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LittleBigMan
10-04-22, 01:51
Soi 6 was fantastic years ago when none of the bars were open air. It was a quiet soi with lots of naughty things going on behind closed doors. It was not a party atmosphere, it was fairly low key like most G clubs are now. Opening up the bars and making it a loud street kind of ruined it for me. And of course back in the day all the bars were individually owned there was no big ownership group. Very different street then.So true! The Thai location or circle behind the ESSO Gas station of Sukhumvit and Soi 8, off Theppassit, is a good comparison to how Soi 6 used to be all gone now. Then Soi 6, many of the buildings weren't full thus low enough for a guy to come in and experiment and that was to revive 6, making it more popular with his business plan like most things were going to improve and improvement takes money and when done want their investment back the sooner the better.
To me what I saw and heard was like a scheme for those coming in at the bottom with him early got successful off those coming in late today those who were late those clubs are barely surviving or gone the main ones original are situated in the middle. Like you, even in the early revival, you had a choice to sit outside or inside more private today it is all open. It is geared toward what I consider the young and rowdy which has never been my thing.
This same mindset is what is fueling the explosion on Soi Pothole, with a group opening places throughout the Buakhao area due to the Pandemic they were able to obtain some favorable rents in the area with deeper pockets and pour money into renovation prime examples are places like High Roller, Beach Club, and they want their return fast, set up contracts for the girls and push those drinks and more drinks it isn't about the fucking any longer that is secondary to these owners.
I had a sideliner during the Pandemic that I might just before everything close down she was a showgirl I pretty much got her through the Pandemic doing her when things started to open up she bounce around the club to club, ended up on Soi Pothole, many customers in the area with W. S. Pretty much still dead came mostly to drink and drink she went home drunk vs. BF every night her Thai husband got pissed so she went back to W. S. Since her old club was opening with new owners and possible more BF instead of drinks LOL, sadly that meant same girl different location W. S. Wants me to pay more. The move was the right one she gets BF nearly every night by Asians.
Some don't like it but " Those were the good old days ".
Soi 6 was fantastic years ago when none of the bars were open air. It was a quiet soi with lots of naughty things going on behind closed doors. It was not a party atmosphere, it was fairly low key like most G clubs are now. Opening up the bars and making it a loud street kind of ruined it for me. And of course back in the day all the bars were individually owned there was no big ownership group. Very different street then.Very true. Even about 10 years ago could start the day with a nice BJ and some action as needed in one of those Soi 6 places. Nowadays action seems to start later in the day and it's just too open air and loud. And overall quality seems to be not that good and you really have to search for the better looking babes.
ElMexicant
10-04-22, 17:05
Way back when we were warned because of COVID the entire mongering scene will change in Pattaya. All these dudes think they were helping chicks create OnlyFans or live streaming were only creating monsters because ether is no incentive for them to fuck anybody. So now the girls play stupid games and the customers are left with winning the stupid prizes. Luckily I have learned to adapt and I suggest the guys do the same if they want to set the market straight.
The other day, went to Soi 6 with another ISGer. Saw about 3 doable girls after walking up and down 3 times. One girl was in a tight dress, slim with fake boobs. Looked like a PR girl. Tried to pull me in. I immediately asked if she can go upstairs. She said come drink. I asked again can she fuck. She then quoted me 3000 (Soi 6 girl). I said no and we walked away. Another girl at another bar was asked first before entering into the bar how much to bang? She rolled her eyes and told me 1500 and 400 for room. I said no and went to the next girl at the bar next door. I said how much and she said 1000 plus 400. I said okay, I will buy you 1 drink and we go up. So me and the other ISGer went in and I stuck with plan. Nothing more, nothing less.
Tired of these drinking games? Then do as I. Asked first, then seal the deal. Tonight it was the same thing. We went to Soi 6 and I saw only 1 girl I was willing to do after walking up and down 3 times. She got my drink and stood there. I asked her, can you go upstairs via app translation. She said something in Thai to the other girl and I can hear the other girl tell her, why not? Then of course they made up the period excuse. So I went to mama behind the bar and asked the mama. Mama looked at her and there was a long discussion (45 seconds) between the two. Then mama said she is on period but rolled her eyes. Then I saw the Nightwish manager look at us and frustrated too. Mama then pointed to another girl there. Too fat for me but 90% of guys would probably like the other girl. I said no thanks. So we just hung out until we saw the girl I wanted to first bang pull in some Koreans. Took them for some drinks and when the Korean try to get upstairs. It was the same. No go. He paid the bill and everybody left. Lucky for me, the experience did not cost me any drinks. I don't play these drinking games. We went to Area 52 bar in Treetown. Saw 2 cute younger girls sitting outside. One tried to pull my arm. I said to her how much to boom boom you. She said I no go only drink. I said go away. I suggest guys follow my lead. Ask can they go upstairs first or can fuck, then buy a drink or do it after the deed is done. It's time to play back or else it starts getting ridiculous with all these hustles. And this goes for GoGo bars or pretty much any venue.
By the way, saw a girl that quoted him 3000 on TF. I told him way back when, that she was actually a BR Coconut Bar girl. He didn't believe. Saw her tonight across the Wave. He still didn't believe and went to get a closer look. It was perfect match and she quoted him 1500. How good am I? I rather to just be that guy who all the girls know and point that all he wants to do is to fuck us and throw us away for the next. No need to play drinking games for me. There are girls still to be got at those rates before COVID. But they just aren't my type and I have a good eye. Viva la Mexico!
Chimpo Chinn
10-04-22, 23:16
Pattaya Bargirl Economics. Assume girls are OK having Boom Boom with big size Norwegian, no hair and smells. Happily pays going Rate is his credibility.
One Norwegian is 3,000 baht. How many drinks is equal to that -. 100 baht commission is 30 drinks. I don't see many girls making BIG money on drinks.
I do see many Girls at PinUps just sitting no drinks, even though Attractive.
Way back when we were warned because of COVID the entire mongering scene will change in Pattaya. All these dudes think they were helping chicks create OnlyFans or live streaming were only creating monsters because ether is no incentive for them to fuck anybody. So now the girls play stupid games and the customers are left with winning the stupid prizes. Luckily I have learned to adapt and I suggest the guys do the same if they want to set the market straight.
The other day, went to Soi 6 with another ISGer. Saw about 3 doable girls after walking up and down 3 times. One girl was in a tight dress, slim with fake boobs. Looked like a PR girl. Tried to pull me in. I immediately asked if she can go upstairs. She said come drink. I asked again can she fuck. She then quoted me 3000 (Soi 6 girl). I said no and we walked away. Another girl at another bar was asked first before entering into the bar how much to bang? She rolled her eyes and told me 1500 and 400 for room. I said no and went to the next girl at the bar next door. I said how much and she said 1000 plus 400. I said okay, I will buy you 1 drink and we go up. So me and the other ISGer went in and I stuck with plan. Nothing more, nothing less.I've made similar posts about punters needing to hold the line and stop paying ridiculous prices for ST in Pattaya and stick to the normal rates. However, I think most guys cave in and pay next to whatever which ultimately screws over themselves and all other punters.
The flip side is I believe world currencies are going to crash and we will be mired in a deep global recession for years, at which point these girls will be begging to boom boom you for 500 baht. I left Pattaya and enjoyed my time there but did not session even half as much as I thought I would as the juice (avg girls) wasn't worth the squeeze (inflated prices). Currently in Hat Yai as I enjoy travelling Thailand, but absolutely no punter scene here. A lot of massage shops with older unattractive workers but I haven't bothered sampling anything.
Explorer8939
10-05-22, 01:52
I occasionally go to the Camel Toe restaurant for a late lunch. Although CT is officially a restaurant, it is really a Gentlemens Club featuring MILFs. The problem for me is that it's often busy. There may be 10 ladies working there, maybe half of them doable, and if there are more than 5 customers, then there aren't any doable ladies available.
I've never seen it quiet there, and it looks like most of the customers are regulars.
But the food isn't bad.
ElMexicant
10-05-22, 04:41
Go into a GoGo Bar with another ISGer. Don't need to name any bars. We have a couple of rounds. Saw some talent. See one that used to work Baccara. No need to name shame her. Was a starlet back then. Gained some weight. Ignored me back then at Baccara when I called her for drinks. Gave me the Big X with her arms on several occasions. Even when I sat with the guys, I would ask them to buy her a drink so she can come over. She also gave them the Big X. Problema much? Anyways, she sat alone drinkless. Thinking about messing with her in her new venue of choice. Naw. I am merciful.
Then saw a very hot bodied model wearing white laced linguini with stockings. Her number is 4 XX. Haha no need to get her in trouble. Probably hottest all naturale bod there. Asked the mamasans if she is fuckable. They tell me no, she only do drinks. Oh well. Saw them drag her to another table with some older Koreans eye fucking her. Tray of tequila were brought out for her. She invited 2 of her friends. Maybe 2000 baht worth of shots. They stayed with them through one rotation. Girls jumped back on stage to shake their groove thing. The Koreans paid the bill and left. One of mamasan was still sitting next to me. She just smiled at me when they walked out. Wonder was this a sign of RESPECT? My wallet was still almost full of cash.
Ask first. Bang second. Drinks last. This should be the new model for punters.
ElMexicant
10-05-22, 04:52
I've made similar posts about punters needing to hold the line and stop paying ridiculous prices for ST in Pattaya and stick to the normal rates. However, I think most guys cave in and pay next to whatever which ultimately screws over themselves and all other punters.
Not just hold the line. Stop playing drinking games with them or else there is no need for them to fuck. With lack of tourists, they are getting money online from different sources. I was told some Indian guy was managing 4 different OnlyFans account for girls at a particular Soi 6 bar. Guys sending money for video streams. So what happens is they is just hustle drinks or at least the prettier ones do.
So new rule of thumb for Soi 6: Treat ALL bars and ALL girls on Soi 6 as if they are like that brothel bar towards the beach with girls sitting outside. Treat all the bars as if they ARE brothels. See a girl you like. Get the rate. Confirm with mamasan and manager if she talks all crazy price like 1500 to 3000. One drink if you and she agree to go up. Bang her. Pay her. And drink more afterwards if you want. It's bad the these Soi 6 girls are now playing drinking games like WS GoGo bar models. Punters need to fight back to stop all this madness. It's Soi 6 for Christ Sake.
Mr Enternational
10-05-22, 05:04
Looked like a PR girl. Tried to pull me in. I immediately asked if she can go upstairs. She said come drink. I asked again can she fuck. She then quoted me 3000 (Soi 6 girl).How many years have I been saying to ask about fucking before you go off buying drinks and that drinks should be used as a reward, not a preward? Guys have sworn it is needed to butter up the hooker. If a chick is a hooker she does not need to be buttered up. It seems many guys are not there to fuck, but receive pleasure and excitement from the attention they get from buying drinks. To each their own. I have a shitload if drink in my room. I go out to find some pussy to go with it.
I met a chick on the back streets of Buakhao. I balked when she gave me a price and thought to myself I would be mad as fuck if this turned out to be a Beach Road chick and I give her this much money. Few days later I saw her right on Beach Road. I think with my big head, fuck what my dick said.
ElMexicant
10-05-22, 06:08
Walked by Soi Boomboomerang. Saw Pink Baby. Tiny little joint. Thought it was a GC. Recognized a girl formerly from Palace. She kept waiving me in. There was another decent girl there too. Asked the wingman to investigate. He asked her how much barfine. She said 700. He then asked how much for lady. I jumped in and said 1000? She yelled No, same Palace! I said 3000? Crazy. Does this look like Palace to you? These girls and management and owners really need to get a better grasp of their business. Or at least get the maps and locations right. Unless they want to constantly fail and close shop. Longer I stay here, the dumber the thinking of the locals get. Their logic is sometimes comical. Adios.
Stinky Squid
10-05-22, 11:27
Guys, I'm coming to Thailand first time as a free man. My favorites activity is BBBJ with CIM and I enjoy overnights because the wee morning hours I want someone right next to me. Going through older lists of BJ bars and searched here. Problem with the older lists is they are old and several BJ bars have closed (e.g., Lolitas, Carre Blanc). My question is, is there an updated BJ bar list considering the post-CoViD reopening of activities? Also, where is the best place for SW activity? Asking because I want to book my hotel really close by, so I can just go out in the early afternoon to the BJ bar, and on my way back pick up someone to take to my room for the night. First week I stay in BKK, and will be at the Nana Hotel for that reason, with the girls out front for maximum simplicity.
Other question: as my (usually better) luck will have it, after dreaming of going to the Eden Club BKK for over a decade, now that I finally get to go, the dude gets himself shot and it all blows up in smoke. But there is an "Eden Club" in Pattaya, is that a similar concept? Knock-off trap? Or also taken down with the dude who blew himself up in the gun fight?
Also, where is the best place for SW activity? Asking because I want to book my hotel really close by, so I can just go out in the early afternoon to the BJ bar, and on my way back pick up someone to take to my room for the night. First week I stay in BKK, and will be at the Nana Hotel for that reason, with the girls out front for maximum simplicity.
Book at Areca Lodge and you will be in the heart of the scene. If fully booked, select some nearby ones, LK chain, a couple in Soi Lengkee, or soi Honey. Read reviews as easy has its own peculiarities, some have no breakfast.
Anyone know of any pregnant or lactating providers in Pattaya? Bucket list thing.
Guys, I'm coming to Thailand first time as a free man. My favorites activity is BBBJ with CIM and I enjoy overnights because the wee morning hours I want someone right next to me. Going through older lists of BJ bars and searched here. Problem with the older lists is they are old and several BJ bars have closed (e.g., Lolitas, Carre Blanc). My question is, is there an updated BJ bar list considering the post-CoViD reopening of activities? Also, where is the best place for SW activity? Asking because I want to book my hotel really close by, so I can just go out in the early afternoon to the BJ bar, and on my way back pick up someone to take to my room for the night. First week I stay in BKK, and will be at the Nana Hotel for that reason, with the girls out front for maximum simplicity.
Other question: as my (usually better) luck will have it, after dreaming of going to the Eden Club BKK for over a decade, now that I finally get to go, the dude gets himself shot and it all blows up in smoke. But there is an "Eden Club" in Pattaya, is that a similar concept? Knock-off trap? Or also taken down with the dude who blew himself up in the gun fight?I had great luck at soi 7/1 BJ bars the wood bar and one right before it were good go towards the end of the soi for best ones. P.S. I like to at Dynasty Grand on soi 6 near soi 4 good action and you can go down soi 6 if you want to bypass the main area.
Guys, I'm coming to Thailand first time as a free man. My favorites activity is BBBJ with CIM and I enjoy overnights because the wee morning hours I want someone right next to me. Going through older lists of BJ bars and searched here. Problem with the older lists is they are old and several BJ bars have closed (e.g., Lolitas, Carre Blanc). My question is, is there an updated BJ bar list considering the post-CoViD reopening of activities? Also, where is the best place for SW activity? Asking because I want to book my hotel really close by, so I can just go out in the early afternoon to the BJ bar, and on my way back pick up someone to take to my room for the night. First week I stay in BKK, and will be at the Nana Hotel for that reason, with the girls out front for maximum simplicity.
Other question: as my (usually better) luck will have it, after dreaming of going to the Eden Club BKK for over a decade, now that I finally get to go, the dude gets himself shot and it all blows up in smoke. But there is an "Eden Club" in Pattaya, is that a similar concept? Knock-off trap? Or also taken down with the dude who blew himself up in the gun fight?Nana hotel parking lot for the most part (been here a month now) dead nothing, zero, haven't seen more then 4 girls at one time, good luck happy hunting bud, oh and also zip lock all your luggage you bring into hotel, if not you will be leaving with lots and lots of roaches in your luggage, been discussed many times, real shame because can be a great hotel otherwise, you think when hit they had plenty of time to clean the dump up!
Guys, I'm coming to Thailand first time as a free man. My favorites activity is BBBJ with CIM and I enjoy overnights because the wee morning hours I want someone right next to me. Going through older lists of BJ bars and searched here. Problem with the older lists is they are old and several BJ bars have closed (e.g., Lolitas, Carre Blanc). My question is, is there an updated BJ bar list considering the post-CoViD reopening of activities? Also, where is the best place for SW activity? Asking because I want to book my hotel really close by, so I can just go out in the early afternoon to the BJ bar, and on my way back pick up someone to take to my room for the night. First week I stay in BKK, and will be at the Nana Hotel for that reason, with the girls out front for maximum simplicity.
Other question: as my (usually better) luck will have it, after dreaming of going to the Eden Club BKK for over a decade, now that I finally get to go, the dude gets himself shot and it all blows up in smoke. But there is an "Eden Club" in Pattaya, is that a similar concept? Knock-off trap? Or also taken down with the dude who blew himself up in the gun fight?Well I have to first apologize for my failed field reports, as I got behind. Hopefully this will help paying it forward my friend. Here is a recommendation: Build your self up to it LOL.
1. Buzzin bar (Tree town) has a Fri and sometimes Mon and Wed Bar crawl. While it is limted to a few bars, some hit and miss and marketing to get folks to their bars, I will say it is good to help find others. AND get a feel for some of the bars, Gent clubs etc. Main goal: Networking! As the landscape keeps changing the ones who live there can give idea on the landscape. I wasn't impressed with Escape personally, but it is new. Rest they take you to I will hold judgment on as I said it changes, one day its great, other days it sucks. Some they pull girls from other bars to fill the lack for the guys they bring in. TIP: IF you have more than one bhat bus taking you guys around (like 20 guys) be on the first and and the end to get first choice!
2. Camel Toe is to please, can get two gals pretty cheap.
3. My Favorite: Blush. Friendly girls, had about half of them in there LOL. Bonus: Ask for Apple and Aom: However they will do 3 or 4 if you are up for it Apple really likes girls. And enjoys. Aom is great service, but not into the two girl thing, but has a great body and will CIM very nicely. Alone she is better, but we all have our favorites.
4. After you have graduated, get on up to Kink (some prefer Windmill better) IMHO Kink is best for show. Service, I wouldn't bother. But the show is worth the stop.
5. Honorable mention is Dolls? On Walking street, couple young 21 yo late in day can be had. There is a "hotel" cheap and clean right down a block on west side they know where.
Enjoy.
Chimpo Chinn
10-06-22, 01:19
Walked by Soi Boomboomerang. Saw Pink Baby. Tiny little joint. Thought it was a GC. Recognized a girl formerly from Palace. She kept waiving me in. There was another decent girl there too. Asked the wingman to investigate. He asked her how much barfine. She said 700. He then asked how much for lady. I jumped in and said 1000? She yelled No, same Palace! I said 3000? Crazy. Does this look like Palace to you? These girls and management and owners really need to get a better grasp of their business. Or at least get the maps and locations right. Unless they want to constantly fail and close shop. Longer I stay here, the dumber the thinking of the locals get. Their logic is sometimes comical. Adios.Can't you go up to 2,000 baht. 1,000 is more Bottom of the Barrel pricing.
Explorer8939
10-06-22, 03:57
How many years have I been saying to ask about fucking before you go off buying drinks and that drinks should be used as a reward, not a preward? Guys have sworn it is needed to butter up the hooker. If a chick is a hooker she does not need to be buttered up. It seems many guys are not there to fuck, but receive pleasure and excitement from the attention they get from buying drinks. To each their own. I have a shitload if drink in my room. I go out to find some pussy to go with it.
I met a chick on the back streets of Buakhao. I balked when she gave me a price and thought to myself I would be mad as fuck if this turned out to be a Beach Road chick and I give her this much money. Few days later I saw her right on Beach Road. I think with my big head, fuck what my dick said.I buy drinks for a bargirl to get a feel of whether she will be any good in the room. Or, if she has no clue what to do in the room, that could be good, too.
Walked by Soi Boomboomerang. Saw Pink Baby. Tiny little joint. Thought it was a GC. Recognized a girl formerly from Palace. She kept waiving me in. There was another decent girl there too. Asked the wingman to investigate. He asked her how much barfine. She said 700. He then asked how much for lady. I jumped in and said 1000? She yelled No, same Palace! I said 3000? Crazy. Does this look like Palace to you? These girls and management and owners really need to get a better grasp of their business. Or at least get the maps and locations right. Unless they want to constantly fail and close shop. Longer I stay here, the dumber the thinking of the locals get. Their logic is sometimes comical. Adios.I was at Pink Baby a few times in August. Barfine was B700 and the girls charged B1000. I think your girl said B3000 because she knew you from Walking Street.
ElMexicant
10-06-22, 07:41
Can't you go up to 2,000 baht. 1,000 is more Bottom of the Barrel pricing.I somewhat get what you are saying. But at the same time like Chris Tucker told Jackie Chan, I do not understand the words that are coming out of your mouth. Girl in question wanted 3000 (no barfine) plus 700 room plus 2 drinks. With your drink, total cost is over 4500 for 1 hour short time for Pink Baby girl. A GoGo bar the size of my bathroom. It's smaller than Dolls Soi 6 back when it was open. So what is this 2000 versus 1000 bottom of barrel thing?
Simple Reaganomics.
You pay 3000 for a short time room, girl is free, no charge. What is pricing for her pussy?
You pay 1000 barfine, girl 2000. What is pricing for her punani?
You pay 3000 for girl to come to your room. What is pricing for pinoche?
Now imagine this is all the SAME girl with the SAME coochie, but working different business models. Get the gist?
I will say it ONE last time. The correct price to pay for very decent to quality pussy is 1500-2000 for 1 hour. I've gotten that pricing all during COVID with high quality GOGO bar girls, soapies girls, higher end Soi 6 girls, non pro freelancers and Fiwfans girls. I know it's no longer COVID, but it's stupid for me to pay retarded extra baht just so their business can thrive and foreign managers pay off their debt to the Thai mafia. Go sell your kidney or eyeball. Fuck their economy. Fuck being able to pee normal. Fuck vision. Wear an eyepatch. I just want some ass.
Three girls below. Play gamer. 450 and 1340.
Girl #1. Wrath Soi 6 girl (center girl) who managed to pull in a group of Japanese. My buddy saw them ask her something. Words were exchanged and they all walked out of the bar. He said she refused to bang. I needed to check. I had a 1500 budget in mind. So I called her over. Not too pretty. I've had better. But oh well in charity mood. Body was very decent. Asked her age. 19. Ask can you fuck upstairs? She said I no boom boom. Damn girl. Fuck playing Connect 4. Fuck the stupid wooden JACKPOT box. Who the hell invented that shit anyways? And fuck your drinking games. Get your ass back on the street and work. My message is finally getting across and guys need too play back. Ask first. Drink later.
Girl #2. Former Palace girl #128 left, (now at Pink Baby which says #1 GoGo bar in Pattaya on their Facebook, pshhh yeah right.) and who I "already" banged during COVID for a flat 1500 in my room, but now wants more. Her total pricing at Pink Baby is 4500 for 1 hour. Chicas locas for sure. That's why your asses are still sitting outside getting bit by Dengue Fever mosquitos during rainy season.
Girl #3. Girl in black bikini. Former Bachelor Club Agogo girl for ST with CIM, delivered to my room, for 1300 total. Did such a good eating my baby swimmers, I gave her something else to eat and got her a Thai egg omelet on the street with rice for 40 baht. He will give you a small shot glass to fill with all the fixings you want for your omelet. Avoid the hot dogs. Get as much of free chopped cucumbers as possible. Dinner was served, all for 1340 baht. Well within my 1500 budget. How far did I go down the barrel?
Three roads diverged in a yellow wood.
And sorry that I cannot travel all three.
Being the lone traveler, I stood.
I took the one less traveled by.
And that has made all the difference.
So please tell me. Did I suffer in quality any by not "giving into the man" and overspend? Or do I know exactly what the fuck I am doing. I am not a tourist. I am not a retired expat. I am not a weekend millionaire. I am not a Cheap Charlie. Just like before the Sicario killed the entire Mexican cartel leader's family first, at their own dinner table, while having dinner, and then shot him dead. "Nothing personal. It's just business. I am a professional".
Explorer8939
10-06-22, 09:18
It's 3 pm, and I had a lady come this morning for a quick fuck, and then 2 ladies at 1 pm for some drinks. The ladies were downing shots of tequila until about 2.30 pm when they decided to pull the trigger, they got naked and then had their way with me in the bedroom, trying to get me to cum quickly. I managed to have them switch off once, but the sight of 2 naked ladies forced me to cum, which made them very happy.
One more lady is coming tonight, but I have a few hours to recover.
JasonSilva
10-06-22, 16:37
India's GDP per capita is $1850/ person. It ranks 144th out of 194 economies. I travel to Bangalore, Pune, and Chennai 4-8 x per year. I hire 100's freshers out of the tech schools at 4. 4 Lakh / year, the the median wage+allowances at my ODC's (2600 people) is 16 Lakh / year. India has a very small bourgeoise, compared to a huge proletariat.
When I go to Pattaya I totally understand the behavior of the Indian mongers. If I am paying the median tech worker 375 Baht / hour that 2000 Baht spent at a Soi 6 bar is a 1/2 days pay. 1/2 day of my pay I can BF 2/3 of ladies in the bar + drinks.
This is not meant to be a cut on India, or on Indians. I work with scores of hardworking, dedicated Indians every day, and I my bonus is dependant on them. It is just the observed data points I have.India's per capita is $2300 unless you are living in 2016. Check Google for 2022 stats. India PPP is $7000 in 2022. In next 7 years, these numbers will be doubled. India's number get skewed because the lower 50% is in its own world. Lot of them are not even part of the system / grid.
I don't know who you are and I am not here to argue on the numbers. India is a country of diversity and we all can pick up our stats. I know plenty of Indian tech workers in mid 30's in Bangalore, Mumbai, NCR making $200 k / year. If you adjust by big Mac index, that will be $500 k to $800 k USD per year.
I have said this many times. Pattaya need Indian mongers to survive.
Tvataham274
10-06-22, 16:39
I have two months until my trip, so I'm starting to get an inventory together of what I need to bring.
Silly question, but would it be appropriate to wear an undershirt as well as just a regular T-shirt? Never went without an undershirt (and wouldn't want to just wear that) and I don't really want to get my colored stuff stained with sweat if it gets super hot.
ElMexicant
10-06-22, 18:10
I was at Pink Baby a few times in August. Barfine was B700 and the girls charged B1000. I think your girl said B3000 because she knew you from Walking Street.Beech! WTF?
I have two months until my trip, so I'm starting to get an inventory together of what I need to bring.
Silly question, but would it be appropriate to wear an undershirt as well as just a regular T-shirt? Never went without an undershirt (and wouldn't want to just wear that) and I don't really want to get my colored stuff stained with sweat if it gets super hot.There will be so many people from all over the world dressed in so many different ways that a man wearing two t-shirts will not stand out. That is until you pass out from heat exhaustion. Lots of cheap t-shirts for sale, just buy some of them so you don't worry about staining them. Remember the older you get the less you can handle the heat. Stay cool and stay hydrated.
I buy drinks for a bargirl to get a feel of whether she will be any good in the room. Or, if she has no clue what to do in the room, that could be good, too.She could be the filthiest hoe on the planet but that's irrelevant if she is only slinging drinks that night.
For the guy to have fun, she has to be prepared to leave first, regardless of how good she is or her attitude.
I would buy drinks for bargirls bc I like sitting in a bar groping a woman a bit. I really liked the dice games and the drop game thing. $20 USD and a fun couple hours then fuck the girl later if I wanted.
I buy drinks for a bargirl to get a feel of whether she will be any good in the room. Or, if she has no clue what to do in the room, that could be good, too.
GentileBear
10-06-22, 22:07
Not going to lie. I also like that Jimba drop the blocks game. Much more gentle touch needed than connect 4. Also. Being older and only able to Nut once or twice a day. It is relaxing.
I would buy drinks for bargirls bc I like sitting in a bar groping a woman a bit. I really liked the dice games and the drop game thing. $20 USD and a fun couple hours then fuck the girl later if I wanted.
I buy drinks for a bargirl to get a feel of whether she will be any good in the room. Or, if she has no clue what to do in the room, that could be good, too.
Explorer8939
10-07-22, 00:47
Odd story: I posted on Facebook a photo of my bed, along with the explanation that I am raising the bed by 100 millimeters because Thai ladies have short legs (so I can't do Doggie if my feet are on the floor). A couple of hours later, I got a message from a lady who was waiting outside. She wanted to try the bed.
The explanation is that the lady had had a good customer a couple of days ago, a young Farang with money, but he had ghosted her. She had taken the day off because he had promised a barfine, but he was a no show. So, she literally had nothing to do.
Meanwhile, I had already secured a lady for the night.
And the bed hasn't been raised yet, I just got the wood yesterday.
Just returned from a 4-week trip to Thailand. Three weeks in Pattaya and a week in Bangkok. Stayed a week at the Hard Rock Hotel in Pattaya while the Pattaya Music Festival was going on across the street at the beach. Great location and the hotel reminds me of a Vegas style or Cabo style hotel. A good place for families. I didn't bring any guests over that week so I can't comment on their guest-friendly attitudes. But overall the staff and accommodations were excellent. But the price was a bit more than I would usually pay in Thailand. I then moved over to the LK President Hotel over on Third Road at the end of Soi Pothole and Soi Lengkee. I stayed here for two full weeks. While this hotel was not as up-to-date as the Hard Rock, I was able to get a large one-bedroom suite with a full kitchen and separate dining / living room. Both areas with separate balconies with stunning views. Having the ability to cook meals or even heat up leftovers was a great benefit. And the view from 20 stories up was great. The bathroom had both a shower AND a huge tub for two. And being right around the corner from Soi Pothole made for easy walk to hotel with a lady. And the large room was perfect for having a guest. No hassles from desk. I enjoyed The Den and a few other establishments nearby the LK President. The management and staff at the Den made me feel particularly welcome on multiple visits. I also explored Tree Town and LK Metro areas. And then there was Bangkok. Bangkok was definitely different from Pattaya. Stayed near Nana and enjoyed some of what was offered there. Enjoyed listening to music and buying a few lady drinks at the Stumble Inn. Met a nice lady there that shared two nights with me. Very low hassle and enjoyable. Would visit all these places again.
JoeyFeliney
10-07-22, 02:35
Is there a Gogo bar where there are large fans in the floor that activate randomly be (or better still customers getting to press a button blowing up skirts, showing if they have undies or not and cueing the surprised or not so ENF ladies trying to cover all 'embarrassed' or not and just getting the cooling ventilation. Remember hearing about this fun novelty somewhere.
