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I still think people are off the issue.
The issue is how you price a girl for the 1st time. THERE IS ONLY ONEWAY. No its not POPPAsan recommending a girl because her Service is good. Certainly he has no idea how Chemistry will be.
Take two girls Baitoey of Playpen FAME and one of Maggie Mays (take the median looking one, not the best and not the worst), hahahahahahahaha,. Both cost 500 baht.
No wrong answer please participate-Which one are you Buying. You have No idea on service or chemistry.
Again no wrong answer.Yes, of course, if two girls are standing naked side by side and the first one is 22 years old, has well-balanced and even facial features, a fit, well-proportioned, slim and curvy body, smooth skin and no big ugly scars while the second one is 47 years old, has a huge chin and thin lips, is 15 kilos overweight with belly flab hanging over her waistband, skin like a cheese grater and baby damage like the map of Paris, it is reasonable to conclude the former can and will earn a higher rating from most punters than the latter.
But that still doesn't mean she would be worth my paying her so much as 100 baht for 1 hour with her if her agreement is No DFK, No BBBJ, No BBFSCIP and No BBBJCIM either if it comes to that instead of BBFSCIP, all done slow, easy, relaxed and no rush at the pace I set.
If my rating of her on looks alone was an 8, the No on those issues will immediately reduce that to a 1 for her as a P4 P provider. If that much. And I will be setting that rating based on what I learn about her upfront before I take her, not after I discover the bad news about her and me in bed.
However, regarding SubCmdr's question:
Does paying more equate to a better sexual experience? Does a more attractive girl (using your personal scale) fuck better?
Yes, if my offer to pay her more money moves that first girl from a No to a Yes on all of my conditions stated above I believe that would qualify as equating to a better sexual experience with a more attractive girl and inspiring her to fuck better. For me. Even if her heart isn't in it but her desire for more money is, those conditions I cited above would generally create a pretty good imitation of her heart being in it if that is necessary for a better experience.
By contrast, a Yes to everything upfront from the second lady I described above would probably not provide me with a successful sexual experience at any price or even for free or if she paid me, much less a better one. So she would rate let's say a 1 from me on looks alone, also 1 as a P4 P provider. Again, if that.
ThaiGoodTimes
11-07-23, 08:43
No one said looks are not important.
What has been said is that looks do not correlate to price paid.
Furthermore everyone values different looks.
One could argue that those that focus obsessively on looks might be as shallow as those working who trade solely on their looks.
But as long as both are happy with the deal, the punter for the arm candy, and the worker for the money, well, who is to argue with that being a successful agreement.
Those who instead seek great sexual connection, rapport, and a highly enjoyable time, as I do, set instead minimums that must be met. I have seen them mentioned here many times. Real engagement in the bar, focus on you not you and others, no attempt to milk drinks or engage other girls, and often price mentioned as a finalisation of interest, and of course kissing to a degree and playfulness in the bar before heading upstairs or off to your room These are no guarantee, but are a better starting point. And I invariably score well far more times than not.
Another little aside that has worked well for me for a long time in bars I regularly frequent. I make it clear that I am a regular of the bar, not a girl, and that I will switch around over time, mainly with newbies, as I make it known that is my favorite proposition. With this known, girls don't get attached and try to own me, they remain friends with me, and are at most sad when I move on to new arrivals. If they get too attached, the mamasan or other girls word them up, calm them down, it rarely ever has to be me. The plus side to this is that the mamasan, and the girls, a few who I call my pimps, bring the newbies to me, putting in a good word about going with me. And the sessions with those fresh new girls are generally great as they forget their fears, and I get their honest sexual interest and time.
The side bit that I find the most interesting is that the hotties in the bar have also caught onto all of this vibe in the bar. I have never approached any of them, as I saw them all a little stuck up, over inflated with themselves, and likely for me would be poor fucks in my opinion. But things have a way of working themselves out, and and I have now had many of them, on my terms, without any of the games being played they normally do. They have come to me, then with me, intrigued a little with what is the vibe and why. They all know I am attached, my girlfriends photo as my screensaver and lock screen, so it they know is just about the sex for me, and they decide to try it. They also know I am naughty, nearly always bareback with creampie, as I am cut and cannot make a baby. Many girls bring a condom, have it on the bed, even open it, but 9 out of 10 times it is on the bed it remains, unused, by their decision. I was in my favorite bar two nights ago, with maybe 20 plus girls in the bar working, I counted 14 that I had slept with, all knowing that I had, with maybe just the one that had been with a condom, and all I got from all of them was genuine smiles. Looks can be bought any time, interest in you, and from that good sexual sessions cannot be bought, they are earned.
ThaiGoodTimes
11-07-23, 08:48
I still think people are off the issue.
The issue is how you price a girl for the 1st time. THERE IS ONLY ONEWAY. No its not POPPAsan recommending a girl because her Service is good. Certainly he has no idea how Chemistry will be.
Take two girls Baitoey of Playpen FAME and one of Maggie Mays (take the median looking one, not the best and not the worst), hahahahahahahaha,. Both cost 500 baht.
No wrong answer please participate-Which one are you Buying. You have No idea on service or chemistry.
Again no wrong answer.I am assuming I am needy, and must take one.
So I would sit and talk and buy a ladydrink to allow that to happen.
The looks are irrelevant in that situation.
But, if I didn't have that choice and I had to take one based on just two photos.
Well, as long as it hit's my minimum looks level, then I would go ugly, as ugly has to work harder to get by, and it is the sexual work level I am after.
Another tactic I use is I often say I don't HAVE to have sex tonite. It usually floors them and their reaction can be very interesting. There's a lot more psychology in sex than people realize.
BYVMD.We both must have read "The Art of War". I use this tactic a lot and will tell a lady I will take her ST to drinks and dinner. For her price. If I don't like her then no sex.
Freaks 'them out.
Those who instead seek great sexual connection, rapport, and a highly enjoyable time, as I do, set instead minimums that must be met. I have seen them mentioned here many times.I am perfectly comfortable with the randomness of my encounters off of Thai Friendly. If I think a girl has long term potential I will sit her down and tell her we are going to talk for the hour. If I decide that I don't want to continue with her I will give her the amount agreed upon. At the end of the hour, they always ask me if I want to have sex with them. Each time I have done this with a girl the sex has been great!
Sometimes I will pay a girl more based on her appearance. Because I want her. But, that extra payment never leads to better sex in an of itself. Better sex is the result of chemistry. For me, I either have it with a girl or I don't.
Pussy is pussy when it is free. But when I am paying for it I too have minimum requirements. And I really don't give a fuck what others may think about the amount of money I pay when I hire my prostitutes or the comments that are made about where I source them from.
Brethren,
Last year same time when I visited, managed to see three girls in a group on the beach road. One from uzbek and rest two from russia. Uzbek girl a bit heavy but pretty, other one too thin to my liking and the third one was way too pretty. It was around 2 am in and she agreed for 1 k a pop. The more I looked at her, the more pretty she became.
She refused to share details and IG as she works with a high profile photographer and her pics were way too good. Got rid of me by sharing the digits but never responded after. Seems she is still working in pattaya and has a boyfriend as well. She goes by name and I l o f e are.
Coming to the deed, it was okay not bad. A beautiful pussy, figure to die for. Rammed her for about 20 minutes till she started complaining and watching time. Overall a very satisfied myself at 1 K well spent.
Men being men, I have this thing to try every new girl out there. Where can we find russian girls. I get it they are pretty and cold in bed and no match to GFE by thai ladies. Any pointers to just get the checklist complete in pattaya without burning pocket.
Monroe and DejaVue (now closed) will cost a nuke.
Raj Patela
11-08-23, 00:07
Soi 6 2 night report s.
I think it's getting worse in terms of quality. Yes by the only metric that matters, Attractive -ness.
That 375 pounder in a Revealing almost String Bikini is a sight to see. Service Oriented I'm sure. Hahaha. Found at next to Offshore Bar if you are interested. For you who like a bit more attractive her Sister is 300 pounds. Hahaha. More modestly dressed.
Amen, Amen and amen sir.
I like PREtty girls, really pretty girls and will rarely sleep with them. I find them in the bars and buy them a few LD then hit on a less "fashionable" lady who is keen. I may be wrong but of my top 10 Orgasms. 8 or so have been from overperforming average lookers who understand Touch. 2/10 were from a Ukraine MILF when I lived in Budapest. She of the 12/10 body and suckee suking mouth and perfect pussy.
YMMV.
I have some MILF, some TF, some maassage and some GC and Soi 6, Buokao girls lined up for an epic 14 day fuck fest. I'm going to try for 50 O's in 14/15 days / ngihts.
YMMV.
Pics MILF 1.
Bar Girl 1.
Doing god's work, you are….
One could argue that those that focus obsessively on looks might be as shallow as those working who trade solely on their looks.
But as long as both are happy with the deal, the punter for the arm candy, and the worker for the money, well, who is to argue with that being a successful agreement.
Those who instead seek great sexual connection, rapport, and a highly enjoyable time, as I do, set instead minimums that must be met. I have seen them mentioned here many times. Real engagement in the bar, focus on you not you and others, no attempt to milk drinks or engage other girls, and often price mentioned as a finalisation of interest, and of course kissing to a degree and playfulness in the bar before heading upstairs or off to your room These are no guarantee, but are a better starting point. And I invariably score well far more times than not.
First post here! I wanted to share an experience I had two days ago with a lovely 19-year-old I met on Thai Friendly.
I've been chatting with many girls on Line and TF, and I struck a deal with a few of them for 2000-2300; for a two nut session. These girls are all between the ages of 18 and 23. I am myself a young stud.
Then when a planned girl became a no show, I got this other girl named Ice with a deal for 1000; ST. One nut. Her pictures were not that great, so did not make a 2-nut deal. But then when Ice showed up, she was the cutest stunner with a perfect face. I was "in love". We started things by just chilling on the couch and chatting up while I felt her up. She said that the was 3 months in Pattaya, but before she was in Buriram. She was a straight-from-the-countryside girl.
As expected, this girl could not hold a conversation in English. We just talked in Thai, since I have the super power of talking Thai as a farang. We talked for a long time. Then some foreplay and I ate her up. Good tasting girl. Then sex without condom, since she did not seem to object. Finish in mouth and now I'm a happy guy. I kept asking her to stay over, and she agreed. We order food and watch Thailand Trip Vlogs on Youtube. Then sex again. And again. And then sleep.
I wake up earlier and do some book reading while she was sleeping. We later engaged in morning bedroom activities and continued our day by ordering food and watching TV. Then I had my remote work start at 15:00, but she kept staying around. Laying on the sofa, playing on the phone and napping. I told her that I don't want a girlfriend, just a fuck-friend. We agreed to meet on the next weekend. Might go clubbing with her and her friends.
We had not agreed on a price for Long Time, but I gave her 2200 in the end, although she was worth much much more.
Raj Patela
11-08-23, 05:56
Condo Happenings.
Terminal 22.
3 new projects. All manned by 1,000 baht calibur girls if you catch my Drift.
Where Have All the Hotties Gone.
Raj Patela
11-08-23, 07:36
Soi 6 is not as Simple as I thought.
The reason many are hesitant about being barfined for a measly 1 k or 1. 5 k is because they are getting 7 k longtime from Singaporeans.
Barfine for long time is 1,500 baht. 400 is only for onsite Barfines.
Singaporeans ate claiming 6th Soi is full of Hot girls which jives with the girls I see they are Barfining. Most don't look like that Hot Playpen girl.
Not clear but they may have to hit a daily drink qupta before a Long time.
The Price has Gone up Chat. Gnomesaying.
Mr Enternational
11-08-23, 14:52
We had not agreed on a price for Long Time, but I gave her 2200 in the end, although she was worth much much more.How much was she worth?
Hello all,
I have never been to Pattaya or Bangkok, but visiting for the first time next month.
Retired American. Been mongering a long time, currently living in Manila. I have many girls on rotation here in Manila, and I also have a very serious Filipina girlfriend of 3 years. She's bi and enjoys fucking other girls, threesomes, etc. We essentially have an open relationship. We visited Phuket last year and together fucked multiple girls, soapy massage with 2 girls, etc.
We are heading to Pattaya for my birthday next month. Girlfriend and I are plotting our good times in Pattaya. I'm hoping the soapy massage places or Japanese massage places will welcome a couple and we can gather 2 girls and head upstairs. Are couples welcomed? The girls play with girls? Any recommendations?
Girlfriend and I have 1 week in Pattaya, then she heads home. I have a 2 week spiritual retreat, then I go to Bangkok 1 day before flying home.
So I'll have 1 night alone in Pattaya and then 1 night alone in Bangkok. I'm more of a freelancer kind of guy, young, petite. I'm hoping for threesomes on each of my solo nights. I typically go raw with a creampie finish, as I'm cut and a potential father no longer. Should I go for a solo girl or do I have a chance with a threesome, no condom?
Happy hunting.
Explorer8939
11-08-23, 19:35
Soi 6 is not as Simple as I thought.
The reason many are hesitant about being barfined for a measly 1 k or 1. 5 k is because they are getting 7 k longtime from Singaporeans.
Barfine for long time is 1,500 baht. 400 is only for onsite Barfines.
Singaporeans ate claiming 6th Soi is full of Hot girls which jives with the girls I see they are Barfining. Most don't look like that Hot Playpen girl.
Not clear but they may have to hit a daily drink qupta before a Long time.
The Price has Gone up Chat. Gnomesaying.Your post is not 100% understandable.
If a Soi 6 lady is still in the bar, she's not getting 7 K baht for Long Time, so why should she care if you want to go with her Short Time?
But yes, if there is some ethnic group paying crazy money for Soi 6 ladies, that ultimately will be the end of Soi 6.
Explorer8939
11-08-23, 19:39
Hello all,
I have never been to Pattaya or Bangkok, but visiting for the first time next month.
Retired American. Been mongering a long time, currently living in Manila. I have many girls on rotation here in Manila, and I also have a very serious Filipina girlfriend of 3 years. She's bi and enjoys fucking other girls, threesomes, etc. We essentially have an open relationship. We visited Phuket last year and together fucked multiple girls, soapy massage with 2 girls, etc.
We are heading to Pattaya for my birthday next month. Girlfriend and I are plotting our good times in Pattaya. I'm hoping the soapy massage places or Japanese massage places will welcome a couple and we can gather 2 girls and head upstairs. Are couples welcomed? The girls play with girls? Any recommendations?
Girlfriend and I have 1 week in Pattaya, then she heads home. I have a 2 week spiritual retreat, then I go to Bangkok 1 day before flying home..Up to you.
Do what you want.
If your Filipina girlfriend available?
How much was she worth?I would normally expect at least 3000. But she was very careless about her price. I initially sent her a message like "1000 if you come now" and she took the bate. Most girls I'm interested in typically charge at least 1500 for ST. Paying 2200 for around 18 hours and getting four nuts is a great deal, especially considering her youth and beauty.
Just tonight I had a Thai friendly girl come over that I have agreed a 2 nut session for 2300 a long time ago, but was finally able to get my anticipated date with this beauty. A 19-year old looker with a large sexy back tattoo. Thai girls seem to get them early. After arranging the date for tonight, she said that she wants to bring her "little sister" along. I was ecstatic. Have never had a threesome before. The friend was a cute 18-year old, also with a large back tattoo. She asked for 3000 for both, but I said 2500 and got the deal. 2500,2 young beauties, 2 nuts. Pattaya is heaven for real.
Once I meet them downstairs in the lobby I tried to play it cool, but was really in shock. We sit and talk on the sofa. Feel them up. One girl goes to the toilet and I start undressing the other one. Make her blow me and then the friend comes and joins the fun. One on the staff and one on the balls. Start with the 18-year old. Good fuck. But I preferred the 19-year old with larger tits and good face bone structure that I liked. Made them share the same condom. One pussy to the other. Then Miss-18 rode me while I DFK Miss-19. They complained that it hurt and wanted me to finish quickly. I take Miss-19 in doggy and finish.
In before session #2 I smoke my spliff and make the girls some cup noodles. We watch some TV. Tried to make them play some video games with me but it was really not their thing. Then for session #2 I just fuck the 19-year old. Even though she kept complaining about a stomach ache she had from some food she ate before. Super hot girl. Miss-18 just watches us this time and plays on her phone. They did try to take the price up to 3000, due to the long time it took for me to finish. But I just said that I will give them a tip instead.
I ended up paying them 2700 for the fun. But probably worth more. Not sure how much doubles usually goes for, but would guess at least 3500? Maybe 3000 if lucky. Anyways, a night to remember for sure.
Soi 6 is not as Simple as I thought.
The reason many are hesitant about being barfined for a measly 1 k or 1. 5 k is because they are getting 7 k longtime from Singaporeans.
Barfine for long time is 1,500 baht. 400 is only for onsite Barfines.
Singaporeans ate claiming 6th Soi is full of Hot girls which jives with the girls I see they are Barfining. Most don't look like that Hot Playpen girl.
Not clear but they may have to hit a daily drink qupta before a Long time.
The Price has Gone up Chat. Gnomesaying.And by reading all those "strategies" some BMs here suggest in order to get lower price / better performance you can really tell things are going downhill.
Explorer8939
11-09-23, 07:45
And by reading all those "strategies" some BMs here suggest in order to get lower price / better performance you can really tell things are going downhill.The issue on Soi 6 are the East Asians who overpay.
LittleBigMan
11-09-23, 07:47
Soi 6 is not as Simple as I thought.
The reason many are hesitant about being barfined for a measly 1 k or 1. 5 k is because they are getting 7 k longtime from Singaporeans.
Barfine for long time is 1,500 baht. 400 is only for onsite Barfines.
Singaporeans ate claiming 6th Soi is full of Hot girls which jives with the girls I see they are Barfining. Most don't look like that Hot Playpen girl.
Not clear but they may have to hit a daily drink qupta before a Long time.
The Price has Gone up Chat. Gnomesaying.Just curious how do you know they are Singaporeans?
Banana Boi
11-09-23, 18:57
ITake LK Metro for example, two more go-gos have gone up in recent months (Las Vegas and LK Angels). Does anyone have a review of Las Vegas Agogo which I think was open bar beer Time Bar before and Angels LK (formerly Dolls LK and Kaos before that)? I don't recall reading any reviews good or bad of either gogo bar.
The issue on Soi 6 are the East Asians who overpay.
You can't blame them really. Even if they overpay it's still cheaper for them than a soapie and they aren't shunned like they are at a gogo.
The issue on Soi 6 are the East Asians who overpay.East Asians are overpaying now? Hasn't it always been reported that they are continually bargain hunting and always trying to underpay and ask girls to go with three or more of them for a reduced rate? What happened?
Banana Boi
11-09-23, 19:36
East Asians are overpaying now? They've been overpaying on Soi 6 since COVID. When COVID hit Soi 6 lacked customers so Indians became accepted but at a higher cost. A much more astute ISG member who lives in Pattaya pointed this out to me.
East Asians are overpaying now? Hasn't it always been reported that they are continually bargain hunting and always trying to underpay and ask girls to go with three or more of them for a reduced rate? What happened?I think you may be referring to South Asians rather than East Asians. According to Wikipedia the modern states of East Asia include China, Japan, Mongolia, North Korea, South Korea, and Taiwan. Hong Kong and Macau, two small coastal cities located in the south of China, are autonomous regions under Chinese sovereignty.
Mr Enternational
11-09-23, 20:04
You can't blame them really. Even if they overpay it's still cheaper for them than a soapie and they aren't shunned like they are at a gogo.It is also cheaper than back home!
Visa free entry starts for Indians, lasting until May 10.
Yet another reason not to visit Thailand during high season LOL.
The image I have seared in my mind was staying at a hotel around South Pattaya. At the breakfast spread, a pot bellied Indian walked around the spread touching and putting back food (french toast, breads) on the trays and then adjusting his package. All this was done non chalantly. Leading me to believe that the guy probably doesn't even know what he was doing is wrong. And thinking back on the crazy things I have seen some of them do the last few years, I came to the conclusion that their lack of ettiquete and decorum is just the way things are in India and so they don't even know what they're doing is against the norms of society outside India. The Indians from the US are certainly not like the Indians from India.Why are you generalizating.
I am from India and I have seen a US guy behaviour in bar, removing a girl bra from back knot.
So all Americans do it?
Explorer8939
11-09-23, 22:32
East Asians are overpaying now? Hasn't it always been reported that they are continually bargain hunting and always trying to underpay and ask girls to go with three or more of them for a reduced rate? What happened?Indians are South Asians.
They don't overpay on Soi 6. They do clog up the street, as they are constantly walking up and down the soi, never entering the bars.
East Asians include the guys from South Korea, who do overpay. If you want to know the long term impact of South Koreans, read the Angeles City topic, where the Koreans drove it into the ground.
East Asians are overpaying now? Hasn't it always been reported that they are continually bargain hunting and always trying to underpay and ask girls to go with three or more of them for a reduced rate? What happened?The behavior described by Mr. Turgid is usually ascribed to our friends from the subcontinent. India is, of course, in South-West Asia. When I see "East Asia," I read that as a reference to Korean and Japan. Sometimes those countries are described as being in "North-East Asia." Singapore, I think, should be considered "South-East Asia."
Yours in pendantry.
Bunky
Raj Patela
11-10-23, 01:35
I'm sitting at Playpen hoping to get a glimpse of the Loch Ness Monster (Baitoey). Failed Again -.
Next door at Repent there's a girl I would pay her ask of 2,500. Fairly proportional,. No outlier gaps or anything, ex. Space between eyes is acceptable, no Nana Schoolgirl thighs.
She looks my way for 5 seconds but doesn't make eye contact. Mixed signals,. Is she disgusted with me or is she trying to attract me. Sometimes the disinterested are FUN and sometimes they aren't. Monger Problems.
Raj Patela
11-10-23, 01:45
The only reason to go into a Bukao Agogo is to sit in air conditioning. You won't be Disappointed. Hahaha.
Only girls Sub.com would go for and call them HOT.
LittleBigMan
11-10-23, 02:15
Does anyone have a review of Las Vegas Agogo which I think was open bar beer Time Bar before and Angels LK (formerly Dolls LK and Kaos before that)? I don't recall reading any reviews good or bad of either gogo bar.
You can't blame them really. Even if they overpay it's still cheaper for them than a soapie and they aren't shunned like they are at a gogo.I've been in there twice when it open about a month ago the place set up large stage reminds me of Angel witch. Nothing special typical but a friend I know likes the place? A few young a few old big stage not a lot of girls or nudity.
Saw a sign last night LK end Soi Diana across a empty lot with a sign Las Vegas Beergarden? Couldn't make out Thai writing selling or tenting?
The issue on Soi 6 are the East Asians who overpay.I have been accused of overpaying and underpaying. I am highly aware of the former as I feel it a crime to my fellow p4 p mates that we keep the playing field even so that there is always a decent supply / demand value market. I saw Pattaya 1st hand for several weeks in Oct and I'm back today, where bar after bar had 10-12-20 girls and only 3 or 4 punters yet said bars wanted 2 k Baht BF rates early in the evening, even 1 k at 11 pm. What business would I be taking if I took 1 girl and the other 3 blokes took 3 girls at an early hour. There would still be 10-15 girls and now no punters and the bar would at least have some $ for their troubles.
This trip I am paying a super hot TF big bazzoka model type 10 k for day / night with other, and as low as 1200 for a beautiful former bar girl for 2 hours. Most TF ladies were quoting me 3 k for 1 pop up to a week ago and now many are 1200-1500ST, 2500 LT etc. I tell the overyhyped 3 k ladies that they're simply not attractive enough and there will be zero business for them unless they get down to market rates. I keep telling them each and every time one tells me she wants 3 k ST, 7 K LT.
Yet I am going to pay one lady 10 k for around 36 hours.
YMMV.
Why are you generalizating.
I am from India and I have seen a US guy behaviour in bar, removing a girl bra from back knot.
So all Americans do it?I bet you cannot find a single guy on this site who hasn't had a bad experience with an Indian in Thailand. I am excluding Indian Americans.
LittleBigMan
11-10-23, 03:53
The location is very tight, but I think the location of Angel right now which is next to Iris Rover was something other than Kaos or Dolls, Walking around last night I popped in to check out Angel I followed another Farang curtain pull open I noticed there was only one inside and no nudity so I did a reverse and told the guy I'll come back. There is still a Dolls but it is two doors down from Angel, can't remember the place in between an outside bar called Racer.
I noticed Bachelor is closed now so has Champagne for some time I did a reverse and went into Kinks, two customers downstairs upstairs more lots of old guys like myself larger location than Windmill getting lap dances and feeling up the girls. Beer Chang 170 baht guys looking for trophies as you know won't find it here.
Kind of waiting for Fever GoGo to open I heard it was Korean M-owned signage under Fever correct?
Banana Boi
11-10-23, 04:02
The location is very tight, but I think the location of Angel right now which is next to Iris Rover was something other than Kaos or Dolls, You are correct. In my mind Kaos is beside iRovers cause I used to order my food from iRovers then pop into Kaos for a bit of free fun not even a drink needed. Always a fun free 20 minutes.
Too bad Bachelor closed. That was the hidden gem of skanky bars that no one ever talked about. One I kept close to the vest too. Went daily if they had a hot girl working that week.
Champagne too. Another hidden gem of a gogo bar. Lots of girls too.
Gogo bar I miss the most in LK is Ninja.
I bet you cannot find a single guy on this site who hasn't had a bad experience with an Indian in Thailand. I am excluding Indian Americans.Blaming entire group of people based on individual experiences is perpetuate stereotypes which is typical for you guys.
Keep it a mongering fourm and act like a grown up.
Explorer8939
11-10-23, 06:54
Although the number of customers in Pattaya is ramping up, the huge number of new bars is making it difficult for some bars to make any money.
So, the top tier ladies are busy (true for every High Season), but the rest are hurting for customers.
Once again, the number of new bars in Pattaya is astounding. But most are empty.
No harm, I just hope those melons are natural and delicious.
This trip I am paying a super hot TF big bazzoka model type 10 k for day / night with other,
Yet I am going to pay one lady 10 k for around 36 hours.
YMMV.
I feel for you CG33, its important to travel and broaden your horizons.
Visa free entry starts for Indians, lasting until May 10.
Yet another reason not to visit Thailand during high season LOL.
The image I have seared in my mind was staying at a hotel around South Pattaya. At the breakfast spread, a pot bellied Indian walked around the spread touching and putting back food (french toast, breads) on the trays and then adjusting his package. All this was done non chalantly. Leading me to believe that the guy probably doesn't even know what he was doing is wrong. And thinking back on the crazy things I have seen some of them do the last few years, I came to the conclusion that their lack of ettiquete and decorum is just the way things are in India and so they don't even know what they're doing is against the norms of society outside India. The Indians from the US are certainly not like the Indians from India.
Next door at Repent there's a girl I would pay her ask of 2,500. Fairly proportional,. No outlier gaps or anything, ex. Space between eyes is acceptable, no Nana Schoolgirl thighs.
She looks my way for 5 seconds but doesn't make eye contact. Mixed signals,. Is she disgusted with me or is she trying to attract me. Sometimes the disinterested are FUN and sometimes they aren't. Monger Problems.Repent girls are one of a kind. After walking up and down the soi for 1 month I could attract the attention of only one of them, a fully tattoed one.
Try this fellow monger's tactic next time, watch him pop-up at 1. 04 and look the outcome at 3. 22, the best tactics to get these sweet p*ssies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8hQCfBZwj4
East Asians include the guys from South Korea, who do overpay. If you want to know the long term impact of South Koreans, read the Angeles City topic, where the Koreans drove it into the ground.I didn't read the Angeles City thread but I think the only way they would drive the 6 to the ground is if they take control of the majority of the soi, which means owning the bars.
For the moment there's only one bar we've heard is owned by Koreans (Panda), I also know of one NW manager (Repent) but these guys have no power at all except if he buy a bar in the future.
So they just got the daily streamers and the customers, which for the moment seems to be driving prices up dramatically.
The obvious outcome is that other customers who don't want to overpay (or don't want to play the drink game) will move to other grounds, and these guys (along with other overpaying Asians) will keep the soi for themselves but prices cannot go up indefinitaly.
It will just change the soi from being a place to get good value for your bucks to a premium place to bang chicks.
Raj Patela
11-10-23, 10:49
I have been accused of overpaying and underpaying. I am highly aware of the former as I feel it a crime to my fellow p4 p mates that we keep the playing field even so that there is always a decent supply / demand value market. I saw Pattaya 1st hand for several weeks in Oct and I'm back today, where bar after bar had 10-12-20 girls and only 3 or 4 punters yet said bars wanted 2 k Baht BF rates early in the evening, even 1 k at 11 pm. What business would I be taking if I took 1 girl and the other 3 blokes took 3 girls at an early hour. There would still be 10-15 girls and now no punters and the bar would at least have some $ for their troubles.
This trip I am paying a super hot TF big bazzoka model type 10 k for day / night with other, and as low as 1200 for a beautiful former bar girl for 2 hours. Most TF ladies were quoting me 3 k for 1 pop up to a week ago and now many are 1200-1500ST, 2500 LT etc. I tell the overyhyped 3 k ladies that they're simply not attractive enough and there will be zero business for them unless they get down to market rates. I keep telling them each and every time one tells me she wants 3 k ST, 7 K LT.
Yet I am going to pay one lady 10 k for around 36 hours.
YMMV.Her bottom half of face looks ok. Can we see other half.
For me I'm not into Silli Cones so I'd pass.
Not Hating you Haters.
Raj Patela
11-10-23, 10:52
I bet you cannot find a single guy on this site who hasn't had a bad experience with an Indian in Thailand. I am excluding Indian Americans.I had a nice experience the other day with one of them. He bumped into me and apologized Profusely I thought I had been pick pocketed.
I found it odd as he nor me was really at fault.
NRandom940
11-10-23, 16:46
I will be spending 5 days in Pattaya within the next few months.
Can anyone confirm that this hotel is girl friendly and will allow me to bring multiple girls from TF up to the room every day?
Royal Palace Hotel Pattaya.
Pattaya Sai Song Rd, Bang Lamung District, Chon Buri 20260, Thailand.
I've been in there twice when it open about a month ago the place set up large stage reminds me of Angel witch. Nothing special typical but a friend I know likes the place? A few young a few old big stage not a lot of girls or nudity.
