Pattaya Reports

[Eric Swiss]

There was a hot girl walking up the street with a gorgeous silk kimono from the Beach Club, so I decided to check it out. I shouldn't have bothered. It's a pretty long go-go bar, so you don't see much from any one place, and the girls look on the fatter side. At least draft beer was cheap.

I went to Insomnia (or whichever is the upstairs one called), got a beer, made a couple of rounds, but found nobody to my liking, so I went downstairs to the bar area near the sea. I tried to steal a stool from the hot girl next to me, but she defended it jealously for her friends who were going to come back. When they did, I looked at them, one was fat, and the other one had the weirdest / worst haircut ever, not my style at all, so I didn't even glance at her more than a fraction of a second.

If you've got any experience, you know by now that the one I had instantly decided was "not my style" will be wrapped around my cock before the end of the night. It's always like that. I just don't know why.

The skinny one brushed "accidentally" against me once, so I started paying attention to her. But I didn't really try to speak with her. Then she "accidentally" brushed against me a second time, so that was it, I turned around and started chatting with her. She immediately showed me her ID card. She was 21 and her name was Marisa. It's a new thing, probably fallout from the Nataree bust. I like it. I certainly don't care if it's fake. It covers my ass, that's what I care about.

Things were not escalating fast enough for her, so she did a third touching, this time playing with my wristband / bracelet. That was it, I started touching her everywhere, I bought her a beer, and offered 1500 Baht to take her out. She didn't even try to negotiate.

We went to Oasis, and it was the best sex I've had in a long time. We started very slow, I undressed her, licked her nipples and fingered her. Then I demanded a blow job, and we both showered. She sucked really well. When I put the condom on, she asked me if I had lube. First time this ever happened to me, normally that's the girl's problem. But Marisa travels light. So we did it the old-fashioned way: progressively, delicately and tenderly. Soon enough it was all the way in and I was banging her vigorously. She had a weird caesarean mark (vertical, not horizontal), but when you got her ankles behind her ears you just don't care about anything. Small tits, but super sensitive. All in all, a hot little spinner. She really got into it a few times. She's more into submissive positions, not so much girl-on-top ones.

She let me bang her as long as I wanted, which was very long. At the end I wanted to come and she pulled a few tricks to ensure a volcanic ejaculation. She said she went to dance in a go-go bar as soon as she turned 18 years old, so she has a pretty good bag of tricks to keep her partners satisfied.

She insisted that I take her phone number. I tried to weasel my way out a few times, but to no avail. A Thai girl with an idea in her head is an irresistible force of nature. If I'd let her she would have gladly slept in my hotel bed.

All in all, would I recommend? Only if you're into young skinny legal girls. Well, I guess that's generally a yes. I know some people are iffy about caesarean marks, so forewarned is forearmed. She thought I was 50, so I don't know why a girl would throw herself at a guy 30 years older than her. Maybe she thought I'd be a good banger. Or she got pissed that my initial reaction to scanning her was dismissive, and she wanted to prove to herself that her sexual magnetism was still powerful. If that's it, then I think she proved her point.

[Kumbu]

Nice report Eric, thanks. Skinny, 21 years old, legal, full of tricks to get you off, all for 1500 baht, what's not to like?


At the end I wanted to come and she pulled a few tricks to ensure a volcanic ejaculation. She said she went to dance in a go-go bar as soon as she turned 18 years old, so she has a pretty good bag of tricks to keep her partners satisfied.Puzzled. Like what? Did she do kegels or something?


She thought I was 50, so I don't know why a girl would throw herself at a guy 30 years older than her. Maybe she thought I'd be a good banger. Or maybe you are just one charming muther fucker. My money is on the last one.

[Tomasb]

In early April, I visited Pattaya and wrote a report about a girl I met in Red Car who said she was Iranian / Singaporean heritage though went to university and lived in Tehran most of her life. She seemed to know quite a few of the staff in RC but said she was only visiting Pattay for a few days whilst on the way to Bangkok to resolve some visa issue. She may have needed more pages in her passport but can't recall the exact reason.

She was very attractive, well traveled, spoke several languages, and quite intelligent. However, her most noticeable features were her unique physical characteristics including a smoking lithe body accompanied by a very pretty and exotic looking face. Her skin tone was different too -- not Asian or Middle East, or South American, but a color I can't quite describe. She also initially told me that she was expensive and for that reason it appeared in the beginning she would not go with me as I had no interest in pursuing the 'expensive' aspect of spending time with her. For a variety of reasons, which I wrote about in the report, she ultimately did come to my apartment and I had (what I still feel) was the best sex in Thailand, at least this winter. It was 3000 baht for short time, which is more than what normally should be paid in Pattaya but considering the memorable outcome, I felt it was well worth it.

Also, when I read the report you commented on where this fellow paid 6000 baht, I thought that was prob more in line with what my friend was seeking from me when she said she was 'expensive'. It also occurred to me that it could have been the same girl based on his description though my friend indicated she was not returning to Pattaya anytime soon. Alas, my short time friend did not seem interested in sharing contact details as she was leaving for Bangkok the next day, and then, she claimed, exiting LOS for greener pastures elsewhere.

I still hope to run into her again. I must be in lub.


Thanks for this report. It describes a side of Pattaya I don't know and I am intrigued. The last (and only) time I had been with an Iranian girl it was a GF from college. She was no Aletta Oceaan but she did have that amazing skin that you talk about. This brings back sweet memories. I will add a visit to Lima Lima to the list for next trip.

Pattaya never ceases to amaze!

[Eric Swiss]

Nice report Eric, thanks. Skinny, 21 years old, legal, full of tricks to get you off, all for 1500 baht, what's not to like?Thanks.


Puzzled. Like what? Did she do kegels or something?Kegels, licking my nipples, and convincing moaning. Just the usual.


Or maybe you are just one charming muther fucker. My money is on the last one.I had my lucky shirt on that night. That's my explanation.

[MusicalToM]

It's been a long time I posted something, although I read all respected monger's reports.

I hope regulars would remember me when I was actively posting around 1.5 - 2 months back. The latest update on my story is- my Lao girl moved to her native in Lao 2 months back to wait for me. I had a 2 weeks long vacation to Lao finished just now with my Lao girl. The experience is awesome and I'm happy about her, she was my caretaker, tour guide and most importantly a real GF. Things are going on positive for me and FYI I've given her $200 till now for becoming my tour guide.

Wish me best for my upcoming times. Happy mongering.

[Member #4591]

IMO Thailand is finished as a mongering destination. Much too expensive (for what you get) by comparison with other destinations.If that's your take, I'm wondering why you are reading and posting in the Thaialnd forum?

[Dinghy]

IMO Thailand is finished as a mongering destination. Much too expensive (for what you get) by comparison with other destinations.Let's see. With 25 posts. HAVE YOU EVER EVEN BEEN TO PATTAYA? I don't ever spend anywhere near 5000 B, though.

[Uncle Volodya]

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Also, when I read the report you commented on where this fellow paid 6000 baht, I thought that was prob more in line with what my friend was seeking from me when she said she was 'expensive'. It also occurred to me that it could have been the same girl based on his description though my friend indicated she was not returning to Pattaya anytime soon. Alas, my short time friend did not seem interested in sharing contact details as she was leaving for Bangkok the next day, and then, she claimed, exiting LOS for greener pastures elsewhere.

I still hope to run into her again. I must be in lub."In Lub"! ?? Toma you old softie. 555.

I had completely forgotten about your informative report on this exotic girl. I will keep my eyes out for her too. She sounds amazing.

[Tomasb]

Yes. Please do. If she tells you she is expensive, she might be the one! 555. Naturally, she can speak Farsi but because of her mixed heritage, she told me that her Farsi surprised the owner of this little Persian owned bar located on that predominant Arab street that connects with Walking Street. She told me when she started speaking Farsi to the owner and security guys earlier in the week, they were stunned so perhaps not too many Persian girls, if any, ply their trade in Pattaya or go there on vacation, at least independently.

We arrived around 2:30 am to find a very high energy bar the night I was with her. It sort of had an after hour feel to it and there were small couches to sit on a patio. Many Thai girls there too. I don't recall the name, if I knew it at all, but it did have an Iranian flag out front.

Every once in a while, I see stunning Iranian girls in Bangkok, usually with a veil covering her hair and most of the time very well dressed. Clearly, these girls are NOT in the game and hubbie is not far off. But I wonder if fellow readers have ever encountered Iranian girls doing P4 P in LOS?.

It's quite possible she was just passing through as she claimed and just made some friends in her short time there. She had quite the engaging personality in addition to her beauty. That being said, I also just recalled that she told me that she once stayed solo at the Baraquda Hotel over New Years Eve. She noted the high price that time of year so the mystery about her deepens.



"In Lub"! ?? Toma you old softie. 555.

I had completely forgotten about your informative report on this exotic girl. I will keep my eyes out for her too. She sounds amazing.

[Spirits Hunt]

Wow. Just wow factor. Seeing this city is more then just reading all the posts. I was so not ready for all these. Thought by reading everyone post I would be ready for anything but man how wrong am I. Absolutely love it here.

[Uncle Volodya]

Wow. Just wow factor. Seeing this city is more then just reading all the posts. I was so not ready for all these. Thought by reading everyone post I would be ready for anything but man how wrong am I. Absolutely love it here.Great to hear some positive comments about Patts. Us long time visitors are a bit spoiled and can be overly negative.

This is a nice reminder that there is simply no place like it and that is why we keep coming back.

[Spirits Hunt]

Great to hear some positive comments about Patts. Us long time visitors are a bit spoiled and can be overly negative.

This is a nice reminder that there is simply no place like it and that is why we keep coming back.Haha well it is a wonderful place. Went to baccara and few more places can't remember haha too drunk. Somehow went back hotel with a girl from beach road. LT for 3 k. Gave her 200 when she leave on morning. Absolutely mind blowing service. 21 yrs old young and tight. Need to work my way slowly (I think I did). But overall good first night.

[Cool]

There was a hot girl walking up the street with a gorgeous silk kimono from the Beach Club, so I decided to check it out. I shouldn't have bothered. It's a pretty long go-go bar, so you don't see much from any one place, and the girls look on the fatter side. At least draft beer was cheap.

I went to Insomnia (or whichever is the upstairs one called), got a beer, made a couple of rounds, but found nobody to my liking, so I went downstairs to the bar area near the sea. I tried to steal a stool from the hot girl next to me, but she defended

She insisted that I take her phone number. I tried to weasel my way out a few times, but to no avail. A Thai girl with an idea in her head is an irresistible force of nature. If I'd let her she would have gladly slept in my hotel bed.

All in all, would I recommend? Only if you're into young skinny legal girls. Well, I guess that's generally a yes. I know some people are iffy about caesarean marks, so forewarned is forearmed. She thought I was 50, so I don't know why a girl would throw herself at a guy 30 years older than her. Maybe she thought I'd be a good banger. Or she got pissed that my initial reaction to scanning her was dismissive, and she wanted to prove to herself that her sexual magnetism was still powerful. If that's it, then I think she proved her point.Maybe she wanted a pay day during low season. It wasn't a freebie and she wasn't a stunner with a ton of options.

[Blanquiceleste]

Haha well it is a wonderful place. Went to baccara and few more places can't remember haha too drunk. Somehow went back hotel with a girl from beach road. LT for 3 k. Gave her 200 when she leave on morning. Absolutely mind blowing service. 21 yrs old young and tight. Need to work my way slowly (I think I did). But overall good first night.I always believe that you should pay what you think is right for the girl you picked and what's right on your pocket, but you might just be setting yourself up to be flamed for admitting a payment of 3 k for a girl from beach road. Good luck and keep the reports coming. Inspiration for all of us.

[Spirits Hunt]

I always believe that you should pay what you think is right for the girl you picked and what's right on your pocket, but you might just be setting yourself up to be flamed for admitting a payment of 3 k for a girl from beach road. Good luck and keep the reports coming. Inspiration for all of us.Well I guess its a price I ok to pay since her service is awsome. Young body and tight. Not a hot looker but definitely a nice look. I said 8/10. Back to hotel around 2 am and leave after 11 pm (mainly cause I have place to go). Between the 9 hrs lets just said I had unlimited sex. This girl is a machine and just kept me going for more and more. Now I'm ready to go out for more drinking and hunting.

[Mr Enternational]

Well I guess its a price I ok to pay since her service is awsome. Young body and tight. Not a hot looker but definitely a nice look. I said 8/10. Back to hotel around 2 am and leave after 11 pm (mainly cause I have place to go). Between the 9 hrs lets just said I had unlimited sex. This girl is a machine and just kept me going for more and more. Now I'm ready to go out for more drinking and hunting.But you agreed to pay the 3K before you experienced her awesome service so that has nothing to do with your reasoning to pay that amount. To put things in perspective for you, my rent is 4500/month and my girl makes 300/day working in a salon. I once met a FL on Walking Street who would come over every now and then. She told me that if a guy sent her 10K/month it would be sufficient for her to go back home and not be a hooker again. 3K is a lot of money in these parts. And many would say wayyy to much money for a Beach Road freelancer. Next time shoot for 1K long time and see how it works out for you.

P.S. Got a sick girl? It costs Thais 30 baht to go to the public hospital. Did your girl's family's buffalo get sick or die? It costs 1000 baht to buy a new one.

[Haven123]

But you agreed to pay the 3K before you experienced her awesome service so that has nothing to do with your reasoning to pay that amount. To put things in perspective for you, my rent is 4500/month and ....... Did your girl's family's buffalo get sick or die? It costs 1000 baht to buy a new one.So, in other words, a Beach RD girl, LT, can be as low as the price of getting a new buffalo.

And monthly apt rent, for a decent one, in Pattaya, is about the price of buying yourself 4. 5 Buffaloes. Now, that's a different way of indexing things, compared to the famous, and often quoted, McDonalds global price index.

I would listen to Mr. ENT. He has been mostly correct in my view on prices, although for me (since I am not a resident and don't speak any Thai), I find that adding 500 baht to Mr ENT's prices is a good settling point, unless the girl is a model type from Ibar or Insomnia.

But, for Beach RD I think 3 k is double what anyone else would pay. And many guys here have been posting prices for beach RD girls. However, if you like a girl a lot and she stays with you for 24 hours, or 2, 3, 4 days, at a stretch then I would say it's a different cup of tea. Although, I'm sure Mr. ENT would disagree on that as well, since you will be paying for food and other stuff on such a program.

I've had decent 7's from Insomnia who agreed to 1500 LT, but when the girl stayed with me for days and never asked for more (this is key for me!...and was truly special GFE), I did pay more than 3 K per 24 hour day, because I loved having the longer term GFE companionship, and rewarded the girl for never asking for more or even counting what I gave her. She had no idea what I gave her until she had left, because I slid it in a wad into her purse; she thanked me Thai style and never counted before leaving. So, there is a range for sure.

[Mr Enternational]

I would listen to Mr. ENT. He has been mostly correct in my view on prices, although for me (since I am not a resident and don't speak any Thai), I find that adding 500 baht to Mr ENT's prices is a good settling point, unless the girl is a model type from Ibar or Insomnia.The longer a chick stays the less you pay. If she stays 1 day then that is 1000. Each additional consecutive day should garner an additional 500. So for 2 days 1500 is good.

I am just a hard bargainer and rarely run into something that I can not live without. I am back in the States and just left the gun shop trying to buy an open bolt M11 that I have wanted for the longest. The price was $2450. I told them I would give them $2000 cash for it. They said $2250. I said sorry I can't pay more than $2000 and walked out. Now I am going around looking for one elsewhere.

Usually when I bargain it will go like this:

Them: 1000.
Me: 500.
Them: 800.
Me: 400.

[Gannaton48]

So, in other words, a Beach RD girl, LT, can be as low as the price of getting a new buffalo.

And monthly apt rent, for a decent one, in Pattaya, is about the price of buying yourself 4. 5 Buffaloes. Now, that's a different way of indexing things, compared to the famous, and often quoted, McDonalds global price index.

I would listen to Mr. ENT. He has been mostly correct in my view on prices, although for me (since I am not a resident and don't speak any Thai), I find that adding 500 baht to Mr ENT's prices is a good settling point, unless the girl is a model type from Ibar or Insomnia.

But, for Beach RD I think 3 k is double what anyone else would pay. And many guys here have been posting prices for beach RD girls. However, if you like a girl a lot and she stays with you for 24 hours, or 2, 3, 4 days, at a stretch then I would say it's a different cup of tea. Although, I'm sure Mr. ENT would disagree on that as well, since you will be paying for food and other stuff on such a program.

I've had decent 7's from Insomnia who agreed to 1500 LT, but when the girl stayed with me for days and never asked for more (this is key for me!...and was truly special GFE), I did pay more than 3 K per 24 hour day, because I loved having the longer term GFE companionship, and rewarded the girl for never asking for more or even counting what I gave her. She had no idea what I gave her until she had left, because I slid it in a wad into her purse; she thanked me Thai style and never counted before leaving. So, there is a range for sure.Well, I don't share this view. I find these endless discussions about negociations boring and somewhat depresssing. Of course we don't go there to make philanthropy but sorry, I feel some satisfaction helping this girl to improve momentarily her life or the one of her family at the same time. I am a european, having been frequently in german FKKs where you easily spend 150-250 Euros for watching and fucking a reasonably nice girl from Romania or Russia. That's still 5 fucks in Thailand! If your LT girl gives you 3 times sex, then that represents 3 visits to a FKK! So frankly what's the problem negociating for 100 bath more or less: the price of a beer in gogo club! One should leave things for what they mean. Naïve? No, human and comprehensive. Ourself and the girl both know for what they are here and probably the girl would never go to bed with us if she would'nt need to (suffice to watch some videos of Pattaya or Phuket by night and I am also not Apollon! So I think one can show some empathy.

[Haven123]

Well, I don't share this view. I find these endless discussions about negociations boring and somewhat depresssing. ......So I think one can show some empathy.Empathy? Sure!

As I said, I did pay over 3 k per day, per 24 hour period, in addition for all meals and drinks alone (of about another 1 k when we were out together during the 24 hour period. At Insomnia or other places) and one piece dresses I bought for her at Central Festival Mall to wear when we were out. But, that was not cash in her pocket, but rather consumption with me or for me.

So, any implication of lack of empathy on my part I believe is questionable. So, why get on your high horse and say ' I am an European etc ' ? . Well, I am an American and so is Mr Ent. !

The key issue that MR Ent was pointing out is the cost of living for a girl in Pattaya vs. Germany (your FKK example), and even lower cost than Pattaya, for the girls family who most likely lives in Isaan. So, the key question is what does say 2,000 baht buy or get a girl, in Pattaya or Isaan, vs. the normal net FKK prices that a girl can buy for herself in Germany, including cost of outfits and costumes for their work, transportation, make up etc, and of course rent, clothing, food etc. That's where the logic is. And, I suppose you are just a little bit logical?

Anyway, it's a free world and it is your free choice. All Mr ENT and I were trying to do is refer you to the going prices, just like the ' going prices ' you quoted for an FKK. Unless of course, in Germany you usually like to pay 2, 3 or 4 times the going FKK prices, based on empathy, in which case, you are certainly being consistent. And, if you don't pay 2 or 3 times the going FKK price when you are in Germany, given the price index there, does that mean that you don't have empathy for the girls there ? Anyways, all the very best and please do whatever makes you happy. Cheers! 😇

[Gannaton48]

Empathy? Sure!

As I said, I did pay over 3 k per day, per 24 hour period, in addition for all meals and drinks alone (of about another 1 k when we were out together during the 24 hour period. At Insomnia or other places) and one piece dresses I bought for her at Central Festival Mall to wear when we were out. But, that was not cash in her pocket, but rather consumption with me or for me.

So, any implication of lack of empathy on my part I believe is questionable. So, why get on your high horse and say ' I am an European etc ' ? . Well, I am an American and so is Mr Ent. !

The key issue that MR Ent was pointing out is the cost of living for a girl in Pattaya vs. Germany (your FKK example), and even lower cost than Pattaya, for the girls family who most likely lives in Isaan. So, the key question is what does say 2,000 baht buy or get a girl, in Pattaya or Isaan, vs. the normal net FKK prices that a girl can buy for herself in Germany, including cost of outfits and costumes for their work, transportation, make up etc, and of course rent, clothing, food etc. That's where the logic is. And, I suppose you are just a little bit logical?

Anyway, it's a free world and it is your free choice. All Mr ENT and I were trying to do is refer you to the going prices, just like the ' going prices ' you quoted for an FKK. Unless of course, in Germany you usually like to pay 2, 3 or 4 times the going FKK prices, based on empathy, in which case, you are certainly being consistent. And, if you don't pay 2 or 3 times the going FKK price when you are in Germany, given the price index there, does that mean that you don't have empathy for the girls there ? Anyways, all the very best and please do whatever makes you happy. Cheers! 😇Oh sorry. You probably misunderstood my "message". It was'nt at all directed against you, the fact I replied to yours is just hazard. Maybe -and probably- I expressed myself inadequately. What I wanted to state are two things: first, there are pages and pages filled in the Thailand forum about bargaining and even the price of beers from one club to another: frankly is it different for any of us to pay 80 or 100 bath for a beer? Going through all these mails (would prefer field reports! Is boring, to me and likely to many of us! Second what I wanted to say is basically the same about girls: as you said it is everyone's decision to choose how much he is ready to spend. But on the top I want to mention that: should we torture our neurones about paying let's say 800 instead of 700 to spend some hours with a girl. 100 bath are roughly 2,5 Euros. All is said, I guess. And yes, I don't feel comfortable asking a girl to lower her price by 100 bath to spend a couple of hours with a man she would never wish to have sex with. I don't buy a vagina, I rent a person and am aware of that. Again, please, don't take it for yourself, my contribution is a general remark meaning that I have some trouble reading whole pages about some dozens of baths while the guy spends hundreds of dollars or Euros for his flight and stay.

[Haven123]

Oh sorry. You probably misunderstood my "message". It was'nt at all directed against you, the fact I replied to yours is just hazard. Maybe -and probably- I expressed myself inadequately. What I wanted to state are two things: first, there are pages and pages filled in the Thailand forum about bargaining and even the price of beers from one club to another: frankly is it different for any of us to pay 80 or 100 bath for a beer? Going through all these mails (would prefer field reports! Is boring, to me and likely to many of us! Second what I wanted to say is basically the same about girls: as you said it is everyone's decision to choose how much he is ready to spend. But on the top I want to mention that: should we torture our neurones about paying let's say 800 instead of 700 to spend some hours with a girl. 100 bath are roughly 2,5 Euros. All is said, I guess. And yes, I don't feel comfortable asking a girl to lower her price by 100 bath to spend a couple of hours with a man she would never wish to have sex with. I don't buy a vagina, I rent a person and am aware of that. Again, please, don't take it for yourself, my contribution is a general remark meaning that I have some trouble reading whole pages about some dozens of baths while the guy spends hundreds of dollars or Euros for his flight and stay.Actually, no! I did not misunderstand you at all.

I think you on the other hand, it seems, did not; and seem to refuse to acknowledge, the relative cost indexes of different countries, cost of living and why things, when coverted using different curriencies produce such disparities. This is what some economists refer to when they use use the term ' economic buying power incomes' and others in financial circles call geographic arbitrage.

Finally, it's all relative.

In the overall scheme of relative POV's, you paying 100 baht for a beer, others could look down upon it. And say that is gross beer.

I don't spend the way I do based purely on what I can afford, but also based on what is appropriate in cost of living and local currency terms. Can I afford to pay or spend $10 k every month for travel and entertainment? Maybe. But there are many others, who are friends, former colleagues, college class mates, and family members, who I know for sure, can easily afford to pay $50 k USD a month on travel and entertainment. They would maybe look at me in their own private minds and say what you say. And the same about your relative monetary comparisons. It's all relative.

Just ask the King of Thailand, one of his family members, or the business owners in Pattaya and BKK, who I have seen in Ferraris or Lamborghinis. Again, it's all relative. Neither you, nor I, are anyone special or important. So any such claim is just a relative claim and that's why I was musing that perhaps it is best to get off your monetary high horse. You may feel like a King in Thailand and that's great. But don't forget that's just feel good BS your stupid brain is feeding you. So, I say when in 'Rome' try your best to do, and be seen as, doing what the 'Romans' do, or something close to it, since we are tourists after all.

As you know, there are many in Rome and Paris who lament how the American, Japanese and other tourists muck it up for them in their own countries. I try, just a little bit, not to muck things up for the other guys. And keep the girls within relative local limits.

I'm not as good as Mr. ENT, but I am always consciously trying to not screw things up for the others either now, or in the future. Besides, you may also end up shooting yourself in the foot and return one day in the near future sucking your thumb and finding that prices are 10,000 baht or 15,000 baht as a result.

Everybody's actions feeds a 'do loop'. And many of the girls will learn very fast. And many do already do a number on many Germans and Europeans. Many girls in Insomnia are already getting paid a regular monthly amount of $300-$500 by guys from Germany (one that I met and posted about with a photo), Middle East and particularly Scandinavia. These are the very same girls that Mr ENT then gets for 1000 because the guys in Europe or the Middle East are subsidizing them. Same in Rio, or Sao Paolo, or Colombia or the DR. Most of these girls will be making fun of such guys with their girl friends, anyway.

BTW! This all started with you saying you paid 3000 for a LT with a Beach Rd girl ( probably one of the cheapest girls in Pattaya ). It was NOT about 2.5 euros about a beer. So, I don't get distracted by you saying it is about a beer and 2.5 euros. That's just BS.

The intent was to help you, not dishelp (yeah I know it's not a real word) you! But no one has a problem with you and your money subsidizing others. I am sure some will say 'Dank you very much' !

[Goatscrot]

As you know, there are many in Rome and Paris who lament how the American, Japanese and other tourists muck it up for them in their own countries. I try, just a little bit, not to muck things up for the other guys. And keep the girls within relative local limits.

I'm not as good as Mr. ENT, but I am always consciously trying to not screw things up for the others either now, or in the future. Besides, you may also end up shooting yourself in the foot and return one day in the near future sucking your thumb and finding that prices are 10,000 baht or 15,000 baht as a result.

Everybody's actions feeds a 'do loop'. And many of the girls will learn very fast. And many do already do a number on many Germans and Europeans. Many girls in Insomnia are already getting paid a regular monthly amount of $300-$500 by guys from Germany (one that I met and posted about with a photo), Middle East and particularly Scandinavia. These are the very same girls that Mr ENT then gets for 1000 because the guys in Europe or the Middle East are subsidizing them. Same in Rio, or Sao Paolo, or Colombia or the DR. Most of these girls will be making fun of such guys with their girl friends, anyway.

BTW! This all started with you saying you paid 3000 for a LT with a Beach Rd girl ( probably one of the cheapest girls in Pattaya ). It was NOT about 2.5 euros about a beer. So, I don't get distracted by you saying it is about a beer and 2.5 euros. That's just BS.Well stated. Wish all punters would adopt your attitude. The free spenders have spoiled so much.

[Banana Boi]

Haven needs to post on the Japanese boards.

[Mr Enternational]

The key issue that MR Ent was pointing out is the cost of living for a girl in Pattaya vs. Germany (your FKK example), and even lower cost than Pattaya, for the girls family who most likely lives in Isaan. So, the key question is what does say 2,000 baht buy or get a girl, in Pattaya or Isaan, vs. the normal net FKK prices that a girl can buy for herself in Germany, including cost of outfits and costumes for their work, transportation, make up etc, and of course rent, clothing, food etc. That's where the logic is.That is exactly where the fucking logic is. I was in the red light district in Amsterdam a couple of years ago and went to one of the chicks in the window to ask how much her services were. She said 80 euro (3178 baht). I also asked her how much she had to pay for the room. 250 euro/day (9,934 baht) was her answer. So after knowing that, it was perfectly understandable why her services were 80 euro. She had to get at least 3 customers everyday just to recoup the space that she works in. Then of course she has to pay for a place to live and all the other jazz that Haven mentioned.

If we are talking about one punter giving a Thai chick 3000 baht for one day when her place of living for the entire month is 5000 baht, then...I hope you can see where I am coming from.

What Gannaton may not realize is that Thailand is a bargaining culture. Many on this board look at the Indian brothers crazy when they are trying to make deals. But guess what? They are doing the same thing in Thailand as they do back home. The same way that people who feel uncomfortable bargaining and make every excuse for not doing it are practicing their culture of paying whatever they are told the price is without negotiating. When in Rome you do as the Romans do. In Thailand, the first price is not the final price unless you are in a modern shopping mall like Central Festival. See the link for details:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k22Mv4XC3os

I just like going places and paying a fair price for that particular locality. I would not go to Thailand thinking well it costs so much back home so I don't mind paying this because it is way cheaper; the same way I would not go to London and tell the taxi driver, "Hey Man I am not going to give you 50 pounds for a ride because back home it would only cost 30 pounds". He would say, "Well you are not back home, so keep walking buddy." That is why it makes no damn sense bringing what things cost back home or any other place into the equation.

[Goatscrot]

That is exactly where the fucking logic is. I was in the red light district in Amsterdam a couple of years ago and went to one of the chicks in the window to ask how much her services were. She said 80 euro (3178 baht). I also asked her how much she had to pay for the room. 250 euro/day (9,934 baht) was her answer. So after knowing that, it was perfectly understandable why her services were 80 euro. She had to get at least 3 customers everyday just to recoup the space that she works in. Then of course she has to pay for a place to live and all the other jazz that Haven mentioned.

If we are talking about one punter giving a Thai chick 3000 baht for one day when her place of living for the entire month is 5000 baht, then...I hope you can see where I am coming from.

What Gannaton may not realize is that Thailand is a bargaining culture. Many on this board look at the Indian brothers crazy when they are trying to make deals. But guess what? They are doing the same thing in Thailand as they do back home. The same way that people who feel uncomfortable bargaining and make every excuse for not doing it are practicing their culture of paying whatever they are told the price is without negotiating. When in Rome you do as the Romans do. In Thailand, the first price is not the final price unless you are in a modern shopping mall like Central Festival. See the link for details:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k22Mv4XC3os

I just like going places and paying a fair price for that particular locality. I would not go to Thailand thinking well it costs so much back home so I don't mind paying this because it is way cheaper; the same way I would not go to London and tell the taxi driver, "Hey Man I am not going to give you 50 pounds for a ride because back home it would only cost 30 pounds". He would say, "Well you are not back home, so keep walking buddy." That is why it makes no damn sense bringing what things cost back home or any other place into the equation.Yes Yes Yes! I have been preaching this for years. It's all about the local economy and what a person pays back home has no bearing on the costs here in LOS. Sadly Mr E so many punters think that it does and it has a very negative effect on the market. I remember one of my first trips to Nom Penh in '00. A friend was living there and we met up soon after my arrival. The first thing he told me was, "This is what you pay the girls. If you pay more you ruin it for all of us. " he's right.

I was in Pattaya a couple of weekends ago and was stunned at the price some of the gals are trying to get. Would love to meet up for a drink next time I am there Mr E. Sounds like you are a great dude to hang out with. I stopped going to Pattaya regularly about 9 years ago. It's very different now.

[Juicyclamlover]

But you agreed to pay the 3K before you experienced her awesome service so that has nothing to do with your reasoning to pay that amount. To put things in perspective for you, my rent is 4500/month and my girl makes 300/day working in a salon. I once met a FL on Walking Street who would come over every now and then. She told me that if a guy sent her 10K/month it would be sufficient for her to go back home and not be a hooker again. 3K is a lot of money in these parts. And many would say wayyy to much money for a Beach Road freelancer. Next time shoot for 1K long time and see how it works out for you.

P.S. Got a sick girl? It costs Thais 30 baht to go to the public hospital. Did your girl's family's buffalo get sick or die? It costs 1000 baht to buy a new one.I live in the Isaan Bush and there is no way you can buy a cow for 1000 THB let alone a buffalo so IMO your info is well out of date. Added purely for factual purposes.

[Sunlover2]

Well stated. Wish all punters would adopt your attitude. The free spenders have spoiled so much.I always find it amusing when punters fly across the globe, and then are surprised that things are not like they are at home. Then they do their damndest to make it just like home. Why travel then?

SL.

[Mr Enternational]

I live in the Isaan Bush and there is no way you can buy a cow for 1000 THB let alone a buffalo so IMO your info is well out of date. Added purely for factual purposes.A buddy of mine who has been living in Thailand for 40 years, his brother in law breeds them. He invested in his brother in law's business, so this info came directly from him. He speaks Thai fluently and teaches me many things about the Thai language and culture. For instance the words for banana (guai) and dick (kuai) are very close. He said before he could speak well he would go to the market and ask for 6 kuai and the ladies would snicker at him.

[Daddy07]

For instance the words for banana (guai) and dick (kuai) are very close. .

The Thai word for banana is gluay\, Mr. E. You left out the "l."

gluay\ khai_ is a variety of banana -- the small lady finger kind. You know that khai_ means eggs -- not dick, but slang for balls (testicles).

guay/ or (guai) as you put it means noodle.

khuay- is a vulgar slang term for penis.

khwaai- means buffalo. If you pronounce it wrong a Thai girl might think you mean dick.

Maybe your pal doesn't speak Thai as fluently as he would have you believe. Just saying :)

[Mr Enternational]

The Thai word for banana is gluay\, Mr. E. You left out the "l."

gluay\ khai_ is a variety of banana -- the small lady finger kind. You know that khai_ means eggs -- not dick, but slang for balls (testicles).

guay/ or (guai) as you put it means noodle.

khuay- is a vulgar slang term for penis.

khwaai- means buffalo. If you pronounce it wrong a Thai girl might think you mean dick.

Maybe your pal doesn't speak Thai as fluently as he would have you believe. Just saying :)Nah. It is just that I tried to transcribe it on my own! So it is my fuck up. (What I actually have in my notes is quay for dick and gooway for banana). I just remember him saying make sure you put emphasis on the first sound in banana so they will not hear you as saying dick.

[Member #4698]

To add to the fun: Some girls, Vietnamese in particular, call my dick a banana when they speak English to me. 555. I like their slang term and find it endearing when they use it in naughty conversation.

I wish I spoke Thai fluently like some of you guys. It is a great asset to possess. Most of the Thai girls I hook up with speak a somewhat limited bar girl English. I can't really converse with them like I can with my Pinays.

[Mr Enternational]

To add to the fun: Some girls, Vietnamese in particular, call my dick a banana when they speak English to me. 555. I like their slang term and find it endearing when they use it in naughty conversation. Many Thai women say this as well. Big Banana. Next time you meet a Thai chick tell her "phom mee gluay yai. Boom boom tood. " and see what she says.

[Titanio]

Many Thai women say this as well. Big Banana. Next time you meet a Thai chick tell her "phom mee gluay yai. Boom boom tood. " and see what she says.Please tell us know what it means as when I ask my private tiger, I might be ending up with a black eye.

I also hear them saying, oh anaconda.

[Christian G]

Please tell us know what it means as when I ask my private tiger, I might be ending up with a black eye.

I also hear them saying, oh anaconda."phom mee gluay yai. Boom boom tood. " = I have a big banana (cock), fuck ass.

[Pipul47]

Hi everyone,

Will be travelling to Pattaya for my first time. Have been reading this forum for quite a few days now.

Booked my stay at LK Metropole and am sure with the kind of experience everyone of you have shared here I will try my luck at mongering.

Thank you all for sharing experiences. Will share mine once I am back.

Cheers.

[Kumbu]

So after the three-way ball-draining I got on Friday evening in Bangkok, I decided to take the advice of Uncle Volodya, Haven123 and others and get my ass down to Pattaya. I've been to Pattaya many times over the last decade or so, and every time it changes just a little. We always hear, I mean always hear, from the doomsayers about how Pattaya, or LOS, or BKK are no longer prime mongering locations. This comes from both the crackpots who have never posted anything else on this forum, as well as old hands with plenty of history in LOS. You know, posts that go something like this:

"When I was a lad, we could get LT with anal and a kiss for 6 baht and a plate of rice. Now the girls want something reasonable, phphph. Pattaya is DEAD. ".

I'm kidding of course. But only a little.

Anyway, after having spent two full, active days in Pattaya (detailed in the next few posts), I can say that Pattaya has indeed changed significantly, and not for the better, IMHO. But that's not to say that it is not a terrific place to monger. I love this city, because right now, it represents something that no other city in the world (as far as I know) does. And that is that men have needs which are not to be shamed or denigrated or suppressed. These needs are natural, they are part of our biology, and to deny them is as bad as denying the biology of homosexuality, or other now-accepted notions. We used to think homosexuality was promiscuous, weak-willed, men of low moral character engaging in Sodom-and-Gomorra debauchery, when they should be raising repressed young children in the suburbs instead. Likewise, the broader culture, mostly lead by conservative and religious control structures, label what we do in much the same way. These conservative control structures have forged an unholy alliance with feminist reactive forces, which have pushed the demonization of male sexual needs beyond the pale. That is not to say that all male sexual desire is to be celebrated or even tolerated. There are things that should, on moral grounds, be prohibited, such as child exploitation, pedophilia, sexual abuse, etc. These typically involve the absence or inability to give consent by one party in the sexual encounter. But what we do is a different kettle of fish. What happens between two consenting adults should be no one's business, nor anything subject to moral indignation. What we do is no more a moral turpitude than what Macy's does every day: conduct a commercial transaction. I know, I'm preaching to the choir.

Pattaya is the one city where, as an institution, the city has accepted the fact that men like, nay, need to have frequent, uncomplicated and varied sex with women within the age range of 18-40. That, I believe, is a biological directive, certified by the birthing age of human females. And as an institution, the city has structured everything around the meeting of those needs. The economic backbone of the city is mongering, the inhabitants are all either mongers, providers, or regular people who owe 100% of their livelihood to this principle. And as such, the city has proven a basic economic truth: if there is a human need, and you provide a service to meet that need, you will make money.

My point? The city still holds to this basic human truth, and as such, still wins in my book. So despite the changes for the negative that I perceived over my albeit short two-day stint, I am still in the camp that says that Pattaya is #1 for mongering.

In the next few posts, I will describe in my normal excruciatingly detailed manner my weekend in this lovely oasis of human freedom.