ElMexicant
10-07-22, 16:27
I was at Pink Baby a few times in August. Barfine was B700 and the girls charged B1000. I think your girl said B3000 because she knew you from Walking Street.Okay, so me and another guy did one more walk through to Pink Baby at Soi Boomerang (across from Playgirlz) again tonight. We were told the same thing again. It's 3000 for the girl and 700 for the room. Maybe it's just us. Even the mamasan told pointed at SLUTZ next door and told us that's where you will find 1000 baht girls. Do you think their business model changed since August? I am wondering were they a GC back then and now rebranded to a GoGo bar of sorts? Can anybody else on the ground in Pattaya can do a recon on Pink Baby and find out their pricing for barfine, rooms, and for girls ST? Also, there was one girl hanging out in front of Screamers that told us, she doesn't even bang. What the hell is going on here in Soi Boomerang? Maybe we are backlisted. As I was walking away in disappointment, all I can hear in my head was Rod Stewart mocking me.
Seems so unfair when there's love everywhere but there's none for me.
Somchai have all the luck.
Some guys have all the pain.
Somchai get all the breaks.
Some guys do nothing but complain.
Woo woo woo.
Woo woo woo.
Chimpo Chinn
10-08-22, 00:04
Okay, so me and another guy did one more walk through to Pink Baby at Soi Boomerang (across from Playgirlz) again tonight. We were told the same thing again. It's 3000 for the girl and 700 for the room. Maybe it's just us. Even the mamasan told pointed at SLUTZ next door and told us that's where you will find 1000 baht girls. Do you think their business model changed since August? I am wondering were they a GC back then and now rebranded to a GoGo bar of sorts? Can anybody else on the ground in Pattaya can do a recon on Pink Baby and find out their pricing for barfine, rooms, and for girls ST? Also, there was one girl hanging out in front of Screamers that told us, she doesn't even bang. What the hell is going on here in Soi Boomerang? Maybe we are backlisted. As I was walking away in disappointment, all I can hear in my head was Rod Stewart mocking me.
Seems so unfair when there's love everywhere but there's none for me.
Somchai have all the luck.
Some guys have all the pain.
Somchai get all the breaks.
Some guys do nothing but complain.
Woo woo woo.
Woo woo woo.Can you post a Photo.
You do seem to engage in a Bit if Drama.
Example. The Japanese group you referred to. Upon learning negative news Girls don't Boom Boom they left. You an your Buddy needed to get involved and do Drama. No offense Bro.
ElMexicant
10-08-22, 03:44
Can you post a Photo.
You do seem to engage in a Bit if Drama.
Example. The Japanese group you referred to. Upon learning negative news Girls don't Boom Boom they left. You an your Buddy needed to get involved and do Drama. No offense Bro.When you are famous in Pattaya like we three kings are, drama comes naturally. Photos have been posted previously. Charlie Brown's teacher says 'Wah wah woh wah wah!' She means "Pay attention!" Some may need to keep up or try harder and overcome whatever their learning disability. Otherwise Pink Baby Facebook is active. Do a pic match. Won't tolerate laziness on here. Those chubby fingers need to exercise. Clicking that mouse. And don't worry too much about offense bro. Nunya is ever taken Chumpo.
Massages?
If you walk down Sois, like Soi Pothole even along Soi Buakhao from Pattaya Klang to Pattaya Tai main road majority will be a Happy ending. That percentage will drop with the ones wearing the uniforms. Let me get this out of the way since beauty and looks are subjective I'm not going to even touch on it!
Shops on Beach Road are all on the Left side, wrapped around Walking St. Towards Pattaya Tai right side past the Bamboo bar, all along 2nd Road both sides ALL WEARING uniforms the % will drop with Happy Ending. I've seen some very good-looking ones in my eyes with the uniforms it is like a box of chocolate you never know what you are going to get. I don't do the Thai Friendly stuff, massages are my thing today it is like a game I ask for a foot massage conversation always starts up where you are from, etc. Etc. If the conversation leads to oil, you are heading to 1st, based? If they don't provide an outfit or pants, ask you to shower come back you just laid naked you are on 1st.
Uniform girls usually want a bit more they want you to think this isn't what they do normally you special handsome man etc, in the end, it takes a bit of work I've ended up with some pretty good regulars that rather see you on the side because they don't want the other girls to know. Having a regular gives off the impression especially if you are doing oil that girl provides something they shouldn't /.
On Soi Triangle, if looks aren't a killer, you don't mind average or old that takes care of their bodies and want performance plenty available. On Soi Buakhao, there are two V. I. P. Massage girls better looking in my opinion half of them will provide extra not the same price as Honey or Pothole or places with no uniforms.
A bit more expensive on Soi Buakhao next to Cheap Charlie after months I finally pulled the trigger with the place next door the name is supposed to be Aroma but unless my eyes are bad I didn't actually see the name on the door also closes early. But there are at less a half dozen girls IMHO can top girls at any GoGo I've ever been to including Pin-UP, particularly one face all the way to her toes. They like to push two hand massages of 300 oil each if lucky you come away with 1500 baht. I knew for some time if I pull the trigger it was not going to be the best one of those " paying your dues and got to see and experience it myself ".
I did my usual be. S. Pick one and said I live here if it is good I will be back next time to try two or even three sets of hands.
I've had better much better but 22 years old, and what a body especially the giants natural tits I got teased got my tongue, and dined at her heavenly gates but as for the F. S. I've had better from some older ones who not only give you a decent massage but like to do F. S. Someone like LBM got to do the dirty work.
Across, from Cheap Charlie, is another place, a cute girl with short hair does both, the famous be. J. Artist Juney from her shop on Soi Pothole now closed Juney is buying her time working there waiting for the right man to sweep her off her feet?
When it comes to Massage places there are milions of options just millions. Walk along Soi 13/1 Soi Post Office there are at least a dozen places with Uniforms or None! Good luck!Thanks for the clues mate. I've actually walked past those 2 ones mentioned on soi bukhao by cheap charlies multiple times and never pulled the trigger. I'm actually an affeciando for paizuri, but I've found it nearly impossible to find a girl with big enough boobs who can both pull it off and is working in the right environment to get that type of massage. Any tips on where the heavy chested paizuri ladies that aren't complete porker fat old women?
LittleBigMan
10-08-22, 14:33
Thanks for the clues mate. I've actually walked past those 2 ones mentioned on soi bukhao by cheap charlies multiple times and never pulled the trigger. I'm actually an affeciando for paizuri, but I've found it nearly impossible to find a girl with big enough boobs who can both pull it off and is working in the right environment to get that type of massage. Any tips on where the heavy chested paizuri ladies that aren't complete porker fat old women?Personally I think Aroma is the place for you when it comes to big tits I've seen at least 4 there not old, I was there last week there was one not fat I say thick or a bit stocky largest tits I've ever seen on a massage girl. The others not sure they are padded even before I read a few reports it to be a rip off guys coming out quick?
I eat regularly there sit out facing girls watching if you can get round table facing them. Good luck, June across the road has bolt on nice fit body dark skin does a oil on your back with he tits once she was voted best BJ so I try I came away I had better I though Amon next door was better over all since she does backdoor, but she isn't working on her back any longer. Talking about her if you walk down Soi Pothole towards 3rd Rd, she has opened two new balls next to the Den GC, she knows her business got some girls.
Odd story: I posted on Facebook a photo of my bed, along with the explanation that I am raising the bed by 100 millimeters because Thai ladies have short legs (so I can't do Doggie if my feet are on the floor)......I have had that experience with short ladies and low beds. What I do in a situation where I can't raise the bed (eg. Brothel) is to place a pillow under the girl's knees. Sometimes even that is still too low so I have to place my knees at the edge of the bed and bang. Not very comfortable but gets the job done most times.
Explorer8939
10-09-22, 00:52
I have had that experience with short ladies and low beds. What I do in a situation where I can't raise the bed (eg. Brothel) is to place a pillow under the girl's knees. Sometimes even that is still too low so I have to place my knees at the edge of the bed and bang. Not very comfortable but gets the job done most times.I had some 2 x4's delivered to my condo, and am spending the day in carpenter mode.
If I am going to bang ladies I want to be comfortable with my feet on the floor. Plus, raising the bed creates storage space underneath.
Most Thai ladies are fairly short, and in Doggie, their pussies point too low for me. They can hold their asses higher, until they get tired, and then they droop.
Explorer8939
10-09-22, 01:00
I went into Club Fate the other day, and a lady I know presented me with another lady who (she claimed) came to see me in my condo a couple of weeks ago. I had no recollection of her. Maybe I am drinking too much.
Yesterday, I had plans to barfine a lady in Maggie Mays at 17.00. I told her I would show up and barfine her for the night. I actually showed up a little early, just in time to see her walk out the door with another customer. Oops. I should have paid her barfine the day before, to make a reservation. No problem, I had backup ladies.
Also yesterday, I had a lady at my condo in bed, she was giving me a BJ, and I considered fucking her, but the idea of a BBBJCIM was just too enticing, so I let her continue. She took it like a trooper.
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India's per capita is $2300 unless you are living in 2016. Check Google for 2022 stats. India PPP is $7000 in 2022. In next 7 years, these numbers will be doubled. India's number get skewed because the lower 50% is in its own world. Lot of them are not even part of the system / grid.
I don't know who you are and I am not here to argue on the numbers. India is a country of diversity and we all can pick up our stats. I know plenty of Indian tech workers in mid 30's in Bangalore, Mumbai, NCR making $200 k / year. If you adjust by big Mac index, that will be $500 k to $800 k USD per year.
I have said this many times. Pattaya need Indian mongers to survive.An Indian tech worker making $200 K US is in the top 0. 1% of tech workers, is most likely a director level or higher, and they don't slum it in Pattaya. Even at $2300 it raises the country rank to 142nd (nominal) and 125th (PPP). The Indian grande and haute bourgeoise probably shouldn't take the proletariat / plebeians for granted, historically such extreme structural income inequality does not work out well for a society's bourgeoise / patrician class in the long run.
I have worked with TCS, Wipro, Cap Gemini, and many smaller labor providers for close to 20 years. Any US / EU firm who knows has any clue is not paying median contractor rates of over $32/ hour for Indian outsourced tech labor, TCS / Wipro / Cap Gemini / etc have min gross margin requirements of 42-52%, which means that all in labor costs of the median IT contractor is around $12-17/ hour.
Given the amount of Indian mongers that seem to be on the street. I don't see any type of proportional representation in the Go-Go's, Soapies, or even the Soi 6 bars. Given my anecdotal observations and conversations with working ladies, the Indian mongers spend very little $$. Using your "Big Mac" index, spending 5 K Baht in a Go-Go (Barfine's included) for a ST is the equivalent of $350-$550 in PPP.
Perhaps you are correct, Pattaya might need Indian mongers to survive, but they better start spending like ANZAC / EU / Korea / Japan or Pattaya is in a for a world of hurt.
Banana Boi
10-09-22, 11:38
Next time I mention I am coming to Thailand early October someone please slap me so I can stay in another country another 2 weeks instead. Tomorrow is an alcohol free day meaning all bars shut down at midnight tonight then don't reopen until Tuesday. That means Walking Street and LK Metro gogo bars will not open tonight or tomorrow. Then in a few days from now all bars will be shut again for 1 to 2 days for the King's death. Be smart and book your arrival post the King's death holiday.
To couple it off for the few things that may be open tonight it was heavy rain all afternoon and Soi Diana is completely flooded. At this point I'm just hoping to be able to go buy a good dinner to save the day.
Hey people. I'm a long-time visitor of this forum though probably posting for the first time!
I and my girlfriend will be visiting Pattaya in November. I have visited Pattaya in past years but this will be the first time with a female partner.
She's the adventurer type and doesn't mind adult entertainment so I have the following questions:
1. Are there any Adult Entertainment venues (nude clubs, dances, sex shows etc) that are welcomed towards couples and safe for girls? Just like we have Sauna clubs and FKK clubs in Germany and Sex shows in Amsterdam, any similar thing in Pattaya? In short, any adult place where we can go and she won't be judged.
2. On a similar note as above, massage parlors too where a couple can go and get a proper massage. My guess is, it should be a proper professional massage parlor without the "extra services" otherwise the ones with the extra services would have guys ogling and drooling over any lady customer. Any particular Area or SOI for such parlors?
3. Finally, she is also considering to include a third wheelie during our adventures (Threesome to be precise) - both the females and males. Though females are fine, Her type in the boys is the cute, little girlish ones (She hates the manly bulls, sorry guys!) to which I believe, the ladyboys of Pattaya would perfectly fit. I personally haven't invited any ladyboy to the hotel in my solo trips earlier but I've heard that they might be rowdy, pushy, or even criminals. Any suggestions to try that out safely and smoothly and select the right type of ladyboys?
Chimpo Chinn
10-09-22, 14:30
Next time I mention I am coming to Thailand early October someone please slap me so I can stay in another country another 2 weeks instead. Tomorrow is an alcohol free day meaning all bars shut down at midnight tonight then don't reopen until Tuesday. That means Walking Street and LK Metro gogo bars will not open tonight or tomorrow. Then in a few days from now all bars will be shut again for 1 to 2 days for the King's death. Be smart and book your arrival post the King's death holiday.
To couple it off for the few things that may be open tonight it was heavy rain all afternoon and Soi Diana is completely flooded. At this point I'm just hoping to be able to go buy a good dinner to save the day.Nana Plaza is open Sunday night. Due to heavy rains not expecting many girls.
I'm Freaking addicted to Nana Plaza. Nothing detrimental, I just like it.
Soi Cowboy looked close but not sure.
Banana Boi
10-09-22, 18:53
Then in a few days from now all bars will be shut again for 1 to 2 days for the King's death. Be smart and book your arrival post the King's death holiday.My rant is for naught. Clarified with a couple of different Soi 6 girls today that bars remain open October 13 and 14.
My rant is for naught. Clarified with a couple of different Soi 6 girls today that bars remain open October 13 and 14.Excellent news. I arrive on the 12th.
Hey people. I'm a long-time visitor of this forum though probably posting for the first time!
I and my girlfriend will be visiting Pattaya in November. I have visited Pattaya in past years but this will be the first time with a female partner.
She's the adventurer type and doesn't mind adult entertainment so I have the following questions:
1. Are there any Adult Entertainment venues (nude clubs, dances, sex shows etc) that are welcomed towards couples and safe for girls? Just like we have Sauna clubs and FKK clubs in Germany and Sex shows in Amsterdam, any similar thing in Pattaya? In short, any adult place where we can go and she won't be judged.
2. On a similar note as above, massage parlors too where a couple can go and get a proper massage. My guess is, it should be a proper professional massage parlor without the "extra services" otherwise the ones with the extra services would have guys ogling and drooling over any lady customer. Any particular Area or SOI for such parlors?
3. Finally, she is also considering to include a third wheelie during our adventures (Threesome to be precise) - both the females and males. Though females are fine, Her type in the boys is the cute, little girlish ones (She hates the manly bulls, sorry guys!) to which I believe, the ladyboys of Pattaya would perfectly fit. I personally haven't invited any ladyboy to the hotel in my solo trips earlier but I've heard that they might be rowdy, pushy, or even criminals. Any suggestions to try that out safely and smoothly and select the right type of ladyboys?1. I haven't heard, but I have seen some couples in Dollhouse on Walking street. Some clubs can be a hit or miss. And preferences differ.
2. VIP Health Massage 316,64 Soi Buakhao I think you could get a couples massage, Couple gals give decent massages, and most he. One cute one does house calls. IF you want one of the best in the area, a hidden gym, (absolutely no he) and setup for 1 at a time, there is a 50's yo gal on lover level of Central Pattaya Mall, toward back just before charm dealer across from DIY store. Amazing massage for cheap. She used to work at a resort.
3. Blush Gentleman's club, ask for Apple. She is cute, wears glasses, and is very female leaning bi. She definitely enjoys it.
Christian G
10-09-22, 20:12
Hey people. I'm a long-time visitor of this forum though probably posting for the first time!
I and my girlfriend will be visiting Pattaya in November. I have visited Pattaya in past years but this will be the first time with a female partner.
She's the adventurer type and doesn't mind adult entertainment so I have the following questions:
1. Are there any Adult Entertainment venues (nude clubs, dances, sex shows etc) that are welcomed towards couples and safe for girls? Just like we have Sauna clubs and FKK clubs in Germany and Sex shows in Amsterdam, any similar thing in Pattaya? In short, any adult place where we can go and she won't be judged.
2. On a similar note as above, massage parlors too where a couple can go and get a proper massage. My guess is, it should be a proper professional massage parlor without the "extra services" otherwise the ones with the extra services would have guys ogling and drooling over any lady customer. Any particular Area or SOI for such parlors?
3. Finally, she is also considering to include a third wheelie during our adventures (Threesome to be precise) - both the females and males. Though females are fine, Her type in the boys is the cute, little girlish ones (She hates the manly bulls, sorry guys!) to which I believe, the ladyboys of Pattaya would perfectly fit. I personally haven't invited any ladyboy to the hotel in my solo trips earlier but I've heard that they might be rowdy, pushy, or even criminals. Any suggestions to try that out safely and smoothly and select the right type of ladyboys?Go to any bars, gogo, G. Clubs, massage shops, soi 6, Ladyboy bars, etc with your wife without worry. Relax, enjoy your time and talk with girls / ladyboys and tell them what you are looking for, they will find for you. Not easy to find ladyboy that can fuck girls. Anyway girls and ladyboys who work in Pattaya have heard every perversion from their customers, so not be shy because they arent.
I think the only place you can avoid with your girl is the bodymassage, but maybe I'm wrong about this.
Been back from but on the back foot at work catching up.
Time to give back to the forums.
Girls: Had about 5 sureshots off TF I intended to meet, and about 5 backup ones.
First night I would arrive quite late, so had organised for one of the TF ones to meet me in Town 11 ish at night. And she did. Sadly. She was on her periods! (hadn't told me till we met). Knew that was a dead duck for the trip so cut short the meeting. Anyway got in touch with TF 2 and she was in the hotel by 1 am and we had fun.
Next day I was randomly in the central mall, top floor near games (yes I can't resist), saw this milfy big boobed mid 30's who had just won some teddy with her 10 yr old kid. An I even hugged her in their moment of victory celebration. I went on to waste my "allowances" on games like a early teen and she was still hovering around the area. On way out I offered her a drink and she quickly obliged. Walked down to a bar on beach road and in 90 min we were in my room having fun. What an amazing body and boobs!! Said she was from some other town here on holiday with the daughter. Gave her 1500 as a gift. Managed to do her once again, but there were other options as well.
The rest of trip was simple. Invited a TF girl I've seen and videod with for an early afternoon romp. But in 6 nights, one girl made it 3 times. A cute playful one, could been a model. Manages condos for a living and lingers on TF for sex as and when needed as she is single and prefers to remain so. Apparently not into it for money, but still a 1500ST (which was a 2-3 hour 2 shot session).
In the evenings, there was plenty of info off the forums here to utilize and I did. Thanks to all contributors.
All the mentioned Sois, beach road, walking street: plenty of action to be found, variety of choices in sizes and shapes. Part of the fun of spending an hour or two hunting. Did only one Agogo but plenty of bars. I will add I found some of the girls in the clubs preetier and a little more "upmarket: but had quotes as high as 5000 for ST (she was from uzbekistan. Told her I only want Thai pussy)! Of note some of these clubs were very high density Indian men with Indian music. The live band ones were a better place to sit and drink and scope I think. On the streets it was average 1000 and the more younger sexier ones were at 1500. Only once I paid 2000 to one but she was just damn bloody hot and I just had to nail her and did so.
So with 2 sessions a day, plenty of cheap massages daily and foods I'm still not completed my list on, pattaya delivered given it was my first visit. I had read about others reports who have reported an overall reduction in quality here, so I wonder how good it was on its peak! Definitely coming back here, and for longer! ID say there was good value for money in all things!
Except the weather,it was kinda crap with the intermittent rain. Only complain on this trip. Can't wait to come back!
Great reports info and contributions from the members here, a great forum compared to some of the others I've used for other countries. Big applause to all!
Mr Enternational
10-09-22, 22:49
Not easy to find ladyboy that can fuck girls. Anyway girls and ladyboys who work in Pattaya have heard every perversion.I heard a lot of them are only gae for pay, so it may be easier than you think.
Shukracharya
10-10-22, 00:16
I can't tell you about the places but I can tell you for a fact your relationship isn't going to last long via getting so bold and adventurous with your partner.
If you are going to have a third wheel make sure it's a female only. Hold your frame bro before it's too late. But I'm called old fashioned in my of thinking so I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here but my experience tells me women prefer guys who hold onto their masculine frame and lead. So get a female third wheel don't get kuked on purpose in front of her. She will keep doing that to you again and again then if you let it happen once.
Hey people. I'm a long-time visitor of this forum though probably posting for the first time!
I and my girlfriend will be visiting Pattaya in November. I have visited Pattaya in past years but this will be the first time with a female partner.
She's the adventurer type and doesn't mind adult entertainment so I have the following questions:
1. Are there any Adult Entertainment venues (nude clubs, dances, sex shows etc) that are welcomed towards couples and safe for girls? Just like we have Sauna clubs and FKK clubs in Germany and Sex shows in Amsterdam, any similar thing in Pattaya? In short, any adult place where we can go and she won't be judged.
2. On a similar note as above, massage parlors too where a couple can go and get a proper massage. My guess is, it should be a proper professional massage parlor without the "extra services" otherwise the ones with the extra services would have guys ogling and drooling over any lady customer. Any particular Area or SOI for such parlors?
3. Finally, she is also considering to include a third wheelie during our adventures (Threesome to be precise) - both the females and males. Though females are fine, Her type in the boys is the cute, little girlish ones (She hates the manly bulls, sorry guys!) to which I believe, the ladyboys of Pattaya would perfectly fit. I personally haven't invited any ladyboy to the hotel in my solo trips earlier but I've heard that they might be rowdy, pushy, or even criminals. Any suggestions to try that out safely and smoothly and select the right type of ladyboys?
Shukracharya
10-10-22, 00:26
Bro cab drivers and even low level govt employees from India are mongering in Thailand. I know a few who do that myself. Earlier, say 10-15 years ago only the rich businessmen or guys in well to do corporate jobs had the cash to go monger in Thailand but these days it's just about anyone from India who can go to Thailand for a weekend and monger. Even jobless Indian students end up there mongering.
Indian govt has been printing money at the same pace as USA and they sell garbage it services and sub standard products world over because govts in the west decided to kuk themselves & their populations. Wef and the rich want some one world BS and intermix all populations to create super serf race that is easily controlled.
If the west does not change course and limit the trends of globalisation all of India will soon be in the west mongering on western women. I find western women in Indian charging 1000 -2000 usd for a Short time meet and getting plenty of customers because Indian dudes are desperate & crazy over white skin.
An Indian tech worker making $200 K US is in the top 0. 1% of tech workers, is most likely a director level or higher, and they don't slum it in Pattaya. Even at $2300 it raises the country rank to 142nd (nominal) and 125th (PPP). The Indian grande and haute bourgeoise probably shouldn't take the proletariat / plebeians for granted, historically such extreme structural income inequality does not work out well for a society's bourgeoise / patrician class in the long run.
I have worked with TCS, Wipro, Cap Gemini, and many smaller labor providers for close to 20 years. Any US / EU firm who knows has any clue is not paying median contractor rates of over $32/ hour for Indian outsourced tech labor, TCS / Wipro / Cap Gemini / etc have min gross margin requirements of 42-52%, which means that all in labor costs of the median IT contractor is around $12-17/ hour.
Given the amount of Indian mongers that seem to be on the street. I don't see any type of proportional representation in the Go-Go's, Soapies, or even the Soi 6 bars. Given my anecdotal observations and conversations with working ladies, the Indian mongers spend very little $$. Using your "Big Mac" index, spending 5 K Baht in a Go-Go (Barfine's included) for a ST is the equivalent of $350-$550 in PPP.
Perhaps you are correct, Pattaya might need Indian mongers to survive, but they better start spending like ANZAC / EU / Korea / Japan or Pattaya is in a for a world of hurt.
....Most Thai ladies are fairly short, and in Doggie, their pussies point too low for me. They can hold their asses higher, until they get tired, and then they droop.They gotta place their shoulders on the bed with their asses pointing upwards like a horizontal number 7 then they can be relaxed while you have easier access.
My rant is for naught. Clarified with a couple of different Soi 6 girls today that bars remain open October 13 and 14.That's correct. Anniversary of Kings passing have never been alcohol ban days.
Explorer8939
10-10-22, 02:20
Today is Buddhist Lent, so the bars are closed.
It's actually a bit of an intelligence test for the ladies. The smart ones secured a "date" for today with a customer long ago. The stupid ones waited until the bars physically closed at midnight to frantically try to line up a customer.
It's a great day for me, I have the ladies stacked up like airplanes at a busy airport. The first showed up right after the bars closed last night, more are coming all day.
ElMexicant
10-10-22, 03:18
Bored at Passion with some buds. Asked an acceptable looking new girl. Quoted 1500 plus 400. No thanks. My buddy asked Kelaya 66 girl. I don't barfine she days. Just drink. Saturday night was the latest I've ever stayed at Soi 6. Normally by 8:30 or so I am at WS. It was dark and made it harder to see the girls on the Soi standing outside. But amongst those neon lights, I did plenty of Indians being hurled inside the bars drinking away. One bar had like 15 of them with some Bollywood music jamming. The new target group for Soi 6 drinking games. No wonder some of the girls won't go up or charge ridiculous prices. They don't need to. Been to Soi 6 for close to 11 years. Never has it been like this. "Only drink". Oh well, back to ThaiFriendly. Under 26, no baby, under 45 kg and flat stomach is getting harder and harder to find. But that's why they call them gems.
Bro cab drivers and even low level govt employees from India are mongering in Thailand. I know a few who do that myself. Earlier, say 10-15 years ago only the rich businessmen or guys in well to do corporate jobs had the cash to go monger in Thailand but these days it's just about anyone from India who can go to Thailand for a weekend and monger. Even jobless Indian students end up there mongering.
Indian govt has been printing money at the same pace as USA and they sell garbage it services and sub standard products world over because govts in the west decided to kuk themselves & their populations. Wef and the rich want some one world BS and intermix all populations to create super serf race that is easily controlled.
If the west does not change course and limit the trends of globalisation all of India will soon be in the west mongering on western women. I find western women in Indian charging 1000 -2000 usd for a Short time meet and getting plenty of customers because Indian dudes are desperate & crazy over white skin.I haven't seen those 1000's of sub-continent mongers actually spending a whole lot of money. I don't seem to see any of them at the St Regis or Park Hyatt when I am in BKK. I do see a few at the Hilton or IC in Pattaya. I guess most of them are Airbnbing it and maxing out occupancy.
I have made my living and soon to be comfortable early retirement (53) off the aforementioned labor arbitrage. You might want to brush up on your Das Capital reading a little. That "serf race' of the proletariat controls the means of production and will most likely have the last laugh.
Thank you brother. I totally understand and appreciate your concern.
However, I have different dynamics with my girl. We have been together for 6 years and have already done it plenty in our country. It will just be the first time in Pattaya.
As for the frame, I myself am muscular and well built. It's just that we both enjoy the cute girlish boys. It's not me getting cucked. I equally enjoy those guys.
I totally respect your experience though. The same has been my experience about the regular girls and couples. We though, are not regular couple.
I can't tell you about the places but I can tell you for a fact your relationship isn't going to last long via getting so bold and adventurous with your partner.
If you are going to have a third wheel make sure it's a female only. Hold your frame bro before it's too late. But I'm called old fashioned in my of thinking so I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here but my experience tells me women prefer guys who hold onto their masculine frame and lead. So get a female third wheel don't get kuked on purpose in front of her. She will keep doing that to you again and again then if you let it happen once.
MartinFlevo
10-10-22, 15:23
Well been here since Friday after my last visit in June.
For the Pattaya junkys? Yeah you can fuck and all. It's still better than most cities.
For the realistic people and information seekers? It's time to move on. Pattaya is at the end of a era. A new one will start but when that happens there is no excuse for NOT going to BKK or Phuket. Both cities have much more to offer and the price gap is probably gone.
What happened? (IMO) Too many bars have been sold for crazy amount of money without anything to back it up. You buy a bar for a few million THB? You not buy ANYTHING. Because you still got to pay rent. Girls are not on a payroll. So you buy on a "promise" of possible revenue from the previous owner. Without the tools he had (aka the ladies).
So you basically pay for furniture. Maybe a soundsystem. Its crazy. But many guys fell into this scam.
Too many bars. No tourist. So all those bars are now fighting over the girls they need in their bars to get those few tourist inside. One bar owner led the way and start to offering 1 K a day to ladies and guess what? With 3 times the minimum wage by just SITTING in a bar? There is zero incentive for chicks to fuck. So yes. Some still do fuck. But more and more don't need the cash.
they just need to LADYDRINKS..
Another side effect is that barfines are getting insane. They need to cover the higher salaries of the ladies. AND compensate for the loss of ladydrinks for the woman.
Pinup? 2500 barfine. Windmill? 2000. Later in the evening it drops.. but it says enough..
So switch to TF? Well. As you can see yourself. Less fish and most are old / ugly or a combination of those. You won't find the hotties there at the numbers you saw them before. Why? The hotties make enough with other sources of incomes (onlyfans etc).
What should happen?
A perfect scenario for US would be if 20-40% of the bars just go bankrupt. Less bars will bring balance to the Force. Of course every bar owner would say "we just need more girls". However this is NOT going to happen anytime soon because for that you need....?
More tourist and everybody know the situation in their own home country with inflation and all.
A healthy reset would be needed. Less bars. And maybe more in the future when things have settled down.
Anyway my 2 cent. Lets agree to disagree.
ThaiGoodTimes
10-10-22, 15:38
Well been here since Friday after my last visit in June.
For the Pattaya junkys? Yeah you can fuck and all. It's still better than most cities.
For the realistic people and information seekers? It's time to move on. Pattaya is at the end of a era. A new one will start but when that happens there is no excuse for NOT going to BKK or Phuket. Both cities have much more to offer and the price gap is probably be gone.
