Pattaya Reports

[Wolvenvacht]

To all the Mongers, I have few question if you could answer please?


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1) What is best time to be visiting Pattaya, when there is not much tourist around or does it matter when you travel?It doesn't matter. The number of sex workers is so big, you will always find enough choice.


2) Around here (pattaya walking street) where is cheapest place to stay to rent a room with your own bathroom and shower?There is no reason you have to stay close to Walking Street. There are enough other areas (see question 3) that have hookers available, so your choice is much wider than Walking Street alone. Also the circuits of the baht busses make it very convenient and cheap to get to any "interesting" part of Pattaya. Take a look at http://booking.com and check what is available. It is easy to sort the hotels according to price.


3) Is Pattaya walking street is the only place to hook with SW?No. Essentially the whole of Breach Road and the connecting roads (called "Soi" + a number) between Beach Road and Second Road are full of bars, clubs, massage parlors and street walkers.


4) I see quite a few Russian SW is it a common sight in there, are there any other SW from other countries works there?The Russian SWs are actually very very rare. Most are not even Russian but rather from the "*stans", Asian republics in the south of the former Soviet Union. They are expensive and provide no service worth mentioning. My advice is to steer quite clear of them.

Other nationalities are available, but I guess you are not thinking of girls from Myanmar, Laos or Cambodia. Once in a while an African hooker is spotted on Beach Road.


5) What is the low to high price in US Dollar you will pay for any sex act from a female SW ?Short time fun with a SW picked up from Beach Road can start at about USD 20 and that will buy you one pop of ordinary straigth sex in your hotel room. At that price there is no guarantee of any quality. One pop with a top performer from a high level agogo club in Walking Street can easily set you back USD 150 to USD 200 or more if you count the barfine and your and her drinks. Unfortunately even at that level there is no guarantee of the quality of service.

If you really like "expensive" try the Russian SWs: they are masters of the science of emptying your wallet and not providing anything.


6) I like American, Japanese, Chinese & Indian food. Is there any place to get these food in there at a cheaper price?Cheaper than what else? Almost by definition, foreign food will be more expensive than local Thai food bought from a street vendor.


P.S: if anybody want to add some suggestion that will be useful please do so.My suggestion is not to be overly concerned with getting cheap services. Set yourself a realistic budget and try to optimise within that budget. List what you desire from "most wanted" to "easily droppable" and then ask here again if you need more info.

[Christian G]

3) Is Pattaya walking street is the only place to hook with SW?You can find SW on Beach Road.


4) I see quite a few Russian SW is it a common sight in there, are there any other SW from other countries works there?African girls


5) What is the low to high price in US Dollar you will pay for any sex act from a female SW ?Low price 500 baht for short time from some SW on Beach Road.

[Mr Enternational]

So, my day actually started out with me feeling pretty good and fresh, I went for a massage close to 1 pm at Rhee massage on 2nd RD. Thai body massage, 1 HR, excellent, strong, 200 baht and 100 tip.You were talking about Soi Buakhao before your trip. Did you ever get by there? Thai massages are only 100 baht in that area.


Went up to Insomnia right away, and danced and partied as usual, and at about 6 am picked up this 9, 21 Y. O. who was also a great dancer and we danced for at least 30-45 minutes. LT For 2500... One tidbit, Her girlfriend roommate she tells me does guys for 1000 if they are young and hot looking and but they both ask for more, as the age and looks of the guy goes south.

I am 44, so a long way from young and hot looking, but I have been saying all along that FL are 1000 LT and now you have heard it from the horse's mouth. You said that she said "they both ask for more", leading to me to believe that this particular girl also goes for 1000. If she had told me this my response to her would have been, "So why the hell do you want 2500 from me, if you go with other guys for 1000?"

[Lone Punter]

Do any of you local guys know of an English speaking dermatologist? I'm looking to get some minor work done in Pattaya?

I have excellent experience with dr Nitivadee (LaNitivadee Dermatology & Aesthetic Laser), its on second floor of Nautica Plaza, between Mike's shopping mall and soi 11 on Beach road. She is a senior dermatologist with extensive experience. Treatment will certainly be more affordable then in a major hospital without any compromise in quality. I assume you are looking for some laser surgery and not sex reassignment. I took also my teacher to see her for an outburst of acne and she got great help.

[Haven123]

You were talking about Soi Buakhao before your trip. Did you ever get by there? Thai massages are only 100 baht in that area.



I am 44, so a long way from young and hot looking, but I have been saying all along that FL are 1000 LT and now you have heard it from the horse's mouth. You said that she said "they both ask for more", leading to me to believe that this particular girl also goes for 1000. If she had told me this my response to her would have been, "So why the hell do you want 2500 from me, if you go with other guys for 1000?"Hey, thanks Mr ENT. I did go to Soi Buakhao twice to check out Soi Diana, LK Metro and change $ at TT.

I did not see any massage places that from the outside seemed good. I did go to Soi 3 for an oil massage and that was a rip off. I am talking about Masaage places now without any happy ending options, and where I was given a private room or an area of 2-3 massage beds cordoned off with the curtains.

The best massage person I have encountered so far is Aree Massage (Prae) on 2nd RD right after Soi Diana inter, and she is really good and speaks super excellent English ( and accent ) is 30, has twins and is from Isaan and flies (yeah) to Isaan twice a year (at least that is what she told me) and is trying to get to Australia next year, to furher her English education or a business diploma. (don't know how but she said she has a friend there). Who knows how much of that is true ?

As for the other girl and what she told me, yes that is what she implied and she told me that after we got to the room and the deal was done. I am pretty sure if there is a young, hot and sexy (I am guessing for her that is a 20 something) guy that she likes, digs she will go ST for 1000. That's cause she has a German boyfriend who gives her a base amount of serious baht once a year, I believe.

Although her tone implied, that she disagreed with her friend going that low to 1000. So, I don't know for sure. She is mostly a lone operator at Insomnia. I am in my mid 50's, I don't live in Thailand, and speak zero Thai. So your YMMV. And I have a beer belly. LOL but I'm still 190 lbs something lbs and 5' 9. In any event, I gave her 2500 for LT and she was nice and talked and talked and talked and enjoy getting to know and their thoughts, experiences, life, life history. But, I had to do zero prompting and it was all stream of consciousness at about 730 am. She was a bit drunk it was 7 am closing time at Insomnia when we left and I chatted her up at 6 am (and that was a major beef with her, with her saying that she'd me there for many days and I am always dancing and that I like hip hop and rap (she does too) and asked why I did not talk to her on the other days and why I waited until 6 am (perhaps implying that she thought She was a last minute decision by me. Etc. LOL. So, there's a lot of stuff I think, embedded in the negotiation. I did dance with her for about 20 minutes before we left.

BTW, I think she does really well as she is hot and has a almost perfect ass and tits and overall face, body etc. And, she's got the English thing down too. She is pretty street smart and is I believe very afraid of men she thinks may ra-e her, murder her etc. These were all specific things she talked about and about a black guy, who had another black guy enter once she got to the guys place. Anyways she poured stuff out and I have not even given you like 50 PC of what I learned. Yeah, I am but crazy for being interested in all this shit, but I now see my life more as an adventure and learning about interesting peoples/ girls lives and just hanging with them too. It is quite rewarding for me on its own and intellectually too (about life, consciousness, the universe, free will, math universe vs 2 D projection and tons of other theories but I better not go there. Since some people think I am a bit nuts and who knows maybe I am, but I am having fun).

Anyways, thanks for everything Mr ENT. BTW, I may have met you briefly in Sosua when I was hanging around with Kelvin there at his favorite haunt (which I don't care for as all the chicas I see are from Cupid after I have chatted with them for months. Another 50 or so new ones to add to the hopper for my next trip to Pto Pta!).

[Mogwai]

You must have got pissed because of something that I wrote before, but couldn't find anything better to attack me with than an empty, meaningless statement. Try harder a next time.No, it's because of what you wrote in the two posts I quoted. I suggest you read those two posts again and try harder to figure out what pissed me off. It's pretty obvious.

[Fast Eddie 48]

So one arrives for the first time in Pattaya, has to drag say two bags to the road and up the baht bus, get to understand which one goes near to his hotel and change one or two times, figure out what's the amount to give, put up with smelling or drunk strangers depending on the time, still dragging and watching bags, all that in the scorching hot. That is what is called "arriving in style" really. You should always travel lite left big luggage in Bangkok carry only small pack, you lucky you didn't arrive during sonkran like I did you be soak no bht bus you be carry 2 bag on a moto bike.

FE.

[Mogwai]

Seems like you can't deal with simple truths. No problem, you aren't alone.So it's a simple truth that door-to-door service or private car with AC is the answer for normal Westerners and that Westerners who travel by bus are cheapskates and not normal and are denigrating themselves?

[Old New Guy]

So it's a simple truth that door-to-door service or private car with AC is the answer for normal Westerners and that Westerners who travel by bus are cheapskates and not normal and are denigrating themselves?I've deleted my previous post. No need for such small BS and I do not want to offend anyone. You may want to do the same and move on.

[Haven123]

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I met this girl 2 nights ago at Insomnia about 515 am. She had just come out of the rest room (and I think she may have just entered with another girl. But unsure).

Something told me right away that she was a bit different and seemed fairly new to the Pattaya scene. It was her shoes and dresses combo (skirt and top matching multi color and looked like a uniform) but sneakers on. So, I said Hi and bought her a drink and pretty quickly discovered that her English was pretty minimal. Established that she was from Udon Thani and had been here a month.

She had a baby face and seemed to be about 23-24. Turns out she is actually 27 when I saw her ID. Divorced or separated about 1 year and has a son. I'd say she had the girl next door look and kinda almost looked Peruvian (the Peruvian Japanese mix with the Peruvian nose). Very petite, so not for all. About 7 looks and probably 6 in terms of body (because very tiny tits). Reached a deal pretty quickly for 1500 LT and left in about 15 minutes for VT 6.

The moto taxi guy that claimed us as we walked out had a bit of a scary look (old burns on left side of the face and a plump guy even for a Thai). Another guy we approached said it was his turn. Got to VT6 and as we were getting off and I was paying him, the guy asks me ' want Cocaine'. I was taken aback and asked ' what, what ' and the guy repeated it. I said, " ahh no" and walked up with the girl, and all the way to the elevator I was saying "wtf, wtf, wtf" expanded version of course. The girl now senses I was surprised and clutches my arm.

So, I am a bit shaken as I am not used to this kind of stuff, except by street guys in the DR (Sosua) and even places like Maui, HI (although nowadays it's more Maui Wowee). So, we get to the elevator area and there are 2 security guards and the girl pulls out her ID and I want to see (given my state of mind) but it's all in Thai and unlike the others I've seen on this trip (probably Udon Thani issued ID).

I want to see since she had a baby face and the guard seeing I am very curious to see myself, says ok, ok..." Ladyboy ". So, now I'm really flustered and then I ask the girl " ladyboy ?" And she enters the elevator ( and I have not ) and says laughing " yes, lady boy" !!! I'm like really, "I no want no lady boy" ! ( after my mistaken ID at Soi 3 couple of days earlier ) .

Now, all 3 burst out laughing, and the girl grabs my hand pulls me in the elevator and elevator door shuts and quickly pulls her skirt, to reveal her black lace panties, and says " lady girl ". And I'm like, you sure ? And we get to the room , I'm apprehensive and she quickly takes a shower and pops out and reveals herself and her C section. As my ex had a C section birth, and now that I see the goods, I relax a bit but still tense.

Anyways, turns out to be one of the top 10 GFE's of my life! lol. Really sweet, hardly a lick of Englsih, and we have to use Google translate pretty much always. Great in bed, superb oral skills and has this beautiful way ( like many of the Latin girls ) gently and sensually stroking my back when I am on top.

Anyways, it was great !

Wake up at about 12 15 and she is now oh, work , work...I ask when she says 12 o'clock ! And it's pouring very, very hard and now she is like oh, I cannot. So, then I can find out she can take the day off if she pays 600 baht. I said ok and she gives me a big hug and stays for another 24 hours. We hit Central later to eat, get her a change of clothes ( a couple of additional things she paid for herself) . Later her nail snips and I give 200 baht to get her nails done. We sleep in and decide we will hit Insomnia again together about midnight. Go with the plan and have a really fun time dancing ( she is super shy but after 3 barcardi breeders) I ask her to get up and on stage and make a fool of herself dancing ( haha, she can't dance even if her life depended on it, but I want her to have a good time ). At least 4 guys now hit on her ! And she smiles and dances on stage with them for a bit ! She is having a ball as I think this was all first time thing for her at Insomnia and I don't think she gets that much attention. A couple of Thai girls there ask her questions, I dunno what and I never asked her). We both get kinda drunk, but dance pretty much non stop until 330 when we leave because she has to make it to work this time . Major GFE again in bed. She leaves at about 1030 am and I say I'll see her again in a couple of days.

Superb, not yet spoiled or hardened girl, divorced for a year and really fantastic , IF you like small ( 4' 11") petite girls ( very nice and firm ass for a petite girl her age IMO ). Timid, shy and and very welcoming with great humanity ( something I always love and look for , but difficult to find and difficult to explain my view on this and how I sense and validate this, IMO. ).

So, this one was memorable. Made Pattaya worth it for me ! Lol

Paid her well, for sure ! She never counted or checked, just the hands together sign and thank you. And uses her phone to type and the translator reads " thank you for the happiness you gave me ". That really was special !

[Old New Guy]

To old new guy.
You should always travel lite left big luggage in Bangkok carry only small pack, you lucky you didn't arrive during sonkran like I did you be soak no bht bus you be carry 2 bag on a moto bike.
FE.Personally, I always travel light, at times even too light. But you can't expect that anyone does the same just to take baht buses or motorbikes more easily. And I don't see the purpose of leaving baggage in Bangkok if one stays in Pattaya.

[Aussie Fella]

For those interested, yesterday I bought a 50 box of Kamagra Jelly for 800 baht and 4 boxes of Black Ant King for 1000 baht (250 baht each). I bought them from a guy called Tu.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Personally, I always travel light, at times even too light. But you can't expect that anyone does the same just to take baht buses or motorbikes more easily. And I don't see the purpose of leaving baggage in Bangkok if one stays in Pattaya.To old new guy.

I always just carry one bag I leave most of my baggage in China my first stop from the US, you can
Always buy socks and cloth in pattaya or dry clean them.

Fast eddie 48.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Glad I finally convinced someone to try Kinnaree. Most cab drivers don't know where it is but I thought I had all those cabbies outside VT6 trained! One tip is to bring up the address of the club IN THAI and show that to the taxi driver.

In case you had issues finding a taxi back, take a left out of Kinnaree, walk uphill to Phratamnak alley 4, then a left walking downhill to the New Nordic condo development near the 7-11 where there is a taxi stand 200 baht to Central Festival.

Sorry to hear about your headache. Country music does that to me too. Weird I never heard country music in there before. It's usually 80's rock.

Hope there was enough there to entice you back though. It's a good alternative to soi 6 every afternoon, especially on a hot day.I was in pattaya last month ask moto driver if he know where kinnaree in jomtien no one know, I not sure it is worth the trouble go all that way for day time look like is a place for local expat that live and retire in jomtien will go for day time action, I was going to just take a baht bus to jomtien then ask a moto taxi to take there but if I pick up a girl I need to bring her back to my hotel in central pattaya too much work so I decide not take the trip.

Fast Eddie 48.

[Christian G]

I was in pattaya last month ask moto driver if he know where kinnaree in jomtien no one know, I not sure it is worth the trouble go all that way for day time look like is a place for local expat that live and retire in jomtien will go for day time action, I was going to just take a baht bus to jomtien then ask a moto taxi to take there but if I pick up a girl I need to bring her back to my hotel in central pattaya too much work so I decide not take the trip.
Kinnaree is not in Jomtien, is on Pratamnak Hill and very easy to reach. Just follow pratamnak road and turn right in soi 4, go straight then turn left in the forth soi (have a sign on the corner). Just google kinnaree and you will see the map.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Kinnaree is not in Jomtien, is on Pratamnak Hill and very easy to reach. Just follow pratamnak road and turn right in soi 4, go straight then turn left in the forth soi (have a sign on the corner). Just google kinnaree and you will see the map.To Christian.

Thanks for the reply so can you take a baht bus there or a moto taxi.

FE.

[Christian G]

Thanks for the reply so can you take a baht bus there or a moto taxi.
I never use mototaxi or bahtbus, always rent motorbike and drive around. I think bahtbus go up on the pratamnak road but not go down to soi 4. You can take mototaxi for sure, just bring a map with you for not waste time. Is very easy to reach, I think you just need to tell your driver to go to Pratamnak Road-soi 4. Then when you are in soi 4, turn left in the forth soi.

[Banana Boi]

I not sure it is worth the trouble go all that way for day timeKinnaree Place is about the same distance to WS as Central Festival to WS (ie. Not far). It is nowhere close to what I consider as Jomtien. It is the first 'main' street (I'm not counting Pratamnak 3 alley) after you ascend the Hill. Go down the hill 4 blocks and you will be on the street Kinnaree is located on. There is even a sign for Kinnaree.

If you choose to take baht bus to Pratamnak Road, you will have to walk about 1/2 km downhill to Kinnaree.

Like I said before, the best thing to do is bring up the address IN THAI to show the driver. You can also show them a Google Map of where Kinnaree is. If he doesn't know, that's not the driver you want.


if I pick up a girl I need to bring her back to my hotel in central pattaya too much work so I decide not take the trip.

The girls are more than happy to go with you LT (I see no need for ST cause you can just bang her at Kinnaree) since they know Central Pattaya is not far at all. Traffic can be awful near WS at 7 pm but they're used to it.

[Banana Boi]

I'm asking again since I don't believe it was answered. What is a reasonable rate for LT for a soi 6 girl?

[Wolvenvacht]

I'm asking again since I don't believe it was answered. What is a reasonable rate for LT for a soi 6 girl?Assuming you find one that is interested in LT (many only do ST in the upstairs rooms), between 1500 and 2000 baht plus barfine is a reasonable figure.

[Gannaton48]

Scrolling through Youtube Videos, where LBs are obviously very popular (.), I would like to know where I should NOT go in order to avoid them. Although I respect any way of life, I would feel quite uncomfortable meeting them. I fully realize they are everywhere but at least I would avoid LB-specific bars. Thanks for infos, my firends.

[Crocodilexp]

LBs are obviously very popular, I would like to know where I should NOT go in order to avoid them. Thailand. Definitely do not go to Thailand.

It's not difficult to tell ladyboys apart from women (unless you're super drunk). Not hard to politely refuse them either, they might be slightly aggressive (they're men after all), but they won't exactly end up in your bed without you inviting them.

[Member #4698]

I would like to know where I should NOT go in order to avoid them. Isn't this a double negative? So if you want to know where not to go to avoid LB's you are actually saying you want to go somewhere where there ARE Ladyboys. The answer is Nana Plaza & Soi 4 in BKK and Beach Road & Soi 6 in Pattaya. LOL.

Just pulling your chain Gannaton. LB's are part of the scenery in Thailand. You will get used to that fact quickly once you arrive. There is nothing to worry about. 99.9% of the time LB's are polite and well behaved. 555. And fortunately, most Go Go's, bars, and massage shops do not mix natural girls and LB's together except in a few rare cases.

In other words, there are Go Go's and bars with XX chromosome "working girls" and Go Go's and bars with XY chromosome LB "working girls". Unless you are blind or drunk out of your mind you will know which type of establishment you are entering well before you walk through the front door.

Good luck and and remember; what happens in Thailand stays in Thailand.

[Christian G]

Scrolling through Youtube Videos, where LBs are obviously very popular (.), I would like to know where I should NOT go in order to avoid them. Although I respect any way of life, I would feel quite uncomfortable meeting them. I fully realize they are everywhere but at least I would avoid LB-specific bars. Thanks for infos, my firends.Soi 6, WS, Soi Buakhao, Soi Diana, Soi7, Soi8, Soi LK Metro, Beach Road, Soi Honey in all this place you will meet alot of LBs!

You can go in a Body Massage in North Pattaya for not meet them, or in a place like Kinnaree and others g-club. Becareful with place like Lo Li Tas BJ Bar, is in soi Chaiyapoon and have LBs around.

Anyway you can meet them also in a Shopping Mall. So I think you have a big problem to avoid them.

Last but not least in the unfortunate case in which you will make a mystake and bring back a LB in your room, it will not be a tragedy just thinking that is a girl with a surprise hahahaha LOL.

[BionicMan]

Scrolling through Youtube Videos, where LBs are obviously very popular (.), I would like to know where I should NOT go in order to avoid them. Although I respect any way of life, I would feel quite uncomfortable meeting them. I fully realize they are everywhere but at least I would avoid LB-specific bars. Thanks for infos, my firends.I would say that any area with WG has also Lb's.

True a lot of bars are fully GG! Lots of GG hit The roads and the majority of MP do employ girls. But the "risk" is there, and the more you are concerned the more you will end up with one, fooling you with her nice look, and maybe drop a girl as she has "those sign" (in most of the cases they do not mean much) you read around.

Keep cool and live the Pattaya experience at its full speed.

Don't be paranoid.

[Haven123]

Assuming you find one that is interested in LT (many only do ST in the upstairs rooms), between 1500 and 2000 baht plus barfine is a reasonable figure.If you definitely have a preference for LT with a Soi 6 girl, well that's good and go for it. I too was tempted. But, quickly made a mental comparIson of them and mental frame of mind vs. Girls that primarily focus on places like Insomnia. You will have a good time just being part of the craziness and you will have quite a selection. And, if you have some game, you will be able to get very good quality too. However, I'd expect the Soi 6 girls for sure will have more expertise and talent in many ways. Although, they would have to get back to work soon too. Uncle V had a good one lined up, so it's definitely possible. I expect cost in both case would be close, with insomnia maybe a bit less in total (no bar fine but lots of drinks) All the best.

[Haven123]

So, I've seen this massage place near VT 6 while walking around and to me they did not seem to quality looking girls. So, yesterday I see this teenager looking girl at this same place that I had not seen before. Cute girl, petite and nice ass. So, I asked if they do oil massage in my room / condo. I'd had several no's before including on other 2nd road Massage places.

This one said yes to my surprise, they said 500 for an hour in my room and I got it down to 400 but gave this girl a 100 tip (before the massage on purpose). She seemed keen and I told them in about 30 minutes as I had to do a few things first. Returned and this girl is all dressed to go in beautiful mini skirt and a nice upscale looking large shopping bag with towels and oil Masaage stuff. She even offers to carry my groceries from the Central Festival store.

In the room, I try to keep it all professional all the way to the end, but as we are getting close to the 1 HR mark, start chatting and teasing her, but her English is very, very limited again and she tells me she is from Ubon (I ask Udon and she says Ubon or something). Anyway, typical teenage charm, good looks, great body and pleasing attitude. She's 20 (from the ID) but could easily pass for 18 or 19. Looks : A solid 7. And Body ( Petite , spinner) , I'd say a 7.5 . ( btw, I never say 10 ever, maybe 9.5 because the law of decreasing marginal returns strikes on all after a while....) . Great skin and so supple and soft. I loved her hair and we talked about that a bit and she liked my compliments. Then I teased her about her boyfriends and she claimed none. So, I said ok, I can be your boyfriend and she said yes and giggled. !

Soon, she has my head on her lap doing my neck and a bit of a head massage and we are still playing this teasing game but I never try to touch or do anything with her the entire hour. So, we keep up this boyfriend charade game and at the end, I ask her again, me your boyfriend, ok? And, she says yes, I ask when she gets off. 10 pm and I am her third and last customer of the day. I ask her if she wants to come back and stay with me and she says yes. But I kinda don't fully believe it. So, I ask LT. She said Ok. I ask how much and she says 2. I said ok 2000 LT and she smiles and believe it or not she is still here with me and will probably be with me from 1045 pm until probably 1 pm, when she has to get back to work at the massage place at 2 pm.

So, I did not have to go back and forth to Insomnia, or buy any drinks. It has been all room service and she is totally GFE and she got a few calls and an animated conversation at about 11 pm, followed by the same person calling again and she was more subdued the second time basically being quiet and accepting whatever was being dished out from the other side. She tells me it was her mother. But, it could also have been her boyfriend. Never affected anything and total GFE all night and morning long. Massage girl, so very talented with good skills and sensuality. Could I have got her down to 1500. Probably! But, I was not sure if she would have to share with the massage shop. And I liked her instantly when I saw her first with her smile and so I did not want to dilly dally for 500 baht, since it is still is way less than what a night at Insomnia, taxis and LT there has cost me so far. And none as cute or with massage skills and I had already had a 1 hour try out, so I knew it would probably be total GFE.

She is such a sound sleeper, seems to love sleeping in this king bed with a beautiful decor and temp at 22 C and fan on and sheets and comforter ....but any time I want to fool around it takes about 5-10 for her to get it going again as she starts wanting to gently stroke my banana again .... ( I dedicate this GFE to Uncle V.....lol and I am sure you are ONLY " staying " horny my friend ! ) ! Haha.

[JohnPhoenix]

Sorry for the delay in FR.

Anyways, replied to the Russian Girl the next morning and got invited for a small party with her friends at a Russian cafe for the evening. I sleep throughout the day in hope of getting some action at night. Woke up at 8 pm, took a shower and went out for dinner. Came back and had another shower because it was just too much humid.

Went to the cafe by 0930 pm and found her group. About 3 guys and 5 girls. All Russians speaking their native language and me sitting like a duck. She took the cue and asked her friends to try and speak in whatever English they knew. Well it did not help as they could not much. So I started initiating questions on differences in culture and all those BS. They were fascinated by my accent and brown skin. I am no Brad Pitt by any measure but a bottle of vodka later the girl started to flirt a bit. I offered for a trip to Mixx since many Russians go there. Yo my dismay all her friends agreed. I kind of just wanted us to go.

Anyways, fast forward 3 hours and we are still dancing on the floor and man she could dance well. At about 0230 in the morning we decided to head out to my room. She was already drunk and my hopes were less. On the way to hotel, she again suggested to have a cocktail from the car bars on the road. We ended up having 2 each. I was feeling that I am getting smashed.

On the way to the hotel she asks me- do you have condom? Made me think is she a working girl.

Into the hotel by 4 if I remember correctly. Removed our dresses and went for lords of deeply and kisses. I suggested we shower before and she was resisting saying lets get it done. I politely went for a shower. Big mistake, by the time I came back she was snoring away to glory. Aghhh.

Slept next to her.

She woke up suddenly at 10 am and woke me up too. Said she had to rush and said something about a day job she has. And I was like what! I thought you were a tourist. She said she will explain later but said a lot of Russians work here while on holiday. And promised to meet me early today.

So a bummer. Night with no sex in Pattaya is like- I don't know what's it like, well it's pathetic.

Cost of the night was shared between all of us partying. It cost me about 4000 be including drinks and cocktails and club drinks. It cost her also the same. Anyways put an alarm for 2 pm so that I can hit Soi 6 to make up for a failed night.

Cheers,

J

[Banana Boi]

Nice work, Haven. Always nice when a LT girl stays well over her LT hours.

[Haven123]

Sorry for the delay in FR.

Anyways, replied to the Russian Girl the next morning and got invited for a small party with her friends at a Russian cafe for the evening. I sleep throughout the day in hope of getting some action at night. Woke up at 8 pm, took a shower and went out for dinner. Came back and had another shower because it was just too much humid.

Went to the cafe by 0930 pm and found her group. About 3 guys and 5 girls. All Russians speaking their native language and me sitting like a duck. She took the cue and asked her friends to try and speak in whatever English they knew. Well it did not help as they could not much. So I started initiating questions on differences in culture and all those BS. They were fascinated by my accent and brown skin. I am no Brad Pitt by any measure but a bottle of vodka later the girl started to flirt a bit. I offered for a trip to Mixx since many Russians go there. Yo my dismay all her friends agreed. I kind of just wanted us to go.

Anyways, fast forward 3 hours and we are still dancing on the floor and man she could dance well. At about 0230 in the morning we decided to head out to my room. She was already drunk and my hopes were less. On the way to hotel, she again suggested to have a cocktail from the car bars on the road. We ended up having 2 each. I was feeling that I am getting smashed.

On the way to the hotel she asks me- do you have condom? Made me think is she a working girl.

Into the hotel by 4 if I remember correctly. Removed our dresses and went for lords of deeply and kisses. I suggested we shower before and she was resisting saying lets get it done. I politely went for a shower. Big mistake, by the time I came back she was snoring away to glory. Aghhh.

Slept next to her.

She woke up suddenly at 10 am and woke me up too. Said she had to rush and said something about a day job she has. And I was like what! I thought you were a tourist. She said she will explain later but said a lot of Russians work here while on holiday. And promised to meet me early today.

So a bummer. Night with no sex in Pattaya is like- I don't know what's it like, well it's pathetic.

Cost of the night was shared between all of us partying. It cost me about 4000 be including drinks and cocktails and club drinks. It cost her also the same. Anyways put an alarm for 2 pm so that I can hit Soi 6 to make up for a failed night.

Cheers,

JA couple of thoughts:

1. Having a girl liquored up is good. Even a little drunk is fine. But when she wanted to drink from the street / car vendors, after all the boozing prior, I think that was the strong clue that she always drinks to excess. Not unusual for a Russian, from what I'm told (but the Finnish are the worst IMO). Does not look like you had to pay her, I'm sure a significant chunk of that was for your booze consumption too. So well.

2. SInce you like to dance, I'd say try Ibar and Insomnia (if you haven't already). For 4 K I think you should have been able to buy a bunch of drinks for yourself and a girl or two and cut a deal with one. Although you spoke about BOTH of you (?) taking your " dresses off" . So maybe you'd be better with a LB? LOL. ROFLMAO, at your expense.

Good luck and hope you got her number, so maybe it still has the ability to pay off?

[Haven123]

Nice work, Haven. Always nice when a LT girl stays well over her LT hours.Thanks mate. But I just a newbie compared to all you guys!

Trying to learn what I want / like, think, strategize, act, learn, feedback, iterate etc,. But I'm just now getting the hang of how I should go about approaching Pattaya based on my likes and dislikes. Only 3 more nights before I head out of here. Doubt I will be back before 2017, as schedule is pretty much penned in through March / April of 2017.

[Banana Boi]

Assuming you find one that is interested in LT (many only do ST in the upstairs rooms), between 1500 and 2000 baht plus barfine is a reasonable figure.

Thanks Wolv. She wants to go to disco after work, then spend the night and see a movie the next day.


. SInce you like to dance, I'd say try Ibar and Insomnia If you're already with a girl, The Pier is a much better dance club than iBar and Insomnia imo. Not as crowded and you can actually dance there. VIP bottle service for 999 baht for the bottle. They mark the bottle and keep it for you every time you come in for the next 30 days. There is also a more Thai style music club right when you enter WS, on the right side. I tried looking for an English name but couldn't find one. You will see a few gogo girls in there on their own.

Haven, to answer your question in the BKK thread, you may want to try Levels. I was with Pattaya gogo girls so we hit The Club on Khaosan Road and West 999 after we couldn't get in to Levels (my girl is under 20). Both were amazing.

