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There seem to be many negative reports about Pattaya lately. Is it really that bad? Still worth visiting?Pattaya is always worth the visit, in my estimation, but it definitely goes through its shifts and changes. Right now it is low season, the weather sucks, Beach road is torn to shreds with the renovation project, and there is general sense of local people needing more money than they are getting from the pockets of the visiting Farang. Also, I'm seeing the cycle of change happening with some of the regular places I visit, in that some girls are moving on to other things (read: lesser-paying jobs) , and being replaced by new, fresher, and skinnier girls. The Thai lady you paid 2, 500 TBH for short time from that fancy Go Go can now be found asking for 1000 or less, now she is working at a Beer Bar. Same pussy, but in a more jaded girl. Case in point, last night. In returning along Beach Road I bumped into two girls that I had, last year, taken out of a Go Go for a three way, at a total cost of 5, 000 THB + lady drinks. Last night, on Coconut Bar at 11 pm on a Friday night, they both agreed to back with me for 1000 THB apiece, overnight. Such is the Circle Of Life, here in Pattaya.
There are still beautiful girls here, but you have to look around. There are also many who have done the Pattaya-Isaan back-and-forth journey several times, and are deeply disappointed they have not yet lined up one or two sponsors, or are just plain bored with the whole P4P scene. You can understand why, when fresh stock pours in annually from Isaan: young and hot girls who get all the attention, and leaving just scraps for their seasoned older sisters and cousins. Additionally, I suspect the world economic situation is affecting the overall flow of THB into Pattaya, with people watching their budget more closely.
I'm now thinking about heading over to explore some other places, and reduce time spent in Pattaya. But still, if convenience is what you want, and hunting is your game, Pattaya is still #2 on the P4P scene. Now, if only I can find the place that is #1, I'll be off there. I suspect that Bangkok may be that place, but be prepared to pay much, much more than right here.
- Gunga
Streetwalker7
07-13-13, 02:36
Pattaya is always worth the visit, in my estimation, but it definitely goes through its shifts and changes. Right now it is low season, the weather sucks, Beach road is torn to shreds with the renovation project, and there is general sense of local people needing more money than they are getting from the pockets of the visiting Farang. Also, I'm seeing the cycle of change happening with some of the regular places I visit, in that some girls are moving on to other things (read: lesser-paying jobs) , and being replaced by new, fresher, and skinnier girls. The Thai lady you paid 2, 500 TBH for short time from that fancy Go Go can now be found asking for 1000 or less, now she is working at a Beer Bar. Same pussy, but in a more jaded girl. Case in point, last night. In returning along Beach Road I bumped into two girls that I had, last year, taken out of a Go Go for a three way, at a total cost of 5, 000 THB + lady drinks. Last night, on Coconut Bar at 11 pm on a Saturday night..I can say Bangkok is number 1. And yes it does cost more. Due to the fact there are actually hot girls all over the darn place.
There are many agogo girls who would do themselves justice by stepping off the agogo stage and going to work at the nearest beer garden or open air type bar.
The sponsor thing got to be overrated. We only hear about the few who can and not about the 1000s who cannot.
There seem to be many negative reports about Pattaya lately. Is it really that bad? Still worth visiting?That report was full of negativity and brash - "I'm young and handsome", however when going to the physical quality of women is mostly correct, there few lookers and be prepared to have competition for them, plus you may get poor attitude and service in any case.
Still better here than "home".
Streetwalker7
07-13-13, 17:21
That report was full of negativity and brash. "I'm young and handsome", however when going to the physical quality of women is mostly correct, there few lookers and be prepared to have competition for them, plus you may get poor attitude and service in any case.
Still better here than "home".Stop with all this there are few good lookers in Pattaya. You guys make a certain poster who has never been there look good!
The hotel desk clerk gave her the usual Thai interrogation all girls get, as we all negotiate the border checkpoint between the road and my bed. 'Name? ', he asked her, in Thai. He paused, comparing her stuttered response with the I'd. 'What is your birthday? ' he asked, again in Thai, staring intently at her I'd.What interrogation? I've never stayed in a hotel where they asked the girl any questions whatsoever, and in many of hotels they don't even ask to see or keep the ID card. I admit I only stay at hotels in the 500-1000 baht range.
Why didn't you simply take your girl to a short-time hotel? That's the recommended practice anyway, for safety.
I can say Bangkok is number 1. And yes it does cost more. Due to the fact there are actually hot girls all over the darn place.Where are these hot girls? I don't usually do much mongering in Bangkok, although I'm occasionally there on business for a couple of days and usually stay in Nana and go have a look at Patpong.
I never see 'hot girls' anywhere, and the quality I see doesn't really look much different from Pattaya (that is, equally poor in both cases)
Crazy4Thai
07-14-13, 01:34
I can say Bangkok is number 1. And yes it does cost more. Due to the fact there are actually hot girls all over the darn place.
There are many agogo girls who would do themselves justice by stepping off the agogo stage and going to work at the nearest beer garden or open air type bar.
The sponsor thing got to be overrated. We only hear about the few who can and not about the 1000s who cannot.A Harold444 by any other name is still a Harold444. You can always tell by the same old tired rant.
As far as the sponsor topic goes I know a woman in Pattaya with a t-shirt shop who is the spitting image of Olive Oil's 50 year old sister. Her number might be a 3. In the 10 years that I've known her she has had at least 5 sponsors and one married her for a few years before he woke up. Think about it. She's old, far from pretty, does not even work bar but is very much in the game. So what do you suppose the lovelies, even the 6's and 7's can pull off?
Member #4414
07-14-13, 02:03
(snip) Right now it is low season, the weather sucks(snip)Ain't that true. Being the first time I've been here in July after several visits to the country over the years, how dissapointing with all these thickly overcast skies that hang there for days on end (until the rain comes and hammers everything) that remind me more of a winter in Europe if it wasn't for the warmth. Comparing to April, May, June, August, September, November and December, July (this year at least) only seems to be handing out the occasional hour or two of of sunshine every few 'days' (apart from yesterday in Bangkok, which was a surprise 'gleamer' day). Not a month I'd recommend to anyone (weather wise) , at least based on July so far.
NomadicMong
07-14-13, 02:25
Returned after a couple of weeks LOS time.
Few updates if you already not known.
Walking Street.
Two new GoGos (opened in last 4 to 6 months I was told)
Sensations. Baccara style. Nothing special. 1500 BF with 3000 LT and 2000 ST.
SugarBaby. Good line up. Fairly young, warm crowd. 1500 BF with 3000 LT and 2000 ST.
Alcatraz was as usual with good pole dancer.
What's up. Stand up to it name of pure fun. As always, having fun at the bar than pressure to bar fine.
Angle Witch. Shows are good as before. They have a amazon like thai girl who is their best dancer. She is new I think as I haven't seen her last year.
XZone. As always little extreme but very good waitresses and take care of you very much.
BabyDoll. Looks like more of Ladyboy club at least for me. Not much luck.
Baccara. Tried. But still not my cup of tea still.
Not sure if I missed any other good place. If so, please advice. Heading back again in Sept 1st week.
LK Metro area.
Campaign . Boring.
Devils Den. Biggest disappointment of this trip. I would say more of surprise as excitement is not there with girls.
Blizz. OK but can't replace lollipop. Need to find a good BJ place. I would like to get some advice on this area.
LK Renaissance is as good as usual GF hotel.
Where are these hot girls? I don't usually do much mongering in Bangkok, although I'm occasionally there on business for a couple of days and usually stay in Nana and go have a look at Patpong.
I never see 'hot girls' anywhere, and the quality I see doesn't really look much different from Pattaya (that is, equally poor in both cases) What's a "hot girl"? See anything here you like:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=girls&qpvt=girls&FORM=IGRE#a
Earlier this year in Asia, BTW, I did perhaps the most smoking hot girl I've ever seen in my life. That includes tens of thousands of sexy babes I've seen in internet porn. Surprisingly, the service & attitude was in step with the looks. And you might be amazed at where I found her & the price.
Streetwalker7
07-14-13, 13:59
A Harold444 by any other name is still a Harold444. You can always tell by the same old tired rant.
As far as the sponsor topic goes I know a woman in Pattaya with a t-shirt shop who is the spitting image of Olive Oil's 50 year old sister. Her number might be a 3. In the 10 years that I've known her she has had at least 5 sponsors and one married her for a few years before he woke up. Think about it. She's old, far from pretty, does not even work bar but is very much in the game. So what do you suppose the lovelies, even the 6's and 7's can pull off?I know Rainbow 4 girl who doesn't work because of sponsorship. Quite a pretty girl, good earner. I would think guy has to be paying at least $2500 a month, and this has been going on for at least 4 years. That's over $120,000, and I have to believe my estimate is on the low side. Her friends that I know are quite the low earners whom I'm trying to get more intelligence from. What is the set-up, all the nitty gritty details.
Sponsorship is just something you can't see. You need inside info. From those in the know. I haven't a clue what percentage of them have sponsor. I just can't think its too many. Are there that many idiots out there?
What interrogation? I've never stayed in a hotel where they asked the girl any questions whatsoever, and in many of hotels they don't even ask to see or keep the ID card. I admit I only stay at hotels in the 500-1000 baht range.Well, your hotel price range will not give you this experience, that much is certain. But just so you know for future reference, every business-class hotel is concerned about theft, and also about the under-age / false I'd problem. That's why the 3, 000 baht range hotel desk people care. Also, business people who stay at hotels in this price range have more stuff to steal, and making sure the I'd is real deters the amateur thief. And, the more adventurous scam artists out there.
Of course, using a short-time hotel makes a lot of sense, I agree with you. But, when push comes to shove, I'd rather have my own room, and amenities. I have no problem with Soi Six, but for an overnight I want nice digs.
- Gunga
that's why the 3, 000 baht range hotel desk people care.aha, kinda interesting theory.
unfortunately in all my stays in mid- and high-level hotels i never ever experienced something like an interview for the girl i brought with me. they always took the id of the girl, checked it and wished us a good night. actually i usually stay away from very young girls, so i don't have to worry about **** girls.
some hotels call you and asked if everything is ok, when your guest want to leave the hotel again (happened to me at dusit d2 in pattaya) , but that's all
...every business-class hotel is concerned about theft, and also about the under-age / false I'd problem. That's why the 3, 000 baht range hotel desk people care. Also, business people who stay at hotels in this price range have more stuff to steal, and making sure the I'd is real deters the amateur thief. And, the more adventurous scam artists out there.
Of course, using a short-time hotel makes a lot of sense, I agree with you. I have no problem with Soi Six, but for an overnight I want nice digs.
Seems like it aught to be the guest's decision regarding the theft risk. Sounds like a very undesirable class of hotel.
Also regarding short time hotels, there's no need to go to Soi Six and take one of those - you can take any girl from any venue to one of the many independent short time hotels around the Pattaya area, 100-300 baht short time typically. I've never gone long-time with a sex-worker in my life.
Member #4387
07-14-13, 20:36
aha, kinda interesting theory.
unfortunately in all my stays in mid- and high-level hotels i never ever experienced something like an interview for the girl i brought with me. they always took the i'd of the girl, checked it and wished us a good night. actually i usually stay away from very young girls, so i don't have to worry about **** girls.
some hotels call you and asked if everything is ok, when your guest want to leave the hotel again (happened to me at dusit d2 in pattaya) , but that's all
even if it is high end hotel we talk about like kempinski, hyatt, centre point t21, swissotel, lebua, novotel platinum etc etc it is all a matter if i bring my girls to the reception. most of the times i just meet them lets say in the lobby and we just head for the room without going by the receptionarea. in places like this i only cater the none p4p market as in regular normal girls. but i can not say the hotelstaff are pushy in knowing who my guest are(and they dont know if it is a prostitute or a normal girl except from these girl are very well behaved, dressed and looks very "good, as in nice and kind). i can actually not remember it has happened except for one time in swissotel/beijing(but maby memory serves me wrongly now).. but when they leave without me i often get a call from security "your guest is leaving - everything ok?". how the fuck do they know where she comes from? i guess surveilance takes place even if we like it or not, hehe..
i am more used to girls beeing asked for id in more mid-ranged options(like grand president in suk soi 11 and in pattis lk empress). atleast in the beginning they asked all my girls for id. after they started to know my face around there they stop asking as i trust my own judgment(and mostly it is fine).. ascott makati same - and here i bring alot of girls both p4p and normal. receptionist just saying "hi" when walking past the reception and no id required but everytime a girl leave - "your guest is leaving - everything ok?" hehe....
I know Rainbow 4 girl who doesn't work because of sponsorship. Quite a pretty girl, good earner. I would think guy has to be paying at least $2500 a month, and this has been going on for at least 4 years. That'sI can be surprised but I am more surprised on how you know this. Did the girl tell you that? Any proof?
Surely it is even cheaper than maintaining a mistress in PRC or Japan or anywhere else in the western world (if she stays exclusive)
It is not even much (still far too much for Thailand, even if velvet lining pussy and she brings everytime 2 girl friends to fill the bed) di per se, but unless you are th eone paying or a very close friend of the guy paying, IMHO I would be suspicious about such a statement.
Member #4387
07-14-13, 23:24
I can be surprised but I am more surprised on how you know this. Did the girl tell you that? Any proof?
Surely it is even cheaper than maintaining a mistress in PRC or Japan or anywhere else in the western world (if she stays exclusive)
It is not even much (still far too much for Thailand, even if velvet lining pussy and she brings everytime 2 girl friends to fill the bed) di per se, but unless you are th eone paying or a very close friend of the guy paying, IMHO I would be suspicious about such a statement.US2500 sounds crazy but there are also crazy guys out there who are probably willing to pay up for exclusive pussy (atleast they think the pussy is exclusively theirs). I have met one girl in Thailand living in a guys apartment above the Emporium shopping mall and even access to his car. This guy visited Thailand 2-3 times a year (I don't know if she got additional money or any ammount though). She brought me back and we fucked like rabbits (so much for exclutivity).
In Phils a couple of weeks ago I had a girl showing me her skype, e-mails- and datingsitecommunication from some other punters. I had to laugh as she got from 3sponsors 50000piso (40000bht) each month all together. Not even met in real life (I could see that through their communication) only through internet. She laughed and I laughed. But ofcourse when you meet girls telling you they have sponsors I think maby the girls in general maby raise the numbers a bit (atleast while telling other girls operating the same way).
I did tell in the photothread something like when you visit the zoo you see signs "don't feed the animals" in immigrations all over SEA there should be big unavoidable signs telling "don't sponsor prostitutes as she will fuck others no matter what".
Bill Miami
07-15-13, 00:09
"Need to find a good BJ place. I would like to get some advice on this area."
"My Friend You Bar" on Soi 6, by far the best in the city.
Streetwalker7
07-15-13, 01:25
I can be surprised but I am more surprised on how you know this. Did the girl tell you that? Any proof?
Surely it is even cheaper than maintaining a mistress in PRC or Japan or anywhere else in the western world (if she stays exclusive)
It is not even much (still far too much for Thailand, even if velvet lining pussy and she brings everytime 2 girl friends to fill the bed) di per se, but unless you are th eone paying or a very close friend of the guy paying, IMHO I would be suspicious about such a statement.No proof. But I did see the sponsor (farang with long pointy nose slim build, wears glasses) with said girl in the bar many a times. Darn it, I miss her a lot. Her friends even tell me to call her and say hello- they have her phone number and were willing to let me call on their mobile.
Here's my analysis. A popular Rainbow girl should be able to get 5 barfines a week, at least. Thats $375 then you add in salary, tips, drink commissions. One should easily make $500 a week. Or $2000 a month.
To make it worthwhile for the girl to leave the bar one needs to replace her bar income and then add a premium to it. Hence my figure of $2500.
Of course if the girl didn't like bar work maybe $1,500 a month would be sufficient. Highly doubtful though as I recal this girll needed to fund her farm family. I couldn't believe it when she told me her momma makes her help pull weeds or harvest the crops on their farm. You just don't make a good looker with nice tits do farm work. Girls who do farm work just don't age well.
Just guessing. I'm no expert on sponsorship. It's not something one can see and observe.
LittleBigMan
07-15-13, 12:09
"Need to find a good BJ place. I would like to get some advice on this area."
"My Friend You Bar" on Soi 6, by far the best in the city.Not sure if you are responding to another poster or asking a question? Either way MFYB, the person to see is Chompoon but get her early? By night she is either gone or upstairs doing her upteen customer?
No proof. But I did see the sponsor (farang with long pointy nose slim build, wears glasses) with said girl in the bar many a times.
Just guessing. I'm no expert on sponsorship. It's not something one can see and observe.Just to puthtings in perspection. Was that amount your assumption or her statement? I am just curious on which basis somebody is paying 2500$ a month to a thai girl and seeing her from tine to time.
Unless she has some fine arts we do not know about. But still. 30k a year?
Fun Filled
07-15-13, 13:53
I am from India. We do have Bachelor of Business Administration In India. What will I get by lying people? Yea a few months ago I did post I was "18" it was a mistype and I meant 19. My birthday is in June so I turned 20 B-) Yes I do earn $5, 000 a month and all is saved because in India we all live with our parents, like everyone. We don't move out, that's the tradition, Joint Family, like in Japan so I don't incur expenses on food, shelter, clothing etc. I am working for flipkart as a marketing assistant for eastern zone hence the big package. So here it is, I didn't need to clarify but young and full of rage to prove myself you see. \
And yes as I told I have been to Bangkok "with my parents" so it was a family trip, never been here alone so I don't have nay idea about the mongering scene except for walk in MP's! Iv nothing to clarify, I just want genuine opinions and help. Thank you people.
Call me dumb, stupid whatever, it really doesn't matter. Am working my ass off to earn so I can happily have an enjoyable life ahead, for your info I did the research myself an found if a company based in Thailand employs me I can be in Thailand for as many years as I like, so already applied to many MNC's.
Cheers
The so called "DUMBFUCK"Yeh so called Dumbfuck. Nish nish lying is an art and you still have to perfect it. In your previous post you say you are commerce graduate and in this post you say you are business graduate. I am still thinking. Now you say you are just 20. That mean you have just completed your graduation and you are making $ 5000.00 a month. I am sure most of us must be jealous of you. Even few guys from IIT and IIM don't get that kind of package.
Even I failed to under stand if you making $5000 how can you have saving of 50000 in 5 month. Cause 10% tax at source (TDS) will be deducted by your employee and since you come under 30% tax bracket you will still have 20% TAX liability.
So just get your fact right.
Streetwalker7
07-15-13, 14:04
Just to puthtings in perspection. Was that amount your assumption or her statement? I am just curious on which basis somebody is paying 2500$ a month to a thai girl and seeing her from tine to time.
Unless she has some fine arts we do not know about. But still. 30k a year?Purely my deduction. See my forensic financial analysis. Tell if I'm way off or in the ballpark. It doesn't take a lot for a hot girl to make $1500 a month hooking at Rainbow 4.
You don't believe me or what? I've stated what is fact (I've seen the sponsor and sat next to him) and what is me speculating (the financial details).
Another tidbit- when her friends show me an updated photo of BAM she loooks really really good. Then they show me another one where she is without make-up- she don't look so good. LOL.
I've never seen her without her cosmetics face. So who knows what amount she actually commands.
NomadicMong
07-15-13, 18:02
Not sure if you are responding to another poster or asking a question? Either way MFYB, the person to see is Chompoon but get her early? By night she is either gone or upstairs doing her upteen customer?Thanks a bunch for advice for both of you. I will try it out in Sept.
Purely my deduction. See my forensic financial analysis. Tell if I'm way off or in the ballpark. It doesn't take a lot for a hot girl to make $1500 a month hooking at Rainbow 4.
You don't believe me or what? I've stated what is fact (I've seen the sponsor and sat next to him) and what is me speculating (the financial details).
Another tidbit- when her friends show me an updated photo of BAM she loooks really really good. Then they show me another one where she is without make-up- she don't look so good. LOL.
I've never seen her without her cosmetics face. So who knows what amount she actually commands.I believe onnthe fact you saw the sposnit and on your deductions, but not much, and maybe I am wrong, in her "statements". I mean, sometime girls tend to show off what they don't have, not to lose face with the friends.
What is puzzling me is somebody paying 2500$ to a girl each month. For 12 months. I have a (girl) Irene who aha a kind of a sponsor and pays her the flights from BKK to Phuket when he goes there for a week or ten days, and pays her friend toomsonshe has somebody along. And there is no sex, believe it or not (thats what she says). But I am not so sure she gets more than a 1000€ average per month. That makes 40000 baht, which is quite something for Thailand. A gogo girl can earn 60/80k baht a month, no doubt. But that comes from making a lot of BF' and many ST's.
For sake of argument a girl might expect and get 4000 be. For LT, but I doubt a single punter, booking her for 10 days, will pay 40. 000. That is my theory. IMHO.
The hotel desk clerk gave her the usual Thai interrogation all girls getNot sure why Gunga is getting grief over this innocuous statement. I read it as a colorful description of what happens at every reputable hotel. The 'interrogation' can range from taking the girls identification and filing it away, to having a short conversation with the girl about the procedure (we take I.D., you go up and be respectful of the furniture, you come down, we call up to the guest to make sure everything is ok, you get your I.D. back). Nothing wrong with Gunga's description, except that it's an interesting way to capture the annoying nature of this banal event.
Why didn't you simply take your girl to a short-time hotel? That's the recommended practice anyway, for safety.Again, I am with Gunga on this one, no disrespect to Opebo. I really don't like short time hotels. I guess I prefer to see the linens I am fucking on, and to know that the last person to shower in the stall was me. I know, it's irrational, but I feel safer and more comfortable in a room that I have for a longer period of time. Just my preference, and that's it.
Mr Enternational
07-15-13, 21:41
What is puzzling me is somebody paying 2500$ to a girl each month. For 12 months. But I am not so sure she gets more than a 1000€ average per month. That makes 40000 baht, which is quite something for Thailand. A gogo girl can earn 60/80k baht a month, no doubt. But that comes from making a lot of BF' and many ST's.
For sake of argument a girl might expect and get 4000 be. For LT, but I doubt a single punter, booking her for 10 days, will pay 40. 000. That is my theory. IMHO.If that were the case we would see a bunch of these girls living in the lap of luxury, in plush condos, driving new motorbikes and new Toyotas. And I just don't see that happening around here. You can talk about them sending money home, but even if they did rake in $2500 they would not be fool enough to send $2000 to their family and live off of $500 (as you can tell is probably what most of these girls live off of - if that). Anyway, I think that what the girl makes off just working in the gogo is grossly overestimated by many mongers on this board. They figure, "She is my style and I'm sure all the other punters like her so she has to be getting barfined 2 or 3 times everyday at 2000 baht/pop (or more judging from many reports)." You show me a gogo girl that is making US$4000/month. Shit ain't happening.
Streetwalker7
07-16-13, 01:41
If that were the case we would see a bunch of these girls living in the lap of luxury, in plush condos, driving new motorbikes and new Toyotas. And I just don't see that happening around here. You can talk about them sending money home, but even if they did rake in $2500 they would not be fool enough to send $2000 to their family and live off of $500 (as you can tell is probably what most of these girls live off of - if that). Anyway, I think that what the girl makes off just working in the gogo is grossly overestimated by many mongers on this board. They figure, "She is my style and I'm sure all the other punters like her so she has to be getting barfined 2 or 3 times everyday at 2000 baht/pop (or more judging from many reports)." You show me a gogo girl that is making US$4000/month. Shit ain't happening.I agree $4000 is tough if one takes many days off for whatever reason, menstruation, etc.
Number 37 at Rainbow 4 is about the biggest moneymaker there is. She does get barfined almost everytime I'm there I see it with my own eyes and I'm usually there for no more than an hour. I have to believe she also get bf's when I'm not there at a high rate. If she doesn't get barfined it's an event. She will let me feel her up for a nominal fee. LOL. But many times I can't even say hello as she has a customer.
Once recently I even saw her go to the short time room at 8 pm, which means she also starts earlier than most of the hot chicks. 3 customer days probably not uncommon for this girl.
This girl can easily clear $1000 a week. The part I don't know about is how long can she go without taking extended holidays. The vagina can only take so much-one would think. LOL. Now, I haven't seen her for a while. No work no money!
2nd example of girl clearing $1000 a week. My Rainbow 4 favorite. She says she gets 1 customer a day. I think she gets more. LOL. Another one where I see her gettting barfined. Say she get 9 customers a week, thats$675 right there. Add in another $200 as she does do long time. Voila $1000 for a week. And this girl will work 3 weeks staright before heading home to drop off the baht to momma.
