Pattaya Reports

[SuperLove]

Yeah that's also possible, its risky. But if I do have to take her to another short term hotel its the same as banging another girl from a club. Idea is to be with the hotel staff there. I'll indulge in it only if she gives the green signal. When you out money on the table for a 3 min quickie all agree.


I have done it Philippines. In Philippines the girl who cleans the room is normally a trainee. It is part of her education. I enquired if I can take her to dinner and she gave me her phone number. But the problem is cannot have fun in my room. Needed to go to a short time hotel. But the following visit she stayed with me for a few days in a different hotel.

So you can have fun with hotel employees. But not in that hotel room. It is also risky. They will loose their jobs if caught. God forbid if you get caught she might complain that she is forced to have sex with you which can land you in big trouble. Better to be safe. With wall to wall girls available otherwise why take a risk.

[Goferring]

I have done it Philippines. In Philippines the girl who cleans the room is normally a trainee. It is part of her education. I enquired if I can take her to dinner and she gave me her phone number. But the problem is cannot have fun in my room. Needed to go to a short time hotel. But the following visit she stayed with me for a few days in a different hotel.

So you can have fun with hotel employees. But not in that hotel room. It is also risky. They will loose their jobs if caught. God forbid if you get caught she might complain that she is forced to have sex with you which can land you in big trouble. Better to be safe. With wall to wall girls available otherwise why take a risk.It's a good suggestion to target trainees. Anyone senior or long term will have friends everywhere and will not want to be seen with a horny grandpa.

I tried once with someone from corporate marketing. She was hot to trot but finding another hotel / Airbnb where she didn't have friends working or would be noticed was a logistical nightmare.

I'd agree that banging a girl onsite is technically possible but a great risk to her job or the guy if she needs an excuse.

Enjoy. G.

[Nixonbd]

Yeah that's also possible, its risky. But if I do have to take her to another short term hotel its the same as banging another girl from a club. Idea is to be with the hotel staff there. I'll indulge in it only if she gives the green signal. When you out money on the table for a 3 min quickie all agree.I'd be weighing the potential quagmire of a cleaning girl getting caught and threatened with losing her job and her claiming that you forced her to have sex in the very room she was cleaning. Unless you want to risk time in a Thai jail, you're better off getting a short-time girl and have her wear a maid uniform to fulfill your fantasy.

[Mr Enternational]

I'd be weighing the potential quagmire of a cleaning girl getting caught and threatened with losing her job and her claiming that you forced her to have sex in the very room she was cleaning.Besides that, most places these days the workers have to leave the door open when they enter a room.

[BionicMan]

I'd be weighing the potential quagmire of a cleaning girl getting caught and threatened with losing her job and her claiming that you forced her to have sex in the very room she was cleaning. Unless you want to risk time in a Thai jail, you're better off getting a short-time girl and have her wear a maid uniform to fulfill your fantasy.You are pretty much right.

I think we all remember the story of that too financial guru (was he the head of IMF or something like that?) he was threatened by the maid for a BJ in his hotel.

Room (most likely he was guilty as charged).

[Ben Birdwell]

https://tfmi.wtf/I believe you'll need to be an advanced member with pattaya addicts to be able to read the reviews on tmfi.

[MikeNm]

Today I decided to venture off the beaten path. Inspite of so many trips to Pattaya I had never really explored anything outside Beach Rd, Walking Street, Central Pattaya etc, all walking distance from my hotels. Last time I was here in Feb we did venture out once to Camel Toe but the traffic was so horrendous and it was so hard to just get a taxi we gave up on any more exploration. Sept is a different beast, the town is not that crowded and traffic is manageable. So today I checked out Catflaps and Venom, two GC in Pratumnak. Its about a 10 min taxi (100 B) or motorbike (50 B) ride from the LK Empress.

I have to say I spent almost 3 hours at Catflaps and had an awesome time. First, you have to understand, you arent going to find a lot of skinny 20 year olds in GCs like this. But if you are happy with mid to late 20's curvy MILFs, the value you get is amazing. LD are 150 B and for that you get 20 min or so of attention including DFK, Boob access, pussy access, dick rubbing, teaser BJ, nipple licking etc etc. I bought drinks for 3 girls and was drowning in tongues, boobs and pussy. I ended up taking one of the girls (the best kisser) up for a romp. Total cost 1400 for the drinks and play time (almost 2 hours worth), 400 for the room, 1000 for the girl, 500 tip for the girl for BBFSCIP. So USD 100 or so for 2+ solid hours of constant entertainment with 2-3 girls, culminating in a pretty good fuck. Its the most fun I have had in a bar in a very long time (ca 2010 AC type of fun).

That left me drained but since I was in the neighborhood I decided to check out Venom which is down by the beach area. Nothing much to write about. Small bar, pool table, few girls. Only 2 customers in the bar. Bought a drink, played with some titties but very mild compared to Catflaps.ExPat, does all that happen right in the open in the club, or do they take you to a dark corner?

Do they start the fun right away or does it start after 2nd drink, etc? Very excited for my first trip to Pattaya next Feb!

[Explorer8939]

ExPat, does all that happen right in the open in the club, or do they take you to a dark corner?

Do they start the fun right away or does it start after 2nd drink, etc? Very excited for my first trip to Pattaya next Feb!Catflaps doesn't really have any corners, dark or otherwise. Even the corners are wide open.

The ladies are less frisky in Catflaps than other GCs because of the open areas.

[Expat American]

ExPat, does all that happen right in the open in the club, or do they take you to a dark corner?

Do they start the fun right away or does it start after 2nd drink, etc? Very excited for my first trip to Pattaya next Feb!Everything but the sex of course. For that you got to pay extra for a room upstairs and the girls fee. The rest happens with drinks on the couches. Buy a couple of tequila shots and the tops come off. It was go from drink one for me at least. Its a friendly place.

[Expat American]

Catflaps doesn't really have any corners, dark or otherwise. Even the corners are wide open.

The ladies are less frisky in Catflaps than other GCs because of the open areas.Sorry, but my experience was totally different. Catflaps girls were more frisky than Maggie May, Camel Toe and other clubs. Maybe I just chose well. Maybe its because the manager remembered me from my last visit in Feb and greeted me at the door and gave that signal to the girls. Maybe you smell bad. I don't know. Also Catflaps has curtained areas as well. So your info is quite inaccurate.

[Explorer8939]

Sorry, but my experience was totally different. Catflaps girls were more frisky than Maggie May, Camel Toe and other clubs. Maybe I just chose well. Maybe its because the manager remembered me from my last visit in Feb and greeted me at the door and gave that signal to the girls. Maybe you smell bad. I don't know. Also Catflaps has curtained areas as well. So your info is quite inaccurate.Yes, Catflaps has curtains, although I have only seen them used once.

Let's just say that the sample size of my observations is pretty large.

I have been to Maggie Mays when the entire female staff has been naked, including 3 cashiers.

[CaliGuy33]

I'm back in Pattaya after a two week hiatus travelling other parts of the country.

Pattaya is like a drug, you could be at a clear water white sand beach in the south of Thailand but still have Pattaya on your mind, it just has everything to offer.

Planning to check out some GCs before leaving Pattaya in the next week.

I went to Excite Club. The ladies as expected were older, heavier and average looking. The venue itself sucks as well. Nonetheless, I was there and in the mood for a juicy arse to smash in doggie. Found one to my liking. Face below average, body below average but had that think, jiggly post baby arse. I didn't kiss the lady, didn't fondle her, just put her straight into doggie and blew her back out for a half hour, she stayed prone in doggie the whole time without a complaint, took it like a champ.

1,000 for her, 300 for room, drinks were around 200 total. So around 1,500 total. I got what I wanted but a definite no repeat.

Was still in the mood for a thick lady. Fired up TF. My message read "1,000 tbh ST, if can meet now send Line ID". A darker skinned Isaan lady in her mid 20's replied. Pics were cute and she was at my place within a half hour. In person matched the pics. Nice bouncy natural tits, lovely dark toned skin and a nice arse. Blew her back out and had a lovely session that included stuffing my whole thumb in her arse in doggie eventhough she was adamant about no anal, I guess fingers are okay LOL. 1,000 bht to her and sent her on her way.

I might add, she was on her phone texting after the deed while laying in my arms and a lady friend of hers texted her a pic of a wad of USD, guessing bragging about how much money she has made. Just a gentle reminder to myself and mongers to stay unattached emotionally to these ladies and to remember we are just money in their view, nothing more nothing less.

[Frankypanky]

Today I decided to venture off the beaten path. Inspite of so many trips to Pattaya I had never really explored anything outside Beach Rd, Walking Street, Central Pattaya etc, all walking distance from my hotels. Last time I was here in Feb we did venture out once to Camel Toe but the traffic was so horrendous and it was so hard to just get a taxi we gave up on any more exploration. Sept is a different beast, the town is not that crowded and traffic is manageable. So today I checked out Catflaps and Venom, two GC in Pratumnak. Its about a 10 min taxi (100 B) or motorbike (50 B) ride from the LK Empress.

I have to say I spent almost 3 hours at Catflaps and had an awesome time. First, you have to understand, you arent going to find a lot of skinny 20 year olds in GCs like this. But if you are happy with mid to late 20's curvy MILFs, the value you get is amazing. LD are 150 B and for that you get 20 min or so of attention including DFK, Boob access, pussy access, dick rubbing, teaser BJ, nipple licking etc etc. I bought drinks for 3 girls and was drowning in tongues, boobs and pussy. I ended up taking one of the girls (the best kisser) up for a romp. Total cost 1400 for the drinks and play time (almost 2 hours worth), 400 for the room, 1000 for the girl, 500 tip for the girl for BBFSCIP. So USD 100 or so for 2+ solid hours of constant entertainment with 2-3 girls, culminating in a pretty good fuck. Its the most fun I have had in a bar in a very long time (ca 2010 AC type of fun).

That left me drained but since I was in the neighborhood I decided to check out Venom which is down by the beach area. Nothing much to write about. Small bar, pool table, few girls. Only 2 customers in the bar. Bought a drink, played with some titties but very mild compared to Catflaps.Thank you for your post! It sounds amazing. I never went to a GC in the 20 years I have visited Thailand. I mostly do BR, some gogo's and massage salons (Exactly what's is the difference between GC or a BJ bar (and Agogo's)?

[Banana Boi]

I mostly do BR, some gogo's and massage salons (Exactly what's is the difference between GC or a BJ bar (and Agogo's)?There is really no difference between a GC and BJ bar any more in Pattaya. In 2019 owners decided to market their BJ bars as GC's since it pretends to make them more upscale for tourists. Before the definition blur a GC was always a larger club and there was always a pool in the club. A BJ bar was really a small indoor beer bar where there is public sex right at the bar. GC were usually but not always cleaner and you would see housekeepers changing the sheets between sessions. A BJ bar puts a towel over the sheets for sessions the same as Soi 6. Newbies to Pattaya call everything a GC. OG's know the difference.

Gogo bar. The big difference to most ALWAYS comes down to money. 1300 in a GC vs 5000 gogo bar for ST. Drinks in a GC are almost half the price too. It's tough sledding to find a hot girl in a GC, BR, and Soi 6. On a good stretch they are in abundance at the better gogo bars.

[SuperLove]

Nice report bro, I concur and relate to the facts. Thats the case with 99.9999 % girls all over the world, if you pay them don't get emotionally involved otherwise you are on for a sad ride. Fuck! Pay! Leave! & repeat. I am a doggie lover myself. Ill just add: Love Spanking in front of a mirror. Keep banging that shittt.


I'm back in Pattaya after a two week hiatus travelling other parts of the country.

Pattaya is like a drug, you could be at a clear water white sand beach in the south of Thailand but still have Pattaya on your mind, it just has everything to offer.

Planning to check out some GCs before leaving Pattaya in the next week.

I went to Excite Club. The ladies as expected were older, heavier and average looking. The venue itself sucks as well. Nonetheless, I was there and in the mood for a juicy arse to smash in doggie. Found one to my liking. Face below average, body below average but had that think, jiggly post baby arse. I didn't kiss the lady, didn't fondle her, just put her straight into doggie and blew her back out for a half hour, she stayed prone in doggie the whole time without a complaint, took it like a champ.

1,000 for her, 300 for room, drinks were around 200 total. So around 1,500 total. I got what I wanted but a definite no repeat.

Was still in the mood for a thick lady. Fired up TF. My message read "1,000 tbh ST, if can meet now send Line ID". A darker skinned Isaan lady in her mid 20's replied. Pics were cute and she was at my place within a half hour. In person matched the pics. Nice bouncy natural tits, lovely dark toned skin and a nice arse. Blew her back out and had a lovely session that included stuffing my whole thumb in her arse in doggie eventhough she was adamant about no anal, I guess fingers are okay LOL. 1,000 bht to her and sent her on her way.

I might add, she was on her phone texting after the deed while laying in my arms and a lady friend of hers texted her a pic of a wad of USD, guessing bragging about how much money she has made. Just a gentle reminder to myself and mongers to stay unattached emotionally to these ladies and to remember we are just money in their view, nothing more nothing less.

[Aust66]

Pattaya has to be the cheapest and easiest place on earth. This is my 3rd trip to pattaya and I learned so much the first two trips that it saved me ton of money this time around.

First of all if you want to save shit load of money you need to cut the middle man that means no bars no gogos no clubs which is a very difficult thing to do for first timers because the FOMO. They want to go out and have "fun" and experience the nightlife but in my opinion there is absolutely no fun at all at the bars. The bars are there not to entertain you but to extract money from you for little to no return. If you really think objectively about all the shit the girls and bars owners do to the customers you will not step a foot in another bar again.

I rented an apartment to be able to have more than one guest a night and subscribed, TF and learned to entertain myself without drinking all day long.

The total I spent a day in pattaya having 3ST a day including the food, transportation and hotel is 7000 baht or $200 a day. The apartment is 2000 baht and the TF girls 1000-1500 baht most were 1000 but just to be fair I rounded the average to 1300.Hi Bro, could you give detail of the Appartment costs please, and may the address.

Thankyou.

[LocalExplorer]

https://tfmi.wtf/Yeah, I couldn't figure out how to get additional info on the Pattaya Addicts website. Can you guys help in decoding the hashtags? Judging by the tagged profiles, I'm pretty sure "#M" is massage, "#A+" is anal, "#LB" is ladyboy and "#PO" is post-op ladyboy. I found a post on reddit, which adds that " means the girl has something very specific which can be a big turn-on for some, and a turn-off for others, and associated with that is the hashtag "#RR" - read review, usually this means you have to really know some additional facts if you want to enjoy the experience.

But I still can't figure out "#FT", and "#3", although the latter I would guess are possibility of doing a threesome? And any additional tips on how to use the search page?

[Tvataham274]

Yeah, I couldn't figure out how to get additional info on the Pattaya Addicts website. Can you guys help in decoding the hashtags? Judging by the tagged profiles, I'm pretty sure "#M" is massage, "#A+" is anal, "#LB" is ladyboy and "#PO" is post-op ladyboy. I found a post on reddit, which adds that " means the girl has something very specific which can be a big turn-on for some, and a turn-off for others, and associated with that is the hashtag "#RR" - read review, usually this means you have to really know some additional facts if you want to enjoy the experience.

But I still can't figure out "#FT", and "#3", although the latter I would guess are possibility of doing a threesome? And any additional tips on how to use the search page?https://forum.pattaya-addicts.com/topic/322825-thaifriendly-master-index-post-profile-updates-here/page/38/#comment-4620627.

There is a user guide for tfmi on the site that links to this.

Though granted the link it takes you to requires you to have members access on pattaya addicts. Have some copy pasta, I don't think anyone will mind. Though advanced membership on pattaya addicts has a wealth of information, almost more than this site does. At least it's structured a little more fine grain there with multiple forums rather than just everything lumped into a few topics here.

Hashtag Girls.

This is a guide only and is by no means a guarantee that any of the girls will perform the act or are what the hashtag attributes to them.

"#A+ These girls have been confirmed with a review or anecdotally as being anal friendly".

#3 These girls have been confirmed with a review or there has been some anecdotal evidence that they are threesome friendly.

#+ These girls have been confirmed with a review or there has been some anecdotal evidence as offering special services. This may include Squirting S&M or other unusual skills.

#FT These girls have fake silicone tits. FT stands for Fake Tits.

#LB These girls have been confirmed with a review or there has been some anecdotal evidence that they are ladyboys. I also think it's a pretty safe bet they are #A+ 😉.

#PO These girls have been confirmed with a review or there has been some anecdotal evidence that they are Post Op Ladyboys.

#RR This "Read Review" recommendation is to read all the available reviews as they could contain some extraordinary information that would impact your decision to engage this girl.

#M These girls have been confirmed with a review or their TF profile as providing a massage service.

? Hashtag symbols that are followed by a question mark denote there has been a review or anecdotal evidence that at least one board member has been declined that Special Service.

All Hashtags are searchable entering # in the search bar on the TFMI. Wtf and then the appropriate symbol. If you want to see all profiles with fake tits, then enter #FT in the search box. You can also use the " operator to exclude a hashtag: Searching for!#FT will show you all profiles without those that have fake tits. ".

For those that are not aware it should be noted that the girls can be very fickle and withdrawal the Special Services they offer at any time. But quite often the offer of additional money can reinstate those services!

Social Media Profiles.

Line IDs and others (if available) These are on display in the Stats Box (See Below) to the right of the girls Yr Wt Ht stats. All of these have been made publicly available by the girl and we will not include IDs that have been posted on PA or where the girl has not given her consent.

The format for this is as shown below.

Profileid Line.

IG: profileid Instagram.

FB: name Facebook.

WA: phone number Whatsapp.

WC: phone number Wechat.

TW: profileid Twitter.

SC: profileid Snapchat.

SK: profileid Skype.

OF: profileid Onlyfans.

TT: profileid TikTok.

Noting that the Line ID does not have an identifying acronym and will always be displayed first where there are multiple profiles. We will add to these as the need arises.

[Werqweq]

There is really no difference between a GC and BJ bar any more in Pattaya. Awesome. Reading the reports of blowing a minimum of 20,000 at GCs like the PIMP in Bangkok, I never dared to set foot there as a solo guy, and have instead been slumming it in BJ-bars.

Next time I'll have to head to Pattaya so I too can experience the GCs. Don't tell me I'm missing something here please. ;-)

[Explorer8939]

ExPat, does all that happen right in the open in the club, or do they take you to a dark corner?

Do they start the fun right away or does it start after 2nd drink, etc? Very excited for my first trip to Pattaya next Feb!I went to Catflaps yesterday, and saw a naked lady. She emerged from a curtained booth to go to the toilet and back. Other than that, nothing.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

https://forum.pattaya-addicts.com/topic/322825-thaifriendly-master-index-post-profile-updates-here/page/38/#comment-4620627.

There is a user guide for tfmi on the site that links to this.

Though granted the link it takes you to requires you to have members access on pattaya addicts. Have some copy pasta, I don't think anyone will mind. Though advanced membership on pattaya addicts has a wealth of information, almost more than this site does. At least it's structured a little more fine grain there with multiple forums rather than just everything lumped into a few topics here.

Hashtag Girls.

This is a guide only and is by no means a guarantee that any of the girls will perform the act or are what the hashtag attributes to them.

"#A+ These girls have been confirmed with a review or anecdotally as being anal friendly".

#3 These girls have been confirmed with a review or there has been some anecdotal evidence that they are threesome friendly.

#+ These girls have been confirmed with a review or there has been some anecdotal evidence as offering special services. This may include Squirting S&M or other unusual skills.

#FT These girls have fake silicone tits. FT stands for Fake Tits.

#LB These girls have been confirmed with a review or there has been some anecdotal evidence that they are ladyboys. I also think it's a pretty safe bet they are #A+ 😉.

#PO These girls have been confirmed with a review or there has been some anecdotal evidence that they are Post Op Ladyboys.

#RR This "Read Review" recommendation is to read all the available reviews as they could contain some extraordinary information that would impact your decision to engage this girl.

#M These girls have been confirmed with a review or their TF profile as providing a massage service.

? Hashtag symbols that are followed by a question mark denote there has been a review or anecdotal evidence that at least one board member has been declined that Special Service.

All Hashtags are searchable entering # in the search bar on the TFMI. Wtf and then the appropriate symbol. If you want to see all profiles with fake tits, then enter #FT in the search box. You can also use the " operator to exclude a hashtag: Searching for!#FT will show you all profiles without those that have fake tits. ".

For those that are not aware it should be noted that the girls can be very fickle and withdrawal the Special Services they offer at any time. But quite often the offer of additional money can reinstate those services!

Social Media Profiles.

Line IDs and others (if available) These are on display in the Stats Box (See Below) to the right of the girls Yr Wt Ht stats. All of these have been made publicly available by the girl and we will not include IDs that have been posted on PA or where the girl has not given her consent.

The format for this is as shown below.

Profileid Line.

IG: profileid Instagram.

FB: name Facebook.

WA: phone number Whatsapp.

WC: phone number Wechat.

TW: profileid Twitter.

SC: profileid Snapchat.

SK: profileid Skype.

OF: profileid Onlyfans.

TT: profileid TikTok.

Noting that the Line ID does not have an identifying acronym and will always be displayed first where there are multiple profiles. We will add to these as the need arises.Elsewhere (Reddit), #3 was described as being a 3 holer.

Is Threesome correct from the definition hidden inside the advanced area of Pattaya Addicts?

[Banana Boi]

Reading the reports of blowing a minimum of 20,000 at GCs like the PIMP in BangkokYou know perfectly well I'm not referring to real GC's like PIMP in BKK. I'm referring to regular beer bars that Pattaya bar owners have dubbed to be a GC.

[Werqweq]

You know perfectly well I'm not referring to real GC's like PIMP in BKK. I'm referring to regular beer bars that Pattaya bar owners have dubbed to be a GC.Yes, of course. I guess my joke was not as funny as I thought.

[CaliGuy33]

Checked out this GC over on 3rd road. It opens at 10:00 AM, which for an early bird like me is nice.

Well, it's like the other GCs in Central Pattaya I've been to, all older, unattractive ladies. The service was no good and the ladies were just boring and uninterested. The customer service was atrocious, almost as if they didn't want you there, eventhough I was the only customer.

One of the ladies told me they only had 4 customers the day prior. I could see why given the unattractive and boring ladies.

Perhaps the GCs outside Central Pattaya are better, but the few I went to are horrendous, Soi Bongkot included.

I will have to checkout the Pratumnak / Jomtien GCs and report back.

On another note, happened upon a massage shop with an absolute beauty sitting outside .45 minutes later I was cumming in her mouth. There's just something different when a model looking chick as her lips around your johnson. I normally don't repeat, but I will have to see this lady again.

[RainMania]

Finally figured out a very probable reason why there has been a heavy Korean vlogger presence on / around Soi 6.

At least one of the bars on the Soi (panda bar) is Korean owned. They're trying to bring in the clientele they want (possibly by paying the vloggers for more exposure).

[Tvataham274]

Elsewhere (Reddit), #3 was described as being a 3 holer.

Is Threesome correct from the definition hidden inside the advanced area of Pattaya Addicts?Yea, I copied everything there from the thread on PA.

Only reason the thread is in a hidden section is because they also have a several-hundred page long thread of TF reviews. Most of the entries on the site are from the PA review section. Absolutely worth your time to get a membership there. It's free. Just post about and don't be rude.


Finally figured out a very probable reason why there has been a heavy Korean vlogger presence on / around Soi 6.

At least one of the bars on the Soi (panda bar) is Korean owned. They're trying to bring in the clientele they want (possibly by paying the vloggers for more exposure).And hopefully they don't inflate the prices and the girl's egos like on walking street. Though if prices stay the same, I see good things about having more of a 'variety' on soi 6. It would go nicely with the new (quiet!) GC that opened.

[ChrisCross123]

What is your opinion on attractiveness of girls in pattaya vs Bangkok?

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Yea, I copied everything there from the thread on PA.

Only reason the thread is in a hidden section is because they also have a several-hundred page long thread of TF reviews. Most of the entries on the site are from the PA review section. Absolutely worth your time to get a membership there. It's free. Just post about and don't be rude.

And hopefully they don't inflate the prices and the girl's egos like on walking street. Though if prices stay the same, I see good things about having more of a 'variety' on soi 6. It would go nicely with the new (quiet!) GC that opened.Thanks Tvataham for confirming the meanings.

Getting a membership is easy enough on PA, and I did.

I don't have enough interest to go through the 50 message hoo-ha to get access to the area where TFMI and reviews are hidden.

Is there a shortcut at all, like paying a subscription to get that level of access?

What and where is the GC on Soi 6?

Did I miss it when I was there last month?

[RainMania]

And hopefully they don't inflate the prices and the girl's egos like on walking street. Though if prices stay the same, I see good things about having more of a 'variety' on soi 6. It would go nicely with the new (quiet!) GC that opened.You might want to visit and see the state of things in walking street in angeles Philippines before being too hopeful.

[Raj Patela]

Yea, I copied everything there from the thread on PA.

Only reason the thread is in a hidden section is because they also have a several-hundred page long thread of TF reviews. Most of the entries on the site are from the PA review section. Absolutely worth your time to get a membership there. It's free. Just post about and don't be rude.

And hopefully they don't inflate the prices and the girl's egos like on walking street. Though if prices stay the same, I see good things about having more of a 'variety' on soi 6. It would go nicely with the new (quiet!) GC that opened.Here we go on pricing again. Specific to Soi 6. Buakhao. Beach Road.

Unless the attractiveness increases exponentially there will be no increase in Prices.

The Asians are not paying Plumply Short Dark Skin 2,000 baht.

The way thinfs are going, avg weight going up prices should be coming down. Hahahaha.

If the Baitoeys and Priews go Dribk only because Asians like their Company that's a different matter. One 2,000 barfine is 30 drinks-up to them. Hahaha.

[Paolo99]

Finally figured out a very probable reason why there has been a heavy Korean vlogger presence on / around Soi 6.

At least one of the bars on the Soi (panda bar) is Korean owned. They're trying to bring in the clientele they want (possibly by paying the vloggers for more exposure).I know only of two K-streamers doing the soi consistantly and never saw them stopping by Panda bar.

Why? Easy, Panda has only old or unattractive girls.

The only guy I've seen going there is the guy distributing candies to the fatties of the soi.

[SoberHans69]

Finally in Pattaya after 2 poor nights in Bangkok. Used Bell Travel bus and they have gone downhill a lot, used to be amazing value. Bus was supposed to leave for Pattaya at 2 so they told me to be ready for 1 which is fair enough. They picked me up at 1.05 and there was only one other passenger in the minivan.

We got to their depot at around 1.30 and they said please wait here for more passengers, again that's great.

Only one other passenger turned up and they then said we were ready to leave at 2, I thought straight to Pattaya but unfortunately not the case.

They then drove us to the airport to get more passengers and we didn't leave until 3 and I didn't get to my guesthouse until 5.

It's 450, which I was happy to pay if we were in fact going to Pattaya at 2 but wish I'd just paid the extra for a taxi now, lesson learned.

[Banana Boi]

What is your opinion on attractiveness of girls in pattaya vs Bangkok?Quick thoughts.

BKK better looking GC girls so make sure you go to the PIMP.
Pattaya better looking gogo girls and way too many LB's in BKK.
BKK Online girls. Pure quantity (not that I check out online sites other than what people show me).
BKK better looking FL's along Soi 4 than on Beach Road Pattaya (TBH I don't really check out either).
BKK better looking oily massage girls especially Soi 24. Pattaya only really has the ones at Diana and Buakhao in a small area where there are young girls.
BKK's secret weapon that Pattaya has nothing close to, Thermae.
Pattaya's real secret weapon that BKK has nothing close to, Soi 6. Best bang for the baht if you're not after high end gogo quality.
BKK civilian girls in the mall to pick up.

Since I'm a gogo bar guy I much prefer Pattaya. Most guys say gogos suck but that conclusion always comes down to money. I'd rather take the prettiest girl over saving a few 1000 baht. When you're back home those few 1000 baht are meaningless.


At least one of the bars on the Soi (panda bar) is Korean owned. They're trying to bring in the clientele they want (possibly by paying the vloggers for more exposure).

Can you show us a link to a YouTube Panda bar video?

From the quick scan of the videos guys post on here they go to the Soi 6 bars owned by Bryan Flowers. imo these vloggers hurt business much more than they promotes it. Guys won't go to the bars that have a live video vlog nightly.

I found these 2 videos neither shot by a Korean vlogger. Girls doing live streams. I'll never set foot in this bar even if they had pretty girls. Since we all have very different taste in what we consider pretty I'll let you guys decide if Panda Bar is worth a visit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8fASbqcf0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmdZTwpWIVc

[Tvataham274]

Thanks Tvataham for confirming the meanings.

Getting a membership is easy enough on PA, and I did.

I don't have enough interest to go through the 50 message hoo-ha to get access to the area where TFMI and reviews are hidden.

Is there a shortcut at all, like paying a subscription to get that level of access?

What and where is the GC on Soi 6?

Did I miss it when I was there last month?No, I don't think so. It's more to keep out people who shouldn't be seeing review and pictures of the girls though.

The name of the GC on 6 is Fired Up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj4vT5TYWZc.

[Banana Boi]

The name of the GC on 6 is Fired Up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj4vT5TYWZc.How are the girls? Asking cause it is located in the LB side / area of Soi 6. Is there a back door from 6/1?

[Mr Enternational]

How are the girls? Asking cause it is located in the LB side / area of Soi 6. Is there a back door from 6/1?I do not think that really exists anymore after covid. There are way less katoeys on Soi 6 or at least they are not concentrated like they were before. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[Tvataham274]

How are the girls? Asking cause it is located in the LB side / area of Soi 6. Is there a back door from 6/1?I thought 6/1 was the ladyboy side. I didn't know that there were LB bars at the top of soi 6. I didn't go into any of those. Although I hadn't visited any bars that were further down from Hollywood bar last time I was there.

Another video, looks like it might be right next to Hollywood as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8uuOEWQzYg.

Sorry, I don't got boots on the ground. Not until next year.