[Kumbu]

Ok, this is it folks. I've been living the dual life for the last week or so, with efforts 100% focused on work during the day, and 100% focused on sexing it up at night. And this has been mentally and physically quite challenging, it must be said. But what am I supposed to do? Come to Bangkok and not partake in what it has to offer? That would be shirking my duties as a soldier of freedom in the army of the true male. Nay, it would be borderline treachery. So I powered through the fatigue like a good trooper, and now comes the weekend, with some very welcome respite from work duties. The girls at work asked what I would be doing over the weekend. I said I would probably relax a little, do some shopping, and enjoy some good food. None of that was a lie. Relax: sex. Shopping: peruse the multitude of sex outlets in wonderful Pattaya City, ranging from Coconut Bar all the way up to the high end gogo bars of Walking Street. Delicious Food: does DATY count?

I tittered my self over to Ekkamai for the bus down to Pattaya, like a giddy school boy whose girlfriend has just told him that tonight he will get to second base. I bought two seats and kept my nightbag with me, rather than check it in for storage under the bus. I always do this, and it makes for a much more comfortable trip down. I left at around 11:30 and arrived a full 3 hours later. I mention this so those of you looking to plan, know that you will need that full 3 hours. Sometimes it is faster, but traffic usually catches up to you somewhere along the route. Upon arrival at the bus station in Pattaya, I opted for the more expensive motocy and bombed down to my intended area of residence. I had not booked a hotel, and so I did a walk in, read my forthcoming review of Aya Boutique Hotel for details.

I was still beat because of a lack of sleep, so I took a power nap. I over slept and woke up at 7:30 pm. Argh! I need to get cracking. I am under strict orders tonight, and must serve my army with distinction. There is no room for error, and this is not the time to procrastinate. Shower, don my fancy linen shirt, gel, then a little extra gel, there, perfect. Off I walked into the very muggy evening in Pattaya.

[Kumbu]

At around 8 pm, there were numerous SWs on Beach Road, but none of them worth more than a glance. There was something wrong with every one of them, in some way or another. They were either menopause-proximal, or sported a faux 5-month-pregnant pot-belly, or had that meth-chic look which I've never been into. Some of them looked in decent shape, but were stuck looking at their cell phones, and these suffered from the worst affliction of all: disinterest in your hero, Kumbu. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

When I got to walking street, I remembered what a fucking ball-sweat of a beast it is to walk through there. The families, the hawkers with those fucking 'fucking show' placards (they all seem to think this will work, do some dopes actually go for this? The boys selling glowy wrist bands (watch out, they will try to snap one onto your wrist and demand money), and those goddam tours. If I could kill (or banish to Hoboken New Jersey) one set of these people it would be either the hawkers or the guys with those flags with dozens of clueless tourists following along like mindless ducks. Ducks? I meant Fucks. Can you sense my utter disdain? Anyway, my plan was to scout the gogos, and if anyone popped up, I would take her and see where the night went. And if not, I would aim to be in a nightclub by around 1 am. I planned to check out Lima Lima as well as Insomnia. Here are the gogos I went to, details below:

- Angel witch.

- Naughty girl (kind of).

- Supergirl.

- Angel witch again.

- Living dolls.

- Peppermint.

- What's up.

- Happy.

Angel witch

I walked in at 8:10 pm precisely and it was totally dead. Well, not really: there were 8 girls on stage, and 0 customers. I was the only one. Awkward, since none of the girls wanted to proposition me, since that would make them look piggy, and so they all just ignored me. It was surreal. But I liked it since I could scope out physiques without being pestered by annoying banter. I saw #99, who looked decidedly mixed, ethnically. She had a fatless body, as far as I could tell, with very proportionate limbs. But the coup de grace was her face. It was super cute, perhaps because of its both familiarity (European features) and exoticness (Thai features). But was she BF worthy? Naah, given the fact that this was my very first stop, and that she was giving me absolutely no love, I drank my draft beer, paid up the 100 baht and moved on.

Naughty Girl

I walked in, looked around, and walked right out. There were half a dozen girls, all roughly 3's on a 10 point scale, and so I saw no need to spend money there. I was mocked mercilessly by the waitstaff for showing such disrespect. Solly krap.

Supergirl

As soon as I sat down, before I had a chance to even look around, there was a girl sitting with me asking me for a LD. Normally I would get up and walk away, but she was cute, and I was in the mood to look. So you do need to invest a little for the pleasure of looking. So I agreed. The girl, on closer inspection, was not to my taste. Her facial features were a little too severe for me, and her body was too thin, bordering on wafe. So 10 minutes later, and I paid my 300 baht check-bin (my drink + LD) and moved on to. . .

Angel witch

Again. See, by this time it was 9:40 pm, ten minutes past the famous Angel Witch Show, and I wanted to catch at least part of it. So I trot in, but given that this was my returm trip, the girls took this to mean I had interest in them. So I sit down mid-show, and within 30 seconds I had a very toothy girl seeking permission to sit down. Ach, sit down, that's the first step towards LD, and then LD for some other leachy hanger-on, and then more LDs, it never ends. But again, I thought it might be fun to chat with her during the show, so I agreed. And within 30 seconds, her best friend arrives and says 'you buy for me lady dink naa, I take care you. ' Some back and forth later, and it turns out she means I get to rub her pussy. Yes, you read that right. I did not think Angel Witch was this raunchy, but apparently they now are. So LD it is. And pussy rub it is too. With both girls it turns out.

But I had seen this movie before, at Crazy House in Bangkok, and I was not really in the mood to repeat. In CH as well as here, the girls in question are of dubious pedigree, and I was not in the mood to compromise tonight. So one thing lead to another, and I had to let them know that there would be no BF tonight. They took it well, and asked for more LDs, but I said no. Aaaah, I put a damper on their party, I know, so sad. But significant damage had been done, and in retrospect, I think it was a mistake. Paid the 900 baht check-bin and scrammed.

I was getting tired at this point. The gogo hustle was getting weary, my energy was sapping, and it seemed there was no end in sight. I was not finding my perfect princess to fuck, and the hustle was getting more and more consistent. I could not let it get to me. I know far too much to buckle now. So on I went.

Living Dolls

This place is down an alley opposite the alley to Happy A-gogo. It has a similar vibe to Happy, but apparently it's not owned by the same group. One of the girls told me that Happy, Peppermint and Bacarra are owned under the same umbrella, and Living Dolls and What's Up are under a different umbrella. Anyway, I sit down, and I am not getting any pressure at all to buy LDs. What a fucking relief! I finally get a chance to look around and see if there is any talent. I had just had four beers in succession (one at each of the preceding bars), and so I was getting buzzed. I was not sure if it was the beer or if I was punch-drunk from all the hustling I was enduring, but either way, something needed to change. I had seen someone drinking an orange juice, so thought I would try it. I was expecting sanitized, homogenized, pasteurized, endless shelf-life Minute Maid or Tropicana style OJ, but got fresh squeezed instead. What a delight!

There were a couple of quality looking girls, but one suddenly stuck out to me. She was stunning, I mean she had a drop-dead gorgeous face, the kind that you see in magazines, or that belong to dolls. She had long, lustrous eye-lashes (which looked to be real, not fake), a pert, shapely (all natural) nose, a super sexy set of lips (perfectly shaped), and the killer of them all, a chin to win the day. I know, a chin is not what you usually write home about, but her chin was definitely worth a BF. It was a strong chin, for sure, but it had structure without being dominant. But it had such a fantastic shape, I don't know what else to say about it.

Her body looked pretty sexy too. But she was a small girl, very small, and shapely too. She had nice, small boobs, and sexy well-proportioned legs. Her ass was smallish, and her midsection was, well, fine, perhaps showing a little puffiness (though not fat, it was odd). She had lovely long brown hair, dead straight, and overall the package was one of elegance, sophistication, and sheer beauty. She was utterly beautiful, and I had to talk to her.

So I make the motion, and she comes over a few moments later. Her name is Whan, #55, from somewhere in Isaan that I have never heard of, near Khon Kaen she says. She is 150 cm tall (4'11") has worked there for 5 months. Her skin was soft and supple, and she seemed very pleasant indeed. The problem was that it was not easy talking to her. For whatever reason, there wasn't much of a vibe between us, so I decided not to make that bad decision, and bailed on her. My thinking is that I might return either later that evening (it was still early), or the next day. I paid the check bin for my drink plus two LDs, total of 450 baht. Getting ever more tired, as I trudged back up the alley way to the ball-squeeze of a Walking Street, I told myself "You know too much to buckle now, my friend, you know too much to buckle now".

Peppermint

I get in and it was bustling. There were many girls there, several of very do-able quality, and plenty of customers. There were three stages (right? I'm not sure if there were 2 or 3, now that I think about it), and each had perhaps 8-10 girls. I looked around for about 45 seconds before once again, I was ambushed by a tag-team situation. The first, prettier of the two, was {insert monosyllable here} and was {twenty something} years old, hailed from {insert random town from Isaan here}, and had worked here {insert random amount of time here}. Her friend, the uglier of the two, was named {insert different monosyllable here}, and was a tad older, at {insert previous random age+5}, and came from {insert different random town in Isaan here}. We talked for a full 3 minutes before the dry humping began. Little Kumbu got rubbed, hands were inserted into panty strings, boob flesh was groped, oh I can't remember what else happened, because it is all beginning to blur together into an unfortunate mass of female offerings in return for over-priced drinks. Cut to the chase: I got a good 10 minutes of proper groping and dry humping in return for 4 LDs and my own drinks. At that point, the more rambunctious and prettier of the two, started angling for a BF. I declined, so she asked for another LD, and I gave her a hard look, and she backed down so fast, it was funny. She said 'ok, ok' and waved her hand good-naturedly, as if to say, 'too much? I paid my check bin, which was a whopping 800 baht. Jeez, hang in there Kumbu, you know too much to buckle now.

Whats Up

I could not find this place, for whatever reason. Given the previous discussions here, I was eager to check it out. So I tried to find it on Google Maps on my phone, and surprisingly, it helped a lot. So I finally found it, the downstairs one, and sat down. And you guessed it, within 2 minutes, I was tag teamed by two ugly girls. They were like the two most ugly girls in the club. Some must like them but they were not my type. But again, they did some service for me, and I LDed them, but that was it. So two LDs and one drink for me, and the check bin came to. . . Wait for it. . . 1500 baht. I could not believe it. The drinks were priced at 500 baht per drink?! How the fuck could that be? So I asked, and they told me no, they are priced at 300 baht per drink. But we only had two LDs, and my own drink, so that should be the still-exorbitant price of 900 baht. They said no, you ordered two LDs for mama san too. Whaaaat are you talking about? I never did that. But they insisted.

I asked for the manager, and they said mama san was the manager. Oh great, she's the one ripping me off. So be warned, this place is a racquet, and I for one will not be returning.

Now on the flip side, the girls here were really gorgeous and energetic. There must have been 40 girls there, standing on the backs of the sofa dancing, jiggling stuff everywhere, it was quite the visual feast. But it ain't for the faint of heart, nor for the weak of wallet. I left feeling very depleted, in energy as well as morale, as well as lucre. But I could not let it get me down. I know too much to buckle now, too much. Yah, keep telling yourself that Kumbu.

Happy

And in total contrast to that, Happy is a great little place. They never hassled me, I sat there and soothed my grumpy self for 20 minutes over an orange juice, and paid my 85 baht drink fee, leaving a 15 baht tip, making for a very pleasant 100 baht experience at Happy. No talent worth writing about, but still a nice interlude.

So during my 20 minutes at Happy, I took stock of all the fleecing that had occurred over the last two hours, and I decided that was enough. There were still many more gogo bars available to visit, but I had had enough. It was time for me to hit the night clubs and see what I could find.

Let me say that the fleecing was partly because I had intended this to happen. This is not my first dance here, so I know how the operation works. I think, however, the hustling has taken on a different level of intensity. There has always been some pushiness to buy drinks, but it seems like on this night, and to me in particular, the hustling was pointed, unabashed and rather aggressive. I found out later that the drink requirement placed on girls has significantly increased since my last visit to Pattaya. Back then, three years ago, girls had a 50 LD requirement per month. That was hard for some girls to fulfill, but that is what they were required to do. Now, at least in Living Dolls, the requirement is that girls need to get 50 LDs in any ten-day period that they work. Not sure what happens if they don't meet the quota (I. E. , I don't know how much of their salary gets docked), but that is one fuck of an ask of these girls. Can you imagine how unhealthy that must be for them? Anyway, the greed here is clearly on the part of the bar owners, and not the girls. But the girls are put in the unenviable position of really having to go hard at the customers.

Nonetheless, it was exhausting, and I am lucky I quit when I did. So now, having unsuccessfully navigated the gogo scene on my first night, it was time to check out the nightclubs. First on the list was Lima Lima, which I have never been too. If that fails, my plan was to go to the tried and tested Insomnia (which I have been to several times in the past). All will be posted in due course.

[Banana Boi]

Thanks for the gogo review, kumbu.

Can I recommend sensations and iron. Also sapphire even though the quality there is dropping quickly.

For real raunch try windmill but don't expect hotties at windmill.

[Uncle Volodya]

SoThese conservative control structures have forged an unholy alliance with feminist reactive forces, which have pushed the demonization of male sexual needs beyond the pale. That is not to say that all male sexual desire is to be celebrated or even tolerated. There are things that should, on moral grounds, be prohibited, such as child exploitation, pedophilia, sexual abuse, etc. These typically involve the absence or inability to give consent by one party in the sexual encounter. But what we do is a different kettle of fish. What happens between two consenting adults should be no one's business, nor anything subject to moral indignation. What we do is no more a moral turpitude than what Macy's does every day: conduct a commercial transaction. I know, I'm preaching to the choir.

Pattaya is the one city where, as an institution, the city has accepted the fact that men like, nay, need to have frequent, uncomplicated and varied sex with women within the age range of 18-40. That, I believe, is a biological directive, certified by the birthing age of human females. And as an institution, the city has structured everything around the meeting of those needs. The economic backbone of the city is mongering, the inhabitants are all either mongers, providers, or regular people who owe 100% of their livelihood to this principle. And as such, the city has proven a basic economic truth: if there is a human need, and you provide a service to meet that need, you will make money.

Halleluiah, brother. Halleluiah!!

[Uncle Volodya]

Running and drinking and howling, all night long..Another excellent report Kumbu. What a trooper you are to put up with all those Gogos in one night.

I think your analysis is spot on. The greedy pricks whom own and manage the gogos are ruining the scene. 5 LDs a ngiht! Can you believe that shit!? I feel sorry for the poor girls. No wonder they are becoming so pushy. And all that alcohol does not contribute to good health. It may also explain why the quality of girls' looks is going downhill.

[Uncle Volodya]

Thanks for the gogo review, kumbu.

Can I recommend sensations and iron. Also sapphire even though the quality there is dropping quickly.

For real raunch try windmill but don't expect hotties at windmill.Those are all good. What abtou a visit to Soi 6 for some financial relief?

[Cool]

Since I met Mr. E I have not paid 2 k LT. He made me realize my lone Sabai Dee soapy visit wasn't a deal with the soapy pocketing half of the fees and putting you on the clock. Soapies promise 2 hrs but all the girl has to do is rush through the massage and get your rocks off in half the time. Am I tempted to pay 3-4 k for a go go stunner of course. I have gotten hotter girls for alot less than soapies and even found my first Asian GF during my first 10 days in Patts. Yes, I can splurge on a $300 hotel room but at checkout I take nothing with me but the memories just like if I rent a $300/ day Mercedes. 3 k is warranted if you are short stay, desperate, rich, on expense Acct. Japanese or Korean. I feel under 28 yo 8+ looks / body good personality and hopefully later good performance / no rush would be worth it. I have had women in USA and Thailand leave their earrings because they wanted another pay day. Mr E tutelage has me meeting women who are not mechanical and GFE. Do not feed into the logic you need to session the same girl 4 times to warm her up. A lot of girls get comfortable if they see me twice. That is expensive and time consuming for the non wealthy. The Dom Rep. Guy considers himself 'pocket change' who strikes cut rate deals and breakfast while the sponsor is away in Canada. All it takes is for a few of her girlfriends to peer pressure her to go out. As the night closes she thinks a little pocket change will be nice for a new outfit or phone.

[Haven123]

Since I met Mr. E I have not paid 2 k LT. He made me realize my lone Sabai Dee soapy visit wasn't a deal with the soapy pocketing half of the fees and putting you on the clock. Soapies promise 2 hrs but all the girl has to do is rush through the massage and get your rocks off in half the time. Am I tempted to pay 3-4 k for a go go stunner of course. I have gotten hotter girls for alot less than soapies and even found my first Asian GF during my first 10 days in Patts. Yes, I can splurge on a $300 hotel room but at checkout I take nothing with me but the memories just like if I rent a $300/ day Mercedes. 3 k is warranted if you are short stay, desperate, rich, on expense Acct. Japanese or Korean. I feel under 28 yo 8+ on looks....IF I was 28 yo and an 8 + on looks, the girls would be paying me! LOL.

Also, Mr. ENT would also have to pay me too, or buy my drinks, if he (Mr ENT) wanted to hang around in my company!

Alternatively, if I was in Mr ENT's shoes ( in such a hypothetical universe), I would be setting you up with some girls under the understanding that they give me credit on their account with me for 50 PC of whatever you were paying them ! 😝😈👻

LOL (Mr ENT). !

[Kumbu]

Just to remind you, it was this last Saturday night and I had just worked myself into a froth going from gogo bar to gogo bar, and not making much headway. It was now around 1 am, and it was time to switch from gogo mode to FL-nightclub mode. I had never been to Lima Lima, so decided to give this a shot.

Before making the trek southwards to the end of WS, I stopped by that place next to Moulin Rouge to have some fried rice and an Americano. I so needed the carbs and caffeine, after which I felt so much better. Phew. And I needed to put a stop to the alcohol, which was just not helping my case at all. Ok, on to Lima Lima, with the expectation (based upon previous reports on this thread) of the exotic.

The walk down that tail end of WS is a little dicey, I feel. The katoeys increase in frequency, it gets darker, there are fewer people, and you get some odd looking people there. It does not feel dangerous per se, it just made me a little nervous. At the end though, I saw a station of tourist police, and that made me feel like I was not going to get mugged by a combined gang of lady boys and glow-stick kids: "Give me your money, and let me grab your balls, and here, take this glow stick thing, we can't seem to get rid of them".

Once you pass out of the edges of WS, there is a huge 'Lima Lima' sign in neon pointing left, so you can't miss it. I paid 250 entry, and got myself a vodka mixer, which was mostly coke with a splash of vodka, in honesty. The guy overseeing the drink situation looked like he was in charge. He was a beefy chum, obviously afflicted with an addiction to heavy weights. He had some studs and rings in his eye brows, and looked like one surly muther fucker, not to be messed with. I could not place his ethnicity. He looked like he may be from the caucuses, or perhaps Turkish? But when he spoke, I thought I detected an Indian accent, so not sure in the end. But he was perfectly polite and borderline charming, if it weren't for the menace of rippling pecs.

So I walk in and the place is about one third full. There is loads of empty space, and it was now 1:15 am. There were more Indian guys than WGs. The Indian guys were having a great time, many of them openly arm-waving and knee jiggling in the pretense of dance, it was a party of epic proportions for these subcontinental brothers. There were some late-twenties Thai WGs, but more mid-thirties-to-early-forties Thai WGs, along with the occasional white girl. Most of the girls (though not all) were clearly there to earn a living, but the quality just wasn't there for me.

I did spy a stunner, sitting there in a tight, sequin-studded bustier, openly pointing her tits at every man that walked past her. The sequins, coupled with the size and dimensions of her pointing device dubbed her Sparkling Tits for me. So Sparkling Tits may perhaps be this mythical Iranian visitor of perfect complexion that others have spoken about. She saw me, I saw her, her tits pointed at me, and we both mutually acknowledged the impressiveness of her sparkling tits. And that was the end of it. There was no chemistry at all between us, and so I did not even bother talking to her. I therefore cannot confirm or disconfirm that this was indeed the Iranian girl, since she could have been a dark Uzbeki or something like that.

Other than her, there was no one worth looking seriously at. I went and stood on this elevated stage area where everyone might be able to see me if they were looking, and where I could definitely see everyone. I made a point of methodically, systematically, going through every single person in the club to see if they were worth considering. I came up empty. As I made my Gaze of Kumbu though, I noticed about half a dozen Thai WGs openly smiling at me, so the Come Hither was there, waiting for me to accept the offer. But little Kumbu wiggled not once, and so out of respect for my little pal, I was obliged to walk.

So while I was disappointed with Lima Lima, I must say that I can see how it would work for some people. I liked the fact that there were so many Indians there, all of whom were obviously having fun. My guess is that all but the stingiest amongst them got laid that night. And let me clarify that the male population was by no means all Indian. There were some white dudes and some black dudes too, so a good mix. And while the quality of the girls was not there for me, I think beauty, eye of beholder, etc. The entrance fee is steep though, for the gamble that awaits inside.

So I departed within 10 minutes of entering, having had a grand total of half a sip of the vodka mixer. 250 baht down the drain, but consider it the cost of reconnaissance. On to Insomnia.

[Kumbu]

Those are all good. What abtou a visit to Soi 6 for some financial relief?I considered that Uncle V, but I did not have the energy (believe it or not) to deal with the heat, the humidity, the trek up to soi 6, and the mind-boggling number of choices. Oh, I am so spoiled. But fear not, your hero redeemed himself. Stay tuned for those reports.

[Kumbu]

Thanks for the gogo review, kumbu.

Can I recommend sensations and iron. Also sapphire even though the quality there is dropping quickly.

For real raunch try windmill but don't expect hotties at windmill.Huh. I was scared to go into Sapphire. It seems intimidating for some reason. I went into Iron on my last trip, and did not enjoy their motif, so skipped it this time. And Windmill, oh yes, Windmill, maybe they should rename it Fingermill, if you know what I mean? But did not go this time, sadly.

[Goatscrot]

Huh. I was scared to go into Sapphire. It seems intimidating for some reason. I went into Iron on my last trip, and did not enjoy their motif, so skipped it this time. And Windmill, oh yes, Windmill, maybe they should rename it Fingermill, if you know what I mean? But did not go this time, sadly.I thought Sapphire had one of the worst collections of plastic surgery disasters I have ever seen in a Thai GoGo. Also very poor attitudes. I was the only non-Asian dude in there. Would give it a pass.

[Kumbu]

Just to preview what lies within this tome, I describe my rather fruitless experience at Insomnia on Saturday night. There is a hustle scheme afoot at Insomnia, described within, and I also mention an encounter with a very beautiful, very expensive FL from Surin. And of course, my experience with the fat ugly lady that spoiled the whole thing. At the end, I do get laid, but with a Beach Rd FL.

The quick walk from Lima Lima to Insomnia was marked by two near-hit lady boy encounters and two glow-stick kids trying to trap my wrist. I slapped all four of them away with my slender hand. Upon entry at Insomnia, the goons frisked me. I don't get this. I had a wallet in one pocket, along with a cell phone, and in the other pocket, I had another cell phone plus a wad of cash, a pen, a pill box (pain killers, Levitra, caffeine pills), and a bunch of other stuff. They pressed these things gruffly, and let me through. There could have been anything in my pockets, including a 12 inch black dildo, or more pertinently, a weapon of some sort. Perhaps the intent is not to actually detect my 12 inch dildo or my Swiss Army pen knife, but rather it gives them the opportunity to see if I get flustered by the idea of a frisk. So maybe there is some logic in there.

At the top of the steps, the crush of humanity began immediately. I mean, it was Saturday night, and Insomnia was in full swing. The room was as full as a room can get, I considered what would happen if there was an emergency, and I tell you what, there would be death and crushed people for sure. There is no way that number of people can get out of that room in a reasonable amount of time. Thank you Fire Marshall Kumbu, on with the description, shall we?

At the door there was a wall of people, and so I pushed my way through thinking there was space a bit further inside. But how wrong I was. This felt not so much like a can of sardines, but more like a can of human spam. Indistinguishable human meat crammed into a tight area without regard to the origin of that meat. I kept pushing and pushing my way through the spam, and before long I was in the middle of the club. There was no place to stand where you were not in someone's face. It was incredible. And everyone, I mean everyone was eyeing everyone else. It was amazing: every girl that I passed eyed me, and I reciprocated, and it was not just me. The same was happening for every guy in there. The hook up disco of all time: Insomnia Pattaya.

I decided to make my way around the club. As I walked, I was batting about 500 in terms of eye gaze + smile. That is, roughly half the girls were locking eye gaze with me and then either holding it a moment or mildly smiling. But the smiling was rare. The girls here play a little smoother than in Lima Lima. Here, there is the veneer of every day respectability, but really, everyone knows why we are here. We're not in this dance club to dance, phphph, fuck no: there is no space to wriggle your elbow, let alone rip out a nae nae.

I then made my way down the right side of the club, walking the gauntlet of ladies and other irrelevantly gendered humans. It was very hard to see and assess during this time, so my goal was not to see, but to be seen. Everyone did see me, of that you can be sure. Boy, these girls take their work seriously. They look like they are having fun, but this is work boiiii. While they are mixing their whiskey and coke on their table, you can see their eyes darting around, looking for any potential mates for the night. It is intense.

Got to the back, crossed over to the other side, and walked my way back up to the front of the club. There was absolutely NO WHERE to stand. I was looking for a spot to park my sorry ass, but there really was nothing. It was uncomfortable, to be honest. It's like dancing with a super hot chick, you feel awkward, and don't know how to move, where to put your legs, and oh god, what do I do with my goddam hands?!

I found myself at the front, just in front of the toilets, standing in a spot of space that had somehow emerged. Phew. There was this giant of an Asian man on my left, and then a small corridor of space for people to in and out of the toilets, and then there were three tables against the wall, occupied by ladies of varying hotness. In front of me was a table, occupied by some medium-warmth girls and some dudes, and behind me were perhaps 10 people standing around who I was not watching (mistake).

I stood for a good 20 minutes, observing, sipping beer, trying my best not to look bored, or awkward, or anxious. You want to look cool, but not too cool. You want to look happy, but not frighteningly gleeful. You want to look relaxed, but not high. And you have to hold your posture, or else you will look like a slouchy sloth. And it's hard to coordinate all of this, after 4 hours of beer-drinking, gogo-girl-fending, and walking street sweat-exchanging.

Seeing nothing, I decided to make another round of the club, and it took me a good 30 minutes to get all the way around. I did stop in the back to observe from that angle, but quickly moved on. It's the smokiest part of the club. And when I got to the front again, I regained my spot. But this time, I did notice who was in the space behind me. There were two girls, one wearing a blue one-piece dress, with long sexy hair. She looked mid-thirties, but in good shape, and somewhat attractive. Not quite my stunner preference at this moment in time, but a good back up. Her friend was, well, less fortunate in the looks department. It was very sad, but she was perhaps the least attractive person in the club. She too was mid-thirties, very overweight, and unfortunately, her face was the absolutely least attractive you could imagine. She had eyes like a pig (not being mean, but it looked like pig eyes), and her lips were fat, thick, and bulging. Her cheek bones popped out at the wrong place, somehow, and her jaw was slightly protruding. So very hard to look at. As I noticed them, they both gave me a smile. Oy, let it not be, please.

Next to them was a wiry white dude who looked odd, like there was something wrong with this kid. He was in his mid-thirties and seemed playful for no reason. He was dancing, but in a supremely girly way, with his hands twisting and his body twirling. It looked like something out of Mystique Dances in the Rainforest with Unicorns, or something. Anyway, I took up my spot in front of them, and next to the giant of the Asian man who was still there. The Asian guy was something of a curiosity. He was huge, maybe 6'2", shoulders the size of a Mini Cooper, and a seemingly gentle disposition about him.

In front of me, to my left, I noticed a super sexy girl. She was wearing tight, short, tight, shorts. And these shorts were both tight and short, in case you missed that. Moreover, her top was matching in all the relevant parameters, namely tightness and shortness. She was standing right in the walkway to the toilets and dancing very obviously. She had a great smile on her face, and was basically just inviting bids for her services. She was very gregarious, very energetic, and very, very well put-together. She was a 9 in my book, perhaps more.

A middle aged Russian looking dude, large, gruff, though clearly sophisticated, approaches her and eyes her voluptuous ass, and then gives her a big old smile. She reciprocates, and they start to talk. Aaaah, well, the beauty of the club, snapped up before I had a chance to really scope her out.

I stood for another 20 minutes, and then made my trip round the back. This time, as I was walking, I bumped into a girl in a bunny-like outfit, and she started chatting me up. I was a little surprised by how forward she was. She put her hands on me, was pushing all the right buttons, and then asked for a drink. What? Is this an LD, or was she scoping me out, to see how generous I was. I agreed, and then her friend arrived, and this girl asks for drink for her friend. I agreed, just to see where this was going. As soon as I agreed, one of the work staff at Insomnia ushered me and the two girls into the middle of the club, cleared out some space on a table and placed us with a group of other people at a table. Am I getting table service? What for?

Then I noticed that both these girls were wearing the same outfit. Hmm, this is not looking good. So I asked one of them why they are both wearing the same thing, and she says 'we work here'.

Ah.

I had just got played, by the same fucking hustle that the gogo bars are playing at these days. There's something about the tag team dynamic which causes confusion in the male brain, and I was not able to pick up on it fast enough. It all happened so fast. Dumb, dumb, dumb. So these girls were grifters, not WGs, and my guess is that they could be bar fined, but why would you pay a bar fine if you could get someone else for just the cost of their services? Anyway, a few moments passed and they both asked for more drinks, and I said in a flat tone, "No. That's it. " And I looked away from them. I could not even bare to look at them, they disgusted me. And they knew it. They slinked away a few moments later, leaving me at the table, with a decent place to stand now.

I stood there for a good 30 minutes, but it was the middle of the club and I could not see people very well. So I eventually moved back to my spot at the front, and just as I got to the front, a table against the wall opened up, and I zipped over, found a stool and sat down. I noticed that I was now sitting almost shoulder-to-shoulder with that sexy girl's friend. The sexy girl who hooked up with the gnarly Russian dude. Only she had not! She was back dancing, alone, a mere 3 feet from me.

But her friend, who I had not even noticed before because of said bunny's bobbling ass, was one mighty fine specimen. She was wearing a red halter top (I have written of my fondness for the red halter top before), and had a very cute face. She was sitting on a stool, like me, with her back against the wall. Her friend was dancing right in front of her, which is why I had not seen her before. But she was sitting quietly at the table sipping her drink, occasionally looking at her phone, making no noise or drama. I said nothing to any of them, just played it cool for a while.

Because I was alone at this table that was in a prime location, people wanted to share the table, which is cool. The first ones to join, unfortunately, were the mid-thirties girls from before, the decent back-up and her very ugly friend. But the decent back-up was looking less and less decent the closer she got to me. Her nose was off, not fake, but just weird, and I could not get past that. Besides, she was clearly not interested in me because a dark-skinned muscle man appeared, and they were suddenly an item. Cool.

But unfortunately for me, ugly girl took a serious liking to me. She offered her glass for me to clink drinks with her, which I did (you have to, you can't refuse). And that was the opening. After that, she started getting more and more chummy with me. She was getting closer, and was giggling and laughing, and just trying everything to start some kind of flame. But how could she? She was hideous!

Meanwhile, I was trying to work on this beauty on my left. Every time I looked at her, she was getting more and more pretty, so I decided to strike up a conversation.

I lean over and ask her why her friend is so happy and dancy, but she's quiet and sitting down. She says something about how it is so cold in Insomnia, and that her friend is shielding her from the AC vent. I thought of offering to warm her up, but that would have been too soon. I let it stand at that. I was sitting right next to her, so no need to press the conversation too fast.

While I had been in conversation with this beauty, her friend was in conversation with an elderly European guy. The man was obviously sophisticated, and he was obviously into the very best of asses, which is why he was chatting up this girl. But a few minutes later, he took his leave of her.

Then those fuck-wads with jello shots arrive, and the fat ugly girl at my table says 'yes, yes, yes', and she points to me, herself, and her friend, indicating that now that we had shared a table for a full 7 minutes, it was time for us to bond with shared jello shots. I said, 'no, not for me', and she pushed me aside and indicated that I do not know what I am talking about. She ordered 6 from the guy. I grabbed her by the arm forcefully, and said 'NO. I am not having those, I don't want jello in my body. No. ' She brushed me off again, and 6 jello shots arrive. And somehow the check comes to me. How did that happen?

Turns out this is all a game. If a lady buys the drink, they pay full price. If a lady orders that same drink and a man pays for it, the lady gets a LD ticket, redeemable for cash upon exit. You don't have to be an employee of Insomnia, any lady can do this. It is a scheme to get falang to part with their cash. So the shots were 35 baht a piece, and I was being billed for 6 of them. I paid, but I told her that I am not drinking / eating them. She objected, and I over-ruled her objection. She appealed, and I dismissed the appeal.

So she got her friend to try the first, and she nearly gagged. So the ugly girl was left to finish all six of them. Which she did, but she did so with great eyeballing at me. As if somehow this was MY fault. But this was all her doing, in an attempt to cozy up to me, and I fucking was fucking not fucking having fucking any fucking thing to fucking do with it. And no fucking, that's for sure.

This was all observed by the stunning girl sitting to my left, which actually made me feel good. I'm glad she got to see the kind of shit we have to put up with.

Meanwhile, an Indian dude spies the pretty girl's gorgeous dancing friend to my left. He stops in his tracks, and gives her the 'oh come ON, you've got to be kidding me!' look. He sidles up to her and starts talking to her really well. This paji had game, I have to give it to him. He was not much to look at. His face was fine, but he had a pot belly, loads of hair sticking out of the top of his shirt, but he had a nice smile, and he was one smooth muther fucker. You could just sense the inner confidence in this man, confidence bourn from a childhood of unconditional love. He had self-worth, and was willing to approach this most unattainable of beauties to try to convince her to come back to his hovel with her. She was supremely polite (I could hear their tone, not their voices), and there was some nice back and forth banter. But after just 5 minutes or so, Indian dude bids her farewell and departs.

So I asked the pretty friend, who I was getting more and more into, why her friend keeps batting all these guys away. Is she not interested in men tonight. Her response was utterly illuminating:

"Her price too high".

Hah! You did NOT just say that, darling! Her price?! That tells you everything you need to know about why beautiful girls are in insomnia. She continued:

"Men, they like my friend, but they cannot pay her price, and she not come down on price. " I asked what the offending price was, and she said "6000 baht". I said "yes, that is a very high price. What's your, erm, price?" 4000 baht came the response. I nodded, and smiled at her.

So there is about as much chance that I am paying 4000 baht for an Insomnia FL as I am going to vote for Donald Trump, but I have to say, this girl was more sparkling than any of the gogo girls I saw that night. She was well-spoken, she was cute, and she was physically stunning. 4000, when compared to what some gogo girls are fetching (including LDs and BFs) could be considered a steal for this gem. But not for me.

Before I made a counter offer (I would be willing to go with her for 3000, though I was going to offer 2000 and work my way up as little as I could), I decided to build a little rapport. I asked her where she was from (Surin), why she spoke such excellent English (and she did, it was not bar girl English, but it had fluency and grammar), and she said she learned since she was a child, and she also went to university. Huh. We talked a little more, and I was digging this girl. As in, dig if you will a picture, of she and me engaged in a kiss.

I was interrupted by the ugly girl's friend, who slapped my knee, and said to me, "You go with my friend?

This took me by surprise, since one moment I was heavily engaged in enticing the pretty little fruit on my left, and now suddenly I am being asked to take the pork belly home with me. Unfortunately, and I really do regret this, I did not have the wits to mask my horror at the idea. I said "no", but I did so with the face and intonation of "are you fucking kidding me?" So like Nooo! And unfortunately, fat girl saw this response, and I saw her face just sink like a sack of rocks in the Hudson river. My response had just validated every insecurity about herself that she has, and it was cruel of me. It was downright cruel, and I should have been better. I should have been just a tad more human to this girl, who after all, was playing the game just like all the rest of us.

Imagine if you proposition a girl, and she gives you that same response: Nooo! You would feel like shit. Granted, in that scenario you would be paying, and in this scenario I guess I would be paying, but still, emotional rejection is hard to take. So she storms off into the toilet. Argh.

I sat there for 5 minutes feeling dejected, while dancing girl hooked another fish who was too small, and she released him back into the pond. My preferred girl was sitting quietly, watching people as they walked by. And then fat girl emerges, and it looks like she has been crying. Oh jeez, really?! She has a bunch of toilet paper with which she is wiping tears away from her eyes.

So my mood is shot, it is 4 am now, and I am exhausted. Even if I close the deal with this beauty to my left, I don't know if I can make it count. But fat girl starts to maraud around me now, with this angry expression on her face. And she's looking at the two pretty girls to me left, as if they are the ones causing all this misery for her. She's looking downright belligerent, with her brow furrowed, her lower jaw protruding, and her fists clenched. Uh-oh. I decide it is time to bail.

So I lean in to the pretty thing, and I tell her that fat girl just got rejected, and she is angry, and I am concerned that she might get violent. And pretty girl says to me: "I completely understand, that is a very reasonable concern for you to have. " When was the last time you heard a Thai girl of any kind speak like that? I say I must leave, and she says "too bad". Yes. I considered asking for her number, but that would just be too much trouble. I did not want to tie myself down at this point, I only have one more night to go. She's pretty as one can imagine, and given her lexicon and control over English grammar and prosody, I am sure I would have lots to talk to her about. But 4000 is a lot. Even if I can negotiate her down to 3000, I wonder. However, note that in retrospect, I think I should have tried to negotiate her down, since the very next night I spent that amount on a gogo girl, and it went, well, ok. But I think the lateness of the night was the real deciding factor. I was ready for bed, believe it or not.

So I bailed. I walked out, and made a point of letting fat girl see me leave.

So I got out onto walking street, and by now it is no longer walking street. Cars are now allowed on the street at this hour, and it has transformed into a market of sorts. I start walking back to my hotel, very, very dejected. I was followed the whole way by ladyboys saying 'I want to go widjooooo'. Sweet, thanks, but no thanks. I was feeling pretty dejected: I came to Pattaya and I'm not getting laid?! How did I manage to fuck this up so badly?

As I was walking up beach road, I came across a FL who was very do-able. Hang on, there's hope yet. But she was not all that stunning, just doable. So I walked a little more to see what was there, and I found a slightly sexier one. This one had a pretty face, looked to be mid-twenties, and had nice legs on her. My, there is potential on Beach Road even approaching 4:30 am. I kept walking and I came across a third sexy girl, about as sexy as the previous one, and I thought I had better not push my luck. So I smiled at her.

