Pattaya Reports

[EverythingThai]

Prostitution is also illegal in Thailand, go figure.You are correct.


That is why when the police come for the beach road chicks they get them for loitering, not prostitution. Also, if you do not pay a chick she can go to the police station and tell them that you owe her money for boom boom.

You are wrong Mr. E. The police choose not to enforce the law on prostitution as loitering is easier to prove with less paperwork and its easier to get a bribe.

Can you cite anything that supports that statement?

Maybe Rocko20 cant but I can. You are wrong Philip Marlow. Please read below.


No, it isn't. Actively profiting from someone else's prostitution is illegal, that's why there's so many loopholes. But the act of buying / selling sex itself is totally legal.You are wrong. Prostitution is clearly illegal as well as profiting from it. My colleagues at Siam legal summarize it very nicely here. If you don't know, don't say. The reason you think it's legal is because it is not enforced in many situations, but the laws are clear. Prostitution is illegal in Pattaya and everywhere in Thailand.

Please read.

Although it's a misconception that prostitution is legalized in Thailand due to popular perception and how openly it is promoted, Thai laws are very much against it. Neither prostitution nor solicitation is legal in Thailand, and there are serious consequences for taking part in it. Regardless of how relaxed the laws may seem to outsiders, it is very much still possible to be fined or prosecuted for soliciting prostitution in Thailand, so it is not recommended for anyone to get involved in the sex industry.

Laws Concerning Prostitution.

There are three primary acts that make prostitution illegal in Thailand:

1. The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal. Anyone who is caught offering sexual services will be fined a minimum of 1,000 THB. Penalties for those supervising them, such as brothel owners, are higher, as this Act is not focused on punishing the sex workers themselves.

2. The Penal Code Amendment Act:

Section 286 of the Penal Code Amendment Act states that anyone over the age of 16 who subsists on the earnings of a prostitute will be imprisoned for 7 to 20 years and fined from 14,000 to 40,000 THB. Convicted offenders can even be imprisoned for life.

This does not apply to those who rely on financial support from a prostitute who is required by law or morality to provide it.

3. The Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act:

This Act criminalizes all forms of human trafficking, including sex trafficking which involves the recruitment, transfer, and exploitation of individuals for the purpose of forced prostitution. The Act also imposes severe penalties on those who assist and patronize the traffickers.

Fines and Penalties.

To demonstrate what is prohibited and what is not and the consequences that come from infractions, below are two of the many laws stated in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

Section 6: Anyone who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution will be imprisoned for up to 1 month and fined no more than 1,000 THB. Penalties increase after repeated offenses, and deportation and blacklisting from Thailand are also possible. Furthermore, should the solicitation violate other laws and codes, as detailed below, the penalties can accumulate.

Section 8: Anyone who has sexual intercourse with or acts otherwise against a person over the age of 15 but under 18 in a prostitution establishment, with or without their consent, will be imprisoned for up to 3 years and fined between 20,000 to 60,000 THB. However, if it's sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15), the offender will be imprisoned for 2 to 6 years and fined between 40,000 to 120,000 THB.

Below are a few of the laws taken from the Penal Code:

Section 277: Sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15) who is neither the wife nor the husband will result in imprisonment for 4 to 20 years.

Section 279: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and face a fine of 20,000 THB. If the act of indecency was committed through threat, violence, or fraud, the offender will be imprisoned for up to 15 years and fined no more than 30,000 THB.

Section 280: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) and causes bodily harm will be imprisoned for 5 to 20 years and fined between 10,000 to 40,000 THB. If this results in the death of the minor, the offender will receive a death sentence or lifetime imprisonment.

Section 282: Anyone who procures, seduces, or takes a male or female in order to gratify the sexual desire of a third party without their consent will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and fined up to 2,000 to 20,000 THB. If that person is over the age of 15 but under 18, then the offender will be imprisoned for 3 to 15 years and fined between 6,000 to 30,000 THB.

Pay close attention to number 1 and section 6 and section 8.

Now this is the Pattaya section so I hope this puts this issue to rest and we can move on.


Her is a link to the full suppression act: https://www.dwf.go.th/uploads/Downloads/2b8e484a-1e24-4a1f-bd1e-cda334334b77Prevention%20and%20Suppression%20of%20Prostitution%20Act%20BE%202539.pdf

There are more details in here.

[EverythingThai]

I have lived here for 15 years so I will help you guys to understand. Chinese new year is on the official Thailand holiday calendar. However, it is not a government holiday and businesses can choose to provide it or not. They are obligated to provide 13 public holidays per year. Some business owners will give this off for their staff. Especially if the owner of the Comapny is of Chinese descent. Thais love to celebrate Chinese new year in a similar fashion as they celebrate Christmas. It's just an excuse to party for them. Chinese Thais will celebrate it a little more conventionally, but more often than not, it's not treated as a big holiday like it is in China and Hong Kong.

I will provide some Pattaya reports soon as I will be going there soon. In about 3 weeks or so. Now I'm still in Bangkok.

[PassionSR]

Maybe Rocko20 cant but I can. You are wrong Philip Marlow. Please read below.

You are wrong. Prostitution is clearly illegal as well as profiting from it. My colleagues at Siam legal summarize it very nicely here. If you don't know, don't say. The reason you think it's legal is because it is not enforced in many situations, but the laws are clear. Prostitution is illegal in Pattaya and everywhere in Thailand.

Please read.

Nope, you are wrong. You can twist it all you want, but you're simply wrong.




There are three primary acts that make prostitution illegal in Thailand:

1. The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal. Anyone who is caught offering sexual services will be fined a minimum of 1,000 THB. Penalties for those supervising them, such as brothel owners, are higher, as this Act is not focused on punishing the sex workers themselves.
This is exactly the point. Nothing in this act says prostitution is illegal. It says engaging in prostitution PUBLICLY is illegal. Hence why gathering spots get swept every now and then. You are completely free to pay for sexual services and sell them. Facilitating and profiting from someone else's prostitution it is illegal as I said, hence brothels aren't allowed to exist and bars use loopholes.

All the other citations you linked in fact prove and reinforce this point. Not sure why you are including citations that are clearly meant at the AGE being the factor rather than the prostitution.


Now this is the Pattaya section so I hope this puts this issue to rest and we can move on.Well yes, you are wrong and your reading comprehension is severely lacking. So try to read some more and you'll understand better that prostition is not illegal at all. Only aspects of disturbing public order and profiting from prostitutes are. As well as (obviously) engaging with people who haven't reached the appropriate age.

[EihTooms]

You are correct.



Maybe Rocko20 cant but I can. You are wrong Philip Marlow. Please read below.

You are wrong. Prostitution is clearly illegal as well as profiting from it. My colleagues at Siam legal summarize it very nicely here. If you don't know, don't say. The reason you think it's legal is because it is not enforced in many situations, but the laws are clear. Prostitution is illegal in Pattaya and everywhere in Thailand.

Please read.

Although it's a misconception that prostitution is legalized in Thailand due to popular perception and how openly it is promoted, Thai laws are very much against it. Neither prostitution nor solicitation is legal in Thailand, and there are serious consequences for taking part in it. Regardless of how relaxed the laws may seem to outsiders, it is very much still possible to be fined or prosecuted for soliciting prostitution in Thailand, so it is not recommended for anyone to get involved in the sex industry.

Laws Concerning Prostitution.

There are three primary acts that make prostitution illegal in Thailand:

1. The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal. Anyone who is caught offering sexual services will be fined a minimum of 1,000 THB. Penalties for those supervising them, such as brothel owners, are higher, as this Act is not focused on punishing the sex workers themselves.

2. The Penal Code Amendment Act:

Section 286 of the Penal Code Amendment Act states that anyone over the age of 16 who subsists on the earnings of a prostitute will be imprisoned for 7 to 20 years and fined from 14,000 to 40,000 THB. Convicted offenders can even be imprisoned for life.

This does not apply to those who rely on financial support from a prostitute who is required by law or morality to provide it.

3. The Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act:

This Act criminalizes all forms of human trafficking, including sex trafficking which involves the recruitment, transfer, and exploitation of individuals for the purpose of forced prostitution. The Act also imposes severe penalties on those who assist and patronize the traffickers.

Fines and Penalties.

To demonstrate what is prohibited and what is not and the consequences that come from infractions, below are two of the many laws stated in the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

Section 6: Anyone who associates with another person in a prostitution establishment for the purpose of prostitution will be imprisoned for up to 1 month and fined no more than 1,000 THB. Penalties increase after repeated offenses, and deportation and blacklisting from Thailand are also possible. Furthermore, should the solicitation violate other laws and codes, as detailed below, the penalties can accumulate.

Section 8: Anyone who has sexual intercourse with or acts otherwise against a person over the age of 15 but under 18 in a prostitution establishment, with or without their consent, will be imprisoned for up to 3 years and fined between 20,000 to 60,000 THB. However, if it's sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15), the offender will be imprisoned for 2 to 6 years and fined between 40,000 to 120,000 THB.

Below are a few of the laws taken from the Penal Code:

Section 277: Sexual intercourse with a minor (under the age of 15) who is neither the wife nor the husband will result in imprisonment for 4 to 20 years.

Section 279: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and face a fine of 20,000 THB. If the act of indecency was committed through threat, violence, or fraud, the offender will be imprisoned for up to 15 years and fined no more than 30,000 THB.

Section 280: Anyone who commits an act of indecency to a minor (under the age of 15) and causes bodily harm will be imprisoned for 5 to 20 years and fined between 10,000 to 40,000 THB. If this results in the death of the minor, the offender will receive a death sentence or lifetime imprisonment.

Section 282: Anyone who procures, seduces, or takes a male or female in order to gratify the sexual desire of a third party without their consent will be imprisoned for up to 10 years and fined up to 2,000 to 20,000 THB. If that person is over the age of 15 but under 18, then the offender will be imprisoned for 3 to 15 years and fined between 6,000 to 30,000 THB.

Pay close attention to number 1 and section 6 and section 8.

Now this is the Pattaya section so I hope this puts this issue to rest and we can move on.You have posted this before, several of us have read it, all of it, and we have yet to see the part that says the act of exchanging sex for money between or among consenting adults is illegal. And you have yet to highlight or quote the specific passage that states the act of exchanging sex for money between or among consenting adults is illegal. We're not talking about this idea of publicly and openly soliciting it, forcing someone into doing it or procuring someone to do it for somene else. Or anyone other than consenting adults.

We're talking about consenting adults discretely discussing it, deciding to do it and going to a private room to do it.

That specific "Act of Prostitution" is simply not addressed in your list. Yet, it would be blissfully simple to find and post the words that say so.

Here is another place where those clear and simple words are never stated. You'll want to check out every section and word in Title IX:

Criminal Law in Thailand

https://www.thailandlawonline.com/table-of-contents/criminal-law-translation-thailand-penal-code

Again, if you find a statement anywhere in Title IX or elsewhere in that link that clearly states that the specific act of exchanging sex for money between or among consenting adults is illegal, please cite that section number and quote it exactly.

The same as in the list you posted, I have carefully read Title IX several times by now and the statement I am looking for is simply not there.

In fact, the entirety of The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, The Penal Code Amendment Act and The Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act as shown in your list would scarcely be needed if elsewhere in your list, the Thai Penal Code or in the Criminal Law of Thailand link it simply said "Exchanging Sex For Money Is Illegal In Thailand. " But it doesn't.

There would then be no need to clarify or parse words about "public places and brothels. " Why no mention of hotel rooms, apartments, condos and houses? How about using the word "anywhere"?

The bit about anyone "subsisting on the earnings of a prostitute" or anything about "the recruitment, transfer, and exploitation of individuals for the purpose of forced prostitution" are addendum to the idea that have been in The Thai Penal Code for years. But none of that makes an otherwise unmentioned act of prostitution between or among consenting adults more illegal.

[Philip Marlow]

Maybe Rocko20 cant but I can. You are wrong Philip Marlow. I frequently am, but not here. If you can cite something that states that it is illegal in the Kingdom for me to approach a woman and offer money for sex, and / or to consummate the act for pay, I would appreciate it. Because nothing you wrote comes close to stating that.

Even this summary doesn't say it.




1. The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels....

Nothing about prostitution in my condo, for example. Or the lady's apartment. Why does the law (purportedly, it's been years since I read it) mention specific places? If the law doesn't specifically say something is illegal then it isn't.

This is from the revised statutes from my state in the US- "A person commits the offense of prostitution if the person engages in, or agrees or offers to engage in, sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee or anything of value. ".

Nothing you've cited even approaches such language. Because it doesn't exist.

[Explorer8939]

$300. A night?

I'm staying at View Talay 6 this March for a week and am paying $61. Per night including fees and taxes for a high up room facing the beach to the south. Booked via Dancewatchers.Much cheaper to come to Pattaya in March than the peak of High Season. Even better to come in May, when the last tourists leave Pattaya, and the ladies are still in the bars, but will soon be heading home due to lack of customers.

[Turgid]

I look at the lady drink as an interview for the job of boom boom. I don't particularly enjoy chatting with her, but it often helps in selecting the right lady. Sometimes I buy zero drinks (the Mr. E approach). Typically I buy 1 drink before I either accept or reject her. Rarely I buy 2 drinks for a single lady. Perhaps I bought 3 drinks in 2017. I've never bought 4 or more drinks for a lady. Reports of 10+ drinks seem crazy to me.It all boils down to the fact that gents are different. I could never sit with a girl for a few seconds and make the determination that she would provide good service. I could sit with her for a few seconds and decide right away that I am not interested in which case I would not buy a drink. However, if I have not so decided I would need a little more time and would not be comfortable sitting and chatting with the prospect in the proprietor's establishment without buying a drink. One drink is usually my maximum, rarely do I buy more.

[LittleBigMan]

Bottom line: Chinese New Year has no impact on mongering.I do not disagree with this point but reading his remark that isn't how I perceive his comment!

" Basically no one celebrate CYN except Chinese ".

Taking that comment I responded with my experience and that experience found it to be totally untrue! If I said or implied it affects Mongering I would gladly apologies but until I have evidence I did I hold form to my view.

[EverythingThai]

I frequently am, but not here. If you can cite something that states that it is illegal in the Kingdom for me to approach a woman and offer money for sex, and / or to consummate the act for pay, I would appreciate it. Because nothing you wrote comes close to stating that.

Even this summary doesn't say it.

Nothing about prostitution in my condo, for example. Or the lady's apartment. Why does the law (purportedly, it's been years since I read it) mention specific places? If the law doesn't specifically say something is illegal then it isn't.

This is from the revised statutes from my state in the US- "A person commits the offense of prostitution if the person engages in, or agrees or offers to engage in, sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee or anything of value. ".

Nothing you've cited even approaches such language. Because it doesn't exist.The summary does not show every law. I posted the link to the law for a reason. I guess you were too lazy to look. I work in the legal profession in Thailand so I know and you don't know.

Here are all the laws form the act related to this. Further, this a bad translation. The Thai version is much clearer and leaves no room for doubt that prostitution is illegal in Thailand.

Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, Introduces herself or himself to, follows or implores a person in a street or a public place, or commits such acts in any other place, in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht.

Section 6. Any person who assembles in a prostitution establishment for the benefit of prostituting himself or herself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht or both. If the offense under paragraph one is committed while being forced or being under such power which cannot be avoided or resisted, the offender is not guilty.

Section 7. Any person who advertises or agrees to advertise, induces or introduces by means of documents, printed materials, or distribute by any means to the public in a manner indicative of importunity or solicitation for the prostitution of himself, herself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of six months to two years or to a fine of ten thousand baht to forty thousand baht or to both.

Section 9. Any person who PROCURES, seduces or takes any person to commit prostitution, even with his or her consent and irrespective of whether the various acts which constitute such an offense are committed within or outside the Kingdom, shall be liable to Imprisonment for a term of one to ten years and to a fine of twenty thousand to two hundred thousand baht. If the offense under paragraph one is committed against a person over fifteen, but not over eighteen years of age, the offender shall be liable to imprisonment of five to fifteen years and to a fine of one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand baht.

This covers public places, private places and bars and massage shops and so on. Section 7 would apply to Thai friendly as well, such as when the ladies write ST 1500 for example. Section 5 mentions or any other place so that would even include your home or condo. Section 9 is the blanket clause that puts the nail in there coffin for you. Procure means "buy".



You don't know so don't say. Read

This should close the topic now. Prostitution, while illegal in Thailand is tolerated until there is a reason to enforce the laws. End of story.

[BionicMan]

I frequently am, but not here. If you can cite something that states that it is illegal in the Kingdom for me to approach a woman and offer money for sex, and / or to consummate the act for pay, I would appreciate it. Because nothing you wrote comes close to stating that.

Even this summary doesn't say it.

Nothing about prostitution in my condo, for example. Or the lady's apartment. Why does the law (purportedly, it's been years since I read it) mention specific places? If the law doesn't specifically say something is illegal then it isn't.

This is from the revised statutes from my state in the US- "A person commits the offense of prostitution if the person engages in, or agrees or offers to engage in, sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee or anything of value. ".

Nothing you've cited even approaches such language. Because it doesn't exist.Take for example Dubai and Bahrein, two well known "mongering destinations " in the Gulf. Are you telling us that prostitution is not illegal there because there's no enforcement to stop all what is well known? Countries where, in principle, it is not accepted to show "love and affection in public'?

[EihTooms]

I frequently am, but not here. If you can cite something that states that it is illegal in the Kingdom for me to approach a woman and offer money for sex, and / or to consummate the act for pay, I would appreciate it. Because nothing you wrote comes close to stating that.

Even this summary doesn't say it.

Nothing about prostitution in my condo, for example. Or the lady's apartment. Why does the law (purportedly, it's been years since I read it) mention specific places? If the law doesn't specifically say something is illegal then it isn't.

This is from the revised statutes from my state in the US- "A person commits the offense of prostitution if the person engages in, or agrees or offers to engage in, sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee or anything of value. ".

Nothing you've cited even approaches such language. Because it doesn't exist.All that stuff about "procuring / pursuading, taking, etc", "in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public", "in a place of prostitution" and "associates with" doesn't cut it and can not even be proven.

Ok, if I walk up to any woman on the street, in a mall or in the cinema and ask her to come to my room to fuck for 1,000 baht or 10,000 baht, I could see that a nurse, school teacher, secretary, a judge or off-duty policeman or their girlfriend or wife who had no intention of ever engaging in prostitution and felt quite insulted by the question would, could and probably should lodge a complaint. So be careful about that. Wrong place, wrong time, wrong person.

Now, what if I ask her to come to my room to fuck with no mention of money at all? And if she says yes, after we fuck in my room I say, "Here's 2,000 baht to buy that purse I saw you checking out at the mall"? Or if that 2,000 baht topic came up as we entered my condo lobby before we fucked? Did anybody break the law here? Me, for making the offer, her, for saying "ok, thanks" or both if us? Imo, that is the round-about Thai way of saying just don't make it obvious to any bystanders, we are a holy kingdom.

They know such a legal concept can not be proven or enforced. There has never even been in the history of Thailand a "sting" operation complete with audio or video recording devices set up in order to bust someone for engaging in such a conversation and exchange. Nor has there been an idictment, trial and conviction for it for any political rival or national security threat personage for which the Kingdom would be motivated to bust and imprison for something, anything.

Are those Soi 6 bars now "places of prostitution and brothels"? I thought they were bars in the business of selling drinks, to party and meet new friends. Same with massage shops, gentleman's clubs and my hotel room. If the law defines and identifies those as "places of prostitution", they are going to have to explain why they were even open for business in order for people to "associate" with each other in them, whatever that means.

If there is a place of business that provides a line up of girls or boys, presents a menu of specific sex acts with a price next to each item and provides no other service such as massage, resting and relaxing, having a drink, karaoke singing or partying, then the cops might have a shot at rounding up everyone "associating" with people there and I might avoid entering it myself I suppose.

My hotel room or condo? She didn't "procure / pursuade or take" me anywhere to have sex for money nor vice versa. I wanted to show her the lovely etching in my room. Again, anything more than that is unprovable and unenforceable.

These Codes and Addendums are written in the typically Thai fashion where they hope it "looks" to someone not particularly detail-oriented that they are saying "Prostitution, the exchange of sex for money, between or among consenting adults, is illegal" when it really doesn't say any such thing and would take less than 10 clear and unambiguous words to say so.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

No, it isn't. Actively profiting from someone else's prostitution is illegal, that's why there's so many loopholes. But the act of buying / selling sex itself is totally legal.

Because they fit the beauty standard far better, because they are culturally way more popular at the moment and because they are far less demanding and aggressive in the bedroom. They're fine with a few minutes of sex a lot of the time and don't watch the clock. Most westerners want to get every last bit of value out of the experience and make the women suck their dick or bend over for lengthy periods of time. Westerners being penny pinchers plays somewhat of a part, but it's a bit of an exaggeration to attribute all of that to someone buying a drink more at the bar.Finally someone else with a brain on here. Thanks for the input.

[EihTooms]

The summary does not show every law. I posted the link to the law for a reason. I guess you were too lazy to look. I work in the legal profession in Thailand so I know and you don't know.

Here are all the laws form the act related to this. Further, this a bad translation. The Thai version is much clearer and leaves no room for doubt that prostitution is illegal in Thailand.

Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, Introduces herself or himself to, follows or implores a person in a street or a public place, or commits such acts in any other place, in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht.

Section 6. Any person who assembles in a prostitution establishment for the benefit of prostituting himself or herself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one month or to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht or both. If the offense under paragraph one is committed while being forced or being under such power which cannot be avoided or resisted, the offender is not guilty.

Section 7. Any person who advertises or agrees to advertise, induces or introduces by means of documents, printed materials, or distribute by any means to the public in a manner indicative of importunity or solicitation for the prostitution of himself, herself or another person shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of six months to two years or to a fine of ten thousand baht to forty thousand baht or to both.

Section 9. Any person who PROCURES, seduces or takes any person to commit prostitution, even with his or her consent and irrespective of whether the various acts which constitute such an offense are committed within or outside the Kingdom, shall be liable to Imprisonment for a term of one to ten years and to a fine of twenty thousand to two hundred thousand baht. If the offense under paragraph one is committed against a person over fifteen, but not over eighteen years of age, the offender shall be liable to imprisonment of five to fifteen years and to a fine of one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand baht.

This covers public places, private places and bars and massage shops and so on. Section 7 would apply to Thai friendly as well, such as when the ladies write ST 1500 for example. Section 5 mentions or any other place so that would even include your home or condo. Section 9 is the blanket clause that puts the nail in there coffin for you. Procure means "buy".



You don't know so don't say. Read

This should close the topic now. Prostitution, while illegal in Thailand is tolerated until there is a reason to enforce the laws. End of story.


Here are all the laws form the act related to this. Further, this a bad translation. The Thai version is much clearer and leaves no room for doubt that prostitution is illegal in Thailand.

Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, Introduces herself or himself to, follows or implores a person in a street or a public place, or commits such acts in any other place, in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht.The qualifier I highlighted has been on the books, well-inderstood and occasionally enforced for years. But it still doesn't say the act of exchanging sex for money between consenting adults is illegal.


Section 9. Any person who PROCURES, seduces or takes any person to commit prostitution, even with his or her consent and irrespective of whether the various acts which constitute such an offense are committed within or outside the Kingdom, shall be liable to Imprisonment for a term of one to ten years and to a fine of twenty thousand to two hundred thousand baht. If the offense under paragraph one is committed against a person over fifteen, but not over eighteen years of age, the offender shall be liable to imprisonment of five to fifteen years and to a fine of one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand baht."PROCURES, seduces or takes", "within or outside the Kingdom" indicates that Section is clearly talking about pimps or mamasans recruiting girls to work as prostitutes somewhere, anywhere, in or outside of Thailand.

You can't really be saying that Section is referring to a customer and a working girl or boy agreeing lo have sex in a hotel room or condo. If so, then why did they mysteriously drop the word "solicits" in that Section, which would have eliminated the need to say anything about procuring, seducing or taking? I submit because they are talking about Recruiters, not customers. The words they use are speficially what Recruiters do when they have no intention of engaging in the exchange of sex for money with anyone, just intending to Recruit new girls.

In all your years purportedly involved in the legal profession in Thailand have you ever met someone who was busted for doing what I described between an ordinary customer and a prostitute and spent so much as a day in prison for it, much less a year? Have you even met someone who met someone who did such a thing?

[Philip Marlow]

The summary does not show every law. I posted the link to the law for a reason. I guess you were too lazy to look. I work in the legal profession in Thailand so I know and you don't know.

Here are all the laws form the act related to this. Further, this a bad translation. The Thai version is much clearer and leaves no room for doubt that prostitution is illegal in Thailand.

Section 5. Any person who, for the purpose of prostitution, solicits, induces, Introduces herself or himself to, follows or implores a person in a street or a public place, or commits such acts in any other place, in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public, shall be liable to a fine not exceeding one thousand baht.

You don't know so don't say. Read

This should close the topic now. Prostitution, while illegal in Thailand is tolerated until there is a reason to enforce the laws. End of story.One would think a summary would quote relevant sections, except if there are no relevant sections to quote. Then, in order to hide the fact that there are none, include as much irrelevant information as possible. Minors, third parties, public places??

And you're doing it again. I can read well, so I'm not overwhelmed by the number of words you included, irrelevant though they are. The only thing you've included that comes close is Section 5. And that has a purposeful out. If those things are done- "in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public. " Sorry, your dramatic "nail in the coffin" flopped.

You work in the legal profession. (I have no idea why that is relevant.) Why are there qualifiers in that section?

Why include Section 6? Who's asking about about establishments?

Why include Section 7? Advertisements?

Why section 9? Pimping?

It's simple. The question is- Is it illegal in Thailand for me to ask a woman in my condo if she will have sex with me in exchange for money, and consummate the act? I. e. , prostitution. In my state, it is clearly against the law. No ambiguity, no irrelevancy.

Either show me where in Thai law is says that it is, or stop.

Ok, the translation is bad. Please show the Thai version and I will get it translated. Because nothing here comes close to making your point.

[Philip Marlow]

Take for example Dubai and Bahrein, two well known "mongering destinations " in the Gulf. Are you telling us that prostitution is not illegal there because there's no enforcement to stop all what is well known? Countries where, in principle, it is not accepted to show "love and affection in public'?I didn't say anything about enforcement. The question is- Is prostitution illegal in Thailand? Whether a law is enforced or not doesn't change its legality.

[Mr Enternational]

I didn't say anything about enforcement. The question is- Is prostitution illegal in Thailand? Whether a law is enforced or not doesn't change its legality.Well we know it is not legal to offer it online.

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[EihTooms]

One would think a summary would quote relevant sections, except if there are no relevant sections to quote. Then, in order to hide the fact that there are none, include as much irrelevant information as possible. Minors, third parties, public places??

And you're doing it again. I can read well, so I'm not overwhelmed by the number of words you included, irrelevant though they are. The only thing you've included that comes close is Section 5. And that has a purposeful out. If those things are done- "in an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public. " Sorry, your dramatic "nail in the coffin" flopped.

You work in the legal profession. (I have no idea why that is relevant.) Why are there qualifiers in that section?

Why include Section 6? Who's asking about about establishments?

Why include Section 7? Advertisements?

Why section 9? Pimping?

It's simple. The question is- Is it illegal in Thailand for me to ask a woman in my condo if she will have sex with me in exchange for money, and consummate the act? I. e. , prostitution. In my state, it is clearly against the law. No ambiguity, no irrelevancy.

Either show me where in Thai law is says that it is, or stop.

Ok, the translation is bad. Please show the Thai version and I will get it translated. Because nothing here comes close to making your point.I just wanted to mention here that I have also been making these same points and raising the same questions but since my post submissions are held for quite some time for moderation they have not been posted yet even though I submitted them before yours and others' showed up here.

Just my apology in advance for what might seem like an annoying repetition of what you and perhaps others are submitting and getting posted way sooner than my submissions are getting posted. If they get posted at all, that is.

And I suspect now that these holes in the argument are being laid bare by so many and so effectively, "somebody" will request all of it be moved to another forum, where very few here will ever see them. As happened before.

[Expat American]

Y
You are wrong. Prostitution is clearly illegal as well as profiting from it. My colleagues at Siam legal summarize it very nicely here. If you don't know, don't say. The reason you think it's legal is because it is not enforced in many situations, but the laws are clear. Prostitution is illegal in Pattaya and everywhere in Thailand.

Please read.

Prostitution is illegal in Thailand but obviously a big driver of tourism. I don't see what the average punter does as risky from that perspective. However Farang bar owners and managers are probably putting themselves in significant legal risk or at the very least subject themselves to major shakedowns. Why any farang would do that and risk being put in a Thai jail is beyond me. On top of that some of them even have You Tube channels promoting their illegal businesses which seems to be the height of recklessness. It all works until one day the government changes, the US puts some pressure or other reason and it all crumbles.

[Errol Flynn]

Based on recommendations from the Board I tried to book Mike's Taxi to get me from BKK to Pattaya. I filled out their online booking and added all the details and contact info and heard nothing back. The morning I was leaving MNL I wrote again and begged for a response (I was arriving BKK in the evening). Crickets. Perhaps I booked too late and they were full, but in that business they really need to get back to the customer and let them know that.

There was no time to prebook anyone else so I figured I'd take Grab or Bolt. I've used Grab extensively in. The PI (never a problem) but was new to Bolt. I read that it's more popular in Thailand so when I saw a good price I booked it. (1046 baht). On his way to me the "driver" texted me that the tolls are additional, I said "okay, but I only have big bills". (I now believe it was a Manager texting me). Guy arrives and he knows my name and hotel sio my bags go in. The back and I am in. The car when he tells me I need to Cancel the ride in the App and pay cash. I didn't like that, but asked "hoe much?" he said 1400 baht. I showed him. The Bolt page that clearly said 1046 baht. So he called his manager who texted me that it is cash only and I need to cancel the ride. I texted back that that was unacceptable. After some back and forth in Thai the driver says "1200 baht, okay? I say that includes tolls?" he says yes, and realizing I don't want to get my bags out and start this all over I agree. (It's not a terrible price, but it's not the deal I made.). We take off at high speed, hen I get a message from Bolt that "The Driver has cancelled your ride because he couldn't locate you. " That's when I realize that I'm off the grid as far as Bolt is concerned. They have wiped my ride off their App like it never happened, yet I'm in the car. - he could take me anywhere. I start tracking on Google Maps and we are going the right way, but the driver is driving like a maniac and vaping which adds a film noir quality to my first view of nighttime Thailand. Not a pleasant start. Funny thing is when I was paying the guy at my hotel (I waited until I was out of the car in the light with the bellman there) I double checked with the driver that he had change for my second 1000 baht note. He took great offense. "Thai honest people. Thai no lie. " Hunh? You just scammed me.