[Fmojo]

The name of the GC on 6 is Fired Up."FIRE" is the name of the bar and it is at the top of Soi 6 close to 2nd Road. "FIRED UP" is the name of their make-shift GC which is in the upstairs portion of the bar. From my understanding, "FIRED UP" is not an everyday thing (yet); it only operates a few nights a week and you must buy a ticket in advance to attend. I believe attendance is limited to 9 gents at a time right now and the ladies are offering much more personalized attention.

[Raj Patela]

Korean Pattaya Black struck againn last night.

What looks like 100 drinkies for 3 avg lookers on Soi 6.

[SoberHans69]

First night back in Pattaya last night, surprised how quiet it is.

Had a good session with a really cute girl at Toy Box on Soi 6, I didn't hear her name when she told me, sorry, but she asked for 2 k but immediately accepted 1. 5 k.

Anyone wants to hang out, PM me.

[Downandup]

"FIRE" is the name of the bar and it is at the top of Soi 6 close to 2nd Road. "FIRED UP" is the name of their make-shift GC which is in the upstairs portion of the bar. From my understanding, "FIRED UP" is not an everyday thing (yet); it only operates a few nights a week and you must buy a ticket in advance to attend. I believe attendance is limited to 9 gents at a time right now and the ladies are offering much more personalized attention.Fire is the name of the bar on the ground level and Fired Up is the gentlemen's club upstairs on the first floor.

Fired Up just opened a month ago and is evolving, the whole floor has been remodelled. It started as a Friday night event for three hours. Tickets are priced to include a starting rack of LD's for a girl and a drink for the customer. Then they started selling tickets for Saturdays and recently it's open daily before the bars get busy but Friday and Saturday are still ticket only days, I believe the price is 900 THB and I hear that it does get raunchy.

The owners plan is to get more staff to fill both venues as right now some girls start early at Fired Up and then when Soi 6 gets busy they move to the bar. They are looking for the kind of girls that work in Kink or other GC's and also regular bar girls to work where they are best suited.

I'm looking forward to trying it out.

[Paolo99]

Korean Pattaya Black struck againn last night.

What looks like 100 drinkies for 3 avg lookers on Soi 6.That's the only thing he is left with.

Now he does it more by friendship with the girls than anything else. He's been there for so long, too hard to find pretty newcomers so he finish up with the usual girls that are camera friendly.

Example: the girls from Butterfly or Aom One Stop, they are nowhere near pretties but he always flood them with tequila shots.

[Cusland]

Korean Pattaya Black struck againn last night.

What looks like 100 drinkies for 3 avg lookers on Soi 6.People are not sad enough to watch these YouTube fools? You even sound excited by it.

This is the crap that ruins soi 6. Do you think we want to be seen enjoying our hobby on camera.

[Nixonbd]

Korean Pattaya Black struck againn last night.

What looks like 100 drinkies for 3 avg lookers on Soi 6.So the latest vlogs from the "Candyman", he really only hits a couple bars now and buys drinks for the girls that his few followers want to see in his vlogs. His first videos were good because he was all over the Soi. Now it's 30 minutes of brace faced "Moon" begging for liquor shots. If a farang tried his tactics of filming inside the bar, security would drag the farang out the back door and be beaten to a pulp.

[Explorer8939]

Oops. A bargirl I know got sponsored by a Brit, so she went home, maybe 6 months ago.

Today, he realized the obvious: she only loves him for his money (he posted on his FB and tagged her).

Bottom line: in Thailand, if a lady loves a man, she gives *him* money, otherwise, he's just a customer. It doesn't matter if he is Thai or a foreigner, it doesn't matter if she is having babies with her, the money is how she shows her love for her man. If she is taking money, she doesn't love him (here, I am not counting money for household expenses, I am talking about salary).

The takeaway is never sponsor a lady. Period. Don't be an idiot.

[Raj Patela]

People are not sad enough to watch these YouTube fools? You even sound excited by it.

This is the crap that ruins soi 6. Do you think we want to be seen enjoying our hobby on camera.Spent less than a minute watching this. He pops up on my Feed every now and then.

If you think you are being seen by billions in India. Oh well. Unless you are InFamous I wouldn't worry about it.

[CaliGuy33]

Oops. A bargirl I know got sponsored by a Brit, so she went home, maybe 6 months ago.

Today, he realized the obvious: she only loves him for his money (he posted on his FB and tagged her).

Bottom line: in Thailand, if a lady loves a man, she gives *him* money, otherwise, he's just a customer. It doesn't matter if he is Thai or a foreigner, it doesn't matter if she is having babies with her, the money is how she shows her love for her man. If she is taking money, she doesn't love him (here, I am not counting money for household expenses, I am talking about salary).

The takeaway is never sponsor a lady. Period. Don't be an idiot.Once you have been in Pattaya long enough it kind of hardens you because you realize the obsession Thai women have with money, perhaps it's women in general, but it's clear with Thai women. The good thing about that realization though is you know the game and you play it accordingly. Money for boom boom and that's it.

I would say even worse than the remote sponsor (guy living and sending money from his country) is the guy who comes here and gets into a serious live in relationship with the first used up bar girl he meets. That is something you see play out on the regular and I find it baffling.

I have TF ladies I converse with, whom I have never met yet, blatantly ask me to send them money LOL. These ladies have no shame, treat them as such.

[Explorer8939]

October is a transitional month in Pattaya. It's still quiet, especially at the beginning of the month, and the ramp up of customers is imperceptable. So, this is the time when some marginal ladies give up and go home, and not so many new ladies arrive.

However, this is the month where more "special customers" arrive, the guys who barfined a lady last year, and are now coming back specifically to barfine her again (the famous "customer before".

The "Made in Thailand" complex is now open again, pretty much same as before it was torn down. It's right next to TreeTown, a massive complex of open bars.

Next month is when the numbers really ramp up, so October is a good time to come to Pattaya.

[Banana Boi]

The takeaway is never sponsor a lady. Period. Don't be an idiot.Why are you so fixated on Sponsors and bargirls? We've read it over and over from you. We get it! Don't give money to a bargirl unless it's to bang her. <waiting for your next sponsored bargirl post>.

I may have another HAMSTER coffin box story first though.


If a farang tried his tactics of filming inside the bar, security would drag the farang out the back door and be beaten to a pulp.

I have tons and tons of photos and video of girls and customers in Soi 6, gogo bars, beer bars, and G clubs. No owner or girl has ever said don't video to me. Some girls do turn away so I try not to video them. I usually let the girls video inside a gogo bar. A customer confronted me once thinking I was shooting him. Showed him the video and he was cool with it. It's fine to do it. It's not fine to post it on Social Media.

[Mr Enternational]

Why are you so fixated on Sponsors and bargirls? We've read it over and over from you. We get it! Don't give money to a bargirl unless it's to bang her. <waiting for your next sponsored bargirl post>.LOL. And husbands. And boyfriends. I was never worried about the normal chicks that I used to fuck boyfriends and husbands, but he is obsessed with those of the chicks he is paying.


I have tons and tons of photos and video of girls and customers in Soi 6, gogo bars, beer bars, and G clubs. No owner or girl has ever said don't video to me. I was about to ask where he got that info from. I don't know why guys act like these are supposed to be top-secret-squirrel places.

[Turgid]

Why are you so fixated on Sponsors and bargirls? We've read it over and over from you. We get it! Don't give money to a bargirl unless it's to bang her. <waiting for your next sponsored bargirl post>......In his post he mentioned that the girl who was sponsored by the Brit went home which means that she was unavailable for boots on the ground. Sending them money from abroad lessens the availability for farangs in Patts.

[ElMexicant]

230 baht lady drinks prices for ALL girls, (models, coyotes, hostesses) is pretty ridiculous at Palace. I remember when drinks were 150 for coyotes. Inflation did not go up 50%.

[OldSchool318]

Bottom line: in Thailand, if a lady loves a man, she gives *him* money, otherwise, he's just a customer. It doesn't matter if he is Thai or a foreigner, it doesn't matter if she is having babies with her, the money is how she shows her love for her man. If she is taking money, she doesn't love him (here, I am not counting money for household expenses, I am talking about salary).

In the good ol USA as well as Thailand, CR, Colombia, Europe, anywhere.

If the woman is truly into it, she will give and not think twice about it.

If she is not truly about it. She will ask for more and more and it will never be enough.

Come to think of it. The statement quoted may be the biggest understanding of the dynamic between men and women I have seen on this board. JMHO.

YMMV, lmfao, keepin it 100.

[StLouisMo2010]

I took the opportunity to return to Thailand this year for the month of August, I left just 30+ days ago. Over the years I have been to Thailand a number of times, so I have familiarity with the country and my last few trips have been predominantly to Pattaya.

I have read ISG for quite a while- finding it sometimes informative and a good guide from those on the ground most recently and from those living in Pattaya. Based on information gleaned from the many treads I have read, I have traveled as a Tourist who enjoys ladies, not a monger, it seems good.

Therefore, this Report may be helpful to Newbies, and it is also an update for future and experienced travelers. It is formatted as I did last year with some updates and new information.

August.. For a variety of reasons I traveled for the month of August, hoping that the raining season was either behind me or in front of me, I was really lucky, as the weather ranged from 6:00 am 27 see or 80 degrees F, to 5:00 pm 32 see or 90 F degrees- every day of the month. The sun being very intense in the afternoon.. And it rained for two hours one evening only, for the entire month. Humidity is high all the time in Thailand- take lots of showers.

It was very slow in Pattaya, not many tourists, Thai or Farang, much to the worry of the ladies, who said there were no customers. Of the visitors, Chinese and Indian were the most often seen, but predominately in Central Pattaya for the Indians and Na Jomtien for the Chinese- my observation, not many European Westerners, some Australian holiday makers and very few North Americans. There are also said to be quite a few Russians in Pattaya, which I encountered at the pool, mostly families, and did not encounter many in the entertainment areas.

There were plenty of ladies, but I did hear of some going to their home villages for visits and a few lucky ones going to visit sponsors in Europe and Japan.

The bars really showed the lack of customers but seemed to be filled with bored and lonely ladies waiting for something, someone, anything.

The Tourist reliant Thai people had a very hard time with the pandemic, many are still hungry, most lost all their savings if they had any, but there is still optimism about the future as they enter the rainy season and depend on the "high season" to recover and start the cycle all over again.

Some acquaintances ask why I return Thailand via that awful long, expensive airplane trip.. Well a few thoughts and reasons: in Thailand- no one cares what visitors look like; bald, overweight, pasty skin, beer belly ladened, old tattoos.. , the weather is generally good hot and sweaty, the food is good and cheap, ..no car is needed as taxi, bus and Baht Bus (10 Baht) can easily move you from one point to another, ... Accommodations are varied and inexpensive, There is quite a bit to do, but I do recommend establishing a routine for your day. Get into a routine- can't drink all the time- walk, swim, eat, keep up with paperwork, computer, world events, foot massage, afternoon session, tourist attractions which I will mention later, walks, People watching is a major thing to do, And language is easy to get by with English... And you probably will not see anyone you know from back home, I like these things and find Pattaya a great place to visit.

Non-Mongering Activities.

In establishing my own routine while in Pattaya, I researched a number of activities prior to arrival as well as while in Thailand. I found there is lots of Golf nearby which I did not take advantage of, there is little fishing in the area, you need to go to Udon Thani, or Hau Hin or other for pond fishing which is great but lots of logistics. In the past I have taken trips to Bangkok for several days for sightseeing which can be real good, but I have done that. So I concentrated on the Pattaya area.

As most of what I found was outside of the immediate Pattaya area I concluded that I would need transportation- I will not drive in Thailand thanks. So, I would need a car and driver- was my conclusion, how do I find?

I posted a message: "Car and Driver wanted" for local adventures with English speaking driver. I got a great response from a local guy who put me in contact with is "Driver" who happens to be a 48 year old lady, non P4 P who needs side 'gigs', is a Bolt Taxi driver, and speaks pretty good English- we clicked, she is a great, smart, kind, a lady who I would happily recommend- send me a private message if you want her contact information.

We put the following "adventures" together, and over a month had a good time, they kept me off the streets and were not a big expense.

• Sriracha Town, Ko Sichang Island and "Bangkok" Anchorage.

O Drive approximately 40 minutes to Sriracha Town a typical midsized non tourist Thai town – short drive around, then to ferry dock to Ko Schang Island, 40 minutes traveling through the Anchorage where nearly all cargo and tanker ships transit or are anchored. Tut Tut tour of Ko Schang Island with one beautiful Temple, nice beach where drinks and lunch were good. 9-5 with ferry schedules.

• Nong Nooch Botanical Gardens and Shows, Big Budda Mountain.

O Drive toward Sattahip about 30 minutes to a very professionally created landscape garden business which has been transformed into a Event Center, model dinosaur exhibit, car and truck exhibit, cultural show, elephant show, and dining are packaged together very well logistically all for large crowds- well done, good for one visit.

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• Mong Chang Cafe, Sanctuary of Truth, Bamboo Bay Beach Club.

O The small Elephant Village- Mong Chang Cafe was welcoming but created for the Chinese market, skip.

O Sanctuary of Truth is spectacular – look it up on the internet, a structure being built over 40 years all of wood telling mistic stories through wood carvings in this huge structure- well worth it and fairly close, facility Guides included.

O Bamboo Bay Beach Club in nearby NaKluea, good food, drinks, some music, beach umbrellas and chairs- a couple hours chilling along the beach- good if in the area.

• Bacco Beach Lunch in Na Jomtien, Ambassador Beach.

O Na Jomtien about 30-minute drive with traffic, gourmet style lunch, drinks, chilling a great beach with rentals, music and a variety of Thai and Western food, best with a companion.

• Elephant Jungle Sanctuary.

O Check out / book on their web site, same name, one of several locations in Thailand who are legitimate "rescue" organizations with about a dozen Elephants on the grounds, with staff interacting and educating guests about them, no show, no chains, but you can help wash them and throw mud around. Staff pick up at the condo, do the morning due to heat, cost includes a donation. No third party required.

• Picnic at Navy Beach (Sai Kaew Beach), Sattahip.

O About 40 minutes to the Navy town of Sattahip, we picked up BBQ chicken, salad and beer on the way, beautiful beach with rentals, food vendors, bathrooms, sand beach for swimming and sunning, and there was some shade also. I went on Thai Mother's Day by coincidence, I think I was the only Farang, but very welcome.

• Laern Chabang Port drive with seafood lunch.

O Driving toward Sriracha Town, the Port serving Bangkok with about 100 arrivals, 100 departures and 60 vessels in Port daily which are predominantly Container Ships holding up to 10,000 containers each. Driving around the commercial area is very busy, including a midsized refinery and several commercial 'seaport operations. ' Seaside restaurants, after 2:00 pm, in several scenic spots are available, nice fish and shrimp dining while watching ships coming and going. Real good for those who enjoy ships and maritime activity.

Money- is easy to calculate, easy to convert anywhere- change money at airport for the overall best rate- lowest level, exit 10- use elevators- signs for Train, but the overall difference from one Change Place to another is not that significant.

ATM machines are all over the place and easy to use but watch which ones you use, as some Thai Banks will put a "service charge" and a fee on their transactions, while others only impose a fee based on the amount purchased (220 fee /10,000 purchased) which can mean up to a 5% difference in their exchange rate so choose wisely if using ATMs- the color of the ATM machine identifies which Bank. And remember to say NO when prompted by the ATM to the rate the Bank offers, to avoid the additional service charge.

I like the Thai people, but those in Tourist areas don't smile as much as they should or as they are purported to, Land of Smiles. As elsewhere, some are good looking- many are plain, and hard-working individuals. Has the quality of ladies gone downhill over the years- I doubt it, but not all the ladies are great looking – it is a matter of prospective of who you are, what can you get where you live, how much will you pay to be with that individual- home or in Thailand.

I have personally found that there are ladies of all ages, sizes, shapes, and colors available. I found that the younger ladies have more silicone, more tattoos, more colored hair and make-up, and less sense, than more mature ladies.

Ladies can be found everywhere; I found the following:

Soi 6- the famous street of about 25 Brothels with similar business plans with lots of young low class, tattooed girls begging for customers from the front of the establishment closest to the street- this is not my style at all, so I just look.

LK Meto- an upcoming group of bars, clubs, Go Go's, massage shops, gentlemen's clubs, mostly Western customers, easy to be a customer, good vibe, some freelancers, service workers (associated with the establishment) are all available for rent, worth a visit.

Massage Shops- are located all over the area, many seem to have the same format, prices of menu items are posted, ladies vary from young to old. Some Extras seem to be available at many, discussed between the lady and customer. Having an "oily" massage can be a very enjoyable experience, akin to or in place of a Short Time visit.some with more intensity, at about the same overall cost (300 BT massage+ 1000 FS). I think next visit I will look at in-shop oily massages more seriously if I find ladies who are attractive sitting out front.. I am sure they will think I am a "handsome man".

Soapy Massage – I went one time; everybody should go once but maybe not here. There are several located in Central Pattaya which have the Fishbowl Style selection process, with a formatted routine in a room with a tub for a scrub, a tug, then FS, I think I was lucky from what I hear, I gave the floor manager 100 BT and he made a recommendation. Recollection that it was about 2500 BT. Marketed to Indians arriving in buses and vans.. Many smiles.

Tree Town- nearby grouping of upscale beer bars, seemed to be more service workers than customers but that may have been the time of night- may be more freelancers than elsewhere, worth a visit, this is an outdoor venue- so no A / see- that is why nice shorts, shoes, designer or golf type shirt is the nightly uniform throughout Pattaya.

Walking Street-about 90%+ of pre-covid experience, mostly Indian men with a representation of Westerners. Gogo's I went to only had Westerners, I spoke with the manager of one club who indicated that the Indian crowd does not spend well or at all, therefore they are not welcome, but there are numerous large Indian establishments which are jam packed.

Windmill Gogo- everything ever written is true about this Gogo, lots of girls, doing lots of things including naked shower, pussy dive, mostly all in good taste or taste good- the quality of the girls was high, however not as high as expected- Windmill did even have several "wide body girls" and some I would not be interested in, each to their own. Note draught beer- 80 Baht before 10:00 pm- not bad for the show which can be had just by going in the door, lady drinks 280 Baht I think (there is a sign posted on the wall).and now there is a second Windmill just across the way from the original.

Bamboo Bar near Walking street- open but not the same format of the past, it used to be the premiere location for finding a mature lady for the night- (hardly any business, could not find dancing here, few ladies).

Jomtien- Rhompo Complex- group of about 10 "beer bars" next to a car park which turns into a street food complex at night (very good). These bars seem to have some loyal customers (Aussie, European) low key, music, some singing, pool tables, more mature service staff and girls- good, relaxed atmosphere- bar fine was 300 Bt. Last I checked. Some Ladyboys mixed into the service staff not necessarily announced, so be aware.

Jomtien- Soi 3-9 Bars: multiple bars along these roads between Beach Road and Second Road, mixed within other businesses and small restaurants. Most have the same format of a few girls in the front near the street, encouraging customers to come in- to be entertained by the girls in conversation, to my knowledge all are available for bar fine, I expect at 300 with 1000-1200 Baht for the lady, most of the ladies are on the mature side of the spectrum. Beer cost of 65-70, Scotch about the same. A few ladyboys, but not many.

Jomtien- Thapphraya Rd (Soi O) (Second Road to Beach Road) this is the main road between Pattaya and the Beach in Jomtien. With about 20 bars and restaurants sometimes called restaurant row- several good bars with street view, service ladies to keep the drinks flowing- Country Road, Country Club, Escobar, Pool Bar, Sand Bar, to name a few which will have a variety of European customers, ladies, all with some music, live on occasion, lots of street food available. There is even a Gogo near the beach with a 'higher' end bar, worth a look but not to be compared to Walking Street. There are also approximately 10 restaurants mixed in along this route, various cuisine and price points, along with retail, and service shops.

Jomtien Complex- entry from this location, is an area nicely done of multiple massage (boy) shops, small bars, small, good restaurants, several hotels, a showroom, and multiple larger bars- all marketing to the Gay crowd- all very well done and in good taste- worth the walk thru. It has been my experience that the Gay crowd do not mix outside their crowd, have been cordial and highclass. No issues for me.

Gentlemen's Clubs- (Def: bars with closed fronts and a front door- some with security person at front) (Pattaya and Jomtien) there are probably at least a dozen++ of these which are primarily open 2-9 have ladies / freelancers and service workers, pool tables, some food, some have rooms, all that I heard or saw had 400 Bhat room fee, about 1000 BT girl fee all for onsite entertainment. Numerous in Soi Buakhao area, 3-4 in Jomtien, several in Pratamnak, others elsewhere with similar pricing I believe.

It has been remarked that some are very pushy by the ladies' others not. They may not be for everyone but worth a look, for some low-key entertainment- but some of these do get going with a lot of down and dirty as I understand- see what a Lady Drink will motivate 555.

Thai Friendly (internet website) - there are multiple ladies listed on Thai Friendly for which.

If a Lady has a "profile" (screen / listing) on Thai Friendly, I presume that they are Pay 4 Play, I would guess 90% are Pay 4 Play, if they are not, they will let you know quickly- don't be embarrassed or apologetic, just move on to the next.. It seems limitless.

I am a paid member and find it worth the investment and valued for the entertainment value alone. I monitored TF for a few ladies' prior to the trip and kept in touch with a select few prior to arrival. I tabulate the data I obtained and the candidates from TF and used some of it upon arrival.

The information retained from these profiles becomes dated very quickly- ladies come and go frequently, and ladies do not remember your messages on the whole, so over planning is not fruitful.

There are no guarantees of success, but some things I do: only look at pictures of smiling ladies, more attention to those who respond, "like or are interested in me", use the filter for age if desired- it cuts it down significantly. If you send a message and don't get an answer- wastebasket, don't follow-up, some ladies get 200 messages a day.

If you want to remember specific ladies, use the "notes" option on TF which has sorting capacity, that can be used in the future. The technique is to place a word selected by the user such as "red" in the notes section of a particular lady's profile. Afterwards, you may sort, and even print a list of those profiles which have all the common word- "red" or it could be "boobs", "ass", "blond" "massage", "interesting", "Jomtien", etc. I think it is quite helpful if you review multiple profiles. It is much better than the "favorites" option which Thai Friendly has.

Language can be a small challenge, but most do have basic English skills, enough, and they use translators. Most of these ladies don't keep a good calendar, so follow-ups to appointments are recommended, and don't schedule / plan more than a day ahead – I don't think the Thai mind plans too far ahead.

Chats and messages should be kept short and simple, do not use big words or abbreviations beyond ST, LT, BJ, DFK, etc. Don't use sarcasm, big words, or colloquial language, the translator machines and the ladies will not understand and can me misunderstood.

Many ladies are associated with Massage Shops somehow, so in many cases I would ask if they will give a massage at my condo- if yes, to me it says FS, therefore I would follow-up asking for "massage and short time" which usually got a good response and seemed to relieve the lady of complications with her employer. There may be a 200-300 BT fee for the shop to let her give the massage away from the shop, normal and to be expected.

Once a transaction is set-up, try to move any conversation regarding specifics and negotiations to Line ID- men, you must have Line ID also, it is free in the App Store. The Girls like it because it is free, it seems more confidential than the TF Website, there is no time limit on messages, and it is fast. You and the lady can send pictures back and forth, have call capability, and you can send a Google map of your location so the girl will know where to meet you.

If the lady does not go to Line, you can also just create and complete the session details on Thai Friendly, but maybe without the bells and whistles of the internet.

As I stayed in a Condo, there was no front desk or security or check-in, or holding ID cards, once I had an appointment with the lady, I would send a map and address of my condo. I asked that they Line Text me upon arrival and I would then provide the floor and room number and they would come directly to my room, easy.

I found that the age indicated on the TF profile was generally out of date by 2 years (less) and most ladies reduced their age several years as well. The average age of the ladies I engaged was 39 years old, the few issues I had in response were from ladies under 30, no call backs, etc. I found the difference between a young hardbody and a more mature 30 something MILF was negligible physically and much more positive for the session, compared to a session with a 30-year-old Western lady, Thai ladies seem to hold their age well, YMMV.

Pictures used by the ladies are usually their best, filtered, out of date, photo shopped, and some of the ladies don't look a lot like their pictures. I had no issues caused by this; it is just a norm which needs to be understood.

I repeated with about 1/4 of my TF Ladies, which certainly provided a more GFE session on the 2nd and 3rd session and the knowledge that I was staying for a month may have provided some motivation to the Lady. I don't recommend going more than 3 sessions in repeat- some get too possessive.

I would session many times in late afternoon and afterwards numerous ladies and I would go drinking, dinner, clubs, and walks to look at the sunset. Like a date after the session some included: Thai BBQ, Thai Seafood BBQ, local restaurants and hotels, these can be enjoyable and inexpensive in the long run, many which lead to a good night session at the condo.

I also had a number of sessions early in the morning inviting the lady to have a cup of tea with me on my balcony looking at Ko Larn and the nearby islands, sometimes with breakfast following, "Tea and Me" was a great way for me to start the day- I am an early riser and probably have more energy in the morning.

I stayed in a Condo in Jomtien (View Taly 5 C) which is a 25 ish year-old high-rise building, which I selected due to location etc. I have stayed in a hotel in the area previously and enjoyed it, but the size, kitchen, amenities, and price all made it work for me very well. The girls really liked the condo view of the beach all the way to Siracha 20 miles away.

These condos are independently owned and leased by Agents who generally have small offices in the Condo building. I recommend that an office of the Condo Agent be within the Condo Building, usually on the arcade level, for "communications issues".

Jomtien vs. Pattaya- I stayed in Jomtien because of the smaller village feeling that it has. It is quieter, which is a plus and a negative, with possibly fewer tour groups, less traffic, a better beach, more local restaurants, fewer tattoos, etc. Jomtien is contiguous to Pattaya, so it is very close to Walking Street and not far from LK Metro- all on the Baht Bus route. I also think Jomtien is more Western than Pattaya and it is more mature in visitors as well.

Cannabis: new this year are approximately 6,000 (per media) Cannabis vendors throughout Thailand. Their presence is everywhere in the Tourist areas with small booths outside shops, Cannabis Bars, Cannabis Bakeries, Cannabis Clubs all selling cannabis from jars filled with buds of multiple strains and potencies. Pricing is by the Gram: 100 Baht to 500 Baht / gram. I found most vendors started at 200/ gram minimum. I found a shop off the beaten path which had 100/ gram Urban Haze sativa which was very moist (had to light a joint a lot) which I think was very, very good compared to what I generally use. I also tried some of the higher priced stuff and found the difference to be marginal from what I was buying, therefore I do believe there is definitely a "tourist" price for Cannabis.. Shop accordingly, and from a Shop Owner- negotiations can begin at the 10 gram+ quantity, YMMV.

Overall, for all of the Cannabis vendors available, I found very little activity / interest from either Thais or Visitors. There seem to be no interest from any of the ladies who visited my condo, I offered most of the time.. And now the new Government is talking about restricting Cannabis down to medical use only, after a year of no restrictions.. Only in Thailand.

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Pricing: I did not think the prices have changed much from 2022 when I last visited. I would say I was conservative in my spending, but nowhere near a Cheap Charlie, the following summarizes some of my expenses:

30 Days on the Ground, August 3- September 2- actual expenses rounded.

Condo 25,000 Baht monthly (utilities, maintenance, tips, internet- nicely furnished, secure, on the beach).

Transportation 4800 Baht- includes Taxi RT to Airport.

BKK Taxi is now about 1400 Baht with meet and greet.

(Be sure to obtain the Bolt App for rideshare / Uber style transportation which is very reasonable and reliable).

Food 22,000 Baht- American Breakfast daily, nice dinner, street food lunch, snacks, about 8 dinner dates included, no in condo cooking!

Beverage 9400 Baht- mostly beer at 65-75/ beer.

Misc. 4300 Baht- Laundry, meds, gifts, foot massage.

Marijuana 4300 Baht.

Touring 20,000 Baht- transportation, tickets, food, beverage, English speaking non-certified guide, 6 adventures.

Entertainment: 51,000 Baht- 41 sessions, 25 different ladies.

1,500 Bhat highest session cost, 1,000 Baht many sessions, I did not negotiate unless there was a silly "ask", the small amount which negotiation could yield was not material, therefore a "win" for the lady when I paid what she asked.

I would not pay more than 1,500 except in the case of taxi transportation cost from NaKluea.

Some Ladies are offering discounts and specials based on when their rent is due or other economic metric, such as:

-ST 1200 or 3 hrs. /2 shots 1500.

-ST 1000 – if 2 sessions.

-LT 1500, if late starting.

-Massage and Short Time, 1,200.

-ST 1500,2 shots.

-ST 1500, Boom Boom, Breakfast, Boom Boom.

Once a Lady had agreed to a session price, I tried not to speak about cost again. For repeats and most sessions, I would prepare the cash with a tip, leave it in plain sight, and place it on their purse while they were in the bathroom after the session.

I have not provided personal experiences, commented on individual ladies, or do reviews as I believe each individual has their own impression and view of the Lady they are with and the experience they are having- I may agree or disagree and it is my business what I am doing if it does not hurt others.

I hope the information I have shared will be of use to future travelers and update others on what is happening in Pattaya / Jomtien, these are my experiences from "on the ground" within the past 30 days. As always, your experiences may vary.

Cheers, Bob.

October 6, 2023.

I will be back in Jomtien in 2024 for my 74th Birthday.

[Jim2288]

Edge Central Condo: Was in a very convenient location close to all the Agogo bars in LK Metro and walking distance to Walking Street and Soi 6. Highly recommend. Check-in process was easy, a lady met me when I got out of the taxi (used Nam's Taxi to and from the Airport. Highly recommend) and she got the key for me out of the mailbox. She tried to sell me on a larger room, but it wasn't much better so I kept the one I had reserved. I reserved it on Agoda (was about $200 for 3 nights). My friend rented a slightly smaller room on AirBnB for around $160 or so.