She said "where you go?" I said hotel, and she said "I can come with you". So I asked her how much, and she said 1500ST. Hah! I said no, thanks, I am on my way back to sleep, so no need to spend 1500. She said ok, 1200 baht. I said no, no need, I am happy to sleep. I said I can give you 500 baht for ST, since I want to sleep soon. But you have to do some smoking, and then sex with condom, many positions. She had trouble with the last part (understanding), but we agreed in principle. So the 500 baht deal was agreed upon in principle because it was 4:30 am, and I was so confident in my assertion that I was on my way back to sleep. Which I was. So she had no negotiating power at all, since I had nothing to lose.

So we walked the 2 minutes to the hotel making small talk (Isaan, one child, etc. , etc.), she showered first, followed by me. When I got out, she was under the sheets, naked already. I got into the sheets, and she went straight to the BBBJ. It was not great at all, but whatever. She had some smoking legs, so I maneuvered such that I could massage her legs while she sucked, and then I grabbed her ass, which was a little flabby and leathery. In fact, when I got that close to her legs and ass, I could see the numerous imperfections in her skin. There were the obligatory kne and calf burns from motorcycles, there were what looked like cigarette burns on her thighs, and there was some minor stretch marks on her calves. None of this is visible until you get within 6 inches of her legs. But what do you want for 500 baht?

I put on the condom and worked the rather feckless little Kumbu into her pussy. We did missionary, on her side, flat on her belly, and then we ended in doggie (of course). It was fine, nothing spectacular, perfunctory is the word. And next week I will not remember what her face looked like. But her body served as a vessel to stimulate my genitals and a vessel into which I could ejaculate. That's all I needed, after the night I endured. I gave her 800 baht.

So in sum, this was somewhat of a strikeout night for me. True, I did get some very cheap, acceptable sex at the very end of the night, but the pursuit of perfection was thwarted first by the gogo hustle, and then by the can of spam that was Insomnia, and then by the ugly girl who took a liking to the gentleness of Kumbu. But before you naysayers revel in my failure, let me say that the next night was the exact polar opposite to what happened today. So stay tuned for a happier field report soon.

[Goatscrot]

Anyway, after having spent two full, active days in Pattaya (detailed in the next few posts), I can say that Pattaya has indeed changed significantly, and not for the better, IMHO. But that's not to say that it is not a terrific place to monger. I love this city, because right now, it represents something that no other city in the world (as far as I know) does. And that is that men have needs which are not to be shamed or denigrated or suppressed. These needs are natural, they are part of our biology, and to deny them is as bad as denying the biology of homosexuality, or other now-accepted notions. We used to think homosexuality was promiscuous, weak-willed, men of low moral character engaging in Sodom-and-Gomorra debauchery, when they should be raising repressed young children in the suburbs instead. Likewise, the broader culture, mostly lead by conservative and religious control structures, label what we do in much the same way. These conservative control structures have forged an unholy alliance with feminist reactive forces, which have pushed the demonization of male sexual needs beyond the pale. That is not to say that all male sexual desire is to be celebrated or even tolerated. There are things that should, on moral grounds, be prohibited, such as child exploitation, pedophilia, sexual abuse, etc. These typically involve the absence or inability to give consent by one party in the sexual encounter. But what we do is a different kettle of fish. What happens between two consenting adults should be no one's business, nor anything subject to moral indignation. What we do is no more a moral turpitude than what Macy's does every day: conduct a commercial transaction. I know, I'm preaching to the choir.

Pattaya is the one city where, as an institution, the city has accepted the fact that men like, nay, need to have frequent, uncomplicated and varied sex with women within the age range of 18-40. That, I believe, is a biological directive, certified by the birthing age of human females. And as an institution, the city has structured everything around the meeting of those needs. The economic backbone of the city is mongering, the inhabitants are all either mongers, providers, or regular people who owe 100% of their livelihood to this principle. And as such, the city has proven a basic economic truth: if there is a human need, and you provide a service to meet that need, you will make money.Sadly this is changing quite rapidly. Pattaya was indeed a monger's town when I first visited in the late 90's. There were very few "other" tourists. Low season was amazing with very few dudes in town and GoGos, beer bars, and Soi 6 packed to the gills with gals. Beach Rd was only two lanes and traffic was non-existent. At the moment I would say that "regular" tourists outnumber mongers at any time during the year which is quite a change. Chinese package tourists abound. I wouldn't get near Koh Larn if you paid me. My sense is that this trend will continue. Non-mongers will become a higher percentage of Pattaya tourists. Walking St will become more and more like Bourbon St in NO with the true fun and filth gone and a more Disneyland type feel to it. The saving grace for me are places like Kinnarree. Love the G-Clubs. Perfect pricing structure as well.

[FL Hawk]

So I sit down mid-show, and within 30 seconds I had a very toothy girl seeking permission to sit down. Ach, sit down, that's the first step towards LD, and then LD for some other leachy hanger-on, and then more LDs, it never ends. But again, I thought it might be fun to chat with her during the show, so I agreed. And within 30 seconds, her best friend arrives and says 'you buy for me lady dink naa, I take care you.
Love your reports, dude! We seem similar. We kind of take things as they go and sometimes find out too late that we messed things up. Certainly, not getting laid in Pattaya is quite depressing! Haha But your description of buying LDs is spot on. Sometimes it can be fun to have a couple of girls getting your full attention, but in looking back it is pretty rare to actually end up taking one of them home. I have enough trouble dealing with one girl, let alone two or three.

Hope the rest of your trip goes well. I am dying to get back there, which is strange as I left there only about 5 weeks ago and I was so ready to leave. Sigh.

[Haven123]

I feel kinda bad that you did not score at Insomnia. I just wish I was there with you. I was there practically every night for about 2. 5 weeks, alone, with guys from ISG and a couple of times with a girl I found there.

So, a couple of thoughts for you, BECAUSE it takes about 3 nights and at least about 12-15 hours to figure out the girls at Insomnia (it might not have seemed so to others, but I am very patient, and I love to study, study, study ). :

1. I think you arrived at about 2 am. And that's good. I think you said you were beat by 4 am, I presume it's because you hit some other spots before Lima, Lima (which I never entered). That was unfortunate, IMO.

So, next time you may want to do what I did. I take a nap from about 9-1130 pm or midnight (after afternoon massage and hanging around at Central Festival or other places nearby my condo. And then I get to Insomnia (aptly named for me) by about 1 am.

When I arrive there, 95 PC of days I had never had a single drink before I entered Ibar / Insomnia. I had massages and massage girls in my condo apt but never drank and never kept any booze in my fridge. So, I was freshly shaved and showered too right before entering at about 1 am ( and a little bit to eat as well to coat the stomach ) all those nights.

I then just drink, dance (yeah you can dance, even though it's wall to wall people) if you are on opposite side near the DJ area or right below, or right directly in front of the small stages ogling the girls up there who are dancing. Usually the ones there try to get me to pick them! Try standing there, it works ! But move around ! Don't keep buying drinks for the girls then they claim you so, it's best to be seen as a high energy ( loner ? ) for hours....Also,move around, move around, and never stay in any one area for more than 15-20 minutes, as then you in that spot become stale. Move and show energy and be happy and show it. But you can return to that spot 45-60 minutes later and that return may sometimes get more looks from some decent young girls .....Don't get stuck at a table at Insomnia...I think that's the kiss of death there as then you become sedentary ....and it sends a ' boring ' message to the girls, visually and in terms of energy.

But, I do dance a lot (I'm not particularly good, but I do project a lot of energy and look like I am happy and having a ball). I walk around a lot, maybe 6-10 times before 4 am. And, there are some good, hot girls who only arrive by about 3 am. And then, after about 4/5 am, when all the other dance clubs close another fresh crop comes in (both guys and girls). Remember Insomnia closes at 7 am and even at 630 am there are probably 75-100 people still in there. These latecomer girls are definitely worth keeping tabs on, because IMO, you can find some diamonds in the rough and great GFE's. These latecomer girls want a date ans need the money. In general, at Insomnia, I would say the better a girl is dressed, the less interested I am (there are exceptions) because I am looking for diamonds in the rough. And, newbies (say 1-4 months in Pattaya). As Mr ENT says, avoid the girls in groups of 3 or more and avoid the ones who are clearly there just to party or are doing a live feed on their phones for their overseas boyfriends. Avoid ones with expensive iPhones too.

2. IF you don't mind BR type of girls, as a last resort, you will usually find those less confident and not so hot looking girls, dressed below average, right below the DJ area at Insomnia. I would pay them only 1000 LT though because they are at best 5's. I had zero interest in them. Although quite a few over there on many nights would grab me, talk to me, try to dance with me and say they wanted to go with me etc. There were 2 girls at Insomnia (one from below the DJ area) and one that always hangs out near the front entrance tables who were 6/7 that on second thought after I left Pattaya, I said to myself I should have tried. And, that's because they really seemed to have a interest in me and I am sure both would have agreed to 1000 LT. Or else, I reject them (but please remember that I'm one who likes to set very low expectations and then if they are really good GFE, never ask or talk about money, and want to just stay with me. Then I often pay them twice what they expected. Only because, if I really like a girl, I want to express that clearly and also want to see them happy because that makes me happy. And, I am always looking for girls who could be GFE and stay with me a minimum of 2-3 days and nights as GFE companions (meaning I have to like the face and the personality and they are under 28 ) . The rest then usually follows.

3. IMO, the best time to strike a deal there is between 4-5 am. Maybe even 530 am, for LT. Of course, by now many girls would have been taken. But, usually patience has rewarded me, between the 430-545 am time period. A few times I just asked a girl at 545 or 6 and had no problem. But I always spoke my price first and did not allow the girl to quote first. I think it's easier to cut a deal if you start first at Insonmia and the highest I started with was 1,500 LT. I was able to get girls (none bad thankfully, except the one who never entered my condo apt because she was pretending to throw up and said she would in my apt). The most I agreed to was 2,500 LT and that was for an 8. And that girl who was an 8 IMO, told me, for younger , hotter guys she may go for 1500 LT.

I had 3 girls who stayed with me for multiple days. So, it can work. And, I'm not young like Mr ENT or Uncle V. So, I think you will do better, if you embrace the place in your mind and show a lot of energy and live in there happily for hours and hours, night after night. Getting better at the scoping and targeting as the nights add up. At least, that was my experience. YMMV. I liked it so much that I will be back in Jan / Feb for 5 weeks, and will do just massages and Insomnia practically every night (although my nasal allergies and smoke from in there resulted in sinusitis for me and I had to get on my sinusitis antibiotics.) Price for me for being in that Insomnia war zone. But, I don't like Go Go girls or the the saopie girls or the girls in the Soi's. I might go back to Kinnaree ( if it's still open ) though only cause it's an early Pm thing. I suggest you try it ( near Jomtien ) and get there by 1 pm.

4. Also, another important thing about Insomnia is you will find that your game and your confidence and your results get better with experience (as with most things) and so after day 3, you will recognize the regulars (who I avoid). Also, try to be nice, tip well the bartenders behind the bar, and try to get to become acquainted with some of the roving bartenders guys. These guys can be helpful in avoiding bad girls and asking them if a girl is a regular there.

5. I never bought any drinks for any girl in about 12-15 nights ( except with one of guys ) BEFORE I decided that I definitely wanted to try her LT. Yeah, I spent about 20 k baht there on just my drinks. But got a 20 % discount on all drinks ( except the shots from the mobile/ roving servers) with the 500 baht VIP card, and 10 % in rewards money on the card to use at the NY Diner below. This came in useful as I ended up with nearly 2,000 baht to use there and the girls like to eat there before they leave.

[Alex7J]

Just to preview what lies within this tome, I describe my rather fruitless experience at Insomnia on Saturday night. There is a hustle scheme afoot at Insomnia, described within, and I also mention an encounter with a very beautiful, very expensive FL from Surin. And of course, my experience with the fat ugly lady that spoiled the whole thing. At the end, I do get laid, but with a Beach Rd FL.

I put on the condom and worked the rather feckless little Kumbu into her pussy. We did missionary, on her side, flat on her belly, and then we ended in doggie (of course). It was fine, nothing spectacular, perfunctory is the word. And next week I will not remember what her face looked like. But her body served as a vessel to stimulate my genitals and a vessel into which I could ejaculate. That's all I needed, after the night I endured. I gave her 800 baht.

So in sum, this was somewhat of a strikeout night for me. True, I did get some very cheap, acceptable sex at the very end of the night, but the pursuit of perfection was thwarted first by the gogo hustle, and then by the can of spam that was Insomnia, and then by the ugly girl who took a liking to the gentleness of Kumbu. But before you naysayers revel in my failure, let me say that the next night was the exact polar opposite to what happened today. So stay tuned for a happier field report soon.First BKK and now Patts you have an absolute edge in your writing my dear friend and its an absolute adventure reading your posts. Its like I am in your place as each and every sequence is so detailed and yet so erotic its just amazing.

Super best FRs I should say and there should be a new page dedicated to your FRs so everyone can read and enjoy the time.

Cheers man: Keep the good work and never stop writing.

As for the floors scene you should party with us and never any lady will quote you any price.

Alex.

[Uncle Volodya]

Insomnia can be a daunting experience. The can of spam analogy is spot on. I know exactly how you felt that night.

And I think you really had some bad luck with getting hooked by the fat girl. Otherwise you may have been able to work the hottie and get her to lower her price as the night wore on. I would have given piggy the coldest of shoulders right away and maybe have even bailed from the table. I find those situations excruciatingly uncomfortable.

Also when the start to order drinks / jello shots on your tab always appeal to your server to say no. I have found that they are pretty good about that and have almost always looked to get my approval before serving the stuff the girls order.

The costume dancers girl scam is a new and unfortunate development at Ibar. It can be quite disorienting. I got roped in once for an LD. But at least I was able to make put with and engage in some heavy petting with the girl a bit before her friend came over to ask for a drink and I realized what was going on. So all in all it wasn't a bad experience, but one I will avoid in the future.

Haven offers some great advice on how to work Ibar. He really got the hang of it during his trip. I endorse everything he says. The dude has a great energy about him and it really puts people at ease.

I'd also add that if you don't want to play the long game you can be in and out of there pretty quickly. Just quickly make the rounds, pick your target, lay down a little charm, and you are usually good to go. On many nights I have hit Ibar at 1 AM and been out of there with a hot girl for LT by 3 AM at the latest. But this takes a little discipline and decisiveness.

I am not great with dealing with crowds and get a little claustrophobic packed in the spam can. The jostling and shoving form the douchey guys really gets on my nerves. But when its less crowded (say on a Thursday nights) I am very happy playing the long game and letting things come to me.

[Haven123]

The costume dancers girl scam is a new and unfortunate development at Ibar. It can be quite disorienting. I got roped in once for an LD. But at least I was able to make put with and engage in some heavy petting with the girl a bit before her friend came over to ask for a drink and I realized what was going on.FWIW, I don't think it's a scam. The girls in the outfits who dance there are Insomnia staff, just like the bartenders. I think they get paid very, very little and they cannot just leave with a guy. There is no BF. And, they are not coyote girls. But, I believe management allows them to make some money off the drinks you buy for them at same price that you pay. They will even sit at a table with you if you buy a bottle. And after 3 am or later (I've seen one of those hired dancers leave at 7 am once) some may do only ST (they can't do LT because they have to go home and sleep and get ready for work again 6 nights a week until 3 am or even 5 am. I believe they do ask for 4 K ST because they think they are hot shit. If you cut a deal you have to wait until management lets them leave. There is no BF. I would smile and be real nice to them but don't buy them a drink. Ever. I never did. I studied them and asked some of the staff there (to get corraborating but independent input) and figured out that it was not for me. I like pure FL's and those that are not regulars. So they did not fit my target.

[Uncle Volodya]

FWIW, I don't think it's a scam. The girls in the outfits who dance there are Insomnia staff, just like the bartenders. I think they get paid very, very little and they cannot just leave with a guy. There is no BF. And, they are not coyote girls. But, I believe management allows them to make some money off the drinks you buy for them at same price that you pay. They will even sit at a table with you if you buy a bottle. And after 3 am or later (I've seen one of those hired dancers leave at 7 am once) some may do only ST (they can't do LT because they have to go home and sleep and get ready for work again 6 nights a week until 3 am or even 5 am. I believe they do ask for 4 K ST because they think they are hot shit. If you cut a deal you have to wait until management lets them leave. There is no BF. I would smile and be real nice to them but don't buy them a drink. Ever. I never did. I studied them and asked some of the staff there (to get corraborating but independent input) and figured out that it was not for me. I like pure FL's and those that are not regulars. So they did not fit my target.I did not mean scam in the literal sense. I am sure its legitimate and organized by the club. And I agree the girls need to make a living. But its still a waste of money for me. So to be politely avoided. There is never a need to be nasty in these things anyway. Just smile and move on.

4 k ST! Crazy. And they really aren't that hot. So many hotter FLs there.

[Haven123]

4 k ST! Crazy. And they really aren't that hot. So many hotter FLs there.Yeah, you be right! There was just 1 girl there, a bit short, very pretty face and muscular body who I might have considered. But I was wise enough to remind myself that this girl would never be GFE. She was a pro. And, she gets many suckers coming in there every night from all over the world. Pass.

Many of these employee dancer girls wore tights with so many holes in them (I was up close for hours), that you could tell that in terms of actual dineros they just did not make much. Because that job they have at Insomnia gives them almost zero flexibility to do what the FL 's do, and can do, particularly LT.

Maybe best, if interested, is to get their phone number and then communicate to find out what's possible and when and for how much. Not for me though. There's a lot of talent there besides them.

[Alex7J]

I feel kinda bad that you did not score at Insomnia. I just wish I was there with you. I was there practically every night for about 2. 5 weeks, alone, with guys from ISG and a couple of times with a girl I found there.

4. Also, another important thing about Insomnia is you will find that your game and your confidence and your results get better with experience (as with most things) and so after day 3, you will recognize the regulars (who I avoid). Also, try to be nice, tip well the bartenders behind the bar, and try to get to become acquainted with some of the roving bartenders guys. These guys can be helpful in avoiding bad girls and asking them if a girl is a regular there.

5. I never bought any drinks for any girl in about 12-15 nights ( except with one of guys ) BEFORE I decided that I definitely wanted to try her LT. Yeah, I spent about 20 k baht there on just my drinks. But got a 20 % discount on all drinks ( except the shots from the mobile/ roving servers) with the 500 baht VIP card, and 10 % in rewards money on the card to use at the NY Diner below. This came in useful as I ended up with nearly 2,000 baht to use there and the girls like to eat there before they leave.Heaven this is what I ideally do except that I just drink more than you guys and then pick a girl in the club and drink with her so she has a crazy times or shift clubs but that is all in BKK or DXB not here in Patts.

Never been to Patts as I always thought it was more sleazy and I like more classier places and nicer crowds of women with me. But that's just me but rest of all your write up is just the typical as I normally do and I yes I am more old than you all.

Cheers: Pattaya is so much fun I didn't knew. But not for me I more like the city life good places to eat and nice clubs and fine women every lady is fine when the snatch is clean and shaved.

Alex

[Uncle Volodya]

Maybe best, if interested, is to get their phone number and then communicate to find out what's possible and when and for how much. Not for me though. There's a lot of talent there besides them.Considering their looks this seems like a total waste of time. Unless they hire some stunner.

Reading this is bringing back good memories bro. I look forward to seeing you take over the dance floor at Ibar in January!

[Kumbu]

I feel kinda bad that you did not score at Insomnia. I just wish I was there with you. I was there practically every night for about 2. 5 weeks, alone, with guys from ISG and a couple of times with a girl I found there.

So, a couple of thoughts for you, BECAUSE it takes about 3 nights and at least about 12-15 hours to figure out the girls at Insomnia (it might not have seemed so to others, but I am very patient, and I love to study, study, study ). Thanks Haven123, I appreciate it. I actually got much of that advice from your earlier, very detailed posts, when you were active in Pattaya, so I was aware that there was a benefit to spending more time in the place. But the reality was that I only had two nights in Pattaya. The first night was a dud, as you read, but the second was an absolute scorcher. You will see that post soon, just as soon as I can get it written up.

As for your other advice, it is all well taken and spot on. Thanks.

[Haven123]

Thanks Haven123, I appreciate it. I actually got much of that advice from your earlier, very detailed posts, when you were active in Pattaya, so I was aware that there was a benefit to spending more time in the place. But the reality was that I only had two nights in Pattaya. The first night was a dud, as you read, but the second was an absolute scorcher. You will see that post soon, just as soon as I can get it written up.

As for your other advice, it is all well taken and spot on. Thanks.Awesome, Kumbu. Look forward to reading it.

I guess you will just have ta' return soon to Patttaya on a longer visit?

[Kumbu]

Sadly this is changing quite rapidly. Pattaya was indeed a monger's town when I first visited in the late 90's. There were very few "other" tourists. Low season was amazing with very few dudes in town and GoGos, beer bars, and Soi 6 packed to the gills with gals. Beach Rd was only two lanes and traffic was non-existent. At the moment I would say that "regular" tourists outnumber mongers at any time during the year which is quite a change. Chinese package tourists abound. I wouldn't get near Koh Larn if you paid me. My sense is that this trend will continue. Non-mongers will become a higher percentage of Pattaya tourists. Walking St will become more and more like Bourbon St in NO with the true fun and filth gone and a more Disneyland type feel to it. The saving grace for me are places like Kinnarree. Love the G-Clubs. Perfect pricing structure as well.I think this is correct, though I am perhaps not quite to pessimistic as you. As I understand it, there has been a push to Disneyfy Pattaya for more than a decade, but it really got started about 10 years ago when a new whipper snapper mayor decided he was going to actually do it. Things did become more sanitized soon thereafter, and that is a worrying trend, to be sure. But the reasons regular tourists come to Pattaya are three fold, as far as I can tell.

1. It is marketed heavily to them.

2. Accommodation is plentiful and cheap.

3. They want to see the sex industry.

That is, I don't believe the tourists come because of the natural beauty, or the scenery, or the water_sports (legit kind). If they want beaches and natural beauty, Phuket is the place to go, or even places like Hua Hin. But Pattaya is kind of dirty, with nothing particularly special about it (natural beauty wise).

From these three reasons, the first has to do with the aforementioned whipper snapper. But the last two are directly linked to the sex industry. Without monger tourists, the hotel industry would collapse. And without the gogo bars of WS, why would anyone come to Pattaya? They come to ogle, and that is why WS is such a beast to walk through. It is much the same in the red light district in Amsterdam: the number of regular gawking tourists is amazing, and off-putting, but that industry has been around for many decades. It too is changing, but will it disappear completely? I doubt it. Moreover, there are so many other side industries that have developed to support mongers during the day time (like go carting, water slides, all the shopping, etc.), that without us, those industries would also subside.

But overall, I think change is inevitable, and it may very well be that in two decades, Pattaya will be a clean, wholesome city. I don't think that is terrible, since I am convinced that another city will spring up to take its place. After all, the economic principle I stated in my previous post will remain in effect so long as there are male testicles in existence, and therefore an industry will exist to support the need that falls from that.

[Kumbu]

Awesome, Kumbu. Look forward to reading it.

I guess you will just have ta' return soon to Patttaya on a longer visit?Oh if only it were that simple! If it were up to me, I would be living there, for sure. But my life only allows the occasional dalliance with the cat-nip that is Pattaya.

[Kumbu]

I awoke still with a taste of failure from the previous night. Thousands spent on gogo bars, hours spent being squashed in Insomnia and targeted by big, fat, ugly women, I was not feeling like a success right now. I needed to make things right. This is Pattaya, after all. I needed to make this the best fucking night of my time here in LOS, or else I would not forgive myself.

I awoke in time for the included breakfast at Aya Boutique Hotel, so I started plotting and planning over omelets and poor substitute-coffee. But here is the plan I hatched.

1. Spend the day writing up reports from the last few days in BKK.

2. Eat well, hydrate even better.

3. Nap at 4 pm, awake by 7 pm, in time for dinner before 8 pm arrival at WS.

4. At 8 pm, I would hit Living Dolls to try to get that cutie Whan, #55. Hopefully a return visit will spark some chemistry, as has happened to me in the past.

5. I would ST her, be with her until no later than midnight, then grab something to eat.

6. Hit Insomnia, and hopefully hook up with that Surin FL from last night, this time unencumbered by the fattie bossy lady. Also having drained little Kumbu, there won't be a sense of desperation in my mind, and with the nap, I won't be fatigued, so I will be able to close the deal.

So the first part of the plan went just fine. I wrote, did some leisure reading, ate very well, hydrated even better, it was all good. Nap time came along, and like clockwork, I was in bed at 4 pm. I awoke a tad late, 7:15, but no worries, I could still be in time. I showered, grabbed something quick to eat on the way down to WS, and was into Living Dolls at 8:05 pm. After ordering my OJ, I looked for Whan. She was not on stage, so maybe sitting along the side? No sign of her. I looked for a good 5 minutes, but she just wasn't there. Really? Fate? You're fucking with my plan at this early stage? Well FUCK YOU. I am going to make this night work.

As my anger simmered, up steps a lovely, lovely looking lady, with elegant, long legs, and a strikingly model-like face, #57. She smiles, I gesture, she joins, LD arrives, we chat. She has gorgeous features. She reminds me of a slightly pouty, slight naughty cat. We chat for a while, and she seems cool at first, but slowly the chemistry begins to warm up. But I still wasn't feeling it 100%. Argh. So I bailed. My thinking was that I would hit one or two other gogo bars, and if nothing works out, then I would return for #57, whose name, by the way is Num (pronounced Noom, sorry, not sure about the tone).

So I pay my bill, and on the way out, I bump into Whan. She is sitting shyly in the corner, and she waves to me to get my attention. She says she arrived late, she's happy to see me, she gives me a huge smile (more than I got yesterday), followed by a cute hug. I was right, the return is an indicator of interest, and they take to that kindly. But I was already up and on my way out, so I persisted with my plan. I would hit a gogo bar or two, and if nothing better comes up, I would return and take my pick from Whan or Num.

So I walked over to Mandarin at 8:40 pm. I walked in, and there were around 8 girls on stage, with a further 4-6 milling about. The line up was interesting, eclectic.

My eyes were first drawn to a truly lovely looking specimen in the form of #69. She had a striking face, and an even more striking figure. Her face had an air of sophistication about it. She had a prominent forehead, large, lovely, cat-like eyes, with her face tapering to a great, full chin. Her features were perfectly symmetrical, and her eyes expressed a sense of confidence and contentment. I'm sure reality was a far cry from this appearance, but still.

Her figure was even more striking, as I say. She had long, beautiful legs. They were slimmer than Kumbu prefers, but they were just super sexy. Her hips were wide, but there appeared to be not a trace of fat on this girl. And yet, she was very curvy. She faced me fully, and the hour glass that was revealed boggled my grasp on the space-time continuum.

She looked at me ever so momentarily, and ever so slyly, before gently moving away. And moments later, a small smile crept across the sides of her lips. Oh yeah, we're both feeling it. She was doing a very gentle, but rhythmic undulation of her body, almost snake like in its waves from top to bottom. She was the serpent, and I was the weak-willed man, mesmerized by her movement and seductive glow. She really was alluring, and I was smitten.

Contrast this to chunky girl to Kumbu's right. She had heavy breasts, fat thighs, buck teeth, and was gyrating her body to ludicrous proportions. Meanwhile, she was looking at Kumbu unabashedly, almost calling out his name: "hey! You! Over here! Pussy, right HERE man!" No, that is not Kumbu's style.

Further to the right was a girl with the single largest, most well-shaped breasts I have ever seen in Pattaya. I know there are those with breast fetishes on this thread, and so I am here to tell you to make your way to Mandarin, to visit #98. She had these comically large glasses on, kind of like 1970's mom-glasses. I think it was designed to attract attention, that's all. But with those knockers clanging around dear, why detract with those silly glasses? They really were superb breasts, even for a non-breast man like myself. She was very dark skinned, but overall very cute and tidy. Moreover, those tatas were 100% real, and very obviously so. Nothing doctored about those DDs.

But my heart was slowly slipping away to #69. She was the air of elegance, with filigree intricacy and cool, confident class. The DJ did his blurb, indicating a switch in shifts, and my lass grabs hands with a steel-toothed friend and exits the stage. To my surprise, steel-tooth girl was headed my way. Oh dear, did steel-tooth girl friend take a liking to me, and not my targeted girl?

Steel tooth introduces herself, and tells me (to my delight) that her friend likes me. Like, yes, meaning she sees a mark, ok, I get it. I am very happy at this outcome, and so I invite both of them to sit.

My girl sits on my left, steely sits on my right, and my girl immediately takes my hand into hers and starts stroking. And when I looked at her, she smiled. Oohhhhhhh MY WORD. I thought she was pretty on stage, but when she smiled, goddam, it was the most gorgeous face I have seen in years. Really, I shit you not, this is worth the price of an airticket to Pattaya, just the face alone. Her name is Yok, 22 years old, from Isaan, etc. Etc. Etc. Her friend is {do not care}.

Steely keeps talking to me, and I have to look in her direction, but I keep looking back at Yok, and my word, she is a fine lady. Dark, milk chocolaty skin, smooth as the cocoa butter within. Her fingers are slender and utterly sexual, and her eyes, oh Buddha help me. Steely is trying to close the deal for her friend, no doubt expecting a tip. Some joking ensues about the beauty's bar number (69), haha, she does it, haha, it's her number, haha.

I ask her how long she's been in Pattaya, and she holds up two fingers and says "2 years". I then ask her if she has any kids, and she says yes, one. I ask how old, and she holds up two fingers, and says "2 years". Ah. Now we all know that correlation does not mean causation. Except in this case, I think it does.

I inquire about BF, and I am told 1500 before midnight, and 1000 after. Whoa, that's a bucket of cold water on my erection right there. 1500 for the BF, followed by a (likely) 3000ST? Nah, too rich for my blood, despite the textbook definition of beauty sitting to my left. So I concoct a story about meeting friends for dinner, and that I will return at midnight, and she says ok. I then tell her that despite this agreement, I am 100% sure that when I return she will not be here. She insists she will, but I tell her that tonight she will definitely be BFed, and I will be disappointed. She assures me again, relax you odd un-American American, I'll be here when you get back.

So I had a new plan. I would run over to get Whan / Num, ST her and be done by midnight, and then scamper over to Insomnia, see if I can locate the Surin beauty from last night, and if so, try to strike a deal. If that does not work, then hurry back to Mandarin to the awaiting Yok, who assures me that she will be there for me. Yok, therefore, would be the backstop in case Surin falls through. Strategy, my friends, strategy. Three shots at a double whammy for tonight, that's the plan. Seemed like a very frantic plan, but bear with me.

So I hop, skip and jump over to Living Dolls, eager to put my plan into motion. I get in, sit down, OJ ordered, and Whan runs over to me (literally). Great sign. She sits, puts her hands in my lap and starts hand dancing around. She puts one of my arms around her so the hand is placed firmly on her upper thigh / ass, and holds my other hand with her two dancing hands. We chat, giggle and joke for a while before I ask about the BF situation. 600 baht BF. Great, much more reasonable, but it is a 3000 baht pre-pay situation. Oh dear. This is a bad idea.

I've done this twice in the past. Once it worked out really well, and once it failed miserably. I know a few weeks ago there was discussion on either this thread or the BKK thread about pre-paying and how it eliminates motivation, and I grant you all that point. Plus 3000 for ST is high, IMHO, so I was not convinced. Hmm, what to do.

Sensing my hesitancy, she starts snuggling and stroking, all indicating that things will work out. She was working me for the commitment, and I was gradually crumbling. Alright, let me try this. Let me see how this works out, and if it works out well, great, I will be the king. But if it works out poorly, I will be out 4000 baht, and probably be skewered here on ISG. I know many of you object to this price point, but it's the high end of the market.

So I pull the trigger, she hops off to change. 10 minutes later, she returns, and we start the ball-crush back up WS. As we are walking, we are talking and kidding around, it augured well for the next few hours. When we got in, she looks around, giggles a little, and we sit down and sip some cold water. She smiles at me, and my heart melts. Such a goddam attractive face, it hurts to even remember it. A few minutes later, she retreats to the shower, and is in there for a good 10 minutes. Ok, clean is good. She comes out wrapped in a towel, and I go in. Wash, scrub, pull, yank, all good down there, and out I go.

When I get out, I see her lying on the lounger day bed area, fast asleep. Huh? What, is this a game? Was she pretending? I get closer to her, and I hear her breathing, and I see the relaxed facial muscles. Nope, this is the real deal. I just paid 3600 baht for a girl to come and take a nap in my hotel room. I look at the time and it is 9:30. Ok, not bad. I thought I could let her nap a little, take a picture of her sleeping, do a little bit of work, and then wake her up at around 10 pm. Hopefully, she will be refreshed, and we can go for an hour or so before kicking her out. We're all good still. She must have been really tired though. I know how that feels, to just fall asleep in the middle of doing something, so I can relate. See the attached picture of this beauty taking a cat-nap in my hotel room, and tell me that isn't one of the cutest things you've seen in a while.

At around 10 pm, she was not even stirring. She had not moved a muscle in 30 minutes, so I went over to check to make sure she was still breathing, and she was. So I left her for another 30 minutes. At 10:30 though, I was getting ancy. So I sat next to her and started stroking her hair. She slowly woke up, and suddenly realized where she was. She gasped, her eyes opened wide, and then she lay back exhausted and embarrassed. She apologized, then covered her face in embarrassment. Oh, she was so cute when she was embarrassed. Such a lovely thing, your cuteness goes a long way, that's for sure.

The stroking continued. I stroked her neck, then her shoulders, and then her upper chest. I slowly removed parts of the towel and stroked what was beneath. Her skin was soft, not as soft as Diamond in Bangkok (see earlier posts in the BKK thread), but still soft enough. But more importantly, her skin was. . . Tight. It was 22 year-old tight, the kind of texture and tension that can't be faked. This is a primary reason why lecherous old men like Kumbu salivate at the forbidden 22-year old: the skin of youth on a package that meets all standards for consent, and that has a little bit of sexual experience. Younger, and you lose the experience or consent, and older and you lose the skin (as well as other things, of course).

I moved the towel away to reveal her belly, while meticulously keeping the towel over her breasts and pussy. I stroked her belly and sides for a while, noticing that it was strangely distended. I mean, she was not fat, but just bloated. Was it her period? She made no intimations as such. She did not seem to have any qualms about coming with me tonight, so she was not particularly uncomfortable. So this made me think that this was her natural figure. A slightly larger than normal midsection, making for an almost apple-shaped body. Not really: she had a definite hour glass figure, but anyway, the belly was a tad bloated, I'm just saying.

So then I went down to her legs. I started kissing her legs too, and I went all the way down. Her legs were nice, very tasty, but the closer I inspected them, the more pedestrian they seemed. They were not long, they were not particularly shapely, and the skin was not anything of note. From a distance, her legs are quite sexy, but closer up (like nose-length away), not so much. Hmm, a little disappointed. I removed the towel from her breasts (keeping her pubic region covered still) and kissed around her breasts. This whole time she was still, not moving, and eyes closed, occasionally shifting to indicate pleasure. When I got to her breasts, I got no reaction whatsoever. She just lay there. I worked the breasts for a good 10 minutes, and I got nothing from her. Ok, maybe it doesn't do anything for her.

So I moved down to her pussy and slowly removed the towel. It was close cropped, revealing a pussy that kind of stood out. I mean, it actually protruded outwards slightly, like it was pouting or something. The lips were almost outward facing. The skin was a dark brown, with a purplish hue, in distinct contrast to the rest of her, which was quite light in color. So it was a little surprising to find such a dark pussy down here. I liked it a lot, it was just surprising. So I moved in for the suckly, and as I did, I noticed some white flecks on her pussy lips. Uh-oh. Before sucking, let's make sure things are clean down there.

What I found was a little off-putting. It was toilet paper. What exactly had she been cleaning for 10 minutes if not her pussy? It couldn't have been her butthole, or the rest of her body, since there just wasn't enough real estate to take a full 10 minutes. Anyway, I picked the 4 pieces off her lips, pinching her slightly on each piece, and she did not even react to this. I started to suck, and there was just a hint of odor there. It wasn't too bad, but it was not fresh as a freshly rained-on meadow, so to speak. I worked her for 10 minutes, with her giving out the occasional groan and mumble, so that was good. As I was doing this, I kept marveling at how perfectly gorgeous she was. I just can't get over how manicured, stylized and model-like she was. It was quite a scene.

As I warmed her up, I eventually stuck my tongue into her pussy, and I found that hard to do. Oh jeez, her pussy hole was so small, my tongue was having trouble getting in there. How on earth is little Kumbu going to get in there? There ain't anyway this is going to work. I lifted up her hips and gave her whole pussy a bottom to top swabbing with my tongue, and in the process took a look at her butt hole. What I saw there was just as petite as the pussy hole. Ugh, that's the thing with tiny girls, they come with tiny orifices. And little Kumbu, despite his name, needs a little bit of room to enter. I've had some pretty dismal experiences in the past with small ladies where the geometry of little Kumbu into little vagina simply did not work out, and we've had to go to alternative plans. Sheesh, what are we going to do?

I tried to pry that little worm hole open a little with my tongue, just to see what kind of flexibility this young little body had. But no going. It was hard and firm, quite puzzling really. No question about this being her hymen, but still, it was a remarkably tight pussy for a WG, especially one that has been in the business a full five months. Quickly doing the math, if she's BFed 3 times per week (conservative estimate), that's more than 60 customers she's been with in the recent past. Surely she had entrance issues with them too?

So I kept at the DATY, slowly warming her up more and more, but her eyes remained closed. And with her eyes closed, a gentle smile upon her face, I felt that old enemy within resurface. I had it once before, just a few days earlier in Bangkok, when I sucked on a pussy for 3 hours or so, and at the completion of that epic, I had no desire to bring the experience to a proper consummated end. And so I was feeling here again.

Stay with me guys. I'm not advocating paying these ladies to NOT fuck them. I'm not trying to promote that, or anything else for that matter. But sometimes, the pleasure that you pay for is not coital necessarily. I was gaining great pleasure by looking at this beautiful, warm, naked woman in my arms, pleasuring her, tasting her, touching her every inch. I was worshiping her body, as opposed to exorcising my ejaculate from within me and casting it into her. This hedonistic worshiping was worth every ounce of energy I expended yesterday, so heady was the feeling. And somehow, to fuck her seemed like it would spoil the experience. The whole experience would morph from something angelic and beautiful, to something baser, coarser, and more mundane. I've fucked hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Thai WGs over the last 25 years, and this would just be another one of those. But leaving it now, the way it was, would make it a much more memorable experience. At the risk of antagonizing the readers of this thread, I must confess that this is what I did.

