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Sixty Two Echo

03-12-16, 00:28

Headed out about 1 am. Went into Insomnia. NO cover and you can wear what ever you like. The usual crowed room with the same loud techno music. Maybe I just hadn't woken up from my slumber. Had three beers. Insomnia offers a membership card good for discounts on drinks. The card is 500 baht. But instead of paying the 180 baht or so per domestic beer, you pay 150 baht (or something like that). Sorry guys, I didn't pay too much attention to the details on that one. Bottom line, drink enough and the card will pay for itself. Keep drinking and you're that much more ahead of the game. I saw a couple of girls with thick legs and asses. Guess I need more then three beers to get me going. Ran into a girl I took from there a couple nights earlier. We just said Hello, and that was as far as I wanted it to go. I remember she was a great time but I wanted fresh meat. About a quarter to 3 am I headed to The Marine Disco. Same same, no cover and no dress code. And there were even places to sit. Too bad they don't offer Tiger Beer there. Ran into another girl I picked up from the Beach Walk a few days ago. Cracked the seal on my Second beer at The Marine Disco and saw a shorty with thick thighs, round butt and a big smile. Had to say Hello,. We danced a few songs and went back to her table. I asked how much and she said 1200 baht short time. I countered with 1000 baht. She repeated 1200 baht. I said, no, short time 1000 baht. She smiled and said ok. Off we went. Had a great time. Cleaned up and gave her a ride to her apartment. Which happened to be right up the street from my place. Well, it's 6:30 am, guess resting all day paid off. Till next time.

Banana Boi

03-12-16, 05:15

Had to leave Sapphire, saw what looked like a ladyboy in Sapphire getup. Kept looking at him as he walked by, he went behind another girl and was joking with her. The girl then hit him in the crotch. Never saw a girl hit another in the pussy. Eyes started scanning and swear there was a few more possible in the crowd.Was at Sapphire last night. There was definitely a ladyboy in the club. So obvious. Either that or the ugliest girl that ever lived. There were no other obvious ones. Not sure the club was hurting for girls since there were 5 groups of 20 last night. Not too many lookers and a couple of the hot ones I know are away right now. 2 lookers for sure I would have went with anywhere. I was with my regular girls though so no experimenting on this end, for now.

MusicalToM

03-12-16, 16:41

As a newbie I started my hunt at Beach road for Freelancers at around 9 pm. Since it was my first in Pattaya, was searching for a cutie with expectation of a real GFE. Checked with 5-6 who caught my eye. But either attitude was bad or just did and't get that feeling. Off I hit Walking Street.

Here again as suggested by others, first stop was Insomnia at around 10 pm, I don't get it why they search everybody before entering. Anyway I continued & bought a Manao Soda for self. Got a place to sit & checked out few cuties, just didn't get that feeling. Waited for some more time and moved the usual crowded area. Few minutes wait and a cutie caught my eye, not a model but decent enough. Smiled at each other and the click I felt. This is it, I went ahead and started the conversion, bought 3 shots for her & her Indonesian friend. Came to know she is from Laos & just 20 yrs. She said 3000 for LT and deal settled for 2700.

Around 12 o'clock we left, stayed till 10 am. Amazing GFE she gave me, I just can't describe over here. Total 3 shots & a lot of gossip. She just gave me what I wanted, could't have been better, gave her a 300 bucks tip. Still in touch will again try her tomorrow.

Ratings-

GFE-10/10.

VFM-9/10.

Look-8/10.

Body-10/10 (Young, Petite and no tattoo as I wanted).

Damage-3300 (Her fee+tip+drinks+club to hotel fee).

Opebo

03-12-16, 17:52

A girl in her early 20's and hot would work in a gogo bar earning 4000+ baht instead of being haggled for 700-800 baht on Beach Road. At that rate all she has to do is get 1 guy every 4-5 nights and she is ahead, not to mention the money she makes at the gogo club in between LT sessions.Well to be fair, a hot girl on the beach has to wait only about 10-15 minutes after she arrives to get a 1,000 baht customer, and she can do 4 sessions per night very easily, without the really horrible unpleasantness of being stuck in an a-go-go for hours per day and dancing around in high heels. No, the real reason you see less hot girls on the beach is not because working in a-go-gos is desirable, I think it is because of the police harassment aspect.

JohnPhoenix

03-12-16, 23:47

As a newbie I started my hunt at Beach road for Freelancers at around 9 pm. Since it was my first in Pattaya, was searching for a cutie with expectation of a real GFE. Checked with 5-6 who caught my eye. But either attitude was bad or just did and't get that feeling. Off I hit Walking Street.

Here again as suggested by others, first stop was Insomnia at around 10 pm, I don't get it why they search everybody before entering. Anyway I continued & bought a Manao Soda for self. Got a place to sit & checked out few cuties, just didn't get that feeling. Waited for some more time and moved the usual crowded area. Few minutes wait and a cutie caught my eye, not a model but decent enough. Smiled at each other and the click I felt. This is it, I went ahead and started the conversion, bought 3 shots for her & her Indonesian friend. Came to know she is from Laos & just 20 yrs. She said 3000 for LT and deal settled for 2700.

Around 12 o'clock we left, stayed till 10 am. Amazing GFE she gave me, I just can't describe over here. Total 3 shots & a lot of gossip. She just gave me what I wanted, could't have been better, gave her a 300 bucks tip. Still in touch will again try her tomorrow..Bro,

I believe Thailand is your first mongering trip overseas. Remover the three day rule. There are plenty of girls in the market to explore. If you don't get what you want call her back later.

Cheers and enjoy!

J

Socker

03-13-16, 04:03

Well to be fair, a hot girl on the beach has to wait only about 10-15 minutes after she arrives to get a 1,000 baht customer, and she can do 4 sessions per night very easily, without the really horrible unpleasantness of being stuck in an a-go-go for hours per day and dancing around in high heels. No, the real reason you see less hot girls on the beach is not because working in a-go-gos is desirable, I think it is because of the police harassment aspect.A top girl in a BKK or Patts gogo can do 2 4000 b STs per night easy. The hottest women I've seen in Thailand are in the gogos and who's hot is subjective.

For me it's not close, the gogos have the hottest pussy in Thailand. I don't do KTVs and I'm not Asian so the gogos are as close as I can get to the best lookers. If they were on Beach Rd I'd be a whole lot richer. Given that, I could be very happy w / some of the talent I've seen on Beach Rd.

Sixty Two Echo

03-13-16, 07:10

After being up to the wee hours Friday Night. I stayed in bed till about 1 pm Saturday. The cleaning ladies woke me and bum-rushed my room. Hit the Beach Walk for a work out, had oil massage, had dinner, bla bla bla. Headed out on patrol about midnight. Ran into a couple of girls I took over the past few nights. I asked about the police activity on the Beach. One of them said the police arrested 100 ladies the night before. I have yet to see a girl on the Beach put in cuffs. Continued on my walk.

Not long after talking with that girl, I found a place to have a Tiger or two or three and took in the sights. I noticed a very good looking young spinner sporting cut off shorts near by. As I watched, I noticed client after client would stop, chat and move on. An Indian man, a couple of Japanese / Korean guys, a European man, a couple of older White men too. I wasn't getting why nobody took her. While I was watching all of the girls came over to my side of the street. Yes, you guessed it. The police are giving the girls a hard time. It wasn't long before the girls crossed back over to the beach side. So I walked up to the young cute spinner and talked to her. After a short conversation I could see why nobody wanted her. She had a lousy attitude. She quoted 1000 baht short time. I said nice to meet you and walked off like all the other guys.

Headed back to Walking Street and ran into a thicker shorty with long black hair, big tits and a smile that wouldn't stop. Not two minutes from the cranky spinner. Had a pleasant conversation with The Happy One. Asked how much and she said 700 baht. I countered with 600 baht (for grins and giggles). She didn't blink and eye and said ok. I ironed out the details of her job descriptions and we agreed to terms and off we went.

Had a great time! I even gave her a 100 baht tip. Walked her out and off she went. Welcome to Pattaya!

Mr Enternational

03-13-16, 07:16

I have yet to see a girl on the Beach put in cuffs.They don't put them in cuffs. They just make them get into the back of the pickup truck.

Breadman

03-13-16, 10:30

Not long after talking with that girl, I found a place to have a Tiger or two or three and took in the sights. I noticed a very good looking young spinner sporting cut off shorts near by. As I watched, I noticed client after client would stop, chat and move on. An Indian man, a couple of Japanese / Korean guys, a European man, a couple of older White men too. I wasn't getting why nobody took her. While I was watching all of the girls came over to my side of the street. Yes, you guessed it. The police are giving the girls a hard time. It wasn't long before the girls crossed back over to the beach side. So I walked up to the young cute spinner and talked to her. After a short conversation I could see why nobody wanted her. She had a lousy attitude. She quoted 1000 baht short time. I said nice to meet you and walked off like all the other guys.

What's more of a ripoff, paying an extra 200 baht to a girl (1000 vs 800) or buying 3 overpriced beer after happy hour is over at a regular bar? I'm not a cheap charlie like you, I'll pay the girl the extra 200 baht asking price if she's a looker. I hate the bars that don't have eye candy but expect you to shell out 140 baht for a beer.

Haven123

03-13-16, 11:19

What's more of a ripoff, paying an extra 200 baht to a girl (1000 vs 800) or buying 3 overpriced beer after happy hour is over at a regular bar? I'm not a cheap charlie like you, I'll pay the girl the extra 200 baht asking price if she's a looker. I hate the bars that don't have eye candy but expect you to shell out 140 baht for a beer.Dude, Sixty Two echo said it was the attitude. Not the looks. Why attack him? Besides, ok. Say both Sixty Two Echo and you would be willing to pay 1000 Baht for a girl ....with good looks AND decent good attitude, but maybe someone else, or I'd be willing to pay 1500 or even 2000 or more, does it make YOU a cheap Charlie? No, it does not!

Looks are in the eye of the beholder, and how much is a relative thing, depending on ones budget, game, experience in a particular country / city and even time of night / location etc etc.

So, I find your comments rather strange, ill informed, emotional and totally off base.

Breadman

03-13-16, 14:57

Dude, Sixty Two echo said it was the attitude. Not the looks. .When someone writes "She had a lousy attitude. She quoted 1000 baht short time", that's telling me it was the price that was the reason he walked away. I'm betting the "lousy attitude" was based on her not wanting to accept less than 1000. So he passed on a "very good looking young spinner" to go with a "thicker girl for 700 baht". Very good looking young spinners are hard to come by on beach road, I found one on my last trip and happily paid her 1000 baht. My point is 300 baht can easily be recouped by cutting out a few overpriced beers, walk into a 7-11 and crack a beer before going into a bar, this was my routine pretty much everywhere I went. Before walking into a bar with no draft specials I'd stop into a store for a cheap beer to chug down to keep me from chugging down expensive beers in the bars.

Banana Boi

03-13-16, 17:21

Opebo

03-13-16, 18:39

A top girl in a BKK or Patts gogo can do 2 4000 b STs per night easy.Good lord, you mean to say 4,000 baht is a short time? That's mind-boggling. I thought he meant long time. Last I heard, those overpriced joints were charging 2,000 for a short time.

I guess if I had this kind of money to throw around, I wouldn't come to Thailand!

Breadman

03-13-16, 18:59

Barfine questions for the more experienced guys.

1. a waitress asked me out to go do some non sexual activity we both have in common. If we only go out and not have sex is she expecting any payment for her time? If we do have sex iI assume she is expecting money. Do I need to barfine a waitress from a club / bar?

2. if a girl does not go to work one night in a gogo club does she still have to pay the club a barfine fee?

3. if I hang out with 4 girls in the daytime (lunch and movie) are they expecting some money or is me paying for the lunch and movie they want to see sufficient? If expecting what is appropriate for gogo girls?No sex usually means no payment, sex means something is expected. Remember, Thai's will wai for any money you give them, that doesn't mean they are happy with taxi fare only. Yes, you have to barfine any employee since the club is paying their salary. Girl has to work or pay the barfine herself. Only way they can get out of the barfine is to finish work and then come over.

Wolvenvacht

03-13-16, 19:09

Barfine questions for the more experienced guys.

1. a waitress asked me out to go do some non sexual activity we both have in common. If we only go out and not have sex is she expecting any payment for her time? If we do have sex iI assume she is expecting money. Do I need to barfine a waitress from a club / bar?
If you take her out during her working time, the bar will expect to receive a barfine. The barfine will compensate the bar for the wages they pay the girl.

Whether she wants to receive some money to spend some time with you, depends on what you negotiate with her.

2. if a girl does not go to work one night in a gogo club does she still have to pay the club a barfine fee?
Yes.

3. if I hang out with 4 girls in the daytime (lunch and movie) are they expecting some money or is me paying for the lunch and movie they want to see sufficient? If expecting what is appropriate for gogo girls?
Generally speaking, you paying for the movie and lunch should be enough.

RockyHardy21

03-13-16, 19:41

If you take her out during her working time, the bar will expect to receive a barfine. The barfine will compensate the bar for the wages they pay the girl.

Whether she wants to receive some money to spend some time with you, depends on what you negotiate with her.

Yes.

Generally speaking, you paying for the movie and lunch should be enough.I remember in sensation go go. I was sitting and one cute waitress was hitting on me. So I offered her why don't you come with me. She was denying earlier and later said OK. So I asked barfine was 1000 baht. And she wanted 1000 more to come join me for fun but she was saying going out for drink club and no discussion of sex. I asked her if she likes will it be possible to have sex. I can pay more. But she was giving some excuses so I dropped the idea. So if you barfine a waitress make sure you discuss with her everything in advance like you do with normal go go girls.

MusicalToM

03-13-16, 21:57

Like I said in my previous post, I already have decided to try my last girl one more time. But something happened which I just can't forget.

I called up the the girl multiple timers in daytime, but always got reply she would come by 12 o'clock night. Around 11 pm, I pinged her to come immediately. Apparently she was having a ST session with somebody I doubt. Anyway I was getting late for my dinner so hit a restaurant around 11:20 pm. I ordered food and about to start suddenly her call comes and she is asking for my hotel address. I told the address to her & asked to was wait for 10 mins. After 2 minutes she calls me and telling I'm leaving since you aren't coming. I requested her to was air for 2 minutes and ran for my hotel. But I couldn't believe she simply left. Called her up and requested to come, but all in vain. A after 30 minutes of long back to back calls she says she wouldn't come since I lied her by saying 10 minutes but didn't come. She was not ready to understand anything. Finally I gave up and slept alone. I just don't get it WTF had happened.

Later she said she would come come tomorrow. And due to this girl I ignored a nice spinner in beach Rd. Now I'm confused whether I should believe her or not, just out of my mind. Somebody please explain.

FL Hawk

03-13-16, 22:37

Barfine questions for the more experienced guys.

Just a note. One Soi 6 bargirl told me that if they miss work, they must pay a bar fine! I guess in a way that makes sense, as it provides incentive for the girls to show up each day, but to be ill and have to pay to stay home is the pits. Paid sick leave is a foreign concept to these girls.

Mr Enternational

03-14-16, 00:21

Blanquiceleste

03-14-16, 01:04

I just came home from 808. There is a chick there who dances in front of whatever guy is sitting in a particular spot every night. This girl never leaves with anyone though. Instead, she always goes to the next club to party more. Well tonight the lucky guy happened to be spending, spending, spending on drinks for this girl and a couple of her friends, one of which I am intimately acquainted.

I wanted so bad to tell the guy to stop buying all of those damn drinks. But you know how mfs are. If I would have told him that then he would have thought I was hating and it is his money, blah, blah, blah. Well just like clockwork the girl was out of there as she does every night, leaving him with his dick in his hand and a confused look on his face wondering what had happened.

So just a reminder. The same way you should ask a chick in a bar or gogo if she will leave with you before you go spending on drinks, this same thing holds in discos. And these days it seems that the girls are more into partying with their friends than leaving with guys. So drink buyer beware.Absolutely true. Deal before the meal. I wonder why it is so hard for people to get this simple concept.

I also think, fundamentally, girls do not fancy getting boinked by some new dude every night just to make some cash a get few watered down drinks at the bar. Men OTOH would happily sleep with a new girl every hour. So if there is a way to get a few drinks to get high and enjoy the evening with her friends by simply shaking her booty and without having to take off her clothes, she will take that route. And there is, somehow, sadly, always some bozo begging to get ripped off.

These girls also know how to say the right things to the right (or wrong?) kind of men. They will pump up his ego by saying he has a big heart, and there you go! Bang!

I have had a similar experience once, quite a while back. I and my pal were at Insomnia and this friend of mine was buying drinks for 4 girls at our table like it was going out of fashion. After the third round (12 drinks for the girls) I told my pal to chill and reconsider his decision to buy so many drinks for the girls. I bet he did not even remember the names of the girls. However, he snapped back at me, called me a cheap charlie and asked me to mind my own business. I was taken aback, but I knew it was the testosterone and alcohol together playing on his judgement and choice of words. I left Insomnia without another word.

I met him for lunch at Sailor the next day and he apologized for the previous night. I asked him if he remembered anything else. He apparently continued at Insomnia for some more time buying more drinks and then apparently went back to his hotel with two of the girls in tow but after he got to the room he does not remember a thing of what happened. Fortunately the girls did not steal anything. But he had spent all the cash he had carried, and I can tell you it was quite a sum.

You don't need to go looking for idiots, there is one around every corner.

Blanquiceleste

03-14-16, 01:12

Haven123

03-14-16, 02:39

I just came home from 808. There is a chick there who dances in front of whatever guy is sitting in a particular spot every night. This girl never leaves with anyone though. Instead, she always goes to the next club to party more. Well tonight the lucky guy happened to be spending, spending, spending on drinks for this girl and a couple of her friends, one of which I am intimately acquainted.

I wanted so bad to tell the guy to stop buying all of those damn drinks. But you know how mfs are. If I would have told him that then he would have thought I was hating and it is his money, blah, blah, blah. Well just like clockwork the girl was out of there as she does every night, leaving him with his dick in his hand and a confused look on his face wondering what had happened.

So just a reminder. The same way you should ask a chick in a bar or gogo if she will leave with you before you go spending on drinks, this same thing holds in discos. And these days it seems that the girls are more into partying with their friends than leaving with guys. So drink buyer beware.Mr ENT, good post and thanks. I know in the go go bars of Thailand or Philipines, it is the job of the girls to ask and sell drinks, since it is part of their compensation plan, and also gets the guy somewhat committed to them for the duration while at that establishment.

However, do the girls (particularly freelancers) at the Pattaya discos come straight out and ask you to buy them (and their friend (s) a drink? Generally speaking, Asians don't like to lose face in this way, so I am wondering about the freelancers at the Pattaya discos. Of course, I would expect the off duty go go and bar girls to ask but I am wondering about the true freelancers or the ones say on beach RD?

If they do, I suppose the best thing to do is say a little bit later etc. So that they don't lose face?

And also, could you take a guess at what % of freelancers and beach Road girls are somewhat proficient is basic English vs. Just the top 10-20 phrases and questions like 'how much you pay ' or ' ST vs LT ' ' where you stay ' ' how long in Thailand ' etc. Setting aside the grammar, how many phrases do you think the freelancers know? Last time I was there, the freelancer was actually carrying a hard copy English / Thai translator / dictionary!

MusicalToM

03-14-16, 04:03

Mr ENT, good post and thanks. I know in the go go bars of Thailand or Philipines, it is the job of the girls to ask and sell drinks, since it is part of their compensation plan, and also gets the guy somewhat committed to them for the duration while at that establishment.

However, do the girls (particularly freelancers) at the Pattaya discos come straight out and ask you to buy them (and their friend (s) a drink? Generally speaking, Asians don't like to lose face in this way, so I am wondering about the freelancers at the Pattaya discos. Of course, I would expect the off duty go go and bar girls to ask but I am wondering about the true freelancers or the ones say on beach RD?

If they do, I suppose the best thing to do is say a little bit later etc. So that they don't lose face?
On last Friday night I was at Insomnia and almost done with negotiations for this girl. Now this girl asks for drink for her and her friend. I said OK and bought 2 shots for them. So yes I think they ask for drink, but if you are sure you taking her for sure then only buy a drink. And if she is with a friend of her, probably you have to buy for her as well.

I don't think Freelancers will ever ask for drinks. They directly come to your room. But still one can ask her and buy a drink if interested.

MusicalToM

03-14-16, 04:11

I feel sorry for you but it seems you simply allowed your emotions to take control of the situation. You acted desperately. The girl saw that and played you like a flute. And if you continue to chase this girl for the rest of your trip, trust me, it will end with disastrous results. Do not try to turn a hoe into a housewife.

Wisen up mate. There are over 25,000 women in Pattaya to choose from. It is not important whether she was telling the truth or if you should believe her. What is important is this is your holiday and you call the shots.I know I made a mistake. I realized it while calling her itself. But yeah I was a bit desperate to get her. Anyway now I'm going to fix it. Wish me luck.

HotShaneHot

03-14-16, 04:40

A big thank you to Pipe Layer99 for letting me know about the.

Telephone bar.

LE poste bar 007.

Clube 4 and so on.

I was go to them and had lots of fun.

Haven123

03-14-16, 07:07

It sounds like you will fit right in at Ibar / Insomnia. Best to get there around 1 Am or so. It's definitely worth it to get a bottle if you don't drink beer. Don't be shy about approaching girls you like and inviting them to have a drink. 90% of them are there to pickup a guy for the night.

Be nice, respectful, polite and smile. If things aren't going your way just stick with it. They always seem to turn around in this town.

Happy hunting!

Uncle-V.Hey, thanks Uncle V!

Any other suggestions please for freelancers from the country/provinces ? Malls, other sois etc, besides beach rd?

Fyi, I will be staying at VT 6 and traveling solo, so re freelancers any suggestions overall . I will definitely ask the VT 6 front desk to check and hold their ID's. It's been nearly 15 years since I was in Thailand or Asia last. I've been to Thailand many times over the years though, but alas for only for work, with jam packed Asia trips as I managed a global businesses for Fortune 50 corporations.

May the force be with you!

Banana Boi

03-14-16, 08:12

Thanks so much for the many barfine and general payment answers, guys.

I am on the right track and not screwing it for others. , I did take out 4 girls for lunch and a movie yesterday after partying the night before. I didn't pay them anything for the afternoon but a couple of them saw something in the mall for under 500 baht that they were going to pay on their own. Given the price I stepped up and bought it for them. Felt it was the least I could do.

Sixty Two Echo

03-14-16, 08:29

First off. Thank you Haven123 for defending me and being able to read for comprehension. That's not the first time Breadman misunderstood what was written. And I am sure it won't be the last. And for the record, one of the girls that told me about the arrests on the beach made the wrist together gesture (in my country that means cuffed), I just leaned in Thailand it simply means arrested.

I did some quick math and I have had 16 girls so far this trip and my average price is 800 baht. I don't have a problem paying 1000 baht or even 1200 bath, but if it comes with a lousy attitude, I will pass every time. That kind of issue doesn't go away quickly nor easily. I don't put up with girls that have bitchy attitudes, not here, not in my country, not anywhere.

So, went back to the scene of the crime and had a beer (60 baht, hardly over priced), and it comes with a great view. Saw the grouchy spinner, but today she was with her coworkers and sporting a smile. After my second beer a very physically fit young girl shows up on the back of her boyfriends bike. He drops her off and he splits. She orders her dinner and crosses the road and begins to enjoy when the police roll up and question her. She told me the police threatened to give her a 2000 baht fine if she didn't move.

So I talked to the young athlete a while and she had that look in her eyes and that giggle in her laugh. Eye contact, body posture, tone in her voice, all the right facial expressions, Houston, We Are Go For Launch! She quoted 800 baht and I didn't think twice. Worked out the deal and off we went. And her great attitude carried over into the room. Another super star performer, good time had by all. Gave her the 800 and I asked where could I drop her, she said her boyfriend was going to pick her up. Score!

Sixty Two Echo

03-14-16, 08:56

Went back to my new hang out and ordered a beer. Then another. Two beers, 120 baht and 40 baht in tips. It's 1:30 am or so, time to hit walking street. Went into that first bar that has local bands playing. I kind of enjoy the North East Music. Had a drink. Not two minutes there two girls where smiling at me and touching and dancing around me. I spoke with them for a few minutes and moved to a different location. Same Same, not two minutes at the new location and a table of three girls where looking and smiling and dancing about. The thinnest one with a nice ass was all over me. We laughed and danced a bit. But I wanted to see the Band, so I relocated again. This time it took about 25 minutes before a girl in front of me saw me and started rubbing up against me. We danced and danced and I ordered us a beer. We danced and danced, quite the workout. We closed the place. She followed me outside and it was obvious she wanted to go with me. I wasn't feeling it so I stuffed a few baht in her pocket and said good night. I know, I'm a bastard.

Walked over to my bike and cruised around a bit and ran into a cutie walking about. Imagine that, meeting a girl at 4 am on the streets of Pattaya, what are the odds? Yes, that is sarcasm, no need to answer that question. I quoted her and she said 500 baht. Bingo! Went to the room and I got in the shower and she followed me in. She began to was me. It was kind of nice having a cute young girl soaping me up. And soaping and soaping. I have been on a roll the last week or so. I have had back to back great times. Usually one gets off track and either goes starfish or turns out to be a time keeper or doesn't have any skills. Let the good times roll! Well, this poor thing was obviously struggling with the ponding and she was a trooper. I was in rare form. After, I paid her the 500 baht and I gave her a 300 baht tip. She deserved it. Her face lit up and her already big smile warmed up a tad. Dropped her and went to bed about 6:30 am. Welcome to Pattaya!

Uncle Volodya

03-14-16, 09:31

Hey, thanks Uncle V!

Any other suggestions please for freelancers from the country/provinces ? Malls, other sois etc, besides beach rd?

Fyi, I will be staying at VT 6 and traveling solo, so re freelancers any suggestions overall . I will definitely ask the VT 6 front desk to check and hold their ID's. It's been nearly 15 years since I was in Thailand or Asia last. I've been to Thailand many times over the years though, but alas for only for work, with jam packed Asia trips as I managed a global businesses for Fortune 50 corporations.

May the force be with you!Ibar is really ground Zero for FLs. So I spend most of my time there.

808 is also worth a peek. But the be team is definitely playing there compared to Ibar.

You may also want to take a look into Red Car disco on WS. Though pickings have been slim there last few trips. I keep hoping the place will make a comeback as I have had great times there in the past.

A lot of girls walking up and down WS are approachable and many are not hardcore hookers but tourists up from BKK etc. So don't be shy and stop one and say Hello,. You may just hit it off.

Goatscrot

03-14-16, 10:40

A lot of girls walking up and down WS are approachable and many are not hardcore hookers but tourists up from BKK etc. So don't be shy and stop one and say Hello,. You may just hit it off.I used to make frequent trips to Pattaya. This was between '00 and '08. Have not spent much time there since. Had the occasion last year to be in town for a night or two on separate occasions. Was shocked at the transformation on Walking St with the FL scene. Back when I was a regular almost every gal on WS after dark was on the game. Especially after the bars closed you would be approached by countless gals saying, "Go with you?" Not a single gal approached me on my trips last year and the ones I approached seemed like they would rather go drinking with their friends.

I used to like the discos as well, but found them populated by a demographics that I really don't enjoy being around that much.

But I did really like Kinnaree and the like a lot. Soi 6 was still fun as well. But overall I was a disappointed.

Uncle Volodya

03-14-16, 11:18

So, went back to the scene of the crime and had a beer (60 baht, hardly over priced), and it comes with a great view. Saw the grouchy spinner, but today she was with her coworkers and sporting a smile. After my second beer a very physically fit young girl shows up on the back of her boyfriends bike. He drops her off and he splits. She orders her dinner and crosses the road and begins to enjoy when the police roll up and question her. She told me the police threatened to give her a 2000 baht fine if she didn't move.

So I talked to the young athlete a while and she had that look in her eyes and that giggle in her laugh. Eye contact, body posture, tone in her voice, all the right facial expressions, Houston, We Are Go For Launch! She quoted 800 baht and I didn't think twice. Worked out the deal and off we went. And her great attitude carried over into the room. Another super star performer, good time had by all. Gave her the 800 and I asked where could I drop her, she said her boyfriend was going to pick her up. Score!Thanks for sharing. 800 baht for a young Athlete is a price I like! Where exactly did you meet her?

Sorry if my reading comprehension is a bit off, but I am not sure what place you are referring to when you say "scene of the crime". I even looked at some of your earlier post but am still cluless.

It sounds like a place that is worth a look.

Thanks in advance!

Uncle Volodya

03-14-16, 11:31

I used to make frequent trips to Pattaya. This was between '00 and '08. Have not spent much time there since. Had the occasion last year to be in town for a night or two on separate occasions. Was shocked at the transformation on Walking St with the FL scene. Back when I was a regular almost every gal on WS after dark was on the game. Especially after the bars closed you would be approached by countless gals saying, "Go with you?" Not a single gal approached me on my trips last year and the ones I approached seemed like they would rather go drinking with their friends.
.Good point. My first trip was in 2008 and almost all the FLs I took (including my first ever Pattaya girl) were girls I met standing around or walking on WS. I paid 1 K LT (an overpayng noob) and they were all GFEs, staying with me well into the next day. I only sent foot into a disco once and left after about 5 minutes. I did not see the point of putting up with that BS with all the lovelies available on the street.

Yes times have indeed changed for the worse! It's no longer the turkey shoot it once was. Some obvious hookers that stand around won't even talk to a falang anymore (I am thinking of the cuties that stand outside Lucifer -- some may be post op LBs anyway).

With a little effort you can still make it work. Not so many girls are asking "go with you" outright. But plenty are still giving the inviting smile. Why not talk to them? What's the worst that can happen? A polite shoot down? Thai girls won't try to humiliate you like Western be*s (this is not their culture).

Fortuna Audaces Iuvat, my friends.

Goatscrot

03-14-16, 12:23

With a little effort you can still make it work. Not so many girls are asking "go with you" outright. But plenty are still giving the inviting smile. Why not talk to them? What's the worst that can happen? A polite shoot down? Thai girls won't try to humiliate you like Western be*s (this is not their culture).