Thai Friendly Girls: I setup my TF account about 3 weeks before I left and messaged a lot of girls saying when I would be there and that I was looking for girls for ST and LT play dates. I favorited about 12 of them, got their WhatsApp or Line and stayed in contact with them before I got there. As soon as the taxi dropped me off, I had a girl come over. It was 2,000 for ST and then we went to dinner at the mall after. She was fun and let me take pics. I saw a second girl on the second day. She was 5,000 for ST. I know. Very expensive. But she was really hot and I really wanted to see her. She also had the most rules (no kissing on mouth, no pictures, etc). Not sure I would recommend her, but I don't regret it at all. My last day, I had a TF girl stay over for LT for 3,500 (gave her a really nice tip though, cause she was really fun and I just wanted to make her happy). She was very fun and let me take pics and record videos. It was great. She's even sent me a few pics after I left and I enjoyed talking to her. None of them have reached out for money or anything like that. I think TF is an easy and convenient. Especially if you don't feel like leaving your room. Highly recommend using that app for freelance girls.

LK Metro Agogo Bars: I at least peaked into all of them. They're pretty small clubs. I had a ST session with a pretty girl named Dow at Dolls. Think the total was about 3,000 with the bar fine and her fee. She was probably the hottest girl I saw in any of the agogo bars. Highly recommend. Kink was the most fun club in LK Metro, upstairs is where it's at. My friend and I took two girls back with us for LT. I don't remember how much it was, I wasn't sober by that point, but think it was about 5,000 total for one girl. I went with a girl named Apple (think Oam is her real name). She stayed with me for about 12 hours. Left the condo at 11:30 am After I got in one more "boom boom" before she left.

Blow-Job Bar: I only went to 1 - King Kong on Soi 6. There were only 5 girls to choose from and they certainly were far from the hottest girls on Soi 6. But I felt like I couldn't leave Pattaya without the experience so I picked the one I liked most. Really enjoyed it. Beer and BJ was less than 1,000 total. I sat on the red couch right behind the bar so I could see out the windows. Took my pants and underwear off and she wiped me off and went to work. Loved it. Really wish I had tried more of these places.

Soapy Massage: I only did one of these. Went to Honey 2. I went with a 20-year old girl that was gorgeous. I think it was 3,600. The red tag girls were older, the blue tag girls were ok, but the black tag girls were way better. There were two other levels higher than black (V and something else but none were available when I was there). It was great. Got in the bath and cleaned me off, then the the body slide on the air mattress next to the bathtub (we scissored, had never done that before, LOL). Then we got on the rock hard bed. Covered BJ (only place I had one of those), mish, and doggy to finish. I felt like one soapy was enough.

Soi 6: I probably had the most fun on Soi 6. I loved going from bar to bar and talking shit to the different girls. I spent a lot of time in 3 Angels, played connect 4 and Jenga with the girls and my friend. Finally felt like I was ready (had come from King Kong across the street) and asked a girl if she wanted to do ST. Very pretty blonde girl with braces. I asked her and she said she didn't have a condom and walked away like she was looking for one and then came back and sat down. Then she started acting weird and it turned me off, so we left and went to eat at a kebab place. Then we went back and walked Soi 6. Had at least 1 beer in probably 6 different bars. Went to Roxy, where I had the most fun. Spent most of my time with Oun. A cute Cambodian girl. She was a lot of fun. I took her and one of her friends back to the condo for LT which was probably one of the wildest experiences of my life. I had told them they could go for long time, but only if they would 69 each other and make-out with each other. It was glorious. I gave the girls 5,000 each. No idea what I paid for the bar fine. I wasn't sober by this point. My friend also took a girl back for LT. I got in a boom boom in the morning before they left. They were with me for about 10 hours.

Walking Street: Went to walking street my last night. Went to most of the Agogo bars in the area. Wildest was Windmill, but I didn't do anything with any girls there. Just bought drinks and watched. And bought some ping pong balls to throw at the girls. It was fun. Also went to pin-ups and several others, but these places. In my opinion. Didn't measure up to the more fun environment of the bars on Soi 6. Had pretty girls though, probably hotter than Soi 6, just didn't have the same fun vibe. I left around 11:00 and decided to look around for freelance girls I might want to take back for the last night.

Beach Rd / Walking Street Freelance: Maybe I picked a bad time. Started looking around right around 11:00. Walked from the end of walking street and then down beach Road. Overall, I wasn't impressed with the quality of the girls out there. Maybe the more attractive girls had already been taken, but I also didn't see anything appealing when I walked from Edge condo to Walking Street around 8 pm Too many lady boys and too many other more attractive options to pick-up a beach Road. Girl. At least in my opinion. It started raining really hard around 11:30 so I walked back the the condo and met a girl from TF.

Gentlemen's Clubs: Only went to one. High Rollers. Wasn't impressed at all. Ate there and didn't talk to a single girl in the place. They were all downstairs and I was hanging out by the pool table upstairs. The quality of the girls was poor. But. To be fair. I was there in the early afternoon. Probably wasn't the best time to be there. The pizza was good though.

Overall, great trip. Highly recommend.

[GatorAk]

I took the opportunity to return to Thailand this year for the month of August, I left just 30+ days ago. Over the years I have been to Thailand a number of times, so I have familiarity with the country and my last few trips have been predominantly to Pattaya.

I have read ISG for quite a while- finding it sometimes informative and a good guide from those on the ground most recently and from those living in Pattaya. Based on information gleaned from the many treads I have read, I have traveled as a Tourist who enjoys ladies, not a monger, it seems good.

Therefore, this Report may be helpful to Newbies, and it is also an update for future and experienced travelers. It is formatted as I did last year with some updates and new information.
I will be back in Jomtien in 2024 for my 74th Birthday.Very informative report. Thank you, sir.

[Horatio]

It's okay to pay a bargirl 2,000 thb if she is drunk, annoying and pukes all the while talking stories about sponsors or thai husbands.


Why are you so fixated on Sponsors and bargirls? We've read it over and over from you. We get it! Don't give money to a bargirl unless it's to bang her. <waiting for your next sponsored bargirl post>.

I may have another HAMSTER coffin box story first though.



I have tons and tons of photos and video of girls and customers in Soi 6, gogo bars, beer bars, and G clubs. No owner or girl has ever said don't video to me. Some girls do turn away so I try not to video them. I usually let the girls video inside a gogo bar. A customer confronted me once thinking I was shooting him. Showed him the video and he was cool with it. It's fine to do it. It's not fine to post it on Social Media.

[CaliGuy33]

I took the opportunity to return to Thailand this year for the month of August, I left just 30+ days ago. Over the years I have been to Thailand a number of times, so I have familiarity with the country and my last few trips have been predominantly to Pattaya.

I have read ISG for quite a while- finding it sometimes informative and a good guide from those on the ground most recently and from those living in Pattaya. Based on information gleaned from the many treads I have read, I have traveled as a Tourist who enjoys ladies, not a monger, it seems good.

Therefore, this Report may be helpful to Newbies, and it is also an update for future and experienced travelers. It is formatted as I did last year with some updates and new information.

August.. For a variety of reasons I traveled for the month of August, hoping that the raining season was either behind me or in front of me, I was really lucky, as the weather ranged from 6:00 am 27 see or 80 degrees F, to 5:00 pm 32 see or 90 F degrees- every day of the month. The sun being very intense in the afternoon.. And it rained for two hours one evening only, for the entire month. Humidity is high all the time in Thailand- take lots of showers.

It was very slow in Pattaya, not many tourists, Thai or Farang, much to the worry of the ladies, who said there were no customers. Of the visitors, Chinese and Indian were the most often seen, but predominately in Central Pattaya for the Indians and Na Jomtien for the Chinese- my observation, not many European Westerners, some Australian holiday makers and very few North Americans. There are also said to be quite a few Russians in Pattaya, which I encountered at the pool, mostly families, and did not encounter many in the entertainment areas.

There were plenty of ladies, but I did hear of some going to their home villages for visits and a few lucky ones going to visit sponsors in Europe and Japan.

The bars really showed the lack of customers but seemed to be filled with bored and lonely ladies waiting for something, someone, anything.

The Tourist reliant Thai people had a very hard time with the pandemic, many are still hungry, most lost all their savings if they had any, but there is still optimism about the future as they enter the rainy season and depend on the "high season" to recover and start the cycle all over again.

Some acquaintances ask why I return Thailand via that awful long, expensive airplane trip.. Well a few thoughts and reasons: in Thailand- no one cares what visitors look like; bald, overweight, pasty skin, beer belly ladened, old tattoos.. , the weather is generally good hot and sweaty, the food is good and cheap, ..no car is needed as taxi, bus and Baht Bus (10 Baht) can easily move you from one point to another, ... Accommodations are varied and inexpensive, There is quite a bit to do, but I do recommend establishing a routine for your day. Get into a routine- can't drink all the time- walk, swim, eat, keep up with paperwork, computer, world events, foot massage, afternoon session, tourist attractions which I will mention later, walks, People watching is a major thing to do, And language is easy to get by with English... And you probably will not see anyone you know from back home, I like these things and find Pattaya a great place to visit.

Non-Mongering Activities.

In establishing my own routine while in Pattaya, I researched a number of activities prior to arrival as well as while in Thailand. I found there is lots of Golf nearby which I did not take advantage of, there is little fishing in the area, you need to go to Udon Thani, or Hau Hin or other for pond fishing which is great but lots of logistics. In the past I have taken trips to Bangkok for several days for sightseeing which can be real good, but I have done that. So I concentrated on the Pattaya area.

As most of what I found was outside of the immediate Pattaya area I concluded that I would need transportation- I will not drive in Thailand thanks. So, I would need a car and driver- was my conclusion, how do I find?

I posted a message: "Car and Driver wanted" for local adventures with English speaking driver. I got a great response from a local guy who put me in contact with is "Driver" who happens to be a 48 year old lady, non P4 P who needs side 'gigs', is a Bolt Taxi driver, and speaks pretty good English- we clicked, she is a great, smart, kind, a lady who I would happily recommend- send me a private message if you want her contact information.

We put the following "adventures" together, and over a month had a good time, they kept me off the streets and were not a big expense.

Sriracha Town, Ko Sichang Island and "Bangkok" Anchorage.

O Drive approximately 40 minutes to Sriracha Town a typical midsized non tourist Thai town short drive around, then to ferry dock to Ko Schang Island, 40 minutes traveling through the Anchorage where nearly all cargo and tanker ships transit or are anchored. Tut Tut tour of Ko Schang Island with one beautiful Temple, nice beach where drinks and lunch were good. 9-5 with ferry schedules.

Nong Nooch Botanical Gardens and Shows, Big Budda Mountain.

O Drive toward Sattahip about 30 minutes to a very professionally created landscape garden business which has been transformed into a Event Center, model dinosaur exhibit, car and truck exhibit, cultural show, elephant show, and dining are packaged together very well logistically all for large crowds- well done, good for one visit.

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Mong Chang Cafe, Sanctuary of Truth, Bamboo Bay Beach Club.

O The small Elephant Village- Mong Chang Cafe was welcoming but created for the Chinese market, skip.

O Sanctuary of Truth is spectacular look it up on the internet, a structure being built over 40 years all of wood telling mistic stories through wood carvings in this huge structure- well worth it and fairly close, facility Guides included.

O Bamboo Bay Beach Club in nearby NaKluea, good food, drinks, some music, beach umbrellas and chairs- a couple hours chilling along the beach- good if in the area.

Bacco Beach Lunch in Na Jomtien, Ambassador Beach.

O Na Jomtien about 30-minute drive with traffic, gourmet style lunch, drinks, chilling a great beach with rentals, music and a variety of Thai and Western food, best with a companion.

Elephant Jungle Sanctuary.

O Check out / book on their web site, same name, one of several locations in Thailand who are legitimate "rescue" organizations with about a dozen Elephants on the grounds, with staff interacting and educating guests about them, no show, no chains, but you can help wash them and throw mud around. Staff pick up at the condo, do the morning due to heat, cost includes a donation. No third party required.

Picnic at Navy Beach (Sai Kaew Beach), Sattahip.

O About 40 minutes to the Navy town of Sattahip, we picked up BBQ chicken, salad and beer on the way, beautiful beach with rentals, food vendors, bathrooms, sand beach for swimming and sunning, and there was some shade also. I went on Thai Mother's Day by coincidence, I think I was the only Farang, but very welcome.

Laern Chabang Port drive with seafood lunch.

O Driving toward Sriracha Town, the Port serving Bangkok with about 100 arrivals, 100 departures and 60 vessels in Port daily which are predominantly Container Ships holding up to 10,000 containers each. Driving around the commercial area is very busy, including a midsized refinery and several commercial 'seaport operations. ' Seaside restaurants, after 2:00 pm, in several scenic spots are available, nice fish and shrimp dining while watching ships coming and going. Real good for those who enjoy ships and maritime activity.

Money- is easy to calculate, easy to convert anywhere- change money at airport for the overall best rate- lowest level, exit 10- use elevators- signs for Train, but the overall difference from one Change Place to another is not that significant.

ATM machines are all over the place and easy to use but watch which ones you use, as some Thai Banks will put a "service charge" and a fee on their transactions, while others only impose a fee based on the amount purchased (220 fee /10,000 purchased) which can mean up to a 5% difference in their exchange rate so choose wisely if using ATMs- the color of the ATM machine identifies which Bank. And remember to say NO when prompted by the ATM to the rate the Bank offers, to avoid the additional service charge.

I like the Thai people, but those in Tourist areas don't smile as much as they should or as they are purported to, Land of Smiles. As elsewhere, some are good looking- many are plain, and hard-working individuals. Has the quality of ladies gone downhill over the years- I doubt it, but not all the ladies are great looking it is a matter of prospective of who you are, what can you get where you live, how much will you pay to be with that individual- home or in Thailand.

I have personally found that there are ladies of all ages, sizes, shapes, and colors available. I found that the younger ladies have more silicone, more tattoos, more colored hair and make-up, and less sense, than more mature ladies.

Ladies can be found everywhere; I found the following:

Soi 6- the famous street of about 25 Brothels with similar business plans with lots of young low class, tattooed girls begging for customers from the front of the establishment closest to the street- this is not my style at all, so I just look.

LK Meto- an upcoming group of bars, clubs, Go Go's, massage shops, gentlemen's clubs, mostly Western customers, easy to be a customer, good vibe, some freelancers, service workers (associated with the establishment) are all available for rent, worth a visit.

Massage Shops- are located all over the area, many seem to have the same format, prices of menu items are posted, ladies vary from young to old. Some Extras seem to be available at many, discussed between the lady and customer. Having an "oily" massage can be a very enjoyable experience, akin to or in place of a Short Time visit.some with more intensity, at about the same overall cost (300 BT massage+ 1000 FS). I think next visit I will look at in-shop oily massages more seriously if I find ladies who are attractive sitting out front.. I am sure they will think I am a "handsome man".

Soapy Massage I went one time; everybody should go once but maybe not here. There are several located in Central Pattaya which have the Fishbowl Style selection process, with a formatted routine in a room with a tub for a scrub, a tug, then FS, I think I was lucky from what I hear, I gave the floor manager 100 BT and he made a recommendation. Recollection that it was about 2500 BT. Marketed to Indians arriving in buses and vans.. Many smiles.

Tree Town- nearby grouping of upscale beer bars, seemed to be more service workers than customers but that may have been the time of night- may be more freelancers than elsewhere, worth a visit, this is an outdoor venue- so no A / see- that is why nice shorts, shoes, designer or golf type shirt is the nightly uniform throughout Pattaya.

Walking Street-about 90%+ of pre-covid experience, mostly Indian men with a representation of Westerners. Gogo's I went to only had Westerners, I spoke with the manager of one club who indicated that the Indian crowd does not spend well or at all, therefore they are not welcome, but there are numerous large Indian establishments which are jam packed.

Windmill Gogo- everything ever written is true about this Gogo, lots of girls, doing lots of things including naked shower, pussy dive, mostly all in good taste or taste good- the quality of the girls was high, however not as high as expected- Windmill did even have several "wide body girls" and some I would not be interested in, each to their own. Note draught beer- 80 Baht before 10:00 pm- not bad for the show which can be had just by going in the door, lady drinks 280 Baht I think (there is a sign posted on the wall).and now there is a second Windmill just across the way from the original.

Bamboo Bar near Walking street- open but not the same format of the past, it used to be the premiere location for finding a mature lady for the night- (hardly any business, could not find dancing here, few ladies).

Jomtien- Rhompo Complex- group of about 10 "beer bars" next to a car park which turns into a street food complex at night (very good). These bars seem to have some loyal customers (Aussie, European) low key, music, some singing, pool tables, more mature service staff and girls- good, relaxed atmosphere- bar fine was 300 Bt. Last I checked. Some Ladyboys mixed into the service staff not necessarily announced, so be aware.

Jomtien- Soi 3-9 Bars: multiple bars along these roads between Beach Road and Second Road, mixed within other businesses and small restaurants. Most have the same format of a few girls in the front near the street, encouraging customers to come in- to be entertained by the girls in conversation, to my knowledge all are available for bar fine, I expect at 300 with 1000-1200 Baht for the lady, most of the ladies are on the mature side of the spectrum. Beer cost of 65-70, Scotch about the same. A few ladyboys, but not many.

Jomtien- Thapphraya Rd (Soi O) (Second Road to Beach Road) this is the main road between Pattaya and the Beach in Jomtien. With about 20 bars and restaurants sometimes called restaurant row- several good bars with street view, service ladies to keep the drinks flowing- Country Road, Country Club, Escobar, Pool Bar, Sand Bar, to name a few which will have a variety of European customers, ladies, all with some music, live on occasion, lots of street food available. There is even a Gogo near the beach with a 'higher' end bar, worth a look but not to be compared to Walking Street. There are also approximately 10 restaurants mixed in along this route, various cuisine and price points, along with retail, and service shops.

Jomtien Complex- entry from this location, is an area nicely done of multiple massage (boy) shops, small bars, small, good restaurants, several hotels, a showroom, and multiple larger bars- all marketing to the Gay crowd- all very well done and in good taste- worth the walk thru. It has been my experience that the Gay crowd do not mix outside their crowd, have been cordial and highclass. No issues for me.

Gentlemen's Clubs- (Def: bars with closed fronts and a front door- some with security person at front) (Pattaya and Jomtien) there are probably at least a dozen++ of these which are primarily open 2-9 have ladies / freelancers and service workers, pool tables, some food, some have rooms, all that I heard or saw had 400 Bhat room fee, about 1000 BT girl fee all for onsite entertainment. Numerous in Soi Buakhao area, 3-4 in Jomtien, several in Pratamnak, others elsewhere with similar pricing I believe.

It has been remarked that some are very pushy by the ladies' others not. They may not be for everyone but worth a look, for some low-key entertainment- but some of these do get going with a lot of down and dirty as I understand- see what a Lady Drink will motivate 555.

Thai Friendly (internet website) - there are multiple ladies listed on Thai Friendly for which.

If a Lady has a "profile" (screen / listing) on Thai Friendly, I presume that they are Pay 4 Play, I would guess 90% are Pay 4 Play, if they are not, they will let you know quickly- don't be embarrassed or apologetic, just move on to the next.. It seems limitless.

I am a paid member and find it worth the investment and valued for the entertainment value alone. I monitored TF for a few ladies' prior to the trip and kept in touch with a select few prior to arrival. I tabulate the data I obtained and the candidates from TF and used some of it upon arrival.

The information retained from these profiles becomes dated very quickly- ladies come and go frequently, and ladies do not remember your messages on the whole, so over planning is not fruitful.

There are no guarantees of success, but some things I do: only look at pictures of smiling ladies, more attention to those who respond, "like or are interested in me", use the filter for age if desired- it cuts it down significantly. If you send a message and don't get an answer- wastebasket, don't follow-up, some ladies get 200 messages a day.

If you want to remember specific ladies, use the "notes" option on TF which has sorting capacity, that can be used in the future. The technique is to place a word selected by the user such as "red" in the notes section of a particular lady's profile. Afterwards, you may sort, and even print a list of those profiles which have all the common word- "red" or it could be "boobs", "ass", "blond" "massage", "interesting", "Jomtien", etc. I think it is quite helpful if you review multiple profiles. It is much better than the "favorites" option which Thai Friendly has.

Language can be a small challenge, but most do have basic English skills, enough, and they use translators. Most of these ladies don't keep a good calendar, so follow-ups to appointments are recommended, and don't schedule / plan more than a day ahead I don't think the Thai mind plans too far ahead.

Chats and messages should be kept short and simple, do not use big words or abbreviations beyond ST, LT, BJ, DFK, etc. Don't use sarcasm, big words, or colloquial language, the translator machines and the ladies will not understand and can me misunderstood.

Many ladies are associated with Massage Shops somehow, so in many cases I would ask if they will give a massage at my condo- if yes, to me it says FS, therefore I would follow-up asking for "massage and short time" which usually got a good response and seemed to relieve the lady of complications with her employer. There may be a 200-300 BT fee for the shop to let her give the massage away from the shop, normal and to be expected.

Once a transaction is set-up, try to move any conversation regarding specifics and negotiations to Line ID- men, you must have Line ID also, it is free in the App Store. The Girls like it because it is free, it seems more confidential than the TF Website, there is no time limit on messages, and it is fast. You and the lady can send pictures back and forth, have call capability, and you can send a Google map of your location so the girl will know where to meet you.

If the lady does not go to Line, you can also just create and complete the session details on Thai Friendly, but maybe without the bells and whistles of the internet.

As I stayed in a Condo, there was no front desk or security or check-in, or holding ID cards, once I had an appointment with the lady, I would send a map and address of my condo. I asked that they Line Text me upon arrival and I would then provide the floor and room number and they would come directly to my room, easy.

I found that the age indicated on the TF profile was generally out of date by 2 years (less) and most ladies reduced their age several years as well. The average age of the ladies I engaged was 39 years old, the few issues I had in response were from ladies under 30, no call backs, etc. I found the difference between a young hardbody and a more mature 30 something MILF was negligible physically and much more positive for the session, compared to a session with a 30-year-old Western lady, Thai ladies seem to hold their age well, YMMV.

Pictures used by the ladies are usually their best, filtered, out of date, photo shopped, and some of the ladies don't look a lot like their pictures. I had no issues caused by this; it is just a norm which needs to be understood.

I repeated with about 1/4 of my TF Ladies, which certainly provided a more GFE session on the 2nd and 3rd session and the knowledge that I was staying for a month may have provided some motivation to the Lady. I don't recommend going more than 3 sessions in repeat- some get too possessive.

I would session many times in late afternoon and afterwards numerous ladies and I would go drinking, dinner, clubs, and walks to look at the sunset. Like a date after the session some included: Thai BBQ, Thai Seafood BBQ, local restaurants and hotels, these can be enjoyable and inexpensive in the long run, many which lead to a good night session at the condo.

I also had a number of sessions early in the morning inviting the lady to have a cup of tea with me on my balcony looking at Ko Larn and the nearby islands, sometimes with breakfast following, "Tea and Me" was a great way for me to start the day- I am an early riser and probably have more energy in the morning.

I stayed in a Condo in Jomtien (View Taly 5 C) which is a 25 ish year-old high-rise building, which I selected due to location etc. I have stayed in a hotel in the area previously and enjoyed it, but the size, kitchen, amenities, and price all made it work for me very well. The girls really liked the condo view of the beach all the way to Siracha 20 miles away.

These condos are independently owned and leased by Agents who generally have small offices in the Condo building. I recommend that an office of the Condo Agent be within the Condo Building, usually on the arcade level, for "communications issues".

Jomtien vs. Pattaya- I stayed in Jomtien because of the smaller village feeling that it has. It is quieter, which is a plus and a negative, with possibly fewer tour groups, less traffic, a better beach, more local restaurants, fewer tattoos, etc. Jomtien is contiguous to Pattaya, so it is very close to Walking Street and not far from LK Metro- all on the Baht Bus route. I also think Jomtien is more Western than Pattaya and it is more mature in visitors as well.

Cannabis: new this year are approximately 6,000 (per media) Cannabis vendors throughout Thailand. Their presence is everywhere in the Tourist areas with small booths outside shops, Cannabis Bars, Cannabis Bakeries, Cannabis Clubs all selling cannabis from jars filled with buds of multiple strains and potencies. Pricing is by the Gram: 100 Baht to 500 Baht / gram. I found most vendors started at 200/ gram minimum. I found a shop off the beaten path which had 100/ gram Urban Haze sativa which was very moist (had to light a joint a lot) which I think was very, very good compared to what I generally use. I also tried some of the higher priced stuff and found the difference to be marginal from what I was buying, therefore I do believe there is definitely a "tourist" price for Cannabis.. Shop accordingly, and from a Shop Owner- negotiations can begin at the 10 gram+ quantity, YMMV.

Overall, for all of the Cannabis vendors available, I found very little activity / interest from either Thais or Visitors. There seem to be no interest from any of the ladies who visited my condo, I offered most of the time.. And now the new Government is talking about restricting Cannabis down to medical use only, after a year of no restrictions.. Only in Thailand.

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Pricing: I did not think the prices have changed much from 2022 when I last visited. I would say I was conservative in my spending, but nowhere near a Cheap Charlie, the following summarizes some of my expenses:

30 Days on the Ground, August 3- September 2- actual expenses rounded.

Condo 25,000 Baht monthly (utilities, maintenance, tips, internet- nicely furnished, secure, on the beach).

Transportation 4800 Baht- includes Taxi RT to Airport.

BKK Taxi is now about 1400 Baht with meet and greet.

(Be sure to obtain the Bolt App for rideshare / Uber style transportation which is very reasonable and reliable).

Food 22,000 Baht- American Breakfast daily, nice dinner, street food lunch, snacks, about 8 dinner dates included, no in condo cooking!

Beverage 9400 Baht- mostly beer at 65-75/ beer.

Misc. 4300 Baht- Laundry, meds, gifts, foot massage.

Marijuana 4300 Baht.

Touring 20,000 Baht- transportation, tickets, food, beverage, English speaking non-certified guide, 6 adventures.

Entertainment: 51,000 Baht- 41 sessions, 25 different ladies.

1,500 Bhat highest session cost, 1,000 Baht many sessions, I did not negotiate unless there was a silly "ask", the small amount which negotiation could yield was not material, therefore a "win" for the lady when I paid what she asked.

I would not pay more than 1,500 except in the case of taxi transportation cost from NaKluea.

Some Ladies are offering discounts and specials based on when their rent is due or other economic metric, such as:

-ST 1200 or 3 hrs. /2 shots 1500.

-ST 1000 if 2 sessions.

-LT 1500, if late starting.

-Massage and Short Time, 1,200.

-ST 1500,2 shots.

-ST 1500, Boom Boom, Breakfast, Boom Boom.

Once a Lady had agreed to a session price, I tried not to speak about cost again. For repeats and most sessions, I would prepare the cash with a tip, leave it in plain sight, and place it on their purse while they were in the bathroom after the session.

I have not provided personal experiences, commented on individual ladies, or do reviews as I believe each individual has their own impression and view of the Lady they are with and the experience they are having- I may agree or disagree and it is my business what I am doing if it does not hurt others.

I hope the information I have shared will be of use to future travelers and update others on what is happening in Pattaya / Jomtien, these are my experiences from "on the ground" within the past 30 days. As always, your experiences may vary.

Cheers, Bob.

October 6, 2023.

I will be back in Jomtien in 2024 for my 74th Birthday.Highly informative comment. The icing on the cake of your post was to read that you are 73 years old, quite impressive to be travelling like this and mongering at that age.

[AggieDad1]

I took the opportunity to return to Thailand this year for the month of August, I left just 30+ days ago. Over the years I have been to Thailand a number of times, so I have familiarity with the country and my last few trips have been predominantly to Pattaya.

Cheers, Bob.

October 6, 2023.

I will be back in Jomtien in 2024 for my 74th Birthday.Great report. Enjoyed reading it.

[Raj Patela]

In his post he mentioned that the girl who was sponsored by the Brit went home which means that she was unavailable for boots on the ground. Sending them money from abroad lessens the availability for farangs in Patts.Trust me. There are no Shortages of the kind of girls Explorer likes. They're Everywhere. Why no laughing emoticon.

[Raj Patela]

October is a transitional month in Pattaya. It's still quiet, especially at the beginning of the month, and the ramp up of customers is imperceptable. So, this is the time when some marginal ladies give up and go home, and not so many new ladies arrive.

However, this is the month where more "special customers" arrive, the guys who barfined a lady last year, and are now coming back specifically to barfine her again (the famous "customer before".

The "Made in Thailand" complex is now open again, pretty much same as before it was torn down. It's right next to TreeTown, a massive complex of open bars.

Next month is when the numbers really ramp up, so October is a good time to come to Pattaya.Anytime is the right time to come to Pattaya.

[Explorer8939]

It's okay to pay a bargirl 2,000 thb if she is drunk, annoying and pukes all the while talking stories about sponsors or thai husbands.You are referring to the ladies who come to my condo to drink. Very few get to the point of throwing up, most are in bed by that time.

But yes, once they have had a few drinks, they spill the beans. There are some who complain about their customers, but some others complain about their Thai boyfriends. If they have a real Farang boyfriend, I won't fuck them, but if it's a sponsor, no problem.

For me, 2000 baht for Long Time is a great deal. The ladies seem happy, at least during Low Season, as they all want to come back.

[Explorer8939]

LOL. And husbands. And boyfriends. I was never worried about the normal chicks that I used to fuck boyfriends and husbands, but he is obsessed with those of the chicks he is paying.
.If a bargirl has a real Farang boyfriend, I won't fuck her.

If she has a Thai boyfriend or husband, I don't care, he gets a cut from her work.

There are some Thai ladies who are only allowed by their Thai boyfriend to go Long Time with me (no idea why, except I am "customer before" There is one whose boyfriend checks my Facebook to make sure I am in Pattaya when she says she is going with me. So, if she goes LT with someone else, she tells me not to post on FB.

The main reason I mention the inevitable Thai boyfriend is to alert Lonely Guys that their new bargirl soul mate may have a Thai boyfriend, so be careful, maybe she doesn't really luv you.