I worshiped for another 10 minutes, doing her front side, flipping her over and making sure the backside was properly baked. I then flipped her over again and did some more. But in the end, I slowed the pace of my kissing and licking and stroking, and eventually slowed to a crawl, and then to a stop. I sat up, looked at her, eyes still closed, smile on her face, and exhaled softly.

She opened her eyes, and my heart skipped a beat. She said "You have condom?" and I said yes, but I don't want to do any boom-boom. A frown appeared, and she asked why. Had she done something wrong? I did my best 'it's not you, it's me routine', but she was puzzled. She did not argue the point (great for her, right?) But she wanted assurance that I was happy and that I would not be returning to the bar to lodge a complaint. I assured her.

She showered, and left without incident. I grabbed my clothes and ripped out of there soon thereafter, looking to continue this sexual bender through Pattaya.

[Blanquiceleste]

I thought Sapphire had one of the worst collections of plastic surgery disasters I have ever seen in a Thai GoGo. Also very poor attitudes. I was the only non-Asian dude in there. Would give it a pass.I agree. Sapphire is all plastic. Take a look at hte FB page and you will see what I mean. The girls only want to make money from drinks and hardly give a thought about barfines. Most of them are well sponsored by wealthy patrons. The attitude sucks, the girls don't! It's got a great marketing and PR machinery, that is all.

I am not sure about the non-Asian bit though. The times I have been there I have seen only Caucasians all in the age range of 40 to 70.

[Banana Boi]

I was going to say the same thing. Sapphire actually has very few Asian clients. I assumed because it wasn't on walking Street

The Sapphire girls barfine. I've barfined 7 different sapphire girls.

No current sapphire girl I would barfine again except Kob.

[Alex7J]

I have read each and every report of yours from the BKK thread and now in the Patts thread and someone in the DXB forum has also put it there for all users to read man your reports are like 3 d reading anyone will think he is in your shoes just by reading them. I have no word to thank you and the way you are writing but its an experience of a lifetime your reports are like going to a movie hall putting your 3 d glasses and enjoy the experience, you are doing this girl from living dolls DATY and I could feel my tongue having those crazy feelings.

No word man nothing to thank you:

Just a simple salute and bow down to your style of write ups: Never ever stop mongering and writing:

Cheers,

Alex

[Uncle Volodya]

Well written and engaging report, as always, Kumbu.

Like the Thais say it's "up to you" as to how you want to spend your time in the loom with your girl.

For me fucking is very intimate and can be just as sublime as your pussy licking.

But different strokes (or lack thereof) for different folks I guess. .

I can't' wait to hear how you ended the night!

[Mumbai Guy]

Sir, you are the master of the art of narrating mongering experiences. I have read all your reports here and in BKK thread. Every word of it. And I have no hesitation in saying that I have not come across such mongering masterpieces ever before.

Take a bow sir, and keep posting.

[Blanquiceleste]

I was going to say the same thing. Sapphire actually has very few Asian clients. I assumed because it wasn't on walking Street

The Sapphire girls barfine. I've barfined 7 different sapphire girls.

No current sapphire girl I would barfine again except Kob.7 girls out of? A 100? And 1 that is worth repeating? At what costs?

Nah! Not my pint of beer.

[Kumbu]

Guys, thanks for the warm words of praise. I am immensely gratified that you appreciate the posts, especially the fact that you can see yourselves in these positions. My aim is always to provide a blow-by-blow account of my experience, in as much detail as I can remember. I'm glad that for at least some of you, this is working (reposting in the DXB forum?! That's wild).

Sadly, such write-ups take a lot of time. I have now returned to my penitentiary in the USA, and so the writing is taking just a little longer than normal. I wanted to let you know that the final two posts for Patts, and the final two posts for BKK will definitely be coming, just a little delayed. So stay tuned.

[Haven123]

I have now returned to my penitentiary in the USA........ So stay tuned.I KNEW IT!

No wonder! There was something about Mary.

😎😝🙄

[FL Hawk]

But in the end, I slowed the pace of my kissing and licking and stroking, and eventually slowed to a crawl, and then to a stop. I sat up, looked at her, eyes still closed, smile on her face, and exhaled softly.


She showered, and left without incident. I grabbed my clothes and ripped out of there soon thereafter, looking to continue this sexual bender through Pattaya.Taking home a hot woman who ends up a starfish is the worst. You are so hungry for her. You touch her, you look at her, and you can imagine so vividly how she will be. You dream of what it will be like all the way back to your hotel. But then she just lies there. Argh. Simply climbing aboard and doing her can never match the fantasy, and it seems better (at the time anyway) to simply let her go and be only disappointed once rather than twice.

You can never really predict if a girl will be great in bed or a dud. I have had a couple super enthusiastic girls who I was expecting to blow me away end up being horrible experiences, and I had some that seemed shy who turned out to be really good. One of the most beautiful Thai girls I ever had, who I seemed to really click with and who spoke decent, conversational English and who totally had me drooling, was a starfish, and remained a starfish on a second visit. You just never know.

I will say that if you find a girl early that you really connect with, or at least think you connect with, go on and go for her. Why wait? What is an extra 500 for a BF if you are super turned on to her and are connecting? That is like and extra $15! I know, I know. A 1500 BF is crazy, and I have walked out of a couple of clubs when told that was the BF, leaving behind a couple super hot girls in the process, but in looking back am I glad I saved the $15? No, given with how the rest of evenings progressed thereafter each time, I feel stupid. Sure, I saved $15 and I stood up to the club and maybe got an attaboy or two from here, but so what? I either went home alone or ended up with a far less attractive girl. When in Pattaya, you have to be very careful to pass up the girl of your dreams over just a few measly dollars, or hoping that she will be there later or you will find someone better.

On a second point, there is often a reason why some BGs dress in outfits that hide much of their bodies. If the girl is half naked, you can see what she has. Tee shirts can hide the signs of mommiehood in an otherwise near perfect body. I am about to the point where if she is not in a bikini outfit I pass, as I have been disappointed several times by sagging stomachs and sagging breasts.

Anyway, the first few days in Pattaya can be daunting. Heck, the first few trips to Pattaya can be daunting for us more timid gentlemen. Hang in there bro!

[Kumbu]

I will say that if you find a girl early that you really connect with, or at least think you connect with, go on and go for her. Why wait? What is an extra 500 for a BF if you are super turned on to her and are connecting? Yeah, I could not agree with you more, FL Hawk. Sadly, I did not do this, and I ended up losing the beauty #69 from Mandarin (see my next report). I probably should have taken her right there and then. A bird in the hand, and all that. But it all worked out for me in the end, as my next post details.

[Kumbu]

My my, hey hey.

Rock and roll is here to stay.

It's better to burn out.

Than to fade away.

My my, hey hey.

Having just finished with Whan, and not having actually ejaculated, there was the very real chance that my energy would flag, I would slow, and I would just fade away tonight. Even though the imperative to copulate is perhaps the single greatest driving force in human experience, you can't fight the biology of fatigue. We've all been there, right? Where you are horny, girls are all around, but it is nearing 4 am and you throw in the towel. Hell, I did that the previous night, and luckily found a Beach Rd girl on the way back. But in actuality, the previous night, I had basically given up at the end of the night. And that's understandable: after an entire night of trawling the oceans of Pattaya for fish, your body just can't do it, and your energy fades away. I was determined to not let that happen tonight. I was determined that I would rather burn myself to a stub than to fade away quietly tonight.

And after that experience with Whan, I was feeling remarkably good. I was full of energy, and lots of drive, but I did not feel as desperate as I thought I might. No, I was in my zen zone, feeling calm and controlled. Whatever happened in this latter part of the evening was ok by me, but I would not give up until I found satisfaction.

First stop, fried rice and Americano at the place on WS. I ate up, drank up, and trotted the 300 meters or so down to Insomnia. Goon-frisked, I went upstairs to a very different club from the previous night. There was actual space to stand, and move about, and almost extend your arms outwards. It was luxurious. It was like moving from a Manhattan apartment to a beachside condo in Malibu. Moreover, and very importantly, there were still loads of girls available. I don't think the quality or quantity diminished in any measurable sense between Saturday and Sunday. I mean, after a certain point it makes no difference, right? There is no noticeable difference between 1 zillion dollars and 2 zillion dollars.

I did my regular walk around the club, and the ladies were falling off the walls. The ratio of men to women was probably 1:2, and the quality was high as well. I noticed the occasional forty-something, and the occasional heavy girl, but generally, the quality was there. I walked around, scoping, and allowing Kumbu to be seen, and made my way back to the spot where I had seen my Surin lady last: at the front, near the toilets. But she was not to be seen. Hmm. I had my heart set on her in particular, and was really hoping she would be here. So I waited 10 minutes or so at the front, before making another round.

This time, as I walked, I made a point of looking at every female face and matching it to my memory of last night. But nothing came up. She simply wasn't there. It's true that last night she had appeared at around 2:30 am or so, and right now it was 1 am. So maybe she would arrive later. I held out hope.

In the meantime, I decided to look for a back up. I did have a back-up back-up in the form of the gogo dancer Yok (#69) from Mandarin, so I was not stressed. So I stood there, at the front, near the bar, and enjoyed the beat of the music, the beauty that was all around me. I smiled at nothing in particular, and I felt the adrenaline and energy course through my body. I was alive, surging, feeling it right now. That non-fucking interlude with Whan was terrific. It had invigorated me without draining me, and I was feeling groovy.

And I think some of that groove was showing, because all of a sudden, I felt like the antelope amidst the lionesses. My elbow was nipped from my left, and there stood two girls. The first, closer to me, was the prettier of the two. She was early thirties, prettyish face, and attractive legs. Her friend was dour, looking upset, mid-thirties, with a somewhat haggard looking face. She was very thin, too thin, and looked like she had just come out of a long breakup. She definitely did not look like someone who should be in here, and definitely not someone I would hook up with.

But her friend was eager to push her on to me. She kept engaging her friend with me, getting us to clink drinks, and trying to encourage us to get it on. "Come on you two, you know you want to!" Umm, no, actually, we don't. Neither I nor her friend had any interest, and after 10 minutes of this, the pretty girl decided that she would go for me herself. This I could stomach, but compared to Yok, or the girl from Surin, this girl was in a different class entirely. I suspect she would be cheaper, although she was dressed slightly formally, meaning she looked like she was a little conservative and expected to be treated nicely. Not really my cup of tea right now, thanks.

So after a little informal chatting, I clinked drinks once more, and indicated that I was moving on, and I just walked away. Best move of the night.

I walked over to the left side of the club, and found a nice spot near the toilets down there. There is this little niche between the DJs booth and a big speaker where a goon sits and keeps watch. There were a bunch of white dudes who had that area to themselves, but I snuck in there and just planted myself there. They did not object, and to be honest, did not even notice me. We wispy brown boys often fly under the radar, kind of like busboys at a restaurant. It was an excellent spot to watch from.

There was a smoking hot girl on the dance stage right in front of me wearing a clingy one-piece dark blue dress. It was so short I thought she was wearing shorts, but it turns out it was a dress. Yikes, that is daring. She was dancing her heart out though, and the movements she was throwing in there were pretty damned wicked. We made eye contact once, and I felt the stirrings of little Kumbu. So I worked on her for about 10 minutes, thinking that maybe we can start a chat, and then I would inquire about her terms. But 10 minutes later, a large, muscular white dude with a crew cut and suave striped button-down shirt arrives on scene, and stands right next to her. And the rest is history: the white dude got the girl. End of story there.

So it was nearly 2 am now, and I had told Yok that I would return after midnight. Mandarin closes at 3 am, so I thought I had better get over there if I am to catch Yok. So I bolted, and went straight over to Mandarin, and when I entered, there were no customers. Half the girls were at a table on my left downing shots of tequila, and the other half were on stage, clearly drunk, just dancing like it were a nightclub. What a fucking life, man. Drunk every night, whether with a man or not.

I walked in and a girl slurs to me "Iiiiii knnnowwww youuuuueeewww". Yes darling, you know me like you know those dozen tequilas you have had tonight. Then another girl says "you came here earlier today!" Then people suddenly break into action, and I am dragged by four ladies over to a seat. Fresh meat! Fresh meat everyone!

They thought I was returning because I liked Mandarin, and that I was going to spend money on LDs and BF some random woman. The benefactor with deep pockets has arrived, let's make sure he never leaves! But no, I was there for a very specific purpose. I look around and do not see her. Uh-oh, it's as I suspected, she must have been BFed already. So I grab a waitress, who was perhaps the only one there not wasted out of her mind, and I say "I'm here to see Yok, #69, we agreed I would bar fine her tonight", and slowly the craze in the bar subsides. Oh, he's here for her, not for us. Boo. Where's my tequila?

One of the girls on stage calls me over and tells me that she BFed herself at 1 am. I had told her that I would come at midnight, and she waited an hour. So she has gone back to her own room to sleep. Sorry kaa.

Oh jeez. My back-up to the back-up just fell through, leaving me empty handed once more, holding nothing but my enflamed balls. I was disappointed not to be able to run my hands over that fine, fine 22-year-old body, but I was not that dejected. The night was still young, and while the Surin lady had not turned up in Insomnia, my energy levels were high, and my patience levels were even higher. So I was feeling cool. I walked out to the very vocal objections of the drunk girls in Mandarin, but their inebriation made them too slow-witted to do anything about it. I made a bee-line back to Insomnia.

I walked straight back to the spot I had been in before, near the DJ, in that niche with the white dudes. I spied a girl at the nearby bar, facing away from me, wearing short white shorts and a tight blue top. She had a short, chic hair-do, not the typical long-hair look that Thai girls go for, and that was very refreshing. She had a couple of beers in front of her, and was wiggling her bum to the music. Her legs and ass were really impressive. Legs were a tad slender for me, but ass was ultra rumptious.

I looked shamelessly at that ass wiggle left and right, and little Kumbu began to turn in the direction of the ass. Yup, little Kumbu had found his true north. As I am ogling, she turns her face and through the corner of her eye she sees me looking. Her head looks forward again, and a moment later it snaps back to see if I am still looking. Which I was. And she smiles.

I do nothing about it. I look away, just so as not to seem too desperate. I can see in my peripheral vision the bum wiggling still, and then I see (again, without looking directly) her turn her head once more, and I make sure to be looking the other way. Can't let her think she is in control. I need to be a little cool. Seeing the deer wander off into the woods, the hunter (she, in this case) needs to do something to draw the deer back. So she turns her body slightly, to make it easier to look at me, and she starts looking at me full time. I eventually look back at her, meet her gaze, and we exchange smiles. I lift my Heineken as if to toast her, and she smiles. I notice she has a lime in her mouth, just chewing on it like it's a piece of bubble gum.

I walk over, and see that she has three Corona beers in front of her. I ask her why she is so thirsty, does she plan to get drunk right this minute? She laughs and says that my friend gave them to her. My friend? I was completely confused by this (I'm here alone), but did not give enough of a shit to ask for clarification. I asked her her name, and said nice to meet you, and then she further explains the beer situation. Turns out one of the white guys I was standing near had spun some kind of wheel and won three Corona beers. He gave all three to the prettiest girl nearby, which happened to be her. Because I was standing near him, the natural assumption was that we were all friends. I could see that.

As she was talking, I was barely listening, but I was focused more on her assets. Her legs I already knew about. Her ass was as plain as day. But her breasts were worth figuring out, and they seemed non-existent. Fine, I'm happy with that, just so long as you don't have a hideous boob job. But her face, it turns out, was more revealing at close quarters. She was significantly older than her legs, ass, hair style (remember: short and chic) or clothing would suggest. All of these suggested mid-to-late twenties (which for me is the perfect age), while her face suggested late thirties. Quite a discrepancy, and I am inclined to believe what the face tells me.

I just lost interest in this girl. What a fucking spoiled child of a monger I am, right? Super hot, lovely bum wiggle, very well adorned, excellent legs, nice attitude. But nooooo, not good enough for Mr. Picky here. Kumbu must have more. Always more. Actually, it was something in her eyes which turned me off. She seemed a little off. A little unstable. A little hyper, actually. And that worried me. No reason to take the risk, there are plenty of other wiggling bums in the barrel.

So I nodded my head to her politely and walked back to my spot. She was a little puzzled by my sudden departure, and tried to reel me in for a few more minutes with her gazes, but I carefully avoided her eyes and looked at the other offerings on display. I continued my little eye-ball flirting with various other ladies for at least another hour before I started getting propositioned by a forty something lady. Well, not quite. She was clearly in her forties, but she did not seem to be propositioning me as much as scoping me out. It was odd, it was almost as if she was sussing me out for someone else. But I had been harassed enough by the forty-something crowd to know that such things rarely end well. I tried my best to avoid making eye contact with her, but she was an expert. She positioned herself such that anytime I looked rightward, I would have to see her, and I would have to try extra hard to avoid eye contact.

After 10 minutes or so, I eventually, by mistake, made eye contact, and I noticed she was just standing there looking at me, with a soft smile on her face. She was petite, with a thin figure, had long, straight hair. She was not dressed like a FL or a crazy nightclub girl, but more like a woman dressed for a night out. She had some very kind eyes, though, which softened me up a little, and I smiled back at her. It's ok Kumbu, you can show a little humanity. It's allowed once in a while.

She returned the smile, and she slowly approached me. To my surprise, I was not distressed at all by this. She seemed genuinely non-threatening, and I was happy to interact with her. I did not see this going very far, but there was no need to be mean to this girl, I mean woman, the way I had been to the fat ugly girl from last night. She approached, and stood near me, and asked if she could sit down. Turns out she was tired. Her feet were probably swollen, her ankles must be hurting, and her back probably ached. I know, because that's how I felt. And there was a stool right next to me, so I offered it to her. She smiled, and gratefully sat down. I could sense the relief in her body as she sat down.

A few moments later, her companion arrives, and the night suddenly looked very, very interesting. The first thing I noticed about this companion girl was her eyes. Her eyes were thin, but pointing ever so slightly upwards. But they were very well spaced, and there was fire within them. She was not docile, nor was she dumb. Her eyes showed spark, interest, imagination, and desire. The eyes were also very naughty. You could tell this girl wanted to have fun, just unbridled fun. Her eyes spoke to me, and they said something about magical sex. Check.

The second thing I noticed was that she was much younger than her companion sitting next to me, perhaps in her early-to-mid twenties. Check.

Third, she had a gold piercing in her eyebrow, a crystal stud in her nose, and a fancy pin in her navel. Ah, piercings, great, this indicates a troubled background, perhaps involving abuse of some kind. Check.

Third, she had three tattoos: one was a dragon (or something) above her left breast, a second was a flock of birds behind her left ear, and the third was a tattoo of a tiger across the entirety of her exposed back. Excellent, tattoos indicate a plea for attention. Check.

Fourth, her hair was peroxide dyed, but not in the Japanese / Korean style. This indicated again, a plea for attention. Check, check.

Fifth, her hands were immaculately manicured, with really long, sexy fingernails. This indicates hygiene and attention to self. This is very important to me. Check again.

Sixth, her skin was slightly on the dark side, which is great because it indicates low self confidence. In Thailand, if you are dark skinned, you are not good enough. Check, check, check.

And finally, her limbs looked long and athletic. She was clearly a physical person, with excellent physical coordination, and this portends well for a roll in the sack together. Big, sexy, leggy check.

So all the ingredients were there for the most calculating and exploitative Mr. Kumbu: young, troubled background (willing to do nasty shit), seeking attention (willing to please, if that means attention), but very meticulous about hygiene, and super sexy body. What else could you want?

She walks up to her friend and takes a quick gander at yours truly. She smiles at me, and holds my gaze for at least 3 seconds, during which I feel a fucking buzzsaw start up in my pants. She then goes back to talking with her friend. We hang there for 5 minutes or so, until she starts looking around for a stool. There was one behind me, so I pulled it out and offered it to her, like the true gentleman I pretend to be. Some ooohs ring out from the crowd of watchers (everyone is always watching everyone in that place). One of the waitresses comes over and slaps me on the back, like I had just saved an endangered monk seal pup from the blades of a trawler or something. Chivalry, it seems, is dead here, but certainly not forgotten.

So now I have this cutie sitting right in front of me, like 2 cm away from me, and she keeps swinging herself back and forth to take a look at me. So we just have to talk, there's no way around it. I ask her her name, Mina is the response. Nice, I once banged a Mina from that gogo place directly opposite Angel Witch (search for Mina, you will find a report about that). While this clearly was not that same Mina, the name has very positive vibes for me, and so I was pleased. I told her about myself (name, from America, etc.). She says a few things in Thai to her friend, and her friend then does a wai to me, gives me a small little hand wave, and she walks off.

Hmm, this really did look like a set up now. It was almost as if this older sister brought Mina along, scoped me out for her, set her up with me, and when things looked like they might work, she took off. The little pup could now hunt for herself, and did not need the elder there to guide her anymore. And all of that was fine with me, since this pup, as it were, was turning little Kumbu inside out with anticipation.

She was wearing denim shorts and a white halter top, revealing a bare midsection. And that midsection was as tight as midsections are allowed to be. I mean, human body regulations stipulate the tightness of midsections very carefully, and Mina had just reached the limit here. Moreover, her butt looked very orbital and full, just as Kumbu prefers them. You add all of this together, and you have a winning combination.

The big white dude who had been chugging whiskey all evening right next to me suddenly gets up and starts to walk out. One of the waiters asks him incredulously where he is going, and he says very matter-of-factly 'Home. It's 3:30. It's late' and off he goes. Aha, here's my cue. I said to her 'see him? It's late, time to go. I am going back to my hotel room too. You want to come with me?

She looks at me, and I kid you not, she smiles shyly, coos, and then she brings her face into me and cuddles in my neck. It was like 'I'm so happy you picked ME!' So off we go, walking up WS at 3:30 am. As we walk, I notice how leggy she is. Her legs are long, and really very lanky. Perhaps lanky is not the right word, but both her arms and her legs were longer than you usually expect from a Thai girl. She was kind of boy-like in that respect. And she walked with a certain tom-boyishness, which I like a lot. I asked her if she was athletic, and she said she does not run, she can't swim, but she used to do muay thai until just six years ago. I asked her how old she is now, and she said 22 (yes! So she stopped muay thai at age 16, and she said it was because she could not find any other girl opponents, and no boy opponents would fight her. If they won, they get no credit for beating a girl, and imagine what would happen if they lost to a girl! So there was no upside to it for them, and so she had no opponents ever.

This was very intriguing to me. I've never done it with such a physical, athletic and yet ultra sexy Thai WG before. This was going to be good. Another thing I discovered is that she is in Pattaya because her brother owns a bar on Soi Buakhao. So she is in Pattaya to help her brother run the bar, and she does the FL work to make some money on the side. She makes a point to not do it near her brother's bar because that would just be weird. So she is truly an amateur at this, and she just likes the idea of sex with falang who will pay. She's never had a child, and has had 3 boyfriends in the past, all of whom were buttplugs. I'm paraphrasing slightly there.

We get into the hotel, and sit and chat for a while. She then goes in for a shower, and then it is my turn. When I get out, she is in her towel, sitting on the edge of the bed, clearly a little bit nervous. So I sit with her and we talk some more, holding hands. Gradually she loosens up. I forget what happened, but I cracked some kind of joke and we both bust out laughing, like rolling on the bed laughing, and suddenly we were off to the races. Hands all over each other, groping, kissing, stroking in a feverish manner. The ice had been well and truly shattered. The towel came off, and Oh. My. Fucking. Gawd.

This girl had a body, like, ka-BOW ka-BOOM! It was as if she had been custom built for picky old Kumbu here. Breasts: A-sized, so not worth discussing. Waist: tiny, fatless, and tight as can be. Hips: disproportionately wide and well rounded. Ass: large, round, globe-like, and firm as you could ever hope for. Legs: long, strong, extremely shapely with perfect proportions.

Her legs are definitely worth an honorable mention. Her thighs were strong, shapely and fatless. I mean I could feel the muscle underneath the skin, even when the muscle was not flexing. And this was true even on the back side of the thigh just below the butt, which is where many women retain much of their fat (there, plus the belly). Her thighs lead to knees that were not knobbly in the slightest. In fact, it was almost as if she had no knee cap, so elegant and smooth was the transition from thigh to shin. I spent a good hour later that night kissing her legs, and much of the time was spent around that knee, trying to understand the engineering marvel that it was. Her calves, though, were the coup de grace. They were also strong, and shapely, and thick just to the right thickness (I. E. , substantial without looking thick). They were the calves of an athlete, which means they looked really prime and impressive. The calves tapered nicely to ankles that were slender and delicate. The proportion of lower leg to upper leg was also just right. Often (especially with East Asian women), the lower leg is disproportionately short compared to the upper leg, but not her.

So I am busy kissing her shoulders and her arms, when suddenly she gets all shy. She scrambles beneath the blankets and hides there. No, no, no, my dear, this will not do. I must see you. I tried to coax her out of the blankets, but she was adamant. I kept trying, and when it did not work, I decided to join her underneath the covers. But I really wanted to see her full body, out in the open, for my personal visual edification. It would make me a better man, I would see her and other women in a better light, I would gain more respect for women (and their naked bodies when splayed before me for my own gratification). But alas, she would not budge.

So I talked to her, to once again put her at ease. It's hard work being a lecherous man, you know. We spoke about her hometown, we spoke about her childhood, and then we got to the topic of muay thai again. I told her that I both liked it and feared her that she used to do muay thai. But then I frowned a little and said, "Wait, I think you kohok (lie). I don't think you can do boxing. You just say like this so I get scared of you. " She bristled at this suggestion. Her eyes opened wide, and her teeth showed in a kind of playful snarl: it was GREAT! She insisted she knew how to do boxing and kicking. I said, ok, show me. So I stood up, butt nekkid, little Kumbu half erect and bobbing left to right, and I adopted a boxing stance, egging her on. She slapped her hand onto her face and laughed and laughed at the sight of hairy, naked, semi-erect Kumbu feigning a fighting stance. I'm no fighter, and that is obvious, which only added to the hilarity of the situation. I must have been so transparent. I stood on the bed over her, little Kumbu hanging right down towards her, daring her to smack this dick right down.

She took the bait. She stood up, and adopted a sparring stance, naked. I put my arms up to defend myself, and she came at me. She came with a left, which I did not expect, but she soft-balled me to begin with, so I easily parried her blow. But that was the decoy, because without me knowing it, she expertly swept my legs out beneath me, and I fell flat on my ass on the bed, little Kumbu whacking my belly, then the bed, then my thigh. Ouch. She laughed, and I smiled, and enjoyed the scene of her naked body standing above me, in full view. I don't know about you, but I've never enjoyed such an experience with a Thai WG. They tend to be more formal when we get back to the hotel. That's a strange word to use, but I mean it in the strictest sense. Thai WG usually follow the prescribed form for when one gets back to the hotel: shower, slowly warm up, please the man, shower, take money and leave. But this girl was willing to break that mould and indulge in some rather personalized actions. I love it.

Here, now, lying naked at her feet, I was able to fully assess the extent of this girl's physical prowess. Her breasts were, granted, very small. But other than that, we had the archetypal Kumbu physique. Her waist was slender and tight, her hips were wide, her ass was bulging with firm, global flesh, and her legs were long, strong, proportional and very curvy. What struck me, though, was how lanky her limbs were. She really had long arms and legs, which is unusual in Thai WGs. I could totally see how she would do muay thai, and moreover, I could see in the way she moved how naturally athletic she was. She moved with a certain ease, a grace that most Thai WGs do not possess, and I am certain in a foot race between me and her, she would be the victor, as would she in a fist fight. But in a fuck fight, well, she may have met her match. Let's see, shall we?

I stood up, ready to concede the fight, but as I stood up, she took the fighting stance again. This little rascal was enjoying whooping my ass! Ok, let's do it sister, and this time I won't hold back. So I took a half step back, bent my knees, put my fists up, and got ready for whatever expert boxing move she had. We slowly, cautiously circled each other on that king sized bed, no one willing to make the first move. Finally, she took a little playful jab with an open hand toward my protecting hands and I slapped it away with my opposing hand. She did it again, and I slapped it away again. She tried with the other hand, and I slapped it away with the corresponding opposing hand. I then lashed out gently in a similar fashion and suddenly she round-house kicked me right on the side of the head. Whack!

As I was falling, I was (1) horribly humiliated, (2) very angry at her, (3) in great pain on the side of my head, and (4) as fucking turned on as I can ever remember! All I saw was the sight of her crotch as her leg came up to whack me upside my head. Yummy. The blow to the head obviously knocked me off balance, and I landed on the bouncy bed. But with my right arm, I pulled her planted foot out from under her, and she fell to the bed too, both of us bouncing on that bed, nearly breaking it. We laughed and laughed, and after that, the shyness was all done.

She apologized for whacking me so hard, and so she cuddled with me a little, holding my head to her breasts. I played along for 23.5 seconds or so before it became a sexual thing and I started kissing her breasts. I kissed and kissed all over, moving myself onto her and squashing as much breast flesh as I could find together into my hands. I would squash it all together and then try to suck as much of it as I could in one go. She enjoyed that, as did I. I then moved down to her washboard abs, kissing and stroking and enjoying the pleasure of a fit midsection. I kissed the piercing she had in her navel, and I wanted to suckle it a little, but I quickly realized the folly of that plan.

So I moved on down to the real deal. In previous posts, I have provided great detail of how I went about the DATY. But to save Jackson some bandwidth, let me just stipulate that I used many of the same tricks as before, but this time I was not allowed near her asshole. She was very wary of that, and I could only guess why. But that's ok with me. There are plenty of other treats available here.

Her pussy was also very clean, with no odor besides the very warm, natural odor of the woman herself. She too had a smaller than normal clit (what is it with small-clit Thai women? And I had to pull the same technique as I did with my Diamond from BKK a few nights earlier. And it worked like magic. She was getting hotter and hotter, and moaning louder and louder. It took a good 30 minutes, but in the end, she finally did climax, and it was very obvious too. When done, she grabbed me by my hair and yanked me off her, tossed me to the side like the piece of garbage that I am and whimpered just a little.

Poor thing was over-sensitive, and needed to be left untouched for a few moments. She was breathing heavily, and she was hiding her face, and whimpering. I remained silent, keeping my distance, partly because I know what it is like to be over-sensitive after orgasm, and partly because I feared if I got too close, she would clean my clock with a single blow to the temple. A few moments passed, perhaps 60 seconds, and she looked up at me and smiled sheepishly. She whispered something about how I was not supposed to be able to do that, and then she whimpered a little more. I got the feeling that she had not orgasmed for quite a while. A good, well-practised DATY expert like Kumbu is often the liniment for that particular ailment.

We stayed in that position for a further 2-3 minutes, while little Kumbu began to fade. Hmm, I was not feeling that need to avoid sullying the memory of this DATY without sex, like I had with Whan earlier that night and Diamond in BKK a week earlier. No, I wanted to fuck this girl, and I wanted to fuck her hard. It might have had something to do with the fact that she round-house kicked me in my head, or perhaps it was that I had been erect and oozing precum for 5 of the last 8 hours (2 hours with Whan, with no ejaculation, and 3 hours with this girl). Whatever the reason, little Kumbu was on the express bus to pussy town, one way or another.

But she was feeling really sensitive, and she did not want to be touched. So I decided to keep myself active by gently jerking myself off. Well, jerking myself *off* implies to ejaculation, doesn't it? That is not what I was doing. I was just stimulating little Kumbu to try to maintain the stiffy, to keep the juices flowing while she recovers, and then we can go at it in good faith.

She sees me doing this and she moans. The moan was not 'oh man, he wants to have sex,' it was 'oh man, I have failed him in that he has to pleasure himself when I am unable to do it myself. ' So she slaps my hand away from little Kumbu indignantly, as if I had intruded on her turf. She grabs the little guy by the scruff of the dick and sticks him gruffly into her mouth. Now, I tell you, that takes some level of commitment. I've always wondered how women are able to just stick a dick into their mouths. If I were a woman, I would be the kind that we here on ISG all despise: the kind that refuses to offer BBBJ. It seems like a nasty business, but in this case in particular. You see, little Kumbu had been precumming for hours, and there were gobs and gobs of the stuff all over him, and being released in streams all the time. And she just stuck him in her mouth and sucked away, very happily. Impressive.

Her technique was not that great. Actually, let's be frank here, it was pretty bad. She was somehow stretching the base of little Kumbu, causing pain there, and teeth kept getting jammed into the head, causing pain there. But occasionally, in between those pangs of pain, she got some good rhythm going and it was actually pleasurable. The way I thought of this was it was just a way to maintain a stiffy while her pussy regains its ability to be pounded, so it does not matter how good she is. Once in a while, I would offer her encouragement (when she was in her rhythm), and when things got painful, I would gently ease her away from those actions. Yes, Ajan Kumbu is always thinking about imparting wisdom to the next generation.

I let this go on just as long as I could, until I sensed that she was ready to go at it. I figured this out because she came closer to me and let me stroke her ass and her legs again: a surefire sign that her sensitivity has subsided. But suddenly I had her ass available to me to grope rather freely, so rather than end the BBBJ and move on to the sex, I thought I would indulge in some ass groping for a while. And oh boy what a great decision. Her cheeks were full, firm, round and gorgeous. The skin was not quite as smooth as I would have liked, but it was definitely a Grade A ass.

But the interesting thing was her butt hole itself. I'm not sure how to describe this, but let me try. If you imagine looking at a woman's ass as she stands naked, facing away from you. Mmmmm, yummy. . . Ok, focus Kumbu. Right, imagine her two butt cheeks, and imagine the spot that is the apex of the curvature on each ass cheek. This is the spot that is the most distant from the center of her body, that protrudes the furthest. Ok, got it? Now, imagine that you are a tiny, horny little man, the size of a small coin, and your job is to find your way into her warm, aromatic asshole. You are standing at the peak of her butt, so what path would you take into her asshole? Well, you would simply turn inwards, and take the most delightful carnival slide down the slope of that cheek into the abyss below, right? You're all with me? We've all had that fantasy, right? It can't have been just me.

Well, with her, that carnival slide took a very precipitous route. It wasn't like a gentle, even slope into the butthole, no, somehow there was a full--on canal between the outside of her ass cheeks and into the actual surface of the butthole. So her ass cheeks closed off in the middle, and there was a well defined canal that was a good 2 inches in length that eventually lead to her asshole. Usually, when you grab an ass, you can finger the asshole right there. But her asshole was hidden down this 2-inch well, the well of assholes, so to speak. It was unusual, a physical characteristic that I have never seen before. She was a little wary of this, and as she realized that I was discovering her little oddity, she pulled her ass away from me.

So she then drops little Kumbu from her mouth. I find the Trojan, and so it began.

Her pussy was still very wet, and despite the dryness of my unlubricated Trojan, I had no issue with entrance. Little Kumbu's head slipped right in, perhaps a little too fast, so I pulled back a little. I don't like to go straight into the full-on fucking right away, preferring to warm up to it. I inserted the head a little and just sat there for a moment, on my knees, partially inserted in this beautiful, athletic young woman. She was on her back, knees bent and closed tightly against my shoulders, back arched in tension, and mouth open in a silent scream. I held that position, moved my head (the one on my shoulders) around a little until I had just the right vantage point, and took a mental picture of that image. Mmmm, scrumptious.

So little Kumbu was just barely inside of her. I looked down and saw her lips fold outwards, and the bulge of the head forcing open her vagina. Rather than push my way in, I just undulated my hips a little, thereby rotating little Kumbu ever so slightly. This had the effect of pushing open her vagina in all directions. It was like if you have a straw in a glass of lemonade and you want to stir it, you stir the straw, keeping it straight, but turning it with your hand in this small concentric circles. That's what I was doing: stirring her pussy with my little Kumbu straw.

She murmured, not sure if out of pleasure or confusion, but it did not matter. The stirring lasted 20-30 seconds only before I stopped and pulled the head out, just to the surface of her pussy. I then started fresh, inserting little Kumbu's head in, just the head, and holding in that position. There was pressure ahead, meaning her pussy had been opened up with the stirring, but only the opening section. Inside, the flesh was all compacted and pressure packed, like a fresh, maiden snow pack awaiting the ice breaker that is little Kumbu. I raised myself off my knees and assumed the regular missionary position, her knees firmly against my hips, and her feet tied behind me around my ass.

I did a very short stroke into her, like 1 inch or so, held it, then pulled back. Then repeated this. And again. A total of 7 times, and on the 8th stroke, I inserted little Kumbu 3 inches. She gasped. But then I pulled back to the 1-inch cycle, and did 7 repetitions of this 1-inch insertion, and on the 8th repetition, I went 3 inches in. Again, she gasped. I repeated this whole thing (7 x 1-inch, followed by 3-inch) something like 3-4 more cycles, before I changed it up.

Now I moved to a slight variation of this. My short insertion was 2-inches, and my long insertion was 5 inches, and I did this whole cycle something like 5-6 times. And then I moved on to my third and final set, where the short insertion was still 2-inches, but the full one was the length of little Kumbu. I did this once, and she winced in pain. Little Kumbu is somewhat of a misnomer, since his length sometimes does penetrate too deep within Thai women. So despite this girl's strength and athleticism, she could not handle the full Kumbu. Just as an aside, Diamond, the girl I was banging back in BKK, could handle the full Kumbu. That's one of the advantages to picking tall girls.

So I decided to switch things up. Rather than working on the length dimension, I decided to play around with the angles. I imagined little Kumbu was a submariner, you know, one of those guys that does underwater diving with a dive helmet. Google the words "dive helmet" and you will see what I mean. So this intrepid explorer, with his bulbous head, is interested in discovering all the different caves, canals, channels and crevices within this beautiful woman's vagina. My goal, therefore, was to rub little Kumbu along every internal surface of this girl, to see what works for her and what does not.

This means that I now switched from your traditional pumping motion, to a more exploratory motion, involving just some gentle shifting in weight and direction. She was a little puzzled by this, but I ignored her puzzlement. I was entirely fixated on the senses coming to me from little Kumbu, trying to understand the topography of the inner sanctum of this lovely lady. I lifted my body high, using the entrance to her vagina as a fulcrum for little Kumbu, which meant that the head was pointed low into her vagina. I explored the floor of her vagina, moving in and out, left to right. I found in the end that I still needed to pump in and out, just to keep her interested, but also to maintain a systematic method to exploring the landscape. In the end, I found nothing of any note, there, actually.