Fortuna Audaces Iuvat, my friends.Point well taken. Guess I am just lazy and the ones that I did approach were really not interested. So there are gals in Pattaya that just won't go with Farangs these days? Jeez, getting like BKK.

Mr Enternational

03-14-16, 12:52

Any other suggestions please for freelancers from the country/provinces ? Malls, other sois etc, besides beach rd? You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Women are everywhere here. Not just a particular street or disco. Just walk outside and talk to one and exchange info or whatever. Nowadays I do more of that and less going out late. And the thing is that the same ones that I meet at my non-mongering spot in the daytime, I see out at night.
Fyi, I will be staying at VT 6 and traveling solo, so re freelancers any suggestions overall . I will definitely ask the VT 6 front desk to check and hold their ID's.I don't know if you can do that. I have a buddy who lives in VT5. View Talay is a condo building, not a hotel. They have a security guy but I don't think he is a babysitter for hookers' IDs. Uncle V, you stay there don't you?

Mr Enternational

03-14-16, 13:02

She told me the police threatened to give her a 2000 baht fine if she didn't move.
I can't attest to what she was threatened with, but the fine they pay for loitering is 100 baht when they are taken to the police station. That is why it is not much of a deterrent and they keep going back.

Caprese7

03-14-16, 13:05

Sixty Two Echo

03-14-16, 13:25

Hey Uncle Volodya! I tried to send you a private message. But I got a message back saying your message storage is full and you need to delete old messages to receive new messages.

Gin And Tonic

03-14-16, 14:56

Hello all. New to this portion of the site. Planning on my first trip to Thailand this Fall or Late Summer, 2016. Open to dates between July or August through September or early October. Does anyone here have plans to go during that time? A little concerned about going alone. Not familiar with the area at all. However, I was planning to go last year, but plans fell through. Feel free to respond or write back on the private message if you are thinking of going.There is no reason to be concerned about traveling here alone. In the Pattaya area there are about 85,000 expats, from mainly Northern Europe. I have lived here the last few years, feel free to message me if you have any questions.

Gin And Tonic

03-14-16, 15:01

Christian G

03-14-16, 15:28

I think the major condo buildings take ID's as a matter of course. VT2 and Metro Condo for sure. When I rent an apartment from a private owner in Pattaya Hill Resort Condo the security always take the girl's ID, register her on a book and she have to sign the book for have back her ID.

Haven123

03-14-16, 15:33

I think the major condo buildings take ID's as a matter of course. VT2 and Metro Condo for sure. Usually they will call the girl over to their security desk when entering the building.Hey, thanks G & T. I guess I need to see if I can read Thai ID's as well. Nearly all of my travels in recent in recent past has been in Latin Countries and the DR. I usually depend on the hotel front desk or condo buildings to check and hold ID's. Maybe I'll PM you before I arrive in May.

Haven123

03-14-16, 15:39

You are making a mountain out of a molehill. Women are everywhere here. Not just a particular street or disco. Just walk outside and talk to one and exchange info or whatever. Nowadays I do more of that and less going out late. And the thing is that the same ones that I meet at my non-mongering spot in the daytime, I see out at night.I don't know if you can do that. I have a buddy who lives in VT5. View Talay is a condo building, not a hotel. They have a security guy but I don't think he is a babysitter for hookers' IDs. Uncle V, you stay there don't you?Thanks again MR. Ent. I prefer to have a basic separate cell phone for my trip. Re just talking and exchanging info, should I buy an unlocked GSM thru AMZN in the US or buy / rent one locally? I'll use my US cell and iPad for wifi since I try to stay on top of the markets and news in general. I do have a spare iPhone 4 S but it needs to be unlocked. I have gifted the Blu phones on the past to some chicas but they seem to be of poor quality and crack easily. In my recent travels, I generally use Latin Cupid, Tagged, or Facebook for most communications, as I hardly ever go with daily pros, just freelancers and non/ semi-pros. Any suggestions?

Mr Enternational

03-14-16, 18:17

Re just talking and exchanging info, should I buy an unlocked GSM thru AMZN in the US or buy / rent one locally? I'll use my US cell Not sure your internet provider but I have a T-mobile plan with free international internet. If you have that then I would say that is all you need and a local number is not needed. Everyone here communicates through the Line app. A chick sent me a normal text to pick her up at the bus station the other day and I almost missed it because I never use that phone with my local number. My friends might call and say something every now and then on it but we generally use whatsapp or Line to communicate as well.

I generally use Latin Cupid, Tagged, or Facebook for most communications, as I hardly ever go with daily pros, just freelancers and non/ semi-pros. Any suggestions?I would say stay away from websites. There is no need for that here. And all the hookers that I know are on them anyway. So your chances of meeting a normal chick there are probably slim unless you know the lay of the land. I always shake my damn head when one of the known hookers shows up to the disco with some poor sap she met on Tagged who thinks he has a regular chick and he stays with her his entire vacation.

Or you can be like my brother. I told him to stay off the websites. He insisted. Sent me a picture. I said dude that is a ladyboy. He swore it wasn't and said she showed me her pussy. I said well I guess you will be crossing ladyboy off your bucket list then. When he showed up, we went to the bar where the person worked and like I told him it was a ladyboy. My brother said something to him to the effect that he only likes women and he cursed my brother out all loud. All I could say was I told you, I told you, I told you. So in his case the person he met online was not only a hooker, but a ladyboy as well.

I don't think you realize how big this place is and how easy it is to get chicks. This is not Sosua which covers two blocks and has a couple hundred women. This is a good size city with estimates of over 10,000 hookers and it is all in your face, not in some secret place that you have to find by word of mouth. I have heard upwards of 30,000 hookers. Trust me. The chances of getting laid are greater than being able to find something to eat. Haven't you been reading 62E's reports? Everyday he wakes up and goes to get laid before breakfast and before bedtime he goes to get laid again. No muss, no fuss.

P.S. The IDs have English and Thai on them. With all the women I have been through I have only had a problem with one and even me and her are on good terms now. None of my friends have really had any problems either. From reading the news the majority of problems come from ladyboys. After that it is middle-aged hookers ripping old geezers off, mostly under the guise of having a threesome before stealing from the guy. Other than that, does anyone ever read about a guy picking up a girl and having major problems? I certainly can't think of any instances off hand.

Uncle Volodya

03-14-16, 19:16

Hey Uncle Volodya! I tried to send you a private message. But I got a message back saying your message storage is full and you need to delete old messages to receive new messages.Deleted a couple bro. Should be bale to receive now.

Haven123

03-14-16, 20:02

Not sure your internet provider but I have a T-mobile plan with free international internet. If you have that then I would say that is all you need and a local number is not needed. Everyone here communicates through the Line app. A chick sent me a normal text to pick her up at the bus station the other day and I almost missed it because I never use that phone with my local number. My friends might call and say something every now and then on it but we generally use whatsapp or Line to communicate as well.

I would say stay away from websites. There is no need for that here. And all the hookers that I know are on them .Thanks, Mr. Ent. Well, I have not joined any Thai websites and don't plan to. Since I have been to Pattaya once before and to BKK many times. Also, thanks for the tip on Line, so I will use Whatspp and Line using wifi. I have ATT, so no free international Internet. And, local calls will be super expensive. Hence the thought of renting just a basic local phone for calls. And to be reached in an emergency.

Crazy story about your brother, can't believe he did not listen to you of all people. Even after you told him. Anyways, I think I'm pretty good about spotting ladyboys, except if they show up in the discos and where lighting is poor, I know one has be careful. The more I think about it, I may just focus on getting a massage or a soapy during the day and just go to the discos to dance for the first week or so and then maybe branch out from there, after the first week, once I have a decent read of the lay of the land (pun intended) since I have 3 weeks. ( I don't like to drink before 11 pm and rarely wake up/emerge from my room or apt when I'm traveling, until after 2 pm ). That's cause I truly enjoy hanging in dance clubs past 4 am and routinely love doing that in Sao Paulo, for example, even at places like Love Story there (but now with Zika I am avoiding Latin America and Carib) hence the Thai trip. I also kinda like Sosua for Classicos followed up by After 1 on some nights, or the disco at Lifestyle resorts in PTo Pta ( but in the DR I have a ton of 'friends with benefits' as I have probably spent about 5 months there in the last 18 months). So, I'm really looking forward to being in the dance clubs of Pattaya and BKK (5 days) and just hanging with the crowd and the ambiance there. Yeah, I know the Patts and BKK discos are like a 9 or 10 compared to Sosua ( a 3 or 4) and Sampa ( a 5 or 6 ).

If the Zika situation persists in LA, I may return to Patts again in Oct ( I think most Thais have immunity to prior strains of Zika) . FYI, I spend about 6-7 weeks in the US and head out for about 4 weeks, which has been my consistent lifestyle now for a couple of years. I like the Philippines but don't care for the food there and I've always loved the Thai culture, since it is largely Buddhist. Maybe Bali next trip is another possibility.

MusicalToM

03-14-16, 20:05

I'm here with another example review of mine. If somebody wants to scold me after reading this, then please feel free to do so. I deserve it I guess.

So here is the entire story.

Like I told in my previous review I was desperate to have another night with this girl whom I picked up from Insomnia couple of days back. I was totally fallen for the GFE she experienced me. I sent her a message to check whether she is interested to spend night with after yesterday's matter (she coming and then going back. Please read my previous post to know in detail), I was not sure whether she would come. But she said yes and I quote 2500 for the entire night to which she agreed. Then she shows up around 8:30 pm, I was waiting at my hotel reception to pick her up. FYI I would like to mention here that "I was supposed to check out and move to BKK today as per my plan, but I canceled my plan, extended my hotel booking just to spend another night with this chick. To be precise I changed my plan just for this chick". Now we go up to my room and start all cuddling and gossip stuff, full GFE once again which continued for almost 2 hrs.

We clicked few photos by this time. Now slowly we started kissing each other which ended up with a decent sex, time was around 11 pm. To my surprise this time she didn't even ask me to clean up compared to last time almost forcing me to take shower, but I cleaned myself before having sex. No BJ and no CIM, she told me she isn't a regular hooker so doesn't do all these stuff and I was okay with it. Also I would like to mention that before having sex, she kind of forced me to pay her the amount upfront to which I politely denied.

Now after the sex is over she asks me either I pay her up or she is leaving with a kind of furious voice, I was like WTF happened. Anyway I asked her what's the matter and why is she behaving like this. She tells me that " She works somewhere, does some make up and typing job with her ladyboy partner thus could't stay the entire night. She was not able to explain me what exactly she does and what's the exact problem due to her poor English, this is what I understood"(But before telling this reason she was telling me that her ladyboy partner would come to room from BKK and she doesn't have key so this lady had to go. Later after asking a lot she told me this reason which I believe up to some extent is true). Anyway I explained her that she agreed for the entire night so can't do this now, but she isn't ready to understand. A lot of arguments happened, I explained her each and everything like how I changed my plan booked hotel again just to stay with her but she isn't ready to understand and told she had to go anyhow. When all this arguments were happening she used to look in the window to outside multiple times, I just didn't understand why!

Anyway after all these arguments she was not ready at all to stay so I told her I could only pay a short term charge of 1000 bahts to which she reluctantly agreed. I paid her up and she left. Before leaving when I asked her how she stayed the entire night 2 days back, then she hadn't any answer for that. I let her go.

Somebody please explain me WTH happened to me. I know it's my first mongering in Thailand, but this is absurd. What was my fault in it.

Later I messaged her saying sorry for the argument and also requested to make things clear before coming on a call. She is yet to reply. I just couldn't believe all these things happened to me couple of hours back. In a kind of depressed stage now, just wanted to share.

N. B. - I know it's a very long review but please have a read. Sorry for any typo errors.

Sixty Two Echo

03-14-16, 20:37

Quiet a few girls out tonight. And I am sad to report that the police are still running them off. Or at least running them across the street for a few minutes. I took a spinner. 25 years old with a flat stomach and smooth skin. She said 700 baht and I went over the details and off we went. I have had a long run of great girls lately and my like hit a speed bump. She was good, but not great. All in all we still had fun. Cleaned up and dropped her off at her hotel, which happened to be right around the corner from where I am staying. And now I am in my room at a decent hour (for Pattaya). It's 2:35 am.

Jgm005

03-14-16, 20:40

Sixty Two Echo

03-14-16, 20:44

I forgot to mention back at the "café" on Beach Road I was sitting next to a guy that had a bill for 350 baht. He tipped the waitress 1200 baht. He was European and spoke very little English and very little Thai. But one thing was for sure, he had been drinking. Party like a Rock Star!

Haven123

03-14-16, 21:55

I forgot to mention back at the "caf" on Beach Road I was sitting next to a guy that had a bill for 350 baht. He tipped the waitress 1200 baht. He was European and spoke very little English and very little Thai. But one thing was for sure, he had been drinking. Party like a Rock Star!Sorry, how exactly did you discern the specific numbers? First hand, second hand info, from afar. Or did you actually go look at someone's bill and payment? Sorry, I'm just curious. That's all.

Mr Enternational

03-14-16, 22:29

I forgot to mention back at the "caf" on Beach Road I was sitting next to a guy that had a bill for 350 baht. He tipped the waitress 1200 baht. Great day to be a waitress. In comparisson with the chick that took me out two nights ago the bill came to 790 and she tipped 20 baht.

BigRig2007

03-14-16, 23:17

As I parted ways with May on the morning of my birthday (3/14) at the Vasu Money Exchange and having almost a full 5000 baht more than I did when initially exchanging my money at the airport, I was walking back to my hotel and some guy asked me where I'm going and what do I need. I told him that I am going to Pattaya. He said 1200 baht. I said ok. So I went back the the Majestic Grande and checked out and saddled up for the ride. All in all, not a bad ride and the excitement was brewing as I have built my expectations up for quite some time. On the ride out I reflected on my impressions so far, as a first timer to Asia in general. I am very impressed with the Thai people, for the most part. They seem very eager to help me with anything I need and though things may cost me some, I'm not getting fleeced like in PI. Everything seems more than fair price wise. Anyway, I arrived at LK Metropole at around 12:00 noon and was checked in by a gracious staff, who like in Bangkok, took it upon themselves to let me know that my room was too big for just myself. I told them that I would fill it! The bell man kept telling me he could send up a massage girl. I declined, initially, because I really wanted to try Cory at DD. However, I called over there and she was booked for the whole day. BTW. Whoever answered the phone at DD didn't seem too friendly. So, I took the bellman up on his offer and the girl came up and was not very good looking but she did a mean oil massage. She kept saying, "just massage", to which I replied, "yep". Anyway, it felt good so it was worth it. She said 500 baht which seamed a lot but paid it and moved on. Next, it was afternoon so I took a walk / motorbike taxi to Soi 6. I did what you all suggested and walked down and back a couple times just taking in the view. I was kind of nervous because I didn't want to make too much eye contact with the LB's. I ended up stopping in Foxy, I think that's the name. I had seen their FB page and saw some cute girls on it so I thought I would take a chance since there were not really any good looking girls out front (of any of the bars really), I got inside and there was a bartender and a couple more girls. No one too pretty but very friendly so I stayed for a couple beers and talked with the girls. Side note: once the girls, everywhere I went, found out it was my birthday, they were all very generous about offering me congratulations and well wishes. I ended up taking a very sweet girl named kyo to the ST where we showered and she proceeded to BBBJ, ride, then K9. Finished pretty quick and just sat there talking. She kept saying that I was like black man. I think she meant my dick. Anyway, she had a great ass but some baby belly and stretch marks and a little frumpy but hey, it's my birthday and I'm spreading the aloha today! I then said goodbye to the rest of the girls and headed back out to beach Rd. I went and ate at Hooters. The service is poor here from the Russian girls, but there are a couple of absolutely gorgeous Thai girls here. After eating I went back to my hotel to shower and change. I am doing that a lot because it is so fucking hot. In Hawaii it is hot but not like this. I am always sweating my ass off. I changed into some pants and a collared shirt and went to LK Metro. I had seen the Lady Love agogo FB page and wanted to try it so I went in. It was way early at around 7:00 pm and there were only 3 girls on stage. One was very pretty, bleached blonde named May. (she's in my bed now as I type this review at 4:47 am). I fell absolutely in love, however with the hostess, said her name was New, or she was new so they named her New, whatever. She was a tiny little thing with braces and a sweet little petite body, darker tan than most. I had a few beers with her and the other hostess, an older lady but very nice. I ended up barfining them all at 800 baht so they could take me out. We went to WS, some bar with a band and ordered a bottle of Jack. I had a great time at this bar. The band was pretty good but I can't really remember the name. It was just inside WS on the left hand side. New and the other lady took off, said they would be back and left me with May, this was the May from lady love agogo not the May from BKK. Anyway, May was really into me. She was very fun and a real party girl. We listened to the band and the staff at this place was excellent, very attentive. Probably because I spent so much. The bill ended up being 2500 baht or something for the bottle and all the other drinks we had. Just when I thought I had been tricked into barfining the two other girls so they could dig out, they returned and it turns out they had bought me a cake with candles and everything. I thought this was really sweet. So the band played happy birthday, the whole staff brought out the cake and a good time was had by all. We all then headed back to my hotel where he girls played a drinking gale but it was clear that I was only going to bang May. That was fine by me. So they two other girls left and May and I got busy. We were using my Trojan Bareskins and they kept bunching up so she took it off and in the heat of the moment I barebacked that shit and now I am a little worried. When we were done we went back to Lady Love where everyone greeted me again and it was much busier. There where some really hot girls on stage and all around. May seemed a little j when I was checking out this other girl on stage with tattoos all over, I like tattoos. Anyway, I decided to stick with May since she was very sweet and pretty herself. There was some dude dancing on a pole with a girl so that kind of crept me out. I played a little with New and May, feeling them up and what not but again, it was clear that Mat was not into the threesome. She kept asking me, "you want boom boom two girls? Why you like that? As it stood, the only money that had changed hands so far was the bar fines of 800 baht for the three ladies and some lady drinks. I took may back to my hotel and she wanted more action. After I banged her again, tried to use the condom but again she pulled it off. Very receptive performance in bed though, she did tell me that she was glad I didn't boo boom with two girls. I was kind of tired anyway so I told her I was glad as well. I think I will give her 4000 baht tomorrow / today. I believe she wants to stay with me and she even asked if I wanted her to come to Phuket with me. Not sure I want that. Anyway, I had a great birthday.

Haven123

03-14-16, 23:33

Great day to be a waitress. In comparisson with the chick that took me out two nights ago the bill came to 790 and she tipped 20 baht.Hey, Mr. ENT: And your tip ? Let's see...my imagination is running wild ?

Anyways, you seem to be far ahead of the rest of the pack! I think you are the only here getting paid for your services, your time or your company!! Which is it? Or, all of the above? Given your popularity, perhaps you should start a website and ask the girls to line up and take a number or book you. In the future?? Just a suggestion. LOL! JK.

HotShaneHot

03-15-16, 02:09

Day 3.

I was get a motorbike taxi to the Telephone bar get the lady a drink then she is naked play as much as you like good fun I like it.

Then up to the room for a fuck 700 Bart.

No photos at this place.

Mr Enternational

03-15-16, 02:16

I was in 808 the other night and met a chick as her and her friend were about to leave to go to iBar. I told her she should just come to Club 306 instead. How much you give me? How much you want? 2000. Hahaha. No way. I live here; I am not on holiday. 1000. No I can not. They left and came back 45 minutes later.

I asked what happened at iBar. She said it was not good so we came back. It must have been about 4:45 and everybody was leaving 808. I ran into the girl once again at the top of the escalator and told her this was her last chance for 1000. She went down to 1500. I said no way.

Me and my wingman went outside and started walking to my bike on Soi Diamond. The girl was right behind me so I took 1000 baht out of my pocket and slowed down to show her what she was missing out on. She still wouldn't bite.

I got to my bike and her and my wingman continued up the soi to get motorbike taxis. I pulled up to her as she was about to get on the motorbike taxi and told her that I would give her a ride home. The whole way there she kept telling me "ru mak". (You know too much.) She even was telling me where she lived and taking me the long way but I showed her a shorter way.

I don't know what she had going on but she wouldn't take that 1000 for shit. When we pulled up to her place she got a call on her phone. I kind of picked up that it was a guy, seemed like a boyfriend. Maybe he does not let her take less than 1500 was all I could figure. The next day my wingman asked me how the girl was. I told him that I was just giving her a ride home.

Sixty Two Echo

03-15-16, 04:36

I think it's awesome how you stuck to your guns Mr. E. When asked, I tell people I am willing to walk away from every girl if the price isn't right. And I know there are people out there where money isn't an issue to them. I say good to them, do your thing. As for me I will, most of the time, try to keep the prices steady or drive them down.

Hey BigRig, you might try breaking your report up into paragraphs. It makes for easier reading. Just a friendly suggestion. Up to you.

Heaven123, to answer your question, the man I was talking about sat one foot away from me. He started talking to me in his native tongue. I told him I was from the US and I didn't speak his language. He was trying to hold up a conversation, but it was painful at best. Later, when the waitress stood in front of use, she tells him "350 baht". He gives her a 1000 baht bill. She tells him "1000 baht" like a lot of places do to confirm your payment. He said "you keep". She said "your bill is only 350 baht. He then pulls out a hand full of baht and hands it to her. He said "tip for you". She said thank you and walked away. He stood up and left. The waitress came back and finished cleaning up his table and when she look at me "I said ting tong" (crazy). And she said "mac mac"(very). Then I said "nung pan jeb"(one thousand tip). Then she said "no, one thousand two hundred".

So, Heaven123, that is how it went down. I am not some kind of troll that looks over peoples shoulders to see their bill and how much money they paid. He was that close to me and he initiated a conversation and the waitress included me as well. Another thing I will tell you about me is I don't make up stores. And I give people respect. I have lived a very wild life for many years and believe you me I have thousands of stories to tell. And if it is coming from me they are all true.

Haven123

03-15-16, 05:19

Haven123

03-15-16, 05:25

I was in 808 the other night and met a chick as her and her friend were about to leave to go to iBar. I told her she should just come to Club 306 instead.Pardon me, but where is Club 306 ? Did a quick Google search and nothing came up. I assume it's a night club/ disco ?

TellAll

03-15-16, 07:32

Pardon me, but where is Club 306 ? Did a quick Google search and nothing came up. I assume it's a night club/ disco ?I believe it's his room number.

Wolvenvacht

03-15-16, 08:28

I'm here with another example review of mine. If somebody wants to scold me after reading this, then please feel free to do so. I deserve it I guess.

So here is the entire story.

(. . .)

Somebody please explain me WTH happened to me. I know it's my first mongering in Thailand, but this is absurd. What was my fault in it.

Later I messaged her saying sorry for the argument and also requested to make things clear before coming on a call. She is yet to reply. I just couldn't believe all these things happened to me couple of hours back. In a kind of depressed stage now, just wanted to share.
This is Thailand! (or "TIT" as it is sometimes abbreviated). You are in an area of the universe that seems beyond the realm where the usual rules of cause and effect hold sway.

I don't think you did anything wrong, nor that things would have been different if you did anything else. Just accept that things happen for no reason. Buddhists live in the here and now. The past is gone and the future is not yet here, so why worry?

Move on to the next experience. It is never a failure and always a lesson and the lesson is that there is always a next day to enjoy.

You had a nice GFE experience the first time. Cherish the memory. The next experience was less GFE-ish, but that was because you expected another similar or even better GFE and got something different. So stop expecting things to go in certain ways. Your expectations colored your experience and disappointed you.

I almost never have a bad experience when in Thailand and the very few times I was disappointed was because I indeed projected some of my wishes forward and the universe failed to live up to my expectations. How very naughty of the universe!

Live by the day, sample the experiences as they happen and be happy with what comes your way. Those are the principles for a happy life.

Mr Enternational

03-15-16, 10:01

Day 3.

I was get a motorbike taxi to the Telephone bar get the lady a drink then she is naked play as much as you like good fun I like it.

Then up to the room for a fuck 700 Bart.Reminds me. I went to Telephone Bar last week around closing time with a couple of friends. Two of us bought lady drinks for each respective girl that was standing next to us. Something that my buddy said just keeps ringing in my head. He said when he ordered the drink his girl had her clothes off before they could put ice in the glass. It was fun playing with those titties and pussies for the measly sum of 160 baht. I could have sworn that girl was telling me 1000 to fuck and 700 for head.

Sixty Two Echo

03-15-16, 10:37

Hey Haven123, The guy actually mentioned to me earlier when talking about him taking two girls, that money was no object. He at least had the "money is no object" phrase down. He did have a few beers and it was obvious to me he was just showing off. My point was that a 1200 baht tip on a 350 baht bill was just, well, stupid. Maybe I came across a little heavy Haven123, but we are square in my book.

So I had my lunch at Bay Watch. They under cooked the eggs, again. And on my way out one of the girls that work there didn't watch where she was going and slammed into me. No big deal, right? Well, she said "shag wow!" Which, correct me if I'm wrong, means "jackoff". I just turned to her and shook my head. That's the second time they have cussed at me on this trip. And it's also the second time I had to send the food back to get cooked. They used to be really good there. Too bad, they just lost my business. I know, one customer, big deal. My point is, if you are thinking of going there, be ready to send your food back to get cook and don't be surprised if they cuss you on your way out. I have to imagine they didn't know that I understood what they were saying. But I did.

After Beach Walk had oil massage, 300 baht with 100 baht tip. The woman I use knows her craft and does a good job on me. That's why I use her three times a week. Picked up 100 photos that cost me 400 baht. Yep, you guessed it, putting together the photo album. And before anybody asks, no, I don't post my pictures. A lot of the girls I photograph let me with the agreement I don't post them on the internet. And I Don't.

Sixty Two Echo

03-15-16, 18:00

Went to a café on Beach Road near Soi 10 and had two beers (160 baht with tip). The police closed Beach Road for a few minutes for Royalty motorcade. I was just about to leave when the girl I was looking for showed up with her girlfriend (had the girlfriend the night before). Had actually worked out the details with the two of them the night before (at the same time). They were laughing and giggling, it was kind of entertaining to talk dirty to two young girls at the same time. So it was a quick Hello, and are you ready? She said yes and off we went. This girl was 30 and like most Thai girls was in shape. Photo shoot, shower, get busy, clean up and dropped her off. Not quite two hours round trip. We actually spent a little while fooling around so I paid her the agreed 700 baht and gave her another 100 baht tip. Came back to the room, still very early, lets wait and see what the night brings.

BigRig2007

03-15-16, 18:55

Not sure how his will turn out but I got three BF's from Heaven Above Pattaya just now and it looks like now that I have BF'ed them they might not like each other at all!

HotShaneHot

03-16-16, 00:57

Reminds me. I went to Telephone Bar last week around closing time with a couple of friends. Two of us bought lady drinks for each respective girl that was standing next to us. Something that my buddy said just keeps ringing in my head. He said when he ordered the drink his girl had her clothes off before they could put ice in the glass. It was fun playing with those titties and pussies for the measly sum of 160 baht. I could have sworn that girl was telling me 1000 to fuck and 700 for head..Yer Pipe Layer99 was say the same thing 700 BJ 1,000 FS.

The next day I was goto La Poste bar soi Lengkee some owner same set up.

Ofter I get her a drink she was naked and taking my pants off then I was getting a BJ right there in the bar 500 for head 700 for sex.

Mer Zues

03-16-16, 01:14

Not sure how his will turn out but I got three BF's from Heaven Above Pattaya just now and it looks like now that I have BF'ed them they might not like each other at all!LOL oh no, you are screwed mate. I hope things work out.

BigRig2007

03-16-16, 01:43

LOL oh no, you are screwed mate. I hope things work out.So, I got these three girls from Heaven Above Pattaya. I was a little nervous because it looked like, after I paid the barfine, they didn't like each other. It turns out that one of them just really liked me and was trying to turn me off the other girls. That's OK. It didn't work. So, we ended up going to 808 and got a bottle of Grey goose. Met some guys from NYC, and Kenya. It was a fun night. Got them back to my hotel. LK Metropole. Geez, I forget how we made it back, WTF. Anyway, one was a really tiny girl named Nong, she was fucked up and ended up being sick in the bathroom after watching some you tube videos. The one that really liked me was IP, she was a little older and had fake Dees. The other one was named cookie and she was DTF immediately. So we went and got busy. Once finished I gave her 2 k and was ready to send them on their way. IP asked me why I no like to pay for all the girls, I said only one made boom boom, the it was on. Haha. Nong grabbed me by the hand and took me back to the bedroom and said, you want boom boom, I'll give you boom boom. So that was done and another 2 k was added to her kitty. Then Nong and Cookie left and IP stayed, she is the one that really liked me so we had a talk about my leaving for Phuket today and blah blah. I then grabbed her for the hat trick and she started shuddering. It seemed she might have had an O right there. I took her back and threw her on the bed and she attacked me, she was the best performer out of them all, though not the best looking. I almost got it in the A until she realized this and shook me off. Haha. Anyway, she was good and another 2 k was shelled out. I walked her out and the bell guys were laughing at me. IP said they were wondering if I was ever going to sleep. Two days in Pattaya, I'll sleep in Phuket! Anyway, I did have a good time in Pattaya. Tonight I visited, Windmill, and didn't care for it too much, nothing too exciting. Fahrenheit, was OK. Decent but too busy. Heaven Above Pattaya was good for me cause it wasn't too busy and there were some pretty girls there. I almost didn't get any action there because they thought I was Thai man. I had to correct them, being an American from Hawaii, then they loved me. Thanks again forum, for your tips and tricks.

OneRose

03-16-16, 10:50

I'll have a few more late reports from my last trip.

After being disappointed again in the go go bars, I decided to visit some old friends in one of the beer bars in WS. As I got there, I was disappointed that the bar name has changed, there was a new mamasan, and all the girls that I knew were gone. I looked around at the other ones and nothing caught my eye (the quality is getting really low here too) . I went in the other perpendicular street with beer bars and looked around. The selections seemed to be better. At some point I saw one of my all time Thai favorites dancing. As I was walking toward here, he recognized me too and starting waving. As I look closer, I realized that half of the girls were the ones working in the old bar. What a find! I was so happy to see them again, especially that they all remembered me. Last that, I stop at least for a drink every night and I got to know them. Even the mamasan recognized me and we had a pleasant talk. As I was quite tired, I decided not to take the 2 girls that I wanted to repeat from last time. I asked the mamasan for a recommendation and she showed me a farm fresh dark skin girl that was (allegedly) new in business. I bought here a drink and her English level made me realized that she was not so new as she / they was / were pretending. Be it as it may, I decided to take her back home. Being so excited because I found the lost bar, I forgot the basics and didn't really got into much details with her.

