Pattaya Reports

[GreenBud]

Hey Fellow Mongers! Looking for PSE. I will reach Pattaya tomorrow for a very short trip. Looking for the experience of my life. Ideally a threesome with PSE. In my understanding Devil's den was someplace that provided this but it is shut down. Please help with any alternate option.My Friend You bar on Soi 6. You have to ask EACH girl what you want. All the girls are not cute, some are not ugly though. 300 for each (barfine / room) plus 1000 tip for 1 hour.

[CaliGuy33]

This is a sweeping generalisation and in my experience not true. I met some really smart, clued up girls on my recent trip. A girl I took from Vixen was spending 10,000 of her hard-earned cash for 30 hours of English lessons. A 19 year old I bar-fined from a beer bar on Soi Diana told me 'go to go, school tomorrow' as she was getting changed. After my palpitations had subsided she told me she was studying accountancy.

Just because girls don't speak your language, don't write them all off as dumb.Taking English lessons makes her smart? LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

This is a sweeping generalisation and in my experience not true. I met some really smart, clued up girls on my recent trip. On Soi 6 the week before last I met a chick that said before the pandemic she was a hotel receptionist in Ayutthaya. She said she owns a convenience store back home and was about to get the hell away from Pattaya in a couple of days. She said all the drininking and late nights could go to hell.

[Sir Lancelot]

Taking English lessons makes her smart? LOL.Why not? I reckon if your 19 year old niece spent a big chunk of her pocket money to learn a new language, you'd be quietly impressed.

[Giannis Gianni]

Taking English lessons makes her smart? LOL.Yes, in the warped world of this Forum.

The guy isn't saying they are Stupid just not formally edukated. Big difference.

Bargirls tend to come from low to no income area. Same same for all countries.

I highly doubt their is one HOT and WELL edukated girl on Soi 6. Count all of Pattaya, maybe 1.

[Giannis Gianni]

On Soi 6 the week before last I met a chick that said before the pandemic she was a hotel receptionist in Ayutthaya. She said she owns a convenience store back home and was about to get the hell away from Pattaya in a couple of days. She said all the drininking and late nights could go to hell.Chances are she will be back. Work shop for less than minimum wage or service big hair challenged obese Norwegian for multiples of minimum wage.

There is money to be made in Pattaya. It's like Hollywood California.

[11Bravo]

Taking English lessons makes her smart? LOL.English, the lingua franca of the world. Certainly helps in all sorts of businesses, especially dealing with ignorant falangs who can't speak Thai.

[SuperLove]

Thanks man, I just wanted to see and understand the taste. Definitely not worth my energy, none interest me at all. Can someone else post some nice genuine juicy photos of chicks. 8/10 - 9/10 levels. I say these are 4/10 or 5/10 on their best days, anyone concurs with me!


Ask and ye shall receive.

At least one poster here will rant about there being a ladyboy in the photo, but I didn't take the photo.

Some of these ladies are gone now, but will probably come back later. One went to Singapore and is fucking 8 guys a day for no money. A couple went to Korea.

Most of the rest come to my condo for drinks and sperm removal. If you are sponsoring one of these ladies, don't worry, she doesn't want to see me.

[Expat American]

Taking English lessons makes her smart? LOL.You routinely pay thousands of bhat for pussy while local guys get it for free and even get the girls to buy them gifits. Who is smart and who is dumb here?

[Paolo99]

You routinely pay thousands of bhat for pussy while local guys get it for free and even get the girls to buy them gifits. Who is smart and who is dumb here?1 local guy in 1 million gets it for free as you said, other local guys are in shit like every other men on this planet.

Look at how many of them get busted putting a camera in the girls toilets, or stealing womans underwears.

[Paolo99]

I didn't like soi 6 because have to fuck on dirty sheets.

It's different now. And change sheet when bring a new pervert?It depends on the place. In some places they change the sheets but most of them don't.

And sometimes the pervert don't even take a shower before doing his pervert things on the bed.

[JasonSilva]

There are indeed ladies available in Pattaya, plenty of them. The only issues are that the best ones are usually busy during High Season, and prices are higher.

Anyone who comes to Pattaya now will do fine, just maybe spend a couple of hundred dollars more than normal.Pattaya has over supply of providers. The problem is. Most of them are 4-5/10, old, pompui, starfish or can't speak English.

You may still find some gems though.

[JasonSilva]

Who's going to take all these stuff with him to go and fuck a girl. I don't even talk about the surprise on the girl's face when she see you taking all your stuffs out of your bag.

2 Condom and a small tube of KY in your pocket should be enough man, don't need to make things more complicated.I guess you are right. But these soi 6 rooms are low on hygiene. I definitely like to carry mouth wash as they don't even have that in their bathrooms.

I am also unsure if they are changing bedsheets though I do ask for 2 towels. I guess we can't expect much with 1 k thb so can't complain.

[Explorer8939]

Random stuff:

I had a 30 year old junior MILF at my condo this evening. She goes with a 19 year Thai boy, and says that he forbids her to go long time with customers, except me.

I don't what's special about me, except maybe that I discovered that she likes to be fucked in the ass, and she probably doesn't want her boyfriend to know.

I am getting hit up for loans by the ladies. When I lend money, its a few thousand baht, and the ladies pay me back the old fashioned way.

Next week, I go Brazil for a month, mostly to get out of Pattaya and its crowds. Bolt just started quoting prices by the kilometer, so you don't know the final cost when you get in. The lady tonight reported that Bolt was pretty crappy tonight.

Walking around Soi Buakhow last night, it was surprisingly quiet. But the girls working at the Korean bar on 3rd Road report that there are hundreds of customers every night.

[CaliGuy33]

You routinely pay thousands of bhat for pussy while local guys get it for free and even get the girls to buy them gifits. Who is smart and who is dumb here?That wasn't the argument, but good job being a white knight.

[CaliGuy33]

1 local guy in 1 million gets it for free as you said, other local guys are in shit like every other men on this planet.

Look at how many of them get busted putting a camera in the girls toilets, or stealing womans underwears.Great point. I don't get this falang idea that Thai guys are swimming in Thai pussy. 90 plus percent of them have it like 90 plus percent of guys around the world, you're paying for it in some way or the other, whether you're married, dating or play for play.

[CaliGuy33]

I guess you are right. But these soi 6 rooms are low on hygiene. I definitely like to carry mouth wash as they don't even have that in their bathrooms.

I am also unsure if they are changing bedsheets though I do ask for 2 towels. I guess we can't expect much with 1 k thb so can't complain.They don't change the sheets. I brought this up not too long ago and some commenters were actually defending this practice LOL.

Nothing is sanitary there so not a bad idea to carry a thin sheet with you to put down.

[Paolo99]

Helicopter bar is located around the middle of the soi on the right side when you enter from Beach road. She was wearing their Japanese schoolgirl uniform, sitting on her chair in the middle of the soi, made a weak attempt at waving me in her bar. I continued walking a bit and thought I should give her a try, she was looking not bad.

She is 20,155 cm, 42 kg, from Pechabun, dark skin, with long black hairs, no baby, and unfortunately zero English. We went straight in the bar, and there I had a very bad surprise. Big speakers with very loud music at all corners of the bar, impossible to find a place where I could quietly talk with her. I don't like it when I cannot talk to the girl but at least she let me cuddle her, and check all her assets, very good feeling ass, small boobs, her face is still cute at close range and she is smiley but she was overly shy.I think it's that girl on these pics, I took them on their facebook profile.

[Paolo99]

That girl looked constantly happy and smiling, her face is different that the typical Eesan girls faces (white skin and very little make up), her body is excellent (except she is a bit short), her skin's color is very light, she wears braces, no baby, sweet and small pussy, very beautiful small boobs.I think it's the girl on the left, again pics from facebook.

[Paolo99]

She is all natural, no surgeries to be seen there (don't remember about the nose). Her face is a kind that we find commonly among Eesan girls, jaw and cheekbone a bit wide, dark skin, black long hairs being attached at that time, some tooth not properly aligned but overall her face looks not bad at all.

She is a lot of fun, It's the first girl on the pic, with the cannabis tatoo, pics from facebook again.

I fucked up with the name of the bar, it's Baby Cool bar as written on her shirt.

[Paolo99]

Great point. I don't get this falang idea that Thai guys are swimming in Thai pussy.It's part of all the bullshits being spread on the internet, they like to paint the monger as the stupid one.

Like the myth that all these girls have a Thai boyfriend hidden in the background, or the myth that all these girls are following the same script.

[Explorer8939]

It's part of all the bullshits being spread on the internet, they like to paint the monger as the stupid one.

Like the myth that all these girls have a Thai boyfriend hidden in the background, or the myth that all these girls are following the same script.Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

A large majority of the girls working bar in Pattaya have Thai boyfriends, or a tomboy. Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Women are different than men: you can be happy fucking a different lady every night, but most women want a stable partner. And that stable partner is not going to be a 60 year old Farang, unless the lady is too old to attract a Thai man.

The Darkside is filled with bars that cater to resident Farangs who married older Thai ladies lacking an alternative, and who subsequently declared they are too old for boom-boom.

And then there are the bargirls who claim they love their Thai boyfriend AND some Farang customer.

What the bargirls don't understand is when their Thai boyfriend encourages them to make money from Farang customers, when the money slows down, the Thai man leaves. Or, if he gets a better offer.

[Giannis Gianni]

Thanks man, I just wanted to see and understand the taste. Definitely not worth my energy, none interest me at all. Can someone else post some nice genuine juicy photos of chicks. 8/10 - 9/10 levels. I say these are 4/10 or 5/10 on their best days, anyone concurs with me!Concurred.

[Giannis Gianni]

1 local guy in 1 million gets it for free as you said, other local guys are in shit like every other men on this planet.

Look at how many of them get busted putting a camera in the girls toilets, or stealing womans underwears.Always we hear Thai man get Thai price. I'm sure they getting less than Soi 6 quality. They just have don't have Spending Power like we do.

[Explorer8939]

1 local guy in 1 million gets it for free as you said, other local guys are in shit like every other men on this planet.

Look at how many of them get busted putting a camera in the girls toilets, or stealing womans underwears.Why would a young Thai man not get money from his Tilac when she is making tens of thousands of baht every month? She will pay for his room, for maintaining his moto, and give him walking around money when needed.

If you look around, you will see dozens of boy bars in Pattaya, employing thousands of Thai men. Who are their customers?

Sometimes, the bargirls will just share expenses with their partner, if he is older. And sometimes, they will find odd jobs for them. I hired the boyfriend of a bargirl to paint my condo earlier this month. But some posters don't think he exists.

[Explorer8939]

I have been communicating with a young civvie lady who lives in Sriracha, she's the daughter of a lady who works bar. Her story is her Thai husband abandoned her after she spewed 3 kids. I think he pays the rent, but he's not around.

She posts semi-nude photos on Facebook, so I assumed she was looking for customers. Nope. She is looking for guys to send her money, that's all. Money for nothing.

I got a couple of pussy photos on Messenger, but she quickly deleted tgem, claiming she sent them to me by mistake.

[Giannis Gianni]

I think it's that girl on these pics, I took them on their facebook profile.1,000 looks about right.

[Explorer8939]

Another aspect of bargirl that is hidden from customers is gambling. When you see a bargirl playing with her phone, she is maybe playing numbers or slots. Bargirls may spend more on gambling than they send to their family.

I don't think a bargirl has ever admitted to me that they play numbers or slots (lottery is common, but its small money), but they will rat out their friends. The exception is when a girl wins big, then the official story is she played one time and won.

This makes the month end prime hunting for mongers, since the gamblers are broke and need to pay rent.

[Explorer8939]

It's part of all the bullshits being spread on the internet, they like to paint the monger as the stupid one.

Like the myth that all these girls have a Thai boyfriend hidden in the background, or the myth that all these girls are following the same script.I spent 5 minutes on Facebook and snagged these photos of bargirls with their honeys. Of course, they don't give most customers their personal Facebook account, so you don't see these.

[Xiggo]

Hello brothers.

I am going to pattaya in Januari.

A asian friend of mine is going with me and request that I take a hotel that cost up to 30 euro.

Could someone recommend me a hotel for max 30 euro per night near soi 6?

I have read that soi6 is kinda special? Could someone elaborate in what way? It came to my understanding that the girls in soi6 are much more fun and keen to do some dirty shit. But on the other hand the beds are filthy??

I have found a lot of hotels below 30 euro around soi6 but I don't know ow if they are actually great?

The last time I was in pattaya I slept in flipper house soi 7 I think?

Does anyone know if flipper Lodge is better? I might go for that one if my first request is not available.

[Oterri]

I have read some reports mentioning that the numbers of freelancers on beach road are almost half of what they were pre pandemic. However judging by the videos put up on youtube, numbers seem to be quite low, may be more than 200 girls at a time.

Anyone with boots on the ground mind confirming how the numbers are now a days?

[Vector313]

They don't change the sheets. I brought this up not too long ago, and some commenters were defending this ,practice LOL.

Nothing is sanitary there so not a bad idea to carry a thin sheet with you to put down.LOL. No, offense bro, but's just way too much effort. Carrying around all that stuff means that you need to just barfine her and take her back to your hotel.

[Vector313]

Always we hear Thai man get Thai price. I'm sure they getting less than Soi 6 quality. They just have don't have Spending Power like we do.You can't judge thais on western ideology. That's the biggest problem most guys have and that's why mongers are seen as stupid.

Thais in Pattaya don't view sex the same way as westerners. Traditional Thai women wouldn't even fuck you and would probably be with a Thai guy in some form or fashion. Rich thais are swimming in pussy just like foreign mongers.

The only people who are stupid are the ones who fool themselves into thinking that they are doing something special by banging a lot of working pattaya girls and equating that to banging a lot of girls from their home country.

[Sir Lancelot]

I recently posted a 23 day diary of my trip to Pattaya. It was very long so I wouldn't expect people to read all of it, so I thought it might be useful to do a summary post including info on prices, venues and my opinion on what's good and what's bad. I've also attached a few photos of some of the girls I went with. All information is correct as of late November 2022.

SOI 6

This proved to my favourite hunting ground on the trip. There are lots of bars and lots of pretty girls to be found. I target younger girls aged 18-20, and there were lots that fell in to that category. I fucked girls in Wrath (x2), Avarice, Lust, Sexy in the City, Ruby Club, Repent, Kawaii, Helicopter and Horny Bar. The prices are fairly standard. The room upstairs is generally 400, although Helicopter is 350 and a few of the other bars are 500. Rooms are fairly basic, little more than a hard double bed and a bathroom where you can shower. Some of them have mirrors which is always fun.

The price for the girls is generally 1000 but often the prettier ones will try for 1500 (eight out of the ten girls I went with quoted 1500). On every occasion the girl immediately accepted my counter-offer of 1000 'plus tip if you make me smile'. Take your own condoms. Of the ten girls I fucked, only twice did I pay more than 1000. One of those occasions was a standout girl in Wrath who quoted 2000 and accepted my 1300 counter-offer. Sometimes you know a girl's value and I felt this girl wouldn't struggle to find another customer. The other occasion I paid 2000 was for 90 minutes in her own bedroom.

FREELANCE

I get a kick out of street action. I normally have a night in the bars but if I lose track of time and 2 am comes around and I haven't got a girl, I'll happily trawl around for a streetwalker. A lot of people report on the forum about freelancers at 'Coconut Bar', aka under the palm trees on Beach Road, but I'll admit I have zero experience as I prefer to find one closer to my hotel room. You can find them dotted along Soi Buakhao, although at least half of them are ladyboys. But if you persevere you can find diamonds in the rough for bargain basement prices.

I picked up three freelancers on my trip. Two of them charged 1000 baht for short-time, one of them just 700. The surprising thing was the quality of the girls. I'll freely admit, the first girl wouldn't win any beauty contests but it was my first night, it was 3 am and I was desperate! But the other two girls were great, including one with the biggest natural tits I've seen in Asia.

After 2 am a lot of the bar-girls on Tree Town and Soi LK Metro go to the clubs on Walking Street, where you can procure their services for a fraction of the cost you'd pay if you met them in their bar. Another good source of freelancers is websites like Thaifriendly but that's something that doesn't interest me.

BEER BARS

Tree Town has the main concentration of beer bars in Pattaya and there are lots more to be found on the streets nearby, like Soi Buakhao and Soi Pothole. The beer-bar complex alongside Tree Town, towards where the old Soi Made in Thailand used to be, has some gems too. My favourite bars for pretty girls are Vixen, Oh Bar, Moonlight, Annie Jacks (early in the evening) and Area 52 / Ass 94 (they are sister bars and girls alternate between the two). Inferno and Pitstop on Soi Pothole have some nice girls too. But the scene changes so quickly and good-looking girls pop up in lots of different places, so my recommendation is to walk around and explore.

The bar-fines can be complicated with every bar seemingly different. Oh for the good old days when you could go to Simon's and know the bar-fine in every bar without having to ask! Most bars now seem to favour a two-tier pricing structure, for example 1000 baht before 11 pm and 500 baht after. If this is the case, don't panic, there's a good chance your favourite girl will still be there after 11 pm as girls make a lot of money from lady-drinks, so they won't want to be long-timed too early. Other bars, for example Oh Bar, base their bar-fine on whether you plan to take the girl for short-time (500) or long-time (800).

Girl prices vary too. 1500 for short-time seems to be the going rate for pretty girls, although some girls quoted 1000 baht (much more likely late at night). If a girl asks for 2000, I counter-offered with 1500 and they always accepted. I only bar-fined one girl for long-time, who quoted 3000 but accepted 2500. She must have liked me because second time I bar-fined her she quoted 2000. Bear in mind I target the younger girls. If you prefer older girls then I'm sure you could shave 500 baht or more off these prices.

The beer bar complexes along Soi Diana are cheaper but generally have older girls, aged over 30. There are of course exceptions and I bar-fined a cute 19 year old and a 20 year old Cambodian girl. I paid just 300 and 400 baht for the bar-fines and both girls asked for 2000 for short time but immediately accepted 1500.

In the bars, you will get chatting to a lot of girls and there will inevitably be knockbacks. If a girl says she doesn't go with customers, it's most likely she does but doesn't want to go with a customer right now (perhaps they are just back from a short-time or maybe they ration themselves to a set amount of customers per week). Don't take it personally, it's all part of the game. Smile and be friendly and quite often the same girl will be more open to contract negotiations on another night.

GOGO BARS

I used to be the world's biggest fan of gogo bars. They generally have the youngest, prettiest girls and it's a great way to spend an evening, hopping from one bar to another. But they've gone downhill quickly in my opinion and the prices are all over the place.

At the Soi LK Metro gogo bars the general price for the bar-fine is 1500 baht or 1000 after midnight but every bar seems to have its own prices. Some bars have a two-tiered system depending on what time of night you pay the bar-fine and some have different prices depending on what colour wristband the girls are wearing. The bar-fine prices on Walking Street are between 1500 and 2000. The prices are crazy. Once you add the cost of the girl, you could be paying 5000 or more just for short-time. I could fuck a Baywatch babe style glamour model in the UK for that kind of money.

Don't get me wrong, there are pretty girls at the gogo bars, but you can find girls of a similar quality elsewhere in Pattaya for a fraction of the price. To give you an example of that, I spent a frustrating night on Walking Street so decided to head back to my hotel. By chance I bumped in to a freelancer on Soi Buakhao with the biggest natural tits I've seen in Asia, who gave me a very enjoyable short-time session (complete with tit-wank to finish) for just 1000 baht. If she worked at a bar on Walking Street she'd have been one of the most popular girls and I'd have had to pay at least quadruple the price.

The pressure to buy lady-drinks on Walking Street is off the scale. At one bar I bought a drink for a girl and a waitress appeared with a tray of tequila shots. Five times I told her 'no thank you'. At Fahrenheit a sour-faced waitress probably cost the bar money by trying to pressure me in to paying the bar-fine before I was ready. She completely killed the vibe with the girl I was interested in.

It seems to me the gogo bars are now far more geared towards making money from keeping the girls in the bar and getting drinks bought for them, than letting the girls get bar-fined. And it seems to be working too because every gogo bar I went in to was packed with customers with barely a free seat available.

SOI HONEY

I'm usually a big fan of the massage-with-extras places along Soi Honey. It's a convenient, quick and enjoyable way to procure an afternoon quickie. See a girl you like, walk inside with her to a curtained cubicle (or as seems more prevalent these days, your own room) and have a massage before the real fun begins. However on this trip the quality of girls on Soi Honey has dipped considerably, with mainly washed up old pros and ladyboys. However, if you're lucky there are gems to be found for cheap prices. Paradise, near the Soi Buakhao end of the street, and Benja Massage, about halfway up to 2nd Road, seem to be the best bets for pretty girls.

The prices are pretty much the same as Soi 6. I paid 1300 for a massage and full service with a lovely 20 year old from Khon Kaen at one place and the same price for a filthy porn-style encounter with a cougar on another night. On Soi Pothole I paid 1200 all-in for some of the best sex of the trip at a small massage shop.

SOAPIES

I believe a soapy body-to-body massage is a bucket-list experience for any red-blooded male. Yes they're expensive but the sensation of having a nubile young hottie slipping and sliding her body all over yours, is an experience you are not likely to forget.

Sabai Dee used to be my favourite soapy massage parlour, which is located on 2nd Road, a short walk away from Terminal 21. However when I visited on this trip there were only ten girls and the quality was average. The prices ranged from 2300 up to 3800 depending on which colour badge the girl was wearing. The girls in the lower price bracket were just average older girls in pushup bras. It was only once the girls were wearing 3300 badges that the girls stirred my interest.

Honey 2, a short walk away, was far more promising, with 25 girls and more prettier ones too. Again the cost of the girl depends on the colour of badge they are wearing. A red badge is 2200, blue 2700, black (M) 3300, white (V) 3900 and yellow (S) 4600. Honey 2 has two working shifts, 10 am to 6 pm and 6 pm to 2 am, so I think 5. 30 pm could be the best time to visit to give you the best choice.

GENTS CLUBS

I was hoping to visit plenty of gents clubs on this trip, after a very enjoyable game, set and match with Thailand's answer to Emma Radacanu at King's Club on my last trip, but for a variety of reasons it never really happened. I didn't visit the clubs on Soi Boomerang but made a fleeting visit to Soi Bongkot. Although there were only three girls at Amsterdam I was impressed with the quality and was told a room costs 300 baht and it's 1500 to the lady for a full service. Carre Blanc next door had generally older girls but since it started raining heavily outside and we were effectively stranded until it stopped, I couldn't resist an emergency blowjob from a foxy blond with fake tits. She offered a very enjoyable hoovering service for just 500 baht.

When I'm back in Pattaya in February I want to explore the gents clubs on Soi Pothole more. High Rollers gets good reviews but when I visited at 1 am it felt more like a gogo bar, packed with male customers and three average girls dancing. I did buy a drink for a pretty girl but she told me that she doesn't go with customers. Perhaps I went at the wrong time of night or perhaps I was just unlucky. Maggie Mays generally has older girls outside but some definitely fall in to the MILF category. I fucked a nice girl at another gents club a little further along the street called X Bar. The cost for the room and a very enjoyable session came to 1500 baht.

LINE

A lot of the prices I've mentioned are the prices I was quoted at a first meeting. But all of the girls have the Line app on their phone and when you get to know a girl you can certainly negotiate lower prices. I invited a number of girls to my room for afternoon quickies for 1000 baht before they started their shift.

AND FINALLY...

If you are interested, video and commentary from my time in Pattaya is now being uploaded on my friend's Youtube channel, Eyes of Owen.

[GentileBear]

Last Taxi from Pattaya to the BKK Airport the driver (a lady) was playing a game that looked like Tetris all the way to BKK. Completely engaged on her phone. Guess she was gambling.


Another aspect of bargirl that is hidden from customers is gambling. When you see a bargirl playing with her phone, she is maybe playing numbers or slots. Bargirls may spend more on gambling than they send to their family.

I don't think a bargirl has ever admitted to me that they play numbers or slots (lottery is common, but its small money), but they will rat out their friends. The exception is when a girl wins big, then the official story is she played one time and won.

This makes the month end prime hunting for mongers, since the gamblers are broke and need to pay rent.

[Lanthano]

I was there from mid-October to early November this year. Here are my impressions.

Unfortunately, I have now finally turned into that guy that looks back with nostalgia to the past (even if that's 2016) and remarks with dismay that Pattaya is worse than it should be.

Why?

The bad:

-Line-ups are rubbish and deceptive: For the sex-hungry tourist who has not left Australian for 2 years, maybe a bar full of girls is enough at face value. What I noticed was that there were too few good looking girls spread across too many bars. That the median age of the girls working in these places was above 35. And that in many cases no matter what time you arrive, the few good looking young ones are just working there for the lady drinks.

In general, I started to notice a big difference in the motivations of a lot of girls, that they were more passive than ever, and not exactly jumping at the chance to make money.

So basically, I am going from bar to bar to do all the work and pay loads of money while getting drunk for the possibility of paying one of these girls who I have to approach and weed out to sleep with me? This is crap. It was never this difficult in the past. NEVER.

My remedy: Become that tightass that asks the girl whether she barfines (and all the others) before buying any lady drinks. Of course that makes for a fun time in the bars. Look. If I want to become an alcoholic, I can do so at home. I come to Thailand for the possibility of sex.

-Tree Town: Made in Thailand complex has gone, instead we have a massive junkyard known as Tree Town where you can't even talk without the music blaring. Generic, nothing special about it, mixed in with restaurants. Overpriced like the rest of the city, and underperforms in terms of number of barfineable girls. To hell with it.

-Walking Street has collapsed and mostly turned into Little India or Arab Town. I went there for two nights but eventually just gave up checking out the venues. That place is done.

-LK Metro and Soy Phukhao is now the only real area worth checking out in Pattaya and all but 2 of my girls where from the bars in that area. North Pattaya is a wasteland now.

-Increased prices: I know the bars need to make money, but maybe if they have to gouge customers to stay afloat in 2022, they just shouldn't exist in that number any more?

Should I even talk about the gogos? Even in 2016 they were way overpriced. Now however, I am convinced that the owners are living off the lady drinks and bank on maybe 2 tourists a week being stupid enough to pay the barfines and extortionate prices the girls ask there. Otherwise they are simply living in Lalaland.

One of the friends I was with did actually barfine a girl for short time in LK Metro. He paid almost 4000 baht in total for a rather plain looking girl on his last night, and I wouldn't intervene for that reason. Seriously.... Why not 2000 baht barfines for a short time, 3000 baht then for the girl, and eventually many Europeans will realise they can get that at home for cheaper... Maybe 2.


-Gentleman's Clubs: These have grown in number unfortunately. If I wanted this garbage, I would go to Germany, where I at least get free food. Thailand is worth it for LT. ST you can get anywhere the world over.

-Failed Barfines: I counted 3 which is higher than I am used to. Scooters Bar (where the arrogant British prick of an owner sought to justify his 800 baht barfine by promising the girl I was taking would be worth it. BS) She started trying to get me to sleep and wouldn't blow me without a condom (kicked her out immediately and went back on the hunt).

Another girl from a beer bar literally came back with me and realised she was on her period (yeah right). I then of course said that I understood and asked what time her bar opened as I would have to get my barfine back tomorrow, upon which she paid it back upfront, as well as for the lady drink I bought.

-Social apps failed miserably (across Thailand) compared to what I remember. This should be an indication of the deterioration of what is on offer. Thai Friendly, Tinder, Bumble. You name it. I remember when every swipe right resulted in a match in Pattaya. Not any more.


The good:

-Many bars pre-pandemix have indeed survived.

-If you take it easy and just go with the flow, a lot of fan can be had here. The expats living here have the luxury of time that others don't have. I was in the city for about 2 weeks so you get a feel eventually of which venues you should go to at what time, as well as where the bars open past curfew are. (PM me if you want to know).

-It's still Pattaya and Thailand where girls will provide a service you can only dream of back home, and flexibly if the money is right. The Thai are the Thai who I really like and admire as people, whose culture and language I find amazing and singular in all the world. Could I really ever leave it completely?

-Random events and fun are always possible. For instance, chatting up an off duty server from another bar who came to drink at another one on my off night. Sit with her for hours, take her back to my hotel and hang out before deciding I wasn't up for it that night. There all sorts of possibilities and I love that about Thailand.

-Speaking Thai is a double-edged sword. Yes, you will get much further with your relationships with people you meet. The other side is that you will start to understand what the girls and mamasans are saying which can really dispell the magic and comfort in places.


In conclusion, not as sure as I used to be that I'll be back here. Will need to think about it. Thailand does have other places, like Udon Thani or Phuket for a change.


My girls (9):

First couple of nights were rough for the reasons given above. Eventually, I just went to Insomia.

Girl 1: Slim Buriram girl at Insomnia. Went back, first night protected. Following morning, felt like another round: need to get my money's worth.

Girl 2: Marina Club: woman who I bought a beer after she asked. Slightly darker, bought her a beer, talkative, Whatever, take her back.

Girl 3: Thai friendly. Great body, no to great service. Kicked her out early, turning a long time into short time to get back out to the refreshing vibe of the city.

Girl 4: Out with a friend from Belgium, chilling out near the beach, got invited to a circle of girls enjoying beer on the sidewalk. We both gave our contribution of beer and continued on until the early morning. It starts raining, friend has gone back with one of them, one of them who I made some eyes at offers to drive me back to my hotel on her motorbike. Once arrived, I offer her to hang around until the rain stops. She obliged.

Girl 5: Helped by another fellow resident at 3 am, he lead me to one of the few bars open past the COVID curfew. There we hang out, I buy him a few drinks, I tell him I'm heading up to the Northeast next week. He knows the area, and sends me all sorts of travel and hotel info in the coming 2 weeks.

At the bar, around 6 am, I approach the girl behind the bar, and tell her I'm interested. She comes back with me. When I woke up, we did it again.

Girl 6: On my last night before heading up to the North East with a friend, and with the last night that my Belgian friend was in town, barfined a girl at one of the late night bars. Early 20's, dark Isan complexion, sharp but keen manner who knows her trade. After some drinking, went back to my place. Long session in multiple positions, kamagra used, near the ending, it became clear something had gone wrong, as. The condom had broken, to my dismay and to hers.

Got the bus early next morning for the trip.

Nothing then for 3 days as I was going through Korat and Khon Khaen.

Girl 7: Udon Thani and its bar scene had a good amount. Took one back, 23 yo. It had been a few days so it helped relieve some stress.

Girl 8: Returning to Sin City, I found one of the women that I had chatted to on my previous daytime daddle through the bars, with whom I got on well. I went for it, and we went out all night to several live music bars and such till fairly late. Great evening thanks to her company. Took her back and was spoilt by her fantastic service, both in the bath and on the bed. Giving a new meaning to pleasure. Next morning, same.

Girl 9: No luck in most of the bars, bar owner of one sent me to another one he suggested, meeting another fine specimen who was quite friendly and new to the city. Negociated the usual, back to my hotel. Culmination the next morning.

Girl 10: Went back to girl 5 for my last night given my flight back to Farangland was midday and I had to get up earlier. And what a final night it was. And with a service that was the best a woman could have given.

[Explorer8939]

Hello brothers.

I am going to pattaya in Januari.

A asian friend of mine is going with me and request that I take a hotel that cost up to 30 euro.

Could someone recommend me a hotel for max 30 euro per night near soi 6?

I have read that soi6 is kinda special? Could someone elaborate in what way? It came to my understanding that the girls in soi6 are much more fun and keen to do some dirty shit. But on the other hand the beds are filthy??

I have found a lot of hotels below 30 euro around soi6 but I don't know ow if they are actually great?

The last time I was in pattaya I slept in flipper house soi 7 I think?

Does anyone know if flipper Lodge is better? I might go for that one if my first request is not available.If only there were a section on hotels in Pattaya. It would be easy to find answers if such a section existed.

[Explorer8939]

Last Taxi from Pattaya to the BKK Airport the driver (a lady) was playing a game that looked like Tetris all the way to BKK. Completely engaged on her phone. Guess she was gambling.Some gambling apps look similar to Tetris, but not all online games involve gambling.

The girls generally try to hide their gambling. I rarely see the ladies playing slots, and they only talk about it if they win a big score. It manifests via their unexplained lack of money, ie the lady is making 30,000+ a month, but is broke.

[Giannis Gianni]

You can't judge thais on western ideology. That's the biggest problem most guys have and that's why mongers are seen as stupid.

Thais in Pattaya don't view sex the same way as westerners. Traditional Thai women wouldn't even fuck you and would probably be with a Thai guy in some form or fashion. Rich thais are swimming in pussy just like foreign mongers.

The only people who are stupid are the ones who fool themselves into thinking that they are doing something special by banging a lot of working pattaya girls and equating that to banging a lot of girls from their home country.I don't judge Thais on western ideology.

Farangs vs Asian clients.

