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But rather than telling me to shut the fuck up, perhaps you should respond to my reports in a cogent, reasonable manner and correct my errors so that others don't make the same mistakes. Isn't that one of the purposes of this board? Telling me to shut the fuck up isn't necessarily the smartest course of action.
Either you are arrogant beyond belief or you are a troll.Gee Ira, I never libelled you!
As for your critics " for a forum about getting laid, it seem some of us on this thread needs to get laidCan't dispute that, DownTowner!
Perhaps I was a little too harsh in critisising Kumbu's reports and I will correct myself in that should have begun my "counter" opinion report with a "disclaimer" so "not to make the same mistake, twice" let me begin this report with:
"The following opinions are the writer's only and do not, in any way, mean to imply that they are shared by others!"
It will also save me from typing numerous "IMOs"!
The minute details of a paid sexual encounter with a Pattaya Thai SP(or, for that matter, any SP at any location in the world!) especially in the long, drawn-out manner you report in, serves no worthwhile purpose except to entice the readers! I'm certain some like to be enticed(like Ira!) but I find no worthwhile purpose in it!
I like to gain knowledge from this website; others like to be entertained(see above)...so be it and describing in detail what you did with any SP does not add to my knowledge base!
After all, we(the thread readers that agree with me, of course!) all have our own ideas on what constitutes good sex and what we would like to do(or have done to us) in a paid(or, for that matter, unpaid!) sexual encounter!
Also, IMO, what you typed thousands of words to describe could have been summed by reporting "I went with ________ to my hotel room and she kept her promise and we had a great night together" Period!
Unless something happened that was above and beyond "same old, same old"(like entering in a thought process for the beginning an emotional attachment to an SP that you just had paid sex with!), to repeat:
This girl seemed to be genuinely interested in pleasing me, and she was enjoying herself too. I like that. I like her. Uh-oh..
Red flags go up and this information is definitely worth sharing!
This website's threads would be better served if reports specific to paid sex with SPs,(such as names, vital statistics, locations, prices, availability, opinions on quality of sessions, any problems encountered, etc.!) would be shared in a direct, concise manner without a lot of uninformative "window dressing" added!
Save your "minutial" details script and submit it to Penthouse Magazine, contact details at:
penthousemagazine.com
for "The Penthouse Forum", so "you know who" can read and enjoy them:
I like Penthouse Forum.Cheers!
I was out and about in central Pattay last Thursday when I decided to pop into Secrets Bar to watch one of the World Cup matches. I was just sipping a soda and minding my own business when a voluptuous Mukdahan princess parked herself next to me with a dice game and a friendly smile. I knew what she was up to (i.e., working), but I'm not a big football fan, so it was a pleasant distraction.
When I first decided to check bin my plan was to go home alone. But I guess the princess' magic worked as I paid her bar fine and off we went into the night in search of some Isaan food. We found some chicken, greens, bamboo shoots, fish, sticky rice, etc, and went back to my quiet, little hotel on Soi LK Metro to enjoy it. On the way we stopped at a "7" for some water, and the zaftig sweetie bought a packaged wet towel, and to my surprise, yogurt(?).
Once well fed and well washed we went deep for a couple of rounds. She was good. At about 3:30am she muttered something in Thai-Lao-glish about a facial. Huh?
No, not that kind. The insatiable honey wanted to give me a yogurt facial! I was in a go with the flow mood by this point in the wee morning, so I laid my head back on a pillow and let her do her thing. In Thailand, there's a first time for everything it seems...
A couple more spirited rounds the next morning, and she was off at the crack of noon. I was left with very smooth cheeks, and a number of rather mean looking bites on my neck. As I looked at my distorted image in the mirror I can only imagine that the yogurt made her more than a little crazy, and she could not control her inner beast any longer!
A couple of nights later I stopped at Secrets and I saw her sitting and smiling slyly with another guy (victim?). Nevertheless, despite my black and blue neck, I'll remember my strange little Pattaya Twilight Saga...on a full moon night!
ps: a few pics from around town for your viewing pleasure
Normad2020
06-29-10, 08:14
I strongly support Ira's view on the way Kumbu was "attacked". Although I am not a regular contributor to the Thailand forum but I really enjoyed the FR from Kumbu. I found it enlightening whilst at the same time entertaining.
I am sadden by the fact that in this day and age, we cannot just enjoy a good and well-written piece of article or Field Report (FR) without resorting to some form of negative criticism.
Finding someone like Kumbu who still practices the art of good writing is few and far in-between. Can I be so bold as to seek a show of support for Kumbu to continue contributing to the Thailand forum or any other forum in ISG? Kumbu you have my vote with a big Thank you.
Cheers
Lexb;
With all due respect, I feel it is not the best choice for you to speak for others. In this forum, you have seen many people praise Kumbu's reports. I am a huge fan, and yes, I like Penthouse Forum. The difference is I believe Kumbu's adventures happened.
Each person has his own tastes. For example, I like shaved girls but there are some in my home forum over in China that would use my preference to start a vigorous discussion, even going so far as to use the word 'mutilation.' However, these discussions do not devolve into personal attacks.
I do not speak for others. However, I would much rather enjoy a debate of opinions here than outright attacks and claims that you represent the majority.
Either you are arrogant beyond belief or you are a troll. Either way, I hope you will reconsider the way you attack this man.
Ira
...finding someone like kumbu who still practices the art of good writing is few and far in-between. can i be so bold as to seek a show of support for kumbu to continue contributing to the thailand forum or any other forum in isg? kumbu you have my vote with a big thank you. cheersthumbs up for kumbu! someday, i'll get to the end of one of his reports...
i think he should write speeches for america's gun-toting sweetheart, sarah palin. he definitely has a lot more intelligent things to say! ;)
maybe he will start writing to the thai wankers association about atm fees?
Rubberyman
06-29-10, 08:33
And how much did pay for this sterile experience? I've never had a girl in Pattaya suggest a cbj. I've only had girls who refused bj outright. Wow, Pattaya must be changing!
Yup, the other day, I had a Soi 6 girl turn me down for the bbbj, cbu ok, but no bbbj.
So, I just paid for the LD and walked a couple of bars down to the dancing club (?) and got what I wanted. Easy.
Lexb;
Either you are arrogant beyond belief or you are a troll. Either way, I hope you will reconsider the way you attack this man.For sure, Kumbu does not need us to defend him. His writings give him all the credibility he needs on this forum, and I am astonished that anyone would attack such literate and intelligent (and interesting) posts.
Lexb, looking at your posts however, you seem to travel the world virtually, ie by posting a series of argumentative posts in a whole range of country threads, but with very few (if any) actual experiences... Perhaps you should think about making some positive contributions yourself before you criticize others, and gain some respect?
Boob Magnet
06-29-10, 09:27
I just wanted to chime in my support for Kumbu's posts which I think are very entertaining. Keep it up (in more ways than one).
I don't post often for fear of my wife ever finding out, but for the guys who like a vuloputous woman, there is a gorgeous one at Tim's named the who has a beautiful sultry face, huge rack, and an amazing Valkyrie tattoo on her lower back. She's the first WG that ever wanted me to help her come after I finished. I thought that was pretty cool that she enjoyed herself as well.
Pattaya is definitely one of the best places in the world (I've been almost everywhere) and I'm jealous of you that get to go back since I might never again have that opportunity. My best to all.
Lexb, looking at your posts however, you seem to travel the world virtually, ie by posting a series of argumentative posts in a whole range of country threads, but with very few (if any) actual experiencesI am flattered that, who I consider, an excellent ISG poster would "put me in my place"!
Since you don't know me, personally, and don't know exactly where I have or haven't been, I have been to all the places I write about with the exception of Melbourne, Australia and Chisinau, Moldava(but, re-read my reports and do not confuse all my location headings with information and/or opinions given as, on a few occasions, my topic was information requested).
In these two series of opinionated reports, respectively, I gave my personal beliefs about pricing of a particular sexual act and, in the Chisinau thread, responded to, what I considered, a report full of misinformation(actually, lies, is closer to the truth!).
Once again, just my opinion in both, nothing more, nothing less and I don't expect everyone(or anyone) to agree with me but I would be more than happy to change opinions if I was proven incorrect by a contradicting opinion(not just, "mind your own business" or "you don't know what the hell you are talking about", etc.!).
But, Mouse1, attacking me personally by implying that I have contributed little or nothing informational to the website, IMO, is a "cheap shot" and does not represent your usual level of reporting! If you re-read my any of my reports, I hope you will alter your opinion of me, just a little!
Admittedly, I'm not as nearly as good as you but I do try!
Have I angered you that much? If, so, I apologize as I am not mean-spirited by nature but, possibly, to a fault, I try to live my life by thinking in a logical and reasonable manner!
Perhaps, Mouse1, it is a conflict of our interpretation of this website as I rely on it for a source of valuable information and get "put off" when a report goes, what is IMO, way "off topic" with desciptive language with, I consider, no informational value!
Cheers!
GoodEnough
06-29-10, 11:01
Remember the old saying: "those who can do, and those who can't become critics?" I think that's the major difference between Kumbu, who writes highly entertaining, literate, self-deprecating posts, that have taken him some time and reflection to write, and Lex what's his name, who has probably never left Idaho.
GE
I for one will miss Kumbu's reports until the next time he is in Thailand.
Most entertaining, and as he says nobody is forced to read them.
At the end of the day all that matters is whether Kumbu was happy with the girls he took and the money he paid. And by all accounts he has many many happy memories of his recent trip to Thailand. In addition many of us over here who don't have the same regular opportunity to "monger" are able to share his exploits.
Good on you Kumbu!
Hotman 666
06-29-10, 11:51
Like many of my fellow mongers I have enjoyed Kumbu’s recent Thailand reports immensely.
Good on you Kumbu!
You made the most of every minute of your stay, enjoyed so, so many different experiences and, more importantly took the time and trouble to post reports so that your fellow mongers could enjoy also.
Although I do not often post in the Thailand section, as I am an “infrequent” visitor to the L.O.S. I have read Kumbu’s recent reports on a daily basis.
His interesting, humorous and informative reports have brightened up many boring days for me and make a welcome change from the “Where can I find a …………” or “How much should I pay for …………..” posts from punters who obviously have not R.T.F.F.
I too have had many experiences where the girl “seemed to be enjoying herself” and where she has stayed well over the previously agreed time.
OK, perhaps the girl in question has been a better than usual actress and giving me what she believed I wanted just to extort a tip but, just perhaps, there are occasions where a P4P encounter can be an enjoyable and pleasant experience for both parties.
Like Kumbu, I also have experienced, what I believe was true affection from (and for) several working girls that I have met over the years.
Just don’t fall IN LOVE with any of them!
Kumbu, if we ever meet I owe you (at least) a beer!!
Enjoy,
Hotman.
P.S.
Anyone know where I can get a,
KUMBU FOR KING!
Tee shirt made ?
Angus Magee
06-29-10, 13:00
Anyone know where I can get a,
KUMBU FOR KING!
Tee shirt made ?
I too tip my hat and wag my tail for Kumbu and his excellent reportage over here in the Thailand threads. So much so in fact that Kumbu becomes the first featured ISG poster in my new Mongers I Admire Series on the Angus Magee Blog.
http://www.angusmagee.com/
Thanks so much Kumbu for your always fascinating contribution to the ISG forum.
AM
Saint Mint
06-29-10, 14:02
Not sure if I have been mentioned somewhere in the recent reports by the Sir Kumbu fan club?
Just in case my postings are being tainted with the 'Not really happened category,' this is my take on it.
When you live in a City like Pattaya (which is really just like a village) for many years many strange things can happen. Good and bad. Over the years I have had my share of both. My sexual experiences have been good and bad as well as some probably unbeliveable. The unbeliveables do not happen every day, month or even year. Sometimes the gaps can be years. I do understand that if I write them down in a few sentences they might seem unbeliveable. It's up to the reader to believe what they want to believe. But, everthing I have written has actually happened. The good, the bad and the unbelivable.
Yup, the other day, I had a Soi 6 girl turn me down for the bbbj, cbu ok, but no bbbj.
So, I just paid for the LD and walked a couple of bars down to the dancing club (?) and got what I wanted. Easy.
Wow, on soi 6? WTF? What bar was this at? Soi 6, the dirtiest, sleaziest place in Pattaya offering a cbj? Unreal! Boy that is so sad to hear.
On a side note: I've had about 20 girls (all 21yo or younger) from soi 6 in the last several months. About 75% quoted 1000 ST + 300 room and all came down to 700 + 300. 25% quoted 700 + 300 for room and only a few came down to 500 + 300.
Conclusion= times are changing.
Once again, I have no argument here. I may very well have a skewed perspective on this and all other things in life, but that's me. And I am sure there are others in the world like me, so you gentlemen should comment on this skewed perspective and try to correct it. I am almost done with my reports, so you should all breath a sigh of relief that your eyes will no longer be held open while you are forced to read these long reports. I'm *almost* done...
I'm certain that I speak for the vast majority of the members of this forum when I say that your reports will be sorely missed. I've enjoyed every one of them and they've contained valuable advice on hotels, restaurants, transportation, women, bars, gogos, etc., written beautifully by a gifted author. But you also weren't afraid to let your ego go and report your true inner feelings. Your reports drew me in and kept me hanging on every word.
Thank you for your fresh and entertaining perspective too often written about by members who write with what appears to be a 3rd grade education,
Best of luck to you.
I am flattered that, who I consider, an excellent ISG poster would "put me in my place"!
Since you don't know me, personally, and don't know exactly where I have or haven't been, I have been to all the places I write about with the exception of Melbourne, Australia and Chisinau, Moldava(but, re-read my reports and do not confuse all my location headings with information and/or opinions given as, on a few occasions, my topic was information requested).
In these two series of opinionated reports, respectively, I gave my personal beliefs about pricing of a particular sexual act and, in the Chisinau thread, responded to, what I considered, a report full of misinformation(actually, lies, is closer to the truth!).
Once again, just my opinion in both, nothing more, nothing less and I don't expect everyone(or anyone) to agree with me but I would be more than happy to change opinions if I was proven incorrect by a contradicting opinion(not just, "mind your own business" or "you don't know what the hell you are talking about", etc.!).
But, Mouse1, attacking me personally by implying that I have contributed little or nothing informational to the website, IMO, is a "cheap shot" and does not represent your usual level of reporting! If you re-read my any of my reports, I hope you will alter your opinion of me, just a little!
Admittedly, I'm not as nearly as good as you but I do try!
Have I angered you that much? If, so, I apologize as I am not mean-spirited by nature but, possibly, to a fault, I try to live my life by thinking in a logical and reasonable manner!
Perhaps, Mouse1, it is a conflict of our interpretation of this website as I rely on it for a source of valuable information and get "put off" when a report goes, what is IMO, way "off topic" with desciptive language with, I consider, no informational value!
Cheers!
When I looked up "No informational value" in the dictionary, the above report showed up.
Many times, I have read a report, and thought "I should PM or write something in the forum saying what a great / funny / informative / interesting / sad / unfortunate report that was", or whatever the case may be.
Never could be bothered. I file that under "good intentions, but too lazy".
Kumbus reports have been the most fun, enjoyable, interesting reports I have read for a loooooong time. Well written, excellent spelling and grammer (;)), sometimes heart wrenching, but always a good read.
A punter like the rest of us? Of course, nothing more, nothing less. But a punter who can tell a good story. What a lovely change from "where is this", or "how much should I tip", or "this girl loves me, she is different from other girls," and finally, my favorite, "what ATM doesn't charge 150 Bt", etc.
Kumbu's name has come up several times in PM between me and other members, and always in a positive way.
So, Kumbu, thanks for sharing your adventures. Hope there are more to come in the near future, wherever you go next.
This website's threads would be better served if reports specific to paid sex with SPs,(such as names, vital statistics, locations, prices, availability, opinions on quality of sessions, any problems encountered, etc.!) would be shared in a direct, concise manner without a lot of uninformative "window dressing" added!
Save your "minutial" details script and submit it to Penthouse Magazine, contact details at:
penthousemagazine.com
for "The Penthouse Forum", so "you know who" can read and enjoy them:
Cheers!
I agree. I'm bothered to start reading a post only to find how some guy is soooo happy to have gotten laid and fallen in love. He has to describe in detail about the whole experience like he's never gotten laid in his whole life.
Who gives a fuck? I don't. I'm interested in new pussy deals and where they can be obtained.
This is about getting pussy. Prices, places, and services provided is all I'm interested in.
The more objective the post the better.
On the flip side, you can always click the ignore button and weed out the love birds! LOL !Happy Hunting!
You said it best in that if people don't like your posts then they don't have to read them.
It's the gays that fingr point and create arguments that should be reported and they wil be droped down to regular member. Look at how many I's are in their reports. So selfish.
Will be in Pattaya in 1 week and curious about the freelance action on beach road. Anyone have a recent observation with ratings and prices?
thanks
lex, it's like this, mate - "pood Thai dai?" If it's "mai dai" then you certainly don't exactly have a lot to contribute to the discussion.
The only people I criticize are those who don't contribute USEFUL information (and, to be honest, I have even done a few reports that fall into that category, so "I are one, too").
So... let's all just get on with it and get over it (wounded pride and all that...)
I am flattered that, who I consider, an excellent ISG poster would "put me in my place"!
Since you don't know me, personally, and don't know exactly where I have or haven't been, I have been to all the places I write about with the exception of Melbourne, Australia and Chisinau, Moldava(but, re-read my reports and do not confuse all my location headings with information and/or opinions given as, on a few occasions, my topic was information requested).
In these two series of opinionated reports, respectively, I gave my personal beliefs about pricing of a particular sexual act and, in the Chisinau thread, responded to, what I considered, a report full of misinformation(actually, lies, is closer to the truth!).
Once again, just my opinion in both, nothing more, nothing less and I don't expect everyone(or anyone) to agree with me but I would be more than happy to change opinions if I was proven incorrect by a contradicting opinion(not just, "mind your own business" or "you don't know what the hell you are talking about", etc.!).
But, Mouse1, attacking me personally by implying that I have contributed little or nothing informational to the website, IMO, is a "cheap shot" and does not represent your usual level of reporting! If you re-read my any of my reports, I hope you will alter your opinion of me, just a little!
Admittedly, I'm not as nearly as good as you but I do try!
Have I angered you that much? If, so, I apologize as I am not mean-spirited by nature but, possibly, to a fault, I try to live my life by thinking in a logical and reasonable manner!
Perhaps, Mouse1, it is a conflict of our interpretation of this website as I rely on it for a source of valuable information and get "put off" when a report goes, what is IMO, way "off topic" with desciptive language with, I consider, no informational value!
Cheers!Ha ha! Flattery will always win me over! :) And actually I didn't mean to imply that you hadn't been to those places; it was just my poor grammatical style. So apologies for that.
Let's just agree to differ, but as Kumbu says, you don't have to read the reports, and I for one think the world would be a poorer place without them.
Meanwhile, does anyone know of an ATM where I can withdraw cash without being charged?
Gentlemen,
Someone once described my writing style as literary masturbation. I think this pisses some people off, and I understand why. I prefaced my month of reports with the following note,
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in which I warned people that my reports may not suite everyone's taste. That last paragraph was particularly prophetic.
I think it is time we moved on from this discussion, but not before I do two things. The first is to give a HUGE thanks to all of you who spoke up in my support. I really do appreciate it. It is gratifying to know that my reports were of interest to at least some of you. Second, I want to sum up my thoughts on what this little spat has brought to light. After that, I will move on – I promise. I have two more reports left to post (both on the BKK thread), and then I will be done.
So. To sum up my thoughts, here are some quotes and some quick responses to them.
The minute details of a paid sexual encounter with a Pattaya Thai SP...especially in the long, drawn-out manner you report in, serves no worthwhile purpose...Wrong.
This website's threads would be better served if...Wrong again.
This is about getting pussy...The more objective the post the better.Different member, but still wrong.
The only thing worth reading about on this thread is touchy-feely emotional descriptions.Different (hypothetical) member, and still wrong.
All these quotes show people assuming that their opinion is universal. Just because *I* want pussy, pussy, pussy, then everyone must also want the same thing. Just because *I* dislike your reports, the website's threads would be better served...And this is further supported by remarks such as these:
I find no worthwhile purpose in it!Correct.
describing in detail what you did with any SP does not add to my knowledge base!Correct.
I am sometimes offended by some of the things said by some people (e.g., “Thai girls are only good for fucking! Take em to your room , fuck em, then kick em out. Repeat cycle!”), but not once have I ever told a member that such reports are useless or unwarranted or have no place here. These are opinions, and they will be useful to some people (not me, but to some), and so they should be aired.
Gentlemen, we are all different. Angus Magee, in his most excellent blog (to which there is a link below, and which I highly recommend) has a post about how he can't help but get emotionally involved with P4P girls. This despite knowing full well that nothing will come of it – that he is probably being played by the girls. This is essentially the way I am. Reading his posts and blog, I find solace in knowing that there is at least one other who shares my experience. And if there are two of us, there must be more. This means that such experiences (emotionally charged or otherwise) are a genuine part of this activity we engage in. Just because money exchanges hands does not make me into an automaton. And the fact that some of us engage in this activity in this manner (and not in the pussy, pussy, pussy method espoused by the gentlemen quoted above), makes it relevant. Whether they like it or not.
There is only one person who can tell anyone here what is appropriate on this forum, and that is Jackson. The day he tells me to cut it out, out it shall be cut.
Finally, the various fora of the ISG each have their own vibe, each dictated by the members who populate it. The Thailand forum is populated by a lot of genuine, serious, thoughtful, honest, supportive and knowledgeable gentlemen, and it is these people who provide the bulk of useful posts. But for whatever reason, there is a culture of aggression on this forum that I just don't understand. People cut others down for no productive reason. It's almost as if there is an army of angry men sitting by their computers waiting for someone to post anything, ready to pounce on them and rip them to shreds. Why? Here's a rather pointless example:
My innocuous post:
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Someone criticizing, with not an ounce of useful information:
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Me defending my post as being worthwhile (why do I have to do this??)
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A fine gentleman pointing out that there is no reason to be destructive.
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So my final thoughts are that I think some on this thread, and the Thailand forum more broadly, are not tolerant or thoughtful of other perspectives. They assume too quickly that theirs is the only legitimate point of view. And that, my friends, in my opinion, is not the kind of forum we should settle for. Many thanks for your indulgence, and many thanks once again for your comments of support.
I am not quite finished - I have two more reports coming up on the BKK thread, and then I will seek comfort in the hollows of my work...until my return to the Land of Beautiful Legs, at which point I vow to report my experiences with as much emotional, subjective, gloriously visceral detail as I can muster.
The Thailand forum is populated by a lot of genuine, serious, thoughtful, honest, supportive and knowledgeable gentlemen, and it is these people who provide the bulk of useful posts. But for whatever reason, there is a culture of aggression on this board that I just don't understand. People cut others down for no productive reason. It's almost as if there is an army of angry men sitting by their computers waiting for someone to post anything, ready to pounce on them and rip them to shreds. Kumbu, I agree, although I think the good far outweighs the bad... But it is widespread on the internet: the computer equivalence of road-rage. We are protected by a little glass screen and feel free to lash out at anyone with differing views. I've done it myself, to my undying shame. And occasionally I think there is value in stamping on some of the more repugnant views expressed very occasionally, which you identified earlier, if only to ensure that new readers don't think that such views are acceptable. But that's just me. Hopefully one of the legacies of your reports and the ensuing debate is the realisation that there is plenty of room for differing opinions.
(Interestingly, I have a difficult meeting to go to in a couple of hours, at which I may go as far as to describe one co-worker as 'unprofessional' or 'unhelpful'. In fact I am seething with rage inside. But that is the real world, and perhaps we would do well to remember some of the real-world niceties.)
Anyway, Kumbu, before I get accused of being touchy-feely, great reports, and I'm really pissed off that we didn't get a chance to meet in BKK. Perhaps next time.
Crazy4Thai
06-30-10, 13:39
Meanwhile, does anyone know of an ATM where I can withdraw cash without being charged?Well as a matter of fact, I DO!
Just yesterday on Soi 3 just off Sukhummvit Soi 21 at the AEON (you may have heard of them) Branch in Ocean Tower I did withraw 16,000 baht for NO FEE! (4 withrawals a month is just like a free blow job every month!)
But wait! It wasn't as easy as all that. As I approached the vacant alter of no fees, the little alter guard name of Noi, saw that I held in my hand an ordinary Visa ATM card that did not say AEON anywhere on it. She stopped me. You ARE NOT going to put that thing in this slot! My head spun all the way around. WTF??? I thought I was divorced 5 years ago.
But, this being the land of smiles, IF you've got the money, I promised her a nice tip if she allowed me to put the thing in her slot.
She said "I know you are a charter member of the ISG ATM Wankers. Make it 1000 and I'll wank you with this yogurt that I was just going to have for lunch. How could I resist?
And, thanks for asking.
Aussie Stu
06-30-10, 14:03
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Gentlemen I'm shocked - after some eight years of visiting Pattaya and paying only for service rendered, I was hit up for a 'loan'. After some chit chat about when I would next be visiting Pattaya, I was asked by SMS for 1,000 baht, requested to be deposited into the woman's bank account, as a kind of emergency advance on services-to-be-provided.
Of course I didn't respond, though I was very disappointed as the girl is probably the top five service providers I've ever come across.
I feel so dirty - I never gave her any reason to think I'd be a patsy, other than tipping her 100-200 baht.
Really too bad because a tip-top girl in terms of service, one of the five best I've ever had.
Asian Fetish
06-30-10, 18:42
Well kumbu, I actually enjoy reading your posts which are informative I've found. To read and aknowledge the situation and feelings which you seem so easily capable to type into words for the rest of us to read is astonishing, and I sincerly congratulate you for doing so.
All this coming from a well travelled and experienced monger such as yourself, I seldon to think what lays ahead for myself since this would be my maiden voyage to LOS.
Sure, alot of us males would admit the reason for going is mostly for the pussy, that perfect shape and form that only a short, slightly dark skinned, petite, almond eyed, full lipped thai girl can produce.
But what about the other reason why we go there that we don't really mention, which I can just imagine the hate posts,.companionship. Surely her being a great fuck and her pussy tasting so good isn't the only reason why we'd LT her night after night again. (oh, well, maybe.)
By the way LittleBigMan, I'm so relieved you were rolling around laughing in your boxers, 'cause I would of been paranoid if you were naked. Hehehehahaha
Really, I'm glad to know someone enjoyed my metaphorical use of ice cream.
A couple of months before my trips I usually research the threads to see what is going on, clubs, name of gals, hotels, etc. However, I see, more and more, anything with even a little value. I am not sure it is even worth it to remain a member.
Just my opinion.
A couple of months before my trips I usually research the threads to see what is going on, clubs, name of gals, hotels, etc. However, I see, more and more, anything with even a little value. I am not sure it is even worth it to remain a member. Cool. I look forward to your reports with great excitement.
Gentlemen,
Someone once described my writing style as literary masturbation. I think this pisses some people off, and I understand why. I prefaced my month of reports with the following note,
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in which I warned people that my reports may not suite everyone's taste. That last paragraph was particularly prophetic.
I think it is time we moved on from this discussion, but not before I do two things. The first is to give a HUGE thanks to all of you who spoke up in my support. I really do appreciate it. It is gratifying to know that my reports were of interest to at least some of you. Second, I want to sum up my thoughts on what this little spat has brought to light. After that, I will move on – I promise. I have two more reports left to post (both on the BKK thread), and then I will be done.
So. To sum up my thoughts, here are some quotes and some quick responses to them.
Wrong.
Wrong again.
Different member, but still wrong.
Different (hypothetical) member, and still wrong.
All these quotes show people assuming that their opinion is universal. Just because *I* want pussy, pussy, pussy, then everyone must also want the same thing. Just because *I* dislike your reports, the website's threads would be better served...And this is further supported by remarks such as these:
Correct.
Correct.
I am sometimes offended by some of the things said by some people (e.g., “Thai girls are only good for fucking! Take em to your room , fuck em, then kick em out. Repeat cycle!”), but not once have I ever told a member that such reports are useless or unwarranted or have no place here. These are opinions, and they will be useful to some people (not me, but to some), and so they should be aired.
Gentlemen, we are all different. Angus Magee, in his most excellent blog (to which there is a link below, and which I highly recommend) has a post about how he can't help but get emotionally involved with P4P girls. This despite knowing full well that nothing will come of it – that he is probably being played by the girls. This is essentially the way I am. Reading his posts and blog, I find solace in knowing that there is at least one other who shares my experience. And if there are two of us, there must be more. This means that such experiences (emotionally charged or otherwise) are a genuine part of this activity we engage in. Just because money exchanges hands does not make me into an automaton. And the fact that some of us engage in this activity in this manner (and not in the pussy, pussy, pussy method espoused by the gentlemen quoted above), makes it relevant. Whether they like it or not.
There is only one person who can tell anyone here what is appropriate on this forum, and that is Jackson. The day he tells me to cut it out, out it shall be cut.
Finally, the various fora of the ISG each have their own vibe, each dictated by the members who populate it. The Thailand forum is populated by a lot of genuine, serious, thoughtful, honest, supportive and knowledgeable gentlemen, and it is these people who provide the bulk of useful posts. But for whatever reason, there is a culture of aggression on this forum that I just don't understand. People cut others down for no productive reason. It's almost as if there is an army of angry men sitting by their computers waiting for someone to post anything, ready to pounce on them and rip them to shreds. Why? Here's a rather pointless example:
My innocuous post:
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Someone criticizing, with not an ounce of useful information:
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Me defending my post as being worthwhile (why do I have to do this??)
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A fine gentleman pointing out that there is no reason to be destructive.
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So my final thoughts are that I think some on this thread, and the Thailand forum more broadly, are not tolerant or thoughtful of other perspectives. They assume too quickly that theirs is the only legitimate point of view. And that, my friends, in my opinion, is not the kind of forum we should settle for. Many thanks for your indulgence, and many thanks once again for your comments of support.
I am not quite finished - I have two more reports coming up on the BKK thread, and then I will seek comfort in the hollows of my work...until my return to the Land of Beautiful Legs, at which point I vow to report my experiences with as much emotional, subjective, gloriously visceral detail as I can muster.
Kimbu
Post on with your slightly sordid literary prose.
You show appreciation, style and at most times an interesting flavor of the mongering arts. Brown saga excluded......
Personally anyone who enjoys the art of wh.ore mongering as much as you do should be applauded.
Just my .02 baht.
Guido88
dear all,
i’m planning a short, first time visit to pattaya, and little by little i’ve read about 150 pages worthy of posts. while as usual the board is invaluable for gathering infos, there are plenty of questions and curiosities one can come up with.
here are a few which obviously interest me, but that at the same time i humbly believe would be informative for others as well.
here i go, in no particular order:
1- is there one or more go-go bars where the atmosphere is so over the top that a shameless customer could take off his clothes and jump in the pool/jacuzzi with the girls?
i’ve read about this happening, so i wonder how ok would that be with the management, i guess you’d have to ask for permission first anyway, any suggested money exchange involved, whatever.
2- along the beach road, walking at average speed and with no stops, how long does it take to get from soi 6 to the beginning of walking street? (for accomodation hunting purposes)
3- of the little islands close to pattaya, which one meets the two conditions of being no more than an hour away and have the most “tropical paradise” feel?
thanks in advance,
ryo
GoodEnough
07-01-10, 12:09
Kumbu, given your thoughtful, introspective and literate posts, I'd be interested in learning your take on the endless debate between Thailand and the Philippines. If your work or your predilections ever take you this way, please let me know. I'd be happy to join you during part of your visit.