I repeated this for the left wall, and then the right wall. All of this was fun, and it took up 3-4 minutes of coital bliss, but then I lowered my body, thereby pointing little Kumbu upwards, and started exploring the roof of the vagina. This is where she really came alive, to my surprise. So my body was low, balls rubbing against the bed, her vagina acted as the fulcrum, thereby lifting the head of little Kumbu high against the roof of the vagina, and the top of little Kumbu was therefore pressing up against the inside of her belly. And I probed left and right until up in the right corner of the vagina, I got a sudden and very hot response from her. She gasped and arched her back suddenly. I was not sure if it was pain or pleasure, so I stopped, and her fingers dug into my back, urging me on. Aha, so you likey?

I had found a pleasure center for her. G-spot, I don't think so, at least not according to most descriptions of where this is. But it is not surprising that different girls have pleasure centers in different parts of their vaginas. So I had found one which was working for her, and so I forged ahead. My role had switched from intrepid explorer to an agricultural settler. My job was now to till this most fertile of land into something productive: an orgasmic crop of epic proportions.

I was tiring at this point, and little Kumbu wanted some kind of reward for his multiple-hour effort, going all the way back to his patience with Whan, earlier in the evening. I understand little fella. Thanks for your patience, and I will most definitely make sure you get yours, ok? But she was urging me on, digging her fingernails into my back and into my upper arms, her legs wrapped around my ass, helping me pump, regulating the speed, ensuring that I don't slow down. Ay, the end was nigh.

As I approached the final reckoning, I went for broke. No more of this tactical stroking, no more 'let's explore' bullshit. Now it was fucking time, hard core. I wriggled my ass free from the leg-vice grip she had me in and unfurled my wings. Little Kumbu revved up for this final lap, and off we went. I pulled out almost entirely, then plunged in 80% of the way (I could not go in 100% because it would hurt her), and then back out. This was as close to a full stroke as I could get, and I did it to my own rhythm. This was Kumbu pleasuring Kumbu, something I think I deserved at this point. The feeling of just fully fucking this girl, right down into her core, was so satisfying, so fulfilling, it produced a moment of clarity, a singularity of consciousness, that turned my mind inside out. Everything was glowing, everything was radiating heat, everything was energy, there was nothing that was unworthy of praise, and the world was a good place. In and out, in and out, pulled all the way out, and plunged deep, deep into this woman, ah yes, this is the essence of male sexual expression.

The expression gained in intensity, and little Kumbu went from making a low-level murmur to mid-level pitch, raising the tessitura in the process. But a few moments later, the tessitura raised once more, slowly winding up, raising to the unmistakable crescendo that we all know and recognize. And as we approached, little Kumbu was now in a full-throated countertenor, releasing all energy and all emotion into the action of fucking. As I tipped over that summit and began the sudden descent into freefall, my body joined the chorus, with all my muscles straining to participate. It was a full-body orgasm, an orchestral supernova, searing in intensity and utterly, utterly satisfying.

I crashed down onto her, both of us sweaty and panting, and she held my head to her breast as she muttered incoherently in the Isaan language.

I don't remember what happened after that. I think I fell asleep, little Kumbu still inside her, condom on, pussy juice all over my face still. I awoke later that morning sleeping next to her, all cleaned up somehow. The details of the ensuing morning fuck will come in my next post. But I close this post simply by saying that all the hunting, digging, walking, and negotiating was all worth it in the end. This was an experience for the ages, and one that I will cherish. The fact that I blacked out afterwards tells you about the intensity of both the lead up to the act, but also the act itself. Yes, the addiction has been well and truly fed, thereby ensuring that the Chronicles of Kumbu will most certainly continue for years to come.

[Haven123]

Now, that was incredible! I really think you ought you try writing hard core romance and sex novels about your worldwide adventures. Use a pseudonym, if your penitentiary warden won't allow you to use your real name! I am being serious now! You really are a talented dude, and an awesome writer to boot!

And, I am so happy that you ended up with the best of happy endings! I just wish I were at Insomnia tonight! Alas, I gotta wait for about 6 months.

Thanks again dude! May the force be with you. Hang on. No! Since you are probably a Vulcan or some other alien life form I will just 🖖 🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖

[Uncle Volodya]

Oh Kumbu the great!

WOW! What can I say?! This is perhaps the best report you have ever written. Your "Old Man and the Sea"! Beautiful beautiful prose. I will be reading and rereading this shot story for years to come.

In many cities around the world they have bronze status for the great writers. We should figure out a way to honor you in the same spirit here on ISG. You are a treasure of our mongering nation.

A couple of inital comments as I digest and dissect this epic tome:


I just lost interest in this girl. What a fucking spoiled child of a monger I am, right? Super hot, lovely bum wiggle, very well adorned, excellent legs, nice attitude. But nooooo, not good enough for Mr. Picky here. Kumbu must have more. Always more.I know what you mean. Isn't it funny how quickly we can get so picky? The girls we brush aside here we'd be daydreaming about if we met them back home. Sometimes this pickiness can hurt us. But this night you were rewarded by an experience of a lifetime. So I guess it may payoff in the long run.


Now, imagine that you are a tiny, horny little man, the size of a small coin, and your job is to find your way into her warm, aromatic asshole. You are standing at the peak of her butt, so what path would you take into her asshole? Well, you would simply turn inwards, and take the most delightful carnival slide down the slope of that cheek into the abyss below, right? You're all with me? We've all had that fantasy, right? It can't have been just me.]WTF?! How do you come up with this stuff? You had me in tears with this one, my friend. I will never look at a girls' buthole again without imagining I am a "horny little man the size of a small coin". . 555!

[Naked Gunz]

I think I fell asleepI know I did after the first sentence. This shit is why posts should be limited for no talent(wanna-b) romance novelists! How about practicing your fifty-shades on pen and paper!

[Banana Boi]

Finally back in Pattaya after 2. 5 months. Extremely jet lagged trying to regain energy for WS tonight. I did manage a quick stroll down Soi 6 this afternoon. More girls than expected during slow season. nothing special I needed to squeeze in before seeing my regular girl. Spoke with a few who confirmed business is slow. Met up with my favorite soi 6 girl only to find out she got fakes while I was away. My search begins for a replacement. I'm sure it won't be hard.

[Uncle Volodya]

I know I did after the first sentence. This shit is why posts should be limited for no talent(wanna-b) romance novelists! How about practicing your fifty-shades on pen and paper!If you don't like his posts and feel like they clutter up your screen why don't you just hit the ignore option? You will never see them again.

There are plenty of other members (me included) who really enjoy reading them.

[Gncmn]

Hi,

I am new in Thailand pages and I am not familiar with the terminology.

Could someone explain me these 3 words please, thanks.

ST = short time (1 pop)??

LT = long time (2 pop)?

BF?

EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: There is a link labeled "Abbreviations" in the menu bar at the top of this page. This will take you to the Forum's Glossary where you will find a chart with most of the Terms & Abbreviations used in the Forum. Thanks!

[Striker2]

No One is forcing you to read his posts I find them not only entertaining but helpful for a monger to Thailan.

[Blanquiceleste]

There are plenty of other members (me included) who really enjoy reading them.I love reading Kumbu's posts for the intricate detail. This is sheer talent, gifted almost. I enjoy it thoroughly, albeit the time it consumes. Most entertaining.


No One is forcing you to read his posts I find them not only entertaining but helpful for a monger to Thailan.But, IMHO, informative it is not. There is little fresh intelligence added, by way of the post, to the thread. Come to think of it, the thread has been so dry for fresh information, that these long posts start looking informative.

[FunExplorer]

Hi,

I am new in Thailand pages and I am not familiar with the terminology.

Could someone explain me these 3 words please, thanks.

ST = short time (1 pop)??

LT = long time (2 pop)?

BF?

EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: There is a link labeled "Abbreviations" in the menu bar at the top of this page. This will take you to the Forum's Glossary where you will find a chart with most of the Terms & Abbreviations used in the Forum. Thanks!As you have put it yourself ST means short time and is understood for one pop. While LT is long time, meaning more than one pop. Could be two or more but usually two. It all depends upon what you negotiate with the girl. When girl stays overnight with you, it could be more than two pops if she allows it or you have explicitly discussed earlier. BF denotes bar fine which is the amount you pay at the bar or go go club to take the girl out of the place.

[Wolvenvacht]

Hi,

I am new in Thailand pages and I am not familiar with the terminology.

Could someone explain me these 3 words please, thanks.

ST = short time (1 pop)??Maximum two hours or one pop, whichever comes first. However, as everything in Thailand, it is open for negotiations and I had some ST with two pops.


LT = long time (2 pop)?Generally this is for an overnight session. Usually two pops before going to sleep and one more to take care of the morning wood. It is advisable to make certain when she wants to go home. Some girls define "morning" as something like 5 AM and they want to be out of your room by 6 AM!


BF?Barfine. The money paid to the bar or club to allow you to take her out of the bar. In some countries this is called "early work release". The rationale is that you indemnify the bar for the wages they pay her and the missing income she brings to the bar by convincing patrons to buy drinks. In reality it is just the cut the bar takes for her services. Can be as low as 300 baht for a Soi 6 girl or as high as 1500 baht or more for some agogo dancers. Generally it is non negotiable. Funny enough it is the same price for ST or LT. I once even had to pay it for a girl on her day off. Yes, this is Thailand where ordinary logic does not apply.

[Sukhumvit11]

What a great story man.

I have seen a lot of report here, but this one is unique.

Thanks for sharing.

Keep on rocking!

[Uncle Volodya]

But, IMHO, informative it is not. There is little fresh intelligence added, by way of the post, to the thread. Come to think of it, the thread has been so dry for fresh information, that these long posts start looking informative.I am glad all of us are sticking up for our friend. I really enjoy his posts and this site would be worse off without them.

As for his posts being informative, it is still, it's good to get some impressions on the zeitgest from a reliable source. Also he does give some more specific info about girls he encountered their Gogo#s, prices and his experience with them.

In all fairness, how much really is there more for us to know about Patts?? 555. We've really covered this subject ad nauseum. BR, WS, Ibar, Soi 6, LK Metro, Soapies, Beer Bar areas, Soi Bukhao, have all been raked over the coals.

I guess an IDEAL new posts (as for as info goes) would deal with some new mongering area we don't know about or give us specifics on girls with their pics.

[Kumbu]

Thanks friends, for those of you who enjoy my reports and see the value in them. I appreciate it a great deal. I would also say that you should ignore the trolls: they always come out at some point. If you look back at my posting history, you will see occasional flame wars, often provoked by my style of writing (which is why I precede all my visits to LOS with a general disclaimer to hit the Ignore link if you dislike my posts). I have, unfortunately, responded to the negative comments sometimes, like the following post, which I very much regret:


I really think we all need to change the tone of this forum. Why are we ripping people down all the time? Why can't we just be slightly nicer people and encourage reports of all kinds? We can then correct any inaccuracies, and let everything else fly. So the fuck what if there was no name in the report? There is plenty of other info in there. So the fuck what if he paid slightly over the going rate? Point it out in a respectful manner and move on. So the fuck what if he boned the fat girl and not the skinny one? Just let it go. You don't actually *have* to make a snarky comment about each and every thing posted here.So now, I ignore my detractors, and just post my field reports. Speaking of which, here is the next report, in which I describe the morning-after with Mina, the athletic boxing girl from Insomnia. There is nothing spectacular here, just some deep throating, me revealing how physically weak I am, some quick sex, and that's about it. But it completes my experience in Pattaya, which is why I post it nonetheless.

* * * * * * * *.

I awoke with her face beneath the blankets, resting on my belly. She had little Kumbu in her hand, gently clasping it, and she had little Kumbu resting right on her face. She was fast asleep, but she was sleeping with little Kumbu, shriveled and turtled, over her nose and her eyes. It was as if she was nuzzling with little Kumbu just before she fell asleep. Odd, to say the least.

She was asleep, resting peacefully beneath little Kumbu, after a night of sparring and fucking. What a night. I've never experienced such abandon with a Thai WG. They tend to be very friendly and social, but never do they break the mould of social decorum the way this girl did. I mean, it would be one thing if she pretend-sparred with me, humored me a little, took a couple of jabs and pokes, and then moved on to the more scripted sex. But that's not what she did. She humored me for 30 seconds or so, but then just took a sledge hammer to my ego. She did not hold back, which is the surprising thing. I then proceeded to fuck her really hard, and I did not hold back either, so I suppose we are even.

I had pussy juice stuck all over my face, and I could feel it still. Not a good idea. After immersing yourself in human liquid, it's a good idea to wash off before sleeping. Bacteria love such things, and I fear the worst at this point. I want to wake up and scrub my face, but I am so damned sleepy still. I see on the clock that it is 8:20 am, so I still have some time before I have to leave for BKK. She knows I am leaving for BKK, and so she knows I will have to wake her early.

I set my timer to wake us in one hour, and fall back asleep. When the alarm goes off, I wake up, pull her head from beneath little Kumbu, drag myself out of bed and go take a shower. I wash myself well, especially my face, and when I get out, I am feeling much better. I see she is stirring, and I sit next to her and caress her cheek. She moans, looks up at me, and cracks a smile. Not saying a word, she gets up, kisses me on the cheek, and goes off to shower. She comes out 5 minutes later and is expressionless.

She sits next to me, and suddenly I feel a stirring. She's wearing a towel only, and when she sits down, the towel comes up to the middle of her thighs. That is one of the most lovely sights in human existence: freshly washed thighs. Mmmmm. Moreover, the way she was holding them (closed, slightly angled towards me, her feet on tippy-toes) somehow added to their luster, and little Kumbu was suddenly making some serious demands of me. She was on my left, with my left hand in hers, but my right hand was free, so I gently reached over and placed it on the inside of her right knee. Oooooh.

I was not sure she was interested in another round at this point. We'the really only recently finished our last round, and slept just a few hours, but hey, I was game, so maybe she was too. I put my hand on her knee and watched intently to gauge her reaction. My breathing stopped as I watched, so intensely was I hoping for a positive reaction. In fact, no reaction came at first. She just sat there, motionless, neither acknowledging my hand, nor trying to remove it. I think she was trying to figure out what she wanted to do. Eventually she puts her other hand ontop of mine, and rubs the top ever so slightly, as if to say, 'go for it champ'. So champ went for it.

So I slipped my hand further up her thigh, and just felt the warm, buttery flesh right there on the inside of her mid-thigh. Oh my. That flesh was both soft and firm at the same time. I mean, it was firm as a whole, but the skin itself was supremely soft, softer than anything on my entire body. I ran my hand up and down the inside of her thigh, and slowly we started to kiss. I usually don't like kissing. It is far too intimate an act, and one that feels forced, contrived, untrue. Yes, this whole thing (girl from Insomnia pickup thing) in a way is one big charade, a farce of sorts, and so what difference does the intimacy of a kiss make? But it does, for some reason. I think it is because of the hesitancy on the part of Thai WGs to kiss. I don't know this for sure (I'm no anthropologist), but I suspect the Thai culture is less of a kissing culture than say, the French culture. I suspect Thai people express their intimacy in different ways, kissing being one of them, but my guess is that there are plenty of other tools for the expression of intimacy. As such, if kissing is not the most natural expression of intimacy, when a Thai WG does engage in kissing, it feels awkward to me. Usually.

In this case, though, it did not. We kissed for a good five minutes, with not very much tongue, as I fondled her inner thigh gently with my right hand. I eventually got impatient and moved my kissing to under her ear, and this turned her on significantly. The towel began to loosen under her arm, and so I gently tugged it free, to reveal her oh-so-awesomely tight and fit torso again. This time, though, the sun was out, and I could see it in proper lighting. And this torso was just spectacular. Perfect skin, perfect tone, perfect musculature, and zero fat. I ran both my hands up and down her torso, from just beneath her breasts down to her hips, and back up again. I did this slowly, over and over again, as I continued to nuzzle and kiss her behind her ear, her neck, her jawline, and occasionally her lips.

The towel was now off completely, and her entire body was fully exposed. I moved my kissing downwards. I kissed her breasts just pro forma, and then went down to her tightest, sexiest of bellies. I then moved down her hips, by passing the pussy, and down to her upper thighs. She was lying down now on the bed, so I lifted one leg up into the air and kissed all around the thigh. I circled the thigh slowly, moving slowly towards the knee, kissing all the way around the leg as I moved knee-ward. Once I got to the knee, I once again marveled at the utter lack of a visible knee cap. These legs were amazing in that the thigh just melted into the shin somehow, without the breaking-up of the leg by the knee cap. Amazing, simply amazing.

I kissed that capless knee for a good 10 minutes, slowly moving millimeter by millimeter, trying to commit to memory every crevice, every runnel, every fissure in the skin. It was glorious leg worship, in the glorious morning sunshine of the glorious City of Pattaya. As I kissed the back of her knee, one of the most supremely erotic parts of the female body for me, I became aware of the glory of this moment, and I paused for a moment, inhaled deeply to take in the scent of this woman, looked at her legs, and sighed to myself.

I worked my way down to her calves, whose shape I knew from last night was the thing of wet dreams. I most thoroughly enjoyed munching on her tender yet firm calves, although it must be said that there were numerous scars on her calves (later, I learned, these are attributed to myriad motorcycle accidents). After getting down to her ankles, I moved over to the other leg, and made the reverse peregrination back up towards her pubic mount. Along the way, I dilly dallied around the knee again, just because of the unique pleasure that was her capless knee.

When I got passed her knee, I found my face enmeshed in her soft, silky thigh flesh. I started to suck up that flesh, to just grab it with both hands and to try to stuff it into my greedy mouth. I was feeling so utterly gluttonous, so rapacious; I was just grabbing all the flesh I could and cramming it into my hands and mouth trying to almost inhale and ingest everything. I was possessed by the thigh, and had lost all control over myself. It was the most mad scene of leg worship I have ever engaged in, and it was just simply superb.

I guess this was tickling her, or perhaps hurting her, because she giggled and pulled me up after about only 20 seconds of this. I wanted more, so I went back to it, but she pulled me back up after another 20 seconds, after which I took the hint. She sat up, and then she did something unusual. She stood up, and pulled me up into a standing position. Little Kumbu slapped her hip mazily.

She stood in front of me, smiling, naked, and then she leaned in, stretched her body a little and kissed my neck. She kissed downward, past the thicket of chest hair, down past the navel and down to the thoroughly tumefied little Kumbu, who was now pointing to 2 o'clock, purple as a sweet potato, and dripping wet with precum. I stood there, she on her knees, as she impaled herself right onto little Kumbu. She did not suck, her lips did not touch little Kumbu, but she deep-throated the little guy all the way back into her throat. I felt the head bump against the back of the throat, and she paused there, but then she pushed him back a little more, and I *think* I heard her gag a little. But she held it for a moment, and then slowly closed her lips around the base of little Kumbu. And she held that posture.

And held it.

And held it.

She did not move. She was not breathing either. It was surreal. With the morning sunshine washing in from the window across her ass, I stood there, arms akimbo, as this beautiful 22 year old Thai WG, former boxer, held her mouth tight around my genitals, enclosing the entirety of my manhood within her mouth, for a good 20 seconds.

Finally, FINALLY, she pulled back a little and released the air from her lungs and gasped in through her nostrils, as she slow sucked her way back up the shaft. When she got to the head, we both knew a BBBJ was probably not the best idea, so she pulled out, I grabbed a condom, and slapped it on, and she then hopped into my arms.

Ooof. I'm not as strong as I used to be, fellas. Hell, who am I kidding, I probably was never strong enough. But I gave it my damndest to try to insert little Kumbu into her vagina while holding her in my arms. My motivation was the thought of fucking her while standing up, holding her in my arms. This seemed like a really good, PSE type idea. But after fumbling around with my hands, almost dropping her twice, little Kumbu getting squashed between my hip and her left ass cheek, and a near-rip of the condom, I decided this was not the best idea after all.

So I put her down on the day bed (picture in my post about Whan), turned her around so she was on all fours, with me standing behind her, and in goes little Kumbu. There was no earth-shattering experience this time, just some really good doggie style fucking. I was able to get a really good view of the tunnel that is her asshole, and it was weird indeed, though not abnormal per se. Anyway, the sex lasted perhaps 3-4 minutes, just straight in and out business with the aim of getting to ejaculation ASAP. And after those 3-4 minutes, I orgasmed, and I believe I was the only one to have that pleasure. Sorry, Mina.

I showered first, and while she was showering, I needed to pack up my stuff and check out. It was nearly 11:30 am, and check out time was noon. I also needed to get back to BKK in a hurry. So as I pack, she comes out, and I tell / remind her that I need to go back to BKK, and she starts saying something in a mournful voice, something I did not understand at first. Then after the third or fourth iteration of it, I figured out what she was saying (forgive my transcription): ppay duuuey! Meaning (I think), 'I want to go too!

For one, very brief moment of utter insanity, I considered taking her along with me. I mean, the sex had been great, there was a lot more exploration of this fabulous athlete's body to be done, and she was not particularly needy, as far as I could tell. But then, luckily, sense prevailed. I've done this four times in the past ten years: take a Pattaya girl (FL girl or gogo girl) back to BKK with me. All four have been great sex-wise, but they have ended up being more melodramatic than anything else. This is the first step towards a heavier relationship, and in the past I was into that. But now, I was in no mood for any strings. I was here for the reckless abandon of anonymous, paid sex, and did not want any kind of prolonged relationship.

So I deflected at first. Then when it came up again (ppay duuey), I looked forlongingly at her, and then changed subject. But the third time it came up, I had to deal with it head on. I told her that she could not, because I worked in BKK, and that I was going back to America soon. She looked down, grit her teeth slightly, and nodded.

So she dressed, and when it was time for her to leave, I walked her to the door, held her tight for a few moments, kissed her on the forehead, and said good bye. She walked out, and walked down the long hallway towards the elevator. I peeked my head out to take a look at her, and rather than feel longing or affection for her, as a normal, caring human being would, all I could do was look at her legs, and her ass as it swayed left and right. Cold-hearted of me, indeed, but there is the unvarnished truth of it.

By the way, I paid her 2500 baht (slipped into her purse while she was showering, she did not even ask for it or look for it).

So in sum, this girl was super. She offered me unrestricted sex, very free and wild, along with some physical abuse (meted out by her to me) to go along with it. She never asked me for any amount of money, nor did I intimate that she would receive money. It was all understood that if she took care of me, I would take care of her. And I believe the deal was honored, on both ends. And in fact, she said as much in a text message later that day.

Often, on the bus or in the taxi back to BKK after a jaunt in Pattaya, I feel a sense of regret at leaving Pattaya. I feel there is so much more to gain in Pattaya and I am leaving all too soon. But this time, even though it had only been two days, and one of them was something of a failure, I left feeling very content and satisfied.

I do believe that Pattaya has changed in the last few years. Prices have gone up (but so have they gone up everywhere else in the world), and the gogo hustle has become much more intense. But the Insomnia girls are amazingly good. There is so much on offer there, with so many different price points, that anyone can find their mate for the night there. So I am not pessimistic about Pattaya at all. To newbies, if reading some of the doom and gloom reports here on ISG is giving you second thoughts, then put those second thoughts aside. Go to Pattaya. If you have patience, a good attitude and a little bit of cash, you will definitely find a sexual experience worthy of your wet dreams there.

Now on to my last one and a half days in BKK. . .

[Franciscass]

I know I did after the first sentence. This shit is why posts should be limited for no talent(wanna-b) romance novelists! How about practicing your fifty-shades on pen and paper!There are a lot of the. H. Lawrence wannabes on ISG but anybody who has issues with Kumbu's posts is just simply jealous of his adventures, his highly entertaining writing style or most likely both. So refreshing to read instead of the repetitive drivel about fake noses and what my girlfriend likes. So Kumbu don't be put off, keep posting.

[Allover]

I discovered I-Bar / Insomnia on my last trip but didn't spend much time there. Kumbu's recent post (about 2-3 Kumbu posts ago) about Insomnia was informative and provided insight to me about how Insomnia works and how to check out the scene. And as usual, the report was very entertaining.

As has been stated here many times--hit the ignore button to make these posts disappear if you choose not to read them.

[Blanquiceleste]

I am glad all of us are sticking up for our friend. I really enjoy his posts and this site would be worse off without them.

As for his posts being informative, it is still, it's good to get some impressions on the zeitgest from a reliable source. Also he does give some more specific info about girls he encountered their Gogo#s, prices and his experience with them.

In all fairness, how much really is there more for us to know about Patts?? 555. We've really covered this subject ad nauseum. BR, WS, Ibar, Soi 6, LK Metro, Soapies, Beer Bar areas, Soi Bukhao, have all been raked over the coals.

I guess an IDEAL new posts (as for as info goes) would deal with some new mongering area we don't know about or give us specifics on girls with their pics.Now that you put it in perspective, I have to agree that every street with any mongering potential has been mentioned or chronicled in some manner on this thread. That is why I specifically wrote FRESH INFORMATION.

Gosh! It just reminded me of how long I have been going there. Thanks for getting me back on ground Uncle V.

[Uncle Volodya]

Gosh! It just reminded me of how long I have been going there. Thanks for getting me back on ground Uncle V.Scary thoughts indeed. 555.

But they won't keep us form comign back again and again.

[Blanquiceleste]

Scary thoughts indeed. 555.

But they won't keep us form comign back again and again.Wild horses could not keep me away. Back there next week for a short trip.

[Crocodilexp]

In all fairness, how much really is there more for us to know about Patts?? 555. We've really covered this subject ad nauseum. BR, WS, Ibar, Soi 6, LK Metro, Soapies, Beer Bar areas, Soi Bukhao, have all been raked over the coals. People keep discussing same places over and over. Several spots barely got a mention here (maybe once, with scant details), for instance BJ massages behind Soi Buakao, Thai spots near Esso and off Thapphraya. I'm sure many places got no mentions at all. It is even more the case when it comes to places elsewhere in Thailand (even in Bangkok, many places get zero mentions). Moreover, whenever the "off the beaten track" posts do appear, they apparently generate very little interest or discussion. Either us mongers are not on average a very adventurous bunch, or those who are adventurous seldom care to write much about it.

[Amjeck]

Thai spots near Esso and off Thapphraya. Where are the spots off Thapphraya?

[Christian G]

People keep discussing same places over and over. Several spots barely got a mention here (maybe once, with scant details), for instance BJ massages behind Soi Buakao, Thai spots near Esso and off Thapphraya. I'm sure many places got no mentions at all. It is even more the case when it comes to places elsewhere in Thailand (even in Bangkok, many places get zero mentions). Moreover, whenever the "off the beaten track" posts do appear, they apparently generate very little interest or discussion. Either us mongers are not on average a very adventurous bunch, or those who are adventurous seldom care to write much about it.The thai spot I know near Esso is on Sukhumvit Road soi 22 - 20 called also Soi Esso. Which one is off Thapphraya Road?

The problem with the place off the beaten track is that often don't offer much. I been in LE Rouge in Soi Khao Noi, only 3 girls, old and sure "not cute". Similar in other Darkside's bar. So often is you drive on a new road is just a waste of time.

[Blanquiceleste]

....or those who are adventurous seldom care to write much about it.Or they wish to covet it all for themselves with no intention of sharing.

[ShinShin]

Or they wish to covet it all for themselves with no intention of sharing.These little paradise are almost all gone one after another after the internet age. I have seen many once were perfect little men's paradise totally wiped out or market being ruined when it gets too much attention on the cyber space. Look at Chang Ping, Zhuhai, Udon Thani, Nong Khai, Yangon, Phnom Penh, Vientiane, ect ect, list goes on.

There are now very very few bright spots left in the whole south east Asia, it takes some effort to get there, there is no longer any big town with lots of fresh green pastures left, what is left is off the beaten path with small scale local scenes. These places are too fragile to put on the world wide web, because a just few groups of hunters will surely ruin the scenes.

There is still a soi left in Thep Prasit, but it is no longer like the heydays, last trip I drove around there last year, only a few shops semi open, some are open but you won't know unless you know it's open, very few good lookers hang around too long, the good ones are gone and move to gogo bars or soapie very quickly when they know their value. Look for Nakata hotel, they can call for you as well, don't expect too much, it's no longer 2006.

[Amjeck]

These little paradise are almost all gone one after another after the internet age. I have seen many once were perfect little men's paradise totally wiped out or market being ruined when it gets too much attention on the cyber space. Look at Chang Ping, Zhuhai, Udon Thani, Nong Khai, Yangon, Phnom Penh, Vientiane, ect ect, list goes on.

There are now very very few bright spots left in the whole south east Asia,.......................... These places are too fragile to put on the world wide web, because a just few groups of hunters will surely ruin the scenes.

.Such a depressing post, but it's all so true, unfortunately.

[Crocodilexp]

These little paradise are almost all gone one after another after the internet age. I have seen many once were perfect little men's paradise totally wiped out or market being ruined when it gets too much attention on the cyber space. Look at Chang Ping, Zhuhai, Udon Thani, Nong Khai, Yangon, Phnom Penh, Vientiane, ect ect, list goes on.I agree with you that many places are getting wiped out, but it's mostly not due to the internet. For instance, Lao places in Udon and Nong Khai have been closed after the coup, with army trying to undermine income base of the police, plus punish the regular (non-wealthy) Issan men for opposing them. Those places have been known on the internet for 10-15 years before the closures, but still not many non-local Farang went there. I think the main cause of the demise is that these places often get too big / visible for their own good (more due to locals than foreigners), and in the long term economics (wages rising above livable levels) and demographics (birth rates have plummeted everywhere, and with them the supply of poor women in their 20's). Moreover, when political winds change, it's easy for the authorities to score an easy win by closing down those places. And once closed, even if reopened, they almost never regain the old glory.

[Crocodilexp]

Where are the spots off Thapphraya?Sorry, I meant Therpprasit Soi 8 (about 1 km east from interesction with Thapphraya).

[FL Hawk]

To newbies, if reading some of the doom and gloom reports here on ISG is giving you second thoughts, then put those second thoughts aside. Go to Pattaya. If you have patience, a good attitude and a little bit of cash, you will definitely find a sexual experience worthy of your wet dreams there.Absolutely. My total experience to the mongering activities in LOS date back only to April of last year. That is my reference point. I can read of how it used to be, but all I know is how it is now, and it is great. I guess it all depends on your frame of reference. So, while I can accept that the girls might not be as overwhelming beautiful, friendly, accommodating and, certainly, nowhere near as cheap as they once were, it is still an awesome place, and with the world a changing, Pattaya, and especially Phuket, may not be around as we know them to be within a few decades. Newbies, don't wait too long. Before long us old new guys will be complaining about the old days when back in 2016, you could get laid on Soi 6 with a cute 22 why / o spinner for only 1300 baht.

[TellAll]

Absolutely. My total experience to the mongering activities in LOS date back only to April of last year. That is my reference point. I can read of how it used to be, but all I know is how it is now, and it is great. I guess it all depends on your frame of reference. So, while I can accept that the girls might not be as overwhelming beautiful, friendly, accommodating and, certainly, nowhere near as cheap as they once were, it is still an awesome place, and with the world a changing, Pattaya, and especially Phuket, may not be around as we know them to be within a few decades. Newbies, don't wait too long. Before long us old new guys will be complaining about the old days when back in 2016, you could get laid on Soi 6 with a cute 22 why / o spinner for only 1300 baht.I have never been to a destination where I don't hear it was better in the past. Usually the reference point is ten years.

I don't know about the rest of you but I don't know anywhere that stays the same for ten years except in my own country.

For the past ten years it been hard as hell to get some sex without all the bullshit that comes with it. In my country guys tell me it was worse then that ten years ago. LOL.

That is why I stay in Thailand.

[Kumbu]

There's a little discussion going on in the BKK thread about Cialis, and I thought I would post this here, since it did make a difference to me in Pattaya.

The night before I came to Pattaya I had some performance issues in a threesome in BKK. So when I got to Pattaya, I looked for some Levitra. Cialis does not work for me; Viagra has some negative side effects, and while Kamagra is a little better than Viagra in terms of side-effects, it's very similar (same active ingredient, I think). So Levitra is the only one that works for me.

I only needed one tablet, since I usually only take 5 MG of the stuff and it works wonders. So one tablet would be 4 doses. I went to about a dozen pharmacies all around Beach Rd, 2nd Rd and in the sois in between and got one of the same two stories. Either they did not carry Levitra (plenty of Viagra and Cialis though), or they could only sell me a packet of four 20 MG Levitra. I asked for them to split it, and they said they could only sell loosies for Viagra or Cialis. The cost for four Levitra was listed at one pharmacy as 1800 baht, and at another at 1500 baht. One lady said she would sell me one Levitra tablet for 1000 baht (an offer that I declined). Moreover, only one person admitted to having generic vardenafil (which she referred to as "Copppee Lewitaaa", I. E. , Copy Levitra), but she said "cannot sell". I asked why, and she said "no have copy". I said "No have, or can not sell?" and she said "Yes".

My point is that Viagra and Cialis are easy to come by, both in relative bulk but also as single tablets. But Levitra is somewhat of an exotic commodity, and so if that is the only one that works for you (as is the case with me), I would suggest making sure your stock is full before coming to Pattaya.

[Mr Enternational]

That is true. I have been reselling ED medicine for years and some of my customers request Levitra. I have never been able to find a generic for it in Asia or South America.

[Haven123]

That is true. I have been reselling ED medicine for years and some of my customers request Levitra. I have never been able to find a generic for it in Asia or South America.Good to know. How much for L in Pattaya please? If you prefer, please PM me. But I don't return to Pattaya until Jan. Will be in Pto Pta in Oct though. If you are planning a trip there. Thanks.

[Kumbu]

That is true. I have been reselling ED medicine for years and some of my customers request Levitra. I have never been able to find a generic for it in Asia or South America.Wish I had known that you sell the stuff. If you sell loosies, then you may have an advantage over the other pharmacies.

[Banana Boi]

Visited Kinnaree Place yesterday and I was a bit disappointed. There were a bunch of new girls but none all that appealing except for Kung who I will try next visit. Did not see Kund there I hope she's still around. My other girls were there but a bit down saying business has been slow. Definitely had a lot of girls. Maybe 3:1 ratio at 3 pm.

One of my regular girls since Nov asked me for a bigger tip than my 200 baht after a very poor session. She's cut off and I let her know about it. Not sure if I was madder about the poor session or the begging.

[Keshtel]

Hey guys,

I will going to Pattaya in July. Are are any establishments that offer nuru massages, or would I have to make do with soapies? Tried reading the forum from about 50 pages back but could not find any info.

Regards,

Keshtel.

[Christian G]

Hey guys,

I will going to Pattaya in July. Are are any establishments that offer nuru massages, or would I have to make do with soapies? Tried reading the forum from about 50 pages back but could not find any info.
Did you check this thread also? http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3710-Pattaya-Massage-Parlors not many message but maybe have some info for you.

[Member #4390]

Hello,

This is my first report here on this site.

Part one.

Just came back couple of days ago from Pattaya.

Arrived at BKK Int'l airport last Friday night at 8:30 pm Proceeded through immigration and customs to the arrival hall.

Bought a SIM card from dtac and exchanged some cash and dropped my luggage at some luggage keeper (forgot the name, level 1 near the tourist police station).

They charged me 200 baht for 2 days, and I kept one hand bag with me then headed out to the taxi line it was a bit busy that day, agreed with the driver for 1500 baht including toll fees.

We arrived to Pattaya at 11:30 pm and then I took us 30 more minutes from north Pattaya to my hotel through beach road and walking street.

Checked in at Nova Platinum hotel then headed to the room, rested a bit and changed my outfit then down to the streets the time was about 1:00 am.

Arrived to walking street it was a bit crowded then searched for some food as I was very hungry, noticed king sea food rest. Walked in and ordered some Thai food, it was good in general, paid the bill and went out.

Upon many users recommendations I wanted to try Insomnia first, so arrived there it was about 2:30 am, still very crowded.

Checked out the place and headed to the bar area bought a drink and stayed there, while I was checking the area noticed some hot chicks but unfortunately they were occupied, another chicks were on average and below average, some of them weren't my type as they looked so bitchy with there wear and there make up.

1 more hour and I felted tired and sleepy since I didn't slept last time well due to my flight so I was welling to pickup any girl just not to sleep alone the first night.

Fortunately while I was checking around and distributing smiles around I noticed an average looking girl dancing and drinking beside me she was a bit fat and wore a braces but didn't looked a working girl so I smiled then she smiled back.

While I'm inviting her for the bar for a drink her friend arrived, her friend was stunning she looked so sexy and cute in her jeans skirt and short sleeve body top, her body was amazing directly she noticed me checking her and smiled back, quickly then I said Hello, and asked if she wanted to have a drink with me, and yes she agreed, she orders her drink I paid and stared the normal conversation (where are you from, how old are you) then we stared to dancing, kissing, flirting it was 4:30 then at that time I was very sleepy so I asked her if she would join me and she smiled then I told here one night she also smiled and agreed, while her friend was already with another guy dancing and having fun although they chanted in Thai and laughed.

Back to my girl as we were ready to leave I did thought that I need to agree the price with her before leaving as she didn't mention any thing about the money, so I was confused to ask her or not to ask, so I decided to do the trick and asked her if she liked me (BTW I'm an fit body average looking 25 yrs old guy) she smiled and said yes I asked her how much do I need to pay to you, then surprisingly she replied: I pay to you! (although she was so cute, nice body and boobs didn't look like a working girl neither in her outfit nor in her make up).

*Part two tomorrow*.

[Kumbu]

This is my first report here on this site.Welcome AM1010! I'm very glad you are posting and contributing.


Back to my girl as we were ready to leave I did thought that I need to agree the price with her before leaving as she didn't mention any thing about the money, so I was confused to ask her or not to ask, so I decided to do the trick and asked her if she liked me (BTW I'm an fit body average looking 25 yrs old guy) she smiled and said yes I asked her how much do I need to pay to you, then surprisingly she replied: I pay to you! (although she was so cute, nice body and boobs didn't look like a working girl neither in her outfit nor in her make up).Uh-oh, this sounds fishy. Eager to see how this works out. . .


*Part two tomorrow*.Looking forward to it!

[Allover]

Awesome report. Looking forward to reading the rest. I am a little curious as to why you didn't take all of your luggage to Pattaya instead of leaving much of it at BKK. I also notice you are 25 years old. I sincerely wish I would have been able to get to Thailand at that young age. When I first started going in the late 90's I don't recall seeing any 25 year old falangs there. And I was about 45 years old on my first trip.

