Pattaya Reports

[Franga]

The problem with paying above market rates with a girl is that if you want to repeat with her she will expect the same amount. Over a decade ago, I once gave a BR girl 700 baht instead of the market rate of 500 baht thinking I would be nice to her, help her out, etc, etc. Then when I tried to take her again several days later she wouldn't budge off the 700 baht. I wanted to stick to the market rate of 500 baht. We didn't get any agreement, so I had to take off.

Taught me a big lesson. These girls don't give a shite about you. You are not their family, just some stupid punter, a walking ATM.

Now, I always pay market rates, and only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.

[Eszpresszo]

- Hooters girls, I know they are not supposed to hook up with customers but I am sure some will do it on the sly. Anyone had luck slipping one your contact info? Seems to be some really tasty choices there.I'm not sure why you feel the need to hook up with a Hooters girls at one of the nation's two Hooters locations, other than to fulfill some fantasy that you haven't accomplished at home. BTW, Thai food is some of the tastiest in the world, and you can eat it breakfast, lunch and dinner. But if you are hooked on the domestic junk, well? Point is, that Hooters should be a rather obscure place to look to pick up a girl in a town that is inundated with women vying for your attention. A waitress from Hooters would be low on most guys list. I expect you will forget about Hooters in short order once you hit the streets.

As someone mentioned, check out Soi 6. If you wear shorts, then I suggest you go commando as I did. Your new friend at the bar might slide her hand up your leg and fiddle about. Then the last thing you will have on your mind is burgers and hot wings. Also try Beach Road and haggle for ST for under 1000 baht. Its like a giant flea market of flesh. You will find some real dolls there (just watch out for the ladyboys. They are very convincing to the inexperienced).

[Banana Boi]

Paying above the going rate (or spending whatever is in your pocket) does not make you a generous man in the eyes of the ladies. It makes you a chump who does not know the local prices. They actually look down on you for it. Exactly.


The problem with paying above market rates with a girl is that if you want to repeat with her she will expect the same amount. Agree. I am always conscious what I pay the girl the first time even if she provided me with amazing service.


only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.Agree. I will always tip if I get photos.

[Blanquiceleste]

It makes you a chump who does not know the local prices. They actually look down on you for it.I never realised a hoe's opinion was that valuable to some people.

[Tiger 888]

I never realised a hoe's opinion was that valuable to some people.Don't worry, you are the king already.

[Syzygies]

The problem with paying above market rates with a girl is that if you want to repeat with her she will expect the same amount. Over a decade ago, I once gave a BR girl 700 baht instead of the market rate of 500 baht thinking I would be nice to her, help her out, etc, etc. Then when I tried to take her again several days later she wouldn't budge off the 700 baht. I wanted to stick to the market rate of 500 baht. We didn't get any agreement, so I had to take off.Absolutely correct. It confuses the girls no end, when I don't always pay the same amount, when I made adjustments based on her effort, the duration, how much hard work was needed to make me cum, etc. And when I can't even remember what I previously paid her.

Also you thought they you were already tipping them good, then another time they will ask for an extra tip on top of that. LOL.

If you buy the mamas an a drink, she will expect one every time she sees you, for no reason whatsoever.

Be careful with setting precedents. Even the freelancer on the street, knew how much I paid a previous free lancer in a similar location a week earlier. They gossip. Of course girls are not all worth exactly the same, same as costs a lot more to rent a Porsche over a Hyundai.

If ever paying a girl extra, it is a good idea to state very clearly that it is a one off bonus that won't be repeated.

[Savethe7]

I definitely plan on spending the first 4 or 5 days trying all the different areas and styles of places, Hooters gets mentioned a lot so I figure it worth seeing once but if I knew in advance that if I saw a girl I really liked there was no chance of hooking up then I'd skip it as a waste of time.

I'm going over Christmas and New Years so I know it will be super busy so in cheaper places I will probably just bar fine anyone I hit it off with just to avoid getting scooped before I make up my mind. I'm sort of hoping to find one girl I really like that doesn't get annoying to spend a few days with as well, I might take some time out to do some sight seeing, some company and a translator would be nice for that.

[Member #4591]

The problem with paying above market rates with a girl is that if you want to repeat with her she will expect the same amount. Over a decade ago, I once gave a BR girl 700 baht instead of the market rate of 500 baht thinking I would be nice to her, help her out, etc, etc. Then when I tried to take her again several days later she wouldn't budge off the 700 baht. I wanted to stick to the market rate of 500 baht. We didn't get any agreement, so I had to take off.

Taught me a big lesson. These girls don't give a shite about you. You are not their family, just some stupid punter, a walking ATM.

Now, I always pay market rates, and only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.I often wonder about guys like this who have absolutely no respect for women. I for one love this hobby and most of the time, if you show a girl respect and treat her right, she will return it ten fold to you in the bedroom. At least that's been my experience. I could turn the tables on you and say you don't give at rats ass about the girl either and she's only a piece of meat to you. So in the end, she gets her money and you get what you want. So be it.

The only thing you said that makes sense is the part about setting prescedents with the ladies. If you tip them big or be overly generous the first time. They expect the same every time. The best way to overcome this that has always worked for me is to tell the lady a reason why you are paying more. By doing this, the next time you see her and the same situation does not happen again, she won't expect the same. This meathod has never backfired on me before. I've overpaid and underpaid the same girl and never had any complaints. It all evens out in the end.

As for you calling other punters chumps for paying over the so called market rates. It is our business what we pay and not for you to complain about. When I see a girl and she quotes me her rate, I look at her, evaluate her personality and looks. Then I decide if I will pay her price or not. I never counter offer. I agree with her price or walk away. However, 80% of my encounters with bar girls and freelancers happen with no fee discussed for ST or LT. If the lady is from a go go, I will only know the bar fine amount. In the morning I pay her what I think she deserves. The same has been my experience with freelancers except with no barfine.


Here is a list of prices I paid for girls during my one month stay in Pattaya in Sept 2016. I don't do go-go or beer bar girls, just Beach Rd FL's and girls in lower budget massage joints around Soi Buakao mainly.

45 yr massage girl: 1000 baht FS+oilie at Refresh Massage start of Soi Chaiyapoon.

32 yr Beach Rd FL: 700 baht FS. Plus 200 baht ST room at Tipp Plaza.

40 yr massage girl: 1200 baht FS +oilie at Lanna Massage Soi Chaiyapoon (yes, I know I overpaid by 200 baht).

45 yr massage girl: 1000 baht FS +oil massage just off Soi Chaiyapoon.

45 yr massage girl: 500 baht HJ +200 baht Thai massage at Soi 13 massage parlor.

30 yr Beach Rd FL: 1000 baht FS. Plus 200 baht ST room. One of the prettiest on BR.

43 yr Beach Rd FL: 800 baht FS. Plus 120 baht ST room on 2nd Rd.

Surprisingly I ended up with quite a lot of 40 something year old girls And they were all pretty good lays (and of course better attitudes).

The 1000 baht Beach Rd FL's were very pretty and thin. These would not lower their price so I decided to pay up. One couldn't take a cock (and asked for money in advance-but I didn't oblige), but the other loved sex and couldn't get enough.

I took a walk one time along Soi6 and there were so many girls there. Some quite attractive. I have never taken a Soi 6 girl before but I think next trip I will pay up and look for a few gems here as it is hard to find something attractive on Beach Rd and in the low budget massage parlors.

One time I took a walk along Soi Buakao from Soi Diana to Pattaya South Rd and the massage chicks are all pretty old and / or skanky so I didn't partake.


So in the future, while you're puddling around Pattaya in your cargo shorts and flip flops with a 700-1000Baht old hage from beach road or hanging out in low budget massage parlours, the rest of us will have young beautiful stunners from the Gogos, discos, Soapies, and oilies with no problem paying. The choice is yours mate.

[Jack Of Spades]

The problem with paying above market rates with a girl is that if you want to repeat with her she will expect the same amount. Over a decade ago, I once gave a BR girl 700 baht instead of the market rate of 500 baht thinking I would be nice to her, help her out, etc, etc. Then when I tried to take her again several days later she wouldn't budge off the 700 baht. I wanted to stick to the market rate of 500 baht. We didn't get any agreement, so I had to take off.

Taught me a big lesson. These girls don't give a shite about you. You are not their family, just some stupid punter, a walking ATM.

Now, I always pay market rates, and only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.

Each to their own is what I say. If some nights I am in the mood for spending money, so be it. If some nights I feel like being more trifty, that works too. I don't worry about such things. I am too busy having fun to care what others think.

If anyone has a problem with whether I over pay or under pay for services, I just chuckle and remember it is they that have the problem. ☺.

[Blanquiceleste]

Don't worry, you are the king already.Like I was sayin'. A hoe's opinion don't matter much to me. LOL.

[Blanquiceleste]

So in the future, while you're puddling around Pattaya in your cargo shorts and flip flops with a 700-1000Baht old hage from beach road or hanging out in low budget massage parlours, the rest of us will have young beautiful stunners from the Gogos, discos, Soapies, and oilies with no problem paying. The choice is yours mate.Effective data mining, incisive analysis and insightful conclusions. Love it.

[Flak3]

Effective data mining, incisive analysis and insightful conclusions. Love it.My apologies for kicking off this hot topic debate. I think we should stop worrying about how much some people are spending or not spending and just enjoy the fruits of our spending, whatever that may be. If I may borrow some words from folks much wiser than I:

A wise person should have money in their head, but not in their heart. --Jonathan Swift.

Everyday is a bank account, and time is our currency. No one is rich, no one is poor, we've got 24 hours each. --Christopher Rice.

I love money. I love everything about it. I bought some pretty good stuff. Got me a $300 pair of socks. Got a fur sink. An electric dog polisher. A gasoline powered turtleneck sweater. And, of course, I bought some dumb stuff, too. --Steve Martin.

Wealth is not his that has it, but his that enjoys it. --Benjamin Franklin.

A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore. --Yogi Berra.

Money is a terrible master but an excellent servant. --P. T. Barnum.

Wealth is the ability to fully experience life. --Henry David Thoreau.

We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give. --Winston Churchill.

[HorneeFalang]

I took a walk along Beach Road this morning about 11:20.

Some FL's hanging out opposite Mike shopping center.

Mostly older types, spotted one decent spinner, girl.

I was impressed that options were available at the early time.

Went into central and flirted with several retail girls and managed to get line ID's.

I thought I would try my luck and just ask one if she would have dinner with me, I got a.

Positive vibe, however she said she would call me.

A sweet Surin beauty. Not sure if she is a good girl, bust spoke good English and was very responsive to my outright flirting.

Nothing else was really happening as it was too early for bars to be fully functional.

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[Eric Swiss]

Thank Heavens the madness of Songkran is over!

Here is a pretty good plan for Walking Street:

1) Start the night at Hot Tuna Bar (or another live music club) to get into party mood.

2) Go to some go-go bar to let young gyrating semi-naked flesh fill up your field of vision and your mind.

I went to Happy, but it wasn't great, maybe choose another warm-up go-go.

3) Go to another go-go bar and mentally commit to offering a lady drink.

I did it at Airline / Airport, or whatever it's called. I always liked the atmosphere in this place. I offered LD to some girl named Jen.

4) Go to Insomnia, make a round, walk down the back stairs to I-bar and pick up some freelancer.

This is where it all went wrong. I never made it to Insomnia because I barfined Jen. The best-laid plans never survive the first encounter with reality.

Anyway, Jen was very worth it. If you don't break a couple of your own rules in Pattaya, it's a sign the night was crap. I broke three rules with her, and am very happy I did!

She was from Udon, quite young (maybe 23? Quite tall (exactly 1 m67), quite skinny (maybe 50 kilos), A-cup natural tits, relatively fair skin, bob haircut that frames her face well. Only flaw is that she wore braces, and I had sworn to myself I would not pick a girl with braces. That's the second rule I broke.

Useful info about Airport: There are 3 categories of girls: stewardesses in uniform, dancer / coyotes in white, and models in floral beach bikinis. Ladydrinks are 180/180/200. Barfines are 800/1000/1500, at least after 1 pm. Place closes at 3:30 am. Girls wear big round red stickers to cover their nipples for plausible deniability from law enforcement; the stickers are shaped like a pair of lips kissing, if you can believe that! Weird but creative.

Jen asked 3000, I told her I'd give her 2500 but would tip her 500 if she was good. I also told her I would pay her after the deed was done. And I confirmed she would blow me without condom. Off we went, to Oasis. It's 470 Baht, I tipped 30 extra, so 500 total. On the way out, Oasis refunded 150 Baht of my money to Jen. She tipped 50 Baht and kept the 100. Oasis assume it's the girl who brought the customer over. Truth is, she'd never been there, and it was my decision. This is the Land of Smiles.

Jen was very sensual, very friendly, very natural. It did not feel like she was working or jaded. She even managed to take me in without lube, and without me fingering her or DATY, so she must have gotten quite wet just from sucking me. We had a great romp in the hay. I think in a couple of positions she got very aroused. At the end, I asked: "Can I come in your mouth?" She did not answer, but I knew better than to speak, as I could tell she was analyzing all the pros and cons. Surely the 500 Baht tip I had dangled in front of her in the initial negotiation weighed in. She said yes and got her protein reward.

All in all, an excellent experience. If I ever see her at Airline again, I will probably repeat. I'm not sure I can recommend, because there was chemistry between us from the first second I eye-contacted her to offer her a lady-drink. She acted flattered. But if you find she's relaxed around you, then by all means barfine her, because she gives it her all.

Did I overpay? Almost surely. Do I regret it? Not one Baht. What I really regret is that I could not get her to borrow a stewardess uniform so I could bang her while she was wearing it.

[Member #4591]

Now, I always pay market rates, and only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.




I did it at Airline / Airport, or whatever it's called. I always liked the atmosphere in this place. I offered LD to some girl named Jen.

I never made it to Insomnia because I barfined Jen. The best-laid plans never survive the first encounter with reality.

Anyway, Jen was very worth it. If you don't break a couple of your own rules in Pattaya, it's a sign the night was crap. I broke three rules with her, and am very happy I did!

She was from Udon, quite young (maybe 23? Quite tall (exactly 1 m67), quite skinny (maybe 50 kilos), A-cup natural tits, relatively fair skin, bob haircut that frames her face well. Only flaw is that she wore braces, and I had sworn to myself I would not pick a girl with braces. That's the second rule I broke.

Useful info about Airport: There are 3 categories of girls: stewardesses in uniform, dancer / coyotes in white, and models in floral beach bikinis. Ladydrinks are 180/180/200. Barfines are 800/1000/1500, at least after 1 pm. Place closes at 3:30 am. Girls wear big round red stickers to cover their nipples for plausible deniability from law enforcement; the stickers are shaped like a pair of lips kissing, if you can believe that! Weird but creative.

Jen asked 3000, I told her I'd give her 2500 but would tip her 500 if she was good. I also told her I would pay her after the deed was done. And I confirmed she would blow me without condom. Off we went, to Oasis. It's 470 Baht, I tipped 30 extra, so 500 total. On the way out, Oasis refunded 150 Baht of my money to Jen. She tipped 50 Baht and kept the 100. Oasis assume it's the girl who brought the customer over. Truth is, she'd never been there, and it was my decision. This is the Land of Smiles.

Jen was very sensual, very friendly, very natural. It did not feel like she was working or jaded. She even managed to take me in without lube, and without me fingering her or DATY, so she must have gotten quite wet just from sucking me. We had a great romp in the hay. I think in a couple of positions she got very aroused. At the end, I asked: "Can I come in your mouth?" She did not answer, but I knew better than to speak, as I could tell she was analyzing all the pros and cons. Surely the 500 Baht tip I had dangled in front of her in the initial negotiation weighed in. She said yes and got her protein reward.

All in all, an excellent experience. If I ever see her at Airline again, I will probably repeat. I'm not sure I can recommend, because there was chemistry between us from the first second I eye-contacted her to offer her a lady-drink. She acted flattered. But if you find she's relaxed around you, then by all means barfine her, because she gives it her all.

Did I overpay? Almost surely. Do I regret it? Not one Baht. What I really regret is that I could not get her to borrow a stewardess uniform so I could bang her while she was wearing it.Did this guy overpay? He overplayed only for the bar fine in my opinion. This is classic example of a great encounter. This guy didn't cry like a little bitcchhhhhh over the extra 700 Baht added to the bar fine and he was happy to pay 3,000ST for a great encounter with I'm sure a beautiful young girl. A huge success in my books. He's certainly not an insecure chump. Great report!

[Syzygies]

Now, I always pay market rates, and only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.However you know that Thai girls look down with distain on "Cheap Charlies"? The comments that Thai girls view guys not so tight with the wallet as stupid, is far from the mark. Any girl with half a brain, can understand some guys will be generous because they can afford it, and because they are not mean ass-holes viewing girls as a paid slave. Penny-pinching millionaires are definitely viewed as mean-hearted.

If a guy wants to be in party mode and generously buy drinks for several guys, the girls maybe mystified he has so much money to blow, but they do not dislike it at all. I have heard stories of rich party guys dropping more than 10000 Baht on a bar visit on several girls, yet the Thai girls do not have a bad word about him. They like his style very much.

Girls are always very happy to see a guy that can be trusted to pay well and fairly. It is eliminates the stress of worrying about the money. They can have a good time and get good money. Win-win.

Personally, I always try to pay what I think is fair for the girl, based on several factors, her overall quality (stunners get more than ugly girls), how hard she tried to please, the amount of time, etc. "One price fits all" model is not reasonable in my view. Why should a shit girl get paid the same as a fantastic girl? Makes no sense to me.

For my favorite girl, I don't even know what I pay her on a per fuck basis, exactly. I pay her monthly rent, then she spends several nights with me, when the time is right for both of us. Maybe works out at 3K to 4K per night on average.

[Crocodilexp]

The problem with paying above market rates with a girl is that if you want to repeat with her she will expect the same amount. Over a decade ago, I once gave a BR girl 700 baht instead of the market rate of 500 baht thinking I would be nice to her, help her out, etc, etc. Then when I tried to take her again several days later she wouldn't budge off the 700 baht. I wanted to stick to the market rate of 500 baht. We didn't get any agreement, so I had to take off.

Taught me a big lesson. These girls don't give a shite about you. You are not their family, just some stupid punter, a walking ATM.

Now, I always pay market rates, and only tip up to 100 baht if they give me a photo. Most overpayers are just insecure chumps IMO.

This is an important lesson indeed. I had similar experiences with overtipping. Next time, often they won't outright refuse, but are disappointed to receive only the going rate (or a smaller tip). I truly dislike that type of situation, especially if a girl has done and OK job, but I just don't feel like giving an oversized tip again.

These days, even if I actually want to tip the girl a significant amount, if I'm planning to see her again I restrain myself to avoid future disappointment. She might get a more sizable tip on a subsequent visit (clearly separated from the same amount, and sometimes I even say "this is a gift for today, but the rate is still X next time, ok?"). However, the first session sets the expectation/baseline, so it's always the going rate plus 100-200 baht.

Don't know about the experience of others, but it virtually never happened to me to get better service when I paid more than the market rate, quite the opposite. If a punter agrees to a price above the market rate, the girl often sees him as a chump and is encouraged to try her luck to see what else she can get away with.

However, don't push too far down either -- some girls, if desperate enough, would agree to go under the market rate, but grumble and feel bad about it (could be a bit of a face / self-confidence hit as well, being a 500-baht working girl instead of a 700-baht one). Don't know if they would have been a dud anyway, never repeated one of those.

[Cool]

I've been to my favorite disco 28 times in the last 11 months and there are only 3 girls I would overpay for out of the thousands of girls that walk through the door. I would only pay above market for 9-10. I would pay a maximum of 50% more to the top 5% of freelancers. Just like a sports franchise owner I am only paying a premium to surefire first ballot hall of fames with championship pedigree who puts fans in the seats and eyes glued to the TV. 1 of the 3 girls like to socialize and drink and typically doesn't give any action since she has a family. I saw my Soi 6 friend with my #1 overall choice and thought Oh my damn! Maybe I can get at her sideways by arranging a 3 some. No go! Nancy doesn't like girls. I admit I would be at a disadvantage because their personalities could change like chameleon once hired and I have no idea what the performance would be like. I could be hiring a hot starfish.

[Franga]

Thanks for your responses to my recent post. One issue I am concerned about are punters reporting that they never agree on a price beforehand. I have been burnt before by doing this, and for all transactions, mongering and non-mongering I will now always negotiate a price beforehand. This saves major dramas later.

As just one example, I took this girl in Nairobi out from Madhouse overnight and didn't talk price beforehand. I had just read about what the price for LT should be on the forum beforehand and decided that this was what I would give her. Well, next morning I had major problems with her accepting my payment. She complained, said she had a lot of financial problems, blah blah blah, and wouldn't leave the room. I stood my ground however and eventually she left after about an hour. Lesson: Why put up with this kind of sh*t when all of this could have been sorted out with a prior negotiation.

