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If I were you, I'd think twice about Penthouse hotel. If I'm not mistaken there have been very mixed reviews about its quality.I have stayed there several times and always enjoyed my stay. The sex themed rooms really seem to get the ladies going, and a top location close to Beach Road and Walking Street. If your are LB phobic it might be problematic but I just ignore them. It also gets pretty good reviews on Tripadvisor https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g293919-d501251-Reviews-Penthouse_Hotel-Pattaya_Chonburi_Province.html and Agoda https://www.agoda.com/penthouse-hotel/hotel/pattaya-th.html.
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This is an interesting report on Pattaya written by a gay journalist who immersed himself in the culture.
At least it's not a judgemental piece.
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/sex/one-big-open-air-brothel-a-week-in-the-worlds-sleaze-capital/news-story/a99e67d8662ec9ee064a91f9dc4f9a79
Uncle Volodya
08-30-16, 03:44
This is an interesting report on Pattaya written by a gay journalist who immersed himself in the culture.
At least it's not a judgemental piece.
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/sex/one-big-open-air-brothel-a-week-in-the-worlds-sleaze-capital/news-story/a99e67d8662ec9ee064a91f9dc4f9a79Pretty judgemental to me and perpetuates so many stereotypes.
Not every visitor to Patts is a 50+ year old working class dolt. Plenty of young and attractive 25 to 40's guys here having good clean sexy fun.
But that's precisely what they hate in falang land. Aka Western sex prison. 555.
And the guy is a real asshole for only giving his pickup $12. What a dick. Lucky he didn't get his ass kicked.
Uncle Volodya
08-30-16, 03:47
September is one of the best times in the year to go to Pattaya. The waves of tourist have rescinded and hotels offer their best rates of the year. Meanwhile the girls are at their friendliest although as Wolvenvacht points out, prices for nooky never fall.
As you must be aware coming from India, September is part of the rainy season in LOS so bring an umbrella for sure and perhaps some tall water proof rain boots. The streets flood every time there is a downpour making walking around and keeping your feet dry somewhat difficult. But then the sun comes out and everything is bright and shiny again. I really like Pattaya in September. December/January is the worst time to come here. IMHO.I need to make it out there one September. I like August too but I bet September really rocks.
December / January are tougher with the holiday crowds. And a lot of girls also go back home for New Years holidays too.
I need to make it out there one September. I like August too but I bet September really rocks.
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Banana Boi
08-30-16, 05:08
And the guy is a real asshole for only giving his pickup $12. What a dick. Lucky he didn't get his ass kicked.There was a recent incident in my favorite Soi 6 bar when a guy came in and tried to get ST with a girl. He had previously taken a girl out and paid only 800. The second this guy walked into the bar the girls were on him. They were all yelling at him and told mamasan not to let him in the bar. The guy looked confused and was eventually guided out of the bar.
Pretty judgemental to me and perpetuates so many stereotypes.
Not every visitor to Patts is a 50+ year old working class dolt. Plenty of young and attractive 25 to 40's guys here having good clean sexy fun.
But that's precisely what they hate in falang land. Aka Western sex prison. 555.
And the guy is a real asshole for only giving his pickup $12. What a dick. Lucky he didn't get his ass kicked.Yeah, just look at Banana Boi! Complete opposite! He probably merits an article all by himself!
As a matter of fact, if you go away from the beaten track I think there are a ton of older Aussies (and quite a few British and Canadians) living in Patts. The writer may have included these guys in the "visitor" bucket, since most do not live in Pattaya all 12 months?
And, of course the Russian families who own lots of condos in Pattaya. With lots more on the way. Many arrive as visitors and return as condo owners.
There was a recent incident in my favorite Soi 6 bar when a guy came in and tried to get ST with a girl. He had previously taken a girl out and paid only 800. I am wondering if the guy knew that the 800 was just the ST bar fine to take her out. Because it almost seems like he was just tipping $12 ? That may also explain why he was not prepared for the reception he received?
My guess is if he knew, and the girl had complained or just asked about the $12 he would have known better not to come back!! There are many first timers, from different countries, who don't know about ISG etc and don't have a clue on their first day. And sometimes some Thai new girls are either shy, or feel embarrassed with such an amount that they just leave, particularly if like some they never even count before leaving?
Hello friends,
I required your help to decide the dates to go Pattaya.
I am planning a trip to Pattaya from Delhi (17 - 22 September) alone. Is it OK to go Pattaya in September. How about the prices of mongering there and hotels. Till now I have not booked Flight tickets & hotel. I am planning to book Penthouse Hotel.
Please give your valuable suggestion.
Best regards,
KushSeptember is still rainy season in Thailand and when I say rain I mean like rain from hell. At least that's I felt last time I went in September. If you don't mind rain and walking around with an umbrella its fine. October or November is much better weather.
Banana Boi
08-30-16, 05:31
He would have paid the BF before he left the bar. The 800 was her tip for leaving the bar with him.
Uncle Volodya
08-30-16, 06:06
He would have paid the BF before he left the bar. The 800 was her tip for leaving the bar with him.His pickup was another gay dude no?
Can't believe it's that cheap for them.
Wolvenvacht
08-30-16, 07:06
I am wondering if the guy knew that the 800 was just the ST bar fine to take her out. Because it almost seems like he was just tipping $12 ? That may also explain why he was not prepared for the reception he received?
My guess is if he knew, and the girl had complained or just asked about the $12 he would have known better not to come back!! There are many first timers, from different countries, who don't know about ISG etc and don't have a clue on their first day. And sometimes some Thai new girls are either shy, or feel embarrassed with such an amount that they just leave, particularly if like some they never even count before leaving?In Soi 6 the barfine is only 300 baht and the girl's fee is now 1000 baht. For many years it used to be 1000 baht "barfine + fee", but that changed some time ago. ST in Soi 6 is now 1300 baht "all in".
Yipee headed to pattaya for a short haul 8th to 11th September. Can any senior share co-oridnates of hidden jewels.
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.... For many years it used to be 1000 baht "barfine + fee", but that changed some time ago. ST in Soi 6 is now 1300 baht "all in".
Depends, if you know the Girl and wich Bar. I still pay 900-1000 Thb all inclusiv. Otherwise you just invite the Girl to your Condo and then you save the Barfine and tip the Girl with 100 Thb.
Try Honey 1 soapy massage 'V' series. Check Galaxy on walking street for Russians.
Yipee headed to Pattaya for a short haul 8th to 11th September. Can any senior share coordinates of hidden jewels.
Depends, if you know the Girl and wich Bar. I still pay 900-1000 Thb all inclusiv. Otherwise you just invite the Girl to your Condo and then you save the Barfine and tip the Girl with 100 Thb.Whhhaa. Wha wha. Aaa. Tttt? I didn't quite get that! Care to expound please? Thanks!
Mr Enternational
08-30-16, 15:35
There was a recent incident in my favorite Soi 6 bar when a guy came in and tried to get ST with a girl. He had previously taken a girl out and paid only 800. The second this guy walked into the bar the girls were on him. They were all yelling at him and told mamasan not to let him in the bar. The guy looked confused and was eventually guided out of the bar.I guess I am a bit confused too. I just reported back at the end of May an 800 baht ST on Soi 6. The times that I have gotten a LT Soi 6 chick I have paid 1000(same as Beno69 says), same as I do with FL. Maybe there is more to this story.
Gin And Tonic
08-30-16, 16:07
Pretty judgemental to me and perpetuates so many stereotypes.
Not every visitor to Patts is a 50+ year old working class dolt. Plenty of young and attractive 25 to 40's guys here having good clean sexy fun.
But that's precisely what they hate in falang land. Aka Western sex prison. 555.
And the guy is a real asshole for only giving his pickup $12. What a dick. Lucky he didn't get his ass kicked.As one of those old dolts, who has earned the right to live in our little paradise, I have always looked at young attractive guys here as losers who don't have what it takes to pickup women in their own country. Dressing and acting like there're players in Monaco is pretty pathetic when in reality this is just a low cost resort town in SE Asia. Like you said "what a dick", a jealous one at that.
Mr Enternational
08-30-16, 16:29
As one of those old dolts, who has earned the right to live in our little paradise, I have always looked at young attractive guys here as losers who don't have what it takes to pickup women in their own country. Why do you look at it like that? Why not look at it as they have no problem doing both? When people see me out and about on my motorcycle would they assume that I don't have a car parked in the garage at home as well?
Interesting that you are staying on soi 6, is that where you spend all your time?
As to hotel choices, I've stayed at many different locations from WS to LK metro down to Soi 8. This time going with the baywalk residence. Seems like it's close to both WS and LK metro, also a quick baht bus run to and from soi 6.
Now if I'm at soi 6 and want to get to LK metro or head from LK metro to my hotel I'll always use a motorbike taxi, if you don't you have to walk from beach road all the way up. Don't do it often but only when I'm in an odd location.
Hello guys,
So I just met a Thai girl in Pattaya and she told my friend that she likes me and so I asked her out, she is not a working girl she works at billiards place and I'll be picking her up tomorrow at 8 pm when she finish her shift it's my second day in Pattaya I have no clue where to take her I tried telling her to name places to go but she keeps saying I can't talk to you I am shy around you, please help me veterans.
Gin And Tonic
08-30-16, 19:10
Why do you look at it like that? Why not look at it as they have no problem doing both? When people see me out and about on my motorcycle would they assume that I don't have a car parked in the garage at home as well?This guy routinely pisses on expats. Just giving him a taste of what he may come off looking as to some of us who had the game to get it free back in our day. He is clueless about how we live our lives here. Few of the guys I hang out with live with industry girls. It's the other pool making up 99% of Thai women they settle down with. These aren't the hookers in the clubs he only knows of.
Banana Boi
08-30-16, 20:30
I guess I am a bit confused too. I just reported back at the end of May an 800 baht ST on Soi 6. The times that I have gotten a LT Soi 6 chick I have paid 1000(same as Beno69 says), same as I do with FL. Maybe there is more to this story.Possibly more to the story but all the girls huddled together and started yelling at the guy and telling Mamasan to kick him out. I'm only relaying what the girls told me the story was. My thai isn't good enough yet to understand all the profanities they must have been throwing his way.
Interesting about St prices. Typical 1 hour soi 6 price is 1000 baht in the bar. They charge less for ST? I know a friend who is being quoted 2500 LT so 1000 LT seems a bit off, Maybe different bars has significantly different prices. I don't ask Soi 6 girls to come home with me so personally no experience with ST / LT pricing.
Mr Enternational
08-30-16, 21:50
I know a friend who is being quoted 2500 LT so 1000 LT seems a bit off, Maybe different bars has significantly different prices. I don't ask Soi 6 girls to come home with me so personally no experience with ST / LT pricing.I don't ask them either. But when they start asking me it gives me the bargaining power. In a case like that they always say give me what you want.
He would have paid the BF before he left the bar. The 800 was her tip for leaving the bar with him.Have to agree as I don't think they would let the girl leave without first paying the BF to the bar.
But I've never actually taken a girl away from any soi 6 bars (always ate in--literally) so don't really know the actual BF price. Is 800 b BF for ST or LT?
Interesting that you are staying on soi 6, is that where you spend all your time?
As to hotel choices, I've stayed at many different locations from WS to LK metro down to Soi 8. This time going with the baywalk residence. Seems like it's close to both WS and LK metro, also a quick baht bus run to and from soi 6.
Now if I'm at soi 6 and want to get to LK metro or head from LK metro to my hotel I'll always use a motorbike taxi, if you don't you have to walk from beach road all the way up. Don't do it often but only when I'm in an odd location.I've been to Pattaya twice. Both times, I stayed at the Jasmine Hotel on Soi BJ next to WS. That hotel is great. It is very convenient, clean, and affordable. However, the Jasmine has two minor problems.
The first is, you are far away from baht buses and any day time activity. You must do a good deal of walking during the day, so you can be close when you stumble home at night.
Secondly, there is a ladyboy bar right next door, and they get pushy when you walk by late at night. I have nothing against them trying to make money, but I don't like being grabbed by the arm or have my path blocked when I really just want to sleep. Although I won't be staying at Jasmine again, I'd still recommend it for budget travelers who want to be near WS. I'd also highly recommend it to ladyboy lovers. (not my thing though).
My last trip to Pattaya, I fell in love with Soi 6. It opens early in the day, has friendly company, and beer is fairly cheap. The last time I visited Soi 6, I was annoyed with my current hotel location, and I started obsessing over the Queen Victoria Inn. It seemed perfect to me. But as we all know, nothing is as good as it seems in Thailand. I figured I've give it a try anyways. I've read up on other hotels, but I keep thinking about TQVI. I figured next trip, I'd try there. If I don't like it, I'll try a different one. I've also read good things about April Suites and a host of other places.
However, if the general consensus of this board is to avoid that hotel, I'll trust your collective expertise.
What does everybody think? Keep in mind that I don't want to blow my entire budget on a hotel, so the Hilton is out of the equation.
In Soi 6 the barfine is only 300 baht and the girl's fee is now 1000 baht. For many years it used to be 1000 baht "barfine + fee", but that changed some time ago. ST in Soi 6 is now 1300 baht "all in".This is mainly correct if you don't negotiate and just pay and do the deed in house.
But I'm the type that somehow always try to bargain (since I've gotten use to the Thai way=bargain all the time). I've found that when you do so most often (not always) the overall price will fall depending on the girl (also time of day) as only her cost is flexible (the barfine is not).
Many times I've gotten the overall price to be anywhere from 1000-1200 b (300-350 b for fixed BF) and rest to her (700-900). Girls don't seem to be upset if you try to bargain as they expect it. This is just my take on the subject as many will just go with the flow and not be bothered with asking about money.
If it's too good to be true. It normally is. While I don't mean to desist you, I do mean to play the devils advocate. Getting involved emotionally in Pattaya is a dangerous thing. We normally say think from your head and not from the tip of your willy. Well do just the opposite in Pattaya.
Hello guys,
So I just met a Thai girl in Pattaya and she told my friend that she likes me and so I asked her out, she is not a working girl she works at billiards place and I'll be picking her up tomorrow at 8 pm when she finish her shift it's my second day in Pattaya I have no clue where to take her I tried telling her to name places to go but she keeps saying I can't talk to you I am shy around you, please help me veterans.
Wolvenvacht
08-31-16, 07:39
This is mainly correct if you don't negotiate and just pay and do the deed in house.
But I'm the type that somehow always try to bargain (since I've gotten use to the Thai way=bargain all the time). I've found that when you do so most often (not always) the overall price will fall depending on the girl (also time of day) as only her cost is flexible (the barfine is not).
Many times I've gotten the overall price to be anywhere from 1000-1200 b (300-350 b for fixed BF) and rest to her (700-900). Girls don't seem to be upset if you try to bargain as they expect it. This is just my take on the subject as many will just go with the flow and not be bothered with asking about money.So how much can you get "off" that 1000 baht or so "standard price"? A few hundred baht? Not worth my time and the effort. Once I have picked a girl to my liking and established a reasonable price, I close the deal and try to get balls deep into her moist pussy without delay.
ManOfMystery
08-31-16, 09:00
Unfortunately my time in Pattaya has come to an end and I am already back home. Just wanted to give a little recap of my last couple of days. On Sunday, I visited Kinneree place for the first time. Upon entering, this attractive woman, who seemed to be managing the place, noticed my newbie self walk in and came over. She showed me around and explained the pricing. Very nice and made me feel welcome. I was hungry, but the big barbecue buffet was pretty much done with only some slim pickings left as I arrived late afternoon. She astutely pointed out that there was plenty of pussy available to eat though. Definitely some good looking chicks there but most were already taken up by other guys, the place was quite full, at least the main room was. Since this was my first visit, not sure if this is the norm. Also, being my first time there I wanted to relax a little and get a feel of the place. Some of the girls were a bit pushy and acted put off when I communicated that I just wanted to chill for a bit before getting some company. It's for sure a great spot to go with a friend and chill. All the other guys were in groups with buddies and girls and I did start to feel bored. Some of my targets didn't appear to getting "single" anytime soon so I chose a chick that had come over a couple of times already. We shared a drink, lots of dirty talk, and eventually went to a room. Once in the room though, she really wanted to rush things. BJ was meh, sex was meh, with lots of over the top moaning and "I'm going to cum!" after like two pumps. Please. Anyways, sex done, I wanted to drink my beer before going back out but she was in a hurry. I figured it was time to head home anyway so I got dressed and once my pants were on, I turn around and she's there with her hand out. I hate that. I mean give me a frigging second, it's not like I made a move to the door and needed to be stopped. I just buckled my belt for Christ sake. So I paid up, finished my beer and headed home. The place was cool, but I probably won't be heading back unless I'm with a friend that I could chill with.
Did a couple of Soi 6 stops with good success. Monday night, I ended up back in Sensations to take out the girl I had written about previously. However, her and her best friend were being bar fined by some dude. She said she would only be gone for an hour and wanted me to promise to wait for her and not take anyone else. But I had no intention of waiting and eventually took this really cute tiny chick. Whether true or not, the mamasan said it was the girl's first week as I was waiting for her to change clothes. Once at the hotel it was a great GFE. Overall great time, and we took the full hour before she left for home. Only other thing of note was a massage place I found on Monday evening. I'm [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor with directions, even more so with areas I'm not fully familiar with, but I'll give it my best shot. It's in the LK metro area. One of the main roads that has an entrance to LK metro has a club called Oasis on a corner. Oasis has black walls. If you turn down the side street that Oasis is on, there are many massage places. One of the first ones on the right has signs called "Ansan massage" or something to that effect. There also was a sign about 5 massages get the 6th free. Anyway, this place had some really young and cute chicks outside. I picked the one I liked the best and entered. After a couple of minutes of her rubbing oil on my back and ass, she asks, you want to boom boom me? Hell yes. Christ almighty, 22 yr old, no kids to ruin her firm perky B cup tits. So delicious, good BJ and sex. It was 200 for the "massage" and 1000 for her. (I gave her a tip as well). Only negatives of the spot is that the room is a row of twin size beds with the curtain separation. The shower area? Well, I showered upon arrival but after the deed, I just waited until I got back home.
Member #4591
08-31-16, 09:29
Hello guys,
So I just met a Thai girl in Pattaya and she told my friend that she likes me and so I asked her out, she is not a working girl she works at billiards place and I'll be picking her up tomorrow at 8 pm when she finish her shift it's my second day in Pattaya I have no clue where to take her I tried telling her to name places to go but she keeps saying I can't talk to you I am shy around you, please help me veterans.If it's a date you really want and not just a P4 P encounter, take her to Central and see a movie. If that goes well with a lot of cuddling on the Sofa seat you should book, then take her to dinner later along the water front somewhere. There is a nice restaurant behind the beer bars next to walking street. If that goes well also, you should have a green light to go back to your hotel. Don't ask her to go, after dinner just grab a baht bus and head home. If no objections, just bring her up and assume she will be staying the night. In the morning slip 1000-2,000 Baht onto the top of her bag while she's in the shower and keep your mouth shut. Chances are you will have a made a friend for life. Good luck! This works with me every time.
RapidSky568
08-31-16, 12:06
Got ripped off here last night. Bought girl a drink and when bill comes back it has 5 lady drinks on it. Figured I would post it as a warning to others. Been coming to walking Street for 5 years and never been ripped off like this. Girl goes by name of Ning. Her real name Navarat.
Banana Boi
08-31-16, 12:14
What does everybody think? Keep in mind that I don't want to blow my entire budget on a hotel, so the Hilton is out of the equation.Read the Pattaya hotel thread and make an informed decision based on where you want to stay. I also agree Soi 6 may not be the best location to situate yourself. A favorite on this board is View Talay 6 located beside Central Festival. You'll be at Soi 6 in minutes.
If it's a date you really want and not just a P4 P encounter, take her to Central and see a movie. If that goes well with a lot of cuddling on the Sofa seat you should book, then take her to dinner later along the water front somewhere. There is a nice restaurant behind the beer bars next to walking street. If that goes well also, you should have a green light to go back to your hotel. Don't ask her to go, after dinner just grab a baht bus and head home. If no objections, just bring her up and assume she will be staying the night. In the morning slip 1000-2,000 Baht onto the top of her bag while she's in the shower and keep your mouth shut. Chances are you will have a made a friend for life. Good luck! This works with me every time.If she's not a working girl, why slip her 1000 or 2000 bht? Especially after springing for dinner and a movie. I don't usually pay a GF.
Banana Boi
08-31-16, 12:22
If she's not a working girl, why slip her 1000 or 2000 bht? Especially after springing for dinner and a movie. I don't usually pay a GF.I don't even tip working girls after a dinner and a movie.
I've been to Pattaya twice. Both times, I stayed at the Jasmine Hotel on Soi BJ next to WS. That hotel is great. It is very convenient, clean, and affordable. However, the Jasmine has two minor problems.
The first is, you are far away from baht buses and any day time activity. You must do a good deal of walking during the day, so you can be close when you stumble home at night.
Secondly, there is a ladyboy bar right next door, and they get pushy when you walk by late at night. I have nothing against them trying to make money, but I don't like being grabbed by the arm or have my path blocked when I really just want to sleep. Although I won't be staying at Jasmine again, I'd still recommend it for budget travelers who want to be near WS. I'd also highly recommend it to ladyboy lovers. (not my thing though).
My last trip to Pattaya, I fell in love with Soi 6. It opens early in the day, has friendly company, and beer is fairly cheap. The last time I visited Soi 6, I was annoyed with my current hotel location, and I started obsessing over the Queen Victoria Inn. It seemed perfect to me. But as we all know, nothing is as good as it seems in Thailand. I figured I've give it a try anyways. I've read up on other hotels, but I keep thinking about TQVI. I figured next trip, I'd try there. If I don't like it, I'll try a different one. I've also read good things about April Suites and a host of other places.
However, if the general consensus of this board is to avoid that hotel, I'll trust your collective expertise.
What does everybody think? Keep in mind that I don't want to blow my entire budget on a hotel, so the Hilton is out of the equation.I've tried WS hotels but found out the hard way when your trying to get back at night using a baht bus and traffic stops half a mile up the road that the walk to your hotel is just too much. I've also stayed on soi 8 but found that area too far to walk to LK metro, impracticable to walk down to beach Road to catch a baht bus and then walk all the way back up. Also stayed right near LK metro, easy to get the girls from WS and LK metro back to your hotel but a pain trying to get to WS is traffic is backed up.
My budget on hotels is in the $30 to $40 range. Go below $30 and you run the risk of running into too many Indians who like to cram 5 guys to a room. I'll go over $40 if the hotels location and amenities warrant the expenditure. I got the bayview for $40 without breakfast which in my mind is a fantastic price (1400 baht before the taxes). Have to say the Queen Victoria's rooms nicer rooms look decent (wouldn't stay in the budget or the standard rooms). That leaves the superior rooms at 850 baht (wonder if this price includes the taxes? If your going to spend $25 on a nice room at the Queen Victoria you might want to consider pattaya blue sky hotel on soi 5 that has a pool and is slightly over $31.
Mr Enternational
08-31-16, 15:24
I'm down on Soi 6. Just ran into the Songkran Muncher. LOL. That dude is crazy. Guess that is why his name is Crazy Ben. He said he was on TV in 30 countires.
Me and my buddy just came into a bar. He tells the girl let's go upstairs. I said what the fuck dude. You never ask prices. He said I know. I said man don't do that shit. So he asks the girl how much and she says 300 for room and 1000 for her. Immediately I said no way that is too much. She said how much then. I said 700. She said okay. Then my friend said 500. I started laughing and said man 700 is the right price. Now he is upstairs with the chick. Easy Breasy.
I'm down on Soi 6. Just ran into the Songkran Muncher. LOL. That dude is crazy. Guess that is why his name is Crazy Ben. He said he was on TV in 30 countires.
Me and my buddy just came into a bar. He tells the girl let's go upstairs. I said what the fuck dude. You never ask prices. He said I know. I said man don't do that shit. So he asks the girl how much and she says 300 for room and 1000 for her. Immediately I said no way that is too much. She said how much then. I said 700. She said okay. Then my friend said 500. I started laughing and said man 700 is the right price. Now he is upstairs with the chick. Easy Breasy.Have you ever taken two girls to the room on soi 6? Curious if you can negotiate getting only one room charge, I did it several times and always got billed for two rooms from the bar.
Wolvenvacht
08-31-16, 19:06
Have you ever taken two girls to the room on soi 6? Curious if you can negotiate getting only one room charge, I did it several times and always got billed for two rooms from the bar.This is Thailand!
The "room charge" is actually a bar-fine.
And bar-fines are the same whether you take her for ST or LT. That defies all logic.
I'm down on Soi 6. Just ran into the Songkran Muncher. LOL. That dude is crazy. Guess that is why his name is Crazy Ben. He said he was on TV in 30 countires.
Me and my buddy just came into a bar. He tells the girl let's go upstairs. I said what the fuck dude. You never ask prices. He said I know. I said man don't do that shit. So he asks the girl how much and she says 300 for room and 1000 for her. Immediately I said no way that is too much. She said how much then. I said 700. She said okay. Then my friend said 500. I started laughing and said man 700 is the right price. Now he is upstairs with the chick. Easy Breasy.If I lived in Pattaya, I'd probably negotiate more. Truth is, bargaining is a huge turn off for me, especially if the girl counters or appears uninterested. The worst thing a girl could do is size me up while trying to decide. I don't know how you all do it. I also don't know how some of you can bag 3 girls a day 20 days in a row.
Okay, I'll be there in January. I'll be getting PM privileges before my trip. I'm writing a bucket list for the place. Here are the things I really want to do on my next trip.
1. Get really hammered and ride the bull at Hooters.
2. Soapy Massage.
3. 4 girls in one day (will need pills for this one).
4. See some actual tourist stuff, like temples or statues.
5. Get a girl from a gogo.
6. Try a new hotel.
I don't want to ring any bells or buy any buckets of balls. What else should I add to my list? I've done most of the first-timer stuff. The above list is what's left for me to achieve.