[Uncle Volodya]

(I dedicate this GFE to Uncle V.....lol and I am sure you are ONLY " staying " horny my friend ! ) ! Haha.Awesome job man. KUDOS!

Thanks for the dedication. I am horny as hell and miss my Pattaya girls. Even the sexy Russian girls here can't get my mind off them.

I have never taken a massage girl like this. It give ma a very good idea for my next trip.

Keep up the good work!

Uncle-V.

[Haven123]

Awesome job man. KUDOS!

Thanks for the dedication. I am horny as hell and miss my Pattaya girls. Even the sexy Russian girls here can't get my mind off them.

I have never taken a massage girl like this. It give ma a very good idea for my next trip.

Keep up the good work!

Uncle-V.Hahaha. You the monster Mon.!

I still learning slowwwlleee, Mon.!

But I had a good teacher ya? .

[Haven123]

Awesome job man. KUDOS!

Thanks for the dedication. I am horny as hell and miss my Pattaya girls. Even the sexy Russian girls here can't get my mind off them.

I have never taken a massage girl like this. It give ma a very good idea for my next trip.

Keep up the good work!

Uncle-V.Thanks, Uncke V. Let's keep in touch as we discussed. And I hope to see you again and hit Insomnia and some other places when I visit next. Probably same time next year.

[Haven123]

Thanks Wolv. She wants to go to disco after work, then spend the night and see a movie the next day.

If you're already with a girl, The Pier is a much better dance club than iBar and Insomnia imo. Not as crowded and you can actually dance there. VIP bottle service for 999 baht for the bottle. They mark the bottle and keep it for you every time you come in for the next 30 days. There is also a more Thai style music club right when you enter WS, on the right side. I tried looking for an English name but couldn't find one. You will see a few gogo girls in there on their own.

Haven, to answer your question in the BKK thread, you may want to try Levels. I was with Pattaya gogo girls so we hit The Club on Khaosan Road and West 999 after we couldn't get in to Levels (my girl is under 20). Both were amazing.Hey, thanks BB. I will check out Levels too. And, what did you think of The Club and West 999 by the way?

[JohnPhoenix]

A couple of thoughts:

1. Having a girl liquored up is good. Even a little drunk is fine. But when she wanted to drink from the street / car vendors, after all the boozing prior, I think that was the strong clue that she always drinks to excess. Not unusual for a Russian, from what I'm told (but the Finnish are the worst IMO). Does not look like you had to pay her, I'm sure a significant chunk of that was for your booze consumption too. So well.

2. SInce you like to dance, I'd say try Ibar and Insomnia (if you haven't already). For 4 K I think you should have been able to buy a bunch of drinks for yourself and a girl or two and cut a deal with one. Although you spoke about BOTH of you (?) taking your " dresses off" . So maybe you'd be better with a LB? LOL. ROFLMAO, at your expense.

Good luck and hope you got her number, so maybe it still has the ability to pay off?Hey Haven,

It's a post dated FR and I did score.

The LB taunt was cheeky LOL.

[Old New Guy]

Made me think is she a working girl.Why, non-working girls are immune from STDs?



I suggested we shower before and she was resisting saying lets get it done. I politely went for a shower. Big mistake, by the time I came back she was snoring away to glory. Aghhh.
So a bummer. Night with no sex in Pattaya is like- I don't know what's it like, well it's pathetic.
Looks like you've messed a short window there! I'm the one that insists to not waste time showering with the Thai girls, guess what - the ones that OK with that are invariably the same that deliver the best passionate sex.

Here's another story I've been told today. A Russian girl goes to the hair salon next to Insomnia, apparently they are frequent customers there. But this one was well drunk already, lays on a chair, zonks out and pi-ss herself. Tourist police comes, I don't know how it ended but if she was brought to real police and her passports stamps weren't right she's guaranteed an horrible time at the detention center until someone pays the fine and a ticket out of the country.

[Breadman]

Anyone here get a spam pm from mohib3 asking for contact information on your favorite girls? Did a quick search on the guys posting history and all his posts are asking for contact info. I blocked the guy.

[Old New Guy]

Anyone here get a spam pm from mohib3 asking for contact information on your favorite girls? Did a quick search on the guys posting history and all his posts are asking for contact info. I blocked the guy.Hello Sir, Have been following this forum since quite long. Finally I'm in Pattaya, could you please help me with some pointers. As its my first time here any suggestions from a big brother could be used for my fun here. Do let me know if you are keen to catch up too. Thanks, Mohit

To be honest he didn't ask about "my" girls and did not repeat the request when told that I share already on the forum.

[Haven123]

Hello Sir, Have been following this forum since quite long. Finally I'm in Pattaya, could you please help me with some pointers. As its my first time here any suggestions from a big brother could be used for my fun here. Do let me know if you are keen to catch up too. Thanks, Mohit

To be honest he didn't ask about "my" girls and did not repeat the request when told that I share already on the forum.Yes, I have from this same guy. It's not spam though. He sent me 3 PM's ( in the last couple of days ) pestering me for tel / contact info about specific girls I posted as reports. I declined because who knows what can or may happen, and I don't want to be responsible if something does.

A quick check of his posts on this forum, will reveal that more than 80 PC of his posts are asking for contact info, and it is mostly all on the India ISG board.

I don't trust this guy one per cent! I'm glad you brought it up though, BREADMAN. I have never ever asked people on the ISG board for contact info on girls, either on a public post or a PM.

I tried to explain why I wouldn't do that and he responded saying I was a rude person. I have also blocked this guy since....

[Haven123]

Hey Haven,

It's a post dated FR and I did score.

The LB taunt was cheeky LOL.Great and I'm really glad it worked out for you. Well done. And yes, the LB thing was a bit cheeky. And I'm a bit of a cheeky fella, sorry! Some folks have a thin skin, others will laugh it off. I have no problem with folks doing it to me. Ill have a good laugh over it. I've actually posted about a recent incident where a couple of security guards at the condo and the girl got together to riff on me with the LB thing and I totally fell for it at 6 am!! I actually tipped the security guards the next night, as I have in the recent past, and gave them high fives for pulling one on me!

Anyways, assuming now that it bothered you, I'd suggest to just fuggedaboutit, as they say in Brooklyn.

[Old New Guy]

For those interested, yesterday I bought a 50 box of Kamagra Jelly for 800 baht and 4 boxes of Black Ant King for 1000 baht (250 baht each). I bought them from a guy called Tu.I find this amusing. Now leaving the resort I'll ask the reception where I can find Tu. If they don't know I'll ask security, and so on with the entire Pattaya population (150,000) if necessary.

Unless you expected to be contacted in PM about Tu's fantastic deals.

[JohnPhoenix]

Got up in the afternoon around 3 and took a shower. Thought of having a good breakfast prior hitting Soi six.

Went to the Boat Restaurant and Bakery in the second road and had a decent breakfast. With body all charged and me drenching in sweat I thought of going back and having a shower. Was deciding what to do when I got a message from the Russian girl for meeting tonight at 10 in Mixx. I did not have much hope but still said yes. Thinking that I might have to take rest before the all night again, I dropped the idea of shower and headed to Soi 6 to compensate for the last night's debacle.

Entered from the second road and on my stroll saw a bar run by western ex-pats on my right with an extremely attractive MILF sitting out and smiling at me. Went inside. Offered her a drink and I chilled out near the AC nursing my beer and a hurt ego from last night. We chatted for about 20 min and she was not pushy at all. Told her about the Ruski (I know bad move but turned out well). She took it personally that my blue balls needed release. Negotiated price to 600 B with 300 B loom charge.

She was horny as hell and wet as the Amazon rain forest. But that was all. The sex was just OK. Tried different positions and finally came. Tipped her another 100 over th agrees amount and left with her number.

Some poor Londoner is supporting her but she still does this to earn some extra moolah behind him and said that he checks on her by calling her on Skype after his working hours. Said her Soi 6 workplace falls well with the different time zone in fooling him.

Feeling slightly bad for the London Sugar Daddy who believed in her, I walked off toward the beach road to crash in hopes of getting lucky tonight in a non P4P scene in Pattaya.

[Uncle Volodya]

T

If you're already with a girl, The Pier is a much better dance club than iBar and Insomnia imo. Not as crowded and you can actually dance there. VIP bottle service for 999 baht for the bottle. They mark the bottle and keep it for you every time you come in for the next 30 days. There is also a more Thai style music club right when you enter WS, on the right side. I tried looking for an English name but couldn't find one. You will see a few gogo girls in there on their own.

Yeah I don't like how crowded Ibar / Insomnia can get. I tried to pull the same trick off with Pier. I figured it would be less crowded and I also wanted to check out the place to see what kind of crowd it attracts.

But it was just too damn loud for both me and the girl I was with. Maybe because there weren't all that many people there (even at 1 AM). Maybe the noise was reverberating through the club making it seem louder than other clubs??

We didn't even stay for a drink and ended up just going to Ibar. It was crowded but we still managed to carve enough space out to have a good time. And it is always informative to watch the scene there and take note for future times when you come alone and are on the hunt.

Another good one for the same purpose, but with far less eye candy, is Red Car. Drinks are cheaper and there's plenty of space if you just want to "dance with the one that brung ya".

[Old New Guy]

Another good one for the same purpose, but with far less eye candy, is Red Car. Drinks are cheaper and there's plenty of space if you just want to "dance with the one that brung ya".I think Red Car is becoming more and more a place for older men, a la Bamboo Bar. Refusals are out of question but the quality is deluding. I still get in as a kind of mandatory routine, but I think I'll skip it from now on.

[Haven123]

Yeah I don't like how crowded Ibar / Insomnia can get. I tried to pull the same trick off with Pier. I figured it would be less crowded and I also wanted to check out the place to see what kind of crowd it attracts.

But it was just too damn loud for both me and the girl I was with. Maybe because there weren't all that many people there (even at 1 AM). Maybe the noise was reverberating through the club making it seem louder than other clubs??

We didn't even stay for a drink and ended up just going to Ibar. It was crowded but we still managed to carve enough space out to have a good time. And it is always informative to watch the scene there and take note for future times when you come alone and are on the hunt.

Another good one for the same purpose, but with far less eye candy, is Red Car. Drinks are cheaper and there's plenty of space if you just want to "dance with the one that brung ya".Is Red Car really for you?

Uncle V, I know you don't always drink the kool -aid. But when you do, try to make them the younger vintages. And then 'You will feel both Young & Horny, my friend ' ! LOL.

[Uncle Volodya]

Is Red Car really for you?

Uncle V, I know you don't always drink the kool -aid. But when you do, try to make them the younger vintages. And then 'You will feel both Young & Horny, my friend ' ! LOL.It's always good to hear from you my contrarian friend. Even when you are busting my balls. 555.

Red Car is certainly not my first choice for the hunt. But it's not a bad place when you have already scored your girl and are just looking for a place to dance / chill with her. Especially on those nights when Ibar / Insomnia are packed to the rafters.

And RC can offer pleasant surprises from time to time. Perhaps my favorite girl form last trip was a girl I met at Ibar. She was a little older than I usually like (30) but she was still pretty damn hot and an absolute firecracker in bed. So even when you are on the hunt it is worth stopping in for a quick look on your way to Ibar.

[Haven123]

It's always good to hear from you my contrarian friend. Even when you are busting my balls. 555.

Red Car is certainly not my first choice for the hunt. But it's not a bad place when you have already scored your girl and are just looking for a place to dance / chill with her. Especially on those nights when Ibar / Insomnia are packed to the rafters.

And RC can offer pleasant surprises from time to time. Perhaps my favorite girl form last trip was a girl I met at Ibar. She was a little older than I usually like (30) but she was still pretty damn hot and an absolute firecracker in bed. So even when you are on the hunt it is worth stopping in for a quick look on your way to Ibar.Ok, Mr Big Red! I guess you just flew all the way from Red Square. Just to get into Red Car.

Same name. Different dame! LOL.

[Uncle Volodya]

Ok, Mr Big Red! I guess you just flew all the way from Red Square. Just to get into Red Car.

Same name. Different dame! LOL.Or as they say in Thailand: "Same-same. But different. ".

[Banana Boi]

But it was just too damn loud for both me and the girl I was with. Maybe because there weren't all that many people there (even at 1 AM). Maybe the noise was reverberating through the club making it seem louder than other clubs??
Yes, The Pier is louder than its counterparts in Pattaya. It more resembles a real night club. You bring up a good point about it being more difficult to communicate with your girl. One of my Thai girls who I barely understand when there's no loud music around got mad at me at The Pier because I didn't understand a single thing she said.

[Haven123]

1. IMO, the 3- way Ibar / Insomnia / New York Diner combo was a great overall experience for partying, dancing and hanging out / watching a very diverse bunch of people (well men from NA, Europe, Russia, and some Japanese). Each acts and behaves differently, not surprisingly. Good DJ's, nice pool hall atmosphere in one section below at Ibar. The food at NY diner is pretty darn good , at decent prices with service all night long through at least 8 am, with a water view !!

2. The girls were generally all pretty fun and congenial. The paid dancers at Insomnia were really not that good, IMO. But it definitely gets those middle eastern, and Eastern European/ Turkish men going.

3. I recommend anyone who expects to go to dance places like this in Pattaya, versus gogos and beer bars, to buy their VIP card for 500 baht. You get 20 PC off on all drinks (which paid for the tips that in turn got me great service from the bar boys). I paid 500 be, saved about 3000 baht (at least) and got about 1,500 of rewards money to use at their NY diner. So, I invested 500 be and saved / gained 4500 baht, a 9-1 return. BTW, you don't get any discounts on the shots and syringe shooters that are carried around on a mobile basis, as they are impulse buys, and IMO not worth the money. I bought quite a few of them for the girls, but never really had any interest in them myself.

4. A very significant number of the younger good looking girls have an international sponsor, and they are live feeding via WIFI a video streaming every night! LOL. These girls have it made. The sponsors are dumb m-fckers IMO. I avoided these girls totally. So, that left many of the less attractive ones, making my task harder.

5. Before 1 pm, quite of few older, less attractive office and shop or other job girls, party together with their friends. As Mr. ENT has noted avoid these girls and any in groups of 4 or more.

6. The best choices IMO are the ones hanging around on the far side by the upstairs restrooms at Insomnia, and some of the shy, solo girls (maybe beach RD quality) tend to hang out just below the DJ booth.

7. Many are occupied with bottle and table groups of guys and again leaving a depleted field from which to choose.

8. The better looking girls know this, and they know once the guys are really liquored up they are easy pickings, particularly if they are a new face that just showed up. As a matter of fact a whole crop of girls from the other bars show up right after 3 am, and I find that the best time to strike is between 430-6 am, if you can hold out that long.

9. 1000-1500ST, and 1500-2500 LT should be the max, based on the girls attractiveness. , age, dress, and your age, attractiveness, and how you dress. If they are younger and hotter, and you are older, fatter, and poorly dressed, can't dance, look and act geeky / nerdy, you will find that you will probably have to pay on the max end of the above ranges, if you want to seal a deal and leave before 3 am.

10. Smoking was a big issue for me, since their AC system just pushes in cold air but has no return to suction up and continuously clean the air quality and filter out the smoke and pollutants. Throw in people from diverse countries of origin and the local viruses and bacteria they bring with them, and it will affect your sinus and respiration system. Many regular girls who come there use little camphor inhaler sticks or tubes. I think the staff who work there and girls who are pretty much there everyday are in for some tough times after 5-10 years of that air quality. For me, this was unfortunately a price that I had to pay, because I liked the ambiance, music and everything else, and was unable to find better alternatives that I liked on WS. Particularly since I had zero interest in Gogo girls, bar girls in the numbered sois or daily pros.

[Old New Guy]

1. IMO, the 3- way Ibar / Insomnia / New York Diner combo was a great overall experience for partying, dancing and hanging out / watching a very diverse bunch of people (well men from NA, Europe, Russia, and some Japanese). Each acts and behaves differently, not surprisingly. Good DJ's, nice pool hall atmosphere in one section below at Ibar. The food at NY diner is pretty darn good , at decent prices with service all night long through at least 8 am, with a water view !!
You have got it right from 1 to 10. Well, on point 3 - there is also a 100 bt discount / reward card with no VP access, and on point 4 a video girl will still take any customer she likes after done streaming to the idiot.

Not many do work discos with your attention and continuity. Well done and well written, I'm sure your investment has been rewarded, and the reports will be useful to others!

[Haven123]

You have got it right from 1 to 10. Well, on point 3 - there is also a 100 bt discount / reward card with no VP access, and on point 4 a video girl will still take any customer she likes after done streaming to the idiot.!Thanks! I did not know that. Anyways, I don't think I'd want those girls though. Most of those have their heads up their behinds and probably think they are god's gift to the their man on the other side of the video chat!

I'd rather a girl who is genuine and soft spoken, who radiates warmth, affection and a caressing attitude. Because I want to express and return the same spirit from within me. I'm not looking for an exclusive but just an open heart while together.

And, speaking of that, walked by the massage place with the girl from the other day....and set up for a 8 pm oil Masaage in my room with her again. This time it was different! I had not paid anything ahead of time to the house. She arrived at 8:03 with a knock on the door.

Started out with me on my back and after that was done for about 30 minutes, I was so surprised how easily she gave up the whole massage thingy once she got me on the front for massage work. And, within minutes we were at it again and it was soooo good! Go in to take a shower, come out she has her black panties back on, sitting with legs open and pillow in the middle asking me to lie my head back down for a neck and head massage, ahh....and after a hour she giggles and leaves with the 1000 baht note, nothing spoken ( her English vocabulary is less than 50 words and my Thai less than 5 lol) and no comment from her, just a thank you !

[Uncle Volodya]

1. IMO, the 3- way Ibar / Insomnia / New York Diner combo was a great overall experience for partying, dancing and hanging out / watching a very diverse bunch of people (well men from NA, Europe, Russia, and some Japanese). Each acts and behaves differently, not surprisingly. Good DJ's, nice pool hall atmosphere in one section below at Ibar. The food at NY diner is pretty darn good , at decent prices with service all night long through at least 8 am, with a water view !!

Great list Haven! And I agree with all of your points, for the most part. .

I would just add that, at least IMHO, Ibar / Insomnia can vary from night to night, depending on the night of the week, season, and other factors.

Though my sample is relatively small and scattered around different trips I think it has consistently bene the most fun (least crowded and most available hot girls) during my August trips.

It's also a little crowded for me on the weekends and too dead on Sundays. I though Thursday was really the best night of the week to go there.

One last point that is hard to generalize, but I have also come to expect the unexpected at Ibar / Insomnia. And I mean this in a good way. Just as you are about to give up hope something good will happen when you least expect it. Whether being propositioned for a 3 some by 2 hot chicks out of the blue (that turned out fabulously) or meeting a superhot 20 year old girl built like Jessica Rabbit by the upstairs bathrooms (where the Hard Core FLs congregate), good thing seem to happen to me if I just persevere and stick with it.

[Blanquiceleste]

1. IMO, the 3- way Ibar / Insomnia / New York Diner combo was a great overall experience for partying, dancing and hanging out / watching a very diverse bunch of people (well men from NA, Europe, Russia, and some Japanese). Each acts and behaves differently, not surprisingly. Good DJ's, nice pool hall atmosphere in one section below at Ibar. The food at NY diner is pretty darn good , at decent prices with service all night long through at least 8 am, with a water view !!

2. The girls were generally all pretty fun and congenial. The paid dancers at Insomnia were really not that good, IMO. But it definitely gets those middle eastern, and Eastern European/ Turkish men going.

3. I recommend anyone who expects to go to dance places like this in Pattaya, versus gogos and beer bars, to buy their VIP card for 500 baht. You get 20 PC off on all drinks (which paid for the tips that in turn got me great service from the bar boys). I paid 500 be, saved about 3000 baht (at least) and got about 1,500 of rewards money to use at their NY diner. So, I invested 500 be and saved / gained 4500 baht, a 9-1 return. BTW, you don't get any discounts on the shots and syringe shooters that are carried around on a mobile basis, as they are impulse buys, and IMO not worth the money. I bought quite a few of them for the girls, but never really had any interest in them myself.

4. A very significant number of the younger good looking girls have an international sponsor, and they are live feeding via WIFI a video streaming every night! LOL. These girls have it made. The sponsors are dumb m-fckers IMO. I avoided these girls totally. So, that left many of the less attractive ones, making my task harder.

5. Before 1 pm, quite of few older, less attractive office and shop or other job girls, party together with their friends. As Mr. ENT has noted avoid these girls and any in groups of 4 or more.

6. The best choices IMO are the ones hanging around on the far side by the upstairs restrooms at Insomnia, and some of the shy, solo girls (maybe beach RD quality) tend to hang out just below the DJ booth.

7. Many are occupied with bottle and table groups of guys and again leaving a depleted field from which to choose.

8. The better looking girls know this, and they know once the guys are really liquored up they are easy pickings, particularly if they are a new face that just showed up. As a matter of fact a whole crop of girls from the other bars show up right after 3 am, and I find that the best time to strike is between 430-6 am, if you can hold out that long.

9. 1000-1500ST, and 1500-2500 LT should be the max, based on the girls attractiveness. , age, dress, and your age, attractiveness, and how you dress. If they are younger and hotter, and you are older, fatter, and poorly dressed, can't dance, look and act geeky / nerdy, you will find that you will probably have to pay on the max end of the above ranges, if you want to seal a deal and leave before 3 am.

10. Smoking was a big issue for me, since their AC system just pushes in cold air but has no return to suction up and continuously clean the air quality and filter out the smoke and pollutants. Throw in people from diverse countries of origin and the local viruses and bacteria they bring with them, and it will affect your sinus and respiration system. Many regular girls who come there use little camphor inhaler sticks or tubes. I think the staff who work there and girls who are pretty much there everyday are in for some tough times after 5-10 years of that air quality. For me, this was unfortunately a price that I had to pay, because I liked the ambiance, music and everything else, and was unable to find better alternatives that I liked on WS. Particularly since I had zero interest in Gogo girls, bar girls in the numbered sois or daily pros.Fantastic cheat sheet! This can be the newbie's ready reckoner to Insomnia. #5 - I think you meant 1 AM? #6 Bingo!!

[Haven123]

Great list Haven! And I agree with all of your points, for the most part. .

I would just add that, at least IMHO, Ibar / Insomnia can vary from night to night, depending on the night of the week, season, and other factors.

Though my sample is relatively small and scattered around different trips I think it has consistently bene the most fun (least crowded and most available hot girls) during my August trips.

It's also a little crowded for me on the weekends and too dead on Sundays. I though Thursday was really the best night of the week to go there.

One last point that is hard to generalize, but I have also come to expect the unexpected at Ibar / Insomnia. And I mean this in a good way. Just as you are about to give up hope something good will happen when you least expect it. Whether being propositioned for a 3 some by 2 hot chicks out of the blue (that turned out fabulously) or meeting a superhot 20 year old girl built like Jessica Rabbit by the upstairs bathrooms (where the Hard Core FLs congregate), good thing seem to happen to me if I just persevere and stick with it.Yeah, totally agree on days of the week variation. Last week Tuesday was best. This week Tuesday was poor, but last night was good. And, my sample size is small and based on just one trip. So, surely your larger sample, to include monthly seasonality experience inventory trumps my limited one time only, May experience inventory.

[Blanquiceleste]

I encountered a new term today while on social media with a Thai girl. She said she is NBF. I was caught unawares as I had no clue what that meant. But I did not want to display my ignorance so I kept silent.

After 2 minutes the girl texted again Naturally Born Female. Wow! Things are getting real technical in the mongering scene these days.

Anyone heard this term before?

[Haven123]

Fantastic cheat sheet! This can be the newbie's ready reckoner to Insomnia. #5 - I think you meant 1 AM? #6 Bingo!!Yes! I messed that up, 1 am is what I meant. Thanks for the catch!

Well, Im done now with my Patts adventures, for this trip. Will call it an early night, wake up fresh with a full nights sleep and rest, and head out to BKK tomorrow. Doubt there is any chance I'll be back before 2017 as I have Hawaii, DR, Thanksgiving and Christmas/ NY year trips already pretty much set for the remainder of this year. You guys hold down the fort, now, will ya ?

[Haven123]

One last point that is hard to generalize, but I have also come to expect the unexpected at Ibar / Insomnia. And I mean this in a good way. Just as you are about to give up hope something good will happen when you least expect it. Whether being propositioned for a 3 some by 2 hot chicks out of the blue (that turned out fabulously) or meeting a superhot 20 year old girl built like Jessica Rabbit by the upstairs bathrooms (where the Hard Core FLs congregate), BTW, I just remembered, and quite vividly at that. Last night I had just entered the upstairs men's restroom at Insomnia, and there's this like lanky, 6 ft tall European, sharp features and face, with a 2 week beard, stumbling around, eyes very glassy eyed, and so obviously drunk, he can't stand straight!

So, I exit the restroom after a few minutes, and right there, this dude has a girl (I am 100 PC sure he just met her a minute ago, right there outside the girls restroom side) that he is so deep French kissing, passionately, with both his hands cupping her face. And she is older than him and he probably has no clue, as he totally I'm sure can't see straight! So, yeah, Uncle V, I think the girls would agree with you on something happening when this girl was probably just giving up hope. And look what just dropped into her lap? Yeah, Stay Positive, not just Horny my friend ! Haha

[Mr Enternational]

You have got it right from 1 to 10. Well, on point 3 - there is also a 100 bt discount / reward card with no VP accessWhat is VP access? I have had the 100 baht card for years and still do not know how it works. All I know is I give it to the waiter when ordering drinks. I also have a gold VIP card for Pier that I got for free I think when they first opened. To get that card was the only time that I have stepped foot in there. Can't believe they are even still open. You never hear anyone mentioning going there.

[Uncle Volodya]

What is VP access? I have had the 100 baht card for years and still do not know how it works. All I know is I give it to the waiter when ordering drinks. I also have a gold VIP card for Pier that I got for free I think when they first opened. To get that card was the only time that I have stepped foot in there. Can't believe they are even still open.Yeah I have the 100 baht card too. I think th VIP one allows you entrance to the VIP area upstairs, but that is about it. Can't member I have ever bene up there though. I don't think I am missing much.

I had no idea you earned points you could spend at the restaurant. I will have to check my balance. I have enough to take all my meals there next trip. 555.

[Uncle Volodya]

BTW, I just remembered, and quite vividly at that. Last night I had just entered the upstairs men's restroom at Insomnia, and there's this like lanky, 6 ft tall European, sharp features and face, with a 2 week beard, stumbling around, eyes very glassy eyed, and so obviously drunk, he can't stand straight!

So, I exit the restroom after a few minutes, and right there, this dude has a girl (I am 100 PC sure he just met her a minute ago, right there outside the girls restroom side) that he is so deep French kissing, passionately, with both his hands cupping her face. And she is older than him and he probably has no clue, as he totally I'm sure can't see straight! So, yeah, Uncle V, I think the girls would agree with you on something happening when this girl was probably just giving up hope. And look what just dropped into her lap? Yeah, Stay Positive, not just Horny my friend ! HahaHaha!

Good one.

Stay positive. And make sure everyone keeps drinking (especially the girls). Good things will happen.

[Haven123]

So, after my oil massage in my room last night, by the same 20 yo from Ubon, which quickly after 40 minutes resulted in both of us going at it again. I had actually gone to bed early (for me anyways at 1130 pm) in preparation for my switcheroo to BKK in about 14 hours.

Slept very soundly until about 6 am and I hear this knocking on my door. I'm like I'm not expecting anyone, so I think ok early morning partiers returning. They've probably got the wrong room number!!

Heck, but this continues for a bit longer, and I'm like Hello, who is there. Look through the peephole and it's the massage girl and she's back at 6 am! Wtf. I'm like totally nude while opening the door. She looks sleepy. (no she does nott drink or smoke for sure) Tells me she was go to ' esaleep ' in the shop! What? Makes no sense. I'm thinking she's been with another guy (maybe in the same building) and got sent home at 6 am and needed to sleep somewhere until later, as she starts back work at noon.

But, she like let's herself in, and promptly seems very interested in seeing if there is someone else with me? She sees no one immediately but seems unsure and asks if ' you have massage lady '. I'm like no. You Masaage lady for me and I go to sleep. Now, her English is limited to a max of maybe 25-50 words and I have no idea what's going on. She's is in cute shorts, looks totally teenagerish and I'm wondering ok what's going on? I ask what's up? What is going on? She Mumbles something in Thai and promptly gets into Bed and under the sheets. I'm like OK!

The thing is this girl is super shy, very docile and always giggling. So, I'm like how in the world did she get past security. Man, if this had happened with the my number 1 gal who was in bed with me last night, I'd have a bit of a mess on my hands. So, this one now tells me, since I am leaving for BKK, she cannot go (I had asked a couple of days ago if she wanted to go, and she actually said yes, but with her mom in tow...lol !!!). And then I had said, no. No, no not with mom. Only you! And she had Smiled. And now she tells me she came to tell me she still cannot go to BKK with me! Haha.

Well, I have got to remember next time to tell each and every security guy at the elevator (there's like nearly 8 of them in 3 shifts) that they cannot just let someone come up to my apt unannounced!

Man, this could have ended not so pretty if the other girl had been here, who was already getting just a little bit emotional (and trying hard to stay tough) and asking when I would see her again (asking 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, 5 years etc. Because she knew I was here after a decade) and to please not forget her.

So, now this massage girl is still here in bed and it's now almost 830 am and she is fast asleep (with her phone going off and she oblivious) after we made out and went at it again, at about 630 am.

Point being. Those of you who establish more than a 1 night GFE connection, please be warned to prepare for these kinds of surprises and contingencies.

Last time I had this happen to me was nearly a year ago, in the DR, with this crazy chick from Cabarete (who is originally from Santiago and whose birthday is 3 days apart from mine. LOL. ) And she was banging on my door at the Casa Cayena hotel and they have security too and somehow she had evaded them! LOL).

Ok, this has now come to an unexpected but totally cool end. And I'm now nervous if my main flame Ying returns to say bye or something with this girl still here. ( it's now 930 am and Ying is now texting me and I'm getting nervous ) LOL. That's life in the fast - non-transactional - lane folks.

If you go beyond 1-2 nights GFE end really connect with a girl, be prepared for the downside risks as well They will want to check on you, or just assume you are there for them and they will just waltz over! And things could messy, if the timing is not in your favor. I actually lucked out this time...I'm sure I won't next time .!!! Lol.

Update : ( now it's just past 9 am and she is still sound asleep and I don't want to empty my tank and so I keep something in reserve for tonight in BKK ...but I so cannot be rude to her. I'll wait till 1030 max and then I will have to wake her up and get her going ..lol ),

[Mr Enternational]

Look through the peephole and it's the massage girl and she's back at 6 am! Wtf. I'm like totally nude while opening the door. She looks sleepy. (no she does nott drink or smoke for sure) Tells me she was go to ' esaleep ' in the shop! What? Makes no sense.It is weird that your girl would come knocking at 6 am, but maybe that is because you invited her to Bangkok. It does make a lot of sense that she would sleep in the shop though. In many massage shops as well as bars (probably most of the Soi 6 bars) the girls sleep on premises. So the same beds that you are getting your massage on or fucking on, the girls are sleeping on them at night.

