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That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street. Everything has been worked out though. It did cost (what to me is) a substantial sum of money. And thanks to other expats who put some money up he was able to get out of it. It pays to have friends. Be careful out there gentlemen.It could have turned out a lot worse. We read about punters getting spiked to death around here frequently. When I first read the article and saw his picture I couldn't imagine why he would do what he did and my first thought was here we go again, American tourists in Pattaya acting badly. Embarrassing to say the least for the poor fellow. It didn't occur to me that it wasn't his fault. I'm glad he was able to convince the police that he was the victim. If I were him I'd be paranoid about this place and all Pattaya hookers from now on.
When you find out the whole story I hope you will share it with us as we could all use the lesson.
Ipanema Carioca
09-06-13, 05:16
That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street. Everything has been worked out though. It did cost (what to me is) a substantial sum of money. And thanks to other expats who put some money up he was able to get out of it. It pays to have friends. Be careful out there gentlemen.Here is the girl who drugged him!
https://www.facebook.com/loveyou.meloveyou?fref=ts
Here are some more photos of the hoe! She calls herself Strong Classic.
NeverJerkOff
09-06-13, 05:53
That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street. Everything has been worked out though. It did cost (what to me is) a substantial sum of money. And thanks to other expats who put some money up he was able to get out of it. It pays to have friends. Be careful out there gentlemen.Seems like a fucking retard. Shirtless, flexing, looking for attention. A couple months ago I put on 10-15 pounds of muscle and noticed random Thai guys sizing me up, almost contemplating something bad for me. I have since tried to slim down, look more civilized. Not only do most Thai girls like it better but it deters any unwanted attention. On the other hand this crazy dysfunctional mixture of characters is what makes Pattaya so beautiful but I find the girls there and in Phuket to be grimier and am not surprised.
Following the to pay or not debate here. I just had a disco freebie. Works at furniture store but goes home with many of white men from the discos. Stayed at her place the next day. She fed me, spoiled the shit out of me. Good bye time and she had a grumpy face. I did not pay. She emails me next day, nice to meet you. Everything good but I can't help feeling bad. I email her, you mad I did not pay you? She kind of says it's ok but is quick to say how much she needs money and throws out her bank account after I use the aweful line if you ever really need money I would give to you but I think you will be good. Going back and forth here whether to send her money for the night. Fuck, I wish I was a bigger dick. Pretty soon, I am going to start feeling bad for these girls and just take them to dinner. Joke, that's insanity. Will be paying for pussy until I collapse.
Here is the girl who drugged him!
https://www.facebook.com/loveyou.meloveyou?fref=ts
Here are some more photos of the hoe! She calls herself Strong Classic.What makes you say she is the one? I see someone already asked her on Facebook if she did it.
I've never read a story where a guy was drugged randomly. Usually, it's by a freelancer in his room from a drink she pulls from the minibar.
I did read once of a girl from a beer bar doing it, then she disappeared the next day.
Ipanema Carioca
09-06-13, 08:21
What makes you say she is the one? I see someone already asked her on Facebook if she did it.
I've never read a story where a guy was drugged randomly. Usually, it's by a freelancer in his room from a drink she pulls from the minibar.
I did read once of a girl from a beer bar doing it, then she disappeared the next day.Why don't you date her and find out?
That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street. Everything has been worked out though. It did cost (what to me is) a substantial sum of money. And thanks to other expats who put some money up he was able to get out of it. It pays to have friends. Be careful out there gentlemen.Maybe he "blacked out", which can be caused by beer, drugs, medicines or any food or drink. Therefore it does not require that someone else "spiked him". Maybe he spiked himself. BTW he certainly looks like a candidate for steroid use.
"A blackout is a phenomenon caused by the intake of any substance or medication in which long term memory creation is impaired, therefore causing a complete inability to recall the past. Blackouts can be caused by any substance, but are most frequently associated with GABAergic drugs. Blackouts are frequently described as having effects similar to that of anterograde amnesia, in which the subject cannot recall any events after the event that caused amnesia. 'Blacking out' is not to be confused with the mutually exclusive act of 'passing out', which means loss of consciousness."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_
A second possibility would be anterograde amnesia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterograde_amnesia
The third thing concievable is sleep walking like in the comedy movie Step Brothers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleepwalking
None of the 3 require that a Thai person spiked him. Where is the evidence of that? Maybe it was the Russian guy at the 7-11 who exposed his joystick.
LittleBigMan
09-06-13, 15:25
Hey what you guys talking about? Did I fall asleep or get drug or something what happen to the the wingman?
LBM
Ipanema Carioca
09-06-13, 20:25
maybe he "blacked out", which can be caused by beer, drugs, medicines or any food or drink. therefore it does not require that someone else "spiked him". maybe he spiked himself. btw he certainly looks like a candidate for steroid use.typical simps, protecting a working girl. if you read the thai news reports on this, even the police said he was unknowingly drugged! do you're homework before you go out of your way to save a hoe.
"pdn reports that when police finally arrested the naked guy his "speech was blurry and it seemed like he was drunk." according to pattaya one, however, police suggested that the black nudist, who had been seen coming naked out of the nearby vc hotel earlier, was "under the influence of some form of narcotic which may have been administered [to him] without his knowledge inside a hotel room."
there are no potential wingmen on this board!
typical simps, protecting a working girl. if you read the thai news reports on this, even the police said he was unknowingly drugged! do you're homework before you go out of your way to save a hoe.
"pdn reports that when police finally arrested the naked guy his "speech was blurry and it seemed like he was drunk." according to pattaya one, however, police suggested that the black nudist, who had been seen coming naked out of the nearby vc hotel earlier, was "under the influence of some form of narcotic which may have been administered [to him] without his knowledge inside a hotel room."
there are no potential wingmen on this board!is there a source for the alleged quote? it, btw, does not state what you describe.
is there any evidence the guy with a "working girl" of thailand before he blacked out?
if he was with such a girl did he commit a rookie mistake with her to get himself drugged by her? highly probable.
Mr Enternational
09-07-13, 03:11
Maybe he "blacked out", which can be caused by beer, drugs, medicines or any food or drink. Therefore it does not require that someone else "spiked him". Maybe he spiked himself. BTW he certainly looks like a candidate for steroid use.Classic Pink Pearl. The king of speculation. I guess he spiked himself right before he took himself to a hotel room off Walking Street (never mind that he never lodges anywhere near Walking Street the 6+ times/year that he is in Pattaya) and robbed himself huh? Steroids? This man is a war veteran and goes to the gym every damn day. You remind me of the dumb asses on Thai Visa who always seem to post a comment right after reading the headline and without ever reading the article. Keep trolling dude.
Classic Pink Pearl. I guess he spiked himself right before he took himself to a hotel room and robbed himself huh? Steroids? This man is a war veteran and goes to the gym every damn day. You remind me of the dumb asses on Thai Visa who always seem to post a comment right after reading the headline and without ever reading the article. Keep trolling dude.I am reading what you said & this stuff about a hotel room & being robbed is new. Was he unconscious at the time he was robbed? Was he on a session with a working girl? What was he doing at the hotel? Did he commit a rookie mistake to get himself spiked? Since he blacked out and can't remember what happened, could he have also forgotten that he took drugged food or drink from a working girl, or licked her breasts or the like? Yes. Normally people who are spiked are rendered unconscious & then robbed, not wandering all over town butt naked abducting people & then claiming amnesia later. And, again, a person can experience such a blackout or amnesia without being spiked by another person, Thai or other nationality.
Crocodilexp
09-07-13, 06:37
after bath she was asking me for the 1. 5 K upfront. she told she want to go by 6 am in the morning. She told Oral & Fuck will be with Condom only. yelling at me she want to go back with 1. 5 KSounds like she was testing you for softness from the very beginning. Sometimes a session just goes without bad intent, but in this case it seems like she was deliberately out to scam you.
These days I'm quick to cancel the deal before it's consummated if any of the fundamentals are questioned early on. One strike I usually gloss over (as long as the girl is conciliatory and has a generally good vibe) , but two strikes (upfront fee, asking to go back early) or especially and it should be a quick cancellation with maybe a 200 baht parting fee. In other words, you could have seen it coming.
Once a conflict arises, don't get other Thais involved, it won't go in your favor. If the situation is adversarial, your goal is to kick her out of the door with minimal payment. Negotiate with all your clothes on (and insist on her being dressed too). Start out very low. If you offer 500 baht and stick with that for a while, then when you pay her 1000 she'll think she WON 500 instead of losing the same amount down from 1500. As long as she's paid _something_ semi-reasonable (even just 500 baht for the half of the ST) , once she's out of your room the chance of her calling someone to escalate it further is very small. Of course, if she's high on drugs, no way of predicting.
Giving her 1500 for nothing might have been a good idea once the thing escalated (with the receptionist and motorcycle guys). But in the long term it will only serve to encourage her to do this again to the next guy.
Ipanema Carioca
09-07-13, 08:05
Is there a source for the alleged quote? It, BTW, does not state what you describe.
Is there any evidence the guy with a "working girl" of Thailand before he blacked out?
If he was with such a girl did he commit a rookie mistake with her to get himself drugged by her? Highly probable.Http://www.pattaya-funtown.com/news.html
Police were called to a 24 hour convenience store in South Pattaya in the early hours of Thursday following reports of a naked foreign man who had taken a Thai Woman hostage.
Officers arrived at the branch of 7-Eleven on the Pratamnuk Road close to the VC Hotel, and managed to detain the man, who called himself Ken from America. He refused to give his full name or age.
Also at the scene was Khun Sirirat aged 38 who works as a cashier at a Walking Street Bar. She told Police that she was on her way home when she came across the American who appeared in a confused state and was naked.
She approached him to offer assistance when she was grabbed around the neck and dragged inside the shop where she was held hostage for a time. She attempted to release herself from his grip and was punched in the mouth causing her to lose a front tooth.
Khun Sirirat later joined the American at Pattaya Police Station where Police decided to lock him up until later in the morning. Police suspect he was under the influence of some form of narcotic which may have been administered without his knowledge inside a Hotel room. They think he then made his way out onto the street where the incident involving the cashier occurred.
The investigation will continue later on Thursday.
- See more at: http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/101533/naked-american-assaults-bar-cashier-south-pattaya-convenience-store/#sthash.C2MStVlD.dpuf
Does it put the beach and sun out all together or will I be able to still get sun inbetween the rain? Any thoughts on hotel in middle of everything thats girl frendly / thanks for your help.You will be able to hang on the beach and get sun. The rain usually doesn't last a long time. Keep in mind the sea at Pattaya is very polluted. Hotel choices are many at every budget level. The is a separate Pattaya hotel thread you should check out. Sea Me Spring and LK The Empress are two good hotels across the street from the beach. There is also a Marriot, Hard Rock, and Holiday Inn on Beach Road. I would recommend staying away from the USA chain hotels as they are overpriced / unnecessary in Pattaya. Too many good alternatives are available.
Then the girl changed her tone and yelling at me she want to go back with 1. 5 K. I resisted and agreed top pay 1 K. But she really wanted 1. 5 which I rejected. She threaten me by calling their people. I went down to the lobby but the guy at reception asked me to give money (I think he know her, because when she was handing over her I'd he refused to show it to me). When we were talking at lobby, two of the Motorbikes came and supported her. Finally I had no way so I paid the full amount.Sounds like your Hotel was in on the scam, if it was one. You should change Hotels. On the other hand I can understand her being angry if you were fucking her for 5 to 10 secs with a broken condom. Mostly guys should know when it feels a little bit too good, unless you are just about to cum (which is highly distracting).
When the whole thing got nasty, I would suggest paying the whole 1. 5K to get the thing over with. 500 Baht is not much to get a bad experience over with. If things got a hell of a lot worse than that, you could try calling the tourist police. Tourist police are intended to protect foreign tourists from being ripped off, but I know how far it extends to sex deals.
I agree with others, that in most cases girls that wish to be paid up front cannot be trusted to follow a deal to the full letter of that deal. Girls will rip you off time and time again. So in my view never pay upfront for private arrangements. I have been ripped off plenty of times over many years, so know that you need to know the personality of a girl very well before you rely on her to do what she says she is going to do. LOL.
Lastly, I advice not to take free lancer girls that do not work for any particular establishment. Its more risky.
That is a wingman of mine. We travel the world together. He doesn't do drugs and really only drinks beer. Someone spiked him. The last thing he remembers is jumping on the baht bus to go to Walking Street. Everything has been worked out though. It did cost (what to me is) a substantial sum of money. And thanks to other expats who put some money up he was able to get out of it. It pays to have friends. Be careful out there gentlemen.Yes I can see that someone spiked him. It is not clear what substances make a person behave so badly. I suppose it is like how alcohol makes some people violent but magnified several times. I think he is lucky to get out of this.
For most of us, its very hard to imagine how we could behave like what was reported. Definitely nightmare stuff.
Is Pattaya becoming a risky place or we just hearing about the very worst things?
Pointy Stick
09-08-13, 16:31
Sure the extra 500 baht is worth the grief if someone was trying to rip you off. Where would it end? The line has to be drawn somewhere. And a guy like me can eat 2 days on 500 baht. I don't know how good the original poster is at lying and / or being confident, but he could have just as well said that he agreed to 1000 which he was giving her, but she is trying to raise the price. It would have been his word against hers. And 1000 baht is no small sum of money. Somebody would have convinced her to take the 1000 and move on.I'd pay 500 baht not to have the shit beaten out of me by a couple of motorcycle guys. It's not like we're dealing with normal Thais but criminals, lowlifes and drug addicts. My priority is to holiday uninjured.
Yes I can see that someone spiked him. It is not clear what substances make a person behave so badly. I suppose it is like how alcohol makes some people violent but magnified several times. I think he is lucky to get out of this.
For most of us, its very hard to imagine how we could behave like what was reported. Definitely nightmare stuff.
Is Pattaya becoming a risky place or we just hearing about the very worst things?I'm curious what drug was used as well. There were two very similar incidents recently, one American, and one Russian (I believe). Both guys were naked. This makes me believe they were drugged while in their rooms with a girl.
Other suspected cases of guys being drugged, usually end up with the guy sleeping. It makes me wonder if these guys are being given zolpidem (Ambien / Stilnox). In combination with alcohol, they can have this effect on people. There have been cases where people drink on a plane, take an Ambien to sleep, then wake up in hand cuffs not knowing what went down.
So it's possible, the girls are trying to make the guys sleep so they can rob them, but then have to deal with the unexpected "sleep walking" side effects and get the hell out of Dodge.
Mr Enternational
09-08-13, 17:51
I'm curious what drug was used as well. There were two very similar incidents recently, one American, and one Russian (I believe). Both guys were naked. This makes me believe they were drugged while in their rooms with a girl.
Other suspected cases of guys being drugged, usually end up with the guy sleeping. It makes me wonder if these guys are being given zolpidem (Ambien / Stilnox). In combination with alcohol, they can have this effect on people. There have been cases where people drink on a plane, take an Ambien to sleep, then wake up in hand cuffs not knowing what went down.
So it's possible, the girls are trying to make the guys sleep so they can rob them, but then have to deal with the unexpected "sleep walking" side effects and get the hell out of Dodge.He said whatever it was made him very hot. And that is why his clothes were off. AFTER being drugged he was taken to a hotel room and robbed. It wasn't that he was going short time with anyone. He doesn't even do short time, so if he was taking someone then it would have been back to his own room.
Slackerslacker
09-08-13, 21:10
this isn't about pussy, but might be of interest to some of you. this is what i saw this morning:
about 9 am i was cruising along 2nd road on my motorbike going 40-45 kph. not much traffic, mostly baht buses. i was on the far right as i was intending to turn right onto soi diana shortly.
a farang came tearing past me (squeezing between me and a baht bus, we just happened to be side by side at that time). the farang appeared to be going at full throttle, so he was probably going at least 80 kph.
once he got in front of me, it was wide open, no traffic, just him and the open road. i had the thought,"someday, that guy is going to pay a heavy price for that kind of driving". i watched as he continued on. when he was about 50 meters away from me, in an instant (i didn't even see the transition) his bike was horizontal and he was sliding along the road on his front side.
he had good sliding technique, on the palms of his hands, his forearms, elbows, and knees. the last 25% of his slide was actually a tumbling as he came to a stop.
fortunately, he hit no solid objects (parked cars, etc.) , so there was no danger of him suffering impact trauma.
unfortunately, he had no protection, so almost all his deceleration came from skin friction.
by the time i got to the scene, he was already standing up with the skin on all the body parts i listed above, now ground down to the bloody layer.
so he stood there with blood running down his arms from elbow to fingertip, and blood running down his legs. in a minute he had a pretty good puddle under himself.
my first impulse was to go up to him and ask him what did he expect to happen driving like that? but, i figured he was getting an instant graduate degree from the school of hard knocks, so there was no point in my offering any comments. an older farang seemed to be willing to take care of the guy, so i went about my business.
what happened? i'm guessing he hit some irregularity in the road, either a bump or a hole and at his high speed, it didn't take much for that wobble to exacerbate it a full splat.
i'm just relieved that he didn't hurt anyone else with his recklessness (he came close to taking me out).
I'd pay 500 baht not to have the shit beaten out of me by a couple of motorcycle guys. It's not like we're dealing with normal Thais but criminals, lowlifes and drug addicts. My priority is to holiday uninjured.Have you ever heard that such a thing happened in context of a situation Gajith described? I think we shouldn't lose common sense.
i'm just relieved that he didn't hurt anyone else with his recklessness (he came close to taking me out).reckless driving is the norm here, there were three motor bike fatalities in the past two weeks. someone recommended more traffic lights, some crosswalks and speed bumbs on some of the busier streets to slow down the speed demons but it will probably only happen after someone important is killed. mix foot traffic in with the baht bus, mb racers and driver's who yield for no one, its a wonder there's not more fatal accidents.
http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/101655/pregnant-motorbike-driver-killed-jomtien-road-crash/
http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/101385/motorbike-taxi-driver-killed-early-morning-road-crash-south-pattaya/
http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/100111/motorbike-driver-dies-high-impact-crash-central-pattaya/
LittleBigMan
09-09-13, 02:07
reckless driving is the norm here, there were three motor bike fatalities in the past two weeks. someone recommended more traffic lights, some crosswalks and speed bumbs on some of the busier streets to slow down the speed demons but it will probably only happen after someone important is killed. mix foot traffic in with the baht bus, mb racers and driver's who yield for no one, its a wonder there's not more fatal accidents.
http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/101655/pregnant-motorbike-driver-killed-jomtien-road-crash/
http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/101385/motorbike-taxi-driver-killed-early-morning-road-crash-south-pattaya/
http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-news/100111/motorbike-driver-dies-high-impact-crash-central-pattaya/nothing will ever change regarding this because the leaders of this government do not see anything wrong with what they are doing regarding driving. sure they see it on paper and from time to time get hype up on some compaign to do something but once the compaign is over they themselves go about doing what you see everyday on the streets or soi. a big example are the police who go back to the station and then go home without their helmets. wait outside the government office in pattaya on pattaya nau, the ems center in banglamung, schools, hospital who has the greatest interest in teaching and setting a example they all break the rules, take that to a higher level in government. i carry a license and nearly every endorsement including training commercial license and i can give 10 thai government official a driving test based on their own driver handbook and i will fail each one based on their own handbook.
thais are not alone i see farangs too driving reckless too, the biggest fools are the one who rent the big bikes and fly up and down from marine down 2nd road. and the biggest loser recently a few months ago was the farang who flew to heaven after he got cut in half on his big bike going down theappaya 120 plus km / h. basic commerical driver moto " if you put yourself in a position for something to happen it most like will happen ".
lbm
Pointy Stick
09-09-13, 02:52
Have you ever heard that such a thing happened in context of a situation Gajith described? I think we shouldn't lose common sense.To me common sense would dictate that it would be sensible not to escalate the situation over such a petty amount of money. Who knows how far it could have gone. I've never been in such a situation but I have seen thais become suddenly violent over nothing so my reaction is based on their propensity for sudden violence. I'm also in my late 30s so I have lost any inclination to engage in violence over what is 'right' because life is too short to be dealing with cunts.
Slackerslacker
09-09-13, 03:11
Thais are not alone I see farangs too driving reckless too, the biggest fools are the one who rent the big bikes and fly up and down from Marine down 2nd road. And the biggest loser recently a few months ago was the farang who flew to heaven after he got cut in half on his big bike going down Theappaya 120 plus Km / H. Basic commerical driver moto " if you put yourself in a position for something to happen it most like will happen ".
LBMThat was the point of my post. This was an entirely self-imposed accident by a farang. Nothing to do with the general chaos or other dangerous driving conditions which can exist on Thai roads.
LittleBigMan
09-09-13, 06:18
That was the point of my post. This was an entirely self-imposed accident by a farang. Nothing to do with the general chaos or other dangerous driving conditions which can exist on Thai roads.I got your point maybe I didn't put it in the proper manner. As for Thais from my experience they just don't know any better as for Farangs they should know better.
LBM
Wolvenvacht
09-09-13, 07:02
Nothing will ever change regarding this because the leaders of this government do not see anything wrong with what they are doing regarding driving. Sure they see it on paper and from time to time get hype up on some compaign to do something but once the compaign is over they themselves go about doing what you see everyday on the streets or Soi.A hilarious video on Youtube about the "new" (in 2010) pedestrian traffic lights in Pattaya: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsptD_9_kbE
Take care when crossing the streets and don't trust the traffic lights for one second.
NeverJerkOff
09-09-13, 09:53
He said whatever it was made him very hot. And that is why his clothes were off. AFTER being drugged he was taken to a hotel room and robbed. It wasn't that he was going short time with anyone. He doesn't even do short time, so if he was taking someone then it would have been back to his own room.Maybe yaba pill like the USA marine at 31:50? A classic episode and classic series, must watch for tourists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVryRNY6vrA
Still think this is something that can be avoided with some sense and charm.
He said whatever it was made him very hot. And that is why his clothes were off. AFTER being drugged he was taken to a hotel room and robbed. It wasn't that he was going short time with anyone. He doesn't even do short time, so if he was taking someone then it would have been back to his own room.Last thing he remembers, you said, was being on the bus. How does someone drug him there? How would he not remember someone jabbing a needle in him, if that's what happened. Maybe the combination of Pattaya air pollution & bus exhaust fumes made him pass out. Or some other substances he took himself. Hopefully the police took fluids from him to test for drugs. If none are found the guy should see some specialists re what medical condition he has.
He said whatever it was made him very hot. And that is why his clothes were off.He was clearly "hot". As in kidnapping the Thai lady & assaulting her, punching her in the face & knocking out her tooth. How does he explain that away?
When did he realize he was hot, when he regained consciousness in the hotel room? Then he takes off his clothes to get cooler, but runs out in his birthday suit into the Pattaya heat? Why not go to an air conditioned place or take a cold shower? Not that people wear that many clothes in Pattaya anyway. It's not exactly winter in Moscow.
But didn't you say he has no memory of any of this?
This has to be one of the strangest stories I've ever heard. Welcome to the Thailightzone.
LittleBigMan
09-09-13, 14:44
A hilarious video on Youtube about the "new" (in 2010) pedestrian traffic lights in Pattaya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsptD_9_kbE
Take care when crossing the streets and don't trust the traffic lights for one second.This is old news and have been written about in all the local papers since they installed the lights two years ago. The cost to the city 125, 000, 000 baht. People told them don't do it but like everything they do it anyway. Once the lights came on no one stopped and those who did stop had a car or bike run up their backside. They they provided for a month or so traffic cops to teach the drivers that they must stop. After they left it was back to same old same old and it didn't take long for the tourist or anyone with a light in their head this was crazy. Push the button for what crossing thinking you had the right of way was basically suicide! Now barely anyone uses them including the BIB nor do they enforce it. You have a checkpoint on Beach road on Soi 9 and there is a light yet no citations or stops but if you are a farang with helmet or no helmet be prepare to be stop.
LBM
While we're on the topic of men being drugged in Pattaya, here's a story of two more men who claimed they were drugged and robbed by Thai massage girls.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/368818/elderly-foreigners-robbed-by-pattaya-massage-girls
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Two elderly foreigners, one British and one Italian, say they were robbed in Pattaya by massage women they picked up on the first day of a visit to one of Thailand's most popular tourist destinations.
Salvatore Mancuso. 61, a British national who said he was a journalist, and his Italian friend Dolece Sraldo. 63, told police they arrived Thailand and went directly to stay in an apartment in Central Pattaya.
That night they went out and were approached by two Thai women offering massage services, who they took back to their room. Both said they drank a beverage the women gave them and passed out.
They woke up the next evening and said their rooms had been ransacked and possessions stolen.
Mr Mancuso said his camera and accessories, a watch and around £4, 000 and £5, 000 was missing, while the Italian man reported losing his watch and around US$300. The total value of the stolen property was about 600, 000 baht, they told police.
Pol Lt Kwanchai Numkanisorn, a case officer at Pattaya police station, said Monday that police will examine CCTV footage around the area to identify and find the robbers
SirWilliam4
09-09-13, 19:20
While we're on the topic of men being drugged in Pattaya, here's a story of two more men who claimed they were drugged and robbed by Thai massage girls.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/368818/elderly-foreigners-robbed-by-pattaya-massage-girls
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Two elderly foreigners, one British and one Italian, say they were robbed in Pattaya by massage women they picked up on the first day of a visit to one of Thailand's most popular tourist destinations.What I really object to in this report is that two men (ages 61 and 63) were labeled "elderly". I always figured that "elderly" happened sometime after 80 or 85! LOL!
And, yes, crappy situation also -- happening to these "gentlemen"
Ipanema Carioca
09-09-13, 20:54
He was clearly "hot". As in kidnapping the Thai lady & assaulting her, punching her in the face & knocking out her tooth. How does he explain that away?
When did he realize he was hot, when he regained consciousness in the hotel room? Then he takes off his clothes to get cooler, but runs out in his birthday suit into the Pattaya heat? Why not go to an air conditioned place or take a cold shower? Not that people wear that many clothes in Pattaya anyway. It's not exactly winter in Moscow.
But didn't you say he has no memory of any of this?
This has to be one of the strangest stories I've ever heard. Welcome to the Thailightzone.Hey Mr Enternational, I would ever respond to this! As for PinkPearl, I would consider him out of this topic.
sad sight on a recent visit - the beach promenade is scarcely any wider than a hotel hallway now, and the beach road itself is now three lanes wide. there are also no benches on the promenade anymore. the net result is it is that much more difficult for the girls to ply their trade there, and the whole beach effect is much uglier and less appealing. worst of all, it is more hazardous than ever to cross the road (now nearly a highway, with speeds increasing to match).
Member #4698
09-09-13, 21:33
Sad sight on a recent visit - the beach promenade is scarcely any wider than a hotel hallway now, and the Beach Road itself is now three lanes wide.What were the city planners thinking? The beach promenade was one of the best features of resort Pattaya. I always enjoyed walking its length enjoying the scenery and the human comedy. The town is that much uglier now that it is gone, but it will not make any difference to the ignorant cheap tourists that are now flocking to Pattaya in droves. What a cluster fuck!
sad sight on a recent visit - the beach promenade is scarcely any wider than a hotel hallway now, and the beach road itself is now three lanes wide. there are also no benches on the promenade anymore. the net result is it is that much more difficult for the girls to ply their trade there, and the whole beach effect is much uglier and less appealing. worst of all, it is more hazardous than ever to cross the road (now nearly a highway, with speeds increasing to match).with the exception that it will be slightly more difficult to cross the road with one additional lane, i must be one of the few that don't give a damn about this. i've been there both before and during rebuild with much of the area complete and don't see any big deal at all. scarcely wider than a hotel hallway is a gross exaggeration. in fact with the trees removed, i think the walkable space is actually wider than before. also the mostly even pavers make it easier to walk compared with constantly having to be on the lookout for ankle twisters. i do concede that the pavers will eventually become uneven as they did not build and compact a proper foundation for them.
i've come to the conclusion that people are mostly change averse and don't like it simply because it is different. in another ten years when they make the next change, people will complain about the changes then as well.
LittleBigMan
09-10-13, 02:50
Hey Mr Enternational, I would ever respond to this! As for PinkPearl, I would consider him out of this topic.I wonder if you ever have been around drugs and if not you are lucky? This is what drugs like this do to you? In the 60"S you had LSD, people jumping off buildings thinking they can fly?
I lost several friends in the early 70"s, and nearly a brother who went camping in Lake Tahoe, they were all on drugs mostly acid partying up while everyone was sleeping one friend loaded up a automatic weapon and started shooting his buddies and then decided to go swimming in the lake drowning himself. The few that survived didn't remember anything?
Sorry quoted the wrong post should have been quoting PP.
LBM
In one evening, I found myself alone because of my GF went to her home. It was suppose to be feeling myself lucky and it was Pattaya. But surprisingly I found myself unwilling to hunt around to come out from my loneliness. Just to be in myself was walking alone through the 2nd road after my dinner. Certainly a thin girl with her motorbike braked in front of me and offering massage service. Just made me curious and asked how much it will be. She replied 300bht including fucking. What a shit! I jumped off from her and asked to leave me alone.
300bht for FS! No way. If we like to dive in any scam, we may try for anything unusual.
Member #4698
09-10-13, 04:01
In the 60"S you had LSD, people jumping off buildings thinking they can fly?Really? That LSD flying off buildings thing is such a 60's cliché. I remember WindowPane. I went to see the Jefferson Airplane and Quicksilver Messenger on Windowpane. Had a great time. I am sure a few idiots went that way, but statistically they were a misc colorful footnote in annals of drug history.
The major cause of death back then was from intravenous drug overdose of Meth, Heroin or Heroin/Cocaine combos. You could get prescriptions for Meth Amphetamine back in the 60's and pick the shit up at Walgreens.
Most of the drug related deaths that I personally know of came from getting stoned on Heroin, Ludes, and or Booze and getting behind the wheel of a car. Luckily, I escaped relatively unharmed from a few of those kinds of situations where friends were driving. One head on, which was totally my friend's fault broke my nose. In another accident, another friend passed out at the wheel and drove his Ford Van off the road and down a 30 ft gulch in remote Guatemala. Miraculously we all walked away from that one although the half English / half Venezuela girl we were travelling with had a few head lacerations from being thrown through the front windshield of the van. Ah those were the days! Drugs, sex, adventure, stupidity and great music. No Internet, no condoms, and no HIV. I never paid for sex back then and I got laid a lot in Costa Rica and Colombia.
That's the 60's and 70's I remember.
