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spent 4 days in pattaya, nothing memorable. place was a bit quiet now, not so many customers for all girls. also rained most of the time and ws was flooded to your ankles at some places. first went to some agogos, heaven above in ws was bf 600 and surprisingly rhe girl only asked 1000 for st but session ended right away after her little cowgirl action we found out the sheet was covered with blood, what an ameteur thing it was that she worked during that time. she rubbed the sheets a bit cleaner and left, i guess i didn't have to pay her but gave her 300 don't ask me why. she was in. panic too and embarrassed, probably really a new gir working. then got more drunk and went for a beer bar girl, a bit chubby but nice, worth 1000 lt plus 300 bf. i think the bar was t bar or tj bar on soi 7. on other days i was too drunk too, went to fahrenheit agogo and bf 600 and a nice girl who was working outside as a hostess and didn't dance wanted only 2k long because she said she liked me. 24yo nice looking but had a baby and body had big stretching marks so maybe didn't dance and show that for that reason. not good experience. fucked her only at night once. another session was 3am too drunk again played games in a bar with a girl who turned out to be lb so left "her" and slim pickings at 3am and another 1k lt for a chubby bargirl, old 37 not too pretty but was feeling horny and a pussy is a pussy. did her another time in the morning, then headed to bkk. pattaya disappointment, maybe my tactics were wrong, you shouldn't drink too long and you could get quality out of a agogo early, but i just don't like to call it a night after 10-11pm. want to see more bars and girls and then suddenly all the decent girls are taken already. and low season, maybe the lookers are in their farms. found one cute girl in a beer bar but lost her to another rude guy who just bought her drinks when we were playing pool. i saw some lookers dancing as pairs of girls dancing in some clubs or discos in ws they looked freelancers, i guess if want a looker those i should have tried but im bad picking them up and they looked choosy and some guys trying them many times so should compete too. last night rode a motocycle taxi and almost hit a food cart at full speed but driver manouvered us safe at the last second so i should be happy, things could be a lot worse.
must switch to bkk thread but here met a dating site girl aged 42 (i'm 35) so a bit strange but has a body of a teenager (thais amaze in that sense). of course the face shows up some signs of age but no kids yet. but would still like to have. we went ro drink quite a heavily in bars then ended up bb come inside in the morning, what a good feeling it was even with hangover. she works in a shop at a mall. now still a week to go here.
Spent 4 days in Pattaya, nothing memorable.
On other days I was too drunk. Now still a week to go here.Your choice, but you can get drunk at home, down your local bar, even on the plane. You can't fuck beautiful sexy Thai girls in those places.
Pekkakoo. At the risk of stereotyping, I spot your name as Finnish. So here is a story from a couple of decades ago. Staying in a beachfront hotel in Hikkaduwa, Sri Lanka, I was drafted as a troubleshooter for the owner.
There was a group of Finnish tourists staying at the hotel. One was a man on the crutches who was always drunk. No problem. But he had come with a girfriend from Finland, a common street hoe from Kemi, who soon began favoring locals. This left the boyfriend with his sap rising. One day he tried to get physical with a housekeeper, a straitlaced Muslim lady. That's when the owner came knocking, knowing I knew Finnish and was reasonably sober.
There were all kinds of additional developments in the next few days. At the end the hotel owner said to me: "What a pity, such a young man. He spent a lot of money to come all the way here and had no fun."
I responded: "What makes you think so? He seems to be having a wonderful time."
To Pekkakoo: Not to worry, mate. You are having fun too. You may not remember much but you get drunk and full-serviced on a regular basis. Lots of us envy you.
Member #4698
06-16-13, 20:20
On other days I was too drunk too . Pattaya disappointment, maybe my tactics were wrong, you shouldn't drink too long and you could get quality out of a agogo early, but I just don't like to call it a night after 10-11pm. Want to see more bars and girls and then suddenly all the decent girls are taken already.Ya think? Look, some guys like to drink a lot. I get that, but clearly too much booze kills the good times for most us. I used to smoke a lot of weed and do Ludes (A LOT!). It was great, but in all honesty it affected my sexual performance and limited my female choices adversely. Shagging quality Asian girls is now my number one objective when I travel. I don't let anything get in the way of that including booze, drugs, or money. And I have great times in BKK, Pattaya, AC, Subic, Manila, Singapore, and Macau. Get your shit together Pekkakoo and you will have a much better time and with way better girls.
Here is a suggestion: find a girl early, have a couple of drinks with her to loosen things up and get to know her a little, then barfine her ST, shag her, and afterwards return to the bars with her or without her and party it up while at the same time checking for more talent to hit up the next night. There is nothing wrong with barfining a 2nd gal later in the night, if you find a good one. But if you are shitfaced that probably won't happen. Your trip report confirms this.
Sir Lancelot
06-16-13, 21:26
Heard of Baccara, Devils Den and Glasshouse, will definitely check them out.Firstly I'm really glad you enjoyed my diary and it helped you plan your trip. I recommend visiting as many gogo bars as possible and drawing up a mental shortlist of where your favourite girls work. This way you'll get a good feel for Pattaya and find bars that suit you. Walking Street has some big bars that employ lots of girls but Glasshouse is a small bar that had some nice girls at cheaper prices. It's certainly worth a quick beer at the very least. Gems can definitely be found in the smaller bars (which also tend not to attract large groups of Japanese tourists). Half the fun is looking.
Another rookie question: when speaking to a girl you like, do you generally tell her what you'd like to do with her before going up in a room? I guess that the answer is yes (as in Spain) but still, I'd like not to act as a first time Pattaya visitor (not to get ripped off)Actually, the answer is no. My modus operandi when I meet girls is to try to make it as little like a business transaction as possible. I'll see a girl I like and buy her drink and we'll chat and get to know each other, I'll try to have fun with her and make her laugh and play silly little games (a good one is 'stares' when you've got to stare closely in to each others eyes and the person who loses is the one who laughs first. One of the reasons I do this is that I've got blue eyes which Thai girls love!). Basically for half an hour I'll try to make them as relaxed as possible, hold hands, dance together in the seat and smile as much as possible, without once discussing 'business'. If they act coldly then I'll either move on or buy her another drink. The aim is to get her to think that you're a nice, friendly guy.
A couple more things to consider. Some girls ask "you been here before?". Never let on you are a beginner or she will quote high. Another thing is think of your appearance. A LOT of guys in Pattaya go in to gogo bars wearing shorts and a T-shirt. If you make an effort with your appearance and wear a nice shirt for example, the girls will notice. Maybe wear aftershave too as some girls think it's the height of luxury. If you take care of your appearance not only does it make you more desirable, it hints that you might be more generous. If you do these things then the girl will want your custom more than if you are very serious and ask 'do you do anal? ' within five minutes of meeting her. Most girls have a lower-price and a higher-price that they can quote and it's your job to make sure that you get quoted the lower price.
When it comes time to talk money, either say something like "I really like you, would you like to go to my hotel with me. 1500 short-time? Tip if you make me smile?" or just ask her how much for short-time and when they tell you 2000 baht, say "1500 plus tip if you make me smile". They'll accept more times than not. Just make sure you do your research on this forum about what the correct prices are in gogo bars.
I never list my expectations but that's because I don't look for anal or CIM, I just want a BJ and sex. If you have special requirements ask when you are agreeing the price. If she looks uncertain you can say "if do anal, I give tip" with a smile. Just make sure you live up to your word if she accepts. I know most experienced mongers list terms and conditions in the bar (I. E how long, exactly what is expected) but I prefer my way. Sometimes it can backfire and the girl may ask to leave early but more often that not I get the girlfriend experience I crave, I get kisses and cuddles afterwards and I get their phone number.
Do you think, a cellphone would be useful for 5 or 6 days of action there? From some of your posts, it feels like you can "book" LT's late in the eveningA cellphone is essential. I just take my own from England but there is lots of good advice on this page about buying cheap local phones. You will meet many girls from the massage parlours and gogo bars who you really 'click' with, who you would like to meet again. You can arrange a second meeting either during the afternoon (gogo girls) or at night (massage girls) for much reduced rates. Not only is it cheaper for you, the girls pocket all of the proceeds without their bar / MP taking their cut.
Evil Penivel
06-16-13, 23:38
The flooding on June 12 was pretty damn bad along LK Metro, Soi Diana and Soi Bukhao. What should have been a 15-minute walk back to View Talay 6 (Central Festival) took two hours. But it wasn't as bad as the flooding on Sept. 11, 2011, around 2nd Road and Pattaya Tai, when I was at times wading in water that was nearly up to my waist and it took five hours to do a 15-minute walk. The water along LK Metro / Soi Bukhao wasn't anywhere near as deep as it had been in 2011 on 2nd Road / Pattaya Tai, nor was it moving nearly as fast.
I had been on a bar crawl to go gos on LK Metro and tried to navigate Soi Diana to get home, but the water was up to my knees and rushing fast. I retreated to the Rockhouse again, had another beer, then tried heading in the opposite direction on LK Metro. Stopped off at the Drunken Duck for awhile, then set out again at about 1. 30 a. M. Surprisingly, the baht buses were still running and the water wasn't very deep at the intersection of LK Metro / Soi Bukhao, but it got increasingly worse as we headed towards Pattaya Klang. Unluckily for me, the bus turned right instead of left on Klang. I got off, but the water was too deep for me to feel comfortable about trying to walk the rest of the way home. Too many potholes, too much shit in the water you couldn't see. I waited an hour or so for a lot of it to run off, then crossed the street and got home without further problem. The water wasn't a problem along 2nd Road.
Even moderate flooding like on June 12-13 is more than just an irritation. Because of the poor condition of the electrical cables that hang everywhere, there's a real danger of electrocution. Several visitors have been electrocuted in past years. I didn't hear about any deaths this time, but at least one guy got a very bad electrical shock that resulted in his hospitalization.
Also, the flood water is about as toxic a mix as you can imagine. If you have to wade through it, make sure you're up-to-date with your tetanus shots. If you get any of it in your mouth, head directly to the hospital. Your clothes will of course have to be washed and your shoes not only allowed to dry out but disinfected as well. Keep in mind, too, that the streets and sidewalks of Pattaya are full of potholes, loose paving stones, accumulated garbage and other obstacles you can't see under the water. The flooding sweeps a lot of flotsam along with it, making walking a major hazard, especially if you're a bit drunk.
Best advice. When a heavy downpour begins at night, either head for your hotel ASAP or wait it out, all night if necessary, in a bar or short-time hotel. Don't risk walking any distance through flood water. There's a very thin line between a dream vacation and the nightmare of a lifetime.
Evil
Timely and appreciative post. I always stay at VT 6 and will be back there within two weeks. I know it is the rainy season and this reinforces the thought to be prepared.
The flooding on June 12 was pretty damn bad along LK Metro, Soi Diana and Soi Bukhao. What should have been a 15-minute walk back to View Talay 6 (Central Festival) took two hours. Snipped.
Evil
Will be in Pattaya in September which is the month I have visited for the past few years. I've experience rain and minimal flooding but nothing like what I see in the pics. Have I been lucky or does the rain lessen in September?
Also can I rent a place in VT6 for just one week?
The flooding on June 12 was pretty damn bad along LK Metro, Soi Diana and Soi Bukhao. What should have been a 15-minute walk back to View Talay 6 (Central Festival) took two hours. But it wasn't as bad as the flooding on Sept. 11, 2011, around 2nd Road and Pattaya Tai, when I was at times wading in water that was nearly up to my waist and it took five hours to do a 15-minute walk. The water along LK Metro / Soi Bukhao wasn't anywhere near as deep as it had been in 2011 on 2nd Road / Pattaya Tai, nor was it moving nearly as fast...Where are the Jetskies when you really need them?
Interesting pics, Evil. I agree entirely with your advice on floods in Pattaya. I was there for the Sept 11, 2011 floods and underwater and in-water hazards, both physical and bacterial were a huge concern.
I'll be back in November this year when I'm not expecting flood inducing rain. And I'm staying VT6. I guess if you stay there you can always access Central Festival even in the worst of weather and get fed there. If you have a TG staying with you life's good. If not, maybe you can find one in the mall.
Evil Penivel
06-17-13, 12:15
Will be in Pattaya in September which is the month I have visited for the past few years. I've experience rain and minimal flooding but nothing like what I see in the pics. Have I been lucky or does the rain lessen in September?
Also can I rent a place in VT6 for just one week?September is actually the second-wettest month in Pattaya, according to the charts. An average of 8" of rain for the month, with the skies opening on 17 days out of 30. It's topped only by October with 10" of precipitation and 18 rain days. Of course, it can vary from year to year, but the very worst flooding I've seen in Pattaya occurred on Sept 11, 2011. Others have said it was even worse than that in September and October of 2007.
Yes, you can rent a VT6 condo for a week. Several agencies handle short-term VT6 rentals. Just do a Google search for VT6 and the names will pop up. VTSIX is one and Dancewatchers is another.
Timely and appreciative post. I always stay at VT 6 and will be back there within two weeks. I know it is the rainy season and this reinforces the thought to be prepared.Pack a pair of substantial water-resistant shoes. You don't want to be tramping through flood water in sandals.
Evil
Apologies for a newbie question. My flight is arriving relatively late at 10:10PM and figure I'll end up getting to my hotel around between 12-12:30AM. I'm staying at the Dusit D2 and wanted to have a LT session on arrival. Is my best bet to head over to LK Metro (Oasis, Champagne, The Office or Kiss)?
Much appreciate any feedback.
Apologies for a newbie question. My flight is arriving relatively late at 10:10PM and figure I'll end up getting to my hotel around between 12-12:30AM. I'm staying at the Dusit D2 and wanted to have a LT session on arrival. Is my best bet to head over to LK Metro (Oasis, Champagne, The Office or Kiss)?
Much appreciate any feedback.No. Head to the temple on the South Pattaya Road almost opposite the school close to the traffic lights.
DaniChan007
06-18-13, 04:32
I'm glad members mentioned about the rainy months before I actually book my trip.
I had originally planned to go at the beginning of September, but now I'm considering pushing it back to mid-August. Would that time be much better?
Evil Penivel
06-18-13, 06:12
Apologies for a newbie question. My flight is arriving relatively late at 10:10PM and figure I'll end up getting to my hotel around between 12-12:30AM. I'm staying at the Dusit D2 and wanted to have a LT session on arrival. Is my best bet to head over to LK Metro (Oasis, Champagne, The Office or Kiss)?
Much appreciate any feedback.Assuming it takes you 30 minutes to shower, unpack a bit and change clothes, you'll be ready to head out by 1. 00 a. M. At that time, just about all of Pattaya will still be at your feet and there are several thousand places where you could arrange L / T. The only area that would be largely closed is Soi 6. The Dusit D2 is conveniently located for either Walking Street or LK Metro. There are also many beer bars on the way, particularly if you head to LK Metro via Soi Diana.
Evil
The flooding on June 12 was pretty damn bad along LK Metro, Soi Diana and Soi Bukhao. What should have been a 15-minute walk back to View Talay 6 (Central Festival) took two hours. But it wasn't as bad as the flooding on Sept. 11, 2011, around 2nd Road and Pattaya Tai, when I was at times wading in water that was nearly up to my waist and it took five hours to do a 15-minute walk. The water along LK Metro / Soi Bukhao wasn't anywhere near as deep as it had been in 2011 on 2nd Road / Pattaya Tai, nor was it moving nearly as fast. Best advice. When a heavy downpour begins at night, either head for your hotel ASAP or wait it out, all night if necessary, in a bar or short-time hotel. Don't risk walking any distance through flood water. There's a very thin line between a dream vacation and the nightmare of a lifetime.
EvilI fully agree with you and feet and legs with a wound are a welcome gate for bacteria. Nevertheless, September last I was in similar situation in BKK, Nana area, where else, and I was truly surprised to see the water, ankle height, not much different from your pictures, was clear. Of course it does not mean it is clean, far from me to say that.
But taking into account the poor cleaning level you have in BKK streets (your description applies to nearly every where in SEA) I was expecting lots of things flaoting, including. Rats!
To cross the street I took courage and went into the water to go back to the hotel. There was no way to bypass that, anywhere.
You need to take a bit of courage, not have wounds in your lower areas of the legs and. Be a bit luck. Then take a deep shower.
I did this with flip flops: at the end of the day they do not protect you much less than shoes as water goes in anyhow. Water that is potentially full of bacteria, clear or not it is.
It is like with Songkran: either you stay confined in your hotel room or be ready to get wet any minute.
Assuming it takes you 30 minutes to shower, unpack a bit and change clothes, you'll be ready to head out by 1. 00 am At that time, just about all of Pattaya will still be at your feet and there are several thousand places where you could arrange L / T. The only area that would be largely closed is Soi 6. The Dusit D2 is conveniently located for either Walking Street or LK Metro. There are also many beer bars on the way, particularly if you head to LK Metro via Soi Diana.
EvilGood looking out Evil. Appreciate the feedback. When I was in Bangkok, it seemed to thin out past 1am. Seems like Pattaya might be a little different.
There is a fine line between what is objectively good (or "fun") , and what is instead purely subjective matter, or just like art does at time, elevates misery to gloom. The story you posted reflects that conondrum, what is truly beautiful? That which is beautiful, or thay you just like?
Pekkakoo. At the risk of stereotyping, I spot your name as Finnish. So here is a story from a couple of decades ago. Staying in a beachfront hotel in Hikkaduwa, Sri Lanka, I was drafted as a troubleshooter for the owner.
There was a group of Finnish tourists staying at the hotel. One was a man on the crutches who was always drunk. No problem. But he had come with a girfriend from Finland, a common street hoe from Kemi, who soon began favoring locals. This left the boyfriend with his sap rising. One day he tried to get physical with a housekeeper, a straitlaced Muslim lady. That's when the owner came knocking, knowing I knew Finnish and was reasonably sober.
There were all kinds of additional developments in the next few days. At the end the hotel owner said to me: "What a pity, such a young man. He spent a lot of money to come all the way here and had no fun."
I responded: "What makes you think so? He seems to be having a wonderful time."
To Pekkakoo: Not to worry, mate. You are having fun too. You may not remember much but you get drunk and full-serviced on a regular basis. Lots of us envy you.
Knee-jerk reaction if I have ever saw one. All yuor cellphone pictures show motorbikes quietly navigatin the "high waters" without much trouble, shows that the Thai people have more balls than you, with your bacteria fixation.
The flooding on June 12 was pretty damn bad along LK Metro, Soi Diana and Soi Bukhao.
[blah blah blah]
Evil
Knee-jerk reaction if I have ever saw one. All yuor cellphone pictures show motorbikes quietly navigatin the "high waters" without much trouble, shows that the Thai people have more balls than you, with your bacteria fixation.My reaction as well, where's the high water? After having waded thru many wet seasons sans tetanus, I wonder if it's not higher risk when you accidentally step into some small mud pool of sun dried, concentrated waste in dry season. Just rinse when you get home, and get on with your life.
In Pattaya for a little distraction before moving to something more adventurous.
I wasn't much curious about anythign anymore, so played it safe. First, checked in at the "Champ apartments" in central Pattaya. Quiet small building, far away from any busy street and bullshit. 500 Bt per day, and they will do their best to make you happy. No English spoken.
Second, I ventured to the discos at late night with mixed luck before meeting Ms. I. Pictured below. The first feeling is all what matters to me, as if it was a casual pickup. Without being a great beauty, she is moons better than the average, with a quiet, accomodating attitude that proved true thought all the nights we've been together. Some nights after her bar shift, she would call me asking if she could come over, sometime she would just come to the building door (just to find it closed when had no phone to call me.) But she has a brand new Toyota with which she took me to dinner once. Damage. 1500 per night / day whatever it is. I have skipped some days when it did not seemed necessary. Staying with her I've seen all my past life with the former Thai GF coming back, including the declaration of (almost) love at 4 days, the catfight at the 5th days, the Temple visit, etc, etc.
Anyway. In between this monogamous paid relationship I've also had to pleasure to meet Skogis, and we shared a gigantic Thai fish dinner. Too bad he had to leave soon, so we couln't party for real.
I've gained a little love for this crazy city, but I'm moving on tomorrow for a change.
My reaction as well, where's the high water? After having waded thru many wet seasons sans tetanus, I wonder if it's not higher risk when you accidentally step into some small mud pool of sun dried, concentrated waste in dry season. Just rinse when you get home, and get on with your life.Hehe, here's a short story from a friend of mine. He likes to tell it over and over, so it stuck, finally I can put it to a good use. Phuket ages ago, after days of downpours, they sat together when something (I can't tell exactly what it was) stimulates one of the guys. In a rush he crosses the road looking for what looked so sexy to him, little he knew there was an open manhole below his steps. He is all-in in the water, surrounded by floating turds (according to my friend's narration).
As far as I know he is still alive paying taxes in our fucked-up country today.
IndianVisit
06-19-13, 20:51
Harold wrote The indian fella was in dubble mind so he saw dubble diaphrams. Make cents to me. LOL.
I do not know the spelling of Double. I am not male gynaeoclogist and used the word diaphragm. Diaphragm is used inside for contraception. Externally the contraceptive barriers are condoms and female has got female condoms. It can be used both for anal and vaginal protection. I am providing link http://www.uhs.umich.edu/contraception-female-condom-facts.
A liitle bit aberration can occur in reporting. The room was having 5 watt bulb light and what it looked to me that she had protection for both places.
I did not write my last posting. Next day I wasted time to find out bell services and got booked a seat for airport directly. I donot remeber exactly how much but it was very cheap as compared to taxi which forum members go on recommending, advertising. I did go to famous massage center of soi 11 next to paradise massage. Seen the girl who appeared in you tube.
Another mistake I made in my reports was in chinatown the name of soapy was cleopetra which is close to railway station and without any signboard in english.
Will I go to Thailand again. I do not know. I have 9 telephone contacts and telephoned 5 of them. They could recollect. I will not be that lost as it was my first visit. I will, if I come, will inform before coming and will like to see all those whose language is dubble / mind / LOL / pig.
Another of my observation is that thai talent is more outside the Thailand. The only problem is there outside Thailand the scope is for very short time.
Now question is membership to forum. That is very small amount. But will it benefit me? Of course there will be knowledgable members who will honestly guide me.
I have not attached any photo or tele number as I found ethically not sound
My idea was to inform the visitors about Thailand and not writing pornography book.
BambiJacobson
06-19-13, 23:38
I'm glad members mentioned about the rainy months before I actually book my trip.
I had originally planned to go at the beginning of September, but now I'm considering pushing it back to mid-August. Would that time be much better?People tend to way overestimate the rain part of raining season. I have been in September and have had many friend that went in September too. They rain season does not mean that it rains all the time. Its just the part of the season that they have any rain!
I was there last September and I experienced 3-4 hours of rain for one day out of 7 days.
The upside is that the prices are better for everything. The girls are still bountiful and with less guys there you have it even easier then in high season.
This year I will go in August but I had originally booked my trip for September because I like it then and I only moved because work dictated it.
So my advice is do not change your plans. You will have a great time in September!
I fully agree with you and feet and legs with a wound are a welcome gate for bacteria. Nevertheless, September last I was in similar situation in BKK, Nana area, where else, and I was truly surprised to see the water, ankle height, not much different from your pictures, was clear. Of course it does not mean it is clean, far from me to say that.
But taking into account the poor cleaning level you have in BKK streets (your description applies to nearly every where in SEA) I was expecting lots of things flaoting, including. Rats!
To cross the street I took courage and went into the water to go back to the hotel. There was no way to bypass that, anywhere.
You need to take a bit of courage, not have wounds in your lower areas of the legs and. Be a bit luck. Then take a deep shower.
I did this with flip flops: at the end of the day they do not protect you much less than shoes as water goes in anyhow. Water that is potentially full of bacteria, clear or not it is.
It is like with Songkran: either you stay confined in your hotel room or be ready to get wet any minute.Get a grip man. It's only water. I've swum in worse and somehow survived. Rats are just small mammals, and when they are dead and drowned no more of a health hazard than any other rotting trash.
Broadfield
06-20-13, 01:05
Boys I am coming down to Pattaya Friday noon for 4 days. PM if you like to meet and chat over drink.
Ta
Apologies for a newbie question. My flight is arriving relatively late at 10:10PM and figure I'll end up getting to my hotel around between 12-12:30AM. I'm staying at the Dusit D2 and wanted to have a LT session on arrival. Is my best bet to head over to LK Metro (Oasis, Champagne, The Office or Kiss)?
Much appreciate any feedback.Got into Pattaya closer to 1am due to flight being slightly delayed. Took shower and headed over to LK Metro. Ugh, was disappointed after going into Champagne and The Office. Seems like Pattaya girls are about 5kg heavier than the girls in Bangkok. In both places, only 5 or so girls were "dancing" and very few customers. Hopped onto a moto-taxi and headed over to walking street. Went straight to Baccara and noticed a few things:
* Seems like there is an over-abundance of waiters.
* No comparison to the Bangkok Baccara in terms of looks.
* Girls weren't aggressive in asking to buy drinks.
As it edged toward 3am, ended up buying a drink and taking her LT. Didn't negotiate and ended up paying 4, 000 baht. Overall, relatively average in looks, but her cute and friendly personality made up for it. First WG that I've been with in a while that didn't slather on the KY, but we took our time and she got naturally wet. Plus for that.
My first impression of Pattaya relative to Bangkok is that there might be a trade off for slightly lower looks and worse bodies vs a more friendlier-personality and less pro-like terms.
I'm glad members mentioned about the rainy months before I actually book my trip.
I had originally planned to go at the beginning of September, but now I'm considering pushing it back to mid-August. Would that time be much better?I have been there during the rainy season (June, July and August) and it rains much more and is more humid than other times of the year. If the weather isn't a big issue for you and you just plan to spend time in bars and with ladies, I wouldn't worry about it. You will deal with it.
Here is one link to average rainfall. You can google and get more info.
http://thailandforvisitors.com/east/pattaya/practical-information/weather.php
Mr Enternational
06-20-13, 17:30
First WG that I've been with in a while that didn't slather on the KY, but we took our time and she got naturally wet. Plus for that.Calvin where have you been getting your wgs from? I have never been with a wg in Thailand who was in possession of KY. Tijuana is a different story!
So be it.
I will however refer you to the New York Times OP-ED section (page 27) in today's edition entitled "Why India Trails China" where-in the author, Amartya Sen, notes that a full HALF of the children in India, after 4 years of schooling CAN NOT divide 20 by 5.
http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/20/amartya-sen-on-why-india-trails-china/
Dear Sir,
I appreciate the effort you have put in to google out so much info about india and the poor literacy rates. There is no way I can deny the same.
However my point is that this site haa been started with the intention of coordinating between mongers like you and me who think below the waist when it comes to girls. We don't let money be a spoil sport when it comes to having fun I. E. We don't bargain.
So why not let the forum be to that and not go about citing incidents to run down nationalities. This is not a politically oriented forum.
So lets stick to the fun and share experiences that are relevant to the forum.
Got into Pattaya closer to 1am due to flight being slightly delayed. Took shower and headed over to LK Metro. Ugh, was disappointed after going into Champagne and The Office. Seems like Pattaya girls are about 5kg heavier than the girls in Bangkok. In both places, only 5 or so girls were "dancing" and very few customers. Hopped onto a moto-taxi and headed over to walking street. Went straight to Baccara and noticed a few things:
* Seems like there is an over-abundance of waiters.
* No comparison to the Bangkok Baccara in terms of looks.
* Girls weren't aggressive in asking to buy drinks.
As it edged toward 3am, ended up buying a drink and taking her LT. Didn't negotiate and ended up paying 4, 000 baht. Overall, relatively average in looks, but her cute and friendly personality made up for it. First WG that I've been with in a while that didn't slather on the KY, but we took our time and she got naturally wet. Plus for that.