[Member #4390]

Hello again,

This is the second and last report for my trip to Pattaya couple of days ago.

So we went down from Insomina to walking street and it was heavy raining so I bought an umbrella and she told me we can Take the baht bus to the hotel, so found one and he wanted 200 baht for just about 2 km, So I agreed since it was heavy raining.

We arrived to the hotel then proceeded to the room, we took shower And just laid in bed, she told me that she is a freelance tour guide, and she studies Language in school near beach road and she helps her aunt in the beauty saloon in the afternoon And she is living alone in Pattaya as her parents were abroad.

We chatted a bit and started loosing and flirting and we then had round 1 about 30 minutes but unfortunately I couldn't came since I was very tired and exhausted and the condom I used from the hotel mini bar was so tight but she had very awesome body without any scratch or mark very soft.

We cuddled in the bed naked and then she did mention that she wanted to go to temple in the morning and to pass by her aunt shop and then come back at 11.

It was almost 5:30 so we slept and then she woke me up at 7:30 kissed me and said good bye so told that she will call me on 11 when she will finish.

11:30 am while I'm still sleeping she called and told me to be ready by 30 minutes as she would come.

So I woke up took a shower and get ready, after about 25 minutes she called and told me to come down to the lobby as she is arriving, so I went down and saw her and I was very hungry so agreed to go to have breakfast in central festival, and she mentioned that we can go by her car! As she parked it in the hotel parking (at that time I was sure that she is not a working girl).

So we arrived to central festival had breakfast in food park walked around a bit and she suggested we go to a nearby museum so I agreed, so we went there spent some time took some pictures and went out it was almost 4:00 pm.

So told me that she have to go to her room finish something and come back to me at 8:00 to go have dinner.

So she dropped me in the hotel and I went to the room slept for about 2 hours, then she called at 7:00 telling me that she Is coming now, so she came in we then cuddled on the bed and then had round 2, she was super girl friendly and was so hot.

After that we took shower then headed to walking street walking not with her car as the distance was close enough, had dinner at beer garden we sat outside the weather so great, her yesterday friend called her and she invited her to the dinner but she do apologized.

So we had dinner and walked around walking street, and then went to the hotel it was about 10:30 pm she told me that will go to her room finish some homework for Monday and come back at 2:00 am to hit the club.

So at 2:00 am she arrived we went to Insomnia again had some drink danced and had some fun it was about 5:00 am we returned to the room took shower and had round 3 slept cuddling.

She woke me up at 11:00 am we went out for Breakfast then she drove us to her aunt salon, she introduced me to her aunt and to the staff, I had a foot message there and she chatted with her aunt.

Then she suggested we go to the floating maker arrived there the weather was so hot so only stayed there for about 40 minutes then she drove me to Jomitan area as I wanted to see the beach there if it's better than beach road but it looked the same unclear water to swim.

Then we headed to my hotel took some rest and planned for the last dinner as it was my last night as my flight was 4:00 am that day.

So she wanted to go to her room to have shower and change her outfit and she will be back by 8:00 pm so I arranged my stuff took shower then she arrived we slept a bit together and then had our last round 4.

So then she drove to beach road parked there and to the restaurants area, we had dinner at sizzler.

On the way back to hotel I wanted to know how much I need to pay her, as she mentioned to me before that she usually don't go out with men unless she likes him, so in the way back while she was driving I tried to figure out how much I need to pay, she told me you need not to give me anything, if you want you can buy something for me.

But unfortunately it was too late to go buy something for her, because I wanted to check out from hotel and take a cab to BKK, so I told her I would give her cash and you could buy anything you want.

Then we arrived to the hotel room laid in bed together, I handed her 4,000 baht she was so thankful.

Then I checked out from the hotel and she suggested that she will drive me to the airport but I refused as if it was too late for her to come back alone from Bangkok. So went in the taxi kissed her and said good bye.

We had already exchanged line ID's so she kept sending me msgs all the way and that she would be waiting me to comeback.

That's it.

I had an awesome 3 days 2 nights with her.

Willing to come come back in August.

As if Bangkok is my step over airport not my destination returning home.

Usually I had step over a couple of time in Bangkok I used to stay in Bangkok for couple of days.

But now sure I will head direct to Pattaya as it more fun and less crowded than Bangkok.

Thanks for all the info provided here guys.

Unfortunately I hadn't the chance to try beer bars or beach road WS.

But for me one non- working girl experience is worth than hundred.

[Member #4390]

Awesome report. Looking forward to reading the rest. I am a little curious as to why you didn't take all of your luggage to Pattaya instead of leaving much of it at BKK. I also notice you are 25 years old. I sincerely wish I would have been able to get to Thailand at that young age. When I first started going in the late 90's I don't recall seeing any 25 year old falangs there. And I was about 45 years old on my first trip.Thanks man.

I had to keep my luggage at the airport because Bangkok is not my destination it's just a stop over.

Usually I do stop over in BKK couple of times since I work abroad and Bangkok considered to be the middle city for my flight, so hadn't to take all my stuff to Pattaya. Only kept one hand bag with me.

Cheers.

[Haven123]

Hello again,

This is the second and last report for my trip to Pattaya couple of days ago.

So we went down from Insomina to walking street and it was heavy raining so I bought an umbrella and she told me we can Take the baht bus to the hotel, so found one and he wanted 200 baht for just about 2 km, So I agreed since it was heavy raining.

We arrived to the hotel then proceeded to the room, we took shower And just laid in bed, she told me that she is a freelance tour guide, and she studies Language in school near beach road and she helps her aunt in the beauty saloon in the afternoon And she is living alone in Pattaya as her parents were abroad.

We chatted a bit and started loosing and flirting and we then had round 1 about 30 minutes but unfortunately I couldn't came since I was very tired and exhausted and the condom I used from the hotel mini bar was so tight but she had very awesome body without any scratch or mark very soft.

We cuddled in the bed naked and then she did mention that she wanted to go to temple in the morning and to pass by her aunt shop and then come back at 11.

It was almost 5:30 so we slept and then she woke me up at 7:30 kissed me and said good bye so told that she will call me on 11 when she will finish.

11:30 am while I'm still sleeping she called and told me to be ready by 30 minutes as she would come.

So I woke up took a shower and get ready, after about 25 minutes she called and told me to come down to the lobby as she is arriving, so I went down and saw her and I was very hungry so agreed to go to have breakfast in central festival, and she mentioned that we can go by her car! As she parked it in the hotel parking (at that time I was sure that she is not a working girl).

So we arrived to central festival had breakfast in food park walked around a bit and she suggested we go to a nearby museum so I agreed, so we went there spent some time took some pictures and went out it was almost 4:00 pm.

So told me that she have to go to her room finish something and come back to me at 8:00 to go have dinner.

So she dropped me in the hotel and I went to the room slept for about 2 hours, then she called at 7:00 telling me that she Is coming now, so she came in we then cuddled on the bed and then had round 2, she was super girl friendly and was so hot.

After that we took shower then headed to walking street walking not with her car as the distance was close enough, had dinner at beer garden we sat outside the weather so great, her yesterday friend called her and she invited her to the dinner but she do apologized.

So we had dinner and walked around walking street, and then went to the hotel it was about 10:30 pm she told me that will go to her room finish some homework for Monday and come back at 2:00 am to hit the club.

So at 2:00 am she arrived we went to Insomnia again had some drink danced and had some fun it was about 5:00 am we returned to the room took shower and had round 3 slept cuddling.

She woke me up at 11:00 am we went out for Breakfast then she drove us to her aunt salon, she introduced me to her aunt and to the staff, I had a foot message there and she chatted with her aunt.

Then she suggested we go to the floating maker arrived there the weather was so hot so only stayed there for about 40 minutes then she drove me to Jomitan area as I wanted to see the beach there if it's better than beach road but it looked the same unclear water to swim.

Then we headed to my hotel took some rest and planned for the last dinner as it was my last night as my flight was 4:00 am that day.

So she wanted to go to her room to have shower and change her outfit and she will be back by 8:00 pm so I arranged my stuff took shower then she arrived we slept a bit together and then had our last round 4.

So then she drove to beach road parked there and to the restaurants area, we had dinner at sizzler.

On the way back to hotel I wanted to know how much I need to pay her, as she mentioned to me before that she usually don't go out with men unless she likes him, so in the way back while she was driving I tried to figure out how much I need to pay, she told me you need not to give me anything, if you want you can buy something for me.

But unfortunately it was too late to go buy something for her, because I wanted to check out from hotel and take a cab to BKK, so I told her I would give her cash and you could buy anything you want.

Then we arrived to the hotel room laid in bed together, I handed her 4,000 baht she was so thankful.

Then I checked out from the hotel and she suggested that she will drive me to the airport but I refused as if it was too late for her to come back alone from Bangkok. So went in the taxi kissed her and said good bye.

We had already exchanged line ID's so she kept sending me msgs all the way and that she would be waiting me to comeback.

That's it.

I had an awesome 3 days 2 nights with her.

Willing to come come back in August.

As if Bangkok is my step over airport not my destination returning home.

Usually I had step over a couple of time in Bangkok I used to stay in Bangkok for couple of days.

But now sure I will head direct to Pattaya as it more fun and less crowded than Bangkok.

Thanks for all the info provided here guys.

Unfortunately I hadn't the chance to try beer bars or beach road WS.

But for me one non- working girl experience is worth than hundred.Wow, congrats! You seem like a really nice guy and she seems like a really nice gal. Hope you see her again soon! I'm really glad for you! Cheers!

[HotStud251]

Buddy buy subscription so you can share her line ID.


Hello again,

This is the second and last report for my trip to Pattaya couple of days ago.

So we went down from Insomina to walking street and it was heavy raining so I bought an umbrella and she told me we can Take the baht bus to the hotel, so found one and he wanted 200 baht for just about 2 km, So I agreed since it was heavy raining.

We arrived to the hotel then proceeded to the room, we took shower And just laid in bed, she told me that she is a freelance tour guide, and she studies Language in school near beach road and she helps her aunt in the beauty saloon in the afternoon And she is living alone in Pattaya as her parents were abroad.

We chatted a bit and started loosing and flirting and we then had round 1 about 30 minutes but unfortunately I couldn't came since I was very tired and exhausted and the condom I used from the hotel mini bar was so tight but she had very awesome body without any scratch or mark very soft.

We cuddled in the bed naked and then she did mention that she wanted to go to temple in the morning and to pass by her aunt shop and then come back at 11.

It was almost 5:30 so we slept and then she woke me up at 7:30 kissed me and said good bye so told that she will call me on 11 when she will finish.

11:30 am while I'm still sleeping she called and told me to be ready by 30 minutes as she would come.

So I woke up took a shower and get ready, after about 25 minutes she called and told me to come down to the lobby as she is arriving, so I went down and saw her and I was very hungry so agreed to go to have breakfast in central festival, and she mentioned that we can go by her car! As she parked it in the hotel parking (at that time I was sure that she is not a working girl).

So we arrived to central festival had breakfast in food park walked around a bit and she suggested we go to a nearby museum so I agreed, so we went there spent some time took some pictures and went out it was almost 4:00 pm.

So told me that she have to go to her room finish something and come back to me at 8:00 to go have dinner.

So she dropped me in the hotel and I went to the room slept for about 2 hours, then she called at 7:00 telling me that she Is coming now, so she came in we then cuddled on the bed and then had round 2, she was super girl friendly and was so hot.

After that we took shower then headed to walking street walking not with her car as the distance was close enough, had dinner at beer garden we sat outside the weather so great, her yesterday friend called her and she invited her to the dinner but she do apologized.

So we had dinner and walked around walking street, and then went to the hotel it was about 10:30 pm she told me that will go to her room finish some homework for Monday and come back at 2:00 am to hit the club.

So at 2:00 am she arrived we went to Insomnia again had some drink danced and had some fun it was about 5:00 am we returned to the room took shower and had round 3 slept cuddling.

She woke me up at 11:00 am we went out for Breakfast then she drove us to her aunt salon, she introduced me to her aunt and to the staff, I had a foot message there and she chatted with her aunt.

Then she suggested we go to the floating maker arrived there the weather was so hot so only stayed there for about 40 minutes then she drove me to Jomitan area as I wanted to see the beach there if it's better than beach road but it looked the same unclear water to swim.

Then we headed to my hotel took some rest and planned for the last dinner as it was my last night as my flight was 4:00 am that day.

So she wanted to go to her room to have shower and change her outfit and she will be back by 8:00 pm so I arranged my stuff took shower then she arrived we slept a bit together and then had our last round 4.

So then she drove to beach road parked there and to the restaurants area, we had dinner at sizzler.

On the way back to hotel I wanted to know how much I need to pay her, as she mentioned to me before that she usually don't go out with men unless she likes him, so in the way back while she was driving I tried to figure out how much I need to pay, she told me you need not to give me anything, if you want you can buy something for me.

But unfortunately it was too late to go buy something for her, because I wanted to check out from hotel and take a cab to BKK, so I told her I would give her cash and you could buy anything you want.

Then we arrived to the hotel room laid in bed together, I handed her 4,000 baht she was so thankful.

Then I checked out from the hotel and she suggested that she will drive me to the airport but I refused as if it was too late for her to come back alone from Bangkok. So went in the taxi kissed her and said good bye.

We had already exchanged line ID's so she kept sending me msgs all the way and that she would be waiting me to comeback.

That's it.

I had an awesome 3 days 2 nights with her.

Willing to come come back in August.

As if Bangkok is my step over airport not my destination returning home.

Usually I had step over a couple of time in Bangkok I used to stay in Bangkok for couple of days.

But now sure I will head direct to Pattaya as it more fun and less crowded than Bangkok.

Thanks for all the info provided here guys.

Unfortunately I hadn't the chance to try beer bars or beach road WS.

But for me one non- working girl experience is worth than hundred.

[Haven123]

Buddy buy subscription so you can share her line ID.Yeah, if you want buy a membership with Jackson, I think it's worthwhile.

BUT, I strongly suggest you Never share contact details of girls, with people who you do not know and guys from here on ISG.

If you do, and something untoward happens, you will feel / be responsible and you never know who these guys are. Good or Bad!

And who knows, you could become an accessory to a crime.

Some (only some) guys from India are the most aggressive in this regard and PM me to ask me for this kind of info (a lot) and I always decline and block them!

There are many stories of some of these guys (just a few of them) who book multiple bedroom apts and lure girls and take turns without the girl knowing ahead of time, and bad shit happens. So, be forewarned and ultra careful about nice girls so that they are not destroyed by these bad apples who visit Pattaya. I just hope the Thai police arrest these guys and keep them in jail for 10 years or longer!

I only suggest this because you are new here and I suggest you be wary and careful!

[BionicMan]

Buddy buy subscription so you can share her line ID.Do you think she will be happy to be pestered by approaches of any kind (I can figure these out already by some "manager") aiming to take her straight to bed and offering 3 k for three days and two nights. ?

[Apple Court]

I haven't been to Pattaya in many years, but going tomorrow. I am meeting up with a male Thai friend that I knew several years in China. He doesn't know much about Pattaya, but is wanting to check it out.

Are Thai men allowed in Kinnaree, WS gogo bars, Insomnia and similar places? He's well dressed with good manners, etc. Thanks!

[Mr Enternational]

I haven't been to Pattaya in many years, but going tomorrow. I am meeting up with a male Thai friend that I knew several years in China. He doesn't know much about Pattaya, but is wanting to check it out.

Are Thai men allowed in Kinnaree, WS gogo bars, Insomnia and similar places? He's well dressed with good manners, etc. Thanks!It is a touchy subject. Generally I would say that is true. The thing is that Walking Street exists for foreigners and Thais have their places in other parts of Pattaya. That is why I cringe when I see someone always wanting to go to some holy grail spot where there are no foreigners and Thais hoard all the best women for themselves. That is the problem with westerners. You give them a centimeter and they want to take a meter by infringing on the locals. Foreigners have their places, and Thais have their places.

However, I do believe that if you two show up together he would not have a problem getting in. Then too, if he speaks other languages he can always act like he is not Thai. Without speaking, Thai people generally will not know a Thai from a non-Thai.

[Mr Enternational]

There are many stories of some of these guys (just a few of them) who book multiple bedroom apts and lure girls and take turns without the girl knowing They say the guy with the beard goes last.

[Hotman 666]

I haven't been to Pattaya in many years, but going tomorrow. I am meeting up with a male Thai friend that I knew several years in China. He doesn't know much about Pattaya, but is wanting to check it out.

Are Thai men allowed in Kinnaree, WS gogo bars, Insomnia and similar places? He's well dressed with good manners, etc. Thanks!I have taken a Thai male friends to several of the Walking St go go's with no problems. At some of the bars we were stopped by security but when I told them "he is with me. " Then we were nodded in with no further questions.

An English bar owner at one of the more "hands on" bars did tell me that they do have to be careful that they are not letting in some plain clothes police but it seems that if with a Farang, then no problem.

Enjoy,

Hotman.

[Liverpool1208]

Hi there everyone,

I just have a doubt. Can you book st or LT on the girls who normally stand outside the bars trying to get the customers to go into the clubs? Are they available for ST / LT? And also is the standard rate in Pattaya still same? ST 1000 and LT 2500 for bar girls?

Thanks

[Daddy07]

I went to the local Immigration office today for my 90 day report. The last two times it was fairly easy as they dropped the requirement to fill out a half page form and submit proof of residence. All that was necessary was my passport which they scanned and handed back to me with a receipt. No forms were required to be filled out and no other proofs were necessary.

That was then and this is now. When I said to the officer that I was there for my 90 day report, I was handed a 3 page form to be filled out and signed; and a photo was also required. So I had to go home and come back tomorrow to get it done, and even then I won't know until I get there whether there will be additional requirements. They just change the rules whenever they please without any advance notice and there is nothing on the official website about it. Nothing. So there were a whole lot of angry foreigners at the Immigration office today. Tough luck for me and for them; the Thai officials just don't care.

When I got home and looked at the form (titled Foreign National Information Form) I discovered that they now want personal information like what social media sites I belong to; including my Facebook ID of all things; and what clubs, restaurants, shops and other premises I frequently visit in Thailand. I had to put down on the form the Windmill a-go-go where I frequently visit to molest all the naked little girls for the price of lady drinks.

Oh, well, we must never forget that this is Thailand and we have to put up with some stupid bureaucratic shit from time to time if we want to stay to enjoy the abundant and cheap pussy.

[Blanquiceleste]

I went to the local Immigration office today for my 90 day report. The last two times it was fairly easy as they dropped the requirement to fill out a half page form and submit proof of residence. All that was necessary was my passport which they scanned and handed back to me with a receipt. No forms were required to be filled out and no other proofs were necessary.

That was then and this is now. When I said to the officer that I was there for my 90 day report, I was handed a 3 page form to be filled out and signed; and a photo was also required. So I had to go home and come back tomorrow to get it done, and even then I won't know until I get there whether there will be additional requirements. They just change the rules whenever they please without any advance notice and there is nothing on the official website about it. Nothing. So there were a whole lot of angry foreigners at the Immigration office today. Tough luck for me and for them; the Thai officials just don't care.

When I got home and looked at the form (titled Foreign National Information Form) I discovered that they now want personal information like what social media sites I belong to; including my Facebook ID of all things; and what clubs, restaurants, shops and other premises I frequently visit in Thailand. I had to put down on the form the Windmill a-go-go where I frequently visit to molest all the naked little girls for the price of lady drinks.

Oh, well, we must never forget that this is Thailand and we have to put up with some stupid bureaucratic shit from time to time if we want to stay to enjoy the abundant and cheap pussy.The changes were implemented in Bangkok nearly 2 months back.

http://pattaya-funtown.com/now-thai-immigration-want-know-everything/

I guess its made its way to the Chonburi Immigration bureau now.

[Christian G]

That was then and this is now. When I said to the officer that I was there for my 90 day report, I was handed a 3 page form to be filled out and signed; and a photo was also required. So I had to go home and come back tomorrow to get it done, and even then I won't know until I get there whether there will be additional requirements. They just change the rules whenever they please without any advance notice and there is nothing on the official website about it. Nothing. So there were a whole lot of angry foreigners at the Immigration office today. Tough luck for me and for them; the Thai officials just don't care.
It is more than one month that people on various forum discuss and complain about this new form with silly question like social media etc.

[Forever69]

I went to the local Immigration office today for my ....... cheap pussy.Please leave that stuff where it belongs, like Thai visa website.

[Mr Enternational]

It is more than one month that people on various forum discuss and complain about this new form with silly question like social media etc.Yep. The form just hit Pattaya. Word is that you can actually leave it blank.

[Cool]

Hi there everyone,

I just have a doubt. Can you book st or LT on the girls who normally stand outside the bars trying to get the customers to go into the clubs? Are they available for ST / LT? And also is the standard rate in Pattaya still same? ST 1000 and LT 2500 for bar girls?

ThanksMy friend is friends with a door girl and she Lines me pics all the time that I forward to him since he is old school and don't have line. In the Philippines it was ultra easy to get a door girl. They usually had the lower tiered price and they required a barfine unless they met during off duty hours. Sometimes they will send an actual dancer to be eye candy and get the guys in. Certainly possible. Chat her up and she will let you know if she is available.

[LittleBigMan]

Please leave that stuff where it belongs, like Thai visa website.Why? You the New Moderator now? It might have been discussed on other website but I haven't seen it here on the Pattaya Thread, and even if it was, it might have been missed. It might not be relevant to you but that isn't for you to decide?

[Gin And Tonic]

Hi there everyone,

I just have a doubt. Can you book st or LT on the girls who normally stand outside the bars trying to get the customers to go into the clubs? Are they available for ST / LT? And also is the standard rate in Pattaya still same? ST 1000 and LT 2500 for bar girls?

ThanksA couple of years ago a saw a drop dead gorgeous sign girl off Walking. I asked her in for a drink. Her English wasn't good but her friend joined us after her dance cycle. She said her friend was too shy to dance and that they were just down from BKK. The friend asked to be bar fined and I responded sure if we take the sign girl too. It took her a few minutes to convince her friend but then we were off to the condo.

[Gin And Tonic]

I have taken a Thai male friends to several of the Walking St go go's with no problems. At some of the bars we were stopped by security but when I told them "he is with me. " Then we were nodded in with no further questions.

An English bar owner at one of the more "hands on" bars did tell me that they do have to be careful that they are not letting in some plain clothes police but it seems that if with a Farang, then no problem.

Enjoy,

Hotman.I know plenty of Farang who will not stay in a place if Thai guys are drinking there. They have a reputation of looking for fights when drunk. Decoy cops are usually Farang Tourist Police.

[Daddy07]

Yep. The form just hit Pattaya. Word is that you can actually leave it blank.You're right. In all fairness the personal and social media information is optional. I left it blank except for my email address in case they want to notify me of something important in the future. I was joking about putting down the Windmill Club where I molest naked little girls. I gave them nothing. I'm confident that I will give them their form; they will put it in a filing cabinet and it will never see the light of day again, but it will [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off if this new requirement will be necessary every 90 days from now on.

[Apple Court]

Thanks for the feedback. We had no trouble getting into anywhere. One venue gave him a serious looking over, but we made sure we were speaking English loudly enough for security to hear and we walked right in. The go go's were absolutely no problem, but he always said he was from England to the girls.

I was in Pattaya 2 nights. Really enjoyed Kinnaree on Sunday. Took 2 girls (separately) and it was good fun and good value. Spent enough for the free food, but didn't sample. Next time I'll go on a non-food day, when it would be much quieter. Had a 15 min wait for a room 1 time, but the girls were fun to sit next to while you wait.

Pulled a girl each of 2 nights (about 1 am) from Insomnia for overnight with 2 pops (both left early afternoon). 1 was 1500 and the other 2000 (better looking). I'm not on the young and hansum list, but possibly could have gotten for 500 less as they were both happy with these prices. Both were good service, but I'd say 1 was a 5-6 (baby damage) and the other a 7. Still busy there on Sunday and Monday nights, and I think the girls get taken most nights from what they told me.

[Asian_Pimp]

Wow. It's been awhile since I been back to Pattaya. Thinking of making a 7 day trip back to Pattaya and have a little fun with a few buddies of mine. I remember there used to be a club called "Starz" where most Asian and tourist go at night to pick up girls at clubs. But that was over 15 years ago. I'm sure lots have changed. So I have a few questions or you vets.

What's a good club to go to in Pattaya to have a great time and pick up good looking women?

What is the going rate for Overnight now? It used to be 2000 baht no negotiation needed.

Which logo bar has the hottest girls? Used to be SugarBaby. Not sure if it's still there. . LOL.

Greatly appreciate any info. Thanks.

[Cool]

This is subjective. You can try red car and bamboo at WS entrance if you like mature ladies after midnight. Sub 1 k is possible. You can try hip hop club 808. You can get LT under 2 k. The restaurant by the water / ws with the chilling / looking coaster is OK. I wouldn't go over 2 k unless she is 8+ and under 25 yo or your generous. Russian girls are a possibility but they want more baht and I never tried them.


Wow. It's been awhile since I been back to Pattaya. Thinking of making a 7 day trip back to Pattaya and have a little fun with a few buddies of mine. I remember there used to be a club called "Starz" where most Asian and tourist go at night to pick up girls at clubs. But that was over 15 years ago. I'm sure lots have changed. So I have a few questions or you vets.

What's a good club to go to in Pattaya to have a great time and pick up good looking women?

What is the going rate for Overnight now? It used to be 2000 baht no negotiation needed.

Which logo bar has the hottest girls? Used to be SugarBaby. Not sure if it's still there. . LOL.

Greatly appreciate any info. Thanks.

[Cool]

Sugar Baby is still there and popular with the Euro gents. Her sister bar Windmill is a raunchier version of Sugar Baby. My girlfriend complained Windmill stank (probably the nearby punters). For some reason the girls were not as cute to me at the gogos in late June as they were at the end of May. Maybe I had become accustomed to Thai women. Any of the big bars should give you what you want as far as Optics like Crazy House, Glass House, Angel Witch, Alcatraz (didn't like girls look at Traz and they were pushy), Bacarra, Electric blue (pushy mamasan) etc. I though Bacarra in Soi Cowboy was a rip off but it stays packed. You can't go wrong with the big bars, however, they have the highest drink prices.


Wow. It's been awhile since I been back to Pattaya. Thinking of making a 7 day trip back to Pattaya and have a little fun with a few buddies of mine. I remember there used to be a club called "Starz" where most Asian and tourist go at night to pick up girls at clubs. But that was over 15 years ago. I'm sure lots have changed. So I have a few questions or you vets.

What's a good club to go to in Pattaya to have a great time and pick up good looking women?

What is the going rate for Overnight now? It used to be 2000 baht no negotiation needed.

Which logo bar has the hottest girls? Used to be SugarBaby. Not sure if it's still there. . LOL.

Greatly appreciate any info. Thanks.

[Cool]

You can try Ibar. Negotiation is important at Ibar because I have heard guys throw out BKK numbers at Ibar. It is bigger than 808 and have 2 floors and pool tables. The girls were pretty friendly there 2 weeks ago. And finally, RTFF. If you monitored the forum the last 6 weeks you would have gotten a recent rundown / pointers. You mentioned friends so hopefully your friends have spent 2 weeks in Pattaya this year. If so, they will know where to take you. 808 closes around 4 am. If you get in late check out Flex. It usually has 4 Russian FL who dance all night / morning.

[Mr Enternational]

For some reason the girls were not as cute to me at the gogos in late June as they were at the end of May. Maybe I had become accustomed to Thai women.LOL. That is because your ass has gotten used to paying freelance disco prices. Those chicks in gogos are not 3000 baht worth of cute to me either. I bet you still haven't gotten with the gogo chicks that we met at the market.

[Banana Boi]

Which logo bar has the hottest girls? Used to be SugarBaby. Not sure if it's still there. . LOL.
.I've hit about 25 gogo bars in the past 2 weeks on WS and LK Metro. Still quite a few more to try out like the obscure ones on Soi diamond. Sugarbaby is the worst line up. Windmill is pretty close to the bottom as well. No gem there at all. Anyone know where Mo went?

imo Sensations is the best right now.

[Haven123]

I've hit about 25 gogo bars in the past 2 weeks on WS and LK Metro. Still quite a few more to try out like the obscure ones on Soi diamond. Sugarbaby is the worst line up. Windmill is pretty close to the bottom as well. No gem there at all. Anyone know where Mo went?

imo Sensations is the best right now.You know what they say? Hope is eternal!

Whatever floats your boat man.

Take care. And all the best. And cheers!

[Haven123]

LOL. That is because your ass has gotten used to paying freelance disco prices. Those chicks in gogos are not 3000 baht worth of cute to me either. I bet you still haven't gotten with the gogo chicks that we met at the market.Man. Mr. ENT, I want to hit IBar and Insomnia with you sometime! My strategy would be " hey, ask him how much he's going to give you for LT. ' Cause he's my boss". And then I'd say I'll give you 50 PC more.

So, my guess is I'd do well with you as my consigliere ' cause I'd then end up with the chicks LT for 1500 baht or less?

Do you think this would work? I think this could be a good strategy for any guys who team up 2 or more? Try it guys!

A variation on the Good cop, bad cop strategy.

Uncle V, you up for this? Or would you want to run to bed within an hour of getting into Insomnia?

[Mr Enternational]

Man. Mr. ENT, I want to hit IBar and Insomnia with you sometime! My strategy would be " hey, ask him how much he's going to give you for LT. ' Cause he's my boss". And then I'd say I'll give you 50 PC more.

So, my guess is I'd do well with you as my consigliere ' cause I'd then end up with the chicks LT for 1500 baht or less?

Do you think this would work?I am sure it would work, but 9 times out of 10 I never have to discuss money. I just give them 1000 baht the next day. Then doing it your way the friend is going to want the same amount. Like the time me and my dad were with 2 chicks. The next morning I had a brain fart / fell in love and gave my chick 1500 for some reason. She called her friend in my dad's room and told her, then the friend wanted 1500 from my dad too. He stuck with 1000 and jumped in my shit later for giving the girl too much.

[Haven123]

I am sure it would work, but 9 times out of 10 I never have to discuss money. I just give them 1000 baht the next day. Then doing it your way the friend is going to want the same amount. Like the time me and my dad were with 2 chicks. The next morning I had a brain fart / fell in love and gave my chick 1500 for some reason. She called her friend in my dad's room and told her, then the friend wanted 1500 from my dad too. He stuck with 1000 and jumped in my shit later for giving the girl too much.Oh man. Your honesty and stories like with your dad, are so incredible.

I think you are the only guy who posts such stuff. I totally admire that!

But, I'm a wee bit different, if I truly connect with a girl. I want to see her really happy. If only for a few days!

Why? I don't know dude. Except it makes me happy. Ask Ayn Rand!

In the end, I ask you : " what is the meaning of money " at its core ?

[Cool]

LOL. That is because your ass has gotten used to paying freelance disco prices. Those chicks in gogos are not 3000 baht worth of cute to me either. I bet you still haven't gotten with the gogo chicks that we met at the market.I find 808 disco ladies' performance better than soapies. My flaw is I don't have a rotation. I also need their phone #s to keep my bloodhound girlfriend off the scent. I don't know how to shop on beach to be discrete during early evening hours. I got no response from the girls at market. A Bliss and Skyfall review is coming later this month.

[Mr Enternational]

In the end, I ask you : " what is the meaning of money " at its core ?Money means nothing. It is the stuff that you can get with money that means something. And if you spend more on one thing then you have less of it to go towards another thing.

Like you said, I spend money on me because it will make me happy. I could care less about making a chick happy because they will come and go. And if it takes my money to make her happy then I would rather her go.

Now if we are talking about spending money on a family member or someone who I have known for a long time then that is a different story. But some random chick who I first laid eyes on a week ago fuck that shit.

The last chick that I met in the disco (she has a day job as well) I had to test her out by telling her that I didn't have any money so I would not be able to see her. She still insisted on coming to see me and wanted to to stay with me every night thereafter. We have been kicking it pretty good. Then when it was time for me to leave I tried to give her money and she refused it. That is the kind of person I don't mind spending money on.

[Banana Boi]

Like the time me and my dad were with 2 chicks. The next morning I had a brain fart / fell in love and gave my chick 1500 for some reason. She called her friend in my dad's room and told her, then the friend wanted 1500 from my dad too. He stuck with 1000 and jumped in my shit later for giving the girl too much.Great story and would be so true.

[Haven123]

The last chick that I met in the disco (she has a day job as well) I had to test her out by telling her that I didn't have any money so I would not be able to see her. She still insisted on coming to see me and wanted to to stay with me every night thereafter. Hahaha. Will never happen to me! You and I are playing in different ball parks. C'est la vie. You are one lucky and cool dude! I'm jealous! Cheers!

[Smily59]

Gents,

I enjoyed Pattaya a lot and especially liked the beer bars (and their ladies). In 2010 I was not pleased with quality and quantity and had to resort to gogos and soi6. Since then I looked for greener pastures, regrettably I have to confess I could find a little bit greener only.

Considering a trip to Pattaya at the end of this year I read the thread profoundly, but beer bars are not mentioned. So my guess is this scene is still depressing. I don't like the FL scene. Neither BR nor the clubs, action there simply starts too late for my taste.

An update on beer bars would be very much appreciated, especially making a point which areas are worth to visit (in my mind an empty bar with only 2 girls or below 6 in looks is not) BF 300 bht, ST 1200 bht, LT 2000 bht possible?

Even if you do not partake, maybe you can give us a general impression at least -.

Maybe suggest an other city. Even if the scene is smaller?

Thanks a lot guys smily.

[Mr Enternational]

Hahaha. Will never happen to me! You and I are playing in different ball parks. C'est la vie. You are one lucky and cool dude! I'm jealous! Cheers!You say that now. Cool thought the same thing. He was ready to leave Pattaya then I showed him the way. Now he is creating havoc. Got chicks fighting over him and stuff. You can't pry him away from Pattaya now.

[Cool]

Took my girlfriend and her girlfriend to Airlines tonight on WS. I doubt it was the Fri. Lineup. 2-3 weak 8's. Girls had nice bodies but 70% of lineup not worth 3 k. Bottled beer 150+ bht. 15 girls rotate every 15 minutes. Maybe 45 girls at 11:30 pm Sun. Glass House possibly 35 girls. Best girls didn't work tonight. Bottled beer $150 bht. Only 2 girls caught my eye. 1 I recognized from my first visit.

[FaceCushion]

Hello guys,

I would be spending the next few days mongering in Pattaya and would really appreciate if someone could help (PM or otherwise) me with contacts of some dominatrix (I am more into femdom). Am looking at damages around 2 K.

Thanks in advance.

[Cool]

I gave my mate the choice of going to Bliss / Skyfall. She chose Bliss. She asked a trick question. 'which girl I like?' Didn't fall for it. She suggested buying ping pong balls. There were 7 fuckable girls out of 20 stage girls. Small / Decent club but not a top 10 WS go go. 140 bht beer. Lady drinks 10-30 bht more. 90% of girls had nice bodies. Glasshouse has a see through second floor like Bacara. Last night there were no girls on Glasshouse second floor.

[Axelay]

Hey all,

I've been in Parraya for a couple of days and unfortunately am finding it's not really going so well.

Went to walking street on my first night and picked up a girl from Insomnia. Wasn't a great selection of girls and wasn't feeling up to try my luck at the gogo's but spotted one I liked looks wise. Ended up having to buy her a couple of drinks through the night to break the ice but eventually got on well enough to agree 2500 LT and took her back to my hotel. S ex was okay-ish, but no big on offer covered or not. Then had to wake her up at 10 am and initiate another round but this was limited as she said she was sort because I was too big (I'm not).

Skipped the second night as I just wasn't feeling it but tonight gave the gogo's a try. Got hit for a couple of ladydrinks drinks in Skyfall by two girls who latched on as soon as I walked in. Not seeing anyone I liked I moved into glass house and got chatting with one of the dancers. Now I'll admit I let the lady drinks go too far as in the end it cost me 4 for her plus 2 for her friends and myself totaling 1500 baht. Agreed ST with the girl for 3 k plus 1 k BF. Went back to my hotel, sex was better but she left after barely and hour despite saying St would be 3 but claimed she would be back after 4 am once she had finished at the club. Not surprising I guess but she hasn't returned and after checking with reception it seems she didn't tell them she was going to despite telling me she would. So 6500 baht for what amounted to one 35 minute session.

This whole place just isn't what it was cracked up to be. So far it's hardly working out any cheaper than Europe and parts of the UK, the services on offer seem very limited and a total gamble, and it all seems geared towards fleecing you for as much as possible.

I've only got a couple of days left but I don't really feel like continuing to throw money at a bad situation in the hope of it improving, especially when what's on offer in terms of services seems so limited.

Any ideas how I can turn this around?

[Mr Enternational]

So 6500 baht for what amounted to one 35 minute session.

This whole place just isn't what it was cracked up to be. So far it's hardly working out any cheaper than Europe and parts of the UK, the services on offer seem very limited and a total gamble, and it all seems geared towards fleecing you for as much as possible.

Any ideas how I can turn this around?Neither my heart nor my dick have ever been in control of my wallet.

Pay after.

Next time bring a "No Man".

[Axelay]

Neither my heart nor my dick have ever been in control of my wallet.

Pay after.

Next time bring a "No Man".Fair point, but it was the Mamasan in Glass House that insisted I pay the bar fine and the girl's fee up front. Took me off guard when I had the mamasan and the girl expecting up front payment and with it being the mamasan asking it seemed like the done thing.

[Crocodilexp]

Any ideas how I can turn this around?Take control, don't let yourself be driven around. There is absolutely no need to spend 6500 for a ST. Go to Kinnaree club (in the daytime) or Soi 6 and get laid for 1000 baht + 300 for the room. Talk to freelancers and offer them 700 baht (don't ask them how much they want after they establish you're a sucker). Never buy more than one lady drink, they only signal you're a sucker to be fleeced. And even that one only after you established you might be interested in the girl. It's a reward for the girl being nice to you, not your obligation. Agogos are fleecing machines anyway, not good value.

[Banana Boi]

Never buy more than one lady drink, they only signal you're a sucker to be fleeced. If a girl hangs with me for 1 hour at a gogo bar I am a sucker for buying them more than 1 drink?

Axelay, other than my disagreement above, the rest of Croc's advise is good. I'd also add in Club 007 and Pirate Club on Soi Full Love inn to the 300 + 1000 FS options.