Big difference. Farangs want prostitute Girlfriend. Asian just want Boom Boom. LOL.

Some like to think many good Thai girls. I'm dubious on this claim.

There are many middle class and higher that we just don't see what they up to. You think Thai men middle managers don't get Horny when they see Hot Shop Girl.

Their services are kept to themselves.

Prostitution is just embedded in Thai Society.

[Explorer8939]

I don't judge Thais on western ideology.

Farangs vs Asian clients.

Big difference. Farangs want prostitute Girlfriend. Asian just want Boom Boom. LOL.

Some like to think many good Thai girls. I'm dubious on this claim.

There are many middle class and higher that we just don't see what they up to. You think Thai men middle managers don't get Horny when they see Hot Shop Girl.

Their services are kept to themselves.

Prostitution is just embedded in Thai Society.Correct. Except for HiSo ladies, Thai women may have a customer on the side, or be a mia noi, or otherwise play around with a younger man. Once a Thai man hits 40, he generally will have to pay money, same as you, maybe not as much. Or go with an older lady.

[Giannis Gianni]

If only there were a section on hotels in Pattaya. It would be easy to find answers if such a section existed.People want answers. Ask where the action is. People answer.

I like Pattaya but I'm not browsing Hotel section.

[Allover]

Last Taxi from Pattaya to the BKK Airport the driver (a lady) was playing a game that looked like Tetris all the way to BKK. Completely engaged on her phone. Guess she was gambling.Sounds more like you, the passenger were gambling. With your life.

[Explorer8939]

Now that High Season is here, thousands of newbie tourists are coming to Thailand. The ladies know this, and are using their skills to convince new customers that they love them very much. Thai ladies are probably the best at snagging boyfriends in a short period of time.

Of course, it's not real, but you really don't want to go to Pattaya for a short time and then get hooked by a bargirl into sending her money after you go home.

Apart from the probability that she has a Thai boyfriend, giving a lady money for nothing is stupid. Don't be stupid.

I often lie in bed with Thai ladies chatting with their sponsors, and then fuck them after they hang up. Of course, Thai ladies will not chat with their Thai boyfriends while they are in bed with a customer.

Anyway, don't get hooked into sponsorship.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

I was there from mid-October to early November this year. Here are my impressions.

Unfortunately, I have now finally turned into that guy that looks back with nostalgia to the past (even if that's 2016) and remarks with dismay that Pattaya is worse than it should be.

Why?

The bad:

-Line-ups are rubbish and deceptive: For the sex-hungry tourist who has not left Australian for 2 years, maybe a bar full of girls is enough at face value. What I noticed was that there were too few good looking girls spread across too many bars. That the median age of the girls working in these places was above 35. And that in many cases no matter what time you arrive, the few good looking young ones are just working there for the lady drinks.

In general, I started to notice a big difference in the motivations of a lot of girls, that they were more passive than ever, and not exactly jumping at the chance to make money.

So basically, I am going from bar to bar to do all the work and pay loads of money while getting drunk for the possibility of paying one of these girls who I have to approach and weed out to sleep with me? This is crap. It was never this difficult in the past. NEVER.

My remedy: Become that tightass that asks the girl whether she barfines (and all the others) before buying any lady drinks. Of course that makes for a fun time in the bars. Look. If I want to become an alcoholic, I can do so at home. I come to Thailand for the possibility of sex.

-Tree Town: Made in Thailand complex has gone, instead we have a massive junkyard known as Tree Town where you can't even talk without the music blaring. Generic, nothing special about it, mixed in with restaurants. Overpriced like the rest of the city, and underperforms in terms of number of barfineable girls. To hell with it.

-Walking Street has collapsed and mostly turned into Little India or Arab Town. I went there for two nights but eventually just gave up checking out the venues. That place is done.

-LK Metro and Soy Phukhao is now the only real area worth checking out in Pattaya and all but 2 of my girls where from the bars in that area. North Pattaya is a wasteland now.

-Increased prices: I know the bars need to make money, but maybe if they have to gouge customers to stay afloat in 2022, they just shouldn't exist in that number any more?

Should I even talk about the gogos? Even in 2016 they were way overpriced. Now however, I am convinced that the owners are living off the lady drinks and bank on maybe 2 tourists a week being stupid enough to pay the barfines and extortionate prices the girls ask there. Otherwise they are simply living in Lalaland.

One of the friends I was with did actually barfine a girl for short time in LK Metro. He paid almost 4000 baht in total for a rather plain looking girl on his last night, and I wouldn't intervene for that reason. Seriously.... Why not 2000 baht barfines for a short time, 3000 baht then for the girl, and eventually many Europeans will realise they can get that at home for cheaper... Maybe 2.


-Gentleman's Clubs: These have grown in number unfortunately. If I wanted this garbage, I would go to Germany, where I at least get free food. Thailand is worth it for LT. ST you can get anywhere the world over.

-Failed Barfines: I counted 3 which is higher than I am used to. Scooters Bar (where the arrogant British prick of an owner sought to justify his 800 baht barfine by promising the girl I was taking would be worth it. BS) She started trying to get me to sleep and wouldn't blow me without a condom (kicked her out immediately and went back on the hunt).

Another girl from a beer bar literally came back with me and realised she was on her period (yeah right). I then of course said that I understood and asked what time her bar opened as I would have to get my barfine back tomorrow, upon which she paid it back upfront, as well as for the lady drink I bought.

-Social apps failed miserably (across Thailand) compared to what I remember. This should be an indication of the deterioration of what is on offer. Thai Friendly, Tinder, Bumble. You name it. I remember when every swipe right resulted in a match in Pattaya. Not any more.


The good:

-Many bars pre-pandemix have indeed survived.

-If you take it easy and just go with the flow, a lot of fan can be had here. The expats living here have the luxury of time that others don't have. I was in the city for about 2 weeks so you get a feel eventually of which venues you should go to at what time, as well as where the bars open past curfew are. (PM me if you want to know).

-It's still Pattaya and Thailand where girls will provide a service you can only dream of back home, and flexibly if the money is right. The Thai are the Thai who I really like and admire as people, whose culture and language I find amazing and singular in all the world. Could I really ever leave it completely?

-Random events and fun are always possible. For instance, chatting up an off duty server from another bar who came to drink at another one on my off night. Sit with her for hours, take her back to my hotel and hang out before deciding I wasn't up for it that night. There all sorts of possibilities and I love that about Thailand.

-Speaking Thai is a double-edged sword. Yes, you will get much further with your relationships with people you meet. The other side is that you will start to understand what the girls and mamasans are saying which can really dispell the magic and comfort in places.


In conclusion, not as sure as I used to be that I'll be back here. Will need to think about it. Thailand does have other places, like Udon Thani or Phuket for a change.


My girls (9):

First couple of nights were rough for the reasons given above. Eventually, I just went to Insomia.

Girl 1: Slim Buriram girl at Insomnia. Went back, first night protected. Following morning, felt like another round: need to get my money's worth.

Girl 2: Marina Club: woman who I bought a beer after she asked. Slightly darker, bought her a beer, talkative, Whatever, take her back.

Girl 3: Thai friendly. Great body, no to great service. Kicked her out early, turning a long time into short time to get back out to the refreshing vibe of the city.

Girl 4: Out with a friend from Belgium, chilling out near the beach, got invited to a circle of girls enjoying beer on the sidewalk. We both gave our contribution of beer and continued on until the early morning. It starts raining, friend has gone back with one of them, one of them who I made some eyes at offers to drive me back to my hotel on her motorbike. Once arrived, I offer her to hang around until the rain stops. She obliged.

Girl 5: Helped by another fellow resident at 3 am, he lead me to one of the few bars open past the COVID curfew. There we hang out, I buy him a few drinks, I tell him I'm heading up to the Northeast next week. He knows the area, and sends me all sorts of travel and hotel info in the coming 2 weeks.

At the bar, around 6 am, I approach the girl behind the bar, and tell her I'm interested. She comes back with me. When I woke up, we did it again.

Girl 6: On my last night before heading up to the North East with a friend, and with the last night that my Belgian friend was in town, barfined a girl at one of the late night bars. Early 20's, dark Isan complexion, sharp but keen manner who knows her trade. After some drinking, went back to my place. Long session in multiple positions, kamagra used, near the ending, it became clear something had gone wrong, as. The condom had broken, to my dismay and to hers.

Got the bus early next morning for the trip.

Nothing then for 3 days as I was going through Korat and Khon Khaen.

Girl 7: Udon Thani and its bar scene had a good amount. Took one back, 23 yo. It had been a few days so it helped relieve some stress.

Girl 8: Returning to Sin City, I found one of the women that I had chatted to on my previous daytime daddle through the bars, with whom I got on well. I went for it, and we went out all night to several live music bars and such till fairly late. Great evening thanks to her company. Took her back and was spoilt by her fantastic service, both in the bath and on the bed. Giving a new meaning to pleasure. Next morning, same.

Girl 9: No luck in most of the bars, bar owner of one sent me to another one he suggested, meeting another fine specimen who was quite friendly and new to the city. Negociated the usual, back to my hotel. Culmination the next morning.

Girl 10: Went back to girl 5 for my last night given my flight back to Farangland was midday and I had to get up earlier. And what a final night it was. And with a service that was the best a woman could have given.Look elsewhere and get a fresh perspective.

Hua Hin and Phuket away from Patong.

[Explorer8939]

I had a lady over for drinks this afternoon. She used to work at the Korean bar on 3rd Road, claimed she got 5 K for ST from Koreans.

But now she is preggers, and can't drink, so can't work bar. And I gave her Coca Cola, not tequila.

Her thing is getting ass fucked, except I haven't done it yet. I finger fuck her ass and pussy, she loves it. Every time she comes over, sge gets a little looser back there. But still too small for my dick.

Maybe next year.

I suspect she will never tell her husband she likes getting fucked in the ass.

[Turgid]

..... I've also attached a few photos of some of the girls I went with...........Ok, the first girl in the spotted bra top, those boobs are enhanced, right?

[Bunky]

I have read that Soi 6 is kinda special? Could someone elaborate in what way?You know what would help Mr. Xiggo? If people who had been to Soi 6 would write a few words on their experience and post it here. Then Mr. Xiggo could follow the instructions from Mr. 11 Bravo on how to search old posts for a specific topic.

[Axel Heyst]

I recently posted a 23 day diary of my trip to Pattaya. It was very long so I wouldn't expect people to read all of it, so I thought it might be useful to do a summary post including info on prices, venues and my opinion on what's good and what's bad. I've also attached a few photos of some of the girls I went with. All information is correct as of late November 2022.

SOI 6

This proved to my favourite hunting ground on the trip. There are lots of bars and lots of pretty girls to be found. I target younger girls aged 18-20, and there were lots that fell in to that category. I fucked girls in Wrath (x2), Avarice, Lust, Sexy in the City, Ruby Club, Repent, Kawaii, Helicopter and Horny Bar. The prices are fairly standard. The room upstairs is generally 400, although Helicopter is 350 and a few of the other bars are 500. Rooms are fairly basic, little more than a hard double bed and a bathroom where you can shower. Some of them have mirrors which is always fun.

The price for the girls is generally 1000 but often the prettier ones will try for 1500 (eight out of the ten girls I went with quoted 1500). On every occasion the girl immediately accepted my counter-offer of 1000 'plus tip if you make me smile'. Take your own condoms. Of the ten girls I fucked, only twice did I pay more than 1000. One of those occasions was a standout girl in Wrath who quoted 2000 and accepted my 1300 counter-offer. Sometimes you know a girl's value and I felt this girl wouldn't struggle to find another customer. The other occasion I paid 2000 was for 90 minutes in her own bedroom.

FREELANCE

I get a kick out of street action. I normally have a night in the bars but if I lose track of time and 2 am comes around and I haven't got a girl, I'll happily trawl around for a streetwalker. A lot of people report on the forum about freelancers at 'Coconut Bar', aka under the palm trees on Beach Road, but I'll admit I have zero experience as I prefer to find one closer to my hotel room. You can find them dotted along Soi Buakhao, although at least half of them are ladyboys. But if you persevere you can find diamonds in the rough for bargain basement prices.

I picked up three freelancers on my trip. Two of them charged 1000 baht for short-time, one of them just 700. The surprising thing was the quality of the girls. I'll freely admit, the first girl wouldn't win any beauty contests but it was my first night, it was 3 am and I was desperate! But the other two girls were great, including one with the biggest natural tits I've seen in Asia.

After 2 am a lot of the bar-girls on Tree Town and Soi LK Metro go to the clubs on Walking Street, where you can procure their services for a fraction of the cost you'd pay if you met them in their bar. Another good source of freelancers is websites like Thaifriendly but that's something that doesn't interest me.

BEER BARS

Tree Town has the main concentration of beer bars in Pattaya and there are lots more to be found on the streets nearby, like Soi Buakhao and Soi Pothole. The beer-bar complex alongside Tree Town, towards where the old Soi Made in Thailand used to be, has some gems too. My favourite bars for pretty girls are Vixen, Oh Bar, Moonlight, Annie Jacks (early in the evening) and Area 52 / Ass 94 (they are sister bars and girls alternate between the two). Inferno and Pitstop on Soi Pothole have some nice girls too. But the scene changes so quickly and good-looking girls pop up in lots of different places, so my recommendation is to walk around and explore.

The bar-fines can be complicated with every bar seemingly different. Oh for the good old days when you could go to Simon's and know the bar-fine in every bar without having to ask! Most bars now seem to favour a two-tier pricing structure, for example 1000 baht before 11 pm and 500 baht after. If this is the case, don't panic, there's a good chance your favourite girl will still be there after 11 pm as girls make a lot of money from lady-drinks, so they won't want to be long-timed too early. Other bars, for example Oh Bar, base their bar-fine on whether you plan to take the girl for short-time (500) or long-time (800).

Girl prices vary too. 1500 for short-time seems to be the going rate for pretty girls, although some girls quoted 1000 baht (much more likely late at night). If a girl asks for 2000, I counter-offered with 1500 and they always accepted. I only bar-fined one girl for long-time, who quoted 3000 but accepted 2500. She must have liked me because second time I bar-fined her she quoted 2000. Bear in mind I target the younger girls. If you prefer older girls then I'm sure you could shave 500 baht or more off these prices.

The beer bar complexes along Soi Diana are cheaper but generally have older girls, aged over 30. There are of course exceptions and I bar-fined a cute 19 year old and a 20 year old Cambodian girl. I paid just 300 and 400 baht for the bar-fines and both girls asked for 2000 for short time but immediately accepted 1500.

In the bars, you will get chatting to a lot of girls and there will inevitably be knockbacks. If a girl says she doesn't go with customers, it's most likely she does but doesn't want to go with a customer right now (perhaps they are just back from a short-time or maybe they ration themselves to a set amount of customers per week). Don't take it personally, it's all part of the game. Smile and be friendly and quite often the same girl will be more open to contract negotiations on another night.

GOGO BARS

I used to be the world's biggest fan of gogo bars. They generally have the youngest, prettiest girls and it's a great way to spend an evening, hopping from one bar to another. But they've gone downhill quickly in my opinion and the prices are all over the place.

At the Soi LK Metro gogo bars the general price for the bar-fine is 1500 baht or 1000 after midnight but every bar seems to have its own prices. Some bars have a two-tiered system depending on what time of night you pay the bar-fine and some have different prices depending on what colour wristband the girls are wearing. The bar-fine prices on Walking Street are between 1500 and 2000. The prices are crazy. Once you add the cost of the girl, you could be paying 5000 or more just for short-time. I could fuck a Baywatch babe style glamour model in the UK for that kind of money.

Don't get me wrong, there are pretty girls at the gogo bars, but you can find girls of a similar quality elsewhere in Pattaya for a fraction of the price. To give you an example of that, I spent a frustrating night on Walking Street so decided to head back to my hotel. By chance I bumped in to a freelancer on Soi Buakhao with the biggest natural tits I've seen in Asia, who gave me a very enjoyable short-time session (complete with tit-wank to finish) for just 1000 baht. If she worked at a bar on Walking Street she'd have been one of the most popular girls and I'd have had to pay at least quadruple the price.

The pressure to buy lady-drinks on Walking Street is off the scale. At one bar I bought a drink for a girl and a waitress appeared with a tray of tequila shots. Five times I told her 'no thank you'. At Fahrenheit a sour-faced waitress probably cost the bar money by trying to pressure me in to paying the bar-fine before I was ready. She completely killed the vibe with the girl I was interested in.

It seems to me the gogo bars are now far more geared towards making money from keeping the girls in the bar and getting drinks bought for them, than letting the girls get bar-fined. And it seems to be working too because every gogo bar I went in to was packed with customers with barely a free seat available.

SOI HONEY

I'm usually a big fan of the massage-with-extras places along Soi Honey. It's a convenient, quick and enjoyable way to procure an afternoon quickie. See a girl you like, walk inside with her to a curtained cubicle (or as seems more prevalent these days, your own room) and have a massage before the real fun begins. However on this trip the quality of girls on Soi Honey has dipped considerably, with mainly washed up old pros and ladyboys. However, if you're lucky there are gems to be found for cheap prices. Paradise, near the Soi Buakhao end of the street, and Benja Massage, about halfway up to 2nd Road, seem to be the best bets for pretty girls.

The prices are pretty much the same as Soi 6. I paid 1300 for a massage and full service with a lovely 20 year old from Khon Kaen at one place and the same price for a filthy porn-style encounter with a cougar on another night. On Soi Pothole I paid 1200 all-in for some of the best sex of the trip at a small massage shop.

SOAPIES

I believe a soapy body-to-body massage is a bucket-list experience for any red-blooded male. Yes they're expensive but the sensation of having a nubile young hottie slipping and sliding her body all over yours, is an experience you are not likely to forget.

Sabai Dee used to be my favourite soapy massage parlour, which is located on 2nd Road, a short walk away from Terminal 21. However when I visited on this trip there were only ten girls and the quality was average. The prices ranged from 2300 up to 3800 depending on which colour badge the girl was wearing. The girls in the lower price bracket were just average older girls in pushup bras. It was only once the girls were wearing 3300 badges that the girls stirred my interest.

Honey 2, a short walk away, was far more promising, with 25 girls and more prettier ones too. Again the cost of the girl depends on the colour of badge they are wearing. A red badge is 2200, blue 2700, black (M) 3300, white (V) 3900 and yellow (S) 4600. Honey 2 has two working shifts, 10 am to 6 pm and 6 pm to 2 am, so I think 5. 30 pm could be the best time to visit to give you the best choice.

GENTS CLUBS

I was hoping to visit plenty of gents clubs on this trip, after a very enjoyable game, set and match with Thailand's answer to Emma Radacanu at King's Club on my last trip, but for a variety of reasons it never really happened. I didn't visit the clubs on Soi Boomerang but made a fleeting visit to Soi Bongkot. Although there were only three girls at Amsterdam I was impressed with the quality and was told a room costs 300 baht and it's 1500 to the lady for a full service. Carre Blanc next door had generally older girls but since it started raining heavily outside and we were effectively stranded until it stopped, I couldn't resist an emergency blowjob from a foxy blond with fake tits. She offered a very enjoyable hoovering service for just 500 baht.

When I'm back in Pattaya in February I want to explore the gents clubs on Soi Pothole more. High Rollers gets good reviews but when I visited at 1 am it felt more like a gogo bar, packed with male customers and three average girls dancing. I did buy a drink for a pretty girl but she told me that she doesn't go with customers. Perhaps I went at the wrong time of night or perhaps I was just unlucky. Maggie Mays generally has older girls outside but some definitely fall in to the MILF category. I fucked a nice girl at another gents club a little further along the street called X Bar. The cost for the room and a very enjoyable session came to 1500 baht.

LINE

A lot of the prices I've mentioned are the prices I was quoted at a first meeting. But all of the girls have the Line app on their phone and when you get to know a girl you can certainly negotiate lower prices. I invited a number of girls to my room for afternoon quickies for 1000 baht before they started their shift.

AND FINALLY...

If you are interested, video and commentary from my time in Pattaya is now being uploaded on my friend's Youtube channel, Eyes of Owen.This is a great summation of your recent trip. Thanks for adding it to your already posted well written reports Sir Lancelot. You lay it all out: the good, the bad, and the ugly. 555. A lot has changed since I last left LOS in June 2019. I am going to save your summary as a current roadmap of where Pattaya is today.

[Explorer8939]

You know what would help Mr. Xiggo? If people who had been to Soi 6 would write a few words on their experience and post it here. Then Mr. Xiggo could follow the instructions from Mr. 11 Bravo on how to search old posts for a specific topic.Soi 6 features dozens of nearly identical open bars with a crew of younger ladies with minimal English. The standard play is to buy a drink for a lady, then go Short Time.

Which means that many ladies are doing 5 or 6 fucks per day.

[Giannis Gianni]

Now that High Season is here, thousands of newbie tourists are coming to Thailand. The ladies know this, and are using their skills to convince new customers that they love them very much. Thai ladies are probably the best at snagging boyfriends in a short period of time.

Of course, it's not real, but you really don't want to go to Pattaya for a short time and then get hooked by a bargirl into sending her money after you go home.

Apart from the probability that she has a Thai boyfriend, giving a lady money for nothing is stupid. Don't be stupid.

I often lie in bed with Thai ladies chatting with their sponsors, and then fuck them after they hang up. Of course, Thai ladies will not chat with their Thai boyfriends while they are in bed with a customer.

Anyway, don't get hooked into sponsorship.Does anyone know a real person who Sponsors bargirls.

If so can you estimate their IQ. Hahaha.

It's Insanity.

[Giannis Gianni]

You know what would help Mr. Xiggo? If people who had been to Soi 6 would write a few words on their experience and post it here. Then Mr. Xiggo could follow the instructions from Mr. 11 Bravo on how to search old posts for a specific topic.Credibility is an issue. Without photos Field Reports have little value.

Prices and quality of girls not matching up. Except, Explorers pricing match up. Haha.

I checked Eyes of Owen. Scroll looking for live shots of hot young pretty Soi 6 ers. Didn't find a one.

[Downandup]

I am now on two days into my holiday and it's already looking far better than this time last year or last June. Last December it was a ghost town with 80% of places closed, June was better when even more places opened up. This high season seems quiet to me, I was expecting more people around but I guess that the number of falang's are not as good as other years and that the Indians are not interested in the places that we go. Prices have gone up too, so far not been able to get a ST for 1000 from TF. Nor could I find anyone that does a good long prostate massage, I think that I will have to pay a visit to Ola.

[Giannis Gianni]

I am now on two days into my holiday and it's already looking far better than this time last year or last June. Last December it was a ghost town with 80% of places closed, June was better when even more places opened up. This high season seems quiet to me, I was expecting more people around but I guess that the number of falang's are not as good as other years and that the Indians are not interested in the places that we go. Prices have gone up too, so far not been able to get a ST for 1000 from TF. Nor could I find anyone that does a good long prostate massage, I think that I will have to pay a visit to Ola.Without Chinese taking up 1,000's and 1,000's of room nights I don't know how Pattaya can be busy. Not logical. Are there that many Indians left.

David Strachan of UTube always seems to use the word QUIET when describing the nightlife on his bike rides.

[Giannis Gianni]

I am now on two days into my holiday and it's already looking far better than this time last year or last June. Last December it was a ghost town with 80% of places closed, June was better when even more places opened up. This high season seems quiet to me, I was expecting more people around but I guess that the number of falang's are not as good as other years and that the Indians are not interested in the places that we go. Prices have gone up too, so far not been able to get a ST for 1000 from TF. Nor could I find anyone that does a good long prostate massage, I think that I will have to pay a visit to Ola.Buzzin spilled the Besns. On a reply on his channel he said Pattaya is 50 % of what it usually is at this time of year.

Merry Christmas.

[MongerHunger]

I am now on two days into my holiday and it's already looking far better than this time last year or last June. Last December it was a ghost town with 80% of places closed, June was better when even more places opened up. This high season seems quiet to me, I was expecting more people around but I guess that the number of falang's are not as good as other years and that the Indians are not interested in the places that we go. Prices have gone up too, so far not been able to get a ST for 1000 from TF. Nor could I find anyone that does a good long prostate massage, I think that I will have to pay a visit to Ola.What are the rates on Beach Road? Surely 1000 or less.

[Explorer8939]

For whatever reasons, I am getting cancellation from a lot of ladies lately. I am sure some are canceling because they have found a better customer (more money, longer time), but some are truly sick. There seems to be a new bug going around that causes a fever. Nothing new about bugs in Pattaya, I used to get sick back when I was doing short holidays.

Since I am leaving town soon, I am scheduling 3 ladies per day. When 1 cancels, it is not a big deal. Today, 2 cancelled.

[Explorer8939]

Buzzin spilled the Besns. On a reply on his channel he said Pattaya is 50 % of what it usually is at this time of year.

Merry Christmas.50% of last year? 2020? Or 2019?

[Explorer8939]

I should get a gold star for this.

The queen of the Bamboo Bar came to drink in my condo tonight. The Bamboo Bar is the geriatric bar, where Thai ladies go to pick off the weak and infirm. This lady is silicon enhanced and shapely, but has a German husband. So, she was off limits to me. To a point.

We drank a lot, and she started to talk about getting down to business. But I had a moral dilemma, even though I was paying her 2000 baht, because of the husband thing. But its hard to say no when she is sucking your dick.

What stopped me from full sex was when I realized that she just wanted me to cum, she had no interest in finishing herself. Maybe that's a Thai thing, maybe its her age, but I realized that she was into sex to make the man happy, and not for her own gratification. So, I eased my way out of there, and sent her packing.

Obviously, there are situations where you just pump and go, but outside of those, if the lady can't have fun, what is the point?

[MartinFlevo]

Does anyone know a real person who Sponsors bargirls.

If so can you estimate their IQ. Hahaha.

It's Insanity.I know someone who made that rookie mistake. Has nothing to do with IQ. Maybe you are though guy and all but most guys who visit Pattaya are overwhelmed by everything. It's easy (and tricky) to fall in love. Hey and what's a 100 euro. Thats how it goes.

It's part of the experience and part of the learning curve probably MOST guys had.

Live and learn.

We're all sad fuckers because we need to pay for pussy anyway. So show some respect to you fellow mongers.

[Lefeu]

This is a great summation of your recent trip. Thanks for adding it to your already posted well written reports Sir Lancelot. You lay it all out: the good, the bad, and the ugly. 555. A lot has changed since I last left LOS in June 2019. I am going to save your summary as a current roadmap of where Pattaya is today.I agree with you, a great trip report But, I suggest that you reference the original post and avoid duplicating the article. Just less spam. Thanks.

[Vector313]

I know someone who made that rookie mistake. Has nothing to do with IQ. Maybe you are though guy and all but most guys who visit Pattaya are overwhelmed by everything. It's easy (and tricky) to fall in love. Hey and what's a 100 euro. Thats how it goes.

It's part of the experience and part of the learning curve probably MOST guys had.

Live and learn.

We're all sad fuckers because we need to pay for pussy anyway. So show some respect to you fellow mongers.Respect to you for this post. It seems respect for fellow mongers, the girls, and the Thai people, in general, seem to be taken for granted by a lot of people on this board.

[Sir Lancelot]

Credibility is an issue. Without photos Field Reports have little value.

Prices and quality of girls not matching up. Except, Explorers pricing match up. Haha.

I checked Eyes of Owen. Scroll looking for live shots of hot young pretty Soi 6 ers. Didn't find a one.With respect I've written about 12,000 words about Soi 6 over the past few months, including a lengthy post I wrote just a few days ago with a broken wrist! It even had photos.

Other people have written excellent recent reports too. And if all of those lacks 'credibility', you always have the option of showing some initiative yourself and googling the bars (Google is a widely used search engine people use to discover information about lots of different things). Bars on Soi 6 have all got their own websites / Facebook pages with up-to-date, current pics of the girls. The reason you can't find 'live shots of hot young girls' is that hot young girls don't want strangers pointing a camera at them.

I don't recall seeing anyone on this forum who needs spoon-feeding as much as you.

[Mr Enternational]

Other people have written excellent recent reports too. And if all of those lacks 'credibility', you always have the option of showing some initiative yourself and googling the bars (Google is a widely used search engine people use to discover information about lots of different things). Google for what? You know it is the same person trolling. If he was that interested he would leave the computer and the basement and go see for himself. But he is just here to say the same shit under different names.

[Banana Boi]

David Strachan of UTube always seems to use the word QUIET when describing the nightlife on his bike rides.Yes he says Sensations gogo bar is quiet because there are no girls outside. Never have been girls outside except for that 1 hostess girl for years and used to be 150+girls inside. Only 60 girls inside now but I have little respect for a guy who doesn't actually go into a gogo bar to see how it is and instead makes his judgment based on the number of girls outside or on what he sees on a YouTube video.

Had watched a couple of his videos in preparation of my trip in September. Totally lost respect for him a couple of weeks ago when the thumbnail said "Welcome to Pin Up agogo" and a photo of 2 hostess girls who have been there for years. Dude didn't even go inside Pin Up or even stop his bike to talk to a couple of girls as he rode by Pin Up.

[Giannis Gianni]

I know someone who made that rookie mistake. Has nothing to do with IQ. Maybe you are though guy and all but most guys who visit Pattaya are overwhelmed by everything. It's easy (and tricky) to fall in love. Hey and what's a 100 euro. Thats how it goes.

It's part of the experience and part of the learning curve probably MOST guys had.

Live and learn.

We're all sad fuckers because we need to pay for pussy anyway. So show some respect to you fellow mongers.I don't think you understand concept of Sponsoring a Bargirl. It's done with the understanding Girl will not work Bar anymore as long as man sends $500 every month.

I think I overtiped the other day. Worlds away from Sponsoring a lovely Bargirl. Big difference.

[Giannis Gianni]

Yes he says Sensations gogo bar is quiet because there are no girls outside. Never have been girls outside except for that 1 hostess girl for years and used to be 150+girls inside. Only 60 girls inside now but I have little respect for a guy who doesn't actually go into a gogo bar to see how it is and instead makes his judgment based on the number of girls outside or on what he sees on a YouTube video.

Had watched a couple of his videos in preparation of my trip in September. Totally lost respect for him a couple of weeks ago when the thumbnail said "Welcome to Pin Up agogo" and a photo of 2 hostess girls who have been there for years. Dude didn't even go inside Pin Up or even stop his bike to talk to a couple of girls as he rode by Pin Up.You do realize thumbnail s are thumbnails. It's like reports without photos. 1,000 baht hot girls everywhere. Clickbait Bro.

Hard to Doctor his vids as he rides his bike.

But my judgement is right. You take several data points and come to your conclusion.

[Giannis Gianni]

With respect I've written about 12,000 words about Soi 6 over the past few months, including a lengthy post I wrote just a few days ago with a broken wrist! It even had photos.

Other people have written excellent recent reports too. And if all of those lacks 'credibility', you always have the option of showing some initiative yourself and googling the bars (Google is a widely used search engine people use to discover information about lots of different things). Bars on Soi 6 have all got their own websites / Facebook pages with up-to-date, current pics of the girls. The reason you can't find 'live shots of hot young girls' is that hot young girls don't want strangers pointing a camera at them.

I don't recall seeing anyone on this forum who needs spoon-feeding as much as you.You are the only one seeing hot young and pretty all over Pattaya for 1 k. Sorry but it just raises red flags.

Good on you for blurring out real girls faces but without a face it's without a face. Hahaha.

[Giannis Gianni]

Please don't be offended by my posts. All in Fun.

Remember we are lower than low in the eyes of most Thais.

[Explorer8939]

I don't think you understand concept of Sponsoring a Bargirl. It's done with the understanding Girl will not work Bar anymore as long as man sends $500 every month.

I think I overtiped the other day. Worlds away from Sponsoring a lovely Bargirl. Big difference.Send $500 to bargirl, she gives it to her Thai boyfriend. Doesn't stop working. I knew a lady who received 200,000 baht to stop working. Didn't stop working. Got another sucker giving her 70,000 baht to stop working.

It all ended when she got preggers in Pattaya with a customer.

I had a lady in my bed last night who is sponsored up. She doesn't work bar, just works freelance.

I know gogo dancers with multiple sponsors. They still go with customers.

I know a lady who worked bar, and had 5 sponsors. #5 came to tell her he was finished as a sponsor. Big cry. Meanwhile, she was living with a Farang boyfriend.

I took a bargirl to Singapore. Her sponsor called constantly, but he called her constantly when she was in Pattaya. She got so fed up, she handed me the phone and told me to deal with him.

[Banana Boi]

Are you guys for or against videos like these? Pretty certain Bryan Flowers wouldn't be impressed. Neither would the 3 Asian guys in the video. I'm assuming the Farang in the video are ok with this because they are Ross Reid or his buddies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs_YzObrkUE

I expect more videos like these from Ross Reid given this video has received 76k views in 3 weeks and his other videos average around 200 views.