My first impression of Pattaya relative to Bangkok is that there might be a trade off for slightly lower looks and worse bodies vs a more friendlier-personality and less pro-like terms.Your paid 4000 AT 3am During low season. You got ripped off! You overpaid!
Here is a shot in the dark, or searching for a needle in the proverbial haystack.
I am looking for a gal who hangs out in the Bamboo Bar. Her name is Noy, and her permanent seat is in the back left corner (as you are facing the stage) of the place.
Lost her phone number and have been trying to contact her. Real nice gal. Not necessarily a knockout, but she is a barrel of fun to be with.
Anyone with any info please pm me.
Rats are just small mammals, and when they are dead and drowned no more of a health hazard than any other rotting trash.Spoken like a true Mouse. :)
(nice to see you're still active here Mouse. Will be returning to BKK soon)
Calvin where have you been getting your wgs from? I have never been with a wg in Thailand who was in possession of KY. Tijuana is a different story!Mostly the Bay area, limited sessions in Korea and a short stay in Bangkok. I guess part of it can be attributed to my lacking of wanting to go down on WGs and possibly picking the less "warm" type of girls.
Your paid 4000 AT 3am During low season. You got ripped off! You overpaid!I suppose everyone has a different budget / tactics. Airfare is running me 66,000 baht and the hotel is 45,000 baht for 5 days. I'm guessing you could say the same "getting ripped off" about those as well.
Here is a shot in the dark, or searching for a needle in the proverbial haystack.
Anyone with any info please pm me.Long black hair and a bit of dark skin, maybe from Isaan? Maybe somebody here knows her too.
Hey. Don't me take me serious. !
Xplorer007
06-21-13, 16:29
Arrived in Patts yesterday it's low season and very quite I think it's the best time to visit Pattaya, plenty of free lancers on beach road and all over Pattaya average price around 500 to 750 baht some really cute looking girls.
I've had 4 girs already and looking forward for the rest of the trip, my advise to fellow mongers is that if you want to save money and get the best girls it's best to visit during low season.
Happy Mongering
I agree completely. I come over twice a year and one of those times is low season. I hit the shores of BKK / Pattaya next week for a few weeks before going up into E-San land. I hope the Ruskies are in lower numbers.
Arrived in Patts yesterday it's low season and very quite I think it's the best time to visit Pattaya, plenty of free lancers on beach road and all over Pattaya average price around 500 to 750 baht some really cute looking girls.
I've had 4 girs already and looking forward for the rest of the trip, my advise to fellow mongers is that if you want to save money and get the best girls it's best to visit during low season.
Happy Mongering
I suppose everyone has a different budget / tactics. Airfare is running me 66,000 baht and the hotel is 45,000 baht for 5 days. I'm guessing you could say the same "getting ripped off" about those as well.No the analogy would be if you offered the airline 100, 000 baht for your ticket, and the hotel 70, 000 for the room. That's what overpaying means. Paying more than the actual price. It has nothing to do with your budget (but just to reassure you, we're all quite impressed).
Mr Enternational
06-21-13, 22:20
No the analogy would be if you offered the airline 100, 000 baht for your ticket, and the hotel 70, 000 for the room. That's what overpaying means. Paying more than the actual price. It has nothing to do with your budget (but just to reassure you, we're all quite impressed).Least of all I am impressed. My humble place is 54, 000 baht for 365 days (366 days on a leap year).
I've seen Thai apartments at that price so I think at 4500Bt / month I'm impressed with your euphemistic use of the word humble.
Least of all I am impressed. My humble place is 54, 000 baht for 365 days (366 days on a leap year).
Spoken like a true Mouse. .
(nice to see you're still active here Mouse. Will be returning to BKK soon) Hi Kumbu. Good to hear from you. Yes, I've been more active on another forum, using an uncannily similar name, but still going strong. I'll be in Thailand end July, but probably heading straight to Pattaya. I'm still in touch with The Shrimp, but to be honest I see less and less of her each year. Still a great girl though.
I suppose everyone has a different budget / tactics. Airfare is running me 66,000 baht and the hotel is 45,000 baht for 5 days. I'm guessing you could say the same "getting ripped off" about those as well.9, 000 Bht per night in Thailand? What do you get for that? (Gold-plated taps and a bed, obviously, but what else? Hot and cold running flunkies?)
9, 000 Bht per night in Thailand? What do you get for that?You get a power trip and show-off time at the expense of the unfortunate listener.
Not sure what. "Hey. Don't me take me serious.!". Means?
Long black hair and a bit of dark skin, maybe from Isaan? Maybe somebody here knows her too.
Hey. Don't me take me serious. !
I'm heading to Pattaya in two weeks time, and will post FR's during my stay. Usually I use motorbike taxis to get around Pattaya, but this time I'll be hiring my own rental motorbike. In that regard, I have a question to the experienced people familiar with Pattaya and the police pullovers. How should a Farang deal with a pullover? My driving license is Malaysian, and not an International License. I don't speak Thai. If I was in Malaysia you can negotiate with a pullover, by offering the officer cash rather than him writing out the ticket, usually at a substantial discount to the "fine". So, how can I handle any "pulled-over-for-probably-not-having-an-International-driving-license" police shakedown? Any tips? Oh, and I'm less about saving a hundred THB than I am about navigating the driving situation in advance.
Feel free to PM me, if you prefer not to clutter up this message board with tips like this, or examples, and thanks in advance.
- Gunga Din
LittleBigMan
06-23-13, 09:12
I'm heading to Pattaya in two weeks time, and will post FR's during my stay. Usually I use motorbike taxis to get around Pattaya, but this time I'll be hiring my own rental motorbike. In that regard, I have a question to the experienced people familiar with Pattaya and the police pullovers. How should a Farang deal with a pullover? My driving license is Malaysian, and not an International License. I don't speak Thai. If I was in Malaysia you can negotiate with a pullover, by offering the officer cash rather than him writing out the ticket, usually at a substantial discount to the "fine". So, how can I handle any "pulled-over-for-probably-not-having-an-International-driving-license" police shakedown? Any tips? Oh, and I'm less about saving a hundred THB than I am about navigating the driving situation in advance.
Feel free to PM me, if you prefer not to clutter up this message board with tips like this, or examples, and thanks in advance.
- Gunga DinNot sure if a Malaysian license works in Pattaya? But depending on how long your stay and whether you look like a Farang will determine if you get pull over. It being wet season that lessen the chance of a check point but if you do get stopped that count on getting a break trying to negotiate. If they do take the money it will be the same amount or more? They will take the attitude that they are doing you a favor and tell you something like " Station really busy you want me to take care of the fine for you " although I had the money I showed him from one pocket I had 160 baht. He took my license and told me to pay the fine tomorrow and pick up my license.
LBM
Not sure if a Malaysian license works in Pattaya? But depending on how long your stay and whether you look like a Farang will determine if you get pull over. It being wet season that lessen the chance of a check point but if you do get stopped that count on getting a break trying to negotiate. If they do take the money it will be the same amount or more? They will take the attitude that they are doing you a favor and tell you something like " Station really busy you want me to take care of the fine for you " although I had the money I showed him from one pocket I had 160 baht. He took my license and told me to pay the fine tomorrow and pick up my license.
LBMThe thing is that is quite possible (nobody so far has gave me a definite, proved answer) that an IDL is required by law in Thailand. So if they want to fine for that, they are technically in the right. However, I think they may (or may not) go for that only that after the easy ones, e. G. No helmet, no Bike D / L, etc. Also as mentioned in other posts: they do the stops almost always at the same spots, at the same hours, day after day, year after year. And they do stop and fine Thai people too. Attached piccies where they stopped this beauty riding pillion with another lady, both had no helmets, the pig wanted to set me up with her, but she smiled to decline. I think they were not fined after all.
The thing is that is quite possible (nobody so far has gave me a definite, proved answer) that an IDL is required by law in Thailand. So if they want to fine for that, they are technically in the right.Yes, this is correct. Last year I was driving a car in a non-tourist area and got stopped at a check point. I was the only foreigner around. I got dinging for not having an IDL. I figured it would not be needed since my license is already printed in English. After paying the 200 baht, I did look it up online and found it was true that an IDL is required even if your license is already in English. I don't have the link at the moment though.
Evil Penivel
06-23-13, 16:29
Arrived in Patts yesterday it's low season and very quite I think it's the best time to visit Pattaya, plenty of free lancers on beach road and all over Pattaya average price around 500 to 750 baht some really cute looking girls.Where in Pattaya aside from Beach Road can you find girls, cute looking or not, for 500 to 750 baht?
Least of all I am impressed. My humble place is 54, 000 baht for 365 days (366 days on a leap year).Wow! I've never heard of a farang living in an apartment that cheap! Some of the BGs pay more for their rooms than that. How many square meters is your apartment? Does it have air conditioning or is it a fan room? In which part of Pattaya is it located? The Darkside, by any chance?
Evil
Mr Enternational
06-23-13, 18:14
Wow! I've never heard of a farang living in an apartment that cheap! Some of the BGs pay more for their rooms than that. How many square meters is your apartment? Does it have air conditioning or is it a fan room? In which part of Pattaya is it located? The Darkside, by any chance?3rd Road Soi 18.
Overview.
24hour Security Balcony Laundry Service Mini-Mart Furniture Coined Laundry Maid Service (Pay) Hot Shower Car Parking Air Conditioner TV Set Cable Channel Refrigerator Broadband Access Free
Not sure what. "Hey. Don't me take me serious.!". Means?Nobody does. He averages 5 posts per day and all equally informative. Pay no mind as I think it's a posting addiction.
Where in Pattaya aside from Beach Road can you find girls, cute looking or not, for 500 to 750 baht?
EvilThe Bush Babes. 300bt or less. An occasional cutie.most evil!
Road from near the Big Buddha to the pier.
3rd Road Soi 18.
Overview.
24hour Security Balcony Laundry Service Mini-Mart Furniture Coined Laundry Maid Service (Pay) Hot Shower Car Parking Air Conditioner TV Set Cable Channel Refrigerator Broadband Access FreeWith the inevitable stampede to your little nest, Landlord will now increase the price, LOL
Mr Enternational
06-24-13, 00:19
With the inevitable stampede to your little nest, Landlord will now increase the price, LOLWe do have a new building (January 2013) that rents for I think 6000 or 7000 baht. The building I am in was built in 2008. I have paid the same for 4 years.
LittleBigMan
06-24-13, 02:52
The thing is that is quite possible (nobody so far has gave me a definite, proved answer) that an IDL is required by law in Thailand. So if they want to fine for that, they are technically in the right. However, I think they may (or may not) go for that only that after the easy ones, e. G. No helmet, no Bike D / L, etc. Also as mentioned in other posts: they do the stops almost always at the same spots, at the same hours, day after day, year after year. And they do stop and fine Thai people too. Attached piccies where they stopped this beauty riding pillion with another lady, both had no helmets, the pig wanted to set me up with her, but she smiled to decline. I think they were not fined after all.When it comes to the BIB, in Pattaya, I travel each day on my bike 70 KM, and I've been stopped in the past think nearly every check point in Pattaya especially the Darkside. Depending on the location of the checkpoint they have their own rules and their fines seem to be higher in location like Naklau, Banglamung station charged me a 1, 000 baht for a red light. On the Darkside, I get nearly stopped daily and they have never ask me for anything except the paperwork.
From my own experience I noticed somehow they caught on to the IDL, thing, they know full well not many have them especially those just visiting and renting the bike which the bike renter knowing full well the BIB are looking for it. But renting the bike is much more important so nothing is said as to whether you do have a IDL. Last, year I got stopped at Naklau just outside my son school at the same time as another Farang. The Farang had his helmet on so did the passenger and his driver license but didn't have a IDL like me. The cop took my book and pointed to the other guy " you no have " they can't read the book but they been trained ask for this?
Yes, each check point is different and I've seen more than a few times. Farang sitting at light checkpoint on the other side. As soon as the light changes Thai no helmet, Farang with helment everything in tack it is 90% that they will pull the Farang over knowing the % they will not have a IDL, while letting the Thai go. They have a profile if they are young no helmet they will get stopped many times it is to check for immigration status? But in the end, the money = Farang. You see the check point at the light as soon as it turns green wait a few seconds and stay outside on the right never be first. On Beach road near Soi 9, stay outside on the right until you get by Central Festival which has a second checkpoint?
We do have a new building (January 2013) that rents for I think 6000 or 7000 baht. The building I am in was built in 2008. I have paid the same for 4 years.OK, I will check both buildings out. Thanks for the invaluable tip.
Last year was the first year I got stopped multiple times. If I got stopped where there were only 1 or 2 Thai police, they would take a bribe. On Second Road and Beach Road you'll have to go and pay the full fine.
If you are going to rent a bike, get an International Driver's License. It makes no sense not to have one if you rent. You will get pulled over. And you can get pulled over anywhere. I'm getting my International license from my local AAA Auto club. I'm not sure about what to do with a Malaysian license but I would inquire about getting an Int'l Driver's License.
Mr Enternational
06-24-13, 05:03
Last year was the first year I got stopped multiple times. If I got stopped where there were only 1 or 2 Thai police, they would take a bribe.A bribe for what? Were you actually in the wrong?
I'm heading to Pattaya in two weeks time, and will post FR's during my stay. Usually I use motorbike taxis to get around Pattaya, but this time I'll be hiring my own rental motorbike. In that regard, I have a question to the experienced people familiar with Pattaya and the police pullovers. How should a Farang deal with a pullover? My driving license is Malaysian, and not an International License. I don't speak Thai. If I was in Malaysia you can negotiate with a pullover, by offering the officer cash rather than him writing out the ticket, usually at a substantial discount to the "fine". So, how can I handle any "pulled-over-for-probably-not-having-an-International-driving-license" police shakedown? Any tips? Oh, and I'm less about saving a hundred THB than I am about navigating the driving situation in advance.
Feel free to PM me, if you prefer not to clutter up this message board with tips like this, or examples, and thanks in advance.
- Gunga DinI rent a motorbike each time I go to Pattaya. I reckon on getting pulled over at least once each trip these days. To mitigate, what you can do is:
1 Always carry your driver's licence. If it is not valid for motor bikes (mine isn't) you may or may not get fined (I have been fined only once for this out of 10 pull overs).
2 I may be wrong, but I don't think there is any such thing as an International Driving Licence. There is an International Driving Permit, which effectively validates your own licence in another country. I don't really see the point of it, but technically it might be required. But I have never been asked, and the only time my licence was queried was as above, and an IDP would not have helped.
3 Always carry your rental agreement and check the insurance is inside the bike seat.
4 The police tend to be based in the same place at the same time, so try and avoid them. If you have to go past them, steer to the opposite side of the road and stare fixedly ahead, ignoring their waving (easy to do on second Road, not so easy on Beach Road). They are not too bothered as there will be another victim along shortly.
5 If you think you are being unjustly penalised make it clear, but don't argue too long. It won't make any difference when the ticket has been written out. When you pay the fine (500bht?) don't even discuss with the cashier as he / she will probably refuse to deal with you, leaving you begging for them to take your money so you can get your bike back.
6 This should obviously be #1, but always wear your helmet. Always.
If you are going to rent a bike, get an International Driver's License. It makes no sense not to have one if you rent. You will get pulled over. And you can get pulled over anywhere. I'm getting my International license from my local AAA Auto club. I'm not sure about what to do with a Malaysian license but I would inquire about getting an Int'l Driver's License.As I said, there is no such thing as an IDL:
<< Beware websites selling 'international driving licences' – these aren't legally recognised documents, so don't get caught out.
An AA spokesperson told us: "Some people mistakenly refer to International Driving Permits (IDP) as international driving licences. However, there is no such thing as an international driving licence – they are not legally recognised – so don't be fooled into buying one, as they are not worth the paper they are printed on.
"An IDP, on the other hand, is required or recommended in 139 countries and is recognised internationally – they are issued in accordance with Road Traffic Conventions, which stipulate that they can only be issued by motoring organisations or motoring authorities." >>
LittleBigMan
06-24-13, 09:28
As I said, there is no such thing as an IDL:
<< Beware websites selling 'international driving licences' – these aren't legally recognised documents, so don't get caught out.
An AA spokesperson told us: "Some people mistakenly refer to International Driving Permits (IDP) as international driving licences. However, there is no such thing as an international driving licence – they are not legally recognised – so don't be fooled into buying one, as they are not worth the paper they are printed on.
"An IDP, on the other hand, is required or recommended in 139 countries and is recognised internationally – they are issued in accordance with Road Traffic Conventions, which stipulate that they can only be issued by motoring organisations or motoring authorities." Yes, you are correct! It is a PERMIT! Translation in conversation we are talking License when it is actually PERMIT!
Traveling to Phuket in the first week of July.
I am holding an Indian Driving License.
Went to the officials here and they issued an International Driving Permit, which they said was valid in many countries including Thailand. This is valid for a year, after which I can have the same renewed.
The IDP has my pciture and stamped by the relevant authorities.
I guess that should not be a problem as it is validated by the authorities here in India.
Yes, you are correct! It is a PERMIT! Translation in conversation we are talking License when it is actually PERMIT!Yes, an IDP. However, cops will not ever spell Permit. They will say "international License" and that is how is known universally.
And, there are two "versions" of that, depending on the year of the Convention. I don't even know which one Thailand has ratified, some countries will issue either to your choice, some country like the US, one type only.
And if you really want dig deep int this crazed bullshit, read on.
"the period of validity of an international license shall be either no more than three years after the date of issue or until the date of expiry of the domestic driver's license, whichever is earlier;"
Meaning that (in theory) on normal 5-year valid D / L, you should not be able to have an IDP after three years you had the national license!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Driving_Permit
JayHighFive
06-24-13, 11:11
I remember seeing a price list will all the bar fine and drink cost for the bars / clubs in Pattaya. Does anyone know where I can find this?
Meaning that (in theory) on normal 5-year valid D / L, you should not be able to have an IDP after three years you had the national license!Normal? That's only normal for a particular country in North America. My license expires in 20 years.
LittleBigMan
06-24-13, 11:41
Yes, an IDP. However, cops will not ever spell Permit. They will say "international License" and that is how is known universally.
And, there are two "versions" of that, depending on the year of the Convention. I don't even know which one Thailand has ratified, some countries will issue either to your choice, some country like the US, one type only.
And if you really want dig deep int this crazed bullshit, read on.
"the period of validity of an international license shall be either no more than three years after the date of issue or until the date of expiry of the domestic driver's license, whichever is earlier;"
Meaning that (in theory) on normal 5-year valid D / L, you should not be able to have an IDP after three years you had the national license!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Driving_PermitAll this is fine and dandy! But forget it all. I've use a International Permit for a number of years in fact for nearly 10 years for AAA in the USA.
I've been stopped hundreds of time and only paid 4 fines in all those years and believe me I was always in the wrong just got caught. I've had family here visiting for months coming and going for years and they bring with them their IDP from AAA, and they don't have motorbike license at home the IDP isn't stamp for motorbike but I have made one and stamp it for them just in case!
In the end, believe it or not and I have said this a few times. They know what one looks like but get thsi 99. 9% they can't read! So no matter how many years they can't read and don't even know what the IDP allows each holder to do? I've given them a expired book once by mistake the date was something in front like Janaury 31, 2011, it is valid for 1 year from this date.
My cousin just got his doesn't even have a motorbike license from home. I stamped his book and we took it down to the License office, made the necessary copies and got the resident certification, health certificate and didn't even have to take the driving test, just the eye!
Most of them can't read it is a joke. I was stopped a number of years ago by a Tourist Police British guy on Sukhumvit checkpoint he told me if I lived here get a license because he told me that my IDP was only good for driving on Sukhumvit that it isn't good if I turn left or right into town. I told him is everything in order he said yes! I told him before you give that information out again think about what you just said because it is real stupid!
LBM
Mr Enternational
06-24-13, 14:03
Normal? That's only normal for a particular country in North America. My license expires in 20 years.Which country? I'm American and my state license expires in 30 years.
A normal decent catch late at Marine disco. BTW that is where I'm seeing the best looking ones, there is to say that men are mostly of the youngish type there.
We get dancing, at the same table there were two other girls, one very good looking and a regular one. Both clearly stuck up bitches, after a while the regular make some kind of shitface to me. For how much jovial and easy going I don't take disrespect from envious sillies, and rebuff her on the head. Oh they made a fuss about it, that my girl, in typical Thai style tried to conciliate, saying that they were their friends. Of course they were not. So we left and she goes in drunk loop of saying "disco lady speaks no good and they sleep together", that almost got on my nerve after a while. Other than that she did all the needed actions but beside a nice smile and laugh her personality is not enough for a repeat. Others are better in that sense, but are lacking sexually, so it's hard to balance sometime. Limited damage 1K LT.
The night before I got something similar after parting ways with Broadfield (hi matey) , also forgot her name.
Which country? I'm American and my state license expires in 30 years.See how different country to country and state to state can be. Newly released Calif. Licenses are 4 years. And most countries limit vality to like 5 yrs before a renewal is due, because they want doctors make money checking your health and vision. In all cases I have never heard of 30 years validity.
I think I misunderstood myself the sentence that I posted before IDP vality. As others have noted, doesn't matters at all. If the cops want to fine / extract money you they will. That can be minimized by a some good talking, or in extreme cases pulling out a powerful lawyer or high ranking cop business card and start calling will help. But we're not talking about the 200 Bt problems.
"the period of validity of an international license shall be either no more than three years after the date of issue or until the date of expiry of the domestic driver's license, whichever is earlier;"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Driving_PermitThere are two international conventions ruling the IDP.
One makes the IDP valid for 12 months.
Another one makes the IDP valid for 18 months.
No matter what and for how long the national driving permit is valid (of course the IDP may not valif after the original national permit is valid)
As I (might) need the IDP in USA, I need have to make one every year since USA stick to the convention granting IDP validity of 12 months (thank you uncle Sam!) whilst other countries accept the IDP convention granting a validity of 18 months.
Nobody checks the IDP when you rent a car in USA, but in some states some boring cops might ask for it and if you don't have it you are in trouble.
Other countries do check the IDP when you rent the car.
Asianpussylover
06-24-13, 15:23
Hi can some please post the phone number of this bar? My favorite thai is now working there.
So, would you say this is a hard and fast rule and that NO Thai girl is worth 4000Bt?
No the analogy would be if you offered the airline 100, 000 baht for your ticket, and the hotel 70, 000 for the room. That's what overpaying means. Paying more than the actual price. It has nothing to do with your budget (but just to reassure you, we're all quite impressed).
Thank you for all the generous postings, and info, regarding my earlier question about driving your own motorbike in Pattaya, and the reality of the situation with the IDP and with bribes. Very helpful to me, and I hope also to others, in reading this forum. I'll be looking to get a IDP before I head out to Pattaya in less than two weeks, but I'm not sure it can be arranged by then. I may either wing it, or go back to lining the pockets of motorbike taxis at least only for one more trip.
I'll begin posting my upcoming FRs, beginning after my arrival on July 4 evening. Devil's Den is on my list, followed by a young Zombie girl from Supergirl the day after, and then on to the Coconut Bar for more reasonable rates. Failing that, Soi 6 in the afternoons, methinks.
Cheers,
- Gunga
Mr Enternational
06-24-13, 16:32
See how different country to country and state to state can be. Newly released Calif. Licenses are 4 years. And most countries limit vality to like 5 yrs before a renewal is due, because they want doctors make money checking your health and vision. In all cases I have never heard of 30 years validity.I am from Georgia. Our regular license is valid for 15 years. Since I am a veteran it is free and ours is for 30 years.
I am from Georgia. Our regular license is valid for 15 years. Since I am a veteran it is free and ours is for 30 years.As they say. Only in America.
Or in Thailand, should I add!
4 The police tend to be based in the same place at the same time, so try and avoid them. If you have to go past them, steer to the opposite side of the road and stare fixedly ahead, ignoring their waving (easy to do on second Road, not so easy on Beach Road). They are not too bothered as there will be another victim along shortly.
This is the best advice. I've often seen Thais simply drive away from the police. Unless they are physically grabbing you, or standing directly in your path, there's really no need to stop - they never chase anyone. (well other than the poor freelancers on Beach Road :( )
Sir Lancelot
06-24-13, 18:51
A normal decent catch late at Marine disco. BTW that is where I'm seeing the best looking ones.Love the pic, nice work. Got to love denim shorts.
I met a girl at one of the massage parlours who told me that she goes to Marine when her shift finishes. I think quite a few of the MP and gogo girls do this. Either that or go to one of the other clubs. I saw a very pretty girl in I-BAR on Walking Street.
I visited Pattaya last week, and I have the impression that the action has REALLY slowed down for the rainy season? Not much happening before 9 pm, and even then some gogo mamasans were almost annoyed at an early BF (the girls, predictably, were thrilled.). Apparently because it thinned their dancing lines even further. In the beer bars the knowledge of English (always less developed in Patts than in BKK) was weaker than ever: "Me no speak English. Me only come Pattaya two weeks ago!" I even had the impression that some bars had rolled in some seasonal replacement workers.
I had a very good experience with a MILF from Soi Diana, who spoke almost no English and was a total novice to Patts. At first I thought she was a widow who'd fallen on hard times, but no, she was a hardened pro who loved deep anal and all kinds of role plays. Explanation? As I gradually found out, she'd been working the local guys in the brothels of Kalasin for the last 15 years. Apparently she'd been called to Pattaya as a stop-gap (no pun intended!) during the slow season. In this case it worked out in my favour. However, one is not always lucky. In Oasis (third road) I noticed that they were so short-handed that they rotated their waitresses over the gogo stage. I took a liking for a youngish BBW in a white shirt and a black skirt and bar-fined her. (No problem, even at end-afternoon.) She turned out to be another seasonal from Isaan, and unlike the woman from Kalasin this one had the attitude of the average street girl: "I don't do this; I don't like that; just pay me and be satisfied!"
BambiJacobson
06-26-13, 01:24
See how different country to country and state to state can be. Newly released Calif. Licenses are 4 years. And most countries limit vality to like 5 yrs before a renewal is due, because they want doctors make money checking your health and vision. In all cases I have never heard of 30 years validity...My latest license was issued in 2005 because I lost my old card. It has a renewal date that says 2046. At that time I will be 70. That is the standard in our country that your initial license is valid to your 70th birthday. After that you have to have a check every year or so.
I'm about to crash after a long, almost fruitless night, but came to the conclusion that unless things change, this is not anymore the place that it was and one should come here with expectation greatly reduced.
Enough to say that to just finish the night without an eyesore in the room, I had to raid Beach Road at 6 am, because nothing, anywhere else had worked.
Will elaborate as strength and will come back. For now be reassured that for the spoiled punter it's a sad situation here.
Paul Kausch
06-26-13, 02:08
I'm about to crash after a long, almost fruitless night, and came to the conclusion that unless things changes, this is not anymore the place that it was and one should come here with expectation greatly reduced.
Enough to say that to just finish the night I had to raid Beach Road at 6 am, because nothing, anywhere else had worked.
Will elaborate as strenght and will come back to me. But for now be reassured that for the spoiled punter it's a sad situation here.I've never been a fan of Pattaya. The Stickman Weekly Article that came out this past Sunday does not paint a rosy picture of the place; and several people I know who have visited Pattaya at various times over the past year were unimpressed.
Marcos, Priamos, with my arrival shortly your posts are worthy of Gold to one such as myself. Pattaya is at it's best when in low season, bring on the rain. I shall enjoy even more so, should be bargain basement prices out there, buyers market. Perfect!
Bizaare question: Nearest Tesco to Beach Road? Am I correct in believing there being one on 3rd, South Pattaya Road?
Mr Enternational
06-26-13, 02:53
Bizaare question: Nearest Tesco to Beach Road? Am I correct in believing there being one on 3rd, South Pattaya Road?Small one Soi Buakhao. Big one North Pattaya Road or Sukhumvit.