[Haven123]

It is weird that your girl would come knocking at 6 am, but maybe that is because you invited her to Bangkok. It does make a lot of sense that she would sleep in the shop though. In many massage shops as well as bars (probably most of the Soi 6 bars) the girls sleep on premises. So the same beds that you are getting your massage on or fucking on, the girls are sleeping on them at night.Yeah, I agree Mr ENT, I thought it was strange too! As far going to BKK, she could have texted me or called me (although with her English being ultra limited maybe not) to let me know she couldn't go.

And she'd only left my apt at VT 6 a bit after 9 pm anyways (or like 9 hrs earlier) after a full session of massage to completion.

Well, at about 1045 am I started packing and at about 1130 she left. FYI, as I was packing one my jeans had a bunch of Thai coins maybe 100 baht, so when I emptied it out I gave it to her, and she said thanks and didn't show any reaction, since we had never spoken about money. And after all that, she was still a trooper and I am empty now. As she was leaving and we will saying bye and kiss etc, I still wanted to see what she'd say about money. Although I had already set aside 1000 baht for her as she said she was going to go shopping for her mom (who she stays with). Anyways in addition to last night for the oil massage in my room and an extended session for which I had given her 1000 baht already, she still ended doing ok and I knew it was the Buddha holiday, so I was just trying to test and see what her expectations were!

I guess what I am saying is that I still have not figured that one out.

[Old New Guy]

Indeed it's a bit strange that the massage girl showed up unannounced, but it's not something unheard of either. The same happened to me only once, incidentally it was with a massage lady too, but it must have been because of something I had said or implied. Except that in my case I was happily carrying pillion the most beautiful Chang promotion girl you can imagine, or one her friends. Never again during my travels in Thailand I have been able to catch such a stunner. You can imagine what happened, short story I was left alone in 5 minutes. There is a funny detail I will always remember about the incident (details are what get me the most). I had bought the Chang girl a fantastic box of chocolate, not one of these cheap Hershey one, but a a thick gold-like bar of imported chocolate, and left it hanging in a bag on the bike. After the embarrassment left me also (about 30 seconds) I thought I could present it to a different girl, or glaze myself in chocolate for a change of looks, etc. But no, that was gone too, and I believe with the intended recipient!

Anyway H123, I think your girl just wanted to enjoy each other a little longer since she knew it was your last night, probably she had to win over her shyness or act under pressing advice to do that. Also I think that handing her coins wasn't kosher, and that she expected a bit more than 1 K, because that's the amount for which she normally gives fugacious sex in the shop.

[Haven123]

Indeed it's a bit strange that the massage girl showed up unannounced, but it's not something unheard of either. The same happened to me only once, incidentally it was with a massage lady too, but it must have been because of something I had said or implied. Except that in my case I was happily carrying pillion the most beautiful Chang promotion girl you can imagine, or one her friends. Never again during my travels in Thailand I have been able to catch such a stunner. You can imagine what happened, short story I was left alone in 5 minutes. There is a funny detail I will always remember about the incident (details are what get me the most). I had bought the Chang girl a fantastic box of chocolate, not one of these cheap Hershey one, but a a thick gold-like bar of imported chocolate, and left it hanging in a bag on the bike. After the embarrassment left me also (about 30 seconds) I thought I could present it to a different girl, or glaze myself in chocolate for a change of looks, etc. But no, that was gone too, and I believe with the intended recipient!

Anyway H123, I think your girl just wanted to enjoy each other a little longer since she knew it was your last night, probably she had to win over her shyness or act under pressing advice to do that. Also I think that handing her coins wasn't kosher, and that she expected a bit more than 1 K, because that's the amount for which she normally gives fugacious sex in the shop.1. You may have noticed that I had already given her 1000 a few hours before.

2. Last time she came for LT, I asked her how much and she said 2 K. I said ok, no problem and gave her 2500. This time I was actually not ready for this at 6 am, and I gave her almost the same, but it was not really a true overnight. And remember, I was a bit freaked out cause the other girl was supposed to come at 1 pm.

She was quite happy the first time and just as happy this time.

[Old New Guy]

1. You may have noticed that I had already given her 1000 a few hours before.

2. Last time she came for LT, I asked her how much and she said 2 K. I said ok, no problem and gave her 2500. This time I was actually not ready for this at 6 am, and I gave her almost the same, but it was not really a true overnight. And remember, I was a bit freaked out cause the other girl was supposed to come at 1 pm.

She was quite happy the first time and just as happy this time.So 2 K which is plenty, what is that you have not figured out then?

[Haven123]

So 2 K which is plenty, what is that you have not figured out then?Why she came at 6 am and surprised me? ! I actually told her using my iPad and translator that I was actually scared (true, cause I was asleep) and totally nude and I had zero idea who could be knocking on my door at that hour! And, she just waltzed in and asked me if there was lady there, looked around to be sure and then promptly got into bed and under the sheets. Given her shy nature and me having been woken up I was actually a bit dazed. And I had to pack and organize myself, go to Mr Jacks to pick up a watch I had ordered as a gift etc.

Don't get me wrong, I was happy that she came. But if she had come the previous day at 6 am, I would have been in trouble with the other girl in my bed!

Anyways, I checked out and have checked in to my hotel in BKK now ! :-)

[Old New Guy]

Why she came at 6 am and surprised me? Occasion for me to tell of an episode from Cartagena, the town where some hookers raised hell for not being paid by Obama's guards. Less than one hour after a a girl left my room she was back knocking at the door. She claims I had given her less money that agreed. I said how it can be if I gave you the money in hand, you counted it, put in the purse and left right away? She said she don't know but she has less now. All that seemed much less than promising, but with a very firm tone I told her to not mess with me, had her open the purse and check again. The missing money was where she didn't looked, yet she didn't hesitated in blaming me. She kinda apologized, but I made clear that she acted very daft and wrong to me.

[Haven123]

So 2 K which is plenty, what is that you have not figured out then?Upon further thought:

1. I think she was a bit dazed when she arrived like she was a bit lost or had to leave in a hurry from other another customer. Of course maybe she was just sleeping in the massage shop not too far away and when daylight hit she wanted a better place to sleep. She stays with her mom and maybe because of the holiday her mother had some guy over at their apt.

2. Wherever she might have been, she was very happy and feeling safe and sleeping on my left shoulder and chest the entire time.

3. The question for me was, when she left earlier at 915 pm and her massage shop closes at about 11 pm max, so why didn't she just come earlier, like she did before ? Maybe because I at one time had told her I love going to Ibar and insomnia and she said she'd never been. She does not drink one iota, or smoke either. I think her mother has her under somewhat of a close leash.

4. Perhaps she wanted to go to Bkk and her mother said no way and they had an argument. Dunno.

But, I'll remember this as my real deal unique Pattaya experience.

[Old New Guy]

Upon further thought:
1. I think she was a bit dazed when she arrived like she was a bit lost or had to leave in a hurry from other another customer. Of course maybe she was just sleeping in the massage shop not too far away and when daylight hit she wanted a better place to sleep. She stays with her mom and maybe because of the holiday her mother had some guy over at their apt.
I've hinted that before, I think the pressure to surprise visit you again came from the mother. In most cases is the mother that sends a daughter to work in Pattaya, Bangkok or wherever, she expects the money spent to raise the daughter to come back to her, and if there are baby(s) present she will take care of them, but the money must keep coming in. And since they are after the "good" money not the leftovers of a 300 Bt / day salary, they're OK with whatever the daughter does for it.

Also, the girls will happily use the mother as an excuse for pretty much anything, sick mother, I fight with mother, I miss my mother, etc.

[JesseJames1447]

Hey guys,

I don't post all that often. Some of you may know me from Sosua actually, I lived there for several years. Recently I moved back to the states and am trying out some other spots. Pattaya this trip. So far it is off to a bit of a rough start, but I have faith it is going to get better.

Landed Thursday night in BKK. I used AIRBnB to get a 2 bedroom apartment for my traveling buddy and I. They arranged to pick us up at the airport and give us private transport to the apartment in Pattaya for 1,200 THB. I thought that seems to be a pretty good deal. Arrived at about 2 AM, took a shower and quickly unpacked. I was dying to get right out there too it. Headed down to WS at about 2:30 ish and it was flat out dead. Almost abandoned. My thought is what the hell? Almost everything is closed. Nothing walking around except a few LB (no interest there).

I figured to myself. "this cannot be it." My buddy and I are hungry, and even the restaurants are closed so we just stop at McDonalds (turns out the one right by New York diner). I whip out my phone and start researching again, trying to find "something I missed" or look at the map to make sure I was even in the right place. Yeah. It was that bad.

We continued to walk up WS and just see nothing. We are looking at each other and making comments about traveling 28 hours for this? It is about 3:30 am by now and we decide to just go back to the apartment, get on the internet, research research research, and try fresh again later after some sleep.

I had been told for years about this place. And read so many reviews. Something has to be off, I just don't know what the hell.

Next day (still our first day there, just several hours later). We wake back up about 7 am, shower, all that. And decide to go walk around and get the "lay of the land" in daylight so we know our way around. We start by walking up Beach road and start noticing signs about "no liquor sales today" and look at each other trying to figure that out. After a few questions to the locals we figure out it is Buddha day. Go figure. There needs to be a travel advisory about this or something! A no-beer holiday on a Friday? Really? FUCK MAN!

Well this explains why everything was closed on WS and no one was out. Can't drink and all. Apparently it was from midnight to midnight, we we were flat out screwed!

Whatever, we walk all the way up to the Soi 6 area and look around. A few massage places are open, but I don't know which ones are FS and which are not. (are they all? Someone chime in here). And it is still 10 ish in the morning anyway. So we find a place to have breakfast and walk around some more. Hit a Dive shop and plan for a 3-tank dive for the next day (today now). We started using the baht buses to get around, and even asked one of them to show us a good massage place. He showed us a card for honey 1/2 and I thought "OK, I have read about them, lets go check them out at least" so off we went.

He actually took us to a place called "P.P. Body massage" (love the names here sometimes). Is that the same as honey 1/2 ? Anyway, they were just about to open up (it was about 11:45), so we sat on the couch and waited for the fish tank to get some action. 3rd girl to come out was this tall, skinny, perfect size tits, hair down to her ass. Yeah. Exactly my type. I speak up and it is off to the races. So yeah. That is my first soapy ever! Holy shit! I have been missing out on this my whole life so far? I have hear they were "nice". But no one quite prepared me for this experience. WOW! I am going to have to have one of these every day beyond trying to find a LT girl to come stay.

After that we decide to go check out the markets. You know. Get some shot glasses, a nice shirt. Stuff.

Getting hungry again. When to the "American cafe" and had a steak for me burger for him. It was OK. Nothing to write home about tho.

After that we are getting pretty tired so back to the apartment. Plan was to take about a 5 HR nap or so and get back up around 10 or 11 with plans to go out since the drinking ban would be lifted at midnight. Well. I guess we were a lot more tired than we though because were did not open eyes till 4 am. And that was because I had an emergency phone call from home I had to deal with and my friend heard me. Unrelated. It is solved now.

Anyway. Off to go diving here shortly. Diving should be done and back into town by about 4 or 430 ish. At that point I think it will be time for me to get another SOAPY! Oh hell yes!

Tomorrow I think I am going to check out Kinnaree. Would do it today but from what I read it would be a waste based on what time we are getting back to town. They were closed for Buddha day, but I want to check it out. So tomorrow it is.

Guys I am here. Make suggestions. My ears are open and I am ready for the experience! While it is different that Sosua. It is not that different, so it is a feeling at least close to home Plus I am off to a bit of a rough start so time to get going on making this incredible.

Also, anyone else in town? Want to meet of for dinner or something? Is it appropriate to put my whatsapp number here? Or some other method of contact?

Until a bit later.

JesseJames

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[BrockStar]

Hey guys,

I don't post all that often. Some of you may know me from Sosua actually, I lived there for several years. Recently I moved back to the states and am trying out some other spots. Pattaya this trip. So far it is off to a bit of a rough start, but I have faith it is going to get better.

Landed Thursday night in BKK. I used AIRBnB to get a 2 bedroom apartment for my traveling buddy and I. They arranged to pick us up at the airport and give us private transport to the apartment in Pattaya for 1,200 THB. I thought that seems to be a pretty good deal. Arrived at about 2 AM, took a shower and quickly unpacked. I was dying to get right out there too it. Headed down to WS at about 2:30 ish and it was flat out dead. Almost abandoned. My thought is what the hell? Almost everything is closed. Nothing walking around except a few LB (no interest there).

I figured to myself. "this cannot be it." My buddy and I are hungry, and even the restaurants are closed so we just stop at McDonalds (turns out the one right by New York diner). I whip out my phone and start researching again, trying to find "something I missed" or look at the map to make sure I was even in the right place. Yeah. It was that bad.Yeah, the Buddha days are always slow. I don't know about Pattaya, but in BKK the saving grace is Pat Pong. They still serve booze and have girls, they just don't advertise their drink specials. Freelancers should be out on those days, but not at 230 am. I think it really is the time you arrived more than Pattaya being lame. I was there two weeks ago and had a blast. Don't worry, it will get better!

[Eric Swiss]

Next day (still our first day there, just several hours later). We wake back up about 7 am, shower, all that. And decide to go walk around and get the "lay of the land" in daylight so we know our way around. We start by walking up Beach road and start noticing signs about "no liquor sales today" and look at each other trying to figure that out. After a few questions to the locals we figure out it is Buddha day. Go figure. There needs to be a travel advisory about this or something! A no-beer holiday on a Friday? Really? FUCK MAN!There is a travel advisory here:

http://www.boomboomme.com/resources/holidays/thailand/

I have found that site to be extremely accurate at predicting closures.

[Old New Guy]

I have found that site to be extremely accurate at predicting closures.Not on this occasion. Venues on Walking street were closed yesterday and today. Virtually the only exceptions were Marine Disco (open both nights), and Insomnia, which was open today but only until 5 am. Per calendar doesn't make sense.

[Haven123]

Dude, IMO, you are going to love Pattaya way more than Sosua. It has a lot more options, but the young good looking girls have way too many options too, with monthly, LT sponsors.

In the DR (not Sosua though, as most of my girls will not come to or hate being seen in Sosua), I just find a heck of a lot of young GFE non pros and semi pros living in Pto Pta. A bit more difficult to find that in Patts. But I am pretty much a Pattaya newbie. Also, in Pto Pta I enjoy taking a chick to an inclusive resort like Lifestyle for a few days at about $115. / night for 2, all inclusive (low season). I don't see such options in Pattaya.

And, Pattaya right now, is way, way more hotter and the humidity kills me.

1. If you haven't already I would spend some time in Ibar and Insomnia (their attached restaurant is also very good IMO). IBar (lower level) is a tad bit like the old the Latins in Sosua. Insomnia can be a back up later at night, and is way better than Classicos in Sosua. The other place I think you will really like is 808. Very Classicos type of vibe. But, the layout is quite poor IMO. So, I preferred Insomnia just because of that.

2. Of course, there are no Gogos or soapies or Pattaya style massage places in the DR. If you like the Pattaya style beer bars then you will have a feast of girls to choose from. But, they all prefer ST mostly (and I don't care at all for ST).

3. For food, I would definitely head out the Central Festival mall for their myriad of food options. Very, very good IMO. And also a great grocery store there. Also, a great place to people watch in an AC environment.

4. Pattaya can be very transactional as the hot, young girls have lots of options with many, many guys after them. In the DR, particularly in Pto Pta most of the girls have very few non-Dominican men options. So, there are some differences, IMO.

5. I think you'd like Kinnaree during the day. Banana Boi is the Kinnaree expert and I would take his recommendation and get there by 1 pm. By 3 pm most of the top girls are taken / busy.

Finally, I suggest you PM, Mr. ENT (also a DR and Sosua expert) for great info and Banana Boi about Kinnaree and other daytime options.

Btw, re shopping, if you like high quality ( made in Taiwan) fake brand name watches, then I suggest Mr. Jacks on Soi Buakhao, at the intersection of Central RD ( I think that's what it's called ). Also, I don't think you can really bargain the prices at Mr. Jacks, like you probably can at MBK mall in BKK ( Mr Jack opens up each watch to check its all good and gives you his own in store warranty ). I bought a few for gifts ( as I don't wear a watch anymore ). They can cost anywhere from 2000 Baht to nearly 6000 baht each depending on the brand and model that is being copied.

Enjoy! Good Luck!

[Old New Guy]

Since that place has been mentioned twice with comparison, I want to share my recollection of it, from few years back (I don't think it has changed much). So people that has never been there will get an idea about what they're missing.

It is not really a town, more like a spread-out village of decrepit or uncompleted buildings. Perhaps the best way to describe it is four dusty roads crossing. Like most of the DR there is no infrastructure to speech of, shops and restaurants are dirty holes in the wall, public transportation consists of overloaded, old small vans, or taxi bikes.

As a welcome gesture one girl took few dollars from a pocket or something. Fortunately she didn't go for the big prize, or I was quick enough to come out from the shower. I don't remember if I went to Classico or where else, but my guess is that there are maybe 2 or 3 places, which were all equally scary both in terms of setup and female attractiveness.

I lasted one night before running to Samana' (by guagua, which can be fun just for a first time), which was only marginally better; I was still mugged within 1 minute of entering a disco by a girl pretending of dancing with me.

People has to carry guns, doors and windows are all grated, police is dangerous, males are often aggressive, and the entire country seems to be build on the exploitation Haitian labor. A Russian mafia guy once told me that he was kept hostage three months in the mountains over some dispute. Strangely, I tend to believe him. To be fair, the nature, beaches (in the North) and weather were wonderful, but that's pretty much it.

The interesting thing is that I speak Spanish, love to listen and dance salsa, merengue and bachata, dig local food (even if they don't have much to offer really), but that is not enough for me to get along with the place.

[Uncle Volodya]

...and Insomnia, which was open today but only until 5 am. Per calendar doesn't make sense.How many of these kind s of things really do make sense in the LOS? There is always a loophole, exception, or interpretation that some enterprising Thai is trying to take advantage of.

The place is always entertaining (unless you are trying to run a business there yourself). 555.

[JesseJames1447]

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That being said, day to had not started out to be much better. But for different reasons. We had booked diving today (I am a cert. Dive master from my time living in sosua and Pto Pta DR). So first we found a nice little place near Soi 12 (where the dive shop is) to have breakfast. Cheap american breakfast for 90 thb (see, not capitalizing even the money like you are supposed too). Then it was off to the dive shop. Today there was a huge triathlon to be happening all day long so we where scheduled to be taken about 45 minutes south on a bus for different dive sites. The first one was to be a shipwreck about 80 to 100 feet down. We start going down and there is a fair current and nearly no visibility. About 15 minutes into the dive, I check my guages and look back up and my buddy, or anyone else for that matter, is no where to be seen. I am on my own in a shipwreck with almost no visibility and a current. Great. So I begin to panic a bit and have to close my eyes and remember my training for a moment. Made it back to the surfacing rope and headed back to the dive boat alone. Possibly the most scared I remember being.

My buddy and the dive master talked me into getting right back in for a 2nd and 3rd dive to get over the physiological thing. Which I did. And they were nice. Yet still poor visibility and not much life to look at. All in all. Thailand sucks for diving. Even if you do not consider my bit of trauma.

Back in the apartment now. About to take a shower, have a beer, and maybe nap for an hour or 2. Then. I believe it is time to go get another soapie. That should fix my day right up. After that, it is Friday night so I want to go check out some of the go-gos now that they are back open. Maybe insomnia too. I would love to find a LT to come snuggle up to me all night.

Anyway. Hopefully it will start going better quickly. Its has to right? After all, I have hears too many good things about here for my whole trip to be like this.

More later. Of course.

JesseJames

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[Haven123]

Since that place has been mentioned twice with comparison, I want to share my recollection of it, from few years back (I don't think it has changed much). So people that has never been there will get an idea about what they're missing.

It is not really a town, more like a spread-out village of decrepit or uncompleted buildings. Perhaps the best way to describe it is four dusty roads crossing. Like most of the DR there is no infrastructure to speech of, shops and restaurants are dirty holes in the wall, public transportation consists of overloaded, old small vans, or taxi bikes.

As a welcome gesture one girl took few dollars from a pocket or something. Fortunately she didn't go for the big prize, or I was quick enough to come out from the shower. I don't remember if I went to Classico or where else, but my guess is that there are maybe 2 or 3 places, which were all equally scary both in terms of setup and female attractiveness.

I lasted one night before running to Samana' (by guagua, which can be fun just for a first time), which was only marginally better; I was still mugged within 1 minute of entering a disco by a girl pretending of dancing with me.

People has to carry guns, doors and windows are all grated, police is dangerous, males are often aggressive, and the entire country seems to be build on the exploitation Haitian labor. A Russian mafia guy once told me that he was kept hostage three months in the mountains over some dispute. Strangely, I tend to believe him. To be fair, the nature, beaches (in the North) and weather were wonderful, but that's pretty much it.

The interesting thing is that I speak Spanish, love to listen and dance salsa, merengue and bachata, dig local food (even if they don't have much to offer really), but that is not enough for me to get along with the place.For whatever reason, I think you have / had bad karma.

I've spent about 4-5 months in total in San Felipe de Puerto Plata and Sosua during the last 3 years. I have had zero (0) incidents of any kind happen to me.

The infrastructure is poor, the schools and education system incredibly poor, . But Sosua has at least 5 excellent restaurants with great construction and quality furnishings and ambiance. Baileys is outstanding. Interestingly, I think at least 3, maybe 4 of them are owned by Italians (who make up the number one expat ( Canadians being number 2) population in Sosua and in Costambar (in San Felipe de Puerto Plata).

The DR is the NUMBER one destination for North American tourists in the entire Caribbean. I have been fortunate to visit some of the great all inclusive resorts in the world, in my life, and the Lifestyle resorts in Puerto Plata (with 6 different hotel sub brands within it) are probably the best value of any all inclusive resort in the entire Caribbean and Mexico. And, IMO, (not all Dominicans) many of the chicas I have met in the Puerto Plata area are some of the nicest, pleasant girls I have ever met and several have spent more than 3 nights with me, with no incidents of any kind. Yeah, I think karma is a bi (t) ch.

[Mr Enternational]

Also, anyone else in town? Want to meet of for dinner or something? Is it appropriate to put my whatsapp number here? Or some other method of contact?I am in town, but you have to pay the membership fee in order to exchange info by private message.

[Mr Enternational]

Btw, re shopping, if you like high quality ( made in Taiwan) fake brand name watches, then I suggest Mr. Jacks on Soi Buakhao, at the intersection of Central RD ( I think that's what it's called ). Also, I don't think you can really bargain the prices at Mr. Jacks, like you probably can at MBK mall in BKK ( Mr Jack opens up each watch to check its all good and gives you his own in store warranty ). I bought a few for gifts ( as I don't wear a watch anymore ). They can cost anywhere from 2000 Baht to nearly 6000 baht each depending on the brand and model that is being copied. I take my watches there to be repaired if I have had them a long time. If not, then I just take them back to my watch guy and he gets them fixed for free. I am a hard bargainer and you are right about Mr. Jacks. The last time I was in there to get a watch repaired, I was looking for a new watch for my aunt. The lady who was helping me would not bargain for shit.

And take my word, the watches in there are way overpriced. The most I have ever paid is 4000 baht, and that was for that special Rolex diving watch. Other than that most super copies should not cost you any more than 3000 baht. 2500 if you know how to bargain. But 6000 baht, never ever ever. The lady wanted 5000 for the one I was trying to buy for my aunt. I could get that type of ladies watch from my guy for 2000. I always laugh when I go to my guy and he has a group of Russians in there because I know they are about to get the shaft. I can't discuss prices in front of them so I will just point one out and he will say the usual and I will give him 2500.

I remember when OJ Simpson was sued by the Goldman family and they wanted to take his Rolex watch. The watch ended up being a supercopy and was appraised for $100. No dealer back in the States has ever been able to tell the difference under normal scrutiny with the ones me or my friends have purchased in Thailand. Maybe if they took it apart or did a close examination they could. Whatever you do, don't buy an el cheapo from the guys walking around the street selling them.

[Mr Enternational]

As usual got to the airport and went upstairs and outside to cross over to the taxis who have dropped people off. I told the first driver that I was going to Pattaya and he said 1000. I countered with 900. He said okay. I jumped inside. The time was 9:35pm.

He was going 120 km/hr for most of the way. We came upon an accident right past Sri Racha, so traffic was backed up a little. I would say it took us from 5 to 10 minutes to creep up to the front. It was weird. Maybe the car rear ended the pickup. See fotos.

He stopped for gas and went into the store. He brought a Coca-Cola to me which I declined. At 11:08pm we pulled up to my building. He had the meter running the entire way. 1101 baht ended up being the fare by meter. So some of you guys who are paying 1500 baht to get from the airport may want to pay by meter instead. Of course there is 60 baht for the 2 tolls as well (30 baht each), but I roll all of that into my 900 baht offer. I always leave them with 1000 baht though.

[Uncle Volodya]

As usual got to the airport and went upstairs and outside to cross over to the taxis who have dropped people off. I told the first driver that I was going to Pattaya and he said 1000. I countered with 900. He said okay. I jumped inside. The time was 9:35pm.

He was going 120 km/hr for most of the way. We came upon an accident right past Sri Racha, so traffic was backed up a little. I would say it took us from 5 to 10 minutes to creep up to the front. It was weird. Maybe the car rear ended the pickup. See fotos.

He stopped for gas and went into the store. He brought a Coca-Cola to me which I declined. At 11:08pm we pulled up to my building. He had the meter running the entire way. 1101 baht ended up being the fare by meter. So some of you guys who are paying 1500 baht to get from the airport may want to pay by meter instead. Of course there are 60 baht in tolls as well, but I roll all of that into my 900 baht offer.

Welcome back Mr. E!

Thanks for the tip. I use Mr. Virach.

http://www.pattayataxi.info/

They are always waiting for me when I get out of customs and it's always a flat fee of 1000 baht.

I usually tip the guy 50-60 baht for his trouble.

I guess I could save 150 Baht, but I have been using them for years.

Its part of my ritual, I guess. Its nice to be greeted by a friendly face after a long flight.

A few trips ago they had a nice looking (but a bit older) girl waiting for me who was organizing the drivers. It was her birthday so I dug into my luggage and gave her one of the souvenirs I'd brought to give to my girls. She was beaming. I got her number but never ended up calling her.

And they always have a nice new spacious car where I can stretch out and get some rest.

[Haven123]

As usual got to the airport and went upstairs and outside to cross over to the taxis who have dropped people off. I told the first driver that I was going to Pattaya and he said 1000. I countered with 900. He said okay. I jumped inside. The time was 9:35pm.

He was going 120 km/hr for most of the way. We came upon an accident right past Sri Racha, so traffic was backed up a little. I would say it took us from 5 to 10 minutes to creep up to the front. It was weird. Maybe the car rear ended the pickup. See fotos.

He stopped for gas and went into the store. He brought a Coca-Cola to me which I declined. At 11:08pm we pulled up to my building. He had the meter running the entire way. 1101 baht ended up being the fare by meter. So some of you guys who are paying 1500 baht to get from the airport may want to pay by meter instead. Of course there is 60 baht for the 2 tolls as well (30 baht each), but I roll all of that into my 900 baht offer. I always leave them with 1000 baht though.That's pretty good Mr. Ent. I am super impressed. Really!

Although I now know why you are such a successful bargainer. It's because you are pretty famous! Well, you are pretty for sure and famous here on these boards! You rock!

[Pute Nut]

That's pretty good Mr. Ent. I am super impressed. Really!

Although I now know why you are such a successful bargainer. It's because you are pretty famous! Well, you are pretty for sure and famous here on these boards! You rock!900 is easily attainable, just make yourself immune to cheapskate insults, it's just part of the game to milk farang and many westerners are afraid of being labeled cheap. If ride goes smooth, don't be a dipstick pay 1 K, just like he did.

I have had ZERO problems with this, EXCEPT when I had a Thai lady meet me at airport who did all kinds of crap, including trying to tip the driver with her own (yeah right) money. Lesson learned.

I think the wholesale rate BKK-PTY is somewhere around 800 if some readers from hard bargaining nations want to explore the rock bottom, I don't.

[Old New Guy]

All in all. Thailand sucks for diving. Even if you do not consider my bit of trauma.
Not at all, it's just Pattaya that is a poor location. Just browse your usual diving sites and you will see the other locations, some are breathtaking.

I wanted to take training at the same friendly shop but I gave up on doing that in Pattaya because prices are higher and the environment is nothing special.

[Ricflairt]

I had been to Pattaya in Dec. Had a good time honey 1 but honey 2 proved to be a waste of money. Go to honey check in get the number of the chick and call her to hotel is the cheapest way.

Normal girls take 2000 baht for a night and 1000 baht for boom boom one shot.

I went along with my friends.

Now I feel like visiting once more. Is it safe traveling there alone. Any tips on that?

[Ricflairt]

Not at all, it's just Pattaya that is a poor location. Just browse your usual diving sites and you will see the other locations, some are breathtaking.

I wanted to take training at the same friendly shop but I gave up on doing that in Pattaya because prices are higher and the environment is nothing special.Is it safe to travel to Pattaya alone ?

[Old New Guy]

Is it safe to travel to Pattaya alone ?What are you talking about? My post is about diving.


I went along with my friends.Are you Indian? Are you afraid of.. what exactly?

[Christian G]

I had been to Pattaya in Dec. Had a good time honey 1 but honey 2 proved to be a waste of money. Go to honey check in get the number of the chick and call her to hotel is the cheapest way.
Normal girls take 2000 baht for a night and 1000 baht for boom boom one shot.
I went along with my friends.
Now I feel like visiting once more. Is it safe traveling there alone. Any tips on that?You been in Pattaya already, so where is the problem to travel alone? Probably Thailand and Pattaya is the safest place for travel alone.

[Old New Guy]

You been in Pattaya already, so where is the problem to travel alone? Probably Thailand and Pattaya is the safest place for travel alone.Yes. There is a point worth to mention anyway: always buy travel insurance. It saved my ass once already. Shit happens.

[Christian G]

It saved my ass once already. Shit happens.Saved my ass too! Hospitalized six days for Dengue fever in Phuket.

[Mr Enternational]

The first one was to be a shipwreck about 80 to 100 feet down. We start going down and there is a fair current and nearly no visibility. About 15 minutes into the dive, I check my guages and look back up and my buddy, or anyone else for that matter, is no where to be seen. I am on my own in a shipwreck with almost no visibility and a current. Great. So I begin to panic a bit and have to close my eyes and remember my training for a moment. Made it back to the surfacing rope and headed back to the dive boat alone. Possibly the most scared I remember being.

My buddy and the dive master talked me into getting right back in for a 2nd and 3rd dive to get over the physiological thing. Which I did. And they were nice. Yet still poor visibility and not much life to look at. All in all. Thailand sucks for diving. Even if you do not consider my bit of trauma.LOL. You should have asked first. To get good diving in Thailand you have to go on a liveaboard. At least you got to see the ship. When I went down I could not even see it. We went down getting ready to follow the di emaster and a student, and like you said they were gone in the blink of an eye. In Pattaya you can not see your hand in front of you. If you want better visibility in these parts then you have to go to Sattahip. I have been diving in Pattaya, Phuket, Krabi. And since I almost lost a foot in Koh Tao last September, I have decided that Thailand is not a safe place to dive and have taken all of my equipment back stateside. It seems like someone dies from diving in Thailand almost every week.