I have been to Pattaya many times and love it last 3 visits I have stayed at Opey de Place in Soi Lengkee nice rooms pool clean and near to LK metro easy to get to baht buses and only 800 bhat if staying 7 or more nights look forward to stay there next time in April.
Read the Pattaya hotel thread and make an informed decision based on where you want to stay. I also agree Soi 6 may not be the best location to situate yourself. A favorite on this board is View Talay 6 located beside Central Festival. You'll be at Soi 6 in minutes.I'm not so sure about that. Based on what you've posted, I think VT 6 may not be for you. There are significant non- refundable deposits, you have a pay a lot for regular or even twice a week maid service. The pool is ancient. Etc. The insides of the apartments (each unit is quite different based on the owner's style, quality, money invested in bathrooms, and layout, furnishings etc.) will vary a heck of a lot , from the quality and power of AC, to shower water pressure, size of water heater etc. And, the common areas are quite run-down.
But, if you can get a high quality apartment, at the higher price points, from a high quality owner and are willing to pay additionally for daily maid service, then I would recommend it. It's not a hotel. No two units are alike. And the service is a la carte.
I don't even tip working girls after a dinner and a movie.Although, I would hasten to add that it also depends on whether you want more nights with her. And the chemistry for such a multiple day / night desire. In such situations, IMO, money is just a way to help them pay rent etc. It's all a personal call though, IMO.
Once I have picked a girl to my liking and established a reasonable price, I close the deal and try to get balls deep into her moist pussy without delay.Boy, that sounds very Mormon! 😜👻
Banana Boi
09-01-16, 02:20
What else should I add to my list? I've done most of the first-timer stuff. The above list is what's left for me to achieve.Get a girl from each of the following: gogo bar, regular bar, Beach Road, soi 6, soi 7/8, soapie, regular massage, seedy massage joint like Paradise or Up to You on Soi Honey, nightclub like Hollywood or iBar, a "non working" girl (ie. Works in a restaurant, retail store, etc). then repeat the cycle over and over again.
Banana Boi
09-01-16, 02:25
Based on what you've posted, I think VT 6 may not be for you.I'm the one who told you to stay at VT6. I am very familiar with the condo.
There are rental sites where maid service is included and also where you can select the exact property you are looking for. the best unit in VT6 by far is the 153 square metre one with a panoramic view of the Pattaya waterfront from Naklua to Walking Street.
Although, I would hasten to add that it also depends on whether you want more nights with her. And the chemistry for such a multiple day / night desire. In such situations, IMO, money is just a way to help them pay rent etc. It's all a personal call though, IMO.
Overall I take care of my few select girls very well. My girls know there is no tip for a dinner, movie, etc. and keep asking me out for dinners. A full stomach, laughs, and a good time are their tip.
Got ripped off here last night. Bought girl a drink and when bill comes back it has 5 lady drinks on it. Figured I would post it as a warning to others. Been coming to walking Street for 5 years and never been ripped off like this. Girl goes by name of Ning. Her real name Navarat.
Infinity is not a rip off gogo bar. Been here many times recently. If you were overcharged hopefully you talked to mamasan.
I'm the one who told you to stay at VT6. I am very familiar with the condo.
There are rental sites where maid service is included and also where you can select the exact property you are looking for. the best unit in VT6 by far is the 153 square metre one with a panoramic view of the Pattaya waterfront from Naklua to Walking Street.Ah yes, BB. You are right and thanks for the recommendation. My point is / was that even after you recommended it, I did not realize how different each unit was. Particularly AC, bathrooms / size and quality of the water heater, with a ceiling fan / vs not, etc.
And, I had no clue how old the common areas were until I got there. And, with Dancewatchers, once I got there from NYC after nearly 22 hours, at 2 pm on a weekday, I could not find them (even though they are ones who set up my car service) for more than 30-45 minutes after I arrived. There is (except for a few rental management companies) no one on site for check-in.
And, the maid service you are referring to, includes change of sheets daily or not? For me, if the sheets are not new / laundered then I don't call that maid service.
So, my point for someone used to staying in a hotel, is that is is very different because of the above.
And, when I book a hotel via Travelocity, there is zero $ deposit and it is fully refundable up to 24 hours before arrival. And, if you want you can find hotels with full buffet breakfast included daily. So, as I said it's different.
80-90 PC of the units at VT 6 would not work for me.
But, I've found a couple that work well...and in the end what I liked most was being right next to Central Festival mall, the grocery store, food court etc.
Get a girl from each of the following: gogo bar, regular bar, Beach Road, soi 6, soi 7/8, soapie, regular massage, seedy massage joint like Paradise or Up to You on Soi Honey, nightclub like Hollywood or iBar, a "non working" girl (ie. Works in a restaurant, retail store, etc). then repeat the cycle over and over again.Yeah, and buy a casket ahead of time, and reserve your hole in the ground ahead of time!
BB, not sure if you are aware, most of us just can't keep up with you!! The above cycle, each time adds up to about 14 ! And for example, times 3, would be 42. LOL!
Have a heart man (pun intended) ! 🙄🖖
But, I do love reading your posts...in amazement ! How do ya do it man ? Nike needs to do an endorsement deal with you !
Anyone tried these people in Pattaya? Scam or do they deliver something close to what they offer? Thanks.
www.thai-sexy-holiday.com
I'm the one who told you to stay at VT6. I am very familiar with the condo.
So sorry, BB, upon re-reading. When I said " based on your posts VT 6 may not be for you " I was saying that to Adrena (and not you) since he was the one enquiring, vs. You who knows pretty much everything there is to know in Patts. But, since I hit reply to your post in response to Adrena, it was my error.
Of course, I know fully well that VT 6 has worked well and will work very for you. As it does for me. I just didn't think Adrena knew all the differences of the variety in VT 6 vs consistent hotel rooms, with hotel services.
So, my apologies.
Mr Enternational
09-01-16, 06:13
I have been to Pattaya many times and love it last 3 visits I have stayed at Opey de Place in Soi Lengkee nice rooms pool clean and near to LK metro easy to get to baht buses and only 800 bhat if staying 7 or more nights look forward to stay there next time in April.Clearly a case of YMMV or different strokes for different folks. A wingman decided to try that place last year because he saw a good deal on agoda. He said it sucked, but he had already paid through the website. Last month he stayed at a tried and true place of the same price point. I never saw the inside but he has been coming here longer than me, so I trust his experience.
Wolvenvacht
09-01-16, 07:49
Anyone tried these people in Pattaya? Scam or do they deliver something close to what they offer? Thanks.
www.thai-sexy-holiday.comIn the high season, that comes to about 145 EUR per day, or roughly about 5500 baht per day and includes BKK. Pattaya transport (usual retail price between 1000 and 1500 baht one way), hotel room (I'm sure they can find it for 1000 baht per night or less). That leaves about 4200 baht per day for the girl.
It is not super cheap, but neither is it terribly expensive. But you will have to add food and entertainment for you and your "girlfriend".
The only problem I have with these arrangements is that there is no guarantee you and your "girlfriend" will be a match and you are stuck with her for at least 3 days.
I think this is something for the very timid or the terminally lazy.
Once I have picked a girl to my liking and established a reasonable price, I close the deal and try to get balls deep into her moist pussy without delay.What would 'YOU' do if you were with a bunch of buddies and are having a night out drinking and you run into 'the chosen one' early in the tour? Its known by the group that you'll be breaking off eventually to go your separate ways. Do you try to come back later for the girl? Barfine her and head back to your hotel? Possibly barfine her and drag her along on the tour if she's a LT girl?
I'd do just what W did and say sorry guys, have to go drill this girl. If its ST ID meet up with them again (possibly) later.
I don't want to ring any bells or buy any buckets of balls. What else should I add to my list? I've done most of the first-timer stuff. The above list is what's left for me to achieve.If your not under a cell phone yearly plan now (as in paying month to month), ID recommend signing up for a Tmobile cell phone plan. Sign up for a simple choice plan (I have the $50 plan with 2 gbs of service but with an extra 3 gbs added for $10 more). Yes there's cheaper cell plans out there but Tmobile won't charge you a penny for using texts and data on your phone. A phone call is around. 20 per minute or so. Then install LINE chat and you can keep in contact with the girls you like without having to walk into their bar and find them gone.
Get a girl from each of the following: gogo bar, regular bar, Beach Road, soi 6, soi 7/8, soapie, regular massage, seedy massage joint like Paradise or Up to You on Soi Honey, nightclub like Hollywood or iBar, a "non working" girl (ie. Works in a restaurant, retail store, etc). then repeat the cycle over and over again.I like the way you think! The Banana Boy Nine!
Member #4698
09-01-16, 21:49
"Get a girl from each of the following: gogo bar, regular bar, Beach Road, soi 6, soi 7/8, soapie, regular massage, seedy massage joint like Paradise or Up to You on Soi Honey, nightclub like Hollywood or iBar, a "non working" girl (ie. Works in a restaurant, retail store, etc). Then repeat the cycle over and over again. ".
To each his own, but for me, there is no way I would want to subject myself to that wide a variance in quality and force myself to take a girl from each venue on the list, let alone keep repeating the list over and over again. Ever heard about Sisyphus and his troubles? I like to go where the quality leads me and to forget about the rest. I will now go down the list one by one and make some short comments on each particular venue. Feel free to agree or disagree. Some lively difference of opinion on these various honky tonk's might be interesting and informative.
Walking Street and LK Metro Go Go Bars - Yes. This is what Pattaya is all about IMHO. Many, many to choose from so there is plenty of variety for me and yet I can still maintain a decent quality level. Expensive - hell yes. I think maybe more expensive than BKK Go Go's. I wonder how pricing is affecting business. Not all of these Go Go's can be doing too well.
Ibar - Yes, if I can hold off that long. HA HA. But usually I can't wait until midnight knowing that there is nice juicy pussy to be had and the Tequila is flowing at 9 pm. But yeah, Ibar sure does have talent. I like.
Beer bars - I go very in-frequently, but once in a while. Its a quality issue. If I see a girl in passing that catches my eye and I am not going somewhere else, maybe I walk in and see what's up.
Beach Road - I like to window shop, but rarely see sufficient quality and I mean rarely.
Soi 6 - usually there is better quality than Beach Road, but not by much. I like to go to look / see from time to time, but rarely do I bite the bullet. My Soi 6 trysts have never been the highlight of one of my trips
Soi 7/8 - I make rare visits. I don't think I have been there since 2011. Quality on my last visit was not good. I mean friendly, but not good. I don't even think about those joints. Maybe I should go back and take a look, but I would not expect much.
Other Bars like Lisa Bar on 2nd road - is an interesting place where I sometimes have found real diamonds. I try to visit at least once every visit.
Pattaya Soapies - No friggin' way. The girls are no where near the quality of the BKK soapies which I love. Big waste of money IMHO.
DD - Spotty quality. They used to have a couple of girls I really liked like Maggie, but she is sadly long gone. I loved that girl. She was very good to look at and her performance was always stellar. As to threesomes: big deal. I have much better threesomes with my 2 favorite MNL girls and my 2 favorite BKK CH girls. I really like threesomes, but BOTH girls have to be quality or it does not work for me. DD does not cut it.
Pat Oilies - Most girls do not make the grade IMHO and again I find much better quality in BKK oilies which I frequent often.
Regular massage - Ok, these can be an interesting way to waste an hour on an otherwise hot afternoon if the masseuse is attractive in any way, shape, or form. I like seeing how far I can coax a regular massage girl to go. Sometimes the results are amazing.
Non Working girls - I would definitely spend more time on this variety of fauna especially in BKK if I lived in LOS, but otherwise I think it is better to stick with the professional girls. No one gets hurt or misled. Anyway, for non working girls, there is no place better than the PI. Forget Pattaya, you will do better in any mall in Manila.
What else? Oh yeah, the Pat Gentlemen Clubs like Kinnaree - I have never been, but I am curious to go and check it out on a quiet afternoon. Again, I am not expecting much in the way of quality, just friendly older girls who will do ya for a little money. Don't get me wrong, I think I might find a girl there to my liking. Not all my girls have to be 22 and hot.
Those kinky sex in the open places bars like LE Carre Blanc and company - I would go if I thought the girls were hot, but I know they are not.
The darkside bars like Mango Bar or Aqua Deymie - There are interesting possibilities. It is hit or miss, but you need a motorbike to explore the area.
So that's my take on it. I am a BKK big city kind of guy who mainly goes to Pattaya once every couple of years for a change a scenery and the opportunity to hit some different Go Go girls in some different Go Go's than the usual places I like. I wish the Pattaya massage joints were BKK quality, but they are not, so I don't waste my money with those. in summary, Pattaya is mainly Go Go central and Ibar for me with maybe a couple of smaller bars thrown in for good measure. I always have a good time though and meet some great girls.
I like the way you think! The Banana Boy Nine!Oops, I can't count. The Banana Boy 10!
Eszpresszo
09-02-16, 01:20
I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population. One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.
Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.
I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways. Am I correct in suspecting that a lot of the freelancers are just visiting for a short time to earn some cash and party? The proverbial day-tripper?
ChinkChink
09-02-16, 04:20
I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population. One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.
Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.
I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways. Am I correct in suspecting that a lot of the freelancers are just visiting for a short time to earn some cash and party? The proverbial day-tripper?Time to wake-up and smell the som tum sir. You know it they know it and I know it. These girls who go to Pattaya are prostitutoots- not bank tellers, optomitrits, dentists, office managers, etc.
You are correct in surmising good young thai girls ar not looking for old white folk to have a good time, its all about quid pro quo. Py to play babie!
I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population. One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.
Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.
I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways. Am I correct in suspecting that a lot of the freelancers are just visiting for a short time to earn some cash and party? The proverbial day-tripper?You may notice that almost every girl you meet in Pattaya is from Isaan. Many come there to work. When I ask the same question to many Thai bar girls about the vacation story because we all heard it. They always laugh and say Thai girl no money how they going to go on vacation and why of all places would they come to Patttaya. The answers obvious.
I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population. One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.
Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.
I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways. Am I correct in suspecting that a lot of the freelancers are just visiting for a short time to earn some cash and party? The proverbial day-tripper?They have nice beaches on the islands a short boat ride away from Pattaya. Some may think you will like it better if you are around more farangs.
Some will be working girls but all will want money in one form or another. Weather it's cash out right or wining and dining her and her friends, buying gifts or all of the above.
Guys come here to spend money. I assume you do also so what difference does it make who or what she is if you are having fun. Like you said one of the ladies is 23 and you are 58. Where in the world does a relationship like that doesn't cost money.
To be perfectly blunt, you're an old fuck just like me and their interested in you because they think you have money.
If you really want beaches and regular women, go to some beaches in the west. Nice bleaches, plenty of ugly old fat bitches that won't want money. LOL.
OlderMan4U
09-02-16, 06:01
Hello gents,
Starting to catch up on this thread.
Thinking of planning a trip to Pattaya hopefully end of this year or so.
Been a while since I have been, but based on things I have read online, I may not visit gogo's much. At least for boom boom.
Looks like a lot of these girls are asking for prices way out of my budget. 3000 plus baht for short time, forget it! I do not like hassling with the girls for prices in the first place.
I will probably visit gogo's for eye candy and a few drinks, and visit the beer bars for fun. Though prices there seem to be going up also.
Gin And Tonic
09-02-16, 06:31
What would 'YOU' do if you were with a bunch of buddies and are having a night out drinking and you run into 'the chosen one' early in the tour? Its known by the group that you'll be breaking off eventually to go your separate ways. Do you try to come back later for the girl? Barfine her and head back to your hotel? Possibly barfine her and drag her along on the tour if she's a LT girl?
I'd do just what W did and say sorry guys, have to go drill this girl. If its ST ID meet up with them again (possibly) later.Never expect a cutie to be there when you come back. From experience blinking may make you miss out!
...Some will be working girls but all will want money in one form or another. Weather it's cash out right or wining and dining her and her friends, buying gifts or all of the above.
Guys come here to spend money. I assume you do also so what difference does it make who or what she is if you are having fun. Like you said one of the ladies is 23 and you are 58. Where in the world does a relationship like that doesn't cost money...Appropriate analysis. I am amazed at how folks who are in their 50's /60's dream as if they were in their 20's. Clearly at that level, the relationship will be strictly about money, I. E. A customer buying some poon from a Thai girl. The rest is completely irrelevant.
Member #4178
09-02-16, 07:21
Currently in Bangkok coming from Pattaya. Still don't get the advantages of Pattaya regarding girls price and look, In Soi Nana I am taking girls to my hotel at 1000ST.
This days in Pattaya you can't get this prices. Some good looking girls I took in Nana some with white skin.
Still Pattaya is far better place to stay then BKK concrete jungle with cheaper package of accommodation, massage, motorbike rent and the beach.
Banana Boi
09-02-16, 07:46
I was only kidding about my list being repeated over and over again, Natty. I am almost purely a gogo guy and girls I take home are gogo girls. Since you say you're a gogo guy I'm sure I've sat beside you one night in a gogo club. I only go for the cream of the crop. I don't settle for anything less. Since we both live in Pattaya we have the luxury to hold out for the best there is.
I do like Soi 6 and searching for a gem in the rough. Nice time killer in the day time when the gogo bars are not open. I frequent Soi 7/8 less often to find that gem too. I have met two so far, both on Soi 7. No BF just go hang out before I head to WS or LK.
Beach road - I have to be pretty bored to walk this stretch. Prices are great though 700-1000 ST. Only seen 2 I would pick up but again I don't walk BR often.
I'm not an iBar guy. Would much rather go to Hollywood.
I never understood why these guys sit outside with old ladies at beer bars when so many much hotter girls at gogo bars. I assume it's since it's less than half the price? 1300-2300 including BF for beer girl vs. 2800-7000 (yes, quoted 2000 BF + 5000ST by a Glass House girl) for gogo girl.
You should try the G clubs like Kinnaree during the day (closes at 7 pm) and Club 007 and Pirates on Soi Full Love Inn at night. Kinnaree is not older girls not sure who told you that. My 3 Kinnaree regulars are between 19-23.
Like yourself, I rarely do a soapie since the value and, more important, mileage isn't there but I do walk in once every couple of weeks just to see. If I see the right girl I will see her, get her Line, then have her come over to my place.
Member #4591
09-02-16, 09:17
I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population. One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.
Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.
I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways. Am I correct in suspecting that a lot of the freelancers are just visiting for a short time to earn some cash and party? The proverbial day-tripper?Why all the red flags? You are a punter in Thailand looking for P4 P action and the ladies are looking for the same. If you are hoping for a normal girl then I would question why you are hanging out on a website which caters to punters looking for information on P4 P action.
Mr Enternational
09-02-16, 14:30
Here are the prices for the 24 hour gym on the bottom floor of The Avenue.
I was only kidding about my list being repeated over and over again, Natty.I see the list as merely suggestions for a newbie or bored mongerer if all they do is go to Soi 6 in the afternoon and WS in the evening. It gives me an incentive now to try out a seedy massage place, haha! I probably won't like it, but I won't know until I try, and I might find discover something else I like while out exploring! And after 3 trips, I was finding myself getting bored doing the some old same old. Yeah, bored with being with 2 to 3 women each day. Sigh.
Here are the prices for the 24 hour gym on the bottom floor of The Avenue.Thanks, Mr. ENT. The monthly price seems decent (I assume you get that price without having to sign a LT contract?). And if you use it a minimum of 5 times in a month, you break even vs. The daily price.
Now, the important question is: is there AC indoors? If yes, I will surely join on my next visit.
Eszpresszo
09-02-16, 16:52
Why all the red flags? You are a punter in Thailand looking for P4 P action and the ladies are looking for the same. If you are hoping for a normal girl then I would question why you are hanging out on a website which caters to punters looking for information on P4 P action.It was just a simple question, and if you do not have the answer, then you need not respond. I was not aware that TF exclusively catered to punters, not was Facebook a site for P4P hookups. Some of us still have our game on, and can routinely engage women outside of the P4P realm. But as always, it is helpful to understand who and what you are dealing with.
Mumbai Guy
09-02-16, 19:09
Anyone tried these people in Pattaya? Scam or do they deliver something close to what they offer? Thanks.
www.thai-sexy-holiday.comDoesn't look like a scam but why would someone want to stick to one or max two girls for a week in a place like Pattaya where thousands of options are available. Mind you it's not really cheap at 899 EUR for a week. And there is a risk involved as you are staying with someone 24 hrs of the day for at least 3 days and you don't know if the chemistry will be right between the two of you. I would not take such an offer. After all why should you eat the same dish for a week when so many different different varieties are available on the menu?
Doesn't look like a scam but why would someone want to stick to one or max two girls for a week in a place like Pattaya where thousands of options are available. Mind you it's not really cheap at 899 EUR for a week. And there is a risk involved as you are staying with someone 24 hrs of the day for at least 3 days and you don't know if the chemistry will be right between the two of you. I would not take such an offer. After all why should you eat the same dish for a week when so many different different varieties are available on the menu?Most times I am a boring monger. I prefer one beautiful women for one week. Not seven beautiful women, one for every day. Remenber guys, we are different. I would never pay upfront 899 euros for a women I never seen before. What if you don't like her? What to do. It is also way to expensive. Come to this place. Go find a women you like. Then stay with her. That is very easy and it is so much cheaper.
Robert Long
09-02-16, 21:24
I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population. One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.
Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.
I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways. Am I correct in suspecting that a lot of the freelancers are just visiting for a short time to earn some cash and party? The proverbial day-tripper?Most Thai ladies go to either Hua Hin or Phuket or Rayong Beach. The beach close to Pattaya is Jomtien Beach. Great for windsurfing if the wind blows and grilled shrimps on the beach. Pattaya does not have a very good reputation in Thailand. Tomuch crime, Russians and WG's.
RL.
I'm down on Soi 6. Just ran into the Songkran Muncher. LOL. That dude is crazy. Guess that is why his name is Crazy Ben. He said he was on TV in 30 countires.
Me and my buddy just came into a bar. He tells the girl let's go upstairs. I said what the fuck dude. You never ask prices. He said I know. I said man don't do that shit. So he asks the girl how much and she says 300 for room and 1000 for her. Immediately I said no way that is too much. She said how much then. I said 700. She said okay. Then my friend said 500. I started laughing and said man 700 is the right price. Now he is upstairs with the chick. Easy Breasy.Good to know.
Although I've never gotten a girl on Soi 6 to agree to 500 b recently, I have gotten it for 700 b on many occasions. Didn't know any girls would still accept 500 as that was few yrs back. Guessing some girls are hungry and won't try to cheat an experienced monger.
I've always said it, can't hurt to ask for lower prices as many will go lower if asked.
Member #4591
09-03-16, 02:41
It was just a simple question, and if you do not have the answer, then you need not respond. I was not aware that TF exclusively catered to punters, not was Facebook a site for P4P hookups. Some of us still have our game on, and can routinely engage women outside of the P4P realm. But as always, it is helpful to understand who and what you are dealing with.TF is not the site I was referring to. You are hanging out on ISG which caters to P4 P and you are discussing the red flags that you raise when girls show signs of being a working girl.
Mr Enternational
09-03-16, 03:13
I am curious about the frequency of ordinary Thai girls visiting Pattaya, and what their real activities are. That's because I've chatted up quite a few Thai girls online and through social media. All say they like to go to the beach, but mostly to some location not well known or not popular with us farang. That makes sense. However, some mention visiting Pattaya which begs the question, why? By most accounts, Pattaya has a lousy beach to begin with and would not seem the most geographically convenient resort town to the overall Thai population.Everything is relative. If you have never been to a beach in your life then would Pattaya beach seem so bad to you? I have been to the beaches of Barranquilla Colombia and those of the Maldives. I am sure if someone from Barranquilla came to Pattaya then they would think the beach was that of a refreshing paradise, whereas a person from Maldives would consider it shitty. Also, do not forget that just off the coast of Pattaya there is Coral Island that has the nice Samae beach. And Pattaya is definitely more geographically and financially easier to get to than the 12 hours of taking a taxi, plane, bus, AND boat to get to Koh Tao.
Of course normal people come to Pattaya. People from Bangkok own half the condos here and come down some weekends. How do you explain the traffic going from 20 all week long to 100 late Friday afternoon? My ex girlfriend from Bangkok is a teacher and was down here a couple of months ago for vacation and from the pictures she sent me, she was staying at a rather nice hotel. (I chose not to see her because for years I had begged her to come visit me in Pattaya and she always had excuses. So when she finally came herself on vacation that ship had sailed.)
I have another friend from Bangkok who works at a travel company and comes down sometimes to try out hotels before they recommend them to customers. My girl from Laem Chabang is next to me right now. She came here Thursday evening after work to see me and buy something for her mom at the mall. She went back for work on Friday and came back again when she got off. Today we are supposed to go to the waterpark with a bunch of her friends who will also be in town.
Even though these cases exist, you must remember that these are educated people with jobs. If a chick with a 5th grade education from bum fuck Esan was claiming to come here for vacation then I would have to doubt the veracity of that. More than likely she would be coming here in search of work, whatever type it may be.
And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang?When you were 23 how many 58 year old women did you have the hots for?
Another woman, I connected with on Thai Friendly, recently is closer to my age (mid-forties with a teenager at home) and looks nice, but dresses a bit alluring for a mom. Her profile had a photo of her in a nice outfit, standing on a beach at night with the big, illuminated Pattaya sign in the background. Red flags were flying in my head.Why would you have red flags because of someone taking a picture in front of a public sign? My mom, aunts, dad, and stepmom all have pictures in front of the same sign.
I would be interested to hear from those who have actually spent ample time in Thailand, to maybe give me some insight on the Thai's preferences for beach getaways.I still haven't really figured this one out yet. I have been to Phuket, Krabi, and Koh Tao and have yet to see vacationing Thai people (other than the girl that was with me).
Wolvenvacht
09-03-16, 13:29
One girl I was chatting up was one of those desperate types, really eager to meet me and was wanting to meet me in Patts where she was doing a long weekend with three of her girlfriends. That threw up a red flag. Mind you they were coming all the way down from North Isaan. What were they really doing? Just looking to party, and maybe meet some farang guys? Or freelance for some cash? And why would a 23 year old girl come off as so desperate to hook up with a 58 year old farang? I think I know the answer.Well, we all know that a lot of the bargirls in Pattaya hails from the Isaan rice paddies and it should be no surprise that girls (even when not on The Game) are more likely to go to Pattaya as well because they probably know someone already living there.