Saw a sign last night LK end Soi Diana across a empty lot with a sign Las Vegas Beergarden? Couldn't make out Thai writing selling or tenting?The owner of Las Vegas is turning the empty lot into 10 beer bars that he will have others lease out. Those who, lease a bar; They will manage their own bars and staff.
The gentleman obviously suffers from the peculiar British habit of apologizing when someone steps on their toes.
I had a nice experience the other day with one of them. He bumped into me and apologized Profusely I thought I had been pick pocketed.
I found it odd as he nor me was really at fault.
I will be spending 5 days in Pattaya within the next few months.
Can anyone confirm that this hotel is girl friendly and will allow me to bring multiple girls from TF up to the room every day?
Royal Palace Hotel Pattaya.
Pattaya Sai Song Rd, Bang Lamung District, Chon Buri 20260, Thailand.This is one of the few places where they need ID before. Sorry.
Banana Boi
11-10-23, 19:49
Repent girls are one of a kind. After walking up and down the soi for 1 month I could attract the attention of only one of them, a fully tattoed one.
Try this fellow monger's tactic next time, watch him pop-up at 1. 04 and look the outcome at 3. 22, the best tactics to get these sweet p*ssies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8hQCfBZwj4Paolo, you're not getting attention cause the girls have seen you walk up and down Soi 6 for a month. That's why when I go to Soi 6 alone I make 1 or max 2 fly by's and either call it quits for the day or go into a bar for an hour and DFK a girl. I know guys who walk up and down the soi 6+ times without going with any girl. Girls notice that really fast and will even look away. Same for Pasteur Street in Ho Chi Minh. First walk through and you're hit with 100's of girls wanting you. Second walk through within the hour and maybe only 20 girls approach you.
I don't see what tactics he's using other than avoiding the ugly girl with the pandas in her hair trying to pull him into Repent. I can't believe he actually went in with her. No wonder I'm harassed so much with girls grabbing me as I walk down Soi 6 alone. Don't fall for this tactic guys. Go with the best looking girl, not the most aggressive girl who grabs your dick.
Paolo, you're not getting attention cause the girls have seen you walk up and down Soi 6 for a month.No, I walk the soi just one time, sometimes I don't even make the come back. And I don't go there everyday, most of the times I see different girls standing in front of the bars. Each bar has around 20 girls at least, it's not always the same girls standing outside.
I'm not getting their attention because I'm not from the ethnic group these girls are looking for, especially in that area of the soi with bars like Horny, Flirt and Repent.
Besides, when was the last time you've been there? Things are changing with time passing you know.
I don't see what tactics he's using other than avoiding the ugly girl with the pandas in her hair trying to pull him into Repent. I can't believe he actually went in with her. No wonder I'm harassed so much with girls grabbing me as I walk down Soi 6 alone. Don't fall for this tactic guys. Go with the best looking girl, not the most aggressive girl who grabs your dick.I used the word tactics as a joke, at least he got what he was looking for, being dragged in a bar and spending time with some of the girls.
But I see something there.
First he is Korean (the preferred group) so he can take that approach. And he pretends to be walking there without caring about what's around him while it's obvious he is looking for a girl.
Secondly he is pretending to resist but not too much, because he was open to be dragged in.
And third, his tactics also consists of filling his pockets with multiple 1 K baht notes, because now he's got at least 4 LDs to pay for.
Anyway it shows how much these girls are looking for this kind of guy while they are ignoring everybody else.
And good luck going with the best looking girl these days, the best looking girl is never available unless you go there in the afternoon maybe, plus you'll have to deal with her attitude, and pay her price (if she wants to go with you).
NRandom940
11-10-23, 21:25
What's your experience with TF girls? Do they usually look like their photos?
Do you usually do some extra screening like a video call or meet them in public before inviting them to your hotel? Just to make sure photos are accurate.
Yet I am going to pay one lady 10 k for around 36 hours.
YMMV.Nice rack. Kindly let us know if the performance meets or exceeds expectations.
I bet you cannot find a single guy on this site who hasn't had a bad experience with an Indian in Thailand. I am excluding Indian Americans.I have a ton of examples. There's a certain point where it's not generalizing. There's been Indians themseves in this forum that have commented on the behavior of Indians.
Another awesome example was last year staying at Siam at Siam. Overheard a hotel manager in the room of a group of Indians telling them they have to pay for ruining the water pot. Apparently they were boiliny curry in it haha. Can't make this stuff up.
Raj Patela
11-11-23, 01:26
Repent girls are one of a kind. After walking up and down the soi for 1 month I could attract the attention of only one of them, a fully tattoed one.
Try this fellow monger's tactic next time, watch him pop-up at 1. 04 and look the outcome at 3. 22, the best tactics to get these sweet p*ssies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8hQCfBZwj4Has to be Staged. The main Girl in the Video is a regular and is no Way in San Jose that aggressive.
Raj Patela
11-11-23, 01:31
Although the number of customers in Pattaya is ramping up, the huge number of new bars is making it difficult for some bars to make any money.
So, the top tier ladies are busy (true for every High Season), but the rest are hurting for customers.
Once again, the number of new bars in Pattaya is astounding. But most are empty.Not Ramping up.
What's your experience with TF girls? Do they usually look like their photos?My experience with girls from Thai Friendly have been positive. I do not worry about the girl in the photo looking exactly like the girl that shows up at my door. Because I have been taking pictures from the time only black and white film was affordable and I know the tricks of the trade. A picture is a moment in time. A girl can appear different in a photo from her 3-the self in real iife simply from the camera angle and lighting.
I have had girls show up that were not the girl in the picture. They have been more attractive than in the picture. The performance of the girls from Thai Friendly have been exceptional overall. Of course because I don't bring a suitcase of money to Soi 6 or a gogo bar to pay bar fines and then outrageous fees to have a girl sleep next to me overnight there are those posing in this forum that will disparage the appearance of the girls I hire to be my prostitutes. Nothing could be further from the truth. I suspect that behavior occurs because the individuals who engage in it are trying to make themselves feel better by putting others down. I don't worry about it. Cause MY dick just keeps getting off.
Man Law 101: No grown man should be telling another grown man how to spend his hard earned money or who to fuck..
Do you usually do some extra screening like a video call or meet them in public before inviting them to your hotel? Just to make sure photos are accurate.I do not usually do that but that does not mean that you can't. Some actually suggest that you do a video call. But what is that going to tell you. Unless they are dressed up for ho in the moment you make the call you are not going to see the girl as she ultimately is going to present herself. If you like doggy style you are not going to be able to see how her ass looks when she is "en cuatro" in a video call. I have all girls come right to my door. They suck my dick, I fuck them, I cum in their mouth. I pay them. They leave.
I do a two step procedure. I have them come to my building and have them contact me. After the contact me I give the the information to locate my room in written and picture form. Never had a problem with a girl finding my room. Some have asked for me to come get them. I do that. It is not a problem.
Now of course, I could not make a post about This Friendly girls without addressing the price. For me it is 1000ST with a 100 bonus for performance. Pay what you want. It is your money and your dick. Just don't be a critic. Most of all enjoy and report.
Last night girl came over off of Thai Friendly. 1000ST. Earned her bonus. Boring for some I know who need the action of the bars. Personally I don't need that. 30 minute pussy delivery from Thai Friendly keeps my dick satisfied.
Explorer8939
11-11-23, 02:53
This is unusual, even for me:
I had a lady over in the afternoon. We drank, did our thing, and now it was early evening, and I told her I had another lady coming soon. She didn't leave.
The second lady showed up, and the three of us drank (until I ran out of liquor). So now it was late at night, and the first lady finally left 10 hours after she arrived.
I have never had a lady hang around so long after we were done.
Along the way, she had plenty of bargirl stories, some shocking, but I don't remember them. And she had one lonely guy constantly sending her messages from his home country, which irritated her.
Raj Patela
11-11-23, 04:29
Be careful out there. For more context go to AseanNews. Pattaya section.
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The tourist told police through a translation application that he had gone to a beer bar in Soi 6 and paid a 4,200 baht bar fine to take the woman to his hotel.
Upon arriving there she made a phone call and spoke in Thai, which he could not follow, after which the two men showed up and attacked him before riding off on their motorcycle.
So he got robbed twice.
Kinda curious what happened to the woman. Did she ride off with the attackers, or what?
Praying it wasnt Baitoey. I admit it I think Baitioey is HOT.
LittleBigMan
11-11-23, 05:00
The owner of Las Vegas is turning the empty lot into 10 beer bars that he will have others lease out. Those who, lease a bar; They will manage their own bars and staff.Go luck to them, guess the Beer Bars crowd will be happy, I'm not one of them maybe the location across from LK, will help but Beer Bars is already all along Soi Diana. Then beer bar complex was it called Action Street? Failed badly up further Soi Baukhao.
Arrived Friday night.
The flags are back. Tour guide carries a flag, and 20 or so Asians (probably Chinese) follow them on a tour. Walking Street was packed with people. People with baby strollers, kind of funny.
Walked into XS. Saw a stunner on stage. Placed was totally packed. Didn't want to sit cheek to cheek with guys, so I left.
Walked into Shark Go-Go. Ordered a beer. Didn't notice at first, but this Korean was videotaping, and doing commentary. WTF! There's a sign that says no pictures or video. I don't want to be on youtube. Fuck the Shark Go-go. I will not return to that bar!
Dollhouse was closed. A shame. Probably my favorite for nudity / show / quality combo. The girls weren't that cute, but cuter than Windmill.
Windmill 2 is opened. It's across Windmill 1. It wasn't as crowded as the old Windmill 1 was peviously. Didn't go to Windmill 1 last night.
Baby (across Dollhouse) is still closed. I think they're remodeling. That bar was raunchy.
Where has all the raunchy bars gone? Only Windmill and Kink? Last year, the "Silver" bars around Soi 8 was closed.
Sugar on Walking Street is still closed. That was my favorite bar for quality and full nudity on Walking Street. 2 or 3 other bars on Walking Street that had full nudity is no more. Are there any bars on Walking Street that still has full nudity?
LittleBigMan
11-11-23, 05:26
A bit off-topic but a warning so no one gets caught off guard having their holiday ruined.
I happen to be at a meeting in regard to Immigration this week. In Jomtien, effective October reports so far have been inconsistent but the news is in regard to the TM47.
This form is normally filled out by the hotel to immigration. It has been on the books since 1979, but has never been an issue Jomtien now has made a big issue of it a few years back it was the same old stuff.
The report must be made within or within 24 hours by the hotel. At Jomtien immigration there are changes in the waiting area or outside the main building parking lot is no more it has a number of offices broken down into departments. Outside of doing your 90 reports or obtaining a TM47, you need to Q up at the information desk to get into the main building for a Visa extension.
Those who reside at a Hotel, resort, or Airbnb, and don't stay longer than 30 days generally do not need to worry but if you decide to stay longer and need to make a visit without the TM47 you will run into a problem. The key although it is the responsibility of the hotel, owner if you don't have a TM47, you will need to pay 2000 in a fine.
For those who use Airbnb legit, the owner should have no problem presenting a copy of the ownership book, and their I. The. , if one is renting from a foreigner foreigner they will need to show proof of a Work Permit. No service will be provided without the TM47 in your passport.
If you own and live in a Condo, once all your documents are in order and obtained if you leave the country when returning you need not make another report for a new TM-47, living here everything under her name every time I leave the country return must make a new TM-47.
I do my 90-day report online, The next report is in December, told when I try the next time will ask to upload all the documents approved before granted another 90 days. If rejected I will need to go down to Jomtien immigration and sort it out.
There is a TM-47 website which is what Hotels uses to report their guest told to try to create an account by uploading required documents so I can register each time instead of going down to Jomtien.
Again, if you don't need services at Jomtien no worry but if you want to extend later?
Another headache living here it never stops. $$.
Banana Boi
11-11-23, 06:45
Besides, when was the last time you've been there? Things are changing with time passing you know.
May 2023 but that was only a short 1 week visit. I cancelled my trip September 2023 cause of family matters. My last extended trip was when Thailand extended the Visa to 45 days so October / November 2022 I think. Don't plan on returning until February 2024 and even that is up in the air now. Thailand has lost a lot of its appeal to me after living there for many years. Jacking the Thai Elite visa price 50% to 6,000 USD per year for 5 years was sort of the last straw.
Yes things are always changing for the worst in Thailand and every other country as well. Japan used to be expensive but now I find it aligned with many of these 3rd world countries plus Japanese working girls are much prettier imo and clearly a better lifestyle in Japan.
And good luck going with the best looking girl these days, the best looking girl is never available unless you go there in the afternoon maybe, plus you'll have to deal with her attitude, and pay her price (if she wants to go with you).Maybe that's the difference it is very rare I stay on Soi 6 past 5 pm. When I go there are almost no guys there except the regulars at Ruby Bar. I go home and get ready to be at a gogo bar around 7:30 pm.
Those who reside at a Hotel, resort, or Airbnb, and don't stay longer than 30 days generally do not need to worry but if you decide to stay longer and need to make a visit without the TM47 you will run into a problem. The key although it is the responsibility of the hotel, owner if you don't have a TM47, you will need to pay 2000 in a fine.
Can you get a confirmation receipt from hotels the next day to confirm they have reported you to Immigration?
So is the penalty only a 2000 baht fine if no one filed a TM47? I will still get a 30 day extension as long as I pay 2000 baht?
LittleBigMan
11-11-23, 07:02
May 2023 but that was only a short 1 week visit. I cancelled my trip September 2023 cause of family matters. My last extended trip was when Thailand extended the Visa to 45 days so October / November 2022 I think. Don't plan on returning until February 2024 and even that is up in the air now. Thailand has lost a lot of its appeal to me after living there for many years. Jacking the Thai Elite visa price 50% to 6,000 USD per year for 5 years was sort of the last straw.
Yes things are always changing for the worst in Thailand and every other country as well. Japan used to be expensive but now I find it aligned with many of these 3rd world countries plus Japanese working girls are much prettier imo and clearly a better lifestyle in Japan.
Maybe that's the difference it is very rare I stay on Soi 6 past 5 pm. When I go there are almost no guys there except the regulars at Ruby Bar. I go home and get ready for a gogo bar around 7:30 pm.
Can you get a confirmation receipt from hotels the next day to confirm they have reported you to Immigration?
So is the penalty only a 2000 baht fine if no one filed a TM47? I will still get a 30 day extension as long as I pay 2000 baht?If the hotel is doing or following the law they should have no problem providing or give you a screen shot.
I have heard that after you pay the 2000 you can get extension.
MartinFlevo
11-11-23, 07:14
The owner of Las Vegas is turning the empty lot into 10 beer bars that he will have others lease out. Those who, lease a bar; They will manage their own bars and staff.A full scam. YOu "buy" the opportunity to RENT a place. Have to hire staff yourself. However they control EVERYTHING. Music all.
Typical thailand. And suckers enough who buy that bullshit.
Only one who is making money there will be LasVegas / Mayflower.
Japan used to be expensive but now I find it aligned with many of these 3rd world countries plus Japanese working girls are much prettier imo and clearly a better lifestyle in Japan.Thanks for that, think I'm going to start reading the Japanese thread then.
Never considered Japan because I always thought it's too expensive.
that's the difference it is very rare I stay on Soi 6 past 5 pm. When I go there are almost no guys there except the regulars at Ruby Bar. I go home and get ready to be at a gogo bar around 7:30 pm.Yes, probably a huge difference going there in afternoon instead of 8 or 9 pm and it makes sense in many aspects too, but untill now, I really had a hard time moving my *ss to that soi before the evening. Surely I'll have to make that effort in my next trip.
EverythingThai
11-11-23, 13:03
Repent girls are one of a kind. After walking up and down the soi for 1 month I could attract the attention of only one of them, a fully tattoed one.
Try this fellow monger's tactic next time, watch him pop-up at 1. 04 and look the outcome at 3. 22, the best tactics to get these sweet p*ssies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8hQCfBZwj4I have got a much better way to attract their attention. Wait for it. It may shock you. Are you ready? This is serious top secret stuff. Don't share this with anyone else or you will be killed. Others shared and were never seen again. Ok, are you ready? Last chance to change your mind. Okay, here goes. Go inside. Buy them a drink, and then short time them. Bingo.
EverythingThai
11-11-23, 14:00
I have been accused of overpaying and underpaying. I am highly aware of the former as I feel it a crime to my fellow p4 p mates that we keep the playing field even so that there is always a decent supply / demand value market. I saw Pattaya 1st hand for several weeks in Oct and I'm back today, where bar after bar had 10-12-20 girls and only 3 or 4 punters yet said bars wanted 2 k Baht BF rates early in the evening, even 1 k at 11 pm. What business would I be taking if I took 1 girl and the other 3 blokes took 3 girls at an early hour. There would still be 10-15 girls and now no punters and the bar would at least have some $ for their troubles.
This trip I am paying a super hot TF big bazzoka model type 10 k for day / night with other, and as low as 1200 for a beautiful former bar girl for 2 hours. Most TF ladies were quoting me 3 k for 1 pop up to a week ago and now many are 1200-1500ST, 2500 LT etc. I tell the overyhyped 3 k ladies that they're simply not attractive enough and there will be zero business for them unless they get down to market rates. I keep telling them each and every time one tells me she wants 3 k ST, 7 K LT..I have been with this one several times. I made a video with her too. BBFS CIP. Wonderful melons.
Raj Patela
11-11-23, 14:17
This sixth Soi is not all lost.
It's just Fun staying in a Bar 30 minutes soaking up the sights and smells. A little drink bought or tip never hurts anyone.
I hear some Thai Rock and Roll beyond Sek Loso and I'm.
Impressed. Kind of the Motley Crue days of Yore.
EverythingThai
11-11-23, 14:19
I would like to describe this gents club to you guys. I was in there with a group of guys. The place is just crazy. They have a nice big sofa there that a group of guys can sit with the girls. Five minutes after walking in, we had 4 hot ladies sitting with us. Three nice Thai girls, one with big natural melons and a nice curvy body, not fat, and one Laos spinner. We started ordering shots for us and the ladies. After the shots came out, off came their tops and they all got busy. One of my buddies started getting a BJ right on the sofa next to me. My busy opposite me was almost fucking is girl right out in the open. My girl hops up on my lap and stats rubbing her big melons in my face and grabs my cock and starts rubbing it. Finally, one of my buddies grabs his gils, throws her over his shoulder like a cave man claiming his property and carries her up to the short time room. Then I start getting blown on the sofa. It got just too much for me and I had to pull her off. Bar fined her and off we went. Love Fate!
EverythingThai
11-11-23, 14:45
If you want to experience a great go go away from the tourist stricken walking street, this is the place to go. Cozy little go go on the corner of Soi Bukao and Soi Boomerang. The talent in this place is really great. I always sit in the VIP seating to the left as you walk in, in the far corner. They have great VIP drink and food packages starting at 4000 Baht up to 6995 baht. You get two bottles, one whisky and one wine or champaign and some fruit snacks and nuts. Last time I was there, I drank with 3 ladies. We all shared the set I bought and I supplemented the girls with tequila shots to keep them happy. This booth has curtains and we closed those and what happened next can only be described as a full on orgy of action. The bill was 25 K Baht and well with every baht. They gave me a free shirt and a gold VIP card, which gives me 20% off by bin on all future visits.
If you are not into the VIP areas, there is seating all around the stage in like a narrow corridor style. They have shows similar to Angel Witch in Nana Plaza which are quite good. They even have two short time rooms on the premises. This place is cheaper than a walking street go go, but more expensive than most of the bars in the areas of Soi Bukao, Tree town, and Soi Pothole. A nice change up from the walking street go go bars. I have not been to Pin up or any other walking street go go for 2 years now. I have a lot more fun in the gents clubs and bars in and around the Soi Bukao area and Pratumnak area. Why? Because it's more relaxed. If you want to be a baller, you get a lot more value for your money. If you want to be a cheap charlie, it's much easier to be one. As for Soi 6, I don't go often unless I see a girl on Facebook that really catches my eye. Then I will go to the bar and spoil her with Tequila shots and then bar fine her LT.
EverythingThai
11-11-23, 15:02
Arrived Friday night.
The flags are back. Tour guide carries a flag, and 20 or so Asians (probably Chinese) follow them on a tour. Walking Street was packed with people. People with baby strollers, kind of funny.
Walked into XS. Saw a stunner on stage. Placed was totally packed. Didn't want to sit cheek to cheek with guys, so I left.
Walked into Shark Go-Go. Ordered a beer. Didn't notice at first, but this Korean was videotaping, and doing commentary. WTF! There's a sign that says no pictures or video. I don't want to be on youtube. Fuck the Shark Go-go. I will not return to that bar!
Dollhouse was closed. A shame. Probably my favorite for nudity / show / quality combo. The girls weren't that cute, but cuter than Windmill.
Windmill 2 is opened. It's across Windmill 1. It wasn't as crowded as the old Windmill 1 was peviously. Didn't go to Windmill 1 last night.I have not read such a negative report in a while. I would wonder why you even bother to came back to Pattaya. May I suggest you do what I do and stay away from walking street. You don't like the popular bars because they are too crowded and you don't like the you tubers helping the bar owners out by doing promo videos and you are too angry and miserable to politely ask them to stop or make sure the camera is not pointing in your direction. That's all it takes mate.
I would suggest you spend your time in the G clubs, beer bars, and smaller go go bars away from WS. You won't have to put up with all the tourists. What are the benefits of this? Your money goes a lot farther and if you want to cheap Charlie out, it's acceptable. This is why I love Pattaya. There are so many options, so many price points and so many areas to go. Something for everyone right. And if you are tired of going out, hop on TF or Tinder and call a freelancer over for a quiet night. Love Pattaya! FYI sometimes I miss covid. I turn on a live stream on Facebook or you tube. Send a few drinks and bar fine the girl right on the spot. She stops work and comes to my condo. I actually miss covid just for this reason alone. There are still bars live streaming now. Oh Arisa from Sexy Bar. If you like to watch that live stream, you will notice she disappears sometimes close to the end of the night. You have me to blame for that.
Has anyone been to this place yet since its morph into a gents club and trance club?
A full scam. YOu "buy" the opportunity to RENT a place. Have to hire staff yourself. However they control EVERYTHING. Music all.
Typical thailand. And suckers enough who buy that bullshit.
Only one who is making money there will be LasVegas / Mayflower.As they say; "A fool and his money are soon parted"! There are plenty of empty beer bars up and down Soi Diana and in the Tree Town areas. I would have rather seen the spot used as required parking for all the motorbikes that clog up LK Metro, Soi Diana and Soi Bukhao. A "charge to park" would probably generate more money than empty beer bars.
How is Pattaya these days. Are the prices still affordable. On my way back to Thailand in 2 weeks.
Go inside. Buy them a drink, and then short time them. Bingo.Thanks for sharing your sophisticated strategy, but I think you forgot to enlighten us with the most important part: give your dear sex provider her very well earned 5000 baht for her service.
TerryHintz
11-11-23, 18:30
I would like to describe this gents club to you guys. I was in there with a group of guys. The place is just crazy. They have a nice big sofa there that a group of guys can sit with the girls. Five minutes after walking in, we had 4 hot ladies sitting with us. Three nice Thai girls, one with big natural melons and a nice curvy body, not fat, and one Laos spinner. We started ordering shots for us and the ladies. After the shots came out, off came their tops and they all got busy. One of my buddies started getting a BJ right on the sofa next to me. My busy opposite me was almost fucking is girl right out in the open. My girl hops up on my lap and stats rubbing her big melons in my face and grabs my cock and starts rubbing it. Finally, one of my buddies grabs his gils, throws her over his shoulder like a cave man claiming his property and carries her up to the short time room. Then I start getting blown on the sofa. It got just too much for me and I had to pull her off. Bar fined her and off we went. Love Fate!I'm definitely putting these recommends you've made in my plan. I really want that VIP pornstar experience for just a day. Is the price point similar to the 25 k baht you said for Play Girlz?
I have not read such a negative report in a while.Huh? Geez! I guess you haven't read a lot of the write-ups. Thought I wrote a factual report. Why was it negative? I don't like to squeeze in between people. I don't like when people squeeze me in when I'm sitting at the bar.
I would wonder why you even bother to came back to Pattaya.Because Thailand is IMO the best country for quality, price, safety, food, infrastructure, and atmosphere.
You don't like the popular bars because they are too crowdedThat's correct. I don't like to squeeze in and sit check to check with guys, even though XS might have the best looking girls. So that is why I will come back later on the weekday, or maybe come in earlier.
you don't like the you tubers helping the bar owners out by doing promo videosAre you a bar owner? FUCK the bar owners if they allow that shit. I think I and most people here expect not to be videotaped and put on Youtube when we enter a Go-Go bar BROTHEL.
you are too angry and miserable to politely ask them to stop or make sure the camera is not pointing in your direction. That's all it takes mate.I may be angry and miserable, but that is a different issue.
When I arrived, it was too late, I was already in the video. I don't think he would have deleted the video if I asked. Also, I've seen videos where the guy was purposely put in the video because he got perturbed and asked.
How is Pattaya these days. Are the prices still affordable. On my way back to Thailand in 2 weeks.Prices for what? Maybe be a little more specific if you want commenters to answer your questions.
EverythingThai
11-11-23, 19:35
Huh? Geez! I guess you haven't read a lot of the write-ups. Thought I wrote a factual report. Why was it negative? I don't like to squeeze in between people. I don't like when people squeeze me in when I'm sitting at the bar.
Because Thailand is IMO the best country for quality, price, safety, food, infrastructure, and atmosphere.
That's correct. I don't like to squeeze in and sit check to check with guys, even though XS might have the best looking girls. So that is why I will come back later on the weekday, or maybe come in earlier.
Are you a bar owner? FUCK the bar owners if they allow that shit. I think I and most people here expect not to be videotaped and put on Youtube when we enter a Go-Go bar BROTHEL.
I may be angry and miserable, but that is a different issue.
When I arrived, it was too late, I was already in the video. I don't think he would have deleted the video if I asked. Also, I've seen videos where the guy was purposely put in the video because he got perturbed and asked.I see that you have very cleverly picked only snippets of my post and quoted LOL. Walking street is not for you mate and I have outgrown it. Just such a negative report. Negative meaning there was not one positive part LOL.
EverythingThai
11-11-23, 19:38
Thanks for sharing your sophisticated strategy, but I think you forgot to enlighten us with the most important part: give your dear sex provider her very well earned 5000 baht for her service.Do you really pay 5000 Short time to a Soi 6 girl? Do you not know short time is 1000-1500 baht plus the room? Anyways, I am not saying I have not paid 5000 Baht ST before, but it was under unique circumstances. Top say a well deserved 5000 baht is the going rate for short time on Soi 6 and in Repent is just not accurate.
Banana Boi
11-11-23, 23:45
Thanks for that, think I'm going to start reading the Japanese thread then.
Never considered Japan because I always thought it's too expensive.You're not going to find much info. It's all kind of hush hush. Just to clarify I'm talking on par with a top gogo girl on Walking Street or a top girl on Burgos in Makati, not Soi 6 or Thermae pricing.
The one issue with Japan is it's VERY illegal. If you work and can't be randomly detained for 21 days by police on just suspicion, it may not be the best idea to do P4P in Japan. I'm not a big Kabukicho Tachinbo guy but police have really been cracking down on tachinbo girls and customers for a while now. Just search 'tachinbo' on YouTube and you will find a few guys who walk around Okubo Park every night videoing the girls and guys.
There are no videos where I go cause it's yakuza run.
I would like to describe this gents club to you guys. I was in there with a group of guys. The place is just crazy. They have a nice big sofa there that a group of guys can sit with the girls. Five minutes after walking in, we had 4 hot ladies sitting with us. Three nice Thai girls, one with big natural melons and a nice curvy body, not fat, and one Laos spinner. We started ordering shots for us and the ladies. After the shots came out, off came their tops and they all got busy. One of my buddies started getting a BJ right on the sofa next to me. My busy opposite me was almost fucking is girl right out in the open. My girl hops up on my lap and stats rubbing her big melons in my face and grabs my cock and starts rubbing it. Finally, one of my buddies grabs his gils, throws her over his shoulder like a cave man claiming his property and carries her up to the short time room. Then I start getting blown on the sofa. It got just too much for me and I had to pull her off. Bar fined her and off we went. Love Fate!Amen, Club Fate is the absolute DOGS bollocks.
I have been with this one several times. I made a video with her too. BBFS CIP. Wonderful melons.She is a true 10 IMHO.
In every way.
YMMV.
Raj Patela
11-12-23, 01:11
You're not going to find much info. It's all kind of hush hush. Just to clarify I'm talking on par with a top gogo girl on Walking Street or a top girl on Burgos in Makati, not Soi 6 or Thermae pricing.
The one issue with Japan is it's VERY illegal. If you work and can't be randomly detained for 21 days by police on just suspicion, it may not be the best idea to do P4P in Japan. I'm not a big Kabukicho Tachinbo guy but police have really been cracking down on tachinbo girls and customers for a while now. Just search 'tachinbo' on YouTube and you will find a few guys who walk around Okubo Park every night videoing the girls and guys.
There are no videos where I go cause it's yakuza run.Any intelligence if ex Porn Stars are available. Specifically AYU SAKURAI.
Raj Patela
11-12-23, 01:16
For those who don't like crowds. I'm in the middle- I don't like being Squeezed in between 2 Obese chain smoking rich Korean s, has this ever happened, NO. Just making a legit scenario.
These 2nd thru 5th tier place Agogo have one thing in common. No customers. Hahahaha.
1st time went to Bliss. Only reason 55 baht drink. I don't know if any girl on Thai Friendly could command more than 3 fiddy. Had a table in prime seat section all to myself. L.
Raj Patela
11-12-23, 01:29
How is Pattaya these days. Are the prices still affordable. On my way back to Thailand in 2 weeks.This is why I constantly Harp on the Price issue. It what guys want to know.
One guy says 1,000 and you In Paradise.
The rest of us will say No Way Jose.
Who is right. It's not Debatable. LOL.