What happened? (IMO) Too many bars have been sold for crazy amount of money without anything to back it up. You buy a bar for a few million THB? You not buy ANYTHING. Because you still got to pay rent. Girls are not on a payroll. So you buy on a "promise" of possible revenue from the previous owner. Without the tools he had (aka the ladies).
So you basically pay for some stools and furniture. Maybe a soundsystem. Its crazy. But many guys fell into this scam.
Too many bars. No tourist. So all those bars are now fighting over the girls they need in their bars to get those few customers inside. One barowner led the way and start to offering 1 K a day to ladies and guess what? With 3 times the minimum wage by just SITTING in a bar? There is zero incentive for chicks to fuck. So yes. Some still do fuck. But more and more don't need the cash.
Another side effect is that barfines are getting insane. They need to cover the higher salaries of the ladies..Agree with you 1000% at martinflevo.
Pattaya can never get back what it lost.
The best of the girls got out of there and kept working anyway they could.
Many went to Phuket or Bangkok, and found they could get OK money, then went online InstaHo's, OF's, chaturbate etc and are now making way too much to want to work bars.
Sadly as you said Pattaya got fat and bloated on prices and volume like you said thinking that bars where goldmines.
Covid showed them different and now they are more millstones around their necks.
The only way forward for them is to up prices to meet their costs.
Pattaya will survive, but ir will be reborn differently, and a painful rebirth for those invested there.
Well been here since Friday after my last visit in June.
For the Pattaya junkys? Yeah you can fuck and all. It's still better than most cities.
A perfect scenario for US would be if 20-40% of the bars just go bankrupt. Less bars will bring balance to the Force. Of course every bar owner would say "we just need more girls". However this is NOT going to happen anytime soon because for that you need....?
More tourist and everybody know the situation in their own home country with inflation and all.
A healthy reset would be needed. Less bars. And maybe more in the future when things have settled down.
Anyway my 2 cent. Lets agree to disagree.What is needed is also the return to more affordable air tickets. They have been sky rocketing +30% at least. Add the western problems, inflation, utilities +50/100% and people seriously question whether take holidays. No matter how cheap LOS is. It is still a minimum 2-3 weeks to be away and overseas.
Well been here since Friday after my last visit in June.
A healthy reset would be needed. Less bars. And maybe more in the future when things have settled down.
Anyway my 2 cent. Lets agree to disagree.The reset will happen. Bars are a commodity business. A commodity business is heavily influenced by the business cycle. In the long run commodity businesses break even. People make money in commodity business by buying at the low point and selling at the top. The current business environment is headed downward. After the end of "high season" you will see a lot of bars close when they realize that they did not make enough money to live through another "low season". The girl problem is a whole different issue. As some have pointed out before it is a combination of demographics and increased prosperity in Thailand. Young girls have more options than before. So Pattaya will change. Your guess is as good as mine as to what those changes will be. China is a big wild card. If the Chinese go crazy and start a war over Taiwan all of Asia will suffer.
Chimpo Chinn
10-11-22, 01:22
Agree with you 1000% at martinflevo.
Pattaya can never get back what it lost.
The best of the girls got out of there and kept working anyway they could.
Many went to Phuket or Bangkok, and found they could get OK money, then went online InstaHo's, OF's, chaturbate etc and are now making way too much to want to work bars.
Sadly as you said Pattaya got fat and bloated on prices and volume like you said thinking that bars where goldmines.
Covid showed them different and now they are more millstones around their necks.
The only way forward for them is to up prices to meet their costs.
Pattaya will survive, but ir will be reborn differently, and a painful rebirth for those invested there.Chaturbate usually pops when when I watch Ayu Sakurai vids. Upon picking Thai Girls category all I see is Butt Ugly Thai Girls with Very tiny amount of viewers.
Then you see attractive Chinese Girls. Lots of viewers which must mean lots of money.
The good old Looks Matter when selling Sex.
Many of you see Girls making money hand over first. I just don't see it. I need more convincing.
Explorer8939
10-11-22, 02:29
I had a silicon enhanced curvy lady at my condo last night. She came over for a quick drink at 6 pm, left at 2 am. I had to fuck her in two holes to get her to leave. She claimed she grossed 100,000 baht a month if she didn't work hard. But she pissed all of it away on her family, surgical procedures, and bad choices for boyfriends.
I had had another silicon enhanced curvy lady at my condo earlier in the day, but she was a dud. She had a barfine the night before, a young guy, and he literally fucked her all night long. So she was barely there when she came to my condo. I had invited another lady, a bit of a Tomboy who had the hots for her, but either the curvy lady was too tired, or she didn't like the Tom. Yes, they both got naked and there was lots of hand play, but it was mild. The curvy lady left early, the Tomboy refocused on me, but before I could do the deed, the Tomboy passed out. No problem for me, I had fucked the Tomboy's sister a few hours earlier.
I have a series of ladies lined up for the week, all different types. Young, old, some horny, some just go through the motions, some like to play with other ladies, it's exhausting.
The key advice is to get social media contacts for the decent ladies when you visit Thailand. Don't bug the ladies when you go back home, but let them know when you are coming back to Pattaya. After a while, you will build up a rotation.
A healthy reset would be needed. Less bars. And maybe more in the future when things have settled down.Much of ths is post covid turmoil and it's still going to be another year before the situation stabilises. I don't expect the bars to have a good high season as there won't be a great wave of visitors returning yet, many have to make their plans a year ahead and therefore covid weighed heavily as a risk so they might have abandoned their trip.
Then there are the girls who were looking for alternate work online during covid, I think that sites like Onlyfans have peaked in popularity this year and are now facing decline as people are able to travel. So as there's less money online then more will return to the bars. But not soon enough.
China is still under lockdown so you won't see their tourists and Indians are coming in to replace them. They won't feed the same amount of money into the city.
And finally, don't forget the global recession due to covid and the russian invasion of Ukraine, people are going to spend less and holidays are often the first luxury to go or else cut back on. But eventually the recession will drive more girls back to the bars as companies cut back and there's less work.
As ever the world changes and everyone has to adapt. From what I have seen in the first six months of this year is Pattaya is on it's way back after a heavy blow and this high season will not be as good as many.
I'm still returning! After all, everywhere else has been impacted in much the same way. I have not been back to Germany for a long time and may not return for even longer as the costs have doubled and service is down. Don't forget that Pattaya at 66% of normal is still far better than many other places at this time.
Hey people. I'm a long-time visitor of this forum though probably posting for the first time!
I and my girlfriend will be visiting Pattaya in November. I have visited Pattaya in past years but this will be the first time with a female partner.
She's the adventurer type and doesn't mind adult entertainment so I have the following questions:
1. Are there any Adult Entertainment venues (nude clubs, dances, sex shows etc) that are welcomed towards couples and safe for girls? Just like we have Sauna clubs and FKK clubs in Germany and Sex shows in Amsterdam, any similar thing in Pattaya? In short, any adult place where we can go and she won't be judged.
2. On a similar note as above, massage parlors too where a couple can go and get a proper massage. My guess is, it should be a proper professional massage parlor without the "extra services" otherwise the ones with the extra services would have guys ogling and drooling over any lady customer. Any particular Area or SOI for such parlors?
3. Finally, she is also considering to include a third wheelie during our adventures (Threesome to be precise) - both the females and males. Though females are fine, Her type in the boys is the cute, little girlish ones (She hates the manly bulls, sorry guys!) to which I believe, the ladyboys of Pattaya would perfectly fit. I personally haven't invited any ladyboy to the hotel in my solo trips earlier but I've heard that they might be rowdy, pushy, or even criminals. Any suggestions to try that out safely and smoothly and select the right type of ladyboys?1. No one judges shit in Thailand for a tourist, do whatever you want. This is not the west. These girls and people do not care one bit about you or your girl, only your money. They are judging the fat 65 year old english bloke and laughing in thai at him about who is going to take his money to fuck his fat ass, and how much they will scam from him in having him buy ladydrinks. For you and your girl, they don't care at all, they're happy you're not some obese old shithead, if any judgement happens, its positive, they want to hang out with someone more fun, and a couple is great, more money, easy drinks, you're all set. Gogo bars are just girls in bikinis or topless standing there 'dancing' on stage. By that I mean they have a ton of girls standing on a platform in the middle of the room just moving a little bit with dead stripper eyes. The bigger, more popular clubs have more of a dance club party feel. Gogos overall aren't as exciting as you may hope they would be, its not a vegas strip club, its a showroom for cars you can drink at. Couples are absolute fine and normal, but iits not a western style strip club or anything like that. As for sex shows, FKK, etc. This is absolutey not how Thai sex industry works, none of that exists, not even remotely. Pattaya has "beer bars" where its a shitty bar filled with girls you can F and then Gogos which are bars where girls stand on stage and you can pick one to take home, plus freelancers on the street, which are cheap.
2. There are regular, normal massage parlors, or 3 on every block in thailand. Literally everywhere.
3. Don't know the ladyboy situation, not my thing, just make sure you get one that is willing to do what you want and be explicit and upfront about what you and your girl expect to happen-- Same goes for a regular girl. Be very specific. As for the pushy, rowdy, and getting a bit wild in the club, much more than girls, yes they have this reputation, but also have long lists of fans from across the world, so its just part of the act they do. I don't interact with them, so can't give any better advice other than they are sex workers and will do sex things for money.
Shukracharya
10-11-22, 22:21
Of course those Indian mongers won't stay at park Hyatt bro when cheaper options are available all over. I have decent amount of money on me but still I won't pay huge bucks at park Hyatt.
And the serf race don't control anything. Marx's diagnosis of the problem is spot on in das capital but his solutions are BS. Even in communist countries the workers don't control anything. It's always the elites running the show who control everything be it communism or capitalism. So the future serf race won't be controlling nothing but fighting over low paid jobs to feed themselves and maybe get enough money to monger around.
I haven't seen those 1000's of sub-continent mongers actually spending a whole lot of money. I don't seem to see any of them at the St Regis or Park Hyatt when I am in BKK. I do see a few at the Hilton or IC in Pattaya. I guess most of them are Airbnbing it and maxing out occupancy.
I have made my living and soon to be comfortable early retirement (53) off the aforementioned labor arbitrage. You might want to brush up on your Das Capital reading a little. That "serf race' of the proletariat controls the means of production and will most likely have the last laugh.
Explorer8939
10-12-22, 01:13
There have been reports here claiming that Pattaya is going downhill since the board began. It's an easily explainable syndrome: a guy goes to Pattaya the first time and is totally impressed. But, after a series of visits, he gets used to it, and starts to notice some imperfections.
I had a lady over for drinks yesterday, and she got hammered. After a while, she started begging me to do a BJ, but I declined, as I had another lady coming soon. That led to more begging and grabbing my dick, so I finally gave up and let her have her way.
So, I can't complain about Pattaya.
Much of ths is post covid turmoil and it's still going to be another year before the situation stabilises. I don't expect the bars to have a good high season as there won't be a great wave of visitors returning yet, many have to make their plans a year ahead and therefore covid weighed heavily as a risk so they might have abandoned their trip.
Then there are the girls who were looking for alternate work online during covid, I think that sites like Onlyfans have peaked in popularity this year and are now facing decline as people are able to travel. So as there's less money online then more will return to the bars. But not soon enough.
China is still under lockdown so you won't see their tourists and Indians are coming in to replace them. They won't feed the same amount of money into the city.
And finally, don't forget the global recession due to covid and the russian invasion of Ukraine, people are going to spend less and holidays are often the first luxury to go or else cut back on. But eventually the recession will drive more girls back to the bars as companies cut back and there's less work..The global recession has nothing to do with Russia-Ukraine. It has everything to do with governments and central banks printing money for years and increasing the debt whilst kicking the can down the road. The global recession is just commencing and it will be felt in Thailand as it will everywhere else. Tourist numbers will drop as farang won't have the money to travel. Less tourists means the price of pussy decreases. Just wait another year and these same girls pushing for 2 k ST will be lucky to get 1 k ST.
Certainly too many bars in Pattaya, contraction has to happen.
I'm in Samui now and yes the quality and quantity is low, but the girls that are here are so desperate I am getting whatever I want. There is an extreme lack of tourists here and the majority of Samui tourists aren't mongers anyways. I'm surprised these girls are here instead of Phuket. Yesterday I had a girl over for 3 hours for for 1 k ST and she was more attractive than any girl I bedded in two months I was in Pattaya. Today sampling a cute one I got down to 700 baht ST, we'll see how it goes.
Chimpo Chinn
10-12-22, 04:52
Huge Beer Bar complex opened without much Fanfare at end of Walking Street.
Light system alone cost 20,000,000 baht.
Mind Boggling.
Of course those Indian mongers won't stay at park Hyatt bro when cheaper options are available all over. I have decent amount of money on me but still I won't pay huge bucks at park Hyatt.
And the serf race don't control anything. Marx's diagnosis of the problem is spot on in das capital but his solutions are BS. Even in communist countries the workers don't control anything. It's always the elites running the show who control everything be it communism or capitalism. So the future serf race won't be controlling nothing but fighting over low paid jobs to feed themselves and maybe get enough money to monger around.Well, I don't pay the big bucks either when I stay there or anywhere else decent. I accumulate 1 M+ hotel points, 700 K+airline miles, and 500 K credit card points per year off of client travel. Plus having lifetime top tier status gets me some pretty nice upgrades. The real issue is that the proletariat / plebs (who lets face it, many of which aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer) are very easily manipulated to turn against their own self-interest through nationalism, racism, religion, and a myriad of other "ism's."
While some of the Indian mongers might be pretty flush with cash, watching them try to negotiate down a beach road freelancer from the normal 1000 be is embarrassing and strikes me as loser cheap.
ElMexicant
10-12-22, 06:32
Last night did some rounds with another Pattaya vet. Pin Up, Sky Fall (where we both had been banned years ago), Fahrenheit, Sensations, Palace, and Sapphire. Simply put. Walking Street GoGo bars are still only 30% of what they were in 2019. Prices a bit higher, quality of girls much much lower. Newbies and those who don't frequent often, won't know any better. Those who are seasoned or come every year, will. Perhaps this is how it ends, unless there is an alien invasion. Especially, with all that's going on in the world with Russia, Ukraine, NATO, China, Taiwan, USA, North and South Korea, Japan etc. We already had Plague, War, Famine, in such a short time, and now just waiting on the final Horseman riding on the pale horse. Toast to new beginnings?
ThaiGoodTimes
10-12-22, 08:05
Chaturbate usually pops when when I watch Ayu Sakurai vids. Upon picking Thai Girls category all I see is Butt Ugly Thai Girls with Very tiny amount of viewers.
Then you see attractive Chinese Girls. Lots of viewers which must mean lots of money.
The good old Looks Matter when selling Sex.
Many of you see Girls making money hand over first. I just don't see it. I need more convincing.Have a look at gandamitch on chaturbate.
She is normally one very day, solo, or a twosome or 3 some, and is making $500-1000 per day based on token counts (each token earns her 5 c).
She also has instagram (MorenaMitch), and OFs to make money.
And yes, she and her friends are at most 6-7/10's, but she is making the money.
Hello guys,
I am an Indian travelling solo to Pattaya / Bangkok for a week. I have read through the forum and there is no clear price that's generally accepted. Thus is my first trip here so a bit confused. I am looking for the best looking spinners and my understanding is that I can score them in gogo's albeit at a bit higher price which I am not worried about. If some seniors can shed some light on accepted practices after covid would be helpful. My travel dates are 20th to 27th split between bkk / Pattaya. If anyone else is travelling in the same dates and want to connect drop me a pm.
Hello guys,
I am an Indian travelling solo to Pattaya / Bangkok for a week. I have read through the forum and there is no clear price that's generally accepted. Thus is my first trip here so a bit confused. I am looking for the best looking spinners and my understanding is that I can score them in gogo's albeit at a bit higher price which I am not worried about. If some seniors can shed some light on accepted practices after covid would be helpful. My travel dates are 20th to 27th split between bkk / Pattaya. If anyone else is travelling in the same dates and want to connect drop me a pm.Not a Senior but off of my latest experience a month ago.
Standard / observed prices in Pattaya:
Beach Road / Freelancers - 1000 Baht. Not the greatest quality but solid. Take back to your Hotel / Condo or pay for ST hotel 300 Bajt.
Soi 6 Bars. Much better quality and a huge quantity. 1000 Baht + 400 Baht barfine (which includes room upstairs) If you buy a drink and a lady drink to start add 200-300. If a girl quotes you a higher price above standard that you are not willing to pay. Just move on to the next. It is a target rich environment.
GoGo. Big variations. Anywhere from 2000-4000 for ST and LT is 2000+ more, all depending on quality of the girl (or what she thinks her quality is. Doesn't always line up), Barfines 1500 before 11-12, half after 12.
IMO Soi Six is your best value to hotness, and you can party a little if need be.
Observed Prices in BKK -.
BJ bars - 800 Baht.
Oily Massage - 2000-2700 Baht depending on place / length of session.
Freelancers - 1000-1500 Baht + ST hotel or your abode.
Gogo ST 2500-5000 Baht, LT is harder to come by. BF - 1000-1500 depending on time and place.
Word of advice. Don't try to negotiate down from standard prices with Soi 6 and Freelancers, sours any vibe and 95% of the time they will refuse. Oilys + BJ bars are non-negotiable. GoGo girls might give an outrageous price, be willing to walk away if you think it's too much. If they are really interested / want the business, they probably will come down some. When I have just accepted the reasonable / standard price, the night / session goes much better.
Chimpo Chinn
10-12-22, 16:44
Not a Senior but off of my latest experience a month ago.
Standard / observed prices in Pattaya:
Beach Road / Freelancers - 1000 Baht. Not the greatest quality but solid. Take back to your Hotel / Condo or pay for ST hotel 300 Bajt.
Soi 6 Bars. Much better quality and a huge quantity. 1000 Baht + 400 Baht barfine (which includes room upstairs) If you buy a drink and a lady drink to start add 200-300. If a girl quotes you a higher price above standard that you are not willing to pay. Just move on to the next. It is a target rich environment.
GoGo. Big variations. Anywhere from 2000-4000 for ST and LT is 2000+ more, all depending on quality of the girl (or what she thinks her quality is. Doesn't always line up), Barfines 1500 before 11-12, half after 12.
IMO Soi Six is your best value to hotness, and you can party a little if need be.
Observed Prices in BKK -.
BJ bars - 800 Baht.
Oily Massage - 2000-2700 Baht depending on place / length of session.
Freelancers - 1000-1500 Baht + ST hotel or your abode.
Gogo ST 2500-5000 Baht, LT is harder to come by. BF - 1000-1500 depending on time and place.
Word of advice. Don't try to negotiate down from standard prices with Soi 6 and Freelancers, sours any vibe and 95% of the time they will refuse. Oilys + BJ bars are non-negotiable. GoGo girls might give an outrageous price, be willing to walk away if you think it's too much. If they are really interested / want the business, they probably will come down some. When I have just accepted the reasonable / standard price, the night / session goes much better.Hold your Arabian Horses.
Rainbow 4 Nana Plaza Superstar still at 3,000 baht. I inquired not more than a month ago.
Schlubs at Rainbow 4 still at, I really don't know. They don't get customers.
I'm not saying Schlubs are good or bad,. Looks Matters.
Shukracharya
10-12-22, 16:51
Bro that's very cool. You are basically having.
A blast with all those accumulated points. I never even bother to check what points I have. Call it my ignorance or laziness but I usually avoid the credit card salesmans like the plague. Maybe I should look up and read about all that too.
As for Indians over negotiating, being cheap or 5-6 of them wanting to smash just one girl and play out their gang rape fantasies, well yeah that's true. I won't deny that. That's a characteristic of say 90-99% of all indians.
And bro uniting on race, nationalism, religion is what keeps human being sane. Otherwise humans dwell into insanity. Sure all the above identities have led to numerous wars but it also refined and shaped culture, civilisation which produced amazing philosophies, art, paintings, literary works. Problem is humans after the 60-70's feminism and hippie movement think war is some sort of evil and that everyone has to live no matter what.
They not want to control behaviour of humans but also wish to control nature. E. g. They have releasedgenetically modified mosquitoes to eliminate malaria dengu etc. Post hippie feminism era humans want to play god / nature themselves. I say nature gives and nature takes. We as humans can only strive to live our best trying to conquer nature is a futile attempt. All these diseases have forced people for centuries to live in a eco friendly way but now certain elites wish to play god and only god knows what chain reaction would this lead to maybe newer diseases or overpopulation eventually leading to war LOL. War is inevitable in the end. We as human will always fight for the finite resources. Question only is do we want to go to war based on race, religion, nationalism or do we fight simply around economic interests or vague ideas of humanity? I think the people fighting on the identity of race, religion nationalism will always win over those fighting for economic interests or vague ideas of humanity, pacifism. Just take a look at the islamic world, all those guys are migrating all over the world and they don't give up on their faith. Europe America and rest of the western world will learn the hard way the lessons about maintaing ideas of race, nationality and religion just like we in India learnt it the hard way over 700 -1000 years of brutality. We still managed to retain atleast our religious identity in the face of continuous attacks and now have a national identity too. Race / ethnic identity were lost and is being completely destroyed with the advancement of GDP, growth, Modern economic theory in India. However it's almost impossible to get rid of religious and national identity here. People will just not put up with all the atheist, hippie, Marxist ideology here. So that's a good characteristic of Indians.
Well, I don't pay the big bucks either when I stay there or anywhere else decent. I accumulate 1 M+ hotel points, 700 K+airline miles, and 500 K credit card points per year off of client travel. Plus having lifetime top tier status gets me some pretty nice upgrades. The real issue is that the proletariat / plebs (who lets face it, many of which aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer) are very easily manipulated to turn against their own self-interest through nationalism, racism, religion, and a myriad of other "ism's."
While some of the Indian mongers might be pretty flush with cash, watching them try to negotiate down a beach road freelancer from the normal 1000 be is embarrassing and strikes me as loser cheap.
Sir Lancelot
10-12-22, 18:16
... On a similar note as above, massage parlors too where a couple can go and get a proper massage. My guess is, it should be a proper professional massage parlor without the "extra services" otherwise the ones with the extra services would have guys ogling and drooling over any lady customer. Any particular Area or SOI for such parlors??On my first trip to Thailand I remember going with a pretty, young girl at a soapy massage parlour called Cristins in Phuket. She was a sweetheart so I went with her several times when the massage parlour closed. On one occasion she told me that a western couple had been with her earlier in the day and she was the meat in the sandwich!
So my recommendation for Pattaya is to try one of the soapies, I. E Sabai Dee, Honey, Honey 2. When you're sitting in front of the fishbowl there's usually a mamasan or papasan lingering so tell them what you're looking for and they'll be able to tell you which girls will go with a couple, or even engage in a threesome. If you've never done a soapy, it's a great experience and I'm sure even more fun with an extra person.
Last night did some rounds with another Pattaya vet. Pin Up, Sky Fall (where we both had been banned years ago)ElMexicant, I am curious about both of you being banned whether banned separately or at the same time. What did you do to get banned? I've never seen anybody get banned before. Whatever the cause I hope you had a good time.
Sir Lancelot
10-12-22, 18:34
I'll be in Pattaya in November and would like to mix things up a bit from the usual golden triangle of Tree Town, LK Metro and soi 6. I've heard about a place called 'the Dark Side' which sounds interesting but can find little info on the forum. Has anyone been?
Oneminuteboy
10-12-22, 23:28
On another forum there is more information on the Dark Side.
It's just the part of Pattaya that doesn't have as many lights as the central area.
There are two places on that side I want to try.
Thanks a lot for summarizing this very practical information. Its rare to find such informative post now a days.
How is the quantity of freelancers on beach road in Pattaya and on sukumvit road in Bangkok? 50% of pre covid days or just 20%?
Not a Senior but off of my latest experience a month ago.
Standard / observed prices in Pattaya:
Beach Road / Freelancers - 1000 Baht. Not the greatest quality but solid. Take back to your Hotel / Condo or pay for ST hotel 300 Bajt.
Soi 6 Bars. Much better quality and a huge quantity. 1000 Baht + 400 Baht barfine (which includes room upstairs) If you buy a drink and a lady drink to start add 200-300. If a girl quotes you a higher price above standard that you are not willing to pay. Just move on to the next. It is a target rich environment.
GoGo. Big variations. Anywhere from 2000-4000 for ST and LT is 2000+ more, all depending on quality of the girl (or what she thinks her quality is. Doesn't always line up), Barfines 1500 before 11-12, half after 12.
IMO Soi Six is your best value to hotness, and you can party a little if need be.
Observed Prices in BKK -.
BJ bars - 800 Baht.
Oily Massage - 2000-2700 Baht depending on place / length of session.
Freelancers - 1000-1500 Baht + ST hotel or your abode.
Gogo ST 2500-5000 Baht, LT is harder to come by. BF - 1000-1500 depending on time and place.
Word of advice. Don't try to negotiate down from standard prices with Soi 6 and Freelancers, sours any vibe and 95% of the time they will refuse. Oilys + BJ bars are non-negotiable. GoGo girls might give an outrageous price, be willing to walk away if you think it's too much. If they are really interested / want the business, they probably will come down some. When I have just accepted the reasonable / standard price, the night / session goes much better.
Explorer8939
10-13-22, 01:32
I'll be in Pattaya in November and would like to mix things up a bit from the usual golden triangle of Tree Town, LK Metro and soi 6. I've heard about a place called 'the Dark Side' which sounds interesting but can find little info on the forum. Has anyone been?The "Darkside" is merely the area east of Sukhumvit Road. It's more thinly populated, but there are a lot of foreigners living there due to lower prices. Plenty of smaller bars spread out there, typically with 5 to 10 ladies, with the same regular customers. The typical customer has retired, has a Thai wife, but she is older and doesn't want to fuck much, if at all, and is not too interested in her husband. So the guy goes to the local bar to play with a bargirl and maybe get a BJ or go ST. The Thai ladies typically live with their Thai man somewhere near the bar.
Explorer8939
10-14-22, 00:54
The current roster at Maggie Mays.
Chimpo Chinn
10-14-22, 01:25
Have a look at gandamitch on chaturbate.
She is normally one very day, solo, or a twosome or 3 some, and is making $500-1000 per day based on token counts (each token earns her 5 c).
She also has instagram (MorenaMitch), and OFs to make money.
And yes, she and her friends are at most 6-7/10's, but she is making the money.She identifies as a Phillipino. Funny bro. Haha.
Explorer8939
10-14-22, 10:43
I had a couple of gogo dancers over for drinks today. I knew one previously, and she brought over a friend (which is one way of adding ladies to my rotation). The deal is I pay 2000 baht for the ladies to come drink for a few hours. What else they do is up to them.
After a couple of hours worth of tequila shots, they got naked, and I took them separately into the bedroom, one for pussy licking, the second for fucking.
If the ladies actually cum from pussy licking, I am amazed that they don't demand it. This one was jerking around, moaning, the whole bit, finally pushing me away. No idea if it was real or not.
Tonight, I will hit the Gentlemen's clubs to find a lady for a barfine. I want a lady who I have already gone with, but not too recently. Let's hope one is available.
LittleBigMan
10-14-22, 14:31
The "Darkside" is merely the area east of Sukhumvit Road. It's more thinly populated, but there are a lot of foreigners living there due to lower prices. Plenty of smaller bars spread out there, typically with 5 to 10 ladies, with the same regular customers. The typical customer has retired, has a Thai wife, but she is older and doesn't want to fuck much, if at all, and is not too interested in her husband. So the guy goes to the local bar to play with a bargirl and maybe get a BJ or go ST. The Thai ladies typically live with their Thai man somewhere near the bar.This so stupid funny!
Mr Enternational
10-15-22, 02:03
The Thai ladies typically live with their Thai man somewhere near the bar.In my experience the chicks that work at bars on the darkside typically live at the bars.
Hold your Arabian Horses.
Rainbow 4 Nana Plaza Superstar still at 3,000 baht. I inquired not more than a month ago.
Schlubs at Rainbow 4 still at, I really don't know. They don't get customers.
I'm not saying Schlubs are good or bad,. Looks Matters.I'm a value vs looks vs performance guy. It's a math equation to me and I am looking for a point / range on the curve. I am much more partial to the little older 7 who can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch (and who will spend 1-2 hours pleasing you for less than $100 all in) than the overpriced young 10 who turns out to be a starfish. If really wanted just looks, I would go to Amsterdam or a German FKK where the many of the girls are porn star gorgeous. Or to Athens and get solid 8-9 (and sometimes a 10) Eastern EU / South American escorts who come to your hotel room for $150ST.
Thanks a lot for summarizing this very practical information. Its rare to find such informative post now a days.
How is the quantity of freelancers on beach road in Pattaya and on sukumvit road in Bangkok? 50% of pre covid days or just 20%?I don't have a huge amount of data points to go off, but I would say that it's off a bit. Not 50%, but not back to pre-covid. Part of that also might be the rainy / monsoon season, especially since it seems to have been a rather bad one this year. I think that the data points we get from the upcoming high season will give us a much better idea of post covid recovery of quality.
ThaiGoodTimes
10-16-22, 07:43
She identifies as a Phillipino. Funny bro. Haha.Yes, she says she is Pinay, but she is based in Phuket, and the girls she plays with online in Chaturbate, and also Instagram are all Thai.
Look up Tastymaze, Mai, KittyPokemon, etc.
In my mind none of them are stunning, more like just above average, but they are making the money without doubt.
Explorer8939
10-16-22, 12:32
I did a traditional barfine the other night, taking a MILF to my condo. Paid 2000 baht, she stayed for a few hours. We drank some, she got naked, and then we went to the bedroom. A bit of a change of pace for me, going with a newbie.
Tonight I have 2 ladies coming, should be fun.
Dear Abbey.
Last night five women came to my villa, in the suburbs of Pattaya; incredible enough they got in bikini to jump in the pool, where they removed their tops. The sight of tits visible was outstandiing, I was about to shag two of them but the other three did not agree.
So they draws me to the bedroom where I have a 2 x size king bed. Interaction was massive. One was even a virgin.
Needless to say that with copious amount of Samsong and tequila shots, she surrender and joined the "ex virgin army".
I had to shag them all night and it was exhausting. In the morning I had to kick them out by paying 5000 baht each. They wanted to stay all the day long for free. But I had other arrangements for the afternoon.
Dear Abbey, do you think a decent man can handle this for long? I have far too many ladies lining up for the next 6 days. Why their Thai boyfriends and husbands are not doing their job?