Also, I was in Madagascar a few years ago and overheard a conversation from a Madagascan guy who owned a hotel in Diego. He used to partake in the ladies quite often and he said to "Always, always, always, talk about the price (for their services) beforehand". He had obviously been burnt before. And this was a local guy not some naive tourist punter.

IMO, If you don't agree on a price beforehand, you leave yourself vulnerable to overcharging. The service has already been provided to you. So you are then at the mercy of their quote, and a potentially difficult and nasty negotiation.

It is clear that punters who do not negotiate beforehand (and do not have any dramas) are always paying market rates, or above. Why leave yourself at the mercy of being overcharged? I don't want to be taken advantage of, so I always negotiate. Prior non-negotiation may not be such a big problem in Thailand, but could be more so in other destinations where the populace is more desperate.

And with regard to my previous comments about overpaying, I am not saying that a 2000 baht gogo girl is overpaying compared to a 700 baht Beach Road girl. If 2000 baht is the market price for a gogo girl (I don't know as I never use them), then that is acceptable in my book. I am making reference to other postings such as a recent one where one member reported that he had to wait for a gogo girl of his choice to go with a Japanese guy, before he could go with her. It was reported that the Japanese guy paid 5000 baht ST (WTF). Now this is what I mean by overpaying. So, what if the Japanese guy suddenly wises up and next time wants to pay the "market" price of 2000 baht (for example) for the same girl? What will the girl say to him then: "Oh, no problem honey, I lub you long time". Well, I don't think she will be that generous.

Good luck to all you generous non-negotiators out there. TIT. Beware of the opportunists.

[Syzygies]

Don't know about the experience of others, but it virtually never happened to me to get better service when I paid more than the market rate, quite the opposite. If a punter agrees to a price above the market rate, the girl often sees him as a chump and is encouraged to try her luck to see what else she can get away with.
We pay afterwards, a lot of the time. I have had plenty of girls that improved with repeat occasions. One free lancer is a classic example. On first session, she expected me to be the normal shit of a Cheap Charlie customer, and gave me okay Service but nothing that special. I paid her well. She was surprised. I did not need to pay her that extra tip if I never intended to repeat her. Since then she has always been keen to see me and giving me a great service GFE. She enjoys the session and has been getting up to 3 pops. Nothing like how she treated me the first time, when did not yet like me, and treated me just like any other average customer. However she has the expectation that I will pay a little more than normal, since we go at least 90 minutes, where freelancers typically expect a 30 minute or so session.

So I believe if you pay very low, you don't get any special effort, or any special GFE. Like BKK Dog says, if you just want a piece of meat, or mechanical fuck, so be it.

Out on the street, it is easy to be a Prince among the Frogs, by showing a good attitude to the girls, and paying them fairly for the time and effort they put in. I don't look like Brad Pitt of course, but not too horrible looking. Good condition for my age. LOL

I recall others posting that they agree with me that to get the best from freelancers, you typically have to cultivate the relationship over time. Sure on the other hand if you choose the wrong bad attitude girl, she will try to con you and rip you off. However good girls can respond in the right way to treating them well. If we start with the assumption that all girls are bad and will try to rip us off, might as well give the whole game away. Picking the right girl is the key. Try to evaluate the so called "chemistry" or just get lucky.

I think if a guy treats a girl poorly from the start, he will automatically find all the girls do not warm to him and do not start to give better GFE service. Start with a negative attitude, and you are bound to get a lot of negative results. Only a percentage of girls are always good or always bad. With a lot of girls YMMV, so motivate them to be good, get them relaxed and in fun mode, is my aim.

Plenty of times I did not negotiate a price up front. Still do it. Not a big concern for me. Its a good indicator the girl will not be really crap, because if she is, I can pay her as little as I feel like. That is a great advantage in my mind. She can be pissed off. I don't care if never want to see her again. In practice girls that do not negotiate, are rarely crappy. Can't remember when it happened. They are confident that I will like the session, and will pay accordingly.

If she demands a higher amount than what you intended or normally pay, you really only have to pay it, if you want to keep repeating her for that higher price, in other words if she is worth it, otherwise just stick to your "fair" price if you have one. So I on occasion paid a little more, only because I really wanted to keep doing her and wanted to come to me any time she sees me, instead of rush to some other customer. I refer to popular girls here, girls that get a customer so easily, they can be choosy. The top two or three girls in a bar typically do have any struggle to get customers.

Treating a girl right and building chemistry is not just about how we pay them, of course. It is just an aspect. Sometimes an MP booking goes for a long time maybe two hours. There is time to joke around with a girl at the start of the session and try show some respect and interest in her to get her into a good frame of mine, before the fucking starts. Sometimes the girl can be wildcat horny if things go exceptionally well, or very lovey dovey has been known to happen. My last Billboard girl was so lovey dovey after a few drinks, I was really surprised, and knew a good session on the bed was coming. We did not negotiate a price up front from memory. Clearly the chemistry was going great. She since disappeared from Bill Board. With her very cute looks and attitude I think she picked a farang boyfriend sponser very quickly indeed. Mamasan suggested she got a BF too. She was a really lovely girl, without knowing her too deeply.

[Member #4591]

Don't know about the experience of others, but it virtually never happened to me to get better service when I paid more than the market rate, quite the opposite. If a punter agrees to a price above the market rate, the girl often sees him as a chump and is encouraged to try her luck to see what else she can get away with.

However, don't push too far down either -- some girls, if desperate enough, would agree to go under the market rate, but grumble and feel bad about it (could be a bit of a face / self-confidence hit as well, being a 500-baht working girl instead of a 700-baht one). Don't know if they would have been a dud anyway, never repeated one of those.You are missing the point entirely. I don't pay until after and I always manage the girls expectations. A smart and experienced punter will always do that. You obviously did not read my post.

[Member #4591]

Thanks for your responses to my recent post. One issue I am concerned about are punters reporting that they never agree on a price beforehand. I have been burnt before by doing this, and for all transactions, mongering and non-mongering I will now always negotiate a price beforehand. This saves major dramas later.

As just one example, I took this girl in Nairobi out from Madhouse overnight and didn't talk price beforehand. I had just read about what the price for LT should be on the forum beforehand and decided that this was what I would give her. Well, next morning I had major problems with her accepting my payment. She complained, said she had a lot of financial problems, blah blah blah, and wouldn't leave the room. I stood my ground however and eventually she left after about an hour. Lesson: Why put up with this kind of sh*t when all of this could have been sorted out with a prior negotiation.

Also, I was in Madagascar a few years ago and overheard a conversation from a Madagascan guy who owned a hotel in Diego. He used to partake in the ladies quite often and he said to "Always, always, always, talk about the price (for their services) beforehand". He had obviously been burnt before. And this was a local guy not some naive tourist punter.

IMO, If you don't agree on a price beforehand, you leave yourself vulnerable to overcharging. The service has already been provided to you. So you are then at the mercy of their quote, and a potentially difficult and nasty negotiation.

It is clear that punters who do not negotiate beforehand (and do not have any dramas) are always paying market rates, or above. Why leave yourself at the mercy of being overcharged? I don't want to be taken advantage of, so I always negotiate. Prior non-negotiation may not be such a big problem in Thailand, but could be more so in other destinations where the populace is more desperate.

And with regard to my previous comments about overpaying, I am not saying that a 2000 baht gogo girl is overpaying compared to a 700 baht Beach Road girl. If 2000 baht is the market price for a gogo girl (I don't know as I never use them), then that is acceptable in my book. I am making reference to other postings such as a recent one where one member reported that he had to wait for a gogo girl of his choice to go with a Japanese guy, before he could go with her. It was reported that the Japanese guy paid 5000 baht ST (WTF). Now this is what I mean by overpaying. So, what if the Japanese guy suddenly wises up and next time wants to pay the "market" price of 2000 baht (for example) for the same girl? What will the girl say to him then: "Oh, no problem honey, I lub you long time". Well, I don't think she will be that generous.

Good luck to all you generous non-negotiators out there. TIT. Beware of the opportunists.You obviously did not get my point in any way what so ever. You see this purely as a business transaction and nothing more. Where others see it as a relationship in some way. We build a good relationship with the ladies and then it is much easier to deal with paying and so on. Often this relationship is rewarded in the bedroom. Some punters have built up a stable of regular providers because of the relationship they have with them and they don't encounter many of the problems you have. If you treat the ladies as just a piece of meat, they will treat you just like a trick, John, or walking ATM.

I will give you a good example. 2 years ago I was forced into spending my birthday alone in Bangkok. My girlfriend at the time was working late. I ended up at Angel Witch in Nana Plaza. I bar fined a beautiful girl with natural D cups with a gorgeous body and face. I told her I wanted to go for a few drinks and some food before heading back to my place. I took her to a rooftop bar on Soi 11. We had 1 cocktail each and shared a piece of chocolate cake and Cream brulet. To make a long story short, she stayed with me for the whole night, banged my brains out BB and refused all but taxi money in the morning. She also stood up a regular customer at midnight for me. What did she get? She was so happy that I treated her like a lady instead of a piece of meat. She kept saying how I was a gentlemen for taking her to a Hi So place. I know this is an extreme example but my point is if you build a good relationship with the ladies, most will return the favor in the bedroom.

What did it cost me? 1,200 Baht at the restaurant, 500 Baht for taxi, bar fine 700, and one lady drink for 150 Baht. In return I got BB sex multiple times with one of the most in demand girls at Angel Witch at the time.

Finally, if I take a look at the places you go and the ladies you take, I can conclude that you are in no danger of overpaying. Secondly, you don't have to worry about any of us so called overpayers damaging the market for you. We will never go near the places you frequent and the ladies you choose. Therefore, your market is in no danger of being damaged. To each their own.

[Member #4591]

As just one example, I took this girl in Nairobi out from Madhouse overnight and didn't talk price beforehand. I had just read about what the price for LT should be on the forum beforehand and decided that this was what I would give her. Well, next morning I had major problems with her accepting my payment. She complained, said she had a lot of financial problems, blah blah blah, and wouldn't leave the room. I stood my ground however and eventually she left after about an hour. Lesson: Why put up with this kind of sh*t when all of this could have been sorted out with a prior negotiation.I would like to know what you researched as the LT standard pricing on the forum? Judging from the prices you pay as per your posts, you probably wouldn't pay the girl a fair price for LT. What do you think a fair price is for LT?

[Mr Enternational]

As just one example, I took this girl in Nairobi out from Madhouse overnight and didn't talk price beforehand. I had just read about what the price for LT should be on the forum beforehand and decided that this was what I would give her. Well, next morning I had major problems with her accepting my payment. She complained, said she had a lot of financial problems, blah blah blah, and wouldn't leave the room. I stood my ground however and eventually she left after about an hour. Lesson: Why put up with this kind of sh*t when all of this could have been sorted out with a prior negotiation.To me you are comparing apples and oranges. In Thailand the girls know when you are giving them a fair rate and will not make waves about that. In Africa the chick probably took one look at you and knew you were going to give her well above the fair rate. When that didn't happen she made waves. What did she have to lose? Of course as you said cases like this will cause undue stress on the punter.

Before going to Nigeria I read up on ISG about the rates. Posters stressed do not give more than whatever amount. When I finished with a chick I gave her that amount and I encountered the same scenario that you did. The chick stayed about an hour more shedding big crocodile tears telling me to give her more. That was falling on deaf ears so she finally threatened to go get security. I told her to go ahead. Who did she think they were going to side with. She finally left and that was the end.

She had better luck than the girl that went with my coworker though. The next day I asked him how much he had given the girl and he said nothing. When they got to the room she ordered a $20 bowl of soup that he was going to have to pay for. He said when he was finished fucking he gave her some snacks that he had in his bag and told her to get the fuck out of his room.

So I would say that it all depends on where you are as to whether you discuss the price beforehand. Of course you can never go wrong doing so. I have read many reports on ISG of guys that give chicks way more than I ever would and they say they do not talk about price because it kills the vibe for them. I guess if you already have it in your head to give 3000 to 5000 baht then there would be no need to discuss it. But if you are a 1000 to 1200 baht guy like me then you may want to reconsider; although I have never had a problem with a girl after giving this rate for LT in Pattaya and many times they are eager to come back.

[Member #4591]

To me you are comparing apples and oranges. In Thailand the girls know when you are giving them a fair rate and will not make waves about that. In Africa the chick probably took one look at you and knew you were going to give her well above the fair rate. When that didn't happen she made waves. What did she have to lose? Of course as you said cases like this will cause undue stress on the punter.

Before going to Nigeria I read up on ISG about the rates. Posters stressed do not give more than whatever amount. When I finished with a chick I gave her that amount and I encountered the same scenario that you did. The chick stayed about an hour more shedding big crocodile tears telling me to give her more. That was falling on deaf ears so she finally threatened to go get security. I told her to go ahead. Who did she think they were going to side with. She finally left and that was the end.

She had better luck than the girl that went with my coworker though. The next day I asked him how much he had given the girl and he said nothing. When they got to the room she ordered a $20 bowl of soup that he was going to have to pay for. He said when he was finished fucking he gave her some snacks that he had in his bag and told her to get the fuck out of his room.

So I would say that it all depends on where you are as to whether you discuss the price beforehand. Of course you can never go wrong doing so. I have read many reports on ISG of guys that give chicks way more than I ever would and they say they do not talk about price because it kills the vibe for them. I guess if you already have it in your head to give 3000 to 5000 baht then there would be no need to discuss it. But if you are a 1000 to 1200 baht guy like me then you may want to reconsider; although I have never had a problem with a girl after giving this rate for LT in Pattaya and many times they are eager to come back.There is one difference between you and the original op. You don't go around calling people insecure chumps for paying more than 1,000-1,200 for a lady. You simply know your budget and you have fun and respect others for theirs as well. By the way, didn't I see you in Thermae taking a lady? And also in a few go go bars in walking street? They aren't 1,000-1,200 for LT or ST in those places LOL.

[Cool Mumbai]

Hi everyone,

Requesting some tips from experts. Have done my research here plus online, still hope to receive some valuable tips.

Being Indian (38 years, physically quite fit), seems I will have to work hard to get great ladies. (good clothing, cologne, treating working women as humans, good budget-ticked) Hope you guys don't have preconceived notions me being an Indian.

Will be in Pattaya in first week of May. Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?

Planning to experience following.

Soapy. Rasputin. BJ bar. Club104 or some on Soi6. Oily. Whatever strikes on way.

Gogos. Not much inclined. Maybe visit Windmill and whatsapp.

Clubs. Insomina / Ibar. More interested in freelancers. Hope to find at this bar. Also will try walking street or beach road. Bit skeptical about beach road.

Am looking more PSE type stuff. Devils Den seems avoidable.

Not able to find which bear bars to visit.

Have premium membership on thaifriendly. In touch with some. But somehow not getting the vibe that it will work out.

Any tips / suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanking you.

[Mr Enternational]

By the way, didn't I see you in Thermae taking a lady? And also in a few go go bars in walking street? They aren't 1,000-1,200 for LT or ST in those places LOL.LOL. Nahh. Wasn't me. I have never been in Thermae. I used to hang out in Nana parking lot and whatever that club used to be at the Ambassador Hotel when I used to go to Bangkok. Since I have been living in Pattaya thr last 7 year I think I have even only been to Bangkok 2 or 3 times.

I have only ever paid a couple of bar fines ever and never at a gogo. I tell them to meet me at the disco or come over after work.

[MrManGuy]

I am interested in Thermae, are the girls young and attractive ? I read on the internet that the girls used to only service Asian customers.

[Dg8787]

I am interested in Thermae, are the girls young and attractive ? I read on the internet that the girls used to only service Asian customers.Just walk over there and walk right in. You will find many young and attractive girls waiting.

[Member #4591]

LOL. Nahh. Wasn't me. I have never been in Thermae. I used to hang out in Nana parking lot and whatever that club used to be at the Ambassador Hotel when I used to go to Bangkok. Since I have been living in Pattaya thr last 7 year I think I have even only been to Bangkok 2 or 3 times.

I have only ever paid a couple of bar fines ever and never at a gogo. I tell them to meet me at the disco or come over after work.Or maybe it was in China, Beijing? Hmmmm.

[Blanquiceleste]

Hi everyone,

Requesting some tips from experts. Have done my research here plus online, still hope to receive some valuable tips.

Being Indian (38 years, physically quite fit), seems I will have to work hard to get great ladies. (good clothing, cologne, treating working women as humans, good budget-ticked) Hope you guys don't have preconceived notions me being an Indian.

Will be in Pattaya in first week of May. Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?

Planning to experience following.

Soapy. Rasputin. BJ bar. Club104 or some on Soi6. Oily. Whatever strikes on way.

Gogos. Not much inclined. Maybe visit Windmill and whatsapp.

Clubs. Insomina / Ibar. More interested in freelancers. Hope to find at this bar. Also will try walking street or beach road. Bit skeptical about beach road.

Am looking more PSE type stuff. Devils Den seems avoidable.

Not able to find which bear bars to visit.

Have premium membership on thaifriendly. In touch with some. But somehow not getting the vibe that it will work out.

Any tips / suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanking you.You seem to have your bases covered. If you are looking for PSE then why would you avoid Devil's Den? It is one place to get a guaranteed PSE performance, even if the girls are faking it.

I had written a report a while ago that you might find helpful.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2017286#post2017286.

A couple of points. The GOGO is called What's Up.

I did not understand this question.


Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?If this means you are sharing one room with a male friend, then all of the above is irrelevant. Just don't bother wasting your time and ours. If you want a good time, try operating solo, it is your best bet. If you are reasonably fit (does not matter one bit), if you will dress well, smell nice, be generous, treat a lady like a human and will not be a cheap charlie, then you have nothing to fear.

Steer clear of TF for the moment and focus on getting the game right on ground. I am sorry to bring you the news that your premium membership is a waste of money.

[Syzygies]

Being Indian (38 years, physically quite fit), seems I will have to work hard to get great ladies. (good clothing, cologne, treating working women as humans, good budget-ticked) Hope you guys don't have preconceived notions me being an Indian.

Will be in Pattaya in first week of May. Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?
Ha ha. There is a preconceived notion that Indian guys like to share a room instead of having one for themselves, which means they can't bring a girl home for the night. Are you confirming this preconception. I don't hear of guys from other countries wanting to share a room at all, except with a hot girl. It's not in our culture. It's better to get a very cheap or value for money room than to share one. I often book a budget priced room very close to a special girl's apartment to make it very easy for her to come and stay the night with me. This can be less than 1000 Baht per night. So it means I have two rooms on some nights. My normal lodging plus an extra room for girl liasons, or a ST Hotel room for taking the girl for just 1 hour or more.

Strong Cologne is considered by many as an attempted masking agent. I don't use Cologne myself, but a strong antiperspirant deodorant, yes with that Aluminium Chlorhydrate stuff (I like one sold here called Top Country with a light scent to it), and check my armpits regularly to see if need a shower. Indian TV channels are swamped with advertising for manly Colognes, but the important bit is cleaning, and finding ways to get rid of armpit bacteria, even if only temporarily. Some deodorants contain weak anti-bacterial things like Triclosan. Consult a doctor for anyone with a severe bacteria breeding armpit problem. Must be there are antibiotics that can help, for the duration of Thailand stay at least.

Indian guys are not a big favourite for Thai girls. Some Thai girls are prejudiced against various nationalities. Other Thai girls are fine with classy Indian or similar guys. In the Thermae I suffer from Thai girls ignoring me and wanting Japanese or Korean or other East Asian customers. We all have our preconceived ideas.

In Bangkok there are certain bars very popular with Indians. I guess that will be the case in Pattaya as well.

[Cool Mumbai]

Thanks a lot buddy.


You seem to have your bases covered. If you are looking for PSE then why would you avoid Devil's Den? It is one place to get a guaranteed PSE performance, even if the girls are faking it.
Will give a try at DD. Just remembered reading online that it is over hyped, so thought to skip. But the heck, lets try once to make judgement for myself.
I had written a report a while ago that you might find helpful.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2186-Pattaya-Reports&p=2017286#post2017286.
Yes, it is quite helpful.
A couple of points. The GOGO is called What's Up.

I did not understand this question..Yes, you reconfirmed my gut feel to not to bother about TF.

Thanks for all your inputs.

[Cool Mumbai]

Ha ha. There is a preconceived notion that Indian guys like to share a room instead of having one for themselves, which means they can't bring a girl home for the night. Are you confirming this preconception.
Strong Cologne is considered by many as an attempted masking agent.
Indian guys are not a big favourite for Thai girls. Some Thai girls are prejudiced against various nationalities. Other Thai girls are fine with classy Indian or similar guys. In the Thermae I suffer from Thai girls ignoring me and wanting Japanese or Korean or other East Asian customers. We all have our preconceived ideas.
In Bangkok there are certain bars very popular with Indians. I guess that will be the case in Pattaya as well.No, we are not sharing rooms. Booked separate rooms. Was asking about roaming around in group of 2 or solo.

Of course personal hygiene is something I understand and practice in general. Not only for mongering point of view, in general.