GE
Gentlemen I'm shocked - after some eight years of visiting Pattaya and paying only for service rendered, I was hit up for a 'loan'. After some chit chat about when I would next be visiting Pattaya, I was asked by SMS for 1,000 baht, requested to be deposited into the woman's bank account, as a kind of emergency advance on services-to-be-provided.
Of course I didn't respond, though I was very disappointed as the girl is probably the top five service providers I've ever come across.
I feel so dirty - I never gave her any reason to think I'd be a patsy, other than tipping her 100-200 baht.
Really too bad because a tip-top girl in terms of service, one of the five best I've ever had.
I'm surprised you're shocked!
It's just a matter of time before a sex worker harden beyonds the point of no return. Eventually, you just got to let some of the good ones go. There's another that will fill her spot. The bench needs to be cleaned off every now and then.
Remember, all "gold" in thailand eventually turns into tin.
. But for whatever reason, there is a culture of aggression on this forum that I just don't understand. People cut others down for no productive reason. It's almost as if there is an army of angry men sitting by their computers waiting for someone to post anything, ready to pounce on them and rip them to shreds. Why?
Thailand is a rough place (despite what most people say). If you're not tough, your bound to lose in more than one way. Maybe you're interpreting the toughness of some posters as aggression?
Gentlemen I'm shocked - after some eight years of visiting Pattaya and paying only for service rendered, I was hit up for a 'loan'. After some chit chat about when I would next be visiting Pattaya, I was asked by SMS for 1,000 baht, requested to be deposited into the woman's bank account, as a kind of emergency advance on services-to-be-provided.
Of course I didn't respond, though I was very disappointed as the girl is probably the top five service providers I've ever come across.
I feel so dirty - I never gave her any reason to think I'd be a patsy, other than tipping her 100-200 baht.
Really too bad because a tip-top girl in terms of service, one of the five best I've ever had.
You think it is worth with bargirls? You should try meeting normal girls on dating sites. They come across as very nice but will never loose a chance to hit you up for money for this and that. I had a GF from Petchaboon. Initially she was very nice. Soon she wanted money for a variety of reasons.
This only shows never to get too close with the girls irrespective of the good sex and companionship they give. Detached relationship works best especially with bargirls.
Beach Road has been ruined tonight and for the next three nights due to some asinine 'fair'. Instead of selling the one thing we all want, they're using the venue to sell the same cheap, worthless junk being sold everywhere else in Thailand. So I haven't been able to get laid today.
Regarding girls asking for money - I wasn't shocked that the girl was 'hardened' or a beggar or con artist, guys. I was just shocked that she would think me a mark. I usually exude the impression of such monumental cheapness that I never get asked (even asking me for 50 baht for 'the taxi' is like pulling teeth).
2- along the beach road, walking at average speed and with no stops, how long does it take to get from soi 6 to the beginning of walking street? (for accomodation hunting purposes)ryo
30min, soaked in sweat. or, you have the option of baht bus, 20b. you can stay at the queen vic, soi 6. comes recommended.
30min, soaked in sweat. Or, you have the option of Baht bus, 20B. You can stay at the Queen Vic, Soi 6. Comes recommended.
The price of a baht bus fare is 10 baht. Someone's been cheating you!
30min, soaked in sweat. Or, you have the option of Baht bus, 20B. You can stay at the Queen Vic, Soi 6. Comes recommended.
20bt!!! WTF!
Jump on and jump off and pay 10bt. Note Thais would only pay 5bt!!!
1- is there one or more go-go bars where the atmosphere is so over the top that a shameless customer could take off his clothes and jump in the pool/jacuzzi with the girls?
i’ve read about this happening, so i wonder how ok would that be with the management, i guess you’d have to ask for permission first anyway, any suggested money exchange involved, whatever.
2- along the beach road, walking at average speed and with no stops, how long does it take to get from soi 6 to the beginning of walking street? (for accomodation hunting purposes)
3- of the little islands close to pattaya, which one meets the two conditions of being no more than an hour away and have the most “tropical paradise” feel?
thanks in advance,
ryo
1) i've only been to approx 20 out of the 60 or 70 go-go bars in pattaya. the raunchiest one i've been to is probably the silver star a-go-go 2 (or 3? there are 3 of them; one on walking street, one on soi 8, and one on soi 8/1). i thought the one on the soi closer to walking street was more raunchy. these go go bars has the jacuzzi scene where you can tip to lick the girl's pussy in public (they also have good lesbian shows on stage-not the fake ones you see at suzy wongs on soi cowboy). i've never seen customeers jump naked into the jacuzzi, but i have seen customers on stage semi-naked. the staff will probably allow you on stage for a couple of minutes. unless you tip or ring the bell (money talks). there are some bars you won't be able to do that because customers like me don't want to see naked guys on stage/jacuzzi.
2) it's a long walk on a hot day. i would constantly take the 10 baht bus. here is a detailed map: http://www.thaiwaysmagazine.com/pattaya_map/pattaya_map_pattaya.html
here is a map with a scale: http://www.thailandmaps.net/pattaya/pattaya_map.html
the second map's scale says it is a little more than 2 kilometers (i thought it was longer than that; on a hot day, it is).
3) there's couple of islands close by (coral island?). can't remember the names. it will be all standard. all the travel agents in pattaya will have the same day tour options.
1- Is there one or more go-go bars where the atmosphere is so over the top that a shameless customer could take off his clothes and jump in the pool/jacuzzi with the girls? I’ve read about this happening, so I wonder how ok would that be with the management, I guess you’d have to ask for permission first anyway, any suggested money exchange involved, whatever.I submitted a report back in February in which I describe just such a situation at Dollhouse on WS.
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I have since been back, and the jacuzzi is still there, with two lively girls, but the vibe in that place wasn't quite what it was back in Feb. You might give it a try nonetheless.
The atmosphere in there was not lively before the guy stripped down and jumped into the jacuzzi - he kind of made the atmosphere himself. So you need to be willing to take the risk, I think.
I'm not sure how he managed to do what he did, but the group of guys who came in that night spent a lot of money in the bar, as my report suggests. I would say if you talk to mama san straight up and tell her exactly what you want, she will tell you either 'daay' or 'may daay', and that's that. You then need to decide whether the exorbitant figure she quotes you is worth it to you.
And I second Greenbud's assessment that Silverstar agogo is pretty raunchy. I got propositioned several times to lick, stick and flick holes of different sorts while there on my sole visit to the place. I think this was the one on soi 8/1 (could be wrong).
dear all,
i’m planning a short, first time visit to pattaya, and little by little i’ve read about 150 pages worthy of posts. while as usual the board is invaluable for gathering infos, there are plenty of questions and curiosities one can come up with.
here are a few which obviously interest me, but that at the same time i humbly believe would be informative for others as well.
here i go, in no particular order:
1- is there one or more go-go bars where the atmosphere is so over the top that a shameless customer could take off his clothes and jump in the pool/jacuzzi with the girls?
i’ve read about this happening, so i wonder how ok would that be with the management, i guess you’d have to ask for permission first anyway, any suggested money exchange involved, whatever.
2- along the beach road, walking at average speed and with no stops, how long does it take to get from soi 6 to the beginning of walking street? (for accomodation hunting purposes)
3- of the little islands close to pattaya, which one meets the two conditions of being no more than an hour away and have the most “tropical paradise” feel?
thanks in advance,
ryo
i can answer question 1&2, 1) ag-gos atomsphere can vary from night to night. a friend and i had a great night in what's up and there is a lot to be said for some of the agogo bars in soi diamond. airport usually is good and i once saw a guy pass out drunk get something shove up his ass by one of the girls. back in may i found agogo off walking street where some of the girls were handing out bj for 100bt and a ladydrink, but they don't blow you for long so if u want to cum, it can get expensive. plus multiples of girls will take their turn and if you're not careful they will try to pad your bill at the end of the night.
2) you can walk to soi 6 along beach road and 30- 40mins would be about right. i usually (as mentioned), take the bus up to big c and peruse some of the bars on the walk back to soi 6, about 5mins. soi 6 is a meat market so be careful and choose your girl wisely. don't get drag off he street by the first girl to approach you and try not to let them know you're new.
i've never been to koh lan,only visited koh samet in may, it was a holiday in thailand and the island was full of thais on holiday and some russian. i took along my own girl but from what i saw there, the quality of girls was very low.
hope this helps.
Beach Road has been ruined tonight and for the next three nights due to some asinine 'fair'. Instead of selling the one thing we all want, they're using the venue to sell the same cheap, worthless junk being sold everywhere else in Thailand.
+1. During the day they're parking cars next to the stalls, effectively reducing Beach Road to just one moving lane and causing big back-ups. And the stalls take most of the sidewalk space. So baht buses are slow, any driving is slow, and walking is a crowded hassle (a bit like trying to get from point A to point B along Sukhumvit, except the wares being sold aren't really of much interest to farangs). Just when I thought they might've learned a smidgen from past planning mistakes...
Unrelatedly, just when I thought I'd seen everything in some 18 years of going, last night some customer in Xzone put on a latex glove and fisted the girl on stage. He got maybe 8-9 inches in, I'd guess (not enough for the girl to pass a German porn audition, but it's the first time I'd seen it tried here). Girls on that stage do a number of penetrative things with toys, but evidently they found one who'll really stretch.
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Unrelatedly, just when I thought I'd seen everything in some 18 years of going, last night some customer in Xzone put on a latex glove and fisted the girl on stage. He got maybe 8-9 inches in, I'd guess (not enough for the girl to pass a German porn audition, but it's the first time I'd seen it tried here). Girls on that stage do a number of penetrative things with toys, but evidently they found one who'll really stretch.
Where does one find X-Zone please
This:
http://www.pattayabarguide.com/
mght be helpful
Where does one find X-Zone please
20bt!!! WTF!
Jump on and jump off and pay 10bt. Note Thais would only pay 5bt!!!
Alas an awful lot of Thais are paying 10 baht, as far as I've observed. Which isn't surprising as most Baht buses in Isaan (Khon Kaen, etc.) run around 7-8 baht nowadays.
Where does one find X-Zone please
http://www.pattaya-bars.net/xzone-location.html
Alas an awful lot of Thais are paying 10 baht, as far as I've observed. Which isn't surprising as most Baht buses in Isaan (Khon Kaen, etc.) run around 7-8 baht nowadays.
Yep, I can confirm this also. Thais are paying 10 baht. Sometimes I see school children pay 5, but not adults.
Why wait. If you research my reports (I visit the Philippines more often than Thailand) and judge for yourself whether or not I provide concrete information, as opposed to self-aggrandizements.
Cool. I look forward to your reports with great excitement.
Why wait. If you research my reports (I visit the Philippines more often than Thailand) and judge for yourself whether or not I provide concrete information, as opposed to self-aggrandizements.I did, and they are fine reports. Hence my statement.
It just seems more useful to improve the overall quality of the forum by writing some good informative reports rather than complaining about the absence of such reports...
Just my humble opinion.
Will cover two topics in one posting. Back in Feb. had taken the baht bus up to Big C area. got out and gave the driver 10 baht and started to eave. He didn't say anything to me. Two Russian girls who were tourists also got out. He tried to charge them 20 baht. I yelled at them it was only 10 baht. This guy goes crazy with the yelling at me. I think the girls ended up giving 10 baht each. Just give them 10 baht and walk away.
Was in the xzone one night and had the pleasure of putting the banana into the never land. While moving it around it broke. No problem as she just reached in and pulled the rest out.. Then she handed me a dildo and wanted it placed in the hole.. Of course I agreed and placed it properly in her. Stroking it back and forth for her pleasure. Next time I want ot see the fisting as I must have been there at the wrong time or a new talent might have arrived since Feb. Anyway , enjoy your fun.
Doppel One
07-02-10, 20:38
Dear all,
1- Is there one or more go-go bars where the atmosphere is so over the top that a shameless customer could take off his clothes and jump in the pool/jacuzzi with the girls?
I’ve read about this happening, so I wonder how ok would that be with the management, I guess you’d have to ask for permission first anyway, any suggested money exchange involved, whatever.
RyoI was in Champagne agogo on Soi LK Metro about a month ago when a guy appeared naked in the shower with the girls. The guy had a real boner on him the girls were more than happy to jerk it about, though I didn't see him cum.
Three soggy 100 baht bills were plastered to the glass wall dividing the shower from the bar so I surmise he paid 300 baht for his pleasure.
The chap next to me said it happens all the time, though it was a first for me.
Yep, I can confirm this also. Thais are paying 10 baht. Sometimes I see school children pay 5, but not adults.
Just on the baht bus, here's another thing.
Recently there has been an increase of pick pockets operating on the bus.
Here is my experience and sequence of events.
I was travelling on a near empty bus (me and another foreigner) along 2nd Road.
A girl of around 16 boarded and sat extremely close to me, depite there being plenty of room.
Another 20 meters along, 2 more girls of similar age also boarded and sat either side of the other passenger opposite.
Note; all girls gave the impression of not knowing each other.
From the corner of my eye, I noticed the girl next to me looking directly at my face.
I had the feeling of movement around my leg and put my hand there and felt for my wallet, which was still there. The girl looked away.
Meanwhile, opposite, the other pax was quite jovial and chatting to one of the girls, commenting on the heat. She began to fan him using a brochure she was carrying. Most probably a technique to distract him.
Note; the girl next to me and the girl on the other side of the pax had bags accross their laps. It appears they use their arm furthest away from the pax and use a bag as cover and reach accross.
Anyway, abruptly, the girls buzzed the driver and all jumped off. I immediately told the other guy to check his pockets, which he did, and everything was still there, as was my wallet, however, a B20 note that was there for me to pay the driver was not, confirming my suspicions.
Things to look for;
2-3 most likely teenages, shabbily dressed.
Boarding seperatly and pretenting not to know each other - watch for eye contact.
Sitting unnessassarily close.
Bags accross laps.
Distraction techniques.
Use your arm as a barrier between you (near your pockets) and the girl.
Be careful, it could have been worse. I had a wallet with maybe B3000, two credit cards and an Iphone.
Just on the baht bus, here's another thing.
Recently there has been an increase of pick pockets operating on the bus.
Here is my experience and sequence of events.
I was travelling on a near empty bus (me and another foreigner) along 2nd Road.
A girl of around 16 boarded and sat extremely close to me, depite there being plenty of room.
Another 20 meters along, 2 more girls of similar age also boarded and sat either side of the other passenger opposite.
Note; all girls gave the impression of not knowing each other.
From the corner of my eye, I noticed the girl next to me looking directly at my face.
I had the feeling of movement around my leg and put my hand there and felt for my wallet, which was still there. The girl looked away.
Meanwhile, opposite, the other pax was quite jovial and chatting to one of the girls, commenting on the heat. She began to fan him using a brochure she was carrying. Most probably a technique to distract him.
Note; the girl next to me and the girl on the other side of the pax had bags accross their laps. It appears they use their arm furthest away from the pax and use a bag as cover and reach accross.
Anyway, abruptly, the girls buzzed the driver and all jumped off. I immediately told the other guy to check his pockets, which he did, and everything was still there, as was my wallet, however, a B20 note that was there for me to pay the driver was not, confirming my suspicions.
Things to look for;
2-3 most likely teenages, shabbily dressed.
Boarding seperatly and pretenting not to know each other - watch for eye contact.
Sitting unnessassarily close.
Bags accross laps.
Distraction techniques.
Use your arm as a barrier between you (near your pockets) and the girl.
Be careful, it could have been worse.
I had a wallet with maybe B3000,two credit cards and an Iphone.
It’s actually an on-going problem which is often times not even reported as some see it as more of a nuisance or par for the course for us in Pattaya. You gave some good advice about how to protect your valuables on the Baht Bus. However, I would add not travelling around Pattaya with two credit cards in your wallet to that list.
http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/13771/australian-tourist-caught-up-in-south-pattaya-baht-bus-pickpocket-case/
Just on the baht bus, here's another thing.
Recently there has been an increase of pick pockets operating on the bus.
Here is my experience and sequence of events.
I was travelling on a near empty bus (me and another foreigner) along 2nd Road.
A girl of around 16 boarded and sat extremely close to me, depite there being plenty of room.
Another 20 meters along, 2 more girls of similar age also boarded and sat either side of the other passenger opposite.
Note; all girls gave the impression of not knowing each other.
From the corner of my eye, I noticed the girl next to me looking directly at my face.
I had the feeling of movement around my leg and put my hand there and felt for my wallet, which was still there. The girl looked away.
Meanwhile, opposite, the other pax was quite jovial and chatting to one of the girls, commenting on the heat. She began to fan him using a brochure she was carrying. Most probably a technique to distract him.
Note; the girl next to me and the girl on the other side of the pax had bags accross their laps. It appears they use their arm furthest away from the pax and use a bag as cover and reach accross.
Anyway, abruptly, the girls buzzed the driver and all jumped off. I immediately told the other guy to check his pockets, which he did, and everything was still there, as was my wallet, however, a B20 note that was there for me to pay the driver was not, confirming my suspicions.
Things to look for;
2-3 most likely teenages, shabbily dressed.
Boarding seperatly and pretenting not to know each other - watch for eye contact.
Sitting unnessassarily close.
Bags accross laps.
Distraction techniques.
Use your arm as a barrier between you (near your pockets) and the girl.
Be careful, it could have been worse. I had a wallet with maybe B3000, two credit cards and an Iphone.
Sainter21
The pickpockets are everywhere we are. Best to take precautions that make it difficult to become a victim.
I use pockets with Zippers or Velcro. Also keep cash and cards in an interior zipped pocket. No one will see it much less get to it. For cold weather I have a custom hidden zippered pocket in my leather coat.
Use your gut feel, I caught a pickpocket in Bangkok even though he was behind me. Could just feel something was happening. Could not see his hand but caught it, twisted it severely then gave it back to him.
Have had attempts in Moscow and St Petersburg. You can see it coming.
Best not to drink too much and stay aware of surroundings.
Guido88
I use a neck wallet myself. Under my armpit. only a few coins in my shorts. When I travel on a bus, EVERY zipper has a lock
Can anybody advice me if there are any special places i need to go for a good 3-some - i mean where it is not just a show - but where there girls do the real thing? And how much do you pay for this for all night?
Are the any bars with nude dancers and good shows in Pattaya?
Thanks for you advice.Devils Den is No ! for 3soms and two thirds of the gogos have nude dancers and shows. Not a problem
Johnthescot
07-04-10, 16:31
I was in Champagne agogo on Soi LK Metro about a month ago when a guy appeared naked in the shower with the girls. The guy had a real boner on him the girls were more than happy to jerk it about, though I didn't see him cum.
Three soggy 100 baht bills were plastered to the glass wall dividing the shower from the bar so I surmise he paid 300 baht for his pleasure.
The chap next to me said it happens all the time, though it was a first for me.
I was in Champagne last night and a customer dressed in a funny wig stripped Off totally and danced with the girls on stage for about 20 mins. The girls thought it was hilarious but the management didn't appear to bat an eye. I didn't see him get into the shower but Im sure that nobody would have minded at all. Some pretty girls there too.
JohnTheScot
Hi,
Any new updates or reviews on this hotel?
Convenient location?
Clean rooms, etc?
Thanks
I was in Champagne last night and a customer dressed in a funny wig stripped Off totally and danced with the girls on stage for about 20 mins. The girls thought it was hilarious but the management didn't appear to bat an eye. I didn't see him get into the shower but Im sure that nobody would have minded at all. Some pretty girls there too.
JohnTheScotSeeing another naked guy running around would gross me out (unless it was myself of course).
Hi,
Any new updates or reviews on this hotel?
Convenient location?
Clean rooms, etc?
ThanksStayed there in February - it's a nice place, rooms are large, basic and clean. I especially liked the rooftop pool, great place to watch the sunset over the bay with a cold Singha at hand before hitting town.
Soi 1 is quiet and pretty much as far from Walking Street as you can get, but the bath bus will get you there in five-ten minutes. I always stay in this area, it's a tiny bit saner than the rest of the wonderful madness that is Pattaya.
My only qualm would be the lack of the Thai alternative to toilet paper in the bathroom - it's not only the girls who miss the little water sprayer, I had one installed back home when I redid my bathroom a year ago :D
Seeing another naked guy running around would gross me out (unless it was myself of course).I don't think any customer enjoys seeing some drunken dipshit up on stage, naked or not. It's a fresh-off-the-plane newbie kind of thing, maybe amusing to some of the newer girls but boring or offensive to everyone else. The current worst offenders seem to be Russian, not too surprisingly.
I know, it could be like bringing a timber into the wood, but let me ask you guys and explain. I am going Thailand within few months and I just started considering wheather I should take there my partner. We are together for years already, she is bisexual. Mostly in her minds, not to much experience as yet. The idea has arised when last time we talked about Cuba. And she has mentioned some service in one of the Havana /Cuba/ hotel, that offers some extra addition to (rather expensive) dinner: you may get there a Havana-cigar or. A cuban girl, the choice is up to a customer My girl told me she would ask for a Cuban girl with no doubts! Therefore I started to think to eventually take her to Pattaya (instead me going there alone for about a week), and have some fun together, taking some of the Thai cutes from the bar. I know she would love it, although we have never done before any three-some action of this kind. What I am asking about is would the Thai girls agree for it? For what the price, double price?
Doppel One
07-06-10, 10:08
I don't think any customer enjoys seeing some drunken dipshit up on stage, naked or not. I couldn't agree more, who wants to see a (naked) man dancing around a chrome pole in a heterosexual agogo bar?
As previously mentioned, most of these planks are fresh off the plane and actually believe they're treading new territory.
There should be some sort of rule. If some loon wants to get up and dance with the girls they have to ring the bell and buy all the CUSTOMERS a drink!
Mine's a large one.
Normad2020
07-07-10, 03:37
Hi Goldenam, I would like to present you with two scenarios:
Scene 1:
Some ladies (wife / girlfriend) back home used certain methods of "testing" whether their husband / boyfriend is "loyal" to them by suggesting certain "kinky" sexual acts. We men can be "caught in a trap" and decided to act out such fantasies only to wake up with a huge "boulder" being smashed into our heads with words such as " I know you are not faithful to me and this is proof....". So if (and only IF) you are certain your girlfriend is into a three-some or seeing you banging another woman (Thai or otherwise), I would strongly suggest that you "do not bring a timber into the woods" (to quote you). I had one such personal experience resulting in my girlfriend of 8 years breaking up with me after we "agreed" in Jakarta to go for a swinging session. So these days when I go mongering I go alone and leave the Home Minister (HM) at home.
Scene 2:
Before going to Thailand, you and your girlfriend had agreed on the "kinky" experiences both you and her wanted to share in Thailand. If this is so, then I would strongly urged you to "go for it"!!!
Whether to bring your girlfriend to Thailand or not is entirely up to you. It generally depends on the relationship "set-up" you both have pertaining to matters such as sharing partners (pros or otherwise). I for one will not dare to say yes either way.
I hope my description in both scenarios is of some help to you.
Cheers Mate and enjoy your vacation in "Thailand.....The Adult Disneyland"
I know, it could be like bringing a timber into the wood, but let me ask you guys and explain. I am going Thailand within few months and I just started considering wheather I should take there my partner. We are together for years already, she is bisexual. Mostly in her minds, not to much experience as yet. The idea has arised when last time we talked about Cuba. And she has mentioned some service in one of the Havana /Cuba/ hotel, that offers some extra addition to (rather expensive) dinner: you may get there a Havana-cigar or. A cuban girl, the choice is up to a customer My girl told me she would ask for a Cuban girl with no doubts! Therefore I started to think to eventually take her to Pattaya (instead me going there alone for about a week), and have some fun together, taking some of the Thai cutes from the bar. I know she would love it, although we have never done before any three-some action of this kind. What I am asking about is would the Thai girls agree for it? For what the price, double price?
GregLondon
07-07-10, 05:32
I know, it could be like bringing a timber into the wood, but let me ask you guys and explain. I am going Thailand within few months and I just started considering wheather I should take there my partner. We are together for years already, she is bisexual. Mostly in her minds, not to much experience as yet. The idea has arised when last time we talked about Cuba. And she has mentioned some service in one of the Havana /Cuba/ hotel, that offers some extra addition to (rather expensive) dinner: you may get there a Havana-cigar or. A cuban girl, the choice is up to a customer My girl told me she would ask for a Cuban girl with no doubts! Therefore I started to think to eventually take her to Pattaya (instead me going there alone for about a week), and have some fun together, taking some of the Thai cutes from the bar. I know she would love it, although we have never done before any three-some action of this kind. What I am asking about is would the Thai girls agree for it? For what the price, double price?
If your GF is a reasonably pretty/young white girl or a pretty young Asian girl then many Thai girls will love that idea. You certainly won't have to pay extra. If she is an overweight 40 year old, it will be more difficult and some extra payment will be required. If she has insecurities about her looks / weight etc it could cause problems but you know her personality.
If you go to Pattaya and especially with this situation I would suggest staying at the Penthouse Suites in Soi Pattayaland and paying up for one of the better rooms with jacuzzi etc. The Penthouse gets some mixed reviews in this forum, I would say mainly because the rather idiosyncratic owner has managed to wind a few vocal people up the wrong way over the years. The reason I think it's the right place for your plan is that the place is a "fantasy" hotel where the atmosphere and decorations are deliberately designed for over the top sexuality. Mirrors everywhere, jacuzzis walk in showers sex swings etc etc. You want to give your GF the impression that this is a fantasy holiday outside your normal life, which you can both remember and fantasize about rather than some sort of descent into scuzziness which might be the general impression if you stay at some other places. I have seen quite a few couples stay at the penthouse, often Russians where the women seem to be rather more open minded about such things than in the west.
I know, it could be like bringing a timber into the wood, but let me ask you guys and explain. I am going Thailand within few months and I just started considering wheather I should take there my partner....
If I were you, I'd send my partner to Jamaica to get her screwed and enjoy the ladies of Thailand by myself. You could always compare notes afterwards.
In your scenario, you won't get many opportunities to sample the Thai ladies 1on1, aside from the few 3-somes together with your GF.
Thank you guys for your kind answers. So you say Thai girls would like to do sex with a white couple? Do you mean every Thai "service provider"? No matter if the girl would be from a beer-bar or a go-go? That would be great! My GF has perfect body, much better than many of the twenties (although she is 30-some now) and she is pretty. In fact she looks very much like Thai, with great admixture of european blood. I am quite good looking as well.
Im considering bringing my GF to Thailand as a kind of a 'gift' to her. Going to Pattaya alone would bring me hundreds of possibilities to give some gifts just for myself :) But in that case I'm just thinking about her - my long, long term GF. Of course seeing her having sex with some Thai girl (and me with them) would also be an exciting experience to me, but this is where my doubts begin... Coudn't it brake somehow our long term relationship? It wont brake my feelings to her at all, but how about her..? She is rather not the one who would check my loyalty that way. And it is my idea to do "Pattaya three-some", not her. Actually she don't know yet what I am planning to do, as I want to make her such a suprise. I didn't ask her if she would like it, but knowing her for years - I am pretty sure she would! However this is only my assumption. She keeps saying that some girls make her hot and wet, and that she would love to have a sex with some exotic, cute girl (like Cuban girl instead of havana-cigar, for example :) She did have some sex (just some) with the girls she liked, but no man was involved in it ever, even me - what a shame :) When we talked about it, she said she is not sure how she would feel if we would have another girl (in theory) in our bed. She definitely didn't say "no way" - she seems to be quite open to it - but she was not sure about her feelings in that case, about her eventual shame or envy or becoming "to wild and crazy" just to quote her...
I like very much an idea about Penthouse hotel, that place would suit my fantasies! And hopefully would make my GF feel more comfortable, if she would know we are there for some extras, as people use to get some extras on their holidays. You know guys, as much as I dream about it - I don't want to cause any troubles to the relationship with my GF. If I would be selfish, I would go to Pattay alone, having there some once-in-a-lifetime fucking experience, but I want my GF also to get this kind of experience. Which would please me as well, but I am not convinced if that would work.
Hi all,
I'm going to Pattaya soon.
Are there a lot of Ladyboys around in Pattaya? I'm definitely not waiting for a big surprise... if you know what I mean. Do they usually tell you, do you ask them, do they lie about it?
Thanks
Hi Goldenam, I would like to present you with two scenarios:
Scene 1:
Some ladies (wife / girlfriend) back home used certain methods of "testing" whether their husband / boyfriend is "loyal" to them ..................
Scene 2:
Before going to Thailand, you and your girlfriend had agreed on the "kinky" experiences both you and her wanted to share in Thailand. .............
I hope my description in both scenarios is of some help to you.
Cheers Mate and enjoy your vacation in "Thailand.....The Adult Disneyland"
3-some or not, myself mongering in Thailand or not, after visiting Thailand twice a year since 3-4 years (and mongering, there, yes!), I would be very reluctant to bring my wife there.
I go to Thailand alone and she knows.
Various circumstances allow me a sort of legitimate holiday alone there.
It is under the eyes of anybody, even going in the most legitimate places, what goes on in Thailand with western men (of different ages) walking around with thai girls (generally younger than the 'boy')
So, once she has seen the thai scene, any woman (on principle) will sense what those guys are doing and there for.
And she can easily figure out what her companion can do if left with no lace..:)
Maybe they suspect, maybe they wonder, but seeing is believing!
Then of course it is up to the individual relationship people have with their partners (liberal, trustful, etc)
Lot would not bother, some would not "clearly see", other will think "dirty old single men...but mine is ok!"
But in most cases walking around (not to mention the existance of the bars full of girls, be them in the mongering areas or not, and the tens of massage aprlour with nice girl tempting the passer by's) gives a clear message to our ladies...
If one has already been in Thailand alone and then takes the wife she will say "ah...I know why he came here"
If one has not been there yet alone, she will still think " better not let him come here alone as the temptations are at every corner and in between one corner and the other"
:)
Surely thousands of tourists visit the country with the most legitimate and purely tourist approach, no doubt.
Also mongerers are sightseeing around, lol.
Still it is a fact the "offer" is so big that there must be a "big" demand too...:)
GregLondon
07-07-10, 18:30
Hi all,
I'm going to Pattaya soon.
Are there a lot of Ladyboys around in Pattaya? I'm definitely not waiting for a big surprise... if you know what I mean. Do they usually tell you, do you ask them, do they lie about it?
Thanks
Yes there are lots. There are quite a few dedicated LB bars/gogos. There are alos plenty of LB freelancers. Typically they will hang around in zones of walking street and beach road. Some of them are way over the top and easily recognisable others are more feminine (as opposed to cartoon female) and much more difficult to spot. If you suspect the person you are talking to may not be a real girl you can just ask her if you are a real girl or LB. If the answer is "what do you think" it usually means she is a LB. Usually they are rather proud if they can fool you for a while. Most LBs will want to let you know they are what they are before they agree to go back to your room in Pattaya otherwise they will potentially waste 30 mins walking to your room and back. The exception maybe if you are drunk in the early hours of the morning when they may have more malicious intentions.
GregLondon
07-07-10, 18:59
Thank you guys for your kind answers. So you say Thai girls would like to do sex with a white couple? Do you mean every Thai "service provider"? No matter if the girl would be from a beer-bar or a go-go? That would be great! My GF has perfect body, much better than many of the twenties (although she is 30-some now) and she is pretty. In fact she looks very much like Thai, with great admixture of european blood. I am quite good looking as well.