And of course, those visitors may combine pleasure and business as well. I see nothing wrong with that.
Eszpresszo
09-03-16, 14:41
TF is not the site I was referring to. You are hanging out on ISG which caters to P4 P and you are discussing the red flags that you raise when girls show signs of being a working girl.Correct, and the topic was recognizing girls who were involved in P4P relationships. Not much of a conflict there, huh? Now, do you have any answer to my original question? Or were you just bored and desperately needed to post something?
Correct, and the topic was recognizing girls who were involved in P4P relationships. Not much of a conflict there, huh? Now, do you have any answer to my original question? Or were you just bored and desperately needed to post something?I have corresponded with a few girls on Date Hookup. I have found most of them to be legit girls not in the p4 p business, or at least not interested in an older man for whatever reasons. The ones who I continued to talk with all hated any kind of sex talk, at least at the beginning. So one way to tell who the legit girls are is to see how they respond to sex talk. If you make a minor flirt and they get upset at you, them claiming they are NOT a bar girl and that you better shut up, then that is a good sign they are legit. If you are able to quickly ratchet up the sex talk and they don' t get upset, then that should be a good sign they are looking for money.
So that's my take on it. I am a BKK big city kind of guy who mainly goes to Pattaya once every couple of years for a change a scenery and the opportunity to hit some different Go Go girls in some different Go Go's than the usual places I like. I wish the Pattaya massage joints were BKK quality, but they are not, so I don't waste my money with those. in summary, Pattaya is mainly Go Go central and Ibar for me with maybe a couple of smaller bars thrown in for good measure. I always have a good time though and meet some great girls.Figured as much as you were pretty much ripping on everything Pattaya has to offer. I'm the reverse, I'll do BKK but prefer the laid back atmosphere of Pattaya. GoGo prices are about the same but even if you have to pay a bit extra in Pattaya your breaking even on the cost of the drinks and being able to search out twice as many clubs for the same amount money in BKK. But at least you say you come down every few years, there are those who just refuse to leave the big city of BKK.
If you don't walk beach road all that often, twice a night if not more, then you won't spot the better looking talent that gets grabbed up fast. Beach road isn't loaded with them but there's always a good 5 to 10 that are promising. And there's always that one that was spectacular but got grabbed five feet before you could get there. On all of my trips I've repeated with a few beach road girls that come over in the afternoon when its too hot for a nice siesta.
Same comment for soi 6, if you don't take the time to stop and have a drink every 100 feet you'll miss the better lookers who are upstairs when you decided to walk by. I'll pick a bar with a few cute girls and scope out the other bars nearby. Make an excuse to run down the road for some food to take some quick looks.
What I hate about BKK is everything is so far apart. Want a good oil massage, hop on the bts and head down to soi 23 area. Want a good soapy, head up north via the overcrowded mrt line, hit a disco head to one of the many scattered all over. With Pattaya you can do gogo's, disco's, massage's, beer bars for a quick ten baht ride down the road.
Member #4591
09-04-16, 03:00
Correct, and the topic was recognizing girls who were involved in P4P relationships. Not much of a conflict there, huh? Now, do you have any answer to my original question? Or were you just bored and desperately needed to post something?Okay Mr. Red Flags. I'll try again since this is completely above your pay grade it seems. Why are you using the term red flags? Is your plan to find a girlfriend or freebie? Are you against the chance your super sweet internet darling may actually be a working girl? My advice and answer to your question is who cares! If you like her, go out with her. On the other hand, I completely understand, this hobby is not cheap these days. Goodbye Charlie!
I am visiting Pattaya for the first time, and got a chance to walk around Walking Street from 8 PM or so. I've benefited from the reports of others, so here's my short contribution. Hopefully some will find it to be of help.
General Observations:
1) 8 PM is too early for much action, and there are thousands of Chinese tourists walking around in groups with their tour leaders holding identifiable flags. A bit weird, and I also saw a few families with kids walking around.
2) A few good places to eat, and I ended up at one of the seafood places, and had lobster, quite good!
3) Tried the side bars with cheap beer, coconut juice, etc.
Bars:
1) Baccara had a nice lineup of about 100 girls on two floors, mostly Asian customers. I was able to get in because I'm Asian, but saw hardly any farangs, Indians, or other nationalities. Half of the girls are "hostesses" who can be bar-fined but do not dance. I stayed around for 30 min just observing, got a drink, and then visiting other bars, but eventually came back to Baccara as the lineup was so good. I didn't know the process of how to go about bar-fining someone, but saw what others were doing (basically calling out their number or pointing to them to a waitress or waiter). One of the hostesses with her friend came by, and flirted around with me. Got them a drink each, and then bar-fined the quieter one who looked a bit younger than the other girl, who was talkative and fun-going. In retrospect, I probably should have gone with the chatting talkative one, but more on that later. So I agreed to the bar-fine of 1000 bhats and ST for 2000 bhats. We go to a ST hotel down the road, which was 390 bhats. This girl changed into regular clothes, and we took off for the ST-hotel in the corner. Decent room and all. The girl was quite a bit shorter than her appearance, no more than 4 ft 10 in. She probably had very high heels, and I was sitting down so didn't notice. Anyway, the session left a lot to be desired. She was ticklish even to minimal kissing on the neck, and obviously no mouth kissing. BJ was covered, and only lasted a minute or two. Covered FS was a bit lame, as she claimed I was "too big" LOL. Tried a few standard positions and I finished with a self-HJ and she was careful I shot into the towel rather than mess up the bed. No chance of CIM, COF, or COT. Oddly, she had the gall to ask for a tip afterward? I politely refused. She took off back to Bacarat and I headed to Insomnia.
2) Insomnia was completely packed by now, they opened at 10 PM. A few lookers, high guy to girl ratio, and there is a good mix of variety here, but I had a hard time figuring out who was working and who is available. The music was blasting so didn't get a chance to talk to any girls in particular. The ones that made eye contact were not to my liking, and the ones I were interested in never made eye contact. A good place for diversity, as I saw people of all different colors.
3) Walked in and out of Airport Bar, Alcatraz, and a couple of others. Much less crowded that Bacarat, decent atmosphere but not to my liking. I still sat for a few minutes and bought a beer at each place.
4) Sensations Bar was another popular one, and I ended my night visiting with another short cute Thai girl who made good eye contact and I subsequently asked her to visit for a drink. Good vibe, playful attitude, although her English is almost non-existent. She tried to use some translation app, but not really that helpful. But she was a cutie, natural be's, nice slim body, and still quite short, maybe a tad over 5 feet. Ironically, she takes me to the same ST hotel, where the two young girls working at the counter was just giggling over how I was just there. Paid my $390 plus $20 for a condom, and off we went on the same routine. This was a much better experience, as she initiated some kissing which led to some more DFK. She was hoping that I was "not too big" and then after some foreplay and junior being at full staff, again she said I was "very big" - LOL. If nothing else, visiting Pattaya is a good ego boost! Lots more interaction here, and I was able to get her relaxed and enjoying the session, as she opened up quite a bit and was compelely wet and moaning the whole time we were going at it in MISH, then CG, then doggie, and back to MISH where I finished in the cover. This was past midnight. I barfined her at 1000 and she initially asked for $2000ST. Friendly girl, has a couple of non-distracting tattoos on her forearm and shoulder, otherwise a cutie, about a 7.5 on both body and face. We were both hungry so I offered to take her to dinner, which she gladly accepted.
A fun overall experience. Pattaya is a mongering heaven, and the only limitations are your wallet and how many shots you can get off in a night.
Correct, and the topic was recognizing girls who were involved in P4P relationships. Not much of a conflict there, huh? Now, do you have any answer to my original question? Or were you just bored and desperately needed to post something?That's rich! Dude, people were genuinely trying to help you!
Why talk down to those whose help you asked for?
If you didn't like the feedback, POV and / or suggestions then just do your thing.
People here don't work for you and you can't talk down to people whose help you asked for in the first place!
Learning requires taking in information, processing it, and using an iterative feedback loop.
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 08:21
Thanks, Mr. ENT. The monthly price seems decent (I assume you get that price without having to sign a LT contract?). And if you use it a minimum of 5 times in a month, you break even vs. The daily price.
Now, the important question is: is there AC indoors? If yes, I will surely join on my next visit.This isn't a new place but more of a reopening of a place previously defunct. I walked by this place many times when it was closed for business. And it looks pretty big. I'd be really surprised if it didn't have AC.
I think the price is reasonable. I may join too next trip if I stay at a different place than my current condo (which has a small gym) . We can be workout buddies. I can spot you! 555.
This isn't a new place but more of a reopening of a place previously defunct. I walked by this place many times when it was closed for business. And it looks pretty big. I'd be really surprised if it didn't have AC.
I think the price is reasonable. I may join too next trip if I stay at a different place than my current condo (which has a small gym) . We can be workout buddies. I can spot you! 555.Haha. Sure thing Uncle V. I dunno about spotting though. I stick primarily with aerobics. And a wee bit of resistance stuff.
You are way younger than me. My man! 😭👍
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 09:01
Haha. Sure thing Uncle V. I dunno about spotting though. I stick primarily with aerobics. And a wee bit of resistance stuff.
You are way younger than me. My man! 😭👍I get enough aerobics int eh loom with my girls.
555.
Will be good to see you if you are back in January. PM your travel details once you get your itinerary together. I will probably be there after New Years.
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 13:03
Figured as much as you were pretty much ripping on everything Pattaya has to offer. I'm the reverse, I'll do BKK but prefer the laid back atmosphere of Pattaya. GoGo prices are about the same but even if you have to pay a bit extra in Pattaya your breaking even on the cost of the drinks and being able to search out twice as many clubs for the same amount money in BKK. But at least you say you come down every few years, there are those who just refuse to leave the big city of BKK.
If you don't walk beach road all that often, twice a night if not more, then you won't spot the better looking talent that gets grabbed up fast. Beach road isn't loaded with them but there's always a good 5 to 10 that are promising. And there's always that one that was spectacular but got grabbed five feet before you could get there. On all of my trips I've repeated with a few beach road girls that come over in the afternoon when its too hot for a nice siesta.
Same comment for soi 6, if you don't take the time to stop and have a drink every 100 feet you'll miss the better lookers who are upstairs when you decided to walk by. I'll pick a bar with a few cute girls and scope out the other bars nearby. Make an excuse to run down the road for some food to take some quick looks.
What I hate about BKK is everything is so far apart. Want a good oil massage, hop on the bts and head down to soi 23 area. Want a good soapy, head up north via the overcrowded mrt line, hit a disco head to one of the many scattered all over. With Pattaya you can do gogo's, disco's, massage's, beer bars for a quick ten baht ride down the road.I don't think Natty has been ripping on Pattya. He has posted many times singing its praises as well. He just prefers BKK.
Like you I like BKK but prefer Patts. Mostly because the scene is more concentrated, a bit cheaper, and (most importantly) because of Ibar / Insomnia (my bread and butter). There is nothing really like it in BKK, where FL disco girls are older, less attractive, and more expensive.
I like BKK for the vibrant city, food, and shopping. Also the possibility of hooking up with a non-pro via the internet. Just to mix things up. In these things it has Pattaya beat.
Member #4698
09-04-16, 15:03
Good morning Breadman, allow me to set the record straight. I had no intention in my previous post to rip on Pattaya. I think Pattaya is still a pretty amazing place. But some destination has to be numero uno and for me that destination is BKK. My critique, if you want to call it that, is that Pattaya is mainly Go Go land and it lacks the variety and depth that BKK offers up with very high quality Soapies, great afternoon oily massage options, high end G-Clubs, and some of my favorite Go Go's. That said, I readily concur that some of the best Go Go's in the world are located in Pattaya and over many trips I have pulled amazing talent from What's Up, Sensations, Sapphire, Airport, Happy, Pepperment, and Super Girl. I also like Ibar. BKK falls short on anything comparable to Ibar. So despite all its faults, I think Walking Street and LK Metro Pattaya are very impressive red lights and Pattaya has a lot to offer. Its too bad about the sea water quality.
I want to check out Kinnaree. BBoi's suggestions were very useful. And I always like to take a stroll up and down the 6 between 5:30 and 6:30 pm. Sadly I only occasionally find some girl of interest. I get your suggestion, but it does not fit into my style of punting. I would be happy to spend more time on the 6 and become more immersed in the local bar culture if the bars sold something that is available in Amsterdam Coffee shops. 555. But I don't start drinking until later on (Tequila only) when I am with my love interest of the night. That is just my style.
I thought long and hard about taking a side trip down to Pattaya on my next trip. I am due to go back to Pat. Fall 2015, about a year ago, was my last visit and I had a great time, but for my next trip I opted instead for 4 plus weeks in BKK interspersed with a visa run to Phnom Penh. Overall I think Pattaya is a much better sporting town than Phnom, but I do enjoy the differences between Thai and Cambodia girls. Khmer girls can be quite fetching and lovely. I have already alerted my favorite 104 street hostess girl of my impending visit and she says she is looking forward to taking good care of me. I am looking forward to that too.
I will also be heading to Jakarta and Manila for my annual 2 week side trips in each city. Neither of these 2 major Asian megalopolises are as user friendly or as easy to navigate as BKK. The bars and bordellos in Jakarta, for example, are spread far apart. There is no Sukhumvit equivalent bar crawling area and it can take up to an hour to taxi from one amazing bordello to a great FL pick up bar to another amazing bordello, but the girls are so Oh La La, that it is worth the trouble and inconvenience to me. So my point here is that LOS is still #1 despite everything. There is just no place better in all of Asia taking everything into consideration like girls (of course), ease of access, hotel accommodations, food, relative safety, and culture, but other Asian destinations offer a lot too and I love the diversity. Next trip, the one after this one, I will return to Pattaya. I am looking forward to it.
Good morning Breadman, allow me to set the record straight. I had no intention in my previous post to rip on Pattaya. I think Pattaya is still a pretty amazing place. But some destination has to be numero uno and for me that destination is BKK. My critique, if you want to call it that, is that Pattaya is mainly Go Go land and it lacks the variety and depth that BKK offers up with very high quality Soapies, great afternoon oily massage options, high end G-Clubs, and some of my favorite Go Go's. I think the question that should really be asked is what city gives you the maximum value of your time. Bangkok just doesn't seem to get going until later in the evening. Yes, the oil massage joints are an option but everything else is limited. What do you do in Bangkok in the morning and early afternoon that really sets up a vacation? In Pattaya you have the beach, tons of massage shops to relax in, tons of beer bar options for hanging out and drinking on a budget. And everything is easy access, either a short baht bus ride or a short walk away. Not so in Bangkok. Want to grab a few beers and play a couple games of pool in Pattaya, that will set you back 400 baht. In Bangkok its more likely going to run you 1200 baht.
So the question is what exactly is this variety and depth that Bkk offers that you are talking about?
I don't think Natty has been ripping on Pattya. He has posted many times singing its praises as well. He just prefers BKK. Like you I like BKK but prefer Patts. Mostly because the scene is more concentrated, a bit cheaper, and (most importantly) because of Ibar / Insomnia (my bread and butter). There is nothing really like it in BKK, where FL disco girls are older, less attractive, and more expensive. I like BKK for the vibrant city, food, and shopping. Also the possibility of hooking up with a non-pro via the internet. Just to mix things up. In these things it has Pattaya beat.
Non pro's are all over the place, question is do you have the time for playing the game. And what is it with hobbiests talking about shopping? Do you really shop in the malls or are you on the lookout for non pro's? If your shopping to shop I really have to question the 'need' to buy socks when you could be getting a blowjob from a blowjob bar or a handjob from an attractive massage girl. If your trying to interact with non pro's at the mall then go hit the malls with my approval. But if you just spent 25 hours flying to Bangkok and want to spend 2 hours out of your day walking around buying socks, shoes or whatever I really have to question this time waster. Its safe to say that 99% of the guys here don't see a mall and say to themselves 'lets go shopping' instead of stopping into that bar full of cute girls.
Thanks, Mr. ENT. The monthly price seems decent (I assume you get that price without having to sign a LT contract?). And if you use it a minimum of 5 times in a month, you break even vs. The daily price.
Now, the important question is: is there AC indoors? If yes, I will surely join on my next visit.The answer is. Yes and no. The downstairs is a Muay Thai boxing ring, and it is not air conditioned. The second floor has 2 sections; the one with all of the cardio machines (treadmills, etc.) and a few exercise machines is air conditioned. The other half of the upstairs with the balance of the exercise machines and most of the free weights and more serious body building machines is not air conditioned, but it does have some fans to blow the hot air around. But it's a beautiful facility with all brand new state of the art equipment, and I sure loved using it last Wednesday. It was open to the public with no admission charge for a trial run last week.
Uncle Volodya
09-04-16, 17:10
The answer is. Yes and no. The downstairs is a Muay Thai boxing ring, and it is not air conditioned. The second floor has 2 sections; the one with all of the cardio machines (treadmills, etc.) and a few exercise machines is air conditioned. The other half of the upstairs with the balance of the exercise machines and most of the free weights and more serious body building machines is not air conditioned, but it does have some fans to blow the hot air around. But it's a beautiful facility with all brand new state of the art equipment, and I sure loved using it last Wednesday. It was open to the public with no admission charge for a trial run last week.Lifting weights with no AC sounds brutal. I won't have any energy left for boom boom after. 555.
I think I will have to give it a pass.
And what is it with hobbiests talking about shopping? If you just spent 25 hours flying to Bangkok and want to spend 2 hours out of your day walking around buying socks, shoes or whatever I really have to question this time waster. Its safe to say that 99% of the guys here don't see a mall and say to themselves 'lets go shopping' instead of stopping into that bar full of cute girls.That made me laugh. I completely agree! I understand buying some souvenirs for the fam, but actually shopping for stuff in Pattaya seems insane to me.
I absolutely hate shopping. I've never understood why girls like it.
On a different note, many of you have mentioned the go-go scene in Pattaya. I swear it's the reason I return every year. Seeing hundreds of naked girls makes me so happy. I'm still trying to figure out the best way to say no to a Lady Drink without feeling like a prick; any suggestions?
Member #4591
09-05-16, 02:07
Got ripped off here last night. Bought girl a drink and when bill comes back it has 5 lady drinks on it. Figured I would post it as a warning to others. Been coming to walking Street for 5 years and never been ripped off like this. Girl goes by name of Ning. Her real name Navarat.No hidden ajenda here eh! Go post your crap elsewhere. Its funny how you bought a random girl one drink amd know her real name. Thanks for coming out mate.
Cricket Dick
09-05-16, 05:59
I am visiting Pattaya for the first time, and got a chance to walk around Walking Street from 8 PM or so. I've benefited from the reports of others, so here's my short contribution. Hopefully some will find it to be of help.
General Observations:
1) 8 PM is too early for much action, and there are thousands of Chinese tourists walking around in groups with their tour leaders holding identifiable flags. A bit weird, and I also saw a few families with kids walking around.
2) A few good places to eat, and I ended up at one of the seafood places, and had lobster, quite good!
3) Tried the side bars with cheap beer, coconut juice, etc.
Bars:
1) Baccara had a nice lineup of about 100 girls on two floors, mostly Asian customers. I was able to get in because I'm Asian, but saw hardly any farangs, Indians, or other nationalities. Half of the girls are "hostesses" who can be bar-fined but do not dance..Thanks for the informative post bro. That is what I look for in this forum not all of the BS going on.
If she's not a working girl, why slip her 1000 or 2000 bht? Especially after springing for dinner and a movie. I don't usually pay a GF.He never stated that the girl had never accepted money for sex. She could have been a hooker full time or part time or in the semipro ambiguous category. These girls do go out on "dates" with men too, outside of their normal work. Their life does not consist only of eating, sleeping, and fucking.
I have certainly been to the movies and dinner with a PSE shop girl, in the past. Probably got sex too. It's not that unusual. I liked her. She probably liked me too or it would not have happened. She was looking to find the right man to take her away from it all. Did not turn out to be me.
A date does not imply she is in the exclusive GF category as yet. She maybe dating several guys.
If you fuck a hooker, it is presumptuous to try to do so for free, unless she specifically says that she is giving you a freebie, or no need to pay. If she is a hooker, she won't be insulted by the payment. Freebies have been known to occur though. Hookers can still enjoy sex, when they want to.
OlderMan4U
09-05-16, 22:52
I am visiting Pattaya for the first time, and got a chance to walk around Walking Street from 8 PM or so. I've benefited from the reports of others, so here's my short contribution. Hopefully some will find it to be of help.
General Observations:
1) 8 PM is too early for much action, and there are thousands of Chinese tourists walking around in groups with their tour leaders holding identifiable flags. A bit weird, and I also saw a few families with kids walking around.
2) A few good places to eat, and I ended up at one of the seafood places, and had lobster, quite good!
3) Tried the side bars with cheap beer, coconut juice, etc.
Bars:
1) Baccara had a nice lineup of about 100 girls on two floors, mostly Asian customers. I was able to get in because I'm Asian, but saw hardly any farangs, Indians, or other nationalities. Half of the girls are "hostesses" who can be bar-fined but do not dance. I stayed around for 30 min just observing, got a drink, and then visiting other bars, but eventually came back to Baccara as the lineup was so good. I didn't know the process of how to go about bar-fining someone, but saw what others were doing (basically calling out their number or pointing to them to a waitress or waiter)..Thank you for the report.
I am encouraged that the asking prices for some of the gogo's you went to were 2000 baht for short time.
I am sure there are some individuals who think that is too much, but girls were asking that range for 4-5 years now. Some of the gogo's I have been to, particularly around the Soi LK area, a few girls were expecting 3000 baht for short time.
Last time I went to Baccara, this girl I barfined for many years told me that the short time price was 2500 baht, but since I knew her for a while, she asked for 2000 short time.
As far as the sexual experience, sometimes you get a good one, sometimes it leaves a lot to be desired. But that is the way it goes with life and Pattaya.
He never stated that the girl had never accepted money for sex. She could have been a hooker full time or part time or in the semipro ambiguous category. These girls do go out on "dates" with men too, outside of their normal work. Their life does not consist only of eating, sleeping, and fucking.
I have certainly been to the movies and dinner with a PSE shop girl, in the past. Probably got sex too. It's not that unusual. I liked her. She probably liked me too or it would not have happened. She was looking to find the right man to take her away from it all. Did not turn out to be me.
A date does not imply she is in the exclusive GF category as yet. She maybe dating several guys.
If you fuck a hooker, it is presumptuous to try to do so for free, unless she specifically says that she is giving you a freebie, or no need to pay. If she is a hooker, she won't be insulted by the payment. Freebies have been known to occur though. Hookers can still enjoy sex, when they want to.The original poster stated he went on sites like Thai Friendly looking for regular women to go out with, not working girls.
Thus my question.
If a guy wants to go out on dates with a working girl and then pay for it, that is up to him and her. But that is not what the man said he was looking for.
Thanks for the informative post bro. That is what I look for in this forum not all of the BS going on.Thanks bro, I learned a lot from other posters, so just wanted to contribute. Pattaya is a fun experience and should be on everyone's bucketlist.
Thank you for the report.
I am encouraged that the asking prices for some of the gogo's you went to were 2000 baht for short time.
I am sure there are some individuals who think that is too much, but girls were asking that range for 4-5 years now. Some of the gogo's I have been to, particularly around the Soi LK area, a few girls were expecting 3000 baht for short time.
Last time I went to Baccara, this girl I barfined for many years told me that the short time price was 2500 baht, but since I knew her for a while, she asked for 2000 short time.
As far as the sexual experience, sometimes you get a good one, sometimes it leaves a lot to be desired. But that is the way it goes with life and Pattaya.I had a decent time, and understand you can't win 'them all. I'm also an experienced monger, so it takes quite a bit of GFE to get me going. I can detect any girl just going through the motion or trying hard to get a quick release. Won't be happening, LOL!
Woodypussy1967
09-07-16, 17:30
I visited Pattaya a few months ago! Prices are so expensive in comparison with 5 years ago!
MarcoStraight
09-07-16, 18:41
Giving 3,000 baht for a ST to a Thai girl is a madness, please don't do that. To me the right price is 1,000 !
Go-go bars women have become more expensive than the ones in any brothels around Europe. 800 up for bar fine plus 2.500 up for the ST. Absolutely not recommended. In Thai Friendly many girls around 1000 - 1.500 for ST. Beach road still 1000 easy.
Giving 3,000 baht for a ST to a thai girl is a madness, please don't do that. To me the right price is 1,000 !
Go-go bars women have become more expensive than the ones in any brothels around Europe. 800 up for bar fine plus 2. 500 up for the ST. Absolutely not recommended. In Thai Friendly many girls around 1000 - 1. 500 for ST. Beach road still 1000 easy.Some love the Go Go's. Some don't!
The problem with what some guys pay is mainly one of experience and time.
If this is their first or second time. Or they can only be off from work for 1-2 trips a year (Thailand and / or other dest combined) these guys are in a jam.
And, IF they cannot get more than a week off work (or less. Say just 3-5 days) , then these guys are faced with learning curve disadvantage and time constraint (and some budget constraint. Meaning they can only afford say a 5 day trip in addition to 2 travel days).
Guys who find themselves in this situation and say are very quickly on their last 48 hrs of a short visit will optimize differently. They've paid a lot for the travel and hotel already, their vacation days are mostly up... in a hurry. So they are now faced with either paying another $100-$150 a day for the last 2 nights vs not! And that's on top of at least $750-$1500 they have already spent in air , hotel etc for their short visit.
Statistically, the majority of visitors to Pattaya are only there for less than a week, often 5 days or less. After 48 hours, they realize, heck I've only got 3 days to go! Got to make the best of it. That's the Logic!
My next trip is for 5 weeks and then there are guys like BBoi who if I remember right maybe for 6 months. And folks like Mr ENT who is in and out and has a LT apt there. But these are the small minority. But even I act and decision differently on the last 2-3 days vs the first 20-30 days.