I am feeling like a missionary doing a lot of mercy. Will this give me merit at the local temple?
After my first and probably last for a while trip to Pattaya here is al ist of what I enjoyed, of courses everyones tastes are different.
Taxi service from BKK. I used both Mr. Nice and Nam Lady Taxi and I will have to go with Mr Nice. My return fight after leaving Thailand for a week was early and Mr. Nice driver was waiting vs when my initial flight into Thailand was 45 min early I had to wait for Nam's driver. Mr. Nice was 200 baht cheaper too.
Hotel. Holiday Inn Express- Can't speak to compare to others as this is the only Pattaya hotel I have been, but great staff, clean, new, decent location, in house laundry.
Massage. Nemo for no funny business top notch massage, Super Thai the next block down for decent massage but other stuff on the table. Ask for oil massage upstairs. I had been going here daily and on my 3rd day I saw a tall big boob hottie. There is only one other decent looking massage girl there altough the boss lady is superfit. Anyways asked her if she does massage hotel, no problem. Long story short I paid her shop fee for the last two days of my trip and had a very fun two days. Nice GFE for thoose wanting and not greedy. I won't say her name but she will stand out and she is heading back home shortly for next three weeks but I highly recommend hitting this place and her up.
GC. Maggie May and Purple Club. Maggie May a bit more fun lively and closer to everything. Purple club hotter girls. I also went to high rollers, and there were some hotties for sure but observing body behavior I could tell many were not true pleasers.
Bar. I hit a up a few bars but my daily was The Jungle / Rabbit Hole on Soi 13/1. I came across this bar on a Buzzin video and found out the owner was a fellow Canadian so I had to stop by. Quite quiet in terms of traffic, but they have a wicked band, the girls aren't pushy for lady drinks. I went every night to listen to good live music play pool and not be bothered by girls wanting to by drinks. Most of the ladies are older but there is one in her mid thirties. Doesn't speak english well but with translate was no problem and enjoyed a few fun nights with her. Again very service oriented GFE, and very loud in bed. I can't see how he can make any money only saw a few customers a night so I have to shamelessly plug his place, I think its mroe of the location on Soi 13 than the bar itself Hoping high season things pick up a bit.
Go Go - Kink in LK metro. Altough I didn't bar fine, a regret, but ran out of time. Go to the second floor. plenty of debauchery.
Food. A block away from my hotel first intersection towrds LK metro great coffee and smoothie cart. Korandos not far away from my hotel was good too, a few really good looking ladies their but I think some are not BF. I checked out both Cheap Charlies & Nickys for an english breakfast and altough CC is nicer food and service and Nicky's is better.
Right next to Super Thai is a super sweet and super hot girl running a Sushi stand. I would come support her a cause I felt a bit bad, not alot of traffic but she was super hot. So I didn't mind chatting to her for a bit while I ate my sushi My last day she told me she might break up with her falang BF. Damn a little too late, I would be over that like a pig in shit. Sushi was good for the price and I recommend checking her out.
Finally Mama's burger across the 7/11 for my nightly burger and chat her and other patron. For the price top class burger.
As I said before there is something for everyone in Pattaya. If something is not working for you there 1000 more opportunities around the corner.
I won't return anytime soon simply because there isn't enough to do during the day, other than drink or go for massages. The daily torrential rain did not help either.
Overall it was a great experience and lots of fun. You won't regret going.
ElMexicant
10-18-22, 10:11
Well I gave it my best at bat. Was a Pin Up this past weekend. It was early about 8:45 pm. Model 467 in white, very delicious body. White skinned. Chinese facial features. Nice bolt on tits. Slim but leggy with a thin waist. Maybe the best in there. After her dance rotation, she walked by where I was sitting and I was able to confirm her looks up close. Called mamasan over and asked if she was barfineable. Mamasan said she was. Made my max offer, which was same max offer, I offered targeted stunner girls at the GoGo bars before COVID, if you can understand that. Told mamasan I was willing to buy her 5 drinks to match her nightly quota to fulfill that 50 in 10 days contract. Pay the barfine and 5000 for LT and table service at Club Panda. Plus 100 tip to mamasan if all that can close the deal. Mamasan walked over to the girl, chatted with her for a minute, and pointed to me. Model 467 smiled and walked over. Boy, I thought I was getting lucky! Model 467, then told me she cannot go tonight because she had another customer booking. She said thank you and told me next time. For all that I got a kiss on the cheek and was told come back next week. Mamasan gave me an I'm sorry smile and asked if I want to choose another. To that I said, let me look, but meant no. Well damn, I thought. I sat there 30-40 more minutes and saw other customers buy her a drinks. She didn't go with any of them. About 10 pm. A hefty Korean guy with a sleeveless AC / DC muscle shirt came in and called her off the stage. I watched as a couple of trays of 10 shots of tequila was brought out to her. She invited 2 more of her model girlfriends to their little party. He also asked the waitstaff to bring out a 2000 baht bucket of ping pong balls and handed it all to her. She kept the whole bucket to herself. Wonder does he know that Pin Up keeps 1000 of that, only 10 baht per ball goes to the girl. He must be new. Oh well, now I saw why my offer of nearly 8,000 plus clubbing, seemed like a lowball offer. Cheap ass me. Didn't feel like competing. Instead I walked over to SkyFalls and called good ole Giftzy whom I met at Living Dolls ages ago. One of my first barfines ever in Pattaya ages ago. She since worked for quite a few clubs including Pin Up. Bought her a couple of drinks and got a free hand job. SkyFalls is so dark and raunchy. Damn near can get a seizure with those strobe lights. Reminds me of the shut down Taboo Club. Sorry to staff that had to clean up my jizz. Blame it on Giftzy, she was the one who wiped my cum on the sofa not me. Oh well, I did my best. But I guess my best wasn't good enough. Cause here we are. Back where we were before. Seems nothin' ever changes. We're back to being strangers. Wondering if we ought to stay. Or head on out the door. Just damn once!
Wayne Roberts
10-19-22, 09:31
The global recession has nothing to do with Russia-Ukraine. It has everything to do with governments and central banks printing money for years and increasing the debt whilst kicking the can down the road. The global recession is just commencing and it will be felt in Thailand as it will everywhere else. Tourist numbers will drop as farang won't have the money to travel. Less tourists means the price of pussy decreases. Just wait another year and these same girls pushing for 2 k ST will be lucky to get 1 k ST.
Certainly too many bars in Pattaya, contraction has to happen.
I'm in Samui now and yes the quality and quantity is low, but the girls that are here are so desperate I am getting whatever I want. There is an extreme lack of tourists here and the majority of Samui tourists aren't mongers anyways. I'm surprised these girls are here instead of Phuket. Yesterday I had a girl over for 3 hours for for 1 k ST and she was more attractive than any girl I bedded in two months I was in Pattaya. Today sampling a cute one I got down to 700 baht ST, we'll see how it goes.Jesus mate, you are knocking these girls down 300 baht? Its 7 dollars FFS.
Sundown Rodeo
10-19-22, 09:36
Well I gave it my best at bat. Was a Pin Up this past weekend. It was early about 8:45 pm. Model 467 in white, very delicious body. White skinned. Chinese facial features. Nice bolt on tits. Slim but leggy with a thin waist. Maybe the best in there. After her dance rotation, she walked by where I was sitting and I was able to confirm her looks up close. Called mamasan over and asked if she was barfineable. Mamasan said she was. Made my max offer, which was same max offer, I offered targeted stunner girls at the GoGo bars before COVID, if you can understand that. Told mamasan I was willing to buy her 5 drinks to match her nightly quota to fulfill that 50 in 10 days contract. Pay the barfine and 5000 for LT and table service at Club Panda. Plus 100 tip to mamasan if all that can close the deal. Mamasan walked over to the girl, chatted with her for a minute, and pointed to me. Model 467 smiled and walked over. Boy, I thought I was getting lucky! Model 467, then told me she cannot go tonight because she had another customer booking. She said thank you and told me next time. For all that I got a kiss on the cheek and was told come back next week. Mamasan gave me an I'm sorry smile and asked if I want to choose another. To that I said, let me look, but meant no. Well damn, I thought. I sat there 30-40 more minutes and saw other customers buy her a drinks. She didn't go with any of them. About 10 pm. A hefty Korean guy with a sleeveless AC / DC muscle shirt came in and called her off the stage. I watched as a couple of trays of 10 shots of tequila was brought out to her. She invited 2 more of her model girlfriends to their little party. He also asked the waitstaff to bring out a 2000 baht bucket of ping pong balls and handed it all to her. She kept the whole bucket to herself. Wonder does he know that Pin Up keeps 1000 of that, only 10 baht per ball goes to the girl. He must be new. Oh well, now I saw why my offer of nearly 8,000 plus clubbing, seemed like a lowball offer. Cheap ass me. Didn't feel like competing. Instead I walked over to SkyFalls and called good ole Giftzy whom I met at Living Dolls ages ago. One of my first barfines ever in Pattaya ages ago. She since worked for quite a few clubs including Pin Up. Bought her a couple of drinks and got a free hand job. SkyFalls is so dark and raunchy.I've saw Giftzy a few times in there, seems to be a bit up herself. Decent bar fine? I took the older one last time, really good dancer. Name is Tik.
Wayne Roberts
10-19-22, 10:35
Well been here since Friday after my last visit in June.
For the Pattaya junkys? Yeah you can fuck and all. It's still better than most cities.
For the realistic people and information seekers? It's time to move on. Pattaya is at the end of a era. A new one will start but when that happens there is no excuse for NOT going to BKK or Phuket. Both cities have much more to offer and the price gap is probably gone.
What happened? (IMO) Too many bars have been sold for crazy amount of money without anything to back it up. You buy a bar for a few million THB? You not buy ANYTHING. Because you still got to pay rent. Girls are not on a payroll. So you buy on a "promise" of possible revenue from the previous owner. Without the tools he had (aka the ladies).
So you basically pay for furniture. Maybe a soundsystem. Its crazy. But many guys fell into this scam...I am still on the ground here in Pattaya, you can see some of my previous posts and my opinion has not changed much. I agree with you, Pattaya is not what it was and its in a lot of trouble.
There have always been too many bars spread out all over the show, but at the moment the competition for girls is so fierce that its created bizarro world. My intention is not to put people off, its mostly to provide some perspective so that you can adjust expectations and perhaps consider what your game plan should be based on how much time you would have if you travel here.
I would like to add some general updates based on what I am seeing and hearing given the additional time I have had here too. I'm out of here in two weeks, so its ended up being a good 2.5 months in Pattaya. I'll be going over old ground in some cases, but my view has been solidified for the most part that this place is past its prime and I am not sure how it actually recovers either. Normally I am a two week millionaire type, but I have changed things up given the longer amount of time I have spent in country. I have come to realize talking to the girls, bar managers and owners / staff of various businesses that its the two week millionaires that kept this place going. As much as the old cheap charlies and expats complain about the pricing pressure they create, in reality they were actually the lifeblood for a lot of the industry because they spend big and they pay the bills.
1 - The gogos are a fucked. I love thai women and asian women, but there is simply no way I can justify paying these sorts of barfines and prices. Not to mention the LD quotas. I am not short of a buck and not a budget traveller, but we are talking about prices that are starting to match Europe. Beautiful thai women are up there with women from all over the world, but the ratios have never been in their favour like they are in Eastern Europe and Latin America either. So if you are on a short trip here, you are going to be paying through the nose for a belter or having to waste time hunting for that gem that pops up from time to time. You are in for 8 k-10 k all up by the time BF's, drinks, LD's and girls rates are taken into account if you pull them out before midnight. Add the hotel cost, food, flights and other expenses? If they were full of women that could match any half decent FKK, Spanish bordello or Brazilian club I would say fine. But its not at that level, regardless of your tastes and how deep the yellow fever runs. Anyone who says otherwise has never been to these countries, or went to the wrong places when they visited.
2 - Long Time (LT) is actually becoming an issue. This was one of the major appeals of Thailand, was that you took a girl for the night and it was normally 1-2 pops before bed and then another shot when you wake up with the morning wood. More and more girls are only providing ST now. This is from the bars, gentlemen's clubs, etc. Gogos its still bog standard for most, but the Thai LT service is gradually eroding.
3 - The competition for girls has created a massive shortage across the whole industry. Gogo's are paying a lot to get staff and they are taking just about anyone. Which means they are hoovering up all the girls, and that has reduced the quality right down the food chain. There are still a lot of girls who choose to work in specific environments because it suits them, many just prefer working bars or gentlemen's clubs to gogos regardless of the extra cash they would make, but the shortage is having an impact. The 10 day contracts are all the girls talk about, and they are shopping themselves as much as possible.
4 - All the girls are complaining about how quiet it is. Beyond that restaurant staff, massage therapists, hotel staff. All saying the same thing and you can sense there are a lot of nerves and a growing concern that things do need to pickup this high season otherwise a lot more places are going under. This season is a big one for Pattaya and it needs it badly.
5 - The girls are not actually pushing their rates up, for the most part those have stayed the same for years now and I am not sure how a lot of them actually do it. A few of the gogos are rammed, but the vast majority are dead quiet. A lot of bars and GC's too, a few doing good trade but many are struggling. Nightclubs are also not that busy, and when they are they packed with Indians sitting around a single drink who spend the night dancing with each other and talking more than anything else. The costs are the costs from the business owners to cover their overheads, not from the girls themselves. A lot of these girls are struggling to get more than a few drinks sold a night, and in many cases are not being barfined at all given the high BF rates at some places. So they are reliant on those 10 day contracts and salaries too.
6 - The pressure to sell drinks in some venues is fucking insane and it puts you off going into these venues. Its relentless, to the point where cleaning staff are hammering you. I know the owners need to start turning a buck, but this is not the way. I have not been back to walking street in two weeks, and even LK Metro it is out of control with it. Its a pain in the ass dealing with the bullshit because you can't just sit and have a beer for a while it seems.
7 - Never thought I would see the day, but some girls in GC's and bars even on Soi 6 are drinks only. They don't BF, they only sell drinks. No idea why owners and managers think their customers are coming to speak broken English to bar girls only, but this is becoming more and more frequent. This is how desperate they are for any girls in the bar now.
8 - 90% of the girls are not pushing their rates up, but I think its coming soon. Been a few cheeky attempts at 1500-1800 on Soi 6, which has also turned into a drinking alley more than the fucking alley it used to be. There is no reason to visit Soi 6, if its bars and GC's your best bet is currently Buakow area where I have been spending more and more time.
9 - Hotels are cheap as shit right now, its tough not to just stick around if you can work remotely like I do. So that's what I have done, and I have settled into a routine that has been very comfortable. Everything else is still very well priced, so accommodation, food and food choices, gyms, etc are all great and cheap as hell given quality. And I always loved the people here. Beyond the sex industry Thailand has a lot to offer and still does, so I have enjoyed my time here immensely still.
10 - Being able to spend more time here means I have been getting stuck into the semi pros and less active freelancers. This has been a goldmine, the quality of the girls is right up there with the top gogo quality at times and its been delivery straight to the hotel room with the occasional night out with them. At the moment, I think the freelancers are the way to go, be it nightclubs or dating sites. Please bare in mind I am mid 40's too, and some of these girls have their age limits so they are picking their customers a bit more so maybe my experience is a bit skewed, I am not sure. SO if you are here a while, you can set yourself up like a king in no time. However if you don't have that time on the ground, its going to be a challenge unless you want to drop a lot of money.
11 - A lot of girls are going the freelance route now. They talk amongst themselves a ton, have their own chat groups and messaging groups, etc. Make no mistake they are organized. When you ask them why some of them who would be very popular at the gogos are not working there, or even a bar? Basically they are sick to death of the bullshit from the mamasans and the owners. Pressure to sell drinks, pressure to compete with other girls, pressure to dance for 8-10 hours, lots of drinking, fines for everything under the sun including days they can't work if they are sick. Inability to choose customers sometimes, endlessly bombarded with loud music. So they make a little less as freelancers, but they set their own hours and they also have tons of ways to meet men now. They are all active on social media, so they are constantly reeling men in. They also tend to get a lot of repeats which they all prefer.
I agree that with recession coming, the increasing cost of flights and the lack of tourism from Russia and China that the Thai tourism industry is in for a seriously difficult run the next few years. The Indians are not spending anything, and I think Pattaya as it is right now is going to put a lot of people off from returning too, especially for those of you who have been here a a few times and have expectations given prior experience.
Had 12 days here recently. Second trip here for me. This time was much better. Last trip was pre covid. A good tip for punters going here – download the Discord app. Doesn't work on apple devices – only android / google. Apple has some content restriction nonsense so annoyingly I couldn't open the app after downloading it onto my ipad. So had to use a windows PC – but the info is excellent and even shows photos of the current line up of girls working in each agogo / club / bar / gentleman's clubs. The guys on there also share great info of all sorts of things not just girls but on restaurants / taxis – literally everything. So to Trev who runs Discord – if you are reading this – thank you for your brilliant videos and informative app which really helped me and should be used for anyone going to Pattay. Seek Trev out on Buzzin Pattaya on YouTube.
Tree Town.
For me the best area overall. Lively, lots going on. Some great beer bars with fabulous live music.
One or two good karaoke bars if that's your thing. Tried Escape (set up by the Buzzin Pattaya crew) but didn't much like it. It tries to be a bit of everything and I'm not sure it works. Tree Town has the usual large offering of massage parlours and I tried several which were excellent and good value.
Several ladyboy bars. Not my bag but to each their own and I was definitely fooled several times. I learned this trip that the ladyboys are not at all offended if you ask outright if they are a ladyboy. But I did proposition girls on two occasions who I would never have believed were ladyboys – stunning, fabulous thin bodies and without the tell-tale signs of large hands / Adam's apple / low voice. Each time they whispered in my ear that they were LBs and I politely declined.
Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago. It still buzzes with hundreds of girls, many of them great options from mid afternoon until late. I had several sessions having just literally picked a girl from her looks on the street, straight inside, drink for her and me and off to the room upstairs. All good sessions. Prices were 1000 baht for the girl and 400 or sometimes 500 for the room. I didn't haggle. These prices compared to mongering in other parts of the world are unbelievably cheap. I try to respect that paying over the top increases the price for locals, so I did reject a couple of girls who tried it on with requests for 1500 bhat – and stayed firm on "I will go to the room right now if we agree 1000 baht but that's the price". On each such occasion the girl immediately conceded and off we went. On two occasions I gave a 250 baht tip after the event for great service.
Soi 7 is more relaxed that Soi 6 with some good options. A number of beer / pool bars, one in the middle of the street (Chor Leera) with a stunning little girl called Bee – she has a tattoo of her name on her arm. I insisted upon seeing her ID before I took her as she looks very young – but to my surprise she is 19. Body to die for but her service is "inexperienced" and I didn't repeat.
Decided out of no more than curiosity to visit The Castle – third road, almost on its own, which is a fetish club. You knock on the door and a pretty girl appears at the hatch to tell you it is 1000 baht just to enter – which will buy you one drink! Wow – expensive. So first time I politely declined and jumped on a bike back to Soi Lenkee – which also has some decent options. But my curiosity got the better of me and the next night I returned waving a 1000 baht note as the hatch was opened. You go inside to be greeted by about 10 girls all in sexy lingerie and you meet the Mistress – tall blonde Thai lady who is clearly not to be messed with. You get your drink and they position you on a seat for the start of the immediate personal show! Had not realised that was included in the price. They start tying a young pretty naked girl up in ropes and there are whips, canes, paddles and all sorts of equipment close by. Clearly inexperienced in the genre I tried to protest "please don't hurt that girl for me – I only wanted to come to see what this was all about". Not a good idea! Blonde Mistress orders all of the girls to their knees – by now 6 of them are topless. She turns to me and says "You are in my club. I am in charge now. Don't interrupt – just watch. " I lamely try to say this was meant to just be a bit of fun for me and can't we just have a drink and she howls laughing. 4 slaves are chosen by Mistress to remain kneeling but bend putting their asses in the air. She blasts out verbal orders and they all in unison scream "yes mistress". Whilst I was enjoying the sight of the four naked butts in front of me, I really wanted to halt the performance but realised that was not going to happen. Mistress proceeds to whip the asses of the four kneeling slaves and the breasts of the one tied up in ropes. Happily for me, she is pretty tame and it is clear this performance is not going to involve the girls suffering much pain. I was relieved at that, and when it was over.
I then got the guided tour of the place. There is every kind of implement, restraint, etc you can imagine. We get to the back of the club and to my surprise there is a naked guy tied up on a bench with his ass in the air. He was there all along without me noticing. As we approach the area where he was I tried to stop my host (the Mistress) saying I didn't want to intrude. Clearly not understanding the psyche of all of this she tells me he would not want me to miss out. She barks at him to request pain. He duly obliges and she selects a long bendy bamboo cane and must have cracked his ass with it no less than 20 times (I didn't count). Unlike with her female slaves there was no lack of effort this time and his ass was a mass of stripes quickly. I dared not attempt to intervene – she was not someone to pick an argument with – and in any event he appeared to be enjoying it!
Mistress takes to the bar, offers me another drink and asks whether I am sub or dom but suspects I am sub because I didn't want her slaves to be hurt. I know enough to know what this means but tell her that I really am not all that bothered about it and just was curious. This is clearly a disappointment to her. I think she quite fancied another bound guy to beat. She tells me that she thinks I would be more comfortable coming to the party on a Friday night. 1500 entry instead of 1000 but as many drinks as I want all night for free (not a bad deal) and shows every 30 minutes. She explains there will be at least 4 mistresses and one male Master. Wonderful (not! She said the club was busy with a lot of people – men and women on Fridays. I lied to her that this sounded a lot better for me as I would prefer to watch, and that I'll be back on Friday. I had no intention of returning but thought this was a polite way out until she asks me for a 500 deposit! I tell her that alas I need to check with pals if they will come to before I commit and I left. All very interesting and if domination / submission is your thing this is a very professional place where they are experts.
Back to the "normal" world. My main objective on this trip was to sample the Gentleman's clubs. I did a lot of research on them all from several of the excellent YouTube channels about them.
I won't report on every one of them – it would take a long time. But I tried M Club, Babylon, High Rollers, Maggie Mays, Camel Toe, Den, Purple Bar, The Cave and I suspect others I cannot remember. Without being unkind to any of them (I found Maggie Mays for example to be far too small), there is an absolute stand out club – High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings – all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables – one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. Fom – stunningly beautiful with a knockout body – at only 1000 baht for upstairs and 500 for the room, she was too good to resist and I had several excellent sessions with her. But then I did so with a lot of girls in there. Highlight of my trip was my last visit – arrived early afternoon and had no less than 8 rooms before I left that night – one threesome and my final room with my favourite 4 ladies (a first for me). I am too old to be popping more than once or twice a day but that didn't matter to me and I had sufficiently recovered from my afternoon pop to enjoy my final group session – not cheap but my farewell to Pattaya this trip in easily my favourite bar / gentleman's club.
Walking Street – not a lot has changed. Tried several of the agogo bars, some pretty girls. Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee.
Tried all three of the Honey soapies. For me, best of the three is Honey 2 which is North Pattaya next door to Siam hotel and not far from Terminal 21 mall. Great choices though far more expensive than in the above venues. Pricing system in colours. Red tag girls cheapest (from memory 2000 baht) up to the black tags (4000). So x4 prices of the other bars etc but still a great experience and I actually returned twice for Blue tag M155 who looked like Kim Kardashian without the huge butt and was truly 10/10 service.
Another fabulous trip to Pattaya. Whilst it is run down in many parts, and the beach is not that great, the options for mongering are truly unrivalled across the globe. Dubai is fantastic but x10 more expensive. On a value for money basis Pattaya is fantastic. I loved the Gentleman's clubs far more than I expected. Many reports say the girls are older and not so attractive so that when a really pretty girl stops getting picked in the agogos they move on to the gents clubs. That was not my experience at all. Maggie Mays and Camel Toe did have older and less pretty girls, but I found really pretty young girls in most of the clubs and High Rollers particularly so. The soapies are really good – not as good as the opulent ones in Bangkok but still good. The areas around LK Metro and Tree Town are great for a night out. For food, and live music try Malibrew – food was incredible and the artists very talented. Excellent. A bit out of it up in North Pattaya again but worth the inexpensive cab there and back into town. Or the Don Pepe Spanish tapas in town.
Until the next time.I agree with YngMong. You will not regret going. The options are just great.
Chimpo Chinn
10-19-22, 11:32
10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1's. We need Photos.
In Aug I walked up and down Soi 6 about 5 time,. Couldn't even spot a 5.
Counting Regular non Prostitutes, like in Shopping Centers never have I seen a 9 or ten in Pattaya.
ElMexicant
10-19-22, 14:01
"Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago."
Come on. Anybody that is in Pattaya can tell you 25% of the Soi 6 bars are closed. Dolls Agogo is missing on Soi 6. And there are way much less acceptable girls on Soi 6 than before. And before, it wasn't that great anyways.
"High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. From stunningly beautiful with a knockout body."
You know they do have a Facebook page, right? I've looked at it and my eyes hurt now.
"Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee."
No face. No name. No number. Was a song by Modern Talking. Still don't know what the hell they were singing about.
Meet Alina Lando who resides in Phuket. Anyways, just a reminder to what exactly a 10 looks likes before we start throwing that number around causally for Soi Pothole. It disrespects Alina and all the perfect 10's out there.
Mr Enternational
10-19-22, 15:01
Had 12 days here recently. Second trip here for me. This time was much better. Last trip was pre covid.Great report. I put it in the ROD thread. Many people have talked about wanting to go to The Castle, but this is the first time I have seen an actual report on it. That chick is a real player calling you out by asking for a deposit!
GentileBear
10-19-22, 16:18
Decided out of no more than curiosity to visit The Castle third road, almost on its own, which is a fetish club. Thank you for this report! I honestly. Laughed out loud reading this part about the S&M club- man oh man what a cool glimpse of the Sadistic Twists from your innocent eyes. I can only assume the "torture" is about as real as professional wrestling is or I would not be laughing. But either way your writing in this report was Epic!
Chimpo Chinn
10-19-22, 17:28
"Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago."
Come on. Anybody that is in Pattaya can tell you 25% of the Soi 6 bars are closed. Dolls Agogo is missing on Soi 6. And there are way much less acceptable girls on Soi 6 than before. And before, it wasn't that great anyways.
"High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. From stunningly beautiful with a knockout body."
You know they do have a Facebook page, right? I've looked at it and my eyes hurt now.
"Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee.I like your take on Looks. It matters.
Sundown Rodeo
10-19-22, 17:46
At mrInternational I 100% agree with you. I did 3 months remote working and booked to come back in 2 weeks but might swerve Pattaya. It's too cutthroat and pressure cooker for me now. Cleaners and bouncers even ask for drinks. What have you been using for the semi pro scene? I did ok with Thai friendly.
Enjoyed reading Mr. Roberts' latest update on the Pattaya ground truth. Good man!
"There have always been too many bars spread out all over, but at the moment the competition for girls is so fierce that its created bizarro world."
Pattaya has always had too many bars. But 10 years ago, the rents were lower. Today higher rents and fewer customers have killed all those little places run by older falangs as a hobby. The bigger and more commercial places survive, but it appears they're tilting away from the naughty boys, in favor of patrons who are happy to just buy drinks.
"I have come to realize that it's the two week millionaires that kept this place going. They are actually the lifeblood of the industry because they spend big and they pay the bills."
Very true. But efficient market theory teaches us that they are informed consumers. Forums like this, and cogent analysis by guys like Mr. Roberts, allow them to learn the latest just by scrolling on their phones.
They know very well that Pattaya is less of a punter playground now. It's teetering on the brink of becoming a place where the girls tease but don't deliver. Guys who seek out play-for-pay are acutely sensitive to this, because every single one has paid good money for a bad experience, or even worse gotten ripped off. The moment they perceive Pattaya venues as clip joints, they will abandon that destination most ricky-tick.
GO GO CLUBS ARE POOR VALUE FOR MONEY: "We are talking about prices that are starting to match Europe. You are going to be paying through the nose or waste time hunting for that gem that pops up from time to time -- 8 k-10 k all up. Add the hotel cost, food, flights and other expenses. If the go go clubs were full of women that could match any half decent FKK, Spanish bordello or Brazilian club I would say fine. But it's not at that level."
Over the past 36 months I've read dozens upon dozens of reports to this effect. I think it's fair to say this is the consensus view. For me, the most worrisome finding is that hot girls are not available at any price. The Naughty Boy planning a holiday can't help but be concerned, especially if lives far from Thailand.
GREEDY BAR OWNERS PRIORITIZE ALCOHOL SALES OVER EVERYTHING ELSE: "The pressure to sell drinks in some venues is fucking insane and it puts you off going into these venues. Its relentless, to the point where cleaning staff are hammering you. I know the owners need to start turning a buck, but this is not the way. I have not been back to walking street in two weeks, and even LK Metro it is out of control with it."
The bars sell two things: Alcohol and "companionship. " So long as the girls remain back in the village, it's the equivalent of all those Chinese factories closed by COVID, or those container ships anchored near harbors full of goods that aren't on store shelves. So the bars try to sell alcohol. But selling alcohol, especially at premium prices, requires some X Factor to attract patrons. Seriously, without the chance to get laid by a hottie for a cheap price is there ANY attraction to one of the many Nightwish bars on Soi Six? To a go go club blasting EDM and charging 150 or more for a bottle of Chang?
MORE AND MORE GIRLS WON'T BUDGE FROM THEIR BARSTOOLS: "Never thought I would see the day, but some girls in GC's and bars even on Soi 6 are drinks only. No idea why owners and managers think their customers are coming to speak broken English to bar girls who won't go ST or LT but this is becoming more and more frequent. Soi 6 has turned into a drinking alley more than a fucking alley."
So we have a semi-attractive girl dressed provocatively who teases guys with the prospect of a trip upstairs in order to keep him buying high priced drinks. Call it a "hostess bar," a "clip joint" a "bottakuri" or "the bottle service scam." But it's anathema to the Two Week Millionaire that has supported Pattaya for decades.
LODGING & FOOD BARGAINS: Accommodation, food and gyms, etc are all great and cheap as hell. And I always loved the people here. Beyond the sex industry Thailand has a lot to offer and still does, so I have enjoyed my time here immensely. It's tough not to just stick around if you can work remotely.