Im considering bringing my GF to Thailand as a kind of a 'gift' to her. Going to Pattaya alone would bring me hundreds of possibilities to give some gifts just for myself :) But in that case I'm just thinking about her - my long, long term GF. Of course seeing her having sex with some Thai girl (and me with them) would also be an exciting experience to me, but this is where my doubts begin... Coudn't it brake somehow our long term relationship? It wont brake my feelings to her at all, but how about her..? She is rather not the one who would check my loyalty that way. And it is my idea to do "Pattaya three-some", not her. Actually she don't know yet what I am planning to do, as I want to make her such a suprise. I didn't ask her if she would like it, but knowing her for years - I am pretty sure she would! However this is only my assumption. She keeps saying that some girls make her hot and wet, and that she would love to have a sex with some exotic, cute girl (like Cuban girl instead of havana-cigar, for example :) She did have some sex (just some) with the girls she liked, but no man was involved in it ever, even me - what a shame :) When we talked about it, she said she is not sure how she would feel if we would have another girl (in theory) in our bed. She definitely didn't say "no way" - she seems to be quite open to it - but she was not sure about her feelings in that case, about her eventual shame or envy or becoming "to wild and crazy" just to quote her...
I like very much an idea about Penthouse hotel, that place would suit my fantasies! And hopefully would make my GF feel more comfortable, if she would know we are there for some extras, as people use to get some extras on their holidays. You know guys, as much as I dream about it - I don't want to cause any troubles to the relationship with my GF. If I would be selfish, I would go to Pattay alone, having there some once-in-a-lifetime fucking experience, but I want my GF also to get this kind of experience. Which would please me as well, but I am not convinced if that would work.
1 Most Thai girls find even average looking or chubby European girls beautiful as fair skin is valued in Asia and bigger boobs regarded as sexy. The fact that your GF looks a bit Thai is probably a negative - they would prefer Scandinavian blond, but not a big deal.
2 Maybe 75% of the working girls in Pattaya (Gogos / bar beers and freelancers) would be willing to have threesomes especially with either their friends or with western couples (they will be more concerned with other Thai girls that you might select where (is she clean/nice/jealousy may creep in). Typically you can negotiate a discount if you take two girls if they are friends as they will be keen to do their friend a favour.
3 If we are talking about Freelance girls you need to make it clear what you have in mind eg that you wish to cum twice once in each girl. as the default presumption may be that if you come once then they are both "out of here".
4 Though a high proportion of Pattaya WG are up for a threesome what in most cases they will have in mind is the two girls being fucked by you possibly with some boob sucking but no real lesbian action.
5 If you are taking your GF and she is keen on lesbian action, then you need to seek out girls that are specifically up for that. if you o to a bar or gogo the mamsan should be able to tell you which of the girls do genuine lesbian threesomes (maybe 10% will). if you are hooking freelancers you will just have to explain what you are looking for and whether they are up for it. With so many thousands of girls you shouldnt have too much difficulty finding suitable partners.
6 If the girl is genuinely into lesbian action she is likely to be enthusiastic about doing it with a good looking western couple.
Personally if you GF is genuinely up for it (and some will just talk about it as a fantasy but not be so keen in reality), i would go for it. I think it can potentially be alot of fun. Finding two Thai girls who are up for genuine lesbian action threesomes at a reasonable cost is not that easy so if you already have one girl it will be easier.
Provided your relationship is on firm ground i think a trip to pattaya runs far less risk than the girl in the office or through the internet back home scenario. If your girl is good looking and has a rapport because she speaks your language etc I don't think she will feel threatened by Thai working girls and you will have alot of fun reliving your experiences back at home. it would be a different matter if your girl was overw=eight, and simply not in the same league as the Thai girls.
ThaiLearner
07-07-10, 20:03
Thank you guys for your kind answers. So you say Thai girls would like to do sex with a white couple? Do you mean every Thai "service provider"? No matter if the girl would be from a beer-bar or a go-go? That would be great! My GF has perfect body, much better than many of the twenties (although she is 30-some now) and she is pretty. In fact she looks very much like Thai, with great admixture of european blood. I am quite good looking as well.
Im considering bringing my GF to Thailand as a kind of a 'gift' to her. Going to Pattaya alone would bring me hundreds of possibilities to give some gifts just for myself :) But in that case I'm just thinking about her - my long, long term GF. Of course seeing her having sex with some Thai girl (and me with them) would also be an exciting experience to me, but this is where my doubts begin... Coudn't it brake somehow our long term relationship? It wont brake my feelings to her at all, but how about her..? She is rather not the one who would check my loyalty that way. And it is my idea to do "Pattaya three-some", not her. Actually she don't know yet what I am planning to do, as I want to make her such a suprise. I didn't ask her if she would like it, but knowing her for years - I am pretty sure she would! However this is only my assumption. She keeps saying that some girls make her hot and wet, and that she would love to have a sex with some exotic, cute girl (like Cuban girl instead of havana-cigar, for example :) She did have some sex (just some) with the girls she liked, but no man was involved in it ever, even me - what a shame :) When we talked about it, she said she is not sure how she would feel if we would have another girl (in theory) in our bed. She definitely didn't say "no way" - she seems to be quite open to it - but she was not sure about her feelings in that case, about her eventual shame or envy or becoming "to wild and crazy" just to quote her...
I like very much an idea about Penthouse hotel, that place would suit my fantasies! And hopefully would make my GF feel more comfortable, if she would know we are there for some extras, as people use to get some extras on their holidays. You know guys, as much as I dream about it - I don't want to cause any troubles to the relationship with my GF. If I would be selfish, I would go to Pattay alone, having there some once-in-a-lifetime fucking experience, but I want my GF also to get this kind of experience. Which would please me as well, but I am not convinced if that would work.
I know a few couples who come to LOS and have a great time. Either as a 3 som or they take one each.
Striderani
07-07-10, 21:14
Hey guys,
Been lurking for a while and decided I may as well introduce myself as I'm beggining to get more questions piled up around me. Just on a offhand note, I've enjoyed reading kumbu's posts and I do enjoy the detail he has put into them. I can only hope I would experience some of the things he has one day. Anyways, I'll start off with a short introduction. I'm 19 years old, living in Australia and I've started my first year of uni. Now before you criticize me for my age, please bear with me as I try to explain myself. The secrets of Thailand have been no great mystery to me for many a year. It has always been one of my ambitions to go here, if only just once, for a short time to experience the likes of which I will never see again. *
There is however, a problem I doubt many of you will be familiar with. Pretty much boils down to the rents, though it encompasses more than that which I think some of you will at least have experience with. *
Anyways, I might as well get to the point. Is it possible to visit Pattaya withought those back home knowing of your true intentions? And how would be the best way to do this? After hours of pondering, I've come up with the plan/idea that the best way to do it would be to split the trip up into two weeks, one for mongering and the other for touristy stuff so I can fake my reasons and bring back what my family expect (photos, video footage, trinkets&suviniers etc). This approach would severly dampen my mood as I would not do any mongering on the first week. So I guess what I'm asking here is " Is it possible to monger full time while give the illusion that your holidaying? I would be greatfull if anyone could help me out on that. *
I do have some other worries though, mostly of the nature of. Will coming here fuck up the way I perceive woman and stuff of this nature. I guess I can only really answer this stuff myself. Will I become addicted? I hope not because family would find it suspicious that I would travel there constantly.
Ah well it feels good to finally let someone know about this stuff. It would be great to find someone willing to come with me on a trip from Australia bu I wouldn't have clue who to talk to. I'm sure you would agree that the average person my age would certainly not think of coming here for this purpose. I'm not planning on coming anytime soon, possibly toward the end of the year. But it's a big possility. I might have other overseas travels planned or uni might take over through the holidays too.
Just some other various tidbits. I'm starting go pick up some of the abbreviations you guys use (DATY, SL, LT etc) but I can't put my finger on some of them. Mostly p4p I think and BF not sure if that stands for boyfriend or not.
Other than those quires I have one last one. How often do some of the more experienced users in ISG Meet up with the rookies and is how easy is it to organize/how often does it happen. I only ask because I would be an absolute begginer and would appreciate someone showing my the ropes. Ok well maybe that was more than one question.
Well I won't make you suffer through anymore reading and I'll cut it short(***). Been holding off of posting much because I don't have any reports to contribute since I havn't been there yet, I thought I might as well post here and introduce myself and see what happens. *
Cheers,
Strider
If you suspect the person you are talking to may not be a real girl you can just ask her if you are a real girl or LB. If the answer is "what do you think" it usually means she is a LB. Usually they are rather proud if they can fool you for a while. Most LBs will want to let you know they are what they are before they agree to go back to your room in Pattaya otherwise they will potentially waste 30 mins walking to your room and back.
A lot of them have the full surgery and most people couldn't tell the difference unless you really know what you're looking for. These are the ones to watch out for because their tactic is to fool all punters, and they will always answer with "yes, i'm a girl" to the question above.
A lot of them have the full surgery and most people couldn't tell the difference unless you really know what you're looking for. These are the ones to watch out for because their tactic is to fool all punters, and they will always answer with "yes, i'm a girl" to the question above.Thanks, appreciate the feedback.
So what's your tactic to avoid them?
I was actually thinking about walking over beach road for some nice Thai girls but it seems I like I really need to be on guard for LBs. Hmmm.
ah but amjeck - "ta arn pasa-Thai dai dee gwar" (if you can READ Thai, it's better) The ID SAYS male or female (and they CANNOT CHANGE IT)
Maybe it's just me, but I think if it is THAT hard to spot a LB such that:
- she has no outwardly indications of manhood,
- you are willing to take her to the hotel,
- you get a glorious blow job,
- suck...
- and fuck her manufactured vagina,
- cum a happy man,
and at the end of it the only way to tell that She is a He is by reading her ID, then I would humbly submit to you that for all intents and purposes, She IS a She. Just don't look at the ID and enjoy the experience.
If, on the other hand, when you slip your face down between her luscious thighs to find an anaconda staring you in the face, then you need to work on your boy-finding skills: Your Gaydar is broke.
In general, I think there is a low-level hysteria surrounding LBs here, for no real reason. In my experience, the LBs have never been a problem. They are generally the most sexually aggressive sex workers on the street (clue #1), they are the most sexily dressed (clue #2), and they are lots of fun to talk with. But just be clear to them (and yourself) that you don't swing that way, and they will move on.
My advise: relax and enjoy yourself. This is not worth worrying about.
ah but amjeck - "ta arn pasa-Thai dai dee gwar" (if you can READ Thai, it's better) The ID SAYS male or female (and they CANNOT CHANGE IT)So how is this written in Thai on the IDs for male and female?
Normad2020
07-08-10, 04:07
Cheers Mate, and I concurred with your assessment. That is the reason I normally go on my mongering "holidays" (average twice a year) alone or with male friends who shared a common hobby (P4P actions).
For me "once bitten, I am twice shy" and so I will "take the timber I need from the forest I am in..."
Cheers
3-some or not, myself mongering in Thailand or not, after visiting Thailand twice a year since 3-4 years (and mongering, there, yes!), I would be very reluctant to bring my wife there.
I go to Thailand alone and she knows.
Various circumstances allow me a sort of legitimate holiday alone there.
It is under the eyes of anybody, even going in the most legitimate places, what goes on in Thailand with western men (of different ages) walking around with thai girls (generally younger than the 'boy')
So, once she has seen the thai scene, any woman (on principle) will sense what those guys are doing and there for.
And she can easily figure out what her companion can do if left with no lace..:)
Maybe they suspect, maybe they wonder, but seeing is believing!
Then of course it is up to the individual relationship people have with their partners (liberal, trustful, etc)
Lot would not bother, some would not "clearly see", other will think "dirty old single men...but mine is ok!"
But in most cases walking around (not to mention the existance of the bars full of girls, be them in the mongering areas or not, and the tens of massage aprlour with nice girl tempting the passer by's) gives a clear message to our ladies...
If one has already been in Thailand alone and then takes the wife she will say "ah...I know why he came here"
If one has not been there yet alone, she will still think " better not let him come here alone as the temptations are at every corner and in between one corner and the other"
:)
Surely thousands of tourists visit the country with the most legitimate and purely tourist approach, no doubt.
Also mongerers are sightseeing around, lol.
Still it is a fact the "offer" is so big that there must be a "big" demand too...:)
So how is this written in Thai on the IDs for male and female?
Mister: นาย ("nai")
Miss: น.ส. (abbreviation for นางสาว "nang sao")
Mistress: นาง ("nang")
But be careful, because fake ID cards do exist and certain girls (real or not) sometimes borrow one of their friends' ID card (the current one or even an old one that was declared as "lost").
GregLondon
07-08-10, 08:02
Hey guys,
Been lurking for a while and decided I may as well introduce myself as I'm beggining to get more questions piled up around me. Just on a offhand note, I've enjoyed reading kumbu's posts and I do enjoy the detail he has put into them. I can only hope I would experience some of the things he has one day. Anyways, I'll start off with a short introduction. I'm 19 years old, living in Australia and I've started my first year of uni. Now before you criticize me for my age, please bear with me as I try to explain myself. The secrets of Thailand have been no great mystery to me for many a year. It has always been one of my ambitions to go here, if only just once, for a short time to experience the likes of which I will never see again. *
There is however, a problem I doubt many of you will be familiar with. Pretty much boils down to the rents, though it encompasses more than that which I think some of you will at least have experience with. *
Anyways, I might as well get to the point. Is it possible to visit Pattaya withought those back home knowing of your true intentions? And how would be the best way to do this? After hours of pondering, I've come up with the plan/idea that the best way to do it would be to split the trip up into two weeks, one for mongering and the other for touristy stuff so I can fake my reasons and bring back what my family expect (photos, video footage, trinkets&suviniers etc). This approach would severly dampen my mood as I would not do any mongering on the first week. So I guess what I'm asking here is " Is it possible to monger full time while give the illusion that your holidaying? I would be greatfull if anyone could help me out on that. *
I do have some other worries though, mostly of the nature of. Will coming here fuck up the way I perceive woman and stuff of this nature. I guess I can only really answer this stuff myself. Will I become addicted? I hope not because family would find it suspicious that I would travel there constantly.
Ah well it feels good to finally let someone know about this stuff. It would be great to find someone willing to come with me on a trip from Australia bu I wouldn't have clue who to talk to. I'm sure you would agree that the average person my age would certainly not think of coming here for this purpose. I'm not planning on coming anytime soon, possibly toward the end of the year. But it's a big possility. I might have other overseas travels planned or uni might take over through the holidays too.
Just some other various tidbits. I'm starting go pick up some of the abbreviations you guys use (DATY, SL, LT etc) but I can't put my finger on some of them. Mostly p4p I think and BF not sure if that stands for boyfriend or not.
Other than those quires I have one last one. How often do some of the more experienced users in ISG Meet up with the rookies and is how easy is it to organize/how often does it happen. I only ask because I would be an absolute begginer and would appreciate someone showing my the ropes. Ok well maybe that was more than one question.
Well I won't make you suffer through anymore reading and I'll cut it short(***). Been holding off of posting much because I don't have any reports to contribute since I havn't been there yet, I thought I might as well post here and introduce myself and see what happens. *
Cheers,
Strider
P4P = pay 4 pleasure/play
BF = Boyfriend or Bar fine depending on the context
a girl might say I have an American BF, a guy might say How much was the BF
Bar fine is the system in Thailand whereby if you want a girl from one of the "bar beers" or GoGos you pay the bar/club an amount typically 300B for a bar and 500-800B for a Gogo to release the girl early from work (otherwise they are likely to keep her hanging around till 2-4am. In Thailand you must then also agree a price for the girl as well . The system in the Philippines is a little different as the bar fine is higher but includes and amount (typically around 50% which goes to the girl so that at least in Angeles (the Pattaya equiv in Phils) you only have to pay an additional tip if you are pleased with then service.
Many young guys come to Thailand / Pattaya and get by without explicitly paying for sex - though probably they will buy the girl food/drinks. It depends on your looks / skills . If you are fat and ugly you may well have to join us oldsters and pay up. If you are a good looking or even an average somewhat spotty/geeky guy you may well get what you want without paying in Pattaya.
This is because many of the young girls in the bars are happy to be bar fined by an older guy, then after he has come (short time) or they have remembered that there is some urgent reason they cannot stay with him after all they will go to the clubs down walking street with their friends. Some of the girls will explicitly loiter there looking for extra custom, but loads of them will either be satisfied with that days earnings or be getting money send from overseas by one or more foreign BF's and there main idea is to HAVE FUN. Having a YOUNG and if possible HANDSOME BF is a HIGH STATUS thing for such girls so they may well be prepared to go with you for fun.
Note this is primarily a Pattaya thing, in more conservative parts of the country your chances of short term free sex are much lower.
Re your dual centre plan. i would suggest going to Pattaya first. You can do some local island hoping to get some pics of beaches and there are plenty of thai souvenirs to buy. If you find a nice girl i would then be tempted to take her to somewhere like Ko Chang about 4 hours minibus towards the cambodian coast which is are regular island holiday destination with a limited P4P scene.
... I'm starting go pick up some of the abbreviations you guys use (DATY, SL, LT etc) but I can't put my finger on some of them...
Useful reading about abbreviations: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1897
As for myself, I will be moving to Thailand in a month for an extended period time because I have been to Thailand before and liked the country very much! I especially enjoyed Chiang Mai and that's where I intend to live as well as seek work in my field of teaching English.
I formerly taught in a Central European country which does not have the close travel links that, say, the UK, Germany, the Scandanavian countries, etc., have with Thailand but the people I associate with still have the "mindset" of the "Thai equation"(Thailand = girls/women for sex!).
I try to "laugh it off" by explaining that I am also going there to "live with the elephants" along with working!
But, even my legitimate and truthful occupational intent won't provide me with the "cover" I need!(i.e. "Thailand...that's nice...have a wonderful time, wink, wink!"
Anyways, I might as well get to the point. Is it possible to visit Pattaya withought those back home knowing of your true intentions? And how would be the best way to do this? After hours of pondering, I've come up with the plan/idea that the best way to do it would be to split the trip up into two weeks, one for mongering and the other for touristy stuff so I can fake my reasons and bring back what my family expect (photos, video footage, trinkets&suviniers etc). This approach would severly dampen my mood as I would not do any mongering on the first week. So I guess what I'm asking here is " Is it possible to monger full time while give the illusion that your holidaying? I would be greatfull if anyone could help me out on that.
Here are my opinions/thoughts to answer your question.
As I have come to believe Thailand has a world reputation(the "high and mighty" consider it a "stigma") of where to go to have sex with, most likely, multiple paid partners...really no way to get away from it(general knowledge of Pattaya as "ground zero" does not seem to be as widespread, however!).
To begin with, I would only tell people that you are going to Thailand on a "need to know" basis and, perhaps, fabricate a "fake" tour with actual "touristy" locations(even better if you are going to these locations yourself but not necessary as you can always "shuffle" the digital photos as who is really going to know?).
Another, possible, "real purpose of journey" explaination is that you can say that are going to "backpack it" and stay in "youth hostels", not shave and/or make showers infrequently...which can make you appear to really want to "live off the land"(a real contradiction to the personal hygene image of someone who's intent was sex!).
Lastly, remember, you are at the "young, curious, explorational" age of 19 and have all the sex you want at home so why could you ever want to go to Thailand for it?
Hope this gives you some ideas and that you have a enjoyable journey in the LOS!
Cheers!
Having a YOUNG and if possible HANDSOME BF is a HIGH STATUS thing for such girls so they may well be prepared to go with you for fun.
Note this is primarily a Pattaya thing, in more conservative parts of the country your chances of short term free sex are much lower.
This is a very good point and is indeed limited to Pattaya.
Also, you say "HANDSOME BF". This does not mean "HANDSOME short time free fuck never go out in public BF"
They want to show you off if you fit the "HANDSOME BF" criteria. But that means you have to hang out with a "sex worker" outside of the bedroom.
Strider,
Easy question first:
Is it possible to visit Pattaya withought those back home knowing of your true intentions? And how would be the best way to do this? ...Is it possible to monger full time while give the illusion that your holidaying? I would be greatfull if anyone could help me out on that.I'm American, and so I don't know what the precise Aussie translation for this is, but I would say the answer to these questions is an unambiguous YES WE CAN.
You need to be meticulous though. There are lots of bobs and bits that tend to get over looked and might come back and bite you. Are you in a relationship? This could be particularly sticky, as she (maybe he? no judgments) will be particularly attuned to a visit to Thailand. You need to make sure that you can make hotel reservations with a credit card without anyone seeing your bills. Maybe get a prepaid CC? When you arrive, get a local SIM card so you can follow up with good girls (available at any 7-11 for (I think) 99B). But when you leave, make sure you sanitize the phone. Get your story straight: I was in place X for these dates, and then place Y for these dates, etc. And tell EVERYONE the exact same story, or else your details will get fucked up and you will get caught. In fact, rehearse those details to yourself many, many times, visualizing what it must have been like stuck on that damned tourist bus with the noisy American couple behind you, etc. "Oh Bob, look at that large European gentleman with those three skinny girls. What an odd group they are, aren't they?" Rehearse and visualize until you begin to believe the stories yourself.
You can get loads of pics during the day in Pattaya and Bangkok - lots of touristy stuff. There are hundreds of wats (temples) that you can click away to your heart's delight, maybe catch a shot of an elephant on the street, a beach or two, and you're good. I would say you do not need to spend half your mongering time pissing it away doing a bunch of boring, tedious, touristy crap. Unless you want to, that is. So my recommendation would be to load up on the mongering, skip the other stuff.
Now a question which you indeed gave the correct answer (I see a bright few years at University for you!):
Will coming here fuck up the way I perceive woman and stuff of this nature.Answer:
I guess I can only really answer this stuff myself. This is because we don't know how you view women now. Nor what kind of experience you will have here. Nor what kind of guy you are. So only you can answer this question. I will tell you that there are mongers who respect women, and there are mongers who treat them like shit, and there are mongers who fear women, and there are mongers who want to hurt them, and there are mongers who want to love them. So the activity of mongering will not necessarily *change* your attitude towards women (although it might). I think it is more likely to bring it into sharp focus.
Now the really tough question:
Will I become addicted?This is the tough one. Have you never paid a woman for sex before? In the words of Senator Clay Davis from The Wire..."Sheeeeeeeeeeeeyit".
I would say yes. I mean, fuck yeah, you will get addicted. It is worse than crack. You may go off it for a while, but you will eventually get the urge back, and it will be like you never left. I was going to say something like "If you think you can't handle being addicted to this activity, I would recommend not even starting." But I think it is too late for that. You say that you have been dreaming of going to Thailand for years, well, that means you are pretty much hooked. You need to figure out how to manage this addiction. How to feed it in a reasonable way, without breaking the bank or the rest of your life. In a sense, ISG might be a place you can go for therapy, or at least advise. Welcome to the club, laddie.
Been holding off of posting much because I don't have any reports to contribute since I havn't been there yet, I thought I might as well post here and introduce myself and see what happens.You did the right thing. Pick up some more info, then put it into practice, and then submit the most awesome of reports telling us exactly what it felt like when your lips met her ass cheeks, and how she felt when she came, and explain to us just how fucking addicted you are to mongering.
Good luck Strider. In a sense, I envy you...starting out on a path very similar to myself...a young 19 year old dreaming of frivolous sex with a beautiful woman with no attachments and little worry. It's how every young man should start his University career.
Somewhere15
07-08-10, 11:11
Mister: นาย ("nai")
Miss: น.ส. (abbreviation for นางสาว "nang sao")
Mistress: นาง ("nang")
But be careful, because fake ID cards do exist and certain girls (real or not) sometimes borrow one of their friends' ID card (the current one or even an old one that was declared as "lost").
Hi guys, hope some of you (with Thai knowledge) can help.
I include two copies from ID cards and want to know with gender there is registered.
Txs.
Hi guys, hope some of you (with Thai knowledge) can help.
I include two copies from ID cards and want to know with gender there is registered.
Txs.
Those are females (there is น.ส. for "Miss" before their name).
Thank you guys for your kind answers. So you say Thai girls would like to do sex with a white couple? Do you mean every Thai "service provider"? No matter if the girl would be from a beer-bar or a go-go? That would be great! My GF has perfect body, much better than many of the twenties (although she is 30-some now) and she is pretty. In fact she looks very much like Thai, with great admixture of european blood. I am quite good looking as well.
Im considering bringing my GF to Thailand as a kind of a 'gift' to her. Going to Pattaya alone would bring me hundreds of possibilities to give some gifts just for myself :) But in that case I'm just thinking about her - my long, long term GF. Of course seeing her having sex with some Thai girl (and me with them) would also be an exciting experience to me, but this is where my doubts begin... Coudn't it brake somehow our long term relationship? It wont brake my feelings to her at all, but how about her..? She is rather not the one who would check my loyalty that way. And it is my idea to do "Pattaya three-some", not her. Actually she don't know yet what I am planning to do, as I want to make her such a suprise. I didn't ask her if she would like it, but knowing her for years - I am pretty sure she would! However this is only my assumption. She keeps saying that some girls make her hot and wet, and that she would love to have a sex with some exotic, cute girl (like Cuban girl instead of havana-cigar, for example :) She did have some sex (just some) with the girls she liked, but no man was involved in it ever, even me - what a shame :) When we talked about it, she said she is not sure how she would feel if we would have another girl (in theory) in our bed. She definitely didn't say "no way" - she seems to be quite open to it - but she was not sure about her feelings in that case, about her eventual shame or envy or becoming "to wild and crazy" just to quote her...
I like very much an idea about Penthouse hotel, that place would suit my fantasies! And hopefully would make my GF feel more comfortable, if she would know we are there for some extras, as people use to get some extras on their holidays. You know guys, as much as I dream about it - I don't want to cause any troubles to the relationship with my GF. If I would be selfish, I would go to Pattay alone, having there some once-in-a-lifetime fucking experience, but I want my GF also to get this kind of experience. Which would please me as well, but I am not convinced if that would work.Hi Goldenam,
Don't mean to rain on your parade, but I think you need to discuss your surprise with your GF before booking. You may get a surprise boot out the door if you're not careful. Fantasies of 3sums or any kind discussed between partners is usually best left that way. As a fantasy! Very often an erotic fantasy played out in the privacy of your room can be fun, but a disaster when turned to reality, especially if one partner takes it a step closer to the real thing without discussion before hand. The reality can change the dynamic of your relationship and not necessary for the better!
Put it another way, lets say your GF wanted another guy to make up a 3sum with you, how would you feel if she went behind your back organised a nice holiday with the express intention of picking up random guys to bring 'HER' fantasy to life? Also, how would you feel seeing your GF banging another guy? Perhaps the whole girl on girl thing may fun for both of you, but how do you think she will feel when you're banging the other girl?
My advice, thread carefully, you may think you know what your GF feels, but in the face of reality what you think she feels and what she actually feels are two completely different things! I think all the guys on here will confirm you never really know what a woman is thinking, no matter how long you are with her!
Maybe I'm over analysing the situation?
Good luck.
Striderani
07-08-10, 14:25
Thanks for the responses guys, I feel like it was worth it deciding to introduce myself. Please forgive me for my poor English in my last post, I was posting it via Iphone after all.
Strider,
You need to be meticulous though. There are lots of bobs and bits that tend to get over looked and might come back and bite you. Are you in a relationship? This could be particularly sticky, as she (maybe he? no judgments) will be particularly attuned to a visit to Thailand. You need to make sure that you can make hotel reservations with a credit card without anyone seeing your bills. Maybe get a prepaid CC? When you arrive, get a local SIM card so you can follow up with good girls (available at any 7-11 for (I think) 99B). But when you leave, make sure you sanitize the phone. Get your story straight: I was in place X for these dates, and then place Y for these dates, etc. And tell EVERYONE the exact same story, or else your details will get fucked up and you will get caught. In fact, rehearse those details to yourself many, many times, visualizing what it must have been like stuck on that damned tourist bus with the noisy American couple behind you, etc. "Oh Bob, look at that large European gentleman with those three skinny girls. What an odd group they are, aren't they?" Rehearse and visualize until you begin to believe the stories yourself.
You can get loads of pics during the day in Pattaya and Bangkok - lots of touristy stuff. There are hundreds of wats (temples) that you can click away to your heart's delight, maybe catch a shot of an elephant on the street, a beach or two, and you're good. I would say you do not need to spend half your mongering time pissing it away doing a bunch of boring, tedious, touristy crap. Unless you want to, that is. So my recommendation would be to load up on the mongering, skip the other stuff.
Ah right, I can see this will be pretty easy so long as I'm careful. I figure the hardest bit will be when I come back. I figure I may stay in bangkok for a day and take some pictures of the big city and say I've been there for a week. Hmm, it thrills me just thinking about it. Another thing I imagine is that I can be whoever I want when I'm there, I doubt the girls will notice anything much. A prepaid CC is definitely a must. No GF. I did the whole GF thing back in high school and it just wasn't for me. I believe I am much more mature than most people my age, though I do understand I lack experience. I just couldn't deal with a whole bunch of adolescent biyatchs cring and moaning about their life and yadda yadda yadda. Not for me. Definitely when I'm older I'll settle down and have a family, but not now.
This is because we don't know how you view women now. Nor what kind of experience you will have here. Nor what kind of guy you are. So only you can answer this question. I will tell you that there are mongers who respect women, and there are mongers who treat them like shit, and there are mongers who fear women, and there are mongers who want to hurt them, and there are mongers who want to love them. So the activity of mongering will not necessarily *change* your attitude towards women (although it might). I think it is more likely to bring it into sharp focus.
Well, I'll try to relate my experiences down in Australia, I've been to brothels and strip joints, brothels a total of 5 times, the first time on my 18 bday lol. It's just way to much money to spend 300$+ extra's for an hour with no BBBJ and one pop. Pathetic. And it's not even guaranteed that the girl will enjoy it. 2 out of the three where starfish. But at least in Pattaya it don't cost you an arm and a leg. Kinda funny that I don't have a job. Wouldn't like to know what the gov would do if they found out what I'm using their money for.
I would say yes. I mean, fuck yeah, you will get addicted. It is worse than crack. You may go off it for a while, but you will eventually get the urge back, and it will be like you never left. I was going to say something like "If you think you can't handle being addicted to this activity, I would recommend not even starting." But I think it is too late for that. You say that you have been dreaming of going to Thailand for years, well, that means you are pretty much hooked. You need to figure out how to manage this addiction. How to feed it in a reasonable way, without breaking the bank or the rest of your life. In a sense, ISG might be a place you can go for therapy, or at least advise. Welcome to the club, laddie.
You did the right thing. Pick up some more info, then put it into practice, and then submit the most awesome of reports telling us exactly what it felt like when your lips met her ass cheeks, and how she felt when she came, and explain to us just how fucking addicted you are to mongering.
Good luck Strider. In a sense, I envy you...starting out on a path very similar to myself...a young 19 year old dreaming of frivolous sex with a beautiful woman with no attachments and little worry. It's how every young man should start his University career.
Lol, the world would be a pretty f'd up place if every young man started their uni career this way. I understand I am definitely not in the majority, but I've always been like that, no biggie.
I enjoy your literary style Kumbu, I would hope my reports come close to your quality; I am willing to try.
Bar fine is the system in Thailand whereby if you want a girl from one of the "bar beers" or GoGos you pay the bar/club an amount typically 300B for a bar and 500-800B for a Gogo to release the girl early from work (otherwise they are likely to keep her hanging around till 2-4am. In Thailand you must then also agree a price for the girl as well . The system in the Philippines is a little different as the bar fine is higher but includes and amount (typically around 50% which goes to the girl so that at least in Angeles (the Pattaya equiv in Phils) you only have to pay an additional tip if you are pleased with then service.