Welcome to Thailand;.

[Mr Enternational]

I double checked with the driver that he had change for my second 1000 baht note. He took great offense. "Thai honest people. Thai no lie. " Hunh? You just scammed me.

Welcome to Thailand;.He didn't really scam you. The app said 1046. Tolls are 105, for a total of 1151 You paid 1200. A lot of people contact those services like Mikes Taxi and pay 1500 up to 2000. My girlfriend charges 1800 for that ride because her truck uses diesel instead of the cheaper natural gas other vehicles use.

[EihTooms]

Well we know it is not legal to offer it online.

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The operation was initiated following information that Mr John (not his real name) was using a public website to advertise illicit services. Acting on this intelligence, detectives crafted a plan using an undercover operative.Was he busted for "engaging in" illicit services, as in Sex in Exchange For Money? The report does not say so. It says he was "advertizing" illicit services. Perhaps not even involving himself. I would even say probably not involving himself.

Nobody here has been arguing that it is legal to "advertize" for Sex For Pay services. Instead, we have all been in agreement that the Thai Penal Code and all Addendums have been quite clear about that kind of thing being illegal.

[BionicMan]

Based on recommendations from the Board I tried to book Mike's Taxi to get me from BKK to Pattaya. I filled out their online booking and added all the details and contact info and heard nothing back. The morning I was leaving MNL I wrote again and begged for a response (I was arriving BKK in the evening). Crickets. Perhaps I booked too late and they were full, but in that business they really need to get back to the customer and let them know that.


They have wiped my ride off their App like it never happened, yet I'm in the car. - he could take me anywhere. I start tracking on Google Maps and we are He took great offense. "Thai honest people. Thai no lie. " Hunh? You just scammed me.

Welcome to Thailand;.
The lesson out of this is you should have cross checked with a Mike taxi about your booking. I use Nam Taxi services, book weeks ahead, get a confirmation straight back and 24 hrs prior the ride they send me a reconfirmarion, name, photo and phone no, of the driver as well as photo of the car with visible number plate. Once in my departure airport I send a WA to the driver with a selfie of myself so they see what shirt I wear on arrival.
PS I hope you reported to Bolt what happened.

Smooth as silk.

[BionicMan]

I didn't say anything about enforcement. The question is- Is prostitution illegal in Thailand? Whether a law is enforced or not doesn't change its legality.From time to time, MIB takes rides in town to check what happens in bar and streets and the proud report is "we didn't find any sign of prostitution".

Why do they announce that if it is not illegal? No LE will make pride of checks about non illegal activities. Driving through red traffic lights is illegal, so police will give stats about the fins on that offence. Not that they checked people driving through green lights.

Why from time to time they arrest ladies and Lb's charging them for. Prostitution?

[EihTooms]

From time to time, MIB takes rides in town to check what happens in bar and streets and the proud report is "we didn't find any sign of prostitution".

Why do they announce that if it is not illegal? No LE will make pride of checks about non illegal activities. Driving through red traffic lights is illegal, so police will give stats about the fins on that offence. Not that they checked people driving through green lights.

Why from time to time they arrest ladies and Lb's charging them for. Prostitution?When they say, " We didn't find any sign of prostitution" or "We didn't find any evidence of prostitution" they mean exactly those words. They are indeed looking for "signs" or "evidence" of prostitution. Because there are specific, clear and unambiguous laws against producing public signs and evidence of Sex For Sale publicly, openly and shamefully.

They don't give a damn if every consenting adult man and woman on the soi, employed in a bar or not, has or will within 15 minutes actually engage in an act of sex for money behind closed doors. Because there is literally no law against that.

However, producing "signs" or "evidence" of it being made availble as though it is a legimate commercial enterprise will tarnish the image of the Kingdom or in some way create a public nuisance for nearby businesses and by-passers.

There is literally no law specifically forbidding consenting adults from discretely exchanging sex for money. However, there ARE laws specifically forbidding advertising, flaunting or engaging in it publicly, openly and shamefully.

Where have you read reports of LB and female Freelancers being arrested and charged with the crime of prostitution?

As Mr. Enternational mentioned in a previous post, those sweeps are usually for loitering, creating a public nuisance and so on, not for being prostitutes or for having engaged in prostitution. Again, the specific words and details of these incidents and cases matter.

He also mentioned prostitutes can and sometimes will go the the cops to complain about being ripped off by a customer who got the service and refused to pay, whereupon presumably the cops will go with her back to wherever the customer can be found, probably his hotel room, and get it all worked out. Hardly the thing a cop would do if what she had engaged in was illegal. And I doubt all those cops are on some Freelancer network payroll for just such an occasion.

Full disclosure, I have not personally known any prostitute who has ever done that. But I have heard of it happening from expats in addition to Mr. Enternational.

[Philip Marlow]

From time to time, MIB takes rides in town to check what happens in bar and streets and the proud report is "we didn't find any sign of prostitution".

Why do they announce that if it is not illegal? No LE will make pride of checks about non illegal activities. Driving through red traffic lights is illegal, so police will give stats about the fins on that offence. Not that they checked people driving through green lights.

Why from time to time they arrest ladies and Lb's charging them for. Prostitution?There are many things linked to prostitution in Thailand that are illegal, including in certain cases, the act itself. As shown in ETs posts on this, pimping in illegal. (Section 9 below) Soliciting prostitution is illegal, IF it is done in "an an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public. " (Section 5).

Advertising it is illegal. Certain acts in prostitution establishments are illegal. And on and on.

Those are things the police are looking for. The arrests are, presumably, for violations of these sections.

This is not what the discussion is about. Many people like to parrot other people, who themselves are wrong. They're not interested in whether or not what they say is actually true. Everyone who makes the blanket statement that prostitution is illegal in Thailand is wrong.

If prostitution itself was illegal, the law would just say that, as the law in my home state does.

The following is the Thai law regarding murder:

TITLE X.

OFFENCE AGAINST LIFE AND BODY.

Details.

Chapter 1: Offence Causing Death.

Section 288. Murder.

Whoever, murdering the other person, shall be imprisoned by death or imprisoned as from fifteen years to twenty years.

That's it. Is the act of murder illegal in the Kingdom? Yes it is. See Title X, Chapter 1, Section 288. Now somewhere in the penal code murder will be defined, but notice there are no qualifiers, nothing about- only if done in a certain manner in a certain place, committed upon a person of a certain age, etc.

Is the act of prostitution illegal in the Kingdom? Show me the statute that declares it is.

[Mr Enternational]

Everyone who makes the blanket statement that prostitution is illegal in Thailand is wrong.

If prostitution itself was illegal, the law would just say that, as the law in my home state does.Except that this is Thailand. How is one supposed to procure a legal prostitute if every avenue to obtain one seems to be illegal?

[EihTooms]

There are many things linked to prostitution in Thailand that are illegal, including in certain cases, the act itself. As shown in ETs posts on this, pimping in illegal. (Section 9 below) Soliciting prostitution is illegal, IF it is done in "an an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public. " (Section 5).

Advertising it is illegal. Certain acts in prostitution establishments are illegal. And on and on.

Those are things the police are looking for. The arrests are, presumably, for violations of these sections.

This is not what the discussion is about. Many people like to parrot other people, who themselves are wrong. They're not interested in whether or not what they say is actually true. Everyone who makes the blanket statement that prostitution is illegal in Thailand is wrong.

If prostitution itself was illegal, the law would just say that, as the law in my home state does.

The following is the Thai law regarding murder:

TITLE X.

OFFENCE AGAINST LIFE AND BODY.

Details.

Chapter 1: Offence Causing Death.

Section 288. Murder.

Whoever, murdering the other person, shall be imprisoned by death or imprisoned as from fifteen years to twenty years.

That's it. Is the act of murder illegal in the Kingdom? Yes it is. See Title X, Chapter 1, Section 288. Now somewhere in the penal code murder will be defined, but notice there are no qualifiers, nothing about- only if done in a certain manner in a certain place, committed upon a person of a certain age, etc.

Is the act of prostitution illegal in the Kingdom? Show me the statute that declares it is.Sometimes I will hear or read something on the order of, "I have a friend who is a cop and he says blah blah blah" about prostitution or whatever.

Well, let me tell you that I have an in-law who is a Thai cop, I might have personally interacted with more different Thai police and Men In Btown than most westerners over the years and the fact is they are not always the sharpest knife in the drawer even about the law.

One example; I ride an electric bicycle around town that looks a bit like a real motor scooter but on the slightest closer inspection is clearly a bicycle and not a motorcycle. It has bicycle pedals. It would be closer to a circus clown small size motorcycle than a real one. Any policeman or MIB should be able to tell the difference between what I am driving and a full size motorcycle within 5 seconds of moderate inspection.

Yet I have been pulled over or stopped on the sidewalk while walking that bike at least 10 times by either 1 or more policeman or 1 or more MIB requesting to see my motorcycle drivers license, my registration, asking where is my helmet, etc, none of which is required to ride a bicycle, electric or not, in Thailand.

You might suspect they are just hassling me as a westerner, trying to shake me down for a payoff or "out of court" settlement. But all I can say is it never really goes there and it has happened even when I have had a Thai girlfriend passenger with me, a situation I have to think is not the best for them to assume I will just hand them 2,000 baht to let me go on my way.

The interaction has never escalated to that point and I have never paid anyone so much as a baht to get "early release". But it often did take several minutes for me to explain to these police agents and traffic rule enforcers the difference between a bicycle and a motorcycle, why this vehicle has bicycle pedals, how many Watts of power Thai law uses to determine whether the two-wheel vehicle must be regarded as a motorcycle and therefore the driver must obey all license, registration and helmet requirements for a motorcycle (500 Watts, BTW), etc.

I would think with as many electric bicycles and electric full size motorcycles as these folks are seeing and encountering in their job over the past few years that they would know these things by now.

But no.

Most of the time they have to look it up on their government-issued smartphone or tablet to discover I am telling them the truth and something they never knew before. They just saw a two-wheeled motor-powered vehicle and thought, "motorcycle. " Beyond that they hadn't given it much thought.

And even after they looked it up they would call over a supervisor to verify what they just read in their online handbook, perhaps for the first time really paying attention to the exact words, was true.

So just because a cop says something like "prostitution is illegal in Thailand" because he remembers reading the part in the Code about how many years someone might spend in prison for doing it with a minor or he recalls that Royal Edict from a few years ago that mentioned something about "procuring" and "taking" a girl from her province to work as a prostitute somewhere in or outside of Thailand or because his buddies are always looking for open and shameful "evidence" of it in public places, that does not mean he has ever fully understood why neither he nor any of his buddies has ever been assigned to knock on hotel and apartment doors to interrogate 30 year old suspected hookers and their 60 year old suspected customers about whether or not any money was exchanged for the fucking they just did or are about to do.

Sure, maybe a passage from the Thai Penal Code or another officially enforceable addendum to it will eventually show up with the exact words necessary to make it illegal at all times anywhere in the Kingfom and with anyone no matter how discretely it has been agreed to and engaged in. Anything is possible in Thailand. But those exact words are going to shake the fabric of life in Thailand for all but the monks and probably for a few of them as well. And I have not yet seen them.

[Philip Marlow]

I just wanted to mention here that I have also been making these same points and raising the same questions but since my post submissions are held for quite some time for moderation they have not been posted yet even though I submitted them before yours and others' showed up here.

Just my apology in advance for what might seem like an annoying repetition of what you and perhaps others are submitting and getting posted way sooner than my submissions are getting posted. If they get posted at all, that is.

And I suspect now that these holes in the argument are being laid bare by so many and so effectively, "somebody" will request all of it be moved to another forum, where very few here will ever see them. As happened before.Weird, I just saw your posts. You make some very good points. But as far as the argument are being laid bare by so many and so effectively, I don't think that will sway too many others. Some are, without any evidence, convinced it's illegal, and nothing will change their minds. No big deal, it's really only an academic argument anyway.

[EihTooms]

Except that this is Thailand. How is one supposed to procure a legal prostitute if every avenue to obtain one seems to be illegal?Based on what we have read here so far just avoid going into a shop or club that presents absolutely zero deniable pretense that it exists for any purpose other than to provide Sex In Exchange For Money. You know, big sign outside saying something like "Fucks and Blowjobs For Sale Here. Please Step Inside", there are no drinks or snacks to buy, not so much as a neck massage on the menu, no flat-screen tvs with sports events playing, no place to sit and relax, only cots in curtained cubicles. That kind of place.

Now, you might be skirting the written law more than most with your method of barely entering a Soi 6 or Walking Street Bar to buy a drink or anything else, massage shop, Beach Road and so on and simply stand outside on the actual soi to choose a girl to have sex for money. Depending on how loud your voices are when you ask and if or when she counters with her first quote. Just keep your voice down when you ask and "shush" her if she loudly shouts back a number from now on. Hehe.

[Philip Marlow]

Except that this is Thailand. How is one supposed to procure a legal prostitute if every avenue to obtain one seems to be illegal?Easy. In a non-prostitution place, ask a lady if she's a WG. Don't do it both openly and shamelessly, (per basic legal construction, you can do it either openly or shamelessly, but not both) and don't create a nuisance to the public (Section 5 of the act) and you're good to go. If she is, start the negotiations.

There are other ways, actually quite a few other ways I'll bet, but that's one.

Actually, the law has even more outs for punters. The definition of prostitution includes the clause that the act has to be done in a "promiscuous manner. " It doesn't define promiscuous, but it's a requirement, and if it's not done that way, it's not legally prostitution.

As you said, and as Bernard Trink used to write, TIT.

[Errol Flynn]

He didn't really scam you. The app said 1046. Tolls are 105, for a total of 1151 You paid 1200. A lot of people contact those services like Mikes Taxi and pay 1500 up to 2000. My girlfriend charges 1800 for that ride because her truck uses diesel instead of the cheaper natural gas other vehicles use.I didn't say the fee was unreasonable (although Mike's quotes 1000 baht) but he still scammed me by taking me off of the App, refusing my Credit Card which was how I wished to pay for it, and originally trying to get 1400 out of me. I had to put up a stink. If that isn't a rip off scam I don 't know what is. I would have paid the tolls plus the 1046 baht, been happy, and probably tipped him, but others should be aware of this stunt. I choose rideshare so that I don't just get a random driver. Never had this happen on Grab, but maybe it would in BKK, I don't know.

[SubCmdr]

The transportation company that I use charges 1600 THB for the Pattaya to BKK trip. The are consistent. The owner sends me the information on the driver and the vehicle before they arrive. My personal safety is worth WAY more than a 200 - 500 THB difference. Goes back to what I have to say about the financial situation of many of the International Tricks posting up in here. Especially the ones that have something to say about how I spend my money.


As for 35,000 baht night at the bar, that's what I remember you posting.Not even close to what I have ever spent in a bar.

[TravelingMan3]

So I was out last night with friends and there friends and it was interesting first stop was Queens they like it but barked when I told them the bar fine is 3000 because it's a Saturday. So then we went to Soi pothole because one of the guys has a "friend" that works there. We went to a bar or a gentleman's club with XOXO on it I tried googling it but it didn't come up. It's new and I'd been there once before and quickly left. What happened in this bar is why everything is ymmv in terms on the quality of chicks that available in any given place. What I mean is 3 of the four guys I was with were just fawning over a chick that I thought was in her fifties turn out she was 44 but I thought she was lying. She had an old face and no ass just horrible looking.

The final stop was Kink I reluctantly came along as I don't like Kink or windmill I think there lame and the chicks are ugly. The one good thing going for the place is the barfine is only 1000 baht and my buddies got quotes of 2 and 3 k st respectively.

[EihTooms]

There are many things linked to prostitution in Thailand that are illegal, including in certain cases, the act itself. As shown in ETs posts on this, pimping in illegal. (Section 9 below) Soliciting prostitution is illegal, IF it is done in "an an open and shameful manner or causes nuisance to the public. " (Section 5).

Advertising it is illegal. Certain acts in prostitution establishments are illegal. And on and on.

Those are things the police are looking for. The arrests are, presumably, for violations of these sections.

This is not what the discussion is about. Many people like to parrot other people, who themselves are wrong. They're not interested in whether or not what they say is actually true. Everyone who makes the blanket statement that prostitution is illegal in Thailand is wrong.

If prostitution itself was illegal, the law would just say that, as the law in my home state does.

The following is the Thai law regarding murder:

TITLE X.

OFFENCE AGAINST LIFE AND BODY.

Details.

Chapter 1: Offence Causing Death.

Section 288. Murder.

Whoever, murdering the other person, shall be imprisoned by death or imprisoned as from fifteen years to twenty years.

That's it. Is the act of murder illegal in the Kingdom? Yes it is. See Title X, Chapter 1, Section 288. Now somewhere in the penal code murder will be defined, but notice there are no qualifiers, nothing about- only if done in a certain manner in a certain place, committed upon a person of a certain age, etc.

Is the act of prostitution illegal in the Kingdom? Show me the statute that declares it is.You mean I won't get 6 months added to my sentence and 5,000 baht added to my fine if I commit murder openly AND shamelessly on Soi 6 rather than discretely in the privacy of my hotel room or condo? Ha. Good to know.

On the long delayed posting of my message submissions on this site that you and I alluded to in previous posts, it turns out that when my submitted messages do eventually get posted there is an effort to place them in the thread chronologically according to the day, time or point in the thread where they were quoting someone. That is why you did not see a post of mine 1-2 pages back yesterday but it suddenly appeared 2-3 pages back today and you might not have known they had been posted at all.

And on the idea that these "legal vs illegal" discussions are only or mostly academic anyway, I tend to feel it is important to know either way. A punter who thinks what he is doing is illegal and putting him at risk of spending a year or more in a Thai prison is apt to pay and tip a lot more than necessary or perhaps ask for and expect less quality service and Value For Money just to keep in everyone's good graces and, in a worst case scenario, from allowing himself to be the target of a shake down and bribery. Over nothing.

Operating on the false assumption that the basic act without all the qualifiers in this hobby is illegal in Thailand when it is not can't be good for the punter or the market. And if it can be shown and proven that it is illegal then that is very important info to have as well.

That is regardless whether or not anyone cares or anyone's mind is changed based solely on the sentiment of the few who post vs the many who only lurk, read and learn.

[Rocko20]

Quick update from my trip.

Russian clip joints:

Decided to peak inside a few of them to see if anything has changed and they're just as worthless as they've always been. 500 baht for a beer, 1000 baht for a lady drink, 10,000 baht for a shower (no sex). Ugly strippers. Many of the "Russian" ladies begging for lady drinks are not even scantily clad or half naked, they're fully clothed so there is zero point to visit these scam joints.

Discos:

Panda: Loud as hell, not for the faint of heart, largely chinese only club but plenty of fair skinned freelance stunners if you can stomach the intense environment.

Republic: same as Panda, but a few more westerners. I saw several decent freelancers but was with a WG at the time. Cool enough to revisit.

Insomnia / Ibar: I could not find a damn thing in here. Nothing notable at all but I do like eating at The Diner.

808: Only worth it if you like fat chicks. I've been going to 808 daily on the off chance I see something good, but more times than not its not the case.

Beach road: I generally despise beach roach but I had some free time and found a decent freelancer. She wanted 1500ST, which I was fine with because she had some nice natural knockers. She said "condom everything" but was fine with a bareback blowjob.

Gogos:

I only went to shark yesterday, barfined a decent stunner for ST and ended up spending the rest of the night with her as a GFE. She told me she has to sell 6 drinks or pay the difference (she said its different for salary workers), said pre-covid the money was flowing, now post covid people don't spend money. She said Chinese people are mainly the ones still spending money in the WS go-gos, followed by Americans / Europeans in lower numbers. She said Indians do not spend money in WS gogos as well as local Thai men.

Soapy massages:

Decided not to go on this trip.

Dating apps / bumble / tinder:

Could not find anything I liked.

Indian clubs:

I counted atleast 6 of them on WS. Not worth it for mongering. Too many heavy makeup, middle aged, pushup bra, single mother, overcharging Thai WGs and Azerbaijan women. But good to visit if you want to see something new.

Overall its been a solid trip. I had some good bar girls as well as freelancers.

[Rocko20]

Can you cite anything that supports that statement?Yes, thai law:

"The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, established in 1996, explicitly forbids prostitution in public places and brothels. It introduces fines for providing sexual services, deeming prostitution illegal. Notably, penalties for sex workers are reduced, while those overseeing brothels face punishment. The Penal Code, while not explicitly labeling prostitution as illegal, does penalize those profiting from a prostitute's earnings. ".

https://www.siam-legal.com/thailand-law/is-prostitution-legal-in-thailand/

The difference is that its not enforced at all, or else every go-go bar, BJ bar, beer bar, LK metro, soi 6, soapy massage, etc would be shutdown tomorrow. The only thing left would be discos.

[EihTooms]

Yes, thai law:

"The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, established in 1996, explicitly forbids prostitution in public places and brothels. It introduces fines for providing sexual services, deeming prostitution illegal. Notably, penalties for sex workers are reduced, while those overseeing brothels face punishment. The Penal Code, while not explicitly labeling prostitution as illegal, does penalize those profiting from a prostitute's earnings. ".

https://www.siam-legal.com/thailand-law/is-prostitution-legal-in-thailand/

The difference is that its not enforced at all, or else every go-go bar, BJ bar, beer bar, LK metro, soi 6, soapy massage, etc would be shutdown tomorrow. The only thing left would be discos.That law firm link references The Prevention and Supression of Prostitution Act and "summarizes" it as in your quote. But, aside from the question of whether or not that Act is enforceable, we have seen the actual wording of the Act here and it does not specifically state what that law firm grandly announces that it states.

I can see that the 1996 Act was hoping to "Prevent" and "Supress" prostitution by largely re-stating an array of qualifiers that have been present in the Thai Penal Code for years and years. However, despite that law firm's claim, it does nothing to affirm or confirm that the act of exchanging sex for money among consenting adults without all those qualifiers present is "illegal" or "a crime".

I give them a dubious credit for trying though.

[Explorer8939]

Except that this is Thailand. How is one supposed to procure a legal prostitute if every avenue to obtain one seems to be illegal?There should be a topic called "Is Prostitution Legal in Thailand?" since this discussion happens every few months and serves to confuse everyone.

Bottom line: there is virtually zero chance of a monger being arrested for prostitution in Thailand. Or a lady.

[PassionSR]

Yes, thai law:
So no.

Nothing you cited specifically says that or implies it at all. There's pages worth of debunking exactly what you just said that supposedly ties prositution itself to being illegal. Just because pimping, trafficking and public disorder through indecency is illegal, does not mean prositution is illegal.

[Houston Player]

That law firm link references The Prevention and Supression of Prostitution Act and "summarizes" it as in your quote. But, aside from the question of whether or not that Act is enforceable, we have seen the actual wording of the Act here and it does not specifically state what that law firm grandly announces that it states.

I can see that the 1996 Act was hoping to "Prevent" and "Supress" prostitution by largely re-stating an array of qualifiers that have been present in the Thai Penal Code for years and years. However, despite that law firm's claim, it does nothing to affirm or confirm that the act of exchanging sex for money among consenting adults without all those qualifiers present is "illegal" or "a crime".

I give them a dubious credit for trying though.Below is a specific quote from the very website stating that prostitution is illegal.

"The Penal Code, while not explicitly labeling prostitution as illegal, does penalize those profiting from a prostitute's earnings."

Here they say prostituion is not illegal.

[HorseTrader]

Bottom line: there is virtually zero chance of a monger being arrested for prostitution in Thailand. Or a lady.If that changes, the entire tourist economy also changes. My typical trip to Thailand probably costs about $16,000 for 6 weeks. Perhaps $4,000 on P4P plus $12,000 on hotels, food, taxi, tours, airlines, 7-11, mall purchases, etc. I'm sure Thai government realizes that P4P draws a lot of international tourists, but most money is spent in more traditional hospitality businesses. I expect hassle free P4P to continue for years to come.

[Rocko20]

So no.

Nothing you cited specifically says that or implies it at all. There's pages worth of debunking exactly what you just said that supposedly ties prositution itself to being illegal. Just because pimping, trafficking and public disorder through indecency is illegal, does not mean prositution is illegal.I disagree, and multiple sources disagree with you.

"Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, but the laws are ambiguous and often unenforced. As a result, red-light districts, massage parlors, go-go bars, and sex-focused karaoke bars are common sights. Sex work in Thailand is a significant economic incentive for many citizens, especially rural, unskilled women with financial burdens. ".
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-prostitution-is-legal

Someone asked for sources and I provided multiple sources.

Four Africans held for prostitution in Phuket.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2902227/four-africans-held-for-prostitution-in-phuket

Here they say prostituion is not illegal.

I give them a dubious credit for trying though.
Ask the Africans in phuket who got arrested for it.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2902227/four-africans-held-for-prostitution-in-phuket

Bottom line: there is virtually zero chance of a monger being arrested for prostitution in Thailand. Or a lady.
See link above. Are the thai police going to bust down your door? No. Can they arbitrarily decide to arrest some street workers if someone files a complaint? Yes. If they can arrest Africans in Phuket for prostitution, they can do it for anyone else. How many Africans are on beach road right now standing right in front of the police station? Plenty.

[Philip Marlow]

Someone asked for sources and I provided multiple sources.
Good sources in a discussion about whether something is illegal aren't newspaper articles about arrests. You have no idea what they were actually arrested for, or whether the people authorizing the arrest know the law.

And you don't know whether the reporters or editors know the law.

Other sources that shouldn't be referenced are poorly written law firm summaries, like the one from Siam Legal.

Provide citations. A citation is "a quotation from or reference to a book, paper, or author, especially in a scholarly work. ".

Better yet, quote the law itself.

Quoting newspaper articles to support an argument about whether something is illegal is like quoting a forum post to support a point about best STD prevention practices.

[Rocko20]

Good sources in a discussion about whether something is illegal aren't newspaper articles about arrests. Then you should've read the actual law that led to the arrests (1996 Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act). If prostitution was legal in Thailand, prostitutes would have legal status like in Germany and the Netherlands.

The plan to decriminalize prostitution in Thailand has not been passed. Which is why Africans in Phuket still get arrested for it in 2024.

"Technically, the sex they sell is illegal, but a new government-led plan aims to change that. It calls for repealing the 1996 Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, which makes most sex work a crime, and replacing it with a new law, the Protection of Sex Work Act, affirming the rights of sex workers and their places of business to sell sex. ".
https://www.voanews.com/a/thailand-drafts-bill-to-decriminalize-its-billion-dollar-sex-trade/7040409.html

If you don't like facts and real world examples of arrests, simply call the local Thai police and ask them if prostitution is legal.

[Rocko20]

Another thai source for those looking for more sources, straight from a veteran Thai sex worker:

"She pointed out that owners of venues where sex is traded must themselves pay officials under the table, as prostitution remains illegal in Thailand. ".

"And since prostitution is illegal, venues providing sexual services are not registered and therefore not subject to regulations on hygiene and safety. ".

https://world.thaipbs.or.th/detail/thailands-exploited-vulnerable-sex-workers-could-soon-be-protected-by-law/48316

I've proven my stance with multiple sources and I'm not discussing it anymore. Anyone is free to do their own research.

[LittleBigMan]

It is funny, start a needless conversation then say I said my piece I don't want to o talk about it anymore.

Personally it never should have started legal or illegal.

None of these so call research have anything to o do with reality here there is like less than a 1 % chance this applies to anyone who comes to playland if it does don't come. To end I don't want to talk about it anymore LOL.

[EihTooms]

Below is a specific quote from the very website stating that prostitution is illegal.

"The Penal Code, while not explicitly labeling prostitution as illegal, does penalize those profiting from a prostitute's earnings. ".

Here they say prostituion is not illegal.There are some who are so adamant about wanting it to be illegal they so far have only been posting links that literally tell us it is NOT illegal and asserting that as more proof that it is illegal. Weird.

And not just that law firm's link but the Thai Penal Code link and whatever we have seen so far from the nice try but unenforceable The Prosititution Prevention and Supression Act, where they have had since 1996 to reword it and move into the Thai Penal Code as a clear statement about prostitution being illegal but haven't.

None of it states the simple, clear and unambiguous words all of us know could be stated to make the basic act of exchanging sex for money or money for sex among consenting adults illegal.

Also, what's with all these reports about foreigners from Africa getting busted for advertising sexual services on publicly viewable social networks or online, clearly stated as illegal in the Thai Penal Code, and where it is obvious their visa issues are at play?

Notice there is so far no mention of any of their customers being busted for anything. Presumably because their visa status is fine and unquestionable. But most certainly because their customers have not committed a crime that can be cited anywhere in the Thai Penal Code and charged!

And, after all, isn't that the issue at hand for any of us on this website? Is this discussion about our worry that African Thai visa holders might get hassled for whatever tangential infractions the police want to conjure up or is it about whether or not there is an actual law that puts us, the customers, at risk of any criminal infraction and penalty?

Have any of these reports about Africans getting busted for anything included a mention of any of their prostitution service customers being hassled, arrested or charged with a crime? So far I have not seen it. Nor have I ever met someone who was arrested and charged with a crime for engaging in sex for money services here in Thailand. Nor met anyone who ever met anyone who has been through that. Not as long as everyone involved was a consenting adult.

Of course, the police can drum up any reason to hassle and arrest anyone at any time. That has always been so. But in terms of an actual crime as stated in the Thai Penal Code that can be cited, charged and tried for, the words might as well be "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" far as any rogue cops are concerned. They can arrest you for "smiling while driving" if they want. So the risk of being targeted by rogue cops has nothing specifically to do with crimes and arrests for mongering.

[EihTooms]

Another thai source for those looking for more sources, straight from a veteran Thai sex worker:

"She pointed out that owners of venues where sex is traded must themselves pay officials under the table, as prostitution remains illegal in Thailand. ".

"And since prostitution is illegal, venues providing sexual services are not registered and therefore not subject to regulations on hygiene and safety. ".

https://world.thaipbs.or.th/detail/thailands-exploited-vulnerable-sex-workers-could-soon-be-protected-by-law/48316

I've proven my stance with multiple sources and I'm not discussing it anymore. Anyone is free to do their own research."Legalizing" and making legitimate something that is not a crime is not the question at discussion here.

For one thing, we all know the real reason "owners of venues where sex is traded must themselves pay officials under the table" even if she and the authors of that article are confused about it; because the Thai Penal Code clearly states that running such a business as a business is illegal. Why doesn't she herself have to pay officials anything under the table or any freelancers working the streets or on Thai Friendly who connect with customers pay anything to officials to look the other way?

Do I really have to repeat the reason why not?

I agree with her that she and her co-workers' chosen profession should be clearly and unambiguously declared "legal" and made legitimate for the purposes of then installing government-sanctioned and sponsored legal protections from exploitation by rogue cops, abusive customers and so on.