[LittleBigMan]

Why are you so fixated on Sponsors and bargirls? We've read it over and over from you. We get it! Don't give money to a bargirl unless it's to bang her. <waiting for your next sponsored bargirl post>.

I may have another HAMSTER coffin box story first though.



I have tons and tons of photos and video of girls and customers in Soi 6, gogo bars, beer bars, and G clubs. No owner or girl has ever said don't video to me. Some girls do turn away so I try not to video them. I usually let the girls video inside a gogo bar. A customer confronted me once thinking I was shooting him. Showed him the video and he was cool with it. It's fine to do it. It's not fine to post it on Social Media.From my vast experience in life, this is usually termed "Psychosis Marony LOL!

He most likely experienced himself or someone very close being burned by a bargirl who had money sent to them. A drama that has stuck to his thinking and sealed his generalization that if he was given a lie detector test would pass with flying colors because he deeply believes it then at his age it will stick for life proof the past few years he writes the same comments. Being a concern person wants to make sure others don't far into the same trap thus the constant repeat.

All girls have Thai boyfriends and are being sent money while they work, All factory girls never have been in the business, Thai bars are only venture by Thai guys, and a Thai guy sitting at a bar is the Thai lady's boyfriend. We have heard all his same stories over the past few years personally to each his own but my takeaway from them is the amount of drinking in my definition his liver must have been shot got to be an alcoholic in denial, then the amount of traveling at times he is two places at one time.

It would make any reader suspect? For me to each his own! LOL!

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Yea, I copied everything there from the thread on PA.

Only reason the thread is in a hidden section is because they also have a several-hundred page long thread of TF reviews. Most of the entries on the site are from the PA review section. Absolutely worth your time to get a membership there. It's free. Just post about and don't be rude.

And hopefully they don't inflate the prices and the girl's egos like on walking street. Though if prices stay the same, I see good things about having more of a 'variety' on soi 6. It would go nicely with the new (quiet!) GC that opened.


From my vast experience in life, this is usually termed "Psychosis Marony LOL!

He most likely experienced himself or someone very close being burned by a bargirl who had money sent to them. A drama that has stuck to his thinking and sealed his generalization that if he was given a lie detector test would pass with flying colors because he deeply believes it then at his age it will stick for life proof the past few years he writes the same comments. Being a concern person wants to make sure others don't far into the same trap thus the constant repeat.

All girls have Thai boyfriends and are being sent money while they work, All factory girls never have been in the business, Thai bars are only venture by Thai guys, and a Thai guy sitting at a bar is the Thai lady's boyfriend. We have heard all his same stories over the past few years personally to each his own but my takeaway from them is the amount of drinking in my definition his liver must have been shot got to be an alcoholic in denial, then the amount of traveling at times he is two places at one time.

It would make any reader suspect? For me to each his own! LOL!Littlebigman, that is quite a reasonable synopsis based on Explorers posts.

Having met him, chatted with him, and the twins LOL, exploring (sic) his background, and getting an insight to his character from that.

My opinion for you on one topic, his travels, is that he is not lying about it at all.

He has the financial means and wherewithal to travel extensively often and freely almost on a whim, and does so often.

[Explorer8939]

From my vast experience in life, this is usually termed "Psychosis Marony LOL!

He most likely experienced himself or someone very close being burned by a bargirl who had money sent to them. A drama that has stuck to his thinking and sealed his generalization that if he was given a lie detector test would pass with flying colors because he deeply believes it then at his age it will stick for life proof the past few years he writes the same comments. Being a concern person wants to make sure others don't far into the same trap thus the constant repeat.

All girls have Thai boyfriends and are being sent money while they work, All factory girls never have been in the business, Thai bars are only venture by Thai guys, and a Thai guy sitting at a bar is the Thai lady's boyfriend. We have heard all his same stories over the past few years personally to each his own but my takeaway from them is the amount of drinking in my definition his liver must have been shot got to be an alcoholic in denial, then the amount of traveling at times he is two places at one time.

It would make any reader suspect? For me to each his own! LOL!Nobody cares about me, I'm just a poster here.

But, there are tons of guys who make the mistake of falling in love with a bargirl and blowing huge amounts of cash on her. The worst cases are those guys who move to Thailand and use their life savings to build a house for their bargirl. Afterwards, the bargirl "breaks up" with them, and her Thai boyfriend moves in. The guy is homeless and broke, they often commit suicide in Pattaya.

Lots of variations of the above, be careful in Thailand.

My liver is fine, I really don't drink that much.

Later today, I am starting a 3 day trip to lovely Tijuana, Mexico. Sorry if it appears I am in 2 places at once.

[Mr Enternational]

But, there are tons of guys who make the mistake of falling in love with a bargirl and blowing huge amounts of cash on her. The worst cases are those guys who move to Thailand and use their life savings to build a house for their bargirl.And guess what? They are still going to do it no matter how much they are told not to, because they have a good heart and their girl is different.

[LittleBigMan]

Nobody cares about me, I'm just a poster here.

But, there are tons of guys who make the mistake of falling in love with a bargirl and blowing huge amounts of cash on her. The worst cases are those guys who move to Thailand and use their life savings to build a house for their bargirl. Afterwards, the bargirl "breaks up" with them, and her Thai boyfriend moves in. The guy is homeless and broke, they often commit suicide in Pattaya.

Lots of variations of the above, be careful in Thailand.

My liver is fine, I really don't drink that much.

Later today, I am starting a 3 day trip to lovely Tijuana, Mexico. Sorry if it appears I am in 2 places at once.Obvious people do care about what you write. Seem I hit s nerve guess the diagnoses was spot on based on your response.

[LittleBigMan]

Littlebigman, that is quite a reasonable synopsis based on Explorers posts.

Having met him, chatted with him, and the twins LOL, exploring (sic) his background, and getting an insight to his character from that.

My opinion for you on one topic, his travels, is that he is not lying about it at all.

He has the financial means and wherewithal to travel extensively often and freely almost on a whim, and does so often.My response is based on the responses to his post from others who are questioning, speaking for myself his obsession generalizing is just that particularly the constant Thai boyfriend and they being supported. As I noted back once told him he is very naive but if it works for him more power to him. I know and met hundreds of expat living here and visiting one thing is common just because you meet and tell you doesn't make it so. I've not said he is a liar but there seem to be a few on this board that has doubts.

[Explorer8939]

Obvious people do care about what you write. Seem I hit s nerve guess the diagnoses was spot on based on your response.Pattaya is like Disneyland for mongers, so many come here and are overwhelmed by the 1000's of ladies screaming "welcome hansum man". But some take it too seriously, and the results can be fatal.

I am trying to inject a little reality into the conversation, in the hopes that some guys will think twice before blowing their life savings on a bargirl.

Its okay to hand your money to a bargirl in exchange for services rendered. You are free to overpay. The problem comes when you are in love with a bargirl and you send her money when you go home. Giving a bargirl money for nothing is bad for you and other mongers, as well.

Living in Pattaya for many years, I have seen the results when a sponsor comes to the realization that "their" bargirl doesn't love them, and they have blown all their money for nothing. In extreme cases, this results in a dive off a condo balcony.

No, I have never been personally burned by a bargirl, although some have tried. But I have seen it happen to lots of other guys.

Be careful out there!

[Explorer8939]

Anytime is the right time to come to Pattaya.I usually bail from Pattaya in December. January, too many customers.

Plus, Bolt is overloaded, too many Bolt customers.

The ladies get top dollar from 2 week millionaires, plus that's when the sponsors usually visit Thailand, so their "girlfriends" are busy.

Bad time to go to Pattaya. Although its better than December in Birmingham.

[MartinFlevo]

Obvious people do care about what you write. Seem I hit s nerve guess the diagnoses was spot on based on your response.Why would someone care? 99% of his post have no added value to this forum?

He never gives info about girls. Just brags he bangs all the time.

Chick comes. She drinks, They fuck. BF is involved and a farang sponsor. It's the same story every post.

However you gain NO information about Pattaya at ALL from these post.

[Banana Boi]

230 baht lady drinks prices for ALL girls, (models, coyotes, hostesses) is pretty ridiculous at Palace. I remember when drinks were 150 for coyotes. Inflation did not go up 50%.I remember when there weren't models/hostesses and LD on WS were 100/120 baht, 60/80 baht on Soi 6 and G clubs. Does this mean the girls are making more per drink now or do the girls still make the same 50 baht they made at 120 baht LD as they do on 230 baht LD?

Higher prices means fewer drinks for the girls from me. I'm down to Panda, Cat Ears, and Cutest Girl Ever at Palace for drinks.


I will be back in Jomtien in 2024 for my 74th Birthday.


Overall, great trip. Highly recommend.

Buried in all our trash talk here are 2 very well thought out reviews by StL and Jim. Please go back a page and read them if you enjoy actual reviews that name bars and girls. Thanks guys for the information.

[MartinFlevo]

do the girls still make the same 50 baht they made at 120 baht LD as they do on 230 baht LD? .Most of the margin is going to the bars. I read somewhere they get now about 70-80 THB per drink.

So they got 42% first. Now down to 35%. However that does make sense a bit because the salaries went up for most models / coyotes in most bars.

To give you an idea.

OneNightJack.

Models 20 K for 10 days / 60 drinks = 60 x220 = 13.200.

Coyote 15 K for 10 days / 55 drinks = 55 x220 = 12.100.

Trow in 2 "mandatory" barfines a 2. 000. And you see the risk for hiring staff is very low.

Penalty for not making the drink quota? They need to pay it themselves (deducted from salary at full price).

So the 70-80 per drink is after they make their quota. Not on the first 60/55 drinks in this example.

[Explorer8939]

Why would someone care? 99% of his post have no added value to this forum?

He never gives info about girls. Just brags he bangs all the time.

Chick comes. She drinks, They fuck. BF is involved and a farang sponsor. It's the same story every post.

However you gain NO information about Pattaya at ALL from these post.What do you want to know?

[HelloIm]

Massage Shops- are located all over the area, many seem to have the same format, prices of menu items are posted, ladies vary from young to old. Some Extras seem to be available at many, discussed between the lady and customer. Having an "oily" massage can be a very enjoyable experience, akin to or in place of a Short Time visit.some with more intensity, at about the same overall cost (300 BT massage+ 1000 FS). I think next visit I will look at in-shop oily massages more seriously if I find ladies who are attractive sitting out front.. I am sure they will think I am a "handsome man".

Soapy Massage I went one time; everybody should go once but maybe not here. There are several located in Central Pattaya which have the Fishbowl Style selection process, with a formatted routine in a room with a tub for a scrub, a tug, then FS, I think I was lucky from what I hear, I gave the floor manager 100 BT and he made a recommendation. Recollection that it was about 2500 BT. Marketed to Indians arriving in buses and vans.. Many smiles.Hey man, super informative post! Any oily massage places you recommend with pretty, young girls? All massage places I walk past are similar in price in terms of their "non-monger" menu. And they all have old round ladies in front.

Any oily massages you recommend with pretty reliable roster of prettier, younger girls?

Thank you!

[Explorer8939]

Hey man, super informative post! Any oily massage places you recommend with pretty, young girls? All massage places I walk past are similar in price in terms of their "non-monger" menu. And they all have old round ladies in front.

Any oily massages you recommend with pretty reliable roster of prettier girls?

Thank you!There are some shops on the east end of Soi Honey that have young ladies working there.

[CaliGuy33]

I usually bail from Pattaya in December. January, too many customers.

Plus, Bolt is overloaded, too many Bolt customers.

The ladies get top dollar from 2 week millionaires, plus that's when the sponsors usually visit Thailand, so their "girlfriends" are busy.

Bad time to go to Pattaya. Although its better than December in Birmingham.Exactly. The one time of year not to be in Pattaya is high season, I have always avoided it and only come to Thailand and Pattaya during low season. Indeed the hotels are cheaper, but the two main reasons are avoiding the crowds and having leverage on the ladies that are desperate for customers which equates to cheaper and better service. Better service because they are more intent on obtaining repeat customers given the dearth of customers overall.

[CaliGuy33]

Hey man, super informative post! Any oily massage places you recommend with pretty, young girls? All massage places I walk past are similar in price in terms of their "non-monger" menu. And they all have old round ladies in front.

Any oily massages you recommend with pretty reliable roster of prettier, younger girls?

Thank you!You're best bet is to walk around and sample, it's really not complicated. In the last week I have met three different attractive oily massage ladies for legit oil massage with BJ finish and have repeated with each. But guess what, I don't remember the ladies' names or the shop names. I just enjoy sauntering around town and seeing what's on display out front, if I like something, I go in. It's simple, don't over think it.

[LittleBigMan]

Pattaya is like Disneyland for mongers, so many come here and are overwhelmed by the 1000's of ladies screaming "welcome hansum man". But some take it too seriously, and the results can be fatal.

I am trying to inject a little reality into the conversation, in the hopes that some guys will think twice before blowing their life savings on a bargirl.

Its okay to hand your money to a bargirl in exchange for services rendered. You are free to overpay. The problem comes when you are in love with a bargirl and you send her money when you go home. Giving a bargirl money for nothing is bad for you and other mongers, as well.

Living in Pattaya for many years, I have seen the results when a sponsor comes to the realization that "their" bargirl doesn't love them, and they have blown all their money for nothing. In extreme cases, this results in a dive off a condo balcony.

No, I have never been personally burned by a bargirl, although some have tried. But I have seen it happen to lots of other guys.

Be careful out there!Don't kill the messenger! Your preaching to the wrong guy. The more you try to justify the more you confirm! I've noted many times but human nature when offended people don't listen although they will day they do. When a person keep preaching the same message over and over again whether burn or know someone who has they tune out there Is nothing you can say or continue to say for.

Million time that will change.

It is no different when it comes to looks and priced the merry go round will continue to go around.

[LittleBigMan]

Pattaya is like Disneyland for mongers, so many come here and are overwhelmed by the 1000's of ladies screaming "welcome hansum man". But some take it too seriously, and the results can be fatal.

I am trying to inject a little reality into the conversation, in the hopes that some guys will think twice before blowing their life savings on a bargirl.

Its okay to hand your money to a bargirl in exchange for services rendered. You are free to overpay. The problem comes when you are in love with a bargirl and you send her money when you go home. Giving a bargirl money for nothing is bad for you and other mongers, as well.

Living in Pattaya for many years, I have seen the results when a sponsor comes to the realization that "their" bargirl doesn't love them, and they have blown all their money for nothing. In extreme cases, this results in a dive off a condo balcony.

No, I have never been personally burned by a bargirl, although some have tried. But I have seen it happen to lots of other guys.

Be careful out there!Don't kill the messenger! Your preaching to the wrong guy. The more you try to justify the more you confirm! I've noted many times but human nature when offended people don't listen although they will day they do. When a person keep preaching the same message over and over again whether burn or know someone who has they tune out there Is nothing you can say or continue to say for.

Million time that will change.

It is no different when it comes to looks and priced the merry go round will continue to go around.

[Raj Patela]

Hey man, super informative post! Any oily massage places you recommend with pretty, young girls? All massage places I walk past are similar in price in terms of their "non-monger" menu. And they all have old round ladies in front.

Any oily massages you recommend with pretty reliable roster of prettier, younger girls?

Thank you!Simple answer no way in San Jose are you going to find massage places stocked with other than old portly Thai Ladies.

You might find one somewhat attractive girl here and there but even then I'm Stretching the meaning of young and sexy.

Pre COVID. VIP Massage was the place to go in Bangkok. Attractive and decent massage and Sex on offer.

[Raj Patela]

Most of the margin is going to the bars. I read somewhere they get now about 70-80 THB per drink.

So they got 42% first. Now down to 35%. However that does make sense a bit because the salaries went up for most models / coyotes in most bars.

To give you an idea.

OneNightJack.

Models 20 K for 10 days / 60 drinks = 60 x220 = 13.200.

Coyote 15 K for 10 days / 55 drinks = 55 x220 = 12.100.

Trow in 2 "mandatory" barfines a 2. 000. And you see the risk for hiring staff is very low.

Penalty for not making the drink quota? They need to pay it themselves (deducted from salary at full price).

So the 70-80 per drink is after they make their quota. Not on the first 60/55 drinks in this example.I go to One Eye Jacks. I like one white skin girl there. Will buy her a Drink or 2.

The rest are just Motley as H. E. l. L.

I doubt most make their Quota.

How anyone there make s money is beyond my 3rd grade education level.

You can go at prime time no more than 5 customers.

[Raj Patela]

Heading back to Pattaya today. One week at Red Planet is going to set me back $115 for 7 days. How dare they.

No Baitoey insights. Does she Smell, mom of triplets, does she bite, etc?

Thanks to Exploring I'm not going to Sponsor Baitoey. LOL.

[Banana Boi]

Any oily massages you recommend with pretty reliable roster of prettier, younger girls?The two are generally mutually exclusive in Pattaya. Prettier younger girls aren't there to give you a good deep tissue or intense Thai massage. Now if you're looking for late late 20's and up then yes you will find some places.


So the 70-80 per drink is after they make their quota. Not on the first 60/55 drinks in this example.

Correct but girls who do not want to follow a strict schedule can also work on a drinks only basis without salary.

One of the other ways bars make a ton of money on are hefty penalties the girls have to pay. 500 baht for forgetting or losing your badge number, 2500 baht for forgetting your outfit and you are required to buy a new one. 500 baht for not wearing black shoes on black shoe night. 100 baht per each 5 minutes late up to your barfine rate. The list goes on and on and different for each club.

[Bunky]

Edge Central Condo * * * Thai Friendly Girls * * * LK Metro Agogo Bars * * * Blow-Job Bar * * * Soapy Massage * * * Soi 6 * * * Walking Street * * * Beach Rd / Walking Street Freelance * * * Gentlemen's Clubs * * * Overall, great trip. Highly recommend.Now that's what I call a tour d'horizon. Informative, timely and well-written. Great job by Jim2288.

[Explorer8939]

This is the very end of Low Season in Pattaya, the period when the ladies are most desperate for customers. Although I am in Mexico at the moment, I am getting pinged by ladies looking for customers (obviously, they aren't looking at my Facebook).

It's likely by the time I am returning to Pattaya for an extended stay, starting in late October, these ladies will have customers, as High Season kicks in.

But, for now, my telephone is figuratively ringing off the hook.

[Explorer8939]

Why would someone care? 99% of his post have no added value to this forum?

He never gives info about girls. Just brags he bangs all the time.

Chick comes. She drinks, They fuck. BF is involved and a farang sponsor. It's the same story every post.

However you gain NO information about Pattaya at ALL from these post.Let me explain how I operate, it's probably similar to anyone who stays in Pattaya for a long time.

In the case where I want a new lady, I will hit the bars. I will buy some drinks, and if the lady is acceptable, I will barfine her to go back to the condo for drinks.

Once in the condo, I will set up tequila for her, and my drinks for me. I have colored LEDS, like a bar, big screen TV and YouTube with no ads. I start off playing Reggeton, which is great for the ladies, since most Farangs don't play that in the bars. After some tequila is consumed, I will change to Isaan music, depending on the age of the lady, varying from Nescafe to Lam Yai, to Jintara.

At that point, the lady usually loves to talk about herself (they have zero interest in me), or her customers. If she has a sponsor, she will complain what an a* the guy is. As long as the lady is talking about herself, she is happy.

This is not to say there aren't duds, some ladies don't like to drink, and just want a quick fuck. I even had one lady who told me she wasn't having her period, and then said she had her period once in the condo. The bad ones are no repeats.

Most ladies will make their move after 3 hours or so, and hit the bedroom. Not because they are horny, but because it's their job. A small percent *are* horny, which is a problem for me, because they want to fuck too long.

Over time, I get a harem of ladies in my rotation. So, my problem isn't finding ladies, or money, it's time for all of them, at least in Low Season.

I know this isn't too useful for someone in Pattaya for 3 days, but lots of people stay in Thailand for 2+ weeks. As long as you don't get hooked by one lady, you have time to make a rotation.

[GatorAk]

This is the very end of Low Season in Pattaya, the period when the ladies are most desperate for customers. Although I am in Mexico at the moment, I am getting pinged by ladies looking for customers (obviously, they aren't looking at my Facebook).

It's likely by the time I am returning to Pattaya for an extended stay, starting in late October, these ladies will have customers, as High Season kicks in.

But, for now, my telephone is figuratively ringing off the hook.It's been several years since I walked across the border. I am thinking of making a day trip and hitting the Hong Kong and Chicago club. Little concern about the safety.

[Turgid]

Exactly. The one time of year not to be in Pattaya is high season, I have always avoided it and only come to Thailand and Pattaya during low season. Indeed the hotels are cheaper, but the two main reasons are avoiding the crowds and having leverage on the ladies that are desperate for customers which equates to cheaper and better service. Better service because they are more intent on obtaining repeat customers given the dearth of customers overall.But keep in mind that there are not only many more girls in Pattaya during high season but plenty more hot ones.

[Mr Enternational]

Although I am in Mexico at the moment, I am getting pinged by ladies looking for customers (obviously, they aren't looking at my Facebook).Are you surprised they do not stalk yours since you stalk theirs? Unlike many tricks, hookers are not worried about what you are doing that does not have to do with you bringing them money.

[Raj Patela]

There's an Idiot you Tuber. He goes on dates with prostitutes in South East Asia. Assuming like Exploring says many have boyfriend's.

He is getting Threats on his Social Media accounts now. Of what nature I'm not sure as I don't follow him much.

Be careful of Bragging or showing your exploits on Media of Social s.

It's always I hear Boyfriend's are fine with us,. I'm not so sure about that. No need to Rile them up.

[Sammon]

In Pattaya now staying at Holiday inn express. Nice hotel in the middle of action. Was kind of wiped out with action in Phnom Penh, I guess old body cannot handle like 10 years ago. Went for a massage which was good. Cost 300 baht. Plenty of bars on the street but hardly anybody inside. All the girls are outside trying to solicit customers. Talked to couple of good looking ones but I did not bite.

Slept well and let us see what happens today. Want to visit new temple of truth.

Pattaya is well known for everyone so no need for situation report.

[BPalacio]

Curious what you fellas are getting quoted for TF women? When I was in Patts in February I was paying 1500, sometimes 2000 for ST. This is pretty reasonable for my budget and I have qualms paying that, but curious to see if it's low, average, high? Funny enough the 2000 rates were usually when I ST an African woman. Most Thai broads were happy with 1500 off of TF.

[Mr Enternational]

Curious what you fellas are getting quoted for TF women? When I was in Patts in February I was paying 1500, sometimes 2000 for ST. This is pretty reasonable for my budget and I have qualms paying that, but curious to see if it's low, average, high? Funny enough the 2000 rates were usually when I ST an African woman. Most Thai broads were happy with 1500 off of TF.Why would you pay what you are quoted, when you can pay what you negotiate (especially when you have qualms paying it)?

[Explorer8939]

There's an Idiot you Tuber. He goes on dates with prostitutes in South East Asia. Assuming like Exploring says many have boyfriend's.

He is getting Threats on his Social Media accounts now. Of what nature I'm not sure as I don't follow him much.

Be careful of Bragging or showing your exploits on Media of Social s.

It's always I hear Boyfriend's are fine with us,. I'm not so sure about that. No need to Rile them up.Thai boyfriends in Pattaya come in 2 flavors. Those that make money off their "girlfriend" (they are happy when their lady is making money), and those who don't. If a bargirl has a boyfriend who isn't collecting from her, she is constrained to telling him she works "only drink" and can't go LT with customers. If she works in an open bar, she may not even be able to do ST.

[BPalacio]

Why would you pay what you are quoted, when you can pay what you negotiate (especially when you have qualms paying it)?Whoops, meant to say I have NO qualms paying 1500 for ST. I'm just curious if it's par for what the rest of you folks are paying.

[Raj Patela]

Let me explain how I operate, it's probably similar to anyone who stays in Pattaya for a long time.

In the case where I want a new lady, I will hit the bars. I will buy some drinks, and if the lady is acceptable, I will barfine her to go back to the condo for drinks.

Once in the condo, I will set up tequila for her, and my drinks for me. I have colored LEDS, like a bar, big screen TV and YouTube with no ads. I start off playing Reggeton, which is great for the ladies, since most Farangs don't play that in the bars. After some tequila is consumed, I will change to Isaan music, depending on the age of the lady, varying from Nescafe to Lam Yai, to Jintara.

At that point, the lady usually loves to talk about herself (they have zero interest in me), or her customers. If she has a sponsor, she will complain what an a* the guy is. As long as the lady is talking about herself, she is happy.

This is not to say there aren't duds, some ladies don't like to drink, and just want a quick fuck. I even had one lady who told me she wasn't having her period, and then said she had her period once in the condo. The bad ones are no repeats.

Most ladies will make their move after 3 hours or so, and hit the bedroom. Not because they are horny, but because it's their job. A small percent *are* horny, which is a problem for me, because they want to fuck too long.

Over time, I get a harem of ladies in my rotation. So, my problem isn't finding ladies, or money, it's time for all of them, at least in Low Season.

I know this isn't too useful for someone in Pattaya for 3 days, but lots of people stay in Thailand for 2+ weeks. As long as you don't get hooked by one lady, you have time to make a rotation.I am impressed. Good job.

1. Sharks. 9 pm. 2 customers. You might think Wow. It's always like that. Hahaha.

2 . Horny Bar Soi 6. A Korean barfined what looks like an 8. I was impressed, might have been Silicone, if so a big no go for me but her Face was Grade A.

As for the rest 1,000 would be acceptable,. Who knows.

3. That open air corner Bar Soi 6 Beach Road entry. On the busy side.

Look like 2 new server types. Wow they were Hot-. No silicones.

If you guessed. Silicones are just a no go for me.

[CaliGuy33]

Whoops, meant to say I have NO qualms paying 1500 for ST. I'm just curious if it's par for what the rest of you folks are paying.I have been paying 1,000. The ones that balk at 1,000, if I really want to see them, I tell them 1,000 and if sevice is good I will tip 200. That usually gets them through the door. But I only tip if the service is good. The most recent lady I saw under this proposition, the service was average at best so I handed her 1,000 at session's end and she made no hesitation or utterance signaling that she thought she deserved a tip. Out the door she went, never to be repeated.

[Downandup]

Curious what you fellas are getting quoted for TF women? When I was in Patts in February I was paying 1500, sometimes 2000 for ST. This is pretty reasonable for my budget and I have qualms paying that, but curious to see if it's low, average, high? Funny enough the 2000 rates were usually when I ST an African woman. Most Thai broads were happy with 1500 off of TF.ST can be anything from 1000 to 5000, I usually pay 1000 to 1500 with the odd girl that's 2000. I don't go with the 5000 girls as you can see that they are managed by a pimp.

[Explorer8939]

ST can be anything from 1000 to 5000, I usually pay 1000 to 1500 with the odd girl that's 2000. I don't go with the 5000 girls as you can see that they are managed by a pimp.Who is managed by a pimp in Pattaya?

[Mr Enternational]

Who is managed by a pimp in Pattaya?Don't know if I reported on it, but I did have a TF chick last month that told me that was the case. Definitely did not pay her 5000. I think I arranged the usual 1200 LT. But when the girl was about to leave early is when I found this out. It seems she had no idea what our agreement was. I told her to look in her phone at our messages. Well our messages were not in her phone. She said there are several phones and it was her girlfriend that makes the arrangements then send her or other chicks. She said it is common for chicks on TF to work that way.

I think it was the same with a chick I had a few months back as well. She had to get home because the Tom had the baby and doesn't know anything about kids. It was not her baby, but a friend asked her to watch the baby a few months ago and never came back to get it. LOL. Thai people are something else.

[SubCmdr]

Just a theory given to me by someone way more experience and that has way more style than many of my haters that are out there. But it makes sense to me. After all I am newbie. How long have been in Pattaya so far?

When you get a girl that shows up that is not the girl in the photos on the Thai Friendly (TF) account you were looking at. The chance exists that it is a pimp working the page and when they get a live one they just send out a girl that looks similar to the photos and hope she does not get rejected. I have no proof of this.

I actually have had that experience. Girl from TF that showed up was not in the pictures. Did not have the same tattoos. But she was even hotter that the girl in the pictures. Performance was outstanding! Missionary, Doggy, BBBJCIM.

1000 THB

I gave her 1100 THB. She gave me back 100 THB. I gave it back to her and told her it was for her taxi. She thanked me.


Who is managed by a pimp in Pattaya?What information have you presented to prove there are no pimps in Pattaya?

[Explorer8939]

Don't know if I reported on it, but I did have a TF chick last month that told me that was the case. Definitely did not pay her 5000. I think I arranged the usual 1200 LT. But when the girl was about to leave early is when I found this out. It seems she had no idea what our agreement was. I told her to look in her phone at our messages. Well our messages were not in her phone. She said there are several phones and it was her girlfriend that makes the arrangements then send her or other chicks. She said it is common for chicks on TF to work that way.

I think it was the same with a chick I had a few months back as well. She had to get home because the Tom had the baby and doesn't know anything about kids. It was not her baby, but a friend asked her to watch the baby a few months ago and never came back to get it. LOL. Thai people are something else.What you are describing is an agency, not a pimp. Typically, high end customers use agencies, and pay top dollar. I took an agency lady to Phuket last month. Paid low dollar.

[SubCmdr]

Not really. It is called developing nation culture. Those with western backgrounds who would be considered to be privileged in the world, have no idea, nor do they spend anytime learning about that type of culture. Things that visitors comment on that I read all over the ISG forums about how different the culture is from their own and their surprise can be traced right back to them being born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Don't believe me. Do your own research in to what it takes net worth and income wise to be in the top 1% worldwide and in different nations around the world. Then stop laughing.


I think it was the same with a chick I had a few months back as well. She had to get home because the Tom had the baby and doesn't know anything about kids. It was not her baby, but a friend asked her to watch the baby a few months ago and never came back to get it. LOL. Thai people are something else.Shaking my head.

I just filled up the tank on my girlfriends moto for 380 THB. She thanked me profusely. Told me she has never had a full tank before. She just buys 100 THB at a time. I thought that was fucking expensive given the little amount fuel that thing holds. She told me she thinks it will last her a month. Yep, western people with their privileged attitudes are something else.