Lol, I get how it works, though I imagine when I first get there everything I know will go flying out the window.
Though I didn't know about the possibility of not explicitly paying for sex. I can't say I do like the idea, but I've already read a few posts on the forums about the well-defined dangers of doing so. I wouldn't consider myself particularly handsom but I also know that these girls standards are completely out of whack and different then anything I've ever seen or experienced before. I'll just have to see how I go.
Thanks for the clarification on those acronyms too, and Goyave for the link, they will come in handy.
Ah well, when this year ends, I think I will shed my gaming addiction, and grow another in it's stead, one that will make more man then most.
Member #4351
07-08-10, 15:22
Strider,
If I were you I would do a quicky tourist thing in Bkk and/or Chiang Mai and get plenty of photos of temples and elephants. I wouldn´t mention going to Pattaya to anyone. Pattaya=Sex. Since your local Sim Chip won´t show where you are, nor will your e-mails home, I don´t see how you could get busted. Also, if you want to get the most out of ISG and maybe get together with some other forum members when you travel, I suggest you pay Jackson his $19.95 which will enable you to send and receive PMs (private messages).
Striderani
07-08-10, 15:34
Strider,
Also, if you want to get the most out of ISG and maybe get together with some other forum members when you travel, I suggest you pay Jackson his $19.95 which will enable you to send and receive PMs (private messages).Yes, I am going to soon. Just need to set up the CC. ;)
GregLondon
07-08-10, 20:01
Hey guys,
I do have some other worries though, mostly of the nature of. Will coming here fuck up the way I perceive woman and stuff of this nature. I guess I can only really answer this stuff myself. Will I become addicted? I hope not because family would find it suspicious that I would travel there constantly.
Ah well it feels good to finally let someone know about this stuff. It would be great to find someone willing to come with me on a trip from Australia bu I wouldn't have clue who to talk to. I'm sure you would agree that the average person my age would certainly not think of coming here for this purpose. I'm not planning on coming anytime soon, possibly toward the end of the year. But it's a big possility. I might have other overseas travels planned or uni might take over through the holidays too.
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Other than those quires I have one last one. How often do some of the more experienced users in ISG Meet up with the rookies and is how easy is it to organize/how often does it happen. I only ask because I would be an absolute begginer and would appreciate someone showing my the ropes. Ok well maybe that was more than one question.
Strider
Actually these are rather interesting questions.
As someone else said the ultimate answer lies with what sort of person you are. There are many young guys 18-25 who do come to Pattaya who give every indication of having a great time. They typically have alot of "mates", like getting drunk, clubbing and scoring with off duty bar/gogo girls. By and large there is not alot of interaction or mutual respect between these guys and the 35-70 year old guys who i suspect predominate on ISG.
I think if you are a more introspective young guy - as would seem to be evidenced by your questions and very appearance on ISG then there is a very real possibility that Pattaya may negatively influence your attitude towards women. Pattaya I think appeals to mindless younger men and jaded older men. Speaking for myself, I would not have appreciated / enjoyed Pattaya as a young man. If I could choose a holiday for a 19 year old me, I think I would go to Philippines and hook up with a 18-20 year old college girl there and take her for a trip around Palawan to Honda Bay and El Nido. Why? Because it's really difficult to find a decent girl in Pattaya. The girls get very jaded, very quickly. The younger ones who will generally have just showed up from Essan will often speak negligible English. In the Phils you can probably find a genuinely delightful young college girl who speaks English well and you can genuinely relate too and who will also fuck your brains out. If you play it smart you can probably try a few of her friends too. If you take her to Palawan you can see some of the most stunning scenery in Asia. Of course you will miss out on the endless bars and pool huge numbers of girls and discos of Pattaya so it depends on your tastes and needs.
Hey Striderani,
When are you going?
I'm 24 and going there in August. Perhaps we can hook up.
Uncle Volodya
07-09-10, 06:23
Hi All!
Beginning my third day/4th night here. This is my second trip (first one was in 2008) so I am learning the ropes again and getting a sense of what has changed. Thanks to Kumbu and all other mongers for the good info on the site. I hope I can do my part here to contribute to the good info.
I got in from the airport around 8PM the first night and hit walking street around 10PM, anxious for some action. My plan was to score a free lancer, as I had some great success going down that route last trip. Walked up and down walking street a few times and checked the girls. Not too much of interest. Two stunners turned out to be LBs after further scrutinization (but one was just drop dead gorgeous, made me at least think about it LOL).
Hot as hell I walked into Airport GoGo, enticed by the stuardess costumes. Crazy scene inside with really hot girls. Fantastic Jacuzzi show. Soon enough I had a girl in each arm and was chatting up and making out with both. I ordered a few rounds of drinks but was a little light in the pocketbook as I only had taken 3000BHT with me. I had no other choice but to pass this time, but I should be back. I was a little worried I dodn't have enough to pay the bill, but it only turned out to be 1275 for 3 or 4 rounds for me and 2 girls. Not too bad considering all the attention they gave me. I bid them a fond farewell, saying hta tI was tired form my trip as an excuse. They made me promise to come back and this is definitely an option for later in the trip.
So back to plan A. Continued trolling walking street, and finally saw a few cuties huddled up outside of Lucifer. Grabbed a beer at the disco and weighted my options, as there were at least 2 or 3 that I found to be attractive. A very nice one got snapped up by some middle eastern dudes, so I downed the beer and went in for the kill. Picked a little sexy school girl type. Very cute. Annie, 19 year old but looked more like 16, with a teeny petite body (Yes I am a six SOB, but I do have my own rules and I did made sure my doorman checked her ID when I got her home). We agreed on 1500 LT and were soon on the Bhat Bus to my place.
Great little body with nice fake titties. (The boob jobs here are so much better than in the US!) But the performance left much to be desired. No BJ! (Fuck, should have asked first.) But it was fun to explore that tight little body. She was very small and I think she had some trouble taking all of me in. Something of a starfish but warmed up a bit, but then got wore out as the night progressed. 2 shots and I let her go at 7AM (we had agreed to 8, but saw no point in further torturing this poor little thing and mercifully let her go). OK experience but a far cry from the FL experiences last trip. Is this a trend?
2nd night I decided to check out some of the bars in Jomtien (where I am heading) before hitting walking street. I hit up Country Road (the most famous one here, I think), but the girls were, at least for me, past their expiration date. But they were nice and friendly enough and I excused myself after one beer. I arrived at walking street around 10PM and again kept my eye out for nice FLs. The pickings were a bit slimmer than last time. I extended my stroll out to beach road. Some good options here. But I was a bit weary of repeating my starfish experience form last night. I did watch to absolutely gorgeous teenagers get picked up by some goofy looking young Japanese guys. I felt I had missed out? But will look for them again.
Keeping in mind the fun I had at Airport, I decided to try Superbaby (which seemed to be recommended by board members). Very good selection of topless girls when I walked in and nice Jacuzzi show in the back. Soon I had one of the super cute dancers sitting with me. Very sweet girl named Ploi. Great set of boobies, which I initially though were fake but turned out to be real. We had a drink and got to know each other. She was a bit shy, but willing to answer my question about how we would be spending our time together (I. E. If she would DFK, BJ, etc). We agreed on 600BHT barfine and 2500 LT. Steep, but I think these prices are set as I had no luck negotiating. They pushed for me to pay this all upfront, which is a NO-NO for me, but acquiesced for me to pay her in the morning.
We left the bar and I took her to Lucifer for some drinks and dancing. She still seemed a bit shy and I wanted her to warm up to me. We had a nice time, drinking laughing, dancing a bit. My efforts were rewarded my some nice kissing at the bar and we decided to go home. To make a long story short we have a fantastic time at my place. Very GFE and very personal. She definitely put me under the illusion that she was into me. What a little ball of sunshine she is! We connected on a personal level, sh eeen showed me pictures of herself form a couple of years ago when she was a bit overweight. She has slimmed down very nicely while retaining some curves. And the boobs! They are just amazing. The experience was memorable well worth the money. It ranks with some of the best sex I've had and I get my fair share and have a hot girlfriend back home (Ploi was very impressed when I showed her her pic). She begged me to take her the next night, and was happy when I promised to take her again before I left. I definitely will be back. Just thinking about her amazing natural boobies and that little smile of hers gets my head swimming.
She totally wore me out and I stayed in yesterday to do some work, catch up on some sleep form all the travel. Now I am revitalized and ready to get back on the hose! The plan tonight is to try the old freelance route again. If that doesn't work out I may go to airplane or another GoGo and pay the tithe like a good monger LOL. I am still optimistic about the possibilities for good FL action. There were a lot of very cute single girls at Lucifer the other night that were friendly, but I was happily preoccupied with my Ploi. Can't wait to give this a try tonight!
To make a long story short, I am still testing the waters here. The FL scene seems hit and miss, but I guess this was true last time too. One thing I did notice is that the streets are swarming with Middle Eastern mongers. I don't mean to offend anyone, but they look a bit unkempt and dodgy to me and I understand the girls don't really like them. I wonder if their presence has adversely affected the FL scene. One thing is for sure, I'd hate to be here during Cobra Gold. I could see some serious carnage breaking out.
Thanks for reading and I hope you guys find this useful. I'd appreciate any suggestions form more experienced and skilled mongers. And I promise to keep posting.
Cheers!
Uncle V
Striderani
07-09-10, 06:36
Thanks Greg, you've given me a lot to think about, and I've slept on it and pondered a bit before responding.
Actually these are rather interesting questions.
As someone else said the ultimate answer lies with what sort of person you are. There are many young guys 18-25 who do come to Pattaya who give every indication of having a great time. They typically have alot of "mates", like getting drunk, clubbing and scoring with off duty bar/gogo girls. By and large there is not alot of interaction or mutual respect between these guys and the 35-70 year old guys who i suspect predominate on ISG.I see where you are going with this. Just to make it clear, I do not in any way associate myself with any of these idiots. I fully agree with you that there must not be much interaction between these two age groups, though it is kind of sad. This however doesn't mean there can't be relationships here. I see myself as a very laid back kind of guy. The young guys you describe are exactly the kind of people I detest. Their "friends" are anything but and enjoy playing practical jokes on their "friends" and others expense. They make it look bad for the rest of us and I will be at disadvantages based of first impressions and experiences other people have had with people my age. Although I do like dancing, I like traditional dancing - swing actually (I assume many of you in America will know what I mean), and I do not like doff doff music to any particular degree. I dislike drinking excessively and can only handle a maximum of about 5-6 shots a night. After which I'm usually pissed beyond measure (I'm a Very skinny bloke.) I do not like getting intoxicated and would rather a quite bar enjoying the scenery (girls) while I sip on a whiskey or scotch.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure many of you would not like to associate yourself with one as young as myself. (I don't really understand it because I'm not old enough to imagine it the other way around, but I respect your opinions.) But I believe that on the whole, I would have a lot more respect and interaction with the older blokes or expats, than with the young stupid crowd.
I think if you are a more introspective young guy - as would seem to be evidenced by your questions and very appearance on ISG then there is a very real possibility that Pattaya may negatively influence your attitude towards women. Pattaya I think appeals to mindless younger men and jaded older men.
I'm not sure if I would be negatively influenced or not by visiting LOS. I have no qualms about using the FFF principle, and I've done it before down here in Oz. In my mind, all I can really do is go and find out. It will be a once in a lifetime experience is all I know. The first time in LOS is always such. How I perceive woman currently is relationship material and non-relationship material. It's like this. I would never seriously date a girl from the many bars and nightclubs I sometimes go to down here. To me these girls are shallow and are nothing but fuck material. However, when I meet someone who likes studying or is in a respectable job, I appreciate the fact there are girls around that don't have the emotional range of a 2 year old. However, I am not up for such heavy emotional constraints and commitments, and would rather enjoy myself now, when I'm in my prime.
Speaking for myself, I would not have appreciated / enjoyed Pattaya as a young man. If I could choose a holiday for a 19 year old me, I think I would go to Philippines and hook up with a 18-20 year old college girl there and take her for a trip around Palawan to Honda Bay and El Nido. Why? Because it's really difficult to find a decent girl in Pattaya. The girls get very jaded, very quickly. The younger ones who will generally have just showed up from Essan will often speak negligible English. In the Phils you can probably find a genuinely delightful young college girl who speaks English well and you can genuinely relate too and who will also fuck your brains out. If you play it smart you can probably try a few of her friends too. If you take her to Palawan you can see some of the most stunning scenery in Asia. Of course you will miss out on the endless bars and pool huge numbers of girls and discos of Pattaya so it depends on your tastes and needs.
Your suggestions intrigue me. I have many questions floating around my head but I will refrain for voicing most of them, to save cluttering up the Pattaya thread. The holiday you describe would be an enjoyable experience. I am now debating over where to go because of your post. The way I see the differences are in terms of risk and effort.
Concerning risk (By what you describe), the chance of me getting emotionally attached to a girl in Phil is far grater then if I went to Pattaya (I can employ FFF But I'm human not a stone). I definitely do not want to stay in contact with any girls when I come back, and I do not have the means to support anyone. So although it would be more enjoyable, there would also be risk involved. The first few pages on the Phil forums showed me that many members support GF's from there and one other is dealing with a pregnancy from a few nights stay. These all bring up flags in my mind.
The other is effort. I really don't want to chase after girls and go the whole nine yards just to get some bimbo in bed. That's the whole reason I want to leave Australia. If it is very easy to do so for one such as myself then there wouldn't be a problem, but I have no experience to tell otherwise.
There are a few other things I've been reading that lend light to LOS over Phil - mostly stuff about the security and quality of food. From what I've read, Thailand is on the Up due to market forces while Phile is a dump. Don't know if this is true or not. I would imagine I would be reasonably safe among the throngs over other Ferangs in the main areas of Pattaya. It's funny, when I first found out about all this stuff I originally only knew about Angeles, and that's where I wanted to go originally although I've heard that's not the best idea for a first timer. Also, I'm not buff, a strong wind will blow me over which is not exactly a good thing when you're alone in a foreign country.
So yeah, that's where I'm at at the moment. I would PM you but I'm not sure if you are a member as I noticed one of your other posts. You seem to have much experience in the Philippines. You could PM me, but I still need to register too.
Cheers,
Strider
Hi Goldenam,
Don't mean to rain on your parade, but I think you need to discuss your surprise with your GF before booking.
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Maybe I'm over analysing the situation?
Good luck.Mates,
I really appreciate all of your comments. And you're right "Eagle_I", surely I have to talk to my GF about it! But first. I need to make up my minds and make my own decision if am I going to Pattaya with her, or rather alone. That is why I asked you for your thoughts and comments. It helps me a lot to see different aspects that I would certainly miss without your answers. Many thanks again, I will keep informing you and will send a report after visiting LOS as my small contribution to this great forum.
Striderani
07-09-10, 09:53
Hey Striderani,
When are you going?
I'm 24 and going there in August. Perhaps we can hook up.sorry but won't be going then. August is no go for me. I'm not sure if that's high or low season. I'd rather go low season. Have fun anyways. I'm planning on going sometime from Sept - Feb. Depends on what happens down here.
I hope I can do my part here to contribute to the good info...And I promise to keep posting.Hi Uncle V - great report! You're right about the hit-and-miss nature of the FL scene on WS, but it's also hit and miss in the gogo bars. But as you did, you built a rapport first, which helps reduce the risks. Looking forward to your future reports.
One thing is for sure, I'd hate to be here during Cobra Gold. I could see some serious carnage breaking out.Remarkably it usually doesn't. The current crop of young US military guys tend to be surprisingly well behaved when they come here. And whenever they aren't, there are plenty of MPs around to keep the peace.
In my experience, the usual kind of drunken Pattaya tourist yob is a whole lot more likely to cause trouble.
Uncle Volodya
07-09-10, 13:49
Hi Uncle V - great report! You're right about the hit-and-miss nature of the FL scene on WS, but it's also hit and miss in the gogo bars. But as you did, you built a rapport first, which helps reduce the risks. Looking forward to your future reports.Thanks Kumbu. I admire your flowery prose. it made good reading on the way over here.
I spent the afternoon shopping in the big malls. A lot of very pretty girls but I didn't really have a chance to approach. I wasn't sure if I'd get slapped in the face or something LOL Anyone have any luck here?
Walked the length of Beach Rd in the afternoon. Some WGs but nothing to write home about or to take home for that matter. Same situation on walking street. I think the girls are busy eating and preparing for the night ahead so it's not the best time to monger.
On the way back to the Condo, I hit Jomtien complex again to check out the interior. Again, dominated by fugglies. A tablefull of decently cute girls did give me the"Hello Welcome" and I sat down to rest my feet and have a beer. Ended up buying one of the girls a drink. Damn cute with a nice curvy body. But not super friendly. I caught them in the middle of dinner, I think this was the problem. No touchy-feely on her part. But the girls did offer to share their food, which was very nice of them. I gave the Som Tam a try just to be polite. After downing the beer I said my polite goodbyes and thanked the ladies for their company. The girl suggested I barfine her but I was not feeling the rapport with her. But I may come back at a better time and give it a shot.
Back in the condo now and getting some rest for the big night. The plan is to hit up Lucifer and check out the FL scene. But I plan to be there no earlier than midnight. Will post my "findings" LOL
GoodEnough
07-10-10, 00:59
Strider, as one who lives in the Philippines and who used to work in Thailand, I suggest you select Thailand for your initial trip. Women aside, it's just a more interesting, culturally enriching place and, in my opinion, Thai cuisine is among the finest in the world, while that of the Philippines is, sadly, among the worst. You can always experience to total GFE so characteristic of the PI during a subsequent trip.
I'm not sure I understand the debate about the establishment of rapport, if not relationships, between older and younger guys. What's the problem here? Surely intellectual rapprochement is more important than age differences. I'm in my mid-sixties and have friends here ranging from their early 20's to deep in their 70's and it's never been an issue.
GE
Uncle Volodya
07-10-10, 03:48
Hi guys! Here is the promised update. What a night!
As mentioned in the last post, the plan was to try and score a weekend FL at one of the discos. I hit walking street around midnight, and it was chaotic as usual. Also more humid than usual. Even to the point o being difficult to breather. To make matters worse, there isn't a lot of good talent on the street, either. I hit up Lucifer next, and things there were also slow, though I did get approached by some descent lookers. But I was not ready to settle so early.
I gave Tony's disco a try. Some kind of trouble at the door wiht some young Turks (literaly). But I whizzed right by and the doorman and staffed acted like I was Tony's brother or something. A bit weird but OK. Inside was a total mess. It's so damn dark you can't tell who is who (or who is grabing you for that matter). I don't want to have to gnaw my arm off in the morning to get out of there LOL. Also an ugly scene with a middle eastern guy violently grabbing this girl sand then ejected by bouncers. So I decided to bounce myself and head up th estreet to the Walking Street Disco and check things out.
Normally these places aren't really my bag. I've kind of outgrown clubs. They are too loud, you have to wrestle your way to the bar to get a drink, the music is usually awful and there is always a bit of an aggressive vibe on the part of the dudes and standofishness fomr th ecicks. I don't go to these places back home so why the hell shoudl I do so in Thailand. But I have to admit the scene here was really good. Wall to wall hotties and very friendly. Also the music wasn't too atrocious either. Definitesly a place to do business.
So I squeeze my way to the bar and order a beer. As I turn around I spot this young lovely. Tall, fit and thin, smoking body. Nice smile and siamese kitty cat eyes. I go over and introduce myself. She is there with her friend (who is a bit of a hand grenade, but oh well). I buy the ladies a couple of beers and we start getting down on the dance floor. My girl is a very sexy dancer and we have some great fun. Another round of beers and we are grinding and sh gives me a nice full kiss. Life is good!
I haven't had dinner and all this is giving me an appetite, so I invite the ladies to have a bite to eat with me. We go over to beer garden and order some food. Pretty good fare. Not spicy enough for my taste, but they do give good Western portions. I couldn't even finish mine (though in all honesty I ma more concentrated on entertaining the ladies and chatting up my sweetie. She tells me that she just broke up with her Falang boyfriend and that it has been taking her a long time to get over him. My efforts do not go unrewarded. As the friend leaved to go to the ladies' room we start kissing a bit. Very nice.
At this point I ask if she's like to come home with me and she says she would like to very much. I do not bring up the issue of money as I di dnot want to offend her. I wasn't quite sure where this was leading and if I had maybe scored a "freebie" (I use quotes because we all know this more often than not ends us costing us more in the long run.) But I am ready to roll with it and to see where this leads. It wouldn't be a bad thing to get to know people in this town that are out of the game.
So we decide to go over to marine disco and do a bit of dancng with her friends. A very nice group of girls (a couple of them are lookers in their own right). They are very deferential to me as I guess she said some nice things about them to me in Thai. My honey goes wild on the dancefloor. Gyrating to the beat like a pro. Again she has a very lithe and thin body with a nice set of silicones (not too big). she is really into it an this begins tiring us bth out so we decide to go back to my place. BTW marine is also full of nice looking girls too. What the boys in the service call a "target friendly environment". LOL
To cut to the chase we have an absolutely lovely time, with some smoking loving thrown in. Very passionate and tender. Another GFE, but a bit more "real" than the last one. I almost believe her when she tells me that she has not had a man in a while. We also talk a bit an she tells me more about her life. She has her own Condo and is opening a laundry business with some other girls. She also is 28 with a 7 year old daughter. Which is absolutely hard to believe. She is built like a teen athlete with not an ounce of fat on her. Good genes I guess. And all that sexy dancing too.
We have some more fun in the morning and she goes off to meet her friends to scout some locations for her business. Before she leaves I give her 1000 BHT "for the taxi". She takes it a little reluctantly. I get her number and promise to call her. I am thinking of even taking her and her daughter out to Monkey Island in a day or two. It would feel good to do something nice for her, and frankly I could use the company too.
All in all a great experience. I think I found a winner here. She kept looking at me googly eyed all morning and parting really was "sweet sorrow", as they say. After we finished making love this morning she even told me that she had given in to me too easy. I may have even gotten away without giving her money. But I do want to do right by her and to still keep this on a professional level, though in a discrete way. I am not looking for a Thai girlfriend that I am obligated to spend my (not so) hard earned cash to. I have enough trouble on this front at home with my young girlfriend LOL
But it would be nice to have some fun with someone that is not so mercenary. I just don't want her to develop expectations. I still want to hook up with some other fine young things while I am here. Also need to visit DD one of these days too!
After a sub-stellar start, life is good at this point and I am having a ball. Will post as the story develops.
Stay horny my friends!
Uncle V
GregLondon
07-10-10, 05:10
strider, as one who lives in the philippines and who used to work in thailand, i suggest you select thailand for your initial trip. women aside, it's just a more interesting, culturally enriching place and, in my opinion, thai cuisine is among the finest in the world, while that of the philippines is, sadly, among the worst. you can always experience to total gfe so characteristic of the pi during a subsequent trip.
i'm not sure i understand the debate about the establishment of rapport, if not relationships, between older and younger guys. what's the problem here? surely intellectual rapprochement is more important than age differences. i'm in my mid-sixties and have friends here ranging from their early 20's to deep in their 70's and it's never been an issue.
ge
i agree with the points ge makes but with the following addendum.
1 personally i would say that the ideal holiday for a thinking young horny guy is a gfe type trip around thailand with a young girl in tow. ge is right about the food and culture comparison between thai and pi (though there are parts of pi of exceptional beauty). pattaya is in my view a place for the jaded and cynical re male-female relations and i think if you are 19 there is plenty of time to get jaded later on. the difficulty is that a nice gfe is rather more difficult to find in thailand than in phils.
2 i would agree with ge that intellectual rapprochement does trump age differences. however both pattaya and pi are very unusual places in that for westerners with an atm card, there is a superabundance of nubile and willing young girls. back in the real world there is always an excess of demand over supply for such girls (from a narrow age band) because they are attractive to men of all ages. this sets up a fundamental conflict between older guys with (as a generalisation) money and status and younger guys with (as a generalisation), looks, fitness and a rapport with girls a few years younger than themselves.
warning: if you are not here for anything deeper than the going rate for a bj at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), you may wish to skip the remainder of this post lol
my view is that this conflict between younger and older guys competing for the attention of a relatively small number of nubile young girls is a much overlooked but critical aspect of social structures. as a generalisation the greater the degree of egalitarianism in a society the stronger the hand of younger guys. specifically if young guys are able to earn enough income to maintain and support a family, then women will tend to prefer dating and marrying guys a few years their senior. this was probably the case in our evolutionary past where many of our psychological dispositions would have been shaped. if one looks at hunter gatherer tribes, one typically finds median age gaps between partners or around 7 years and monogamy predominates. in these societies there is little possibility to store and accumulate wealth and fit young bucks maybe just as proficient hunters as more wiley old timers. it was the agricultural revolution of around 11000 years ago (unless you are one of those guys from the bible belt who believes that ussher correctly pinned down the creation of the earth to 23 oct 4004bc lol) that changed this as well as so many other things. if one looks at primitive agricultural societies (and i don't mean kansas), the median age gap between partners expands to around 15 years. in such societies young guys (under 30) are more or less excluded from officially taking wives (though they can often get away with illicit sex) as you need time to accumulate wealth in the form of cows and cultivated land to hand over to her parents and support your often multiple wives. industrialisation and democratisation have reversed this trend. in western countries, most young guys are able to find a job (or have benefits entitlements) that pays sufficiently well to bring up a family. in the west therefore the average age gap between first time marriage partners is just 2-3 years. the inevitable result of this is that unless you are seriously wealthy, famous or otherwise exceptional, if you are 40+ you are de facto excluded from the 18-25 sexy young girls market. this of course is the attraction for so many more mature western guys to vacation or retire in countries such as thailand or philippines where they can arbitrage international differences in economic performance and thus attract much younger and prettier women than they can do back home. thailand is getting richer and its now much harder to find high quality girls willing to accept huge age gaps than it was 20 years ago. the phils for various reasons has been stagnating economically for 30 years so there is a far greater tolerance of huge age gaps there.
There are a few other things I've been reading that lend light to LOS over Phil - mostly stuff about the security and quality of food. From what I've read, Thailand is on the Up due to market forces while Phile is a dump. Don't know if this is true or not. I would imagine I would be reasonably safe among the throngs over other Ferangs in the main areas of Pattaya. It's funny, when I first found out about all this stuff I originally only knew about Angeles, and that's where I wanted to go originally although I've heard that's not the best idea for a first timer. Also, I'm not buff, a strong wind will blow me over which is not exactly a good thing when you're alone in a foreign country.
If the main reason for traveling is for pussy then its best to understand/decide which type of girl you want to fuck? Thai or Filipina? They are very different. Apples and oranges. The rest of the stuff to worry about is not important until you decide which pussy you want first.
People love to compare thailand and philippines, but they are really two totally different animals.
I think I found a winner here. She kept looking at me googly eyed all morning and parting really was "sweet sorrow", as they say. After we finished making love this morning she even told me that she had given in to me too easy. I may have even gotten away without giving her money. But I do want to do right by her and to still keep this on a professional level, though in a discrete way.
Uncle V, congratulations on hitting the jackpot. Now, far be it for ME to lecture you about the dangers of connecting with a girl in this way (that would be laughable, if it weren't so sad), but my friend, I urge you to play the field some more before you settle for this girl. I am sure this is what you have planned (given your history), so I am not worried, but I know from personal experience that when you get into this 'Struck Gold' mode, it is easy to fall off the edge.
Here's another point. It is easy for girls to impress you on the first date. They put all their energy in putting up that perfect illusion, and we, gullible idiots that we are, fall for it every time (well, maybe not all of us, and maybe not every time, but you get my point). But it is only on later encounters that her true colors will be revealed.
Case in point. A year ago, I met a FL in Insomnia. She was...da...bomb. I mean, she was as hot as they get, and we did it all night. I came back the next weekend and spent two full days and nights with her in bed...it was awesome. Then on the third weekend, she decided it was time for us to make the rounds of all the gogo bars so she could show them my face, hence black ball me from all future sex in Pattaya. She did this is such a sly way: "Tilak, I never go agogo bar, you want to take me?" Stupid me, never having been in this position before, and not consulting with the smart people on the ISG, was thinking this meant something kinky. Far from it.
Furthermore, if I so much as looked at her best friend, my girl would go totally bonkers. She was convinced that I wanted to fuck the best friend (who was physically hideous, actually), but my girl would throw long, angry fits over this. After two days of this, I bailed.
My point: things look great now while she thinks that you are not in her clutches yet. Don't let her go by any means - keep her and enjoy the warmth and googly eyes for all they are worth, but just see if you can keep yourself in that little niche where she is still trying to make you hers. If you can put yourself into that niche, I think you will see great pleasures emerge.
People love to compare thailand and philippines, but they are really two totally different animals.
How so? Could you elaborate?
How so? Could you elaborate?
For starters the girls are different.
Have a look at some thai and filipina porn on the net (video and pics).
... Before she leaves I give her 1000 BHT "for the taxi". She takes it a little reluctantly. I get her number and promise to call her...
So far, you've managed the situation quite well IMHO, but it's almost 100% certain that this girl is looking for a Farang husband / regular boyfriend / sponsor. I guess that it was her former Farang boyfriend(s) who paid for her condo and boob job. She's not a mercenary, but a very clever girl, methinks...
... However, I am not up for such heavy emotional constraints and commitments, and would rather enjoy myself now, when I'm in my prime...
Even if you are young and probably not engaged yet in your own country, just pretend to be engaged or married at home when speaking with P4P girls in Thailand: it should be enough for you to avoid most of the emotional involvement with them and they should not "fall in love" as easily with you than if you were "officially" single. You will then have the same fun (maybe even more), but without the (real or fake) love stories, and a lot less jealousy from the girls if you want to be a "butterfly" during your stay.
Striderani
07-10-10, 14:26
heh, you guys have given me a lot to think about. sorta making this harder then i thought it would be, but i'm glad i got to explore myself in this way to find out exactly what i'm after. good thing i decided to post now, and not 2 days before my flight.
strider, as one who lives in the philippines and who used to work in thailand, i suggest you select thailand for your initial trip. women aside, it's just a more interesting, culturally enriching place and, in my opinion, thai cuisine is among the finest in the world, while that of the philippines is, sadly, among the worst. you can always experience to total gfe so characteristic of the pi during a subsequent trip.
i'm not sure i understand the debate about the establishment of rapport, if not relationships, between older and younger guys. what's the problem here? surely intellectual rapprochement is more important than age differences. i'm in my mid-sixties and have friends here ranging from their early 20's to deep in their 70's and it's never been an issue.
ge
thanks ge, i think i will be going to thailand first. i did a bit more reading before posting, mainly comparisons between los and pi and i discovered that this i actually quite an old topic. for this reason i think we would all appreciate it if we did not dwell on this topic for to long. i think the only way anyone would be able to say for sure which one is better would be to go to both places. it depends so much on your personality and views as well as your experience there. i think i will add another trip to pi when i finish my uni degree. best. graduation. ever.
i agree with the points ge makes but with the following addendum.
1 personally i would say that the ideal holiday for a thinking young horny guy is a gfe type trip around thailand with a young girl in tow. ge is right about the food and culture comparison between thai and pi (though there are parts of pi of exceptional beauty). pattaya is in my view a place for the jaded and cynical re male-female relations and i think if you are 19 there is plenty of time to get jaded later on. the difficulty is that a nice gfe is rather more difficult to find in thailand than in phils.