[Paolo99]

You are the only one seeing hot young and pretty all over Pattaya for 1 k. Sorry but it just raises red flags.

Good on you for blurring out real girls faces but without a face it's without a face. Hahaha.I never look at these videos on Youtube, I saw that after looking at BananaBoi's video.

The girl in front of Lisa bar, at minute 6.14, not hot young and pretty?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOYhsjg4vfg

[RakSopheni]

Remember we are lower than low in the eyes of most Thais.I'm not really sure where you are getting your information or how you are forming this thought.

Sit in one spot and watch the Mongers go by one day. You will see a wide variety of human specimens from repulsive and ill-kept to well dressed, handsome and muscled. Thais, like most people, judge primarily on individual merits and characteristics. If anything you are projecting Western values on the practice of solicitation, which does not have the same negative connotation in Asia and other parts of the world. Also as most foreign travelers to Thailand do have some amount of money, this gives them a baseline face value of above average.

[Turgid]

..... If anything you are projecting Western values on the practice of solicitation, which does not have the same negative connotation in Asia.....Prostitution is severely frowned upon in the West but sad to say there are many more perverts and deviants in the West than anywhere else.

[RakSopheni]

Prostitution is severely frowned upon in the West but sad to say there are many more perverts and deviants in the West than anywhere else."Perverts and deviants" abound in all demographics, races and ethnicities. You see them in Thailand because they cannot afford to indulge in their home countries and leverage their purchasing power to acquire sex here. If the USD / THB dynamic was reversed, Thai men would be traveling to Las Vegas and Miami to purchase sex in droves.

This scenario points out another axiom- that given the right circumstances all women will engage in prostitution. Carve out the American middle class even more and see what happens- is already happening- in the US.

[Ulalaulala123]

Completed my solo mongering trip to Thailand few weeks back. Stayed in pattaya for 1 week and tasted around 10-11 girls. From street freelancers, the massage girls outcall to hotel for a nice massage followed by boom boom to the famous soapies like honey2, sabai dee and pp.

In a nutshell, I found the freelancers to be the cheapest, also younger (early 20's) and better looking. The chances of finding a great looking one increases if you take your time to walk along the beach road and take your pick. I was skeptical of bringing them to the room but later realized it's perfectly safe if basic precautions are taken (booking a decent hotel, keeping valuables in a safe etc).

Damage - 1000 baht. Some not so good looking ones will even go down to 600-700 but looks are a priority for me, so skipped them.

Massage outcall was bit pricier but a really good and relaxed experience. Damage - 2500 baht for 2 hrs (massage + boom boom).

I found soapies to be the priciest with ok looking but older girls (in their early thirties). In the 5 times I visited them, only 2 times I met girls in late 20's and 3 times I met chicks in early 30's. Almost all of them were fun, so not complaining about that, but I like younger chicks. I tried mostly in the 2700-3500 baht bracket.

Is it a norm for soapies to have not so young chicks?

[Mr Enternational]

Is it a norm for soapies to have not so young chicks?Yep. What young chick do you know that is going to be able to sit still up there all day?

[Ostevo]

Completed my solo mongering trip to Thailand few weeks back. Stayed in pattaya for 1 week and tasted around 10-11 girls. From street freelancers, the massage girls outcall to hotel for a nice massage followed by boom boom to the famous soapies like honey2, sabai dee and pp.

In a nutshell, I found the freelancers to be the cheapest, also younger (early 20's) and better looking. The chances of finding a great looking one increases if you take your time to walk along the beach road and take your pick. I was skeptical of bringing them to the room but later realized it's perfectly safe if basic precautions are taken (booking a decent hotel, keeping valuables in a safe etc).

Damage - 1000 baht. Some not so good looking ones will even go down to 600-700 but looks are a priority for me, so skipped them.

Massage outcall was bit pricier but a really good and relaxed experience. Damage - 2500 baht for 2 hrs (massage + boom boom).Your suggestions on decent hotels?

[Banana Boi]

Is it a norm for soapies to have not so young chicks?Pre-COVID they had young ones but those were in the 4000-5000 category. I would actually consider some of them as pretty back then. They've always had lots of old ladies and plump ones in the cheaper categories. Agree the soapies were gawd awful when I was there last month.

[MartinFlevo]

given the right circumstances all women will engage in prostitution. You mean WRONG circumstances.

[CaliGuy33]

You mean WRONG circumstances.You must be blue pilled or living under a rock.

Pretty clear the modern world and social media have brought out the true nature of women which is to use their bodies to extract resources from men. It is what it is, you just have to accept it and role with it, hence why more and more mwn are becoming mongers as modern dating / marriage is just an extension of prostitution where the guy is paying for it. This is a hard thing for most men to comprehend, the idea that we all pay for it in some form or fashion.

BRIFFAULT'S law: The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

[Lefeu]

"Perverts and deviants" abound in all demographics, races and ethnicities. You see them in Thailand because they cannot afford to indulge in their home countries and leverage their purchasing power to acquire sex here. If the USD / THB dynamic was reversed, Thai men would be traveling to Las Vegas and Miami to purchase sex in droves.

This scenario points out another axiom- that given the right circumstances all women will engage in prostitution. Carve out the American middle class even more and see what happens- is already happening- in the US.Indeed, that's what they do now but call it differently.

[Thampi62]

but I like younger chicks.If one is very lucky will get the benefit of young texture. Other wise all will be the same. If it is little more older, communication, companionship and performance will be much better. My school of thought.

[Thampi62]

Indeed, that's what they do now but call it differently.When the normal get boring any deviants and pervertion can happen but it will be masked by financial power and exposed in underdogs.

[Explorer8939]

I go to Brazil tomorrow, so the last few days have been an assembly line of fucks.

I had a big tittied MILF come over in the morning because I wantee to play with her tits while she rode me.

A junior MILF spent the afternoon, ending with a fuck.

One of the twins spent the night. Oddly, she reacted very strangely when I finger fucked her, almost crying. She wouldn't explain. Anyway, this morning she left to go see her regular customer.

But not before my massage lady came and gave her a massage. Once the overnight lady left I gave the massage lady a quick fuck. During foreplay, I tried different styles of masterbation, from light touching of her clit to more forceful finger fucking. She would respond by opening her legs or closing them, depending on how she felt.

I am waiting for my afternoon lady, a silicon enhanced MILF who is divorcing her Farang husband. Her Thai boyfriend moved to Udon Thani, so she isn't getting laid so much now.

The other twin will spend the night with me.

Its a tough schedule, but I will be flying for the next 24 hours.

[11Bravo]

Posted links to both Sir Lancelot's and Lanthano summary FR's in the ROD'S thread. Things do change, but great reference points.


Unfortunately, I have now finally turned into that guy that looks back with nostalgia to the past (even if that's 2016) and remarks with dismay that Pattaya is worse than it should be.My feeling on this (I agree wrt Bangkok) always reminds me of the last scene in the The Wild Bunch: "It ain't like it used to be, but, uh, it'll do.".


My remedy: Become that tightass that asks the girl whether she barfines (and all the others) before buying any lady drinks. Of course that makes for a fun time in the bars. Look. If I want to become an alcoholic, I can do so at home. I come to Thailand for the possibility of sex.I view it as the girl should be auditioning for me for a night's contract. If she's sitting with me for lady drinks, she will be sadly disappointed and quickly move on, opening up the landing slot for another. For a lady drink, she should be entertaining, fun to talk with, even if it's limited English. I've never gone to a bar to drink; I can do that cheaper in the room. I go there to find company, entertaining company in many different aspects.


Thailand is worth it for LT. ST you can get anywhere the world over.For ME, the best LT's were in the glory days of DXB in the aughts. After the first bar meeting, simple to call a PRC up, she'd take a taxi to my place (reimbursed), we'd go to the supermarket to buy food (she'd be excellent in picking FRESH vegetables, no compunction about pulling off the brown leaves or wilted stalks of broccoli or cauliflower (neither of which I ate before PRC style cooking), saying "we're not paying for that), back home, she'd cook dinner with enough extra for lunch tomorrow, she'd insist on cleaning (my condo was bachelor clean, my feeling is dust is God's way of showing you what you don't use, but she'd take offense at the dust), then some conversation, then upstairs for some more entertainment, 2 shots: BBBJ / CIM, she'd massage me, I'd massage her (seems a number of them's idea of foreplay was "bend over and brace" so with some attention they could be quite pleased) then CFS. In the morning, her choice of what for a morning wakeup, with a number preparing breakfast plus my dinner for that night. Now that was LT.


You know what would help Mr. Xiggo? If people who had been to Soi 6 would write a few words on their experience and post it here. Then Mr. Xiggo could follow the instructions from Mr. 11 Bravo on how to search old posts for a specific topic.Now wouldn't THAT be a perfect place to find info, if only there were some informative FR's ....


Last Taxi from Pattaya to the BKK Airport the driver (a lady) was playing a game that looked like Tetris all the way to BKK. Completely engaged on her phone. Guess she was gambling.And that would be about the time I changed taxis ....


Yes he says Sensations gogo bar is quiet because there are no girls outside. Never have been girls outside except for that 1 hostess girl for years and used to be 150+girls inside. Only 60 girls inside now but I have little respect for a guy who doesn't actually go into a gogo bar to see how it is and instead makes his judgment based on the number of girls outside or on what he sees on a YouTube video. Had watched a couple of his videos in preparation of my trip in September. Totally lost respect for him a couple of weeks ago when the thumbnail said "Welcome to Pin Up agogo" and a photo of 2 hostess girls who have been there for years. Dude didn't even go inside Pin Up or even stop his bike to talk to a couple of girls as he rode by Pin Up.Intel via YouTube videos? Good for how to repair a sprinkler head, but for entertainment? It's obvious from FR's who provides actionable intel, but IMHO there is NOTHING like your own BOTG (boots on the ground) for the true scene as everyone's eyes will see things differently. Your damsel might be my "meh", and my goddess might be your "are you kidding?"


If one is very lucky will get the benefit of young texture. Other wise all will be the same. If it is little more older, communication, companionship and performance will be much better. My school of thought.Agreed. 2 of my fav's are in their 40's, look in their 30's, and for me, that's prime given so many, by then, are multi-dimensional. Did meet a 25 year old who had reached that peak early.


You are the only one seeing hot young and pretty all over Pattaya for 1 k. Sorry but it just raises red flags. Good on you for blurring out real girls faces but without a face it's without a face. Hahaha.To misquote Johann Bernoulli, "I recognize the pu**y by his paw". Timmie, Timmie, Timmie, you know, a 2nd string junior varsity wanna-be can change his handle, but the drivel is still the same. Rather than posting your snide comments here, better to spend your time actually trying to talk to your 10 star ladies instead of just ogling them, hoping for the thrill of some eye contact.


You are the only one seeing hot young and pretty all over Pattaya for 1 k. Sorry but it just raises red flags. Good on you for blurring out real girls faces but without a face it's without a face. HahahaThis is a debate that has gone on forever here, clear or blurred faces. I don't think any girl would be happy to have her clear face posted on a forum like this IF they understood exactly what it is. And for those who think otherwise, I say why don't you post YOUR clear face so we can see how high HER standards are. She is in the industry but so are you ....

[Mr Enternational]

I view it as the girl should be auditioning for me for a night's contract. If she's sitting with me for lady drinks, she will be sadly disappointed and quickly move on, opening up the landing slot for another. For a lady drink, she should be entertaining, fun to talk with, even if it's limited English. I've never gone to a bar to drink; I can do that cheaper in the room. I go there to find company, entertaining company in many different aspects.Exactly. Somewhere along the way guys were tricked and led to believe that it is the mandatory standard to walk into a place and start buying lady drinks, the same way Americans were tricked and ingrained that tips are a mandatory part of a meal.

[Explorer8939]

I randomly went into Dive Bar on Soi Chaiyapoon to buy some drinks for an older lady I know there. I was mostly interested in seeing how busy it was in the late afternoon. Not packed with customers, but not dead either. I was told there were more customers at night.

Today I go to Brazil, so I don't want to drink too much during the day.

I did the mid tittied MILF yesterday, then the twin sister of the previous night came over with another junior MILF for drinking. By last night, my dick was running on empty. The twin was ranting about how her Thai husband wants to fuck too much, the other lady was quiet (her boyfriend is only 19, so I suspect she gets lots of quick fucks). I did the the other lady so she could go home, and then hit the bed with the twin. I got out the gel, and worked her clit slowly and gently. After a long time, she started panting, and soon she was ready for a fuck. My poor dick.

I have a couple of MILFs lined up today. One will probably flake out, the other will give me a goodbye fuck.

Then its off to Brazil and Argentina.

[Explorer8939]

Exactly. Somewhere along the way guys were tricked and led to believe that it is the mandatory standard to walk into a place and start buying lady drinks, the same way Americans were tricked and ingrained that tips are a mandatory part of a meal.The wealthy Chinese were on the opposite extreme: they would go into a bar, find a worthy lady, and then hold up as many fingers as they would pay.

No English, so no drinks.

[Tom Thumbbs]

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The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.

[Tom Thumbbs]

I'm Pro Lady drinks.

[Explorer8939]

My overnight lady is normally a dead fish in bed, but last night, she was enjoying herself.

I found out why today, she had a fight with her Thai boyfriend. While she was with me last night, he hit the bars, but told her he went home. She found out he was still at the bars, so she acted out with her pussy.

Good for me, but he will pay the price today.

Or, he will explain to her that when she is fucking another man, he can do what he wants.

This is Thailand, so probably not, if there is money coming, he will let her do what she needs to do.

If you are barfining Thai ladies, just remember that they have personal lives, and sometimes it impacts their performance, for better or worse.

[11Bravo]

The wealthy Chinese were on the opposite extreme: they would go into a bar, find a worthy lady, and then hold up as many fingers as they would pay.As the Thais say, "same, same but different": when I go into a bar, a lady sits down and IMMEDIATELY asks for a lady drink, I hold up ONE finger, can you guess which one?

[Explorer8939]

So I am leaving for Brazil soon, but I asked a couple of ladies to come drink.

The first is a mamasan for a bar on Soi Buakhow. I have never been intimate with her, but when she showed up, I suspected she might be a ladyboy. Along the way, she mentioned she didn't like boom boom, bu as she drank more, she got closer and closer, and her top fell off.

So, we ended up in the bedroom, and the critical moment came when I pulled down her pants. Fortunately, she is a lady.

Her deal is she likes hard masterbation, and wanted 2 rounds. I didn't fuck her because I am just about drained. And we passed out.

I woke up to find that my next lady had arrived. So I escorted the previous lady out without her being spotted by lady #2. Bit of luck there.

And it was shampoo, rinse, repeat, more drinking and then discussion about sex. She complained over and over that her Thai boyfriend's dick was too small, even though he could make her finish. She said her previous boyfriend was more fun, and they could finish together. Whatever.

She really put a lot of effort into it tonight, she's one of those women who loves sex.

But it's almost time to go, so I came and sent her packing back to her boyfriend.

[Paolo99]

Before leaving that place, I asked Paa what's the name of this bar. She repeated the name 3 times but I couldn't understand it. Another day I passed in front of it, but impossible to memorize. The name is strange, nothing like the usual names in soi6.

She is 23 and comes from Kalasin (Eesan), has a one year old baby (some light baby damage) and used to work in a phone shop in Pratunam in Bkk before coming here. Her English is quite good, she can easily communicate.

Paa's body was exciting despite her beeing short and being a young mom. I think her smile and her relaxed attitude helped.Name of the bar is Maresatis bar.

It's the girl on the left side with the black dress at minute 13.45 (holding her phone in her left hand and touching her ear with the right hand).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8H5cQ0BFk

[Banana Boi]

... make the girls work for the drinks!

I found that on my recent trip I barely bought any LD's. I really stuck to my guns that the girl had to be cute and have her tongue down my throat before I bought her a drink. The exception were girls I already knew but I also knew that once I agreed to a drink there would be DFK and tit grabbing immediately after that. Only 1 disappointment from a Pin Up girl I knew from Soi 6 who sat their like a lump after I ordered her a drink. Damn those Soi 6 girls are spoiled compared to gogo girls.

[Tom Thumbbs]

Been checking out Maggy Mays. Talent has improved Greatly.

Sexy Bar having a huge Christmas party on Christmas. Who's who of Pattaya You Tubing will be there. Kind of a meet and greet meThinks.

Be there or don't be there.

[Tom Thumbbs]

Name of the bar is Maresatis bar.

It's the girl on the left side with the black dress at minute 13.45 (holding her phone in her left hand and touching her ear with the right hand).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8H5cQ0BFk1,000 seems Fair. A bit Flat. I froze the Face but not clear, not ugly.

[Banana Boi]

I heard that What's Up and Imagine reopen on December 25. I can only assume mamasan at Annie Jack's will bring all her What's Up and Imagine girls back to the gogo bar.

Also heard something about Palace but I'll announce that when it's closer to reality.

[FlagRunner77]

... make the girls work for the drinks!

I found that on my recent trip I barely bought any LD's. I really stuck to my guns that the girl had to be cute and have her tongue down my throat before I bought her a drink. The exception were girls I already knew but I also knew that once I agreed to a drink there would be DFK and tit grabbing immediately after that. Only 1 disappointment from a Pin Up girl I knew from Soi 6 who sat their like a lump after I ordered her a drink. Damn those Soi 6 girls are spoiled compared to gogo girls.Absolutely this!

I've recently had my third trip. During the first two trips, I bought far too many drinks, out of politeness. This time, I only bought a drink for a lady after at least a few minutes of talking and deciding that I want to talk to her a little more (and after testing the waters in terms of contact). There wasn't any difference in success rate compared to previous trips when I spent more than double on drinks. I did go back to various bars and GCs a few times, so the ladies knew after the first time that, once I bought a drink, I was generous if the effort was reciprocated. I also refused various requests for drinks at these places, from ladies who just expected it, and it didn't hinder my subsequent visits.

I did buy the odd drink for a lady just because (eg because she made me laugh, or I liked her energy). But that was the exception rather than the rule (unlike previous trips). I saved a fortune!

[11Bravo]

This time, I only bought a drink for a lady after at least a few minutes of talking and deciding that I want to talk to her a little more (and after testing the waters in terms of contact).

I did go back to various bars and GCs a few times, so the ladies knew after the first time that, once I bought a drink, I was generous if the effort was reciprocated.

I also refused various requests for drinks at these places, from ladies who just expected it, and it didn't hinder my subsequent visits.

I did buy the odd drink for a lady just because (eg because she made me laugh, or I liked her energy). But that was the exception rather than the rule (unlike previous trips). I saved a fortune!Pay attention or pay money. The girls are very astute; they know a player and they know a sucker, and they exchange intel with their friends. Up to you which one you want to be, but IMHO, a player will get better service than a sucker.

For me, the instant request for a drink IS helpful as it separates the wheat from the chaff and eliminates her from any further consideration. She quickly leaves and frees up your landing slot for one with actual potential. Don't waste money nor time, both are precious.

[ABlueWave]

Completed my solo mongering trip to Thailand few weeks back. Stayed in pattaya for 1 week and tasted around 10-11 girls. From street freelancers, the massage girls outcall to hotel for a nice massage followed by boom boom to the famous soapies like honey2, sabai dee and pp.

In a nutshell, I found the freelancers to be the cheapest, also younger (early 20's) and better looking. The chances of finding a great looking one increases if you take your time to walk along the beach road and take your pick. I was skeptical of bringing them to the room but later realized it's perfectly safe if basic precautions are taken (booking a decent hotel, keeping valuables in a safe etc).

Damage - 1000 baht. Some not so good looking ones will even go down to 600-700 but looks are a priority for me, so skipped them.

Massage outcall was bit pricier but a really good and relaxed experience. Damage - 2500 baht for 2 hrs (massage + boom boom).

I found soapies to be the priciest with ok looking but older girls (in their early thirties). In the 5 times I visited them, only 2 times I met girls in late 20's and 3 times I met chicks in early 30's. Almost all of them were fun, so not complaining about that, but I like younger chicks. I tried mostly in the 2700-3500 baht bracket.

Is it a norm for soapies to have not so young chicks?Where are you doing outcall massages that include FS? 2500 for 2 hours sounds great to me.

[Gonova]

This is going to be my first trip to Pattaya in 2 weeks and one of my goals was to try and find an attractive Russian girl to spend some time with (along w others). But, none of the street videos I see show ANY Russian bargirls, they used to be on Walking Street outside a Russian club. Is the club gone? Are there any places that have Russian bargirls or freelancers?

[Xiggo]

Anyone have some Intel about XS Agogo?

Price range girls? Barfines?

After some reading I decided not to spend money on a gogobar but one caught my interest.

[TravelingMan3]

This is going to be my first trip to Pattaya in 2 weeks and one of my goals was to try and find an attractive Russian girl to spend some time with (along w others). But, none of the street videos I see show ANY Russian bargirls, they used to be on Walking Street outside a Russian club. Is the club gone? Are there any places that have Russian bargirls or freelancers?Don't worry there are two Russian places they they are both clip joints but you can still land a lady if you are willing to pay fifteen thousand baht. Also be prepared to buy drinks that are like 3 times the price of other gogos.

[Ulalaulala123]

I picked from random parlours near my hotel, the types where 300 baht oil massage is given. They usually don't advertise erotic massage in their menu and the girls / older ladies wear normal dresses, but many such shops also provide outcall. Just make sure to visit one where younger therapists are visible sitting outside.


Where are you doing outcall massages that include FS? 2500 for 2 hours sounds great to me.

[Mr Enternational]

Where are you doing outcall massages that include FS? 2500 for 2 hours sounds great to me.Sounds great except for being about 1000 baht overpriced. Outcall massage from a shop is 500 for 1 hour. Talk the girl into FS for 500. That is 1000 for 1 hour. 1500 would be an in line price for 2 hours.

[Margaya]

Pre covid the place was rocking. So much fun.

I have visited many mongering places after covid. Costa Rica, Colombia etc. Things have changed a lot. Scene is picking up slowly but remains a shadow of itself.

Those of you who have visited Pattaya recently, did you find it worth traveling from other side of the world?

[Tom Thumbbs]

Sounds great except for being about 1000 baht overpriced. Outcall massage from a shop is 500 for 1 hour. Talk the girl into FS for 500. That is 1000 for 1 hour. 1500 would be an in line price for 2 hours.Let the guy have his FUN. 2,500 is not overpriced.

It may be depending Lady quality. Hahaha. But as a baseline price it's Fine.

[Montecristo]

Sounds great except for being about 1000 baht overpriced. Outcall massage from a shop is 500 for 1 hour. Talk the girl into FS for 500. That is 1000 for 1 hour. 1500 would be an in line price for 2 hours.Add 500 for FS seems a little bit optimistic. Is this is a price for under 35 girl? For many years there was the standard of 500/1000/1500 to add HJ, BJ or FS, if things have changed, can be just for worst.

[Mr Enternational]

Add 500 for FS seems a little bit optimistic. Is this is a price for under 35 girl? For many years there was the standard of 500/1000/1500 to add HJ, BJ or FS, if things have changed, can be just for worst.Where did that standard come from? The standard that I have always known is to pay 500 more for FS from a chick that works at a massage shop. I am not a HJ or BJ kind of guy. If I am going then I want the full package.

[Ulalaulala123]

Agreed, 500 for FS seems optimistic. But I didn't negotiate much, thought it will be kind of fixed like in soapies and erotic parlours.

Maybe more experienced mongers are able to bring down by few hundred bahts but 500 still seems unlikely.

My girls were young (around 25).


Add 500 for FS seems a little bit optimistic. Is this is a price for under 35 girl? For many years there was the standard of 500/1000/1500 to add HJ, BJ or FS, if things have changed, can be just for worst.

[Ebauche]

Went last July with my best bud & wingman. Of course, we're the types looking to just kick back and relax, not much into Walking Street. Both trips we've made to Pattaya we have rented private villas through AirBnB, and wifed up for the duration with girls we connected with using ThaiFriendly. Good company, good food, good relaxation, being pampered 24/7 in and out of the bedroom.


Pre covid the place was rocking. So much fun.

I have visited many mongering places after covid. Costa Rica, Colombia etc. Things have changed a lot. Scene is picking up slowly but remains a shadow of itself.

Those of you who have visited Pattaya recently, did you find it worth traveling from other side of the world?

[Tom Thumbbs]

Do Looks Matter.

No way Jose. Just watched a you tube video of a trip Reporter. Not young just regular old English chap.

Doubt he was getting young Hansum Man discount.

He was probably paying market prices for what he got.

Cheers.

[Cusland]

Pre covid the place was rocking. So much fun.

I have visited many mongering places after covid. Costa Rica, Colombia etc. Things have changed a lot. Scene is picking up slowly but remains a shadow of itself.

Those of you who have visited Pattaya recently, did you find it worth traveling from other side of the world?Obviously it's the peak of high season but LK, Soi Buakhao and Chiayapoon are as busy as I ever remember them (plus new areas like Soi Boomerang and Soi 5 Pratumnak). Walking street less so. A few nights ago we couldn't get a seat in Kink (upstairs), Pin Up, Windmill or Farenheit.

Just had some lunch with fantastic views in the Sky Gallery, then Christmas dinner booked for Dicey Reilly's, then heading to walking street for the re-opening of Iron Club and What's Up agogo. Love this city!

[Cusland]

Been checking out Maggy Mays. Talent has improved Greatly.

Sexy Bar having a huge Christmas party on Christmas. Who's who of Pattaya You Tubing will be there. Kind of a meet and greet meThinks.

Be there or don't be there.You mean the odious toads who think it's o. K to film you without permission. Scourge of Pattaya. They are everywhere thinking they are adding value to society.

[Volterra]

Agreed, 500 for FS seems optimistic. But I didn't negotiate much, thought it will be kind of fixed like in soapies and erotic parlours.

Maybe more experienced mongers are able to bring down by few hundred bahts but 500 still seems unlikely.

My girls were young (around 25).I'm in Pattaya now. Even though it's packed with Christmas visitors, the supply of well trained massage girls is still more than plentiful to keep in-shop massage prices down. I paid 200 for 1-hour Thai massage (plus 100 tip) 2 days ago at Risa massage on Soi 8 with very fit and busty 30+ year old who used to do 5-star hotel spas in Phuket. Like others, she is clearly "moonlighting" for add on services, where she can make her real money. The veggie massage part was amazing, she is a real professional. Of course, she did some mild teasing the 2nd half when I got on my back, and when it got to the final 10 minutes, she really went to work on little bro to see if I wanted extra services in the shop. But she was really trying to set up further communication for outcall. She gladly gave me her Line and quoted 3000 for overnight FS (2 shots, no massage) (she said massage outcall would be 'much more expensive' I didn't have her come (yet), because I'd rather go back to her for the cheap amazing veggie massage every couple days.

There were 2-3 younger hotter girls there but they seemed to specialize in foot massage where it's not done in private. The real hottie was the shop manager. Late 20's amazonian, but I don't know how available she'd be for FS. She said her girls specialize (some in private upstairs and others in public downstairs). The places are packed with underworked massage girls on every street. They all seem to have 1-2 younger hotties, 2-3 fit 30's types, and then a bunch of chubbier 30's-40's.

My suggestion would be to go in shop for the first visit and pick your best available one for Thai massage. Then when her hands wander to your LB, tell her not now but ask if she does outcall message + FS or FS only. Then no need to waste money on more expensive outcall massage and can go straight to evil deed ST / LT as you negotiate.

There are so many good massages here that you don't need to pay more than 200-300 for the massage part itself. You will inevitably get the offer for other services, because that's where their real income comes from.

[Volterra]

Went last July with my best bud & wingman. Of course, we're the types looking to just kick back and relax, not much into Walking Street. Both trips we've made to Pattaya we have rented private villas through AirBnB, and wifed up for the duration with girls we connected with using ThaiFriendly. Good company, good food, good relaxation, being pampered 24/7 in and out of the bedroom.It's back in full swing in Pattaya now. Was around 75% last week and the hoardes arrived for Christmas just 2 days ago. Like elsewhere, it is a shadow of what is was pre-covid, but it's definitely roaring fun on all sois, beach front, walking street, etc. As some others have reported, go go bars are becoming a drag with prices going up, fewer hot girls, fewer willing to be barfined (at least early in the evening), and endless milking of newbie visitors for extra drinks with no intention of leaving with them. I'll post some general updates of some places I've visited soon.

But still lots of fun to be had. Thai Friendly, Line, and Coconut Bar will swamp you with ST opportunities 24/7. Beer bars are romping, but lots of grannies at those places (guess they were hot when they first came in in the 80's.). But look at recent trip reports from Sir lancelot. He gives a very accurate up to date about overall situation. A couple sois are out of control with wild fun, and I'm guessing there will be more opportunities than ever later this when when some of the bulging Christmas crowds leave.

So yeah, Pattaya aint what it was but still is a damn fun circus. Book your flight mate.

[Gonova]

Don't worry there are two Russian places they they are both clip joints but you can still land a lady if you are willing to pay fifteen thousand baht. Also be prepared to buy drinks that are like 3 times the price of other gogos.Is this an actual price or are you just saying be prepared to pay SIGNIFICANTLY more?

I'm not sweating the price hike too much. I'm not rolling in it, but I am going to experience some stuff. Just no one covers that market from what I've seen. Just everyone saying its a rip off in the club. But. Is it the same as getting a Thai lady? Or a different dance? As it were.

Appreciate it BTW.

[Explorer8939]

Is this an actual price or are you just saying be prepared to pay SIGNIFICANTLY more?

I'm not sweating the price hike too much. I'm not rolling in it, but I am going to experience some stuff. Just no one covers that market from what I've seen. Just everyone saying its a rip off in the club. But. Is it the same as getting a Thai lady? Or a different dance? As it were.

Appreciate it BTW.The point is that Russian ladies charge insane prices in Pattaya.

[Mr Enternational]

I paid 200 for 1-hour Thai massage (plus 100 tip) 2 days ago at Risa massage on Soi 8 . But she was really trying to set up further communication for outcall. She gladly gave me her Line and quoted 3000 for overnight FS (2 shots, no massage)This should be 1000 baht. I have never had to, but if you must, then absolutely no more than 1500.


My suggestion would be to go in shop for the first visit and pick your best available one for Thai massage. Then when her hands wander to your LB, tell her not now but ask if she does outcall message + FS or FS only. Then no need to waste money on more expensive outcall massage and can go straight to evil deed ST / LT as you negotiate.Only problem with this is that you will have to wait until late at night when the massage shop closes. If not, you will need to pay that 500 baht outcall massage fee that I was talking about earlier. The girl can not just leave the shop in the middle of her shift.

[Goferring]

I'd rather go back to her for the cheap amazing veggie massage every couple days.I'm wondering if her great massage and attitude would continue if she was only making 300 be an hour, session after session? If she realises that there was no opportunities to upsell extras, then she may not be too keen to attract you back.

[Tom Thumbbs]

I'm wondering if her great massage and attitude would continue if she was only making 300 be an hour, session after session? If she realises that there was no opportunities to upsell extras, then she may not be too keen to attract you back.This is True. You got to Feed the fish.

I've seen shops where this fellow has been. We all have seen them. Think indians and feet. No way in frozen depths of hell there are 1- 2 pretty girls in a shop.

You be doing great if you could find1- 2 pretty girl s in all of Pattaya to give a foot massage.

On a positive note the obvious Sex massage shops might have an ok looker or 2.

Biggest Livestreamer on You tube get a veggie massage, usually an hour. Bleepsakes he Tips 20 baht.

Thoughts.

[Tom Thumbbs]

This should be 1000 baht. I have never had to, but if you must, then absolutely no more than 1500.

Only problem with this is that you will have to wait until late at night when the massage shop closes. If not, you will need to pay that 500 baht outcall massage fee that I was talking about earlier. The girl can not just leave the shop in the middle of her shift.How do you know what price should be without seeing her?

Oh never mind it's this guy on pricing. LOL. Hahaha.

[Volterra]

This should be 1000 baht. I have never had to, but if you must, then absolutely no more than 1500.1000 baht for LT overnight (2 sessions, one shot before sleep and one shot in the morning)? I haven't heard anything so low recently. I was talking about LT not ST. I would have gone for 2500 but not 3000, which is why I didn't follow through.


This should be 1000 baht. I have never had to, but if you must, then absolutely no more than 1500.

Only problem with this is that you will have to wait until late at night when the massage shop closes. If not, you will need to pay that 500 baht outcall massage fee that I was talking about earlier. The girl can not just leave the shop in the middle of her shift.Yeah that's a good point. It depends on what time they close up. I arrived at the shop at 9:50 not realizing that they were going to close at 10. She and her colleagues looked at me funny. Then I found out at nearly 11 that everyone else had left except for the hot boss. 10-11 pm wouldn't be bad in my mind, but the outcall convenience, as you say, has its appeal.