[MongerHunger]

Who is managed by a pimp in Pattaya?Don't be naive, it's Thailand. Every freelancer is not "Free" or even every working girl.

[Downandup]

Who is managed by a pimp in Pattaya?I've seen enough girls that seem to speak fair English in their messages and then can barely speak a work when you meet them and don't remember the conversation. Then I have heard many complaints about groups of girls working off a shared number etc. Also some TF girls with similar, literate but bizarre profiles.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

I've seen enough girls that seem to speak fair English in their messages and then can barely speak a work when you meet them and don't remember the conversation. Then I have heard many complaints about groups of girls working off a shared number etc. Also some TF girls with similar, literate but bizarre profiles.I found this is Hua Hin a few months ago.

The 19 yo SYT I had a session with delivered up everything I wanted (BBFS and CIP).

Later when talking to her again, I found out she had other friends available too, all working off the same profile, and other profiles.

So I asked her if they also did BBFS, CIP, she answered no, nobody does that.

I saw the not quite right flag and went to myself hold on now, and probed the entity I was chatting with.

Turned out it was either a her or a she, never quite worked that out, and they were running a TF based, apartment (like FiwiFans), outcall, and massage shop for overflow setup.

They even admitted later in conversation that the girls had previously worked FiwiFans setups in Bangkok.

Now if they could do that in Hua Hin, they could likely do the same easily of TF in Pattaya.

[BPalacio]

Interesting. Never thought TF broads would have pimps. Though from the sound of it some of those cases just sound like their friends / a girl-collective just working together rather than reporting to a pimp. I always wondered about the bizarre disconnect between english via text and then nadda when we meet face to face. I had thought it was just Google translate, but then again you could usually tell because the grammar is off. These broads are coordinated and crafty, huh.

[XXL]

It now seems to be established practice at Soi 6 for comparatively young better-looking girls to expect more than the standard 1000. Sometimes they will quote their price, sometimes they will first ask "how much you give me"? Maybe nothing has changed and they're only the same girls as those who have always wanted lady drinks before going to the room.

[SoberHans69]

I'm quite picky and all the girls I've asked on this trip from Soi 6, bar one, asked for 2 k ST, the other asked for 1. 5 k, all of them immediately accepted 1. 5 k and I didn't buy any of them a drink.

Just been quoted 4 k for ST by a girl on Thai Friendly, unfortunately some idiot will probably pay but it won't be this idiot.

[Explorer8939]

I've seen enough girls that seem to speak fair English in their messages and then can barely speak a work when you meet them and don't remember the conversation. Then I have heard many complaints about groups of girls working off a shared number etc. Also some TF girls with similar, literate but bizarre profiles.The bargirls use something called "Google Translate".

[LittleBigMan]

Interesting. Never thought TF broads would have pimps. Though from the sound of it some of those cases just sound like their friends / a girl-collective just working together rather than reporting to a pimp. I always wondered about the bizarre disconnect between english via text and then nadda when we meet face to face. I had thought it was just Google translate, but then again you could usually tell because the grammar is off. These broads are coordinated and crafty, huh.I agree with you, I've first came to Thailand Pattaya, in the mid 70's just for a few days to see a friend in service. Years later in the mid 1990's at that time I came with a number of cousins from the States and another from Hong Kong who were very connected to the scene here.

Then I kind of went with the flow of things those days I really enjoyed the Soapy it was cheap and the service was top notch at least for me. I was taken to a few places I would call local working girl houses in my neck of the woods, a bunch of girls in a room on couches not in fish bowls, which they were called line up, none I remember could speak a lick of English, the thing that sticks there was a guy papasan who handle the whole thing with my cousin from Hong Kong what turn me off was mentioned of service, do I like them young, virgin, etc. LBM don't play that kiddy fucker thing nor do I do girls against their will I politely decline and pass on the place. I still remember the general area for the place, across from Nana other side of Sukhumvit, in Pattaya it was on the side street across from Big see extra then even before Carrefour there was nothing.

This is the closes I've encountered to a Pimp situation and in all my years living here with Thais, not even behind the Esso gas station what I refer years ago to the Thai Soi 6, seen Thai guys hanging around but talking to the girls nothing in the line these guys were pimps.

In all my years living here with Thai locals in the Thai so-called mafia or BIB mafia once they find out would crack down quickly but funny they will turn a blind eye with a nice brown envelope to Children and sex trafficking.

It might seem like a pimp move but more like a friend usually a boyfriend or Tom showing them the ropes on how to make some money.

[Explorer8939]

Interesting. Never thought TF broads would have pimps. Though from the sound of it some of those cases just sound like their friends / a girl-collective just working together rather than reporting to a pimp. I always wondered about the bizarre disconnect between english via text and then nadda when we meet face to face. I had thought it was just Google translate, but then again you could usually tell because the grammar is off. These broads are coordinated and crafty, huh.Not ladies working together. A tiny number work for an agency that sets up customers with ladies. I have seen the websites:

https://www.pattayaescortgirls.com/

Not the same as a pimp.

[Nixonbd]

It now seems to be established practice at Soi 6 for comparatively young better-looking girls to expect more than the standard 1000. Sometimes they will quote their price, sometimes they will first ask "how much you give me"? Maybe nothing has changed and they're only the same girls as those who have always wanted lady drinks before going to the room.Many girls have to meet their drink quota before they can be barfined. Especially if the girls is working under a "contract".

[Mr Enternational]

Not really. It is called developing nation culture.And in how many developing countries do people ask a friend to babysit their newborn baby and then disappear for months, years, or forever? This scenario has been told to me time and time again in Thailand. Never heard it in Colombia. Never heard it in Brazil. TIT!

[Explorer8939]

Many girls have to meet their drink quota before they can be barfined. Especially if the girls is working under a "contract".You are serious about this?

A bargirl is on a 10 day contract, but cannot be barfined the first few days because she hasn't met her drink quota yet?

Well, I guess that ends all the FOB stories.

[Raj Patela]

Her name is Tao Bin.

Nice white skin you know the Drill.

1st met her she charged 25 (00). A few months go on she decides to up price to 45 (00).

At 25 (00) business was Brisk. At 45 (00) business was non existent.

Did she raise price to 65 (00) to make up for No business at 45 (00)?

No way in San Jose. She is a bright girl and went back down to 25 (00).

I indulged heavily at 25 but Never at 45. She should try 35 to be honest, her product is Fine.

Tao Bin is a Vending Machine franchise. Principal Holds though. You price yourself Fair you will make money. Yes I do think Walking Street is over priced.

[Paolo99]

A bargirl is on a 10 day contract, but cannot be barfined the first few days because she hasn't met her drink quota yet?It's more like you are requested to pay her one (or a few) LDs before being able to take her out of the bar until the next day.

[Paolo99]

It now seems to be established practice at Soi 6 for comparatively young better-looking girls to expect more than the standard 1000. Sometimes they will quote their price, sometimes they will first ask "how much you give me"? Maybe nothing has changed and they're only the same girls as those who have always wanted lady drinks before going to the room.It's not something new, already been the case a few months ago.

Some girls are trying to pin a starting price at 1500 (some others at 2 K) but you're not entitled to pay that price. There is always room for negotiation but it can be done better when you're sitting with her in the bar in front of your drink and her LD than standing in the street in front of her bar. I still can get some girls I want at 1 K,some others don't want to get that low, then I decide if I like her a lot or not and adjust my price accordingly or move on (I paid only once 1,5 K, every others were below).

[SuperLove]

I am currently in Pattaya for a mongering trip. I have been active on TF for a long time. Yes there are pimps and can be spotted when they reply to your messages or share PM's. Some girls have multiple accounts as well. I guess what I am trying to say here is TF is not scam free, one must be careful. Never pay in advance and never expect a girl that matches to her profile 100%. Idea is to be smart and keep multiple back ups to avoid a dry spell. Day before I had a girl in room while 2 other girls were waiting for me in the lobby. I told them I am with a girl in room for ST and they should wait for an hour and guess what they were fine with it. Next hour I was with another girl for ST and 2 more were waiting for me in the lobby. If I don't like a girl I'll choose another one without losing time. I am hard pressed for time and don't like the waiting game. I'll share my reports later. Njoy and keep banging hard.


Interesting. Never thought TF broads would have pimps. Though from the sound of it some of those cases just sound like their friends / a girl-collective just working together rather than reporting to a pimp. I always wondered about the bizarre disconnect between english via text and then nadda when we meet face to face. I had thought it was just Google translate, but then again you could usually tell because the grammar is off. These broads are coordinated and crafty, huh.

[LittleBigMan]

I've noted this a number of times. Many times although they speak some English the translation or explanation isn't what one thinks it is?

Bars and contract I'm sure it happen anything is possible sine from my experience many bar owners got more money than brains. I've not heard of a place that wouldn't allow a girl leave because they haven't met their quotas. I've known a couple when Covid opened they never completed their contract just took a walk left money on table because of unreasonable terms place or a misinterpreted. I've come across a few owners and managers that Forest Gump would give them a run for their money.

Thai culture! Our minimum Thais can't meet? I keep this under my breathe but Thai have kids that is what is taught to them you got to pass on your genes. Their standand of love, care I questionef easy to have them but clueless thereafter. Having kids is tough there is no real way but in the West you are taught alternatives here nothing especially the poor they do what has been done in past by parents and family. Like pets dogs they are so cute but thereafter school age they can seem for them to grow up like Soi dogs once they are of age no longer cute tough to control theycarevtge put out this the reason there are hundred if not thousand living in packs on Soi on the Darkside.

I see kids in my village at 4-5 years on their own playing on the Soi sharing drinks candy while parents are sleeping I tell my son " I have a CD " on their future majority of the time I'm correct it isn't rocket science. Like my granddaughter my son I watch them like a hawk so they don't get taken and sold. Years ago next Soi my village 7 year old. Girl the mother left to go to work felt the neighbor next door and others were trusted enough to watch basically leaving her 20 baht instruction if hungry dinner ask my wife to make her a dish my wife would keep a tap end of week square up. This is very common from my experience. One day she went missing the look high and low dredged the pond in the neighborhood day later a sidecarts vendor remember spotting her with the neighbor after questioning she confused to wanting the girl cheap phone neighbor needed money to but drugs told her a lie mother want me to take you to her work instead took her to this isolated reservoir strangled the kid took phone and sold it for 500 Hundred baht.

I see kids 13-15 having kids forcing male family to make payouts of 25-50,000 for breaking their daughters cherry, more if they find out mother is working at a bar or go-go, I know one who was asked 250,000, or they calling cops. When deal is done parents of daughter lost of face call it what people want tells the girl boys family she yours now to take care. You got kids leaving their kids and never looking back reason we guys are here writing it will never end this is their culture that they don't want to face. My brother step daughter BF mother left to sister when she got a BF left him at an orphanage my brother Thai son GF same mother left her at orphanage when she hook up with a farang the farang like most don't want someone else kids.

They! Thais have a different level of standard particularly the poor the ones who work in the profession but as an outsider if you were to say what I just wrote you looking at an volcano explosion. Does it happened yes usually it is left to a family member or a good friend. But I'm not one to say it doesn't happen.

[Explorer8939]

And in how many developing countries do people ask a friend to babysit their newborn baby and then disappear for months, years, or forever? This scenario has been told to me time and time again in Thailand. Never heard it in Colombia. Never heard it in Brazil. TIT!Not a realistic story.

If a young girl in the village has a baby, she leaves it with her family, or the family of the father.

[MartinFlevo]

Many girls have to meet their drink quota before they can be barfined. Especially if the girls is working under a "contract".Nuance. Many girls WANT to get the daily drink quota before barfine (aka if 10 days /60 drink contract she would do a barfine after 6 drinks). New in Pattaya, common on Phuket.

Bad development BTW.

[Paolo99]

Finally figured out a very probable reason why there has been a heavy Korean vlogger presence on / around Soi 6.

At least one of the bars on the Soi (panda bar) is Korean owned. They're trying to bring in the clientele they want (possibly by paying the vloggers for more exposure).


I know only of two K-streamers doing the soi consistantly and never saw them stopping by Panda bar.

Why? Easy, Panda has only old or unattractive girls.

The only guy I've seen going there is the guy distributing candies to the fatties of the soi.It's funny a few days after your post was edited K-streamer went there and did a live stream for quite some time.

You might be right that he's been paid for by the bar owner because the girl he streamed is really not the kind he would spend time with normally (a camera friendly girl again, these guys are recycling the same girls from one to another streamer).

On a side note I'll adjust my statement that all the girls are unattractive.

I went there a few days ago and found one that suited me very well (except she had some baby damage when she undressed), but I spent quite some time inside the bar and the immense majority looked really not impressive.

To my surprise the place was really packed inside, with lots of Asian customers (looked like K-men and J-men).

[Paolo99]

Years ago next Soi my village 7 year old. Girl the mother left to go to work felt the neighbor next door and others were trusted enough to watch basically leaving her 20 baht instruction if hungry dinner ask my wife to make her a dish my wife would keep a tap end of week square up. This is very common from my experience. One day she went missing the look high and low dredged the pond in the neighborhood day later a sidecarts vendor remember spotting her with the neighbor after questioning she confused to wanting the girl cheap phone neighbor needed money to but drugs told her a lie mother want me to take you to her work instead took her to this isolated reservoir strangled the kid took phone and sold it for 500 Hundred baht.Damn, that's typically the kind of horror stories I've been reading in the Cambodian news these last years, but it's the first time I read these stuffs about Thailand.

[Mr Enternational]

Not a realistic story.

If a young girl in the village has a baby, she leaves it with her family, or the family of the father.Except I am not talking about the village. I am talking about Pattaya. Definitely a realistic story because I have heard it several times. Even a chick that I used to mess with hard when I first moved to Pattaya did it. I did not even know she had a kid. Then years later I met some other chick and showed her May's picture. She told me that before I even knew her she had a kid and left it with a chick that worked at a salon and never came back to get it. She then married some doctor and moved to Germany. When I met her she had come back from Germany for holiday in Pattaya and was talking about breaking up with the guy. I ran into May a couple of years after the chick told me about the situation and asked her about it and she brushed it off and did not want to talk about it. She did not say that is a lie and not a realistic story.

[Allover]

When you get a girl that shows up that is not the girl in the photos on the Thai Friendly (TF) account you were looking at. The chance exists that it is a pimp working the page and when they get a live one they just send out a girl that looks similar to the photos and hope she does not get rejected. I have no proof of this.

What information have you presented to prove there are no pimps in Pattaya?You are asking for proof yet you comment without proof.

[Raj Patela]

Across Central there is a new Beer Bar complex. Quite big. I think it's name is Beer Bar Complex. Hahaha.

Nana Plaza School Girl might be a Star here. Hahaha.

Only thing I can imagine is every Bar is backed by Farang BF money. Nothing else makes sense.

Buzzin Bar wasn't Buzzin outside.

I wanted to sit down before going to Soi 6 so I had a seat in Crystal Club.

Nana Plaza School Girl could be top Bargirl here. Hahaha.

Strolled Lengkee and Chaiyapoon.

Nana School Girl could give lessons to these workers, they look lazy. Hahaha. Can't blame them I was only customer in sight.

[Explorer8939]

Everyone is complaining about the rain in Pattaya, which keeps customers away from the bars. Rainy season should be over by now.

[SubCmdr]

I'm quite picky and all the girls I've asked on this trip from Soi 6, bar one, asked for 2 k ST, the other asked for 1. 5 k, all of them immediately accepted 1. 5 k and I didn't buy any of them a drink.

Just been quoted 4 k for ST by a girl on Thai Friendly, unfortunately some idiot will probably pay but it won't be this idiot.They absolute pay it. Found a hot one off of TF with the body type the I like. Laughed at my 1000 THB. Said I was a "cheap brother". Told me that the "Brothers" pay her 3000 - 5000 THB and sometimes not even to have sex. Bragged that she was eating lunch at that very moment with someone who gave her 3000 just to hang out.

[LittleBigMan]

Damn, that's typically the kind of horror stories I've been reading in the Cambodian news these last years, but it's the first time I read these stuffs about Thailand.The stories are there, this story isn't going to be out there for tourists to see the majority of the time it is going to be on the 7 pm Thai news that is why it is " Land of Smile "

[Sky Ryder]

At the risk of proving I am hopeless, I would like to pose a question. * I think I know most of what the responses will be, but who knows, maybe something different will come up that I had not thought of.

I have made 5 trips to Patts this year, so have a reasonable idea of the lay of the land. * By no means an "expert". * At this point in my existence I am well passed how many ST's can I accomplish in a single day. * My desire is to find a "girlfriend" for a few hours. * I am interested is something that would include her getting reasonably dressed up, out for drinks / dinner maybe finding a place for some music or an upscale lounge afterwards, then finish the evening with an hour or two of adult playtime in my hotel. * I prefer not to have overnights since I get up early and also do not intend to stay out late (1:00-2:00 am).

Yes, I understand this is a "dream arrangement" and not likely to come to fruition, but IMHO it is worth a bit of effort to pursue. * I will give my ideas of how to maximize the chances of a non-resident achieving the goal and anyone is encouraged to offer opinions or something I had not thought of to increase the odds of success.

I use TF a LOT when in town, usually starting a few days before I arrive. * I have found that many if not most ladies are really focused on ST only and are not really interested in an arrangement for the evening. * Also, not sure that a lot of them have the conversation skills to make it worth the effort, no matter how hot they may be. * I usually target 23-32 yr olds in my search, but am open to suggestions. * I tend to enjoy the 28-35 age range as I have found they have a bit more appreciation when a gentleman treats them well, and are better skilled in the art of pleasing a man.

I have thought about cruising the massage shops in the early afternoon, finding something that suits my eye, having her do a foot massage to get a feel for compatibility, then bar fining her out of the shop for the rest of her shift and go from there. She could go home and get dressed and we could meet and some rooftop bar for cocktails and continue from that. **.

Bar fine one of the gals from a GClub for the evening, as they are accustomed to entertaining a customer to elicit LD's and those clubs tend to open early in the afternoon to be able to make arrangements.

This one is a bit "out there", but chatting up some nice lass at a retail location and see if she has interest in supplementing her income. * A lot could go wrong with this approach and not sure how it would be received. * Don't want to be labeled and as a perv.

See if I can find a "tour guide" to show me the "nightlife" which would include dinner / drinks. * Again, this may lead to a handshake after dinner, but has potential. * The problem is where to advertise for the guide or find them on there own. * I am not really good with FB, and am not sure if that is a good source.

Find a "service" that curates ladies just for this type of event. * I am sure the prices would be eye watering, but for a single evening might be worth an investment.

That is my list, and any suggestions are encouraged.

I am well aware that I am opening the door to ridicule and all sorts of "slings and arrows", while it may not appear to be the case I am fairly adept at navigating the P4 P scene, but as I said, always open to opportunities I may have not considered.

TIA.

Sky.

[Sky Ryder]

At the risk of proving I am hopeless, I would like to pose a question. * I think I know most of what the responses will be, but who knows, maybe something different will come up that I had not thought of.

TIA.

Sky.Sorry about the asterisks, no idea why they appeared.

[SubCmdr]

I use TF a LOT when in town, usually starting a few days before I arrive. * I have found that many if not most ladies are really focused on ST only and are not really interested in an arrangement for the evening. * Also, not sure that a lot of them have the conversation skills to make it worth the effort, no matter how hot they may be. * I usually target 23-32 yr olds in my search, but am open to suggestions. * I tend to enjoy the 28-35 age range as I have found they have a bit more appreciation when a gentleman treats them well, and are better skilled in the art of pleasing a man.Brother just ask for what you want on TF. I have no problem finding girls that want to go out. But I ask them if they are interested in more than just a ST customer. To achieve what you want you may need to have a meet and greet to check compatibility before. You can make it strictly platonic and pay for their taxi and coffee, tea or drinks. Or you can do like I do and tell them they are going to have to talk with me an hour and check chemistry before we do our ST session. Never been a problem.

Look I have chatted up a girl I liked on the Bath Bus. She is a non. Pro. There are some dumb mother fuckers up in here that challenged me. Thinking only with their dick and lack of imagination. But I know what she is. Not pressed at all to get with me. Goes to class everyday. And has made almost zero effort to meet me. Yet, we still talk. Maybe someday we will meet. But it is not high on her list priorities. Now to the dumb ass who said: "She could be selling it every night" well she could be. But she is not trying to sell it to me. LOL!.

As for the critics, simply do not pay attention to them. If they don't have anything to constructively add as I have done simply ignore them. There are those that talk and those that do. Be a man in the arena brother. Like I am!

[MartinFlevo]

Sorry about the asterisks, no idea why they appeared.Short version. You look for a real GFE experience. Would probably qualify as longtime because you want to spend more hours.

This is possible however a bit hard and nobody would be able to give you a straight answer (visit girl x) because it seems chemistry between you and the lady is ALSO important.

Your best bets are TF (but as you said a lot just look for ST) or a working chick. My advise would be to ignore massage ladies (probably most are too old for you) and I would also avoid soi6.

Because you want someone who can holds a conversation it means she needs to speak English at a decent level. Well. That probably means she's working in Pattaya long time or have some higher education?

Maybe try a normal shop if you see someone who you like there?

[Expat American]

At the risk of proving I am hopeless, I would like to pose a question. * I think I know most of what the responses will be, but who knows, maybe something different will come up that I had not thought of.



Sky.What you are seeking used to be very easy to find. I have had it happen several times in Bangkok and Pattaya where I met a girl and clicked and spent lots of time together with amazing sex on top. But now the whole scene is too commercial. Short time, quick money. The girls are not looking for a foreign knight in shining armor any more. I think Pattaya is too much of a sex destination and every visitor is labeled (rightly so) as a sex tourist. You are likely to have better luck in Bangkok. But overall lack of English will continue to be an issue. In that regards Philippines is a better bet.

[Explorer8939]

You wonder why I rant about sponsors?

I posted about a bargirl who sponsor had a moment of lucidity and realized that she only loved him for his money. So, he cut her off. The first thing she did was to ask me for a "date".

But then, he sunk back into loneliness and sent her some money. So, she was a no-show for our "date". No message with an excuse, she just ghosted me.

Of course, that takes her out of my rotation, so the next time he cuts her off, she is out of luck.

[Nixonbd]

At the risk of proving I am hopeless, I would like to pose a question. * I think I know most of what the responses will be, but who knows, maybe something different will come up that I had not thought of.

I have made 5 trips to Patts this year, so have a reasonable idea of the lay of the land. * By no means an "expert". * At this point in my existence I am well passed how many ST's can I accomplish in a single day. * My desire is to find a "girlfriend" for a few hours. * I am interested is something that would include her getting reasonably dressed up, out for drinks / dinner maybe finding a place for some music or an upscale lounge afterwards, then finish the evening with an hour or two of adult playtime in my hotel. * I prefer not to have overnights since I get up early and also do not intend to stay out late (1:00-2:00 am).

Yes, I understand this is a "dream arrangement" and not likely to come to fruition, but IMHO it is worth a bit of effort to pursue. * I will give my ideas of how to maximize the chances of a non-resident achieving the goal and anyone is encouraged to offer opinions or something I had not thought of to increase the odds of success..That's a kind of relationship you need to cultivate over time. Undoubtedly, you'll not find it from a bargirl. The difficulty is that you risk finding what you want on a TF response, but the girl turns out to be a total dud. For most Pattaya girls, it's all about the money. My advice is to just stick to ST and keep your losses to a minimum.

[Raj Patela]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQQDaTobtlA

Please compare these to Nana Plaza Schoolgirl.

Lets say 3 categories. Superstars, Average, Beach Road Quality.

Would you place Schoolgirl in same category as these 2? Average Category?

I went to Repent on Wednesday didn't see these 2.

[Explorer8939]

How to tell the age of a bargirl:

The longer she stays after you pay her, the older she is.

[Explorer8939]

Another sign of High Season beginning: my 2 pm lady ghosted me. No message with an excuse, but she did post on Facebook that she was with a customer.

As High Season intensifies, more ladies will flake out on me, until the Christmas holiday when no one will schedule with me (time to go to Brazil then).

I expect this High Season to be the busiest ever, barring some international calamity.

[ElMexicant]

I remember when there weren't models/hostesses and LD on WS were 100/120 baht, 60/80 baht on Soi 6 and G clubs. Does this mean the girls are making more per drink now or do the girls still make the same 50 baht they made at 120 baht LD as they do on 230 baht LD?

Higher prices means fewer drinks for the girls from me. I'm down to Panda, Cat Ears, and Cutest Girl Ever at Palace for drinks.





Buried in all our trash talk here are 2 very well thought out reviews by StL and Jim. Please go back a page and read them if you enjoy actual reviews that name bars and girls. Thanks guys for the information.Panda is now at XS, not at Palace. XS actually had the most girls now and probably better quality than all bars. Pin Up is scarce and redesigned (same owner). 79 Agogo is worth checking out, plenty of former WhatsUp girls. Okeamos is trash even with its 3 floors (VIP upstairs) and same style and quality as Bachelor LK. Same mamasan from there too.

[Raj Patela]

Another sign of High Season beginning: my 2 pm lady ghosted me. No message with an excuse, but she did post on Facebook that she was with a customer.

As High Season intensifies, more ladies will flake out on me, until the Christmas holiday when no one will schedule with me (time to go to Brazil then).

I expect this High Season to be the busiest ever, barring some international calamity.Even TAT is expecting a Slow High Season.

Plus when you have Thailand implementing a who knows what Tax scheme in 2024 that can't be good for Business.

My 330 days in Thailand might have to be cut down to 179 days.

[Raj Patela]

Gold Standard is Orange Haired Baitoey. Looks Only.

I met a girl not as pretty but very Acceptable Face. Nice Deameanor. A bit more Melatonin than I like. Bigger Sized.

Her 1st quote 2,000. I thought was Fare.

Biggest selling point was Grade A Tittie's. Perky original size Big be.

Soi 6.

Post wouldn't be Funny. Almost forgot. Her teeth not the Best of Shape. Different Directions. Hahaha.

I think I'll barfine though. Teeth aren't a deal killer.

[LittleBigMan]

Panda is now at XS, not at Palace. XS actually had the most girls now and probably better quality than all bars. Pin Up is scarce and redesigned (same owner). 79 Agogo is worth checking out, plenty of former WhatsUp girls. Okeamos is trash even with its 3 floors (VIP upstairs) and same style and quality as Bachelor LK. Same mamasan from there too.Did I miss the place, Where is Okeamos?

Haven't visit yet but last week was at King Kong for dinner, one of waitress recognized my cousin in conversation I ask owner a American? She pointed to table on corner owners Joint ownership Thai women and a Japanese guy interesting.

She also told us after visiting their new GoGo on WS, name One Stop GoGo, name might be wrong but I think someone mentioned it recently. Location sounds like former Pascha near Bacarra. From her reaction sounds expensive BF, I joked 600 baht she laughs that is Coconut bar price she double dips as a waitress and Agency girl at the GoGo.

[Raj Patela]

Tell me if this isn't Funny.

Explorer is Danderman123 on ASEAN News.

He post about high season,. His 2 Bargirls cancelled.

[SubCmdr]

What you are seeking used to be very easy to find. I have had it happen several times in Bangkok and Pattaya where I met a girl and clicked and spent lots of time together with amazing sex on top. But now the whole scene is too commercial. Short time, quick money. The girls are not looking for a foreign knight in shining armor any more. I think Pattaya is too much of a sex destination and every visitor is labeled (rightly so) as a sex tourist. You are likely to have better luck in Bangkok. But overall lack of English will continue to be an issue. In that regards Philippines is a better bet.Although people have labeled me as newbie, I have not found the commercial aspect to be universally true. But maybe that is because I am looking at things with fresh eyes and I do thing differently. But whenever you make judgements about an entire city, or industry I think you miss subtle aspects or the exceptions. For example, those who know that there are casinos in Las Vegas most likely understand that everyone who actually lives in Las Vegas is not a gambler.

I have plenty of girls on Thai Friend tell me they are not interested in short time. So, I pivot and say let's just meet over coffee tea or drinks and they come back with, no I am not interested because I know you will continue to look for girls. There are plenty of girls still looking for that that foreign man to do the things men used to do for girls (protect and provide). And they are willing to do the things that girls used to provide (fuck, cook, clean, take care of children). I speak from my experiences only for the short time (get the pun) I have been here.

As for the commercial aspect, I like it! Are we really coming to Pattaya to look for girlfriends? I know many men think they can pay for GFE. You cannot. It is an illusion. If you want true GFE you have to provide BFE (Boy Friend Experience). That requires more than a pocket full of THB (well at least for the guys not paying their prostitutes by bank transfer) and another pocket full of condoms.

[ElMexicant]

Did I miss the place, Where is Okeamos?

Haven't visit yet but last week was at King Kong for dinner, one of waitress recognized my cousin in conversation I ask owner a American? She pointed to table on corner owners Joint ownership Thai women and a Japanese guy interesting.

She also told us after visiting their new GoGo on WS, name One Stop GoGo, name might be wrong but I think someone mentioned it recently. Location sounds like former Pascha near Bacarra. From her reaction sounds expensive BF, I joked 600 baht she laughs that is Coconut bar price she double dips as a waitress and Agency girl at the GoGo.Okeamos is next to Dolls WS. Has a bunch of Chinese advertising all over the black sliding doors. 79 Club is where Pier used to be. A few other new ones on WS but if you see them once, you've seen them all. Lots of girls moved from Baccara to XS. I hate walking into a "new" club and some of the girls, staff, and a mamasans recognize you. They treat you as if you owe them something from yesteryears past. Some of the girls run when they see me because they gained weight or whatever. If I do the GoGo thing, it's just for music and to look. Long time old school guys like me have our long stable list of girls already. And it's true, the longer your are here or they know you, the better the pricing. Just as long as you don't try to compete with weekend millionaires for the 10 pm-2 am weekend time slot. Also don't be a shithead and break their hustles at the GoGo bars. Even if it means not saying "Hi" when you see them sitting with another guy they are trying to scam. Then they will give you a deal. I rather just pay 2000 for a GoGo bar girl for one hour or two hours, before she has to go to work or mid afternoon. Skip all the drinks and barfine BS. Keep in mind, this works only for guys who have a long history of rapport. Newbies they look at you stupid if you try to bargain like that. I tried that at 79 Club for a new never seen before girl and she said no. But then one who I've seen before months ago, readily took the deal for 2000 next day. Coconut Bar is all fucked up because they ripped up the side walk completely from Soi 12 to Central Festival. Girls have migrated to Buakhao and TreeTown. New mayor said no more stationary food carts most of the major roads like Pattayatai. Guess another one tries to clean up Pattaya.