All true. But as Mr. Roberts explained, it's the Two Week Millionaires who support the naughty boy scene in Pattaya. If the only visitors are Digital Nomads and Thrifty Ex-Pats, the local economy will collapse.
LONG TERM VISITORS ARE HOOKING UP WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF GIRL: "I have been getting stuck into the semi pros and less active freelancers. This has been a goldmine, and it's been delivery straight to the room with the occasional night out. If you are here a while, you can set yourself up like a king. However if you don't have that time on the ground, it's going to be a challenge unless you want to drop a lot of money."
CAN YOU SAY "DISINTERMEDIATION?" "A lot of girls are going the freelance route now. They are sick to death of the bullshit from the mamasans and the owners. ".
For the past 50 years or so the worldwide economy has ruthlessly eliminated middlemen who don't add value. Who needs a regional sales manager? We can eliminate the manufacturer rep and sell direct! Sounds like the girls are doing the same.
Two problems, it seems to me: (1) Going out to the club or the bar and seeing the girl in the flesh is part of the fun for most naughty boys. Just my opinion, but sitting in my room and scrolling on my phone seems a little sad. Of course YMMV. (2) Choosing a girl online increases the risk of a bad experience. Mostly because of bait and switch, but also because of no-shows and really bad attitudes. In the bar or club you can see the girl in person and assess her demeanor. I will say that if you find somebody you like in the club, it's silly simple to book repeats via Line.
WHO WILL BE THE MARGINAL BUYER GOING FORWARD? "With recession coming, the increasing cost of flights and the lack of tourism from Russia and China the Thai tourism industry is in for a difficult run. The Indians are not spending anything, and I think Pattaya as it is right now is going to put a lot of people off."
The USA Dollar is trading at about 38 to the Baht, which is the strongest Dollar in years. Compared to, say, 30/$ that's 27% more Baht to the dollar. Might the American Punter be the naughty boy who saves Pattaya?
The USA Dollar is trading at about 38 to the Baht, which is the strongest Dollar in years. Compared to, say, 30/$ that's 27% more Baht to the dollar. Might the American Punter be the naughty boy who saves Pattaya?Absolutely not. I'm still on ground two months in an I'll tell you that the other members are correct in saying that the pricing has matched and even surpassed the equivalent quality of girl that can be had in Colombia, Peurto Rico, Dominican Rep, Mexico, or Brazil which all offer MUCH shorter flights, cheaper flights, and friendlier time zone shift for digital nomads to work remotely.
Nobody from the usa will want to continue to fly 22-34 expensive hours just to shift 11 hours time zone for mediocre pussy at above average prices. The only thing keeping Thailand as good value is that it is unrivaled for quality cheaper accommodation, fast cheap internet, and good cheap food compared to europe, africa, and latin america. This is advantageous for the 3 month stay tourist, but the 2 week millionaire gets way more bang for the buck closer to home.
Depending on what city in the USA, the cost analysis for time, travel, and accommodation even lends to the falling price of pussy in the USA. You can have your top level favorite IG model, mid level porn star, or music video stripper at home in Miami, Atlanta, vegas, or Houston for the equivalent time and cost of coming all the way to pattaya. Hell, if you only have a week its much cheaper faster and higher quality to head to Dubai and make rounds or hit Germany and make rounds of FKK and red lights with much more high quality opportunities.
Thailand really only makes sense for americans if you are minimum three weeks stay or if you already have a thai girlfriend and aren't going to be wasting a lot of money bar hopping. i've met a number of american guys who are retired here and they all are basically begging for me to move here permanently because they are bored and not meeting a lot of new people anymore. I probably won't be returning after i leave next month. The value is not here and pattaya is boring to death after you get tired of the clubs, bars, and drinking. there's nothing at all to do unless you enjoy going to the movies watching harry potter and spider man re-released 10 year old movies at the theaters everyday.
I am still on the ground here in Pattaya, you can see some of my previous posts and my opinion has not changed much. I agree with you, Pattaya is not what it was and its in a lot of trouble.
There have always been too many bars spread out all over the show, but at the moment the competition for girls is so fierce that its created bizarro world. My intention is not to put people off, its mostly to provide some perspective so that you can adjust expectations and perhaps consider what your game plan should be based on how much time you would have if you travel here.
I would like to add some general updates based on what I am seeing and hearing given the additional time I have had here too. I'm out of here in two weeks, so its ended up being a good 2.5 months in Pattaya. I'll be going over old ground in some cases, but my view has been solidified for the most part that this place is past its prime and I am not sure how it actually recovers either. Normally I am a two week millionaire type, but I have changed things up given the longer amount of time I have spent in country. I have come to realize talking to the girls, bar managers and owners / staff of various businesses that its the two week millionaires that kept this place going. As much as the old cheap charlies and expats complain about the pricing pressure they create, in reality they were actually the lifeblood for a lot of the industry because they spend big and they pay the bills.
1 - The gogos are a fucked. I love thai women and asian women, but there is simply no way I can justify paying these sorts of barfines and prices. Not to mention the LD quotas. I am not short of a buck and not a budget traveller, but we are talking about prices that are starting to match Europe. Beautiful thai women are up there with women from all over the world, but the ratios have never been in their favour like they are in Eastern Europe and Latin America either...Excellent report. And as someone who has been in Thailand the last three months, I can corroborate your points. I'm also like you leaving Thailand and returning home within a week or two. It's been a fun ride.
"Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago."
Come on. Anybody that is in Pattaya can tell you 25% of the Soi 6 bars are closed. Dolls Agogo is missing on Soi 6. And there are way much less acceptable girls on Soi 6 than before. And before, it wasn't that great anyways.
"High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. From stunningly beautiful with a knockout body."
You know they do have a Facebook page, right? I've looked at it and my eyes hurt now.
"Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee.".Thanks for cleaning this up, 9's and 10's basically don't exist and if you actually see one, you never forget her face. So yes, guys throwing out that this and that place have 9's and 10's is hilarious. We all have different standards but let's be real, Pattaya at this moment probably has no 10's and a few 9's who are so entitled that they won't session anyways.
Absolutely not. I'm still on ground two months in an I'll tell you that the other members are correct in saying that the pricing has matched and even surpassed the equivalent quality of girl that can be had in Colombia, Peurto Rico, Dominican Rep, Mexico, or Brazil which all offer MUCH shorter flights, cheaper flights, and friendlier time zone shift for digital nomads to work remotely.
Nobody from the usa will want to continue to fly 22-34 expensive hours just to shift 11 hours time zone for mediocre pussy at above average prices. The only thing keeping Thailand as good value is that it is unrivaled for quality cheaper accommodation, fast cheap internet, and good cheap food compared to europe, africa, and latin america. This is advantageous for the 3 month stay tourist, but the 2 week millionaire gets way more bang for the buck closer to home.
Depending on what city in the USA, the cost analysis for time, travel, and accommodation even lends to the falling price of pussy in the USA. You can have your top level favorite IG model, mid level porn star, or music video stripper at home in Miami, Atlanta, vegas, or Houston for the equivalent time and cost of coming all the way to pattaya. Hell, if you only have a week its much cheaper faster and higher quality to head to Dubai and make rounds or hit Germany and make rounds of FKK and red lights with much more high quality opportunities..I'm also American and have been in Thailand almost 3 months and thoroughly been enjoying the exchange rate.
I haven't mongered in the US since pre-covid as prices became outrageous. So I decided to take a look at current 1 hour ST prices back home in the US.
I put the average 1 hour price at $400. Conversely, average price in Pattaya for one hour is about 1,500 baht which is about $40.
Thus, it is approximately 10 times cheaper for an ST session here in Thailand than in the US. This doesn't even take into account.
That sessions are much higher quality with Thai girls than American girls given western women's entitlement. Additionally,
You have complete safety when you session here in Thailand by bringing a girl to your room whereas in the US you have to worry about.
A potential sting or ambush at wherever the girl is hosting as you certainly aren't hosting at your own private residence.
So yea Thailand is still extreme value compared to the US and most of the world. I still don't think ST in Thailand should be on avg.
Around 1,500 baht, should be 1,000; but overall hard to complain.
"Soi 6 hasn't changed at all in my view from several years ago."
Come on. Anybody that is in Pattaya can tell you 25% of the Soi 6 bars are closed. Dolls Agogo is missing on Soi 6. And there are way much less acceptable girls on Soi 6 than before. And before, it wasn't that great anyways.
"High Rollers. It is slightly more expensive (drinks) than the other clubs but it was fabulous. You enter to gold pillars and surroundings all very over the top but the quality of the girls in this place was, for me, better than in any of its rivals and moreover, better than most of the agogos on Walking Street. Two great pool tables one downstairs the other upstairs, staff are mega friendly (though that was true everywhere). Some of the girls in HRs are 9's and 10/10's. From stunningly beautiful with a knockout body."
You know they do have a Facebook page, right? I've looked at it and my eyes hurt now.
"Actually did not consider (as has been reported) that Pin Up had the best talent. For me, one girl in Palace stood out and I BFd her. But as others have reported, I didn't like that a lot of people walk along WS with phones lifted up videoing all that was going on. I restricted myself to two visits mainly because I much preferred LK Metro and Tree Town or Buakhao / Pothole and even Lenkee.".She is super hot like an Asian Marylyn Monroe!
Absolutely not. I'm still on ground two months in an I'll tell you that the other members are correct in saying that the pricing has matched and even surpassed the equivalent quality of girl that can be had in Colombia, Peurto Rico, Dominican Rep, Mexico, or Brazil which all offer MUCH shorter flights, cheaper flights, and friendlier time zone shift for digital nomads to work remotely.
Nobody from the usa will want to continue to fly 22-34 expensive hours just to shift 11 hours time zone for mediocre pussy at above average prices. The only thing keeping Thailand as good value is that it is unrivaled for quality cheaper accommodation, fast cheap internet, and good cheap food compared to europe, africa, and latin america. This is advantageous for the 3 month stay tourist, but the 2 week millionaire gets way more bang for the buck closer to home.
Depending on what city in the USA, the cost analysis for time, travel, and accommodation even lends to the falling price of pussy in the USA. You can have your top level favorite IG model, mid level porn star, or music video stripper at home in Miami, Atlanta, vegas, or Houston for the equivalent time and cost of coming all the way to pattaya. Hell, if you only have a week its much cheaper faster and higher quality to head to Dubai and make rounds or hit Germany and make rounds of FKK and red lights with much more high quality opportunities..Disagree. There is a huge value prop to Thailand for a US based person like myself. I usually spend 1 week in country twice a year. I travel business class for 120-140 K points miles + $50 fees round trip. I use Marriott for a few nights at the St Regis, or cash outlay $100 nights at the JW. I spend a couple of nights in Pattaya at the Hilton or IC for points /$125/ night cash. All of my stays have club access due to status, so meals / drinks are comped. I can go to a Michelin starred restaurant in BKK for less than $80 for the meal / drinks.
At current exchange rates a BBBJ / CIM at a BJ bar is $20 for pretty much as long you want to hold out. A Soi 6 session with a couple of drinks will set you back perhaps $55, again almost always semi PSE with BBBJ / CIM. Even a night at a Go-Go with drinks and barfine / ST session with shouldn't run over $150. $150 might get you a couple of drinks and couple lap dances at a club in Atl. A PSE Oily in BKK costs $125 for two ladies for 2 hours. You couldn't touch that last item in the states for less than $500-1000 if you don't want opiate addicts or meth heads.
My last trip to BKK / Pattaya a month ago for 7 days cost me $2,174 all in. Business class miles flight, 5-star hotels (4 nights out of pocket), taxis, 2 Michelin starred meals, and most importantly - 13 different ST interludes with 22 pops total. Even without points / miles I could do a week in-country flying economy, AirBnbing, being a bit more frugal meal-wise, and still have 10-12ST interludes and keep myself under $3,000 with each additional week maybe running me $700-800 going at full tilt.
Athens is the only other place that I have found that even comes close on value and mongering availability. You can catch a economy flight for sub $650 from the US, Airbnb for $40/ night, food is cheap, and go to Filis for 20 E a short session, 50-80 E for 20-30 min at a studio, or 80 E at massage place for 1 hour, 2 pops, perhaps even A+, and a half way decent massage. Also, outcalled, hot higher talent eastern EU / South American escorts who are mostly solid 8/9's for 140 E an hour. Upcharged to CIM and A+ for 200 E total. That same service / quality is 2-3 x cost in Dubai. (With a whole lot less attitude).
The German FKK / UAE is still going to be 10-16 hours of travel time and cost twice as much apples to apples. And there is not much of difference between 11 hours and 6-8 hours of time shift. South America / Caribbean is great if you are a proficient / native Spanish speaker, otherwise it is daunting at best and can feel pretty unsafe in any case compared to Thailand.
Hey, if a person hates airplanes and can't handle jet-lag, this hobby might not be a good fit. In my experience, it is hard to match the cost / value of Asian pussy arbitrage.
Wayne Roberts
10-20-22, 08:01
Enjoyed reading Mr. Roberts' latest update on the Pattaya ground truth. Good man!
LONG TERM VISITORS ARE HOOKING UP WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF GIRL: "I have been getting stuck into the semi pros and less active freelancers. This has been a goldmine, and it's been delivery straight to the room with the occasional night out. If you are here a while, you can set yourself up like a king. However if you don't have that time on the ground, it's going to be a challenge unless you want to drop a lot of money."
CAN YOU SAY "DISINTERMEDIATION?" "A lot of girls are going the freelance route now. They are sick to death of the bullshit from the mamasans and the owners. ".
For the past 50 years or so the worldwide economy has ruthlessly eliminated middlemen who don't add value. Who needs a regional sales manager? We can eliminate the manufacturer rep and sell direct! Sounds like the girls are doing the same.
Two problems, it seems to me: (1) Going out to the club or the bar and seeing the girl in the flesh is part of the fun for most naughty boys. Just my opinion, but sitting in my room and scrolling on my phone seems a little sad. Of course YMMV. (2) Choosing a girl online increases the risk of a bad experience. Mostly because of bait and switch, but also because of no-shows and really bad attitudes. In the bar or club you can see the girl in person and assess her demeanor. I will say that if you find somebody you like in the club, it's silly simple to book repeats via Line.I agree that when it comes to home delivery you rarely know what you are going to get. At least when you are meeting girls at bars and clubs you can see if there is any chemistry and get a better sense for them and look at them. Freelancers out of the nightclubs do reduce that risk, but beyond that there are going to be hits and misses. The hits though are home runs, and you can build up a wide harem that will keep you quite busy in a short amount of time. I have got some absolute firecrackers on the go here right now. Thing is this is not specific to Thailand, it would be the case in almost any country you go to. You can set yourself up this way almost anywhere in Asia or Latin America when you have time, so this is not something that Thailand has to offer that other destinations do not. Most people have short trips, and this is just not a practical or feasible approach if you are short on time.
The biggest warning sign for Pattaya though is the comments from the freelancers I am hearing and even the girls still in the venues, and I really do need to emphasize this.
Pattaya, and Thailand's sex industry is really based on the choices you have in venues and experiences. Oilies, soapies, gogos, beer bars, gentlemen's clubs, freelancers, massage shops. This is why most people are coming. If these girls are sick to death of the nonsense that comes with working at these venues, and they live in an age of social media where they don't need the foot traffic to find customers, then its another body blow for the venue operators themselves as both girls and customers gradually decide to just look at alternatives as the experience declines. This is starting to accelerate now, and Covid was pedal to floor in 5th gear I think.
Most of the girls hate pestering customers for drinks all day, and they know its pissing people off. They also don't want to drink all day either, they know its bad for their health and many customers apparently get quite agitated when the girls are drinking soft drinks rather than alcohol with them. So when you combine that with all the other nonsense and the high barfines that see them not getting chosen that often, its no wonder they are struggling to get the girls to come back too. They seem to want to operate like its still 2002 rather than 2022. So its not just the slim pickings with girls as it is for the punters, the venues themselves are gradually turning into places that are a headache to even visit in the first place.
Its in a death spiral now and I am not sure if they know this or are powerless to stop it. It can be summed up like this:
- The venues are forced to pay higher salaries to attract girls as there is so much competition for them (All of them, not just gogos).
- The girls don't need to put up with venue owner and mamasan bullshit like they used to, they can freelance easily or find other work easily.
- To cover those salaries they need the girls to sell drinks.
- The need to sell drinks has pushed up BF rates to discourage early take out, which has changed the dynamic completely.
- Which means the girls are not getting BF'ed as often, so they now rely on commissions and salary as their primary source of income.
- To keep their salaries and job, they need to hit drink quotas, so they come at the customers hard and move on quickly if the drinks are not flowing.
- The girls hate it, the punters hate it, all the trade is rapidly being being consolidated into a fewer venues while the rest are struggling.
This is a classic industry death spiral. Thing is, now that Thailand is open trade is up, albeit it shit but still up. And because its trending up, the venue operators are likely assuming that things are going to get back to normal soon and things will continue to trend back up, so they are unlikely to change how they are operating. I hope their optimism is correct because I would love to see Pattaya return to what it used to be. I would take 50% of what it used to be. I just don't think that its going to turn out this way, and I think the short term thinking with the owners playing catch up is going to bite them in the ass long term.
Another example is the soapies. I have been meeting girls who used to work at them, but have since stopped. Anyone who has been in them knows the quality of these girls tends to be on the very high side by Thai standards, so they are never going to struggle to find a place to work and there are some knock outs in these venues. Tons of them are freelancing now too though, and what has accelerated it was the desperation of the owners of these venues. They were so desperate for customers that they have been running package deals with tour operators for the Indian tourists. Instead of it being the usual routine of bath, mat play with body wash and then move to the bed for sex, they now offer discounts for Indian groups who are not exactly going to pay traditional soapie prices. Its straight to the bed with the girls without the initial routine, justifying the discount. The girls are expected to see a minimum of 6 people a day before they can go home, and they have basically been turned into knock shops with a fishbowl. Until you see it you won't believe it, but they are dropping off Indian tour groups in mini busses. The expectation is that all the girls that are there are going to have to accept the fact that they are going to get run through a minimum of 6 times a day if they want to leave before their 12 hour shift ends.
Its just crazy shit like this everywhere.
I see no reason for Europeans or Americans to travel here given the options elsewhere at the moment if sex is a major reason for your travel. I am in Brazil at the end of the year, so perhaps my view will change but as it stands right now I am unlikely to return to Thailand anytime soon for anything but business. I have to think that the industry shakes things out and maybe this high season will sort things out if the tourists come back I just don't think its going to be anywhere near the level this place needs at all. The industry is going to have to consolidate a ton if its going to survive, and the venue owners need to start getting a bit more creative with the business models they have in place, because this is not working. How that's done I don't know.
PayFotIt's report was interesting, its great to see people still having a good time rather than everyone being so jaded by the place too. In saying that I went into High Rollers, and there is not a single 8 there, let alone 9's or 10's. If you can find a 9 or 10 in that place then Thailand is going to be a goldmine for you with all the cheap sex still on offer with single mothers whose bodies have been ravaged by baby damage, shitty diets and excessive alcohol consumption. By Thai standards of the past, the lineup at High Rollers would not even get a mention its beer bar level. Soi Pothole is a talent wasteland at the moment I am sorry to say.
RakSopheni
10-20-22, 16:13
Nobody from the usa will want to continue to fly 22-34 expensive hours just to shift 11 hours time zone for mediocre pussy at above average prices.I'm not sure what this guy is talking about. On my recent trip I was getting attractive spinners in the afternoon off Thai Friendly for uncovered CIP for 1000-2000 baht and then hitting Soi 6 or another club area at night for the equivalent quality girls for roughly the same price. If you are talking about GoGo's or Walking street- sure not the greatest value- but nobody who is not a first time tourist really goes to those places.
Only thing I will agree with is that you need to have 3 weeks minimum, but I'm usually traveling for 3 months so its no problem.
I'm also American and have been in Thailand almost 3 months and thoroughly been enjoying the exchange rate.
I haven't mongered in the US since pre-covid as prices became outrageous. So I decided to take a look at current 1 hour ST prices back home in the US.
I put the average 1 hour price at $400. Conversely, average price in Pattaya for one hour is about 1,500 baht which is about $40.
Thus, it is approximately 10 times cheaper for an ST session here in Thailand than in the US. This doesn't even take into account.
That sessions are much higher quality with Thai girls than American girls given western women's entitlement. Additionally,
You have complete safety when you session here in Thailand by bringing a girl to your room whereas in the US you have to worry about..I replied with something similar but it got lost in the ether. Asian pussy arbitrage is still a fabulous value compared to the US. And lets face it, $400/ hour here will still probably get you a CBJ and a mediocre attitude. Too many punters willing to pay outrageous $$ for online live wanking, which is driving X% of available talent off the escort market. Safety, openness, wide-spread English use, and availability is a huge advantage for Thailand. Athens is the only EU city that I have found that offers comparable value / safety / open availability.
A premium economy ticket to BKK will run $1400-1700 from Ord / Lax / NYC. That is the equivalent of 2 quality short time sessions in the US. I used miles for business class on my last 7 day trip to BKK / Pattaya, but outside of that I spent a total of $2,174 - I stayed at 5 star hotels, had two Michelin restaurant meals, drank well, and had 12ST interludes with 20+ pops. Came home jet lagged and happily exhausted.
Its just crazy shit like this everywhere.
I see no reason for Europeans or Americans to travel here given the options elsewhere at the moment if sex is a major reason for your travel. I am in Brazil at the end of the year, so perhaps my view will change but as it stands right now I am unlikely to return to Thailand anytime soon for anything but business. I have to think that the industry shakes things out and maybe this high season will sort things out if the tourists come back I just don't think its going to be anywhere near the level this place needs at all. The industry is going to have to consolidate a ton if its going to survive, and the venue owners need to start getting a bit more creative with the business models they have in place, because this is not working. How that's done I don't know.
PayFotIt's report was interesting, its great to see people still having a good time rather than everyone being so jaded by the place too. In saying that I went into High Rollers, and there is not a single 8 there, let alone 9's or 10's. If you can find a 9 or 10 in that place then Thailand is going to be a goldmine for you with all the cheap sex still on offer with single mothers whose bodies have been ravaged by baby damage, shitty diets and excessive alcohol consumption. By Thai standards of the past, the lineup at High Rollers would not even get a mention its beer bar level. Soi Pothole is a talent wasteland at the moment I am sorry to say.It's really interesting to me to read the lamenting going on.
OMG. It's called macroeconomics.
Thailand's real GDP has grown from $1900/ per capita to $7500/ per capita since 2001 or about 400%. People are wealthier there now and there is more opportunity for the young women inside and outside the sex industry. The avg western OECD country per capita GDP has grown by 70-100% in the same period.
This isn't hard stuff. It's easy to see that prices will go up, and / or quality will go down for services. The pushing of drinks is a reaction to this. Like you said, rent / overhead / talent prices have increased and to keep margin, the owners have to raise revenue to offset it. They can't go crazy with the barfines or the girls won't come, and raising patron drink prices keep mongers out.
I am lucky, my income has increased 9 X since 2001, so comparatively I still find it obscenely cheap.
I'm not sure what this guy is talking about. On my recent trip I was getting attractive spinners in the afternoon off Thai Friendly for uncovered CIP for 1000-2000 baht and then hitting Soi 6 or another club area at night for the equivalent quality girls for roughly the same price. If you are talking about GoGo's or Walking street- sure not the greatest value- but nobody who is not a first time tourist really goes to those places.
Only thing I will agree with is that you need to have 3 weeks minimum, but I'm usually traveling for 3 months so its no problem.2000 thb is currently 53 euros which is more than a german FKK model of 50 EU or red light dist girl of 30 EU. Maybe you've just not traveled around the world enough, but 2000 for a thai spinner costs too much once you factor in the flight cost and travel inconvenience.
I'm also American and have been in Thailand almost 3 months and thoroughly been enjoying the exchange rate.
I haven't mongered in the US since pre-covid as prices became outrageous. So I decided to take a look at current 1 hour ST prices back home in the US.
I put the average 1 hour price at $400. Conversely, average price in Pattaya for one hour is about 1,500 baht which is about $40.
Thus, it is approximately 10 times cheaper for an ST session here in Thailand than in the US. This doesn't even take into account.
That sessions are much higher quality with Thai girls than American girls given western women's entitlement. Additionally,
You have complete safety when you session here in Thailand by bringing a girl to your room whereas in the US you have to worry about.
A potential sting or ambush at wherever the girl is hosting as you certainly aren't hosting at your own private residence.
So yea Thailand is still extreme value compared to the US and most of the world. I still don't think ST in Thailand should be on avg.
Around 1,500 baht, should be 1,000; but overall hard to complain.I'm going to assume you are from California hence your tagline, but in Atlanta where I live $400 per hour is porn star prices. Girls in Atlanta of the quality of soi 6 girls are going to cost you $80 - $150 per hour in ATL. A $400 girl in ATL is basically the same as going to one of those walking street russian gogos and getting the best girl in there. So again, factoring the plane ticket and inconvenience and prices are comparable. I can't speak for the west coast though.
As far as the safety concerns you are correct, but again, I will restate that there are other destinations closer to home in the caribean and latin America that offer the same safety and value as thailand with better looking women.
$150 might get you a couple of drinks and couple lap dances at a club in Atl.I live in Atlanta and this is a completely laughable statement. You are definitely doing it wrong. User error. As far as your argument that you comp your travel for free, it is a logical fallacy when it pertains to this discussion of the general traveler cost analysis.
Mr Enternational
10-20-22, 19:08
I live in Atlanta and this is a completely laughable statement. You are definitely doing it wrong. User error.Definitely laughable. I am from Atlanta and I know that you can fuck the strippers at certain strip clubs for $40.
RakSopheni
10-20-22, 19:21
2000 thb is currently 53 euros which is more than a german FKK model of 50 EU or red light dist girl of 30 EU. Maybe you've just not traveled around the world enough, but 2000 for a thai spinner costs too much once you factor in the flight cost and travel inconvenience.And 1000 thb, which was the price of one of my regulars and probably the girl I had the most sex with, is $26. She would usually come late, but we would always hang out after sex and she became a friend. Nice girl, I bought her a new phone before she left for Koh Samui. In total, I'd probably spend several. Multiples more on an American civilian girlfriend- that is if I could get one that is 23 years younger than me.
I've traveled extensively with mongering trips to Mexico, Curacao, Dominican Republic, Colombia, Brazil, Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Never mongered in Europe but from the aforementioned list, Pattaya, Thailand is my #1 destination with Rio de Janeiro as #2. Pattaya is still a great deal- it's likely that Colombia is slightly more cost effective but tbh I've never had much fun mongering in Bogota or Medellin- too much hassle.
If you don't like Pattaya, that's fine- we won't need to be bothered with anymore posting from you then.
RS.
I live in Atlanta and this is a completely laughable statement. You are definitely doing it wrong. User error. As far as your argument that you comp your travel for free, it is a logical fallacy when it pertains to this discussion of the general traveler cost analysis.Lived in ATL for 9 years. Of course my rule of thumb is discretion doesn't stop until I am at least 200 miles from the flagpole.
Not a logical fallacy: The math still works.
Flight from ORD / NYC / LAX - $750.
7 days Airbnb - $300.
Transport - $80.
Food = $100.
Xport and board = $1300.
Mongering - 2 x ST sessions a day (Probably 20 pops if up to it) 1700 be /$45 each (Combo of Soi Six / Freelancer w / drinks).
Total Mongering = $650.
Total all in $2000 for 14 sessions. Or $140/ session.
Thai sessions. BBBJ / CIM standard and many times with A+/ Rimming. You generally get an Issan girl who is most times submissive and has been raised to please men.
US session. BBBJ / CIM large upcharge if available at all, A+/ Rim very few and far between with a US chick with lots of entitled attitude.
Even if you can find a US chick for sub $150/ hour, (who is not an opiate fiend or meth head) the intangibles such as safety / legality / shitting where you eat / performance still pushes the value prop to Asia or other 2nd /3rd world countries.
2000 thb is currently 53 euros which is more than a german FKK model of 50 EU or red light dist girl of 30 EU. Maybe you've just not traveled around the world enough, but 2000 for a thai spinner costs too much once you factor in the flight cost and travel inconvenience.You left off the 50 E FKK entry fee. The 50 E FKK model will nickel and dime you for every extra. BBBJ 50 E, CIM 50 E, DATY 50 E, A+ 50-100 E. The Red light district girl will do the same.
I guess if it's just looks / body and a person is satisfied / able to pop via normal 1-2 position 10-30 min session with a condom, then most EU redlights will do just fine. For multiple PSE sessions over a week or two time, it's very hard to beat Thailand's value.
For some people flying / traveling is a hassle or painful, I spend the first 10 yeas of my military career flying in the back of see-130 at a max of 275 knots. So sitting in a nice warm fully pressurized cabin, even in economy is not very hard.
Alex Alexa
10-21-22, 01:34
Thanks for cleaning this up, 9's and 10's basically don't exist and if you actually see one, you never forget her face. So yes, guys throwing out that this and that place have 9's and 10's is hilarious. We all have different standards but let's be real, Pattaya at this moment probably has no 10's and a few 9's who are so entitled that they won't session anyways.9's and 10's are for Thai Elite.
We get the Girls who couldn't make the Junior Varsity Football Team. No offenses.
And 1000 thb, which was the price of one of my regulars and probably the girl I had the most sex with, is $26. She would usually come late, but we would always hang out after sex and she became a friend. Nice girl, I bought her a new phone before she left for Koh Samui. In total, I'd probably spend several. Multiples more on an American civilian girlfriend- that is if I could get one that is 23 years younger than me.
I've traveled extensively with mongering trips to Mexico, Curacao, Dominican Republic, Colombia, Brazil, Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Never mongered in Europe but from the aforementioned list, Pattaya, Thailand is my #1 destination with Rio de Janeiro as #2. Pattaya is still a great deal- it's likely that Colombia is slightly more cost effective but tbh I've never had much fun mongering in Bogota or Medellin- too much hassle.
If you don't like Pattaya, that's fine- we won't need to be bothered with anymore posting from you then.
RS.If you can't talk to American women the same as thai women, then leave your false equivalent arguments out of it. Your view of "multiples more on an American civilian girlfriend" are completely your own fault, not a general rule. Plenty of American women are having sex for free, especially the ones who are of the same quality of a soi 6 girl or girls on TF. There are dozens of dating apps just like TF that have mid and low level American girls looking to get laid. You've made up in your own mind that this is too expensive for you, but it's not the reality at all.