I would like to describe this gents club to you guys. I was in there with a group of guys. The place is just crazy. They have a nice big sofa there that a group of guys can sit with the girls. Five minutes after walking in, we had 4 hot ladies sitting with us. Three nice Thai girls, one with big natural melons and a nice curvy body, not fat, and one Laos spinner. We started ordering shots for us and the ladies. After the shots came out, off came their tops and they all got busy. One of my buddies started getting a BJ right on the sofa next to me. My busy opposite me was almost fucking is girl right out in the open. My girl hops up on my lap and stats rubbing her big melons in my face and grabs my cock and starts rubbing it. Finally, one of my buddies grabs his gils, throws her over his shoulder like a cave man claiming his property and carries her up to the short time room. Then I start getting blown on the sofa. It got just too much for me and I had to pull her off. Bar fined her and off we went. Love Fate!Can you "almost be fucking someone"? Was he dry humping the air?
ElMexicant
11-12-23, 04:12
A bit off-topic but a warning so no one gets caught off guard having their holiday ruined.
I happen to be at a meeting in regard to Immigration this week. In Jomtien, effective October reports so far have been inconsistent but the news is in regard to the TM47.
This form is normally filled out by the hotel to immigration. It has been on the books since 1979, but has never been an issue Jomtien now has made a big issue of it a few years back it was the same old stuff.
The report must be made within or within 24 hours by the hotel. At Jomtien immigration there are changes in the waiting area or outside the main building parking lot is no more it has a number of offices broken down into departments. Outside of doing your 90 reports or obtaining a TM47, you need to Q up at the information desk to get into the main building for a Visa extension.
Those who reside at a Hotel, resort, or Airbnb, and don't stay longer than 30 days generally do not need to worry but if you decide to stay longer and need to make a visit without the TM47 you will run into a problem. The key although it is the responsibility of the hotel, owner if you don't have a TM47, you will need to pay 2000 in a fine..TM47 is more of 90 days reporting. Most tourists travel here on a 30 day exemption or 60 days tourist visa. If you stay under 30 days, you don't have to do anything. If plan on extending your 30 day exemption to an additional 30 days extension, then a TM30 should have been filed 24 hours upon check in at hotel. This is the same for the 60 day tourist visa plus another 30 days extension. However, Immigration has some recent issues with their online TM30 website that the hotels and landlords use. So nobody was able to file the TM30 online for their guests. For most, it wasn't necessary because they stayed under 30 days. But for those wanted to extend, there came a shock when they tried to extend without the TM30 ever being filed. They had to pay a 2000 fine. Because the law is that it's still the tourist's responsibility to file their TM30 (within the 24 hour window) if they are going to extend, website down or not. You can do that at Window A Immigration Jomtien for free. Do it pithing 24 hours of arrival and check in. Just bring your hotel receipt and their contact info or business card. That way Immigration has you registered with an address before trying to extend. There will sample an address notification slip into your passport and you can come back whenever to do the extension for 1900. Don't the TM30 in 24 hours and you will be paying 2000 penalty and 1900 for the extension.
EverythingThai
11-12-23, 04:25
Amen, Club Fate is the absolute DOGS bollocks.That's your opinion mate. Maybe you always go on bad days when the girls are not good or some other reason.
EverythingThai
11-12-23, 04:27
Prices for what? Maybe be a little more specific if you want commenters to answer your questions.Food, accommodation, and the ladies. Thought it was a pretty clear question big boy.
Explorer8939
11-12-23, 04:45
This is why I constantly Harp on the Price issue. It what guys want to know.
One guy says 1,000 and you In Paradise.
The rest of us will say No Way Jose.
Who is right. It's not Debatable. LOL.Because the posters here occupy different niches in the Pattaya food chain.
We have the TF-Beach Road. Soi 6 group, who often pay 1,000 baht.
We have the Top Tier Gogo group, for whom price is no object.
And there are people in the middle group, who may pay 1,500ST in some cases, or other amounts in other circumstances.
So you cannot expect a One Price For All Ladies.
EverythingThai
11-12-23, 04:51
This used to be a great gents club. The girls would get naughty with you in the bar. Prices are really great. Then something happened. They started to employ ladyboys. Then things all went to shit. Saw this girl, or what I thought to be girl in their social media. I have to say, I can normally tell a ladyboy in a photo, but this one really looks like a girl in her photos and she is gorgeous. Alas, after seeing her in real, ladyboy ladyboy ladyboy. As soon as I saw her, I asked the question. She replied yes. I bolted faster than a Jackson Pollet.
It's a shame. When you go into a non ladyboy boy bar or gents club, you just don't want to play this guessing game. They should not employ ladyboys in a bar known for only having ladies. You guys be the judge. H
Stopped by Windmill 1. Same MO. Crowded like before, with naked girls on the show stage, working, doing whatever for drinks.
Stopped by Kinks (in LK Metro). Probably my favorite bar; the upstairs portion. Raunchy. You can lick a girl's pussy for a lady's drink. You can touch pussy for a 20 baht tip. For 56 cents. Amazing!
I stopped by a few other go-go bars in LK Metro. They were either bikini or topless.
The Silver bar on Soi 7 has been replaced by Lolipop, a weed store. The Silver bar on Soi 8 seems to have been replaced by a live music venue. A shame. I had many good times, especially at that bar on Soi 7.
Does anyone know of any go-go bars on Walking Street or LK Metro that has full nudity, besides the 2 Windmills and Kink? I like to have a cold beer and watch fully naked girls.
I see that you have very cleverly picked only snippets of my post and quoted LOL.OK. Guilty as charged.
But I don't how you can defend bar owners allowing Youtubers to videotape unsuspecting customers that walk into their brothel bars. Standard is no videotaping or photos inside the go-gos.
Because the posters here occupy different niches in the Pattaya food chain.
We have the TF-Beach Road. Soi 6 group, who often pay 1,000 baht.
We have the Top Tier Gogo group, for whom price is no object.
And there are people in the middle group, who may pay 1,500ST in some cases, or other amounts in other circumstances.
So you cannot expect a One Price For All Ladies.Thank you for your most enlightened response to our expert on "Pattaya Pattaya / Bangkok Price and Appearance". We get many of them and the ones where he is not targeting me might be helpful to some people. They are not helpful to me. I am not a bar guy. But if he really thinks price is important he should welcome information on prices from everyone as you have pointed out everyone has different price points and every prostitutes has different amounts they will take. I have always interpreted a high price as indication from the prostitute that she does not really want to be with me.
As an example, I girl from Thai Friendly that I thought was a 800 girl wanted 1700. Caught me off guard. I just kept scrolling. But I looked back at her pictures again and realized that she had the kind of face, complexion and body style that a certain other demographic finds appealing. I look at who other guys are talking to are escorting and I am beginning to see the different type of Thai girls with a more refined eye. I am not understanding quite vividly that there is no universal standard of beauty for each individual man.
More than one guy has posted here and said they pay 1000ST. At least half a dozen have said it. One guy even pays 1200 LT. Right now there only one person saying price equals performance. Now, truth be told what they really mean is: "I pay whatever I have to get a girl I find attractive. ". I got no problem with that. My problem is individuals who are critical of me for my choices. Because sometimes even I will pay 1200 -1300 to see someone I really want. I just don't report on them as there are so many people reporting on 1000+ numbers no more of my input is needed.
I am going to share a secret. I often stay at hotel with my friends, we find a girl off of Thai Friendly and present her with this deal, come to the hotel we have two guys that want you. 800 each. She walks away with 1600 for one moto taxi ride to our hotel. She sees one guy after he is finished and he walks her over to my room. She takes a shower and then we do the deed. All the girls we did that with are still in touch with me and asking when my friends are coming back. Helps to think out of the box. You do not see me up in here complaining.
If we all listed the type of phones we used: I use a iPhone 14 Pro Max 512 GB nobody would be critical of the others phone. Except for maybe the classic: Android v iOS debate. You see saving on my booty bill allows me to save up and buy the phone I want. If we all listed the cars / motobikes we owned, no one would be critical of others choices. So, I ask, why do some need to be critical of the choices of the amount another man pays to hire his prostitute.
Man Law 101: No grown man ought to be telling another grown man how to spend his hard earned money or who to fuck. .
EverythingThai
11-12-23, 12:39
This used to be a great gents club. The girls would get naughty with you in the bar. Prices are really great. Then something happened. They started to employ ladyboys. Then things all went to shit. Saw this girl, or what I thought to be girl in their social media. I have to say, I can normally tell a ladyboy in a photo, but this one really looks like a girl in her photos and she is gorgeous. Alas, after seeing her in real, ladyboy ladyboy ladyboy. As soon as I saw her, I asked the question. She replied yes. I bolted faster than a Jackson Pollet.
It's a shame. When you go into a non ladyboy boy bar or gents club, you just don't want to play this guessing game. They should not employ ladyboys in a bar known for only having ladies. You guys be the judge. HThe photo was edited out and deleted so the whole post is worthless now. Sorry guys.
EverythingThai
11-12-23, 12:45
Stopped by Windmill 1. Same MO. Crowded like before, with naked girls on the show stage, working, doing whatever for drinks.
Stopped by Kinks (in LK Metro). Probably my favorite bar; the upstairs portion. Raunchy. You can lick a girl's pussy for a lady's drink. You can touch pussy for a 20 baht tip. For 56 cents. Amazing!
I stopped by a few other go-go bars in LK Metro. They were either bikini or topless.
The Silver bar on Soi 7 has been replaced by Lolipop, a weed store. The Silver bar on Soi 8 seems to have been replaced by a live music venue. A shame. I had many good times, especially at that bar on Soi 7.
Does anyone know of any go-go bars on Walking Street or LK Metro that has full nudity, besides the 2 Windmills and Kink? I like to have a cold beer and watch fully naked girls.
OK. Guilty as charged.
But I don't how you can defend bar owners allowing Youtubers to videotape unsuspecting customers that walk into their brothel bars. Standard is no videotaping or photos inside the go-gos.I am good friends with a bunch of your tubers, I don't know about what ones you have had contact with, but the ones that I know, often receive requests from guys to blur out their faces or to edit them out of the video, and they all comply with the request. It's about how you ask them. Some guys in Pattaya are very confrontational and that never ends well. Of course there are exceptions where some Pattaya you tubers are idiots, but most will do as you ask if you are polite. They bring a lot of business to the bars. I myself have seen a bar video on you tube and visited that bar. If it weren't for the video, I would never of known the place existed.
EverythingThai
11-12-23, 12:47
Can you "almost be fucking someone"? Was he dry humping the air?Well, his dick was out and he was on top of the girl grinding her. Does not take a rocket scientist to understand that. Geeze some of you guys are quite the bunch in here. People post legitimate reports and you pick the reports apart like fucking online troll chemists. Just read the content posted and enjoy it.
LittleBigMan
11-12-23, 13:40
TM47 is more of 90 days reporting. Most tourists travel here on a 30 day exemption or 60 days tourist visa. If you stay under 30 days, you don't have to do anything. If plan on extending your 30 day exemption to an additional 30 days extension, then a TM30 should have been filed 24 hours upon check in at hotel. This is the same for the 60 day tourist visa plus another 30 days extension. However, Immigration has some recent issues with their online TM30 website that the hotels and landlords use. So nobody was able to file the TM30 online for their guests. For most, it wasn't necessary because they stayed under 30 days. But for those wanted to extend, there came a shock when they tried to extend without the TM30 ever being filed. They had to pay a 2000 fine. Because the law is that it's still the tourist's responsibility to file their TM30 (within the 24 hour window) if they are going to extend, website down or not. You can do that at Window A Immigration Jomtien for free. Do it pithing 24 hours of arrival and check in. Just bring your hotel receipt and their contact info or business card. That way Immigration has you registered with an address before trying to extend. There will sample an address notification slip into your passport and you can come back whenever to do the extension for 1900. Don't the TM30 in 24 hours and you will be paying 2000 penalty and 1900 for the extension.Thank for properly writng it. Majority will be under the time period and if you decide stay longer using Airbnb particular if own by foreigner he / she better have a work permit.
Those like myself who has a address of my wife everytime I leave come back must file a new TM30 Although same address supposely can't report online unless I upload documents esch time.
Do you really pay 5000 Short time to a Soi 6 girl? Do you not know short time is 1000-1500 baht plus the room? Anyways, I am not saying I have not paid 5000 Baht ST before, but it was under unique circumstances. Top say a well deserved 5000 baht is the going rate for short time on Soi 6 and in Repent is just not accurate.Of course that's not what I pay, I think by now every body knows I refuse to overpay.
I said 5000 baht because you already paid that amount for LT in 2021, in the middle of the pandemic. I think it's fair to think someone who gladly overpaid when the girls were in trouble getting customers is still overpaying when these same girls are trying to jack up the prices. I could even have said 10000 given you're ready to pend 25000 in another venue and get little in exchange.
The problem with going the direct path as you suggested is that in my experience it always led to the girls quoting higher than normal prices, and almost all the time they were not even open to negotiation which is a no go for me. That's why I prefer they make a genuine move to attract me before I try my luck with them.
EverythingThai
11-12-23, 16:42
Of course that's not what I pay, I think by now every body knows I refuse to overpay.
I said 5000 baht because you already paid that amount for LT in 2021, in the middle of the pandemic. I think it's fair to think someone who gladly overpaid when the girls were in trouble getting customers is still overpaying when these same girls are trying to jack up the prices. I could even have said 10000 given you're ready to pend 25000 in another venue and get little in exchange.
The problem with going the direct path as you suggested is that in my experience it always led to the girls quoting higher than normal prices, and almost all the time they were not even open to negotiation which is a no go for me. That's why I prefer they make a genuine move to attract me before I try my luck with them.5000 was LT mate and it was not a normal LT. We were talking about short time right? Anyways, crack on mate and continue walking up and down Soi 6 until you find your dream girl that gives it up for 500 Baht ST. In the meantime, the rest of us will be having fun and not thinking so much. Who wants to come to Patttaya for that? To each their own I guess.
EverythingThai
11-12-23, 16:47
Thank you for your most enlightened response to our expert on "Pattaya Pattaya / Bangkok Price and Appearance". We get many of them and the ones where he is not targeting me might be helpful to some people. They are not helpful to me. I am not a bar guy. But if he really thinks price is important he should welcome information on prices from everyone as you have pointed out everyone has different price points and every prostitutes has different amounts they will take. I have always interpreted a high price as indication from the prostitute that she does not really want to be with me.
As an example, I girl from Thai Friendly that I thought was a 800 girl wanted 1700. Caught me off guard. I just kept scrolling. But I looked back at her pictures again and realized that she had the kind of face, complexion and body style that a certain other demographic finds appealing. I look at who other guys are talking to are escorting and I am beginning to see the different type of Thai girls with a more refined eye. I am not understanding quite vividly that there is no universal standard of beauty for each individual man.
That's a good post as long as you don't criticize others for paying more because you think it will spoil the market for other who make a point of not paying more than a certain amount. Hopefully there is no double standard. For me, I pay what I pay so I can get a certain type of experience and I don't like to negotiate otherwise it ruins the mood. So, If I want PST with GFE style, and multiple pops with a spinner, Ill pay what I want so the girl does not have a chance of saying no or, making a counter offer. To me that's nest for me. Nobody has a right to tell me how to spend my money either. So, I like your idea with no double standard.
EverythingThai
11-12-23, 17:09
How is Pattaya these days. Are the prices still affordable. On my way back to Thailand in 2 weeks.
This is why I constantly Harp on the Price issue. It what guys want to know.
One guy says 1,000 and you In Paradise.
The rest of us will say No Way Jose.
Who is right. It's not Debatable. LOL.I don't know what Raj is going on about. I think I can answer your question without causing another price debate over the girls. Hotels seem to be more expensive compared to before covid times. Food and drinks seem to have stayed at the same rates or even cheaper as there is tons of competition. As for the price of the girls, Thai Friendly girls can rage anywhere from 1000-2000ST so that has not really changed too much. Go Go bars on walking street have increased their prices substantially to make up for the money they lost during covid, including the girls, and the prices to rent condos fluctuates so much. From below market value if you start your rental contract during low season to above market value presently because it's just the beginning of high season. Landlords also want to make up for their lost revenue from during covid when their condos were vacant or rented out at heavily discounted rates. My 120 M2 condo in Pratamnak cost me 13,000 Baht per month during covid. I am now at 17,000 baht and the owner wanted 22,000-25,000 Baht. I just assured him I would not moving from here and would stay for at least 5 more years. I got lucky as most places this size AR going for over 20 K baht per month. They will now insist on 2 months deposit again. The cost of Bolt taxis seems to have just gone up slightly and that is the preferred app to use in Pattaya. Grab is better in Bangkok and more expensive to use in Pattaya. Don't get caught up with the price police on here. Pay the girls what you want. Whatever makes you happy and gets you what you want and who you want.
One last thing, many girls are coming out of relationships with guys that helped them during covid. The girls were accepting less from them as expats here as they had no choice. Now that we are heading into the first real high season since covid, there are plenty of single Thai girls back in the game. There are tons and tons of girls in Pattaya now and still not enough punters. You will have a great time. Hope this helps.
Food, accommodation, and the ladies. Thought it was a pretty clear question big boy.With such a broad question, you're better off reading back on the forums. It could takes pages going over ladies, hotels and food.
EverythingThai
11-12-23, 18:02
Does anyone have a favorite Soi 6 bar? I seems to find the girls shuffle from bar to bar and most are all set up the same. Therefore, it's difficult to choose one or two favorites. However, Toy Box seems to have a constant line up of the same girls.
I have been accused of overpaying and underpaying. I am highly aware of the former as I feel it a crime to my fellow p4 p mates that we keep the playing field even so that there is always a decent supply / demand value market. I saw Pattaya 1st hand for several weeks in Oct and I'm back today, where bar after bar had 10-12-20 girls and only 3 or 4 punters yet said bars wanted 2 k Baht BF rates early in the evening, even 1 k at 11 pm. What business would I be taking if I took 1 girl and the other 3 blokes took 3 girls at an early hour. There would still be 10-15 girls and now no punters and the bar would at least have some $ for their troubles.
This trip I am paying a super hot TF big bazzoka model type 10 k for day / night with other, and as low as 1200 for a beautiful former bar girl for 2 hours. Most TF ladies were quoting me 3 k for 1 pop up to a week ago and now many are 1200-1500ST, 2500 LT etc. I tell the overyhyped 3 k ladies that they're simply not attractive enough and there will be zero business for them unless they get down to market rates. I keep telling them each and every time one tells me she wants 3 k ST, 7 K LT.
Yet I am going to pay one lady 10 k for around 36 hours.
YMMV.Where did you find the hottie in the picture? What is TF ladies?
Raj Patela
11-13-23, 00:37
I don't know what Raj is going on about. I think I can answer your question without causing another price debate over the girls. Hotels seem to be more expensive compared to before covid times. Food and drinks seem to have stayed at the same rates or even cheaper as there is tons of competition. As for the price of the girls, Thai Friendly girls can rage anywhere from 1000-2000ST so that has not really changed too much. Go Go bars on walking street have increased their prices substantially to make up for the money they lost during covid, including the girls, and the prices to rent condos fluctuates so much. From below market value if you start your rental contract during low season to above market value presently because it's just the beginning of high season. Landlords also want to make up for their lost revenue from during covid when their condos were vacant or rented out at heavily discounted rates. My 120 M2 condo in Pratamnak cost me 13,000 Baht per month during covid. I am now at 17,000 baht and the owner wanted 22,000-25,000 Baht. I just assured him I would not moving from here and would stay for at least 5 more years. I got lucky as most places this size AR going for over 20 K baht per month. They will now insist on 2 months deposit again. The cost of Bolt taxis seems to have just gone up slightly and that is the preferred app to use in Pattaya. Grab is better in Bangkok and more expensive to use in Pattaya. Don't get caught up with the price police on here. Pay the girls what you want. Whatever makes you happy and gets you what you want and who you want.
One last thing, many girls are coming out of relationships with guys that helped them during covid. The girls were accepting less from them as expats here as they had no choice. Now that we are heading into the first real high season since covid, there are plenty of single Thai girls back in the game. There are tons and tons of girls in Pattaya now and still not enough punters. You will have a great time. Hope this helps.I'm trying to be real.
Hotel prices have not gone up. Pattaya is Begging for Tourist s.
Condo pricing per others have not gone up either. All I hear is Bargains up the REAR end. LOL.
Raj Patela
11-13-23, 01:03
Try this.
It's not enough to give only prices you need to associate with quality.
1,ooo ish, I'm including up to. 1,199 baht. There is no YMMV, you are getting bottom of the Barrel Girls. Drugs, Diseased, Nasty, Ugly Muglies.
Above 1,199.
Your mileage may vary. I've seen Ugly Muglies go for 3,000. Not often but it happens.
Again there is nothing wrong liking Uglie, Muglies, etc. I'm glad they get Business. It help the ecosystem.
Where did you find the hottie in the picture? What is TF ladies?Thai Friendly = TF.
Lovely girl, true PSE, worth every Baht over 36 hours.
Raj Patela
11-13-23, 01:46
To sub.commandeer.
Your thoughts on changing that main street in Treetown to one way.
Explorer8939
11-13-23, 01:53
I visited the new Made in Thailand complex last. A lady I knew years ago told me she started work there at 20.00, so I went to find her.
There are an amazing number of bars there, so trying to find one bargirl is like the proverbial needle in a haystack. And at 20.00, there just weren't many customers, which means that that a single guy walking around was like raw meat for hungry pitbulls. After a while, the attention from bargirls got annoying. Now I know how a bargirl feels walking through flocks of moto drivers offering themselves to her.
Eventually I found her bar, but she wasn't there. On Messenger, she told me she was coming Real Soon Now. Which meant she had a customer, or was with a boyfriend. I ordered a drink, waited 30 minutes, and then was so irritated I went home. I should have ensured she was in the bar before going there.
Raj Patela
11-13-23, 02:54
I visited the new Made in Thailand complex last. A lady I knew years ago told me she started work there at 20.00, so I went to find her.
There are an amazing number of bars there, so trying to find one bargirl is like the proverbial needle in a haystack. And at 20.00, there just weren't many customers, which means that that a single guy walking around was like raw meat for hungry pitbulls. After a while, the attention from bargirls got annoying. Now I know how a bargirl feels walking through flocks of moto drivers offering themselves to her.
Eventually I found her bar, but she wasn't there. On Messenger, she told me she was coming Real Soon Now. Which meant she had a customer, or was with a boyfriend. I ordered a drink, waited 30 minutes, and then was so irritated I went home. I should have ensured she was in the bar before going there.You Funny Bro it's always she have Customer.
Anyone know if Kenny LGBTQIA in Pattaya was a success.
Having been in Pattaya I didn't even know he was coming. No flyers at Terminal 21 or Central at all. Who is in charge of Marketing?
If I can get somewhere on the Bhat minibus I take it. If I cannot get there directly I will take it and then walk. If I need door to door service I call Bolt. For the amount I spend on just Bol alone I could buy a motorbike. I can afford to buy a motorbike or car. Priced a E-class out at 50,000 USD (how do they do that). They are not that expensive here in Thailand. But, I prefer not to drive. Even though I am poor, I can pay to have people drive me.
Raj Raj, did you know I am up for full commander next year? LOL!
To sub.commandeer. Your thoughts on changing that main street in Treetown to one way.Actually I don't have any. Nor have I paid any attention to it. Why would I care about traffic patterns in Pattaya if I don't drive? Traffic is heavy on Second road due to the construction project where they are tearing up the roads constantly to bury the cables. No progress without pain.
I do like the food court in TreeTown. There is an excellent Mexican food stand where I have tacos and french fries. The manager of the shop even remembers me. I walk down few stalls and get a smoothy. One of my favorite ways to post up is at the bus bar on the corner across from hamburger place and weed shop. Nice try Raj Raj.
Chief of the boat, rig for dive, DIVE, DIVE, DIVE, make your depth six fi-viy feet.
Raj Patela
11-13-23, 03:06
Lots of posts but lots of things happening in Pattaya like Buzzin says. So one Pattaya Soi 6 girl has a Chinese Boy beaten by her 2 thugs the otherday.
Solution. Bring in Chinese Policeman from China to Control the area. What? Area meaning Pattaya and Phuket specific.
This world is going Nuts without Orange Man in Charge.
Man Law 101: No grown man ought to be telling another grown man how to spend his hard earned money or who he should fuck..
That's a good post as long as you don't criticize others for paying more because you think it will spoil the market for other who make a point of not paying more than a certain amount. Hopefully there is no double standard. For me, I pay what I pay so I can get a certain type of experience and I don't like to negotiate otherwise it ruins the mood. So, If I want PST with GFE style, and multiple pops with a spinner, Ill pay what I want so the girl does not have a chance of saying no or, making a counter offer. To me that's nest for me. Nobody has a right to tell me how to spend my money either. So, I like your idea with no double standard.Find my post with a double standard. I am not a Man Law 101 violator. If I have made a post criticizing someone for the amount they pay quote it and make me eat my words. Saying I don't do something is not being critical of another person.
If you have been following my posts I doubt you will find me being critical of what others pay. IRL: I pay for what I want to pay. 400 USD for two tennis racquets; 100 - 200 USD for a wedge or putter; Wagu Steak; Good bottle of bourbon; my iphone. I just don't think it is important to pay a lot for pussy. That is called an opinion.
Here is what I believe: Price alone does not mean that the prostitute your hired is more attractive or performed at a higher quality. I have been tricking since I was 50 years old. Never needed to before then and my personal believe is that if you are young man you shouldn't be either but times have changed. I get that.
In my experiences price has never been related to the quality of the girl nor her performance world wide. This is Thailand. Thailand has prostitutes. I hire prostitutes in Thailand. My experiences here have been consistent with my opinion.
You pay 2000 to get what you want. I pay 1000 to get what I want. Afterwards we are both happy. Therefore what we each paid our prostitutes is what they are worth to us. If you ask me why I only pay 1000, I will tell you that if I paid 2000 each time after I fucked a prostitute 20 times, I would not have been able to buy my PS5 (1000 x 20 = 20000).
I am not rich and I offer no apologies nor do I have any embarrassment about it. I prefer to "emulate a poor Thai" complete with a gold necklace and pinky ring. I do not care about anyones opinion of me. Especially anyone posting on ISG that I do not know in person. I able to maintain residences around the world hub and spoke style. Precisely because I am living within my means.
What I am critical of are individuals who are going to tell me personally that I am only getting lowest quality girls. Now if they do this:
It's not enough to give only prices you need to associate with quality. 1,ooo ish, I'm including up to. 1,199 baht. There is no YMMV, you are getting bottom of the Barrel Girls. Drugs, Diseased, Nasty, Ugly Muglies. Above 1,199. Your mileage may vary. I've seen Ugly Muglies go for 3,000. Not often but it happens. Again there is nothing wrong liking Uglie, Muglies, etc. I'm glad they get Business. It help the ecosystem.I am fine with it. He stated his opinion. He did not direct his post at anyone in particular. I understand this is his opinion. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. I just don't happen to agree with it. I do not have to.
There have been over a half dozen posts from guys paying girls in the entire range of amounts he specified. His comments about the prostitutes at different price points are his opinion. I repeat his opinion. As long as it is not directed at me. Several individual seem to have a problem up in here with others who do not do things their way.
Opinions should be spoke about the subject not directed at other posters here providing reports and price points. In my opinion, quality has nothing to do with price nor performance in a absolute sense.
Thai Friendly girls can rage anywhere from 1000-2000ST so that has not really changed too much.This is an experienced poster and I am a new poster. So, this tells me that 1000 - 2000ST is market price for ThaiFriendly and Beach Road.
Go Go bars on walking street have increased their prices substantially to make up for the money they lost during covid, including the girls, and the prices to rent condos fluctuates so much. From below market value if you start your rental contract during low season to above market value presently because it's just the beginning of high season. Landlords also want to make up for their lost revenue from during covid when their condos were vacant or rented out at heavily discounted rates. My 120 M2 condo in Pratamnak cost me 13,000 Baht per month during covid. I am now at 17,000 baht and the owner wanted 22,000-25,000 Baht. I just assured him I would not moving from here and would stay for at least 5 more years. I got lucky as most places this size AR going for over 20 K baht per month. They will now insist on 2 months deposit again. I can verify this just at a different price point. First room I rented in Jomtiem cost me 17,000/ month (48 m2). Was informed that price was going up to 25,000/ month as were headed into high season and that I had to vacate as they had another tenant that was ready. They offered me another room in their inventory. I declined. Walked across the street down one block and got a room for 8000/ month. Small yes, but big enough for me. Plus the owner purchased everything new for me. The location is better (for me). The room has sat vacant for two years. So, it really depends on the price point you are seeking in the market you are in.
The cost of Bolt taxis seems to have just gone up slightly and that is the preferred app to use in Pattaya. Grab is better in Bangkok and more expensive to use in Pattaya. Don't get caught up with the price police on here. Pay the girls what you want. Whatever makes you happy and gets you what you want and who you want.
One last thing, many girls are coming out of relationships with guys that helped them during covid. The girls were accepting less from them as expats here as they had no choice. Now that we are heading into the first real high season since covid, there are plenty of single Thai girls back in the game. There are tons and tons of girls in Pattaya now and still not enough punters. You will have a great time. Hope this helps.He is right plus new ones turning 18 everyday all across Thailand. I have 180+ unanswered messaged in my Thai Friendly mail box. Many of the prostitutes I have hired stay in contact with me and would like to see me again.
There is absolutely no reason for individuals posting here on ISG to be negative about the reports from others or negative about Pattaya. After all if you had enough money to get here, you have enough money to go somewhere else.
3 nights in Pattaya last week with couple friends. Taking them through the different debauchery venues! One of them a first timer and he had a great time.
Day 1: Soi 6 + Boomerang Clubs.
Soi 6 was crazy as ever, but the quality imo was average. Quite liked the bunch of girls at a bar with a New Yorker manager (My Friend You bar? And Desire. We had beers in 3-4 bars, and while a couple bars sported solid talent, neither of us pulled the trigger. Headed to Soi Boomerang to check out the clubs out there. Club Fate was busy, girls totally fun, but didn't find any lookers so headed to Heaven Above. Finished a bottle of Sangsom, vibed with a cutie (Ploy?) who requested I bar fine her and friend too and the friend would pay me back (since she wanted to quit work for the day). Did that and headed to the hotel to then find Ploy to be in a big hurry! As you can imagine, not a great experience. Came down to find the friend waiting for her. LOL, they obviously had other plans! Had a couple beers and then quit for the night.