True, so am just curious to know where is the best chances to succeed and what to avoid. Not that rejection affects me, its part of our hobby. Girls do have preferences and we have to respect that. The way we select some and ignore most, they also have the right.

Spend substantial span of my life in USA. Did my masters there and also worked few years before moving back to home. So I think I am more comfortable with people having different values, culture and tastes.

Thanks a lot for your reply.

[FL Hawk]

I am back!! Got in a few hours ago and managed to get a couple hours of rest so I am ready to go out and monger. Unfortunately, I am recovering from some allergies from back home for the last 2 weeks, and the long airplane flight clogged me up and I blew my nose too hard and it is bleeding now. Ugh. Can't go out with a bleeding nose, so I have it stuffed with some tissue and when it stops, it will be to the drug store for some loratadine, then probably off to Soi 6! Just got dark, but I want to check on a super hotty at Full Moon Bar who amazed me with her looks last November. I would not be surprised if she is no longer there as she was a 10 and would do well in a WS gogo, but it is a place to start.

[Syzygies]

I am back!! Got in a few hours ago and managed to get a couple hours of rest so I am ready to go out and monger. Unfortunately, I am recovering from some allergies from back home for the last 2 weeks, and the long airplane flight clogged me up and I blew my nose too hard and it is bleeding now. Ugh. Can't go out with a bleeding nose, so I have it stuffed with some tissue and when it stops, it will be to the drug store for some loratadine, then probably off to Soi 6! Just got dark, but I want to check on a super hotty at Full Moon Bar who amazed me with her looks last November. I would not be surprised if she is no longer there as she was a 10 and would do well in a WS gogo, but it is a place to start.Ha ha. Thailand is a great place to recover from Allergies. I have sinus problems that clear up quickly in Thailand, and also an unusual allergy that is not a problem here. I think the air humidity helps a lot with my sinuses, so I like it. Fortunately the antihistamine you mention should not interfere with your dick working properly. Some cold and flu medications can cause limp dick, like cough suppressants. Okay Your nose is blocked, cut back on the DATY, everything else should be fine. Pseudo Ephedrine used to help shrink nose blood vessels and alleviate nose bleeds as well, but I think maybe was banned a few years already, since it used to be misused a precursor to making Cocaine or Ice, or Amephetamines, I forget exactly.

Can't let a simple nose bleed hold you back from important things.

I recall news of Hospitals in Thailand NE importing large quantities from Laos in the past, much larger quantities than could ever be used for colds, and reselling it to crooks. Some medications in your suitcase require documentary permits / prescriptions. Hopefully guys do not have Codeine, Temazepam, etc.

You could still have sex even with one nostril stuffed and out of action. The worst problem from nose bleed is probably just causing bad breath, so use the mouth gargle wash, etc.

[Cool]

Indians regularly share 23 square m rooms where I stay. In a lot of cases it will be 4-5 guys sharing the room. Almost hostel conditions. As long as you smell clean and pleasant you will be fine. I wear cologne but I was also blessed with a low body chemistry so 95% of the time a shower and clean clothes to start the day is all I need. You don't need need fancy clothes The girls are more concerned with their bottom line. Just clean even though I myself would be in the top 1% of dressers. At popular discos most farangs travel light so they may rotate the same 2-3 outfits each weekend during their stay.

[Breadman]

Indians regularly share 23 square m rooms where I stay. In a lot of cases it will be 4-5 guys sharing the room. Almost hostel conditions..I think the comment about staying 2 or more to the room had to do with taking a girl back to your room. I've read that in many cases all the guys in the room want a shot with the girl without paying her anything extra.


No, we are not sharing rooms. Booked separate rooms. Was asking about roaming around in group of 2 or solo..There's nothing wrong with taking a wingman along for the hunt, just don't approach one girl together. And don't you or your buddy hover in the background either or walk back to the hotel at the same time if only one of you scores a girl. A wingman is to be left behind and then found again after the deed. I would also suggest walking into a gogo separately, one of you might have a better chance at getting in some of the clubs alone vs two walking up to the door.

[FunExplorer]

Hi everyone,

Requesting some tips from experts. Have done my research here plus online, still hope to receive some valuable tips.

Being Indian (38 years, physically quite fit), seems I will have to work hard to get great ladies. (good clothing, cologne, treating working women as humans, good budget-ticked) Hope you guys don't have preconceived notions me being an Indian.

Will be in Pattaya in first week of May. Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?

Planning to experience following.

Soapy. Rasputin. BJ bar. Club104 or some on Soi6. Oily. Whatever strikes on way.

Gogos. Not much inclined. Maybe visit Windmill and whatsapp.

Clubs. Insomina / Ibar. More interested in freelancers. Hope to find at this bar. Also will try walking street or beach road. Bit skeptical about beach road..First of all your notion that being an Indian, you will have to work hard to get great ladies is wrong and not based on facts. Girls just do not care about your dress though one is expected to be decent enough and maintain normal hygiene not smell bad. At the end of the day, all that matters is money for the girls, at least in most of the cases, as there may be some rare exceptions. I have never experienced any difficulty in getting top girls and they have treated me very well. Be courteous and nice to girls.

To answer your second question, it is entirely up to you to stay in a double room together or separately. Most of us prefer to stay separate so that we can bring girls and have our own pace.

Of course, you can go together for hunting!

There are plenty of beer bars and I am surprised you are not able to find one!

[Haven123]

Anyone had experience hiring a girl for a week or a few days?I have a few times, and most recently in Jan (with a girl I had met earlier in May who had returned back to her family's farm in Isaan).

1. Ensure you have been with such a girl (before you make such a deal) and for at least a few days. You want to be very sure you would enjoy the girls company 24*7. Also, looks do matter. Since you will be out and about with her. Do you want to be seen with an old hag or a just an average girl who dresses and carries herself in a mediocre way. For me, I was looking for true girl friend experience for 10 days.

2. FYI, Only found out she'd left Pattaya after I got there. We never discussed money and she took a overnight bus with a back pack and stayed with me for 10 days. We hit a number of bars, restaurants and discos together and did other touristy things that I wanted to do. It will cost you a lot more since you will be paying for everything. I love the brunch buffets at the Hilton and teppanyaki places and shopping / movies at Central Festival, a couple of massages etc, so I factored that in. I always bring perfumes and dresses since I was there for a month. This one (about 27-28 years old, and an 8 spinner, cute face, excellent skin, teeth, hair etc.) , got 5-6 dresses from Nordstrom Rack as well, as I liked her looking chic. Besides everything else I paid for, and the in kind gifts, I gave her 25 k cash, plus 1. 5 K for transport. Daily expenses for food and drink for her while hanging with me was about 1. 5 k- 2 K per day. It was great GFE experinece and never had a single issue. A really nice person. I don't maintain any email or social media site contacts once I leave the country. If she is still single and not working, and wants to, I will repeat in Jan when I return. I am learning the hard way that girls like her are hard to find. Your personality and the girls personality have to mesh for something like this to work. You have to settle into a nice, comfortable and agreeable cohabitation. For me, such a girl needs to act refined and have great manners and personal touch.

Therefore, I would say that this is NOT a high probability outcome since there are too many variables, if it is a week or more 24* 7.

Best to keep moving for me. And I probably like Latin girls somewhat better. Thai girls are always looking for something that could be a LT relationship , from their point of view. Can't blame them. 18-23 Latin girls, in my experience, are more interested in partying and staying single, and that works better for me. YMMV, if you like Thai girls more. Good Luck and all the best.

[Syzygies]

I wear cologne but I was also blessed with a low body chemistry so 95% of the time a shower and clean clothes to start the day is all I need. Sounds good in theory. However be aware that a large portion of guys that stink, do not know they stink. I had to tell a Farang guy that I worked with that he ponged, especially after returning from the Gym and the whole office knew about it, and he wore these synthetic shirts. He was able to largely rectify the problem after being told. He probably realised a shower after Gym was important, maybe deodorant was important, and not to put a stinky shirt back on. He simply did not know, until I had the guts to tell him. No one else was game to.

I used to know an Italian guy that claimed one shower a day was sufficient. He ponged badly enough. He did not know.

One shower per day is certainly not enough when going to see Thai girls. As I said before, very important to take a shower just before going to them (with clean shirt), and shower before and after sex. Don't kid yourself that you know better. Thai girls will not respect a guy that skips a shower. It is very anti Thai culture. In Thailand you have to be prepared to change the way you do things. Thorough mouth cleaning is also very important if you want kissing. Sure I believe I stink less than average guys but I still take the extra precautions. Trying to skip a shower is just inexcusable behaviour, even if you believe you don't need it. Just accept that it is required and go with it. I never try to skip the shower no matter how recently I already showered. It is better to conform to the standard expected.

Be aware that others may have a 10 times more sensitive nose than you have, and that some guys do not smell acrid under arm at all. They are clueless.

Perhaps avoid food very high in garlic, unless its the very mild Large garlic they use on steamed fish. The odours stay too long.

[KrisMonger]

Sounds good in theory. However be aware that a large portion of guys that stink, do not know they stink. I had to tell a Farang guy that I worked with that he ponged, especially after returning from the Gym and the whole office knew about it, and he wore these synthetic shirts. He was able to largely rectify the problem after being told. He probably realised a shower after Gym was important, maybe deodorant was important, and not to put a stinky shirt back on. He simply did not know, until I had the guts to tell him. No one else was game to.

I used to know an Italian guy that claimed one shower a day was sufficient. He ponged badly enough. He did not know..Syzzgies,

Thanks for making a point here. You don't have to be Indian to stink (again broad generalization by a lot of folks here on these forums). I live and work in US and travel worldwide and I have been in the vicinity of French and Belgian business folks that smelt like they haven't showered in ages. Asians (non-Indians) do smell- especially if they had fish for lunch or dinner and you are meeting them and they open their mouth for a conversation. At the end of the day, behave well and spend that money (and I think Indians are starting to exert their economic clout. I won't be surprised them buying beer bars and such in Pattaya or Bangkok- just like they bought Nashaa out in Pattaya) and girls don't care a hoot about anything else.

[Darpra]

Hi everyone,

Requesting some tips from experts. Have done my research here plus online, still hope to receive some valuable tips.

Being Indian (38 years, physically quite fit), seems I will have to work hard to get great ladies. (good clothing, cologne, treating working women as humans, good budget-ticked) Hope you guys don't have preconceived notions me being an Indian.

Will be in Pattaya in first week of May. Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?

Planning to experience following.

Soapy. Rasputin. BJ bar. Club104 or some on Soi6. Oily. Whatever strikes on way.

Gogos. Not much inclined. Maybe visit Windmill and whatsapp.

Clubs. Insomina / Ibar. More interested in freelancers. Hope to find at this bar. Also will try walking street or beach road. Bit skeptical about beach road..Hi,

Myself from India and went for my first trip this April. With my online research I was having a feeling that there was going to be a lot of rejection. But we were welcome in most places and had an awesome trip. I'm ugly as fuck and we didn't dress all that well (cheap looking t-shirt, shorts and flipflops). Occasionally some reject you (some freelancers, gogos, clubs etc) and also while many girls jump on top of other tourists you may have to take the initial step and approach girls. As long as you have money there are plenty of pussies out there, you just have to go with the flow.

Regarding sharing rooms, not only its convenient to get separate rooms but also its more economical. If you decide to pay the joiner fees instead and if you fuck more than once you have already paid for the second room.

When you go out you can always go in with your friends unless you have a large group. I felt the large groups were mostly getting rejected but not exactly sure what there were discussing.

[Sammyt]

Sounds like a good book for me to read as well. I had recently a nasty episode with one money-grubbing hooker I knew long time, which left bad taste in my mouth.No, you're thinking of a blowjob;-P.

[Cool]

I'm American and I think I know my hygiene better than anyone on this board. On top of that I don't work outside.


Sounds good in theory. However be aware that a large portion of guys that stink, do not know they stink. I had to tell a Farang guy that I worked with that he ponged, especially after returning from the Gym and the whole office knew about it, and he wore these synthetic shirts. He was able to largely rectify the problem after being told. He probably realised a shower after Gym was important, maybe deodorant was important, and not to put a stinky shirt back on. He simply did not know, until I had the guts to tell him. No one else was game to.

I used to know an Italian guy that claimed one shower a day was sufficient. He ponged badly enough. He did not know.

One shower per day is certainly not enough when going to see Thai girls. As I said before, very important to take a shower just before going to them (with clean shirt), and shower before and after sex. Don't kid yourself that you know better. Thai girls will not respect a guy that skips a shower. It is very anti Thai culture. In Thailand you have to be prepared to change the way you do things. Thorough mouth cleaning is also very important if you want kissing..

[Deeepster]

Flying in from Denpasar, hit BKK airport after noon.

Immigration and waiting at baggage belt 50 minutes in total.

Went down to lower ground floor to buy a bus ticket to Pattaya.

Bell bus to Arcea Lodge, arrived after 2,5 hours.

Napped 5 hours and went out for a meal and some pints at Soi Langkee.

Relocated to Windmill and was surprised how few guests in there.

Same sleaze as always, but bored out after two LITs.

Went over to Iron club 11.30, Namtan told me she start her light show at midnight.

Rejected company from some of her colleagues.

It went to a Limhal (never ending story) show but at 1.30 we took a McTaxi stopping at.

LK metro to buy some Pizza slices and Somtam.

Back at the the room the fuzzy story started, we showered together and she went down.

Headed to the bed and after 30 minutes or so she said she had to go to balcony for a zip of fresh air, in Soi Diana.

She hailed out a small water pipe and said lets go together on this.

I told her Big NoNo! If you want you can but not on my balcony, neither in my room.

She told me if so, no more bombom. Angry as a wasp she went and throw 3 x 500 baht bills on the floor.

Dressed and shouted don't you dare tell mamasan here is your BF money, never want to see you again!

Never ever enter Iron again you weak heart.

Anyone here had here or talked to her before?

She told me before she is working at Mona Lisa soi6 until 11 pm and after do her show at Iron club, emailing.

Funny thing is that she left her knicker but brought the plastic bag with SomtamCrab.

Anyone heard about a chick doing duo jobs in sin city?

Confused.

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[Banana Boi]

Anyone heard about a chick doing duo jobs in sin city?
Lots of girls work at one place during the day then switching to another at night. For example Kinnaree closes at 7 pm so after it closes the girls rush off to work at beer bars, karaoke bars, etc. Many Soi 6 girls hop over to iBar after Soi 6 closes around 1 am.

[FunExplorer]

Hi,

Myself from India and went for my first trip this April. With my online research I was having a feeling that there was going to be a lot of rejection. But we were welcome in most places and had an awesome trip. I'm ugly as fuck and we didn't dress all that well (cheap looking t-shirt, shorts and flipflops). Occasionally some reject you (some freelancers, gogos, clubs etc) and also while many girls jump on top of other tourists you may have to take the initial step and approach girls. As long as you have money there are plenty of pussies out there, you just have to go with the flow.

Regarding sharing rooms, not only its convenient to get separate rooms but also its more economical. If you decide to pay the joiner fees instead and if you fuck more than once you have already paid for the second room.

When you go out you can always go in with your friends unless you have a large group. I felt the large groups were mostly getting rejected but not exactly sure what there were discussing.Large unruly crowd of young men are not welcome in gogos. That is because they create rucus and nuisance for other clients. I have seen several groups getting rejected from not only Australia, India, Pakistan etc. Unruly behavior is not uncommon when young men are in groups and tend to over react and thus get rejected.

[FunExplorer]

Syzzgies,

Thanks for making a point here. You don't have to be Indian to stink (again broad generalization by a lot of folks here on these forums). I live and work in US and travel worldwide and I have been in the vicinity of French and Belgian business folks that smelt like they haven't showered in ages. Asians (non-Indians) do smell- especially if they had fish for lunch or dinner and you are meeting them and they open their mouth for a conversation. At the end of the day, behave well and spend that money (and I think Indians are starting to exert their economic clout. I won't be surprised them buying beer bars and such in Pattaya or Bangkok- just like they bought Nashaa out in Pattaya) and girls don't care a hoot about anything else.I agree with you. Generalization would be incorrect. I have experienced men stinking irrespective of the nationalities. Also I endorse your point that girls don't care a hoot as long its money, honey, though basic hygiene is essential for every one not only here in Pattaya, else where also.

[Broxy]

I have read in reports previously about a place on Soi Buakhao near to central Pattaya road about a shop well known for selling good quality watches (Phillipe Patak comes to mind) can anyone tell me what it is called or name of owner? If I remem er correctly there are 2 similar shops next to each other near end of Soi Buakhao so which one is it? Is it Mr Jacks or something similar? Thanks for any help on this matter.

[Franga]

I agree with you. Generalization would be incorrect. I have experienced men stinking irrespective of the nationalities. Also I endorse your point that girls don't care a hoot as long its money, honey, though basic hygiene is essential for every one not only here in Pattaya, else where also.I once befriended an Indian guy who needed help getting from Ekamai to Patts by bus, then the songthaew to beach Road, and finally a hotel room. We ended up taking a room each at the Sawasdee on Soi Diana and barfining a chick each from a beer bar near Soi 8 on Beach Road. Back in the rooms with the girls, the Indian guy decided to call me on the hotel phones. He was very excited about his encounter. Then the two Thai chicks had a chat in thai to each other. After they had finished, my girl said to me that her friend said that the Indian guy was okay, but that he smelled a bit. Then she said in a very stern voice to me that I was not to tell him that they had said that about him.

So there you go guys, the Thais are too polite to tell you if you are on the nose.

[ZimmerBaby]

I thought Indian hand gestures and the head movements combined with money were the greatest aphrodisiac of them all?

[Cool]

Seems she didn't want to burn down her bridge with a money generator. Plus he was a virtual stranger. I think most Indians that RTFF and are on the ground have an idea what others think of them and where they fit in the Thai equation. No point in a farang becoming delusional.


I once befriended an Indian guy who needed help getting from Ekamai to Patts by bus, then the songthaew to beach Road, and finally a hotel room. We ended up taking a room each at the Sawasdee on Soi Diana and barfining a chick each from a beer bar near Soi 8 on Beach Road. Back in the rooms with the girls, the Indian guy decided to call me on the hotel phones. He was very excited about his encounter. Then the two Thai chicks had a chat in thai to each other. After they had finished, my girl said to me that her friend said that the Indian guy was okay, but that he smelled a bit. Then she said in a very stern voice to me that I was not to tell him that they had said that about him.

So there you go guys, the Thais are too polite to tell you if you are on the nose.

[Blanquiceleste]

Many Soi 6 girls hop over to iBar after Soi 6 closes around 1 am.Hopping over to iBar is not technically two jobs. A lot of GOGO girls head to iBar after 3 am too.

[Kerb Krawler]

I have read in reports previously about a place on Soi Buakhao near to central Pattaya road about a shop well known for selling good quality watches (Phillipe Patak comes to mind) can anyone tell me what it is called or name of owner? If I remem er correctly there are 2 similar shops next to each other near end of Soi Buakhao so which one is it? Is it Mr Jacks or something similar? Thanks for any help on this matter.At the end of Soi Buakhao, two watch shops are placed next to each other. As you stand facing them, Mr. Jacks is on the right.

The name is on the window, they open at about 10 am each morning. The man sat at the window is known as Mr. Jack.

In side there is an IPAD on the counter with various brand brochures installed for you to browse. Ask one of the ladies for the watch you want, if they have it in stock they will show you, if not and its available they will get it for you, takes 2-3 days. Taking a photo of the watch you want can help things along. All watches are checked there and then in front of you, and marked on the inside of the dust lid, a sort of 12 month guarantee for the watch.

[XXL]

As I said before, very important to take a shower just before going to them (with clean shirt), and shower before and after sex. Don't kid yourself that you know better. Thai girls will not respect a guy that skips a shower. I wonder how hard it is to get a Thai girl NOT to shower before sex. Probably an uphill struggle. In Indonesia I used to spin girls the yarn that I'd had a girl-friend of mine electrocute herself while showering before sex and that I was extremely superstitious about a girl showering before sex. It didn't work. The girl would pretend to have to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) and would contrive to wash.

Not such problem in Africa (nor in the Middle-Ages when men didn't have Viagra to stand in for pheromones).

[Broxy]

Thank you Kerb Crawler your help is much appreciated I will be in patts for 3 weeks from 19 may if you are there love to share a few drinks with you if you left already thank you again. If I can help in any way I will.

Thank you.

[Lefeu]

I arrived in Pattaya this last Sunday, on one of my yearly visits. I have been coming here yearly since 2003. In the past few days, I enjoyed the FLs on beach road, quite a bit of talent everywhere for 1K bahts. I picked 3 FLs so far and I was very pleased with them, even repeated with one. I also did my usual body massage at Honey massage on soy Honey. I lucked out as I picked a nice lady.