And , If I was girl working there I too would learn very quickly to focus on the guys who are quick turn around visitors and take the max I can. After all, from their POV it looks like there are many thousands of suckers born everyday in Pattaya. That's how I would maximize for myself!
So, it's a tough situation if you are in a Go Go and they've already got you waste a few hours and spend say 500-1000 baht and there are say only 10-15 girls and 15-20 men.
The girls will always have a tomorrow with more suckers. But the quick tourist visitors have a ticking clock and after that they will be back in whatever shit hole they came from. Like India. Or prison county they came from like Norway or UK or Canada or you know where! Back in the USA! 👻.
As a result of all of the above 1 ) the majority of the guys will just focus on their short visit and optimize for themselves for the next 3 days ( without caring about anyone else or what will happen to prices and how it will affect things in the future) and 2) the girls will do what's in their immediate best interest based on where they are working , how they look vs other girl competition in their location , the number of guys in from of them and how much they absolutely need to make for the next few days besides what they make from the drinks guys buy for them. Neither side is thinking next month or next year. So, what you have is you have ..... The net result of this 2 party group and individual dynamic of time constraints , $ and optimization for each from their POV.
Banana Boi
09-08-16, 02:45
So, it's a tough situation if you are in a Go Go and they've already got you waste a few hours and spend say 500-1000 baht and there are say only 10-15 girls and 15-20 men.I can see you are not a gogo guy at all by this sentence. 500-1000 baht won't last 30 minutes in most gogo bars if you are buying ladydrinks. 10-15 girls? Sensations, Baccara, Happy on a good night have over 100 girls each, with FAR fewer men.
I search high and low for top optics. Skipping gogo clubs altogether makes no sense to a guy where looks is the highest priority.
Out of my current main girls, 5 are from gogo clubs, 3 from beer bars, 2 from Soi 6, and 3 from G- clubs. Also have 3 Thermae girls in BKK. Just met an amazing beer bar girl the other night who would rank #2 in the looks department. Personally, when I walk into iBar / Insomnia, 808, Mixx, Red Car, etc. I can't find any who are top optics.
Banana Boi
09-08-16, 03:08
Thought this info may be helpful for those planning a trip next year. Just my personal observation based on the venues I visit but these past 2 weeks I have noticed much fewer girls at almost all the Pattaya places. All June, July, and most of August seemed fine not significantly different than say March or November when I have previously been here.
OlderMan4U
09-08-16, 04:03
I had a decent time, and understand you can't win 'them all. I'm also an experienced monger, so it takes quite a bit of GFE to get me going. I can detect any girl just going through the motion or trying hard to get a quick release. Won't be happening, LOL!Same here. I like to have some connection with a girl for the evening. Nothing turns me off more than a girl who just goes through the motions in the bedroom, unfortunately sometimes you can't tell until you get to that point. The rushed feeling as she wants to quickly take a shower and wants to put on condom and do boom boom right away with no foreplay, that sense she'd rather just get through with it as fast as possible and be on her way.
OlderMan4U
09-08-16, 04:31
I can see you are not a gogo guy at all by this sentence. 500-1000 baht won't last 30 minutes in most gogo bars if you are buying ladydrinks. 10-15 girls? Sensations, Baccara, Happy on a good night have over 100 girls each, with FAR fewer men.
I search high and low for top optics. Skipping gogo clubs altogether makes no sense to a guy where looks is the highest priority.
Out of my current main girls, 5 are from gogo clubs, 3 from beer bars, 2 from Soi 6, and 3 from G- clubs. Also have 3 Thermae girls in BKK. Just met an amazing beer bar girl the other night who would rank #2 in the looks department. Personally, when I walk into iBar / Insomnia, 808, Mixx, Red Car, etc. I can't find any who are top optics.I enjoy gogo's for their ambiance. There's nothing like going inside and seeing a lot of scantily dressed lasses dancing on stage, and having some of them approach you. Total ego boost for an old bastard like me. I enjoy the company, the little chit chat and things of that sort. I don't necessarily barfine from gogo's anymore.
I do enjoy other places like beer bars and especially Soi 6. I've seen quite a few lookers in all the six bars I've been to, girls who could easily have been in a gogo. To me, paying 1000 baht is a better risk to reward ratio than paying whatever gogo girls are asking these days. And there's no pretensions or fluff, you pay and go up to boom boom right away, so there's less of that feeling you were taken for a ride if you have a dud than if you barfined a gogo girl after buying her many drinks and she ends up being a dud.
Mr Enternational
09-08-16, 04:51
Thought this info may be helpful for those planning a trip next year. Just my personal observation based on the venues I visit but these past 2 weeks I have noticed much fewer girls at almost all the Pattaya places. All June, July, and most of August seemed fine not significantly different than say March or November when I have previously been here.The calm before the storm. Hold on to your hat. High season starts in 4 days.
I can see you are not a gogo guy at all by this sentence. 500-1000 baht won't last 30 minutes in most gogo bars if you are buying ladydrinks. 10-15 girls? Sensations, Baccara, Happy on a good night have over 100 girls each, with FAR fewer men.
I search high and low for top optics. Skipping gogo clubs altogether makes no sense to a guy where looks is the highest priority.
Out of my current main girls, 5 are from gogo clubs, 3 from beer bars, 2 from Soi 6, and 3 from G- clubs. Also have 3 Thermae girls in BKK. Just met an amazing beer bar girl the other night who would rank #2 in the looks department. Personally, when I walk into iBar / Insomnia, 808, Mixx, Red Car, etc. I can't find any who are top optics.Haha. You are quite right B Boi! I am not a Go Go guy at all. I did try a few Go Gos on WS, LK Metro and Soi Cowboy (BKK). I did not last long in any of them. I bought a drink for myself, bought at least 1 drink in each place, everywhere I went, but never finished my drink and left. I had zero interest in any of the girls I saw. For 2-3 drinks (I never went past 3 drinks in total anywhere) it was never over 1000 baht total. I believe the lady drinks were between 180-240 baht depending on the place. And I probably ordered a beer, which I probably did not even consume 50 PC. That's cause I like just Cuba Libres and I love to move around and dance (when I am at Insomnia) usually from say 115 am until at least 6 am. I usually go through at least 6 Cubas there each night.
Yeah, we are all different. For one thing, I am a lot older than you now, being in my latter 50's. And, I like interacting with girls in a freer environment, compared to where they are working (with a mamasan supervising them and with whom I also have to interact), and where they have set hours, have to wear a specific uniform, and drinks they are required to sell.
At places like Insomnia or a regular Masaage place, things are bit different, and the girl has more freedom. And, I like legit massage places where they don't offer extras on site, but it's upto to you to see if you can get them to visit you. Same thing with places like Kinnaree, I would only take the girl out, LT.
But, if they have to work at 1 or 2 pm the next day, then they can't be with me 24*7, which is what I like. One girl said she could stay with me if I paid 400 baht a day, for her to miss work at a Restaurant / bar. Of course, since I liked her. I did. She never asked for anything and I gave her close to 10 K baht (for 3 days), plus meals, drinks and shopping outside of that. So, yeah. You and I come at this travel adventure thing from different angles and objectives. Just different. And so I am not being pejorative at all. Just different ways of adventuring and seeking whatever it is we like.
I hate sitting down and ogling women either topless or in a bikini. Does nothing for me! I used to. In my 20's and I liked it somewhat then. Those who know me can vouch for the fact that I never sit in a bar (even a sports bar in the US, unless I am there also to eat with others). I like dance clubs because I like to move around ALL THE TIME. Just sitting or standing in one place is just not something I like to do.
I like hanging in a place for a long time, dancing and enjoying the ambiance. I watch most of the women carefully over a long time to see how they talk, interact with others, the expressions on their face and consistency in personality. Optics are important, but what you call top optics is not as important to me. I look to decipher the person, the personality, kindness, consistency of behavior over time, and see if I can get a read on their humanity (or lack thereof).
The reason being I am not looking to keep score or tabs on quality. And instead focus on the totality (or the gestalt) of the experience since my plan 'a priori' is also to find a girl I would like to be with for several days. So, for example, last time I was in Pattaya (for 3 weeks), I only went with 6 girls. Only 3 I liked a lot and they all stayed with me for several days each. One was only 1 night and the other 2 days. One was a 20 year old massage girl who would stay overnight from 11 pm-2 pm and on those nights I did not go to Insomnia. I never do ST. I don't do Soi 6, other than to just walk around. I never actually went into a single beer bar.
I did go to many massage places but not the fish bowl kind (although I have done that before). This next time will be 5 weeks and I doubt I want to find more than 10 girls. And hope to find 4-5 keepers. I am hoping to find at least 3-4 massage girls from the non-fish bowl places. I never found anyone at any other clubs besides Insomnia. But, I may try to look harder this next time around.
Also, while I could spend more than I do, I try to spend conservatively, since I do have about $5 k of fixed expenses in the USA whether or not I am living any days in the USA. Same thing. I just finished a 18 day vacation to Maui in July / August, where I just chill, hang out in the resort, drink at the pool bar, get served by my lounge chair and I read and reflect and hit some really great restaurants and that costs me about $9-11 K every year. With my daughter. So zero girls! (So, I do strange things other than Pattaya and I've been in Maui, for about 30 something visits over the years.) In other words, I, unlike some others take a more wide angle view of living and adventuring. I will be doing that again for about 25 days in the DR when I visit the Puerto Plata and Cabarete area 3 weeks from now. For me, that is completely different. I have at least 50 new contacts and I have been conversing with them on various web sites for about 2 months now. I do things completely differently in the DR, including taking some of them to some truly outstanding all inclusive resorts for 3-4 nights, each. But, I only do that twice in 25 days and the rest in different beach town in a hotel or an apartment. Again, I take a wide angle approach to experiencing that sort of travel adventure.
So, I am never in a hurry. I am in for the adventure, meeting people of all kinds, learning and thinking, as I interact and contemplating macro things about life, and everything else. I am not just into optics. I am into meeting interesting human beings with a little bit of genuine humanity in their hearts.
None of this takes away from your approach. Since it is by definition just different, but in no way any less valid or any less appropriate. I am so very glad that we are all different and see, proactively and reactively probe and experience the reality of life that is front of us, and everything in it, in a way that we each prefer best, at that specific time and place, I. E. Our 4 D universe.
Wolvenvacht
09-08-16, 07:24
Giving 3,000 baht for a ST to a thai girl is a madness, please don't do that. To me the right price is 1,000 !
Interesting.
I like a Ferrari car and for me the right price is 10000 EUR. I don't understand why the Ferrari dealer doesn't sell me one at the right price for me. It must be that some clueless buyers have been overpaying in that market.
How successful are you in getting a hot agogo girl for 1000 baht? (I assume that includes the barfine and some drinks for her too).
:)
Member #4591
09-08-16, 07:43
The calm before the storm. Hold on to your hat. High season starts in 4 days.Interesting you say that. Booking dot com just sent me an email and next week the Pattaya hotels are dirt cheap for low season. Not sure why you think next week is the start of high season, it's not.
Member #4591
09-08-16, 07:45
Giving 3,000 baht for a ST to a thai girl is a madness, please don't do that. To me the right price is 1,000 !
Go-go bars women have become more expensive than the ones in any brothels around Europe. 800 up for bar fine plus 2. 500 up for the ST. Absolutely not recommended. In Thai Friendly many girls around 1000 - 1. 500 for ST. Beach road still 1000 easy.Ya, I agree. If you want the lady to look like her face was run over by a truck! Good god man, have you gone mad? I paid 3,500 for my last one but she was the owner of the truck that ran over the ugly girls face.
Member #4591
09-08-16, 07:50
Some love the Go Go's. Some don't!
The problem with what some guys pay is mainly one of experience and time.
If this is their first or second time. Or they can only be off from work for 1-2 trips a year (Thailand and / or other dest combined) these guys are in a jam.
And, IF they cannot get more than a week off work (or less. Say just 3-5 days) , then these guys are faced with learning curve disadvantage and time constraint (and some budget constraint. Meaning they can only afford say a 5 day trip in addition to 2 travel days).
Guys who find themselves in this situation and say are very quickly on their last 48 hrs of a short visit will optimize differently. They've paid a lot for the travel and hotel already, their vacation days are mostly up... in a hurry. So they are now faced with either paying another $100-$150 a day for the last 2 nights vs not! And that's on top of at least $750-$1500 they have already spent in air , hotel etc for their short visit.
Statistically, the majority of visitors to Pattaya are only there for less than a week, often 5 days or less. After 48 hours, they realize, heck I've only got 3 days to go! Got to make the best of it. That's the Logic!
My next trip is for 5 weeks and then there are guys like BBoi who if I remember right maybe for 6 months. And folks like Mr ENT who is in and out and has a LT apt there. But these are the small minority. But even I act and decision differently on the last 2-3 days vs the first 20-30 days.
And , If I was girl working there I too would learn very quickly to focus on the guys who are quick turn around visitors and take the max I can. After all, from their POV it looks like there are many thousands of suckers born everyday in Pattaya. That's how I would maximize for myself!
So, it's a tough situation if you are in a Go Go and they've already got you waste a few hours and spend say 500-1000 baht and there are say only 10-15 girls and 15-20 men.
The girls will always have a tomorrow with more suckers. But the quick tourist visitors have a ticking clock and after that they will be back in whatever shit hole they came from. Like India. Or prison county they came from like Norway or UK or Canada or you know where! Back in the USA! 👻.
As a result of all of the above 1 ) the majority of the guys will just focus on their short visit and optimize for themselves for the next 3 days ( without caring about anyone else or what will happen to prices and how it will affect things in the future) and 2) the girls will do what's in their immediate best interest based on where they are working , how they look vs other girl competition in their location , the number of guys in from of them and how much they absolutely need to make for the next few days besides what they make from the drinks guys buy for them. Neither side is thinking next month or next year. So, what you have is you have ..... The net result of this 2 party group and individual dynamic of time constraints , $ and optimization for each from their POV.Thanks for that Charlie! Yawn!
Ya, I agree. If you want the lady to look like her face was run over by a truck! Good god man, have you gone mad? I paid 3,500 for my last one but she was the owner of the truck that ran over the ugly girls face.Thanks for that, Dog. I think people here get you now. You are a superior human being.
MarcoStraight
09-08-16, 13:52
Some love the Go Go's. Some don't!
The problem with what some guys pay is mainly one of experience and time.If I were a short time holiday tourist I would go to Soi 6 instead of those expensive go-go's. Lot of beautiful girls in soi 6, you get what you pay, 300-350 for the room, 1000 for the girl and sometime 1000 total. Kinnaree in Jomtien is a good place too. Saturday and Sunday many beauties from Bangkok, price is 300 for the room and 1000 for the girl, plus you have a free buffet and atmosphere is very farang's friendly.
MarcoStraight
09-08-16, 14:11
Ya, I agree. If you want the lady to look like her face was run over by a truck! Good god man, have you gone mad? I paid 3,500 for my last one but she was the owner of the truck that ran over the ugly girls face.Sorry to say but you are the reason why girls in Pattaya and Bangkok have became spoiled and rude just as the western women. 3,500 baht for a short time is simply ridiculous. I think you are the one gone mad! It's not about the kind of girls but where do you get them. I give an example. Most of the beauties working in Soi 6 go to Insomnia disco later. What the difference? Difference is that in soi 6 they get a poor monger like me paying 1000 baht for a short time, while in Insomnia they're looking for somebody like you who don't mind to pay 3. 500 baht pretending to find the "owner of the truck".
MarcoStraight
09-08-16, 14:37
Interesting.
I like a Ferrari car and for me the right price is 10000 EUR. I don't understand why the Ferrari dealer doesn't sell me one at the right price for me. It must be that some clueless buyers have been overpaying in that market.
How successful are you in getting a hot agogo girl for 1000 baht? (I assume that includes the barfine and some drinks for her too)...First of all you should have read what I have written more accurately . I did not say I would pay 1000 baht for a gogo girl, I just say I don't want to go there because most of these girls are not so special comparing girls you can find everywhere. To me spending 3. 500 baht or more for 1 hour of sex with one of these pattaya girls is a waste of money.
If I want to buy a Ferrari I will go to an authorized-legit dealer, a place where I can get what I've paid for.
If I want to pay 3. 000 baht or more for a top girl I won't look in Pattaya, or at Therme, Soi Nana, etc. etc. There are many VIP clubs in Bangkok loaded of Univ. Girls. Then I'm going to pay 5 or even more thousand baht for a ST. Pegasus was one of these clubs, it's still there but not so good like before.
Member #4591
09-08-16, 15:47
Sorry to say but you are the reason why girls in Pattaya and Bangkok have becomed spoiled and rude just as the western women. 3,500 baht for a short time is simply ridiculous. I think you are the one gone mad! It's not about the kind of girls but where do you get them. I give an example. Most of the beauties working in Soi 6 go to Insomnia disco later. What the difference? Difference is that in soi 6 they get a poor monger like me paying 1000 baht for a short time, while in Insomnia they're looking for somebody like you who don't mind to pay 3. 500 baht pretending to find the "owner of the truck".The difference is I'm with a 10/10 white skinned girl no baby, and 20-22, not a soi 6 lady working at Insomnia after her shift in Soi 6. Here, let me give you an example. I met this lady on Facebook. We haven't met in person yet, but it's soon to be. She won't be 1,000 Baht, that's for sure.
Member #4591
09-08-16, 17:07
First of all you should have read what I have written more accurately . I did not say I would pay 1000 baht for a gogo girl, I just say I don't want to go there because most of these girls are not so special comparing girls you can find everywhere. To me spending 3. 500 baht or more for 1 hour of sex with one of these pattaya girls is a waste of money.
If I want to buy a Ferrari I will go to an authorized-legit dealer, a place where I can get what I've paid for.
If I want to pay 3. 000 baht or more for a top girl I won't look in Pattaya, or at Therme, Soi Nana, etc. etc. There are many VIP clubs in Bangkok loaded of Univ. Girls. Then I'm going to pay 5 or even more thousand baht for a ST. Pegasus was one of these clubs, it's still there but not so good like before.You actually said quite clearly you would never spend more than 1,000 Baht for a go go girl and you gave examples of places where you could spend that money and still get a girl of the same callibur. All we are saying is for 1,000 Baht you won't get a stunner. Simple and easy to understand I think.
IllusionHeart
09-08-16, 17:24
The calm before the storm. Hold on to your hat. High season starts in 4 days.I am returning in October and am getting the same rate for a room I in stayed in August in LK, Soi 12. Their rates are changing in November. Don't think high season is starting now. Room rates are a good indicator of when the season crowd is expected.
I am new in this forum and I don't really like to write here, because it is a little bit strange here and also difficult to find anything. LOL it needs to take a month holiday to read this tons of long story.
And what a much of BS is wrote here. Oh my god. Why nobody clear it up and leads the user a bit more?
But I can't hold back now and need to write some words to this payments of girls and mindless comparing with Ferrari car. And so on. Many girls in gogos don't look that much better, than girls in disco, freelancer, shopping mall or where else, and many have a bad service too exactly that's why they work in gogo. They prefer high prices and quick fuck, means ST. This is the best way to get big money and use the silly farangs. And also with this classification of girls, this one is a 6 or a 8 or a 10 and so on, where is this Brad Pitt or Elvis who can decide that? Everybody has his own taste, as example I am very picky and my girls need to be a stunner, so I think many of your choices of girls with 6 or 8 I maybe would not fuck for free!
I travel since many years to BKK and Patty and I know the reality.
Pricing for a working girl should have nothing to do with the standard in our rich home country, and it doesn't matter if someone can afford higher prices, this is just stupid. Just think about the money in our currency, in Dollar or Euro, and not in Baht!
Pricing should depends on the life standards of the country. In Thailand for a good work they earn about 400,- EUR for 1 month. So how can anybody pay for a working girl 50-75 EUR for just 1 hour Short time or about 100-150 EUR for 1 Longtime?? What a crazy and silly thing! One stunner girl from a bar in Patty told me, that's some days she can have 3 times short time with farangs in 1 evening / night and earn 10.000 Baht, about 250,- Euro in 1 evening. This is abnormal and the opposite of the own country standard.
And now I tell you something new – it seems like so!
The prices was going higher and higher in double and triple times since the year 2013 !
Bevor till the year 2013 every a ST was totally easy to get with 1000 Baht or less and a LT with 2000-2500 Baht!
I also got some LT for 1500! And I also can tell you, I am not able to have sex with ugly girls, in contrary, my girls always need t be pretty, they have beautiful face and slim body. In Thermae it was usual to have girls for 800/1000 for ST, the good stunners from gogos I got with 3000 for a LT! And now? In Thermae they try to get 2000/3000 for ST and in gogo they ask 4000/5000 for ST,. Its incredible, so crazy!
I live in Germany and a Sorttime here in my expensive town Munich is 50 to 100 EUR (2000-4000 Baht)! So why should I pay same and much more in a very poor country like Thailand?? Anybody still realize anything??
But what was happen? Since 2013 many chines people coming and throw out their money and also the western men compare that and do the same and pay every money the girls asking for. This is what the clever girls let make the prices higher and higher, because they know the stupid farangs will pay it anyway!
And you see its working! So many men pay that and also here in the forum people meaning its ok to pay 3000 for a ST, they have not enough experience or not much brain. This is much more than in our own country. Its not a question if you can afford it, its the fact that the girls cheat use as much as possible and laugh about this stupid farangs.
By the way I could afford to pay this high prices, but I don't do it, because I don't want to be this silly farang. And the girls trying more and more, in January I was there and in Ibar a girl was trying to get 4000/5000 for a Short time. I was laughng loud and asked her if there is much gold in her pussy. And 2 hours later I got a beauty girl for 2500 LT!
And now for all normal thinking men: There are enough girls around and also pretty one in discos, or other freelancer, or also some women from gogo when its late time in night and they want a business, which we can trade to a normal price and have a good time.
And for brainless men, its ridiculous to complain other user who knows that 1000/2000 is the right and normal price. They are right and you are the one without brain.
MarcoStraight
09-09-16, 06:37
The difference is I'm with a 10/10 white skinned girl no baby, and 20-22, not a soi 6 lady working at Insomnia after her shift in Soi 6. Here, let me give you an example. I met this lady on Facebook. We haven't met in person yet, but it's soon to be. She won't be 1,000 Baht, that's for sure.I suggest you to read my first post in this debate. We were talking about Go-Go's girl and short time girls in Pattaya area (is this Pattaya thread or what? Could you find a girl like the one you have posted in any go-go bars around Pattaya? Hell no! Anyway, for the experience I have, that white skin beauty you are going to meet, will charge you a ridiculous price, probably 5000 baht up, to act like a zombie in your bed. Sorry not for me. I'm not looking for fancy piece of wood, I'm not a collector. I prefer a 6/10 isanian dark skin with a nice ass and a friendly attitude who will play real rock'and'roll in bed.
Eszpresszo
09-09-16, 14:41
The difference is I'm with a 10/10 white skinned girl no baby, and 20-22, not a soi 6 lady working at Insomnia after her shift in Soi 6. Here, let me give you an example. I met this lady on Facebook. We haven't met in person yet, but it's soon to be. She won't be 1,000 Baht, that's for sure.I'm sure I'm not the only person who finds this kind of bragging a bit sophomoric. After all, mongering is supposed to be about fun. This is not the situation in which you need to prove something with your trophy girl, especially to people you will never meet or actually know. Any of us can put up pictures of girls and make claims about how great she is going to be, but are we any wiser for it?
MarcoStraight
09-09-16, 16:17
Some pics taken by myself of girls who actually ask 1. 000/1. 500 baht for short time in Pattaya.
Sure they are not among the - "10/10 white skinned girls - no baby - not soi 6 bar girls " - that use to meet Mr. Bkkdog, but they are more than good for me, and I can guarantee you that they gonna blow you up in bed.
The one in stocking is a normal ladybar working in Soi Bowkao area while the naked one on soi 6. Age around 22 - 24 .
Some pics taken by myself of girls who actually ask 1. 000/1. 500 baht for short time in Pattaya.
Sure they are not among the - "10/10 white skinned girls - no baby - not soi 6 bar girls " - that use to meet Mr. Bkkdog, but they are more than good for me, and I can guarantee you that they gonna blow you up in bed.
The one in stocking is a normal ladybar working in Soi Bowkao area while the naked one on soi 6. Age around 22 - 24 .Very nice bodies and for sure the right price. That is what they all should be getting.
MarcoStraight
09-09-16, 16:49
Just to be clear. I understand people who are just too lazy to go around preferring to call an escort agency. Nothing wrong with that. I did it too sometime, but if we talk about freelancers, go-go bars, discoteque, night clubs, etc. Etc. It's a madness to spoil girls with thousands of baht.
Go to the bars, meet the girls, be polite, chat a little bit. The first approach will probably cost you a bit more (on drinks, bars, etc), then you get phone numbers and they're going to your room for not more than a thousand baht ST.
I'm talking about girls like the one in the pic below. Who cares if the girl is super white, got no tattoo or has an innocent face. I'm not in Pattaya for falling in love or to prove I can buy the most angelic face type. I need action, not bloody romantic tricks. Rock'and'Roll baby!
MarcoStraight
09-09-16, 17:54
Pricing for a working girl should have nothing to do with the standard in our rich home country, and it doesn't matter if someone can afford higher prices, this is just stupid. Just think about the money in our currency, in Dollar or Euro, and not in Baht!Yes my friend, you get to the point. The first rule for a true monger should be, as you said, to analyze the price on the life standards of the country.
Now, a girl working at 7/11 get 7.000/10.000 baht (with overtime) monthly, which is about 260.00 Euro. A girl working in a factory like Chevrolet, get 15.000 baht (overtime) which is 384.00 Euro. A Bank employee get 20,000 = about 500.00 Eur, as an head nurse working at Bangkok Pattaya Hospital, so let's say that the average of salary in Thailand is 15.000 baht (384,00 Eur), while the average of salary in Europe is about 1. 500 euro (about 58.000 baht) . Paying 5000 baht a girl in Thailand for a ST is like giving 1/3 of the salary average. It's like giving 500 euro for a ST to a girl in Germany, Holland, France or Italy. If some of you guys have good pension and want to waste your money, no problem at all, but please, stop to "broadcasting" that 3.500 baht for a ST in Pattaya is the norm! Because it's NOT!