But that is a separate question than the one at discussion here.

BTW, in all her years as a prostitute she has no horror stories about any of her customers being hassled or abused by her line of worknnot being made "legal and legitimate"?

Not even one among the thousands of customers she must have had by now?

Again, do I really have to repeat the reason why not?

[EihTooms]

I disagree, and multiple sources disagree with you.

"Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, but the laws are ambiguous and often unenforced. As a result, red-light districts, massage parlors, go-go bars, and sex-focused karaoke bars are common sights. Sex work in Thailand is a significant economic incentive for many citizens, especially rural, unskilled women with financial burdens. ".
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-prostitution-is-legal

Someone asked for sources and I provided multiple sources.

Four Africans held for prostitution in Phuket.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2902227/four-africans-held-for-prostitution-in-phuket


Ask the Africans in phuket who got arrested for it.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2902227/four-africans-held-for-prostitution-in-phuket

See link above. Are the thai police going to bust down your door? No. Can they arbitrarily decide to arrest some street workers if someone files a complaint? Yes. If they can arrest Africans in Phuket for prostitution, they can do it for anyone else. How many Africans are on beach road right now standing right in front of the police station? Plenty.I would ask the police why none of those Africans' customers were arrested for anything.

I would ask why are they only arresting foreigners with likely visa violation issues at play while thousands more prostitutes with no potential visa issues at all stroll right past their police stations and sidewalk tables before their very eyes day and night. Often with customers in tow.

I would ask the police to please show me the Section in the Thai Penal Code that makes prostitution between consenting adults illegal. And if they won't do that I will bring up the Title IX Sections of The Thai Penal Code on my smart phone and educate them on what the law actually does and does not state.

LOL. The same as I do with the cops and Men In Brown who hassle me about my electric bicycle when they are absolutely certain (but wrong and shown to be wrong by me) about something I have done on a bicycle being illegal when it is not illegal.

That has transpired more than a dozen times over the past 3 years. And I have never been arrested for it nor paid so much as a single baht fine to anyone.

[UglyAzzMan]

Quick update from my trip.

Russian clip joints:

Decided to peak inside a few of them to see if anything has changed and they're just as worthless as they've always been. 500 baht for a beer, 1000 baht for a lady drink, 10,000 baht for a shower (no sex). Ugly strippers. Many of the "Russian" ladies begging for lady drinks are not even scantily clad or half naked, they're fully clothed so there is zero point to visit these scam joints.

Discos:

Panda: Loud as hell, not for the faint of heart, largely chinese only club but plenty of fair skinned freelance stunners if you can stomach the intense environment.

Republic: same as Panda, but a few more westerners. I saw several decent freelancers but was with a WG at the time. Cool enough to revisit.

Insomnia / Ibar: I could not find a damn thing in here. Nothing notable at all but I do like eating at The Diner.

808: Only worth it if you like fat chicks. I've been going to 808 daily on the off chance I see something good, but more times than not its not the case.

Beach road: I generally despise beach roach but I had some free time and found a decent freelancer. She wanted 1500ST, which I was fine with because she had some nice natural knockers. She said "condom everything" but was fine with a bareback blowjob.

Gogos:

I only went to shark yesterday, barfined a decent stunner for ST and ended up spending the rest of the night with her as a GFE. She told me she has to sell 6 drinks or pay the difference (she said its different for salary workers), said pre-covid the money was flowing, now post covid people don't spend money. She said Chinese people are mainly the ones still spending money in the WS go-gos, followed by Americans / Europeans in lower numbers. She said Indians do not spend money in WS gogos as well as local Thai men.

Soapy massages:

Decided not to go on this trip.

Dating apps / bumble / tinder:

Could not find anything I liked.

Indian clubs:

I counted atleast 6 of them on WS. Not worth it for mongering. Too many heavy makeup, middle aged, pushup bra, single mother, overcharging Thai WGs and Azerbaijan women. But good to visit if you want to see something new.

Overall its been a solid trip. I had some good bar girls as well as freelancers.Please disclose Sharks Pricing.

My intelligence on Palace.

Barfine 2,500 prime time.

Girl Fee 4%.

Shocker. She say Kong Time is 6,ooo.

[Newton York]

Since we're all talking about this I'll add my 2 cents. I've found through my decades of hobbying around the world that where it's actually legal, like in New Zealand or the Netherlands, it's not as good and definitely more expensive. Whatever moral or ethical issues aside, when it's in a legal grey zone like in Thailand, the chicks tend to perform better and of course are more affordable. The exception to that rule might just be Singapore's Geylang, but that was years ago, who knows what it's like now. Even FKK's today are no where near as good as they used to be. With how expensive things have become, legality has made prostitution even more cost prohibitive than it already was, in the very few countries where it's legal. That's why we must support Thailand and how it's running this whole thing, cause it's the only way us old, ugly, Danny Devito types can get any pussy, anywhere on the planet. Thailand was made for people like me to get laid. And that's that. What a paradise. People living in Thailand, local or farang have no idea how lucky they are. Only those idiot youtuber digital nomad fucks seem to know how lucky they are with all their ridiculous videos.

[EihTooms]

-snip-
Four Africans held for prostitution in Phuket.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2902227/four-africans-held-for-prostitution-in-phuket


Ask the Africans in phuket who got arrested for it.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2902227/four-africans-held-for-prostitution-in-phuket

See link above. Are the thai police going to bust down your door? No. Can they arbitrarily decide to arrest some street workers if someone files a complaint? Yes. If they can arrest Africans in Phuket for prostitution, they can do it for anyone else. How many Africans are on beach road right now standing right in front of the police station? Plenty.Without even asking the police why they didn't arrest any of those Africans' customers for anything, the report you linked provided most of the reasons for it:


Police were responding to a report that some foreign women were offering sexual services in the Patong area, said Pol Col Kriangkrai Arayaying, the chief of the Phuket Immigration office.

Police found several foreign women talking with other tourists on Bangla Road on Wednesday. The officers observed their behaviour until they were certain the women were offering sex for money.Lessons learned:

1. Don't be a visibly evident foreigner interloping on legal Thai prostitutes' territory.

2. Don't offer sex in exchange for money so publicly, openly and shamefully that your Thai competitors, nearby business owners and the Immigration police they lodge a complaint with as well as the police who respond to that complaint can so plainly observe what you are doing publicly, openly and shamefully that they can be certain that behavior is the specific crime for which you could and will be arrested.

3. The customers were not the ones being open and shameful about the public negotiation. Only the African prostitutes were. Therefore, there was no violation of Thai law that those customers could be arrested and charged with violating.

[EverythingThai]

It is funny, start a needless conversation then say I said my piece I don't want to o talk about it anymore.

Personally it never should have started legal or illegal.

None of these so call research have anything to o do with reality here there is like less than a 1 % chance this applies to anyone who comes to playland if it does don't come. To end I don't want to talk about it anymore LOL.Maybe you need to read my initial post that quoted the OP's that started this conversation. It was not me. Kindly read and you will see.

[PleasureOf69]

Hi Guys,

Need one help, can anyone give a feedback on the Base Apartment in Pattaya from Air BnB.

TIA.

[Mogwai]

Based on recommendations from the Board I tried to book Mike's Taxi to get me from BKK to Pattaya. I filled out their online booking and added all the details and contact info and heard nothing back. The morning I was leaving MNL I wrote again and begged for a response (I was arriving BKK in the evening). Crickets. Perhaps I booked too late and they were full, but in that business they really need to get back to the customer and let them know that.

There was no time to prebook anyone else so I figured I'd take Grab or Bolt. I've used Grab extensively in. The PI (never a problem) but was new to Bolt. I read that it's more popular in Thailand so when I saw a good price I booked it. (1046 baht). On his way to me the "driver" texted me that the tolls are additional, I said "okay, but I only have big bills". (I now believe it was a Manager texting me). Guy arrives and he knows my name and hotel sio my bags go in. The back and I am in. The car when he tells me I need to Cancel the ride in the App and pay cash. I didn't like that, but asked "hoe much?" he said 1400 baht. I showed him. The Bolt page that clearly said 1046 baht. So he called his manager who texted me that it is cash only and I need to cancel the ride. I texted back that that was unacceptable. After some back and forth in Thai the driver says "1200 baht, okay? I say that includes tolls?" he says yes, and realizing I don't want to get my bags out and start this all over I agree. (It's not a terrible price, but it's not the deal I made.). We take off at high speed, hen I get a message from Bolt that "The Driver has cancelled your ride because he couldn't locate you. " That's when I realize that I'm off the grid as far as Bolt is concerned. They have wiped my ride off their App like it never happened, yet I'm in the car. - he could take me anywhere. I start tracking on Google Maps and we are going the right way, but the driver is driving like a maniac and vaping which adds a film noir quality to my first view of nighttime Thailand. Not a pleasant start. Funny thing is when I was paying the guy at my hotel (I waited until I was out of the car in the light with the bellman there) I double checked with the driver that he had change for my second 1000 baht note. He took great offense. "Thai honest people. Thai no lie. " Hunh? You just scammed me.
Welcome to Thailand;.Something similar happened to me when I arrived at Phuket Airport last year. The Bolt driver didn't want to pick me up in front of the terminal, but asked me to walk to a road that was about 300 meters from the airport. As soon as I was in the car, he wanted me to cancel the ride in the app. When I asked him why, he said that the Bolt drivers are not allowed to pick up people at the airport because there is already an 'official' taxi service there. (I saw this service. There was a long line of people in front of it, and it was about 200 - 300 Baht more expensive than Bolt IIRC, for a ride to Patong Beach.).
He also told me right away that the price would remain the same. He just wanted me to cancel the ride, so there would be no evidence of it in the app. That was his explanation anyway. It's possible that he didn't want to pay Bolt's share, and wanted to have more profit.
Remarkably enough, when I went back to the airport, about five days later, it was no problem at all to book a Bolt, and the driver dropped me off right in front of the terminal.

[PassionSR]

Then you should've read the actual law that led to the arrests (1996 Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act). If prostitution was legal in Thailand, prostitutes would have legal status like in Germany and the Netherlands.Your arguments were already weak from the start, but are getting weaker as you're grasping for straws.

No, they would not have legal status like in the Netherlands. The point of the prevention and suppression act is to discourage it and to criminalize people profiting from it other than the prostitute herself.

How countries approach legality, criminalization, punishment and taxation is completely separate and has no bearing on other countries (see: Norway vs France vs Germany).


The plan to decriminalize prostitution in Thailand has not been passed. Which is why Africans in Phuket still get arrested for it in 2024.That doesn't support your argument, it weakens it. If prostitution was illegal they would easily be able to apply that to more than Africans. The reason they get arrested can be anything from the 'public decency' part to working in the country illegally. Or did you forget you're not allowed to work in Thailand (or anywhere in the world) without a work permit?


If you don't like facts and real world examples of arrests, simply call the local Thai police and ask them if prostitution is legal.Your mileage will vary. Plenty of local police will say it is legal.

The main point is the law. You haven't been able to point to a single law saying prostitution itself is legal. Replace the word 'prostitution' with 'murder' in any of the texts of the act and see how silly it sounds. You'd think murder itself is quite legal and accepted by itself! Guess why? Because prostitution is. I don't have to search hard at all to find a law stating an illegal act is illegal. It's only you guys who seem to have a problem with coming up with it.

So not only is there not a single law that says it is illegal, but in practice nobody gets persecuted for it either. Strange.

[Mari1256]

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2969672]Based on recommendations from the Board I tried to book Mike's Taxi to get me from BKK to Pattaya. I filled out their online booking and added all the details and contact info and heard nothing back. The morning I was leaving MNL I wrote again and begged for a response (I was arriving BKK in the evening). Crickets. Perhaps I booked too late and they were full, but in that business they really need to get back to the customer and let them know that. [.

Next time; try Nams Drivers, very quick in answering and very reliable: 1200 one way.

www.namstaxiladydrivers.com

[Jarango]

I see a 77 year old Irish guy is being held for murdering a 40+ Thai (bar?) in his Jomtien hotel. He was arrested out taking a stroll as there was a smell of dead flesh in his room. Two points.

1. 77 is probably too old to rock.

2. 77 is definitely too old to bring strange women home. I remember reading years ago of a 70 year old who took a ladyboy home and the ladyboy kicked and battered him every which way.

There comes a time to hang up the spurs.

[LittleBigMan]

Maybe you need to read my initial post that quoted the OP's that started this conversation. It was not me. Kindly read and you will see.Sorry, my comment was not directed at you one bit, I didn't read all the exchanges because to be honest it isn't relevant to me at least and it is silly that it was brought up but that is his right. My comments above his response I thought was funny and childest since I assume he started it now that he didn't like the responses throw in his last comment along with " he don't want to talk about it any longer " I just kind of shake my head we got grown men here write well etc. Big dicks, come here for one main reason then start talking whether it is legal or not! Funny!

[Mr Enternational]

1. 77 is probably too old to rock.

2. 77 is definitely too old to bring strange women home. I remember reading years ago of a 70 year old who took a ladyboy home and the ladyboy kicked and battered him every which way.Let me guess. You are not 70 yet. There is no one size fits all. Our minds and bodies deteriorate at different rates. One person at 70 will not be the same as another person at 70, or any other age. I have an aunt who is 104 and lives alone. I saw an article the other day of a guy who is 90 and still drives a car.

[Supmam]

Sexual compulsion doesn't magically go away.

Esp since the blue pill.

He sounds like he's been using drugs too.


I see a 77 year old Irish guy is being held for murdering a 40+ Thai (bar?) in his Jomtien hotel. He was arrested out taking a stroll as there was a smell of dead flesh in his room. Two points.

1. 77 is probably too old to rock.

2. 77 is definitely too old to bring strange women home. I remember reading years ago of a 70 year old who took a ladyboy home and the ladyboy kicked and battered him every which way.

There comes a time to hang up the spurs.

[D Cups]

Let me guess. You are not 70 yet. There is no one size fits all. Our minds and bodies deteriorate at different rates. One person at 70 will not be the same as another person at 70, or any other age. I have an aunt who is 104 and lives alone. I saw an article the other day of a guy who is 90 and still drives a car.Salud, Mr. E. I will be a septuagenarian in 2025.

Here it is Christmas Eve Day in the PI and I am happy to report a body count of 78 different girls in 2024. So, my age has not slowed me down. Well, maybe a little HA! Living in the PH with frequent inter-islands trips and also to TH, Jakarta and my annual DR trip helps keep me young at heart. Of course my travel pales in comparison to the legendary Mr. E.

My point is there is still a great future for all you young bucks like the highly sensitive "commander". Keep your vices in check, young fellas, and always remember sex is great for the prostrate so get it as often as you can! Furthermore, fucking a slim and stacked childless 19 year old for two days and nights does wonders for every single cell in your body!

[SiamMan]

I see a 77 year old Irish guy is being held for murdering a 40+ Thai (bar?) in his Jomtien hotel. He was arrested out taking a stroll as there was a smell of dead flesh in his room. Two points.

1. 77 is probably too old to rock.

2. 77 is definitely too old to bring strange women home. I remember reading years ago of a 70 year old who took a ladyboy home and the ladyboy kicked and battered him every which way.

There comes a time to hang up the spurs.Sorry, but there is no one age fits all when it comes to when we should "hang up our spurs", as you put it. I'm guessing you are still a young lad, so 70 sounds really old to you, but as long as you take care of your health, and especially with the help of the blue pill, there is no reason your bodily functions can't continue working just fine well into your 70's and 80's. There are countless examples of men fathering children in their 70's and 80's, check out some famous examples like Charlie Chaplin, Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Mick Jagger. There's no time limit on when we should stop having fun.

[BeachDrone]

Sorry, but there is no one age fits all when it comes to when we should "hang up our spurs", as you put it. I'm guessing you are still a young lad, so 70 sounds really old to you, but as long as you take care of your health, and especially with the help of the blue pill, there is no reason your bodily functions can't continue working just fine well into your 70's and 80's. There are countless examples of men fathering children in their 70's and 80's, check out some famous examples like Charlie Chaplin, Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, Mick Jagger. There's no time limit on when we should stop having fun.Why stop. I'm 72, fit, and typically taken for mid-to-late 50's. I'm in Chiang Mai for my 12th winter here, and getting pussy every night. I prefer the massage parlours over bars and the barfine scene. I don't drink, don't smoke, don't take drugs, hike a lot, practice yoga at least 3 times per week, go to the gym at least twice a week. I stay at a family run guest house where it is not appropriate to bring guests to my room. But the massage parlors are a LOT of fun. I have known some of my favorites for more than 7 or 8 years and love spending time with them. And I have already found 3 new ladies this winter. I love Thai pussy! Life is so much fun, even at my age.

[Turgid]

Why stop. I'm 72, fit, and typically taken for mid-to-late 50's. I'm in Chiang Mai for my 12th winter here, and getting pussy every night. I prefer the massage parlours over bars and the barfine scene. I don't drink, don't smoke, don't take drugs, hike a lot, practice yoga at least 3 times per week, go to the gym at least twice a week. I stay at a family run guest house where it is not appropriate to bring guests to my room. But the massage parlors are a LOT of fun. I have known some of my favorites for more than 7 or 8 years and love spending time with them. And I have already found 3 new ladies this winter. I love Thai pussy! Life is so much fun, even at my age.The fact of the matter is that many girls tell the older guys after doing the deed with these older guys that they are better in bed than many young guys.

[Jarango]

The fact of the matter is that many girls tell the older guys after doing the deed with these older guys that they are better in bed than many young guys.https://thethaiger.com/news/pattaya/irishman-denies-involvement-in-thai-girlfriends-death-in-pattaya

Here is a report of the ram's arrest.

Of course, hookers like old guys, less work, more money.

I am in my 70's and have used viagra but don't like it for heart and other reasons. Fact is, performance lags with age. That is discounting centenarians who run marathons etc, I am pretty healthy for my age but my days of bonking half of South East Asia are over. Good luck to those who still can but maybe some of that is schoolboy boasting.

[Sazaholix]

Speaking of keeping young and healthy by a variety of exercises, I'm looking for outrigger canoe club or team in the Pattaya area. In NZ it's called Waka Ama or Va'a.

[Rocko20]

Your arguments were already weak from the startThai law is not an argument. It's the law. You continue to think sex workers and bar girls in thailand have full legal rights and they don't.

In Germany and the Netherlands sex workers have legal rights and can go straight to the police if a bar doesn't pay up, those legal protections dont exist in Thailand.


She pointed out that owners of venues where sex is traded must themselves pay officials under the table, as prostitution remains illegal in Thailand.

Owners of so-called girly bars also fine the sex workers heavily if they fail to show up at work for a day or two. Sometimes, operators deduct money from the commission the women make on drinks bought for them by customers, hoping they will be too drunk to notice.

And since prostitution is illegal, venues providing sexual services are not registered and therefore not subject to regulations on hygiene and safety.
https://world.thaipbs.or.th/detail/thailands-exploited-vulnerable-sex-workers-could-soon-be-protected-by-law/48316

Source 1: 1996 Prostitution Suppression Act
Source 2: 4 Africans in Phuket getting arrested for prostitution
Source 3: Plans to repeal the 1996 Prostitution Suppression Act with the Sex Workers Protection Bill

Barfine any girl in thailand and ask her what her legal protections are if the bar refuses to pay her. Nothing. She cant sue the bar or go to the cops because its illegal.

[Rocko20]

The fact of the matter is that many girls tell the older guys after doing the deed with these older guys that they are better in bed than many young guys.From a generalized standpoint, based on many talks with WGs whether they're bar girls or freelancers, many WGs prefer a man (customer) with a small penis (so he doesn't "ruin" her vagina and its easier to suck), big wallet, and fast ejaculation. They're not having sex for pleasure and want their job to be as easy as possible.

Doesn't matter how old, young, fat, bald, short, tall, race, color, or ugly you are. Doesn't matter how "good" you are in bed or how much "game" you have.

I think some mongers get caught up in superficial things trying to impress or seduce sex workers. The point is as long as you have money, there will be pussy you can find regardless of your age.

1. Don't be a visibly evident foreigner interloping on legal Thai prostitutes' territory.
Thats the point, its not legal. It happened to Lao WGs as well and many Lao women look Thai.


8 Lao women arrested in Thailand for prostitution
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/laos/prostitution-04082024184617.html

I dont understand why mongers continue to think its legal. Its technically still illegal, but its simply rarely enforced so everyone can get their “tea money,” its really not rocket science.

[EihTooms]

-snip-

Thats the point, its not legal. It happened to Lao WGs as well and many Lao women look Thai.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/laos/prostitution-04082024184617.html

I dont understand why mongers continue to think its legal. Its technically still illegal, but its simply rarely enforced so everyone can get their tea money, its really not rocket science.Haven't you noticed that every linked report posted by you and others trying to prove the simple act of consenting adults exchanging sex for money is illegal is loaded with tangential factors and qualifiers that are illegal other than that simple act?

From your Lao girls arrested link:


Authorities in Thailand have arrested eight Lao women, seven of whom entered the country illegally to work as prostitutes, and one who worked as their madam, Radio Free Asia has learned.
............
"Usually, people from Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar are allowed to work in Thailand in only certain types of work like construction, but not in entertainment venues or karaoke bars, Col. Pattanapong Sripinproh of the Anti-Trafficking in Persons Unit told RFA Lao.

They are not allowed to work as bar girls or drink girls, he said. If they do, theyll be arrested.Who are the Thai freelancers paying the cops tea money?

Instead of calling it The Prostitution Prevention and Supression Act why didn't they just call it The Criminalization of Prostitution Act? If they meant to make it illegal in light of The Thai Penal Code failing to do so, why just lick around the edges with this attempt only to "prevent" and "supress" an act that is otherwise not illegal in Thailand?

So this "technically illegal" act as every publication appears to have followed some template to repeat over and over while zero, none of them refer to any Title or Section of the Thai Penal Code to back up their unsubstantiated assertion, is "rarely enforced"?

How about "never" enforced. Because there is no Title or Section in the Thai Penal Code nor a passage in The Prostitution Prevention and Supression Act that clearly states that the act of consenting adults exchanging sex for money is illegal or a crime.

There are only Sections for the tangential factors that invariably show up in these news reports about someone getting arrested; advertising on a public platform, openly and shamefully offering it, running it the same as a legitimate business entrrprise, someone who is not performing the sex living off the proceeds of someone else performing it, procuring or taking by force or seduction (recruiting) someone to work as a prostitute, the usual other age and nonconsentual factors and so on.

Do you know how police in countries where prostitution IS illegal bust the prostitute offering it and customers accepting it?

They don't sit at a distance and "observe" public conversations until they are "certain" someone is openly and shamelessly offering sex for money and then arrest them for having that particular conversation but not for the act itself.

They don't sit around six at a group at sidewalk tables in the heart of Sex For Money districts with so much idle free time on their hands with nothing better to do than hassle bicycle riders walking their bicycles to park at a sidewalk bicycle rack.

The don't wait for the opportunity to bust people for visa violations rather than everyone else in the exact same venue selling Sex For Money but who happen to have no visa problems.

Here is what they do; they wire an attractive plain clothes female police officer, station her on a corner and wait for perpetrators to approach and ask 'How much for a blowjob".

Or they wire a plain clothes male police officer and assign him to walk up to and chat with any likely candidate on the street, African, Lao or otherwise.

Then they just wait for the magic words. Sometimes they string it along until they are in a hotel room or apartment, just to make sure, before they slap on the cuffs.

In several locations in Thailand they would be racking up arrests and 20,000 baht Fines every 15 minutes. Better than tea money.

Has any Thai police force ever done something as obvious and simple as that to "prevent" and "supress" prostitution among the local citizenry?

Not "rarely", has it happened "ever"?

Having observed Thai culture and the Thai mindset over the past 12 years, it is impossible to imagine the government making illegal or a crime anything that an uneducated single mom with few if any better options for making serious good money with her natural resources and initiative, short of her commiting robbery, kidnapping, bodily injury and murder. The public outrage would be historic. They haven't done it and they aren't going to do it.

[Allover]

From a generalized standpoint, based on many talks with WGs whether they're bar girls or freelancers, many WGs prefer a man (customer) with a small penis (so he doesn't "ruin" her vagina and its easier to suck), big wallet, and fast ejaculation. They're not having sex for pleasure and want their job to be as easy as possible.

Doesn't matter how old, young, fat, bald, short, tall, race, color, or ugly you are. Doesn't matter how "good" you are in bed or how much "game" you have.

I think some mongers get caught up in superficial things trying to impress or seduce sex workers. The point is as long as you have money, there will be pussy you can find regardless of your age.

Thats the point, its not legal. It happened to Lao WGs as well and many Lao women look Thai.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/laos/prostitution-04082024184617.html

I dont understand why mongers continue to think its legal. Its technically still illegal, but its simply rarely enforced so everyone can get their tea money, its really not rocket science.Exactly. Some mongers try to impress girls. Some mongers even try to impress other mongers while talking about having a lot of money, a big dick, and claim they be ballin like a pro. These people usually don't have lots of money or a big dick despite their raving like lunatics. The point is the girls like it easy, fast, and want to be treated nicely. Which is why so many falang newcomers to Pattaya have trouble understanding the girls prefer Korean men.

[Mr Enternational]

I dont understand why mongers continue to think its legal. Its technically still illegal, but its simply rarely enforced To throw another log on the fire, immigration sometimes detain the chicks at the airport who are heading to Bahrain to be hookers.

[Rocko20]

Haven't you noticed that every linked report posted by you and others trying to prove the simple act of consenting adults exchanging sex for money is illegal is loaded with tangential factors and qualifiers that are illegal other than that simple act?Haven't you noticed they were still arrested for prostitution?

Even Thai women are not immune to random arrests. This is straight from the Pattaya police:


Sixty Thai prostitutes frogmarched to police station in sex trade crackdown

Police frogmarched dozens of young woman to the station in Pattaya, Thailand, after picking them up on the red-light strip Beach Road. The prostitutes had their IDs recorded, pictures taken and fingerprints marked - with police heralding the ''grand crime prevention measure''.



Colonel Nattithorn Ratananatanan from the City's police station said: ''Ladies who were loitering under trees along the Beach Road were taken to the police station in order to prevent crime.

''We are following the policy to suppress the spread of prostitution. Officers split up and tackled the area and when they saw women showing signs of prostitution they were arrested.https://www.newsflare.com/video/220809/sixty-thai-prostitutes-frogmarched-to-police-station-in-sex-trade-crackdown?origin=ids

Sorry dude, I trust the Pattaya police colonel over random internet posters who think prostitution in Thailand is legal.

Feel free to contact Colonel Nattithorn Ratananatanan to tell him not to arrest sex workers.

To throw another log on the fire, immigration sometimes detain the chicks at the airport who are heading to Bahrain to be hookers.
Correct. I thought all of this was common knowledge for longtime mongers of Thailand, but apparently not.

Its shows us many mongers haven't really been in Thailand long enough to understand Thai laws, so they get shocked about such news reports that we already knew about decades ago.

[Philip Marlow]

Sorry dude, I trust the Pattaya police colonel over random internet posters who think prostitution in Thailand is legal.

Correct. I thought all of this was common knowledge for longtime mongers of Thailand, but apparently not.

Its shows us many mongers haven't really been in Thailand long enough to understand Thai laws, A friendly word of advice. Whenever you're in Thailand, if you ever find yourself in need of a criminal defense attorney, be sure to get one who didn't get his law education from website news stories and from Thai police colonels. Or from mongers who have been in Thailand a long time. Find one who knows what the Thai penal code is, and understands it.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Haven't you noticed they were still arrested for prostitution?

Even Thai women are not immune to random arrests. This is straight from the Pattaya police:


https://www.newsflare.com/video/220809/sixty-thai-prostitutes-frogmarched-to-police-station-in-sex-trade-crackdown?origin=ids

Sorry dude, I trust the Pattaya police colonel over random internet posters who think prostitution in Thailand is legal.

Feel free to contact Colonel Nattithorn Ratananatanan to tell him not to arrest sex workers.

Correct. I thought all of this was common knowledge for longtime mongers of Thailand, but apparently not.

Its shows us many mongers haven't really been in Thailand long enough to understand Thai laws, so they get shocked about such news reports that we already knew about decades ago.That video was from 2018, five and a half years ago.

[UglyAzzMan]

Exactly. Some mongers try to impress girls. Some mongers even try to impress other mongers while talking about having a lot of money, a big dick, and claim they be ballin like a pro. These people usually don't have lots of money or a big dick despite their raving like lunatics. The point is the girls like it easy, fast, and want to be treated nicely. Which is why so many falang newcomers to Pattaya have trouble understanding the girls prefer Korean men.We talking about the ABC. Angry Blek kook.

[EihTooms]

The Pattaya police colonel and I both noticed they were not arrested for Prostitution. Not even one of them.

And all 60 of those prostitutes were apparently so unfit for the job there were no customers to be found in the vicinity to arrest for that non existant crime either. Not even one.


Haven't you noticed they were still arrested for prostitution?

Even Thai women are not immune to random arrests. This is straight from the Pattaya police:


https://www.newsflare.com/video/220809/sixty-thai-prostitutes-frogmarched-to-police-station-in-sex-trade-crackdown?origin=ids

Sorry dude, I trust the Pattaya police colonel over random internet posters who think prostitution in Thailand is legal.

Feel free to contact Colonel Nattithorn Ratananatanan to tell him not to arrest sex workers.

Correct. I thought all of this was common knowledge for longtime mongers of Thailand, but apparently not.

Its shows us many mongers haven't really been in Thailand long enough to understand Thai laws, so they get shocked about such news reports that we already knew about decades ago.Again, the report you linked and what the Pattaya colonel is quoted to have said about it fully supports my and other "no law against the act of prostitution between consenting adults"" contention and refutes yours:

Sixty Thai prostitutes frogmarched to police station in sex trade crackdown

https://www.newsflare.com/video/220809/sixty-thai-prostitutes-frogmarched-to-police-station-in-sex-trade-crackdown?origin=ids


This is the bizarre moment 60 Thai hookers were rounded up and arrested to have their details taken - in case they commit crimes in the future.

Police frogmarched dozens of young woman to the station in Pattaya, Thailand, after picking them up on the red-light strip Beach Road. The prostitutes had their IDs recorded, pictures taken and fingerprints marked - with police heralding the ''grand crime prevention measure''.

Footage shows them being herded from police pick-up trucks and covering their faces as they are ushered in lines into the station. They were released an hour late.

Critics said it was unfair to stigmatise the group of young women and an invasion of their privacy. Sue Bangsai, who runs a support group for Thai women in the sex trade, said: 'Police should be supporting the women not demonising them even more.'

"Sex workers risk abuse from customers every day but often their complaints are not heard.