We got to the room, where I got the usual disappointment when she got naked. Even though her face was sweet, her belly was showing the marks of a pregnancy and her (bad) silicones showed me that she had a falang sugar daddy at some point.

We showered, and we got to the action. She blew me covered, than I fucked her in missionary. Her pussy was not tight at all and she was bored of the whole action. She sucked my dick at the end, and I finished in her mouth.

Unfortunately, she didn't allow me to take a video or not even photos of her, but that was my mistake as I didn't spoke to her about that.

As I got out of the shower, she was already dressed and she let me know that she is leaving. We talked about 2000 for LT so I told her she is not getting more than 1000 which she agreed immediately. She got the money and than she left.

Damage was 1500-2000 for BF and LDs, and 1000 for her.

Looks: 7-7,5 (cute face, nice ass, but fake boobs and big belly).

Sex: 4 (nothing special, cold, bored, no video, no COF, leaving after the first session).

I am really considering a new destination for my next holiday, and would love to get a suggestion of a place where girls are video friendly (even if it costs more for that particular service).

OneRose

03-16-16, 10:57

The next days I spent in the company of my old friends from the previous mentioned bar. I got a few video memories for a life time and had a great time in the bar and outside it. The experience was even better as last time, which proves that getting to know them, putting the time into building a (sort of) relationship, could bring you a better outcome.

Each of them got a special present (of course I am talking about a big tip) on top of the normal price, and I took every one out for dinner and breakfast. We kissed goodbye and I promised them to visit them again when I'll be around (which I think will not be very soon).

I still find the beer garden / beer bar scene much better than the go go. Even though you can't see their naked body before going to the room, you get a quiet (er) atmosphere to chat in and that might give you an insight in her personality. The prices are better as well and the quality is (at least for my taste) at least as good as the one in go go s. I think is just a matter of finding the perfect bar for you.

As a downside of the bar scene, especially the ones that are grouped in the perpendicular streets along WS, you can't really regularly go to more than 2 in one of the streets in a regular manner because they will get jealous and you won't get the kind of relationship I was previously talking about.

OneRose

03-16-16, 11:29

In one of my last nights out I decided to follow one of the fantasies that I have since my first visit to Pattaya, a few years ago.

I walked along the beach until I found her, the woman that had (strangely) been in my head in the last years, every time when I was in the mood for kinky. I am talking of course of the well known (for Pattaya mongers that walk around the beach) old skinny woman with short dress that always wears a lot of make up. If you don't know here, you'd probably need more time in Pattaya.

Anyways, I approached her and she gave me a wide smile. She was really amazed that someone young would want her. She told me that ST would be 500 . I asked if that would include Anal, COF and Video and she confirmed.

She took me to a (ultra) low quality short time place. It was the dirtiest place I've ever been into. The walls were so dirty that you wouldn't guess they were once white, there was no window (except from the bars that were crossing in front of a frame towards the hallway, the bed was destroyed, the bathroom was horrible but at least the bed covers looked clean. The promiscuity of the place added to her kinky dirty hooker looks were a great turn on and that looked already like an extreme experience.

After she showered (I have to say that only here looks were dirty, as she was quite clean for a street prostitute) , she started blowing me (covered) . She was doing it perfect, deep throat with no problem, very wet, perfect sounds. She laid on her back and I fucked her her pussy and ass as hard as possible, changing between the 2 holes with no difficult whatsoever (who needs lube?) . She seemed genuinely horny at some point and we changed into cowgirl where she was even better.

After a good session in which she basically smiled to the camera all the time, I cum on her face. Without even telling her, she ate it all.

I will not try to grade the experience as it was something different. It was, as I was saying, an extreme experience and the fact that you can get that for 10 euros makes it even better. I decided to give her 1000 as I thought that she did a great job and that made her very happy.

OneRose

03-16-16, 11:40

My last day in Patts I took another MILF from the beach as I was still under the influence of my 'extreme' experience.

As I had first seen her, she seemed quite shy and not used to the scene, which made me think that she is new. I approached her and I realized that I hit the jackpot. She didn't spoke any word in English and she was really uncomfortable with the whole situation. Looked promising. Her (older) friend translated. I found out that she was charging 500 for short time. I offered her 700 for everything including anal, COF and video. She refused at first, but her friend convinced her. She tried to propose a threesome, which I was not very keen on doing, but said that I would do as long as they lick each other. They kept talking on the way to the short time place (a nice one this time). I asked them again if they'll lick each other, the one I wanted declined, the other one tried to convince her but got a refusal. I went up to the room with her. She didn't speak more than 50 words in English.

She started blowing me covered, than I fucked her hard which caused her some pain so I needed to slow down a little bit. I tried to fuck her ass, but it was too hard for a real fuck, so I just kind of poked her ass with my dick. At the end I finished on her face. She was quite shy because of the camera, but smiled at the end as she got more relaxed.

She told me that I was her first customer, that she worked as a food vendor and some other bullshit. I don't know and don't care if that's true, but could be.

Looks: 6,5 (her face was cute, tits were nice, but her belly and her age bring her down).

Sex: 6 (not experienced, not being able to take a hard fuck, not even pretending to enjoy it, a plus for the COF and video).

MusicalToM

03-16-16, 13:23

Sixty Two Echo

03-16-16, 15:16

Went back out about 1:30 am to my caf on Beach Street and Soi 10. Had two beers and headed to walking street. As I was passing Marine Disco I noticed six or seven girls going in. So I followed. It wasn't packed, but there were enough girls there to keep me around for a beer or two. It wasn't long before a girl came up to me and told me her girlfriend likes me and wanted to know if I wanted to meet her. Yep, my Lady Boy warning light turned on. I asked where is the friend. She pointed her out and sure enough, just as I expected. I asked if the friend was a Lady or Lady Boy. She said I should talk to her first. I said Thank You, I don't want. About two songs later they relocated.

While I was enjoying myself, I noticed a pair of eyes and a big smile looking at me. It was a girl I had a couple of weeks ago. I said Hello, and she asked for a drink. Since I normally don't repeat girls I told her no, with a smile of course. And said bye. Shortly after that, I see a shorty smiling at me over her drink. It was a girl I had two nights ago. I smiled back and decided to relocate again. I went to the other side of the Club and park behind a table that had two girls. The first on sees me and notifies her girlfriend. They both are turning around to check me out and it's a girl I took from earlier in the week. Trifecta! We smiled and laughed at each other and waived. She was smoking a cigarette this time. That's a turn off for me and I shuffled over a table. I looked at my log and I paid 700 baht for one of the girls, 800 baht for the other and 1000 baht for the last. So, I am thinking if you are quoted more then 1000 baht for short time at Marine Disco, you might consider a counter offer. Just a friendly suggestion. But to each their own.

Relocated back to the other side of the disco and made eye contact with a taller, young looking girl. Soon after she waives me over. I waived her over and she walked up to me. We talked for a short while and she asked if I wanted to take her. I asked how much? She said 800 baht. I asked how much and she said 700 baht. I said ok, lets go. Get to the room and she goes belly up on me (lazy). After only a couple minutes of BBBJ she wanted to stop. I said no, smoke. About ten minutes later she rolled over and said condom. I suit up and told her to get on top. She rides for a few minutes and hops off. I said no, more. Gets back on top and goes a while longer. I said ok, me on top. She starts off with "after, we sleep" What a turn off. First off, no, I don't let girls sleep over (but I didn't tell her that). Second, I just got on top. Let me clock in and lather up for a few minutes. Then she starts coughing. I was not happy with how this girl ended up in the sack. I decided to stop and cut her loose. 700 baht might have been ok around midnight for this girl. But at 5 am, she was wore out and like I said, went belly up.

In Pattaya a little over two weeks and I have had 19 girls. Most of which were great performers. And a lot at the "good" performance level. Guess I should be happy this is the only "bad" performance I have had so far.

Banana Boi

03-16-16, 15:37

Visited Taboo gogo on Walking Street. Girls were only average but fun atmosphere especially in the back part of the club. There was also a girl who looks Russian working there.

BigRig2007

03-16-16, 16:50

You fucking guys bone all these girls constantly. I was in Bangkok for 2 nights and Pattaya for 2 nights and my sack is tapped out. LOL. I am in Phuket now and I just bar fined a girl from one of the bars the one with all the lit up palm trees and the kick ass pole dancers across the street from Tiger. I'll post a report in Phuket but god damn this chick is the hottest I have seen in Thailand so far. I was just going for some cocktails and to say that I've been to Bangla but I ended up barfining this girl because she was fuckign hot! Her chubby friend was chatting me up and I guess sometimes that's the best way in with the lovelies, chat up the chubby friend. I think there was and is a line out the door for this girl but she gave me first dibs cause her friend told her I was the one she should go with and we both have Pomeranians! Haha. Anyway, what a trip. But, yeah, I don't get how you guys do it. I'm dead tired right now and shooting blanks. You must be supermen! LOL.

Sixty Two Echo

03-16-16, 20:29

Head over to my watering hole on Beach Road and Soi 10. Had three beers (240 baht with tip). Started walking the board walk and priced a 19 year old full of tattoos and the fake colored contacts. She said 1000 baht short time. I asked for a discount and she said she could only go for 1000 baht. I said nice to meet you and walked. The next woman was 31. Trim, slim, great Thai smile and confident. Got her to laugh and priced her. She quoted 800 baht. I asked for a discount down to 700 baht and see said ok. Worked out the details. Motor over to the hotel, photo shoot, clean up and went on to have one of the better sessions I have had on this trip. After, she struck up conversation with me. So we hung out on my bed butt naked chit chatting. Very relaxed, very comforting. Cleaned up and paid her 700 baht with a 100 baht tip. Gave her a rid to the beach and dropped her off. Back at the room by 2 am. Been staying up way too late lately, think I will shut it down.

Sixty Two Echo

03-17-16, 12:31

Yep, they are setting up stages, sound equipment, cattle fencing and pop up canopies in preparation for the Pattaya Music Festival. I hear Beach road will be closed at Pattaya Klang. I noticed a set up at Beach Road and Soi 4/ Soi 5 also. I have not been to one of the Music Festivals. Looks like they are expecting a big turn out.

Crocodilexp

03-18-16, 05:25

During my stay in Pattaya I saw a lot of WGs from Laos, Indonesia and some near by countries.

I wonder how do they get work permit, long term visa, ID cards, learn local language and all other related matters.

Are there some agencies who force girls into this or they come and work by their choice?Interesting. They generally don't have any of those things, especially not Thai ID cards. ASEAN countries get visa-free short term travel, so they either do visa runs or are on overstay.

I don't think any of the girls (foreign or otherwise) you'd find in Pattaya are forced into the business (surely not in an organized way). The way the scene works, it would be difficult for a pimp / agency to enforce compliance. However, trafficking of Lao / Cambodian / Burmese working girls is a problem in certain Thai brothels and massage parlors, especially in border regions, but you're unlikely to come across those.

Technically Lao / Burmese / Cambodian can get long-term visas as migrant workers (Indonesians / Vietnamese cannot), but I doubt you'll find many of them far from work sites (mostly construction / factories).

As for the language, Lao is similar enough to Thai that they wouldn't have an issue.

In all my times in Pattaya, I haven't seen that many working girls from other East/Southeast Asian countries, and it's not for my lack of interest. A very small number of PRC Chinese, a few Lao which are hard to tell apart from Thai / Issan, a few Cambodians (again, hard to tell from Southern Issan). Sadly, zero Vietnamese or Indonesians.

I'm wondering if any of those girls were actually bullshitting you. How sure are you they're foreign? The easiest giveaway is not speaking Thai when addressing other Thais, or speaking it poorly / with an unusual accent.

Key question: where do you find them?

Leisure Dude

03-18-16, 05:31

Woke up had breakfast and checked out of the Patong Beach Hotel, hopped into a taxi to the airport for my flight back to Bangkok for a little bit of business to take care of. While waiting in que to check my luggage for Air Asia there were these three smoking hot Chinese girls in there 20's with three guys in there 50's or 60's. I thought they where on some kind of modeling gig or something, them later it came to me that these girls maybe these guys second wife's / mistresses on a little holiday from China what lucky guy's! Getting on the plane I noticed misted or fog coming out of the air ventilation system wondering if this is do to the high humidity here in Thailand? This is the first time I have seen this on a plane.

Landed back in Bangkok at DMK met the same driver from five days ago who had picked me up at BKK. First stop Bangkok business stuff, then made my way to Pattaya the drive seemed longer than I thought. But I made it and checked into the Marriott. The room is bla compared to the Landmark or Patong Beach Hotel nothing to write home about. But the grounds are just gorgeous! Looking into the bay I see loads of para gliding going back and forth on the bay, need to try this.

I walked down Beach Road to Walking Street it was early 8 pm or so took in the sights of beach road on the way and saw some prospective ladies standing around amongst the tourist. Once on Walking Street the hordes of people taking in the sights were bizarre Chinese and Japanese tour groups fallowing there flag waving tour guides. Seeing grand & great grand parents, grand mas hand covered smiles in a red light district is new to me. It had a different feel to it compared to Patong's Walking Street, less party atmosphere for business like. I don't know just my first impression that's all I did not go into any of the Go gos just getting the lay of the land the first night here. Thanks Allover for the nice words, I'm only doing the best I can.

Sixty Two Echo

03-18-16, 08:09

Carbon copy of the last few nights. Go to Caf on Beach Road and Soi 10. Have three beers (240 baht with tip). Pick up a girl on the beach. She quoted 800 baht and I asked for a discount and she repeated 800 baht. I said 700 baht. She said ok without hesitating. Maybe I should counter with 200 baht less, in the future. Worked out the details, hopped on the motor bike and off we went. Get to the room and she is not happy taking pictures. I squeeze a couple out of her and we clean up. Had a pretty good time once we got in the sack. Finished, cleaned up and got ready to leave and managed to talk her into a couple of more pictures. I thought once we got to know each other better she would warm up to me. Gave her 700 baht and 100 baht tip. Dropped her at the Beach Walk. We chit chat for a few before parting. I asked her about the police harassing the girls. She said she was on Walking Street this week and got caught by the police. She had to pay 200 baht fine. She said she was fined for standing. So I sit back down and had two more beers at the Local Caf.

About 1:30 am or so I head over to Walking Street. I don't even go to Walking Street before midnight anymore. Too many Tour Groups and too many families with their children. Oh well, free country right? Head into Lucifers to use their restroom. On my way out ran across one of the band members. I asked when they were going to complete construction. He said that is a very good question, nobody knows. So I asked when did they start. He said July last year. Eight months, ouch! So I get a beer from 7/11 and take in the sights. Then another beer from 7/11. And I head into Marine Disco about 2:15 am. Very few people tonight. Did a walk around and headed out.

Went to Insomnia, which was packed, and had a beer and got into the vibe. One of the stage girls motioned for me to buy her a drink. Nope, just smiled and ignored her. I am not against buying a girl a drink. But it usual happens if we first strike up a conversation and I have already worked out the deal and I want to stay and have a drink myself. Stayed till about almost 4 am and left. Years ago, back in the US, I bought too many drinks for too many girls and it didn't always lead to getting some action. Of course those were for what I call civilians (you might know them as non pros). Those days are over. There are guide lines that if you follow you can enjoy the monger scene. And if you cross, well, it can sometimes bite you in the ass. Ordered something to eat off of one of the street vendors and headed back to the hotel.

Haven123

03-18-16, 09:06

Great stuff man! You the king of action down in Patts! I am super impressed.

One comment FWIW, re not wanting to buy anyone a drink for zero in return, you obviously have some good dineros, just totaling up all your spend, right? The country of Thailand and Patts have given you a lot, I believe.

So, why not, just once in a while, while you are in Patts, buy a girl a drink, without expecting anything back? I think the expense will disappear in the second decimal place. All I'm saying is why be so calculating all the time? Not for impressing us (just keep it anonymous) or anyone, but just to allow your mind to open up, or just for your own karma or whatever?

If you heart the girls in Patts, why not just let your wallet off for a few seconds? Not for a thousands of baht but just for a few hundred? It won't matter to you in the least. It may not matter to them either but it might just be good for your " self ".

Unless, of course, you feel it's a mental discipline thing, a principle thing, or you don't quite see them (in their totality vs. individually) as unworthy of it, for whatever reason. And in that case of course I understand.

Just an observation fwiw, and it really is A-Ok if you disagree. Just know that I say this with the best of intentions.

May the force be with you.

Blanquiceleste

03-18-16, 09:09

I'm wondering if any of those girls were actually bullshitting you. How sure are you they're foreign? The easiest giveaway is not speaking Thai when addressing other Thais, or speaking it poorly / with an unusual accent.

Key question: where do you find them?Croc, sorry to cut in but in his original post MusicalTom does not mention anything about any girl telling him specifically that they were from other SEA countries. I believe this is purely a figment of his imagination (or sheer ignorance). On the BKK thread he has posted that he saw Chinese and Japanese girls inside Baccara, so you know what's coming. He seems to be in a world of his own.

Sixty Two Echo

03-18-16, 12:27

Just read Haven123's follow up report. LMAO, I had a mental image of tires screeching as he spins out of control. Oh, I do let down my guard every once in a while. And I have made a friend in Pattaya. I have taken her to the Sauna, the Movies, to Dinner, bla bla bla. But yes, I have a budget. 26 days in country and my goal is stay under $3000 US. For that I pay air fare, hotel, motor bike rental, food, beer, mild entertainment, taxi, buses, laundry, develop photos, internet fees and all the girls I feel like (projecting 30). I have less then a week to go and it's going to be close.

Talk about letting down your guard, had street vender food last night. And yes, you guessed, got the runs today. Went to the Pharmacy for meds. Went for lunch at Central Festival. Returned to hotel to clean up and rest. About 4 pm cruised Beach Road and met a 28 year old shorty. Dark Dark skin, jet black hair and a nice round butt. Asked her how much and she said 500 baht, Bingo! Went over details, motor bike to hotel. Snap photos, clean up, get down, clean up, clean up, drop off. Back in the room about 6 pm. More rest. Shaggers Back is acting up. I'm not 48 any more.

Sudumalli

03-18-16, 21:52

Was in Thailand few weeks back and while walking passing Soi 6, maybe close to Soi 3 which I was told found a place which said body massage. Walked in to check it out and it was a buffet of ladies waiting across which they call fish bowl or something like that. Selected a girl from the lot and asked for the price. They are priced by the tag which is worn by each girl.

Walked into the room, was having a chit chat while she was filling the bath tub. Oh ya, this room has a bed, mirrors on ceiling, tub, air mat and some chairs which I was seated and smoking until the tub was filled. Once the tub was filled, we both took our clothes off and I got into the tub while she scrubbed me. I was given mouth wash, while in the tub she got on me, played with junior, while I was licking boobs.

We got off to the air mat and I got an amazing body to body massage. Had a wash and got onto bed with a hard-on. Got a CBJ, fingered her and started FS. Went in many positions while enjoying the show on all mirrors until junior gave up. Had a wash again tipped and left.

Overall was an amazing experience.

Sixty Two Echo

03-19-16, 03:27

Sounds like good times Sudumalli. You mentioned the girls were different prices, how much were the prices?

Nothing much to report from last night. Swung by the Music Festival around 8 pm. It was kind of nice not having to worry about traffic on Beach Road. I came down Soi 10 on the motor bike. That is where the road block ends on the south side. Lots of vendors, lots of food, still kind of early, it wasn't too crowded. Didn't stay long, I am still a little under the weather. Went back to hotel and rested. Later I picked up my massage girlfriend and took her to her place. Yep, she road me like a rented mule. After, headed back to the hotel to rest some more. Had to take a different way home because part of Beach Road was closed. I've been staying up to near sunrise a lot lately. Easy to do in Pattaya.

Mr Enternational

03-19-16, 10:35

Any time you see a sign that says Body Massage it is a soapy massage place. These days they range in prices from 2000-4000 baht, depending on which place you go to and which bunch of girls you select from at that particular place.

MusicalToM

03-19-16, 12:32

Croc, sorry to cut in but in his original post MusicalTom does not mention anything about any girl telling him specifically that they were from other SEA countries. I believe this is purely a figment of his imagination (or sheer ignorance). On the BKK thread he has posted that he saw Chinese and Japanese girls inside Baccara, so you know what's coming. He seems to be in a world of his own.
Interesting. They generally don't have any of those things, especially not Thai ID cards. ASEAN countries get visa-free short term travel, so they either do visa runs or are on overstay.

I don't think any of the girls (foreign or otherwise) you'd find in Pattaya are forced into the business (surely not in an organized way). The way the scene works, it would be difficult for a pimp / agency to enforce compliance. However, trafficking of Lao / Cambodian / Burmese working girls is a problem in certain Thai brothels and massage parlors, especially in border regions, but you're unlikely to come across those.

Technically Lao / Burmese / Cambodian can get long-term visas as migrant workers (Indonesians / Vietnamese cannot), but I doubt you'll find many of them far from work sites (mostly construction / factories).

As for the language, Lao is similar enough to Thai that they wouldn't have an issue.Let me clarify you guys.

I got a nice sweet girl in Insomnia who is from Laos. She is now kind of my GF over here till the time I'm here and she is staying with me in my hotel. When we first met she told me she is from Laos and later I verified the same by checking out her passport, she is Lao and fluent in Thai. She has a friend who is from Indonesia who doesn't know Thai. Upon asking my GF how her friend manages here she told me that her friend knows a bit of Thai and okay in English thus somehow managing.

I asked her regarding the work permit and she says "They get a 2 month Visa and re-enter Thailand upon visa expiration". They don't have any Thai card, rather they use their passport as ID card. And of-course no one is forcing them into business, it's their own decision to come into business.

As per my GF's input there are ladies who are from Asian countries work here. Lao, Indo and Cambosa ladies are top among them. I personally have met 2 Indo ladies on my first day. I stopped mongering in Pattaya from 2nd day onward since my GF is taking care of me, otherwise I might have found some more ladies.

As per my experience these ladies work mostly as FLs and can be found at Freelancer bars like Insomnia / iBar, not sure if they stand in beach road.

Feel free to hit Insomnia after 10 pm and you may find someone interesting.

Sixty Two Echo

03-19-16, 15:03

Started off the day looking to get a pedi cure. Yep, figured I have been walking so much and getting way too many blisters, that it was time to treat my feet. Started off at 10 am. Went to five places before I found one that was open and had a girl there ready to work. 45 minutes later and 200 baht plus 100 baht tip and I was walking on easy street. Had lunch at Central Festival. Came back to room and rested till about 4:30 pm. Headed over to the Caf on Beach Road and Soi 10. Had a sandwich and a couple of beers. Watched the girls go by till about 8 pm. Started walking up and down Beach Road looking for a girl. Found a very good looking 25 year old from Bangkok. Quoted her and she said 1000 baht. I said this is Pattaya, 700 baht. She said 1000 baht. I said discount for Pattaya. She said how much? I said 700 baht. She said 800 baht, ok. Deal. Work out the details (forgot to mention photo shoot). Walked over to the motor bike, at first she didn't want to wear her helmet. I insisted. She sports the safety gear and off we go. Come up Pattaya Thai and make the turn at Tony's Gym and continue up the street. Right into a police check point. They wave us thru and I stop at the hotel. My girl asked why they didn't stop us. I said because we both wore helmets. Get to the room, pull out the camera and she freaks out. Poor thing is acting like I pulled out an axe. I put away the camera, calm her down and told her it was ok and everything will be alright. Walked her to the door, motioned for her to exit, she steps into the door way and I give her 100 baht for taxi back to the beach. Yeah, I know. I should have ran the photos by her at the beach while talking shop. I have slipped on that one a couple of times now, but all of the girls so far agreed. 22 said yes to photos this trip and one girl said no.

Oh yeah, thanks Mr. Enternational!

Sudumalli

03-19-16, 19:07

FL Hawk

03-19-16, 19:52

So I had my lunch at Bay Watch. They under cooked the eggs, again. And on my way out one of the girls that work there didn't watch where she was going and slammed into me. No big deal, right? Well, she said "shag wow!" Which, correct me if I'm wrong, means "jackoff". I just turned to her and shook my head. That's the second time they have cussed at me on this trip. And it's also the second time I had to send the food back to get cooked. They used to be really good there. Too bad, they just lost my business. I know, one customer, big deal. My point is, if you are thinking of going there, be ready to send your food back to get cook and don't be surprised if they cuss you on your way out. I have to imagine they didn't know that I understood what they were saying. But I did.

Bummer. That was my favorite place to eat breakfast on my last trip. Have been looking forward to eating there again. I guess I will have to ask them to overcook my eggs.

TheTank85

03-19-16, 21:05

Hello guys,

Visited Thailand in the beginning of February and was in Phuket, Pattaya and Bangkok.

Will be writing a detailed account of all experiences soon. Have been a little tied up with work and another small trip I made in between.

Stay tuned.

Crocodilexp

03-19-16, 23:01

As per my experience these ladies work mostly as FLs and can be found at Freelancer bars like Insomnia / iBar, not sure if they stand in beach road.

Feel free to hit Insomnia after 10 pm and you may find someone interesting.Thank you for the extra info, Tom. Indonesians are my favorite. Guess I'll have to find my earplugs and visit places like Insomnia (damn, do I hate those) to find the two you're talking about.

There aren't many non-Thai Asians on Beach Road, as far as I can tell. One Cambodian (still active), and one Lao (in the past), that I know of.

BushWhack

03-20-16, 04:27

Cruising Beach Road this past week, lots of talent from about 4 pm to late night. Due to the music festival this weekend several band stands have been set up, a big one on the beach sidewalk across from the Hilton, but from the Hilton down to around Mike's Shopping Center plenty from which to choose.

I was able to sample four wonderful selections, each short time for 500 THB. Very satisfied.

Sixty Two Echo

03-20-16, 09:34

Went back out around 10:30 pm. Started walking the beach around midnight. Met a young short girl and started chit chatting. She wasn't warming up, she had her game face on. I priced her and she said 1000 baht. He girlfriend next to her said 500 baht. I said oh really? She said she was joking. So I said nice to meet you and walked away. Got to I think it was near the Royal Garden Plaza when I saw three Russian woman who were drinking and being loud. I stopped when one of them sat between two Thai girls and started mocking them. It wasn't long until one of the Thai girls had enough and attacked the Russian girl and a small brawl broke out. It was quickly broken up and I left. I hopped on my motorbike and drove closer to Walking Street. Headed back in the direction of the brawl and saw the three Russian women. The one that was mocking the Thai girls before was shouting and pointing at the other Thai girls. So, the Russian Woman did not get arrested. I didn't make it to the location of the brawl to see if the Thai girl was there or not. I stopped and priced two more girls. Both had their way too serious game face on and both quoted 1000 baht. I decided to go to Walking Street.

Walked up and down walking street stopping at 7/11 to grab a beer when empty (39 baht). Stopped in Marine Disco about 2:30 am, dead. Kept Walking. Ended up in a club near the entrance of Walking Street. I didn't even look at the name. I think it was Walking Street Disco. Anyway, the music was good. Lots of girls dancing. I stayed and had a couple of beers (110 baht each). Then, like their shift was over, a bunch of the girls left. So I left to. I headed back to Marine Disco and it had picked up quite a bit. Had a beer and listened to music and enjoyed the view. I notice three girls checking me out. One was too drunk, one look too snooty and the third was looking like the one. Then I noticed a girl off to the side dancing her ass off and sporting a big smile. Bingo! I walked over and we started chit chatting. The music was so loud it was hard to hear. We danced and danced and danced. I finally asked her if she wanted to go with me. She said yes and I started working out the details. When it came to the subject of BJ's, she said condom. That killed my buzz. I said nice to meet you and walked away. It was 4:30 am. I was hungry and decided to call it a night and grab a bite before I left. I know, dud of an evening. Oh well, there will be tomorrow.

Thanks Sudumalli for answering my question.

Leisure Dude

03-20-16, 12:11

Day 6:

The days are starting to become a blur I took a day off from the monger tour just to give my cock a rest, some of these ladies beat the hell out of it trying to give you a hand job.

Day 7:

Woke up and had breakfast and today is laundry day, I remember seeing a sign on my first day into Pattaya on Beach Road. So I set off to find it, I ended up walking all the way to Soi 1 from Soi 13 with a laundry bag over my shoulder and sweeting but I found one. Took my first motorbike taxi ride back to the hotel it was pretty awesome to ride down Beach Road with the wind in your face checking out the sights.

Went to the movie which I online but forgot to write down the address or the Soi it was near, I thought the motorbike driver would know of this theater was. So the motorbike driver dropped me off at Soi 6 and I needed to walk back to Soi 9 to the Central Festival Mall. Wow what a huge mall, six floors high and loads of shops and restaurants too check out later. There was an announcement to rise for the King's anthem.

After the movie I walked Rasputin massage and on the way two-tour buses past me in this little alleyway an Asian tour group disembark to a lady boy show. I reached Rasputin and turned left into fishbowl area, I didn't find any of the ladies attractive to choose from.

Walked back to the main road and down to Sabai Room, walked into this place and was immediately greeted by a Papa-son telling me my options about the ladies. This place had a better line up than Rasputin; there were a couple of ladies to busy with their hand phones and some waving to catch my attention. I saw a very cute girl who looked like a girl I know from back home, she was sitting next to a lady waving trying to suggest I should take the two of them together. But I choose number 203; this beautiful lady looked Chinese with a wonderful almond shape typeface. She came down and the Papa-son said "great choice you should tip me for that". In my mind I'm thinking you did jack except for writing up the slip. The three of us walked to the cashier and I paid 2,000 bth.