[Volterra]

I'm wondering if her great massage and attitude would continue if she was only making 300 be an hour, session after session? If she realises that there was no opportunities to upsell extras, then she may not be too keen to attract you back.That was also on my mind. 200 is what the shop lists on the window and pamphlet when you walk in. But service attitude for repeat sessions at low prices may be another story. I don't have the experience in the massage sector, so I'm not sure. But with FL working girls, it has been as you say. You might get good bargains a couple times, but then they start to fudge, asking for more or giving less.

[Volterra]

This is True. You got to Feed the fish.

I've seen shops where this fellow has been. We all have seen them. Think indians and feet. No way in frozen depths of hell there are 1- 2 pretty girls in a shop.

You be doing great if you could find1- 2 pretty girl s in all of Pattaya to give a foot massage.

On a positive note the obvious Sex massage shops might have an ok looker or 2.

Biggest Livestreamer on You tube get a veggie massage, usually an hour. Bleepsakes he Tips 20 baht.

Thoughts.I'm keeping a closer eye on the shops as I walk past the last couple of days to see if I can make an accurate generalization. Of course, I don't know which girls do the foot messages and which ones do body / oil massages unless I go in or actually see them at work as I walk past. But I'm not (yet) convinced it's as extreme black and white as you put it.

But I saw what I saw in the soi 8 shop and in a good number of other shops. Though I would agree with you that the talent is not what we would all hope.

In fact my greater impression upon returning to Pattaya this past week was the overwhelming preponderance of grannies staffing the massage shops and beer bars throughout the city. Beer bars are the worst. We're talking bar after bar being flooded by nothing but ladies in their 40's, 50's, and I swear even 60's. Some massage shop milfs wouldn't be bad if they could just do a minimum of workout / diet control and lose 5 lbs. But that's another topic.

[Volterra]

One thing increasingly on my mind this trip has been the process for negotiation. I note Sir Lancelot's recurring theme of success in countering offers (eg. , the girl asks 1500 and readily agrees to 1000 counter offer, or asks 3000 and agrees to 2500) at 500 below quoted price.

I've had some of the same luck in this regard when the girl quotes the price and I make the counter offer. But I've also noticed more and more that some girls are asking "how much you want to pay" and then automatically raising 300-500 from my quotation. This has been to my disadvantage (admittedly getting back into the swing of things and also adversely affected by LB calling the shots in my mind-heart-genitalia connection). So I'm trying to get faster on the draw and be the first to ask for price quote so that I can counter offer lower.

I'll tip my hat to some of you champion negotiators, as this is not my best skill (I'm sure many of our bros feel just as amateurish) (and I'm a cheapskate to begin with, ruining many a nights).

Do any of you guys have any thoughts on whether it matters who asks first? Who quotes first? Who makes the counter offer? Or am I overthinking this?

Appreciate your thoughts mates.

[ElMexicant]

Anyone have some Intel about XS Agogo?

Price range girls? Barfines?

After some reading I decided not to spend money on a gogobar but one caught my interest.From SMF.

So I have been in Pattaya about 130 days since beginning of August during rainy season and now high season. Walking Street is still my go to place for entertainment. Frequent Walking Street about 5 nights a week. Do know just little bit about the GoGo bars here and maybe a little bit about the girls. So here is my most up to date list of the best GoGo bars on Pattaya Walking Street. Sorry if you didn't make the list. Trust me, I've visited them ALL so many times, even the new Vy Agogo (old Panda). But at least the rest of the bars can have an internal debate on 6th place and beyond. - the Paw.

Best Walking Street GoGo Bars Ranked as of December 25th 2022.

1. Pin Up.

2. XS.

3. Palace.

4. Baccara.

5. Fahrenheit.

Best Girls Lineup: Pin Up.

PreCovid this award would have gone to Palace hands down. I stayed here during the entire COVID and watch bars try to open and then get shut back down. During that time, there was a change of power. Pin Up Agogo took over that spot, leap frogging Sensations, Baccara, What's Up, Sapphire, and the previous champ Palace. How? Management and ownership was able to lure the better and top girls and staff from the clubs I just mentioned. Seating and music can improve. Lighting is about average. My advice is to change it up a bit. It's a bit repetitive. If I can predict the songs and their order, then so can the girls. If the club seating is like it is with only minimal partial views of the club from a given seat. Then the girls need to parade around more to flirt and not just sit one place or in the back when it's not their rotation. Just my advice.

Best Looking Venue: XS Club.

Same ownership as Pin Up. This is a new club taking over the old Miami nightclub spot. Previously, before that, it was Alcatraz. Remember how dark that place was? XS is nothing like that. The boss put some serious thought into the design. I don't think there is a bad soft seat in the place. Chandelier in the middle is a lovely touch. Like how the LEDS lights reflect off of it. No cheap ping pong balls here. If you want to throw money, only money. Bathroom area is great and clean. Can be quite an adventure just going to the bathroom because it's coed. Girls and number of girls are decent. Girls, not better than Pin Up selection, even though some girls from Pin Up migrated to XS. Black outfits, even lingerie, focuses the eye somewhere else. Just saying I don't like this. Stick to the white. Better for reflection. Single white stockings on a leg does wonders on the customers' eyes and girl's height. Music is better than Pin Up though, as with the LED lighting. One world of advice on lighting for strip clubs. This formula holds true. Red lights + White stage floors + Blue spot lights or flashes = Brighter skin tones. If you don't know what I mean, go look at Baccara's lighting. That's just one of the ways Baccara lures Asians tourists.

Best Music and Environment: Palace.

I always enjoy sitting here listening their music mix. Their music along with the music from Imagine Club and What's Up were always the best on Walking Street. One night, long time ago, the Imagine Club DJ played so much good music, with some help from me and my choice of requests, that I made it rain inside the DJ booth there. It was all his to keep. Imagine Club just reopened last night (Christmas) but I didn't bother. There is a long story behind their closure. Same ownership as What's Up. All can say is in this industry, debt and broken trust, is a deep hole climb out of. Back to Palace. Girls at Palace are decent but far from their Pre COVID line up quality. Not as many in number as before. Some of those bounced to Pin Up. Lighting for the music is bright, lots of lasers. Has a nightclub vibe instead of strip club. Asians like this. Kills two birds with one stone. Palace tends to have alot of the lighter skin dancers, so the club shows them off. Bathroom has been redone and is upstairs. It's nice, roomy, and coed. There has been a remodel to the club up and down, but space is still limited here. It's a small club. For that reason, the girls tend to be more flirty and aggressive. When they are not dancing, they are still only 2 meters away from the customers. Free conversation and flirting are always the beginning of a paid lady drink. Interaction in a small closed space is the advantage. Management knows this.

Best Staff: Baccara.

The Happy Group wait staff rarely change to another club. Peppermint, Baccara, Happy, and Beach Club were their bars. Previous owner passed away last year and now only Baccara and Peppermint remain. They employ a lot of male waitstaff. And I always see them getting drinks and partying with the customers. Perhaps comradery because most are guys? Insider tips on the girls? The smart move here by management is they use the clean up person as the one who pushes drinks to an empty cup, not the waitstaff. That way customers don't get upset at the waiters. The clean up guy goes around and picks up empty glasses and wipes tables even with customers still sitting. When he sees something empty, he calls the waitstaff. So who is the blame? The cleaner? Sneaky move. That way those tips are still preserved for the waitstaff. Bathroom attendant will pop your neck and back for free, not just hand tissue. Girls are decent and plentiful here. Just silly how they are lined up to dance in from of empty chairs and mirrors. Please go back to the old way of parading them on stage, facing one direction, and moving up one space after a few minutes, until they step down or get called by a customer. That parade was so much better.

Best Happy Hour: Fahrenheit.

Not even any competition here because they open early. Most girls at 19:30 pm opening. Lots of pretty hostesses. Lots of dancers. Upstairs and downstairs. Topless. Drinks are 95 baht. Glasses could be a bit bigger, but just tell staff to make it strong and tip her. Club is dark. I have to do some squinting to see girls numbers. Music definitely needs a new pattern or shuffle. It's predictable. Too much hip hop in my honest opinion. Seating is bad for looking in the back, but I guess good for groping if you have a girl already. Girls are more than decent compared to the other options open at this time, Baccara and Windmill, Fahrenheit wins on value and entertainment for Happy Hour. 90 baht draft beer doesn't do it for me at the other two, sorry. I need the hard stuff. Also it's time to remodel that tiny bathroom and get rid of that single towel for everybody in the club.

P.S. Indians are allowed in most clubs (depending on seating avail) besides Palace and Baccara. Don't go in big groups 2-3 max. Dress accordingly. Buy drinks. Behave. Surprisingly, Sensations allows them unlike past history. I would try at 8-8:30 instead of later at night for all other clubs.

Enjoy- the Paw.

[JasonSilva]

Do any of you guys have any thoughts on whether it matters who asks first? Who quotes first? Who makes the counter offer? Or am I overthinking this?

Appreciate your thoughts mates.Never ask. Always tell. But don't quote low and try to negotiate. Just tell your final offer in first message / talk. Girls like to move fast too and like who don't waste their time.

There is no point in saving few hundred baht when you are here for experience and your 2 biggest expenses are flight and hotel. Most of the people here come for 3-10 days.

I normally pay 1500 baht flat, no tips. I ignore other counteroffers as I don't want to waste my time negotiating.

[Stinky Squid]

Been here now for 45 days plus most of my 30 day visa extension. I cannot get this nagging feeling of age discrimination away. I am a little over 50 but frequently guessed at 40. Still, it is too much negative experiences. I have tried to forget that and move on, but it keeps haunting me. But that doesn't mean there is no fun. I go to the same two GoGo places (need to try the list of bests that was recently published, never went into one on Walking Street as I am so convenient around the corner of LK Metro, I just stay here.

First GoGo place I zeroed in on a girl with nice round curves and boobs dancing topless. As usual, I zero in on face though, she has a remarkable overbite like mouth but with plump lips, it is intriguing. That was the first GoGo bar girl ever that I had set my eyes on. As I left from that place after just looking for a half hour or so, there is one on the stage who has eyes I could die for. Oh my God, those eyes. I was going out already so I didn't stop but went back over and over again to get to those eyes. But she always escaped me.

Meanwhile in that GoGo bar, walks up a real cutie with the long black hair and a smile with braces that melts my heart. I smiled as she walked by. She smiled. Then came and sat down next to me. This was the one time probably where the girl coming up to me unsolicited was about 100% my type. (Just not the magic eyes, so it took a bit to fully appreciate her.) I wrote about her as the one who excessively washes her pussy because it does have a bit of a smell. But she is so cute. What happened is after we were together I thought I wouldn't see her again, because it wasn't that great and then the issue. But, fast forward about 2 weeks, as I went back to find my magic eyes and finally connect with her, I see a bubbly girl dancing next to her, and I try to not make eye contact with her because I really wanted the attention of the magic eyes. But that bubbly girl inserted herself and sat next to me. And it took me a moment to remember it was her. At least I remembered her name, and she didn't remember mine. BUT I found it a really nice touch that she came up to me again and did remember me.

Meanwhile I also checked out those Gentlemen's Club alias Blowjob Bars, including Excite Club and once in King's Club. King's was not my thing, the ladies too old and curvy I guess. But in Excite I had one who sat outside and was my type (it seems like I have a magnet for the fake shorter hair blondes and the black long haired ones who I really want tend to ignore me. Curious, if that means that the black long haired are more attractive (and therefore more aloof) then why the fook do the others cut and die their hair? I will never get it. Anyway, so there is the one who is more my type, and upon eye contact it was confirmed that she was open for me. Carpe diem and I walked up and we went in. She gets an A+ rating for (a) noticing what I like and keep doing it (kissing in a special way that's not actually so intrusive that it can't just be done, I really loved that touch, and (b) she was making sure I left satisfied, and it wasn't easy as I took some time. So that was nice. And I walk past there frequently and when I saw her again I at least chatted briefly, and on the next weekend went with her again. 1000 for girl (like I said, patient, way over an hour) 300 for room (no annoying knock, but also not full of customers that day). I do the drink, so that adds up to about 1600. Whatever. Second time I exchanged Line ids, and noticed she has a sponsor in Britain or so. Weird enough, as Christmas approached, I didn't see her any more outside the club. So no further repeat. And I like repeats.

Back to my primary GoGo that I get sucked in over and over again like flies to honey. Now my little cute "friend" always sits next to me, gobbling up them drinks. For them it's of course about the dough and a certain quota (tells me she must make 70 more until the deadline in a week to get 10,000 baht premium. I said I prefer giving her 10 k than buying 15 k worth of drinks. (Neither of which I will do just like that of course.) So anyway, we both got warm with each other, and although I know it's of course not serious, it is fun to have that emotional connection and being special for someone. Making plans to spend new years eve. I will try to bar fine her a few minutes before midnight so she gets out and we go to the beach for the fireworks. Couple of days later her term ends and she'll have some 5 days before returning to Issaan. She says we should go to Koh Lam, and I like that. I suck for this thing that feels a bit like a relationship.

I whined to her about my bad luck with getting to my magic eyes. In fact I got so frustrated with those magic eyes. They just won't look at me. Such ignorance! Jeez! Sadly it is very clear that that girl is very choosy. She will be cold or ignore completely those who don't appeal to her, while literally throwing herself on those who do. I'm jealous, heartbroken (of course that's silly, but those eyes are so special.) Now with my little friend in there I keep going back. Last night I barfined my little friend at 1,800 after midnight, only to see that my heart-throb had thrown herself on a dude who also barfined her. Ahhh. This is so hard.

But there is still my GoGo girl number 1 with the intriguing overbite mouth. At least sometimes I can catch her eyes and get a reaction. It's not easy with me special cute friend always hogging me when I am there (gobbling those drinks). Tonight first she gave me the same look-away avoidance as my heart throb, so I thought dang it! The same shit here! But yesterday I did catch her and told her "next time" as I was waiting for my bar-fined friend to get dressed. Tonight after ignoring me she and a bunch of other girls got hogged by a bunch of annoying Japanese (all dudes who go in one girls I like are of course very annoying.) Only after I left now leaving my cute "friend" behind, I walked by Number 1 on the stage and looked at her, smiled, making an expression to excuse again that it again didn't work. But I know one day I will at least talk to her to see if we get warm. Good thing is my little "friend" is not (yet) particularly jealous.

I had to go to bed earlier because I couldn't sleep well last night with her next to me. But she said I wouldn't have to bar fine any more, and she'd just come by my room after she's done in the bar (which is 3 am these days). Maybe I leave my door unlocked and she just walks in, while I sleep already. Haha, I actually like that. Let's see if she shows up. Oh, she never was cheap, 5000 LT, but it's standard for GoGo girls as far as I know. We haven't discussed how much her surprise visit would get her, but I don't care. This time, sorry. Maybe nothing, depending on how much she does for me.

Oh, and then I went to the other place to see perky nipples. One month after I first saw her dancing very shy. Now not so shy any more. Nice to find that she had always reciprocated my smile when I fixed her with my gaze. Now for first time I waved her for drink. When the drink arrived she was still on stage. Curious and cute detail, she wasn't sure if she could come down from the stage to sit next to me while her rotation was still going. She inquired another girl on this matter who told her it's fine. So she came. 20 years, with 4 yo child. Turns out she is only 1 month in the actual bar business, before she tried to work "decent" jobs at 7-11 and noodle shops. Her goal is to have her own noodle cart. Well, while she died her hair brown-ish and a little short for my preferences, I still find her and that connection cute, and want those perky nipples for me. So one day I will take her. Asked about that she appeared not familiar with the bar fine procedure, and I am not sure she'll go with me. But it looks like she could be convinced. I love how unexperienced she it. I suck for cuteness and innocence.

OK, then about the ThaiFriendly experience. Got 2 I really adored. The first one was the one who seemed not to like me but was still so cute while I was going at her and then she couldn't take it any more after a half hour. I discounted some of the agreed rate for this behavior. I kept messaging her from time to time going for a repeat if perhaps her way might change. But that didn't work. The other one was so cute, totally my type. Soft, a little belly, long black hair, very cute face. I would have "adopted" her in an instant. But she says she doesn't want to care about anyone, just ST boom boom bye bye, so I messaged her a few more times seeing if I could get her to soften up and become a bit warmer, but no.

Got a few more. The one who says "sexynotpretty" she is bubbly and a bit crazy. Workable. We didn't click too well. Another one. And then one day I had one who says she is "chubby" face looked young and cute still. When she arrived she was way more fat than I thought. It would have turned me off. Even her pussy not shaved. But strangely enough I didn't let that turn me off. So actually it ended up one of the better sessions for me. I do appreciate a little softness. But when at night she snored, then it hit me that I had not much desire left for her. Still, pleasant and politely we ended it at 6:30 am, so I could still catch up on some sleep. Another one came in the morning. Was ok. Most of those TF freelancers are around 1500ST, 3000 LT if at all they do LT. Give or take a few 100. One wanted 2500/5000, she seemed to have the appearance to be able to demand that. It was OK, but nothing to repeat.

OK, the TF girls are a problem as they are also very picky. So many who won't even read my messages, and I only write to those who are online. I think there is a huge over-supply of customers, so they can be very choosy, and ageism is everywhere here. Especially with the hotter ones. I reckon their message inboxes are so full that you are just flushed away instantly. Still I had connected with one who I really like and sadly she became almost absent as Christmas approached. I'll try her a few more times, I think she'll be special.

Finally I got a spark of attention from a 22 yo absolute bombshell girl. That one is a trophy. She is super hidden away. Got her WhatsApp number. But then, you know, no profile picture and message read receipt turned off. Many hours of the day not even online (message not received for hours). No reply when received. But sometimes there is a reply. Impossible to schedule, since I'm not going to stop my life waiting for being graced with an exceptional response message. But that one is the only one who can compete with magic eyes, so I have a double incentive to get her at least once, one to enjoy that face and secondly to forget magic eyes and her cold shoulder for me. Magic eyes wasn't even in the bar today, my mind rattles about how she got snapped up by that dude last night and they stuck together. Ahhhhrgh. Or maybe she just had a day off. I will still make her have one drink so I can at least talk with her. Once. Just to get that over with. Who knows, maybe she comes around when we talk.

So, that's about it. I know, not great for the time I have spent here. I have not gone back to Soi 6, but I still have that on my task list, to break that bad experience with some better experiences. Clearly beer bar girls are way cheaper than those GoGos. Oh and I walk by Vixen and Booby Trap twice a day or more, given Sir Lancelots report I paid attention. Not great, except Christmas eve there was one girls who could trump magic eyes. I just was already going home that night. So didn't walk up to her, only spun around (I guess that's why they call'them "spinner") but continued to my Hotel. Next two days, no sight of her. Ah well.

Now I will catch some sleep and see if my cute friend will actually come up to my hotel room when she's done working. Ah, one special touch of her loyalty to me was that she had bought gel, and even though I took it from the nightstand and put it next to her bag as she was leaving yesterday, she said we can leave it here, so it's there when she comes back. A nice touch that made me smile. An hour later she messaged me on line with some cute emojis, and being very nice to me. It could be that her interest got helped by how much she guessed from my financial situation (always calls me the "big bod" (meaning "big boss") now, especially when asking for a lady drink for her quota. But I don't care. I don't give a shit if she has her eyes on that, if that helps her to be nice to me, I like it that she's nice. And we had some genuine kissing moment even before she got that clue. So, it is what it is, I enjoy what comes to me enjoyable.

[Proprono]

Thanks for your detailed report on Pattaya. Can you kindly share thenumbers and the price.

Thanks. It appears your inbox is full.

[11Bravo]

One thing increasingly on my mind this trip has been the process for negotiation. I note Sir Lancelot's recurring theme of success in countering offers (eg. , the girl asks 1500 and readily agrees to 1000 counter offer, or asks 3000 and agrees to 2500) at 500 below quoted price.

I've had some of the same luck in this regard when the girl quotes the price and I make the counter offer. But I've also noticed more and more that some girls are asking "how much you want to pay" and then automatically raising 300-500 from my quotation. This has been to my disadvantage (admittedly getting back into the swing of things and also adversely affected by LB calling the shots in my mind-heart-genitalia connection). So I'm trying to get faster on the draw and be the first to ask for price quote so that I can counter offer lower.

I'll tip my hat to some of you champion negotiators, as this is not my best skill (I'm sure many of our bros feel just as amateurish) (and I'm a cheapskate to begin with, ruining many a nights).

Do any of you guys have any thoughts on whether it matters who asks first? Who quotes first? Who makes the counter offer? Or am I overthinking this?

Appreciate your thoughts mates.Once upon a time, I was working in a country where the supermarkets had posted prices, but just about everywhere else, it was bargaining. New to me, and I was very frustrated because I didn't know what a good price was, specifically for a souvenir carved wooden chest that I wanted. A Brit friend gave me some advice I've never forgotten: what is IT worth to YOU? If you can get it for that price or less, then it's a good deal. If not, then it's not a good deal for you. That wooden chest has sat in my living room for almost 50 years now, and the price was worth it to me.

Whether you are the first to speak or she, does it really matter? If she speaks first, she KNOWS you are going to counter so will give you a higher price. If you speak first, she will give a hoped for price hoping you will accept. It's a negotiation, she doesn't have to accept your price, you don't have to accept hers. Use the GM hiring philosophy: if 80+% of your offers are immediately accepted, your salary offers are too high. If only 30-% are accepted, it's too low. Once you know the going price, that's what you offer. When she makes the counter offer, just say "no thank you". Then up to her.

Once you are known, you don't have to bargain. Once in DXB, talking to a FL in a bar, I asked her how much she wanted. I've never forgotten her response: "Why are you asking me? Everyone knows you're Mr. 500."

And what are you talking about? 500 baht? That's about $15 USD. In DXB, I used to negotiate in 50 AED increments (about $15 USD). Then I realized what I was doing: was I really wasting time and effort over $15? Granted, that was about 10% of the usually accepted rate. But put it in perspective. And I never paid any attention to the blah-blah-blah about ruining it for all by overpaying, as if ONE player could. When you get her back to the room, are you going to be worrying about how much you paid, or do you want to just enjoy. And some won't be worth it, but NOW you KNOW. But some will be WELL worth it, and that you REMEMBER. I certainly overpay my fav, but so what? Her experience IS worth it to me.

Like I said, it was ALWAYS what was her experience worth to me. For some, it was one price, for others, higher. For a few, a lot more. And sometimes, I went home alone because none were worth it. Think about when you return home. What will you remember? How much money you paid, or all the experiences you had, good and bad? For ME, my memories are priceless and it's NOT about the cost.

Bottom line, what is HER experience worth to YOU that night? And how much will you regret missing the opportunity if you never have another chance? That's the price you offer. If accepted, fine. If not, think about the regret factor. If none, look elsewhere. Otherwise, raise the price. Eventually, you'll reach a go/no go point.


Never ask. Always tell. But don't quote low and try to negotiate. Just tell your final offer in first message / talk. Girls like to move fast too and like who don't waste their time.

There is no point in saving few hundred baht when you are here for experience and your 2 biggest expenses are flight and hotel. Most of the people here come for 3-10 days.

I normally pay 1500 baht flat, no tips. I ignore other counteroffers as I don't want to waste my time negotiating.A briefer, better answer than mine that I didn't see before posting. Salute.

[Tom Thumbbs]

Been here now for 45 days plus most of my 30 day visa extension. I cannot get this nagging feeling of age discrimination away. I am a little over 50 but frequently guessed at 40. Still, it is too much negative experiences. I have tried to forget that and move on, but it keeps haunting me. But that doesn't mean there is no fun. I go to the same two GoGo places (need to try the list of bests that was recently published, never went into one on Walking Street as I am so convenient around the corner of LK Metro, I just stay here.

First GoGo place I zeroed in on a girl with nice round curves and boobs dancing topless. As usual, I zero in on face though, she has a remarkable overbite like mouth but with plump lips, it is intriguing. That was the first GoGo bar girl ever that I had set my eyes on. As I left from that place after just looking for a half hour or so, there is one on the stage who has eyes I could die for. Oh my God, those eyes. I was going out already so I didn't stop but went back over and over again to get to those eyes. But she always escaped me.

Meanwhile in that GoGo bar, walks up a real cutie with the long black hair and a smile with braces that melts my heart. I smiled as she walked by. She smiled. Then came and sat down next to me. This was the one time probably where the girl coming up to me unsolicited was about 100% my type. (Just not the magic eyes, so it took a bit to fully appreciate her.) I wrote about her as the one who excessively washes her pussy because it does have a bit of a smell. But she is so cute. What happened is after we were together I thought I wouldn't see her again, because it wasn't that great and then the issue. But, fast forward about 2 weeks, as I went back to find my magic eyes and finally connect with her, I see a bubbly girl dancing next to her, and I try to not make eye contact with her because I really wanted the attention of the magic eyes. But that bubbly girl inserted herself and sat next to me. And it took me a moment to remember it was her. At least I remembered her name, and she didn't remember mine. BUT I found it a really nice touch that she came up to me again and did remember me.

Meanwhile I also checked out those Gentlemen's Club alias Blowjob Bars, including Excite Club and once in King's Club. King's was not my thing, the ladies too old and curvy I guess. But in Excite I had one who sat outside and was my type (it seems like I have a magnet for the fake shorter hair blondes and the black long haired ones who I really want tend to ignore me. Curious, if that means that the black long haired are more attractive (and therefore more aloof) then why the fook do the others cut and die their hair? I will never get it. Anyway, so there is the one who is more my type, and upon eye contact it was confirmed that she was open for me. Carpe diem and I walked up and we went in. She gets an A+ rating for (a) noticing what I like and keep doing it (kissing in a special way that's not actually so intrusive that it can't just be done, I really loved that touch, and (b) she was making sure I left satisfied, and it wasn't easy as I took some time. So that was nice. And I walk past there frequently and when I saw her again I at least chatted briefly, and on the next weekend went with her again. 1000 for girl (like I said, patient, way over an hour) 300 for room (no annoying knock, but also not full of customers that day). I do the drink, so that adds up to about 1600. Whatever. Second time I exchanged Line ids, and noticed she has a sponsor in Britain or so. Weird enough, as Christmas approached, I didn't see her any more outside the club. So no further repeat. And I like repeats.

Back to my primary GoGo that I get sucked in over and over again like flies to honey. Now my little cute "friend" always sits next to me, gobbling up them drinks. For them it's of course about the dough and a certain quota (tells me she must make 70 more until the deadline in a week to get 10,000 baht premium. I said I prefer giving her 10 k than buying 15 k worth of drinks. (Neither of which I will do just like that of course.) So anyway, we both got warm with each other, and although I know it's of course not serious, it is fun to have that emotional connection and being special for someone. Making plans to spend new years eve. I will try to bar fine her a few minutes before midnight so she gets out and we go to the beach for the fireworks. Couple of days later her term ends and she'll have some 5 days before returning to Issaan. She says we should go to Koh Lam, and I like that. I suck for this thing that feels a bit like a relationship.

I whined to her about my bad luck with getting to my magic eyes. In fact I got so frustrated with those magic eyes. They just won't look at me. Such ignorance! Jeez! Sadly it is very clear that that girl is very choosy. She will be cold or ignore completely those who don't appeal to her, while literally throwing herself on those who do. I'm jealous, heartbroken (of course that's silly, but those eyes are so special.) Now with my little friend in there I keep going back. Last night I barfined my little friend at 1,800 after midnight, only to see that my heart-throb had thrown herself on a dude who also barfined her. Ahhh. This is so hard.

But there is still my GoGo girl number 1 with the intriguing overbite mouth. At least sometimes I can catch her eyes and get a reaction. It's not easy with me special cute friend always hogging me when I am there (gobbling those drinks). Tonight first she gave me the same look-away avoidance as my heart throb, so I thought dang it! The same shit here! But yesterday I did catch her and told her "next time" as I was waiting for my bar-fined friend to get dressed. Tonight after ignoring me she and a bunch of other girls got hogged by a bunch of annoying Japanese (all dudes who go in one girls I like are of course very annoying.) Only after I left now leaving my cute "friend" behind, I walked by Number 1 on the stage and looked at her, smiled, making an expression to excuse again that it again didn't work. But I know one day I will at least talk to her to see if we get warm. Good thing is my little "friend" is not (yet) particularly jealous.

I had to go to bed earlier because I couldn't sleep well last night with her next to me. But she said I wouldn't have to bar fine any more, and she'd just come by my room after she's done in the bar (which is 3 am these days). Maybe I leave my door unlocked and she just walks in, while I sleep already. Haha, I actually like that. Let's see if she shows up. Oh, she never was cheap, 5000 LT, but it's standard for GoGo girls as far as I know. We haven't discussed how much her surprise visit would get her, but I don't care. This time, sorry. Maybe nothing, depending on how much she does for me.

Oh, and then I went to the other place to see perky nipples. One month after I first saw her dancing very shy. Now not so shy any more. Nice to find that she had always reciprocated my smile when I fixed her with my gaze. Now for first time I waved her for drink. When the drink arrived she was still on stage. Curious and cute detail, she wasn't sure if she could come down from the stage to sit next to me while her rotation was still going. She inquired another girl on this matter who told her it's fine. So she came. 20 years, with 4 yo child. Turns out she is only 1 month in the actual bar business, before she tried to work "decent" jobs at 7-11 and noodle shops. Her goal is to have her own noodle cart. Well, while she died her hair brown-ish and a little short for my preferences, I still find her and that connection cute, and want those perky nipples for me. So one day I will take her. Asked about that she appeared not familiar with the bar fine procedure, and I am not sure she'll go with me. But it looks like she could be convinced. I love how unexperienced she it. I suck for cuteness and innocence.

OK, then about the ThaiFriendly experience. Got 2 I really adored. The first one was the one who seemed not to like me but was still so cute while I was going at her and then she couldn't take it any more after a half hour. I discounted some of the agreed rate for this behavior. I kept messaging her from time to time going for a repeat if perhaps her way might change. But that didn't work. The other one was so cute, totally my type. Soft, a little belly, long black hair, very cute face. I would have "adopted" her in an instant. But she says she doesn't want to care about anyone, just ST boom boom bye bye, so I messaged her a few more times seeing if I could get her to soften up and become a bit warmer, but no.

Got a few more. The one who says "sexynotpretty" she is bubbly and a bit crazy. Workable. We didn't click too well. Another one. And then one day I had one who says she is "chubby" face looked young and cute still. When she arrived she was way more fat than I thought. It would have turned me off. Even her pussy not shaved. But strangely enough I didn't let that turn me off. So actually it ended up one of the better sessions for me. I do appreciate a little softness. But when at night she snored, then it hit me that I had not much desire left for her. Still, pleasant and politely we ended it at 6:30 am, so I could still catch up on some sleep. Another one came in the morning. Was ok. Most of those TF freelancers are around 1500ST, 3000 LT if at all they do LT. Give or take a few 100. One wanted 2500/5000, she seemed to have the appearance to be able to demand that. It was OK, but nothing to repeat.

OK, the TF girls are a problem as they are also very picky. So many who won't even read my messages, and I only write to those who are online. I think there is a huge over-supply of customers, so they can be very choosy, and ageism is everywhere here. Especially with the hotter ones. I reckon their message inboxes are so full that you are just flushed away instantly. Still I had connected with one who I really like and sadly she became almost absent as Christmas approached. I'll try her a few more times, I think she'll be special.

Finally I got a spark of attention from a 22 yo absolute bombshell girl. That one is a trophy. She is super hidden away. Got her WhatsApp number. But then, you know, no profile picture and message read receipt turned off. Many hours of the day not even online (message not received for hours). No reply when received. But sometimes there is a reply. Impossible to schedule, since I'm not going to stop my life waiting for being graced with an exceptional response message. But that one is the only one who can compete with magic eyes, so I have a double incentive to get her at least once, one to enjoy that face and secondly to forget magic eyes and her cold shoulder for me. Magic eyes wasn't even in the bar today, my mind rattles about how she got snapped up by that dude last night and they stuck together. Ahhhhrgh. Or maybe she just had a day off. I will still make her have one drink so I can at least talk with her. Once. Just to get that over with. Who knows, maybe she comes around when we talk.

So, that's about it. I know, not great for the time I have spent here. I have not gone back to Soi 6, but I still have that on my task list, to break that bad experience with some better experiences. Clearly beer bar girls are way cheaper than those GoGos. Oh and I walk by Vixen and Booby Trap twice a day or more, given Sir Lancelots report I paid attention. Not great, except Christmas eve there was one girls who could trump magic eyes. I just was already going home that night. So didn't walk up to her, only spun around (I guess that's why they call'them "spinner") but continued to my Hotel. Next two days, no sight of her. Ah well.