On to soy 6, all these years, once in a while I would walk up and down the soi, but never partaked. I was never impressed with the quality. Some folks have been advocating it recently for day time action. A few days ago, it was hot late afternoon, hence not too many FLs on beach road, so I decided to try my luck at soy 6. I managed to find a nice girl, who wanted me to buy her a drink, then asked 1200 bahts for ST. After I balked, she lowered her fee to 1 k. She was nice and gave me a decent session. However, I did not like the room upstairs, reminded me of those rooms in Tijuana used by the SWs. I much prefer having a session in my hotel room. The room is already paid up and is much nicer. For now, I will stick to FLs, and may revisit soy 6 another time.

I also checked a few gogos and was disappointed. I went into Phenomeral?, enjoyed the scripted dance, and one of the dancers showed interest but I was done for the night. The place was fairly small but nicely done. I may revisit later. Then, I went to Baccara, a big disappointment. Granted, it was after 10 pm, hence the eye candy may have been checked out, but the remaining girls seemed bored out of their mind. Yet, there was quite a crowd, mostly Koreans and Chinese.

[Banana Boi]

I much prefer having a session in my hotel room. The room is already paid up and is much nicer. For now, I will stick to FLs, and may revisit soy 6 another time.Agree some of the showers and rooms in the Soi 6 bars are less than desirable. Which place did you go to? You can take the Soi 6 girls home for more or less the same price, assuming your hotel is fairly near.

Can't believe the girl tried asking for 1200. A sign of things to come on Soi 6?

Glad you're having fun and thanks for the report.

[WildHawk]

Can they be barfined? Actual knowledge (rather than the "everyone's got their price") would be appreciated. Returning to Pattaya in two weeks and hope that a particularly lissome, exotic beauty is still on the roster. Saw many agogo girls on that trip, but that one was memorable, and I regret having moved on, and in a somewhat inebriated state, hiring another lass. Thanks.

[Uncle Volodya]

Flying in from Denpasar, hit BKK airport after noon.

Immigration and waiting at baggage belt 50 minutes in total.

Went down to lower ground floor to buy a bus ticket to Pattaya.

Bell bus to Arcea Lodge, arrived after 2,5 hours.

Napped 5 hours and went out for a meal and some pints at Soi Langkee.

Relocated to Windmill and was surprised how few guests in there.

Same sleaze as always, but bored out after two LITs.

Went over to Iron club 11.30, Namtan told me she start her light show at midnight.

Rejected company from some of her colleagues.

It went to a Limhal (never ending story) show but at 1.30 we took a McTaxi stopping at.

LK metro to buy some Pizza slices and Somtam.

Back at the the room the fuzzy story started, we showered together and she went down.

Headed to the bed and after 30 minutes or so she said she had to go to balcony for a zip of fresh air, in Soi Diana.

She hailed out a small water pipe and said lets go together on this.

I told her Big NoNo! If you want you can but not on my balcony, neither in my room.

She told me if so, no more bombom. Angry as a wasp she went and throw 3 x 500 baht bills on the floor.

Dressed and shouted don't you dare tell mamasan here is your BF money, never want to see you again!

Never ever enter Iron again you weak heart.

Anyone here had here or talked to her before?

She told me before she is working at Mona Lisa soi6 until 11 pm and after do her show at Iron club, emailing.

Funny thing is that she left her knicker but brought the plastic bag with SomtamCrab.

Anyone heard about a chick doing duo jobs in sin city?

Confused.

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Just teasing.

There are some crazy girls out there but I never had a problem with a girl on drugs. Even though I am sure it is common.

Stay horny my discombobulated friend.

Uncle-V.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I am in Pattaya for a few days after Sonkran arrive on Sunday form BKK by bus staying at April suite nice new hotel with large room and bed, check out Soi 6 most of bar are closed now only a few girl didn't see anyone that is doable when to Victoria inn for the Sunday cravery buffet 375 bht roast beef is tough very poor quality food, Soi 6 is going down hill every yr last time I got a girl here is back in 2015 and not much FL in beach Road also and quality is poor, I pick up a hottie at Ibar a tall Thai girl want 3000 bht LT settle for 2500 bht a good GFE 3 shots and stay until 11 am after breakfast.

Will check out Lucifer tonight.

Fast Eddie 48.

[FunExplorer]

I thought Indian hand gestures and the head movements combined with money were the greatest aphrodisiac of them all?Surely and much more, with India being the fastest growing economy in the world.

[HorneeFalang]

Hi everyone,

Requesting some tips from experts. Have done my research here plus online, still hope to receive some valuable tips.

Being Indian (38 years, physically quite fit), seems I will have to work hard to get great ladies. (good clothing, cologne, treating working women as humans, good budget-ticked) Hope you guys don't have preconceived notions me being an Indian.

Will be in Pattaya in first week of May. Staying at Siam. Me plus one friend. Do we need to split or 2 is OK?

Planning to experience following.

Soapy. Rasputin. BJ bar. Club104 or some on Soi6. Oily. Whatever strikes on way.

Gogos. Not much inclined. Maybe visit Windmill and whatsapp..I was in Windmill on Tuesday night and spotted some Indian Mongers living it up. It appeared to me they were being very good and liked by purchasing Ladie drinks etc.

They were dressed very well and were having a lot of fun with the girls. As far as PSE goes I also spoke to an Indian enthusiast during a stroll through LK and he spoke quite highly about the service he got in Devils Den, he also commented that some Go Go's were unfriendly to him and he claimed it was because he was Indian. He did not elaborate on the establishments. From what I saw I noticed quite a few Mongers from India doing the rounds and they all appeared to be smiling 555,but who doesn't have a smile on their faces whilst getting involved in Sin City 555.

I hope this helps. Come with your cash and you can have whatever you want. It doesn't matter what colour you are. Just don't give the impression you are the kind of fellow that will take a girl back to your loom and share her with seven of your buddies. You may be able to get a girl to agree to you and your friend to double up on her, again be prepared to Bring Baht.

Come and enjoy and keep smiling.

It really is a magical place.

[Treading Water]

I just finished four blissful days in Pattaya. I liked it a lot and will be back in a few days. Right now I'm in Phuket mostly for the diving but will also check out what it has to offer. More on that later.

I stayed at the LK Empress. I liked the place but I might be too easy.

Positives. Right on Beach Rd, balcony overlooking the street, I could literally pick up freelancers without leaving my room. The room was very nice with a very ornate ceiling that I'm sure the girls enjoyed looked at while I pumped them. The place has an awesome breakfast buffet that I got with the room.

Negatives. The shower really never got warm. The A/C never shut off. I had to keep the balcony door open to keep from freezing. They charge for girls and don't allow under 20 (I actually have no idea what the legal age is in Thailand, probably should look that up). My room wasn't entered off the lobby so I was never charged.

Over the four days I had four girls up to the room, all Beach Rd FLs. The first three were for 800 B, the last was 1000 B. The last one was by far the worst so there's no correlation for what you pay. They were all supposed to be ST, but the 1st night the girl was just tired and crashed out in my bed.

I wandered around town and checked out the go go bars on walking street. Not really my thing. Went to Soi 6, not sure I'd like that either but I might give it another try next week. I think the Beach Rd freelancers may be more my style. I just don't like to put a lot of time into the process. I'd rather get them in, get on them, and get them out.

Next week I'm at the Baraquda. That should be a very different scene from Beach Rd.

[HorneeFalang]

Whilst walking around Pratumnak I stumbled across a sign directing to "Heaven Gentlemen's Club". I walked past and noticed it was open (approx 2 PM) I did not go in as I was with someone. Has anyone spent some time there? Looks like a good option for an early start. Further research shows it's like a pool party type situation??

[ParkVille]

Can they be barfined? Actual knowledge (rather than the "everyone's got their price") would be appreciated. Returning to Pattaya in two weeks and hope that a particularly lissome, exotic beauty is still on the roster. Saw many agogo girls on that trip, but that one was memorable, and I regret having moved on, and in a somewhat inebriated state, hiring another lass. Thanks.Yes. One told me it would be 3 k ST and 5 LT. Or maybe she didn't mention LT, can' recall, but it's the same rate as the other girls I think.

[ParkVille]

Anyone know the going "long long time" rate for an ibar stunner, or a girl who is just shy of being a stunner (like an 8. 5 or 9)? Said girl I want to take for a week is very popular with both the mongers and the locals. I saw her (and her other near-stunner friend) get hit on by every guy on walking street when I left them outside and to go buy something in 7/11, before heading to room. I normally pay her 1. 5 k-2 k for LT (sleep over, 1 pop in before sleeping and 1 in the morning then she's off). And I pay her 1 k for ST on soi 6 (where I actually found her first). She no longer works on soi 6, maybe has a sponsor or enough social media contacts for steady stream of customers.

I offered 4 k baht for all day, for a 2 day trial period, with a 4 hour break to go home and do whatever each day. Deal didn't go through. I'm guess 4 k baht for next-day+night LT (20 hours) ibar stunner is too low? I'm not experienced with the ibar scene so just want to figure what a good price is.

[Mr Enternational]

Whilst walking around Pratumnak I stumbled across a sign directing to "Heaven Gentlemen's Club". I walked past and noticed it was open (approx 2 PM) I did not go in as I was with someone. Has anyone spent some time there? Looks like a good option for an early start. Further research shows it's like a pool party type situation??Funny that you are on a monger board and knew about walking the hill for exercise, but did not know about Heaven. It is the same as any other place. Go inside and choose a girl and go to a room. I have seen the pool there, but have never seen anyone outside at it.

[Banana Boi]

I'm sure you've done your research but nearby Kinnaree is likely a better bet on Pratumnak Hill.

[Syzygies]

I offered 4 k baht for all day, for a 2 day trial period, with a 4 hour break to go home and do whatever each day. Deal didn't go through. I'm guess 4 k baht for next-day+night LT (20 hours) ibar stunner is too low? I'm not experienced with the ibar scene so just want to figure what a good price is.I am surprised that you care what other guys think is a good price. It's bound to be lowball price. The girl knows best how much she wants, if she wants to do it at all.

As you say, the price for the average non-stunner is likely to be lower. How many STs does your girl typically get done in a night? Think about how much money she makes, then think about the inconvenience of having only 4 hours of the day to herself. She is going to charge for that inconvenience.

It matters little what others think, its how much she is worth to you. 4 K isn't getting it done. Is having all of a girls time worth more to you? Probably it isn't to me. I don't do these all day deals any more. I certainly used to many years ago, but if a girl stays with you too much, there is the danger of gradually turning into a girlfriend. It is handy to take girls with you on a holiday if it is a non monger destination.

Is your real purpose, purely to ensure that some other guy has not taken her and she stays available to you? A good reason, but you have to pay to keep the other dogs off. I know it is real annoying when you want a particular girl and too many other guys also want her. LOL.

What if she has some other high priority guy already and wants to keep her freedom? Might cost a lot to overcome that. What if she has a Thai boy? What if her period is due? Lot of possible problems to consider. I recall in the past needing to know girls' period times before taking them on holiday.

Try for a single whole day first, and see if that goes well and price is O.K. Then see if you both want to extend to another.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Anyone know the going "long long time" rate for an ibar stunner, or a girl who is just shy of being a stunner (like an 8. 5 or 9)? Said girl I want to take for a week is very popular with both the mongers and the locals. I saw her (and her other near-stunner friend) get hit on by every guy on walking street when I left them outside and to go buy something in 7/11, before heading to room. I normally pay her 1. 5 k-2 k for LT (sleep over, 1 pop in before sleeping and 1 in the morning then she's off). And I pay her 1 k for ST on soi 6 (where I actually found her first). She no longer works on soi 6, maybe has a sponsor or enough social media contacts for steady stream of customers.

I offered 4 k baht for all day, for a 2 day trial period, with a 4 hour break to go home and do whatever each day. Deal didn't go through. I'm guess 4 k baht for next-day+night LT (20 hours) ibar stunner is too low? I'm not experienced with the ibar scene so just want to figure what a good price is.To Parkviller.

I was at Ibar 2 night ago pick up a tall hottie for 2500 bht all night she want 3000 bht first very GFE, I know some stunner want up to 5000 bht but I won't paid that but some high roller will and they know she can get it so they will not settle for less, soi 6 most bar is closed down so most of the girl have move on to better things so now only the ugly one are left.

Fast Eddie 48.

[Haven123]

Anyone know the going "long long time" rate for an ibar stunner, or a girl who is just shy of being a stunner (like an 8. 5 or 9)? Said girl I want to take for a week is very popular with both the mongers and the locals. I saw her (and her other near-stunner friend) get hit on by every guy on walking street when I left them outside and to go buy something in 7/11, before heading to room. I normally pay her 1. 5 k-2 k for LT (sleep over, 1 pop in before sleeping and 1 in the morning then she's off). And I pay her 1 k for ST on soi 6 (where I actually found her first). She no longer works on soi 6, maybe has a sponsor or enough social media contacts for steady stream of customers.

I offered 4 k baht for all day, for a 2 day trial period, with a 4 hour break to go home and do whatever each day. Deal didn't go through. I'm guess 4 k baht for next-day+night LT (20 hours) ibar stunner is too low? I'm not experienced with the ibar scene so just want to figure what a good price is.What you said was very confusing. Are you saying you have already been with this girl for both ST and a LT, and you were trying to set up a trial period of 2 days. And, did you actually tell her that " trial period " with the intent for wanting a week with her?

If the above is true, and she turned down your offer of 4 K, then I would suggest that for whatever reason she does not want to go with you.

[FL Hawk]

Pattaya Trip Report, Day 1 (Sunday).

Being from the USA, my standard operation is to depart from the US out of LAX via EVA airline's elite class, travel to Taipei and then on to Bangkok. The trip from LAX to Taipei is about 13 to 14 hours, then 3. 5 hours from Taipei to Bangkok, with a 3 to 4 hour layover. It is not an overly grueling journey when you fly Elite class and get to use the airline's lounge for the layover (even though the Taipei EVA lounge is not very good), but still tiring. By rushing to get in the immigration line, I actually made it out in time to take The 12 PM Bell bus to Pattaya if I had a ticket. I rushed down to where bus tickets are sold, not optimistic that I could find the alleged Bell counter than has eluded me for several trips now, but I went to the ticket counter to where other bus tickets are sold and asked where I could get Bell tickets. The lady, in poor English, seemed to be pointing me where to go, but I found nothing. I did go outside and found the Bell bus I wanted to be on, and I went to the driver to inquire, but the same lady who attempted to direct me someplace came out to speak with the driver, and told me I was too late. Argh. She pointed me back inside to get a later ticket, but I don't want to ride some old, rickety bus. That is what happened the last time I bought a ticket from that place. No thinks. I will stick with Bell. I ended up taking a taxi down to Pattaya and to my hotel. The trip to Pattaya went well but the Pattaya city traffic was bad, so we didn't reach the hotel until about 2 PM.

Normally, I try to rest for a bit, usually failing to actually fall asleep, but this time I did fall asleep, not waking up until about 6 PM. My plan was to visit the Full Moon Bar and see if Deah was in. Deah was a super hottie I saw twice on my last visit. Being so beautiful I figured she might now be on Walking Street, if not living off several foreign dudes. Arriving on Soi 6 via Baht Bus, I beelined to the bar to and inquire and was told there were two Deah's there, one of whom was sitting right there at the moment, and the one I think I want out but who might be back in a week or so. The Deah who was there wasn't too bad, with her main attributes being a set of DDs and blonde hair. I contemplated Big Boobed Deah, but I was in the mood for petite Thai and though I would save her for later.

The pickings along Soi 6 not too bad. As always, plenty of fatties, but there were a few nice ones to choose from, but no one outstanding. I walked all the way down to BR then turned around to take a second pass. A pretty girl at Foxy Bar, Noi, gave me the eye and she was quite attractive so I went over. I believe I have seen a Noi on Soi 6 before, but not this particular Noi (I don't think anyway). She had long hair, slender and said she was 23. She was dressed in black, with a black netting of sorts over her body, covering black shorts, but giving her a classy look. I had to wonder if that covering also covered a failing body? I bought her a drink and she warned up with me, and soon we were holding each other kissing. I was a bit apprehensive after I learned she had two kids, and by feeling her body I could tell she was not quite a spinner anymore, but things seemed firmed enough and she had a pretty face and was making the right moves, so I decided to go for it with her. Upstairs with the clothes off, her body was starting going downhill, sad to say, but was still quite acceptable. She took her time, gave a nice BBBJ, FK, FIV, and got wet on her own and really seemed to enjoy the session. On went the condom and, or course, condoms take so much of the feeling away, but it has been so long, I managed to release deep inside her. It was an enjoyable session, with going for the standard 1000 Thai Baht and the bar fine being above standard at 350. Fortunately, the problems of a month or two ago with not being able to use the upstairs rooms has been resolved.

Before I proceed, let me address my philosophy in my reporting about condoms and coming this time. If you have followed my past reports, a year or so ago I started reporting on my difficulty coming with condoms, and last November I reported on some bareback encounters I had, in which after trying for 30 to 40 minutes to come with a condom, when bareback was offered I found I could then come in under 30 seconds. Fortunately, I caught noting from those encounters, but I did raise a bit of debate over the practice of going bare, though I pretty refused to name those I engaged in it with as I didn't want others to go to them to demand what was freely offered to me. I really don't want to condone the risky practice of going bare with hookers, and I don't want to feel like I am encouraging it in any way by reporting on it. Nor do I want to be tempted in the slightest to go bare just so I can report on it here. So, except in some special situations, I will not report on any bare encounters, nor do I really hope to engage in many. I am not married, but I may wish to be at some point again, and a case of HSV is limiting in that regard. For me, having such great difficulty coming with a condom is so very frustrating that the temptation factor is high, but the one thing I do not want to do is to encourage others to take risks. I am preaching to myself here -.

Bare feels soooo wonderful, but not enough to make up for the pain and loss of freedom due to a said HSV infection. Anyway, do notassume Noi gave bare sex here and that is why I bring this up. She did not. Also, do not assume that if I report that I came with a provider that it was because she offered bare sex.

Sorry for that distraction.

After leaving Noi I took a baht bus to WS. I am guessing, but the time was maybe around 8 to 9 PM. BR was full of FL girls, with a few really attractive ones. I really had no plans at this point, but figured I would get some exercise in by waking WS a few times, grabbing a bite as I was hungry, maybe stopping in at the Peppermint to say Hi to the mamasan and see if Fon was working, then do whatever. No plans.

I did eat some fried rice at the NY place next to iBar, then I did step into the Peppermint. Going in there I know will cost me money, not because of bar fines, but because I have inadvertently developed a reputation as a bit of a spender with several ladies and the mamasan. There is one girl, a tad chubby, who latches on to me, and she brings a friend over, then the mamasan comes over, then the waiter or two gets involved, and money get tossed out, and I can wind up with a sizeable bill. It is not their fault as I allow it to happen, and I could turn the spigot off at any time but I guess part of me enjoys it. I can afford it, and this is the only place I am lose with the drinks and handouts, so whatever.

Last time I was there in November the mamasan had invited me to her birthday party, but I skipped out. I figured she would have forgotten by now but, no, when she saw me she came over and asked why I didn't attend. Well. But she was ok with it. While WS was fairly busy, the club wasn't so much. She pointed out some attractive girls and made some suggestions for bar fining. The chubby girl wasn't working so she didn't bug me, but another girl came over so there was three LD's and some cash thrown out just like that. I got out of there after just one round of drinks at least. I was actually not feeling all that well, being quite tired if not still a little clogged in the nose. I said I was going back to my hotel to sleep but actually.

I walked past iBar and found it comfortably full, but not packed. I guess we are in Low Season, and on a Sunday night it was showing. I stepped in to Red Car (or is it called Walking Street?? I will call it Red Car.) It was about midnight and not too busy either. I did not check any other places. Prior to leaving, I stopped to get some ice cream at that place across from Frog Bar to people watch. I saw a youngish couple approaching and the girl looked really sad, or was she mad, or. Then she literally projectile-pukes out a ton of frothing pink liquid. Fortunately she hits a drain grating, then she pukes again and yet again. Her friend was very caring and they soon move on, but wow. Strangest puke I have ever seen. Literally, pink puke. Of course, after seeing that, you have to sit and watch to see if anyone steps in it!

I then leave and walk back to my hotel on the beach side of BR. Not quite as many FL girls out, but I did see a handful of doable girls. Actually, I saw one that was pretty hot, but she had the look that while hot, she might not be that fun. I passed her by, then turned and crossed the street to return to my hotel. But it was not even 1 AM yet and I didn't want to go to bed too early, so I thought a massage would be nice. I went over the Soi 13/1 and found Ahm at Miss Massage. She was older, perhaps approaching 40, but a spinner body that was amazing. There was a younger woman there, but the body won me over. I have only done one Soi 13/ x massage place before and only got a brief HJ (more than that was quite expensive), but keep reading these places offer it all. Ahm gave a gentle massage which was what I needed and I was fighting to not pass out form being so tired. She started teasing my dick and asked if I wanted her to continue and it felt good so I said sure. But her clothes stayed on and she offered nothing more and I was tired so after 5 minutes of some nice rubbing I told her to stop. We teased each other a little after that with some very brief simulated doggie and standing from behind, but no offer or indication of anything more. The massage was 300 and I tipped her 500 for being a good sport, but I really don't know what an appropriate tip should be.