''They often choose this work through a lack of other options and they should not be treated as criminals.''

Colonel Nattithorn Ratananatanan from the City's police station said: ''Ladies who were loitering under trees along the Beach Road were taken to the police station in order to prevent crime."

"We are following the policy to suppress the spread of prostitution. Officers split up and tackled the area and when they saw women showing signs of prostitution they were arrested.

''Background checks were made and their details were added to a database. When tourists have problems in the future we can show the pictures for them to identify the offender.''Now, I have gone ahead and highlighted the parts where the prostitutes were herded, rounded up and arrested for "showing signs of prostitution" that no one here has refuted is indeed cited specifically in The Thai Penal Code as illegal, a crime, and repeated in The Prostitution Prevention and Supression Act as a means to prevent and suppress an act nobody in authority apparently can find the words to specifically declare as illegal, a crime.

As followed by the Pattaya police here.

So if you will kindly highlight the parts where the Pattaya police colonel states even one of those 60 Thai ladies was arrested for Prostitution rather than for "showing signs of prostitution", presumably openly and shamefully enough to justify an arrest for that particular infraction, we can take it from there.

[EihTooms]

To throw another log on the fire, immigration sometimes detain the chicks at the airport who are heading to Bahrain to be hookers.Have you heard they are detained to be questioned about who recruited them by force or seduction to be taken to Bahrain to work as hookers? That would make sense and certainly fits the laws on the issue.

Because we now all know that particular act of procurement for the purposes of taking someone to engage in prostitution either in or outside of Thailand is specifically cited as illegal and punishable by fine and / or prison sentence in The Thai Penal Code and The Prostitution Prevention and Supresson Act.

For the recruiter / procurer, that is. Not for the hookers or their customers in or outside of Thailand. There is no specific law for that cited in The Code or The Act.

[Rocko20]

A friendly word of advice. Whenever you're in Thailand, if you ever find yourself in need of a criminal defense attorneyA friendly reminder. You are not the Pattaya police, a thai lawyer, a thai sex worker, a thai bar girl, and you did not repeal Thailands 1996 Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act.

Feel free to show us what Thai law fully decriminalized prostitution and granted sex workers with legal rights. We’ll wait.

[EihTooms]

A friendly word of advice. Whenever you're in Thailand, if you ever find yourself in need of a criminal defense attorney, be sure to get one who didn't get his law education from website news stories and from Thai police colonels. Or from mongers who have been in Thailand a long time. Find one who knows what the Thai penal code is, and understands it.I wonder if it is a bad translation by the editors of those news reports or are they simply towing the Thai cultural line of protecting the image of the country by using the word "technically" so often.

"Technically, prostitution is illegal in Thailand but blah blah blah. ".

Of course, that is just the point; prostitution is not illegal "technically". Not by the definition of the word "technically", as in:

According to the facts or exact meaning of something; strictly.

If there was a law in the Thai Penal Code or the nice try but still missed the target The Prostitution Prevention and Supression Act that specifically states the exchange of money for sex between consenting adults is illegal, a crime, that would be "tecnically" illegal. And then they could cite the specific Title and Section in The Code or The Act that strictly states the exact words and facts that make it so. But there isn't one.

"Roughly", "approximately" or "vaguely" might be accurate I suppose. But not "technically".

Then again, maybe they are playing typical Thai-style word games with the use of the word "illegal", as in not legal or not legitimate.

Now, that's a different matter entirely.

Practitioners of something that has not been officially "legalized" or "decriminalized" can be targeted for demonization, abuse and exploitation without the legal protections afforded legitimate businesses following fully ajudicated contracts and business practices.

And that is the part of prostitution that Thai authorities have not accommodated, although certain Sex Worker Advocates are asking them to do that. They have chosen instead to say nothing about it specifically at all in The Code or The Act. They don't yet want to be seen as a country that tolerates Sex For Money as a legitimate, legally sanctioned and ajudicated business enterprise.

Cannabis sales and consumption? Yes, that is now an officially legalized and legitimate business enterprise in Thailand. With certain qualifiers. Violate those Cannibis issue qualifiers openly and shamefully and you will be busted and arrested for that. But merely smoking or consuming it in Thailand is not a crime. Similar to the situation with prostitution except for the fact that Thailand is not yet ready to officially "legalize" it and accommodate it in law as a legitimate business enterprise.

Which leaves it neither a crime nor legally sanctioned by the government.

Therefore, in ordinary parlance and I dare say even technically that makes it "not a crime" "unindictable", "no law against it" and "legal to do it" regardless whatever word games one wants to play about it being "illegal" or not specifically accommodated or sanctioned by law.

[EverythingThai]

Hey Rocko and Philip. Check the rants thread. Let's move this conversation there.

About Pattaya, dam I miss it. I've been unable to make the trip from Bangkok recently. What I have heard is that other than the weekends, Pattaya high season this year has a lot of ladies but nowhere near the amount of tourists that were expected. Therefore, it's basically a free for all with ladies everywhere and tons of selection. Whoever is in Pattaya now, count your lucky charms.

[Explorer8939]

Pattaya is jammed with tourists. The question is how many of them are in the bars?

[BeachDrone]

Hey Rocko and Philip. Check the rants thread. Let's move this conversation there.

About Pattaya, dam I miss it. I've been unable to make the trip from Bangkok recently. What I have heard is that other than the weekends, Pattaya high season this year has a lot of ladies but nowhere near the amount of tourists that were expected. Therefore, it's basically a free for all with ladies everywhere and tons of selection. Whoever is in Pattaya now, count your lucky charms.The scene in Chiang Mai is nowhere near that in Pattaya, but the same is true here. Many fewer tourists than expected, so more ladies and the odds are in our favor.

[Mr Enternational]

Pattaya is jammed with tourists. The question is how many of them are in the bars?It does not matter how many are in the bars. You do not have to be in a bar to get a chick in Pattaya. Maybe a better question would be how many of them are picking up hookers. The same chicks that were talking that 3000 shit 2 weeks ago are miraculously back down to 1000 again. When the money gets low, then the hungriness shows.

[Turgid]

From a generalized standpoint, based on many talks with WGs whether they're bar girls or freelancers, many WGs prefer a man (customer) with a small penis (so he doesn't "ruin" her vagina and its easier to suck), big wallet, and fast ejaculation. They're not having sex for pleasure and want their job to be as easy as possible.

Doesn't matter how old, young, fat, bald, short, tall, race, color, or ugly you are. Doesn't matter how "good" you are in bed or how much "game" you have.

I think some mongers get caught up in superficial things trying to impress or seduce sex workers. The point is as long as you have money, there will be pussy you can find regardless of your age......I have no doubt that girls like the 'slam, bam, thank you ma'm' mongers which I am not. I like good service and many girls do not provide this. The SBTYN mongers generally always get the service they want which when a girl seeks to provide me with I call poor service. There are probably some guys who do not know that women enjoy sex as much as men, however, if you are her tenth client of the day then diminishing returns apply and I always factor that in my choice. The SBTYM guys are no doubt squeaky clean and do not indulge in DATY, BBBJ or such activities and probably have no experience of making a working girl orgasm. Believe me I have done that during coitus and otherwise and having banged women now for over half a century I know when a girl is faking it and when she is not and I have had many fakers.

To put it in a nutshell if you are just into SBTYM then you and the girl will always be happy. If you are not you have to be more selective and an expert interviewer. You may not always be successful but the rewards are phenomenal.

[Explorer8939]

I have no doubt that girls like the 'slam, bam, thank you ma'm' mongers which I am not. I like good service and many girls do not provide this. The SBTYN mongers generally always get the service they want which when a girl seeks to provide me with I call poor service. There are probably some guys who do not know that women enjoy sex as much as men, however, if you are her tenth client of the day then diminishing returns apply and I always factor that in my choice. The SBTYM guys are no doubt squeaky clean and do not indulge in DATY, BBBJ or such activities and probably have no experience of making a working girl orgasm. Believe me I have done that during coitus and otherwise and having banged women now for over half a century I know when a girl is faking it and when she is not and I have had many fakers.

To put it in a nutshell if you are just into SBTYM then you and the girl will always be happy. If you are not you have to be more selective and an expert interviewer. You may not always be successful but the rewards are phenomenal.The vast majority of bargirls have much more sex than they want, to the point that they don't like customers who make them work too much.

There are some low volume ladies who don't have the money for a Thai man, or can't get one for free, and if they aren't too old, might enjoy some fucking, but they are rare. Any lady working in Pattaya who likes sex would much rather have it with a Thai man rather than an old Farang.

Pattaya, as they say, is like Disneyland, and no, Minnie Mouse is just acting, she is not your new friend.

[Buck011]

Pattaya is jammed with tourists. The question is how many of them are in the bars?More than enough so the girls don't have the necessity to lower the prices. And every season it's the same story but reality is the only direction prices are going is north.

[Buck011]

Just wondering if the rest of folks here who have already booked or planning to book the next trip noticed a significant increase in hotel prices? Hotels in Bangkok I stayed in March this year are like 25-75% more expensive same time in 2025?

[JustTK]

Just wondering if the rest of folks here who have already booked or planning to book the next trip noticed a significant increase in hotel prices? Hotels in Bangkok I stayed in March this year are like 25-75% more expensive same time in 2025?Its called capitalism. Once the victors for market competition emerge, they can then exercise their oligarchical right to push the prices up until the market is at breaking point. Some will complain (you), but the every growing market place will mean that more can and do pay, so we all end up paying more.

[HorseTrader]

Just wondering if the rest of folks here who have already booked or planning to book the next trip noticed a significant increase in hotel prices? Hotels in Bangkok I stayed in March this year are like 25-75% more expensive same time in 2025?Your post got me thinking about Thailand hotel prices, so I went back to my hotel records over the last 3 years from 2 different hotels. One hotel has not changed price appreciably, just slightly lower price for 2025 than 2022. The other hotel had an increase of about 25% from 2022 to 2025. This is comparison of the same hotels, same class rooms, and same months. I don't have information that is specific to Pattaya, but I've seen nothing close to 25%-75% year to year.

There can be a big difference in price for different booking methods: Agoda, Priceline, Hotels, email to hotel, telephone hotel. Sometimes one is less money, other times another is less money. It also can make a big difference if you book long in advance or if you do a last minute booking.

[Asiamonger1978]

Your post got me thinking about Thailand hotel prices, so I went back to my hotel records over the last 3 years from 2 different hotels. One hotel has not changed appreciably, just slightly lower price for 2025 than 2022. The other hotel had an increase of about 25% from 2022 to 2025. This is comparison of the same hotels, same class rooms, and same months. I don't have information that is specific to Pattaya, but I've seen nothing close to 25%-75% year to year.

There can be a big difference in price for different booking methods: Agoda, Priceline, Hotels, email to hotel, telephone hotel. Sometimes one is less money, other times another is less money. It also can make a big difference if you book long in advance or if you do a last minute booking.Me neither. I am in BKK for business around 4 times per year. I do stay at the Radisson Blu Plaza. The price varies throughout the year between 95 and 155 USD a night. No major difference to pre-covid even. (VIP Member prices).

[Margaya]

I was wondering if it is easy to get Testosterone injections or tablets in Pattaya? If anyone has any reccs for a pharmacy or a doctor / clinic please let me know.

And by the way, is there any point in taking the above if I am in city just for a week?

[UglyAzzMan]

The vast majority of bargirls have much more sex than they want, to the point that they don't like customers who make them work too much.

There are some low volume ladies who don't have the money for a Thai man, or can't get one for free, and if they aren't too old, might enjoy some fucking, but they are rare. Any lady working in Pattaya who likes sex would much rather have it with a Thai man rather than an old Farang.

Pattaya, as they say, is like Disneyland, and no, Minnie Mouse is just acting, she is not your new friend.You can actually tell who likes you and who doesn't. Pretty much.

If you see a see 6 girl you like and as you approach she turns real fast away- she doesn't like you.

The Hard ones are the introverts. Hahaha. They might like you, they take your money and say thank you but not much more. There's one like that at Oceans on Soi 6- she is just reserved as FKK. She will make eye contact and smile.

I saw a BBC approach a gaggle of Girls at OPPA. Known Korean Place. The girls scattered. I wonder if it was the SUB.

[UglyAzzMan]

Just wondering if the rest of folks here who have already booked or planning to book the next trip noticed a significant increase in hotel prices? Hotels in Bangkok I stayed in March this year are like 25-75% more expensive same time in 2025?Yes prices have gone up in Bangkok proper.

[Oakie]

I'm trying to get back to my relatively obscure puta pueblo DR, living among locals (real people with real lives).

But Sudsy keeps dropping my name here, and everywhere around the world he can find a ranting thread.

Anyway, I would be remiss not to leave the one piece of positive advice I was given, by a wise fellow hobbyist, and never once regretted following!

You all have one very personal relationship with your hard earned money, another with your dick, and another with your food.

Only YOU can make the optimum choices for yourself to keep all things in balance. Not some online forum pissing match, run mainly by a few mega posters, who are basically looking to everybody else, for the secret sauce. They are not content to happily pursue their hobby, they the need the confirmation of their peers, They want your info in detail to add to their "intel" because they are afraid they are missing something.

That "something" Is your ability to pursue and enjoy your hobby, without the necessity of requiring approval, from the malcontents. The one thing that riles them, is somebody who posts positive things about the people and places he enjoys.

I got 15 years of positive posts about my own particular puta paradise, and 15 years of tag team attacks on my personal choices. Seems a happy monger is an anathema to malcontents, who haven't figured it out!

And, 2 issues always surface.

The definition of "hot", "attractiveness", "desirabilty", and.

The intrinsic "value" of pussy.

The first should be a no brainer. See the Miss World finalists.

And price?

You will never, ever, get a well aged and well served steak, for the price of a hamburger. Don't let anybody tell you different.

Why do you think that 80% of posts on these forums complain of service, price, or both? After all the so called good "advice", "intel" and "Top Ten Do's and Don'ts" collected and endlessly flogged here? LOL.

So pay attention to YOUR budget, YOUR dick and YOUR diet. Don't be cowed by so called "vets".

Because the only folks who lie more than hoes, are mongers! They really don't care about you. Really!

But they want what you got, if you got it!

Good Luck!

[Mr Enternational]

Should have fucked them while you could:

"Police officers discreetly monitored various spots along the beach before making their arrests. The detainees included women from Uganda (9), Uzbekistan (8), Madagascar (2), and Rwanda (1), aged between 26 and 51.

During initial questioning, all 20 women admitted to arriving in Pattaya to work as sex workers catering to foreign clients. Authorities charged them under Section 5 of the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, be. E. 2539 (1996), which prohibits public solicitation for prostitution in a manner deemed open, shameful, or disturbing to the public. ".

https://aseannow.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1080ef7ae50b8923f9ea4d547&id=b9026bdcfb&e=56b8e2c51e

[Rocko20]

More than enough so the girls don't have the necessity to lower the prices. I don't mind the prices of freelancers, most of those are negotiable anyway. What I found to be alarming was the prevalence of "condom everything" services from them. In my years on mongering, thai freelancers were usually just fine with bareback blowjobs but that wasn't the case on my last trip.

So yup, as you stated, there's clearly more than enough mongers out there who are ok with covered blowjobs for that to now become the norm service for thai WG freelancers.


And every season it's the same story but reality is the only direction prices are going is north.Agreed. Multiple freelancers and bargirls told me post-covid spending and customers are still not at the high levels of pre-covid spending and customers, but prices continue to climb.

Also, Pattaya police just did another crack down on beach road Friday, which makes me think this is why many freelancers are increasing their prices: the perception of higher risks due to more tourist complaints during high season.


27 Dec 2024 CHON BURI - Twenty women from different countries were arrested in Pattaya beach town on Friday for allegedly providing sex services.

The arrests followed complaints made by locals and tourists about a group of foreign women standing at various spots along the beach and soliciting sex for money, which disturbed the public peace, said Pol Lt Col Piyapong Ensan, chief of Pattaya tourist police.https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2928241/20-foreigners-arrested-for-prostitution-in-pattaya

[Safado70]

So yup, as you stated, there's clearly more than enough mongers out there who are ok with covered blowjobs for that to now become the norm service for thai WG freelancers.
I wouldn't say it's the norm. But it is so prevalent that I always negotiate BBBJ (and DFK) with any freelancer before I call her.

[LittleBigMan]

I don't mind the prices of freelancers, most of those are negotiable anyway. What I found to be alarming was the prevalence of "condom everything" services from them. In my years on mongering, thai freelancers were usually just fine with bareback blowjobs but that wasn't the case on my last trip.

So yup, as you stated, there's clearly more than enough mongers out there who are ok with covered blowjobs for that to now become the norm service for thai WG freelancers.
Agreed. Multiple freelancers and bargirls told me post-covid spending and customers are still not at the high levels of pre-covid spending and customers, but prices continue to climb.

Also, Pattaya police just did another crack down on beach road Friday, which makes me think this is why many freelancers are increasing their prices: the perception of higher risks due to more tourist complaints during high season.
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2928241/20-foreigners-arrested-for-prostitution-in-pattayaLOL, this crackdown ccmes every year! The head comes into town this time of year basically to do photos ops and declare all is fine. Several years back declare no prostitution on WS he's got to visit to get his cut this is all smoke and mirrors!

[Mogwai]

I don't mind the prices of freelancers, most of those are negotiable anyway. What I found to be alarming was the prevalence of "condom everything" services from them. In my years on mongering, thai freelancers were usually just fine with bareback blowjobs but that wasn't the case on my last trip. Which freelancers are you talking about exactly? From Beach Road? Clubs? Thai Friendly? I was in Pattaya last week and had no problems at all to find young (below 30), slim, attractive freelancers on Thai Friendly, who were willing to do everything without condom. So not just BBBJ but also BBFS, and the majority of them with CIP.

[Sky Ryder]

LOL, this crackdown ccmes every year! The head comes into town this time of year basically to do photos ops and declare all is fine. Several years back declare no prostitution on WS he's got to visit to get his cut this is all smoke and mirrors!This was more of an immigration issue than a prostitution issue, but full credit for a two for one deal. According the reports I saw there were NO Thai ladies arrested.

[Turgid]

You can actually tell who likes you and who doesn't. Pretty much.

If you see a see 6 girl you like and as you approach she turns real fast away- she doesn't like you.

The Hard ones are the introverts. Hahaha. They might like you, they take your money and say thank you but not much more. There's one like that at Oceans on Soi 6- she is just reserved as FKK. She will make eye contact and smile.

I saw a BBC approach a gaggle of Girls at OPPA. Known Korean Place. The girls scattered. I wonder if it was the SUB.There are four types of girls. There is the one who turns away her head with a look of disgust on her face, then there's the one who has a stoic expression on her face, then there's the girl who smiles at you and finally there's the girl who winks at you. If ever a girl in a lineup winks at you go with her without hesitation, you will be in for the time of your life.

[PassionSR]

Thai law is not an argument. It's the law. Show us the law. The actual law showing it is illegal.


A friendly reminder. You are not the Pattaya police, a thai lawyer, a thai sex worker, a thai bar girl, and you did not repeal Thailands 1996 Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act.

Feel free to show us what Thai law fully decriminalized prostitutionAgain, show us the law that states it is illegal. It is not hard to find for any other illegal activity after all. Why are you trying to reverse the situation? Does the law list every profession or act that is legal? No, it is illegal activities that are stated in laws. Murder is easy to find without any qualifiers required. So why isn't prostitution?

It has nothing to do with how tolerant law enforcement is with applying the law. There still needs to be a law for them to be tolerant about it. Similar to how in the Netherlands there is a tolerance to certain soft drugs. The Netherlands is known for this, yet the law (article 2 of the opiumlaw) specifically states that those drugs are illegal. Regardless of enforcement, there needs to be a law for something to be illegal. You can keep dancing around the topic, but unless there's even a single law stating prostitution itself (so not the side activities) is illegal, you have no argument.

This just comes across as illiterate and sad at this point. There's no legal text supporting you and certainly no policy either.

[Mr Enternational]

I guess someone forgot to tell the UN that prostitution in Thailand is not illegal. Shame they would go through all this trouble and spend all this money. Maybe they should have done their research before taking up the cause.

"UN urges Thailand to decriminalize sex work for healthcare access. The United Nations (UN) has recommended that Thailand should decriminalize sex work to ensure equal access to healthcare services and integrate victim support. This announcement was made during a press conference at the Renaissance Bangkok Ratchaprasong Hotel, where the Working Group on Discrimination Against Women and Girls discussed the state of women's and girls' rights in."

[SubCmdr]

Higher price does not mean Pretty.Agreed.


1000 baht does mean UGLYDisagree.


Come on bro. Think.Nothing to think about. You stated your opinion. I stated mine.


I saw a BBC approach a gaggle of Girls at OPPA. Known Korean Place. The girls scattered. I wonder if it was the SUB.Wasn't me!

I have an after hours girl from Soi 6 that suits me just fine. 1100 THB for a short time (2 -3 hours) that involves multiple orgasms for us both. I sourced her from Thai Friendly. Lots of BBBJ. Boom Boom, BBBJCIM, she is 26. She puts her own music on her phone on when she comes over. I actually have her send me her favorite YouTube sound tracks to me. She likes 808. She like the music I like.

[HorseTrader]

I still haven't seen news reports of Thai women being arrested for prostitution. Nor have I seen reports of foreigners being arrested for hiring prostitutes. Every arrest report has other factors involved. The 60 frog marchers seem to have had their IDs recorded but not arrested. Am I the only one who noticed that video was from 11th July 2018?

What did I miss?

[Banana Boi]

The detainees included women from Uganda (9), Uzbekistan (8), Madagascar (2), and Rwanda (1), aged between 26 and 51.For all you guys who were seeking black and Russian working girls in Pattaya I can now officially confirm there were at least 20 of them before a couple of days ago. .:)


Every arrest report has other factors involved.

Correct. Having sex with a minor, busted with drugs involved, or sex in an illegal set up (ie upstairs private rooms in gogo bars circa 2016) are the usual stories you hear about guys being charged.

[Philip Marlow]

I guess someone forgot to tell the UN that prostitution in Thailand is not illegal. Shame they would go through all this trouble and spend all this money. Maybe they should have done their research before taking up the cause.

"UN urges Thailand to decriminalize sex work for healthcare access. The United Nations (UN) has recommended that Thailand should decriminalize sex work to ensure equal access to healthcare services and integrate victim support. This announcement was made during a press conference at the Renaissance Bangkok Ratchaprasong Hotel, where the Working Group on Discrimination Against Women and Girls discussed the state of women's and girls' rights in."The UN has some pretty good attorneys. Sex work in Thailand IS criminalized. That's what the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act does. You can't prostitute yourself in a prostitution establishment, etc. No one is saying it's not criminalized.

It's illegal to drive your car over the speed limit. Illegal to drive your car on the wrong side of the road. Illegal to drive it without the proper paperwork, and without a license and on and on. Some people here would argue that because of all those illegalities, driving must be illegal. It's not, and neither is prostitution in general. There is nothing in Thai law that says that having sex with another person who is 18 or older in exchange for something of value, I. E. , prostitution, is illegal. How it's done, where it's done, etc are criminalized to some extent. But not the act itself.

Decriminalizing prostitution takes away most of the exceptions written into the law now. That in turn helps protect the WGs. It wouldn't legalize prostitution, because it's already legal.

[Nyezhov]

There are four types of girls. There is the one who turns away her head with a look of disgust on her face, then there's the one who has a stoic expression on her face, then there's the girl who smiles at you and finally there's the girl who winks at you. If ever a girl in a lineup winks at you go with her without hesitation, you will be in for the time of your life.Thats the Thermae selection process.

[SubCmdr]

This is the Pattya Reports threads I write this based on my experiences after being posted up in Pattaya for the last 18 months. Actually who first wrote:

Your time; Your money; Your dick; Your call!

Gentleman, a prostitute is not a thing, a slave, a product. A prostitute is a live human being with feeling just like you. They are independent business women or independent contractors providing social / sexual service for an agreed upon price.

The prices at which these providers of social / sexual services choose to provided those social / sexual services vary by both appearance (yours) and personal need. Catch a girl that needs 500 THB right now and she will go with you if you offer her 500 THB.

But if a girl in an establishment where 2000 THB is the standard fee for social / sexual services then that is the fee she will quote you and accept. Has anyone gone into Heaven Above and gotten BBBJ, Boom Boom and CIM finish for less than 2000 THB?

Lastly the types of services vary with the individual girl that is providing the social / sexual services:


I was in Pattaya last week and had no problems at all to find young (below 30), slim, attractive freelancers on Thai Friendly, who were willing to do everything without condom. So not just BBBJ but also BBFS, and the majority of them with CIP.I am in Pattaya right now and my experiences are exactly the same as Mogwai and for the cost of 1200 THB - 2000 THB for short time.

The defense rests!

[LittleBigMan]

This was more of an immigration issue than a prostitution issue, but full credit for a two for one deal. According the reports I saw there were NO Thai ladies arrested.Here is how things works here for me, I'm not going to throw out Stats, where I got it, from who I got it, and when!

I once was briefed at a meeting as to how Pattaya is funded along with the rest of the country. With all the Hotels, tourist although Pattaya gets more money due to the fact they are part of the economy zone cities. Majority is based on actual register resident that being said not every Thai is register with the City I take at guess that at least 30% isn't. All the so call hotel tax doesn't mean it all stays in pattaya, Ten years ago, I was told officially there were only 350 government jobs in Pattaya, we are talking cops, fire, garbage, immigration, Doctors, nurses, impossible right! Majority are contracted when the register population grows so do that number by how much anyone guess? But last year reported budget for 2025 will be 19 Billion in which 16 is already accounted for do the math and that means 16 billion already taken for endless road word, garbage, police, wages that leaves 3 billion for new or emergency projects. So if beach road year after year 1 billion is allocated means a few millions taken off the top each year for the top dogs.

All smoke and mirrors no matter how you look at it, whether it be raids on Immigration or rounding up girls on Beach Road, cause a visit is going to be made each year. They don't have the resources and structural setup they want to be part of the International community doing so they get funding just like 10-15 million each year from the W. H. O. To fix being one of the worse countries to drive yet what do we see, signs! Does one really think an honest attempt is being made majority of money is all being pocketed.

So, when it comes to rounding up Immigration ladies working it is all smoke and mirriors, someone complaint because of that this is their solution. But since they have made it so easy for people to enter this country and stay should it be any surprise this is happening today, Before Covid, in Bangkok, Nigeria workers were all over Nana, then a complain in arrest and research realized majority of them were coming in on Student visa's after more digging the story always goes dead why it reaches names so high the story gets shut down.

The media here is under the control of the government they taper their writing to a point you never see real follow ups, digging expect anything like a 60 minute report don't hold your breath. Just a year ago and it was happening for years. The Chinese Triads had taken over half of the 72 provinces in Thailand the biggest ring was happening here in Pattaya, two of the largest entertainment building behind Big see, near Hollywood and Dilfer were taken over by one of the biggest bosses we are talking huge payments to the BIB Soi 9, Banglamung and the head man in Chon Buri, which Pattaya is part. Immigration in BKK, and Pattaya were handling out visa like candy. The Boss himself married the fat pig daughter of a General so he could operate freely being introduced to some of the richest faction in Thailand society to front their their money wasting in marrying he was given also Thai Citizenship This boss got so big and bold he brought in his own Chinese soldiers, even Chinese girls from the Mainland. My cousin flew in from H. K for one of his gatherings he told me it was like a scene from a Godfather movie he was running everything drugs, gambling, all under the usual name of import / export.

Before the raid, he got plenty of noticed and took off, in the raid it all started to unravel, but after the media write up for month it all gets shut down it goes too high up! The quietly replaced in Jomtien all the officials at the immigration in Jomtien. But now it is back to business as usual. So what you are talking is small stuff, it is all show and tell, some example's will be made but business as usual Laws are to be broken here. When there are raids here for Thais on Beach road, unless they are found with drugs pay a bit and go out and do it again. it Is recorded in a book not some computer, those who can pay, slip it under the table. I've knows a few girls on the Darkside, decent lookers police come to their club, arrest them papers not in order same as you haven't filled the Brown envelope enough. How they get out calls the Farang manager for example 50,000, do have negotiate, can't settle girls want out, police licks his chops makes a personal offer, let you out, tomorrow you meet me for dinner and suck my dick after. I take a guess majority of these Thai clubs, are owned by groups of Thai police same with majority of the gambling houses.

We can talk law all you guys want but the problem isn't the law. The only time you are going to get arrested is if you put yourself in a position to be arrested like so many fools, is stand on beach pull down your pants and billboard yourself, same as these stories of Russian having sex on the beach Stuff. You got to be pretty stupid to get arrested here. LOL.

Happy New Year fellas from LBM!

[MoonShot]

I don't try to overthink Pattata, Come over and try to have a good time. Drink, party, eat some good food and have sex with young attractive women. That's all the thinking I do about Pattaya. Ha ha ha.

[Gilolo]

Me too, right now I'm in Pattaya and I've no problems to fuck thai girls barbeack! Everyday I start around 4 pm in SOi 6 and I fuck 1 or 2 ladies there bareback then I go eat and finish the night in a gogo or bar in Soi Bukhao or Walking street or anywhere in Pattaya. I do only BBFS with young sexy ladies between 18 to 25. Spend between 7000 to 10 000 bahts per day!


Which freelancers are you talking about exactly? From Beach Road? Clubs? Thai Friendly? I was in Pattaya last week and had no problems at all to find young (below 30), slim, attractive freelancers on Thai Friendly, who were willing to do everything without condom. So not just BBBJ but also BBFS, and the majority of them with CIP.

[Mystic23]

I searched through Pattaya reports but couldn't find any posts referencing edging. Wondering if any of the senior members here know of any ladies, freelancers, or masseuse, that knows how to provide great edging service through BBBJ and HJ? Many thanks in advance!

[Mystic23]

Me too, right now I'm in Pattaya and I've no problems to fuck thai girls barbeack! Everyday I start around 4 pm in SOi 6 and I fuck 1 or 2 ladies there bareback then I go eat and finish the night in a gogo or bar in Soi Bukhao or Walking street or anywhere in Pattaya. I do only BBFS with young sexy ladies between 18 to 25. Spend between 7000 to 10 000 bahts per day!I agree. Never had any problems BBFS ladies from TF, gogo, or gents club. No pre-discussions or extra tips. It just happens naturally if you treat them well in bed. Just like you, I primarily see spinners between age of 18 22. Vast majority of the time the ladies just hop on BB without being prompted.

[Philip Marlow]

Here is how things works here for me, I'm not going to throw out Stats, where I got it, from who I got it, and when!

I once was briefed at a meeting as to how Pattaya is funded along with the rest of the country....That's a lot of interesting information you posted. Thanks.