Now I will catch some sleep and see if my cute friend will actually come up to my hotel room when she's done working. Ah, one special touch of her loyalty to me was that she had bought gel, and even though I took it from the nightstand and put it next to her bag as she was leaving yesterday, she said we can leave it here, so it's there when she comes back. A nice touch that made me smile. An hour later she messaged me on line with some cute emojis, and being very nice to me. It could be that her interest got helped by how much she guessed from my financial situation (always calls me the "big bod" (meaning "big boss") now, especially when asking for a lady drink for her quota. But I don't care. I don't give a shit if she has her eyes on that, if that helps her to be nice to me, I like it that she's nice. And we had some genuine kissing moment even before she got that clue. So, it is what it is, I enjoy what comes to me enjoyable.I'm surmising it's your heritage of Origin.

I see old guys regularly Barfine.

Sir Lancelot is no Spring Chicken.

[Tom Thumbbs]

One thing increasingly on my mind this trip has been the process for negotiation. I note Sir Lancelot's recurring theme of success in countering offers (eg. , the girl asks 1500 and readily agrees to 1000 counter offer, or asks 3000 and agrees to 2500) at 500 below quoted price.

I've had some of the same luck in this regard when the girl quotes the price and I make the counter offer. But I've also noticed more and more that some girls are asking "how much you want to pay" and then automatically raising 300-500 from my quotation. This has been to my disadvantage (admittedly getting back into the swing of things and also adversely affected by LB calling the shots in my mind-heart-genitalia connection). So I'm trying to get faster on the draw and be the first to ask for price quote so that I can counter offer lower.

I'll tip my hat to some of you champion negotiators, as this is not my best skill (I'm sure many of our bros feel just as amateurish) (and I'm a cheapskate to begin with, ruining many a nights).

Do any of you guys have any thoughts on whether it matters who asks first? Who quotes first? Who makes the counter offer? Or am I overthinking this?

Appreciate your thoughts mates.Sir L as example.

This is what's happening.

Sir L knows Soi 6 girls are valued at 1,000.

The girl knows she valued at 1,000.

It s not really a negotiation going on there. Psedo negotiation. No harm no foul kind of thing.

Key is to know price beforehand.

[11Bravo]

My UpdateSo you are allowed to have your preferences, but she (general she) is not? For me, 2 sides of the same coin. Those that are not interested in me, I readily move on to those that are and don't worry about those that aren't. Life is too short.

[Tom Thumbbs]

Soi 6 drink quotas is insane.

Not getting info from a 1,000 Soi 6 barfine so my intelligence could be Flawed. LOL.

Livestream chat a guy says quota to meet salary,. Drink portion is 200 Drinkie s. Another guy chimes in and say may girls actually lose money working. Sounds kind of legit if you walk past Soi 6 all day long. Yes some places are doing brisk business, but they seem to be the Outlier.

Just on drinks by the numbers. 200 drinks at $6. 00 is $1,200 gross.

Bar definitely win. Girl, I'm not so sure.

Quite an accomplishment!.

[Tom Thumbbs]

Thanks for your detailed report on Pattaya. Can you kindly share thenumbers and the price.

Thanks. It appears your inbox is full.Which one of the girls interest you?

Overbite, Smelly Girl, Plumpy, No eye contact, the one that couldn't take more than 30 minutes,etc.

No offense but not even a photo with Blurred faces.

You do know Pattaya has 10,000 Bargirls any given night, I really do t know the number.

Most establishment s have more girls than customers, I'm including beer bars on Soi 7:8. Inside joke.

[11Bravo]

So you are allowed to have your preferences, but she (general she) is not? For me, 2 sides of the same coin. Those that are not interested in me, I readily move on to those that are and don't worry about those that aren't. Life is too short.Not to sound too harsh. Been there, done that. There was a FL that I was infatuated with. Had seen her many times, but often too late to connect. But was able to make an offer and she accepted. Back to my place, NOT the spectacular experience I had imagined. OK, so let's try a 2nd shot. Oops. In my mesmerization, I had neglected to specify menu. She said if I wanted a 2nd shot, that would cost more. I told her I never paid for a 2nd shot, she said she always was. Stalemate. Fine, reality HAD set in. Paid for her taxi in the morning; NOW I KNEW HER experience with ME.

Week or 2 later, friend asked if I happened to know a girl, describing her by her usual outfit. Yes, it was she, and told him I did and that we hadn't clicked. Did I have her number? Yes. Could he have it? Of course. They hit it off great. She became his Me Noi, exclusive. Great for them, never bothered me. As the ole cliche is true: many fish in the sea. I remember her for the very title: Disappointment: the difference between my fantasy and reality. Should have been clear from the start that her non-interest was a CLEAR indication of NO fireworks, simply business. Lesson relearned once again. But so many others that I remember for all the RIGHT reasons. YMMV.

[Mr Enternational]

1000 baht for LT overnight (2 sessions, one shot before sleep and one shot in the morning)? I haven't heard anything so low recently. I was talking about LT not ST. I would have gone for 2500 but not 3000, which is why I didn't follow through.I was talking about LT too. In all these years I have given 2 chicks 1500 for LT. For 14 years my usual has been 1000 for LT and more frequently now I will give 1200. Never even considered giving anyone 2500 or 3000. Even when I used to hang out in Bangkok I did not do that.

[Mr Enternational]

I've had some of the same luck in this regard when the girl quotes the price and I make the counter offer. But I've also noticed more and more that some girls are asking "how much you want to pay" and then automatically raising 300-500 from my quotation. This has been to my disadvantage.

Do any of you guys have any thoughts on whether it matters who asks first? Who quotes first? Who makes the counter offer? Or am I overthinking this?To me it does not matter who talks first. I am not one to just blab a price out when they may have come with a lower price though. So I usually ask how much first in order to see where her head is. If a chick asks me how much then 1000 is my answer. If she says a number that I do not like I am liable to say anything. Can not. Why so expensive. I am not rich. Better 1000. My mama say I can only pay 1000. Anything that comes to mind.

Crazy story I was at the disco last month with 2 other board members and another buddy. It was my dad's birthday. We shut the club down. Lights came on at 6:20 am. I was taking my girl home with me. She asked how much I would give her and I said 1200 until night time. So my dad left with her friend.

I went to the apartment that the girl shares with her friend to get her some more clothes. With her staying LT she could not wear that club shit when we went wherever the next afternoon.

So the girl gets a call from her friend. My dad was only going to give her 1200 too. But the girl would not budge off of 1500. My girl had a solution. She would give her friend 300 of the 1200 that I gave her so it would total 1500.

We left her apartment and another friend had just gotten into town so we all met up for breakfast before going in. Come to find out the girl's roommate used to work reception at a hospital with another chick I talk to. I said do you know such and such. She said yeah she works at night and I worked in the day.

We went in and the girl stayed with my dad all day. She even helped him change hotels that afternoon. I called him about 4 pm and he said he had let the girl go because he did not know what I had planned. I was still with her friend so I just took her home and told her I would see her later.

[Stinky Squid]

I'm in Pattaya now. Even though it's packed with Christmas visitors, the supply of well trained massage girls is still more than plentiful to keep in-shop massage prices down. I paid 200 for 1-hour Thai massage (plus 100 tip) 2 days ago at Risa massage on Soi 8 with very fit and busty 30+ year old who used to do 5-star hotel spas in Phuket. Like others, she is clearly "moonlighting" for add on services, where she can make her real money. The veggie massage part was amazing, she is a real professional. Of course, she did some mild teasing the 2nd half when I got on my back, and when it got to the final 10 minutes, she really went to work on little bro to see if I wanted extra services in the shop. But she was really trying to set up further communication for outcall. She gladly gave me her Line and quoted 3000 for overnight FS (2 shots, no massage) (she said massage outcall would be 'much more expensive' I didn't have her come (yet), because I'd rather go back to her for the cheap amazing veggie massage every couple days.

There were 2-3 younger hotter girls there but they seemed to specialize in foot massage where it's not done in private. The real hottie was the shop manager. Late 20's amazonian, but I don't know how available she'd be for FS. She said her girls specialize (some in private upstairs and others in public downstairs). The places are packed with underworked massage girls on every street. They all seem to have 1-2 younger hotties, 2-3 fit 30's types, and then a bunch of chubbier 30's-40's.

My suggestion would be to go in shop for the first visit and pick your best available one for Thai massage. Then when her hands wander to your LB, tell her not now but ask if she does outcall message + FS or FS only. Then no need to waste money on more expensive outcall massage and can go straight to evil deed ST / LT as you negotiate.

There are so many good massages here that you don't need to pay more than 200-300 for the massage part itself. You will inevitably get the offer for other services, because that's where their real income comes from.I find this massage stuff a mystery. Just now I walked up to some massage girls who looked cute, and I asked. Yesterday did the same thing. All around Soi Bukhao. They are all direct to HJ BJ, and what I really want is just a massage with the option to escalate. So I will not go into these many places where they have rows of armchairs and work your feet and legs. What's the point of that? At least I want privacy. I also want the massage girl to really work my body, whatever sitting and standing on me or whatever it is. But no, even on those that have these price lists for 200 and 300 etc. They don't even care, it's just HJ BJ. How does one find the place where it's a middle ground?

The one recommendation of Risa Massage at Soi 6 is noted. But how do you spot these that actually do real massage?

I had one Nuru massage in BKK and that was really well done. Not just quick excuse of a massage. But then that's Nuru and so the program is clear.

[Stinky Squid]

So you are allowed to have your preferences, but she (general she) is not? For me, 2 sides of the same coin. Those that are not interested in me, I readily move on to those that are and don't worry about those that aren't. Life is too short.Where did I say that "allowed" stuff? Why do you have to twist it like that? White knighting much?

We all know that one cannot force someone else to like us, and when they don't it's utterly pointless to keep obsessing about it. But we also know that when the bug bites us it's really hard to let go, so we end up whining and obsessing anyway. What's the big deal?

Obviously ultimately we move on. But man, I want my magic eyes and to like me. Not going to happen. Sigh.

[Stinky Squid]

Speaking about obsessing. So my GoGo girl with the magic eyes didn't have a number tag any more the last time (and the time before? Yesterday, even GoGo Girl Number 1 didn't have the tag. But my cute friend does, even though she left the gel in my room on purpose for when she comes back.

I wonder, are they just forgetting to put it on or does it mean something?

Like: no tag number = not wanting to be "ordered" by random guy for drink.

Or does it mean nothing much?

BTW, at 3:30 am my cute friend messaged me that she was too tired to still come to me, and went straight to her room. I understand. Frankly, 3 am is way to late for me to start up again when I'm sleeping already. I'll go back to the bar tonight and even if my cute "friend" keeps hogging me I will hail Number 1 and if destiny permits, even magic eyes over to have a conversation. Especially in the latter case, perhaps my cute "friend's" presence can relax the situation. On Christmas eve I was thinking I could just go back with both of them, or all three, haha. After all, didn't get any other Christmas presents so do a completely overpriced triple take-out with crazy bar fine of 3,600 baht each before midnight, I was going to do it if the stars had aligned. Imagine the bill: 17,200 baht for two, 25,800 for three. That's seriously "big bod" level, almost like the annoying Japanese possibly ended up doing. GoGo bars are very expensive if you think about it. Crazy. You go in for a 69 baht draught beer and come out with a bill of 500 minimum, or, if the stars align 25 thousand. Crazy!

[Mr Enternational]

So my GoGo girl with the magic eyes didn't have a number tag any more the last time (and the time before? Yesterday, even GoGo Girl Number 1 didn't have the tag. But my cute friend does,
I wonder, are they just forgetting to put it on or does it mean something?
You have boots on the ground. Why did you not ask while you were there then come make a report saying hey guys I have a new piece of information.

[Mogwai]

This should be 1000 baht. I have never had to, but if you must, then absolutely no more than 1500.


1000 baht for LT overnight (2 sessions, one shot before sleep and one shot in the morning)? I haven't heard anything so low recently. I was talking about LT not ST. I would have gone for 2500 but not 3000, which is why I didn't follow through.Mr. E. is a resident with his own apartment, at least for much of the year. For residents it's easier to negotiate a low price than it is for the average tourist who is in town for just a couple of weeks, because the girls hope to get repeat business.
That's why the first two questions that you get from the girls are often 'where you stay?', and 'how long you stay?'.

[Tom Thumbbs]

I find this massage stuff a mystery. Just now I walked up to some massage girls who looked cute, and I asked. Yesterday did the same thing. All around Soi Bukhao. They are all direct to HJ BJ, and what I really want is just a massage with the option to escalate. So I will not go into these many places where they have rows of armchairs and work your feet and legs. What's the point of that? At least I want privacy. I also want the massage girl to really work my body, whatever sitting and standing on me or whatever it is. But no, even on those that have these price lists for 200 and 300 etc. They don't even care, it's just HJ BJ. How does one find the place where it's a middle ground?

The one recommendation of Risa Massage at Soi 6 is noted. But how do you spot these that actually do real massage?

I had one Nuru massage in BKK and that was really well done. Not just quick excuse of a massage. But then that's Nuru and so the program is clear.Pre COVID Huay Kwang Bangkok VIP Massage was just what you wanted. Hot girls who actually gave a decent massage. Of course if you left without Special I'm sure they didn't want nothing to do with you anymore. No Biggie.

However if you clicked with one, OMG, in a good way.

Majority of my money was spent there.

Present day Thailand I've come to conclusion there just isn't any place like that anymore.

[Tom Thumbbs]

Speaking about obsessing. So my GoGo girl with the magic eyes didn't have a number tag any more the last time (and the time before? Yesterday, even GoGo Girl Number 1 didn't have the tag. But my cute friend does, even though she left the gel in my room on purpose for when she comes back.

I wonder, are they just forgetting to put it on or does it mean something?

Like: no tag number = not wanting to be "ordered" by random guy for drink.

Or does it mean nothing much?

BTW, at 3:30 am my cute friend messaged me that she was too tired to still come to me, and went straight to her room. I understand. Frankly, 3 am is way to late for me to start up again when I'm sleeping already. I'll go back to the bar tonight and even if my cute "friend" keeps hogging me I will hail Number 1 and if destiny permits, even magic eyes over to have a conversation. Especially in the latter case, perhaps my cute "friend's" presence can relax the situation. On Christmas eve I was thinking I could just go back with both of them, or all three, haha. After all, didn't get any other Christmas presents so do a completely overpriced triple take-out with crazy bar fine of 3,600 baht each before midnight, I was going to do it if the stars had aligned. Imagine the bill: 17,200 baht for two, 25,800 for three. That's seriously "big bod" level, almost like the annoying Japanese possibly ended up doing. GoGo bars are very expensive if you think about it. Crazy. You go in for a 69 baht draught beer and come out with a bill of 500 minimum, or, if the stars align 25 thousand. Crazy!500 bill. 70 for your drink. 430 left. Not even 3 drinks. Not outrageous.

You are doing fine.

Posts where you read majority of girlsend up in Good experience s are dubious in Nature, meaning a lot of self Narcissist Aggrandization must be going on.

Girls are just not interested in us like we are in them. Duh.

[11Bravo]

Where did I say that "allowed" stuff? Why do you have to twist it like that? White knighting much?

We all know that one cannot force someone else to like us, and when they don't it's utterly pointless to keep obsessing about it. But we also know that when the bug bites us it's really hard to let go, so we end up whining and obsessing anyway. What's the big deal?

Obviously ultimately we move on. But man, I want my magic eyes and to like me. Not going to happen. Sigh.Yea, I was white knighting, trying to give you a slap to snap you out of your obsession, and stop the bleating. Reality, it's business. Yes, you can have fun, a lot of fun, but ALWAYS remember, it's business. Is this the way you want to spend your holidays, melancholic?


I'll go back to the bar tonight and even if my cute "friend" keeps hogging me I will hail Number 1 and if destiny permits, even magic eyes over to have a conversation. Especially in the latter case, perhaps my cute "friend's" presence can relax the situation. If you want an answer, it's simple. Get to the bar early. Forget the eye contact (though that is the best way to start the attitude check, if she's smiling, but you know that). Point Ms Eyes out to the Mamasan, tell Mamasan you'd like to see Ms Eyes. If she doesn't come over, now you know. If she does, buy her a lady drink and check her attitude. I'd suggest wearing a winter parka because methinks the temperature will drop 40 degrees, but that's just me. You never know, TIT. Make her an offer. The worst she can say is no. If she says no, now you know. If she says yes, go. I think at best (previous experience), it'll be a business starfish, but then you'll know. Repeat the above for as many gotta have hers as necessary. Just be aware that Ms Cutie will not be pleased, though she will accept reality as she understands it's business.

And I don't think your cute "friend" will relax the situation, but rather complicate it. Everyone in the bar knows you've been taking her, so will be reluctant to cut in (my experience anyway in BKK). For New Year's Eve, I'd bar fine her early, then cut out to enjoy. Why wait until just before midnight? Your hotel's roof have a place to watch the fireworks?

[MapoMac]

I guess it sounds strange, but do you guys know if nearby Pattaya there are any real swimming pool?

For proper swimming I mean.

Thanks.

[Volterra]

I was talking about LT too. In all these years I have given 2 chicks 1500 for LT. For 14 years my usual has been 1000 for LT and more frequently now I will give 1200. Never even considered giving anyone 2500 or 3000. Even when I used to hang out in Bangkok I did not do that.Mate you got to be some sorta superstar, as far as I'm concerned. Fine, I accept my newfound napolean complex in front of guys like you, but seriously, I haven't the slightest idea how anyone newer to Pattaya or Bangkok could possibly pull off 1000 (much less 1500) for LT. There's got to be a catch. You're super charming? Years of experience networking or slipping in through the conversational cracks? Unusually well endowed or famous for driving girls to multi orgasms? Phenomenal Thai language ability?

I mean seriously, you must realize that you live in a different universe than most of us (I say that out of admiration and envy). I suppose a lot of guys on this channel don't want to show their inferiority complex in the face of guys like you, but I'm not afraid to in the least. I'm happy to read all of the thoughts about my negotiation question, but it doesn't escape me that many newer comers to this game will simply never get anywhere if they follow your advice, unless they have months and months on the ground to build up rapport, buy loads of unrewarded drinks, and whack themselves off night after night when they can't get a price like yours. I'm fighting for 1000 just for ST, and that's just a quick quick quickie.

So if you can dig into your soul and share what must be some of your secrets, I'm all ears and will be the first to get on my knees (not in front of your knob, don't worry.) and bow to the master.

(Hey, I'm just jesting, but really can't believe that most guys can pull off 1000 LT in 2023.) But thanks to you and for all the responses, was good reading, and I'll try to build my technique in coming years.

[Volterra]

Mr. E. is a resident with his own apartment, at least for much of the year. For residents it's easier to negotiate a low price than it is for the average tourist who is in town for just a couple of weeks, because the girls hope to get repeat business.
That's why the first two questions that you get from the girls are often 'where you stay?', and 'how long you.Yeah, I'm with you. (See my other reply just before this.) The thing is, I'm not a newcomer. I've done my research, lots of experimenting and improving, and walked away many times because exorbitant prices and excessive gogo bar / massage politics are simply not worth it to ME. Can't wait to retire, move here and get my own place so I can start bargaining for 700 LT.

[XXL]

.. I also want the massage girl to really work my body, whatever sitting and standing on me or whatever it is. But no, even on those that have these price lists for 200 and 300 etc. They don't even care, it's just HJ BJ. How does one find the place where it's a middle ground?...Indeed. I surmise that's because they assume a HJ or a BJ will be quickly over. Besides, I never had a good happy end (HJ) massage in TH. The tugging felt always worse than what I could achieve with my own hand. I was 3 times at Bangkok's Tulip over the past 4 years, for want of something better to do. Three times I left without finishing.

[MadDin19]

One thing increasingly on my mind this trip has been the process for negotiation. I note Sir Lancelot's recurring theme of success in countering offers (eg. , the girl asks 1500 and readily agrees to 1000 counter offer, or asks 3000 and agrees to 2500) at 500 below quoted price.

I've had some of the same luck in this regard when the girl quotes the price and I make the counter offer. But I've also noticed more and more that some girls are asking "how much you want to pay" and then automatically raising 300-500 from my quotation.
Do any of you guys have any thoughts on whether it matters who asks first? Who quotes first? Who makes the counter offer? Or am I overthinking this?

Appreciate your thoughts mates.I've never negotiated with a lady. And I never will do.

Yesterday I was in Soi 6. Repent Bar. I bought a lady 3 drinks. I wanted to go upstairs with her. She said 400 for the room and 2,000 for her. I said no and wanted to leave. Then she said 1,500. I told her that I know the usual prices in Soi 6 and don't negotiate. I then left.

I then fucked a lady in another bar for the usual 1 K+ room. And she was even prettier. Gave her another 200 tip.

If everyone did it like me, life would be easier.

My mistake was not knowing that the Repent Bar is part of the nightwish group. I hate this nightwish bullshit. You can have everything there, but no boom boom.

I never have asked a lady for the price. Not in Thailand, not in Africa, not in the Caribbean or anywhere else. When I'm on tour, I know the usual prices beforehand. If a lady tells me a price anyway, then I say yes or no. But I not negotiate.

[ElMexicant]

E Extension Process.

1. You upload your documents to their servers.

2. You pay the fee of 1900 plus 500-5000 for service fee.

3. Go to Immigration office in person and queue up to get your stamp.

*But what they don't tell you is that some offices require Address Notification slip and TM30 filed like Jomtien. So before you get your stamp. You will queue back into the Address Notification Window 10.

Visa fees for E Service.

The fee payment is the last step of your application process after submitting your details and the other mandatory documents. The fees paid for E-Extension visa would be (non refundable online processing fee, inclusive of all charges) as follows:

Visa fee: 1,900 THB.

Service fee as following:

Regular Service fee: 500 THB.

Express Service fee: 1,500 THB.

Super Urgent sService fee to be 5,000 THB *You can also apply for a super urgent service, to get your E-Extension decision within next day (only business day).

(The normal way of doing it (30 days added to my 45 days) that I did today, was go to Immigration early. Queued up to get Address Notification Window 10 first. Once that was complete, got another queue ticket for Window 1 to submit my paperwork and pay 1900. Then let them upload the paperwork and got my stamp. All of which took less than 30 minutes for 1900 baht. I swear they find so many ways to scam in this country).

[Volterra]

This is going to be my first trip to Pattaya in 2 weeks and one of my goals was to try and find an attractive Russian girl to spend some time with (along w others). But, none of the street videos I see show ANY Russian bargirls, they used to be on Walking Street outside a Russian club. Is the club gone? Are there any places that have Russian bargirls or freelancers?Gonova, I was planning to survey Russian spots on Walking St after walking past a few last week. There are at least a couple clubs specializing in Russians. I went to Galaxy last night, which is almost exclusively Russian. Unfortunately, as I entered, the young Russian guy told me there was a private party so I couldn't go in last night. I asked him about prices. His reply:

Customer beers. Around 300 baht.

Lady drinks. Around 600 baht.

Bar fine. No BF (I quote him).

Girl prices. Unfortunately, he wouldn't say, except that it is up to the girl.

Some others may have better knowledge of this, but based on drink prices (around 3 x the cost of other bars) and no BF, you may have an idea of the prices.

I couldn't see the quality of girls there, but he directed me to Stars club just across the street, which is exclusively Euro girls. I went up, but it's NMCOT, being the Euro style gents club with sofas and individual dancers spread out around the club. So I didn't stay. The girls looked so so there, and I saw one less than hot brunette girl leaving with a customer.

It's not much info, but at least a peak into the few clubs on Walking Street. Cheers.

[Mr Enternational]

Mr. E. is a resident with his own apartment, at least for much of the year. For residents it's easier to negotiate a low price than it is for the average tourist who is in town for just a couple of weeks, because the girls hope to get repeat business.
That's why the first two questions that you get from the girls are often 'where you stay?', and 'how long you.That has nothing to do with nothing. Everywhere I go I operate the same. I have friends that live in Pattaya that pay more than me. I have friends that do not live in Pattaya that pay the same as me when they visit. And I have friends that do not live in Pattaya that I found out were paying Beach Road chicks less than me. Just like I posted about the friend that paid the African chick 700 baht when she asks 1500 and 2000 from other guys. He does not live in Pattaya. You pay what you negotiate. It does not matter where you live.

It is a matter of doing better when you know better. My first trip to Thailand me and my friend were in the airport and went to that taxi desk. We paid 600 baht to go to Nana. A couple of trips later when I was headed back to the airport and the taxi guy ran the meter is when I found out I was being ripped off. It came to 230 baht. Since then I have gone upstairs and outside to where they drop people off in order to negotiate a "real" price. That has nothing to do with living anywhere because it happens like that in most countries.

[Mr Enternational]

Besides, I never had a good happy end (HJ) massage in TH. The tugging felt always worse than what I could achieve with my own hand. I was 3 times at Bangkok's Tulip over the past 4 years, for want of something better to do. Three times I left without finishing.You never met the famous Rin in Bangkok. She would have you trying to marry her. She is probably somewhere retired by now.


rin has many fans in this forum, and since i never had a balls massage before, i felt i should try her services.
hana massage is located in a side alley along soi 22, about a 5/6 minute walk from sukhumvit on the left side, almost opposite the mercure hotel.

even by the often low bangkok standards, this parlor may induce you to do a quick about face:
- as you can see in my pic below, the alley is very nondescript and poor looking.
- as i approached the shop a mangy dog, who rin was tending to, started barking at me.
- rin as reported is not young, difficult to tell, could be 40 to 60 years old.
- i wasnt offered a drink or anything.
- the room where the massage took place was extremely small and cramped.

but then rin starts, and by the time shes finished your legs have turned into jelly, for just 1.000 baht all inclusive. it may not be something id want to do regularly, but this was definitely a hand-job from heaven.

funny bit: upon asking, rin explained that it was an old white guy who taught her!
Call HANA and book Rin's Balls Massage. She'll have you not only Shoot a load that you would not even suspect you could shoot, but also you will have a HARD Hard-on for the next 2 days. Recommended.

[ElMexicant]

I've never negotiated with a lady. And I never will do.

Yesterday I was in Soi 6. Repent Bar. I bought a lady 3 drinks. I wanted to go upstairs with her. She said 400 for the room and 2,000 for her. I said no and wanted to leave. Then she said 1,500. I told her that I know the usual prices in Soi 6 and don't negotiate. I then left.

I then fucked a lady in another bar for the usual 1 K+ room. And she was even prettier. Gave her another 200 tip.

If everyone did it like me, life would be easier.

My mistake was not knowing that the Repent Bar is part of the nightwish group. I hate this nightwish bullshit. You can have everything there, but no boom boom.

I never have asked a lady for the price. Not in Thailand, not in Africa, not in the Caribbean or anywhere else. When I'm on tour, I know the usual prices beforehand. If a lady tells me a price anyway, then I say yes or no. But I not negotiate.What you did is what any normal person will do on the average. Let me ask you for that 1000 baht gem you found at another bar. Including tip and transportation. How much did you spend on the entire Soi 6 experience just to get her? Now you understand the Nightwish monopoly. You should have RTFF. You got a (C) grade grade. To get a be, you should have done what we already wrote about. See a girl. Ask her her rate and how many drinks. That would save you so much trouble. But you tried to flatter her up with drinks, right? These girls quoting 2000-3000 at Soi 6 have Indian dudes buying them drinks for nothing but "hope. " They don't need to fuck anyone.

To get an A. First you ask for their name and age and where they are from. Then ask the price to go upstairs. If they say some BS high price. You call the Mama and manager over to confirm right in front of them and the other girls. Then you say no thanks. Leave without buying any drinks and make it public in the forum which girls are pulling this shit. A+ response will require you to let the girl know that you are about to make her famous. Someone did that with a couple of them and they had to move bars. One even dropped down to 1500 from 3000. Which is crazy for Soi 6. Don't be a rookie.

[Axel Heyst]

I've never negotiated with a lady. And I never will do.

Yesterday I was in Soi 6. Repent Bar. I bought a lady 3 drinks. I wanted to go upstairs with her. She said 400 for the room and 2,000 for her. I said no and wanted to leave. Then she said 1,500. I told her that I know the usual prices in Soi 6 and don't negotiate. I then left.

I then fucked a lady in another bar for the usual 1 K+ room. And she was even prettier. Gave her another 200 tip.

If everyone did it like me, life would be easier.

My mistake was not knowing that the Repent Bar is part of the nightwish group. I hate this nightwish bullshit. You can have everything there, but no boom boom.

I never have asked a lady for the price. Not in Thailand, not in Africa, not in the Caribbean or anywhere else. When I'm on tour, I know the usual prices beforehand. If a lady tells me a price anyway, then I say yes or no. But I not negotiate.I agree with everything you say except the last part. There has to be an agreement on the price or the punter risks having an unnecessary and unpleasant ending to a session. And if the girl thinks you cheated her, your reputation in that bar is shot. So why go through all that? The bad vibes and unpleasantries. So, I always ask the girl's price. In the example you set forth, Nightwish girl wants 2000. I would counter with 1000. Girl says OK, we go upstairs. Girl says 1500, I slowly walk away giving the girl the chance to agree to the real price. Girl says 1200 I might go along with it if the girl is a looker or I might walk anyway. It depends how I feel. But the main point is: I always have an agree on price before I go anywhere with a girl.

It does not matter if I am in LOS, Jakarta, the PI or Brazil. Monger rule #13: Always agree on the price before the session begins so there are no misunderstandings later.

[Stinky Squid]

Yea, I was white knighting, trying to give you a slap to snap you out of your obsession, and stop the bleating. ...You're right, brother, solid advice. Sorry I got defensive.

My cute "friend" says that my magic eyes has been taken for 5 days. Oh the pain and sorrow. Hahaha. Tried to catch gogo girl number 1 and she was with another dude, I would say my age and I don't consider that dude more handsome than me. So I will wait my turn. My cute "friend" was called elsewhere after promptly having met me befor, so I left to cool off and perhaps find something else to do. I'll check out Walking Street gogo place now to compare.

[Stinky Squid]

I was waved by a cutie before Mamasan LK gogo bar in soi LK Metro. I said I go in because she's cute. So she went in with me. Says she's not a dancer but PR outside, and yet she does go with customers. I asked the barfine, and was quoted 1250 which was to include a drink, not sure. But with early evening fines as high as 3600 next door, I figure it's possibly a signal of coming down.

I forgot to mention: in this place the strangest people try to get a lady drink from you. The waiter who was probably gay, even the mamasan. I had to fend them off. Good thing is that this waiter agreed to reverse the order he conveniently misunderstood.

[Tom Thumbbs]

You're right, brother, solid advice. Sorry I got defensive.

My cute "friend" says that my magic eyes has been taken for 5 days. Oh the pain and sorrow. Hahaha. Tried to catch gogo girl number 1 and she was with another dude, I would say my age and I don't consider that dude more handsome than me. So I will wait my turn. My cute "friend" was called elsewhere after promptly having met me befor, so I left to cool off and perhaps find something else to do. I'll check out Walking Street gogo place now to compare.Serious bro.

You really comparing another man's Handsome. Ness to your own. Like it matters to the girl. Assuming neither of you are outliers, 1 or a 10.

In most cases girls go with Guys who willing to pay,. First come first served. She can't be waiting for you to Barfine just cause you Oogle her. Trust me, I'm an Oogler.

[DevSagar]

Hi Guys,

My humble apologies in advance for such a lengthy report. I am still in Pattaya hangover.

I've come back from Pattaya on 24th December. It was a mix of official and pleasure trip. 1st 2 days reserved for fun, next 4 for complete serious work meetings and the last 2 days complete blast. My last personal visit was in 2017 and business transaction in end 2019 before covid struck. Pre-pandemic was a regular visitor to Thailand, Bangkok for business and Pattaya for fun. I had a clear cut agenda of maximum pleasure in those 2 parts and would fit in numbers with a clear mind and go with the flow. During my 4 days of official meetings, I did not even step out of my hotel. I had no interest in visiting Bangkok. I was basically travelling for business and had to really juggle hard in terms of planning and bookings to fit in my pleasure part. Start was not good as Thai Airways flight got delayed by 2 hours and then baggage on belt came after a wait of 50 minutes. Had pre-booked a taxi in 1000 THB from the agency that I have been using since 5/7 years. Nice of taxi driver to wait but I had informed the owner in advance of the delay. Reached Pattaya at 10 PM very tired, checked in my hotel and immediately went for a massage near my hotel. Have been visiting them since 5 years. The best part of the massage is when they put chilled cucumber slices on the face and it gives an instant relief to the tired eyes. 300 THB for the massage and 100 tip to the therapist. Had a cup of coffee back in my room, rested for a while and hit the walking street at 12.30. I had pre-decided that I will not bargain much with a chick and if I like her, will take as I didn't want any sort of drama in my room. I always stay in Sandalay resort on Beach Road and take a 600 sq feet room with ocean view. It was business as usual with so much of pussy around and man, got so confused like a child in a candy store. Below is the list of my adventures-.