[JesseJames1447]

Well shit! Yes that is an appropriate way to start.

We came back from diving exhausted. Stopped at the 7/11 and got a couple pepsis and beers for the apartment. My buddy headed for the shower as I was typing the day 2 report. When he came out I said I really need a nap. It is about 5:30 pm. The plan was to nap for 3 or 4 hours and head out at "prime time". Yeah well. Eyes opened back up at 4 am. Must have needed it badly. So dammit. Another night shot to hell.

OK, I have had enough of this! It is 7:30 in the morning now. I just paid for a subscription here (Mr. ENT you have a PM with my contact info). I am hoping to meet up with Mr. Ent at some point today, but not the end of the world if that does not happen. Either way, my current plan is to head out here shortly and go find some breakfast. Bast on the suggestion in the replies, I am going to walk up Soi burkow (spelling apology) and see what is there. Sounds like there might be plenty, and if not, I have a couple places I know already. After that we are going to do a bit of shopping and try to find some various things. Magnets, pins,. And I think I am going to check out the tailors and see if I can get a custom silk shirt made up. We met a local guy (well, lives here but from NY) yesterday that gave us a tip about the shirt. He says to ask the taylor for a tiny sample of the material and light it on fire with your lighter. If it drips, that is no good (part or mostly polyester) but if it burns nicely then that is real silk. Great tip!

After that. By god. My plan is to go to Kinnaree right at noon. I am freaking starving today, so some good food will be welcomed. I have read it is good there. Plus by the time we eat and have a couple of beers, it should be around 1 ish and time to see the good girls according to what I have read here. Here is to hoping.

Regardless of if that works out or not (fingers crossed for a super-hottie), the next part of the plan is for a massage (maybe regular, maybe full-body soapie depending on how things went at kinnaree). Either way I got get some ass at least twice today. I would sure like to find an overnight tonight too. Point being, I am hungry, horny, and ready for this trip to get off its ass and get started. Sounds like a plan to me (well, a plan to plan minimally).

Mr. Ent. Drop a line if ya can. Would love to meet up with ya. First couple of beers are on me! If anyone else is in town, PM me. Lets get together and make this happen!

More later,

JesseJames

[Uncle Volodya]

LOL. You should have asked first. To get good diving in Thailand you have to go on a liveaboard. At least you got to see the ship. When I went down I could not even see it. We went down getting ready to follow the di emaster and a student, and like you said they were gone in the blink of an eye. In Pattaya you can not see your hand in front of you. If you want better visibility in these parts then you have to go to Sattahip. I have been diving in Pattaya, Phuket, Krabi. And since I almost lost a foot in Koh Tao last September, I have decided that Thailand is not a safe place to dive and have taken all of my equipment back stateside. It seems like someone dies from diving in Thailand almost every week.I got my PADI certificate at Mermaids in Jomtien. Really nice folks and they organized a nice dive trip.

But yeah, visibility in Patts totally sucks. I was hoping to get into diving so I could use it as an alibi for my trips. But its really not worth it in these waters.

Now when I tell my colleagues that I went to Thailand to "dive" I am really talking about muff diving. 555.

[Crazy666]

I will be in pattaya on 29th may. I would like to meet some of you guys here. This is my 4th visit to pattaya, and 2nd visit of this year. If anyone want to meet up, PM me.

[Old New Guy]

Now when I tell my colleagues that I went to Thailand to "dive" I am really talking about muff diving. 555.Man I've used that joke for years at the office, 555. This time I wanted to do it for real because my first time in the Bahamas many years ago was an unforgettable experience. But because of what has been said I'll happily pass and stick to muff diving.

Speaking of which, yesterday at I around 5 am downstair already one pretty, tall dark skinned 25 yrs come close to me, she looked a bit like the Aom about which I wrote before, but with added glasses. A good 7 1/2 overall. I invited her for a beer and she was there with this quiet attitude, a little liquored perhaps but still well into her senses. As soon she spoke (good english, "I only come here sometime") I knew how it would have ended.

She wanted to me to say a figure, which I did, 2 K long time. Of course it was not what she would have liked, which not surprisingly was 3 K. I shook my head slightly, kept smiling and did not talk much. She suggested that 2 K perhaps could have been right for short time. In her dreams I thought, and kept smiling. It took a good time for her to realize it was no deal, thank me for my offer (no sarcasm was used, it would have been out of place) and move back to the wall, I was happy that she didn't took my offer, it was not like she sent a lot of good signals beside good manners.

Before leaving I wanted to check something about one tall dark blonde with an hot body that is resident downstairs. She is almost pretty with high cheekbones, Thai with an hint of central Asia and some acne, I never saw her with a customer. She acts totally stupid all the time with another friend uglier than her, neither one has ever looked to my side. The type "young or bust". I suggested that perhaps it was the right time to know each other. She replied right away that she wanted 5 K, which probably she doesn't realize it speaks worse about herself than a simple decline. I laughed loudly and left. From now on everytime I see her I'll say "ha pan" and laugh.

[Haven123]

I take my watches there to be repaired if I have had them a long time. If not, then I just take them back to my watch guy and he gets them fixed for free. I am a hard bargainer and you are right about Mr. Jacks. The last time I was in there to get a watch repaired, I was looking for a new watch for my aunt. The lady who was helping me would not bargain for shit.

And take my word, the watches in there are way overpriced. The most I have ever paid is 4000 baht, and that was for that special Rolex diving watch. Other than that most super copies should not cost you any more than 3000 baht. 2500 if you know how to bargain.Well, Mr. ENT the ones I bought were the Omega Seamaster (Men's) the 007 edition, steel band, with the sweeping second hand, and water proof to 30 m (if I remember right) for 3000 baht. And the ladies Tag Hauer (FORMULA 1 edition) gold and black with fake diamonds both around and on each hour, also waterproof, for 2500 Baht.

BTW, I just got back from MBK and checked out the 3rd floor 'copy watch' sellers and it's all pretty much crap. There was a good leather strap Patek Philippe that the guy started off at 3,800. Went to 3,200. I came in at 2,000 and stayed there. He finally came to 2,200 and I said OK 2,100 and he spoke to another guy there and then he passed! BTW, I believe all these fake watch vendors at MBK are all from Burma. Either one head guy at the top or some sort of extended family gig and they bring in other Burmese to run it. I'm glad I didn't end up buying there.

I am a bit of an old hand (pun intended), at the fake watch thing, having learned a thing or two from back in the late 80's in Itaewon(o) in Seoul. They made great shit even then. All those watches still work after about 25-27 years!

The good thing IMO about Mr. Jack is that he gets them from Taiwan (vs, MBK I doubt is high quality copy) and he has all of them loaded on to an IPad mini so I can zoom in to look for imperfections on the face etc, and also use their watch repair mangnifying glass (the same one jewelers use for assessing diamond quality) to look at the actual watch.

( P.S.: I checked out Bangkok Arts and Cultural Center across from MBK and it's a waste of time. )

[Old New Guy]

( P.S.: I checked out Bangkok Arts and Cultural Center across from MBK and it's a waste of time. )But at least they display original pieces rather than a shallow statement of pretentious falseness.

[Haven123]

But at least they display original pieces rather than pretentious falseness.I'm not sure I understand! BACC has no display pieces, original or otherwise. Only art on the circular walls going round and round floor to door. Everything is just there. There is no exhibit hall. No tickets to buy etc. When I went they had a special photo journalism series of exhibits about the UN refugee program and a good photo art of the Aceh in Indonesia sponsored by the Govt of Australia.

[Uncle Volodya]

BTW, I just got back from MBK and checked out the 3rd floor 'copy watch' sellers and it's all pretty much crap. There was a good leather strap Patek Philippe that the guy started off at 3,800. Went to 3,200. I came in at 2,000 and stayed there. He finally came to 2,200 and I said OK 2,100 and he spoke to another guy there and then he passed! BTW, I believe all these fake watch vendors at MBK are all from Burma. Either one head guy at the top or some sort of extended family gig and they bring in other Burmese to run it. I'm glad I didn't end up buying there.

I don't know much about the fakes at MBK, but there is a great store that sells watch straps, Project Time. Paco Zone on Level 6 (all the way at the far end of the building).

They have and amazing selection of leather, rubber, and the popular NATO straps -- the cloth kind that is on the new Omega from the latest Bond Move Specter. It's designed for divers watches and is big enough so that it can fit over a wet suit. Though now its just really a fashionable thing. Everyoen uses their dive computer these days anyway.

But still kind of cool.

[Old New Guy]

I don't know much about the fakes at MBKI've visited some mid-level watch shop in Pattaya and there is a decent selection of brands and models, with Seiko and Orient of course being prominent among mechanical ones. Prices are high compared to the USA, but not so much to EU or other high tax countries. When buying with a tax receipt there's a 5% rebate when leaving. For some regional models (Thai Seiko Monster) it wouldn't be a totally crazy purchase.

I did't saw any fakes at the mall and not even at Soi Buakhao and Central junction. Thailand has recently started some enforcing against counterfeiting, crushing the seized lots to dispose of these indignities. If we were talking about homage watches it would be different, as it perfectly possibly to have style in economy without trying to deceive anyone.

[Haven123]

I don't know much about the fakes at MBK, but there is a great store that sells watch straps, Project Time. Paco Zone on Level 6 (all the way at the far end of the building).

They have and amazing selection of leather, rubber, and the popular NATO straps -- the cloth kind that is on the new Omega from the latest Bond Move Specter. It's designed for divers watches and is big enough so that it can fit over a wet suit. Though now its just really a fashionable thing. Everyoen uses their dive computer these days anyway.

But still kind of cool.Both in Pattaya and MBK they don't actually display copy watches and you have ask for them. And then most of the stuff at Mr. Jacks you have to order from the iPad mini choices and they will be available in 1-2 days. They are not kept on premises.

[JesseJames1447]

So right after the last post, my buddy and I headed up Soi bukkhoh (bad spelling I am sure) based on advice from the previous day. Found a restaurant serving breakfast (Witherspoon) and ate 2 plates each. OK, now we are fully rested and fully fed. About that time my Whatsapp dings. It's Me. Ent! Yay! He suggests meeting up later for steak night at the golf club. Absolutely!

We continue to walk around and check various stuff out while making our way down to beach Road. Its only about 10 am, but hell with it, I sure would like to have my first beer here, so we find a little bar facing the ocean and order up. We notice some girls hanging out on the other side of the road by the back and I get to thinking "I wonder if those girls are working? I am across the street so I casually take a picture as I am using my phone and send it of to Mr. Ent. With the question. He says "yeah, go offer 500 thb". So I walk over to this particularly cute skinny small looking one. Exchange names and she says 700. But. My gay-dar is tingling, so I politely ask "are you a girl"? Head shakes no. Fuck! It is a LB. Up to this point I have been (or thought I have been able) to spot them easily. This was the first one I was unsure of. But I read here somewhere that as long as you are respectful and ask, they will be respectful and answer. That seems to be true. I said I was not interested and went to let my buddy have a good laugh at me.

On down beach road a bit I spot a taylor so I drop in to check out what fabric they have (interested in a silk shit and all). I shoot another message to Ent about reasonable price. He replies not to mess with it. He has a guy. Then follows with "where you at exactly, I got to go to my taylor anyway, I can meet ya in 5 minutes. " Perfect! He ended up taking us to his watch guy (got a nice fake Rolex, and my buddy a nice face omega), then to the taylor. Price was right, ended up ordering 6 shirts and 2 pants. Supposed to go back for fitting today.

About noon by this time. Ent. Has some errand to go run, so we figure it is about time to check out Kinnaree anyway. Off we go.

I must say. I like Kinaree. They have good American music going, food was cooking. There where aprox. 5 guys (including us) and 10 or so girls. My friend and I get approached almost immediately and we talk to them a bit over a beer. We did buy them each one lady drink. I have read "super expensive" which I guess is a relevant term. Depends on your attitude and budget. It was 120 thb for her drink, my beer was 85. As we waited around only about 15 minutes, we decided we had actually gotten luck and the 2 we had were the hottest of the bunch. So off to the room. Got an OK attempt at a massage and pretty good service. When I emerged from the room my friend was already waiting on me. I looked around and the number of girls had more than doubled. There were some super hotties there now for sure. Going to have to return.

Just about this time got a message from Mr. Ent. Again. "come to the market and pick up girls with me and the guys". Bet, lets do this.

The market was cool. Food and drinks are about as cheap as it gets, and all the girls are coming here to get dinner-to-go before heading off to work for the night.

Then it is about 5:30 pm-ish so we head toward steak night (love those). Ate dinner and was feeling sleepy again (oh no, not this again). We all made an agreement to set our alarms for 1 am and go to WS for some clubbing action.

Alarm goes off at 1 am, and Mr. Ent. Calls at 1:03 am. "where ya at man? Get your ass up! Time to go to the club!" LOL. Got it, on my way.

We meet up at 808 and he has already claimed a great spot my the restrooms in the entryway to the dance floor. Some weird shit happened, still not quite sure what it was, but they shut down the music for a while and turned on the lights as the police were looking for something. Looked like a drug-sweep maybe. My buddy and I said we would be back and went for a walk up and down WS to see the sights since it was actually open now and not Bhudda day. When we return the club is going full steam again. Mr. Ent give me tips. "just grab one and tell her she is going with you tonight". Bet. Found one that fit my tastes, smiled at her as she is exiting the bathroom. She came over and its on! Dancing her little butt on my crotch, holding hands, the whole thing. We hang out a bit longer and back to the apartment.

So. Finally! A good day and night. That is much better! Almost 11 am now, heading out for breakfast and to start it again.

More later.

JesseJames

[Aussie Fella]

I find this amusing. Now leaving the resort I'll ask the reception where I can find Tu. If they don't know I'll ask security, and so on with the entire Pattaya population (150,000) if necessary.

Unless you expected to be contacted in PM about Tu's fantastic deals.My post must have been edited as I included his phone number and that I'd met him on Soi 7. I'm not sure why these details were cut out. Nonetheless, I'd have thought the information on applicable rates would be of assistance to anyone looking to buy these products, whether from Tu or anyone else.

[LosAddict]

I've been a longtime lurker on the Pattaya as well as other forums on this site and feel like it's about time I finally give something back to the community that has helped me on my journey to becoming a bonafide mongering addict. LOL. I've been to Thailand about a dozen times now, as well as a handful of other Asian countries and will post my experiences on those forums accordingly. I'll try my best to keep this post informative & filled with tips so that newbies as well as experienced mongers can take a little something away from it. Special thanks to Mr. Enternational and Uncle V whose posts I have followed religiously as well as many other members whose names I can't recall now. Thanks to all you guys for your contributions!

I landed in Bangkok pretty late so decided to spend the night before heading to Pattaya the next day.

*TIP: The bus service a floor down from arrivals has buses heading straight to Pattaya for a nominal price of 120 baht. Hourly departures until 12 am After midnight, if you are still keen on heading straight to Pattaya, taxis can be taken for 1300-1400 baht for which you have to negotiate directly with the taxi driver. There are usually people lingering around the bus ticket counter area who will gladly split a cab with you as they have also most likely missed the last bus for the day.

Next day, after some much needed rest and a visit to Natarees massage (will discuss on BKK forum), I head over to Ekkamai bus station and buy a one way ticket to Pattaya for a nominal price of 108 baht. It takes about 2 hours by bus to get there. I hop on a tuk tuk heading towards Beach Road.

*TIP: If you don't have too much luggage, the BTS goes to Ekkamai station from where you can take one of the exits straight to the bus stop. Super convenient and super cheap. If you do have luggage take a cab which is not very expensive either. Once in Pattaya, the tuk tuks standing around at the bus stop usually charge more than the regular tuk tuks. If you exit the bus stop, cross the street and wave down a tuk tuk heading towards Beach Roach, you can catch a ride for the regular 10 baht fare. Also, I noticed a lot of newbies asking tuk tuks for rides & prices and getting way over quoted. Never ever ask a tuk tuk in Pattaya the price of a ride; you will almost always get over quoted. Just hop on a tuk tuk heading in the direction you want to go, and act like you know the drill. Push the buzzer, get off where you want, hand the driver 10 baht and be on your way. If the driver deviates from where you need to go just jump off and catch another tuk tuk heading in your desired direction. Trust me, this will save you a ton of baht. Get a SIM at the airport for around 300 baht with the Internet plan and use google maps if need be. But don't ask tuk tuks for directions & prices. This sets off a newbie alert in their brains and there is no telling what they will try to hustle you for.

I pick up a few beers and a sandwich at a 7/11 near my hotel, check in, freshen up, and hit the streets by 7:30 pm I do a walk by of Soi 6 as I'm staying nearby so I figured I might as well check out the talent. Saw some lookers and made some mental notes but didn't stop as it was my first night and I had my mind set on Walking Street. I get to Beach Road, jump on a tuk tuk and off we go. I was scoping out the talent on Beach Road as we drove by and although the street pickup scene is not generally my thing, I must say I did see some spinners this time around. For the prices quoted on this forum (500-800ST) it might actually be worth a go. Anyways I get to WS, first stop Alcatraz gogo. Semi-decent lineup, nothing to write home about. Ordered a drink, a girl came over and sat next to me (as they do) and started with the "buy me drink" hustle (as they do). As a rookie, I would to entertain this request; now I know better. If you're feeling the chic, and think there is a good chance you will take her home, then by all means treat her to a lady drink or two. However, my advice to newbies would be don't feel obligated to buy the first girl that sits next to you a drink. Tell them to wait. Chat a bit first. Feel them out and take it from there. If they get bitchy or develop an attitude, drop them like a brick and move on, because believe you me, these chics are just looking for a sucker to treat like an ATM machine and if they pick up on weakness, they will take advantage. Anyways, I think the barfine quoted at the time was 1500, ST was 2500, LT was 4000 (way too much IMHO). This is pretty much standard with the top tier gogos these days on WS. After 12, the barfine drops to 800-1000, ST 1500-2000, LT anywhere from 2500-4000 depending on your negotiating skills, how many drinks you've bought for the chic, and how much she is into you.

*TIP: I've found that the later you wait, the more drinks the girls have had = the drunker they are. They may quote you a cheaper price later in the night, however, drunk girls, like drunk guys, can't perform worth shit (in my experience at least). I know this isn't rocket science; just a friendly reminder. Some of these girls are really good at covering up how drunk they actually are so buyer beware!

So I leave Alcatraz after my drink, hit up a few more of the top tier gogos e. G. Skyfall, Sensations for drinks only, chat a bit with a few of the ladies (without buying most a drink, however I must admit in a moment of weakness, I did buy a young cutie in Skyfall a lady drink), and of course, I always enjoy the eye candy of semi-dressed girls (completely nude in some gogos), dancing 10 feet away from your face. I'd also like to add that I'm not saying to go into a gogo and be cheap charlie and never offer to buy a lady drink. You actually can't call a lady over from the stage unless you are going to buy her a drink to chat / negotiate. All I'm saying is these girls are trained to bleed you dry on the lady drinks so you should really be pretty sure about the chic before you start spending top dollar on her. Be smart about it and try not to stick around the gogo if you've made up your mind. Take her out, hit up one of the nightclubs for happy hour or grab a few drinks from 7/11 or Family Mart on your way back to the hotel. I'm not judging or lecturing; just my 2 cents on the matter.

So by now its 11 pm I'm done with the gogo scene. I make my way over to Insomnia disco which has become my go to spot the last couple trips. Just a reminder for those who don't know, iBar, which is also part of the same establishment, is on the ground floor and opens a bit earlier (I think around 7 or 8 maybe). Insomnia, which is upstairs (connected from both inside and outside iBar), opens its doors at 10 pm Both iBar and Insomnia are excellent FL pick up spots. Also, happy hour at iBar is 8 pm-10 pm during which time you can get beers for 39 baht a bottle, which is basically 7/11 prices so you can't go wrong, and most bottom shelf liquors go for 69 baht a drink. I even saw some guys stock up on like a dozen 39 baht beers before the 10 pm cutoff time, which is actually pretty smart if you are going to hang out at iBar for a few hours anyways. So, 11 pm Insomnia is starting to get pretty busy, I order my drink and start scoping out the talent. A few girls catch my attention, chat with each of them a bit, not really feeling the vibe with any, so part ways.

*TIP: Girls that are in groups of 3-4 might may not necessarily be freelancers. They might just be there with friends out to have a good time. If you are alone or with a friend, its best to target girls who are also alone or with 1 friend because they are almost always working girls and looking to get picked up.

So, now it's around 12 pm, I'm on my third drink, chilling out and enjoying the music (BTW Happy Hour in Insomnia is 10 pm-12 pm drinks are not as cheap as the iBar happy hour but still at a discounted rate). The club is getting pretty crowded and even a bit difficult to navigate. I notice a girl in a group of 3. LOL. She's at a table, they have a bottle, so I'm thinking this might be a tough cookie to crack. We exchange looks / smiles. I take that as my Q, find an opening and strike up a conversation. "Whats your name? "Where you from? "How long you stay Pattaya? Same old mundane banter is exchanged. Long story short, we leave for my hotel 15 minutes later at an agreed price of 1500 baht LT. We go at it once in the night, and once in the morning. I will spare you all the meticulous details of our activities, but she was a very easy going chic, open to almost everything I wanted to do, very GFE, all in all a good pull.

*TIP: Try not to tell the girls you pick up exactly how long you are in town for. If anything, say a few months. These girls are constantly sizing you up, thinking about how much they can potentially extract / get over on you for, and they sometimes might even have more vicious intentions in mind if you are just in town for a day or two (but that's rare and maybe I'm just more the paranoid type). Either way, be vague about the duration of your stay. As far as where you are from, that's whatever I guess tell the truth or don't its up to you. Try not to give off a newbie vibe and just act like you know the drill. I know that's easier said than done because I too was once a newbie but as the saying goes, "fake it till you make it". I try not to bring up price in nightclubs, and if the girl does bring it up, I try to deviate and say something like "don't worry about money. You make me happy I make you happy" just so the girl knows this isn't my first rodeo. This usually works 50 percent of the time for me, and if we leave the club without confirming price, I give the girl 1500 baht in the morning after 2-3 goes with her, and if for whatever reason we only go at it once, I'll give her 1000 baht. I have never had a complaint with these amounts. However, the other 50 percent of the time, when the girl insists on confirming a price before leaving, I usually start the bidding with 1000 LT. Most good looking girls will try to start with 2500-3500 LT, however if you start with 1000 and counter with 1500,60% of the girls do agree to this price in my experience. Sometimes, you can stick to your guns on 1000 baht and get your way, sometimes if you are really into the chic and if she just isn't budging you might end up paying a bit more. I've never spent more than 2000 baht on a freelancer from any nightclub LT. Also, if you exchange numbers / line ids with a girl, she will almost always come over for repeat business for at least 500 baht cheaper the next time I. E. If you spend 2000 on a stunner the first night, she will definitely take 1500 the next night, and the 1500 chic will always take 1000 the next night. I've never tried offering a 1000 chic 500 on the second visit because I feel that's kind of pushing it. Maybe she would take 800 but I've never tried to be honest. Percentage wise I would say on the initial pull, I've spent 1000 baht on 20% of the chics, 1500 baht on 60% of the chics, and 2000 baht on 20% of the chics that I've picked up from various nightclubs and discos on Walking Street. But like I said, you can always save a bit of loot on repeat business if you are into the chic and want to see her again. Ranking wise for me, I'the say I've got the best pulls from 1. Insomnia, 2. IBar, 3. 808,4. Mixx. Also, as a side note for you newbies on getting back to the hotel, baht buses can be taken if you make a left right before the entrance to walking street and another left at the intersection with 2nd road (or right if you are heading to jomtien). I'm sure the chic you are with can guide you too as there are a lot of sois you can cut through to get to 2nd road as well. *.

That concludes night one. I just realized this has been way too long so I am going to break up my 6 days in Pattaya into 6 posts. LOL. I hope this has been helpful and stay tuned for days 2-6.

Cheers.

[Aabbaadd]

First night in Pattaya and I went to Crazy House for a while and bought a 140 baht drink for myself and a couple 150 LDs. Are there other hands on places like that? The two girls quoted me 2400/2800 for ST and I turned it down. What are the rates at Full Moon Bar? I know Pattaya has cheaper options. Are there any in that area?

If I check it out tomorrow I'll post them if no one knows off hand. Otherwise I guess I can just find a massage place like in BKK (these were 1900-2100 for 90 m and gave you a room) or make the trek to 007 / Club M which I believe are 800 BJ and 1000-1300 for FS but these could be old prices.

[Mr Enternational]

After leaving the tailor with JesseJames, I go get fish at my usual lunch spot. As I was leaving I noticed the salon next door did manicures and pedicures. I was actually on my way to my usual place, but decided to try this place instead. Through the window I could see the girl who was working there sitting on the couch with her head down asleep. I knocked on the glass and woke her up. I came around to the door and went inside to ask her how much for manicure, pedicure, and foot scrub. She said 400 baht, same as my regular place. The girl didn't really speak English, but I speak enough Thai to pick up chicks. She started looking good to me so I led a conversation. Found out she is married and her husband lives up north. I asked her if she had a gik (side guy) and she said no. By the end of the service I was telling her that I would be her gik. She kept saying no, only friend. But I kept insisting on gik. I asked what time she got off and she said 10. I said well at 10 I will come get you and we will have a drink in my room. She said it is better to go to a bar. I showed her a picture of all the liquor in my room and told her that it was best to go to the room. She said okay.

I was leaving the salon and headed to the barber shop when I got a message from some friends saying they were at The Hot Spot. This is the place we sit all day and pick up chicks. The barber shop would have to wait. As usual, literally before I could even sit down with my friends I had gotten a chick's number. This place works out so good for us that one of my buddies said he has not even been to Walking Street in 6 months. At 5:50, me JesseJames, and his friend left and went to The Golf Club for steaks. The regular grill master is on vacation and unfortunately the lady who was replacing him can not hold his jock strap on the grill.

After we finished eating I had to run over to Thepprasit market to my mole removal lady. I stopped by home first. My next door neighbor always keeps her door open. I gave her a hello, and told her I was going to run over to Thepprasit. I have to keep the details minimal because she does have a boyfriend that I have met.

I got a great parking spot at the market so I was able to get to my mole lady quickly. She is getting expensive. I remember when she would charge 30 baht to take off a mole. Now she wanted 200 baht to take off the one that I found on my underarm recently. She said she saw a couple more that she would do for free though. When I arrived, she was removing a tattoo from some chick's neck behind her ear. She put that chick on pause so she could do me. I was out of there in about 30 seconds.

I got back home and old girl's door was still open so I asked her what she drank. Seeing that I have about 25 bottles of everything I had her brand. I invited her over for a drink. It was probably about 8:30 then. I kept a look at my watch because I had to pick the girl up from the salon at 10. After two drinks I was thinking that I might end up fucking my neighbor. I hit up my main wingman to ask what he thought about the ethics of the situation. He said well you know she has a boyfriend, and she knows that you know she has a boyfriend. She also knows about all the girls that you bring home. You can't lose with this one.

She was going to the toilet so much that on about her third run I asked her to let me see. She wouldn't though and still went in and locked the door. She kept hollering that you are my brother shit. I said don't put me down as your brother. When she came out I don't know how we got on the subject, but she said she knows how to please herself when her man is away. I asked her to show me that but she would not. Well 10 pm crept past and I was thinking that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, so the salon chick would have to wait for another day.

We were five drinks in and I didn't know if I was going to last. I was so freaking sleepy. She was asking me about all the chicks that I bring home and describing them. I was like a deer in headlights. I bring so many chicks home that for me it was like trying to pick gnat shit out of pepper. I didn't know which chicks she was decribing. Somehow we got on the subject of breastfeeding and she was telling me about her tits. (I had already told my wingman that she had small tits, but I could see how big her nipples were through her dress. I told him that I just wanted to suck on them if nothing else.) That was my cue. I said let me see them. She took one out and I grabbed it with my hand to caress it.

Soon there was no turning back. But she made one stipulation. We could only fuck if I would take her out that night. Well that was fine with me because I had planned to go out with JesseJames and his boy anyway. She said good, well I will go get ready. I said hell no. I am horny now. So we fuck first then go out later. Plus it is still too early. She looked at the time and agreed.

This chick was a beast in the sack. She licked me from the rooter to the tooter. At the end she was telling me to cum. I said I am going to cum in your mouth. When we finished it was 12:15.

She said that she was going to get ready and would be back in 45 minutes. Man that chick called me in 15 minutes talking about she was ready. I had not done a thing. I was still on my phone telling my boys about the shit that had just happened. So she came over and sat until I got ready. I have a policy of not shitting where I sleep, but I guess rules are made to be broken; because I sure as hell broke it that night.

[Mr Enternational]

We got to the club and I got my usual seat and table. The club was still empty at 1 am. As soon as we sat down, my ex-girlfriend and some chick she was with walked past us to leave out. I grabbed her hand and told her Hello, then introduced her to my neighbor.

I think I wrote about her before. But if not then here goes. She was cashier in a WS agogo. They closed to renovate for 1 month. She got tired of sitting in her room bored so she went to get a job at a beer bar. This girl has been in Pattaya 11 years and did not realize what the town was about until she sat with those bar girls and hearing their stories. (I'm like but didn't you guys even talk in the agogo about this stuff?) Evidently they didn't. We were at lunch in KFC and she was just crying her heart out and saying she was leaving Pattaya and never coming back and so I would never see her again. That was a Saturday in Feb or March. The following Tuesday her sister drove 7 hours from home to get her and all her things. Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago when my wingman was in town and at the Hot Spot. He sent me a message saying he thought he had just seen my girl. I said it could not have been. I sent her a message asking what kind of job she had found back in her home town. That is when she let me know that she had came back to Pattaya and was working in a hotel. She had said how much she missed me and I told her that she could not. Because she said I would never see her again so I have somebody else now. I don't really, but she herself gave me the perfect excuse for breaking it off. She asked if I was angry and I said no. But if I was your sister I would be angry. She drove 7 hours each way for you because you had sworn Pattaya off and two months later your ass ends up right back here.

So back to the club. My neighbor said if I wanted another girl to go ahead and get one. I was fine just chillin. And I was already with a free chick so why would I want to search out a paid one? Finally JesseJames and his boy arrived and I kept trying to throw chicks at them. Whenever a chick would pass me I would grab her by the arm and sling her to him. For 80 million times he would say that is my type. Then the chick that he ended up going with, I don't remember if I did the same thing or he grabbed her himself. I just remember him saying now this is the one. She stuck to him like glue.

Before that though the police had come in and shut off the music and turned on the lights. They had news people with them taking pictures and filming so I took my phone out to take pictures and film too. I like to fuck with them so I told them that my girl had been smoking meth and they needed to test her. He said okay, but was really not paying me any attention. Then when I went to the toilet I saw them with a box of peepee kits and they were testing people. I told them that I had been smoking meth and needed one of those kits. They just laughed at me. Soon they were gone, but not before half the patrons had already run out.

I guess it was about 4 am when me and my neighbor left and went back home. Back to fucking we went. She also woke me up at 1 pm with her mouth around my dick. Then last night she made food for me and said she would cook for me again today.