3rd example. Just last night I asked Rainbow 4 girl how much customers she gets in a day. She said 1-I think more. LOL. Another case where I see girl being barfined constantly.
I'm not saying these girls make $4k a month but these are some of the better earners I see. Examples 2 and 3 I estimate to make almsot $3000 a month. Quite successful one would think. LOL.
PS I don't ask girls who I don't see getting barfined how many customers they get. LOL.
Prelude to my next topic.
Rainbow 1. Customer base so small how do they make money. Theres just not enough customer money in that joint to make the girls happy. This place I don't see girls getting bfined constantly like at R4 R2 and Baccara.
35 girls working last night ending of prime time hours. I counted 12 customers. The baht just don't add up. And this place has pretty girls.
Streetwalker7
07-16-13, 02:19
I believe onnthe fact you saw the sposnit and on your deductions, but not much, and maybe I am wrong, in her "statements". I mean, sometime girls tend to show off what they don't have, not to lose face with the friends.
What is puzzling me is somebody paying 2500$ to a girl each month. For 12 months. I have a (girl) Irene who aha a kind of a sponsor and pays her the flights from BKK to Phuket when he goes there for a week or ten days, and pays her friend toomsonshe has somebody along. And there is no sex, believe it or not (thats what she says). But I am not so sure she gets more than a 1000€ average per month. That makes 40000 baht, which is quite something for Thailand. A gogo girl can earn 60/80k baht a month, no doubt. But that comes from making a lot of BF' and many ST's.
For sake of argument a girl might expect and get 4000 be. For LT, but I doubt a single punter, booking her for 10 days, will pay 40. 000. That is my theory. IMHO.Stop being puzzled. LOL. You are bringing back fond memories of this girl. I really liked her.
I have no freaking idea what guy is paying. I just made a guesstimate of what I think would be appropriate. My thinking is you need to replace hooking income then add a premium for girl to take the offer. Even a bottome feeder type girl would need $1500 a month to hang up the bra and panties. LOL. Who knows.
Lets say guy is paying $1500 a month is that more acceptable and believable? To me no matter the amount it is just stupid. LOL.
If her friends were willing to let me call Bam it leads me to believe sponsor still lives in Europe.
Your example of a 10 day barfine. Why wouldn't guy pay 40, 000. If girl is hot she should ask for more!
Girl has never made any statements to me about her deal and I never asked her directly. Looking back I wish I was a bit more inquisitive.
Sponsorship is just something you can't see. You need inside info. From those in the know. I haven't a clue what percentage of them have sponsor. I just can't think its too many. Are there that many idiots out there?There is _plenty_. However, sponsorship goes by strange almost unpredictable mechanisms. I know this older laundry lady that works the Walking Street pub occasionally, she's slim, in good shape, has good manners, good English and good conversation. Performs decently in bed (without being a tigress) , unlike the "no this and no that" girls. She also tried the dating websites, yet far nothing has worked for her, no BF, and no sponsor, and the months / years are going by.
But as you walk you see truly ugly, overweight women with men apparentely even younger than them, and we heard how they had multiple sponsors. I believe the stories about trucks and homes bought over the years to be true. Other Thai ladies are the first to be surprised when they come across an old shag sucking out money off foreigners better than hot go-go girls. And of course for the latter is really not too difficult to make decent figures. I have also seen girls with unexpected economic resources, as I mentioned time ago, the ladybar driving a brand new Yaris, that was supposed to be for her father, but she just stuck to it for now. I never gave her much, but she never mentioned I should have. Few nights ago I had a young cuties overnight for 1K, she works in a bar and (according to her) the regular fee for ST is 2K including 300 barfine. She didn't had any issue with the large difference.
The mechanics of money flowing around pussy is just surprising here, things are not so plain as one may think.
I agree $4000 is tough if one takes many days off for whatever reason, menstruation, etc.I don't dispute that there are girls earning quite some money every month, with many BF's, as you assume. But how many a night? Two? Three? Every single night of the month they work? And for how many months.
It also means there is a large customer base for her (and her alone) putting together such a number of BF's (and ST's) , even if a few customers might do a repeat for a couple of nights. She has to put together at least 40 to 50 customers a month. Her alone. With a significant wearing of her main asset. 50 customers a month at 2000b. Each makes 100. 000b, ie 3200$.
What I dispute is that there is a single customer who can hand over such an amount of money for many months. And what for? To get back what? Propriety? Exclusivity? What is the sense? To be rude, how much time will he spend with her each month and how many times is he going to fuck her? I know, life is not all around how many times you do it in a day, but still. 3/4000$ for a nice company? I know, people pays 1000$ for an evening with an escort, but he is then going to do that 4 times a month, every months?
Some mighty exists, but not many. Maybe that girl hit the jackpot, if the ASSUMPTIONS made so far have a base of reality.
I have a friend who goes to Singapore and she can make 100, 000b. in the 4 weeks she stays there. But goes there only 3-4 times a year. The rest of her time she stays home with the family (Issan) or works in same bars in BKK. That means the 100000b per month is a peak and happens a few times a year, not every month. I don't know how much she makes when in BKK, though. But whatever she makes, as an average month through a year including the Singapore spells, will come out surely less than 50, 000b. Still remarkable, no doubt. This for sure is also not going to last for a decade, mind you.
Streetwalker7
07-16-13, 06:21
I don't dispute that there are girls earning quite some money every month, with many BF's, as you assume. But how many a night? Two? Three? Every single night of the month they work? And for how many months.
It also means there is a large customer base for her (and her alone) putting together such a number of BF's (and ST's) , even if a few customers might do a repeat for a couple of nights. She has to put together at least 40 to 50 customers a month. Her alone. With a significant wearing of her main asset. 50 customers a month at 2000b. Each makes 100. 000b, ie 3200$.
What I dispute is that there is a single customer who can hand over such an amount of money for many months. And what for? To get back what? Propriety? Exclusivity? What is the sense? To be rude, how much time will he spend with her each month and how many times is he going to fuck her? I know, life is not all around how many times you do it in a day, but still. 3/4000$ for a nice company? I know, people pays 1000$ for an evening with an escort, but he is then going to do that 4 times a month, every months?
Some mighty exists, but not many. Maybe that girl hit the jackpot, if the ASSUMPTIONS made so far have a base of reality.You do not hang out on a frequent basis at Thailands top agogos I must presume.
Go to Rainbow 4 and observe number 37. Her price isn't 2000 a short time session. She gets 2500 a session. Really I think she should charge more due to the wear and tear on her body. Less customers at a higher rate will lenghten this girls career and earning power.
You a tough nut to crack. LOL.
Back to the sponsored girl. Put yourself in her shoes. You make 1700$ a month at Rain. 4. How much would it take to get you out of the bar?
Back to the guy. Who knows what his motivations are. Maybe he really wants the girls vagina for exclusive use. Maybe he sees himself as a knight in shining armour. Maybe he just stupid. I think he just stupid. LOL.
As for money. People have it. Just because you wouldn't sponsor a hooker doesn't mean someone else wouldn't. I still don't understand why someone would eat a strangers
Shit. But they do. LOL.
Back to the 3 examples of Rain. 4 girls doing quite well for themselves. I'm not making assumptions per se based on a small sample size. Over the past year, or half a year, whatever applies to each girl, I see them getting barfined a lot.
You see the same girl getting pulled offstage is the first sign. 2nd sign you know they closed the deal is they go to pick up thier purse and go change clothes.
The assumption I make is if it happens often when I'm there it must also happen when I'm not there.
Member #4178
07-16-13, 07:55
They stops farangs only with motorbikes and gives them a ticket. I saw a guy with helmet and proper driving license got one.
Non of the thai were stoped. It's all about money not law. Actuly its about white since rich thai are not being stops.
They stops farangs only with motorbikes and gives them a ticket. I saw a guy with helmet and proper driving license got one.
Non of the thai were stoped. It's all about money not law. Actuly its about white since rich thai are not being stops.How do you know if he had proper driver's license or the reason he was stopped? The cops do stop Thais too, not as much as Falangs but it happens.
Non of the thai were stoped. It's all about money not law. Actuly its about white since rich thai are not being stops.Just a tiny bit of regular English wold help making your point?
"None", not "Non".
"Stopped", not "stoped"
"Actually, 'not "actuly"
"It's", not "its"
"about white", try inserting a verb here.
"Thais", not "thai"
"Stopped', not "stops".
7 in a sentence, not bad at all.
Anyway, as others have pointed out, you're wrong.
<babbling>What is the point of switching nicks if you keep barking up the same tree?
What is the reason you're so fixated with a single brothel prostitutes, and their income?
Streetwalker7
07-16-13, 18:27
What is the point of switching nicks if you keep barking up the same tree?
What is the reason you're so fixated with a single brothel prostitutes, and their income?I like to know the inside Baseball information about agogos. Meaning I'd like to know all that I can know. I want to know what the various bars are charged for rent. And how do they make rent, payroll, profits with only 3 customers during prime time. LOL.
Some of us are inquisitive- it actually adds to the fun.
I want to know if some girls are in debt to agents who get them their hooker jobs, etc. I want to know why some keep doing what they do with not a customer in sight. LOL.
LittleBigMan
07-17-13, 09:45
Just a tiny bit of regular English wold help making your point?
"None", not "Non".
"Stopped", not "stoped"
"Actually, 'not "actuly"
"It's", not "its"
"about white", try inserting a verb here.
"Thais", not "thai"
"Stopped', not "stops".
7 in a sentence, not bad at all.
Anyway, as others have pointed out, you're wrong.Stick to your point of view! Just because he doesn't agree doesn't mean you go and pick apart his grammar and spelling. You got the point as to what he was saying right or wrong otherwise you wouldn't have gone into detail as to how he should have worded everything.
There is no need to dress him down outside of the topic because he doesn't agree with you!
LBM
have continued as far as soi 13/2, the wreckage continues with some lovely shaded trees having to pay the price, our darlings are going to be burned to a cinder, so if you like them really dark and crispy, try november, all works should be done by the beginning of high season. paving has progressed as far as central pattaya road. just back from the beach after a lovely day in some murky waters. some darlings were selling from central pattaya road towards soi 1. all are offering 500b st.
the tent market has arrived today but appears not to have deterred our loves, i suppose when the market is in full swing come weekend there will be a scarcity of babes about during the day, that is. bottom of beach road is now pretty confined, darlings will be shoulder to shoulder come tonight, a stroll should be in order if you in the area.
soi 6 has been fun, been watching the goings on and had myself a babe out of quickie bar, overnight, she accepted 1000b in the morning, i had spent a bomb getting us both leathered, she must have enjoyed herself, had to run from her today, she being all over me as i stepped form my hotel. got hunted several days back by a stunner from bangkok, don't really enjoy being hunted, makes me all nervous like, after spending several days with her lovely bod i politely told her i needed to spend time alone. cost! nothing. a few meals and being continually raped several times a day, it got pretty tough but somebody has to bear the brunt of horny thai chicks, they got to get their guns off too. she should have paid me lol. anyway, i told her when in bangkok i need a tour guide, she did not respond initially but assured me she would gladly tour me in between the rapage. i somehow get the feeling she may blank me when i call, i'm pretty sure boyfriend is surely around. i have been told by the ladies on the beach, bkk freebie had been by the following day asking of my whereabouts as well as what sort i am.
other matters: a plain clothed policeman, roughly 65, bespectacled, is offering 'coke' at the bottom of beach road, near walking street, i do not believe it to be of the liquid variety, take care gentlemen. i have had the privilege of being taken to a hot babes home in the back regions of pattaya, her room is new and beautiful, finished to a high standard as far as i could see, rent 3000b per month. 500b electricity. outstanding, no ac, but hardly needs any. i did not ask her if i could take photos but will try to get some from her as i am seeing her again, should have more details in the coming week or so. everything in her area is roughly a third of the cost in the tourist areas, however you will need motorcycle if you going to live off the tourist track.
LittleBigMan
07-17-13, 12:44
Always something going on in this great City? It should be a mess on the 21st, the annual Marathon is happening plus there is a two day holiday coming up! Traffic should be a mess as always with the High So Thais from Bangkok spending the weekend in Pattaya. Not sure what is closing but prepare yourself it will be a mess down in the tourist area.
LBM
Stick to your point of view! Just because he doesn't agree doesn't mean you go and pick apart his grammar and spelling. You got the point as to what he was saying right or wrong otherwise you wouldn't have gone into detail as to how he should have worded everything.
There is no need to dress him down outside of the topic because he doesn't agree with you!
LBMThanks, your idiocy made me laugh. Be the defensor of extreme mispelling on my ignore list.
LittleBigMan
07-17-13, 12:57
Thanks, your idiocy made my day. Be happy with the others on my ignore list.Thanks for doing me a favor. It pretty clear you are going to be the new and next H444. Your point is lost because of you attitude and I know it doesn't take much to make your day. I don't use the ignore because it is fun reading things from born fools like you. Enjoy yourself loser and I actually agree with some of the stuff you were saying?
SanLuisMex
07-19-13, 03:45
Just returned from my first trip to Thailand (phuket, ko phi phi, Pattaya, kosamet and BKK). Best trip ever. Any rookies on the fence. GO. Thailand is great. Can't add much more than has been reported. The Thai girls are the best. Enjoyed several on Soi 6. The Quickie Bar was true to its name. Received the mother of all BBBJ didn't even last for the fuck. She laughed and I ended up taking her out to walking street then back to my hotel. Had a magical night.
Must get one thing off my chest. Maybe my expectations were to high. But I was way dissapointed in the Devils Den. I was all pumped up. I played it cool. Chose the smiley girl and let her chose the playmate. Maybe the wrong move. The whole experience was just very plain. I mean I was happy to have sex with two sexy Thai girls. But I asked for a little girl kissing. No. Lick her pussy. No. Strap that on and fuck her. No. Anyway maybe the luck of the pick.
But I love the place. Was planning to go to my first trip to AC in November. But with all the issues with bar raids may happily return to Thailand.
Thanks for all the reports.
Just a tiny bit of regular English wold help making your point?
"None", not "Non".
"Stopped", not "stoped"
"Actually, 'not "actuly"
"It's", not "its"
"about white", try inserting a verb here.
"Thais", not "thai"
"Stopped', not "stops".
7 in a sentence, not bad at all.
Anyway, as others have pointed out, you're wrong.C'mon Marcos! He's the Rachael Jeantel of the board. Don't be hatin', cracka! He new skool. You just old.
:D 555
Have continued as far as Soi 13/2.Good info, thanks for sharing.
Last night, I was at Baby Dolls. This bar is located in the same Soi as Angel Witch and Sapphire, but a bit more towards the Second Road. They have quite a few cuties. Furthermore, as already reported here, they have a quite reasonable barfine system, whereas the fines drop the later it gets. At around 2AM, the fines were down to 400 Baht. The girl, a cutie, very slim and almost a spinner asked for 2000 Baht for overnight. Not bad, so I agreed and had a nice companion until 2PM the next day.
However, what makes me a bit concerned is another observation I made at this bar, it must have been shortly before 2AM. All of a sudden, the girls become nervous and put on their bikinis and miniskirts. Before, they were mostly semi-nude or nude. Also, some of the managers start to run around, to and from the door. I ask my girl: "police", and her answer was clear.
About two minutes later, three officers from the "Tourist Police" enter the bar and look around. They are one blonde woman and two men. Apparently, they are particularly interested in inspecting the bathtub in the background of the bar. However, they don't find anything to complain. All girls wear some clothes. So, the three police people leave the bar, looking a bit stupid, but also slightly arrogant.
I am wondering now, what is the role of the Tourist Police? So far, I thought they should protect the tourists from all kinds of crimes, ranging from getting drugged to petty crimes and pickpockets. They should also be a place to report our complaints.
It is new to me that the Tourist Police is interested whether or not the girls wear clothes. Or are they now also involved in extracting money from the bar owners? So far, I had a relatively good impression of the Tourist Police in general. Some time ago, I also had some quite reasonable talk with an Aussie Police Officer, and he gave me some useful advice and hints. However, after yesterday's observation, I start to have some doubts.
Anybody who knows more about this issue? Thanks for some insight!
Wonderer
last night, i was at baby dolls. .intersting report.
regarding the tourist police inspeaction. i speak without a deep knowledge of the matter, but i can tell you for sure, if they as foreigners have been allowed on premises, it's because the owner knows that the real police has empowered them and is behind them in the operation. otherwise they have virtually zero power legally. why they did that, we can only hipotize, may be an ego-stroking prize given to them, but is still very strange. shakes for money by police are no matter for falangs (tourist police or not) to be part of. sometime plain clothes tourist police are used as decoy in **** sex busts and drugs cases, but that doesn't appear the case here.
btw how the slim girl has perfomed?
There is an obvious difference between the Tourist Police and the Tourist Police volunteers, the volunteers have no police powers per se but the TP are real cops with arrest and police powers. Hope you never have to use their service but the role of the TP is:
http://eng.pattayatouristpolice.com/modules.php?name=TouristaboutUs
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Over the past three decades, the tourism industry of the country has grown rapidly. There are more and more foreign tourists every year, bringing in a large amount of revenue to the country. At the same time, problems of crime and manipulation of tourists have been on the rise. The government has set up an organization to be responsible for tourist safety and well-being, in addition to the local Police. Initially, the private sector, in co-operation with the Tourism Authority of Thailand or the Tourism Organization of Thailand, made a special request to The Royal Thai Police concerning tourist safety. The Royal Thai Police consequently set up the Tourist Safety and Convenience Center (TSCC) , under the Crime Suppression Division. With a staff of 60 policemen, the center registered complaints, investigated matters, and provided protection and safety for tourists in various places and tourist attractions in Bangkok. At that time, the private sector contributed to the venture by donating vehicles and communications equipment for the Police. Meanwhile, the Royal Thai Police worked on establishing the center as the Tourist Police Division so that it would be a permanent organization, responsible for tourist safety and well-being. The Government approved the proposal, in principle, on 24 November 1976, but there were problems with the budget.
The Ministry of Interior was responsible for providing safety and general services for tourists. The Royal Thai Police Department was asked to form the new Police Division which would specialize in dealing with tourists. The Royal Thai Police and the Tourism Authority of Thailand subsequently made some adjustments and changed the TSCC into the Tourist Assistance Center (TAC). The TAC was to provide services to tourists regarding their complaints about crime and manipulation. The TAC's area of responsibility was also expanded to other popular tourist destinations apart from Bangkok, namely, Chiangmai, Pattaya, Phuket and Hatyai. Later in 1992, realizing the importance of the organization, the Government finally established a permanent Tourist Police Organization at Pattaya. Section 5, Direction Division 8, under the Crime Suppression Division, according to the Royal Decree on the division of Government Organization in the Royal Thai Police, the Ministry of Interior (the 10th).2525 B. E.
However, with the rapid growth of the Tourism Industry, both in terms of the increasing number of tourists and widespread tourist attractions all over the country, the structure of the Tourist Police Organization at Direction Division Level was not in line with its responsibility to provide tourists with safety and general services. The government therefore changed the Tourist Police Organization to become the Tourist Police Division, under the Central Investigation Bureau, and changed the Section 5, Direction Division 8 into Tourist Police Station 4, Sub-Division 2, Tourist Police Division, according to the Royal Decree on the division of government organizations in The Royal Thai Police. 2548 B. E, and the Ministerial Regulations on the Division of Government Organization or the other name of government organization in the Royal Thai Police. 2548 B. E, which came into force on 1st July 2005.
Tourist Police Station 4, Sub-Division 2, Tourist Police Division, is located at 609/1 Moo. 10, Pratumnak Road, Pattaya, Banglamung, Chonburi 20150. Tel. 038 429 371, 038 425 937, Fax. 038 410 044, having the responsibilities in the areas of Chonburi, Samutprakarn, and Chachoengsao Provinces.
There is an obvious difference between the Tourist Police and the Tourist Police volunteers, the volunteers have no police powers per se but the TP are real cops with arrest and police powers.Yes. Since Wonderer mentioned one blonde woman and two men, we infer they were foreign voluntereers. They cannot be real police not even in their wildest dreams. While a Thai Tourist Police volunteer (of which there are many) is possibly of a slightly highest status, and could could become a real cop eventually. After paying the admission bribe that I've heard to be about 100K Bt.
Oh and the two minutes passed in between the girls getting "dressed" and the clowns coming in, shows how either the bar was told in advance, or they were visiting all the venues around. Just a show of presence with no real meaning I think.
Sir Lancelot
07-19-13, 17:52
Must get one thing off my chest. Maybe my expectations were to high. But I was way dissapointed in the Devils Den. I was all pumped up. I played it cool. Chose the smiley girl and let her chose the playmate. Maybe the wrong move. The whole experience was just very plain. I mean I was happy to have sex with two sexy Thai girls. But I asked for a little girl kissing. No. Lick her pussy. No. Strap that on and fuck her. No. Anyway maybe the luck of the pick.
But I love the place. Was planning to go to my first trip to AC in November. But with all the issues with bar raids may happily return to Thailand.I'm glad you enjoyed your first trip. It sounds like you had a good itinerary, mixing your girlie adventures with touristc stuff. Regarding Devil's Den, some girls offer a restricted menu but I believe the manager is very upfront and open about the girls, so you could list your expectations when you enter? Alternatively I think their website offers a list of what each girl will do and the girls can be pre-booked too.
As for your next trip, I highly recommend Angeles. The quantity and quality of the girls is excellent, it's much cheaper than Thailand, the girls speak excellent English, the bar-fines are for long-time and the girls perform better, often offering multiple pops as matter of course. You could visit Philippines and do some good mongering in Manila, Angeles and Cebu and perhaps visit Palawan and Chocolate Hills if you want to dilute your adventures with a bit of tourism. Don't let the raids put you off, they are extremely sporadic and the police aren't targeting the tourist, they're targeting the bar-owner.
Crocodilexp
07-19-13, 20:22
While a Thai Tourist Police volunteer (of which there are many) is possibly of a slightly highest status, and could could become a real cop eventually. After paying the admission bribe that I've heard to be about 100K Bt.
Farang throw around too much shit information in Pattaya. I doubt Tourist Police positions are too lucrative. Extracting bribes from foreign tourists is unlikely to be encouraged within that particular branch, bad publicity. Regular Thai police, on the other hand, in an area where they get to regulate (extort for protection) lucrative semi-legal businesses... that's a whole different game financially.
Croc, I never said Tourist Police (not volunteers) pulls bribes from tourists. But they are almost an accessory to Jetsky scams and others, and never will take the side of the foreign / tourist, be reassured. In case of controversies, their job is to mediate the demands until some agreement can be had. In case of more serious crimes thei will proudly use their English skills (!?!) or whatever language is needed to take the report, and that's pretty much it. Remember, police or not, you're on your own in Thailand.
Since I'm here. Not meeting yet the record of two weeks ago when two in row were shown the door (that they never close when marching out) with 1K bath.
This one was a decently good looking Isaan one from Lucifer, with the usual trite story of visting her sister from Bangkok. After one pop she decided that the agreed 1. 5K (already upped from 1K) for BB was meant to be ST. May have to do with the fact that she was another perused unorgasmic hardened hooker. Well, that doesn't work for me.
The problem with such attitudes is that you can have all the greens before, and be surprised after. Well, after all who cares, I only regret having handed her Listerine after CIM.
Croc, I never said Tourist Police (not volunteers) pulls bribes from tourists.
Remember, police or not, you're on your own in Thailand.In my initial post, I forgot to make clear that they three Tourist Police Officers were all falangs. That's also the reason, why I was so puzzled by this action. I have never seen anything similar before, despite plenty of visits to Pattaya. I would be surprised if they extract money from the bar owners. On they other hand. As it has mentioned here. The Tourist Police Volunteers (and they were certainly such Volunteers) have no real police power.
It is also correct that the bar definitely had a pre-warning, be it from their posts outside or be it from other bars. They clearly knew that "some police" is coming. That's also why the girls had time to dress up.
Perhaps, it was really just an "ego trip" of the three. I found it, nevertheless, remarkable.
And, I agree, as Marcos said. In Thailand, you are primarily on your own. Which also means that it may be good to have some (influential) friends, if ever any need arises.
Wonderer
There is an obvious difference between the Tourist Police and the Tourist Police volunteers, the volunteers have no police powers per se but the TP are real cops with arrest and police powers.
Tourist Police Station 4, Sub-Division 2, Tourist Police Division, is located at 609/1 Moo. 10, Pratumnak Road, Pattaya, Banglamung, Chonburi 20150. Tel. 038 429 371, 038 425 937, Fax. 038 410 044, having the responsibilities in the areas of Chonburi, Samutprakarn, and Chachoengsao Provinces.Thanks, Run Mann! Good background information. It is always useful to know a bit in what environment we are in.