We walked to the elevator where another couple was waiting to head up to the rooms, I would have not chosen her but everyone eye of beauty is different. I introduced myself and found out #203 was Nanh, just like my friend back home who I would love to fuck. Nanh hollered down the hall for the attendant to find out which room to use, she got an answer and we talked into a room and seconds later the attendant showed up with Nanh's toolbox. A pink plastic handle basket with her number on it with all of her soaps, lotions, tissues and condoms Nanh got the water going while I got undressed. She told me to lie down on the bed, Nanh stripped down. Nanh placed a towel over my feet and started with a body massage with the towel over my body while the tub filled. By the time Nanh finished my back it was bath time, she washed me all over I like the soapy best of all. Next was the air mattress for more soapy time and that wonderful scissors thing that they do sliding all over your body! We showered off and turned back to the bed for the finally, we hit all the standard positions HJ, CBJ, cowgirl, miss and doggie she would not let me dine at the why but all was still good. Nanh had no tattoos, no stretch marks just prefect see / the size boobs with chocolate nipples. Once we were all done and dressed she walked me down stairs I tripped her 200 bth, as I walked out I saw the Papa-son he had a big smile, so I tipped him 20 bth his smile turned to a frown.

After that I made my way down to Walking Street for some Go-go time. I made my way up & down the street until I popped into Living Dolls 1, for my first Go-go experience. My thoughts going into this were I'm not going bar fine anyone just after a very good soapy but just too check out the scene. I was shown a seat right in front of the stage. There were two dancers talking with each other as I ordered a beer the dancer closest to me turned to me and introduced herself which I could not hear over the music let's call her D1, I ask if she would like a drink. Once our drinks came we moved to a table on the left hand sidewall. After toasting D1 starts grinding her ass into my crotch so I grab that ass while she's was doing that for a bit. D1 turns and straddle me and gives me a peck on the lips, next thing I know she pops out a nipple before going off to dance. This gives me a chance to check out the place because D1 was all over me like I'm not used to. Back home at the strip clubs the dancers barely grind on you and no touching what so ever. So I take in the scene and most of the girls on the stage are fully dressed there's one who is topless until this big boob dancer gets on the stage and takes off her bikini top and bottom off to expose her tattoos and shaved pussy, she looked pretty good.

D1 returns still fully dressed after about 1 minute and start grinding on me all over and calls another dancer over (let's call her D2). D1 introduces D2 her as her cousin, D2 is cute and just as wild as D1, I ordered another round of drinks for these too. D1 is once again grinding into my crotch while D2 places my hand on the bench and them sits on it. I begin to pock at her pussy and trying to get it under her shorts and panties with no luck. At this point a Mama-son made her way over to me and started saying something, I think she wanted to know if I would be bar fining either of these two. I could not hear her or was too distracted by these two over me. She went away after a few seconds later and I think it's time for me to get out of there before all my money is gone, knowing I was not going to bar fine anyone tonight!

Sixty Two Echo

03-20-16, 13:23

Got to the Beach around 4:30 pm and started walking. Wasn't long that I met a 30 year old with an ear to ear smile. I pull up and we talk for a bit. I price her and she says 800 baht. I ask for a discount and she says 800 baht. I ask for an old man discount, she laughs and says 700 baht. Bingo! We work out the details and off we go. Get to the room and had a great time. She was playful and a lot of fun. After, I gave her the 700 and a 100 baht tip. She asked if I would drop her at My Plaza. I said where. She said at My Shopping Mall, near soi 10. I asked, do you mean Mike Plaza. She piped up and said yes, MIKE Plaza. She actually said it very well that last time. I said, ah, I understand now. She, just like some other folks just got a little lazy with her pronunciation. It happens, no big deal. Dropped her at the Mike Plaza and she gives me a big kiss and a smile and thanked me. And off she went. Welcome to Pattaya!

I need that after a lame night last night.

ShinShin

03-20-16, 16:30

I spent 2 nights in Pattaya for a transit flight in Bangkok several weeks ago. I went to a few gogo bars, and found out the overall fee is getting really ridiculous, average 3 K+ for a ST, the overall level also was getting worse every now and then I came to town. Could not find anyone worth pay bar this trip. But this trip I found a quite sexy African lady.

I found her sitting with another girl in some Thai food place near beach near soi 7, at first I thought she was tourist, but she gave me a big smile. We started talking and she tried to make me take both with her friend, but her friend was too chubby for my taste. She offered her to me for 2500ST, I have no idea how much she is worth because she is slender and young no baby and nice thick lips for BJ, I remember I took African lady before in Sukumvit and they asked me for 1500, so this one was young and slender so 2000 should be about right, but she was quite firm, but she offered again 2500 include a she called special African blow job, I had no idea what that was at first.

I gave in I was quite excited to put my stick in her thick lips. My hotel was kind of far from beach, she took me to a ST hotel in Soi 6, really bad room for 300, she was nice she said she cover the room cost so I just give her 2200, it was a good start.

She said her name was Maika, from Zambia, age 23, has been around quite a few places, she has been to HK, Macao, Japan, Netherlands, Germany, France ect showed me fotos on her phone, said her next stop will be Netherlands again, she said she could make most money there, Thailand is just a stop over. She gave me a really good blow, her so called special African BJ is like using tongue sucking and using her fingers at same time on the cock opening to get double stimulation, it was quite good, I blew it quite quickly, but a little disappointment was no CIM, she said she hates the after taste, she gave me another blow and expected me to screw her, but I did not get hard again, aging has caught up to me.

She did not allow any foto, said all men share fotos on internet, she is smart.

The next day, I saw another quite sexy African lady sitting with another two friends at a sea food place on beach road, I went to chat but she said she was waiting for a customer to come join her dinner, so that was it.

There seems to be more younger nicer African ladies passing through Pattaya?

Aabbaadd

03-21-16, 00:18

Work out the details (forgot to mention photo shoot). Walked over to the motor bike, at first she didn't want to wear her helmet. I insisted. She sports the safety gear and off we go. Come up Pattaya Thai and make the turn at Tony's Gym and continue up the street. Right into a police check point. They wave us thru and I stop at the hotel. My girl asked why they didn't stop us. I said because we both wore helmets. Get to the room, pull out the camera and she freaks out. Poor thing is acting like I pulled out an axe. I put away the camera, calm her down and told her it was ok and everything will be alright. Walked her to the door, motioned for her to exit, she steps into the door way and I give her 100 baht for taxi back to the beach. Yeah, I know. I should have ran the photos by her at the beach while talking shop. I have slipped on that one a couple of times now, but all of the girls so far agreed. 22 said yes to photos this trip and one girl said no.

Oh yeah, thanks Mr. Enternational!Do you ever take video as well? I would like to do that once but I don't speak Thai so it would be difficult to arrange. When you work out your ST for 800 baht is that usually 1 shot /30 minutes or what is the standard for that? You and Leisure Dude have left some nice reports.

Thanks.

Xplorer007

03-21-16, 05:50

After a absence of just over a year I have returned to Pattaya. Looks like the Russians are taking over walking street, there used to be only on Russian club back in the days but there's a few now.

Attitude of girls is not the same as it used to be ofcourse every girl is not the same I'm comparing it to my previous trips.

I picked up a girl from Walking street and took her to my hotel just off walking street she seemed fine when negotiating but her attitude changed once in the room! Nothing special!! Damage 1000 baht short time.

Had a Russian / Uzbek approach me asking 1500 baht for short time I refused politely and said I'm here for Thai girls!

I've picked up 2 girls from beach road and would say that the level of service from the girls from beach road is far better than the ones from Gogo bars and Walking street. That's only my view based on my experiences!

One cutie I picked up from beach road was called Noi 22 years of age been in the game for 5 months originally from Bankok huge tits, really good GFE experience agreed a price of 700 bht uncovered BJ really knew how to use her tongue she even licked my backside too LOL. Actually that turned me on more! Total damage 700+100 tip. Great session.

The Hunt continues.

Sixty Two Echo

03-21-16, 08:27

Went to the Cafe on Beach Road and Soi 10 about 10 pm. Had three beers, wasn't feeling it. I messaged my massage girl to see if she wanted some company. She said yes. Picked her up and took her to Walking Street. Doh, I didn't look at the name of the Club near the entrance of walking street. It's the Club that has the Thai Bands. Anyway, we had a couple of drinks, she's dancing her little butt off. At one point she goes to the toilet. Two girls sitting near by noticed I was alone and motioned if I want them to join me. I held up my beer and my dates glass. They caught onto what I was saying and that was the end of that. Makes you feel good to know you're wanted. We left at 2:30 am and went back to the hotel room. My massage girl likes to play cowgirl and ride me. And that's all she wrote.

Thanks Aabbaadd! No, I don't shoot videos. My understanding is porn is illegal in Thailand. I don't shoot anything with penetration either. It usually takes 2 hours or close to it for short time. You figure, negotiate the deal, the ride to the hotel, shoot photos (5 minutes), clean up, get down, clean up and drop them off at the beach. Yeah, it's closer to 2 hours most times. Sometimes the girls are in no rush to leave, so we chit chat for a while. Of the 23 girls I have had on this trip so far, only one I recall was worried about the time. But we had fooled around quiet a bit. And she had only mentioned it and wasn't making a big deal about it.

Mogwai

03-21-16, 09:51

Woke up and had breakfast and today is laundry day, I remember seeing a sign on my first day into Pattaya on Beach Road. So I set off to find it, I ended up walking all the way to Soi 1 from Soi 13 with a laundry bag over my shoulder and sweeting but I found one. LOL! Next time just walk into one of the soi's. I think there's a laundry in almost every soi. Actually there's one in Soi 13 where you started walking, opposite the Dynasty Inn Hotel, close to Second Road. But that one uses way too much washing powder to my taste. The laundry in Soi 12, not far from the Lek hotel, is better.

Allover

03-21-16, 16:59

LOL! Next time just walk into one of the soi's. I think there's a laundry in almost every soi. Actually there's one in Soi 13 where you started walking, opposite the Dynasty Inn Hotel, close to Second Road. But that one uses way too much washing powder to my taste. The laundry in Soi 12, not far from the Lek hotel, is better.Mogwai mentioned one laundry opposite Dynasty. There is another one on the same soi that I have used for a long time. From Dynasty or Whitehouse walk down Soi 13 towards Beach Road. On the left side of the street you will see Sportsmans Pub. At that pub you will see an entrance leading inside the building housing the pub. It is near the Das Berliner sign. Walk inside and there is a laundry behind Sportsman. They are slighter cheaper than the one across from Dynasty Inn but the price difference is small. They are both good choices for inexpensive laundry services.

Sixty Two Echo

03-21-16, 17:52

Didn't go to my usual watering hole this evening. Instead I parked at Soi 13/4 or so and walk up the Beach Road. Came across a cute young thing and stopped and said Hello,. Not the warmest reception. Talked for a few minutes and it was obvious this girl was all about the money. Priced her all the same. 1000 baht short time. I had zero vibe with this girl so I walked. She never did crack a smile. My experience is, if you don't feel it in the first few minutes, you probably won't (no matter how long / hard you try or how much money you dump). Kept walking and it wasn't long before I hit another cutie. Stopped, said Hello, chit chat, kind of a repeat from earlier. 1000 baht short time quote and no vibe. Kept on walking. Cutie with a big smile caught my eye. Stopped, talked for a few minutes. This one at least showed some interest. Big smile, got her laughing, quoted her and she said 1000 baht short time. Asked for discount, she said no. Asked for Pattaya discount and she said no. Asked for old man discount, she said she can not discount. Ok, thank you, and I walk.

Two minutes later I see and ear to ear smile locked onto me. I stop and say Hello,. This one is mid 30's, but typical Asian fashion, she aged well. She was very receptive, playful and happy. Asked how much and she said 1000 baht short time. I asked for discount and she said ok, 800 baht. Works for me. We talk more and I cover the job description. She agrees and off we go. Get to the room, photo shoot, shower. I actually followed her into the shower and she grabbed the shower head and started to wash me. This is the second time on this trip a girl washed me, and I kind of like it. Hop in the sack and have a great time. After, clean up, pay bills, drop her at the beach and grab a sandwich. Hung out on Beach Road for a few minutes and all the girls cross over to the shop side. OH oh, you know what that means, you guessed it, the police are driving the girls off of the Beach Walk again. Headed back to the hotel to rest for a few before heading out again later tonight.

Pute Nut

03-21-16, 17:55

Mogwai mentioned one laundry opposite Dynasty. There is another one on the same soi that I have used for a long time. From Dynasty or Whitehouse walk down Soi 13 towards Beach Road. On the left side of the street you will see Sportsmans Pub. At that pub you will see an entrance leading inside the building housing the pub. It is near the Das Berliner sign. Walk inside and there is a laundry behind Sportsman. They are slighter cheaper than the one across from Dynasty Inn but the price difference is small. They are both good choices for inexpensive laundry services.Can anyone point me to a laundry that charges by the kg at a reasonable rate (preferably not too far from soi 6)?

In the Philippines it's usually a smooth ride, with almost all laundry shops charging by the kilo, but in Pattaya I found that most if not all shops do the by piece thing, and at high rates. I don't see why laundry services should cost that much more to provide in TH (I assume energy, water and detergents are tad cheaper in TH and Thai lavanderas slightly more expensive than pinays, just like in the full service sector).

Bearhug9

03-21-16, 20:43

Leisure Dude

03-21-16, 21:22

After breakfast decided to see what kinds of tours I should sign up for in the following days. I stopped by Julie cruise director her at the hotel (am I showing my age? After speaking with the tour lady there were about four things that looked good to me first off was a tour of the Sanctuary of Truth the second reason I came the Pattaya beside the ladies, tiger zoo a chance to pet a baby and full grown tiger, parasailing and zip lining. I signed up for the Sanctuary of Truth for later today at 3:00 pm and the tiger zoo for tomorrow at 3:30 pm.

So I just hung around the hotel pool area my laptop. Walk to Mike's Mall for some gift for the folks back home. Saw some interesting sights while there seeing old guys trying on shirt and pants in the middle of the mall not in the shops off the main concourse but in the middle of the concourse seeing a guy in his tight-whites is something you don't see that back in the States!

Came back to the hotel to get ready for the excursion to the Sanctuary of Truth, met my drive in front of the hotel. He was a nice guy drove me there got me all checked in. Walked down the wooden stairs, one the attendants said the show has already started. There was some ladies doing traditional Thai dancing followed by some Thai martial arts with weapons it was pretty entertaining. After the show I walked around and inside the Sanctuary, which was truly beautiful.

On the way back to the hotel I ask the driver to stop at Soi 1 so I could pick up my laundry he said no problem but the Music festival had started and Beach road was blocked off to traffic so I would have to walk the final distance to the Soi. I ended running / walking to pick up my laundry and I got a blister on my big toe from running in flip-flops!

Jumped into the shower after my little run before heading off to Devil's Den for a little two-girl action. Check the location on the laptop and draw a map and wrote down the address this time making sure I didn't get lost. It was a short walk from the hotel, walked in and was greeted by Papa-son Dave. He ask if I know that they do there and I said "yes, I was just on the website"! He explained the rule of the line-up before inviting the ladies in for my review. There were a fair amount of ladies to choose from, the ones on the right side didn't interest me, though I was hoping for some A plus service. I choose two from the left side, first was Jen a short small chested dark skin lady and Gwen a fairly tall, light skin lady. I was hoping they would work well together. Most of the reports I had read about this place mostly say make your first pick and let that lady pick someone she works well with. But in the moment I forgot this. I paid 4,000 bth total for the two ladies and we walked up stairs. Jen strip down first and got into the shower first and I followed her while Gwen got things ready. Jen showered me down and cleaned me up, I walked out and Gwen handed me a towel while she went into the shower. Jen and I started off with a HJ and CBJ, while she was doing that Gwen started a porn that was on a short loop on the TV. I liked Jen she was doing all the right moves for me. Jen and Gwen switched potions and Jen started kissing my chest and me. Gwen hopped on for some CG and we went through a few positions before changing condom and ladies. I went back through the same positions this time with Jen and popping with her, we played around for the full 90 minutes. The three of us showered off got dressed and I tip the ladies 200 bth each for a good job in my eyes, we walked back down stairs were Dave greeted me again and asked if I had a great time. Which I did, the girls spent there time playing with me and not each other, which I know before going into the shop. I think it would be nice if they did play with each other as well, maybe I should have asked but still I had a great time with the ladies.

Levitian

03-22-16, 04:33

Crocodilexp

03-22-16, 04:39

I will arrive tomorrow morning, at around 3 am at my hotel on Beach road.

Is there still any action worth to consider at that time, or shall I better go to bed and save my energy for the next day?
There are still some stragglers around Beach Road, Walking Street, and Soi Buakao.

If you're tired, you may well sleep, but if you're not, you'll sure find someone for a late short time.

Leisure Dude

03-22-16, 05:12

How14

03-22-16, 09:02

This will be my first time visit to Pattaya.

I will arrive tomorrow morning, at around 3 am at my hotel on Beach road.

Is there still any action worth to consider at that time, or shall I better go to bed and save my energy for the next day?

Thanks in advance for any recommendation.

Lev.Best go to bed Lev, its low season now, save your energy, my advice to you is go to a gentleman club called Kinnaree place in jomtien, you will not regret your choice.

Mogwai

03-22-16, 09:04

Can anyone point me to a laundry that charges by the kg at a reasonable rate (preferably not too far from soi 6)?I don't know if there are any laundries that charge by the kg but maybe you can find a cheap(er) one east from Second Road.
Laundries between Beach Road and Second Road are usually more expensive I think.

Sixty Two Echo

03-22-16, 15:24

Went to Walking Street at 1 am. Walked up and down, stopping at 7/11 for a beer. About 2:30 I stopped and watched six girls out in front of The Marine Disco. One of them was getting a lot of attention. The first guy that talked to her asked for a price because I seen her gesture 1500 baht with her hands. The guy took off shortly after. The next guy, minutes later, priced her too. I saw her hand gestures again. Same same, 1500 baht. He looked like he was bartering with her, but she wasn't having it. He walked. The other girls split. Another minute goes by and another man walks up to her. Again, I see the hand gestures, 1500 baht. The guy hangs around and I see 2500 baht. He takes off too. I finished my beer and walked over to her and say Hello, and ask her name (in Thai). I get her to smile and giggle. So I priced her (in Thai), she asked short time or long time? I said short time. She said 1000 baht. Wow, knowing a handful of Thai phrases pays off. I told her I was watching her from across the street and that I saw her gesturing with her hands the prices. She told me she quoted 1500 baht short time and 2500 baht long time. I asked for a discount (in Thai). She laughed and said no. I asked for old man discount (in Thai), she laughed and said how much of a discount? I said 800 baht (in Thai). She laughed and said 900 baht short time. I wasn't even really interested in her, I just wanted to hear her story. I said thank you, nice to meet you (in Thai) and walked away. She smiled and said good bye.

Went over to Walking Street Disco (typical no cover). Now I remember why I like this place, very clean, music other then techno and no smoking. I stay for a beer and just like my last visit here the majority of the girls leave about the same time. It was almost 3 am. I think they must close around that time. So I head over to the Marine Disco and there are a few people there. I have a beer and walk around. Wasn't long before a woman comes up and is all over me. She wasn't doing it for me so I said no thank you. Walked around a little more and ran into a girl I had a couple of weeks earlier. Stopped and said Hi. Her and her friend were actually leaving. So I walked around a little more and ran into two girls at a table. Big smiles and dancing about. I struck up a conversation with the first one and things were going well. Shortly after meeting them, the first one takes off to the restroom. So I talk with her girlfriend. A guy shows up at the table and asks where the first girl is. The girlfriend said in the toilet. So when the first girl comes back, she starts talking with that guy. Both girls were cute and it seemed to me like the first one was handing me off to her girlfriend any way. So I went with the Switch-a-roo.

We dance and dance and dance. I look over and there is that first woman I said no thank you to standing right next to me on the dance floor (stalker alert). I told my girl lets have a seat. I priced her and see said 1000 baht. I asked for discount, she laughed and said no. I said yes, welcome to Pattaya. She said how much. I told her, Pattaya discount and old man discout, 700 baht. Yep, that lit the fire under her butt. And yes, I was joking with her the whole time. I said lets go and off we went. Get to the room and had a spectacular time. I don't usually let the girls stay over, but it was late and we were both tired. About noon she gets up and showers. I told her ok, 700 baht. She pipes up. I gave her 1000 baht and she said thank you, I go now. I offered her a ride, but she refused and said she will walk. Welcome to Pattaya!

Pute Nut

03-22-16, 20:22

I don't know if there are any laundries that charge by the kg but maybe you can find a cheap(er) one east from Second Road.
Laundries between Beach Road and Second Road are usually more expensive I think.Thanks Mogwai, I will try that!

Flying in from SFZ in only one week's time from now! Looking forward to some good rootings and reasonably priced laundry then. Cheers!

Old New Guy

03-22-16, 21:19

I also witnessed a foreigner getting a citation for driving the wrong way on a one way street.That must have been me! Oh no it can't be, that was six years ago. Since then I've collected many more tickets, and I've started with my very first time in Thailand.

Good reports, like the straight style and absence of showing off.

LaxinBuddy

03-23-16, 02:59

Sixty Two Echo

03-23-16, 10:30

Walked the Beach a little today. Then went for a one hour oil massage, 300 baht plus tip. That was around 3 pm. Later, that evening, went up and down the Beach walk pricing girls. 1000 baht and standing on that quote was the norm. Was able to talk a couple down to 800 baht, but ended up passing. Ran across a girl that was friends with a girl I kicked out of my room a couple days ago. Yes, she wasn't very happy. I told her to have a good day and continued my quest. Got all the way up to Soi Pattaya Klang and turned around. Didn't see anything that caught my attention. So, went to the room and rested. About 11 pm I text my massage girl and asked if she want to boom boom. She said yes so I picked her up and we fooled around. Dropped her at her apartment and gave her 500 baht for taxi / lunch / what ever tomorrow. She thanked me and off I went. Got to bed about 3 am.

Next morning, Wednesday, about 11 am I headed out and dropped of images for development. After I drove down soi 6 and saw a big smile. I stopped and struck up a conversation. I priced her and she said the bar fine at Lover's Lane was 300 baht and she was 1000 baht. I am leaving tomorrow and had things to take care of today so I didn't even think of bartering. Don't know that it would do any good, and I don't really care at this point. Get to room, photo shoot, clean up, get down, clean up, drop off. Great time, she was worth the couple of extra baht bar fine. Came back to room to rest a spell, but that was cut short. A group of Chinese came in last night and they were in the hallways smoking and being loud. WTF!? So I went over to a local sewing shop and had one of my bags altered, 80 baht. Then I picked up my laundry, 250 baht. Normally, my bill has been 195 baht. But today she upped the price. Oh well, I will consider it an exit tax.

Crocodilexp

03-23-16, 19:35

1) After / excluding the cost of travel to and from the country, can I have a good 10 day vacation for roughly 3,500 USD?

2) I'm going as a bachelor. Should I plan on paying for a new companion every night? Should I find a stunner early on and try to hang on to her as a tour guide?

3) What type of places should I look into staying? I plan on splitting time between Pattaya and Bangkok but maybe visiting the northern parts if feeling adventurous.

4) Do hotels mind me bringing girls back to them?
1) Yes, $350/ day is more than enough. Even half of that would be fine.

2) Get a feel for the scene and what you like first. If you find someone you have good chemistry with early on, you can keep her as long as you enjoy it (and she agrees). Otherwise, try various girls, there's plenty of fish in the sea. Don't really expect stunners, Thai girls in the prostitution industry, especially in Pattaya, are mostly fugly (compared to the girls you'd see around Bangkok in the daytime). If amazing looks are your #1 priority, maybe Pattaya (or Thailand in general) is not the best destination these days. However, the girls are plentiful, and there is never a need to keep someone you don't feel completely comfortable with, and that only if you do not prefer exploring. Thailand these days is not the same as 10 years ago, not sure how common the multiple-day "travel guide" arrangements are these days, most better looking girls are looking for short times. A spoiled, self-obsessed agogo hooker ("stunner") may not make the best travel guide or companion for that matter.

3) With your budget, you can stay anywhere you like. Do note that more expensive hotels are occasionally a bit more fussy about you bringing back girls (it's not a moral objection, they're just looking for a sizeable payoff, because they can). You'd rarely have trouble at midrange or low-end places.

4) Depends on the hotel. You can ask when you book / check in. Do remember that short time hotels are always an option (for 300 baht, so if your fancy hotel asks for much more than double that, tell them to f* off).

Do research the going rates, and don't overpay. Paradoxically, overpaying generally leads to same or worse service, never better. If a girl can make you pay 2-2 x the going rate, she'll often also think she can get away with half the customary service.

Sixty Two Echo

03-23-16, 19:37

Last night in Pattaya. Dropped off the motor bike. I have been to Pattaya four other times and this is the first time I rented a motor bike, I highly recommend it. Well worth the 1200 baht a week. After dropping of the bike I walked over to Central Festival for dinner. Still kind of early, so I watched a movie (140 baht). Walked the Beach towards the Hotel and spot a short cutie with a big smile. Stopped, struck up a conversation, talked shop and priced her. She said "how much do you pay me? I said "free!". She laughed and said no, really? I said it's Pattaya, 500 baht. She said ok, lets go. We jump on a motor taxi and off we go. 100 baht later we are at my hotel. Photo shoot, shower, hold up, stop the press. She was acting like a tweeker when I got out of the shower. Bad Dog! Oh well, lets see how this goes. As I expected, she couldn't stop moving. Tried and tried, it just wasn't working. Then she starts bucking up about time. That's it, time for somebody to leave. Gave her the 500 baht we agreed on and 50 baht for the motor taxi return. And she asked for a tip. I just smiled and said no. No finish, no tip. Off she went. So now I'm all packed and ready to go. My total guestimation is: $2900 US. Air fare, 26 days in Thailand, 27 girls (boom boom massage girl 4 or 5 time), hotel, motor bike, one hour oil massages (a few), photo development, food, beer (moderate drinker) , taxi's, buses, Sauna, one pedi cure (may I keep my man card), one mani cure (no really, I want to keep it), laundry (kind of pricy here) and anything else I may have not mentioned. Welcome to Pattaya!

Old New Guy

03-23-16, 20:44

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laundry (kind of pricy here) All good advice. What I do is take permanent press clothes if possible (I don't wear T-shirt, short pants and the like), wash and spin it at any token machine of which there are plenty, then have pressed what needs to be.

Another way is to hand the stuff to the maid, together with the money that is right to pay. E. g. 300 Bt. For a full bag and pressing. That is near to what she makes in a day, so unlikely to refuse.

FL Hawk

03-23-16, 21:11

Hello all,

I plan on taking my first trip to Thailand for 10 days at the end of April. There is a lot of content to take in on this site, which I am slowly doing. Thanks to the regular contributors. I have a few questions about my upcoming trip and would be very appreciative with any help you guys could provide. I'm a 25 year old engineer from the USA.

1) After / excluding the cost of travel to and from the country, can I have a good 10 day vacation for roughly 3,500 USD?
Heck yes! That should be plenty. This is the off season so hotels are cheap. Book on Agoda if you haven't already. I will be there end of April, first part of May, and decent, lady friendly hotels can be had for $40-$45 per night. You can find cheaper and you can find much more expensive. For the girls, figure around $25 per WS or BR freelancers, $50 per Soi 6 girl, and $100 to up to $160 per gogo girl. For gogo's, you need to factor in ST or LT, and how much you drink. Drinks can add up! Food can be cheap, or it can be as expensive as it is in the USA, depending on what you want to eat. But for sure, you can take a FL in the afternoon, a Soi 6'er in the evening, and a gogo girl in the night for under around $200/ day. That leaves a bunch for food, drinks, transportation, etc.

2) I'm going as a bachelor. Should I plan on paying for a new companion every night? Should I find a stunner early on and try to hang on to her as a tour guide?
Well, you are expected to pay at the conclusion of services for FL girls, and often in advance for gogo girls. I agree, stunners will unlikely want to hang with you unless possibly you pay them a lot! Some of the normal looking girls, but still cute, may be happy to stay with you for a reasonable fee. I had one random cutie pick me out of the crowd and announce she wanted to stay with me to rest of the trip. I am in this more for quality and variety than companionship, so I declined. You need to know in advance what you goals for girls are. Are you going to go for the gogo hotties and try to get in one per day, or do you want to concentrate more on quantity. I like to find the cute but cheap ones during the day (BR FL and Soil 6), then try to find the real lookers at night. Don't get me wrong, many of the FL girls and Soi 6 girls are quite cute, though many more are dogs. I have contemplated a day time GF to hang with, but they can get jealous I have heard, so be careful. What do you want?

3) What type of places should I look into staying? I plan on splitting time between Pattaya and Bangkok but maybe visiting the northern parts if feeling adventurous.
Don't try to do too much! Each place is different and it takes a few days to get the lay of the land and to figure out how things work. Bangkok is very complicated! I would actually recommend you head down to Phuket for 4 days and learn the ropes there. Stay at a hotel near Patong and Bangla Road to be near the action. Take a tour or two. Visit a MP during the day and enjoy BR at night. It can prepare you for the madness of Pattaya. I like to stay at Dynasty Inn and Sandy Spring on Soi 13 in Pattaya. Decent, but inexpensive hotels, in the center of the action.

Any advice you gentleman give this fellow looking to have a great time is appreciated. I have been traveling pretty much non stop for work for the last 22 weeks and am in desperate need of good are&are. Really looking to make this the vacation of a lifetime.
Look at this as the first of several trips to the LOS! Read the the forums for the past year. Maybe check out mine from last April / May and November / Dec, where I chronicle my own adventures as a newbie. Figure out what kinds of adventures you want and concentrate on those. Ask us any specific questions you have.

Myrrh

03-24-16, 00:01

Walked the Beach towards the Hotel and spot a short cutie with a big smile. Stopped, struck up a conversation, talked shop and priced her. She said "how much do you pay me? I said "free!". She laughed and said no, really? I said it's Pattaya. Sixty Two Echo's remarkable reports have been hugely entertaining but have also served to confirm to me why Pattaya (Bangkok and other Thailand places) are just no longer worth bothering about.

After many years of regular visits to Pattaya / Bangkok I finally called time, permanently, on Thailand just over a year ago. 62 echo's report have confirmed to me why this decision was not just the right one, but a very much overdue one.

I have never chosen a girl from Beach road. These women are really the lowest of the low and every man has his limits which he won't sink to. These girls really have no choice except stand out in the midday sun or dodge police patrols at night because they have absolutely nowhere else to go. It was not just so long ago that girls on Beach road were all grateful for 500 baht short time and it was a question of, assuming you were into this kind of thing, just walking the beach walk and after being bombarded by scores of women begging for you to go with them for 500 baht that eventually you gave in and just give one a chance.