[CaliGuy33]

Another sign of High Season beginning: my 2 pm lady ghosted me. No message with an excuse, but she did post on Facebook that she was with a customer.

As High Season intensifies, more ladies will flake out on me, until the Christmas holiday when no one will schedule with me (time to go to Brazil then).

I expect this High Season to be the busiest ever, barring some international calamity.Per YT videos I have watched, most expect a slow high season. I just left Pattaya a week ago and ladies are texting me to see them because "no customers at all. ".

Just because one lady flaked on you doesn't mean a busy high season has arrived.

[Explorer8939]

I know a Pattaya bargirl who is currently working in Oman. She's a spinner, which means she doesn't have too many customers.

So, she wants to come back to Pattaya, and has been polling her former customers for money for a ticket. Not only did she find a customer to send her cash (from Kuwait), but her long time sponsor has decided to pay for silicon for her nose and tits. He has no idea she is in Oman, she posts on FB as if she is still in the village.

Meanwhile, she asked me to take her on a quick trip abroad when she returns to Pattaya. I don't think she will tell her sponsor about that, either.

[Banana Boi]

don't be a shithead and break their hustles at the GoGo bars. Even if it means not saying "Hi" when you see them sitting with another guy they are trying to scam. Bang on. This is something that isn't discussed on here. Never walk up to a girl when she's drinking with another guy. I will do something subtle like touch her on the leg or say something in Thai as I walk by to let her know I'm there but won't say anything to her. Your girls will usually come up to you after you sit and tell you she'll be back after she milks the guy she's with for a few more drinks.

I don't follow this rule at a club like Windmill cause guys are only there to grope and finger and not try to impress girls by the number of drinks they can afford.

[Banana Boi]

Panda is now at XS, not at Palace.Nice. Thanks for the info. Really miss hanging out with her.


79 Agogo is worth checking out, plenty of former WhatsUp girls. Is my silly short haired girl there? The one from Apple Jacks or whatever that bar was called.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQQDaTobtlA


I like the second girl. Reminds me of my girl from Pussy Club years ago.

[Expat American]

Although people have labeled me as newbie, I have not found the commercial aspect to be universally true. But maybe that is because I am looking at things with fresh eyes and I do thing differently. But whenever you make judgements about an entire city, or industry I think you miss subtle aspects or the exceptions. For example, those who know that there are casinos in Las Vegas most likely understand that everyone who actually lives in Las Vegas is not a gambler.

I have plenty of girls on Thai Friend tell me they are not interested in short time. So, I pivot and say let's just meet over coffee tea or drinks and they come back with, no I am not interested because I know you will continue to look for girls. There are plenty of girls still looking for that that foreign man to do the things men used to do for girls (protect and provide). And they are willing to do the things that girls used to provide (fuck, cook, clean, take care of children). I speak from my experiences only for the short time (get the pun) I have been here.

As for the commercial aspect, I like it! Are we really coming to Pattaya to look for girlfriends? I know many men think they can pay for GFE. You cannot. It is an illusion. If you want true GFE you have to provide BFE (Boy Friend Experience). That requires more than a pocket full of THB (well at least for the guys not paying their prostitutes by bank transfer) and another pocket full of condoms.I would venture that 90% of the male visitors to Pattaya are there for sex. There a lot better beaches, a lot of places with better culture and better food than Pattaya. Pattaya=Pussy. Bangkok of course is a major city and people come there for many reasons. Here its more possible to meet a civvy. On my last trip the taxi driver from Nams Lady taxi was a cute girl in her mid 30's who flirted with me the whole ride to the airport and gave me her number to call her when I come back next time.

Of course as a resident things will work differently for you but the OP was coming as a visitor. My point was in years past, even as a 4 day visitor I could get a genuine GF (not GFE) from girls in both Bangkok and Pattaya. Ill never forget a girl I met outside Nana hotel that was the wildest sex fiend and fun company too. She stayed 3 days with me and I gave her $100 total and she was happy. It was more than just money. I saw her on multiple future trips. I have stories and videos to remember those days. Finding that now is a like the rainbow unicorn. Because its all too commercial.

Commercial has its purpose. Its fine to come point fuck and leave. But again, that's not what the OP was looking for.

[MartinFlevo]

Never walk up to a girl when she's drinking with another guy. Agree. He might be falling in love and thinking he found the only chick in Pattaya who not want his money and we don't want to burst that bubble.

[SubCmdr]

Per YT videos I have watched, most expect a slow high season. I just left Pattaya a week ago and ladies are texting me to see them because "no customers at all. ".

Just because one lady flaked on you doesn't mean a busy high season has arrived.I'm with you my ISG brother. In that week you have been gone I have not seen any changes. My regulars are still telling me the same think "I look for customer, but not find". High season may be on its way. But from the number of girls standing on beach road alone tonight at around 9 PM (Sunday) it has not arrived just yet. More pussy for me. Holla!

[Explorer8939]

I'm with you my ISG brother. In that week you have been gone I have not seen any changes. My regulars are still telling me the same think "I look for customer, but not find". High season may be on its way. But from the number of girls standing on beach road alone tonight at around 9 PM (Sunday) it has not arrived just yet. More pussy for me. Holla!One big issue now is the rain that falls every night. Keeps customers off the streets and out of the bars. Another is the Hamas war, which precludes more Israeli customers.

Having said that, business for the ladies is perking up.

[Banana Boi]

Pre-COVID high season usually started in the 2nd half of October and became noticeable the final week of October early November. However, even the couple of years prior to COVID high season was not really a thing if guys have been around long enough.

This is important. When I'm talking about High Season I mean an increase of the number of girls. Explorer and many other guys refer to High Season from a girl's perspective and means the number of guys. I couldn't care less how many guys there are. Give me more girls, period.

[SubCmdr]

Pre-COVID high season usually started in the 2nd half of October and became noticeable the final week of October early November. However, even the couple of years prior to COVID high season was not really a thing if guys have been around long enough.I don't really do the bar thing so I would not be in the position to notice the difference. But I will keep an eye out on beach road. Never seems to be a shortage of girls. If more to come that will be quite a sight.


This is important. When I'm talking about High Season I mean an increase of the number of girls. Explorer and many other guys refer to High Season from a girl's perspective and means the number of guys. I couldn't care less how many guys there are. Give me more girls, period.Interesting. I have not been here long enough to see a difference. I agree with you. More girls. It is just a pussy market under the same rules of supply and demand as any other market.

[Explorer8939]

Pre-COVID high season usually started in the 2nd half of October and became noticeable the final week of October early November. However, even the couple of years prior to COVID high season was not really a thing if guys have been around long enough.

This is important. When I'm talking about High Season I mean an increase of the number of girls. Explorer and many other guys refer to High Season from a girl's perspective and means the number of guys. I couldn't care less how many guys there are. Give me more girls, period.Unfortunately, what always happens:

At the end of Low Season, many ladies give up and go home. And new girls stop coming because of reports that Pattaya is "quiet".

Then High Season comes, and customers are jamming the bars. But ladies are relatively scarce. This allows them to command high prices.

As High Season comes to a close, ladies pour into Pattaya, hearing stories of bargirls making big money. So Low Season starts with an excess of bargirls in empty bars.

Shampoo, rinse, repeat.

So May or June is the best time to visit Pattaya. If you don't mind the heat.

[Banana Boi]

Guy needs yo learn how to leg sweep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gSZakNVSmQ

[ElMexicant]

Nice. Thanks for the info. Really miss hanging out with her.

Is my silly short haired girl there? The one from Apple Jacks or whatever that bar was called.



I like the second girl. Reminds me of my girl from Pussy Club years ago.Noi? No, she's not at 79 Club. That bar has the longest narrow set up I've seen ever. You can sit in any section and only see the girls in front of you. Imagine Palace set up, but 3 X the length longer. And the girls don't rotate stage to stage or on stage, they just flip their backs to you or their front. Shame on the designer. The good thing about 79 Club is their lighting. Not dark at all. I go pee just so I can walk to see all the girls on stage.

Speaking of ridiculous. There is some major decent new talent on Soi 6, but these "my style" girls were quoting 2500-3000 upstairs plus room charge and 1-2 drinks. That is RIDICULOUS. I adapted and paid 1500 for few of the better ones last time and even a couple of hotter ones at 2000. This was in a span of 5 months awhile back. But the hell if I am gong to pay 3000 for a Soi 6 girl. I thought my charm was going to get me the regular 1000 plus room and 1 drink price. WRONG. I wasted 3 drinks on 3 hot ones to get quoted of 2000 and 2500, plus room. I am not going to name bars or girls, so they can get their hustle on. But I need to heed my own advice. If you see a super HOT girl on Soi 6, "Ask them first how much before even buying 1 drink. ".

Girls know their worth. Luckily after 3 strikes, I found a girl who gave me a 1000 price. Her body was better than 2 of the 3 strike outs, face was decent enough. So once again, hot girl (my style) at Soi 6 just standing without drinks. There is a reason why. Ask ask ask. And if she gives a high price. Shake your head "no" and make an X with both arms to show "hell no". That will get them some silly unwanted attention from guys walking by. LOL.

[Raj Patela]

It's happening to me.

I thought the reports of Soi 6 girls not going with Customers was Fake News.

I can't even get to discussion of Price. They just not Interested.

[Explorer8939]

It's happening to me.

I thought the reports of Soi 6 girls not going with Customers was Fake News.

I can't even get to discussion of Price. They just not Interested.So many guys are buying drinks for Soi 6 ladies that the ladies can make good money just off drinks.

If a bargirl goes upstairs with a customer, she is not in the bar when idiot customers "ring the bell", and so loses free money.

[Paolo99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQQDaTobtlA

Please compare these to Nana Plaza Schoolgirl.

Lets say 3 categories. Superstars, Average, Beach Road Quality.

Would you place Schoolgirl in same category as these 2? Average Category?

I went to Repent on Wednesday didn't see these 2.I'm pretty sure that Beam is still there, they still post her pics everyday. If you're brave enough to go there in the afternoon you'll probably find her.

The other one seem to be gone, I wouldn't be surprised if she's been moved to another bar in the soi.

[Paolo99]

Speaking of ridiculous. There is some major decent new talent on Soi 6, but these "my style" girls were quoting 2500-3000 upstairs plus room charge and 1-2 drinks. That is RIDICULOUS. I adapted and paid 1500 for few of the better ones last time and even a couple of hotter ones at 2000. This was in a span of 5 months awhile back. But the hell if I am gong to pay 3000 for a Soi 6 girl. I thought my charm was going to get me the regular 1000 plus room and 1 drink price. WRONG. I wasted 3 drinks on 3 hot ones to get quoted of 2000 and 2500, plus room. I am not going to name bars or girls, so they can get their hustle on. But I need to heed my own advice. If you see a super HOT girl on Soi 6, "Ask them first how much before even buying 1 drink. ".

Girls know their worth. Luckily after 3 strikes, I found a girl who gave me a 1000 price. Her body was better than 2 of the 3 strike outs, face was decent enough. So once again, hot girl (my style) at Soi 6 just standing without drinks. There is a reason why. Ask ask ask. And if she gives a high price. Shake your head "no" and make an X with both arms to show "hell no". That will get them some silly unwanted attention from guys walking by. LOL.I would call this the K-streamers inflation. When you've got these guys (and probably all their K-followers) throwing racks of 5 tequilas just for the girl to sit there, it's normal they start thinking their shit doesn't stink. There's no way she will want to get banged for an hour upstairs for 1500 when she knows so many guys are willing to spend 750 on her just for sitting and making her happy.

Another thing I noticed is Koreans seem to prefer barfining the girl and taking her outside for the whole night instead of banging her for an hour which means a higher income for the girl plus a good night out plus she saves her pussy some damage she could get with repeated shortimes. Does anyone know if the girls get a comission on the barfine in soi 6?

[Raj Patela]

HAHAHAHAHA!

For those of you who wonder what GCgirls look like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZQH8N3_h-s

Camel Toe. Explorerer Recommended.

This is what 2 k long time ladies look like.

[LittleBigMan]

Okeamos is next to Dolls WS. Has a bunch of Chinese advertising all over the black sliding doors. 79 Club is where Pier used to be. A few other new ones on WS but if you see them once, you've seen them all. Lots of girls moved from Baccara to XS. I hate walking into a "new" club and some of the girls, staff, and a mamasans recognize you. They treat you as if you owe them something from yesteryears past. Some of the girls run when they see me because they gained weight or whatever. If I do the GoGo thing, it's just for music and to look. Long time old school guys like me have our long stable list of girls already. And it's true, the longer your are here or they know you, the better the pricing. Just as long as you don't try to compete with weekend millionaires for the 10 pm-2 am weekend time slot. Also don't be a shithead and break their hustles at the GoGo bars. Even if it means not saying "Hi" when you see them sitting with another guy they are trying to scam. Then they will give you a deal. I rather just pay 2000 for a GoGo bar girl for one hour or two hours, before she has to go to work or mid afternoon. Skip all the drinks and barfine BS. Keep in mind, this works only for guys who have a long history of rapport. Newbies they look at you stupid if you try to bargain like that. I tried that at 79 Club for a new never seen before girl and she said no. But then one who I've seen before months ago, readily took the deal for 2000 next day. Coconut Bar is all fucked up because they ripped up the side walk completely from Soi 12 to Central Festival. Girls have migrated to Buakhao and TreeTown. New mayor said no more stationary food carts most of the major roads like Pattayatai. Guess another one tries to clean up Pattaya.Thanks for the information on Okeamos, I will scope it out and check it off my list. Like you out I still enjoy the GoGo top of my list but it is just to relax and look. There is maybe two clubs at best where I know a few girls for long time I will buy drinks other than that I couldn't care less if the girl was Miss Universe my opinion the BF today is way out of whack no matter what color lip stick you put on the pig.

Like you, I have a few regulars and will give them a message or two and meet them on the side off days from their contract they have no problem with it as you noted I don't think it happens much for guys that are on holiday. When it comes to the new Mayor, who walked around in a T-shirt to get elected I'm one of the people who believe nothing changes it is dif.

Although I still like Bacarra the style of girls older more to my taste is becoming more and more annoying I was talking to a girl who works High Roller careful not to say the wrong thing she let it out of the bag they have problems. The male manager pushes the girls for drinks, two mamasan from the past are very annoying they aren't used to coming up asking for drinks and tips, one even as me to take her to dinner or maybe she was asking me to pay for her takeout. The old manager Lek, now at Peppermint, and head Mamasan Dao at IIvy, had class, I brought them drinks from them to time and they to me but never once came up and asked me or rubbed their neck that they were thirsty.

There are clubs opening on WS, but it seems to be getting worse. I've walked down Soi 6 from time to time, in regards to the girl posters talked about at Playpen, not seen her, I stood outside once staring in but the picture and in person are different the majority of the time for me but didn't see anything even close. For me, it has always been you need something but never can find it when you don't expect to find you do find a gem.

When it comes to the new mayor who ran around in his T-shirt claiming he is one of the people I express he is nothing but a crook like the many before him. Today he is rarely seen when you do he all dress up in a suit now. The former mayor is now on the run like Thaksin who taking brides for allowing the monument of corruption to stand at Bali Hi pier his brother who was appointed by corrupt puppet Chan O, stalled the investigation while the Mayor and warned the brother to get out of the country before the end of his term.

On a Thai website for complaining, I guess the Thais got sick and tired of me evading their webpage so they deleted the " translation " I noted the work would never end on Beach road, since it is the lifeline of corruption for the official and the mayor. Today after widening Beach Road 3-4 times. , pulling out the trees, and laying bricks they are at it again, pulling out the bricks they laid just prior to Covid and buying a whole new set they will replace and resurface until they get to the end reason for no parking on the beach side. In a year or two it will be done again you can't lay bricks on top of sand especially when it erodes as soon as it floods.

I recently criticized the Mayor for a photo op he did on Sukhumvit, he came out of his office closed the tunnel, and walked through it with an official because there were large complaints of motorbike using the tunnel it is restricted to cars only. His claim was over 5,000 bikers use the tunnel illegally and that this photo op was to let them know he had had it. I question the decision and purpose for closing it down to do the photo op and how he came up with the number of 5000, sure more and more are using it but 5000! One only has to stand on the end and do the numbers and it easy even close to a hundred. These guys are all crooks they don't run the city they are all part of the swamp nothing will ever change it is all smoke and mirrors.

[Banana Boi]

If a bargirl goes upstairs with a customer, she is not in the bar when idiot customers "ring the bell", and so loses free money.What are the chances she gets 20-30 drinks at 50 baht / drink in the hour it takes to earn the 1000-1500 baht?

Maybe they're loyal to their Sponsors! Hope no more HAMSTERS have died recently. Gets expensive when my girls ask me for 300 baht every 5 years.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

I just spent a short 3 night, 2 day visit to Pattaya.
....

Soi 6 - mid afternoon, quiet, but many OK girls spotted, partook very enjoyably.

Walking Street. Fun, pricey fun, Windmill good, XS over the top, SkyFall liked, didn't go back.

Soi 6 - late night was good, partook two nights with 7-8 lookers, 20 yo thin, including a threesome.

...
Now I'm a bit perplexed, not understanding the growing negative commentary about the quality and availability of girls on Soi 6.

I've seen a post just recently about Beam and one other, they are OK, but nothing sensational to me.

So please help me out.

These two girls, both 20, giggly, mid height, slim, shapely and slightly toned bodies, no fate anywhere, no babies, perfect pert be cups, perfect skin, some small tattoos.

Oh, and as at middle of September when I met them, they were still very fresh and happy, as had been there working just a month.

Braces are the negative, but not a problem, and of course they are temporary.

Personally I found them to be 7's, maybe low end 8's when taking account of attitude.

Where do they rate on your scorecards out of 10?

I will tell more about them once some scores are in.

Things like where they are, but you can see already, so prices, drinks required, negotiating time / games etc.

[Explorer8939]

What are the chances she gets 20-30 drinks at 50 baht / drink in the hour it takes to earn the 1000-1500 baht?

Maybe they're loyal to their Sponsors! Hope no more HAMSTERS have died recently. Gets expensive when my girls ask me for 300 baht every 5 years.Bargirls don't think like you.

If they go to the room with a customer, they might miss another customer who might buy them 20 or 30 drinks later on.

Plus, any other drinks when some customer rings the bell.

As long as idiots buy too many drinks for bargirls, they will want more baht to go to the room.

[Paolo99]

So many guys are buying drinks for Soi 6 ladies that the ladies can make good money just off drinks.

If a bargirl goes upstairs with a customer, she is not in the bar when idiot customers "ring the bell", and so loses free money.You're not well informed.

When she is upstairs she is still considered in the bar, so she will get the comission too, as if she was downstairs. The only thing she misses on is the drink in itself, but nobody cares about that.

Only the girls that have been barfined or didn't show up won't get the comission.

[Raj Patela]

What are the chances she gets 20-30 drinks at 50 baht / drink in the hour it takes to earn the 1000-1500 baht?

Maybe they're loyal to their Sponsors! Hope no more HAMSTERS have died recently. Gets expensive when my girls ask me for 300 baht every 5 years.I swear these bars and Agogos are leaving millions of USA dollars on the table concentrating on drinks. Do both you Numbskull Bars.

One barFine in total costs the customer $75.

2 drink cost $8. 00.

Do the math Fellas.

P.S. LBM playpen Baitoey has Orange hair. Please Opine on her Hotness. I've yet to see anything Hotter on that SOY.

[Explorer8939]

HAHAHAHAHA!

For those of you who wonder what GCgirls look like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZQH8N3_h-s

Camel Toe. Explorerer Recommended.

This is what 2 k long time ladies look like.Camel Toe is a MILF / GILF bar.

But, for about a m.

[ElMexicant]

I would call this the K-streamers inflation. When you've got these guys (and probably all their K-followers) throwing racks of 5 tequilas just for the girl to sit there, it's normal they start thinking their shit doesn't stink. There's no way she will want to get banged for an hour upstairs for 1500 when she knows so many guys are willing to spend 750 on her just for sitting and making her happy.

Another thing I noticed is Koreans seem to prefer barfining the girl and taking her outside for the whole night instead of banging her for an hour which means a higher income for the girl plus a good night out plus she saves her pussy some damage she could get with repeated shortimes. Does anyone know if the girls get a comission on the barfine in soi 6?These extreme cases only pertain to about 5-10 girls in the entire Soi 6 army of available girls. So I really don't blame the Koreans. It's the new strategy used by some of these Soi 6 bars. These girls I am talking about were no where to be found pre-COVID on Soi 6. They look better or as good as the nicer looking GoGo bar girls on WS. They were brought in as high price coyotes as the new business model for some Soi 6 bars. One night when I was at a Soi 6 bar, I grabbed what I thought was one of the best on Soi 6. We sat for a drink and 2 younger Koreans came in. She has mentioned she's been to Korea and went to school there. But of course, probably a bunch of lies. Her eyes lit up as they walked in and another girl walked by our table and made faces at her. I assume those two guys were her regulars or whatever. So feeling the competition. I plainly asked her her price to go upstairs right then and there. She quoted me 2000 and 400 for the room. I told her "no thanks" and she was off to their table for drinks. So I could of had her if I "lusted. " If Soi 6 ups their game, so need the guys who venture there. My MO is "we" have farms in Thailand with the Thai police to grow ganja. So I apparently am not a 9-5 office worker on a short holiday. She was a new girl, I was trying to impress. I am quite sure the girls told her that they've seen me tons of times over the past 6-8 years. I think that was why she was willing to grab a quick 2000 from me and perhaps try top get more in the long run. I have no time to play these games. My max is 1500 on Soi 6 or 2000 including anal. Room not included.

So while it's easy to blame Koreans, I did notice a couple of younger Arabic / Indian managers at a couple fo bars. My guess is so they can ripe in the Indian guys that hope to land some of these girls on Soi 6. I really don't blame anyone, except those of us that can't adapt to the change. It's like saying McD's food prices went up, but you aren't savvy enough to download the app and get all your free food stuff and discounts. Laundry up to 60-75 baht a kilo. Now I go to Otteri and do my own laundry for 70 baht total for 10 kilos. There is a way. Guys just need to stop up their game a but more and figure it out on their own. And it all starts with this rules on Soi 6.

1. See a girl you like.

2. Ask her immediately before even offering to buy 1 drink, how much short time and room price.

3. Pay the room charge or barfine first off she says "yes". That way nobody can steal her and she can't run off for drinks another table.

4. Then you can buy her a drink and then fuck afterwards.

Once I pretended I was drunk. Flashed 10,000 baht in my wallet. Told some Soi 6 hottie at Lust, that I wanted to bang first and then me, her, and a couple of her friends can drink shots afterwards. She accepted the 1000 plus 400 for the room. She thought it was going to be easy money, but I sure did sobered up quick and ragged her out. Afterwards, I just told her I don't feel like drinking anymore and had to meet my buddies on WS. Now everytme I walked by, she calls me "LIAR. " Oh well, my game is strong. LOL.

Don't get caught in the "dating" games which is if you like me, then show me, by buying me lots of drinks. Drinks goes towards their salary or contract. This is the same at the Gogo bars. Guys will try to "get to know" a girl with drinks. That is the dating game that will get guys hustled. If the girl says no or refuses to give you a boom boom price before first drink, then you move on. Be happy you saved money even in rejection. It could have been lots worse after 3-4 drinks and she said "no. " One girl quoted me 1500 barfine and 4000ST to take her out of Soi 6. That is more than Agogo pricing. That was when I found a 1000 gem afterwards that let me take pics and vids. Best gifts are the ones not asked for but the ones received in consolation.

[Explorer8939]

You're not well informed.

When she is upstairs she is still considered in the bar, so she will get the comission too, as if she was downstairs. The only thing she misses on is the drink in itself, but nobody cares about that.

Only the girls that have been barfined or didn't show up won't get the comission.I suspect the policy you cited varies from bar to bar.

If I were a customer who rang the bell, I would not be happy if the bar allocated my money to people not in the bar. Come to think of it, some people might ring the bell when they see there aren't many bargirls in the bar at that moment, and would not want to have to shell out cash for the ladies who are upstairs, or ran out to buy food, or are out smootching with their boyfriend, or maybe don't exist.

[Explorer8939]

I understand Angeles City in the Philippines is dead, killed by Koreans.

It would informative to know if the same death spiral is starting to happen in Pattaya. Specifically, Koreans paying top dollar, and making Pattaya too expensive for everyone else.

[Explorer8939]

Camel Toe is a MILF / GILF bar.

But, for about a m.Oops.

For about a month in 2021, Camel Toe was the only bar open in Pattaya. So, top ladies were working there. I probably posted about it a lot.

Now, its basically a Darkside MILF bar, not the same.

[MartinFlevo]

I swear these bars and Agogos are leaving millions of USA dollars on the table concentrating on drinks. Do both you Numbskull Bars.

One barFine in total costs the customer $75.

2 drink cost $8. 00.

Do the math Fellas.Well its obvious you don't run a gogo. I do the math for you.

I do in THB.

Let's say a gogo has 100 ladies. According to YOUR calculations they could have a MAX revenue of 2. 000 THB*100 = THB 200.000 a day.

In reality on average girls are barfined 1-2 times during their contract. SO that's 20%.

20% of 200.000 = 40.000 THB a day.

Your 200.000 THB a day only works if ALL ladies are barfined ALL the time. And who walks into an Gogo with not many ladies?

See the problem with your theory?

They do have 100 ladies working with a drink target of 5-6 a day. 200 THB a drink.

100 * 5 = 500 drinks * 200 THB = 100.000 THB a DAY.

Thats half of your target of 200 K.

Thats excluding ALL drinks for customers themselves.

Thats excluding all drinks ABOVE their target (if a lady not meet her drink target she pays for the drinks in full!

Thats excluding revenue from barfines (estimated at 40 K a night).

So how they operate now. Thats 100 K in drinks, 40 K in barfines. 140 K.

In your case to get 140 K (out of the 200 K revenue from barfines) = 70% barfine rate.

Not going to happen.

[Mr Enternational]

Where do they rate on your scorecards out of 10? I will tell more about them once some scores are in. Things like where they are, but you can see already, so prices, drinks required, negotiating time / games etc.Just look like normal ass chicks to me. I do not play the rating game though. If you like them then have fun. If you don't then find someone else. I used to have a chick at Wrath come over sometimes after work. Usual 1,000 LT. I have not talked to her since December though at which time she told me she was in Phuket. I posted about her a couple of times before. One was when I went there on her birthday and some guy on a video call had bought a bunch of drinks.

[IntBond0]

Best place for new years eve? Phuket, pattaya or Bangkok?

[TerryHintz]

I made sure to read a bunch about Bangkok and pattaya before making my plans so thanks everyone. I'm planning on a 6 day trip to Pattaya from Feb 16 to Feb 22. I'm currently deciding between staying at Talay 6 or LK the empress, they seem like they'd give good access to Terminal 21 and walking street so I could get to a bit of everything. I'm worried about my timing, wondering if anyone thinks my current timeline would be out of high season. It's tough negotiating with my job and a decently priced flight. I'd be landing in Bangkok too, but I'd be able to take a two hour bus or train to Pattaya. It's been fun planning my google doc with all the info. But yeah if you see something glaringly wrong with my plan please let me know. I'm also happy to scope a place out that someone's curious about or wants an update on, I'll add it to the list.

[Werqweq]

Guy needs yo learn how to leg sweep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gSZakNVSmQLOL. That's one angry ladyboy.

[Raj Patela]

LOL. That's one angry ladyboy.Not many Customers on Beach Road. What are the chances it's SubCommabder in the Clip.

[Raj Patela]

Well its obvious you don't run a gogo. I do the math for you.

I do in THB.

Let's say a gogo has 100 ladies. According to YOUR calculations they could have a MAX revenue of 2. 000 THB*100 = THB 200.000 a day.

In reality on average girls are barfined 1-2 times during their contract. SO that's 20%.

20% of 200.000 = 40.000 THB a day.

Your 200.000 THB a day only works if ALL ladies are barfined ALL the time. And who walks into an Gogo with not many ladies?

See the problem with your theory?

They do have 100 ladies working with a drink target of 5-6 a day. 200 THB a drink.

100 * 5 = 500 drinks * 200 THB = 100.000 THB a DAY.

Thats half of your target of 200 K.

Thats excluding ALL drinks for customers themselves.

Thats excluding all drinks ABOVE their target (if a lady not meet her drink target she pays for the drinks in full!

Thats excluding revenue from barfines (estimated at 40 K a night).

So how they operate now. Thats 100 K in drinks, 40 K in barfines. 140 K.

In your case to get 140 K (out of the 200 K revenue from barfines) = 70% barfine rate.

Not going to happen.All I'm saying is they should make it easier for the girls to get Barfined. 2,500 barfine isn't getting it done. WS has attractive girls but OMG that 2. 5 barfine is a turnoff.

Contrast that to Nana Plaza Rainbows where girls are being barfined all the time.

One barFine to the bar is 1,000 baht in income,. Repeat, rinse, wash. Girl, bar, customer Happy.

For the Love of Buddha some very attractive girls in Pattaya are just left to rot on the Vine.

[SubCmdr]

Not many Customers on Beach Road. What are the chances it's SubCommabder in the Clip.Pretty much zero, unless they are photographing me on the Bath Bus as I roll down beach road.

What are the chances that Raj Raj actually files a report that provides useful information on having sex with girls?