Paul Kausch
09-10-13, 04:51
really? that lsd flying off buildings thing is such a 60's cliché. i remember windowpane. i went to see the jefferson airplane and quicksilver messenger on windowpane. had a great time. i am sure a few idiots went that way, but statistically they were a misc colorful footnote in annals of drug history.
ah those were the days! drugs, sex, adventure, stupidity and great music. no internet, no condoms, and no hiv. i never paid for sex back then and i got laid a lot in costa rica and colombia.
that's the 60's and 70's i remember.we must be close to the same age and your recollections are consistent with mine. you could get a hold of some bad acid and get sick. i personally neither knew nor heard of anyone dying from it. like you say the danger was getting a hopped up batch of heroin, mixing booze and barbiturates, and as we used to say, speed killed. marijuana was by far the most frequently used drug, and what was available then was much, much weaker than the stuff that's been sold the past couple of decades. most of us didn't even know that the female plants had more resin, hence more thc. oh ya, shrooms were silly fun.
do you remember the mazola oil parties? they were fun.
ah yes, i remember those days, but not all of them sequentially. ha ha
Mr Enternational
09-10-13, 05:07
Here is an email from today:
Yeah. I was down here with him. He was drugged by someone. He said he remembers seeing some strange looking people on the baht bus. One of them touches him. He pulls away and jumps off the bus and starts running. He doesn't know why he was running but he said he felt some people was chasing him. So he just kept running down Walking Street in Pattaya. He ran all the way down, got exhausted and took off all his clothes. Then went into a rage when a woman tried to help. Allegedly punched her and knocked out a tooth. Somewhere in between all that he allegedly made some damage in a hotel lobby. He was arrested, hit with a taser gun and taken to jail. We all pitched in and got bail for him. The toothless woman wanted 50, 000 baht. The hotel wanted 20, 000 baht. Now get this. No one ever saw damage to the hotel or security video. The woman never showed up at the jail to pick up her money. We did make them give us a receipt explaining everything was paid off from further mess coming up. But all he really remembers is that someone grabbed his arm, he jumping off the bus and running, then stripping. He remembers being tasered and put on the back of a truck to go to jail. Then he remembers gathering conscious inside a jail cell with only a towel on. While all this was going on, we was at a club waiting for him to show. We never knew all that went on until the next morning. Someone told us that there is a drug that they can rub on you and it will get into your system.
I'm trying to figure out what drug could cause this. I found Scopolamine. The wiki page even says it is used in Thailand, but there is no citation.
Does he remember if he was sweating? I can imagine if he was running, but not sweating as the drug inhibits sweating, he would feel very hot.
i'm trying to figure out what drug could cause this. i found scopolamine. the wiki page even says it is used in thailand, but there is no citation.
does he remember if he was sweating? i can imagine if he was running, but not sweating as the drug inhibits sweating, he would feel very hot.when i was in peru, scopolamine was a popular drug to incapacitate people to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and / or rob. now days, whenever i hear or read about someone going psycho, i wonder if they've knowingly or unknowingly ingested bath salts.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/bath-salts-drug-dangers
in the usa, bath salts are a big problem.
LittleBigMan
09-10-13, 09:00
Really? That LSD flying off buildings thing is such a 60's cliché. I remember WindowPane. I went to see the Jefferson Airplane and Quicksilver Messenger on Windowpane. Had a great time. I am sure a few idiots went that way, but statistically they were a misc colorful footnote in annals of drug history.
The major cause of death back then was from intravenous drug overdose of Meth, Heroin or Heroin / Cocaine combos. You could get prescriptions for Meth Amphetamine back in the 60's and pick the shit up at Walgreens.
Most of the drug related deaths that I personally know of came from getting stoned on Heroin, Ludes, and or Booze and getting behind the wheel of a car. Luckily, I escaped relatively unharmed from a few of those kinds of situations where friends were driving. One head on, which was totally my friend's fault broke my nose. In another accident, another friend passed out at the wheel and drove his Ford Van off the road and down a 30 ft gulch in remote Guatemala. Miraculously we all walked away from that one although the half English / half Venezuela girl we were travelling with had a few head lacerations from being thrown through the front windshield of the van. Ah those were the days! Drugs, sex, adventure, stupidity and great music. No Internet, no condoms, and no HIV. I never paid for sex back then and I got laid a lot in Costa Rica and Colombia.
That's the 60's and 70's I remember.The use of the example of LSD was just a comparison maybe not a good one for a technical guy like you? That whatever drug it can have it's affect and make you do things you normally wouldn't do. As you noted whatever the drug was your choice it makes you do things and put you in situation you wouldn't normally be in it was just a example to the poster who didn't seem to understand why the guy was so hot? Etc. This is a forum like Google buddy?
Those might be the choices you had but the choices I saw most that was taken in S.F. in the Haight was LSD and of course good old pot!
LBM
Hotman 666
09-10-13, 09:52
sad sight on a recent visit - the beach promenade is scarcely any wider than a hotel hallway now, and the beach road itself is now three lanes wide. there are also no benches on the promenade anymore. the net result is it is that much more difficult for the girls to ply their trade there, and the whole beach effect is much uglier and less appealing. worst of all, it is more hazardous than ever to cross the road (now nearly a highway, with speeds increasing to match).what is happening to pattaya!
the 'coconut bar' has allways been a happy hunting ground for me. some of my very best afternoon encounters have been with playmates found there.
it was always nice to take a leisurely afternoon stroll along beach road and stop of for a smoke while sitting on one of the many benches to admire the passing ladies.
are you saying that all the benches are now gone!
i seem to remember that someone told me that the dolphin fountain on beach road at the bottom of central road has gone as well!
oh well, i will be there to check myself in a few days time. i do hope that i will not be disappointed!
never mind. there are always plenty more places to check for an afternoon playmate in pattata.
i can not believe that just because the benches have gone that all the freelancers have stopped going to there!
hotman.
CorporateMalaya
09-10-13, 14:09
Here is an email from today:He was drugged by someone. He said he remembers seeing some strange looking people on the baht bus. One of them touches him. He pulls away and jumps off the bus and starts running. Someone told us that there is a drug that they can rub on you and it will get into your system.Real strange turn of events, has made me really apprehensive for future trips. What to look out for, if they can do it on the bus, they can very well do it any corner. Have been following Pattaya news website, so many stories of the ladies of the night doing the drugging, but this one beats them all. Do update us on the story as and when it moves Mr Enternational.
With the exception that it will be slightly more difficult to cross the road with one additional lane, I must be one of the few that don't give a damn about this. I've been there both before and during rebuild with much of the area complete and don't see any big deal at all. Scarcely wider than a hotel hallway is a gross exaggeration. In fact with the trees removed, I think the walkable space is actually wider than before. Also the mostly even pavers make it easier to walk compared with constantly having to be on the lookout for ankle twisters. I do concede that the pavers will eventually become uneven as they did not build and compact a proper foundation for them.
I've come to the conclusion that people are mostly change averse and don't like it simply because it is different. In another ten years when they make the next change, people will complain about the changes then as well.I've watch the work progress over a couple of visits, and I look forward to seeing it complete next week. I thought they were doing a pretty good job and it might be a real improvement.
Real strange turn of events, has made me really apprehensive for future trips. What to look out for, if they can do it on the bus, they can very well do it any corner. Have been following Pattaya news website, so many stories of the ladies of the night doing the drugging, but this one beats them all. Do update us on the story as and when it moves Mr Enternational.You can get so paranoid that you won't leave your mother's basement. :)
It really is very hard to drug someone, which is why anaesthetists are paid more than surgeons. If you have had several drinks then someone spikes your drink, OK I can believe it. But drugging someone by touching them on a bus? C'mon, get real!
Mr Enternational
09-10-13, 17:04
To me it sounds like PCP. I have never really heard of another drug make a person run around and do crazy shit like that. It was / is a little popular with people in Texas to smoke it mixed with marijuana and embalming fluid. One friend told me that when it tried it he looked in the mirror and saw the devil. Then there are many instances of people smoking it and going on violent rampages and killing people.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D7Cnk-bFVsA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DD7Cnk-bFVsA
With the exception that it will be slightly more difficult to cross the road with one additional lane, I must be one of the few that don't give a damn about this. I've been there both before and during rebuild with much of the area complete and don't see any big deal at all. Scarcely wider than a hotel hallway is a gross exaggeration. In fact with the trees removed, I think the walkable space is actually wider than before. Also the mostly even pavers make it easier to walk compared with constantly having to be on the lookout for ankle twisters. I do concede that the pavers will eventually become uneven as they did not build and compact a proper foundation for them.
I've come to the conclusion that people are mostly change averse and don't like it simply because it is different. In another ten years when they make the next change, people will complain about the changes then as well.We are in low season now. The real test will come in high season when hordes of tourists want to walk on the promenade. I think we will have to take some thai boxing lessons to be able to pass the bottlenecks.
Member #4698
09-10-13, 17:34
He was drugged by someone. He said he remembers seeing some strange looking people on the baht bus. One of them touches him. He pulls away and jumps off the bus and starts running. He doesn't know why he was running .Here is the thing: if you are a thief and your modus operandi is to drug someone and then rob them, it is imperative to get the intended victim alone in a private area like a house or apartment. Then when the victim comes under the influence, the thieves can rob him without any hindrance or witnesses.
It sounds like your friend was already drugged, made unconscious, and robbed. After the crime was committed, the perpetrators put him on a bus and that's when he started to come out of it, but he was still under the influence and completely disoriented and so he freaked out. A similar crime happened to someone I know in Manila. He remembers meeting a helpful women on the street. They share a cab together and the last thing he remembers he is being taken to a house in a barrio not too far away. He wakes up in his hotel room 24 hours later, his SLR camera is gone as well as a couple hundred dollars' worth of pesos. How he got back to his hotel room is a mystery. The thieves probably dropped him off somewhere near his hotel and where he originally met the helpful women and he probably walked back to his hotel semi unconscious and still under the influence of the drug. He is lucky to be alive.
The drug could be PCP or a fast acting derivative of some kind.
Xplorer007
09-10-13, 19:41
I've watch the work progress over a couple of visits, and I look forward to seeing it complete next week. I thought they were doing a pretty good job and it might be a real improvement.Is all the road work near to completion on Beach Road.
Thanks
Sexmachine1
09-11-13, 02:31
Hi Guys.
Planning a trip to Pattaya at the end of October. A couple of questions.
What's the weather generally like at the end of October to the middle of November?
Should I bring Canadian Dollars or US dollars?
If somebody can post the latest exchange rates available in Pattaya for both currencies. That would be immensely helpful.
Thanks guys. Will post with confirmed dates and looking forward to meet some of you there.
SexMachine
Hi Guys.
Planning a trip to Pattaya at the end of October. A couple of questions.
What's the weather generally like at the end of October to the middle of November?
Should I bring Canadian Dollars or US dollars?
If somebody can post the latest exchange rates available in Pattaya for both currencies. That would be immensely helpful.Today's rates likely won't be the same in October as they constantly changing but as of yesterday the U.S. Dollar was 32.12 and Canadian was 31.10. The weather channel online will tell you all you need to know about the weather anywhere.
http://themoneyconverter.com/CAD/THB.aspx
Hi Guys.
Planning a trip to Pattaya at the end of October. A couple of questions.
What's the weather generally like at the end of October to the middle of November?
Should I bring Canadian Dollars or US dollars?
If somebody can post the latest exchange rates available in Pattaya for both currencies. That would be immensely helpful.
Thanks guys. Will post with confirmed dates and looking forward to meet some of you there.
SexMachineThe end of October can be rainy or can be sunny, but transition to more sunny / dry in November which is the beginning of the dry season.
This is a good site to find the latest exchange rates.
http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/default.aspx
1 CAD approx 30. 4 THB.
1 USD approx 31. 5 THB.
I don't think it matters if you bring CAD or USD. But I would bring an ATM card and make withdrawals from Aeon ATMs (no 150-180 THB service charge).
Is all the road work near to completion on beach road.
ThanksNearly. And it looks fantastic.
Nearly. And it looks fantastic.Can someone post a current pic of the promenade in front of Mike's mall. I enjoyed that area with the raised concrete benches around the trees, always a bit of a mystery with the subdued lighting
Can someone post a current pic of the promenade in front of Mike's mall. I enjoyed that area with the raised concrete benches around the trees, always a bit of a mystery with the subdued lightingJust relax. The games, that took place there before, are continuing. It's not a big deal.
CorporateMalaya
09-11-13, 15:10
Want to spend some time in Soi 6, this time. Could the senior members share the following:
1. Which bars have the best lineup and what is the best time.
2. Which have the cleanest rooms.
3. Things to look out for, and how to handle girls who get rough or grope on the street.
Thanks in advance.
LittleBigMan
09-11-13, 17:58
Want to spend some time in Soi 6, this time. Could the senior members share the following:
1. Which bars have the best lineup and what is the best time.
2. Which have the cleanest rooms.
3. Things to look out for, and how to handle girls who get rough or grope on the street.
Thanks in advance.Most popular, is Nightwish, Skybar, RedPoint, Pussy club the cleanest might be Ruby Bar and Chill Bar, if you aren't into LadyBoys then stay away from Soi 6/1 especially at night. There are one or two ladyboy bars that have them staying outside some can be a little pushy or agressive.
LBM
Member #4698
09-11-13, 22:09
Want to spend some time in Soi 6, this time. Could the senior members share the following:
1. Which bars have the best lineup and what is the best time.I am not a big fan of Soi 6, but I can see why some punters love this part of town and never leave it. It is a party street. You drink, you shag, you meet some fellow like-minded punters, drink some more, shag some more, drink some more and then go to sleep. Next day, Soi Six lovers do it again. There is a camaraderie on Soi Six between the punters, the girls, the punters and some of the bar owners. Soi 6 is just one of those places where you really have to go there, see it, and experience it before you can decide if it is for you or not. I suggest you go there around sundown and take a slow deliberate walk from Beach Road to 2nd Road and back a couple times. Take note of any girls and their respective bars that you find attractive. Then take the plunge, say hi and flirt a little. Soi 6 girls are very friendly, about the friendliest girls I have ever met in Thailand. Buy the girl a drink if you want to take it another step further and if everything seems good, it probably is, so let her take you upstairs for a good time. Afterwards, come downstairs, settle down, have another drink, and relax into the gentle flow of the evening.
Here is my short list of some of the more popular Soi Six bars in preferential order based on my personal comparative observations of the number of cute girls hanging around, the good vibe of the place, and general ambience of the bar over the years.
Nightwish *
Red Point *
Ruby Bar *
Sky Bar *
OBAR *
Pussy Club (Amsterdamaged) *
Saigon Girls *
I wouldn't rely too much on my list except as a general guide. A girl from any of these bars is most likely going to show you a good time provided she passes the initial audition when you buy her a drink. Go with your own intuition and attraction towards a girl you see. None of these bars have Ladyboys.
Last time I was in Pattaya in March, I stopped by Soi Six one evening as the sun was going down. I walked the SIX three times until I found a cute little girl I thought I might want to shag. Actually I spotted two cuties. One was from Ruby Bar or Red Point (I forget which) and one was from OBar. I chose Porn from OBar for no particular reason over the other girl. They both seemed nice. Porn smiled and got sexy with me as soon as I walked her way. No, actually she smiled and came to life as soon as I looked her way. Boom! The accommodations upstairs were rustic if you know what I mean, but that is part of the charm of doing it on the SIX. All in all I had a very good time. ST: 300bt for room + 700bt for girl + 200bt tip + ? For drinks. Here is a picture of the lovely and charming Porn. She is a nice girl. I wouldn't mind repeating with her. Of course you can find better looking girls in Walking Street Go Go's, but that is not the point, is it?
Forced Hand
09-11-13, 22:26
Hi Guys.
Planning a trip to Pattaya at the end of October. A couple of questions.
What's the weather generally like at the end of October to the middle of November?
Should I bring Canadian Dollars or US dollars?
If somebody can post the latest exchange rates available in Pattaya for both currencies. That would be immensely helpful.
Thanks guys. Will post with confirmed dates and looking forward to meet some of you there.
SexMachineThere's lots of websites that will give you the exchange rate. There are also lots of exchange places in Pattaya and they give the best rates. Don't change money at home. I generally change about €50 at the airport and then change the rest in Pattaya as I need to. US dollars might be better, but Pattaya and Thailand are on their game. You aren't going to the boondocks, they will facilitate you.
I can not believe that just because the benches have gone that all the freelancers have stopped going to there!
No, they're still there - only serious police crackdowns (like in the mid 2000s) can drive them away. Nowadays they just face a very awkward venue - nowhere to sit, and with people walking all over them.
She replied 300bht including fucking. What a shit! I jumped off from her and asked to leave me alone.
300bht for FS! No way. If we like to dive in any scam, we may try for anything unusual.
Ten years ago I always paid 300 baht. I think the last time I was offered that price was less than a year ago, though certainly it is very rare. You should've given her a chance.
I've come to the conclusion that people are mostly change averse and don't like it simply because it is different. In another ten years when they make the next change, people will complain about the changes then as well.
I was born at the height of human achievement - the late 1960s - and have observed only decline and worsening in every aspect of life ever since.
Never picked up a beach road girl before as I had never seen anything of interest in the past. Maybe I was going at the wrong times? So last night I decided to take a walk around 9 pm. Surprised to see as many as girls as I did since there are no longer any benches for them to sit on. I still did not take anyone as I kept getting hounded by ladyboys. I hate that they do often look pretty in the shadows. LOL.
Reiner Otto
09-12-13, 07:42
Want to spend some time in Soi 6, this time. Could the senior members share the following:
1. Which bars have the best lineup and what is the best time.In August I had a girl from Red Point. 2h, in my hotel. 2000+500fine. Was worth it.
Opposite Red Point a beer bar, where I waited before, while having a drink, to check the girls "changing the guard", about 18:00.
Mr Enternational
09-12-13, 11:09
Can someone post a current pic of the promenade in front of Mike's mall. I enjoyed that area with the raised concrete benches around the trees, always a bit of a mystery with the subdued lightingHere are various shots that I just took along Beach Road. Last night the girls were sitting on stacks of bricks or on top of the chair stacks that the vendors had locked up. There were plenty of women out. It is business as usual. For motorbike riders, as I took these pictures a few minutes ago I did count 5 police officers stationed throughout Beach Road from Pattaya Klang to Pattaya Tai giving out tickets.
Mr Enternational
09-12-13, 11:58
I don't know what got in to me last night. I was walking down Walking Street at 3:15 and a chick stopped me. I decided I wanted her to come home with me. She asked short time or long time. I said long time always. She said 2000. I told her 1000. She agreed. Since we both had motorbikes to retrieve I told her to meet me in front of the temple on Pattaya Tai. She didn't believe I was going to show. We got to the crib and there were fireworks. When all was said and done she said that she wanted to go home now. It was 5am. I said wait a minute. We agreed that you would stay and I would give you 1000. So since you want to leave now how much should I give you? She said up to you. I said no you tell me. Again she said up to you. I said okay 500. She said 600 so she could buy food the next day and go to the pool at Pattaya Park. I agreed. She told me to call her whenever I miss her and she would stay the whole night.
I walked her out and told her that I was going to hit the streets again. She asked was I going to look for another lady who would stay. I told her no. I went to one of my favorite discos and got a drink. A stunner who was sitting with another Thai female and a French male called me over. She said that her friend and the guy were married. They were arguing like they were married too! Somehow I ended up taking this chick home about 6:30am. When we were on my bike she asked me how much I would give her. I said how much do you want? She said I need 2000. I said you need 1000. She said okay.
We got back to my place and she told me the story of how she lived in Scotland with a 47 year-old guy for a year and a half. They came back to Pattaya on vacation (common story - why the fuck do they do that?) The guy went down to Soi 6 with some buddies. He met a 39 year-old there, and told the girl I had, who is now 27 but looks 21, that he was finished with her. The reason he gave is that she is to young to be a family woman. So now he has taken the 39 year-old to Scotland. I will never cease to be amazed how guys actively seek out hookers for relationships.
As soon as we walked in the door she starting saying that her friend wanted her to take nekkit pictures but she has never done it. Then she striped off her clothes and gave me her cell phone and told me to take pictures so she could send to him. I was like huh? Okay, if you insist. I was directing her poses. Then I thought, while I am doing this I may as well get my phone out as well. So now I have a phone in each hand simultaneously taking pictures of this chick. Then I brought my Big John vibrator out and let her do several poses with it. I told her that he would really like that. I told her that I thought we should take a picture of my dick in her mouth and send it to him. She told me to take my pants off and she went to work with her tongue ring. I didn't take any pictures of that though.
While we were fucking I picked up her phone and was about to answer a message on facebook that a guy had sent. She told me not to do it because he sends her money. I told her that I wouldn't fuck that up for her. So I wrote some lovey dovey bullshit like it was from her. There was another guy as well that she was talking to on facebook. He is supposed to come in the next couple of days. Then there was one more guy who she said that everyday he says he is going to send money tomorrow but he never does. I said how much is he supposed to send. She said it was up to him. I asked her how she met these guys. She said she met them here in Pattaya. I said okay, I thought you may have met them on the internet. She said no. Guys are the internet are full of shit. They only want to talk and get on cam. They will never come to Thailand. We were going back and forth with that facebook shit, her asking me how to spell things in English and all. I finally told her to put the phone down so we could go to sleep. We woke up at noon and I took her home.
Seaman Timmy
09-12-13, 13:58
Hey guys,
I am looking at coming to Pattaya in a couple of weeks, I trying to get a handle on how much everything is going to cost. How do Bar fines work and what should I expect to pay. The prices there seem to be all over.
Thanks,
Timmy
Hey guys,
I am looking at coming to Pattaya in a couple of weeks, I trying to get a handle on how much everything is going to cost. How do Bar fines work and what should I expect to pay. The prices there seem to be all over.
Thanks,
TimmyYou're a brave soul, Timmy, to ask a question like that. Many people would suggest that you read some of the forum reports, where much helpful information is given. I'll simply restrict myself to saying that the prices do vary depending on the location and the girl.
Last time I was in Pattaya in March, I stopped by Soi Six one evening as the sun was going down. I walked the SIX three times until I found a cute little girl I thought I might want to shag. Actually I spotted two cuties. One was from Ruby Bar or Red Point (I forget which) and one was from OBar. I chose Porn from OBar for no particular reason over the other girl. They both seemed nice. Porn smiled and got sexy with me as soon as I walked her way. No, actually she smiled and came to life as soon as I looked her way. Boom! The accommodations upstairs were rustic if you know what I mean, but that is part of the charm of doing it on the SIX. All in all I had a very good time. ST: 300bt for room + 700bt for girl + 200bt tip + ? For drinks. Here is a picture of the lovely and charming Porn. She is a nice girl. I wouldn't mind repeating with her. Of course you can find better looking girls in Walking Street Go Go's, but that is not the point, is it?I went to Soi Six several times in the past months. Almost all girls quoted 1000 + 300. Okay, I prefer very cute girls and I didn't haggle. Nevertheless it astonishes me a little bit that you used to pay only 700. Did you haggle?
Naked Gunz
09-12-13, 19:08
there are no longer any benches for them to sit on.Have not been in a year. So now the benches are gone. Another notch in the slow change from Pattaya party on earth to Little Moscow family fun center.
Member #4698
09-12-13, 20:34
I went to Soi Six several times in the past months. Almost all girls quoted 1000 + 300. Okay, I prefer very cute girls and I didn't haggle. Nevertheless it astonishes me a little bit that you used to pay only 700. Did you haggle?Hi Pimpa, no I don't haggle or negotiate. I do my market research before I travel so I am aware of prevailing rates in various venues. When I see a girl I am attracted to; I smile, I flirt with her, and if she is responsive to my overtures, I buy her a drink. If she seems like a nice girl, I will ask her how much. If she quotes me the market rate or near the market rate; it is on. If she quotes me too much I make a joke about it and give her an exaggerated frown. That is all I will do. I continue sipping my drink and some more polite banter. If the girl negotiates herself down in price; it's on. If she says nothing more on the subject by the time I finish my drink, I get up and politely say, 'I'll see you later' and I am off to the next bar and the next girl. Leaving the bar empty handed does not happen very often to me. I think that is because my vibe is friendly, relaxed, and I don't care if I get laid right now or not because I got laid 3 times yesterday, 3 times the day before yesterday, and 3 times the day before that.
Now to the case at point: to the best of my recollection, Porn asked 700bt plus 300bt for the room. I think I would have remembered it if she had asked more. I am 90% sure of this. Now this was in early March. 2013 and even at this early date, board members were reporting that some girls on the 6 were trying to get 1000bt, but most were still happy with the 700bt going rate. The pertinent question is what is the going rate now and what will it be in March 2014 when I return? I don't know. Maybe you are right and the rate most girls are now asking is 1000bt. I think more forum members need to come forth with their experiences for us to know for sure.
In any case, when I return to Pattaya and Soi Six, I will know better about prevailing market rates. If I run into Porn and she recognizes me, I won't even ask what her rate is. It will be a happy moment. I will ask her how she is doing. I'll buy her a drink, and probably take her back to my hotel for a longer more relaxed session of reunion sex. Thai working girls like reunion sex with friendly returning customers. This has happened to me many times in Thailand. I love it too. On the other hand, if I do not spot Porn or she does not recognize me, it's no big deal. I will slowly cruise the Soi up and down until I find another cutie or two. By the way, I only prefer cute, friendly girls at the minimum and beautiful friendly model quality girls at the max. I never take a plain girl or someone I am not attracted too. Well almost never, HA. I think Porn was one of the two cutest girls on the Soi at the time I met her. There might have been a couple of more attractive girls upstairs with customers. You never know. At the time, I was looking for a little cutie just like Porn and I am glad I found her. She was perfect.
Later I walked down Beach Road to Walking Street checking out the FL's and everything else. I had something to eat at one of the portable food carts on Soi 15 and then I wandered into Baccara. I saw nobody that interested me on the 1st floor, but on the 2nd floor I ran into a little spinner named Ning, #337. I was not very horny, but Ning won me over with her sweet 'bad' girl personality. When she started pole dancing, she suddenly ripped off her top and slid down the pole to the 1st floor. I immediately jumped up and started clapping. I remember shouting, 'now that's what a call a show! ' purposely quoting George Clooney in 'From Dusk Till Dawn'. I don't know if any of the other customers (mostly Asians) got it or not. I don't care. After her act, Ning came back to me and I told her she was my Baccara superstar. A few tequila shots later, we left for my hotel room. I liked Ning so much, I barfined her the next night as well. ST 2000bt + 300bt tip + 600bt barfine (I think) + drinks (? can't remember/don't care?).
Just another night in Pattaya. No big deal.
I went to Soi Six several times in the past months. Almost all girls quoted 1000 + 300. Okay, I prefer very cute girls and I didn't haggle. Nevertheless it astonishes me a little bit that you used to pay only 700. Did you haggle?I regularly frequent Soi 6. If I am interested I usually just say '700 baht plus room, OK? ' Most if not all (20+ over the last 12 months) say yes. If the girl insists on 1000 baht I just say 'Thanks', and move on. I only once paid 1000 baht, for my very last shag last trip because I decided I wanted the girl, and couldn't be bothered to find another in the hour before my taxi arrived.
Similarly I always pay 1500 baht for o/n, from 10pm to 10am. Only one girl has complained, and wanted 2000 baht.
Hi Pimpa, no I don't haggle or negotiate. I do my market research before I travel so I am aware of prevailing rates in various venues. When I see a girl I am attracted to; I smile, I flirt with her, and if she is responsive to my overtures, I buy her a drink.Absolutely spot on regarding Soi 6. And I only ever go with a girl who shows interest in me, which rules out a good few who seem bored or are chatting to their friends or are eating or are on the phone. Unfortunately the most enthusiastic are not always the most attractive, but that still leaves a substantial number of attractive girls looking to earn their money.
I regularly frequent Soi 6. If I am interested I usually just say '700 baht plus room, OK? ' Most if not all (20+ over the last 12 months) say yes.
Similarly I always pay 1500 baht for o / and, from 10pm to 10am. Only one girl has complained, and wanted 2000 baht.Are the prices that you are mentioning for the bar girls? This means that you should pay 700 (1500 for LT) baht for the girl + 300 baht for the room + bar fine + tip (optional). You don't mention the bar fine. Does it mean that for those girls the price for a girl includes the bar fine? Or you are referring to freelancers?
Maybe you are right and the rate most girls are now asking is 1000bt. I think more forum members need to come forth with their experiences for us to know for sure.The standard rate on Soi 6 is now transitioning from 700 to 1000 (room rate holding steady at B300). What this means is that most of the more popular girls have been getting B1000 for a year or two now, while the less in-demand ones are still happy to get B700. The rest are somewhere in between, but increasingly want B1000. It's just ordinary inflation, and it exactly mirrors the way the basic rate went from 500 to 700 some years ago.
Like you I don't negotiate, not for prices or time or services. In fact I don't even bring up the subject, and if the girl starts trying to, I lose interest pretty quickly. I just take them and then pay what I think the service was worth. Once in a long while one will seem a little dissatisfied, in which case I ask her how much more she wants. I remember the first time this happened on Soi 6, when a girl wanted 1000 instead of 700, a couple years ago. I like to think I can tell when they honestly feel they're being underpaid, and in this case there was no doubt. She was a hottie and that was what she was getting. So I paid up, no problem. These days I give 1000 as a matter of course, unless it was disappointing (or phenomenal).
I'm always amused how guys can deal with inflation in most things, but get all offended when they encounter it in commercial sex. Given that the typical kap khaao meal has gone from B20 to B40 over the past couple years, the price rises on Soi 6 if anything are still on the low side.
ConquerorVal
09-13-13, 16:56
I'm always amused how guys can deal with inflation in most things, but get all offended when they encounter it in commercial sex. Given that the typical kap khaao meal has gone from B20 to B40 over the past couple years, the price rises on Soi 6 if anything are still on the low side.Fair and true enough. Its just too bad that most of disposable incomes (in Canada at least) have not kept up with the inflation.
Member #4698
09-13-13, 17:33
I'm always amused how guys can deal with inflation in most things, but get all offended when they encounter it in commercial sex. Given that the typical kap khaao meal has gone from B20 to B40 over the past couple years, the price rises on Soi 6 if anything are still on the low side.I am watching the USD / TBT exchange rate. In March the rate was hovering at around 2900bt per $100. A couple of times all I got was slightly below 2875bt for $100. Since March, surprise, surprise, the dollar has rallied. Today it is at 3168bt per $100. That is a 13% gain! That should help ease the pain from the increased local inflation. In fact if you are holding US Dollars, Thailand is cheaper today than it was in March. Now maybe this is not much to cheer about, I remember back in 2004, when $100 was worth over 4200bt. And even though it would be real nice to see that exchange rate again in the foreseeable future, Thailand would still be more expensive today than it was in 2004.