Will land in Pattaya next week. I love your point of view! It makes perfect sense.
Just wondering, how bad is the flood right now?
Marcos, Priamos, with my arrival shortly your posts are worthy of Gold to one such as myself. Pattaya is at it's best when in low season, bring on the rain. I shall enjoy even more so, should be bargain basement prices out there, buyers market. Perfect!
Went to Nightwish for the first time and had a memorable experience, albeit not a good one.
While I was wakling down Soi 6 I was drawn into Nightwish by a little spinner called Ae (or something that sounds similar). Though I'm all into pooying lek lek she didn't have to ask twice. Got a drink and had a nice chat and some good laughs with her.
Finally I pulled the trigger and barfined her. But before we went up Ae asked me to give her some money so she could buy some condoms, she didn't have any. I was kind of stunned, but gave her 50 THB anyway.
Up in the room we took a shower together and everything still seemed to be fine, but once in the bed, things went downhill.
- obviously Ae isn't I big kisser or at least she doesn't like to kiss me.
- Ae insisted on giving a CBJ even I asked for BBBJ.
- she seemed to get tired early of giving a BJ so she changed to HJ.
- I told her that's not the way I like so she tried to sit on top of me for a cowgirl, couldn't do it and complained about being hurt; jep nidnoi.
That was one turn off too much for me. I dressed up again, told Ae that I wasn't pleased how she was doing things, gave her 500 THB for her "efforts" and left.
I have no idea what went wrong, but I wasn't in the mood to find out. Maybe was reaction was wrong, so feel free to bash me, but I think I couldn't have handled it better or differently. I passed on talking to mamasan about that because I was already pissed off.
I went to straight to Redpoint bar and had a great one hour fuck with Bee. That saved my Soi 6 experience.
LittleBigMan
06-26-13, 13:48
Zauberfee,
Surprise you had that kind of problem at NW, since the owners who also own or related run Skybar and Pussy Club too. They came a year or so ago with the intend of saving Soi 6, from its decline. They throws lots of parties and seem to make sure all the girls there give what the customers like which seem to be all the things you didn't get. Many of the girls working at these bars because of their services level to please are asking BF. 350 which includes the room and 1, 000 for ST, although negotiating one can get lower?
LBM
Went to Nightwish for the first time and had a memorable experience, albeit not a good one.*
Why anybody should bash you, you handled it very well.
I went to straight to Redpoint bar and had a great one hour fuck with Bee. That saved my Soi 6 experience.Is Bee at least attractive? I've never been a supporter of "looks first", but the almost complete lack of them is killing any lust.
Surprise you had that kind of problem at NWYep, I was surprised as well.
Many of the girls working at these bars because of their services level to please .I agree that Nightwish and the girls who work there get many good reviews all over the internet. Obviously I had some kind of bad luck. Fortunately I easily got over it.
Is Bee at least attractive?IMHO she is. Cute face, nice body (albeit with some help of Mr. Wonderbra) , good attitude and a great performer. I don't ask for more
I went to Private Dancer last night, mainly to grab a cheap beer, take a short look at some more or less sexy dancers and then go on.
Fortunately all went differently.
When I entered Private Dancer the bar was already packed with guys, most of them quite "experienced" or you might also say old. Though there were no seats available next to the dancing stage the waitress brought me over to the jacuzzi.
At the jacuzzi I was greeted by showgirl Pat, sticking her pussy in my face. Usually groping a girl at a bar is not my style, but boy obviously I was wrong about that. Pat is definately not a stunner, rather an average looking girl at best who is very cheerful and playful but for some kind of reason I liked her immediately. Therefore I throw all my attitude and preferences overboard, grabbed her ass and started licking her pussy.
From there on things escalated fast.
Drinks loosened up the atmosphere, so more DFK's, more pussy licking, more groping, more fun. And it got "worse" when we were joined by Pat's friend Nok. Nok is way more sexy, but very playful and naughty at the same time. She definately knows who to get guys on in a bar. So even more pussy licking, more DFK's, more fingering, girl-girl pussy licking, girl-girl kissing, tequila shots flown all around and I got a BJ from Nok right in the bar. Sounds great, doesn't it? Was truly great indeed!
So finally I barfined both Pat and Nok. But before we went back to the hotel, we stopped at Babydolls where both girls know a couple of girls and Mamasan the. So more drinks and lot's of fun before we finally went off.
In the room the fun continued. Pat and Nok put on a good show on me, a great threesome for one hour before I finally blew my load. Pat and Nok are not genuine bi-lesbian but they put on a good lesbian show comparable to the show from the Devil Den girls show.
Then I ran out of condoms, ran out of money and ran out of energy and thankfully the girls wanted to leave, I was done for the night (and I still am.)
For those who also went to Private Dancer last night and were offended by what I was doing, I deeply apologize. For those who were pissed off by me because I occupied the showgirls, I apologize as well. But frankly spoken, I don't care at all. I had great fun, the girls had great fun, we simply had a great time. And that's all that did matter to me. Call me egostic, but I still don't care.
A great night. A memorable night. And an expensive night as well. All in all I dropped 8. 000 THB on drinks, more drinks, barfine and the girls. Maybe not enough bang for my buck but hell of a fun anyway.
A great night. A memorable night. And an expensive night as well. All in all I dropped 8. 000 THB on drinks, more drinks, barfine and the girls. Maybe not enough bang for my buck but hell of a fun anyway.Out of curiosity, how much did each girl want for a short time session?
Before I had said that at Marine Disco there were more good looking ones than other places. Well that is not even true. It's just a big averaged mix with no definite good and bad places to go. The Beach girls. Or ladies, are of the same looks and attitudes as the bars ladies, or massage, or discos, everywhere.
If there is a difference, that could be the best go-go, or some "elite" fishbowl, but I don't go to these, so I can't tell. It's like, in theory one could have a good finding anywhere, but the probabilities are equally small for all places.
To explain myself, take Car on the wall, there was one single girl that was attractive, an 8+ in her class, a petite with a very pretty face and body. No other petites. No "elegant-lady I-am-not-an-hooker" styled ones. Nothing worth to take home at any price. But since I had a small issue with her a couple nights before, (when she wanted to dictate to how many places we go and how many drinks we have at 4am, and I did not let her) , it had become a matter of face saving, so I just said hi, she acted a little stupid again, but she had a guy anyway.
Marine disco again. Few and really few pretties, these at 3am invariably have a customer, generally young men. Chances are they meet somewhere else too. A little annoying, is that there are women, aged or not even, of an unbeliavable ugliness, and ladyboys are allowed too, that is kind of unheard for Thai establishments catering to Farangs. Remove the Katoys, add a good hip-hop live show, slighty higher drink prices, and you have Lucifer, where I got the Isaan girl pictured. I can ensure your that this type of body, with a lovely rond ass (the picture doesn't do her justice) is not the average. Just to be clear on the matter, the fair price for LT with a disco pickup is still between 1 and 1. 5, depending on circumstances. Please do not spoil the market especially in the current scarcity.
Mixx, in the late hours is also probably not even worth to go that far. There you to see the overweights being the definite majority. Again, there was a single one good looking smaller girl, she seemed to busy dancing, and distracted. Never insist in these cases. And a couple made-up stuck-ups drinking water, or busy with their tablets, avoid at all cost.
The other dawn when I went to the Beach in recovery mode after the failed trip (more on this laters) , I took a lady that had very good english, good manners and attitude and good looks, being tall and very slim. I tried to say that the disco would have been a better place for her, but she doesn't care for that. They just do pretty much what they are inclined to, be it rational or not, that adds another variable to the equation that we finance.
On this note, I had a couple random girls coming to my room for a trio. They had verbally agreed to the normal demands for the situation, appear relaxed and friendly, then just before we get things moving the older one ask to be paid in advance (1K each). I say no, never. I showed that I had the money and that them being two, they should not worry. She said that since one guy did not paid her once, now it has to be like that. I replied that he was not me, asked how many guys did indeed pay after the fact. No way, they marched out without even asking for taxi money. Their loss really.
I still plan few days in Pattaya, meet with Skogis, we'll see what the night will bring.
Out of curiosity, how much did each girl want for a short time session?They didn't ask for anything, I just gave each of them 2. 000 THB, no one complained about that.
I went to Private Dancer last night, mainly to grab a cheap beer, take a short look at some more or less sexy dancers and then go on. Fortunately all went differently. For those who also went to Private Dancer last night and were offended by what I was doing, I deeply apologize. For those who were pissed off by me because I occupied the showgirls, I apologize as well. But frankly spoken, I don't care at all. I had great fun, the girls had great fun, we simply had a great time. And that's all that did matter to me. Call me egostic, but I still don't care.
A great night. A memorable night. And an expensive night as well. All in all I dropped 8. 000 THB on drinks, more drinks, barfine and the girls. Maybe not enough bang for my buck but hell of a fun anyway.Your time, your fun, your money. One can then remark or comment, but can't judge, IMHO.
I went to Private Dancer last night, mainly to grab a cheap beer, take a short look at some more or less sexy dancers and then go on.
Then I ran out of condoms, ran out of money and ran out of energy and thankfully the girls wanted to leave, I was done for the night (and I still am.) Awesome, man! Unapologetic hedonism! Way to rock the casbah.
- Gunga
DaniChan007
06-27-13, 14:17
I have to really thank everybody on this forum for educating me about the Thai mongering scene. I booked my plane tickets last night. Going to be leaving Tokyo on the 26th of August!
This realy gave me something to look forward to. Add to the fact that several members have mentioned that it is the low season and prices have dropped makes me giggle like a kid in a candy store!
I plan to try a little bit of everything (on top of the regular touristy things I will be doing).
Will the end of August still be the low season? Someone wrote that beach road girls can be found for 500-750 baht. Would the rates for go-go and bar girls also drop down?
If anybody is in the area during those few days, I'd love to get together with some of you. I will treat you guys with some of the beer we grab at the bars.
By the way, what would you say a cmfortable budget is per day, excluding hotel?
Hotman 666
06-27-13, 14:26
A great night. A memorable night. And an expensive night as well.Hi Zauberfee, Sounds as if you had a REALLY GREAT time.
Good for you. We all deserve a treat now and again. After all "it's only money!"
You can always even it out by using "Coconut Bar"at500 Baht a time for the next few days.
Enjoy,
Hotman.
I've never been a fan of Pattaya. The Stickman Weekly Article that came out this past Sunday does not paint a rosy picture of the place; and several people I know who have visited Pattaya at various times over the past year were unimpressed.Well that settles it then. Stickman AND a couple random visitors. Stick a fork in it. It's done.
BambiJacobson
06-27-13, 18:34
I've never been a fan of Pattaya. The Stickman Weekly Article that came out this past Sunday does not paint a rosy picture of the place; and several people I know who have visited Pattaya at various times over the past year were unimpressed.Ok, you have never been a fan.
I read Stickmans article and found it rather useless for any monger considering a visit to Pattaya.
He mainly focus on WS and many mongers knows that WS is a bit touristy. Big deal. Soi 6 is not even mentioned. He mentions soi 7 and 8 which are pretty boring streets IMHO. If he felt that Pattaya is not a prime monger place anymore he should have visited Soi 6 and LK Metro more.
He says that when big name bars are struggling things are bad. That is BS. That is just mongers rejecting these bars attempts to change Pattaya to a place with crazy expensive bars filled with crazy expensive agency girls.
If you and others do not like Pattaya fair enough, I just do not understand why you visit the Pattaya board then? Why not just concentrate on the boards with the destinations you like?
Paul Kausch
06-27-13, 22:21
Well that settles it then. Stickman AND a couple random visitors. Stick a fork in it. It's done.Hey, sorry to hit a sore spot. Just expressing some opinions. Stickman is one very well informed opinion with many years of intimate knowledge of the LOS. And yes, my opinion is based on a couple of random visits, per year over a number of years. I once liked it; no more. I know or know of several guys who went there in the last couple of years. None have any desire to go back. It attracts a certain class of non-sex tourists in ever increasing numbers; the SW are not the most attractive in LOS and are getting less and less attractive; and the beach is lousy. It will appeal to some guys; but it's not for everyone. In my opinion, if one has never visited Pattaya its worth one very short visit before visiting Bangkok.
DaniChan007
06-28-13, 01:18
Raise your standards fella. Prices are down-can't argue with that. You will have your choice of the girls nobody wants to touch with a 10 foot pole.Oh my standards are higher than that. I just didn't know how to gauge the prices during this season. I'm not afraid to pay more for better looking talent.
Thanks!
I once liked it; no more.Pattaya's always changing, that's for sure. It's a different place than it was ten years ago, and was very different again ten years before that. But it's also grown enormously, and has so much on offer that I find it a bit silly to dismiss the whole place. Nobody has to like it, and there are certainly aspects of it that I like a lot less than when I started hanging out there in the late '70s. Still I find plenty to keep me amused, and I know any number of veteran mongers a whole lot more experienced than Mr. Stickman who'd agree. But each to his own.
I've never been a fan of Pattaya. The Stickman Weekly Article that came out this past Sunday does not paint a rosy picture of the place; and several people I know who have visited Pattaya at various times over the past year were unimpressed.Ah, Stickman, the absolute expert in LOS; give me a break. Anyone that sits behind a computer for days and weeks on end has to be the expert; not quite.
Have you been to Pattaya? If so, how many times?
So if Pattaya is not as good as other places in the world to practice this sport of mine; then where do you suggest is better? Quantity, quality, venues, beaches, and value. Where should I go!
Wait, I should ask Stickman, who never leaves LOS, and for good reason; it rules!
Paul Kausch
06-28-13, 18:53
Pattaya's always changing, that's for sure. It's a different place than it was ten years ago, and was very different again ten years before that. But it's also grown enormously, and has so much on offer that I find it a bit silly to dismiss the whole place. Nobody has to like it, and there are certainly aspects of it that I like a lot less than when I started hanging out there in the late '70s. Still I find plenty to keep me amused, and I know any number of veteran mongers a whole lot more experienced than Mr. Stickman who'd agree. But each to his own.Your point is well taken; I don't think Stickman is the authority on Thailand; and he seems to know more about Bangkok than Pattaya. I find his weekly column to be worthwhile reading, especially for a first time or infrequent visitor.
The last time I was in Pattaya, in 2007, the non-sex tourists were noticeably on the increase and I had no desire to ever go back. I should mention over about 20 years I've spent a fair amount of time in East and SE Asia, on business, not as a sex tourist. Pattaya was a little side trip I'd take from time to time when in Bangkok. I never bothered to keep track of the names and specific establishments. I just knew generally where to find the SW's. So I never had deep knowledge of the place and my opinions are based on a couple dozen one or two day visits spread out over about 15 years.
My motivation was to make it clear to first time visitors that they should do their research and have realistic expectation to avoid disappointment.
For what it's worth, I have a friend who first visited Pattaya in 1968. He flew a helicopter in another SE Asian country back in those days. I grew up with a few other guys who spent involuntary time in the region in the late 60's. They love to talk about sleeping on the beach, eating the best freshly cooked chicken and spending time with the sweetest young ladies. They claims there was no such thing as ST. They'd hook up with a sweetie and be taken care of until it was time to go back to work. They'd give the girls however many baht they had left in their pocket, not knowing whether they'd be back or taking their next trip in a box. The girls were happy with that. Of course these guys were in their early twenties and in pretty good shape from long walks in the countryside carrying a bunch of gear. I get the impression the girls were just happy to spend a few days with a young American GI. They had fun for free and got a little money when they said goodbye. That was enough for them. In the mid 2000's a couple of these guys went back to revisit Vietnam and do a little tour of the region, including Pattaya and Bangkok. They found the changes shocking.
Like I wrote in a previous post, if you have a couple days to spare it's worthwhile seeing Pattaya at least once, but it has changed dramatically over the years.
Wait, I should ask Stickman, who never leaves LOS, and for good reason; it rules!The problem isn't that he doesn't leave Thailand but that he, or whoever is running the site now, hasn't been a real player for years. Stickman was one of a number of fellows who got here back here in the first boom years of international sex tourism (the '90s or so, I forget) and within a few months set himself up online as an authority. His usual line was 'I'm not expert but', after which he'd pontificate like an expert. Then he got married and, worse yet, involved his wife in his website. So his ability to do any real research was pretty much hopelessly compromised, at which point he had to begin relying on outside contributors.
I know he has or at least had fans among tourists and newbies but I don't think anybody who's lived here for a while takes him too seriously. If he doesn't like Pattaya, well that's fine but I suspect he doesn't know more than a small percentage of what goes on there. So my advice to anyone is, check the place out. If you don't like it, that's OK. But at least decide on your own.
Paul Kausch
06-28-13, 20:55
Ah, Stickman, the absolute expert in LOS; give me a break. Anyone that sits behind a computer for days and weeks on end has to be the expert; not quite.I think he knows quite a bit about Bangkok. And I wouldn't call him a bad journalist. Well, come to think of it, I wouldn't call him a journalist. His website is designed to attract advertising; and years ago a senior VP at Viacom told me,"what you call content is just filler in between the commercials." You'll learn far, far more about mongering in LOS on ISG. However, I think his column is one place to get some good information about Bangkok. I think it best serves guys who are just beginning to learn about the city. But hey, you might get lucky, identify the location of one of the photos and win a free burrito! I find it a way to keep up with some of the changes while I'm away, for example: the renovations as NEP, the demise of the artist bars, the proliferation of ladyboy bars in NEP, and some of the changes in names and ownership of bars. His most recent column confirmed that what I began to notice in Pattaya in 2004 and 2005 is far worse now. I can appreciate that a perceptive person who is a long time resident of Bangkok gets limited value out of his column. And some of you may be able to write a better column. I'm serious!
Have you been to Pattaya? If so, how many times?As I mention in another post about twenty-five time from the early 90's to 2005. And I have buddies who have told me many stories about what it was like in the late 1960's.
So if Pattaya is not as good as other places in the world to practice this sport of mine; then where do you suggest is better? Quantity, quality, venues, beaches, and value. Where should I go!If you're looking for sex, economy and some sort of a beach it's not a bad place. My problems with it are there are far better beaches in Thailand and far prettier SW in Bangkok. But you can get drunk and frequently fucked for far less than in Bangkok. I'd rather book a good looker in Bangkok and a small villa in Hua Hin for a few days and enjoy much better beaches at what I find to be a much more pleasant locale. However, I think it would be stupid or cruel to suggest anyone go to Hua Hin for mongering.
I know he has or at least had fans among tourists and newbies but I don't think anybody who's lived here for a while takes him too seriously. If he doesn't like Pattaya, well that's fine but I suspect he doesn't know more than a small percentage of what goes on there. So my advice to anyone is, check the place out. If you don't like it, that's OK. But at least decide on your own.Agree! If you're going to Bangkok and have a couple of extra days you really should visit Pattaya. Once. Just don't expect a nice beach and lots of good looking SW; and expect to be gawked at by the throngs of "regular tourist." If it meets your needs, great. Some guys are going to be disappointed unless they have very modest expectations; and it's definitely no longer for me.
Raise your standards fella. Prices are down-can't argue with that. You will have your choice of the girls nobody wants to touch with a 10 foot pole.Indeed he will have his choice of girls that nobody wants to touch. However he will most likely come across a good number of nice looking lasses, (as I always do) without the attitude that those in go-go's have and he would have to pay many times more for!
Enjoy DaniChan.
Sir Lancelot
06-29-13, 00:31
Nobodys hating on Pattaya. We are just truthfully informing people of what its like there. It is not filled with beauties. Never has been and probably never will be.For anyone planning a visit to Pattaya you might want to ignore Harold's comments. He admitted recently that he has never been to Pattaya and never will go. His main reason for this by his own admission is that a Bangkok gogo girl told him that the girls are ugly! You couldn't make it up. Harold lecturing us on Pattaya is like the Queen of England running a gangster rap seminar.
Mr Enternational
06-29-13, 04:18
The last time I was in Pattaya, in 2007, the non-sex tourists were noticeably on the increase and I had no desire to ever go back.Are you saying that you let non-sex tourists get in your way? Last time I checked most places that have mongering also have non-sex tourists, especially Bangkok.
Like I wrote in a previous post, if you have a couple days to spare it's worthwhile seeing Pattaya at least once, but it has changed dramatically over the years.Everything and everyone change dramatically over the years. Change is part of life and society. We change, but expect the things around us to stay the same? The main thing is that there is still cheap pussy and I can still get it. That definitely has not changed.
For what it's worth, I have a friend who first visited Pattaya in 1968. Of course these guys were in their early twenties and in pretty good shape from long walks in the countryside carrying a bunch of gear. I get the impression the girls were just happy to spend a few days with a young American GI. They had fun for free and got a little money when they said goodbye. That was enough for them. In the mid 2000's a couple of these guys went back to revisit Vietnam and do a little tour of the region, including Pattaya and Bangkok. They found the changes shocking.This still exists. Did your friends happen to mention if at that time there were guys the age they are now doing that same thing back then? I seriously doubt there were. The biggest variable is that your friends were young back then. Now they are in what their upper 60s at least?
When I was a young GI, I was stationed in San Diego and would run down to the discos in Tijuana every weekend. Me and my shipmates were able to pick up young chicks by the pound for free. Now that I'm 41 I don't moan about how back then I could go into Tequila Sunrise drinking Dos Equis all night and meet a 19 year old and go to the closest motel, but the place has gone to shit because today it no longer works out that way for me. I would look and feel pretty ridiculous going back to those same clubs trying to pick up 18-20 year-old women who crossed the border to drink and party. But I have no doubt that today there are still guys who are the age that I was back then doing those same things this weekend. These days I instead go the opposite way to the fuck clubs and hooker alley where I know someone of my age is accepted and not out of place.
Paul Kausch
06-29-13, 05:25
Are you saying that you let non-sex tourists get in your way? Last time I checked most places that have mongering also have non-sex tourists, especially Bangkok.It was 2007, or 2005, or maybe 2006 when I last visited Pattaya. In the early 1990's and for the next ten years or so I remember it as a compact place filled with nothing but mongers and sex workers. The last time I was there I began to notice increasing number of non-sex tourists who were treating the people working either side of the sex trade as a dirty show to gawk at. The gawkers annoyed me. That alone was not enough to keep me away. It was the just proverbial straw. Equally noticeable and important was a significant decline in the looks and attitude of the SW. Add to that the increasing congestion and I had enough!
Everything and everyone change dramatically over the years. Change is part of life and society. The main thing is that there is still cheap pussy and I can still get it. That definitely has not changed.Good point. I have certainly change; and this may be part of why I like Pattaya less than I used to. Hell, when I was in my 20's I'd get drunk as a skunk in Nassau, pass out on the beach, wake up the next afternoon and think nothing of it. Of course that was in the 1960's. I wouldn't try that today. In part because I would expect to get hauled in; in part because I'm too old.
This still exists. The biggest variable is that your friends were young back then. Now they are in what their upper 60s at least? When I was a young GI I was stationed in San Diego and would run down to the discos in Tijuana every weekend. I was able to pick up young chicks by the pound for free. Now that I'm 41 I would look and feel pretty ridiculous going back to those same clubs trying to pick up 18-20 year-old women who crossed the border to drink and party. These days I instead go the opposite way to the fuck clubs and hooker alley.Pattaya in the 1960's before the war escalated was a fishing village. There was no sex industry there. It started with a few GIs hooking up with few young Thai ladies who were already there. The GIs told stories about their experiences, which attracted more GIs, which started to draw young women to the village. The formal sex industry grew out of this. My friends are in their late 60s. They went back for some nostalgia, to satisfy a bit of curiosity and probably to finally rid themselves of a demon or two. But I do agree with your general point.
- I'll be in Patts 8 Aug to 11 Sep (with a coupla nights in Phnom Penh to do a visa renewal) so if anyone wants to meet up for a drink PM me or contact me on my Thai cellphone 091-583-2295. I'll be staying at the Jasmine Hotel.
www.jasminehotel-pattaya.com
- My previous TRs I've posted on ISG are available for download from.
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- Hope to catch Mr. Enternational, LittleBigMan, and any other cool BMs in paradise.
The biggest variable is that your friends were young back then. Now they are in what their upper 60s at least?
When I was a young GI, I was stationed in San Diego and would run down to the discos in Tijuana every weekend. Me and my shipmates were able to pick up young chicks by the pound for free. These days I instead go the opposite way to the fuck clubs and hooker alley where I know someone of my age is accepted and not out of place.Amen brother. I was going to make the same point. It seems like a never-ending point raised by monger after monger. I think it is undoubtedly true that LOS is changing, but so are we. This makes objective measurement quite difficult really, and it gives newbies the false impression that there is not much to see here.
I entered Walking Street around 10 pm and was amazed at how many tourists there were. I had not yet read this thread. There where busloads of Asian tourists and streetdancing shows in the street. For me this was a surprise since I haven't visited Pattaya for ten years. Fat white men were parading their fat white wives and (!) their fat little kids through walking street. European women in groups of four or five could be seen shaking their heads at the decadence, stealing feigned troubled glances at korean tourists whom they obviously mistook for thai working girls. When a group of japanese youngsters came up to me to have their pictures taken with a "genuine sex tourist" I finally understood that I was part of the tourist attraction and quickly made my way up a quiet alley to catch my breath and a ride to LK Metro.
There are certainly non-sex tourists in all red light districts but I have yet to see one that beats Walking Street 2013 in terms of quantity at such a late hour. LK Metro was IMO much better in terms of clientele. I visited two GoGos along the street, in the first one there was a diabolical lineup with at least four or five real lookers. There were so many girls in there it was hard to choose what to look at. Unfortunately a very drunk and clingy girl landed her ass in my lap as soon as I had sat down and wouldn't let go for the first three drinks I had there, at last I bought her a couple of lady drinks and tried to enjoy the action seeing that I wouldn't be able to barfine any of the girls because of the little lepricon incessantly grabbing my balls. She wasn't ugly at all but definitely not good looking enough to pay GoGo prices for. From here I moved on to Champagne a GoGo which I remember the name of as I had read about it somewhere beforehand. This night there were no knockouts on stage but still pretty good dance shows here as well.
Something that really has improved in comparision to my remembrance of the Pattaya of old is the dancing. I guess that this is an effect of the GoGo-scene now also catering to non-sex tourists? Every GoGo-bar I visited had dedicated dancers and several of them had shows with different gear and bodypaint and being able to behold such splendor for free and drink drinks for half the price of what I would pay back home was simply amazing. Now having been told that it was better after midnight I found myself back at Walking Street. In the second place I visited a girl who looked very young threw herself at me and I had a drink with her and mamasan. Girl didn't speak a word of English and got totally wasted from a couple of drinks. However she was extremely cute and as both she and mamasan were practically begging me to barfine her I asked to see her identification because was really unsure about her age (guess this might have been silly since she works in establishment on Walking Street?). She had indeed just turned 18 so I barfined her and took her back for short time. Very good but sleepy bom bom. I walked her back to the GoGo bar because I actually doubted she would find her way herself.
Finding myself back in the midst of pussy I had little choice but to try to find myself a companion for the way back to my hotel as well. Now I was in for a surprise however. In the two first GoGos I visited I negotiated barfine and price with ladies of my choice only to find the mamasan insisting on me paying the shorttime / longtime-fine directly to her instead of to the girl after proper and finished service. At the first occasion I interpreted this as some friendly scamming on mamasans part and tried to kindly negotiate it but she stood her ground. The second time I said no thank you again of course but started to wonder if it was a pattern or just two incidents.