Wonderer
Intersting report.
BTW how the slim girl has perfomed?Well, the slim girl performed quite well, but she turned out to be a bit shy. I joined her under the shower, which she apparently did not enjoy too much. As opposed to other girls, who like such kind of foreplay and sometimes even do it under the shower. Much to my pleasure.
In the bed, she was ok, and my DATY made her quite wet. She did not give any BJ, but I did not ask either. During the deed, it appears that she also enjoyed quite a bit, but did not come. After I finished she did not waste any single second to jump out of the bed and to shower again. While it is no big issue, I still like to lie for a moment side by side, after the finish.
She stayed overnight and had a long, deep sleep. I probably could have done a second pop, but was not really in the mood. At around 2PM, she left. I asked to take some pictures, but she only allowed non-nude."Next time", she would allow nude. If there is a next time. Maybe I would do her a next time. I could imagine that this kind of girl opens up a bit, once you know each other better.
If you like more details, you may PM me.
Wonderer
After I finished she did not waste any single second to jump out of the bed and to shower again.In all honesty, don't most of us prefer to have the girl jump out of bed and get on her way unless we have booked an all night.
The trick is to make the agreed two hour short time last two hours so the girl does not leave us physically satisfied but financially unsatisfied because we did not last the two hours.
i just recently returned from my third trip to pattaya, and i found that i still have much to learn about how things work there. if you're planning a trip and don't consider yourself a true expert on pattaya, i suggest you read every post made in the past few months in the pattaya forum so you can be as prepared as possible. i do this before each trip, but even so there are a few things i must have missed or failed to pay attention to and it cost me while i was there. i am going to split my report into two parts. the first post will be about some general issues with taking a trip to pattaya that might make your trip go a little more smoothly. if you're not interested in this, just skip to my next report which will be about the the girls.
airport transportation: when i arrived at bkk, i did not have transportation arranged. in the past, i have taken the bus, but found it to be overcrowded, hot, time consuming, and uncomfortable. i prefer to just take a taxi. the public taxi price from bkk to anywhere in pattaya is set at 1,500 baht. this includes the tolls, which i think are about 60 baht. you will pay the driver when you arrive. i gave a 100 baht tip and he seemed happy enough with that. i think it took about 90 minutes. traffic wasn't too bad at all. on the way back, i stopped off at one of the little booths on the street and arranged for a car to pick me up the next morning. the return price was 1,300 baht. they took me in a nice suv. they wanted me to pay in advance, but (not being very trusting at the time) i told them i would prefer to just pay the driver and they said ok.
transportation in town: while i walked just about everywhere i wanted to go, motorbikes are available for 50 baht to most places you want to go around the immediate area. baht buses run toward walking street on beach road and the opposite direction on second road. just hop on and pay 10 baht when you get off. pay attention so you don't miss your street because they move faster than you think. if there are no people in the baht bus, you can also rent it like you would a taxi. i did that once when leaving the pattaya floating market.
pictures with muay thai boxers: i fell victim to a bit of a scam while i was there, so i am posting this to help you avoid this. one night, i decided to watch some (fake as hell in my opinion) muay thai boxers on walking street. it was somewhat entertaining and i was having a pretty good time. i noticed that many tourists were getting a picture with the boxers, so i accepted the invitation of one of the boxers to have a picture with him. i did not ask a price because it seemed that the tourists were just giving some 100 baht bills as tips. one of the guys working there offered to take the picture. so, i jumped up in the ring and got my picture with one of the boxers and then another came over and jumped in for a few more pics. i said, "thank you." i then pulled out 100 baht for each boxer and they said no and pointed at a 1,000 baht bill in their hand as if to say that is the price. i refused, but then the guy who had my cellphone (value over $600) pointed to it as if to tell me i either pay or he was taking the phone. i was pissed, but realized my mistake was to not check the price in advance. so i have 1, 000 baht to the first boxer and then tried to get my phone and was told to pay the other one 1,000 baht also, which i did. before the guy working there would give me my phone he said i owed him 200 baht for taking the picture. so, i gave him the 200 baht and got back my phone. i was pissed off at being ripped off, but it was a good lesson learned. if you want to have a picture taken with someone there, ask them how much and don't let them have your phone. yes, i was stupid with this one. lesson learned.
ladyboys: while i am not a ladyboy customer myself, i am ok with people doing their business as they wish, however i will say that it seems to me that the number of ladyboys working alongside girls have seemed to dramatically increased since my last visit to pattaya a few years ago. while i was able to easily tell ladyboy from girl, it was annoying to me to find so many dispersed out among the girls in the beer bars and massage places.
bars: speaking of the bars, i found the quality of girls working in the beer bars to be significantly worse than in years past. now, i know many of you will find gems out there in those beer bars and chatting up some of those girls can be a great deal of fun, but i found better luck this time in an agogo bars and bars with a live band (down on walking street near the end of the road). my favorite agogo this time was the office. it is located soi lk metro near devil's den.
girls: it seemed like during this visit, i had more girls trying to get me to sponsor them. they all have their sad story to tell you and i genuinely felt sorry for them, but their story always seemed to end up with trying to get me to sponsor them so they don't have to work in the bars. my guess is many of the girls have multiple sponsors and still keep working in the bars. take care of your business, pay the girl for her time, and move on. unless you marry the girl and take her home with you, i doubt she will stop working in the bar for what you will send her no matter what it is.
massages: you can get a good massage all over town. the cheapest prices i found were 100 baht per hour for foot or thai massage and 200 for oil massage. in most places, you will find double that price which is fairly cheap. my suggestion is to choose an older, thin, but strong looking woman for a massage. if you want a hj or maybe bbj, you can choose the oil massage, however i did not have good experiences with this during this trip. i chose a younger, cute girl and she didn't want to do bj at all and her arm was weak and technique not good enough to take care of business. the older women, while not much to look at, have better technique and strength. for me, i just stuck with foot and regular thai massages with the older women. my last bit of advice is to beware of the bait and switch with massage therapists. don't be shy about asking for a specific girl and insisting on the one you want. remember, cute young women rarely give a good massage.
non-sex tourists: many tour groups (mostly koreans while i was there) are taking tour groups through walking street. they are taking pictures and videos of sex tourists and the girls. they also bring their young children, which i find disgusting. no kid belongs down there at midnight in my opinion. if you really cannot afford to have your picture taken and posted online while hanging out on walking street, you might want to spend time elsewhere. there is a lot to do all over town.
my next report will be about the girls i spent time with while in town.
Crazy4Thai
07-21-13, 01:30
[QUOTE=Nefarious; 1448472]I just recently returned from my third trip to Pattaya, and I found that I still have much to learn about how things work there. If you're planning a trip and don't consider yourself a true expert on Pattaya, I suggest you read every post made in the past few months in the Pattaya forum so you can be as prepared as possible. I do this before each trip, but even so there are a few things I must have missed or failed to pay attention to and it cost me while I was there. I am going to split my report into two parts. The first post will be about some general issues with taking a trip to Pattaya that might make your trip go a little more smoothly. If you're not interested in this, just skip to my next report which will be about the the girls.
Excellent post. Keep 'them coming. I think you made a good call on the taxi decision to not pay in advance. To do so is just asking to be ripped off and if that happened the response would add up to "tell someone who cares". The fake boxing ring is certainly worth a miss. Nearly 20 years ago it was located at the old version of Marine Disco and I found it somewhat believable, certainly entertaining. If I go in there now it's for the ladies, not the boxing and I do not tip the fighters when they come around with their hands out.
Pictures with Muay Thai boxers: I fell victim to a bit of a scam while I was there, so I am posting this to help you avoid this. One night, I decided to watch some (fake as hell in my opinion) Muay Thai boxers on Walking Street. It was somewhat entertaining and I was having a pretty good time. I noticed that many tourists were getting a picture with the boxers, so I accepted the invitation of one of the boxers to have a picture with him. I did not ask a price because it seemed that the tourists were just giving some 100 baht bills as tips. One of the guys working there offered to take the picture. So, I jumped up in the ring and got my picture with one of the boxers and then another came over and jumped in for a few more pics. I said, "Thank you." I then pulled out 100 baht for each boxer and they said no and pointed at a 1,000 baht bill in their hand as if to say that is the price. I refused, but then the guy who had my cellphone (value over $600) pointed to it as if to tell me I either pay or he was taking the phone. I was pissed, but realized my mistake was to not check the price in advance. So I have 1, 000 baht to the first boxer and then tried to get my phone and was told to pay the other one 1,000 baht also, which I did. Before the guy working there would give me my phone he said I owed him 200 baht for taking the picture. So, I gave him the 200 baht and got back my phone. I was pissed off at being ripped off, but it was a good lesson learned. If you want to have a picture taken with someone there, ask them how much and don't let them have your phone. Yes, I was stupid with this one. Lesson learned.Horrible scam. Why you didn't got the Tourist Police, they probably would have negotiated it down for you. That is their job, make sure with some suasion the tourist is still separated from his money, but to a smaller extent.
I just recently returned from my third trip to Pattaya, and I found that I still have much to learn about how things work there.My next report will be about the girls I spent time with while in town.A nicely done report, its link is in the RoD now, for newbies, and not only, to read and learn.
tonight is the first of two days of buddha celebration and all the bars, including go-go's on walkin street were brought to an almost complete shutdown. staff and girls packed up around 1 am and for sure they were relieved for being able to get some sleep or personal time. so for the second time in many weeks i had to tour beach road. the works make the entire thing even more squallid. women are ugly as usualy, except that there were less of them.
it seemed to me to have reached the bottom of my thailand stay, but instead of calling it a night i was in for another exquisite experience, as i spotted a good looking one in shorts, a slim petite with nice legs and a pretty face. i parked on the other side of the road and she realizes she had made a catch and calls me over. st request 700, to which i counter the standard 500 that which immediately accepted, after clarying she was a lady, and that in case of lt upgrade the deadline was to be 6am for her all-important temple visit. i was a little surprised, because her looks were just not normal for the place, and there were many men roaming around. so off we went but it was clear to me since the beginning that she was a cold, disinterested biatch with the name of pupee.
she barely smiled when i handed over a clean towel, and proceeded to the deed with the same passion of an oil changer. i have to give credit to her however for the short massage she gave, that could have been worth bt. 50 alone. uninspired bbbj, no kiss, and her moves were one grade below mechanic. when she mentioned for the third time "no kiss" (and i did not even tried or asked) , i had to remind her that i understood english before she had learned thai. as she mounts cowgirl the infamous "jep jep" words are immediately pronounced, albeit softly, together with other short thai phrases, that if i were able to understand would have probably warranted some abrasive response. somehow things did not went south further than that, and i proceeded to give the harderand longer pounding possible given the circumstances. as i came, she is in the bathroom faster than i could pull of the condom off my cock, when she came out i looked at her skinny legs and flat belly again, then spoke the conversation peak of the night:
you work in a go-go?
"yes", she goes.
which one, i feel compelled to ask.
"happy, but i do not work now, as i have got a motorbike accident".
oh really, and tell me, how much is it to bang you there?
"2000 bt. short time, there are rooms upstair".
good to know i say -while feeling a little sorry for the guys taken for that amount rather than a risible 500- well that's quite a bit of money, considering that you place zero feeling in what you do.
her reply, keeping a straight face, "oh but if i smoke i can boom-boom long time, and so the other ladies there".
i admitted her that i did never screwed a methead (at least one that was high), but could not find the necessary cynism to add that i could not care less about it.
in a totally pointless last act i ride her back to be beach, riding with a morbike taxi driver would have been more fun. as i drop her she doesn't even say bye, while looking already at her smartphone for the time, and the chances of pulling a further trick.
Streetwalker7
07-22-13, 03:15
tonight is the first of two days of buddha celebration and all the bars, including go-go's on walkin street were brought to an almost complete shutdown. staff and girls packed up around 1 am and for sure they were relieved for being able to get some sleep or personal time. so for the second time in many weeks i had to tour beach road. the works make the entire thing even more squallid. women are ugly as usualy, except that there were less of them.
it seemed to me to have reached the bottom of my thailand stay, but instead of calling it a night i was in for another exquisite experience, as i spotted a good looking one in shorts, a slim petite with nice legs and a pretty face. i parked on the other side of the road and she realizes she had made a catch and calls me over. st request 700, to which i counter the standard 500 that which immediately accepted, after clarying she was a lady, and that in case of lt upgrade the deadline was to be 6am for her all-important temple visit. i was a little surprised, because her looks were just not normal for the place, and there were many men roaming around. so off we went but it was clear to me since the beginning that she was a cold, disinterested biatch with the name of pupee...a lesson in bargirl economics. is she really worth 2000 a session? at happy? or is she worth closer to the 500 she accepted from you?
theres this soi cow baccara girl i've been noticing. for some reason she is always on stage where she is fronting me, so i can have a good look. she stand out because she just isn't attractive. is she a 2500 baccara girl even if noone barfines her? or is she a 700 street girl? even on the street she wouldn't be a top strretwalker type. lol.
The fake boxing ring is certainly worth a miss. Nearly 20 years ago it was located at the old version of Marine Disco and I found it somewhat believable, certainly entertaining. If I go in there now it's for the ladies, not the boxing and I do not tip the fighters when they come around with their hands out.The big problem with Marine Disco is that the ring of 20 yrs ago is gone, but the ladies of the same vintage are still hanging there.
Mr Enternational
07-22-13, 04:52
So for the second time in many weeks I had to tour Beach Road. I spotted a good looking one in shorts, a slim petite with nice legs and a pretty face. I parked on the other side of the road and she realizes she had made a catch and calls me over. ST request 700, to which I counter the standard 500 that which immediately accepted,
As I came, she is in the bathroom faster than I could pull of the condom off my cock, when she came out I looked at her skinny legs and flat belly again, then spoke the conversation peak of the night:
You work in a go-go?
"Yes", she goes.
Which one, I feel compelled to ask.
"Happy, but I do not work now, as I have got a motorbike accident".
Oh really, and tell me, how much is it to bang you there?
"2000 Bt. Short time, there are rooms upstair".Sorry you had to get mixed up with a dope fiend. But as many of us have always said, you can find the same girls from the bars and gogos on Beach Road and in the discos for much less. You have now seen first hand that the statements have not been old wives' tales.
Sorry you had to get mixed up with a dope fiend. But as many of us have always said, you can find the same girls from the bars and gogos on Beach Road and in the discos for much less. You have now seen first hand that the statements have not been old wives' tales.Heheh I know that very good, the idea was to describe an unlucky monger's Buddha nigth. Hope it wasn't a story too boring. Anyway, today I got a big surprise from my Isaan beloved multiorgasmic beauty. In an interesting new developement she showed up again and I'm now her secret lover. I won't add more details as one never knows who reads this board, but I should be all set for the time being.
Member #4387
07-22-13, 13:35
Heheh I know that very good, the idea was to describe an unlucky monger's Buddha nigth. Hope it wasn't a story too boring. Anyway, today I got a big surprise from my Isaan beloved multiorgasmic beauty. In an interesting new developement she showed up again and I'm now her secret lover. I won't add more details as one never knows who reads this board, but I should be all set for the time being.If it is one of my girls, then I will get extremely angry and I will put sugar in your motorbikes fueltank, haha.
If it is one of my girls, then I will get extremely angry and I will put sugar in your motorbikes fueltank, haha.Can't be, she's below your minimum income limit :-;
Hotman 666
07-23-13, 14:25
Can't be, she's below your minimum income limit :-;I can not see anything that says she is pregnant!
Therefore she is definitely NOT a Skogis girl!
Hotman.
If you're in Pattaya now or are planning to go, could you please get some pictures of a girl named Dear who works at the bar next to the new McDonald's (also a Subway near too). I am pretty sure the name of the bar is Utopia Rock House (unless they changed it recently). The girl is fairly cute and funny. She is friends with a nice dark skin girl with good boobs. I spent a little time with the girl calling herself "Dear" but I forgot to get pictures of her. Even a few pics with her clothes on would be great. I would appreciate it. I would like to use those pics in my upcoming report that includes her. If you meet her tell her she is beautiful. She might respond with "I know, right!" If she doesn't tell her that a friend of yours told you to remind her to say "I know right!" She will remember me. I was just there last week. Thank you! My report is coming in a few days. Hope your pic can add to it. Thanks in advance.
Mr Enternational
07-23-13, 22:18
The girl is fairly cute and funny. She is friends with a nice dark skin girl with good boobs. I spent a little time with the girl calling herself "Dear" but I forgot to get pictures of her. Even a few pics with her clothes on would be great. I would appreciate it. I would like to use those pics in my upcoming report that includes her. If you meet her tell her she is beautiful.But what if she is not beautiful? Am I supposed to just flat out lie to her?
LittleBigMan
07-24-13, 02:19
But what if she is not beautiful? Am I supposed to just flat out lie to her?You have been here long enough to know small white lies are okay.
LBM
To all american (USA) people here and everywhere in Thailand,
Could you please stop tipping?
Tipping is only customary in the US anywhere else the price include the tips.
If you have money to spend just spend it the regular way stop ruining the fun for others.
Not only tipping doesn't get you anywhere but it makes you look quite stupid and give the general impression that all foreigners fart money and are giving it away as they walk.
Remember, Thai people are only in it for the money, it's business, they couldn't care less about you being happy after the act / taxi trip / hotel stay etc.
No one expects you to tip.
Pay the price and stick to it!
It seems a lot of the recent posts have been mentionning tips.
If you're in Pattaya now or are planning to go, could you please get some pictures of a girl named Dear who works at the bar next to the new McDonald's (also a Subway near too). I am pretty sure the name of the bar is Utopia Rock House.I'll be in Patts for couple of weeks in August. If your report can wait a few weeks I'll be happy to visit Utopia and ask around. Results I obviously cannot promise but I'll sweetmouth her the best I can. Is Utopia at the "far" end of Walking Street?
I'll be in Patts for couple of weeks in August. If your report can wait a few weeks I'll be happy to visit Utopia and ask around. Results I obviously cannot promise but I'll sweetmouth her the best I can.If she is still there and if she will allow you to take pics of her but by the description below, we already have the picture.
Must get one thing off my chest. Maybe my expectations were to high. But I was way dissapointed in the Devils Den. I was all pumped up. I played it cool. Chose the smiley girl and let her chose the playmate. Maybe the wrong move. The whole experience was just very plain. I mean I was happy to have sex with two sexy Thai girls. But I asked for a little girl kissing. No. Lick her pussy. No. Strap that on and fuck her. No. Anyway maybe the luck of the pick.Thanks for your report! My experience with DD were quite similar. At one point one girl was texting while holding a vibrator against my balls and the other was pushing her chest against my face and telling some story to the first. I kind of lost my interest. The girls were pretty enough, but not really beautiful.
While Eden Club "girls" in Bangkok are look wise far (and I mean really far) behind their DD counterparts they in my experience at least give more effort and keep on working all 90 minutes you have paid for. At Eden the ladies were more open to suggestions what to do, too. Maybe a more "in charge"-attitude would yield better service at DD. A 120-minute two girl session at a decent soapie is more my cup of tea, though (more time two recover for that increasingly elusive second pop).
I visited DD in February and Eden in March.
If she is still there and if she will allow you to take pics of her but by the description below, we already have the picture.We do, don't we!
But what if she is not beautiful? Am I supposed to just flat out lie to her?Unknown to most, there is an office at the airport where one can file claims for any issue regarding a Thai Lady or similar item, be that insufficient beauty, lie too mutt, farts in bed or anything else. Each case is accurately reviewed by an independant commission composed of all three genders, and the compensation is awarded on case by case basis. Currently the currency of compensation is beer bottle caps, but potentially you can have many of them. Why not trying your chances, just ask anybody at the airport and they will tell you where to go next.
Unknown to most, there is an office at the airport where one can file claims for any issue regarding a Thai Lady or similar item, .On third floor, below departure, aside the booth of Fantasy Hotel chain.
If you're in Pattaya now or are planning to go, could you please get some pictures of a girl named Dear who works at the bar next to the new McDonald's (also a Subway near too). I am pretty sure the name of the bar is Utopia Rock House (unless they changed it recently). The girl is fairly cute and funny. She is friends with a nice dark skin girl with good boobs. I spent a little time with the girl calling herself "Dear" but I forgot to get pictures of her. Even a few pics with her clothes on would be great. I would appreciate it. I would like to use those pics in my upcoming report that includes her. If you meet her tell her she is beautiful. She might respond with "I know, right!" If she doesn't tell her that a friend of yours told you to remind her to say "I know right!" She will remember me. I was just there last week. Thank you! My report is coming in a few days. Hope your pic can add to it. Thanks in advance.I found 2 different girls who answered to the name "Dear", but this is the only one who would let me take a picture. I sure hope this is the right one.
I found 2 different girls who answered to the name "Dear", but this is the only one who would let me take a picture. I sure hope this is the right one.Great, you have provided the picture, now Nefarious has to provide the report! LOL On that, of course.
I'll be in Patts for couple of weeks in August. If your report can wait a few weeks I'll be happy to visit Utopia and ask around. Results I obviously cannot promise but I'll sweetmouth her the best I can. Is Utopia at the "far" end of Walking Street?Seriously,
I would appreciate it if you could get some pics of Dear. Yes, Utopia is at the far end of Walking street. When you see the new McDonalds (also near a Subway) , you're there. I'll post my report pretty soon. Just need to finish editing it down. I write too much.
Any pics you can get would be great. Thank you.
To all american (USA) people here and everywhere in Thailand,
Could you please stop tipping?
Tipping is only customary in the US anywhere else the price include the tips.
If you have money to spend just spend it the regular way stop ruining the fun for others.
Not only tipping doesn't get you anywhere but it makes you look quite stupid and give the general impression that all foreigners fart money and are giving it away as they walk.
Remember, Thai people are only in it for the money, it's business, they couldn't care less about you being happy after the act / taxi trip / hotel stay etc.
No one expects you to tip.
Pay the price and stick to it!
It seems a lot of the recent posts have been mentionning tips.Because of customers who never tip, my tips are appreciated and they remember it and provide even better service the next time. Also, you're wrong. Tipping is not only confined to the USA. Your idea about no tipping is a personal idea or perhaps one from your country. Here we are talking about Thailand, and according to proper Thai etiquette, tipping is socially expected. Google "Etiquette 101: Tipping Guide." You will find the proper tipping etiquette for each country.
Mr Enternational
07-25-13, 00:13
Because of customers who never tip, my tips are appreciated and they remember it and provide even better service the next time. Also, you're wrong. Tipping is not only confined to the USA. Your idea about no tipping is a personal idea or perhaps one from your country. Here we are talking about Thailand, and according to proper Thai etiquette, tipping is socially expected. Google "Etiquette 101: Tipping Guide." You will find the proper tipping etiquette for each country.Better service next time? How can you confirm that seeing that if you tipped you would not know how the service would have been next time had you not tipped. Tell me when money is NOT appreciated by anyone. Of course they remember you. Every con man remembers his biggest suckers in hopes that the money train has not dried up. If you want to know how things work, then watching and asking locals is your best bet, not google.
Because of customers who never tip, my tips are appreciated and they remember it and provide even better service the next time. Also, you're wrong. Tipping is not only confined to the USA. Your idea about no tipping is a personal idea or perhaps one from your country. Here we are talking about Thailand, and according to proper Thai etiquette, tipping is socially expected. Google "Etiquette 101: Tipping Guide." You will find the proper tipping etiquette for each country.You tip bartenders, servers, staff etc because they are providing you a service with a low base wage, not how well they sucked your dick. I'm from the USA, I tip at home but when I'm in the Fkk clubs of Germany I do what the German's do, I only pay the girl for her time and the services she rendered. If I like her and the service, I repeat with her. And the service is better because she knows I like her. And her co-workers can see that I'm picking her again over the other choices, making them envious which in term gives me better service. All without tipping. I'm not saying tipping is wrong, there's just other ways to go about getting better service.
Because of customers who never tip, my tips are appreciated and they remember it and provide even better service the next time. Also, you're wrong. Tipping is not only confined to the USA. Your idea about no tipping is a personal idea or perhaps one from your country. Here we are talking about Thailand, and according to proper Thai etiquette, tipping is socially expected. Google "Etiquette 101: Tipping Guide." You will find the proper tipping etiquette for each country.Most countries have some sort of tipping etiquette, but Americans take it far to the extreme.
I read the Conde Nast guide you mentioned. I've not been to all the countries, but I looked at a couple and it seems rather high. $1 per diner in Cambodia? Thai wait staff accept dollars? Really? $3 tip to the masseuse? $20 per person to a tour guide? You have to be kidding.