LK Metro is the other option if gogo clubs are your thing. Cheaper too.

Too bad you have no PM, Axelay.

[Banana Boi]

If I am with a girl at a gogo bar (or an open bar), what is a reasonable number of drinks to buy a girl over a 2 hour period?

[Wolvenvacht]

If a girl hangs with me for 1 hour at a gogo bar I am a sucker for buying them more than 1 drink?


If I am with a girl at a gogo bar (or an open bar), what is a reasonable number of drinks to buy a girl over a 2 hour period?One ladydrink should last about 15 to 20 minutes. For me that is about the time to get a good impression of her and decide if I will barfine her or not. I don't like to stay too long in bars or clubs. It is far more fun in my room.

[Christian G]

Hello guys,

I would be spending the next few days mongering in Pattaya and would really appreciate if someone could help (PM or otherwise) me with contacts of some dominatrix (I am more into femdom). Am looking at damages around 2 K.

Thanks in advance.http://www.the-castle-pattaya.com/thai-mistress.html 2 K is not enough.

[Crocodilexp]

If a girl hangs with me for 1 hour at a gogo bar I am a sucker for buying them more than 1 drink?I'm sure you know this and your question was purely rhetorical, but if you enjoy hanging out at agogo bar and feeling like a baller in that environment, go for whatever you like, it's your money and your fun. Some people genuinely enjoy ringing the bell too or throwing those ping pong balls from a bucket.

On the other hand, if your goal is to evaluate if a girl is suitable for a potential ST / LT liaison, that doesn't take an hour. That takes one lady drink max, or occasionally zero if the bar is quiet.

[Axelay]

Thanks for the replies and advice guys. I think was / am just an easy mark and wasn't expecting punting here to be such a problematic chore. It was the mamasan at glass house who insisted on the bar fine and girls fee up front which kind of threw me off and resulted in me foolishly thinking it must just be the done thing in agogo bars. I'll certainly e avoiding glass house in future.

Might try a beer bar or two tonight and see how that goes. LK Metro maybe. Kinda lost motivation to go out looking to score but no need to avoid the night life entirely. Will also take on board the advice about buying lady drinks too. I did kinda feel obliged most of the time and in Skyfall the ladies just added them on without my agreement so that's another thing to beware of.

[Banana Boi]

Just saw a little old Thai lady street vendor get struck by a scooter on Soi 6. The scooter was driven by a young Japanese guy more interested in looking at the girls in the bars than looking to see where he was going. He didn't clip her he struck her full on. Lady just kept walking after that and the Japanese guy went on his merry way without even stopping. I see so many non-thai ride these motorbikes and they look like they would barely know how to ride a bicycle.

[Banana Boi]

Thanks Wolv. I'm on the same pace 3-4 per hour, usually when a set ends. If it's a longer stay is can be reduced to 2-3 per hour.

Croc, I hang out with girls I know from the past for hours in a club with no intention to barfine them. They know full well I am likely not barfining them rather just getting some DFK and HJ in the club. I've usually had my fun at Kinnaree or soi 6 before or find a massage girl after the gogo club. LT every night at a gogo bar gets pricey when you live here. I'm not that rich.

I agree you can make an assessment of a new girl within the first minute really.

[Mr Enternational]

If I am with a girl at a gogo bar (or an open bar), what is a reasonable number of drinks to buy a girl over a 2 hour period?IMHO you should be back in the room fucking by then.

[FaceCushion]

http://www.the-castle-pattaya.com/thai-mistress.html 2 K is not enough.I am OK to go for higher damages if they they do provide what they promise. Will definitely check out this place. Any other suggestions?

[Mr Enternational]

Just saw a little old Thai lady street vendor get struck by a scooter on Soi 6. The scooter was driven by a young Japanese guy more interested in looking at the girls in the bars than looking to see where he was going. He didn't clip her he struck her full on. Lady just kept walking after that and the Japanese guy went on his merry way without even stopping. I see so many non-thai ride these motorbikes and they look like they would barely know how to ride a bicycle.Fellow must have been in Thailand for quite some time. It seems he has already learned the Thai way of doing things.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/929478-tuk-tuk-mows-down-kazakh-tourist-on-hua-hin-zebra-crossing/?utm_source=newsletter-20160704-1359&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news

[Blanquiceleste]

I just returned from a week's holiday. Spent 4 nights in Pattaya and 2 nights in Koh Samet. A few highlights of this trip –.

- Managed to root a total of 15 chicks, all of them from Isaan (surprise surprise).

- A healthy mix of online picks, random encounters and regular barfines.

- A healthy mix of short time and long time visitors.

In summary I think Pattaya is still my #1 mongering destination in SEA. Naysayers are welcome to debate and challenge this.

Field reports to follow soon. The Koh Samet chronicles will be posted in the "Other Areas" thread.

[Smily59]

Just have to repost because I can't believe, that there is no info abve such a simple subject.

Pleeeeeease.


Gents,

I enjoyed Pattaya a lot and especially liked the beer bars (and their ladies). In 2010 I was not pleased with quality and quantity and had to resort to gogos and soi6. Since then I looked for greener pastures, regrettably I have to confess I could find a little bit greener only.

Considering a trip to Pattaya at the end of this year I read the thread profoundly, but beer bars are not mentioned. So my guess is this scene is still depressing. I don't like the FL scene. Neither BR nor the clubs, action there simply starts too late for my taste.

An update on beer bars would be very much appreciated, especially making a point which areas are worth to visit (in my mind an empty bar with only 2 girls or below 6 in looks is not) BF 300 bht, ST 1200 bht, LT 2000 bht possible?

Even if you do not partake, maybe you can give us a general impression at least -.

Maybe suggest an other city. Even if the scene is smaller?

Thanks a lot guys smily.

[Christian G]

I am OK to go for higher damages if they they do provide what they promise. Thailand is not the right place for BDSM. Better you plan holiday in Germany if you want a true BDSM.


Will definitely check out this place. Any other suggestions?Not in Pattaya, have some mistress and BDSM bar in Bangkok. Like BarBar and others. You can google it.

[Christian G]

Considering a trip to Pattaya at the end of this year I read the thread profoundly, but beer bars are not mentioned. So my guess is this scene is still depressing.


Just have to repost because I can't believe, that there is no info abve such a simple subject. Pleeeeeease.Beer bars around the town is just dying. No customer, few girls and very low quality.

[Wolvenvacht]

Gents,

I enjoyed Pattaya a lot and especially liked the beer bars (and their ladies). In 2010 I was not pleased with quality and quantity and had to resort to gogos and soi6. Since then I looked for greener pastures, regrettably I have to confess I could find a little bit greener only.

Considering a trip to Pattaya at the end of this year I read the thread profoundly, but beer bars are not mentioned. So my guess is this scene is still depressing. I don't like the FL scene. Neither BR nor the clubs, action there simply starts too late for my taste.

An update on beer bars would be very much appreciated, especially making a point which areas are worth to visit (in my mind an empty bar with only 2 girls or below 6 in looks is not) BF 300 bht, ST 1200 bht, LT 2000 bht possible?

Even if you do not partake, maybe you can give us a general impression at least -.

Maybe suggest an other city. Even if the scene is smaller?

Thanks a lot guys smily.Why are beer bars not mentioned?

Simply because their crews change all the time. Girls come and go and change venue all the time and when changing bar, they usually also change their nickname. Reporting on "good" bars and "good" girls (for any naughty definition of "good") is a lost cause.

Just walk past any bar with girls and have a look. If you see someone that tickles your fancy, get inside and talk to her. Most of the beer bars are open areas so you can easily spot any talent.

Prices are open to negotiations. The figures you quote are on the lower side of average.

[Mr Enternational]

Just have to repost because I can't believe, that there is no info abve such a simple subject.

Pleeeeeease.Funny you should mention that you do not like the FL scene because A LOT of those chicks who work at bars go to FL in the discos when their bar closes.

[Blanquiceleste]

Just have to repost because I can't believe, that there is no info abve such a simple subject.

Pleeeeeease.Broadly I can indicate sections of town that have clusters of beer bars.

1. In Walking Street there are two Simon Bar complexes, one is on the right after you pass Lighthouse and the second is again on the right hand side after you are past Insomnia. You cannot miss these two complexes.

2. Drinking Street on 2nd road, opposite the Tiffany Show buiilding.

3. Soi Diana, after you cross Papagayo on your right.

4. 2nd road between Soi 13 and Soi 9 has several such beer bar complexes on both sides of the road.

5. Soi 8 and Soi 7 have a decent selection of beer bars.

6. Soi Buakhaow, Soi LK Metro and Soi Lengkee have a few.

7. Darkside bars as a last resort.

As pointed out by Wolven and Mr E you will have to do quite a bit of leg work before you find you what you might be looking for.

[Blanquiceleste]

LOS FR. Day 1 – 28 Jun.

I flew into BKK on a SQ flight that landed at 11 am. I had a smooth exit from the airport. I had arranged a taxi through VR Taxi who charges 1000 baht for the trip from Suvarnabhumi to Pattaya. The ride was quick and comfortable in a well maintained Camry and I was at my hotel reception by 1:30 pm.

I checked in and took a much needed shower, opened the bottle of whisky I picked from the duty free shop and took a good swig to get things started. A close mongering mate from many years was always scheduled to arrive by 5 pm. But he had some issues to sort and finally arrived only by 9 am on 29 Jun.

We had prepared a bit for this trip and lined up quite a few girls ahead. But as we all know these line ups can easily descend into utter chaos for a variety of reasons. So by 2. 30 pm I texted the girl I was expecting to meet by 4 pm and I was pleasantly surprised to learn that she was right on track to arrive at 4 pm. So I stepped out to pick up supplies and a local SIM card. AIS offers a 7 day data plan of 1. 5 GB for 150 baht (including the SIM card cost). Perfect!

I was back in the room at 3. 30 pm waiting for the girl to arrive. And she did at 4 pm sharp. I was almost in tears. Noy was 22, with 1 daughter, from Nong Khai. 5'2 in height, not more than 110 lbs with chocolate colour skin smooth as velvet and a great tight body. Very pretty face too. Slightly protruding upper teeth but nothing that would be called a turn off. She works in a bar on Soi 7. She loves whisky and I love a girl who loves whisky. After one drink and little conversation we were in the shower together where she quickly went down on her knees. Soon after we were on the bed for my first bang of this trip. And it was quite a bang. The girl knew exactly how to please a man in bed. Everything I wanted was done without asking. After we finished up, she asked me if I wanted her to stay long time. I told her I might swing by her bar later in the night. I slipped 1000 baht into her purse and sent her on her way with a deep kiss.

It was close to 6 pm so I decided to go for a foot massage before the next ST lineup arrived at 8 pm. And when I was in the midst of the massage I got a text from the 8 pm chick saying "I go your place now ka". I smiled at my good fortune.

This girl, Arya, is 24, no kids, pretty nicely inked and an incredibly well toned body. Apparently works at a bar on Soi Buakhow. Her skin was fair by Isaan standards and she hailed from Khorat. She did not want a drink or make any conversation. She wanted to fuck. Great, let's fuck. After a thorough pounding I let her go with 1000 baht. She was happy from the look on her face but she was clear she had come for a ST session. No other expectations. I like that in a girl.

It was 9. 30 pm and as I looked out the balcony I noticed it was raining rather heavily. My next line up, Ying, a LT prospect, was scheduled at 11 pm and I sensed a threat to my plan. I called her right away and she said exactly what I feared. "It rain so heavy ka, how I go?" I wanted to ask her if she ever heard on an invention called the umbrella, but I simply said "Mai bpen rai, you go when rain stop". I was betting on the rain to stop in an hour or so. So I dialled up some room service, turned up some classic rock and relaxed with a drink.

The rain Gods were kind to me and it stopped raining just before midnight. So I called Ying again and she said she wanted to meet at Walking Street and shake a leg. Works for me, I had planned pretty much the same thing. I met her outside 808 around 12.40 am and went upstairs. 808 was practically dead on Tuesday night. Not one girl worth looking at twice. We got ourselves a drink each. At 150 baht per drink, 808 is not exactly pricey. Next stop at Red Car. Dead. Left without a drink. We headed for Insomnia and found it was pretty decently populated for a Tuesday night. A drink each made me poorer by 300 baht. We danced for a while and I think the chemistry was right. After an hour Ying wanted to go to the room. She is a girl who like vodka so we stopped at 7/11 to pick a couple of pre-mixes. I also bought some street food and we were at the hotel room by 2. 30 am.

After a drink, some small talk and some intimate dancing we got busy. Ying is 20, from Buen Kan, no kids, no boyfriend before and is a freelancer. Slightly on the heavier side but no fat, all muscle. She is just built solid. Tight as a fish's asshole. Beautifully shaped BCups with lovely pink nipples and pinkish brown moons. Spotless body, neat round ass that I could have watched for hours. Those little butt dimples could easily hold a pair of marbles.

And to top it all, Ying wanted to go bareback. I had to oblige. And thus began a night of unbridled, passionate sex that lasted for a long time, into the wee hours of morning. Only when we lay entwined, spent and sweaty, did we realise that we had not eaten any of the food we had picked up earlier. So we washed up and ate in the balcony along with a drink to wash it down. Soon after we retired to bed, cuddled and slept like babies.

I was woken at 9 am next morning by the room phone ringing loudly. It was my mongering mate who had finally arrived. Our plan was to head to Koh Samet with a couple of girls. So I woke Ying and asked her to get ready and leave. She was slightly puzzled but nonetheless, she got dressed and was ready to leave in 30 minutes. I slipped 1500 baht into her purse and she did not blink. She asked me if I would see her again and I said I might. She was OK with that reply.

NOTE – Since the next two days were spent in Koh Samet, that part of the trip is reported under the "Other Areas" thread.

[Blanquiceleste]

LOS FR. Day 4 – 01 Jul.

We checked in and took shower, regrouped for a couple of drinks in my room and charted the plan for the day.

First stop at Soi 6 Roxy Bar. Good selection at around 3 pm. Quite a few familiar faces. Tan, Iris, Aoon (who has got a boob job now), Fon, the pair Ann & Pear. So many women to pick from. None of the girls pestered us for drinks, they were just happy to sit and chat. Low season has some advantages. I would have gone with Aoon who has the best ass in the house, but the boob job was a dampner. So I went with Fon instead. I know her from a previous visit but I had never taken her for a romp. Pretty face with sharp features, slim taut body with a pert little ass, ACups with brown nipples. Classic Isaan. No money was discussed, as I knew the pricing structure and girls knew me.

Nothing significant to write about except that it was a decent session with all the essentials thrown in. I took a fair bit of time to come, but Fon was patient with me, never once complaining or making a face about the pounding.

She had to finally finish me off with her hand and I ended by shooting my load into her mouth. Good girl, took in every drop.

It was 5 pm as we stepped out into the blazing sun. We took a baht bus back to the hotel and lounged in the pool for a while and reviewed the line up. Next on my list of a girl named Jenjira, who worked at a dental clinic as a receptionist. She shift ends at 7 pm so she could come only by 7. 30 pm or later and could not stay for long time. The idea was ST with a dinner. Now the issue was her workplace is at Na Kluea near the Lan Pho market. And she wanted to have a seafood dinner. So it made imminent sense for me to head out there to meet her and have dinner. But then, what about the sex? As I pondered on this situation with Jen, she offered a solution that sounded workable. She lived close to her workplace with a roommate who worked at the A One Star Hotel and she would not be back before 11 pm.

So I will cut to the chase here. I met her by 7. 15 pm at a place close to her clinic and we took a motorbike taxi to her room. Jen is 19, not more than 5'2 weighing in at barely 100 lbs. ACups, tight body, no kids. Hails from Maha Sarakham. Just finished high school and now works in Pattaya at this dental clinic that belongs to some chap from her home town. She had a farang boyfriend for around 4 months last year and since then she is single.

Jen was just about OK in bed. Seems like this farang had not taught her much. She was a bit cock-scared and was completely inept in the art of the BJ. I finished quickly, not wanting to give this sweet girl a hard time. We then went for the promised sea food dinner which I enjoyed thoroughly. A tad expensive at 870 baht for two people without drinks. Before leaving I slipped 500 baht into Jen's hand and told her to buy herself something nice. She looked at my with those limpid pools of brown and started crying. This happened on the street and I was embarrassed, even a bit scared. Turns out she was upset at not having pleased me enough, which was why I was not asking her to go back with me to my hotel. I wiggled out of this situation saying that I would love to invite her but I have other plans tonight. I don't think she bought it, but I was soon on my way.

It was now around 10 pm and my last line up for the night was a girl named Lek from Buriram. 24 year old, no kids, used to work earlier in a Soi 7 bar and now works at a bar in Drinking Street (DS). I called her and asked her where she was and what she wanted to do. She said that she would like to go with me to her bar for a while at least. I guess to show me off to her friends and get a few drinks out of me. Suits me fine. Since I was already in that part of town I offered to arrive directly at her bar on DS. She was thrilled at this idea.

So I took a nice long walk to her bar. On the way I called Sam to let me know of my coordinates. He agreed to meet me at DS. I reached the bar and got a drink and made myself comfortable and took in the sights that DS offered.

DS is a larger version of the Simon Bar Complex in Walking Street, a bit cheaper and largely tailored to entertain the South Asian and Middle Eastern crowds. The music was terrible. However, the bars were full of girls and I could spot several 8's in the maze of bars. But I was here for Lek, who is easily an 8. CCups, washboard flat tummy, tight perky butt, long hair that just fell beyond her waist and a chiselled face with large brown eyes. 5'1 in height and a 110 lbs.

I bought Lek and her friends and the mamasan a round of drinks. Played pool for a while and then Sam came along with his girl. He had this lovely girl named Yao with him who works at LK Renaissance. Another round of drinks followed.

And then came this Saudi gent to the bar. It was his birthday and one of the girls from the bar he was with had got him a cake. He cut the cake and got a round of shots for everyone at the bar, including me & Sam. Petrodollars at work. I went up to thank him and wish him. Exchanged a few pleasantries and returned to my seat. After a while the Saudi opened 2 bottles of Chivas and went on a binge. The next 3 rounds of drinks were all on the house. This was something I could not accept, so I stood up and asked for check bin. The Saudi was slightly miffed and he came up and requested me to stay and partake in the celebration. I politely declined, paid our bills and left, with Lek and Sam and Yao in tow. Next stop was Walking Street at a bar called Hot Tuna.

I had, in one of my previous posts mentioned Blue Sky III as the best rock bar in town. I stand corrected. Hot Tuna now wins by a mile. 150 baht a drink, great bands, good equipment and acoustics, no pushy waiters begging for drinks and lots of space. So we sat there for another hour or so, had a couple of drinks and then headed back to the hotel.

Back in the room Lek was the quintessential LBFM. She just did not let me sleep. And she was very skilled in all the ways of pleasing a man. And she knew how to edge. Kept me going for a very long time before I finally exploded inside her in doggy. And within 10 minutes she was at it again.

[Blanquiceleste]

LOS FR. Day 5 – 02 Jul.

I think I finally passed out by 6 am. And I woke at 2 pm. I expected a massive hangover as I had not eaten much and I had drunk pretty heavy. But thankfully I had none of those issues. I soon figured Sam had already got going with his day and was headed to Soi 6 after a late breakfast and a foot massage.

So I lazed some more with Lek in bed and finally got ready. She got ready too. I put 2500 baht in her purse while she was in the shower. When she stepped out I took her in my arms and kissed her and told her I have put something for her in her purse. She did not blink, just said thank you ka and was on her way out.

I went downstairs and headed to Sailor Bar on Soi 8 for a quick meal. After than I threaded my way to Soi 6 and figured that Sam was taking refuge in Route 69. When I went in, I was the only gent inside the bar and Sam had gone upstairs with his date. Since I was spent and had just eaten I had no intention of banging a chick, so I say inside at the bar and got a Long Island. Just then a lovely tall, well-endowed girl caught my attention. I called her over to chat. Her name was Kay, 26,1 daughter, from Sisaket working in Pattaya for 6 months now, previously worked at an oily in Bangkok. While standing next to me and chatting she started rubbing my crotch. I got her a drink and told her about the night before and the reason I was at her bar. She kept rubbing and asked me if she could give me a BJ right there at the bar. A BJ needs no effort from my end, so I agreed. She did not take off my shorts, so she only had the shaft to play with but this girl knew what she was doing. Lasted a full 20 minutes but I was fully spent so I could not finish. By then Sam came out. I paid my bills and gave this girl Kay another 200 baht and exchanged phone numbers for posterity and walked out into the unrelenting afternoon heat. We walked over to Beach Road and found a rash of shacks to laze in. Spent an hour there and then walked back to Soi 6 and made our way to My Friend You.

Now this little bar on Soi 6 is a proper BJ bar. And I would strongly recommend a girl named Nok at this bar. She recognized me and was very happy to see me. Sam got himself a decent pick too. But BJ bars are not to be evaluated on looks, they are evaluated on skills and attitude. And Nok had both in abundance. After a drink for myself and for her, we were on the couch opposite the bar with a curtain pulled across for privacy.

A good sloppy wet, superbly executed BJ followed which sent me into a state of euphoria. But I took much longer to finish and Nok showed no signs of fatigue or impatience. She cheerfully went on like an energizer bunny and ensured I finished after 40 minutes or so.

The bar's pricing structure is a bit steep though. 300 BF + 1000 for the BJ. Drinks are for 100 and LD is for 120. So my bill came to 1520. Sam forked out 1640. We both got out and headed back to the hotel. I was so exhausted that I entered my room and crashed. When I finally woke up it was 11 pm and it was raining like no tomorrow.

I quickly reviewed my line up and decided to call a girl named Pam but she did not respond. Then followed a string of unsuccessful calls and messages. Some did not want to go out because of rain, so were busy and some just did not respond. Fuck! Would I sleep alone tonight? Hell no. But how do I get out in this torrential rain? I was now running out of girls to call from my line up. Sam has managed to get a chick to join him before the rains came down, so he was in no pressure to get out.

I fixed myself a drink and prayed hard for the rain to stop. But the rain showed no signs of letting up anytime soon. So the next couple of hours or so were spent in anxiety. Every passing minute would make the availability scarcer. It was now past 1 am and the rain had thinned a bit but still in no condition to step out. Finally at 1. 45 am the rain settled into a drizzle and I decided to get out. I danced and dodged my way around puddles and rivulets of water and made my way to Soi 8 I had Best Bar on my mind where I had seen a few beauties dance during my last visit. A few more bars on that street that housed real girls were on my list. Else I could go over to Soi 7. Walking Street was my last option as that would always be available in some form and manner. I was now confident I would not sleep alone.

So I sat at Best Bar and found out that Germany was playing Italy in the Euro 2016 QFS. Dandy. I would be stuck now for 3 hours. I soon had company in form of 2 girls, both incredibly toned and fit, all natural stuff but poor teeth. Their names were Ploy and Pim. Both were 20, no kids. Ploy had braces so that was a certain cross. Pim's teeth were a bit distracting when she spoke. I somehow could not find the urge to talk about a night together with either of them. So I paid for 1 drink and left. Went to JD Bar next door, no one worth talking to, just 1 bottle of water to pay for. Walked up to Soi 7 and went to Piggy Bar which had some great looking girls. I first suspected they were coyotes, but I decided to investigate anyway. So, a couple of them were indeed coyotes but the majority were available to take away. I spotted a nice fair skinned girl behind the bar peering into her cell phone and I asked for her to join.

The minute I called I kicked myself for calling a girl who is stuck on her phone. But Nim came with a broad smile on her face. 22 yo, from Udon Thani, cute as a button and built like those cover models on Maxim. She was much taller than the average Thai girl, which raised an alarm bell. But my fear was soon allayed after a short conversation. I kept talking to her and watching the match. Drinks were called for. Scores level at full time thanks to a mindless play by Boateng in the box that gifted Italy a penalty to draw level. Another drink and extra time was done. A 3rd drink and the penalties gave Germany the ticket to the SF. It was almost 5 am. I asked Nim to go with me and she readily agreed. I paid for the drinks and the barfine and off we went. Back in the room, I have faint memories of seeing the first streaks of daylight seep in thru the curtains as Nim and me finished a rocking session in the sack. The girl was certainly talented and is destined for bigger things clearly. We cuddled and slept soon after.

[Blanquiceleste]

LOS FR. Day 6 03 Jul.

I was woken at noon by Nim going down on me. She followed it up with a second round that felt even better than the first. Later by 2 pm she got dressed and was ready to leave. I gave her 2000 baht plus another 100 baht and kissed her goodbye. She asked if I would come to her bar again later tonight and I replied I might.

I called in some room service and ate quickly. Today was my last day in Pattaya. Less than 24 hours left in Pattaya. After a quick bite, I called Sam to learn that he has taken off to Jade, a gentleman's club on Theppraya Road. So I headed to Soi 6 and went straight to Ruby Club to say Hello, to some of the cuties there. In particular Fha, Nok, Kwang, Cartoon and May were on my initial shortlist amongst those in attendance. After chit chatting with the girls I settled on Kwang. For the day. Kwang hails from Kalasin, 24 yo, has a kid but no signs of baby damage. She has a killer smiler and butt to die for. I was off to the races quickly. Kwang was quite ordinary in bed, perhaps a bit tired too. Unspirited BJ and mechanical sex. I did not finish and left in less than 20 minutes after I entered the room with her. Paid the standard 300 BF + 1000ST plus the bill for drinks and went back to the hotel.

My frantic messages sent the previous night were not entirely futile. Quite a few of them had replied asking to meet up. So I lined up 3 more chicks, one each at 5 pm 8 pm and 11 pm. Ding was the first one. 23 yo, from Mukdahan, slightly plump, some baby damage but had lovely CCups that I could play with for hours. But I made short work of her and sent her off with 1000 baht. Relaxed for a while with a drink and waited for Tan, a 23 yo who works at a bar named Cherry Bar at Soi Diana. She arrived on time at 8 pm. Tan was a visual delight, 23 yo, from Roi Et, illuminating smile with perfect teeth and a flawless body. Equally good in bed, I was almost tempted to ask her to stay long time, but thankfully she said she had to return to her bar to wait for her regular customer who was in Pattaya for a week. I gave her 1500 baht and she squealed in delight and said she would love to see me again.

After Tan left I started packing a bit and fixed another drink and turned up the music. My final encounter on this trip was an hour away and I would make the night count. And the last one, Wan 23 yo from Ubon Ratchathani arrived at 11.15 pm. Wan is a professional masseuse with a full time day job in a high end spa. She showed me her ID card as proof. Not that believing or disbelieving her would have made any difference to me. As soon as she entered she gave me a deep wet kiss that turned me on for no apparent reason other than I found her kiss incredibly sexy and hot. We wasted no time and got into the shower together and carried on our coital act to bed and finished in a heap after a long while. It was the most spontaneous sex I have had in a long time. The night was still young so we decided to head out to Walking Street and my natural choice was Hot Tuna. As luck would have it Wan loved this bar too and was totally into rock music.

Guys who are rock music enthusiasts must visit this bar and attend a set played by Lan Morison, a Thai guitarist par excellence. He played some incredibly complex guitar compositions by Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck and Gary Moore. But the highlight of his set was the guitar rendition of Beethoven's Symphony No. 5 in see minor. It simply brought the entire bar in attendance to its feet. I was really happy I came here. Wan was very happy too.

Soon after we headed to The Pier to shake a leg but the crowd was quite unruly so we left in less than 20 minutes. It was now nearly 2 am so I suggested we go back to the room. Wan was hungry so we bought some grub and went back. I realised I was a bit hungry too.

Back in the room Wan fed me and ate the food we had picked up. After that dinner we both had another round of drinks and chatted for a while. Then we quietly retired to bed without any creative use of time.

Come morning light, I was woken up by Wan who had brushed and showered, and made tea for us. She woke me ever so gently by caressing my forehead and kissing my eyes. I pulled her into bed and soon went for one last round, which lasted much lesser than usual.

I knew my trip was coming to an end and I had found this gem of a keeper on the last day. What a pity. I told her I have to leave by noon. She said she understands and hopes to see me again soon. She protested as I put 2500 baht in her purse, but I insisted and said that if I had time I would buy you a gift and not give you cash. But since I don't have time, I want you to buy yourself something nice and show me a picture later. I wanted to ensure I pay so that there is no false expectation created here. We both knew what we were thinking. She smiled and said "I understand, man butterfly". I hugged her tightly and kissed her for one last time and left her go.

Sam had also packed up and was ready to leave. Our taxi to Suvarnabhumi arrived sharp at 11.30 am, arranged through VR Taxi. A swift ride to the airport and the trip was over. I have a severe hangover of the girls I met on this trip, all of them from Isaan. And thus these post are dedicated to the lovely daughters of Isaan.

[Mogwai]

This whole place just isn't what it was cracked up to be. So far it's hardly working out any cheaper than Europe and parts of the UK, the services on offer seem very limited and a total gamble, and it all seems geared towards fleecing you for as much as possible.

I've only got a couple of days left but I don't really feel like continuing to throw money at a bad situation in the hope of it improving, especially when what's on offer in terms of services seems so limited.

Any ideas how I can turn this around?I think your expectations are too high, a common rookie 'mistake'. You're in the #1 mongering destination of the world (according to many guys anyway) and you think that automatically means you'll have the best sex ever. However the reality is you have to learn how to monger in a place like this, where there's so much on offer, and that takes patience and time. And many return visits, a good excuse to go there as often as you can LOL!

You have to learn how to deal with the go go girls, bar girls, freelancers, massage girls, Soi 6 girls etcetera. It's simply a matter of trial and error. And reading this forum of course.
And you have to find out what suits you best. Are you a go go guy? A Beach Road guy? Soi 6? Disco's?

The reality is also that Pattaya has gone down hill a lot. Finding a nice girl who gives good service is not as easy anymore as it used to be.
It's hard to give exact numbers because I never keep track of it but nowadays maybe 2 or 3 girls out of 10 are really worth repeating. The rest is average at best.

[Christian G]

The bar's pricing structure is a bit steep though. 300 BF + 1000 for the BJ. Drinks are for 100 and LD is for 120. So my bill came to 1520.What? 1000 b plus BF for BJ only? Really? They are absolutely out of mind.

[Member #4591]

What? 1000 b plus BF for BJ only? Really? They are absolutely out of mind.I don't think they are out of their minds. If you were getting full service the 1000 Baht would be 2,000-3,000 Baht. Maybe you should go back to either India or the 80's.

[Christian G]

I don't think they are out of their minds. If you were getting full service the 1000 Baht would be 2,000-3,000 Baht. Maybe you should go back to either India or the 80's.I don't need your suggestion where I should go or not. 1000 b + 300 is the standard price for FULL SERVICE in soi6. So asking this price price for a BJ only is absolutley no sense and out of market. Lolxtas is 700 b all in for BJ. Around city all the BJ bars ask for 500 b + 300 b. Also in Bkk price in BJ bar is 7/800 b.

[Sunlover2]

What? 1000 b plus BF for BJ only? Really? They are absolutely out of mind.The bar is not out of their mind for asking; it is the punters who need to re-assess their mind set if they are willing to pay that price.

SL.

[Member #4591]

I don't need your suggestion where I should go or not. 1000 b + 300 is the standard price for FULL SERVICE in soi6. So asking this price price for a BJ only is absolutley no sense and out of market. Lolxtas is 700 b all in for BJ. Around city all the BJ bars ask for 500 b + 300 b. Also in Bkk price in BJ bar is 7/800 b.. Thanks for sharing.

[Christian G]

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[Franco Cozzo]

1000 b + 300 is the standard price for FULL SERVICE in soi6. So asking this price price for a BJ only is absolutley no sense and out of market. Lolxtas is 700 b all in for BJ. Around city all the BJ bars ask for 500 b + 300 b. Also in Bkk price in BJ bar is 7/800 b.I'd thought My Friend You was always the regular BJ Bar price of 700 or 800 be too, and this is the place the original guy was referring too. I'm sure I've started a fair few mornings here or at Click bar for a cheapy BJ whilst getting ready for a larger day. Soi 6 regulars, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Blanquiceleste]

I don't need your suggestion where I should go or not. 1000 b + 300 is the standard price for FULL SERVICE in soi6. So asking this price price for a BJ only is absolutley no sense and out of market. Lolxtas is 700 b all in for BJ. Around city all the BJ bars ask for 500 b + 300 b. Also in Bkk price in BJ bar is 7/800 b.CG you are right about the standard price FS at any Soi 6 bar. I had two sessions, one each in Ruby Club and Roxy bar and I paid 1000ST + 300 BF in both places. My Friend You's price is a bit over the top and I discovered that only AFTER I got the service. No way to argue on price after you have gone thru with the act.

My bad to assume that it would be the same as any other BJ bar. As you rightly said, all other BJ bars like Bar de la Poste, Telephone, Red Lounge, Club 4, 007 all change 700/800 + 300 for a BJ. #.

That said, I was happy to pay 1000 + 300 for the service I got. Its my money and I am free to spend it the way I wish.

Did I get conned? Yes.

Do I mind? No. I over paid 300 baht. I will make it up elsewhere by negotiating better.

Will I go there again? Yes.

Will I discuss price ahead of the act? Yes.

Now I will brace myself for a tongue lashing from Mr E.

[Mr Enternational]

I'd thought My Friend You was always the regular BJ Bar price of 700 or 800 be too, and this is the place the original guy was referring too. I'm sure I've started a fair few mornings here or at Click bar for a cheapy BJ whilst getting ready for a larger day. Soi 6 regulars, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.As I reported last month when I was in Soi 6 and everytime from always ever, they can tell you any price. It is on you to NEGOTIATE. I think my total bill on Soi 6 last time was 1000 which included a drink for me, lady drink, room, BBBJ, and fucking. Of course they wanted more, but I talked them down.

LOL Blanq. I just read your last post after I wrote this. I had to get on my boy last time too. It was his first time in Thailand. He met a chick in the disco who works in 007. We went there the next day to see her and he paid whatever their asking price was. I think he gave his chick the asking price when we were on Soi 6 too. But like you said it is water under the bridge now.

[NoviceJoe]

I have a thing for Russian girls which was unfortunate for me during my short stay in Pattaya. I went to this club called Crazy Horse and I was impressed by the quality of girls and the nice surrounding with pole in the middle for the girls to undress and swing on. The bad news about this club is the prices are way too expensive! A simple lap dance can go for as much as 3000 baht and if you want to take the girl off premises for just a few hours you will have to shell out 15,000 baht.

Fellow mongers I urge you to stay away it's just not worth it! Pussy should never be so pricey as this!

[Smily59]

Beer bars around the town is just dying. No customer, few girls and very low quality.Thanks Blanque, Mr. Ent, Wolvenvacht and you for answering. Sooooo, they are not really an option -too bad.

You guys are right about legwork and changes and I did not expect something specific saveral month in advance. Just the general picture and CG confirmed that ot is not shooting fish in a barrel.

Anyway have a good time S.

[Member #4698]

LOS FR. Day 1 28 Jun.

We had prepared a bit for this trip and lined up quite a few girls ahead. But as we all know these line ups can easily descend into utter chaos for a variety of reasons. So by 2. 30 pm I texted the girl I was expecting to meet by 4 pm and I was pleasantly surprised to learn that she was right on track to arrive at 4 pm.

And she did at 4 pm sharp. I was almost in tears. Noy was 22, with 1 daughter, from Nong Khai. 5'2 in height, not more than 110 lbs with chocolate colour skin smooth as velvet and a great tight body. Very pretty face too. She works in a bar on Soi 7. She loves whisky and I love a girl who loves whisky.

I got a text from the 8 pm chick saying "I go your place now ka". I smiled at my good fortune. This girl, Arya, is 24, no kids, pretty nicely inked and an incredibly well toned body. Apparently works at a bar on Soi Buakhow. She did not want a drink or make any conversation. She wanted to fuck. Great, let's fuck.

It was 9. 30 pm and as I looked out the balcony I noticed it was raining rather heavily. My next line up, Ying, a LT prospect, was scheduled at 11 pm and I sensed a threat to my plan. I called her right away and she said exactly what I feared. "It rain so heavy ka, how I go?" The rain Gods were kind to me and it stopped raining just before midnight. So I called Ying again and she said she wanted to meet at Walking Street and shake a leg. Works for me, I had planned pretty much the same thing. I met her outside 808 around 12.40 am and went upstairs. She is a girl who like vodka so we stopped at 7/11 to pick a couple of pre-mixes. I also bought some street food and we were at the hotel room by 2. 30 am.

And to top it all, Ying wanted to go bareback. I had to oblige. And thus began a night of unbridled, passionate sex that lasted for a long time. I was woken at 9 am next morning by the room phone ringing loudly. It was my mongering mate who had finally arrived. Our plan was to head to Koh Samet with a couple of girls.

NOTE Since the next two days were spent in Koh Samet, that part of the trip is reported under the "Other Areas" thread.Blanquiceleste, I think your trip report so far is a gem. I have not finished reading it all yet. I am taking my time because I like the story line so much.

My thought on day 1: It is not that easy to prearrange a trifecta for your first day in town and have everything come off almost flawlessly. You made it seem easy, but actually I know it takes skill. It sure sounds like it was an auspicious beginning.

And I just finished reading your Koh Samet side trip post. Oh yeah, your ex Iron girls, Gib and Nam, both sound amazing in every way and I can really relate to the way they helped instigate and set up the simultaneous / independent threesomes for you guys with beach bar honeys, Meaw and Son, respectively. I would not have wanted to leave Koh Samet. 555.

So I look forward to reading the rest of your trip posts tomorrow. I just wanted to tell you that I enjoyed savoring the memories of your good times. I had some amazing threesomes on my last trip too. I am looking forward to many more on my next trip.

NB

[Mr Enternational]

Thanks Blanque, Mr. Ent, Wolvenvacht and you for answering. Sooooo, they are not really an option -too bad.BS brother. Anywhere in Pattaya that you see a woman, there is an option!

[Wolvenvacht]

Thanks Blanque, Mr. Ent, Wolvenvacht and you for answering. Sooooo, they are not really an option -too bad.

You guys are right about legwork and changes and I did not expect something specific saveral month in advance. Just the general picture and CG confirmed that ot is not shooting fish in a barrel.

Anyway have a good time S.If "shooting fish in a barrel" is your fancy, then head over to Soi 6. Anyone can be balls deep inside an Issan cutie in less than 5 minutes after you have spotted her.