Day 2: Walking Street + Boomerang Clubs.
Warmed up at the Aussie Bar playing pool with the ladies there before hitting the go-gos. Started with Windmills (full-nude, friendly, decent talent, lot of action in the top floor), Skyfall (much better talent, friendly again, although only topless, tequila shots consumed), and one other I forget the name of, sorry (because of the tequila shots! A few LDs were bought in each go-go and a good time was had. Despite our group having 2 Indians, we were welcomed in all the go-gos. Don't know if it was because of my dashing looks, or my white American friend.
Decided Heaven Above was the better venue for us and we headed back there. Great time was had as we closed down the bar at 3 am buying and receiving shots in return from the mamasan!
Day 3: Pothole Bars + you guessed it. Heaven Above!
It was our last night in Pattaya. We decided to check out a bunch of bars at Pothole, maybe catch a band, before closing up at Heaven Above. Hit 8-10 bars on Pothole. More than decent talent available. A few STs later, we were at Heaven Above, doing exactly what we did last night. Having a ball before closing down the bar!
All said, a great time had and while there was far fewer STs than imagined, the short trip was well worth it for all of us. Heaven Above is going to be a permanent fixture for all my future Pattaya plans (unless things change there for the worse).
If any newbies to Pattaya have any questions. Ask away.
Cheers / Pulse.
Explorer8939
11-13-23, 05:05
To sub.commandeer.
Your thoughts on changing that main street in Treetown to one way.The rumor is that Soi Buakhow will be changed to one way Real Soon Now.
Raj Patela
11-13-23, 06:21
Weirdest thing I've seen in all my years. Central Shopping.
Ramen Shop.
An old Asian walks in with an old Asian woman. , God Awful. You know the Drill. Hahaha.
I'm pretty sure she is Thai and on the Game. Both look over 70.
I thought only Farangs took that demographic of worker.
I'm Happy for her. I'm wondering about the guy. I know, to each his own. Too bad I don't know pricing.
Does anyone know of any go-go bars on Walking Street or LK Metro that has full nudity, besides the 2 Windmills and Kink?Angels (upstairs bar) in LK Metro has full nudity.
EverythingThai
11-13-23, 08:07
I'm trying to be real.
Hotel prices have not gone up. Pattaya is Begging for Tourist s.
Condo pricing per others have not gone up either. All I hear is Bargains up the REAR end. LOL.I am here now, so sadly you are mistaken. Everything on here is on big debate LOL.
Does anyone have a favorite Soi 6 bar? I seems to find the girls shuffle from bar to bar and most are all set up the same. Therefore, it's difficult to choose one or two favorites. However, Toy Box seems to have a constant line up of the same girls.My favorite bar is the one where my favorite girl is working.
Seriously, if I had to chose one between all the soi 6 bars I tried I would say Roxy, but their male manager just moved to work for palace Agogo recently so not sure if they would still be good with the new manager.
EverythingThai
11-13-23, 14:41
3 nights in Pattaya last week with couple friends. Taking them through the different debauchery venues! One of them a first timer and he had a great time.
Day 1: Soi 6 + Boomerang Clubs.
Soi 6 was crazy as ever, but the quality imo was average. Quite liked the bunch of girls at a bar with a New Yorker manager (My Friend You bar? And Desire. We had beers in 3-4 bars, and while a couple bars sported solid talent, neither of us pulled the trigger. Headed to Soi Boomerang to check out the clubs out there. Club Fate was busy, girls totally fun, but didn't find any lookers so headed to Heaven Above. Finished a bottle of Sangsom, vibed with a cutie (Ploy?) who requested I bar fine her and friend too and the friend would pay me back (since she wanted to quit work for the day). Did that and headed to the hotel to then find Ploy to be in a big hurry! As you can imagine, not a great experience. Came down to find the friend waiting for her. LOL, they obviously had other plans! Had a couple beers and then quit for the night.
Day 2: Walking Street + Boomerang Clubs.
Warmed up at the Aussie Bar playing pool with the ladies there before hitting the go-gos. Started with Windmills (full-nude, friendly, decent talent, lot of action in the top floor), Skyfall (much better talent, friendly again, although only topless, tequila shots consumed), and one other I forget the name of, sorry (because of the tequila shots! A few LDs were bought in each go-go and a good time was had. Despite our group having 2 Indians, we were welcomed in all the go-gos. Don't know if it was because of my dashing looks, or my white American friend.
Decided Heaven Above was the better venue for us and we headed back there. Great time was had as we closed down the bar at 3 am buying and receiving shots in return from the mamasan!
Day 3: Pothole Bars + you guessed it. Heaven Above!
It was our last night in Pattaya. We decided to check out a bunch of bars at Pothole, maybe catch a band, before closing up at Heaven Above. Hit 8-10 bars on Pothole. More than decent talent available. A few STs later, we were at Heaven Above, doing exactly what we did last night. Having a ball before closing down the bar!
All said, a great time had and while there was far fewer STs than imagined, the short trip was well worth it for all of us. Heaven Above is going to be a permanent fixture for all my future Pattaya plans (unless things change there for the worse).
If any newbies to Pattaya have any questions. Ask away.
Cheers / Pulse.This is an excellent report. I have a question. Since your bad experience with the two bar fines from Heaven Above, I'm surprised you went back. What was the reason for going back?
EverythingThai
11-13-23, 14:42
Angels (upstairs bar) in LK Metro has full nudity.Any Kink style shenanigans allowed?
EverythingThai
11-13-23, 14:55
Man Law 101: No grown man ought to be telling another grown man how to spend his hard earned money or who he should fuck..
Find my post with a double standard. I am not a Man Law 101 violator. If I have made a post criticizing someone for the amount they pay quote it and make me eat my words. Saying I don't do something is not being critical of another person.
I never said you posted with a double standard mate. I said I hope there is no double standard. I see your posts and you are one of the only guys on here who actually knows what they are talking about.
The only difference between you and me is this hobby is more of a priority for me over buying gadgets LOL. Gadgets are my 2nd weakness. If I see a stunner and she will do what I want, I will pay large. The most I have paid for an over night is 20 K baht. The least I have paid for an overnight is 2000 Baht. For ST, the most I have paid was 10,000 baht. The least was 800 baht.
I like to go out to the bars and buy drinks for the ladies as it creates a good vibe and I have great fun. Often getting freebies in bars like Club Fate, Maggie Mays, and Cat flaps behind the curtains.
I love Pattaya because it has something for everyone. The Cheap Charlie will have a blast. The baller will have a blast. I am stuck in the middle. One night I am a baller at a club. The next night I Cheap Charlie out and get a 1200ST to my condo.
Peace out.
Did that and headed to the hotel to then find Ploy to be in a big hurry! As you can imagine, not a great experience. Came down to find the friend waiting for her. LOL, they obviously had other plans!Are you curious to know what these girls plan was?
Ask Mr Explorer, he knows it all about off-hours hobbying of Pattaya working girls.
Raj Patela
11-13-23, 15:42
Real Life Dow and Dirty on the Soi. You know which one Chat.
So I settled,. It's really hard to find an Attractive Girl. Not Stunner just attractive to my tasete. Baitoey being an Ideal.
1. She said she charges normal 2,500 but has never had a Customer at that price. Is she a 2,500 girl?
2. Her speech pattern was odd. Kind of Creepy.
3. There was no Chemistry. Just how it goes Chat.
4. Anyone notice people are able to sit on the Pattaya Beach without the Mafia getting in their face. Good thing.
Raj Patela
11-13-23, 15:50
Live reports. I'm sitting on the Beach surrounded by 8 of Pattaya's best beach road girls.
An old Norwegian prototype Monger goes up to Undoubtedly the ugliest one and offer 700 baht. No deal.
I thought his offer was way too High. She really really really unattractive. While among the other 7 there are Ok looking ones.
Sorry but I can't tell service Level s by just looking at them. Hahaha.
OMG Pattaya is fun.
All my life I been poor. But it really doesn't matter no more. Cuz no matter what they say. SubCmdr gonna be OK.
I never said you posted with a double standard mate. I said I hope there is no double standard. I see your posts and you are one of the only guys on here who actually knows what they are talking about.
The only difference between you and me is this hobby is more of a priority for me over buying gadgets LOL. Gadgets are my 2nd weakness. If I see a stunner and she will do what I want, I will pay large. The most I have paid for an over night is 20 K baht. The least I have paid for an overnight is 2000 Baht. For ST, the most I have paid was 10,000 baht. The least was 800 baht.
I like to go out to the bars and buy drinks for the ladies as it creates a good vibe and I have great fun. Often getting freebies in bars like Club Fate, Maggie Mays, and Cat flaps behind the curtains..You keep it 100 my brother. Much respect! Real recognize real.
In all aspects except for budget were are dead on point. I like Pattaya because strangely enough I have found my peace here. If I want to go hard in the paint, pull 10000 out of the ATM, roll up into Windmill 1 and have the mamasan move the cheap charlies out of my favorite seat cause me and my friend are each about to by a bottle and make it rain up in that mother fucker, I can do that. Balling on a budget for one night. The next night I can have one of my 1000ST girls come over. The next night my girl might come over and spent the night. When that happens I know I am going to get my dick sucked in the morning and blow a load of splooge into her mouth. She will still have time for a shower and a tea before she leaves for work. I ask you (not you my ISG brother because you already know what time it is) what exactly is there not to like?
Pattaya is fun. But you certainly cannot tell that from the all the negativity that gets posted up in here. LOL!.
Banana Boi
11-13-23, 17:36
if I had to chose one between all the soi 6 bars I tried I would say RoxyRoxy is always fun. One of my favorite Soi 6 girls since 2016 is Mook at Roxy. Not sure if she's currently there she comes and goes. I no longer go to the room with her but I do buy her drinks. She's a lot of fun even downstairs.
The rumor is that Soi Buakhow will be changed to one way Real Soon Now.
Going North to South I hope. That's how I get to Walking Street!
I am here now, so sadly you are mistaken. Everything on here is on big debate LOL.I was in Pattaya Aug-Oct 2022.
I was in Pattaya Aug-Oct 2023.
I can say definitively that hotel prices went up between those two trips, very noticeably in fact.
I don't think they'll go higher than where they are at now though, tourists numbers will dwindle, high season will disappoint.
When I return during low season in 2024 I expect the prices will be same as in 2023. But we'll see.
MrHappyKat
11-13-23, 21:04
I visited Manila / Angeles for the 1st time earlier this year for 3 weeks. Had a very good time. Now I understand the risks and how to mitigate them as much as possible, so no lectures, please. I'm looking for BBFS / CIP and wondering if I can find that in Pattaya for around or near the same level of effort and price as I experienced in the Philippines. Specifically, I was able to get what I wanted, mostly ST for between $80-150 including bar fines with 9 out 10 sessions. (You can find several of my TR's in the Phills forum from Feb-Mar, 2023.).
Is it likely I can do the same in Thailand? I have read through several weeks of posts here, and although there is mention, it's not really clear to me if I can get what I'm looking for without paying 2 to 4 times "normal" rates. I'm planning a one-month trip for early Spring, 2024.
Any feedback or advice will be appreciated.
I just recently completed a 4-week trip to Southeast Asia. My original itinerary was aggressive, and included Singapore, Ho Cho Minh City, Phnom Penh, Manila, Angeles City, Pattaya and Bangkok. At the last minute I decided to scale it back and visited Singapore, HCMC, Pattaya and Bangkok. I will quote any prices in local currency unless I paid US dollars like on Agoda and Airbnb. Thai Baht was around 36 to the dollar the whole time. Singapore dollar was 1. 36 and the Vietnamese Dong was 24500. So, $100 is 36000 Thai Baht, 136 Sing dollars and 2,450,000 Vietnamese dong.
Transportation
Air
I got a good deal on a Singapore Airlines flight in Business Class by booking very early. The flight was from Newark to Singapore, a stopover in Singapore and then on to HCMC. My return was Bangkok to Newark, connecting in Singapore. I also had to book a round trip on United to get to and from Newark to connect with my Singapore flight. I really don't like to have separate tickets for flights like that as if something happens, you have to scramble to reschedule.
That EWR to SIN flight is long. Supposedly one of the longest flights in the world. Outbound it took almost 19 hours and the return over 17. The route on the outbound flight went eastward. Flying over Norway, Europe, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, India and Bangladesh. I was a bit paranoid about stray missiles. The return was over the Pacific, skirting Alaska and northern Canada. Luckily the service on the flight was excellent. Alot of decent food and plenty of drinks. I was able to catch some sleep but not enough.
I also flew on VietJet from HCMC to Bangkok. A budget airline similar to Spirit, I imagine. Spent almost an hour in the line to check in and then another hour to clear immigration. No issues with the actual flight. Next time I will probably spend a couple more $$ to fly a decent airline.
Taxi
I used Nam's taxi (namsladydrivers@gmail.com) for my trip from Bangkok Airport (BKK) to Pattaya (1200 baht) and from Pattaya to my Airbnb on Sukhumvit Soi 7 (1500 baht). I like Nam's as they employ strictly older Thai ladies as drivers. You can find rides a few hundred baht cheaper but you never know who is driving. Some Thai taxi drivers act like they have a death wish. Nam's drive newer Toyota Camrys, a ton of room in the back seat. They drive very carefully, just at the speed limit. They are always early and ready to go. I highly recommend them.
In Singapore and Vietnam, I used Grab. Uber was pretty much non-existent. Pretty straight forward and you can charge to your credit card like you do with Uber. Only issue was that the location service for your pickup location wasn't that great at times. Short rides were incredibly inexpensive.
In Pattaya I only used Grab once to go to a bar in Jomtiem (I had never been there). The trip there was fine but the driver got lost on the way back. I have a feeling he did not read very well and could not interpret the map. The rest of the time I just used the Baht Bus. The best transportation value in the world. 10 baht gets you down to Soi 6 on Second road or up to Walking Street on Beach Road. I still haven't used the Baht Bus up and down Soi Buakhao yet.
Hotels
This trip I decided to change things up and do some Condo rentals.
Since I was only going to be in Singapore a few nights, I just rented a hotel room, the Hotel BenCoolen on Hong Kong street, very near Singapore's Chinatown. $135 a night on Agoda. Yes, Singapore is expensive. A decent hotel, OK breakfast with pretty poor Wi-Fi. I was in a building just adjacent to the main building and had my own key card to access the building and the elevator. Would have been totally guest friendly as no one would see you go up. I didn't try as I did most of my playing in Geylang.
In Vietnam I rented an Airbnb. $31.42 per night. It was located in the heart of Little Japan / Japan Town. It was a very nice unit, large bed, washer, full kitchen and pretty good internet. Only downside was that it was on the second floor (the third level) and to get upstairs you had to climb a very narrow, winding staircase. Not an issue except trying to lug my suitcase up and down those stairs.
In Pattaya I usually stay at the Areca lodge which is a great hotel right in the heart of the action. Good rooms, great pools and a very good buffet breakfast. But I tried to book a week there for this trip after I adjusted my itinerary and there were no rooms available. So, I ended up at the Honey Boutique Hotel on Soi Honey. It is right across the street from the Acqua Hotel (another very nice hotel but only had the small rooms).
The Honey Boutique was a decent and inexpensive hotel. About $23 a night including taxes. A pretty large room, balcony, good bath and shower. Breakfast was OK and it was a shared service between 3 of their hotels in a little adjacent restaurant. They advertise a pool on Agoda but you really get to use the pool at the 24/7 Boutique hotel across the street. Only real negative was that the Wi-Fi wasn't too great. I would stay again but only if nothing better, like the Areca was available.
In Pattaya I then moved to a condo in the View Talay 6 building, room 22-838. I rented this through Dancewatchers. This was a very nice unit on the 22nd floor with a great view of the bay on the Walking Street side. I had a full kitchen, washer (no dryer), large comfortable King bed and mirrors everywhere, including over the bed. A nice 5. 1 TV setup which I really didn't use. Excellent internet with a dedicated router. I opted to get the daily housekeeping and that contributed to a pretty high cost of $70 per night.
The View Talay 6 building is conveniently located on Second Road right next to the Central Festival mall. In the basement of the mall is an incredible grocery / food court where you can get almost any imported food item you might want. On the first floor of the VT6 building are a number of massage shops, convenience stores and a little restaurant that was surprisingly good. I would definitely stay here again but would cut down on the housekeeping.
In Bangkok I rented an Airbnb on Sukhumvit Soi 7. It was a little way down the Soi so it was isolated from most bar noise and had few motos racing around. It was about a 5-minute walk to Sukhumvit and was very close to the Nana BTS station. The condo was pretty good. Full kitchen, washer / dryer combo. Nice king size bed in a separate room. There was a balcony but it was small and really no view. Just good enough to catch a quick smoke and hang some laundry. Very fast Wi-Fi and TV had access to Netflix, Prime, etc. But you had to use your own account. The only downside was that only two towels and one set of sheets was provided so you had to do without while you laundered them. I did not contract for any housekeeping services. The room was on the second floor and the elevator was always available and pretty quick. You enter the building through the garage and the security guard there pretty much just acknowledges your arrival as a keycard is necessary to entire the main building. The unit ran about $53 per night taxes and fees included.
Nightlife
Singapore
As I stated earlier, Singapore is expensive. A beer will generally run from S $15 to S $20. A pack of cigarettes is around S $15. Vaping is very illegal.
The first night I found two Indian hostess bars a short walk from my hotel. I really didn't stay long enough to figure out exactly how things worked in there but I did drink a S $15 beer. It looked like the dancers on the stage would come and sit with you if you bought them a drink. I saw a couple of customers call some girls down from the stage, chat for a minute or two and then the girls returned to the stage. I'm guessing that the lady drink costa was a bit prohibitive or they told the guys they were "drinks only" I. E. , no bar fine possible. I did splurge on another beer, watched but didn't see anyone I really wanted to talk to so I left.
Next to one of the Indian bars was another bar where you walked up a narrow staircase. It was a bit creepy but I went up anyway. When I got to the bar, I was pleasantly surprised. It was a relatively large space playing 70's, 80's rock and roll and there were a lot of cute women and very few customers. I sat down at a table and ordered a beer and was very pleased when I was told it was only S $10. As I drank the beer two pretty little things sat down at my table and we began to chat. They were Filipinas as were most of the women there. They spoke great English. They were under contract to the bar and stayed as a group in housing supplied by the bar owner. Didn't sound like the best situation. We chatted for a while and they never hit me up for a drink or asked for anything so I ordered another beer. I asked them what it would cost to buy them a drink and I almost fell over when one said S $60 each. She did day that they get S $35 of that and they have a drink quota of 7 drinks. Unfortunately for them I told them that was way out of my budget range. They didn't act surprised or get angry and continued to chat with me while a finished my beer. I didn't even ask them what a barfine would cost since a beer was S $60 and I was pretty beat from my long flight from the US. I thanked them, left and went back to my hotel and slept for 10 hours.
The next night I went to Ipanema. This bar used to be the main freelancer spot in the infamous Orchard tower, but has moved to a new location. To find it search google for the Ipanema World Music Bar. The new bar was very nice. It was a huge space with a lot of comfortable table and bar seating. A very good Filipino band was covering old rock and roll standards. They had two very hot female singers and a killer guitar player. I went pretty early, around 9:30 and it wasn't too crowded but there were still a lot of very pretty, well dressed freelancers roaming the bar area. Almost everyone I spoke with was Vietnamese. Most appeared to be in their 20's / 30's. Almost every one of them came by to talk and unlike many places like this they didn't immediately hit me up for a drink. Since they are freelancers, they don't make money hustling drinks but want you to take them back to your hotel. Most of them started out saying their fee was S $300 - S $500. I just smiled and said no thank you and then you could see them go into negotiation mode. I ended up with a gorgeous (IMO), petite 29-year-old Viet woman for S $150 for two hours. She said she would spend the night if I bought her breakfast. That was a no brainer and had a great time. I know I still overspent that night but I did want to revisit the Ipanema experience as I had been there 15 years ago when Orchard tower was known as the four floors of working girls. The new venue was a lot tamer but still a very good time.
I had done my research and found that the Geylang District is where you go to visit the legal massage parlors. While they are called massage parlors, they are really just brothels. All of the pricing is all in, there is no basic massage price and then an upsell for HJ, BJ or full service. Here everything is included for one price. There are probably 50 to 75 separate parlors and they are all basically set up the same. Each place usually has women from a single country. The only ones I encountered were Vietnamese, Thai and Chinese. Supposedly there are a few Filipino shops but I never saw one. The Chinese were usually a little more expensive. The reason I got was that a lot of the locals speak Chinese so it was easier to interact. Prices ranged from S $80 to S $120 for 40 minutes or an hour (varies by shop). Some places you won't see anything you like. No problem to just go to the next shop. They are used to it. The ones that I visited it seemed the procedure was pretty consistent. You speak to the manager (usually a guy) out front and discuss what you want. You choose the girl from a lineup or a fishbowl. You pay the full price up front. You go to the back where you a led to a shower. She will usually shower with you to be sure you are squeaky clean (mutual scrubbing allowed) and I am sure they also do an inspection of your equipment to be sure you don't have any obvious diseases. You dry off and go to a private room with a decent sized bed. She covers it with towels, you lay down and the fun begins. You can get a massage if you want but it won't be very professional. Every place I was you could do just about anything you wanted though I did not ask about anal. If you want that I would ask the guy at the front door and I am sure he would have someone to suggest. BJ was uncovered, sex was wrapped. DATY, fingering, kissing was all on the table. The session ends when your time is up, not when you finish. Afterwards shower and optionally tip the lady for a job well done. There were many cute, young women in a lot of the shops. There were also quite a few grannies. I had no problem finding someone I liked in most of the shops.
Ho Chi Minh City
As I was only here a couple of nights, I really didn't get out of the Little Japan area very much. I planned to explore the freelancer bars on Pasteur St but never got around to it. I was very disappointed that my favorite freelancer bar, Apocalypse Now, shut down during Covid and never reopened. Japan Town is expensive when compared to the rest of HCMC as it has a lot of well-heel Japanese tourists. In Japan Town, there are two types of places. The first are massage parlors. Unlike those in Singapore, these at least pretend to be about massage. These places are well lit and the women working in them were for the most part young and attractive. They were all very well dressed in similarly colored outfits. There were usually 10 to 25 women to choose from. The entry fee is 400 K dong (about $16) for a basic one-hour massage. You pay that fee and go to a private room with either a bed or a large massage table. You shower together and I swear every woman I was with thoroughly washed every nook and cranny on my body. You get on the bed and she starts a pretty underwhelming massage. After about five minutes she has you flip, crawls on top of you and asks if you want extras. HJ was 500 K dong, BJ was 1 M dong and full service was 2 M dong. I usually opted for the BJ. Again, BJ uncovered, sex covered. I found the pricing and procedures pretty consistent across all of the shops I visited.
The other type of venue was Japanese styled hostess bars. In these bars you basically buy drinks to have a very good-looking woman sit with you. They almost all speak passable English and Japanese. Apparently, this type of bar is very popular in Japan. Drinks for me were a bit pricey at 160 K dong but the lady drinks were 400 K or 500 K dong. I didn't ask about bar fines as I was getting satisfied in the massage parlors. I am sure, if available, it would be very expensive. I think that a lot of these women are "drinks only". I didn't spend too much time in these places.
One bar that was unique for Little Japan was Miss Saigon. This bar name is popular here in HCMC but this one is a little hole in the wall in Little Japan. I popped in there at 6 pm to get out of a downpour, on my way to dinner. It was the only bar I could find that opened before 8 pm.
Inside I got a beer and it was reasonably priced, around 45 K dong. There were 4 young women working in the bar, all attractive but not drop dead gorgeous. They were just working, chatting up the customers but not hustling, trying to get drinks. They played a lot of old western music and would let you pick songs for them to play off Spotify. The bar started to fill up with expats, Australian and UK folks. They seemed to be regulars as they knew the waitresses well. I saw they did buy the ladies a round of shots and I asked them how much it was. They were $160 K dong, about $6. 50. Not bad for a lady drink. I ended up buying them a round of shots myself and other customers did too. The owner came in, an attractive Viet MILF, she bought a couple of rounds. Everyone was getting hammered, especially the barmaids. They also were getting quite friendly with all of us. I'm sure a reasonable bar fine could have been negotiated but I was frankly this old guy was way too buzzed to do anything about it. I ended up leaving around midnight as I wanted to be sure I could find my way back to the apartment. I had a ton of drinks myself and bought a couple of rounds for the ladies and some drinks for a couple of the expats and probably spent around $60. I never did get dinner.
Pattaya
Pattaya is a playground. There are hundreds of bars, massage places and other venues centrally located that cater to our hobby. There were a lot more bars open than when I visited a year ago and most were staffed with a lot of women. Unfortunately (for them) there still weren't that many tourists for them to ply their trade so there was kind of a slight feeling of desperation. I visited a lot of them and there is no way to recount everything. I am just going to talk about some places that stood out. As an aside, most bars officially close at 2 am but will stay open later with the lights out if they still have customers. They exception are the nightclubs which really don't even get started until 11:30 pm or later. I seldom make it to closing time.
Walking Street
I only went down there a couple of times and that was primarily to visit one of my favorite bars in Pattaya, the Bamboo Bar. Around 10 or 10:30 Bamboo gets really crowded. The women are all freelancers and the majority are 30+ and quite a few into their 40's and 50's though I did see a few younger ones that probably are enjoying the lack of competition from other young women. They are always dressed nice and ready to party. Drinks at Bamboo are a bit pricey for Pattaya but there is no lady drink surcharge. Normal freelancer rates seemed to prevail with 1 k TO 1. 5 k be ST and 2. 5 K to 3 K be LT.
I hit a couple of Walking Street gogos and didn't stay very long. Drinks were very pricey and there was a lot of pressure to buy lady drinks. Bar fines were in the 1 K plus range and most of the women were starting negotiation at 5 K.
Hit a couple of beer bars on the main strip and the drink prices were surprisingly reasonable though when sitting you are constantly hounded by the myriad of ladyboys that hang just outside on the street.
Went into the original Windmills and it is just a raunchy as I remember it. For the price of a lady drink or two you can fondle, kiss, lick to your heart's content. I did not stop in top their new location just across the street.
Soi 6
It seemed like almost every bar location was open and fully staffed. Unfortunately, few customers but a caveat, I usually went early, just around 8 pm. The women are aggressive trying to pill you into their bar and I pity the poor Japanese dudes that walked down the street, they were literally mobbed. To me almost all of these bars are pretty much the same so if you see a woman you like, follow her in and buy her a drink. Most of the places I went were quoting 400 be for the room and 1500 be for them though a few were asking for 2 Kb and sticking to it.
Visually, one place stood out. About halfway down the street is a bar I believe is called Flirts. It looked like they had a "No Silicone" hiring policy. All of the women were petite and apparently natural. A few were simply adorable. Unfortunately, they had the balloons up that night for a party and they were jammed. The music was loud and really nowhere to sit.
LK Metro
I didn't hit any of the LK Metro gogos except for Kink. I think this place rivals Windmills on the raunchy scale and the women were a bit more attractive. Typical gogo drink and bar fine prices.
I also hit Billabongs on a couple of evenings. Live band (not too bad) every night and beers are two for one at 120 be. Manyu of the women working there are way past their sell by date but there were a few younger and attractive ones. Barfine was 300 be and typical takeaway price was 1. 5 k be.
Soi Buakhao / Soi Diana Area
Buakhao is probably my favorite Soi to just walk, sightsee and stop into a bar for a quick drink. It is also home to my favorite late-night snack, Bronx pizza. Many of the bars have live music and most of the workers can be barfined. Prices vary drastically from bar to bar but most are in the reasonable range. Some places do have some higher barfines as they are short-staffed and really don't want all of the women leaving before closing time.
A new nightclub opened on the corner of Soi Buakhao and Soi Chaiyapoon, Club Juju. This place has a live band, lots of seating and no real dance floor. Drink prices weren't outrageous for a nightclub and the server were very efficient. A lot of bar workers come here when their shift ends as well as a lot of regular freelancers. Since this is a nightclub, no lady drink surcharge and no barfine though most women wanted 2 K to 3 k be to go out. Since it doesn't start until very late you are probably going to be getting back to your room around 3 or 4 am and they will usually want to spend the night instead of getting a grab that late. So, you do generally get a little morning activity as well for the fee. One caution. Quite a few ladyboys frequent this place and they are usually dressed to kill and look pretty good. Don't get too drunk you can't tell the difference.
A couple of new bars on Soi Diana that had some attractive women working. The beer bar complex up toward second road was usually pretty dead. One of my favorite bars just to catch a drink and bullshit is Luck Bar right across from the Areca Lodge. I don't know why, but this bar always has a good crowd, despite the fact that there are only a couple of attractive women working there.
Soi Chaiyapoon
The road which I was told was recently "fixed" is still a mess of potholes. After a good rain it can be difficult to walk down the street without getting your feet soaked. No real bars stood out but I did hit Maggie Mays a few times. They have a couple of younger and pretty cute ones on staff now but they get scooped up pretty quickly. I did hook up with one of them and I believe it was 500 be for the room and 1500 be for her.
Not really on Chaiyapoon but down Soi Excite is Club Excite. I went in there after a disappointing trip to Soi Bongkot (see below) and was pleasantly surprised. Had a very pleasurable session with a very petite, almost western looking woman. Same prices as Maggie Mays. Afterward, I asked her what it would cost for her to visit me in my hotel after work (she was that good looking and gave great service) and she said 3 K be LT. Didn't pull the trigger.
Soi Bongkat
A short moto taxi ride from the Buakhao area are 4 or 5 gentlemen's clubs located side-by-side in what would be classified as a strip mall in the states. I hit all of them and didn't see anything I was interested in. Since it wasn't even dark outside yet, I was probably there too early.
Soi Honey
Some new bars have opened on Soi Honey. One of them is Lips Lounge about halfway up the Soi. Apparently, the owner of this bar used to own the notorious Pandoras gogo in LK Metro (I don't know if this is true or not). Well Lips Lounge has a similar format. About 3 or 4, medium attractive ladies dancing on stage and another 4 or 5 waiting their turn. Call any of them over and buy them a drink. After one or two drinks you will find your fly down and the lady giving you head. You can also reciprocate if you choose to. No additional charge for this service but they do expect a significant gratuity.