This discussion is about the set costs of bars/clubs/and pay for play in different regions. Once people start factoring in their hai "girlfriends" then there is not way to quantify anything at all. I'm currently in pattay and have 2 "girlfriends" that I don't pay AT ALL for sex, not even $1000 baht. But I'm not in here trying to use that as justification of why pattaya is cheaper because one girl works soi 6 making guys like you pay then uses that money to go grocery shopping and cook breakfast for me the next day. or my other gf who is a restaurant waitress comes from work in the evenings with my dinner from her own pocket money because she enjoys netflix and chill and not being a sex worker.
I have fuck buddies/ friends with benefits back in Atlanta too that I don't pay at all. Girlfriends are NOT the discussion guy.
Lived in ATL for 9 years. Of course my rule of thumb is discretion doesn't stop until I am at least 200 miles from the flagpole.
Not a logical fallacy: The math still works.
Flight from ORD / NYC / LAX - $750.
7 days Airbnb - $300.
Transport - $80.
Food = $100.
Xport and board = $1300.
Mongering - 2 x ST sessions a day (Probably 20 pops if up to it) 1700 be /$45 each (Combo of Soi Six / Freelancer w / drinks).
Total Mongering = $650.
Total all in $2000 for 14 sessions. Or $140/ session.
Thai sessions. BBBJ / CIM standard and many times with A+/ Rimming. You generally get an Issan girl who is most times submissive and has been raised to please men.
US session. BBBJ / CIM large upcharge if available at all, A+/ Rim very few and far between with a US chick with lots of entitled attitude.
Even if you can find a US chick for sub $150/ hour, (who is not an opiate fiend or meth head) the intangibles such as safety / legality / shitting where you eat / performance still pushes the value prop to Asia or other 2nd /3rd world countries.It's a logical fallacy because your individual points rewards situation does not apply to the average punter traveler's budget. It's not even worth discussing in general cost analysis of the conversation. The only thing I can agree with you on is the shitting where you eat part having a cost but only each individual can quantify that cost depending on their own personal situation.
You left off the 50 E FKK entry fee. The 50 E FKK model will nickel and dime you for every extra. BBBJ 50 E, CIM 50 E, DATY 50 E, A+ 50-100 E. The Red light district girl will do the same.
I guess if it's just looks / body and a person is satisfied / able to pop via normal 1-2 position 10-30 min session with a condom, then most EU redlights will do just fine. For multiple PSE sessions over a week or two time, it's very hard to beat Thailand's value.
For some people flying / traveling is a hassle or painful, I spend the first 10 yeas of my military career flying in the back of see-130 at a max of 275 knots. So sitting in a nice warm fully pressurized cabin, even in economy is not very hard.The 50 E FKK entry fee includes free food, free beer and soft drinks, and free use of the rooms for boom boom, plus in many places sauna, steam room, and showers. How much does all of that cost in Pattaya? Add up all of those 150 baht changs that you don't have to pay for plus not having to pay for lady drinks and the 50 E FKK entry fee is still a bargain compared to equivalent costs in pattaya.
2000 thb is currently 53 euros which is more than a german FKK model of 50 EU or red light dist girl of 30 EU. Maybe you've just not traveled around the world enough, but 2000 for a thai spinner costs too much once you factor in the flight cost and travel inconvenience.I was there last month and I can tell you that the 50 Euros session is a thing of the past. It is now commonly 100 Euros for a 30 min session, plus the extras if one chooses to partake.
RakSopheni
10-21-22, 02:29
But I'm not in here trying to use that as justification of why pattaya is cheaper because one girl works soi 6 making guys like you pay then uses that money to go grocery shopping and cook breakfast for me the next day. or my other gf who is a restaurant waitress comes from work in the evenings with my dinner from her own pocket money because she enjoys netflix and chill and not being a sex worker.
I have fuck buddies/ friends with benefits back in Atlanta too that I don't pay at all. Is anyone else confused why a Mega-Chad Sex God would be complaining in a P4 P forum that Pattaya is too expensive and poor value while supposedly getting endless free sex in Pattaya from "non-sex workers" because- you know. Mega Chad Sex God? Personally I would be hyping the city up if that was my designation. To start with I wouldn't go all the way around the world to date supposed civilian waitresses in a city known for sex workers- but maybe I do things bass-ackwards or am not just looking for an argument. To each their own.
I'm going to assume you are from California hence your tagline, but in Atlanta where I live $400 per hour is porn star prices. Girls in Atlanta of the quality of soi 6 girls are going to cost you $80 - $150 per hour in ATL. A $400 girl in ATL is basically the same as going to one of those walking street russian gogos and getting the best girl in there. So again, factoring the plane ticket and inconvenience and prices are comparable. I can't speak for the west coast though.
As far as the safety concerns you are correct, but again, I will restate that there are other destinations closer to home in the caribean and latin America that offer the same safety and value as thailand with better looking women.ATL ass sounds a lot cheaper than Cali ass. Of course Cali is more expensive than everywhere. The nice thing for guys on the west coast is Tijuana is right there, that's what got me through the pandemic days as the Mexico land border never closed.
Alex Alexa
10-21-22, 03:01
Camel Toe Unlocked per Facebook. Take a look.
Full of 9's and 10's, all nude all the time, Best bargin in Gentleman s Clubs.
Is anyone else confused why a Mega-Chad Sex God would be complaining in a P4 P forum that Pattaya is too expensive and poor value while supposedly getting endless free sex in Pattaya from "non-sex workers" because- you know. Mega Chad Sex God? Personally I would be hyping the city up if that was my designation. To start with I wouldn't go all the way around the world to date supposed civilian waitresses in a city known for sex workers- but maybe I do things bass-ackwards or am not just looking for an argument. To each their own.I have to agree with this. If you're a Chad / Tyrone getting sex for free in your western country, then why are you a monger abroad?
Let's be honest, most punters are punters because they can't sniff an ass back home, so the only alternative is punting. I'm not ashamed to admit that's why I punt.
But if I was a Chad back home I wouldn't be basing where I travel to on where I can punt.
Alex Alexa
10-21-22, 03:06
Is anyone else confused why a Mega-Chad Sex God would be complaining in a P4 P forum that Pattaya is too expensive and poor value while supposedly getting endless free sex in Pattaya from "non-sex workers" because- you know. Mega Chad Sex God? Personally I would be hyping the city up if that was my designation. To start with I wouldn't go all the way around the world to date supposed civilian waitresses in a city known for sex workers- but maybe I do things bass-ackwards or am not just looking for an argument. To each their own.There's always more to these Posts.
Wayne Roberts
10-21-22, 03:16
It's really interesting to me to read the lamenting going on.
OMG. It's called macroeconomics.
Thailand's real GDP has grown from $1900/ per capita to $7500/ per capita since 2001 or about 400%. People are wealthier there now and there is more opportunity for the young women inside and outside the sex industry. The avg western OECD country per capita GDP has grown by 70-100% in the same period.
This isn't hard stuff. It's easy to see that prices will go up, and / or quality will go down for services. The pushing of drinks is a reaction to this. Like you said, rent / overhead / talent prices have increased and to keep margin, the owners have to raise revenue to offset it. They can't go crazy with the barfines or the girls won't come, and raising patron drink prices keep mongers out.
I am lucky, my income has increased 9 X since 2001, so comparatively I still find it obscenely cheap.Your post missed the overall point I was making. With the price increases, other countries are eclipsing Thailand as the best destination to visit for our hobby at the moment. If you want to come to Thailand and drop more than you would in an FKK for an average experience with a farm girl from Issan, then be my guest. Thats the point. The quality is way down, the prices are up and the venues themselves are not as fun as they used to be because the entire dynamic has changed.
As I said I am not a budget traveller.
It's a logical fallacy because your individual points rewards situation does not apply to the average punter traveler's budget. It's not even worth discussing in general cost analysis of the conversation. The only thing I can agree with you on is the shitting where you eat part having a cost but only each individual can quantify that cost depending on their own personal situation.Then the average US based punter traveler is clueless, and has no idea how to extract value from credit cards, point travel, and elite status. This is not hard stuff. Apply for a credit card, spend 2-5 k on it, collect 60-100 miles or points. Use those points to travel for close to free to Asia / EU / wherever. In the last 30 months I have racked sign up bonuses amounting to 855 K of amex points, chase points, and airline miles. All for spending $$ on everyday expenses. (And still keeping a 827 FICO 8 score as of today).
A round trip economy class ticket from the US to South Asia will cost 55-70 K round trip in miles / points depending on the program. The EU will cost 45-60 K.
The reasonable average Joe making median wage can most likely get one-two overseas flights for punting trips for the taxes and fees portion by just strategically applying for credit cards and getting bonuses. They just need a FICO above 675 and be able to spend $1 K / month of normal spend on a credit card.
Explorer8939
10-21-22, 03:32
Pattaya has been in a death spiral since 1973. It's the natural condition for Pattaya. Meanwhile you can bang young ladies for $25, and then post that Pattaya is no fun any more.
I am still inviting ladies to my condo for 2000 baht for drinks, other activities up to them. It's interesting when a new lady comes, typically a friend of a previous visitor. Strangely, I am on a streak where ladies want ass fucking, which is rare in Thailand.
One of the benefits of having ladies come drink is they often get to the point where they tell the truth. One lady I know has a customer who pays her by the month, and she is supposed to visit him every day. In reality, she weasels out of her visits when possible, and bragged to me that she only fucks him three times a week. Somehow, she is going to Koh Lipe with me next week for three days, so her customer is paying her to go with me. And her Thai husband will take care of her kids. Nice.
I can't tell you how many bargirls are victims of scams by their customers. They are as stupid in that regard as newbie Farangs in Pattaya. The usual scam is a guy promising to sponsor a bargirl, but paying her tiny money when he is with her in Pattaya. Then he goes home and blocks her.
I was there last month and I can tell you that the 50 Euros session is a thing of the past. It is now commonly 100 Euros for a 30 min session, plus the extras if one chooses to partake.Perusing the FKK forums on ISG, the 30 min rates are indeed now 100 Euros instead of 50 Euros.
I haven't frequented an FKK since pre-Covid, but judging by the commentary online they've gone downhill since based on rates and quality of women. In addition, Germany this time of year is unappealling due to the cold weather and the inflated hotel prices due to the energy crisis and inflation. Germany shouldn't be a consideration for a monger right now given these things IMO.
Is anyone else confused why a Mega-Chad Sex God would be complaining in a P4 P forum that Pattaya is too expensive and poor value while supposedly getting endless free sex in Pattaya from "non-sex workers" because- you know. Mega Chad Sex God? Personally I would be hyping the city up if that was my designation. To start with I wouldn't go all the way around the world to date supposed civilian waitresses in a city known for sex workers- but maybe I do things bass-ackwards or am not just looking for an argument. To each their own.Stating facts is not complaining nor saying its too expensive. Obviously, I travel here for my own reasons outside of sex and bars. I'm just stating the facts of the USA traveler that Pattaya is poor value if you are only coming for sex and bars.
Even if we throw out the free pussy angle, even pay-for-play is comparable. Even quick dirty math from Atlanta you can see for the 2-week millionaire it doesn't add up. Let's just say a round trip flight is $1000 from ATL to BKK. Then between pussy and hotel/room accommodation about $100 per day even without alcohol and food included. That puts you at $1400 for 2 weeks /14 days. That's 2400 total flight/accomdation/girls for two weeks not including alcohol and food. So $200 per day in costs even before eating and drinking.
Stay in USA and sign up for any sugar baby website like seeking or hookup website like Bumble or Tinder that compares to ThaiFriendly. Most young college girls, many of them very hot, are on these sites and will gladly accept $200 per visit to their sugar daddy. You can literally get laid in the comfort of your own home for $200 a day without the hassle of flying to thailand and dealing with soi 6 level girls.
So like I said, Pattaya is good for the long-term tourist or retiree. But Pattaya makes no sense for the 2-week millionaire from the USA and that's not even considering the options of Latin America, Africa, and Eastern Bloc Europe.
Don't hate me, hate the economy. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
I was there last month and I can tell you that the 50 Euros session is a thing of the past. It is now commonly 100 Euros for a 30 min session, plus the extras if one chooses to partake.OUCH! RIP Sharks and Sakura. Thanks for that update, I'll be sure to adjust my price calculations.
Guys,
I'm visiting thailand for first time and am mostly into MPs, will take Indies if clean, hygiene.
I'm planning to stay for 3 4 days in Thailand.
Kindly suggest on.
1. how many days should I spend in Bangkok and Pattaya where can get good looking, decent place to monger.
2. well known mps.
Any additional suggestions appreciated.
Pm is open.
Explorer8939
10-21-22, 10:29
I am detecting the beginning of High Season, by monitoring the eagerness of ladies to come to my condo. I am seeing some last minute cancelations, as ladies get better customers. And less messages from bargirls asking to come to the condo.
I am sure that this will be the busiest High Season ever. I will admit to the naysayers that the bars may be busier due to there being fewer bars than before Covid, but for those who can't find an open seat at PinUp, that doesn't really matter.
Explorer8939
10-21-22, 10:36
Stating facts is not complaining nor saying its too expensive. Obviously, I travel here for my own reasons outside of sex and bars. I'm just stating the facts of the USA traveler that Pattaya is poor value if you are only coming for sex and bars.
Even if we throw out the free pussy angle, even pay-for-play is comparable. Even quick dirty math from Atlanta you can see for the 2-week millionaire it doesn't add up. Let's just say a round trip flight is $1000 from ATL to BKK. Then between pussy and hotel/room accommodation about $100 per day even without alcohol and food included. That puts you at $1400 for 2 weeks /14 days. That's 2400 total flight/accomdation/girls for two weeks not including alcohol and food. So $200 per day in costs even before eating and drinking.
Stay in USA and sign up for any sugar baby website like seeking or hookup website like Bumble or Tinder that compares to ThaiFriendly. Most young college girls, many of them very hot, are on these sites and will gladly accept $200 per visit to their sugar daddy. You can literally get laid in the comfort of your own home for $200 a day without the hassle of flying to thailand and dealing with soi 6 level girls.
So like I said, Pattaya is good for the long-term tourist or retiree. But Pattaya makes no sense for the 2-week millionaire from the USA and that's not even considering the options of Latin America, Africa, and Eastern Bloc Europe.
Don't hate me, hate the economy. Don't hate the player, hate the game.You are doing a wonderful job of discouraging mongers from coming to Pattaya, so there are more ladies for you.
No matter, the vast majority of mongers who come to Pattaya don't read this forum, so they will come once High Season is upon us in earnest.
You may truly think that mongering in the US is somehow comparable to Pattaya, but I have an excess of cheap pussy at far lower prices than you quote, and I overpay. My problem is lack of time, and lack of ability to fuck all day, not lack of ladies.
ElMexicant
10-21-22, 12:38
Value or Not?
As for the current debate on the value of Pattaya compared to your home country or the parts of the world for mongering. One must not forget about the illusion factor or entertainment factor. Walking around, holding hands, with a 19 year old village girl, thinking you are in love and everything is rosy with world is priceless. Same like being old as dirt and going to a night club with loud Thai techno music you don't recognize, almost seizuring from the lasers, but you still are a Rockstar. Same just like the illusion of being a millionaire when you are only spending 2,000 USD in 2 weeks is also priceless. This is what Pattaya offers. These are how lifetime memories are made. Let us not forget, that regret because naivety is what makes it all memorable. The escape from everyday life has no price.
10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1's. We need Photos.
In Aug I walked up and down Soi 6 about 5 time,. Couldn't even spot a 5...Everybody knows that Soi 6, you need to walk up and down 6 times, not 5, to spot 9's and 10's. They will magically appear. Thats' why it's called Soi 6, not Soi 5.
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I haven't frequented an FKK since pre-Covid, but judging by the commentary online they've gone downhill since based on rates and quality of women. In addition, Germany this time of year is unappealling due to the cold weather and the inflated hotel prices due to the energy crisis and inflation. Germany shouldn't be a consideration for a monger right now given these things IMO.Yes, the FKKs are not as good as they were pre-Covid, but nothing is. I was there for a 2-week mongering trip split between August and September. The weather was not an issue at all. Sometimes it is warm and sometimes it is not. One just need to dress up accordingly. Besides, when you get to an FKK, it does not matter how you are dressed. You don't need any clothes once you are inside. The same with the quality of the women, a bit down but not too bad. I had no problem finding decent companions, eventhough i am a sucker for eye candy.
Hotels were more expensive but not outrageous. It's the same phenomenon everywhere. Inflation and Covid have wreaked havoc with prices.
Mr Enternational
10-21-22, 14:52
You may truly think that mongering in the US is somehow comparable to Pattaya, but I have an excess of cheap pussy at far lower prices than you quote, and I overpay.The problem with these analyses is that they negate that the person is going on a vacation and assume they just want to stick their dick into some pussy. No doubt that if you only want a hole to stick it in then it would be much cheaper, all expenses considered, to find one where you live. But if the person is going on vacation for a beach, party, tours, relax, see new shit, then they are not worried about staying home and fucking local chicks to save money.
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Walking around, holding hands, with a 19 year old village girl, thinking you are in love and everything is rosy with world is priceless. Same like being old as dirt and going to a night club with loud Thai techno music you don't recognize, almost seizuring from the lasers, but you still are a Rockstar. Same just like the illusion of being a millionaire when you are only spending 2,000 USD in 2 weeks is also priceless. This is what Pattaya offers. These are how lifetime memories are made. Let us not forget, that regret because naivety is what makes it all memorable. The escape from everyday life has no price.
Everybody knows that Soi 6, you need to walk up and down 6 times, not 5, to spot 9's and 10's. They will magically appear. Thats' why it's called Soi 6, not Soi 5.I could not agree with you more. I have been going to Pattaya every year since 2003, and I have no intention of changing a thing. All because of the comments in your post above. In fact, I am trying to find a solution for the Covid years when I couldn't go. Obvious solution, go twice a year.
GentileBear
10-21-22, 16:43
Not much BBFS opportunities in USA. As long as BBFS is available. I will go to Pattaya. Even Tijuana is 98% condom required. Plus I don't like American women anyway. Even if they are 10's. I'll sit my fat ass in Cattle class for the 22 hrs to snuggle with an 87 pounder Thai lady any day.
Yeah, I have to side with Pro Pattaya on this one. USA sex is dead and non existent. At least for me. I would be Happy to pay $200 per session but it is not available for me.
Not much BBFS opportunities in USA. As long as BBFS is available. I will go to Pattaya. Even Tijuana is 98% condom required. Plus I don't like American women anyway. Even if they are 10's. I'll sit my fat ass in Cattle class for the 22 hrs to snuggle with an 87 pounder Thai lady any day.
Yeah, I have to side with Pro Pattaya on this one. USA sex is dead and non existent. At least for me. I would be Happy to pay $200 per session but it is not available for me.You'll be happy, in Pattaya it's 100% BBFS. I just come back from Pattaya, and I confirmed I practiced only BBFS everyday during 2 weeks! Thai ladies don't use condoms anymore.
GentileBear
10-21-22, 21:00
Well Gilolo,
I got about 75% BBFS. But there were some ladies who said No. So I said no too. But yeah, Pattaya is decent for my taste.
PayFotIt's report was interesting, its great to see people still having a good time rather than everyone being so jaded by the place too. In saying that I went into High Rollers, and there is not a single 8 there, let alone 9's or 10's. If you can find a 9 or 10 in that place then Thailand is going to be a goldmine for you with all the cheap sex still on offer with single mothers whose bodies have been ravaged by baby damage, shitty diets and excessive alcohol consumption. By Thai standards of the past, the lineup at High Rollers would not even get a mention its beer bar level. Soi Pothole is a talent wasteland at the moment I am sorry to say.I'm glad you found my report interesting but I really cannot agree about High Rollers. I've spent years in FKKs and Spain and see my recent detailed report on clubs in Dubai. I'm picky. I flew back to Europe and see my report in Madrid where I went from club to club looking for a good looking girl, only to find one 7/8 on my whole evening. I spent more than it would have cost me to have 10 girls in High Rollers just in cabs looking for a stunner! So I'm not easily pleased and as I reported, Fom, in High Rollers. What a body. Pretty face (maybe 8) but the body 10, service at least a 9. There were others. I genuinely didn't feel the need to bar fine out of the agogos because of the girls in High Rollers. I don't say for a moment they were wall to wall good looking, but several were really pretty to me. And I repeat. I'm not so easily pleased. Spent an hour in between Pin Up / Palace / Fahrenheit then headed to Kink. And STILL ended up taking nobody until I got to High rollers. To each their own.
In response to the guy who said Soi 6 has changed a lot since pre covid, sorry. I really don't agree. Whilst bars have closed, its same old same old. Not sure you need 5 walk alongs Soi 6 let alone 6 (to pick, but I think what I meant by no change is that there are still a lot of options.
Meanwhile as for the debate about value, to my mind (and I monger from London / Spain / German FKKs (been to around 30 of them for 10 years)/ Dubai / Azerbaijan / Turkey / Dom Republic / Hong Kong / Singapore / Thailand / Australia), there is simply no better value on the planet than in Thailand. FKKs are a fabulous model. A sunny afternoon in FKK Oase (near Frankfurt) when there are 50 naked girls all walking in high heels and make up around the swimming pool offering to rub in oil (is just incredible. But prices in FKKs are really poor now. 100/30 minutes (euros). 200/ hour for most girls in most of the clubs (in Hessen but not NRW where there are still girls doing 40 euros /30 minutes in one club. Acapulco Gold). It's crazy. You pay between 40-75 entry depending on the club for entry, robe and food. Then there is the price of the rooms with the ladies. In Pattaya you can take 3 girls ST upstairs in Soi 6,7,8, Pothole, Lenkee, Buakhao, Tree Town, LK, Jomtien, wherever, and same in BKK, for less than one hour in an FKK. Thailand is fabulous value for money.
Then the average US based punter traveler is clueless, and has no idea how to extract value from credit cards, point travel, and elite status. This is not hard stuff. Apply for a credit card, spend 2-5 k on it, collect 60-100 miles or points. Use those points to travel for close to free to Asia / EU / wherever. In the last 30 months I have racked sign up bonuses amounting to 855 K of amex points, chase points, and airline miles. All for spending $$ on everyday expenses. (And still keeping a 827 FICO 8 score as of today).
A round trip economy class ticket from the US to South Asia will cost 55-70 K round trip in miles / points depending on the program. The EU will cost 45-60 K.
The reasonable average Joe making median wage can most likely get one-two overseas flights for punting trips for the taxes and fees portion by just strategically applying for credit cards and getting bonuses. They just need a FICO above 675 and be able to spend $1 K / month of normal spend on a credit card.I'm your average joe office drone and have been playing the credit card points game for a very long time. As a result, I've never paid for a long haul flight in my life. Even here, the flights to Samui are notoriously expensive but I used points to make the roundtrip. In sum, playing the credit card points game is easy, valuable and actually kind of fun. I even stayed at a really nice Hilton in BKK for a week early in this trip of mine for a week.
Unless your really rich and can afford to spend whatever you want in life, you should be playing the credit card points game.
Thailand is fabulous value for money.But the issue, at least for me, is that you have to be into Asian women, and I'm really not that much. Making it not worth it to me to fly all the way to Thailand (or anywhere else in Asia) to monger. One time in Pattaya I went 72 hours without fucking because I hadn't seen anybody I wanted. That was Pattaya. Ground zero for fucking in Thailand! So although I certainly acknowledge your value argument, it doesn't work for me because I'm just not attracted to most Asian women. From here on out I'll be sticking exclusively to the Americas and Europe for mongering (the latinas and the white girls float my boat). I must say though that one of the hottest girls I have ever been with in my entire life was found in Phuket. She was either Amerasian or Eurasian and looked like a Thai Jennifer Anniston (but with darker hair). Wow what a knockout! Mamasan knew she had a rare "white tiger" on her hands and charged accordingly. And I gladly paid what was asked for takeout (twice).
I have to agree with this. If you're a Chad / Tyrone getting sex for free in your western country, then why are you a monger abroad?
Let's be honest, most punters are punters because they can't sniff an ass back home, so the only alternative is punting. I'm not ashamed to admit that's why I punt.
But if I was a Chad back home I wouldn't be basing where I travel to on where I can punt.I guess I am one of the jaded ones. Under 55 and a 2 X widower. 1st wife a fellow military member KIA, 2nd one cancer before 50. No children, a few female friends, just have decided that I am going to spend my last active 15-20 years making bank and enjoying life traveling, 88 different countries so far. Doing a little punting to keep sane and happy. Maybe when I am in my late 60's I will settle down again and make sure I die first this time around.
I'm glad you found my report interesting but I really cannot agree about High Rollers. I've spent years in FKKs and Spain and see my recent detailed report on clubs in Dubai. I'm picky. I flew back to Europe and see my report in Madrid where I went from club to club looking for a good looking girl, only to find one 7/8 on my whole evening. I spent more than it would have cost me to have 10 girls in High Rollers just in cabs looking for a stunner! So I'm not easily pleased and as I reported, Fom, in High Rollers. What a body. Pretty face (maybe 8) but the body 10, service at least a 9. There were others. I genuinely didn't feel the need to bar fine out of the agogos because of the girls in High Rollers. I don't say for a moment they were wall to wall good looking, but several were really pretty to me. And I repeat. I'm not so easily pleased. Spent an hour in between Pin Up / Palace / Fahrenheit then headed to Kink. And STILL ended up taking nobody until I got to High rollers. To each their own.
In response to the guy who said Soi 6 has changed a lot since pre covid, sorry. I really don't agree. Whilst bars have closed, its same old same old. Not sure you need 5 walk alongs Soi 6 let alone 6 (to pick, but I think what I meant by no change is that there are still a lot of options..Bravo, well said. Yes, Thailand isn't the goldmine for gorgeous cheap women (9-10's) any more. It's too wealthy a country now. But in reality I would rather have the naughty, perhaps a little MILFy 6-7 with a little baby damage who can suck a golfball through garden hose. There is very few places in the world that you can get that in the world while speaking primarily speaking English and feeling reasonably safe.
The key in Pattaya / BKK is that if you pick the wrong chick who turns out to be a bit of starfish / poor performer, it only costs you less than $50. Rather then the Russian roulette of EU escorts or even in the FKK's where a poor choice will cost you $200.
I'm your average joe office drone and have been playing the credit card points game for a very long time. As a result, I've never paid for a long haul flight in my life. Even here, the flights to Samui are notoriously expensive but I used points to make the roundtrip. In sum, playing the credit card points game is easy, valuable and actually kind of fun. I even stayed at a really nice Hilton in BKK for a week early in this trip of mine for a week.
Unless your really rich and can afford to spend whatever you want in life, you should be playing the credit card points game.You have the absolute right idea brother.
I have trip booked in March ORD-AUH-BKK Etihad business, with a return BKK-DEL-JFK Thai / Air India first class that cost me only 180 K amex points + $300 via the Air Canada program.
I extracted $11 K of of net value in 2021 and have already extracted $13 K of net value ISO far in 2022 from the credit card game. I have top tier Hilton, Marriott, and IHG status from my CC's. Which outside of the US actually gets you great perks / benefits.
I probably could spend what I wanted out of my pocket, but why. The whole game is value / arbitrage, whether pussy or travel.
My goal in life is to stick it to the Man, and sticking it to Bank / Credit Card issuers is the sweetest dish that could be served.
The problem with these analyses is that they negate that the person is going on a vacation and assume they just want to stick their dick into some pussy. No doubt that if you only want a hole to stick it in then it would be much cheaper, all expenses considered, to find one where you live. But if the person is going on vacation for a beach, party, tours, relax, see new shit, then they are not worried about staying home and fucking local chicks to save money.Actually, the analyses do include all of that. Pattaya is shit for beaches, partying, and tours. All of that can be had in much nicer places in Latin America, the Caribbean, Africa, hell even just going to Miami or Vegas.
But I digress, it's obvious that nostalgia and preference for tiny Asian women will cause many to simply ignore the realities in other places. And the reality is that the USA has thrown out much of the stigma of sex work and even some states like New York have literally said they will no longer prosecute prostitution. Combine with inflation and economic problems of women in the USA, the price of sex and entertainment in the USA, as well as other places in the world, has dropped significantly (and still dropping) thus surpassing Thailand in value once the travel expenses are factored in. If you venture over to some of the African forums like Kenya or Ecuador forums you will see the costs of girls are even half of the cost of Pattaya and there are plenty of bbfscim and sexual fantasy options in Africa and latin america.
And I know some of these guys refuse to acknowledge that I qualified my statements with the cost of plane tickets and the length of the visit, so it is whatever.
My whole statement was actually just in response to the one post where the guy was insinuating that the USA 2-week millionaires might be the ones who will save Pattaya because of the strength of the dollar. And I was just pointing out that there is a fat chance that Americans will be the ones pumping sums of money into Pattaya for all of the reasons I mentioned.
Wayne Roberts
10-22-22, 03:52
Guys,
I'm visiting thailand for first time and am mostly into MPs, will take Indies if clean, hygiene.
I'm planning to stay for 3 4 days in Thailand.
Kindly suggest on.
1. how many days should I spend in Bangkok and Pattaya where can get good looking, decent place to monger.
2. well known mps.
Any additional suggestions appreciated.
Pm is open.For a trip that short, and given your preference for parlours you are better off spending all 4 days in Bangkok. It just has more to chose from when it comes to MP's, and the average quality of the women in Bangkok MP's is well and above the average quality in Pattaya.
Pattaya is a different scene. Here its gogos, gentlemen's clubs, girly bars, beer bars and freelancers in clubs. There are MP's, but they are on average a notch below what Bangkok tends to offer for a newbie on a short trip.
Alex Alexa
10-22-22, 04:15
Actually, the analyses do include all of that. Pattaya is shit for beaches, partying, and tours. All of that can be had in much nicer places in Latin America, the Caribbean, Africa, hell even just going to Miami or Vegas.
But I digress, it's obvious that nostalgia and preference for tiny Asian women will cause many to simply ignore the realities in other places. And the reality is that the USA has thrown out much of the stigma of sex work and even some states like New York have literally said they will no longer prosecute prostitution. Combine with inflation and economic problems of women in the USA, the price of sex and entertainment in the USA, as well as other places in the world, has dropped significantly (and still dropping) thus surpassing Thailand in value once the travel expenses are factored in. If you venture over to some of the African forums like Kenya or Ecuador forums you will see the costs of girls are even half of the cost of Pattaya and there are plenty of bbfscim and sexual fantasy options in Africa and latin america.