2 i would agree with ge that intellectual rapprochement does trump age differences. however both pattaya and pi are very unusual places in that for westerners with an atm card, there is a superabundance of nubile and willing young girls. back in the real world there is always an excess of demand over supply for such girls (from a narrow age band) because they are attractive to men of all ages. this sets up a fundamental conflict between older guys with (as a generalisation) money and status and younger guys with (as a generalisation), looks, fitness and a rapport with girls a few years younger than themselves.
warning: if you are not here for anything deeper than the going rate for a bj at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), you may wish to skip the remainder of this post lol
my view is that this conflict between younger and older guys competing for the attention of a relatively small number of nubile young girls is a much overlooked but critical aspect of social structures. as a generalisation the greater the degree of egalitarianism in a society the stronger the hand of younger guys. specifically if young guys are able to earn enough income to maintain and support a family, then women will tend to prefer dating and marrying guys a few years their senior. this was probably the case in our evolutionary past where many of our psychological dispositions would have been shaped. if one looks at hunter gatherer tribes, one typically finds median age gaps between partners or around 7 years and monogamy predominates. in these societies there is little possibility to store and accumulate wealth and fit young bucks maybe just as proficient hunters as more wiley old timers. it was the agricultural revolution of around 11000 years ago (unless you are one of those guys from the bible belt who believes that ussher correctly pinned down the creation of the earth to 23 oct 4004bc lol) that changed this as well as so many other things. if one looks at primitive agricultural societies (and i don't mean kansas), the median age gap between partners expands to around 15 years. in such societies young guys (under 30) are more or less excluded from officially taking wives (though they can often get away with illicit sex) as you need time to accumulate wealth in the form of cows and cultivated land to hand over to her parents and support your often multiple wives. industrialisation and democratisation have reversed this trend. in western countries, most young guys are able to find a job (or have benefits entitlements) that pays sufficiently well to bring up a family. in the west therefore the average age gap between first time marriage partners is just 2-3 years. the inevitable result of this is that unless you are seriously wealthy, famous or otherwise exceptional, if you are 40+ you are de facto excluded from the 18-25 sexy young girls market. this of course is the attraction for so many more mature western guys to vacation or retire in countries such as thailand or philippines where they can arbitrage international differences in economic performance and thus attract much younger and prettier women than they can do back home. thailand is getting richer and its now much harder to find high quality girls willing to accept huge age gaps than it was 20 years ago. the phils for various reasons has been stagnating economically for 30 years so there is a far greater tolerance of huge age gaps there.
hmm, haven't really thought of it that way. i didn't mean to make an argument, just establish my views over the subject. i fully agree with your points and i can sorta see where you're coming from. all i can say is that i hope to meet some of you guys one day and make some friends in the isg community. hopefully we'll all get along and not fight over a girl, god knows how many there are in los i'm not sure it would be worth it.
if the main reason for traveling is for pussy then its best to understand/decide which type of girl you want to fuck? thai or filipina? they are very different. apples and oranges. the rest of the stuff to worry about is not important until you decide which pussy you want first.
people love to compare thailand and philippines, but they are really two totally different animals.
haha! i had a look at some thai and fili porn to see if i could make out some differences. couldn't really notice any serious differences, i think i would need to see them face to face to make firm impressions. however i did notice that phili's had more variety and while there were many i would not fuck; when there was one that i would, she was gorgeous. on the thailand side i noticed that there were many i would fuck but still consider average/slightly above average, apart from the gorgeous ones/ugly ones. note that this was my impressions from about 2 hours of porn so it's probably not accurate or conclusive in any way, at all.
even if you are young and probably not engaged yet in your own country, just pretend to be engaged or married at home when speaking with p4p girls in thailand: it should be enough for you to avoid most of the emotional involvement with them and they should not "fall in love" as easily with you than if you were "officially" single. you will then have the same fun (maybe even more), but without the (real or fake) love stories, and a lot less jealousy from the girls if you want to be a "butterfly" during your stay.
perfect! a beautiful pearl of wisdom goyave. i will be sure to use it. didn't think of doing this at all.
i think my plan so far is to go to bkk for a few nights, try to pick up a gf and see some sights with her (i hope not planning anything won't be too much of a problem), and if that fails, i always have pattaya to fall back on.
cheers, strider.
GregLondon
07-10-10, 16:21
Haha! I had a look at some Thai and Fili porn to see if I could make out some differences. Couldn't really notice any serious differences, I think I would need to see them face to face to make firm impressions. However I did notice that Phili's had more variety and while there were many I would not fuck; when there was one that I would, she was gorgeous. On the Thailand side I noticed that there were many I would fuck but still consider average/slightly above average, apart from the gorgeous ones/ugly ones. Note that this was my impressions from about 2 hours of porn so it's probably not accurate or conclusive in any way, at all.
Cheers, Strider.
I'm surprised that someone thought the most significant difference between Thailand and Philippines was the girls looks. In my view the differences in appearance are relatively modest. For what its worth in my view the AVERAGE Thai girl is cuter than the AVERAGE Filipina and I could rank Cambodian girls ahead of Thais and Vietnamese ahead of any of the rest.
HOWEVER, the girls that I spend my time with in the Phils are FAR more sexy, attractive and fun to be with than in those other countries, because in the phils I am spending my time with Middle class students whereas in the other countries it is mostly poor girls that have gone into the sex trade.
Good thing I decided to post now, and not 2 days before my flight.With respect, why not just relax, come over to this part of the world, try both Thailand and the Philippines (and maybe a few more) and then make your own judgments? I understand the urge to know as much as possible before you get here, but frankly none of it counts for anything before you're on the ground and experiencing things for yourself.
Uncle Volodya
07-10-10, 16:24
Many thanks for the warnings my friends.
Yes I am playing this one carefully and trying not to get too attached emotionally. It helps that I have a great girl friend to go home to in the USA. Also that I am quite a cynical SOB. But not Jaded. I still find joy in life. In fact I am having quite a bit of fun matching wits with these cute little girls and their machinations. If you look at it form a little detached perspective it is quite amusing.
So I have had another lazy day. I called my little Gold (Digger) up and we had a nice romantic dinner in the beach here in Jomtien. Very nice with the sunset and great food delivered right to our beach chairs. Way too much food and drink to even finish. All for around 700 Baht. We went back to the very nice condo I am renting and had a passionate session, just as good as yesterday. She is fast asleep now as I write this. Damn I can't get enough of her tight little body!
Anyhow I am taking her and her daughter to that Monkey Island tomorrow. I thin it should be fun. I will have to be carefull to edit the pics so hta tI can present them to the GF back home. I plan to take break tomorrow night and venture out into the scene. A few chicks have already caugh tmy eye today as we lunged in the beach. Like I said I am a true SOB :)
Thanks to Kumbu for sharing his experience. I was thinking along the same lines. I won't make the mistake of doing a bar tour with her. If we do meet up again after it will be on my terms and in the comfort of my little oasis here in Jomtien.
Stay horny my friends!
Uncle V
Uncle Volodya
07-10-10, 16:31
With respect, why not just relax, come over to this part of the world, try both Thailand and the Philippines (and maybe a few more) and then make your own judgments? I understand the urge to know as much as possible before you get here, but frankly none of it counts for anything before you're on the ground and experiencing things for yourself.
This is very good advice. So much of this is just so subjective. You have to live it yourself and to make your own judgments. Everyone is just too different when ti comes to love, sex, and the other intimate stuff.
The board is a great starter to get a sens of the good places to find willing ladies and the pitfalls to avoid. But everyone has their own expectations about what constitutes a stunner or what a GFE entails.
Personally, Thailand is just great for me. I was also thinking of Pi. But it just doesn't compare in terms of culture, food, nature. At least form what I have heard. I am more than happy with the girls I have hooked up with here.
But to each his own. Life is short and it is really all about experiences. You just gotta get out there and roll the dice, my friend. I am sure you will have a great time no matter what you choice.
Just make sure to have fun!
Uncle V
Striderani
07-10-10, 17:09
Nice! Didn't expect my post to go up as quick as it did. Looks like the mods are getting used to me. XD.
Wasn't expecting quick responses either.
I'm surprised that someone thought the most significant difference between Thailand and Philippines was the girls looks. In my view the differences in appearance are relatively modest. For what its worth in my view the AVERAGE Thai girl is cuter than the AVERAGE Filipina and I could rank Cambodian girls ahead of Thais and Vietnamese ahead of any of the rest.
HOWEVER, the girls that I spend my time with in the Phils are FAR more sexy, attractive and fun to be with than in those other countries, because in the phils I am spending my time with Middle class students whereas in the other countries it is mostly poor girls that have gone into the sex trade.Heh, the only reason I did so because it was suggested by Amjeck. I know they are completely different in terms of personality, but I could hardly get any ideas of their personality by watching porn. I would definitely like to try the philie's. I'm sure I will have a great time. TBH, I think I'm just a little scared. I've only been overseas once before, and that was when I was 5 with my parents to Sicily, Italy to meet the family, no sight seeing, though I hardly remember much. Being all alone in a harsh world is a bit daunting for someone that hasn't experienced it before. I will just have keep my wits about me as I travel off into the great unknown.
With respect, why not just relax, come over to this part of the world, try both Thailand and the Philippines (and maybe a few more) and then make your own judgments? I understand the urge to know as much as possible before you get here, but frankly none of it counts for anything before you're on the ground and experiencing things for yourself.I agree. I'm greatly satisfied with the responses you guys have given me so far. I know now where to go If I have any questions, you guys seem like a reliable bunch. I guess it's just me being the young one I am, always asking questions. LOL. I can only assume it's because there aint nobody at home I can talk to about this stuff, I'm sure you all understand.
There was one question I had but I've seemed to forgotten it. I'll post it if I remember but I doubt it.
Good luck with your girl Uncle V. May you savor the moment as long as it lasts.
Cheers,
Strider
I'm surprised that someone thought the most significant difference between Thailand and Philippines was the girls looks. In my view the differences in appearance are relatively modest.
For an asian girl connoisseur, there is a huge difference between Thais and Filipinas. There are big differences within Thailand as well ie. mixes like: thai/lao, thai/chinese, thai/cambodian, thai/burmese etc. When you've got yellow fever you tend to relish the different asian mixes.
But for me one of the biggest differences between Thais and Filipinas is that filipinas are fatter and they hold their weight in their bellies. Thais hold their weight throughout the body (better proportions).
Also (IMO):
Thais have long slimmer bodies with tight legs and butts. Filipinas are wider and rounder, and have bigger tits. The eye and face structure is different also. Thais have narrower eyes. Filipinas eyes are wider (spanish influence). Thai girls age better than Filipinas. Filipinas drop drastically at about 22. Thais can hold it to about 26.
When I'm in Thailand, I feel like I'm surrounded by Asians. When I'm in PI, I feel like I'm surrounded by Latins.
Best thing to do is just fuck both of them. They're both fun. IMO, as far as p4p goes, Thailand wins big time over PI. Philippines wins on the girlfriend thing. If you're looking for love, go to PI. To each his own
Travelforfun
07-10-10, 18:53
Hi everyone...can someone pls tell me what would be the right place to exchange some Euro's .
Arriving at BKK airport on the 17th and straight to pattaya from there...so its either at the aiport or somewhere in pattaya.
Would like to know the place to where i could get the best rates for Euro's.
ThaiLearner
07-10-10, 20:28
Hi everyone...can someone pls tell me what would be the right place to exchange some Euro's .
Arriving at BKK airport on the 17th and straight to pattaya from there...so its either at the aiport or somewhere in pattaya.
Would like to know the place to where i could get the best rates for Euro's.
I have found that the airport offers just as good rates as Pattaya. So change some up at the airport and then just look around in Pattaya places can vary day to day
I'm surprised that someone thought the most significant difference between Thailand and Philippines was the girls looks. In my view the differences in appearance are relatively modest. For what its worth in my view the AVERAGE Thai girl is cuter than the AVERAGE Filipina and I could rank Cambodian girls ahead of Thais and Vietnamese ahead of any of the rest.
HOWEVER, the girls that I spend my time with in the Phils are FAR more sexy, attractive and fun to be with than in those other countries, because in the phils I am spending my time with Middle class students whereas in the other countries it is mostly poor girls that have gone into the sex trade.Yes this sums it up IMO. in Phil the girls you see on the street/mall are the girls you get.
GregLondon
07-11-10, 01:56
For an asian girl connoisseur, there is a huge difference between Thais and Filipinas. There are big differences within Thailand as well ie. mixes like: thai/lao, thai/chinese, thai/cambodian, thai/burmese etc. When you've got yellow fever you tend to relish the different asian mixes.
But for me one of the biggest differences between Thais and Filipinas is that filipinas are fatter and they hold their weight in their bellies. Thais hold their weight throughout the body (better proportions).
Also (IMO):
Thais have long slimmer bodies with tight legs and butts. Filipinas are wider and rounder, and have bigger tits. The eye and face structure is different also. Thais have narrower eyes. Filipinas eyes are wider (spanish influence). Thai girls age better than Filipinas. Filipinas drop drastically at about 22. Thais can hold it to about 26.
When I'm in Thailand, I feel like I'm surrounded by Asians. When I'm in PI, I feel like I'm surrounded by Latins.
Best thing to do is just fuck both of them. They're both fun. IMO, as far as p4p goes, Thailand wins big time over PI. Philippines wins on the girlfriend thing. If you're looking for love, go to PI. To each his own
Nice observation. I would agree with all that. In terms of looks my personal favorites would be Vietnamese and Sichuan girls, but the VN girls are generally hopelessly commercial.
Uncle Volodya
07-11-10, 02:49
After a wonderful evening and a night when she kept clinging and huign me in her sleep, my little cutie woke up today and told me "something wrong" and she "have to go back loved her old boyfriend and tha tshe had to be alone.
Well, I guess the morning BJ is out of the question. LOL
I try to be a gentleman and consoled her. This led to a little bit of a makeout session, but I was very wary of where it was headed. As Powell told GW: "If you break it you by it". So I let her go, despite my raging morning wood.
Well, I really did not see that one coming. Maybe she is a "good girl" after all? O rmaybe this is just an elaborate ruse on her part? I guess I'll know if she calls me in a day or two.
In any case my dance card is freed up for tonight and I will be looking for a shoulder to cry on. Thank god I'm in Pattaya.
Stay horny my friends,
Uncle V
...in any case my dance card is freed up for tonight and i will be looking for a shoulder to cry on. thank god i'm in pattaya.
stay horny my friends,
uncle v
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Phoenix949
07-11-10, 08:47
For an asian girl connoisseur, there is a huge difference between Thais and Filipinas. There are big differences within Thailand as well ie. Mixes like: thai/lao, thai/Chinese, thai/Cambodian, thai/burmese etc. When you've got yellow fever you tend to relish the different asian mixes.
But for me one of the biggest differences between Thais and Filipinas is that filipinas are fatter and they hold their weight in their bellies. Thais hold their weight throughout the body (better proportions).
Also (IMO):
Thais have long slimmer bodies with tight legs and butts. Filipinas are wider and rounder, and have bigger tits. The eye and face structure is different also. Thais have narrower eyes. Filipinas eyes are wider (spanish influence). Thai girls age better than Filipinas. Filipinas drop drastically at about 22. Thais can hold it to about 26.
When I'm in Thailand, I feel like I'm surrounded by Asians. When I'm in PI, I feel like I'm surrounded by Latins.
Best thing to do is just fuck both of them. They're both fun. IMO, as far as p4p goes, Thailand wins big time over PI. Philippines wins on the girlfriend thing. If you're looking for love, go to PI. To each his ownAmjeck,
I can totally agree your sight of view.
Long time I am now I asia and feel exactkly the same, so lets go ahead and lets enjoy the heaven of paradise.
GoodEnough
07-11-10, 09:07
Not sure that I agree with the generalizations about the Filipina body types and shapes. As there are several variations on the theme in Thailand, so are there are here, where you've got Malay Filipino, Chinese Filipino, Tausugs, B'laans, Bonobos, Spanish-Filipinos, and other tribes and types too numerous to memorize and/or recount. Looks tend to vary widely between and among tribal/ethnic groups, and the body shape, skin tone, eyes, boobs, legs and asses vary with each one.
For me, the attraction differential between "typical" Thais and Filipinas is pretty much of a toss up, though for sure I agree that the P4P scene is infinitely better in Thailand and the whole girlfriend/sweetness thing infinitely better in the Philippines.
GE
Just curious; any casinos in Pattaya?
Frankypanky
07-11-10, 17:56
Just curious; any casinos in Pattaya?
i don't think so. Gambling is illegal in Thailand.
If you really want to gamble, then you should visit the border Thailand/Cambodia...
Crazy4Thai
07-12-10, 03:31
i don't think so. Gambling is illegal in Thailand.
If you really want to gamble, then you should visit the border Thailand/Cambodia...
Also you could go to Ranong in South Thailand. There are some low key brothels that a moto taxi could get you to for mongering. Burmese (Myanmar) providers.
And a 30 minute boat ride away is a casino in Myanmar.
Mr Enternational
07-12-10, 03:54
After a wonderful evening and a night when she kept clinging and huign me in her sleep, my little cutie woke up today and told me "something wrong" and she "have to go back loved her old boyfriend and tha tshe had to be alone.I don't think it was as hard for her to get over her old boyfriend as it was hard for her to get over him no longer sponsoring her. If someone was kicking you down with $300 or so every month then all of a sudden stopped doing it how much would you miss it? Those guys stick with the program of sending money for a few months then the mojo wears off and they come to their senses.
In a world of P4P, non-pros, or whatever, you have to have game. I always go with the "I like you, but I don't give a fuck" approach. For instance I am seeing the girl who works the desk at the hotel I stayed at before I got my own place. When I was gone from Thailand she was not calling or emailing me. When I returned to Thailand and stayed at the hotel I made it KNOWN as soon as I got there that I was on the way out to find a woman. As sure as shit I returned with one. The word spread fast. When I saw her the next day at the front desk she said, "so you have a girlfriend now." I told her no, but since I was not hearing from her that I found somebody. Now she understands the importance of keeping in contact with me and keeping my attention. (I mean I'm going to do the same shit anyway but I will be more discreet.)
Also with the pros. I can fuck all of my regulars without giving them anything. They look at me and think, "He doesn't give a fuck." For that they love me. They are used to guys groveling over them and putting them on a pedestal and staying with them everyday of their hard-earned vacation. I keep them on their toes. When I come in the disco they don't know what to expect. I always greet them of course and have a few words. Then I am off searching for new meat. (Hell, I can call them any time to fuck or hang out.) I still don't try to disrespect them though. I make a deal with my new meat and when they are not looking I disappear like David Copperfield with the new girl.
Back to your issue. You should have showed her that you didn't give a fuck before she had a chance to cut you off. That would have made her stick with you. Like you said, there is no understanding it. You just have to know that it is that way. You don't really have a chick until you make her cry. As Kumbu was saying his girl had a friend that she didn't like him looking at. Well I would have told her that I wanted to fuck her friend or at the very least I thought her friend was very attractive (regardless of how hideous she was).
Rocky Power
07-12-10, 04:41
Just curious; any casinos in Pattaya?Nothing available in Thailand unfortuately.
There are a couple of casi's in Manila if your keen on a destination with gambling and the odd's are rather good if your a Blackjack man.
The casi's there look like something from the 1970's and the rules are the same.
If you stick to basic strategy and follow the "surrender" rules and double downs when dealer has a 10 the odds are slightly in your favour. I played 5 sessions and won 4 of them. Downside is there isnt much to do otherwise and always had the feeling i had to watch my back in the street.
As mentioned there are casi's in Cambodia and on the border with Thailand which i may get the chance to check out on my next trip and see what the odd's are there.
Uncle Volodya
07-12-10, 05:36
You don't really have a chick until you make her cry. .
Wow man. This is some cynical stuff.
I just can't make myself be that ruthless when it comes to girls. Business and politics yes. But not in love and sex. It takes all of the joy out of it for me.
But to each his own.
Redfield10
07-12-10, 05:46
You must be quite the stud to have the women want you even more when you treat them like crap. You must be irresistible. How do you do it? Is it your warm personality or your irresistible good looks?
I don't think it was as hard for her to get over her old boyfriend as it was hard for her to get over him no longer sponsoring her. If someone was kicking you down with $300 or so every month then all of a sudden stopped doing it how much would you miss it? Those guys stick with the program of sending money for a few months then the mojo wears off and they come to their senses.
In a world of P4P, non-pros, or whatever, you have to have game. I always go with the "I like you, but I don't give a fuck" approach. For instance I am seeing the girl who works the desk at the hotel I stayed at before I got my own place. When I was gone from Thailand she was not calling or emailing me. When I returned to Thailand and stayed at the hotel I made it KNOWN as soon as I got there that I was on the way out to find a woman. As sure as shit I returned with one. The word spread fast. When I saw her the next day at the front desk she said, "so you have a girlfriend now. " I told her no, but since I was not hearing from her that I found somebody. Now she understands the importance of keeping in contact with me and keeping my attention. (I mean I'm going to do the same shit anyway but I will be more discreet.)
Also with the pros. I can fuck all of my regulars without giving them anything. They look at me and think, "He doesn't give a fuck. " For that they love me. They are used to guys groveling over them and putting them on a pedestal and staying with them everyday of their hard-earned vacation. I keep them on their toes. When I come in the disco they don't know what to expect. I always greet them of course and have a few words. Then I am off searching for new meat. (Hell, I can call them any time to fuck or hang out.) I still don't try to disrespect them though. I make a deal with my new meat and when they are not looking I disappear like David Copperfield with the new girl.
Back to your issue. You should have showed her that you didn't give a fuck before she had a chance to cut you off. That would have made her stick with you. Like you said, there is no understanding it. You just have to know that it is that way. You don't really have a chick until you make her cry. As Kumbu was saying his girl had a friend that she didn't like him looking at. Well I would have told her that I wanted to fuck her friend or at the very least I thought her friend was very attractive (regardless of how hideous she was).
Uncle Volodya
07-12-10, 06:55
hey all.
thanks for your responses. it is good to hear from all you folks out there. i appreciate all the good perspectives we have on this form.
in the last installment i had just been spurned by my “freebie”, who was still hung up on her old bf. so back to the drawing board for me and to find a shoulder to cry on.
she left me horny as all hell, but i managed to calm down and get a little pressing work done. by 5 pm, with my work done, i was really in need of a release and decided to reward myself. so i decided to see what was on offer in the neighborhood in jomtien, before heading back to pattaya for the night. i had this girl in mind, fon, who i met at one of the bars in thejomtien complex, balrney stone. very cute, lilly white skin, with a curvy body and nice natural boobs. i posted about her a couple of days ago. but she was nowhere to be found and the girls at the bar said they had never heard of her. weird. i should have bf’d her the other day, but we really didn’t make a connection so i thought fuck it, i’ll come back when she isn’t so preoccupied. now she’s disappeared into thin air. this sucks because for me, she is really the only doable girl i have run across here in the jomtien bars. it would be good to get something cooking in my backyard. lol. i may try to see if i can catch up with her again this evening before i head out to walking street.
so i try the other bars and find absolutely no one i am attracted to. waste of a couple of hours. i come back home, cook up a little dinner, shower and shave and i am out the door and on walking street by 11pm.
again the plan is to try my fl luck and then if i strike out go to a gogo. the street is packed in anticipation of the finals. a lot of girls with little spanish flags made up on their cheek. i see a couple of very nice lookers by family mart. i take note of them for later. i am also starting to recognizes the same old faces in the line of girls that hang out at lucifer. it is super humid and very tiring to be walking around. so i decide to end my stroll and duck into walking street.
the scene is pretty dead and i realize i’ve come way too early. it’s really not worth it to be here before midnight. a couple of friendly girls start grabbing and feeling on my chest. i did judo and other sports for awhile when i was younger and have pretty developed pecs (or i guess som may call them man boobs lol). i like the attention but i’m not interested in taking either of them home. but we have a good laugh as i tell them that they can do this now for free , but next time i’ll charge. i make a couple rounds by the bar. spot one curvy and cute girl. we start to talk, but pass on her after further inspection. the face isn’t as cute up close. two girls catch my eye as they walk in and i make eye contact with one and she grabs my dick as she walks by. but again, she is into really my cup of tea. (jeeze, uncle v you’ve become picky as of late!) beers here are relatively cheap at 85bht, so i go to the bar to order what i figure to be my last drink before heading to one of the gogos.
so i am just kicking it by the bar, nursing my last beer, and this absolutely fantastic pair of girls walks in. the one i fancy has beautiful hair, a trim figure and is dressed classy-sexy in short cut jean shorts and a white linen shirt. her face is a nice mix of european and thai with big round eyes. her friend is sexy too, tall dark hair and much more traditionally asian looking. the girls occupy a spot opposite me, but don’t seem to be giving me the time of day. initially i'm reluctant to go over and talk to them. these girls seem young and i don’t want a repeat of the starfish experience form the first night. they also aren’t dressed like your typical waking street girls. they look more like the kind of girls you would see at the mall in bkk or something. but i just can’t keep my eyes off her and we keep playing the stare game for a while. eventually she raises her beer as if to toast me and i walk over and start chatting her up. she is very welcoming and friendly. i complement her on her hair and tell her she should be in a shampoo commercial and we laugh.
well, things are going good. we have a few laughs and dance for a bit. i order a round and we are grooving together. i have my hands all over her, and she isn’t as firm as i’d expected. but i am still digging on her exotic face and full beatifull hair. pretty soon she is grinding on me and we make out a little bit. i’m thinking: is this another freebie? but she burst my bubble by saying that she needs money to go with me. no big deal. i ask her to name a price and she says 1500. done! we finish our beers, say goodbye to her friend, who has easily found a guy, and we are off.
once i get her out into the light i realize she’s not quite the gem i thought i had found. a bit older (25) and the body isn’t as tight as i’d hoped. but she is still very cute and not to be kicked out of my bed. but still its amazing how much the dark lighting, a little beer, and one’s imagination can fool you. i had mistaken a 26 year old milf for a 19 year old schoolgirl. but there was no going back now. and we were clicking pretty well too. and she was still damn cute, though not the kind of girl i typically go for.
she was a bit tipsy and we continued drinking at my place and watched a bit of the game. we took our clothes off as soon as we got in. as expected the body was not super firm, but she did have some nice curves and nice ripe boobs. the sex was very, very good. she gets really into it and cums very easily and hard. i could feel her little pussy quiver. she gives fabulous head and is a great kisser too. we did it twice before passing out and then twice again in the morning. she complemented me on making her cum 4 times. has left me a bit drained today (no [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) for me this afternoon lol). we went down and had breakfast and then i saw her off. she pressed on me to cal her again, but i managed to evade any promises on my part to do so.
overall a very nice experience i will be recalling again on some cold and lonely night. but i don’t think i’ll be taking her again. i’m not a real connoisseur of milfs and prefer my girls younger and firmer. she tells me she is at waling street almost every night of the week. so far this has been my favorite stomping ground. i’d hate to go back and pick up another girl in front of her. i know how jealous these girls can get (like siamese cats lol) and i’d hate to make a scene. do you guys think i am too worried about this? there are some real gems to be had at this place and i’d hate to have it off limits.
she says she will definitely be there tonight. so the plan for tonight may be to go back to the gogo for ploi or to take one of the “stewardesses” from airport. i also need to hit up dd at some point, but want to be well rested. and i may look for the jomtien cutie fon again. decisions, decisions
stay horny my friends,
uncle v.
ps: my freebie just called. she is up in issan visiting her family. she says she wants to see me again when she comes back next week. but i will be long gone. headed to chiang mai friday and then back to the us next week. too bad. she really was a sweetheart and she had one of the nicest bodies i’ve ever had the privilege to lie down with.
Travelforfun
07-12-10, 07:38
Reachin Pattaya this weekend. In all the excitement of being back there i called up an old friend in BKK and turn's out she's moved to Pattaya as well.
Met this lovely little girl in Singapore a few yrs back and picked her up for 2 consecutive days also had a ST with her once again in Pattaya few yrs ago on new yrs eve.She's really nice and kind to me and does'nt even talk money.
She's never asked me for money or gifts in all these yrs but she does give me a call everytime she travels to Singapore in anticipation of meeting again.So this time when the Thailand trip happend i gave her a call to check if she was still in town. Dont want to be stuck with her for 5 days but neither would like to be rude to her , Im in a fix. Me and my big mouth , told her im travelling alone so she's probably already making plans to be with me for the entire trip.
i don't think so. Gambling is illegal in Thailand.
If you really want to gamble, then you should visit the border Thailand/Cambodia...But of course its about just leave yourself open to either a backhander for the police or a fine. (I paid the backhander 5000bt)
Uncle Volodya
07-12-10, 12:52
Reachin Pattaya this weekend. In all the excitement of being back there i called up an old friend in BKK and turn's out she's moved to Pattaya as well.
Met this lovely little girl in Singapore a few yrs back and picked her up for 2 consecutive days also had a ST with her once again in Pattaya few yrs ago on new yrs eve.She's really nice and kind to me and does'nt even talk money.
She's never asked me for money or gifts in all these yrs but she does give me a call everytime she travels to Singapore in anticipation of meeting again.So this time when the Thailand trip happend i gave her a call to check if she was still in town. Dont want to be stuck with her for 5 days but neither would like to be rude to her , Im in a fix. Me and my big mouth , told her im travelling alone so she's probably already making plans to be with me for the entire trip.
Quite a prdicament. She may not take money. But remember there is such a thing as opportunity costs. I am sure that your time is worth more than the 1500 Bhat LT most FLs will take. I would try to maximize my experience. have you considered telling her the trip is off and just staying in BKK?
Travelforfun
07-12-10, 13:37
Quite a prdicament. She may not take money. But remember there is such a thing as opportunity costs. I am sure that your time is worth more than the 1500 Bhat LT most FLs will take. I would try to maximize my experience. have you considered telling her the trip is off and just staying in BKK?
Totally agree....dont wanna stay in BKK for 5 days...and pattaya is way too small and dont want a catfight on the street if we bang into each other.
I guess i'll just have to meet her and take it from there....i doubt she'll take money...she did'nt last time either so will have the play the "my friend will sleep with me card" and try to keep her away atleast from sleeping over.
Thanks anyways mate.
Striderani
07-12-10, 13:42
Alright, so I'm about to bite the bullet, put my money where my mouth is and book the flight. But I got a few final questions before I outlay my money. 1st is, is it a good idea to book the Hotel in advance? I don't think I'll have trouble finding one, a bit of reading on these forums is good enough to find on of a quality I'm looking for, but I just want to make sure I won't be left on the street when I get there. I will be staying for two weeks sometime from late Oct through Nov, depending on available flights.
The other question is money related. Roughly how much would you think I'd need for a two week stay? I'd figure 1k AUS for the flight and I've got up to 3k left but I think that's overkill. 3k is roughly 85k BHT. Judging by Kumbu's post in the BKK thread it seems like more than enough. My only concern is I read somewhere that it's hard to convert Baht back into AUS. Is this true? I'm a bit skeptical about this info. Otherwise I will get one of those ATM cards my travel agent was talking about that lets me draw Baht from the ATM's.
Just got my passport set up, will be looking around a few other travel agents before I settle on a price for the flight. Trying to get one for 800$ but it's a tough call. Apparently it will be busy during this time and many of the flights are booked out already. Any of you know if this is true? If I just take travel agents word then I better book now now now, because otherwise I will need to pay more to get a seat (Well according to her). Sounds a bit like she wants my money, but I'm not so sure.
See you all soon. Strider.