Yes my friend, you get to the point. The first rule for a true monger should be, as you said, to analyze the price on the life standards of the country.
Now, a girl working at 7/11 get 7. 000/10. 000 baht (with overtime) monthly, wich is about 260.00 Euro. A girl working in a factory like Chevrolet, get 15.000 baht (overtime) wich is 384.00 Euro. A Bank employee get 20,000 = about 500.00 Eur, as an head nurse working at Bangkok Pattaya Hospital, so let's say that the average of salary in Thailand is 15.000 baht (384,00 Eur), while the average of salary in Europe is about 1. 500 euro (about 58.000 baht) . Paying 5000 baht a girl in Thailand for a ST is like giving 1/3 of the salary average. It's like giving 500 euro for a ST to a girl in Germany, Holland, France or Italy. If some of you guys have good pension and want to waste your money, no problem at all, but please, stop to "broadcasting" that 3. 500 baht for a ST in Pattaya is the norm! Because it's NOT!You're perfectly right! Can't agree with you more. I simply reject the idea of paying for ST in Thailand same price I'd pay in Europe, even I was a $ billionaire, no way, wtf this bit*h is asking one third of the average monthly salary just for a fu*k you go back working the rice field you won't see my money.
1000 baht it's a lot of money for the average thai people with a normal job who have to work more than 3 days to earn that amount. Think of this everytime you're paying a prostitute. Well at least I do, you can do what you want it's your money, but then don't come on here saying 3500 b is the right price for ST, or that people not willing to pay that money are cheap charlie, because otherwise I'd know how to call you.
Peace.
Yes my friend, you get to the point. The first rule for a true monger should be, as you said, to analyze the price on the life standards of the country.
Now, a girl working at 7/11 get 7. 000/10. 000 baht (with overtime) monthly, wich is about 260.00 Euro. A girl working in a factory like Chevrolet, get 15.000 baht (overtime) wich is 384.00 Euro. A Bank employee get 20,000 = about 500.00 Eur, as an head nurse working at Bangkok Pattaya Hospital, so let's say that the average of salary in Thailand is 15.000 baht (384,00 Eur), while the average of salary in Europe is about 1. 500 euro (about 58.000 baht) . Paying 5000 baht a girl in Thailand for a ST is like giving 1/3 of the salary average. It's like giving 500 euro for a ST to a girl in Germany, Holland, France or Italy. If some of you guys have good pension and want to waste your money, no problem at all, but please, stop to "broadcasting" that 3. 500 baht for a ST in Pattaya is the norm! Because it's NOT!Are we double checking the math here? 384 euro per month in Thailand would seem about normal for the average worker. What doesn't look correct is the 1500 euro monthly salary as being 'average'. 1500 euro per month would 18000 euro per year, there's no way that number is correct. Think the problem here is you bring up salary and then switch to pension but even 18000 per year with a pension sounds lowball.
MarcoStraight
09-10-16, 02:32
Are we double checking the math here? 384 euro per month in Thailand would seem about normal for the average worker. What doesn't look correct is the 1500 euro monthly salary as being 'average'. 1500 euro per month would 18000 euro per year, there's no way that number is correct. Think the problem here is you bring up salary and then switch to pension but even 18000 per year with a pension sounds lowball.Sorry, I don't get your point. Do you mean that the average in Europe is lower or higher?
You can take a look on the web. 2015/2016.
https://www.reinisfischer.com/average-salary-european-union-2015
https://www.reinisfischer.com/average-salary-european-union-2016
MarcoStraight
09-10-16, 02:57
You're perfectly right! Can't agree with you more. I simply reject the idea of paying for ST in Thailand same price I'd pay in Europe, even I was a $ billionaire, no way, wtf this bit*h is asking one third of the average monthly salary just for a fu*k you go back working the rice field you won't see my money.
1000 baht it's a lot of money for the average thai people with a normal job who have to work more than 3 days to earn that amount. Think of this everytime you're paying a prostitute. Well at least I do, you can do what you want it's your money, but then don't come on here saying 3500 b is the right price for ST, or that people not willing to pay that money are cheap charlie, because otherwise I'd know how to call you.
Peace.And the sad thing is that 99,9 % of the girls working in sex business coming from poor villages around north area where people use to live with 3. 000 baht a month. I'm talking about North east (Isaan) and west (Sukhothai area, etc. Etc.). When they say: "I'm from Sukhothai. Chang Mai. Udon Thani. Kon kaen. Surin. Buriram, etc. " it's all untrue. They all live in small villages 100 km or more far from the main city. They move to the big cities where all farangs and rich people are (Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Chang Mai, Ko samui, etc.) pretending to be superstars. Even the Univ. Girls, the very white ones who probably say they're from Bangkok, they're not. They have all families living in the north.
Mr Enternational
09-10-16, 08:13
When they say: "I'm from Sukhothai. Chang Mai. Udon Thani. Kon kaen. Surin. Buriram, etc. " it's all untrue. They all live in small villages 100 km or more far from the main city. They move to the big cities where all farangs and rich people are (Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Chang Mai, Ko samui, etc.) pretending to be superstars. Even the Univ. Girls, the very white ones who probably say they're from Bangkok, they're not. They have all families living in the north.Sure you think that until you have visited home with them and find out they ARE actually from Bangkok, etc. Not sure why it would matter though. Don't farang who are from some podunk town usually round up to the closest bigger city that someone may have heard of as well?
And the sad thing is that 99,9 % of the girls working in sex business coming from poor villages around north area where people use to live with 3. 000 baht a month. I'm talking about North east (Isaan) and west (Sukhothai area, etc. Etc.). When they say: "I'm from Sukhothai. Chang Mai. Udon Thani. Kon kaen. Surin. Buriram, etc. " it's all untrue. They all live in small villages 100 km or more far from the main city. They move to the big cities where all farangs and rich people are (Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Chang Mai, Ko samui, etc.) pretending to be superstars. Even the Univ. Girls, the very white ones who probably say they're from Bangkok, they're not. They have all families living in the north.There are many guys here on this board who are great guys! I've met a few of them in various countries.
But, why do the majority of the posters on the ISG board talk so poorly and downright insultingly of women in other countries?
Why can't many of these guys here put themselves in their shoes, and also try to comprehend and appreciate some of the life issues from the locals' (in the other countries) point of view?
Is it not possible to travel, adventure, meet women, date women, pick up women in different kinds of bars (Go Go, Beer bars, other Sois, or clubs, or equivalent in other countries), under whatever financial arrangement works best for both parties AND still have a heart? Not at all talking about a LT GF, love, marriage or sending money monthly from afar..... But just for the time when we are in their countries / with them? Can't guys just be cool?
Yeah, sure there will be rip offs now and then (nature of stats in life, generally speaking), bad decisions, things that just don't work out etc. Bad girl's, bad experiences. All a part of life everywhere in the world!
But, even given all of the above, are the majority (greater than 50 PC) of the guys on this board just really bad guys. Some jerks, some bad apples, some looking for a fight in a foreign country, some trying to cheat girls in their country, some with some hate, some with big superiority complex because they have some money, etc. Etc. ?
Sometimes, I feel that there are too many guys here who deserve to get what they end up with.
I don't know. But I think it's possible to adventure in different countries, with some appreciation for their local, personal situations and some respect for their history, context and culture and still experience the life of an adventurer. If the vast majority of the guys did that, then I think we'd all be better off. I'm not holding my breath for this though.
Having spent 20 odd years managing global businesses for Fortune 50 global corporates, I find a lot of the sentiments here intensely appalling.
No wonder things everywhere seem to be getting more expensive, more difficult, less appealing, less of a pleasure..... And more of a rip off.
Karma dudes! IMO, many here deserve what they get!
( I'm sure I'll get some pointed and hard feedback for the above....I'm prepared for it though ....so fire away).
Wolvenvacht
09-10-16, 11:36
There are many guys here on this board who are great guys! I've met a few of them in various countries.
But, why do the majority of the posters on the ISG board talk so poorly and downright insultingly of women in other countries?
(. . .)
Karma dudes! IMO, many here deserve what they get!
( I'm sure I'll get some pointed and hard feedback for the above....I'm prepared for it though ....so fire away).Hear, hear! I second your position.
It is not because I had the good luck to have some spare money that allows me to travel a few times each year that I should look down upon the less fortunate people. They all deserve our respect. When I'm hungry I will appreciate the street food cook much more than the CEO of a global food company and when I'm horny, the Soi 6 sweetheart will be my favorite rather than the HiSo "old money" socialite.
Member #4591
09-10-16, 13:55
And the sad thing is that 99,9 % of the girls working in sex business coming from poor villages around north area where people use to live with 3. 000 baht a month. I'm talking about North east (Isaan) and west (Sukhothai area, etc. Etc.). When they say: "I'm from Sukhothai. Chang Mai. Udon Thani. Kon kaen. Surin. Buriram, etc. " it's all untrue. They all live in small villages 100 km or more far from the main city. They move to the big cities where all farangs and rich people are (Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Chang Mai, Ko samui, etc.) pretending to be superstars. Even the Univ. Girls, the very white ones who probably say they're from Bangkok, they're not. They have all families living in the north.Not all bar girls are poor from Isaan. Take the time to get to know them a little. They are not just pieces of meat for us to get our rocks off on. It is amazing was happens when you treat the girls like a real person, they become much more responsive. Generosity gets you a long way. So what if you pay 500-1000 more, this could mean the difference between the lady going after 2 hours to staying the whole night.
There are many guys here on this board who are great guys! I've met a few of them in various countries. But, why do the majority of the posters on the ISG board talk so poorly and downright insultingly of women in other countries? Why can't many of these guys here put themselves in their shoes, and also try to comprehend and appreciate some of the life issues from the locals' (in the other countries) point of view?We are all young, fit, extremely good looking and god's gift to these poor Thais. I mean, really, they should be paying us instead. Who are these clowns even paying 1000 for ST? Totally ruining the market for the less appealing gentlemen.
MarcoStraight
09-10-16, 15:19
There are many guys here on this board who are great guys! I've met a few of them in various countries.
But, why do the majority of the posters on the ISG board talk so poorly and downright insultingly of women in other countries?
Why can't many of these guys here put themselves in their shoes, and also try to comprehend and appreciate some of the life issues from the locals' (in the other countries) point of view?
Is it not possible to travel, adventure, meet women, date women, pick up women in different kinds of bars (Go Go, Beer bars, other Sois, or clubs, or equivalent in other countries), under whatever financial arrangement works best for both parties AND still have a heart? Not at all talking about a LT GF, love, marriage or sending money monthly from afar..... But just for the time when we are in their countries / with them? Can't guys just be cool?
Yeah, sure there will be rip offs now and then (nature of stats in life, generally speaking), bad decisions, things that just don't work out etc. Bad girl's, bad experiences. All a part of life everywhere in the world!
But, even given all of the above, are the majority (greater than 50 PC) of the guys on this board just really bad guys. Some jerks, some bad apples, some looking for a fight in a foreign country, some trying to cheat girls in their country, some with some hate, some with big superiority complex because they have some money, etc. Etc. ?
Sometimes, I feel that there are too many guys here who deserve to get what they end up with.
I don't know. But I think it's possible to adventure in different countries, with some appreciation for their local, personal situations and some respect for their history, context and culture and still experience the life of an adventurer. If the vast majority of the guys did that, then I think we'd all be better off. I'm not holding my breath for this though.
Having spent 20 odd years managing global businesses for Fortune 50 global corporates, I find a lot of the sentiments here intensely appalling.
No wonder things everywhere seem to be getting more expensive, more difficult, less appealing, less of a pleasure..... And more of a rip off.
Karma dudes! IMO, many here deserve what they get!
( I'm sure I'll get some pointed and hard feedback for the above....I'm prepared for it though ....so fire away).Your post has nothing wrong and I agree with most of it, except that is totally irrelevant to the thread or better say "out of topic".
Discussion was not about treating Thai women in a good / bad way, just do not overpay them.
Could you please stick to the topic? So you disagree with me with what? What did I say which is untrue? Please enlighten me.
Actually Thai women consider a "jai dee farang" (good heart foreigner) the one with big money willing to buy house, car and other things for the family. Doesn't matter if the guy was an ex thug, a bandit or has criminal records. Does he take care the family? He's good.
You might have managed thousand of global business for 30 years but your experience in mongering is less than zero!
This is World Sex Guide forum, most of the people here are humble mongers not billionaires competing on get the most beautiful girl like in a auction.
Funny when you talk about karma. We certainly have different point of view.
Loading a hooker with money when the average of the normal workers here get almost nothing is not only a madness, it's immoral.
I saw people giving 5000 or more for a ST, others pretending to buy women's love supporting their family, buying houses, etc. Etc. This is disgusting and immoral, and it goes against the karma.
You want to help a poor family in Isaan? Go to any f_uckin no-profit organization up to the north and make a bloody donation.
Personally I never had problems with Thai girls after 35 years of Thailand. I've always treat them with dignity and respect, and this is what I've always get back.
MarcoStraight
09-10-16, 15:32
Generosity gets you a long way.Please don't talk about generosity here, this word is inappropriate and has nothing to do with people like us who pay for having sex. You want to be generous? As I said before, go to any orphanage or no-profit organization and make a bloody donation, then you will be generous to me.
What you are actually doing now is a women auction where you are the highest bidder.
Generosity my ass.
AssLover945
09-10-16, 15:45
Not all bar girls are poor from Isaan. Take the time to get to know them a little. They are not just pieces of meat for us to get our rocks off on. It is amazing was happens when you treat the girls like a real person, they become much more responsive. Generosity gets you a long way. So what if you pay 500-1000 more, this could mean the difference between the lady going after 2 hours to staying the whole night.My generosity is limited to 100-200 bahts for kuey-tiaow or mama.
I don't believe in spoiling the market for other mongers by giving 500-1000 Bahts as tips.
I rather give a girl repeat business and get a better service.
Uncle Volodya
09-10-16, 17:46
Please don't talk about generosity here, this word is inapproriate and has nothing to do with people like us who pay for having sex. You want to be generous? As I said before, go to any orphanage or no-profit organization and make a bloody donation, then you will be generous to me.
What you are actually doing now is a women auction where you are the highest bidder.
Generosity my ass.Mr Marco,
I acknowledge that everyone is entitled to an opinion. And everyone has their own budget and how much they cans spend depending on their socio-economic circumstances.
But you are not adding anything to the board in the way of useful information or knowledge. That is the main reason most of us come hear. Not to get lectured about how much we should be paying for pussy.
Your posts are just dragging us back down to the boring and fruitless price debates.
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Uncle Volodya
09-10-16, 20:34
Mr. Uncle Volovodka.
The board is followed not only by expert billionair mongers like you and your friends. It's followed also by normal people, mostly newbies, that want to know how much is the average of a fuck in Pattaya.
Doesn't matter what's your budget or your socio-economic-shit, if you are in Pattaya and you pay 3. 500 for a short time, you are a fuckin idiot!I have never paid more than 2500ST, but what I pay is my own damn business. As for any other contribution you have made, everyone already knew the price structure. We did not need you to enlighten us on the fact that ST on Soi 6 is 1300 baht.
At the risk of missing out on any great kernels of information you may offer in the future I will add you, sir, to my ignore list. Somehow I don't think I will regret this decision.
Uncle-V out!
I have a confession to make, and you are not going to like it. My entire mongering career, I have been spoiling the market. I have paid over the odds for beautiful women in Thailand. On a few occasions I paid market-rates, for example paying a Beach Rd girl 800 baht. On those occasions, I received mediocre service: she was in and out (as was I, hah! Hah! . . . umm), wham, bam, thank you maam. I did get my rocks off, I paid relatively little, I was mildly satisfied in a purely physical sense, but at least on those occasions, I did not spoil the market. Good boy, Kumbu, good boy. At least I tried.
But then my weakness overcame me. I found beautiful women in a nightclub, or a gogo bar, and I wanted to have more than just physical copulation. I found that the easiest way to do that was to be slightly more loose with the cash. I tried other things, of course. I took them to dinner, or tried to be a charmer, or dressed very nicely. I tried smiling like a goof ball, or to be the strong silent type. But in reality, and the reason we are all here on ISG, nothing works like the cash, and that's the Golden Rule. So I would over-tip, paying a total of 2500 baht for ST (gasp. . .), and the lady would smile on her way out. The next day, I was back with her, and she was fucking my brains out like I was the only man in the world. On those occasions, I was utterly satisfied, just fully spent and properly satiated. Of course, I had spoiled the market (tsk-tsk), true, but I had a smile on my face.
And on even more decadent nights, I would offer the girl 4000 baht for ST: whaaaaaaa? I know, I know, send me to the gas chamber, I totally deserve it. If you like, call me a. . .
a fuckin idiot!I get it. And of course, on the subsequent encounter with that girl, well, let's just say that my balls were on fire. But to be honest, there was not an appreciable difference between 2500 baht and 4000 baht, and so I figured there is a sweet spot. Anything over 2500 baht (for me at least, given who I am, my age, my ethnicity, the chemistry I can generate with the girls, and what the girls think of me), the law of diminishing returns kicks in. And so my sweet spot is somewhere in the 2500-3000 baht range. That's been my experience, and I'm sorry, but you just cannot argue with that. Decades of experience in Thailand and I have found that this amount is what works for me (it does gradually creep up, I must admit). I will gladly share this information with people on ISG, and they can do with it what they please.
The issue for me is that there are two sides to the 'Don't Spoil the Market' equation: payment amount, and the return on that investment. What did you actually get in return for your payment? For me, I pay 2500 baht and I get a superior experience (on the return visit, it must be said). If I pay less, there is a noticeable reduction in the quality of experience, and if I pay more, there is not a noticeable increase in the quality of the experience. For some on this board, they pay very little, but all I read about their experience is that they fucked, with 6 pops, and 2-3 holes. Or whatever. But I don't know if that would work for me. All I can do is use my own experience, with some guidance from the posts here on ISG, to estimate what my investment is going to be. And one final point: I recognize that even though I am complicating the analysis just a little here, it is a horrible oversimplification. It's not the case that 2500 baht will always get you a great experience, nor that 800 baht will always get you a mechanical experience: each girl is different. But modulo that factor, I think we need to recognize that there are multiple markets in play here: low end, mid-level, high-end.
So yes, I confess, I spoiled the market. Perhaps I single-handedly fragmented the market into the multiple markets, who knows. I have tried paying less, and while that level of payment always results in ejaculate being extracted from my testicles, the mechanical nature of that experience is not what pleases me. I just don't get precisely the experience that I am seeking. I have tried it. And it does not work for me. It doesn't. It really doesn't. You can continue on and on about how I am spoiling the market, how dumb you think people like me are, etc. But the market is not my concern, nor how smart you think I am. My concern is what I get for my investment.
I figured this out based upon my own experience, as well as some guidelines from ISG. So I find all those Market Warriors who report on low prices very helpful. But the Market Evangelicals, well, not so much.
Koperen Klaas
09-11-16, 00:52
Hear, hear! I second your position.
It is not because I had the good luck to have some spare money that allows me to travel a few times each year that I should look down upon the less fortunate people. They all deserve our respect. When I'm hungry I will appreciate the street food cook much more than the CEO of a global food company and when I'm horny, the Soi 6 sweetheart will be my favorite rather than the HiSo "old money" socialite.This guy Marco is apparently a cheapskate who hates people with an even slightly different view on life. I think Uncle V. Did the wise thing by putting him on his ignore list.
I have a short ignore list myself reserved for the more obnoxious of posters.
Regards,
Ko.
Member #4591
09-11-16, 01:26
My generosity is limited to 100-200 bahts for kuey-tiaow or mama.
I don't believe in spoiling the market for other mongers by giving 500-1000 Bahts as tips.
I rather give a girl repeat business and get a better service.You my brother are entitled to your own opinion but spoiling the market is not quite the result of a 500-1000 tip. Let's get back to reporting shall we? You and I share one love, that is the beautiful rear ends of Thai ladies. I would love to hear the story about the best rear end you have seen on a Thai lady. Mine was actually not Thai. Believe it or not she was Burmese and was working at Thermae.
Member #4591
09-11-16, 01:39
Mr. Uncle Volovodka.
The board is followed not only by expert billionair mongers like you and your friends. It's followed also by normal people, mostly newbies, that want to know how much is the average of a fuck in Pattaya.
Doesn't matter what's your budget or your socio-economic-shit, if you are in Pattaya and you pay 3. 500 for a short time, you are a fuckin idiot!Marco, I have no idea where you came from all of a sudden but I would suggest that you put these dam price issues to bed. If you say you care so much about the newbies reading the board then let them read the reports without having to go through all this bickering about pricing. Secondly, I wouldn't suggest calling people fuckin idiots on this board. I have run into many members around Thailand since we often frequent the same venues. I don't think the reception would be very warm. Now instead of continuing this ridiculous doscussion, why don't you write a report?
Here's my question: I am a newbie traveling to Thailand. My budget for a 1 week trip is 30,000 Baht. Where are the best hotels to stay in and where could one on this budget get the best bang for their buck? Now that would be some useful information and dam good report for newbies to read. I can make some suggestions but i think you are the man for the job. I look forward to your report with eager anticipation.
Member #4591
09-11-16, 01:52
Your post has nothing wrong and I agree with most of it, except that is totally irrilevant to the thread or better say "out of topic".
Discussion was not about treating thai women in a good / bad way, just do not overpay them.
Could you please stick to the topic? So you disagree with me with what? What did I say wich is untrue? Please enlighten me.
Actually thai women consider a "jai dee farang" (good heart foreigner) the one with big money willing to buy house, car and other things for the family. Doesn't matter if the guy was an ex thug, a bandit or has criminal records. Does he take care the family? He's good.
You might have managed thousand of global businsess for 30 years but your experience in mongering is less than zero!
This is World Sex Guide forum, most of the people here are humble mongers not billionaires competing on get the most beautiful girl like in a auction.
Funny when you talk about karma. We certainly have different point of view.
Loading a hooker with money when the average of the normal workers here get almost nothing is not only a madness, it's immoral.
I saw people giving 5000 or more for a ST, others pretending to buy women's love supporting their family, buying houses, etc. Etc. This is disgusting and immoral, and it goes against the karma.
You want to help a poor family in Isaan? Go to any f_uckin no-profit organization up to the north and make a bloody donation.
Personally I never had problems with thai girls after 35 years of Thailand. I've always treat them with dignity and respect, and this is what I've always get back.Maco, please go out, find a non WG Thai lady that can speak English. Talk with her for an hour. I think you will be surprised!
OlderMan4U
09-11-16, 02:50
I wish we could get away from these never ending price bickering wars and leave those to the kids on the other message forums.
I care not what one person pays compared to another, on this Pattaya section, I only care about what people are paying in general, without people jumping in and crucifying others for how they spend their money. In addition to the reviews on the quality of the women in gogo's, beer bars, etc.
ChinkChink
09-11-16, 03:57
I have a confession to make, and you are not going to like it. My entire mongering career, I have been spoiling the market. I have paid over the odds for beautiful women in Thailand. On a few occasions I paid market-rates, for example paying a Beach Rd girl 800 baht. On those occasions, I received mediocre service: she was in and out (as was I, hah! Hah! . . . umm), wham, bam, thank you maam. I did get my rocks off, I paid relatively little, I was mildly satisfied in a purely physical sense, but at least on those occasions, I did not spoil the market. Good boy, Kumbu, good boy. At least I tried.
But then my weakness overcame me. I found beautiful women in a nightclub, or a gogo bar, and I wanted to have more than just physical copulation. I found that the easiest way to do that was to be slightly more loose with the cash. I tried other things, of course. I took them to dinner, or tried to be a charmer, or dressed very nicely. I tried smiling like a goof ball, or to be the strong silent type. But in reality, and the reason we are all here on ISG, nothing works like the cash, and that's the Golden Rule. So I would over-tip, paying a total of 2500 baht for ST (gasp. . .), and the lady would smile on her way out. The next day, I was back with her, and she was fucking my brains out like I was the only man in the world. On those occasions, I was utterly satisfied, just fully spent and properly satiated. Of course, I had spoiled the market (tsk-tsk), true, but I had a smile on my face...I too apologize for spoiling the market. If a beach road hottie ask for more than market but not outrageous- I pay. For gods sake its $10-$15 more. There's lots of money to be made just go out and make some guys!
MarcoStraight
09-11-16, 04:19
Maco, please go out, find a non WG Thai lady that can speak English. Talk with her for an hour. I think you will be surprised!No worry. I'm surprised already. To know that people like you use to get girls in a place like Thermae for 3. 500 baht ST is a big shock. No wonder why most of the Thai girls think that farangs are all idiots. Thanks.
Member #4591
09-11-16, 04:39
I have a confession to make, and you are not going to like it. My entire mongering career, I have been spoiling the market. I have paid over the odds for beautiful women in Thailand. On a few occasions I paid market-rates, for example paying a Beach Rd girl 800 baht. On those occasions, I received mediocre service: she was in and out (as was I, hah! Hah! . . . umm), wham, bam, thank you maam. I did get my rocks off, I paid relatively little, I was mildly satisfied in a purely physical sense, but at least on those occasions, I did not spoil the market. Good boy, Kumbu, good boy. At least I tried.
But then my weakness overcame me. I found beautiful women in a nightclub, or a gogo bar, and I wanted to have more than just physical copulation. I found that the easiest way to do that was to be slightly more loose with the cash. I tried other things, of course. I took them to dinner, or tried to be a charmer, or dressed very nicely. I tried smiling like a goof ball, or to be the strong silent type. But in reality, and the reason we are all here on ISG, nothing works like the cash, and that's the Golden Rule. So I would over-tip, paying a total of 2500 baht for ST (gasp. . .), and the lady would smile on her way out. The next day, I was back with her, and she was fucking my brains out like I was the only man in the world. On those occasions, I was utterly satisfied, just fully spent and properly satiated. Of course, I had spoiled the market (tsk-tsk), true, but I had a smile on my face.