Today it is at 3168bt per $100. That is a 13% gain!Yeah, the dollar has been surprisingly strong against most Asian currencies lately, especially the baht and the Philippine peso. Great for you guys who make USD. Not so good for us who get paid in baht!
Paul Kausch
09-13-13, 18:57
I am watching the USD / TBT exchange rate.
Yeah, the dollar has been surprisingly strong against most Asian currencies lately, especially the baht and the Philippine peso. Great for you guys who make USD. Not so good for us who get paid in baht!I try to follow currency, though I am far from an expert. Here's what I'm reading. The smart guys thought the baht was artificially high went it was around 28-29 to the US dollar. They think right now. 32. 2 to 32. 4 is about right. The sudden swing was a reaction to capital leaving Thailand and emerging markets in general. This was precipitated by the rising rates on US Treasuries and anticipation of the ending of QE. Some smart guys think it is possible all of this is a precursor to another Asian crisis. If they're right you could see 42 again. While I follow their reasoning, I wouldn't bet on it.
I try to follow currency, though I am far from an expert. Here's what I'm reading. The smart guys thought the baht was artificially high went it was around 28-29 to the US dollar. They think right now. 32. 2 to 32. 4 is about right. The sudden swing was a reaction to capital leaving Thailand and emerging markets in general. This was precipitated by the rising rates on US Treasuries and anticipation of the ending of QE. Some smart guys think it is possible all of this is a precursor to another Asian crisis. If they're right you could see 42 again. While I follow their reasoning, I wouldn't bet on it.Is not for the amateurs! Given the manipulation of exchange rates by currency speculators (who deal in millions daily) it is not for us little guys to make a killing.
I for one, when I am changing my few hundred dollars at a time bluntly find an exchange booth and worry not about the $5 I might gain or lose walking the streets to find a better rate. For the price of a beer it just ain't worth the hassle.
Wolvenvacht
09-13-13, 19:13
Is not for the amateurs! Given the manipulation of exchange rates by currency speculators (who deal in millions daily) it is not for us little guys to make a killing.It is not even for professionals. Just think of those financial traders and banks that plunged the world in a crisis we are all still struggling to escape from.
Member #4698
09-13-13, 19:22
I for one, when I am changing my few hundred dollars at a time bluntly find an exchange booth and worry not about the $5 I might gain or lose walking the streets to find a better rate. For the price of a beer it just ain't worth the hassle.Right, but let's say you are planning on spending $2000 in x amount of time in Pattaya. At the average March. 2013 rate of 29bt per dollar you will have 58, 000bt to spend at your discretion. At around today's rate of 32bt per dollar you will have 64, 000bt or 6, 000bt more discretionary spending power at your disposal. That differential is worth a couple of sessions with the lady of your choice at the very least, so the fx is pretty important. That was my point.
I am not suggesting that anyone start trading Baht on the forward currency market. I am suggesting that the inflationary cost of pussy in Dollar or EU terms is significantly explained by the foreign exchange rate and the value of our currency is dependent on the fiscal and monetary policies of our respective governments and central banks. And those bastards have not been doing a very good job over the past 10 years to say the least. That is the main reason that pussy has been getting more and more expensive for us westerners everywhere in Asia. We need to elect smarter leaders with better ideas and for fuck sake stop printing money! It only leads to inflation. The last 5 years should have proven that.
Wolvenvacht
09-13-13, 19:28
Right, but let's say you are planning on spending $2000 in x amount of time in Pattaya. At the average March. 2013 rate of 29bt per dollar you will have 58, 000bt to spend at your discretion. At around today's rate of 32bt per dollar you will have 64, 000bt or 6, 000bt more discretionary spending power. That is a couple of sessions worth of increased spending power at the least so the fx is important.The fx is not at all important since I cannot do anything about it. In March 2013 I could look far and wide and will not have found an exchange booth selling bath at 32 to the dollar. If you cannot do anything about it, it is not worth worrying about.
Member #4698
09-13-13, 19:44
The fx is not at all important since I cannot do anything about it. In March 2013 I could look far and wide and will not have found an exchange booth selling bath at 32 to the dollar. If you cannot do anything about it, it is not worth worrying about.Well we do have a vote every 4 years. The last one in 2012 was real important.
In general though I do agree with you. There is nothing much we can do about the rising cost of girls in Asia. I am going to keep playing and that is all there is to it. But some guys will have to move on to other countries (Africa ?), or cut back on quantity or quality.
Well we do have a vote every 4 years. The last one in 2012 was real important.
In general though I do agree with you. There is nothing much we can do about the rising cost of girls in Asia. I am going to keep playing and that is all there is to it. But some guys will have to move on to other countries (Africa?) , or cut back on quantity or quality.Isn't there a word for that. Like inflation or something. Your investments & or salary increases are supposed to keep up with that.
The good news, though, is that as you age you'll get to a point where the mojo is progressively lost, or you get bored doing the same thing all the time, or you get some game, or get into a real relationship, or learn how to please yourself, or any combination of the above money savers.
After having banged stunners galore & done everything imaginable with them, for years on end, I think one might get to the point of being very selective & not all that interested, unless there was something extremely tempting, as in mind blowing, on the table.
After having banged stunners galore & done everything imaginable with them, for years on end, I think one might get to the point of being very selective & not all that interested, unless there was something extremely tempting, as in mind blowing, on the table.I've lived and mongered in SE Asia for my whole adult life, over 30 years now, so I guess I fit your description. And you're right, I have gotten pretty selective. These days for me it's all about quality over quantity. So yes, I guess I spend less on our hobby than I used to, though it's still plenty (and to quote George Best, the rest of my money I just waste).
I just hope I never get so jaded that I lose interest. With luck in another 30 years if there's still a Soi 6 and you see some impossibly old geezer trying to climb up the stairs with some 19-year-old, that'll be me.
Here are various shots that I just took along Beach Road. Last night the girls were sitting on stacks of bricks or on top of the chair stacks that the vendors had locked up. There were plenty of women out. It is business as usual. For motorbike riders, as I took these pictures a few minutes ago I did count 5 police officers stationed throughout Beach Road from Pattaya Klang to Pattaya Tai giving out tickets.thanks mr E!
So the promenade not completely gone, maybe 25-35, but still quite a wide area, less or little seating, so guess I will have to catch the ladies while they are strolling too.
Are the prices that you are mentioning for the bar girls? This means that you should pay 700 (1500 for LT) baht for the girl + 300 baht for the room + bar fine + tip (optional). You don't mention the bar fine. Does it mean that for those girls the price for a girl includes the bar fine? Or you are referring to freelancers?Soi 6 is slightly unusual in that you are not taking the girl from the premises, so the bar-fine is the room charge ie that is the money the house makes. So I typically pay 1000 baht in total for ST. The attraction of Soi 6 is that simplicity. 1000 baht plus perhaps a drink or two. Like I say, you can make it more complicated by taking the girl out, which works out at 500 baht after 10pm or 700 baht before 10pm. You then pay the girl what you think is fair, and my personal calculation is about 700 baht per shag. I'm a very old man, so overnight is 2 x 700 = 1500 baht. Sometimes I'll take a girl earlier, and go for dinner or drinks in the evening, so she might get 3 x 700 = 2000 baht. You get the idea.
Isn't there a word for that. Like inflation or something. Your investments & or salary increases are supposed to keep up with that.Well yes, but inflation is not an automatic fact of life. We just happen to live in an era when it is more or less accepted. I don't know what the real rate of inflation is in Thailand. I think in Japan the economy has been deflating the past few years, ie prices getting cheaper.
Anyway, nobody likes paying more than they were paying 12 months ago, so I will resist the push to 1000 baht ST in Soi 6, but not to the point of spoiling my vacation. But realistically, if after a week here I have spent at most £100 more than anticipated, I won't have to remortgage my house.
Soi 6 is slightly unusual in that you are not taking the girl from the premises, so the bar-fine is the room charge ie that is the money the house makes. So I typically pay 1000 baht in total for ST. The attraction of Soi 6 is that simplicity. 1000 baht plus perhaps a drink or two. Like I say, you can make it more complicated by taking the girl out, which works out at 500 baht after 10pm or 700 baht before 10pm. You then pay the girl what you think is fair, and my personal calculation is about 700 baht per shag. I'm a very old man, so overnight is 2 x 700 = 1500 baht. Sometimes I'll take a girl earlier, and go for dinner or drinks in the evening, so she might get 3 x 700 = 2000 baht. You get the idea.I'm planning my trip to Pattaya, therefore those newbie's questions.
How long is the usual ST in Soi 6? Is 300 baths per 1 hour? Does girls expect 1 cum and you have to go or you have, let's say 2-3 yours with reloading time?
Is this true what I'm saying below?
1) Walking street highlight are bars girls ('take away' to your hotel approach: bar fine + money for a girl) and freelancers (obviously 'take away' approach). The scene there is similar to Angeles City in Philippines.
2) The best of Soi 6 is 'in house' consumption (similar to MPs) – money for the room + money for a girl.
3) For good and diversify massage possibilities, the best idea is to go to Bangkok.
LittleBigMan
09-14-13, 08:07
Soi 6,
Lets just go back around 3 years ago, I did most of my ST there since I had a few regulars. At that time it was in a decline with lots of shop closing. The opinions were it was dying a slow death?
Around 2 years ago a group of guys took it apon themselves to try to save Soi 6, First they open up Nightwish, took over Skybar and recently this year open Pussy club. They promoted their clubs through another forum and threw a bunch of parties creating website for their bars. The biggest things they did was bring in more girls and actually instruction and monitor that they try to provide a specific service and try to provide what customers wanted along with a party type atmosphere. From what I saw they succeeded which got the Soi going again bring in new talent along with higher prices.
Beginning of the year I went down to see what the hype was about also to see the changes on the Soi, the Soi was certainly more alive. I walked the length a few times before going in to check them out. As noted, I saw NW, Skybar were very busy compared to the others. Pussy Club was having its Pre-Grand opening that same night. Can't remember the clubs I visited but the first one it was dead but the girl told me 400 BF and 1, 000, Second one was 350/1000 baht, after that I decided to go to Nightwish since I spotted the famous Ning from D. D. Who I had known. She filled me in that it was 350/1000 for all three of their clubs after a drink with her I went to Pussy Club, it was pretty much dead, but went back next time with a friend and the girl told me 350/1000, over a drink we talked and I told her I can get LT, where I live for 1, 000 baht and I would have to nearly kick them out because they wouldn't leave. She said laughing quoting in English " old shit " and after a good laugh she came down to 700 but I wasn't there to partake just to get information. Next time I went she was gone.
I checked out Skybar all the same 350/1000, decided to check out the other one's surrounding these three bars. Here is basically what I got. Nearly every girls I spoke when I ask and we talked that I was use to paying 300/700 without a problem the only time I paid 1, 000 was if the girl did 3 holes and gave me GFE along with a nice massage. They responded that clubs like Nightwish are asking for 350/1000 and the girls are getting it so that is what we should charge for BF etc. I look around each of these clubs and they didn't have the customers that these clubs had and I ask the girl how many customer have you had today many were Zero and a few only had 1, and it was already 10pm, and as we know the majority of them close at 1am.
Just the other night it was 3:30am, I was cruising on my bike and went down Soi 6, for the hell of it. 99. 9% were closed accept Nightwish which I heard the owner has a contact to allow him to open late as long as he kept the light off the place although small was packed. In April of this year I went by Pussy club and saw Ning who normally works at Nightwish, stopped to have a drink and chat and ask why she was working PC, said not enough girls so she is helping out. Ended up taking her ST but we had to go back down NW since PC was closing for the evening.
So, comes success for some clubs and the Thai way at times is to increase the prices although the real definition of Inflation doesn't really have anything to do with the increase. As many are asking and getting 1000, you still can 700 throughout Soi 6, you just let to work on it a little more which of course is a individual choice or not?
When I go to Soi 6, I'm not there to drink and party so if prices are going up and too much work I will pass too many options in Pattaya. As I reported the other week. 4am cruising I was on Soi Honey, decided to get a oily, found a cutie better than anything I have seen on Soi 6, although a weak oil, she gave more than I expected and did a much better job licking LBM, with FS than the famous Ning at NW, left happy all for 1, 000 baht although it was on the floor on a mat with people next down, didn't bother me a bit.
LBM
CorporateMalaya
09-14-13, 11:50
Soi 6, Around 2 years ago a group of guys took it apon themselves to try to save Soi 6, First they open up Nightwish, took over Skybar and recently this year open Pussy club. They promoted their clubs through another forum and threw a bunch of parties creating website for their bars. The biggest things they did was bring in more girls and actually instruction and monitor that they try to provide a specific service and try to provide what customers wanted along with a party type atmosphere. From what I saw they succeeded which got the Soi going again bring in new talent along with higher prices.
LBMThis is true, I remember it being quite dull in 2009, my cherry trip. These clubs you mentioned have loaded 100's of pics of their parties on the addicts, soi 6 threads. Good marketing on their part.
after that I decided to go to Nightwish since I spotted the famous Ning from D. D. Who I had known. She filled me in that it was 350/1000 for all three of their clubs after a drink with her I went to Pussy Club, it was pretty much dead, but went back next time with a friend and the girl told me 350/1000, over a drink we talked and I told her I can get LT, where I live for 1, 000 baht and I would have to nearly kick them out because they wouldn't leave. She said laughing quoting in English " old shit " and after a good laugh she came down to 700 but I wasn't there to partake just to get information.
LBMNing is Legend, is she a 3 holer. Does anyone have update on the 6 up bar above Pook, is it still running.
Soi 6,
Nearly every girls I spoke when I ask and we talked that I was use to paying 300/700 without a problem the only time I paid 1, 000 was if the girl did 3 holes and gave me GFE along with a nice massage. They responded that clubs like Nightwish are asking for 350/1000 and the girls are getting it so that is what we should charge for BF etc. I look around each of these clubs and they didn't have the customers that these clubs had and I ask the girl how many customer have you had today many were Zero and a few only had 1, and it was already 10pm, and as we know the majority of them close at 1am.Sorry, LBM, are you saying that Nightwish and similar have the customers, or the other way round?
I don't think I have ever been in Nightwish, or if I have I probably politely walked out after hearing the prices. For what it's worth, I just came from Ruby Club and the girl was happy with 700 baht. She could have earned a tip; nice enough girl but her service was nothing out of the ordinary. I am picking up another regular tonight and anticipate paying 500 + 1500 baht. I'll let you know.
Does anyone know where the aerobics class has gone, that used to be at the bottom of Soi 6 around 6-7pm? I used to enjoy watching it.
LittleBigMan
09-14-13, 12:15
Sorry, LBM, are you saying that Nightwish and similar have the customers, or the other way round?
I don't think I have ever been in Nightwish, or if I have I probably politely walked out after hearing the prices. For what it's worth, I just came from Ruby Club and the girl was happy with 700 baht. She could have earned a tip; nice enough girl but her service was nothing out of the ordinary. I am picking up another regular tonight and anticipate paying 500 + 1500 baht. I'll let you know.Out of all the clubs now on Soi 6, the three I hear about most which seem to be also the most popular with customer but in my opinion a much younger crowd. As you mention Ruby club which I know well one of my regulars were there which is gone out of the business now. Most of the girls at the three clubs have no problem asking and getting the 1, 000 baht, from the customers but I'm sure there are some if not many that might get it at the old price. The only girl I took was Ning and it would be stupid of me to offer 700, personally knowing her history I couldn't even say 700Bath. All three clubs now are open and I more of a guy that likes to hide in dark corners.
My experience was early this year and in April, I'm sure by now those same girls thinking they can ask for 1, 000 baht because these 3 clubs the girls are getting it most likely after all these months might be coming back to earth. My final opinion is most likely you are going to be quoted 1, 000 but it doesn't mean you got to pay it just like the go go's. It is up to you a experience guy like you will have no problem smoothly getting the girls to take 700/1500, what I can't help you with is the aerobics class?
Just back from my evening jog along Beach Road, and before I collapsed with heat exhaustion I noticed that there are a series of bolts embedded in the pavement. They are arranged in a small square, in groups of three, about 1m apart in a straight line.
I'll bet a pound to a penny these are the fixing points for a series of concrete benches, yet to be installed. The ladies will be pleased.
Are the prices that you are mentioning for the bar girls? This means that you should pay 700 (1500 for LT) baht for the girl + 300 baht for the room + bar fine + tip (optional). You don't mention the bar fine. Does it mean that for those girls the price for a girl includes the bar fine? Or you are referring to freelancers?The last few posts have talked about prices for a short time session with a Soi 6 girl, which takes place upstairs at the bar where she works. As others have noted, for years the price was 700 to the girl and 300 to the bar. (Plus drinks and a tip, if you choose. And I'm not going to get into the price for taking a girl back to your hotel, either long time or short, because that varies somewhat.)
Recently the girls are asking for 1000, and some bars (usually the ones with nicer renovated rooms) are asking 350 for the short-term lodging. Going from 1000 all-in to 1350 represents a 35 percent increase. I hope this attracts hotter girls to Soi 6. If so, I won't have a problem with a USD $11 increase.
On the other hand, I won't be wild about paying 35 percent more for the same experience with the same girls. When I arrive in December I plan to make the decision in real time. If the girl strikes my fancy and I'm in one of the bars with the renovated rooms, I'll probably pay the higher prices. If not, I'll counter at the old price and see what happens, perhaps leaving a tip if the girl does a good job.
Bunky
Just back from my evening jog along Beach Road, and before I collapsed with heat exhaustion I noticed that there are a series of bolts embedded in the pavement. They are arranged in a small square, in groups of three, about 1m apart in a straight line.
I'll bet a pound to a penny these are the fixing points for a series of concrete benches, yet to be installed. The ladies will be pleased.The new promenade is okay up to Soi 12 or 13. You can say it is even better than before. But the closer it gets to Walking Street, the narrower it becomes. At some points it is not two meters wide. There it really sucks.
Another aspect is the three lane thing. It is just stupid. The influx of cars and buses was already too big before to be able to pass the bottleneck at the end of beach road without causing a traffic jam. Now it has gotten even worse because of the three lanes.
I tell you why they did this stupidity. Construction projects are an excellent opportunity for corrupt officials and politicians to collect a lot of money.
LittleBigMan
09-15-13, 02:02
The last few posts have talked about prices for a short time session with a Soi 6 girl, which takes place upstairs at the bar where she works. As others have noted, for years the price was 700 to the girl and 300 to the bar. (Plus drinks and a tip, if you choose. And I'm not going to get into the price for taking a girl back to your hotel, either long time or short, because that varies somewhat.)
Recently the girls are asking for 1000, and some bars (usually the ones with nicer renovated rooms) are asking 350 for the short-term lodging. Going from 1000 all-in to 1350 represents a 35 percent increase. I hope this attracts hotter girls to Soi 6. If so, I won't have a problem with a USD $11 increase.
On the other hand, I won't be wild about paying 35 percent more for the same experience with the same girls. When I arrive in December I plan to make the decision in real time. If the girl strikes my fancy and I'm in one of the bars with the renovated rooms, I'll probably pay the higher prices. If not, I'll counter at the old price and see what happens, perhaps leaving a tip if the girl does a good job.
BunkyThis is very wise decision in my opinion. There are always going to be cheap charlies and guys that come for holidays that just don't care. I come to a point in life to try to let people do what they want without judging them it doesn't work all the time at least with me but this is how I try to think now.
Whether it is Soi 6, or not, take each situation, each case, each girl, each venue, whatever / whenever a person chooses but thinking or demanding it has to be a specific way because that is the way it always been. Making decisions and coming to the middle is the best way to go and if it works for you and you have a good time that is why a person comes and even stays.
LBM
LittleBigMan
09-15-13, 02:32
The new promenade is okay up to Soi 12 or 13. You can say it is even better than before. But the closer it gets to Walking Street, the narrower it becomes. At some points it is not two meters wide. There it really sucks.
Another aspect is the three lane thing. It is just stupid. The influx of cars and buses was already too big before to be able to pass the bottleneck at the end of beach road without causing a traffic jam. Now it has gotten even worse because of the three lanes.
I tell you why they did this stupidity. Construction projects are an excellent opportunity for corrupt officials and politicians to collect a lot of money.This is so true corruption corruption articles have been written over and over again. Even surveys regarding corruption the Thai feel it is okay as long as it has benefits. Three years ago there was a article in BKK Post estimating 200 Billion is lost to corruption it must be double by now?
From the corruption of doing a study whether it should be done to actually doing the project it goes on and on. Months before they started the road expansion they spent millions on trimming the trees from Walking Street all the way up to the top locals complaint about the shade being gone and the mongers complaint about that the FL, will be gone? Months later as things quiet down the so call study ended and they started the work when all they had to do was come up with a plan to limit the number of motorbike rentals operators or bike being rented or move them to the otherside to the promenade which they all had to do when the construction started. No one complaint about why the same trees were trim when they are being pull out of the ground now?
The problem areas were very clear to any unprofessional like ourselves, Buses with large tour groups double parked around the A-1 Hotel up from Soi 6, constantly loading and unloading groups to the beach. The bottle neck at the end of Pattaya Klang and Beach road due to two large motorbike rentals operators just outside Soi 7/8, along with Songthaws coming down Pattaya Klang and Beach Road all stopping to fight for customers in one place while the BIB a few feet away on Soi 9, doing their corruption stops on Farangs, then after that you got Central festival again another bottle neck. Thereafter you got Mike shopping and Royal Garden bottle neck and finally you get to the end, which they decide to cone off the left for the Songthaws to pick up customer that leaves one lane for everyone else to fight over.
When I come down Beach Road each day I have to admit they have done a good job how fast they have done this project. I like to bash the official regularly in the Pattaya Mail Newspaper but I must admit the widen of the road isn't as bad since it was done in low season. But just the othernight, the area around Soi 7/8 there was still a bottle neck, the area in front of Mikes a long bottle neck with Songthaw weaving for lane to lane stopping for customers and of course they could never do anything at the end. All this money spent because too scare too much corruption to tell the Mafia to move the motorbikes.
High season is here or coming, the trees and the benches will be put back but one will have less space but the girls will return just the other night cruising I came to the bottleneck at Mikes and plenty of girls sitting looking for customers they adjust they will come back and so will the traffic jams since they have plans for concerts, Loy Krathong, tents with ventor. Events to bring in the tourist for the upcoming holidays like everything most problems here are self inflicted!
Enjoy, LBM
CorporateMalaya
09-16-13, 15:30
i had a trip to london coming up in july, was real excited. did all my planning but then it was cancelled. where else can i go at short notice to make use of these 5 days of eid holidays. this was not like me, booking a ticket 2 weeks ahead. checked my airmiles balance and it was showing a handsome figure, converted them into vouchers and walked in with full confidence to the travel agent. he asks me have you tried etihad, they are the lowest i can get you, will be 700 dollars, i remind him i am going to bangkok, not jfk. no my friend, this is the cheapest you can get. ok brother, book it, gave him 600 in vouchers and 100 in cash. the trip is on, spent the next few weeks working out how to bring some economy to this trip. decided to go back to jasmine, in soi bj. booked superior for 900 baht a night and transfer with bell. my colleagues at workhave noticed this new vigor and excitement, god bless they are not aware what the true purpose of my visit is.
14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9,8, 7,6, 5,4, 3,2, 1.
you know how difficult it is, you have felt the same, this constant clock which ticks in your brain.
day 0.
finally the day arrives and i am transferred by bus to abu dhabi. my first time at the airport, flash my card and get into the lounge, super buffet they have got on there. tank full, now for the flight. ignore the duty free completely, the indian ladies are trying watches, the falangs filling suitcases with cigarettes, same sights. different airport. suddenly i get this urge for a cigarette, and am directed to the food court, while being reminded that the boarding gates close 30 min. bla bla. get there, and its quite nicely done, more like a lounge.
rush back to reach the waiting area for the flight, and man it is packed, no chance for an upgrade, this is not my territory, have been lucky with emirates or gulf air. a few steps before boarding i get a peep into the cockpit, a fit blonde and a baldy (no offence) are going to fly this bird. finally, make it into the flight. have a window, with 2 blokes from stuttgart marking out their lonely planets. the plane is a bloody sauna, thats why boarding late is always a great idea. a good 40 minutes later, we are in the air, things are cooling down. i have a few bits of the otherwise inedible on-board meal and dream off. the germans are busy watching a movie on their ipads. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
day 1.
my dream at 35, 000 feet (how do i know, wait its coming) is interrupted by the usual chime of the weather forecast, altitude and temperature by the captain. i think this is the airline equivalent of mama's wake up for school. i reluctantly open one eye to scan the environment. german 1 has notoriously laid his head to rest on my shoulder, cho chweeet. i wriggle forward, acting to open the tray, waking him up. a few seconds have only passed that these blinding cabin lights coming on all at one. i hastily get out of my seat to avoid the boxing day sale queue at the toilets. i freshen up and get out of the bog in around 4 minutes flat, and receive these cold stares from the 8 odd guys lined up for release. anyways, back to my seat and my german row mates are back to their lonely planets, they ask me about my trip and how many times i have come to thailand. i reply thrice, so they pass me their lp and ask me some details on the text of khao san road. i politely reply, i have never been there to their utter disbelief. luckily the breakfast trolley arrives which saves me from any further questions. as i swallow the orange juice, i open the window to have a peep. i fail to see the ground, its all clouds and milky white to the horizon. finish the breakfast and fill the landing card. a few minutes later we are on the ground.
as i reach the airway bridge, there are these sweet promo staff giving out happy tourist sim cards, what a wonderful thought. i ask them if they have one for the iphone, and they reply i could pick one from the arrival hall by showing them the same. what a good start, saved me 140 baht already. rush to the gate on the ground floor and present my bell travel print out, am given a sticker and led to the waiting area where some local staff are having coffee and eats. also notice a big contingent of indian families, with strollers, kids and even grandparents enroute to pattaya. myyyyyy godddd! i am scared to death if one of them asked me any more questions, so i quickly head back to level 1 to get my iphone sim. i do a quick end to end terminal walk to check out the crowd. see a big group of sweeties holding brazilian passports, wouldn't it be fun to join up with them to some deserted island. end of dream sequence, its 9:40 am, i stop admiring their bunda perfection and head back to board the bus.
i am the last to board the bus, finishing my cigarette glancing around for any cops. the area says no-smoking, but its lined with cigarette butts. as per my calculations, i am heading to a last row seat on the big bus. now, luckily for me this bus is overbooked so another small white van also run by bell parks up behind. the bell guy, says to me: you go there! a few smiles and a 20 baht to the driver. he asks me join him in the front of the van to me delight. now we can head off, headphones out, ministry of sound chillout on, we are off! finally at around 12:30, i am deposited at soi bj. walking street at daytime is another site, baccara has its beer being delivered and the massage touts are aimlessly dozing in stools and along the kerb. i make my wee walk and check-in. am promised a 3rd floor room, let us see if the economics pays off. this one is spacious, and past a few building i can see the sea. i decide to do a quick shower and do a quick our of town. exchange my money, have lunch at cf food court which is always clean and edible.
its 3 pm and i take a beach road walk. the clouds and sun are playing hide and seek which in turn is giving me a bloody sweat. get onto the next baht bus and collapse in my bed. a few minutes later, am reminded by junior below of a pressing urge. quickly make an in call booking for 5 pm with dd and leave the phone on vibrate. trshhhhhhhh trshshh, the phone vibrates my pillow, your choice is not available, but miss x, you e, i are available. boorishly reply to a one of them and pass out. an hour and forty six minutes later another set of knocks resonate in my head. i dismiss the first set, which are followed by another. shit. my take away has arrived. i quickly glance at my watch its only 4:50 pm, she is before time, airlines take a bow to the dd planners for on time performance. examine the state of the room and tidy up the bed. rush towards the door and welcome miss p inside. these first few moments are very precious and awkward, both of us observing each other for the first time. she places her bag on the dresser and passes me a pristine white envelope with a whiter paper with my invoice and details, great job dd. i make a mental note to destroy all this incriminating evidence after she leaves, lest it sneaks back all the way home. i pass her the cash and she places it back in her bag.
she moves to the bed and lays out her toolkit: cd's, ky, dildo's, mouthwash, shampoo etc. she ushers me to the shower, and starts undressing with me following suit. during the brief walk i admire her fitness, sweet face, thick thighs and completely trimmed honey pot. shower completed, i ask her to clean my ass thoroughly as i wanted some deep action today. out of the shower, she asks me what do you want, i just drop the towel and ask her to blow me. she drops down to her knees and gives me a proper dyson suck. she does a great job of that, a true master, aren't they all at dd. i lose track of time, this is so good, i ask her to take a break and get on to the bed. ask her to rim from with me being a doggie for a change. she offers a dildo with a condom in me, which i politely decline. back to the bj, i am about to explode. i keep changing positions to prolong this session. now i am standing on the bed, and finish with a big smile, designing a nice face painting with my love juice. due to the overdose, she rushes to the toilet for a proper scrub. i light up and switch on the tv and leave it on at low volume for the next round, the bed is near the door and i don't want to entertain the passersby and neighbors.
she is back with a smile and sits up on the bed, i ask her to lie down next to me. time for some pillow talk. i tell her i really admire her particular job, as it personally takes a lot of courage to go to a strangers room who you haven't even seen. we share some stories, go go girls, pattaya in general, etc. as you are very well aware, dd is a wysiwyg outfit, so i will skip the rest of the action. she did whatever i asked, sometimes looked a bit tired and unenthusiastic but i understood her well. so never rushed her, and took good breaks in between the sessions and made sure she went back smiling with a small tip for her purse.
i kill the next 5 minutes checking the damage to the bed, two towels are ridden with spit and love juice, so i trash them and head to balcony. there is a thunder storm building, in the distance i can see a ship glittering in a distance. i rush to my bag to get the camera out, the first picture baby lumix takes is a collection of dots, my eyes don't believe the camera and shoot again and still get these funny dots, aaah it's on manual. another click, much better, what could this be, loos so commercial, must be some floating restaurant in p bay.
i leave the door open and switch the air con off. a quick shower and now it's coming down and heavy, all my fatigue moves deeper inside my body at the sight of rain. it has been almost 6 months since i saw one, so i am glued to the scene like a school boy. my left hand realises it is missing something, yes it's the coffee. i rush to the reception with my coffee cup to get hot water. believe it or not there is a cooker, stove and utensils but no kettle at jasmine. i smile at the receptionist mentioning i am only borrowing water, and have my own coffee. back in my '1 more step or you are history balcony', parts of the curtain are getting wet, i push them aside with a stool against the wall and light up another davidoff. people are running at the bottom of the soi, ws has people lined up against the gg's for shelter.
coffee is done, body craves for a repeat but the trek down seems distant. lay back on the bed and flick on the tv, condo ads, plots for sale, what is this channel, off. close my eyes and swap to a cooler pillow, zzzzzzzz. wake up at around 9, check my appearance and am out the door. ws has not changed a bit, same old same old. get to the mc d on beach road, really wanted get some pork into my system. they call it the samurai burger, great job mc d marketing.
squeeze into a table, lots of young couples and tourists make up the floor, take my first bite and realise did i forget my ketchup or they didn't serve me. no i didn't, they just don't gift you the 2 packets as default like in the middle east. i am relieved i just have to walk across and fill them up from the squeeze me bottle, what a relief after paying 50 cents in amsterdam for every sachet a few months back and a euro to use the toilet, what a rip off. walk off with half of my upsized pepsi still in hand back to the strip, my mind doing quick calculations which place should i hit first.
enter walking street, it has filled up in the past hour. i don't want to spoil my first night by a push back at baccara or fahrenheit, it happens sometimes, and my color does not help either. so i decide on heaven above at soi diamond. as soon as i make my turn into sd, i see these two chaps with small plackards for cheap draft coaxing me inside.
i try to brush them, but big daddy with the pony tail near the entrance calls me towards him. he opens the curtain to show me a glimpse inside, i can't see shit, and what i see inside is not that great. the only think notable is a something in a two piece with braces with and gorgeous dimples next to the door. i give her a big smile and she gives me the folded hands and says you go innnnnnn.