Striderani
07-12-10, 13:50
In a world of P4P, non-pros, or whatever, you have to have game. I always go with the "I like you, but I don't give a fuck" approach. For instance I am seeing the girl who works the desk at the hotel I stayed at before I got my own place. When I was gone from Thailand she was not calling or emailing me. When I returned to Thailand and stayed at the hotel I made it KNOWN as soon as I got there that I was on the way out to find a woman. As sure as shit I returned with one. The word spread fast. When I saw her the next day at the front desk she said, "so you have a girlfriend now." I told her no, but since I was not hearing from her that I found somebody. Now she understands the importance of keeping in contact with me and keeping my attention. (I mean I'm going to do the same shit anyway but I will be more discreet.)I would do this too. What I don't get is why we have to be on a "good behavior" (Not cheating w/e) for them when they fuck a diff bloke every time? Is it just me or have I got the wrong picture? That's the kind of impression I'm getting and I think it's because word will spread and the girls will think you are a "bad man". But seriously, is it really like this? Or do you just notice this stuff once you've been here a while?
Mr Enternational
07-12-10, 14:06
Totally agree....dont wanna stay in BKK for 5 days...and pattaya is way too small and dont want a catfight on the street if we bang into each other.
I guess i'll just have to meet her and take it from there....i doubt she'll take money...she did'nt last time either so will have the play the "my friend will sleep with me card" and try to keep her away atleast from sleeping over.
Thanks anyways mate.Or do like I do with my non-pros who I know will be clingy; call her on the last day.
Some more question about Pattaya - would I be able to easily find some Malaysian/Chinese/Philipinas girls to shag in Pattaya, or just Thai girls? Have nothing against Thai (who would have) but woud love to have some biodiversity.
I’m thinking: Is this another freebie? But she burst my bubble by saying that she needs money to go with me. No big deal. I ask her to name a price and she says 1500. Done! We finish our beers, say goodbye to her friend, who has easily found a guy, and we are off.
Once I get her out into the light I realize she’s not quite the Gem I thought I had found. A bit older (25) and the body isn’t as tight as I’d hoped. But she is still very cute and not to be kicked out of my bed. But still its amazing how much the dark lighting, a little beer, and one’s imagination can fool you. I had mistaken a 26 year old milf for a 19 year old schoolgirl. But there was no going back now. And we were clicking pretty well too. And she was still damn cute, though not the kind of girl I typically go for.
I'm sad to hear that this kind of meat is quoting prices like that now in Pat. Is that what girls are asking for in discos now?
I don't do the discos anymore because most of the meat is well used, and most of the girls are older and speak lots of English. I agree it's also very dark so it's hard to tell what girls look like. The good thing is that most freebies come from the discos, if that's what you're into.
Some more question about Pattaya - would I be able to easily find some Malaysian/Chinese/Philipinas girls to shag in Pattaya, or just Thai girls? Have nothing against Thai (who would have) but woud love to have some biodiversity.
There are chinese and taiwanese who come for vacation in Pattaya, and I sometimes see korean and japanese tourists as well. I don't think Pattaya offers this in p4p form, but there are some spots in bkk that do.
There are chinese and taiwanese who come for vacation in Pattaya, and I sometimes see korean and japanese tourists as well. I don't think Pattaya offers this in p4p form, but there are some spots in bkk that do.Thx Amjeck, I was thinking about girls of p4p scene. Nowhere in Pattaya..?
El Frances
07-12-10, 22:14
I'm sad to hear that this kind of meat is quoting prices like that now in Pat. Is that what girls are asking for in discos now?
I don't do the discos anymore because most of the meat is well used, and most of the girls are older and speak lots of English. I agree it's also very dark so it's hard to tell what girls look like. The good thing is that most freebies come from the discos, if that's what you're into.
That's what they ask if you ask them how much they want. If you just tell them what you give her, the 1000 Bath bill still rules!
Anyway, my experience is that most girls in discos never talked money with me (I also don't look like a newbie). I just gave them money in the (very late) morning.
PS I agree about "used meat". One needs very good eyes (and sometimes luck) to spot the fresh ones.
Mr Enternational
07-13-10, 00:23
What I don't get is why we have to be on a "good behavior" (Not cheating w/e) for them when they fuck a diff bloke every time? Is it just me or have I got the wrong picture? I have absolutely no idea where this came from. I would suspect that it came from GFE overkill where guys who were getting GFE service felt they were cheating on their hooker if they went with someone else. Then they felt guilty for "cheating" and the girls caught wind of this. In order to protect their cash cow the girls came up with the butterfly label and made guys feel guilty/ashamed to want different women. I don't get it either. If I only wanted one girl then I would get a girlfriend instead of a hooker.
That is why it is best to show them from the beginning that you are a butterfly man. The smart/seasoned ones understand that you are on holiday and want to be with as many women as possible so they won't pester you after you have sessioned with them. The newer ones are mostly still in the rose-tinted glasses phase.
Mr Enternational
07-13-10, 00:34
Alright, so I'm about to bite the bullet, put my money where my mouth is and book the flight. But I got a few final questions before I outlay my money. 1st is, is it a good idea to book the Hotel in advance?Up to you. There is no shortage of rooms in Pattaya. Like it has been said before, just book one day at a random place, then when you arrive at ground zero search for a place you would like to be for the rest of your stay.
The other question is money related. Roughly how much would you think I'd need for a two week stay?Up to you again. You may be a Beach Road guy and pay 300 baht/pop or you may be a soapie junkie and pay up to 2500 baht/pop. So that depends on what type of mongering you like to do. I wouldn't allocate much for food. It's pretty cheap.
My only concern is I read somewhere that it's hard to convert Baht back into AUS. Is this true? I'm a bit skeptical about this info. Otherwise I will get one of those ATM cards my travel agent was talking about that lets me draw Baht from the ATM's.You can bring cash but you don't have to change it all over at once. If you use the ATM you will have to pay a 150 baht each time. As far as the conversion back, USD and Euro are used as base currencies around the world. Many times a converter will convert from currency X to USD or Euro, then from that to currency Y.
Just got my passport set up, will be looking around a few other travel agents before I settle on a price for the flight. Trying to get one for 800$ but it's a tough call. Ditch the travel agent. We have internet these days. Book your own ticket.
What I don't get is why we have to be on a "good behavior" (Not cheating w/e) for them when they fuck a diff bloke every time? Is it just me or have I got the wrong picture? That's the kind of impression I'm getting and I think it's because word will spread and the girls will think you are a "bad man". But seriously, is it really like this? Or do you just notice this stuff once you've been here a while?I think this is a complicated issue - not in how to deal with it, but in what the underlying cause of it is. But before I get into that: it isn't just you - it's a pretty accurate picture you paint. Unless you do as Mr. E. is suggesting and set the conditions early. If you are clear with her that you are a player and she cannot consider you proprietary, then you wont run into this. But if you are not clear, then you will definitely run into this at some point.
I think it is complicated for the following reasons. One part of it is as Mr. E suggests - it is a good business practise on the girl's part. If she can make you exclusive to her, then it means your money will drain directly into her purse, and not into any other competitive purses. It's like McDonald's trying to get those golden arches burned into the mind of little 3-year-old Mikey. If all Mikey wants is a Happy Meal, then Burger King is out one extra customer.
Second, there is a complex social fabric in the gogo bars (and I presume amongst FLs on WS and Beach rd too). When they manage to get a guy to be exclusive to them, it makes them look good in the eyes of their competitors. It raises them in the social hierarchy since they were good enough to get one of these rich falang to commit to her. I have been told this point blank by two different gogo girls. This becomes particularly strong if they have a good time with you, and then they go back to their girls and brag about how you spent 3 hours licking her pussy. This then sets up the expectation that you will be back for her, and if that does not happen, the girl looks pretty stupid in front of her friends. So you neutralize this by being clear to her the very first time you go with her. She then knows not to go back to her friends and brag.
Third, in some cases, the girls find you pleasant to be with. That is, 9/10 mongers are brutes - they want to fuck hard and dirty and be gone. If/when a girl finds someone who she can tolerate, and who smells decent, and who doesn't have a third leg between his legs, she tries her mightiest to hang on to that guy. That is, if a girl is going to fuck for money, might as well pick the best guys she can and try to have them be the frequent flier in her pussy, rather than the other 9/10 brutes. Imagine you were being paid for sex, and 9/10 of the women who came to be fucked by you looked like Barbara Walters. And then along comes Charlize Theron. Or maybe not even Charlize Theron, maybe just a Sarah Silverman, you know, someone who isn't really sexy, but who looks decent compared to Barbara Walters. Wouldn't you try to get the latter to commit to you, just so you would not have to fuck Barbara Walters? Sorry guys, the imagery of a naked Wawa Walters may just have killed a thousand erections.
Fourth, some of these girls are in fact on the hunt for a long term relationship. See, for example, Uncle V.'s recent gold strike. Whether this is for emotional reasons, or financial reasons. or whatever, some of these girls want to try to snare someone into something long term. So they are always trying to keep a list of guys who could potentially be that guy. In fact, many girls have several sponsors, each sending them small (or large) bits of money, which adds up to quite a lot. Again, if I were a Thai working girl, this seems like the smartest thing to do, if I had the wherewithall to do it.
Once again, all of this can be easily avoided if you are clear from the get-go. You need not be brutal about it - you don't have to say to the girl "Look, I don't want a long term relationship with you, ok?" You don't have to make her cry, as someone suggested earlier - that may be easy, but is not necessary. You can do all of this in a soft, but clear way. Don't tell her you are single unless you want to try to have a long term relationship with her. Tell her about all your gogo exploits - it will make for fun conversation, and you wont have to hide anything from her. And of course, it makes clear that you are a player not looking to settle down. Take the phone number when offered, but don't sms or call the next day - that is a sure sign way of getting her interested in you. Wait 2-3 days before you sms her, and make the sms warm but very generic like 'I had a good time, I hope to see you again in a few days time.' Don't buy her gifts when you see her the second time. Etc. - you get the picture.
GregLondon
07-13-10, 03:58
I think this is a complicated issue - not in how to deal with it, but in what the underlying cause of it is. But before I get into that: it isn't just you - it's a pretty accurate picture you paint. Unless you do as Mr. E. is suggesting and set the conditions early. If you are clear with her that you are a player and she cannot consider you proprietary, then you wont run into this. But if you are not clear, then you will definitely run into this at some point.
I think it is complicated for the following reasons. One part of it is as Mr. E suggests - it is a good business practise on the girl's part. If she can make you exclusive to her, then it means your money will drain directly into her purse, and not into any other competitive purses. It's like McDonald's trying to get those golden arches burned into the mind of little 3-year-old Mikey. If all Mikey wants is a Happy Meal, then Burger King is out one extra customer.
Second, there is a complex social fabric in the gogo bars (and I presume amongst FLs on WS and Beach rd too). When they manage to get a guy to be exclusive to them, it makes them look good in the eyes of their competitors. It raises them in the social hierarchy since they were good enough to get one of these rich falang to commit to her. I have been told this point blank by two different gogo girls. This becomes particularly strong if they have a good time with you, and then they go back to their girls and brag about how you spent 3 hours licking her pussy. This then sets up the expectation that you will be back for her, and if that does not happen, the girl looks pretty stupid in front of her friends. So you neutralize this by being clear to her the very first time you go with her. She then knows not to go back to her friends and brag.
Third, in some cases, the girls find you pleasant to be with. That is, 9/10 mongers are brutes - they want to fuck hard and dirty and be gone. If/when a girl finds someone who she can tolerate, and who smells decent, and who doesn't have a third leg between his legs, she tries her mightiest to hang on to that guy. That is, if a girl is going to fuck for money, might as well pick the best guys she can and try to have them be the frequent flier in her pussy, rather than the other 9/10 brutes. Imagine you were being paid for sex, and 9/10 of the women who came to be fucked by you looked like Barbara Walters. And then along comes Charlize Theron. Or maybe not even Charlize Theron, maybe just a Sarah Silverman, you know, someone who isn't really sexy, but who looks decent compared to Barbara Walters. Wouldn't you try to get the latter to commit to you, just so you would not have to fuck Barbara Walters? Sorry guys, the imagery of a naked Wawa Walters may just have killed a thousand erections.
Fourth, some of these girls are in fact on the hunt for a long term relationship. See, for example, Uncle V.'s recent gold strike. Whether this is for emotional reasons, or financial reasons. or whatever, some of these girls want to try to snare someone into something long term. So they are always trying to keep a list of guys who could potentially be that guy. In fact, many girls have several sponsors, each sending them small (or large) bits of money, which adds up to quite a lot. Again, if I were a Thai working girl, this seems like the smartest thing to do, if I had the wherewithall to do it.
Once again, all of this can be easily avoided if you are clear from the get-go. You need not be brutal about it - you don't have to say to the girl "Look, I don't want a long term relationship with you, ok?" You don't have to make her cry, as someone suggested earlier - that may be easy, but is not necessary. You can do all of this in a soft, but clear way. Don't tell her you are single unless you want to try to have a long term relationship with her. Tell her about all your gogo exploits - it will make for fun conversation, and you wont have to hide anything from her. And of course, it makes clear that you are a player not looking to settle down. Take the phone number when offered, but don't sms or call the next day - that is a sure sign way of getting her interested in you. Wait 2-3 days before you sms her, and make the sms warm but very generic like 'I had a good time, I hope to see you again in a few days time.' Don't buy her gifts when you see her the second time. Etc. - you get the picture.
I think Kumbu has more or less nailed this question. A few minor additional points.
1 I think Kumbus ' fourth point ie looking for a "I'll send you 10,000B a month when I'm back in Germany so you don't have to be a hooker any more" kind of guy is very important.
2 It is typically the 7/10 type girls who are keenest on this game for pretty obvious reasons. The nullipara 10s and 9s will be getting plenty of highly priced short term business and are likely to be more interested in retaining their flexibility and freedom.
3 How i tend to disabuse the exclusiveness is to ask whether she has any hot friends I can fuck too
Big Daddy 1906
07-13-10, 03:59
On day 3 of 5 in Pattaya before BKK for 3 days, I go to Angelwitch to look for an old favorite who used to be at Classroom but is now one of the regulars at Angelwitch. At 2130 I go in and I'm on the only guy there. I order a water (I rarely drink) and am told that I have to order alcohol first before I can order water. WTF!?!?!?? Needless to say that I left and I won't be back.
It is completely a buyer's market right now. WS has been pretty dead for the past few days. The main hot spots have been Baccara and the Caveren. Heaven's Above is also holding it's own as one of WS's hidden gems with great talent.
... How i tend to disabuse the exclusiveness is to ask whether she has any hot friends I can fuck too
Same here. You can also explain to your girl that you really would like to do something that she refuses to do or that she can not do alone. A threesome is an obvious and very common request, but you may ask for a girl who is willing to do anal (if your "wannabe regular girlfriend" does not) or swallow your cum (or a rim job or water games, etc.). It doesn't matter whether you are into any of those "perversions" or not, it's just a pretext for you to be a butterfly and to try new girls.
On day 3 of 5 in Pattaya before BKK for 3 days, I go to Angelwitch to look for an old favorite who used to be at Classroom but is now one of the regulars at Angelwitch. At 2130 I go in and I'm on the only guy there. I order a water (I rarely drink) and am told that I have to order alcohol first before I can order water. WTF!?!?!?? Needless to say that I left and I won't be back.
Strange, must be something new because I’ve been to AW on a number of occasions and never ordered alcohol. They do serve soft drinks which I always order with no issues.
Big Daddy 1906
07-13-10, 06:30
Strange, must be something new because I’ve been to AW on a number of occasions and never ordered alcohol. They do serve soft drinks which I always order with no issues.
It very well could be a one off. The way that the market is in Pattaya tight now. I could be possible.
Thx Amjeck, I was thinking about girls of p4p scene. Nowhere in Pattaya..?
No, never seen that available. If you find it please send me a pm.
I have absolutely no idea where this came from. I would suspect that it came from GFE overkill where guys who were getting GFE service felt they were cheating on their hooker if they went with someone else.
I think SOME Thai bar/gogo girls are under the impression that they are not prostitutes. And they don't understand the way Westerners look down on prostitutes. They actually think they are worthy of a normal relationship.
That is why it is best to show them from the beginning that you are a butterfly man. The smart/seasoned ones understand that you are on holiday and want to be with as many women as possible so they won't pester you after you have sessioned with them. The newer ones are mostly still in the rose-tinted glasses phase.
I advise to treat all of them as hookers. That doesn't mean you have to mean to them, however.
Uncle Volodya
07-13-10, 15:51
The next installment:
I spent yesterday afternoon at the floating market. Pretty touristy with the usual brick-a-brack. On thing that was interesting was that it was all Asians. Mostly Thai with a sprinkling of Chinese and Japanese. No freebies or FLs to be had. But nice and cheap food. A lot of good photo opportunities for those who need to build up the alibi on how they were trekking through the wild country and not spending their time with wanton girls. LOL
Anyhow, back o the topic at hand. I got back, showered, and decided to give the bas her in Jomtien a little try again. Actually my target was one girl, Fon, who works at Blarney stone in the Jomtien complex. I mentioned her in the last post. She was there when I arrived but things did not go too well. Her English was no good and she was again preoccupied eating. No love form me even after buying her a lady drink. Part of this may have to do with the fact that her English is very poor. It was also pretty early, around 8PM. But the general attitude in this place leaves a lot to be desired. Everyone is lazing about, eating, buying stuff form the vendors. As does the quality of the girls. Most could really be classified as hags. The clientel were very old grandpa types. (More power to them-- I just hope I will be able to do the same at their age --but not for me. To top it all off there is a gay guy there that serves as the unofficial mascot. While Fon is ignoring me he is givng me googly eyes and blowing kisses form across the room. This is just too much! Finished my beer and booked. Didn’t even wait for Fon to get back from whatever she was doing in the bar. I am absolutely finished with these skanky Jomtien bar scene!
So the plan is to go back to WS and hit Airport. The place is packed and going off I see my girls form my first night (we had made out in the bar, but I didn’t BF them). One of them is doing the soapy thing and grabs me and puts my hand on her ass as I walk by. “Hello baby!”. The other one is also soon with me and sitting on my lap. But, the thing is, I am just not feeling these two tonight. They knocked my socks off on Night 1 but I am getting spoiled. There are, however, a couple of really sexy things on stage. I buy a drink for one. But she too I is preoccupied and busy. I guess she’s a popular girl. I leave her to the guy who is sitting next to me, who knows her form before. Very nice Swedish guy who I get to talking to after a ruckus breaks out next door (someone was having a heart attack and they had to call an ambulance. We both agree that there are worse ways to go. LOL.
With Airport not really doing it for me I bid them farewell and head out to Supergirl. Now I had some good success at Superbaby the other day. But I don’t want to return there as I had already taken a girl form there. So I try the sister establishment. I think the girls were a lot hotter here than airport. And the lighting is better so you can get a good look at them. One in particular grabs my attention. An absolute doll. Great body, natural c cups. Maybe the best looking girl I’ve seen this trip. I buy her a drink and get to talking. The usual price structure. 700 BF. But she refuses to go long time. I guess it’s still early, before 12. Same happened to me in BK at Rainbow. I guess she must be popular too and doesn’t want to miss out on her payday. Can’t say that I blame her. She may have changed her mind towards the end of the evening. But after an afternoon of trudging through the heat I am too tired to sit here and wait her out. I will leave her for another day.
Which brings me to the title of this post, the ace in the hole I had at Superbaby. I walk in and she is with another customer, but ditches him right away to join me. She had made me promise to take her again an she must now think I have a good heart. I try not to break her illusion and we pick up where we left off. She is super cute and bubbly with a tremendous natural rack for such a small thing. We grab a drink at one of the music bas (name now escapes me) and hang a bit laughing and talking. Soon we head back to my condo..
Another great experience with this little bundle of sexyjoy. My only regret is that I didn’t have the energy this time to go for round 2 before the morning and fell asleep after our first coupling. We also talked a bit and she had some interesting things to say about the situation. She said that she and many of the girls prefer Japanese customers because they are not as well endowed and because they finish quickly. But she also says that she enjoys my company and that she is glad I took her again. I am all too happy to buy this hook line and sinker. She says its her birthday tomorrow and she wants me to take her again. But I am not so sure. There are just too many girls to be had here. A nice session in the morning too. We parted like we were BF and GF, and she had plenty of tender kisses for me before leaving late this morning.
Well, with all the lady drinks and BFs last night was a little hard on the wallet. I plan on going back to the FL path tonight. If I run into the MILF I will just have to break the fact that I won’t take her tactfully.
Speaking of tact, the “freebie” girl called again and she is on her way back from Issan and wants to see me. Given our history I don’t think it’s a good idea. But maybe she’ll be my “ace in the hole” one of these last nights in Pattaya?
Stay horny my friends,
Uncle V
I'll head back to Pattaya next month after a couple of years off. Though I heard a lot of good stories about the bars at Soi 6 for an "in-between-session" in the afternoon I plan go there to take a deeper look.
Can someone recommend a bar at Soi 6 where you have a high chance to find naughty girls that provide anal sex as well?
ThaiLearner
07-14-10, 08:38
I'll head back to Pattaya next month after a couple of years off. Though I heard a lot of good stories about the bars at Soi 6 for an "in-between-session" in the afternoon I plan go there to take a deeper look.
Can someone recommend a bar at Soi 6 where you have a high chance to find naughty girls that provide anal sex as well?
To be honest it can vary from bar to bar, girl to girl you best way in have a crawl around and ask the girls if they do.
I like Siagon girl and sexy in the city.
You will get very good chances in the Pook bar
Im like you, I hate shaved pussiesIts great to hear I am not alone... Maybe we could meet somewhere in Pattaya on Oct/Nov. this year? And hunt together for some real, hirsuit Thai pussies ;)
I have a list of 6 crucial question (imbedded in my head) that I ask every girl.Would you share pls your experience with me on that subject? I've red tons of reports, got some clue of that, but I am still a newbie, as I never been to LOS before. I had no objections to ask hookers I've been with about their beavers. Sadly, here in EU almost 99% of p4p girls shave their pussies what really makes me sick! So even 25% unshaved will make me happy. But to maximise my chnces, what else you can do before you ask about that fur? I mean what are the signs that might help you guess/predict unshaved Tahi pussy? As mentioned in your earlier post - most of the girls new to the p4p scene are unshaved. Any other observations? Here where I live, I am quite good with my predictions, but feel completely lost imaging Thailand.
It is not personal question to Amjeck only, anybodys answer will be appreciated.
All the best you bloody mongers
Goldenem
I think SOME Thai bar/gogo girls are under the impression that they are not prostitutes. And they don't understand the way Westerners look down on prostitutes. They actually think they are worthy of a normal relationship.
I advise to treat all of them as hookers. That doesn't mean you have to mean to them, however.Why do I rise to the bait?
1 As we all know, there is a spectrum of girls, from those working full-time as hookers to those who are trying to supplant their income with a bit of casual work on the side. I am sure the latter do not consider themselves as prostitutes, and indeed I don't feel the need to put a label on them and treat them as if they have no other attributes.
2 Do we look down on prostitutes? I don't, any more than I look down on masseuses or shop-workers or ticket-collectors or tuc-tuc drivers. I might look down on drug users or thieves, I guess. Perhaps I'm unusual.
3 Well, nobody supposes that it is going to be a normal relationship, unless they are very naive, but they are certainly worthy of normal human social interactions.
4 And how would we know if we are treating them as hookers? Many of us like a gfe and it's pretty difficult to do both at the same time.
5 Amjeck, I'm sure you're a real gent with the ladies, and you just write these things to wind me up, but you can actually be more than 'not mean'... You can have a fun friendly affectionate pleasant relaxed exciting relationship, without ever losing sight of the fact that at the end of the day she wouldn't be there if you didn't have something rather special in your trouser pocket (ie your wallet).
Fun And Sun
07-14-10, 19:50
Same here. You can also explain to your girl that you really would like to do something that she refuses to do or that she can not do alone. A threesome is an obvious and very common request, but you may ask for a girl who is willing to do anal (if your "wannabe regular girlfriend" does not) or swallow your cum (or a rim job or water games, etc.). It doesn't matter whether you are into any of those "perversions" or not, it's just a pretext for you to be a butterfly and to try new girls.
He he he, I like this strategy. I have used it with girlfriends back home when I have decided that I wanted to break up with them and thus have nothing to lose really: "It is important to me that my GF does anal, so can't be with you if you don't." Or, "my one fantasy in life is to have a threesome and can't be with you if we can't share this". If she says no, then the relationship is over since she gets deeply offended to be dumped over refusing to do anal (I counterargue that I must not mean that much to her if she can't do this one little thing for me), if she says yes, well, then my interest is rekindled for another few weeks. Had it work for anal, but sadly never for a threesome.
Guess it's worth a go in LOS as well, but when on the ground there time is precious to me, and would feel a bit bad dumping a girl 12 hours after she has given her virgin back door to me to prove her affection so haven't used it there.
My personal strategy with the ones I like to see again, but not have hanging around all the time, is to just tell them that I am meeting another mongerer for the day/a few days and they can't come since he is not nice to girls and don't want him to misbehave towards them. Then when I want to see them I just call them. When asked "tilac, you take different lady when I not here" I "sweet mouth" that I don't have sex that often since I like it to be special. Think they know that I am lying, but allows them to save face to an extent being lied to mildly. Just my two cents on this topic.
You can have a fun friendly affectionate pleasant relaxed exciting relationship, without ever losing sight of the fact that at the end of the day she wouldn't be there if you didn't have something rather special in your trouser pocket (ie your wallet).
Yah, that's the point i'm trying to get across. My words appear harsh sometimes only to beat the point into the right "head".
Would you share pls your experience with me on that subject? I've red tons of reports, got some clue of that, but I am still a newbie, as I never been to LOS before. I had no objections to ask hookers I've been with about their beavers.
There's no rhyme or reason to it. You just got to ask them. I speak thai so it's easy for me to ask in a non-threatening way or to even joke about the odd question. But if it's something that you have to have, then by all means ask, and if need be try and put your hand in their pants (after rapport is made of course).
They see it as a buisness, and themsevles as entrepreneurs.
Picked up an older gal (33) in the Therma one time, built like a brick sh. Thought it interesting that she called her 14 year old daughter to tell her she got a customer and, as a result, will be home in the morning. She then told me her daughter was thrilled that "momy got a customer tonight." Told me a lot about the mindset.
Why do I rise to the bait?
1 As we all know, there is a spectrum of girls, from those working full-time as hookers to those who are trying to supplant their income with a bit of casual work on the side. I am sure the latter do not consider themselves as prostitutes, and indeed I don't feel the need to put a label on them and treat them as if they have no other attributes.
2 Do we look down on prostitutes? I don't, any more than I look down on masseuses or shop-workers or ticket-collectors or tuc-tuc drivers. I might look down on drug users or thieves, I guess. Perhaps I'm unusual.
3 Well, nobody supposes that it is going to be a normal relationship, unless they are very naive, but they are certainly worthy of normal human social interactions.
4 And how would we know if we are treating them as hookers? Many of us like a gfe and it's pretty difficult to do both at the same time.
5 Amjeck, I'm sure you're a real gent with the ladies, and you just write these things to wind me up, but you can actually be more than 'not mean'... You can have a fun friendly affectionate pleasant relaxed exciting relationship, without ever losing sight of the fact that at the end of the day she wouldn't be there if you didn't have something rather special in your trouser pocket (ie your wallet).
but.. but mouse... you mean that all the poo-ying want is NGERN??
Well now, all you've done is made me cry... :( :)
I'll head back to Pattaya next month after a couple of years off. Though I heard a lot of good stories about the bars at Soi 6 for an "in-between-session" in the afternoon I plan go there to take a deeper look.
Can someone recommend a bar at Soi 6 where you have a high chance to find naughty girls that provide anal sex as well?
Quite a few of the girls do. Not uncommon to hear "fuck my ass" as you stroll down the Soi from the girls.
Not uncommon to hear "fuck my ass" as you stroll down the Soi from the girls.
Shame these girls are so shy and demure. I would much prefer if they wouldn't sugar coat it.
;)
Uncle Volodya
07-15-10, 10:21
They see it as a buisness, and themsevles as entrepreneurs.
Picked up an older gal (33) in the Therma one time, built like a brick sh. Thought it interesting that she called her 14 year old daughter to tell her she got a customer and, as a result, will be home in the morning. She then told me her daughter was thrilled that "momy got a customer tonight." Told me a lot about the mindset.
Yes it tells you a to about the mindset: that they are unencumbered by the puritanical BS we tote around with us.
And its hypocritical as all hell to go with these girls and then talk about them as being sluts or look down at them in any way.
God bless them. I have much more respect for them than for girls in the West who get dolled up and then go to clubs just to see who can shoot down more guys.
Mealticket
07-15-10, 10:34
Quite a few of the girls do. Not uncommon to hear "fuck my ass" as you stroll down the Soi from the girls.You sure that was a girl calling your way?
And its hypocritical as all hell to go with these girls and then talk about them as being sluts or look down at them in any way.No it's not! They suck and fuck for a living. They fuck any guy that has money.They fuck thai guys for free bareback and foster the transmission of stds. They talk shit behind your back first chance they get and would rob you or cheat you if they get the opportunity.
You hold these girls high on a pedestal? The truth is ugly and only gets uglier the longer you play in the gutter.
Have a look at some of the faces of the girls who've been working longer than 4 months or so. Their soul has disappeared, they hate their lives, themselves and guess what? They hate you too.
I'll give you a break because I think you just got your nut off and are writing in post coital bliss.
If you're mongering just for the sex, you'll win every time. If you're after something more, it's best to find a new game.
No it's not! They suck and fuck for a living...The truth is ugly and only gets uglier the longer you play in the gutter.
They suck and fuck for a living ...
You suck and fuck for a hobby ...
So, what's the difference?
Do you regard yourself as a resident of the gutter?
They suck and fuck for a living ...
You suck and fuck for a hobby ...
So, what's the difference?
Do you regard yourself as a resident of the gutter?
They fuck ANYBODY for money. I don't (thank God).
I'm a visitor of the gutter, but I don't glorify it!
The gutter is a fun place to play. Remember when you were a kid and you played in the gutter. You had fun. It was dirty, exciting, risky, and adventurous. Same thing it Pattaya, but lets not forget that it is a gutter.
Have a look at some of the faces of the girls who've been working longer than 4 months or so. Their soul has disappeared, they hate their lives, themselves and guess what? They hate you too.
If you're mongering just for the sex, you'll win every time. If you're after something more, it's best to find a new game.I don't know who you are but I think you are talking about your self.
You look down on the girls you give money to and on yourself for fucking them. They might hate you but they certainly don't hate themself.
Who do you think you are?
You might be religously challenged.
Get out of Pattaya. Go home.
You are sick. Get help. Really.
No it's not! They suck and fuck for a living. They fuck any guy that has money.They fuck thai guys for free bareback and foster the transmission of stds. They talk shit behind your back first chance they get and would rob you or cheat you if they get the opportunity...
What you wrote might be true for certain local P4P girls, but fortunately, it's not true for all of them. I know at least a few working girls that are relatively honest (actually, according to my own experience, most of them are, but maybe am I lucky and select only the "good" ones?). I mean, those girls wouldn't rob you nor steal you anything, at least directly. They might try to get money from you for dubious pretexts and by telling you more or less blatant lies, but it's not exactly a robbery then.
Many working girls are fervent Buddhists and they respect at least certain moral principles. Sure, a punter should not believe everything that a working girl says. Yes, almost 100% of the local hookers will cheat on you if you can not live with them on a daily basis, and especially while you are away in another country, even if you sponsor them (sponsoring a P4P girl does not guarantee anything and certainly not her faithfulness).