[Boyo544]

Hi all,

Long time reader. First time poster.

I frequented Thailand a decade ago, so although I know the score, can you give me a few pointers on TF.

I'm heading there again in early March.

A lot of good TF advice in these pages, and in accordance with the same advice, I'm not going to beat about the Bush. I'll make my requests up front & clear.

I plan to pick up a TF chick for a 3-night stint in a decent resortish hotel in Pattaya.

Would the following be realistic requests to ask in a first contact message to them on TF?

- 100% women only.

- take a standard STD test in advance with printout in English (I can pay for it. Obvs only for all-clear ones &#128540.

- list of requests (eg Nuru massage, anal play).

- thinking of proposing bed & board and 1,500 BHT per day with a 1500 bht tip after the 3 days predicated on how they met my requests.

(entering off-season is helping dictate pricing here).

- energetic & active in bed. Not starfish.

Basically I want to know would the above frighten off the younger chicks or are they non-runners?

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks all.

[LittleBigMan]

I don't try to overthink Pattata, Come over and try to have a good time. Drink, party, eat some good food and have sex with young attractive women. That's all the thinking I do about Pattaya. Ha ha ha.Yes, yes, legal or not that his exactly what one should do.

[Boyo544]

Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I used to frequent Thailand a lot a decade ago, and I'm looking to go again next March.

I'm liking what I see about Thai friendly. And I'm looking to pick up a girl for a three day stint in a decent resortish hotel with poolside bar in Pattaya.

I've seen a lot of advice about TF and will be looking to be direct and clear in my initial communication.

To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?

- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.

- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.

- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.

- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.

(price seems reasonable as it is entering the off-season).

Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.

[UglyAzzMan]

I'm starting to think there is a You Tuber mafia operating. You better not get out of line. People are Watching.

No this doesn't apply to fat farang tourist women filming Soi 6 the past few dsys. If I see one I cover my face. Hahaha.

You know that crippled lady on Walk Street selling 20 baht item. She was dropped off near beach road McDonalds in a big Luxury car. Definitely Mafia Business these Beggars.

[Mr Enternational]

I plan to pick up a TF chick for a 3-night stint in a decent resortish hotel in Pattaya.I think it is a ridiculous idea. I am going to get online and look for a cook for 3 days. I want them to know how to make lasagna, french toast, pina colada, and stir fry. They come over and the lasagna is overcooked, the pina colada is too sweet, they use brown rice in the stir fry, and after they wash the dishes they are still greasy.

You do not know anything about the person or if you will have any chemistry. Just because they agree to a list, does not mean it would be to your liking. Many times on ISG it has been suggested to spend some time with the person seeing if they are a match, instead of blindly agreeing to several days just because they said you could fuck them in the ass and would massage you with some gel.

[Mystic23]

To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?
- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.
- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.
- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.I highly doubt you will get any responses with this line of questioning. Ladies on TF generally only respond to messages asking "can you come over now?" And "how much for ST or LT?" No one is going to discuss their STD history with you much less share a test report. I also doubt any of them would know what "nuru" is. I have never even seen massage places in Pattaya use actual nuru gel. Soap yes, nuru no.

[Explorer8939]

Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I used to frequent Thailand a lot a decade ago, and I'm looking to go again next March.

I'm liking what I see about Thai friendly. And I'm looking to pick up a girl for a three day stint in a decent resortish hotel with poolside bar in Pattaya.

I've seen a lot of advice about TF and will be looking to be direct and clear in my initial communication.

To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?

- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.

- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.

- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.

- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.

(price seems reasonable as it is entering the off-season).

Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.A non-starter.

In real life, what you should do is go to Pattaya, try out some ladies, and then invite one for your 3 day fantasy.

TF is only useful if you are looking for a lady right now. Not tomorrow, not next week. No lady knows if she is going to get a customer tonight who barfines her for a week.

[HorseTrader]

I'm liking what I see about Thai friendly. And I'm looking to pick up a girl for a three day stint in a decent resortish hotel with poolside bar in Pattaya.
ThaiFriendly has hookers who want to meet today (or maybe tomorrow), it also has non-hookers who want to get to know a you and eventually have a lifetime relationship with you and your money. Very few of them have the English skills to read and comprehend the text that you suggest. That's just for starters, next consider that 1,500 baht per day is low and that nuru and anal play and STD testing would make your offer less attractive. Don't expect early March to get a low season girl discount, I'm currently booking my March trip and finding multiple hotels fully booked.

[Mr Enternational]

I also doubt any of them would know what "nuru" is. I have never even seen massage places in Pattaya use actual nuru gel. Soap yes, nuru no.The soapies have nuru now. Just something for them to be able to charge extra for. Before that some massage place on Soi Lengkee had it years ago, but that place closed down. Probably because nobody was trying to pay 2000 baht for a nuru massage.

[UglyAzzMan]

ThaiFriendly has hookers who want to meet today (or maybe tomorrow), it also has non-hookers who want to get to know a you and eventually have a lifetime relationship with you and your money. Very few of them have the English skills to read and comprehend the text that you suggest. That's just for starters, next consider that 1,500 baht per day is low and that nuru and anal play and STD testing would make your offer less attractive. Don't expect early March to get a low season girl discount, I'm currently booking my March trip and finding multiple hotels fully booked.1,500 a day. His Heores are the BBC and Mr E.

I swear people think they are GOD getting such low pricing. Hahaha. Hahaha. LOL. Hahaha.

[Werqweq]

Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I used to frequent Thailand a lot a decade ago, and I'm looking to go again next March.

I'm liking what I see about Thai friendly. And I'm looking to pick up a girl for a three day stint in a decent resortish hotel with poolside bar in Pattaya.

I've seen a lot of advice about TF and will be looking to be direct and clear in my initial communication.

To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?

- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.

- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.

- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.

- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.

(price seems reasonable as it is entering the off-season).

Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.What I think? I think girls will be lining up around the block for a chance to get 1500 per day spent getting fucked in the ass, massaging you, and enjoying what is no doubt your pleasant company for 24 hours a day. With you even including bed and boarding, that is, they will not have to pay their own 50% for the room you'll be staying in together, it will sound like the deal of the decade to most of these girls.

Too avoid girls only in it for the money, and too reduce the amount of offers you get to something manageable, as no doubt the offers /will/ be pouring in, I suggest you insist on them paying for their half of the room during that three day stint, but you will pay for the food, within reasonable means.

[Expat American]

Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I used to frequent Thailand a lot a decade ago, and I'm looking to go again next March.

I'm liking what I see about Thai friendly. And I'm looking to pick up a girl for a three day stint in a decent resortish hotel with poolside bar in Pattaya.

I've seen a lot of advice about TF and will be looking to be direct and clear in my initial communication.

To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?

- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.

- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.

- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.

- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.

(price seems reasonable as it is entering the off-season).

Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.Please don't overpay and spoil it for the rest of us. 800 B should be more than enough per day for your totally reasonable requests. After all they will get to sleep in an AC room on a soft bed. Hell, they should be paying you. Millionaire mongers like you are really spoiling Thailand.

[UglyAzzMan]

Things are a changing.

Approach buy 3 dirty people asking for money. All Scruffy Thais.

I'm seeing Homeless all over Pattaya.

All because the village clown refuse to pay Fair. 500 baht. LOL. Hahaha.

[Intrepid123]

To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?

- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.
- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.
- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.
- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.


Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.What I think? Your prices are off by 10 years and 90% of the ladies will block you within minutes for being a time waster and low baller as soon as they see this list of requirements.

[Paolo99]

The soapies have nuru now. Just something for them to be able to charge extra for. Before that some massage place on Soi Lengkee had it years ago, but that place closed down. Probably because nobody was trying to pay 2000 baht for a nuru massage.The problem is probably more about the very lame service provided than the money spent.

People don't want to spend 2 K on something inexistent, that's for sure.

If they were providing a real nuru B2B they wouldn't have enough girls providing all the potential customers.

We've seen it all over BKK, only 1 or 2 places are said to provide real nuru B2B (Mitu and Dokidoki, and not even all their girls are able to give a good service), every others tried to scam people, writing nuru on the card, charging much more for nothing, because the girls don't have the ability to make a proper nuru B2B.

[MongerUnleash]

Hi all,


- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.

Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.I went to Pattaya last January and on the basis of the recommendations I got I offered 2. 5 k for full night to girls from TF. I was having a hard time getting good talent. This time I plan to offer 3. 5 k for the same.

I am looking for slim / petite girls under 25. Seniors, please let me know if the amount is adequate or should I offer more. I am looking for 3 rounds with BJs. It would be a plus in my books if the girl like to go out with me for playing pool or some other fun activities.

Looking forward to your suggestions and advice.

MU.

[UglyAzzMan]

The problem is probably more about the very lame service provided than the money spent.

People don't want to spend 2 K on something inexistent, that's for sure.

If they were providing a real nuru B2B they wouldn't have enough girls providing all the potential customers.

We've seen it all over BKK, only 1 or 2 places are said to provide real nuru B2B (Mitu and Dokidoki, and not even all their girls are able to give a good service), every others tried to scam people, writing nuru on the card, charging much more for nothing, because the girls don't have the ability to make a proper nuru B2B.Plus providers are mostly old and uglee.

[UglyAzzMan]

What I think? Your prices are off by 10 years and 90% of the ladies will block you within minutes for being a time waster and low baller as soon as they see this list of requirements.The tip is impressive. 33%.

Imagine being a bargirl an you had to put up with this khrap. I like a girl at Palace but mostly because she has nice tit's I like to see.

[SubCmdr]

1,500 a day. His Heores are the BBC and Mr E. I swear people think they are GOD getting such low pricing. Hahaha. Hahaha. LOL. Hahaha.The Cmdr's thoughts on the subject


One of the things I have noticed here on ISG is that the individuals who comment negatively on the amounts that others spend usually do not have have flow that allows them to develop their stack for their International Trickin activities that they prefer.

More importantly they don't understand basic economics. They make statements as if one transaction that they think was a overpayment will change the entire pussy market. That cannot happen in any market. But because these individuals do not understand market forces in general they do not understand that one individual transaction between two people cannot by itself change the marketplace.

Of course, higher price means the person who paid it felt it provided value to get what they wanted. How does the money anyone spends in a club where someone else is not in or does not go affect any other person?Mr E makes an offer and the girl accepts it. Can someone please give me some insights into exactly what is the problem with methods or his price point?

He even has shared with us that he only pays 16.67% less for short time than he does for longtime. I don't have to be someone's fan boy or constant critic in order to acknowledge actionable intelligence when I see it. If I did long time Mr E's price point on Thai Friendly would be my opening offer.

[MoonShot]

What I think? Your prices are off by 10 years and 90% of the ladies will block you within minutes for being a time waster and low baller as soon as they see this list of requirements.At 1500 baht I am lucky to get a young attractive girl to accept ST. Most bar girls and Soi 6 girls now are expecting at least 1500 for short time. So I don't think they would be very excited about your offer. They can make more elsewhere but there might be older girls or less attractive girls interested. I agree that this is an offer that might have been attractive 10 years ago.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I went to Pattaya last January and on the basis of the recommendations I got I offered 2. 5 k for full night to girls from TF. I was having a hard time getting good talent. This time I plan to offer 3. 5 k for the same.

I am looking for slim / petite girls under 25. Seniors, please let me know if the amount is adequate or should I offer more. I am looking for 3 rounds with BJs. It would be a plus in my books if the girl like to go out with me for playing pool or some other fun activities.

Looking forward to your suggestions and advice.

MU.That amount should be much more than adequate. If not, move on to someone else. Check thaiflirting as well, not just thaifriendly. Also badoo.com and the Litmatch app but be preparing for having to do a lot of translating there.

[UglyAzzMan]

The Cmdr's thoughts on the subject

Mr E makes an offer and the girl accepts it. Can someone please give me some insights into exactly what is the problem with methods or his price point?

He even has shared with us that he only pays 16.67% less for short time than he does for longtime. I don't have to be someone's fan boy or constant critic in order to acknowledge actionable intelligence when I see it. If I did long time Mr E's price point on Thai Friendly would be my opening offer.The problem is he doesn't acknowledge he goes for low quality just like you.

[SaturnDays]

I have been to Pattya few times and this is the first time visiting Pattaya on June. Is this the off season? Is that raining season?

Let me know pros and cons of visiting during off season?

[SubCmdr]

The problem is he doesn't acknowledge he goes for low quality just like you.Please define low quality? Other than your personal opinion what evidence do you have to support your statement? Have you ever seen a girl that I have hired to be my prostitute?

[Rocko20]

- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.That might work in 2007. Its now 2025 and only an old, desperate, ugly WG with bad service would agree to that. Many beach road streewalkers can make 1500 in 1 hour.

Price is about supply and demand. You cannot ask for a dime piece stunner model with excellent service and massages who agrees to anal, at 1 hour streetwalker prices. It doesn't match reality.

I've attached a picture of a freelancer I met at insomnia and took home several times about 9 years ago, I have no idea what happened to her or where she went since about 6 year ago. But my point is when you're looking for the best of the best, they're not going to agree to rock bottom prices.

[Explorer8939]

I have been to Pattya few times and this is the first time visiting Pattaya on June. Is this the off season? Is that raining season?

Let me know pros and cons of visiting during off season?June: still lots of ladies left over from High Season, but now they are getting desperate.

It might rain a bit in the late afternoon.

Lots of hotels available.

[KrumeLurer]

That might work in 2007. Its now 2025 and only an old, desperate, ugly WG with bad service would agree to that. Many beach road streewalkers can make 1500 in 1 hour.

Price is about supply and demand. You cannot ask for a dime piece stunner model with excellent service and massages who agrees to anal, at 1 hour streetwalker prices. It doesn't match reality.

I've attached a picture of a freelancer I met at insomnia and took home several times about 9 years ago, I have no idea what happened to her or where she went since about 6 year ago. But my point is when you're looking for the best of the best, they're not going to agree to rock bottom prices.If he really looks for it then he might find a women from 35 and up that might agree to that. She gets a trip and vacation as well. Thais themselves pay women in that age 1500 for a night. Might even be 1000 in some parts of Thailand. And don't make it sound like all women on beach road or pattayas bars are drowning in customers. This is not the case. There are proberbly some women that will be happy to take his offer. But most likely not a younger and cuter one.

[KrumeLurer]

At 1500 baht I am lucky to get a young attractive girl to accept ST. Most bar girls and Soi 6 girls now are expecting at least 1500 for short time. So I don't think they would be very excited about your offer. They can make more elsewhere but there might be older girls or less attractive girls interested. I agree that this is an offer that might have been attractive 10 years ago.They might be expecting 1500 but there are some that accept 1000-1200 as well. They try the higher prices but will likely accept lower prices. Its not like there are drowes of guys paying every women 2 k for 30 minutes.

[UglyAzzMan]

I have been to Pattya few times and this is the first time visiting Pattaya on June. Is this the off season? Is that raining season?

Let me know pros and cons of visiting during off season?Another issue when people post Khrap.

Low season is not that much different from High season.

Rainy season might be an issue. It does rain. Hahaha.

New years might be an issue. It actually is Busy.

[UglyAzzMan]

Last night at OnShore soi 6 I saw the biggest Tower Bought.

Looks Impressive and expensive. I'm Happy people were supporting the Bar. Hahaha.

[Rambo1969]

I just returned from a great week in Pattaya.

I am dark skinned Indian who lives in the USA.

When I visited Bangkok about 20 years ago discrimination by gals in clubs was huge.

I found discrimination to be equally high at SOI 6 clubs in Pattaya. I was NOT welcomed as I walked down Soi 6 like the white guys were warmly welcomed. This was very hurtful and made me resent Soi 6.

Fortunately there was far less discrimination on beach road.

I was able to have great sessions at reasonable prices from gals on beach road. 800 bhat / HR or 1200 Bhat for 2 hrs.

I am interested in sensual experience. Not just F'ing.

What I did not like about 'short time' service on beach road is that most would not agree to the entire hour being my time. They kept saying 'one shot' and they are done.

What I want it the full hour is mine, start with play time for the first 30 minutes before serious sex and most of the good looking gals on beach road would not accept that.

But enough cuties accepted it that I ultimately had a great time. After struggling to find the ones that agree to my terms.

Prices less than half what I normally pay in Tijuana. So prices in Pattaya are great to my usual stomping ground.

Will only return as a stopover between India and USA. Would not make the trip from USA. Too far!

I loved the beach and beach scene in Pattaya. And the fact that it is lit up at night is awesome and makes Pattaya very very special.

So, I may seriously consider retiring in Pattaya.

[JSmithJ88]

Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I used to frequent Thailand a lot a decade ago, and I'm looking to go again next March.

I'm liking what I see about Thai friendly. And I'm looking to pick up a girl for a three day stint in a decent resortish hotel with poolside bar in Pattaya.

I've seen a lot of advice about TF and will be looking to be direct and clear in my initial communication.

To this end, can you please advise if any of my requests or message below would be received well by TF girls or would be non-starters?

- A recent STD test report in English the price to be covered by me.

- A list of requests including nuru massage and anal play.

- A request that the girls be active and energetic and not starfish.

- For pricing, bed and board for three nights, 1500 bht per day plus a tip of 1500 if the three day stint goes well.

(price seems reasonable as it is entering the off-season).

Thanks guys. Let me know what you think.Wahhhhahahahahaa.

This is the funniest thing I seen in a long time.

[ChoduMadan]

1500 a day for a dame with prescribed services and VDRL test. I have been to Pattaya few weeks back and TF was only app I used to get what I want, after a lot of chatting and aksing what I wanted and a young good looking girl I paid 2500 for first night as I wanted to try it out and once I liked, negotiated for 2 more days in Jomtien beach resort for 4 k per night, after a hard talking to more then 10-12 odd girls I think I paid a fair prices. This is my guess.


Hi all,

Long time reader. First time poster.

I frequented Thailand a decade ago, so although I know the score, can you give me a few pointers on TF.

I'm heading there again in early March.

A lot of good TF advice in these pages, and in accordance with the same advice, I'm not going to beat about the Bush. I'll make my requests up front & clear.

I plan to pick up a TF chick for a 3-night stint in a decent resortish hotel in Pattaya.

Would the following be realistic requests to ask in a first contact message to them on TF?

- 100% women only.

- take a standard STD test in advance with printout in English (I can pay for it. Obvs only for all-clear ones &#128540.

- list of requests (eg Nuru massage, anal play).

- thinking of proposing bed & board and 1,500 BHT per day with a 1500 bht tip after the 3 days predicated on how they met my requests.

(entering off-season is helping dictate pricing here).

- energetic & active in bed. Not starfish.

Basically I want to know would the above frighten off the younger chicks or are they non-runners?

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks all.

[Paolo99]

They might be expecting 1500 but there are some that accept 1000-1200 as well. They try the higher prices but will likely accept lower prices. Its not like there are drowes of guys paying every women 2 k for 30 minutes.It's 1 hour, why do you talk about 30 minute?

[CuriouSexplorer]

Hello.

I'm in Pattaya next week to plan a bachelor trip for a friend, on a sort of recce.

We will be about 12 guys coming for 4-5 days sometime in Feb, and since I was in the region mid-January, I thought I'll pop over to pattaya and do a little bit of exploring so that we can plan a proper trip.

Initially, I tried to find any agency etc which can do a full itinerary for us, including all exotic and erotic activities but could not really find anyone.

So just wanted to ask, if you'll could recommend the best couple of places for.

A. Normal Massages.

Be. Soapy / Nuru Massages.

See. BJ Bars.

The. Discos where we may take a girl previously booked.

E. gogo bars where we can have good drinks and then take girls.

F. service which can send girls to our villa on the days we want to party indoors only.

While we're not looking for top shelf, we're neither looking at the bottom of the barrel. Value-for-money would be our ideal.

I've read tons of reports, but its all over the place so I felt like asking straight off.

Thanks for the help in advance.

[Derkd]

Landed in Pattaya on the 24th, installed TF, and boom—90 matches in a day! Never felt so validated in my life. Took a shot with a baddie, Frah (24 F, Chiang Mai).

She seemed cool, quoted 2200 for LT, and genuinely down.

Things got disappointing as she kept postponing our meet-up from 10 PM to 11 to 12 because of a friend's mental breakdown (Pattaya vibes, I guess? Finally, we planned to meet outside Lucifer Go-Go. She suggested I come inside to join her and her friends. Big red flag popped in my head: "Am I about to fund a friend's drinks festival?" Politely noped out of that and asked if she still wanted to hang solo.

Fast forward: We're at at a motel recommended by her. She's shy but cool. First round was ahem brief, and let's just say Johnny didn't pack a raincoat. She laughed, "Why you guys never use condom?" I hit her with the classic: "I like it raw. ".

Then came the highlight: The massage. Turns out she's a masseuse by day, and boy, did she deliver. Tiny but mighty—my back's never felt better. Post-massage? Reels, horror Thai shows, and sleep (her on her phone, me snoring like a champ).

5 AM: Woke up with Johnny saluting like Burj Khalifa. Round two? Cardio king mode activated. Finished strong 40-45 minutes. Multiple positions, CIM. Slept till 9 then said our goodbyes, and walked out feeling like the protagonist of an action movie.

Damages:

LT: 2200 + 100 tip.

Room: 600.

Cab: 200.

[BionicMan]

People thinks that taking a girl "on vacation" (theirs, the punter), adding food and accommodation will lead to them to accept a minimal fee.

This might work on 5% of the cases. Girls picked up from TF or alikes are there to mak money, not holidays, so the majority looks for money (to spend for herself or send back to the family). It's the punter commodity to have her around full time and so take her along wherever he wants to spend his time.

There will be also other side spendings, as the girls like shopping when a farang is involved. They see it as a child ave to access something she dreams of and she will jump on the opportunity: bags, shoes.

So the whole picture described in the plan (looks like a business plan, a professional project) seems quite disillusioned to me.

[Rocko20]

If he really looks for it then he might find a women from 35 and up that might agree to that. She gets a trip and vacation as well. Thais themselves pay women in that age 1500 for a night. Might even be 1000 in some parts of Thailand. And don't make it sound like all women on beach road or pattayas bars are drowning in customers. This is not the case. There are proberbly some women that will be happy to take his offer. But most likely not a younger and cuter one.The question is not if he can find it, the question is at what cost. What WG is he willing to accept at that price point and how long is he willing to look for it? He can find it at beer bars but beer bars are still countless.

In my experience, only 1% of WGs are even worth having sex with so a good portion of you visit is just hunting. Let a lone agreeing to multiple days.

Hell, many mongers have even periodically gotten sex for free from freelancers (I've done it, many others have done it, some women like to do it to get you in a long term relationship), but that doesn't mean we want it. I didn't fly all the way to thailand to fuck the same WGs I did on my last trip.

[Safado70]

Yesterday, I had a girl at soi 6. I would call her a solid 7. Better looking than many in the soi, but nothing special. The session was good too. DFK, BBBJ, multiple positions. Good but nothing special. This is why I would expect her to charge more or less the going rate. We didn't discuss money before we went upstairs. After the session I've gave her 1500. But she asked for 2000. Because she seemed so certain and asked so naturally that I didn't try to negotiate and just paid her. To me it seems that 2000 is now the going rate, at least for the decent looking girls.

[Mr Enternational]

People thinks that taking a girl "on vacation" (theirs, the punter), adding food and accommodation will lead to them to accept a minimal fee.They will. The girls know the pay in Thailand. It is the punters that come in and think 1500 baht is small money, but it is a lotta bit to Thais. None of them are sending 100,000 baht home per month. A normal job pays like 10,000.


There will be also other side spendings, as the girls like shopping when a farang is involved. They see it as a child ave to access something she dreams of and she will jump on the opportunity: bags, shoes.I beg to differ. That is always the foreigner's idea, not the girls'. You know how many chicks have told me about foreigners forcing iphones on them? 20 years of going to Thailand and I have never had a chick ask me to buy her shit except food.


So the whole picture described in the plan (looks like a business plan, a professional project) seems quite disillusioned to me.I think the plan is easy, except he needs to have boots on the gound and meet someone he clicks with to do it. Not just go around to random people online with his checklist.

[Explorer8939]

They will. The girls know the pay in Thailand. It is the punters that come in and think 1500 baht is small money, but it is a lotta bit to Thais. None of them are sending 100,000 baht home per month. A normal job pays like 10,000.

I beg to differ. That is always the foreigner's idea, not the girls'. You know how many chicks have told me about foreigners forcing iphones on them? 20 years of going to Thailand and I have never had a chick ask me to buy her shit except food.

I think the plan is easy, except he needs to have boots on the gound and meet someone he clicks with to do it. Not just go around to random people online with his checklist.I pay 2000 LT for relatively short periods of time.

I pay 1000 a day for for multi-week periods.

In between, I pay on a sliding scale, maybe 10,000 a week.

I don't take the lady shopping, except in emergencies. One time, a lady's cell phone died in Argentina, and I bought her a cheap Samsung.

[Paolo99]

Yesterday, I had a girl at soi 6. I would call her a solid 7. Better looking than many in the soi, but nothing special. The session was good too. DFK, BBBJ, multiple positions. Good but nothing special. This is why I would expect her to charge more or less the going rate. We didn't discuss money before we went upstairs. After the session I've gave her 1500. But she asked for 2000. Because she seemed so certain and asked so naturally that I didn't try to negotiate and just paid her. To me it seems that 2000 is now the going rate, at least for the decent looking girls.Price should always be discussed with the girl before going upstairs with her.

Not all the girls are quoting the same price, and at this period, they are charging more than in low season.

[Explorer8939]

18 months plus of being posted up in Pattaya and I have not had a girl ask me to buy her anything. In general it is not something I have found that Thai Girls do. I have had a couple of loan requests which I shut down immediately. But I do have one girl that I will buy things for when she asks me.

A mental attitude of poverty is deeply embedded among many of the posters here. Example below:



That is what your stack is for.I didn't come to Pattaya to try to outspend Koreans to get a lady. If I wanted to throw money at ladies, I could have just stayed in Tijuana, Mexico and paid $150 for a ST for a silicon enhanced Mexicana.

Pattaya does have its attractions outside of bars and bargirls, but if it becomes too expensive, I am out of here.

[Turgid]

I just returned from a great week in Pattaya.

I am dark skinned Indian who lives in the USA.

When I visited Bangkok about 20 years ago discrimination by gals in clubs was huge.

I found discrimination to be equally high at SOI 6 clubs in Pattaya. I was NOT welcomed as I walked down Soi 6 like the white guys were warmly welcomed. This was very hurtful and made me resent Soi 6.

Fortunately there was far less discrimination on beach road.

I was able to have great sessions at reasonable prices from gals on beach road. 800 bhat / HR or 1200 Bhat for 2 hrs.

I am interested in sensual experience. Not just F'ing.

What I did not like about 'short time' service on beach road is that most would not agree to the entire hour being my time. They kept saying 'one shot' and they are done.

What I want it the full hour is mine, start with play time for the first 30 minutes before serious sex and most of the good looking gals on beach road would not accept that.

But enough cuties accepted it that I ultimately had a great time. After struggling to find the ones that agree to my terms.

Prices less than half what I normally pay in Tijuana. So prices in Pattaya are great to my usual stomping ground.

Will only return as a stopover between India and USA. Would not make the trip from USA. Too far!

I loved the beach and beach scene in Pattaya. And the fact that it is lit up at night is awesome and makes Pattaya very very special.

So, I may seriously consider retiring in Pattaya.Did you try Thai Friendly?

[Rambo1969]

Did you try Thai Friendly?Nope. I was not there long enough to go that route. I was too busy the entire time.

[XXL]

My hotel is on Beach Road so exceptionnaly I decided to go there for an early night walk. Half past eight was too soon: hardly any action. At a quarter past ten there was some action, but nothing to write home about. Maybe 5 girls I'd rate doable. The usual trannies. I say "usual" because there seemed to be also a lack of new talent among the trannies.

A week or so ago the mainstream Thailand press reported that police in Pattaya had rounded up the black girls. The assumption (the hope) that they would be released after paying bribes could be wrong. I saw only one black girl on my walk. She was one I'd never spotted before so perhaps she landed after the police raid. Were the black girls rounded up at the behest of the Thai girls? If so one more reason to stay away from Beach Road. Staying away will not be difficult for me, from past experience and from what I saw today. The walk as such was not even pleasant in spite of Thailand's mild Januray temperature. Too many prowling men. The ubiquitous smell of rotting garbage. The blind and otherwise handicapped beggers playing blaring music.

[Werqweq]

I beg to differ. That is always the foreigner's idea, not the girls'. You know how many chicks have told me about foreigners forcing iphones on them? 20 years of going to Thailand and I have never had a chick ask me to buy her shit except food.
They don't ask you because they know you'll just laugh at them. It's different for others.



I think the plan is easy, except he needs to have boots on the gound and meet someone he clicks with to do it. Not just go around to random people online with his checklist.Yes, if you click with a girl it's doable. Some random farang dude sending that list to random girls on thaifriendly, hoping to find some girl who will be ready to show him the std results she paid for in advance when his flight from Alabama lands, before getting fucked in the ass by him, and spending the next three days massaging and continuing getting fucked in the ass by him for 1500?
Might this be one of the rare examples, outside of quantum physics, of something having a negative probability?

[Allover]

I didn't come to Pattaya to try to outspend Koreans to get a lady. If I wanted to throw money at ladies, I could have just stayed in Tijuana, Mexico and paid $150 for a ST for a silicon enhanced Mexicana.

Pattaya does have its attractions outside of bars and bargirls, but if it becomes too expensive, I am out of here.I haven't been to Tijuana in a while. I used to always pay $80 at Adelita's. I wonder if they ever reopened? Pattaya has so many different venues for ladies and accommodation I don't think it can get too expensive. Not for another 10 years. After that you never know. Walking street go gos used to be very reasonably priced so I guess anything is possible.

Some fools have to outspend Koreans to get a girl because they have no game and dress funny. Black dress shoes and shorts. Or cheap Biaggi shoes you can buy everywhere in town. And they are likely to stay in Pattaya because of legal issues they have in their country of origin.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

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[SubCmdr]

Why some people cannot mind their own business until the are able to get laid I again I have not idea. I guess just walking around with a hard dick and full ball grates on the mental state of some people. Allover is one of those people.

Where are at right now Allover? I am in Pattaya, Thailand. If I had to guess your are somewhere in sex prison in (insert country of origin). Are you looking forward for your new president elect to make your country great for your people again? Have you already purchased a new white hoodie? Get that bad boy pressed and contact Nee-haw because he is coming back from Cambodia in order to celebrate with you.


Those Lotus Biscoff brand cookies are great. Very addictive.The only thing I am addicted to is pussy ya *****. You are addicted to your hand!


But you bought a lot of cookies I'm guessing at Villa Market.You are wrong. Guess again?