16th Dec- Went to a club. Drank a few beers and was looking around but couldn't find anyone to my liking. Suddenly, 2 chicks, both friends walked in. I liked both of them, one a slimmer and second a full on white busty chick. She quoted me 4 K and I said any consideration, she said no. I said babe let's go. I clarified in advance on the DFK, if no; I cannot perform. She was ok with it and goodness me she was mad. The only bummer she gave a CBJ which is useless. Had my one session by 2. 30 and tried to sleep but I couldn't. I am not used to it and fucked her again but couldn't come in an hours' time. Girl was a sport. She said try in morning. At around 6 am, tried again but same story. She gave a nice sensual HJ and departed at 7 am. I offered her if she wanted she could stay back for breakfast as I had double occupancy room with breakfast. She declined my offer.

17th Dec- I had 40 matches on Tinder. One chick I liked had a profile your best Girl Friend of life. I connected with her and she quoted me 3 k, I counter offered with 2 K and she agreed. I simply requested her to prove what's written in her profile. She said 5 PM, I said please come in 30 minutes I. E around 4 pm as I had an online meeting at 5. She came as requested. Boy o boy, I was not disappointed at all. Full on GFE. Wet pussy, horny 36 year old chick, fucked her like crazy and ended with a nice CIM. I was tired like hell as had not slept the previous night and 2 days. Took my shower in night and hit the beach road and walking street to just chill and hang out. No chick pick up as had to shift to another location for 4 work filled days. Came to my room at 2. 30 and slept for 4/5 hours.

18th till 21st December, only work and no fun.

21st December, picked a chick at her quoted price of 3 K for night. I know my weakness that I cannot sleep with anyone, can't share my washroom and need my peace in room. But still pick the chicks for night. Now, this chick had a boyfriend who constantly was pinging her and she was doing her best to convince him that she's in her room. She shut all lights, wore all her clothes back while talking to him. I said WTF. She understood my anger and kissed me like crazy. Now, her tongue had piercing and it was my 1st time kissing a chick with a pierced tongue. She gave me a BJ and it was a different feeling. After one session, I got frustrated with her BFs drama, paid her 3 K and told her to leave.

22nd Dec- My last day here. I was dead tired as had not been sleeping in nights. My body clock is such wherein I need my 4/5 hours of peaceful sleep in night. I am not one of those guys who drink and party all night and then wake up at around 2/3 noon. I have to be in touch with my office guys too as some decisions are mine only. Went to the massage parlor and was informed that they could send a therapist to my room in 500 THB. They showed me a pic and I was informed that the girl is only 19. She was beautiful. I immediately said yes, shared my room number. Girl had not yet arrived at the parlor, was called and sent to my room at 4 PM. The girl was much prettier than her picture. Tall, white skin, beautiful smile. Gave me a massage wherein I forgot about the time as she was a time watcher. Only 10 minutes were left and I said need boom boom. She quoted 2 k and agreed for 1.5 K. She undressed and indeed had flawless skin with a bit of pubic hair. Tight pussy and her moans still ring in my ears. A novice of a girl, her nipples had not developed properly. Her immaturity was clearly visible as she couldn't please me. She kept her mobile phone with her and was looking at the hour to end. I reprimanded her and she said Maam would scold if she gets late. Since, I was not able to come and I did not want her to leave like this, with me having a hard on. She said another 250 THB for a HJ and I agreed with her kissing me and giving me a HJ. It was my stubbornness and greed to come in her hand.

It was my last night in Pattaya. I had not been able to come in noon in pussy, my body was not coping well to the sudden change in temperature with body ache and exhaustion. I decided to do bar hopping. First, went to Lucifer. Didn't like the ambience as hardly any chicks and very thin crowd. Had a beer and walked out in 20 minutes. Went to a couple of other bars. I was very firm that no pick up today, only chilling around. But the horny bastard that I am. Found 2/3 pretty chicks. My brain and body were saying no but the dick has its own brain and thinking prowess. Went to a chick as I had noticed her earlier too. She was cute and very pretty. She quoted 5 K and I said are you serious, 4 k was her last offer. Took another beer and started my round of the club. Found a very pretty girl but my upper head was saying do not go but my lower head was in no mood to listen. She quoted me a figure, I thought 4 K as couldn't listen properly due to loud music and her English skills. She wrote on phone 2 K and I said lets go. She wanted to have a beer and dance. Ordered a beer for her. She told me later that she always get 4/5 k but she wanted her sister to have a client and then she will manage to have one. She stays in Bangkok with her 2 kids and only come to Pattaya when in need of money. 22nd was her first night in Pattaya. It was sheer coincidence that her sister got a client when she was conversing with me. She quoted me this figure because she liked me and was happy for her sister. Much against my upper head wishes, this decision to choose this particular girl was the highlight of my mongering trip. Outstanding experience. What a chick. The best one of my trip. Beat all my last ones. Total GFE. Not greedy. She said no to motorbike as they will charge 200 THB for drop to hotel. I was willing to pay as had been paying all the other nights but she said we go by tuk tuk. Held my hand and guided me to the next stand. Kissing in club, hotel elevator and street, fingering and boob pressing in club while dancing, fucking in my room balcony wherein she wanted to be dominated and fucked hard, a night of complete debauchery. We were lip locked and tongue tied from 3 am to 5 am. Completely drained and exhausted. I came once and told her that wanted to rest and sleep a bit. I was not looking for another session as knew will not be able to come and if she wanted to go, she could. She had her shower to leave. I offered her to stay back for breakfast and rest here for a while but told her that will not fuck. I was in no physical condition to have an erection and perform. She agreed and rested for 2.5 hours. I was not able to sleep, worked on my laptop for an hour or so and then both of us went for breakfast in my hotel at 9 am before she departed at 10 am. She ate heartily and thanked me numerous times for such a lavish meal. It made me happy too to share my meal with her.

Guys, I know I have paid more than the usual prices but I had my fun and would not mind repeating it. I am real short of time due to my work and try to fit in the maximum pleasure at every opportunity. God's been kind. In 2022, been once to Nepal, twice to Vietnam wherein I spent around 3 weeks and now 8 days in Pattaya. Already am looking at the first window to go to Philippines for my first trip and a repeat of Pattaya. Merry Christmas and a very Happy New year to all.

Regards.

[HorseTrader]

I never have asked a lady for the price. Not in Thailand, not in Africa, not in the Caribbean or anywhere else. When I'm on tour, I know the usual prices beforehand. If a lady tells me a price anyway, then I say yes or no. But I not negotiate.I understand your point about not negotiating, but I'm surprised by your words "If a lady tells me a price...." If? Are you also saying that you sometimes do the deed without agreeing to price in advance? That would seem reckless to me.

Him: "Here is your 1000 baht."
Her: "My price is 3000 baht."
Him: "Usual price in this area is 1000 baht."
Her: She storms out the room and says "I'll let you talk to my friend."

There is enough uncertainty in these transactions that I wouldn't want to add any more.

[Sir Lancelot]

I've never negotiated with a lady. And I never will do.

Yesterday I was in Soi 6. Repent Bar. I bought a lady 3 drinks. I wanted to go upstairs with her. She said 400 for the room and 2,000 for her. I said no and wanted to leave. Then she said 1,500. I told her that I know the usual prices in Soi 6 and don't negotiate. I then left.

I then fucked a lady in another bar for the usual 1 K+ room. And she was even prettier. Gave her another 200 tip.

If everyone did it like me, life would be easier.Girls quoting higher than 1000 is not an insult to you, or even dishonesty on the girl's part, it's just part of the game. I fucked ten girls on Soi 6 in November and eight of them quoted 1500 but immediately accepted 1000. Up to the room we went. Same applies to girls in the beer bars and gogo bars. What they initially quote is their best-case scenario, which only the very gullible will accept.

The problem doing it your way is you very generously bought three lady-drinks before walking away. If everyone did the same it would just encourage girls to make their money from drinks instead of spreading their legs for cash, which happens enough on Walking Street.


Sir Lancelot is no Spring Chicken.Steady on mate, I'm 45 and in my prime!

[Tom Thumbbs]

Girls quoting higher than 1000 is not an insult to you, or even dishonesty on the girl's part, it's just part of the game. I fucked ten girls on Soi 6 in November and eight of them quoted 1500 but immediately accepted 1000. Up to the room we went. Same applies to girls in the beer bars and gogo bars. What they initially quote is their best-case scenario, which only the very gullible will accept.

The problem doing it your way is you very generously bought three lady-drinks before walking away. If everyone did the same it would just encourage girls to make their money from drinks instead of spreading their legs for cash, which happens enough on Walking Street.

Steady on mate, I'm 45 and in my prime!How old is Owen? He looks in 70's?

Possible I have you mixed up with him?

[Tom Thumbbs]

Tequila Joe, Pattaya you tuber.

Said on Monday he Kissed 3 Bargirls. Yesterday felt sick, possibly SEX disease. Keeping it Real people. He will seek medical attention.

[Luckyguy7198]

I guess it sounds strange, but do you guys know if nearby Pattaya there are any real swimming pool?

For proper swimming I mean.

Thanks.Pre-covid, had tried and can recommend:

Fairtex Sports Club, 179/185-212 Moo 5, North Pattaya Rd Naklua. Don't know if they have a website. Worthwhile stay too.

Micky Phim Swimming Pool club, WWG7+VPM.

Laguna Beach Resort 3 (The Maldives) near Jomtien Beach. Haven't stayed in those condos but used the pool.

[Tom Thumbbs]

Hi Guys,

My humble apologies in advance for such a lengthy report. I am still in Pattaya hangover.

I've come back from Pattaya on 24th December. It was a mix of official and pleasure trip. 1st 2 days reserved for fun, next 4 for complete serious work meetings and the last 2 days complete blast. My last personal visit was in 2017 and business transaction in end 2019 before covid struck. Pre-pandemic was a regular visitor to Thailand, Bangkok for business and Pattaya for fun. I had a clear cut agenda of maximum pleasure in those 2 parts and would fit in numbers with a clear mind and go with the flow. During my 4 days of official meetings, I did not even step out of my hotel. I had no interest in visiting Bangkok. I was basically travelling for business and had to really juggle hard in terms of planning and bookings to fit in my pleasure part. Start was not good as Thai Airways flight got delayed by 2 hours and then baggage on belt came after a wait of 50 minutes. Had pre-booked a taxi in 1000 THB from the agency that I have been using since 5/7 years. Nice of taxi driver to wait but I had informed the owner in advance of the delay. Reached Pattaya at 10 PM very tired, checked in my hotel and immediately went for a massage near my hotel. Have been visiting them since 5 years. The best part of the massage is when they put chilled cucumber slices on the face and it gives an instant relief to the tired eyes. 300 THB for the massage and 100 tip to the therapist. Had a cup of coffee back in my room, rested for a while and hit the walking street at 12.30. I had pre-decided that I will not bargain much with a chick and if I like her, will take as I didn't want any sort of drama in my room. I always stay in Sandalay resort on Beach Road and take a 600 sq feet room with ocean view. It was business as usual with so much of pussy around and man, got so confused like a child in a candy store. Below is the list of my adventures-.

16th Dec- Went to a club. Drank a few beers and was looking around but couldn't find anyone to my liking. Suddenly, 2 chicks, both friends walked in. I liked both of them, one a slimmer and second a full on white busty chick. She quoted me 4 K and I said any consideration, she said no. I said babe let's go. I clarified in advance on the DFK, if no; I cannot perform. She was ok with it and goodness me she was mad. The only bummer she gave a CBJ which is useless. Had my one session by 2. 30 and tried to sleep but I couldn't. I am not used to it and fucked her again but couldn't come in an hours' time. Girl was a sport. She said try in morning. At around 6 am, tried again but same story. She gave a nice sensual HJ and departed at 7 am. I offered her if she wanted she could stay back for breakfast as I had double occupancy room with breakfast. She declined my offer.

17th Dec- I had 40 matches on Tinder. One chick I liked had a profile your best Girl Friend of life. I connected with her and she quoted me 3 k, I counter offered with 2 K and she agreed. I simply requested her to prove what's written in her profile. She said 5 PM, I said please come in 30 minutes I. E around 4 pm as I had an online meeting at 5. She came as requested. Boy o boy, I was not disappointed at all. Full on GFE. Wet pussy, horny 36 year old chick, fucked her like crazy and ended with a nice CIM. I was tired like hell as had not slept the previous night and 2 days. Took my shower in night and hit the beach road and walking street to just chill and hang out. No chick pick up as had to shift to another location for 4 work filled days. Came to my room at 2. 30 and slept for 4/5 hours.

18th till 21st December, only work and no fun.

21st December, picked a chick at her quoted price of 3 K for night. I know my weakness that I cannot sleep with anyone, can't share my washroom and need my peace in room. But still pick the chicks for night. Now, this chick had a boyfriend who constantly was pinging her and she was doing her best to convince him that she's in her room. She shut all lights, wore all her clothes back while talking to him. I said WTF. She understood my anger and kissed me like crazy. Now, her tongue had piercing and it was my 1st time kissing a chick with a pierced tongue. She gave me a BJ and it was a different feeling. After one session, I got frustrated with her BFs drama, paid her 3 K and told her to leave.

22nd Dec- My last day here. I was dead tired as had not been sleeping in nights. My body clock is such wherein I need my 4/5 hours of peaceful sleep in night. I am not one of those guys who drink and party all night and then wake up at around 2/3 noon. I have to be in touch with my office guys too as some decisions are mine only. Went to the massage parlor and was informed that they could send a therapist to my room in 500 THB. They showed me a pic and I was informed that the girl is only 19. She was beautiful. I immediately said yes, shared my room number. Girl had not yet arrived at the parlor, was called and sent to my room at 4 PM. The girl was much prettier than her picture. Tall, white skin, beautiful smile. Gave me a massage wherein I forgot about the time as she was a time watcher. Only 10 minutes were left and I said need boom boom. She quoted 2 k and agreed for 1.5 K. She undressed and indeed had flawless skin with a bit of pubic hair. Tight pussy and her moans still ring in my ears. A novice of a girl, her nipples had not developed properly. Her immaturity was clearly visible as she couldn't please me. She kept her mobile phone with her and was looking at the hour to end. I reprimanded her and she said Maam would scold if she gets late. Since, I was not able to come and I did not want her to leave like this, with me having a hard on. She said another 250 THB for a HJ and I agreed with her kissing me and giving me a HJ. It was my stubbornness and greed to come in her hand.

It was my last night in Pattaya. I had not been able to come in noon in pussy, my body was not coping well to the sudden change in temperature with body ache and exhaustion. I decided to do bar hopping. First, went to Lucifer. Didn't like the ambience as hardly any chicks and very thin crowd. Had a beer and walked out in 20 minutes. Went to a couple of other bars. I was very firm that no pick up today, only chilling around. But the horny bastard that I am. Found 2/3 pretty chicks. My brain and body were saying no but the dick has its own brain and thinking prowess. Went to a chick as I had noticed her earlier too. She was cute and very pretty. She quoted 5 K and I said are you serious, 4 k was her last offer. Took another beer and started my round of the club. Found a very pretty girl but my upper head was saying do not go but my lower head was in no mood to listen. She quoted me a figure, I thought 4 K as couldn't listen properly due to loud music and her English skills. She wrote on phone 2 K and I said lets go. She wanted to have a beer and dance. Ordered a beer for her. She told me later that she always get 4/5 k but she wanted her sister to have a client and then she will manage to have one. She stays in Bangkok with her 2 kids and only come to Pattaya when in need of money. 22nd was her first night in Pattaya. It was sheer coincidence that her sister got a client when she was conversing with me. She quoted me this figure because she liked me and was happy for her sister. Much against my upper head wishes, this decision to choose this particular girl was the highlight of my mongering trip. Outstanding experience. What a chick. The best one of my trip. Beat all my last ones. Total GFE. Not greedy. She said no to motorbike as they will charge 200 THB for drop to hotel. I was willing to pay as had been paying all the other nights but she said we go by tuk tuk. Held my hand and guided me to the next stand. Kissing in club, hotel elevator and street, fingering and boob pressing in club while dancing, fucking in my room balcony wherein she wanted to be dominated and fucked hard, a night of complete debauchery. We were lip locked and tongue tied from 3 am to 5 am. Completely drained and exhausted. I came once and told her that wanted to rest and sleep a bit. I was not looking for another session as knew will not be able to come and if she wanted to go, she could. She had her shower to leave. I offered her to stay back for breakfast and rest here for a while but told her that will not fuck. I was in no physical condition to have an erection and perform. She agreed and rested for 2.5 hours. I was not able to sleep, worked on my laptop for an hour or so and then both of us went for breakfast in my hotel at 9 am before she departed at 10 am. She ate heartily and thanked me numerous times for such a lavish meal. It made me happy too to share my meal with her.

Guys, I know I have paid more than the usual prices but I had my fun and would not mind repeating it. I am real short of time due to my work and try to fit in the maximum pleasure at every opportunity. God's been kind. In 2022, been once to Nepal, twice to Vietnam wherein I spent around 3 weeks and now 8 days in Pattaya. Already am looking at the first window to go to Philippines for my first trip and a repeat of Pattaya. Merry Christmas and a very Happy New year to all.

Regards.I think you should be applauded for keeping prices in check.

A 2 kid lady who normally goes for 4,5 thousand you got for 2,000.

You are quite the Business Man.

Seriously guys stop thinking Long Time with anyone in Pattayas is 1,000. It's not.

[Mr Enternational]

Laguna Beach Resort 3 (The Maldives) near Jomtien Beach. Haven't stayed in those condos but used the pool.My wingman lives there. Sometimes the door leading to the upstairs pool is locked and you will have to catch someone leaving out or going in at the same time. There are tons of people out at the pool these days though.

[EihTooms]

Over the 10 years I have lived in Bangkok I have observed thousands of approaches and, presumably, some kind of negotiation happening between reasonably normal and tidy looking punters and P4 P ladies of all levels of attractiveness or not and apparent financial need or solvency, in go-go bars, beer bars, clubs, places like Thermae, Beer Garden and on the street.

The vast majority of them end with the punter walking away alone and, possibly, on with the hunt.

Now, I can't know exactly what terms all those apparently defeated or unsatisfied punter negotiators were trying to score but couldn't.

But if anything close to 1,000 baht for a genuine overnight LT that includes anything close to Real Sex at least once during that time period was not acceptable for all those punters, so far off the target from what they wanted in fact that the vast majority of them preferred to walk away from the vast majority of those supposedly "strictly business" hookers they just negotiated with, then the mind reels over what possible terms were being summarily and decisively rejected by all those hookers who were perfectly fine with, at minimum, skipping a purportedly "normal" paycheck for it.

A week of bareback anal for 200 baht?

Shooting a snuff film with her as the shackled star for 100 baht? Well, for free really.

My inquiring mind would love to know.

Oh, no doubt about it, if I and presumably all of those other punters with many 1000 baht notes burning a hole in our pocket set out to find a Bangkok hooker willing to accept just one of those 1000 baht notes for a genuine overnight LT of Real Sex and were willing to hunt and peck until 6 am to score it, we could do it every night, er, I mean every morning of the week.

But I can't say very many of them would be as hot and happy to go with the flow of no discussion Real Sex / BBFSCIP for LT as all those 8's, 9's and 10's are on Beach Road, Soi 6 and the top go-go bars on Walking Street in Pattaya.

[Tom Thumbbs]

Over the 10 years I have lived in Bangkok I have observed thousands of approaches and, presumably, some kind of negotiation happening between reasonably normal and tidy looking punters and P4 P ladies of all levels of attractiveness or not and apparent financial need or solvency, in go-go bars, beer bars, clubs, places like Thermae, Beer Garden and on the street.

The vast majority of them end with the punter walking away alone and, possibly, on with the hunt.

Now, I can't know exactly what terms all those apparently defeated or unsatisfied punter negotiators were trying to score but couldn't.

But if anything close to 1,000 baht for a genuine overnight LT that includes anything close to Real Sex at least once during that time period was not acceptable for all those punters, so far off the target from what they wanted in fact that the vast majority of them preferred to walk away from the vast majority of those supposedly "strictly business" hookers they just negotiated with, then the mind reels over what possible terms were being summarily and decisively rejected by all those hookers who were perfectly fine with, at minimum, skipping a purportedly "normal" paycheck for it.

A week of bareback anal for 200 baht?

Shooting a snuff film with her as the shackled star for 100 baht? Well, for free really..Come on bro. Hop on my bandwagon and just say I'm right about pricing.

Why so many of you will not call out the Guy who is just so off the Wall and misleading.

Problem is people believe it. Even apologize for paying Market Pricing. It pains me to no end.

[MadDin19]

Girls quoting higher than 1000 is not an insult to you, or even dishonesty on the girl's part, it's just part of the game. I fucked ten girls on Soi 6 in November and eight of them quoted 1500 but immediately accepted 1000. Up to the room we went. Same applies to girls in the beer bars and gogo bars. What they initially quote is their best-case scenario, which only the very gullible will accept.
I'm guessing those 10 ladies on Soi 6 called the 1,500 because you asked how much, right?

If you ask how much on Soi 6, they assume you're new and have no idea.

I must have had 150 girls on Soi 6 in the last 15 years. I never asked for a price. Why should I, I know the prices. Previously 700, now 1,000. Only twice was a price over 1,000 called. Then I left.

Last week I had some LT from bars in Soi Buakao and Pothole. I did not ask for prices and I was not quoted any prices. The next morning I gave them 2,000 and breakfast. And everyone is happy.

Most young girls don't want to negotiate. They don't want to feel like they're being treated like a working girl.

[Mr Enternational]

16th Dec- Went to a club. Drank a few beers and was looking around but couldn't find anyone to my liking. Suddenly, 2 chicks, both friends walked in. I liked both of them, one a slimmer and second a full on white busty chick. She quoted me 4 K and I said any consideration, she said no. I said babe let's go.This leads me to believe you were at Jannaat or one of the other Indian discos on walking street. Nowhere else have I heard a chick say prices that high. I was there last month and a girl told me 3000. I said stop joking me. She told me normal price that chicks charge there is 4000. I asked around to other chicks and they were definitely saying 4000 and serious. I looked in the menu and drink prices were more than 2 times higher than any other discos. So much for Indian guys being cheap and not paying chicks enough.

[Tom Thumbbs]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz7JvPN_94A

Stayed up to 4 am watching this. I didn't even watch the Russians at the end part. OMG they were HELLA Ugly. Hahahaha.

Has a bit of everything in this Livestream.

Old 50 year, quite ok looking still. Probably a Hottie in her youth 25 years ago. Hahaha. Is contracted by a Low iq Livstreamer for short time for 2,000. After about 10 minutes leaving Club he says he change his mind and gives her 100 baht to go away. This is the highlight.

Chat went wild, many think not the best of ideas.

Hard to explain anything that went on without context. There is a lot.

[EihTooms]

Come on bro. Hop on my bandwagon and just say I'm right about pricing.

Why so many of you will not call out the Guy who is just so off the Wall and misleading.

Problem is people believe it. Even apologize for paying Market Pricing. It pains me to no end.Oh, I am too much of a fan of rosy outlooks to call out any of this more than I have already over the years. Rosy outlooks give me a Hallmark Greeting Card warm and fuzzy feeling inside. Besides, none of us can refute anyone else's testimonials based on their personal experiences.

Yes, it flies in the face of my personal experiences and observations over the years. Dramatically so. But maybe I am just unlucky, have bad timing, make terrible choices, suffer from severe ugliness and extremely poor hygiene, have zero charm and good humor, unknowingly display a contempt for their culture and language or am just not doing it right and have no game.

But look at the pretty pictures so many "boots-on-the-ground" experts have painted here:

- Condoms in Thailand are over, there is no discussion about BBFS+CIP required. Just go with the flow in the room. At worst, maybe 10% of the ladies might mention something about wearing a condom. But a 500 baht tip, maximum, will change her mind.

- 1000 baht is the cost of a genuine overnight Long Time. Has been for years. Ok, maybe 1,500 baht if she is off the chart special. And we're not talking about skanks on sub soi alleys, 35+ year old grandmas with a belly hanging over their waistband and crows feet creases on their face. No, we're talking about the exact same hottest young girls working in the top gogo bars who routinely get suckers to pay 3,000+ for Short Time plus 1,000 baht barfine and a few 200+ baht Ladydrinks. Again, no discussion BBFS+CIP is the norm with all of them too, same as all the other hottest girls in Thailand.

- Blowjob Bar girls always swallow all of our cum. There will be no spitting it out after the 100% CIM finish. Well, almost always. Often enough for it to also be "the norm. " And, again, no upfront discussion about it is necessary, just count on it happening.

Anybody else got that warm and fuzzy feeling inside?

The irony in these rosy outlook "boots-on-the-ground" expert assertions is if they are true then the other "boots-on-the-ground" experts who pooh-pooh those typical punter options and instead tout sources like Fiwfans where the testimonials paint a dreadful picture of 1,200 -1,500 baht for a mere Short Time with condoms required for virtually every act of so-called intercourse or severe penalties will be doled out are actually getting a worse deal than the gogo bar punters! LOL.

[DevSagar]

Spot on. I did visit a few clubs like lucifer, insomania and others too apart from Indian clubs. You're right about expensive beers in Indian clubs but my issue was to fit in maximum fun in a limited period of time. Even in Lucifer beer cost me 180 THB and if I remember correctly it was around 200/250 THB in Indian clubs.

I also agree with you that there are a lot of Indians who do pay well and are polished guys. I did go to a club with my 2 European colleagues and 2 from India. We had just gone out at 12.30 am to chill and enjoy wherein took a table for 25 K THB along with a bottle of Black Label Gold reserve and a bottle of vodka. My European colleagues were from Germany and wanted to experience this part of fun and I had to tag along. I was not at all keen on it as I knew that we are being fleeced but kept my mouth shut and contributed my 20% of the total expense. Never ever done kind of bull shit when alone. They got drunk as they had their share of beers in the hotel before we departed for these clubs. Did not pick up any chicks and came back at around 4 am. I was absolutely sure of no mongering during those 4 days. It is only because of a few that the whole brown skinned people get tarnished. I acknowledged I paid more than the actual price. It is not my 1st time to Thailand; been there numerous times in last 12 years but then I had more time and planned my mongering excursions well. I know the game, normal prices but this was a trip where in I fit my fun. So a bit of money here and there was of no consequence to me. Yes, I do dress well, am fit at my age, look good, give a lot of importance to grooming and come across as a presentable Gentleman. I am fair, not white but not brown or black as well. No offence to any gentleman here; my apologies. I have been told by chicks that I do not look my age and look like from Europe or an Arab as I have beard which is well kempt.

Sadly, I do agree with you on the Indian part but I have never ever faced any kind of discrimination where ever I've mongered including Europe and Middle East. I do not agree that all Indians or brown skinned people act as cheap and hooligans. It's a label and yes, got to live with it.

Regards.


This leads me to believe you were at Jannaat or one of the other Indian discos on walking street. Nowhere else have I heard a chick say prices that high. I was there last month and a girl told me 3000. I said stop joking me. She told me normal price that chicks charge there is 4000. I asked around to other chicks and they were definitely saying 4000 and serious. I looked in the menu and drink prices were more than 2 times higher than any other discos. So much for Indian guys being cheap and not paying chicks enough.

[MadMax9336]

This is my 3rd and not even laid so far as 1st day checked in pretty late after 12 hours bus ride from siem reap to pattaya.

2nd day went to coral island to show for my wingman visting for the first time. Late in the night on walking street full of indian discos and bars. The quality is very poor. Only few 8/9 quoting around 4 k+.

Went to dhara health spa and got the massage for 200 bht and called it a night.

Today some strange feeling of low fever. Not sure is it due to water sports or some kind of viral or food that we had buffet in a iranian restaurent. Took some ibuprofiens and slept the half of day.

Now I am planning to do some sight seeing with my wingman and probably stop by at soi 6 for a quick lay for 1 k. I never been to soi 6 in the past and any recommendation is really appreciated.

Cannot bring any one to my hotel being the wingman is staying with me and not interested to participated and don't wanted to him to stay in the lobby as he feels under the weather too.

Going to rent a scooter now (oh boy prices are quoting around 400+) and finish the sight seeing with my wingman and drop him off before heading to soi 6.

If any one around and want to join me, DM please.

[MadDin19]

I understand your point about not negotiating, but I'm surprised by your words "If a lady tells me a price...." If? Are you also saying that you sometimes do the deed without agreeing to price in advance? That would seem reckless to me.

Him: "Here is your 1000 baht."
Her: "My price is 3000 baht."
Him: "Usual price in this area is 1000 baht."
Her: She storms out the room and says "I'll let you talk to my friend."

There is enough uncertainty in these transactions that I wouldn't want to add any more.I don't know where you are from but I think you are now comparing Pattaya to a dirty *****house in Europe.

Just a short story, then maybe you will understand me:

Just before the pandemic, I went to a bar on Soi 3 and sat down. Next to me was an US guy who was negotiating with a girl. She was very young and pretty, but her English was very poor. He wanted her to go with him but she didn't look very happy.

Then he negotiated with the Mamasan. First he bid 2,000 then 2,500 then 3,000. The girl didn't want. Then he left.

20 minutes later she was sitting outside the bar with me and we were playing four in the row. An hour later she left with me. I wasn't talking about money. Not with the girl and not with the Mamasan.

Now my question:

Why did she go with me without knowing what I was giving her?

The Answer:

In most cases, your behavior is more important than the size of your wallet. But many of you are running around Pattaya like at a cattle market. The American negotiated with the Mamasan as if she were a cattle. The girl realized that.

I don't know how many LT I had from the beer bars. Maybe a few hundred. But I've never, never, ever talked about money in a bar. Not with the girls and not with the Mamasan. Never. Pattaya is not like a *****house in Europe.

[Explorer8939]

Concerning pricing:

Short Times goes for 1000 to 1500 for most bars, except for gogos and the like.

2000 is standard for Long Time.

There are always outliers. You can get ST for 500 at Insomnia bar at 3 am, if you are a hansum man.

Unless you know the lady, get a set price before you leave the bar. Never accept "up to you".

Posting about 500 baht ST here doesn't help anyone, as it is rare. Yeah, maybe some older lady on Beach Road quotes 500 baht.

[Gonova]

I have heard many people recommend TF and Tinder for when we visit Pattaya. I am planning on getting a Thai Sim card when I land which means a new number. Should I wait till I set that up before creating an account on either? How do you guys coordinate travelling, a new number, and signing up for premium services?

Do you recommend Tinder premium? TF premium? Any other apps?

[Sir Lancelot]

I'm guessing those 10 ladies on Soi 6 called the 1,500 because you asked how much, right?

If you ask how much on Soi 6, they assume you're new and have no idea.Correct. After hitting it off I asked about the price. They said 1500. I said 1000. She accepted and upstairs we went. Smiles all round. Simple.

Negotiation is not the dirty word you make it out to be. Girls expect money talk. 8 out of 10 girls I fucked quoted 1500 but accepted 1000. Every single one of them delivered great sex in the room upstairs, showered me with kisses, cuddled up to me afterwards, posed for photos and got my Line details. Certainly no offence on their part. It's not the 'cattle market' you portray it to be.


If everyone did it like me, life would be easier.I totally disagree. You walked away from a girl you bought three drinks for because she had the audacity to ask for more than the going rate. I don't see how you can frame that as some kind of victory. If you had said 'I pay 1000', you'd have gone upstairs and had a great time. Instead you shelled out for three lady-drinks and wasted an hour on a girl, then had to buy another lady-drink for another girl in another bar. And you were lucky she didn't quote 1500 too, otherwise you'd have had to repeat the process ad infinitum.

Also it's worth noting that you seem to be fairly experienced. There will be people reading this forum who are planning their very first trip. Newbies not agreeing prices beforehand would be a recipe for disaster, leading to all kinds of complications in the room.

[MadDin19]

Correct. After hitting it off I asked about the price. They said 1500. I said 1000. She accepted and upstairs we went. Smiles all round. Simple.

I think you also have a lot of experience in Pattaya and we surely agree that Soi 6 is the hardcore part of this city.

What I find really funny is that you know very well that the standard on Soi 6 is 1000, you then ask the girls how much and then you bring them back to 1000. I like you LOL.

I don't understand why you ask??

[Mr Enternational]

I think you also have a lot of experience in Pattaya and we surely agree that Soi 6 is the hardcore part of this city.

What I find really funny is that you know very well that the standard on Soi 6 is 1000, you then ask the girls how much and then you bring them back to 1000. I like you LOL.

I don't understand why you ask??Like I said, I ask sometimes just to see what they say. There was a day when I could get the Soi 6 girls down to 700. Those days are gone. Everybody that I talked to on the 6 it is now a firm 1000 plus room.

Discos or freelance (excluding Beach Road) I don"t bring up price. If the girl says how much you give me then I say 1000 or 1200. But otherwise they are always fine with me giving them 1000 afterwards whether ST or LT. They always come back so yes they are fine with it.

[Axel Heyst]

Correct. After hitting it off I asked about the price. They said 1500. I said 1000. She accepted and upstairs we went. Smiles all round. Simple.