The third place I went to still had a good looking girl and as chemistry was good I decided to barfine her. She tells me 600 for barfine and 1500 bath for her. Mamasan tells me 1000 barfine. The time is now between 2 and 3 pm. I say 'girl say 600? ' Mamasan says 'girl cayote'. Mamasan hauls her fat ass off and I ask the girl (out of curiousity, no wish for hassle with after hours tete-a-tete) when she gets off. She tells me with sparkling eyes: in 10 minutes. I still have a hard time understanding why the mamasan was so rigid about the high barfine if its only ten minutes left of the evening. Is it because she wants her cayote-gem to be topnotch for tomorrows dancing? Do the mamasans in general prefer it if their best girls are not barfined? All three mamasans seemed happy with me picking up my tab without barfining. Two because they wanted the girls money in advance and one because hassle with barfine. Are the best looking GoGo-girls turning into strippers?
The fourth place I went to a girl in her late twenties graciously sank down next to me and stroke my cock through my pants. Very good chemistry and good looking so decided to make another try with barfine. Was almost surprised when I could take her home but I guess that she was not a coyote-girl. Extremely good sex all night a real deamon of love.
Chokdee Chin
07-01-13, 08:43
Bullshit, and, that is the problem, that's why they are so xenophobic and definitely backward. But, on the other hand, they have been colonized and are totally owned by the Chinese who will not let the Farangs have the same chances as they took.
BambiJacobson
07-01-13, 23:49
For anyone planning a visit to Pattaya you might want to ignore Harold's comments. He admitted recently that he has never been to Pattaya and never will go. His main reason for this by his own admission is that a Bangkok gogo girl told him that the girls are ugly! You couldn't make it up. Harold lecturing us on Pattaya is like the Queen of England running a gangster rap seminar.I have had this dushe on ignore from a very early stage when I first joined ISG. I urge other Pattaya brothers to do the same. He is just a troll who wants to argue about Pattaya. As stated he has never even been!
The attached photo is how his trolling is shown when I read the forum.
Today for the first time. 7-eleven is applying the rules about alchool sales hours. Family Mart doesn't. This huge piece of hipocricy is idiotic enough across all Thailand, but seeing it applyed here, it's just appalling.
Naked Lie: good post especially as your first. What you have seen, despite apparent indications to the contrary, is a seller market. Wouldn't you mind mentioning the place where you took your bounty home, and the related money arrangements. Right now there is simply not enough good freely stuff visible, so that kind of intel became precious. Post the good girl's name and you will become a Forum Saint at posts No. 2.
Me myself have scouted all the know places again tonight - no available quality girls available, tons of lowgrades. Seems like now it's the right time to earn more - and spend as twice as much.
Bullshit, and, that is the problem, that's why they are so xenophobic and definitely backward. But, on the other hand, they have been colonized and are totally owned by the Chinese who will not let the Farangs have the same chances as they took.In the second sentence, you're very off way. China, if ever, has colonized Thaiiland only for brief periods, one thousand years ago, and pretty much nothing of that is left in Thai culture. Admittedly some of the upper and medium class including the present PM are of remote Chinese ethnic origin but do not speak Chinese and have nothing to do with them anymore. China does not have a large industrial presence in Thailand, they own no factories and no farms, and have no major business here. China has never politically influenced Thailand, that has always been a staunch anti-communist country. The biggest foreign investor in Thailand is Japan with all the familiar brand names, exported worldwide. They build high quality products and are highly respected as country of high values, and rich individuals. Go check to who the high-end clubs and soapies in BKK cater to. The regular Chinese foreign or tourist is seen as a necessary nuisance by most Thais just like as a Westerner is.
NeverGetsOld
07-02-13, 02:59
=Marcos; 1441147]Today for the first time. 7-eleven is applying the rules about alchool sales hours. Family Mart doesn't. This huge piece of hipocricy is idiotic enough across all Thailand, but seeing it applyed here, it's just appalling.I know it was like this 2+ months ago in Bangkok when a girl and myself had to wait until 2 in the morning to buy Breezer's. Afterwards, we strolled down the sidewalk drinking when 2 police stopped us. Gave them our ID's and the girl told them that we were walking home and I live here. No problem. Police left.
Naked Lie: good post especially as your first. What you have seen, despite apparent indications to the contrary, is a seller market. Wouldn't you mind mentioning the place where you took your bounty home, and the related money arrangements. Right now there is simply not enough good freely stuff visible, so that kind of intel became precious. Post the good girl's name and you will become a Forum Saint at posts No. 2...Thanks! All I remember since I didn't plan to write a report are the prices. 600bf+2000st+500tip for the first cutie and 600bf+2000st+1000tip / turned into longtime since she didn't leave until noon next day. Last time I was in Pattaya 2000 was very much for GoGo-longtime but now it seems to be standard for short time?
Guess you are right about the seller market. Come to think of it only one gogo-bar I went to offered quality in quantity. This one was on LK Metro and I think there are only maybe 3 gogo bars there so if it is the same lineup and the girls are available for takeout this would probably be a good place to go. The rest had a number of good looking girls but only one or no stunners. Instead either a little to many years on girls who might very well have been knockouts in the past, or young and a little cute but nothing special. The less good looking GoGo-girls I have seen this time around are interchangeable with the best looking beach road / Soi 6 girls I have seen.
Just a small episode to say how much things are messed up in Pattaya.
Ladyboys and gays are not admitted at discos in Thailand, for reasons that are easy to understand. But at Marine, at least some of them are. Now, I could even understand letting in the drag queen looking ones, that can dance on the podiums and do a bit of show without causing any problem. They are so evident and can add some show and liveliness to the place.
But they other night there were two already older 'ladies', of the 'low key' kind that will try to deceive who is naive enough. They invited me to the table and really tried to start a conversation. They are there just because the business could sell one more whiskey bottle. Bad really.
Hey Mate. Hopping back into Pattaya around that time. See you again!
- I'll be in Patts 8 Aug to 11 Sep (with a coupla nights in Phnom Penh to do a visa renewal) so if anyone wants to meet up for a drink PM me or contact me on my Thai cellphone 091-583-2295. I'll be staying at the Jasmine Hotel.
www.jasminehotel-pattaya.com
- My previous TRs I've posted on ISG are available for download from.
http://sdrv.ms/ZFnufH
- Hope to catch Mr. Enternational, LittleBigMan, and any other cool BMs in paradise.
Just a small episode to say how much things are messed up in Pattaya.
Ladyboys and gays are not admitted at discos in Thailand, for reasons that are easy to understand.Well. Explain why then!
Kind of discrimination comment IMO.
There's many place like disco, bar etc just for gays.
Generally they don't mix up with hetero.
Yes Lbs are allowed now in Marine with a 100 baht note for the doorman.
Everyone has something to sell. If you're not interested so just say no and let everyone live their lives.
Sir Lancelot
07-02-13, 18:40
I entered Walking Street around 10 pm and was amazed at how many tourists there were.Haha, I too found the number of tourists on Walking Street staggering. It was a bizarre mix of people, with mongers outnumbered by families, couples and even huge tour groups of middle-aged Japanese women following their flustered tour-guide, flag raised high. In my diary I said "It doesn't feel like a red light district, it feels like Angkor what with nudity and neon". I sat at a bar overlooking Walking Street and wondered what percentage of people walking past were guys like you and I, looking to find a girl. I reckoned maybe a third, perhaps less. To be honest, I didn't really mind but the problem is that it seems to be affecting things inside the bar as the bar-fines are notably higher, sometimes as high as 1000 baht. My friend suggested this was because bars wanted to keep their best girls inside the bar so they could make their money from lady-drinks. It makes sense when there are so many regular tourists around. Like you I went to Soi LK Metro and found it much more easy-going without the large tour-groups. If you're still in Pattaya, you might like to try The Office in Soi LK Metro, preferably before midnight, as there was some really pretty girls when I visited.
By the way thanks for the excellent report.
"It doesn't feel like a red light district, it feels like Angkor what with nudity and neon".Well put and I agree that the business philosophy of GoGo-bars now seems to be as much money as possible in the bar and as little as possible outside. But somewhere the girls wages much suffer or do they get a fat percentage out of the bar? In past times they were not happy with a lady drink, they craved to please longtime shorttime whatever (someone will say that it is my fading looks but I have never much believed in this as a big factor for the girls). Last time I was in Pattaya I always bought myself a drink and one for the lady I was planning to barfine and this was always accepted but now it seems to be extremely much hustling everytime I want to leave with one of the top notch dancers.
Was on GoGo-hunt again today and ran into the same problem again. This time I waited until 2 pm because I just felt that I wanted a GoGo-princess and not enjoying shows, partly because I was fed up with the shows after my last very beautiful GoGo-evening but also because I felt that I was part of the problem buying one lady drink here and one lady drink there in several different places without getting the girl I desired.
Walking straight into SweetHearts a GoGo I immediately spot the cayote-gem of the place making love to the dance pole, getting all the stares from the few customers at hand. I try my best to show my affection and after her shift is finished she comes to sit down with me to hassle me for drinks. I buy her a drink. She asks me to buy one for her friend. I say whatever and then asks how much to go.
She is reluctant, would obviously rather see that I stay and pay for drinks than go back to room. I offer her 3000 bath for "medium" time (7 pm) and a VERY generous tip if I am happy with service (sorry for raising the prices but really just wanted to do her and could sense how little engagement there was on her part for turning tricks) and she discusses this at length with her friend and from the little thai I've picked up over the years I understand them agreeing that I am very drunk and that it will all soon be over and she will get a good nights sleep, she goes with this explanation to mamasan who does not look happy but finally lets her go. Also this girl (Mee) asked me to pay in advance in bar and I must ask after getting this request 10 times, are there mongers who actually agree to this? A hassle to small to mention is that Mee tells me barfine 600 and on bill comes 700. Yawn.
Mee is a very beautiful slender girl, not really the knockout body but she has the face, gaze and moves of a true GoGo-princess. The problem was getting her engaged in the act as all she did on the way to the hotel was try to prolong things as much as possible. When getting to my room on the seventh floor she asks if she can smoke a cigarette although she knows very well that it is a non smoking room "oh, I have to go down?", I say "no smoke in window while I shower". I bang my head against the wall while showering and wonder how I can get a good boom out of this woman. I go back and she gives me the striptease she has promised which is very tired to say the least. The clothes come of slow but not in any teasing kind of manner. She goes to shower.
I lay in the bed wondering if her shower will eat up the rest of our three hours together but she comes out quickly and seems preoccupied, goes back in the shower for another minute and comes out again. Like a new girl. I can't understand what has happened but all of a sudden she is standing above me doing her GoGo routine right in my face, I lay rocking underneath stroking my cock and aiming long loving licks at her tits and ass. Never in my life have I had such a spectacular dance aimed solely at my humble person. I fuck her in every angle possible, she moans and gives herself to me totally, screams when I spank her ass and pulls her hair and does not complain no matter how hard I fuck her or bend her legs. After the pornstar fuck of my life I finish screaming in her face.
I start looking for my pants to pay her and realize that I've managed to do the stupidest thing one could possibly do with a working girl. Leave my wallet in the shower with her. She has graciously enough only helped herself to 2000 bath which was probably what I was going to tip her anyway in the current state of bliss. She is very nervous now but keeps a straight and pleading face and I count up 3000 bath and then I add one 100-bath bill and say "tip". She obviously does not complain but just leaves.
I give this experience 10/10 pussies but also conclude that extraordinary things must happen in order for me to get a great lay from the GoGos on walking street nowadays.
I start looking for my pants to pay her and realize that I've managed to do the stupidest thing one could possibly do with a working girl. Leave my wallet in the shower with her. She has graciously enough only helped herself to 2000 bath which was probably what I was going to tip her anyway in the current state of bliss. She is very nervous now but keeps a straight and pleading face and I count up 3000 bath and then I add one 100-bath bill and say "tip". She obviously does not complain but just leaves.
I give this experience 10/10 pussies but also conclude that extraordinary things must happen in order for me to get a great lay from the GoGos on walking street nowadays.And people wonder why things are so fucked up with the girls in Pattaya these days!
Mongers are the only ones to blame!
And people wonder why things are so fucked up with the girls in Pattaya these days!
Mongers are the only ones to blame!I can understand your reaction but let me assure you that this is the one and only time during my trip that I will pay 5000 for any girl and this only because very good looking and outstanding experience.
Forgetting my pants was extremely sloppy though but the fault was all mine and if you would have expected me to lecture her or something I think you overrate a mongers possibilities to affect the morals of a working girl. There is no way she is not going to try and take money if she gets such an obvious chance.
And people wonder why things are so fucked up with the girls in Pattaya these days!
Mongers are the only ones to blame!Exactly what I was going to to say. No matter how loaded one is, readily agreeing to buy a lady drink for her friend, ignoring the wrong bar fine, planning to tip 2000 Baht, ending up paying 5000+ for short time. These are simply not what a "responsible" (if I may even use that word) monger would do. With another 10 mongers like this, the girls would of course start to expect more for less services, and scoff at you if you refuse to let her take advantage of you.
Well. Explain why then!I've spoken my opinion, and you have spoken yours. No need to explain if you can't get what is wrong with that.
Please le me understand because I'm not sure.
Also this girl (Mee) asked me to pay in advance in bar and I must ask after getting this request 10 times, are there mongers who actually agree to this? A hassle to small to mention is that Mee tells me barfine 600 and on bill comes 700. Yawn.So you paid 3000 at the club, correct?
I start looking for my pants to pay her and realize that I've managed to do the stupidest thing one could possibly do with a working girl. Leave my wallet in the shower with her. She has graciously enough only helped herself to 2000 bath which was probably what I was going to tip her anyway in the current state of bliss. She is very nervous now but keeps a straight and pleading face and I count up 3000 bath and then I add one 100-bath bill and say "tip". She obviously does not complain but just leaves.In normal words, she took money from your wallet? And then you added more?
Sorry, but I have a very bad feeling about what you've made of all that.
I don't know if you know, but stealing is not the norm and is not acceptable in Thailand, not even between a drunk customer and a prostitute.
Are you sure you haven't spent or just lost these before?
Member #4698
07-03-13, 13:46
And people wonder why things are so fucked up with the girls in Pattaya these days! Mongers are the only ones to blame!On my God! Unbelievable report, but unfortunately I believe it. I don't want to flame, actually I want to thank Naked Lie for posting his report so honestly and fearlessly. The report illustrates a certain mind set many western men, who have been beaten down all their lives by the fem-Nazi culture in their home country, bring with them to LOS. I guess you can take the beaten up, broken down western male ego out of his native country, put him into the heart of the wild East, but you can't take the broken down western male ego out of the man. He will always act like he does not have a dick and is beholden to women for giving him a little of their honey.
Naked, I am glad you think you had a good time, but you did just about everything wrong. You need to reevaluate your mind set and get your shit together. It is not too late to get it right and reclaim your manhood. Yes, you succeeded in getting your dick wet in Pattaya. So what? I was horror struck by your attitude and the way you let the girl walk all over you and take complete charge from the very beginning. Start with thinking the girl is doing you a favor to let you bar fine her. Its Bizarro World where everything is the opposite of the way it really is. The worst part is when you discovered that the girl stole 2000bt from you and you didn't say or do anything about it. In fact you continued your Bizarro behavior and shelled out another 3000bt and convinced yourself she was a great girl who showed you a great time. Are you insane? Do you really think you had a great session? Start with accepting the truth, then you can work to fix the problem. LOS is one of the greatest mongering destinations in the world. What you did was the equivalent of pouring a bottle of kechup on your dry-aged Waguu steak or mixing sprite with a glass of Grand Cru Chateau Latour.
I don't know if you know, but stealing is not the norm and is not acceptable in Thailand, not even between a drunk customer and a prostitute.
Are you sure you haven't spent or just lost these before?It is not the norm, it is not "acceptable" (by whom?) , but that shit happens.
It is not the norm, it is not "acceptable" (by whom?) , but that shit happens.It is not acceptable as in, if it happens to you and you know who has done it, you must raise hell until the money is returned.
Stealing from customers does not give a girl a good reputation with her friends. Fucking good, talking sweet and extracting money from multiple sponsors surely does. And I agree with that.
Thailand is not Africa or Latin America, here who steals gets in trouble, Falang or Thai. I've seen that happen many times.
A man with balls should now go barfine Bee, fuck the shit out of her brains, leave some cash around, as soon she makes the wrong move she's bust, major loss of face and a lesson she will remember.
Although my last report met with some upset feelings I would like to describe also my outside gogo-action in Pattaya. First to clarify my stance and some facts on my last report: I did not pay 3000 in the bar. I paid a barfine (700). Altogether I spent 5000 excluding barfine but including the 2000 she treated herself too.
I understand that my budget might be offensive to expats who make it an artform to get any girl without paying a higher price but I am here for limited time. This budget of 5000 was what I in advance had set my mind to pay for a really good session with the hottest girl in one of the GoGo-bars. This I based on already taking home 5-6 girls of fine appearance from the GoGo-bars this time around in Pattaya, paying each no more than 3000 including tip for longtime. However I had had problems getting the mamasan to let go of her best looking entertainers. Feeling more comfortable with giving the girl a higher price than paying an overpriced barfine I greased the girl to get her to convince mamasan to let her go.
3000 and a very good tip for VERY good service was my plan to ensure a good session. If I'm going to spend that much on shorttime because of the quality of the girl I feel that I can just as well try and ensure great service as well. Has worked good for me in the past. Unfortunately it became apparent to me during our initial socializing that she was not planning to offer any good service at all. Maybe because she thought I was insincere about paying her a good tip or paying her at all, she suggested something like this at some point.
Now as for me having a broken down western male ego. This might very well be true from your perspective Natty Bumpo. For me the only important thing is that the sex is up to my expectations or better for the price I feel is according to market after scouting. If the girl steals part of that money from me at some point and feels in control and can offer a fantastic fuck because of it, or if she gives me a fantastic fuck without hassle and I tip her is of less importance to me. Especially in this case where she obviously would have given me a horrible fuck for 3000 resulting in no tip on my part. This would have hurt my male ego. That is all up to the gentleman I guess what you discern as important for the dick-ego. Someone will surely answer that he always gets great performance out of the girls and that this is therefore not a consideration to him. Hats off.
Soi 6:
I awoke quite sore from my wondrous action the night before and it took a couple of singhas for me to feel quite right again. I visited soi 6 when the worst scorching heat was leaving Pattaya. Found a really cute girl (in comparision with the other ladies there very very very cute) on the first bar on right hand side after midway passage to soi 6/1. I did not understand her name, mamasan told me it was her first day but she spoke some english and had very good skills. Def. Young though, not more than 20 I would say very possibly younger. She had a good body especially ass which she stuck in air while sucking me so I could enjoy in the mirror on the wall. She took very intense and long session with no complaints and let me finish in face and breast. I tipped her 200 (sorry about that). Altogether 1200.
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Checking out the bliss lounge the current BJ-bar in Pattaya (are there any more of them?) on third road was also a very good experience for me. I walked up to the door and nodded to a girl I thought looked like she could bob good head. She hisses at me and points to another angry little girl just across from her. Realizing that I have interrupted some kind of an argument I thread very gently behind the very petite and cute girl. She gave me the angriest blowjob I ever got and it was great. A bit painful at times but great. She pushed my hands away everytime I tried to touch her but with the energy she put into it I didn't need other stimuli.
The Devil's Den had a really good lineup and the experience in these establishments are always memorable but this was maybe a little less so than usual. Picked the two best looking girls, one from each side the line but yet anal whines about having to do it. However very good session rest of it probably more than 90 minutes.
I hope my reports can be of some help as I have had much use of the information here myself, maybe someone can learn from my mistakes!
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A couple of months ago, I saw some members had posted recommendations for a specific taxi service for BKK. Pattaya trips. At the time, I was just going to take the bus, but I've since changed my mind and now I can't find the taxi's website. I'm still going to keep searching the forum, but I will be arriving at BKK on July 8 and was hoping someone could post or PM me that website if you have it handy. Thanks.
Sorry, but I have a very bad feeling about what you've made of all that.
1) I don't know if you know, but stealing is not the norm and is not acceptable in Thailand, not even between a drunk customer and a prostitute.
2) Are you sure you haven't spent or just lost these before?1) I'm not saying that stealing is revered in Thailand generally but of course the hardened working girls will take their chances if they think that they can get away with it. Maybe you like me have such rigid routines for everything that you do not quite remember why anymore? Had I raised hell she would surely have given them back but I saw little meaning in this seeing that I was planning on giving them to her anyway.
2) yes. I have great experience in being drunk and always know what's in my wallet.
Thanks for the support but I am not interested in crucifying the girl I thought it would simply be interpreted as a pleasant anecdote. Had I known that the story would infuriate members here I would not have told it.
A couple of months ago, I saw some members had posted recommendations for a specific taxi service for BKK. Pattaya trips. At the time, I was just going to take the bus, but I've since changed my mind and now I can't find the taxi's website. I'm still going to keep searching the forum, but I will be arriving at BKK on July 8 and was hoping someone could post or PM me that website if you have it handy. Thanks.Very reliable service from http://www.pattayataxi.info/
Mr Enternational
07-03-13, 21:48
I can understand your reaction but let me assure you that this is the one and only time during my trip that I will pay 5000 for any girl and this only because very good looking and outstanding experience.
Forgetting my pants was extremely sloppy though but the fault was all mine and if you would have expected me to lecture her or something I think you overrate a mongers possibilities to affect the morals of a working girl. There is no way she is not going to try and take money if she gets such an obvious chanceBullshit. With most of the women I bring to my room I could leave a stack of 1000 baht bills on the dresser and they would not go near it. If one blew off the dresser onto the floor because of the fan they would just point at it instead of picking it up. Because they would know if they dared touch something in my room that was not theirs then they would have hell to pay, not extra money in the form of a tip.
BambiJacobson
07-03-13, 23:02
Bullshit. With most of the women I bring to my room I could leave a stack of 1000 baht bills on the dresser and they would not go near it. If one blew off the dresser onto the floor because of the fan they would just point at it instead of picking it up. Because they would know if they dared touch something in my room that was not theirs then they would have hell to pay, not extra money in the form of a tip.I second this. I have had several girls in my room where I leave my pants on the floor with my wallet still in them. Never ever has anything been taken from them ie stolen. Especially a gogo girl you know where she works and she knows you know!
Do not know which hotel you were at but at my hotel the guards would have pretty much strip searched her if I said she stole from me.
I am not really sure if I believe your story, maybe you just lost the cash, but I feel like confronting the girl with it when I arrive next month.
I have been using Mr. T's service for years now. Just used it from BKK (Asoke Area to View Talay 6, Pattaya for 1, 000bt)."Mr. T Taxi" <mr_ttaxi@hotmail.com
A couple of months ago, I saw some members had posted recommendations for a specific taxi service for BKK. Pattaya trips. At the time, I was just going to take the bus, but I've since changed my mind and now I can't find the taxi's website. I'm still going to keep searching the forum, but I will be arriving at BKK on July 8 and was hoping someone could post or PM me that website if you have it handy. Thanks.
"...On my way back I snuck into the ladyboy alley and picked up a really big "lass" from one of the bars closer to beach road..."
I hope my reports can be of some help as I have had much use of the information here myself, maybe someone can learn from my mistakes!You seem prone to making more than the usual amount of newbie mistakes, Mr. Naked, after only 6 reports, but I do enjoy reading reading them. You should know, however, that Jackson will not enjoy reading this report about your adventures with ladyboys on Soi 6/1 as that subject matter is strictly against his rather rigid forum rules, (have you read them?) and we don't want you to get banned.
Be a little more careful in the future,
Daddy
Member #4698
07-04-13, 03:15
I would guess that I have been with over 125 Thai girls in my life and in my relatively modest experience; no Thai girl has ever stolen money or a personal item from me. I think I am pretty selective about whom I invite to share my bed and I try to keep temptation at a minimum and lock my valuables up, before I go hunting. I also do not get shit faced drunk and make major errors in judgment. But I usually have some baht in my pocket (1000 to 5000) , a Casio diving watch lying around, and sometimes a digital camera on the dresser. A couple of times I forgot to lock the safe. Nothing has ever gone missing, ever. I don't think it is luck or my charisma that is responsible for these stats. Thai girls are just pretty honest and respectable that way. It is one of the many character traits that I like so much about them. I really hope this never changes.
1) I'm not saying that stealing is revered in Thailand generally but of course the hardened working girls will take their chances if they think that they can get away with it. Maybe you like me have such rigid routines for everything that you do not quite remember why anymore? Had I raised hell she would surely have given them back but I saw little meaning in this seeing that I was planning on giving them to her anyway.
2) yes. I have great experience in being drunk and always know what's in my wallet.
Thanks for the support but I am not interested in crucifying the girl I thought it would simply be interpreted as a pleasant anecdote. Had I known that the story would infuriate members here I would not have told it.Sorry, you can come back with all the calm explainations and everything can seem in check to you, but it is not. The statement "I was going to give anyway", is a true perl of idiocy. Your is not a pleasant anedocte, but an unsettlling looser story about a thief that even got rewarded! As others have said, that is NOT OK to happen in Thailand. In years and countless girls, I've only got a cellphone (not a smartphone) stolen once, but it was an untraceable street girl, so she could to get away with that.
Anyway, a tip of 2K on top of 3K is also absurd. You deserve all the flame that can be, and please do us a favor, do't keep trying defending the undefendable. As others have pointed out, it's mostly the punters to blame for fuckups. I think you should re-evaluate your values in lifes, if petty theft is aceptable to you why don't you give it yourself a go, you can start right here in Thailand. Remember to tell use how if goes.
His main reason for this by his own admission is that a Bangkok gogo girl told him that the girls are ugly! You couldn't make it up. Harold lecturing us on Pattaya is like the Queen of England running a gangster rap seminar.Hahaaaa hahaha. Good one Lance!
Bullshit. With most of the women I bring to my room I could leave a stack of 1000 baht bills on the dresser and they would not go near it. If one blew off the dresser onto the floor because of the fan they would just point at it instead of picking it up.Most girls would actually point out that it would be better for you to keep it safer! They can also be very protective, like patiently walking drunk men to their room, quell fights, and putting up with all "our" stupidity. Surely I've seen hardened and potentially dangerous Thai women, but the the ratio must be like 1 to 30. Even when having the occasional argument, things rarely turn out ugly. Try that in Dominican Republic for example. Thailand sure is not an ideal place, but there is a way in which certain things work and there are certain paramount values, that it took me a while to learn and understand, I certainly hope these won't change for worst
<snip> Start with accepting the truth, then you can work to fix the problem. LOS is one of the greatest mongering destinations in the world. What you did was the equivalent of pouring a bottle of kechup on your dry-aged Waguu steak or mixing sprite with a glass of Grand Cru Chateau Latour.This one good too. Even if I've never tasted the items mentioned. They just "sound" too expensive hahah.
Most girls would actually point out that it would be better for you to keep it safer! They can also be very protective, like pateintly walking drunk men to their room and putting up with all "our" stupidity. Yes I've seen hardened and potentially dangerous women, but the the ratio must be like 1 to 30. Even when having the occasional argument, things rarely ly turn out ugly. Try that in Dominican Republic for example. There is a way which certain things work and certain values in Thailand, that it took me a while to learn and understand, and I certainly hope won't change for worstA big plus one. In the grand world of working girls, TGs are a pretty gentle and caring lot. As you said, try the DR.
Well put and I agree that the business philosophy of GoGo-bars now seems to be as much money as possible in the bar and as little as possible outside. But somewhere the girls wages much suffer or do they get a fat percentage out of the bar? In past times they were not happy with a lady drink, they craved to please longtime shorttime whatever (someone will say that it is my fading looks but I have never much believed in this as a big factor for the girls). Last time I was in Pattaya I always bought myself a drink and one for the lady I was planning to barfine and this was always accepted but now it seems to be extremely much hustling everytime I want to leave with one of the top notch dancers.I do not need to repeat what has been said already about this "incident". I just can confirm that I had several hundred Thai WG's in my room and bed, and never ever any of them had stolen anything from me. It's all the opposite. I always have something on my desk (mobile phone, camera, computer) and regularly leave my pants with the wallet in the room when I take a shower. Especially gogo bar girls know that if they steal anything, you will report to the mamasan and bar owner. Therefore, I always feel very safe and was never disappointed.