You should find Villa Market for farang food after you get settled in.I have spent more nights in Thailand than you have. You are the reading my reports for information. Tell me why should I do that. Although I have to admit you have passed one some good information about shoes. LOL!


Are you telling you dont spend any money while in Thailand? I cannot go out for less than 3500 THB. Sometimes that includes a booty bill some times it does not. I was just in Heaven Above the night before NYE and I spent 10,000. I picked up everything at the table, set ups, Lady Drinks for the girl entertaining him, Lady Drinks for my girls. I keep them flowing. She was like I'm a little drunk. The Tequila got me. It was her choice she requested them.

I still had my two bottles. There is a enough for one more party before I have to re-up. In case you forgot it I got the Goose and the Makers working. Mamason drinks vodka and cranberry. Bought her a drink. She did not like the house brand while she was at my table. I was like pour up the The Goose and mix it up with he cranberry. I like the same thing.

You know what they say: Goose got me loose!

That includes the bar fine and her fee for the night. We were in my room by 0000 and she rolled out at 0750. I checked my watch as she left out the door. Two BBBJCIM one CFS Boom Boom. Based on her request and my personal limitations. My dick still works so I can pound away on that nasty thing while wearing a condom. Plus I keep a water based lube because they can dry some girls up. This was not a problem for here. If you had a pin hole camera somewhere in my room you might have saw my head between her legs and her twisting and turning while making sexy noises as she orgasmed twice and her squirt wound up on my face both times. I am not saying that happened. Just that you might have seen that if you had the right surveillance equipment in my room. It was the second best experience that I have ever had since I have been posted up in Pattaya. She had a gorgeous body and treated me even better like an absolute KING! She made us coffee in the morning and over coffee we discussed how things worked in the club and her personal finances. DAMN! Those Jedi Mind Tricks I have been studying are working.


Will you be taking them to your gentleman club manager? No, only sorry ass mother fuckers such as yourself do things like that.


Or giving them to the girls in the hopes they'll turn down a Korean to hang with your sorry azz?Did you enjoy beating your dick while reading my reports?


When Japanese and Korean guys are present, the rest of us have problems competing with them too.Funny that a Korean was sat at my table and even his girls were paying attention to me and my friend. I had the bottle and the set ups and my girls were receiving the lady drinks like they were flowing out of a water faucet.

Mind your own money and pay attention to your own dick Allover Nope I am not like you and this guy who both don't have the flow to support your stack and therefore pay much more attention to those like me who do.


I didn't come to Pattaya to try to outspend Koreans to get a lady. Pattaya does have its attractions outside of bars and bargirls, but if it becomes too expensive, I am out of here.You are hating a mother fucker Allover! Counting down the days until you get your next work release pass. Given the nature of your reports (all in Rants and no trip reports) you just another internet sock who is trolling me.

[Mr Enternational]

I haven't been to Tijuana in a while. I used to always pay $80 at Adelita's. I wonder if they ever reopened? Adelitas is permanently closed. I was in Hong Kong gentlemen's club in Tijuana in October and the girl said $120 plus $40 for the room. I can get a chick all night for 5 days in Pattaya with that kind of money. The street girls were still saying 200 pesos, which is $10. So that beats the $30 that the Beach Road chicks want. Thing is in Tijuana that a lot of guys like to pay with dollars so the girls will say $20 which is 400 pesos. The guys rip themselves off by not paying in pesos.

[Knobrm]

I beg to differ. That is always the foreigner's idea, not the girls'. You know how many chicks have told me about foreigners forcing iphones on them? 20 years of going to Thailand and I have never had a chick ask me to buy her shit except food.
Just like the sponsorship thingy, this proactive volunteering to buy expensive things to the simple country girls (the psychology of it) keeps bothering me as I just can't get it. Hope one day someone explains what happens in guy's head when those things happen.

As a prime example one of my regulars had a customer here staying for 60 days and she ended up staying with him most of that time (don't know the rate he paid). However, one day when she came by for a ST, noticed she has a new phone (as her old phone had cracked screen for quite a while). She told the man bought for her. I asked how much it cost. I was shocked to hear it was a new top of the line Samsung costing over 50 K! She said she did not ask for that, but the man just wanted to buy her that model. Couple of weeks later at an other visit, noticed she had new wheels on her car. She said the same man wanted to buy for her the alloy wheels and new tyres for her car.

Go Figure.

[Knobrm]

I pay 2000 LT for relatively short periods of time.

I pay 1000 a day for for multi-week periods.

In between, I pay on a sliding scale, maybe 10,000 a week.

I don't take the lady shopping, except in emergencies. One time, a lady's cell phone died in Argentina, and I bought her a cheap Samsung.Likewise, actually less than that until lately.

Re the OP, having a customer spec like that posted online for a short term deal is hard to see happening. On the ground no problem, just need time. However if you only have 3 days for the whole trip, it is as likely as online ordered custom made suit for an odd-shaped body fitting as well as Saville Row one with multiple fittings and adjustments.

[Werqweq]

Just like the sponsorship thingy, this proactive volunteering to buy expensive things to the simple country girls (the psychology of it) keeps bothering me as I just can't get it. Hope one day someone explains what happens in guy's head when those things happen.

As a prime example one of my regulars had a customer here staying for 60 days and she ended up staying with him most of that time (don't know the rate he paid). However, one day when she came by for a ST, noticed she has a new phone (as her old phone had cracked screen for quite a while). She told the man bought for her. I asked how much it cost. I was shocked to hear it was a new top of the line Samsung costing over 50 K! She said she did not ask for that, but the man just wanted to buy her that model. Couple of weeks later at an other visit, noticed she had new wheels on her car. She said the same man wanted to buy for her the alloy wheels and new tyres for her car.

Go Figure.You kind of make it sound like you have never bought anything nice for somebody you liked, if it keeps bothering you like that.

Guy spent two months with a girl, so he must have liked her. Saw she had a broken old phone, treated her to a new one. Maybe 50 k for him is not as much as you think.

[Knobrm]

You kind of make it sound like you have never bought anything nice for somebody you liked, if it keeps bothering you like that.

Guy spent two months with a girl, so he must have liked her. Saw she had a broken old phone, treated her to a new one. Maybe 50 k for him is not as much as you think.To be clear, I am not bothered by the guys buying, rather not really understanding their thinking when buying expensive things for a simple country girl hooker that wouldn't spend a day with him if he stops paying the daily / weekly / monthly rent. But you might well be right saying I am the odd one. To each of their own.

I asked her if she would rather prefer 10 k phone and 40+k in cash, and she told of course she would. But she said she was too shy to ask for that as he wanted to buy the phone. Not a first time I heard a girl saying this, they just scared the alternative request burns down the whole thing as a result of lost feeling on the mongers end. Actually she is now contemplating selling the phone at discount and still get a new phone and good cash pile.

Anyway, as Mr E said, often times it is the guys buying something expensive (relatively to the girls financial position) for these simple girls that they did not ask for and do not understand about, and would rather not spend the money for such things, though sure sometimes the hookers milking the benevolent mongers to the last drop.

[Paolo99]

Just like the sponsorship thingy, this proactive volunteering to buy expensive things to the simple country girls (the psychology of it) keeps bothering me as I just can't get it. Hope one day someone explains what happens in guy's head when those things happen.
Go Figure.It seems simple, the guy got emotionnally involved in his relationship with the prostitute.

He wants to make her at ease with him or reward her for the "privileged" relationship he is experiencing with her.

[SubCmdr]

rather not really understanding their thinking when buying expensive things for a simple country girl hooker that wouldn't spend a day with him if he stops paying the daily / weekly / monthly rent. But you might well be right saying I am the odd one. To each of their own.I don't understand the logic of others worrying about someone else's stack and how they spend it. Certain posters I have known for over 12 years have always had an excessive interest in what others spend and speaking about how he spends less. Personally I think people like that don't actually have any money. It is a poverty mentality that I personally disagree with.

My time; My money; My dick; My call!

Want to be International Tricks ought to worry about increasing their flow in their home countries so they can build their stack so they can engage in the International Trickin activities of their choice once they are wheels down at their destinations.

I am in a trading group. We buy and sell things all the time. We discuss entry and exit points. Not once (except for instance of poverty minded thinking detailed below) has anyone ever made a comment on my buy and sell points. You see that is not the point of the discussion. The point of the discussion it to learn how to make those decisions for ourselves.

Examples of Poverty Thinking


Mr E said, often times it is the guys buying something expensive (relatively to the girls financial position) for these simple girls that they did not ask for and do not understand about, and would rather not spend the money for such things


Just like the sponsorship thingy, this proactive volunteering to buy expensive things to the simple country girls (the psychology of it) keeps bothering me as I just can't get it. Hope one day someone explains what happens in guy's head when those things happen.How about a report where the individuals instead of worrying about others spend their stack actually file a report?

A report consists of the of the following information:

1. Where they hired their prostitute.

2. What social / sexual services their prostitute provided them?

3. How much they paid their prostitute?

Another example of Poverty Thinking


Some fools have to outspend Koreans to get a girl because they have no game and dress funny. Black dress shoes and shorts. Or cheap Biaggi shoes you can buy everywhere in town. And they are likely to stay in Pattaya because of legal issues they have in their country of origin.Here is an individual worried about how much someone has to pay in order to get the prostitute they desire. They are worrying about that while sitting in sex prison in their country of origin while others are in Thailand having fun actually fucking the prostitutes they are worried about how they're are paying for.

Just another example of small minded thinking. Although if you don't have the flow to build your stack I understand why people are always worried about how others spend theirs. It comes down to not having any of their own to spend. They read reports and hear things and think: If I had money like that I wouldn't spend it like that! How do you know if you never developed a flow to build and stack that would allow to your spent 50,000 THB in a manner you consider frivolous?

I happen to enjoy spending my stack in a way that I enjoy. Makes me feel good. 10000 THB the night before NYE partying up in Heaven Best. Second best sexual experience I have ever had in my entire 19 months of being in Pattaya. Guess what. The bar fine on NYE was 3000 THB for all the girls. That the costume for the night was sexy CoPlay and she still had to buy here outfit. I told her that I want to see a picture of her in it. On New Years Day we greeted each other. I asked where was my sexy picture. She told me that she never had to put on her outfit. NYE a customer bar fined her and she didn't even have to go into the club. Yes, the night the bar fine was 3000 plus her fee. He took her to dinner then fireworks. You see if I wanted to pay that I could have. But I didn't and therefore I am not wondering why someone else did.

Can everyone see the difference between how I have a mentality of abundance and others have a mentality of poverty? What happened to: It is better to give than to receive? Or do your change the rules when the girl is a prostitute?

[SubCmdr]

Is it ok with all of you to give a girl 100 THB for the moto taxi or 200 for a Bolt Car?

You are a a collective group a bunch of cheap ass (compound profanity deleted)!

Thai Friends girl just asked me for 2500 THB Short Time One shot.


Higher price does not mean Pretty.What do higher prices mean?


1000 baht does mean UGLY. Come on bro. Think.Are you sure about that?


I have an after hours girl from Soi 6 that suits me just fine. 1100 THB for a short time (2 -3 hours) that involves multiple orgasms for us both. I sourced her from Thai Friendly. Lots of BBBJ. Boom Boom, BBBJCIM, she is 26. She puts her own music on her phone on when she comes over. I actually have her send me her favorite YouTube sound tracks to me. She likes 808. She like the music I like.Who among us is going to say that my Soi 6 girls is low quality or ugly?

Another example of poverty thinking


Exactly. Some mongers try to impress girls. Some mongers even try to impress other mongers while talking about having a lot of money, a big dick, and claim they be ballin like a pro. These people usually don't have lots of money or a big dick despite their raving like lunatics. The point is the girls like it easy, fast, and want to be treated nicely. Which is why so many falang newcomers to Pattaya have trouble understanding the girls prefer Korean men.You simply cannot win with some posters. It really is not about money. It is about the fact that you are having fun and writing about it and they are not having any fun.

[BeachDrone]

You simply cannot win with some posters. It really is not about money. It is about the fact that you are having fun and writing about it and they are not having any fun.Agree. Poverty thinking takes away most of the fun. Instead of thinking about having fun, the poverty thinker is thinking about whether he got a good deal, or did someome get a better deal, what else can I do, what are her boundaries, etc. Having fun is first, all else falls away.

[Mr Enternational]

You kind of make it sound like you have never bought anything nice for somebody you liked, if it keeps bothering you like that.

Guy spent two months with a girl, so he must have liked her. Saw she had a broken old phone, treated her to a new one. Maybe 50 k for him is not as much as you think.We are talking about hookers here, not "some girl we liked. " I spent 2 months going to Starbucks for coffee every morning, yet nothing inside of me ever said I should buy the cashier a new laptop. But when paying a chick for sex, something goes off in some guys' heads saying he should shower her with unsolicited gifts in addition to paying the required fee for sex? Make that make sense.

[Turgid]

Agree. Poverty thinking takes away most of the fun. Instead of thinking about having fun, the poverty thinker is thinking about whether he got a good deal, or did someome get a better deal, what else can I do, what are her boundaries, etc. Having fun is first, all else falls away.Having been on ISG for many years I have been able to understand the motive behind the cheap charlies. It is not poverty or poverty thinking. These guys subconsciously resent women probably from having been snubbed by women too often back home, and having sex with women for as little as possible palliates their ill will.

[MoonShot]

I am in Pattaya now and I could care less what others are paying. It does not affect me in any way. I pay what I want to pay and that is all that matters. If you are paying less for the exact same girl for the exact same performance for the exact amount of time, more power to you. It doesn't matter to me. As others have said, it's my money and my time and I'll do what I want with it and no one's going to tell me how to spend my money. You should focus on yourself and stop worrying about what other people are paying.

[HorseTrader]

Having been on ISG for many years I have been able to understand the motive behind the cheap charlies. It is not poverty or poverty thinking. These guys subconsciously resent women probably from having been snubbed by women too often back home, and having sex with women for as little as possible palliates their ill will.I've occasionally been called "cheap Charlie" for refusal to buy her "sister" a drink or refusal to ring the bell. When I find a girl I like, I'll bar fine her and maybe pay more than necessary. I often tip mamasan if she has a good group of girls. I don't have any interest in getting the reputation of easy money. My being a cheap Charlie is unrelated to the things Turgid mentions.

But then again, I use Thai bars like I use hardware stores: start with a shopping list, browse the products, purchase what I want, and leave. I seldom hang around and chit chat at hardware stores or at Thai bars.

[Allover]

People with real money have enough sense not to brag about it. Just look at the Korean men in the clubs. Many of them gladly pay higher prices but you won't see them bragging about it. They just pay it and enjoy themselves. And the girls prefer them to even those dumb enough to try to outspend them. People that brag about things like their money, how much they spend in a club, or their dick size have temporarily escaped poverty and are on their way back to it.

[SubCmdr]

Example of Poverty Thinking


People with real money have enough sense not to brag about it. Just look at the Korean men in the clubs. Many of them gladly pay higher prices but you won't see them bragging about it. They just pay it and enjoy themselves. And the girls prefer them to even those dumb enough to try to outspend them. People that brag about things like their money, how much they spend in a club, or their dick size have temporarily escaped poverty and are on their way back to it.The OP is displaying all the aspects of poverty thinking as detailed below:


Agree. Poverty thinking takes away most of the fun. Instead of thinking about having fun, the poverty thinker is thinking about whether he got a good deal, or did someome get a better deal, what else can I do, what are her boundaries, etc. Having fun is first, all else falls away.The poster below makes the exact point that I make:


I am in Pattaya now and I could care less what others are paying. It does not affect me in any way. I pay what I want to pay and that is all that matters. If you are paying less for the exact same girl for the exact same performance for the exact amount of time, more power to you. It doesn't matter to me. As others have said, it's my money and my time and I'll do what I want with it and no one's going to tell me how to spend my money. You should focus on yourself and stop worrying about what other people are paying.The original OP can do their best to redefine what Poverty Thinking is. That is only because has a poverty mentality and cannot change his perspective and understand that he needs to stop worrying about others and pay more attention to having fun himself.

[Werqweq]

We are talking about hookers here, not "some girl we liked. " I spent 2 months going to Starbucks for coffee every morning, yet nothing inside of me ever said I should buy the cashier a new laptop. But when paying a chick for sex, something goes off in some guys' heads saying he should shower her with unsolicited gifts in addition to paying the required fee for sex? Make that make sense.Starbucks staff is not staying and sleeping with you for two months though, are they? They're someone you see and say hello to for a minute every morning.

Not too difficult to understand why the guy would feel somewhat less transactional towards a hooker who's been staying and going around with him for a month or two, as obviously they'll have to be doing something else than just fucking or drinking coffee all day for two months.

[Knobrm]

Starbucks staff is not staying and sleeping with you for two months though, are they? They're someone you see and say hello to for a minute every morning.

Not too difficult to understand why the guy would feel somewhat less transactional towards a hooker who's been staying and going around with him for a month or two, as obviously they'll have to be doing something else than just fucking or drinking coffee all day for two months.So "feeling less transactional" after having spent time with a hooker who would have left the day he'd have told her he don't want to pay her to stay longer is the explanation. Okay. There must be some longer psychological story for this. Wonder how that fits with the common economic theories.

How about for the sponsorship thingy, what are the grey cells doing in those guys heads when sending 10's or 100's of kbahts a month for the hookers that others keep fucking while they are out of the country? That is even more amazing behaviour to me. Not that I am complaining as I can enjoy the benefits locally.

[SubCmdr]

So "feeling less transactional" after having spent time with a hooker who would have left the day he'd have told her he don't want to pay her to stay longer is the explanation. Okay. There must be some longer psychological story for this. Wonder how that fits with the common economic theories.

How about for the sponsorship thingy, what are the grey cells doing in those guys heads when sending 10's or 100's of kbahts a month for the hookers that others keep fucking while they are out of the country? That is even more amazing behaviour to me. Not that I am complaining as I can enjoy the benefits locally.Why are you even using one grey cell to think about what another man is doing with his money or his dick?


You simply cannot win with some posters. It really is not about money. It is about the fact that you are having fun and writing about it and they are not having any fun.

[EihTooms]

So "feeling less transactional" after having spent time with a hooker who would have left the day he'd have told her he don't want to pay her to stay longer is the explanation. Okay. There must be some longer psychological story for this. Wonder how that fits with the common economic theories.

How about for the sponsorship thingy, what are the grey cells doing in those guys heads when sending 10's or 100's of kbahts a month for the hookers that others keep fucking while they are out of the country? That is even more amazing behaviour to me. Not that I am complaining as I can enjoy the benefits locally.Am I the only one who had a favorite frequent repeat hottie who did find an old USA dude sponsor who only comes to Thailand 1-2 weeks every few months, pays her monthly support and, I'll be damned if she doesn't honor his request not to have Real Sex with any of the customers she meets in the bar anymore? Not me nor any of her regulars from before she agreed to his offer.

She is still one of the most popular girls in the gogo bar. But ladydrinks only and I never see her leaving with amyone or on her way to and from a hotel except with that old dude whenever he is in town.

Maybe it works the way the sponsor wants it sometimes. Or maybe she just stopped fucking me and is still fucking everyone else on the sly.

[KrumeLurer]

We are talking about hookers here, not "some girl we liked. " I spent 2 months going to Starbucks for coffee every morning, yet nothing inside of me ever said I should buy the cashier a new laptop. But when paying a chick for sex, something goes off in some guys' heads saying he should shower her with unsolicited gifts in addition to paying the required fee for sex? Make that make sense.You are right but its in mens behavior to support women when sex is offered. I belive it comes from human prehistory.


It's 1 hour, why do you talk about 30 minute?What does it take to shower and fuck on soi 6? Is it really 60 min?


People with real money have enough sense not to brag about it. Just look at the Korean men in the clubs. Many of them gladly pay higher prices but you won't see them bragging about it. They just pay it and enjoy themselves. And the girls prefer them to even those dumb enough to try to outspend them. People that brag about things like their money, how much they spend in a club, or their dick size have temporarily escaped poverty and are on their way back to it.Koreans are not richer than other countries with similiar economies. They simply don't care about money and have a cheap flight. Also bear in minfd that Korea is on of the most indebted countries in the world. They have many cases each year of suicide becuase of debt. It would not surpirse me if soem of the koreans in Pattaya have loaned money to spend big in Pattaya to impress on thier friends. Ofc not all.

[Mr Enternational]

Starbucks staff is not staying and sleeping with you for two months though, are they? They're someone you see and say hello to for a minute every morning.No. Neither are they serving you your coffee because they really like you. They are doing it because they are getting paid for it. Same as the hooker. But for the cash, neither would be servicing you. But the one taking cash for giving you a blow job deserves more special treatment than the one taking cash for serving your coffee or doing any other service you are paying for?

[Explorer8939]

You are right but its in mens behavior to support women when sex is offered. I belive it comes from human prehistory.

What does it take to shower and fuck on soi 6? Is it really 60 min?

Koreans are not richer than other countries with similiar economies. They simply don't care about money and have a cheap flight. Also bear in minfd that Korea is on of the most indebted countries in the world. They have many cases each year of suicide becuase of debt. It would not surpirse me if soem of the koreans in Pattaya have loaned money to spend big in Pattaya to impress on thier friends. Ofc not all.Many Koreans are classic 2 week millionaires. They use all their savings during their time in Pattaya, and try to impress their friends by buying dozens of drinks for Soi 6 ladies. Because their friends know their wives, the Koreans are reluctant to go to the room with a lady, its "drinks only".

Having said that, there is at least one Korean bar on Third Road where Koreans go alone, and do barfine ladies. These are mostly guys who are in Pattaya longer than 2 weeks, and they often set up a lady as a Mia Noi for the time they are in Pattaya. But the behavior of those Koreans is different than the two week millionaires, they aren't showing off as much.

[Turgid]

I've occasionally been called "cheap Charlie" for refusal to buy her "sister" a drink or refusal to ring the bell. When I find a girl I like, I'll bar fine her and maybe pay more than necessary. I often tip mamasan if she has a good group of girls........You are certainly not a cheap charlie.

[Werqweq]

So "feeling less transactional" after having spent time with a hooker who would have left the day he'd have told her he don't want to pay her to stay longer is the explanation. Okay. There must be some longer psychological story for this. Wonder how that fits with the common economic theories.

How about for the sponsorship thingy, what are the grey cells doing in those guys heads when sending 10's or 100's of kbahts a month for the hookers that others keep fucking while they are out of the country? That is even more amazing behaviour to me. Not that I am complaining as I can enjoy the benefits locally.Yeah, I'm pretty sure if someone lived a couple of months with a hooker, most would start feeling somewhat less transactional about things. As it is, I've yet to pay anyone even for longtime, so it's rather unlikely to happen with me, but I can understand.

In all the sponsorship cases I've known, the guy believed, or at least pretended to believe, the girl was not banging others. One western guy had the girl move into another apartment (for which he paid the rent), so she could stay in the same building as some other girl he knew and who could "keep an eye" on his girl, while attending some make-up / cosmetics course he was paying for, and sending her 50,000 a month (this was up north, 10+ years ago, so it was a pretty good sum). I don't know wtf he was smoking as the other girl was working bar. His girl did indeed stop hooking afaik, though I met her at a regular disco one evening and from thereon out were banging her twice a week while her sponsor was away. Even had her repeat the std test after he left so I could keep banging her without a condom. In the end she ended the relationship with the sponsor because "she did not like him so much", even though it meant losing the 50 k a month + apartment rent. Before that she had been sponsored by some Japanese dude who had her stay at some high-end condo far away from the city centre, and which she also ended for similar reasons I think.

Another girl had her sponsor ring her while I had my dick in her mouth. He too believed she was not banging others, and I had to listen to a teary eyed story about how he was now working an extra job, shoveling snow at night, in order to be able to send her the monthly "salary". The girl was smiling and laughing at me while telling him that if he could not send her the salary it meant he did not really love her, and she would have to go with other men so she could send money to her parents (rather than get a normal job and send money to her parents). One of the few times I become too disgusted with a girl to want to fuck her, so quietly got dressed and left her room. Considered saying something aloud to the poor sucker on the phone, who was still proclaiming his love, before leaving, but I didn't want to keep having to watch my back for some crazy bar girl.

[Rocko20]

How about for the sponsorship thingy, what are the grey cells doing in those guys heads when sending 10's or 100's of kbahts a month for the hookers that others keep fucking while they are out of the country? That is even more amazing behaviour to me. Not that I am complaining as I can enjoy the benefits locally.Very simple. These people believe they can buy the loyalty and monogamy of a bar girl or sex worker, or better yet, prevent her from working at the bar or freelancing altogether by paying her with their supplemental income.

As we all know, that's a disaster waiting to happen. The first argument you get in, she's going right back to sex work while the dumb sponsor still sends her money to not engage in sex work.


We are talking about hookers here, not "some girl we liked. " But when paying a chick for sex, something goes off in some guys' heads saying he should shower her with unsolicited gifts in addition to paying the required fee for sex? Make that make sense.
If pornstars, strippers, and onlyfans “models” can find husbands and sponsor and boyfriends, why can’t sex workers? Content creators literally put a link in their bio to their amazon wishlist for random strangers to buy them stuff.

Why? Because beautiful women (in the eyes of those who think they need gifts), regardless of what they do or did for a living, tend to get shit. Thats just the way the world works. Men buy shit for women they believe look good.

We don’t have to fully understand it, but the fact that onlyfans “models” are making millions is all the evidence we need to know that its true.

[Explorer8939]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure if someone lived a couple of months with a hooker, most would start feeling somewhat less transactional about things. As it is, I've yet to pay anyone even for longtime, so it's rather unlikely to happen with me, but I can understand.

In all the sponsorship cases I've known, the guy believed, or at least pretended to believe, the girl was not banging others. One western guy had the girl move into another apartment (for which he paid the rent), so she could stay in the same building as some other girl he knew and who could "keep an eye" on his girl, while attending some make-up / cosmetics course he was paying for, and sending her 50,000 a month (this was up north, 10+ years ago, so it was a pretty good sum). I don't know wtf he was smoking as the other girl was working bar. His girl did indeed stop hooking afaik, though I met her at a regular disco one evening and from thereon out were banging her twice a week while her sponsor was away. Even had her repeat the std test after he left so I could keep banging her without a condom. In the end she ended the relationship with the sponsor because "she did not like him so much", even though it meant losing the 50 k a month + apartment rent. Before that she had been sponsored by some Japanese dude who had her stay at some high-end condo far away from the city centre, and which she also ended for similar reasons I think.

Another girl had her sponsor ring her while I had my dick in her mouth. He too believed she was not banging others, and I had to listen to a teary eyed story about how he was now working an extra job, shoveling snow at night, in order to be able to send her the monthly "salary"..This is typical. In Thailand, ladies want to give money to their boyfriend, and take money from customers.

If you are confused about what your bargirl thinks about you, just follow the money.

[Knobrm]

Am I the only one who had a favorite frequent repeat hottie who did find an old USA dude sponsor who only comes to Thailand 1-2 weeks every few months, pays her monthly support and, I'll be damned if she doesn't honor his request not to have Real Sex with any of the customers she meets in the bar anymore? Not me nor any of her regulars from before she agreed to his offer.

She is still one of the most popular girls in the gogo bar. But ladydrinks only and I never see her leaving with amyone or on her way to and from a hotel except with that old dude whenever he is in town.

Maybe it works the way the sponsor wants it sometimes. Or maybe she just stopped fucking me and is still fucking everyone else on the sly.More likely than not, it's the last point. Odds are that she found a local sponsor / customer with whom she goes daily after work. I had a comparable situation two years ago when one of my twice-weekly FL regulars (who has a sponsor BF living overseas) stopped coming by, just chatting at times via Line telling she stopped going customers and too busy with work. Couldn't believe at all what she said. Funnily enough, sometime later I purely accidentally learnt she had found a new local customer. Living not far from my place. And she started to go with him pretty much daily as he wanted like that, thus no time for me. She liked him better for whatever reason, maybe because he wanted daily and I wanted rotation and such was better/easier for her. However after few months something happened and that deal with him was off, and voila she started to come by again (and still does). Zebra rarely gets rid of her stripes.

And of course stupid sponsor boyfriend in Europe continues to happily sponsor her, believing she is a good girl. She actually is, just not in a way that he believes.

[Knobrm]

Why are you even using one grey cell to think about what another man is doing with his money or his dick?I am not thinking what guys do with their dicks or cash, rather trying to understand the psychology underlying what they doing. Just pure curiosity as intrigued by the bahaviour, something comparable that was driving guys like Freud and Einstein to do what they did. Have to admit I have a bad habit trying to understand why things work the way they do. Sometimes is it is like trying to comprehend the incomprehensible and better to just stop and conclude that I understand that I can not understand.

But as you said, this probably has something to do with "Having Fun" - different people have fun doing different things and get their kicks drom different things, and that is perfectly fine as long as they are happy doing what they are doing. Maybe something comparable to me spending money to ride a Harley instead of Yamaha that some people see as complete waste of money. Throwing excessive gifts or sponsoring simple hookers from overseas must be fun for some, giving them great enjoyment. Just not for me.

I have fun fucking them though.

[Knobrm]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure if someone lived a couple of months with a hooker, most would start feeling somewhat less transactional about things. As it is, I've yet to pay anyone even for longtime, so it's rather unlikely to happen with me, but I can understand.

In all the sponsorship cases I've known, the guy believed, or at least pretended to believe, the girl was not banging others. One western guy had the girl move into another apartment (for which he paid the rent), so she could stay in the same building as some other girl he knew and who could "keep an eye" on his girl, while attending some make-up / cosmetics course he was paying for, and sending her 50,000 a month (this was up north, 10+ years ago, so it was a pretty good sum). I don't know wtf he was smoking as the other girl was working bar. His girl did indeed stop hooking afaik, though I met her at a regular disco one evening and from thereon out were banging her twice a week while her sponsor was away. Even had her repeat the std test after he left so I could keep banging her without a condom. In the end she ended the relationship with the sponsor because "she did not like him so much", even though it meant losing the 50 k a month + apartment rent. Before that she had been sponsored by some Japanese dude who had her stay at some high-end condo far away from the city centre, and which she also ended for similar reasons I think.

Another girl had her sponsor ring her while I had my dick in her mouth. He too believed she was not banging others, and I had to listen to a teary eyed story about how he was now working an extra job, shoveling snow at night, in order to be able to send her the monthly "salary". The girl was smiling and laughing at me while telling him that if he could not send her the salary it meant he did not really love her, and she would have to go with other men so she could send money to her parents (rather than get a normal job and send money to her parents). One of the few times I become too disgusted with a girl to want to fuck her, so quietly got dressed and left her room. Considered saying something aloud to the poor sucker on the phone, who was still proclaiming his love, before leaving, but I didn't want to keep having to watch my back for some crazy bar girl.I've had countless of LTs and many LLTs for several weeks. Obviously would not do LT, esp repeat LT, nor LLT unless click with the girl at some level at least sexually, however when the fee becomes due, it is a good reminder that it is transactional and shakes off the possible feelings of the deal being 'less transactional'.