But if you are reasonably (and you don't need to be overly) careful and not too dumb, and if you act decently yourself, you may discover several pleasant, charming and trustworthy women, even among the local prostitutes. You should not look these girls through pink glasses, but it's not necessary to always use dark glasses either.
What you wrote might be true for certain local P4P girls, but fortunately, it's not true for all of them. I know at least a few working girls that are relatively honest (actually, according to my own experience, most of them are, but maybe am I lucky and select only the "good" ones?). I mean, those girls wouldn't rob you nor steal you anything, at least directly. They might try to get money from you for dubious pretexts and by telling you more or less blatant lies, but it's not exactly a robbery then.
Many working girls are fervent Buddhists and they respect at least certain moral principles. Sure, a punter should not believe everything that a working girl says. Yes, almost 100% of the local hookers will cheat on you if you can not live with them on a daily basis, and especially while you are away in another country, even if you sponsor them (sponsoring a P4P girl does not guarantee anything and certainly not her faithfulness).
But if you are reasonably (and you don't need to be overly) careful and not too dumb, and if you act decently yourself, you may discover several pleasant, charming and trustworthy women, even among the local prostitutes. You should not look these girls through pink glasses, but it's not necessary to always use dark glasses either.
I agree with you 100%! I have found some "good ones" as well. I would also add that I have found if you treat the girls decently and with some respect, and I don't mean throwing money at them, it can pay dividends back at the room.
What you wrote might be true for certain local P4P girls, but fortunately, it's not true for all of them.
We're talking on the Pattaya forum, so views are about Pattaya girls mostly.
but.. but mouse... you mean that all the poo-ying want is NGERN??Sorry, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. :( Maybe a typo? Maybe a secret language? Maybe an acronym? Maybe just bollocks? :)
I agree with you 100%! I have found some "good ones" as well. I would also add that I have found if you treat the girls decently and with some respect, and I don't mean throwing money at them, it can pay dividends back at the room.
I'm not advocating treating the girls like crap, but to put them on a pedestal is ridiculous. Better to keep your guard up and remain a little skeptical.
It is a business relationship. You can have fun when you conduct business too.
Respect is earned. If she earns it, she gets it. If not, then she doesn't. But she is the one who has to concede first, because I am the one with the money. No special treatment until she earns it. No favors until she earns it. Rewards for good service/behavior etc.
At the end of the day, if she sold her body for money that makes her a sex worker. She gets labeled as a hooker and is treated as such (business relationship)
On the flip side: When the girls give it up for free (p4p or non p4p girl), the relationship is totally different.
Amjeck, shame on you. These girls are human beings with feelings and famililes. Not all of them are as you say. Many girls hook to take care of their family. What's wrong with you? Please don't be so jaded and hypocritical. Kindness begets kindness.
My thai girlfriend's family is in need of a loan. Can you assist please?
We're talking on the Pattaya forum, so views are about Pattaya girls mostly.
While I am nowadays more often in Northeastern Thailand, I've been frequently in Pattaya (and also in other parts of the Land of Smiles) since 1999. IMHO, my remarks are valid there too.
I must add that I've always favored "encounters" with freelancers and maybe those girls are probably less often of the "mercenary" type than go-go and bar girls?
Uncle Volodya
07-15-10, 15:47
If you're mongering just for the sex, you'll win every time. If you're after something more, it's best to find a new game.
Anyone here looking for a wife or GF has serious issues.
You have to appreciate this place for what it is.
Hihg on a pedestal? Not really. Just treating them as human beings who are providing a good service and deserve consideration.
I also avoid the ones that look too skanky anyway.
Sorry, but I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. :( Maybe a typo? Maybe a secret language? Maybe an acronym? Maybe just bollocks? :)
"ngern" (Dinghy's transliteration) = เงิน = money
Repeat this mantra everyday:
Thai girls are only good for fucking! Take em to your room , fuck em, then kick em out. Repeat cycle!
My words appear harsh sometimes.A huge talent for understatement... :)
"ngern" (Dinghy's transliteration) = เงิน = moneyThanks. I'll stick to English though.
A huge talent for understatement... :)
It's all shop talk!
It's all shop talk!Ha ha! You shop at different places to me then!
Ha ha! You shop at different places to me then!
No, I saw you on soi 6 the other day! He he.
I'm not advocating treating the girls like crap, but to put them on a pedestal is ridiculous. Better to keep your guard up and remain a little skeptical.
It is a business relationship. You can have fun when you conduct business too.
Respect is earned. If she earns it, she gets it. If not, then she doesn't. But she is the one who has to concede first, because I am the one with the money. No special treatment until she earns it. No favors until she earns it. Rewards for good service/behavior etc.
At the end of the day, if she sold her body for money that makes her a sex worker. She gets labeled as a hooker and is treated as such (business relationship)
On the flip side: When the girls give it up for free (p4p or non p4p girl), the relationship is totally different.
I am quite skeptical and I do not put them on a pedestal by any means. Regarding respect, I am talking about the basic respect that you afford to a person you have just met. I agree that greater respect must be earned (or lost), and while some guys put the girl on a pedestal, there are others who treat them like crap. To be clear Amjeck, I am in no way accusing you personally of treating the girls like crap.
Your a poet, and you don't know it, your feet are longfello.
No it's not! They suck and fuck for a living. They fuck any guy that has money.They fuck thai guys for free bareback and foster the transmission of stds. They talk shit behind your back first chance they get and would rob you or cheat you if they get the opportunity.
You hold these girls high on a pedestal? The truth is ugly and only gets uglier the longer you play in the gutter.
Have a look at some of the faces of the girls who've been working longer than 4 months or so. Their soul has disappeared, they hate their lives, themselves and guess what? They hate you too.
I'll give you a break because I think you just got your nut off and are writing in post coital bliss.
If you're mongering just for the sex, you'll win every time. If you're after something more, it's best to find a new game.
Uncle Volodya
07-15-10, 17:29
Spent the afternoon in DD and thought I'd report as there isn't too much info here.
I took jar and Boo. My experience was mixed:
On the negative side: he girls looked nowhere near as good as in their pics. Jar has some very saggy banana tiitties and Boo is tatted up with some big bruises on her but. A bit skanky, but I guess they will have to do. There is something about Jar that is still very cute in a schoolgirl kind of way.
Also their act can be a bit contrived at times. It can feel like they are going through th emotions. A lot of spitting, cleaning and wiping in between change of positions, kissing, BJ. It can throw you off. But considering what they are doing for a living it is probably a good idea for everyone involved. They also spend way too much time in the shower between shots dilly dallying.
Rooms are tiny and dingy. Showers also suck. May be worth it to do the outcall service instead of taking their room. But the mirrors they have are good for the visuals, though. and this is all about creating a Porno Experience.
On the positive side they are real pros (especially Jar) and up for anything. this is some real PSE stuff! I have never had a more freaky session anywhere. I mean, this is some wild stuff. Highlight of the afternoon was me and Boo DPing Jar. Boo using a strap on and pumping as hard as I did. Shoolgirl Jar took it like a champ moaning the whole time. Hot stuff! The girls did work hard to make me cum twice, and were straight up willing with the CIM. Jar's BJ skills are also fantastic. I couldn't walk away without tipping them 160 each.
All in all I am definitely glad I went. G\It was a great experience. I will take the image from the overhead mirror of us DPing Jar to the grave. But I am not sure I would repeat. This may have been something I should have done at the beginning of the trip, before I got spoiled with the quality of the girls and by the GFE I have been getting from these girls -- though nothing nearly as wild as this afternoon's romp.
Also it may be a good idea to forgo sex the night before. I had two goes this morning with the lady from the night before and was maybe not at the height of horniness. We did manage to stay busy the whole time I was at DD. But I just wasn't as into it as I probably would have been if I saved a bit more energy.
I'm recovering now and trying to work up the strength to hit the Discos and try and find another "freebie" or freelancer.
Stay horny my friends,
Uncle V
I took jar and Boo. My experience was mixedHad some fun with Boo several months ago too... in my (of course humble)) opinion, she looks better than on the pics on the DD site... the 2nd was a girl that for some reason i can't find on the website, but god she was wild! all in all a damn fu**ing enjoyable session, they know what they are doing! just a hardcore porn style BBJ from two hot girls is something memorable!
I couldn't walk away without tipping them 160 each.LOL how did you come up with that weird figure? Don't say they have 100 and 20 baht banknotes in Thailand.
Uncle Volodya
07-15-10, 22:20
Had some fun with Boo several months ago too... in my (of course humble)) opinion, she looks better than on the pics on the DD site... the 2nd was a girl that for some reason i can't find on the website, but god she was wild! all in all a damn fu**ing enjoyable session, they know what they are doing! just a hardcore porn style BBJ from two hot girls is something memorable!
LOL how did you come up with that weird figure? Don't say they have 100 and 20 baht banknotes in Thailand.
I gave them 4Gs and told them to keep change as tip to girls.
My idea of a great report, i.e., the names, the place, description of their bodies, services provided, etc.
Thank you.
Spent the afternoon in DD and thought I'd report as there isn't too much info here.
I took jar and Boo. My experience was mixed:
On the negative side: he girls looked nowhere near as good as in their pics. Jar has some very saggy banana tiitties and Boo is tatted up with some big bruises on her but. A bit skanky, but I guess they will have to do. There is something about Jar that is still very cute in a schoolgirl kind of way.
Also their act can be a bit contrived at times. It can feel like they are going through th emotions. A lot of spitting, cleaning and wiping in between change of positions, kissing, BJ. It can throw you off. But considering what they are doing for a living it is probably a good idea for everyone involved. They also spend way too much time in the shower between shots dilly dallying.
Rooms are tiny and dingy. Showers also suck. May be worth it to do the outcall service instead of taking their room. But the mirrors they have are good for the visuals, though. and this is all about creating a Porno Experience.
On the positive side they are real pros (especially Jar) and up for anything. this is some real PSE stuff! I have never had a more freaky session anywhere. I mean, this is some wild stuff. Highlight of the afternoon was me and Boo DPing Jar. Boo using a strap on and pumping as hard as I did. Shoolgirl Jar took it like a champ moaning the whole time. Hot stuff! The girls did work hard to make me cum twice, and were straight up willing with the CIM. Jar's BJ skills are also fantastic. I couldn't walk away without tipping them 160 each.
All in all I am definitely glad I went. G\It was a great experience. I will take the image from the overhead mirror of us DPing Jar to the grave. But I am not sure I would repeat. This may have been something I should have done at the beginning of the trip, before I got spoiled with the quality of the girls and by the GFE I have been getting from these girls -- though nothing nearly as wild as this afternoon's romp.
Also it may be a good idea to forgo sex the night before. I had two goes this morning with the lady from the night before and was maybe not at the height of horniness. We did manage to stay busy the whole time I was at DD. But I just wasn't as into it as I probably would have been if I saved a bit more energy.
I'm recovering now and trying to work up the strength to hit the Discos and try and find another "freebie" or freelancer.
Stay horny my friends,
Uncle V
They actually think they are worthy of a normal relationship...I advise to treat all of them as hookers...The truth is ugly and only gets uglier the longer you play in the gutter...Their soul has disappeared, they hate their lives, themselves and guess what? They hate you too.I think this says more about Amjeck than it does about working girls in Thailand. Let's refer to this as The Amjeck Doctrine.
Why do I rise to the bait? Because you see the intellectual laziness in this.
As I groaned under the weight of the bar, doing my extra set of squats in the gym last night, I realized I was wrong. When I first read Amjeck's statements, and Mouse's response, and all that followed, I had thought Amjeck was a hypocrite. On the one hand, he makes grand claims about getting your head out of your ass and seeing the girls for what they are (The Amjeck Doctrine, quotes above). But at the same time, the statements he makes are clearly not in fact true. That is, this Amjeck Doctrine is so obviously provocative and incendiary that he can't possibly believe it. And any cursory analysis of the situation by even a half-wit would reveal that the view espoused by Amjeck is fantasy. (To be clear: I am not calling Amjeck a half-wit, please read on). Hence my initial conclusion that he is a hypocrite: he claims to be the purveyor of truth, whereas he in fact is the ultimate consumer of fantasy. The only difference is that his fantasy is a sick, cruel version that few of us would agree with.
But then I realized I am giving Amjeck (and his ilk) too much credit. The Amjeck Doctrine is a simple one: the girls are all prostitutes, and therefore should be considered as lesser human beings - as some category he calls 'hookers'. Accepting such a view is easy: it's like sitting on the couch eating potato chips. It is far easier to think of them all as prostitutes, not worthy of any emotion, not worthy of a second thought, noth worthy of distinction. It is *easier* to do this than to see who they really are. But this is sheer self-delusion. And it is delusion of a particular kind, one that is very common amongst us humans. Consider two American statesmen:
Joseph McCarthy: "Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between communistic atheism and Christianity."
George Bush: "See, we love, we love freedom. That's what they didn't understand. They hate things; we love things. They act out of hatred; we don't seek revenge, we seek justice out of love."
A simplified view of the world: us versus them. We are good; they are putrid prostitutes (or evil-doers, or communists, or what have you). It's easy for the average person to understand since it does not require that you exert any effort in talking with them, or treating them fairly, or trying to see the world from their perspective. And it makes treating them badly a morally acceptable thing to do. We can bomb innocent Muslims, but that's ok since they are all cave-dwelling evil-doers. And we can treat the girls poorly, but that's ok because they're all nothing more than lowly prostitutes. Mmm, those potato chips are good...
This all harkens back to a discussion started by Angus Magee a few weeks ago: fantasy versus reality. My fantasty when I am with a working girl (in Thailand or elsewhere) is that I am connecting with her, that we are going to share something special. I know this is fanstasy, but damn it, that's what I want. Mouse refers to this as the GFE, and he is right in pointing out that such an experience is diametrically opposed to the view that these girls are subhuman. But that's the thing: the Amjeck Doctrine is equally a fantasy, and it is the opposite one from mine.
Why would Amjeck engage in such fantasy? I mean, it is entirely his prerogative, but it has puzzled me for the last few months. In thinking about this, I recognized a recurring theme in his posts: Us versus Them. It is WAR! 'You win everytime'. Win what? War with whom? Why is this a battle? Not sure where I am going here, but I find it interesting.
So...if you are such a person, and if you want to insert your penis into as many orifices as you can with the minimal monetary expenditure possible and no lasting attachment to the girls who possess said orifices, and then at the end you can say that you WON...then I would recommend fully embracing the Amjeck Doctrine. You should keep this attitude if you want to treat the girls poorly and with impunity. That's the only way your conscience will allow it.There is nothing wrong with it once you recognize it as the fantasy that it is. His fantasy is no worse than mine - you just need to know who you are and which fantasy suits you best. As just about every Thai lady has ever said to me at some point or the other: Up to you.
But if his view is fantasy, and my view is fantasy, then what is reality? Angus Magee has some interesting thoughts on this, and I can't come close to his wisdom, but I'd like to make just one point. I would say that the reality is that nothing in the natural world is as simple as that. If you honestly want to *understand* the situation (and you may not in fact want this), such black-white dichotomies need to go. And that requires you getting your fat ass off the couch and hitting the gym (in the metaphorical sense). Not all of us can or even want to do this, and so there will always be lazy couch potatoes, no matter what any of us say or do.
Finally, although this post is written as if it is all about Amjeck, it isn't really. It's pretty clear that there is a spectrum of mongers. Amjeck happens to represent one end of that spectrum, and he is courageous for putting his ideas out there. I don't think there is anything wrong with that end of the spectrum, provided you don't end up hurting the working girls in any way that is not part of the norm. I don't think I will ever visit that end of the spectrum, but I am sure there are some of you who will.
This was pretty self righteous, I know - bring on the flames. Mouse, you see, you're not the only one who can be baited.
I think this says more about Amjeck than it does about working girls in Thailand. Let's refer to this as The Amjeck Doctrine........
This was pretty self righteous, I know - bring on the flames. Mouse, you see, you're not the only one who can be baited.
clap clap (and that's not with irony)
...But if his view is fantasy, and my view is fantasy, then what is reality?...
Geez, Kumbu ... you think too much ... it makes me dizzy.
The reality is that Amjeck was probably taught as a small child that sex is dirty and evil, therefore, in his mind, anyone who would provide sex to strangers for a living -- you know, for money -- must also be dirty, evil, and unworthy of the basic respect due to other human beings.
Fantasy has nothing to do with it. It's about ATTITUDE!
A few days ago I was lying flat on my back while 2 young ladies were probing my mouth with their fingers and touching my face all over for at least half an hour. They did it purely for the MONEY.
It was a female dentist and her assistant. They were cleaning my teeth. Of course, since they were not providing me with sex, I'm sure that Amjeck would probably not look down his nose at them, (one never knows, however; he might be disgusted with ALL women), but aside from the sex, I can't discern any difference between those ladies and the ones I invite to my room to take care of Daddy.
I feel sorry for my friend, Amjeck. I can't imagine how he can take much pleasure in the ladies with that kind of attitude.
Our hobby is about a whole hell of a lot more than just "playing in the gutter."
I think this says more about Amjeck than it does about working girls in Thailand. Let's refer to this as The Amjeck Doctrine.
...Because you see the intellectual laziness in this.Kumbu, thank you...
Once again you bring reasoning and entertainment value to this forum.
Uncle Volodya
07-16-10, 03:21
My idea of a great report, i.e., the names, the place, description of their bodies, services provided, etc.
Thank you.
Your WEEEEEELLLLLCOOOOOME!
LOL
sorry couldn't resist.
Uncle Volodya
07-16-10, 04:09
So I was able to summon up some energy to hit up the Discos latenight after an afternoon at DD.
Hit Marine at 1Am and it was totally dead. Followed up with Lucifer. Spotted a very hot chick and she returned my glances wth a smile. We danced for a bti and I bought her some drinks. But this was going nowhere. We grinded a little and she grabbed my dick at one point. But the problem was that it was so damn hot I was sweatng liek in a sauna. (I wish those bitches woudl get sme AC!!!) I think this made her lose interest. I think she was trying to tell me this but it was so damn loud that I couldn't hear a word she said. I finally bid her a polite farewell. It was alread past 2Am and this was going nowher anyway.
Went to marine. Now packed. But I was a bit too drunk to deal with this place and its full potential. Met a very cute girl at the bar. Started grinding on her but she was non committal to my proposal that we go to my place. got some looks and hellos form some othe rgirls. Bt I really didn't ahve the energy to explore all possibilities here. I guess I wasted what little I had in the tank left on Girl #1 at Lucipher.
Finally said fuck it and decided to make a try Walking Street. The place was emptying out and the guys said I only had 1/2 hr left. Spotted a nice slim girl at the bar alons. Made my approach ans we started to chat and dance a bit. Slim, with nice long dark hair. not the hottest chick, but good enogh at this late hour. Turned on the charm (or was she just very drunk)?? A few hugs and stolen kisses and we were off to my place.
At this point I was pretty wiped out. I really just wanted somone in my bed to cuddle and to have loving in the morning. But she was not having it. She sucked me to a good erection and then rode me until we came together. She did not let me stop and would not take no for an answer. She had to get up at 9 to go to work, so we had another early round and she came again. I could tell she was really into it as the pussy was very wet. I gave her 1000BHT as a present, but I am sure she would have been happy with just cabfare.
Final thoughts: the disco scene is alive and well. But it really takes a lot of effort. The clubs are loud, sometimes hot an go very late. Unless this is what you like to do in life then I'm not sure its worth it. There is a school of thought that it is easier to find a GFE, but I am able to find it with most of the girls anyway. just make sure to treat them nice and develop a rapport before hand. After traveling thousands of miles my time is too precious to fuss about with this. Leave it to the younger guys who still have not figured this out and who are happy chasing windmills. I'd rather be home at 2AM getting busy. I'm on vacation for Fuck's sake!
A nice compromise though, is Walking Street. Like a disco in many ways. But good AC and less expensive (beers 85BHT). The girls also are down to go home earlier. Most times they won't even mention money.
Tonight's my last night here and I will spend it with my favorite Bargirl. Will pay the BF and everything. In this game you always end up paying anyway. I'd rather give my money to the girl directly then pay for overpriced drinks at these places.
Stay horny my friends,
Uncle V
Hey Uncle V,
just wanted to say that I'm enjoying your reports mightily. They are lucid, interesting and have a refreshing honesty about them. Many thanks, you handsummm mannnn.
I must agree with your assessment of the disco scene. It takes a lot of effort and may not be for everyone, nor for every night. But it might be worth it once in a while. The hunt to be had in the disco is somewhat different from other hunts. The final outcome is often less than stellar (although you seem to have done well), but the hunt itself is often pretty fun.
And finally:
I really just wanted somone in my bed to cuddle and to have loving in the morning...Stay horny my friendsSounds like maybe you need to take a dose of your own advice :) It's great to see a fellow monger suffering from fuck fatigue. I thought it was just me.
Uncle Volodya
07-16-10, 04:28
jt's great to see a fellow monger suffering from fuck fatigue. I thought it was just me.
Yes indeed!
Time perspective is everything. I am just here on so short a time and trying to squeeze all these experiences in. If I lived here I probably would make the discos part of my regular routine, maybe once or twice a month.
I mean, WTF?? Going out to pick up at the discos after a debauched afternoon at DD (not to mention two morning romps with the girl form the night before).
I must be losing my damn mind!!! LOL. I thought you were supposed to get wiser with age.
Uncle Volodya
07-16-10, 04:32
Our hobby is about a whole hell of a lot more than just "playing in the gutter."
I agree. But it's not exactly rocket science either. LOL
Mr. Ambjack needs to lighten up a bit. I think he would enjoy his experiences with the ladies a lot more.
LittleBigMan
07-16-10, 07:29
Uncle V,
" Hit Marine at 1am, left going nowhere " " Went to marine now it was packed " ??????
I have much to say about Amjeck comments but I'm not going to write a book on it trying to defend or speak for him. Let me just say that there are many many that think like him and I have heard them before on this board. I give him Kudos for expressing his opinion I just don't consider it a Doctrine no more than it is a Doctrice for those who disagree with him.
Lets not allow the tone of his opinions to sway us from the message and that message is just a generalization as to what p4p is about here in Thailand from Amjeck. It's like a bunch of guys sitting around talking shit about women in general that they wear the pants and they are the boss, she better do this or that... but when the women approaches or they get home all is quiet on the Western front. We purr like a kitten...
Up to now it has all been a opinion but I haven't read anything from him that suggest that he is violent towards them but I do read that he like many including me want to get the best bang with his buck no matter how we feel about them?
Last, what is wrong with being in the gutter? after a while like most things you get use to it and the smell. Don't we all come out of the airport take a deep breath and think and say! it's nice to be back?
LBM
El Frances
07-16-10, 09:26
Places
Walking street: a good place to start but gets empty around 2 am, and is "Lungs Friendly". Dance music
Lucifer: also a good place to start but lasts longer, not "Lungs Friendly", Hip Hop music
Candyshop: more a disco pub, have good band playing (the one with black guys), often not enough crowded, "Lungs Friendly" because it's open, hip hop
Marine: has an uncertain status, tends to get crowded only late in recent time
Insomnia: The place to go late, after 2/3 am, Dance/Techno music
Hollywood: mainly regular thai customers, not the best for mongering
To avoid:
Tonys: kitch, shit music, expensive
MiXX: good music (two rooms with different music), nice display, only if you want to dance with mainly males from middle-east and russian couples
Girls
Most girls don't ask money before going to your place if they feel you are experienced and know the "rules of the game" (or they may not want to look like prostitutes). IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY DON'T EXPECT YOU TO GIVE THEM MONEY! The 1000 bath bill rules for LT there
Girls are often no so pretty (or have been pretty some years ago), but more fun, more friendly, often really enjoy fucking, and don't bother you with "I'm tired, I want to go to your place now"
When it's late (i.e. in Insomnia) there are all kind of girls, including girls who have finished working in beer bars and sometimes Gogos
Uncle Volodya
07-16-10, 18:24
Places
Walking street: a good place to start but gets empty around 2 am, and is "Lungs Friendly". Dance music
Lucifer: also a good place to start but lasts longer, not "Lungs Friendly", Hip Hop music
Candyshop: more a disco pub, have good band playing (the one with black guys), often not enough crowded, "Lungs Friendly" because it's open, hip hop
Marine: has an uncertain status, tends to get crowded only late in recent time
Insomnia: The place to go late, after 2/3 am, Dance/Techno music
Hollywood: mainly regular thai customers, not the best for mongering
To avoid:
Tonys: kitch, shit music, expensive
MiXX: good music (two rooms with different music), nice display, only if you want to dance with mainly males from middle-east and russian couples
When it's late (i.e. in Insomnia) there are all kind of girls, including girls who have finished working in beer bars and sometimes Gogos
Thank you so much for this comprehensive listing. Unfortunately I am gone tommorrow. i wish I had this info sooner as I would have really liked ot have checked out the scene at Insomnia, if only just to see it.
Final thoughts (I promise) on disco scene. It is supposed to be a better value and to promise a truer GFE. Btu take my experience tonight, A repeat with a BG I really connected with. We had a lovely dinner at MK hot pot restaurants. She served me with that feminine deference you only get in Asia. The whole time I am proud as a peacock as the hottest girl in the entire Village Center mall is with me and attending my needs. All for 750 BHT for dinner and a 600 BHT barfine. I blew nearly 3 times that on last night's misadventures on the disco scene.
I think in the end it is best to test both scenes. There are no steady rules of thumb. No step a,b,c in an instruction manual. Like in all great sports one has to at times leave things to fate and let nature take its course.
Stay horny my friends,
Uncle V.
Angus Magee
07-16-10, 22:02
While I do not really want to fan any flames I was mulling over this discussion while at work tonight. Now I have not been following it too closely but what did occur to me was that if who*ing oneself means doing what is distasteful, only for the money, then I am probably one of the biggest who*es I know right now. I metaphorically bend over every night at work as the man who pays my salary gives it t me up the ass. And as it happens I think-for the money.
Now I do not begin to believe that every working girl has this attitude but I have to ask, when someone denigrates wgs in general-what are you doing just for the money?
I have my own reasons for doing this right now. But seeing it in this perspective is certainly humbling and builds my respect for wgs even though many I meet also do seem to enjoy the work.
But if his view is fantasy, and my view is fantasy, then what is reality? Angus Magee has some interesting thoughts on this, and I can't come close to his wisdom, but I'd like to make just one point. I would say that the reality is that nothing in the natural world is as simple as that. If you honestly want to *understand* the situation (and you may not in fact want this), such black-white dichotomies need to go. And that requires you getting your fat ass off the couch and hitting the gym (in the metaphorical sense). Not all of us can or even want to do this, and so there will always be lazy couch potatoes, no matter what any of us say or do.
Well in fact Kumbu, far from being wise, I am just a guy who has always had rather a tenuous grasp of consensus reality. That is I have often been just this side of crazy, and probably ventured over the boundary once or twice in my days. I have always been interested in different states of consciousness, from meditative consciousness to full blow psychedelia-and every thing in between. I still do not know what "it" is. But I do know that experience is very much a matter of perception. When a pick pocket sees a Saint, all he sees are the pockets. So the guy who shows up in BKK with thieving who*es in mind, will run into thieving who*res. It really is that simple. Now a guy like you might also run into a thieving who*e, but you will experience the girl differently and will probably take something very different away from the encounter.
That's all.
AM
Mr Enternational
07-16-10, 22:23
Final thoughts: the disco scene is alive and well. But it really takes a lot of effort. The clubs are loud, sometimes hot an go very late. Unless this is what you like to do in life then I'm not sure its worth it. There is a school of thought that it is easier to find a GFE, but I am able to find it with most of the girls anyway. just make sure to treat them nice and develop a rapport before hand. After traveling thousands of miles my time is too precious to fuss about with this. Leave it to the younger guys who still have not figured this out and who are happy chasing windmills. I'd rather be home at 2AM getting busy. I'm on vacation for Fuck's sake!I like the disco scene. I'm with you though. No need to stay there all night. I like to get there early, find something nice, and get the hell out of there. Especially being a Cheap Charlie. I would rather leave with her about 1230 and have a nice long night for my 1000 baht than stay in a disco until 4am buying all kinds of drinks and still have to pay the same 1000 baht for a short night that I am too tired to enjoy.
I said it before and I'll say it AGAIN (for those who either ignore the obvious or refuse to SEE IT) - the girls in the trade are there for ONE THING - the money. No matter what reason family support being the usual one (like the Thai "joke" about the man plows fields but the only field the girl plows is the one between her legs).
Some ladies actually LIKE the JOB portion and that is the essence of WHY they change from openly exposing jim-cooter (jim is Thai for cooter by the way) and all that goes with it to shy and reserved when "alone" - one-on-one is more personal than the dancing/exhibition JOB and they have to surrender a certain portion of "affection" to attain "payment" (otherwise they get a "starfish rating" and noted by name/location/badge number HERE).
Now admittedly I PREFER a bit of attention to a clock-watching "hurry up...you finish now?" and that attention seems to be more "available" from the FL community.
So let's be realistic
Guys,
What is the best and most GF 5* Hotel in Pattaya? How far are the 5* resorts from night action? Is there a transport problem, especially at night?
GoodEnough
07-17-10, 01:18
What a great discussion! Just to add my own two baht's worth of commentary, I'm sure that Angus and Kumbu are correct: how we interpret "reality" will determine what we take (and give) to any situation, since reality is largely a matter of projection. The most fundamental precept of Buddhism, which, at some level must be critical for most Thais, is respect and compassion for others. To the extent that we exhibit this trait determines to a large extent, how Thais will react to us. A derisive, superior attitude will elicit a generally cold, calculating response, where as the converse will also hold true: the extent to which we can be gracious, respectful and engaged will elicit more warmth and kindness.
My observations, both in Thailand and in the Philippines where I live, suggests that the guys who treat women as sperm repositories tend to treat most people--not only WGs--disdainfully, which is why the locals dismiss them and their arrogance as unworthy of any respect.
GE
Angus Magee
07-17-10, 09:17
I said it before and I'll say it AGAIN (for those who either ignore the obvious or refuse to SEE IT) - the girls in the trade are there for ONE THING - the money. No matter what reason family support being the usual one (like the Thai "joke" about the man plows fields but the only field the girl plows is the one between her legs).
I never quite get the point when someone points out that pros are doing it for the money. Of course they are. Isn't anyone doing any job for pay doing it for the money. That is why we work isn't it? Money is just energy in a particular form we have all decided is convenient for barter. If you have a lot in the bank it just menas that you have a lot of that particular form of energy in reserve and can, if you wish, trade it for another form of much prized energy-divine feminine energy. More commonly known as pussy.
My point is that it is all illusion (not just the sex trade) and one needs only decide how much of the illusion one wants to see. I personally would not go to a movie and then spend the whole time complaining that Indiana Jones is actually a 50 something actor and his daring stunts are actually being performed by 20 something professional stunt men. I enjoy the movie for which I have paid good money. If Indiana falls in love, loses the girl then recues her from the Nazis and saves the world from Satan-I am happy for him and for myself to the extent that I identify with the hero. Then I leave the theater feeling satisfied for a couple of hours.
So let's be realistic
Please-if I wanted realism I would walk in front of a bus. And even then I suspect I would just find another level of illusion. It is a fun house, a house of mirrors in which we live. Find a reflection that is prettier than you are and enjoy.
I think this says more about Amjeck than it does about working girls in Thailand. Let's refer to this as The Amjeck Doctrine.
I like your post, and your coined term "amjeck doctrine" is funny( I didn't include all of the post in the quotes, however)
My views say a lot about the the working girls not just about me. They may be radical and sometimes difficult to accept but I've been mongering in Thailand for years. How long have you?