Now they give you the 1000 baht short time pitch. Take it or leave it.

As for the freelancers who visit the nightclubs and bars around Walking street, 1000 baht long time for many, many, many years was the absolute gold standard. Occasionally some would ask for 1000, five (1500) and you would give in if you really liked them. Now 1500 seems to be the starting point for short time for these type of girls.

With regards to go go girls, they jumped their prices from 1000/2000 (ST / LT) just a few years ago to 1500/2500 and then to 2000/3000+ very quickly after that. So they were never value for money at any stage.

However, now it seems that some are asking for 3000 baht short time and that is before you pay the bar fine fee of 1000 baht+ plus numerous lady drinks at 150 to 200 baht+. Next stop?, paying a door fee to enter go go bars and minimum spends once you go there?

The rationale for spending the best part of 1000 pounds / euros / dollars on a flight to Thailand was that once you got there the other costs, food, hotels, drinks, women were far cheaper than in the West so in the end you made a vast saving overall.

But this is clearly not the case anymore as prices for women, at least for short time, are actually the same or even cheaper in the West. This is despite the fact that you get a wider variety of different nationality girls to choose from in the West. Plus the fact that you will find it difficult to find any go go bar girls willing to do long time anymore; girls often trying to turn long time into short time once they get to the room; or turning shy / not willing to deliver what they promised when you were in the bar.

So, no more of this nonsense for me. I am getting my dick wet for cheaper elsewhere.

Like Mr T, I am no longer willing to get on that plane.

NickPardesi

03-24-16, 00:06

Old New Guy

03-24-16, 01:56

Sixty Two Echo's remarkable reports have been hugely entertaining but have also served to confirm to me why Pattaya (Bangkok and other Thailand places) are just no longer worth bothering about.

After many years of regular visits to Pattaya / Bangkok I finally called time, permanently, on Thailand just over a year ago. 62 echo's report have confirmed to me why this decision was not just the right one, but a very much overdue one.
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So, no more of this nonsense for me. I am getting my dick wet for cheaper elsewhere.
The problem is, where? I've been to many places in the wrold, even certainly not all, and Thailand is still hard to beat for a single man.

Remaining in the regionin, you could say Philippines (which I still have to visit), but being honest is not like bad food, an overtly chauvinistic and violent culture plus the hypocrisies of Catholicism do attract me very much.

I think that what one gets from Thailand largely depends on how one plays it. If the expectations are to get the same experience of 10 or 15 years ago, that's clearly impossible.

But when I tried and took the risks and cost associated with not acting like most Western men do in Thailand I was rewarded with a lot of fun, pleasure, and genuine feelings.

Even after everything has long ended, I do not regret a single thing, sometime it was about kicking out a girl in the middle of the night, sometime it was paying, without being asked, to reunite a mother with their children.

Of course that's doesn't mean you have to marry a bar girl, just that you have to look at things in perspective. You can't win all the time, and some wins are not counted in bangs per buck.

LaxinBuddy

03-24-16, 02:04

EihTooms

03-24-16, 03:26

As for the freelancers who visit the nightclubs and bars around Walking street, 1000 baht long time for many, many, many years was the absolute gold standard. Occasionally some would ask for 1000, five (1500) and you would give in if you really liked them. Now 1500 seems to be the starting point for short time for these type of girls.

With regards to go go girls, they jumped their prices from 1000/2000 (ST / LT) just a few years ago to 1500/2500 and then to 2000/3000+ very quickly after that. So they were never value for money at any stage.
You make some interesting points. When I went to this site

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/thailand/inflation-cpi

and clicked on "MAX" for the chart, I see there were three notable spikes in the rate of inflation in Thailand since the late 1970's, the most recent one being in 2008. I wonder if any of the price increases after "many, many, many years" that you mentioned were related to those spikes in the cost of living in Thailand more than anything else.

Since you did mention "value for money" as at least one factor regarding the go-go girl experience (or lack of it), would you say a decline in quality of service or "value for money" is also a major contributing factor for you in now deciding that the costs related to traveling to Thailand isn't worth it? I mean, I assume if your world was still being rocked by the ministrations of sexual pleasure by girls as hot as you remember them from a decade or more ago, you might not be noticing or caring so much about a 50% increase in what was probably a long overdue price increase since then anyway, right? That would improve your view of "value for money", no?

I am a believer that the reason punters, especially holiday punters vs expat residents of Thailand, will now sit uncommitted for hours in go-go bars or cruise the streets of Bangkok / Pattaya without choosing a girl for a romp has little to do with the cost or price increases that many of them are not even aware of, not having been here for the before and after, that is. It really isn't prohibitively expensive. UNLESS you factor in the quality of service /"value for money" element and that quality is more likely than not to be sorely lacking.

It is my belief that the reason many punters are reluctant to just point to the cutest or prettiest girl in the room or on the soi to walk off into the sunset with these days (as well as flying away after their holiday is over and not bothering to return any time soon) is almost exclusively about what a lousy romp or hassle they very well might have to field with their girl of choice, a gun-shy hesitancy, and an understandable one imo, that might be founded on as little as two previous encounters that turned into a grinding, annoying, lackluster or downright confrontational experience in the room after a deal was struck.

Anything to that for you as well?

Redfield10

03-24-16, 03:48

When someone writes "She had a lousy attitude. She quoted 1000 baht short time", that's telling me it was the price that was the reason he walked away. I'm betting the "lousy attitude" was based on her not wanting to accept less than 1000. So he passed on a "very good looking young spinner" to go with a "thicker girl for 700 baht". Very good looking young spinners are hard to come by on beach road, I found one on my last trip and happily paid her 1000 baht. My point is 300 baht can easily be recouped by cutting out a few overpriced beers, walk into a 7-11 and crack a beer before going into a bar, this was my routine pretty much everywhere I went. Before walking into a bar with no draft specials I'd stop into a store for a cheap beer to chug down to keep me from chugging down expensive beers in the bars.Yeah, can't believe how cheap some of the folks are on here. I guess they are poor. Poor usually means other things, too, so not a mystery why the girls are turning them down, or they think the girls have attitudes, etc. Some are quibbling between 600 baht and 800 baht. 6 bucks? Give me a break. Maybe you shouldn't be mongering.

Mr Enternational

03-24-16, 04:15

Another way is to hand the stuff to the maid, together with the money that is right to pay. E. g. 300 Bt. For a full bag and pressing. That is near to what she makes in a day, so unlikely to refuse.When I used to stay at Sanya Apartments the maid would do exactly that. I ended up going to some chick's place and what did I see? All of MY clothes hanging outside to dry. I guess I found where that maid lives.

Leisure Dude

03-24-16, 05:24

Started the day off today with an excursion to the tiger zoo a mini van with the tiger zoo logo on it stopped for me, I got in and there was a couple already in the mini van. I slapped on my seat belt remembering that movie line from the "Hangover 2" most people are killed in roadway accidents in Thailand I think that's how it goes. On the way to the zoo I thought I would catch some zees a few minutes into my nap the mini van is breaking real hard and I thinking I'm glad I'm wearing my seatbelt we didn't hit anything.

We got to the zoo and the mini van driver walks us over to the box office and two girls start placing stickers on us and gave us the low down on the zoo. I caught all three shows 1. Tiger 2. Crocodile 3. Elephant. The main reason I came to the zoo in the first place was a photo with a tiger, which I got. The tiger show was similar to the Gunther Gebel (another old reference) grabbed a nice seat right in front of the arena. The place was nice and empty then the floodgates broke and the other tour groups rushed in filling the stands! The show was pretty good but Gunther Gebel was better.

The crocodile show just down the walkway and I didn't get there fast enough because the stands were all filled, so grabbed a seat near the top. The show started with a boy and girl in there 20's pulled the crocodiles around the stage area. They started placed there hand and heads inside the mouths of the crocodile! After the show you could have your photo taken while sitting on the back of the crocodile, I jumped at that boy! Even though I was near one of the last people to level the crocodile show I was early for the elephant show.

Got into the shower after getting back to the room, to wash off the zoo trip sweat and to get ready for another soapy trip this time to Honey 2. Hailed a motorbike taxi down and set off to Soi 3 for tonight's fun, walked past some four guys sitting out front and into the fishbowl area and there were quite a few guys just checking out the ladies in the fishbowl. One of the Papa-son showed me to a couch and pointed out the price range starting 2,000 to 2,500 and 3,000 bth for the models if I remember correctly. Honey 2 had the most amount of ladies in a fishbowl that I had seen in Pattaya so far all shape and sizes. There was one lady in the back row really trying to get my attention out of all of the ladies there. She did not hit any of the check boxes that I usually look for in choosing a lady. I told Papa-son I would take her, and he called her down and we walked over to the cashier were I paid 2,000 bth house fee. I met #410 at the elevator and we made introduction and her name was something like "Tuk" there was more syllables too it but I couldn't get my tongue around all of it so Tuk it was. We entered an empty room and Tuk turned on the air con, TV and started the water in the tub. In walked an attendant and waiter, the attendant dropped off Tuk toolbox and the waiter took our drink order, I just got water and Tuk got a Fanta. Tuk unlocked her toolbox and pulled out all the bath soups, scrub brushes and etc. The waiter came back moments later with two glasses of ice and our drinks, I paid him for the drinks and he asked for a tip, which I was going to tip but just needed a second to take my change back from the drinks before handing him a 20 bth tip.

Tuk got under dressed and placed her hands over her boobs and said she had small boobs, in her dress they looked like see / the size out of the dress they were be size all natural which is nice. I think those padded push-up bras do an unbelievable job! Tuk helped me out of my clothes and placed them on wall hooks. We laid down on the bed and started talking while watching some of the Pattaya Music Festival on TV. Some moments later Tuk looked over at the tub and said okay it's bath time, we got in and the water was not as hot as I would have like it but still okay. Tuk washed me all over; when she did my arms she made shore to place my hands on her boobs for safekeeping. She pulled out a small brush and brushed my toes and made sure to get in between each toe. When she washed my back she made sure we were facing in a bear type hug while she did this. Her washing technique was so far the best on this trip. Onto the air mattress for the body-to-body slide she did the same as the rest of the ladies, but it seemed so much more sensual than the rest. On the bed Tuk knows what she is doing with no doubt, she ran through the usual position and acts too please.

After we finished on the bed we showering off and Tuk said she had a big belly from drinking to much beer with her friends. I dried off and got dressed while Tuk packed up her toolbox and bundled all the used towels. She said I was a good man because I folded my towel after using it, I told her that's how I was raised! I tipped her 200 bth and we headed for the elevator but on the way we past a storage room with all the other ladies toolboxes stack inside maybe for just that floor or the whole place but it was quite a few. The elevator was quite full with other customers and ladies and some other staff we parted with a hug just to the side of the fishbowl.

I talked back down Beach Road taking in the Music Festival; I stopped at the Reggie stage and took in this Thai ska band, which was pretty good along with the band on the main stage. I grab some food from the street vendors it was great, continued to Walking street to taking in the sights before heading back to the hotel for a good nights sleep.

Beno69

03-24-16, 06:02

...I have never chosen a girl from Beach road. These women are really the lowest of the low and every man has his limits which he won't sink to...

...But this is clearly not the case anymore as prices for women, at least for short time, are actually the same or even cheaper in the West.

Very long text. With no real information! And very misleading.
1. many Girls on Beach Road make ST for about 700 THB. Before they start work in the GoGo -> ST 2000 THB.
2. prices are absolutely OK, if you compare with the living cost! Beach Road starts at ST 400 THB to max. 1000 THB (for African Girl) - with high cost of plain / Police tee money etc.

How14

03-24-16, 08:14

Hello bro.

I'll be in Patts from 24 March for 5 days.

This is my second time, could you please recommend me some best place for pool parties and gentlemen's club.

It would be of great help.

Thanks in advance.Probably the best gents club you can go to is Kinnaree place, its off Soi 4 jomtien, there you will find nice relaxed club, 20/30 girls at any one time, nice relaxed surroundings, good music, bob Dylan / eagles / Hendrix etc, you can sit in the lounge with a drink and take in the atmosphere, girls are 1000 bht, and the room is 350 bht, its mainly a daytime venue, it closes at 9 pm, get there for about 3 pm, as some of the best, younger girls go home 6/7 pm. There is also a buffet on 2 days a week, when there is a buffet on, check your bill, because even if you don't have anything to eat the price of a buffet will be on your bill, so you have to check that and tell the waiter " no food" its pretty sneaky how they do it, because if your drunk and when you come to pay later you might just overlook that. Enjoy Kinnaree.

How14

03-24-16, 08:22

Thanks FL Hawk and Crocodilexp.

I have narrowed my lists of hotels down to 4 in each of the 3 cities I plan on visiting. Starting in Phuket, then Pattaya and BKK. I figure I will inquire about those in the hotel threads. Is that a good number to begin narrowing with?

Is everything I will find in these places pay for play? Going out to dance clubs and disco's is generally how I pick up girls my age in the states. Will being a young, decently attractive westerner only attract freelancers if I go out to these clubs or is there the chance of finding someone worth spending legitimate time with who will not require money for their time? More so a situation where I dote upon them and things flow more organically.

Thank you for the heads up about overpaying for service. I have spent enough time on these boards to understand that it doesn't benefit anyone.

How much of the language should I try to learn and how much will it benefit me?All places you have mentioned are rip off prices, your wasting your time looking for " the one" no such fucking thing here, you might find the odd girl for free, its possible, but you will have to pay, as for the language, forget it, I speak fluent Thai, and believe me, you wouldn't want to hear what these people say about us. Sorry to burst your bubble, times are not good here now, your about 10 years to late, its all greed, more money, etc etc. Take it for what it is.

JohnnyNeedsMor

03-24-16, 08:48

Guys,

I am an Indian arriving in April. Just Wanted to know how much cash to keep for visa on arrival. Will be traveling alone. I am hearing mixed amounts.

Michael Tours

03-24-16, 09:10

Old New Guy

03-24-16, 10:55

Anyone know about the Sapphire Club, walking street, they have a lot of good looking Girls, can you barfine anyone of them and what will the cost be for barfine, and for shortime? Would love to know, thanks, MT.Most club have strictly coyote girls which won't go. They will tell you very clearly which girl is a coyote and which is not. If you read any post in this page you will find what the current rates are. I do not think Sapphire is any different.

Old New Guy

03-24-16, 11:04

Is everything I will find in these places pay for play? Going out to dance clubs and disco's is generally how I pick up girls my age in the states. Will being a young, decently attractive westerner only attract freelancers if I go out to these clubs or is there the chance of finding someone worth spending legitimate time with who will not require money for their time?
More so a situation where I dote upon them and things flow more organically.With an attractive woman that you meet at the disco there is practically zero chances. If you want another way, try dating sites.

How much of the language should I try to learn and how much will it benefit me?How much you can learn depends on your natural disposition, anyone can have 10 polite words but that won't help in practice. Try with some video or free material and see how you go, but to be honest with you 99% of tourists drop the ball at 20 words.

Old New Guy

03-24-16, 11:06

Very long text. With no real information! And very misleading.
1. many Girls on Beach Road make ST for about 700 THB. Before they start work in the GoGo -> ST 2000 THB.There is to be said that on all girls working the street, maybe less than 10 also work at a club. Different styles, different choices.

Mumbai Guy

03-24-16, 11:43

Guys am an Indian arriving in April. Just Wanted to know how much cash to keep for visa on arrival. Will be travelling alone. I am hearing mixed amounts.You need 1000 Baht for Visa on Arrival. You can also download the form and fill it up before you arrive at the VOA counter at Suvarnabhumi airport.

LittleBigMan

03-24-16, 12:23

Anyone know about the Sapphire Club, walking street, they have a lot of good looking Girls, can you barfine anyone of them and what will the cost be for barfine, and for shortime? Would love to know, thanks, MT.Girl with two digit numbers are on Salary, general BF is 800, but there are very few of them these days. Three digit are are Agency girls BF, is 1000. Depending on the time of year and events the BF could be 1500 and reduce to 1000 after Midnight? It is best to ask before you even buy a drink whether they can be BF and how much they will not be offended. The price range varies with each girl, I been quoted 2000/3500 just for ST, 3000/5000 LT.

Old New Guy

03-24-16, 15:30

You need 1000 Baht for Visa on Arrival. You can also download the form and fill it up before you arrive at the VOA counter at Suvarnabhumi airport.That is just the fee for visa on arrival. There is also a requirement for having cash as means of subsistence, which is 10,000 Bt visa exempt, 20,000 with any visa type, including visa on arrival. Normally not asked unless Immigration needs a reason to deny entry.

Dinghy

03-24-16, 17:05

With an attractive woman that you meet at the disco there is practically zero chances. If you want another way, try dating sites.

How much you can learn depends on your natural disposition, anyone can have 10 polite words but that won't help in practice. Try with some video or free material and see how you go, but to be honest with you 99% of tourists drop the ball at 20 words.I do about 150 X that many but it is NOT enough to carry on a "real" conversation. PasaThai mai ngai (Thai language is not easy).

Old New Guy

03-24-16, 17:19

I do about 150 X that many but it is NOT enough to carry on a "real" conversation. PasaThai mai ngai (Thai language is not easy).Absolutely correct. Pasa Thai yak mak mak!

Socker

03-24-16, 17:41

Crocodilexp

03-24-16, 20:51

After many years of regular visits to Pattaya / Bangkok I finally called time, permanently, on Thailand just over a year ago...

So, no more of this nonsense for me. I am getting my dick wet for cheaper elsewhere.
Where, if I may ask?

Of course, the prices increased, but inflation is a fact of life. Over the last 5-10 years, food prices almost doubled, so no wonder pussy increased as well. The bigger problem is the availability and attitude / service. There are fewer girls, far worse looking, being far less pleasant to be around and doing less in bed (the semi-rushed minimal-service ST is increasingly the norm).

If prices are a concern, you can still find cheap (500 baht gets you laid if you dig deep and aren't picky), but huge selection and predominantly friendly, solid service are going away, and that can no longer be found even if you pay 5 x that much.

However, I don't know a place that's better, at least not in Asia. Philippines is a crime-ridden shithole, and AC has a far smaller selection than Pattaya. Indonesia is repressed (compared to the past) with venues often mafia-controlled, it doesn't have the free-wheeling spirit and places where affordable freelancers gather as Thailand does. Vietnam has good looks (and good prices if you know your way), but most hookers are looking out to scam you or provide crappy service if they can get away with it.

Thailand (both Pattaya and Bangkok) is depressingly shitty compared to 10 years ago. But unfortunately still better than all other places. I'd be happy to be wrong about this.

MusicalToM

03-24-16, 21:13

Lefeu

03-25-16, 01:15

My wingman and I just spent a week in Pattaya. On my first day, I did my usual slip'and'slide at Honey body massage. I lucked out as I picked a cutie and she turned out to be a sweet girl as well. I ended up seeing her 4/5 times, and I took her out on her day off. Unfortunately, her service was limited: covered BJ only, no kissing, no P2 P (private-to-private). The eye candy factor was strong enough though to make it worthwhile spending time with her.

Free Lancers (FLs): the FLs on Beach road have become my go to girls recently. Unfortunately, I struck out this time. My favorites from past trips were not available, and the current flock was nothing to write home about. In the evening there were close to 50/60 FLs, but I found only 4 or 5 to my liking. I used to find a lot more in the past. I ended up taking only 2 FLs from beach road on this trip. The price was 1 k baht for a session.

Also, the LBs (lady boys) were everywhere and I had some difficulty avoiding them. The line of demarcation between LB territory and female territory was blurred, or the LBs appear to be grabbing more space. The scene was not as much fun this time around.

I was pretty successful at the discos. I took a couple of girls from the WS disco. It gets going early, around 11:30 pm and that suits me fine, as I cannot stay too late. The prices are around 2 k Bahts for LT (long time).

I also ventured into the GoGo bars. It's always a fun way to start the evening. I noticed that Sensations did not have much eye candy this time around, compared to 4 months ago. What's Up was also a disappointment, as it is turning into "Asian Only". We walked in around 10:30 pm and noticed that the customers were close to 80% Asians of the preferred ethnicity. Worse, during the half hour we were there, we saw them kicking out other ethnicities (even white) to make room for a large group of Koreans. Those folks also behaved like they owned the place. We were sitting at the edge of the group and some of them were bumping into us and being loud. Eventually, they moved us to another area, and we left soon after we finished our drinks.

I liked Baccara, Skyfall, and Saphire. They had some decent lookers, eager for business, and the crowd was mixed and well balanced. I picked up a GoGo girl from Skyfall. I met her the first night and bought her a drink. She immediately initiated a barfine discussion. She wanted 2 k bahts for barfine and 4 K for ST (short time). After I declined, she upgraded her offer to LT (long time). I did not bite that night, but the next night, I was doing another tour of the GoGos and by midnight felt the urge to revisit that lady. I ended up barfining her, and I had a great time with her. I was also pleased that I did not end up spending a paycheck at that place, only one drink for her.

I also visited Kinnaree, 007, and the one right next to it. I had a session in each, and was pleased with the service / price combination. It was roughly 1 k for the session plus drinks, and a fee for the room in some cases.

I stayed at The Stay hotel the whole week on Soy 10, a nice hotel but the wifi sucked big time in my room on the 5th floor. I ended up using my iPhone Internet to connect at extra expense but a much better connection.

Overall, another fun trip. I saw the Korean singer, Psy, two nights in a row in GoGo bars. People were taking pictures with him. He was also generous as he was throwing big wads of baht bills on the dance floor. Someone mentioned that he was there for the Pattaya music festival, which was going on the same week.

FL Hawk

03-25-16, 01:16

Now after I'm back to my hometown she is in talk with me regularly and in one way or another she is just asking for money. If I consider the previous experiences of fellow mongers who faced a situation like this, I know that I'm not going to get anything out of it and she is just behind my money. But to be honest I'm in love with her and I want to take our relationship to next level if she agree with me.

After all these things I'm not sure what to do and I definitely don't want to send her money even if it's a real need for her, instead I want to meet her, her family and then may be I can think of something. You may say / consider me as a fool but I certainly don't want to lose this girl.

I don't have any clue what should be the correct step should I take and in a confused state of mind. I believe there are experienced people out here who can suggest / guide me with the best possible way of handling this situation.Tom, reread your report but try to pretend that you didn't write it, that someone else did. Now what kind of advice would you give them?

I have semi-fallen for a real Thai girl (never a bar girl and still a virgin at 40, though I hope to finally remedy that situation next month), and she never asks for money. When we communicate, we never speak of money. That is what you should be looking for. One who wants to see you because she wants to be with you, not because she wants money from you.

FreebieFan

03-25-16, 01:56

. , but instead asked me to prove myself that I love her in real. Upon asking her, what are the requirements to prove myself she told "You have to take care of me by sending money to me".

. .In Philippines the words love and expensive are basically the same. In some Asian context's, love and money are totally related. My advice, " Run Forest Run". You are just going to end up disappointed with yourself for giving in to her money needs.

Sammon

03-25-16, 02:00

It never ceases to amaze me how many so called mongers fall in head over heels for a bargirl. Love struck teenager wannabe looking for love in the wrong places. In my world I fall in love with girls for a short time only. Once I get a new pussy I fall in love again. So it goes.

In this case for all probability the family of Lao girl do not know she is sleeping around for money. Lao is more conservative than Thailand. Once this girl makes some money to support her family she is more likely will be married to a Lao guy and live near her home. For now she needs money. Even if the guy starts sending money it is unlikely the girl will stop being the bargirl. The girl has seen and been with many of his types. Even if his offer is genuine marriage prospects now and if her family and the girl accepts, there is no guarantee the guy will follow through in the long run. Once a monger will always will be a monger. Temptation of fucking new pussies will always be there.

My advice to the guy is if you feel generous send her money. Think of it as a donation. When you visit take her gifts and keep her if possible as your company. At least till you get tired of her.

Haven123

03-25-16, 02:37

I'm done with my 11 days vacation in Pattaya-BKK. Returned to my home just 2 days back. I had a great time in Pattaya for which I'll write a detailed report since it's going to take some time, I'm already working on composing it.

Before I post the report there is something interesting I want to share with you intelligent people so that I can get great suggestions from all of you.

In short here is what happened. In my first day I met this beautiful girl from Laos in iBar (I already have mentioned about her in few previous posts. A detailed report of her service will come up shortly). This girl is cute & gave me a real good service in my first night with her, a real GFE experience I would say.

In the first night itself I got addicted to her & end up calling her once again. Later she stayed with me for 4 continuous days and a lot of good & bad things happened between us (I'll write them up in my upcoming detailed report). In my entire trip I was with her all the time. We had a great time & she become kind of my GF.

To be honest I fell in love with her (that's what I feel), and asked her to come with me to my hometown for a vacation. Eventually she told me about her family in Laos and all other sort of stuff. I liked her even more. While we were staying together I gifted her a dress and we have planned for a Koh Samui / Phuket trip together.

Now when my vacation got over and I prepared to leave Pattaya she become kind of emotional & I asked her to come with me so that we can know each other better, thus we may decide where our relationship leads. But she denied politely, but instead asked me to prove myself that I love her in real. Upon asking her, what are the requirements to prove myself she told "You have to take care of me by sending money to me".

Hell yes, now I came to know about her intentions of getting money from me & I simple skipped or rather ignored that discussion.

Now after I'm back to my hometown she is in talk with me regularly and in one way or another she is just asking for money. If I consider the previous experiences of fellow mongers who faced a situation like this, I know that I'm not going to get anything out of it and she is just behind my money. But to be honest I'm in love with her and I want to take our relationship to next level if she agree with me.

After all these things I'm not sure what to do and I definitely don't want to send her money even if it's a real need for her, instead I want to meet her, her family and then may be I can think of something. You may say / consider me as a fool but I certainly don't want to lose this girl.

I don't have any clue what should be the correct step should I take and in a confused state of mind. I believe there are experienced people out here who can suggest / guide me with the best possible way of handling this situation.Tom, you seem like a nice guy! But you know what they say. Sometimes nice guys finish last!

A couple of thoughts for you to reflect on:

1. Do you feel like you understand Asian culture (broadly defined. Language, history, food, music, religion, etc. Etc.).

2. Do you feel like you understand Laos culture, again broadly defined. Because it is a unique Asian culture.

3. Do you feel like the girl thinks that she really or truly understands you and your culture?

4. Have you ever lived in Laos?

5. Has the girl ever lived in your country?

6. You have money and she does not. I assume you are well educated (a bachelors degree maybe) and she probably not! Do you think she is aware of that?

7. I assume you have a job and maybe a career? Does she? Does she know that?

Well, I can go on and on. If she had lived in your country, knew your culture (maybe was at least raised there for part of her life) and knew how to navigate it. Things could be different.

If you like Laos type girls, why not try to find someone like her in your country, if your country has diversity, like for example, the US. If not, then maybe you make a trip to Laos and I have a feeling you will fall in love with many other Laos girls.

The bottom line, with all due respect, is that you are young, naive and inexperienced. She is young, definitely not naive (she is a hooker) and definitely more experienced than you. I doubt she is going to allow herself to ever love you.

Why? Because she knows fully well the circumstances under which she met you. If she had met you in a regular way, say in an office setting in Laos, for example, and you lived and worked there. Then things would be different.

This particular situation has zero chance of working out for you and a greater than 50 PC chance of working out for her!

Good Luck. ' Cause I think you are going to need it.

EihTooms

03-25-16, 02:48

Thailand (both Pattaya and Bangkok) is depressingly shitty compared to 10 years ago. But unfortunately still better than all other places. I'd be happy to be wrong about this.Crocodilexp, for several years I spent 2 + 2 weeks per year mongering in Thailand on vacation up until the early 2000's. Then I took a break for many years while planning my move and retirement in Thailand, which I accomplished a few years ago. Been living in Bangkok ever since. So I missed whatever was going on here ten years ago. But I certainly experienced what was going on 15-20 years ago. That being the case, I have to say I am getting laid and blown much better now than in the years leading up to about 2002, with much better looking young women, many with some of the best attitudes, affection and devotion I have ever had in any mongering situation I have ever experienced anywhere I've been.

HOWEVER, I have to attribute that to my now living here permanently vs being a bit rushed to pack it all in ASAP on a 1 or 2 week vacation, something I suspected would be the case way back when I was only visiting here on vacation and deciding I would probably retire here someday. There is just so much more leeway and allowance one can give to crappy service here and there when there is always tomorrow, always another day of turning this corner or that one and encountering one or a cluster of new girl introductions that will more than make up for what might have been several days of meeting and experience annoying, hassle-laden junk.

I am also meeting girls, much better girls, in ways and places I hadn't back in the 1990's and early 2000's. Dating sites, shopping malls, restaurants. And, living here, I have plenty of time to do so. By my third or fourth month living here, I had racked up a lovely stable of a couple of dozen regulars that I could call at the drop of a hat (or, more commonly, reply to THEIR near daily calls) and be assured utterly hassle-free, loving, attentive and thorough sexual (and often emotional) satisfaction with a minimum of expense. And, of course, I could and do still go on the hunt a few times per week to look for stable replacements for the inevitable drop offs, always including in my search the usual go-go bar / beer bar venues because I still find them to be fun places to score new ladies.

This is not boasting because I honestly believe any expat living here could do what I do, have what I have. And, to be sure, there are PLENTY of times I get the same scams, rip offs, wastes of time, money and emotion that some of the most rank newbies get. LOL. No matter how smart or experienced an old hand gets, it seems the scammers learn to up their game, too. Again, I am absolutely acknowledging that the BIG difference between my experience and many others is that I now live here and have plenty of time to "make up for" the crap times, time I didn't have back when I was coming here on vacation.

But I am only mentioning this because I might be the wild exception to the notion that mongering in the go-go bars, beer bars, picking up freelancers and so on produced "better" results in days gone by. Not in my case. Not when I compare what I am enjoying today vs what I enjoyed 15-20 years ago, that is (again, missing out on whatever was happening 10 years ago). I remember my vacation visits to Thailand 15-20 years ago, mostly Pattaya in those days, being fun but as populated with scammers, rip offs, bait-and-switch hustlers and hasslers as anywhere on the planet. Back in the "good ol' days". But I find the atmosphere to be a bit less so today. Which, as I say, might be merely my impression from the vantage point of someone with lots of time on my hands to make up for the scams and rip offs I do encounter now.