After a while being sponsored but banned from freedom, some of the girls simply get bored to that life after the fun life in Pattaya (or other main places), especially so if the sponsor forces them to move back to the village. One of my LLT's few years ago told she had a Belgian sponsor that paid her well but she had to move to her village in Isaan, out from Pattaya. With the money he was sending, she built a very nice and modern small house for herself, spending closer to million THB on that. However once the house project was finished, she simply got bored staying there as nothing much to do, stopped the relationship and came back to work Pattaya.

The incidents when sponsor call the girl while she is with your are funny indeed. I will move out the room for the call period as I have difficulties to hold my laugh listening!

[SubCmdr]

I am not thinking what guys do with their dicks or cash, rather trying to understand the psychology underlying what they doing. Just pure curiosity as intrigued by the bahaviour, something comparable that was driving guys like Freud and Einstein to do what they did. Have to admit I have a bad habit trying to understand why things work the way they do. Sometimes is it is like trying to comprehend the incomprehensible and better to just stop and conclude that I understand that I can not understand. Look bro I understand. I don't understand why guys pay to eat the pussy. But I am not going to call them stupid because that is how they choose to spend their money.


But as you said, this probably has something to do with "Having Fun" - different people have fun doing different things and get their kicks drom different things, and that is perfectly fine as long as they are happy doing what they are doing. Maybe something comparable to me spending money to ride a Harley instead of Yamaha that some people see as complete waste of money. Throwing excessive gifts or sponsoring simple hookers from overseas must be fun for some, giving them great enjoyment. Just not for me.Exactly! You make my point. Ultimate goal is to have fun and enjoy your life. If someone wants to pay to eat the pussy (knowing that someone may have blown splooge up in it minutes before) who am I to criticize them for it. There is nothing wrong with pointing out the facts out (hey what is that white stuff dripping out the girl you are about to go down on) to another person (about eating pussy or sponsorship). But to call them stupid (as I have seen done many time up in here) for engaging in an activity they find enjoyable to me is completely out of line. That goes for where they choose to procure their prostitutes, how much they choose to pay their prostitutes or how they choose to spend their money on regular things life when they are not International Trickin. Usually the people who do that are not getting any pussy and want it so bad they cannot understand how anyone could spend money in a way that does not directly get their dick off.

International Tricks need to remember there are other men to think we are lame because we have to buy pussy. It is just many forget about that because they been International Trickin for so long it has become an embedded lifestyle and they think it is normal and accepted in greater society when it is not.

[Turgid]

......Another girl had her sponsor ring her while I had my dick in her mouth. He too believed she was not banging others, and I had to listen to a teary eyed story about how he was now working an extra job, shoveling snow at night, in order to be able to send her the monthly "salary". The girl was smiling and laughing at me while telling him that if he could not send her the salary it meant he did not really love her, and she would have to go with other men so she could send money to her parents (rather than get a normal job and send money to her parents). One of the few times I become too disgusted with a girl to want to fuck her, so quietly got dressed and left her room. Considered saying something aloud to the poor sucker on the phone, who was still proclaiming his love, before leaving, but I didn't want to keep having to watch my back for some crazy bar girl.Didn't her parents teach her not to talk with her mouth full? LOL!

Did you pay her? I don't know how you guys do it; I hire a pro only when I'm horny and in that condition I can't just up and leave LOL.

[The Cane]

Didn't her parents teach her not to talk with her mouth full? LOL!

Did you pay her? I don't know how you guys do it; I hire a pro only when I'm horny and in that condition I can't just up and leave LOL.LOL I remember being in Spain and eating a hot Albanian girl out while she talked to "Francisco" on the phone. Poor Francisco who thought she was waiting for him! No, there she was laying on her back talking on the phone to Francisco with her legs spread wide open while I munched on that "crack snack". Then proceeded to fuck her into stupidity once she hung up with her unsuspecting "lover" Francisco. Never trust these hoors with your hearts men. Don't do it! Because another guy could be eating her out (or worse) just as she professes her love to you! LMAO! I don't get disgusted. I just work hard not to get played like Francisco! Find them, feel them, finger them, fuck them, forget them!

[Werqweq]

Didn't her parents teach her not to talk with her mouth full? LOL!

Did you pay her? I don't know how you guys do it; I hire a pro only when I'm horny and in that condition I can't just up and leave LOL.No, back then I had some principle against paying for sex and never paid anyone.

Doesn't happen often that I'm already in bed with a girl and abort due to personality issues, and I don't normally have much interest in their BF, sponsors or whatever, so I just started pulling off her shorts instead when she started talking on the phone. Thinking I'll start fucking her gently instead while she talks, which is always somewhat humorous.
After listening for a bit I however remember having a strong feeling of disgust about this lazy bargirl smiling and laughing "with me", while her BF / sponsor was literally crying on his side of the phone about trying to scrape together enough money for her "salary", and save up the money for visiting her so they could be "together again".

[Turgid]

No, back then I had some principle against paying for sex and never paid anyone.

Doesn't happen often that I'm already in bed with a girl and abort due to personality issues, and I don't normally have much interest in their BF, sponsors or whatever, so I just started pulling off her shorts instead when she started talking on the phone. Thinking I'll start fucking her gently instead while she talks, which is always somewhat humorous.
After listening for a bit I however remember having a strong feeling of disgust about this lazy bargirl smiling and laughing "with me", while her BF / sponsor was literally crying on his side of the phone about trying to scrape together enough money for her "salary", and save up the money for visiting her so they could be "together again".I posted the following link in another forum. It applies here as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXRN_LkCa_o

[Explorer8939]

Anyone here ever barfine a Tomboy?

I don't mean a lady who will play with another lady, or do a show, I mean a real Tomboy.

I have gone with ladies who have female girlfriends, but they weren't Tomboys.

And, in real life, I did have a girlfriend from Venezuela who became a Tom later in life. But I have never barfined a Tomboy in Pattaya.

[Mr Enternational]

Anyone here ever barfine a Tomboy?Does it have to be barfine? For instance are you asking if someone has fucked a tomboy or paid a tomboy for sex or does it have to be specifically paid for one to leave a bar with them? You tend to only talk in bar terms as if that is the only way to skin a cat or rather get some cat.

[Explorer8939]

Does it have to be barfine? For instance are you asking if someone has fucked a tomboy or paid a tomboy for sex or does it have to be specifically paid for one to leave a bar with them? You tend to only talk in bar terms as if that is the only way to skin a cat or rather get some cat.Anyone here ever go with a Tomboy?

[Jangobangz]

My first week in Pattaya was incredible, so good in fact I'm scared it may go on to ruin my life! : !

I ventured to Walking Street on my first night, being a must visit and all. Started off at a ping pong show, because why not, fucking horrid! Way worse than I remember Khao San road 10 years ago, miserable old women blowing out candles with their minge, asked me for a 500 bh top to be a prop, I left 100 and walked out. Went into a ladyboy club to satiate my curiosity, got swarmed! Some of them are scarily good looking, the place was dead though so I quickly left and tried a Russian bar, a gorgeous blonde asked me to buy her a drink, balked at the 700 bh fee, she then said we could skip drinks and go into a ST room for 3000 bh, her sexy smile would have convinced me but I could smell a shit service a mile away so made my way to to soi 6.

Within a few meters I spotted my #1 girl so far, she had the most insane ass! Unfortunately she was chatting away to someone else so carried on down, stopped at 3 different gaffs for a girly drink with someone who caught my eye, 1st didn't look that pretty in the light and the 2nd & 3rd seemed keen but both had a bit too much of a 'goofy' personality for me (which I soon learned is not that uncommon), walking back up I spotted the girl with the insane ass again! She was hugging the same guy from earlier but this time she locked eyes and blew me a kiss, damn wish I was this guy with her! I walked back up to see if anyone caught my eye, and third time the charm on my way back down the soi I saw her again! This time she dragged me in to a seat (I didn't need much convincing). She waited for her fella to pay his bar tab and leave before coming back to me, we got chatting and just clicked instantly, and she was really sexy! Wanting to show off a bit, when I bought her a shot I offered one to the waiter and the 3 girls sitting out front too, and as if I turned a switch she was all over me, lapdances, full on DFK the works! Approaching 2 am so they shut down the bar and she invited me to join her and her girls to a club on walking street, we spent about an hour there dancing, making out and drinking before leaving to find a short time hotel, what followed was 2 hours of ecstasy! Most genuine GFE I've ever experienced, I tipped 1 k for the pleasure and we exchanged WhatsApps.

My second night in Pattaya was a bit of a dud, I went out at around 3 am so only ventured to walking street, went into one of the gogos and got chatting to one of the non dancers, they tried to pressure me into buying drinks for other girls, but having learned my lesson from the 1st night I refused, the girl was pretty and seemed very keen, almost giddy but the massaman came and quoted 3000 bar fine + 4000ST must be having a laugh I noped out of there and had a walk down beach street but saw nothing so called it a day.

My third night around 11 pm I messaged the girl from my first night to see if she was free but she was 'off that day', headed down to soi 6 again to see what I liked, had a few drinks with some different girls, one caught my eye who had a huge pair for her slim frame, she was quite weird as she spent the entire time (nearly an hour) just gyrating on me like a rabbit, or pretending to be a cat, or showing me photos of her cat. I liked the look of her boobs though so took her upstairs for 1500ST, wasn't feeling it though so pretended to pop and bounced. A bit more wondering and a cutey with really nice dimples caught my eye, everything that followed was a near repeat of the night before! She was making out with me non stop, giggling on eye contact, taking selfies with me. She suggested LT for 3 k which I agreed, she also suggested we go to the nightclub before going back to my room (sensing a pattern here), funnily enough I spotted the girl from my first night at the club and messaged her jokingly that I can see her and that I'm better than her man, she asked me to meet her by the bathroom, dragged me into a cubicle and started furiously making out with me (these women!) she asked me to message her tomorrow night. Took my new girl home and she was incredible, amazing BBBJ, great fuck after a shower together and repeated in the morning. Eventually I had to ask her to leave at around 11 as I had to meet up with family, she seemed a bit upset about it:'the tipped her 1 k for the pleasure + 200 for taxi. Both nights were very similar, maybe the nightclub thing is a known routine? But it's perfect for me as I can get a bit tipsier, dance and makeout with a hot girl for a few hours before going back for some amazing sex, which have both been the most genuine GFE I've had in over 2 years +100 punts by far!! I think I'm starting to get why people can get hooked on this place!!

My final night in Pattaya, even though I had an amazing night just before with girl #2, for some reason I just could not get girl #1 out of my head, I was thinking about her all day, and just my luck she messaged me that afternoon to see if I was free, she said it was her day off so met me at my condo at night, and what followed was a night of just pure GFE bliss, bath together, making out like teenagers, suck, fuck, repeat! She kept doing something a little unusual for me also where she would often like, sniff my cheek? Is this a Thai thing? Anyway she added my on instagram afterwards and now. I feel like a massive twat as it's been nearly a week and I can't stop thinking about this girl! In over 2 years of punting with even a few sexcations thrown in I've never caught feels, and here I am swooning over one of the first Thai working girls who throws me attention: this is how I know Pattaya will now ruin my life as I'm already planning my next trip this summer and have a strong feeling my desire to return will consume the rest of my life!

In summary however, an incredible week. Would have to spend thousands in the UK for even remotely the experience, I'm officially hooked!

[Sofiy]

They might be expecting 1500 but there are some that accept 1000-1200 as well. They try the higher prices but will likely accept lower prices. Its not like there are drowes of guys paying every women 2 k for 30 minutes.I too give every girl 1000 bahts and most of the time they are fine with it. If she asks for more and was had okay service or very good looking I will give 1500 bahts but never more.

In 2024 the price was 1000-1500 bahts. If you start giving 2000 bahts they will go out of business as most men cannot pay that so often.

Do not give a girl 2000 bahts unless she is a 9/10 you are wasting money and driving prices high for all others.

[Paolo99]

Great report, thanks!


Within a few meters I spotted my #1 girl so far, she had the most insane ass! Unfortunately she was chatting away to someone else so carried on down, stopped at 3 different gaffs for a girly drink with someone who caught my eye, 1st didn't look that pretty in the light and the 2nd & 3rd seemed keen but both had a bit too much of a 'goofy' personality for me (which I soon learned is not that uncommon), walking back up I spotted the girl with the insane ass again! She was hugging the same guy from earlier but this time she locked eyes and blew me a kiss, damn wish I was this guy with her! I walked back up to see if anyone caught my eye, and third time the charm on my way back down the soi I saw her again! This time she dragged me in to a seat (I didn't need much convincing). She waited for her fella to pay his bar tab and leave before coming back to me, we got chatting and just clicked instantly, and she was really sexy! Wanting to show off a bit, when I bought her a shot I offered one to the waiter and the 3 girls sitting out front too, and as if I turned a switch she was all over me, lapdances, full on DFK the works!Which bar was that? Normally soi 6 bars do not have waiters or waitress, the girl servicing you is supposed to do the job.

And the girl dragging you in while her customer is still with her, that's wild.


She suggested LT for 3 k which I agreed, she also suggested we go to the nightclub before going back to my room (sensing a pattern here), funnily enough I spotted the girl from my first night at the club and messaged her jokingly that I can see her and that I'm better than her man, she asked me to meet her by the bathroom, dragged me into a cubicle and started furiously making out with me (these women!) she asked me to message her tomorrow night. Did you write down the name of that nightclub where a man can go in the women toilet or vice versa?

[Mr Enternational]

She kept doing something a little unusual for me also where she would often like, sniff my cheek? Is this a Thai thing?That is how Thai people kiss. She must really like you to do that.

[Jangobangz]

Which bar was that? Normally soi 6 bars do not have waiters or waitress, the girl servicing you is supposed to do the job.Sorry, I forgot (didn't bother to memorise) the name of everywhere I visited during my week there! I'm pretty sure this bar had someone behind the bar wearing all black, but as I recall most places I went you're right the girl I'm with is bringing over the drinks.



And the girl dragging you in while her customer is still with her, that's wild.I had one worse than that the 2nd night, when I was with the jackrabbit girl she was bragging to her friend that she was with the better looking man, and her friend was pulling pretend crying faces behind her mans back, and when he went to the toilet put her boobs on my face and asked me to come back to see her the next day, that made me feel a bit uneasy (she was minging anyway).

Don't remember the name of the club either, playing mostly hip-hop music, to be fair the toilet staff were VERY friendly with me and actively encouraging it, I had a tendency to way way way overtip their toilet massages!!


That is how Thai people kiss. She must really like you to do that.Ahhh I hate that you said that, I was looking for reasons not to think about this girl again!

[KrumeLurer]

I too give every girl 1000 bahts and most of the time they are fine with it. If she asks for more and was had okay service or very good looking I will give 1500 bahts but never more.

In 2024 the price was 1000-1500 bahts. If you start giving 2000 bahts they will go out of business as most men cannot pay that so often.

Do not give a girl 2000 bahts unless she is a 9/10 you are wasting money and driving prices high for all others.When was the last time you visited?

[Sato San]

Great Report! Thanks for sharing hope to be visiting soon can you share the name of the bars / gogo joints you thought were good. Thanks!


My first week in Pattaya was incredible, so good in fact I'm scared it may go on to ruin my life! : !

I ventured to Walking Street on my first night, being a must visit and all. Started off at a ping pong show, because why not, fucking horrid! Way worse than I remember Khao San road 10 years ago, miserable old women blowing out candles with their minge, asked me for a 500 bh top to be a prop, I left 100 and walked out. Went into a ladyboy club to satiate my curiosity, got swarmed! Some of them are scarily good looking, the place was dead though so I quickly left and tried a Russian bar, a gorgeous blonde asked me to buy her a drink, balked at the 700 bh fee, she then said we could skip drinks and go into a ST room for 3000 bh, her sexy smile would have convinced me but I could smell a shit service a mile away so made my way to to soi 6.

Within a few meters I spotted my #1 girl so far, she had the most insane ass! Unfortunately she was chatting away to someone else so carried on down, stopped at 3 different gaffs for a girly drink with someone who caught my eye, 1st didn't look that pretty in the light and the 2nd & 3rd seemed keen but both had a bit too much of a 'goofy' personality for me (which I soon learned is not that uncommon), walking back up I spotted the girl with the insane ass again! She was hugging the same guy from earlier but this time she locked eyes and blew me a kiss, damn wish I was this guy with her! I walked back up to see if anyone caught my eye, and third time the charm on my way back down the soi I saw her again! This time she dragged me in to a seat (I didn't need much convincing). She waited for her fella to pay his bar tab and leave before coming back to me, we got chatting and just clicked instantly, and she was really sexy! Wanting to show off a bit, when I bought her a shot I offered one to the waiter and the 3 girls sitting out front too, and as if I turned a switch she was all over me, lapdances, full on DFK the works! Approaching 2 am so they shut down the bar and she invited me to join her and her girls to a club on walking street, we spent about an hour there dancing, making out and drinking before leaving to find a short time hotel, what followed was 2 hours of ecstasy!

[Jangobangz]

Great Report! Thanks for sharing hope to be visiting soon can you share the name of the bars / gogo joints you thought were good. Thanks!I don't remember names of the places I liked the most sorry, I think more important was going up and down the soi, seeing who caught my eye and making sure we had good rapport / chemistry before moving forward. Hasn't been uncommon for me to speak and have a drink with 2/3/4 different girls before finding one I particularly clicked with.

[Ass Addict]

I talk a lot and I say nobody can say how beautiful my girls are, because I never share my precious pics with them.

So nobody can argue I'm fucking shit for my precious 1000.

Then I say Club Excite is one of my favorite places.

Club Excite at it's best:

[Mdemde]

I read some posts on the forum a week or so ago about TB in Thailand, I'm chipping in today with my experience but can't find the original posts so can't link to any of them.

Anyway, I was living in Pattaya in the late 80's/early 90's, and caught TB. I had been living in Thailand for a few years, the first year in Bkk before moving down to Pattaya. I went to bed one night without a care in the world but woke up in the early hours with breathing difficulties. It was a strange sensation. I could breathe in but only up to about half my lung capacity. As hard as I tried, I could not get more than half-way. I didn't have a cough or fever, and had no pain, but thought it would be a good idea to get to a hospital.

My then-partner drove us to the hospital, and when she explained the problem to the nurses I was put in a wheelchair and given oxygen by way of a mask which was connected to a small oxygen tank at the back of the wheelchair. Within seconds I was able to take a deep, deep breath, and fill my lungs to capacity. I almost had an orgasm!! On the 15 or so minute journey to the hospital, I really thought that my time was up and wondered if I might even make it to the hospital.

After some tests they diagnosed TB and I was given an injection(s) (I can't remember how many) and put on a course of antibiotics and I ended up spending 3 or 4 nights in the hospital. My partner was also tested for TB but the results were negative. When I was released I was given more medication to take, daily, from memory it was for about 6 months.

A few years later I went back to my home country in the UK and went for a check-up, explaining that I had caught TB in Thailand. They did some tests and confirmed the diagnosis, and said the X-Rays showed some scarring on my lungs.

They said all was OK though advised to come back in 6 months for some more tests which I did, before finally given the all-clear, and I have not had any problems with it since.

I remember being told by the doctor that TB is quite prevalent in Thailand, though very rare in the UK. The scarring on my lungs is still evident, I have had a few chest X-Rays over the years since then, the last one was about 9 months ago, and they always mention the scarring on my lungs and ask me if I have had TB!

[Goatscrot]

I talk a lot and I say nobody can say how beautiful my girls are, because I never share my precious pics with them.

So nobody can argue I'm fucking shit for my precious 1000.

Then I say Club Excite is one of my favorite places.

Club Excite at it's best:I assume you are being sarcastic. If that's "best," I'd hate to see worst.

[XXL]

I assume you are being sarcastic. If that's "best," I'd hate to see worst.LOL! Although you have to hand it to him, he actually showed us a picture, which is more than you can say of so many mongers here who go on and on about getting beautiful girls for cheap. Pictures put words into perspective.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I talk a lot and I say nobody can say how beautiful my girls are, because I never share my precious pics with them.

So nobody can argue I'm fucking shit for my precious 1000.

Then I say Club Excite is one of my favorite places.

Club Excite at it's best:Those are grandmas. Surely you're being sarcastic.

[MikeNm]

I read some posts on the forum a week or so ago about TB in Thailand, I'm chipping in today with my experience but can't find the original posts so can't link to any of them..

I remember being told by the doctor that TB is quite prevalent in Thailand, though very rare in the UK. The scarring on my lungs is still evident, I have had a few chest X-Rays over the years since then, the last one was about 9 months ago, and they always mention the scarring on my lungs and ask me if I have had
TB!I had valley fever in college when I was 20, a virus that lives in the soil in arid climates much like mononucleosis. It left me with a scar on my lower right lobe of my lung and I was told to always tell the x-ray techs about it or they'd assume I have or had TB!

[TravelingMan3]

Now that I live in Pattaya and no longer the thirsty dude on holiday I'm just looking for a quick release. Before I'd go to gogos and barfine what I thought was the hottest chick but now I go to GC and just look for a mouth I want to fuck. Don't get me wrong I don't want fat or sick looking chick but the super hot chick isn't a requirement any longer.

I still go to the top places Queens XS etc but I'm not paying the rates that these places ask.

[BMoreDog69]

Nice report.

I think if you do this long enough it's bound to happen. Especially with these ladies who are, although not educated / trained psychologists, experts in tugging at heart strings. Not that some aren't also just really nice ladies. Console yourself that this is her job, and she did it really well, and that some of the spell will wear off over time.

No shame is feeling a bit smitten. Just don't act on it.


My first week in Pattaya was incredible, so good in fact I'm scared it may go on to ruin my life! : !

I ventured to Walking Street on my first night, being a must visit and all. Started off at a ping pong show, because why not, fucking horrid! Way worse than I remember Khao San road 10 years ago, miserable old women blowing out candles with their minge, asked me for a 500 bh top to be a prop, I left 100 and walked out. Went into a ladyboy club to satiate my curiosity, got swarmed! Some of them are scarily good looking, the place was dead though so I quickly left and tried a Russian bar, a gorgeous blonde asked me to buy her a drink, balked at the 700 bh fee, she then said we could skip drinks and go into a ST room for 3000 bh, her sexy smile would have convinced me but I could smell a shit service a mile away so made my way to to soi 6.

Within a few meters I spotted my #1 girl so far, she had the most insane ass! Unfortunately she was chatting away to someone else so carried on down, stopped at 3 different gaffs for a girly drink with someone who caught my eye, 1st didn't look that pretty in the light and the 2nd & 3rd seemed keen but both had a bit too much of a 'goofy' personality for me (which I soon learned is not that uncommon), walking back up I spotted the girl with the insane ass again! She was hugging the same guy from earlier but this time she locked eyes and blew me a kiss, damn wish I was this guy with her! I walked back up to see if anyone caught my eye, and third time the charm on my way back down the soi I saw her again! This time she dragged me in to a seat (I didn't need much convincing). She waited for her fella to pay his bar tab and leave before coming back to me, we got chatting and just clicked instantly, and she was really sexy! Wanting to show off a bit, when I bought her a shot I offered one to the waiter and the 3 girls sitting out front too, and as if I turned a switch she was all over me, lapdances, full on DFK the works! Approaching 2 am so they shut down the bar and she invited me to join her and her girls to a club on walking street, we spent about an hour there dancing, making out and drinking before leaving to find a short time hotel, what followed was 2 hours of ecstasy! Most genuine GFE I've ever experienced, I tipped 1 k for the pleasure and we exchanged WhatsApps.

My second night in Pattaya was a bit of a dud, I went out at around 3 am so only ventured to walking street, went into one of the gogos and got chatting to one of the non dancers, they tried to pressure me into buying drinks for other girls, but having learned my lesson from the 1st night I refused, the girl was pretty and seemed very keen, almost giddy but the massaman came and quoted 3000 bar fine + 4000ST must be having a laugh I noped out of there and had a walk down beach street but saw nothing so called it a day.

My third night around 11 pm I messaged the girl from my first night to see if she was free but she was 'off that day', headed down to soi 6 again to see what I liked, had a few drinks with some different girls, one caught my eye who had a huge pair for her slim frame, she was quite weird as she spent the entire time (nearly an hour) just gyrating on me like a rabbit, or pretending to be a cat, or showing me photos of her cat. I liked the look of her boobs though so took her upstairs for 1500ST, wasn't feeling it though so pretended to pop and bounced. A bit more wondering and a cutey with really nice dimples caught my eye, everything that followed was a near repeat of the night before! She was making out with me non stop, giggling on eye contact, taking selfies with me. She suggested LT for 3 k which I agreed, she also suggested we go to the nightclub before going back to my room (sensing a pattern here), funnily enough I spotted the girl from my first night at the club and messaged her jokingly that I can see her and that I'm better than her man, she asked me to meet her by the bathroom, dragged me into a cubicle and started furiously making out with me (these women!) she asked me to message her tomorrow night. Took my new girl home and she was incredible, amazing BBBJ, great fuck after a shower together and repeated in the morning. Eventually I had to ask her to leave at around 11 as I had to meet up with family, she seemed a bit upset about it:'the tipped her 1 k for the pleasure + 200 for taxi. Both nights were very similar, maybe the nightclub thing is a known routine? But it's perfect for me as I can get a bit tipsier, dance and makeout with a hot girl for a few hours before going back for some amazing sex, which have both been the most genuine GFE I've had in over 2 years +100 punts by far!! I think I'm starting to get why people can get hooked on this place!!

My final night in Pattaya, even though I had an amazing night just before with girl #2, for some reason I just could not get girl #1 out of my head, I was thinking about her all day, and just my luck she messaged me that afternoon to see if I was free, she said it was her day off so met me at my condo at night, and what followed was a night of just pure GFE bliss, bath together, making out like teenagers, suck, fuck, repeat! She kept doing something a little unusual for me also where she would often like, sniff my cheek? Is this a Thai thing? Anyway she added my on instagram afterwards and now. I feel like a massive twat as it's been nearly a week and I can't stop thinking about this girl! In over 2 years of punting with even a few sexcations thrown in I've never caught feels, and here I am swooning over one of the first Thai working girls who throws me attention: this is how I know Pattaya will now ruin my life as I'm already planning my next trip this summer and have a strong feeling my desire to return will consume the rest of my life!

In summary however, an incredible week. Would have to spend thousands in the UK for even remotely the experience, I'm officially hooked!

[Turgid]

I talk a lot and I say nobody can say how beautiful my girls are, because I never share my precious pics with them.

So nobody can argue I'm fucking shit for my precious 1000.

Then I say Club Excite is one of my favorite places.

Club Excite at it's best:When you post photos you will be set upon by guys who never post photos of their own.

[BionicMan]

I assume you are being sarcastic. If that's "best," I'd hate to see worst.Don't underestimate that it is pretty much dark inside the club. LOL.

[Goatscrot]

I was finally obligated to make a trip down to Pattaya, after not being there since before covid.

A bit of history with me and the place. In the early 00's I used to go on average once a month for 3 nights. It was especially amazing during low season. You could shoot a cannon down most toys and not hit anybody, but there will always plenty of girls, and may I add plenty of good looking ones. Soi 6 was an outstanding place for early afternoon and evening entertainment. None of the bars were open air to the street and there was no blaring music. It was simply small bars, or rather full on knocking shops, full of gals who were more than willing to take you to the room for 500 to 1 k Baht with a 200 to 300 Baht BF that included the room. Drinks or of course available but you are in no way obligated to buy lady drinks, in fact you could just choose whatever caught your eye and head straight upstairs.

This city itself was so empty during low season that the two-story Starbucks, the third shop opened in the country, would often have only our small group of friends upstairs drinking coffee all afternoon.

The bars themselves were also fun, both beer bars and Go-Go's. All of the above had plenty of good looking thin early 20's gals who hadn't yet had babies. ST and LT at beer bars was 500 and 1 k respectively and at Go-Go's 1 K and 5 K respectively. In the Go-Go's girls were fun, playfully aggressive, and a lot of fun.

And then there was Marine disco that kicked off in earnest after the bars would close. No problem with 1 K long time.

If you were strolling down Walking Street at any time after say 10:00 you would have a constant barrage of girls asking to go with you. This increased after midnight when Soi 6 closed and those girls headed for the disco.

Patters was absolutely amazing during these times and I have some of my best memories of our hobby from that time.

From around 07 till the mid 10's I think I only visited once or twice, not enough to make any judgments and then between 16 and covid I would go occasionally when friends were in town. During that time I found a very changed town and scene. Soi 6 became a loud zoo of open air bars. While it was still some quite good looking girls, I found the atmosphere to be far less appealing, and of course the prices had increased and one was expected to buy drinks and sit about with the girl as opposed to getting right down to business.

Go-Go's had changed significantly both price wise, demographic of customer-wise, and atmosphere-wise. Go-Go's that catered to Asian customers had very good looking girls that weren't particularly interested in westerners and were far less interactive than the days of old. Prices also increased dramatically, even on Soi 6 where gals seem to also to prefer Asian customers. During this time I found the G clubs, namely Kinnaree, to be very enjoyable. Always some lookers, very well priced, and fun. I often wished we had places like that in Bangkok. I also found some talented times amongst the small massage joints on Soi Honey. One really good thing about this particular era is it seems many of the gals discovered going to the gym. So there were plenty of fit women about.

Unfortunately I never made it down to Pattaya during Covid, which it seems as it was in Bangkok an absolutely marvelous time for our hobby.

Fast forward to this past weekend and I agreed to meet a group of friends that I haven't seen in over a decade down at the beach. Some were in town for the first time in ages and they decided that is where they wanted to meet up. After seeing recent videos from Pattaya my expectations were low, and my expectations did not let me down.

Arriving early on a Saturday afternoon I had a very nice three course lunch special that even included a glass of wine. Aside from seeing my friends, this was the highlight of the trip. I was also astounded at the insane number of people in Pattaya.

After checking into my hotel I decided to have a bit of a walkabout and check out the central Pattaya G clubs. Strolling down Soi Honey, I was immediately struck by the size and age of the majority of the women working. Both of those numbers needed to go in a southerly direction in order to be appealing. The G clubs I poked my head in were equally as disappointing, so I ventured back to the hotel for a rest.