Stopped in the Runway Bar and the night I went I was not really impressed with the quality of the ladies working. They good ones might have already been barfined.
A new gentlemen's club, the Honey Lounge has opened. I stopped in late and there really weren't any women left to choose. Pricing similar to Maggie Mays.
Lots of "dirty" massage places on Soi Honey, Soi Chaiyapoon and Soi Buakhao. Generally, 300 be for the room and 1 K be for the woman for an hour of full service. Lots of very attractive ladies soliciting work at these places. Also, a lot of over-the-hill ones. Just be sure to pick a woman as there are quite a few ladyboys mixed in at the shops.
Bangkok
I was staying down Sukhumvit Soi 7. Last year I would have spent some time at the Beer Garden, but alas, it is no more. It has been replaced with a beer bar complex. As it was convenient and there were some good-looking women, I did drink here on a few occasions. I never did bar fine from here though so I do not know the prices.
Walking a few blocks up Sukhumvit, you will find the Thermae bar. This is a basement bar underneath the Ruamchitt hotel. Inside the bar you are quickly ushered to the counter where you are required to order a drink. Not cheap, not expensive for Bangkok. In the middle of the bar is kind of an open island where you can sit if there are seats available. The two time I went there it was absolutely packed with freelancers, a lot of them quite attractive, in every conceivable shape and size. The girls here are usually dressed in normal clothes (not * ware) and are not aggressive but will eyeball you, smile and wave if they are interested. A lot of people report that the women are mostly trying to attract Asian customers and will pretty much ignore westerners. I did not find this to be the case. I'm 68 years old, very white, tall, not overweight but definitely not these girl's ideal mate and I got all of the attention I could handle. Since this is a freelancer destination there is no bar fine and no lady drink surcharge. Take home fee was 1. 5 K to 2 K be. A couple of them said 3 K but you could tell they were just testing the waters. What I did find that a lot of these women only wanted to short time as they had to go to work in the morning.
Outside of Thermae all the way from Soi 11 to Soi 15 are a ton of freelancers just hanging out waiting for an interested customer. They were not aggressive and for the most part were dressed in regular, casual clothes. I did have probably one of my best sessions from one of these girls. Petite, sexy and a little dynamo for almost 2 hours. I probably overpaid at 1500 be but I was not disappointed.
Went to Nana Plaza a couple of times. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of incredible women in the gogos but it is incredibly expensive to drink for yourself and the lady drinks are outrageously priced. And as soon as you sit down, the mamasan or server is putting on a lot of pressure to buy at least one lady drink for a dancer and of course one for herself. I really didn't hang in any one gogo for very long.
The bars just outside of Nana Plaza on Soi 4 are good places to meet women. There are the servers who are barfinable as well as many freelancers hanging around. Drinks weren't too outrageous in these bars and the talent was pretty good. Hooter, across the street has some incredibly good-looking servers but I doubt that they can be barfined. I didn't ask but I imagine if you are a younger guy with some game, you could probably arrange an after-shift rendezvous (for a price of course).
There are a lot of small bars and some nightclubs on Soi 11. I never stayed up late enough to hit the clubs but did hit some of the smaller bars. Like most of Bangkok, a lot of pressure to buy the lady drinks.
Soi 7/1 is the debauchery soi. Two BJ bars most of the way down the soi, Annies, I believe it used to be Dr. BJs (not to be confused with the now closed famous massage place) and Wood Bar. Both of these places are pretty much the same. You pay 800 be to have a woman take you in a back room for a BJ. The women are a bit older and not that good looking but it is very dark inside. I did have to partake one time just for the experience. It was underwhelming but it was only 800 be.
Summary
Overall, I had a great time. I made the same mistake I make every trip, overdoing it the first few days then having to really scale back for a bit. I will return if I can find a reasonably priced business class flight. I will probably skip Singapore the next time just because of the cost factor. I do want to explore more of Vietnam as I am really attracted to the women. And of course, I would hit Thailand again, maybe spending a few nights in Chiang Mai.
I think my next major trip might be in April or May. I saw United had some not to outrageous flights to Manila that only stops once from my hometown. I would of course visit Angeles City but will look for another area, maybe Cebu or Subic to spend a few nights. I will probably only spend a couple of nights in Manila, just before and after my flights.
BackpackBrian
11-13-23, 22:09
I visited Manila / Angeles for the 1st time earlier this year for 3 weeks. Had a very good time. Now I understand the risks and how to mitigate them as much as possible, so no lectures, please. I'm looking for BBFS / CIP and wondering if I can find that in Pattaya for around or near the same level of effort and price as I experienced in the Philippines. Specifically, I was able to get what I wanted, mostly ST for between $80-150 including bar fines with 9 out 10 sessions. (You can find several of my TR's in the Phills forum from Feb-Mar, 2023.).
Is it likely I can do the same in Thailand? I have read through several weeks of posts here, and although there is mention, it's not really clear to me if I can get what I'm looking for without paying 2 to 4 times "normal" rates. I'm planning a one-month trip for early Spring, 2024.
Any feedback or advice will be appreciated.I was in Pattaya 2 months ago and I'll give some feedback for you.
Don't discuss BBFS, just go for it. Any negotiation will always lead to higher prices for you.
I spent most of my time in the gentleman's club (Passion, Kineree, etc), but also went to different SOI's, the high end Gogo's, beer bars and had some street walkers.
Here is how I approached it and so should you.
Gentleman's clubs.
I take the girl to the room. No negotiation for BBFS before going to the room, just a clarification on the price for sex, usually by the manager / mamason.
In the room, if the chemistry was good we started in right away and I tried to go BBFS without even attempting to put on a condom, many of the girls were ok with it.
In other cases, I jumped into the shower, she followed me in and I would start to have BBFS with her in the shower. If this was ok with her I knew we would continue in bed.
I would say about 60-70% of the girls from the GC's I went with were ok with BBFS+CIP.
Soapy's. Only went to Soi Honey on this trip as they are a little more expensive, but when in Rome!
Started sex with condom after bath and rub down, but after about 10 minutes I took the condom off and was able to persuade her to have BB sex.
She was a little reluctant but gave in after a few seconds of persuasion. I ended up giving her a $20.00 tip after. Massage - $70.00 + $20.00 tip = $90.00 US.
Street Walkers.
Didn't go with that many, but had a few back to my room.
Most asked if I had a condom and I said no. So BBFS was with most, but not all.
Prices ranged between $35-$50 US.
Gogo bars.
Same rule applies here, did not discuss BBFS, but received it with about 50% of the high end gogo girls.
I was expecting to have some say no, which they did, because they are a little more educated about STD's from their managers, etc so if they come down with something from you they are out of business. Because they cost so much more than beer bar girls, GC's, SW's, etc. , some were willing to give me that service without paying extra. (never offer to pay more because they will all want more).
I think BBFS is dependent on you and the girl. If you are under 45 years old, fit, attractive (by her standards) you will be better equipped to get what you want.
In Thailand, I wouldn't ask for BBFS up front unless you are not in this category and want her to charge you more. I'm sure the high end Gogo bar girls would ask for an arm and a leg for BBFS if you try and negotiate up front before leaving to your hotel room. So I avoid any and all pre negotiated prices for extra services. Remember this line, "It's always better to ask for forgiveness after than permission before" translate this into punting and you will always pay more and receive less if you try to negotiate all up front in Pattaya.
This, for me, is quite different than BBFS in Germany in places like Sharks, Palace, Artemis, etc where the girls nickle and dime you for each and every extra service now.
In Germany I always negotiate up front and ask if I can have BBFS. Some girls say yes, others say no. Sometimes I will try and persuade them anyways, but if they are educated on STD's as they are required to take weekly tests, many will decline unless they are really desperate for the money.
And in some cases I ask in the room. Most girls will ask for more (+50 E) for it.
I've had many sessions in FKK's where the girl will approach me and tell me I can do whatever I want to her.
When I hear those words and she looks good, off we go, no condom is used with BBFS+CIP.
Last disclaimer. I usually don't go with the youngest, prettiest little spinner in the clubs, bars, etc. I seek out the more mature, MILF types that have been around the block.
Maybe that's why I usually get what I want. YMMV will depend on your looks.
My advice is to get and use Prep from your doctor to reduce the risk of getting something you don't want.
Also use condoms.
Mods, can we add this to the reports of distinction, it is perfect.
I just recently completed a 4-week trip to Southeast Asia. My original itinerary was aggressive, and included Singapore, Ho Cho Minh City, Phnom Penh, Manila, Angeles City, Pattaya and Bangkok. At the last minute I decided to scale it back and visited Singapore, HCMC, Pattaya and Bangkok. I will quote any prices in local currency unless I paid US dollars like on Agoda and Airbnb. Thai Baht was around 36 to the dollar the whole time. Singapore dollar was 1. 36 and the Vietnamese Dong was 24500. So, $100 is 36000 Thai Baht, 136 Sing dollars and 2,450,000 Vietnamese dong.
Transportation
Air
I got a good deal on a Singapore Airlines flight in Business Class by booking very early. The flight was from Newark to Singapore, a stopover in Singapore and then on to HCMC. My return was Bangkok to Newark, connecting in Singapore. I also had to book a round trip on United to get to and from Newark to connect with my Singapore flight. I really don't like to have separate tickets for flights like that as if something happens, you have to scramble to reschedule.
That EWR to SIN flight is long. Supposedly one of the longest flights in the world. Outbound it took almost 19 hours and the return over 17. The route on the outbound flight went eastward. Flying over Norway, Europe, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, India and Bangladesh. I was a bit paranoid about stray missiles. The return was over the Pacific, skirting Alaska and northern Canada. Luckily the service on the flight was excellent. Alot of decent food and plenty of drinks. I was able to catch some sleep but not enough.
I also flew on VietJet from HCMC to Bangkok. A budget airline similar to Spirit, I imagine. Spent almost an hour in the line to check in and then another hour to clear immigration. No issues with the actual flight. Next time I will probably spend a couple more $$ to fly a decent airline.
Taxi
I used Nam's taxi (namsladydrivers@gmail.com) for my trip from Bangkok Airport (BKK) to Pattaya (1200 baht) and from Pattaya to my Airbnb on Sukhumvit Soi 7 (1500 baht). I like Nam's as they employ strictly older Thai ladies as drivers. You can find rides a few hundred baht cheaper but you never know who is driving. Some Thai taxi drivers act like they have a death wish. Nam's drive newer Toyota Camrys, a ton of room in the back seat. They drive very carefully, just at the speed limit. They are always early and ready to go. I highly recommend them.
In Singapore and Vietnam, I used Grab. Uber was pretty much non-existent. Pretty straight forward and you can charge to your credit card like you do with Uber. Only issue was that the location service for your pickup location wasn't that great at times. Short rides were incredibly inexpensive.
In Pattaya I only used Grab once to go to a bar in Jomtiem (I had never been there). The trip there was fine but the driver got lost on the way back. I have a feeling he did not read very well and could not interpret the map. The rest of the time I just used the Baht Bus. The best transportation value in the world. 10 baht gets you down to Soi 6 on Second road or up to Walking Street on Beach Road. I still haven't used the Baht Bus up and down Soi Buakhao yet.
Hotels
This trip I decided to change things up and do some Condo rentals.
Since I was only going to be in Singapore a few nights, I just rented a hotel room, the Hotel BenCoolen on Hong Kong street, very near Singapore's Chinatown. $135 a night on Agoda. Yes, Singapore is expensive. A decent hotel, OK breakfast with pretty poor Wi-Fi. I was in a building just adjacent to the main building and had my own key card to access the building and the elevator. Would have been totally guest friendly as no one would see you go up. I didn't try as I did most of my playing in Geylang.
In Vietnam I rented an Airbnb. $31.42 per night. It was located in the heart of Little Japan / Japan Town. It was a very nice unit, large bed, washer, full kitchen and pretty good internet. Only downside was that it was on the second floor (the third level) and to get upstairs you had to climb a very narrow, winding staircase. Not an issue except trying to lug my suitcase up and down those stairs.
In Pattaya I usually stay at the Areca lodge which is a great hotel right in the heart of the action. Good rooms, great pools and a very good buffet breakfast. But I tried to book a week there for this trip after I adjusted my itinerary and there were no rooms available. So, I ended up at the Honey Boutique Hotel on Soi Honey. It is right across the street from the Acqua Hotel (another very nice hotel but only had the small rooms).
The Honey Boutique was a decent and inexpensive hotel. About $23 a night including taxes. A pretty large room, balcony, good bath and shower. Breakfast was OK and it was a shared service between 3 of their hotels in a little adjacent restaurant. They advertise a pool on Agoda but you really get to use the pool at the 24/7 Boutique hotel across the street. Only real negative was that the Wi-Fi wasn't too great. I would stay again but only if nothing better, like the Areca was available.
In Pattaya I then moved to a condo in the View Talay 6 building, room 22-838. I rented this through Dancewatchers. This was a very nice unit on the 22nd floor with a great view of the bay on the Walking Street side. I had a full kitchen, washer (no dryer), large comfortable King bed and mirrors everywhere, including over the bed. A nice 5. 1 TV setup which I really didn't use. Excellent internet with a dedicated router. I opted to get the daily housekeeping and that contributed to a pretty high cost of $70 per night.
The View Talay 6 building is conveniently located on Second Road right next to the Central Festival mall. In the basement of the mall is an incredible grocery / food court where you can get almost any imported food item you might want. On the first floor of the VT6 building are a number of massage shops, convenience stores and a little restaurant that was surprisingly good. I would definitely stay here again but would cut down on the housekeeping.
In Bangkok I rented an Airbnb on Sukhumvit Soi 7. It was a little way down the Soi so it was isolated from most bar noise and had few motos racing around. It was about a 5-minute walk to Sukhumvit and was very close to the Nana BTS station. The condo was pretty good. Full kitchen, washer / dryer combo. Nice king size bed in a separate room. There was a balcony but it was small and really no view. Just good enough to catch a quick smoke and hang some laundry. Very fast Wi-Fi and TV had access to Netflix, Prime, etc. But you had to use your own account. The only downside was that only two towels and one set of sheets was provided so you had to do without while you laundered them. I did not contract for any housekeeping services. The room was on the second floor and the elevator was always available and pretty quick. You enter the building through the garage and the security guard there pretty much just acknowledges your arrival as a keycard is necessary to entire the main building. The unit ran about $53 per night taxes and fees included.
Nightlife
Singapore
As I stated earlier, Singapore is expensive. A beer will generally run from S $15 to S $20. A pack of cigarettes is around S $15. Vaping is very illegal.
The first night I found two Indian hostess bars a short walk from my hotel. I really didn't stay long enough to figure out exactly how things worked in there but I did drink a S $15 beer. It looked like the dancers on the stage would come and sit with you if you bought them a drink. I saw a couple of customers call some girls down from the stage, chat for a minute or two and then the girls returned to the stage. I'm guessing that the lady drink costa was a bit prohibitive or they told the guys they were "drinks only" I. E. , no bar fine possible. I did splurge on another beer, watched but didn't see anyone I really wanted to talk to so I left.
Next to one of the Indian bars was another bar where you walked up a narrow staircase. It was a bit creepy but I went up anyway. When I got to the bar, I was pleasantly surprised. It was a relatively large space playing 70's, 80's rock and roll and there were a lot of cute women and very few customers. I sat down at a table and ordered a beer and was very pleased when I was told it was only S $10. As I drank the beer two pretty little things sat down at my table and we began to chat. They were Filipinas as were most of the women there. They spoke great English. They were under contract to the bar and stayed as a group in housing supplied by the bar owner. Didn't sound like the best situation. We chatted for a while and they never hit me up for a drink or asked for anything so I ordered another beer. I asked them what it would cost to buy them a drink and I almost fell over when one said S $60 each. She did day that they get S $35 of that and they have a drink quota of 7 drinks. Unfortunately for them I told them that was way out of my budget range. They didn't act surprised or get angry and continued to chat with me while a finished my beer. I didn't even ask them what a barfine would cost since a beer was S $60 and I was pretty beat from my long flight from the US. I thanked them, left and went back to my hotel and slept for 10 hours.
The next night I went to Ipanema. This bar used to be the main freelancer spot in the infamous Orchard tower, but has moved to a new location. To find it search google for the Ipanema World Music Bar. The new bar was very nice. It was a huge space with a lot of comfortable table and bar seating. A very good Filipino band was covering old rock and roll standards. They had two very hot female singers and a killer guitar player. I went pretty early, around 9:30 and it wasn't too crowded but there were still a lot of very pretty, well dressed freelancers roaming the bar area. Almost everyone I spoke with was Vietnamese. Most appeared to be in their 20's / 30's. Almost every one of them came by to talk and unlike many places like this they didn't immediately hit me up for a drink. Since they are freelancers, they don't make money hustling drinks but want you to take them back to your hotel. Most of them started out saying their fee was S $300 - S $500. I just smiled and said no thank you and then you could see them go into negotiation mode. I ended up with a gorgeous (IMO), petite 29-year-old Viet woman for S $150 for two hours. She said she would spend the night if I bought her breakfast. That was a no brainer and had a great time. I know I still overspent that night but I did want to revisit the Ipanema experience as I had been there 15 years ago when Orchard tower was known as the four floors of working girls. The new venue was a lot tamer but still a very good time.
I had done my research and found that the Geylang District is where you go to visit the legal massage parlors. While they are called massage parlors, they are really just brothels. All of the pricing is all in, there is no basic massage price and then an upsell for HJ, BJ or full service. Here everything is included for one price. There are probably 50 to 75 separate parlors and they are all basically set up the same. Each place usually has women from a single country. The only ones I encountered were Vietnamese, Thai and Chinese. Supposedly there are a few Filipino shops but I never saw one. The Chinese were usually a little more expensive. The reason I got was that a lot of the locals speak Chinese so it was easier to interact. Prices ranged from S $80 to S $120 for 40 minutes or an hour (varies by shop). Some places you won't see anything you like. No problem to just go to the next shop. They are used to it. The ones that I visited it seemed the procedure was pretty consistent. You speak to the manager (usually a guy) out front and discuss what you want. You choose the girl from a lineup or a fishbowl. You pay the full price up front. You go to the back where you a led to a shower. She will usually shower with you to be sure you are squeaky clean (mutual scrubbing allowed) and I am sure they also do an inspection of your equipment to be sure you don't have any obvious diseases. You dry off and go to a private room with a decent sized bed. She covers it with towels, you lay down and the fun begins. You can get a massage if you want but it won't be very professional. Every place I was you could do just about anything you wanted though I did not ask about anal. If you want that I would ask the guy at the front door and I am sure he would have someone to suggest. BJ was uncovered, sex was wrapped. DATY, fingering, kissing was all on the table. The session ends when your time is up, not when you finish. Afterwards shower and optionally tip the lady for a job well done. There were many cute, young women in a lot of the shops. There were also quite a few grannies. I had no problem finding someone I liked in most of the shops.
Ho Chi Minh City
As I was only here a couple of nights, I really didn't get out of the Little Japan area very much. I planned to explore the freelancer bars on Pasteur St but never got around to it. I was very disappointed that my favorite freelancer bar, Apocalypse Now, shut down during Covid and never reopened. Japan Town is expensive when compared to the rest of HCMC as it has a lot of well-heel Japanese tourists. In Japan Town, there are two types of places. The first are massage parlors. Unlike those in Singapore, these at least pretend to be about massage. These places are well lit and the women working in them were for the most part young and attractive. They were all very well dressed in similarly colored outfits. There were usually 10 to 25 women to choose from. The entry fee is 400 K dong (about $16) for a basic one-hour massage. You pay that fee and go to a private room with either a bed or a large massage table. You shower together and I swear every woman I was with thoroughly washed every nook and cranny on my body. You get on the bed and she starts a pretty underwhelming massage. After about five minutes she has you flip, crawls on top of you and asks if you want extras. HJ was 500 K dong, BJ was 1 M dong and full service was 2 M dong. I usually opted for the BJ. Again, BJ uncovered, sex covered. I found the pricing and procedures pretty consistent across all of the shops I visited.
The other type of venue was Japanese styled hostess bars. In these bars you basically buy drinks to have a very good-looking woman sit with you. They almost all speak passable English and Japanese. Apparently, this type of bar is very popular in Japan. Drinks for me were a bit pricey at 160 K dong but the lady drinks were 400 K or 500 K dong. I didn't ask about bar fines as I was getting satisfied in the massage parlors. I am sure, if available, it would be very expensive. I think that a lot of these women are "drinks only". I didn't spend too much time in these places.
One bar that was unique for Little Japan was Miss Saigon. This bar name is popular here in HCMC but this one is a little hole in the wall in Little Japan. I popped in there at 6 pm to get out of a downpour, on my way to dinner. It was the only bar I could find that opened before 8 pm.
Inside I got a beer and it was reasonably priced, around 45 K dong. There were 4 young women working in the bar, all attractive but not drop dead gorgeous. They were just working, chatting up the customers but not hustling, trying to get drinks. They played a lot of old western music and would let you pick songs for them to play off Spotify. The bar started to fill up with expats, Australian and UK folks. They seemed to be regulars as they knew the waitresses well. I saw they did buy the ladies a round of shots and I asked them how much it was. They were $160 K dong, about $6. 50. Not bad for a lady drink. I ended up buying them a round of shots myself and other customers did too. The owner came in, an attractive Viet MILF, she bought a couple of rounds. Everyone was getting hammered, especially the barmaids. They also were getting quite friendly with all of us. I'm sure a reasonable bar fine could have been negotiated but I was frankly this old guy was way too buzzed to do anything about it. I ended up leaving around midnight as I wanted to be sure I could find my way back to the apartment. I had a ton of drinks myself and bought a couple of rounds for the ladies and some drinks for a couple of the expats and probably spent around $60. I never did get dinner.
Pattaya
Pattaya is a playground. There are hundreds of bars, massage places and other venues centrally located that cater to our hobby. There were a lot more bars open than when I visited a year ago and most were staffed with a lot of women. Unfortunately (for them) there still weren't that many tourists for them to ply their trade so there was kind of a slight feeling of desperation. I visited a lot of them and there is no way to recount everything. I am just going to talk about some places that stood out. As an aside, most bars officially close at 2 am but will stay open later with the lights out if they still have customers. They exception are the nightclubs which really don't even get started until 11:30 pm or later. I seldom make it to closing time.
Walking Street
I only went down there a couple of times and that was primarily to visit one of my favorite bars in Pattaya, the Bamboo Bar. Around 10 or 10:30 Bamboo gets really crowded. The women are all freelancers and the majority are 30+ and quite a few into their 40's and 50's though I did see a few younger ones that probably are enjoying the lack of competition from other young women. They are always dressed nice and ready to party. Drinks at Bamboo are a bit pricey for Pattaya but there is no lady drink surcharge. Normal freelancer rates seemed to prevail with 1 k TO 1. 5 k be ST and 2. 5 K to 3 K be LT.
I hit a couple of Walking Street gogos and didn't stay very long. Drinks were very pricey and there was a lot of pressure to buy lady drinks. Bar fines were in the 1 K plus range and most of the women were starting negotiation at 5 K.
Hit a couple of beer bars on the main strip and the drink prices were surprisingly reasonable though when sitting you are constantly hounded by the myriad of ladyboys that hang just outside on the street.
Went into the original Windmills and it is just a raunchy as I remember it. For the price of a lady drink or two you can fondle, kiss, lick to your heart's content. I did not stop in top their new location just across the street.
Soi 6
It seemed like almost every bar location was open and fully staffed. Unfortunately, few customers but a caveat, I usually went early, just around 8 pm. The women are aggressive trying to pill you into their bar and I pity the poor Japanese dudes that walked down the street, they were literally mobbed. To me almost all of these bars are pretty much the same so if you see a woman you like, follow her in and buy her a drink. Most of the places I went were quoting 400 be for the room and 1500 be for them though a few were asking for 2 Kb and sticking to it.
Visually, one place stood out. About halfway down the street is a bar I believe is called Flirts. It looked like they had a "No Silicone" hiring policy. All of the women were petite and apparently natural. A few were simply adorable. Unfortunately, they had the balloons up that night for a party and they were jammed. The music was loud and really nowhere to sit.
LK Metro
I didn't hit any of the LK Metro gogos except for Kink. I think this place rivals Windmills on the raunchy scale and the women were a bit more attractive. Typical gogo drink and bar fine prices.
I also hit Billabongs on a couple of evenings. Live band (not too bad) every night and beers are two for one at 120 be. Manyu of the women working there are way past their sell by date but there were a few younger and attractive ones. Barfine was 300 be and typical takeaway price was 1. 5 k be.
Soi Buakhao / Soi Diana Area
Buakhao is probably my favorite Soi to just walk, sightsee and stop into a bar for a quick drink. It is also home to my favorite late-night snack, Bronx pizza. Many of the bars have live music and most of the workers can be barfined. Prices vary drastically from bar to bar but most are in the reasonable range. Some places do have some higher barfines as they are short-staffed and really don't want all of the women leaving before closing time.
A new nightclub opened on the corner of Soi Buakhao and Soi Chaiyapoon, Club Juju. This place has a live band, lots of seating and no real dance floor. Drink prices weren't outrageous for a nightclub and the server were very efficient. A lot of bar workers come here when their shift ends as well as a lot of regular freelancers. Since this is a nightclub, no lady drink surcharge and no barfine though most women wanted 2 K to 3 k be to go out. Since it doesn't start until very late you are probably going to be getting back to your room around 3 or 4 am and they will usually want to spend the night instead of getting a grab that late. So, you do generally get a little morning activity as well for the fee. One caution. Quite a few ladyboys frequent this place and they are usually dressed to kill and look pretty good. Don't get too drunk you can't tell the difference.
A couple of new bars on Soi Diana that had some attractive women working. The beer bar complex up toward second road was usually pretty dead. One of my favorite bars just to catch a drink and bullshit is Luck Bar right across from the Areca Lodge. I don't know why, but this bar always has a good crowd, despite the fact that there are only a couple of attractive women working there.
Soi Chaiyapoon
The road which I was told was recently "fixed" is still a mess of potholes. After a good rain it can be difficult to walk down the street without getting your feet soaked. No real bars stood out but I did hit Maggie Mays a few times. They have a couple of younger and pretty cute ones on staff now but they get scooped up pretty quickly. I did hook up with one of them and I believe it was 500 be for the room and 1500 be for her.
Not really on Chaiyapoon but down Soi Excite is Club Excite. I went in there after a disappointing trip to Soi Bongkot (see below) and was pleasantly surprised. Had a very pleasurable session with a very petite, almost western looking woman. Same prices as Maggie Mays. Afterward, I asked her what it would cost for her to visit me in my hotel after work (she was that good looking and gave great service) and she said 3 K be LT. Didn't pull the trigger.
Soi Bongkat
A short moto taxi ride from the Buakhao area are 4 or 5 gentlemen's clubs located side-by-side in what would be classified as a strip mall in the states. I hit all of them and didn't see anything I was interested in. Since it wasn't even dark outside yet, I was probably there too early.
Soi Honey
Some new bars have opened on Soi Honey. One of them is Lips Lounge about halfway up the Soi. Apparently, the owner of this bar used to own the notorious Pandoras gogo in LK Metro (I don't know if this is true or not). Well Lips Lounge has a similar format. About 3 or 4, medium attractive ladies dancing on stage and another 4 or 5 waiting their turn. Call any of them over and buy them a drink. After one or two drinks you will find your fly down and the lady giving you head. You can also reciprocate if you choose to. No additional charge for this service but they do expect a significant gratuity.
Stopped in the Runway Bar and the night I went I was not really impressed with the quality of the ladies working. They good ones might have already been barfined.
A new gentlemen's club, the Honey Lounge has opened. I stopped in late and there really weren't any women left to choose. Pricing similar to Maggie Mays.
Lots of "dirty" massage places on Soi Honey, Soi Chaiyapoon and Soi Buakhao. Generally, 300 be for the room and 1 K be for the woman for an hour of full service. Lots of very attractive ladies soliciting work at these places. Also, a lot of over-the-hill ones. Just be sure to pick a woman as there are quite a few ladyboys mixed in at the shops.
Bangkok
I was staying down Sukhumvit Soi 7. Last year I would have spent some time at the Beer Garden, but alas, it is no more. It has been replaced with a beer bar complex. As it was convenient and there were some good-looking women, I did drink here on a few occasions. I never did bar fine from here though so I do not know the prices.
Walking a few blocks up Sukhumvit, you will find the Thermae bar. This is a basement bar underneath the Ruamchitt hotel. Inside the bar you are quickly ushered to the counter where you are required to order a drink. Not cheap, not expensive for Bangkok. In the middle of the bar is kind of an open island where you can sit if there are seats available. The two time I went there it was absolutely packed with freelancers, a lot of them quite attractive, in every conceivable shape and size. The girls here are usually dressed in normal clothes (not * ware) and are not aggressive but will eyeball you, smile and wave if they are interested. A lot of people report that the women are mostly trying to attract Asian customers and will pretty much ignore westerners. I did not find this to be the case. I'm 68 years old, very white, tall, not overweight but definitely not these girl's ideal mate and I got all of the attention I could handle. Since this is a freelancer destination there is no bar fine and no lady drink surcharge. Take home fee was 1. 5 K to 2 K be. A couple of them said 3 K but you could tell they were just testing the waters. What I did find that a lot of these women only wanted to short time as they had to go to work in the morning.
Outside of Thermae all the way from Soi 11 to Soi 15 are a ton of freelancers just hanging out waiting for an interested customer. They were not aggressive and for the most part were dressed in regular, casual clothes. I did have probably one of my best sessions from one of these girls. Petite, sexy and a little dynamo for almost 2 hours. I probably overpaid at 1500 be but I was not disappointed.
Went to Nana Plaza a couple of times. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of incredible women in the gogos but it is incredibly expensive to drink for yourself and the lady drinks are outrageously priced. And as soon as you sit down, the mamasan or server is putting on a lot of pressure to buy at least one lady drink for a dancer and of course one for herself. I really didn't hang in any one gogo for very long.