55 baht sounds fine and it was early, only 10pm, will save me the from the terminal sin of barfining early. so i head right in and find me a seat with a good vantage point. part of the seating is blocked by these floor columns so i move to the right hand side of the bar next some japs with heir cuddlies. the draft is served, and its finished in two gulps, man these glasses are small. as a rule, i never order myself unless reminded by the staff, after all we have to support their employment. the second round arrives and i ask the service girl to send miss braces.
she speaks well for her self, and we make small talk. get her a drink while some girls are busy pouring soap on themselves. the soap is dry on and they come over asking for tips, i give me 20 each and get back to miss braces. she says, maaii turn to daance nuw. nothing i can do about that and god bless, saved me the lady drink. she takes stage and another older mama with a great fit body who was eyeing me earlier starts idling near my table. i chose to ignore her and enjoy my second drink while fantasizing about miss braces. its 11 pm and this dance round isgoing on and on. considering the close distance i decide to move on to ha blowing a kiss to miss b.
heaven above, lots of rain below. ha is buzzing with activity, lots of punters everywhere. spot this super-hot-dusky thing in a classy dress on the way in, make a mental note for later. the service girls get me a stool on the left side near the bar. the spot is good and bad in the same way, people are walking past and so are the ladies. get my usual vodka and juice and try to make eye contact. unfortunately 80% of the lineup is facing the other side where a big gang is seated. i finish my drink in a hurry and make a plan to get back post at around 1 am.
come outside and see its raining, start walking and take shelter at the carousel. decide to get back to the room and rest for a while as ws is unwalkable and lazily doze off. no sweat, the dd girl had given me 2 hours of bliss, time to rest and recharge my batteries proper for tomorrow.
day 2
wake up around nine am, perfect. its 6 in dubai, my usual wake up time so there will be no significant sleep adjustment required going forward. a quick gargle and i am down at the reception, again pouring my hot water. my first plan is to buy a kettle, engrave it and donate it them for my sole use only on future trips. was praying some rogue staff was running his private kettle rental racquet, but there wasn't. if any of you other folks have been made any offers do pm me immediately.
freshened up, i start my walk and reach the 2nd road intersection. get a pair of whites from the towl man and stove them into my daypack. some will wonder why i buy my towels, i generally don't but jasmine's are blue in color so i just don't trust them no matter how nice they smell and clean they appear plus i think thai cotton products are real good value. hop on to the baht bus, ring-ring. 10 baht through the window and i am in s d. head to the billabong for their all day breakfast. the place is empty, only one more customer, and for that matter most of slkm. eat my breakfast slowly and clean the entire plate. do an extended walk to digest this heavy dose, and end up at cf. enter through the ground floor, the perfume section and check out some new launches. find james franco gazing at me, with gucci's new fragrance called,"made to meausure". take a sniff and find it too bland and the bottle plain ugly. the salesman obviously doesn't think so, and goes on and on telling me it is a bestseller bla bla. personally, i think gucci has lost it since tom ford left, period. try out a few more sections, they are all over priced compared to home, so spray a few sticks and stove them in my wallet. these will be later distributed within my clothes for obvious reasons. walk past the usual unknown brand sales set up in the atrium and head straight up to electronics.
nothing to my fancy, so decide to flip a coin between a soapy and a movie. heads for soapie, tails for movie. and as you will all agree with me, you should always listen to your head. a little walk later i am at honeys mp. the line-up was seriously disappointing, perhaps i went too early and i am out in 10 minutes. get onto the first moto taxi and do a one stop deal, mike shopping so i can get some fruits and later to my hotel. the bike fella has seen me coming out of honey and recommends me rasputin. i ditch the earlier plan for fruits and head to rasputin for some desert. no charge to the bike fella, he will get his commission. this place really amazes me at its size, luckily the place is near empty and there around 30 ladies in the fish bowl. the elderly and busty ones make immediate eye contact, i smile back. find myself a tallish looking lady with a deep cleavage on the left. call papasan, make the payment and we head up to the room.
coming out of the elevator this had the make and feel of a star hotel with corridors with no end in sight. the room was spacious and clean, with this jacuzzi on the right as you enter followed by the bed. my new friend for the day was called nam, from udon. 24 years of age, flawless skin, slim body with perk tits. she asked me to undress while she got the jacuzzi going. i followed and waited naked on the edge of the bed for further instructions. she goes near the door and switches off the main bedroom lights. i wonder what this is all about and am about to find out. i reach the water and check the temperature, its perfect and there is this eerie red and yellow glow from the jacuzz in lighting, groovy. enter the warm water was a relief to my tired body, she followed suit a minute later and starting pouring water over my body. i retract my legs to get her a bit closer and urge for a kiss which she provides with an open mouth. we stay lip locked for a few minutes, the water rising slowly and submerging our bodies. she asks me to move back and rest my head at the back of the tub and starts rolling over me. here i am 3000 miles from home, trying under water gymnastics, brilliant. after a few rounds of the repeated up and down moves, i lock her near my head and kiss her again. i can feel junior springing to attention, and ask her to blow me. she obliges while i sink back closing my eyes, enjoying the multiocolor glow outside my eyes like in a predator film. mid way she says, we better move to the bed, you can finish only once. i tell her i can pay her extra, to which replies, can't do mister. i stand up, while she rinses off all the remaining foam off my body. she dries me again outside the tub, she come out dripping wet.
i return back to the bed and lie right in the middle looking up at the ceiling, waiting for her to join me. she looks great with her towel on which i ask her to retain. she ends up on the bed and i do some pillow talk, her life, family, story in pattaya, etc. i light up a cigarette too, which she doesn't appreciate, so i put it out. i pull her face closer, pillow to pillow and slowly remove her towel. her damp body feels great in my hand so i decide to give her a top to bottom lick. she reciprocates by a blow again, followed by a good ride. i grasp her and bring her below me for some deep mish followed by the statutory release of love juice in the confines of the cdom.
she gets up instantly and goes for a wash and i finish that 9/10th of a cigarette in the tray. she calls out for me to come and wash and she dries me with another towel. i ask her for a picture but she refuses. i don't insist and plant a kiss on her cheek with a 200b extra in her palm. walk hand in hand down the elevator, and back to the main auditorium. i am a bit thirsty and ask the papasan in the suit if i could some drinking water which he orders for me. i just stand behind the main row of sofa's where i notice some fresh faces and a big troupe of indian in their shorts collecting and counting bahts. i wish they built these things like a cinema, tickets and popcorn on the way in and a quiet exit out the back. nevermind, i finish my water and head out the door. picking up some brochures, including a big one for rasputin itself which is one of the things i risked bringing back home for a souvenir. asked the reception people on what is on the right hand side of the main hall, they inform me that it some some vvip club of sorts which starts at night. step out and the daylight brings me back to reality, find my bearings, there is no body in sight, turn right and follow a narrow road out to beach road.
do a brisk walk along beach road all the way to central festival thanks to the cloud cover and nice early evening breeze. notice all types of gentry on the way and wished they do a proper clean up of the pathway and some of the crazy characters who have made it home of sorts.
am a bit hungry, but can't be asked walking the a length of a soi to get to the food court. settle in the irish pub on the right hand side of cf. perch myself on a really uncomfortable stool outside and enquire if there are any specials. the place is dead, at around 5pm. decide on a guinness and some snacks and resume people watching. hiso's, tourists, families and hawkers make up most of the crowd, my apologies if they are related to people on the forum. it will be dark soon and i need a rest, i settle the tab, get up from the table and continue my walk back to the hotel. i find myself sharing a table with 2 baccara board girls in their black and red. they look at me amusingly, i offer my greetings which get half smiles and they continue gulping down their sticky rice. my food is delivered in those small plastic bags, i feel like i just got myself a fish for my acquarium. papa uses his fingers to tell me how much i have to pay, i just hand them a 100 note and walk off. back in my room, i get the plates ready and a coke and arrange myself dangerously in the narrow balcony. eat the food with my hands, and the curry has some gigantic killer chillies which i remove and keep on the side.
wake up with this strange head ache at around 9pm, all i can hear is the base reverberating from the walkiing street bars. head down to the soi to get my self some dinner. there is this mama-papa joint on the right who make thai food in soi bj. ask them me to make me some fresh green curry with chicken. i am idling in the soi, looking around at objects and taking some random pictures when papa asks me to sit inside their tiny establishment. that was a good meal, i light up my cigarette and ponder over what to wear. decide on linen and boots and have a quick shave and shower. its almost 11 as i reach ws, there is a nice set of legs outside galaxy cabaret, one of them gives me some eye contact, i smile back and spend another 5 minutes just glued to my spot. the band in the rock bar on the left is playing hotel california, i wait for them to finish, give them my fenceline applause and move towards the galaxy girls. a few words of russian with my leggy friend, she complements me on my boots and tries to explain what is inside. i have been there before and don't have any small baht bills to plunder around so enjoy her perfume and say i will be back later. walk past baccara, the 2 girls who i shared the table with are on duty are pleased with my refined look compared to the crumpled t shirt, shorts and flip flop avatar an hour ago. they ask me where you go! i say heaven above. they say, that place small, come here. only if the girls knew my record of push backs at baccara from the door staff. i don't want a repeat so move on, skip past the boys at the entrance of soi diamond and head up straight for heaven above.
stop for a picture, am not getting good vibes from this row of girls near the entrance, they are guessing what on earth am i trying to click and yell out no photo which i chose to ignore. plant and page would appreciate the rendering of their lyrics at such a dandy spot. some times i feel i should leave the camera behind. it is in a way an obnoxious unpunter-iike touristy habit, but can't help it. cover the flight of stairs, stub out my smokes and perch myself a nice seat on the right hand side all to myself. order myself some vodka orange juice, i want this night to last and want minimal trips to the loo. lots of talent on the floor, wait for the shift change to see all the talent. ask for a tall skinny girl with a see through bra and panty, she comes and joins me. do the usual get to know each other chit chat. she gulps her drink in a hurry and keeps her hands on my legs. she wants to call over another friend, i say ok, she also joins us, i rearrange myself so i have a bird on each side. more ld's, don't want to get carried away so ask both the plan for the night. they just nod and say something silly like, we look for nice customer. i am open to either one of them, but make it clear that i can bar-fine only one. time for them to dance, any my turn to get some fresh air, lot of activity near the toilets, lot of girls having their dinner, i need my space so walk down, the door staff want to check if i have paid my tab, i tell them softly i need a little walk. move behind the row of girls still standing near the stairs and sit on the steps of what seems like some hotel.
back inside make some conversation of some new customers who have taken up seats next to me. a good 40 minutes later the girls are back from their dance. i lay out my plan to them in the simplest words i can find, nice slow boom boom, then insomnia, then zzzz, wake up when we wake up, boom boom and then bye bye. the girl who has joined me later looks more excited at the plan, the other one wants only st. i ask for the waitress and say the magic words, bar fine. give her two crisp 1000 notes, stretching them out so there is no confusion. the girl gets up to get changed. the mamasan, the dark and slightly built comes over to hand me back the change. around 400 baht, i tip her and the service a hundred each and stuff 200 down the panty of girl number 1, she gives me a kiss on my lips and moves off. while i am waiting for the girl, another asian customer next to me is having some issue with the waitress, seems he doesn't like the music and wants a cd to be played which he has carried with him. i tell him, he better speak to the dj at the back. my girl arrives and asks me if i am ready, vodka orange juice takes a second to swallow, i am done and we step out for our short walk to the hotel. i make sure i walk on the right hand side of ws, and intentionally stare at the baccara girls. get a few smiles from papa food man, pick my laundry from the reception, into the lift and.
we enter the room and miss b dives into the bed. i open the balcony door for some air, get a breezer and sit on the chair admiring her beautiful frame. she has grabbed most of the bed, lying diagonally, must be tired i think. i ask her if she fancies a foot massage for those tired feet. she raises her head a few inches from the pillow and nods. i get a face towel doused in warm water and give her a gentle scrub to the ankles and feet. move her feet a bit closer to the end of the bed so i can sit with my feet out, have my cigarette with one hand and massage her with the other. continue this for some time, not much words are coming her or sounds of relief. i begin to get worried, that she might just doze off so check the watch again. it's only 1 am, i let her rest move to the middle of the bed and do some accounts in my mini notebook on today's spending. suddenly, i feel these warm hands across my chest, miss b has woken up. she sees the numbers and am sure understood what i was upto. her hair touching my neck was an exquisite feeling. she asks me," why you give me massage, you laav me, here thailand man don't give massage". i reply back, that i thought she needed it.
her head is bobbing on my shoulder and i take advantage of the proximity. turn towards her and close my eyes, we kiss. we continue kissing, more kissing and just some more kissing. i am in no hurry to undress her, have inspected the goods already at the go go. she pulls me out of bed and into the shower undressing quickly. shit, i really enjoy doing that part, never mind i will get her later. she is curious at some of my cosmetics and i recommend she try the d&g body wash. she loves the smell and we give each other a great rub. the hot water runs out every 5 minutes or so we have to time the scrubs.
the kissing continues, all the way back from the shower to the bed. we make out, and go all the way, she is soft and gentle. no fake moans, no nonsense. kisses more when she is turned on, and knows what she wants in bed. this was better than an average boom boom. session done, we continue lazing in bed and watch some tv. she asks me about how much i pay for the room and says price is ok, but better i stay a bit further as girls knowing the short distance would be tempted to pull a runner. i tell her, i don't mind and it has happened before as well, god is watching and whatever happens, happens for good. i lie face down and open up a local magazine which i have brought along. she moves right on top of me and is in a hurry to turn the pages. she says,"your women biutiful". i say yaa, all woman in world biutiful. get up for a smoke, its nearing 3 am, so i ask her about our original plan of going to insomnia. she starts shaking her head like a child, so we head back for a quick shower. dressed and ready, we make the short walk to insomnia. she forgets her i'd at reception, great. she wanted to walk through ibar and see if any of her friends are around. i tell her it's too many "excuse me's" for me to get from one end to the other, so il get a drink and wait at the entrance. join up with some plum fella on the first few tables who is alone with his girl. he turns out be really young, a dane and courteous enough to do some talk rather than the usual first smile and then perpetual silence. miss d comes back and joins me, luckily the dane's girl and her don't know each other. otherwise the usual sidelining will happen with them talking yap yap and swallowing shooters while the only action you get is paying off each round. we decide to move up, and the dane is quite friendly and invites us to the vip which we do. i get the next round, and we are perched on a nice sofa near the bar. do some chit chat, and miss d wants to dance. upstairs just doesn't have the vibe to be dancing so we head down. the river of people carries us right to the middle. it's packed to the hilt and we do our best not to step onto each other or the people adjacent who keep changing with every passing minute. back to the vip, more vodka's, more talk. the dane is has girl sitting on him and getting good lip service. i had no idea you could do this so openly and blink mischievously to miss d. she takes my hand, and we move to the corner against the grill with the dance floor below. she whispers that she is a bit shy at this too, and we get ourselves entangled in a deep snog. junior is getting real excited and we decide to tell goodbye to the dane and head back to our room.
i am hungry again and drop into a 7-11 to get my favorite thai sea weed sandwich. entering the room, i am still not sleepy so spend the next 5 minutes undressing miss d and making love to her with my eyes. more kissing in bed, she asks me for a toothbrush, which i don't have. she gargles and brushes with her teeny fingers and is back in bed. we make love again, this time it doesn't last very long, me that is. we lie back in bed, first holding each other. then me selfishly turning away, lack of practice you see, my mind secretly making plans for the next day's activities.
BlygdTuktaren
09-16-13, 22:15
Visited the "themepark" a couple of weeks in August, Went out drinking in the bars first night, but since I've spend some time without women I almost felt like 16 again, at a party with you're 20-something friends of you're sister.
So for 3 nights I was only out drinking, chatting and played pool.
The third morning I was sitting in a restaurant to have some breakfast when I noticed a good looking and flirty girl outside a massage parlour on the opposite side of the street, I just felt I have to go there and check her out.
So, after I had finished breakfast I walked over and there she was, looks 9/10, charm / spirit 9/10. She gave me an hour oil massage well Worth the price of 300 B and when she finished I did not hesitate to ask for her number, I just felt that this is the girl who I'm going to do it with for the first time in quite a while.
She finished work 11 pm but I returned 10:45 and we hit the bars, chatted out and played some pool. That night I did not spend alone.
Was kinda little unused to spend the night with a woman and combined with the alcohol well, couldn't finish but shit happens, just go for it again and so we did the following night and by then things Went better.
She was happy with 1000 B the first night (LT) and still happy the second night with only 500 B, maybe she felt I had spend some time without women and wanted to make it up to me in a kind of way I don't know.
I told her I did not like the guesthouse I was staying at and that I was thinking of changing, then she told me I could stay at her place if I wanted to and I accepted.
Now I had both a place to stay, LT and GFE with quite a stunner and spirit who attracted me, for only 1000 B per night, hard to find a better deal I thought.
All in all I think I spend a week with her, but when she got her "Period", and at the same time I may have been starting to like her a little too much I did know I had to leave.
Anyway, she was not all shaved down there which I like a lot with women, the scent of pussy comes easier when they have some pubic hair I think, once you go hair. You'll never go bare.
Then I spend one night alone in a new guesthouse trying to get her out of my mind, it was not the easiest thing but I Think I came quite a bit the second night when I picked up Another massage girl, looks 7/10, personality 8/10 and sexual experience 9/10!
The "usual", bars, drinking and pool for a couple of hours, then we head to the guesthouse.
This girl was also hairy, Bingo! And down I went : p she did not even took a shower and the scent of her pussy sent me straight to heaven, making a rude dog out of me and soon enough I sent her to heaven with my tongue. The rubber got on, she bended over on all fours and the horny dog in me climbed on her with his tongue still hanging out .
She was moaning like she really got going and this must have been one of the best sex I had in my life. 15 min. Later I could not hold on no more and I released my load where it belongs.
Thailand have become my elixyr in Life, when I can't stand it no more back home and the lowseason comes, I know where to go.
I will end this FR with one question I hope someone have any knowledge about.
Due to what I've heard the minimum legal age of girls is 18, am I right?
If so, how come you have such a hard time finding girls who is 18 and 19 in the bars, the youngest I've spoken to in a bar was 20.
If it is legal due to what I've Heard where do you find 18-year Girls?
See you next year Thailand, but then for a whole month.
Due to what I've heard the minimum legal age of girls is 18, am I right?
If so, how come you have such a hard time finding girls who is 18 and 19 in the bars, the youngest I've spoken to in a bar was 20.
If it is legal due to what I've Heard where do you find 18-year Girls?
See you next year Thailand, but then for a whole month.An interesting post. You are probably more likely to find younger girls in the discos. I wouldn't know as neither interests me.
But just to clear some confusion, Thai girls don't sit around moping and waiting to turn 18 so they can start work as prostitutes. It generally isn't something they or their mothers dream about or plan as a career. Many are forced into it by circumstances, such as loss of their partner, or of course by the realisation after a few years' of work that there is easier money to be made.
Don't know your age, but I suspect most guys here would say you get the best service from girls in their mid-twenties, perhaps older.
Kudos to Mr. Malaya for a most excellent report. I very much enjoyed reading it.
Bunky
BlygdTuktaren
09-18-13, 11:07
An interesting post. You are probably more likely to find younger girls in the discos. I wouldn't know as neither interests me.
But just to clear some confusion, Thai girls don't sit around moping and waiting to turn 18 so they can start work as prostitutes. It generally isn't something they or their mothers dream about or plan as a career. Many are forced into it by circumstances, such as loss of their partner, or of course by the realisation after a few years' of work that there is easier money to be made.
Don't know your age, but I suspect most guys here would say you get the best service from girls in their mid-twenties, perhaps older.The discos ah okay, I will try those next year.
Ok, yes you are probably right about that, same for me actually, my dream as a teenager was not to have to travel to the other side of the World "just" to get to have sex with good looking girls and "plant my seed" in more than 5. 10 girls for my entire Life, but the years Went by without success with the girls back home, finally I had to realise that I just don't have what it takes (the charm) to pick up girls in the nightclubs back home.
That sucks, but sooner or later I had to accept reality and play with the cards I got in Life, a decent income of money that makes it possible for me to be the guy that get the girls, at least for 2. 4 weeks a year.
I'm in my late-twenties.
Gin And Tonic
09-19-13, 05:59
due to what i've heard the minimum legal age of girls is 18, am i right?
if so, how come you have such a hard time finding girls who is 18 and 19 in the bars, the youngest i've spoken to in a bar was 20.
if it is legal due to what i've heard where do you find 18-year girls?
see you next year thailand, but then for a whole month.[/quote]
believe the legal age for being on a bar is 20 there, working or not. if they are **** they will still say they are 20.
The discos ah okay, I will try those next year.
Ok, yes you are probably right about that, same for me actually, my dream as a teenager was not to have to travel to the other side of the World "just" to get to have sex with good looking girls and "plant my seed" in more than 5. 10 girls for my entire Life, but the years Went by without success with the girls back home, finally I had to realise that I just don't have what it takes (the charm) to pick up girls in the nightclubs back home.
That sucks, but sooner or later I had to accept reality and play with the cards I got in Life, a decent income of money that makes it possible for me to be the guy that get the girls, at least for 2. 4 weeks a year.
I'm in my late-twenties.It's not for me to give lonely-hearts advice, but for what it's worth, iit has always baffled me how anyone picks up a girl in a nightclub, or at least a girl that you might want to have a relationship with. Anyway, I guess I got lucky. But these days doesn't that new interweb thing provide 1001 ways to meet interesting girls back home?
CorporateMalaya
09-19-13, 10:13
Kudos to Mr. Malaya for a most excellent report. I very much enjoyed reading it.
Bunky2013 is turning out to be a bumper year, have just finished writing up the rest of the trip from August. New trip to Pattaya commencing on the 4th of October, look out for the live feed.
BlygdTuktaren
09-19-13, 12:37
believe the legal age for being on a bar is 20 there, working or not. if they are **** they will still say they are 20.ok i see. but it's still legal to pay for sex with a girl who is 18 then. if you find one in a disco or somewhere else.
it's not for me to give lonely-hearts advice, but for what it's worth, it has always baffled me how anyone picks up a girl in a nightclub, or at least a girl that you might want to have a relationship with. anyway, i guess i got lucky. but these days doesn't that new interweb thing provide 1001 ways to meet interesting girls back home?yeah, i think we / there are many guys who doesn't succeed with free one-night-stands or more with girls in nightclubs / bars or anywhere.
but, some guys have all the luck when it comes to woman, i had a friend who, when we hit the nightlife, every saturday night he almost always got to spend the night with a good looking girl, next weekend he was on the hunt again and the girls complained about him leaving them after they've slept with him the first night.
at least where i live (sweden) who is a feminist / socialist country, if you, like me, does not really have the charm / social skills, you are pretty much doomed to a lonely life here, at least if you don't want to settle down with a woman who slept around with 50 guys and have a kid at home while you compared to her will almost be a virgin. it's totally acceptable for women here to sleep around with the most charming guys and get pregnant at some point, but since these guys have a lot of women, there are many single mothers who raise their children alone and get full support both socially and financielly from the society from tax money.
naaw, i've tried the internet thing but it's same same as the nightlife. 1/3 of the guys get 2/3 of the women.
Overnight in Pattaya after a brief meeting on a Friday last week. I walked Soi 6 for the first time in years (like 2001 was the last time). Did my stroll, fight off the aggressive Lady boys here and there, eyes contact with a few young ones as I passed. At around 9pm, the street was practically dead, lots of girls, not too many punters. Walk passed Red Point, and spotted a nice smile and long legs with the come-hither look. Did my 180 and walked in, sat down on the couch, she followed me in and introduced herself. Short tight pink dress, hiked up almost to the round perfect bottom, and I was game. She spoke English very well, and I enjoyed the chat on the couch. The bar has 4 other guys, regulars who came to drink and hang out. Bought her a LD, messed around on the couch until I told her I'm ready. Up we go to the room, brand spanking new, extremely clean, nice towels and very comfortable bed!
She is very friendly, and told me straight up that she would do anything except anal. Fuck me! And well, we did. For 30+ minutes, it was a great fuck with a young and beautiful girl. Price is 1,000 THB, and I believe she will get this price for her hotness. I ain't complaining. There were 2-3 others in the bar that also pushes the hotness look. I like the place.
Place: Red Point Bar.
Name: Aey
Face: 8/10 (very pretty, braces)
Age : late teens early 20s.
Height: 1. 65m (long legs, great round butt)
Body: 9/10 (firmed, flat stomach, shaved, long legs, perfect curve butt, nice feet)
Boobs: Natural B cup. 33ish.
BBJ: 9/10 (deep throat, face-fuck allowed, balls sucking). CIM after all positions!
FJ: 9/10 (Missionary, sideway, power drill, She came during CG)
DATY: allowed, clean, shapely pussy.
Butt: curvy round and fucking awesome during doggy.
GFE: 8/10 (full on French & tongue play, nice soft lips)
Damage: 1,000 THB. 350 THB for brand new very nice room.
WIR: Most definitely!
SNIPPED.
Naaw, I've tried the internet thing but it's same same as the nightlife. 1/3 of the guys get 2/3 of the women.Ahh. With all due respect maybe it is you. I am not 20 / something like yourself. I am 60 / something and I have more than I can handle and it ain't because of my money or package. Neither is large. Its all in ones attitude!
BlygdTuktaren
09-19-13, 16:59
Ahh. With all due respect maybe it is you. I am not 20 / something like yourself. I am 60 / something and I have more than I can handle and it ain't because of my money or package. Neither is large. Its all in ones attitude!May be that it's me, or at least that I have a part in it, in that case well, sorry I don't got the same high self-esteem as you did.
Still can't understand what you're doing in a forum about P4P if you have more than you can handle for free, it doesn't make any sense at all if you ask me.
Wolvenvacht
09-19-13, 19:41
(...) if you, like me, does not really have the charm / social skills, you are pretty much doomed to a lonely life here, at least if you don't want to settle down with a woman who slept around with 50 guys and have a kid at home while you compared to her will almost be a virgin.I fail to see what is the problem or do you mean that women should not sleep around, but men are allowed to? Who cares about the 50+ guys she slept around with, as long as she now sleeps with you?
Will be in Pattaya next month. I go for the fun and the women.
When I was young, I would pull many women out of clubs and would meet them in other places. I then went to Korea and the women were cheap and no drama.
I pesonally don't like dating and don't want to sit around listening to some hags problems when I can be with a hot babe that will fuck my brains out for a little money. Best part afterwards she leaves.
Those that like to date go for it, but I have better relationships with working girls because we know where we stand.
Date a lot, that leaves more P4P for me.
My advice is if you are fucking hot babes for less then the cost of dinner and a movie, you are one of the chosen.
Be happy and enjoy.
Tellall
Jack Of Spades
09-19-13, 22:16
Hi,
Please allow me to use my first post on this forum to say a huge thank you to those of you that go to incredible efforts to provide such detailed reports of your experiences.
I have been reading this forum for a while, and as a result of the quality information available here am now looking forward to my first mongering "adventure".
I will be visiting Bangkok / Pattaya for three weeks in November and can only hope that I can emulate the standard of reports already posted.
Big thanks!
Jack Spade
BlygdTuktaren
09-19-13, 22:26
I fail to see what is the problem or do you mean that women should not sleep around, but men are allowed to? Who cares about the 50+ guys she slept around with, as long as she now sleeps with you?Well, if you ask me when it comes to relationships I would not want to (try to) settle down with a promiscuos woman, whether she's an ex prostitute or slept around of promiscuity, maybe even worse if it did not involved money, then it's her nature / personality.
Member #4387
09-19-13, 23:55
May be that it's me, or at least that I have a part in it, in that case well, sorry I don't got the same high self-esteem as you did.
Still can't understand what you're doing in a forum about P4P if you have more than you can handle for free, it doesn't make any sense at all if you ask me.Hm what does not make sense? I am sure jgm can answer for him self but maby he is like many others members I would think. I think the use of a sexforum in general and ISG in particular does not tell anything regarding how easily guys can pick up girls and vica versa. I think it only tells something about a common interest in life (sex and girls). Knowing a few members I would say my impression from that is that atleast they would have no problem meeting girls in the old fashion way. What attracts us is the freedom in choosing new pussy almost everyday (and we know from reading this forum we have lots of different styles to obtain this).
To do some more or less qualified speculations I would guess all the members in ISG would cover almost all types of human beeings. And for sure there will be some out there having no choice but to deal with P4P (sad for them I might add).
I guess there are many like me as well having no trouble playing in my own backyard (back home) if that was my only option and what I wanted. Beeing a world traveler it is on the other hand convenient for me to use ISG to get some headsup what is cooking around in my next destination. This forum is crowded with good info and it is good entertainment as well. I have enough pussy out there and probably more than I can handle as well. I even have a gf back home. My problem is I have high libido and I get tired from the same pussy after only a few weeks realy. I want new pussy all the time. So even if it might sounds odd, fucking a lot of other pussies out there, makes my gf's stand out as almost new when I return home, hehe. I guess there are others out there with simular thoughts.