I always try to beat the point in hard so that fellow mongers don't stray into the "Thai void/scam/trap" that I've seen so many people fall into.
Yes, you can have a lot of fun and have emotional exchanges with p4p girls, and many people do. I always advise to stay emotionally detached (love and deep feelings - not fun and excitment) and to treat it as a business transaction, because in the end that is how the girls view it (This isn't the Philippines). Consider it like a mental condom.
What you do and how you treat the girls is entirely up to you. But please when/if you start "losing" don't come running to the board crying to us. I think you've done that once already, Kumbu :)
Guys,
What is the best and most GF 5* Hotel in Pattaya? How far are the 5* resorts from night action? Is there a transport problem, especially at night?
Many 4* and 5* hotels are not girl/guest friendly, even in Pattaya. Usually, they will charge a hefty joiner fee (typically amounting 500-1000 baht and sometimes more in the most luxurious places) for any guest that was not previously registered.
The following nice hotels and resorts were not charging any joiner fee the last time I've checked it (but it's better to send them an email and ask them the question to be sure before booking your room):
- Pattaya Marriot Resort & Spa: http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/pyxmc-pattaya-marriott-resort-and-spa/
- Tim Boutique Hotel: http://www.timboutiquehotel.com/
- Mantra Pura Resort: http://www.lkpattaya.com/index1.php?hotel=MantraPuraResort
- Sugar Hut: http://www.sugar-hut.com/
- Rabbit Resort: http://www.rabbitresort.com/
Most of the nicest resorts are not very near the action -- I would say about 10-15 minutes from the center of Pattaya city on average by road -- but transportation is usually not an issue even at night. Many luxury resorts have their own shuttle/transportation service (but it's often not free of charge).
But it's also relatively easy to find a regular songthaew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songthaew) that you may use as a "private taxi" for a specific route. You will have to pay more than for a regular ride then (often more than 100 baht each time then) especially since your resort would be located a bit away from the city center.
If you choose to stay in a remote resort, you should keep with you their business card / location map (preferably with instructions or names written in Thai) or at least the phone number of the resort when you go in town, for showing it to the "taxi" drivers when you want to come back to your room.
A few days ago I was lying flat on my back while 2 young ladies were probing my mouth with their fingers and touching my face all over for at least half an hour. They did it purely for the MONEY.
It was a female dentist and her assistant. They were cleaning my teeth. Of course, since they were not providing me with sex, I'm sure that Amjeck would probably not look down his nose at them, (one never knows, however; he might be disgusted with ALL women), but aside from the sex, I can't discern any difference between those ladies and the ones I invite to my room to take care of Daddy.
You obviously don't know much about Thai culture.
You obviously don't know much about Thai culture.
You're right about that.
I assume you refer to the fact that in Thai culture most Thai's look down their noses at hookers. That's no surprize to me. Most Americans are the same, and so are most of the rest in the world. The mainstream culture despises hookers.
I believe unfairly so. All the hookers I know seem to have the same faults, and in the same quantity as other people.
Those who have become hardened IMHO have become that way as a mental defense against punters with shitty attitudes about them and their profession.
... I assume you refer to the fact that in Thai culture most Thai's look down their noses at hookers. That's no surprize to me. Most Americans are the same, and so are most of the rest in the world. The mainstream culture despises hookers...
Hookers are less ostracized in Thailand than in most Western countries. A young woman would be ashamed if she was not able to help (financially) her parents and other members of her family. It does not matter much what she does and from where she gets her money as long as her relatives live a decent enough life thanks to her.
At least in the lesser privileged parts of the Thai society, the more money you have, the more respect you get. Of course, it's better if you have a regular (not P4P related) job, but you can be certain that a successful hooker who takes good care of her parents is more respected than a poor farm girl who cannot help financially her relatives much.
By the way, you've certainly noticed that in the Land of Smiles, people with a fair complexion are better considered than those whose skin is darker. It's not only for aesthetic reasons, but as it was the case in Europe in the past (not anymore nowadays), because the color of your skin is also a (relatively reliable) hint about your social status: if you are working every day under the hard sun (in a rice field, for instance), your skin will be dark and people may assume that you are poor. Most Thai girls want to have a whiter skin (hence the commercial success of whitening creams in this country), not only because they believe that they would be more beautiful, but also because people would pay them more respect as they won't immediately assume that a girl with a fair complexion is coming from a poor family of peasants.
LittleBigMan
07-17-10, 14:58
You obviously don't know much about Thai culture.
He does know a lot about the Thai culture that is why everytime I see him he has the look as if the cat just ate twitty bird. Always happy as if there isn't a worry in the world! I think the reason why he looks so happy and content for a Expat living in Pattaya is that he understands the Thai culture very well and makes sure he keeps a safe distant away.
Many have spoken of such a Farang walking or riding his motorbike down Jomtien looking always fresh and happy looking. Many refer to him as the " White Monk of Jomtien " Living high atop his Condo with a string of birds coming and going to visit him in his Temple.
LBM
I like the disco scene. I'm with you though. No need to stay there all night. I like to get there early, find something nice, and get the hell out of there. Especially being a Cheap Charlie. I would rather leave with her about 1230 and have a nice long night for my 1000 baht than stay in a disco until 4am buying all kinds of drinks and still have to pay the same 1000 baht for a short night that I am too tired to enjoy.
Well said, Grasshoppa!
Six weeks and counting down to my first Pattaya adventure!!
I like the discussion about reality and add the following:
Judgements like bad or good have nothing to do with reality. They are based on morals and rules which are created by religions, societies, governments, economic systems etc. When I see sombody driving his car on the right sight of the street (reality) this is correct in the USA but not in the LOS. When a woman walks naked through a village (reality) this is "bad" in our world but in a little jungle society this might be standard. There is a big variety of reasons for creating morals and rules.
The reality we are discussing is that we mongerers are in Pattaya and give money to a girl for having sex (might have many reasons) and the girl is in pattaya rendering sex services to us for money (might have many reasons). In reality we are on the same level, part of the same deal. If not, the deal is not possible. When sombody in this situation has to see himself superior to the other, this exactly defines himself (his morals, rules etc.) and says nothing, realy nothing, about the reality or about the other person.
Another question is whether we have a "good" or "bad" deal. Maybe the girl is in general a bad provider (can have many reasons) or the monger is not able to select a girl who really suits his expectations (can have many reasons). IMHO the best deals occur when they are based on pure reality. No lies about myself and no lies about the girl.
One further thing which complicates our deal is, that we mongerers not decide ourselves that we now need sex. Something in our body gives us the order and we are unhappy when we cannot satisfy the upcoming need. This influences our behavier and the way we wish to see our sex deal a lot. I am not twenty any more, let's say I am fifty up and I have periods when I need more sex and periods where I do not need it so much. I could not say that latter are less satisfying...
There would be a lot of other interesting points (what about needs, feelings, wishes, expectations etc.?) which had to be considered but ok, ok, I stop. I just wanted to say: Reality is neutral and it makes us not happier when we make bad what we buy.
Last I post a pic of a girl I met in Phuket. She had a business practice I would call "taking care of". I was 7 days with her and she showed me the restaurants, (gogo)bars and discos I like. When she saw that I like thai food she invited me when she cooked for her girl friends. I liked to see the whole island and she showed me every interesting point etc. and last but not least she provided the sex I like. Not a 10 (looks) but same level me (considering where she was born and which chances she had inher live may be she made it better than me). I paid her 2'000 per day. Some girls only know the way from there rooms to the bar and back.
He does know a lot about the Thai culture that is why everytime I see him he has the look as if the cat just ate twitty bird. Always happy as if there isn't a worry in the world! I think the reason why he looks so happy and content for a Expat living in Pattaya is that he understands the Thai culture very well and makes sure he keeps a safe distant away.
Many have spoken of such a Farang walking or riding his motorbike down Jomtien looking always fresh and happy looking. Many refer to him as the " White Monk of Jomtien " Living high atop his Condo with a string of birds coming and going to visit him in his Temple.
LBM
Why would you say he knows a lot about Thai culture, yet below in his post he says he doesn't? Not sure what you're point is.
Anyhow, I don't think we should clog this "Pattaya" section full of cultural talk.
THIS is a representation of reality. Too many wearing rose coloured glasses here.
http://www.pattayamail.com/882/pictures/Life%20in%20Fun%20City%20881.jpg
(it's a cartoon - Pattayamail has a new one every week and an archive of old ones a well)
Please-if I wanted realism I would walk in front of a bus. And even then I suspect I would just find another level of illusion.Hah! This is one for the ages! It gets my vote for quote of the year.
I always try to beat the point in hard so that fellow mongers don't stray into the "Thai void/scam/trap" that I've seen so many people fall into.I actually get this from your posts. You'll notice that I have never once suggested you stop with the hard rhetoric. I think it is incorrect, and have tried to explain why, but I still think your view serves an important purpose on this board. Your posts, I think, are intended to help other mongers, and that should be applauded. No matter how rough you might seem, I think you do communicate from the heart. You softie, Amjeck!
But please when/if you start "losing" don't come running to the board crying to us. I think you've done that once already, Kumbu I would say that I never lose. Nor do I win. I only experience. And what some might see as running to the board crying, I prefer to interpret as reporting my experiences. I'm not sure which post you interpret as me crying to the board - if you choose, they could all be described as a bit cry-babyish. I prefer to think of them as honest (I would say that, though, wouldn't I?). But you'll notice that along with the one post you interpret as me crying, I also reported on many, many other things which might be interpreted as me shouting from the top of the mountain like I am the hero of a Steven Spielberg movie. So unlike some members, I report the things that boost my ego and those that might damage my ego. Why worry about your ego on an anonymous board like this?
I think I shall continue to do that (report positives and negatives), in the hope that others will see what I experience and what the ultimate consequences of that are. You try to help fellow mongers by banging the Amjeck Doctrine into their heads (or any other doctrine, for that matter), and I will try to help fellow mongers (and myself, to be honest) by reporting on my experiences. That seems like an amicable compromise.
Now, if I could only find a way to get Little Kumbu back into the clutches of a Thai sweetie...
LittleBigMan
07-18-10, 03:50
Why would you say he knows a lot about Thai culture, yet below in his post he says he doesn't? Not sure what you're point is.
Anyhow, I don't think we should clog this "Pattaya" section full of cultural talk.
Amjeck,
I think its a little late to talk about clogging up this thread... He is just playing with words..and with you. The point is he knows enough of about Thai culture that he personally doesn't get too deeply involve that it ruins his paradise! Some people only have a one track mine and going down that track works for him.
LBM
Now, if I could only find a way to get Little Kumbu back into the clutches of a Thai sweetie...
It's addicting isn't it? Almost worse than drugs! Be smart and play your cards right and you shall have lots more thai sweeties in your life.
I think I shall continue to do that (report positives and negatives), in the hope that others will see what I experience and what the ultimate consequences of that are. You try to help fellow mongers by banging the Amjeck Doctrine into their heads (or any other doctrine, for that matter), and I will try to help fellow mongers (and myself, to be honest) by reporting on my experiences. That seems like an amicable compromise.
Yes, please do. I find your posts informative, imaginative, and just plain fun to read.
Slim
LittleBigMan
07-18-10, 12:57
Kumbu,
Whether things goes good or bad, whether you get burn or not, whether the Thai ladies gang up on you in the disco! you got two things many guys on this board don't!
1. You're a AssMan! Not sure if you said this " You are either born a AssMan or you're not "
2. You got the Kumbu move!
So in the future good or bad, get them in bed first use your move and they will melt like ice for you. Forget the silk shirt! With the move you can get them to do anything. Your can turn a roaring tigeress into a pussy cat.
LBM
Well said.
Amjeck,
I think its a little late to talk about clogging up this thread... He is just playing with words..and with you. The point is he knows enough of about Thai culture that he personally doesn't get too deeply involve that it ruins his paradise! Some people only have a one track mine and going down that track works for him.
LBM
Geez, Kumbu ... you think too much ... it makes me dizzy.
The reality is that Amjeck was probably taught as a small child that sex is dirty and evil, therefore, in his mind, anyone who would provide sex to strangers for a living -- you know, for money -- must also be dirty, evil, and unworthy of the basic respect due to other human beings.
Fantasy has nothing to do with it. It's about ATTITUDE!
A few days ago I was lying flat on my back while 2 young ladies were probing my mouth with their fingers and touching my face all over for at least half an hour. They did it purely for the MONEY.
It was a female dentist and her assistant. They were cleaning my teeth. Of course, since they were not providing me with sex, I'm sure that Amjeck would probably not look down his nose at them, (one never knows, however; he might be disgusted with ALL women), but aside from the sex, I can't discern any difference between those ladies and the ones I invite to my room to take care of Daddy.
I feel sorry for my friend, Amjeck. I can't imagine how he can take much pleasure in the ladies with that kind of attitude.
Our hobby is about a whole hell of a lot more than just "playing in the gutter."
Really!?!
Were you careful not to bring too much money with you so that they could not sneak money out of your pocket while you were distracted by dental work?
Probably not.
Did they try to clean only some of your teeth when you weren’t looking and try to get you out faster so they could do something else (boyfriend, sleep, shop, eat)!?!
Probably not.
Did you catch them lying –you handsome man, we like falang more that Thai, etc. (even little white lies)
Probably not.
Did they tell you how much you suddenly mean to them, asking you to stay in touch and saying they would love to get out of dentistry if only someone would take care of them when in fact they are planning to hit you up for money via western union!?!
Probably not.
When comparing some common traits of dentists/dental assistants and Thai hookers I see vast differences and if you don’t then either you are either just being argumentative or are somehow able operate in your own reality (which is fine if it works for you but your reality does not at all work for me.)
Are all hookers like this - no. But after time, USUALLY, the associated difficulties of hookering will beat down even the sweetest girl. Those who are not are the exceptions - and there certainly are exceptions. Perhaps you have only experienced the exceptions. If so, bravo, well done and continued success. But those are exceptions, not the norm. The norm is that over time MOST will become some version of this evolution.
And lets not even bring up the discussion that people who choose this type of existence may have some imbalance the prevents them from choosing conventional careers (hookering is not a career or “profession’. It’s a FAILURE to choose a career or real profession – even in Thailand). Like a lot of things we do out of need, the occasional transgression can be overlooked. The danger being that if continued too long it may come to define you and that’s what we are talking about here isn’t it. The girls that have been at this long enough (no matter what their age – some burn out at a young age) to have their character, attitude, behavior, you name it, defined by this extremely difficult environment that is hookering. They are human beings after all, as you say - not good not bad but defined by their actions or attitude and as you say “its all about attitude” after all.
Most experienced mongers have developed a keen sense about these things. It usually takes only a few minutes of carefully directed conversation to decide what you have sitting in front of you. We approach every situation with the highest expectations but realize that no matter how sweet the fragrance it could all turn to insanity in a New York minute and we’re ready for that. If not then it's another great outing and as they say Bob’s your uncle…
Daddy 07, you surprise me. Amjeck knows this and has been at this too long to fall for such fanciful thinking…
Member #4698
07-18-10, 20:48
a few days ago i was lying flat on my back while 2 young ladies were probing my mouth with their fingers and touching my face all over for at least half an hour. they did it purely for the money.
it was a female dentist and her assistant. they were cleaning my teeth.
[and] of course, not providing me with sex... but aside from the sex, i can't discern any difference between those ladies and the ones i invite to my room to take care of daddy.
i think daddy07 has a good point here, although he may have stretched it a bit too far. obviously dentists and their hygienists have gone through a little more education, training, and certification than your average thai sw. still the point is valid. both beethoven and the rolling stones are musicians and worked in the entertainment industry. some people cannot see that.
i see prostitutes as workers in the healthcare service industry. is what a girl performs in an oily massage parlor so different from what a "legitimate" masseuse does, that they deserve to be looked down upon by some? the filth is in the mind. isn't having sex when needed or wanted therapeutic? therefore relieving their client’s sexual tension is not that far off from having a physical fitness expert massage a patient’s pulled tendon.
if prostitution was legal in the western world and made affordable, i am sure [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and violent crime against women would decline dramatically and marriage divorce rates as well. so i agree that your go go girl (sexual provider) is in a service industry helping her clients, whether society looks at it that way or not.
Terry Terrier
07-18-10, 21:18
Really!?!
Were you careful not to bring too much money with you so that they could not sneak money out of your pocket while you were distracted by dental work?
Probably not.
If you do a bit of research, you will find that many of Thailand's private hospitals and clinics have dubious reps for overcharging. Fact is, it's a way of life from top to bottom in the country that deserves it's nickname 'the land of scams'.
Did they try to clean only some of your teeth when you weren’t looking and try to get you out faster so they could do something else (boyfriend, sleep, shop, eat)!?!
Probably not.
Again, this type of practice goes on at all levels in Thailand, from taxis through to 5* hotels and beyond.
Did you catch them lying –you handsome man, we like falang more that Thai, etc. (even little white lies)
Probably not.
Allow me to let you in on a well-kept secret (:D): Lying and flattery are a way of life in Thailand.
I'm always reminded of these wise words by a former poster whenever I read the ugly, dismissive, disparaging comments about Thai prostitutes:
There's a difference between knowing how things work and heaping scorn on sex workers because of it.
... hookering is not a career or “profession’. It’s a FAILURE to choose a career or real profession – even in Thailand…
A failure? Most hookers earn a lot more than the average wage in the Land of Smiles (even without taking into account extra income they get from their sponsors!)! Most of the Thai prostitutes are coming from the rural and poorest parts of their country where the education level is very low (they have the worst teachers and don't learn much more than very basic things).
People who were born in a poor village don't have many opportunities to attend a good university. Not because they are all stupid, but because the dices are loaded. In these areas, they are not educating the sons and daughters of peasants to become something else other than future farmers, peasants or blue-collar workers.
I know how some local girls choose to become prostitutes. Those girls know very well that it's their best chance for them and their parents (because they usually help them financially too) to live a better life. So, this choice of career is not a failure for them. IMHO, it should not even be considered as the failure of the local educational system, because this state of things in the poorest parts of the country is almost certainly intentional (it serves the purposes of the local elite).
I took her from Shark Bar a year ago. Her name was Noot and she had a great smile (and huge boobs for such a small girl). Had fun with her, but didn't get any contact info. Anyone seen her?
Planning a first-time trip to Thailand in a few months and planning on staying in Pattaya. From reading this forum it appears to me that Pattaya is a better option for price and ease of mongering compared to Bangkok. I will be arriving in Bangkok on a Saturday afternoon and spending a week in country. Would it be worthwhile to spend the first night in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya the next day or is the city too complicated to navigate for a true newbie that just got off the plane and only has a few hours?
Member #4698
07-19-10, 04:39
Planning a first-time trip to Thailand in a few months and planning on staying in Pattaya. From reading this forum it appears to me that Pattaya is a better option for price and ease of mongering compared to Bangkok. I will be arriving in Bangkok on a Saturday afternoon and spending a week in country. Would it be worthwhile to spend the first night in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya the next day or is the city too complicated to navigate for a true newbie that just got off the plane and only has a few hours?
If all you have is one week, then heading straight for Pat is not a bad idea. It is about a 2 hour drive, so if you can arrange to get there before 7pm to 8pm, then you will have the entire night in Pat and it will be great.
Otherwise, I would spend Saturday night in BKK. It is not that hard to navigate the city if your main interest is in bar hopping and getting laid. Read up on BKK hotels and pick a girl friendly Sukhumvit hotel in your price range near Soi Cowboy. I prefer BKK to Pat because there is a lot more to see and do. BKK is a major Asian city and is full of culture. But I have to admit that Pattaya is sexual Disneyland and it will blow your mind. For example, Soi Cowboy is great, but it is only one block long. Walking Street is 10 times longer (estimate).
The time your plane is scheduled to leave Thailand should also influence you planning. If the plane leaves late at night or very early in the morning, then I suggest spending your last night in BKK. Otherwise you can just go from Pat straight to the airport.
If all you have is one week, then heading straight for Pat is not a bad idea. It is about a 2 hour drive, so if you can arrange to get there before 7pm, then you will have the entire night in Pat and it will be great.I am getting in around 2:30 so should be able to make it by 7PM.
Otherwise, I would spend Saturday night in BKK. It is not that hard to navigate the city if your main interest is in bar hopping and getting laid. Read up on BKK hotels and pick a girl friendly Sukumvit hotel in your price range near Soi Cowboy. I prefer BKK to Pat because there is a lot more to see and do, but I have to admit that Pattaya will blow your mind. For example, Soi Cowboy is great, but it is only one block long. Walking is street 10 times longer (estimate).Well bar hopping and getting laid are my only interests. I will probably need to eat at some point too. It just might seem a little weird to go all the way to Bangkok and not see the city at all.
The time your plane is scheduled to leave Thailand should also influence you planning. If the plane leaves late at night or very early in the morning, then I suggest spending your last night in BKK. Otherwise you can just go from Pat straight to the airport.I am leaving at noon. Does that classify as very early in the morning? Maybe the last night is the night I should spend there. Hmmm. Thanks for the feedback.
Planning a first-time trip to Thailand in a few months and planning on staying in Pattaya. From reading this forum it appears to me that Pattaya is a better option for price and ease of mongering compared to Bangkok. I will be arriving in Bangkok on a Saturday afternoon and spending a week in country. Would it be worthwhile to spend the first night in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya the next day or is the city too complicated to navigate for a true newbie that just got off the plane and only has a few hours?The city is tourists friendly and not complicated to navigate at all, Taxis are cheap mostly reliable. It is all depending if you're trying to cope with your jetlag or not. A day of rest in Bangkok is a good idea before you jump into another 3 hours of journey to Pattaya and let you compare what you'll be getting at Bangkok.
Have fun mongering.
Are all hookers like this - no. But after time, USUALLY, the associated difficulties of hookering will beat down even the sweetest girl. Those who are not are the exceptions - and there certainly are exceptions. Perhaps you have only experienced the exceptions. If so, bravo, well done and continued success. But those are exceptions, not the norm. The norm is that over time MOST will become some version of this evolution.In the end a human is a human, all professions have there share of lying,deceitful human, all capable of absolute arseholery on personal and professional levels. This could be evidenced by innumerable evidence from life the internet and peoples personal accounts.
I now follow the "Kumbujeck Doctrine" basically a life manual on dealing with people in every situation.
Keep an open mind, try to enjoy the "experience" and sprinkle it with some hard edged caution.
El Frances
07-19-10, 08:20
Planning a first-time trip to Thailand in a few months and planning on staying in Pattaya. From reading this forum it appears to me that Pattaya is a better option for price and ease of mongering compared to Bangkok. I will be arriving in Bangkok on a Saturday afternoon and spending a week in country. Would it be worthwhile to spend the first night in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya the next day or is the city too complicated to navigate for a true newbie that just got off the plane and only has a few hours?
Personally I would rush straight to Pattaya! Make a reservation for a limousine with Mr T (1000 THB from airport to your place in Pattaya, in 1h30) (drive to an hotel in Bangkok is maybe 45 mn), sleep on the back seat if you are tired and enjoy relaxing in Pattaya. Bangkok is not relaxing and very hot. Bangkok is only worh staying if you want to visit touristic places (Grand Palace, etc...). For one night it's not worth staying there.
ThaiLearner
07-19-10, 09:29
Planning a first-time trip to Thailand in a few months and planning on staying in Pattaya. From reading this forum it appears to me that Pattaya is a better option for price and ease of mongering compared to Bangkok. I will be arriving in Bangkok on a Saturday afternoon and spending a week in country. Would it be worthwhile to spend the first night in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya the next day or is the city too complicated to navigate for a true newbie that just got off the plane and only has a few hours?
As you only have a week I would go straight to Pattaya as the airport is on that side of Bangkok. You should be in Pattaya around 5pm if you get to BKK airport around 2pm .
Planning a first-time trip to Thailand in a few months and planning on staying in Pattaya. From reading this forum it appears to me that Pattaya is a better option for price and ease of mongering compared to Bangkok. I will be arriving in Bangkok on a Saturday afternoon and spending a week in country. Would it be worthwhile to spend the first night in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya the next day or is the city too complicated to navigate for a true newbie that just got off the plane and only has a few hours?
It depends on what kind of girls you like. Pattaya is cheaper than bkk, but you get what you pay for. Bangkok is a mega city and has more variety of girls and if you know where to look (and have cash) you can pretty much get anything you want.
So basically, if you want cheap and easy go to Pattaya. If you want top of the line, go to BKK.
I never quite get the point when someone points out that pros are doing it for the money. Of course they are. Isn't anyone doing any job for pay doing it for the money. That is why we work isn't it? Money is just energy in a particular form we have all decided is convenient for barter. If you have a lot in the bank it just menas that you have a lot of that particular form of energy in reserve and can, if you wish, trade it for another form of much prized energy-divine feminine energy. More commonly known as pussy.
My point is that it is all illusion (not just the sex trade) and one needs only decide how much of the illusion one wants to see. I personally would not go to a movie and then spend the whole time complaining that Indiana Jones is actually a 50 something actor and his daring stunts are actually being performed by 20 something professional stunt men. I enjoy the movie for which I have paid good money. If Indiana falls in love, loses the girl then recues her from the Nazis and saves the world from Satan-I am happy for him and for myself to the extent that I identify with the hero. Then I leave the theater feeling satisfied for a couple of hours.
Please-if I wanted realism I would walk in front of a bus. And even then I suspect I would just find another level of illusion. It is a fun house, a house of mirrors in which we live. Find a reflection that is prettier than you are and enjoy.Dude,
Have you been listening to Bill Hicks?
It depends on what kind of girls you like. Pattaya is cheaper than bkk, but you get what you pay for. Bangkok is a mega city and has more variety of girls and if you know where to look (and have cash) you can pretty much get anything you want.
So basically, if you want cheap and easy go to Pattaya. If you want top of the line, go to BKK.
In Edward M's case I would suggest going directly to Patts. He would only have 1 day in BKK and he doesn't know where to look. Save BKK for the next trip. I am sure he can find a hottie or two in Pattaya.
Planning a first-time trip to Thailand in a few months and planning on staying in Pattaya. From reading this forum it appears to me that Pattaya is a better option for price and ease of mongering compared to Bangkok. I will be arriving in Bangkok on a Saturday afternoon and spending a week in country. Would it be worthwhile to spend the first night in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya the next day or is the city too complicated to navigate for a true newbie that just got off the plane and only has a few hours?
Negotiate with a taxi driver for about 1000 baht to take you to Pattaya from the airport. I prefer to do it at the the departure level because they have little time to make their decision. Make clear to him that you'll pay yourself extra for the toll way (about 80 baht) otherwise he will try to avoid it in order to save some baht. Choose a new taxi for more confortable ride.
Enjoy Pattaya untill the previous day of your departure. Then after breakfast take a taxi to a Bangkok hotel near Shukumvit road. Visit a soapie (IMHO a must for a first comer eg Annies close by) in early afternoon, Tulip or Mango later on if you have the strength, then go to Gulliver's on Sukhumvit soi 5 for a nice dinner and pick up a lady from there for the night or from soi Cowboy or Nana area near by and you are done with BKK.
Make sure to arrange for a wake up call and try to be two hours ahead at the airport. It is a long way to the gates.
Personally I would rush straight to Pattaya! Make a reservation for a limousine with Mr T (1000 THB from airport to your place in Pattaya, in 1h30) (drive to an hotel in Bangkok is maybe 45 mn), sleep on the back seat if you are tired and enjoy relaxing in Pattaya. Bangkok is not relaxing and very hot. Bangkok is only worh staying if you want to visit touristic places (Grand Palace, etc...). For one night it's not worth staying there.
I would also recommend to go straight to Pattaya in Edward M's case. It's easier for a newbie to get some experience about the local P4P scene here first. P4P is available almost everywhere in Pattaya. The working girls knows why you are there and more often than not, they are the ones who will take the initiative and start a chat. Even the shyest guy will get laid really quickly in Pattaya with no or minimum hassles.
In Bangkok, the red districts are a small part of the city. P4P is more expensive there and probably less "newbie friendly" than Pattaya. But Pattaya may be a bit boring early in the day, while Bangkok seems to be perpetually bustling with activity.
For a first and short sojourn, I would recommend to stay most of your time first in Pattaya, and your last two days (for instance) in Bangkok (Sukhumvit area).
Edward M, if you want to use a private taxi service to go to Pattaya straight after your arrival at the airport, several reliable ones are mentioned here:
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I took her from Shark Bar a year ago. Her name was Noot and she had a great smile (and huge boobs for such a small girl). Had fun with her, but didn't get any contact info. Anyone seen her?
If you really want to find lady Noot, then go back to the Shark Bar and ask the ladies there about her. Bar ladies usually know each other. And some of the ladies there might know where to find lady Noot.
But you shouldn't be surprised if lady Noot has found a permanent man for herself, and she no longer is available to go out with other guys. A lot of guys like the kind of boobs she has. Ladies like that usually don't take long to find a permanent rich farang for themselves.
...this extremely difficult environment that is hookering.
Its funny you should put it that way because most Thai women I know consider 'hookering' to be the 'easy way out'. Its a lot easier to make 1,000 baht in an hour of sex than in a week of heavy toil cleaning rooms, cooking, or factorying.
Planning a first-time trip to Thailand in a few months and planning on staying in Pattaya. From reading this forum it appears to me that Pattaya is a better option for price and ease of mongering compared to Bangkok. I will be arriving in Bangkok on a Saturday afternoon and spending a week in country. Would it be worthwhile to spend the first night in Bangkok and then go to Pattaya the next day or is the city too complicated to navigate for a true newbie that just got off the plane and only has a few hours?It seems the general consensus is that you should high-tail it down to Pattaya. I would not disagree with that assessment, but for the sake of complicating matters, here are some other ideas.
Having just spent a month in Thailand during which I spent a lot of time in BKK and Pattaya, I can tell you that both places are excellent. BKK is not too complicated to deal with, and there is plenty of excitement to be had.
If it were me, and this is just me, I would spend the first 3 nights in BKK and the last 4 in Pattaya. The day trip down to Pattaya is not a waste of time since I usually don't monger during the day (that's just me). Furthermore, you could take a taxi from Pattaya on your last day and be at the airport by the time your flight departs with no problem.
Pattaya is indeed far simpler, but that does not always mean better. Everything in Pattaya is...compact. All the action is in a tight area, and there is little traveling that needs to be done. So four nights will be enough to fully sample the goods on offer here.
BKK is a big city with far more options. There are many different kinds of massage places, gogo bars, high-end dance halls, regular discos, loads of SWs, etc. The variety is far greater, and the prices are indeed higher. I find the excitement of BKK is something you can't find in Pattaya, but there is the added hassle of traffic and congestion. On the plus side, the food is FAR better in BKK than in Pattaya. For whatever reason, I find I cannot get a decent meal in Pattaya, but maybe that's the snob in me.
So overall, I would not shy away from splitting your trip between the two places. If you are shy and a little meek, I would say go to Pattaya - it's easier. Everything is set up for the sex tourist. If you are up for a challenge (and enjoy such things), I would split my time between the two places.
On the plus side, the food is FAR better in BKK than in Pattaya. For whatever reason, I find I cannot get a decent meal in Pattaya, but maybe that's the snob in me.
It's not the snob in you. You're statement is spot on! I can't figure out why the food in Pattaya sucks either.
Member #4351
07-19-10, 22:09
I don´t know, I´ve always gotten good food at this place: http://www.gregskitchennorthpattaya.com/
But I´m not much of a food snob.
I always had really good food at Sugar Hut and Cabbages & Condoms; both in Pattaya.
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