If ever a girl has such strange behavior like you describe in your report (I. E. Prolonging the way back to your room, very tired action or all kinds of "excuses") , then I throw her out of the room and tell her that I am not going to pay for such inferior performance. I must say that this happened only very, very few times in Thailand, but it happened. I have a lot of respect for the WG's and always treat them gentleman-like. They do a tough job, and it's not easy to smile all the time. But if the behavior is really uninterested and unacceptable, then I tell her that she better goes home to have a good sleep, rather than to bother me with her bad mood. Particularly in Pattaya, there are plenty of other girls available almost at any time of the day.
I am also rather familiar with Sweethearts in Walking Street and had some girls from there. Never ever I was asked to pay in advance. This happened to me in very few other bars in Pattaya, but I always bluntly refused, and it was never a discussion. I never paid in advance in Thailand.
I also remember from some visits in March this year that the atmosphere in Sweethearts has always been very relaxed and no pushing. Everything goes easy. I am wondering whether this has changed within such short time.
Tomorrow, I will be in Pattaya, and I will have a look at this bar. I would like to see this girl and also mamasan. If any findings of interest, I will report.
Wonderer
I can only say that I do not have time to set an example when I only have a couple of weeks vacation every year, I wanted to make it happen and it did from my perspective this is enough. If I had thrown her out I would have to go back and spend more money in the gogobars, in the end it is a question of what kind of hassle you are willing to accept.
All in all good time in Pattaya but took some time to get used to the new prices and culture. I want to ask people with more frequent experience do you at all visit the GoGo bars? And if yes, why? Seems to me that with your strict philosophy of things you must end up not being able to barfine the coyotegirls on many evenings although you've payed for your drinks and maybe hers? And if you go for second rate girls why not take the better looking ones on soi 6?
I apologize for my newbie mistakes, also to the board regulators I did not know that I could not post on ladyboy experiences.
Maybe I stop by Thailand again on my way back from Singapore thanks for advices and cheers!
Concerning the moral of thai working girls:
I think that some of you underestimate their ability to judge the situation. Although a working girl might not see it wise to steal from you for whatever reason; a knowledge of your experience or chances that you might deem it worthwhile to complain to management or just what a gentlemanlike fellow you are she might very well judge differently with someone else. Probably there are also girls who would simply never do such a horrid thing and all respect! Much harder to walk the narrow in an environment such as theirs.
BlygdTuktaren
07-04-13, 15:16
I am born and raised in one of the worlds few matriarchys, Sweden, where you are raised in womens equality (supremacy) by society from early age.
Therefore it can be quite a step to take for many sexually frustrated males to turn to hookers, actually it's illegal to monger in Sweden though it's legal to sell for the few women who do so.
I'm still a quite young man, but I totally had enough of bringing up courage to approach girls in discoteques at home where you are "greated" by their arrogant and superior attitudes towards you, where they all just let "Prince-Charming" screw them while giggling behind the backs of a large number of "awerage-Joe's", women are very spoiled in my country, socially and economically as sexually where they can have their choice of hungry men, entertaining themselves with the top notch guys in this sexually liberated country for womens benefits.
Therefore I'm heading off to Thailand on my vacation, I was supposed to go now in July, but due to work I have to wait til September / October.
It will be my first time visiting Pattaya, though I will also spend some time in Bangkok, but since I am relatively young I don't want to stick out among crowds of relatively old mongers, therefore I wonder, is it only / mostly middleage mongers frequenting Pattaya?
If so, will I feel less uncommon in Bangkok or is it same-same but different?
Very informative and apprechiable site, thumbs up. You can all look forward to reports from a Pattaya-first-timer in late September / October.
Hey guys,
Here's my report my second Thailand trip.
I went to the bus station in Bangkok heading to Pattaya. After a 2 hour trip (133 BT) I finally arrived in Pattaya (whitehouse condotel SOI 13) and decided to visit a bit this city that I've been hearing a lot from you guys. My first impression was that it was messier than Bangkok but. That's Thailand I guess. I've decided to have a look at Honey 2 to try this famous soapy massage. Well. That was bad, very bad.
Came in, about 50 girls in the fishbowl. 1800 for the girls on the right (about 40 girls) and 2200 for the others on the left (about 10). I ordered a dit coke (80 bath) paid and I'm still waiting for my 20 bath change (I didn't really cared but still, just for the principe I like when the waiter brings your change back for you to decided if you tip him or not)
After a few smile, sign and so forth, I decided to go with M75 a young smiling blond chick.
Went into the room and that girl was speaking about 4 words of English. Wasn't easy to break the ice at all, she was smiling but couldn't understand a word I was saying while filling up the bathtub. After a few minutes a lady came in with my diet coke (that I had started drinking downstairs and a drink for the lady) that I didn't ordered at all. The bill was 220, I was surprised but paid (thought that a drink would help break the ice) the waitress asked for a tip as she saw a 20 in my pocket, I said I needed it for the taxi back to my hotel, she insisted but understood that I wouldn't give her any tips (for carrying a drink that I didn't even ordered + the tip I already paid downstairs, I wasn't going to tip the whole staff of the building!)
Anyway, The room was nice and clean, quite big, a tv, a sofa, a queen bed, an air maitresse and so forth. The TV in the room was on, some RnB clips was on it. Waited for the tub to fill up in silence as she wasn't able to speak at all and I couldn't speak thai either. About her, she was wearing a nice red dress. She was 19 (way too young, you'll understand why after) and very pretty with tattoos on her body.
She showered me in the tub and it was the beginning of my "bad" experience. I felt like a baby taking a bath while my mum would clean my back and under my arms. She was outside the tub washing me in silence. Weird. Then she showered, asked me to go on the mattress and she started doing her thing. It wasn't that bad but it was way too "normal" way too robotic. Right, left, right left, feet, back and so forth. It wasn't very sexy.
After about 8 minutes of this robotic massage she then asked me to shower again and go onto the bed, which I did, still in this weird silence with only RnB music.
She came onto the bed beside me and started touching my cock. Now, I guess my mistake has been choosing a young girl which are (for most of them) inexperienced, her hand was soft and she was watching tv while doing a very bad and soft handjob. After a few minutes of that nightmare, she put a condom on and started blowing me. First of all, I don't feel a thing with a condom on and as she was inexperienced well I couldn't feel a thing at all. Seriously. She stopped after 40 secondes and continued masturbating me while watching tv. I couldn't get hard AT ALL. I was getting softer and softer and her method wasn't helping. Tried to concentrate but the ads on the TV for a chocolate milk and her absence of cuddling, kissing or sensuality wasn't helping at all.
I decided to get hard by doing it myself (she was still watching tv) , after a couple of minutes it was ok, another condom was on and I asked her to sit on top of me (cowgirl) again, it was bad. Very inexperienced, not sensual, not sexy, robotic and too professional. Finished quickly as I wanted to stop that "nightmare" asap. I tiped her 100 bath (don't ask me why, she was nice, shy and young). In total I paid 2620 for that. I could have get better for that amount but at least I tried.
To be honest, she's not 100% responsible. She was really nice, pretty and kind. We just couldn't communicate so it was tough to break the ice and her attitude was way to professional and robotic for me to be hard. I was thinking about Wan wan from Mongo massage from Bangkok (see my yesterday post) and she rocked my world. I wanted to try a soappy massage, I tried it. It wasn't very good (that's of coursemy POV) I guess I should have chosen an older girl that would have been more experienced.
Tomorrow I'll try Devil's Den. Hopefully it should be better, if any of you guys have advices on what girls (NOT SHY) to take that would be great. Also is the end of the afternoon a good time to get there?
Thanks
Sir Lancelot
07-04-13, 19:03
Here's my report my second Thailand trip. I've decided to have a look at Honey 2 to try this famous soapy massage. Well. That was bad, very bad.I'm sorry to hear about your negative experience at Honey 2. I had a great session there with a young girl but massage parlours can always be a lucky dip. Like you I've also had a pretty young 'starfish' who can hardly speak a word of English. That's the price we pay for targeting the young ones.
I tend to always pick girls I find attractive from the fishbowl but in soapies I think it might pay in future to go for the curvier, more experienced girls. Not only will they provide a better service but they will speak better English too. I love soapy massages and would highly recommend them to anyone visiting Thailand for the first time. It sounds like your choice of girl was very new and didn't know so many of the 'tricks of the trade' but I wouldn't let it put you off though. Maybe you can try Sabai Dee or Honey 1 on another day? A good soapy massage is heaven. Another you might like to consider is Dream Teen. It's more of a regular massage parlour where 'extras' are negotiated afterwards (I say 'negotiated', it's a set price). The girls there are renowned for giving great service.
Regarding Devil's Den, you will have a great time there. Ladies can be pre-booked on their website, or alternatively you could pop in, have a word with the manager and tell him which girls you liked on the website. I'm not really sure what the best time to visit is. I went at about 5pm I think but I noticed that when I walked out two hours later there seemed to be more girls outside.
Enjoy the rest of your trip and keep posting your excellent reports.
Great report, Valoulou! You've captured the essence of what Soapies are all about.
Sir Lancelot
07-04-13, 19:38
It will be my first time visiting Pattaya, though I will also spend some time in Bangkok, but since I am relatively young I don't want to stick out among crowds of relatively old mongers, therefore I wonder, is it only / mostly middleage mongers frequenting Pattaya? If so, will I feel less uncommon in Bangkok or is it same-same but different?Pattaya has a weird mix of people visiting. You'll see lots of older mongers, groups of younger guys, large tour groups of old Japanese women (!) , couple holding hands and even families. Being a young guy you will be in the minority but you won't feel uncomfortably out of place. I'm 36 and I saw plenty of guys younger than me. In fact your age will prove to be an advantage and you'll get lots of screams whenever you walk past gogo bars and beer-bar complexes! One piece of advice though, don't let the gogo girls know that it's your first trip (lots will ask "you been here before?") otherwise they may try to overcharge you. Do your research on this forum and you'll have a great time. Enjoy your trip and I look forward to reading your reports.
Sir Lancelot
07-04-13, 19:47
I tipped her 200 (sorry about that).Don't apologise. If a girl gives you a good service then by all means rewards her.
People gave you a hard time because you tipped a girl who you think stole from you. I can't quite fathom out why you did that, even if the sex was as mind-blowing as you said. I must say, like others on this forum, I have never had any negative experiences from girls taking things from my room. Is it possible that you might have been mistaken about how much money was in your wallet? After all you'd just had an expensive night in the gogo bars, it's easy to lose track of how much money you've spent. Also your gogo girl will have handed her ID card over to security at your hotel, she'd be crazy to steal from you. Especially since you made it crystal clear that she'd be getting a tip, so she knew you'd have to look in your wallet again.
By the way, keep the reports coming. You have obviously made a few mistakes but its admirable that you choose to share them on this forum. Sharing info is what this forum is all about, whether good experiences or bad. Enjoy the rest of your trip.
Wolvenvacht
07-04-13, 20:18
Tomorrow I'll try Devil's Den. Hopefully it should be better, if any of you guys have advices on what girls (NOT SHY) to take that would be great. Also is the end of the afternoon a good time to get there?
Thanks
Oops, sorry. I read "Eden" for "Devil's Den". Admin can delete my post as it is not at all relevant. Sorry again.
If I remember well, most -if not all- the sessions I had at Eden were in the afternoon, some early afternoon, some late / latish afternoon. There was always a good choice of ladies, but do not expect them to be 9 or 10 for looks. Most of them are also at least late 20s or even in their 30s. But that has the benefit that they are all experienced and have seen and done anything you can imagine. The only thing you will not find at Eden is a shy girl!
You do not go there for a GFE: you will get sex as much as you can take in all combinations and with two ladies who know how to perform. Either you are the director of your own porn movie with you in the main role, or you follow their lead and let them take care of you. I'm in my fifties and they have always managed to make me come twice in 90 minutes.
I am born and raised in one of the worlds few matriarchys, Sweden, where you are raised in womens equality (supremacy) by society from early age.
Therefore it can be quite a step to take for many sexually frustrated males to turn to hookers, actually it's illegal to monger in Sweden though it's legal to sell for the few women who do so.I think you may be interested to read up about Briffault's Law. In socialist welfare states it is very much in force.
It will be my first time visiting Pattaya, though I will also spend some time in Bangkok, but since I am relatively young I don't want to stick out among crowds of relatively old mongers, therefore I wonder, is it only / mostly middleage mongers frequenting Pattaya?Nowadays there are lots of non-mongers in Pattaya, especially Russian charter tourists (families w / kids). It's really a mixed bunch.
Bring ATM card and / or cash and you will be just fine. And if something sticks out it can easily be taken care of.
Member #4387
07-04-13, 21:23
I am born and raised in one of the worlds few matriarchys, Sweden, where you are raised in womens equality (supremacy) by society from early age.
It will be my first time visiting Pattaya, though I will also spend some time in Bangkok, but since I am relatively young I don't want to stick out among crowds of relatively old mongers, therefore I wonder, is it only / mostly middleage mongers frequenting Pattaya?
If so, will I feel less uncommon in Bangkok or is it same-same but different?Hello neighboor. Norway calling. First I will say that my initial thought is that Bangkok will runs you most agejustice simply bcs it is a bigger place and more varite into the scene. I am mongering the most in BKK with a few very short jumps down to Pattis. You have younger crowd atleast in the clubs in both places. I will admit I don't know GoGo, MP and beerbars so well but my impression from my few visits here are that they cater a older clientel (on avarage) than nightclubs. In BKK you have a large spectre of nightclubs from all freelanceplaces to very HiSo places you probably know from Stureplan in Stockholm (here as in my country, your country) you can run into gold diggers or girls looking for sugardaddies but hard to find the normal freelancegirl.
You have many freelanceplaces in BKK though cater to mostly a younger crowd of mongerers like Levels, Q-Bar, BASH, Bossy, Spicey, Insanity, Climax, Mixx, CM2, Shock39 and so on. Pattaya have a few disco where younger men like to hang out as well. Marine Disco and Insomnia beeing obvious examples located in Walking Street (WS). Only my observation.
Good luck.
A couple of months ago, I saw some members had posted recommendations for a specific taxi service for BKK. Pattaya trips. At the time, I was just going to take the bus, but I've since changed my mind and now I can't find the taxi's website. I'm still going to keep searching the forum, but I will be arriving at BKK on July 8 and was hoping someone could post or PM me that website if you have it handy. Thanks.I have done the transfer most every way. This is the service I currently use between Bangkok-Pattaya or Pattaya-Suvarnabhumi Airport. Cost is between the public bus and a private taxi, and the value and convenience mix works for me:
http://www.belltravelservice.com/pages/PageHome.aspx
SunLover
Tomorrow I'll try Devil's Den. Hopefully it should be better, if any of you guys have advices on what girls (NOT SHY) to take that would be great. Also is the end of the afternoon a good time to get there?
ThanksGik is my fav at DD, but she was on leave in May so I did a double with Alyssa and Sasha. One tall and one shorter. Both with braces. I had them wear school girl outfits, and had a very memorable experience.
There is no right time to go to DD. They open at 1pm, and if there is a specific girl (s) you want you can call or drop in and schedule an appointment. My other advice would be to bring your A Game as those ladies can wear you out!
SunLover
breezed into pattaya last night, and was upgraded from my suite to a corner suite with more space. awesome. at least my first night was starting well, but unknown to me it would go downhill a few hours later. after a shower and change of clothes i decide to head over to my old haunt at the windmill, nasty and wild as you can find near walking street, mostly to check in on a girl from my last visit, and perhaps get some welcome-to-sin-city late evening action. nothing fancy, but i was hoping to get her to stay overnight, rather than her usual running back to the bar at 2 am nonsense. yes, i was tired.
i stopped over at beefeater steak house on soi diana and second, for a celebratory evening meal. i popped a little blue vitamin before the steak arrived, because you just know the fat in the meal will inhibit the effect later on. after an enjoyable meal i decided to walk to the windmill along second, to get my joints loosened up from the long airflight. but as soon as i walked in the bar i got a sense things were not going to go my way. not only was my previous girl absent, but her friends reported she was now unusually pum pui (fat). oh, well, i joked back to them, i'll turn her around and go doggy on her long time; pum pui is not a problem. no one got my joke, as expected, but soon new contenders for the job of welcoming me back to pattaya were magically sitting next to me, taking turns in stroking my member. a tall 19-year old with braces and a flat belly ('me no baby') was massaging my groin from the right side, doing a fair job, and getting the expected v-inspired instant response. all thoughts of now ditching the windmill and heading somewhere else began to fade, as the blood drained from my brain, heading south. then, like a jungle cat smelling a kill nearby, the mamasan appeared on my left. she knew me from my many last visits barfining several of her girls, and i knew her as a liar.
'you want her go with you? ' she motioned towards the 19-year old, who i had now relocated to my lap, and was slowly grinding her tight little ass into my groin. i had slipped a 100 note into her skirt band to increase her enthusiasm, but i was still intending to walk out soon. 'overnight, only', i said, knowing the response would be a no. it was too early to let the girls out, especially on low season in pattaya. there was a pause, and the jungle cat inched closer to me, eyes narrowing, teeth extending. 'you send her back 3am, take her short time. '. hmm. that's four hours, not a bad sweetener to the deal. the big gunga head conferred rapidly with the small gunga head (the one on my shoulders) , and someone using my vocal cords apparently said, 'ok'.
as expected, my bill included a mamasan drink that i had not ordered for her, along with a 700 thb bar fine, and a few other drinks i had actually ordered for three other barely-clothed contestants. ok, what the hell, it could be worse, and i was in no mood to argue the small stuff. i watched the 19-year old head back to get into her street clothes. time to leave, now, before i change my mind.
as we arrived at my hotel i asked her, as always, in the taxi, 'have i'd? '. she nodded.
the hotel desk clerk gave her the usual thai interrogation all girls get, as we all negotiate the border checkpoint between the road and my bed. 'name? ', he asked her, in thai. he paused, comparing her stuttered response with the i'd. 'what is your birthday? ' he asked, again in thai, staring intently at her i'd. five minutes went by, until he turned to me. after several repeated tries she still couldn't give him the same date of birth that was printed on her i'd. she muttered something about having left her "other" card at home. right. this was clearly a fake card, or she had an earlycase of alzheimer's disease. ' i looked at the girl, sighed, and also now started to consider that she may have also be borderline ****, which is not ok with me. i don't take girls younger than 19, on principle. she did seem to match her stated age when i was at the windmill, although it's true i was a little distracted at the time. but the hotel border patrol was clearly unconvinced, and would not let her into the hotel. later on, the clerk would confide to me that guests were recently getting stuff stolen from their rooms, usually by girls with dodgy cards, so the usual i'd check had been upgraded from gold to platinum level. they had even gone as far as stationing a private security guy outside the hotel door.
saddened, frustrated, but also a little relieved at the same time, i sent her back to the windmill by taxi bike, and headed out back along second. now the little head was kicking in, over-riding the head of steam built up at the anticipation of a four-hour romp with this girl. it's late, you're tired from the trip, and you still have two weeks here in pattaya, said the rational voices in my head. 'go to bed; tomorrow you can make it up'. the other voices were a little more thoughtful. 'note to self', they said. 'next time you bar fine a girl have her tell you her birthdate right off her i'd, and don't wait until you get to the hotel. '
The big Gunga head conferred rapidly with the small Gunga head (the one on my shoulders) , and someone using my vocal cords apparently said, 'OK'.I'm new to ISG but I've read plenty of FRs. I generally only search for info in FRs, but this got to be the most enjoyable FR I've ever come across!
Sorry to hear about your late-night strikeout but with your mentality and deep pocket you're sure to have a wonderful time during your stay.
Mr Enternational
07-05-13, 12:59
Why didn't you go get your 700 baht bar fine back?
Why didn't you go get your 700 baht bar fine back?That was a must to do!
Useless mamasan if she doesn't take care her girls have proper I'd (and are above legal age). Minimum to do was to give a warning about the lack of documents. Mamasan didn't know? She should bite the dust and stop milking money then.
<snip> By the way, keep the reports coming. You have obviously made a few mistakes but its admirable that you choose to share them on this forum. Sharing info is what this forum is all about, whether good experiences or bad. Enjoy the rest of your trip.
I don't agree with that. In my opinion, Naked Lie guy is just a sexually undecided (check ladyboy experience) attention / mild punishment seeker. His nickname is actually hinting to that already! He likes to take attitudes variating from posing as a newcomer in need of advice, to the refusal of admitting how he fucked up when the real mistake was not to drop his wallet out of sight, but to not shake the girl for the money stolen.
Read his latest post, lot of polished verbiage and self-justification, without ever coming to the real issue, a matter of low self-esteem possibly, in any case he has a serious need to man up. I see no value in his postings at this time.
Here's my report for my 3rd day in Thailand (2nd in Pattaya)
First of all, thanks Sir Lancelot, Opebo, Wolvenvacht and Sunlover2 for your feedbacks / advices.
By the way regarding my yesterday report about Honey 2. I decided at 10 pm to at least get something right before going to bed, so went to Bliss lounge and got a nice and long BJ with CIM ton save my day.
Today I decided to take it easy and enjoy the day by staying near the swimming pool. I actually wanted to be ready as I was planning to try Devil's Den around 7.30 pm ish.
So here I am. 7.30pm, entering Devil's Den. Inside was few staff people, one of them was European and started discussing with me. He asked me if I wanted him to ask the girl to come in for the line up, I asked how many girl he had available before doing the line up. He said about 10, I said ok.
10 girls came in. 7 left to the yellow line (No Anal sex) and 3 right to the line (Anal sex). Unfortunately for me, all the "superstars" weren't here (Luke, Cake, Holly, Jenna, Alyssa, Tammy.) some others were here. I decided to take Lexi (Anal sex) and Susi (no Anal sex). Susi is a bit (not much) better than on the website pics. FYI Lexi has braces (but I don't mind as long as she's careful when taking Jonas brother into her mouth)
The two girls were talkative (which is a good sign) , Lexi (21) was much more active and leading the way than Susi (20) (who was sweet and giggling but more following than leading. Definitely more following)
We talked a bit (their ok is below average but you can get a few things out of them) while doing the normal process (showered by Lexie).
We went onto the bed and to be honest I felt a bit shy, being with 2 girls that speaks thai together with the light on and so forth can be difficult to manage. My advice would be to get just a bit drunk beforehand just to be more relax and enjoy more. If you're a young new monger like me, then be prepared as it can sincerely be a bit intimidating. The room is of normal size, a mirror on the roof (very useful.)
Another mirror on the side of the bed, a TV, a Fan, a shower and a swing (that looks scary).
On the bed was some "toys", dildo, Susi asked me if I wanted her to shove it my ass, said no thank you and we all laughed. She did a BBBJ (below average) while Lexie was licking my nipple.
Again, this experience, is a routine, by that I mean that they have a "process" that they follow for every customer, of course you can ask whatever you want but if you don't, you'll get the exact same thing than I. A dildo near your balls while being sucked, and another licking your nipple like a robot. When they speak thai together, you know that they speaking about you as they can't seriously be talking about the weather. I'm a 25 blond young monger with blue eye so I guess they were not judging me negatively I guess but still, you always wonder what they're saying when they laugh (and it doesn't help to focus.)
Tried to relax but it wasn't easy and their fake "hmmm" and "oooh yeah come on give it to me" was making me laugh in my head. How can a girl have pleasure licking your nipple (of course it's part of the job to pretend but. Dude. Be just a bit realistic, you're licking the 30th nipple of the day, are you really going to give me some "yeaaah good"?) Of course I'm being a bit harsh but that the kind of stuff that makes me think about this during the act and I can't be very focused on the session.
Anyway, they swapped places and Lexie sucked me (again it wasn't great but wasn't very good either) They continued speaking thai from time to time (I'm trying to focus) and Lexie said "you want to fuckme?" so I fucked her. Again her "oooh hey you fuck me, ooo hmmm good see'est bon (french word) give it to me" was funny. They're both funny girls (Lexie likes to burp (not during the act of course). I asked if I could do Anal with Lexie, she said yes and went doggystyle, It was tight, maybe too tight. Anyway did it listening to her "hmmm yeah you fuck me in ass ooo yeah" while Susi was behind me, touching my nipple and ass.
Overall it was a good session but not transcending. For those who wants a threesome, try it but don't expect the threesome you've dreamed of or in the movies where the two girls kisses with passion, let's say it's a twosome with. Another girl waiting for her turn. Of course this is MY experience, MY POV and some other guys from this forum may have had the time of their life.
Tipped them 100 each and paid the 3600 downstairs.
That's not something I would do again, I tried it, it was ok, but I prefer a one to one session with a girl willing to be more GFE and sincere in her "hmmm yeah I like it" than this place. For those who thinks that this is a negative report, it is not. I wanted to try it, it was as I expected, funny, but not really of my taste. I invite people that are curious and got 3600 to spare, to try it at least once to make your own judgement and be able to tell that you've done a "threesome" in your life.
I'm planning to go back to Bangkok tomorrow. 2 days in Pattaya was way enough for me. Overall I'm not a huge fan of this place. Also because I'm alone and I don't really feel comfortable going to gogo bars by myself. I'm sure If I had been with someone I would have tried more stuffs. Pattaya needs to be tried at least once. It's a city filled with gogo bars, plenty of girls (even in low season) and you can always find a girl of your taste.
Thanks. I'll continue posting reports in the Bangkok thread tomorrow.
Valoulou
By the way, on my back, I stopped by a restaurant to eat something. A couple of Russian came and talked to me (they thought I was Russian) anyway, the guy told me that few hours ago, he was walking with his wife when, at an intersection, a scooter went by and grabbed it's gold chain. In my head, I was like, dude, why would you come to a country, where people earn very little money, with a 24 gold carat chain around your neck for everybody to take?
Although I don't blame him as it could have happened to anyone, I just think it's common sense not to bring stuff of value with you when you're going to a foreign country that you don't know.
For those of you who have big gold chain, just leave it at home or in your safe.
Thanks
Why didn't you go get your 700 baht bar fine back?Add another self-defined monger to the long list of "Oh, no big deal, my time is worth more than that".
I'm posting this because I have no issue whatsoever with Katoyes, even gave a ride home to one the other nigth, but I have a slight issue with posters that come here as if "just getting a BJ" from one is nothing.
Sure, you're in Thailand (but you could get the same service in streets of Rome or, Miami) , and you think that everything goes. They look good and them being men, they supposedly know how to suck cock better. Yeah right, it's 2013, time to open our minds?
Nope, sorry, the small issue is that Thailand being the Land Of Sex, where among all the available latitudes, that I could briefly list here from the laundry lady that one bangs when no better option, to the weak-handed soapie youngie, to the sex-starved disco lady than lands in your life bags and all after 3 days, you think is cool to getiing blown by a disguised man that is worth more in makeup than wits?
This forum is not your friend drunk confession hour. This is where where men reports aboit (paid) sexual experiences with women. If you like transexuals, I have one advice for your diminuished masculinity, go all the way down, bend over and use plenty of lubrication (after you get used, you can replace with spit). Many come well-endowed, can service you good and if you like it, good for you. Then there will be other Internet places to share that if you whish.
But please, leave us alone enjoing the always the rules-defying game of enjoing our sexual life just as our prevalent genetics dictate.
GooberMonger
07-05-13, 19:38
QUOTE=Naked Lie; 1441652]I can understand your reaction but let me assure you that this is the one and only time during my trip that I will pay 5000 for any girl and this only because very good looking and outstanding experience.