The bars just outside of Nana Plaza on Soi 4 are good places to meet women. There are the servers who are barfinable as well as many freelancers hanging around. Drinks weren't too outrageous in these bars and the talent was pretty good. Hooter, across the street has some incredibly good-looking servers but I doubt that they can be barfined. I didn't ask but I imagine if you are a younger guy with some game, you could probably arrange an after-shift rendezvous (for a price of course).
There are a lot of small bars and some nightclubs on Soi 11. I never stayed up late enough to hit the clubs but did hit some of the smaller bars. Like most of Bangkok, a lot of pressure to buy the lady drinks.
Soi 7/1 is the debauchery soi. Two BJ bars most of the way down the soi, Annies, I believe it used to be Dr. BJs (not to be confused with the now closed famous massage place) and Wood Bar. Both of these places are pretty much the same. You pay 800 be to have a woman take you in a back room for a BJ. The women are a bit older and not that good looking but it is very dark inside. I did have to partake one time just for the experience. It was underwhelming but it was only 800 be.
Summary
Overall, I had a great time. I made the same mistake I make every trip, overdoing it the first few days then having to really scale back for a bit. I will return if I can find a reasonably priced business class flight. I will probably skip Singapore the next time just because of the cost factor. I do want to explore more of Vietnam as I am really attracted to the women. And of course, I would hit Thailand again, maybe spending a few nights in Chiang Mai.
I think my next major trip might be in April or May. I saw United had some not to outrageous flights to Manila that only stops once from my hometown. I would of course visit Angeles City but will look for another area, maybe Cebu or Subic to spend a few nights. I will probably only spend a couple of nights in Manila, just before and after my flights.
Does anyone have a favorite Soi 6 bar? I seems to find the girls shuffle from bar to bar and most are all set up the same. Therefore, it's difficult to choose one or two favorites. However, Toy Box seems to have a constant line up of the same girls.Sexy in the City. USA manager Rob is nice, girls are very friendly, a few glamours and pretty faces.
Toy Box. Always good on all accounts.
Exotica. Has some really great ST naughty girls.
Raj Patela
11-14-23, 01:22
I visited Manila / Angeles for the 1st time earlier this year for 3 weeks. Had a very good time. Now I understand the risks and how to mitigate them as much as possible, so no lectures, please. I'm looking for BBFS / CIP and wondering if I can find that in Pattaya for around or near the same level of effort and price as I experienced in the Philippines. Specifically, I was able to get what I wanted, mostly ST for between $80-150 including bar fines with 9 out 10 sessions. (You can find several of my TR's in the Phills forum from Feb-Mar, 2023.).
Is it likely I can do the same in Thailand? I have read through several weeks of posts here, and although there is mention, it's not really clear to me if I can get what I'm looking for without paying 2 to 4 times "normal" rates. I'm planning a one-month trip for early Spring, 2024.
Any feedback or advice will be appreciated.Reverse Engineering.
Buzzin did a vid on bacteria and the like recently of Pattaya. Since the Dr said it was an epidemic of Roman proportions what you want is Surely available.
You might have to think a bit, I kind of backhanded your Answer. Need to use a little intuitive defection.
I s.You gave probably the best report I have seen here and it would have done justice in a professional environment. Two general questions.
1. Though you flew business class, you admit it was one of the world's longest flights. Was it worth it or should you have stated in the States or done your usual Costa Rican trip.
2. You are in your late 60's. Was it worth it? Were you able for the action?
I am roughly your age and I am getting some small health problems. Friends are popping off with worrying regularity. I ask with my own forthcoming early 2024 trip in mind.
Raj Patela
11-14-23, 01:27
Are you curious to know what these girls plan was?
Ask Mr Explorer, he knows it all about off-hours hobbying of Pattaya working girls.Pattaya is Booming they already had other customers lined up. Hahaha. Hahahaha. No offense.
Raj Patela
11-14-23, 01:32
All my life I been poor. But it really doesn't matter no more. Cuz no matter what they say. SubCmdr gonna be OK.
You keep it 100 my brother. Much respect! Real recognize real.
In all aspects except for budget were are dead on point. I like Pattaya because strangely enough I have found my peace here. If I want to go hard in the paint, pull 10000 out of the ATM, roll up into Windmill 1 and have the mamasan move the cheap charlies out of my favorite seat cause me and my friend are each about to by a bottle and make it rain up in that mother fucker, I can do that. Balling on a budget for one night. The next night I can have one of my 1000ST girls come over. The next night my girl might come over and spent the night. When that happens I know I am going to get my dick sucked in the morning and blow a load of splooge into her mouth. She will still have time for a shower and a tea before she leaves for work. I ask you (not you my ISG brother because you already know what time it is) what exactly is there not to like?
Pattaya is fun. But you certainly cannot tell that from the all the negativity that gets posted up in here. LOL!.Ballin at Windmill is Funny. Hahaha.
Sorry but your tones of posting leads one to believe you don't make it Rain 100's. 5 20's I believe.
You and your bud asking for Discount of 200 each if the TFgiro does does a double duty is Hillary ious.
Explorer8939
11-14-23, 03:01
Are you curious to know what these girls plan was?
Ask Mr Explorer, he knows it all about off-hours hobbying of Pattaya working girls.After the ladies take care of their customer and then leave with cash in hand, they have a lot of options. Many go to Ibar or Insomnia, where drinks are cheap for them. Their hope is to hook a whale for big money. But, often, its early morning, they have had many drinks, and some young Farang offers 500 baht, and off they go.
This is if they don't have a Thai man waiting for them at home. If so, they just go home when they have money.
If they are new to Pattaya, they hit the karaoke bars at 1 am or so, buying drinks for young Thai men. It's expensive, moreso if they hook up with one long time. Some older long time bargirls never get over their addiction to karaoke boys and so have to work until they can't get customers any more, and when the money is gone, so is the honey.
This is an excellent report. I have a question. Since your bad experience with the two bar fines from Heaven Above, I'm surprised you went back. What was the reason for going back?Good question! Having been in LOS many times, I know that some experiences turn out good and some are bad. I understand the many factors that make for a good experience and didn't feel that, in this case, it reflected on the bar per se. The girls obviously had other plans.
But the vibe at HA is fun, the girls are friendly, the mamasan is friendly, and my experience has always been that repeat visits get you more mileage.
Considering my experience wasn't 'bad' - I did bang her, I had no hesitation to go back to HA. Both did a double-take when they saw us in the next night though.
I just recently completed a 4-week trip to Southeast Asia. My original itinerary was aggressive, and included Singapore, Ho Cho Minh City, Phnom Penh, Manila, Angeles City, Pattaya and Bangkok. At the last minute I decided to scale it back and visited Singapore, HCMC, Pattaya and Bangkok. I will quote any prices in local currency unless I paid US dollars like on Agoda and Airbnb. Thai Baht was around 36 to the dollar the whole time. Singapore dollar was 1. 36 and the Vietnamese Dong was 24500. So, $100 is 36000 Thai Baht, 136 Sing dollars and 2,450,000 Vietnamese dong.
[Thanks for very informative report.
Raj Patela
11-14-23, 05:29
Bronx Pizza Buakhao.
A poster brought up this was a Favorite of his. Do you concur?
For Slices I've come upon 3.
1. Asok BTS. Looks Horrible.
2. Bronx Pizza above. See number 1.
3. Pizza place across Repent Soi 6. See number 1.
Now Sbarro in Vegas, Hnl, their slices are fine and dandy.
ElMexicant
11-14-23, 06:13
So not long ago, I get a visit from a buddy who does the usual 10 days vacation every few years from abroad. We were supposed to meet on Beach Road near where he was staying before heading to WS. I walk a route everyday as part of my routine. I see the same "characters" day and night. They recognize me, I recognize them. But I kept to myself. Anyways, long story short, my buddy was chillin with a bunch of homeless people when I arrived to meet him on that concrete elevation across from Mike's Shopping Center. He had bought them some food from the umbrella station and some big bottles of beer from 7-11. They seemed happy and he invited me hang out with them. Dude was holding hands and getting touchy with one of the homeless chicks who was hand feeding him those cold ass, all batter, fried shrimps in the styrofoam bowl. Their eyes got wide when they saw me. I kept a good distance day and just nicely said, I was full and I need to head to WS first to use the bathroom. Message me when you get there. When he finally met up, the guy was reeking of that homeless dirty old clothes haven't bathed in days smell. Nasty. He had a cold, so he couldn't smell anything, but I could. My night was cut short and I went home to shower. This was same guy about 6 years ago, got pulled into one of those King's bars in Patpong. When I went to meet him, he was the only customer in there. I looked at what was on stage. Stopped right the door and told him I forgot my wallet and message when he gets done. Left him and his naiveness to figure to out on his own where he was. Happens a lot on here too. Some of us guys just know way much more than others about who is who and what is what. Pattaya is not that big. More of a high school if you frequent the sex industry as much as I do. I am not going to be the one who points out the post op that you thought was girl in the bars. If you like, you like. It's all charity right? We are all growing. I am nice like that. Enjoy.
MrHappyKat
11-14-23, 07:36
Many thanks for these insights. Sadly, I am well over 40 (early 60's) and definitely well over "fit". LOL.
But I can chat and be charming and nice, which has helped me in the past.
I'll have to do more research before I make any dicisions.
I was in Pattaya 2 months ago and I'll give some feedback for you.
Don't discuss BBFS, just go for it. Any negotiation will always lead to higher prices for you.
I spent most of my time in the gentleman's club (Passion, Kineree, etc), but also went to different SOI's, the high end Gogo's, beer bars and had some street walkers.
Here is how I approached it and so should you.
Gentleman's clubs.
I take the girl to the room. No negotiation for BBFS before going to the room, just a clarification on the price for sex, usually by the manager / mamason.
In the room, if the chemistry was good we started in right away and I tried to go BBFS without even attempting to put on a condom, many of the girls were ok with it.
In other cases, I jumped into the shower, she followed me in and I would start to have BBFS with her in the shower. If this was ok with her I knew we would continue in bed.
I would say about 60-70% of the girls from the GC's I went with were ok with BBFS+CIP.
Soapy's. Only went to Soi Honey on this trip as they are a little more expensive, but when in Rome!
Started sex with condom after bath and rub down, but after about 10 minutes I took the condom off and was able to persuade her to have BB sex.
She was a little reluctant but gave in after a few seconds of persuasion. I ended up giving her a $20.00 tip after. Massage - $70.00 + $20.00 tip = $90.00 US.
Street Walkers.
Didn't go with that many, but had a few back to my room.
Most asked if I had a condom and I said no. So BBFS was with most, but not all.
Prices ranged between $35-$50 US.
Gogo bars.
Same rule applies here, did not discuss BBFS, but received it with about 50% of the high end gogo girls.
I was expecting to have some say no, which they did, because they are a little more educated about STD's from their managers, etc so if they come down with something from you they are out of business. Because they cost so much more than beer bar girls, GC's, SW's, etc. , some were willing to give me that service without paying extra. (never offer to pay more because they will all want more).
I think BBFS is dependent on you and the girl. If you are under 45 years old, fit, attractive (by her standards) you will be better equipped to get what you want.
In Thailand, I wouldn't ask for BBFS up front unless you are not in this category and want her to charge you more. I'm sure the high end Gogo bar girls would ask for an arm and a leg for BBFS if you try and negotiate up front before leaving to your hotel room. So I avoid any and all pre negotiated prices for extra services. Remember this line, "It's always better to ask for forgiveness after than permission before" translate this into punting and you will always pay more and receive less if you try to negotiate all up front in Pattaya.
This, for me, is quite different than BBFS in Germany in places like Sharks, Palace, Artemis, etc where the girls nickle and dime you for each and every extra service now.
In Germany I always negotiate up front and ask if I can have BBFS. Some girls say yes, others say no. Sometimes I will try and persuade them anyways, but if they are educated on STD's as they are required to take weekly tests, many will decline unless they are really desperate for the money.
And in some cases I ask in the room. Most girls will ask for more (+50 E) for it.
I've had many sessions in FKK's where the girl will approach me and tell me I can do whatever I want to her.
When I hear those words and she looks good, off we go, no condom is used with BBFS+CIP.
Last disclaimer. I usually don't go with the youngest, prettiest little spinner in the clubs, bars, etc. I seek out the more mature, MILF types that have been around the block.
Maybe that's why I usually get what I want. YMMV will depend on your looks.
My advice is to get and use Prep from your doctor to reduce the risk of getting something you don't want.
Also use condoms.
Raj Patela
11-14-23, 09:12
I was in Pattaya Aug-Oct 2022.
I was in Pattaya Aug-Oct 2023.
I can say definitively that hotel prices went up between those two trips, very noticeably in fact.
I don't think they'll go higher than where they are at now though, tourists numbers will dwindle, high season will disappoint.
When I return during low season in 2024 I expect the prices will be same as in 2023. But we'll see.This is why we have so much conflicting info. This guy is comparing come out of COVID pricing to now.
That thought did not even come across my mind.
I'm comparing pre Coronavirus pricing to now.
Who knows what time period the Condo guy is commenting on.
Raj Patela
11-14-23, 09:16
Many thanks for these insights. Sadly, I am well over 40 (early 60's) and definitely well over "fit". LOL.
But I can chat and be charming and nice, which has helped me in the past.
I'll have to do more research before I make any dicisions.Don't Fret you are over 60.
Not many of us are young and Hansum. We are PAYING.
Notice he did say his choice of Provider includes MILfS. Connect the Dots. I have and I've come to the conclusion they will do whatever you want. LOL. They take what they can get kind of thing. Beggars can't be Choosy,. Yatta!
Many thanks for these insights. Sadly, I am well over 40 (early 60's) and definitely well over "fit". LOL.
But I can chat and be charming and nice, which has helped me in the past.
I'll have to do more research before I make any dicisions.I have lived in Bangkok for the past 12 years. I am now 70 years old now but I believe I am fairly fit. However, my dick is such that if it must wear a condom there will be no fucking or anything else to completion. It always has been that way. Well, I finished once wearing a condom back when I was in my early 20's after tremendous and dreary effort.
I have somewhat passable basic Thai language skills. Based on the chemistry that seems to be established in the bars, getting the girls laughing, hugging me, kissing me, crawling all over me when I do give them my attention, begging me to take them in the bars or on the street, I must be pretty damn charming to boot.
In the past 12 years I have lived in Bangkok. I have visited and stayed overnight in Pattaya a few dozen times in the past 12 years and about as many times back in the 1990's. I have engaged with at least a hundred different Pattaya ladies over the years. I am talking about ladies I chose to either just take or negotiate upfront with for a P4 P session.
I went with the "no discussion upfront, just go with the flow" approach about 30% of the time and the "negotiate BBFS+CIP upfront" approach the other 70%. And these are a mix of ladies from Walking Street and LK Metro gogo bars, Soi 6 bars, freelancers strolling along Beach Road 1, Beach Road 2, Walking Street, you name it.
I tend to choose youngish, in their 20's that is, cute girls to engage for P4 P sessions.
My Pattaya score card for getting BBFS+CIP with the girls I want to fuck at all is as follows.
Using the "no upfront discussion, just go with the flow" approach even if I have to cajole, discuss further or offer more money at or very near the moment of penetration: Zero.
Using the "negotiate BBFS+CIP upfront" approach: 1.
And I would rate that 1 and only 1 Pattaya girl who agreed to BBFS+CIP with me about a 6 on the Thai bargirl / Freelancer scale for looks. I would not have considered taking her if not for my hope that doing so would break my decades long "No BBFS+CIP with good-looking girls in Pattaya" curse. LOL. Which it did not break.
Again, that is 1 out of at least 100 Pattaya P4 P girls I met over the years and discussed a session with because I actually wanted to fuck them.
My rate of success for getting BBFS+CIP with girls attractive enough for me to want to fuck them is much, much, much better in Bangkok. That's why I live in Bangkok instead of Pattaya.
Yeah, I had plenty of no hassle BBFS+CIP in the Philippines, too. And with some of the best lookers in the gogo and beer bar scene in Manila and Angeles City. But that was about 30 years ago. I have no idea what it would be like for me now.
As always, YMMV.
Raj Patela
11-14-23, 13:20
Looks Matter.
Playpen. No sight of you know who. But their is a New Deputy.
More Tannish than Whitey. Looks young. Small like Baitoey. Face is an upgrade from regular Soi 6 girl.
You know the Drill, if you want a girl as you walk in you take one. A guy walks in looks around and takes the Deputy over all the other Toilets.
Give this one a few years to Mature I'm seeing a Superstar.
SouthEaster
11-14-23, 14:38
That is an interesting take on the issue. I have seen several, maybe many reports on here from guys who swear it is not an issue and they often get BBFS with no negotiation or a simple no in the room and off to the races. I have little experience in Thailand in recent years but I do keep up and know a few guys who live there or visit often and their experience seems more in line with yours. Rare and often refused even for offers of more money. I am a little younger than you but also hate condoms and have a hell of a time getting off using one. Often times just seeing the girls get one out and open the package makes my hard on immediately start to disappear! If not I will give it a go but usually just give up and send them off without blowing my load.
If Thailand was more like the PI in that regard I would visit more often as I go to Cambodia for extended periods every year. What a fuck up that place has become! BBFS still available but the girls are asking silly money these days.
Bronx Pizza Buakhao.
A poster brought up this was a Favorite of his. Do you concur?
For Slices I've come upon 3.
1. Asok BTS. Looks Horrible.
2. Bronx Pizza above. See number 1.
3. Pizza place across Repent Soi 6. See number 1.
Now Sbarro in Vegas, Hnl, their slices are fine and dandy.If you don't like thin crust, New York style pizza, you will not like Bronx Pizza.
Expat American
11-14-23, 16:24
And I would rate that 1 and only 1 Pattaya girl who agreed to BBFS+CIP with me about a 6 on the Thai bargirl / Freelancer scale for looks. I would not have considered taking her if not for my hope that doing so would break my decades long "No BBFS+CIP with good-looking girls in Pattaya" curse. LOL. Which it did not break.
As always, YMMV.My Mileage did vary. I was getting about 75% success BBFS (I don't care about CIP as much). That included TF girls, Gogo girl, Beach Road girl and GC girl. So basically from all venues. Except for the gogo girl, I discussed up front my requirements. So there you are.
This is why we have so much conflicting info. This guy is comparing come out of COVID pricing to now.
That thought did not even come across my mind.
I'm comparing pre Coronavirus pricing to now.
Who knows what time period the Condo guy is commenting on.Pre Covid is essentially four years plus ago. That's a long time. Get with the times. The world changes and constantly so.
If you don't like thin crust, New York style pizza, you will not like Bronx Pizza.Bronx Pizza is very average for those who know their pizza. The draw is it's convenient location in the heart of Buakhao. I prefer the kebab stand that is nearby where you get a much heftier kebob for the same price a slice of pizza costs.
I spent last night from high-end soapy to soapy, go-go to go-go but couldn't find a single bird ready for a BBBJ. What is with these girls now a days?
Experienced members, I only have a couple of night left here, please let me know, where I can get a 3 some with BBBJ with 7+ looking girls.
After the ladies take care of their customer and then leave with cash in hand, they have a lot of options. Many go to Ibar or Insomnia, where drinks are cheap for them. Their hope is to hook a whale for big money. But, often, its early morning, they have had many drinks, and some young Farang offers 500 baht, and off they go.
This is if they don't have a Thai man waiting for them at home. If so, they just go home when they have money.
If they are new to Pattaya, they hit the karaoke bars at 1 am or so, buying drinks for young Thai men. It's expensive, moreso if they hook up with one long time. Some older long time bargirls never get over their addiction to karaoke boys and so have to work until they can't get customers any more, and when the money is gone, so is the honey.Good summary, I agree with this though 500 baht seems a very low offer, even for early morning hours.
MrHappyKat
11-14-23, 19:00
Thank you all for your feedback. I think I'll put off Thailand for a year and reevaluate then.
Explorer8939
11-15-23, 00:23
Good summary, I agree with this though 500 baht seems a very low offer, even for early morning hours.I'm talking about hansum young Farang. By the early morning, many bargirls are drunk and facing going home alone.
And many end up going for free, because what they really want is a young hansum Farang boyfriend.
Explorer8939
11-15-23, 00:32
That is an interesting take on the issue. I have seen several, maybe many reports on here from guys who swear it is not an issue and they often get BBFS with no negotiation or a simple no in the room and off to the races. I have little experience in Thailand in recent years but I do keep up and know a few guys who live there or visit often and their experience seems more in line with yours. Rare and often refused even for offers of more money. I am a little younger than you but also hate condoms and have a hell of a time getting off using one. Often times just seeing the girls get one out and open the package makes my hard on immediately start to disappear! If not I will give it a go but usually just give up and send them off without blowing my load.
If Thailand was more like the PI in that regard I would visit more often as I go to Cambodia for extended periods every year. What a fuck up that place has become! BBFS still available but the girls are asking silly money these days.I know most of the ladies I fuck, and for many of them, I want to use a condom, since I know where they have been.
Lots and lots of "civvie" ladies who never work bar sometimes take a shift on Beach Road, going to the room with herds of South Asians.
Or they go to Karaoke bars and go with young Thai men who have a second job earlier in the evening working Farang bars and going with Farang men to the room.
Be careful out there.
That is an interesting take on the issue. I have seen several, maybe many reports on here from guys who swear it is not an issue and they often get BBFS with no negotiation or a simple no in the room and off to the races. I have little experience in Thailand in recent years but I do keep up and know a few guys who live there or visit often and their experience seems more in line with yours. Rare and often refused even for offers of more money. I am a little younger than you but also hate condoms and have a hell of a time getting off using one. Often times just seeing the girls get one out and open the package makes my hard on immediately start to disappear! If not I will give it a go but usually just give up and send them off without blowing my load.
If Thailand was more like the PI in that regard I would visit more often as I go to Cambodia for extended periods every year. What a fuck up that place has become! BBFS still available but the girls are asking silly money these days.Yes, this is probably an issue where Your Mileage May Vary applies more than most.
I don't know what it is about Pattaya and me that my getting a Yes or at least no prolonged resistance about BBFS+CIP with the girls I have met and wanted to fuck is so elusive. I don't and never really did have this much of a problem with girls I wanted to fuck in Bangkok. Or back in the day in Manila and Angeles City, of course. Or any number of other destinations in USA, Mexico, Vietnam, etc. Only Pattaya.
Clearly I am not and have never been as handsome and charming as the punters who claim it is the norm for them in Pattaya or we are choosing very different girls to engage for the experience or some combination of both.
I will say this, I am sure I could have and can get BBFS+CIP with any number of Pattaya ladies who approach me quite often as I cruise through the scene. Easily. Problem is, I am talking about ladies of an age and level of looks that I don't want to fuck and wouldn't even if they paid me. Not that they aren't nice ladies. They are just not ladies I would seriously engage as prospective P4 P providers.
So anyone looking for plenty of BBFS+CIP in Pattaya, rest assured I am not suggesting it is difficult to score that in Pattaya in the least. I can only relate my experience with the 100 or so girls I have bothered to engage for that level of service in Pattaya.
And to clarify my "100 girls" number results, in part I am talking about the approximate number of girls I have met there, wanted to fuck and took them on a "no upfront discussion about BBFS+CIP, just go with the flow" approach. That would be about 30% of those approximate 100 girls and none of them resulted in a BBFS+CIP experience at crunch time in bed, not even with a bit of cajoling, pressing, offering more money. I stop after one pass at 1-2 of those. I am not going to be whining, pleading or pestering some P4 P girl for it until she finally grudgingly gives in or gives up and pops her legs open. LOL.
Then, after my abysmal record of results with the "no discussion of BBFS+CIP upfront, just go with the flow" approach, I moved on to the "Negotiate BBFS+CIP upfront" approach with the remaining 70% or so of that approximate 100 girls.
And that meant it was much cheaper and less time consuming for me to get that No response upfront before I committed to any money than to get that No at the moment of penetration. It also meant I only took the 1 Pattaya girl in the past 12 years who said Yes upfront to me for it. The one I mentioned in my previous post. For the ones who said No upfront, I smiled, thanked them for their time and moved on.
So my total number of Pattaya girls who wound up in my bed was not 100 but closer to 40-50. I have no idea how many of those No Upfront girls might have changed their mind in the room or simply gone along with BBFS+CIP if I hadn't mentioned it upfront at all. But my previous experience with the "go with the flow" approach informed me it would not be a pretty number. And for those of us who will not be fucking anyone while wearing a condom and where a BBBJ+CIM is likely as much of a No or is done so badly it is also not worth it, well, that's a lot of buzz-killing time and money spent in a hotel room for nothing.
Now, I do vaguely recall that I might have gotten BBFS+CIP with a Pattaya girl I was very attracted to during one of my many trips to Thailand about 30 years ago. But since I spent half a week, 3-4 days, in Bangkok and the other half, 3-4 days, in Pattaya, I can't exactly be certain I met and fucked that particular girl in Pattaya and not Bangkok that long ago. Maybe I got BBFS+CIP with 2 girls of my choice in Pattaya over the years and not just one.
And I should also mention that I have not mongered or engaged in any P4 P discussion upfront or in bed with a girl in Pattaya for about 3 years. My most recent attempt was sometime during the Covid closures. I also never used ThaiFriendly in Pattaya.
Raj Patela
11-15-23, 01:24
I spent last night from high-end soapy to soapy, go-go to go-go but couldn't find a single bird ready for a BBBJ. What is with these girls now a days?
Experienced members, I only have a couple of night left here, please let me know, where I can get a 3 some with BBBJ with 7+ looking girls.That Buzzin STD video he did with a real Thai Doctor of Pattaya must have gone Viral.
Raj Patela
11-15-23, 01:27
Pre Covid is essentially four years plus ago. That's a long time. Get with the times. The world changes and constantly so.But you are Scaremongering people into thinking Hotel prices are High. They really aren't.
Even Kenny G couldn't sell out Pattaya this past weekend.
I'm pretty sure my Red Planet charged under $20 a night Sat. And Friday.
Raj Patela
11-15-23, 01:29
Bronx Pizza is very average for those who know their pizza. The draw is it's convenient location in the heart of Buakhao. I prefer the kebab stand that is nearby where you get a much heftier kebob for the same price a slice of pizza costs.Average is Ok. What's not ok is the pizza on offer looks like it's been sitting for 6 hours.
Maybe I'll take another look as I'm due for a Spaghetti run soon. Good spaghetti in area. Confirmed by really old expats who go there.
Good summary, I agree with this though 500 baht seems a very low offer, even for early morning hours.Well he prefaced it with "young farang. " Ladies will take less from guys that are young, good looking, certain races, etc. I'm sure if a guy fits what they're specifically attracted to and it's 3 am in some club they'll go free with said guy playing the long game.
Raj Patela
11-15-23, 03:37
Good summary, I agree with this though 500 baht seems a very low offer, even for early morning hours.Watching you tubers live stream early hours in Pattaya. 500 might be Overpaying.
ThaiGoodTimes
11-15-23, 04:43
That is an interesting take on the issue. I have seen several, maybe many reports on here from guys who swear it is not an issue and they often get BBFS with no negotiation or a simple no in the room and off to the races. I have little experience in Thailand in recent years but I do keep up and know a few guys who live there or visit often and their experience seems more in line with yours. Rare and often refused even for offers of more money. I am a little younger than you but also hate condoms and have a hell of a time getting off using one. Often times just seeing the girls get one out and open the package makes my hard on immediately start to disappear! If not I will give it a go but usually just give up and send them off without blowing my load.
If Thailand was more like the PI in that regard I would visit more often as I go to Cambodia for extended periods every year. What a fuck up that place has become! BBFS still available but the girls are asking silly money these days.My experience is also that it's not been an issue for me.
I hit Pattaya about two months ago for a quick 3 day weekend visit and had no trouble getting BBFS with creampie.
I had 6 sessions with ladies, 4 of them 20 yo or less, and 4 of them on Soi 6, with one from a Soi3 bar late night, the other thru TF, and I easily scored 5 BBFS with CIP.
It was only the TF punt where it was negotiated upfront, and 5 of the punts where the same price to the lady of 1500 baht, with the Soi 3 late night 33 yo being only 1000 baht.
Of course the Soi 6 ladies were all fucked on premises, so there were bar fines / room fees in that of a few hundred baht.
In my opinion two of the Soi 6 20 yo's were 7's, one more Soi 6 20 yo was a 6, as was also the TF 19 yo a 6 (tho I had her multipop for two hours for her 1500).
The last Soi 6 late 20's and Soi 3 early 30's were 5's.
Photos of the Soi 6 7's can be found easily in my earlier posts.
Why do I think I am getting it, really who knows.
I am overweight, bald, and old (65 plus), yet I am handsum and can talk the language a little.
The main reason I think is how I present, as I am looked on as safe I guess.
Also I am cut, as have had a vasectomy, and telling the ladies I cannot make babies removes more fear for them than they have of STI's.
So guys, go get cut. LOL.
ThaiGoodTimes
11-15-23, 04:47
Many thanks for these insights. Sadly, I am well over 40 (early 60's) and definitely well over "fit". LOL.
But I can chat and be charming and nice, which has helped me in the past.
I'll have to do more research before I make any dicisions.I'd say got for it in Pattaya. Or even Bangkok.
You sound very similar to me, and I have had no issues recently in Pattaya at all.
With most of my success being had in the supposed wasteland of Soi 6 for BBFS.
All done so with OK looking or better ladies, and at fair prices of 1500 baht plus room fees.
Bronx Pizza is very average for those who know their pizza. The draw is it's convenient location in the heart of Buakhao. I prefer the kebab stand that is nearby where you get a much heftier kebob for the same price a slice of pizza costs.Bronx Pizza used to be good. Not any more IMO. There was a place on Soi 6 selling ok pizzas. Like so many places selling ok stuff it's now closed (or has been most of the time). I now go to Pizzaria Toscana on Beach road or to Bella Italia on 2nd road.
Explorer8939
11-15-23, 14:03
Yes, this is probably an issue where Your Mileage May Vary applies more than most.
I don't know what it is about Pattaya and me that my getting a Yes or at least no prolonged resistance about BBFS+CIP with the girls I have met and wanted to fuck is so elusive. I don't and never really did have this much of a problem with girls I wanted to fuck in Bangkok. Or back in the day in Manila and Angeles City, of course. Or any number of other destinations in USA, Mexico, Vietnam, etc. Only Pattaya.