If you're going to tip, learn to do is as a local, not as some uber-wealty Conde Nast dickwad. I'm not calling you a dickwad. I used to get CN Traveler mag (as a gift) but cancelled it due to their insufferable "I'm rich and you're not" attitude.
Local masseuse? (Not the P4P kind) About 20 baht is appropriate. Local mom and pop restaurant? Zero tip. All money goes to the family. If you tip it looks like you don't think they're charging enough for the food. Mid-range restaurant? 15 to 20 baht per diner would be OK. Cabs? The locals usually round up to the nearest 10 baht, maybe an extra 10 baht thrown in.
When in doubt, don't tip at all. If you must, choose an amount that would get you screamed at by an American waitress and that should be about right.
To all american (USA) people here and everywhere in Thailand,
Could you please stop tipping?
Tipping is only customary in the US anywhere else the price include the tips.
If you have money to spend just spend it the regular way stop ruining the fun for others.
Not only tipping doesn't get you anywhere but it makes you look quite stupid and give the general impression that all foreigners fart money and are giving it away as they walk.
Remember, Thai people are only in it for the money, it's business, they couldn't care less about you being happy after the act / taxi trip / hotel stay etc.
No one expects you to tip.This is rich, how does a big tipper ruin your fun? If he tips and you are against tipping then just don't tip. Also not sure how you know if "no one" expects you to tip since you have not spoken to everyone. Tipping is always one of the never ending topics on the BKK thread with many lectures like this one. After all is said, nothing will change, people will do what they want to do with their money as they should and you should do what you want with yours.
Streetwalker7
07-25-13, 07:58
Local masseuse? (Not the P4P kind) About 20 baht is appropriate. Local mom and pop restaurant? Zero tip. All money goes to the family. If you tip it looks like you don't think they're charging enough for the food. Mid-range restaurant? 15 to 20 baht per diner would be OK. Cabs? The locals usually round up to the nearest 10 baht, maybe an extra 10 baht thrown in.No offense but I would be ashamed to recommend someone to tip 20 baht. Talk about the utmost disrespect. Is the lady going to wipe her bowel movement with that 20 baht.
Better to tip nothing than 20 baht.
FreebieFan
07-25-13, 09:43
When in doubt, don't tip at all. If you must, choose an amount that would get you screamed at by an American waitress and that should be about right.Ha. Perfect comment. Having been screamed at by one or two." Honey, I'm not from your country so how would I know that the US$ 10/20 tip I left wasnt adequate" conversations that have occurred in various cities in Cleveland, Denver San Francisco and Honolulu.
Followed up by " Yes you did indeed read me the specials and yes, you did enquire if everything was ok ". But do tell, was there any other part of your job that you did in a way that merited more than a 10% add on?". Of course all this spoken with ones finest English accent.
This is rich, how does a big tipper ruin your fun? If he tips and you are against tipping then just don't tip. Also not sure how you know if "no one" expects you to tip since you have not spoken to everyone. Tipping is always one of the never ending topics on the BKK thread with many lectures like this one. After all is said, nothing will change, people will do what they want to do with their money as they should and you should do what you want with yours.All true. But that doesn't change the fact that is not right to over-tip. Phordphan has indicated what is right, then if one want to be and look stupid to these people, feel free.
All true. But that doesn't change the fact that is not right to over-tip. Phordphan has indicated what is right, then if one want to be and look stupid to these people, feel free.What I tip and you tip does not matter a damn. Because nearly 100 percent of punters have never heard of ISG and will tip what they think right.
Even ISG members are not consistent; I tip on the high side for excellent / above average service (be it restaurants or WGs) and on the low side if the service does not meet my expectations.
Thank god we no longer have all this on paper. The amount of printed rubbish would de-forest Finland.
LittleBigMan
07-25-13, 12:10
Everyone tips not just Americans think about what you are saying?
If you don't tip outside of the Bar fine how are you going to get it on with girls and where are all these reports coming from if one doesn't tip? No wonder so many Go Go's are asking for payment up front? What next don't give my spare change to the lady holding her child begging for money.
LBM
NeverJerkOff
07-25-13, 12:32
The only tip I give working girls is the purple one my jizz blasts out of. I give deductions. Waiters I give about 10 baht per 130 I spend and the subway technicians get 6 of my baht because I live there and not trying to eat a bacon, lettuce, tomato, and pubic hair sandwiches. Taxi drivers I give a higher percentage.
What I tip and you tip does not matter a damn. Because nearly 100 percent of punters have never heard of ISG and will tip what they think right.
Even ISG members are not consistent; I tip on the high side for excellent / above average service (be it restaurants or WGs) and on the low side if the service does not meet my expectations.
Thank god we no longer have all this on paper. The amount of printed rubbish would de-forest Finland.Fine. You are importing your country tipping standards into another. Call it "Imperialistic Cultural Stupidity", often found in certain people from certain places.
Fine. You are importing your country tipping standards into another. Call it "Imperialistic Cultural Stupidity", quite typical for in certain people from certain places.This has nothing to do with "Imperialistic Cultural Stupidity" as you rudely call my approach to tipping.
Irrespective of my, equally rudely implied, background I, as an individual can determine what I tip and to whom and for what.
I repeat too that ISG has a totally minimal effect on the market, as do your opinions.
This has nothing to do with "Imperialistic Cultural Stupidity" as you rudely call my approach to tipping.
Irrespective of my, equally rudely implied, background I, as an individual can determine what I tip and to whom and for what.
I repeat too that ISG has a totally minimal effect on the market, as do your opinions.Yes, "it's my money". Trite, boring, unimpressing mantra.
The point you are missing is that I don't care about what you do and I did not even mention "effects to the markets".
The point you're making across, is that for you, your own habits and believings take precedence to adapting to local customs. And that is a form of cultural imperialism.
At one point one girl was texting while holding a vibrator against my balls and the other was pushing her chest against my face and telling some story to the first. I kind of lost my interest.I think at this point you casually ram your manhood up the backside of the girl from the 'wrong' side of the line, while dialing up a mate on your cellphone and inquiring about some sports score.
It's true, the Eden and DD girls can be a bit of a challenge because they're so used to getting away with their standard procedures. But if you make it clear to them that you're expecting more, and then really take control, most of them can rise to the occasion.
Mr Enternational
07-25-13, 17:40
No offense but I would be ashamed to recommend someone to tip 20 baht. Talk about the utmost disrespect. Is the lady going to wipe her bowel movement with that 20 baht.
Better to tip nothing than 20 baht.What's wrong with tipping 20 baht? If I get an hour massage for 100 baht and tip 20 baht that is 20%. And if I get one of those happy hour beers for 55 baht then 20 baht tip is 36%.
The point you're making across, is that for you, your own habits and believings take precedence to adapting to local customs. And that is a form of cultural imperialism.If you read carefully what I said you would not have this hang-up about 'cultural imperialism. ' I tip what I want, over and under, based on my experience of the local customs and culture.
I do not import the US habit of tipping 15-20% nor the Australian custom of not tipping.
So back in your box unless you have a constructive comment to make.
Better to tip nothing than 20 baht.It'd be a bit strange to hand a masseuse B20, but it's an absolutely standard tip at restaurants and bars, and usually about right for taxis too.
To all american (USA) people here and everywhere in Thailand,Slight change of subject. Over 19 million people visited Thailand in 2011, 684k of them were from the USA. That's only 3. 5% of the tourists.
http://www.thaitravelblogs.com/2012/01/record-number-of-tourists-visit-thailand-in-2011/
No offense but I would be ashamed to recommend someone to tip 20 baht. Talk about the utmost disrespect. Is the lady going to wipe her bowel movement with that 20 baht.
Better to tip nothing than 20 baht.If you'd get out of mom's basement and actually travel around the country you might learn something.
In that particular case I was with a friend in Chiang Mai. It was a local massage shop frequented by locals. I followed her lead. Paid for the massage and a bit extra.
Everyone tips not just Americans think about what you are saying?
If you don't tip outside of the Bar fine how are you going to get it on with girls and where are all these reports coming from if one doesn't tip? No wonder so many Go Go's are asking for payment up front? What next don't give my spare change to the lady holding her child begging for money.
LBMIn Thailand and other places the money paid to the lady is a "tip." In Mexico it's a "donation." Both are just euphemisms for their fee, as the payment is not optional. A genuine tip, aka gratuity, would be over and above the amount agreed upon.
And, yes, never give your spare change to the lady holding a kid. It's not her kid. If you were to watch most of them over a period of time you'd see the kid changes every few months. The money goes to support some yaa-baa addict or some other nefarious Fagin. If some beggar is hungry, offer to buy them some food. That'll weed out the scammers real quick.
Ha. Perfect comment. Having been screamed at by one or two." Honey, I'm not from your country so how would I know that the US$ 10/20 tip I left wasnt adequate" conversations that have occurred in various cities in Cleveland, Denver San Francisco and Honolulu.
Followed up by " Yes you did indeed read me the specials and yes, you did enquire if everything was ok ". But do tell, was there any other part of your job that you did in a way that merited more than a 10% add on?". Of course all this spoken with ones finest English accent.The problem in the US is that Uncle Sam has a microscope rammed up everybody's ass looking for "income."
Used to be that tips were just that. A reward for service above and beyond the call. Then some genius figured out that too many scofflaw waitresses were getting away with unclaimed income. So, now waitstaff are taxed on their gross sales. The kind and benevolent IRS assumes they'll be tipped something like 8% of their gross sales during a day and they levy income tax accordingly. If one doesn't tip the waiter actually loses money on the deal, which is grossly unfair to them unless they really suck at their job.
Yet another item in the long litany of why the founding fathers made the income tax unconstitutional.
Wolvenvacht
07-25-13, 20:31
And, yes, never give your spare change to the lady holding a kid. It's not her kid. If you were to watch most of them over a period of time you'd see the kid changes every few months. The money goes to support some yaa-baa addict or some other nefarious Fagin. If some beggar is hungry, offer to buy them some food. That'll weed out the scammers real quick.Didn't you notice:
* You find these "poor beggars" only in areas frequented by tourists.
* Only tourists give them money.
* Most of these beggars are not even Thai (according to my Thai GF)
I think at this point you casually ram your manhood up the backside of the girl from the 'wrong' side of the line, while dialing up a mate on your cellphone and inquiring about some sports score.
It's true, the Eden and DD girls can be a bit of a challenge because they're so used to getting away with their standard procedures. But if you make it clear to them that you're expecting more, and then really take control, most of them can rise to the occasion.That's the ticket, Betong! I prefer a more "class-3some"-type of treatment anyway, so I guess I was looking for love in all the wrong places.
Streetwalker7
07-26-13, 02:03
What's wrong with tipping 20 baht? If I get an hour massage for 100 baht and tip 20 baht that is 20%. And if I get one of those happy hour beers for 55 baht then 20 baht tip is 36%.Why guys worry about others overpaying is beyond me. If guys here are an indication of what goes on out there, guys are just not paying.
The guys that do overpay are such a minority, that it's a statistical non-event. LOL.
Streetwalker7
07-26-13, 02:09
To those who don't tip-thats fine. But don't use Thai wimmin in your argument. They are absolutely the worst- ask your local massuse. LOL.
At my favorite massage parlour the sex providers grimace when I try to leave maids more than 20 baht. LOL. To keep them happy I leave 20 baht.
My first taxi ride with my favorite asshole girl. She kind of grimaced when I gave the taxi guy a 25 baht tip on 45 baht cab fare. I give her 200 baht tip in her bar for just being pretty-she likes that. LOL.
LittleBigMan
07-26-13, 02:18
In Thailand and other places the money paid to the lady is a "tip." In Mexico it's a "donation." Both are just euphemisms for their fee, as the payment is not optional. A genuine tip, aka gratuity, would be over and above the amount agreed upon.
And, yes, never give your spare change to the lady holding a kid. It's not her kid. If you were to watch most of them over a period of time you'd see the kid changes every few months. The money goes to support some yaa-baa addict or some other nefarious Fagin. If some beggar is hungry, offer to buy them some food. That'll weed out the scammers real quick.I was just joking since the guy who started all this mentioned even in the offering of sex act? Why tip? If I barfine a girl and pay the barfine and agree on 2, 000 for her and then give her something extra I would think that would be a tip, the 2, 000 doesn't count?
As for the baby and such, I fully understand that too and was meant as a joke. What you mentioned is a Mafia scam in general I see this a lot at the local markets.
LBM
What's wrong with tipping 20 baht? If I get an hour massage for 100 baht and tip 20 baht that is 20%. And if I get one of those happy hour beers for 55 baht then 20 baht tip is 36%.Give up Mr. E! We all have to go back to our "boxes" , some world experienced traveler has spoken. Math and common sense are optionals, now it's all about "me and my money".
Member #4387
07-26-13, 11:31
I can not see anything that says she is pregnant!
Therefore she is definitely NOT a Skogis girl!
Hotman.
Can't be, she's below your minimum income limit :-;Hehe funny guys.
Well we don't care about the minimum salary for P4P but I guess in average, atleast the decent looking one, earn quite good in thai and phil standard (for uneducated girls). Regulars (none P4P), another story. But since the topic the last few days, in this thread, have been spinning around tipping and what is correct or not, I must admit I probably appreciate extraordinary service to some extent and then I leave good extras (tip). But for ordinary service (doing the job. I talk in almost all aspects here) I can maby run it up to the closest round number if it is not to much (dealing with coins and 20bht I rather not but I admit in pattis a 20 comes in handy fornthe Bathbus).
Hotman; what do you mean, hehe?
LittleBigMan
07-26-13, 12:11
Whether you over tip for P4P, a beer, a massage or even the Baht bus, Whats the big deal you think the people on ISG is " going to change the market "
Do as you please whatever just enjoy yourself even if you don't want to tip! What is the fuss? Scam or not I'm still giving my small change from time to time to the beggar lady with the baby especially when I'm trying to impress my BF that I Jai Dee? I might get her to give me more on my tip.
LBM
Member #4387
07-26-13, 13:09
Whether you over tip for P4P, a beer, a massage or even the Baht bus, Whats the big deal you think the people on ISG is " going to change the market "
LBMThis I agree with and I have myself mentioned it a few times when the heat was on me for overpaying, tipping or whatever you like to call it. It is almost impossible to find stats of how many mongerers there are out there adjusted to how many members in ISG. My senseable thought would be we would not even come close to 1% maby far from that? But since I am a member I have lowered my compensation quite a bit and these day I go with the flow of people compensating girls and waitresses. I allways spend to much beeing out there (bottle service, extras, snacks, shots etc) but for me this is my freedom and I find it relaxing "beeing nice". I know I know it is not much worth and these days I go with normal average pricesettings for services (girls, taxi, restaurants, pubs etc etc). But why can not people just adjust to their own judgement when it comes to tipping and people trying to tell what is right what is wrong continue what they do. We come all from various backgrounds, we have different economics, traditions, behaviours, attitude, mood, kindness, emphaty, etc etc. This means FOR ME it is not ok to pay a girl 10000bht grabbed from Climax (even if that would not set me into bankarotto state).
Hotman 666
07-26-13, 13:49
Skogis,
I don't think that you will EVER get people to agree on the 'Tip or not to tip' question.
As you say it depends on the culture you are from.
I am a Brit and our take on tips could probably be distilled into a few words.
I tip has to be EARNED by giving service over and above the normal service level. It is NOT an absolute RIGHT!
I have NO problem in tipping a few Baht when someone has gone out of their way to be helpful but, in MY opinion Tips have to be earned!
I posted in Cambodia forum a few years ago '. Plenty of nearby places to eat from breakfast time through to late evening. Many with young, sweet Cambodian or Vietnamese waitresses who like to practice English. These girls are paid around 2 US$/day so your tips are appreciated. '
This was based on the fact that these young girls went out of their way to make my meals enjoyable by chatting to me and generally keeping me company. A US$1. 00/2. 00 tip was a BIG percentage of my food bill (and of their daily wage) but, to me, was well worth while for the enjoyment I had and for the attention I got on my next visit.
Hotman.
LittleBigMan
07-26-13, 14:15
This I agree with and I have myself mentioned it a few times when the heat was on me for overpaying, tipping or whatever you like to call it. It is almost impossible to find stats of how many mongerers there are out there adjusted to how many members in ISG. My senseable thought would be we would not even come close to 1% maby far from that? But since I am a member I have lowered my compensation quite a bit and these day I go with the flow of people compensating girls and waitresses. I allways spend to much beeing out there (bottle service, extras, snacks, shots etc) but for me this is my freedom and I find it relaxing "beeing nice". I know I know it is not much worth and these days I go with normal average pricesettings for services (girls, taxi, restaurants, pubs etc etc). But why can not people just adjust to their own judgement when it comes to tipping and people trying to tell what is right what is wrong continue what they do. We come all from various backgrounds, we have different economics, traditions, behaviours, attitude, mood, kindness, emphaty, etc etc. This means FOR ME it is not ok to pay a girl 10000bht grabbed from Climax (even if that would not set me into bankarotto state).Tipping, Bar fines, Stunners, what is a 1 to 10, Where to find you action, Beach Road, Beer Bars, Go Go's, guys being on holiday and guys living here how and what they should pay, Freelancers, again how much where to find them and how they look, down to how and what we should wear, the debate about Pattaya / Bangkok, I say at this point and time do what you want, knock yourself out, use a condom or don't use a condom, agree to disagree who gives the best massage or BBBJ or CBJ, Soi 6, Soi 7, 8, to club or not to club? Who is fat or skinny, big tits or little tits, dark skin or white skins, are the Japanese or Korean ruining the market, do they smoke too much? Can I get laid in the disco and how much and am I too old?
In the end, do as you please but just remember whatever it is there are always consequences as long as you are willing to accept it do as you please it isn't going to change anything for some. For myself I have no pattern for tipping sometimes it's a little, sometimes it too much, and sometimes it is just plain stupid because I'm just having such a good time, to be alive and able to go out!
LBM
Skogis,
I don't think that you will EVER get people to agree on the 'Tip or not to tip' question.
As you say it depends on the culture you are from.Actually it depends on the culture where you _are_. That should not be difficult to underdstand.
I would be a fool if not willing to tip 10 to 15% in an American restaurant, I would be a fool if willing to tip more than round change in a Thai restaurant. No matter where I'm from.
Member #4414
07-26-13, 16:01
(snip)Why guys worry about others overpaying is beyond me. (snip)Really? Overpayers being perplexed by that, is beyond me.
Sir Lancelot
07-26-13, 17:56
Tipping, Bar fines, Stunners, what is a 1 to 10, Where to find you action, Beach Road, Beer Bars, Go Go's, guys being on holiday and guys living here how and what they should pay, Freelancers, again how much where to find them and how they look, down to how and what we should wear, the debate about Pattaya / Bangkok, I say at this point and time do what you want, knock yourself out, use a condom or don't use a condom, agree to disagree who gives the best massage or BBBJ or CBJ, Soi 6, Soi 7, 8, to club or not to club? Who is fat or skinny, big tits or little tits, dark skin or white skins, are the Japanese or Korean ruining the market, do they smoke too much? Can I get laid in the disco and how much and am I too old?Yes,
Steep; plenty; 1 = ugly, fat, missing teeth. 10 = pretty, great body, great attitude, great performance; anywhere in Pattaya; bargain basement but few pretty girls; fun; some pretty girls (but not a fan of the half-hearted lesbian routines) ; on holiday; haggle down price but 'tip if good performance'; nightclubs. Rich hunting grounds; dress smart, trousers, shirt, shoes. Girls notice; Bangkok exciting for a short time but Pattaya my personal favourite; rubber up; disagree; New in Dream Teen; sleaze heaven; beer-bar central; club = good place to pick up massage girls / gogo girls when they finish their shift; fat = some of the girls on beach road, skinny = Baccara girls; both, depending on the mood; not ruining the market, just creating little exclusive zones best avoided; hell yes; definitely. 1000-1500 depending on your game, the girl, the time of night; no-one is too old for Pattaya.
Member #4387
07-26-13, 18:25
Actually it depends on the culture where you _are_. That should not be difficult to underdstand.
I would be a fool if not willing to tip 10 to 15% in an American restaurant, I would be a fool if willing to tip more than round change in a Thai restaurant. No matter where I'm from.Yes I see your point you so strongly have tried to adress Marcos. But who cares if we are fools? Not the economy of P4P girls. I still pay average 3000 for a totaly doable BKK based P4P girl as I did 7 years ago. Then I prob was on the high side but lowered my stakes mostly bcs of people I was operating together with (as I allways have been a big spender. Bcs I can and like it).
If I would be so unlucky tipping one girl making it a riot in P4P market then I would realy think twice. But as far as I am conserned prices regulates itself du to known factors (sale / demand etc etc).
I am not a Bit, but your general statement regarding tipping is "spot on." Always reward extra service.
Skogis,
I don't think that you will EVER get people to agree on the 'Tip or not to tip' question.
As you say it depends on the culture you are from.
I am a Brit and our take on tips could probably be distilled into a few words.
I tip has to be EARNED by giving service over and above the normal service level. It is NOT an absolute RIGHT!
I have NO problem in tipping a few Baht when someone has gone out of their way to be helpful but, in MY opinion Tips have to be earned!
I posted in Cambodia forum a few years ago '. Plenty of nearby places to eat from breakfast time through to late evening. Many with young, sweet Cambodian or Vietnamese waitresses who like to practice English. These girls are paid around 2 US$/day so your tips are appreciated. '
This was based on the fact that these young girls went out of their way to make my meals enjoyable by chatting to me and generally keeping me company. A US$1. 00/2. 00 tip was a BIG percentage of my food bill (and of their daily wage) but, to me, was well worth while for the enjoyment I had and for the attention I got on my next visit.
Hotman.
Funniest thing. For years I use to stay at the Rajai Hotel on Osmena Circle. Every time I came the same lady was out there with a baby. I start noticing that, over the years, the baby never grew.
Will sometimes buy kids food.
Didn't you notice:
* You find these "poor beggars" only in areas frequented by tourists.
* Only tourists give them money.
* Most of these beggars are not even Thai (according to my Thai GF)
The guys that do overpay are such a minority, that it's a statistical non-event. LOL.No, a very huge percentage of tourists overpay. That is how the price was increased from 500 to whatever it is now (many people say it is 1000 baht!)
LittleBigMan
07-27-13, 15:32
It hard to believe all this talk about demands and economy when it comes to P4P, since there are many guys always saying I'm on a holiday and I will pay what I want it won't hurt the market? This goes to tipping too? I once read some guy saying he was tipping at a 7/11?
When it comes to p4p what is normal usually doesn't fit since people would never pay more for a car, a bike, you guys know what I mean but when it comes to p4p any general rule gets thrown out the window. No matter how much we want to believe it just doesn't happen 100% of the time. We all have broken rule to satisfy the little head he and only he is in control when it comes to p4p or any pussy?
If you found out one guys was getting the same girls doing all the same things for 500 baht, and you found out you earlier paid her 2, 000 baht for most likely the same service one would actually still feel they would again pay 2, 000 if your answer is yes! Knock yourself out use whatever excuse you what as long as you feel good about it. Just don't apply the same thinking when it comes to the real world like renting a car!
LBM
No, a very huge percentage of tourists overpay. That is how the price was increased from 500 to whatever it is now (many people say it is 1000 baht!)Don't go there Opebo! It has been proved already by verbose overpayers that "the small ISG minority does not influence the market", that is "in itself self-correcting". And remember always the very first principle of a looser monger: "It's my money" (and "I got no balls" too).
Member #4387
07-27-13, 16:59
It hard to believe all this talk about demands and economy when it comes to P4P, since there are many guys always saying I'm on a holiday and I will pay what I want it won't hurt the market? This goes to tipping too? I once read some guy saying he was tipping at a 7/11?
When it comes to p4p what is normal usually doesn't fit since people would never pay more for a car, a bike, you guys know what I mean but when it comes to p4p any general rule gets thrown out the window. No matter how much we want to believe it just doesn't happen 100% of the time. We all have broken rule to satisfy the little head he and only he is in control when it comes to p4p or any pussy?
If you found out one guys was getting the same girls doing all the same things for 500 baht, and you found out you earlier paid her 2, 000 baht for most likely the same service one would actually still feel they would yagain pay 2, 000 if your answer is yes! Knock yourself out use whatever excuse you what as long as you feel good about it. Just don't apply the same thinking when it comes to the real world like renting a car!
LBMWell I have written about this subject a few times but I will say to extend this thinking me never beeing on vacation in south East Asia (SEA) but actually I am in some form from workingleasure combination, hehe. Inhave stated I was an overpayer and probably to some extent still is but I am better in lowering my compensation to my P4P'ies (in BKK normaly 3 K LT and in Patts between 2-3k and LT is sometimes to long but I can not pay less the longeR they stay or? It is my weak / modest personality allowing girls to stay).