[Jwdub]

Mr. E,

Anyway I could get additional info on your mole removal lady at the Thepprasit Mkt? I've just come across a few new ones myself.

That I would like to have removed. I live in the Jomtien area and that would be a stones throw away. Appreciate it.

[Kumbu]

Thanks for this report. It is chock full of useful information: prices, tips, names of particular establishments. Well done. And it's always nice to see someone move out from lurking in the shadows and submit something to the forum.


I landed in Bangkok pretty late so decided to spend the night before heading to Pattaya the next day.Smart move. It always amazes me how some people take that taxi right down to Patts, after a 20 hour flight! I guess if you are pressed for time, or your balls look like something out of Avatar, you just need to get down there and release. To each his own.

I have only one minor correction. I think when you say "tuk tuk", as in:


If you exit the bus stop, cross the street and wave down a tuk tuk heading towards Beach Roach, you can catch a ride for the regular 10 baht fare. Also, I noticed a lot of newbies asking tuk tuks for rides & prices and getting way over quoted. Never ever ask a tuk tuk in Pattaya the price of a ride; you will almost always get over quoted. Just hop on a tuk tuk heading in the direction you want to go, and act like you know the drill. Push the buzzer, get off where you want, hand the driver 10 baht and be on your way. If the driver deviates from where you need to go just jump off and catch another tuk tuk heading in your desired direction. Trust me, this will save you a ton of baht. Get a SIM at the airport for around 300 baht with the Internet plan and use google maps if need be. But don't ask tuk tuks for directions & prices. This sets off a newbie alert in their brains and there is no telling what they will try to hustle you for. You mean baht bus. Tuk tuks are the three wheel jobs with space for 2-3 people in the back, otherwise referred to as a motorized rickshaw.

I very much look forward to your Bangkok post. I'm sure it will be just as informative and helpful.

[Uncle Volodya]

I've been a longtime lurker on the Pattaya as well as other forums on this site and feel like it's about time I finally give something back to the community that has helped me on my journey to becoming a bonafide mongering addict. LOL. I've been to Thailand about a dozen times now, as well as a handful of other Asian countries and will post my experiences on those forums accordingly. I'll try my best to keep this post informative & filled with tips so that newbies as well as experienced mongers can take a little something away from it. Special thanks to Mr. Enternational and Uncle V whose posts I have followed religiously as well as many other members whose names I can't recall now. Thanks to all you guys for your contributions!


*TIP: Girls that are in groups of 3-4 might may not necessarily be freelancers. They might just be there with friends out to have a good time. If you are alone or with a friend, its best to target girls who are also alone or with 1 friend because they are almost always working girls and looking to get picked up.

Cheers.Thanks for the kind words. This is a great first report with some very useful info.

I would just add a couple of things:

1) You can get a taxi to Pattaya for 1 K baht flat fee. Google Mr Virach Pattaya Taxi.

2) you are right that girls congregating in groups are not necessarily freelancers and may be out with friends. But it is a very fine line between p4 p and being just out on the town. I really think that 90% are available (of course not to everyone). That does not necessarily mean you have to be rude or even direct. Just be nice and approach her like you would a girl in a non p4 p situation. And remember just because they are available does not mean they will go with you. Be respectful and take no for an answer (some guys can't take a hint). There is no need to be rattled by rejection. It happens to everybody, even the hansumest of "hansum men".

I have found that at Ibar / Insomnia, if she is willing to talk to you and hang out then she will also go with you. I have never had a bad experience of buying a girl drinks and then being left high and dry.

But then again I don't like to park myself at a table with a bottle. I'ts not that I am cheap I just like the freedom to roam around. Especially when it gets crowded. So YMMV.

Actually, I'd be curious to hear about other guy's experiences getting bottles. Has it worked for you? How to best play it? I did it once with a friend. We had a pretty good table but I was nto attracted to the girls around us. I felt like we had painted ourselves into a corner as the place filled up.

And what about the "Vip" area?

I am always up for trying new tactics if they work. And I am ready to spend a little extra to have a good time.

LosAddict, thanks again for taking the time to write up a FR. I look forward to reading your posts.

And stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[Uncle Volodya]

Smart move. It always amazes me how some people take that taxi right down to Patts, after a 20 hour flight! I guess if you are pressed for time, or your balls look like something out of Avatar, you just need to get down there and release. To each his own.
Kumbu you always have a way with words!

SO happy you are back on the boards. And I am so lookign forward to your next FR, my friend. Pm me with the details. Maybe we can meet up??

I never see a thick thighed girl without thinking of your lengthy discussions of the joys of "leg meat". 555.

[Old New Guy]

My post must have been edited as I included his phone number and that I'd met him on Soi 7. I'm not sure why these details were cut out.Oh OK, I'm sorry then, I should have imagined that was the case.

[Old New Guy]

2) you are right that girls congregating in groups are not necessarily freelancers and may be out with friends. But it is a very fine line between p4 p and being just out on the town. I really think that 90% are available (of course not to everyone). You are correct, but always remember that if they come to a foreigner only / notoriously P4 P club, there is a reason and is not because it's cheaper or cooler (which is not). Girls that that just go out the normal way go to a normal Thai bar or club. The ones that come to these places actually do hope to get to know a foreigner. I say hope because in most cases they are ugly, otherwise they would have got already a boyfriend, Thai or foreigner. But as you said, if there is a pretty one she may not be available, and have been convinced to join just to make the table more attractive to strangers. In many years of doing Thai disco I found that very rarely women do things without a good reason.


I have found that at Ibar / Insomnia, if she is willing to talk to you and hang out then she will also go with you. I have never had a bad experience of buying a girl drinks and then being left high and dry.More than that. If she only wants to hang out / dance or whatever, she will tell right away. The good looking ones are not there to have people pay drinks for nothing, that's a Western and Russian specialty. Few nights ago I danced and had fun with very hot, non-resident lady at I. She said from the onset she was not available, but I guess it was better for her to have a male at the table anyway. She was friendly and smiling al the time, did not ask me to buy anything, she had plenty of money. We joked about how much her friend should have got from the young man that approached, I said 2K minimum, they approved enthusiastically launching high-five. That is the ethics of the good ones.

[Cool]

Are ladyboys mixed in with real girls on Soi 7 beer gardens? Even a few of the masseuses don't look like genuine women. I know to avoid Soi 6/1 and Bukhao. Should I avoid all beer gardens altogether not near walking street?

[David 2]

I was leaving the salon and headed to the barber shop when I got a message from some friends saying they were at The Hot Spot. This is the place we sit all day and pick up chicks. The barber shop would have to wait. As usual, literally before I could even sit down with my friends I had gotten a chick's number. This place works out so good for us that one of my buddies said he has not even been to Walking Street in 6 months. At 5:50, me JesseJames, and his friend left and went to The Golf Club for steaks. The regular grill master is on vacation and unfortunately the lady who was replacing him can not hold his jock strap on the grill.Love your insight, Mr. E. You seem to live the life that lots of men dream about. But I don't recall ever seeing the Hot Spot. Could you please share its location?

Thanks a million.

[Why The Face]

Currently, I am in Pattaya. What a disappointment this place is. I will describe Pattaya culturally. Imagine there was a mental institution in Thailand where they gathered the world's people including local Thai's. Then everyone was set free with the Thai's running the businesses. This is Pattaya. I have only been here a few days and I am feeling retarded myself. I could play insane looking at wall and laughing to myself better than anywhere else I have been and could fit in well. I have actually been this way with people laughing with me. The layers of crap and contempt are overwhelming. I was expecting contempt but this is too much. People make you feel like they are doing you a favor for answering questions and you are rude for not buying anything. I spoke to 2 well adjusted foreigners and even they described this place as crap. I asked why they lived here and they didn't even know? I am not catching the vibe of the bowing, indirect Thai's as well. The language barrier is worse than The Philippines and even the ones with English play stupid when you try to ask a direct question. People don't look happy here and the police feel hostile and worn down from dealing with everything. I have been calm and speaking slowly as well and this makes a difference but not much. The eye contact amongst the foreigners in Pattaya tell the story. No reason to continue in Thailand. To get away from contempt I would have to sacrifice too much infrastructure and language. I can sense this already. I probably won't even have sex in Pattaya. Maybe just a massage. I am not saying there aren't great hookers in Pattaya. I just can't get comfortable to find out. Next! I will use my time here for relaxation and planning. Also it is hotter in Pattaya than anywhere I was in the Philippines. I am headed off to Shanghai on Friday. After China I am headed to Vietnam. After that probably Barcelona and then down the coast of Spain for one last chance with the Spanish gene. Probably other places in Europe as well. About half of the apartment owners I rented from in Medellin lived in Spain. Maybe they know something. We shall see.

Mr E, you are my long lost brother and don't even realize it. I have to ride you a little though. How can you post pictures in Buenos Aires, Medellin and then live in Thailand? Do tell, please. In the poor neighborhoods of Medellin I feel no foreigner contempt. It is warm and connected there. In Pattaya there are layers upon layers of contempt. You are a better man than I to be able to rise above all this crap to get quality hookers and better infrastructure. You are one of my favorite posters, bro. I appreciate your response in advance.

[Long91]

Are ladyboys mixed in with real girls on Soi 7 beer gardens? Even a few of the masseuses don't look like genuine women. I know to avoid Soi 6/1 and Bukhao. Should I avoid all beer gardens altogether not near walking street?Wow. Ladyboys are everywhere even in the malls. Just ask the chosen one, she will tell you if she's a ladyboy. One would have to say avoid everywhere. There are some very nice 1000% lady's in the places you plan to avoid.

[Uncle Volodya]

Are ladyboys mixed in with real girls on Soi 7 beer gardens? Even a few of the masseuses don't look like genuine women. I know to avoid Soi 6/1 and Bukhao. Should I avoid all beer gardens altogether not near walking street?Maybe best to stay home. I hear Kansas is lovely this time of year.

Just poking fun mate. I would not sworry about the LBs. My experience is if you don't bother them they won't bother you (too much).

[Old New Guy]

Currently, I am in Pattaya. What a disappointment this place is....
Mr E, you are my long lost brother and don't even realize it. I have to ride you a little though. How can you post pictures in Buenos Aires, Medellin and then live in Thailand? Do tell, please. In the poor neighborhoods of Medellin I feel no foreigner contempt... These are the symptoms of the typical culture shock a person from a Latin culture gets when coming to Thailand (especially Pattaya), for the very first time. I had this about 15 years ago, too soothe myself I took "refuge" in Jomtien Beach. Of course, that did not made much of a difference, I still burned and shined in Pattaya, and various other places in Thailand and the Far East in the course of the following years.

I do not want to write a long or apologetic post or start a debate of Latin America Vs Thailand and the Far East. But I've been almost anywhere in LA, lived and did business many years in Buenos Aires, can pass for Argentinean if I stress the accent, etc. Now look where I'm spending my time and money? I can only reassure you that you haven't seen anything yet, you haven't seen with clarity, and of course you have have not enjoyed the great pleasure of strong and / or sweet sex with a Thai woman. As I'm used to say, Brazilians or Colombians can be great lovers, but an hot horny Thai woman is very, very hard to surpass in bed. True, with all the love for the Latinas.

Give Thailand a better chance. More correctly give yourself a chance to understand. About the women, sorry but you will have to try many and develop a sort of sixth sense to screen them and get lucky just sometime. The Latin rules of engagement don't apply here. One more challenge for you amigo. Of course if you want to give up even better... for the ones that don't.

[Lefeu]

I can only reassure you that you haven't seen anything yet, you haven't seen with clarity, and of course you have have not enjoyed the great pleasure of strong and / or sweet sex with a Thai woman. As I'm used to say, Brazilians or Colombians can be great lovers, but an hot horny Thai woman is very, very hard to surpass in bed. True, with all the love for the Latinas.I am currently in Medellin, Colombia, and I come here quite often. I have also been in Brazil a number of times. I do not agree with your assertion that Latin women are not as horny as Thai women. I would say it's just the opposite. Also, Thai women cannot surpass Brazilian women in bed.

I have taken close to 20 trips to Thailand, and I would venture to say that Thai women are the best at pampering the men, and therefore provide the best GFE, IMO.

[Old New Guy]

I do not agree with your assertion that Latin women are not as horny as Thai women. I would say it's just the opposite. Also, Thai women cannot surpass Brazilian women in bed.
I was thinking like you before meeting Som, the nympho I've lost to a rich French. (Isaan Anurak and mistress Rasri were fantastic three holers too, but these were different, much more emotional stories). When a completely sober woman quietly tells you before getting to bed for the first time "you can fuck me everywhere, you can fuck my mouth, you can fuck my pussy, you can fuck my ass", I think that makes quite clear on which league you're going to play. Now, I can count four "fucks" in that sentence, but I couldn't count them anymore the following day. Maybe because the memories of the only other nympho I was gifted with before, my Brazilian BS. As. Resident Natalia, had faded over the years, to her honor she was the one that when became lovers would position right away my dick to the the ass for a proper hard session. The difference is that Latina girls are educated about sex, they talk about it all the time, they try to keep the level high, and their local male sex partner are very much up to the job of rising the standard. In Thailand, sex is still largely a taboo matter, which can be (and is in fact quietly encouraged) done but can't be shown or talked about, the result is that when it comes to you in its full force it will surprise you. It's more like a liberating experience than an already mature and liberated one. I agree that on average Latina women are slightly better in bed, but just slightly. But they are not nearly funny, or spontaneous, or accommodating like Thai (sometime) are.

There we go, the debate has started.
*note, from all the anal sex references one may think that I'm fixated with that. Strangely enough, I'm not. It just that I've found over the years that when a woman delivers herself completely and fully enjoys sex, anal sex is always part of the equation.

[Mr Enternational]

Currently, I am in Pattaya. What a disappointment this place is. I will describe Pattaya culturally. Imagine there was a mental institution in Thailand where they gathered the world's people including local Thai's. Then everyone was set free with the Thai's running the businesses. This is Pattaya. I have only been here a few days and I am feeling retarded myself.

Mr E, you are my long lost brother and don't even realize it. I have to ride you a little though. How can you post pictures in Buenos Aires, Medellin and then live in Thailand? Do tell, please. In the poor neighborhoods of Medellin I feel no foreigner contempt. It is warm and connected there. In Pattaya there are layers upon layers of contempt. You are a better man than I to be able to rise above all this crap to get quality hookers and better infrastructure. You are one of my favorite posters, bro. I appreciate your response in advance.Send me a PM and we can hook up tomorrow. I have been hanging out with JesseJames the past few days. At first he was off to a rocky start but now he is a force to be reckoned with. I can't even keep up with the guy anymore. Looks like he is even learning a bit of Thai. He just called me "ba" (Thai for crazy) because he keeps telling me to come out right now but I am so damn tired. I am usually sleep by 10. Last night it was 8.

Tomorrow I bowl at 3 pm if you want to tag along. One guy I bowl with is 74 and has not been back to the States since 86. So he can tell you much more about the inner workings of this place than I can. Yesterday he was telling me about the tunnel they are building. He talked to the congressman and the police chief and nobody seems to know where the damn tunnel is going to come out at even though they have already started building it. And it went from 2 years completion time to 4 years in a matter of months. This is Thailand!

[Uncle Volodya]

Currently, I am in Pattaya. What a disappointment this place is. I will describe Pattaya culturally. Imagine there was a mental institution in Thailand where they gathered the world's people including local Thai's. Then everyone was set free with the Thai's running the businesses. This is Pattaya. I have only been here a few days and I am feeling retarded myself. I could play insane looking at wall and laughing to myself better than anywhere else I have been and could fit in well. I have actually been this way with people laughing with me. The layers of crap and contempt are overwhelming. I was expecting contempt but this is too much.Jesus dude. I am perplexed by your comments. Thais are among the friendliest people on earth. They don't call it the Land of Smiles for nothing.

I live in Russia and when I come to Pattaya just being on the street is like a family reunion. Everyone is so friendly and nice here by comparison. What would you do if you had to spend some time in Russia, hang yourself?

Time to man up and relax! There are a thousand guys on this board (me included) who would give their left nut to be in Patts right now. If you don't take advantage of this opportunity you will come to regret it.

Sorry about the dose of tough love. I hope you don't take it personally. We all need it from time to time.

[Cool]

Wow. Ladyboys are everywhere even in the malls. Just ask the chosen one, she will tell you if she's a ladyboy. One would have to say avoid everywhere. There are some very nice 1000% lady's in the places you plan to avoid.I am inexperienced in Thailand. This is only my second trip. I put the over / under of concentration of LBs on Soi 7 at 30% with some questionable specimens. Silver Star go go on Soi 7 about 250 m from the beach charges around 85-95 be for Heineken but 110 bht for water. Bar fine is the standard 700 and 400 bht for room plus 2 k to girl for ST. That is a whopping 3100 bht (comparable to walking St where girls can be not too old). Some of the dancers have nice bodies but a lot of the dancers are on the wrong side of 30. I went at 1 am this morning and probably won't return. The staff was friendly and cordial and the girls shoot out ice cubes out of their vaginas. On a motorbike I saw a very nice lady wearing blk and pink the other night between soi 8 and bukhao. But it was well past 11 pm (fatigued) and I am budgeting my money so partying everyday of the week is out of the question since this is not an expense trip or short holiday.

[Old New Guy]

Jesus dude. I am perplexed by your comments. Thais are among the friendliest people on earth. They don't call it the Land of Smiles for nothing.I understand the comments. Some people is quick, or more sensitive to realize that things are not exactly as they seem, that smiles are more a to lay a demarc than denote friendliness, have ever heard about the 13 types of Thai smiles? Pretty much any foreigner that has been in Thailand long enough (which is not very long) will tell you how completely xenophobic and nationalist they are. All it takes is to learn few Thai insults and listen to what kids say behind your shoulders when you go by. Most often the first impression a Latino person will have about Asians, is that they are false and hypocrites, which of course is a racist cliche', but there must be some reason why that is perceived? By the way, the comment about the police is also pretty much spot on. Not many Thais have the guts to oppose or mess with them even when in the right. That is product of a generally repressive and authority exalting society. A cast system without the casts being officially delineated (except for the Royal Family.) Without getting in more details and stories, how which there is a billion, I understand the first sight shock. Of course many foreigners (openly or not) absolutely love these negative aspects of the Thai society, and are actually happy to live isolated just to see that discrimination and injustice is ever tougher for others.

[Uncle Volodya]

I understand the comments. Some people is quick, or more sensitive to realize that things are not exactly as they seem, that smiles are more a to lay a demarc than denote friendliness, have ever heard about the 13 types of Thai smiles? Pretty much any foreigner that has been in Thailand long enough (which is not very long) will tell you how completely xenophobic and nationalist they are. All it takes is to learn few Thai insults and listen to what kids say behind your shoulders when you go by. Most often the first impression a Latino person will have about Asians, is that they are false and hypocrites, which of course is a racist cliche', but there must be some reason why that is perceived? By the way, the comment about the police is also pretty much spot on. Not many Thais have the guts to oppose or mess with them even when in the right. That is product of a generally repressive and authority exalting society. A cast system without the casts being officially delineated (except for the Royal Family.) Without getting in more details and stories, how which there is a billion, I understand the first sight shock. Of course many foreigners (openly or not) absolutely love these negative aspects of the Thai society, and are actually happy to live isolated just to see that discrimination and injustice is ever tougher for others.Russians are even more xenophobic, racists and hypocritical.

And they don't even bother to smile. 555.

I guess the bar has been set pretty low for me.

[Breadman]

I understand the comments. Some people is quick, or more sensitive to realize that things are not exactly as they seem, that smiles are more a to lay a demarc than denote friendliness, have ever heard about the 13 types of Thai smiles? Pretty much any foreigner that has been in Thailand long enough (which is not very long) will tell you how completely xenophobic and nationalist they are. All it takes is to learn few Thai insults and listen to what kids say behind your shoulders when you go by. Most often the first impression a Latino person will have about Asians, is that they are false and hypocrites, which of course is a racist cliche', but there must be some reason why that is perceived? By the way, the comment about the police is also pretty much spot on. Not many Thais have the guts to oppose or mess with them even when in the right. That is product of a generally repressive and authority exalting society. A cast system without the casts being officially delineated (except for the Royal Family.) Without getting in more details and stories, how which there is a billion, I understand the first sight shock. Of course many foreigners (openly or not) absolutely love these negative aspects of the Thai society, and are actually happy to live isolated just to see that discrimination and injustice is ever tougher for others.What's NYC have to do with this? Ohhh, my bad, people from NYC don't smile.

[Haven123]

Send me a PM and we can hook up tomorrow. ............
...... I can't even keep up with the guy ..... he keeps telling me to come out right now but I am so damn tired.

I am usually sleep by 10. Last night it was 8.

Tomorrow I bowl at 3 pm if you want to tag along. One guy I bowl with is 74 and has not been back to the States since 86. ...............This is Thailand!Ayyyy. Yey. Yey. Yeh. Yeah. You THE mr. ENT?

Really? Wtf, what is happening with this world? Give it up bro! You are done for!

What would like on your epitaph my son? Mi Dios! You've been pulling one on us all these years, bro?

Oh, and BTW, my daughter tells me it is no longer ok for a guy to say he is going to hook up with another guy (unless he is. You know what). Just saying. Times they have changed since you've been living in the good ole USA, and ' hanging' too long with your there bowling buddy!

LOL, bro. I am ROFLMAO! (please don't shoot me though, bro. I just the messenger Mon.!).

[JohnPhoenix]

So after the massage I went back and relaxed in the room. Took a shower and surfed the net on understanding how Russian culture works since I was about to meet the Ruski treat.

Met her outside the Mixx disco at the appointed hour. Went inside and we danced. The same drill followed. Drinks and after drinks followed by dance. I was thinking that I would be unlucky Tonight as well.

And boy I was wrong. At around 1 I hinted that we should hit the streets for some roadside cocktails. I knew she liked them. On one of our stop overs I popped a pill as I knew there might be a chance and I was drunk as fuck so did not want to miss any chance.

At one of our stop overs at the cocktail bars, I came to know that she was working here for some Insurance company catering especially to Russian tourist. She did not have any Visa for work, just the tourist one.

Asked her should we go to our room, and she asked jokingly 'For what'. I was happy she was laughing, as many of my internet research earlier that day showed me that Russians are very serious and smiling is something rare (I know generalization, but this is what I had read on the Internet).

Inside the room, we just went on it. She had a nice body. Her thighs were thick and smooth. I did not make the mistake of taking a bath while she was on fire. We had three sessions all night long (limited by the three condom pack I had brought last night) and except Anal, everything was on offer from her side. She was one of those who would moan the hell out of a building of she came and I bet the patrons of the hotel I was staying in might have been witness to some Russian words not understood by them, unless they were Russian themselves.

In between sessions, we shared stories and cultural facts (she was intellectual as well).

Told her that it was my last night and would be back maybe in two months. She was unfazed. Woke up in the morning around 10 and went for shower and breakfast. She left around 1.

I packed everything and went to the bus station at 1630 and to my surprise found her standing there. I asked her what happened, and she said good friends always depart after a drink in Russia. Went to a nearby bar and had two vodka shots each for good luck and Health. In all this fake relationship crap, I forgot to book my bus ticket and then had to settle for a bus after two hours. So 2 hours in hand she suggested we go for a foot massage in the nearby shop we saw near the bus station. Crap it was getting too gooey. Said her next destination would be Bali, Indonesia.

Sat on the bus and we waved good bye. To be honest it was the best non P4P action I had enjoyed.

All the drinks were shared between us. The vodka shots on the day of departure was from her side and the foot massage I paid for.

[JesseJames1447]

Send me a PM and we can hook up tomorrow. I have been hanging out with JesseJames the past few days. At first he was off to a rocky start but now he is a force to be reckoned with. I can't even keep up with the guy anymore. Looks like he is even learning a bit of Thai. He just called me "ba" (Thai for crazy) because he keeps telling me to come out right now but I am so damn tired.HAHA. Nice. I have certainly found my groove. Ans yes it sure did start off very Rocky. Last night was the pinnacle I think. I did so much including watching some live boxing. Went to take a picture between rounds and they even pulled me up in the ring for some "play boxing". Got some great pics.

Also went to the club and danced a while. Then hit another bar with a live band (pretty damn good one too) that had us (the girl I was with and me) sing with them a bit too. One hell of a night all in all. I feel at home here now almost as much as I do in the DR. Right now I am getting ready to go what the night hold for me this evening. I am sure it will be fun.

[Cool]

Apparently silver star 2 is on Soi 7 and the sister bar is on Soi 8. Anyone been to silver star on Soi 8?

[Gin And Tonic]

A Sapphire girl told me about some bars off Walking the have tomboys for takeaway. Anyone try this out? We have a 3-some date tomorrow with one to try it out.

[Uncle Volodya]

A Sapphire girl told me about some bars off Walking the have tomboys for takeaway. Anyone try this out? We have a 3-some date tomorrow with one to try it out.Wow! Kudos man. To boldly go where monger has gone before! I look forward to your TR!

[Kumbu]

A Sapphire girl told me about some bars off Walking the have tomboys for takeaway. Anyone try this out? We have a 3-some date tomorrow with one to try it out.Do you mean tomboys, or lady boys? The former are biologically female, but who are somewhat masculine in their rough and tumble ways. I love tomboys. They are great fun, and I'd love to fuck one (or many). Lady boys, on the other hand, are biologically male, but who behave like females put on appearances of great (often exaggerated) femininity. I love to talk and kid around with lady boys, but I don't particularly want to fuck one, or be involved in a 3-way with one. To each his own, but I just want to know which you are referring to. And either way, like Uncle V, I look forward to your report.

[Pipe Layer99]

A Sapphire girl told me about some bars off Walking the have tomboys for takeaway. Anyone try this out? We have a 3-some date tomorrow with one to try it out.Who cares!? Sounds to me like she is trying to make some money for her 'sister' / 'friend'. I would much rather have my girl and another girl with is bisexual.

[Tomasb]

I was under the impression that tomboys were actually young men who were not on hormones or had breast augmentation surgery or other ladyboy type operations but instead dressed and acted like flat chested girls but are biologically men. I would seek clarification before proceeding.


Wow! Kudos man. To boldly go where monger has gone before! I look forward to your TR!

[Phordphan]

I was under the impression that tomboys were actually young men who were not on hormones or had breast augmentation surgery or other ladyboy type operations but instead dressed and acted like flat chested girls but are biologically men. I would seek clarification before proceeding.In the local vernacular, a tomboy is a lesbian.

[Dg8787]

A tomboy is a biological girl who has characteristics or behavior like a boy. Dresses more masculine and behave more masculine. Some can look pretty manly. Some are still pretty feminine with spike haircuts and tattoos. I would like to try a feminine tomboy one time or two.

One time in Paris I hooked up with a petite tomboyish 20 yo. When her t shirt and Levi's along with her combat boots came off she was all woman! She had one of the most beautiful bodies that I have ever felt. She didn't speak English and I didn't speak French but we were able communicate verbally and orally.

[Phordphan]

A tomboy is a biological girl who has characteristics or behavior like a boy. Dresses more masculine and behave more masculine. Some can look pretty manly. Some are still pretty feminine with spike haircuts and tattoos. I would like to try a feminine tomboy one time or two.

One time in Paris I hooked up with a petite tomboyish 20 yo. When her t shirt and Levi's along with her combat boots came off she was all woman.Yes, that is the western definition. However, Thais tend to call young lesbians tomboys. Hence the reason one might want a tomboy for a partner in a 3-some.

[Banana Boi]

A Sapphire girl told me about some bars off Walking the have tomboys for takeaway. Anyone try this out? We have a 3-some date tomorrow with one to try it out.My Sapphire girls took me to a club where girls were dressed as guys. They did it for the shock factor I'm sure. Yes weird I know. Is this what you mean?

[Old New Guy]

In the local vernacular, a tomboy is a lesbian.I think these are coming to the disco too. I've seen a group hitting on the dancers at I, tipping and kissing them profusely. And some girl with a "GAY OK" T-shirt.

[Haven123]

I think these are coming to the disco too. I've seen a group hitting on the dancers at I, tipping and kissing them profusely. And some girl with a "GAY OK" T-shirt.Well, that was Uncle V's long term gal. He actually got her that T shirt, I believe. 😝.

But, seriously, being gay is not something someone generally chooses to do. Mostly DNA. Some life history issues. No matter how, que sera sera. So, live and let live! Let everyone be happy!

[Mr Enternational]

But, seriously, being gay is not something someone generally chooses to do. Mostly DNA. Some life history issues. No matter how, que sera sera. So, live and let live! Let everyone be happy!Exactly, but This Is Thailand. There are a lot of LBs who are gay for pay. And a lot of others who just dress up that way in order to rob foreigners.

[Haven123]

Exactly, but This Is Thailand. And a lot of others who just dress up that way in order to rob foreigners.Oh shit! Anyway, I have never, and am even now, zero percent interested in any of them, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on ones POV.

But, yeah, that's not good Mr ENT.

Compared to when I was in Thailand last, the LB phenomenon seems to have exploded into full view.

- IGNORE the rest below unless you are interested in science shit. Fair warning-.

There's are some life forms in the ocean that change between male and female and give birth. It would not be surprising at all, if nature, I. E. Our species, is evolving back up plans, far into the future, due to some of the newer low birth rate issues at the macro level. So this may be something more fundamental that is at work at the macro species level of our DNA.

After all, omnipotent and pluripotent stem cells can, in a lab, now be directed in any direction we want for sex and other traits. Particularly with the rather new CRISPR technology (and second and third gen versions of it just announced) incredible genie type stuff is in store and in the pipeline. Less than 100 k of our 7 billion humans are aware of this technology and its implications. IMO.

[Uncle Volodya]

Well, that was Uncle V's long term gal. He actually got her that T shirt, I believe. 😝.

But, seriously, being gay is not something someone generally chooses to do. Mostly DNA. Some life history issues. No matter how, que sera sera. So, live and let live! Let everyone be happy!That little Tart! You mean she has been hitting on others when I am not around. I am taking back that T-shirt! .

[Haven123]

That little Tart! You mean she has been hitting on others when I am not around. I am taking back that T-shirt! .Hahaha. But she Stillll loves you. And Only you, Uncle V. LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

Me and JesseJames were on Walking Street last night. We were chilling at an ice cream parlor and there was a guy on the street selling toy rats. I decided to buy a couple for my nephew and niece. I don't remember if I was speaking to the guy in Thai or not, but he showed me his sign where 1 cost 40 baht and 3 cost 100 baht. I said cool, so I bought the 3 pack. The guy showed me the other side of his sign where he had written 1 for 80 baht and 3 for 200 baht. I damn near fell out of my chair laughing.

It just goes to show that in Thailand the first price is not the final price. And also that YMMV. One guy reports he went into iBar and got a girl for 2000 baht. That does not mean the next guy is going to go in and have to give 2000 baht. He may be charged, 3000,1000, or even get her for free. That is why you always negotiate for yourself and do not let the price that someone else has paid dictate what you pay.

[Mr Enternational]

A pleasant surprise indeed. Tuesday my old navy and college buddy asked me if I would be in Thailand on Friday. I said yes. He said well I am going to buy a ticket right now and I will be there Friday at 10. I thought the mf was bullshittin. But sure as shit he shows up. His first time in Thailand after years of me begging him. And he did just what I said, went topside at the airport and got a taxi for 1000 baht.