Walking down the street back to BR that hot FL girl came by. I guess she was hanging it up for the night. I was surprised that she had not found a customer, but maybe the attitude she projected ruined it for her, or maybe she already had a few. Don't know, but if I see her again I might give her a try. Anyway, back at the hotel I showered and hopped into bed, hoping to sleep until at least 10 AM.

To recap Day 1, Noi at Roxy for 350/1000 for a great, semi-GFE session, then 300/500 at Miss Massage for a HJ on Soi 13/1. I do feel a bit more jet-lagged than normal, and I trying to get over some allergies, but hope to be up to full speed tomorrow!

[Cool]

What you said was very confusing. Are you saying you have already been with this girl for both ST and a LT, and you were trying to set up a trial period of 2 days. And, did you actually tell her that " trial period " with the intent for wanting a week with her?

If the above is true, and she turned down your offer of 4 K, then I would suggest that for whatever reason she does not want to go with you.I think 4 k is a fair offer but you would have to catch her during a drought when she needs quick cash. Weekends and high season she would be less inclined. If she has no problem lining up clientele she would be better off lining up 5ST sessions a day at 3 k a pop. You've already had the privilege of sampling the menu so my mentor Mr. E would recommend moving on to another girl. She probably has Western Union boyfriends that allow her the luxury to choose when she wants to work. The best advice is the one the girls give which is "up to you". Do you want to get in a bidding war for her services? It usually doesn't end well unless you're a wealthy businessman. There is a darkskin girl on the beach who at best would be a and is on the wrong side of 30 and she pulls in 5 k a day and does not do short time. Her reputation is built on service. A Thai chick with top 5% looks would be selling herself short with 4k on a continual basis. A high demand or fair weather girl can put holes in your trip because the chances of them flaking is high because they have friends and options.

[Cool]

Syzygies made me realize that you have to take her out of the hotel / condo sometime. That's when incidentals creep up on you. You take her to the mall for dinner. Then all of a sudden your potential girlfriend sees a purse and some shoes she likes (or worse jewelry). Now your 4k date has ballooned into a 12 k date and that doesn't include the alcohol to stop her from getting bored. Seems you had a good thing going with ST and LT. Long long time makes sense if you're in an aforementioned non-monger locale.


I am surprised that you care what other guys think is a good price. It's bound to be lowball price. The girl knows best how much she wants, if she wants to do it at all.

As you say, the price for the average non-stunner is likely to be lower. How many STs does your girl typically get done in a night? Think about how much money she makes, then think about the inconvenience of having only 4 hours of the day to herself. She is going to charge for that inconvenience.

It matters little what others think, its how much she is worth to you. 4 K isn't getting it done. Is having all of a girls time worth more to you? Probably it isn't to me. I don't do these all day deals any more. I certainly used to many years ago, but if a girl stays with you too much, there is the danger of gradually turning into a girlfriend. It is handy to take girls with you on a holiday if it is a non monger destination.

Is your real purpose, purely to ensure that some other guy has not taken her and she stays available to you? A good reason, but you have to pay to keep the other dogs off. I know it is real annoying when you want a particular girl and too many other guys also want her. LOL..

[Deeepster]

Your story is very disjointed and hard to follow. Are you sure you didn't take a hit off that pipe? 555.

Just teasing.

There are some crazy girls out there but I never had a problem with a girl on drugs. Even though I am sure it is common.

Stay horny my discombobulated friend.

Uncle-V.Tease as much as you want. Using the enter button is a big sin reading / publish here. I'm soooo sorry. Noo I did not smoke, she return to ask if wanted a recession. I did ask her to leave her knickers don't wanted in return.

[WildHawk]

Pattaya Trip Report, Day 1 (Sunday).
...
If flying Elite on EVA is your custom, you might inquire as to whether the airline provides a chit to get in the express queue at Suvarnabhumi. Emirates first and business class do (present your air ticket to the customs / immigration). Keep the reports coming!

[David 2]

If flying Elite on EVA is your custom, you might inquire as to whether the airline provides a chit to get in the express queue at Suvarnabhumi. Emirates first and business class do (present your air ticket to the customs / immigration). Keep the reports coming!ANA also hands out Premium Lane access cards to Business and First customers. Very nice perk. And the Premium Lane is available for free for those mongers over the age of 70.

[YetAnotherGuy]

Pattaya Trip Report, Day 1 (Sunday).

If you have followed my past reports, a year or so ago I started reporting on my difficulty coming with condoms, and last November I reported on some bareback encounters I had, in which after trying for 30 to 40 minutes to come with a condom, when bareback was offered I found I could then come in under 30 seconds..A couple of thoughts, which you've maybe already tried, but in case not I'll offer them:

Try a larger condom, it can make a big difference. Sagami 002 large is a good option, and can be found in some pharmacies in Pattaya (such as the pharmacy in the shopping center).

Try more / better lubrication.

[Houston Player]

FL Hawk, dude weather you go bareback or not is no concern of mine. However I need to ask if you have your abbreviations mixed up? Because HSV is spread by skin to skin contact and is easily caught even using a condom if your partner is having an out break or if she is in the process of scaling which shows no signs.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I head to [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) last night didn't see anyone decent all fat chubby girl when I walk past OM bar a few place down I saw a tall nice looking girl her name is mina.

She is new in town only been in town for 3 days from Rayong she want 2000 bht all night is early about 8 pm settle for 1500 and 400 bar fine very GFE experience.

Stay until 9 am next morning she is new to the game so I have to train her a bit but good attitude.

Fast Eddie 48.

[FL Hawk]

A couple of thoughts, which you've maybe already tried, but in case not I'll offer them:

Try a larger condom, it can make a big difference. Sagami 002 large is a good option, and can be found in some pharmacies in Pattaya (such as the pharmacy in the shopping center).

Try more / better lubrication.These are what I am using. Definitely need to keep lubricated or they WILL break. Most unreliable condom I have ever used, but all of the thin ones have this problem to some degree.

[FL Hawk]

FL Hawk, dude weather you go bareback or not is no concern of mine. However I need to ask if you have your abbreviations mixed up? Because HSV is spread by skin to skin contact and is easily caught even using a condom if your partner is having an out break or if she is in the process of scaling which shows no signs.I am quite aware, and this is why HSV is so worrisome. As you would seem to indicate, bare or not, HSV is always a concern.

[FL Hawk]

DAY 2 (Monday).

Well, I was hoping to sleep until at least 10 AM, but I was wide awake at 8:30 for my first morning in Pattaya. I went to breakfast, then rested a bit. I am getting over an allergy but still feeling tired with a slightly running nose and light coughing. I have been reading here of some who dislike Soi 6 for various reasons, all of them perfectly valid. But I love this street. I am a tad put off with the bed sheets not being cleaned each time, and the bathrooms / showers. So I quite understand guys having an issue there. I might have an issue as well if I thought about it, but I try to not for, if I did, I would probably mostly avoid the place too. It helps knowing that everyone who lies on those sheets has at least had a shower! But on Soi 6, you can find some diamonds in the rough, and one thing I will occasionally do is start at one end of the street and partake sexually of two or three girls, one after another, as I progress down to the street's end. It is not an issue so much of money – I am quite ok in that department – but the shear joy of having so many young, lovely Asian girls who really do want to have sex with you (for money of course) with, usually, great attitudes, for less than $40! Where else?

One thing I don't like about Soi 6 in the afternoon is the blinding sun that is in your eyes as your progress from east to west. It makes looking at the girls difficult unless maybe you wear a baseball hat or walk along holding a hand up to shade your eyes. Rather than squint, I often do a quick walk down to BR then turn around and do a more detailed review of what is available on the return walk.

So, on such a trip back I was attracted to a cute spinner, Amy, at the Pussy Club. Relatively tall, very skinny but not to an unhealthy extent, and quite cute, I met Amy. She was 24, I think she said, or maybe it was 22. We talked for a while and she started to warm up to me. She said she was hung over from the previous night but still was lively and she gave me the impression she might be fun in bed, even if slightly hung over, so I asked her if she wanted to go upstairs. Of course she did, and asked if I wanted a shower and when I said yes, she directed me to a shower room and said go ahead. Um, ok, so I go take a shower alone. Only once before has this happened on Soi 6 and the following session was not a good one. So I showered and when we met back up she revealed a tight and toned body bearing no signs of fat or childbirth. We had a nice foreplay session where she exhibited some playfulness. Her breasts were small, but nicely shaped for the size. She was closely shaved and we enjoyed some kissing and touching. No BJ offered. The condom went on and she climbed on slowly, easing herself onto me. The sex was good. Not outstanding, but good. Despite me not writing all that much about her here, she was fun and I would rate her as being a semi-GFE overall. Of course I did not come with her, and she was sad, but whatever. We had never talked price (I am not even sure what the bar fine was – probably 300 or maybe 350), but I gave her 1000 and no tip. Not sure if she wished for a little more as she apologized again for not getting me off, but it wasn't her fault, but she really did nothing above and beyond to deserve a tip. She was fun, but not sure I will do her again.

I left and continued by walk to the east and passed a cute girl at Kawaii. She smiled and I kept walking, not really sure at first glance if I wanted to stop yet. But I turned around and she was still looking at me smiling. I kept walking, though thinking she really wasn't bad looking. I turned around again and she was still looking at me, but had her hand up cured up held to her eye, making it like a telescope, looking at me. I laughed, walked a few steps more, then figured she was really kind of cute and I turned around to go talk her. She knew I was American due to my accent. I asked how she knew my accent was American and she said she had an American ex-BF, and it turns out he has my same first name and lived in the same state I live in. What are the odds? I don't know how they met, but they fell in love and he was giving her money to go to go school to study business and was going to marry her. He had, three times, applied for visas for her, even a fiancé visa and even as a student, but they had been declined each time. The BF then, he alleges and she believes, found out he had cancer and was likely to die, and he allegedly didn't want her to deal with it as he wife / GF. She said she was willing to deal with it, but that he cut off contact with her, even though his mother has told her he is, allegedly doing poorly. So, with this loss of support, she has to support herself. She comes to Pattay during school holidays to work so she can make money to be an account / CPA. And like so many Thai women, she is stuck supporting both her mother and her grandmother. She has a brother in the army that can't or won't contribute, as well as a younger sister who is unable to help. I do admire her for taking responsibility of the situation, but feel sad that her life could (supposedly) be so much better had the BF not gotten sick. (Of course, cynical me, wonders if the BF is lying and is actually doing fine. Not sure I could push away a woman I was about to marry due to an illness, though I do understand the motivation if the story is true.).

She explained also that at the club the girls get paid once a month, and if you quit before the pay day you don't get paid. She mentioned this, saying she had wanted to leave the place but is staying so she can get her money. Seems wrong that you can't get paid for what you work despite quitting. The clear indication is she is not especially happy to be working in this business, is sad that he life has been somewhat turned upside down, but yet, she says she is happy and she did indeed display a great attitude.

Anyway, she was indeed very pretty with a great figure and legs and nice face with a great smile. I knew I had to have her, though she acted a bit shy. I asked if she wanted to go upstairs and she hesitated, saying she wasn't sure if she could. Well, I said, if you don't like me that is ok. She said it wasn't that, but I guess related to the police raids. She asked the mamasan and of course it was ok, and she seemed happy with that response, so up we went. She asked if I wanted a shower and I said yes then, again, the shower was pointed out to me and I was told to use the water in a big barrel. What, no hot water through a faucet? Ugh. The water was not cold, but the first few splashed brought some shivers, but after that it felt fine. But still, I have shower alone by splashing water cool water with a dish on myself, then splash water to rinse off the soap? She went to a second room and cleaned herself up, and I met her back in the room, her lying on the bed with a towel wrapped around her. She said she was shy and she was. I lay down next to her and we engaged in some nice touching and light kissing and the towel she had wrapped around her was finally removed. I had taken an half of an Apcalis (generic Cialis) pill earlier at the hotel, and it was working (it should work a day or so) and she rubbed me a to full erection. She did have a very good body. No kids, flat stomach, small breasts that she was self-conscious over, but they looked fine, slender but not skinny body, and great figure and legs. No BJ as she had braces, or maybe it was a retainer or some sort. The condom went on and I went in and even with the condom she felt wonderful, relatively, and I was thinking that I might be able to come. We started out with us laying on our sides facing each other, then moved to missionary and then on to doggie, but she was drying out and then the condom broke. Sheesh. I had no more and had to use hers, which were awful. I couldn't feel a thing hardly, and without any lube, it went downhill so I gave up. Anyway, she mentioned our time was about up and they get fined if they go over. Never heard that one before and it had not been that long. She said was sorry she couldn't get me to come, saying many men complain about condoms. I told her I was clean but that she certainly couldn't trust us guys and to never give in just because we said we were safe. Many have gotten a virus by trusting strangers. She said she was tested and was clean (but I don't think they test for HSV! But there was no discussion about going bareback.

Despite her possibly giving me the boot early, I like this girl, Ploy, and may see her again. With her good English, taking her LT might be productive and fun, and though she gave a pretty good performance, on a second visit and especially away from Soi 6, she might open up. I do not know the bar fine here or standard rate here – I I just paid the bill along with the drinks and gave her 1200 as I liked her. Not quite up to the near-GFE level due to no BJ and the mention about time limits, but she was easy to talk to and she had a good attitude for being in the situation she is in.

Leaving her behind the sun was close to setting so I headed back to my hotel. I was thinking of grabbing my camera to get some sunset shots, but I started writing this report to get some info down and before I knew it, it was dark. My nose was really clogged and I had a slight heartache, so I decided to nap for a bit. I woke up around 9 pm, a good time, and decided to go down to BR and look for FL girls. There was a fair number out and a few really cute girls. I made a couple of passes and decided to approach this blonde spinner. This was not the girl I saw the previous day with a presumed attitude, but this one also seemed to have an attitude that made her sexy even though you suspect she will be a star fish, but you will risk her as she is so sexy and you hope she will be that **** in bed you always dreamed off. I made several passes and she remained untaken, so I went over and said Hi. She almost seemed surprised I came over. She said Hello, back but then would not even look at me. I made another comment but was basically ignored so, wow, was this girl actually a FLer? Well, duh, she had to be, or why else had she been standing here for so long? But hey, if she didn't want me, fine, but getting declined by a streetwalker is surprising. I soon found another suitable girl. She was very pretty, but she also seemed distant when I went over, and I think she was willing to go with me, but I was not getting good vibes. With the bad vibes I said farewell and tried another girl, very cute, and the same thing happened! What the. ? Oh well, and since I was close to WS at that point, I decided to head on down and step into Red Car at least.

It was after midnight and while the place was comfortably full, it was not packed. I found a table to sit down at, ordered a non-alcholic Bangkok Breeze, and waited to see what might happen. When I walked in at first, on the southern side of the room was a single, geeky-looking girl in glasses. She was enjoying herself dancing alone to the music. She really wasn't all that bad looking and I don't think I have ever had a geeky-looking girl before, at least not like her. I suspected she might remain alone and would be happy for me to talk to her. I ended up sitting directly across the room from her on the north side, and without any intention on my part, was able to have a fairly unobstructed view of her. To my left was a really cute Thai girl in short shorts dancing away. She would be nice to go home with, but she seemed to be entertaining some dude, but she was definitely sexy. Then two ladies come in a take a table next to mine. One is a bit chubby though the other is not too bad and she had nice boobs. I might do her, but not the chubby one. But after a bit the chubby one says Hello, and asks where I am from, then if I am alone and if I have any friends. She pretty much ignored me after that, possibly waiting on me to make my moves, which was fine with me. Meanwhile, the geeky girl is really going at her dancing and she may have noticed me a few times, but I stay put to see what happens, thinking I might get up and go over to her before I leave if she remains alone. Then two more girls come in and they are friends of the two who are next to me. One is young and really cute who has me drooling when she starts dancing, alone, to the music, maybe just a foot or two away. The other is older, maybe 35, short hair, more sophisticated looking and, as it turns out, on the hunt for a dude. She turns around, smiles at me, and asks me to massage her neck. Well, ok. Her name is Pat and she says she is in town for a few days visiting her friends. She gets me to dance in place with her, and quickly we are touching and grinding. A dude sitting at the bar is watching us as well as the cutie, clearly wanting some action too. He approaches the cutie but she rejects him. In fact, of the 4 friends, Pat is the only one who has shown any interest in a man. Around 2 AM Pat asks if she can come spend the night with me and, duh, I say sure. I should add that I bought all of them drinks, and I think that helped win me over with them. She and the cutie gets ready to leave and the chubby girl smiles and gives me the thumbs up. The geek has apparently left, alone. Exiting the club, the cutie goes off and Pat and I head to my hotel.

You never know how these girls will perform, and at the hotel she actered tired and less intense. We showered together and, in bed, she asked for a massage and I could tell she was tired. Or bored. But when I finished she turned over, asked me if I had a condom, and then she started a slow, very nice BBBJ. Not the greatest, but not bad at all. I liked her going slow and gentle. When it came time for the condom, I added a little lube to the tip of my Johnson before rolling on the condom. It added a bit to the outside as well and when I entered her in Missionary, it slid right it. It felt good and I wondered if I would come with her. That seems to be a common thought of mine, isn't it? The lube inside I think made things feel better, so I thought I had a chance. Long story short, I did pull it off.

I showered but she curled up to sleep. After not too long, she started coughing. It sounded pretty real, but who knows? Then after a bit she said she needed to leave, that she would see a doctor in the morning. Ok. Fine. She doesn't want to sleep with me for whatever reason and, really, I didn't care if she left or not. Mornings can be awkward with a girl. We have a slight discussion about rates and her leaving early, then she departs at about 3:30 am.

I only could get in a few hours sleep and was wide awake by 8 AM, even though still drowsy. I headed out to breakfast before coming back to write this all down, though I feel like I will need another nap soon. Maybe I am jet lagged afterall? And I am getting a headache back. Possibly a caffeine headache? I have cut down on my caffeinated beverages. But I had this kind of headache along with my allergies. And my BMs were, well, I don't need to go into too much detail here, but it appeared I might be a tad bit sick. Not really constipated, certainly no diarrhea. I started popping some Motrin and went out to get some loratadine as I was also getting some post nasal drip. Sigh.

But to recap the day, I was with two cute Soi 6 girls, Amy and Ploy, for 1000 each and either a 300 or 350 BF. Then Pat, a Red Car FL, for an overpriced 2000. Good sex, but she skipped out on me, so never again with her. And, as a surprise, I was declined by a BR FL girl, and two others also showed some attitude that, really, makes me wonder if I rejected them or they rejected me.

[Yuri B]

DAY 2 (Monday).
***
Despite her possibly giving me the boot early, I like this girl, Ploy, and may see her again. With her good English, taking her LT might be productive and fun, and though she gave a pretty good performance, on a second visit and especially away from Soi 6, she might open up.
***A number of years ago (my last time in Pattaya) I also liked Soi 6 the most and had the most success there. But I was amazed how this place changed every day (and sometimes from afternoon to the night) with the different girls available. So how will you be looking for Ploy, if the memory of her wakes up the strength of your little friend?

Also, I was very alarmed with your.


DAY 2 (Monday).
*** I asked if she wanted to go upstairs and she hesitated, saying she wasn't sure if she could. Well, I said, if you don't like me that is ok. She said it wasn't that, but I guess related to the police raids.
***-- ah, WTF?! LE got into action?? Anyone knows about this? Should I worry next week? .

[LoneWolff]

DAY 2 (Monday).

One thing I don't like about Soi 6 in the afternoon is the blinding sun that is in your eyes as your progress from east to west. It makes looking at the girls difficult unless maybe you wear a baseball hat or walk along holding a hand up to shade your eyes. Rather than squint, I often do a quick walk down to BR then turn around and do a more detailed review of what is available on the return walk.It is small details like these, many times overlooked, however can make a good evening much better for a first time visitor to any place. Thanks for sharing and a detailed report. Glad to see you had a good time.

[Banana Boi]

-- ah, WTF?! LE got into action?? Anyone knows about this? Should I worry next week? .Well documented, Yuri. Pattaya trying to clean up because of some stupid British tabloid no one in the world reads other than Brits. Everything is back to normal now. You can bring your Soi 6 girls back to your hotel.

Always fun reads, FL. Thanks for the effort you put into this board.

[Breadman]

I showered but she curled up to sleep. After not too long, she started coughing. It sounded pretty real, but who knows? Then after a bit she said she needed to leave, that she would see a doctor in the morning. Ok. Fine. She doesn't want to sleep with me for whatever reason and, really, I didn't care if she left or not. They all catch that dreaded cough when they want to head home. Last one that did it to me had to go to the hospital, 20 minutes later she was alright. Must have been a hospital really close by with alot of doctors on call at 4 am. In my mind that voids any negotiated price you may have worked out beforehand. Pay her what you think is fair and call it a night.

[Lefeu]

... Sagami 002 large is a good option, and can be found in some pharmacies in Pattaya (such as the pharmacy in the shopping center).