To be sure, it SHOULDN'T be that way. One SHOULDN'T need to have so much time on his hands to "make up for" crap experiences. But it could be that the P4P, mongering or "dating" scene in Thailand has shifted more than ever in favor of the permanent resident expat over the transient tourist.

Pute Nut

03-25-16, 03:14

Over the last 5-10 years, food prices almost doubled, so no wonder pussy increased as well. Are you trying to make the case that food and pussy pricing correlate ? Anyway, food prices did certainly not "almost double" either in 5 or 10 years. My guess is that TH pussy pricing simply is a function of pussy supply and demand. It's easy to see that the supply side in Patts is suffering, compared to not too long ago. As some have suggested, changing demos may play a part, large age groups of improperly sex-balanced Chinese and Koreans are coming online, for instance.

Dg8787

03-25-16, 03:49

MusicalTom,

You would be a fool to take advice from this forum on love and money. If you were to ask about sex and money then you can get some advice and filter it carefully.

Girls work in the bars to support their family. It is about survival to them. They don't have the luxury to have a fantasy love affair. They need to eat. It is as basic as that. They need to eat. If their partner can not provide for them then the partner has no value to them. Yes there are girls that rip people off. But I doubt all.

For whatever this may be worth, you might just budget a certain amount for her and test the waters.

In the end you will have to do what you need to do.

Best regards,

Dg8787.

P.s. Nothing is free. There is no free pussy

Avmit

03-25-16, 04:56

I am new member to this forum. I wish to travel Pattaya in the coming month of June. I had booked my hotel and flight tickets. My question is that I am an indian and not very fair in complexion.

Please guide the places to visit and where to avoid in Pattaya, so that I might not be humiliated in a country where I am traveling alone. I seek some pleasurable vacation in Pattaya me and nice mongering experience.

Please guide me.

MusicalToM

03-25-16, 07:11

Tom, you seem like a nice guy! But you know what they say. Sometimes nice guys finish last!

A couple of thoughts for you to reflect on:

1. Do you feel like you understand Asian culture (broadly defined. Language, history, food, music, religion, etc. Etc.).

2. Do you feel like you understand Laos culture, again broadly defined. Because it is a unique Asian culture.

3. Do you feel like the girl thinks that she really or truly understands you and your culture?

4. Have you ever lived in Laos?

5. Has the girl ever lived in your country?

6. You have money and she does not. I assume you are well educated (a bachelors degree maybe) and she probably not! Do you think she is aware of that?

7. I assume you have a job and maybe a career? Does she? Does she know that?

Well, I can go on and on. If she had lived in your country, knew your culture (maybe was at least raised there for part of her life) and knew how to navigate it. Things could be different..Thanks to you all for your informative replies.

As per the points you put, here are some more things I would like to mention for a better understanding of the situation.

1- I'm of Asian origin live in Asia and I understand Buddhist culture up to a very good extend since it has similarity with my culture. I don't know her language but I'm familiar with other things like food, music, religion etc.

2- Coming to Laos, I've never been to this country and I don't have much idea how things work over there. But yes while I was with this girl I tried to get a glance of their culture like festivals, how they marry, how they work, food, family values and few other things. May be a visit to Laos will give me a good idea on this aspect.

3- She already has some idea of my culture since I'm of Asian origin and I'm not sure if she is more interested to more about my culture since I never asked her about this aspect. And coming to understanding me, I believe up to an extend she has understood me like how I work, how I earn, my food, my daily livings and all, I told her most of the things while we were together.

4- I have never lived in Laos and neither she in my country.

5- I'm an engineer and working in an MNC over here. Where as she told me that she has not studied much since they are poor and yes she is not educated when compared to me. I believe she is saying truth since she face a lot of difficulty to read basic English sentences and not so good in communicating in English as well. However she is trying to learn English.

6- I have a good career & she knows this. For her she works in a Beauty Parlor in Pattaya and does part time hooking job since she needs money to support her family. These facts are true since verified some of them myself.

I'm a 28 year old well fit unmarried guy which she is completely aware of. She is 20 years old and a divorced single mom (I've verified these facts). Her son is 3 years old she works in Pattaya to support her family. I'll post another report on this matter in detail tonight. Yes I do understand that this girl is in industry for some time and she definitely aware of how to handle men like me. But again I'm really not sure if she really loves me or behind my money, may be both or may be my money.

And I don't any specific requirement like Lao type of girl, I just loved her they way she understood & loved me. That's what I can say, but yes I don't know if it was love for me or for my money.

It never ceases to amaze me how many so called mongers fall in head over heels for a bargirl. Love struck teenager wannabe looking for love in the wrong places. In my world I fall in love with girls for a short time only. Once I get a new pussy I fall in love again. So it goes.

In this case for all probability the family of Lao girl do not know she is sleeping around for money. Lao is more conservative than Thailand. Once this girl makes some money to support her family she is more likely will be married to a Lao guy and live near her home. For now she needs money. Even if the guy starts sending money it is unlikely the girl will stop being the bargirl..You are completely right. I'm also sure that the family of my girl do not know she is sleeping around for money since she is working in a Beauty Parlor. I even asked her once about her family knowing about her getting fucked for money to which she didn't reply anything, just kept silent and told she didn't want to share.

Like I said before this she got married at a age of 16-17, got divorced after a year of marriage since her husband tortured her and was having drugs with her money. She was previously working in Laos in a Beauty Parlor, but moved to Pattaya to earn money.

As per conversations and experience with her I can say she is not a regular hooker like other bar girls / FLs, she doesn't work in any bar. She just get hooked up sometimes when she is in need of money and I believe she is true in this aspect.

From my experience with I understood she definitely is not interested to get married to a Lao / Thai guy after her previous encounter, but I don't know if she really wants to get married. I'm saying this because after knowing everything about her family I simply told her if you agree with me we'll go to your home and I'll ask your parents to allow you to come with me and I'll take care of your family in financial aspects. But her reply was to wait for some time since she wants to understand and know me well.

I'm not really sure about sending her money. May you nice people can suggest me best.

In Philippines the words love and expensive are basically the same. In some Asian context's, love and money are totally related. My advice, " Run Forest Run". You are just going to end up disappointed with yourself for giving in to her money needs.I know what you are saying and as a matter of fact it's true. But it's just that my heart is not ready to accept that and since she is still in touch with me I kind of believe she loves me. I might be totally wrong.

Tom, reread your report but try to pretend that you didn't write it, that someone else did. Now what kind of advice would you give them?

I have semi-fallen for a real Thai girl (never a bar girl and still a virgin at 40, though I hope to finally remedy that situation next month), and she never asks for money. When we communicate, we never speak of money. That is what you should be looking for. One who wants to see you because she wants to be with you, not because she wants money from you.I'm a well educated adult, so definitely I know that a real gilr should love you not your money. But after understanding her and her family's situation I agree to her that she needs money since she is the only person who is earning money for her family (her parents are getting old & they don't earn that amount of money to support her son and all other needs).

See I don't have any problem sending her money, even to Laos to her family but I just don't want to become a fool who pays to her and they one day when sending money stops she simply stops talking with me.

I know a lot of people reported this kind of matter previously, that's the reason I don't want to be an ATM for her.

Now since I've told a lot of useful info I believe you guys will be able to advice me on handling this situation.

Wolvenvacht

03-25-16, 08:16

After all these things I'm not sure what to do and I definitely don't want to send her money even if it's a real need for her, instead I want to meet her, her family and then may be I can think of something. You may say / consider me as a fool but I certainly don't want to lose this girl.You have just given your answer: if you don't want to loose her and paying her a monthly stipend is the way to keep her, then by all means pay her.

But make certain that you drop all your western notions of "romantic love". She will keep working bars and going with many men to get the money to support her family. There will be no exclusivity when you are not around.

Quite probably her feelings for you are genuine. . . Only those feelings are maybe not what you think they are. Laos being even more traditional and conservative than Thailand, they equate "love & marriage" with how good you can take care for her and her familiy. There is nothing wrong with that, I even find it a much more sane and healthy concept than our Western ideas in that respect.

But are you ready to accept that? If yes, go ahead and I'm sure you will have a good time when you are together. But if it bothers you that she asks you for money, then you should better stop right now and return soonest to Thailand and party some more. You will see that there are many more ways to have fun besides having one GF only.

Lefeu

03-25-16, 08:47

...There is nothing wrong with that, I even find it a much more sane and healthy concept than our Western ideas in that respect...Mr W, you are way ahead of most of us in this area. Sane and healthy most likely, but not for me. Another reason why I don't plan to get married with a WG.

GoodEnough

03-25-16, 10:24

Crocodilexp, for several years I spent 2 + 2 weeks per year mongering in Thailand on vacation up until the early 2000's. Then I took a break for many years while planning my move and retirement in Thailand, which I accomplished a few years ago. Been living in Bangkok ever since. So I missed whatever was going on here ten years ago. But I certainly experienced what was going on 15-20 years ago. That being the case, I have to say I am getting laid and blown much better now than in the years leading up to about 2002, with much better looking young women, many with some of the best attitudes, affection and devotion I have ever had in any mongering situation I have ever experienced anywhere I've been.

HOWEVER, I have to attribute that to my now living here permanently vs being a bit rushed to pack it all in ASAP on a 1 or 2 week vacation, something I suspected would be the case way back when I was only visiting here on vacation and deciding I would probably retire here someday. There is just so much more leeway and allowance one can give to crappy service here and there when there is always tomorrow, always another day of turning this corner or that one and encountering one or a cluster of new girl introductions that will more than make up for what might have been several days of meeting and experience annoying, hassle-laden junk.

I am also meeting girls, much better girls, in ways and places I hadn't back in the 1990's and early 2000's. Dating sites, shopping malls, restaurants. And, living here, I have plenty of time to do so. By my third or fourth month living here, I had racked up a lovely stable of a couple of dozen regulars that I could call at the drop of a hat (or, more commonly, reply to THEIR near daily calls) and be assured utterly hassle-free, loving, attentive and thorough sexual (and often emotional) satisfaction with a minimum of expense. And, of course, I could and do still go on the hunt a few times per week to look for stable replacements for the inevitable drop offs, always including in my search the usual go-go bar / beer bar venues because I still find them to be fun places to score new ladies.

This is not boasting because I honestly believe any expat living here could do what I do, have what I have. And, to be sure, there are PLENTY of times I get the same scams, rip offs, wastes of time, money and emotion that some of the most rank newbies get. LOL. No matter how smart or experienced an old hand gets, it seems the scammers learn to up their game, too. Again, I am absolutely acknowledging that the BIG difference between my experience and many others is that I now live here and have plenty of time to "make up for" the crap times, time I didn't have back when I was coming here on vacation.

But I am only mentioning this because I might be the wild exception to the notion that mongering in the go-go bars, beer bars, picking up freelancers and so on produced "better" results in days gone by. Not in my case. Not when I compare what I am enjoying today vs what I enjoyed 15-20 years ago, that is (again, missing out on whatever was happening 10 years ago). I remember my vacation visits to Thailand 15-20 years ago, mostly Pattaya in those days, being fun but as populated with scammers, rip offs, bait-and-switch hustlers and hasslers as anywhere on the planet. Back in the "good ol' days". But I find the atmosphere to be a bit less so today. Which, as I say, might be merely my impression from the vantage point of someone with lots of time on my hands to make up for the scams and rip offs I do encounter now.

To be sure, it SHOULDN'T be that way. One SHOULDN'T need to have so much time on his hands to "make up for" crap experiences. But it could be that the P4P, mongering or "dating" scene in Thailand has shifted more than ever in favor of the permanent resident expat over the transient tourist.An excellent, thoughtful post, and one which I would nominate for an ROD if I had any idea how to do so. I think what you say is true not only of Thailand, but of most places, or at least most places in SE Asia. There's less frantic need to cram everything into one or two weeks, and permanent residents are more easily able to shrug off the inevitable failures or mistakes, because they know they will have the time to recoup.

I understand the frantic determination of short-timers to cram as many women as possible into a very tight, limited schedule; a constraint that's not relevant to those of us who live in the region. I've lived and worked in Bangkok, and now I live in the Philippines. From the standpoint of different perspectives for short-term vacationers and longer term residents, I don't perceive much variance between the two countries.

GE.

LittleBigMan

03-25-16, 11:18

MusicalToM,

It is only human you ask a question here but already know the answer hoping to hear something different than what you already know in your heart. The more negatives opinions you get the more you will be drawn to being with her. It really doesn't matter whether she is from Laos or not her need to work the trade is the same which is money. As noted by Wolve. You need to leave that Love thing at home. I do not thing for one minute every girl is out to cheat everyone but I suggest you get this book if you haven't already. I've read this book myself and recommend it to many but reading it does not mean everyone is going to get it between the lines or as I say the bigger picture but it is a start " Thailand Fever " The other thing you need to leave at home is wanting to meet her family or whether you want her to meet yours or to spend more time in your country. If you are from the USA their rules which is slim and non for a Bargirl will help in you forgetting that notion. See as you noted she made it very clear to you what would it take and what it would take " taking care of her and her family " but that flew by you because you are stuck on this thing called Love. She might be a good catch and if you proceed I hope it works out for you. But remember although I have no idea where you are from most surveys in the West concludes 50% of the marriage don't work it is even harder and lower % for this type of relationship. Here my opinion in general in a humorous way is " The more the ATM dispenses the more she will Love you " " Good heart = how much the ATM dispenses " The most you can hope for in the future is she also grows to Love you. If you can't provide a Lifetime of providing for her and uplifting her status in life what good are you? This is precisely the reason she is working. If she wants just love she wouldn't be doing what she is doing and just stay at her village and marry one of her own kind. They work for money and although every working girls have heard stories great success stories usually overblown due to other girls just plain lying to show off the majority just does not work out. It is not easy for even yourself to just pick up and move and live in Thailand, how do you think they feel? Many are scared shit and have no idea how tough it can be on them. Many just do not have the mental fortitude to go through such a challenge. Right now you think you are in Love? She gave you in a few days what you have been missing your whole life and dream of because you never got it at home. Right now it is your little head doing the thinking when you wake up from your dream remember " The grass is never greener on the other side even all the way over here in Thailand " It takes a lot of work to keep grass green no matter where it is placed down to grow. She just said a few words but here is what she actually mean. A monthly income equal or close to what she makes now so she can quit and return to her village in LOS and still be able to take care of her family. Meantime don't be surprise calls for extra's to help fix everything that needs to be fixed or replaced. I can list you another million items but I think you got the idea! Last, I do hope it works out for you but reality you need to spend more time with her to know and knowing her isn't meeting her family. One of the major thing you do not want to do unless you plan to do the things I just mentioned is to meet her parents (read the book). And this is only a generalization if you found her at I-Bar, depending on her age, she is already headed to being harden if not already. Not what you wanted to hear but if you move forward, strapped up the seatbelt because you are in for a wild ride on this roller coaster? Good luck.

Myrrh

03-25-16, 13:26

I see there were three notable spikes in the rate of inflation in Thailand since the late 1970's, the most recent one being in 2008. I wonder if any of the price increases after "many, many, many years" that you mentioned were related to those spikes in the cost of living in Thailand more than anything else.I don't think it has got much to do with Thai inflation. Stuff in the shops and hotel room rates have not gone up by 50% or more or jumped significantly every couple of years.

No, the real reason is greed by the providers and demand far out stripping supply. Add to that the more westernization of the girl's in their attitudes and that is why the Pattaya paradise has now turned into a nightmare.

Greed: Bar owners are constantly coming up with more ways for guys to spend more money for less sex. Coyote girls so higher fee, model from Bangkok, super model from Bangkok, show girls, lady shots instead of drinks (so can be drunk in seconds), cocktail drinks, drinks for professional dancers in nightclubs where before there were no dancers, pay up front (so you can't negotiate the price down with the girl), encouraging the girl to say 'I go dance' once she has her drink, staff trained to pressurize for tips, ping pong balls, girls walking round go go bars pressurizing for guys to buy shots. Pattaya is now more about expensive entertainment rather than sex.

Over demand / under supply: The greed problem is in part caused by the over demand. Now every man and his dog know that if they want a sex tourist holiday then Pattaya is the place. Hordes of young guys in their 20's turning up in Pattaya to party rather than going to their normal holiday destinations in Spain, Mexico, Greece, and so on. Lots of guys looking to party and spend lots of money. The girls would rather hold out for one of those guys. The guy who goes there just for low cost mongering no longer fits in.

Plus, less girls available because of greater demand on the girls from Koreans, Chinese, and so on in Pattaya and other places. So less girls serving the Western customer market.

Westernisation: Smartphones, social media sites like Facebook, online dating sites, the internet in general, decline of Thai core values, exploding commercialization of Pattaya.

It seems to me that there are more things for the girls to spend their money on and they need more money. Rather than lower their prices and work more they have worked out that they can increase their prices and work less. More time for them to party and enjoy themselves in Ibar. What's the point of slaving under some old guy all night for 1000 baht when you can drink and party with young guys and there will always be some guy willing to stomp up 1000 to 2000 baht for short time at some point in the evening. If not today, then at least you have enjoyed yourself partying and there is bound to be a guy tomorrow.

These girls have worked out that the way to go is to increase their prices and stick to the increases. With the hordes of guys visiting Pattaya at least one will bite every night. Those guys that don't play ball will soon come round to the realization of the new dynamics that if they don't pay the new going rates then they won't get laid. At least not get any action with attractive girls and so waste their holiday.

If a girl drops her prices and goes with a customer for a lower rate than what she wants then she won't be around when that customer turns up a short time later who will meet her rates. So she will miss out. Better to wait. Better to go with one for 1000 baht than two for 500 baht. Because whilst you are out of the market earning 500 baht each with two guys you will have missed two guys who would be willing to pay 1000 baht each. So potentially have lost 1000 baht overall in revenue that night.

In any case at the end of the day if a girl is not making enough hits at the going rate then much better off to go back home rather than lose money paying Pattaya's high living costs. So you end up with just the girls who are confident of making the going rate without having to give discounts.

Old New Guy

03-25-16, 15:49

Anyway, food prices did certainly not "almost double" either in 5 or 10 years.I've been in Thailand during that interval of time and food price, as well many other thing almost doubled.

There were many 99 baht buffet restaurants, now typical price Bt 180.

Bus to Pattaya, used to be Bt 123, now 240.

I'm sure that if you look at your expenses in the back you'll find that's true.

Old New Guy

03-25-16, 16:33

I know a lot of people reported this kind of matter previously, that's the reason I don't want to be an ATM for her.
Now since I've told a lot of useful info I believe you guys will be able to advice me on handling this situation.Long story short: If you aren't willing to be ATM, the story won't last long.

Because there are more honest, educated and sensible Western young men than young sweet poor Asian ladies.

Mr Enternational

03-25-16, 17:24

P.s. Nothing is free. There is no free pussyBullshit. I have proven time and time again that there is free pussy. In addition to that I ate at the best buffet in Manila the other day for free too while I was with some free pussy that works at the supreme court there.

Pute Nut

03-25-16, 17:55

Bus to Pattaya, used to be Bt 123, now 240.
The claim was that "food prices" had "almost doubled" in 5 or 10 years, which is simply not true.

I do not doubt your anecdotal bus fare rise, but transportation in general has hardly risen that much in the last 10 years. I'm no expert on Thai bus fares but in the Phils they have not changed very much in the past 10 years. Case in point: ordinary bus fare Manila to AC has been fluctuating between 100 and 130 PHP, depending on diesel price. (Private car pickups have risen a bit more, due to being more personell intensive, I guess).

The zero rate, low % inflation CB banksters' talk is BS of course, real inflation seems to me to hover around 5% or so.

Mr Enternational

03-25-16, 18:14

The claim was that "food prices" had "almost doubled" in 5 or 10 years, which is simply not true.And besides that my rent has stayed the same for 6 years. Unlike in the USA when each time you renew your lease they move the price up on you.

Mr Enternational

03-25-16, 18:34

You need to leave that Love thing at home.I am a little different. I love all of my women. Taking care of somebody is a different matter though. My own child is 19 years old and has two jobs to take care of herself. Do you think I am about to pay a stranger's way? Hell no.

The narrative is the same though. A buddy of mine whenever he goes somewhere to monger he always gets one girl and stays with her the entire time. He did it once again when he was in Pattaya earlier this month. I was at the airport in Manila when he had returned to the States and started texting me about the girl.

She does not like working in the bar. He wants to help her get a job at his tailor but she needs to learn more English. Dude do you know how much normal jobs pay? I jokingly told him to just send her $300 a month and that would be plenty. Many guys like to send $1000, but really there is no need for that. It was like deja vu for him. The girl had already told him if he sent 30,000 baht she wouldn't have to work in the bar anymore.

I could not help but laugh. I explained to him that is why I change women everyday in P4 P. Nobody gets attached to me and I do not get attached to anyone. Best of all I won't get the sob stories from a one-night girl that he will get from a two-week girl. And did I mention that he is married falling for this BS.

Haven123

03-25-16, 18:59

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The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.

MusicalToM

03-25-16, 19:15

Breadman

03-25-16, 19:20

There were many 99 baht buffet restaurants, now typical price Bt 180.

.Someone has to pay for all those chinese tourists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMQwFuCWM-A

Haven123

03-25-16, 19:46

I am a little different. I love all of my women. Taking care of somebody is a different matter though. My own child is 19 years old and has two jobs to take care of herself. Do you think I am about to pay a stranger's way? Hell no..Mr. Ent: Just to clarify, for the likes of MusicalTom. You mean "I love all my women. (But, I'm not in love with any of them.)" ?

Like you, I do care about a lot of women in Latin countries. But I never send them money. Sometimes, I bring them cellphones, clothes, laptops, tablets, perfumes etc etc. But, I never fall in love with any of them. Yeah, there are some truly nice chicas in the DR, Peru, Brazil etc. Never more than a few hundred $ in total for any of them. And yeah, they will hang with me for many, many days and be my tour guide and we hit all the great restaurants and nightclubs together. But then, I head back to the US and let it go. But, not all guys can do that and be mentally disciplined. Particularly the younger dudes.

Actually, I think (Indian pun intended) that's where I think MusicalTom should go and fall in love. He is sure to find someone that he will fall in love with and who will marry him and go back with him to India. Brazil would be top of the list. And then, Peru, the DR or even Colombia. But, that would be a romantic mistake with less than 10 PC chance of ever working out in the long- term. But, for a romantic, who is still young, it just might be worth trying. Laos girl? No way, Jose.

Old New Guy

03-25-16, 21:04

You be from Indiaaaah dude? Yeah, I dink so!
...
Would you please drop nationality mocking and stereotyping or do you need Admin's redress?

Old New Guy

03-25-16, 21:09

And besides that my rent has stayed the same for 6 years. Unlike in the USA when each time you renew your lease they move the price up on you.But that can be because there has been a real estate boom which has started busting about 6 years ago exactly. Even USA RE prices went down a lot, and rents kind of following excpet in "evergreen" areas.

Cost of living went up for sure in Thailand in the last 10 years. Maybe not 100%, but more than 50% that's for sure.

Haven123

03-25-16, 22:24

Would you please drop nationality mocking and stereotyping or do you need Admin's redress?Huh. I was not mocking any nationality. I am 100 PC non- discriminatory. But, I do love to play with words.

Clearly, you don't know me. I was just accentuating a guess. If you read my last post, and ones prior, you will find that I have given MusicalTom some good suggestions both on this girl and other possibilities in other countries.

And, there is a whole thread devoted to Indians on the Thai Forum and I have never posted there.

I have actually posted once in the last 30 days defending Indians, when a poster said something very poor.

And, where were you when posters here have said some pretty poor stuff about Indians and Chinese in Pattaya ( beyond a play on words and accents) ? Living in the southern US, trust me people use accents such as y'all etc to play with words and accentuate while writing, WITHOUT any mention of color, race etc. BTW, people have said some extreme things about Indians and Chinese here on this board, so if you want you should police that stuff first. If you are unable to find it, I will find it for you.

To be clear, all I did was use spelling to accentuate an accent in jest. Give me a break! People do it to me all the time in person and I laugh it off.

Finally, I am myself a mixed breed, non- white and part Asian to boot, from NY and have lived in Chicago, CT, Texas etc for the last several decades. So let me tell you that I have been on the receiving end and I don't have a thin skin.

Old New Guy

03-25-16, 22:31

Huh. I was not mocking any nationality. I am 100 PC non- discrimatory. But, I do love to play with words.

Clearly, you don't know me. I was just accentuating a guess. If you read my last post, and ones prior, you will find that I have given MusicalTom some good suggestions both on this girl and other possibilities in other countries.

And, there is a whole thread devoted to Indians on the Thai Forum and I have never posted there. I have actually posted once in the last 30 days defending Indians. BTW, people have said some extreme things and all I did was use spelling to accentuate an accent. Give me a break! People do it to me all the time in person and I laugh it off.

Finally, I am myself a mixed breed, non- white and part Asian to boot, from NY and have lived in Chicago, CT, Texas etc for the last several decades. So let me tell you that I have been on the receiving end and I don't have a thin skin.Thanks for explaining where do you come from. But is not like these intentions do speak for themselves, you've used quite derogatory words. Anyway, not really my business, hope that will end here.

Haven123

03-25-16, 22:48

Thanks for explaining where do you come from. But is not like these intentions do speak for themselves, you've used quite derogatory words. Anyway, not really my business, hope that will end here.Ok, but I don't believe there was anything derogatory. When it comes to people in India, speaking English, and the various accents, let me inform you that North Indians very, very often, make similar accent puns about those in South India. And, those in India who went to Catholic schools in India and were schooled in English from the age of 5 , make the same kind of accent puns about their own brethren in India, who went to non- Catholic high schools in India and primarily speak in Hindi or Tamil.

Unlike, most other countries, as you probably know, English is the only common language in India. There are 26 languages in India, each with their own script and over 500 dialects. Folks from Chennai cannot understand their brethren from Bengaluru (only 200 miles away), or even read a script of a sign in Kannada vs Tamil. LOL. Making puns of each other's English accents is the pretty much normal in India. Work with Indians here in the US and you will hear it routinely. They make fun of their Englsih accents all the time.

Dg8787

03-25-16, 23:06

Ok, but I don't believe there was anything derogatory. When it comes to people in India, speaking English, and the various accents, let me inform you that North Indians very, very often, make similar accent puns about those in South India. And, those in India who went to Catholic schools in India and were schooled in English from the age of 5 , make the same kind of accent puns about their own brethren in India, who went to non- Catholic high schools in India and primarily speak in Hindi or Tamil.

Unlike, most other countries, as you probably know, English is the only common language in India. There are 26 languages in India, each with their own script and over 500 dialects. Folks from Chennai cannot understand their brethren from Bengaluru (only 200 miles away), or even read a script of a sign in Kannada vs Tamil. LOL. Making puns of each other's English accents is the pretty much normal in India. Work with Indians here in the US and you will hear it routinely. They make fun of their Englsih accents all the time.Dat is write Dum Fuk, in Merika we mak fun of every1. Tank you for de les son.

Haven123

03-25-16, 23:40

Dat is write Dum Fuk, in Merika we mak fun of every1. Tank you for de les son.Ok, but I totally draw the line on color of ones skin, race etc. And also using foul language. Even for a word pun.

And, IMO, the US is the least racist and least overtly discrimatory country in the world, in terms of legal rights, housing, banking, loans, education, jobs, religion, skin color, race, service in public places such as restaurants, bars etc. Etc. But freedom of speech that does not impinge on the above is also a key constitutional protection.

To be very clear, you cannot do what some of the bars and discos do in Pattaya or Bangkok (such as barring entry to certain people based on skin color) because they would have been shut down, sued etc. In the USA and they would have gone bankrupt. Unlike many other countries in the world, including some in Europe and many in Asia.

Pute Nut

03-26-16, 00:18

To be very clear, you cannot do what some of the bars and discos do in Pattaya or Bangkok (such as barring entry to certain people based on skin color) because they would have been shut down, sued etc. In the USA and they would have gone bankrupt. Unlike many other countries in the world, including some in Europe and many in Asia.Personally, I find the Thai approach quite refreshing. I do not want to force my way into some private venue where I am not really welcome. When in a foreign land, I feel I will have to earn my welcome, and if someone don't like me, I will just have to live with it.

And by the way, if you are going to lecture us any further perhaps you can explain the meaning of "discrimatory"?

GoodEnough

03-26-16, 00:38

And, IMO, the US is the least racist and least overtly discrimatory country in the world, in terms of legal rights, housing, banking, loans, education, jobs, religion, skin color, race, service in public places such as restaurants, bars etc. Etc. But freedom of speech that does not impinge on the above is also a key constitutional protectionI take it you've not spent much time in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, the Netherlands or selected other Western European countries. If you had, perhaps your opinion would reflect reality.

GE.

Haven123

03-26-16, 00:51

I take it you've not spent much time in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, the Netherlands or selected other Western European countries. If you had, perhaps your opinion would reflect reality.

GE.Well, actually I have visited (but not lived) each of the countries you mentioned more than a few times, each. Norway only for business. But the others for both business and pleasure.

Without question, I believe the USA is far ahead legally and with respect to jobs (both middle management and upper management) and other legal protections on each of the dimensions I mentioned.

But, this is only my opinion. If you believe that's not true then I respect your opinion.

Haven123

03-26-16, 00:54

Personally, I find the Thai approach quite refreshing. I do not want to force my way into some private venue where I am not really welcome. When in a foreign land, I feel I will have to earn my welcome, and if someone don't like me, I will just have to live with it.

And by the way, if you are going to lecture us any further perhaps you can explain the meaning of "discrimatory"?Equality of treatment. Period. And having that protected under the law.

And I am definitely not lecturing anyone. My apologies if you felt that way.

LittleBigMan

03-26-16, 02:06

I get it now. I was being naive to see what's coming in front of me. But now I understand that there is no room for emotion while mongering. Today I spoke with her and the same story what Mr E mentioned happened. She wants 30,000 bahts per month to stop working and go back to her home in Laos so that she can support her family.