Well, we can pretty much agree all members will not come to agreements regarding the matter discussed in tips, overpaying etc etc. Then it is a good comfort for the blessed educated ISG member he can make his own deal or change venue or tactics. There will allways be girls available and yeaterday I had one ruskie Elena in Soi 7/1 BKK starting at 1000 ST lowering herself down to 700 without me beeing able to pop in my rejection. For fun I just asked if I could get some pussy action for 500 and yes I could. But I was on my way and did not want to go with her for free (well seen her 30 times or so I have had some thoughts maby it would be good fun to give her some norwegian wood. But conclusion NO).
"looser monger"WTF! Based upon what I've read from you lately you seem to be the pot that calls the kettle black.
Most countries have some sort of tipping etiquette, but Americans take it far to the extreme.
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Local masseuse? (Not the P4P kind) About 20 baht is appropriate. Local mom and pop restaurant? Zero tip. All money goes to the family. If you tip it looks like you don't think they're charging enough for the food. Mid-range restaurant? 15 to 20 baht per diner would be OK. Cabs? The locals usually round up to the nearest 10 baht, maybe an extra 10 baht thrown in.
When in doubt, don't tip at all. If you must, choose an amount that would get you screamed at by an American waitress and that should be about right.Right now, I'm fairly close to a massage girl and have had discussions over tipping with her on multiple occasions.
I agree that Americans tip too much, but I disagree that 20 baht tip is very much appreciated for an hour long massage. It's not terribly looked down upon, like a five baht tip would be, but it is certainly not considered appropriate. For a 250 THB foot massage, I'll give 300 THB total, and if really good (and the girl is hot) 350 THB.
Percentages are meaningless. The 15-20% rule is for restaurants in the States only. All other tips have different rules.
By the way, because different cultures tip differently, they do get different levels of service. Indians and Japanese are poor tippers according to my girl, so she avoids them if at all possible.
Mr Enternational
07-28-13, 00:17
Right now, I'm fairly close to a massage girl and have had discussions over tipping with her on multiple occasions.
I agree that Americans tip too much, but I disagree that 20 baht tip is very much appreciated for an hour long massage. It's not terribly looked down upon, like a five baht tip would be, but it is certainly not considered appropriate. For a 250 THB foot massage, I'll give 300 THB totalNow the question remains as to where you are getting a foot massage for 250 baht. In all the places I go to a foot massage as well as a Thai massage is 99 or 100 baht. In your case you gave 20% but I know that you said it wasn't about percentages. So how much would you suggest I tip for the 100 baht massages that I always get?
Now the question remains as to where you are getting a foot massage for 250 baht. In all the places I go to a foot massage as well as a Thai massage is 99 or 100 baht. In your case you gave 20% but I know that you said it wasn't about percentages. So how much would you suggest I tip for the 100 baht massages that I always get?To be honest, I forgot this was the Pattaya thread and the 250 baht foot massages are in Bangkok. In Pattaya, the places I go to charge 200 baht, I've only seen 100 baht along Soi Buakhao, but I don't stay in that area.
You can tip what you like. As they say,"Up to you". If you get good repeat service, then it is enough. I'd still tip a minimum of 50 baht if it were a good massage. In my opinion, tipping for a massage is more important than for a meal. With a massage, you are getting personal service for one hour. For a waitress though, she is only periodically dealing with you as a customer, and taking care of multiple customers at once.
Also, when tipping, be sure to give it to the girl directly. My girl has told me that the house will sometimes keep the tip and tell the girl the customer gave no tip.
On the wider subject of tipping, I tend not to tip any P4P girl where I pay the girl directly. And not tipping on any meal that includes a bogus "service charge". It's sad, as I'm sure the wait staff get none of that charge. But more importantly, I avoid that restaurant in the future.
LittleBigMan
07-28-13, 03:11
I personally don't have a set standard as to tipping. As noted it is a American things and I'm American. The difference here is I'm not actually force to tip with a standard percentage.
There are times I don't tip or just leave the small change returned. Especially when I'm at a Thai place like for food, I'm not going to if I just ordering a bowl of noodles for 30 Baht.
I've been to massages place charging a variety of prices in Pattaya and Bangkok through the years and currently. This is one of my favorite things I do here foot and Thai massage and it has to be done right not just any place so when I find a place and a provider to the style I like I have no problem tipping! I've know many workers personal and it is hard work harder than cooking? So I have a standard no matter the price unless it is really bad, for every hour I tip them 50 baht, two hours 100 baht, I never think about the % here.
When I eat at Farang food like at the Beergarden, I usually no matter how large the bill not a big eater I leave a standard 20 baht. Sometimes I don't have a 20 baht and I a regular eater at the place I just leave whatever change is given back if under 20 baht.
At the Go Go's a little different especially if I'm a regular at the place. Again I set it from 10/20 depending on how long I stay. If I'm there for hours like 3 plus I leave 20 plus all the coins so it could be 30 bahts or more at times. There was a time when I was a Go Go I had this Farang sit next to me. We both got there during Happy hour, the price for drink was 70 baht, 3 hours later I already had 5 plus drinks and he was still on his first by now it was just water. When he finally was leaving he gave the guy 100 baht, that was 30 tip, for 3 hours taking up one of the best seat in the house. It doesn't make since sometimes but whatever drives a person is hard to gauge at times. If one is a regular / not a regular at a place I have no problem if they leave nothing or very little as long as you don't sit there for hours with the same drink and smoke!
The worse tipper is one who is on holiday, who has saved months for his trip and tip anyone who touches them? I seen first hand and personal that the guy is so happy to be in heaven, pent up for months and tips anyone and everyone at a go go 100 baht each, waiters etc. Even the bathroom attendant? I rather you just get up and toss them in the air like the Japanaese? And then complaint about the BF or the drinks are too expensive etc.
I once took a Songthaw ride from WS road to Soi 6, usually 10 baht to meet someone and didn't want to move my bike since I wanted to come back. I was somewhat in a hurry the ride was fast and he never stopped for anyone not sure why? But 5 minutes later Soi 6, I got off only had a 20 baht note. It was fast and I was happy I just gave him the 20 baht.
Does this all mean tipping is going to drive the market off the charts or cause inflation? All I do each day is do what I think is consistent and not stupid and I'm not sure if it is right or wrong and I'm not sure if someone who doesn't tip at all is right or wrong! I try not to judge anyone and I expect that in return.
And last then there is the tipping for service from the girls, that is the hardest of all, who is to judge what a individual get from the experience? It is hard to put a price on feelings and what one feels isn't what I might feel. But when the service is bad and you are getting ripped off it is easy to know what to tip? But when you enjoy and feel good and especially happy it is very hard to put a price on that sometimes?
Be consistent and try to meet a balance but in the end be happy?
LittleBigTipper,
Mr Enternational
07-28-13, 04:29
I personally don't have a set standard as to tipping. As noted it is a American things and I'm American.
This is one of my favorite things I do here foot and Thai massage and it has to be done right not just any place so when I find a place and a provider to the style I like I have no problem tipping! I've know many workers personal and it is hard work harder than cooking? So I have a standard no matter the price unless it is really bad, for every hour I tip them 50 baht, two hours 100 baht, I never think about the % here.
Does this all mean tipping is going to drive the market off the charts or cause inflation? All I do each day is do what I think is consistent and not stupid and I'm not sure if it is right or wrong and I'm not sure if someone who doesn't tip at all is right or wrong! I try not to judge anyone and I expect that in return.
And last then there is the tipping for service from the girls, that is the hardest of all, who is to judge what a individual get from the experience? It is hard to put a price on feelings and what one feels isn't what I might feel. But when the service is bad and you are getting ripped off it is easy to know what to tip? But when you enjoy and feel good and especially happy it is very hard to put a price on that sometimes?I'm pretty much the same. I mostly do FL girls so I stick with the agreed upon price and don't give any extra. But in the rare chance that I go to a place like Bliss where there is an established price I will usually give the girl an extra 100. When I get my manicure and pedicure done it would come out to 500 and I would give 100 tip. (I have found a new place where it only costs me 200 now and I also give her 100 tip.) At my barber, the haircut is 70, shave 70, and shampoo 70 and I always give her 300. I'm dating her now though, so I should be able to stop tipping no? Then from the airport I always negotiate 900 + 60 tolls and I just give him 1000. Going to the airport is 860, and I leave them with the full 1000 then as well. When I'm eating a meal under the tent at the market I don't leave a tip.
To be honest, I forgot this was the Pattaya thread and the 250 baht foot massages are in Bangkok. In Pattaya, the places I go to charge 200 baht, I've only seen 100 baht along Soi Buakhao, but I don't stay in that area.So many places about town offering 100B Foot and Thai massages besides just about every shop on Buakhao. Soi 13-1/BR has a couple of shops (New hope Massage is one but they just raised their price to 150B but will give you a free massage on the 11th visit). Edens Massage and the place next to it (Pattaya Klang/off 2d Road is also 100B). There's a little open air massage shop in a small tent on BR little pass Soi 6 and before you reach Soi 7 offering 100B foot massages and the ladies who patrol the beach with 200B foot massages will gladly drop their prices to secure customers. After cheap girls Pattaya is a buyers market for cheap massages, like the girls you have to know where to go to get the good massages.
NeverJerkOff
07-28-13, 06:03
So many places about town offering 100B Foot and Thai massages besides just about every shop on Buakhao. Soi 13-1/BR has a couple of shops (New hope Massage is one but they just raised their price to 150B but will give you a free massage on the 11th visit). Edens Massage and the place next to it (Pattaya Klang/off 2d Road is also 100B). There's a little open air massage shop in a small tent on BR little pass Soi 6 and before you reach Soi 7 offering 100B foot massages and the ladies who patrol the beach with 200B foot massages will gladly drop their prices to secure customers. After cheap girls Pattaya is a buyers market for cheap massages, like the girls you have to know where to go to get the good massages.In my neighborhood, I get 150 baht Thai massages and tip 50 baht. Obviously, a much more demanding job then a waiter. To my understanding, the few 100 baht shops in Bangkok raised their price to 150 baht about 6 months ago. If anyone knows of a 100 baht shop in Bangkok along the BTS would be highly appreciated. I would not be surprised if their were 60 baht shops further out. If all else fails you can just find an Isaan girl. They were all brought up massaging their mom and dad and are about 40-80% as good as a professional.
No, a very huge percentage of tourists overpay. That is how the price was increased from 500 to whatever it is now (many people say it is 1000 baht!)Still is 500b for you and I
Streetwalker7
07-28-13, 08:17
Still is 500b for you and IWhat is 500 baht? Girls?
If I only could love ugly old girls I'd be mega rich!
Pointy Stick
07-28-13, 11:18
Well, we can pretty much agree all members will not come to agreements regarding the matter discussed in tips, overpaying etc etc. Then it is a good comfort for the blessed educated ISG member he can make his own deal or change venue or tactics. There will allways be girls available and yeaterday I had one ruskie Elena in Soi 7/1 BKK starting at 1000 ST lowering herself down to 700 without me beeing able to pop in my rejection. For fun I just asked if I could get some pussy action for 500 and yes I could. But I was on my way and did not want to go with her for free (well seen her 30 times or so I have had some thoughts maby it would be good fun to give her some norwegian wood. But conclusion NO).What!
She tried to pull me in for 1300 after 'discounting' down from 1500. Well I am Asian so maybe should thought she could pull that exotic farang shit on me. Might try for 500 next time I see her.
I can't wait to get back there
I can't wait to get back thereI need to make my first trip. Is she a bar girl?
Thank you
Streetwalker7
07-29-13, 02:32
What!
She tried to pull me in for 1300 after 'discounting' down from 1500. Well I am Asian so maybe should thought she could pull that exotic farang shit on me. Might try for 500 next time I see her.I have no interest on Elana other than knowing what she charges. 700 baht must mean she ain't attracting a whole lot of customers. Not hard to see why. She just isn't that pretty.
I'm in Pattaya now and surprised at how (relatively) quiet it is. Very definitely a buyer's market. There are whole swathes of beer bars with barely a customer in them. I struggle to understand how some of these bars survive. I sat in one bar last night (Host Bar, next to Happy A-GoGo) for an hour with one incredibly sweet girl, beautiful with it, and no other customer came to the bar.
I amused myself watching punters walk happily into Happy A-GoGo, unless of course they were Indian or Arabic, who were shown the sign saying VIP membership required. I don't know how much it was, but clearly too much. Not condoning racism of any kind, but it does intrigue me that Indian guys so often go around in big groups. I guess the management think that if 10 Indian guys go in together, they are not likely to take out 10 girls, but will probably sit chatting together over their beers?
I'm in Pattaya now and surprised at how (relatively) quiet it is. Very definitely a buyer's market. There are whole swathes of beer bars with barely a customer in them. I struggle to understand how some of these bars survive. I sat in one bar last night (Host Bar, next to Happy A-GoGo) for an hour with one incredibly sweet girl, beautiful with it, and no other customer came to the bar.Yes, it's quite a surreal scene. However many bars are not only empty of customers, but of ladies too. Things are changing very rapidly in Pattaya, Thai economy is strong and is not difficult to find jobs. Many older ladies are really up for retirement and sitting there doing nothing will be a good reason for them to take up the "chance". While the young and pretty will easily find a sponsor/BF/husband as always. Bar and go-go owners will have to find another way to make money, quickly.
LittleBigMan
07-29-13, 09:49
This is low season and this particular year, the rain seem to be putting a damper on the night life? I've persoanlly living here haven't seen it rain so often this time of the year. I'm no expert and I don't keep track in case someone wants to provide stats but stats don't always give the whole story. The last two years I noticed that right after Songkran usually starting in May first week it cool down and got overcast and started raining but this year it just went on and on the heat well into June. The finally it started to cool, overcast rain here and there it seem every night projection of Thurderstorms and rain 50. The weather is changing so do lots of other things?
Then as people was saying oh low season I wonder the places were packed each night not just Friday and Sat. Then all of a sudden it die down for a few weeks then back up again?
With all the clubs opening particularly on L. K. Metro area, along with more and more tour groups holding flags walking thru W. S. Things change and there are only so many girls that are available plus many being low season take extended leave to go back home?
LBM
Streetwalker7
07-29-13, 10:35
High season- Nov-Feb.
Two third is low season. LOL.
That can't be the reason for lack of girls. Maybe the girls are being educvated prostitution is a dead end. So they join the normal work force. LOL.
Slackerslacker
07-29-13, 11:41
What's wrong with tipping 20 baht? If I get an hour massage for 100 baht and tip 20 baht that is 20%.Here's what's wrong you idiot:
You are getting a one hour massage for 3 fucking dollars! The lady is getting about 50bt of that.
You are getting a massage for almost fucking free!
Anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass knows that these prices are low to attract customers and that the lady is most certainly relying on the tips as her primary income.
I go to a 100bt shop too, but I tip the lady 100bt. That is $6 total for one hour of heaven. The lady gets the majority of that money which is as it should be. Meanwhile $6 is close to nothing in the larger scale of things. As long as the ladies can make a decent living off tips, the base price will remain low.
Meanwhile, I am treated like a king at my usual several massage shops. No doubt they using dog [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on you if you ever return to the same shop.
Here's what's wrong you idiot:You shouldn't call someone idiot if you don't know anything at all
You shouldn't call someone idiot if you don't know anything at allDon't bother. Actually is more fun to be lectured by a Thai monk than an overtipper / overpayer.
Still is 500b for you and I
What is 500 baht? Girls?
If I only could love ugly old girls I'd be mega rich!
Noddy you're quite right, I almost invariably still pay 500 baht when I'm in Pattaya (even though I pay 1,000 in Isaan!), but I have to admit Streetwalker7 is also correct - I do usually end up with somewhat older/less beautiful girls. That's OK though as when I visit Pattaya I'm looking for high service levels (typically the Third Way). Youth and beauty can be found upcountry, but really good service almost never. Another way to put this is I wouldn't actually mind paying 1,000, its just that the kind of girls who provide what I'm looking for at Pattaya are not 1,000 baht ladies.
Streetwalker7
07-29-13, 14:18
Noddy you're quite right, I almost invariably still pay 500 baht when I'm in Pattaya (even though I pay 1,000 in Isaan!), but I have to admit Streetwalker7 is also correct - I do usually end up with somewhat older/less beautiful girls. That's OK though as when I visit Pattaya I'm looking for high service levels (typically the Third Way). Youth and beauty can be found upcountry, but really good service almost never. Another way to put this is I wouldn't actually mind paying 1,000, its just that the kind of girls who provide what I'm looking for at Pattaya are not 1,000 baht ladies.God bless you.
My work is done. At least 1 guy admits that for sub 1000 you not going to get young and pretty. LOL.
Nothing wrong with the sub 1000 girls mind you. Just don't expect much and you will be very happy!
Mr Enternational
07-29-13, 17:48
Here's what's wrong you idiot:
You are getting a one hour massage for 3 fucking dollars! The lady is getting about 50bt of that. You are getting a massage for almost fucking free!
I go to a 100bt shop too, but I tip the lady 100bt. That is $6 total for one hour of heaven. The lady gets the majority of that money which is as it should be. Meanwhile $6 is close to nothing in the larger scale of things. As long as the ladies can make a decent living off tips, the base price will remain low.
Meanwhile, I am treated like a king at my usual several massage shops. No doubt they using dog [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on you if you ever return to the same shop.It's funny that I live in Pattaya and always use the same shops where I am always treated like a king. I'm not a two week millionaire coming to spread wealth. And what about the owner? You think he can keep his doors open AND pay bills at his own house by charging $3 / person? You should start leaving an extra 100 baht for him as well. If the lady is not making money to her standards common sense should tell you that she would move to a different shop where they charge more. With hundreds of shops in the area I'm sure she can have her pick of the litter. By the way, welcome back troll. This will be your only feeding.
Mr E is famous for being a cheap MF. However he is consistent. He sees no reason to be generous to a poor working girl.
Here's what's wrong you idiot:
You are getting a one hour massage for 3 fucking dollars! The lady is getting about 50bt of that.
You are getting a massage for almost fucking free!
Anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass knows that these prices are low to attract customers and that the lady is most certainly relying on the tips as her primary income.
I go to a 100bt shop too, but I tip the lady 100bt. That is $6 total for one hour of heaven. The lady gets the majority of that money which is as it should be. Meanwhile $6 is close to nothing in the larger scale of things. As long as the ladies can make a decent living off tips, the base price will remain low.
Meanwhile, I am treated like a king at my usual several massage shops. No doubt they using dog [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on you if you ever return to the same shop.
Sushilover808
07-29-13, 20:16
Mr. E was kind enough to meet me a couple trips ago and took me around on his motorbike to visit 3 soapies, Soi 6, and a couple other places. If we all had his "take it or leave it" attitude and mentality it would all be good in Pattaya. The price is the price because supply outweighs demand.
I just made my plans to return on August 20. I hope to see Mr. E & others again!
Here's what's wrong you idiot___3 fucking dollars!___for almost fucking free!___ their head up their ass ___using dog [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on you if you ever return to the same shop.As eloquently as you state your position, sir, I am perplexed by the non sequitur of your attack on Mr. E. Not that he needs me (or anyone else) to defend him, but unless my reading of this thread was wrong, Mr. E was responding to a previous poster (and a series of supporters, I might add) who were making the claim that one must not tip. At all. Ever. So Mr E came in saying that he actually does tip, modestly, and so what?
Your beef, it would seem, is not with Mr. E, but with the people he was responding to. Or did I miss something?
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But allow me to make one point, and that will be it from me (on the topic of tipping) : BOOOOOOORRRRRRIIIIIIINNNNGGGGGG.
"You must never tip or else you will spoil the market."
"You are an evil exploiter if you don't tip. Show some decency!"
"If you tip, everyone will think you are a fool."
"If you don't tip, everyone will think you are taking advantage of these poor people."
"But if we don't correct him then newbies will overtip / undertip / spoil the market / get laughed at / have their precious feelings hurt / etc."
Blah blah blah. Same. Old. Tired. Pointless. Argument.
This quibble has been going on since I first logged on to ISG more than ten years ago, and it is particularly vehement in the LOS threads for some reason (as are most things, but that's a discussion for another day). Nobody is going to change anybody's behavior, at least not in this regard, so why engage in this discussion? It's a waste of time, bandwidth and energy, IMHO.
From now on, I will keep my sanctimonious bullshit views on this topic to myself, and it would be really nice if others (on both sides of this so-called debate) would do the same. I've always been a dreamer, but I think this dream is DOA.
Paul Kausch
07-30-13, 00:21
But allow me to make one point, and that will be it from me (on the topic of tipping) : BOOOOOOORRRRRRIIIIIIINNNNGGGGGG.
"You must never tip or else you will spoil the market."
"You are an evil exploiter if you don't tip. Show some decency!"
"If you tip, everyone will think you are a fool."
"If you don't tip, everyone will think you are taking advantage of these poor people."
"But if we don't correct him then newbies will overtip / undertip / spoil the market / get laughed at / have their precious feelings hurt / etc."
Blah blah blah. Same. Old. Tired. Pointless. Argument.
This quibble has been going on since I first logged on to ISG more than ten years ago, and it is particularly vehement in the LOS threads for some reason (as are most things, but that's a discussion for another day). Nobody is going to change anybody's behavior, at least not in this regard, so why engage in this discussion? It's a waste of time, bandwidth and energy, IMHO.Kumbu,
I'm generally in agreement. This is a boring topic that people are going to fight over forever. Personally, I'm going to spend my money how I damn well please and that includes how much I tip.
However, I do find it helpful to understand local tipping customs and that includes Bangkok's sex industry. I can put up with the juvenile rants and name calling. I expect to read a range of recommended tips from too little to too much. It's up to me to decide what I think is fair in each case.
I am mindful that some guys have to work hard to stretch their funds and if they are expats living in Bangkok I don't begrudge them for tipping like locals. If you're a tourist I think you should budget a fair amount for tips and not try to stretch your vacation budget by short-changing local service providers, be they sex workers or chamber maids. If one is fortunate enough to be financially secure and able to enjoy some of life's better things I believe a generous tip is fair. I'm fortunate enough to be able to stay in 5-star hotels when I travel. So I might leave THB100 for the maid who cleans my room, and if I notice the next day she puts in little extra effort to make my room extra nice I might give her THB150. I build $3-5 per day into my budget for lodging to cover these tips. That's 2% or less of the cost of my room. Why do I do this? Years ago I was staying in a Best Western in northwest Iowa on business. Everyday I left the maid $2. After a few days as I was walking down the hall she stopped my and verified that I was the guest in the room that was leaving her a tip everyday. She then gave me one of the most heart-felt thanks I have ever received. She said it was rare for someone to leave her a tip and that for her the extra $2 a day was not a small deal; but she explained even more importantly it made her feel good about her work knowing someone noticed and cared.
I believe an appropriate tip that reflects local customs, quality of service and economic realities, for you and the service provider is only right.
Paul
BambiJacobson
07-30-13, 00:31
Just over a year ago I used this forum to prepare for my maiden voyage to Pattaya. I reported on my trip too.
Since then this forum has more or less become an argue center for trolls complaining about Pattaya and people responding to it.
I love ISG. One of the really strong points in here for me is no tolerance for Ladyboys people. Besides that there are some very seasoned mongers in here that can give a lot of good advice.
A year ago I went on this forum and read great trip reports and advice. Today it's almost all about arguing about tipping and other ridiculous shit!
People who have never even been to Pattaya talk shit about the place!
OK here is my positive bite.
I will be going there on this Friday for 2 weeks. I can't wait! I love it there! There are great places all over. Visit Soi 6 places like Night Wish or Sky bar. Both are exclusive girl places with the best hosts ever. Free food, party atmosphere etc.
Go to LK Metro, Go to go go's on WS. It's all about you. If you are a boring negative asshole then you reap what you sow!
Streetwalker7
07-30-13, 02:21
Mr E is famous for being a cheap MF. However he is consistent. He sees no reason to be generous to a poor working girl.True that. LOL.
Evidence-he never give long time girls more than 1000 baht. Thats long time fellas!
To be fair he isn't going for young sweet hot maidens. He is going for the mature been around the block many a time girls.
Saw last night at BKK Baccara a guy give a girl $100 tip. I took him aside and asked if he knew he was ruining the market for others? He told me politely to fuck off. LOL.
LittleBigMan
07-30-13, 03:52
It will always be the same, there are topics people like and there are topic people don't like? And there will always be people who want the change the topic because its not their topic? It is a cycle like a cheap suit that goes out of style and comes back later?