Forgetting my pants was extremely sloppy though but the fault was all mine and if you would have expected me to lecture her or something I think you overrate a mongers possibilities to affect the morals of a working girl. There is no way she is not going to try and take money if she gets such an obvious chance.[/QUOTE]My last post on my visit to Pats and wondering what the hell has happened, well I got my answer. You know there are some mongers that live in Pats, BKK, Phnom Penh, around south east asia, please don't over pay the girls, I don't care if she gave you the best service you've had in your whole life.
You know 10 years ago I was sitting at Home Away from Home, K11 Phnom Penh, and talking to a young monger that just tipped a Vietnam girl $100 or 3000 Baht. The going rate was 100 Baht. Yes 100 Baht and hot cuties that gave excellent service. Yup $5 ST. I came unglued on the guy, you could buy a virgin for a week or to keep for as long as you wanted for $200-$300.
Now I go to all the places that the local Thai's and Khmer's go, one good thing is I speak both languages or I'll get a girlfriend that is usually a virgin for a girlfriend and there's lots of them out there, but they are a bit of work. Once I have one though I pay them $30-$100 a month. The Go Go bars now are just out to lunch 1000 Baht bar fine and the girls wanting 2000-3000 Baht, these girls are making more money than doctors because of people over paying for an uneducated farm girl that just came out of the rice fields.
I've had to go to GFs there more in touch with reality, the don't think they are famous movie stars, because there make the same or more money.
Thanks for fcking things up out there people, now I'm stuck with garment factory works, going to the countryside picking up farm girls and my most steady GF that does her best to keep her eye on me and she's good at it she's a University student (English Literature) supper jealous type, the others all know about her and work around her, but I don't want the emotional attachment. I can't be happy with one women after fcking over a thousand girls in my life. Variety is the spice of life.
Stop spoiling thing for local monger and mongers that follow you. Read the posts, bargain with the girls, soon I'm going to send out my GFs to work ripping off newbies, teach them how to play you, maybe then when you guys start gettin burned, hell what am I saying your already getting burned I don't need to teach them they have already learnt on there own.
Use to be $5 ST and $15 LT. The girls were still making good money at those prices. I think we should all band together and say sorry that's all we'll pay and walk if they want more or tell them if the service is good I'll tip you. I'm a Dreamer those days are gone, but you might get girls for that in some really poor or war torn countries only now.
Well I'm done rambling it's 1:30 am and I was up at 5 am, I'll probably read this tomorrow and think WTF is that you wrote.
Cheers
Wolvenvacht
07-05-13, 19:58
I'm posting this because I have no issue whatsoever with Katoyes, even gave a ride home to one the other nigth, but I have a slight issue with posters that come here as if "just getting a BJ" from one is nothing.
Sure, you're in Thailand (but you could get the same service in streets of Rome or, Miami) , and you think that everything goes. They look good and them being men, they supposedly know how to suck cock better. Yeah right, it's 2013, time to open our minds?
Nope, sorry, the small issue is that Thailand being the Land Of Sex, where among all the available latitudes, that I could briefly list here from the laundry lady that one bangs when no better option, to the weak-handed soapie youngie, to the sex-starved disco lady than lands in your life bags and all after 3 days, you think is cool to getiing blown by a disguised man that is worth more in makeup than wits?
This forum is not your friend drunk confession hour. This is where where men reports aboit (paid) sexual experiences with women. If you like transexuals, I have one advice for your diminuished masculinity, go all the way down, bend over and use plenty of lubrication (after you get used, you can replace with spit). Many come well-endowed, can service you good and if you like it, good for you. Then there will be other Internet places to share that if you whish.
But please, leave us alone enjoing the always the rules-defying game of enjoing our sexual life just as our prevalent genetics dictate.You could have just said that discussing LBs is not an acceptable subject on this board as per the forum rules. No need to go all preachy. Some (not me) might say that such rant is a sure sign of your own repressed homosexuality.
I'm posting this because I have no issue whatsoever with Katoyes, even gave a ride home to one the other nigth, but I have a slight issue with posters that come here as if "just getting a BJ" from one is nothing.It is just forum rules. Period. Nothing to be debated, discussed, favoured, hated. No talks and that's it!
Why didn't you go get your 700 baht bar fine back?Went in today, and asked for my barfine back, of course, given the non-functional I'd situation from last night with the girl from the Windmill. The evil mamasan refused to fork over the 700 THB, to which I immediately responded,"I want to talk to the owner." She skulked off, and I watched her present the situation to him, and he glanced over to me, and recognized me from my many times in his bar. I saw his lips move with the words "petty cash" somewhere there in his reply, and then mamasan turned on her cloven hooves, and left. Three minutes later the owner handing me the 700 THB himself, and we shook hands. No harm, no foul. A little muss, a little fuss, but I admire his taking leadership of the situation.
And yes, we should always return non-performing girls, or confront situations like this one, with firmness and with respect. That's a given. The owner of Windmill has my respect, and my continued business.
<snip> And yes, we should always return non-performing girls, or confront situations like this one, with firmness and with respect. That's a given. The owner of Windmill has my respect, and my continued business.My apologies for having hinted that you wouldn't. Your results in understanding conversational Thai also speak good about your attitude. Well done.
Bionicman, Wolvenvatch: Point taken. I've asked Jackson to remove my posting, we'll see what he sees in all that.
The regeneration of our beloved Beach Road continues. Work has commenced up to soi 11, thereafter our loves will be found on duty towards Walking street in what appears to be a fairly good nightly turnout. From the obese to the gorgeous are on parade, all keen for work. I even saw pornstar, Noi, sans panties and shorter hairstyle, those huge superboobs were so inviting it was a hard personal battle to rid myself, she was keen for a rounder which required all my self discipline to decline for a later meet-up which I promised her. Some girls have gravitated towards sio 6 and up until soi 2, but number few.
Once completed I believe the Beach Road will perhaps see an improvement despite the fact the meandering, almost romantic, old walkway is now just a memory. Why, oh why, did they have to carry out these works just when I was due is my bad luck I suppose, nevertheless I have had to resort to the old barfine over several nights until I took the stroll further down from soi 6 which is where I choose to stay even though I do not frequent the bars in soi 6 that often, it is still a good location to base oneself.
Other matters: My arrival was last Saturday, the waters were disgustingly filthy after some rain I presume, sadly I could not swim amongst your turds, cheerfully it cleared after several days and I am now in my element swimming daily and hunting nightly after a few cold ones. I have obviously had some loves from the Beach Road and barfined a good lady from Lovely Corner bar with whom I had good chemistry with and rather against my norm I spent two days with her until I gently broke it to her that I needed my space back. I stole a glance at her, I will be damned, but I'm sure as hell she was fighting back tears, she nevertheless accepted her fate of being a bargirl having to move on. Got a lady my age out of Rolling Stone bar in Walking st, interestingly, this lady is a keen swimmer, I managed to remove her denims she insisted on swimming with once we got out into the depths. Sex is nigh impossible without copious amounts of lube under water, I learnt this years back in my teens. I brought her off with my good fingers after which she jacked me off to one of the most intense climaxes I have ever experienced in my life, must be something to do with the floating effect of ones innards. What an experience.
Thursday night I had a gorgeous girl with quite the most remarkable behind, her button sized anus received my tongue as deep it would go and the morning session was even better, so intense, I was still shaking at brunch where I managed to pour the milk all over the table save for the tea. The Beergarden appears to be extremely busy, had to wait for a table to be seated with multiple choices of freelancers on duty. For Friday night, Soi 7 & 8 resembled Ghost Town, low season really has hit the highest low, there are hardly any punters about just loads of general tourists, Pattaya is morphing into another Amsterdam, for those of you that have been there on the weekends; families browse the decadence on display, all really bizarre if you ask me me. Five years back one hardly saw a European women in Pattaya, now they probably outnumber punters. Appalling!
Shoot!
Wolvenvacht
07-05-13, 21:41
Bionicman, Wolvenvatch: Point taken. I've asked Jackson to remove my posting, we'll see what he sees in all that.I can respect a man who acknowledges his mistake. If ever we meet I buy you a cold one!
Some (not me) might say that such rant is a sure sign of your own repressed homosexuality.Up to 60% (but not necessarily me) would agree that was pretty much uncalled for. There had been remarks in the forum that its rules were "rigid" and that we (who are "we"?) "don't want to lose" member XYZ over posting FR including the type of SW in question.
As ISG members we have agreed to follow the rules. Period. Let's move on.
Concerning the moral of thai working girls:
I think that some of you underestimate their ability to judge the situation. Although a working girl might not see it wise to steal from you for whatever reason; a knowledge of your experience or chances that you might deem it worthwhile to complain to management or just what a gentlemanlike fellow you are she might very well judge differently with someone else. Probably there are also girls who would simply never do such a horrid thing and all respect! Much harder to walk the narrow in an environment such as theirs.Yesterday night, I visited Sweethearts. I know a few girls there, and asked whether they have heard about such story. Normally, the girls chat among themselves, when something special happens. But none of the girls had heard about the 5000 Baht or the stolen 2000 Baht.
There are also two mamasans, one is new since 3 weeks. She is a bit shorter and has a more round face. She puts the ballpoint pen into her hair. The longer serving mamasan has her reading glasses hanging on a necklace, and her face is slimmer. It would be interesting to know which of the two mamasans was involved.
Furthermore, I did not see any girl who would fit the description. It would be good to know her number in the bar.
I also know the owner / manager of the Sweethearts. If there are any hard facts, we could discuss the issue with him and the mama involved.
But it seems that Naked Lie prefers to leave it as it is. Nomen est omen?
Wonderer
Yesterday night, I visited Sweethearts. I know a few girls there, and asked whether they have heard about such story. Normally, the girls chat among themselves, when something special happens. But none of the girls had heard about the 5000 Baht or the stolen 2000 Baht.
There are also two mamasans, one is new since 3 weeks. She is a bit shorter and has a more round face. She puts the ballpoint pen into her hair. The longer serving mamasan has her reading glasses hanging on a necklace, and her face is slimmer. It would be interesting to know which of the two mamasans was involved.
Furthermore, I did not see any girl who would fit the description. It would be good to know her number in the bar.
I also know the owner / manager of the Sweethearts. If there are any hard facts, we could discuss the issue with him and the mama involved.
But it seems that Naked Lie prefers to leave it as it is. Nomen est omen?
WondererAccording to the OP, the sticky-fingered girl's name is Bee. Then, there are two types of thieves, one that will need to boast about it and one that doesn't. I think that given the "common Thai values", the latter is more prevalent. In the DR, a girl would have took 2K, but boasted 10.
The worst part is when you discovered that the girl stole 2000bt from you and you didn't say or do anything about it. In fact you continued your Bizarro behavior and shelled out another 3000bt and convinced yourself she was a great girl who showed you a great time. Are you insane?Guys like this should be banned from boards like this! Fucking up the market royally! Sometimes mongers get robbed or ripped off (that is understandable) , but to reward the ***** who stole from you is worse than a Japanese tipping a girl for NOT giving a BJ. Go hang out with the Japs where you belong!
Nah, it's cool bro you made a mistake. You can stay in the club, I guess. Just stop acting so Japaneses. LOL
Thanks for the through report on Devils Den Valoulou. My comments are from my experiences and for those who follow in your footsteps:
So here I am. 7.30pm, entering Devil's Den. Inside was few staff people, one of them was European and started discussing with me. He asked me if I wanted him to ask the girl to come in for the line up, I asked how many girl he had available before doing the line up. He said about 10, I said ok.
10 girls came in. 7 left to the yellow line (No Anal sex) and 3 right to the line (Anal sex). Unfortunately for me, all the "superstars" weren't here (Luke, Cake, Holly, Jenna, Alyssa, Tammy.) some others were here.This is why I like to schedule an appointment at DD. They open at 1pm so you can either stop by or call. DD takes incall appointments up to starting the session at midnight. Of course you can also schedule an outcall appointment to your hotel at any point during the day (including overnight.)
Again, this experience, is a routine, by that I mean that they have a "process" that they follow for every customer, of course you can ask whatever you want but if you don't, you'll get the exact same thing than I.Yes this is often reported. It is up to you to break them of their routine if you choose to. It is natural to be somewhat intimidated in this type of situation, so I think they just take the lead accordingly. It is also helpful to talk to them before the session starts and tell them what you are looking to do.
When they speak thai together, you know that they speaking about you as they can't seriously be talking about the weather. I'm a 25 blond young monger with blue eye so I guess they were not judging me negatively I guess but still, you always wonder what they're saying when they laugh (and it doesn't help to focus.)This is why I prefer to take the ladies one at a time on an outcall basis. Better focus. First time as part of a double, repeats as a solo at my hotel. And I have found in general with this hobby repeating pays big dividends performance wise after familiarity has been established.
Overall it was a good session but not transcending. For those who wants a threesome, try it but don't expect the threesome you've dreamed of or in the movies where the two girls kisses with passion, let's say it's a twosome with. Another girl waiting for her turn. Of course this is MY experience, MY POV and some other guys from this forum may have had the time of their life.This is basically correct the first lady you select takes the lead and the second is more like a standing by 'helper' so to speak. For sure the ladies at DD will get PSE kinky from moment one, but real passion like any other P4P experience can be hit or miss.
Take it from long time monger. A once in a lifetime experience only happens by definition once in a lifetime. High expectations on a single session can be difficult to meet. Take it as it comes and it's all good. Most anyone reading your report would have traded places with you in a heartbeat.
Thanks again for the posting.
SunLover
Piperpilot
07-06-13, 21:13
What's the percentage change that the girls of BKK let you film them or take pics. I know some don't like it at all. Do you ask before hand as a courtesy so they don't get pissed off later? Do they charge more or just ask up front? Anyone use flash cards to communicate or is it easy enough to talk to the girls. Heading over to visit. Thanks Oh and what's better, staying in Bangkok or going to Pattaya?
The regeneration of our beloved Beach Road continues. Work has commenced up to soi 11, thereafter our loves will be found on duty towards Walking street in what appears to be a fairly good nightly turnout. From the obese to the gorgeous are on parade, all keen for work.Thank you, Noddy. I was in Pattaya in late November. I was not in top form physically, so it is possible that is the reason why the place I had visited several times before failed to impress me this time. Also, I am in my late 60s now, so my preferences may also have changed. I thought punters like me, holding the hands of girls the age of their grandchildren, looked ridiculous. But to each his own.
I had BJs from two women. One upstaris in a bar, the other one from Beach Road early in the morning, executed in a shorttime notel. I get better blow jobs from streetwalkers in the city where I live.
Nevertheless I acknowledge that while my good old days were in the 1980s (in Africa and Thailand), young novice mongers' good old days will be whatever they are at right now. Gather ye rosebuds while ye may!
Mr Enternational
07-06-13, 22:16
So here I am. 7.30pm, entering Devil's Den.
Again, this experience, is a routine, by that I mean that they have a "process" that they follow for every customer, of course you can ask whatever you want but if you don't, you'll get the exact same thing than I.Why would you expect not to get the same thing? It's a job, and most jobs are routine. You go into the office, or the field, or whatever and usually do the exact same thing you did with the last stack of papers, the last bale of hay, the last whatever. You probably have a process when you get with a girl as well. Maybe you start kissing her face, mouth, neck. Then you go for the chest. If she is receptive you try to take her shirt off. Very routine shit. Think about your best sex experience. What was so good about it? Now think if every woman thereafter matched that. After a while you would not say you had 100 best experiences. You would instead say the shit was routine because you had experienced it 100 times.
When they speak thai together, you know that they speaking about you as they can't seriously be talking about the weather. I'm a 25 blond young monger with blue eye so I guess they were not judging me negativelyWhy would you think they wouldn't judge you negatively simply because of your age, hair color and eye color? They usually judge young blond hair blue eye guys the worse! They could be talking about anything. Again, this is very routine for them. They are not in it for the experience of ecstasy as you are. Think of a mechanic working on a car. He is under the hood turning whatever and all of a sudden he says to his helper,"Hey, did you see that episode of XYZ show last night?" Not necessarily talking about the car he is working on, but talking about something else to pass the time. And of course it is going to be in Thai because that is more comfortable for them. Quand vous etes avec vos amis and other people from another country may be in the vicinity you still talk to your friends in French right? They figure you are there to get your dick wet and not to know what their mundane conversations are about.
I'm planning to go back to Bangkok tomorrow. 2 days in Pattaya was way enough for me. Overall I'm not a huge fan of this place. Also because I'm alone and I don't really feel comfortable going to gogo bars by myself. I'm sure If I had been with someone I would have tried more stuffs. Pattaya needs to be tried at least once. It's a city filled with gogo bars, plenty of girls (even in low season) and you can always find a girl of your taste.Thanks for the reports. In your Bangkok report you said that you would stay in Pattaya 4 days if you liked it. After you experienced Pattaya you say that 2 days were enough for you. From your reports I gather you were in Bangkok alone as well, doing the same mongering exercises you were doing in Pattaya. So how is it that you feel more comfortable doing the same thing in one place as opposed to the other? What makes you choose Bangkok over Pattaya?
Mr Enternational
07-06-13, 22:19
I was not in top form physically, so it is possible that is the reason why the place I had visited several times before failed to impress me this time. Also, I am in my late 60s now, so my preferences may also have changed. I thought punters like me, holding the hands of girls the age of their grandchildren, looked ridiculous. But to each his own.I'm 41 and holding hands with a prostitute of any age to me seems ridiculous.
Nevertheless I acknowledge that while my good old days were in the 1980s (in Africa and Thailand), young novice mongers' good old days will be whatever they are at right now.At least you have sense enough to realize this and not proclaim the sky is falling.
Sir Lancelot
07-06-13, 23:06
I'm 41 and holding hands with a prostitute of any age to me seems ridiculous.Why? Do you think kissing is ridiculous as well?
Member #4387
07-07-13, 00:19
What's the percentage change that the girls of BKK let you film them or take pics. I know some don't like it at all. Do you ask before hand as a courtesy so they don't get pissed off later? Do they charge more or just ask up front? Anyone use flash cards to communicate or is it easy enough to talk to the girls. Heading over to visit. Thanks Oh and what's better, staying in Bangkok or going to Pattaya?According to your nick you like me probably enjoy aviation. Well percentage is hard to predict as I will be damned if such stats exists but anyway your best bet is to just ask upfront if it is ok if you took some pics and even a vid of them. I am by far an expert and maby I take pics of like 50% of all the P4P girls I bring back. I have a bigger stock of pics but that is from regular girls with a bit different history and none P4P. Most of the girls I am with are ok with some pic and I even don't ask until we are back at my place. If a girls says no I say ok. It is not that important for me so I end the session bcs I can not get a pic from her.
Just work on the chemistry, create a playful mood and say you will never make use of the pics others than for your personal use. Some girls are, from very good reasons, afraid of getting their nude pic(in combination with face) out in the open. When I come to think of it I can not not remember a girl saying no to a photo (nude yes) with clothes. Often I don't mind take photo only with clothes so i just skip it but that is another story.
You just use common sense and you should not have to pay more but maby be a bit more generous with your tip so the next mongerer out there also can have his pics. LOL
Tony Hoeprano
07-07-13, 00:48
What's the percentage change that the girls of BKK let you film them or take pics. I know some don't like it at all. Do you ask before hand as a courtesy so they don't get pissed off later? Do they charge more or just ask up front? Anyone use flash cards to communicate or is it easy enough to talk to the girls. Heading over to visit. Thanks Oh and what's better, staying in Bangkok or going to Pattaya?LOL @ flash cards, would you use flashcards to know if anal sex was OK? Just wave your camera and front of them, smile, and nod your head. Most Thai girls love to have their picture taken and always will want to see the end results. As far as which is better, BKK or Pattaya that's entirely up to you, give them both a visit.
Piperpilot
07-07-13, 01:08
Thanks! Heading out there in a couple months and want to know what to expect. It seems the girls are more playful there. Do you have much experience with non-P4P girls? Is that likely there in a short period of time? I'll be there for a week.
Ever have problem taking video of the girls while playing?
According to your nick you like me probably enjoy aviation. Well percentage is hard to predict as I will be damned if such stats exists but anyway your best bet is to just ask upfront if it is ok if you took some pics and even a vid of them. I am by far an expert and maby I take pics of like 50% of all the P4P girls I bring back. I have a bigger stock of pics but that is from regular girls with a bit different history and none P4P. Most of the girls I am with are ok with some pic and I even don't ask until we are back at my place. If a girls says no I say ok. It is not that important for me so I end the session bcs I can not get a pic from her.
Just work on the chemistry, create a playful mood and say you will never make use of the pics others than for your personal use. Some girls are, from very good reasons, afraid of getting their nude pic (in combination with face) out in the open. When I come to think of it I can not not remember a girl saying no to a photo (nude yes) with clothes. Often I don't mind take photo only with clothes so I just skip it but that is another story.
You just use common sense and you should not have to pay more but maby be a bit more generous with your tip so the next mongerer out there also can have his pics. LOL
Piperpilot
07-07-13, 01:14
Haha yeah, I heard of the flash card thing somewhere. Since I've never been there and don't speak the language, just wasn't sure you know? Haha.
LOL @ flash cards, would you use flashcards to know if anal sex was OK? Just wave your camera and front of them, smile, and nod your head. Most Thai girls love to have their picture taken and always will want to see the end results. As far as which is better, BKK or Pattaya that's entirely up to you, give them both a visit.
Member #4387
07-07-13, 01:41
Thanks! Heading out there in a couple months and want to know what to expect. It seems the girls are more playful there. Do you have much experience with non-P4P girls? Is that likely there in a short period of time? I'll be there for a week.
Ever have problem taking video of the girls while playing?I think from a mongerperspective I have 50% P4P experience and 50% non P4P experience so relatively equal exp so to speak. I meet my non P4P mostly through datingsites and through friends allready located in BKK. Regular girls(simular GF material I use several times and in longer times(several days) during my visits. P4P 1 day max at the most. My record from Phils is 2 days without leaving room. So in Thai/Phils everything is possible. BKK is my main asian huntingground with only 1 or 2 days visits into Patts (that is all I can handle of Pattaya as, even if many likes it, I can not take it in bigger portions). Datingsitesgirls you can meet I guess also in Pattaya and they can be good for a week use. But if Pattaya is your destination maby others will be more experts than me. I have just tried in general matters described photos and now a bit of girls you can meet for a week or so without beeing attached to a certain place. In BKK, simply bcs it is much much much bigger, you have more to choose from and probably (in stats) far less P4P girls. But if you stay in lower Suk in BKK it feels almost the same(but that is just a tiny tiny tiny area of BKK, hehe)..
Never realy tried video while playing with P4P or regulars in Asia. Only a few homemade ones with my GF back home.
SearcherMan
07-07-13, 02:01
[/QUOTE]But please, leave us alone enjoing the always the rules-defying game of enjoing our sexual life just as our prevalent genetics dictate.[/QUOTE]Jeez, don't be so hard on the Beaver. It's not like her buggered him. Or worse: corn holed by a katooey!
Chris Long
07-07-13, 02:24
What's the percentage change that the girls of BKK let you film them or take pics. I know some don't like it at all. Do you ask before hand as a courtesy so they don't get pissed off later? Do they charge more or just ask up front? Anyone use flash cards to communicate or is it easy enough to talk to the girls. Heading over to visit. Thanks Oh and what's better, staying in Bangkok or going to Pattaya?I have pictures of every girl I was with in Pattaya, some are into pictures nude poses even let me shoot pornographic movies while I was fucking them. Some just let you take a picture with clothes on. Depends on the girl.
Chris
They figure you are there to get your dick wet and not to know what their mundane conversations are about.That's for sure. In fact one problem with understanding Thai is that you're lying there trying to stay in the mood while the girls are chatting about their skin rashes or their drunkard brother or some stupid TV show they saw last night. The customer is the last thing they're going to talk about.
Are any punters contemplating visiting Pattaya becoming concerned by all these negative reports lately? The barrage of news about high bar-fines, outrages girl fees, and overall poor service is very off-putting. Hope it's not true!
Are any punters contemplating visiting Pattaya becoming concerned by all these negative reports lately? The barrage of news about high bar-fines, outrages girl fees, and overall poor service is very off-putting. Hope it's not true!If you've been reading the forum, guys have been complaining about high bar fines, decline in service, decline in quality girls, traffic, weather, airfare, beer, the Japanese, the Arabs, the Germans, the Americans, food, sanitation, smog, etc for the past 15+ years. Nevertheless, they keep coming back and they keep complaining about the same things over and over again.
Papae Noel
07-07-13, 08:27
breezed into pattaya last night, and was upgraded from my suite to a corner suite with more space. awesome. at least my first night was starting well, but unknown to me it would go downhill a few hours later. after a shower and change of clothes i decide to head over to my old haunt at the windmill, nasty and wild as you can find near walking street, mostly to check in on a girl from my last visit, and perhaps get some welcome-to-sin-city late evening action. nothing fancy, but i was hoping to get her to stay overnight, rather than her usual running back to the bar at 2 am nonsense. yes, i was tired.
i stopped over at beefeater steak house on soi diana and second, for a celebratory evening meal. i popped a little blue vitamin before the steak arrived, because you just know the fat in the meal will inhibit the effect later on. after an enjoyable meal i decided to walk to the windmill along second, to get my joints loosened up from the long airflight. but as soon as i walked in the bar i got a sense things were not going to go my way. not only was my previous girl absent, but her friends reported she was now unusually pum pui (fat). oh, well, i joked back to them, i'll turn her around and go doggy on her long time; pum pui is not a problem. no one got my joke, as expected, but soon new contenders for the job of welcoming me back to pattaya were magically sitting next to me, taking turns in stroking my member. a tall 19-year old with braces and a flat belly ('me no baby') was massaging my groin from the right side, doing a fair job, and getting the expected v-inspired instant response. all thoughts of now ditching the windmill and heading somewhere else began to fade, as the blood drained from my brain, heading south. then, like a jungle cat smelling a kill nearby, the mamasan appeared on my left. she knew me from my many last visits barfining several of her girls, and i knew her as a liar.
'you want her go with you? ' she motioned towards the 19-year old, who i had now relocated to my lap, and was slowly grinding her tight little ass into my groin. i had slipped a 100 note into her skirt band to increase her enthusiasm, but i was still intending to walk out soon. 'overnight, only', i said, knowing the response would be a no. it was too early to let the girls out, especially on low season in pattaya. there was a pause, and the jungle cat inched closer to me, eyes narrowing, teeth extending. 'you send her back 3am, take her short time. '. hmm. that's four hours, not a bad sweetener to the deal. the big gunga head conferred rapidly with the small gunga head (the one on my shoulders) , and someone using my vocal cords apparently said, 'ok'.
as expected, my bill included a mamasan drink that i had not ordered for her, along with a 700 thb bar fine, and a few other drinks i had actually ordered for three other barely-clothed contestants. ok, what the hell, it could be worse, and i was in no mood to argue the small stuff. i watched the 19-year old head back to get into her street clothes. time to leave, now, before i change my mind.
as we arrived at my hotel i asked her, as always, in the taxi, 'have i'd? '. she nodded.
the hotel desk clerk gave her the usual thai interrogation all girls get, as we all negotiate the border checkpoint between the road and my bed. 'name? ', he asked her, in thai. he paused, comparing her stuttered response with the i'd. 'what is your birthday? ' he asked, again in thai, staring intently at her i'd. five minutes went by, until he turned to me. after several repeated tries she still couldn't give him the same date of birth that was printed on her i'd. she muttered something about having left her "other" card at home. right. this was clearly a fake card, or she had an earlycase of alzheimer's disease. ' i looked at the girl, sighed, and also now started to consider that she may have also be borderline ****, which is not ok with me. i don't take girls younger than 19, on principle. she did seem to match her stated age win. hen i was at the windmill, although it's true i was a little distracted at the time. but the hotel border patrol was clearly unconvinced, and would not let her into the hotel. 'gunga din, really good report. is nam still at the windmill? never took her out of the bar, and live with that regret to this day! (hope she isn't the one who became pom pui).
hotel desk clerk did well by you. glad to know they are taking care of their guests.
just curious, you mentioned having had long flight. not my business, and not taking a survey here. you are malaysian? i only assumed you would have flown from kl, but maybe you live elsewhere. enjoy your 2 weeks in pattaya!