And I know some of these guys refuse to acknowledge that I qualified my statements with the cost of plane tickets and the length of the visit, so it is whatever.
My whole statement was actually just in response to the one post where the guy was insinuating that the USA 2-week millionaires might be the ones who will save Pattaya because of the strength of the dollar. And I was just pointing out that there is a fat chance that Americans will be the ones pumping sums of money into Pattaya for all of the reasons I mentioned.Americans and Thailand.
I could be wrong but we are not a big tourist demographic for Thailand in General, just too Darn far.
Mr Enternational
10-22-22, 04:53
And the reality is that the USA has thrown out much of the stigma of sex work and even some states like New York have literally said they will no longer prosecute prostitution.Correct. They said they will not prosecute prostitution, but will still prosecute solicitation. In other words, the hookers will no longer go to jail, but the guys trying to pick them up still do!
Actually, the analyses do include all of that. Pattaya is shit for beaches, partying, and tours. All of that can be had in much nicer places in Latin America, the Caribbean, Africa, hell even just going to Miami or Vegas.
But I digress, it's obvious that nostalgia and preference for tiny Asian women will cause many to simply ignore the realities in other places. And the reality is that the USA has thrown out much of the stigma of sex work and even some states like New York have literally said they will no longer prosecute prostitution. Combine with inflation and economic problems of women in the USA, the price of sex and entertainment in the USA, as well as other places in the world, has dropped significantly (and still dropping) thus surpassing Thailand in value once the travel expenses are factored in. If you venture over to some of the African forums like Kenya or Ecuador forums you will see the costs of girls are even half of the cost of Pattaya and there are plenty of bbfscim and sexual fantasy options in Africa and latin america.
And I know some of these guys refuse to acknowledge that I qualified my statements with the cost of plane tickets and the length of the visit, so it is whatever.
My whole statement was actually just in response to the one post where the guy was insinuating that the USA 2-week millionaires might be the ones who will save Pattaya because of the strength of the dollar. And I was just pointing out that there is a fat chance that Americans will be the ones pumping sums of money into Pattaya for all of the reasons I mentioned.I suspect many mongers keep coming to Thailand instead of the high price-quality ratio of girls in Thailand because said mongers are hard-line barebackers. To them looks and figure little matter as long as no condom is ok. Beer bar MILFS with mommy bodies are ideal for barebacking as they're close enough to menopause not to have to worry any more about pregnancy.
Barebacking is available in Africa too but not with a top girl unless she becomes your regular (difficult within a short holiday).
Getting top girls of the kind I like in Thailand (where I live) is so difficult I've even considered having an African girl over to Thailand on some kind of visa. It is probably a risky thing to do on several counts though.
I didn't know the US had taken a turn for the better. I'd always equated prostitution in the US with sting operations, denunciations, blackmail etc.
RakSopheni
10-22-22, 21:07
I suspect many mongers keep coming to Thailand instead of the high price-quality ratio of girls in Thailand because said mongers are hard-line barebackers. It's one big reason for sure- but my girls are usually attractive. I prefer slim spinners 18-26 year old- need to at least have a body I like (85-110 lbs) and cute face. As other mongers have pointed out- one also needs a preference for Asian girls. Once you get used to BBFS and CIP it's really tough to settle for anything else. Another factor is the scenic beauty of the area- from stunning karst formations in the South, to beautiful temples and beaches- you can produce photos for your insta and cover your mongering tracks so friends and family don't get suspicious. I never just stay in Pattaya or even just in Thailand.
Vector313 is really drilling down on the flight cost and time zone displacement. And yes, for someone who was happy with all covered service and coming from the USA for 2 weeks- there would be no reason not to hop on a $300 roundtrip plane to Medellin. But for someone like myself with my preferences stated above who has 2-3 months to travel- why would I deny myself the things I like just to save $1000, which honestly is not really a lot of money.
The other component of the argument- that factoring in overhead, cost per fuck starts to approach other more expensive locations (Dubai, USA, Germany) also for me doesn't make sense. I'd rather discover a girl is a waste of money by spending 1500 baht ($40) than $150 in Dubai / Germany or $500 in the USA. And again on a longer trip than 2 weeks this math doesn't work anyway.
Vector313 is really drilling down on the flight cost and time zone displacement. And yes, for someone who was happy with all covered service and coming from the USA for 2 weeks- there would be no reason not to hop on a $300 roundtrip plane to Medellin. But for someone like myself with my preferences stated above who has 2-3 months to travel- why would I deny myself the things I like just to save $1000, which honestly is not really a lot of money.
A big difference between the attraction for two week millionaires and longer stays is the Availability of repeats at discount rates. For two weeks, a guy might be churning through a different girl every session. However, the semi resident will have access to repeats and off the clock hookups often at fractions of rack pricing. A gogo girl might be 10 k all up out of the club but she will be far less than that as a lunchtime repeat on the way to work.
Oneminuteboy
10-23-22, 00:07
For the guys that want to talk economics, please create a separate thread.
Let's keep this thread focus on mongering reports.
Alex Alexa
10-23-22, 00:41
Thailand vs the World as a Sex Destination.
Thailand has 100,000's of Miss Jira. Hahaha. End of debate.
Sorry guys I supported her by sending her $6. 00 on her super chat.
I know some of you Hate that.
Check out her you tube Livestream last night, very entertaining.
Explorer8939
10-23-22, 01:58
A big difference between the attraction for two week millionaires and longer stays is the Availability of repeats at discount rates. For two weeks, a guy might be churning through a different girl every session. However, the semi resident will have access to repeats and off the clock hookups often at fractions of rack pricing. A gogo girl might be 10 k all up out of the club but she will be far less than that as a lunchtime repeat on the way to work.Correct.
Go-go girls are so cheap in the daytime that I often have two at a time come to my condo. They don't seem to mind being fucked in front of the other girl, the only limitation is tgat they change out the condom when I change girls.
MartinFlevo
10-23-22, 05:43
Oke.
I monger in Netherlands / Germany and I can do Thailand.
Lets stop comparing things because for Thailand its a HOLIDAY experience. For those Germany FKK clubs its a DAY entertainment. Apples / Apples please!
For ST lovers its easier these days to go to a RTC club in Germany. 30 e a pop is more cheap than the Thailand rates. However you also fucking more ugly chicks in those RTCs than you would do in Thailand. But for the quick fuck? Cheaper. However less choices in girls for sure and bigger change of getting an STD.
I prefer LT myself and than those prices in Thailand (Pattaya) can not compete. Around 100 e for a night? Thats a 30 min session in the Netherlands or not even enough to cover the 1st fuck in a better FKK. Last times I did LT twice with a dancer from a gogobar in Pattaya. 2 K LT + barfine. Nothing can compete with that anywhere in the world. Especially when you take into account ALL the time you spend with someone + unlmiited sex experience.
The reasonable average Joe making median wage can most likely get one-two overseas flights for punting trips for the taxes and fees portion by just strategically applying for credit cards and getting bonuses. They just need a FICO above 675 and be able to spend $1 K / month of normal spend on a credit card.I'm a reasonable average Joe making median wage, but I do not spend $1 K / month (or the equivalent in euro's, which is about the same at the moment). Not by far.
Unless I would pay the rent for my apartment, insurances, energy and so on, by credit card. But that doesn't make any sense.
I should mention that I don't have a car. But even if I did, I would not spend $1 K / month on average.
Everybody knows that Soi 6, you need to walk up and down 6 times, not 5, to spot 9's and 10's. They will magically appear. Thats' why it's called Soi 6, not Soi 5.And the 9 or 10 that you spot that sixth time, is a ladyboy.
Been on a bit of a massage binge lately. I mean, 800 baht for a nice, professional massage and HJ release is quite the deal, especially at the current exchange rate ($21); I can get about 8 to 10 massage / HJ here compared to one back home. I mainly stick to the ones on Buakho. The masseuse at the one I went to today was trying to upsell the HJ to 1,000 baht total LOL; I told her firmly no, a massage with HJ is 800 total everywhere. And she stands her ground (Thai saving face). So she shuts up and continues the massage and I close my eyes knowing that within a minute she'll acquiesce and oblige to the 800 baht normal price after one last saving face attempt at 1,000. And of course that's exactly what happened. No reason to overpay gents, hold your ground. If she had not agreed to 800, I would have gotten a nice oil massage for 300 baht from her and gone to the massage shop next door and gotten 800 massage / HJ price, so it's a win win either way and would be a loss for the girl to not take the 800 baht price and mamasan would not be happy. Then she gave me her Line and said she'll come to my loom for boom boom after work for 2,000 baht LOL. I never pay more than 1,500 for ST and this particular girl isn't even worth 1,500. The inflated egos some of these chicks have.
But the issue, at least for me, is that you have to be into Asian women, and I'm really not that much. Making it not worth it to me to fly all the way to Thailand (or anywhere else in Asia) to monger. One time in Pattaya I went 72 hours without fucking because I hadn't seen anybody I wanted. That was Pattaya. Ground zero for fucking in Thailand! So although I certainly acknowledge your value argument, it doesn't work for me because I'm just not attracted to most Asian women. From here on out I'll be sticking exclusively to the Americas and Europe for mongering (the latinas and the white girls float my boat). I must say though that one of the hottest girls I have ever been with in my entire life was found in Phuket. She was either Amerasian or Eurasian and looked like a Thai Jennifer Anniston (but with darker hair). Wow what a knockout! Mamasan knew she had a rare "white tiger" on her hands and charged accordingly. And I gladly paid what was asked for takeout (twice).To each their own of course and if Asian girls are not your type its no wonder you went 72 hours (or longer) without fucking one! They ware not actually my preference either. Oddly, Romanians are my favourites! But (a) I love the Asian attitude to service. Most of the girls from my recent trip really did want to ensure I was well satisfied. (b) its easy to find slim girls with good bodies. So the looks issue is then facial and whilst there are not a lot who are wow factor, I don't find it difficult to seek out some. Finally (c) there are so many to choose from! When I add price factor to all that for me, its a great hunting ground.
Alex Alexa
10-23-22, 23:44
To each their own of course and if Asian girls are not your type its no wonder you went 72 hours (or longer) without fucking one! They ware not actually my preference either. Oddly, Romanians are my favourites! But (a) I love the Asian attitude to service. Most of the girls from my recent trip really did want to ensure I was well satisfied. (b) its easy to find slim girls with good bodies. So the looks issue is then facial and whilst there are not a lot who are wow factor, I don't find it difficult to seek out some. Finally (c) there are so many to choose from! When I add price factor to all that for me, its a great hunting ground.I'm opposite of you. Hahaha.
For me Face comes First,. No doesn't have to be Gorgeous, just one I like.
Question. Easier to find good face or body?
I think easier to find good body than good face.
I'm opposite of you. Hahaha.
For me Face comes First,. No doesn't have to be Gorgeous, just one I like.
Question. Easier to find good face or body?
I think easier to find good body than good face.If I can't get past that face then I for sure won't be getting to them hind parts! LOLOLOLOL!
Oke.
I monger in Netherlands / Germany and I can do Thailand.
Lets stop comparing things because for Thailand its a HOLIDAY experience. For those Germany FKK clubs its a DAY entertainment. Apples / Apples please!
For ST lovers its easier these days to go to a RTC club in Germany. 30 e a pop is more cheap than the Thailand rates. However you also fucking more ugly chicks in those RTCs than you would do in Thailand. But for the quick fuck? Cheaper. However less choices in girls for sure and bigger change of getting an STD.
I prefer LT myself and than those prices in Thailand (Pattaya) can not compete. Around 100 e for a night? Thats a 30 min session in the Netherlands or not even enough to cover the 1st fuck in a better FKK. Last times I did LT twice with a dancer from a gogobar in Pattaya. 2 K LT + barfine. Nothing can compete with that anywhere in the world. Especially when you take into account ALL the time you spend with someone + unlmiited sex experience.I appreciate your view but slow down cowboy, 100 eu gets you all night in Colombia and 2 days in different African countries. 😉.
As far as the "holiday" argument I call BS on that. Aside from other countries offering much better vacation scenery and activities than Pattaya, Even people who come to thailand for the vacation experience do not come to pattaya for that. They go to phuket, samui, lipe kr basically anywhere else in pattaya. And in those cities sex is more expensive and less options. It's not uncommon for a punter to come to pattaya and recruit a cheap girlfriend to travel to other thailand destinations to fill the sex part, but that completely changes and increases all of the other financial calculations.
I'm a reasonable average Joe making median wage, but I do not spend $1 K / month (or the equivalent in euro's, which is about the same at the moment). Not by far.
Unless I would pay the rent for my apartment, insurances, energy and so on, by credit card. But that doesn't make any sense.
I should mention that I don't have a car. But even if I did, I would not spend $1 K / month on average.Insurance and utilities are some of the easiest bills to pay via CC. Groceries and Dining are slam dunks. All national groc chains pretty much take credits cards with no upcharge in the US. If you get a Bilt credit card you can actually charge your rent to it (up to $50 K a year) with no surcharge / fees and get points for travel.
The median US individual income is $46 K / year, household is $70+K. (That counts retirees / students in that mix) Median weekly earnings per worker for Q3 was was $1070/ week. I would venture to guess that the median single person in the US spends $1000/ month on expenses that easily can be charged to a CC.
Bravo to you if you don't spend $1 K a month outside of rent.
I am able to pay my property taxes and quarterly income taxes via CC for a nominal (approx 1%) fee, so meeting minimum spend requirements on even large amounts is generally not an issue. Even with the fee's, the math easily works on sign up bonuses.
Current Amex Plat Business offer - 160 K pts for $16 K of spend in 3 months (Yep that's about the steepest min spend requirement out there) 171 K (160+11 for spend) amex pts is worth at very least $2,650 in redeeming for travel. The $695 cost of the card is offset by airline credits ($200), Dell credits ($400), Uber credits ($200) , and mobile phone bill credits ($120) + there are other benefits (free access to airline lounges, travel protections) Spending the $16 K purely on surcharged spend will cost me $190. A net $2475 worth of travel points. Enough points to get a person round trip to South Asia 2 X in economy, or 1 X in business.
Alex Alexa
10-24-22, 04:30
Insurance and utilities are some of the easiest bills to pay via CC. Groceries and Dining are slam dunks. All national groc chains pretty much take credits cards with no upcharge in the US. If you get a Bilt credit card you can actually charge your rent to it (up to $50 K a year) with no surcharge / fees and get points for travel.
The median US individual income is $46 K / year, household is $70+K. (That counts retirees / students in that mix) Median weekly earnings per worker for Q3 was was $1070/ week. I would venture to guess that the median single person in the US spends $1000/ month on expenses that easily can be charged to a CC.
Bravo to you if you don't spend $1 K a month outside of rent.
I am able to pay my property taxes and quarterly income taxes via CC for a nominal (approx 1%) fee, so meeting minimum spend requirements on even large amounts is generally not an issue. Even with the fee's, the math easily works on sign up bonuses..When you give the Platinum Amex as an example it just blows your Premise out of the water.
Not ez unless you a Saudi Prince type spender to make coin via credit card game.
Avg Schmuck have to do avg Schmuck things. Work, save, invest, for 39 years or more. Actually works.
I'm opposite of you. Hahaha.
For me Face comes First,. No doesn't have to be Gorgeous, just one I like.
Question. Easier to find good face or body?
I think easier to find good body than good face.Good bods are 8/10 but faces are 2/10. Combo is harder but still enough to have a few options every night in pattaya.
When you give the Platinum Amex as an example it just blows your Premise out of the water.
Not ez unless you a Saudi Prince type spender to make coin via credit card game.
Avg Schmuck have to do avg Schmuck things. Work, save, invest, for 39 years or more. Actually works.I used that as an example of the highest end:
Very achievable bonus mile offers right now on cards:
Citi AA card - 65 K miles for 4 K spend in 4 months.
Barclay AA Aviator Red - 60 K miles after spending $1.
Barclay Business AA card - 80 K miles for 2 K spend in 3 months.
BOA Air France card - 70 K miles for 2 k spend in 3 months.
Amex Green Card - 50 K pts after 2 k spend in 6 months.
The first 3 cards over a 6-12 month period could easily net someone 210 K+ AA miles, enough for 3 RT economy class tickets to South Asia.
Consider myself the avg Joe most of my life. 22 years in the military, 12 years enlisted / 10 years commissioned. Only started making decent bank in the last 7-8 years after leaving the service.
Alex Alexa
10-25-22, 03:57
I used that as an example of the highest end:
Very achievable bonus mile offers right now on cards:
Citi AA card - 65 K miles for 4 K spend in 4 months.
Barclay AA Aviator Red - 60 K miles after spending $1.
Barclay Business AA card - 80 K miles for 2 K spend in 3 months.
BOA Air France card - 70 K miles for 2 k spend in 3 months.
Amex Green Card - 50 K pts after 2 k spend in 6 months.
The first 3 cards over a 6-12 month period could easily net someone 210 K+ AA miles, enough for 3 RT economy class tickets to South Asia.
Consider myself the avg Joe most of my life. 22 years in the military, 12 years enlisted / 10 years commissioned. Only started making decent bank in the last 7-8 years after leaving the service.Benefits can be had I agree. BUT.
Studies have shown the Consumer comes out on the Short end majority of the time.
I got lots of points about 5 round trips to Bangkok. The cheapest flights always are bad Routings.
I prefer to just pay $1,000 regular price.
I used that as an example of the highest end:
Very achievable bonus mile offers right now on cards:
Citi AA card - 65 K miles for 4 K spend in 4 months.
Barclay AA Aviator Red - 60 K miles after spending $1.
Barclay Business AA card - 80 K miles for 2 K spend in 3 months.
BOA Air France card - 70 K miles for 2 k spend in 3 months.
Amex Green Card - 50 K pts after 2 k spend in 6 months.
The first 3 cards over a 6-12 month period could easily net someone 210 K+ AA miles, enough for 3 RT economy class tickets to South Asia.
Consider myself the avg Joe most of my life. 22 years in the military, 12 years enlisted / 10 years commissioned. Only started making decent bank in the last 7-8 years after leaving the service.As an American, my primary credit cards for earning points are Chase cards, specifically United Airlines Chase cards. One of United Airlines partners is Thai Airways so you can book Thai Airways flights directly on United's website with your points. The pro tip with United cards is you can apply and get approved for both personal and business (an actual business isn't needed just make one up) cards. Thus, you can get a new United card yearly between the two.
Mr Enternational
10-25-22, 06:34
When you give the Platinum Amex as an example it just blows your Premise out of the water.
Not ez unless you a Saudi Prince type spender to make coin via credit card game.
Avg Schmuck have to do avg Schmuck things. Work, save, invest, for 39 years or more. Actually works.LOL. I use my Amex Platinum on a daily basis for every purchase possible. If someone does not accept Amex then I use my X1. I usually rack up $3500 to $4000 per month on it. Right now I have 80,000 points. I always use mine to get $100 gift cards for Walmart which I use for grocery shopping at 14,000 points each. I get my money's worth, but I really would have to be a Saudi Prince type spender to have enough points to pay for vacations.
Explorer8939
10-25-22, 07:07
High Season is almost upon us.
It is getting harder for ladies to show up in my condo in the early afternoon, since they go with customers until almost dawn, and then sleep past noon. Or they are too busy to even schedule time with me.
When I go into a bar where ladies have come to the condo to drink, the second and third tier ladies ask to come to the condo, after hearing about it. I don't have time to see top tier ladies, let alone 2nd tier, unless they have something special.
Last night, I had the misfortune of a lady drinking too much, she did 10 shots quickly, got naked and passed out. Oops.
I just got back from a short trip to Vietnam yesterday, and today I go to Koh Lipe with her twin sister. Next month, I will take both to South Africa. Two bedrooms, though.
Alex Alexa
10-25-22, 14:26
High Season is almost upon us.
It is getting harder for ladies to show up in my condo in the early afternoon, since they go with customers until almost dawn, and then sleep past noon. Or they are too busy to even schedule time with me.
When I go into a bar where ladies have come to the condo to drink, the second and third tier ladies ask to come to the condo, after hearing about it. I don't have time to see top tier ladies, let alone 2nd tier, unless they have something special.
Last night, I had the misfortune of a lady drinking too much, she did 10 shots quickly, got naked and passed out. Oops.
I just got back from a short trip to Vietnam yesterday, and today I go to Koh Lipe with her twin sister. Next month, I will take both to South Africa. Two bedrooms, though.Big wig Thai tourist official s are dis- at pointed in tourism number, in people and dollars spent.
Red Planet Pattaya good proxy of Pattaya demand. God I e never seen rates so low.
Your Data points for expecting a High Season, beside mature weathered Bargirls?
Explorer8939
10-26-22, 00:04
Big wig Thai tourist official s are dis- at pointed in tourism number, in people and dollars spent.
Red Planet Pattaya good proxy of Pattaya demand. God I e never seen rates so low.
Your Data points for expecting a High Season, beside mature weathered Bargirls?Pent up demand, this is the first High Season since before Covid.
The dollar is at 38 to the baht, which means that Short Time costs $25.
I have many ladies telling me that their customers are making reservations for the holiday season.
The authorities seem to recognize that Pattaya will be jammed, so they are tearing up Second Road to make sure that traffic is gridlocked.
Pent up demand, this is the first High Season since before Covid.
The dollar is at 38 to the baht, which means that Short Time costs $25.
I have many ladies telling me that their customers are making reservations for the holiday season.
The authorities seem to recognize that Pattaya will be jammed, so they are tearing up Second Road to make sure that traffic is gridlocked.Perhaps they'll be an increase in monger tourists this high season, but not tourists as a whole. All the Thais I talk to do not expect a good high season in terms of the number of tourists. Even the Bolt drivers say their customers in Pattaya are mostly Thais and my hotel I stay at is mostly empty during the week and full of Thais on the weekend. I just don't see tourist numbers all of a sudden start to rise in one week. High season is high season so numbers will go up, but me thinks not to the extent the TAT think. The global recession is a real thing and is going to get worse.
Decided check out the row of GCs here. Poked my head in to all them and yikes, these were some pretty rough looking gals. Do not plan to head back there anytime soon. Since I made the trip there I sessioned. The girl seemed to have a nice body with clothes on, once upstairs and in the shower I saw what I'd be working with. Fake boobs which I am not a fan of and they were the lopsided kind that feel gross to touch (she told me she's had three boob jobs). She turns around and looks like she's had ass implants which I find completely off putting, the way the ass looks and feels is just a turn off. I also noticed in the light she has that botox, lip filler face thing going on. Aside from the looks issue she gave good service and I ended up having a decent session, she's less than five feet and slim, but an obvious no repeat.
I needed to redeem myself so headed to Soi 6. Walking down I found a decent looking one, slim body, no apparent baby damage with an average face. Start talking to her on the curb and she quotes 1,500 plus 400 for the room. Of course I countered with 1,000 and she says "go go, bye bye" in a very rude way (the ego of average looking broads). Turns out she did me a favor, the bar right next to this one is a chick wearing some black netted underwear with a plump little backside on the curb and I tap her on the shoulder and she turns and to my surprise is cute, smiley and sanuk. Within half a minute 1,000 baht is agreed upon and we are upstairs. Had a great session. She was legit one of the five most attractive chicks I observed on the Soi and yes it was 1,000 plus 400 for the room and great customer service. Funny thing is we were talking after and she was saying how much she hates sex LOL. I was like You wouldn't know it given your service and she said "I do for money, me need to send to family in Isaan."
As an American, my primary credit cards for earning points are Chase cards, specifically United Airlines Chase cards. One of United Airlines partners is Thai Airways so you can book Thai Airways flights directly on United's website with your points. The pro tip with United cards is you can apply and get approved for both personal and business (an actual business isn't needed just make one up) cards. Thus, you can get a new United card yearly between the two.The issue I have this Chase is that I am always running up against their 5/24 rule. The Sapphire / Rewards cards are actually better value than the United cards. They earn 3 x /2 x on travel and dining and the points transfer to United (And Hyatt) 1:1. Another bonus is that when you have a Chase visa card you can get 10% off of BA flights via an easy hack.
For Star Alliance, I used the Air Canada program as my go to. They take point transfers from all the major point currencies, allow to you book flights 360 days out, and have reasonable surcharges. I can accumulate a whole lot more Amex points (Do to fact it is easy to get 55 K points a year in referral bonuses and you can have more cards) than chase points in a year. The best all around card for amex is the Amex Gold card. 4 X points on dining and groceries. I end getting a net 3 X /4 X on almost all spend via gift card purchases at the local Kroger. (Along with fuel points).
It all depends on routing, since I am east coast it is actually about the same flight time routing via EMEA / Middle East to South Asia. Plus, I sometimes do stopovers in AMS to whet the appetite on the way over.
LOL. I use my Amex Platinum on a daily basis for every purchase possible. If someone does not accept Amex then I use my X1. I usually rack up $3500 to $4000 per month on it. Right now I have 80,000 points. I always use mine to get $100 gift cards for Walmart which I use for grocery shopping at 14,000 points each. I get my money's worth, but I really would have to be a Saudi Prince type spender to have enough points to pay for vacations.90-100 K amex points can get you almost aa round back and forth to Thailand via transfer Air Canada, Avancia, BA. I don't know where your based but I can find availability 1 stop ORD-BKK for Feb / Mar on Qatar or United / Thai. Out of NYC 1 stops to BKK on Qatar, EVA, Singapore. Out of LAX, 1 stops on SIN, Qatar and even a 72 K point roundtrip + $70 redemption on Korean Air via Delta's program.
Benefits can be had I agree. BUT.
Studies have shown the Consumer comes out on the Short end majority of the time.
I got lots of points about 5 round trips to Bangkok. The cheapest flights always are bad Routings.
I prefer to just pay $1,000 regular price.Smart consumers do just fine, never carry a balance and cancel expensive cards with little benefits besides the sign up bonus after the first year. Routing / prices on award flights all have to do with travel flexibility, if you can travel mid-week there is plenty of availability. That extra $1 k in a person's pocket will pay for 2 weeks in a condo or reasonable mongering in Pattaya in a heartbeat.
Banana Boi
10-26-22, 03:37
Is all this talk about CC Pattaya specific? Whoever started it should have started it in one of the non city specific threads.
The issue I have this Chase is that I am always running up against their 5/24 rule. The Sapphire / Rewards cards are actually better value than the United cards. They earn 3 x /2 x on travel and dining and the points transfer to United (And Hyatt) 1:1. Another bonus is that when you have a Chase visa card you can get 10% off of BA flights via an easy hack.
For Star Alliance, I used the Air Canada program as my go to. They take point transfers from all the major point currencies, allow to you book flights 360 days out, and have reasonable surcharges. I can accumulate a whole lot more Amex points (Do to fact it is easy to get 55 K points a year in referral bonuses and you can have more cards) than chase points in a year. The best all around card for amex is the Amex Gold card. 4 X points on dining and groceries. I end getting a net 3 X /4 X on almost all spend via gift card purchases at the local Kroger. (Along with fuel points).
It all depends on routing, since I am east coast it is actually about the same flight time routing via EMEA / Middle East to South Asia. Plus, I sometimes do stopovers in AMS to whet the appetite on the way over.I have the Sapphire as well, my favorite CC ever.
To put into perspective the value of CC points for those who don't play the game, I just booked my flights home only three days in advance. Cost me 48 k United points whilst I have almost 300 k United points. The itinerary home includes 3 flights from BKK to the US, aisle seats and cost me just the service / airport fees about $40.
Explorer8939
10-26-22, 15:14
Perhaps they'll be an increase in monger tourists this high season, but not tourists as a whole. All the Thais I talk to do not expect a good high season in terms of the number of tourists. Even the Bolt drivers say their customers in Pattaya are mostly Thais and my hotel I stay at is mostly empty during the week and full of Thais on the weekend. I just don't see tourist numbers all of a sudden start to rise in one week. High season is high season so numbers will go up, but me thinks not to the extent the TAT think. The global recession is a real thing and is going to get worse.Yeah, I am talking about record numbers of mongers in Pattaya for High Season, not tourists as a while. If you want to read my predictions about tourists as a whole, I post those in InternationalTouristGuide.com, along with my recommendations for Credit Cards.
You are going to read a lot of long posts from me about nothing in December, since all the ladies in my rotation are going to be charging 3000 baht for Short Time, and bars will be too crowded for find a seat. I did manage to secure a silicon enhanced MILF for early December for a trip to Dubai, but after that, pickings will be slim for me.
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Mr Rootkit
10-26-22, 18:30
Had 12 days here recently. Second trip here for me. This time was much better. Last trip was pre covid. A good tip for punters going here download the Discord app. Doesn't work on apple devices only android / google. Apple has some content restriction nonsense so annoyingly I couldn't open the app after downloading it onto my ipad. So had to use a windows PC but the info is excellent and even shows photos of the current line up of girls working in each agogo / club / bar / gentleman's clubs. The guys on there also share great info of all sorts of things not just girls but on restaurants / taxis literally everything. So to Trev who runs Discord if you are reading this thank you for your brilliant videos and informative app which really helped me and should be used for anyone going to Pattay. Seek Trev out on Buzzin Pattaya on YouTube..Just a tip regarding Discord, you can get it working on iOS if you open up the web version, click on the gear in the bottom left and change your privacy settings blade. You can opt in for allowing you to see mature content via iOS.
Shukracharya
10-26-22, 18:39
My first visit to Thailand and I've had my fair share of Thai girls. They are nice but I would like to experiment with some other nationalities. Any suggestions where to go to hook up with non Asian nationalities in Thailand? Western or Latin women I mean. Not much into African kats.
To each their own of course and if Asian girls are not your type its no wonder you went 72 hours (or longer) without fucking one! They ware not actually my preference either. Oddly, Romanians are my favourites! But (a) I love the Asian attitude to service. Most of the girls from my recent trip really did want to ensure I was well satisfied. (b) its easy to find slim girls with good bodies. So the looks issue is then facial and whilst there are not a lot who are wow factor, I don't find it difficult to seek out some. Finally (c) there are so many to choose from! When I add price factor to all that for me, its a great hunting ground.