[Paolo99]

I suspect the policy you cited varies from bar to bar.

If I were a customer who rang the bell, I would not be happy if the bar allocated my money to people not in the bar. Come to think of it, some people might ring the bell when they see there aren't many bargirls in the bar at that moment, and would not want to have to shell out cash for the ladies who are upstairs, or ran out to buy food, or are out smootching with their boyfriend, or maybe don't exist.I talk about a Nightwish bar on soi 6, and given that they applie the same policy in all their bars, that's how it works in more than half of the soi.

I suspect that non-Nightwish bars do the same too, because it is in the favor of the bar's business.

Did you ever ring the bell? I never did it but I was there numerous time when these guys did it. They don't look around and count how many girls are around before ringing the bell, they know very well they are blowing some cash. Most of the time, there are well more than fifteen girls in the bar when they're doing this, no way they are going to check their bill one by one, especially when you know they are most of the time drunk when they do it.

And as I said earlier, it's in the favor of the bar to do it that way, it helps both the business and the girls, they would be stupid to not do it that way.

[AggieDad1]

I understand Angeles City in the Philippines is dead, killed by Koreans.

It would informative to know if the same death spiral is starting to happen in Pattaya. Specifically, Koreans paying top dollar, and making Pattaya too expensive for everyone else.Just a quick check and I found there are all ready more direct flights between Seoul / Inchon airport (18) to Bangkok, than Clark (3) and Manila (10) combined. So the Koreans already like Thailand. Just wonder if they bring their families to Thailand and use the Philippines for parties?

[Raj Patela]

I made sure to read a bunch about Bangkok and pattaya before making my plans so thanks everyone. I'm planning on a 6 day trip to Pattaya from Feb 16 to Feb 22. I'm currently deciding between staying at Talay 6 or LK the empress, they seem like they'd give good access to Terminal 21 and walking street so I could get to a bit of everything. I'm worried about my timing, wondering if anyone thinks my current timeline would be out of high season. It's tough negotiating with my job and a decently priced flight. I'd be landing in Bangkok too, but I'd be able to take a two hour bus or train to Pattaya. It's been fun planning my google doc with all the info. But yeah if you see something glaringly wrong with my plan please let me know. I'm also happy to scope a place out that someone's curious about or wants an update on, I'll add it to the list.So dangerous.

Come to Pattaya when you feel like it. Don't let the Scare Mongerer scare you.

It's not like Las Vegas where Hotels are sold out.

This past weekend apparently there was a Big Festival in Pattaya. I only read it in the Papers yesterday. Fri- Sun I had no clue.

Didn't see much difference in a tivity.

[MartinFlevo]

All I'm saying is they should make it easier for the girls to get Barfined. 2,500 barfine isn't getting it done. WS has attractive girls but OMG that 2. 5 barfine is a turnoff.

Contrast that to Nana Plaza Rainbows where girls are being barfined all the time.

One barFine to the bar is 1,000 baht in income,. Repeat, rinse, wash. Girl, bar, customer Happy.

For the Love of Buddha some very attractive girls in Pattaya are just left to rot on the Vine.You are right about the barfines being to high. But again. There is some "logic" in this.

1. Salaries have go up a LOT since covid for the ladies.

2. Lower barfines = Empty agogos what would hurt their drinking business.

3. Higher barfines = more chicks in the gogo, more attractive for customers, more drinking revenue.

A model makes about 20.000/10 days these days. With a 50 drink quota minimum (200 for a drink to make things easy).

50 x200 = 10.000 in drinks (revenue not profit). Barfine 1 k? That would be 10 k MAX (10 day contract) = 20 K. Basically meaning they are not making much money of the girl to justify the 20 K salary.

The owner (France dude) of Pinup told me his place would be empty if he lowered the barfine to precovid numbers before 10 pm.

[Raj Patela]

You are right about the barfines being to high. But again. There is some "logic" in this.

1. Salaries have go up a LOT since covid for the ladies.

2. Lower barfines = Empty agogos what would hurt their drinking business.

3. Higher barfines = more chicks in the gogo, more attractive for customers, more drinking revenue.

A model makes about 20.000/10 days these days. With a 50 drink quota minimum (200 for a drink to make things easy).

50 x200 = 10.000 in drinks (revenue not profit). Barfine 1 k? That would be 10 k MAX (10 day contract) = 20 K. Basically meaning they are not making much money of the girl to justify the 20 K salary.

The owner (France dude) of Pinup told me his place would be empty if he lowered the barfine to precovid numbers before 10 pm.The argument always comes up. But the Salaries are so high.

How many of the Pin Up girls are making Full salary.

15%. ?

I just day after day see Bars top tier to those that last 2 weeks without Customers.

9 n my way to Buakhao to eat dinner I walked thru Myth Beet Bar. Some of them are having Girls in Bikinis. LOL.

If I recall some were quite Acceptable as far as Looks go.

[JordCo]

I understand Angeles City in the Philippines is dead, killed by Koreans.

It would informative to know if the same death spiral is starting to happen in Pattaya. Specifically, Koreans paying top dollar, and making Pattaya too expensive for everyone else.It would play out a little different as Pattaya and Angeles are only similar in their purpose. Main differences are that there is really no need to go to Angeles once it started to get ruined due to the fact there's many other parts of Philippines to find girls in. Pretty much every part due to language easiness etc. Many just gave up on Angeles when Covid hit and didn't return. Whereas I know in Thailand there are some options but Pattaya does dominate that scene. There's a lot of money in Pattaya and it's not only Korean. Westerners are spending a lot too and more are coming. Whether that's a good or bad thing is yet to be seen.

[EihTooms]

Now I'm a bit perplexed, not understanding the growing negative commentary about the quality and availability of girls on Soi 6.

I've seen a post just recently about Beam and one other, they are OK, but nothing sensational to me.

So please help me out.

These two girls, both 20, giggly, mid height, slim, shapely and slightly toned bodies, no fate anywhere, no babies, perfect pert be cups, perfect skin, some small tattoos.

Oh, and as at middle of September when I met them, they were still very fresh and happy, as had been there working just a month.

Braces are the negative, but not a problem, and of course they are temporary.

Personally I found them to be 7's, maybe low end 8's when taking account of attitude.

Where do they rate on your scorecards out of 10?

I will tell more about them once some scores are in.

Things like where they are, but you can see already, so prices, drinks required, negotiating time / games etc.I'm not one to criticize the looks of people whose photos or other clear identifiable indicators such as typical attire, tag numbers and location are posted on a public forum. So only positive comments from me, that being I would agree with you they land somewhere around a 7. That is, a bargirl 7. Higher than the photo I saw of Beam.

Compared to non bargirls, maybe they are a 6. 5 at best. But they could be solid 8's compared to most Soi 6 bargirls. Assuming they match those photos in real life. And full body photos might change my mind as well.

Now, as you know for me the ranking of any P4 P girl is greatly influenced by what they will or won't agree to do for me in bed. So if those girls agreed upfront to DFK and BBFS+CIP or at least BBBJ+CIM for me, they would rank a more solid 8 in my book.

However, if they refused to do that for me, I would consider one Ladydrink each to have been a waste of my time and money and my sexual interest view of them would be no different than that of a potted plant. I don't think I have ever given a potted plant a rank any higher than a 1.

My Aunt Tilda had a pretty cute one on her window sill. But even that one could not get a 1. 5 ranking out of me even at the height of my puberty phase.

[PayForIt]

I made sure to read a bunch about Bangkok and pattaya before making my plans so thanks everyone. I'm planning on a 6 day trip to Pattaya from Feb 16 to Feb 22. I'm currently deciding between staying at Talay 6 or LK the empress, they seem like they'd give good access to Terminal 21 and walking street so I could get to a bit of everything. I'm worried about my timing, wondering if anyone thinks my current timeline would be out of high season. It's tough negotiating with my job and a decently priced flight. I'd be landing in Bangkok too, but I'd be able to take a two hour bus or train to Pattaya. It's been fun planning my google doc with all the info. But yeah if you see something glaringly wrong with my plan please let me know. I'm also happy to scope a place out that someone's curious about or wants an update on, I'll add it to the list.It's easy thinking being central in Pattaya is best but actually because transport (every kind) is so cheap, if I were you I would spend three of your 6 nights in Wave hotel on beach road. Very central and a really nice hotel, and the other 3 in Pratumnak. Its close to Jomtien but peanuts to get to from everywhere in Pattaya but Pratumnak is high end compared to anywhere in central Pattaya. Lovely area to be in during daytimes and Jomtien beach is far better than the beach at Pattaya. You'll get bike taxis, bhat bus or bolt cabs to everything in the centre for a pittance. I won't make the mistake on my next trip of spending more than a couple of nights amongst the din of the main city area when there are some spots so much nicer very close.

[SubCmdr]

In the real world, individuals that still have semblance of their bounded rationality in tact, find an another method to purchase items when faced with unfavorable market conditions. But this is not the real world, this is Pattaya. Where individuals arrive with condoms in one pocket, THB in the other and a blood stream full of 200 grams of their favorite ED meds. My solution to all of the problems I read about currently going on in the bars is to simply avoid bar fines.

Speaking of that, two nights ago contacted a girl from Thai Friendly. She accepted my offer of 1000ST along with my performance conditions. Arrived within 30 minutes. She accepted my offer of a drink and picked what she wanted from the full bar I maintain. I mixed it up. I am an excellent bartender and she is a smart girl. She watched me make her drink. After the drink she hit the bathroom and came out naked. The performance was off the chain. Gave her a 100 THB tip. No fuss. No mess (except for the one I made and she cleaned up) and no bar fines.

So, this morning to see if it was just a one off I invited her over again. Same 30 minute arrival time. Same off the chain performance, but different. 1100 THB. Once again no bar fines. She has made the team in a back up roll. More tryouts tonight.

I have run into attractive girls off of Thai Friendly that tell me I will accept my 1000 offer but I need to give them another 300,500 to pay their bar. I always politely decline and tell them to get with me in their off hours. I don't see why I should pay extra for something that does nothing for me. There is an individual that questions giving money to girls for nothing. Paying a bar fine is giving the owners of a bar money for nothing. You don't even get a drink with it. Now, I pay a subscription fee for Thai Friendly. But there is an entire website infrastructure that they have built. In my opinion the bar system is exploitive of the girls and I will not participate. No further than buying a drink for an attractive girl that chooses to sit with me. There may be biases. I solve them by leaving the premises. The most power vote the world over is the vote with your money and your feet. No tears being shed for any bar owner. Many of whom (in my opinion) are problem using the establishment to launder money.

Honestly I don't get the entire bar scene. I don't particularly like it. Even though I really like to drink. And for the fools giving advice about drinking and liver damage they making stupid comments. Your liver is designed to process 1 oz of alcohol an hour. It is what a liver does, process impurities out of your blood. If you are really concerned about your liver you should watch the fatty intake of foods. As a liver builds up fat within it, is loses it's ability to process blood. That is the real killer. And you liver does not lose the fat deposits once it has them. Do your homework before spouting off bullshit that is not true. You don't believe me, look up how foie gras is made.

Is Raj Raj a real person? Anyone actually met him?

[SubCmdr]

It's easy thinking being central in Pattaya is best but actually because transport (every kind) is so cheap, if I were you I would spend three of your 6 nights in Wave hotel on beach road. Very central and a really nice hotel, and the other 3 in Pratumnak. It's close to Jomtien but peanuts to get to from everywhere in Pattaya but Pratumnak is high end compared to anywhere in central Pattaya. Lovely area to be in during daytimes and Jomtien beach is far better than the beach at Pattaya. You'll get bike taxis, bhat bus or bolt cabs to everything in the centre for a pittance. I won't make the mistake on my next trip of spending more than a couple of nights amongst the din of the main city area when there are some spots so much nicer very close.I second the motion on everything you wrote. I am staying in Jomtien as I write this. This is the third place I have been. I am moving every month until I find someplace I like. I still miss View Talay 6. Nothing beats the location and facilities. But the price is not sustainable for me, at least in the long term. I still think central Pattaya is better for holiday (depending upon what you like do on your holiday). And Jomtien is better for living. I also had a good time in North Pattaya within walking distance of Terminal 21 (my second home). But I did not really like where I stayed. Still need to file the report in the Pattaya hotels section.

That is if Raj Raj will get off my ass with his bullshit long enough to give me time to write a reasoned and informative post.

[Explorer8939]

I made sure to read a bunch about Bangkok and pattaya before making my plans so thanks everyone. I'm planning on a 6 day trip to Pattaya from Feb 16 to Feb 22. I'm currently deciding between staying at Talay 6 or LK the empress, they seem like they'd give good access to Terminal 21 and walking street so I could get to a bit of everything. I'm worried about my timing, wondering if anyone thinks my current timeline would be out of high season. It's tough negotiating with my job and a decently priced flight. I'd be landing in Bangkok too, but I'd be able to take a two hour bus or train to Pattaya. It's been fun planning my google doc with all the info. But yeah if you see something glaringly wrong with my plan please let me know. I'm also happy to scope a place out that someone's curious about or wants an update on, I'll add it to the list.It still will be High Season when you go, but there will be hotels and ladies available.

Good luck with that train from the airport to Pattaya.

[Raj Patela]

I'm not one to criticize the looks of people whose photos or other clear identifiable indicators such as typical attire, tag numbers and location are posted on a public forum. So only positive comments from me, that being I would agree with you they land somewhere around a 7. That is, a bargirl 7. Higher than the photo I saw of Beam.

Compared to non bargirls, maybe they are a 6. 5 at best. But they could be solid 8's compared to most Soi 6 bargirls. Assuming they match those photos in real life. And full body photos might change my mind as well.

Now, as you know for me the ranking of any P4 P girl is greatly influenced by what they will or won't agree to do for me in bed. So if those girls agreed upfront to DFK and BBFS+CIP or at least BBBJ+CIM for me, they would rank a more solid 8 in my book.

However, if they refused to do that for me, I would consider one Ladydrink each to have been a waste of my time and money and my sexual interest view of them would be no different than that of a potted plant. I don't think I have ever given a potted plant a rank any higher than a 1..The problem with your rating scale is you are Rating them after the fact.

I'd suspect many Stunners would rate 1 by your standards.

After intensive research the past few days iv e reached a Number. Please feel to Chime in.

10 per cent are standout ish. Meaning they stand out from the 90% curvy, anarex8 x, just plain Muglies.

By no means am I implying they are Stunners.

On my way to WS I saw 3 Dorky Korean s with an Absolute Stunner on the Baht Bu. Don't know if 3 man Taj Majal discount applied. All I know she was Gorgeous.

All is fine. I found a girl who is 27. Better than the 90 %. Her fee was a proper 2,000 short time.

If I wasn't overloaded on a Salmon Dinner I would have partook.

P.S. I m talking about Soi 6 above Willis.

I've yet to do Research on Beach Road. Hahaha.

[Banana Boi]

I still miss View Talay 6. Nothing beats the location and facilities. But the price is not sustainable for me, at least in the long term. If you live in Pattaya VT6 is not an expensive option and nothing beats its location. Here is a unit for 10k baht (275 USD) per month. If you need a sea view then it's generally around 15-20k per month for a studio. Same prices since 2015.

https://www.thailand-property.com/condo-for-rent-in-view-talay-6-pattaya-chonburi_793778

[Raj Patela]

Thought on Pins. There were maybe 125 girls. Lots of open seats. If they did the Rainbow model and let the girls Free, I think it would work.

The top ones would be able to get multiple Barfines a night and there would still be a lot of girls to work the Drinks angle.

Every one would make Bank except the nit so attractive. LOL.

Even Security would get in on the spoils. Every barfine at Rainbows security get a drink commi, about $2.25. Adds up for them.

Fahrenheit. Lots of open seats. A few very attractive girls. Most guys just oogling.

I'm not sold on more Hit girls during high season. Do they tend to the rice fields April to November and work the Bars November to March. Hahaha.

Gentle Men's there's a lot of attractive girls around even in the depths of Low season.

[MartinFlevo]

The argument always comes up. But the Salaries are so high.

How many of the Pin Up girls are making Full salary.

15%. ?.Nett netto they do make more money (without the urge for barfines). Otherwise some of the newer agogos won't pay those numbers AND keep the girls.

S0 85% of them making their quota sounds more close to reality.

IF your whole theory would make sense. Trust me a barowner would already have that business model. Simple.

[Raj Patela]

Nett netto they do make more money (without the urge for barfines). Otherwise some of the newer agogos won't pay those numbers AND keep the girls.

S0 85% of them making their quota sounds more close to reality.

IF your whole theory would make sense. Trust me a barowner would already have that business model. Simple.Salary is10,000 baht or say $300. Commish on 60 drinkies is $120.

Sex x 4 is $360 at $90 a Horny Korean.

$300 + 120 +360 is not even $1,000 not much for a Hottie.

Last night during my rounds on WS I saw many a Hottie just sitting around not a customer in sight. I feel so Bad for them they are quite attractive.

P.S. I feel for Beach Road girls who get NO customers either. Hahaha. Hahaha.

[SubCmdr]

The problem with your rating scale is you are Rating them after the fact. I'd suspect many Stunners would rate 1 by your standards.I rate after the fact also. Prefer a 6 that performs sexually like a 10 at the price point I want than a 10 who performs as 6.

I am buying sex, not eye candy. The problem I have found with girls who know they are attractive is poor sexual performance. Guys have been licking their ass all their lives and they think they can show up take off their clothes and just be there and that's all it takes. Nah, that does not work for me.

Price and performance for me are the most important factors for me. And I don't care if she is married, has a boyfriend or a sponsor. I am paying her to fuck right now. Not trying to solve the perceived problems of other punters up in here. And she better fuck me good!

[EihTooms]

The problem with your rating scale is you are Rating them after the fact.

I'd suspect many Stunners would rate 1 by your standards.

After intensive research the past few days iv e reached a Number. Please feel to Chime in.

10 per cent are standout ish. Meaning they stand out from the 90% curvy, anarex8 x, just plain Muglies.

By no means am I implying they are Stunners.

On my way to WS I saw 3 Dorky Korean s with an Absolute Stunner on the Baht Bu. Don't know if 3 man Taj Majal discount applied. All I know she was Gorgeous.

All is fine. I found a girl who is 27. Better than the 90 %. Her fee was a proper 2,000 short time.

If I wasn't overloaded on a Salmon Dinner I would have partook.

P.S. I m talking about Soi 6 above Willis.

I've yet to do Research on Beach Road. Hahaha.Your conclusion that I highlighted above is exactly correct, sir.

I am not a Beauty Contest judge. When I am on the hunt, I am a punter reaching for the best lookers who will have Real Sex with me for the most affordable price. I am not searching to crown a queen, buy Ladydrinks for nothing or feel I scored big if I am only seen walking out with the hottest girl in the room while there is zero chance that girl is going to agree to bareback sex with me this night.

If Miss Teen Thailand 2022 agreed to go to my room and get nekkid for an hour for 100 baht but refused upfront to DFK and either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM I would rate her a 1 at best as a sex partner and pass on the offer.

I am an adult man with thousands of Real Sex experiences with thousands of different girls, many of them quite hot and who cannot keep it up and get it off wearing a condom. My days of settling for jerking myself off onto whatever body part of even the hottest girls on the planet are long over. Such a girl holds no sexual interest or fascination for me.

[MikeNm]

Your conclusion that I highlighted above is exactly correct, sir.

I am not a Beauty Contest judge. When I am on the hunt, I am a punter reaching for the best lookers who will have Real Sex with me for the most affordable price. I am not searching to crown a queen, buy Ladydrinks for nothing or feel I scored big if I am only seen walking out with the hottest girl in the room while there is zero chance that girl is going to agree to bareback sex with me this night.

If Miss Teen Thailand 2022 agreed to go to my room and get nekkid for an hour for 100 baht but refused upfront to DFK and either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM I would rate her a 1 at best as a sex partner and pass on the offer.

I am an adult man with thousands of Real Sex experiences with thousands of different girls, many of them quite hot and who cannot keep it up and get it off wearing a condom. My days of settling for jerking myself off onto whatever body part of even the hottest girls on the planet are long over. Such a girl holds no sexual interest or fascination for me.I'm with you on DFK at least. Without it, she's just anonymous and that's not what gets me off.

My first trip coming up soon. Question — is it normal to ask the girl if she offers DFK before you leave the bar with her? How often might they lie to get the business? I assume some do lie and you chalk it up to experience, but would love to hear from you experienced in this.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

I'm not one to criticize the looks of people whose photos or other clear identifiable indicators such as typical attire, tag numbers and location are posted on a public forum. So only positive comments from me, that being I would agree with you they land somewhere around a 7. That is, a bargirl 7. Higher than the photo I saw of Beam.

Compared to non bargirls, maybe they are a 6. 5 at best. But they could be solid 8's compared to most Soi 6 bargirls. Assuming they match those photos in real life. And full body photos might change my mind as well.

Now, as you know for me the ranking of any P4 P girl is greatly influenced by what they will or won't agree to do for me in bed. So if those girls agreed upfront to DFK and BBFS+CIP or at least BBBJ+CIM for me, they would rank a more solid 8 in my book.

However, if they refused to do that for me, I would consider one Ladydrink each to have been a waste of my time and money and my sexual interest view of them would be no different than that of a potted plant. I don't think I have ever given a potted plant a rank any higher than a 1.

My Aunt Tilda had a pretty cute one on her window sill. But even that one could not get a 1. 5 ranking out of me even at the height of my puberty phase.They are definitely Soi 6 solid 8's for you then EihTooms.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

I am not a Beauty Contest judge. When I am on the hunt, I am a punter reaching for the best lookers who will have Real Sex with me for the most affordable price. I am not searching to crown a queen, buy Ladydrinks for nothing or feel I scored big if I am only seen walking out with the hottest girl in the room while there is zero chance that girl is going to agree to bareback sex with me this night.

Spot on EihTooms.

And the attitudes you mention are what got under my skin and prompted my post with photos.

Tho sadly, few have decided to put up anything in response about Soi 6.

Makes me think they are all sitting in a darkened room somewhere late at night pawing themselves over subsidised YouTube videos and bar social media sites.

Wishing they could visit.

And for those that visit, walk the streets, then becry, all the girls are fugly, or won't go for less than 2000 baht short time, or they say no, drinks only, or similar.

I wonder, have they had a good look at themselves, at how they approach the girls, and for fuck sake, asking whilst out in the street.

A little sugar goes such a long long long way, and a taste of salt is invariably spat back in your face immediately.

Sex is not a beauty contest, tho it does help a lot for the girl to have some natural cuteness, attractiveness.

Overall physical appearance, good body, good looks, with a cheeky to downright playful demeanor, that will provide the desired service is my aim.

I picked three different 20 yo girls on Soi 6 in my last visit, they all matched my criteria, costs were way under the 2000 baht, and I got everything I wanted from all of them.

The Soi 6 doomsayers are in my humble opinion a long long long way from the reality of the situation.

[EihTooms]

I rate after the fact also. Prefer a 6 that performs sexually like a 10 at the price point I want than a 10 who performs as 6.

I am buying sex, not eye candy. The problem I have found with girls who know they are attractive is poor sexual performance. Guys have been licking their ass all their lives and they think they can show up take off their clothes and just be there and that's all it takes. Nah, that does not work for me.

Price and performance for me are the most important factors for me. And I don't care if she is married, has a boyfriend or a sponsor. I am paying her to fuck right now. Not trying to solve the perceived problems of other punters up in here. And she better fuck me good!LOL. I rarely even wait for "after the fact" intel to set my rating. I tend to negotiate for an upfront agreement for Real Sex / BBFS+CIP or at least BBBJ+CIM and add + Swallow to the latter if the girl won't budge from some way above the going rate baht amount. And if the answer is "No" in the bar before I even consider paying a barfine, on the street or online, she gets a zero "hotness" rating from me.

At that moment she might as well be that potted plant, an old Playboy magazine centerfold photo or a Ladyboy for all my genitals care about her as a sex partner.

Would she still qualify as amusing drinking company? Possibly, but highly doubtful. But on a measure of "hotness" as a sex partner, zero.

[MartinFlevo]

Salary is10,000 baht or say $300. Commish on 60 drinkies is $120.

Sex x 4 is $360 at $90 a Horny Korean.

$300 + 120 +360 is not even $1,000 not much for a Hottie.

Last night during my rounds on WS I saw many a Hottie just sitting around not a customer in sight. I feel so Bad for them they are quite attractive.

P.S. I feel for Beach Road girls who get NO customers either. Hahaha. Hahaha.That's $1. 000 in 10 days than. So that's still good for Thai standards. But yeah the biggest issue for Pattaya right now is just no customers AT ALL.

Thats why there seems to be a new trend. Chicks move away from agogos and into the beerbars.

Why? Lowerbarfines so they can make more money on fucks, lower drinktargets (and penalties / salary cuts for them). It's something I heard from girls and is actually being confirmed by a gogobar owner I know. If this high season is not awesome it will be a slaughter in Walking Street and I won't be surprised if 5-10 agogos close down in 2024.

[EihTooms]

Now I'm a bit perplexed, not understanding the growing negative commentary about the quality and availability of girls on Soi 6.

I've seen a post just recently about Beam and one other, they are OK, but nothing sensational to me.

So please help me out.

These two girls, both 20, giggly, mid height, slim, shapely and slightly toned bodies, no fate anywhere, no babies, perfect pert be cups, perfect skin, some small tattoos.

Oh, and as at middle of September when I met them, they were still very fresh and happy, as had been there working just a month.

Braces are the negative, but not a problem, and of course they are temporary.

Personally I found them to be 7's, maybe low end 8's when taking account of attitude.

Where do they rate on your scorecards out of 10?

I will tell more about them once some scores are in.

Things like where they are, but you can see already, so prices, drinks required, negotiating time / games etc.Ah, TGT, after seeing more photos and getting more intel about their attitudes and behavior with you, I would say your girls would have been clear winners above any other Soi 6 prospects, photos, videos and reports I have seen.

And far more rewarding than any Soi 6 girls I have encountered and engaged with in lo these last 12 years of cruising through Soi 6 dozens of nights in terms of looks, performance and price.

Good on you!

[RainMania]

That's $1. 000 in 10 days than. So that's still good for Thai standards. But yeah the biggest issue for Pattaya right now is just no customers AT ALL.

Thats why there seems to be a new trend. Chicks move away from agogos and into the beerbars.

Why? Lowerbarfines so they can make more money on fucks, lower drinktargets (and penalties / salary cuts for them). It's something I heard from girls and is actually being confirmed by a gogobar owner I know. If this high season is not awesome it will be a slaughter in Walking Street and I won't be surprised if 5-10 agogos close down in 2024.I wouldn't feel one iota of sorrow for WS gogos anyway. Sure, many of their girls are smoking hot, but what use is that if their heads are gassed up all the way to mars and have priced themselves out of the comfort zone of what most customers are willing to part with?

The sooner the girls and gogo managers / owners can come back to reality, the sooner business will pick up and customers will flock back.

[SuperLove]

Hello mongers. So I was in Pattaya for 5 nights last week. I must share I had an awesome time. Big shout out to mongers who helped & advised me how to max out the trip. I was in Pattaya 2 months back but at that time everything was arranged by a common friend and so this time I had to take things literally in my hands and do it my way.

I started on TF 2 weeks before the trip and I had my location set on View Talay 6 where I stayed for the whole trip. Great location and great view. Not expensive with no hassles / restrictions to bring talent in the room. My status on TF clearly read 1500ST with LT possibilities. I am more of a ST man who wants to get rid of the chick once done with her. Everytime a girl liked me my auto message would hit her and I would move the conversation to LINE. I think line is an awesome app, has all the benefits of what's app without sharing your contact no. Idea was to have as many different girls a day. Preferred more girls for ST than 1 for LT. I know for some mongers 1500 is high and the usual rate was 1000 or perhaps 800 in some cases. I didn't want to negotiate on a few hundred bahts. My only caveat was top service & great attitude in room which was non negotiable. I gave each girl 4 options: 1. Fuck without condom, 2. Anal sex, 3. Sex in public view like a gallery / pool side or balcony (my room had) and 4. Video recording of fucking (POV). I insisted I must get atleast one. In about 5 days I must have been with over a dozen girls easily and I got what I wanted from each. Most girls were happy with 1, those who didn't allow me went for option 2. 2 girls allowed me option 3 and 4 each. I am a sucker for service and wanted to make sure I get the time of my life as this was a pure sex / relax vacation and I had no intentions to do office work. All my girls were awesome barring 1 who was shown the door when she started throwing tantrums in room. Paid for her taxi and off she went. I must compliment thai girls. They love sex tourists and are willing to do anything (almost) to keep them happy. There were times when I had a girl in room and 2 girls were waiting patiently for me in the lobby building to take them. I didn't want a bad / ugly girl in room and if I didn't like her I would simply give her taxi money and go for the girl in waiting. Most girls were very happy with 1500ST payout with an upgrade on service. Surely a Win Win for both. After finishing of the session I would change for the evening and go down to check out my beauties waiting. If they were good I would take them out for a couple of drinks. In hindsight this was a good decision, spending money on them even before fucking. 2 girls were very happy with this arrangement and after drinks came back to room and we fucked like crazy. One of the best evenings of my life, they stayed with me for the whole night. One girl invited her best friend to join us in the room. Did her ST only with 1000. Both LT girls I paid 1500 on top happily while they were taking a shower. I must compliment Pattaya once again, the talent pool is so large there was no need for a repeat. I also visited some bars but did not bar fine any, though did have my cock touched and played with buying lady drinks. That was cool but lasted for a few minutes only. Most girls were either from TF or pickups from malls / shops. I would just compliment them and take their line and message them later. Didn't want to come across as a desperate. This actually worked.

Pattaya is a must for every sex monger, a place where fantasies can be fulfilled.

[Banana Boi]

have priced themselves out of the comfort zone of what most customers are willing to part with?