Whatever your opinion about how much to pay a girl, how much to tip, whether you like them dark or light skin, where you like to hang out or even where to buy fake goods. This site if everyone has forgotten is.
WWW.INTERNATIONALSEX " GUIDE "
It isn't the BiBLE or the CONSTITUTION! It is a guide as a guide = do whatever you think is right! Even if you want to continue about tipping?
By the way rain again today in Pattaya, topic of discussion now is when and where in Pattaya?
LBM
Toni Reali's take on tipping is pretty much the same as most Thais when it comes to Falangs, we're the ones on TV. Bomani Jones got it right but this clip just show the this topic will never be setted anywhere as we all have our POV and no one will likely change it for us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ineL1PHNL8
God bless you.
My work is done. At least 1 guy admits that for sub 1000 you not going to get young and pretty. LOL.
Nothing wrong with the sub 1000 girls mind you. Just don't expect much and you will be very happy!The trouble with absolute statements like this is that we can all think of examples where you are wrong. The girl in my bed last night was young, pretty and very affectionate. I have known her for a while and she has never asked for more than 1000bht LT (and would probably accept less). For what it's worth I would be embarrassed to pay her only 1000 baht, and I have my own remuneration rate I aim to apply to all girls, no matter their looks or age.
A year ago I went on this forum and read great trip reports and advice. Today it's almost all about arguing about tipping and other ridiculous shit!The problem is that any potentially interesting and useful post is rapidly overtaken by 10 posts flogging the same old dead horse. It's why I largely stopped using this forum. There is another forum that breaks it's subjects down into threads, so that issues like 'tipping' can be easily ignored.
Anyway, my 10 days in Pattaya are coming to an end soon, and despite the rain, the low season feel, and the roadworks on Beach Road, it has been one of the best yet. Enough of the doom-mongers! :)
The trouble with absolute statements like this is that we can all think of examples where you are wrong. The girl in my bed last night was young, pretty and very affectionate. I have known her for a while and she has never asked for more than 1000bht LT (and would probably accept less).See? That's the problem with being a charming muther fucker. Things come too easily. You forget, I've met you Mouse, and chatted over beers, and I don't think you've had to haggle once with a working girl. They throw themselves at you. And naturally, you do the right thing in response: you throw yourself right back at them.
my 10 days in Pattaya are coming to an end soonWell, that's a shame. Looks like we will just miss each other.
and despite the rain, the low season feel, and the roadworks on Beach Road, it has been one of the best yet. Enough of the doom-mongers! :)Ah, the eternal optimist. That's why I've been trolling that other site, avidly watching for updates to the Mouse's Tale.
Well, that's a shame. Looks like we will just miss each other.Well, I didn't like to presume. :) But when are you arriving? I leave here about 8pm Thursday evening to catch a flight back home.
Ah, the eternal optimist. That's why I've been trolling that other site, avidly watching for updates to the Mouse's Tale.I'm glad to see someone is reading! I really feel that these days I am just writing as a record for myself.
See? That's the problem with being a charming muther fucker. Things come too easily. You forget, I've met you Mouse, and chatted over beers, and I don't think you've had to haggle once with a working girl. They throw themselves at you. And naturally, you do the right thing in response: you throw yourself right back at them.I wish! And equally I remember that you have charm in spadefulls!
It looks like you are heading for BKK, and not Pattaya? If you make it here I can recommend a few places you might enjoy.
Happy hunting.
It looks like you are heading for BKK, and not Pattaya? If you make it here I can recommend a few places you might enjoy.I tried to PM you, but your box seems to be full.
Sadly, I arrive a few hours after you leave, it seems. I was actually thinking of maybe dropping by Pattaya for one night or so. Other than my massive work commitments in BKK, the problem is that there is potential for violence if I run into the wrong girl. She was a Bacarra dancer when I saw her last, and we were hot and heavy for a while before I decided I needed my own space. If she sees me snooping around her girlfriends' nether regions, she may just lose it. That's a risk I might tolerate for a night or so, but that's it. I don't even know if she is still working at Bacarra (no way of finding out) , but still.
So you might have some places to recommend? That bar outside Happy Agogo sounds fun, in a lonely kind of way.
Streetwalker7
07-30-13, 09:59
I tried to PM you, but your box seems to be full.
Sadly, I arrive a few hours after you leave, it seems. I was actually thinking of maybe dropping by Pattaya for one night or so. Other than my massive work commitments in BKK, the problem is that there is potential for violence if I run into the wrong girl. She was a Bacarra dancer when I saw her last, and we were hot and heavy for a while before I decided I needed my own space. If she sees me snooping around her girlfriends' nether regions, she may just lose it. That's a risk I might tolerate for a night or so, but that's it. I don't even know if she is still working at Bacarra (no way of finding out) , but still.
So you might have some places to recommend? That bar outside Happy Agogo sounds fun, in a lonely kind of way.Tell us more! Love funny stories.
She is a hooker for gods sake. If you not giving her money she probably wants nothing to do with you. Unles you lied for free sex. LOL.
I tried to PM you, but your box seems to be full.
Sadly, I arrive a few hours after you leave, it seems. I was actually thinking of maybe dropping by Pattaya for one night or so. Other than my massive work commitments in BKK, the problem is that there is potential for violence if I run into the wrong girl. She was a Bacarra dancer when I saw her last, and we were hot and heavy for a while before I decided I needed my own space. If she sees me snooping around her girlfriends' nether regions, she may just lose it. That's a risk I might tolerate for a night or so, but that's it. I don't even know if she is still working at Bacarra (no way of finding out) , but still.
So you might have some places to recommend? That bar outside Happy Agogo sounds fun, in a lonely kind of way.Shouldn't be, but I've deleted a few messages just in case.
Yes, it's surprising that one can bump into old friends, given how big Pattaya is. But then of course, a lot of the action is compressed into a few streets, and we tend to have regular haunts. So this trip I have spend my time (in descending order) : (a) in bed, (b) in Soi 6, (c) in the beer garden, (d) in a nice little legit massage place near Soi 6, (e) in the pool / the gym / jogging along Beach Road, and (f) on my scooter between those places.
I tried to PM you, but your box seems to be full.
Sadly, I arrive a few hours after you leave, it seems. I was actually thinking of maybe dropping by Pattaya for one night or so. Other than my massive work commitments in BKK, the problem is that there is potential for violence if I run into the wrong girl. She was a Bacarra dancer when I saw her last, and we were hot and heavy for a while before I decided I needed my own space. If she sees me snooping around her girlfriends' nether regions, she may just lose it. That's a risk I might tolerate for a night or so, but that's it. I don't even know if she is still working at Bacarra (no way of finding out) , but still.Did you do anything wrong or broke any promise? I'm sure if you ever run into her, nothing wll happen.
So you might have some places to recommend? That bar outside Happy Agogo sounds fun, in a lonely kind of way.That is where the beach discount girl was supposedly working, I may go check it out just for fun. Where it is? Anyone wants to join ?
Pointy Stick
07-30-13, 13:40
I have no interest on Elana other than knowing what she charges. 700 baht must mean she ain't attracting a whole lot of customers. Not hard to see why. She just isn't that pretty.I thought I blocked this clown as well as his alter ego H444 so I would be exposed to this garbage?
I thought I blocked this clown as well as his alter ego H444 so I would be exposed to this garbage?Yeah, I'm placing the guy on the good list again. Is not because he comes across truly contentious or anything, but simply because is like listening to a video-equipped ATM that dispenses unwanted advice about nothing of interest.
That is where the beach discount girl was supposedly working, I may go check it out just for fun. Where it is? Anyone wants to join ?They have this game: it's a big tree trunk, and you and the girl have a 6 inch nail each. You take it in turns to hit the nail with a hammer, and the first one to bury the nail wins.
Easy. Girl takes gentle tap and the nail goes in half an inch. OK. I take a massive swing, and luckily hit the nail dead on. Sparks fly and the nail barely moves. WTF? Perhaps it's on a knot? We repeat: another half inch for the girl and my solid blow barely moves my nail. A third go, and the same thing happens, except that my hit is off-centre, and the nail falls over. Now I get it, so my next hit is a gentle tap, and the nail drops half an inch or more. But of course it's too late, and I've lost this round.
Someone else can tell me the science, but it's a bit like bouncing putty to whatever it used to be called.
Her bar is right next to Happy A-GoGo, which is the next soi on the left after AngelWitch, off Walking Street.
They have this game: it's a big tree trunk, and you and the girl have a 6 inch nail each. You take it in turns to hit the nail with a hammer, and the first one to bury the nail wins.
Easy. Girl takes gentle tap and the nail goes in half an inch. OK. I take a massive swing, and luckily hit the nail dead on. Sparks fly and the nail barely moves. WTF? Perhaps it's on a knot? We repeat: another half inch for the girl and my solid blow barely moves my nail. A third go, and the same thing happens, except that my hit is off-centre, and the nail falls over. Now I get it, so my next hit is a gentle tap, and the nail drops half an inch or more. But of course it's too late, and I've lost this round.
Someone else can tell me the science, but it's a bit like bouncing putty to whatever it used to be called.
Her bar is right next to Happy A-GoGo, which is the next soi on the left after AngelWitch, off Walking Street.I've played this game before. It's not just a hammer, it's a hammer with a head shaped like a wedge. Unless you are spot on, it will be a glancing blow. I finally managed to with this game on my last trip and I used heaving blows. The trick is to hold the hammer closer to the head than you normally would. This gives you much better control.
Evil Penivel
07-31-13, 09:53
I was in Dream Club A Go Go Monday night. It's risen from the ashes of the old Carousel bar on Soi Diamond just off Walking Street. It is brand-spanking new (open less than a week) and has a nice set up. Clearly a fair chunk of change was spent on renovation. The girls were friendly and eager to sit with customers, but didn't hassle for drinks, even though there were only a few other customers in the bar at the time. Girls who recognized me from other bars came over to say hello, but none asked for a drink.
The 20-year-old coyote I invited to sit with me was gorgeous and had a very bubbly personality. I could write,"Me sat with me" and make perfect sense, as her name was Me. The girls were a mix of agency coyotes and bikini-clad dancers. There were two tall "Bangkok-model-style" dancers who did some impressive pole dancing and were topless for most of their show. Those were the only bare tits I saw during the hour or so I was there.
The seating is arranged so you have a clear view of the stage from wherever you're sitting. The lighting was bright, which is what I prefer, but that's a matter of personal preference. The music wasn't too loud. Each set of about 10 girls danced for roughly 20 minutes, rotating their positions on stage so you got a good look at all of them. The advantage of a lengthy dance "shift" is that it gives you a long stretch sitting with a girl who isn't dancing, the disadvantage being that you have to wait an equally long time for her to come back when she takes the stage for her shift. Considering the multi-girl shifts seem to alternate with the two-girl shows, there's plenty of "down time" for each girl.
A San Miguel Lite cost 135 baht and lady drinks 150. I've been told the bar offers an all-night Happy Hour deal on some mixed drinks and bottled Leo beer. No draft beer is available. I had already made arrangements for the night, so I didn't ask about bar fines and I never talk prices with the girls unless I'm ready to clinch the deal. I read on another board the bar fine for the coyotes is 1, 500 baht before midnight and 1, 000 after. I have idea about the BF for the bikini dancers.
Dream is a nice go go bar and I'll be back, which is the real test. But unless it's able to attract more customers, I can't see it remaining in business for long. It's set up to appeal to the same guys who frequent bars like Sensations and Whats Up, but I'm doubtful if there are enough such customers in Pattaya to fill multiple bars shooting for the high end of the market.
I exchanged a few words with the farang owner and he seemed a friendly guy.
Nice report EP, about the upper segment. With so much unimpressive material in the entry level, I understand the motivation completely.
Another possibility could be the luxury looking "entertrainment" centers on Pattaya North, kind like the soapies in Bangkok for rich Asians. I've never seen a report about.
Just to spare a separate post, this is "slim Pim" below. Smart personality with respectful boundaries (unless many others) , cute ass and tits. 1K at WS pub (I got 2 pops, one good guy could get more). I find that is very very difficult to get better than that at the discos.
Let this following story serve as a lesson to those who seek to pick a "fresh" girl up from a beer bar. This all happened in February 2013.
1) Wine them.
After dumping my 3-day 2-night "oldie but goldie" whom I had made acquaintance with at Bamboo bar and having had a "clean" night out at Lima and some Thai music clubs on 3rd Road with expat friends and their Thai wives, I felt inclined to find someone to cozy up with for the upcoming Macha Bucha day. It was Sunday night and around 5 pm I spotted a cute little spinner sporting quite impressive C-cups at Drop In Bar and Coffee on 2nd Road, just opposite Central Festival Mall. Kreem was her name and she came from the Laotian border. We downed a couple of drinks and I asked her to go eat with me as I had missed both my breakfast and lunch. I paid the bar fine since there was a promise of great sex in her eyes.
2) Dine them.
We went to the restaurant upstairs from the night market and got the conversation going. She was divorced with a kid (surprise!) and down to Pattaya for a month of making little extra for her recently widowed mother (sob!) and on leave from her marketing job in Bangkok. She really gave credit to the acronym Land of Smiles.
3) Do some handholding.
She seemed a prime candidate for a night at movies and I really wanted to see the theater at Central Festival. After watching Denzel Washington drink booze for two hours we headed towards Walking Street and danced a little at Walking Street disco. She was not against joining me at my hotel room. Great sex happened, followed by awesome cuddling and then some more great sex. Did I mention the sex was great?
4) Play home.
I thought she would want to go to a temple on Macha Bucha, but no."Oh, you have internet! You really have to see this awesome Thai soap opera. Will you watch this episode with me?" After 5 episodes some great sex followed. Six more episodes and then dinner in room. Two more episodes followed by some great sex. As it was a holiday for her I didn't need to pay the bar fine for Monday. Would I like to stay with her on Tuesday, too? Yes, I would. I fell asleep with her legs scissored around mine.
5) Hold her hair while she throws up.
On Tuesday, after a day out on town I asked her to join me to watch this quite funny show with live Thai music at a club at the very start of the Walking Street. I can't remember the name of the place but I had watched the show by myself already and it really helped to have someone to translate jokes. She had 5 Cokes with Jack and I was afraid she would fall off my motorbike on our way to the hotel. At hotel she threw up, first in bathroom and then into the waste basket. Not a pretty sight but I held her hair out of the way. As my brother is married to a Thai lady I knew what would follow: the sad story of her life. And then a rerun. And a rerun. One of us fell asleep in the middle of rerun number three. It might have been her.
6) There will be blood.
She woke up with hangover, but she was a good sport and said she would eat me alive that day. And she did, until the sheets started to feel funny kind of wet underneath us. It was not a trickle. More like a pool. I knew the maids were going to throw a fit."Could you please go to 7-11 and get me some pads?" Pads? All the pads in SEA could not have blocked that river.
7) Buy her tampons.
Of course I couldn't find the right kind of pads, so I bought her tampons instead. She had never in her life seen anything resembling a tampon."What is this string? Why is there a tube? I can't make any sense of these instructions! Can you do it for me?" So now I had done it: putting something else beside my dick, tongue or fingers into a Thai bar girl! The maids threw a tantrum and love was not among the feelings I could read in their eyes when they eyed my "conquest". Some soap opera watching followed. Sex was sticky and not so great.
8) Go buy pads.
The tampons felt funny to her so I scootered down to 7-11. I still couldn't find the pads so I called her and she explained what she wanted to the clerk. Not the proudest moment of my life. But my lady was happy and we went to pay one more bar fine. As there was still a chance of getting some more great sex this seemed like a smart thing to do. Upon returning to hotel she felt sick and nauseated. No sex followed. I took out my laptop and started working. Cuddling was good and there was a promise of great sex in the air. And the night fell.
9) Dream of a wedding.
Thursday morning was full of great expectations. Great sex was included in mine. But no girlfriend experience is complete without talk about wedding plans. Weddings by Mekong River are not expensive: 100 000 baht as dowry would also take care of catering and a small local band. She wrote the number 100 000 on a piece of paper and told me to keep it safe and think about. Now that talk had turned to money it was natural to discuss her mothers needs as a new widow. 1500 baht a day for the past four would be a good start. We agreed on 5000 baht so far and one more bar fine as there was a possibility of great sex. There was sex. After three hours of on-and-off shagging, DATY and all that old sin business I could not get my release. The picture of her mother and a piece of paper with hundred grand written on it were holding me back, not counting the fact that it was already day 10 of my Thailand trip. We went out to the town.
10) Take her shopping.
200 baht for a dress is not much. Nor is 150 baht for a shirt. They always start small. I learned that you can buy anything for your Thai girlfriend but you cannot pay for her shoes since that brings bad luck and leads to a break-up. What the heck, I paid for her shoes without hesitation and prayed for the wheels of destiny to turn quickly. We dined on street food and watched the sunset. Apparently there is some great fishing on Mekong River and it is not expensive to build a house up there. Well, you learn something new every day. I had a feeling there would be some great sex happening before morning. There was not.
11) Money talk leads to quarrel.
On Friday she found out her roommate had skipped town without paying for her part of the rent. It was funny because they had felt like sisters for all the 8 days she had already spent at Pattaya. It was only 5000 baht. Could I loan it to her? I politely declined. Sex was almost great and there was a suggestion on her part that we could do it without condom. I politely declined. Afterwards she asked if I would pay the bar fines for her for the whole weekend. I politely declined said I was at the end of my rope money wise. I paid her 1500 baht for our last night and said that if she paid her own bar fines she could stay with me for the weekend. We parted on good terms. She said she would dream of meeting me again. I dreamed of getting a threesome at Annie's, going to Eden and then finding a spinner at Hillary 4. Which I did the on Sunday, all three of them. And the sex was great.
12) Repeat steps 1 through 11 until you realize you can take a girl out of the bar but not the bar out of the girl (bar the exception that proves the rule).
Streetwalker7
08-01-13, 01:18
Nice report EP, about the upper segment. With so much unimpressive material in the entry level, I understand the motivation completely.
Another possibility could be the luxury looking "entertrainment" centers on Pattaya North, kind like the soapies in Bangkok for rich Asians. I've never seen a report about.
Just to spare a separate post, this is "slim Pim" below. Smart personality with respectful boundaries (unless many others) , cute ass and tits. 1K at WS pub (I got 2 pops, one good guy could get more). I find that is very very difficult to get better than that at the discos.Some of you who have never been I bet are asking yourselves do guys go thru all the trubble to go to Thai and do girls like this. The answer is you wouldn't believe the kind of girls guys go for. LOL. Is the money I think.
Value-a 3 should not be getting 1000 baht. 700 at most. In a pinch I bet girl take 500. LOL.
Maybe op was drunk at the time, or is just new to the scene. Overpaying often occurs to newbies-it happend to me a few times.
Member #1174
08-01-13, 01:47
Good job for recounting with such details the story that happened almost 6 months ago. Even better job for not having fallen for her.
Let this following story serve as a lesson to those who seek to pick a "fresh" girl up from a beer bar. This all happened in February 2013.
LuvAsianTang
08-01-13, 02:48
The problem is that any potentially interesting and useful post is rapidly overtaken by 10 posts flogging the same old dead horse. It's why I largely stopped using this forum. There is another forum that breaks it's subjects down into threads, so that issues like 'tipping' can be easily ignored.
Anyway, my 10 days in Pattaya are coming to an end soon, and despite the rain, the low season feel, and the roadworks on Beach Road, it has been one of the best yet. Enough of the doom-mongers! .Hello mouse1 can you send me a link to the other forum in private message please? To be frank I'm getting tired of all the bickering that happens in this forum. It's turned from the brotherhood of "sweet tiny little mother" fuckers, to the mother hood of brother fuckers.
It would be a breath of fresh air to read some straight forward and helpful reports for a change, without all of the bs that follows. By the way I would have sent this to you via private message but your box is full.
Thanks, LuvAsianTang
Streetwalker7
08-01-13, 06:41
That Marcos girl rang me a bell. She looks like the ex-Major League Baseball player Livan Hernandez. Quite a good pitcher by the way.
I was in Dream Club A Go Go Monday night. It's risen from the ashes of the old Carousel bar on Soi Diamond just off Walking Street.Thanks Evil for another excellent report with information that is good to know.
I walked right by the place that same night declining an invitation from a coyote girl positioned outside trying to lure punters in, as I was on my way to another bar. After reading your report I'm glad I declined.
This is just one more so called "high end" go-go bar in Pattaya in the same mold as Sensations, Sapphire, and a few others which are packed with nothing but agency supplied coyote girls. 1500 baht bar fines, no nudity, expensive drinks, and ridiculous fees for mediocre working girl services. What a sad disappointment to hear about it.
These new kinds of high priced establishment joints are like a cancer which is slowly infecting the Pattaya go-go bar scene in my opinion. We can only hope that the concept doesn't spread to the other bars and thereby ruin every one of them.
The go-go bar option in Pattaya now, for the most part as far as most expats are concerned, is good only for enjoying a few drinks and viewing the eye candy on the stage. No longer is a short time 2000 baht one pop, or long time minimum 4000 baht two pop experience worth the cost for a decent looking girl after paying a high bar fine and a short time hotel.
The soapies and oil massage parlors are now a much better deal for all in service and the girls are usually more experienced and just as young and hot.
The high end sex tourists and Japanese punters are welcome to patronize these bars and more power to them; maybe the town needs a few bars like them, but for my money there are a lot better opportunities elsewhere.
Sorry to be negative but just trying to tell it like it is.
Sorry to be negative but just trying to tell it like it is.One has to say things as they are. Suggest some soapie if you know.
Too bad the discos not any better. I've meet four or five girls in a row with horrible, unstable attitudes, let alone the looks that were just above average. By now I think I know all their faces. There is only one left that tickles my fantasy, a very cute spinner with the five columns tattoo, but I can tell for sure she only does as she please. To go there has become just some sort of pastime for me. Actually yesterday Beach Road had better looking girls that Walking Street. I had plenty of good sex from the lover so I did not took any.
LittleBigMan
08-01-13, 08:43
Daddy07,
As you and I know living here, and although I'm not the King like you but just serve as a body guard for you. The list you provided is a short one and let's not forget all the ones that have open in the L. K. Area. Same concept a mix and match of ownership trying to drive the market up. I know the guy that own and ran the old location where Dreams is located and had heard the market concept they have with the new clubs to confirm my opinions regarding these clubs. Pattaya is going through a massive change right now and slowly it will affect some of the older more established clubs which again has already happen in my opinion.
How it all shakes out is anyone guess, personally I hope the majority of them fail but not all since that would give the established one to monopoly the market to do something even more stupid?
I agree with you about the soapy but I can't swim.
LBM
BigJohn1196
08-01-13, 17:25
First went to Pattaya in 1978 and have seen so many changes over the ensuing 35 years that are certainly not for the good.
Spent 5 days at Sea Me Spring hotel due to a recommendation from an earlier poster. Join for 350Bt and you get 350Bt off the daily room rate. That means 1500 a night. It was 500Bt discount in July. I would thoroughly recommend this hotel on Soi10 and especially so to people who have not been to Pattaya before. The rooms are large, clean and there is little culture shock that can be found in the cheaper hotels. Opposite there is a buffet breakfast for 99Bt at Sawasdee hotel that is OK for quantity but poor in quality. The coffee is crap but there are other options fairly nearby.
I have always been successful in finding what I want in Bamboo Bar at the end of Beach Road close to the entrance to Walking Street. The girls vary in age from 25 to 40 and I had zero problem at 1500Bt all night with girls that spoke English. Of course there is no bar fine and drinks are the same for men and women. These women want to get laid and I have rarely found a poor performer. I took three girls over a 3 night period and all were great in bed, stayed for breakfast and screwed again after that. The hotel phones the room when they go down to pick up their ID card.
I enjoy massages and as always every massage place offers the same price and service on Beach Road and Second St. For those of you who have not been to Soi 13 on the opposite side to Beach Road off Second Road go up it to Soi Metro. Prices are half and the services the same. Hard to get FS but a hand job is always available for 200Bt tip.
Enjoy the wet weather.
Let this following story serve as a lesson to those who seek to pick a "fresh" girl up from a beer bar. This all happened in February 2013.
9) Dream of a wedding.