I took him to get a soapy first thing. 2000 baht at Honey 2? The one on 2nd Rd. A lot of guys come here and get so busy that they leave it out. Then I took him to my watch man. I thought I was a hard bargainer but this fool put me to shame. He was like a junkyard dog.

Then it was on to Soi 6. The first thing he laid eyes on he was ready to take upstairs. The girl wanted 1300. I said no way. 1000 only. 300 for the room and 700 for you. She agreed.

Then my girl asked me if I wanted to go up too. I said of course. 800 baht. She said no. Same deal as the other girl. I said no way. It is my friend's first time, so I got a special price for him. It is not my first time and I live here so I pay 300 for the room and 500 to you. She said only blow job then okay? I said no way. That is for everything. She went and got the okay from the lady behind the bar and up we went.

The best part was her washing me in the shower. On the way out I stopped by my buddy's room to see his girl's pussy. He was talking about switching but that shit fell by the wayside. My room had a nice black light in it. I have been looking for that type since I first got my place here. I blew 2 120 V from the States trying to put it in this 240 V and ended up finding this bullshit black light at HomePro or something years ago. Looks like there is a new one to search for. Well my total bill ended up being 995 baht for 1 chick, 1 room, 1 drink, and 1 lady drink.

We went down and up Soi 6. This guy was unstopable. I just enjoyed watching him have a good time. He was nothing like those that come on here saying they could not find anything on the 6. He was trying to work out a deal to get 2 chicks for 800 baht. He got cussed out by the chick and a ladyboy who was close by. They said take your ass down to the Coconut Bar on Beach Road if you want to get somebody for that price. Haven't I always said that I pay 400 baht on Beach Road? Well it appears that some Soi 6 hookers know that to be the price as well.

We came back to my place for about an hour then headed to 808. As soon as I got there I saw a chick who I had not seen in a couple of years. A wingman told me that she had gotten married. I ran it by her and she asked how I knew. Shit. Everything gets back to Sweet Papa. Her and her friends invited us to partake in their bottle of Jack Daniel's. Soon my boy disappeared. I thought he was somewhere passed out from sleep deprivation. But he showed back up about 45 minutes later telling me to come on because he was on the the other side of the club with 3 chicks and a bottle of Jack. I towed the girl that had chosen me away from her friend and over there.

Eventually some guy pulled my girl away to talk and she showed back up about 20 minutes later. I said no bich. You go on back with him. Then I grabbed another chick that was watching me.

I told my boy that there would be no sleep the first 24 hours. We left 808 at 4:30 headed to Flexx with 2 chicks each in tow. Drank a bottle of Jack there as well and left out when it was daylight. It is now 10:09am and I need to take my ass to sleep!

P.S. Special shout out to the guy from LOS Angeles and his Thai wife who were in 808 and supplying us with Jaeger Bombs and making us enjoy their JW Red. All I know is I had a bunch of damn drinks last night and didn't pay for not 1!

[Blanquiceleste]

That little Tart! You mean she has been hitting on others when I am not around. I am taking back that T-shirt! .Aww. She's going to be heart broken and naked. See'Mon. Uncle V. You are a man with a big heart. 5555.

[Blanquiceleste]

Me and JesseJames were on Walking Street last night. We were chilling at an ice cream parlor and there was a guy on the street selling toy rats. I decided to buy a couple for my nephew and niece. I don't remember if I was speaking to the guy in Thai or not, but he showed me his sign where 1 cost 40 baht and 3 cost 100 baht. I said cool, so I bought the 3 pack. The guy showed me the other side of his sign where he had written 1 for 80 baht and 3 for 200 baht. I damn near fell out of my chair laughing.

It just goes to show that in Thailand the first price is not the final price. And also that YMMV. One guy reports he went into iBar and got a girl for 2000 baht. That does not mean the next guy is going to go in and have to give 2000 baht. He may be charged, 3000,1000, or even get her for free. That is why you always negotiate for yourself and do not let the price that someone else has paid dictate what you pay.Invaluable lessons in the art of negotiation. A must read for all ye who cross the gates of Siam.

[Cool]

Bangkok.com ranked Whats Up as no. 1 bar on WS. Must have been dated. On Friday night at 10 pm there were 40 mostly attractive girls sitting on the stage with school girl uniforms. The problem was the bar had a bad vibe because the girls looked disinterested, unmotivated, and bored. No surprise the bar was empty. Electric blue across the Soi was popping. Clothed girls on backstage were cheaper than nude girls on front stage. The staff were rather pushy trying to get me to buy ladies drinks and tequila shots during 50 bht promotion. I usually visit WS bars 2-3 times before buying ladies drinks. Last night I bought lady drinks at my fave WS bars. An English guy invited me to ice bar. This is a cool bar to cool off on a hot night; however, its best to bring your date with you because the bar lacks much female companionship. I paid 95 bht for bottled water at Ice / Ibar.

[Old New Guy]

Nice game, Mr. E. & Co! Also JohnPhoenix and his Russian for which he had to wait.

It's important that one can have the experience done according to his style. We all end get laid but how we do end there is also important. I also had my planets aligned yesterday with a cutie that was 100% good and right for me, from start to end. Doesn't happen often, but makes the entire thing worth!

[Cool]

Competing massage parlors were saying Sabailand out of business. I did not hire 2 girls for sandwich massage. Honey massage was packed with an indian tour bus. They range from 2 k-4 k. All girls at Sabai dee are 2 k. Sabai room is 2-2.4 k. I originally thought I would try a girl from room and Dee. I did not like any girls for 2 k at s room. I picked 47 the darkest girl at Dee. Here is more businesslike. The mamasan asked for a tip. I finished within 45 minutes. Of 90. The girl asked for a tip and specifically she wanted 300. I gave her 200 because she cheated me out of my BJ. She licked around my crotch and quickly through condom on. Quality is better in bkk and they don't ask for tip. Cheaper than go go but go go girls hotter.

[Opebo]

Yes, that is the western definition. However, Thais tend to call young lesbians tomboys. Hence the reason one might want a tomboy for a partner in a 3-some.

No, "tom" as they call it, or tomboy if they're trying to speak to a foreigner about it, specifically means the very masculine looking lesbian partner (or "butch"). The other type is "dee" in Thai - what we might call a "lipstick lesbian", or a girly, make-up wearing type. I've tried toms once or twice, and in both cases the body was disconcertingly unfeminine though clearly female.

[Mr Enternational]

Me and JesseJames went to the Windmill Agogo the other night. The mamasan told us bar fine is 1500 and the girls 3500 for LT. We were both like 5000 baht? They can keep that pussy!

Can anyone tell me where that Whats Up place is? I think that is the name I remember being mentioned here where many say the best looking women in Pattaya are. I would like to check it out but I can't find it for shit.

[Uncle Volodya]

Me and JesseJames went to the Windmill Agogo the other night. The mamasan told us bar fine is 1500 and the girls 3500 for LT. We were both like 5000 baht? They can keep that pussy!

Can anyone tell me where that Whats Up place is? I think that is the name I remember being mentioned here where many say the best looking women in Pattaya are. I would like to check it out but I can't find it for shit.It's up soi 15 across from Saphire.

A couple of the model / dancers from the shows are just stunning. But the place is pretty tame (compared to your last stop, Windmill). And prices are insane.

[Blanquiceleste]

It's up soi 15 across from Saphire.

A couple of the model / dancers from the shows are just stunning. But the place is pretty tame (compared to your last stop, Windmill). And prices are insane.I was speaking yesterday to a Thailand veteran (not on this forum) who has recently returned from a trip to Bangkok and Pattaya. This is a man who speaks fluent Thai, understands the local culture well, has worked there for 12 years and made the most of his single status in South East Asia.

He also mentioned that the GoGo bars in Pattaya specially seem very clearly focused on looting customers. The girls look good, no doubt but a majority of them have had their looks surgically enhanced in every thinkable manner. Plenty of them have body art and / or piercings which tends to put off a few people I know. The prices are absolutely insane. A bottle of water alone can cost you 100 baht. Lady drinks cost 300 baht in most places on WS barring a few smaller joints with less number of less pretty girls. Most of the girls are not interested in barfining at all and if they do, it is probably because you have spent a lot on her and the mamasan has persuaded her. This does not guarantee a good time back in the room, if she ever makes it to that stage. And if she does, expect nothing more than a ST. Anyway the price she will quote for a LT will be prohibitive. The clubs to watch out for are Sapphire, Sensations, What's Up, Iron, Alcatraz, Skyfall which have the prettiest girls. Baccara, I think, has totally lost the plot. Windmill & Sugarbaby cater to a different taste, more raunchy. The rest of the joints, IMHO, are not worth setting foot into.

I am usually a very positive minded guy and tend to have fun in any environment. I was in Pattaya in FEb 2016 and I had a great time, including a couple of pulls from GoGo bars. I also reported that I spent a ton for it (no no regret), but what I heard yesterday kinda got me worried about the future of mongering in Pattaya, specially WS.

Maybe I should go back sharpening that social media axe.

Thank Buddha that Soi 6 remains untouched by all the crap and prices are still 1000 baht all in.

[Cool]

Me and JesseJames went to the Windmill Agogo the other night. The mamasan told us bar fine is 1500 and the girls 3500 for LT. We were both like 5000 baht? They can keep that pussy!

Can anyone tell me where that Whats Up place is? I think that is the name I remember being mentioned here where many say the best looking women in Pattaya are. I would like to check it out but I can't find it for shit.Its on the side st. Where you see the Angel Witch sign. Keep walking past it. I think its on same side of st. As Angel Witch. Whats Up is dead. They do not have the best looking girls but they are mostly attractive. They are disinterested and the bar was empty last Friday night. There were 40 ladies dressed as school girl on stage. Electric blue was popping but mamasan is pushy for drinks etc.

[Cool]

I was speaking yesterday to a Thailand veteran (not on this forum) who has recently returned from a trip to Bangkok and Pattaya. This is a man who speaks fluent Thai, understands the local culture well, has worked there for 12 years and made the most of his single status in South East Asia.

He also mentioned that the GoGo bars in Pattaya specially seem very clearly focused on looting customers. The girls look good, no doubt but a majority of them have had their looks surgically enhanced in every thinkable manner. Plenty of them have body art and / or piercings which tends to put off a few people I know. The prices are absolutely insane. A bottle of water alone can cost you 100 baht. Lady drinks cost 300 baht in most places on WS barring a few smaller joints with less number of less pretty girls. Most of the girls are not interested in barfining at all and if they do, it is probably because you have spent a lot on her and the mamasan has persuaded her. This does not guarantee a good time back in the room, if she ever makes it to that stage. And if she does, expect nothing more than a ST. .Lady Drinks at most joints are around 150 baht. But the customer drink is only a $1 cheaper. Peculiarly the bar I deem that has best looking girls has lady drinks at 140 bht. However a steep tier bar fine of 1500 before midnight and 1000 after. Plastic surgery is a turn off because it makes me wonder what the girl looked like beforehand. I'm not too big on Alcatraz but they have low tier soapy massage girls beat.

[Uncle Volodya]

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Thank Buddha that Soi 6 remains untouched by all the crap and prices are still 1000 baht all in.


And son't forget Ibar and the other FL spots.

That certainly is bad news about WS gogos. Its' been a while since I BF from one as the prices are crazy and I am worried about lackluster service.

[Micawber]

The mamasan told us bar fine is 1500 and the girls 3500 for LT. We were both like 5000 baht? They can keep that pussy!IMO Thailand is finished as a mongering destination. Much too expensive (for what you get) by comparison with other destinations.

[Blanquiceleste]

There were 40 ladies dressed as school girl on stage. How can bar with 40 girls be called dead? There has got be some other reason for the dismal description of What's Up you gave us. That place, as I remember it, had the best looking chicks on WS.

[Cool]

How can bar with 40 girls be called dead? There has got be some other reason for the dismal description of What's Up you gave us. That place, as I remember it, had the best looking chicks on WS.Prices could be astronomical or picky girls. I didn't inquire I abruptly left after peeking in for 30 seconds. Whats Up is past Angel Witch and has a Silver Question mark above the door. I went to Whats Up last Friday (2 nights ago) after 9:45 pm. They do not have top 3 talent as far looks go on WS bars. The girls are mostly attractive though. The article on Bangkok.com about it being the top bar on WS is probably at least 2 years old. I probably would frequent only 3 of the top 5 bars on their list. I'm not big on Bacarra but I do like Patts Bacarra more than Soi Cowboy Bacarra. I think its overrated and the Cowboy branch makes you pay before entering on Peak nights a whopping 180 bht. But hey it was full of white punters.

Rasputin.

I went to Rasputin tonight because I got bored and stumbled upon it after walking to check out Soi 6. It is very comparable to the other soapies past Mcdonalds and hard rock hotel. They start at 2. 5 k and go up to 4. 5 k (for VIP girls). As I aforementioned the lineups are better at Huay Kwang soapies. But even their lineup has fell off from 2 years ago. I didn't see the ultra fresh cute early 20 something lineup girls last week in BKK. I'm going to loosen the purse strings next month and pay markup for quality.

Soi 6.

It is a mini WS. At least 25% ladyboy. I heard guys raving about it but the ladyboy presence make beer gardens not for me. Lots of neon graphics. Ladyboys are aggressive on Soi 6,7,8. And some have tried to fool me which dispels the just ask if unsure theory. Some even invite you to grab there crotch. But I think that is a ruse to feel you up in return.

[Daddy07]

I was speaking yesterday to a Thailand veteran (not on this forum) who has recently returned from a trip to Bangkok and Pattaya. This is a man who speaks fluent Thai, understands the local culture well, has worked there for 12 years and made the most of his single status in South East Asia.

He also mentioned that the GoGo bars in Pattaya specially seem very clearly focused on looting customers. The girls look good, no doubt but a majority of them have had their looks surgically enhanced in every thinkable manner. Plenty of them have body art and / or piercings which tends to put off a few people I know. The prices are absolutely insane. A bottle of water alone can cost you 100 baht. Lady drinks cost 300 baht in most places on WS barring a few smaller joints with less number of less pretty girls. Most of the girls are not interested in barfining at all and if they do, it is probably because you have spent a lot on her and the mamasan has persuaded her. This does not guarantee a good time back in the room, if she ever makes it to that stage. And if she does, expect nothing more than a ST. Anyway the price she will quote for a LT will be prohibitive. The clubs to watch out for are Sapphire, Sensations, What's Up, Iron, Alcatraz, Skyfall which have the prettiest girls. Baccara, I think, has totally lost the plot. Windmill & Sugarbaby cater to a different taste, more raunchy. The rest of the joints, IMHO, are not worth setting foot into. I think you've been misinformed by your fluent Thai speaking friend. I've lived here over 8 years and I don't know of any go-go bar that charges 300 baht for a lady drink. The usual cost is between 140-160 baht. Bar fines in the Happy group clubs are 800 baht. Most of the girls love to get bar fined. The majority of the best looking girls have not been altered surgically, although a fair percentage have silicone tits. Yes prices have gone up but not nearly as much as what your pal told you. Many of the same girls charging tourists 2000 baht ST and 4000 LT are giving me their phone numbers and meeting me for 1000ST. As Mr. E so often says. The name of the game is negotiation.

[Cool]

I think you've been misinformed by your fluent Thai speaking friend. I've lived here over 8 years and I don't know of any go-go bar that charges 300 baht for a lady drink. The usual cost is between 140-160 baht. Bar fines in the Happy group clubs are 800 baht. Most of the girls love to get bar fined. The majority of the best looking girls have not been altered surgically, although a fair percentage have silicone tits. Yes prices have gone up but not nearly as much as what your pal told you. Many of the same girls charging tourists 2000 baht ST and 4000 LT are giving me their phone numbers and meeting me for 1000ST. As Mr. E so often says. The name of the game is negotiation.I had corrected him on lady drink prices earlier. His friend may be confusing LOS with Phils. One way girls are fleecing customers is they are not ordering full size beers and getting very small drinks. Filipinos will generally sit with you longer and if you are a slow drinker match the pace at which you are consuming your beverage. So a Thai lady can consume her drink in well under 10 minutes. And discern quickly whether you will keep the overpriced drinks flowing or search for her next payday. Where in the Phils they will sit with me over 10 minutes. 90% of the time unless it is that rare situation where a princess blows you off and refuses your drink offer. I like that strategy and will be proactive and start giving out my phone number. If I had more time here I would have personal business cards made up. If a girl isn't feeling you or is ultra cute / popular she can demand a higher price to dissuade you. They could also try the bait and switch. I immediately ordered my number one choice a drink before anyone could pry her off stage. Her friend walks by and I offer her a drink also. After the pleasantries my #1 choice says they do threesomes. But she asks for 3 k but her friend 2 k. Fortunately the club has a handful of other hotties I wouldn't mind getting my hands on so I may start with a blank canvas next time and select a different stunner and see what she says.

[Blanquiceleste]

I think you've been misinformed by your fluent Thai speaking friend. I've lived here over 8 years and I don't know of any go-go bar that charges 300 baht for a lady drink. The usual cost is between 140-160 baht. Bar fines in the Happy group clubs are 800 baht. Most of the girls love to get bar fined. The majority of the best looking girls have not been altered surgically, although a fair percentage have silicone tits. Yes prices have gone up but not nearly as much as what your pal told you. Many of the same girls charging tourists 2000 baht ST and 4000 LT are giving me their phone numbers and meeting me for 1000ST. As Mr. E so often says. The name of the game is negotiation.Thanks for the attempt to restore my faith in Thailand. But an important point is that you stay in Thailand and have a distinct advantage over people like us who visit for short period of time. Getting a girl's number and then meeting up for 1000 baht isn't exactly negotiation. That is being smart and making the most of your residency status. Negotiation is when you manage to beat down the price quoted in the exact same setting where the quote was made originally.

I am not about to abandon Thailand in any way, unless I witness this for myself. Plus I have a special liking for Thai women, Thai food, Thai culture and the Thai countryside that has brought me back to this wonderful country every single year for the past several years.

[ALion2]

IMO Thailand is finished as a mongering destination. Much too expensive (for what you get) by comparison with other destinations.Talking about expensive: In Phuket many of the bars (not agogos, just ordinary bars) along the Bangla road walking street have a barfine of 1500 baht and the ladies wants 3000-4000 for LT and of course some 200 baht lady drinks / shots before accepting to go. Totally 5000 baht.

[JohnnieBravo]

It has been about three years since I've been to Pattaya. I myself tend to prefer freelancers because I have not noticed much difference in terms of performance between them and the bar or go go bar girls. There were pretty many freelancers in the Coconut Bar (Beech Road) who were available for $500 to $700 baht, is this still the going rate? Also, other than the discos, are there any other good places to meet freelancers and if so what are the prices? Thanks!

[Juicyclamlover]

Talking about expensive: In Phuket many of the bars (not agogos, just ordinary bars) along the Bangla road walking street have a barfine of 1500 baht and the ladies wants 3000-4000 for LT and of course some 200 baht lady drinks / shots before accepting to go. Totally 5000 baht.Pattaya has always been cheaper than BKK or Phuket, the prices in Phuket are a joke in comparison so I don't go there any more.

[Mr Enternational]

I had corrected him on lady drink prices earlier. His friend may be confusing LOS with Phils. One way girls are fleecing customers is they are not ordering full size beers and getting very small drinks. Filipinos will generally sit with you longer and if you are a slow drinker match the pace at which you are consuming your beverage. So a Thai lady can consume her drink in well under 10 minutes. And discern quickly whether you will keep the overpriced drinks flowing or search for her next payday.Yesterday me and my friend went to the Telephone Bar. Now I was just showing it to him. I did not plan on sessioning because my LT chick from the night before had just left my room and I don't much dig paying 1000 for a ST when I pay that for a LT. When we walked in 2 chicks approached us. I said that I liked the bartender so she went and switched to a bikini while some other chick went and worked behind the bar.

Since I did not plan on sessioning I went ahead and bought her a drink so I could sit there and touch her body and get her to touch mine. But my buddy was out of the bar and to the room in no time flat (even though he had a girl that just left too) and this chick already had my dick on torpedo from reaching up into my shorts playing with it, so I decided to follow suit.

When we got back from the session the bartender gave the girl her drink back. The girl then asked me if she could have another drink. I said you still have that drink. She picked it up and guzzled it and said okay now. I laughed and told her we were leaving and asked for the bill. For my club soda and whatever she drank it was 210. For the bar it was 300. And for the girl there was a separate fee of 700 paid directly to her. So total 1210 baht.

Oh yeah. When we got to the room she tried to upsell me on a big room with AC for 500. I do not know if it was supposed to be 500 additional or 200 with the 300 fee that was already supposed to be paid to the bar to total 500. What I do know though that the place where I was was hotter than 2 rabbits fucking in a wool sock.

[Mr Enternational]

Ladyboys are aggressive on Soi 6,7,8. And some have tried to fool me which dispels the just ask if unsure theory. Some even invite you to grab there crotch. But I think that is a ruse to feel you up in return.We will get more into this when we meet up in a couple of hours, but one sure sign is that they do this. A normal woman walking down those streets will almost never grab your dick or your arm. A normal woman will only first block you from walking then she will put her arms around you and try to push you towards her bar. The first thing a LB is going to do is either grab your dick or reach out and grab your upper arm with one hand. But I have never had any of them try to trick me. Even last night on a website one was totally up front with me.

[Uncle Volodya]

Yesterday me and my friend went to the Telephone Bar. Did you ever make it to What's Up? I am curious to see if you guys were able to put your bargaining skills to good use there?

When it come to pussy I am a terrible negotiator and have much to learn on that front.

[Old New Guy]

Pattaya has always been cheaper than BKK or Phuket, the prices in Phuket are a joke in comparison so I don't go there any more.I mongered in Phuket many years, practically always at Hollywood disco. I've never set foot in a bar, or go-go (of which there are very few anyway). Another friend of mine wouldn't even bother with the disco, he would find girls on Bangla road or other ways. I've never found the prices to be higher than in Pattaya, either for ladies or anything else. Sure some tried, e.g. the street food 100B a dish, but one would just have to move to the next stop. There even more than in Pattaya is vital to drive a scooter otherwise one will be pray of the bike / small taxi gouging. Right now the hotels have more aggressive Expedia promotions than in Pattaya. I don't go there anymore just as a matter of "personal choice", laziness if you will.

[Crocodilexp]

It has been about three years since I've been to Pattaya. There were pretty many freelancers in the Coconut Bar (Beech Road) who were available for $500 to $700 baht, is this still the going rate?Yes, they're still around, and 700 is still the going rate. Unfortunately, quality is far lower than what you might remember, and due to police raids the time window when most of them are out is fairly limited (19.30 until midnight or so).

Beach Road used to be my bread and butter as well, but since about two years ago, it has become more difficult to find anyone passable there.

As for other places with freelancers, they're all over. There's walking street and places behind (2nd road near VC hotel).

[Haven123]

When it come to pussy I am a terrible negotiator and have much to learn on that front.Yeah, I hear you, my fiend (haha, pun intended) !

But, I know why though!

As Mr. ENT was saying on the BKK boards, it's probably because you initially did not specify anything about you taking your clothes off! So, your girls then renegotiate with you afresh, saying that what they agreed to was based on her taking her clothes off. But, not you taking yours off !!! So, I think ya better start with Negotiations 101 buddy!!

And so, now we know why you stayyyyyy so horny my friend! LOL.

Seriously now, I think it's your smile and friendly demeanor. And, that you just want to, want to, go (or 'come' , as the case may be) right awayyyyyyyyy.

I dunno, but me thinks negotiation equals time patience, back and forth banter and willingness to walk away from A girl, or all girls, on a particular night. Among other things, ceteris paribus. But, YMMV.

P.S. (BTW what's the equivalent for LOL in Russia / Russian. Yeah, I know I'm setting a trap for myself with you on this question. But go ahead anyways.).

[ALion2]

I mongered in Phuket many years, practically always at Hollywood disco. I've never set foot in a bar, or go-go (of which there are very few anyway). Another friend of mine wouldn't even bother with the disco, he would find girls on Bangla road or other ways. I've never found the prices to be higher than in Pattaya, either for ladies or anything else. Sure some tried, e.g. the street food 100B a dish, but one would just have to move to the next stop. There even more than in Pattaya is vital to drive a scooter otherwise one will be pray of the bike / small taxi gouging. Right now the hotels have more aggressive Expedia promotions than in Pattaya. I don't go there anymore just as a matter of "personal choice", laziness if you will.I do not agree at all. I have been spending a lots of time in both Phuket and Pattaya during the past 3-4 years and consider everything to be a lot more expensive in Phuket. Just a few samples:

-Kebab at street stalls. Phuket: 100 baht. Pattaya: 60 baht.

-A regular beer in a beer bar. Phuket mostly 80-120 baht. Pattaya mostly 60-80 baht.

-A lady drink in a beer bar. Phuket: around 200 baht. Pattaya: around 120 baht.

-A standard drink in one of the most famous night clubs. Phuket: 250 baht. Pattaya: 120 baht. Four drinks in Phuket: 1000 baht. Four drinks in Pattaya: 480 baht.

-A standard drink in agogo. Phuket: around 200 baht. Pattaya: around 150 baht.

-Transportation. Minimum fare with a Phuket Tuk Tuk: 200 baht. 300 at night time if you want to ride home with a lady. Pattaya Songtaews: 20 baht. In night time with a lady: still 20 baht.

-Barfines. Phuket Bangla Road bars: Standard: 1500 baht. Range: 1000-1700. Pattaya WS bars: Standard 800. Range: 400-1000.

Conclusion: Lets say you have a kebab, two regular beers in a beer bar, you buy two lady drinks, one drink at a agogo, four drinks at a famous night club, goes back to the bar and takes another beer and a lady drink, barfines the lady in the bar and ride her home to your place.

Spending in Phuket: 4000 baht + payment to the lady (wich also use to be higher in Phuket).

Spending in Pattaya: 2100 baht + payment to the lady.

The night out in Phuket would be almost double as expensive as in Pattaya.

By the way: Hollywood is out. Almost no people there anymore. Instead a new place, Illuzion, is the number one place in Phuket. Illuzion is very far away from what Hollywood was. Hollywood was the perfect environment for FL pick ups. Illuzion comprises very much of huge VIP areas to which you have no access unless you buy at least one full bottle of spirits priced 4500 baht and upwards. Girls gets in to the VIP's and gets bottles for free if in a group of four ladies or more, or if they know the security guys.

[Mr Enternational]

Did you ever make it to What's Up? I am curious to see if you guys were able to put your bargaining skills to good use there?

When it come to pussy I am a terrible negotiator and have much to learn on that front.Cool took me by there tonight. Here is my review from being in there for all of 2 minutes.

First of all I don't think the name is Whats Up. If I am not mistaken, it had a name on top of the sign and underneath that name it said "By: What's Up".

The place is loud as fuck. I could not even hear the girl trying to explain the prices to me. So negotiating was definitely a no go.

The drink menu did not have prices on it. Whenever that is the case prepare to bend over.

They have kindergarten seating. Miniature stools or benches that when you sit on them your knees touch your chest. At the prices they are trying to charge, each guy who enters should have his personal throne to sit in.

There were tons of women, and from what I could gather most if not all fit the Thailand model type. By that I mean they were white skinned and tall. Looked like they stepped off a billboard or out of a TV commercial.

If I ever pay this much for pussy I will not. From what I could gather over the ear shattering music there are 2 tiers of women. The low tier: Barfine 1500, Short time 3000, Long time 5000. The high tier: Barfine 3000, Short time could not hear, Long time wish I did not hear (10,000).

[Kumbu]

The low tier: Barfine 1500, Short time 3000, Long time 5000. The high tier: Barfine 3000, Short time could not hear, Long time wish I did not hear (10,000).Holy crap. That's 13,000B all-in for the high-tier LT (excluding the take-it-up-the-ass drink prices). Yikes, that's catering to a crowd that I definitely do not fit into. Thanks for the report, Mr E.

[Mr Enternational]

Took Cool to 808 to show him what I have been saying on this thread for years about the discos.

I sat in my usual seat next to the door. Cool was standing behind me in the hall. As a chick passed I would grab them by the hand and flip them over to him and say my friend likes you. He would then start a conversation with them.

I got enough of that. He was doing it with one chick and she started to walk away. I said no man fuck that. Do it like this. I told the girl let's go. She said where. I said to my room and fuck. She said are you serious. I said yes. She said how much. I said how much you want. She said 2000. I said no 1000. She said 2000. I said no thank you.

Another girl came by and it was the same deal. She wanted 2000. A third girl came by and wanted 2000 as well. I told her no. 1000. She stuck to 2000. I said okay 1200. She said 1500. Just come up 300. I told her just go down 300.

She said this is my first time here. I am new. I said that is exactly why you are getting 1200. If it was not your first time then you would be getting 1000. I slung her over to Cool and said okay man she is going with you for 1200. He said how much time will she stay? I said man you are asking too questions. Until tomorrow. The girl asked where his hotel was and they were out of there. No drinks. No interviewing. None of that shit. But I think I did hear him ask her name as they walked out. I can't wait to see how it turns out for him.

[The Cane]

This is excerpted from a much longer report I wrote on 12-20-15 entitled "The Incidents" (about discriminatory door policies in Thailand):

At What's Up on Soi 15 in Pattaya, I was denied admission altogether with no "option" of purchasing a "membership". I went to a place right across the street where their doormen had witnessed what had just happened. They were extra courteous and welcomed me in. When I left, again extra courtesy and giving me back slaps knowing that I had been treated with great disrespect across the street.

But here's the pisser about What's Up. So, I take Soi 15 back up to Walking Street and there are two barkers or touts there for What's Up. They have signs and they stop me and encourage me to go check the place out, obviously not knowing what happened before! Unbelievable! I explained to the two guys how I had been denied admission and was told "members only" and all that bullshit.

They understood, and then stood there looking a bit dumbfounded and incredulous. I looked back down Soi 15 towards What's Up, put two birds (middle fingers) up into the air and yelled, "Yeah, What's Up? What's Up? Fuck you!" I did it again, and then me and the two guys had a laugh about it. And then I moved on. Evidently, What's Up's racist door policy hasn't been disseminated all the way down to the rank and file working the streets.

[Cool]

Mr. E is a great guy! He showed me the ropes. Of course I'm virtually hopeless. Sex was great but after 30 minutes. And a busted nut the girl was a runner. I knew it was a red flag when she asked for money upfront. Definite no repeat. She had nice plump breasts. 2 kids. See-scar. About 5'7" claims to be 24 yo. No big deal because it is $24 cheaper than a soapie and in the comfort of my room. I ran into an old mutual friend and had a great time with the guys. While chilling at the market I went to restroom and 2 minutes. Upon my return there were two 23 year olds exchanging line with me. Me and Mr. E is polar opposites because he has game.

Whats Up Go Go!

I showed him Whats Up. The bar was packed and I saw 1 stunner. But they charge first world prices for beer 215 bht ($6 usd). Very unthailandan and perfect for tourists and Asians with money to burn.


Took Cool to 808 to show him what I have been saying on this thread for years about the discos.