Dinner with my friends was fantastic. It was wonderful to have a catch up. Afterwards we hit some of the bars on LK Metro. I was again absolutely gobsmacked at the lack of talent. Fat, old, dark, and ugly for the most part, and I was told these were the "best" Go-Go's. I saw maybe one or two that would pass muster, but not for what they were asking. After 3 or so bars I had seen enough and I broke off on my own to have another look at the G clubs that opened later. I was again taken aback at the lack of talent. Age and weight were definitely on display and it seems that the majority of gals working in Pattaya had forgotten where the gym was but haven't missed a meal and if perhaps added a few more meals during the day.

With my libido on the floor I decided to have a look and Beach Road. I wish I hadn't. Appalling is too nice of a word for more than one reason.

Although the talent isn't what it used to be in Bangkok, Fiwfans and the oilies have far better looking girls than what I saw in Pattaya this past weekend and I don't have to deal with the crowds of tourists. I'm also pretty assured of a certain level of performance. In all fairness, I didn't try TF down there, so maybe it is better.

So it was back to my hotel for a rather nice sleep during the cool night and a fairly early rise to grab a nice breakfast before catching the bus back to BKK, less than 24 hours after I arrived in Pattaya, probably not to return for quite a long time. Seeing the old alcoholics drinking beer in the bars open in the early morning on the way to the bus station was just the icing on the cake.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Now that I live in Pattaya and no longer the thirsty dude on holiday I'm just looking for a quick release. Before I'd go to gogos and barfine what I thought was the hottest chick but now I go to GC and just look for a mouth I want to fuck. Don't get me wrong I don't want fat or sick looking chick but the super hot chick isn't a requirement any longer.

I still go to the top places Queens XS etc but I'm not paying the rates that these places ask.I had almost instant success scoring girls from Thaifriendly and Thaiflirting when I was in Patts in fall of 2023. If you're living there that's a route I would explore.

[JustTK]

Anyone here ever barfine a Tomboy?

I don't mean a lady who will play with another lady, or do a show, I mean a real Tomboy.
What do you mean by a tomboy. A lesbian who looks and dresses like a guy? I can say I haven't. I don't find them sexy. TBH I would rather have a ladyboy. It least they can look sexy and they enjoy fucking guys.

[Kingdavide]

My first trip in Pattaya. First night I stay in a hotel near W / S. After 31 hours flight (plus layover) and synced to the home clock after a good sleep, I went outside near 11:30 pm. Remembering somebody said that after midnight you might find some good looking girls with decent price, I felt that I selected a right direction. Finishing my Lanzhou noodle, heading back to hotel I picked up a girl with good looking and slim body smooth skin. After negotiation with her "Aunti" , I got the price of 2 hours for 1600 Bht. Then on the way back to the hotel the girl start to complain it is too long a walk. My hotel is right beside Hardrock. So anyway back into room, she charged me 200 for two condoms. We finihsed one shot and she irritatingly asking for a second shot without doing much. After a few minutes' unsuccessful tries, I really can't tolerate her bullshiting. I asked her to leave but she won't give me 100 bht back as she will leave the 2nd condom to me WTF. A good lesson. BTW, she suffered some body injuries on knees and breast because fighting with Indian customer per her explanation. No wonder the Indians will beat her. Although with good looking face and a young body of 22 years age, she should not stay in the hospitality industry.

I have learned my first lesson on the first night here. I still have few days staying here so let's wait and see.

[Huntsman]

My first trip in Pattaya. First night I stay in a hotel near W / S. After 31 hours flight (plus layover) and synced to the home clock after a good sleep, I went outside near 11:30 pm. Remembering somebody said that after midnight you might find some good looking girls with decent price, I felt that I selected a right direction. Finishing my Lanzhou noodle, heading back to hotel I picked up a girl with good looking and slim body smooth skin. After negotiation with her "Aunti" , I got the price of 2 hours for 1600 Bht. Then on the way back to the hotel the girl start to complain it is too long a walk. My hotel is right beside Hardrock. So anyway back into room, she charged me 200 for two condoms. We finihsed one shot and she irritatingly asking for a second shot without doing much. After a few minutes' unsuccessful tries, I really can't tolerate her bullshiting. I asked her to leave but she won't give me 100 bht back as she will leave the 2nd condom to me WTF. A good lesson. BTW, she suffered some body injuries on knees and breast because fighting with Indian customer per her explanation. No wonder the Indians will beat her. Although with good looking face and a young body of 22 years age, she should not stay in the hospitality industry.

I have learned my first lesson on the first night here. I still have few days staying here so let's wait and see.Goodness, is 100 baht (less than 3 USD) really worth quibbling about? If she really did get beaten up earlier in the night, perhaps a little TLC from you might have worked wonders. Who knows, you may have even gotten a free condom!

[Explorer8939]

What do you mean by a tomboy. A lesbian who looks and dresses like a guy? I can say I haven't. I don't find them sexy. TBH I would rather have a ladyboy. It least they can look sexy and they enjoy fucking guys.Tomboys are very common in Pattaya. A lot look exactly like men, you may not have noticed them. Some look like Kim Un Jung, but ladies like them.

Many Tomboys in Pattaya are supported by bar girls, same as young Thai men. And there are Tomboy bars, usually open after midnight.

I was just curious as to whether anyone had gone with one.

[Nyezhov]

I was finally obligated to make a trip down to Pattaya, after not being there since before covid.

A bit of history with me and the place. In the early 00's I used to go on average once a month for 3 nights. It was especially amazing during low season. You could shoot a cannon down most toys and not hit anybody, but there will always plenty of girls, and may I add plenty of good looking ones. Soi 6 was an outstanding place for early afternoon and evening entertainment. None of the bars were open air to the street and there was no blaring music. It was simply small bars, or rather full on knocking shops, full of gals who were more than willing to take you to the room for 500 to 1 k Baht with a 200 to 300 Baht BF that included the room. Drinks or of course available but you are in no way obligated to buy lady drinks, in fact you could just choose whatever caught your eye and head straight upstairs.

This city itself was so empty during low season that the two-story Starbucks, the third shop opened in the country, would often have only our small group of friends upstairs drinking coffee all afternoon.

The bars themselves were also fun, both beer bars and Go-Go's. All of the above had plenty of good looking thin early 20's gals who hadn't yet had babies. ST and LT at beer bars was 500 and 1 k respectively and at Go-Go's 1 K and 5 K respectively. In the Go-Go's girls were fun, playfully aggressive, and a lot of fun.

And then there was Marine disco that kicked off in earnest after the bars would close. No problem with 1 K long time.

If you were strolling down Walking Street at any time after say 10:00 you would have a constant barrage of girls asking to go with you. This increased after midnight when Soi 6 closed and those girls headed for the disco.

Patters was absolutely amazing during these times and I have some of my best memories of our hobby from that time.

From around 07 till the mid 10's I think I only visited once or twice, not enough to make any judgments and then between 16 and covid I would go occasionally when friends were in town. During that time I found a very changed town and scene. Soi 6 became a loud zoo of open air bars. While it was still some quite good looking girls, I found the atmosphere to be far less appealing, and of course the prices had increased and one was expected to buy drinks and sit about with the girl as opposed to getting right down to business.

Go-Go's had changed significantly both price wise, demographic of customer-wise, and atmosphere-wise. Go-Go's that catered to Asian customers had very good looking girls that weren't particularly interested in westerners and were far less interactive than the days of old. Prices also increased dramatically, even on Soi 6 where gals seem to also to prefer Asian customers. During this time I found the G clubs, namely Kinnaree, to be very enjoyable. Always some lookers, very well priced, and fun. I often wished we had places like that in Bangkok. I also found some talented times amongst the small massage joints on Soi Honey. One really good thing about this particular era is it seems many of the gals discovered going to the gym. So there were plenty of fit women about.

Unfortunately I never made it down to Pattaya during Covid, which it seems as it was in Bangkok an absolutely marvelous time for our hobby.

Fast forward to this past weekend and I agreed to meet a group of friends that I haven't seen in over a decade down at the beach. Some were in town for the first time in ages and they decided that is where they wanted to meet up. After seeing recent videos from Pattaya my expectations were low, and my expectations did not let me down.

Arriving early on a Saturday afternoon I had a very nice three course lunch special that even included a glass of wine. Aside from seeing my friends, this was the highlight of the trip. I was also astounded at the insane number of people in Pattaya.

After checking into my hotel I decided to have a bit of a walkabout and check out the central Pattaya G clubs. Strolling down Soi Honey, I was immediately struck by the size and age of the majority of the women working. Both of those numbers needed to go in a southerly direction in order to be appealing. The G clubs I poked my head in were equally as disappointing, so I ventured back to the hotel for a rest.

Dinner with my friends was fantastic. It was wonderful to have a catch up. Afterwards we hit some of the bars on LK Metro. I was again absolutely gobsmacked at the lack of talent. Fat, old, dark, and ugly for the most part, and I was told these were the "best" Go-Go's. I saw maybe one or two that would pass muster, but not for what they were asking. After 3 or so bars I had seen enough and I broke off on my own to have another look at the G clubs that opened later. I was again taken aback at the lack of talent. Age and weight were definitely on display and it seems that the majority of gals working in Pattaya had forgotten where the gym was but haven't missed a meal and if perhaps added a few more meals during the day.

With my libido on the floor I decided to have a look and Beach Road. I wish I hadn't. Appalling is too nice of a word for more than one reason.

Although the talent isn't what it used to be in Bangkok, Fiwfans and the oilies have far better looking girls than what I saw in Pattaya this past weekend and I don't have to deal with the crowds of tourists. I'm also pretty assured of a certain level of performance. In all fairness, I didn't try TF down there, so maybe it is better.

So it was back to my hotel for a rather nice sleep during the cool night and a fairly early rise to grab a nice breakfast before catching the bus back to BKK, less than 24 hours after I arrived in Pattaya, probably not to return for quite a long time. Seeing the old alcoholics drinking beer in the bars open in the early morning on the way to the bus station was just the icing on the cake.Thats all I need to read in order to convince myself not to go over there. I have enough trouble in Bangkok to find my type and fat and old isn't it.

[Ass Addict]

Don't underestimate that it is pretty much dark inside the club. LOL.Picture from inside the club. You're the judge.

[Crocodilexp]

I was finally obligated to make a trip down to Pattaya, after not being there since before covid.

So it was back to my hotel for a rather nice sleep during the cool night and a fairly early rise to grab a nice breakfast before catching the bus back to BKK, less than 24 hours after I arrived in Pattaya, probably not to return for quite a long time. Seeing the old alcoholics drinking beer in the bars open in the early morning on the way to the bus station was just the icing on the cake.Love your reports, Goat. We seem to have a similar outlook on the Thailand scene. You saved me 2 days of hassle, I better stay in Bangkok. Soi 4 is not too bad with all the cheap and quick Vietnamese these days.

[Mr Enternational]

Tomboys are very common in Pattaya. A lot look exactly like men, you may not have noticed them. Some look like Kim Un Jung, but ladies like them.LOL. None of them look like men! They look like women that are trying to look like men.

[Goatscrot]

Love your reports, Goat. We seem to have a similar outlook on the Thailand scene. You saved me 2 days of hassle, I better stay in Bangkok. Soi 4 is not too bad with all the cheap and quick Vietnamese these days.Many thanks. Just reporting my experience, I'm sure others find treasure there. But it's not for me. Think you are doing the right thing staying in BKK. The Viets on 4 providing good service? What's the going rate?

BTW, oilies are quite good these days. The old favorites have some talent. FYI, seems 24/1 is nearing end of days.

[Goatscrot]

Thats all I need to read in order to convince myself not to go over there. I have enough trouble in Bangkok to find my type and fat and old isn't it.Glad to be of service. Sure there are some thin ones, but I certainly didn't see many. The ones I observed haven't missed a meal in a long time and are maybe eating a few extra.

[Crocodilexp]

The Viets on 4 providing good service? What's the going rate?Usually fine, and some are reasonably good (BBBJ, DFK, DATY, 69, many positions). Notably better than Viets in Malaysia or Singapore, but don't expect Tulip level PSE or old-style Thai GFE.

Unlike Thais, Viets are a bit more concerned about how long a session takes. They're on Soi 4 to hustle from 8 pm to 4 am each night, on a limited duration visa, so every hour counts. Thais, on the other hand, are more chill, just live here and try to make it through another day.

As for the going rate, they'll all quote 2000 baht if you ask, but most would go for 1000 or 1200 if you offer. Max I paid was 1500. There seems to be an agreement among the girls to quote 2000, more than one Viet would go with me for 1000, but specifically asked me not to tell other girls she did.

(sorry for posting on Pattaya section, this is in Bangkok. But this is where you asked).

As an aside, are there any Viets in Pattaya?

[Goatscrot]

Usually fine, and some are reasonably good (BBBJ, DFK, DATY, 69, many positions). Notably better than Viets in Malaysia or Singapore, but don't expect Tulip level PSE or old-style Thai GFE.

Unlike Thais, Viets are a bit more concerned about how long a session takes. They're on Soi 4 to hustle from 8 pm to 4 am each night, on a limited duration visa, so every hour counts. Thais, on the other hand, are more chill, just live here and try to make it through another day.

As for the going rate, they'll all quote 2000 baht if you ask, but most would go for 1000 or 1200 if you offer. Max I paid was 1500. There seems to be an agreement among the girls to quote 2000, more than one Viet would go with me for 1000, but specifically asked me not to tell other girls she did.

(sorry for posting on Pattaya section, this is in Bangkok. But this is where you asked).

As an aside, are there any Viets in Pattaya?Many thanks for the info. I'll have to have a look. Honestly, I didn't notice much else in Pattaya then fairly unattractive locals, however I did see a few Russian lookers, but they were with their Russian dudes.

[MohdirFan82]

All of you complaining about quality in Pattaya, did you ask yourself?

Did I put work into it?

Soi 6 has 100 bars, I found several stunners, yes I pay high for better quality and what I like.

Soi Bukhao had more then 1000 bars, have you looked?

I seen stunners, but you got to walk, you can't just sit in hotel and assume quality is bad.

Yes prices have went up but 8+ stunners were charge more way back then too.

Did you also check out Thai friendly and Massage palors? I don't think so.

I prefer Pattaya any day. There is famous saying " Pattaya has something for everybody ".

You just need to look a little.


Many thanks for the info. I'll have to have a look. Honestly, I didn't notice much else in Pattaya then fairly unattractive locals, however I did see a few Russian lookers, but they were with their Russian dudes.

[Explorer8939]

LOL. None of them look like men! They look like women that are trying to look like men.It seems you missed the Tomboys who look exactly like men.

[Intrepid123]

All of you complaining about quality in Pattaya, did you ask yourself?

Did I put work into it?

Soi 6 has 100 bars, I found several stunners, yes I pay high for better quality and what I like.

Soi Bukhao had more then 1000 bars, have you looked?

I seen stunners, but you got to walk, you can't just sit in hotel and assume quality is bad.

Yes prices have went up but 8+ stunners were charge more way back then too.

Did you also check out Thai friendly and Massage palors? I don't think so.

I prefer Pattaya any day. There is famous saying " Pattaya has something for everybody ".

You just need to look a little.Exactly. Pattaya's lineup has never had more stunners. But when you look through grumpy glasses all you see are the fat / ugly ones. There are hidden gems (some no so hidden) everywhere if you look properly.

[Mr Enternational]

It seems you missed the Tomboys who look exactly like men.Maybe that is because I know a man from a woman. Just like guys that come on this site saying they did not know the chick was a dude, but from the picture it is pretty obvious (to me anyway).

[Goatscrot]

All of you complaining about quality in Pattaya, did you ask yourself?

Did I put work into it?

Soi 6 has 100 bars, I found several stunners, yes I pay high for better quality and what I like.

Soi Bukhao had more then 1000 bars, have you looked?

I seen stunners, but you got to walk, you can't just sit in hotel and assume quality is bad.

Yes prices have went up but 8+ stunners were charge more way back then too.

Did you also check out Thai friendly and Massage palors? I don't think so.

I prefer Pattaya any day. There is famous saying " Pattaya has something for everybody ".

You just need to look a little.I walked over 25 k steps, so yes I put in the work. My friend, Pattaya is a shadow of what it was 20 years ago when it comes to p4 p. Soi 6 was one of my favorite places on the planet before the nightwish group bought all the bars and turned them from closed quiet brothels to loud open beer bars. You could basically hear a pin drop when you walk down the street 15 years ago. It was fantastic. Now it's simply loud and obnoxious. And as I said in my report sitting and buying drinks was completely optional back then. You could just point at the gal you wanted and head upstairs.

If you read my report you will find that I checked the G clubs and the massage parlors along Soi Honey and other places. LK Metro's talent was sorely lacking. And no, stunners were exactly the same price as all the other gals were back in the day.

I do plenty of online in BKK, but Fiwfans not TF. The locals' pond is overall much more desirable to fish in.

Aside from the preponderance of good inexpensive Western food, which is great, Patters doesn't really offer much for me. My favorite time to go back in the day was low season, and as I said you could shoot a cannon down most of the Sois and not hit anybody. But there was plenty of talent and most of the dudes down there during that time were not tourists, but locals, and the gals knew that and treated us as such. Even then I avoided the place December through Chinese New Year.
I see more good looking girls on the BTS in 15 min everyday and walking around the neighborhood I live in than I did in the entertainment areas in Patters.
And also, I find all the aging dudes who seem to live for the next beer hanging about in their shorts and tank tops to be incredibly depressing.

These days I'll take Bangkok any day.

[EverythingThai]

I walked over 25 k steps, so yes I put in the work. My friend, Pattaya is a shadow of what it was 20 years ago when it comes to p4 p. Soi 6 was one of my favorite places on the planet before the nightwish group bought all the bars and turned them from closed quiet brothels to loud open beer bars. You could basically hear a pin drop when you walk down the street 15 years ago. It was fantastic. Now it's simply loud and obnoxious. And as I said in my report sitting and buying drinks was completely optional back then. You could just point at the gal you wanted and head upstairs.

If you read my report you will find that I checked the G clubs and the massage parlors along Soi Honey and other places. LK Metro's talent was sorely lacking. And no, stunners were exactly the same price as all the other gals were back in the day.

I do plenty of online in BKK, but Fiwfans not TF. The locals' pond is overall much more desirable to fish in.

Aside from the preponderance of good inexpensive Western food, which is great, Patters doesn't really offer much for me. My favorite time to go back in the day was low season, and as I said you could shoot a cannon down most of the Sois and not hit anybody. But there was plenty of talent and most of the dudes down there during that time were not tourists, but locals, and the gals knew that and treated us as such. Even then I avoided the place December through Chinese New Year.
I see more good looking girls on the BTS in 15 min everyday and walking around the neighborhood I live in than I did in the entertainment areas in Patters.
And also, I find all the aging dudes who seem to live for the next beer hanging about in their shorts and tank tops to be incredibly depressing.

These days I'll take Bangkok any day.Hey Goats. You make a lot of good points about Pattaya. Let me tell you how I see it. Pattaya is a huge playground for adults. It's like a huge nana or a huge soi cowboy. Therefore, the 7-10's will be spread out all over the place. The gents clubs will have one or two at each. Then there is soi 6. Each bar will have a few but there are just so many bars. Yes they have a lot of pressure to buy drinks and I get that, but about talent, it's is clearly there. Have prices gone up, yes. Times are changing. Then there is walking street. The good go go bars will have groups of stunners, but you will need to spend big. Then there is TF. This is the best way for you in my opinion to find stunners in Pattaya. The prices will be reasonable and drinks are completely out of the equation. My opinion on pats is there is more variety and P4 P is easier to find, cheaper and the action can be dirty as fuck. This means it's easier to get BBFS, easier to find a threesome and easier to walk into a club like Maggie Mays and get in bar action. Am awesome place to visit but not my cup of tea to stay full time. I have been there and done that and now I am 70% in BKK and 30% in Patts.

Now about Bangkok. My favorite part of BKK is the local scene as you put it. Fiw Fans, and T-Ded 99 offer access to in my opinion, a better quality of lady for the same price or less than a ST with a girl in Pattaya from TF. I like white skin so BKK suits me better. Then going to the clubs in BKK or massage or a gents club you will find the girls are just classier. They dress to the 9's and you need to up your game as well. Meaning more money as well. Try going into Levels in flip flops or into a roof top bar in your cargo shorts. Even the girls in Thermae and the soapie massage shops are better looking and classier. In BKK I find myself staying more and more away from the tourist haunts and more and more in the local haunts. If I ever want to go into a go go bar, I normally choose crazy house on the edge of Soi Cowboy on soi 23. Always stunners and they are completely nude on stage. TF in Bangkok was awesome before and during Covid, these days it has just gone down hill in BKK. Over all BKK for a tourist will be more expensive, but for an expat comfortable in the local haunts, you will have a blast.

This is my 2 cents Goats. Pattaya is a great place to visit, but the hunt is becoming less and less attractive to me. Now I have my spots like Maggie Mays, club fate, XS and Pin Up just to name a few. That's all I need. I'm not one to try new places in Patts anymore. Heaven Above is on my to do list though. About TF in Patts, it's just too easy. Log in, choose a girl, invite her over and that's it. BKK is too much headache.

My final thoughts, in the words of Tony Soprano, remember when is the lowest form of conversation. This meaning I dont dwell on the past and what once was. I just adapt if I want to continue to play in the normal farang pool and choose the places where I best fit in. Then I do the same as you and visit the local haunts to experience something much better in my opinion and different. Thanks for your recent posts on Pattaya. They offer a unique perspective from some that can compare the way it once was and what it is now. Do I like the new Patts or the old Patts? For me thats a hard question to answer. I guess it depends on the type of venue I am in. Cheers Mate.

[Goatscrot]

Hey Goats. You make a lot of good points about Pattaya. Let me tell you how I see it. Pattaya is a huge playground for adults. It's like a huge nana or a huge soi cowboy. Therefore, the 7-10's will be spread out all over the place. The gents clubs will have one or two at each. Then there is soi 6. Each bar will have a few but there are just so many bars. Yes they have a lot of pressure to buy drinks and I get that, but about talent, it's is clearly there. Have prices gone up, yes. Times are changing. Then there is walking street. The good go go bars will have groups of stunners, but you will need to spend big. Then there is TF. This is the best way for you in my opinion to find stunners in Pattaya. The prices will be reasonable and drinks are completely out of the equation. My opinion on pats is there is more variety and P4 P is easier to find, cheaper and the action can be dirty as fuck. This means it's easier to get BBFS, easier to find a threesome and easier to walk into a club like Maggie Mays and get in bar action. Am awesome place to visit but not my cup of tea to stay full time. I have been there and done that and now I am 70% in BKK and 30% in Patts.

Now about Bangkok. My favorite part of BKK is the local scene as you put it. Fiw Fans, and T-Ded 99 offer access to in my opinion, a better quality of lady for the same price or less than a ST with a girl in Pattaya from TF. I like white skin so BKK suits me better. Then going to the clubs in BKK or massage or a gents club you will find the girls are just classier. They dress to the 9's and you need to up your game as well. Meaning more money as well. Try going into Levels in flip flops or into a roof top bar in your cargo shorts. Even the girls in Thermae and the soapie massage shops are better looking and classier. In BKK I find myself staying more and more away from the tourist haunts and more and more in the local haunts. If I ever want to go into a go go bar, I normally choose crazy house on the edge of Soi Cowboy on soi 23. Always stunners and they are completely nude on stage. TF in Bangkok was awesome before and during Covid, these days it has just gone down hill in BKK. Over all BKK for a tourist will be more expensive, but for an expat comfortable in the local haunts, you will have a blast.

This is my 2 cents Goats. Pattaya is a great place to visit, but the hunt is becoming less and less attractive to me. Now I have my spots like Maggie Mays, club fate, XS and Pin Up just to name a few. That's all I need. I'm not one to try new places in Patts anymore. Heaven Above is on my to do list though. About TF in Patts, it's just too easy. Log in, choose a girl, invite her over and that's it. BKK is too much headache.

My final thoughts, in the words of Tony Soprano, remember when is the lowest form of conversation. This meaning I dont dwell on the past and what once was. I just adapt if I want to continue to play in the normal farang pool and choose the places where I best fit in. Then I do the same as you and visit the local haunts to experience something much better in my opinion and different. Thanks for your recent posts on Pattaya. They offer a unique perspective from some that can compare the way it once was and what it is now. Do I like the new Patts or the old Patts? For me thats a hard question to answer. I guess it depends on the type of venue I am in. Cheers Mate.Excellent post. Yeah, I have to agree, the hunt is getting far less attractive as I get older. And I guess that was part of my frustration with Patters.

In fact, I've gotten so complacent I would rather hit the oilies in Asoke Phrom Pong then traipse out to Rachada 17 for Fiwfans gals. And I've found lots of gals in the oilies that are pure filth. I don't engage in BBFS, but everything else I like to be on the table. Love a good three holer and "rimming is not a city in China," and I've found plenty of willing participants. I must say that pre-covid there was a mark to decline in the oilies and I thought the pandemic would kill them off, but they've made a roaring comeback, but we have the impending closure of the ones on 24/1 in the not too distant future due to the sale of the property, and we shall have to see how that affects the scene. I know many shops have already opened second locations or are currently scouting. 22,33, 18, and 20 seem to be the locations of choice.

[Mr Enternational]

And also, I find all the aging dudes who seem to live for the next beer hanging about in their shorts and tank tops to be incredibly depressing.Those are all tourists though. My girlfriend said she used to see the same thing at the bar across from the place she worked before. Early in the morning guy is drinking beers them goes to his room to sleep. Wake up and go back to the bar to drink more beers then goes back to sleep. She found herself wondering how much beer do these mfs need to drink. Most of the guys that live in Pattaya have shit to do during the day and are not going to be sitting around drinking.

[SubCmdr]

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[KrumeLurer]

All of you complaining about quality in Pattaya, did you ask yourself?

Did I put work into it?

Soi 6 has 100 bars, I found several stunners, yes I pay high for better quality and what I like.

Soi Bukhao had more then 1000 bars, have you looked?

I seen stunners, but you got to walk, you can't just sit in hotel and assume quality is bad.

Yes prices have went up but 8+ stunners were charge more way back then too.

Did you also check out Thai friendly and Massage palors? I don't think so.

I prefer Pattaya any day. There is famous saying " Pattaya has something for everybody ".

You just need to look a little.Eh? Soi 6 has 100 bars? No it has not maximum 30 of them. And soi bukhao dos not have 1000 bars. How are you counting? Or were you smashed drunk your whole time in Pattaya?

Back before 2019 there was 8+ on soi 6 that accepted 1000 baht. Just like there are those girls now around thailand that accept that price for local men.

Inflation in Thailand has not been +100%.

Quality in Pattaya is generell lower than it used to be. Yes you can look and find but what you see in some bars is bad. Older and fatter women. No way those bars would have started out one time in history with that staff. The reason it is still carrying on is because the whole infrastructure is in place form older times.

[MohdirFan82]

Not trying to argue with you seems you are keyboard warrior. There are tons of ugly girls, but there are gems to be find here and there. Unlike Bangkok, its little hard to find them.


Eh? Soi 6 has 100 bars? No ithas not maximum 30 of them. And soi bukhao dos not have 1000 bars. How are you counting? Or were you smashed drunk your whole time in Pattaya?

Back before 2019 there was 8+ on soi 6 that accepted 1000 baht. Just like there are those girls now around thailand that accept that price for local men.

Inflation in Thailand has not been +100%.

Quality in Pattaya is generell lower than it used to be. Yes you can look and find but what you see in some bars is bad. Older and fatter women. No way those bars would have started out one time in history with that staff. The reason it is still carrying on is because the whole infrastructure is in place form older times.

[Mogwai]

Eh? Soi 6 has 100 bars? No it has not maximum 30 of them. And soi bukhao dos not have 1000 bars. How are you counting? Or were you smashed drunk your whole time in Pattaya?Eh, soi 6 has 30 bars? In 2022 there were 78, and I think it hasn't changed much since then.
https://www.mikebaird-amusingthaicartoons.com/pattaya-maps-2023

And Soi Bukhao is very long, with many bars. Although 1000 is obviously an exaggaration.

[Mogwai]

This is my 2 cents Goats. Pattaya is a great place to visit, but the hunt is becoming less and less attractive to me. Now I have my spots like Maggie Mays, club fate, XS and Pin Up just to name a few. That's all I need. I'm not one to try new places in Patts anymore. Heaven Above is on my to do list though. About TF in Patts, it's just too easy. Log in, choose a girl, invite her over and that's it. BKK is too much headache.You can scrap Heaven Above from your to do list. It's terrible. The quality there is comparable to the pictures of Club Excite that Ass Addict posted recently.

I have the same experience with TF in BKK: too much headache. But the massage joints at Sukhumvit Soi 24 are a good alternative.

[EverythingThai]

You can scrap Heaven Above from your to do list. It's terrible. The quality there is comparable to the pictures of Club Excite that Ass Addict posted recently.

I have the same experience with TF in BKK: too much headache. But the massage joints at Sukhumvit Soi 24 are a good alternative.I have heard some good things about Heaven Above and seen some photos of some of the ladies. There are in my opinion 3 nice ones there. About the service, I have heard it is very comparable to Club Fate which makes me very interested to try it. The girls will pretty much do anything from what I understand. The place seems to be filled with clients every time I passed by. In fact, every time I have tried to go in, there was no place to sit. That must say something. Either other punters don't have the same taste in ladies as you do, or they don't post all the lady's photos on their social media or advertising. Have you been there before? If so I'm really interested in a more specific review from you. That would help me a lot. Thanks in advance.

About that whole Soi in general. I neglected to mention Play Girlz as one of my regular places. I have a VIP card there that gets me 20% off all purchases. I love this place because it has that go go bar exterior on the outside, but when you get in there, it's really a high class gents club. Most of the ladies are hot. I also like the shows they put on. Reminds me of the old Angel witch in nana plaza in Bangkok.

Then opposite there is Cat House. A beautiful club inside with some nice girls, but the place seems to be cursed. Any business in there can't seem to survive. Carlos from Play Girlz may or may not have something to do with that. It's a theory of mine that I have yet to be able to prove or disprove.

Then around the corner and left from Soi Boomarang on the back side is wild 69 bar. They stream a lot online and employ a lot of Laos and Cambodian girls there. Most are known for their no holds barred encounters.

[BionicMan]

Eh, soi 6 has 30 bars? In 2022 there were 78, and I think it hasn't changed much since then.
https://www.mikebaird-amusingthaicartoons.com/pattaya-maps-2023

And Soi Bukhao is very long, with many bars. Although 1000 is obviously an exaggaration.I can't see 78 doors in that kind of sois. 78 bars would mean 78 doors and at least 78 units.

1000 bars in buakhow? I have not done the math, but I bet the whole stretch of road is appr 2 km, being generous. That means a bar every 5 meters.

Whoever has been there knows there is plenty of other businesses in that road.