I understood my mongering lesson & I'm ending whatever was happening here. No more BS. Thanks all for your comments. Although I'll write reports of my experience with her.Hey MusicalToM,

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Didn't mean to be so negative or hard on you. In fact, it took me a while to write what I did because I didn't want to be so hard so don't beat yourself up. We are all different but more the same than we would like to admit. When it comes to emotions my biggest downfall is my mouth, my little head controls my emotions before and during the sex. The words " I love you " always seem to blur out just before I shoot, and thereafter I can't wait for her to leave or get out of there. Emotionally it hurts but like they say " time heals all " remember there is a different standard here for us Farang and for a Thai. In General a dead beat Thai man has to provide nothing except his penis and a few sweet words to them and the gates of heaven open up for them. Where for us we all seem rich although we are no different. But when on holiday, we drink 500 baht worth of coffee, spend 300 baht on each meal and then spend even a 1,000 baht a day for a room, 30,000 baht for airfare then tell them " you have no money " it just doesn't hold water. Her request is not unreasonable in my book because as I noted it is not about Love, it is about money first to take care of the only reason why she is in Pattaya selling herself to you and other men. It is not only the monthly income she is loosing, but loosing future earnings for a house, car, kids school, family get sick, they all will look at her because she is hooked up with you a (ATM), she becomes a extension of that ATM, she too is looked at one but refuse to admit it until she has had enough from her family. You will sit and think how do I refuse in a polite way and if and when you do no matter how much you have given they will call you cheap in Thai. Even a former MP official who since has been replaced said last year in the Bangkok Post to women in Isaan " if you want a better life marry a Farang. You are so early in this that the next time your dipstick checks another motor you will have forgotten it ever happened. Good luck.

Mr Enternational

03-26-16, 05:41

Her request is not unreasonable in my book because as I noted it is not about Love, it is about money first to take care of the only reason why she is in Pattaya selling herself to you and other men.You can look at it like that but...

I was in Angeles City over the weekend and met a chick who let me read her Whatsapp. One that stood out was from an Indian brother who had told the girl instead of keep sending her money, he has opened a bank account that he will deposit money into and will give her the ATM card when he arrives. He just does not want her in the streets anymore.

She told me that she has not asked anyone to send her money but guys like to do that. She said he can give her all the money he wants but she will still be out there or else she would get bored. This chick just turned 20 2 weeks ago. Now if he was trying this on a 36 year old he may have gotten a different result. She would have been happy to sit on her ass at home while enjoying his welfare plan.

You will sit and think how do I refuse in a polite way and if and when you do no matter how much you have given they will call you cheap in Thai.And that is why I introduce myself as Khun Keeneeowl (Mister Cheap Charlie) in the first place. I don't see any reason to play anyone's Jed Clampet. Once you go that way, there is no turning back. Many a farang has started out playing Mr. Moneybags and when that well runs dry and his girl shuns him, he takes the express elevator down from the 13th floor.

TellAll

03-26-16, 07:37

You can look at it like that but...

I was in Angeles City over the weekend and met a chick who let me read her Whatsapp. One that stood out was from an Indian brother who had told the girl instead of keep sending her money, he has opened a bank account that he will deposit money into and will give her the ATM card when he arrives. He just does not want her in the streets anymore.

She told me that she has not asked anyone to send her money but guys like to do that. She said he can give her all the money he wants but she will still be out there or else she would get bored. This chick just turned 20 2 weeks ago. Now if he was trying this on a 36 year old he may have gotten a different result. She would have been happy to sit on her ass at home while enjoying his welfare plan.

And that is why I introduce myself as Khun Keeneeowl (Mister Cheap Charlie) in the first place. I don't see any reason to play anyone's Jed Clampet. Once you go that way, there is no turning back. Many a farang has started out playing Mr. Moneybags and when that well runs dry and his girl shuns him, he takes the express elevator down from the 13th floor.In the past I would advise guys don't send money, but they do it anyway. Now I just advise them not to give anymore then they can afford to do without because now I understand. His girl's different.

LittleBigMan

03-26-16, 10:32

You can look at it like that but...

I was in Angeles City over the weekend and met a chick who let me read her Whatsapp. One that stood out was from an Indian brother who had told the girl instead of keep sending her money, he has opened a bank account that he will deposit money into and will give her the ATM card when he arrives. He just does not want her in the streets anymore.

She told me that she has not asked anyone to send her money but guys like to do that. She said he can give her all the money he wants but she will still be out there or else she would get bored. This chick just turned 20 2 weeks ago. Now if he was trying this on a 36 year old he may have gotten a different result. She would have been happy to sit on her ass at home while enjoying his welfare plan.

And that is why I introduce myself as Khun Keeneeowl (Mister Cheap Charlie) in the first place. I don't see any reason to play anyone's Jed Clampet. Once you go that way, there is no turning back. Many a farang has started out playing Mr. Moneybags and when that well runs dry and his girl shuns him, he takes the express elevator down from the 13th floor.Yes, as you noted the big difference is the age. A older women who has been in the business for a while which I'm assuming in this particular case ask for a amount that would stop her from working. Now of course I'm not getting into whether this particular case she will or will not. We just got to take their word. But again I do not think what she is asking to be unreasonable but it doesn't just stop there. People write stories that they get calls that the roof needs this or that and then start to wonder? I give you 35,000 baht. What is going on getting all upset. Once you start it is tough if not impossible to go back even when it is a legit request.

Lefeu

03-26-16, 10:42

Personally, I find the Thai approach quite refreshing. I do not want to force my way into some private venue where I am not really welcome. When in a foreign land, I feel I will have to earn my welcome, and if someone don't like me, I will just have to live with it.?I believe he is talking about racism, i.e. Denying someone entry to a club based on their look, race, nationality, color, etc.

If you find that refreshing, then you are a racist too. If that's the case, just say so and cut the BS.

TellAll

03-26-16, 11:58

Yes, as you noted the big difference is the age. A older women who has been in the business for a while which I'm assuming in this particular case ask for a amount that would stop her from working. Now of course I'm not getting into whether this particular case she will or will not. We just got to take their word. But again I do not think what she is asking to be unreasonable but it doesn't just stop there. People write stories that they get calls that the roof needs this or that and then start to wonder? I give you 35,000 baht. What is going on getting all upset. Once you start it is tough if not impossible to go back even when it is a legit request.When I think about all the pussy I can get over here in a month for 35000 baht. I need a friend sending me that kind of money every month. At least he would know I'm putting it to good use.

Mr Enternational

03-26-16, 17:19

...And if you think they will ever be satisfied then you have another thing coming...

Pute Nut

03-26-16, 21:17

If you find that refreshing, then you are a racist too. Go ahead, if it makes you feel even gooder, SAY IT.

YES I believe in free speech, and the right for a disco or bar owner to keep certain groups out, heck, even countries to do the same.

As I said, I see no point in forcing me in where I am not welcome. And YES, I find that REFRESHING when someone, like Thais often do, stands their ground.

Now, can anyone point me to a good racist club that keeps liberals out?

Run Mann

03-26-16, 21:54

Now, can anyone point me to a good racist club that keeps liberals out?Try the Triple K Club on Soi Kow.

Old New Guy

03-26-16, 22:36

YES I believe in free speech, and the right for a disco or bar owner to keep certain groups out, heck, even countries to do the same.
Not my country, and I suspect, not even your.

Pute Nut

03-26-16, 23:01

Try the Triple K Club on Soi Kow.Thanks, tried that already. The dress code sucks a bit and it's a tad too smoky for me.

MusicalToM

03-26-16, 23:05

I landed at BKK around 4:30 in the morning. VOA delayed due to huge number of Chinese gentlemen and women already waiting in line. As a matter of fact it took me almost 3 Hrs to get VOA, yes it's true believe me. When there would be 500+ people already be waiting in line this would happen. Next time I'm getting my visa in my own country before taking a seat in flight.

Reached Pattaya around 11:30 and straight to Hotel near Soi 15 (Pattaya Avenue). Hotel rooms were getting prepared so headed McD for some refreshments, by the time I returned hotel rooms were ready. Took shower followed by a few hrs sleep and headed for mongering around 7:30 in the evening. Started at Soi 6 beer bars, but only thing I saw was Tattoo, straight to Beach Road. Inquired few talents but nothing interesting, meanwhile my buddy got his partner for night which left me alone on Beach road, time was around 9:30. Headed to Walking Street without any delay.

Walking street:

As usual loud music, live band and Chinese groups with group identification flags. Since it was my first night, I had no intention of hitting a AGoGo. Straight to iBar, bought Manao Soda and took a seat just near to the entrance, time was around 10:30. Soon moved inside the club toward sea side where most of the girls were seating. Seated for a while before seeing this sweet looking girl entering to take a seat. After a while she looks at me and we both smile at each other. I moved near to her and after formal greetings I asked her whether she is interested to come with me, she quoted 3 k for the night to which I countered with 2. 5 k, soon we settled for 2.7 k for LT. Bought 3 shots for her and her friend and off we went to our hotel (50 bahts each for a motor taxi ride to Pattaya Avenue where my hotel was).

Night 1:

We entered hotel at around 12:30, took shower separately and the night started. She was reluctant to kiss initially but soon she joined me after becoming horny, then she sucked my nipples followed by oral. Soon I finished in rubber in mish and yes no BJ. But I liked the GFE she gave me. Took some rest and round 2 started, this time finished in doggy and I guess she had orgasm. Later I came to know it was her first night after returning from her home after a 2 weeks vacation. We slept and woke up around 9:30 in the morning, had one more round after which she left. I paid her 3 k for her nice service and superb GFE. She is 20, no tattoo and a flat stomach, exactly what I wanted. While she was going to her home on her way we had a video chat, reason was she has left her toothbrush in my room which I wanted to return her back.

Night 2:

She called me up in the afternoon to check whether I was interested for the night. I asked her to call me in night since I was feeling a bit tired. She calls me up around 2 o'clock in night to check if I was interested to which I politely refused. I was tired.

Night 3:

I called her up to ask her to come my hotel for the night. This time price was 2.5 k. She confirmed she would come around 12 o'clock. I was having my dinner at around 11:15 when she called to tell me that she is coming. I was a bit far from hotel so asked her to wait at hotel reception area for 10 minutes. After around 5 minutes she calls me to tell that either I come right now or she leaves, I rushed to my hotel but by that time she already has left. I called her up to come, but she didn't. I already have posted a detailed report of what exactly happened that night.

Night 4:

In morning she said sorry for lat night's incident and told she was angry since I was not coming. I asked her to forget and come tonight. I was supposed to leave for Bangkok that day but stayed just to have some more time with her. She came around 9:30 in night and she has come for LT as per my understanding till that time. This time I finished in same doggy but sex was much more intense. After we are done she cleaned up started leaving, I was clueless what was happening and she told me that she had work in the morning so she had to leave. I paid her 1 k for ST (she was asking 1.5 k). I was not happy at all since I have planned for the entire night with her not for sex but for more GFE. Her leaving made my mood off and soon I slept. I already have mentioned in detail what exactly happened that night in my previous report.

Till now she never has given me a BJ, but nice GFEs.

Next morning I left for BKK. I asked her to come with me to BKK before leaving to which she quoted 10 k and I told her I would get a model in BKK at this price. We disconnected & I took a seat in Bus.

I had a very good experience with her till now except the ST she did for which I was expecting LT. Still I liked her service and left with a heavy heart since I couldn't have more time with her.

GoodEnough

03-27-16, 00:10

Well, actually I have visited (but not lived) each of the countries you mentioned more than a few times, each. Norway only for business. But the others for both business and pleasure.

Without question, I believe the USA is far ahead legally and with respect to jobs (both middle management and upper management) and other legal protections on each of the dimensions I mentioned.

But, this is only my opinion. If you believe that's not true then I respect your opinion.I meant no offense. I guess our opinions simply differ as I find many countries, particularly Scandinavian countries much more tolerant than the US. Of course given the political circus now being conducted in the US, I don't think anyone has a sound idea of what the country will look like in the near future.

GE.

Opebo

03-27-16, 01:22

I've been in Thailand during that interval of time and food price, as well many other thing almost doubled.

There were many 99 baht buffet restaurants, now typical price Bt 180.

Bus to Pattaya, used to be Bt 123, now 240.

I'm sure that if you look at your expenses in the back you'll find that's true.I agree that most prices have doubled. Hotels, food, etc, and of course girls most of all. But are you saying the bus from Bangkok to Pattaya is 240 baht? I take it often and it's still around 115. I can remember it being 90 many years ago, but it's hovered around 110-125 for years. Buses are one of the true bargains left in Thailand.

MilesToGo

03-27-16, 01:54

I agree that most prices have doubled. Hotels, food, etc, and of course girls most of all. But are you saying the bus from Bangkok to Pattaya is 240 baht? I take it often and it's still around 115. I can remember it being 90 many years ago, but it's hovered around 110-125 for years. Buses are one of the true bargains left in Thailand.Just took the bell bus from swampy airport with transport to hotel 250 b.

But right beside their booth is direct to jomtiem (I believe ends at that Foodland station - 120 be.

John Love19

03-27-16, 06:59

I agree that most prices have doubled. Hotels, food, etc, and of course girls most of all. But are you saying the bus from Bangkok to Pattaya is 240 baht? I take it often and it's still around 115. I can remember it being 90 many years ago, but it's hovered around 110-125 for years. Buses are one of the true bargains left in Thailand.Bangkok to Pattaya (from ekkamai bus station) is 108 baht.

Mr Enternational

03-27-16, 09:30

Till now she never has given me a BJ, but nice GFEs.

I had a very good experience with her till now except the ST she did for which I was expecting LT. Still I liked her service and left with a heavy heart since I couldn't have more time with her.Seriously bro. You are chasing around a FL chick who is charging you 3k/night and will not suck your dick. You could have stayed home for that kind of treatment. You should have told that broad good riddance. FL should be 1k LT, 1.5k at the most. And customarily they have your dick in their mouth before you can get in the room good.

Daddy07

03-27-16, 09:39

MusicalToM

03-27-16, 10:23

Seriously bro. You are chasing around a FL chick who is charging you 3k/night and will not suck your dick. You could have stayed home for that kind of treatment. You should have told that broad good riddance. FL should be 1k LT, 1.5k at the most. And customarily they have your dick in their mouth before you can get in the room good.I know bro I was a fool at that time, first time I was inexperienced and in subsequent nights my emotions took control over me. However she sucked my dick in first night and the next night as well, but there were no BJ (neither CBJ nor BBBJ) or CIM or COF. She sucked for few minutes put rubber and soon I emptied in it.

Now I laugh on myself thinking what would have I got with the money I spent on her. Anyways it was my first time in mongering world so I'm considering these things as honest learning or mistake whatever you say it. Definitely I'm going to keep these things in mind during my next mongering vacation which is coming in few months.

Crocodilexp

03-27-16, 11:25

In any case, when they do it with me on board I simply hop off the bus the moment they turn into the Soi and don't pay the 10 baht. If enough passengers did the same maybe they would think twice about taking the shortcut.Sure, they should change those habits, but you're exposing yourself to unnecessary risk. A cop or a fellow baht bus driver might be nearby, and could tackle you. It's not likely, but don't understimate the potential danger, in Bangkok an American has been murdered over a 50 baht taxi fare not so long ago.

Moreover, you're not necessarily getting your message across, the driver may well be thinking "ai hia, another keenieow farang jumping and running off to save 10 baht".

LittleBigMan

03-27-16, 12:12

Bangkok to pattaya (from ekkamai bus station) is 108 baht.I take this bus quite a bit although it has been a month, it isn't 108 Baht unless all of a sudden they decided to change it since Feb 2016?

Spirits Hunt

03-27-16, 13:37

Mr Enternational

03-27-16, 14:22

Spirits Hunt

03-27-16, 15:39

Everyone is not from Australia and countries have visa rules that apply to different countries differently. I think the few posters asking are from India.Cool. Tried to click on the posters infor to see which country from but didn't shown so I decide to post in forum to ask instead. Was thinking maybe they from all different countries and I remembered last time someone posted in the forum saying something like "going into pattaya now need (something) or something similar".

Anyway this clear it out a little bit.

Thanks.

Old New Guy

03-27-16, 19:44

I'm from Australia. I checked the webpage and it said don't need visa if staying less then 15 days in thailand. I going to Bangkok and pattaya soon. If anyone can help and answer the question that would be awsome.
30 days visa exempt arriving by air, not 15. You can extend these for 30 days more at the immigration office, cost Bt 1,900.

But you may need an exit ticket within 30 days for the airline to let you boarding.

Old New Guy

03-27-16, 19:48

I agree that most prices have doubled. Hotels, food, etc, and of course girls most of all. But are you saying the bus from Bangkok to Pattaya is 240 baht? I take it often and it's still around 115. I can remember it being 90 many years ago, but it's hovered around 110-125 for years. Buses are one of the true bargains left in Thailand.Bell Travel from airport to Hotel is now Bt 240.

Just to contradict myself and prove that anything is possible in Thailand, I can book a true 4 stars hotel for $31 a day. 10 years ago it may have costed more, not less.

MusicalToM

03-27-16, 20:32

Ok maybe this is not the right place to ask but I just got a little confuse now.

I saw few posts start mentioning about they getting visa. Is this a new thing now that I missed. Like thai change the regulation that foreigner have to apply visa now?

I'm from Australia. I checked the webpage and it said don't need visa if staying less then 15 days in thailand. I going to Bangkok and pattaya soon. If anyone can help and answer the question that would be awsome.

Thanks in advance.I would suggest you to get a visa beforehand coming to Thailand if you are not sure. If you search in Google for "Advance Visa Thailand" and then country name, then I'm sure you will find a link which can provide you the desired information.

Anyway you'll get a VOA of 30 days even if you are not getting a visa in advance. And yes you need to show them a return Air ticket within next 30 days from the date of applying for visa. You can extend this 30 days visa by another 30 days if you wish to stay more, this can be done at Thai Immigration office in Bangkok.

If you wish to stay beyond 60 days in Thailand then you have the options like 90 days visa / re-entry visa / 1 Year visa. Terms and conditions for each type of visa is different but it's mostly same for all the countries.

Hope this helps. And my advice is to get visa beforehand.

LaxinBuddy

03-28-16, 02:14

I have seen good things about the Skyfall club as far as quality of women. Does anyone have any experience as far as their willingness for LT? I will be taking my first trip to Thailand in April and figured I would ease in to my trip. I have heard about a tendency for a ST mentality at high end go-go's recently. Can anyone shed personal experience on this? I'm hoping to find a younger good looking girl who would let me bar fine her for the first 3 days or so and just have a great time (obviously at a price.) Any help / experience is appreciated.

Betong

03-28-16, 03:58

Moreover, you're not necessarily getting your message across, the driver may well be thinking "ai hia, another keenieow farang jumping and running off to save 10 baht".Yes, that's exactly what he'll think. Songthaew drivers are essentially self-employed. They either lease their vehicles or own them, so they understandably feel they can improvise a bit on the routes.

My feeling is that you've got to pick your battles in Thailand (or better, avoid them altogether). Getting upset about a ten-baht bus not taking you to your exact destination is a pretty silly one.

Spirits Hunt

03-28-16, 06:05

30 days visa exempt arriving by air, not 15. You can extend these for 30 days more at the immigration office, cost Bt 1,900.

But you may need an exit ticket within 30 days for the airline to let you boarding.

I would suggest you to get a visa beforehand coming to Thailand if you are not sure. If you search in Google for "Advance Visa Thailand" and then country name, then I'm sure you will find a link which can provide you the desired information.

Anyway you'll get a VOA of 30 days even if you are not getting a visa in advance. And yes you need to show them a return Air ticket within next 30 days from the date of applying for visa. You can extend this 30 days visa by another 30 days if you wish to stay more, this can be done at Thai Immigration office in Bangkok.

If you wish to stay beyond 60 days in Thailand then you have the options like 90 days visa / re-entry visa / 1 Year visa. Terms and conditions for each type of visa is different but it's mostly same for all the countries.

Hope this helps. And my advice is to get visa beforehand.Thank you guys for the update.

Mogwai

03-28-16, 07:53

I take this bus quite a bit although it has been a month, it isn't 108 Baht unless all of a sudden they decided to change it since Feb 2016?The bus price from Ekkamai to Pattaya or vice versa goes up and down a bit all the time. I think it depends on the diesel price.
Last December I paid about 120 B.

Mogwai

03-28-16, 08:07

Old New Guy

03-28-16, 12:50

Anyway you'll get a VOA of 30 days even if you are not getting a visa in advance.That is called "visa exempt", and is free. VoA is what people from. Eg. India gets for Bt 1,000.

You can extend this 30 days visa by another 30 days if you wish to stay more, this can be done at Thai Immigration office in Bangkok.It can be done at any Immigration office, not only in Bangkok.

And my advice is to get visa beforehand.Why? Nationalities eligible for visa exempt should just use that when staying 30 days or less.

Old New Guy

03-28-16, 12:55

II have heard about a tendency for a ST mentality at high end go-go's recently.Not only at "high-end clubs". Most women gets to understand quickly that ST is more profitable and less demanding. And even if they accept LT, they often play LT-becomes-ST, which is very common.

Finnish Fucker

03-28-16, 17:45

A short recap of my agogo experiences in Pattaya from last week.

1. LK Metro area: The quality of the girls has gone down here since last year and not so many customers anymore. Best of the bunch were Champagne and Bachelor. Close to the LK bars is Papagayo bar which has also gone downhill.

2. WS Agogos: The amount of the agogos is overwhelming. I did not visit every single one of them, maybe 50%. My favourites were Sapphire and Iron.

- Sapphire has really large lineup of young sexy girls. They are wearing stockings + top or bikinis. No nudity here. I saw the most gorgeous girl there I have ever seen in Thailand Agogos. 20 YO pretty, slim and stacked with large natural boobs. Her pictures are all over Sapphire's Facebook. You can't miss her. I asked to barfine her, she said she does not go out with customers. I repeated my question for 2 nights in the row. On the 3rd night she said she will come out with me tomorrow. So I went back on 4th night and guess what, she was not there. She remained absent for the rest of my stay in Pattaya. Well she looked too good to be true for 3000 Baht ST fuck anyway.

- Iron has topless girls and many of them are really nice with good bodies and tits. Also quite a few natural girls in the mix, not all plastic dolls like at Sensations or Skyfall. Easily better looking babes here than at Crazy House in Bangkok.

I did not like What's Up. The club itself is OK but the girls did not rock this viking boat. Too much plastic around.

I visited also clubs like Peppermint, Happy, Sharks, Electric Blue, Windmill, Fahrenheit, Palace, Crazy House, Bacchara etc, etc. They all have some nice girls around. Depends on the taste of the punter.

Regarding ST vs LT that has been discussed on the forum. Well basically all the girls are doing ST for the first time with a new punter. The don't want to stay LT. If they accept LT it will most probably turn into a ST with some excuse from the girl, headache, pain in the pussy etc. This change is no problem generally unless you have paid a LT upfront in the club which some clubs require. Has happened to me a few times. If you become a regular customer things might change and girls are willing to stay LT, even too long time. I did not have LT sessions in Pattaya, only took ST rentals.

Myrrh

03-28-16, 19:18

A short recap of my agogo experiences in Pattaya from last week.
Sapphire has really large lineup of young sexy girls. They are wearing stockings + top or bikinis. No nudity here. I saw the most gorgeous girl there I have ever seen in Thailand Agogos. 20 YO pretty, slim and stacked with large natural boobs. I asked to barfine her, she said she does not go out with customers. Well she looked too good to be true for 3000 Baht ST fuck anyway.
Regarding ST vs LT that has been discussed on the forum. Well basically all the girls are doing ST for the first time with a new punter. The don't want to stay LT. If they accept LT it will most probably turn into a ST with some excuse from the girl, headache, pain in the pussy etc. This change is no problem generally unless you have paid a LT upfront in the club which some clubs require. Has happened to me a few times.

Not only at "high-end clubs". Most women gets to understand quickly that ST is more profitable and less demanding. And even if they accept LT, they often play LT-becomes-ST, which is very common.This sort of emphasize the point that I was making in an earlier post. Is it worth traveling 12 hours+ one way and spending 1000 euros / dollars on a flight just to put up with this unsatisfactory nonsense? The only real advantages that Pattaya had over staying at home and mongering was that you could get long time and GFE for a fraction of the cost that it would cost you in the west.

However, with go go bar girls no longer wanting to go long time; short time costing the same as it would cost you in the West (or more once you take into account bar fine and lady drinks); paying up front becoming the norm rather than the exception; and girls often not delivering what they promised even though you have already paid up front, then what is the point of traveling to Pattaya? Especially to visit go go bars given that only a fraction of them feature full nudity anymore.

The only advantage I can think of is if you enjoy your drink and like to go on bar crawls. You can sit in different bars with lots of half-naked women who are willing to talk to you for a few minutes for the price of a few expensive drinks. But you can do that anyway in lap dancing clubs in the West but without the jet lag.

Walking around different places looking at girls in bikinis who are available for short time? Sounds familiar? It seems that Pattaya is becoming more and more like Amsterdam every day except you don't get the suffocating humidity in Amsterdam, there are a greater variety of girls of different nationalities to choose from and you can always roll a big spliff if you want to get away from it all.

Daddy07

03-29-16, 05:26

Has anyone else noticed the annoying habit of some Beach Road baht bus drivers who turn left on Soi 13 in order to avoid the traffic bottleneck at South Pattaya Road, leaving their passengers 3 blocks to walk from the entrance to Walking Street? I don't think their supervisors would approve.
In any case, when they do it with me on board I simply hop off the bus the moment they turn into the Soi and don't pay the 10 baht. If enough passengers did the same maybe they would think twice about taking the shortcut. I see a lot of complaining on this forum about how things have changed over the last few years and the way in which many Thais now try to rip off and treat foreigners with contempt and no respect. It's easy enough for me to understand the reasons why. They know for the most part that they can get away with it.

Sure, they should change those habits, but you're exposing yourself to unnecessary risk. A cop or a fellow baht bus driver might be nearby, and could tackle you. It's not likely, but don't understimate the potential danger, in Bangkok an American has been murdered over a 50 baht taxi fare not so long ago.
Moreover, you're not necessarily getting your message across, the driver may well be thinking "ai hia, another keenieow farang jumping and running off to save 10 baht". Yes, the driver could draw out a gun and shoot me dead; a cop could tackle me; I could be murdered; but that's not the point. The point is that the baht bus route printed on maps of Pattaya has the busses going to Walking Street and making the loop turn on South Pattaya Road not turning off on a detour 3 blocks before the passenger's destination. By hopping off the bus when he takes a detour, I'm not trying to send him a message. I just want to go to Walking Street but that is not where he is headed. He's going the wrong way.

Yes, that's exactly what he'll think. Songthaew drivers are essentially self-employed. They either lease their vehicles or own them, so they understandably feel they can improvise a bit on the routes.
My feeling is that you've got to pick your battles in Thailand (or better, avoid them altogether). Getting upset about a ten-baht bus not taking you to your exact destination is a pretty silly one.So it's OK with you if the driver improvises; they can make their own rules and its OK and "understandable" with you? Of course, if they can get away with it they're going to keep doing it. If the Go-go girl you bar fine stops servicing you just before you finish and decides to go meet her friend somewhere, I suppose you are OK with that too; you just pay up and it's no big deal? It wasn't a battle; no one was upset. The driver simply decided to go where I wasn't going so I hopped off.

Turning left into Soi 13 is not allowed coming from Beach Road (not for cars anyway) but maybe you meant Soi 13/4.
But anyway I think the drivers are doing you a favor because walking those last 3 blocks, along the sea side of Beach Road, is much better for your health than staying in the bus for another 10 minutes or so inhaling exhaust fumes. LOL!I meant 3 blocks before Walking Street whatever Soi that is. Oh, I see, the driver was doing me a favor. He was looking out for my health. Yeah. The Thais who treat foreigners with contempt are doing them favors.

This wasn't a big deal for me; just a minor irritation. I really don't think that the driver expected his 10 baht. He knew what he was doing.

Lefeu

03-29-16, 06:23

...Regarding ST vs LT that has been discussed on the forum. Well basically all the girls are doing ST for the first time with a new punter. The don't want to stay LT. If they accept LT it will most probably turn into a ST with some excuse from the girl, headache, pain in the pussy etc. This change is no problem generally unless you have paid a LT upfront in the club which some clubs require. Has happened to me a few times. If you become a regular customer things might change and girls are willing to stay LT, even too long time. I did not have LT sessions in Pattaya, only took ST rentals.I was in Pattaya recently for a week, and my experience was quite different. Most girls that showed interest in being barfined seemed to prefer long time. I usually prefer ST as I sleep better when there is no naked woman next to me. Yet, I did a few LTs, for a variety of reasons. Hence, I am not convinced anything has changed in that area. A girl may prefer LT to earn more money, sleep in a nice bed with A / see, or for some other reason. It really depends on the particular girl.

Gannaton48

03-29-16, 08:58

Forever69

03-29-16, 09:55

Of course, if they can get away with it they're going to keep doing it. If the Go-go girl you bar fine stops servicing you just before you finish and decides to go meet her friend somewhere, I suppose you are OK with that too; you just pay up and it's no big deal? It wasn't a battle; no one was upset. The driver simply decided to go where I wasn't going so I hopped off.

I meant 3 blocks before Walking Street whatever Soi that is. Oh, I see, the driver was doing me a favor. He was looking out for my health. Yeah. The Thais who treat foreigners with contempt are doing them favors.

This wasn't a big deal for me; just a minor irritation. I really don't think that the driver expected his 10 baht. He knew what he was doing.Daddy7,

I am a real fan of your posts about all the clubs and such and you must generally be a cool guy, but I have to tell you jumping off the baht bus, not paying the 10 bt and walking away is a blatant mistake where nothing is gained and much is risked. The easiest way to prevent that from happening again, I used to take it on second Road and some turned around on Pattaya klang when I I wanted to go to Soi 6,any way the way to avoid is to ask the driver if he goes there before getting on.

Run Mann

03-29-16, 09:56

Blanquiceleste

03-29-16, 14:15

Knobrm

03-29-16, 15:15

Mr Enternational

03-29-16, 15:47

Knobrm

03-29-16, 17:17

Exactly.