I sat in my usual seat next to the door. Cool was standing behind me in the hall. As a chick passed I would grab them by the hand and flip them over to him and say my friend likes you. He would then start a conversation with them.

I got enough of that. He was doing it with one chick and she started to walk away. I said no man fuck that. Do it like this. I told the girl let's go. She said where. I said to my room and fuck. She said are you serious. I said yes. She said how much. I said how much you want. She said 2000. I said no 1000. She said 2000. I said no thank you..

[Mr Enternational]

So many stories from today, but let me tell one more before I fall asleep next to my new girl. We left Whats Up and went to Angel Witch. It was my navy and college buddy's last few hours so we had to make them count. He went in and immediately had 3 chicks. He ended up passing one off to Cool after he did Buddha knows what to her. I was chillin with my girl and just rubbing on her pussy. I had bought her a lady drink.

I told the mamasan that I wanted to fuck her though. She said she had only been working there 3 months I think. She told me to buy her a drink but I told her that she could drink in my room when she got there. She said they close the club at 3. I said okay I will see you at 3:15. She said no. I said okay 3:20 then. She said no. I said well just give me your phone number and you can call me when you are on the way. So of course Line pops up and I say Hi, so she would be sure to have my ID. All the fun was on me and I think I paid 1300 baht for our tab. It seemed my buddy had a secondary bill though and I have no idea what that came to. Probably no more than a couple hundred baht. I think lady drinks were 175 or something. The time was 12:50.

Fast forward and I left 808 at 3:35 and picked my new girl up on Soi Yensabai before continuing home. At the corner of 3rd Road I saw 2 chicks with Angel Witch shirts on their bikes headed home. As soon as I got in my door I got a message from the mamasan saying she finished work and needed my address. I told her that I was already sleeping and would catch her tomorrow.

[Haven123]

You da man, Mr. ENT! U Be Da Man!

Regretting that I missed you when I was there! But so glad you were there to help these other guys.

You are one cool dude! Love ya man!

Oh yeah, and Uncle V needs you too. Next time! Poor man needs some lessons in International Relations 101, specifically: Negotiiations for Horny Uncles.

And, I need help for the doomed! Maybe Angel Witches ? Angel Bi(t)ches will do as well.....

[Haven123]

Holy crap. That's 13,000B all-in for the high-tier LT (excluding the take-it-up-the-ass drink prices). Yikes, that's catering to a crowd that I definitely do not fit into. Thanks for the report, Mr E.Yeah, makes you wonder how much of that is fixed share for the protection racket in Pattaya.

Who knows? Buy maybe, just maybe 3,000 of that for the protection racket mafia, 3,000 for rent, staff, utilities, cost of drink supplies, and other overhead, 3,000 for the go go girl, and 4,000 profit/ return for the go go owner/operator for capital deployed, management and the many inherent risks in the business.

I'm thinking now compared to FL's who are not dealing with house overhead of rent, staff, utilities, profit / return for the house opeartor / owner. Besides any protection racket payoff / share.

And, after that is done, of what's left I'm guessing there is another split between the girl and the Mamasan, even if just 90-10. So, of the 13,000 Baht (for any of those suckers paying that) , I would be very surprised if the girl actually ends up with more than 2,500 -3000 Baht for a LT. Of course, they make lots more during the night from any other Lady Drinks they get other guys to buy them. Who don't end up bar fining them.

So, if you compare these model lookers vs. Other FL's (at Ibar, Insomnia or 808), it's kinda easy to understand the net take of the Top Model- Like Go Go girls, vs. The LT 2,000 baht for a quality looking FL, at such discos, who don't have to do the Go Go dancing or hustle guys for lady drinks. And, the FL's get to enjoy their time in the disco on their own, or with a friend (s), dance, enjoy the ambiance etc.

There's something to be said for the FL independent operators, IMO.

Besides, I venture to guess that at least some of the model looking Go Go girls may have a Thai BF they are also supporting to some extent, and who are keeping a tight leash on them for the Go Go owner and the protection racket guys. Just a guess here.....

I think there's a lot there to unpack that doesn't quite meet the eye.

[Eric Swiss]

This is the 100th girl on whom I write a lay report. Once you reach triple digits, you just don't see the world with the same eyes.

I started the night at Happy-A-Go-Go because I always need a warm-up bar to get me into the mood, and they have a nice atmosphere with very lively girls, some showing tits. But sadly not much in the way of lookers.

After one beer, I called it quits and moved to Skyfall, where I knew there would be some eye candy. I was not disappointed. As soon as I sat down, some skinny chick with a see-through fishnet top sat next to me and tried to angle for a lady drink. Normally I don't like to be harpooned within the first 15 seconds, but she was cute, I was horny, and if you don't bend your own rules on Walking Street, where will you bend them? She went for the old "I've got to go dance now" trick, but given she hadn't touched her glass, she was bound to come back after her stint around the chrome pole, which she dutifully did.

Her name was Ooi. She was from Bangkok. She said it was her first day of work at Skyfall. She looked a bit inexperienced, so maybe she'd just got dumped by her boyfriend and was testing the waters to see if prostitution was a good career move. She did give off the vibe of the virgin working girl, not virgin in the technical sense obviously, but relatively unjaded and even slightly nervous at the unexpected. Fortunately for her, she was in good experienced hands, mine.

She asked for 2500ST, which I negotiated down to 2000, not that I really cared, but out of principle. We jumped to Oasis short-time motel, showered, and snuck under the bed sheets. She was actually really good. I spent quite some time warming her up, and at some point she was good to go, so I started fucking her, slowly at first, but then with more abandon. It was very much like fucking a girlfriend or a freelancer from the Ibar. She couldn't do the reverse cowgirl, another sign of inexperience. At the end I had trouble cumming, as usual, so I concentrated on getting her off instead with some deft dick strokes. Obviously I failed, but at least I got her well warmed up, which in turn worked me up enough to get me off. A glorious conclusion to a nice, two-beer night out in Pattaya.

Would I recommend? Absolutely. She's fresh off the boat, and you don't see that every day. Would I repeat? No, because I took too long to come, so now I have a bad reputation as a hard-to-please customer. But all in all, she was definitely worthy of having been my 100th hooker.

[Daddy07]

Cool took me by there tonight. Here is my review from being in there for all of 2 minutes.I've said it more than once on this board -- that place caters to the tourist suckers.

[Member #4698]

There were tons of women, and from what I could gather most if not all fit the Thailand model type. By that I mean they were white skinned and tall. Looked like they stepped off a billboard or out of a TV commercial.

If I ever pay this much for pussy I will not. From what I could gather over the ear shattering music there are 2 tiers of women. The low tier: Barfine 1500, Short time 3000, Long time 5000. The high tier: Barfine 3000, Short time could not hear, Long time wish I did not hear (10,000).The last time I was in What's Up I saw 4 or 5 girls that I considered top quality, ie young, fit, real friendly, and beautiful. The rest of the girls were more or less Walking Street Go Go quality except with a particular What's Up look about them (makeup, hair, costumes). I did not pay much attention to them, only the stunners.

I have said it many times: What's Up is a Go Go you either hate to love or love to hate. There seems to be no middle ground on this. Now I am in the hate to love group because I like really pretty Thai girls, but I hate the pricing (double tier barfines ect). That said, I never paid more than 4000 bt for my What's Up girls and I do agree that !0,000 bt for LT is an outrageous sum, but I also must add that the big fee is not relevant unless you are in a big hurry and can't let things run their natural course.

The reason I say this is twofold and simple. 1st, I never take a new Go Go girl LT until I get to know her and she has shown me a great time at least a couple of times. 2nd, after I have been with a Go Go girl a few times and we have a good relationship going, the LT fee is no longer relevant. The good ones and I mean the ones I repeat with, stay for 4 or 5 hours minimum anyway without my asking. Yeah, even those girls that "look like they stepped off a billboard or out of a TV commercial. " give me the GFE or I don't bother to see them again.

For example; take Nut, my all time favorite What's Up Girl. Nut is a stunner and she has a distinctive look. I still remember that first night I walked into her bar and saw her dancing on the stage. I wanted her the second I saw her. Usually I take my time and think about the girl and compare her to others, but not when I saw her. Anyway, after we got to know each other, I used to make dates with Nut whenever I wanted to see her. She would then wait for me to stop by the bar a little before midnight. I would buy her one lady drink and one for her cousin and then she would go to change. Then after midnight when the barfine dropped down to 1000 bt we would split. She usually stayed until morning unless she had something to do, but in any case I always gave her the same 4000 bt. Once a month she would come up to BKK to see her kid who lived in the city with her mother. We would get together in BKK on those occasions as well and she would spend the night.

Let me add that Nut is a wild one in bed once her clit is orally stimulated properly. 555. She got engaged to a British guy in late 2012 and lived in Birmingham for a while so I lost track of her for a couple of years. Then I ran into her again last year in September 2015. It was great seeing her again. We shacked up for 6 nights. So bottom line for me is I hate to love What's Up, but I really like it because it's all about the girls and I like really attractive Asian girls! I know of no other bar that has this high girl quality except a few Gentlemen's Clubs in BKK and the G-Clubs are where you will really spend large.

[Old New Guy]

I do not agree at all.
-A regular beer in a beer bar. Phuket mostly 80-120 baht. Pattaya mostly 60-80 baht.
...

I had specified clearly: I have never spent a penny on any of the above exploiting setups. Not in Phuket, not in Pattaya, not in Bangkok. My regular cost of living plus gifts given to girls was the same than here. I was also making 1K offers and sometime these worked. Caveat emptor.


By the way: Hollywood is out. Almost no people there anymore. Instead a new place, Illuzion, is the number one place in Phuket. Illuzion is very far away from what Hollywood was. Hollywood was the perfect environment for FL pick ups.Yes I've heard that, it sucks. Buddhism teaches: "everything changes". We can just move on.

[Eszpresszo]

I had specified clearly: I have never spent a penny on any of the above exploiting setups. Not in Phuket, not in Pattaya, not in Bangkok. Caveat emptor.

Yes I've heard that, it sucks. Buddhism teaches: "everything changes". We can just move on.Right! And more mongers need to do that. Move on. We are always reading about mongers complaining how things have changed, and they are not to their liking, and the conclusion is that the location is not as good as it once was. They blame the problem on the situation, but I think the problem is with the mongers, who can't move on. They seem stuck in the same habit and they keep expecting the same results. Problem is that they are chasing their past. Same thing on the other forums: Sosua, Colombia, the German FKK thread. Mongers complain about the places not being like they remember them, and they complain of dissatisfaction and disappointment. I think they would avoid this disappointment if they could just try something different.

I don't mean to brag, but this past year, since my divorce last June has been a great year. I went to Berlin (my first visit to Europe in over a decade) and had some great mongering experiences in Berlin, as well as reconnecting with an old friend. Last month, I went to Medellin and had a great time there. Honestly, I would love to visit these places again. Medellin in particular is inexpensive to fly to (thanks to Spirit Airlines), it isn't a long journey and the mongering costs are dirt cheap. But, I think I would benefit from trying something new. As I mentioned earlier, I visited an old friend in Berlin. I asked if I could come back for a visit soon. He said "Sure, but you should really visit Asia first. " I didn't argue with him. So I am planning a trip to the LOS in the fall. I have little doubt I will have a blast. So what if some mongers don't like what it is now. What impact will that have on my visit? None! It will all be new to me. That said, all of you Thailand enthusiasts might consider a different continent with a different language. The Dominican Republic, Peru or maybe even Brazil (their currency has seriously devalued in recent years). Keep trying new things and you won't be too disappointed.

[Old New Guy]

I would be very surprised if the girl actually ends up with more than 2,500 -3000 Baht for a LT. Of course, they make lots more during the night from any other Lady Drinks they get other guys to buy them. Who don't end up bar fining them.
Not really. Normal lady's share for a LD is 60 Bt, and she doesn't get paid if she loses the slip copy. Only ugly or desperate girls live by LDs.

[Uncle Volodya]

Cool took me by there tonight. Here is my review from being in there for all of 2 minutes.

First of all I don't think the name is Whats Up. If I am not mistaken, it had a name on top of the sign and underneath that name it said "By: What's Up".

The place is loud as fuck. I could not even hear the girl trying to explain the prices to me. So negotiating was definitely a no go.

The drink menu did not have prices on it. Whenever that is the case prepare to bend over.

They have kindergarten seating. Miniature stools or benches that when you sit on them your knees touch your chest. At the prices they are trying to charge, each guy who enters should have his personal throne to sit in.

There were tons of women, and from what I could gather most if not all fit the Thailand model type. By that I mean they were white skinned and tall. Looked like they stepped off a billboard or out of a TV commercial.

If I ever pay this much for pussy I will not. From what I could gather over the ear shattering music there are 2 tiers of women. The low tier: Barfine 1500, Short time 3000, Long time 5000. The high tier: Barfine 3000, Short time could not hear, Long time wish I did not hear (10,000).Thanks for the post MrE. When I first saw it I was hoping you could work your magic and pull a girl there for 5 BF and 1000ST. 555.

Yup those are the insane prices that were quoted to me a few weeks ago when I was there.

Incredible that they are packed to the rafters every night! They must be making money hand over fist.

The girls are damned hot, as Natty pointed out. But if you look more closely Most may not be all that hotter than average. Just made up better. Wouldn't it be a ***** to pay that enormous BF and then find the girl to be only average when you see her in the light? And what if she turned out to be a starfish / runner?

Anyhow, thansk for trying. I still need my lessons in "Negotiations in Enternational Relations" though. 555.

[Socker]

I've said it more than once on this board -- that place caters to the tourist suckers.I'm a gogo guy too because the hottest pussies are in the gogos but that said. Do I want to be treated like a sucker? Well many mongers don't mind this and so the hot women in the gogos are in control, a 100% control.

I don't know what it's like if you're under 40 and good looking but if you're older w / questionable game you are a piece of nothing to them. I look good for my age just over 60 and I was not consider when sitting at the gogo by the hottest dancers.

They don't look at you. They have made an art form out of avoiding your gaze on their beautiful faces and bodies.

Thailand was a big let down for me, especially because of gogo rip-offs. Bangkok was worse, w / heavy drink pressure, spoiled bitches that only go w / one race, no photos, time limits from when you leave the gogo w / them. , see etc.

There are exceptions but in the top gogos prepare to be skewered. The big cities are taking their cue from towns like Phuket where monger tourist are like cows for the slaughter.

If you're a westerner go take a walk inside the Thermae near Soi 15. You'll be the 2% of westerners in there and you will not be considered by the (super fine Thai, or mid tier) bitches selling their pussies there.

Thailand has lost a lot of credibility as a place to go where I will have an enjoyable time w / a beautiful Thai babe. Lower tier ladies are plentiful and provide good service, just don't expect the top tier ladies doing that.

I learned a lot from my month in Thailand. Pattaya, Bangkok just didn't cut it for me. I spent a week in the PI and it was as usual, a buyers market.

My next trip in Sept will not be to Thailand, I can do w / constantly being ripped off.

[Mr Enternational]

My buddy is crazy. He left Pattaya at 3:30 this morning for his flight to LOS Angeles by way of Hong Kong. As soon as he got to Hong Kong, he bought a ticket to come back to Thailand at the end of August. I told him no matter how much time he spends in this place, it is never enough.

[Uncle Volodya]

My buddy is crazy. He left Pattaya at 3:30 this morning for his flight to LOS Angeles by way of Hong Kong. As soon as he got to Hong Kong, he bought a ticket to come back to Thailand at the end of August. I told him no matter how much time he spends in this place, it is never enough.Fuck me if I don't know that feeling. 555.

[Haven123]

My buddy is crazy. He left Pattaya at 3:30 this morning for his flight to LOS Angeles by way of Hong Kong. As soon as he got to Hong Kong, he bought a ticket to come back to Thailand at the end of August. I told him no matter how much time he spends in this place, it is never enough.Yeah, I think I know the feeling, Mr ENT. I did something similar. But it took me between 5-6 days after I left the LOS to do it. So, your buddy has me beat !

I wish I too could come soon,. Unfortunately my plans were already done through the end of the year (with non refundable tickets and such). I envy your buddy though and I'm glad you were able to help him. I hope he stays longer in August.

As for my sorry self, I am booked with air to LOS and confirmed at VT 6 ...... for Janu-frickin-ary! Best I could do! After having given it a lot of thought, I will be in Pattaya in Jan / Feb for 5 weeks. Please make sure you guys leave the lights on for me.

( P.S.: I will be in your other favorite haunt; Pto Pta area in Oct for about 3-4 weeks...so I'll be somewhat ok.).

[Sky Ryder]

My buddy is crazy. He left Pattaya at 3:30 this morning for his flight to LOS Angeles by way of Hong Kong. As soon as he got to Hong Kong, he bought a ticket to come back to Thailand at the end of August. I told him no matter how much time he spends in this place, it is never enough.I guess I really do need to do a little exploring outside of BK the next trip!

[Member #4698]

My buddy is crazy. He left Pattaya at 3:30 this morning for his flight to LOS Angeles by way of Hong Kong. As soon as he got to Hong Kong, he bought a ticket to come back to Thailand at the end of August. I told him no matter how much time he spends in this place, it is never enough.I must be crazy too. I am back home now from a 2 month trip less than 30 days and I just bought another round trip ticket to LOS. My excuse for booking so early is the ticket was cheap. Ha Ha, but I know the real reason; I am hooked on Asian poon. It is never enough!

[Mr Enternational]

I picked my buddy up at the Hilton where he had overnighted with a chick that I know. A motorbike taxi was called over for the girl. She said that her friend was still not at the room and she would not be able to get in because her friend has the key. So once again, the key thing is real and not just something chicks use to leave you before time is up. In this case she couldn't get in touch with the friend, but had she been able to, I could see the guy on the other end thinking his girl was trying to do a runner.

[Mr Enternational]

I was chillin at the hot spot with Cool when he walked off to check out some phone cases. Two chicks sat down at another table and I told them to come sit at the table with me instead. They came over and I was running out of things to talk about with them. I had only called them over to put Cool on them, but he still was not back yet. I finally had to call him to see what was taking so long. He came back and got their contact info. They were 23 and 20 years old and they work at what they said was the #1 agogo on LK Metro: Lady Love. They were just getting a bite to eat before work the same as most chicks at the hot spot around 5 pm.

[Haven123]

I was chillin at the hot spot with Cool when he walked off to check out some phone cases. Two chicks sat down at another table and I told them to come sit at the table with me instead. They came over and I was running out of things to talk about with them. I had only called them over to put Cool on them, but he still was not back yet. I finally had to call him to see what was taking so long. He came back and got their contact info. They were 23 and 20 years old and they work at what they said was the #1 agogo on LK Metro: Lady Love. They were just getting a bite to eat before work the same as most chicks at the hot spot around 5 pm.Now, the suspense is killing me. And then what happened, Mr Ent? Anything come out of the contact info with the gogo girls? The only girl I saw I was interested in at an LK metro gogo (after the Lady drink she went back to dance) about 2 weeks ago, and claimed she couldn't go out. Another Isaan girl. Surprised me.

[Jack Of Spades]

My buddy is crazy. He left Pattaya at 3:30 this morning for his flight to LOS Angeles by way of Hong Kong. As soon as he got to Hong Kong, he bought a ticket to come back to Thailand at the end of August. I told him no matter how much time he spends in this place, it is never enough.LOL. I know that feeling. I head for Pattaya in the morning for 2 weeks and already have 3 weeks in November booked. Life is so much better with things to look forward to.

[Uncle Volodya]

I picked my buddy up at the Hilton where he had overnighted with a chick that I know. A motorbike taxi was called over for the girl. She said that her friend was still not at the room and she would not be able to get in because her friend has the key. So once again, the key thing is real and not just something chicks use to leave you before time is up. In this case she couldn't get in touch with the friend, but had she been able to, I could see the guy on the other end thinking his girl was trying to do a runner.555. Astounding!

Maybe we should start a charity that offers free key reproductions for the deprived daughters of Issan.

[FL Hawk]

My buddy is crazy. He left Pattaya at 3:30 this morning for his flight to LOS Angeles by way of Hong Kong. As soon as he got to Hong Kong, he bought a ticket to come back to Thailand at the end of August. I told him no matter how much time he spends in this place, it is never enough.Yeah, I know the feeling!

I always am ready to come back home, but as soon as I do, I want to go back. Maybe in a few weeks or a few months, depending on how a few things go, I may be able to. Maybe the old timers lament the good old days of cheap pussy, but for me these are the good old days. In time, Walking Street and Soi 6 as we know them will be gone. And I am getting old. I am doing ok now, and most of the girls seem to think I am 10 years younger than I actually am, but before long I will feel old, or I will finally make a commitment to my Thai GF, and I will have to stop.

Enjoy it now.

[Haven123]

555. Astounding!

Maybe we should start a charity that offers free key reproductions for the deprived daughters of Issan.I'd be happy to chip in for this cause. Seriously!

One thing I heard is that they cannot just make a copy of the key. They have to buy it from the person they are renting from.

I'm not sure what other stuff that is involved. But, from what I heard from a girl that pulled this one on me at about 2 pm after we were returning from the Sriracha tiger zoo in a taxi, and caused a significant detour. I believe it may not be easy as us just going to Home Depot in the US and having a spare key made for a couple of bucks.

[FL Hawk]

I'd be happy to chip in for this cause. Seriously!

One thing I heard is that they cannot just make a copy of the key. They have to buy it from the person they are renting from.

I'm not sure what other stuff that is involved. But, from what I heard from a girl that pulled this one on me at about 2 pm after we were returning from the Sriracha tiger zoo in a taxi, and caused a significant detour. I believe it may not be easy as us just going to Home Depot in the US and having a spare key made for a couple of bucks.Haha.

I did ask Fon if she got another key and she did, so now 3 girls are sharing 2 keys. The key issues cost her 2000 baht that night, so I doubt she will let that happen again. But who knows with these girls?

[FL Hawk]

I do not agree at all. I have been spending a lots of time in both Phuket and Pattaya during the past 3-4 years and consider everything to be a lot more expensive in Phuket. Just a few samples:


-Barfines. Phuket Bangla Road bars: Standard: 1500 baht. Range: 1000-1700. Pattaya WS bars: Standard 800. Range: 400-1000.

On Pattaya WS, I found the BF ranged from 700 (Light House) up to 1500 (Bliss and Sugar Baby). Peppermint is 1000 (and 1500 before midnight), and Skyfall is up there as well. So, a few gogos are as expensive as Phuket.

If your choice is between Pattaya or Phuket for mongering, go to Pattaya. But don't avoid Phuket based on prices.

[Mr Enternational]

I used to say that if I ever get married again then it would be to a Thai, Brazilian, or Colombian. That was before I was definitely sure that I would not be getting married again. I am too set in my ways and my patience is just not thick enough to handle the bullshit. Chok dee to FL Hawk if he decides to make that commitment.

I remember telling Haven a couple of weeks ago that he should have lightened up with the girl who acted like she was going to throw up. Now I am kind of changing my tune. I am starting to realize the level of immaturity exhibited by Thai women in general. At first thought, I imagined that it was just the uneducated farm girls around Pattaya that exhibited this behavior. But as I thought about it more, I have dated some pretty book smart chicks with master's degrees and good jobs in Bangkok that act the same way.

It is like these Thai chicks do not realize there is a time to play and a time not to play. The other night me and Cool were in the bar of a chick that I know. This chick appears out of nowhere. I had never seen her before. I am not sure if she worked there or what. But she kept doing some bullshit joking around. At first it was cute and we thought she would just stop after a minute. We were holding a serious conversation and tried to ignore her in hopes that she would just go away. But she kept coming back. Finally I had to confront her and tell her that we were having a discussion and to go away. It worked for a minute but soon she was right back doing the same shit again. We finally concluded that the chick must have been learning disabled.

My neighbor spent the night last night. She just woke up and keeps fucking talking to me even though she sees I am doing something. I hear that same story from a lot of guys. I have no idea how her boyfriend has stayed with her so long. (But he has paid for cars and houses, so maybe he has too much invested. All I have done is let her sip on some liquor that I have had in my room forever.) After a couple of hours I am ready for her to go. But as a coworker once told me, there is a pot for every lid.

Last night she wanted to spend time together because I am leaving soon and her boyfriend is coming soon. She said that at first she thought it would be okay, but the last couple of days when she saw me with other chicks she started to get jealous. So she may move somewhere else. Seriously?

But anyway, last night she was drinking and had the glass on my bed. I told her to be careful because she should not have the drink on my bed in the first place. And what ended up happening? She spills the fucking drink. Then she laughs about it. Needless to say I was pissed. All I could think about was the adage that you pay them to leave. And this being a free chick...

About a month ago my main wingman said he was in Tesco Lotus with a chick he regularly deals with. I think they were sitting at a table eating ice cream and having a conversation. Out of nowhere she just started ignoring him for no apparent reason. He left that broad right there in the store. After a while she started sending him messages asking where he was because she couldn't find him. He told her that he was back in the comfort of his own room and was not going to put up with her shit.

And I have found that sometimes Thai chicks like to pinch you or bite you or even worse bite you dick and then laugh about it, as if it is fucking funny. Usually when they do that shit I clock them in the head.

The other night I was with a chick who just would not stop laughing and smiling. We are in mid fuck and the shit just continued. I kept asking what the fuck are you smiling about. I thought I was fucking the damn Joker or something.

I guess the more time that I spend in Thailand, the more I notice the little idiosyncracies that I did not notice before.

Son of a b. Now she was just playing with my dick and making the shit hurt. I knocked her hand away and she started laughing about it. Let me get this damn girl out of my room!

[Haven123]

1. I hear you and yeah everyone is different and cultures are by definition different.

2. Something I did not write about was this chick I met at Insomnia that was with me for several days. Now, that's not a month or a year. But, assuming she was totally honest, she'd only been in Pattaya, after a recent divorce in Udon Thani something like 6-9 months ago. This girls Englsih was so minimal and she brought this little teenie weenie book (by the way with phrases customized in print for Udon Thani specifically, for eg " I am from Udon Thani ". ) Anyway, this chick was and is special man. And the last night she was asking me (because I had told her that I was in Thailand after 12 years) if I would see again in 1 year, 2 years, 3 years or 10 years). Yeah, it was tough for me and I'm known as a guy who thinks like a computer. I have her number, she does not have mine. Or my email address or anything. And, true to form I have never contacted her after I left VT 6, more than 10 days ago. But, I guarantee you that all I want is the best for her. I hope she finds a nice guy (LOL probably not going to happen in Pattaya) and has something more than what I can give her. Which basically is zero, until I return, and she is still around and if she even wants to talk to me after zero contact by me for months and months.

Yeah, I try not to get involved. Just divorced after more than 2 decades of being married to a woman from the South who is also a corporate executive in her own right. We had no issues but just that we grew apart. And, no lawyers nothing. She actually got more than 50 PC. So, I'm not willing to even consider anything that draws me back into any kind of LT relationship. Why? I just don't want to feel responsible for another person in any way, shape or form ever again. It's been too much and I just can't handle it anymore.

But, this chick had everything man. During the time she was with me, she was totally classy. Total GFE. So, incredibly nice and so hard to let go. I think it was beginners luck for me in Pattaya. I doubt I will meet another like her. There was a similar chick in Peru and yeah, I find that it's pretty much the same in terms of finding class, for example in Sao Paolo. Compared to the DR where education is shit and the girls really have no class, and where they all culturally move from several to several all the time and it's a big smiling game for them. But, yet, I do like them very much in the DR despite all that because I find that it's way easier for me to even let the best DR chick go. Vs. From Brazil or Peru.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that there is always a pearl in the oyster in the oceans deep, waiting to be discovered. I am totally willing to bet that this girl I met in Pattaya is one of those. With only limited time experience of course. But, I'm generally a pretty good read of people and I have tested her personality in multiple ways already without her even being aware of it. Incredibly, incredibly nice. But move on I will. Its best for her and best for me too.

In these matters though, I believe that we are probably in some kind of mathematical universe, maybe even a higher level simulation ( like the matrix) and so these kinds of things can't be made to happen, they will happen of their own accord. Anyone trying to kind of get in the middle may only change the dynamic in what may be my local position in the Multiverse ( as first proposed by Hugh Everett ). It's the only theory I know where all we know of physics and math actually fits the data, particularly since everything ( yeah every frickin thing from biology to our brains to DNA) are proving to me based on Quantum Mechanics ( a la Alfred Schrodinger). And in a philosophical sense the math and physics and its implications also seem to jive philosophically with the Buddhist and Hindu views of the Univsrse ( as Einstein and Schrodinger have also noted).

In closing, I would say yeah, Brazil is a good bet, but I think you should not rule out the pearl in the oyster in the oceans deep in Thailand either. I think the Buddhist culture and frame of mind is a good foundational base but of course a lot more is needed on top of that. I totally dig the Isaan girls and I think the ones that have been in BKK for any length of time are likely to become jaded and hardened by the fast, transactional BKK high city life. So, do keep the faith MR ENT. I hope you don't rule out Thai girls. And may the force be with you!

[Ira Johnson]

My Chinese wife and I just arrived in Pattaya. We have enjoyed threesomes in Phils and home but this is her first time to Pattaya. She's eager to get to Walkng Street and get a hot gogo girl for a threesome. Recommendations on any particular bar best for couples?

I know most anywhere any girl is game. But last night we went to Soi Cowboy in BKK (staying w friends in BKK so could not take away, just wanted to dip our toes in the pool.

After disappointing lineups in Crazy House and Suzie Wong, she spotted two lookers in Baccara. We bought them drinks and it went like this:

Introduced self, wife. Wife talked and flirted but not too grabby. Both gals said they never did girls. OK. Onward. Called it a night to save energy and money for Patts.

So today Baobao tells me I fucked it up and for tonight we are not married, we are just casual friends from Shanghai who want to party here. Let her get touchy feel then I join in. I'm confused but OK with it- Baobaos opinion is that the dynamic is unbalanced as we are a long established couple and that makes the girl more of an outsider (her GFs in SH shared that they don't like being w couples as its all unbalanced).

I would not have thought it mattered. But I'm no fool, I don't pretend to understand the female mind, be it Chinese, Thai, wife or playmate.

Your thoughts on locations and protocol / procedure appreciated.

Ira

[Cool]

It is like these Thai chicks do not realize there is a time to play and a time not to play. The other night me and Cool were in the bar of a chick that I know. This chick appears out of nowhere. I had never seen her before. I am not sure if she worked there or what. But she kept doing some bullshit joking around. At first it was cute and we thought she would just stop after a minute. We were holding a serious conversation and tried to ignore her in hopes that she would just go away. But she kept coming back. Finally I had to confront her and tell her that we were having a discussion and to go away. It worked for a minute but soon she was right back doing the same shit again. We finally concluded that the chick must have been learning disabled.Yes, the chick was akin to an over the top sports commentator ruining the big game telecast. I bought her a 30 bht water early on and didn't realize the madness would ensue for 30+ minutes. I was afraid a cycle of violence would ensue from her light tapping. I was praying she wouldn't tap me hard enough where I responded with excessive force. I certainly didn't like her shtick. I was hoping the hot chick that had beautiful Asian features in every sense of the word would come over (Michelle). I half joked she was worse than the mute WG in AC.