The sooner the girls and gogo managers / owners can come back to reality, the sooner business will pick up and customers will flock back.I'm assuming you haven't been to a gogo bar in over 8 years as prices for the girls have been the same for that period. 3000ST / 5000 LT. Yes barfines have gone up a tad but have been around the same since Tier pricing came in 2016/2017. Customer drink prices have gone up a touch in that period but nothing that should be a deterrent. The big jump has been the prices of lady drinks but that is not a mandatory requirement to barfine a girl unless the girl has mistaken you as a chump, asking you to buy her 5 or 10 drinks before she can leave the bar.

Do as the Japanese and Koreans do. Walk into a gogo bar, circle the stage a few times making it clearly obvious that you are staring at the girls as your victim for the night, point at the girl you want, and have the mamasan grovel over you to collect the barfine.

[MartinFlevo]

I wouldn't feel one iota of sorrow for WS gogos anyway. Sure, many of their girls are smoking hot, but what use is that if their heads are gassed up all the way to mars and have priced themselves out of the comfort zone of what most customers are willing to part with?

The sooner the girls and gogo managers / owners can come back to reality, the sooner business will pick up and customers will flock back.Agree there. Fact is pinup / xs destroyed the business with their "new" approach in higher salaries etc. And yeah with less customers its time to cut back in salaries so the drinking prices can go back <200 THB and same for barfines. That would be a reason for customers to come back.

[Banana Boi]

Agree there. Fact is pinup / xs destroyed the business with their "new" approach in higher salaries etc. And yeah with less customers its time to cut back in salaries so the drinking prices can go back <200 THB and same for barfines. That would be a reason for customers to come back.Maybe I'm out to lunch since I don't pay barfines but what are the current barfines at Pin Up and XS? More than 2000?

[Explorer8939]

Agree there. Fact is pinup / xs destroyed the business with their "new" approach in higher salaries etc. And yeah with less customers its time to cut back in salaries so the drinking prices can go back <200 THB and same for barfines. That would be a reason for customers to come back.I would bet that the top gogos will do good business this High Season, regardless of this "new" approach. But, some marginal gogos will go under, as well.

[HappyShiva]

Arriving Pattaya first time on November 1st. It Would be nice to be accompanied with an experienced monger.

Please contact me / Thanks.

[Raj Patela]

Pin ups, Palace. 2,500 confirmed.

Historical Perspective.

This set up in WS Agogo isn't a new thing. Pre Civada if I recall barfine s were out of whack compared to Nana even then.

My favorite was Happy a Gigi. It was a 2nd tier operation. Few Customers, several Hottie who got NO action.

Baccarat was big dog then still I found it weird very few Barfining going on.

I'm opining people I actually am Having fun in current day Pattaya.

A better than avg looker quoted 2,500 Soi 6. Fair meThinks. At least I'm getting quotes now. Much better than No not interested in You know Sideways Action.

[Banana Boi]

Pin ups, Palace. 2,500 confirmed.

Historical Perspective.

This set up in WS Agogo isn't a new thing. Pre Civada if I recall barfine s were out of whack compared to Nana even then.

My favorite was Happy a Gigi. It was a 2nd tier operation. Few Customers, several Hottie who got NO action.

Baccarat was big dog then still I found it weird very few Barfining going on.2500 barfine is ridiculous. Sounds like Pattaya is turning into Makati.

Pattaya gogo barfines have historically been notably more expensive than BKK barfines. It's why some guys say BKK gogo bars are better. Bottom line it all comes down to money for many guys on here. They rate how good looking a girl is by how cheap they are. Go figure.

Not sure which year you mean by historically but imo Happy a Gogo was not second tier for gogo bars, especially up to early 2018 or so. Happy killed itself when they combined Happy and Beach Club. Such an awkward layout and many of the young Beach Club girls left. Beach Club and Nui 2 were my hidden gems back then. Happy was also an outlier for low barfines. It was 600 or 800 baht in 2017 when other gogo bars were already 2000 baht.

[Venturi34]

2500 barfine is ridiculous. Sounds like Pattaya is turning into Makati.

Pattaya gogo barfines have historically been notably more expensive than BKK barfines. It's why some guys say BKK gogo bars are better. Bottom line it all comes down to money for many guys on here. They rate how good looking a girl is by how cheap they are. Go figure.It's 2500 on weekends and 2000 on weekdays for models. Also the girl has to meet the five drink minimum. I am not sure if the mamasans are skimming off the top because the barfine a used to get progressively lower as the night went on but maybe that has changed. In terms of price I think it's all a wash in the end tbh. +/- 2000 baht between BKK and Pattaya. I really do like the convenience of Nana Plaza though. If I were going to Pattaya I would just pick up a Soi 6 girl for LT and forget about the GoGos.

[Banana Boi]

For those in Pattaya the annual Bikini run is on October 28. If you worry about being on YouTube and other Social media don't go. It is full or horny men with cameras taking photos of all the models that show up. I had lots of fun last year.

[Abombu235]

It looks like the auto message is for if you like them I don't see any auto action for when they like you? When did you mention your 4 options after transferring to line, on TF or in person? Did you disregard counter offers of 2000 or more and stick hard to your 1500.


Everytime a girl liked me my auto message would hit her and I would move the conversation to LINE. I think line is an awesome app, has all the benefits of what's app without sharing your contact no. Idea was to have as many different girls a day. Preferred more girls for ST than 1 for LT. I know for some mongers 1500 is high and the usual rate was 1000 or perhaps 800 in some cases. I didn't want to negotiate on a few hundred bahts. My only caveat was top service & great attitude in room which was non negotiable. I gave each girl 4 options: 1. Fuck without condom, 2. Anal sex, 3. Sex in public view like a gallery / pool side or balcony (my room had) and 4. Video recording of fucking (POV). I insisted I must get atleast one.

[OldSchool318]

Probably love to just make their money from drinks and not from 3-5 bar fines per day. Probably most.

I have known too many working girls to count at this point in my life, and the ones that do high volume and get their pussy holes and anuses blown out flame out fast.

They become the hardcore pros, and the super mechanical ones or the ones that want to rob you. Or they just become indifferent to intercourse all together.

Of course yes they are lazy also. But women in this biz often are regardless.

I am not an expert on Thailand, and I will absolutely defer to why'all and your opinions. But I'm thinking from my knowledge of ladies that the less volume of numbers they run up the better for their point of view.

1 barfine even every couple of days is reasonable but I think the high volume does damage and it is probably a consideration of these ladies. IMHO.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Ah, TGT, after seeing more photos and getting more intel about their attitudes and behavior with you, I would say your girls would have been clear winners above any other Soi 6 prospects, photos, videos and reports I have seen.

And far more rewarding than any Soi 6 girls I have encountered and engaged with in lo these last 12 years of cruising through Soi 6 dozens of nights in terms of looks, performance and price.

Good on you!Things must be quiet in Soi 6 at the moment.

One of my two shown girls is messaging me asking when I am coming back.

I know she loved the session with me, BBFS, CIP, and pretty much everything captured in photos and videos.

Plus the repeat the next night as a double with the other, with same BBFS and CIP service from both of them.

And as I'm a fat ugly old bastard, it can't have been my looks, so it clearly must be the money.

Then again, I didn't pay over the odd at all, with just a single ladydrink each night and money to the girls of 1500.

So it must be true, I am a good fucking, horny, handsum man.

5555.

[Raj Patela]

Last night on the Cheap Rent side of Soi 6 some bar opposite Repent was having a 6 year anniversary. Free Food was advertised.

It was empty. Free Food always bring the Old Expats out but not this time. To be fair I didn't know what kind of Food as I didn't see a pig being Roasted.

[Explorer8939]

2500 barfine is ridiculous. Sounds like Pattaya is turning into Makati.

Pattaya gogo barfines have historically been notably more expensive than BKK barfines. It's why some guys say BKK gogo bars are better. Bottom line it all comes down to money for many guys on here. They rate how good looking a girl is by how cheap they are. Go figure.

Not sure which year you mean by historically but imo Happy a Gogo was not second tier for gogo bars, especially up to early 2018 or so. Happy killed itself when they combined Happy and Beach Club. Such an awkward layout and many of the young Beach Club girls left. Beach Club and Nui 2 were my hidden gems back then. Happy was also an outlier for low barfines. It was 600 or 800 baht in 2017 when other gogo bars were already 2000 baht.You are saying that a gogo with cheap barfines closed down, while other gogos with high barfines survived?

[LittleBigMan]

2500 barfine is ridiculous. Sounds like Pattaya is turning into Makati.

Pattaya gogo barfines have historically been notably more expensive than BKK barfines. It's why some guys say BKK gogo bars are better. Bottom line it all comes down to money for many guys on here. They rate how good looking a girl is by how cheap they are. Go figure.

Not sure which year you mean by historically but imo Happy a Gogo was not second tier for gogo bars, especially up to early 2018 or so. Happy killed itself when they combined Happy and Beach Club. Such an awkward layout and many of the young Beach Club girls left. Beach Club and Nui 2 were my hidden gems back then. Happy was also an outlier for low barfines. It was 600 or 800 baht in 2017 when other gogo bars were already 2000 baht.I agree with your assessment Happy was a pretty good club behind Bacarra, then you had Peppermint and Beach. When Beach left location on Soi 15, now Shark it was going downhill they create the narrow space behind Moon. From the beginning it was a bad setup they remodel twice prior to Happy knocking down wall to join the two using the other rooms left and right of the main stage to accomodate tour groups in the end the expanding was a total failure.

Prior to Covid times getting tough they close Peppermint, their annual party on 18th of April, was cancelled then Covid hit during that period man behind everything pass away. Prior as you noted when Bacarra opened 2009? The BF was 600 just before Covid it was 1000? With restrictions and Condition to return. Then happy hour 69 baht for sangsom over rocks till 9:30ST was 2000 LT 3500 LD was 130-160 baht serves my memory if correct.

Bacarra was the best club didn't push 100 plus girls up and downstairs, the board just before bathroom were the listed numbers of girls 8 pm board was full by midnight more than half were gone on weekends even at 1000 a pop.

Bacarra, the old manager was great today at Peppermint mamasan Dao at IIvy both had class. After last two visits being 17th although my cousins and friends in town real millions I left shaking my head not to return although I still know a number of regulars who started from day one. The contracts and need to meet quota is so out of hand it is irritating where every mamasan who I know are hounding you for drinks even waiters, waitresses want their share you can't get a free moment to check the lineup on stage it was a frenzy!

As you noted BF are just out line a small group opening a number of club with the intend to monopolize the industry on WS, as note XS most likely had the best and youngest lineup of all the clubs a few recognized me and cousin visiting 79, so it seems they have been added to the list of 2500. Just crazy!

[RainMania]

I'm assuming you haven't been to a gogo bar in over 8 years as prices for the girls have been the same for that period. 3000ST / 5000 LT. Yes barfines have gone up a tad but have been around the same since Tier pricing came in 2016/2017. Customer drink prices have gone up a touch in that period but nothing that should be a deterrent. The big jump has been the prices of lady drinks but that is not a mandatory requirement to barfine a girl unless the girl has mistaken you as a chump, asking you to buy her 5 or 10 drinks before she can leave the bar.

Do as the Japanese and Koreans do. Walk into a gogo bar, circle the stage a few times making it clearly obvious that you are staring at the girls as your victim for the night, point at the girl you want, and have the mamasan grovel over you to collect the barfine.I don't need to barfine from a gogo bar and haven't done so in about. Yep, 8 years! The pricing is stupid, most of the girls are starfishes and the moment you nut and she's putting her clothes back you, you realise in that moment of post nut clarity that you could've gotten 3-4 solid freelance sessions with girls who look almost as good (and certainly perform 10 X better) for the same price.

I prefer to leave gogo barfines to those who don't suffer from my level of PNC.

[SuperLove]

If I may come add, when you finish with FL in room there is no sense of hurry. She will take her time relax or perhaps go for a shower and if the mood is good may ask you to join her. You don't feel like a client / customer in that moment. With a bargirl, the moment you finish, your session is over and she is not yours anymore. Its pure commercial feels like shoot & scoot. Also if one treats FL well one can expect reasonably good GFE and better in room service. Just my 2 cents.


I don't need to barfine from a gogo bar and haven't done so in about. Yep, 8 years! The pricing is stupid, most of the girls are starfishes and the moment you nut and she's putting her clothes back you, you realise in that moment of post nut clarity that you could've gotten 3-4 solid freelance sessions with girls who look almost as good (and certainly perform 10 X better) for the same price.

I prefer to leave gogo barfines to those who don't suffer from my level of PNC.

[EihTooms]

I'm with you on DFK at least. Without it, she's just anonymous and that's not what gets me off.

My first trip coming up soon. Question is it normal to ask the girl if she offers DFK before you leave the bar with her? How often might they lie to get the business? I assume some do lie and you chalk it up to experience, but would love to hear from you experienced in this.I am not sure it is normal or common for most customers to mention anything, any particular level of service at all, as a requirement before they agree to take a girl or pay her barfine, other than possibly Short Time vs Long Time, 1 pop or 2 and How Much Baht is he willing to pay.

My impression is that after those minimal issues are settled the vast majority of customers just "go with the flow and see what happens in the room", accepts whatever is doled out to them and pays the amount agreed upon. Then, even if they didn't get anything like what they really dreamt about getting they happily hand the girl an additional 300 - 400 baht tip anyway. LOL.

That is my impression at least based on some reports I have read and the way many P4 P girls assume the procedure will go with me too.

However, it doesn't go that way with me. My bareback fucking success rate using the "go with the flow" method runs at about 15-20% over the years. Even worse than that in Pattaya, keeping it more pertinent to this particular forum. Which is way too low unless I want to pay for many, many sessions in order to get one decent pop and enjoy one annoying buzzkill hour after another.

Therefore, I do ask upfront if we will kiss romantically with our tongues touching, mime it if necessary and if she hadn't already been doing it in the bar, and if "boom boom no condom OK mai?" (Is our fucking without a condom ok with you). And if I don't get a positive response to both I pay my bar tab (if I am in a bar), thank the girl for her time and bid her farewell.

Mind you, this would be after we had established what seems like a pretty high level of chemistry, laughs, kisses and cuddles, the girl crawling all over me in the bar, begging me to take her and so on. I don't just blurt it out like I am asking for a burger at McDonalds.

Doesn't matter how much supposed chemistry is dripping from our pores in the bar. I still ask if they will agree to DFK and BBFS+CIP before I pay anything to take them. And the rejection rate can still be fairly high. 40-50% overall.

In Pattaya, my rejection rate for getting a Yes from the girls who are crawling all over me in the bar as I described has been well over 95%. Yep. There it is. Pattaya and I are simply not compatible in terms of me getting Real Sex with the girls I bother to meet there and who will crawl over me in the bar and beg me to take them. LOL. I do far better in Bangkok.

Still doesn't matter. I'd much, much rather they say No to me in the bar or on the street or online than at the moment of entry in the room.

In some special cases I might ratchet down my request to a BBBJ+CIM if I am really attracted to the girl and BBFS+CIP is an absolute No upfront.

I did get 1 very cute Soi 6 girl to agree to that a few years back, just pre Covid. But she would not budge from me paying her barfine, 600 baht then I think, and giving her 2,000 for overnight LT. For a simple BBBJ+CIM, mind you. So then I wouldn't budge from stipulating that it must be +Swallow. Which she did agree to do.

She was adorable. Her BBBJ+CIM+Swallow was just meh. I never repeated. And she never changed her mind about not fucking me bareback.

Do some girls lie just to get me to take them, barfine venue or not? Yes. Often. That is why I might even follow up a Yes reply to the initial question with an explanation that if she changes her mind about any of it in my room, no problem, I will also change my mind about how much to pay her and I probably won't pay her anything if that happens. Of course, I say it with a smile. But I mean it.

[Raj Patela]

I don't need to barfine from a gogo bar and haven't done so in about. Yep, 8 years! The pricing is stupid, most of the girls are starfishes and the moment you nut and she's putting her clothes back you, you realise in that moment of post nut clarity that you could've gotten 3-4 solid freelance sessions with girls who look almost as good (and certainly perform 10 X better) for the same price.

I prefer to leave gogo barfines to those who don't suffer from my level of PNC.Please let's us know where you find girls who look almost as good as the better Agogo girls at bargain prices.

If it's Beach Road please Refrain from answering. Hahahaha.

[Venturi34]

If I may come add, when you finish with FL in room there is no sense of hurry. She will take her time relax or perhaps go for a shower and if the mood is good may ask you to join her. You don't feel like a client / customer in that moment. With a bargirl, the moment you finish, your session is over and she is not yours anymore. Its pure commercial feels like shoot & scoot. Also if one treats FL well one can expect reasonably good GFE and better in room service. Just my 2 cents.I do not think there is any meaningful difference in the interactions. Generally if you are paying for short time both will leave relatively quickly to secure another customer for the evening. Given this I just pick the girl I find the most attractive because that's basically the only thing I can count on. The performance is unpredictable so I just sift through barfining a bunch of GoGo girls until I find the 1-2 at each bar that I like. Sometimes if I'm lucky they will stop charging me any money.

[MartinFlevo]

You are saying that a gogo with cheap barfines closed down, while other gogos with high barfines survived?Pinup / XS changed / ruined the game.

They started with HIGHER salaries (heck the higher barfines) and the "big size" format. (more girls).

So yeah the smaller just don't survive (less girls, less attractive girls). And especially the koreans moved to the pinup / xs / ivys of WS.

So the cheap barfine model is destroyed. Can only do if you pay less 0 Not an option during covid because of lack of girls. NOW. We are slowly getting in the situation of a surplus of girls what could lower the salaries.

[Venturi34]

Pinup / XS changed / ruined the game.

They started with HIGHER salaries (heck the higher barfines) and the "big size" format. (more girls).

So yeah the smaller just don't survive (less girls, less attractive girls). And especially the koreans moved to the pinup / xs / ivys of WS.

So the cheap barfine model is destroyed. Can only do if you pay less 0 Not an option during covid because of lack of girls. NOW. We are slowly getting in the situation of a surplus of girls what could lower the salaries.I do not think they can or need to lower the salaries. The salaries will naturally get "lowered" when the girls do not sell enough drinks. I do think there are enough girls but man the quality of the girls is not very good. There are only a handful of girls that I would consider barfining when visiting XS, Pin-Up, Palace. Having said that, the business model doesn't bother me that much as long as I get what I want.

[Explorer8939]

With all these posts about gogos, the question is who here pulls ladies from Pattaya gogos?

I only go to gogos if I have barfined a newbie bargirl who wants to see Walking Street. I haven't barfined a gogo lady since the Bush administration. Back then, barfines were much cheaper.

[RainMania]

Please let's us know where you find girls who look almost as good as the better Agogo girls at bargain prices.

If it's Beach Road please Refrain from answering. Hahahaha.Hahaha. Find a post where I said I've ever gotten a beach road girl.

If you can't get an attractive freelance girl off TF, tinder, bumble or even IG while in Pattaya, you're definitely doing something wrong.

[Raj Patela]

With all these posts about gogos, the question is who here pulls ladies from Pattaya gogos?

I only go to gogos if I have barfined a newbie bargirl who wants to see Walking Street. I haven't barfined a gogo lady since the Bush administration. Back then, barfines were much cheaper.Last night at Pin Ups. 1st group I saw. I think to join you needed to have bad silicones, more mature, and not the best of faces. 2 stages full of them. Sub cmmnder, are you out there.

2nd gourp. A bit better.

[Explorer8939]

Hahaha. Find a post where I said I've ever gotten a beach road girl.

If you can't get an attractive freelance girl off TF, tinder, bumble or even IG while in Pattaya, you're definitely doing something wrong.Many Beach Road freelancers are on TF or other social media sites, so its same same.

[SuperLove]

At A235, I had the app on the setting show me only those who liked me and so I reciprocated with my like and the auto message. When they shared their LINE I sent them a message 'looking at 1500 for ST with room for LT' service needs to be good. I clearly mentioned service & attitude as I am a sucker for both. When they would agree I told them of my 4 options. It was not only because I wanted to take it a level higher in room but also wanted to see how flexible they are in room. Noooooos were immediately dropped, some girls replied with 2000-2500 but they were politely countered with a firm 1500. Those who accepted shared their photos and I did the same with my location and address. Phone pinged continuously and I had decent backups in case of a no show. I was short on time & energy and didn't want to play the waiting game. It worked well for me and I hope it does for you. Treat them well and in return they will treat you like a King. SL.


It looks like the auto message is for if you like them I don't see any auto action for when they like you? When did you mention your 4 options after transferring to line, on TF or in person? Did you disregard counter offers of 2000 or more and stick hard to your 1500.

[SuperLove]

At V34, I disagree. I had sessions where girls came for ST only and we had a great time initially. I took care of them, we went out for drinks and came back to room extended to LT & breakfast. Morning sex was simple kickass. And throughout service was top notch. I did not hear the words 'No' 'Stop' or 'don't'.

I was once with a girl in gogo and it felt like a commercial deal where I was the product rather than her. No emotions and feelings just get undressed release wear and leave. Less fun.


I do not think there is any meaningful difference in the interactions. Generally if you are paying for short time both will leave relatively quickly to secure another customer for the evening. Given this I just pick the girl I find the most attractive because that's basically the only thing I can count on. The performance is unpredictable so I just sift through barfining a bunch of GoGo girls until I find the 1-2 at each bar that I like. Sometimes if I'm lucky they will stop charging me any money.

[Horatio]

Wednesday I went to a beer bar and played games and bought drinks for 4 of the girls there. One of them was very friendly and out going, another was rather pretty. I ended up taking the friendly one back to the motel with me. It was fun and we got along well. I went back on Thursday and she sat with me again as we played connect 4. The pretty one was with another customer. As soon as that customer left I asked her to join us which she happily did. The first one asked me if I wanted to take the pretty one with me, to which I replied, "yea, I kind of do" this got the girl mad. I had talked to her about doing a threesome when I barfined her the first night. She said the pretty one just started and was too shy for that. But she knew I found the pretty one attractive.

Anyway, I took the pretty one home that night. It was really good. She has the better body, and sex was good with both of them. The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad.

I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that. I walk by that bar a lot as it is close to my hotel in nacluea (don't know how to spell that), but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Mostly I just wanted to give back something to the forum in the way of a report. I'm not a hard core monger and those two girls have been my only sex stuff in my 4 days here so don't really have much of import to add.

[AggieDad1]

Wednesday I went to a beer bar and played games and bought drinks for 4 of the girls there. One of them was very friendly and out going, another was rather pretty. I ended up taking the friendly one back to the motel with me. It was fun and we got along well. I went back on Thursday and she sat with me again as we played connect 4. The pretty one was with another customer. As soon as that customer left I asked her to join us which she happily did. The first one asked me if I wanted to take the pretty one with me, to which I replied, "yea, I kind of do" this got the girl mad. I had talked to her about doing a threesome when I barfined her the first night. She said the pretty one just started and was too shy for that. But she knew I found the pretty one attractive.

Anyway, I took the pretty one home that night. It was really good. She has the better body, and sex was good with both of them. The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad.

I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that. I walk by that bar a lot as it is close to my hotel in nacluea (don't know how to spell that), but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Mostly I just wanted to give back something to the forum in the way of a report. I'm not a hard core monger and those two girls have been my only sex stuff in my 4 days here so don't really have much of import to add.Probably the worst that would happen if you go back is that the #1 girl gives you the cold shoulder. Worst case scenario is all the girls in the bar give you the cold shoulder. I doubt it though. Business has not been great.

[Mr Enternational]

The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.Naklua. LOL. You already said it. They are there for money, not feelings. It is called a job. Do you care about the cashier's feelings being hurt at McDonald's because you ordered a pineapple pie? Well you should not care about one hooker that you have paid feelings being hurt because you want to pay another hooker. Something important to add could be prices, time, drink costs, etc.

[Raj Patela]

Wednesday I went to a beer bar and played games and bought drinks for 4 of the girls there. One of them was very friendly and out going, another was rather pretty. I ended up taking the friendly one back to the motel with me. It was fun and we got along well. I went back on Thursday and she sat with me again as we played connect 4. The pretty one was with another customer. As soon as that customer left I asked her to join us which she happily did. The first one asked me if I wanted to take the pretty one with me, to which I replied, "yea, I kind of do" this got the girl mad. I had talked to her about doing a threesome when I barfined her the first night. She said the pretty one just started and was too shy for that. But she knew I found the pretty one attractive.

Anyway, I took the pretty one home that night. It was really good. She has the better body, and sex was good with both of them. The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad.

I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that. I walk by that bar a lot as it is close to my hotel in nacluea (don't know how to spell that), but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Mostly I just wanted to give back something to the forum in the way of a report. I'm not a hard core monger and those two girls have been my only sex stuff in my 4 days here so don't really have much of import to add.If it's on your Bucket of Lists I say go for it.

My future seeing,. Since the One picking isn't that Hot she will probably go for one even more Scuffed.

Me, I'd go for the Pretty one again.

[Banana Boi]

I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that..... but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.Thanks for the report. Doesn't hurt to go back and try. You'll see if her being mad was an act or real when you propose something where she will make money. I know one thing that will happen the second girl will now be "mad".

[Explorer8939]

Wednesday I went to a beer bar and played games and bought drinks for 4 of the girls there. One of them was very friendly and out going, another was rather pretty. I ended up taking the friendly one back to the motel with me. It was fun and we got along well. I went back on Thursday and she sat with me again as we played connect 4. The pretty one was with another customer. As soon as that customer left I asked her to join us which she happily did. The first one asked me if I wanted to take the pretty one with me, to which I replied, "yea, I kind of do" this got the girl mad. I had talked to her about doing a threesome when I barfined her the first night. She said the pretty one just started and was too shy for that. But she knew I found the pretty one attractive.

Anyway, I took the pretty one home that night. It was really good. She has the better body, and sex was good with both of them. The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad.

I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that. I walk by that bar a lot as it is close to my hotel in nacluea (don't know how to spell that), but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Mostly I just wanted to give back something to the forum in the way of a report. I'm not a hard core monger and those two girls have been my only sex stuff in my 4 days here so don't really have much of import to add.Your money, do what you want to do, not what the bargirls want you to do.

[Werqweq]

Wednesday I went to a beer bar and played games and bought drinks for 4 of the girls there. One of them was very friendly and out going, another was rather pretty. I ended up taking the friendly one back to the motel with me. It was fun and we got along well. I went back on Thursday and she sat with me again as we played connect 4. The pretty one was with another customer. As soon as that customer left I asked her to join us which she happily did. The first one asked me if I wanted to take the pretty one with me, to which I replied, "yea, I kind of do" this got the girl mad. I had talked to her about doing a threesome when I barfined her the first night. She said the pretty one just started and was too shy for that. But she knew I found the pretty one attractive.

Anyway, I took the pretty one home that night. It was really good. She has the better body, and sex was good with both of them. The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad.

I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that. I walk by that bar a lot as it is close to my hotel in nacluea (don't know how to spell that), but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Mostly I just wanted to give back something to the forum in the way of a report. I'm not a hard core monger and those two girls have been my only sex stuff in my 4 days here so don't really have much of import to add.Good advice from others here already. I will only add that Thai girls (and people in general) are all about having fun ("sanook" and they will quickly take the queue from you.

If you go back and are all serious and concerned about the less pretty girl's feeling, there will probably be some drama. If instead you go back in a cheerful and happy mood, joking about the whole thing as if it's nothing (and it ain't) if she brings it up, she will on the other hand most likely very quickly take her queue from you and you can laugh about it together.

[RainMania]

Wednesday I went to a beer bar and played games and bought drinks for 4 of the girls there. One of them was very friendly and out going, another was rather pretty. I ended up taking the friendly one back to the motel with me. It was fun and we got along well. I went back on Thursday and she sat with me again as we played connect 4. The pretty one was with another customer. As soon as that customer left I asked her to join us which she happily did. The first one asked me if I wanted to take the pretty one with me, to which I replied, "yea, I kind of do" this got the girl mad. I had talked to her about doing a threesome when I barfined her the first night. She said the pretty one just started and was too shy for that. But she knew I found the pretty one attractive.

Anyway, I took the pretty one home that night. It was really good. She has the better body, and sex was good with both of them. The pretty one didn't seem to mind the first one was mad.

I would kind of like to go back to that bar and get the first one and have her pick out a second girl. For a threesome since she has said she would be open to that. I walk by that bar a lot as it is close to my hotel in nacluea (don't know how to spell that), but am not sure it is a good idea. I know some here say do whatever as the girls are selling sex and know the game, but I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Mostly I just wanted to give back something to the forum in the way of a report. I'm not a hard core monger and those two girls have been my only sex stuff in my 4 days here so don't really have much of import to add.Should've told her from the start that you're a butterfly. Most of these girls already know you'll be going around banging other girls, but doing so in the bar where they work causes them to lose some face in front of their colleagues. The situation is still salvageable if she a good performer and you want to keep things sweet with her. Drinks and going upstairs with her again (if she's willing) will go some way toward fixing her "hurt" pride, but at the same time still tell her what you intend to do. You won't be the first customer to tell her this and definitely won't be the last. But the least you can do whenever you visit her bar.

I have a few "regulars" that I see whenever I patrol up and down the 6. On days when I feel like I want to see someone new in their bar, I let them know ahead of time on Line and even when in the bar she still gets drinks and a few games, and most importantly she introduces me to my choice of girl for that visit.

[Raj Patela]

Naklua. LOL. You already said it. They are there for money, not feelings. It is called a job. Do you care about the cashier's feelings being hurt at McDonald's because you ordered a pineapple pie? Well you should not care about one hooker that you have paid feelings being hurt because you want to pay another hooker. Something important to add could be prices, time, drink costs, etc.Bargirls do have Feelings,. They do get Hurt. Many times it' s over Stupid stuff but OP should be fine. Just don't inflame the Drama.

Bargirls Feelings Matter.

[SubCmdr]

Many Beach Road freelancers are on TF or other social media sites, so its same same.As are many bar girls and they are willing to come to you outside of "work " hours if you make it clear to them that you will not be paying a bar fine to see her.

Now just for observation, why do some think that where they source their prostitutes and how much they pay them makes them and their prostitutes better than some one else who does it a different way?. Not going to name names but you know who you are (not directed at you Explorer).