Clearly I am not and have never been as handsome and charming as the punters who claim it is the norm for them in Pattaya or we are choosing very different girls to engage for the experience or some combination of both.
I will say this, I am sure I could have and can get BBFS+CIP with any number of Pattaya ladies who approach me quite often as I cruise through the scene. Easily. Problem is, I am talking about ladies of an age and level of looks that I don't want to fuck and wouldn't even if they paid me. Not that they aren't nice ladies. They are just not ladies I would seriously engage as prospective P4 P providers.
So anyone looking for plenty of BBFS+CIP in Pattaya, rest assured I am not suggesting it is difficult to score that in Pattaya in the least. I can only relate my experience with the 100 or so girls I have bothered to engage for that level of service in Pattaya.
And to clarify my "100 girls" number results, in part I am talking about the approximate number of girls I have met there, wanted to fuck and took them on a "no upfront discussion about BBFS+CIP, just go with the flow" approach. That would be about 30% of those approximate 100 girls and none of them resulted in a BBFS+CIP experience at crunch time in bed, not even with a bit of cajoling, pressing, offering more money. I stop after one pass at 1-2 of those. I am not going to be whining, pleading or pestering some P4 P girl for it until she finally grudgingly gives in or gives up and pops her legs open. LOL.
Then, after my abysmal record of results with the "no discussion of BBFS+CIP upfront, just go with the flow" approach, I moved on to the "Negotiate BBFS+CIP upfront" approach with the remaining 70% or so of that approximate 100 girls.
And that meant it was much cheaper and less time consuming for me to get that No response upfront before I committed to any money than to get that No at the moment of penetration. It also meant I only took the 1 Pattaya girl in the past 12 years who said Yes upfront to me for it. The one I mentioned in my previous post. For the ones who said No upfront, I smiled, thanked them for their time and moved on.
So my total number of Pattaya girls who wound up in my bed was not 100 but closer to 40-50. I have no idea how many of those No Upfront girls might have changed their mind in the room or simply gone along with BBFS+CIP if I hadn't mentioned it upfront at all. But my previous experience with the "go with the flow" approach informed me it would not be a pretty number. And for those of us who will not be fucking anyone while wearing a condom and where a BBBJ+CIM is likely as much of a No or is done so badly it is also not worth it, well, that's a lot of buzz-killing time and money spent in a hotel room for nothing.
Now, I do vaguely recall that I might have gotten BBFS+CIP with a Pattaya girl I was very attracted to during one of my many trips to Thailand about 30 years ago. But since I spent half a week, 3-4 days, in Bangkok and the other half, 3-4 days, in Pattaya, I can't exactly be certain I met and fucked that particular girl in Pattaya and not Bangkok that long ago. Maybe I got BBFS+CIP with 2 girls of my choice in Pattaya over the years and not just one.
And I should also mention that I have not mongered or engaged in any P4 P discussion upfront or in bed with a girl in Pattaya for about 3 years. My most recent attempt was sometime during the Covid closures. I also never used ThaiFriendly in Pattaya.I'm not excited about such discussions at the critical moment. If she says "condom", I point at my condom drawer. End of discussion.
Ballin at Windmill is Funny. Hahaha.Why is balling at Windmill 1 funny Raj Raj? Actually what I said was.
If I want to go hard in the paint, pull 10000 out of the ATM, roll up into Windmill 1 and have the mamasan move the cheap charlies out of my favorite seat cause me and my friend are each about to by a bottle and make it rain up in that mother fucker, I can do that. Balling on a budget for one night.Where do you be balling on a budget Raj Raj? I happen to like nearly naked girls grinding on you and letting to feel up bare pussy. Don't you?
Sorry but your tones of posting leads one to believe you don't make it Rain 100's. 5 20's I believe.Exactly what tone of posting is that Raj Raj?
Forming plural numbers is a lot easier than forming plural words. You simply add an s to numbers. The other key rule to remember is that you do not need to add an apostrophe before the s. Please make a note of it.
You don't need to feel sorry for me. I am doing outstanding. If you question how I do things, join me the next time go out. Let me teach you something else in this post: The denominations of Thai Bhat notes is 20,50, 100,500, 1000. So, I goto my bank and ask them for a stack of 20's. They hand them to me with that neat wrapper around them. Then they are ready to sit on the table ledge in front of me next to my bottles and mixers that my boys and I are sharing for the fun times. The girls do like earning those 20's.
You and your bud asking for Discount of 200 each if the TFgiro does does a double duty is Hillary ious.Thank your for the compliment, I think. I do not know what why you think My brother wins, I win and the girl wins. Since when to people IRL look down on getting a getting a 20 percent discount off of services. Only on ISG do I find people who are not billionaires bragging about how much money they spend on pussy. In my country of origin there is a man who died a billionaire because he created a business to sell others the things they wanted buy at a discount.
Personally, I think it is as just funny that you ask us to believe that you hire attractive prostitutes just because you pay more than I do. ROTFLMAO Example: Beach Road Prostitute 2000 Bhat. Double in attractiveness to my 1000 Thai Friendly girls in your own mind only. Because if I hire 6's at 1000 that would me you hire 12's at 2000. That is truly impressive. That means when you do a threesome you are doing a combined 24. Some said I could not to math. Can someone please check that for me and make sure it is right? Better yet, can anyone actually verify anything Raj Raj says about the prostitutes he hires?
Still in Pattaya; Still doing outstanding; Still a new poster in the eyes of some people; Still a Tourist in in the minds of others.
Subcmdr (AKA: New poster; AKA; The Tourist) out! Chief of the boat; Rig for dive!
Yes all the girls in Soi 6 do bareback for 1500 easy! Just ask to not come inside pussy.
I'd say got for it in Pattaya. Or even Bangkok.
You sound very similar to me, and I have had no issues recently in Pattaya at all.
With most of my success being had in the supposed wasteland of Soi 6 for BBFS.
All done so with OK looking or better ladies, and at fair prices of 1500 baht plus room fees.
Raj Patela
11-15-23, 16:30
To be clear I'm not Complaining. I know what diff stokes for. Yadda.
For informational purposes Only.
Ventured outside of my comfort zone.
Windmill 2-.
Remember in the 5th grade and you went on a School Trip to the county Fare. Hahaha.
The Cows had udders. Hahaha.
Well you know what I have to say. Everywhere I looked I saw Udders.
There was one girl who probably Looked hot 20 years ago. Say dark skin Baitiey is what came to mind.
I have no Clue what it costs for Short time. Could be Free if you young and Hansum to 3,000 if you old and not Hansum.
P.S. I did not see any young and Hansum. I did see lots of the other kind.
Ass Addict
11-15-23, 17:19
Let me teach you something else in this post: The denominations of Thai Bhat notes is 20,50, 100,500, 1000.
This afternoon, got on the Bhat bus at Soi 13/2 on Beach Road.Can somebody tell that guy the money used in Thailand is the Thai Baht not Thai Bhat, thanks.
Banana Boi
11-15-23, 17:45
Yes all the girls in Soi 6 do bareback for 1500 easy! Just ask to not come inside pussy.Stop misinforming people! My definition of 'all' is 100%. So are you now saying every single girl on Soi 6 will do BBFS? Even the ones who don't go upstairs for less than 1500 baht?
If this is true guys, don't ask and stick your cock in raw for any girl you pay 1500 baht to on Soi 6. Curious for feedback on what happens to you.
Windmill 2-.
Remember in the 5th grade and you went on a School Trip to the county Fare. Hahaha.
The Cows had udders. Hahaha.
Well you know what I have to say. Everywhere I looked I saw Udders.
Ok now this is pretty funny to me. It's what I would say if you were sitting beside me in a gogo bar, which is quite different from my ISG persona.
BackpackBrian
11-15-23, 18:22
Many thanks for these insights. Sadly, I am well over 40 (early 60's) and definitely well over "fit". LOL.
But I can chat and be charming and nice, which has helped me in the past.
I'll have to do more research before I make any dicisions.MyHappy.
Here's what I would do if I were you (60+).
Follow my advice and don't negotiate for BBFS+CIP at anytime before you are in the room in the act (Important). Just expect it!
If the girl stops you from sticking it in without a condom and demands it, tell her you don't have one. If she has one (which many do), say something like, "can we do it without?
Many will give in, but if she says no and is adamant about using one, tell her you will give her extra money or a tip.
Remember! The Asians have a culture of negotiating and almost anything can be had for a price. Ask her how much extra she wants and see what she says, if it's high, 1,000+ Baht I would start low with your offer, say 500 Baht and see if she excepts. If she asks for more counter her with something lower until you reach an agreement. So in addition to YMMV and your looks and age, it also depends on your negotiating skills. The more you do it the easier it is!
Just a minor piece of information to do what you will with:
For every ST the girls get charged by the bar for various things, and the prices are quite varied. The group that owns La La Land, Cooters and one other I can't remember charges them just 20 baht for "room cleaning. ".
On the higher end, Illuzion, a one-off owned by a German national, charges the girls 100 baht for room cleaning and another 100 baht for "bar opening" (the meaning of which I still haven't been able to decipher).
I'm not sure about the Nightwish bars, but I have to imagine it is a common practice there as well.
EverythingThai
11-15-23, 20:56
Yes all the girls in Soi 6 do bareback for 1500 easy! Just ask to not come inside pussy.Just a blatant false statement. It is true that many will, especially when drunk and then taken up to the ST room above the bar. But to say all meaning 100% is just false.
EverythingThai
11-15-23, 21:24
But you are Scaremongering people into thinking Hotel prices are High. They really aren't.
Even Kenny G couldn't sell out Pattaya this past weekend.
I'm pretty sure my Red Planet charged under $20 a night Sat. And Friday.Raj, I am reading many of your posts. Most are saying Pattaya is slow, prices are low and guys should only be paying 500 Baht for the girls LOL. Do you not think that these price police comments, Pattaya is done and dusted comments and business is really bad stuff, just so you can justify cheap charllying out is getting old? My take on this is pretty simple. Nobody should tell anyone else how to spend their money. To think that what others pay will ruin the market or influence the girls is getting really old. Who cares mate. Can we all not just post about our experiences without having to read price police or safe sex police comments? Just enjoy the content posted here. Pattaya has something for everyone and I love it. One night I can be a cheap Charlie and go and get laid for 1000 baht. Another night I can be a baller and spend 25-40 K in one night. Have fun mate.
EverythingThai
11-15-23, 21:27
Why is balling at Windmill 1 funny Raj Raj? Actually what I said was.
Where do you be balling on a budget Raj Raj? I happen to like nearly naked girls grinding on you and letting to feel up bare pussy. Don't you?
Exactly what tone of posting is that Raj Raj?
Forming plural numbers is a lot easier than forming plural words. You simply add an s to numbers. The other key rule to remember is that you do not need to add an apostrophe before the s. Please make a note of it.
You don't need to feel sorry for me. I am doing outstanding. If you question how I do things, join me the next time go out. Let me teach you something else in this post: The denominations of Thai Bhat notes is 20,50, 100,500, 1000. So, I goto my bank and ask them for a stack of 20's. They hand them to me with that neat wrapper around them. Then they are ready to sit on the table ledge in front of me next to my bottles and mixers that my boys and I are sharing for the fun times. The girls do like earning those 20's.
Thank your for the compliment, I think. I do not know what why you think My brother wins, I win and the girl wins. Since when to people IRL look down on getting a getting a 20 percent discount off of services. Only on ISG do I find people who are not billionaires bragging about how much money they spend on pussy. In my country of origin there is a man who died a billionaire because he created a business to sell others the things they wanted buy at a discount.
Personally, I think it is as just funny that you ask us to believe that you hire attractive prostitutes just because you pay more than I do. ROTFLMAO Example: Beach Road Prostitute 2000 Bhat. Double in attractiveness to my 1000 Thai Friendly girls in your own mind only. Because if I hire 6's at 1000 that would me you hire 12's at 2000. That is truly impressive. That means when you do a threesome you are doing a combined 24. Some said I could not to math. Can someone please check that for me and make sure it is right? Better yet, can anyone actually verify anything Raj Raj says about the prostitutes he hires?
Still in Pattaya; Still doing outstanding; Still a new poster in the eyes of some people; Still a Tourist in in the minds of others.
Subcmdr (AKA: New poster; AKA; The Tourist) out! Chief of the boat; Rig for dive!You role just fine mate. Similar to me. Keep it up! Enjoy Pattaya. Don't let the price police get you down. Ball out mate!!
EverythingThai
11-15-23, 21:35
I visited Manila / Angeles for the 1st time earlier this year for 3 weeks. Had a very good time. Now I understand the risks and how to mitigate them as much as possible, so no lectures, please. I'm looking for BBFS / CIP and wondering if I can find that in Pattaya for around or near the same level of effort and price as I experienced in the Philippines. Specifically, I was able to get what I wanted, mostly ST for between $80-150 including bar fines with 9 out 10 sessions. (You can find several of my TR's in the Phills forum from Feb-Mar, 2023.).
Is it likely I can do the same in Thailand? I have read through several weeks of posts here, and although there is mention, it's not really clear to me if I can get what I'm looking for without paying 2 to 4 times "normal" rates. I'm planning a one-month trip for early Spring, 2024.
Any feedback or advice will be appreciated.Don't listen to any of these blokes. In Pattaya, I have not used a condom one time. I get BBFS CIP everytime. Sometimes I pay a little extra and sometimes I don't. If BBFS CIP is your thing, Pattaya should be the place for you. No need to reevaluate anything mate. If you don't come to Pattaya, you will regret it.
Tvataham274
11-15-23, 22:42
Yes all the girls in Soi 6 do bareback for 1500 easy! Just ask to not come inside pussy.There are no absolutes in Pattaya. There are no absolutes anywhere in the world.
Mr Enternational
11-15-23, 23:16
Just a blatant false statement. It is true that many will, especially when drunk and then taken up to the ST room above the bar. But to say all meaning 100% is just false.
Don't listen to any of these blokes. In Pattaya, I have not used a condom one time. I get BBFS CIP everytimeSometimes I pay a little extra and sometimes.Well it may not be ALL, but it appears to be all that me and you have come across. I have never negotiated it and have never paid extra for it. I do not go looking for it; it just happens that way. I do not tend to take drunk chicks either. YMMV.
Raj Patela
11-16-23, 01:47
Raj, I am reading many of your posts. Most are saying Pattaya is slow, prices are low and guys should only be paying 500 Baht for the girls LOL. Do you not think that these price police comments, Pattaya is done and dusted comments and business is really bad stuff, just so you can justify cheap charllying out is getting old? My take on this is pretty simple. Nobody should tell anyone else how to spend their money. To think that what others pay will ruin the market or influence the girls is getting really old. Who cares mate. Can we all not just post about our experiences without having to read price police or safe sex police comments? Just enjoy the content posted here. Pattaya has something for everyone and I love it. One night I can be a cheap Charlie and go and get laid for 1000 baht. Another night I can be a baller and spend 25-40 K in one night. Have fun mate.I Object. Read my post clearly. Pattaya is Slow,. As for pricing the only thing I emphasize is 1,000 baht and you going Ugly, etc.
You even agree by saying 1 k is Cheap Charlie style.
Back handed slap at the Commander?
Sorry if my posts are repetitive but the issues brought up are Repetitive.
Raj Patela
11-16-23, 01:58
About Pricing. Hahaha.
I was sitting in a Soi 6 Bar having a Chocolate Bar last night in the Desire area. What was I thinking of? How much do these costs and how many customers do they get.
Are these what Floats the Commanders Boat. Hahaha. Hahaha.
Raj Patela
11-16-23, 02:19
Please vote. Yes I'm just trying to drum up issues. Explorer doesn't post like he used to. I miss him.
A guy says Ugly one night than Goddess next night.
Any of you do this?
Me. I just look for same same. Middle of the Road, everyday and twice on Sunday. If I don't find what I'm looking for I go Home sad,. Which is most of the time. Hahaha.
Explorer8939
11-16-23, 02:31
Don't listen to any of these blokes. In Pattaya, I have not used a condom one time. I get BBFS CIP everytime. Sometimes I pay a little extra and sometimes I don't. If BBFS CIP is your thing, Pattaya should be the place for you. No need to reevaluate anything mate. If you don't come to Pattaya, you will regret it.So you are saying you have been laid in Pattaya once?
Banana Boi
11-16-23, 02:32
Well it may not be ALL, but it appears to be all that me and you have come across. I have never negotiated it and have never paid extra for it. I do not go looking for it;Gilolo is a known poster on here who says 90-100% of ALL Thai girls do BBFS. Every single one of his posts say that. That certainly isn't true for me. This post was a bit different cause he now suggests that if you give Soi 6 girls 0-500 baht more BBFS is a guarantee. We all know that isn't true at all.
Is BBFS on Soi 6 available? Of course. However, it usually isn't if you dive right in and jam your dick in her pussy raw right off the bat. If you repeat with a girl chances of BBFS increase exponentially. If you can't finish and the girl doesn't think you look disgusting she may rip off your condom and BBFS you on your first visit.
But to continually post on here 90+% of all Thai girls including gogo girls do BBFS it doing injustice for many naive guys who don't know any better.
Explorer8939
11-16-23, 02:36
I am traveling in Vietnam with 2 Thai ladied in Vietnam at the moment (2000 baht per lady per day). My practice is to let me rest the first night and get lots of sleep. So, I just got a BBBJ from one before we passed out.
Tonight, there will be joint activities with both ladies, as they will lots of energy. Yes, I brought Sangsom from Thailand for them.
Gilolo is a known poster on here who says 90-100% of ALL Thai girls do BBFS. Every single one of his posts say that. That certainly isn't true for me. This post was a bit different cause he now suggests that if you give Soi 6 girls 0-500 baht more BBFS is a guarantee. We all know that isn't true at all.
Is BBFS on Soi 6 available? Of course. However, it usually isn't if you dive right in and jam your dick in her pussy raw right off the bat. If you repeat with a girl chances of BBFS increase exponentially. If you can't finish and the girl doesn't think you look disgusting she may rip off your condom and BBFS you on your first visit.
But to continually post on here 90+% of all Thai girls including gogo girls do BBFS it doing injustice for many naive guys who don't know any better.I am sure anyone on this site no matter their age, weight, looks, personality, etc could choose or accept sessions with females everyday who will agree to BBFS+CIP with them in Pattaya or any other P4 P destination on Earth.
I don't think in all my visits to Pattaya I was ever more than 1 street and a 10 minute walk away from a woman who would likely be perfectly fine with having BBFS+CIP with me or the next guy for almost any amount of money. Or free. Same as in Bangkok, New York, Paris, London, everywhere.
If merely "getting" BBFS+CIP is anyone's goal, that will never be a problem. Buy a plane ticket and book a hotel room just about anywhere you want or, really, just step outside your residence right now and look around for a few minutes. You'll probably spot a likely prospect within minutes.
Raj Patela
11-16-23, 04:18
Just a minor piece of information to do what you will with:
For every ST the girls get charged by the bar for various things, and the prices are quite varied. The group that owns La La Land, Cooters and one other I can't remember charges them just 20 baht for "room cleaning. ".
On the higher end, Illuzion, a one-off owned by a German national, charges the girls 100 baht for room cleaning and another 100 baht for "bar opening" (the meaning of which I still haven't been able to decipher).
I'm not sure about the Nightwish bars, but I have to imagine it is a common practice there as well.Let me take a Stab at Bar Opening fee.
It's like a Hairdresser paying rent for her Chair.
If No Opening fee Girls might just go to Sit and do Nothing. Just enjoy hanging out.
Gilolo is a known poster on here who says 90-100% of ALL Thai girls do BBFS. Every single one of his posts say that. That certainly isn't true for me. This post was a bit different cause he now suggests that if you give Soi 6 girls 0-500 baht more BBFS is a guarantee. We all know that isn't true at all.
Is BBFS on Soi 6 available? Of course. However, it usually isn't if you dive right in and jam your dick in her pussy raw right off the bat. If you repeat with a girl chances of BBFS increase exponentially. If you can't finish and the girl doesn't think you look disgusting she may rip off your condom and BBFS you on your first visit.
But to continually post on here 90+% of all Thai girls including gogo girls do BBFS it doing injustice for many naive guys who don't know any better.I applaud your effort to keep it real up in here. Everyone needs to take things with a grain of salt. Sometimes it is just best to let guys learn on their own. Here is what I have learned from reading the Pattaya thread:
Thai Prostitutes that have boyfriends and husbands but none of us know about it.
This is if they don't have a Thai man waiting for them at home. If so, they just go home when they have money..2. Thai Baht (THB) is the currency used in Thailand.
Can somebody tell that guy the money used in Thailand is the Thai Baht not Thai Bhat, thanks.3. All prostitues that will take 1000 Thai Baht (did I get that right this time?) are like this guy says:
It's not enough to give only prices you need to associate with quality. 1,ooo ish, I'm including up to. 1,199 baht. There is no YMMV, you are getting bottom of the Barrel Girls. Drugs, Diseased, Nasty, Ugly Muglies.4. Prices for Condos and Hotels do not change during high season.
But you are Scaremongering people into thinking Hotel prices are High. They really aren't.5. Thailand is racist and those with dark skin do not do well here.
Thailand isn't low key racist, it's openly racist. The lighter your skin the better you're treated.6. All girls in Pattaya allow you to BBFSCIP. But that depends on the perspective of the individual who wrote the post.
I have supported each of points 1 - 5 with quotes from posters here in the Pattaya thread. None of it is correct (except for the part that THB is the currency used in Thailand). None of it completely correct (except for the currency part).
I am glad I do not have to rely on just what I read here. Because people write things that make me shake my head. I get the chance to experience things for myself. Others need to do that too.
Can you get what you want from Pattaya? You sure can. Each and every one of us tricking can use our tricking skills to get what we want out or our prostitutes. What are you prepared to do?.
Subcmdr (AKA: Trick, AKA: Tourist, AKA: New Poster).
EverythingThai
11-16-23, 07:49
Well it may not be ALL, but it appears to be all that me and you have come across. I have never negotiated it and have never paid extra for it. I do not go looking for it; it just happens that way. I do not tend to take drunk chicks either. YMMV.Not entirely accurate. For example, I don't go with ladies that don't provide BBFC CIP. Therefore, it just means that I don't fuck girls with condoms. If the girl tells me she only uses condoms. I decline to take her. I knew there would be a * ass LOL to quote me, but you need to understand more clearly what I mean. I'm offered condom service but I decline and only go with ladies who give service BBFS CIP.
Just a minor piece of information to do what you will with:
For every ST the girls get charged by the bar for various things, and the prices are quite varied. The group that owns La La Land, Cooters and one other I can't remember charges them just 20 baht for "room cleaning. ".
On the higher end, Illuzion, a one-off owned by a German national, charges the girls 100 baht for room cleaning and another 100 baht for "bar opening" (the meaning of which I still haven't been able to decipher).
I'm not sure about the Nightwish bars, but I have to imagine it is a common practice there as well.Yes the girls often leave a 20 baht note for the maid, on the bed, before getting down.
That's the only "hidden" charge I'm aware of, with the fact they have to buy the bar's uniforms they are wearing (but these are not overcharged, they can even be cheaper than the ones sold by the daily vendors).
Not entirely accurate. For example, I don't go with ladies that don't provide BBFC CIP. Therefore, it just means that I don't fuck girls with condoms. If the girl tells me she only uses condoms. I decline to take her. I knew there would be a * ass LOL to quote me, but you need to understand more clearly what I mean. I'm offered condom service but I decline and only go with ladies who give service BBFS CIP.So you always negotiate upfront and never go with the flow?
Or they go to Karaoke bars and go with young Thai men who have a second job earlier in the evening working Farang bars and going with Farang men to the room.
Be careful out there.Do you have knowledge about that? I never heard these guys are taking it both sides.
Where are these Farang bars where Farang men go and fuck these karaoke guys? Do you have names of these bars?
Raj Patela
11-16-23, 14:09
What is your problem. Not you SUB.
Bar next to Baitoey. Poor man's Baitoey. Hot in her own Right quoted 2,000 baht offer short time to really old guy, 75 plus, not Hansum but clean White guy. He passed,. Maybe it was Mr Rooms with his list. No offense.
WTF. She does not understand English so that might have been it. She needed a co worker help when I asked how old she was.
Mr Enternational
11-16-23, 14:36
Gilolo is a known poster on here who says 90-100% of ALL Thai girls do BBFS. But to continually post on here 90+% of all Thai girls including gogo girls do BBFS it doing injustice for many naive guys who don't know any better.That is why I said YMMV. Someone else's experience may not be the same. It appears that me and Gilolo have pretty much similar experiences. Like I said, I have never asked for it; I have never asked for any particular thing, but it always happens. Never had to try to kiss a chick in a bar or these other things guys say they do to test them out.
What is your problem. Not you SUB.
Bar next to Baitoey. Poor man's Baitoey. Hot in her own Right quoted 2,000 baht offer short time to really old guy, 75 plus, not Hansum but clean White guy. He passed,. Maybe it was Mr Rooms with his list. No offense.
WTF. She does not understand English so that might have been it. She needed a co worker help when I asked how old she was.I would side with Old Man on this one. She's got no English means she's new, so the 2000 quote has most probably been inspired by all the other friends working the same bar, trying to establish a price for all of them.
The less they get laid at these prices, the sooner they will realize their real value.
Raj Patela
11-16-23, 15:55
Repent Thursday night.
A line up almost as deep as the 1977 Dodgers. Lopes, Russell, Mantle, Garvey, Cey. Baker, and I see the Ball I hit it Pedro Guerrero.
Repent had like 6 Hit Girls. What a line up. Not Stunners but above SubCommanders pay grade by a mile.
Then I went to Pepper Mint Patties. I saw another Baitoey sized Hit Girl. Must have finished her chores on the Rice Farm and high tail Ed to Pattaya just in time for record high season.
EverythingThai
11-16-23, 19:41
So you always negotiate upfront and never go with the flow?Here is what I do. With a freelancer from TF, I make one offer for ST with BBFC CIP. The offer will vary depending on the lady. If they accept, I crack on. If they say no or ask for more money, I may pay a little more or refuse. 9 times out of 10, if they decline at first, I get a message about 5 minutes later with them agreeing. For girls I meet in a gents clubs, go go bars, soi 6 and so on, I always play it by ear. Only one time I have had a girl refuse BBFC CIP while on the bed. I never have to talk about doing it or the price with them. I always just pay a decent amount after the ST or LT encounter and they are always happy. What did I do with the one girl that would not allow BBFS CIP on the bed? I sent her packing with 500 baht and cut my losses for the bar fine and drinks I paid earlier. I do the same if they ask me to pay upfront in my condo. I send them packing with 500 baht and cut my losses. Simple and easy.
EverythingThai
11-16-23, 19:42
What is your problem. Not you SUB.
Bar next to Baitoey. Poor man's Baitoey. Hot in her own Right quoted 2,000 baht offer short time to really old guy, 75 plus, not Hansum but clean White guy. He passed,. Maybe it was Mr Rooms with his list. No offense.
WTF. She does not understand English so that might have been it. She needed a co worker help when I asked how old she was.Could you repeat that again in English please? LOL.
What is your problem. Not you SUB.
Bar next to Baitoey. Poor man's Baitoey. Hot in her own Right quoted 2,000 baht offer short time to really old guy, 75 plus, not Hansum but clean White guy. He passed,. Maybe it was Mr Rooms with his list. No offense.
WTF. She does not understand English so that might have been it. She needed a co worker help when I asked how old she was.Raj have you ever posted a pic of Baitoey? I don't recall seeing a pic of her and wonder what she looks like?
GentileBear
11-16-23, 23:19
Glad to read about the various experiences about my very favorite topic BBFS CIP. Looks like the Thai Creampie series of porn has developed an aficionado following! My $0. 02 to the issue:
-Thai ladies seem more pragmatic about the Sex / Money thing. I found it easier to ask for BBFS CIP servive than say in Philippines or Indonesia. Because the answer would be swift and direct. In Philippines, I would "fuck around" psychologically and telll the lady - "you want me to finish on your face or inside. ?" They usually say inside. Or a Pinay would ask "Bear, do you many girls no condom? - and I answer "Oh I always wear condom on the ugly girls. You are so beautiful, I want to be inside you. ".
In Pattaya my fat and aging body seems to get about 65- 70% success rate. Absolutely not 100% but like I said in Pattaya they will not Freak Out by the question like some of the other places I have been.
NRandom940
11-16-23, 23:35
Here is what I do. With a freelancer from TF, I make one offer for ST with BBFC CIP. The offer will vary depending on the lady. If they accept, I crack on. If they say no or ask for more money, I may pay a little more or refuse. 9 times out of 10, if they decline at first, I get a message about 5 minutes later with them agreeing. For girls I meet in a gents clubs, go go bars, soi 6 and so on, I always play it by ear. Only one time I have had a girl refuse BBFC CIP while on the bed. I never have to talk about doing it or the price with them. I always just pay a decent amount after the ST or LT encounter and they are always happy. What did I do with the one girl that would not allow BBFS CIP on the bed? I sent her packing with 500 baht and cut my losses for the bar fine and drinks I paid earlier. I do the same if they ask me to pay upfront in my condo. I send them packing with 500 baht and cut my losses. Simple and easy.How do you do this without worried about getting a random girl pregnant and / or waking up with gonorrhea every morning.
I have fvcked probably 1500-2000 working girls in my life. I went bareback one time and got gonorrhea. Only STD I've ever had.
I spent last night from high-end soapy to soapy, go-go to go-go but couldn't find a single bird ready for a BBBJ. What is with these girls now a days?
Experienced members, I only have a couple of night left here, please let me know, where I can get a 3 some with BBBJ with 7+ looking girls.Go to GENTS CLUBS.
Club Fate, they will rape you mate.
YMMV.
Absolutely true good sir.
I have been with several ladies this week, all covered FS, (but still BBBJ) because I DO NOT TRUST them, as beautiful as they all are plus the fact 2 of them showed my recent STD tests, yada yada yada. Why take an STD if you're only having covered penetration.
I used to BBFS with all the girls in Maroc, right before one contracted HIV. I dodged that bullet. And before that I BBFS, CIP, CIM, DATY, PSE with porn stars in Hungary right before a syphillis outbreak (I was clear as was my main girl, Jenny Morante, who I posted about 15+ yrs ago on this forum) but others in that Budapest sex group were totally fecked up for life.