[Daddy07]

... Son of a b. Now she was just playing with my dick and making the shit hurt. I knocked her hand away and she started laughing about it. Let me get this damn girl out of my room!I always enjoy your posts and this one is especially insightful, informative and amusing. It's no surprise to me that you have finally come to the conclusion that women, especially Thai girls, are not just immature but downright exasperating and unfathomable. If you let them they'll drive you nuts. That's why I stopped doing LT's years ago; they just don't make good long term companions. After a satisfying pursuit, sexual interlude and release they begin to bore me to distraction within a very short time.

It's easy to understand the reasons why. We're just not satisfied with only one woman. We want lots of them. We're motivated by sex. But sex is not a major motivation with these girls. Most of them just want money. Beyond money they're interested in attention. They want your attention. They want to be wanted. If they don't get it they'll start acting out. What were you possibly thinking when you got involved sexually with your neighbor? You had to know that it would lead to trouble. She's not wanting to be with you for the sex; she just wants attention; that's why "she keeps fucking talking" even when she sees you're doing something. You want sex. She wants attention. And you aren't prepared to give her what she wants.

So now she's starting to get jealous. Well of course she is. She's acting out. That's why she spilled the drink on your bed and laughed about it. She needs to get a reaction from you even though it is negative. The same thing happened to your wingman. His lady started acting up because he wasn't giving her what she wanted. And then they like to pinch you or bite you, or even worse bite your dick and laugh about it like it's "fucking funny. " See, that's when they start becoming passive aggressive. They start showing overt hostility because you're not giving them what they want. The one who would not stop laughing and smiling during mid-fuck was acting passive aggressive, wanting only to provoke a reaction from you.

You're experiencing the costs and paying the price of free. You know that free sex is a rarity; there is almost always a price and sometimes it's painful if, that is, you don't give those girls what they want. Thanks for giving me my chuckle of the day, Mr. E.

[Old New Guy]

One thing I heard is that they cannot just make a copy of the key. They have to buy it from the person they are renting from.

I'm not sure what other stuff that is involved. But, from what I heard from a girl that pulled this one on me at about 2 pm after we were returning from the Sriracha tiger zoo in a taxi, and caused a significant detour. I believe it may not be easy as us just going to Home Depot in the US and having a spare key made for a couple of bucks.Electronic (RFID) keys, supposedly can't be copied. At least, not for a couple bucks. The landlord can selectively block them, which is needed due to the high tenant turnover.



Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that there is always a pearl in the oyster in the oceans deep, waiting to be discovered. I am totally willing to bet that this girl I met in Pattaya is one of those. Among foreigners in Thailand, there's a simple sentence to say that: "my girl is different". Now, I'll spare a discussion on whatever science is behind this phenomena, but most believe that if any, is not related to Statistics or Lost Souls Matching.

[Old New Guy]

I used to say that if I ever get married again then it would be to a Thai, Brazilian, or Colombian.
...
Let me get this damn girl out of my room!If you read the FB profiles, blogs or whatever tragic story of young Americans, you will find that 1 out of 5 claim to suffer of bipolar diseases, or similar problems, to mean that they can do as they please and expect to get away with that. That is confirmed by just reading the news. So the question, are these Thais a case of missed diagnosis, or is the American medical science being taken for a ride?

[Haven123]

Electronic (RFID) keys, supposedly can't be copied. At least, not for a couple bucks. The landlord can selectively block them, which is needed due to the high tenant turnover.

Among foreigners in Thailand, there's a simple sentence to say that: "my girl is different". Now, I'll spare a discussion on whatever science is behind this phenomena, but most believe that if any, is not related to Statistics or Lost Souls Matching.1. On the keys, I did not know they were RFID keys. Good to know. Heck I don't have RFID keys. And can make copies at the local Home Depot. Every apt I've lived in or house I've owned. So, looks like Thai key security for apts is advanced tech!

2. On the second subject, I think you may not have understood what I was referring to. It's not ' lost souls matching' or any such stuff. I think I better let it slide. Beyond the objectives of this board.

[Old New Guy]

After a satisfying pursuit, sexual interlude and release they begin to bore me to distraction within a very short time.Yes. I did a 3rd repeat with a fresh, attractive young girl, and kinda regretted mid-way through. She did everything right in and out of the bed, and could be even excused from not having any sex drive to speak of, but certain small things adds up pretty quickly, won't tell the details, just small stupid things. Today she calls me reverse charge (which I refused) from a friend's phone. And then says she called in sick at the bar. Sick like what, I ask? No answer... I told her I wanted to be alone. In this case I'll admit that the problem is mostly with me being unnecessarily difficult, but for stories like Mr. E. told, the only answer is to show the door. Years ago, I was visiting a girl (with which I had slept before) in her room, I don't how and why but no sex was involved, she just wanted to have a tea together. At some point I acted stupid, wanted to touch her boobs or some shit and insisted, I was ejected (luckly by the door not the window) within 2 minutes.

[Old New Guy]

2. On the second subject, I think you may not have understood what I was referring to. It's not ' lost souls matching' or any such stuff. I think I better let it slide. Beyond the objectives of this board.As you please. But see what happens here, you told us a nice story, complemented it with with sophisticated science (or science-fiction) references and some more. But when I replied humorously with my take, which you'll forgive if it's rather simplistic compared to your, I'm the one going beyond objectives?

[Haven123]

As you please. But see what happens here, you told us a nice story, complemented it with with sophisticated science (or science-fiction) references and some more. But when I replied humorously with my take, which you'll forgive if it's rather simplistic compared to your, I'm the one going beyond objectives?Ah, no. My friend. I would love to go further. But I was afraid that the other members of the board may not appreciate it. I'd be happy to continue the dialog on this subject via PM if you want? Or in person when we meet next?

[TesterTester]

I used to say that if I ever get married again then it would be to a Thai, Brazilian, or Colombian. That was before I was definitely sure that I would not be getting married again. I am too set in my ways and my patience is just not thick enough to handle the bullshit. Chok dee to FL Hawk if he decides to make that commitment.

I remember telling Haven a couple of weeks ago that he should have lightened up with the girl who acted like she was going to throw up. Now I am kind of changing my tune. I am starting to realize the level of immaturity exhibited by Thai women in general. At first thought, I imagined that it was just the uneducated farm girls around Pattaya that exhibited this behavior. But as I thought about it more, I have dated some pretty book smart chicks with master's degrees and good jobs in Bangkok that act the same way.

It is like these Thai chicks do not realize there is a time to play and a time not to play. The other night me and Cool were in the bar of a chick that I know. This chick appears out of nowhere. I had never seen her before. I am not sure if she worked there or what. But she kept doing some bullshit joking around. At first it was cute and we thought she would just stop after a minute. We were holding a serious conversation and tried to ignore her in hopes that she would just go away. But she kept coming back. Finally I had to confront her and tell her that we were having a discussion and to go away. It worked for a minute but soon she was right back doing the same shit again. We finally concluded that the chick must have been learning disabled.

My neighbor spent the night last night. She just woke up and keeps fucking talking to me even though she sees I am doing something. I hear that same story from a lot of guys. I have no idea how her boyfriend has stayed with her so long. (But he has paid for cars and houses, so maybe he has too much invested. All I have done is let her sip on some liquor that I have had in my room forever.) After a couple of hours I am ready for her to go. But as a coworker once told me, there is a pot for every lid.

Last night she wanted to spend time together because I am leaving soon and her boyfriend is coming soon. She said that at first she thought it would be okay, but the last couple of days when she saw me with other chicks she started to get jealous. So she may move somewhere else. Seriously?

But anyway, last night she was drinking and had the glass on my bed. I told her to be careful because she should not have the drink on my bed in the first place. And what ended up happening? She spills the fucking drink. Then she laughs about it. Needless to say I was pissed. All I could think about was the adage that you pay them to leave. And this being a free chick...

About a month ago my main wingman said he was in Tesco Lotus with a chick he regularly deals with. I think they were sitting at a table eating ice cream and having a conversation. Out of nowhere she just started ignoring him for no apparent reason. He left that broad right there in the store. After a while she started sending him messages asking where he was because she couldn't find him. He told her that he was back in the comfort of his own room and was not going to put up with her shit.

And I have found that sometimes Thai chicks like to pinch you or bite you or even worse bite you dick and then laugh about it, as if it is fucking funny. Usually when they do that shit I clock them in the head.

The other night I was with a chick who just would not stop laughing and smiling. We are in mid fuck and the shit just continued. I kept asking what the fuck are you smiling about. I thought I was fucking the damn Joker or something.

I guess the more time that I spend in Thailand, the more I notice the little idiosyncracies that I did not notice before.

Son of a b. Now she was just playing with my dick and making the shit hurt. I knocked her hand away and she started laughing about it. Let me get this damn girl out of my room!I concur with you that Thai girls are usually immature. I have had experiences with many who play ridiculous mind games just like you mentioned. I probably shouldn't call it "mind games", but just "games. " And yes, I agree with a previous post that it is because they want attention.

Anyway, your post is well written and funny to read. Funny in a good way, not a bad way.

[Cool]

Now, the suspense is killing me. And then what happened, Mr Ent? Anything come out of the contact info with the gogo girls? The only girl I saw I was interested in at an LK metro gogo (after the Lady drink she went back to dance) about 2 weeks ago, and claimed she couldn't go out. Another Isaan girl. Surprised me.Either I imputed their number / line wrong or wrong #. The wily vet Mr. E thinks that is a low possibility. These chicks could be holding the bluff card hoping we go to their place of employment. They asked us 5 times during our lone encounter. We passed by there the other day but didn't enter. Just being acquainted or seen with Mr. E has perks. A lady 1 year my junior picked me last night and after day 2 she still wants to spend time with me and asked for no baht. She even offered me some of the whisky bottle she bought. Cue up the 'I'm a believer' sound from the Shrek soundtrack. Even going home for a nap, shower, and change of clothes for 3 hours of separation from me pained her. I ran into some Russian haters at Starbucks that hated the fact we were together.

[Sr Diablito]

My Chinese wife and I just arrived in Pattaya. We have enjoyed threesomes in Phils and home but this is her first time to Pattaya. She's eager to get to Walkng Street and get a hot gogo girl for a threesome. Recommendations on any particular bar best for couples?

I know most anywhere any girl is game. But last night we went to Soi Cowboy in BKK (staying w friends in BKK so could not take away, just wanted to dip our toes in the pool.

After disappointing lineups in Crazy House and Suzie Wong, she spotted two lookers in Baccara. We bought them drinks and it went like this:

Introduced self, wife. Wife talked and flirted but not too grabby. Both gals said they never did girls. OK. Onward. Called it a night to save energy and money for Patts.

So today Baobao tells me I fucked it up and for tonight we are not married, we are just casual friends from Shanghai who want to party here. Let her get touchy feel then I join in. I'm confused but OK with it- Baobaos opinion is that the dynamic is unbalanced as we are a long established couple and that makes the girl more of an outsider (her GFs in SH shared that they don't like being w couples as its all unbalanced).

I would not have thought it mattered. But I'm no fool, I don't pretend to understand the female mind, be it Chinese, Thai, wife or playmate.

Your thoughts on locations and protocol / procedure appreciated.

IraI understand that the Devils's Den caters to couples.

[Banana Boi]

I ran into some Russian haters at Starbucks that hated the fact we were together.Rude. What were they doing or saying?

[Cool]

Rude. What were they doing or saying?I needed Wi-Fi to make a purchasing decision and my girl said she liked Starbucks coffee so I went for it especially since they have new items on the menu. Upon entering 3 tall Russian men in their early 50's siting at an outside table at the entrance started shaking their head and telling my girl she shouldn't be with me. Like they paying for her and her families' bills. I'm sorry but the lame and off-brand don't make those decisions and dictate what makes my girl happy.

[Cool]

Under Mr. E tutelage and guidance my last 2 bedmates were perfect. I actually had to send them home. My wingman pointed out a girl he was tired of banging. I knew there was something special if he constantly repeated. He also said she spent the night which is rare for him because a stranger in the bed means reduced quality rest and moonlight security guard / loss prevention duties. He can afford to hire a girl every night. She was thick with a banging body, 21, patient, loving, affectionate, sweet, caring, and attentive and in the top 10 percentile in bedroom skills if I compared her with her Mexican counterparts. I would rate her 7. 5+ on WG looks. All my friends back home fell over when they saw her pics and lovely assets and demanded more pictures. My wingman tipped me she could be as low as 700 bht ST. She agreed to that price when we met after he introduced us, however, once in the room she said she wanted 1000. I thought this chick is pretty hot and I'm not going to risk hot bedroom action and fireworks quibbling over 300 bht. To show her I was serious I placed 1000 bht on top of my safe even though she did not demand money upfront. After 25 minutes. Of making out, foreplay, and enjoying her lovely body and breasts she says she would like to stay LT for 2 k. I tell her she can leave when she wants but the offer for LT is 1500 or I will gladly give her 1100 for ST (3 hrs). Who am I to kick a hot passionate Thai young and tender out in the middle of the morning? I had no idea of her motivation, did she want a nice bed with AC all night, did she like me? (I think a little but I'm young and an exceptional dresser. I know a lot of older gents rather pass wardrobe savings to the hobby. Youth doesn't help me in MEX and Phils but it is an asset here). She took the bait and spent the night. I could tell early on she wanted to stay. Some would counter that I'm out 500 additional bht I could've used for new vagina the following night. As customary I rewarded her with a 100 bht shrimp lunch upon waking up. She slept better than me but this is her home country. I rate my experience a 9 and certified GFE and I likely will repeat in 2 weeks.

[Old New Guy]

Upon entering 3 tall Russian men in their early 50's siting at an outside table at the entrance started shaking their head and telling my girl she shouldn't be with me.It's not the nationality, it's the mere consequence of the riff-raff that Pattaya attracts from all over the world. More than once I was close to brawl with deranged foreigners that were anything from unpleasant to obnoxious to aggressive. In my case it was most often another certain nationality, which I won't name as I still try not to hold prejudices.

[Old New Guy]

Since she left a ton of pics on my phone, including some of her Thai BF and his rather small dick, here's one before deletion.

[Uncle Volodya]

Since she left a ton of pics on my phone, including some of her Thai BF and his rather small dick, here's one before deletion.Very nice! Cute face an great body.

[Cool]

Last night I saw the Crazy lady that interrupted me and Mr. E non stop during a previous visit to a beer garden near Action St. Bars. She behaved herself because I had a date but she looked slightly unhappy I had a date. Apparently bringing your own date or picking another girl with keep the lunatic ladies away. Apparently she works there.

[AliasDonkey]

A few bits of info I found out during my trip.

Pro Tip: Make sure it's not a Buddhist holiday when you arrive LMAO!

Pro:

After 24:00 a few places opened up for full business.

Con:

Went around most of Pattaya to find almost everything is closed down or serving only kids drinks. Didn't get the FYI on the holiday, due to poor communication with natives, till I got to LK metro.

Show Girls was the only Bar on LK Metro open after 24:00 that holiday.

According to one of the girls Show Girls are open till 04:00 every day. Dam those slave drivers.

Went to most of the bars on LK and didn't really see any lookers (matter of opinion). The office had one and Show Girls had a few to my liking.

Show Girls has a hot little Momma running the floor. She said no bar fine and she only does long time. GO-HOK!

Kinnaree has a few lookers and was a little busy on a Tue.

1000 for the girl and 300 for the onsite room with the soggy beds.

Girls apparently work at their whim or should I say their empty pocket books.

[Luna1130]

1 what kind of camcorder or cameras do they use in youtube. 2 Does gogo bars have room to rent. 3 do they have a bar with women from India.

[Christian G]

3 do they have a bar with women from India.I never saw indian girl work in the bar / gogo. Travel in Thailand and looking for indian girls?! This seems very strange to me.

[Old New Guy]

I never saw indian girl work in the bar / gogo. Travel in Thailand and looking for indian girls?! This seems very strange to me.Not so strange when you're Indian and hopeful. Please hold while I research on the 'camcorder' question!

[Crocodilexp]

do they have a bar with women from India.

No bar, but there are very rare Indian / Sri Lankan freelancers. I can count spotting (not going with, just seeing out in the street working) 2 in Bangkok and 3 in Pattaya in over 10 years of mongering.

[Hotman 666]

[Q.

I never saw indian girl work in the bar / gogo. Travel in Thailand and looking for indian girls?! This seems very strange to me. [ / QUOTE.

UOTE=Christian G;1890133].

This question seems to be asked quite regularly. The answer seems to to always be the same. NO Indian girls but a lot of acceptable alternatives.

I posted the following in 2011 in answer to a similar question.

Over the years I have had the pleasure of having several Half Thai / half Indian (and Half Thai / Half Pakistani) girls as playmates in LOS! I rather like that look!

If you stop to think about it there are many Indians living in Thailand, some for many years, and (nowdays) quite a lot of Indian visitors. So it is not 'so' unusual to expect to find this, often rather beautiful, mix.

The ones I have known have told me that 'Moma from Thai. Pappa from India! ' Several have had Indian rather than Thai 'given names. '.

A couple of years ago there were a pair of Half Thai / Half Pakistani sisters working in one of the Pattaya go-go's. VERY nice indeed! However I have not seen them around during my last few trips.

In my experience there is not one 'special place' for these girls but it IS possible to find all sorts of ethnic mixes in Thailand.

I can remember a Thai / Scandinavian, a Thai / German, a Thai / Black American (WOW, she was HOT!) and several Thai / Chinese girls that I have been with over the years.

Just get out there and look. You may not find EXACTLY what you are looking for but I would be rather surprised if you are unable to find 'something' acceptable.

ENJOY.

(I do!

Hotman.

[FunExplorer]

1 what kind of camcorder or cameras do they use in youtube. 2 Does gogo bars have room to rent. 3 do they have a bar with women from India.Many go go bars have room to rent out for their girls. I have not found any Indian girl in any of the go go bars. I have not even found in beer bars. But it would be strange to look for Indian girls in Thai go go bars!

[LuckyIs1]

This review is from my around a month back trip to Thailand. I had visited Pattaya and Bangkok during that trip.

LL Club is situated at the Bali Hai Pier end of Walking Street Pattaya. It's in the same building as famous Disco Mixx Club.

Initially plan was to go to DM Club, though I had read lot of reviews about racial discrimination (they do not allow brown skin) done by DM Club on Tripadvisor, as it has best crowd among all clubs. That's what I came to know from different reviews.

I reached the building around 10 pm but things didn't get started then and also nearby hawker informed us that to enter DM club shoes would be required and sandals will not work. Usually these clubs get started at 11 pm. I and my friend then went towards the beach to pass the time and then returned back to the building at around 11:30 pm. Outside the building we were approached by agents of LL club. These agents get commission per customer that they bring to LL Club.

We decided to go to LL Club as it is visited by many Indians and owner is also Indian so it appeared to be safe and no discrimination issues. Similar to other clubs LL Club also has entry charges I don't remember how much it was I guess its around Baht 250. For large group agents can get entry fees reduced. Entry fees allows one time entry only to the club. If due to some reason you come out and want to get in again you will have to pay entry fees again.

Inside the club music was average and drinks were OK. Pros from middle east and Thai were there. Among the two Thai's are cheaper. I found one gal to my liking who was from Iran. She spoke English and little bit Hindi also. Appearance wise her looks were similar to pornstar Aletta Ocean. One of the waiter introduced me to her and then I fixed the deal with her for full night at 6 K bhat. Went to her condo which was nearby and enjoyed her for full night.

6 k might be little on higher side but I didn't mind as she was the best looking gal in the club (even waiter recommended her) and her Aletta Ocean looks along with Iranian skin tone had me drooling over her.

In all it was a memorable experience.

[DasMaster]

I came to Pattaya after a good 8 years and the only thing I noticed is that the number of ladyboys have increased significantly. They were always there, but now more than ever.

Anyway, I had a couple of beers in the Shooters bar on Soi 7. Incidentally I also call the place my hotel for the next few days. There were some decent girls, 4-5 out of 15-16 at that time. I liked one and paid for a lady drink but I had more to explore, so I hopped off around 9 pm. Wanted to have a massage on my way to Walking Street but somehow didn't like the spas on my way and landed straight at the WS after a tiring walk which made me all sweaty.

Anyway, I chose to have a beer and kill some time at one of those open bars, chatted up a decent but not stunning bar girl. But I was waiting for Insomnia to get started and at around midnight I stepped in. The place was cool, some very good looking ones but most of them were sitting in groups with some white men who were offering them lots of drinks.

I had my first beer (THB 150) and checked out the scene, made a few eye contacts and avoided a few more.

Now I am not a looker, neither a Caucasian which normally gets positive glances in this part of the world. I am an Indian, just over 40 yrs and not the ideal mongering profile around here. But I do have some decent charm which has helped me significantly. Over the last 17 years that I have been mongering (and it all started in this town of Pattaya), I would say I have done fairly well as a global monger, although I am sure there are loads of people here who have achieved far more.

I spotted a dancer girl in black, made some eye contact and raised my bottle at her. She smiled back and I lip synced as if I was saying something. Of course, the music was so loud she couldn't hear, or understand it was just faking, so she walked towards me. We chatted a bit of the standard 'Hello, how are you? What's your name? Where you come from?' She asked for a drink and I obliged, a small glass of some rosy liquid for 200 BHT. She was young and with a hot body and a decent 7 face. She said she was 25 and normally I would assume +3, but she didn't look older than 25.

In a while, I asked her if she wanted to keep dancing or go someplace with me and she said, 'at 2 am I can go'. I asked how much? And she said '4000 BHT'.

I smiled at her and said I come to Pattaya and Insomnia every 2 months and I know how much I should pay. She told me the expected 'how much you give me?

Considering all the reviews I read here, I proposed 2000 BHT, keeping in mind she was really good on the rating scale. She thought for a while and said 'OK, 2000 for me, 1500 for the bar fine and I stay with you till 4 am'.

I wasn't looking for a ST so I suggested long time but she said she has to come back to the club at 4 am, but she said 'we can go now'.

I excused myself in the name of going to the toilet and gave it some thought. On my way back, I bought the lady at the information counter (next to the toilets) a beer and chatted her up a bit. When I asked her about the bar fine, she said there is no bar fine at Insomnia. Well, well, well. I don't like being made a sucker, so I didn't go back to the designated place for the girl.

Another beer and some more eye contacts. As always, the ones you are not keen on are the ones who smile most at you, but I am used to this as a part of life.

Then I saw this girl, who was short, dressed in red and a real stunner! She was with another and decent girl, but she was probably 9/10 on my scale. In the 40+ trips I have made to Thailand, I have rarely seen someone better looking. I couldn't take my eyes off her and she noticed that. Our eyes met a few times and just as her friend nudged her to move, she whispered something in her ear and looking straight at me, came over and shook hands with me. I said Hello, to her and her friend and we started having a nice chat. Damn! She was beautiful!

Just when we started getting friendly, the earlier girl in black came in and greeted the two and pointed at me and said something in Thai. I assume it would be 'I made this guy a sucker, so leave him to me' but the two new girls were still nice and friendly to me. Then this black girl called a waiter and told me to buy drinks for all of them. I would have loved to buy these two girls a drink each, but I didn't want to have anything to do with this girl in black. I said 'Wait, wait!' And that screwed it all.

The girl in black whispered something in their ear and suddenly all 3 of them walked away. I didn't flinch but I swear I was angry. But before long they were gone with the music. I waited for almost half an hour and I saw the red one dance on one of the small dancing blocks but she didn't come back to me. I went back to the information lady and she asked me if I found some lady and I told her the story. She asked me for the girl's number. I had noticed the numbers of all the 3 girls, so I gave her the red one's number and told her she was dancing. We waited for eternity and finally she went around the bar with me for a tour but we couldn't spot the girl. I became restless and frustrated and gave myself maximum 30 minutes. Just before I prepared to leave, I decided to take one last tour and I finally spotted her in a table with 3 Europeans and another girl and a couple of open bottles. I knew I couldn't bother her anymore, not tonight. I said goodbye to the information lady, promised I'll come tomorrow and left around 3 pm finally. Total damage at Insomnia (about 550 for 3 beers, 150 for information lady drink and 200 for lady in black = 900 BHT).

I had another beer on my way, bought a lady drink for a decent girl at Crazy Horse but somehow couldn't shake off the red dress girl from my head. All ladies felt like a poor compromise and finally around 4 am, I decided to call it a night, an unsuccessful one.

When I came back, Shooters was also closing down and I sat down for a beer with a few leftover girls in the next bar. These girls were basically done for the day, no customers left and were having their late supper of [Deleted by Admin]

Today I am going back for the red dress girl, wish me luck!

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[Uncle Volodya]

This review is from my around a month back trip to Thailand. I had visited Pattaya and Bangkok during that trip.


Inside the club music was average and drinks were OK. Pros from middle east and Thai were there. Among the two Thai's are cheaper. I found one gal to my liking who was from Iran. She spoke English and little bit Hindi also. Appearance wise her looks were similar to pornstar Aletta Ocean. One of the waiter introduced me to her and then I fixed the deal with her for full night at 6 K bhat. Went to her condo which was nearby and enjoyed her for full night.

6 k might be little on higher side but I didn't mind as she was the best looking gal in the club (even waiter recommended her) and her Aletta Ocean looks along with Iranian skin tone had me drooling over her.

In all it was a memorable experience.Thanks for this report. It describes a side of Pattaya I don't know and I am intrigued. The last (and only) time I had been with an Iranian girl it was a GF from college. She was no Aletta Oceaan but she did have that amazing skin that you talk about. This brings back sweet memories. I will add a visit to Lima Lima to the list for next trip.

Pattaya never ceases to amaze!

[Banana Boi]

I smiled at her and said I come to Pattaya and Insomnia every 2 months and I know how much I should pay. She told me the expected 'how much you give me?

Considering all the reviews I read here, I proposed 2000 BHT, keeping in mind she was really good on the rating scale. She thought for a while and said 'OK, 2000 for me, 1500 for the bar fine and I stay with you till 4 am'.
Wow an Insomnia girl asking 1500 for BF. Never thought I'd read that. Guess she knew you didn't really come to Insomnia every 2 months.


Pros from middle east and Thai were there. Among the two Thai's are cheaper. I found one gal to my liking who was from Iran. She spoke English and little bit Hindi also. Appearance wise her looks were similar to pornstar Aletta Ocean. One of the waiter introduced me to her and then I fixed the deal with her for full night at 6 K bhat. Went to her condo which was nearby and enjoyed her for full night.

Thanks. Will have to check out Lima Lima. Was 6k the opening offer or a negotiated rate? Not paying 6k for sure but I always like negotiating.

[DasMaster]

Wow an Insomnia girl asking 1500 for BF. Never thought I'd read that. Guess she knew you didn't really come to Insomnia every 2 months. At Banana Boi, very possible mate. I am hoping the fact that I ditched her after her generous offer will help change her mind next time.

[DasMaster]

After the Insomnia episode, I decided to look for pastures anew. Ended up spending a lot of time in Shooters Coyote, somewhat my home ground, as I am staying in the same guest house.

Girls were friendly and I ended up buying lady drinks to 4 of them. I have started to believe that a few lady drinks helps you earn some familiarity and warmth, although you may need to pay a couple of drinks for the 'friends of the ladies you wish to spend some time with'. Let's accept it as occupational hazard.

I had 4 girls (1 completely not my type, but she was instrumental in getting other young and hot ones) all over me, making me feel like a king till their glasses were empty.

I left a couple of hours later, after having a very good time and spending THB 1200, but this time I wasn't complaining much.

Had a massage on beach road, one of those non-hanky-panky ones by a fat old lady and it was fantastic and much needed, costing me only 300 BHT.

Once done, I had some road side food and went back to Soi 7 and tried 2 more bars, one drink in each.

Around 12:30 am, I decided to go back to Shooters. Had one last drink and chatted up one of those 4 girls who had given me some promising tongue kisses a few hours back. Paid a barfine of BHT 1000, agreed for a BHT 2000 LT and retired to my room after some 20 minutes or so.

We had a great time, her name is Ying from Udon Thani and she is 29 yrs old with small boobs and large nipples. Didn't show much signs of her age, normally I prefer younger ones, but her face was a good 7 for me.

We did a lot of foreplay and she was good in GFE, decent communication skills from a comparative angle and willing to please as is generally the case in Thailand.

We ended up with a few positions and some oral action to finish it off. She stayed with me till noon and asked if she could leave after our second round of action in the morning. I proposed some lunch together but she said she needed to do something so I paid her and let her go.

Overall, a very pleasant experience. But tonight I am going back to Insomnia!

[Mr Enternational]

Girls were friendly and I ended up buying lady drinks to 4 of them. I have started to believe that a few lady drinks helps you earn some familiarity and warmth, although you may need to pay a couple of drinks for the 'friends of the ladies you wish to spend some time with'. Let's accept it as occupational hazard.Why do you say that? They are hookers. You agree on a price and you go fuck. That is their primary purpose for being there. None of them are going to say you need to buy me and my friends drinks first so that I can get warmed up. As a matter of fact, if I walk in and see you drinking with them at the bar and I simply tell them let's go fuck, they are going to tell you goodbye I have a customer to go with.

[DasMaster]

Why do you say that? They are hookers. You agree on a price and you go fuck. That is their primary purpose for being there. None of them are going to say you need to buy me and my friends drinks first so that I can get warmed up. As a matter of fact, if I walk in and see you drinking with them at the bar and I simply tell them let's go fuck, they are going to tell you goodbye I have a customer to go with.To each his own. I prefer getting them warmed up a bit, you prefer to go straight at it. I am sure you have reasons to believe in what you do, I have reasons for mine. You are confident they will walk away with you if you tell them 'let's go fuck', I am confident I will retain the one I wish to and have a great warmed up sex later on. Here's to you and to me.

Cheers!

[Member #4698]

Why do you say that? They are hookers. You agree on a price and you go fuck. That is their primary purpose for being there. None of them are going to say you need to buy me and my friends drinks first so that I can get warmed up. As a matter of fact, if I walk in and see you drinking with them at the bar and I simply tell them let's go fuck, they are going to tell you goodbye I have a customer to go with.No bar girl has ever left me while I am buying her drinks and the barfine is still a possibility. And I can only recall a few times in the last 15 years when a bar girl has left me AFTER we shagged and gone back to her bar for more drinks. I never barfined that meager handful of mercantile girls again. It was their loss not mine.

I always offer to buy a girl a drink or two if I am interested in her. Tequila loosens them up and I get to test drive her before going all in. If sometimes that means buying her BFF/cousin/or sister a drink as well, so be it. You never know when a twosome might turn into a threesome. Plus I indulge the girl by letting her show me off to her friend. The payoff comes back in the loom.

[TellAll]

Girls were friendly and I ended up buying lady drinks to 4 of them. I have started to believe that a few lady drinks helps you earn some familiarity and warmth, although you may need to pay a couple of drinks for the 'friends of the ladies you wish to spend some time with'. Let's accept it as occupational hazard.
Four drinks for four girls to talk to one is not occupational hazard, it's a waste of money and bad advice. It's your money but I would think you wouldn't want to get ripped off.

Sounds like you are still doing things the western way and it doesn't apply there.

[Breadman]

Today I am going back for the red dress girl, wish me luck!

The best girls are the one's you run into, not the one's you try to hunt down.