Alex Alexa
10-26-22, 23:31
Yeah, I am talking about record numbers of mongers in Pattaya for High Season, not tourists as a while. If you want to read my predictions about tourists as a whole, I post those in InternationalTouristGuide.com, along with my recommendations for Credit Cards.
You are going to read a lot of long posts from me about nothing in December, since all the ladies in my rotation are going to be charging 3000 baht for Short Time, and bars will be too crowded for find a seat. I did manage to secure a silicon enhanced MILF for early December for a trip to Dubai, but after that, pickings will be slim for me.Pre COVID each high season was Worser than the previous high season.
No way in San Jose will anyone have trouble getting a seat in a Bar.
Don't worry Folks.
The only High season Pattaya and Bangkok Sex Shops get in recent memory is when Japan have their one week Holidays. I know Japan's is called Golden Week.
It's like Locust fly in for a week then come Monday they are all gone.
You will never see Bargirls so Happy as they get Barfined like nobody's business.
Please ban these people from the group ASAP. They are incredibly selfish Americans.As one, I can tell you have being selfish is pretty much a prerequisite to being an American. We have been that way since WW1 when Europe immolated and bankrupted itself. One of the reasons I go to Pattaya / BKK is that I generally have to deal with very little of of my countrymen.
The scary thing is there are people here who think that we should be even more selfish. As Christopher Hitchens wrote "I have always found it quaint and rather touching that there is a movement (Libertarians) in the US that thinks Americans are not yet selfish enough. ".
I enjoy Pattaya and BKK because of the value vs the US. It's an awesome form of pussy arbitrage based on basic labor arbitrage, along with other relatively cheap liveations available also.
The good news for most Pattaya regulars is that generally Americans are too entitled and lazy to get on an aircraft for 20+ hours, they would rather spend $100's / week wanking to live webcam feeds instead of enjoying the real thing at a fraction of the price in Thailand.
GentileBear
10-28-22, 00:23
If it wasn't for my Credit Card miles program who blessed me with a free cattle class ticket of SFO. KLM - BKK via Malaysian Airlines / and China Southern. Then I would never had the opportunity to learn the magic secret to Connect 4 in Pattaya.
I am being somewhat sarcastic and tongue cheek here but I support hearing about milage programs. And yes the "Free" airfare is the shitiest flights- but if it's free- I am game. Posting my pic from the Honey Bee bar to keep on topic of Pattaya. Peace!
Explorer8939
10-28-22, 01:13
My first visit to Thailand and I've had my fair share of Thai girls. They are nice but I would like to experiment with some other nationalities. Any suggestions where to go to hook up with non Asian nationalities in Thailand? Western or Latin women I mean. Not much into African kats.Not a good idea.
Better to go to Brazil or Mexico.
My first visit to Thailand and I've had my fair share of Thai girls. They are nice but I would like to experiment with some other nationalities. Any suggestions where to go to hook up with non Asian nationalities in Thailand? Western or Latin women I mean. Not much into African kats.You're pretty much out of luck if you're looking for non-Thai girls in Thailand. There does seem to be some Russian girls here and there but that would cost a pretty penny.
You're more likely to find other nationalities in BkK, not here in Pattaya. I've seen some reports of mongers meeting non-Thai girls on the Bangkok forum. Walking around the FL areas of Nana / Asok is likely your best bet. For me, going through all that trouble just isn't worth it.
Explorer8939
10-28-22, 06:28
Random observations about play-for-pay ladies in Pattaya:
Under 30 ladies are mostly interested in a quick fuck and then don't clean up their messes before they go home from my room.
Ladies over 30 are more interested in Long Time, and almost always wash the dishes before they leave. If they also clean my condo, they are looking for sponsorship.
The ladies who like to be ass fucked are totally disinterested in making me cum. If I cum in their ass, great, but otherwise they ignore my dick. No idea why.
No Thai lady has ever changed a toilet paper roll.
I have a collection of ladies' underwear hanging on my wall. No idea why ladies walk out without underwear.
I suspect many mongers keep coming to Thailand instead of the high price-quality ratio of girls in Thailand because said mongers are hard-line barebackers. To them looks and figure little matter as long as no condom is ok. Beer bar MILFS with mommy bodies are ideal for barebacking as they're close enough to menopause not to have to worry any more about pregnancy.
I agree with you and that's precisely why I haven't done any FS with bar / GC / go go girls in the entire 3 months I've been here outside of a couple of soapys at Honey 1. All of my freelance action has also been strictly condom use. Antibiotic resistant stds are running wild in pattaya at the moment.
I've had multiple former soi 6 freelancers as well as 2 soi 6 managers tell me how the depravity of punters with grotesque requests has driven girls away from bar work in Pattaya or pushed them to the "drinks only" status. They also say that the cheap charlies are the ones most likely to try bareback tricks. It's one of the big reasons that better looking thai women have ceased to come work in pattaya and moved to online, sugard daddies, or phuket / Bahrain / dubai for sex work. It's funny but the growing bareback reputation of pattaya is an attraction for some, but a big deterrant for others. Between punters who like to play safe and the decline of good looking girls who like to work safe, it's a damper on overall quality around here.
ThaiGoodTimes
10-28-22, 12:16
I agree with you and that's precisely why I haven't done any FS with bar / GC / go go girls in the entire 3 months I've been here outside of a couple of soapys at Honey 1. All of my freelance action has also been strictly condom use. Antibiotic resistant stds are running wild in pattaya at the moment.
I've had multiple former soi 6 freelancers as well as 2 soi 6 managers tell me how the depravity of punters with grotesque requests has driven girls away from bar work in Pattaya or pushed them to the "drinks only" status. They also say that the cheap charlies are the ones most likely to try bareback tricks. It's one of the big reasons that better looking thai women have ceased to come work in pattaya and moved to online, sugard daddies, or phuket / Bahrain / dubai for sex work. It's funny but the growing bareback reputation of pattaya is an attraction for some, but a big deterrant for others. Between punters who like to play safe and the decline of good looking girls who like to work safe, it's a damper on overall quality around here.That's an interesting take on things about antibiotic resistant STD's running wild in Pattaya".
Do you have any websites links or anything that might give some more details about it?
Alex Alexa
10-28-22, 13:29
I agree with you and that's precisely why I haven't done any FS with bar / GC / go go girls in the entire 3 months I've been here outside of a couple of soapys at Honey 1. All of my freelance action has also been strictly condom use. Antibiotic resistant stds are running wild in pattaya at the moment.
I've had multiple former soi 6 freelancers as well as 2 soi 6 managers tell me how the depravity of punters with grotesque requests has driven girls away from bar work in Pattaya or pushed them to the "drinks only" status. They also say that the cheap charlies are the ones most likely to try bareback tricks. It's one of the big reasons that better looking thai women have ceased to come work in pattaya and moved to online, sugard daddies, or phuket / Bahrain / dubai for sex work. It's funny but the growing bareback reputation of pattaya is an attraction for some, but a big deterrant for others. Between punters who like to play safe and the decline of good looking girls who like to work safe, it's a damper on overall quality around here.Same here thinking like you.
I just don't see the appeal of exchangeing Bodily Fluids with Prostitiots.
Alex Alexa
10-28-22, 13:33
I agree with you and that's precisely why I haven't done any FS with bar / GC / go go girls in the entire 3 months I've been here outside of a couple of soapys at Honey 1. All of my freelance action has also been strictly condom use. Antibiotic resistant stds are running wild in pattaya at the moment.
I've had multiple former soi 6 freelancers as well as 2 soi 6 managers tell me how the depravity of punters with grotesque requests has driven girls away from bar work in Pattaya or pushed them to the "drinks only" status. They also say that the cheap charlies are the ones most likely to try bareback tricks. It's one of the big reasons that better looking thai women have ceased to come work in pattaya and moved to online, sugard daddies, or phuket / Bahrain / dubai for sex work. It's funny but the growing bareback reputation of pattaya is an attraction for some, but a big deterrant for others. Between punters who like to play safe and the decline of good looking girls who like to work safe, it's a damper on overall quality around here.What s a Bargirls view on guys who use Viagra?
Logic tells me they Hate it. But when you read reports guys imply they love the never ending Smashing. Hahaha.
..... Antibiotic resistant stds are running wild in pattaya at the moment.......Damn, that's pouring some cold water on my anticipation for my 2023 trip to Pattaya. I don't do bare back full sex with prostitutes but if they're hot I do like to go down on them.
HorseTrader
10-28-22, 15:39
What s a Bargirls view on guys who use Viagra?
Logic tells me they Hate it. But when you read reports guys imply they love the never ending Smashing. Hahaha.A Tijuana girl once told me she hates Viagra because it makes customers take too long to finish. They should love it because without Viagra type drugs, the whole P4P industry shrinks. Many of the old men who need Viagra are also the men who have money to pay the girls.
What s a Bargirls view on guys who use Viagra?
Logic tells me they Hate it. But when you read reports guys imply they love the never ending Smashing. Hahaha.Kamagra is readily sold and used in pattatay. The girls are very fine with it.
What s a Bargirls view on guys who use Viagra?
Logic tells me they Hate it. But when you read reports guys imply they love the never ending Smashing. Hahaha.How would they even know you're taking it?
I take a very small dosage just to give myself a boost. No girl has ever asked me if I use it.
Damn, that's pouring some cold water on my anticipation for my 2023 trip to Pattaya. I don't do bare back full sex with prostitutes but if they're hot I do like to go down on them.I also like to DATY hot girls. I've been in Pattaya a while now and have only gone down on one girl as I will only DATY hot girls. So that should tell you about the current state of high quality girls in terms of attractivness in Pattaya, or lack thereof I should say. That's to say, you'll surely smash some above average looking girls, but not extremely attractive looking girls (9's and 10's).
Explorer8939
10-29-22, 01:01
What s a Bargirls view on guys who use Viagra?
Logic tells me they Hate it. But when you read reports guys imply they love the never ending Smashing. Hahaha.Most ladies want the sex to end as soon as possible. I know this is shocking for some people, but most ladies are only in it for the money. And 90% have Thai boyfriends (or the equivalent), so they get enough at home.
It's a double edged sword for bargirls when it comes to hansum young Farangs. They love them as customers, but, apart from the small money, young guys like to fuck all night. Which is a problem for the lady, since she has to work the next day.
I also like to DATY hot girls. I've been in Pattaya a while now and have only gone down on one girl as I will only DATY hot girls. So that should tell you about the current state of high quality girls in terms of attractivness in Pattaya, or lack thereof I should say. That's to say, you'll surely smash some above average looking girls, but not extremely attractive looking girls (9's and 10's).Try pin-up agogo. Plenty of smoking hot girls. Lady love and queen with some good ones also.
If you've got game Muscle Factory gym has incredible talent!
Mr Enternational
10-29-22, 04:29
I also like to DATY hot girls. I've been in Pattaya a while now and have only gone down on one girl as I will only DATY hot girls. Aren't those usually the ones with the diseases?
Travelling to pattaya after 3 years. Would appreciate if someone recommends good 3 or 4 star GF hotels in central pattaya.
Cheers.
MartinFlevo
10-29-22, 06:46
Travelling to pattaya after 3 years. Would appreciate if someone recommends good 3 or 4 star GF hotels in central pattaya.
Cheers.Travelodge = cheap and 3 stars behind pattaya avenue. So quiet location.
Acqua hotel = bit more expensive. 4 stars.
Intimate hotel = 4 stars, big rooms and also near Pattaya Avenue.
Most ladies want the sex to end as soon as possible. I know this is shocking for some people, but most ladies are only in it for the money. And 90% have Thai boyfriends (or the equivalent), so they get enough at home.
It's a double edged sword for bargirls when it comes to hansum young Farangs. They love them as customers, but, apart from the small money, young guys like to fuck all night. Which is a problem for the lady, since she has to work the next day.That means old men still in the upper circuit among girls in money and less disturbing to them in bed even with ED drugs. I more focused on the fore play and less time in action to participate the girl in the game. Most of the time I was successful, may be my thinking. He he. Any way there is still room for old men in Pattaya girls heart.
Short visit to Pattaya after a long break of 4 years with a friend. Usually stayed in the interconnected rooms in Basaya Pattaya clang. This time looking for an interconnected room in Soi 7 or 8 between Beach road and second road. Expecting help from friends who are familiar with hotels having interconnected rooms.
Short visit to Pattaya after a long break of 4 years with a friend. Usually stayed in the interconnected rooms in Basaya Pattaya clang. This time looking for an interconnected room in Soi 7 or 8 between Beach road and second road. Expecting help from friends who are familiar with hotels having interconnected rooms.On the ground here and now. Soi 7&8 dead. Hotels along that stretch are boarded up and dark at night.
Travelling to pattaya after 3 years. Would appreciate if someone recommends good 3 or 4 star GF hotels in central pattaya.
Cheers.Holiday Inn express on soi buckhao should fit your 3 star requirement. Relatively new but no balconies on this building.
Most ladies want the sex to end as soon as possible. I know this is shocking for some people, but most ladies are only in it for the money....
That means old men still in the upper circuit among girls in money and less disturbing to them in bed even with ED drugs.....I'm old and probably the girls' worst nightmare of a customer. While unmedicated, and after pacing myself at 2 girls a day, I find it very difficult to actually blow my load. This means girls can be called into marathon sessions as Little G always wants to play but the game never comed to an end (no pun intended).
Great fun for me. For the girls? Probably not.
Enjoy. G.
Try pin-up agogo. Plenty of smoking hot girls. Lady love and queen with some good ones also.
If you've got game Muscle Factory gym has incredible talent!I have no game or looks, hence why I'm in Pattaya.
Aren't those usually the ones with the diseases?I don't know, I have a few arbitrary DATY rules. They have to be hot and a freelancer (no bar, club girls). I just assume FLers are having less sex which statistically lessens the chance of me catching something.
I'm old and probably the girls' worst nightmare of a customer. While unmedicated, and after pacing myself at 2 girls a day, I find it very difficult to actually blow my load. This means girls can be called into marathon sessions as Little G always wants to play but the game never comed to an end (no pun intended).
Great fun for me. For the girls? Probably not.
Enjoy. G.When it is thinking and trying to finish the load can lead disappointments some times even on medication. I focus on prolonged foreplays of different style and never think about finishing. Let it go as it happens, new policy and it give full excitement too from girl to girl.
FlagRunner77
10-30-22, 04:41
Travelling to pattaya after 3 years. Would appreciate if someone recommends good 3 or 4 star GF hotels in central pattaya.
Cheers.I was there 3 weeks ago and stayed at both Adelphi and Page 10 hotel. Both GF and require ID from the guest. Both call afterwards to confirm all good to return ID to the guest. Both close to the action of treetown and LK.
Acqua, as someone else has mentioned, is also GF as I have stayed there a couple of times. This is a particularly notable hotel if you want privacy. In particular, unless things have changed, if you stay in the second building, it is often unmanned, so guests a can come and go without having to give ID (if that is the kind of setup you want).
The D Hotel is a little further out, but also GF.
FlagRunner77
10-30-22, 04:45
When it is thinking and trying to finish the load can lead disappointments some times even on medication. I focus on prolonged foreplays of different style and never think about finishing. Let it go as it happens, new policy and it give full excitement too from girl to girl.I noticed this during my recent trip. Usually don't have a problem finishing. Maybe takes a little longer if I have had a few beers. This time (my first trip in 3 years), any kind of alcohol and it was a struggle to finish. Without alcohol, it usually wasn't too much of an issue, but still required concentration. I put it down to getting older and not being as fit as I was back then. Then again, I found one lady who knocked my socks off and I didn't even have to think about getting to the finish line. Maybe I need to now switch focus from quantity to quality.
Short visit to Pattaya after a long break of 4 years with a friend. Usually stayed in the interconnected rooms in Basaya Pattaya clang. This time looking for an interconnected room in Soi 7 or 8 between Beach road and second road. Expecting help from friends who are familiar with hotels having interconnected rooms.The connecting rooms 308 and 309 at Basaya should meet what you are looking for.
I stay right now at Basaya, but in a superior room. Great location, good prices for rooms, many newly renovated rooms and friendly staff.
I.
I suspect many mongers keep coming to Thailand instead of the high price-quality ratio of girls in Thailand because said mongers are hard-line barebackers. To them looks and figure little matter as long as no condom is ok.
It's funny but the growing bareback reputation of pattaya is an attraction for some, but a big deterrant for others. Between punters who like to play safe and the decline of good looking girls who like to work safe, it's a damper on overall quality around here.If there's one thing I've learned over the years, as a hard-line barebacker, it's that there is no direct correlation between a girl's looks and her willingness to bareback.
There are 6's and lower who immediately start a safe sex lecture when I ask for BBFS, and there are 8's and 9's who immediately say yes and don't seem to care.
If there's one thing I've learned over the years, as a hard-line barebacker, it's that there is no direct correlation between a girl's looks and her willingness to bareback.
There are 6's and lower who immediately start a safe sex lecture when I ask for BBFS, and there are 8's and 9's who immediately say yes and don't seem to care.I just come back from Thailand and especially Bangkok and Pattaya and all girls accept bareback! I never had any problem with that! The few girls who ask condom, just propose them 500 or 1000 more and they accept without any hesitation.
If there's one thing I've learned over the years, as a hard-line barebacker, it's that there is no direct correlation between a girl's looks and her willingness to bareback.
There are 6's and lower who immediately start a safe sex lecture when I ask for BBFS, and there are 8's and 9's who immediately say yes and don't seem to care.So true. That is one of the reasons one of my favorite options for mongering is Bangkok go-go bars where, imo, the girls are far more attractive than the options that rarely if ever work for me getting an upfront agreement for BBFSCIP; Massage Shops, especially the so-called PSE shops like Tulip in Bangkok and just about anywhere in Pattaya.
Not that I target the top tier lookers in the go-go bars. I don't. But the 2nd tier girls are as agreeable to it if not moreso than the thicker, 35+ year old MILFs one might assume need to agree to it in order to compete for customers with the younger, hotter girls.
If anything, lower tier lookers with one foot out of the go-go bars on their way to a take-all-cummers PSE Massage Shop are among the least likely to agree to it with me while the early 20-somethings with firm young bodies they delight to showing off on stage are the most likely to.
I noticed this during my recent trip. Usually don't have a problem finishing. Maybe takes a little longer if I have had a few beers. This time (my first trip in 3 years), any kind of alcohol and it was a struggle to finish. Without alcohol, it usually wasn't too much of an issue, but still required concentration. I put it down to getting older and not being as fit as I was back then. Then again, I found one lady who knocked my socks off and I didn't even have to think about getting to the finish line. Maybe I need to now switch focus from quantity to quality.The prime purpose in pattaya is to have good time in bed. Performance first drink follow and afterwards let it go whatever way. When young I usually had couple of SamMig light from every bar visited and these days a bottle of water and beer for girls. Time changes everything.
The connecting rooms 308 and 309 at Basaya should meet what you are looking for.
I stay right now at Basaya, but in a superior room. Great location, good prices for rooms, many newly renovated rooms and friendly staff.
I.Stayed more than 15 times in Basaya, the old Nippon hotel. Road facing rooms in all three floors are connecting and my favorite rooms are in first floor, because of no elevator. Thanks for the reply.
Alex Alexa
10-31-22, 02:13
Amsterdam Soi Bongkot.
Remember that Hot Gir, well she still there.
Another you tuber paid that place a visit.
Doesn't look so hot anymore. Haha. Possibly this guy doesn't know how to photoshop.
Anyone try her Charms?
Banana Boi
10-31-22, 05:26
Which is the best weekday to go to Camel Toe? I do Walking Street on Fridays and Saturdays? What is the best time? I usually hit G clubs at 3 pm. Is this good for Camel Toe?
Stayed more than 15 times in Basaya, the old Nippon hotel. Road facing rooms in all three floors are connecting and my favorite rooms are in first floor, because of no elevator. Thanks for the reply.
For the newbies there is a Pattaya hotel thread.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels
Alex Alexa
10-31-22, 06:48
How would they even know you're taking it?
I take a very small dosage just to give myself a boost. No girl has ever asked me if I use it.If you look like Buzzin the you tuber and you have a Rock Hard Erection that won go away. Hahaha.
Avg erection doesn't last that long. Avg insertion less than that.
Alex Alexa
10-31-22, 06:54
Which is the best weekday to go to Camel Toe? I do Walking Street on Fridays and Saturdays? What is the best time? I usually hit G clubs at 3 pm. Is this good for Camel Toe?This should be Good. While you there check out Amsterdam. The Hot Girl still there.
Did explore are touting Nude Cashier s make Camel Toe a must visit?
Stinky Squid
10-31-22, 14:49
I was venting in the Bangkok forum regarding the sad decay of Thailand as a former mongering paradise, ageism and all. So now I am in Pattaya and I have my first bad experience. There was this super cute girl that I connected with on ThaiFriendly, gave her all priorities because she was so super cute. Chatting over Line was quite pleasant. And I had suggested a short time (the thing they all seem to want to do almost exclusively nowadays) I saw the requests going for 1500 for ST so I specified 1500 for 90 minutes (which then is fair I guess). We were nicely planning it and the hour I arrived in Pattaya I messaged her that now it was time to come over. When she came in, she was super bubbly and cute, but then unfortunately over the duration of a half hour we two fell out. It seems to me that she was not really into the job, despite all that cuteness. She didn't connect, didn't want to be touched much, DATY no, kissing no, and it got to the point where doing the deed she got more and more frozen-up. She didn't do much at all and no finishing up plan was accepted. So I said this was a bummer and if she wants to take 500 and leave then so be it. She wanted 1000 but I said hey, you failed and ruined my afternoon. Then she said 800 and I guess I could have sent her off with 700 but whatever, I handed her 800.
These are such downers. I didn't let it get too much to me. But I have to compare again with my Latin American babies, like the cute one in Bogota who seemed also new in the business, and was also a bit frozen up (and it was cold in Bogota too) but at least she offered that I finish up with CIM and afterwards we continued cuddling a bit and she asked me to take her with me as a GF which I declined because a few minutes earlier she told me she had killed a guy and the mafia was after her (stuff she probably made up, but crazy enough to not get too deeply involved with either way). But anyway, just goes to show that fresh girl doesn't have to be so bad. With this girl today, no attempt was made to please. I told her she picked the wrong job.
Now there is another beauty for 2500ST and 5000 LT, and I wonder if I should dare that, instead of going for the slightly older ones who responded well on TF. I need a more down to earth experience to shake this off.
Stinky Squid
10-31-22, 17:06
WTF, I have to throw another grump bomb. Thailand was once upon a time but now it is not even worth the time to stick around here. What the fuck! I was just witnessing a scene which describes this bullshit here perfectly. So there are these freelancers here at the beach, really nothing worth spending time and money on. But EVEN THESE have attitude that stinks to high heaven. There was this dude, probably a little older than I, I don't think he looked bad. In shape, his head proudly shaved, etc. He approached one of the freelancers who even she probably was close to, if not beyond 30. And as he approached her, she just pointed him to the lady next to her. Like rude as fuck. Not even a polite rejection. It was more like "don't even come close to me, talk with the old hag over there". I was walking down the Soi 2 or whatever where supposedly all the beer bar action was. Stupid Halloween and everyone made herself ugly. So I just modestly paced walked through, place is modestly full of females, couldn't tell if pretty or not because of the Halloween bullshit, and no real action. Total ignorant bitches most of them. So, you know what, this sucks so bad, I don't know what I will do here for a week. Those TF girls at least make it easier, more comfortable to connect and aplenty so rejection is a non-issue really. But like how low can one go to be begging them hookers for attention? This sucks! This is not worth the time let alone the money of staying and eating here (yes even the food has become ridiculous, my favorite foods that were aplenty on the streets 10 years ago, can't even find it any more!). I'm probably going to switch gears completely and just see if I develop something with the girls who were responsive on TF and are not freelancers. Just to make the time worthwhile, or go to professionals who have some basic service ethics. WTF.
Alex Alexa
10-31-22, 18:13
About Beach Road customers.
They aren't Top quality.
So a girl rejecting without even blinking an eye doesn't surprise me.
On the other hand the quality of provider equals that of the customers they attract.
Chill bro.
Alex Alexa
10-31-22, 18:15
To the guy who like South America. Do you have Hansum Indian features? Like Dark skin.
To Thai Girls it matters.
Sir Lancelot
10-31-22, 20:50
WTF, I have to throw another grump bomb. Thailand was once upon a time but now it is not even worth the time to stick around here.Sorry to hear about your bad experiences but you've gone all the way to Thailand and you're meeting girls from a dating site and freelancers, both of which you could do at home. For the same prices as you mentioned, you could fuck a girl from soi 6, one of the many gents clubs or a massage with extras place (I. E soi Honey). Line is your best friend in Pattaya. Collect Line details of girls you meet in bars and massage shops and your experiences will improve.
Explorer8939
11-01-22, 01:05
During my last 3 days here, I have had ladies around the clock, usually in pairs. One set of ladies broke my bed, so I did have to pause after they left to do carpentry work. They had double-teamed me, one sitting on my face, while the second was sucking my balls, eventually climbing on for a ride.
I had a single lady for the night.
Two ladies yesterday, they got naked on the sofa, and one went into Tomboy mode and mounted the other. I plan to take them both to Singapore next month.
Last night, a lady moved into my condo, she will live here while I am in America. But last night, she was very anxious to make me happy, and ended up doing a rare sideways Cowgirl. Very nice.
I don't know why anyone is complaining about Pattaya.
MartinFlevo
11-01-22, 10:29
Meeting girls from datingsites and freelancers can be done at home? Are you sure?
* In Pattaya you will find much more independent working women than in most other cities in the world.
* TF is not a datingsite. Well, it is. But for Pattaya is't basically a classified website for freelancers.
* Prices here (Netherlands) are around 7500 THB an HOUR. Can easily save 6 K an hour per date if go to Pattaya. For a 10 day holiday and one pop a day that's 60 K savings.
However. What at stinkysquad is saying is just a sign of the times. Pattaya is still a great place for P4 P but it aint as good as it WAS. However its still better than most alternative options.
Maybe the party is over in Pattaya for FARANG. But the party continues with Arab / Indian and Korean customers. Especially those last onces are willing to pay high prices for some birds. Gogobars are making a lot of money even in slow evenings so there is zero incentive to change because (mostly) farang are getting depressed by the changes.
Thai logic - Fuck 1 x 4 K is a better deal than fuck 4 times for 1. 5 K. Less work.
Stinky Squid
11-01-22, 10:59
I don't see a lot of happy Indians here either, and in fact I saw on some chicks' profiles the request to not even be contacted by indians (and some added arabs). I asked one of the girls why, what's the issue, but didn't get a straight answer.
I don't see a lot of happy Indians here either, and in fact I saw on some chicks' profiles the request to not even be contacted by indians (and some added arabs). I asked one of the girls why, what's the issue, but didn't get a straight answer.Have a conversation with a bar manager and you will get a straight answer. It has mostly to do with desires of group sex, low ball offers, disrespectful yelling, and lack of long term potential for boyfriend / sponsor / husband. Indians don't have it "harder", they just come to Pattaya with different expectations of the girls.
Explorer8939
11-01-22, 11:18
A bargirl told me recently that she had a South Asian buy her a drink in her bar. He said he wanted to go ST with her, and she quoted 1000 baht for her, and 300 for the room.
He responded with 500 baht all included.
She did not react well.
Meeting girls from datingsites and freelancers can be done at home? Are you sure?
* In Pattaya you will find much more independent working women than in most other cities in the world.
* TF is not a datingsite. Well, it is. But for Pattaya is't basically a classified website for freelancers.
* Prices here (Netherlands) are around 7500 THB an HOUR. Can easily save 6 K an hour per date if go to Pattaya. For a 10 day holiday and one pop a day that's 60 K savings.
However. What at stinkysquad is saying is just a sign of the times. Pattaya is still a great place for P4 P but it ain't as good as it WAS. However its still better than most alternative options..Is it just me or should we stop thinking and talking about the old days?
Endless discussions about the current prices against the prices years ago. I understand that maybe many of the visitors here are coming to Bkk and or Pattaya for many years and remember how is was but I don't see the point of bringing it up every time. The world is changing and it would be very rare when everything is changing but the drinks, ladydrinks, barfine, st / LT rate are staying the same. Personally I find it absurd that some people are still expecting to pay 1.5/2 k & for a st with a model of 9 or even a 10.
Let's be realistic:
- you fill up your car for more money.
- you park at the airport for more.
- you take a flight for more.
- you pay more for your hotel.
- your food and drinks cost more.
- but noooo the entertainment is to expensive nowadays.
Now I can't look into everyone's wallet but if you can spend your cash on an airline ticket to fly out here than stop whining about the prices.
Probably you guys are going to hate me for this but while my ticket is around 4,5 K (Europe to BKK), the hotel is around 180/220 a night, I happily pay a bill of 3 k on drinks, a barfine of 1/1,5 K and 5 k /7 k for a LT with a beautiful girl. It will cost me on average 10 k a time which is around 260.260 for a whole night out with a beautiful girl at my side a night together and mostly she goes home around 1 pm is a steal in my world.
MartinFlevo
11-01-22, 13:12
Most indians are into fatties. So they are after different girls anyway.
Koreans like white asian (light skin color is "sign of wealth".).
So thank God we are not all fishing in the same pond!
Explorer8939
11-01-22, 13:18
I get a lot of requests for social media info for particular ladies. This is a not good idea.
First, a lady I like may be unacceptable to someone else.
More importantly, the ladies detest messages from guys not in Pattaya. The best way to find ladies in Pattaya is to walk down the street. You can get addresses after you barfine them.
Hi fellow kinksters,
I'm moving to Jomtien next month and will be looking at several condos with some sexy female realtors.
Has anyone had luck hooking up with a realtor while viewing a property?
Alex Alexa
11-01-22, 17:55
During my last 3 days here, I have had ladies around the clock, usually in pairs. One set of ladies broke my bed, so I did have to pause after they left to do carpentry work. They had double-teamed me, one sitting on my face, while the second was sucking my balls, eventually climbing on for a ride.
I had a single lady for the night.
Two ladies yesterday, they got naked on the sofa, and one went into Tomboy mode and mounted the other. I plan to take them both to Singapore next month.
Last night, a lady moved into my condo, she will live here while I am in America. But last night, she was very anxious to make me happy, and ended up doing a rare sideways Cowgirl. Very nice.
I don't know why anyone is complaining about Pattaya.Photos bro.
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