If you've been reading the forum, guys have been complaining about high bar fines, decline in service, decline in quality girls, traffic, weather, airfare, beer, the Japanese, the Arabs, the Germans, the Americans, food, sanitation, smog, etc for the past 15+ years. Nevertheless, they keep coming back and they keep complaining about the same things over and over again.I have been coming to Pattaya for over twenty years. For sure, it has changed a lot, compared to the "good old days". But there is also more choice and in a way more competition now, compared to before. I still like coming here and don't know any other place on earth that would be comparable. It is just for the fun and excitement.
Yes, some bars are getting ridiculous with their bar fines. Was at Roxy last night. Twenty minutes before they close. Wanted to barfine a cutie, but the mama tells me that the bar fine is 1000 Baht. Just before they close. I told her that 600 would be more reasonable and acceptable. But she is nodding something like "coyote", which I actually don't understand. I replied that in this case, she can forget about the deal. This is the only message we have. If the girls are not taken out anymore and don't make good money anymore, they will avoid working in such bars and go for others.
On the other hand, I changed then to Diamonds in Soi Diamond. They were open until 4:30 AM. Had a lot of fun there. When most of the girls (including some of my "old friends") left, one 23 year old cutie stayed. Brought her back to my hotel without any barfine. She was really great, and we had an early morning session as well as an early afternoon session. Great. Very slim, very small yet sexy titties, gentle, with good manners and reasonably good English.
Gave her the usual fee for LT (3000) Baht, and it was no discussion at all, even though we had not agreed on anything before. But that's a matter of fairness. Perhaps, I am going to see her again.
There are still gems in Pattaya. The supply is immense, and it is just necessary to do some good search. For me, it is always important to feel already in the bar that the chemistry is fine. On the same night yesterday, I sat with a stunner with huge and extremely beautiful tits. Actually wanted to take her, but even though we had lots of fun, she was not hot enough and not too much into it. Then, I usually let her go. This time with regret though, due to the wonderful big naturals.
Wonderer
If the girls are not taken out anymore and don't make good money anymore, they will avoid working in such bars and go for others.You miss one little thing: nowadays plenty of girls in the gogo bars make enough money by just dancing and selling ld to customers, they don't have to get bf'd to earn money
Thanks for your response Sunlover2.
This is why I like to schedule an appointment at DD. They open at 1pm so you can either stop by or call. DD takes incall appointments up to starting the session at midnight. Of course you can also schedule an outcall appointment to your hotel at any point during the day (including overnight.)I actually tried and I sent a couple of emails during the morning, unfortunately Cake and some others "superstars" were fully booked for the day. I should have booked earlier and it is entirely my fault.
Yes this is often reported. It is up to you to break them of their routine if you choose to. It is natural to be somewhat intimidated in this type of situation, so I think they just take the lead accordingly. It is also helpful to talk to them before the session starts and tell them what you are looking to do.Of course, as being a bit inimidated I thought, with their experiences, they would know what usually people do / like (they actually did) and I didn't had any "specific requests" so their them taking the leads seemed fine to me.
Take it from long time monger. A once in a lifetime experience only happens by definition once in a lifetime. High expectations on a single session can be difficult to meet. Take it as it comes and it's all good. Most anyone reading your report would have traded places with you in a heartbeat.I'm well aware of that, It was, overall, a good session and I'm not complaining about it, I'm just trying to give an essence of what, new monger like me, should expect when going to DD.
Thanks
why would you expect not to get the same thing? it's a job, and most jobs are routine. you go into the office, or the field, or whatever and usually do the exact same thing you did with the last stack of papers, the last bale of hay, the last whatever. you probably have a process when you get with a girl as well. maybe you start kissing her face, mouth, neck. then you go for the chest. if she is receptive you try to take her shirt off. very routine shit. think about your best sex experience. what was so good about it? now think if every woman thereafter matched that. after a while you would not say you had 100 best experiences. you would instead say the shit was routine because you had experienced it 100 times.you're entirely right. again, when i was saying that, i wasn't complaining about it. i was trying to give the essence of what dd is about and what new mongers like me should expect to get when going their for their first time. my post was more in a way to make first timer understand that they should take the lead over what's going to happen at dd otherwise, they'll get the same "routine" as others which might be disappointing if you're not prepared for it. i'm not blaming anyone, i had a good session. i'm new, young and inexperienced but i'm learning it the "hard but in fact very pleasant" way.
i don't know, i just thought that being closer to their age would perhaps help them being a bit more "into" it than for certain kind of people. (i'm not trying to offend anyone here). as i read into that same forum, thai likes blue eyes, and being young can increase the number of screams in the gogo bar to get you into that bar. but maybe it's just because they think (and they should) that we are easier to ripped off.
so i thought that they were not judging me negatively, maybe they did and i honestly don't care at all. but on the present moment, when you don't know any thai words, and they got you're cock in their mouth looking at you, speaking thai and laughing. you're just wondering what the fuck they're talking about and that can be intimidating. they were maybe judging me, talking about tv shows, i don't know and never will. my point is that for new comers and first dd timers, that can be intimidating and i think my report + others can help some shy people knowing what to expect.
again i'm not blaming them for speaking thai together, otherwise i would have asked for silence. they have the right to speak thai together about anything they want for all i care. i'm just saying, you can't refrain yourself from wondering what the hell they're talking about and that can be intimidating when you're trying to concentrate on your sex session.
thanks for the reports. in your bangkok report you said that you would stay in pattaya 4 days if you liked it. after you experienced pattaya you say that 2 days were enough for you. from your reports i gather you were in bangkok alone as well, doing the same mongering exercises you were doing in pattaya. so how is it that you feel more comfortable doing the same thing in one place as opposed to the other? what makes you choose bangkok over pattaya?good point, first of all, bangkok is a city i know a bit more than pattaya, i've been here before a few times so i'm used to the streets, skytrain, prices, restaurants, and so forth. as a city, i find it less messier, better organized than pattaya and therefore felt more comfortable. also, on my first day in bangkok, i had a great session with wan wan from mango. the following day i went to pattaya and didn't really liked the session i had at honey2. in terms of gogobars, pattaya seems to be the place to be, everything is very concentrate and you've got tons of gogobars but as i said previously, i'm not a huge fan of gogobars when being alone therefore i'd rather have an outcall like wan wan at my hotel in bangkok, then going to a movie at mbk than just staying all by myself with a beer in a gogobar in a city like pattaya that i don't really know.
again, i'm sure that if i had been with some other people i would have seen it differently. i don't know if my way to see things make sense to you but this is how i see it.
to resume, bangkok i had a very good session (outcall) with wan wan + a girl from annie's last year versus pattaya where i didn't know the city, didn't really went to gogobars, had a bad session at honey 2 and an average session at dd. also, i felt much more "harassed" at pattaya than in bangkok (because gogobars are more concentrate in pattaya i guess).
my bj session at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) in bangkok and at bliss lounge in pattaya were similar so for bjs both cities were fine.
right now, i prefer bangkok, but might try pattaya again with friends in the future.
thanks
Wolvenvacht
07-07-13, 12:29
You miss one little thing: nowadays plenty of girls in the gogo bars make enough money by just dancing and selling ld to customers, they don't have to get bf'd to earn moneyMy GF who is a professional researcher (now doing her PhD) told me that because of the general increase in wages in Thailand, less "poor" Thai girls feel the need to join the ranks of the bar-girls and a-gogo-girls. Their places have been taken over by (mainly) Lao and (to a lesser extent) Khmer girls. To the uninitiated, Lao girls can easily pose as Isaan girls. Perhaps this influx of foreign girls explains the drop in service levels? Could it be that they are more mercenary and money-wise than their Isaan sisters?
You miss one little thing: nowadays plenty of girls in the gogo bars make enough money by just dancing and selling ld to customers, they don't have to get bf'd to earn moneyYou are right, Zauberfee. This is a trend that actually started already a few years ago. In some bars, it is obvious that the girls are not interested to go out and try to squeeze as many lady drinks out of the customers as they can. However, our reaction should be the same: we don't go to these bars anymore. Money talks. In all areas. Perhaps we could start informing each other about such bars, where girls are not motivated anymore to go out with customers. It might have little effect overall, but at least it helps our ISG community. I think of a ranking of the bars by "motivation degree", perhaps on a scale from 1 to 10. Of course, this will always be subjective and depends also on us as individuals as well as on the individual girls. But it could give at least some idea.
Based on my current visit in Pattaya, I will try to do some research on this and report.
Wonderer
Perhaps we could start informing each other about such bars, where girls are not motivated anymore to go out with customers. It might have little effect overall, but at least it helps our ISG community.WondererWhere's the "LIKE" button! What you say makes a lot of sense as fitting the ISG purpose. Somehow more valuable than reading how much wet a girl is.
SearcherMan
07-07-13, 16:07
I'm 41 and holding hands with a prostitute of any age to me seems ridiculous.Holding hands with a prostitute of ANY age is ridiculous? You're a prude if they are over 18, because it's fun. Then you got a problem if they are under 18, because it's not just ridiculous, it's illegal. Mr Enternational, you might not have the moral scruples for this forum, and need to go elsewhere.
Holding hands with a prostitute of ANY age is ridiculous? You're a prude if they are over 18, because it's fun. Then you got a problem if they are under 18, because it's not just ridiculous, it's illegal. Mr Enternational, you might not have the moral scruples for this forum, and need to go elsewhere.Who are you to say that holding hands _is_ fun and Mr. E needs to go elsewere if it seems ridiculous to him? What one man may like another does not. And what's the need to come again drumming on the legal age, that had absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand - whatever is was ?
Try to make a better 3rd post, what about information or even a funny story rather than sour judgment.
SearcherMan
07-07-13, 17:23
Who are you to say that holding hands _is_ fun and Mr. E needs to go elsewere if it seems ridiculous to him? What one man may like another does not. And what's the need to come again drumming on the legal age, that had absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand. Whatever is was?
Try to make a better 3rd post, what about information or even a funny story rather than sour judgment.Guess I'll have to be more like Mr Entertainer.
SearcherMan
07-07-13, 18:51
I hear there is hotel / resort development slated there, or has it started already? Google street view and utube shows my fav old stretch of Soi 7 is intact, unless development started there in the last year.
Sir Lancelot
07-07-13, 20:55
Are any punters contemplating visiting Pattaya becoming concerned by all these negative reports lately? The barrage of news about high bar-fines, outrages girl fees, and overall poor service is very off-putting. Hope it's not true!I must say on all of the pages on ISG, the Pattaya thread seems the most divorced from reality. Some gogo bars do have steep bar-fines but if that puts anyone off, don't go to Walking Street (or do your research and find out which bars are the ones to avoid). If a girl quote high, negotiate. It's also worth bearing in mind that Pattaya is beer-bar capital of the world where lots of lovely girls can be found for cheap prices and yet you only ever seem to read about gogo bars on here for some reason.
Anyone contemplating a trip to Pattaya should go. As Wonderer says, the sheer volume of girls is spectacular, whether you like gogo bars, beer bars, massage parlours, freelance discos or the sleaze of Soi 6 and Beach Road. If you're interested, I posted a very positive week-long diary of Pattaya on this thread about a month ago I think. I really enjoyed the place and you only have to see the number of visitors (and the fact that people go back year after year) to see that plenty of other people feel the same way.
You miss one little thing: nowadays plenty of girls in the gogo bars make enough money by just dancing and selling ld to customers, they don't have to get bf'd to earn moneyThis is a good point. I think the deluge of regular tourists on Walking Street is turning some bars in to rip-off joints. I got quoted a bar-fine of 1000 baht in some places. I bar-fined a girl from one place who amusingly pulled a huge wad of notes out of her bra when she got unchanged. When I asked her about it she told me she usually gets at least 15 lady-drinks a night. You only need to do the maths to realise that popular girls don't need to go with customers.
It's worth noting however that some bars are more customer-orientated, even on Walking Street. Surprisingly one of those was Baby Dolls. It's Japanese-owned I believe and has some pretty girls so I expected high prices but their bar-fine system has some common sense applied to it. Short-time is 600 baht and long-time 800 but ALL bar-fines drop to 300 baht after 1.30am for every girl. I think more bars should follow suit.
Crazy4Thai
07-08-13, 00:31
Holding hands with a prostitute of ANY age is ridiculous? You're a prude if they are over 18, because it's fun. Then you got a problem if they are under 18, because it's not just ridiculous, it's illegal. Mr Enternational, you might not have the moral scruples for this forum, and need to go elsewhere.Seeing the old guys like me out to dinner with the young prostitutes makes me think that even talking with them is ridiculous. They are for sex. I only want and hour, two hours at most, short time these days.
I only want and hour, two hours at most, short time these days.I think almost all of us in this hobby eventually end up feeling that way. Once in a while I'll still meet someone I actually enjoy hanging out with and spending the night with. But even then, holding hands? No way. It just looks silly.
But even then, holding hands? No way. It just looks silly.Especially when you are 2 to 3 times her age!
Chris Long
07-08-13, 02:46
pattaya is a beach town along the cost of thailand it's about an hour and a half to two hour drive south of bangkok. pattaya is nana plaza on steroids.
getting there:
there are a variety of taxi services that provide transportation and many taxi drivers that you meet in the nana district in bangkok will also drive you there. most if not all hotels and guest houses in pattaya can also arrange transportation for you. there is also a local bus service that runs between bangkok and pattaya. but the best transportation service in my opinion and the one that i will always use in the future is mr. t taxi service 1000 bhat bangkok to pattaya and 900 bhat pattaya to bangkok airport. i arranged for them to pick me up at my hotel in bangkok and there was no extra charge.
pattaya:
pattaya is a city of sex there really is no other way to describe it, everything about pattaya is geared towards sex, it is an entire city built around sex. the monger area is quite large but walkable. the monger area encompassed far more than i traveled but for me i ranged from soi 6 to walking street and from soi buakhao to beach road with soi diana soi 7 and 8 and lk metro and second street in between. getting around in pattaya is quite easy, i personally walked everywhere when i was by myself but there are bhat busses that run in a rectangle along second street going past soi 6 and then coming back on beach road up to the beginning of walking street and then they turn back up to second st. price should be 10 bhat to ride, just stand on the side of the road when they pass they will slow down to see if you want to jump on. just simply jump on and when the bus gets to where you want to get off there is a little buzzer on the roof, ring it and the driver will stop, there are no designated stops or pickups, and they just pull over when they see someone standing on the side of the road and stop when someone rings the buzzer. be careful when paying on more than one occasion the driver tried giving me less than the correct change and often when i seen bhat busses stopped along the side of the road with no passengers the drivers would try to quote me ridicules prices, if they think you are inexperienced they will try to take advantage of you. there are also motor concha drivers especially near walking street, these are guys on little mini bikes who will give you a ride, they were charging me 50 bhat per passenger so for you and your bar fine it will be 100 bhat, had a couple try to quote me some ridicules price after they dropped us off, when this happened i just handed them 100 bhat and shook my head and walked away. if they think you are a newbie and don't know better they will try to take advantage of you. getting around in pattaya should not be a problem the whole thing is just one big rectangle, soi 6 to walking street and soi bukhaw to beach road, you can walk to where you want to go, i always did or you can take a bhat bus or moto conch.
gogo bars:
gogo bars are rep001tered throughout pattaya but mainly concentrated on walking street and the side streets that jut off of walking street and along lk metro. personally i found the gogos on lk metro to be a litte higher in price than the ones on walking street. but quality in my opinion is the same. there are a few on walking street that catered more to the asian mongers and in these gogos the girls did not pay much attention to me or my wing man who was also caucasian. there are, however, a number of gogo bars where the girls are very attentive and a great deal of fun, windmill off of walking street comes to mind. gogo bars can be a lot of fun and in many of them the girls get naked and put on quite a good show going down on each other and i noticed in a few the customers were going down on them as well. keep in mind the goal of the gogo bars both here and in bangkok is to separate you from your money so you will be expected to purchase a drink and momason or a waitress will try to get you interested in taking a girl, or a girl will just come up to you, the goal is for you buy her a lady drink or more. once you purchase her a drink however your hands are free to roam and explore her crevices often her hands will roam as well exploring your mr. happy. again windmill gogo off of walking street comes to mind.
beer bars:
these places are everywhere in pattaya, along soi diana, in lk metro along, beach road, along soi 7 and soi 8. these bar establishment have girls sitting inside the bar or on the outside where the customers are, all of these girls are available for bar fining and these places can be quite fun as well, bar fines and girl prices are generally much cheaper than gogo bars however because these places are outdoors there's no explicit floor show and once you buy a girl a drink you and her cannot be as free with your hands as in a gogo bar. these places also exist to separate you from your money and the girls will try to get you to buy them a drink or more before you bar fine them.
walking street:
walking street is about a mile or so long and just as the name implies it is a street where you walk, it begins where beach road ends and runs for about a mile. the best part of walking street is at the beginning where it meets beach road towards the other end of walking street it becomes much narrower and not as lively the other end is also more the russian tourist section. at the beginning of walking street you will find beer bars gogo bars and night clubs, you will also find freelancers along walking street as well, there are side streets that jut off of walking street where you will find more beer bars and gogo bars.
beach road:
just as the name implies this is the road that runs along the beach, you will find tourist here along the beach thai families enjoying the beach, and freelancers, only a few during the day but enough if you need one. at night the place is literally lined up with freelancers. the quality can be quite low but i have never failed to find a diamond in the ruff here, you will find women here that will match anything you find in a gogo bar but there numbers are few. the one thing that struck me about beach road is the number of rats running around both day and night, sometimes i think there were as many rats as there were people, they would hang out in groups of three or four and they had no fear of running between people.
lk metro:
this street runs from soi diana turns the corner and goes up to lk bukhow, here you will find gogo bars beer gardens and guest houses which also have girls available you will also find devils den here as well.
discos:
you will find discos along walking street where freelancers are available. many of the discos do not get going until late at night and run until the early morning. the girls are not as aggressive here and often they look like girls in any none p4p disco they will not approach you or give you the look, you will have to approach them.
soi six:
i love that place, soi six runs from beach road up to second street and is a street with short time bars one after the other on both sides of the street. all of the girls sit outside in front of their bar so you can walk up and down the street until you find the one you like and then take her up. the girls will often call out to you or even try to grab you as you walk by. once you choose a girl you take her inside and up to her room, many of the girls actually live there so the rooms are pretty good. there are some very attractive women available in my opinion and you will find women here who will rival anything you can find in the gogo bars.
massage parlors:
you will find these establishment rep001tered throughout pattaya some are just obvious working girl houses claiming to be massage parlors some look a little more legitimate with a glass window in the front and easy chairs with stools for massages. the girls all sit out front waiting for customers so you can simply walk by and pick the one you like. the obvious working girl house message parlors usually have a line of massage tables each on separated by curtains or just a line of mattresses on the floor separated by curtains. for the more legitimate ones you will have to pick the girl and then ask for a oily massage in the back. then once she starts the oily massage you come to a deal with her.
blow job bars:
i only visited one blow job bar while i was there, bliss lounge off of soi bukhow, the place reminded me a great deal of [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) in bangkok, the girls sit out front you chose the one you want go inside pay the attendant go upstairs to one of the rooms get undressed sit back in the easy chair the girl gets on her knees and goes to work, price is 700 bhat. lick bar on soi six is another place where you can go for blow jobs but you can't be shy, you are basically in the bar separated from everyone else by only a few flimsy beads price is 800bhat for just a blow job in the bar.
thai women:
i found the women in pattaya to be quite attractive and very good at sex. thai girls love to fuck and they fuck really, really good. bbbj, daty and dfk were standard with every girl i had from no matter what venue. personally i thought the best looking women were in the discos, followed by the gogo bars and then the beer gardens. however that being said you can also find some freelancers along walking street that match anything you can find in either the discos or a gogo bar, there are women on soi six that will match anything you can find in the disco or gogo bars and you will even find a few freelancers along beach road that will do the same. there are also some diamonds to be had in the beer gardens as well.
prices:
many women in the disco will ask for 2000 bhat or more some will go for as little as 1000 depending upon the time of night and if she is attracted to you or not. i found gogo bar prices to be all over the board and often quite confusing. unlike in bangkok where all the bars seemed to have a standard in pattaya the prices can range, some were asking for 600 bar fine some were all the way up to 1500 bar fine, the bar fines seemed to change in many bars depending upon what time of night it was and often the bar fine was different for different girls, it was often confusing as the bar fine for a particular girl was different than another girl and then after a certain time they would change. generally i found the bar fines to be a little bit more on lk metro gogos than the walking street gogos. short time prices were anywhere from 1500 to 3000 depending upon the girl and the establishment even here however the prices would change depending upon what time of night it was. in general however when bar fines where high the girl was charging less and when bar fines were lower the girl was charging more.
beer gardens were much cheaper and they all seemed to have a standard set price no matter where you went. bar fine was 300 and short time was 1000 long time 1500. freelancers along walking street were asking for 1000 short time and beach road girls were asking for 500 to 700 depending upon how attractive the girl was, some were even quoting me 200. massage parlor girls were asking 200 or 300 bhat for massage and 1000 for sex. often you could tell them you don't want the massage just the sex for 1000. bliss lounge charged 700 for a blow job and a blow job only in the bar at lick bar was 800.
soi six prices were ethier 700 to 1000 to the girl and 300 for the room.
exchanging money:
everything works in thai bhat so you will have to exchange your money. i used the money exchangers that run along soi diana but there are many exchange booths all over pattaya and they will not be hard to find. all the ones i used in pattaya gave me good exchange rates some were a little better than others so i would simply walk around until i found one that gave me the best rate.
hotels:
there are a variety of hotels and guest houses all over pattaya many of the guest houses all have signs out front stating room for rent. finding a place to stay within your budget will not be a problem. one monger i met said he never books until he gets there, he just arrives and check around at the guest houses until he finds one he likes with the right location and at the right price. the guest house i stayed at was on lk metro called 3som bar and guest house, decent place good location great cheap as dirt price and it had great wifi. almost every guest house doubles as a beer bar and they all have girls available on premise.
language:
communication was never a problem, english has to be the second language in thailand every thai i encountered could speak english. every girl i had could speak decent to great english.
lady boys:
yes they are there unfortunately, there are a few lady boy gogos on walking street a lady boy beer garden on soi bukhaw and i noticed some of the beer gardens would have a few lady boys working in them as well. there are also lady boy freelancers along soi bukhaw, walking street and beach road. personally 90% of the time i could tell who was a lady boy and who was not and 90% of the time they will be honest with you when asked if they are a lady boy. they were not overly aggressive but i did find that there are a few who will lie through their teeth about being a lady boy even when they know you want a women.
final thoughts:
pattaya is probably the meca of mongering it is what all other places strive to be like. it is the standard that every other p4p monger location in the world should be judged by. it is literally a city of sex. sex is available everywhere. i found many of the thai women to be hot, attractive and sweet. i found that they love sex they love to fuck and they are very, very, very, good at fucking. prices are a little higher than i would of liked but hopefully that will change. before i went to thailand i was always told the women are better looking in bangkok than in pattaya but prices are cheaper in pattaya than in bangkok. from my experience and in my opinion on average the women were better looking in pattaya than in bangkok and with the exception of beach road and soi six prices were a little higher in pattaya than in bangkok, especially in the gogo bars.
chris
Member #4414
07-08-13, 03:20
(snip) They are for sex. I only want and hour, two hours at most, short time these days (snip).Agreed. Went through the GF / Long Term Rental thing a lot on Ko Samui.
Now I can't relate to it at all when seeing such arrangements in those places.
"Look at me with my massive roaring motorbike and long term bar fined hooker stuck on the back"
Little do onlookers know of all the mind game manipulation and conflicts back in the Bungalow.
Give me 30 minutes in a room with a nubile WG, or a naughty one hour massage. Does me fine now.
Especially when you are 2 to 3 times her age!I would not initiate holding her hand but if she holds my hand I would not pull away.
Agreed. Went through the GF / Long Term Rental thing a lot on Ko Samui.
Now I can't relate to it at all when seeing such arrangements in those places.
"Look at me with my massive roaring motorbike and long term bar fined hooker stuck on the back"
Little do onlookers know of all the mind game manipulation and conflicts back in the Bungalow.The subject makes for interesting stories, but it takes a lot of time to write and the one wonders if the forum is not even the right place to share them. But if you have, feel free to add the condensed version. My experience is not that bad at all, had a great time in the Bungalow, now it's over. All things are, eventually.
BlygdTuktaren
07-08-13, 13:27
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.Appreciate you're advices and one letter filled up in my notebook, will continue to do my homework reading the forum making sure the girls don't screw me instead of me screwing them;) will book a flight this week, nice prices Sweden. Thailand in Sep / Oct. 2 way tickets, only 550 USD, much more cheaper than 7.8 years ago.
Breezed into Pattaya last night---like a jungle cat smelling a kill nearby, the mamasan appeared on my left---the jungle cat inched closer to me, eyes narrowing, teeth extending. 'You send her back 3am, take her short time---The big Gunga head conferred rapidly with the small Gunga head (the one on my shoulders) , and someone using my vocal cords apparently said, 'OK'---Saddened, frustrated, but also a little relieved at the same time, I sent her back to the Windmill by taxi bike.More like this please! I'm delighted that you will be in Pattaya for two weeks. It will surely make for some great reports. I want to particularly commend you on posting about your failed exploits. We don't get enough of those around here.
Hey fellow Mongers B-) can someone share information about "Sabai dee massage" which is near big see. The girls, rates and all. Thanks!
I'm 20 and have been to Bangkok around 12 times with my mom dad. Because of shit happening at home I feel like running away and think Bangkok is a great option. I have more than 20, 00$ with me and am a great student with 90% in all my subjects. Can anyone tell me how can I apply for a long term or permanent visa and if its available. M sick and tired of my life here at home! Please help! Very serious!
Thanks
LittleBigMan
07-09-13, 03:25
Hey fellow Mongers B-) can someone share information about "Sabai dee massage" which is near big see. The girls, rates and all. Thanks!
I'm 20 and have been to Bangkok around 12 times with my mom dad. Because of shit happening at home I feel like running away and think Bangkok is a great option. I have more than 20, 00$ with me and am a great student with 90% in all my subjects. Can anyone tell me how can I apply for a long term or permanent visa and if its available. M sick and tired of my life here at home! Please help! Very serious!
ThanksI'm not your father but maybe this is what your parents should have said to you!
At your age. 20, 000? Nothing personal and although you are a good student no one gave you the other 10% which is about life.
Take 5, 000 out of the 20, 000 put 15, 000 in a safe place so you have it when you leave.
Use the 5, 000 and get your rocks off at Sabai Dee or whatever and within your stay get it all out of your system? You are only 20 years old and most likely a spoil brat and a cage tiger with raging hormones. You are lucky your parents have carry you this far and I can tell you once your 20, 000 runs out you will run back to your parents and tell them you will never do it again and thereafter get a swell head and disrespect them again!
Now as for the 15, 000 go home invest it into a Mutual Fund portifolio for the long term so you will have something down the road because at this rate once your parents cut you off you will need it.
Get your rocks off and then go home and grow up! You are young full of cum and think you know everything without your parents I seriously doubt you can buy tissue to wipe your ass maybe that is why you chose Thailand since you can use the hose? You don't need to thank me now but you will later because you need a reality check! This might seem harsh but if you play your cards right you can have it all and more down the road instead you are headed down a road that goes no where!