Thursday morning was full of great expectations. Great sex was included in mine. But no girlfriend experience is complete without talk about wedding plans. Weddings by Mekong River are not expensive: 100 000 baht as dowry would also take care of catering and a small local band. She wrote the number 100 000 on a piece of paper and told me to keep it safe and think about. Now that talk had turned to money it was natural to discuss her mothers needs as a new widow. 1500 baht a day for the past four would be a good start. We agreed on 5000 baht so far and one more bar fine as there was a possibility of great sex. There was sex. After three hours of on-and-off shagging, DATY and all that old sin business I could not get my release. The picture of her mother and a piece of paper with hundred grand written on it were holding me back, not counting the fact that it was already day 10 of my Thailand trip. We went out to the town.Great post! This is the template for how most farang-bg relationships start! I loved the part about having to insert the tampon! It reminded me of this hilarious skit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2-nBQMWimc
On a more serious note, just an FYI for the guys. If the lady is from a wealthy family, or the family has a high social status, then there are exceptions. But, as a general rule to absolutely live by, a sin sot is NEVER required if the lady has been previously married, or if she has children from a previous relationship, married or not. LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT.
The sin sot has lots of cultural nuances, but essentially it was compensation to the family for loss of a daughter. The reason is that the daughters did all the work around the house. However, the quid pro quo was that she was to be a virgin. To this day most Thai guys like to marry a virgin, hence the problem puu ying Thai have with finding a husband if they have kids from a previous relationship.
100K baht would probably be OK for a young, unmarried, no kids farm girl from a modest family. It is most certainly about 95K baht too high for a girl with kids, working in a Pattaya beer bar.
Great post! This is the template for how most farang-bg relationships start! I loved the part about having to insert the tampon! It reminded me of this hilarious skit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2-nBQMWimc
On a more serious note, just an FYI for the guys. If the lady is from a wealthy family, or the family has a high social status, then there are exceptions. But, as a general rule to absolutely live by, a sin sot is NEVER required if the lady has been previously married, or if she has children from a previous relationship, married or not. LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT."Private Dancer" . It is all there and should be required reading for all newbies.
"Private Dancer" . It is all there and should be required reading for all newbies.Never got around to reading it, but I've heard it was good. I'll get a copy.
I learned all this from a "good" Thai lady. The bar girls certainly aren't going to tell you this! :D :D :D
LittleBigMan
08-02-13, 01:45
I have read a bunch of books including Private Dancer, one of the best if you are in a relationship is " Thailand Fever" but no matter what book they fail to point blank tell you regarding Sin Sot in Thailand this rule like many does not hold for Thais yet it does for a Farang especially if they are a bar girl.
I know a lot of Farang that live here married or in a relationship and one might be able to use reasoning that this is how much they are worth, because of this or that and they can say they understand and get it down to nearly nothing but sooner or later it will come back to bit them in the ass one way or another. Reading, saying and doing is two different things?
One thing I know if the parents first hand starts demanding that is when you start running but of course that is a individual choice?
LBM
First went to Pattaya in 1978 and have seen so many changes over the ensuing 35 years that are certainly not for the good.
Spent 5 days at Sea Me Spring hotel due to a recommendation from an earlier poster. Join for 350Bt and you get 350Bt off the daily room rate. That means 1500 a night. It was 500Bt discount in July.Thanks for the report. Sounds like you had a good time.
Did you notice much construction noise during your stay on Soi 10?
Streetwalker7
08-02-13, 02:14
Who would have thought a book about bargirls and marriges would become like a Bible. Who in their right mind would marry a hooker. LOL?
No offense to many here who have. LOL.
Mr Enternational
08-02-13, 04:36
I have read a bunch of books including Private Dancer, one of the best if you are in a relationship is " Thailand Fever" but no matter what book they fail to point blank tell you regarding Sin Sot in Thailand this rule like many does not hold for Thais yet it does for a Farang especially if they are a bar girlI'm half way through Thailand Fever right now. It is definitely about relationships with bar girls because it is far away from the point of any non-sex workers that I know. Another book I'm reading now is My Name is Lon. You Like Me? I'm not too fond of that one. It is written by an American guy supposedly from the point of view of the girl. For me it goes to shit with him adding all kinds of NGO statistics in as if it is from the girl's own thinking.
I have read a bunch of books including Private Dancer, one of the best if you are in a relationship is " Thailand Fever" but no matter what book they fail to point blank tell you regarding Sin Sot in Thailand this rule like many does not hold for Thais yet it does for a Farang especially if they are a bar girl.
I know a lot of Farang that live here married or in a relationship and one might be able to use reasoning that this is how much they are worth, because of this or that and they can say they understand and get it down to nearly nothing but sooner or later it will come back to bit them in the ass one way or another. Reading, saying and doing is two different things?
One thing I know if the parents first hand starts demanding that is when you start running but of course that is a individual choice?
LBMThe obvious solution is to avoid marrying a bar girl. Loads of nice ladies running around the country. Why does anybody want that kind of misery?
CorporateMalaya
08-02-13, 06:01
I think at this point you casually ram your manhood up the backside of the girl from the 'wrong' side of the line, while dialing up a mate on your cellphone and inquiring about some sports score.
It's true, the Eden and DD girls can be a bit of a challenge because they're so used to getting away with their standard procedures. But if you make it clear to them that you're expecting more, and then really take control, most of them can rise to the occasion.Same thing happened with me as well. Got to the point when it was too noisy. Constant chit chat between the two DD girls and little action. Now I do only out calls to my room one at a time.
LittleBigMan
08-02-13, 06:23
Mr. E, and P. P.
As for Thailand Fever, it is a very informative book and the one noted item in the book is and it has been a long long time since I read it is that if you are in a relationship with a Thai, if she doesn't read it consider the relationship over and if you are already in a relationship and she has family living with you and he / she refuses to read it even when you offer them money. Pack their bags and tell them to leave asap!
The remarks to not marry a Thai as the solution I agree is best but being individuals like everything we read here on this board we are all different that is just our make up. I been through hell and back but still find myself drawn to things that are forbidden so I can return to hell again. Maybe that is why when I went to the Thai temple the monk ended up telling me to leave and never come back?
People can read this book, and not everything is spell out one has to really have a good head on their shoulders to be able to read between the lines to truly understand what is being said in the books. Sadly even when you experience some of the situation noted in the book it isn't easy to deal with when the situation and emotions are in play. I have a family member that I gave the book to years ago he was making many of the mistake noted in the book and after reading it he said he understood a lot more now. A few days later he took me he couldn't have coffee in the morning he said he was going to the village of a girl he just met a few days ago to tag along to visit the parents but we are just friends. I guess he missed the part of meeting the girls parents if he doesn't intend to marry?
The author of the book doesn't live too far from where I use to live and years ago I contacted her and met her. It should be remember she was married to a Farang and they both co-wrote the book but today are divorced? No matter if they are bargirls or not from books people are reading I have lean the culture beliefs to a degree is embedded in every part of their society from top to bottom. I've concluded that the higher the education level the easier they are to deal with along with family. A bigger plus is if they have been abroad and educated that is even better but they all have a problem with loosing face and when they do people make decision when they are angry and that isn't good in my book?
LBM
Mr Enternational
08-02-13, 06:25
The obvious solution is to avoid marrying a bar girl. Loads of nice ladies running around the country. Why does anybody want that kind of misery?It might be something that started back in their home country. Namely that they are afraid of normal women that it will take more than just passing money to in order to get them.
The obvious solution is to avoid marrying a bar girl. Loads of nice ladies running around the country. Why does anybody want that kind of misery?True enough and good advice. I'd offer a slightly more comprehensive approach however for all of any age or nationality.
Forget marriage altogether. Done. Purge it from our collective memories till it becomes no more than a rarely used word such as ancient Greek or some other dead language.
Even if children are desired why introduce any government regulations into our already much government interfered with lives and in such a sensitive area as emotion!
Marriage only helps the woman financially. There is no manly benefit either emotionally, faithfully or otherwise. And no other benefit for the woman either except as a subject of sympathy when the man fucks up.
Selective cohabitation should fill the need if one feels it that strongly.
If she wants you to wear a ring that's fine but don't sign the papers!
Folks,
Planning a trip to Pattaya shortly and was taking the ISG orientation course. Talking of bar girls, I am in touch with a bar manager (mamasan?) through facebook. MILF type, which I fancy with good looks. After being in touch for a couple of weeks, when I announced my date of travel, pat came the reply that she is in urgent need of 4000 BT for paying her rent and she would replay me when I come to Pattaya. I was surprised at her confidence that someone would send her money after exchanging few messages over facebook. I politely refused and said that I would like to meet her first and take things from there. She looks certainly doable but I do not think 4000 BT is what you would pay for a bar girl, going by the reports. Not sure if anyone has had an experience with a mamasan.
Any thoughts and advice guys?
Mr Enternational
08-03-13, 01:13
Talking of bar girls, I am in touch with a bar manager (mamasan?) through facebook. After being in touch for a couple of weeks, when I announced my date of travel, pat came the reply that she is in urgent need of 4000 BT for paying her rent and she would replay me when I come to Pattaya. Any thoughts and advice guys?I think you already answered your own question before you asked it.
I was surprised at her confidence that someone would send her money after exchanging few messages over facebook. I politely refused and said that I would like to meet her first and take things from there.
Folks,
Planning a trip to Pattaya shortly and was taking the ISG orientation course. Talking of bar girls, I am in touch with a bar manager (mamasan?) through facebook. MILF type, which I fancy with good looks. After being in touch for a couple of weeks, when I announced my date of travel, pat came the reply that she is in urgent need of 4000 BT for paying her rent and she would replay me when I come to Pattaya. I was surprised at her confidence that someone would send her money after exchanging few messages over facebook. I politely refused and said that I would like to meet her first and take things from there. She looks certainly doable but I do not think 4000 BT is what you would pay for a bar girl, going by the reports. Not sure if anyone has had an experience with a mamasan. Any thoughts and advice guys?There is an old saying. If you don't ask, you'll never get.
Clearly the lady ain't shy about asking complete strangers for money. If she asks enough people, she'll get a few suckers. It's a numbers game. We will officially drum you out of the ISG Corps and strip you of your membership if you fall for something this nutty.
BTW, are you sure she is legit and really exists? I've heard rumors that some Nigerians have the temerity to pose as other people on web sites and solicit money. It's probably just a racist rumor, but you can't be too careful. :D :D
Mr Enternational
08-03-13, 04:03
There is an old saying. If you don't ask, you'll never get. Clearly the lady ain't shy about asking complete strangers for money. If she asks enough people, she'll get a few suckers. It's a numbers game.The same as meeting chicks. All of them won't say yes. And even out of the ones who do, you may not fuck half. But if you never open your mouth and try to meet them you will fuck 0.
LittleBigMan
08-03-13, 06:21
The same as meeting chicks. All of them won't say yes. And even out of the ones who do, you may not fuck half. But if you never open your mouth and try to meet them you will fuck 0.That is so true it is a numbers game. In the old days in the Disco Saturday Night Fever days, my buddy use to love to dance but pretty much a wall flower otherwise. As soon as we went in I became the wallflower and he became the disco king. I would watch him go around the room and ask until someone would dance with him. He has no shame, no ego, I use to think how the f-k can you get turn down so many times and not have it affect your ego?
As for lending money if she is doing this on Facebook, you shouldn't loose any sleep over it if you just skip over it and don't give or say anything. Based on what I going to say because my membership will be stripped but what the hell I'll make the sacrifice to help you out. I was seeing a good friend with this P4P, we got it on pretty well, one day she said I'm short on the rent " I'll pay you back " months later it was she got robbed, short for this, nearly two years later the big one was " I just got a abortion " and can't work now for 2 weeks, thinking why tell me? Is it mines and did she do me a favor? Thinking whatever I might be getting off light? I said o. K, long story short in the end, she got a sponsor, saw her the other day after no call for months for a old time drink while she was visiting in town. Never got pay back even though she was showing off buying drinks for all her old friends and me that is all I got? Not even a kiss or hug just a handshake? Smiling I said have a good life and you will understand if I delete your number from my contacts. Just like the line " I will pay you back " it was " up to you " Now don't get me wrong I hope if you do she does pay you back and don't get me wrong there are one's that will pay you back and cherish those Thais that do! But someone asking for money over the Internet even if it was a scam from a Nigerian etc. You know the Chinese was recently caught doing something very similar in Bangkok. Like the other poster said " you answer you own question!"
LBM
Streetwalker7
08-03-13, 09:20
That is so true it is a numbers game. In the old days in the Disco Saturday Night Fever days, my buddy use to love to dance but pretty much a wall flower otherwise. As soon as we went in I became the wallflower and he became the disco king. I would watch him go around the room and ask until someone would dance with him. He has no shame, no ego, I use to think how the f-k can you get turn down so many times and not have it affect your ego?
As for lending money if she is doing this on Facebook, you shouldn't loose any sleep over it if you just skip over it and don't give or say anything...Why would you be stripped of membership? Now I know why you so bitter. You were one of thsoe guys who didn't understand the prostitute-customer relationship.
Good for you that now you do.
In 8.5 years I whenever chosen the girls that have stories of non-sense, I really would like to be able to say to a bargirl no I cannot help with your rent, no I don't know how much a new bffalo costs, no I'm not paying for a new heart 4 granny. LOL.
Some guys are just so luckie!
BTW, are you sure she is legit and really exists? I've heard rumors that some Nigerians have the temerity to pose as other people on web sites and solicit money. It's probably just a racist rumor, but you can't be too careful. :D :DI think she does exist going by the facebook page which has her pics in the bar and she updates pics everyday. With so many bars around, this could be a marketing pitch to get customers before they set their foot on the land of milk and honey.
FoxesHunter
08-03-13, 18:20
The next month I will reach Pattaya and I'd like to know if there is a better exchange rate by ATM or by exchange house.
Thanks
Fast Buck Artist
08-04-13, 04:10
Hey Fellas, I am coming to Pattaya after 5 years being away, heard a lot changed and the place is more expensive? The hotel prices seem to be quite reasonable.
Whats the going price today for the ladies? 5 years ago I remember stopping at Happy A-Go-Go and my memory is not crisp but it was about 3000 baht for the bf + long time for a very nice girl. I like taller girls (5'5+, yea I am in the wrong country, I know) and Happy seemed to have quite a few of these. Don't want to be an overpayer that everyone hates. Where do I find a good bargain?
I like taller girls (5'5+, yea I am in the wrong country, I know) and Happy seemed to have quite a few of these. Don't want to be an overpayer that everyone hates.If you want to pull out a tall stunner from Happy you probably will have to overspend just because this place usually is packed with japanese and korean guys. IMHO it's not really fun to outspend them.
Where do I find a good bargain?Insomnia, Ibar, for some lesser quality beachroad
Mr Enternational
08-04-13, 07:45
"On Wednesday Night a foreign operative was sent inside the 'My Friend You Bar' located in Soi 6 off Pattaya Beach Road, armed with 3,000 Baht in marked bank notes, and was able to pay the money to the cashier in exchange for a 'short time' encounter with a girl aged 15.
At Pattaya Police Station the girl revealed that she would receive 1,000 Baht of the money but would have to pay 300 Baht for the use of a room which left her with 700 Baht"
http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/97528/15-year-bar-worker-discovered-soi-6-bar-pattaya-police/
"On Wednesday Night a foreign operative was sent inside the 'My Friend You Bar' located in Soi 6 off Pattaya Beach Road, armed with 3, 000 Baht in marked bank notes, and was able to pay the money to the cashier in exchange for a 'short time' encounter with a girl aged 15.
At Pattaya Police Station the girl revealed that she would receive 1, 000 Baht of the money but would have to pay 300 Baht for the use of a room which left her with 700 Baht"
http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/97528/15-year-bar-worker-discovered-soi-6-bar-pattaya-police/So who wound up with the remaining 2000?
The next month I will reach Pattaya and I'd like to know if there is a better exchange rate by ATM or by exchange house.
ThanksCheck the exchange booths (non Thai bank) on Soi Buakhao.
FoxesHunter
08-04-13, 09:45
Check the exchange booths (non Thai bank) on Soi Buakhao.I thank you for your suggestion. What are the exchange booths precisely?
Fast Buck Artist
08-04-13, 09:54
Insomnia, Ibar, for some lesser quality beachroadThanks mate, so what kind of prices should I be looking at to give for tips and barfines there?
I hear you on the freespending japanese, I am scratching my head where all this money is coming from, their currency just lost 30% of its value, and japan's economy is not exactly hot right now to justify this largesse.
LittleBigMan
08-04-13, 13:11
Thanks mate, so what kind of prices should I be looking at to give for tips and barfines there?
I hear you on the freespending japanese, I am scratching my head where all this money is coming from, their currency just lost 30% of its value, and japan's economy is not exactly hot right now to justify this largesse.Maybe it's because their culture they are taught to save their money instead on living on credit regardless if their currency has lost.
Living in Japan is expensive and the salaries they get aren't 3rd world. Some of these guys aren't making hourly wages?
There is also a large Japanese population of oversea workers living down the road in Siracha.
Their flight is only 6. 5 hours,
Also they still have one of the largest economy in the world regardless and just because they are hurting which nearly everyone else is too, I would assume if they are out of work or getting pay less because of their economy they wouldn't even be here?
LBM
OnePackGuy
08-04-13, 13:34
Maybe it's because their culture they are taught to save their money instead on living on credit regardless if their currency has lost.
Living in Japan is expensive and the salaries they get aren't 3rd world. Some of these guys aren't making hourly wages?
There is also a large Japanese population of oversea workers living down the road in Siracha.
Their flight is only 6. 5 hours,
Also they still have one of the largest economy in the world regardless and just because they are hurting which nearly everyone else is too, I would assume if they are out of work or getting pay less because of their economy they wouldn't even be here?
LBMIf you are talking the average salary man, then the last two decades have hit pretty hard, especially the young. The older ones have seniority and their pensions. The younger have none. There is also a difference whether they are expats in Thailand or guys simply vacationing. Could also be on the company tab if with clients. So you never know without asking.
What are the exchange booths precisely?There are many places to change money all over town. They are usually small locations with a couple of people behind glass. I guess that's why some people call them "exchange booths." You present your foreign currency, they count it, and then you get your baht. Some places ask to see your passport. Most of them do not.
The rates of exchange vary from place to place, but only by a tiny amount. Unless you are changing a large amount of money it's not worth your time to wander all over town looking for that last one-tenth of one percent You'll get the best exchange rate on large denomination notes, such as the USD $100 bill or the 100 Euro note. You should also make sure your notes are recently printed and in good condition. The money changers don't like ratty looking currency.
Bunky
Mr Enternational
08-04-13, 17:56
Thanks mate, so what kind of prices should I be looking at to give for tips and barfines there?Insomnia and iBar are disco and bar. It is the same as you would find where you live. It is not a beer bar. (In a beer bar waitresses / women who are there are employees of the bar and you have to pay a bar fine in order for them to leave the bar.) So in places like Insomnia and iBar you will find freelance and non-pro women. You negotiate with them; there is no bar fine or anything to pay to the establishment because everyone inside is a patron (except for the normal waiters and waitresses). I pay 1000 for long time. Sometimes less. Non-pros I don't pay anything, hence the definition of non-prostitute.
Fast Buck Artist
08-04-13, 18:28
Quite a change of landscape from what I remember 5 years ago. Thailand seems overrun by busloads of Chinese, they are everywhere in size. Walking street seems to have replaced english with Russian as its language. If you have blonde hair expect to be addressed in Russian at every turn. Even the thai street musicians are learning Russian songs which sound quite funny in their accents.
My first stop was Bliss Lounge, a blowjob bar, all I bought was a 50baht juice. The ladies on duty were so ugly they'd have to pay me to do them. Maybe after 5 beers instead of the juice I could be persuaded, but I just had some small chat with a fellow bar patron and moved on.
Went up to Soi 6 and the street has some annoying and aggressive ladyboys teaming up to try and grab your arm and grab your dick as you pass by, wrestling out of their clutches I picked the bar named My Friend You and took the taller young girl to go inside with me. Not a single word of english was spoken as she turned out to be a new arrival from Isaan province just a few days on the job. A comical exchange followed of me trying to use sign language to teach her a few words. This is glass, this is table, etc. I don't know how much of that sank in, but she warmed up and was happy to go upstairs for some full service action. She performed well, we managed to communicate waving hands and pointing fingers like deaf people do. Was very happy with a modest 1000 bhat offering, bowing thai style with clasped hands. The bar took 300 bhat for using the room and a bit for the drinks. Total damage 1500bhat, which isn't expensive at all, reading the negative reports here I was bracing myself for some astronomical bills.
Went on to have a meal on walking street and get amused by watching Russian grandmothers with a 6 year old in tow strolling up and down the red light district taking photos. Will check out more tomorrow. So far so good.
Quite a change of landscape from what I remember 5 years ago. Thailand seems overrun by busloads of Chinese, they are everywhere in size. Walking street seems to have replaced english with Russian as its language. If you have blonde hair expect to be addressed in Russian at every turn. Even the thai street musicians are learning Russian songs which sound quite funny in their accents.
My first stop was Bliss Lounge, a blowjob bar, all I bought was a 50baht juice. The ladies on duty were so ugly they'd have to pay me to do them. Maybe after 5 beers instead of the juice I could be persuaded, but I just had some small chat with a fellow bar patron and moved on.
Went up to Soi 6 and the street has some annoying and aggressive ladyboys teaming up to try and grab your arm and grab your dick as you pass by, wrestling out of their clutches I picked the bar named My Friend You and took the taller young girl to go inside with me. Not a single word of english was spoken as she turned out to be a new arrival from Isaan province just a few days on the job. A comical exchange followed of me trying to use sign language to teach her a few words. This is glass, this is table, etc. I don't know how much of that sank in, but she warmed up and was happy to go upstairs for some full service action. She performed well, we managed to communicate waving hands and pointing fingers like deaf people do. Was very happy with a modest 1000 bhat offering, bowing thai style with clasped hands. The bar took 300 bhat for using the room and a bit for the drinks. Total damage 1500bhat, which isn't expensive at all, reading the negative reports here I was bracing myself for some astronomical bills.
Went on to have a meal on walking street and get amused by watching Russian grandmothers with a 6 year old in tow strolling up and down the red light district taking photos. Will check out more tomorrow. So far so good.The standard rate at all the bars there is 300 baht for the room. 700 baht for the girl, and perhaps a couple of drinks. Tipping is optional and generally not expected.
There are many places to change money all over town. They are usually small locations with a couple of people behind glass. I guess that's why some people call them "exchange booths." You present your foreign currency, they count it, and then you get your baht. Some places ask to see your passport. Most of them do not.
The rates of exchange vary from place to place, but only by a tiny amount. Unless you are changing a large amount of money it's not worth your time to wander all over town looking for that last one-tenth of one percent You'll get the best exchange rate on large denomination notes, such as the USD $100 bill or the 100 Euro note. You should also make sure your notes are recently printed and in good condition. The money changers don't like ratty looking currency.
BunkyThe best rates are generally at the bright yellow Kungsri Bank booths.
Why would you be stripped of membership? Now I know why you so bitter. You were one of thsoe guys who didn't understand the prostitute-customer relationship.
Good for you that now you do.
In 8. 5 years I whenever chosen the girls that have stories of non-sense, I really would like to be able to say to a bargirl no I cannot help with your rent, no I don't know how much a new bffalo costs, no I'm not paying for a new heart 4 granny. LOL.
Some guys are just so luckie!You never lend money to a bar girl. You give it and don't expect to see it back. There's no shame in that. Sometimes the hard-luck stories are true, and giving a few 1000 baht from your relatively large income to help someone you like who may be having problems is a good thing to do.
That's not the same as sending money to a random lady on FaceBook.
BambiJacobson
08-04-13, 20:44
Quite a change of landscape from what I remember 5 years ago. Thailand seems overrun by busloads of Chinese, they are everywhere in size. Walking street seems to have replaced english with Russian as its language. If you have blonde hair expect to be addressed in Russian at every turn. Even the thai street musicians are learning Russian songs which sound quite funny in their accents.
My first stop was Bliss Lounge, a blowjob bar, all I bought was a 50baht juice. The ladies on duty were so ugly they'd have to pay me to do them. Maybe after 5 beers instead of the juice I could be persuaded, but I just had some small chat with a fellow bar patron and moved on.
Went up to Soi 6 and the street has some annoying and aggressive ladyboys teaming up to try and grab your arm and grab your dick as you pass by, wrestling out of their clutches I picked the bar named My Friend You and took the taller young girl to go inside with me. Not a single word of english was spoken as she turned out to be a new arrival from Isaan province just a few days on the job. A comical exchange followed of me trying to use sign language to teach her a few words...I am in Pattaya right now and I do not recount your experience at all.
Went to Bliss today and got a great BJ. WS was full of all nationalities as it should be. I did not experience that many Russians. Perhaps because I am not looking for them. Saw Germans, Italians, English, Indian, Dutch etc. Many nationalities.