Mr Enternational
09-20-13, 02:26
I think the use of a sexforum in general and ISG in particular does not tell anything regarding how easily guys can pick up girls and vica versa. I think it only tells something about a common interest in life (sex and girls). Knowing a few members I would say my impression from that is that atleast they would have no problem meeting girls in the old fashion way. What attracts us is the freedom in choosing new pussy almost everyday (and we know from reading this forum we have lots of different styles to obtain this).I stopped in to a bar on Walking Street the other night with another forum member. I decided that I would like to have one of the waitresses for the night. She said you pay bar fine? I started laughing. I told her that I live here and I have never paid a bar fine. But I would see her LT for 1000 after the bar closed at 3. She said you know too much. She said she would meet me under the Walking Street sign at 3:20, after they cleaned up.
We went to check out a couple of agogos then it was time to go meet the lady. I arrived under the sign at 3:23. She was not there. I called her and she did not answer. She called me back immediately. She said she had been at the meeting spot at 3:20, but I was not there so she thought I was full of shit and she went home. I told her to have patience. She arrived again in 8 minutes and off we were to my place.
We when got to my place she asked why I pay her, because she was sure I could have any woman without giving them money. I showed her some text messages from a businesswoman in Bangkok whose mother is a retired doctor. She was insisting to come spend time with me in Pattaya the next day, but I refused. I explained to my date that if I allow this girl to come from Bangkok she will stay and I could never get her to leave if I wanted to be alone. If I want you to leave then I just give you money and tell you that you can go now. She thought about it for a minute then said yes that is very true.
I went to take a shower and no sooner than I could plop down on the bed, she had her tongue half way up my ass. She's a keeper!
Mr Enternational
09-20-13, 03:51
Me and a wingman went by Skeeter's the other night. We sat down and ordered some beers. He told us that he would be back shortly to make burgers but he was in the middle of buying Red Light Bar next door. The cashier passed him what looked to be 4 stacks of 100,000 baht and he left out. He came back in later and rang the bell to celebrate. He said he would knock the wall down to extend Sky Bar and do some remodeling.
The strange thing is that I was just in Sky Bar a month ago, but I knew not one of the girls who was there this time. They were all new. I asked him about it. He said that in the past 10 months 11 girls have gotten married and moved to Europe. He said he would be glad when they break up so they can bring their asses back to work. I had no idea guys were coming marrying bar girls like that.
LittleBigMan
09-20-13, 06:32
Me and a wingman went by Skeeter's the other night. We sat down and ordered some beers. He told us that he would be back shortly to make burgers but he was in the middle of buying Red Light Bar next door. The cashier passed him what looked to be 4 stacks of 100, 000 baht and he left out. He came back in later and rang the bell to celebrate. He said he would knock the wall down to extend Sky Bar and do some remodeling.
The strange thing is that I was just in Sky Bar a month ago, but I knew not one of the girls who was there this time. They were all new. I asked him about it. He said that in the past 10 months 11 girls have gotten married and moved to Europe. He said he would be glad when they break up so they can bring their asses back to work. I had no idea guys were coming marrying bar girls like that.What is amazing is that it seems on the surface so easy for a Thai to get a visit to go to Europe married or not? Try doing that to the USA and it is like pulling teeth if not impossible?
LBM
Wolvenvacht
09-20-13, 07:20
Well, if you ask me when it comes to relationships I would not want to (try to) settle down with a promiscuos woman, whether she's an ex prostitute or slept around of promiscuity, maybe even worse if it did not involved money, then it's her nature / personality.Don't you think women will think the same of men? Or is male promiscuity "different" somehow? If you think that I can see where your problems with relationships are coming from.
I like skeeter, he makes some amazing drinks. Some I don't know the names of but still good.
This board makes my case for me. Go have fun, have sex and then go home. I am glad it is hard to bring a Ho' to the US. You should know better.
You can aways find a loser in your own country, no need to export.
Tellall
Mr Enternational
09-20-13, 09:55
What is amazing is that it seems on the surface so easy for a Thai to get a visit to go to Europe married or not? Try doing that to the USA and it is like pulling teeth if not impossible?
LBMWhen I went to book with my taxi lady there was a stand-in guy there instead. He said that she had gone to Bangkok to the Norwegian embassy because her daughter was obtaining a visa for Norway.
Mr Enternational
09-20-13, 10:01
Don't you think women will think the same of men? Or is male promiscuity "different" somehow? If you think that I can see where your problems with relationships are coming from.It's different. Men are expected to sow wild oats. Women are not expected to have many wild oats sown into them. So the question remains, who are the men supposed to be fucking if the women aren't expected to fuck too?
And for sure there will be some out there having no choice but to deal with P4P (sad for them I might add).My ' guesstimation' is that its more like 80. Just read between the lines or in this case read between the posts (or the post itself in many cases). Our new friend with the silly name is a case in point. Like the old saying 'can't get laid in a women's prison with a fistful of pardons'.
The remainder I believe is divided between sex addicts who can't possibly satisfy the urge through conventional means (just not enough time or energy, etc.) and those like me who just can't stand to listen to the little idiots talk and talk and talk after the deed.
I pay them to leave. I much prefer my own company to that of someone with nothing more to offer than a warm body and needs, and needs, and needs. I can easily pay for that.
My ' guesstimation' is that its more like 80.80 percent.
NeverJerkOff
09-20-13, 17:10
My ' guesstimation' is that its more like 80. Just read between the lines or in this case read between the posts (or the post itself in many cases). Our new friend with the silly name is a case in point. Like the old saying 'can't get laid in a women's prison with a fistful of pardons'.
The remainder I believe is divided between sex addicts who can't possibly satisfy the urge through conventional means (just not enough time or energy, etc.) and those like me who just can't stand to listen to the little idiots talk and talk and talk after the deed.
I pay them to leave. I much prefer my own company to that of someone with nothing more to offer than a warm body and needs, and needs, and needs. I can easily pay for that.Right. You always do that long time because you prefer to be alone. We should all travel 10,000 miles to bust a nut and sit in a room.
Nothing more to offer? For starters, how about a new language that over 80 million people speak. I am constantly improving my Thai from my sex adventures and can tell you it goes places your wallet can not.
And don't talk about the sex on a sex forum. I'm in the business of getting pussy so there is no such thing as too much information to me.
When I went to book with my taxi lady there was a stand-in guy there instead. He said that she had gone to Bangkok to the Norwegian embassy because her daughter was obtaining a visa for Norway.Some girls go to Norway to work there for some time. It is a tight working scheme.
Wolvenvacht
09-20-13, 19:21
What is amazing is that it seems on the surface so easy for a Thai to get a visit to go to Europe married or not? Try doing that to the USA and it is like pulling teeth if not impossible?
LBMDon't forget that Europe is many countries, but the visa you get is for all Schengen-countries, so there is actually a certain form of competition between the embassies in Thailand. If one country is too difficult to grant a visa, people will simply apply to other embassies. Don't forget that each embassy charges a fee for the visa (easily a few thousand baht) so no embassy / country will want to loose that income since it will not keep the Thai out of their country.
Also Thai are not known for becoming illegal immigrants.
As far as the USA is concerned, they have become so paranoid that it seems they consider everyone trying to visit them is assumed a terrorist or illegal alien unless proven otherwise.
JesseJames
09-20-13, 20:28
As far as the USA is concerned, they have become so paranoid that it seems they consider everyone trying to visit them is assumed a terrorist or illegal alien unless proven otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Paranoid with good reason. Boston bombers. 9/11, Fort Hood massacre, Times Square attempted bomber, etc. Not to mention 100s of foiled attempts of terrorism. Mostly done by some kind of immigrant. I want to keep out the terrorists since I don't want my legs blown off. Americans want Immigration to assume everyone is a terrorist and, if in doubt, kick them out. There's a plethora of immigrants in the USA, so it is not impossible, to gain entry.
Paranoid with good reason.Yep, got to watch those young Thai girls and keep them out! And the sexier they are the more dangerous, right Jesse? Glad your on board.
I will be visiting Bangkok / Pattaya for three weeks in November and can only hope that I can emulate the standard of reports already posted.- I can't PM (private message) you since you're not a Senior Member on ISG. I recommend paying the $20 / yr for membership as you'll have PM ability and more importantly, ability to view photos posted by BMs (board members).
- I'm in Patts 2. 30 Nov (my 2013 Trip 4) and will be staying at WS (Walking Street) Soi BJ Jasmine Hotel. Once I'm there you can reach me via Thai mobile 091-583-2295 or PM (if you have PM ability). Not allowed by ISG to post my e-mail address.
- I was in Patts 9 Aug. 11 Sep (2013 Trip 3) and will complete / post my TR (trip report) by 30 Sep.
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LittleBigMan
09-21-13, 03:30
As far as the USA is concerned, they have become so paranoid that it seems they consider everyone trying to visit them is assumed a terrorist or illegal alien unless proven otherwise.Paranoid with good reason. Boston bombers. 9/11, Fort Hood massacre, Times Square attempted bomber, etc. Not to mention 100s of foiled attempts of terrorism. Mostly done by some kind of immigrant. I want to keep out the terrorists since I don't want my legs blown off. Americans want Immigration to assume everyone is a terrorist and, if in doubt, kick them out.
There's a plethora of immigrants in the USA, so it is not impossible, to gain entry.[/QUOTE]
This all so true but from my interview in 2005-06, when I spoke to the American Representative regarding my request for my wife which we had been married for a number of years I was told point blank the reason. She told me why am I not applying for a Visa for her to Immigrate this would be much easier. I told her if it was my intent to live in the USA with her I would have but my intent is to live in Thailand. Why is that so hard for you to understand? She said now your passport doesn't reflect your Thailand is your " democile " I said I have been working in the USA and just now retired and here is all my documentation including a letter from the a Congressman head of the foreign affairs division detailing my story and a copy of the Fax receipt of this letter forwarded to the Ambassador of Thailand. She refuse to read the letter and told me basically I couldn't care less who the letter was from and reply the reason given to me was she didn't believe what I was saying and that there are many guys like you who take women to Thailand to work in massage parlors etc. And once they are there overstayed and hire lawyers to fight the return and this cost the govenment lots of money! And again respond " if you read the letter you would understand that isn't my intent " she just said interview over sorry!
I walked outside and once I got my phone I called back to the USA as to the results, I was asked to give them a few weeks and I will get a call back. Several weeks later got a call from the USA and told to go to the Emb, in Bangkok and see so and so, walked out a hour later with the Visa and a simple sorry from the Interviewer.
In the end, I don't really blame them because our immigration system does need reform especially in the area of enforcement?
LBM
NomadicMong
09-21-13, 05:20
Looking for a new twist, took a girl from Angeles City Philippines to Pattaya to show what is missing in AC. What an experience indeed.
In particular, making her do the the hand workout with XZone girls was a wonderful scene to remember. For sure, AC girls are different from Thai and in particular Pats girls.
I had good time with lesbo in Body Shop. Great bunch of girls to entertain and do what ever you want them to do for you.
Shark was surprisingly good. Bar was quite considering it is upstairs. But that allows you to go beyond normal boundaries.
Baccara was boring as always.
Devils Den quality is still down. Sad. They need some fresh blood there.
As last time, stayed in LK Ren in LK Metro.
As far as the USA is concerned, they have become so paranoid that it seems they consider everyone trying to visit them is assumed a terrorist or illegal alien unless proven otherwise.
Paranoid with good reason. Boston bombers. 9/11, Fort Hood massacre, Times Square attempted bomber, etc. Not to mention 100s of foiled attempts of terrorism. Mostly done by some kind of immigrant. I want to keep out the terrorists since I don't want my legs blown off. Americans want Immigration to assume everyone is a terrorist and, if in doubt, kick them out. There's a plethora of immigrants in the USA, so it is not impossible, to gain entry.
That's ridiculous.
If the United States government didn't aspire to be policeman for the entire planet and maintain military bases in hundreds of nations all over the globe, meddling into the affairs of other sovereign nations, we wouldn't have any foreign terrorists to worry about.
The real terrorists don't have much problem getting in, nor do the tens of thousands of Mexicans who come illegally every year.
Fat chance indeed of you getting your legs blown off by a Thai bar girl terrorist. The Thai's don't have any beef with the USA, so there is no such thing as a Thai terrorist out to blow up people in America. Why would any reasonable immigration authority be in doubt about that?
The plain fact is that the USA government coddles and caters to the illegal immigrants flooding the country and sucking up its resources, and then won't allow even tourist visas for honest law abiding visitors, such as pretty Thai girls, much less immigration visas for them.
As far as the USA is concerned, they have become so paranoid that it seems they consider everyone trying to visit them is assumed a terrorist or illegal alien unless proven otherwise.
Paranoid with good reason. Boston bombers. 9/11, Fort Hood massacre, Times Square attempted bomber, etc. Not to mention 100s of foiled attempts of terrorism. Mostly done by some kind of immigrant. I want to keep out the terrorists since I don't want my legs blown off. Americans want Immigration to assume everyone is a terrorist and, if in doubt, kick them out. There's a plethora of immigrants in the USA, so it is not impossible, to gain entry.
You forgot to add Oklahoma City, and of course the Fort Hood killer was born in the USA (but I agree funny skin colour, so that counts). And 100s of foiled attempts? Also by people with funny skin colour presumably? Mind you, half you guys think the US government blew up the Twin Towers, and Obama is a Muslim, right?
You forgot to add Oklahoma City, and of course the Fort Hood killer was born in the USA (but I agree funny skin colour, so that counts). And 100s of foiled attempts? Also by people with funny skin colour presumably? Mind you, half you guys think the US government blew up the Twin Towers, and Obama is a Muslim, right?And the new Miss America of Indian origin is an ARAB!
Slim
Mr Enternational
09-21-13, 08:49
I walked outside and once I got my phone I called back to the USA as to the results, I was asked to give them a few weeks and I will get a call back. Several weeks later got a call from the USA and told to go to the Emb, in Bangkok and see so and so, walked out a hour later with the Visa and a simple sorry from the Interviewer.
In the end, I don't really blame them because our immigration system does need reform especially in the area of enforcement?Not to mention, you could be granted a visa by the embassy or consulate, but it is still immigration's call as to whether you are allowed to enter the country or not. Woe is the person who has paid for tickets and made all kinds of reservations, and flown to the other side of the world, only to be turned away at the door.
Wolvenvacht
09-21-13, 09:08
Paranoid with good reason. Boston bombers. 9/11, Fort Hood massacre, Times Square attempted bomber, etc. Not to mention 100s of foiled attempts of terrorism. Mostly done by some kind of immigrant.When you look it that way, I have to agree: with the exception of the Native Indians, everyone is an immigrant in the USA if you go back a few generations.
Mr Enternational
09-21-13, 09:17
When you look it that way, I have to agree: with the exception of the Native Indians, everyone is an immigrant in the USA if you go back a few generations.The natives who are actually the present day Mexicans? They are just coming to get their shit back a little at a time; not swiftly and in a big chunk as the Israelis got theirs from Great Britain.
Wolvenvacht
09-21-13, 09:23
The natives who are actually the present day Mexicans?I was actually thinking more of the Apaches, Sioux and such, you know, from the "Cowboy and Indians" games we played as a kid.
Mr Enternational
09-21-13, 09:56
Last month when I was going down Walking Street with my dad I briefly met a woman of my dreams. I told her that I would definitely get with her later. What stood out most was her rack. Later determined to be of the 36F variety. Last week I saw her in the disco and I grabbed her and told her that she would be coming with me that night. It's funny just how insecure many of these women are. For she, like many before her, questioned my sincerity. I had to reinforce it. Look don't you go ANYWHERE without me, because you are coming with me tonight.
When the time came to leave she told me where her car was parked. Since my motorbike was right outside I gave her a ride to her vehicle. Damn, a big ass pick-up truck. And pretty damn new at that. When we got to my place she ran her story by me. 29, no kids. She was married to a guy from England for 7 years and they had businesses together in a couple of cities. When they recently broke up she signed everything back over to him and told him that she didn't want any of it. (How often do you hear it work out this way?) Evidently she kept the truck though.
I did something with this girl that I haven't done in quite a long time. I stayed in bed with her until 5pm. Well not straight, because there was a time when I went out to get lunch and she stayed there asleep. But when I returned home, right back into the be I went. It fucked up my whole day, but it was worth it.
After all the deeds were done and we were relaxing enjoying each other's company, she said I'm sorry. I said okay. She said do you know why I'm apologizing? I said no. She said because I was on my period last night and I let you take me anyway. Huh? Not that it matters in the least bit to me. Then I remembered. I told her of my ex who is a taxi driver in Bangkok that used to use the damn thing to block the blood flow, but she would never let me see it. I said that I know you could buy it at the pharmacy. This girl informed me that some salons sell them as well. After a couple of minutes I was able to convince her to let me see it. She went into the bathroom for a while then came back out. She said that is why she wasn't really wet, because it soaks the wetness up. She said sometimes blood will be on the tip of the condom. I guess that is why she was racing to take the condom off of me the times that we finished.
I told her that I would probably want her to go on a trip to the Maldives with me soon. She said that she didn't have any money to do that. I told her to leave that to me. The truth is that I get tired of doing shit alone all of the time and she has proved to be great company. She still insists that if it costs too much that she does not want to go because she does not want me to have to spend much money. This girl is definitely a keeper.
Side Note: Her friend kept calling her throughout the day. Eventually she told me that her friend went with one of my friends (who I did not even know was in town. So how the hell did they know it was my friend?. Their network is a MF.) She said they negotiated to the standard price of 1000 LT, but when they got to the hotel my friend wanted to change the deal to 800 LT. Eventually I figured out who the friend was. I said I was going to clown his ass when I saw him. And I thought I was a Cheap Charlie.
Mr Enternational
09-21-13, 10:08
I met and went to dinner with a woman who is an assistant director at a beauty clinic. Dinner came to 543 baht. Somehow we got on the subject of tipping. She said that she is Thai so usually she does not give tips. She said when she goes to get a massage she will tip the person 100 baht because they work so hard. And the same for the person at the salon who does her nails. I paid for our dinner with a 1000 baht bill. She said next time she would pay. When the change came back I gave her the book and said okay now how much would you leave for this waitress. She said since I liked her...she gave me my change leaving 37 baht in the book (which figures to be 6.8%.)
Side Note: Just to say again it's funny how being a foreigner you have the mindset that Thais know their fellow countrymen. But that could not be farther from the case. The girl I was with asked the waitress if she was Thai. She thought that she may have been Filipina. She was indeed Thai though.
LittleBigMan
09-21-13, 10:37
Not to mention, you could be granted a visa by the embassy or consulate, but it is still immigration's call as to whether you are allowed to enter the country or not. Woe is the person who has paid for tickets and made all kinds of reservations, and flown to the other side of the world, only to be turned away at the door.This is partially true but one a Thai as the example we are using must get be given the permission by the USA Embassy in Bangkok which is why one goes through the process. The stamp or sticker is place in the passport and information is all placed in the data base for Immigration. If you go to a travel agent to buy your ticket if they know what they are doing will make sure you actually have permission before they even sell you the ticket. If not, a travel agent the staff when you check in will in this case Thai National look at the passport to make sure that permission is given before you even are issue a boarding pass. The you have another two line of defense which is the Thai Immigration and once through it finally the USA Immigration. Without the permission or stamp / sticker I doubt you would get out of the airport in Thailand. Every Immigration check stop this is what they are looking for and the few questions they ask by our immigration unless a red flag comes you are in.
At least that was my own experience in 2007.
LBM
LittleBigMan
09-21-13, 10:47
That's ridiculous.
If the United States government didn't aspire to be policeman for the entire planet and maintain military bases in hundreds of nations all over the globe, meddling into the affairs of other sovereign nations, we wouldn't have any foreign terrorists to worry about.
The real terrorists don't have much problem getting in, nor do the tens of thousands of Mexicans who come illegally every year.
Fat chance indeed of you getting your legs blown off by a Thai bar girl terrorist. The Thai's don't have any beef with the USA, so there is no such thing as a Thai terrorist out to blow up people in America. Why would any reasonable immigration authority be in doubt about that?
The plain fact is that the USA government coddles and caters to the illegal immigrants flooding the country and sucking up its resources, and then won't allow even tourist visas for honest law abiding visitors, such as pretty Thai girls, much less immigration visas for them.That is the way I think although there are plenty of problems down south they take don't want you to know about. I live now on Nernpludwan which is considered Muslim road. Never had a problem with them seem to be like every other Thai all their men are going around fucking anything they are a allow to get their hands on. Break all the rules like the rest of them butterfly etc. In their religion and still pray like the world was coming to an end asking for forgiveness like every other religion. If I meet a girl in a bar and she tells me she is Muslim everything is off the table for me I don't care how much of a stunner she might be and how cheap or what I'm gone! My sister in-law is one and I hate her guts and she knows it told her to her face you better hope I die first because if my brother does you are on you ficking own and I don't care if my nephew or nieces suffer I won't look back.
LBM
That is the way I think although there are plenty of problems down south they take don't want you to know about. I live now on Nernpludwan which is considered Muslim road. Never had a problem with them seem to be like every other Thai all their men are going around fucking anything they are a allow to get their hands on. Break all the rules like the rest of them butterfly etc. In their religion and still pray like the world was coming to an end asking for forgiveness like every other religion. If I meet a girl in a bar and she tells me she is Muslim everything is off the table for me I don't care how much of a stunner she might be and how cheap or what I'm gone! My sister in-law is one and I hate her guts and she knows it told her to her face you better hope I die first because if my brother does you are on you ficking own and I don't care if my nephew or nieces suffer I won't look back.
LBMYou don't know what you miss out. The Indonesian Muslim girls are the lay of the century with very little exceptions. They wear scarves during the day and then text you how they like to suck you. In Hong Kong that is.
My sister in-law is one and I hate her guts and she knows it told her to her face you better hope I die first because if my brother does you are on you ficking own and I don't care if my nephew or nieces suffer I won't look back.
LBMAnd totally irrelevant to f*ck*ng in Thailand.
At least your brother has a chance of one or two of the 73 virgins whilst your future look rather hotter than most.
Back to Pattaya.
Paul Kausch
09-21-13, 17:57
You don't know what you miss out. The Indonesian Muslim girls are the lay of the century with very little exceptions. They wear scarves during the day and then text you how they like to suck you. In Hong Kong that is.Lived in Semarang, Central Java off an on from about 2003 to 2007. My experiences with the Javanese girls was the same as yours. They were the sweetest girls, cute as hell, wore low cut skin tight jeans, tight tee shirts that exposed their belly buttons and colorful scarfs to cover their heads. They claimed to be Muslims but never observed the call to prayers, fucked like little rabbits and loved to suck cocks. Semarang is no mongering destination, but the Javanese girls are fantastic. Jakarta is worth checking out. Lots of good info on ISG thread. Currency is dropping like a rock. Maybe a good bargain.
LittleBigMan
09-22-13, 01:50
And totally irrelevant to f*ck*ng in Thailand.
At least your brother has a chance of one or two of the 73 virgins whilst your future look rather hotter than most.
Back to Pattaya.That is obvious you problem with everything! My brother has been here over 12 years never once has he ever dip his stick into another women in Thailand period. The relevants here is dipping which in your simple definition f*cking and has produce through her Muslim lying ass a bunch of kids.
Get over it there are no Muslim virgins are far as Pattaya goes and some might think I'm missing out on something I have no intent in fucking a women in a black tent no matter how good it is what I don't experience I don't miss!
Now I'll be the first to admit I have a personal problem with Muslim! All this talk about Jakarta and so forth might be true but aren't we on the Thailand Thread which I'm referring to Muslim women here.
Scorchin, you seem to have a real problem when someone says something that you don't like personally get over it you M.O. is very obvious you are constantly looking for a fight from your responds.
LBM
Member #4698
09-22-13, 02:54
There is a big difference culturally, physically, ethnically between Indonesian women and Middle Eastern women. Indonesian girls are attractive, sexy, passionate, and highly doable. I can't say the same for the Middle Eastern variety.
LBM, what is it about your sister in law that turns you off to all Muslim Thai and possibly Indonesian girls? Is the problem part of her cultural way of thinking and behaving or is she just a b*tch on to herself? I've met some very wonderful Indonesian girls who were great shags and a lot of fun to be with. To my knowledge I have never been with a Muslim Thai girl so at present I wouldn't reject a sexy Muslim Thai girl all else being equal and out of curiosity. But I would like to know what it is about them that turns you off. Personally, I can't see myself ever settling down with a Muslim Thai or Indonesian girl, let alone having kids with her. I could live with the Buddha long term though. Intellectually I like the Buddha and I like the cultural effect Buddhism has on its people.
BlygdTuktaren
09-22-13, 07:07
My ' guesstimation' is that its more like 80 percent. Just read between the lines or in this case read between the posts (or the post itself in many cases). Our new friend with the silly name is a case in point. Like the old saying 'can't get laid in a women's prison with a fistful of pardons'.
The remainder I believe is divided between sex addicts who can't possibly satisfy the urge through conventional means (just not enough time or energy, etc.) and those like me who just can't stand to listen to the little idiots talk and talk and talk after the deed.
I pay them to leave. I much prefer my own company to that of someone with nothing more to offer than a warm body and needs, and needs, and needs. I can easily pay for that.I think you're guesstimation is quite accurate, if I got you right as to say due to that I'm not a 100 percent when it comes to the English language.
But anyway, my own guesstimation when it comes to guys like me who pay prostitutes for one night stands is that we may very well be attractive for women when it comes to settle down with a man in a long term relationship.
But, before women seek a long term relationship, many women, at least in the western world like to sleep around with the most charming and attractive guys, and even if I don't like it, why wouldn't they?
These men are more than willing to sleep around for a night or a shorter period with many women, after a shorter period if not one night, these men are on the hunt again for new women to conquer, one of my friends was this kind of man for example.
The women may very well want to settle down with these top notch / alpha males, but as the years go by they realise that in most cases this will never happen, these alpha males just have to many women to choose from and will almost to never settle down with an average woman which the women realize after a while and settle down with an average man instead.
When money is not involved our humans sex life is not much different from what's shown on the channel Animal planet where the strongest / most attractive male get to inseminate most of the females while the average or less strong / attractive males will have a poor sex life.
Very much is written on this topic throughout the internet, some call it the 80/20 rule which means that 20 percent of the men get to sleep around with 80 percent of the women in the free western world, I may think that is a little way out, but it's got some truth in it, and more is written on the topic of PUA which means Pick Up Artist, some are naturals, some can learn and some, like myself feels fuck it! And book a flight to Thailand instead.
Thank God for the money, poor women and ISG.
LittleBigMan
09-22-13, 13:02
There is a big difference culturally, physically, ethnically between Indonesian women and Middle Eastern women. Indonesian girls are attractive, sexy, passionate, and highly doable. I can't say the same for the Middle Eastern variety.
LBM, what is it about your sister in law that turns you off to all Muslim Thai and possibly Indonesian girls? Is the problem part of her cultural way of thinking and behaving or is she just a be*tch on to herself? I've met some very wonderful Indonesian girls who were great shags and a lot of fun to be with. To my knowledge I have never been with a Muslim Thai girl so at present I wouldn't reject a sexy Muslim Thai girl all else being equal and out of curiosity. But I would like to know what it is about them that turns you off. Personally, I can't see myself ever settling down with a Muslim Thai or Indonesian girl, let alone having kids with her. I could live with the Buddha long term though. Intellectually I like the Buddha and I like the cultural effect Buddhism has on its people.As I noted it on me about Muslim, call it racist or whatever on my part but I guess you would say as noted she a lying be*tch and everyone of her friends and especially her whole family is just like her. So I guess I have taken her and her family as the standard to dislike and it just bugs me that everything that comes out of her mouth is Koran this Koran that as if this is the only way to live yet she a lying, dishonest and it seem everyone associate with her and family is just the same a bunch of lazy bunch of freeloaders
Yes, my comments are ignorant and I have no idea what a Indo women can do in bed but I'm talking about Thailand and as far as I'm concern here I have too many choices that go with a Muslim women. I don't say or do anything mean to those who I don't know I just rather not have anything to do with them here.
Sorry if my comments offend others but I'm just be honest as to how I feel.
LBM
Member #4698
09-22-13, 13:38
As I noted it on me about Muslim, call it racist or whatever on my part but I guess you would say as noted she a lying be*tch and everyone of her friends and especially her whole family is just like her. So I guess I have taken her and her family as the standard to dislike and it just bugs me that everything that comes out of her mouth is Koran this Koran that as if this is the only way to live yet she a lying, dishonest and it seem everyone associate with her and family is just the same a bunch of lazy bunch of freeloaders
Yes, my comments are ignorant and I have no idea what a Indo women can do in bed but I'm talking about Thailand and as far as I'm concern here I have too many choices that go with a Muslim women. I don't say or do anything mean to those who I don't know I just rather not have anything to do with them here.
Sorry if my comments offend others but I'm just be honest as to how I feel.
LBMYour first hand comments do not offend me nor do I find them ignorant. I do find religious zealotry and intolerance as practiced by "devout" Muslims intolerable and dangerous. 90% of all conflicts going on in the world at present involves Islam in some way. 99% of all terrorists acts commited in the last 15 years involves Islam. No clear thinking individual can ignore these facts of modern life. Now I like Indonesian girls. They are fun, but I reiterate my position, that no way would I ever settle down with a Muslim Women or live in a Muslim Country.
Nobody articulated the problem with Islam better than Winston Churchill way back in 1899:
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
In a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many
Countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods
Of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet
Rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the
Next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as
His absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must
Delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased.
To be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid
Qualities. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social
Development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists
In the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and
Proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa,
Raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity
Is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it
Had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell
The civilization of ancient Rome."
Good to know, PK. I'm going to Bali for a conference in 2015 and hope to slide into several sexy ones as you described. Regarding the "Muslim discussion" I met a busty DIA Indo Christian girl when I was in Jakarta last year and the second time she brought a younger even bustier Indo Muslim girl and the three of us had a great time.
Side Note: Just to say again it's funny how being a foreigner you have the mindset that Thais know their fellow countrymen.That is SO true. And while we sometimes like to say the Thais do this or the Thais do that, the fact is that the Thais do all kinds of things. It's no easier to generalize about them than about farang (which of course a lot of Thais like to do too).
Bottom line: stay sensitive to the situation and learn to improvise. Trying to make up rules and then follow them just doesn't work too well here.
Paul Kausch
09-22-13, 17:35
Now I like Indonesian girls. They are fun, but I reiterate my position, that no way would I ever settle down with a Muslim Women or live in a Muslim Country.