And on even more decadent nights, I would offer the girl 4000 baht for ST: whaaaaaaa? I know, I know, send me to the gas chamber, I totally deserve it. If you like, call me a. . .
I get it. And of course, on the subsequent encounter with that girl, well, let's just say that my balls were on fire. But to be honest, there was not an appreciable difference between 2500 baht and 4000 baht, and so I figured there is a sweet spot. Anything over 2500 baht (for me at least, given who I am, my age, my ethnicity, the chemistry I can generate with the girls, and what the girls think of me), the law of diminishing returns kicks in. And so my sweet spot is somewhere in the 2500-3000 baht range. That's been my experience, and I'm sorry, but you just cannot argue with that. Decades of experience in Thailand and I have found that this amount is what works for me (it does gradually creep up, I must admit). I will gladly share this information with people on ISG, and they can do with it what they please.
The issue for me is that there are two sides to the 'Don't Spoil the Market' equation: payment amount, and the return on that investment. What did you actually get in return for your payment? For me, I pay 2500 baht and I get a superior experience (on the return visit, it must be said). If I pay less, there is a noticeable reduction in the quality of experience, and if I pay more, there is not a noticeable increase in the quality of the experience. For some on this board, they pay very little, but all I read about their experience is that they fucked, with 6 pops, and 2-3 holes. Or whatever. But I don't know if that would work for me. All I can do is use my own experience, with some guidance from the posts here on ISG, to estimate what my investment is going to be. And one final point: I recognize that even though I am complicating the analysis just a little here, it is a horrible oversimplification. It's not the case that 2500 baht will always get you a great experience, nor that 800 baht will always get you a mechanical experience: each girl is different. But modulo that factor, I think we need to recognize that there are multiple markets in play here: low end, mid-level, high-end.
So yes, I confess, I spoiled the market. Perhaps I single-handedly fragmented the market into the multiple markets, who knows. I have tried paying less, and while that level of payment always results in ejaculate being extracted from my testicles, the mechanical nature of that experience is not what pleases me. I just don't get precisely the experience that I am seeking. I have tried it. And it does not work for me. It doesn't. It really doesn't. You can continue on and on about how I am spoiling the market, how dumb you think people like me are, etc. But the market is not my concern, nor how smart you think I am. My concern is what I get for my investment.
I figured this out based upon my own experience, as well as some guidelines from ISG. So I find all those Market Warriors who report on low prices very helpful. But the Market Evangelicals, well, not so much.Very well put. Thanks for taking the time to write what I was too lazy to.
I have added your report to the reports of distinction thread and noticed you had another one there. Great reporting as always. Love readimg everything you write. Is writing your chosen profession? I think daily blogging is in your future and pays well on You Tube.
Member #4591
09-11-16, 04:49
I wish we could get away from these never ending price bickering wars and leave those to the kids on the other message forums.
I care not what one person pays compared to another, on this Pattaya section, I only care about what people are paying in general, without people jumping in and crucifying others for how they spend their money. In addition to the reviews on the quality of the women in gogo's, beer bars, etc.I am not defending anyone here but you should contribute something to the forum before making a comment like that. I tend to agree with you but you have really not earned the right to complain about the content of other posts with a post count of 5. So even though Marco is a little over the top with his comments, he has earned the right because of his contributions to the forum as wells as Syggs when talking about the quality of girls.
1. I try very hard not to overpay. I can afford to. But I don't, and I certainly don't set high expectations. I believe in under promising and overdelivering.
In Thailand, the max I agreed to pay for LT was 2,500 for a girl in Insomnia (not a beer bar or Go Go girl) who was 8 in terms of looks, dress, figure and age (20). And, she had a German boyfriend, supporting her from afar. It was NOT my best experience. She clearly preferred the 20 something guys. And had been in Pattaya for over a year. Had learned from experience. In other words agreeing to pay a bit more, a priori does not usually (for me) turn out to be great at the end.
2. The best ones were those that agreed to 1,500 LT, BUT when they were great GFE, and they stayed with me for several days. They were all under 28 and 6's and 7's. I find that to be the sweet spot for GFE and where I can set the expectations the way I like it ( for me). And after the night, they never asked me how much. I took them shopping and spent some money on them. When they left they Never counted what I gave (before they left) or even looked at it, and simply put in their purse. And, in such instances the min I paid in cash was 3,000 baht per day.
So, in other words, when I find a girl that is great GFE, is really nice and I enjoy the chemistry, they simply stay for as long as I want them to. THEN I always pay way more than they expect. So, I only expect for find say about only 1-2 such girls every week. My next 5 week trip, if I found 5-10 these kinds of girls , I would be super happy. That's all I can handle. I prefer to stay with a girl for several days.
They never knew, and had no reason to expect shopping/gifts. And, I did not try to ever tell them that I will contact them again when I return. And, I have not had any contact with any of the, since I left Thailand. Pretty much the same in all countries with maybe about 10 exceptions in total. (who I see again).
3. And my 20 year old oil massage girl from Isaan (From a massage place near Central Fetsival mall) initially stayed LT for the night from 11 pm until 9 am for 2,000 baht (4 months ago). And later she would just drop by on her own and just stay. Never asked me for anything. No negotiation. That's what she asked and I agreed without hesitation. I knew she would be great. And, she was.
4. In the DR, or in So Paulo, or Fortaleza or Curitiba, or Peru. For example. When I meet and hook up via the dating sites, I never talk money. Never. If they bring it up, or ask me to send them $, I delete that contact / conversation. It is only in Thailand that I talk money ahead of time.
5. I am going to the DR in about 3 weeks for nearly a month and I have at least another 50 net new contacts (after deletes) and at least 15 of them I'd say very good. All 19-23. And, none of them have brought up money. The ones that did were deleted.
In general, in my experience, the higher the expectation in terms of $, ahead of time, the less the GFE. But, I'd say out of about at least 100 in the last 3 years, 80 plus percent have been great. And about 20 PC very great. 5 PC bad and I quickly parted company. Another 15 per cent, no GFE whatsoever and again parted company in less than 2 hours.
So, I am not inexperienced and I don't agree to pay a lot. And keep expectations very low.
AND, very importantly I do NOT do ANY short time (a priori). Some may turn out that way only because I choose to cut it off early.
BUT, when the girl is great, I do go above and beyond and in Thaialnd gladly pay 3,000 or more baht or more, not including food and gifts. Or in other countries (not Thailand) , many gifts and trips with them to all inclusive resorts etc. , in addition to cash. One girl in Peru was so great and stayed with me for 4 weeks. And did so many touristy things, dance clubs, restaurants, shopping etc and when I left I gave her nearly $2,000 USD. But she had already begun to tear up by the elevator. It was imply great GFE and simply great chemistry.
The point being there are many nice women in many of the above countries, if you learn how to talk to me them, engage them, be truly nice to them. But, being generous after tha fact, and rewarding the ones who are great GFE, beyond their expectations pays off well for me. Call it what you want, but maybe there is some sort of karma. And even if not, most girls can tell guys pretty quickly. They may hide it. But they know it. Particularly the jerks and the assholes. So, maybe there is some sort of karma (negative karma) there as well.
So, what I am trying to say again is that there are many nice girls....but it takes time and effort. The hit ratio for me ( scoping out a place like Insomnia ( or a dating website in other countries ) is less than 10 PC. So, it requires quite a bit of effort and experience.
Member #4591
09-11-16, 05:33
It seems MarcoStraight is not up to the challenge so here goes.
So you arrive at the airport with 30,000 Baht. Take the airport Link to Phaya Thai and change to the BTS. Take the BTS to Mo Chit station, all for about 100 Baht. Once you arrive, take a taxi to MoChit Song for 60 Baht, this is the name of the bus station nearby. There you can catch the bus to Pattaya for 120 Baht. Once in Pattaya, take a baht bus to your hotel for about 50 baht.
Now the hotel. Malee Pattaya is near Central Pattaya. It is 450 Baht per night which is very affordable and quite reasonably looking, picture attached. 420 25-31 Soi Buakhao (South Pattaya) | Nongpue, Banglamung, Pattaya 21180, Thailand. This is just an example, there are many similar options available, just use booking dot com to search.
Food is next. Spend your days eating street food such as mango or pork and sticky rice. On some days head over to sizzler for their lunch specials at 200 Baht or less and get steak and all you can eat salad bar with Pasta, soup, and fruit. There are also plenty of cheap eats in small restaurants and pubs everywhere.
Mongering the most important. Go to Soi 6 in the afternoons, have a couple of beers and choose a lady. The whole encounter should be 800-1,300 Baht. In the evenings, head over to Insomnia, beach road, or a beer bar on soi 7 or soi 8. In all locations, you can find a lady LT ranging from 1000-1,500 Baht. In summary, you will have the company of 2 ladies each day with one being together with you all night. Plan for 3,000-3,500 Baht per day for mongering.
Another interesting choice would be to pay 1 lady 15,000 Baht for 6 nights of LT. Find her on the internet before you come. Cut her loose daytimes to eliminate shopping and food expenses for the lady. Just 6 nights of action.
Now, just reverse the travel instructions and head back to the airport.
Not exackly 30,000 Baht but close I think. Sorry no photos of Sizzler and street food but there is a 10 photo minimum per post.
So in summary. As long as you can afford your round trip plane ticket, you can have a great time mongering in Pattaya for 6 nights and 7 days for under $1000 including hotel, food, ladies, a few beers, and transportation to and from the airport.
I am not defending anyone here but you should contribute something to the forum before making a comment like that. I tend to agree with you but you have really not earned the right to complain about the content of other posts with a post count of 5. So even though Marco is a little over the top with his comments, he has earned the right because of his contributions to the forum as wells as Syggs when talking about the quality of girls.Why don't you set some rules up for us so everyone knows when they can consider offering a comment.
Lone Punter
09-11-16, 08:42
"So you arrive at the airport with 30,000 Baht. Take the airport Link to Phaya Thai and change to the BTS. Take the BTS to Mo Chit station, all for about 100 Baht. Once you arrive, take a taxi to MoChit Song for 60 Baht, this is the name of the bus station nearby. There you can catch the bus to Pattaya for 120 Baht. Once in Pattaya, take a baht bus to your hotel for about 50 baht. ".
Quite a bizarre advice to chase jetlagged people who just left their plane with the luggage on to the airport link, out of the airport link into the unconvenient Phaya Tai BTS station, and out of the BTS find the bus in Mochit. Why not just recommend for those who want to save the 1500 Tb for the taxi to take the bus directly to Pattaya as the airport is pretty close to the Holy City. Cost of the bus is 120 bath or something, as the bus arrives in Jomtien, a bath bus would take any Khon Jon (poor Charly) for another 10 bath to Central Festival area.
Member #4591
09-11-16, 08:46
"So you arrive at the airport with 30,000 Baht. Take the airport Link to Phaya Thai and change to the BTS. Take the BTS to Mo Chit station, all for about 100 Baht. Once you arrive, take a taxi to MoChit Song for 60 Baht, this is the name of the bus station nearby. There you can catch the bus to Pattaya for 120 Baht. Once in Pattaya, take a baht bus to your hotel for about 50 baht. ".
Quite a bizarre advice to chase jetlagged people who just left their plane with the luggage on to the airport link, out of the airport link into the unconvenient Phaya Tai BTS station, and out of the BTS find the bus in Mochit. Why not just recommend for those who want to save the 1500 Tb for the taxi to take the bus directly to Pattaya as the airport is pretty close to the Holy City. Cost of the bus is 120 bath or something, as the bus arrives in Jomtien, a bath bus would take any Khon Jon (poor Charly) for another 10 bath to Central Festival area.Is there a bus directly from the airport to Pattaya? If so, please provide info on where to catch it at the airport. Never mind, I've just found the info and here is the link:
http://airportpattayabus.com/suvarnabhumi-airport-pattaya-bus-schedule-timetable
Member #4591
09-11-16, 08:52
It seems MarcoStraight is not up to the challenge so here goes.
So you arrive at the airport with 30,000 Baht. Take the airport Link to Phaya Thai and change to the BTS. Take the BTS to Mo Chit station, all for about 100 Baht. Once you arrive, take a taxi to MoChit Song for 60 Baht, this is the name of the bus station nearby. There you can catch the bus to Pattaya for 120 Baht. Once in Pattaya, take a baht bus to your hotel for about 50 baht.
Now the hotel. Malee Pattaya is near Central Pattaya. It is 450 Baht per night which is very affordable and quite reasonably looking, picture attached. 420 25-31 Soi Buakhao (South Pattaya) | Nongpue, Banglamung, Pattaya 21180, Thailand. This is just an example, there are many similar options available, just use booking dot com to search.
Food is next. Spend your days eating street food such as mango or pork and sticky rice. On some days head over to sizzler for their lunch specials at 200 Baht or less and get steak and all you can eat salad bar with Pasta, soup, and fruit. There are also plenty of cheap eats in small restaurants and pubs everywhere.
Mongering the most important. Go to Soi 6 in the afternoons, have a couple of beers and choose a lady. The whole encounter should be 800-1,300 Baht. In the evenings, head over to Insomnia, beach road, or a beer bar on soi 7 or soi 8. In all locations, you can find a lady LT ranging from 1000-1,500 Baht. In summary, you will have the company of 2 ladies each day with one being together with you all night. Plan for 3,000-3,500 Baht per day for mongering.
Another interesting choice would be to pay 1 lady 15,000 Baht for 6 nights of LT. Find her on the internet before you come. Cut her loose daytimes to eliminate shopping and food expenses for the lady. Just 6 nights of action.
Now, just reverse the travel instructions and head back to the airport.
Not exackly 30,000 Baht but close I think. Sorry no photos of Sizzler and street food but there is a 10 photo minimum per post.
So in summary. As long as you can afford your round trip plane ticket, you can have a great time mongering in Pattaya for 6 nights and 7 days for under $1000 including hotel, food, ladies, a few beers, and transportation to and from the airport.It just gets even easier.
Banana Boi
09-11-16, 08:57
Why don't you set some rules up for us so everyone knows when they can consider offering a comment.No I'm not the board police but can we move all Cheap Charlie discussions and talk about how it was better in the old days to the General Reports section? Its really boring to read day in day out.
Banana Boi
09-11-16, 09:00
You guys can keep iBar, I do my hunting at Hollywood Pattaya. Last night there were about a hundred freelancers ready for action. Any table you see full of girls is pretty much free game. Keep in mind this IS NOT the place for the budget conscious.
Member #4591
09-11-16, 09:12
You guys can keep iBar, I do my hunting at Hollywood Pattaya. Last night there were about a hundred freelancers ready for action. Any table you see full of girls is pretty much free game. Keep in mind this IS NOT the place for the budget conscious.Oh that's great to know for my next trip. Thanks so much. Is there a good mix of white skinned beauties? What could one get there for 10,000 LT?
Banana Boi
09-11-16, 09:19
For 10 k I think you can get any girl in Pattaya. Most of the Hollywood girls are gogo girls who barfine themselves to go to Hollywood or work there on their days off. Bottle service will run about 2500 baht.
Member #4591
09-11-16, 09:26
For 10 k I think you can get any girl in Pattaya. Most of the Hollywood girls are gogo girls who barfine themselves to go to Hollywood or work there on their days off. Bottle service will run about 2500 baht.Could I compare the ladies to Levels in BKK?
You guys can keep iBar, I do my hunting at Hollywood Pattaya. Last night there were about a hundred freelancers ready for action. Any table you see full of girls is pretty much free game. Keep in mind this IS NOT the place for the budget conscious.Ok, you have piqued my interest. Tried to look it up on a map. But getting Google maps with Thai script.
1. Where exactly is it?
2. Trip Advisor reviews say they play mostly Thai music. Is this true? And around $400 baht cover charge?
FYI, I like the cover charge bit,...as it may produce a better girl to guy ratio. But, If the girls are in large groups, and have bar fined themselves , they are probably not gonna leave with you ? So, just get names and numbers for later ?
Oh that's great to know for my next trip. Thanks so much. Is there a good mix of white skinned beauties? What could one get there for 10,000 LT?Well, that's almost $300 a night! Any Thai girl who can command $300 a night, consistently is unlikely to be a true GFE for any guy over 28, IMO. Of course, they may " do " guys over 50, 60, or 70 even but they will just pick up the $ quickly and leave ...maybe with a fake smile.
In our business, we used to hire these girls mostly for TV and billboard ads, as Thais react positively to Thai girls who are a true 50-50 Thai. Caucasian mix. Particularly eyes and lips. These girls are best ' found' before they get ' found'. Usually, that is not in the BKK, Pattaya or Phuket area, IMO.
Hi guys,
I am in Pattaya right now and it would be great if somebody can share contacts of some hot indies urgently. I will be really thankful.
Regards.
Kamsutra69
09-11-16, 11:17
Hi guys,
I am planning to travel to Pattaya end of September. My 3rd trip so far. This trip it will be great to have a nice, clean and fun travel companion in her 20's for Thai GF vacation experience. It will much appreciate if I can get some suggestions, tips and contacts to find one.
Happy mongering!
Kamsutra69
09-11-16, 11:24
It seems MarcoStraight is not up to the challenge so here goes.
So you arrive at the airport with 30,000 Baht. Take the airport Link to Phaya Thai and change to the BTS. Take the BTS to Mo Chit station, all for about 100 Baht. Once you arrive, take a taxi to MoChit Song for 60 Baht, this is the name of the bus station nearby. There you can catch the bus to Pattaya for 120 Baht. Once in Pattaya, take a baht bus to your hotel for about 50 baht.
Now the hotel. Malee Pattaya is near Central Pattaya. It is 450 Baht per night which is very affordable and quite reasonably looking, picture attached. 420 25-31 Soi Buakhao (South Pattaya) | Nongpue, Banglamung, Pattaya 21180, Thailand. This is just an example, there are many similar options available, just use booking dot com to search.
Food is next. Spend your days eating street food such as mango or pork and sticky rice. On some days head over to sizzler for their lunch specials at 200 Baht or less and get steak and all you can eat salad bar with Pasta, soup, and fruit. There are also plenty of cheap eats in small restaurants and pubs everywhere.
Mongering the most important. Go to Soi 6 in the afternoons, have a couple of beers and choose a lady. The whole encounter should be 800-1,300 Baht. In the evenings, head over to Insomnia, beach road, or a beer bar on soi 7 or soi 8. In all locations, you can find a lady LT ranging from 1000-1,500 Baht. In summary, you will have the company of 2 ladies each day with one being together with you all night. Plan for 3,000-3,500 Baht per day for mongering.
Another interesting choice would be to pay 1 lady 15,000 Baht for 6 nights of LT. Find her on the internet before you come. Cut her loose daytimes to eliminate shopping and food expenses for the lady. Just 6 nights of action.
Now, just reverse the travel instructions and head back to the airport.
Not exackly 30,000 Baht but close I think. Sorry no photos of Sizzler and street food but there is a 10 photo minimum per post.
So in summary. As long as you can afford your round trip plane ticket, you can have a great time mongering in Pattaya for 6 nights and 7 days for under $1000 including hotel, food, ladies, a few beers, and transportation to and from the airport.Great response, mate. Any tips on how to find these LT girls for 6 nights on the internet. I tried googling it without success.
Member #4591
09-11-16, 11:26
Great response, mate. Any tips on how to find these LT girls for 6 nights on the internet. I tried googling it without success.Mate LOL. Please read my post more carefully. For example, talk with ladies on Thai Friendly and make the deal. You could also find her in Patts on your first night in a beer bar or disco.
Mr Enternational
09-11-16, 12:50
Ok, you have piqued my interest. Tried to look it up on a map. But getting Google maps with Thai script.
1. Where exactly is it?Turn right at Big C Second Rd. Go to the end of that short soi and turn right again. You will see it on the left with a big airplane on a pedastal.
Or continue down 3rd Road from Pattaya Klang. At the next traffic light turn left. At the fork in the road veer left. You will see the disco on the right.
Uncle Volodya
09-11-16, 14:57
You guys can keep iBar, I do my hunting at Hollywood Pattaya. Last night there were about a hundred freelancers ready for action. Any table you see full of girls is pretty much free game. Keep in mind this IS NOT the place for the budget conscious.Yep, my friend, that is definitely the next frontier. I saw some amazing girl when we went with our dates last month. Have you had any luck there in the last week or so since I left? I still am not 100% sure how this place works. But I want to try.
Banana Boi
09-11-16, 16:06
reviews say they play mostly Thai music. Is this true? And around $400 baht cover charge?Live band half the time but very good singers. I love one of the dancers. Yes, Thai music but that's what makes Thai girls crazy. Pretty sure Thai girls didn't grow up listening to Bon Jovi or Rod Stewart. No cover. Bottle service. Under 2500 baht.
Even if you meet a girl be ready to party hard with them. This isn't iBar. This is a real disco.
Very very few Farang. Only Thai and Japanese customers. Makes Thermae look for a sea of Farang. there's no one over 50 in here for sure. Average age of guys likely mid 20's.
Be warned that we've been quoted up to 500 baht for a taxi leaving Hollywood. There aren't any there. Last night we took a baht bus for 300 thanks to my girl talking some sense into these idiotic Pattaya scamming taxi drivers. I heard the taxi law will take effect on Jan. 1. What a relief if that happens.
Uncle V, I'm with my girlfriend so no need for me to look. I'm not finding anything better anywhere. Follow what the Japanese do. Walk up to a group of girls, rudely grab her by her arm, and drag her back to your table. I saw a girl who wanted to smack this Japanese guy in the head but then the dollars popped into her head and she thought better not to.
BDog, I'll let Uncle V compare Hollywood to Levels for talent.
I have been on the ground for about 10 days. Exploring what used to be a great place to relax and engage in some fun activities. I must say something. Pattaya is much much worse than it was just 5 years back! I can't believe people come here!
I remember back in the day, finding a 7 or even an occasional 8 to fuck or give you a massage was not a problem no matter where you were! I've been several times to Soi 6, 7, 8. the all usual hunting grounds and I must say even finding a 5 is a problem! Sixty percent of all "girls" are old ladies in their 50's or even 60's. Desperately yelling out Massahhh. ! I don't even understand who would partake with them? They are old and ugly. The rest are just younger but also ugly with busted faces. I just don't get it! Why anyone comes to Pattaya? I have numerous times on Soi 6 and even could not find one 5!
Huge crowds of Chinese. That is also new! I met some cute Chinese girls but no sex. Less Russians and the same amount of Indians. But they never bothered me. I am just reporting. What else. Prices went up too! I tried to find a massage with happy ending. o one wants to do a massage! All those so called massage places just go straight for sex. They never do the actual massage!
So if anyone knows an outlet that does body to body with HJ. Let me know!
MarcoStraight
09-11-16, 16:21
For the guys who don't want to take buses, BTS, MRT etc. Etc. , a little trick for save some money on taxi service. Once you arrive at the Airport (ground floor), go to the Departure floor upstairs. You're going to find so many taxi-meter just arrived with departing tourists. Go to the taxi drivers and bargain the price. 1000 baht going to be find.
Turn right at Big C Second Rd. Go to the end of that short soi and turn right again. You will see it on the left with a big airplane on a pedastal.
Or continue down 3rd Road from Pattaya Klang. At the next traffic light turn left. At the fork in the road veer left. You will see the disco on the right.Thanks! But, LOL. BBoi said most guys in there were in their 20's and no guys over 50. So, I'm out oF luck!
I have been on the ground for about 10 days. Exploring what used to be a great place to relax and engage in some fun activities. I must say something. Pattaya is much much worse than it was just 5 years back! I can't believe people come here!
I remember back in the day, finding a 7 or even an occasional 8 to fuck or give you a massage was not a problem no matter where you were! I've been several times to Soi 6, 7, 8. the all usual hunting grounds and I must say even finding a 5 is a problem! Sixty percent of all "girls" are old ladies in their 50's or even 60's. Desperately yelling out Massahhh. ! I don't even understand who would partake with them? They are old and ugly. The rest are just younger but also ugly with busted faces. I just don't get it! Why anyone comes to Pattaya? I have numerous times on Soi 6 and even could not find one 5!
Totally agree with you. I was just in Pattaya and it was the worst I'd ever seen it. It's was sad to see the decline of what used to be heaven.
Hi guys,
I am planning to travel to Pattaya end of September. My 3rd trip so far. This trip it will be great to have a nice, clean and fun travel companion in her 20's for Thai GF vacation experience. It will much appreciate if I can get some suggestions, tips and contacts to find one.
Happy mongering!Yesterday I returned from Pattaya, 2 weeks of happiness, I was the second time in www.thai-sexy-holiday.com sincerely recommend. Before I fly on my own but was more expensive than there. A lot of girls to choose and you can change how to whim.
Banana Boi
09-11-16, 18:21
I've been several times to Soi 6, 7, 8. the all usual hunting grounds and I must say even finding a 5 is a problem! Not sure what else is included in your usual hunting grounds from 5 years ago but best looking girls have likely shifted to the Japanese oriented gogo clubs like Baccara and Sensations. Follow a Japanese guy. He will lead you to the best girls (ie. not budget outdoor bars). I also previously posted these past 2 weeks have been very slow in Pattaya with many girls gone on holiday.
Thanks! But, LOL. BBoi said most guys in there were in their 20's and no guys over 50. So, I'm out oF luck!
cmon where is your sense of adventure? If I think about it more I don't think there's anyone over 40 but I'm not trying to scare off an entire board here.
To answer an earlier question girls have been barfining themselves out of bars lately since bars are very slow. They either go home to rest or go to places like Hollywood for a big payout.
Member #4591
09-11-16, 18:21
Thanks! But, LOL. BBoi said most guys in there were in their 20's and no guys over 50. So, I'm out oF luck!I'm 46 and I'm going to give it a go.
This is my first time in Thailand and this old lady treated me like a king.
She might not have the best face or body but her performance Was excellent.
Pattaya is great for a rookie like me.
This is my first time in Thailand and this old lady treated me like a king.
She might not have the best face or body but her performance Was excellent.
Pattaya is great for a rookie like me.Yes, she has the best body and face I've seen lately in Pattaya! Jessus. Do you guys realize you can go to about 50 countries where you can get women much much better looking for about 35 USD?