Try more / better lubrication.Can you please be more specific about which shopping center you are talking about. Is it Central Festival? I use the Sagami 002 but ran out. I checked several pharmacies and none of them carry the 002's. Thanks.

[Franga]

Can you please be more specific about which shopping center you are talking about. Is it Central Festival? I use the Sagami 002 but ran out. I checked several pharmacies and none of them carry the 002's. Thanks.I was perusing the condom section at Boots Pharmacy yesterday in Royal Garden when I noticed some Sagami branded products. One small packet and another larger packet. Boots is on the floor one level up from the ground and at the beach Road end. Middle aisle. Can't say if it is the size you are after though. Maybe not.

[FL Hawk]

A number of years ago (my last time in Pattaya) I also liked Soi 6 the most and had the most success there. But I was amazed how this place changed every day (and sometimes from afternoon to the night) with the different girls available. So how will you be looking for Ploy, if the memory of her wakes up the strength of your little friend?

Also, I was very alarmed with your.

-- ah, WTF?! LE got into action?? Anyone knows about this? Should I worry next week? .No, no worries. This is from the past. I really have no idea why she mentioned it. If she didn't want to be with me she would have not have gone to ask the mamasan. Or maybe she at first wanted LT so she could leave that place. This was a girl who almost married an American and thought she would be having a better life, not stuck prostituting herself to go to school and take care of her family.

How will I find Ploy again? Go back to the bar and ask for her! Hmmm, I have not done that yet.

[FL Hawk]

Day 3 (Tuesday).

Day 3 has been a bit of a downer as I suffer from insufficient quality sleep and lingering illness or, worse, a new one. I woke up several hours earlier that I should have, so I started the day sleep-deprived. I went out for breakfast but felt so tired when I got back I took a nap, but it was a fitful nap and I think it left me worse off. I worked on last night's report then felt like I needed another nap. It, too, was fitful, and I think got up to go Soi 6 more because I felt I needed to before it got too late than really wanting to. Walking down Soi 6, without really intending to, I ended up with Noi again. Noi's appearance on Sunday was more sophisticated, as she was wearing a long black dress, split down the sides. Today she wore simple jean shorts and top, and when I first went over to her, I didn't immediately realize it was her. Up close, I remembered, and in her short jeans, her being a mommie was more obvious. But her face is so cute, and that is why I went over. I stood in the street talking to her still refusing to be lured inside. I wanted to move on, but I was also feeling so tired and I had a slight headache. I really just wanted to lie down and sleep. I gave in after some chatting, thinking I could lay back in the bed and let her do the work. With a repeat girl you have been with, you can do that. With a new girl, you need to be more engaged, and I think that is the rational for going with Noi.

After the shower I laid down to let her just do her work, and the session turned into one of the best GFE's I have had for a while. She started off with a slow BBBJ which was no nice and I could lay still. She licked her way up to my face, then back down again. All was slow, and while I originally had not felt all that horny, Noi was waking some things up inside of me. I took more time to look at her body. Her breasts were small, but did not looked suckled on, so their appearance was fine. Free of the tight shorts, her body actually looked pretty good for having two kids with really no excess fat or sagging and, of course, her face was lovely to look at.

She was no clock watcher. I was really surprised how long things seemed to last. Noi truly seemed to be having fun and doing all she could to enhance my enjoyment. I used my fingers to rub her clit as we did a variation of the scissors position, and she was in cowboy then she turned around, keeping me inside, and did various forms of the reverse cowboy, some that I have never done before. She did everything possible to get me off, but it was too soon since the last time for me. Age is taking a toll. She was sad she couldn't get me off, but I rewarded her with a 500 baht tip on top of her normal 1000 fee. She performed way beyond reasonable expectations, and even at 1500 baht she was underpaid for her efforts. I am sure I will see her again. I generally don't like repeating more than twice, but I am pretty sure there will be a third time here.

After that, it was getting late and I headed back to the hotel. I still felt tired, especially after the sexual exercise, so I took yet another nap. It was dinner time, but I was more tired than hungry. I woke up from the nap, noticed the time, then took another nap. I have never had jet lagged like this coming in to Thailand. I wanted to sleep more but was concerned if I did I would really screw my internal clock up. I feared if I slept too much would end up waking up at 6 AM, a really horrible time for mongering! I had been forcing myself to stay awake, but found would doze off and have strange mini-dreams. That, for me, means I am sleep deprived. Finally at 11 PM I got up, composed myself and headed out, but I took some Motrin as I was getting a headache. I walked to WS, passing up some pretty FL girls on BR, and headed to the Peppermint. Fon is still working there and I thought I would go see her. I like the Peppermint, but it is expensive for me as I have so many "friends" that all want a piece of me. I enter, and the waiter is happy to see me, duh. He gets me a top seat next to a real cutie. She is hot! I think her name is At, number 810. She becomes a new instant friend. Then the regular "friends" see me and come rushing over for the free drinks and tips for doing nothing than sit next to me rather than off on their on. But it is my own fault and I could stop it at any time. Can't blame them, it is me. My head is actually pounding now, but only sweet At cares, and she begins to rub my head for a few minutes, which I thought was very nice. I am thinking I might want to BF her when I feel better. I do not ask her rate, but I think her BF is 1000. Rates here I remember are expensive, but I don't want to make my headache worse by asking! I am told Fon in not working today, but that is ok. I have her Line ap and hope to meet up with her off line once my health has returned.

So I leave before draining my pockets too much, and head back to Red Car. It is around 1 am I guess. A Motrin I took is kicking in so the headache has eased, otherwise the pounding music in there would have killed me. Actually, I put in some noise suppressors those foam things that make you look like a dork. It helps. I see Pat there with a fat old guy. She skipped on me previously with a coughing fit that I figured was fake. I didn't really care, but I gave her too much money to skip out on me like that. She sees me looking at her and I wave. She smiles back. I bet she would rather be with me that that fat geezer. She is really slumming it tonight, haha! The nerdy girl is there but I am in no condition to party tonight. I have not eaten in over 12 hours and really want to just leave and sleep. But instead I order a non-alcoholic Bangkok Breese, made of citris and fruit. It is very acidic, but maybe the fruit juice will help Well, after drinking half I start to feel like I might throw up. Nooooo. I haven't had a drop of alcohol and I will not throw up like that girl who projectile vomited pink foam! I quickly leave the bar and go catch a baht bus to take me home, fortunately not losing any fluids.

Ando of course, getting home and crawling in bed, sleep eluded me. Sigh. I think there is some truth to the statement that one can be too tired to sleep. Right? My headache became quite painful and I had to deal with some matters back home that kept interrupting me on the phone but, eventually, I fell asleep and slept until 11 AM. This is actually time I want to wake up, so might my jet lag now be over?

To conclude the day's events, today was a down day due to some combination of jet lag and continued illness. I was with just one girl today, and her a repeat, but what an experience! Still, I really need a solid 6 to 8 hours of sleep and a good dump. Not that the beds at the Dynasty are exactly comfortable.

[Banana Boi]

Sacrifice a day. I know it's not optimal at all but sometimes it's worth it to sacrifice a day (or afternoon / evening). Don't force it. Let your body re-adjust itself and go from there. You'll find yourself with much more energy and make up for the loss time. Isn't the saying for every hour change in time zone you fly it takes 1 day to recover from your jet lag? Something like that.

[Blanquiceleste]

Pattaya Trip Report, Day 1 (Sunday).Great report, really enjoyed reading. Thanks.

[Blanquiceleste]

Can you please be more specific about which shopping center you are talking about. Is it Central Festival? I use the Sagami 002 but ran out. I checked several pharmacies and none of them carry the 002's. Thanks.I always find it most convenient to order them online. The package is packed and labelled very discretely. And they are far cheaper than buying OTC.

[FL Hawk]

Day 4 – Soi 6 Marathon.

I again slept until 11 am today, so maybe I am finally getting acclimated, though I still had a bit of a headache. I downed some ibuprofen and walked down to Subway for lunch, but when I returned I felt tired, so I wrote down the highlights of yesterday's experiences then took a nap. I rested until around 4 then, feeling halfway decent, headed for Soi 6 thinking I would stop by the Full Moon bar and see she big breasted Deah I mentioned on Sunday. I hope that the beautiful Deah will return before I depart.

BB Deah was there, and there was also a really hot girl there too that, had I not already asked for Deah, I would have chosen in a heartbeat. I will come back for her later, but forgot to ask for her name. So Deah and I go inside and sit down, and this is when I see how tall she really is! She sounds like a girl though, and her face looks like a girl, but I have to ask if she is a LB just to be safe, and she assures me she is. In fact, she later laments that she may lose customers over concerns she is one due to her height, saying both her parents were tall. I think guys might think she is a LB over those huge breasts, as well. Her English is pretty decent and though I am wondering if she will be a good provider, we go upstairs and those DD's are exposed in all their glory. Definitely bolt-ones, but well done, being soft and squeezable.

She starts off with the BBBJ right away, but my fears she is trying to rush are soon put to rest. She takes her time, stopping only to ask that if I come, to not come in her mouth. I haven't come orally in a few years, so that won't be a problem. Things proceed nicely and I soon discover this session is turning out to be semi-GFE. Lots of kissing and touching and doing the little things that add to the experience that many working girls won't do. The condom goes on and she slips me inside and, for a larger girl (again, not fat, though a few extra pounds in her stomach area), feels pretty good. We do different positions and she is enthusiastic in all. I will say that while I didn't come with her, I came very close and her reason for wanting me to come back to see her again was because she wanted to see me come with her! Haha. And I halfway believe her. She seemed very real and while I prefer the smaller girls, my time with BB Deah was quite pleasant and enjoyable. 300 BF and 1000 for her, plus a 100 tip. Certainly if you want to squeeze some DDs that don't belong to a LB, give her a try.

My headache was mostly gone (due to the release of endorphins?) and as headed west along Soi 6, as I was passing the Miss be-Haven bar, a cute, dark skinned, petite classic Issan spinner, looking to be about 20, gave me a huge smiled and waved me over. I won't say she was a beauty in any classical sense, but Pa (her name) was darn cute who seemed to have an energetic personality. She started giving me wet kisses in the bar so I was sold and upstairs we went. She started out with DFK and lots of close touching, then got down between my legs and, looking up with me with those big brown eyes, gave a pleasant BBBJ. She may have learned by watching Japanese porn, you know, where the girls concentrate on mainly the head, licking it and not really inserting much more into their mouth? That was her style, and seeing her cute face looking at me while doing it made me feel like a porn actor with a cute Asian girl. This is not to say she didn't go deep some, but licking the head was her favorite and, when you can look down into her eyes as she is doing it, it is hot. The condom goes on she is indeed enthusiastic, relieving me of having to do much work. I am sure she has a kid, as her small, dark breasts are a bit droopy, but her pussy is quite tight and I wondered if I might come with her. I get close, fail, but go down on her clean shaven pussy, and she goes a bit crazy. Nothing is sexier than hearing acute Asian woman saying words of pleasure you can't understand! Not a clock watcher at all and full of effort, she clearly went above and beyond, so I paid the standard 1000/300 and tipped her 200. I would also classify the encounter as a near-GFE as well due to all the kissing, activity, contact and enthusiasm.

After the energetic Pa, I continued walking towards the beach on Soi 6 and was greeted by Jaeb at Smoke and Mirrors. Jaeb was more like the girl next door, in not being a beauty necessarily, but yet very attractive. I mean, she was not petite, but had nice legs and a decent figure, but with a light skin and a very pretty face. I mean, body a 7 but the face a 9 – she looked relatively classy and more mature. I had a feeling she would be fun, too. I was sold and upstairs we went. Unlike Pa, she took me in all the way with her wonderful BBBJ. She had a nice set of Bee cups, soft skin, she offered lots of kissing and, again, provided a near GFE but in a more calm way. After three wild girls, I was now somehow able to come with her. Standard 1000/300 and I tipped her 200 I think. Any girl that can get me off deserves a tip.

I did go to WS but was sufficiently satisfied / tired that I did not go actively looking for a 4th encounter. Heck, I can't even remember what I may have done on WS.

Of the three girls on Soi 6, Jaeb is one I might see again. Well, all would be worthy of a second trip, but Jaeb would be at the top of the list as I found her combination of looks, performance and maturity to be the best. But any of three are highly recommended. Heck, most every Soi 6 girl I have been with has been great. I am sure I will find a dud here, but no complaints so far, and note that I am avoiding the fatties and uglies. These girls may not be 10's, but they are all above average. And how many 10's do you see on WS?

[D Cups]

Ditto. Thanks, FL. I don't know when I'll be back to Patts but it's definitely on the to do list.


Great report, really enjoyed reading. Thanks..

[Christian G]

Soi 6 and was greeted by Jaeb at Smoke and Mirrors.Smoke & Mirrors? Maybe do you mean Smoke & Kiss!? She could be Jaeb ex Vikings bar.

[FL Hawk]

Smoke & Mirrors? Maybe do you mean Smoke & Kiss!? She could be Jaeb ex Vikings bar.You may be correct! Smoke and something! Haha There was certainly both. Thanks for the correction.

[Syzygies]

Smoke & Mirrors? Maybe do you mean Smoke & Kiss!? She could be Jaeb ex Vikings bar.Her name is probably Jiap (sounds a bit like Gee-up), most likely (a common name). Jaeng, Jun, Jane, June, Joop, Jip and Jit are also common names, but Jiap seems closest to the funny spelling Jaeb.

[Mr Enternational]

Her name is probably Jiap (sounds a bit like Gee-up), most likely (a common name). Jaeng, Jun, Jane, June, Joop, Jip and Jit are also common names, but Jiap seems closest to the funny spelling Jaeb.Or just maybe it was Jeab (not that it matters). I know a few chicks with that nickname.

[Eric Swiss]

I started the evening with live music at Lucifer, then headed out to Skyfall. At some point they had a line-up of girls with big tits, and when they came down from the stage one of them looked at me with thirsty eyes, so I invited her. LD was 200.

Turns out her name was "T" as in the letter. She was about 29 yo, 5 foot 2, slightly darker skin than usual, maybe some part African-American ancestry in her bloodline.

Her English was very good. At some point she said she preferred Farangs than Asians. She gave me a boner, so I took her out. BF was 1500 and ST was 3000. She said she'd been a lapdancer in London before, so I pre-negotiated a lap dance. I also told her to take some sexy lingerie clothes I could fuck her in. I also pre-negotiated I would pay after the deed is done, and told her I didn't want to be rushed. She said short time is 2 hours max, so that was fine by me.

I took her to Oasis. Room was 470 Baht. We showered together. She was very sexy. Then she did a memorable lapdance. Real professional stuff. She sucked my cock and I started to want to fuck her. I banged her in a few positions, and in the end came all over her beautiful tits. Very nice. I also liked to see her tits bursting out of her lingerie as I was fucking her. Her ass had a really great shape.

Overall, I would recommend. She's not super young, but she is not dick scared. I probably won't repeat because there are just too many girls offering themselves. But I'll remember the lapdance!

[FL Hawk]

Her name is probably Jiap (sounds a bit like Gee-up), most likely (a common name). Jaeng, Jun, Jane, June, Joop, Jip and Jit are also common names, but Jiap seems closest to the funny spelling Jaeb.I went back to check my notes and I have the spelling as Jaep. Unless I made an entry blunder, this is how she spelled it to me, so I will consider this as being the official spelling of her name.

Now surprisingly, I saw her last night. I don't want to spoil my report but since I behind, I was out in mongering mode and walked right by her. I was looking for a hot spinner and she didn't fit that bill. I saw her smile and I smiled back, but I totally did not recognize her and kept walking. I was surprised when I heard her call out my name. I stopped and went over, still not recognizing her as being anyone I had screwed. She was slightly miffed and asked if I remembered her name? Only when she said Jaep did I remember. Sheesh, I reported her face was a 9? What was I thinking. Pretty, yes, but not the 9 I gave her. Maybe 7 like the rest of her. Anyway, I do endeavor to be accurate in my descriptions but sometimes I seem to over-rate inadvertently.

[FL Hawk]

Day 5 (Thursday).

This turned out to be rather down day, or a day of rest and / or recuperation. I spent much of the time in bed, trying to nap as I simply felt dead and without energy. I totally blew off Soi 6 and only did some report writing and finally got Day 1 reviewed and posted. Physically, I felt bloated and knew that I had to be having a monster dump coming due, but I can avoid talking about that that right now!

For a variety of reasons, I did not start my mongering day until quite late, like about 9 PM, before heading out to Soi 6. I had contemplated simply walking down to the beach and getting a FL instead, but I prefer Soi 6 girls and I was thinking of the hottie at the Full Moon Bar I had first seen Sunday, but failed to ask her name. Arriving on Soi 6, it did not seem particularly busy, but the hottie at Full Moon was not out, so I continued walking and a young cutie from X-Bar gave me a big smile and called to me as I walked by so I went over. She appeared to be early 20's, striking face and sporting some nice boobs. I went inside with her and she said her name was May, but her English was poor. The charming mamasan, who was maybe 35 and pretty attractive herself, came over the help translate. May was a new arrival from Issan. She had light skin, a very attractive face and smile, and while no spinner, had a really nice body and legs. I never asked her age, but surely early 20's max. From what I gathered, her father died at 41 and that required she leave home and go to work to support the family. So, I guess, a fairly typical sad story about why the girls come to Pattaya. She was cute and young and while inexperienced in the business apparently, I decided to BF her. The mamasan made clear that that May was shy and had been doing this for just about 2 weeks.

I don't mind fresh meat, and being young is fine if my being old is ok. She accepted my request and upstairs we went. But, we each showered separately. Meeting in the bedroom she was wrapped in her towel and she lied next to me on her side, waiting for me to make a move. I touched her but she was really shy and barely touched me back, but over several minutes I removed the towel, revealing two really wonderful, natural large Cee breasts with quite thick nipples. By that, I mean the nipples are thick and dense, and the denseness goes deep into the breast tissue. The only time I have seen nipples like that is with my Thai GF. I don't really like it, but whatever. It is a curiosity. But the breast tissue itself is firm, as it should be for a younger woman, and quite a pleasure to play with. But May's shyness / newness was in full evidence. She would not touch back much at all and no offer for a BJ. I had refreshed my Apcalis and hour before, so her body, cute smile and those wonderfully firm breasts had me hard as a rock at that point. Also, in my touching of her, I felt her pussy as she was wet and tight. Amazingly wet, actually, and super slippery. It felt unusually wonderful. Had I been 16, knowing that I was about to enter this cute thing, just the wetness and slippery feeling of her pussy would have had me coming, I tell you. The fact she was so wet gave me hope that she might be a sexual monster about to be unleashed. Well, I put on the condom and she climbed on top and eased herself down on me and the warmth, wetness and tightness was even evident through the condom. Can I finish with this girl?!

Then it all starts to go downhill. With her impaled on me, she started bucking up and down, sort of. I mean, she was rather awkward it with no real rhythm and it took away from the experience. But, hey, she is a newbie. She finally gets it worked out then she turns her body away from me. She is clearly trying not to look at me. What the. ? I can play with those wonderfully firm breasts, which are awesome, but not see her lovely face.

I roll her over for some missionary, and even then she twists her upper body away and looks off to the side, he face covered by her hair. I mean, she is not simply looking away, she has her body literally twisting and raised of the bed a bit! Never had this happen before. Well, this isn't going to work! That, and the fact she was slowly drying out, is starting to have a toll. I mean, clearly this girl is not enjoying the sex. I ask if she is ok, and she says yes, and I suppose physically she is, but being with me is not where she wants to be. I understand that most of these girls will go through the actions and make you think they are having fun, but it was clear she was not having fun. And, for a newbie, I can understand that. I can sympathize. She wants to be back home with her father, but life is cruel and she is in Pattaya working as a hooker and having sex with an old man from overseas. (And thank goodness, for else her family might be in a way!

I move her in the spoon position and then back to missionary, spreading spit onto the condom to get some lube. I do have a small bottle of lube in my pocket, but I decide to just give up at this point. I pull out and roll her next her. I touch her to calm her, but then realize that could be making it worse! I ask for a shower.

She is not sure if I came or not. I pulled off my condom and she looked at it and could see that I did not. Unlike most providers, there was no showing of concern or trying to do more to get me off. She was quite respectful throughout, but a total star fish. She might be interesting to track over the next few months. Will she let loose and come to accept her work? Or might she give it up? Or maybe me being old enough to be her grandfather is causing her a problem? I can understand that, especially for a newbie who hasn't let learned that we all should simply look like a thousand baht bill.