Natty, you are so right. I loved the Indonesian ladies; and the average Indonesian whom I encountered as individuals and in small groups on a daily basis were very nice; but I found the society as a whole difficult to deal with and the government impossible. You think Thailand can be frustrating. Go live in Indonesia for a while.
Paul Kausch
09-22-13, 17:43
Good to know, PK. I'm going to Bali for a conference in 2015 and hope to slide into several sexy ones as you described. Regarding the "Muslim discussion" I met a busty DIA Indo Christian girl when I was in Jakarta last year and the second time she brought a younger even bustier Indo Muslim girl and the three of us had a great time.Bali and Java are two very different cultures. A plethora has been written on the subject. It's worth it to plan a stop for a few days in Jakarta. The city is terrible and the mongering scene is totally different than Thailand. There is nothing like Soi Cowboy or Walking street. There are clubs and entertainment centers that are filled with P4P girls, pros and semipros. You can also find some pretty sophisticated ladies from good backgrounds that are fair game. Read the appropriate threads on ISG to learn more.
On some previous vists to Pattaya, not frequent but spanning over a decade, I have usualy found what I want in the beer bars with a bit of looking and a couple of wasted drinks here and there but on this visit I have found the type of girl I'm looking for and with a certain look (ie my taste). Anyway on finding these girls who have been more than enthusiastic to get me into the bar, extremely enthused about being bought a drink and idle chitchat but then a bit down the track either not wanting a bar fine or only short time at a local short term joint at best which usualy amounts to 'brothel' sex, a quick jigjig and hurry up I've got to get back to the bar. Now after a week of this stuff and spending far too much money on drinks etc I actualy got 2 back to my hotel (on different nights that is) and both of them 22 years old but both behaving like theyve never had sex before and more coy than any naieve teenager I have gotten off with in my long lost youth. What I am getting at here is that things must have changed over the years and its not just my age either, in fact I look younger now than I did 10 years ago on account of being infinitly fitter, far less weight and with a complete set of teeth etc etc, ie I never used to get this crap and in fact this is the first time I have come across all this stuff, (back in London recently I had a couple of pay for European girls barely 20 years old and no problem) I could understand it if I was a fat gross, bad breathed 70 year old but being quite a long way off that and getting the 'dirty old man' routine is getting depressing. Is this new ploys to get you into the bar then hope you will swith to the bored 40 year old sulking in the corner? Who knows.
Anyway have had a complete change of strategy now, have been to my favorite gogo (the Windmill) where you can see what you are going to get, get to touch the good bits first, get the slant of the girls personality then pay the exhorbitant bar fine and off for some real sex even if only short time, much more fun and predictable (I don't mind unpredictable if its cheap enough) so even porking every other day still works out better and cheaper than the beer bar bullshit I've had a belly full of.
Another moan here, anyone noticed how so many beer bars now have a token lady boy? They usualy stick out like dogs balls but last week I nearly got fooled for the first time ever, in the not so good lighting I headed over to a bar with what was a few reasonable looking girls, sat down and the stool next to me was taken up by a passable looking barmaid but after a couple of minutes I thought 'don't those fingers look a bit long' dito the feet were a bit big, nice femine voice though and no adams apple, but hey, with a lady boy in every bar I'm absolutly not going to chance getting the unlucky dip now am I? I don't thing this is a good move re the bar owners, very offputting. Ok moan over, but just curious as to what others with more experience thinks on these topics.
Reiner Otto
09-23-13, 11:35
Actually I am in Pattaya since Friday evening. Leaving tomorrow with a girl to Phuket, which I picked up yesterday from a beer bar on WS. I consider her quality a bit below gogo, but a huge difference in price and performance: I had one girl from Bacarat, and one from Iron. 4000LT+1500Barfine. Exceptionally good looking, but terrible performers.
Both even tried to escape very early morning, begging for more money after a "bad job" etc.
So my experience with gogos is not positive. That is the reason I first tried Soi 6. Took out a girl for 2h to my hotel. 2000+600. Good performance. Asked for LT, she denied, never does this.
So then to try a beer bar. I decided one of the bars on WS, assuming better quality there. Yesterday, during the rain, I was almost the only guy among 100 girls or more.
Chose one of the dancers for 2000+600. Was OK, good GFE, so now we go to the islands. 10 days. 1300 / day+600 / day. Not bad, I guess.
So, in short, my experience is just opposite to yours. However, regarding the lady boys, I am also quite a bit concerned. I am already afraid to approach the best looking "girls" in the bars.
Went to 2 different big body massage salons, at 2nd road / Soi 1. 2000Baht and 2400Baht. Excellent both times. As I like good boobs, there to be found. Although silicon, but better than nothing, and well done. One lady even offered me take-out. 4000BHT. Would definitely prefere this one to a gogo. Because you can even check fher attitude during body massage, before deciding to shell out the 4000 next day or so. For the excellent body massages I did not chose the youngest girls.
Mr Enternational
09-23-13, 15:29
If I was the type of guy who likes getting women from beer bars then I would:
1. Enter the bar.
2. Scan for a woman who is my type. If I did not see my type I would leave and go to the next bar.
3. Ask the woman if she goes long time if that is my thing.
4. Buy drinks or do whatever else in order to determine if there is any chemistry.
Reiner Otto, why are you paying double price wherever you go?
Mr Enternational. Think that is the correct order. Much cheaper than finding out after a few 100bt worth of drinkies.
Luck changed tonight, found an absolutly stunning 19 year old in a beer bar, a bit shy but completlely beyond most of the gogo bar girls, re looks and most certainly personality. Was only willing for short time (says due to language but who knows) but at least to my hotel for a couple of hours and was amazing in bed, to add she had the most perfectly formed conical tits I have ever seen / felt on any girl. Luck of the day / draw is a big part of it of course but when you are on limited time can be frustrating wasting lots of time and money. I choose to be picky on account of I can get skank and rough stuff back home for free (and I don't do that on account of the implications) so being picky means more potential dissapointment. As for me, I will be back for more of MsConical tomorow.
I also thought he was paying to much. I routinely get girls from Soi 6 for 2hrs for 700 to a 1000. Most of the women I pull are either freelance or from beer bars and don't pay those prices.
Never had any problems from beer bar girls. Granted some perform better than others but that is expected.
From time to time I will pull a hottie from a go go on lk metro and still not paying 2600.
I think some need to do the research before stepping into Pattaya.
I don't have a problem with a guy over paying if he chooses to. But I don't think anyone wants to get ripped off, at least I hope not.
On some previous vists to Pattaya, not frequent but spanning over a decade, I have usualy found what I want in the beer bars with a bit of looking and a couple of wasted drinks here and there but on this visit I have found the type of girl I'm looking for and with a certain look (ie my taste). Anyway on finding these girls who have been more than enthusiastic to get me into the bar, extremely enthused about being bought a drink and idle chitchat but then a bit down the track either not wanting a bar fine or only short time at a local short term joint at best which usualy amounts to 'brothel' sex, a quick jigjig and hurry up I've got to get back to the bar. Now after a week of this stuff and spending far too much money on drinks etc I actualy got 2 back to my hotel (on different nights that is) and both of them 22 years old but both behaving like theyve never had sex before and more coy than any naieve teenager I have gotten off with in my long lost youth. What I am getting at here is that things must have changed over the years and its not just my age either, in fact I look younger now than I did 10 years ago on account of being infinitly fitter, far less weight and with a complete set of teeth etc etc, ie I never used to get this crap and in fact this is the first time I have come across all this stuff, (back in London recently I had a couple of pay for European girls barely 20 years old and no problem) I could understand it if I was a fat gross, bad breathed 70 year old but being quite a long way off that and getting the 'dirty old man' routine is getting depressing. Is this new ploys to get you into the bar then hope you will swith to the bored 40 year old sulking in the corner? Who knows.
Anyway have had a complete change of strategy now, have been to my favorite gogo (the Windmill) where you can see what you are going to get, get to touch the good bits first, get the slant of the girls personality then pay the exhorbitant bar fine and off for some real sex even if only short time, much more fun and predictable (I don't mind unpredictable if its cheap enough) so even porking every other day still works out better and cheaper than the beer bar bullshit I've had a belly full of.
Another moan here, anyone noticed how so many beer bars now have a token lady boy? They usualy stick out like dogs balls but last week I nearly got fooled for the first time ever, in the not so good lighting I headed over to a bar with what was a few reasonable looking girls, sat down and the stool next to me was taken up by a passable looking barmaid but after a couple of minutes I thought 'don't those fingers look a bit long' dito the feet were a bit big, nice femine voice though and no adams apple, but hey, with a lady boy in every bar I'm absolutly not going to chance getting the unlucky dip now am I? I don't thing this is a good move re the bar owners, very offputting. Ok moan over, but just curious as to what others with more experience thinks on these topics.Pattaya, just like the rest of the planet, is changing.It's the circle of life in full swing. This is normal. Whenever I re-visit my old manors they have changed. As have the people. There are also many areas of Pattaya not inhabited by LBs. Why don't you give the Drinking Street a try up past Soi 2. They only allow real girls there. And there are many other areas as well. No need to get obsessed with that issue. Just drink and enjoy more.
Mr Enternational. Think that is the correct order. Much cheaper than finding out after a few 100bt worth of drinkies.
Luck changed tonight, found an absolutly stunning 19 year old in a beer bar, a bit shy but completlely beyond most of the gogo bar girls, re looks and most certainly personality. Was only willing for short time (says due to language but who knows) but at least to my hotel for a couple of hours and was amazing in bed, to add she had the most perfectly formed conical tits I have ever seen / felt on any girl. Luck of the day / draw is a big part of it of course but when you are on limited time can be frustrating wasting lots of time and money. I choose to be picky on account of I can get skank and rough stuff back home for free (and I don't do that on account of the implications) so being picky means more potential dissapointment. As for me, I will be back for more of MsConical tomorow.Well there you go. It's not all doom and gloom in Pattaya. Let's not get obsessed with the doom and gloom factor. Focus more on the enjoy factor and, always remember, that the world is changing. Nothing stays the same.
BlygdTuktaren
09-24-13, 13:58
"Spending a lot of money on the girls."Thank you very much Reiner Otto, for overpaying and raising the prices for sex in Pattaya, it is guys like you who will make the prices comparable to Europe's at the end of the day. Thank you for ruining the market for the rest of us.
Pattaya, just like the rest of the planet, is changing.It's the circle of life in full swing. This is normal. Whenever I re-visit my old manors they have changed. As have the people. There are also many areas of Pattaya not inhabited by LBs. Why don't you give the Drinking Street a try up past Soi 2. They only allow real girls there. And there are many other areas as well. No need to get obsessed with that issue. Just drink and enjoy more.Drinking Street? Sorry Bro. The last 3 nights I've been in the Drinking Street and the mix in very exciting. I drink. I party. I don't judge. And I have a fantastic time.
Thank you very much Reiner Otto, for overpaying and raising the prices for sex in Pattaya, it is guys like you who will make the prices comparable to Europe's at the end of the day. Thank you for ruining the market for the rest of us.The guy had fun and has rightly ignored all the cheapskates who want to pay the minimum amount. Tourists on holiday don't give a b*gg*r about the prices pretty sexy girls charge after they have drunk half a bottle of Scotch and had their crutch felt up in the bar.
Guys like him do not make prices look like European prices. It is perhaps the miserable moaners who constantly complain who force up prices. Because the girls may well say "F*ck this. If I am going to have to put up with cheapskate BT'aren, I am going to up my price."
Paul Kausch
09-24-13, 16:57
The guy had fun and has rightly ignored all the cheapskates who want to pay the minimum amount. Tourists on holiday don't give a be*gg*are about the prices pretty sexy girls charge after they have drunk half a bottle of Scotch and had their crutch felt up in the bar.
Guys like him do not make prices look like European prices. It is perhaps the miserable moaners who constantly complain who force up prices. Because the girls may well say "F*ck this. If I am going to have to put up with cheapskate BT'aren, I am going to up my price."So right. And what percentage if guys who monger in LOS have ever heard of ISG? 50% 10% 1% less than 1% Anyone care to guess?
Oh well, the betching, moaning and insults are part of ISG's appeal.
1) The same girl (whether GG, BG, FL, Soi 6.) may go with:
- me: LT B 1, 500.
- John Doe: LT B 4, 000.
- Mr. Enternational: LT B 1, 000.
- young / handsome / fun / lucky guy: free.
It just depends on the dynamics / negotiations between the girl and the customer.
2) I hung out with BM Reiner Otto in Aug and he was very selective with picking the hot girls from Baccara, etc.
- The hotties from the top end GGs (Baccara, Iron, What's Up.) are expensive ST / LT if you want to successfully BF them.
- I prefer FLs and even the ok loooking off-duty GGs from Baccara I chatted up on WS wouldn't FL with me for less than ST 2k / LT 3k. That doesn't really bother me because Patts has enough supply of women that I'll find a lady / price I want. And the demand (whether CC or big spenders) is such that Patts attract enough ladies to fill all the niches: stunners dancing naked at the GGs, FL hotties every night at BR / WS / discos willing to consider ST B 500 / LT B 1, 000 for the right guy and time, and so on.
- Agreed that it would be expensive to pay a BG from a BB ST 2k / 3k (though I can think of a couple BGs who might be worth it) , but BBs vs GGs is apples vs oranges. And among the GGs there are cheaper ones (ST 2k / LT 3k or less, easily) and there are pricier GGs.
I'm a CC so I've accepted the fact that I'm unlikely to get a ST B 1, 000 / LT B 2, 000 + BF from a top end GG.
That doesn't really bother me because Patts has enough supply of women that I'll find a lady / price I want. I'm a CC so I've accepted...
How long have you been coming to Pattaya? I find that it is incredibly rare that I find what I want there (at any price). I think this is because my Pattaya tastes were formed many years ago when it was a better place.
Why it's changed so much for the worse I'm not sure - is it that Thailand is so much richer (it certainly is), or that there are a lot more big-spending tourists (perhaps there are, but the depression makes that dubious). Finally I think it may be because the drug addicts who used to provide such excellent service are now in jail.
Sir Lancelot
09-24-13, 22:19
It's worth it to plan a stop for a few days in Jakarta. The city is terrible and the mongering scene is totally different than Thailand. There is nothing like Soi Cowboy or Walking street. There are clubs and entertainment centers that are filled with P4P girls, pros and semipros. You can also find some pretty sophisticated ladies from good backgrounds that are fair game. Read the appropriate threads on ISG to learn more.Jakarta is terrible as a tourist destination but I found it wasn't as polluted as other Asian cities and is easy to get around thanks to the bus-lanes. I also think it's one of the most under-rated sex-scenes in Asia. The Blok M bars have lots of freelancers, there are great hotel venues like Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel which stock lots of pretty girls (Classic is one of my top five venues in Asia while the latter specialises in threesomes) , there are soapy massage parlours, Stadium nightclub with on-site rooms and Dateinasia is alive and well too. My favourite area though is Pen J, near Kota train station where there is a kind of fishbowl set-up in about half a dozen bars. Jakarta is exceptionally cheap compared to other pay-for-play destinations and it seems the further south in Asia you go, the more voluptuous the women. On the down-side, the girlfriend experience is harder to find. I'd recommend Jakarta to any fan of Pattaya. If you visited you could also visit the Dolly brothels in Surubaya or go on a treasure hunt at the X-houses in Sanur.
How long have you been coming to Pattaya? I find that it is incredibly rare that I find what I want there (at any price). I think this is because my Pattaya tastes were formed many years ago when it was a better place.
Why it's changed so much for the worse I'm not sure. Is it that Thailand is so much richer (it certainly is) , or that there are a lot more big-spending tourists (perhaps there are, but the depression makes that dubious). Finally I think it may be because the drug addicts who used to provide such excellent service are now in jail.Your last sentence made my day. Can't wait to hear your explanation of that one.
1) The same girl (whether GG, BG, FL, Soi 6.) may go with:
- me: LT B 1, 500.
- John Doe: LT B 4, 000.
- Mr. Enternational: LT B 1, 000.
- young / handsome / fun / lucky guy: free.
It just depends on the dynamics / negotiations between the girl and the customer.Amex's observations are spot on. If a girl likes you and is comfortable with you; if she has fun with you and likes to be with you, she'll go for less than she expects from ordinary customers. Even an old geezer like me can score. I have, for example, a regular who is a show girl that dances nude at one of the Pattaya go-go's. She calls me every week asking to come to my condo to service me ST for 500 baht, and the service is top notch. She just likes me; likes to pet my dog and we have fun together while she's here.
All the girls at the disco's know Mr. E. And know he doesn't put up with ridiculous high prices or bullshit, so he knows how to get them to go with him at low prices. If they don't he just moves on to the next one. He knows where to find them.
As for Amex Spg, I've met this guy. He's young. He's handsome. He's fun. He walks into a bar and the girls are all over him. So I'm surprised he pays 1, 500 for LT. He should be getting it for free.
BigJohn1196
09-25-13, 02:29
Jakarta is terrible as a tourist destination but I found it wasn't as polluted as other Asian cities and is easy to get around thanks to the bus-lanes. I also think it's one of the most under-rated sex-scenes in Asia. The Blok M bars have lots of freelancers, there are great hotel venues like Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel which stock lots of pretty girls (Classic is one of my top five venues in Asia while the latter specialises in threesomes) , there are soapy massage parlours, Stadium nightclub with on-site rooms and Dateinasia is alive and well too. My favourite area though is Pen J, near Kota train station where there is a kind of fishbowl set-up in about half a dozen bars. Jakarta is exceptionally cheap compared to other pay-for-play destinations and it seems the further south in Asia you go, the more voluptuous the women. On the down-side, the girlfriend experience is harder to find. I'd recommend Jakarta to any fan of Pattaya. If you visited you could also visit the Dolly brothels in Surubaya or go on a treasure hunt at the X-houses in Sanur.Could this solid piece of info be inserted into the Indonesia forum? It will get lost under Pattaya.
Paul Kausch
09-25-13, 02:33
Jakarta is terrible as a tourist destination.
I also think it's one of the most under-rated sex-scenes in Asia.You are absolutely right on both counts. There are three reasons to go to Jakarta: (1) on business, (2) you're making a connection through the airport and (3) you want to sample the great sex-scene. Shhhh! Don't spoil a good thing by telling anyone.
How long have you been coming to Pattaya? I find that it is incredibly rare that I find what I want there (at any price). I think this is because my Pattaya tastes were formed many years ago when it was a better place.
Why it's changed so much for the worse I'm not sure. Is it that Thailand is so much richer (it certainly is) , or that there are a lot more big-spending tourists (perhaps there are, but the depression makes that dubious). Finally I think it may be because the drug addicts who used to provide such excellent service are now in jail.Opebo, my friend, you are the perennial pessimist.
Yes, Pattaya is changing rapidly and in many ways not for the better, but you can still get quality girls here for reasonable costs if you have the time and know where to look. There are just as many or more very pretty girls here now as before.
Most of the freelancers on BR are asking the same amount as 6 years ago: 500 ST. 1,000 LT, and you can still occasionally find a cute drug addict who will go for 300 baht. Watch out though as they are likely to have criminal tendencies.
As far as I know, beer bar girls are also asking the same prices as long ago, the bar fines are the same too, but now as then one has to look long and hard to find a pretty beer bar girl. 99% of them are average to below average in looks. I don't hunt at beer bars.
The part that has really changed for the worse is the Go-go bar scene where bar fines have increased and the girl's asking prices have doubled across the board. In 2006 ST with a go-go stunner was 1000 baht; LT 2000 baht. The price has doubled just within the last 2 years and some of the stunners are asking a lot more. Go-go girls are just not worth it anymore unless you pick them up at the late night disco's.
I guess chemistry is chemistry anywhere. Even in a place like Thailand where money number one, there is still the human element.
I love Being in Thailand. When I am there I have more fun in weeks then I have in the USA in months.
I am in my fifties and I have hot women all over me. A lot of them ask for less because they just want to be with me.
Some people would say I need to act my age. I say I am acting my age. I'm in my 20's again and youth is not wasted .
Living the dream.
Tellall
Hotman 666
09-25-13, 15:13
[/quote]believe the legal age for being on a bar is 20 there, working or not. if they are **** they will still say they are 20.[/quote]
i thought that the magic age was 20 as well for the bars but i am in pattaya now and in several of the go go's when i have asked the girls ages i have been told "me 18!"
this includes some of the nude dancers as well!
also one of the go go's had a meeter / greeter with beautiful big tits who told me she was only seventeen!
so, be careful.
sorry guys, before you ask no, i will not tell you which go go's they were.
enjoy,
i am.
hotman
Good to know. Thanks, DaddyO. I hope it stays like this in 2015 when I am there.
Opebo, my friend, you are the perennial pessimist.
Yes, Pattaya is changing rapidly and in many ways not for the better, but you can still get quality girls here for reasonable costs if you have the time and know where to look. There are just as many or more very pretty girls here now as before.
Most of the freelancers on BR are asking the same amount as 6 years ago: 500 ST. 1,000 LT, and you can still occasionally find a cute drug addict who will go for 300 baht. Watch out though as they are likely to have criminal tendencies.
As far as I know, beer bar girls are also asking the same prices as long ago, the bar fines are the same too, but now as then one has to look long and hard to find a pretty beer bar girl. 99% of them are average to below average in looks. I don't hunt at beer bars.
The part that has really changed for the worse is the Go-go bar scene where bar fines have increased and the girl's asking prices have doubled across the board. In 2006 ST with a go-go stunner was 1000 baht; LT 2000 baht. The price has doubled just within the last 2 years and some of the stunners are asking a lot more. Go-go girls are just not worth it anymore unless you pick them up at the late night disco's.
BlygdTuktaren
09-25-13, 15:45
This thing about girls asking different prices for different customers make me upset, it's like the carpenter would take care of you're house for 1000$ but charge 2000$ if some other guy were the house owner.
I don't go to prostitutes to feel less attractive compaired to one other guy, then I could just go to the nightclub back home.
What is wrong with these prostitutes in Thailand, they're not a bunch of college girls going to the nightclub for fun and to only sleep with prince charming, they're prostitutes sleeping with customers as their profession to be able to support their families and themselves.
Opebo, my friend, you are the perennial pessimist.
Yes, Pattaya is changing rapidly and in many ways not for the better, but you can still get quality girls here for reasonable costs if you have the time and know where to look. There are just as many or more very pretty girls here now as before. Most of the freelancers on BR are asking the same amount as 6 years ago: 500 ST. 1,000 LT, and you can still occasionally find a cute drug addict who will go for 300 baht. Watch out though as they are likely to have criminal tendencies.
As far as I know, beer bar girls are also asking the same prices as long ago, the bar fines are the same too, but now as then one has to look long and hard to find a pretty beer bar girl. 99% of them are average to below average in looks. I don't hunt at beer bars.
The part that has really changed for the worse is the Go-go bar scene where bar fines have increased and the girl's asking prices have doubled across the board. In 2006 ST with a go-go stunner was 1000 baht; LT 2000 baht. The price has doubled just within the last 2 years and some of the stunners are asking a lot more. Go-go girls are just not worth it anymore unless you pick them up at the late night disco's.I guess you have a point here even if I'm allergic to overpayers.
But after all, how will one explain the gogo girls asking twice as much today compared to a couple of years ago if it ain't because of the overpayers?
T.
But after all, how will one explain the gogo girls asking twice as much today compared to a couple of years ago if it ain't because of the overpayers?Economics 101. When demand is low, raise prices to maintain income stream. Simple init. This incidentally applies not just to WGs but many products in Thailand.
There is a corollary. At the end of the month accept lower prices to earn enough to pay the rent.
Member #4387
09-25-13, 16:39
This thing about girls asking different prices for different customers make me upset, it's like the carpenter would take care of you're house for 1000$ but charge 2000$ if some other guy were the house owner.
I don't go to prostitutes to feel less attractive compaired to one other guy, then I could just go to the nightclub back home.
What is wrong with these prostitutes in Thailand, they're not a bunch of college girls going to the nightclub for fun and to only sleep with prince charming, they're prostitutes sleeping with customers as their profession to be able to support their families and themselves.
I guess you have a point here even if I'm allergic to overpayers.
But after all, how will one explain the gogo girls asking twice as much today compared to a couple of years ago if it ain't because of the overpayers?Well it is not like the government set fixed pricings for hookers. Unlike a carpenter there will allways be a human element in play dealing with I. E a freelancegirl. Ofcourse girls will react upon behaviour, looks, age, treatment, politliness, bargingskills etc etc so where you have to pay 3000 I can get away with 1500 (just an example). Other factors are time in day and demand. A carpenter does not give a shit mostly in your looks but here maby your bargingskills will also make prices vary a bit.
And to the Go Go girls I guess they are not to blame about the prices beeing quoted inside the Go Go here you have to adress the owners / management.
If you can not play (pay) the game stop playing
How long have you been coming to Pattaya? I find that it is incredibly rare that I find what I want there (at any price). I think this is because my Pattaya tastes were formed many years ago when it was a better place.1) I first came to Patts in 2007. If you can't find what you're looking for in Patts at any price, you could just adjust your tastes accordingly or move on to greener pastures: Philippines, Indonesia, South America, Europe, etc. I suspect Cambodia P4P (pay for play) now is what Thailand P4P was about 20 years ago so that's an option.
2) In part due to selective memories, the John Does complain that LOS (Land of Smiles) has gone downhill, that things were better 10 / whatever years ago, but everything changes including those John Does who have gotten old (er) (and I'm guessing pickier / crankier) in that time. For the bad that's happened to Patts, I can think of the good.
Pattaya 2007: Superbaby / Supergirl GGs (aGoGos) BF B 600 + ST 2k / LT 3k (Both those GGs charge every customer a standard ST / LT price).
- Bad / missing things in 2007: There was no iBar / Insomnia, no Secrets Bar / guesthouse, no Baccara / Gentlemen's Club / other excellent GGs, no Drinking Street, no Action Street, no Tourist Police (volunteers helping farangs and they serve as translators with the Thai police) , no Central Festival mall, LK Metro area only had 2 GGs (Champagne & Oasis) and so on.
Pattaya 2013: Superbaby / Supergirl GGs BF B 700 + ST 2k / LT 3k. (Prices haven't changed much).
- Improvements / good things now available in 2013: LK Metro is a mini-WS (new GGs: Queen, Lady Love, Showgirls, Paradise, Bachelors, Crystal, Submarine, Kiss, The Office, Funhouse, etc) , Soi 6 now has Night wish / Pussy Club / 3 Angels / Sky bars, new WS GGs: Sugarbaby / Sensations / Fahrenheit / Lighthouse / Glasshouse / Ginza / Mandarin / Pepe / Alcatraz / etc, new discos: Lima Lima / Flexx / Mixx / Halo.
3) Sure, the WGs (working girls) have also changed from 2007 to 2013, in both good & bad ways. I choose to focus on the good. Years from now if I don't like what Patts / the Thai WGs have become, I'll just move on to Cambodia or someplace else.
In the last 3 years of coming to Pattaya I have exclusively used Mr T Taxi, based in LK Metro area. But I'm kind of done with the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)-poor attitude I keep getting from them of late, and I'm looking of a new email-friendly Taxi service for Airport pickups / dropoffs, as well as my occasional day limo service to places outside of town. If anyone has a recommendation for a comparable Taxi service (using email) please PM me, or feel free to post here for the benefit of other members.
Thanks in advance,
- Gunga
In the last 3 years of coming to Pattaya I have exclusively used Mr T Taxi, based in LK Metro area. But I'm kind of done with the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)-poor attitude I keep getting from them of late, and I'm looking of a new email-friendly Taxi service for Airport pickups / dropoffs, as well as my occasional day limo service to places outside of town. If anyone has a recommendation for a comparable Taxi service (using email) please PM me, or feel free to post here for the benefit of other members.
Thanks in advance,
- GungaThese guys are very reliable:
http://www.pattayataxi.info/
Mr Enternational
09-25-13, 19:04
This thing about girls asking different prices for different customers make me upset, it's like the carpenter would take care of you're house for 1000$ but charge 2000$ if some other guy were the house owner.
I don't go to prostitutes to feel less attractive compaired to one other guy, then I could just go to the nightclub back home.
What is wrong with these prostitutes in Thailand, they're not a bunch of college girls going to the nightclub for fun and to only sleep with prince charming, they're prostitutes sleeping with customers as their profession to be able to support their families and themselves.What I have noticed is that the price disparity is in effect in countries that have a large freelance pool and is known for GFE. My definition of GFE is nothing sexual. It is that the girl will make you feel like she is your girlfriend. You have met her in a normal setting such as a disco or at the beach. You can take her to eat, go to the movies, and she is willing to spend time with you doing a bunch of normal shit. Not just, take her to the hotel, she sucked me without a condom, I came, and she was on her way. To me that is the hooker experience and has nothing to do with GFE. For the most part you are going to find these types in places such as Thailand, Philippines, Brazil, and Dominican Republic.
Now if I walked into Angel Witch or Devil's Den, then I know the price is carved in stone. So if I want to take a girl from there I will be paying a set bar fine and a set price for the girl that is across the board the same for everybody. But what I know is that many of those girls can be found other places when those establishments close. And that is when the price is more flexible. Now if you have your heart set on a certain girl then it is best to get her whenever you see her, because you do not know what girl is going where after work, unless you ask. And a lot of them will just go home instead of going to party afterwards.
Also, what you are not taking in to account is that freelancers can pick and choose who they want to go with. They are their own boss. Just like the carpenter can pick and choose what job he accepts. It is not all about money to these freelance GFE types. For they also want BFE. They want someone who they can see as their actual boyfriend. They are not the ones to go with the fat, smelly, drunk farang stereotype who is usually found in a beer bar and do whatever he says just because he is giving them money. They have their own mind, program, agenda, and many times they already have a wallet full of money and will buy drinks for you.
The other day my new 36F girl was telling me she went out. I asked her if she went to the hotel with anyone. She said no. I said why the fuck not? She said there was a guy who wanted to take her, but he was not her type. I told her fuck that. Your type is whoever is giving you money. From now on if someone wants you to go with them and they are giving you money then you go.