The grabby part of Soi 6 is way overrated. There are great "new" places there like Nightwish and Sky Bar with no ladyboy policy. All girls only girls and free food, shots and great party atmos. When I write new they are not new names but the owner ships changed fairly recently.
My trip report will be posted when I return in 3 weeks time. If any BMs want to meet up and have a fun experience in Pattaya PM me.
Whats the going price today for the ladies? 5 years ago I remember stopping at Happy A-Go-Go and my memory is not crisp but it was about 3000 baht for the bf + long time for a very nice girl. I like taller girls (5'5+, yea I am in the wrong country, I know) and Happy seemed to have quite a few of these. Don't want to be an overpayer that everyone hates. Where do I find a good bargain?When I was in Patts in Mar 2013 the pricing at Happy AGoGo Group establishments (including Happy GoGo) was:
BF 700 baht (whether you want the lady for ST or LT)
ST 2, 000 baht was pretty standard.
LT 3, 000 baht was pretty standard.
Of course it depends on your negotiating skills and what the lady thinks of you. With enough skill you can get the lady down to ST 1, 500 or LT 2, 500 (maybe even LT 2, 000 if she's really hungry / eager).
Though the stunners at Baccara GoGo will rarely go for ST 1, 500 baht. Or you could see if the lady will meet you after work (eg at iBar) to avoid the BF and maybe get her for a cheap freelancer ST / LT. Happy Group's tend to close at 4 am and after that I rarely seen any of their ladies at iBar / Insomnia. Hopefully my luck will be better this month.
There are some GoGos with exorbitant pricing (eg BF 1, 500 before midnight, BF 1, 000 after midnight) , with the ladies quoting ridiculous ST / LT prices, such as:
- On Walking Street: Sensations, What's Up.
- On LK Metro: Lady Love
I am in Pattaya right now and I do not recount your experience at all.
Went to Bliss today and got a great BJ.Been said before, BJ bars do not employ good looking women. Good looking women can make more money selling their looks in other places, but one thing I've noticed about Bliss is the high turnover rate they have. Seems like every month the girls change over, there was a sweet 21 year old girl there last month who had a generous mouth but she has moved on, it is hard to choose from the line up. The heavy set cashier is kinda cute, smiles a lot and makes good eye contact but for whatever reason when I show up there is a bar full of customers. Hope I catch her alone one day to see if she is game.
LittleBigMan
08-05-13, 04:00
If you are talking the average salary man, then the last two decades have hit pretty hard, especially the young. The older ones have seniority and their pensions. The younger have none. There is also a difference whether they are expats in Thailand or guys simply vacationing. Could also be on the company tab if with clients. So you never know without asking.Take what you just listed along with mines and any others that comes should give some indication as to why they spend what they spend. Just because their economy is down doesn't mean the are broke?
LBM
Fast Buck Artist
08-05-13, 04:06
When I was in Patts in Mar 2013 the pricing at Happy AGoGo Group establishments (including Happy GoGo) was:
BF 700 baht (whether you want the lady for ST or LT)
ST 2, 000 baht was pretty standard.
LT 3, 000 baht was pretty standard.Thanks, thats a handy guide. What exactly is ST here? One bonk and the girl leaves or does she leave at a certain time, like midnight?
Streetwalker7
08-05-13, 05:46
Thanks, thats a handy guide. What exactly is ST here? One bonk and the girl leaves or does she leave at a certain time, like midnight?The girl leaves 1/2 second after you ejaculate. LOL.
Fast Buck Artist
08-05-13, 06:08
Just because their economy is down doesn't mean the are broke?
LBMAverage disposable income in Japan is $27, 000 a year (in USA its $42, 000 a year) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage) and thats before Abe devalued the yen by 30%. Furthermore, in Japan the japanese are notorious penny-pinchers, very frugal and thrifty, trying to cut expenses and avoid borrowing. This is completely at odds with the kind of behaviour we see from japanese mongers splurging like money is no object.
Streetwalker7
08-05-13, 06:16
How do you know they are splurging? In the Japan forums a big topic is how much for short time-answer is 2500.
Girls gravtate to them because they are so gentie. Very sensous sexually. LOL. Many a Thai girl say Japan man can make them come 3 or 4 times per short time. LOL.
And they do tip too. Funny because they don't tip elswhere. Just Thai pussy!
LittleBigMan
08-05-13, 12:50
Average disposable income in Japan is $27, 000 a year (in USA its $42, 000 a year) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage)
And thats before Abe devalued the yen by 30. Furthermore, in Japan the japanese are notorious penny-pinchers, very frugal and thrifty, trying to cut expenses and avoid borrowing. This is completely at odds with the kind of behaviour we see from japanese mongers splurging like money is no object.You seem to got all the stats but reality then why are so many afraid to complete with them at the go go based on the disposable income the places should be empty and no ping pongs should be flying. Based on how expensive a coke or noodle is in Japan they shouldn't even be able to afford the plane ride?
I've said my piece maybe all these Japanese are visiting Thailand are all millionaires. It's hard to believe a average joe on 27, 000 even if he is saving his ass off once his wife turns her back and he hops on a flight buying drinks, throwing ping pong, and barfining several girls giving them 2, 000 baht just to go eat with him and maybe even no sex. Shit if he is only maybe 27, 000 I would like to know his secret so I can start doing that?
LBM
LittleBigMan
08-05-13, 12:54
Thanks, thats a handy guide. What exactly is ST here? One bonk and the girl leaves or does she leave at a certain time, like midnight?Sorry not a flame? You just quoted stats regarding the average joes makes in japan but you don't know what you are going to get for ST?
LBM
Average disposable income in Japan is $27, 000 a year (in USA its $42, 000 a year) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage)
And thats before Abe devalued the yen by 30. Furthermore, in Japan the japanese are notorious penny-pinchers, very frugal and thrifty, trying to cut expenses and avoid borrowing. This is completely at odds with the kind of behaviour we see from japanese mongers splurging like money is no object.Nonsense. I don't even need to Google that to see that your numbers are wildly wrong.
For example the average salary in the UK is about £25K, so I suspect your USA figure is average salary, or perhaps post-tax salary? Disposable income is perhaps 10. 15% of salary, depending on circumstances. So an average Brit might have disposable income of £3K; probably about double that in the States?
So why are the Japanese big spenders in Thailand? Firstly, they do have more disposable income because they have less debt in general, so more likely to spend wildly on holiday. Second, you are seeing the big spenders. There are plenty of other Japs who have cheap holidays, and perhaps stay in Japan. It's not that cheap to fly out of Japan, so there is a self-selecting group of above average earning salarymen who come to Thailand, and may even be on company expenses. But most importantly, everything is so cheap in Thailand compared with Japan that it seems like petty cash to them. I remember my first trip to Thailand, getting 70 baht to the £. A taxi driver tried to rip me off by asking 100 baht for a short journey. I was so embarrassed at paying just over £ that I gave him 200 baht. I wouldn't do that again. But a Jap who is used to paying £500 for a session with a nice Japanese girl will think nothing if dropping 5000 baht for ST with a Thai gogo dancer.
You seem to got all the stats but reality then why are so many afraid to complete with them at the go go based on the disposable income the places should be empty and no ping pongs should be flying. Based on how expensive a coke or noodle is in Japan they shouldn't even be able to afford the plane ride?
I've said my piece maybe all these Japanese are visiting Thailand are all millionaires. It's hard to believe a average joe on 27, 000 even if he is saving his ass off once his wife turns her back and he hops on a flight buying drinks, throwing ping pong, and barfining several girls giving them 2, 000 baht just to go eat with him and maybe even no sex. Shit if he is only maybe 27, 000 I would like to know his secret so I can start doing that?
LBMLBM.
He doesn't understand the concept of disposable income.
Mouse
CorporateMalaya
08-05-13, 16:36
The place to be in case you are in the mood for a long night of dance and festivity.
Noticed the same gangs of farang and girls day after day with their usual seating and corners.
Scored 3 times from there on 4 nights and got a snog from a starfish type gogo girl.
Well she bought me a few rounds as well and asked me to pass by her go go the next day.
That and the events will be in another story.
Overall, great place to hang out, plenty of girls. Be careful and look around before you finalise as its pretty dark.
The club card is a good investment, went for the normal one and a friend took a gold which allows 2 guest to be taken with you upstairs.
A percentage of the drinks get added up which can be exchanged for drinks or souvenirs later.
You will see that from the pics, it has a great view but the action is all down.
So the best thing is to score downstairs and bring her up where its a bit quiet and better illuminated.
Stick to one waiter and get billed in the end for extra style.
Streetwalker7
08-05-13, 18:25
I can see a Ippun newbie looking at the price list st 2.5 k and lt 4.5 and saying to the girl I really would enjoy paying double your asking price. LOL.
You guys are off on another planet!
LittleBigMan
08-06-13, 01:43
LBM.
He doesn't understand the concept of disposable income.
MouseNot just the Japanese?
Last night I went out to one of the popular go go, Not much seating but one of the waiter who knew me told me to seat here and I noticed that although there wasn't a bin cup there were drinks and a asktray but no one sitting at the time. After a while a guy came back and pointed he was sitting in the inner part of the booth, I let him back in. As soon as he sat down one of the girls came up and sat down next to him. I've seen this girl many of times not a great looker but nice body and legs after a while. Sudden she gets up I move slightly to let her out and the guy says to her in English "5700 Baht" she says yes. As she left I could see him talking to a friend in the front and then counting out his money before the mamasan came with the actual bill. The transaction was one that required the guy to pay the barine and tip for the girl before the actual service.
The guy was around late 40's and a American, I hope the 5000 baht for LT was worth it?
LBM
Wolvenvacht
08-06-13, 06:41
The guy was around late 40's and a American, I hope the 5000 baht for LT was worth it?
LBMI hope it was LT and not ST. :D
I can see a Ippun newbie looking at the price list st 2. 5 k and lt 4. 5 and saying to the girl I really would enjoy paying double your asking price. LOL.
You guys are off on another planet!Which bars in Pattaya have a physical price list for ST / LT as opposed to verbal communication? The Japanese don't look at a price list just like the rest of us don't. The girls know Japanese customers are easier to over charge than Western customers are and the last time you were in Pattaya was?
Regards,
BJ
LittleBigMan
08-06-13, 09:23
I hope it was LT and not ST. :DYea, it was because I was there for hours, throwing 100 bahts around, basket of ping pong everywhere every hour on the hour. Buying drinks for the ladies as they came and went? Couldn't keep track but I never saw her the rest of the evening? Then I woke up and it was all a dream thought I was Japanese for a while.
LBM
CorporateMalaya
08-06-13, 14:01
Random shots from Walking Street, love the atmosphere.
CorporateMalaya
08-06-13, 14:20
You see them hustling customers, giving out flyers. Some of them are quite characters. Wish the ones in Baccara and Happy smiled a bit more.
Didn't judge all blokes by the color of their skin and demand ridiculous membership fees which are less than an hours wages for us.
Anyways, that's our mutual loss.
Here is a selection of some of the ones that do small and do small talk.
CorporateMalaya
08-06-13, 14:23
Some more interesting shots.
i have my flight out tomorrow (btw, bus price to airport has doubled: bt. 250) and did the usual, but last visit at ws pub around 12:30 am.
usual faces to seen, the tall stunner is still around sometime, and seem approachable; good luck with that. then there is "short air nice ass", also tallish, but i have reason to believe she's a biatch, and i never seen her with a customer.
anyway i focused on the ones sized right for me (small) of which there is always less and less. did not see "dark blonde supercutie", and that was probably good. i wanted to be sure i would not take home another useless body, so i was careful in my interview. as i approach the first that looked better than you know what, i got mixed signals."1000 ok?". "ok st". "st i come 2 times ok?". "ok 1 hour 20 minutes (wtf?)". "do you like to fuck, have feelings or not?". "nitnoi (means a little)". that was light bs, but enough to skip to the next, exactly 2 steps away at another table. there i did not negotiated the pops to be had for 1k, but the package looked right, ass grinding correctly performed, kinda got good vibes, so off we went.
she was drunkish, yet totally alert. wearing stiletto shoes two sizes too big, it was painful to just look at her stumbling around. with a bit of insistence i had her remove them, for which she said that no man had done that before. it seemed like a romantic dream coming true right in the middle of walking street.
the bike ride was encouraging with her sofly tonguing the back of my neck. "i like people that smells good". "me too". "what perfume is this?" "peng (means expensive) water". laughs.
in the room all starts ok, her body is as good as her isaan class can deliver, she shows a good will with a straight out-of-the-pants sloppy bj. as she spits on my cock i have the intuition, supported by the thai-british accent that she had a formal ladybar career, a fact she confirms.
some good shagging follows, dfk, nothing exceptional allowed, but it worked out good enough for my purposes (missed visit from lover). after a ball recharging rest, the issue of a 2nd pop comes up. her prosecution line for not allowing it: "all customers get the same treatment". i don't remember which exact words she used but it was like listening to a speech about fairness in prostitution. i had my arguments too, "all lady (never use plurals when in thailand) take 1000 lt", and "i did good for you, now show me you good too, then after i good more".
she retreated for the decision in her alcoholic mental chamber, laid back a little, visited the bathroom for a quick throw up, and generally acted like it could go my way. but it did not, her words were, and i joke you not, "ladybar never loose".
i acted all cool (jay ien ien) as any gentleman should do in most occasions. no numbers were exchanged, just as well no major body fluids. she takes the door without taxi money; i take to the thinkpad (famous chinese laptop brand) to make hobby money for tomorrow.
In March 2013 the pricing at Happy AGoGo Group establishments (including Happy GoGo) was pretty standard: BF 700. ST 2000 & LT 3000. There are some go-gos with exorbitant pricing (BF 1500 before midnight & 1000 after midnight) with the ladies quoting ridiculous ST / LT prices: Walking Street: Sensations, What's Up. LK Metro: Lady LoveKudos to Mr. Spg for this informative report. Always great to get hard data about the state of the market.
Bunky
CorporateMalaya
08-08-13, 04:48
Came across this fella on beach road, standing right in the middle and snapping away.
Anybody know him?
Tony Hoeprano
08-08-13, 05:33
Came across this fella on beach road, standing right in the middle and snapping away.
Anybody know him?Yeah, that's HotShaneHot
CorporateMalaya
08-08-13, 06:39
fellow users can get details of individual outings through separate posts. thought of penning a compendium of resources which might be helpful to fellow travelers making trips to bkk or pattaya.
pre-travel
budget traveler's can pre-book your transfers through the bell transport company and carry the print out to their desk at level 1, gate no. 8. they have recently hiked up their fares to baht 250 (previously 200). they allow 1 piece luggage with the maximum weight of 20 kg. additional luggage is another 50 baht / piece. booking online will guarantee you a seat on the bus (in case its full) for the time slot you desire and save you a 20 baht. the schedule is 8, 10, 12, 2.4 and 6 pm. these guys are suckers at times and can make you wait for the next bus, so insist and show that you have the booking. being a sole traveler, this option does suit me and i used it for my travel from pattaya to bangkok as well. if you are a group of 3-4 makes more sense getting a taxi reserved, they do the same for around 1200 baht.
http://www.belltravelservice.com/pages/pagehome.aspx
cd's and early morning snacks.
if your hotel doesn't include a breakfast or is a bit far from the nearest 7-11. it makes sense packing some biscuits, snacks or 3 in1 coffee of your liking. this does helpto steady the morning after a night of booze, activities and eating unfamiliar food. else you can pick up something at the shops in level 2 in suvarnabhoomi or near the hotel. i carry my cd's from home to be rationed during the trip, durex and nothing else.
immigration & customs.
even if your passport has visa on arrival, take my advice and get it stamped at your country of origin. saves you time, sweat and the experience sitting between 40 odd blokes belching and yawning, recovering at best from the on-flight binge. just be careful with your cigarette and tobacco limits.
telecom.
if you are lucky you would be getting a happy sim card from their sales team in air bridge on disembarkation. i got one last time but needed a micro sim card for my i-phone. so swapped the free sim at their counter on level 2 for a micro at a small fee with first data unlimited data. load based on your estimate calls and retain the booklet which comes with the sim for shortcuts and codes to get the cheaper rates for international dialing. network was pretty good most places and i used the hotel wi-fi for data when indoors.
pattaya action.
accommodation.
you are spoilt for choice and by price. one question you can ask is the time of the year you are visiting and if you plan to rent a bike. my first trip i stayed near pattayaklang or central pattaya road, which can be roughly taken as the half way mark. after my initial study realising that there is not much of activity apart from rasputin and the drinking street near soi 1 and 2. this area is much greener and spaced out though but the same space can be scary when walking unescorted at night. my second trip shifted somewhere half way between pattaya klang and south pattaya road. this keeps you equidistant to the gogo's on walking street and the beer bars on soi8. and very near to the other action area soi lk metro and soi buakhao. my third trip (based on trip advisor recommendations) landed me a stone's throw from walking street, ideal for late night surveys of the nightclub and late take outs.
action.
as others have mentioned before, patt's is a sexual disneyland. anything and everything goes or is available depending on your taste.
the variables which you need to decide before hand are three with one common result:
what you need (which could be in the confined of your room or could be standing in a bar). variables 1, 2, & 3.
1. how much you are willing to spend,
2. how hard do you want to work for it.
3. what level of looks, physique and age are requisite.
all of these are related, with 1 & 3 most strongly linear. the better the looks, the more you pay.
i will give these choices a rating as well, a, b, c with a being low, b for medium and c for high. let me recommend and list out some of these options available on thebasis of what you need starting out with an example. say you are looking for back door entry, devils den on soi lk metro out-call would be a good choice. the price is reasonable at 2000 baht for 90 mins (mid price) , it's real easy, browse the site, send a mail, rest on your bed till the room bell rings. it's as simple as that (very easy)and the girl if, picked correctly are above average (mid again) and in terms of performance superlative. so we can give it a grading of b, a, b.
let us do another one, back door entry with 2 at a time: results could be devils den again with c, a, b, the cost has gone up a bit as 4000 baht is a lot of money for the average monger to blow in one setting. another choice would be the beach road or coconut bar with a, c, a. as you can see you need work harder, chances of scoring an older gal or one with post pregnancy scarring is high; but you save yourself a good 2, 500 baht. dd can also be recommended for the variety on their menu, things like anal fingering while getting a bbbj or [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118). more of that can be found in my pick- up reports; now let us head for the listing. apologies for the formatting of the table below, my first attempt using indents and spacing. after an hour i gave up why the middle and right spacing comes shifted to the next lines. you will have to just train your eyes to read diagonally instead of a straight line.
desire
place to go
variables (1, 2 and 3)
a levels
devils den
b, a, b
bbbj (on the premises)
[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s, some bars on soi 6
a, a, a
ladyboys (on the premises)
pook bar, soi 6. the girls have arrangements
b, b, b.
ladyboys (takeaway)
pook again, alley behind soi 6 (beware) , wk street, marine disco
b, b, b
two / three some (on site)
devils den
b, a, b
two / three some (room)
beach road
a, b, a
two / three some (room)
beer bars
b, b, b
two / three some (room)
go go's
c, b, c
shows + a* talent
go go's: windmill, xzone, living doll showcase
c, b, b
two / three some (room)
disco's (insomnia, lucifer, marine, mixx)
b, c, a
european fantasy (virtual. inside your head)
galaxy cabaret
b, b, c
european twosome
walking street
b, a, a
soapy massage full service
rasputin, honey, sabai dee, dream teen
b, a, b
boy toys
soi pattayaland
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i am sure, as you gather more experience, the more telephone numbers you collect, the longer you stay, better economies of price do come into play. this holds true for go-go's and freelancers too. i have had freelance pickups who say up to you, now it's all in your luck how much you can get away with. but to be reasonable, do payaccording to the variables below so no party is cheated. this only ensures better performance, exchange of numbers and future sessions of to higher states of ecstasy.
bangkok action
bangkok is pretty spread out and required time and preferably a set of wheels in case you are approaching it with a view of covering all the joints. i have generally find a medium star hotel between soi8 or soi11 which makes nana and soi cowboy a comfortable 10 minute walk each side. i can personally recommend on8 and the ambassador. the place has everything you need, plenty to eat, bars, massage joints, street food and souvenirs. only sad part is it is very crowded and busy. i have never visited patpong, it is still on my plans but it always takes a back seat due to distance and lack of familiarity.
now let us do the same desire, place and variable chart for bkk using the same variables 1, 2, & 3. how much you are willing to spend (1) , how hard do you want to work for it (2) and what level of looks, physique and age (3) , are requisite to fulfil a certain desire.
desire
place to go.
variables (1, 2 and 3)
bbbj (on the premises)
[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s (soi 8) , dr bj (soi 7)
a, a, a
two / three some (on site) with a*
eden club, soi 7
b, a, a
two / three some (room)
beer garden, gullivers, thermae
b, b, b
two / three some (room) africans
soi 4 junction, towards nana bts
a, a, a
ladyboys
nana parking
a, a, b
two / three some (room)
go go's (nana / soi cowboy)
c, b, c
two / three some (room)
disco's (q bar, climax, nana liquid)
c, c, c
european twosome
raja hotel (behind nana parking) , grace h
b, b, b
soapy massage full service
annies, tulip, mango
b, a, b
there are plenty of more places to go, these are provided just for example, personal experience and ease of access. when it comes to smp's,
bkk is the place in the world to be. there are more than 40 places a lot concentrated in the soi's after asoke bts near emporium and ratchadaphisek road.
hope this report is useful and helps you find what you are looking for as per your budget and taste, have fun and stay safe.
TurnipShoe
08-08-13, 07:26
Fellow users can get details of individual outings through separate posts. Thought of penning a compendium of resources which might be helpful to fellow travelers making trips to BKK or Pattaya and stay safe.Now that's what a bloody brilliant report looks like.
Thanks so much for the great effort in putting this up.
I'm reaching Pattaya on the 16th and needed something like this.
Do the freelancers engage in threesomes fully? I've read contradictory reports with most of the times one girl locking herself int he bathroom till the other one is done or something like that?
Streetwalker7
08-08-13, 07:51
The better the looks, the more you pay.What would you pay for a Shnae type of girl? I'm thinking 100 baht, a can of tuna and a snickers bar. Am I spoiling the market. LOL.
Fellow users can get details of individual outings through separate posts. Thought of penning a compendium of resources which might be helpful to fellow travelers making trips to BKK or Pattaya.Great help. Thanks a ton.
CorporateMalaya
08-08-13, 22:14
Now that's what a bloody brilliant report looks like.
Thanks so much for the great effort in putting this up.
I'm reaching Pattaya on the 16th and needed something like this.
Do the freelancers engage in threesomes fully? I've read contradictory reports with most of the times one girl locking herself int he bathroom till the other one is done or something like that?Of the 2 times I have tried, they have been pretty ordinary. With some training and alcohol am sure you could get better results
I'm thinking 100 baht, a can of tuna and a snickers bar.Change it to a Hershey's bar and I think you'll be right on the money SW7.
CorporateMalaya
08-09-13, 06:25
More sights and sounds from WS especially the Fahrenheit and Alcatraz crew who I think have the biggest contingent out on the road. Such a pity they apply the same silly MEMBERS only policy for entry on sober hardworking mongers such as me. Never been inside either of them. Maybe next time I will l start a new trend of ROAD FINING, pulling the help from outside, will be cost effective than bar fining. Some of them are quite cute as you can see.
NeverJerkOff
08-09-13, 17:39
I've been too busy running shit in Bangkok I forgot how awesome this town is. 150 days in Thailand and only 6 in Pattaya is tragic. I may have to extend my 5 days down here. 8pm and 60 girls on Beach Road and I find a couple of petite MILF's up to my standard. 36 from Isan that speaks no English, and 32 from Chonburi. They look to be 25 each. Short time hotel is out of the question and I find out my hotel charges 500 baht for a second girl when the first one is free so we wind up going to the younger one's apartment. Double blowjob and smash them both and blow my coconut water on the older one who I think is hotter. Give them 500 baht each and ask if they are hungry because I am and need to find out some cheaper eating options in this town. The two take me to a spot of Walking Street and pay for my meal while constantly being hit up on their phone by free spending suckers. I ask them their rent because I just might have to move down here if I kill it this week. Yes there are a lot of dogs in this town but they can suck that dummy dick because I see a lot of opportunity too. The youngest pays 4000 and the oldest pays 6000 and asked me to move in with her. No way and don't even want their numbers but really sweet girls and a nice rendezvous after a stretch of young bad service, bad chemistry hotties. Want to hit up the club now for a more proper piece but don't too damn tired. As they say, tomorrow is another day.
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