After that, I went to Walking Street. It was close to 11 PM. I really had no plan. The whole episode with May had depressed me a bit. I ventured into a couple of gogos but did not check rates. Two girls in Pheromones hit me up for expensive LDs and were up for a three way. They were cute, but not what I wanted. I don't remember where else I went. Bee, I think is her name, is a girl who frequents WS that I seem to run into each trip. She is a cute girl, bubbly, girl that I took to my hotel once, but the sex was poor and I had to boot her as she was trying to stay with me for my whole trip. I really don't know her story, but I am sure it is not a happy one. I might enjoy spending time with her if she wasn't so clingy. Anyway, she saw me and wanted to go with me but I said no, I wanted to walk alone. She didn't bug me too much, volunteering to meet me someplace by the entr'acte to WS later. Fine, whatever. She got the hint and I did not see her anymore that night. Really, she is a cute girl and if you want a cute girl to spend a few days with you and take care of you, she would be the one. It is just that is not what I want! (If you are interested, I have no idea how to contact her.).

Another old friend I saw was my Fon, who I have a story with since I first met her in May of 2015 at the Peppermint, where she again works. In my mind, her body is close to perfection, but she is elusive as heck. I just saw her pass by and didn't bother to approach her as she was following some dude. I have her Line ID and am trying to work out something with her. She keeps saying yes to meeting, but I can't get anything confirmed out of her. It will probably be another dude with her.

I had never been to Lucifer's so I went in and it was interesting. It was about 2 AM and had just peaked and people were starting to leave. I sat at the bar when a seat opened up, then soon thereafter the seat next to me opened up and a girl came over to get a beer. A guy bumped her and she spilled a little on my pants. I think she apologized and we cleaned up the mess on me and on the bar. She was trying to say some things to me and with my old-aged hearing of high-pitched Thai women in an ear-splitting sound environment, I got a "*uck you" and "you have the face of a buffalo". Huh? I didn't do anything to her, but when she looked at me she was smiling. I left her be, but after a few minutes of each of us glancing at the other, I said Hello, and she eventually told me was saying those things about the guy who bumped in to her. I was not sure if she was showing interest in me or what, and she was pretty enough to go home with, but I didn't interact too much with her to keep my options open.

It was clear after a while that people were leaving and it would be her or nobody from this place. I am certain I could have taken her, but I knew I would have a difficult time speaking with her and, well, I felt if I was going to take someone home I wanted a looker and, while she was in her 30's and certainly not un-attractive, she was not the one for me at that point. To her surprise, I think, I bade her good night and left. Heck, it kind of surprised me too!

I went to Marine Bar and it had a decent crowd but I didn't stay long. I had had success there a year ago, but I left. IBar was still swinging but I didn't bother to go in. I think I am too old for iBar. Before leaving WS, I stepped into Red Car / Walking Street and it seemed to have just passed it peak. I walked around and a woman at a table of 3 friends stopped me and flirted. She poked at my Johnson a couple of times but I was not interested in her. One of her friends was not bad though, but I left them and walked to the other side of the room. The plan was to keep an eye on the better looking one and maybe go back if I detected an opening. (Well, I just had an opening with her but I walked away! Not really a good move unless you are prepared to lose everything, and I was.) Well, she left soon enough, but I stuck around. I didn't see the geeky girl this time. I was looking for potential mates, but soon people were leaving in droves now so I left too, alone. Pat, the girl who skipped out on me a few nights ago, was in the entrance hall. I stopped to say Hello,. She was friendly and seemed to open herself up to be taken home again but, even touching me, but nope. Been there, done that and gotten ditched early. I wished her well and proceeded on out.

The crowds of WS were much diminished now. I was tired and simply walked back to my hotel, noticing that the few SW girls out were on the east side of BR. I was not sufficiently attracted to solicit one. I was tired and wanted to sleep. I still had a bloated stomach. Am I finally getting old? I got to the hotel, looked in the mirror and noted I am getting jowls. Diminished sex drive and now jowls? Why do I come to Thailand and eat at Subway, Sizzler and Burger King? Not wanting to toss and turn alone in bed and then wake up at 6 AM in barely 2 more hours, I took an Ambien to help me sleep. Usually when I take Ambien I take half a pill. I took a full one this time. I slept until noon the next day.

But before closing, I want to talk about cargo shorts. The kind with lots of pockets. Maybe it shouts out we are dorks or tourists or whatever, but I like my cargo shorts. The more pockets and the deeper the better. In my lower left pocket I keep cash ready to be exchanged, a copy of my passport and extra baht bills. In the right lower pocket I will my condoms, sometimes a bottle of lube and often a pair of ear plugs. In my upper left I will have my spending cash, hotel key card, reading glasses and occasionally my credit card. My upper right will have change for the baht bus and sometimes tip money. If I have a 5th pocket, I will find something to fill it. If I were to wear my regular pants, where will I store everything? I don't want to use my rear pocket as it is easily pick-pocketed. So there. Power mongerors wear cargo shorts. Haha.

[Syzygies]

I got to the hotel, looked in the mirror and noted I am getting jowls. Diminished sex drive and now jowls? Why do I come to Thailand and eat at Subway, Sizzler and Burger King?

But before closing, I want to talk about cargo shorts. The kind with lots of pockets. Maybe it shouts out we are dorks or tourists or whatever, but I like my cargo shorts. The more pockets and the deeper the better. In my lower left pocket I keep cash ready to be exchanged, a copy of my passport and extra baht bills. In the right lower pocket I will my condoms, sometimes a bottle of lube and often a pair of ear plugs. In my upper left I will have my spending cash, hotel key card, reading glasses and occasionally my credit card. My upper right will have change for the baht bus and sometimes tip money. If I have a 5th pocket, I will find something to fill it. If I were to wear my regular pants, where will I store everything? I don't want to use my rear pocket as it is easily pick-pocketed. So there. Power mongerors wear cargo shorts. Haha.Yes why eat such bloting food when good Thai food is cheap? I made the decision to switch to a low carbohydrates, high fibre diet about 4 years ago, and managed to loose 14 kilos at one stage (over 6 months - half a kilo lost per week) with heavy food control, now back up 5 kilos (meaning still down 9 kilos), but the jowls went away. The back aches went away. I stopped huffing and puffing after sex and not a ball of sweat. I avoid rice or noodles, French fries, potatoes, and low amounts of bread and other useless carbs. Pizza very infrequently. High vegetable Thai food without rice can be good. Grilled chicken, pork, or fish, fine, not fattening. I take soup dishes with no noodles often. Important to control total food quantities. Eat small and don't eat a lot before bed. I certainly would never go in a Burger King or any fast food equivalent. Sizzler would not interest me. Use Thai street food. Sometimes take a good quality burger, no fries. No high sugar drinks. Thai orange juice is no good. Too much sugar. I ask street vendors to make the food with no sugar.

Can't agree about the shorts. I wear surfie shorts around the house, and consider shorts for Songkran or during rainy downpours, but shorts is not great attire for looking a class above the rif raf. Thais don't go to monger venues wearing shorts, and shirts must have at least short sleaves (no armpit exposure). I see all the Indians wearing shorts, but I am not going to copy them. Japanese are largely not wearing shorts (in BKK). They dress fairly well. I stop short of shoes and socks unless venue requires it. However Pattaya is a different world, so I guess it is anything goes there. Perhaps others will say there is absolutely no dress code in Pattaya. You can do what you like.

I do agree that you cannot risk putting anything of value in back pocket. I almost never use a back pocket. Even a packet of condoms in back pocket, will be too obvious. Everyone would guess what that shape might be. LOL.

Maybe I should start a thread for non-fattening delicious flavoursome Thai food dishes, LOL. Don't do like the Thais and eats lots of rice and noodles, french fries, and slurpies, unless you are a skinny guy. Our western metabolism can be making us quite fat on that stuff.

[Valoulou]

Hi guys,

I will be coming to Pattaya from the 6th to the 8th of May next back to BKK. I am much more used to Bangkok and to its massage parlor such a tulip, bamboo, mango, snow white and so forth for outcall.

Would you have some similar places (with website) in Pattaya where I could book for outcall? I am not a huge fan of Devil's den though.

Thanks.

[FL Hawk]

Yes why eat such bloting food when good Thai food is cheap?

Can't agree about the shorts. Well said about the food. And I only hit the salad bar at Sizzler! When I am with my Thai GF next week, she will make me only eat Thai food. You are totally correct about white rice.

I see no problem with cargo shorts on Soi 6 or BR. Regular pants and shirt in a disco, when the girls are all dressed up, is reasonable.

[FL Hawk]

Day 6 (Friday).

Slept until 6 but woke a bit groggy. Got up and walked down to Subway for breakfast. Lunch. Whatever. It rained a little while there, but stopped. The weather here really hasn't been to bad. I was still feeling kind of yucky but just as I entered my room, my body decided to quickly clear out some more intestinal space, so lucky the bathroom was near the entry door! I certainly needed that to happen and that bloaty feeling is finally gone. Hopefully I will now be feeling better and can get back to business.

I finally sat down to post a report and do some more writing. Feeling better now I hope my reports will more forthcoming, and I was actually surprised when I realized it was about 5 PM and I had not left my room. I had some, uh, laundry to be done so I gathered it up and took it to my favorite Soi 13/1 laundromat, then headed for 6 again. Little did I know I was about to receive a major surprise.

The sky was still cloudy and the air actually a little on the cool side (relatively). Arriving at Soi 6 in the mid-afternoon, I had not walked too far and at a bar near the entrance off Second Road (sorry, I failed to take the name down – maybe I will get it later) as I am walking down a pretty girl comes out through the glass door. She looks "different" in some way, not just slender, nice legs, very pretty face, small breast, but a tad exotic. She does not look like the typical Thai nor, for that matter, talk like one. A pleasant voice with very good English – not the high pitched voice so many have, and not the deep voice to make me think she is a LB – and even the accent is different. I end up going inside with her and after some of her charm has worked on me I buy her a drink. She is very entertaining to talk to and apparent well read. She says she is attending business school and is doing this to help fund her education. So, very charming and pleasant and I am thinking I want to take her upstairs. We talk some more and get into philosophy and then she starts to ask what I like for sex. She is speaking of me as a client now, and she wants to learn what I want and expect. I say I like oral and vaginal, then she says how she can certainly help me with the oral part. Um, what about the vaginal?

You see it now, right? Yep, this charming girl I am getting hot for is a freaking dude! Ahhhhhhhghhh! Nooooo, I can tell a LB from a real girl! I know the tricks! This is NOT a dude! I ask her to clarify, and she confirms she is a dude and she wants to help me get out of my state of oppression. No no no. I look at her, him, and say you can't be a boy. But she is. OMG.

Actually, I am stunned and we keep talking. I am quite clam and remain engaged by this charming person who totally fooled me. Most LBs are taller, obnoxious, sound like dudes, but this guy (who does not seem to be contemplating surgery) has being a girl down pat. I said I wanted a girl but man, if I was ever going to let a dude suck my Johnson, it would be him. I left the place – which does have real girls – feeling somewhat enlightened, but wow. Her name was Lilly, and she left me impressed but no way will I be back.

Leaving, and now a bit insecure with my own manliness, when I passed Noi and she called me over, I went to her. I would have preferred to have chosen a new girl to be with, but I remembered it was no longer to be about quantity but quality, and Noi was becoming like a GF to me in the performance department. So she called and I answered and she took me in her arms and, long story short, we went upstairs and she gave another OMG GFE performance. We were drenched in sweat and I staggered back into the street.

What to do now after that killer performance? Right, find another bar and have a repeat performance! And that, with a bit of luck, is what I did. Passing by <beep it, I failed to write the bar's name down – I need to try to figure it out where a cute spinner called me over. Maybe not exactly what I am looking for, but not bad. So I go over, but then she says she is busy and hands me off to this other girl. Argh, bait and switch. But I look at the girl and she is not bad, actually. Not a spinner, but young and with a cute face and acceptable body, so OK, I agree. Turns out she is quite new, like newbie May from yesterday. Her English is very bad, and I begin to fear a repeat with the star fish like May.

The girl, Mook, starts to warm up after I buy her a drink, but I had to call another girl over to explain to her what I wanted to drink and that I was offering her a LD. She actually touched and gave some awkward kisses which actually was turning me on a bit. I am guessing her age was early 20's. Body overall was maybe a 7, cute face and smile, and I think she was pretty nervous. But then, I may be 40 years older than her, so I can understand her wanting to throw up. I would not normally be looking for a 7, but when they are young like this and have a cute smile, I can open up my standards. When I asked about bar fining her, she didn't understand, but I got that sorted out and she seem a tad happy about it. So up we go. In the room she seems super shy about even undressing and going for a shower. At first I thought I would shower alone but she came in and all was fine. Dried off, I got on the bed and when she comes over, this quite girl turns into a beast! She loves kissing and touching and I am quite amazed at her level of activity. This is what I had hoped for with May! Much is awkward as you might expect for a newby, but totally 180 degrees different than May. She was clean shaven and allowed FIV, and she was totally wet, and she stayed wet for practically the entire session as it turned out. I rarely go down on these girls, but I did with her and she tasted fine and I think that opened her up to more things. Her BBBJ was well done and, when she mounted me, she was a dynamo. She tried all she could do to get me to come but I failed. She really did seem sorry. I was too. Wish I could remember the name of that bar.

So, Mook, maybe a 7 on looks, left me barely able to walk, but still, happy despite no release through no fault of her own. It was only around 9 PM, but I went to WS for dinner. After dinner and aimless walking around, I went to the ice cream place (across from Frog). I was outside, sitting down, enjoying my cup of chocolate chip and watching the people, when a little kid walks over to me and grabs my cupt and runs off next door. He was cute and I thought the workers the club there would make him return it. One of the guys does take him by the hand and brings him over, for what I thought would be to hand it band and / or apologize, but no, the guy only makes him wai me! Maybe they thought I gave the rugrat the ice cream! They whole thing was actually hilarious, though adults really can't let children go up and steal stuff and be rewarded. Whatever, I am cool with it and it would be a hit on YouTube.

Bee walked by but left me alone. Strange, but when she does that I am a little sad. When she stops, I am agitated. Sigh.

WS was pretty busy and, being Friday night, the Chinese were out in full force. I did a walk through iBar, but have decided that is a place for younger folks. I went into Red Car / Walking Street around 1 AM and it was doing well. I walked around a few time. The geeky girl was there. I looked at her and smiled, but got nothing back. No sign of Pat or her friends. There was a woman standing alone who didn't look too bad and I sent over and, since there was some open space next to her, said Hello,. She was older, looking maybe mid to late 30's, but with nice and body. Over the course of many minutes we gradually eye each other and start into some conversation, which is rough due to the sound volume and the language barrier. But before long, a waiter comes over and she orders a beer and, since I am right next to her, the guy looks at me and I order my Bangkok Breeze. I pay for both when he returns and I am in. She has a younger, hot friend come over and they talk for a while and I see a guy approach her who quickly got rejected. I wonder about this place and the people who come here. I saw this happen the day before – girl reject guy, and why have I gotten lucky? Both dudes were younger and probably better looking, and I am in the one in cargo shorts, so why me and not them? I guess it is all a game of odds. This girl, who also happened to be named Pat, was there and I went over. I guess I met her requirements. Not sure if my friend's friend was actually looking for a dude or just wanted to hang out. But I do seem to have good luck at this place.

Anyway, I took a motor bike at 150 baht back to the hotel. In the light of the bathroom I could better tell Pat had packed the facial makeup on so maybe she was in her 40's, but her skin was ultra soft, legs slender and body, while not a spinner's body, was slender without much sagging or drooping. Sex was ok. Some kissing and touching, but she was mainly there to get money and not show a good time. No money had been discussed, but she did ask if I wanted LT or ST. I said ST, and that is what I got. At the end I gave her 1500 which she didn't argue with. That is more than I gave Mook a few hours earlier who turned in a night and day's better performance.

Pat left at about 3:30 AM and I went to bed soon after. I still haven't really checked out the agogo's much, which I probably need to do if I want to find that 10. Maybe I best do that Sunday when things are at least a little slower. I know I have options here other than WS, BR and Soi 6, so IDK.

[FL Hawk]

(Trying to catch up guys).

Day 7 (Saturday).

This was a lazy day. I seem to be getting a cold, as I have a tiny bit of post nasal drip going on causing a bit of coughing and my bones / muscles are a little sore (well, I wonder why.). I went out for a legit massage and that helped. Still, I need some pain medicine for a returning headache. Other than lunch, I stay inside until late to work on these reports and rest. I catch a late afternoon nap, then I remember I am checking out of this hotel tomorrow to move to the Flipper House on Soi 7. I have never stayed there before. Not sure I will like the change in location, as Soi 13 is right in the middle of things, but we shall find out! Lots of nice reviews about Flipper House, and I have very limited experience on Soi 7, so it may turn out great. But since I also forgot to go pick up some laundry on 13/1 today, and the checkout time is noon tomorrow, I decide I won't stay out late tonight and to simply venture down to Soi 6 for a single or maybe double, then come back, sleep and get up early enough to have time to do what I will need to do.

And I pretty much stuck with my plan. The night traffic on Second Road is clogged. I can walk faster than the traffic for a while, but after a while I board a stopped baht bus and, eventually, get to Soi 6. It is around 8 pm and some clubs have lots of people and others have many more girls than men. But I am not seeing a lot of hot available girls until, way down the road, I see this Issan beauty, Bai, at Red Point Bar looks at me. She is hot. Tiny body, dark exotic looks and incredibly sexy eyes. Inside, she acts a bit mechanical, but I don't care if I can possess that body for a few minutes. We talk briefly, but the English is not that good so, heck, may as well go upstairs and let our bodies talkShe is not entirely perfect – she may have a spare pound in her stomach, and her breasts could be larger – but seeing her undressing with the knowledge I was going to hit that beauty had me semi-erect before the shower.

I was here at this bar last here and I had praised the upstairs rooms to you guys. For those who don't like taking a shower in a room the size of a small closet, Red Point is the place to go. The rooms were remodeled not too long ago and the shower / bathrooms are large, very nicely tiled, clean, modern and at least as good as my bathroom at the Dynasty. Most homes don't have a bathroom that is as nice as these are.

In bed, Bai gives a decent BBBJ, though her hair hides her face for most of the activity and I have to keep brushing it aside. She uses lube with the condom so when she slid on from the girl-on-top position, it went right in, even though she is quite tight (no obvious signs of being a mommy). Yes, she was somewhat mechanical, but she knew what a man wants and she provided it. All positions were open – missionary, spoon, doggie and cowgirl. I thought for a while I could come with her, if only by shear willpower of her sexy face. I failed, but she kept trying to get me there until I told her she could stop. Too much rubbing of a man's Johnson can make it sore. But man, if I could only go bare with this beauty, but I didn't ask and she didn't offer. There was some kissing with her and like I said, all positions were open and she tried, but this was no GFE. I have no complaints about her performance however. I may see her again just because I hope she might open up a bit on a second visit and to assure myself she really was as hot as I am saying. I have found that I might sometimes overrate a woman's appearance on a first visit, then surprise myself the next time that she really wasn't as hot as I first thought. Strange.

After that, I went back to see Ploy. She is the one who lost her American BF and is putting herself through college and working here to support her family. She was out front but I didn't see her but when I approached and had to ask for her, but she was right there looking at me in the front of the not-too-busy bar smiling. I guess she had been wondering if I would return. She said I missed her birthday party. Huh, you didn't invite me to your party I said. She replied she did and that she got really hung over. Oh, wait, I replied, when we met you told me you were hung over, so you had your party before I ever met you! Well, whatever. Due to her good English it was easy to talk to her, though the music in there was loud and obnoxious, by my standards. Even she didn't like it. She said she had not eaten all day, wanting to eat noodles but the food cart she likes had not come through, and if she has a hankering for a particular food she will not eat anything else until she gets what she wants. She pointed out the jean shorts she was wearing that were loose, saying they fit tight when she first arrived at the bar.

I wanted to go upstairs with her but she said we couldn't as the bar shut the rooms down due to concerns about the police. Huh? I didn't mention I had just come from an upstairs encounter, but maybe that bar isn't paying their bribe fee or something and feels they would be selected in a raid. She said they had to use ST hotels, but while she was smiling and seemingly enjoyed talking to me, and I did buy her a LD, I did not get a sense that she was wanting me to BF her. Maybe she is too shy, IDK. I have to remember that this is not a typical bar girl, so I might be misreading clues and simply thinking she really doesn't want to be with a dude more than twice her age. She did say Sunday would be her last day. She is looking forward to returning to Bangkok and school. Maybe, after I check into the new hotel, I will go back to inquire about LT with her. She is fun to talk to, so we will see. But, I got no vibe from her she wanted to go out ST with me, so I left it at that. She may have been a little surprised when I then stood up and said I needed to go. I gave her 100 for her time, but left a little curious about her feelings for me. I mean, duh, I am a customer, but I got a tiny sense that maybe she didn't want sex with me but not because I am ugly or repulsive, but maybe because I remind her of her BF somehow? I know, that makes no sense. So, IDK. I will come back tomorrow and see.

I left, a bit confused. And a bit disappointed. She is very attractive to me. Nothing else happened later that night other than I ate, then I return to my hotel at about midnight, did some packing and went to bed. So, while I tried for two, I ended up being with only one girl today.