Cricket Dick
09-11-16, 19:54
I'm sorry to be more of a taker than a giver here at this point but have a lot of intel to gather before my first visit.
Is there a general rule of thumb for a ST clock limit? Would an hour or two at my hotel room be considered ST?
Would love to bag one of those promo girls you see in front of the clubs. Any positive experiences to report with them?
Cheers.
Banana Boi
09-11-16, 21:00
Glad you had a good time, Scotch. We definitely have very different taste but as long as we all have fun it's all good.
Sixty percent of all "girls" are old ladies in their 50's or even 60's. You just lost your credibility, son.
Gin And Tonic
09-12-16, 02:01
I'm sorry to be more of a taker than a giver here at this point but have a lot of intel to gather before my first visit.
Is there a general rule of thumb for a ST clock limit? Would an hour or two at my hotel room be considered ST?
Would love to bag one of those promo girls you see in front of the clubs. Any positive experiences to report with them?
Cheers.ST is generally an hour or two. The time it takes to get off once. The best looking tout girl I had was on Walking St. She was at least a 9 who was from Bangkok. Said she was too shy to dance and asked if I would buy her friend (sister) a drink. The friend was a 6 so I asked her would the 2 of them barfine together? After a huddle they agreed. Had a real nice workout with the 9 back in the room.
I'm 46 and I'm going to give it a go.Cool! Nice! Glad for you, and hope it works out. All the best.
Totally agree with you. I was just in Pattaya and it was the worst I'd ever seen it. It's was sad to see the decline of what used to be heaven.On board with you. Have been down a couple times lately. It's crowded, the traffic is awful, and the selection of gals is not at all what it used to be, and the tourist demographic leaves a lot to be desired. A decade ago Pattaya was charmingly sleazy; now it's just ugly.
cmon where is your sense of adventure? .......
To answer an earlier question girls have been barfining themselves out of bars lately since bars are very slow. They either go home to rest or go to places like Hollywood for a big payout.Haha! Well said! But, I prefer to work the probabilities as well. So, adventure yes. But not devoid of rationality and logic. Age, looks and my database of experience and analytics shows that 6's, 7's and infrequently low 8's are the sweet spot. For me!!
Obviously for you, 9's and 10's work well. I am more than happy to concede that ground to you. Be happy!
MarcoStraight
09-12-16, 03:38
I think the reason why not too many 8/10 anymore is because the average of tourists has changed in the last 15 years.
Indians, Arabs have replaced Europeans-american farangs in South Pattaya. These people love fatty girls.
Asian tourists (Koreans, HKs, Japanese, etc.) prefer going to those big sex buildings up to the north Pattaya (Big Eyes, Climax) where most of the girls are white and skinny. These places are kind of strip tease show where you can call the girl after her performance who will hand-blow job you in some private room for 5000 baht up. You can also chat with the girl and arrange an appointment for ST but I guess the cost will be quite expensive.
Another reason could be the increase of people supporting the girls from abroad. This horrible practice seems to be the norm now. I know girls receiving 30.000 to 50.000 baht monthly who actually don't care to get farangs in Discotheque like it was years ago in Marine Disco. If you go to Insomnia (especially week-end) you're going to find a lot of beauties already supported by someone who's not even there. They won't go with an over 50 like me, they will choose the young good looking farang who's going to pay them a couple of thousands or just a drink or sometime nothing.
Uncle Volodya
09-12-16, 06:59
Uncle V, I'm with my girlfriend so no need for me to look. I'm not finding anything better anywhere. Follow what the Japanese do. Walk up to a group of girls, rudely grab her by her arm, and drag her back to your table. I saw a girl who wanted to smack this Japanese guy in the head but then the dollars popped into her head and she thought better not to.
BDog, I'll let Uncle V compare Hollywood to Levels for talent.I'm happy you are still with her my friend. She is Jai Dee and one of the prettiest lasses in the realm. She is a real keeper.
Hollywood is way better talent-wise than Levels, which I would actually put behind Ibar / Insomnia. To be honest I was not overly impressed with Levels at all. I thought the girls at Mixx were hotter. But they were asking outrageous prices. And I'd also put Mixx behind Ibar.
Hollywood is the creme de la creme! I look forward to trying it out next trip.
Nevertheless, I don't think its for everyone. The setup is more of an Asian club. Lots of tables and that is where most of the action is. Not much of a dance floor. I don't think my man Haven would really like it as it wouldn't really give him the space to unleash the canned heat that he has hiding in those heels of his. 555.
Another reason could be the increase of people supporting the girls from abroad. This horrible practice seems to be the norm now. I know girls receiving 30.000 to 50.000 baht monthly who actually don't care to get farangs in Discoteque. If you go to Insomnia (especially week-end) you're going to find a lot of beauties already supported by someone who's not even there.The practice of supporting the girls from abroad has a lots of loosers but only one winner. The losers are the guys, both the stupid ones sending money from abroad, and the ones actually in Pattaya. The only winners are the ladies.
I have met so many ladies who happily receives a paycheck every month from abroad without doing nothing. Not only from one guy, but from multiple guys.
It happend to me several times when laying in my bed, after I have Fxxxed a lady, she tells me to keep quiet because she needs to call / receive a call from the (cheated, stupid) moneysending "boyfriend" abroad. After telling him she loves him, she is at home in her bed and that she feel tired and need to sleep, she turnes to me and asks me to fxxk her again.
In the morning the gets up early to go to the bank or western union to pick up the latest paycheck from any of the cheated "boyfriends".
What she tells me about them? She thinks they are stupid to send her money for nothing, "but good for me" as they use to say.
I even met several ladies who receives paychecks from guys abroad who they have never met and have no intention to ever meet. The guys have just found them on Facebook or other social media, started to talk to the lady and started to send money. Whoooaaa!
The lady thinks he is realy stupid to send money for nothing "but good for me, I get money for nothing". She will keep taking the money as long as it last.
Before the guy arrives to Thailand the lady makes sure they have a fight and finish with him. Lady gone. Money gone!
The results: A loser guy abroad, a happy lady, and the guys actually in Thailand are also losers because the ladies are not that keen to go to bed with guys since she already receives paychecks from abroad without doing nothing.
In the end, it also bites the stupid money-sending guys in the as, becuase when they actually arrives to Thailand, they will also find out that some ladies are not that keen to go to bed anymore because they get paychecks from other stupid guys abroad!
I think the reason why not too many 8/10 anymore is because the average of tourists has changed in the last 15 years.
Indians, arabs have replaced europeans-american farangs in South Pattaya. These people love fatty girls.
Asian tourists (koreans, HKs, japanese, etc.) prefer going to those big sex buildings up to the north Pattaya (Big Eyes, Climax) where most of the girls are white and skinny. These places are kind of strip tease show where you can call the girl after her performance who will hand-blow job you in some private room for 5000 baht up. You can also chat with the girl and arrange an appointment for ST but I guess the cost will be quite expensive.
Another reason could be the increase of people supporting the girls from abroad. This horrible practice seems to be the norm now. I know girls receiving 30.000 to 50.000 baht monthly who actually don't care to get farangs in Discoteque like it was years ago in Marine Disco. If you go to Insomnia (especially week-end) you're going to find a lot of beauties already supported by someone who's not even there. They won't go with an over 50 like me, they will choose the young good looking farang who's going to pay them a couple of thousands or just a drink or sometime nothing.Marco, I love your posts and agree with everything you say about the scene and about costs. It is spot on and you echo the sentiments of most of us "long-term" residents. One of the reasons for moving here almost 17 years ago now was seeing all the old dudes with the hottest gals. That was certainly the case back in '99. Be it Cowboy, Nana, Pattaya, et al, it was the over 50's who had the hotties. Boy have times changed.
Banana Boi
09-12-16, 18:08
Is there a general rule of thumb for a ST clock limit? Would an hour or two at my hotel room be considered ST?
Would love to bag one of those promo girls you see in front of the clubs. Any positive experiences to report with them?
For the sex part ST is usually 1-2+ hours. If you take them to dinner or a disco first before boom boom, then usually 3-4 hours ST with the same 1-2+ hour sex limit. If they like your company and you're in a nice place believe me that ST can turn into a VERY LT.
Trust me when you walk into one of the main clubs I have listed in the past, you won't even remember there was a coyote girl out front. Just buy your gogo girl 1-2 drinks hang out in the bar with them 20-30 minutes and decide if you want ST with her or move on.
Mumbai Guy
09-12-16, 18:37
Yesterday I returned from Pattaya, 2 weeks of happiness, I was the second time in www.thai-sexy-holiday.com sincerely recommend. Before I fly on my own but was more expensive than there. A lot of girls to choose and you can change how to whim.Do they let you change your hostess everyday? I was told that you have to book a hostess for a minimum of 3 days.
MarcoStraight
09-12-16, 20:08
The practice of supporting the girls from abroad has a lots of loosers but only one winner. The losers are the guys, both the stupid ones sending money from abroad, and the ones actually in Pattaya. The only winners are the ladies.Some people call it generosity. I call it stupidity. The money they sent don't go to the family, money goes to Thai boyfriends, cards, alcohol, ya-baa (extasy-ice), etc. Etc. Engaging a "serious" relationship with these girls is like playing a Russian roulette. Money will be the only subject in the relationship. The more you give the less respect you have back. Pattaya is not a place to fall in love.
If any young good looking fellow is reading, be careful. When a girl decides to get no money from a youngster she's playing a game. It's a strategy. Nothing to do with love.
First of all, she can do that because she has probably some hidden "sponsor" , or she's working is some places like Climax, Big Eyes or Body Massage in North Pattaya. And she does it for 2 reasons:
1) She needs to show her friends she's able to get a young looking fellow,(90% of what these girls do is about showing and earning respect from their community, like flying abroad and put the pictures on Facebook).
2) She needs the guy to fall in love, and once it does happen, she'll start to eat him alive.
Can you imagine a young guy with no monger experience who's going to met a girl staying with him for free, sometime paying for him accommodation, food, and air ticket too. She will let him feel like a kind of Casanova-gigolo'. And once the guy let her come to his country to meet mom and dad, damage is already done, it means she has finally taken control of the situation.
Banana Boi
09-12-16, 21:37
You sound like someone who has been burned before, Marco.
Sorry, I don't get your point. Do you mean that the average in Europe is lower or higher?I'm talking about your numbers, the average in Europe seems very low. Its the number at the end of the quote below, 1500 euro per month. That's 375 euro's per week, 75 euro's per day. Assuming an eight hour shift that's a little over 9 euro's per hour. That might be 'normal' for someone working a menial job at the lowest pay scale but there's no way that's the "average" salary of Europe. If I google the average yearly salary in the US I get a straight answer of just over $50 k. I did find the map on this link interesting, it shows the average monthly income and you can see in the map grid what countries are paying far less than others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage
Now, a girl working at 7/11 get 7. 000/10. 000 baht (with overtime) monthly, wich is about 260.00 Euro. A girl working in a factory like Chevrolet, get 15.000 baht (overtime) wich is 384.00 Euro. A Bank employee get 20,000 = about 500.00 Eur, as an head nurse working at Bangkok Pattaya Hospital, so let's say that the average of salary in Thailand is 15.000 baht (384,00 Eur), while the average of salary in Europe is about 1. 500 euro (about 58.000 baht) .
You sound like someone who has been burned before, Marco.Yeah, maybe has a lot of anger, some hatred and who knows what else bottled up inside.
I'm done with this dude! I can see a person like this getting arrested for something or the other. Just a matter of time.
You sound like someone who has been burned before, Marco.I think his last post is spot on and sage advice for any dude in LOS. Don't know why you guys are being so negative towards him.
Do they let you change your hostess everyday? I was told that you have to book a hostess for a minimum of 3 days.Every day the girl, can not be exchanged, but if a girl not correspond to your expectations, you need to complaint and exchange her immediately, you can read.http://www.thai-sexy-holiday.com/hostesses/.
It happend to me several times when laying in my bed, after I have Fxxxed a lady, she tells me to keep quiet because she needs to call / receive a call from the (cheated, stupid) moneysending "boyfriend" abroad. After telling him she loves him, she is at home in her bed and that she feel tired and need to sleep, she turnes to me and asks me to fxxk her again.
In the morning the gets up early to go to the bank or western union to pick up the latest paycheck from any of the cheated "boyfriends".
What she tells me about them? She thinks they are stupid to send her money for nothing, "but good for me" as they use to say.
One of my favorite bargirls, with very hot body, was working weekends only and intermittently in a gogo to finance her studies and her younger sister's studies as well in another province (not in Bangkok). I do believe she really is a degree student in Accounting. Then she has stopped gogo working for 2 or 3 months now. So I wonder where her money is coming from. She could easily be receiving regular monthly payments from one or more guys now. Some guys are willing to support girls so they won't have to work as a hooker. She is very pretty and hot but in a classy way. Used hook a customer always within a few minutes, no effort. I hate it because she doesn't show up to work the bar anymore. However she is a horny type that likes sex, so I don't see her going too long without a fuck. Her LINE App profile pic is currently a Barbie doll wearing skimpy sexy lingerie. So I Guess that LINE account ID is for her customers or guys, and maybe a different one for her family etc. Finally she returned LINE app message late last night, but with a one liner. So no clue what is going on with her. Who the fuck is financing her? Shit! Must have a boyfriend or benefactor or something. Could be a rich guy. I hate it when guys manage to get hot girls off the market. I don't care if they send money but the girl still works.
MarcoStraight
09-13-16, 08:36
I think his last post is spot on and sage advice for any dude in LOS. Don't know why you guys are being so negative towards him.Thanks my friend but I don't really mind what some people write about me. Funny that some guy here will be happy to see me in prison, soon or later (then I'm the bad guy) , when I'm actually trying to give advices to avoid jail and problems.
Being in Thailand for almost 34 years I never had problems with girls, as I wrote before, I've always treated them with dignity and respect. I can quietly say instead that the majority of foreigners who had problems with the law was due to wrong women relationship (when the things go to right way). In other cases I've seen farangs lose anything, jumping down from the View Talay building, disapper in some isanian village, shot death by their wife's Thai boyfriend (like Steve Miller, a Kiwi guy I knew who has been killed in 2006).
I really don't understand why some people here are so "oversensitive" when the issue goes to "don't fall in love with hookers".
Did I say something wrong? Do these guys fall in love? Sorry, is this a World Sex Guide, a forum where people like me pay to have sex, or a marriage dating forum?
Have I been burned out before? Not personally, but I've seen many friends or people I know who have been to. That's where my advice come from. I could not imagine hurting some gentleman in this forum with something like "do not involve yourself sentimentally with a girl working in Pattaya". What a nasty thing I said.
Last thing I do not understand. Instead of report my posts to the Admin to get me banned out from this forum, why don't you ignore me? It will cost you nothing. Go to my profile, click on "ignore list" and. Boom. No more post from the bad guy writing so many bulls.
You don't do that, you prefer to have me out of here. Nobody here wants to crash your dreams, your fairy tale, but sometime you should take it like a man, even if the truth hurts.
Steve Miller, a Kiwi guy I knew who has been killed in 2006.Steve was a delightful person. Always upbeat, friendly, and a joy to be around. That was indeed a tragedy.
MarcoStraight
09-13-16, 09:17
Steve was a delightful person. Always upbeat, friendly, and a joy to be around. That was indeed a tragedy.A great guy, typical new Zealander, always positive and friendly. She commissioned the homicide to her Thai boyfriend to get 800 thousand baht from Steve's bank account. I still remember when on Pattaya news channel they show Steve's mother in tears at Police Station asking the "handcuffed wife" : "- why did you do that? We have treated you like a daughter. -" The girl laughed on her in front of the camera. Still remember, hard to forget.
I've heard she was released in 2011.
http://www.perryclee.com/248/
A great guy, typical new zelander, always positive and friendly. She commissioned the homicide to her thai boyfriend to get 800 thousand baht from Steve's bank account. I still remember when on Pattaya news channel they show Steve's mother in tears at Police Station asking the "handcuffed wife" : "- why did you do that? We have treated you like a daughter. -" The girl laughed on her in front of the camera. Still remember, hard to forget.
I've heard she was released in 2011.
http://www.perryclee.com/248/Hard to believe it could happen for just 800 K Baht, not a massive amount of money. I have been with a Thai GF for over 11 years. She is a moderately devote Buddhist. Is not even keen to kill a mosquito. Let it have its fill first and it will go away. I am sure I am far more use to her alive, than dead. My GF does not even know how much money I have. Doesn't need to know. I am not sure she is sufficient usefulness to me. This is normal for long term relationships. Always better not to have a wife. If my GF doesn't need me any more, she can just ask me to go. It's that simple. I did not know how much money she had either, till recently found out she had accumulated 300K Baht, now been used up on home construction.
Meanwhile we hear stories about the Pattaya Flying Club, all those Farangs that went off high buildings, not of their own volition we assume.
Interesting the article suggests he trusted his GF of only 5 months duration and used her bank account. That is a definite stupidity. I know it is hard to get a Thai Bank Account right now, but I have 3 Thai accounts for a long time now.
Banana Boi
09-13-16, 10:42
I think his last post is spot on and sage advice for any dude in LOS. Don't know why you guys are being so negative towards him.I wasn't being negative to Marco. Just sounded like he is talking from personal experience.
I am actually quite flattered by his post since I must be a young good looking guy!!! My girl has pics of me all over her real Facebook and she has a 60+ year old balding Japanese (or Korean) sponsor. I guess I fall into the eaten alive category.
Seriously, not in disagreement with most of your post but to say every single girl in Pattaya (or Thailand for that matter) is like this can not be the case. One would have to think there is at least 10-20 good girls out of 30 million.
Banana Boi
09-13-16, 11:03
She commissioned the homicide to her thai boyfriend to get 800 thousand baht from Steve's bank account. Sorry if I am misunderstanding this sentence. She told her Thai boyfriend to tell Steve to hand over 800 k or die? Or she previously asked Steve for 800 k and he wouldn't give it to her so she put out a hit on Steve? In either case, Steve would have had time to go to the police or take matters in his own hands.
I wasn't being negative to Marco. Just sounded like he is talking from personal experience.
I am actually quite flattered by his post since I must be a young good looking guy!!! My girl has pics of me all over her real Facebook and she has a 60+ year old balding Japanese (or Korean) sponsor. I guess I fall into the eaten alive category.
Seriously, not in disagreement with most of your post but to say every single girl in Pattaya (or Thailand for that matter) is like this can not be the case. One would have to think there is at least 10-20 good girls out of 30 million.I would say the vast majority of dudes I have known through the years had bad experiences with bar-girls GFs. That being said the success rate with "good girls" is really not that much better. Yes, some couples have been together for many years, but I would say for the most part that is due to the man being far more flexible and being able to adapt and of course foot the bill.
Hard to believe it could happen for just 800 K Baht, not a massive amount of money. I have been with a Thai GF for over 11 years. She is a moderately devote Buddhist. Is not even keen to kill a mosquito. Let it have its fill first and it will go away. I am sure I am far more use to her alive, than dead. My GF does not even know how much money I have. Doesn't need to know. I am not sure she is sufficient usefulness to me. This is normal for long term relationships. Always better not to have a wife. If my GF doesn't need me any more, she can just ask me to go. It's that simple. I did not know how much money she had either, till recently found out she had accumulated 300K Baht, now been used up on home construction.
Meanwhile we hear stories about the Pattaya Flying Club, all those Farangs that went off high buildings, not of their own volition we assume.
Interesting the article suggests he trusted his GF of only 5 months duration and used her bank account. That is a definite stupidity. I know it is hard to get a Thai Bank Account right now, but I have 3 Thai accounts for a long time now.Excuse me sir, you've been living in Thailand for so many years and you still haven't realized that most thais will never be able to make 800 K baht during their lifetime?
Asian Rain
09-13-16, 14:03
A great guy, typical new zelander, always positive and friendly. She commissioned the homicide to her thai boyfriend to get 800 thousand baht from Steve's bank account. I still remember when on Pattaya news channel they show Steve's mother in tears at Police Station asking the "handcuffed wife" : "- why did you do that? We have treated you like a daughter. -" The girl laughed on her in front of the camera. Still remember, hard to forget.
I've heard she was released in 2011.
http://www.perryclee.com/248/This happens A LOT more than we think. Guys who let girls know anything whatsoever about their financial situation or put bikes / cars / houses / land / savings in the name of their Thai GFs are just begging for trouble or disappointment. The best marks are actually not white guys, but rather Japanese. When I was in the Philippines, I read story after story of Japanese husbands who were quietly killed without reporting their deaths so that government pension checks would keep coming. There were guys who would come back from a trip to their home country only to find that "their" property had been sold by the wife and she had absconded back to the province. And as the story shows, it is easier than most think to get away with such a crime. Another less foreigner or two does not mean anything at all in Asia. Local families trump the foreigner every time. If the family of this Steve guy knew which side of justice was up, they would simply commission an appropriate punishment for the girl they had treated like a daughter. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.
Banana Boi
09-13-16, 14:44
This happens A LOT more than we think. Guys who let girls know anything whatsoever about their financial situation or put bikes / cars / houses / land / savings in the name of their Thai GFs are just begging for trouble or disappointment. This is a Catch 22 situation. Obviously if a guy lives in Thailand and does not work a girl can easily assume he has some sort of sound financial base. Given the Visa requirements the Thai government has now outed the man that he has a minimum of 700 k baht in order to retire here. There is no way to hide that from a girl.
Personally I am not in Thailand to get a girlfriend. In fact, the last thing I want is a girlfriend or a wife in Thailand or anywhere else.
Excuse me sir, you've been living in Thailand for so many years and you still haven't realized that most thais will never be able to make 800 K baht during their lifetime?
Let's take an average working girl who works solely at iBar. Let's say she works 5-7 days per week and gets barfined roughly half the time. So we have 3 sessions at 2000-2500 each = 6k-7500 per week = 300-375k per year. 800k is attainable in 2+ years. Now if we're talking high end gogo girls like I go for where Japanese pay them 5-10k per night and they have a Sponsor, 800k is easily achieved in 1 year. No girl with that income is coming after me personally for my tiddly winks money.
..... In either case, Steve would have had time to go to the police or take matters in his own hands...
Sorry Banana Boi are you living on the moon? - go to Police, if some one want to cheat or kill you? - Police is the main Mafia in Thailand. You are a dreamer. !
Just hope that you never need Police, when you life here.
MarcoStraight
09-13-16, 15:11
I have been with a Thai GF for over 11 years. She is a moderately devote Buddhist. Is not even keen to kill a mosquito. ....My GF does not even know how much money I have. .I never said that it's impossible to have a long term relationship with a Thai girl, but you will agree with me that the percentage is very low (I don't think you are the norm).
I remember the first time I went to Pattaya back in the 1988, I met an old american guy who was in Vietnam during the 60's. He retired in Pattaya and lived with a beautiful Thai girl who was taking very good care of him. I still remember his words. " The secret for a "safe take care" by a Thai woman is simple: Never buy a house or share a bank account, never let the girl know your financial situation but give her money day by day. Since she get your money day by day she will need you alive and she will always do anything possible to let you stay healthy".
He died at 98 in peace.
Through all the years I always remembered his words, trying to act in this way.
MarcoStraight
09-13-16, 15:22
This happens A LOT more than we think. Guys who let girls know anything whatsoever about their financial situation or put bikes / cars / houses / land / savings in the name of their Thai GFs are just begging for trouble or disappointment. The best marks are actually not white guys, but rather Japanese. When I was in the Philippines, I read story after story of Japanese husbands who were quietly killed without reporting their deaths so that government pension checks would keep coming. There were guys who would come back from a trip to their home country only to find that "their" property had been sold by the wife and she had absconded back to the province. And as the story shows, it is easier than most think to get away with such a crime. Another less foreigner or two does not mean anything at all in Asia. Local families trump the foreigner every time. If the family of this Steve guy knew which side of justice was up, they would simply ommission an appropriate punishment for the girl they had treated like a daughter. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.I'm happy that a dude like Asian Rain, an old Thai-Asian veteran, wrote this report. In the end it is as I thought. The old school users got same point of view.
Since she get your money day by day she will need you alive and she will always do anything possible to let you stay healthy".
Yes but what if you want to find out if she really cares for you. Then you have to set her up with house and everything, and see if she still wants you, or at least has feeling of obligation to look after you in your old age.
If she gets her house in her name, she still has no reason to need you done away with. Joint names or a share is more dangerous I think. So I don't really fully agree with Asian Rain.
Anyway after 10 years I start to trust my GF. I don't think she will kill me. Permanence is never guaranteed.
I would say the vast majority of dudes I have known through the years had bad experiences with bar-girls GFs. That being said the success rate with "good girls" is really not that much better. Yes, some couples have been together for many years, but I would say for the most part that is due to the man being far more flexible and being able to adapt and of course foot the bill.In my country, a Farang wife can take you for a lot more money. I think guys just need to take a long time, be sensible, and do not set yourself up in a situation where others profit too much from your demise.
Best of all, no wife, no GF.
Let's take an average working girl who works solely at iBar. Let's say she works 5-7 days per week and gets barfined roughly half the time. So we have 3 sessions at 2000-2500 each = 6k-7500 per week = 300-375k per year. 800k is attainable in 2+ years. Now if we're talking high end gogo girls like I go for where Japanese pay them 5-10k per night and they have a Sponsor, 800k is easily achieved in 1 year. No girl with that income is coming after me personally for my tiddly winks money.Bananaboi, if you take as average thai income the one of an IBar lady, sorry to say but you have no clue what you're talking about.
Next time you travel to Thailand, get your ass out of the sex trade venues (because that's all you seem to know) and see how normal thai people is living. Then you'll understand that 800 K baht is a huge amount of money for them.
MarcoStraight
09-13-16, 16:33
One would have to think there is at least 10-20 good girls out of 30 million.This what any "fall in love farangs" think. My girl? She's not like the others. She's among the 20 out of 30 milions.