Just last week a buddy of mine was in town and a chick in the disco told him that she wanted to go with him LT, but did not want any money. He said that he ended up giving her 1000 baht anyway when she got on the elevator to leave. Another story that I have told before is about the girl who works in Alcatraz. She bar fined herself for 1000 baht. Then she went to the disco to drink with her friends. Then she came home with me LT for 1000 baht. It is not only about money with these type girls. Yes, at the end of the day they are still prostitutes because they go with men for money, but not in the traditional sense that you are expecting them to be.
believe the legal age for being on a bar is 20 there, working or not. if they are **** they will still say they are 20.[/quote]i thought that the magic age was 20 as well for the bars but i am in pattaya now and in several of the go go's when i have asked the girls ages i have been told "me 18!"
this includes some of the nude dancers as well!
also one of the go go's had a meeter / greeter with beautiful big tits who told me she was only seventeen!
so, be careful.
sorry guys, before you ask no, i will not tell you which go go's they were.
enjoy,
i am.
hotman[/quote]actually, the legal age to work in a bar is 18, but the legal age to be a patron is 20. there have been girls fined who were barfined by customers who then went to another bar that was raided by police.
i remember a similar law in maryland decades ago. one needed to be 18 to pour drinks, but 21 to drink drinks.
SirWilliam4
09-25-13, 21:38
I use them every time I travel between BKK and Pattaya. They are great.
SW4.
These guys are very reliable:
http://www.pattayataxi.info/
Finally I think it may be because the drug addicts who used to provide such excellent service are now in jail.
Your last sentence made my day. Can't wait to hear your explanation of that one.What explanation? I should've thought it was self-evident. The drugs give them both a slim physique and a high motivation to provide great service.
What explanation? I should've thought it was self-evident. The drugs give them both a slim physique and a high motivation to provide great service.I wasn't expecting that comeback, or any at all, actually. The willingness for 3 hole backbacking had occurred to me, but I'm sure many TGs are up for that anyway, whether ice heads or not. The motivations to karma, family & the latest iphone are the only drugs they need to do anything your heart desires.
Likewise Thailand is slim central station already. Add yabba, the crazy drug, to that, and you may end up with an anorexic looking thing, and one more likely to be fucked up than provide "great service". Fucked up including such things as being HIV positive & running around town butt naked. While I found the occasional addict sex worker in Canada was amazing, long ago I left that scene for the safer arena & more consistent efforts of Thailand's ladies.
But if you're looking for meth heads, come up to Bangkok. You'll have no trouble finding many there. Though if I was you, I'd look into relocating to Singapore or Hong Kong. They are in dire need of English teachers, salary would be much higher than LOS, and you could feast on economical dishes from Vietnam, PI, Indonesia, PRC, as well as Thai. What's that they say, variety is the spice of life?
You should enjoy yourself while you're relatively young & haven't yet lost your mojo or become bed ridden. Alas, there won't be much left to live for after that happens!
These guys are very reliable:
http://www.pattayataxi.info/Thank you Run Mann, and also SirWilliam4, for your recommendation. I really appreciate the fast response, and will try them out on this upcoming Saturday.
Just to be clear, Mr T Taxi has always delivered on their promise for pickups, and I don't mean to suggest anyone should avoid them. As a businessman myself I know the power of negative publicity that is unwarranted. However, my problem with Mr T is that increasingly they avoid answering emails within a few hours (prompting me to physically go to their office to confirm a booking) , as well as their unprofessional and hostile dealings in the last several face-to-face encounters with their staff. In the face of that unpleasantness I'm happy to move on to regular use of PattayaTaxi as a substitute service. Thus the free market speaks.
All the best to you both,
- Gunga
...Just to be clear, Mr T Taxi has always delivered on their promise for pickups...When I booked them last time I was there, they didn't show up and left me stranded at DMK. Ended up taking the shuttle to BKK and the bus from there.
BlygdTuktaren
09-26-13, 10:18
Interesting replies from Mr E and all you other mongers. Maybe I have to apply a new way of looking at the scene of hookers in Thailand.
This makes me wonder if the girl who invited me to live at her place and all the GFE for a total cost of 1k B actually liked me. Of course she said she did but of course because she indeed wanted 1k B every morning I thought it was all about the money in the end of the day, thinking if she really was into me she would not have asked for the money. It feels like it's not that easy to understand the Thai WG market with a western mind.
After all, I would not have succeeded with her in the disco back home.
So, you're upset huh? How many times have you been to the LOS?2 times if that makes any difference concerning that.
LittleBigMan
09-26-13, 11:05
Amex's observations are spot on. If a girl likes you and is comfortable with you; if she has fun with you and likes to be with you, she'll go for less than she expects from ordinary customers. Even an old geezer like me can score. I have, for example, a regular who is a show girl that dances nude at one of the Pattaya go-go's. She calls me every week asking to come to my condo to service me ST for 500 baht, and the service is top notch. She just likes me; likes to pet my dog and we have fun together while she's here.
All the girls at the disco's know Mr. E. And know he doesn't put up with ridiculous high prices or bullshit, so he knows how to get them to go with him at low prices. If they don't he just moves on to the next one. He knows where to find them.
As for Amex Spg, I've met this guy. He's young. He's handsome. He's fun. He walks into a bar and the girls are all over him. So I'm surprised he pays 1, 500 for LT. He should be getting it for free.I always wonder when my number comes up and the man ask me what I want to come back after reading this I know what to tell him along with making sure I never have to worry about money?
LBM
LittleBigMan
09-26-13, 11:11
This thing about girls asking different prices for different customers make me upset, it's like the carpenter would take care of you're house for 1000$ but charge 2000$ if some other guy were the house owner.
I don't go to prostitutes to feel less attractive compaired to one other guy, then I could just go to the nightclub back home.
What is wrong with these prostitutes in Thailand, they're not a bunch of college girls going to the nightclub for fun and to only sleep with prince charming, they're prostitutes sleeping with customers as their profession to be able to support their families and themselves.
I guess you have a point here even if I'm allergic to overpayers.
But after all, how will one explain the gogo girls asking twice as much today compared to a couple of years ago if it ain't because of the overpayers?This is the oldest profession in the world? The reason why things doesn't make sense is because you can't apply Econ 101 to this professional if you do you will certainly be confused?
As they like to charge more for their services we also do the same by trying to get them to take less, it works both ways buddy? Don't get yourself all bent out of shape?
LBM
The motivations to karma, family & the latest iphone are the only drugs they need to do anything your heart desires.
Likewise Thailand is slim central station already.
They look rather fat to me lately, and I've never noticed karma, family, or iphones to be any motivation. After all, the cost of an iphone is nothing compared to the earnings of any even moderately good looking Thai sex-worker, good service or bad. Also I think the devotion to family thing is outdated as well.
Though if I was you, I'd look into relocating to Singapore or Hong Kong. They are in dire need of English teachers, salary would be much higher than LOS, and you could feast on economical dishes from Vietnam, PI, Indonesia, PRC, as well as Thai. What's that they say, variety is the spice of life?
Well, that isn't my profession; but since you bring it up, why would they need English teachers in those places where they already speak English? Secondly, the higher salary in such places is negated by the much higher cost of living, n'est ce-pas?
2 times if that makes any difference concerning that.I wasn't being snarky. Your posts, while apparently sincere suggest a naiveté that, I'm guessing, is supported at least in part by a lack of mongering experience whether in the LOS or elsewhere.
It's really not all that different wherever you go once you've read the playbook.
I can't speak for others (though I suspect many are the same) but I've learned to separate or at least redirect the emotion from the sex. It's great when it goes well but I've read many posts where its clear a mongers emotions got the better of him.
They look rather fat to me lately, and I've never noticed karma, family, or iphones to be any motivation. After all, the cost of an iphone is nothing compared to the earnings of any even moderately good looking Thai sex-worker, good service or bad. Also I think the devotion to family thing is outdated as well.Do you spend any time talking with P4P ladies getting to know their minds? Or is it basicly wham bam, thank you man?
Re cell phones, it seems many of them in BKK have to have the latest & best. So a new 20,000 baht phone every few months. That's on top of the money for personal expenses, the thousands they send every week or month to family, cost for any kids they have, their education, etc. At the end of the month when rent is due they can be especially desperate.
Well, that isn't my profession; but since you bring it up, why would they need English teachers in those places where they already speak English? Secondly, the higher salary in such places is negated by the much higher cost of living, n'est ce-pas?I seem to recall OTH speaking of that as your job, though I noticed recently your reference to a business. In Singapore English proficiency is much better than Thailand, although IME it appears Chinese is the primary lingo in daily usage. Those I've encountered don't speak it very well, if at all, in most cases. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the rich have tutors for their kids so they can get a leg up education wise. I know quite a few of them hire expert chess players towards the same goal.
Aside from accomodations expenses I haven't found SG any more expensive than BKK. If I wanted to I could downgrade my place so that I pay the same amount as I do in Siam. A quickie with a Thai, Viet, Indo, EI is easily attainable for the SG equivalent of 600 baht. Check it out. Flights from BKK with AirAsia only around 50 USD.
Do you spend any time talking with P4P ladies getting to know their minds? ...the thousands they send every week or month to family...
Yeah, I do talk to them, I find it interesting. I've never run across anyone who actually claimed to send thousands home to family. I think they almost all just live hand-to-mouth and just take a few thousand home when they go to visit. Could be wrong of course.
Aside from accomodations expenses I haven't found SG any more expensive than BKK. If I wanted to I could downgrade my place so that I pay the same amount as I do in Siam. A quickie with a Thai, Viet, Indo, EI is easily attainable for the SG equivalent of 600 baht. Check it out. Flights from BKK with AirAsia only around 50 USD.
Well, I've never lived in Bangkok, but I think of 5,000 baht/month as the upper limit for residence costs anywhere in the kingdom. I have been to Singapore a couple of times - it was nice enough. I seem to remember paying more like 1,500 baht equivalent for short time service with non-Chinese girls (if I remember rightly Chinese were even more, but I don't like Chinese).
FoxesHunter
09-28-13, 18:30
Hello friends,
Now I am in Pattaya. There are not many tourists now and girls should be all for me. Jejejeje.
But I have to be sincere with you: it is the first time I visit Pattaya and I'm I so surprised about many girls that you can buy here.
My hotel is at Soi 13. I don't like bars and every night I am at Beach Road. There are many many girls here after the 8:00 pm but it is hard to find a very beautiful girl.
Some ask 2000 bath for ST, other 1500 bath for ST and other 1000 bath for ST. I have seen many outdoor bars too and if I have to be sincere it is hard to find a real gem. May be my taste is different from other guys here and I have to tell you I will not go anymore to Pattaya. Many girls but not for my taste.
I have chatted with a regular girl on Badoo and tomorrow I will meet her in my room. She has some beautiful pics on the net and I hope she is beautiful in person too.
Reiner Otto
09-29-13, 04:52
I have seen many outdoor bars too and if I have to be sincere it is hard to find a real gem. May be my taste is different from other guys here.Actually with my girl, which I picked from a beer bar on WS, in Krabi, I have to agree to the first one. Took me some time to find her, like you said. In case, you have higher requirements, you should try a gogo. But be aware of high prices, like I mentioned in my previous reports. Note the protests against the prices I paid. Being used to top quality in Ukraine or Russia, where I go quite often during the year, I am not happy with the average quality to be found in Pattaya, too.
Regarding the second statement, looks like we both share some higher level. So, try one of the big Body Massage Salons, on Second Street, between Soi 3 and Soi 1. The (not too young) ladies are good looking, and excellent performers usually.
Hello friends, now I am in Pattaya. There are not many tourists now and girls should be all for me. Jejejeje.
But I have to be sincere with you: it is the first time I visit Pattaya and I'm I so surprised about many girls that you can buy here.
My hotel is at Soi 13. I don't like bars and every night I am at Beach Road. There are many many girls here after the 8:00 pm but it is hard to find a very beautiful girl.
Some ask 2000 bath for ST, other 1500 bath for ST and other 1000 bath for ST. I have seen many outdoor bars too and if I have to be sincere it is hard to find a real gem. May be my taste is different from other guys here and I have to tell you I will not go anymore to Pattaya. Many girls but not for my taste.
I have chatted with a regular girl on Badoo and tomorrow I will meet her in my room. She has some beautiful pics on the net and I hope she is beautiful in person too.Dude, with more than 500 posts, I'm sure you know how the scene works.
Pattaya is an awesome place. Take your time in searching for your taste. You will find it there.
Mr Enternational
09-29-13, 11:17
Regarding the second statement, looks like we both share some higher level. So, try one of the big Body Massage Salons, on Second Street, between Soi 3 and Soi 1. The (not too young) ladies are good looking, and excellent performers usually.How could you know the type of girl the original poster likes without seeing a picture? Or did you just assume that because it was hard for him to find someone for his taste and it is hard for you to find someone for your taste that you both have the same taste?
I don't like bars and every night I am at Beach Road. There are many many girls here after the 8:00 pm but it is hard to find a very beautiful girl.
Some ask 2000 bath for ST, other 1500 bath for ST and other 1000 bath for ST. I have seen many outdoor bars too and if I have to be sincere it is hard to find a real gem. May be my taste is different from other guys here and I have to tell you I will not go anymore to Pattaya. Many girls but not for my taste.Why are they asking you for this money? They usually ask me 500 to 700.
Why are they asking you for this money? They usually ask me 500 to 700.Does your race increase what the girls quote you? If your a farang, will that increase what the girls quote you?
Fast Eddie 48
09-29-13, 23:51
Why are they asking you for this money? They usually ask me 500 to 700.To Opebo.
They know you are a regular not one of the sucker newbie that will paid the tourist price, but for me even at 500 bht cannot find anyone that I like to take home.
Fast Eddie 48
Yeah, I do talk to them, I find it interesting. I've never run across anyone who actually claimed to send thousands home to family. I think they almost all just live hand-to-mouth and just take a few thousand home when they go to visit. Could be wrong of course.Yes completely wrong. Many working girls are supporting several members of family sometimes including gambling debts, and stupid stuff.
Well, I've never lived in Bangkok, but I think of 5,000 baht/month as the upper limit for residence costs anywhere in the kingdom.Ha Ha. Very very wrong again. Inner Bangkok prices are high. You don't get much for 5K and certainly not close in.
CorporateMalaya
09-30-13, 05:42
Wake up and check my watch, its 11am. Miss D is showing no sighs of movement, so I use the time to sober up. Open the balcony door for some ventilation and reduce the fragrance of sex from the room. The body needs some hydration, so opt for some orange juice instead of the stable coffee. Can't be asked walking down again with my cup for the hot water. Rummage around the fridge to get some mangoes and dragon fruit out, perch myself on the scary balcony soaking the sun.
Noon, get into bed for some coochie coo. Miss D, comes around, she looks a bit different from the one I had slept with. Parts of her makeup must have come on to the pillows or she must have had a thorough face wash sometime during the night. Try for some DFK, she bluntly refuses and whines like a child,"not brush". No issue, at least she is up and we end up showering and getting ready for the day. She gives me her number and asks me if I come tonight to visit her tonight. I nod in agreement and walk with her all the way to beach road where she gets on a moped. I walk on to second road and get a songtaew. Its time to pay an old friend a visit so end up at the lane after soi 6 near the bank looking for Mong Tattoo studio, the shop has disappeared and the ladies in bar next door don't have a clue. What a waste of time, and start calculating which will be faster, me walking back to Pattaya Klang or going a full circle in the baht bus. Decide on the baht bus, it is a good way to pass time. Find this gentleman with his version of a sombrero on the truck. He is oblivious to me taking pictures, and smiles from time to time.
Gets off at Dolphin circle, and we get stuck in this bcklog of traffic near Amari. A good 30 minutes later I jump off at CF, for lunch. End up at the food court again, top up a 500 on my card and take a good walk wishing something new has been introduced in the menu. For all the activities I do, I am quite a poor eater and prefer smaller meals from time to time. Decide to go for some pork and the usual lemongrass drink without ice.
Start walking aimlessly and end up in a regular massage place joint opp Ceasars. Decide for a normal thai, and am asked to wait, as some of the girls are on their lunch break. They give me a seat in the hallway outside the main glassed massage hall. TIme to check on the regular world through facebook, the usual checkins at airports, birthday candles, dinners at fancy restaurant, trying to be intellectual forwards and quotes. Should not complain, this is the world I spend my other 11 months in. Time for my massage, into the baba suit and tell them I want the back and legs only. The next thing I remember is somebody asking me to wake up, and advising me to rest more. 200 + 50 tip, I am on the road again. Maybe its time I should get a proper rest. Walk through soi 7 and 8, its completely dead. End up at the back of some bar on WS facing the sea, having my Heineken with a furry fellow for company. Its close to 7pm, time to reflect on the day and plan for the night as twilight falls.
Finish my drink, stock up on some supplies from 7-11 and head back to my room at Jasmine. Lie down on bed for some relaxo, body is tired but the processor in the mind is overclocking on the options for the night. Shower, a fresh set of clothes and am back on WS. Head to the corner of SOi Diamond to grab a pizza. The crust is too thick, but I am too hungry to complain. Watch a lot of talent in Candy shop so head there and grab a table just behind the first row. It is still early and a few seats to be had, am praying for some talent looking for a place to sit join me in the coming hour. Am tempted to opt for a shisha, but what the hell, I have one at home and the flavors they offer here are no match for the traditional Bahraini. It is nearing 11 and the place is getting packed, am getting a lot of eye contact as I hold on to my table. My bad luck, none of the crowd share my table, they keep heading back to the back of the bar. Pay my tab, and decide to move on to ibar.
Place is busy already, and want to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) before I get a table as I am alone. Back outside, take a walk to the end near the sea inspecting the talent. Sheesha-sheesha everywhere, would look odd if I sat here and didn't order one. So I head back to the entrance, am only half way there, that something starts lugging to the back of my trouser. Its the dane's gf from a night before. She invites back to their table where M Dane has just bought a full tray of shooters for the gf and her troupe. This routine continues into the night, with Mr Dane buying trays after tray and paying for each round in cash. My throat starts feeling odd after a couple, so I stick to my JD and coke. The Dane offers me a bottle. 1600 baht+ if I remember correct. I politely decline, I don't take favors from people I have just met nor am I capable of finishing it alone. Finishing the bottle wouldn't be much of any issue, as I observe on every other table girls are feasting on whatever is placed in the middle, moving from drink to drink based on whats available, no drink ethic. Dane's GF wants to do dance and gets me off the stool. Do a small dance with some her of pals joining in, reach for a cigarette on the table and am shocked to find it cleaned by the gang of ladies, mea culpa. Whisper to the Dane, I need to get some fags and a sandwich. Turn left to the nearest 7-11 and get a pack of M'boro lights with those shocking pictures on the cover, a sandwich and some water. Do a quick WS reconnaissance, eating and drinking along the way. Reach Baccara and turn back around to ibar. Luckily, the drinks are still there. Some more dancing on songs I don't know or will ever play in my car, tell the dane good night and I shall see him upstairs later.
Get myself a table and order a double jack and water. Drink the water slowly and leave the jack for the sake of appearance. A few minutes later a very nice dusky lady comes and stands on the table next to me. Wait for her to make her next 360 sweep to exchange a smile, she smiles back. I get up and ask her if she would like to share my table. She agrees and we do some chit chat, she was with some Turkish man for a week, he got into a fight and now she is single and free. I liked her attitude and simplicity, she even ordered a round for me. We kept on chatting and decide to head out for a go go tour. Tried Living Dolls which was nearby, and chatted up some hot dusky bird with big knockers. Needed a refill of cash so walked back down Soi BJ, near the hotel she asks what this place was. I tell her this is where I am put up. She likes the view from the balcony and we do some DFK right there and decide to chill in the room. Some more beers and talk till 4 am, then a quick shower and hit the sheets. She is very affectionate and has a very soulful face and eyes. Give her a good licking, and she gives me a great BJ making some funny sound in her throat while she is at it which I find very amusing and a bit later distracting. Takes the whole load in her mouth, we crash and I ask her for a wee massage to put me to bed. She obliges and brings day 3 to a conclusion. Started day 4 with a great BJ from Miss R, her name in Thai means gem, and she truly was. I really just loved her face and lips, so kissable. We showered and went out for breakfast to Kiss Foods near Soi Diana. Really wanted to hold on to her, but with only 2 days left, I had to give her the usual words of I will call you yaa and move on. Decided to do some shopping, so off to Tuk. Com. There is this DVD chain Mangpong, where I pick my suitcase full of DVD's for home. This shop is staffed by 2 geeky boys who are very much into movies.
I prefer this shop to MBK Bangkok which is real busy and full of tourists at any given time. I get my usual hand cart, slip it on the floor and start looking for latest releases. This place is real economy and the prints are pretty decent. I generally get a lot of Japanese horror, foreign language and independent films which never get released or distributed in the gulf. Only thing you have to be careful of is to check the subtitles, as sometimes they are only in Thai.
Spent a good hour and a half here with the guys, even showed them their pic I took on a previous tip. Paid off and asked them to hold on to my parcel while I did a little tour upstairs.
The usual so trinkets and cosmetics, and some cute promotion staff. Went a floor more to the mobile ghetto and got some girly phone covers for S3 and Iphone to be given as gifts later. Came across this very cute T-shirt packed in a box, bargained and got it for 300 baht, a set of two t-shirts one for a boy and one for a girl with some funny slogan. Back down, parcel in hand. A little walk around the gay / french quarter. Wanted to check out Mosaik for my next stay, decided to give it a skip. A few pictures and back on a moto-taxi to deposit the loot in my duffel. Slept for a while and decided to watch the sunset again from Beach Road. Spotted this group of tourists with this hottie amongst them. Cursed myself for not carrying my SLR, is any body has a problem I will take them off. Strangely, this girl spotted me and maintained eye contact while I was snapping her. Me a true people catcher continued being glued to the eye piece giving her the impression I am shooting something else and later panned away. Started by wee walk back and ended up in Pattaya Beer Garden, started with some coffee and ordered a main course after the sun had set as I had already got myself a nice sea view table already. The steak was pretty ordinary, and the ambiance was bit dark too with the solitary candle making it difficult to see what you are eating. The place was dead at this time, the inside section I mean where the free lancers are supposed to hang out. I could only see couples and a few falang groups. Paid my tab and made my way through the beer bar complex, I spotted this nice looking face. Got myself a drink and took it slowly, can't drink really after a meal. She was spelling some words out using a board game which I found very amusing. Decided to bar fine her, considering her youth a tender 19. 10 minutes later we are in our room waiting for the other to make the first move. Miss 19, turned out to be a bushy wonder. Had smooth, supple skin (like a child) and a decent rack. Had to do most of the training for the next 2 hours. She did everything with a gentle nod and I used my judgement by gauging her expressions of continuing acts she liked and stopping what she didn't. Coming to 10 pm I gave her cash, a kiss on her forehead and sent her packing. Passed out on the bed, for a while waking up at around 1 am with a call from Miss R. She was coming to ibar and wanted me to join her. I asked her that I was feeling a bit groggy and asked her if she would join me in my room. 30 mins later, we are in bed watching some Thai soap in our birthday suits. Sleep off, action postponed to tomorrow.
Woke up very refreshed, a bit of sleep and spacing the sex can be a good thing. Got ourselves some noodles from the soi and fresh fruits. A super round of sex followed the breakfast, one of the most erotic sessions of my life. We showered and went back to bed again for another about. Got a knock from housekeeping around noon, a greedy woman who always demands tips. So I kept a mountain of coins on the dresser just for her. I tell her I am tired and will be some time in the room and plant some of the coins in her palm. Another shower and we are ready for the world outside. This girl doesn't mention any money, and I play along just to verify what is her agenda. We walk all the way to the end of WS, she jumps onto a S'taew and she is off. Wow, what a woman. Who gives freebies. I only have a day left, so defer all maths about Miss R and our future prospects and continue my day.
Call up Bell for my transfer to BKK for tomorrow noon, one last round of CF and lunch at the food court, some more cash from Kasikorn for last nights festivities. Spend the rest of the day taking pics around WS and some of the other soi's. Do a traditional oil massage and get back to the room for some ZZZ. Time to hit to the go go's. I find we always waste a lot of cash on the last night, it is just nature, to save the best for last. What actually happens, is that in that hurry to do more and have more fun we end up with the more mediocre, star fish type of girls. And this is exactly what happened with me. The first barfine was very early at around 10pm. A big boobed wonder from one of the smaller go go's on the right, the only thing I remember is her number was no 1.
Unfortunately her 36C's didn't compensate for her lack of enthusiasm in bed, it was a hurried job like a master chef pressure challenge. 1 minute left, fuckkkkkkk. Recovering from this sad event, decided to cheer myself up at Windmills. Had a girl stroking cock within 5 mins of me getting a seat near the exit. She was nice looking but what really got me was that blank look in her eyes all the time she was with me. Tipped her a 100 and moved to the table on the back left where 2 girls were doing the banana and ice routine.
Another punter was licking one of them out, so the other offered me her honey pot. I have still some inhibitions to shed when it comes to doing acts in public so I decline. She keeps on insisting and offers me her bum instead. I will be begged for tips when the finish the act so I insert my index into her bum hole. She starts jerking her entire hip taking my hand with her, oh god this has to stop. I disengage and ask for one of the nicer looking girls who is dancing on the table next to join me. Get her a drink and start fondling her boobies while she robotically strokes my cock. I hate this kind of disconnect, so I pay my tab and am out.
Heaven Above Next. Heaven above looks busy, some kind of party. Can see Mr Pig being roasted on the left hand side. Hmm, perfect. Just when I was getting hungry.
Enter and try to find a seat, am given one of the portable chairs near the poles, perfect. Not much of back support, but good scenery all around. Get some eye contact from Ms Dusky from the previous night, she wants to some tequila shots but claims she is not bar finable, bla bla and only a certain gentry can afford her. Bla bla. Clear my tab and get outside to get some sausages and bread before its too late. Meet another Briton Dave or Dennis (can't recollect) , who makes great conversation, he turns out to be the co owner of the joints. We head back inside and am introduced to a lot of folk at the back near the DJ, seems all friends of the owner and other regulars. Get some positive signal from another skinny lass in a red lingerie who has just come of her shift on the poles. Get her a drink and do the usual get to know each other chit chat. Doesn't do LT, so I give my good byes and head out. Want to try Happy but get the usual members only talk, walk back from the alley and head to ibar. One drink is consumed looking for talent from end to end, head upstairs and bump into the Great Dane again. Up to the VIP, decide to just enjoy the evening, pulling will have to take a back seat. Have a dance and drink with around 4 girls, that night waiting for a proposition. I know when I am drunk and coming to 4 am, I decide to end the last evening on a high. Walk back to the hotel and tell the reception to wake me at any cost at 10am.
TBC in the Bangkok thread. Have attached a few pics which depict the story line.
Get her a drink and start fondling her boobies while she again robotically strokes my cock.Damn, I too hate when this happens! :D
Good TR, thank you!
Cunning Stunt
09-30-13, 10:13
the windmill club must be the nastiest go2 bar in pattaya (in the nicest possible way). within minutes of entering, i had one girl in a bowling ball grip with forefinger inserted in her ass and thumb up her twat whilst another girl was gyrating her juicy bits just inches from my face and inviting me to shove an unpeeled banana up her (memo to self - never ever order a banana sundae in the windmill). and all for the price of a few ladydrinks. later, witnessed a marvelously erotic scene play out. a guy had brought his bi-curious thai gf to the bar and and told one of the bg's, who was a self professed lezzie, about her. his gf proceeded to get near raped by the horny bg. very entertaining. this is the place to come if you are with your gf and want to make a threesomes.
barfines are a bit steep though at 1000 if you want to take a girl lt.
the windmill club must be the nastiest go2 bar in pattaya (in the nicest possible way). within minutes of entering, i had one girl in a bowling ball grip with forefinger inserted in her ass and thumb up her twat whilst another girl was gyrating her juicy bits just inches from my face and inviting me to shove an unpeeled banana up her (memo to self. never ever order a banana sundae in the windmill). and all for the price of a few ladydrinks. later, witnessed a marvelously exotic scene play out. a guy had brought his bi-curious thai gf to the bar and and told one of the bg's, who was a self professed lezzie, about her. his gf proceeded to get near raped by the horny bg. very entertaining. this is the place to come if you are with your gf and want to make a threesomes.
barfines are a bit steep though at 1000 if you want to take a girl lt.pataya bf now goes up to 1000bht? wow! in bangkok be it st or lt, bf is unified in all bars at 600 bht only.
in the past, in my memory pataya always stay the lowest as compare to bangkok, be it lt or st. i wonder how much they charge now? my last visit way back 4 years ago in pataya, i pay 3500bht but i know that is way high for lt as i like the girl, so i just give it. but in my last trip few months ago to bkk, the lt still at 4000 bht and st at 2000 bht.
cheers,
md
Cunning Stunt
09-30-13, 10:50
Pataya BF now goes up to 1000BHT? Wow! In Bangkok be it ST or LT, BF is unified in all bars at 600 BHT only.
In the past, in my Memory Pataya always stay the lowest as compare to Bangkok, be it LT or ST. I wonder how much they charge now? My last visit way back 4 years ago in Pataya, I pay 3500bht but I know that is way high for LT as I like the girl, so I just give it. But in my last trip few months ago to BKK, the LT still at 4000 BHT and ST at 2000 bht.
Cheers,
MDThink it is only The Windmill that has a two tiered Barfines system at 700 st and 1000 long.
To be fair, the girl only asked 2k LT (1k st) and actually stayed until morning.
Hotman 666
09-30-13, 12:25
Beach Road (Coconut Bar.)
There are still many available playmates on Beach Road. Virtually 24/7.
This has always been a Happy Hunting Ground for me when I want some afternoon company.
I must admit that I do NOT go there expecting to meet a 'Model Type' but am more than happy to have a few hours playtime with a 'Girl next door' type with a good attitude at a very reasonable price.
Many of the girls are now starting negotiations at 600 or 700 Baht (some are, rather optimistically trying for 1000 Baht!) but my recent experience is that most will drop the asking price to the norm of 500 Baht rather quickly.
There is also the possibility of finding a 'civilian' who is enjoying a few hours or a day off from work and happy to have some fun (and a few extra Baht) with a Jai Dee Farang.
I read a post a few days ago about the reconstruction of Beach Road. And the seating arrangements.
Yes, there do seem to be fixings already in place for benches to be fitted about every 50 mtrs from around Soi 2 down to Central Road. But I did not see anything in place South of Central Road.
Currently the girls seen to be taking advantage of the sandbags that are on the edge of the beach walk to sit down but these are only there during construction and, I am sure, will soon be removed. I do hope that they will be installing benches there as well for the girls to sit and for our viewing / interviewing pleasure.