LBM
Member #4414
07-09-13, 04:56
(snip) M sick and tired of my life here at home! Please help! Very serious! (snip)Going by your past reports, it seems you've dabbled already in terms of mongering in India and Thailand, NishNish. Is your family South Asian by any chance? What are the issues / pressures going on at home? (if not too revealing to put up on the forum). Practical issues like future job prospects? The local economy? Cultural / Religious expectations in the family of how you should proceed from here in your life? Or very personal things like depression / loneliness? I ask because depending on what it is that is primarily fuelling the wish to flee, the feedback would need to be different (if you sought general comments beyond practical information, that is).
Mr Enternational
07-09-13, 05:30
The saying is,"Young, dumb, and full of cum."
The saying is,"Young, dumb, and full of cum."And carrying too much cash.
LukeSkywalker
07-09-13, 05:46
this is a good trip report.
you got a few young and good-looking thai girls in the pics. any girls allowed bare back sex?
hope you will do a similar report for bangkok.
pattaya is a beach town along the cost of thailand it's about an hour and a half to two hour drive south of bangkok. pattaya is nana plaza on steroids.
pattaya:
pattaya is a city of sex there really is no other way to describe it, everything about pattaya is geared towards sex, it is an entire city built around sex. the monger area is quite large but walkable. the monger area encompassed far more than i traveled but for me i ranged from soi 6 to walking street and from soi buakhao to beach road with soi diana soi 7 and 8 and lk metro and second street in between. getting around in pattaya is quite easy, i personally walked everywhere when i was by myself bu.
gogo bars:
gogo bars are rep001tered throughout pattaya but mainly concentrated on walking street and the side streets that jut off of walking street and along lk metro. personally i found the gogos on lk metro to be a litte higher in price than the ones on walking street. but quality in my opinion is the same. there are a few on walking street that catered more to the asian mongers and in these gogos the girls did not pay much attention to me or my wing man who was also caucasian. there are, however, a numb.
chris
NeverGetsOld
07-09-13, 05:59
Hey fellow Mongers B-) can someone share information about "Sabai dee massage" which is near big see. The girls, rates and all. Thanks!
I'm 20 and have been to Bangkok around 12 times with my mom dad. Because of shit happening at home I feel like running away and think Bangkok is a great option. I have more than 20, 00$ with me and am a great student with 90% in all my subjects. Can anyone tell me how can I apply for a long term or permanent visa and if its available. M sick and tired of my life here at home! Please help! Very serious!
ThanksYou've all been trolled. His first post a few months ago says he just turned 18 and now he's 20. Also promoted one massage parlor 90% of his posts which is very normal for your average 18 or 20 year old. Some odd ulterior motive here.
This is a good trip report.You got a few young and good-looking Thai girls in the pics. Any girls allowed bare back sex? Hope you will do a similar report for Bangkok.He has done it already. I linked it in the RoD for the good memory of the newbies when they RTFF.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1440022&viewfull=1#post1440022
soi six was quiet yesterday, sunday, and i had made it almost to beach road before a tiny little thing grabbed my arm and, in the cutest australian accent, asked me to come buy her a drink. black dress, good english, and (as my hand strategically squeezed her waist and belly discovered) no obvious sign of baby history. ok, good enough for one drink. once inside the bar i was brought my beer and then my new friend promptly straddled me, settling in like she was right at home. the ten-minute pre-bonking interview revealed she had spent three years in aussie land, as the girlfriend (or mistress) of a guy who had found her in a bar, and decided to take her back home. he had since returned her to thailand, much to her dismay, and so here she was, pulling in falangs on soi six with her excellent linguistic charms and slim figure. i liked her, so up we went to the usual dismal soi six digs, albeit with a welcome bonus of an en suite shower.
we cleaned up, and then she served me the appetizer: a vigorous blow job, which also had the unfortunate side-effect of removing some skin from my dick via her back teeth. she should have had her teeth done while she was in australia, i thought. so, i pulled her up to check out the main dish. her pussy was delightfully shaved, but once my foreplaying fingers went inside it was like dr who's tardis: small on the outside but huge on the inside. i'm no gynecologist, but i do play one on tv. something obviously happened here a while ago, and, with a condom on, i suspected no friction was going to occur between pussy wall and my sheathed dick.
even so, we gave it a shot, and the expected result was, well, to be expected. limpness. which was a shame, because my planned dessert for this meal was to be her tight little ass, which the pre-bonking interview had indicated was a speciality of the house. now, if i was in a restaurant i would have sent this pussy back, and ordered another one. oh, well.
to save her cute little thai face i took the full blame, stressing that my lack of 'power' was because i was tired, and not because her vagina could easily house a small isaan family of four. she returned to her skin-scraping smoke (blow job) , but for only for a few minutes, before i finally said, 'i'm happy, we're done, kap'. i sniff-kissed her little brown forehead, so as to show her that, even though i had no hard dick, i also had no hard feelings about it. there followed the usual 'are you happy? did i do a good job? why you not come? ' audio customer service survey, to which i gave the acceptable answers of 'yes i am happy / yes, you did great / no, i did not come because i could not feel your - i mean - because i have no power' answers.
i left her with regretful pat on that little ass, and a lie that i would return, as well as with a small tip for a spirited effort. she was a nice girl, and would have been perfect for me if her throat had been as big as her pussy, and her pussy as tiny as her mouth. luckily, this is a town with a million restaurants, so it was time to move on.
I have earned the 20,000$ mysself. Am a graduate in commerce and am earning 5,000$ per month! Am not being driven by my hormones. I chose Thailand because I know this place really well! And anyways getting a pay raise to 6,000 and basically all goes into my saving so I'm planning to leave by December by that time I'll easily have around 50,000$ so I guess now you all can help? I am not a dumb fuck or a horny freak. Now help.
Her pussy was delightfully shaved, but once my foreplaying fingers went inside it was like Dr Who's Tardis: small on the outside but huge on the inside. --- I finally said, 'I'm happy, we're done, Kap'. I sniff-kissed her little brown forehead, so as to show her that, even though I had no hard dick, I also had no hard feelings about it. ---Luckily, this is a town with a million restaurants, so it was time to move on.Ah GD, you have managed to capture the true essence of so many monger encounters in LOS. But I wonder, this is your second strike out. Have you had any good sex since arriving? But no matter, keep 'them coming. I live vicariously through your reports, eagerly counting the days to my return.
Ah GD, you have managed to capture the true essence of so many monger encounters in LOS. But I wonder, this is your second strike out. Have you had any good sex since arriving? But no matter, keep 'them coming. I live vicariously through your reports, eagerly counting the days to my return.Yes, I do OK in Pattaya, Kumbu, but as you can probably tell from my writing style I'm more into the fun of the Pattaya encounter than just logging in for bragging rights. It seems to me that if you can't get good sex in Pattaya then something is seriously up with your life. Personally, though, I enjoy learning from "reality encounter" FRs than I do from "body count" FRs, so that's what I usually generate.
However, to bring the universe back into balance I will soon post some Gunga-Got-Laid FRs in addition to my bemused strike-out moments.
Cheers,
- Gunga
Soi Six was quiet yesterday, Sunday, <snip>Funny and sensibly humane, almost a revelation."Soi Six on a wet Sunday afternoon" moved our hearts.
"Marcos Streets Lights Review"
BlygdTuktaren
07-09-13, 13:01
Hey fellow Mongers B-) can someone share information about "Sabai dee massage" which is near big see. The girls, rates and all. Thanks!
I'm 20 and have been to Bangkok around 12 times with my mom dad. Because of shit happening at home I feel like running away and think Bangkok is a great option. I have more than 20, 00$ with me and am a great student with 90% in all my subjects. Can anyone tell me how can I apply for a long term or permanent visa and if its available. M sick and tired of my life here at home! Please help! Very serious!
ThanksHi there,
I've only been once in Patong, but concerning the massage parlours, there are thousands of them, same-same.
Girls in their thirties, one and Another younger though, one hour oil massage should not be more than 300. 350 Baht, tip a couple of hundred Baht if you want HE. Happy Ending.
But doesn't it bother you you will most likely encounter Girls beeing older than yourself, it did for me in you're age, though I wish I had did it anyway, compared to now in my thirties I was literally speaking a Stud in you're age, wanted to screw my girlfriend at least 2 times a day, shot my loads 2. 3 meters right up the walls dripping down so she had to wipe them afterwards : p.
I'm not saying I need Viagra those Days, but crap, screw you're Brains out while you can dude.
Try it out a couple of months with a Tourist visa from the Thai Embassy, Think you can stay up to like half a year or so on that if you apply for it, longer time than that will be hard, Thailand ain't no immigration country unless you are very qualified with a high education.
I have earned the 20,000$ mysself. Am a graduate in commerce and am earning 5,000$ per month! Am not being driven by my hormones. I chose Thailand because I know this place really well! And anyways getting a pay raise to 6,000 and basically all goes into my saving so I'm planning to leave by December by that time I'll easily have around 50,000$ so I guess now you all can help? I am not a dumb fuck or a horny freak. Now help.I have not heard of the commerce degree before outside of the commonweath, but the UK no longer offers commerce degree. In the US. 5000$ would be written as $5000.
1. A person who knows Thailand well should be giving advice.
2. You are very lucky. If I were to make $6000 a month, taxes, insurance, and retirement would eat more than half. Then cost of living, and expenditures would leave me no more than $1000. It's amazing how you can save 100% of your income, living on nothing, so you can splurge in Thailand.
Sir Lancelot
07-09-13, 19:37
Hey fellow Mongers B-) can someone share information about "Sabai dee massage" which is near big see. The girls, rates and all. Thanks!Why limit yourself to Sabai Dee? Although it has the most girls, the Honey's have some pretty girls and the girls at places like Dream Teen and Devil's Den will probably give you better sex. Here is the info from my recent diary (I also posted photos of the girls in the Photo Gallery) :
Sabai Dee: 2nd Road near Big C. Girls split in to two price brackets. 2000 and 2400 baht. L-shaped fishbowl, although perhaps 'fishbowl' is stretching it since there is no glass. It was 9pm when I walked in and there were 50 girls. The talent was mixed but I saw four strong contenders. Took Annie. 25, who was a pretty girl and gave a really great session although unusually didn't kiss ("only kiss boyfriend") , the only girl who didn't kiss on my trip. Apart from that, a wild performer (got to love a girl who scratches you with her fingernails).
Honey 1: located on Soi 11 off 2nd Road (nearly opposite Mike's Shopping Mall). Again the girls are split in to two prices, this time 2000 and 2500 baht. It was 4. 30pm when I visited and there were 25 girls, talent levels similar to Sabai Dee (although pleasingly there seemed to be more big boobs on display here which is never a bad thing in soapies). Went with Mo. 28, a pale-skinned beauty who gave me the kind of girlfriend experience I look for. Told me she freelanced in Marine Disco when her shift finished.
Honey 2: a few blocks from Sabai Dee on 2nd Road. Girls priced at 1800 and 2200 baht. I visited at 6pm and there were 35 girls (there were 50 girls when I left later). Despite the prices being the cheapest I visited in Pattaya, the quality of the girls was the highest in my opinion. Opted for a session with Nok. 25, dark-skinned, looked younger, great curves, huge smile and an enthusiastic performer.
Dream Teen: located on Soi 21, off Soi Buakhao. Unlike the three soapy massage parlours listed above, this is more of genuine massage place where you get extras afterwards. At 5.20pm there were 10 girls. Talent was average and it was abundantly clear that these were not teens as the name suggested. You can have different types of massage, I had an oil massage for 400 baht. It wasn't a token effort, it was really good. The extras were hand-job 500, blow-job or body-to-body 1000 or 'all three plus boom-boom' 1500 baht. I chose a very pretty girl called New. 26, who provided me with some of the best sex of my trip.
Devil's Den: Soi LK Metro, off Soi Diana. The place to go for threesomes. 3600 baht for two hours, two pops. Just 10 girls at 6pm but there seem to be more from 8 onwards. Girls generally older than places listed above but some pretty ones and far more likely to get porn experience (also girls can be pre-booked from website). Unlike Eden's in Bangkok, all girls 'work well with each other'. I chose Luck (28) and Holly (33).
Hope that was helpful. I would be interested if anyone can add to that list as I may return to Pattaya soon.
i dropped in to the windmill, still trying to find my favorite girl from my previous visit, but to no avail. maybe she is hiding out with edward snowden in a russian airport transit lounge, because she has not been spotted for days. in the meantime her loyal friends, never ones to let a falang go to waste, are desperately trying to hook me up with a new girl, who i am bouncing on my knee for as long as two ladies drinks last. the tedium of ass-bouncing and boob-groping is suddenly broken when i strike up a conversation with a gent on my left, who complains wryly that watching my antics is making him seasick. i helpfully suggest he fix his gaze on one spot, perhaps my girl's left nipple, which should settle down his stomach. we start a conversation comparing notes about living in thailand, and finally zeroing in on that ever-fascinating topic: what makes a thai lady tick. i like this guy a lot.
there's a draining sound in the room, and i realize that it's coming from my wallet. i'm in for four ladies drinks, my knees are now bruised from bouncing the cute but fat-assed windmill girl around on my lap, and the only real stimulation i'm getting is intellectually from my new australian friend's stories. i need to leave soon. he suggests we go to the new sister bar of the windmill, a go-go bar on walking st. as we left i felt a shudder, and i knew i was suddenly close to a source of pure evil. glancing down to the steps on my right i spotted the windmill mamasan, glaring at me. this was the same gargoyle that denied me my bar fine refund from a few days ago. the same one that sprang fully-formed from the side of a demon forty years ago. ok, you get the picture. i don't like her, and at this point the feeling is satisfyingly mutual.
my new wingman and i literally stumble into sugar baby go go, a familiar haunt to him but a revelation to me. we shake hands with the owner, sit, and my friend takes on the appearance of flypaper, but with twenty-year old dancers stuck on him instead of flies. he proceeds to tease them all mercilessly, and they take it with great humor, yelling as they swat his hand away from groping their tits. i somehow manage to pluck one of them off him, and relocate her to my side of the bench. she is twenty, cute as a button, and proudly displays to me her finest attribute: a naturally-bald pussy, no shaving required. buddha clearly loves this girl.
the gent and i talk more, promising to meet up later in the week. meanwhile next to me i can feel a familiar warmth oozing into my thigh, as bald-pussy girl wraps herself around me, and i'm getting horny. 'you buy me dink? ', she asks smilingly, revealing a set of braces that make her twenty-year old face look more like eighteen. braces make me nervous, but i'm trying overcome my phobia by still taking on the occasional grill girl, and to not wince as she heads south to go for a smoke. but in her favor this girl has some amazing nipples, a cheer-leader body, and a sunny disposition.
it's 11 pm, which means the barfine is still an eye-watering 1000 tbh, but if i wait until midnight it will drop to a more realistic 700. i don't want to wait. while the quality of the girls can't match sensations, which runs the same barfine pricing, you definitely can't fault the youthful quality girls working at this go go. i bite the bullet and call for my check bin, and bald-pussy girl runs off to get her street clothes. when she returns, i ask her the question of the week: are you sure you know your birthday, the one on your i'd? she nods.
back at my hotel room, and away from the go-go girl natural habitat of dimmed lights and eye candy sensory overload, she now looks a little too young and way too inexperienced. she happily devours thai tv as i shower, and then almost runs past me into the shower as i emerge out of it, pausing only to say, 'i go 6 o'clock, is ok? '. that's a little early, but right then i didn't care too much. my pause, and then assent to her request, awarded me a western-style and noisy kiss to my cheek.
once cleaned up and in my bed she proudly opened up her bathrobe, and once again i was treated to the sight of her amazing naked body, complete with a tiny follicly-impaired mound, the gateway to the cutest little pussy you could ever imagine. i toyed with her teenager-type nipples before heading south to get a closer look at this marvel of isaan genetic engineering. after some foreplay to get her motor up and running, i invite her to blow me, and she clumsily obliges. she's terrible at it, and i am beginning to suspect this girl is fresh off last week's banana boat from isaan. this kind of blow job ignorance reminds me of angeles city in my philippine trips of yesteryear, and requires me to gently move into a mentoring mode. there, use your hand like this. and your mouth like this. i demonstrate a novice-level sucking motion on her thumb, and she then applies it to my dick. she's a fast learner. she throws in some ball massage, without prompting, and now we have a passable blow job going on.
i enter her slowly, and spend extra time on her clit to try and increase her wetness. she's a little like a lawn-mower i had back in the us, where the damn thing took forever to pull-start, but once the engine got going, it didn't quit until the job was done. bald-pussy girl eased into things slowly, as we ran through the usual position changes. at one point i pulled out of her, and she bolted upwards into a picture-perfect doggy-style position, her pert little ass and tight pussy just hanging there, waiting for me to mount her. unexpected. and awesome.
she also had a signature move i'm never seen before, even on a more experienced girl. she would reach round, when in doggy, and peel back one ass cheek, to thoughtfully allow me easier access to her pussy. it was a very sexy move, and one i'm going to ask to be installed as a standard feature into the next generation of isaan girls coming to pattaya in 2014.
seconds after i came in a shower of glory all over her taut brown belly she shot out of bed to clean me off her. we fell asleep thirty minutes later, and when i awoke at 4 am she was clearly wide awake. she turned her back to me, and i reached under her leg to regain access to heaven's gate. this second time around she got wet faster, and now added a new feature: vocal encouragement. i'm not a fan of working girl fake noises during sex, as both you and the girl know she is only doing it for effect. but, in the end, it's still better than her lying there silently. no doubt my hotel room neighbor felt differently.
by five am i was done, and very happy with this girl. with a little more experience on her end, she could easily have made me pop twice in one night, a rare complement to a new girl in town, especially one that doesn't know one end of a blowjob from the other.
So I finally arrived at Pattaya actually my first Asian trip but I've mongered all over the world. Note that I am good looking early 30's so I usually get along great wilh all girls.
So I have 7 days in Pattaya with a fellow monger who has been here 3 times his last trip two years ago. All I could say is the girls we mostly older 27 to late 30's all hardcore worn put streach marks garbage like this I could get in the states for free! So we finally found a few young girls and I mean 21 to 24 no kids all firm and they were pissed because they were getting bar fined every night and had no rest. To top off out trip on Soi 6 my friend got his phone stolen out of his pocket in the room with the girl and she tries to deny it saying anybody could of came in? Seriously guys even my friend said two years ago so many hot girls late teens early 20's there all gone I'm assuming Bangkok because I stayed two nights there did see beautiful girls asking 3 to 4 thousand baht. We even ran into a girl he met 2 years ago paid 1500 all night and she was just visiting and she said she works Bangkok 3k night no kids around 25 still hot there wiseing up in Pattaya so I will never return to that stinkhole.
P. S. I loved Angeles city 18 to 23 and I even had a virgin for free (find that in Thailand) LOL good luck guys.
LittleBigMan
07-10-13, 06:59
You've all been trolled. His first post a few months ago says he just turned 18 and now he's 20. Also promoted one massage parlor 90% of his posts which is very normal for your average 18 or 20 year old. Some odd ulterior motive here.Great another F-king Harold on the board?
I agree something smells, he clarifies that he is now 20 years old, a graduate of com? he is that smart and that good to get a great paying job at 20 years of age but know Bangkok so well but need to ask where to find a soapie? I guess Mr. E is right " young dumb and full of cum"
NeverGetsOld
07-10-13, 07:33
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I am from India. We do have Bachelor of Business Administration In India. What will I get by lying people? Yea a few months ago I did post I was "18" it was a mistype and I meant 19. My birthday is in June so I turned 20 B-) Yes I do earn $5,000 a month and all is saved because in India we all live with our parents, like everyone. We don't move out, that's the tradition, Joint Family, like in Japan so I don't incur expenses on food, shelter, clothing etc. I am working for flipkart as a marketing assistant for eastern zone hence the big package. So here it is, I didn't need to clarify but young and full of rage to prove myself you see. \
And yes as I told I have been to Bangkok "with my parents" so it was a family trip, never been here alone so I don't have nay idea about the mongering scene except for walk in MP's! Iv nothing to clarify, I just want genuine opinions and help. Thank you people.
Call me dumb, stupid whatever, it really doesn't matter. Am working my ass off to earn so I can happily have an enjoyable life ahead, for your info I did the research myself an found if a company based in Thailand employs me I can be in Thailand for as many years as I like, so already applied to many MNC's.
Cheers
The so called "DUMBFUCK"
Hi there. I've only been once in Patong, but concerning the massage parlours, there are thousands of them, same-same.
Girls in their thirties, one and Another younger though, one hour oil massage should not be more than 300. 350 Baht, tip a couple of hundred Baht if you want HE. Happy Ending.
But doesn't it bother you you will most likely encounter Girls beeing older than yourself, it did for me in you're age, though I wish I had did it anyway, compared to now in my thirties I was literally speaking a Stud in you're age, wanted to screw my girlfriend at least 2 times a day, shot my loads 2. 3 meters right up the walls dripping down so she had to wipe them afterwards...Heya,
Thanks for the help, the prob is in India, girls are fucking conservative! Like no sex before marriage and shit! :-x spiritual and shit, max to max most do is 69 and that too after months of serious dating! And mongering in India is shit! Pattaya and Bangkok <3 and I have a thing for asian girls! So!
Thanks mate
BambiJacobson
07-11-13, 00:16
I have earned the 20,000$ mysself. Am a graduate in commerce and am earning 5,000$ per month! Am not being driven by my hormones. I chose Thailand because I know this place really well! And anyways getting a pay raise to 6,000 and basically all goes into my saving so I'm planning to leave by December by that time I'll easily have around 50,000$ so I guess now you all can help? I am not a dumb fuck or a horny freak. Now help.Here is my honest advice. You are a commerce graduate so do the math its pretty simple. Look at what rent cost. Decide what kind of lifestyle you expect to lead and do a budget.
Some guys get by on next to nothing by being cheap charlies and accepting to live in the most basic accommodations. Others do not. How long you can make 50.000$ last is individual.
You could have written that you had 1 million dollars saved and still people would not be able to answer your question.
Just a side question. You say you make 6K per month (after your raise) and are easily able to go from 20K in savings to 50K in savings in 5 months (6 times 5 is 30, plus 20 is 50). Is your tax rate 0 pct? Do you not have any spending at all of your hard earned money?
NeverGetsOld
07-11-13, 03:33
heya. thanks for the help, the prob is in india, girls are fucking conservative! like no sex before marriage and shit! :-x spiritual and shit, max to max most do is 69 and that too after months of serious dating! and mongering in india is shit! pattaya and bangkok <3 and i have a thing for asian girls! so!
thanks matein my city in america. philadelphia. 1st and 2nd generation indian girls were the easiest to fuck for an educated white guy. they sucked dick and took it up the ass fairly quickly as well. all one had to due was hang out at the bars near the top universities. even more so in the washington d. c. area. looking forward to see if this holds true when i visit your homeland.
also i am not prejudice against indians but you might want to know every thai girl i've spoken to really disliked indians and you are more likely to see a thai girl with a martian then an indian as a couple, so you should have a lot of rupee at your disposal.
Member #4414
07-11-13, 04:40
Nish, have you considered Indonesia?
(writing this in the Thailand forum may be a bit cheeky, but hey).
In my city in America. Philadelphia. 1st and 2nd generation Indian girls were the easiest to fuck for an educated white guy. They sucked dick and took it up the ass fairly quickly as well. All one had to due was hang out at the bars near the top universities. Even more so in the Washington D. C. Area. Looking forward to see if this holds true when I visit your homeland.Indian women love caucasian men. However, my experience in India is that it is very difficult to score a freebie as interracial relationships are frowned upon in India. Family members object and people in general give you hostile looks. However, outside of India where there are no such constraints it is very easy to hook up with an Indian babe, especially in North America and Europe.
FreebieFan
07-12-13, 03:25
I am from India. We do have Bachelor of Business Administration In India. What will I get by lying people? Yea a few months ago I did post I was "18" it was a mistype and I meant 19. My birthday is in June so I turned 20 B-) Yes I do earn $5, 000 a month and all is saved because in India we all live with our parents, like everyone. We don't move out, that's the tradition, Joint Family, like in Japan so I don't incur expenses on food, shelter, clothing etc. I am working for flipkart as a marketing assistant for eastern zone hence the big package. So here it is, I didn't need to clarify but young and full of rage to prove myself you see. \
And yes as I told I have been to Bangkok "with my parents" so it was a family trip, never been here alone so I don't have nay idea about the mongering scene except for walk in MP's! Iv nothing to clarify, I just want genuine opinions and help. Thank you people.
Call me dumb, stupid whatever, it really doesn't matter. Am working my ass off to earn so I can happily have an enjoyable life ahead, for your info I did the research myself an found if a company based in Thailand employs me I can be in Thailand for as many years as I like, so already applied to many MNC's.
Cheers
The so called "DUMBFUCK"So young and full of [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and vinegar. Hold off on the anger sunshine, you're too young to have had any frustrations in life.
If you can only express your anger get off this board and go somewhere else. Get to Thailand and go drink, party, play.
You will for sure get ripped off endless times and eventually you will become a little street smart and street wise. Sitting here kind of bragging about your earnings isn't going to win you many friends. Many of us here earn considerably more than you, but in my 3200 posts I've never once mentioned my income. Didn't have any need to.
Get to Thailand, enjoy life, earn some stripes and enjoy.
At the end of the day, theres a lot who talk and a lot who do. Put yourself in the second but not the first category.
Lose the hostility. It may make you feel better but theres a lot of guys with great info here if you know how to talk properly.
If you don't, then you won't get access to it. Got it, sunshine. ?
So I finally arrived at Pattaya actually my first Asian trip but I've mongered all over the world. Note that I am good looking early 30's so I usually get along great wilh all girls.
So I have 7 days in Pattaya with a fellow monger who has been here 3 times his last trip two years ago. All I could say is the girls we mostly older 27 to late 30's all hardcore worn put streach marks garbage like this I could get in the states for free! So we finally found a few young girls and I mean 21 to 24 no kids all firm and they were pissed because they were getting bar fined every night and had no rest. To top off out trip on Soi 6 my friend got his phone stolen out of his pocket in the room with the girl and she tries to deny it saying anybody could of came in? Seriously guys even my friend said two years ago so many hot girls late teens early 20's there all gone I'm assuming Bangkok because I stayed two nights there did see beautiful girls asking 3 to 4 thousand baht...There seem to be many negative reports about Pattaya lately. Is it really that bad? Still worth visiting?
LittleBigMan
07-12-13, 07:30
At this rate his future is pretty much determine being from India especially the way he thinks?
His parents most likely has it predetermine as to who he is to marry? Basic sex or no sex and stunk in India for life? That would worry any of us and he at least understands why he got to get out of the house?
Get a job outside of India and get your freedom boy? Otherwise you be visiting staying at the Marine Hotel and walking up and down Beach road holding hands with you India buddies trying to negotiate a score. Or you could be hiding under a bed ripping off fellow mongers when they take off their clothes and throw it on the floor. LOL.
Until you get a job outside of India I can understand why you hate your life?
I usually don't judge people. But could hold back this time.
This is a forum for sharing experiences, and not sharing your sorrows of life or your bank balance.
However big your bank balance would be, you may end up in bed with the same girl who slept with a man earning half as yours. Its about the attitude and not about how much your wallet weighs.
I was in Phuket last week. Read my posts. I ended up having a time of my life, irrespective of what I earn in life. I scored a girl each nite (2 on one night) and I had another 4-5 wanting to come home with me, rather eager to come with me. I didn't show them my wallet. I was just nice to them. They would have charged me the same. Thats what they work for. But its the attitude and service that differs.
So stop cribbing. Book your tickets and take a holiday, and after that get back to your job and home.
Another piece of advice. You are way too young and may easily fall in love for a girl who holds your hand or kisses you passionately. Don't let your guard down. Remember who they are, and who you are.
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