Seems only difference to MrE's game approach to mine (in addition of not being from Atlanta)
is that as long as the experience is at least reasonably OK, I always give 1500. Maybe I am
too generous. Actually even if I not really happy I just give because don't want trouble for few
hundred and don't want reputation of cheap charlie. Heard enough girls bugging about
cheap charlies and don't want them to spread the word like they seem to do.

Sometime may walk to GoGo for one beer though, prior to entering a disco / club, but simply
waste of money take from gogo at current price level. Some 10 ago recall taking
sometimes, prices 1500-2 k LT then (FL 1000-1500 LT then I recall).

4-5 K+BF not worth having the alternatives plentiful. For some reason gogo inflation
is much much more than FL in past 10-15 yrs.

I never ask price upfront, just give 1500. Treat them well and no complaints just repeat
requests. Have few cases where girl in disco has asked 2000 upfront and not budged.
Normally have skipped (tried to keep my principle of not go over 1500) but have couple
of times when I have paid if found girl attractive. Funnily enough none of the 2 k ones have
turned into repeats / regulars, so price does not correlate with service with me at least.

Sometime when bump to the 2 K ones I tried they asking why not go with them, I just
smile and move ahead...

So to sum up, Pattaya price level is still not that bad if stay on FL scene. Massage places
actually OK as well for quickies.

And that is where your problem is. Gogo bars. I am from Atlanta (damn near 20 hours flying time to Thailand) where there are a lot of freakin strip clubs. I practically grew up in them and DJed in one my last year of high school. In these clubs the women are fully nude, do hardecore dancing and ass shaking and open their pussy up for every Tom, Dick, and Harry to see. And although illegal, you can get ST for $40 from many of them.

So to me and most of my friends gogo bars have always been seen as a chunk of boredom. Watching women in bikinis standing on stage swaying from left to right will never do it for me. And when I hear the crazy ass prices going over $100 for short or long or forever time that guys willingly pay I am just amazed. My propensity for hookers just does not go that deep that I am willing to part with that much money.

Fortunately in Pattaya there are 1000 ways to skin the cat of getting laid. 62 E just posted tons of reports and I do not believe he mentioned stepping into a gogo bar in any of them. He seemed to leave Thailand a happy camper and spent maybe 1/5 of what he would had he only gotten women from gogo bars.

Traditionally I have been big into the discos but now I only step into them when I have friends in town. But even there we don't give the FL more than 1000 for LT and sometimes you can even come up on freebies. We always get the GFE that you mention and never have anyone trying to turn LT into ST. Hell, LT ST is not even brought up because in that venue LT is understood by default. Most of the times you have to kick the girls out.

These days I prefer to meet chicks (pro and non-pro) out in the daytime and exchange information in order to hook up later.

So, to me and my friends Pattaya is still as great as it was on our day 1 many years ago. That gogo scene may be changing for the worse for you gogo fiends, but there are still thousands of women to choose from through other means.

Old New Guy

03-29-16, 19:46

This sort of emphasize the point that I was making in an earlier post. Is it worth traveling 12 hours+ one way and spending 1000 euros / dollars on a flight just to put up with this unsatisfactory nonsense?
...
It seems that Pattaya is becoming more and more like Amsterdam every day except you don't get the suffocating humidity in Amsterdam, there are a greater variety of girls of different nationalities to choose from and you can always roll a big spliff if you want to get away from it all.
Thank you for giving your opinion. But for one, my non-stop r / t flight to BKK only cost EUR 510 this year, not 1,000. And I prefer Pattaya weather 364 day a year over Amsterdam. Financially, I could afford to go AMS twice a month, having prostitutes of various nationalities, spiffs and everything, yet I'm not going and I don't want to.

The reason is that I have more fun in Thailand, even when I don't have any sex. I just like it better than Europe for an holiday. Personally I think "it's better", but that of course depends on tastes.

EihTooms

03-30-16, 02:31

Quite a while since active in this forum. Was browsing today and reading this post made
me chuckle on my own and started to think how could one possibly avoid a BBBJ in Pattaya.

In my recent stays (around 50% of my time in past year) I do not recall any incident where I
would not have got BBBJ, (I mean in situations where it is applicable) - and I have not been in
BJ bar during that time once, mostly FLs and massage places in relevant action areas.
Yes I have set of regulars with repeats so that works in my favor in statistics, but still.

Maybe just good luck? None of the girls I have had not even hesitated, rejected or required
cover, I would say on the contrary. And I have had quite a few 555.

So OP no worries, in my experience odds are low that you would not get BBBJ if you move
around the mongering points and go with a girl (not sure with LB or boys as no experience.),
let it be massage parlour or takeaway to room.Are you talking about BBBJ "to completion" or BBBJ as mere "oral foreplay"? My impression of Gannaton48's question was he was talking about BBBJ "to completion", ideally with CIM rather than the girl merely licking around the edges, slipping his dick in her mouth and swishing it around in there for a few minutes as prelude to finishing him in some other way, i.e. by hand or even leading to FS.

On the former, BBBJ "to completion", ideally with CIM, I have found Pattaya to be far less satisfying a destination for it than Bangkok. In fact, I would not even bother making a trip to Pattaya if that was a primary goal to achieve, unless I only pursued it in a Blowjob Bar. And on that count I must reveal I have not been to any of the previously listed Blowjob Bars of Pattaya. I am only talking about the response I get to the request from Pattaya's go-go dancers, beer bar girls and FLs vs those of Bangkok. I spent 3 days and nights in Pattaya last year and not only got definite "NO" replies to the request from the half dozen P4 P girls I chatted up on the prospect of engaging for business, including 3 girls from 3 different bars on Soi 6, but I also got lectured from two or three of them about what a sick fuck I must be to think for one minute a Thai girl would ever do such a thing. LOL. No, I am not joking. And neither were they. That experience was not much different from my previous two trips to Pattaya the year before last.

I should add I am a guy who has throughout his life and easily right up to this very day had no problem with girls wanting to and eagerly giving me BBBJ CIM and more often than not including Swallow. But not in Pattaya. Easy as pie for me to get it from non P4 P girls all over Bangkok, go-go girls, beer bar girls, FLs and, of course, the Blowjob Bar girls in Bangkok. But, for whatever reason, it is a very, very heavy lift to the point of being damn near not even worth the effort for me to ask for it at most massage shops, even the so-called PSE shops of Bangkok, and just about anywhere in Pattaya (except, as I said, the Blowjob Bars of Pattaya, which I have not tried in many years).

Again, I am only talking about BBBJ with a true and fully CIM finish, not as mere oral foreplay before switching off to finish in some other way outside the mouth. As mere oral foreplay, yes, BBBJ is easy to get virtually anywhere outside of those over priced soapies on Ratcheda in Bangkok, including Pattaya. But for BBBJ with full CIM as the finish, I am not inclined to waste my time searching for it or expecting it in Pattaya anymore unless it was in a Blowjob Bar.

LittleBigMan

03-30-16, 07:45

This sort of emphasize the point that I was making in an earlier post. Is it worth traveling 12 hours+ one way and spending 1000 euros / dollars on a flight just to put up with this unsatisfactory nonsense? The only real advantages that Pattaya had over staying at home and mongering was that you could get long time and GFE for a fraction of the cost that it would cost you in the west.

However, with go go bar girls no longer wanting to go long time; short time costing the same as it would cost you in the West (or more once you take into account bar fine and lady drinks); paying up front becoming the norm rather than the exception; and girls often not delivering what they promised even though you have already paid up front, then what is the point of traveling to Pattaya? Especially to visit go go bars given that only a fraction of them feature full nudity anymore.toda

The only advantage I can think of is if you enjoy your drink and like to go on bar crawls. You can sit in different bars with lots of half-naked women who are willing to talk to you for a few minutes for the price of a few expensive drinks. But you can do that anyway in lap dancing clubs in the West but without the jet lag.

Walking around different places looking at girls in bikinis who are available for short time? Sounds familiar? It seems that Pattaya is becoming more and more like Am osterdam every day except you don't get the suffocating humidity in Amsterdam, there are a greater variety of girls of different nationalities to choose from and you can always roll a big spliff if you want to get away from it all.O.

I think everyone is different and you are entitled to your opinion. But the one thing I do not see from your posting is what are you getting and what are you actually paying where you live? My City is not on the list presented by Mr. E, but what I do know I came from a City in California which might have started it all. My home was right in the center of it all, when growing up the Barbary Coast, the Gipsy Rose Lee strip shows was my playground. I was like 8 years old so small I could hide behind the curtains and no one could see me. At Age 16, I saw the Debut for Carol Doda at the Condor. My bedroom window which I could climb out to my neighbors roof next door was making home made Porn Movies by the famous Mitchel Bros. I had access to nearly every strip place on Broadway strip because I knew the major Mafia guys that owned these clubs since I allow them to park their expensive car in my parents alley. Today all the clubs nearly all gone, what is left and the best club Hustler across next door to my parents house the quality is beyond disbelief? They have to pay me to come in as far as I'm concern. Many say no cover charge but you would be lucky by the time you buy your two drink minimum you walk out $30.00 bucks cheaper and if you think you are getting hassle for LD, in Pattaya it is a nightmare home. There was a time Mitchell Bros had the best looking girls and still do and once you could get a real good lap dance for 5 bucks last time I was there years ago minimum was 20.00 but you first had to pay a admission of $25.00.

Today, there are very few strip clubs the lower end one's I never seen so much Cellulite in my life and Cellulite would cost you 20.00 just for a rub for a minute. In the last Mid to late 90's the Asian massage parlor was the best in my opinion I could get a good hour for 120-140.00 pick from a fishbowl that could top any of the places in Bangkok or Pattaya in looks. Today, you walk into one of these places and backpedal out as fast as you can and if you don't your pocket is 2-240.00 lighter. And the biggest problem staying home, and it wasn't for me because I let my friends / family know I'm single and have nothing to hide and being human needed to keep my pipes cleaned. I never had to sneak around at home like many of you. I live here now and when I go home and although it is a change now at my age I wonder can or should I go home if I get older or sick. I see my friends and family everyone is getting older and those my age seem to be bored and just waiting for the big stroke to hit them. Although I have my problems here the one thing that keeps me mentally sane is the girls, even me I can get any favor I want at any dispenser. So is it worth a 12 hour ride here I think so. Or you can stay home jack off and wait to die.

As for the taxi, not siding with anyone. There is a huge difference visiting and living here. When you visit short or long you can say let it go and I know I've heard it a million times that this is their country and not look for trouble, I do not think anyone does that but when you live it it comes at you at times daily it gets tiring and wearing no matter how much you try some days it keeps coming and being human it could cause one to snap. In the past I've done it several times today life here has humble me a a lot although close to Medicare age and friends tell me fit and thinking for my BD what is my challenge this year, do a parachute jump or go try toe to toe for 1 round with a beginning M. Thai student of course with protective gear. Believe it or not sometimes if you just act as if something is nothing like just jumping off and walking away is harmless, turning around and staring, now that is all it will take to set off a Thai. Living here also teaches you what you can do and not do for some?

Knobrm

03-30-16, 08:08

Oh yes I was thinking about BBBJ as generic, without considering CIM specifically.
Normally don't have it like that, rather finish in other way so actually don't have.
statistics on this. However my regular massage gal usually does at times I tell no
need FS. FL's some have done (kind of accidentally. Anyway without asking).
But not many experiences as I prefer other way as said.

Guess you are right in saying that most girls prefer not to CIM, just play.

Quote:

Are you talking about BBBJ "to completion" or BBBJ as mere "oral foreplay"? My impression of Gannaton48's question was he was talking about BBBJ "to completion", ideally with CIM rather than the girl merely licking around the edges, slipping his dick in her mouth and swishing it around in there for a few minutes as prelude to finishing him in some other way, I. E. By hand or even leading to FS.

On the former, BBBJ "to completion", ideally with CIM, I have found Pattaya to be far less satisfying a destination for it than Bangkok.

Lefeu

03-30-16, 11:12

Thank you for giving your opinion. But for one, my non-stop r / t flight to BKK only cost EUR 510 this year, not 1,000. And I prefer Pattaya weather 364 day a year over Amsterdam. Financially, I could afford to go AMS twice a month, having prostitutes of various nationalities, spiffs and everything, yet I'm not going and I don't want to.

The reason is that I have more fun in Thailand, even when I don't have any sex. I just like it better than Europe for an holiday. Personally I think "it's better", but that of course depends on tastes.I am with you buddy. I live in the US and I have access to some of the best girls one can dream of, namely Korean WGs. In fact, that's all I see when I am back home.

But, I also have ton of fun when in Thailand. It's been like this since my first trip back in 2004. I have taken close to 20 trips since then. Prior to that, it was Rio. Honestly, I don't know what people are bitching about. They can go monger somewhere else, or in their home country.

I also go to Europe at least once a year. Even though I take advantage of those trips to visit the FKKs in Germany, I can honestly skip Europe altogether if it were not for the family.

Daddy07

03-30-16, 11:25

On a more positive note, ISG mongers should be aware that Beach Club A-go-go located on Soi 15 Walking Street has been sold to a new owner and is no longer part of the Happy Group of go-go bars. Its new name is Spice Club but many of the staff and dancers have remained. Drink prices are reasonable.

I've been there a few times since the switch and can report that there are many cuties in the lineup. Also, it appears that the place has yet to be discovered by the hordes of spendthrift cigarette addicted Japanese mongers that continue to pack the Happy Group bars.

LittleBigMan

03-30-16, 11:52

A Add-On. I was told Beach club was sold to a friend of the Happy Group. The staff was offered to go to one of their other clubs most I heard went to Peppermint and Happy. I noticed some of the hostess were at Bacarra. Along the walkway leading into Happy Go Go, where a bunch of BeerBars were located were demo and a new building is being built and that is going to be the new Beach Club. I heard it was going to open in a month and the original Beach club staff have first dibs to retur? And. Once that happens I also heard Peppermint will close down to be remodel again.

Raju 1974

03-30-16, 17:03

Had a recent Pattaya trip for 5 nights, six days.

1st day: reached in the evening: After taking shower just went out to take a walk of the beach road. Music festival was on, so went there in the Hotel frontside, it was cool.

Then had dinner is some Indian restaurant on Beach road called Haveli. It was quite expensive although.

At 8:30 to 9 ppm started walking to the famous WS.

It was amazing. Seeing Walking street first time was really amazing. There was although some discrimination there in the gogos. I could enter some of them easily. While some denied entry asking about my Indian origin. Some asked me to pay for drinks first and let me enter.

Anyways enjoyed the scene. Nude girls on the dance floor. Had few beers here and there.

Went to the famous Indian disco Tony with an entry fee of 250 B with a free drink. It was fully packed at 12 MN. Went before at 9 when it was empty. Too loud music. Few sardarjis dancing, and one throwing away currency notes like the old Mumbai dance bars.

Anyway there we re so many Indians and decent number of Beautiful thai ladies. But I always feel awkward to approach these ladies.

So at last went to Crazy house. Selected a cuty. Paid for her 2 ladydrinks, myself took Orange juice this time.

Barfined her (800 B) and back to room (Baywalk residence). Had shower together. She was Ok on bed. Did all possible things but after 2 hrs suddenly had some vomiting and ain abodmne so I asked her to leave if she wishes. And She went.

The deal was LT 3 k, but she went in 2 hours so she asked for 2 k,which I paid immediately. She asked me to come again tomorrow to take her back.

So had a wonderful 1st night in Pattaya.

Next morning I went for a Coral island tour:2000 B all inclusive- speedboat, parasailing, Seawalk, snorkelling, Banana boat ride, and a good Thai lunch It was a good daytime activity.

Finnish Fucker

03-30-16, 17:14

I was in Pattaya recently for a week, and my experience was quite different. Most girls that showed interest in being barfined seemed to prefer long time. I usually prefer ST as I sleep better when there is no naked woman next to me. Yet, I did a few LTs, for a variety of reasons. Hence, I am not convinced anything has changed in that area. A girl may prefer LT to earn more money, sleep in a nice bed with A / see, or for some other reason. It really depends on the particular girl.I agreed ST with all the girls I barfined. None of these girls suggested me a LT option even though LT is money wise more profitable for them. I had same experience in Bangkok. But as you said it depends on the girls, I seem to have chosen the ST types.

Finnish Fucker

03-30-16, 17:34

However, with go go bar girls no longer wanting to go long time; short time costing the same as it would cost you in the West (or more once you take into account bar fine and lady drinks); paying up front becoming the norm rather than the exception; and girls often not delivering what they promised even though you have already paid up front, then what is the point of traveling to Pattaya? Especially to visit go go bars given that only a fraction of them feature full nudity anymore.

The only advantage I can think of is if you enjoy your drink and like to go on bar crawls. You can sit in different bars with lots of half-naked women who are willing to talk to you for a few minutes for the price of a few expensive drinks. But you can do that anyway in lap dancing clubs in the West but without the jet lag.
I agree, even too few bars having topless girls.

This was my 3rd trip to Pattaya since 2011. This trip I had the worst luck with the bar girls and due to some other issues I did not enjoy the place so much anymore. I am not too keen to revisit anytime soon. Even though the quality of agogo bars and bar girls is better in Pattaya compared to Bangkok I enjoyed BKK more. Just my experience this trip.

MusicalToM

03-30-16, 22:10

Please go back 2 pages for Part 1 of this report.

I left for Bangkok around 4:30 PM. My hotel near Nana Plaza booked for 2 nights. I'll post the hotel experience in BKK Hotel thread. This report should come under BKK, but posting it in Pattaya thread since it' makes more sense over here.

Night 5:

Reached hotel around 8:00 in the evening. Spoke to my girl for few minutes over video chat, exchanged few photos. I was missing her badly. Continued to explore BKK mongering scene around 11 o'clock after having dinner. Faced a lot of difficulty to find an money exchange near Nana Plaza at this time unlike in Pattaya. Checked out few FLs near Nana Plaza BTS station, none appealed. Moved to Soi 11 in the search of Q-Bar but later realized that it's closed permanently. I already have spent a lot of time in searching Q-Bar, so headed directly to Nana Plaza. Checked out few FLs in Nana Hotel parking lot but again all cutes are gone by that time. Hit Nana Plaza, time was 1 o'clock, checked out few gogos but I was missing my Pattaya all this time might be due to which I didn't like any girl in gogos. Left empty handed to my hotel around 1:30 and was very much disappointed for an unknown reason. Had few minutes of chat and slept.

Night 6:

Woke up around 11:00 in the morning, called up a close monger friend of mine to take some suggestions for the night and he told a proverb - "No one can stop you getting laid in Bangkok unless you don't want to", quite inspiring. I followed him and hit Insanity Nightclub (Club Insomnia) around 11:15 in night. Oh God this club is so disappointing, was almost empty even at 11:30 unlike Insomnia / iBar in Pattaya. Stayed there for 1. 5 Hrs but none to choose and I was still missing my Pattaya girl. Left for Cowboy around 1 o'clock. Checked out Baccara and there were some real stunner in ground floor stage. Checked out first floor for few minutes where a Topless pole dance round was going on but most of them were unattractive. Felt sorry for a new-comer who fell down while making a move around Pole (LOL), I doubt her pussy was hurt in this process. Might be it was my Pattaya girl's thought which was not allowing me to choose a girl even though there were a lot of stunner available to be picked up and it was very late in night. Left around 2:30 empty handed.

FYI I was supposed to take my return flight next day, but after all these incidents in last 2 nights I was completely frustrated and was not at all in a mood to return back with such a disappointing experience. Called up my buddy in morning and explained my utter unsatisfactory experience. He suggested to continue for next few days which would result the loss of money I invested in flight booking. But I chose my personal satisfaction over money and decided to continue my mongering activity for new few days. Booked next flight after 4 days and hotels for next 4 days as well.

Prepared to return back to Pattaya around 2 PM, meanwhile I already have notified my girl about what was going on and she was waiting for me in Pattaya.

Old New Guy

03-30-16, 23:37

Did all possible things but after 2 hrs suddenly had some vomiting and ain abodmne so I asked her to leave if she wishes. And She went.

The deal was LT 3 k, but she went in 2 hours so she asked for 2 k,which I paid immediately. .

I think you didn't see her vomiting, only heard the efforts from the bathroom. She just gave you the normal "LT-becomes-ST" switch service. So she got 2K instead of 1 or 1.5 for ST, which is a win for her.

FL Hawk

04-01-16, 03:31

HI there! I will go fort he first time to Pattaya in a couple of weeks. My favorite is BBBJ, ideally with CIM. Please let me know where in Pattaya can I be guaranteed to get at least BBBJ? (in Bangkok it becoems increasingly difficult, except in beerbars with more mature ladies). Thanks a lot and have good time!I found a BBBJ to be the standard in Pattaya. In my two visits there, maybe only once or twice did a girl slip on a cover. I have never asked for CIM, since I am not often able to come orally, and I prefer coming the natural way.

But, at one of the Soi 6 clubs, I was offered CIM when I was having a difficult time reaching completing. CIV was not working and I was worn out trying, so she went back to a HJ, but that was not working either. She was a great girl who was trying, but I was just unable to get there. She offered oral, with the implied offer of CIM, but I knew at that point nothing was going to happen as I had nearly gone numb, so I declined the offer. So, CIM is available, but maybe only from certain girls under certain situations. If CIM is important, ask up front.

But certainly, BBBJs are nearly universally available, with CIM probably a bit on the rare side, at least until perhaps the girl has gotten to know you. You best chance might be with the older ladies who have been around.

LittleBigMan

04-01-16, 07:09

For me personally, I can't remember the last time a girl didn't provide a BBBJ? It has been what over 10 years, last maybe at a Soapy in Pattaya Sabai Dee? I make sure regardless. I'm been to all the so call BJ places in Pattaya when they open just to check them out. I have only partake once it is just not my thing to have my dick suck while someone is watching or behind some curtain. Some like a friend can get it up and eat a Club Sandwich and have their dick suck not for me. I found that oil massage place are the best for BBBJ, the better they are at it without jerking on your shaft the most likely they are going to allow CIM, but I never partake I like to finish FS.

Tomasb

04-02-16, 05:03

Some of these foreign girls are remarkably independent. I met one girl who hailed from Madagascar by way of Kenya. I originally met her on SUK in BKK earlier this winter. She travels to Pattaya sometimes to ply her wares. When her 60 day Thai visa expires (with 30 day extension) she travels to Bali and hustles there for 60 days as that is max time with tourist visa and extension for Indo. My FL friend told me she is returning to Thailand next week and wants to see me here. An ambitious Indo or Filipino girl could do the same.

Will probably decline as she will want more money than I am inclined to pay particularly given the low cost here for P4 P. But African girls, I have read, do quite well on Patt.

During my stay in Pattaya I saw a lot of WGs from Laos, Indonesia and some near by countries.

I wonder how do they get work permit, long term visa, ID cards, learn local language and all other related matters.

Are there some agencies who force girls into this or they come and work by their choice? Just curious to know. I saw a lot of young girls in their under / early twenties who are from outside.

I guess somebody would be having some idea regarding this.

Tomasb

04-02-16, 05:26

I arrived in Pattaya yesterday from BKK and will be here go for 10 days. Some of you may recognize my moniker from the BKK thread. I usually rant about how well I do at Bangkok Beat, amongst other select venues in BKK.

BUT I felt like a fish out of water at the few places I visited on Walking Street last night. I generally avoid the go go's in Bangkok and did so here as well since it does not appear to be worth the cost of drinks, bar fine etc. Vis a vis the service. Last night, I went to I BAR and Insomnia, located upstairs from I bar, and though I thought there were exceptional looking girls there along with the standard fuglies, I was not getting the come hither look I have become accustomed to in Bangkok.

Part of the reason is probably my age *67 and noticed a lot of good looking in shape younger farangs in Ibar so thought girls might be holding out for a younger guy than me. A few girls seemed interested but not really what I was looking plus a Slavic looking girl with a pinched face who poked me in stomach. Thanks but no thanks.

I also went in Red Car near entry to WS but nothing going on there and lousy tech music. At end of night, I hung out near the entry to Marine Disco. Quite a few average looking good girls going in who approximated the general look of Bangkok Beat girls. Due to the late hour, 2:30, i took a pass for that evening but now I know what to expect going forward

Wondering if anyone can recommend a club with good live music and enough FL's to keep it entertaining? The bands on WS I thought were awful.

One other thing: While standing near the escalator to marine disco, I saw several, or so I thought possible LB's passing into the club without being hassled by security. But then I saw 2 DEF LB's approach the escalator. Both gave 100 baht to security before entering and, in fact, had money out before arriving. Thought that was odd that sone get charged abd others don't. Needless to say, LB's are in there I heard and read that IBar does not allow LB's but wondered about the gender of a few specimens in there as well.

Finally, on the way back to my apartment, I walked Beach Road. Even at that hour, I counted close to 100 SW's in various locations from WS to the Hard Rock. But what a sorry lot they were. Heavy girls, old ladies, mean looking LB's and one skinny girl who appeared to be on her last legs.

Eric Swiss

04-02-16, 09:46

One other thing: While standing near the escalator to marine disco, I saw several, or so I thought possible LB's passing into the club without being hassled by security. But then I saw 2 DEF LB's approach the escalator. Both gave 100 baht to security before entering and, in fact, had money out before arriving. Thought that was odd that sone get charged abd others don't. Needless to say, LB's are in there I heard and read that IBar does not allow LB's but wondered about the gender of a few specimens in there as well.I've been to the IBar many times, and there are no LB's there. This can only be because the staff do not allow them in.

Sunlover2

04-02-16, 11:45

Finally, on the way back to my apartment, I walked Beach Road. Even at that hour, I counted close to 100 SW's in various locations from WS to the Hard Rock. But what a sorry lot they were. Heavy girls, old ladies, mean looking LB's and one skinny girl who appeared to be on her last legs.The Beach Road scene is certainly hit or miss, and at that time of night the better ones were likely taken. The LB population certainly goes up as the night goes on so they can better conceal their gender. Better hunting late afternoon and around sunset as the fresh ladies arrive and you can see them in the daylight.

SL.

Old New Guy

04-02-16, 21:08

Wondering if anyone can recommend a club with good live music and enough FL's to keep it entertaining? The bands on WS I thought were awful.
Maybe Lucifer? Resident band used to be good, all Americans and a funny Thai girl with a great voice.

MusicalToM

04-02-16, 22:05

Last night, I went to I BAR and Insomnia, located upstairs from I bar, and though I thought there were exceptional looking girls there along with the standard fuglies, I was not getting the come hither look I have become accustomed to in Bangkok.

Part of the reason is probably my age *67 and noticed a lot of good looking in shape younger farangs in Ibar so thought girls might be holding out for a younger guy than me. A few girls seemed interested but not really what I was looking plus a Slavic looking girl with a pinched face who poked me in stomach. Thanks but no thanks.

I heard and read that IBar does not allow LB's but wondered about the gender of a few specimens in there as well.As per my recent experience in Pattaya, iBar is the best place to pick a good looking FL. Usually appealing FLs come by 11 o'clock in night and by 12:30-1 o'clock most of them get job for the night. As per the feedback of the girl I had, you won't get a nice FL after 1 o'clock.

I'm in my late 20's and went there around 10:30, got a cute by 11:30 and left at 12:00. I also saw some farangs doing dirty dancing with some girls in ground floor. Your best chance would be go there by 10:30-11:00, target ground floor beach side for a decent FL.

I paid 2. 7 k for the first night, but I'm sure you can get a better price if you negotiate well, which I'm sure you are expert at.

I didn't see any LB for sure. All girls were looking real.

Finally, on the way back to my apartment, I walked Beach Road. Even at that hour, I counted close to 100 SW's in various locations from WS to the Hard Rock. But what a sorry lot they were. Heavy girls, old ladies, mean looking LB's and one skinny girl who appeared to be on her last legs.During my stay almost every day I used to check out Beach Road at various times. As per me you have best chance to pick a good looking FL is in early evening (7:00-8:30). I can assure you that there are enough good looking FLs stand in Beach Road, but I doubt on their legit age, my buddy picked a cute girl earlier this month with whom he had a great time and he was telling the girl was around 18 years. And I'm sure you are aware of the new 20's rule for WGs. Do hit Beer Bars in Soi 6 if you have time after all these activities.

Flyte137

04-02-16, 22:58

I would surely recommend Lucifer then candy shop. If you need some rock music then there is a bar opp lucifer forgot the name though but they play good stuff and you have enough eye candy to pick up too.

I arrived in Pattaya yesterday from BKK and will be here go for 10 days. Some of you may recognize my moniker from the BKK thread. I usually rant about how well I do at Bangkok Beat, amongst other select venues in BKK.

BUT I felt like a fish out of water at the few places I visited on Walking Street last night. I generally avoid the go go's in Bangkok and did so here as well since it does not appear to be worth the cost of drinks, bar fine etc. Vis a vis the service. Last night, I went to I BAR and Insomnia, located upstairs from I bar, and though I thought there were exceptional looking girls there along with the standard fuglies, I was not getting the come hither look I have become accustomed to in Bangkok.

Part of the reason is probably my age *67 and noticed a lot of good looking in shape younger farangs in Ibar so thought girls might be holding out for a younger guy than me. A few girls seemed interested but not really what I was looking plus a Slavic looking girl with a pinched face who poked me in stomach. Thanks but no thanks.

I also went in Red Car near entry to WS but nothing going on there and lousy tech music. At end of night, I hung out near the entry to Marine Disco. Quite a few average looking good girls going in who approximated the general look of Bangkok Beat girls. Due to the late hour, 2:30, i took a pass for that evening but now I know what to expect going forward

Wondering if anyone can recommend a club with good live music and enough FL's to keep it entertaining? The bands on WS I thought were awful.

One other thing: While standing near the escalator to marine disco, I saw several, or so I thought possible LB's passing into the club without being hassled by security. But then I saw 2 DEF LB's approach the escalator. Both gave 100 baht to security before entering and, in fact, had money out before arriving. Thought that was odd that sone get charged abd others don't. Needless to say, LB's are in there I heard and read that IBar does not allow LB's but wondered about the gender of a few specimens in there as well.

Finally, on the way back to my apartment, I walked Beach Road. Even at that hour, I counted close to 100 SW's in various locations from WS to the Hard Rock. But what a sorry lot they were. Heavy girls, old ladies, mean looking LB's and one skinny girl who appeared to be on her last legs.