Enjoy,
Hotman
Member #4698
09-30-13, 14:04
Think it is only The Windmill that has a two tiered Barfines system at 700 st and 1000 long. To be fair, the girl only asked 2k LT (1k st) and actually stayed until morning.What's Up has a two tiered barfine system too. It is designed a little different than the one in Windmill. At What's Up, barfines before 12:30am are 2000bt. After 12:30am the barfine is 1000bt. This system is designed to keep the girls in the bar until after midnight and it works. The result is that punters spend more on drinks waiting for the magic moment and the place is really lively and happening most of the evening unlike a lot of other Go Go's that see a lot of girls disappear early. In fact, What's Up is at its best and busiest from around 11pm to 12:30am. I hate this barfine pricing structure, but what can I do, What's Up has some of the best looking girls in any Go Go in Pattaya or all of LOS for that matter. I have a favorite girl in What's Up and believe me she is a stunner. I have barfined her many times and spent many afternoons with her. It is all very GFE. We have a deal. If I want to see her on a particular evening I just call her in the afternoon and tell her I want her that night. The deal is she won't barfine another customer provided I show up before midnight to honor my reservation so to speak. That gives me most of the evening 8pm to 11:45 to barhop and meet other girls or do whatever I want. I then show up at What's Up before midnight, spend an hour in the bar at it's peak time, buy my girl a couple of drinks at the most, and have a great time. Sometimes when I show up she may be sitting with a Japanese or Western customer who is buying her drinks. I sit down at a table, give her a discreet smile, check out all the beautiful girls, say hi to the ones I know, smile at the others I want to know in the future, and order myself a drink. It does not take long for my girl to extricate herself and join me. At the magic hour she changes clothes, I pay the barfine (1000bt) and we go out for dinner before going back to my hotel room for boom boom.
I know some forum members will object to the pricing at this bar. I don't like it much myself. But I have yet to find any Go Go in Pattaya with better looking girls. All things being equal, meaning the sex is as good here as elsewhere and GFE is available, I chose to pay up for quality looks. In any case, I suggest you guys go to What's Up around 11:30pm and see for yourself what all the hubbub is about. You may like it / you may hate it. Up to you.
Jack Of Spades
09-30-13, 14:35
the windmill club must be the nastiest go2 bar in pattaya (in the nicest possible way). within minutes of entering, i had one girl in a bowling ball grip with forefinger inserted in her ass and thumb up her twat whilst another girl was gyrating her juicy bits just inches from my face and inviting me to shove an unpeeled banana up her (memo to self. never ever order a banana sundae in the windmill). and all for the price of a few ladydrinks. later, witnessed a marvelously erotic scene play out. a guy had brought his bi-curious thai gf to the bar and and told one of the bg's, who was a self professed lezzie, about her. his gf proceeded to get near raped by the horny bg. very entertaining. this is the place to come if you are with your gf and want to make a threesomes.
barfines are a bit steep though at 1000 if you want to take a girl lt.how do the girls compare looks wise to the other bars? i could see myself living in a place like this. literally!
jack of spades
FoxesHunter
09-30-13, 15:11
I must admit that I do NOT go there expecting to meet a 'Model Type' but am more than happy to have a few hours playtime with a 'Girl next door' type with a good attitude at a very reasonable price.Dear Hotman,
What do you mean about 'Girl next door' type? I'm in Beach Road now and I have to tell you all the girls are hardened prostitutes calling passers with the hands and some runs towards you and hugs you. Nice and kind girls, I like their character but certainly 'Girl next door' type.
However after days of searching and testing I found a wonderful girl on Badoo. It is a regular girl not working. She needed money ad for two hours asked me 1500 bath. Her body is 9. 5, her face is 9, attitude is 7. I hope the second time I will meet her I can get better performance. I hope!
Cunning Stunt
10-01-13, 04:19
How do the girls compare looks wise to the other bars? I could see myself living in a place like this. Literally!
Do you mean in Pattaya or the bar itself? If the latter, they do have a ST room on the premises. Maybe they will rent it out to you. LOL!
Looks wise, I should say that the Windmill girls hold up quite well. Not the quality of one of the better clubs in town but then again you are not getting the attitude either. Just XxX rated entertainment. Mainly 6"s and 7"s with a couple of 8"s thrown in. Didn't see any old girls. Mainly young totty between 18-25.
I would recommend every guy try to get to The Windmill at least once whilst in Pattaya. The place might not be to everyone's taste but the girls are not up themselves like in some places and it is certified 100 per cent fun.
I love it when someone says she's a regular girl not a working girl but she asks for 1500 for 2 hrs.
I will be in Pattaya next week and I will be looking for lots of regular girls like that.
Dear All,
Is the shuttle busses from suvanmaphone airport in bankok to Pattaya has schedule every hours what is the last trip of the day?
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
MD
Dear All,
Is the shuttle busses from suvanmaphone airport in bankok to Pattaya has schedule every hours what is the last trip of the day?
Thanks in advance.
Cheers,
MDHttp://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3415-Logistics-Bus-from-Bangkok-to-Pattaya-return
About a year ago I was bar hopping on Walking Street. I wandered into yet another go go without looking at the name. The interior was red if I recall correctly, with plush seats on the walls. It wasn't very big. There were a decent number of girls dancing, topless, and a big percentage of them were porn star type with big fake tits. I took two out and had the time of my life. I just returned and did the same bar crawl over a three day period but never found that bar or any bar with a large percentage of big fake tits. LK Metro too was almost devoid of silicone. Does anyone have a clue which club I went to the first time, or can recommended a club with a good amount of plastic?
Evil Penivel
10-03-13, 03:43
This thing about girls asking different prices for different customers make me upset, it's like the carpenter would take care of you're house for 1000$ but charge 2000$ if some other guy were the house owner.
I don't go to prostitutes to feel less attractive compaired to one other guy, then I could just go to the nightclub back home.
What is wrong with these prostitutes in Thailand, they're not a bunch of college girls going to the nightclub for fun and to only sleep with prince charming, they're prostitutes sleeping with customers as their profession to be able to support their families and themselves.There is no ISO standard for P4P performance, no union scale for compensation. The girls don't have one set price for all customers, just like all customers don't offer the same compensation to all girls. Each transaction is unique, with a myriad of factors determining what any girl or customer will offer / accept at a given moment. A girl can make two wildly different offers to two different customers in the space of five minutes and at 1. 00 a. M, she may be willing to accept a lower offer from a customer she'd initially declined a few hours earlier for even more than that amount.
A lot of it comes down to the luck of the draw. The experience of others can be a useful for getting a idea of what is normally paid by some punters to the girls, but such "price guides" are never deterministic. On any night, in any bar in Pattaya, a punter may end up paying more or less than what many consider the most commonly paid price. Whether he accepts or rejects a premium price will be decided by how much he values that particular girl's services at just that moment.
Forget the rules and ceilings on compensation spouted by a few skint ex-pats. Pay the girl what you consider to be fair and she's willing to accept. If you're happy and she's happy, then the price was right. Don't pay more than you can afford, but don't worry about what anyone else claims to pay.
But after all, how will one explain the gogo girls asking twice as much today compared to a couple of years ago if it ain't because of the overpayers?Again, the problem is consistency and universality. It's not a general rule that go go dancers are getting double what they did a couple of years ago. There are about 90 go go bars in Pattaya and between 10 and 20 coyote-style places. Thousands of girls work in those bars and many are being compensated at the same rate they were in 2011. It's at the top-end of the scale that prices have risen for a few popular girls whose services are much in demand.
Also, the notion that prices have gone up sharply for all go go girls would assume there was one set price for go go girls in the past and there never has been. Since the very earliest days of farang-facing P4P on the "Golden Mile" in Bangkok in the 1960's, there have been differentiated prices among the girls. There was never a time when all girls, young, old, attractive and unattractive, got the same price.
However, there have always been guys who have had a "fixed limit" on how much there are willing to give the girls, usually an extreme low-ball figure. It's true that those guys probably have a harder time finding companionship these days in the top go gos, simply because the girls are less desperate than they once were.
The "elite level" girls are also more selective about taking risks on new customers and tend to knock back more requests than before. Since the earliest days of P4P in Thailand, girls have used a high price to refuse customers they find undesirable. It doesn't matter how closely the dude resembles Jack the Ripper, Quasimodo or a circus fat man, he still rather hear from the girl, "5, 000 baht for short time," than "You're so hideously repulsive I wouldn't f*ck you for any amount of money." It's the Thai way of saving the customer's face. It also leaves the door open for her accepting a lower fee from him in future if she needs money badly and doesn't have a better option.
Evil
It's not a general rule that go go dancers are getting double what they did a couple of years ago. There are about 90 go go bars in Pattaya and between 10 and 20 coyote-style places. Thousands of girls work in those bars and many are being compensated at the same rate they were in 2011. It's at the top-end of the scale that prices have risen for a few popular girls whose services are much in demand. EvilYes, I'm afraid that it is indeed a "general" rule that the price of go-go girls has in fact doubled within the last six years and that most of the increase in cost has occured just within the last two years. Of course there are many exceptions among the girls at the several go-go bars in Pattaya and punters will likely find the general rule more rigidly observed in the higher end go-go establishments.
Average to below average girls at the Happy Group of go-go's, for example, are demanding 2000 baht for short time which is double what they were demanding only 2 years ago. Most of them are not budging even if it means they don't get bar fined. The top stunners in these bars, that is the most popular girls, are asking even more. I know of instances where they are asking and getting as much as 5000 baht for short time. They ask that much because they know they can get it; not because they are trying to knock back the punter because they might not like him.
Even the prices on Soi 6 have increased substantially over the last two years. The cost for girl plus room two years ago, again as a general rule, was not more than 1000 baht all in. Now it is more likely 1350 all in except for girls with below average looks who are much more inclined to accept less because they need the money.
Punters can still find cheap service on Beach Road but even there the better looking girls are starting to demand more; whether they like the customer or not, they know they can get it.
Let's face it; the price for pussy in Pattaya has gone up significantly as a "general rule" nowadays while the value of the dollar has declined substantially against the Thai Baht. Pussy is a lot more expensive here now. All around and all things considered, however, it's still a good deal and Pattaya is still IMHO a great place to pursue the mongering hobby.
MayanKanand
10-03-13, 05:54
The "elite level" girls are also more selective about taking risks on new customers and tend to knock back more requests than before. Since the earliest days of P4P in Thailand, girls have used a high price to refuse customers they find undesirable. It doesn't matter how closely the dude resembles Jack the Ripper, Quasimodo or a circus fat man, he still rather hear from the girl,"5, 000 baht for short time," than "You're so hideously repulsive I wouldn't f*ck you for any amount of money." It's the Thai way of saving the customer's face. It also leaves the door open for her accepting a lower fee from him in future if she needs money badly and doesn't have a better option.
EvilI have had this couple of time. I thought the girls were being so greedy! Never explored the possibility of them saying no. But, looking back, I agree, it could also have been a reason.
Hotman 666
10-03-13, 15:36
Let's face it; the price for pussy in Pattaya has gone up significantly as a "general rule" nowadays while the value of the dollar has declined substantially against the Thai Baht. Pussy is a lot more expensive here now. All around and all things considered, however, it's still a good deal and Pattaya is still IMHO a great place to pursue the mongering hobby.Daddy,
I would agree with you that the INITIAL ASKING prices in Pattaya have certainly increased.
However, if you have some previous experience, are not completely repulsive and perhaps speak a few words of Thai then the final price paid is not so different to that of a few years ago.
This is just MY experience and I have to qualify my comments by saying that this ONLY relates to Beach Road. And Bar Beers. (As I rarely take playmates from Go Go's.)
One thing that I will add.
When I was much younger my experience was that the rule of 'no money, no honey' firmly applied in Thailand.
Now, when I am MUCH older and uglier, I seem to get 'freebee's' with civilians rather regularly both in BKK and Pattaya with just the costs of a Thai meal for two or a couple of drinks and a little taxi money involved.
Don't as me why but perhaps I am rather more laid back and relaxed now about the whole scene.
I am certainly a LOT more experienced and I do always try to treat my playmates as 'human beings' rather than 'pieces of meat. '
I regularly find that girls are also happy to stay with me rather longer than the minimum expected time and are happy to meet again with NO mention or expectation of money changing hands.
I have been told by my playmates that I am Jai Dee and that the time together with me is Sannuk Mak Mar!
I have recently returned home from Thailand and, together with a good amount of P4P managed two 'freebee's in Bangkok and two in Pattaya without any huge effort. Go figure!
Enjoy,
Hotman
Daddy,
However, if you have some previous experience, are not completely repulsive and perhaps speak a few words of Thai then the final price paid is not so different to that of a few years ago.
I have been told by my playmates that I am Jai Dee and that the time together with me is Sannuk Mak Mar!
Hotman
Yes, since it's 'mag mag' I guess you really only speak a few words of Thai. You'd think with all your 'experience' you'd learn at least the most basic of Thai words. What exactly do you talk about with all these supposed Thai civilians you're pulling in ?
And who says Daddy doesn't have experience, doesn't treat the Thai women with respect, doesn't treat them as 'pieces of meat', isn't 'jai dii, isn't 'completely repulsive' and all the other bullshit assumptions you've piled on him. It might have nothing to do with the punter but prices having increased for every day living and the insane amount of tourists shoveling through Pattaya. You're such a HOT STUD who somehow pulls in all these Thai women with zero Thai speaking capacity you tell me. BTW, in my experience Jai dii means the same as siu nung, look it up because I know you haven't a clue what it means.
The price for a skanker off beach road hasn't changed appreciably but 19 year old go-go hotties are asking 2000-2500 short time (and only short time).
I'm posting this from Pattaya where I'm leaving today back for Bangers, another place where prices have gone up except for the lowest rent fuglies.
Well, I've never lived in Bangkok, but I think of 5,000 baht/month as the upper limit for residence costs anywhere in the kingdom. I have been to Singapore a couple of times - it was nice enough. I seem to remember paying more like 1,500 baht equivalent for short time service with non-Chinese girls (if I remember rightly Chinese were even more, but I don't like Chinese).5000 baht won't get you much of a place in Singapore, maybe a hostel. Though if you're making the minimum 2 or 3 thousand USD a month for a "foreign talent", then splurging a bit on living & entertainment expenses becomes an option, as well as long term investment deposits. Most street walkers may ask 50 SG which is 40 USD or 1200 baht from farangs, but I've been offered half that, even from PRC Chinese, as have others of our kind.
Yes completely wrong. Many working girls are supporting several members of family sometimes including gambling debts, and stupid stuff.
Ha Ha. Very very wrong again. Inner Bangkok prices are high. You don't get much for 5K and certainly not close in.Had a TG tell me the other day she paid a mere 3000 baht for her room with AC only a 10 minute bike ride from NEP in BKK. She seemed quite pleased with this find.
El Frances
10-05-13, 17:00
After reading a few posts on this topic, I would say the truth is "in the middle". It is true that the price has increased in the top places, in particular those patronized by Asian customers. If you see a place with losts of Asian customers, you can be sure it has an effect on the price. It is also true that it is rather recent (just to name an example, the "super" bars fixed tarif was 1500 ST / 2500 LT 2 years ago, and now 2000/3000. And anyway the top girls in this bar will probably not look at you are not a big tipping japanese ATM). It is also true that it has an effect on the other bars (and on the less pretty girls). It is often possible to negotiate a bit, but not too much (I. E. In WS gogos, difficult to get less than 1500 ST / 2000-2500 LT, less in Soi Bukhao area). As concerns the less pretty girls, some accept lower prices, some don't. It depends of the girl's proudness and needs (I. E. To pay room rent) , late time, alcohol.
Having said that, there plenty of cheaper opportunities if you spend some time on it. And if you entertain the girl and not only fuck her. I have a 18 yo FL in Bangkok for 2000 LT / 24h, a pretty 23 yo WS beer bar girl in Pattaya for 1500 LT (untill around 2 pm) , a gorgeous 22 yo gogo friend for 2000 middle time (from around 10 pm to 3/4 am) , and sometimes find a gem in Insomnia for 1000 LT plus small tip. Precision: I am not young.
Moreover (for newbies) , if you ask "how much you want?", you are nearly sure to be overpriced. You need to know the price and shoot first "I give you this, OK?" (It is wise to keep a margin for negotiation.)
FoxesHunter
10-05-13, 17:30
Hello,
I'd like to share another experience on Pattaya. On my previous post I have told you about Pattaya girls. I have told you I don't like Pattaya girls and it is very hard to find a real gem. Yesterday I had a good luck. I have chatted with a regular girl on Badoo. She before was reluctant to come to my room because she was shy. Later she has undertood I am a different guy who don't like to fuck every girl in Patta, therefore she came to my room. On Badoo she was beautiful more than many other girls but when I met her at the lobby of my hotel she was shiny, a very beautiful girl, a real gem. My heart was beating with thousand beats per minute. The first time I get with her a normal sex. The second time she burst out. She get two orgasm and me too. She is very hot and likes very much to fuck. Every time I gave her 2000 bath for about two hours but she deserves more for the delight she gives me. Now every day I like to meet her and she is very happy to meet me. These are the histories I like to tell.
This is all.
Wolf Hound
10-06-13, 09:28
Hello, I'd like to share another experience on Pattaya. On my previous post I have told you about Pattaya girls. I have told you I don't like Pattaya girls and it is very hard to find a real gem. Yesterday I had a good luck. I have chatted with a regular girl on Badoo. She before was reluctant to come to my room because she was shy. Later she has undertood I am a different guy who don't like to fuck every girl in Patta, therefore she came to my room. On Badoo she was beautiful more than many other girls but when I met her at the lobby of my hotel she was shiny, a very beautiful girl, a real gem. My heart was beating with thousand beats per minute. The first time I get with her a normal sex. The second time she burst out. She get two orgasm and me too. She is very hot and likes very much to fuck. Every time I gave her 2000 bath for about two hours but she deserves more for the delight she gives me. Now every day I like to meet her and she is very happy to meet me. These are the histories I like to tell.
This is all.Just to confirm, you have been chatting with a 'regular girl' on Badoo in order to try and give off the impression you are different to the hoards of sex seekers. Yet she then fucks you on the first meet and pay her 2k every time?
What is the matter with some of you people? You are dealing with prostitutes.
FoxesHunter
10-06-13, 17:46
Just to confirm, you have been chatting with a 'regular girl' on Badoo in order to try and give off the impression you are different to the hoards of sex seekers. Yet she then fucks you on the first meet and pay her 2k every time?Just to confirm. If I understand fine what you are telling me. How much do you pay for a very beautiful sex worker or prostitute for 2-3 hours?
Just got to Pattaya, any fellow mongers kind enough to show me around tonight? PM me
Mr Enternational
10-07-13, 15:19
Just to confirm, you have been chatting with a 'regular girl' on Badoo in order to try and give off the impression you are different to the hoards of sex seekers. Yet she then fucks you on the first meet and pay her 2k every time?
What is the matter with some of you people? You are dealing with prostitutes.Welcome to ISG, where the motto seems to be,"I know you are not a hooker, but since we fucked here is some money for you." And it's funny how he gave the regular girl more than the real hooker would have required, THEN said she deserves more. Land of Smiles turns into Land of Schmucks when some of these guys get off the plane.
Will be in Pattaya in a couple of days. The reason so many guys get played over there is because they fool themselves.
They don't seem to realize they are in a money based relationship.
At one time, I would try to advise them what was going on but they won't believe me. Now I just smile and say good for you knowing soon they will be back crying in their beer.
Sure Thing
10-08-13, 03:02
Hello, I'd like to share another experience on Pattaya. On my previous post I have told you about Pattaya girls. I have told you I don't like Pattaya girls and it is very hard to find a real gem. Yesterday I had a good luck. I have chatted with a regular girl on Badoo. She before was reluctant to come to my room because she was shy. Later she has undertood I am a different guy who don't like to fuck every girl in Patta, therefore she came to my room. On Badoo she was beautiful more than many other girls but when I met her at the lobby of my hotel she was shiny, a very beautiful girl, a real gem. My heart was beating with thousand beats per minute. The first time I get with her a normal sex. The second time she burst out. She get two orgasm and me too. She is very hot and likes very much to fuck. Every time I gave her 2000 bath for about two hours but she deserves more for the delight she gives me. Now every day I like to meet her and she is very happy to meet me. These are the histories I like to tell.
This is all.This guy is trolling us right? This has to be a joke just to mess with us.
Member #4387
10-08-13, 04:50
Hello, I'd like to share another experience on Pattaya. On my previous post I have told you about Pattaya girls. I have told you I don't like Pattaya girls and it is very hard to find a real gem. Yesterday I had a good luck. I have chatted with a regular girl on Badoo. She before was reluctant to come to my room because she was shy. Later she has undertood I am a different guy who don't like to fuck every girl in Patta, therefore she came to my room. On Badoo she was beautiful more than many other girls but when I met her at the lobby of my hotel she was shiny, a very beautiful girl, a real gem. My heart was beating with thousand beats per minute. The first time I get with her a normal sex. The second time she burst out. She get two orgasm and me too. She is very hot and likes very much to fuck. Every time I gave her 2000 bath for about two hours but she deserves more for the delight she gives me. Now every day I like to meet her and she is very happy to meet me. These are the histories I like to tell.
This is all.Sorry but your effort turning your "hook up with this prostitute story" into a love story failes big time. I can see the comedy in it though as I laughed. Laughed in a non disrespectful way I might add. You try fuck her and don't give her something then you can get back at us and tell us how things turned out. Best wishes.
Just to confirm. If I understand fine what you are telling me. How much do you pay for a very beautiful sex worker or prostitute for 2-3 hours?Between 1000 and 1500b.
FoxesHunter
10-08-13, 06:50
Between 1000 and 1500b.I'm sorry but I don't believe you. Are you 25 years old and you look as Rodolofo Valentino or Casanova?
1500for her +500 barfine = 2000 bath.
I stayed in Pattaya for 12 days. If you don't want to pay the barfine you have to walk on the street. Some days ago I walked on Beach Road at 9:00 pm and I counted the prostitutes on this street. They were more than 150 sex workers and do you know how many girls were real gems? There were 2 gems only. I have asked them their prices and they asked me 2000 bath for 2-3 hours. Therefore either your calculations are wrong or you like many more girls than me.
I'd like to tell you also I chose two girls on Beach Road in different days and to my great surprise I knew they both were from Udon Thani town. Udon Thani is a town on the border with Laos. It was incredible: among 150 girls I chose 2 girls from Udon Thani town. It means I don't like thai girls, or better I like only few thai girls. My God it is a matter of tastes. Therefore when I tell you about real gems it mean real gems really. What more can I say? Then if you get a good relationship with them for some days. It is the maximum for me.
El Frances
10-08-13, 13:42
Just to confirm. If I understand fine what you are telling me. How much do you pay for a very beautiful sex worker or prostitute for 2-3 hours?Depends who, where, when. For Freelancers and beer bar girls, it usually doesn't exceed 1000. Long time (overnight) , usually doesn't exceeds 1500, eventually 2000 in case of a real gem barfined every night. For Gogo girls. 1500/2000 ST in Walking street (2000/3000 LT overnight usually) .1000/1500 ST in soi Bukhao area. Plus barfine, of course if she works in a bar.
This is of course the price during working hours (evening / night). If you ask a girl to come to your room during the afternoon, even beautiful gogo girls will be happy with 1000. Expats often do that
Dodgy Fellow
10-09-13, 15:37
Fellow mongers,
Just arrived in Pattaya, and was targeted by a gang of pickpockets on the baht bus.
I am guessing they were prowling about at the airport bus station, and quickly got on the baht bus with me after they saw me lugging my stuff. There were about 5 to 6 of them, including a tranny. The rest seem to be in their teens. Mostly girls along with a boy who seemed a bit older.
I had noticed something odd when the ladyboy decided to sit beside me, despite the space beside me being cramped AND the fact that the seat opposite me was empty. The fella was also carrying several large shopping bags, which he laid on top of his lap. The others filled the baht bus, flanking me on both sides.
I moved my hands to cover where I usually keep my wallet, and tried to act cool about it. Not sure if I did pull it off; there were a few Chinese tourists also on the bus, and they didn't notice anything going on.
Eventually, as we approached the intersection leading to walking street, the ladyboy asked one of his male companions something. Then the other guy asked me what time it was.
I told him the time without checking my watch. It helps that one of the Chinese tourists was wearing one. A few moments later, the group got off. I quickly checked my stuff to see if anything was amiss.
Sure enough, my hand-carry was already partially opened. The camera bag inside was also opened.
Nothing was missing, fortunately. But that was a close call. I don't even remember if they paid the baht bus driver when they got off. I reckon they would have made back their day's bus fare if they had stolen my stuff. Or the baht bus drivers know who they are, and turn a blind eye either for fear of reprisals / they get a cut.
This is the first time it's happened to me in Pattaya: stay alert folks.
Zeppelin029
10-10-13, 23:02
Hey folks, quick report fro Pattaya as I'm here now. More a cautionary take than anything.
First 2 days have been pretty good, excellent GFE x2.
Tonight, started in Sois 7-8 wandering around. Personally think that the beer bars do offer talent, just a matter of searching properly. Anyway, I decide on gogo hopping, start off in Baccara, have to agree, best girls I've seen here, and the mostl but very busy, most of the others I check are pretty quiet.
Head into Alcatraz where they are playing semi them. Good start. Mosey, around, extremely attractive girl is getting it on with ahoy next to me. Alas, by the time I get my shit together to get my target girl, she's been bar fined. Not to worry, the first girl has been let off the hook by the gut next to me, she circles, comes to me, we talk, she asks for slot of money. I pussy out and decide to Check out iBar / Insomnia. Plenty of talent, but I'm lazy, and it's busy. Decide, scre it, back to Alcatraz. BF 1k, LT 3k. We end up in a nearby beer bar because I want to establish a bit of rapport (getting her to agree to 3k was a bit of ordeal). Alas, she starts wiggins out a bit! I think she's drunk! I drag her back to Alcatraz as I'm not entirely happy, but also didn't want to tempt fate or pay for a lousy time. Lots of toing and fro it in Thai, between friends and Mamasan. I'm levelled with the accusation of me wanting to go with anothe girl. Sure. Anyway, she's too upset to go. Fine, initially wasn't going to ask for my BF back, but in the end ask for half. Not wanting to burn my bridges or paint a target on my back. Mamasan agrees, she apologises as do I. She invites me to come back tomorrow to talk to her, I think I will do so. I do want to screw her, but also I want to clear the air.
It is now quite late, the bars are closing. Fine, will try WS FLs. End up agreeing to one girl, ST 1k. Alas, in ST room, look closely. And I get suspicious that she may not all be woman. And she isn't. Bummer, I try to extricate myself from the situation, but she actually doesn't seem to care too much about the money. Either way, not wanting to have a gang of ladyboys attack me for skipping Out, I push the 1k into her hand and skedaddle. Now some may disagree, but I was trying to make sure I got out of there safely.
Either way, admitting that my judgment is severely impaired (I'd been cautious about anyway I even suspected of being a ladyboy out until then), I return home without a nightly companion. Maybe silly, but not the most unintelligent decision I've made.
Zeppelin029
10-11-13, 06:15
Another quick question (I have googled and the like)
Any oil massage places similar to Tulips etc in Pattaya? I could barely walk after I went to Tulips last and wouldn't mind something similar hah?
Null Avenger
10-12-13, 05:20
Do you mean in Pattaya or the bar itself? If the latter, they do have a ST room on the premises. Maybe they will rent it out to you. LOL!
Looks wise, I should say that the Windmill girls hold up quite well. Not the quality of one of the better clubs in town but then again you are not getting the attitude either. Just XxX rated entertainment. Mainly 6"s and 7"s with a couple of 8"s thrown in. Didn't see any old girls. Mainly young totty between 18-25.
I would recommend every guy try to get to The Windmill at least once whilst in Pattaya. The place might not be to everyone's taste but the girls are not up themselves like in some places and it is certified 100 per cent fun.The same group runs Sugar baby on walking street, and they have a tendency to move the lookers from Windmill to sugar baby as they get hired. You CAN have the same experience in Sugar baby, but the girls are not as "experienced" or as extroverted. Mostly this means the girls don't lead as much, but certainly will follow to the same levels of depravity.
As for living on premises, yes you can, just negotiate properly!
Of all the nights to go to WS, I had to pick this one when the rain returned with a vengeance halting the action. People were lined up on both sides of the street / side walk trying to stay dry. A couple of Thai bouncers showed their true Thai hospitality by telling people not to stand in from of their bar as if anyone else would be going in there during the downpour. When the poor civilians didn't move, this kind Thai 'gentleman' pulled out a stun gun and start zapping it in the direction of the masses giving them the option of being stunned or getting soaking wet. Of course they all ran in the rain to seek cover elsewhere, amazing Thailand.
The people selling umbrellas were out in full force. 100 and 200 baht for small and large sizes and the taxi drivers saw an opportunity to make big baht by charging ridiculous prices. Some bars were closed before 1AM. The alley way to Windmill club was flooded, I was looking on the ground for any loose or drop electrical wires but did not see any. As reported here before BF and lady fees are crazy in some of these bars. Was in Champion a GOGO and the girl who was at best a 7 but petite with a nice body wanted 2000 for ST and 3500 for LT, BF was 600B. No way would I pay that as I can get much better looking girls for less. As soon as I walked in the club she ran over to sit with me and soon after like clockwork the wait staff comes over to ask me to buy her a drink, five minutes later the wait staff wants to know if I will BF her. Had to run them off but this just reminded me of why I stopped going to these places. Champion now has a sexy show, same routine as the others bars with sexy shows. Girl inserting marker in her stuff and writing welcome to Champion on a piece of paper and inserting a toy flute in her stuff and blowing it, then asking if anyone wanted it. Good fun if you've never seen it before but a tiring act for me. Don't forget your umbrellas.
Of all the nights to go to WS, I had to pick this one when the rain returned with a vengeance halting the action. People were lined up on both sides of the street / side walk trying to stay dry. A couple of Thai bouncers showed their true Thai hospitality by telling people not to stand in from of their bar as if anyone else would be going in there during the downpour. When the poor civilians didn't move, this kind Thai 'gentleman' pulled out a stun gun and start zapping it in the direction of the masses giving them the option of being stunned or getting soaking wet. Of course they all ran in the rain to seek cover elsewhere, amazing Thailand.I would like to know the name of that bar, RM, so I can avoid it in the future. Those bouncers should be doing time in a Thai prison for that.
Wolvenvacht
10-14-13, 07:09
I would like to know the name of that bar, RM, so I can avoid it in the future. Those bouncers should be doing time in a Thai prison for that.But they do! Their day-time job is probably warden in the prison.
I would like to know the name of that bar, RM, so I can avoid it in the future. Those bouncers should be doing time in a Thai prison for that.It was the Moon Club, which is across the street from nearby Sensations a Go-Go and Air Port Club.
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