Negotiation is not the dirty word you make it out to be. Girls expect money talk. 8 out of 10 girls I fucked quoted 1500 but accepted 1000. Every single one of them delivered great sex in the room upstairs, showered me with kisses, cuddled up to me afterwards, posed for photos and got my Line details. Certainly no offence on their part. It's not the 'cattle market' you portray it to be.

I totally disagree. You walked away from a girl you bought three drinks for because she had the audacity to ask for more than the going rate. I don't see how you can frame that as some kind of victory. If you had said 'I pay 1000', you'd have gone upstairs and had a great time. Instead you shelled out for three lady-drinks and wasted an hour on a girl, then had to buy another lady-drink for another girl in another bar. And you were lucky she didn't quote 1500 too, otherwise you'd have had to repeat the process ad infinitum.

Also it's worth noting that you seem to be fairly experienced. There will be people reading this forum who are planning their very first trip. Newbies not agreeing prices beforehand would be a recipe for disaster, leading to all kinds of complications in the room.So true Sir Lancelot. It is not a negotiation when a diner ask his waiter in a restaurant how much the special of the day is. He is ascertaining what the price of a meal is before he decides to order it. Likewise, it is very important to establish what the price is for a girl's service before you agree to it unless you don't care what the price is. But we know this is not the position of the OP. He really cares what the price is, and he thinks he has found a way to always pay what he wants to pay regardless of what the girl wants for her services.

So, in this Soi 6 example, the OP spends time with a girl at the bar. I assume he is getting friendly with her, and you know what I mean by friendly. 555. So, after being with her for 20 to 40 minutes he decides that he wants to have sex with the girl. The final step is to ascertain where, how long, and how much. This is not negotiating. It is fact finding before making a commitment to enter a verbal agreement The girl knows exactly what is going on and she is probably happy that the customer is interested. Thus, she willingly answers these fundamental questions. As you point out, some Soi 6 girls might initially ask 1500 while others will ask 1000, but most if not, all will immediately agree to 1000. This is just establishing what the mutually agreed price will be. The whole price conversation takes less than 30 seconds. It is not a negotiation. It is a price discovery that the two parties can agree on, and it is done to avoid any unpleasant misunderstandings that might occur otherwise.

But if a girl wants more than the Soi 6 market price of 1000 all the punter has to do is politely end the conversation and in the next 5 minutes or so walk away and find another girl. It is Easy Peasy. And he most likely dodged a bullet. What our OP is suggesting is the wrong way of picking up girls and it will eventually lead him to some very unpleasant outcomes. Even if he gets away with it most of the time, he will earn a bad reputation with all the girls at the bars where he practices this sort of behavior and burning your bridges at every bar you frequent is never a good idea or proper way to monger.

Back to the restaurant example: so suppose a dinner patron orders the tuna steak special of the day without ascertaining its price. He then finishes his meal, gets the check, is surprised by the cost, and promptly tells the waiter that he is not paying $45 for his tuna steak dinner because according to him the correct price should be $20. Is there any doubt where this type of behavior will lead the customer in the end? This is what the OP is essentially doing with his girls in Pattaya. Like I said, he may get away with it in the short run, but eventually this form of mongering will catch up to him if it has not already.

[Axel Heyst]

I think you also have a lot of experience in Pattaya and we surely agree that Soi 6 is the hardcore part of this city.

What I find really funny is that you know very well that the standard on Soi 6 is 1000, you then ask the girls how much and then you bring them back to 1000. I like you LOL.

I don't understand why you ask??Because the price is not written on the wall or in a menu. And furthermore, extrapolating this sort of behavior to Go Go's, FL's in clubs, and SW's on Beach Road will lead to unnecessary bad consequences. The only places I know where the price is written down and pre-set is in Oily Massage parlors and Soapies. And in every massage parlor I have ever gone to, the hostess will show the customer the price list and in most places in Thailand demand payment in advance. In Macau, Jakarta, SP, RJ bordellos the customer pays before leaving, but try to leave without paying your tab and you will wake up in the hospital.

[Tom Thumbbs]

Bottom rung of ladder pricing has pretty much been covered.

Time for top now. Guys don't worry Girls are not getting 4,000 short time at Indian Clubs.

It s Pattaya for Human Sakes.

[Banana Boi]

Hopefully I'm not out of line here since I haven't read through most posts.

There are 2 reasons a girl may quote you 4000 baht. The first is the vastly discussed fact that they just don't want to go with you. The second is the reality that you are from a certain place (China, Hong Kong, India as examples) where the tendency is that guys from those countries negotiate hard so the girl starts off at a ridiculous price. Their rate may be 2000 so that's why their initial quote is 4000.

As for confirming the price before taking a girl I have done this many times but would only do it with a girl if she worked in a reputable bar. It must also be a girl who I have seen in the same bar at least a couple of weeks before. Even better a girl who knows I'm a regular at that bar. Right or wrong in my mind that drastically reduces the chance I will be overcharged by the girl I didn't negotiate with. If there is an issue at most I'll be out is maybe 1000 baht and I'll be talking to mamasan at that bar the very next day. I will also be writing the bar name and posting the girl's name or number on ISG.

I would not do the above at Soi 6 or Thermae as prices seem to be in flux these days. Obviously I would never go with a FL without confirming a price and my requirements.

Finally, thank you to the member who actually NAMED the Soi 6 bar where a girl was trying to overcharge him. We all need to be diligent in doing this. That way we know where we need to be cautious about pricing.

[MartinFlevo]

Without having to read all the topics of the last 200 pages. It's quite simple. The standard price for LT was around 2 K before covid. And yes a girls way of say "no" was always to just quote a high price (hoping the guy would decline).

HOWEVER. The demographics of guys have changed a LOT since 2017. Where (we) farang where the majority its now a lot of indian / arabs who are calling the shots in especially WS. These guys (along with the asians) are not as "cheap charlie" as we farang. They don't care if they are quotes 4 K or even 10 k.

Why would they go with a 40+ year old farang for 2 K if they can also just wait and hope for someone else who pays more? Don't forget the salaries from gogobars have increased a LOT. So they not depend on ST / LT as much as precovid anyway.

So if a chick gets a lot of the non-farang mongers there is a fair change she won't lower her quote. However if she likes you price won't be a showstopper anyway. I got plenty of action for 2 K from agogos even in 2022. And yes. Even from pinup there is chick who wanted to go for just 2 K longtime.

As a wise man told me over 20 years ago "You don't pick a working girl, she picks you".

So my word of advice? Don't focus that much on a chick YOU like. But try the once that also like you (as a person).

[HorseTrader]

As a wise man told me over 20 years ago "You don't pick a working girl, she picks you".

So my word of advice? Don't focus that much on a chick YOU like. But try the once that also like you (as a person).I agree with this because her liking you is the first step to having good service in the room. There are enough appealing girls who eyeball me from the stage that I don't even think about the others.

[GentileBear]

The sandal wearing guys who walk in packs of 4-7 and sit and the gogos sharing one bottled water call the shots? Hmmm. Well glad there is still LK Metro. And I agree. Letting the ladies choose you makes a BBFS CIP session much more likely.

[Tom Thumbbs]

Without having to read all the topics of the last 200 pages. It's quite simple. The standard price for LT was around 2 K before covid. And yes a girls way of say "no" was always to just quote a high price (hoping the guy would decline).

HOWEVER. The demographics of guys have changed a LOT since 2017. Where (we) farang where the majority its now a lot of indian / arabs who are calling the shots in especially WS. These guys (along with the asians) are not as "cheap charlie" as we farang. They don't care if they are quotes 4 K or even 10 k.

Why would they go with a 40+ year old farang for 2 K if they can also just wait and hope for someone else who pays more? Don't forget the salaries from gogobars have increased a LOT. So they not depend on ST / LT as much as precovid anyway.

So if a chick gets a lot of the non-farang mongers there is a fair change she won't lower her quote. However if she likes you price won't be a showstopper anyway. I got plenty of action for 2 K from agogos even in 2022. And yes. Even from pinup there is chick who wanted to go for just 2 K longtime.

As a wise man told me over 20 years ago "You don't pick a working girl, she picks you".

So my word of advice? Don't focus that much on a chick YOU like. But try the once that also like you (as a person).Walking Street is Agogos.

I was there a few months ago when Thailand was pushing hard for Indians. For the life of me Pinups and every other Agogo was not teeming with Indian s,. Hencely hence how could they be calling the shots. Several cases they weren't even allowed inside. Hahaha.

[TjBrazil]

I have heard many people recommend TF and Tinder for when we visit Pattaya. I am planning on getting a Thai Sim card when I land which means a new number. Should I wait till I set that up before creating an account on either? How do you guys coordinate travelling, a new number, and signing up for premium services?

Do you recommend Tinder premium? TF premium? Any other apps?Never use your real number when mongering. Wait till you get to the country and buy a sim there and ditch it when you leave. If you want to get a burner phone in the US so you can talk to some girls before you leave, you can do that. All it takes is one girl to try and extort you.

[XXL]

...

As a wise man told me over 20 years ago "You don't pick a working girl, she picks you".

So my word of advice? Don't focus that much on a chick YOU like. But try the once that also like you (as a person).That's what I could or would never do as a monger. That is also why there is so much misunderstanding when success rates in some venues are discussed. Sitting down and settling for one of the girls who approaches you is one thing. Having your pick of the hottest girls is a different ballgame.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

That's what I could or would never do as a monger. That is also why there is so much misunderstanding when success rates in some venues are discussed. Sitting down and settling for one of the girls who approaches you is one thing. Having your pick of the hottest girls is a different ballgame.When it comes to the hottest girls, you can always eventually pay them enough to fuck them.

But you can never pay them enough to give you an organic, fully engaged, great time.

That part of the deal, of a session, if it comes at all, comes for free.

It's they who decide to give it, or withhold it, based on how they perceive you, like you, feel about you, etc.

To highlight that, a this week true story.

In Phuket I've been slowly chasing, interacting more like, with a "for me", irresistible cutie for probably six months now.

I'd see her, chat openly, buy her drinks, tip her, have sensual fun, but never sealed the deal to take her home.

She always made more than enough between salary, lady drinks and tips, to rarely need or want to go with customers.

She told me also, that for a price she would, and that that price was high.

It was clearly higher than I was wanting to pay as a local, and not a one week millionaire tourist.

I will admit I came close to deciding to buy her many a time, but thankfully I never crossed that line.

It in a way that endeared her to me, had her looking at me differently, not as just a pay to fuck her person.

This week I saw her again, she was busy already, so I sat and drank with a mate.

Then another girl, a hot 21 yo SYT, ex coyote dancer, I knew and had had great times with came into the bar and made a beeline for me.

She was all over me, getting very hot and heavy, and I was moving slowly towards taking her home for the night.

From there it got interesting, my cutie became free, unbeknownst to me, and also made a beeline to me.

She came to me with jealous eyes, so now I had two, one each side, trying to outdo each other and "win" me.

Let's just say I used it nicely to my advantage, and ended up bedding the cutie that night in a great engaged session.

As said above, that night she was the one that crossed over the line, she chose me, and I had the windfall of that.

At a price point a few hours later, one that had never been discussed, which was low end and totally acceptable to me.

[Mogwai]

I have heard many people recommend TF and Tinder for when we visit Pattaya. I am planning on getting a Thai Sim card when I land which means a new number. Should I wait till I set that up before creating an account on either? How do you guys coordinate travelling, a new number, and signing up for premium services?
Do you recommend Tinder premium? TF premium? Any other apps?You can create accounts while you're still at home. You have to sign in with a user name and password. It's internet based, so it has nothing to do with your sim card or phone number.
I can recommend TF Premium. The free version has too many limitations, IMHO. I don't have experience with Tinder.
Another app that you definitely need in Thailand is Line, because at least 99% of the girls are using it to stay in touch.

[Mogwai]

I did go to a club with my 2 European colleagues and 2 from India. We had just gone out at 12.30 am to chill and enjoy wherein took a table for 25 K THB along with a bottle of Black Label Gold reserve and a bottle of vodka. 25 K THB? I guess that should have been 2.5 K?

[Mogwai]

As a wise man told me over 20 years ago "You don't pick a working girl, she picks you".Unfortunately the last time this happened to me is also 20 years ago, when I was still a hansum young man.

[DevSagar]

Sorry Sir, you do not get private tables in a lounge kind of setting with sofa and private service in 2. 5 k THB with those kind of clubs like Jannat.

I know it is very high as I would not have done it if alone but got tagged along. Couldn't say no to my European colleagues.

Still rue it.

Regards.


25 K THB? I guess that should have been 2.5 K?

[Dion Cassius]

I am back in Pattaya. According to the eminent members of this forum, what would be a fun place to hang out during New Year's eve?

[DevSagar]

Allow me to clarify that this payment included the cost of 2 bottles mentioned in my post and a few tid bits along with the liquor.

It was divided among-st all members.

Also, I am not at all proud of my this expense.

Regards.


25 K THB? I guess that should have been 2.5 K?

[11Bravo]

Monger rule #13: Always agree on the price before the session beginsAgree, but disagree. For me, THAT is rule #3:

1. Agree on menu, including services, number of shots, etc.

2. Duration, as in LT / ST, and, more specific, what time will she leave.

3. Price, with a pay AFTER tagline.

Do all that BEFORE leaving the bar, club, venue, street location, whatever. That's for the first time. If / when she joins the 11 Bravo pitching rotation, no need to bring it up again. With some that have been on the team for a long time, I know what others are now getting, I will give an unsolicited raise, few and far between, but it has happened. If I hear "good business tonight", I just say good luck, and there's an open slot on the rotation. "Regular" works both ways, she has a steady income, I have someone I don't have to start from zero with.

Now, pay after only works if you do. If she's a starfish, well, now I know. I still pay the agreed upon amount, just never repeat. If she changes the menu, say BBBJ becomes CBJ, no CIM, or no morning wakeup, I still pay with a remark, never repeat. MY only exception is if she turns an agreed LT into a ST. In that case, then I pay MY ST rate. This has worked for me for decades. On occasion, I'll forget one, two, sometimes even all 3 of MY rules. Sometimes it works, more often, not, and I have to relearn the lessons again.

I'm just curious, Axel Heyst, what are your first 12 rules; I'm always willing to learn.


I've never negotiated with a lady. And I never will do.As above, I don't need to negotiate with someone I've pulled before. But I never hesitate to negotiate. NOW, I've RTFF, UTFSE, and made use of the valuable info here to know beforehand what the going rates are. If my offer is accepted, off we go. If her offer is reasonable, off we go. If her offer is high, I'll make a fair counter-offer, not trying for the floor (used to do that but quickly changed as why waste entertainment time over some miniscule amount? My TIME is also worth something, more than $14 (500 baht, 50 dhs, etc.)). I always base my offer on what the going rate is for her class (soloist or chorus), with adjustments with what her experience is worth to me that night. I've NEVER worried about what others are paying, the ONLY thing important to me is if it's a good deal for ME (just selfish that way). Sure, I've heard OTT prices. Fine with me, 1) I didn't pay, and 2) happy for the girl that she had a windfall, might keep her in the game longer (best I heard was in DXB, a superstar I knew quoted 700 for ST; she was grinning ear to ear when she returned, he'd paid her in USD, not DHS).

It just removes one of HER concerns so she can relax and have some fun. How many here would take a contract with no compensation agreed to beforehand? If so, have I got some jobs for you ....


I understand your point about not negotiating, but I'm surprised by your words "If a lady tells me a price...." If? Are you also saying that you sometimes do the deed without agreeing to price in advance? That would seem reckless to me.

Him: "Here is your 1000 baht."
Her: "My price is 3000 baht."
Him: "Usual price in this area is 1000 baht."
Her: She storms out the room and says "I'll let you talk to my friend."

There is enough uncertainty in these transactions that I wouldn't want to add any more.Agree 100%. I once had a disagreement with someone I'd pulled several times before, everything working fine. However, when she cut LT to ST because her roommate didn't have the key to the room (translation: "hey, I've got a couple of fish on the line, you need to get back to the bar so we can both reel them in", I simply paid her my ST rate. She was NOT happy, and literally, NEVER spoke to me again in the bar. Fine; she was nice, but NOT THAT nice.


Girls quoting higher than 1000 is not an insult to you, or even dishonesty on the girl's part, it's just part of the game. ... What they initially quote is their best-case scenario, which only the very gullible will accept.Again, agreed; the ole cliche, "It never hurts to ask". I used to enjoy telling a girl it was my FIRST time in-country, I'd just arrived that morning. She'd quote an OTT price, I'd hesitate, then sprinkle in the conversation some hints that perhaps I wasn't a newbie. Fun to watch the realization dawning. Like you said elsewhere, it's all part of the game. I never took it as an insult, and neither did she (the general she).


Next to me was an US guy who was negotiating with a girl. She was very young and pretty, but her English was very poor. He wanted her to go with him but she didn't look very happy.
Then he negotiated with the Mamasan. First he bid 2,000 then 2,500 then 3,000. The girl didn't want. Then he left.
20 minutes later she was sitting outside the bar with me and we were playing four in the row. An hour later she left with me. I wasn't talking about money. Not with the girl and not with the Mamasan.
Now my question:
Why did she go with me without knowing what I was giving her?
The Answer:
In most cases, your behavior is more important than the size of your wallet. But many of you are running around Pattaya like at a cattle market. The American negotiated with the Mamasan as if she were a cattle. The girl realized that.
I don't know how many LT I had from the beer bars. Maybe a few hundred. But I've never, never, ever talked about money in a bar. Not with the girls and not with the Mamasan. Never. Pattaya is not like a *****house in Europe.Myself, I've NEVER discussed price with a mamasan or a controlling agent. It's always direct, and it's always done casually. Even have some fun with it. With all due respect, sitting in a bar, playing 4 in row is NOT my idea of a good time. Chatting with a girl, joking with a girl, working through language barriers is a good time. Maybe you can do that over a game, my work was solving puzzles and when I'm off work, I'm not into puzzles, games, etc. I agree that your behavior, showing respect, having fun is all important. It's a business, but like any business, there are some customers you enjoy working with, and others that are a PITA. Who can blame anyone for avoiding the PITA's?


So true Sir Lancelot. It is not a negotiation when a diner ask his waiter in a restaurant how much the special of the day is. He is ascertaining what the price of a meal is before he decides to order it. Likewise, it is very important to establish what the price is for a girl's service before you agree to it unless you don't care what the price is. But we know this is not the position of the OP. He really cares what the price is, and he thinks he has found a way to always pay what he wants to pay regardless of what the girl wants for her services.Brilliant analogy.


What our OP is suggesting is the wrong way of picking up girls and it will eventually lead him to some very unpleasant outcomes. Even if he gets away with it most of the time, he will earn a bad reputation with all the girls at the bars where he practices this sort of behavior and burning your bridges at every bar you frequent is never a good idea or proper way to monger.You are so right, girls exchange info. As I mentioned before, my decent offer to a girl, because a compatriot had told her I had paid her that for ST, not LT, she thought I was being disrespectful by offering her that for LT. I explained that THAT girl had turned LT into ST and I had paid in advance (lesson #3's tagline disregarded to my regret). She eventually believed me, and accepted, but it was a LOT of unnecessary work. You do get known, either as a player or a mark, and how much you pay. In one location, my nickname with the FL's was how much I paid. My experience, anyway.

[Explorer8939]

If you are in Pattaya long time, negotiating the details of performance is not necessary. If the lady underperforms, you just don't hire her again, and forget about her. So, maybe 1 or 2 out of 10 are worthless in the room.

Likewise, I never tell the lady what to do. It is entirely up to her. This approach doesn't work so well in High Season, when every lady is getting fucked every day by customers, but normally, the ladies like a little Farang sex when business is slow.

[Pulse0101]

The sandal wearing guys who walk in packs of 4-7 and sit and the gogos sharing one bottled water call the shots? Hmmm. Well glad there is still LK Metro.I'd like to help you guys understand the 'Indian' guys better.

At mods. Please do move this post to a more relevant section if you think irrelevant.

So, we all know the behavior by many of the Indian guys that make us all cringe. There are three things that come together to make the typical Indian dude you see do what he does.

1) Exposure: None of these guys have been exposed to the niceties of life as we possibly have. This includes proper social behavior, etiquette, courtesy, being chivalrous, etc. They just don't know what is expected of them and so do what they would do normally at home. Most of these guys are from the lower middle economic class and the only way they will learn is by experience. I have seen similar (of varying degrees) behavior with the Chinese, Mexicans, Africans, or even the Balkans.

2) Experience: This is likely the first trip overseas for the bulk of these guys. For some, possibly their first flight! They don't understand different cuisines, find it hard to adapt quickly, and resort to falling back on what they know. Which is the reason why you'll find them eating Indian food, sticking to their groups, following the beaten path set either by their one friend who has visited Thailand earlier, or one of the many Indian YouTubers who break things down for them. They just don't have the confidence because of their lack of experience.

3) Economy: Indians have had it tough for many decades before the economic boom that started in 1991. Many of these folks have just about saved enough money for this Thailand trip and need to get the best bang for their buck. They would rather have some money left at the end of this trip for shopping / girls than blow their budget on Day 2! They are budget travelers, which is the reason why they would be sharing rooms, food, etc.

The biggest reason for their bad behavior with the girls is that they haven't interacted with many women romantically. The bar culture prevalent across the world hasn't picked up in India (yet). There are exceptions but in principle, their romantic escapades have been limited to crushes in school / college and maybe an office romance (though I suspect that the bulk of the visitors from India are from a business background).

Now, none of these are excuses for them and this post isn't intended to be that. I am Indian myself and cringe seeing Indian tourists anywhere in the world! But I also understand and appreciate that I have been lucky over the years getting opportunities to have lived overseas, and travel / monger in over 50 countries. I have had my share of learning but I haven't faced discrimination anywhere in the world. Scratch that. There were a couple Nana Gogos that I wasn't let into. LOL.

My recommendation to you is to ignore the buggers, let them learn from their own mistakes and become better versions of what they were. While we get back to the more important topic of girls in Pattaya / Thailand.

Cheers / Pulse.

[Werqweq]

When it comes to the hottest girls, you can always eventually pay them enough to fuck them.

But you can never pay them enough to give you an organic, fully engaged, great time.

That part of the deal, of a session, if it comes at all, comes for free.

It's they who decide to give it, or withhold it, based on how they perceive you, like you, feel about you, etc.

To highlight that, a this week true story.

In Phuket I've been slowly chasing, interacting more like, with a "for me", irresistible cutie for probably six months now.

I'd see her, chat openly, buy her drinks, tip her, have sensual fun, but never sealed the deal to take her home.

She always made more than enough between salary, lady drinks and tips, to rarely need or want to go with customers.

She told me also, that for a price she would, and that that price was high.

It was clearly higher than I was wanting to pay as a local, and not a one week millionaire tourist.

...

As said above, that night she was the one that crossed over the line, she chose me, and I had the windfall of that.

At a price point a few hours later, one that had never been discussed, which was low end and totally acceptable to me.Somehow I suspect that your "windfall" would sum to negative if you include all the drinks and tips you wasted on her over 6 months.

Someone else would just have paid the amount she wanted, which in total is probably less than your total, and fucked her 6 months ago.

[Mr Enternational]

Going to rent a scooter now (oh boy prices are quoting around 400+) and finish the sight seeing with my wingman and drop him off before heading to soi 6.Yes prices are up for high season. Usually they are 150 per day. Most places would not even bargain, but I managed to find one place on Second Road Soi 12 and rented one for my dad for 2800 10 days. Then he would not even ride the thing, so I ended up letting a buddy that just moved to Pattaya use it. I think I had it 8 days then we took it back The lady let my buddy keep it the next 2 days that I had already paid for. She just gave my 1000 deposit back and got the deposit from him.

[CaliGuy33]

Sorry Sir, you do not get private tables in a lounge kind of setting with sofa and private service in 2. 5 k THB with those kind of clubs like Jannat.

I know it is very high as I would not have done it if alone but got tagged along. Couldn't say no to my European colleagues..LOL what a waste of money. Even if the portion you chipped in was let's say 5,000 baht, that's 5 STs you could have had instead of sitting in a loud club 'partying' for a few hours.

[Mr Enternational]

Somehow I suspect that your "windfall" would sum to negative if you include all the drinks and tips you wasted on her over 6 months.

Someone else would just have paid the amount she wanted, which in total is probably less than your total, and fucked her 6 months ago.Same thing I was thinking. She did not choose him. He shelled out so much money after so much time. She finally got tired and gave in. I would never "chase" (or court) a person that I have to pay. Either you want the 1000 baht or you don't. Step to the next one.

[MartinFlevo]

Walking Street is Agogos.

I was there a few months ago when Thailand was pushing hard for Indians. For the life of me Pinups and every other Agogo was not teeming with Indian s,. Hencely hence how could they be calling the shots. Several cases they weren't even allowed inside. Hahaha.I did not say indians. I said indians / arabs / asians. And trust me. Koreans as an example are paying 10 K in a gogobar without blinking. Learn to read.

[Mr Enternational]

However, when she cut LT to ST because her roommate didn't have the key to the room (translation: "hey, I've got a couple of fish on the line, you need to get back to the bar so we can both reel them in", I simply paid her my ST rate.Why do mongers believe this to be the case. Too many times chicks have told me about the key and I have taken them to let the roommate in. Even last month I went to pick up one of my normal chicks for breakfast. She lives in Pattaya Resort. She said that her roommate had not been home in 2 days. I said how do you know. She said because I have the key and she can not get in without me. I always get mad and say why don't you guys make a fucking extra key to make things easier. Usually their answer is that they are too lazy to do it. But you have enough energy to run back and forth everytime someone wants to get in?

[Explorer8939]

Someone earlier mentioned the Key Trick. Here's how it works: you agree on LT with a lady. After an initial boom-boom, she announces that her roommate needs to get in her room, but doesn't have a key, so she has to leave. She expects her LT money.

The solution: be very understanding, but tell her you will pay her LT rate after she returns from her key duties. You will wait for her.

Either she goes away, and you have had a freebie or she changes her story into she just wants to go. So you pay ST and let her go.

[11Bravo]

Why do mongers believe this to be the case. Too many times chicks have told me about the key and I have taken them to let the roommate in. Even last month I went to pick up one of my normal chicks for breakfast. She lives in Pattaya Resort. She said that her roommate had not been home in 2 days. I said how do you know. She said because I have the key and she can not get in without me. I always get mad and say why don't you guys make a fucking extra key to make things easier. Usually their answer is that they are too lazy to do it. But you have enough energy to run back and forth everytime someone wants to get in?First to admit, I'm a skeptic. Have had a number of memorable pleasant experiences where I was proved wrong.

But in this case, the smoking gun was: I told her we could go back to her place, deliver the keys, return to continue. No, her friend was still at the bar (I knew that already from the background sounds in the call). Fine, bar closer, we could go there to deliver the keys, then return. No, friend was afraid to go home alone (hey, I'll play, keep digging). No problem, go to the bar, all leave from the bar, take her home, then return to continue. That's when her train ran out of track. Declined. Rather obvious. I really DON'T think she was concerned with my discomfort, just a simple business decision, a chance at a double header.

The issue was that she was mad that I paid MY ST rate, NOT HER'S. The benefit of having an agreement before leaving the bar; clear when agreement changed, no misunderstanding. If she accepted my LT rate, she accepts my ST rate when SHE changes the contract. The shame was, when she orgasmed, her whole body flushed, and you can't fake that (or maybe she was just allergic to me, who's to say).

The "lost keys", the more traditional "room too cold", etc. ... Why? Just tell the truth, you want to leave for whatever reason. I'm not a warden, free to go. I always appreciated honesty, even if, regardless, there might be repercussions. The lies I find insulting, my ego in not that easily bruised. YMMV.

[Tom Thumbbs]

I did not say indians. I said indians / arabs / asians. And trust me. Koreans as an example are paying 10 K in a gogobar without blinking. Learn to read.Indians, Arabs are in a group of their own. No offense.

[Xiggo]

Can someone tell me more about LK Metro?

Like prices? Is it better then walking street? Service better?

And before someone says, "use the search function".

1. Go try it yourself. The search function is the worst.

2. I can not google LK metro. I am currently in a porn free country which limits my search results. Vpn does not always work.

[EihTooms]

First to admit, I'm a skeptic. Have had a number of memorable pleasant experiences where I was proved wrong.

But in this case, the smoking gun was: I told her we could go back to her place, deliver the keys, return to continue. No, her friend was still at the bar (I knew that already from the background sounds in the call). Fine, bar closer, we could go there to deliver the keys, then return. No, friend was afraid to go home alone (hey, I'll play, keep digging). No problem, go to the bar, all leave from the bar, take her home, then return to continue. That's when her train ran out of track. Declined. Rather obvious. I really DON'T think she was concerned with my discomfort, just a simple business decision, a chance at a double header.

The issue was that she was mad that I paid MY ST rate, NOT HER'S. The benefit of having an agreement before leaving the bar; clear when agreement changed, no misunderstanding. If she accepted my LT rate, she accepts my ST rate when SHE changes the contract. The shame was, when she orgasmed, her whole body flushed, and you can't fake that (or maybe she was just allergic to me, who's to say).

The "lost keys", the more traditional "room too cold", etc. ... Why? Just tell the truth, you want to leave for whatever reason. I'm not a warden, free to go. I always appreciated honesty, even if, regardless, there might be repercussions. The lies I find insulting, my ego in not that easily bruised. YMMV.Your probing and, for the fun of it perhaps, trying to find a way to solve that "lost key" problem is a great example of Thai girls' talent for conjuring up what I refer to as a "Steel Trap Plot Point", worthy of the best Hitchcock scenarios. Although I think it is usually a lost or only one security key card that is either too expensive to duplicate or the landlord only allows one per room, not just an ordinary key that can be duplicated for 30 baht.

There is no solution to her problem that wouldn't benefit her and penalize you if you were to have paid up the full agreed upon LT amount, right? LOL. You offer a logical solution. Nope, won't work because whatever. So you offer a solution to that new problem. Nope, won't work because whatever. And on it goes. There is no escape, no way out. A Steel Trap plot point. Brilliant.

Thai girls are geniuses at writing that stuff. Covid test results, stock, kept or borrowed photos of those little kits with the two bands, etc have added new narrative twists and turns to the "lost key" plot points for their scenarios.

And the beauty of it is none of those Steel Trap Plot Points are the girl's fault. She can not be blamed. She can not be responsible for you paying a full LT amount but only getting a ST. That is a critical element in Thai culture. It is never their fault. That's why they can't just tell the truth.

Yes, the only way to cut through that steel trap is to do what you did; pay what is fair and accept the fact that now YOU will be blamed for the shocking final act of this Hitchcock movie. Pass the popcorn, please. LOL.

[MartinFlevo]

Why? Just tell the truth, you want to leave for whatever reason. I'm not a warden, free to go. I always appreciated honesty, even if, regardless, there might be repercussions. The lies I find insulting, my ego in not that easily bruised. YMMV.TiT and you forget one important thing for Thai. LOSE FACE. So maybe she didn't like you or whatever. Forgot something. Its all about WHITE LIES for them.

For us its frustrating so yeah.

[Explorer8939]

Many ladies try to bail on LT by 1 or 2 am. They try to get their LT money at that time, because the karaoke bars open then, and they want to hit their favorite bar with cash in their pocket.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Somehow I suspect that your "windfall" would sum to negative if you include all the drinks and tips you wasted on her over 6 months.

Someone else would just have paid the amount she wanted, which in total is probably less than your total, and fucked her 6 months ago.You don't get it werqweq.

I fuck often and wherever I want, when I want.

There is always a lady available at a price.

But hollow unengaged fucks are just sticks in holes.

They're just relief.

I truly love and enjoy the feeling of giving chase.

Of valuing someone above the money, and reaping the rewards of that.

Unless you live here you will likely never understand that.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Same thing I was thinking. She did not choose him. He shelled out so much money after so much time. She finally got tired and gave in. I would never "chase" (or court) a person that I have to pay. Either you want the 1000 baht or you don't. Step to the next one.She never gave in Mr E.

There is much more to it that what I would write on here.

She did choose me, she had chosen me a lot earlier.

But she wasn't willing to act on it.

But, having read your forum posts and views on here often enough.

I know that you and I are not cut from the same cloth.

So we will never agree or see eye to eye on this.

Have a nice 2023 punting.

[Banana Boi]

Many ladies try to bail on LT by 1 or 2 am. Can you name the bars these ladies work at? Maybe it has a lot to do with the guy who takes them?

In over 7 years I have NEVER had a girl try to leave a LT session at 1 or 2 am and this includes Kinnaree girls that I take LT when the bar closes at 5 pm. I have had a Sensations gogo girl who I took at 8 pm ask me at 2 am while we were at Hollywood if I was doing ST or LT. Imagine if I would have said ST!