[Banana Boi]

Thanks so much for the reviews, Blanq. Great read. BTW where is Drinking Street?

As for the beer bars, since I stayed on Soi 8 the first week here I walked up and down Soi 7 and Soi 8 numerous times. I only saw 3 girls I would have considered. Bad part is I saw them all the SAME night! They were definitely in the minority at 25 and under. I shake my head and wonder who would pick up or even buy some of these women drinks. Have also walked along the Areca Lodge street and seen nothing to my liking. For those who don't know me I am a VERY picky person and face comes first.

[Christian G]

Thanks so much for the reviews, Blanq. Great read. BTW where is Drinking Street?

As for the beer bars, since I stayed on Soi 8 the first week here I walked up and down Soi 7 and Soi 8 numerous times. I only saw 3 girls I would have considered. Bad part is I saw them all the SAME night! They were definitely in the minority at 25 and under. I shake my head and wonder who would pick up or even buy some of these women drinks. Have also walked along the Areca Lodge street and seen nothing to my liking. For those who don't know me I am a VERY picky person and face comes first.Drinking street is on second road, north pattaya, around soi2.

Last month I had same feeling walk up and down soi7/8 and I'm not so picky.

[Naked Gunz]

I am a VERY picky person and face comes first.Body comes first for moi. Turn off the light they all look the same. Pattaya Isaan women are the rejects of Thailand. Waaay over fucked, used and abused.

[Member #4591]

CG you are right about the standard price FS at any Soi 6 bar. I had two sessions, one each in Ruby Club and Roxy bar and I paid 1000ST + 300 BF in both places. My Friend You's price is a bit over the top and I discovered that only AFTER I got the service. No way to argue on price after you have gone thru with the act.

My bad to assume that it would be the same as any other BJ bar. As you rightly said, all other BJ bars like Bar de la Poste, Telephone, Red Lounge, Club 4, 007 all change 700/800 + 300 for a BJ. #.

That said, I was happy to pay 1000 + 300 for the service I got. Its my money and I am free to spend it the way I wish.

Did I get conned? Yes.

Do I mind? No. I over paid 300 baht. I will make it up elsewhere by negotiating better.

Will I go there again? Yes.

Will I discuss price ahead of the act? Yes.

Now I will brace myself for a tongue lashing from Mr E.You hardly got conned when we are talking about anything under 500 Baht. Don't listen to these cheap Charlies.

[Member #4591]

Guys just a harmless comment but it needs to be said. Please don't come on here and cry about being overcharged for amounts such as 500 Baht. If you can't afford to pay an extra 500 Baht over the so called going rate, then you should not even be coming to Thaialnd. Every lady has the right to ask for whatever she wants. It's her body and frankly I'm tired of the price police on here.

[Phoenix949]

Guys just a harmless comment but it needs to be said. Please don't come on here and cry about being overcharged for amounts such as 500 Baht. If you can't afford to pay an extra 500 Baht over the so called going rate, then you should not even be coming to Thaialnd. Every lady has the right to ask for whatever she wants. It's her body and frankly I'm tired of the price police on here.BKKDOG,

Its not the additional bahts you pay is the System, every strict businessman has to buy his "goods" at the very best Price. So if we start and get slumpy with here some more bath and there some more baht by the end the market is totally destroyed. Sure expenses everywhere are inc raising, but please Keep our "Business" here still affordable for everybody. And for all Newcomers please be Price consistent and not even think to overpay! All lucky monger will be thankfully to you.

[Mr Enternational]

Guys just a harmless comment but it needs to be said. Please don't come on here and cry about being overcharged for amounts such as 500 Baht. If you can't afford to pay an extra 500 Baht over the so called going rate, then you should not even be coming to Thaialnd. Every lady has the right to ask for whatever she wants. It's her body and frankly I'm tired of the price police on here.It is more of being a shopper's advocate than being the price police. If you could tell me how to save money for purchasing an identical product, then I surely would not blow you off and scream do not tell me how to spend my money. It is not about not having it to spend. It is about not paying it when it is not necessary. You should not look at it as a monetary amount because that tells you nothing. As businesses do, you should look at it as a percentage. If you can get the chick for 1000 but you paid 1500, then you should look at it as paying 50% more than you should have.

[Mr Enternational]

And why is it that some guys get so defensive when it comes to paying for pussy? If I was to say you know you can go online and put this code in and it will automatically drop 30% off your plane ticket, room at the Marriott, taxi ride to Pattaya, etc, nobody would reply for me not to come on here telling them how they can save 30%; and say if someone could not afford to pay the extra 30% then they should not be going to Pattaya in the first place. They would be breaking their necks to get to the website and put the code in.

But when it comes to paying for pussy, it seems many people want to have a dick measuring contest and try to prove that they can afford to pay the larger amount and attempt to shame the people who tell them they could get it for less.

Fortunately for me, I do not shame easily. I introduce myself to the girls as Mr. Cheap Charlie. So those types of methods of trying to shame me into paying more do not work.

[Sunlover2]

It is more of being a shopper's advocate than being the price police. If you could tell me how to save money for purchasing an identical product, then I surely would not blow you off and scream do not tell me how to spend my money. It is not about not having it to spend. It is about not paying it when it is not necessary.This pretty much sums it up. The ladies do not think you are generous when you overpay, they think you are a chump who does not know the local prices when you overpay.

SL.

[IllusionHeart]

LOS FR. Day 6 03 Jul.
Blanqui, nice FR. You seem to have had a great trip as always. Good mix and match of options available for picking girls. It's a refreshing change for me to see non gogo and coconut bar FR.

I hope to have similar fun in the upcoming trip.

[Amjeck]

So if we start and get slumpy with here some more bath and there some more baht by the end the market is totally destroyed. ........ And for all Newcomers please be Price consistent and not even think to overpay! The market is already destroyed. It's horrifying to see such dogs getting north of 2 k for ST in Pattaya now.

[Wolvenvacht]

BKKDOG,

Its not the additional bahts you pay is the System, every strict businessman has to buy his "goods" at the very best Price. So if we start and get slumpy with here some more bath and there some more baht by the end the market is totally destroyed. Sure expenses everywhere are inc raising, but please Keep our "Business" here still affordable for everybody. And for all Newcomers please be Price consistent and not even think to overpay! All lucky monger will be thankfully to you.Oh please! The people on ISG are such a tiny minority of the "market" that even if all off a sudden we all start paying 10 times the usual rate it wouldn't move the market either up or down.

You seem to have a very naive idea about how markets work or do you really believe that every morning a committee of working girls convenes to analyse market trends and set the rates for the next night?

[Banana Boi]

The few of us on ISG can't stop the Japanese wrecking ball regarding pricing. They've already destroyed it long before I got here. I'm trying my best to get the best price and it has become a bit of a game to me. However, if a super hot gogo girl decides she won't go with me for under 2500 ST then I need to decide to spend a bit more or go with a dog for 1000. Personally, I'm always going for the best looker possible.

[Goatscrot]

The market is already destroyed. It's horrifying to see such dogs getting north of 2 k for ST in Pattaya now.Same in Bangkok. And to top it off they try to make the ST as short as possible. Have a friend in NYC. He can get ultra hot Russian gals for 200 USD per hour. As many pops as you can. Gals are skilled, know how to seduce, and bring sexy clothes with them. With BF in Pattaya and BKK you are well north of 100 USD and you are not even getting a full hour. Usually the gals are not that skilled ether. Now, you tell me which place is value for money?

[Mr Enternational]

However, if a super hot gogo girl decides she won't go with me for under 2500 ST then I need to decide to spend a bit more or go with a dog for 1000.Why do you work with the premise that the 2500 baht girl is super hot and the 1000 baht girl is a dog?

[Sunlover2]

Why do you work with the premise that the 2500 baht girl is super hot and the 1000 baht girl is a dog?LOL it's simple math. If a 9 looks lady asks 2,500 baht then the lady who asks 1,000 baht *must* be a 3. 6 looks (9 x 1000/2500) it is an efficiently tiered market after all.

Same thinking is venue based: all Beach Road ladies *must* be horrid, all Lower Suk freelancers *must* be well past their sell date, all BJ shop ladies *must* be skanks.

SL.

[Sunlover2]

Same in Bangkok. And to top it off they try to make the ST as short as possible. Have a friend in NYC. He can get ultra hot Russian gals for 200 USD per hour. As many pops as you can. Gals are skilled, know how to seduce, and bring sexy clothes with them. With BF in Pattaya and BKK you are well north of 100 USD and you are not even getting a full hour. Usually the gals are not that skilled ether. Now, you tell me which place is value for money?If I had 7,000 baht to spend in Bangkok and looking to match VFM as compared to your friends experience I would do 3 x a two hour session at the PSE oilies.

IMO three different ladies / six hours / decent+ looks / decent+ performance compares favorably to one lady / one hour / hot looks / well skilled.

SL.

[Traveler1234]

Oh please! The people on ISG are such a tiny minority of the "market" that even if all off a sudden we all start paying 10 times the usual rate it wouldn't move the market either up or down.
Most common sense post re the subject! ISG -- like it or not, it's the truth.

[Phoenix949]

Oh please! The people on ISG are such a tiny minority of the "market" that even if all off a sudden we all start paying 10 times the usual rate it wouldn't move the market either up or down.

You seem to have a very naive idea about how markets work or do you really believe that every morning a committee of working girls convenes to analyse market trends and set the rates for the next night?Maybe you misunderstood my comments wrong. I not think that there needs a committee to fix the Prices, the chicks do it for themselves as they talk to each others about this topic. If is easy to ask for 2000 or 2500, why should they accept less, that's why our mongers friends Need to be more carefully. If there is no way to negotiate and accept directly then we will pay in not so Long time 3000 or 3500 or even more. The try to slow down the pace of increasing the rate. Be more reluctant in negotiations.

[LittleBigMan]

And why is it that some guys get so defensive when it comes to paying for pussy? If I was to say you know you can go online and put this code in and it will automatically drop 30% off your plane ticket, room at the Marriott, taxi ride to Pattaya, etc, nobody would reply for me not to come on here telling them how they can save 30%; and say if someone could not afford to pay the extra 30% then they should not be going to Pattaya in the first place. They would be breaking their necks to get to the website and put the code in.

But when it comes to paying for pussy, it seems many people want to have a dick measuring contest and try to prove that they can afford to pay the larger amount and attempt to shame the people who tell them they could get it for less.

Fortunately for me, I do not shame easily. I introduce myself to the girls as Mr. Cheap Charlie. So those types of methods of trying to shame me into paying more do not work.I'm not taking sides, just going to comment not criticizing anyone but throwing in my 2 cent in a humorous way I guess?

Talking about price is as old as the profession itself. Same as looks service etc. Etc. It just goes on and on. That is why I do not criticize anyone as to what they do especially when I do not know the person at all. What I do know is when it comes to pussy people are going to make up a whole lot of reasons even when it sounds stupid. I can attest first hand from family and friends who have visited me through the years regardless how smart and successful they are in their lives as soon as they get off the airplane something happens to them. Thailand is considered the Land of Smile, but for the mongers it is the Land of Stupid, as soon as they walk out of Immigration and smell the air and absorb the heat their Will and Brain has been taken over. How they normally think at home? How one got to be so successful in life it makes one wonder? I've come to know the answer? It is pussy! That is mans weakness pure and simple!

I've heard from some very smart and well off people say such things as " I pay extra because she gives me good service " when I and others had her much less. " I do what I do because I'm a nice guy and have a good heart " like if I pay the going rate or less I'm a bad person? The best one is " Thais are poor so I give them more to help them and their family " like if I pay the going rate or less I do not care. One time a very close family and another very close friend complaint about ditching them because they felt they were driving up the price of pussy. They told me all of above and not trying to take sides but told them I didn't blame them and added since I was like a brother to them what I thought. That I wouldn't talk too loud because people would think you guys were stupid? As for helping families and having such a good heart you guys are paying for my dinner, we can go to the corner of Sukhumvit to throw cash out on the road and after I will take both of you to the orphanage to donate some money. I blasted them my whole life I've never seen them visit a church or took the time to volunteer for a good cause now they were going to be the Saint of Thailand. I heard and sometimes I think I've seen it all? But I now conclude no matter what I think or say I just tell them " Enjoy yourself don't make stupid excuses except the criticism because no matter how often you visit or how long you have lived here everyone pays their dues and make mistakes.

Price question and debate will continue forever as long as the profession exist. It is no more annoying than mongers coming on the board asking where can I find the most beautiful girls, where are the biggest tits, should I visit the Go Go, Gentlemen clubs, Beer Bar, Soapy, and yes the thing with I can get it for free because I'm young and handsome? There is nothing for free in life, sooner or later it comes back and bit you in the ass? Then there are the few who just come on the board gather information provide no reports then complaint about any subject not directly related to pussy. Then there are guys like myself who just come to lurk now.

Thailand is not the same look around the world as it turns nothing is the same. People come to experience the past when they do not find it complain things have change? If they found the past GFE, PSE, the pussy would be bigger and deeper than the black hole and one would hope the cum facial she has been taking would hopefully keep her young while she wait for you to return. So people if you come or don't come but I suggest if you do. Read the board gather the information use it as a guide because nothing is a sure thing, hit all the venues find out for yourself because like a cheap suit it goes out of style, places open and close girls come and go. What get old today will come back tomorrow but the price you once pay will be gone. Sure what you overpay isn't going to affect the market but it does have a affect over time because stupid doesn't just affect mongers?


My best advice for anyone coming to Thailand is after years, months, and hours on the airplane with a internal building up of cum, instead of looking for the right girl etc. Pay what you want but unload the white lava pressure right away! That is the only way to clear your head so you can think straight the rest of your trip. I remember years ago the favorite thing for me was hit up a place like Sanzuke, After hours on the plane, check in the hotel in Bangkok, get a 1 plus hour salt massage srub baht with a happy send off. Another was a quick visit to Baron, or Rin (butterball) for her famous ball massage. Enjoy fellas.

[FL Hawk]

Why do you work with the premise that the 2500 baht girl is super hot and the 1000 baht girl is a dog?Not sure that he did. We all know there are plenty of dogs in the gogo clubs and that there are a few gems on Soi 6. You just have to go out and find who you like and decide how much you are willing to pay. Sometimes you can negotiate, other times not so much. (But I have never studied at the feet of the great master, Mr. E, either!) But given the choice between a 1000 dog on WS or a 2500 hottie on Soi 6, I agree with Banana Boy and will go for the hottie.

[Mr Enternational]

After hours on the plane, check in the hotel in Bangkok, get a 1 plus hour salt massage srub baht with a happy send off. Another was a quick visit to Baron, or Rin (butterball) for her famous ball massage.Rin has some of the best pussy I have had to this day. I told her that I would marry her. I wonder what ever happened to her. Did she actually work at Subway Sandwich Shop or was there some other thing called Subway that she worked at?

[LittleBigMan]

Rin has some of the best pussy I have had to this day. I told her that I would marry her. I wonder what ever happened to her. Did she actually work at Subway Sandwich Shop or was there some other thing called Subway that she worked at?Damn, you are truly Mr. E? you had her too? Rin was a cutie when she was young. I haven't seen her in a few years like four or five. Last time was when she sold her shop told me she got tired of paying the BIB like 40,000 a month. She was for sure the oldest and heaviest I've done in Thailand. I never felt she was fat she was build like what we called a Fireplug? There was only two women I knew in Thailand when you pay for 2 hours oil massage actually got a good massage and extra for 2 hours. This women could give a back and bun massage, I once counted her stroking my buns each side 100 times. To this day I should have nightmares but when she had you turn over started on the ball massage, when you couldn't take anymore she took her top off (nice rack) and took off those grannies panties and hung them up which covered the whole door it was too late to run. I do not know what it is like fucking a butter ball base turkey but she comes the closes. This women you didn't need any help with chemicals her ball massages would have your flag pole up get you talking crazy stuff like you love her and want to take her overnight. She always looked at me like I was crazy whether I was serious or not? Now that was one of those good old days.

[Crocodilexp]

LOL it's simple math. If a 9 looks lady asks 2,500 baht then the lady who asks 1,000 baht *must* be a 3. 6 looks (9 x 1000/2500) it is an efficiently tiered market after all.

Same thinking is venue based: all Beach Road ladies *must* be horrid, all Lower Suk freelancers *must* be well past their sell date, all BJ shop ladies *must* be skanks.Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or speaking straight. If it's sarcasm, I fully agree.

Venue might have some bearing on average looks on offer, but good looking individuals can be found all over the place... at least that was the case some years ago, these days I get an impression almost *all* Pattaya working girls are well below average Thai female looks, maybe even the bottom quarterly (if you compare, say, to girls on the BTS in Bangkok).

[Mr Enternational]

Damn, you are truly Mr. E? you had her too? Rin was a cutie when she was young. I haven't seen her in a few years like four or five.It has been that long since I have seen her too. I never go to Bangkok anymore, but when she had the shop I had to take my brother and my dad there for the balls massage their first time in Thailand. I asked her how she came up with it and she said a customer came in and wanted her to do it and showed her how. I guess she was a natural because that was definitely her calling.

[Member #4591]

It is more of being a shopper's advocate than being the price police. If you could tell me how to save money for purchasing an identical product, then I surely would not blow you off and scream do not tell me how to spend my money. It is not about not having it to spend. It is about not paying it when it is not necessary. You should not look at it as a monetary amount because that tells you nothing. As businesses do, you should look at it as a percentage. If you can get the chick for 1000 but you paid 1500, then you should look at it as paying 50% more than you should have.Price police, shoppers advocate, call it what you want but it's getting extremely boring.

[Member #4591]

Guys, what the * I'm going to Pattaya next week from Bangkok and I was hoping to read some current reports but it's impossible. This whole thread is Cheap Charlies complaining and pleading about not to pay too much!

[Sunlover2]

Guys, what the * I'm going to Pattaya next week from Bangkok and I was hoping to read some current reports but it's impossible. This whole thread is Cheap Charlies complaining and pleading about not to pay too much!While running down your fellow ISG members is a hard habit to break; perhaps if you stop complaining yourself and directly ask some specific questions regarding your areas of interest, folks will behave more to your liking.

SL.

[Goatscrot]

Guys, what the * I'm going to Pattaya next week from Bangkok and I was hoping to read some current reports but it's impossible. This whole thread is Cheap Charlies complaining and pleading about not to pay too much!That ought to tell you something. With so many people complaining; there must be something wrong. And it's simple; the value for money is just not there anymore. If it was great then no one would be complaining.

[Daddy07]

That ought to tell you something. With so many people complaining; there must be something wrong. And it's simple; the value for money is just not there anymore. If it was great then no one would be complaining.I tell the go-go girls who approach me that my name is Kee Neeow and I'm a butterfly. They always laugh; and somehow, someway many of them – not all, but the ones who like cheerful smiling old men -- still give me their phone numbers, come to my condo, or meet me before work; I never pay bar fines; and I still manage to get laid as much as I want. So I can tell you that nothing is wrong in Pattaya; I can still get value for my money; and I'm not complaining. If an old fart like me can do it, so can you.

[Member #4591]

While running down your fellow ISG members is a hard habit to break; perhaps if you stop complaining yourself and directly ask some specific questions regarding your areas of interest, folks will behave more to your liking.

SL.



That ought to tell you something. With so many people complaining; there must be something wrong. And it's simple; the value for money is just not there anymore. If it was great then no one would be complaining.


As a wise member of ISG once said, or 2 members, search the forum, all the answers are there. I'm looking for an up to date report about what's going on in Pattaya and it's impossible with all this price complaining. I'm not looking for any specific questions to be answered. For example, how's Insomnia these days, what are the quality of girls like this past week. I should just be able to read the forum and enjoy it to get these answers. Instead, it's full of all this negative crap. If you don't like Thaialnd, one can go elsewhere instead of complaining.

In the end, every woman and man has their price to pay and accept. Deal with it and monger within your means. It is and always has been supply and demand. I'm sick of the Cheap Charlies and now even you two have jumped on the band wagon with them. Are times tough for the two of you now?

[Member #4591]

I tell the go-go girls who approach me that my name is Kee Neeow and I'm a butterfly. They always laugh; and somehow, someway many of them not all, but the ones who like cheerful smiling old men -- still give me their phone numbers, come to my condo, or meet me before work; I never pay bar fines; and I still manage to get laid as much as I want. So I can tell you that nothing is wrong in Pattaya; I can still get value for my money; and I'm not complaining. If an old fart like me can do it, so can you.Well said and intelligent to boot.

[Daddy07]

I'm looking for an up to date report about what's going on in Pattaya and it's impossible with all this price complaining. Lighten up BKKdog; it can't be that bad. If I remember correctly you're getting all you can handle on the Internet chat sites now. So why let a few cheap Charlie's bother you? You want an up to date report on what's going on in Pattaya now. That's a rather broad request isn't it? Whatever you want is here; I can tell you that regardless of your budget. So cheer up and enjoy!

[Member #4591]

Lighten up BKKdog; it can't be that bad. If I remember correctly you're getting all you can handle on the Internet chat sites now. So why let a few cheap Charlie's bother you? You want an up to date report on what's going on in Pattaya now. That's a rather broad request isn't it? Whatever you want is here; I can tell you that regardless of your budget. So cheer up and enjoy!The chat apps are getting a little stale so I'm trying to Mix it up a bit. It's not a broad request actually. I just want to be able to read the forum and not have to weed through all the crap about the prices being too high and how good it was in the olden days. Anyways cheers mate.

[Mr Enternational]

I'm looking for an up to date report about what's going on in Pattaya and it's impossible with all this price complaining. I'm not looking for any specific questions to be answered. For example, how's Insomnia these days, what are the quality of girls like this past week. I should just be able to read the forum and enjoy it to get these answers. Instead, it's full of all this negative crap. If you don't like Thaialnd, one can go elsewhere instead of complaining.

In the end, every woman and man has their price to pay and accept. Deal with it and monger within your means. It is and always has been supply and demand. I'm sick of the Cheap Charlies and now even you two have jumped on the band wagon with them. Are times tough for the two of you now?The only negative crap I see on here is coming from you. Who is here complaining about price? What I see is more reports of you saying people are complaining about price and calling people cheap charlies and saying what you don't want to read (did Jackson die and leave ISG to you?) than there have been of someone saying anything about price. Since you know so much about price but don't seem to know much about anything else (biitching that you can't find an Insomnia report and don't know the quality of the women there), please at least fill us in on how much we should be paying the ladies of Pattaya.

In the 10 years that I have been going to Pattaya not much has changed. You go find a chick, fuck her, and give her money. Besides that everyone has different tastes and YMMV. We look forward to your Insomnia reports you big spender you.

[Haven123]

(did Jackson die and leave ISG to you?) .Anyone know if this is true? Hey, Jackson dude: You still alive and kicking? LOL!

[Goatscrot]

As a wise member of ISG once said, or 2 members, search the forum, all the answers are there. I'm looking for an up to date report about what's going on in Pattaya and it's impossible with all this price complaining. I'm not looking for any specific questions to be answered. For example, how's Insomnia these days, what are the quality of girls like this past week. I should just be able to read the forum and enjoy it to get these answers. Instead, it's full of all this negative crap. If you don't like Thaialnd, one can go elsewhere instead of complaining.

In the end, every woman and man has their price to pay and accept. Deal with it and monger within your means. It is and always has been supply and demand. I'm sick of the Cheap Charlies and now even you two have jumped on the band wagon with them. Are times tough for the two of you now?Should, would. Could. The forum is different things to different people. Price is definitely up for discussion.

Cheap Charlie? Hardly. I do expect value for money, and sorry at the prices many dudes are paying today most Thai gals are not good value for money. I mean really, how many Thai gals have you had that your would describe as amazing in bed? How many really know their way around a man's anatomy and can take you to the brink, bring you down, and back up again? How many experiment with different techniques? How many are seductive in the room in manner and dress? In my experience; not many. The allure of Thailand was never amazingly skilled gals; it was volume, fun, and low cost. Well, at least for me and for many of the punters that I know. The fact that you could have a gal for 25 USD in BKK and 500 Baht in Patters was wonderful. At that price expectations were low as well. Who cares how great she is when you are paying 1 k Baht? Hell, it's worth that even if she is a bit of a starfish and it's only a really short ST, even a quickie. But now you are talking 4 times that price or more in many instances. And hey, I don't know about you but even counting for inflation there are very few things that have gone up percentage wise like that. Again, I have no issue paying that kind of money for a great looking girl who posses the skills and delivers the experience to warrant that type of money. Remember we live in a nation where the average income is still about 500 USD per month. Now let's contrast that with NYC where people make real money. Friends there are getting great looking Russian gals for 200 USD per hour. MSOG, GFE, PSE, seduction, great skill sets. Find me Thai gals like that and I will gladly shell out the 4-5 K. But sorry, in comparison GoGo gals in BKK and Pattaya are not good value.

Supply and demand? There are instances where the theory just does not apply to the P4 P industry in Asia. I could give you several examples.

[Member #4698]

let's contrast that with NYC where people make real money. Friends there are getting great looking Russian gals for 200 USD per hour. MSOG, GFE, PSE, seduction, great skill sets. Find me Thai gals like that and I will gladly shell out the 4-5 K. But sorry, in comparison GoGo gals in BKK and Pattaya are not good value.
Don't believe what your NY friends are telling you. Great looking Russian girls performing all the good stuff in NYC will run you at least thousand dollars, probably a significant amount more. You don't believe me? Listen to what Jordan Belfort had to say about NY hookers in the early '90's:

"The truth was that hookers did take credit cards or at least ours did! In fact, hookers were so much a part of the Stratton subculture that we classified them like publicly traded stocks: Blue Chips were considered the top-of-the-line hooker, zee crme de la crme. They were usually struggling young models or exceptionally beautiful college girls in desperate need of tuition or designer clothing, and for a few thousand dollars they would do almost anything imaginable, either to you or to each other.

Next came the NASDAQs, who were one step down from the Blue Chips. They were priced between three and five hundred dollars and made you wear a condom unless you gave them a hefty tip, which I always did.

Then came the Pink Sheet hookers, who were the lowest form of all, usually a streetwalker or the sort of low-class hooker who showed up in response to a desperate late-night phone call to a number in Screw magazine or the yellow pages. They usually cost a hundred dollars or less, and if you didnt wear a condom, youd get a penicillin shot the next day and then pray that your dick didnt fall off..."

[WildHawk]

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Astounding, at times, to hear of posters' wonderful alleged sexploits with sex workers in the GestopoLand That is Sex Prison USA. Now, I'd love to hear of some good ol' down-home Hooking Oppos, but frankly, it's easy to read the news, of 50 ish Asian hags getting nabbed for offering wanks to coppers, etc. Etc. The claims of Russkies to be had for $200 in the vicinity of NYC, or a thousand miles within, are. F*ing absurd. One must consider the risk, in this paradise of *cough" Democracy *uncough* of participating in the sport, of having your property (car, whatever) confiscated, ruining your livelihood, and the list goes on. As they say, don't shit where you sleep. I frolick in Asia. And you should too. Now, if any one is able to point me in the direction of relatively risk-free action with some Asian lookers 18-35 in the Midwest USA, under $400 a pop, I'd be happy to hear of it. I won't be expecting answers, just sympathy. Until then, we've got. BKK, Patts, AC. As long as it lasts.

[Goatscrot]

Don't believe what your NY friends are telling you. Great looking Russian girls performing all the good stuff in NYC will run you at least thousand dollars, probably a significant amount more. You don't believe me? Listen to what Jordan Belfort had to say about NY hookers in the early '90's:

"The truth was that hookers did take credit cards or at least ours did! In fact, hookers were so much a part of the Stratton subculture that we classified them like publicly traded stocks: Blue Chips were considered the top-of-the-line hooker, zee crme de la crme. They were usually struggling young models or exceptionally beautiful college girls in desperate need of tuition or designer clothing, and for a few thousand dollars they would do almost anything imaginable, either to you or to each other.

Next came the NASDAQs, who were one step down from the Blue Chips. They were priced between three and five hundred dollars and made you wear a condom unless you gave them a hefty tip, which I always did.

Then came the Pink Sheet hookers, who were the lowest form of all, usually a streetwalker or the sort of low-class hooker who showed up in response to a desperate late-night phone call to a number in Screw magazine or the yellow pages. They usually cost a hundred dollars or less, and if you didnt wear a condom, youd get a penicillin shot the next day and then pray that your dick didnt fall off..."Natty the economy in the US was booming in the 90's. Almost everyone was making big money. Now folks are working two jobs in many cases just to pay the bills. My friends tell me the price for hookers has gone down considerably in many parts of the US. Very different economy now.

[Blanquiceleste]

While we are discussing how one should or should not spend in Pattaya, look what some people do. Surely, this encourage girls in GoGo bars to make a living purely from drinks. 12,240 Baht. ALL OF IT ON LADY DRINKS! That is 3 days of budget, even for a liberal spender like me. The bigger tragedy is, a closer look at the girl will reveal that she isn't a stunner either. Sigh!!

[Blanquiceleste]

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[Breadman]

While we are discussing how one should or should not spend in Pattaya, look what some people do. Surely, this encourage girls in GoGo bars to make a living purely from drinks. 12,240 Baht. ALL OF IT ON LADY DRINKS! That is 3 days of budget, even for a liberal spender like me. The bigger tragedy is, a closer look at the girl will reveal that she isn't a stunner either. Sigh!!If you look closely at the photo it seems that the bill is itemizing ladydrinks for each girl, most only got a few drinks but the one near the top's bill is in the thousand baht number.

[Banana Boi]

12,240 Baht. ALL OF IT ON LADY DRINKS! That's crazy. You can take 5 girls home ST for that or likely the girl you bought drinks for a week.

Since I'm not in tourist mode I find I am very cheap with my LD's now. Even for the girls I want I am limiting them. No complaints at all from any of the girls.

[TomSf]

Guys just a harmless comment but it needs to be said. Please don't come on here and cry about being overcharged for amounts such as 500 Baht. If you can't afford to pay an extra 500 Baht over the so called going rate, then you should not even be coming to Thailand. Every lady has the right to ask for whatever she wants. It's her body and frankly I'm tired of the price police on here.Not all guys let these woman hustlers walk all over them. Yes a woman can ask whatever she wants and obviously she will try to get as much as she can from you. She sizes you up from the way you dress, your jewelry, and the way you act. Guys, also have the right to pay as much or as little as they want. Some guys are doormats and these woman who are pro's will eat you alive. I can almost guarantee many of these guys that just give the girl what ever she wants are the same guys that after they leave continue to send money to these girls actually thinking the girl is his girlfriend. Many guys have no negotiation skills with woman or even know how to talk to woman. So they can't understand the fact that they are paying two to three times more when everyone else is paying less.

Many guys go to Thailand themselves. They never see the girl interacting with other customers. If they did they would no be on her bragging about paying an extra 500 Baht. They would realize wow I am being treated differently than other customers. This girl is taken advantage of me and just walk away right there if she does not charge me what everyone else pays. But, because this is mostly done on a one on one discussion. Guys don't see what's going on even if other guys are telling him.

If we are talking about Pattaya with the exception of go go girls. The cost is 500-1000 baht. 1000 is the maximum. If she is charging you more it is because she either does not respect you, things you are a sucker or is repulsed by you and is demanding more money to bribe her to spend time with you. In any case be a man and stand up for yourself and walk away.

P.S, this post is on the topic of price and is not directed to Bkkdog. It is to everyone on price in general.

[Socker]

I tell the go-go girls who approach me that my name is Kee Neeow and I'm a butterfly. They always laugh; and somehow, someway many of them not all, but the ones who like cheerful smiling old men -- still give me their phone numbers, come to my condo, or meet me before work; I never pay bar fines; and I still manage to get laid as much as I want. So I can tell you that nothing is wrong in Pattaya; I can still get value for my money; and I'm not complaining. If an old fart like me can do it, so can you.When I imagine living there I imagine a mongering life like this. Thank you for the simple description on your methods.

On my last trip I learned halfway through to tell them I'm Korean, it always gets a big laugh which is one way to a pretty women's heart. I'm glad to read your mo and will follow in your footsteps.

As a tourist your world is not really available (for me / others) but if you have a couple of months or live there some charm / baht will make your dreams come true.

Thanks for the post. I still have hope.

[Christian G]

12,240 Baht. ALL OF IT ON LADY DRINKS! That is 3 days of budget, even for a liberal spender like me. The bigger tragedy is, a closer look at the girl will reveal that she isn't a stunner either. Sigh!!


That's crazy. You can take 5 girls home ST for that or likely the girl you bought drinks for a week. 12240 baht is nothing. From the web, Rehab on soi buakhao, 2012.

[Haven123]

While we are discussing how one should or should not spend in Pattaya, look what some people do. Surely, this encourage girls in GoGo bars to make a living purely from drinks. 12,240 Baht. ALL OF IT ON LADY DRINKS! That is 3 days of budget, even for a liberal spender like me. The bigger tragedy is, a closer look at the girl will reveal that she isn't a stunner either. Sigh!!Do you know for sure that it was just 1 guy? Sometimes it could be 2 or more Korean, Japanese etc. Paying on 1 bill.

[Breadman]

If we are talking about Pattaya with the exception of go go girls. The cost is 500-1000 baht. 1000 is the maximum. If she is charging you more it is because she either does not respect you, things you are a sucker or is repulsed by you and is demanding more money to bribe her to spend time with you. In any case be a man and stand up for yourself and walk away.

P.S, this post is on the topic of price and is not directed to Bkkdog. It is to everyone on price in general.I don't think the main issue is girls disrespecting customers, what's said to who when we aren't around. The main issue here is the concern rates will go up, happens on every board. Guy blows into town with a wad of cash, spends it all over the place and next thing you know your being asked for double the going rate. But if people still want to discuss prices and how some are overpaying, please provide us with your sources of income so we can get a better picture of what's really driving you.

[Mr Enternational]

Do you know for sure that it was just 1 guy? Sometimes it could be 2 or more Korean, Japanese etc. Paying on 1 bill.It appears to be the tally for the night; not just 1 person's tab.

[LittleBigMan]

Do you know for sure that it was just 1 guy? Sometimes it could be 2 or more Korean, Japanese etc. Paying on 1 bill.In all due respect how in the world did you come up with the perception that the bill had anything to do with Koreans or Japanese? Whether it was one guy, two or even 3 etc. ?

[Banana Boi]

During the day I mainly hit Soi 6, Kinnaree, and look for cute girls in MP's. Are their other options I am missing during the day to find cute girls?

Night agenda is easy to fill for me with soi 6, gogo clubs, and regular dance clubs. I also check out soapies but have yet to go with anyone since the value isn't there (ie. for 2500 I'd rather take out a gogo girl ST than pay 2500-4000 for a soapie). FYI, the only decent girls at Honey 2 now are in the 4k group.

[Socker]

The average guy whether he's been to Pattaya once or ten times is manipulated by the whole system of opening up wallets. The top bars (aggressive drink pushers) are geared to get your money, and not provide you w / quality service. Probably half the bars I went into are aggressively pushing alcohol on me, every 4 minutes, another drink sir? The bargirls are a big part of this money grabbing system, so are the waitresses.

So when a nice guy who enjoys a few drinks walks into aggressive bars he is really up against a big machine geared to fleece him. After a few bars you're drunk and throwing money around you love everybody and that's the intention of the bars. They all work together, they all benefit from each other.

That's why the local expats don't toy w / these bars, it's a no win. They hang in the low end beer bars, day time gentlemen clubs etc, and once in a while hit WS w / visiting friends.

If you like to drink the bar will try and take control of how much you consume to get more out of your wallet and make you stupid. As you can see their system works very well.

Bangkok, Pattaya, it's not a friendly poker there unless you stay away from the aggressive gogos. The last few times in Patts I enjoyed the lower pressure at LK Metro bars. Not as many stunners (no where near) but plenty of nice women and little drink hustle.

It's the system that's the enemy, not the savvy bar girl, she's just doing what management tells her she must do.

That's my take anyway. Thailand was a letdown for me. I'll give it another go soon.

Funny side story, I was visiting a buddy in Udon Thani and we were at the Day and Night complex (20 bars in a big barn like structure). At the end of one side there was this lively sexy MILF bar girl wearing a cute hat. She got us to sit and have a drink. She was nice and of course I offered and she excepted a LD. The drinks come and I take a sip of my beer and she has her drink in hand. I turn to say something to my buddy and this liquid hits my right shoulder and face. I thought WTF was that? I turn towards her and she wiping liquid off her arm. I asked, did you just throw that drink away? She was shocked that she got caught. Yes you did, as I turned my attention she chucked the drink w / her left hand accidentally hitting me w / it. We left and did not pay for the LD. What a little snake she was. Apparently she had a bad reputation up there, my buddy read about her before that night in the local expat news.

Anyway, in Thailand if your expectations are low then you will be on easy street. OTOH if you're into high end gogos, Sensations, Happy Agogo, Bacarra etc, I forget the others because I don't patronize them, you'll get played and spend more than intended. Most stunners will not go w / you unless you're K or J.

I liked Electric Blue a hustle bar too but less so. Bikini Agogo (more user friendly) etc. In LK Metro Sugar Sugar, Champagne Agogo etc I liked those.

The sharp younger mongers might do quite well along w / the older more disciplined guys in the rip off top bars where the hottest pussy dance.

I'm unhappy in these places more times than not. I'm in awe of the beautiful Thai women (I can't have), just unbelievable. I'll figure it out someday or continue to be manipulated.

And disappointed. I don't play Soi 6, probably much easier going there. Lots of guys love it there. I like the farm fresh dancers in the gogos, I'll continue to hunt in the gogos.

Best.

[BionicMan]

In all due respect how in the world did you come up with the perception that the bill had anything to do with Koreans or Japanese? Whether it was one guy, two or even 3 etc. ?He had a perception based on.

1/ japanese and koreans, by "culture", tend to spend a lot in The evening Entertainment, especially on drinks.

They do this a lot At home. They Can easily do this on vacation in LOS where drinks are cheaper and they are there to have fun.

2/ Japanese and Korean tend to go out in groups, easily 3-5, one pays or all goes under one tab, hence a large bill.

Split that bill in 3-5 and it gets down to a more "reasonable" spending capacity of each individual.

There have been nights when I spent 2/2500 baht in two people in a bar, and I am not a drinker.

What's wrong in spending money if you have it and want to spend it?

It is thanks to the spenders that lots of bars do exist and are around.

For the benefits of the non-spenders too as they can have them available.

I can't see a bar making a living based on 5-10 customers buying 3-4 drinks a night.