Whilst HIV may be a pipe dream, HepC is everywhere in Pattaya and I know cause a good mate works as a doctor.
And yes, several girls I go with have been the karaoke route with pretty young Asian boys who are possibly getting butt pummeled every which way by Farang poofs and LB. I also ask ladies if they'll do A levels. Any yes and I do not touch the biotch.
YMMV.
I am traveling in Vietnam with 2 Thai ladied in Vietnam at the moment (2000 baht per lady per day). My practice is to let me rest the first night and get lots of sleep. So, I just got a BBBJ from one before we passed out.
Tonight, there will be joint activities with both ladies, as they will lots of energy. Yes, I brought Sangsom from Thailand for them.You don't like Vietnamese women?
Explorer8939
11-17-23, 01:00
Do you have knowledge about that? I never heard these guys are taking it both sides.
Where are these Farang bars where Farang men go and fuck these karaoke guys? Do you have names of these bars?Wildly off topic.
Here's a hint: go to Boyztown.
Explorer8939
11-17-23, 01:05
You don't like Vietnamese women?I like to take Pattaya ladies to other countries, and they seem to like it, too. As I write this, the two ladies are walking around the hotel room naked.
Also, coming back to Thai Immigration is a lot easier if you come back with a Thai lady.
Raj Patela
11-17-23, 01:28
Raj have you ever posted a pic of Baitoey? I don't recall seeing a pic of her and wonder what she looks like?Just for reference I have seen her in her bar and around Soi 6. Once I asked how much she said 1,500. I asked again and would have Barfined her she said No.
Explorer do you have an explanation? Maybe sponsor issues,?
Someone posted a Photo of Baitoey in a bar with a long receipt here. It was Funny.
Maybe someone has it in their saved files and will repost it.
Raj Patela
11-17-23, 12:45
Agree or not to agree.
Area in Frogland.
2 ugly AZZ guys selling ice cream. One ugly guy next to an even Uglier guy. Girl could be Owner or Secretary.
I always look at her thinking she Prettier than 69% of Bargirls. Gnome saying. Hahaha. Please Chime in SubMariner Man.
Raj Patela
11-17-23, 13:25
Playing Pens.
2 not the most handsome men from se Asia. Kind of Dumpy, middle age tried to pull off the sub*comm move on just a Mediocre dark skinner, shortish, slight over good weight.
End Game. No one Won. Hahaha. They lack the charm of you know who.
Wasn't able to see price. One fellas head blocked my View.
Raj Patela
11-17-23, 14:34
XS HIT girls.
To me the ones standing are a lot Hitter than the ones inside. What say you.
Tvataham274
11-17-23, 14:49
I do appreciate the comments on bbfscip. I only managed it once with a nice girl on TF. All the girls I did ST with in their on site room, always had a condom. And when I pulled out my own and she insisted on putting it on. They just put it on wrong. Still, going in all natural is hard to resist. I hope I can do it a bit more my next trip. I don't think it should be that of a hurdle, because I'm relatively young and good looking, if not a bit chubby (or normal sized in American).
Explorer8939
11-17-23, 14:58
Just for reference I have seen her in her bar and around Soi 6. Once I asked how much she said 1,500. I asked again and would have Barfined her she said No.
Explorer do you have an explanation? Maybe sponsor issues,?
Someone posted a Photo of Baitoey in a bar with a long receipt here. It was Funny.
Maybe someone has it in their saved files and will repost it.Although some bargirls on Soi 6 have sponsors, I can't think of that stopping a lady from a short time barfine. They don't have to leave the bar to go to the room, so even if they have a jealous Thai boyfriend down the street, they can still go with a customer. Short time. And Soi 6 ladies don't have jealous Thai boyfriends.
Long time is a different story.
Explorer8939
11-17-23, 15:02
How do you do this without worried about getting a random girl pregnant and / or waking up with gonorrhea every morning.When guys brag about going without condoms, they eventually get STDs, and then don't post any more.
But you don't have to worry about getting a bargirl pregnant, it's a non-issue.
EverythingThai
11-17-23, 17:33
How do you do this without worried about getting a random girl pregnant and / or waking up with gonorrhea every morning.
I have fvcked probably 1500-2000 working girls in my life. I went bareback one time and got gonorrhea. Only STD I've ever had.This is not the safe sex thread mate. You can go here if you want to chat about that. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1035-Safe-Sex-and-Sex-Related-Discussions-in-Thailand.
EverythingThai
11-17-23, 17:37
Repent Thursday night.
A line up almost as deep as the 1977 Dodgers. Lopes, Russell, Mantle, Garvey, Cey. Baker, and I see the Ball I hit it Pedro Guerrero.
Repent had like 6 Hit Girls. What a line up. Not Stunners but above SubCommanders pay grade by a mile.I think this is the only post of yours I can agree with. There is one absolute stunner Aun there. Repent is the bomb mate. Live a little and go for it mate. Check out Butterfly too.
Banana Boi
11-17-23, 18:22
Raj have you ever posted a pic of Baitoey? I don't recall seeing a pic of her and wonder what she looks like?
I don't know much about her, never met her, but she said (in that stream from a few weeks ago) she is 18 and still student, and Chan Chalupa said she goes upstairs for 1,5 K (plus room which is 400 there), girl on the left at 1 hour 36 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF8bcg8CvyQ
You can see her in today's stream too (though she doesn't look too childish in this one) at 1 hour 38 min 23 sec, the girl on the left again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3OWeSV7K3Y
There are other videos where one can see her too but it's a pain in the ass to go and find them again.Paolo posted videos but they have since been deleted.
Repent Thursday night.
A line up almost as deep as the 1977 Dodgers. Lopes, Russell, Mantle, Garvey, Cey. Baker, and I see the Ball I hit it Pedro Guerrero.Not to argue but Guerrero came up later. And I'm pretty sure Mantle was a Yankee. (No reference to Sub intended).
EverythingThai
11-18-23, 00:17
When guys brag about going without condoms, they eventually get STDs, and then don't post any more.
But you don't have to worry about getting a bargirl pregnant, it's a non-issue.No one here is bragging about anything. People are asking about BBFS CIP and we are answering their questions. Do you have any issues with that Dr. ?
Explorer8939
11-18-23, 01:30
No one here is bragging about anything. People are asking about BBFS CIP and we are answering their questions. Do you have any issues with that Dr. ?Anyone in Pattaya who only goes with ladies BB is going to have a lot of logistic issues, or go home alone.
They go to a Soi 6 bar, buy a ladydrink, and pop the question to a bargirl. She says no (as some do). Pick another lady, shampoo, rinse, repeat. But now all the ladies in the bar know the customer wants BB, so even if a lady does go BB, she doesn't want the other ladies to know, so she must decline.
Meanwhile, much of the evening has passed by, creating the prospect of the monger going home alone.
Pf course, there are ladies with whom the customer has gone before, but they suffer a high rate of attrition if BB is common for them, due to disease, pregnancy, etc.
And, during High Season, ladies often have customers, so any one particular lady may not be available.
I guess a monger could BF a BB lady Long Time, but that creates a higher possibility that if she gets preggers, she may be able to find the father later.
Raj Patela
11-18-23, 01:43
No one here is bragging about anything. People are asking about BBFS CIP and we are answering their questions. Do you have any issues with that Dr. ?No offense Sir. But I take it as them Bragging.
Kind of a Weird Flex if you ask me. Herpes Sinplex can't be Fun.
No one here is bragging about anything. People are asking about BBFS CIP and we are answering their questions. Do you have any issues with that Dr. ?The statement is plausible. Mongers who go for BBFS go silent when they get hit by something nasty (HepC, multi-resistant gono, HIV). Just like men who advocate marriage go silent once they get taken to the cleaners in the family and have to sleep under bridges for the rest of their lives. There's a perverse selection effect at work.
This is not the safe sex thread mate. You can go here if you want to chat about that. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1035-Safe-Sex-and-Sex-Related-Discussions-in-Thailand.True, but this is not the unsafe sex thread either. Above a certain level of barebacking, a prostitution venue is dead, or it becomes paranoid like South-American brothels (covered blow-jobs, no kissing.). Barebackers can only pursue their hobby thanks to the majority of us who use condoms. Barebackers are free-riders at the expense of condom users. You should speak gratefully, not scathingly, of those of us who cover.
I can confirm you lot of girls in soi 6 have sponsors or even in other bars / gogos in Pattaya and I still fuck them! S.
Although some bargirls on Soi 6 have sponsors, I can't think of that stopping a lady from a short time barfine. They don't have to leave the bar to go to the room, so even if they have a jealous Thai boyfriend down the street, they can still go with a customer. Short time. And Soi 6 ladies don't have jealous Thai boyfriends.
Long time is a different story.
The statement is plausible. Mongers who go for BBFS go silent when they get hit by something nasty (HepC, multi-resistant gono, HIV). Just like men who advocate marriage go silent once they get taken to the cleaners in the family and have to sleep under bridges for the rest of their lives. There's a perverse selection effect at work.
True, but this is not the unsafe sex thread either. Above a certain level of barebacking, a prostitution venue is dead, or it becomes paranoid like South-American brothels (covered blow-jobs, no kissing.). Barebackers can only pursue their hobby thanks to the majority of us who use condoms. Barebackers are free-riders at the expense of condom users. You should speak gratefully, not scathingly, of those of us who cover.How would you know anyone goes silent about anything here? Almost all of us are using nics. And the fellow ISG members I have met in person do not seem to be shy about telling me anything and everything of a sexual nature that has happened to them as I am not shy to tell them.
I would be more suspicious of Safe Sex crusaders unrealistically hyping the dangers of going Bareback. I have certainly encountered more of that in my personal experiences.
Are you saying Barebacking was so commonplace in South America that P4 P is nearly dead there now or for whatever reason they decided to refuse BBBJ and kissing? When and where did that happen?
Barebacking was definitely the norm for me and every other punter I knew in the Philippines when I was going there regularly 30 years ago. And I have not heard that the P4 P scene in the Philippines died or became paralyzed with paranoia since then. From all I can tell it expanded and got bigger since then. I barely recognize the photos of those glitzy mega bars on Field Ave in dusty little Angeles City of yesteryear.
But, really, please don't do me any favors by wearing a condom for sex. Or even think that you are. I hereby relieve you of any such imagined responsibilty. I am fairly certain the vast majority of the 2,500 - 3,000 different bareback P4 P partners I have sessioned with over the past 50 years had plenty of other bareback partners before me. And I have managed just fine, thank you. As has every partner of mine as the result of barebacking with me.
I am not recommending Barebacking and would caution against it as a routine unless the punter has gotten a vasectomy and gets a blood check for STDs and / or STIs and HIV fairly regularly. And the latter is more as just a coutesy for ones female partners, not really based on some serious risk of a man acquiring HIV from penetrative vaginal or oral sex. Now, if someone engages in receptive anal sex that is a different matter. But I have never gotten an STD or STI from all the barebacking I have done except a dose of trichomonias I caught from my regular university girlfriend at age 20. We took the pills for 4-5 days and all was good. Therefore, I could not have passed one along to someone else.
Someone posted a Photo of Baitoey in a bar with a long receipt here. It was Funny.
Maybe someone has it in their saved files and will repost it.I think it was the first pic.
There were many pics of her with her breakfirst posted until late September, but none recently. Is she even still working there? There has been a lot of turn over in Playpen too.
The more guys use condoms the greater the availability of girls since those who get STDs have to take some time off getting medically attended to and cured.
Explorer8939
11-18-23, 15:00
The more guys use condoms the greater the availability of girls since those who get STDs have to take some time off getting medically attended to and cured.Not to mention the BB ladies who get preggers and take a year off.
Explorer8939
11-18-23, 15:05
How would you know anyone goes silent about anything here? Almost all of us are using nics. And the fellow ISG members I have met in person do not seem to be shy about telling me anything and everything of a sexual nature that has happened to them as I am not shy to tell them.
I would be more suspicious of Safe Sex crusaders unrealistically hyping the dangers of going Bareback. I have certainly encountered more of that in my personal experiences.
Are you saying Barebacking was so commonplace in South America that P4 P is nearly dead there now or for whatever reason they decided to refuse BBBJ and kissing? When and where did that happen?
Barebacking was definitely the norm for me and every other punter I knew in the Philippines when I was going there regularly 30 years ago. And I have not heard that the P4 P scene in the Philippines died or became paralyzed with paranoia since then. From all I can tell it expanded and got bigger since then. I barely recognize the photos of those glitzy mega bars on Field Ave in dusty little Angeles City of yesteryear.
But, really, please don't do me any favors by wearing a condom for sex. Or even think that you are. I hereby relieve you of any such imagined responsibilty. I am fairly certain the vast majority of the 2,500 - 3,000 different bareback P4 P partners I have sessioned with over the past 50 years had plenty of other bareback partners before me. And I have managed just fine, thank you. As has every partner of mine as the result of barebacking with me.
I am not recommending Barebacking and would caution against it as a routine unless the punter has gotten a vasectomy and gets a blood check for STDs and / or STIs and HIV fairly regularly. And the latter is more as just a coutesy for ones female partners, not really based on some serious risk of a man acquiring HIV from penetrative vaginal or oral sex. Now, if someone engages in receptive anal sex that is a different matter. But I have never gotten an STD or STI from all the barebacking I have done except a dose of trichomonias I caught from my regular university girlfriend at age 20. We took the pills for 4-5 days and all was good. Therefore, I could not have passed one along to someone else.My practice is to use some common sense in using condoms or not.
It really depends on my knowing how many customers or boyfriends she goes with.
If you were with a hot lady, but knew she was doing 8 South Asians at a time, would you use a condom or not?
Raj Patela
11-18-23, 16:26
I think it was the first pic.
There were many pics of her with her breakfirst posted until late September, but none recently. Is she even still working there? There has been a lot of turn over in Playpen too.Haven't seen her in awhile. Meaning 3 weeks or so.
EverythingThai
11-18-23, 17:40
The statement is plausible. Mongers who go for BBFS go silent when they get hit by something nasty (HepC, multi-resistant gono, HIV). Just like men who advocate marriage go silent once they get taken to the cleaners in the family and have to sleep under bridges for the rest of their lives. There's a perverse selection effect at work.
True, but this is not the unsafe sex thread either. Above a certain level of barebacking, a prostitution venue is dead, or it becomes paranoid like South-American brothels (covered blow-jobs, no kissing.). Barebackers can only pursue their hobby thanks to the majority of us who use condoms. Barebackers are free-riders at the expense of condom users. You should speak gratefully, not scathingly, of those of us who cover.I don't think asking someone to be on the topic of the thread is speaking scathingly. The original op asked about BBFS CIP and some of us answered. Simple.
EverythingThai
11-18-23, 17:41
No offense Sir. But I take it as them Bragging.
Kind of a Weird Flex if you ask me. Herpes Sinplex can't be Fun.Ok let me get this straight. If someone posts a question about the availability of BBFS CIP in Pattaya and we answer, that is bragging? Just checking mate.
EverythingThai
11-18-23, 17:42
I think it was the first pic.
There were many pics of her with her breakfirst posted until late September, but none recently. Is she even still working there? There has been a lot of turn over in Playpen too.I have been with her 3 times. Full GFE wink wink.
EverythingThai
11-18-23, 17:59
Anyone in Pattaya who only goes with ladies BB is going to have a lot of logistic issues, or go home alone.
They go to a Soi 6 bar, buy a ladydrink, and pop the question to a bargirl. She says no (as some do). Pick another lady, shampoo, rinse, repeat. But now all the ladies in the bar know the customer wants BB, so even if a lady does go BB, she doesn't want the other ladies to know, so she must decline.
Meanwhile, much of the evening has passed by, creating the prospect of the monger going home alone.
Pf course, there are ladies with whom the customer has gone before, but they suffer a high rate of attrition if BB is common for them, due to disease, pregnancy, etc.
And, during High Season, ladies often have customers, so any one particular lady may not be available.
I guess a monger could BF a BB lady Long Time, but that creates a higher possibility that if she gets preggers, she may be able to find the father later.
Okay, in Pattaya, I never go home alone if I go out to monger. If your post is an opinion, then it's your opinion and that's all. However, if you think your post is accurate, then you are sadly mistaken. I will repeat an earlier post of mine. If I go with a Thai Friendly girl, I arrange for BBFS CIP in advance. If they don't agree, we don't meet. I only go with stunners. 90% of the time, they say yes. Why? Because my offer is good. The other 10% of the time where they say no, 5 minutes later, they come back with a "Give me your location" and they come over. Oh I forgot. I have my own regular TF stunners that will come over and do BBFS CIP for 1000-2000 baht depending on the girl. They are my ST GFs for a night when they are bored. They come over for dinner, Netflix, or a late night shag, or when they are horny or when they don't get a customer at the club. Easy.
Now when I go out to Soi 6, a Gents club, Go go bar, or a beer bar, I never ask for BBFC CIP. I never negotiate for it. I take really good care of the girl I take home for LT or do a ST with before the deed. For example, the last time I went out, my chosen girl got 40 Lady drinks from me. That's 6000 baht at 150 Baht each. Then there was the 3 bell rings. And then my drinks. So my bin was about 25 K. When it came time for me and the girl to get down to business, we just did it. No condom brought out. No condom discussed. Then I pay them what I want in the morning or after the ST. Only 1 time in 14 years of being in Pattaya has the girl refused. I sent her packing with taxi money and called over a TF freelancer. She was not upset because I took care of her well during the night. How's that for your theory mate?
I will go one step further too. I have plenty of mates who are long term expats in Pattaya. All don't use condoms. Then one further. I have asked a few girls about it in the bar and in my room after the deed. Yes, the girls talk about sex with their customers, with the other girls, and with their other customers. Most girls working in Pattaya go BB at least 50% of the time. That means if they fuck 10 guys, they will do BBFS CIP with 5 of them. Many girls tell me this. They say that many customers ask for BBFS CIP and sometimes if they don't accept, they are afraid they won't get a customer. They also do it with good customers who take care of them or with a long time customer for their normal standard rate, or when they are very drunk and just forget because their inhibitions are low. I've heard it first hand from girls and punters.
Maybe this is not what you wanted to hear, but its all true mate. So, can we just get back on topic now and accept that BBFS CIP is very common in Pattaya and move on? Punters can decide if they will use a condom or not. Simple. I am not bragging either. I am just proving you are wrong.
NRandom940
11-18-23, 18:13
Okay, in Pattaya, I never go home alone if I go out to monger. If your post is an opinion, then it's your opinion and that's all. However, if you think your post is accurate, then you are sadly mistaken. I will repeat an earlier post of mine. If I go with a Thai Friendly girl, I arrange for BBFS CIP in advance. If they don't agree, we don't meet. I only go with stunners. 90% of the time, they say yes. Why? Because my offer is good. The other 10% of the time where they say no, 5 minutes later, they come back with a "Give me your location" and they come over. Oh I forgot. I have my own regular TF stunners that will come over and do BBFS CIP for 1000-2000 baht depending on the girl. They are my ST GFs for a night when they are bored. They come over for dinner, Netflix, or a late night shag, or when they are horny or they don't get a customer at the club. Easy.
Now when I go out to Soi 6, a Gents club, Go go bar, or a beer bar, I never ask for BBFC CIP. I never negotiate for it. I take really good care of the girl I take home for LT or do a ST with before the deed. For example, the last time I went out, my chosen girl got 40 Lady drinks from me. Thats 6000 baht at 150 Baht each. Then there was the 3 bell rings. And then my drinks. So my bin was about 25 K. When it came time for me and the girl to get down to business, we just did it. No condom brought out. No condom discussed. Then I pay them what I want in the morning or after the ST. Only 1 time in 14 years of being in Pattaya has the girl refused. I sent her packing with taxi money and called over a TF freelancer. She was not upset because I took care of her well during the night. How's that for your theory mate?
I will go one step further too. I have plenty of mates who are long term expats in Pattaya. All don't use condoms. Then one further. I have asked a few girls about it in the bar and in my room after the deed. Yes, the girls talk about sex with their customers, with the other girls, and with their other customers. Most girls working in Pattaya go BB at least 50% of the time. They do it with good customers who take care of them or with a long time customer for their normal standard rate, or when they are very drunk and just forget because their inhibitions are low. I've heard it first hand from girls and punters.
Maybe this is not what you wanted to hear, but its all true mate. So, can we just get back on topic now and accept that BBFS CIP is very common in Pattaya and move on? Punters can decide if they will use a condom or not. Simple.What price do you offer to TF girls for BBFS CIP?
And please explain why you're not worried about accidental pregnancy.
GentileBear
11-18-23, 18:15
, my chosen girl got 40 Lady drinks from me. That's 6000 baht at 150 Baht each. Then there was the 3 bell rings. And then my drinks. So my bin was about 25 K..25,000 THB = $706.82 United States Dollars.
Fuck Me Jesus! You just scared me into wearing condoms.
Mr Enternational
11-18-23, 18:23
Now when I go out to Soi 6, a Gents club, Go go bar, or a beer bar, I never ask for BBFC CIP. I never negotiate for it. I take really good care of the girl I take home for LT or do a ST with before the deed. For example, the last time I went out, my chosen girl got 40 Lady drinks from me. Thats 6000 baht at 150 Baht each. Then there was the 3 bell rings. And then my drinks. So my bin was about 25 K. When it came time for me and the girl to get down to business, we just did it. No condom brought out. No condom discussed. Then I pay them what I want in the morning or after the ST. Only 1 time in 14 years of being in Pattaya has the girl refused. I sent her packing with taxi money and called over a TF freelancer. She was not upset because I took care of her well during the night. How's that for your theory mate?Well mine works almost the same way. I go to a place. Maybe I will buy myself a Sangsom on ice or soda water. I will get a chick's Line and tell her to come after work. How much you give me? 1000 baht. When it comes time to get down to business we just do it like you say: no condom discussed. I am not one of the guys that it has to be no condom, it just almost always works out that way. In the morning around 9 or 10, we fuck again then I take her to her room, back to the bar, massage parlor, 711, or wherever she wants to go, and give her 1000 baht or 1200 baht and say see you soon. As you say, this has been going on for 14 years with me as well. Nothing out of the ordinary. Just business as usual.
EverythingThai
11-18-23, 18:27
Went into Buzzing Lounge on Soi Pothole a month ago. Thought I would report on it. Good variety of girls and it was extremely busy. Sorry Raj, Pattaya is busy and it is not done and dusted like you think. The best way to describe this gents club is a neighborhood bar. Trevor bounces around from table to table trying to be a good host along with Beer. Great atmosphere. They have a curtained area where you can get naughty with the girls. On this occasion, I took Sugar behind the curtain. What a sweet heart. Mind you this was after her 6 wracks of tequila LOL. Wracks come with 6 shots for 790 baht instead of the normal 5 shots. She was great fun and let's just say she took care of me like it was strictly business. One of the best ST shags I have had this year. In the top 10.
EverythingThai
11-18-23, 18:32
25,000 THB = $706.82 United States Dollars.
Fuck Me Jesus! You just scared me into wearing condoms.
Now you will start to wear condoms. Did you think you were special before? Honestly mate. Did you think you were the girl's special someone and that's why she let you go BB? Mate, they do it all the time. Do what you want. Glad I was able to clued you in. Now you can make a realistic decision. Just curious. You have never had a 25k Baht bar bin? Really? Not even 1 time? By the way, why does the 25K baht bar bin scare you into using condoms? That was not what I paid the girl. That was just my bar bin.
By the way, for any of you guys that meet a Patttaya girl on holiday and go back home thinking she is your GF because you send her money so she can stop work, think again. I just fucked a TF girl last Monday. Her bloke from the UK sends her 1000 pounds a month. She comes over to fuck me once a week and you know she gives me the same GFE as her BF gets when he is here. I pay her 2000 Baht each time. These girls are ruthless, money hungry, and sometimes down right evil the way they suck money out of unexpecting holiday guys after they go back home. She comes to me in the early mornings because her boyfriend has gone to bed and she knows he won't call her.
I have been with her 3 times. Full GFE wink wink.Which means you did her bareback if we are to believe what you said in an earlier post.
Out of curiosity how much was the damage, and did you buy these racks before banging?
Now you will start to wear condoms. Did you think you were special before? Honestly mate. Did you think you were the girl's special someone and that's why she let you go BB? Mate, they do it all the time. Do what you want. Glad I was able to clued you in. Now you can make a realistic decision. Just curious. You have never had a 25k Baht bar bin? Really? Not even 1 time? By the way, why does the 25K baht bar bin scare you into using condoms? That was not what I paid the girl. That was just my bar bin.
By the way, for any of you guys that meet a Patttaya girl on holiday and go back home thinking she is your GF because you send her money so she can stop work, think again. I just fucked a TF girl last Monday. Her bloke from the UK sends her 1000 pounds a month. She comes over to fuck me once a week and you know she gives me the same GFE as her BF gets when he is here. I pay her 2000 Baht each time. These girls are ruthless, money hungry, and sometimes down right evil the way they suck money out of unexpecting holiday guys after they go back home. She comes to me in the early mornings because her boyfriend has gone to bed and she knows he won't call her.I have never spent $700+ in one night buying shots for some bargirl and I am very generous Each to their own.
Explorer8939
11-19-23, 00:43
By the way, for any of you guys that meet a Patttaya girl on holiday and go back home thinking she is your GF because you send her money so she can stop work, think again. I just fucked a TF girl last Monday. Her bloke from the UK sends her 1000 pounds a month. She comes over to fuck me once a week and you know she gives me the same GFE as her BF gets when he is here. I pay her 2000 Baht each time. These girls are ruthless, money hungry, and sometimes down right evil the way they suck money out of unexpecting holiday guys after they go back home. She comes to me in the early mornings because her boyfriend has gone to bed and she knows he won't call her.Absolutely true.
In fact, the ladies think guys who send money for nothing are a little weird.
I know a lady who gets 30,000 baht a month from a sponsor. She is sleeping next to me. Not that I am anything special for her, I pay 2000 a night. But she gives money to her Thai husband.
Raj Patela
11-19-23, 02:13
We have a new Sheriff in Town. 😂.
TF Stunners for 1,000 baht. Hookay Buddy.
Keep it Real Bro.
Explorer8939
11-19-23, 02:27
Okay, in Pattaya, I never go home alone if I go out to monger. If your post is an opinion, then it's your opinion and that's all. However, if you think your post is accurate, then you are sadly mistaken. I will repeat an earlier post of mine. If I go with a Thai Friendly girl, I arrange for BBFS CIP in advance. If they don't agree, we don't meet. I only go with stunners. 90% of the time, they say yes. Why? Because my offer is good. The other 10% of the time where they say no, 5 minutes later, they come back with a "Give me your location" and they come over. Oh I forgot. I have my own regular TF stunners that will come over and do BBFS CIP for 1000-2000 baht depending on the girl. They are my ST GFs for a night when they are bored. They come over for dinner, Netflix, or a late night shag, or when they are horny or when they don't get a customer at the club. Easy.
Now when I go out to Soi 6, a Gents club, Go go bar, or a beer bar, I never ask for BBFC CIP. I never negotiate for it. I take really good care of the girl I take home for LT or do a ST with before the deed. For example, the last time I went out, my chosen girl got 40 Lady drinks from me. That's 6000 baht at 150 Baht each. Then there was the 3 bell rings. And then my drinks. So my bin was about 25 K. When it came time for me and the girl to get down to business, we just did it. No condom brought out. No condom discussed. Then I pay them what I want in the morning or after the ST. Only 1 time in 14 years of being in Pattaya has the girl refused. I sent her packing with taxi money and called over a TF freelancer. She was not upset because I took care of her well during the night. How's that for your theory mate?
I will go one step further too. I have plenty of mates who are long term expats in Pattaya. All don't use condoms. Then one further. I have asked a few girls about it in the bar and in my room after the deed. Yes, the girls talk about sex with their customers, with the other girls, and with their other customers. Most girls working in Pattaya go BB at least 50% of the time. That means if they fuck 10 guys, they will do BBFS CIP with 5 of them. Many girls tell me this. They say that many customers ask for BBFS CIP and sometimes if they don't accept, they are afraid they won't get a customer. They also do it with good customers who take care of them or with a long time customer for their normal standard rate, or when they are very drunk and just forget because their inhibitions are low. I've heard it first hand from girls and punters.
Maybe this is not what you wanted to hear, but its all true mate. So, can we just get back on topic now and accept that BBFS CIP is very common in Pattaya and move on? Punters can decide if they will use a condom or not. Simple. I am not bragging either. I am just proving you are wrong.My observations about the logistics of looking for a bargirl who allows BB pertains to mongers who come to Pattaya for a short holiday, not people who live in Pattaya.
Raj Patela
11-19-23, 02:28
Across Jannat Club is another big Indian Club going up. Is the touristy Indian that can't into Jumping Jacks Flash that profitable a Demographic. ,. Hahaha
Last week I did see an Indian pass money to Security,. Any thoughts on what that was about. ? I was walking out a favorite Bar so didn't want to observe too much. I really don't want to get Beaten up.
Explorer8939
11-19-23, 04:31
25,000 THB = $706.82 United States Dollars.
Fuck Me Jesus! You just scared me into wearing condoms.The ladies tell me about such customers ("whales".
I remember one guy who threw cash and gold around, he took one lady to Vietnam and paid her 250,000 baht (I wouldn't have fucked her for free). Took her on a boat trip and made her fuck the crew.
His last junket was to Laos, but he never came back. They found his body, but not his gold.
This lovely gave me the best dry-through-my-pants HJ jerk off in the history of my career.
Super bargain for the quality of the O. Only matched by her magnifico boobs.
YMMV.
I think it was the first pic.
There were many pics of her with her breakfirst posted until late September, but none recently. Is she even still working there? There has been a lot of turn over in Playpen too.Thanks Paolo. She's good looking.
Raj Patela
11-19-23, 06:30
Which means you did her bareback if we are to believe what you said in an earlier post.
Out of curiosity how much was the damage, and did you buy these racks before banging?I'm finding this guy to be as Believe able as the Commander of the 587th Fleet in Timbuck2.
No Offense.
We have a new Sheriff in Town.
TF Stunners for 1,000 baht. Hookay Buddy.
Keep it Real Bro.What the actual.
Can you please let us all know what is the latest here please.
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