[Rocko20]

Many ladies try to bail on LT by 1 or 2 am. They try to get their LT money at that time, because the karaoke bars open then, and they want to hit their favorite bar with cash in their pocket.I've never had any LT negotiated lady (bar girl nor freelancer) bail on me at 1 or 2 am. Payment comes afterwards, in the morning, when I've been in Thailand. One shouldnt even be doing an LT with a WG unless they already know and can trust the woman from previous STs.

LTs are a big risk with WGs you havent seen before for a ST. They might start eating all the stuff in your fridge, cooking up some food for themselves, staring on their phone and ignore you all night, mess with the thermostat, complain about the thermostat, use up all the bath towels in your bathroom, wet up the entire bathroom floor in your bathroom, claim theyre too tired for the morning session, some want to sleep all day past 2pm when you couldve been at the gym, had breakfast, or called up another girl.

For me, the woman has to be proven with ST before I even consider LT.

[11Bravo]

Can someone tell me more about LK Metro?
And before someone says, "use the search function".
1. Go try it yourself. The search function is the worst.
UTFSE.

Why is it that some people complain about a tool when it's simply a case of not reading the instruction manual about how to use said tool. It's like someone complaining about a Porsche (you did say you were German) not going faster than 30 MPH when they haven't read the manual of how to release the emergency brake. I did try it myself and got 300 results in 12 pages in less than a second. Granted, the last result was in May 2020, but PLENTY of more recent results in between that and the 1st result, your post, and EVERY post has the keywords, LK Metro, highlighted. Pretty easy to parse even if your VPN doesn't work well and you're in a no-porn country (been there, done that).

In the spirit of the ole' cliche of "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for the rest of his life", the SOLUTION is easy: READ the tutorial here, in the ROD's (simply click on the below link):

HOW TO SEARCH TUTORIAL
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2009-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction&p=2762933&viewfull=1#post2762933

And having lived behind a country's no-porn firewall, you might try the Searching, at your leisure trick. A lot more clutter, but any browser or text editor will have a "find in page" tool. Firefox found 58 results in the 1st 1000 posts, from yours back to October 1, 2022.

Yes, the work requirement is on you, and maybe FR posters like Sir Lancelot, Stinky Squid, Lanthano and others will regurgitate their FR's, but it's a start while you wait.

Happy New Year. Eat well.

[11Bravo]

I've never had any LT negotiated lady (bar girl nor freelancer) bail on me at 1 or 2 am. Payment comes afterwards, in the morning, when I've been in Thailand. One shouldnt even be doing an LT with a WG unless they already know and can trust the woman from previous STs.

LTs are a big risk with WGs you havent seen before for a ST. They might start eating all the stuff in your fridge, cooking up some food for themselves, staring on their phone and ignore you all night, mess with the thermostat, complain about the thermostat, use up all the bath towels in your bathroom, wet up the entire bathroom floor in your bathroom, claim theyre too tired for the morning session, some want to sleep all day past 2pm when you couldve been at the gym, had breakfast, or called up another girl.

For me, the woman has to be proven with ST before I even consider LT.Myself, afternoon delights are ST; nights are, by definition, for LT, with the rare exception when she insists and I DO want to have her experience regardless. If she's worth pulling at night, then she's worth more than a couple of hours of entertainment. I know my limitations (that 2nd shot does take some time to chamber), and I'm too old to go out early morning and look for a double header. Maybe I'm an optimist and have faith, BUT I hedge the bet with a CLEAR time of departure AND pay AFTER BEFORE RTB with her.

As to all the other downsides you mention: visitors are welcome to what's in the fridge, I just might join them. If she starts cooking (bonus points), I just ask "for two please". First phone use gets a yellow card, 2nd gets a RED, with a "since you're so busy, here's your ST, goodbye" (I pay for undivided attention, I'm selfish that way). Towels, and bathroom floors dry. Besides, if I've DATY'd, what's the harm of sharing a towel? (DECADES of travel, I carry a "go to hell" hand towel, mainly to use when out hiking in a hot and humid climate, wrapped around my neck, but good for some of those places that don't have towels). For the too tired in morning, yes, I do pay LT, but remark on the missing menu item and mark her as a no repeat. Maybe things have changed, but repeat business used to be desired. Girls do share notes, and if you are around for any length of time, you will be known, as I've said, either as a player or a mark. It's not that I'm so much in control, I just don't get walked on either, and if she does walk, it's a ST salary.


Your probing and, for the fun of it perhaps, trying to find a way to solve that "lost key" problem is a great example of Thai girls' talent for conjuring up what I refer to as a "Steel Trap Plot Point", worthy of the best Hitchcock scenarios. Although I think it is usually a lost or only one security key card that is either too expensive to duplicate or the landlord only allows one per room, not just an ordinary key that can be duplicated for 30 baht.

There is no solution to her problem that wouldn't benefit her and penalize you if you were to have paid up the full agreed upon LT amount, right? LOL. You offer a logical solution. Nope, won't work because whatever. So you offer a solution to that new problem. Nope, won't work because whatever. And on it goes. There is no escape, no way out. A Steel Trap plot point. Brilliant.

Thai girls are geniuses at writing that stuff. Covid test results, stock, kept or borrowed photos of those little kits with the two bands, etc have added new narrative twists and turns to the "lost key" plot points for their scenarios.

And the beauty of it is none of those Steel Trap Plot Points are the girl's fault. She can not be blamed. She can not be responsible for you paying a full LT amount but only getting a ST. That is a critical element in Thai culture. It is never their fault. That's why they can't just tell the truth.

Yes, the only way to cut through that steel trap is to do what you did; pay what is fair and accept the fact that now YOU will be blamed for the shocking final act of this Hitchcock movie. Pass the popcorn, please. LOL.Great point, maybe they are missing a career in TV show writing. Painted into a corner, the heroine manages to escape unscathed, with the villain left empty handed, "curses, foiled again".

So that's why I always TRY try to remember my 3 rules: clear menu, clear departure time, clear price with a pay AFTER tag. After being lulled into a sense of complacency by so many successful pulls, I will forget some, even all, and probably get burned. But education, and re-education, is expensive, and it's only the loss of 1 night.

[Explorer8939]

Can you name the bars these ladies work at? Maybe it has a lot to do with the guy who takes them?

In over 7 years I have NEVER had a girl try to leave a LT session at 1 or 2 am and this includes Kinnaree girls that I take LT when the bar closes at 5 pm. I have had a Sensations gogo girl who I took at 8 pm ask me at 2 am while we were at Hollywood if I was doing ST or LT. Imagine if I would have said ST!Below your posts are many other posts about ladies doing the Key Trick to squirm out of a LT at 1 am. You are very lucky that you haven't run into this scam.

If you are hit with the Key Trick, just explain that you will pay the lady after she returns from letting her roommate into their shared room.

[HorseTrader]

And the beauty of it is none of those Steel Trap Plot Points are the girl's fault. She can not be blamed. She can not be responsible for you paying a full LT amount but only getting a ST. That is a critical element in Thai culture. It is never their fault. That's why they can't just tell the truth.I'll admit that I'm not a LT kind of punter, my only overnight visitors since 2020 have been girlfriends. I usually want P4P girls to shower and leave about 3 minutes after I go soft.

I ask without experience, if the LT girl wants to leave for unavoidable BS reasons, why not just say "Sure, you can come back in an hour and I'll pay you in the morning." Of course they won't want to come back, but it would be a good reason to give them a greatly reduced ST rate. You probably don't want them after they pull a stunt like that.

On a side note, many of my late night ST girls want to stay all night long. Perhaps it is my nice hotel room and buffet breakfast compared to whatever shithole they normally stay. Is that a common experience with other punters or is it because of my good looks and charm?

[Mr Enternational]

And the beauty of it is none of those Steel Trap Plot Points are the girl's fault. She can not be blamed.A buddy that has been going to Thailand since the 60's and has lived there permanently since the 80's told me that he was in a car accident with a lady in a Mercedes. It was obvious that it was her fault. But she explained to the policeman that it was clearly my buddy's fault because if he had not been in Thailand then the accident would not have happened.

[Tom Thumbbs]

Girls wanting to leave early. Most likely scenario is they never wanted to be with you from the get go. Money money money.

Wake up guys. We are not that Desireable. Haha.

Not Rocket Science.

[Tom Thumbbs]

Every buddy's favorite topic pricing.

Name might be wrong JJ bar in Buakhao. Filipino cover band, very decent.

Not a Sex pick up place. More just drinking with a live band.

Kris Travels Livestream. Kris ask average looking staff how much for Dhortime? She say 4,000. Chat went Nuts, laughing hooting and hollering. No way in San Jose,. 1,500 more appropriate. 2,000 for her mates, one was quite attractive.

Let's give prop s to Mr E. They are asking but are they getting 4,000. I'm thinking no way in San colasitos.

[HunchBack74]

I'd like to help you guys understand the 'Indian' guys better.

At mods. Please do move this post to a more relevant section if you think irrelevant.

So, we all know the behavior by many of the Indian guys that make us all cringe. There are three things that come together to make the typical Indian dude you see do what he does.

1) Exposure: None of these guys have been exposed to the niceties of life as we possibly have. This includes proper social behavior, etiquette, courtesy, being chivalrous, etc. They just don't know what is expected of them and so do what they would do normally at home. Most of these guys are from the lower middle economic class and the only way they will learn is by experience. I have seen similar (of varying degrees) behavior with the Chinese, Mexicans, Africans, or even the Balkans.

2) Experience: This is likely the first trip overseas for the bulk of these guys. For some, possibly their first flight! They don't understand different cuisines, find it hard to adapt quickly, and resort to falling back on what they know. Which is the reason why you'll find them eating Indian food, sticking to their groups, following the beaten path set either by their one friend who has visited Thailand earlier, or one of the many Indian YouTubers who break things down for them. They just don't have the confidence because of their lack of experience.

3) Economy: Indians have had it tough for many decades before the economic boom that started in 1991. Many of these folks have just about saved enough money for this Thailand trip and need to get the best bang for their buck. They would rather have some money left at the end of this trip for shopping / girls than blow their budget on Day 2! They are budget travelers, which is the reason why they would be sharing rooms, food, etc.

The biggest reason for their bad behavior with the girls is that they haven't interacted with many women romantically. The bar culture prevalent across the world hasn't picked up in India (yet). There are exceptions but in principle, their romantic escapades have been limited to crushes in school / college and maybe an office romance (though I suspect that the bulk of the visitors from India are from a business background).

Now, none of these are excuses for them and this post isn't intended to be that. I am Indian myself and cringe seeing Indian tourists anywhere in the world! But I also understand and appreciate that I have been lucky over the years getting opportunities to have lived overseas, and travel / monger in over 50 countries. I have had my share of learning but I haven't faced discrimination anywhere in the world. Scratch that. There were a couple Nana Gogos that I wasn't let into. LOL.

My recommendation to you is to ignore the buggers, let them learn from their own mistakes and become better versions of what they were. While we get back to the more important topic of girls in Pattaya / Thailand.

Cheers / Pulse.I think you make a lot of valid points here. It's my second visit to Pattaya in 6 months and I see a fair few changes. I am a 50 year old British Asian (not Indian) but as we all seem to be lumped together unfortunately, but I also know enough to appreciate there are Indians and then there are INDIANS. The ones who I see, cringe, and generally avoid. The hand holding, sandal wearing, loud, moustachioed, pack animals with the social graces and manners of a water buffalo.

However saying that, I do have some sympathy for them, as I don't think there is any nastiness in them and it's just general ignorance on their part and on the flip side of the coin, some better contact and socialisation and less negativity by the locals and other visitors towards them will make a difference. I think given time this will happen organically.

I always stay in the LK Metro area (generally Areca Lodge), and there seem to be an increasingly clear demarcation of territory now in Pattaya. At the end of Walking Street, there is a bit of an Indian 'ghetto' with lots of indian clubs, restaurants, with this area more westerners / western Asians, with the twain never to meet.

During my time in the Bangkok bar hopping scene, I certainly did not experience any negativity from the girls, bar owners etc. In some instances 'Indian's' were commented upon in a positive way that they were increasingly rich and free spending. In one particular bar in Soi Nana, I saw an Indian chap throwing stacks of money onto the stage (twat). I find however, if you dress smart casually, greet the door men and the girls with a confident smile and hands pressed together with a greeting in Thai, it goes a long way. Its not difficult really. Just treat the girls with respect. There has been times in bars where the girls have refused me at the first instance, and I just said thank you and walked away with a smile, and next time I visited, I managed to get them. Again after just a smile and friendly chat. A lot can be achieved when you park your insecurities and egos at the door and don't take things personally.

I had absolutely no issue in getting girls from Thai Friendly or in the bars in Bangkok (thermae was a bit hit and miss, but there seems to be a preference there for the east asians), but again I think the girls are starting to know the difference and can distinguish better in general with greater exposure.

Thai Friendly in Pattaya this time seemed a lot more difficult with the normal Isan girls, but I did better with higher end, better educated, well spoken and travelled type of women (a university student or 2 and a varied 27- 32 year old mix), although I did pay a bit of a premium of around 2. 5 - 5 k for ST. I know cheaper can be had, but this is a reflection of the quality.

But again, considering what was up on offer in places like honey 2 etc. When the 3700 k 'models', I would say it was pretty good value in comparison. As for the girls in the bars in Pattaya, the quality seems far less than 6 months ago, a lot more older women and again not particularly attractive.

Anyway, just 2 more days left here, but will be spending that bumming my 26 year laotian FWB, who has developed a penchant for it. But I think fresher hunting grounds next time, seeking new adventure as its getting a bit stale. Perhaps Jakarta again when the new cohabitation laws fail.

Enjoy Pattaya!

[Gargamon]

Whatever happened to Lolita's? Is there an equivalant establishment now?

Thanks.

[EihTooms]

I'll admit that I'm not a LT kind of punter, my only overnight visitors since 2020 have been girlfriends. I usually want P4P girls to shower and leave about 3 minutes after I go soft.

I ask without experience, if the LT girl wants to leave for unavoidable BS reasons, why not just say "Sure, you can come back in an hour and I'll pay you in the morning." Of course they won't want to come back, but it would be a good reason to give them a greatly reduced ST rate. You probably don't want them after they pull a stunt like that.

On a side note, many of my late night ST girls want to stay all night long. Perhaps it is my nice hotel room and buffet breakfast compared to whatever shithole they normally stay. Is that a common experience with other punters or is it because of my good looks and charm?For me, the instant I hear a LT-agreed upon girl utter one of the usual lost key, one key, roommate at the bar is drunk, sick, crazy and needs her to take her home, the moon crashed into her apartment blah blah blah bits, I am already reaching for the doorknob to help her on her way. No "Come back later if you want" or "I'll pay you when you return" stuff for me. I'm not keeping one ear open all night for the call even on the 1 in 1,000 chance she will do it. Bye.

It doesn't happen that often. But when it does I cut the agreed upon LT fee in half and hand it to her or place it on the table next to her purse without discussion. Maybe I will make it 60% of what we agreed on for LT to include the taxi fare I probably would have given her anyway if the session was sweet. I don't recall a girl ever confronting me about it, sticking her hand out for the rest of the LT fee in such a case.

A girl converting a LT agreement into a ST is of very little concern to me. In fact, the LT part is the least important element in my negotiation. I just throw it in there to give the girl something to reject and give her a "win" on a negotiation point I don't care all that much about. After Shaved or Closely Trimmed Pussy, DFK, BBBJ and BBFS+CIP, LT rates a distant 5th place in importance to me.

On the pattern of so many of your late night ST girls choosing to stay overnight, in addition to your nice hotel room, buffet breakfast, good looks and charm, which I am sure are plenty of reasons for it already, it might also have something to do with where you are pulling them from and how late.

Is it a FL from the street or a club at 1 am?

I rarely have a ST girl choose to stay overnight, but I also rarely pull girls off the street or out of a club after 10 pm. I have certainly had many of those 10 pm FLs say "up to you" upfront on the issue of ST vs LT.

But most of my sessions are 1) with online FLs where the ST vs LT part has already been set, usually LT, and aren't going to be late anyway or 2) go-go girls I have pulled at or before 10 pm. On the latter, very few go-go girls who go to my apartment for ST at 10 pm are going to choose to stay to sleep in when their bar closes at 2 am or 3 am. It has happened. But very rarely.

My apartment is nice and comfy, but not in a 4-Star Hotel, the only on site buffet breakfast I can offer is a fried egg and a donut and apparently my looks and charm are nowhere near impressive enough to get many go-go ST girls to shrug off going back to their bar at 11:45 pm and continuing to cuddle with me all night instead for no extra dough. LOL.

[Explorer8939]

Whatever happened to Lolita's? Is there an equivalant establishment now?

Thanks.Lolita's on Soi Chaiyapoon is gone.

If you want equivalent service, just go to any closed bar. Plenty on Soi Lenghee and Chaiyapoon.

[Explorer8939]

Girls wanting to leave early. Most likely scenario is they never wanted to be with you from the get go. Money money money.

Wake up guys. We are not that Desireable. Haha.

Not Rocket Science.You forget the flip side, the ladies who come to my condo who don't want to leave. Particularly irksome if I have another lady coming soon.

[CaliGuy33]

For me, the instant I hear a LT-agreed upon girl utter one of the usual lost key, one key, roommate at the bar is drunk, sick, crazy and needs her to take her home, the moon crashed into her apartment blah blah blah bits, I am already reaching for the doorknob to help her on her way. No "Come back later if you want" or "I'll pay you when you return" stuff for me. I'm not keeping one ear open all night for the call even on the 1 in 1,000 chance she will do it. Bye.

It doesn't happen that often. But when it does I cut the agreed upon LT fee in half and hand it to her or place it on the table next to her purse without discussion. Maybe I will make it 60% of what we agreed on for LT to include the taxi fare I probably would have given her anyway if the session was sweet. I don't recall a girl ever confronting me about it, sticking her hand out for the rest of the LT fee in such a case.

A girl converting a LT agreement into a ST is of very little concern to me. In fact, the LT part is the least important element in my negotiation. I just throw it in there to give the girl something to reject and give her a "win" on a negotiation point I don't care all that much about. After Shaved or Closely Trimmed Pussy, DFK, BBBJ and BBFS+CIP, LT rates a distant 5th place in importance to me.

On the pattern of so many of your late night ST girls choosing to stay overnight, in addition to your nice hotel room, buffet breakfast, good looks and charm, which I am sure are plenty of reasons for it already, it might also have something to do with where you are pulling them from and how late.

Is it a FL from the street or a club at 1 am?

I rarely have a ST girl choose to stay overnight, but I also rarely pull girls off the street or out of a club after 10 pm. I have certainly had many of those 10 pm FLs say "up to you" upfront on the issue of ST vs LT.

But most of my sessions are 1) with online FLs where the ST vs LT part has already been set, usually LT, and aren't going to be late anyway or 2) go-go girls I have pulled at or before 10 pm. On the latter, very few go-go girls who go to my apartment for ST at 10 pm are going to choose to stay to sleep in when their bar closes at 2 am or 3 am. It has happened. But very rarely.

My apartment is nice and comfy, but not in a 4-Star Hotel, the only on site buffet breakfast I can offer is a fried egg and a donut and apparently my looks and charm are nowhere near impressive enough to get many go-go ST girls to shrug off going back to their bar at 11:45 pm and continuing to cuddle with me all night instead for no extra dough. LOL.I mostly ST off TF and found that around half of them tend to want to linger around well past the ST time. There's nothing special about me other than I am very chill, laid back and respectful. So I think they see someone they'the like to get into an LT or permanent ST arrangement. Funny thing is, I've never done LT and I've only repeated twice hehe.

[Tom Thumbbs]

For me, the instant I hear a LT-agreed upon girl utter one of the usual lost key, one key, roommate at the bar is drunk, sick, crazy and needs her to take her home, the moon crashed into her apartment blah blah blah bits, I am already reaching for the doorknob to help her on her way. No "Come back later if you want" or "I'll pay you when you return" stuff for me. I'm not keeping one ear open all night for the call even on the 1 in 1,000 chance she will do it. Bye.

It doesn't happen that often. But when it does I cut the agreed upon LT fee in half and hand it to her or place it on the table next to her purse without discussion. Maybe I will make it 60% of what we agreed on for LT to include the taxi fare I probably would have given her anyway if the session was sweet. I don't recall a girl ever confronting me about it, sticking her hand out for the rest of the LT fee in such a case.

A girl converting a LT agreement into a ST is of very little concern to me. In fact, the LT part is the least important element in my negotiation. I just throw it in there to give the girl something to reject and give her a "win" on a negotiation point I don't care all that much about. After Shaved or Closely Trimmed Pussy, DFK, BBBJ and BBFS+CIP, LT rates a distant 5th place in importance to me.

On the pattern of so many of your late night ST girls choosing to stay overnight, in addition to your nice hotel room, buffet breakfast, good looks and charm, which I am sure are plenty of reasons for it already, it might also have something to do with where you are pulling them from and how late.

Is it a FL from the street or a club at 1 am?

I rarely have a ST girl choose to stay overnight, but I also rarely pull girls off the street or out of a club after 10 pm. I have certainly had many of those 10 pm FLs say "up to you" upfront on the issue of ST vs LT.

But most of my sessions are 1) with online FLs where the ST vs LT part has already been set, usually LT, and aren't going to be late anyway or 2) go-go girls I have pulled at or before 10 pm. On the latter, very few go-go girls who go to my apartment for ST at 10 pm are going to choose to stay to sleep in when their bar closes at 2 am or 3 am. It has happened. But very rarely.

My apartment is nice and comfy, but not in a 4-Star Hotel, the only on site buffet breakfast I can offer is a fried egg and a donut and apparently my looks and charm are nowhere near impressive enough to get many go-go ST girls to shrug off going back to their bar at 11:45 pm and continuing to cuddle with me all night instead for no extra dough. LOL.Rumor has it some guys get their apartment cleaned and laundry done before they leave. LOL.

[Tom Thumbbs]

You forget the flip side, the ladies who come to my condo who don't want to leave. Particularly irksome if I have another lady coming soon.Your Ladies tend to be older more mature. I doubt they have customers chomping at the bit to be with them. No offense.

[11Bravo]

A buddy that has been going to Thailand since the 60's and has lived there permanently since the 80's told me that he was in a car accident with a lady in a Mercedes. It was obvious that it was her fault. But she explained to the policeman that it was clearly my buddy's fault because if he had not been in Thailand then the accident would not have happened.Ah, the Saudi defense ....

[MadDin19]

I'm really amazed at the long discussion about LT with lost keys and such.

I've never had an LT want to go sooner. On the contrary, many wanted to spend the rest of my vacation with me. Or at least they wanted me to come back.

No girl wants to be fucked by a different guy every day. If she leaves earlier then it usually has something to do with sympathy.

[Mr Enternational]

I'm really amazed at the long discussion about LT with lost keys and such.

I've never had an LT want to go sooner. On the contrary, many wanted to spend the rest of my vacation with me. Or at least they wanted me to come back.I am too. I do not know why my and the people I roll with experiences are consistently so much different from other people on this board. I am really surprised that mileage varies that much. I am not doing anything special and also evidently I am paying less than most others.


What is the difference between LT and ST. It doesn't matter if she leaves before I fall asleep or after I wake up. Morning action doesn't exist anymore anyway. Those times are long gone in Thailand. But I never liked that anyway, before breakfast.You just lost me with that one. The times I like to fuck are after 10 at night and when I wake up in the morning. Plus I like sleeping next to a chick. Maybe you are saying for you and your wood morning action does not exist anymore. Because I have never had a problem with that in Thailand.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

A buddy that has been going to Thailand since the 60's and has lived there permanently since the 80's told me that he was in a car accident with a lady in a Mercedes. It was obvious that it was her fault. But she explained to the policeman that it was clearly my buddy's fault because if he had not been in Thailand then the accident would not have happened.That is very often a Thai view of things, and one the police also play on tourist drivers all the time.

The only defense, is a quality, working aka recording, front and back recording camera, and good car insurance.

Then just sit back and wait for your Thai insurance assessor to arrive and work it through with the police and his opposing insurance assessor.

I have never had a problem with this when it has not been my fault.

Often the assessor and the police have also been able to locate and show almost immediately, police road CCTV camera views as well.

When the other party is Thai and not insured it equally works well when I am in the right over the accident.

My Thai insurance agent will work it out with the police finding an acceptable position where the uninsured is not out of pocket unduly.

Without it costing me out of pocket money I may add, directly that is, as I am sure it ends up factored into premiums.

[HorseTrader]

Is it a FL from the street or a club at 1 am?

I rarely have a ST girl choose to stay overnight, but I also rarely pull girls off the street or out of a club after 10 pm. I have certainly had many of those 10 pm FLs say "up to you" upfront on the issue of ST vs LT.
Most girls who want to turn ST into LT with no mention of money have been from non-gogo bars or were street freelancers. While this is the Pattaya thread, my related experiences have mostly been in Bangkok, Krabi, Samui, and Phuket.

I can only remember this happening once with a top flight Nana Plaza girl and she said she needed to return to her club to check with mama before she came back to me to spend the night. I declined so I have no idea what that was about.

[EihTooms]

Girls wanting to leave early. Most likely scenario is they never wanted to be with you from the get go. Money money money.

Wake up guys. We are not that Desireable. Haha.

Not Rocket Science.If a Thai girl doesn't want to be with someone or do anything at all she simply says No from the get go. I have certainly had No said to me often enough. Whatever BS excuse they give for it is immaterial.

If the girl did not want to go to your room she would not be in your room. Period.

Much more likely scenario on that LT conversion to ST bit is she had no intention of staying LT from the beginning but sensed that it was an important factor for the customer and said Yes to it upfront just to close the deal because she wanted him as her customer. Then, worst case scenario for her when she remembers that "lost key" problem and must dash off after 1-2 hours is that she gets half the LT rate but at least got a ST amount out a customer who might have walked away if she had said No to LT.

Best case scenario for her is the customer is so grateful to have had sex with her and / or too shy to reduce the agreed upon amount that he gives her the full LT rate anyway. Which is probably what happens most of the time.

Either way she is further ahead than she was when she approached him or he approached her earlier.

Also, on that "she just doesn't want to be with you" bit but mysteriously can't come up with an absolute no escape excuse to simply say No, I don't think quoting a high rate like 4,000 baht makes sense. What if he says "Ok. Let's go"? I know a bunch of crusty old farangs, supposedly pathetic undesirables like me, who would not hesitate much to pay 4,000 for a particular Sweet Young Thing they want to fuck. And I'm sure those SYTs have met them too, probably gone with many of them.

Again, I have never met a Thai girl too shy to say No and Absolutely No to something she didn't want to do. Then again, maybe the vast majority of girls I negotiate with have enough other generous offers and options to say No to whatever doesn't please them. Don't know.

BTW, could it also be in at least some of those LT conversion to ST cases that the girl is popular and in damand enough to have tons of takers and Line message requests for a second or third 2,500 baht ST in a given night rather than settle for one 2,500-3,500 baht LT?

And maybe the ones who just stay put for the night aren't getting any other better offers or any other offers at all.

Just sayin'.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

I'm really amazed at the long discussion about LT with lost keys and such.

I've never had an LT want to go sooner. On the contrary, many wanted to spend the rest of my vacation with me. Or at least they wanted me to come back.

No girl wants to be fucked by a different guy every day. If she leaves earlier then it usually has something to do with sympathy.You must be young and handsum, or very free in your spending.

I rarely had a bar girl, especially a gogo girl, in Pattaya that didn't play the LT into ST game after 2-3 hours, or very early morning.

Generally it occurred post first or second sex, before sleeping, but equally as common was to be woken up at 6-7 am finding her dressed.

Then to be asked hor her money so she could go, a plethora of reasons available heard over the years.

My best response, learned over time, was not to argue, instead to deflect and get even.

Turning it into an impromptu sex session right then, right there, even with her often still semi dressed.

I tended to class it as leave early revenge sex.

Rarely did I ever get knocked back, most times the girl even got right into it.

Another upside to it is that often if the night time sex had by her demand been protected, this session became more natural, organic.

With many, many a girl leaving unshowered, a slowly leaking creampie as a memory.

Where the girl was playing a game, and rejected, departure sex, I often just said calmly that LT was in my expectations multipop.

And if that hadn't occurred I offered a discounted rate of pay, always something between ST and our previously agreed LT rate.

Negotiations often followed, histrionics sometimes, and if it descended there, I just put her money on the table and asked her to leave.

Even picking up the phone to call, and calling hotel reception.

I learnt to never be scared to involve the hotel, as they have seen it all before.

If you are in an OK to good hotel, then they will be on your side, as you are paying the bills.

And the girls know that, the very last thing they want to be is blacklisted by hotels for entry.

One last thing, and a word of caution, I never pay the girl upfront on arrival in the room for LT.

If they demand it, I generally cut my losses and ask them to leave, especially with gogo girls.

If they give genuine, believable reasons for asking, and generally only with clearly inexperienced girls fearful of being played.

I will give them the equivalent of the ST rate for them, say 60%, saying the rest later, and even promising a tip if we have had a great time.

[Tomasb]

Right, just give the appropriate amount of taxi fare for a round trip from your place to their shared room.


Below your posts are many other posts about ladies doing the Key Trick to squirm out of a LT at 1 am. You are very lucky that you haven't run into this scam.

If you are hit with the Key Trick, just explain that you will pay the lady after she returns from letting her roommate into their shared room.

[11Bravo]

I'm really amazed at the long discussion about LT with lost keys and such.
I've never had an LT want to go sooner. On the contrary, many wanted to spend the rest of my vacation with me. Or at least they wanted me to come back.
No girl wants to be fucked by a different guy every day. If she leaves earlier then it usually has something to do with sympathy.It doesn't happen often, well, only once / girl, but no, it's an infrequent occurrence, but it's also non-zero. MY experience, financial. She hopes for the LT pay, but accepts the reality of ST pay. It's just simple math, 2ST's > 1 LT, or, even better, 1ST+1 LT> 1 LT. If it's a good business night, and you're not a regular (sometimes even if you are), it's just business. AND, it seems these days with the emphasis of the bars on bar fines, lady drinks, returning for a good chance at another ST with included bar fine, more lady drinks, adds to her weight with the bar along with more cash for her. All depends on how mercenary she is.

But I also agree that there are intangibles in play: regular business can count a bit more than a-one-of, she knows the quality / quantity of the punter, the risk / safety factor has been ascertained, and there is the comfort factor. It might be business, but sanook comes into play.

But, for me, a clear menu definition, time of departure, and price / pay after serves to solve all discrepancies. YMMV.

[Explorer8939]

I'm really amazed at the long discussion about LT with lost keys and such.

I've never had an LT want to go sooner. On the contrary, many wanted to spend the rest of my vacation with me. Or at least they wanted me to come back.

No girl wants to be fucked by a different guy every day. If she leaves earlier then it usually has something to do with sympathy.Don't worry, it will happen to you.

Many reasons why bargirls want to leave early:

Some regularly go to sleep at 7 am, so when they boom boom you at midnight, they know if they don't leave at midnight, they are in for long sleepless hours.

Or, their boyfriend is waiting for them in the room.

Or, their friends are waiting to go out to the boy bars at 2 am.

Or, their bar is closing soon, and they can go collect drink money.

[Tom Thumbbs]

Some think Thailand is peaches and cream. It's not.

2 clown vloggers sit on Walking Street smoking weed and drinking Alcohol with Thais and an old Farang.

5 am. Lady all of a sudden in Crying. Apparently got beaten up by a Thai Man. Don't even know if she was part of group or not. Other Thais did nothing but console her after the fact.

Vlogger did not catch the beating but did show Lady crying. Chat went wild hooting and hollering get the Camera off her. He did.

The two Clown decided to end up leaving. Few minutes later they meet 2 Guptas and not sure what happened. Streams are long but entertaining as Fkkkkkk.

[Mr Enternational]

That is very often a Thai view of things, and one the police also play on tourist drivers all the time.

The only defense, is a quality, working aka recording, front and back recording camera, and good car insurance.Except the dashcam did another buddy no good. The police just laughed and told him to keep it as a souvenir.

[Mr Enternational]

Again, I have never met a Thai girl too shy to say No and Absolutely No to something she didn't want to do.Me either. If I am walking down Soi 6 and a chick is bothering me that I do not want to be bothered by, I just tell them that I am looking for a girl that like to fuck ass. They will say no in a heartbeat and point me to a girl in the bar that does. They won't say yes then go to the room and change it to no. That is Dominican shit.

[XXL]

Except the dashcam did another buddy no good. The police just laughed and told him to keep it as a souvenir.Reminds me when an expat friend of mine in Thailand went to the police with the dashcam recording after a truck badly scratched the side of his car. The police wouldn't want to have anything to do with his case. But my friend tracked down the firm to whom the truck belonged and went to have a word with the manager. The manager recognised his staff was at fault and readily accepted liability for the damage.