Gin And Tonic
09-13-16, 16:40
This is a Catch 22 situation. Obviously if a guy lives in Thailand and does not work a girl can easily assume he has some sort of sound financial base. Given the Visa requirements the Thai government has now outed the man that he has a minimum of 700 k baht in order to retire here. There is no way to hide that from a girl.
Personally I am not in Thailand to get a girlfriend. In fact, the last thing I want is a girlfriend or a wife in Thailand or anywhere else.
Let's take an average working girl who works solely at iBar. Let's say she works 5-7 days per week and gets barfined roughly half the time. So we have 3 sessions at 2000-2500 each = 6k-7500 per week = 300-375k per year. 800k is attainable in 2+ years. Now if we're talking high end gogo girls like I go for where Japanese pay them 5-10k per night and they have a Sponsor, 800k is easily achieved in 1 year. No girl with that income is coming after me personally for my tiddly winks money.I've seen very few Thai girls who save money. They have to constantly give out to sustain their day to day life style. Four or five long times last week still broke this week. Also when one has money everyone connected to them has money.
Excuse me sir, you've been living in Thailand for so many years and you still haven't realized that most thais will never be able to make 800 K baht during their lifetime?I think you exaggerate but only slightly. However I should have said not a lot for Farangs. It doesn't seem enough to be worth dying over. If I pay for a house for my GF and me for 800 K, on her land, she can just tell me to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off if she doesn't need me any more.
MarcoStraight
09-13-16, 17:14
Yes but what if you want to find out if she really cares for you. Then you have to set her up with house and everything, and see if she still wants you, or at least has feeling of obligation to look after you in your old age.
If she gets her house in her name, she still has no reason to need you done away with. Joint names or a share is more dangerous I think. So I don't really fully agree with Asian Rain.
Anyway after 10 years I start to trust my GF. I don't think she will kill me. Permanence is never guaranteed.You don't understand. The house is a kind of redemption for these girls. It's the only way for the girl to come back to the village stand tall. It's the proof she did not waste her time in Pattaya having fun with friends. She did what she did for the family, so anyone in the village will pay respect to them.
You asking me how can you find out if she really care about you. Very simple. Tell her you have a limited budget and no plan for you to buy her a house.
To be honest with you, I really don't understand why you are here. I'm glad you are happily engaged with a Thai so why wasting your time with people who want just pay for having sex and that's all? I could understand all the fire towards me if we were in a normal Thai Forum like "Mix couple experience.com" or "Thai lifestyle for foreigner.net" , but I really don't here.
Telling in a forum - mostly visited by mongers - that the best way to enjoy Pattaya is to pay girls without engaging any kind of shit-fake lovestory, is it so bad? Is it so far from reality?
So with all respect , who's the intruder here?
One of my favorite bargirls, with very hot body, was working weekends only and intermittently in a gogo to finance her studies and her younger sister's studies as well in another province (not in Bangkok). I do believe she really is a degree student in Accounting. Then she has stopped gogo working for 2 or 3 months now. So I wonder where her money is coming from. She could easily be receiving regular monthly payments from one or more guys now. Some guys are willing to support girls so they won't have to work as a hooker. She is very pretty and hot but in a classy way. Used hook a customer always within a few minutes, no effort. I hate it because she doesn't show up to work the bar anymore. However she is a horny type that likes sex, so I don't see her going too long without a fuck. Her LINE App profile pic is currently a Barbie doll wearing skimpy sexy lingerie. So I Guess that LINE account ID is for her customers or guys, and maybe a different one for her family etc. Finally she returned LINE app message late last night, but with a one liner. So no clue what is going on with her. Who the fuck is financing her? Shit! Must have a boyfriend or benefactor or something. Could be a rich guy. I hate it when guys manage to get hot girls off the market. I don't care if they send money but the girl still works.Don't worry, I think she will soon be back again. Most girls will for different reasons:
1. She can't keep up with the requirements the sponsor puts on her.
2. She want more money. No matter how much the sponsor sends, she always want even more and can easily get it through her bar / agogo / freelance work by trying to cheat the sponsor. This happens all the time, over and over and over again!
3. She gets bored by not working / seeing her co-workers - "sisters". And horny by not fxxxxxg. Solution? Back to work and have her own money, without anyone having demands or telling her what to do / not to do, and have some good party and some good fuck!
I used to meet a girl who after a while got a foreign sponsor. He demanded her not to work and not to see other guys. To be a "good lady". Good for her to get money for nothing but boring. As soon as she felt horny she made up a small fight with the sponsor, turned of the phone "in anger", called me and had some fun. After some hours she turned on the phone again just to find like 10 "I'm sorry baby, forgive me" messages from the sponsor. Did he dare to ask what she had been doing during the time her phone was turned of? No way!
MarcoStraight
09-13-16, 17:53
Noi, 1.000 baht ST in my place times ago.
MarcoStraight
09-13-16, 17:57
Same girl.
If I google the average yearly salary in the US I get a straight answer of just over $50 k.I just heard a report on CNN that the median income in the US is $56,000 per year. That mean's half the people make more than that and half the people make less.
Mr Enternational
09-13-16, 18:21
Yes but what if you want to find out if she really cares for you. Then you have to set her up with house and everything, and see if she still wants you, or at least has feeling of obligation to look after you in your old age.If you have ever given a chick money or set them up with houses or whatever else then there will be no sure fire way of knowing if she really cares for you. Where did doing this shit come from anyway? I have had plenty of Thai chicks/girlfriends that I have not had to give one silver baht to. (I pay hookers, not girlfriends.) Very easy to know whether they care about you or not in that situation. It makes more sense using your money to rent pussy than trying to buy love. Besides, if I wanted to take care of somebody then I have a long list of family members that I know could use extra money rather than forking it over to some chick that I am fucking.
And despite what Marco thinks, there are girls who are different. My neighbor has been together with her boyfriend for 6 years. He comes every 2 or 3 months. They met when she was working a retail job in Pattaya. I assume he pays everything because she sits on her ass everyday. She said he bought her a house back home. She has the place in Pattaya, a car, and a bike. He sends money for her to pay the bills back home as well. Did I fuck her? Of course. But that was an exception in her otherwise boring life. She wakes up everyday, sits around watching TV, sometimes goes to temple, goes to walk the hill at 4 pm, goes back to sit around in her room, and falls off to sleep about 10 pm. Still, I would recommend 100% not sending money to a chick. She got along before you and she will have no problem getting along after you.
As I said before, a buddy of mine (retired guy close to 70) said the way he tested his girl out was that he acted sick for a while, even to where his girl would have to wipe his ass for him. After that, he acted as if he had ran out of money. His girl went out and got a job to take care of both of them. After a while he knew that he had found a good one. They are together until this day.
Banana Boi
09-13-16, 19:18
Bananaboi, if you take as average thai income the one of an IBar lady, sorry to say but you have no clue what you're talking about.
Next time you travel to Thailand, get your ass out of the sex trade venues (because that's all you seem to know) and see how normal thai people is living. Then you'll understand that 800 K baht is a huge amount of money for them.This is an adult sex board and it was an adult sex worker who killed someone for supposedly 800 k. I know what a farm person makes. 200 baht per day if they're lucky working 18 hour days.
Beno, I know what I would do personally in my situation.
Yes but what if you want to find out if she really cares for you..
Like everywhere else in the world, stop giving her money.
Marco, who hurt you?
Some people call it generosity. I call it stupidity. The money they sent don't go to the family, money goes to thai boyfriends, cards, alcohol, ya-baa (extasy-ice), etc. Etc. Engaging a "serious" relationship with these girls is like playing a russian roulette. Money will be the only subject in the relationship. The more you give the less respect you have back. Pattaya is not a place to fall in love.
If any young good looking fellow is reading, be carefull. When a girl decides to get no money from a youngster she's playing a game. It's a strategy. Nothing to do with love.
First of all, she can do that because she has probably some hidden "sponsor" , or she's working is some places like Climax, Big Eyes or Body Massage in North Pattaya. And she does it for 2 reasons:
1) She needs to show her friends she's able to get a young looking fellow,(90% of what these girls do is about showing and earning respect from their comunity, like flying abroad and put the pictures on Facebook).
2) She needs the guy to fall in love, and once it does happen, she'll start to eat him alive.
Can you immagine a young guy with no monger experience who's going to met a girl staying with him for free, sometime paying for him accomodation, food, and air ticket too. She will let him feel like a kind of casanova-gigolo'. And once the guy let her come to his country to meet mom and dad, damage is already done, it means she has finally taken control of the situation.
Wolvenvacht
09-13-16, 19:39
Let's take an average working girl who works solely at iBar. Let's say she works 5-7 days per week and gets barfined roughly half the time. So we have 3 sessions at 2000-2500 each = 6k-7500 per week = 300-375k per year. 800k is attainable in 2+ years. And she doesn't have to eat, pay rent, buy fuel for her car or motorcycle, clothes, shoes, the new Iphone, internet and what else? Few Thais are into putting money into a savings account. It seems they are more into spending than saving for a rainiy day.
And besides, how many girls work at IBar (or similar establishments)? I think most Thai wiill work for perhaps 500 or 600 baht per day and they have to feed a family from that money. Your IBar girl is by no means representative for the Thai people.
I'm happy you are still with her my friend. She is Jai Dee and one of the prettiest lasses in the realm. She is a real keeper.
Hollywood is way better talent-wise than Levels, which I would actually put behind Ibar / Insomnia. To be honest I was not overly impressed with Levels at all. I thought the girls at Mixx were hotter. But they were asking outrageous prices. And I'd also put Mixx behind Ibar.
Hollywood is the creme de la creme! I look forward to trying it out next trip.
Nevertheless, I don't think its for everyone. The setup is more of an Asian club. Lots of tables and that is where most of the action is. Not much of a dance floor. I don't think my man Haven would really like it as it wouldn't really give him the space to unleash the canned heat that he has hiding in those heels of his. 555.Have to concur. Oddly enough I went to levels (Bangkok) last Friday and then Ibar (Pattaya) the day after (Sat of course). Levels was fun, I wasn't there looking for a woman but I certainly was scouting around. It was mostly foreigner expat / vacation-trip trust-fund kids. With a few 5's wandering in between who were working girls. I bar on the other hand. Wasn't there long just took a go go girl to there and Insomnia. HM. I can't really recall wasn't looking around much. But in the past, ibar has been filled to with hotties.
You asking me how can you find out if she really care about you. Very simple. Tell her you have a limited budget and no plan for you to buy her a house.?No I was not actually asking. I was just introducing a crazy supposition. A weird sort of logic.
Based on the saying that we "pay girls to leave", and then what happens if we pay them enough to leave, and they still don't leave. Just silly thoughts.
To be honest with you, I really don't understand why you are here. I'm glad you are happily engaged with a thai so why wasting your time with people who want just pay for having sex and that's all??I did hint that having a GF is not a good idea. Its rarely as good as anyone hoped after many years.
I just want to pay for sex with girls too. I am no different.
I could understand all the fire towards me if we were in a normal Thai Forum like "Mix couple experience.com" or "Thai lifestyle for foreigner.net" , but I really don't here.
What fire was that? I did comment you were in the wrong place once in my opinion, for what you wanted and what you wanted to pay.
Telling in a forum - mostly visited by mongers - that the best way to enjoy Pattaya is to pay girls without engaging any kind of shit-fake lovestory, is it so bad? Is it so far from reality?.That is good advice.
So with all respect , who's the intruder here?Seemed to be a topic not really specific to Pattaya. Could happen anywhere. Guys getting knocked off by Thai girls, and the risks.
Like everywhere else in the world, stop giving her money.If guy with lots of money meets a pauper girl, and refuses to ever support her in anyway, are they going to work as couple? He would obviously be a selfish bastard. If they both are equally well off, then fine she doesn't need any help. The guy can try to pretend he has no money for a while but I guess he will get found out eventually, or he will just get rejected.
Stunning young girl with big tits marries 80 year old millionaire. How come? Is it because he is so handsome? Of course not.
You meet some girl you like. She doesn't have the money to pay her rent. She can't afford to go see the doctor. She its eating Ma Ma Noodles every day. You can't give her any help, lest you will be buying her love. Is she going to love you, because you make her suffer? I don't think so.
I don't believe there are such simple answers. There are always significant problems for couples of greatly different means. This may not happen so much in USA, but still occurs.
Why do Thai girls take much older farangs? Because maybe that is the best guy they can find that will help look after them. If they have lots of choices, they will take the best one. If they have lots of options, will they choose the poorest possible option? Shit no. Is money the only criteria for selection? Not at all.
My father was the bread winner, my mother was the housewife and had the kids, and supported by her husband. This is fucking normal in the west, maybe not so much in the modern day. The guy cannot just say to the wife that she gets no money. Couples having a sharing relationship, greatly dependent on the money income of each partner. That is how couples work. If there is no sharing, is there really a couple at all?
Of course a guy sending money to a girl is not any evidence of a proper couple at all, and he maybe getting duped. Guys get into these things overly fast.
Every person for themselves. Is that how couples work? Who is going to support the kids?
Banana Boi
09-13-16, 21:32
Syzy, my point was if you continue paying someone money you will NEVER find out if she truly loves you. Same issue rich men have not knowing if a girl falls for them for their personality or money.
Banana Boi
09-13-16, 21:38
Anyways, does anyone have any actual reviews of Pattaya?
Robert Long
09-14-16, 00:53
Syzy, my point was if you continue paying someone money you will NEVER find out if she truly loves you. Same issue rich men have not knowing if a girl falls for them for their personality or money.The Asian cultures have different ideas and concepts about love and the coupling of a man and a woman. In many cases it is out of need and respect not necessarily what we consider love. Anyway what is love? Hard to define. I've searched my life looking for love and at times I thought I found it. But a few years later realized that the feelings we have are fleeting and change as we change.
I guess love is the feeling we have for our children, sisters, brothers and Mom. But if you try to find that feeling and define it, you can't. Maybe love grows as two people get close and find a special feeling in each other.
For the time being, don't look for something you can't define.
RL.
I just heard a report on CNN that the median income in the US is $56,000 per year. That mean's half the people make more than that and half the people make less.Just want to add that amount is usually stated as "household" income, which could mean two or even three incomes combined within the same household. Finding the median "personal" income for individual Americans is kind of tricky. In fact, doing a Google search for "median personal income in the USA " in order to get the most current stated amount from somewhat reliable sources turns up 11 year old data showing it to be about $24,000 in 2005, info on the "average" personal income (perhaps about $40,000-$44,000 recently) rather than the "median" income, stubborn insistence on referring to it as "household" income instead of "personal" income, misstating one term for the other, which I am guessing CNN did, and one link that states it to be about $31,000 in 2015.
If you can find a U.S. Census statement on median personal income in the USA, all jobs and demographics included, I would like to take at look at that as well.
If you can find a U.S. Census statement on median personal income in the USA, all jobs and demographics included, I would like to take at look at that as well.Yes, I took the CNN report to be referring to "household" income as well. Here's some info from the US Social Security Administration that looks at average versus median net compensation relying upon the distribution of individual workers by wage level (data available only through 2014):
https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/central.html
What we see is an individual median compensation level that is much, much lower than the household median income that CNN stated. It's from 2014, but looking at the trend data we can be confident that median net compensation for individual workers in 2016 is also going to be well below the $56,000 household median income referred to by CNN.
If you have ever given a chick money or set them up with houses or whatever else then there will be no sure fire way of knowing if she really cares for you. Where did doing this shit come from anyway? I have had plenty of Thai chicks/girlfriends that I have not had to give one silver baht to. (I pay hookers, not girlfriends.) Very easy to know whether they care about you or not in that situation. It makes more sense using your money to rent pussy than trying to buy love. Besides, if I wanted to take care of somebody then I have a long list of family members that I know could use extra money rather than forking it over to some chick that I am fucking.From now on any guy here who says he has a Thai girlfriend must tell us if she's earning money by spreading her legs. A girlfriend who fucks others for money is still a hooker, just not one that takes money from one guy. Lets not sugar coat it, if she doesn't need your money and can be barfined and she's not in your sights 24/7 then she's a hooker. You can call her a girlfriend but everyone else is calling her what she is. This isn't directed towards Mr E, just laying down the rules of what is and what isn't a girlfriend (at least in the hooker sense).
I know a counter argument might be 'ohhh, she's barfine'able but she won't go with customers'. My response, that's a load of crap. How do you really know? You have a small dick and she's always got large condoms in her purse is a clue. Or you have a large dick and she's got a bunch of Japanese condoms on hand. The Cane announces he's in town and her asshole is three times its normal size is a dead giveaway.
In the end though, if the girl moves in with you and works in the 'industry' do you provide financial support for the peace of mind that she's not spreading her legs or letting The Cane piledrive her ass into oblivion? Or do you accept that your standing your ground while she's laying down?
LifeIsABeach
09-14-16, 05:44
Just want to add that amount is usually stated as "household" income, which could mean two or even three incomes combined within the same household. Finding the median "personal" income for individual Americans is kind of tricky.I know a lot of people who have to work multiple jobs just to make ends meet. At the same time, there are people working Tech jobs who get very decent income. There are a lot of people living on poverty in USA. I have decided to retire and my income will drop from $150,000 / year to just 24,000 / year social security. I have no regrets. No way will I work till I die. I have some money saved and will get get decent money from the sale of my house. New horizons and now journeys await.
I came here to read some FRs and get an idea of what places to visit during my next Pattaya visit, but instead I am surprised to have to go through meaningless arguments that has nothing to do with this forum.
Guys, please keep your conversations private if you want to argue about income, that is not what this forum is for!
Wolvenvacht
09-14-16, 07:21
From now on any guy here who says he has a Thai girlfriend must tell us if she's earning money by spreading her legs. A girlfriend who fucks others for money is still a hooker, just not one that takes money from one guy. Lets not sugar coat it, if she doesn't need your money and can be barfined and she's not in your sights 24/7 then she's a hooker. You can call her a girlfriend but everyone else is calling her what she is.You have the strangest ideas!
Why cannot a GF also be a hooker? Unless you define a GF as someone whose sexual services are uniquely provided to one person only. I thought that concept was called "marriage".
If you have ever given a chick money or set them up with houses or whatever else then there will be no sure fire way of knowing if she really cares for you. Where did doing this shit come from anyway? I have had plenty of Thai chicks/girlfriends that I have not had to give one silver baht to. (I pay hookers, not girlfriends.) Very easy to know whether they care about you or not in that situation. It makes more sense using your money to rent pussy than trying to buy love. Besides, if I wanted to take care of somebody then I have a long list of family members that I know could use extra money rather than forking it over to some chick that I am fucking.
Yes it is very true, that you cannot buy true love, if that is what you look for. Mostly a relationship starts out with lust, and eventually becomes caring if two people have stayed together for a long time. Should take a long time before a couple can really trust each other. Giving girls money early in the relationship, before becoming a couple, is just like paying a hooker. It proves nothing.
Once your girl has so much, that she never needs you again, but still wants you, that is only way can tell she doesn't want you for your economic circumstances or money. However it is impractical to achieve. If both parties are equally well off, then its easy to achieve.
A casual girlfriend need not be assisted. Once you start living together, things change. Cannot expect the Thai girl to have enough money to pay equal shares of everything. In a long term permanent couple you have to try to help each other, and do things for the other person. Total selfishness will not work long term.
Unfortunately pauper Thai girls are looking for a financially more secure life with a Farang, rather than getting some Thai boy on drugs who doesn't work or will run off with a new floosy any time, leaving her with the kids. If a Farang doesn't like this situation, simply stay away and pay hookers, and do not pick up a Thai GF accidentally.
Many Farangs think they can support some girl to stop her needing to be a hooker. That is known to not work in most cases (90%).
Asian Rain
09-14-16, 07:46
Anyway after 10 years I start to trust my GF. I don't think she will kill me.This is usually the point that a guy wakes up gasping for air as some local guy is suffocating him with a pillow stuffed over his face. 555. Just joking. Will never happen to us. As an observation, posters are taking this discussion WAY TOO SERIOUSLY and personally. Agree with Banana Boi that some field reports would be much preferred content. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.
MarcoStraight
09-14-16, 09:54
Based on the saying that we "pay girls to leave", and then what happens if we pay them enough to leave, and they still don't leave. Just silly thoughts.If they find a decent guy like I suppose you are, why should they leave risking to find a bad one? Most of the girls are looking for the final destination, the one who's going to stay with them for good, paying her bills. The less money you give the more chance you have to find out, soon or later, that you were not the only one supporting her.
The skill these women have to manage "multiple situations" is amazing.
The skill these women have to manage "multiple situations" is amazing.Then there are guys trying to manage multiple Thai GFs, or a GF in every country / city. Don't know if they are more skilful or less skilful. Plenty of Thai girls got duped though thinking they had a real relationship with some guy and would marry. In reality guy was already married or wanted to marry a girl in home country, or just wanted another women in every port.
I find it generally easier now to tell all girls that I already have a long term GF, to largely avoid requests to help an extra one. All my contacts are generally not asking for money, only to meet (and pay of course for sex). I have buddies that got too close to East European hookers, and they have to deal with money requests coming regularly. It is not something special to Thailand. I have managed to avoid that.
Mr Enternational
09-14-16, 11:14
Unfortunately pauper Thai girls are looking for a financially more secure life with a Farang, rather than getting some Thai boy on drugs who doesn't work or will run off with a new floosy any time, leaving her with the kids. If a Farang doesn't like this situation, simply stay away and pay hookers, and do not pick up a Thai GF accidentally.Or better yet: Fortunately there are plenty of Thai women who are not paupers. If one was looking for a serious girlfriend then why not choose from that pool, as I have managed to do time and time again.
Banana Boi
09-14-16, 11:36
All this rambling should be in the General Reports section.
Little Boy
09-14-16, 17:43
Pattaya lots of fun for the mongering man.
In my opinion the only place left to monger properly in Thailand.
Fun facts and lessons learned hard way.
-Be playful and blunt. Don't let them tell you what they are going to do you are 1 customer.
-Negotiate and like Dave Chappell would say keeping it real. Whatever they say shot halfway and budge little bit.
-Lady drink what the Fudge. They do add up focus young and older Jedi they add up be firm easy to be a sucker.
-Massage girls. Hidden gold in my opinion because 700 will get you all day that's it.
-Take it easy. Americans like me always in a rush and it will drive you bonkers of how people just walk and stop.
-Get your shots. Come prepared no reason to be bat shit sick or under the weather on a holiday.
-Plan things out. Soi 6 great day time fun and walking street 10 pm.
- Plan to spend cash Thailand has gone up because I heard there selling Golden Royal Pussy.
-Watch out Watch out Watch out- Police not to be trusted at all. Was leaving a Venue one night and saw the cops shaking people down I speak multi languages and play stupid with a smile never ever yell or flex.
-Watch out Watch out Watch out- Mafia is plan in sight they are watching don't be a easy mark can't handle your booze so don't drink, plan your route, eye contact will keep you safe.
-Watch out Watch out Watch out- Kids are pick-pocketing stupid people. Cargo pant lame duck look but nice for the pockets can hide money in the best way.
-Watch out Watch out Watch out- Them Damn Warriors have fun keep safe cheers.
Banana Boi
09-14-16, 21:18
Not sure what was going on tonight but Beach Road had a ton of FL's and some of the younger decent looking variety. Busiest I've seen it since the last time the bars had to all close early. Tonight had way better talent though. Also a nice night to take a stroll due to the cooler weather this week. Maybe slow times at many of the bars have brought the girls out.
Koperen Klaas
09-14-16, 23:44
You have the strangest ideas!
Why cannot a GF also be a hooker? Unless you define a GF as someone whose sexual services are uniquely provided to one person only. I thought that concept was called "marriage".I think you have a slightly rosy view of the girls. If she is still on the take she's a hooker. She can be monogamous without being married and then she's a GF.
Regards,
Ko.
Spent the week in Pattaya at LK Empress on Beach Road and Soi 12; very nice hotel, nice view of the bay and very guest friendly. Arrived in BKK at 9:30 pm,. Met up with The Limo Pattaya (1200 baht) as we do every year at the appointed time and place. As we approached Pattaya, the limo driver pointed out the increased police presence with checkpoints set up as we entered Pattaya. We hit the familiar haunts; Walking Street, LK Metro, Soi 6, Soi 7 and 8. This being "low season", it was the slowest I've seen in my six consecutive years. The quality in the bars tended to be low as well. Since we have traveled to Pattaya during the same time in September every year, it was very surprising. Soi 6 was especially disappointing, though I may not have had the preferred buzz to be fun enough. WS was rife with tours, but it's always nice to sit and watch those walking by. We tried the new Hooters (new to us anyway); pricey, but clean and a fun place to eat and watch sports. The Pattaya Beer Garden is always a good location for a wide-ranging menu and view of the bay. While this is also the rainy season, we only had one 10 minute shower in the entire 8-day trip. Baccara again provided the best looking go-go girls to gawk at; they're also very playful upstairs in the schoolgirls outfits. Did not take anyone, but a few years ago the BF was 700 baht and I took a girl at closing time (preferred). The exchange rate was quite good; 34.40 to 34.46 to the US dollar. They accepted our US passport "card" and none of the exchanges asked us to produce the actual passport. Our preference is beer bars, which will stay open as long as you're buying. We stayed in one bar outside WS on Beach Road until sun-up. We went into our first "disco: the one with the red car on the wall, just inside WS. Security was holding up a sign for 200 baht, I assume as a cover, but when they saw we were Gringos, they waived any charge. The majority of girls inside appeared to be FLs and we immediately made contact with two Thai "sisters" and partied with them for a while. Plenty of FLs along Beach Road (aka, the Coconut bar), some were doable, though that's not my thing. Actually met up with a few contacts I met through Thai-Friendly. Getting in and out of the BKK airport was short and sweet. Enjoy!
Banana Boi
09-15-16, 18:14
Another good night on Beach Road. Not as many as last night. Sorry to offend you iBar fans but imo the the top BR girls the past 2 nights were better than the trashy junk I see in iBar.
Note if I post this it must be good since I am not a BR fan.
Soi 6 left a lot to be desired tonight. Sabai Dee terrible. Honey 2 average. Sabai Resort had a couple at 2400 but the guy working there irked me so I left.
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