[Franga]

A few days ago I took a beach road freelancer that I had taken almost exactly 10 years ago in 2007. She still looked pretty much the same, and hadn't stacked on the kilos like some of the other chicks who I used to take 10 yrs ago.

As a price comparison, in 2007 I paid 500 baht for her ST services. Now in 2017 she quoted me 800 baht. I ended up trying to bargain a 700 baht price with her but she stood firm on her 800 baht price point. As she was on my bucket list to try this trip I agreed to her price and we headed off to the same ST room we used 10 yrs ago. The ST room charges 120 baht. Back in 2007 it charged 100 baht.

Doing some calculations, and even though pussy prices are rounded to the nearest 100 baht, the price for this girls services has increased by 4. 8% per annum over the last 10 years. Now looking at the CPI (consumer price index) data for Thailand, the CPI has increased by 2% per annum in the last 10 yrs. However when I look at food price inflation data, this has increased by 4. 3% per annum.

So I would suggest that the prices of chicks on BR are subject to the normal forces of economic supply and demand and that they would track food price inflation? Luckily, food price inflation in Thailand has been trending down over the last few yrs and is now slightly negative, so my expectation is that pussy price inflation will not be an issue in the coming yrs?

[Crocodilexp]

A few days ago I took a beach road freelancer that I had taken almost exactly 10 years ago in 2007. She still looked pretty much the same, and hadn't stacked on the kilos like some of the other chicks who I used to take 10 yrs ago.

As a price comparison, in 2007 I paid 500 baht for her ST services. Now in 2017 she quoted me 800 baht. I ended up trying to bargain a 700 baht price with her but she stood firm on her 800 baht price point.

the price for this girls services has increased by 4. 8% per annum over the last 10 years. Nice analysis. One issue you didn't account for is age. Not sure what the age of your girl was, but let's assume 25 in 2007. At 25, a hooker is a hot commodity, especially if just starting out. At 35, not nearly as much, even if she aged reasonably well (most do not). A decade is huge in hooker years: at 10 clients a weeks on average, that's roughly 5,000 dicks (almost the length of Beach Road, in dicks).

Prices should reflect that, so in effect, paying 500 baht for a hot 25 year old upstart vs then 800 for a high-mileage 35 year-old hooker implies price increase a bit higher than 300 baht. A better comparison would be two hookers of roughly the same age and attractiveness level.

[ParkVille]

2 huge problems I saw with both price and supply in pattaya on my recent trip this March and April:

1. Fewer attractive girls than 5 years ago, so even if you have the money, they just physically aren't present to be bar-fined (girls getting out of the game, sponsored, going to Singapore / Korea, getting married to punters, visiting punters for a few months). Take Siren Bar complex, the one right in front of walking st, hasn't been an attractive girl working there for years. Used to be you would run into decent talent before you even could get inside Walking Street.

2. Since the supply of attractive girls is lower, the price has increased by 3 x-4 x. 5 years ago, I was paying 23 year olds in walking street beer bars 1000 for longtime, and 400 BF. Now, they want 2500 for ST and LT probably about 4000, if they even want that. I was able to get one to do semi-LT for 3000, and BF was 1500 before midnight and 600 after midnight. So before, I could get an attractive bargirl starting as early as 8 pm until 5 am for 1500 baht, for 9 hours. Now, I am paying 4000 baht for "LT" from midnight until 4 AM. That's 4 hours. So 5 years ago, it was 166 baht per hour. Now it's 555 baht / hour (but it's 900 baht an hour if you barfine from midnight until 5am). That's a 3. 34 increase in price over 5 years!

Bottom line is, Pattaya is no longer the place where you can get a new hot 21 year old girlfriend everynight, all-night for $45. It's still decent if you are going after women 28-33 though. Given that it's price is nearing the west, it really just seems more of a fullmoon party holiday destination and less of a sex holiday destination.

[Franga]

Nice analysis. One issue you didn't account for is age. Not sure what the age of your girl was, but let's assume 25 in 2007. At 25, a hooker is a hot commodity, especially if just starting out. At 35, not nearly as much, even if she aged reasonably well (most do not). A decade is huge in hooker years: at 10 clients a weeks on average, that's roughly 5,000 dicks (almost the length of Beach Road, in dicks).

Prices should reflect that, so in effect, paying 500 baht for a hot 25 year old upstart vs then 800 for a high-mileage 35 year-old hooker implies price increase a bit higher than 300 baht. A better comparison would be two hookers of roughly the same age and attractiveness level.I didn't specifically mention age in my post, but just made the observation that she looked virtually the same from 10 yrs ago, so I think that the price comparison is valid. She was not a hot 25 yr old in 2007, just a "middle of the Road" girl with a pretty face and a friendly good attitude. She was 30 yrs back then and is now 40.

There is another girl that I used to take a lot in 2007, who still stands on BR in 2017. Back then she was IMO the hottest chick there with beautiful pert little tits. She used to work in the gogo bars prior. But now she has put on a lot of kilos, her face is more rounded and her tits are quite large and looks like she has had a boob job. I certainly wouldn't go with her now, and agree that she would be worth less now, like you say.

[Valoulou]

Hi guys,

I will be coming to Pattaya from the 6th to the 8th of May next back to BKK. I am much more used to Bangkok and to its massage parlor such a tulip, bamboo, mango, snow white and so forth for outcall.

Would you have some similar places (with website) in Pattaya where I could book for outcall? I am not a huge fan of Devil's den though.

Thanks.Anyone has seen my message above haha?

Would love some advices on some good Pattaya massage places such as Bamboo, Mango, Snowhite and so forth.

Thanks a lot.

[Mr Enternational]

Day 6 (Friday).
Arriving at Soi 6 in the mid-afternoon, I had not walked too far and at a bar near the entrance off Second RoadIt is the second or third bar on the right that has LB mixed in with women.

[Banana Boi]

From Second Road, on the right hand side (North side), the first bar is Thai Rose (?) which can have some cute little gems from time to time. Unfortunately, the young ones seem more interested in Line and Facebook than getting customers. The second bar is Good Fellas. I have been here many times. Never seen a ladyboy in there. The 3rd bar is the dark bar not sure of its name. Never seen anyone interesting in that place and no ladyboys stood out to me. To be fair, I'm usually running away from my Good Fellas girl so kind of miss the 3rd bar on the right on Soi 6.

[Christian G]

From Second Road, on the right hand side (North side), the first bar is Thai Rose (?) which can have some cute little gems from time to time. Unfortunately, the young ones seem more interested in Line and Facebook than getting customers. The second bar is Good Fellas. I have been here many times. Never seen a ladyboy in there. The 3rd bar is the dark bar not sure of its name. Never seen anyone interesting in that place and no ladyboys stood out to me. To be fair, I'm usually running away from my Good Fellas girl so kind of miss the 3rd bar on the right on Soi 6.After Good Fellas, you find 3Angeles Bar and is mixed bar girls and ladyboys.

[Banana Boi]

Given that it's price is nearing the west, it really just seems more of a fullmoon party holiday destination and less of a sex holiday destination.Not sure which Westernized country you're referring to that are close to Pattaya pricing. I'm interested for sure since I travel a lot. Was just looking at Germany tonight and 10 hour overnight with a top end German girl is 1000 euro (37,500 baht?).

[Axiata]

Not sure which Westernized country you're referring to that are close to Pattaya pricing. I'm interested for sure since I travel a lot. Was just looking at Germany tonight and 10 hour overnight with a top end German girl is 1000 euro (37,500 baht?).Agree BB. Paid $1500 in Aussie for 5 hours with a model. Yes a model but that equates to about 39000 baht. Pattaya is way cheaper than western pussy. Even one hour with an average working girl in Aussie is $250 plus or about 6500 baht. Give me Asian pussy price anytime.

Happy Hunting.

[David 2]

Anyone has seen my message above haha?

Would love some advices on some good Pattaya massage places such as Bamboo, Mango, Snowhite and so forth.

Thanks a lot.We encourage you to RTFF and contribute to it just like the rest of us do.

[Member #4591]

Anyone has seen my message above haha?

Would love some advices on some good Pattaya massage places such as Bamboo, Mango, Snowhite and so forth.

Thanks a lot.Everything you need to know is right here in this thread. Happy reading!

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3710-Pattaya-Massage-Parlors

[Speed2487]

Hey guys,

I read the thread but I am bit confuse about few things, there's too much details on this thread and searching something specific is difficult to be honest:

1. I booked my flights and Hotel in Pattaya which is at a walking distance from Walking Street. No confusion here. I will be spending 4 nights at Pattaya before heading to Bangkok to spend few hours before catching a return flight at night. So, in that few hours I would like to visit No Hand Massage. Mitu. Any details on it and service levels?

2. I researched (RTFF) and decided the 3 soapies that I would like to visit in Pattaya. Sabai Dee, Honey 2 and Rasputin. I will be going there in off season, not sure how good would be the line up. Any reviews on number of girls available in off season (August), plus what would be the best time in a day to visit the Soapies?

3. I would like to spend some time at Walking Street Go Go Bars drinking, which I found many are favorites for most of the people. I am interested in picking up freelancers than the go-go girls, so please any recommendations for places where freelancers are in good numbers? Certainly don't want to wait till early morning when all bars are getting closed and go-go girls are becoming freelancers. Also, what's the current tip amount that should be paid to these girls?

4. A friend of mine when visited Pattaya with a tourist group, he went to a Russian show which had full nudity and audiences were involved in some act, they would get a lap dance and all. He don't remember the name of the show / place, however he remember opposite to this place was something which had a number 69 in name, any clue about this place? Googled a lot but could not find it. It was not Alcazar.

5. Would like to hear more on Devil's den experiences along with the rates if possible.

[Old New Guy]

She has a younger, hot friend come over and they talk for a while and I see a guy approach her who quickly got rejected. I wonder about this place and the people who come here. I saw this happen the day before girl reject guy, and why have I gotten lucky? Both dudes were younger and probably better looking, and I am in the one in cargo shorts, so why me and not them?Good reports. Your nick is familiar, I may have seen you posting in a different section?

Anyway, refusals do happen, especially with FLs. Getting an young hottie in eg iBar is a tough proposition for an older guy. Some are for no apparent good reason but normally there is some plain logic behind. The other guy may have been too quick in offering a low price, or asking for anal, CIM etc. Some girls just don't want young guys because they last longer, so much more effort, or they don't like the nationality. One just has to move on, even if it leave you uncomfortable especially as you may have to run into the same hot piece of ass again night after night.

[Amit S]

Hey guys,

I read the thread but I am bit confuse about few things, there's too much details on this thread and searching something specific is difficult to be honest:

1. I booked my flights and Hotel in Pattaya which is at a walking distance from Walking Street. No confusion here. I will be spending 4 nights at Pattaya before heading to Bangkok to spend few hours before catching a return flight at night. So, in that few hours I would like to visit No Hand Massage. Mitu. Any details on it and service levels?

2. I researched (RTFF) and decided the 3 soapies that I would like to visit in Pattaya. Sabai Dee, Honey 2 and Rasputin. I will be going there in off season, not sure how good would be the line up. Any reviews on number of girls available in off season (August), plus what would be the best time in a day to visit the Soapies?

3. I would like to spend some time at Walking Street Go Go Bars drinking, which I found many are favorites for most of the people..IMO.

2. Sabai dee has the biggest line up, Rasputin has beautiful girls. Most of the MPs open around mid afternoon. Recommend to visit in the evening, say around 7 pm when the girls to choose from are max in numbers.

3. GoGo is not my turf. Beach road and iBar for FL.

4. ask cabdriver about the 69 show. Would recommend 69 show (in the building with 69 sign) over Russian show if you want to watch live sex. Russian show is more of a strips show.

P.S. Both these shows are flooded with Indians.

5. Devil's den has their website with all the required info.

[FL Hawk]

Day 7 (Saturday).

This was a lazy day. I seem to be getting a cold, as I have a tiny bit of post nasal drip going on causing a bit of coughing and my bones / muscles are a little sore (well, I wonder why.). I went out for a legit massage and that helped. Still, I need some pain medicine for a returning headache. Other than lunch, I stay inside until late to work on these reports and rest. I catch a late afternoon nap, then I remember I am checking out of this hotel tomorrow to move to the Flipper House on Soi 7. I have never stayed there before. Not sure I will like the change in location, as Soi 13 is right in the middle of things, but we shall find out! Lots of nice reviews about Flipper House, and I have very limited experience on Soi 7, so it may turn out great. But since I also forgot to go pick up some laundry on 13/1 today, and the checkout time is noon tomorrow, I decide I won't stay out late tonight and to simply venture down to Soi 6 for a single or maybe double, then come back, sleep and get up early enough to have time to do what I will need to do.

And I pretty much stuck with my plan. The night traffic on Second Road is clogged. I can walk faster than the traffic for a while, but after a while I board a stopped baht bus and, eventually, get to Soi 6. It is around 8 pm and some clubs have lots of people and others have many more girls than men. But I am not seeing a lot of hot available girls until, way down the road, I see this Issan beauty, Bai, at Red Point Bar lookingat me. She is hot. Tiny body, dark exotic looks and incredibly sexy eyes. Inside, she acts a bit mechanical, but I don't care if I can possess that body for a few minutes. We talk briefly, but the English is not that good so, heck, may as well go upstairs and let our bodies talk. She is not entirely perfect – she may have a spare pound in her stomach, and her breasts could be larger – but seeing her undressing with the knowledge I was going to hit that beauty had me semi-erect before the shower.

I was here at this bar last here and I had praised the upstairs rooms to you guys. For those who don't like taking a shower in a room the size of a small closet, Red Point is the place to go. The rooms were remodeled not too long ago and the shower / bathrooms are large, very nicely tiled, clean, modern and at least as good as my bathroom at the Dynasty. Most homes don't have a bathroom that is as nice as these are.

In bed, Bai gives a decent BBBJ, though her hair hides her face for most of the activity and I have to keep brushing it aside. She uses lube with the condom so when she slid on from the girl-on-top position, it went right in, even though she is quite tight (no obvious signs of being a mommy). Yes, she was somewhat mechanical, but she knew what a man wants and she provided it. All positions were open – missionary, spoon, doggie and cowgirl. I thought for a while I could come with her, if only by shear willpower of her sexy face. I failed, but she kept trying to get me there until I told her she could stop. Too much rubbing of a man's Johnson can make it sore. There was some kissing with her and like I said, all positions were open and she tried, but this was no GFE. I have no complaints about her performance however. I may see her again just because I hope she might open up a bit on a second visit and to assure myself she really was as hot as I am saying. I have found that I might sometimes overrate a woman's appearance on a first visit, then surprise myself the next time that she really wasn't as hot as I first thought. Strange.

After that, I went back to see Ploy. She is the one who lost her American BF and is putting herself through college and working here to support her family. Great, classy girl who doesn't deserve to have to be doing this. She was out front but I didn't see her but when I approached and had to ask for her, but she was right there looking at me in the front of the not-too-busy bar smiling at me. I guess she had been wondering if I would return. She said I missed her birthday party. Huh, you didn't invite me to your party I said. She replied she did and that she got really hung over. Oh, wait, I replied, when we first met you told me you were hung over, so you had your party before I ever met you! Well, whatever. Due to her good English it was easy to talk to her, though the music in there was loud and obnoxious, by my standards. Even she didn't like it. She said she had not eaten all day, wanting to eat noodles but the food cart she likes had not come through, and if she has a hankering for a particular food she will not eat anything else until she gets what she wants. She pointed out the jean shorts she was wearing that were loose, saying they fit tight when she first arrived at the bar.

I wanted to go upstairs with her but she said we couldn't as the bar shut the rooms down due to concerns about the police. Huh? I didn't mention I had just come from an upstairs encounter, but maybe that bar isn't paying their bribe fee or something and feels they would be selected in a raid. She said they had to use ST hotels, but while she was smiling and seemingly enjoyed talking to me, and I did buy her a LD, I did not get a sense that she was wanting me to BF her. Maybe she is too shy, IDK. I have to remember that this is not a typical bar girl, so I might be misreading clues and simply thinking she really doesn't want to be with a dude more than twice her age. She did say Sunday would be her last day. She is looking forward to returning to Bangkok and school. Maybe, after I check into the new hotel, I will go back to inquire about LT with her. She is fun to talk to, so we will see. She may have been a little surprised when I then stood up and said I needed to go. I gave her 100 for her time, but left a little curious about her feelings for me. I mean, duh, I am a customer, but she didn't seem disappointed at all I didn't ask to take her to a ST hotel. IDK. I will come back tomorrow and see.

I left, a bit confused. And a bit disappointed. She is very attractive to me. Nothing else happened later that night other than I ate, then I return to my hotel at about midnight, did some packing and went to bed. So, while I tried for two, I ended up being with only one girl today.

[FL Hawk]

Day 8 (Sunday).

I decided to try a soapie again. I may have swore after the last time to never do one again, but I had some sore muscles and thought a hot bath would be nice and, well, I still love the concept of a hot Asian girl rubbing her naked body up and down on mine. But of course, the reality of the experience varies considerably from what you see in the Japanese porn videos.

I went up to Sabai Dee and they actually had a halfway decent selection of girls. I chose one with light skin, relatively slender, short hair, nice smile and apparently a set of the's. I forgot her number, but her name was Fern. Cost was 2400 TB for 90 minutes (which you never get). The selection made, I paid the fee and she came over to escort me upstairs. Drinks you feel compelled to buy were 300 for the both of us, and that included the tip. She ran the bath water and got things ready, then finally came the bath. She cleaned me well and in a pleasant manner, then it was time for the body slide. She actually did better than past slides, but the dream and fantasy is while she is sliding away on top of you that you can actually slip inside her. Of course, that isn't going to happen, and with all the soap, there is not going to be any oral activity. I mean, it is fun, but over-rated. After that, you are rinsed and dried then time for boom boom. Unlike my previous 2 Pattaya soapies, Fern actually did a BBBJ. She did well and, as I said, she was quite pleasant, but also like my previous providers, it was all mechanical. Fern's body was nice, but the the's were fake and felt cold. While 90 minutes is promised, I was out within an hour. Anyway, Fern probably did as well as any soapie provider I have been with, to me, most Soi 6 girls provide a better experience for my money.

I then headed down to Soi 6 and ended up with Ploy to see her on her last day. She seemed happy to see me and we sat down with drinks to talk. She looked really hot. She said she was actually sad to be leaving. Huh? I guess she will miss her friends, but I wonder that if despite hating her job, she will miss the money. One of her friends walked by and said something. Ploy told she asked how many short times she had had thus far, and she told me she had 3. It was not even dark yet and it was a Sunday and she already screwed 3 guys? How many does she average a day, 6? 8? That is a lot of money! I can understand hating your job but when you collect the money, you may think that your job may not be so bad afterall!

Anyway, I was horny for her and it was clear the upstairs was in business there, but then she turned me down when I asked! She reminded me I had not finished with her and she was saying something about that hurt her too much emotionally. I said it wasn't her fault and that I was sorry. She said she did like me and asked me to understand why she would not have sex with me anymore. Well, I wasn't going to whine about it or beg. I just said it didn't really matter if I understood or not, but that I was sad and disappointed. But no use sticking around wasting her time or more time. I considered asking for her Line ID, but then what for? I decided a clean break here and now was best. I got up, said goodbye and wished her well. Maybe I got turned down because I was still wearing cargo shorts?

I continued walking down the street and walked by a girl looking at me and I passed her by as being too old, not a cutie and not what I wanted after looking forward to Ploy. Then she called my name. Huh? Turns out she was Jaeb and I was in front of Smoke and Kisses. I didn't recognize her, and she was a bit miffed. I let her pull me in and we had an upstairs experience similar to before, and I got the completion Ploy didn't think she could get from me.

But in reading my original report on Jeab, I said her body was 7 and face a 9. Well, I may have over-rated her face at least. And in some of my reporting I occasionally seem to over-rate girls. I try to be fair and not over-rate. I mean, I have read reports where guys will super rate a girl and I see her and I think she is ugly. Or they will say she has a great body and I see fat. I said in my Jaeb report she was one I would see again, and I did, but I would have passed her by as not good enough had she not called my name!

Anyway, after I left Jaeb my horniness was over and that ended my mongering for the day. I did take the return trip to explore the Soi 7 area. I had never been there during the night and I found it quite interesting with tons of girls, a few of them quite attractive. Another day.

[FL Hawk]

Day 9 (Monday).

I am waking up too early. The Dynasty rooms I have had were excellent at blocking out the daylight, but not the Flipper House in my south-facing mini-suite. When the light comes in, I wake up. The Flipper does have a decent breakfast, and ants like it too. I had to walk past several tables to find one that not full of ants. Even the room had some bugs. Little quarter-inch things I see at night plus a few German cockroaches. I am not too squeamish, but never saw bugs at the Dynasty and, no, a few bugs won't make me not come back here. I don't like the lack of cabinetry with no drawers to put stuff away in. That is a bummer. The bathroom is nice, with a tub / shower combination, but no shower curtain or anyway to contain the water when showering. The whole room can get wet, and I knell down when showering. And it is noisy here at night. The AC drowns a lot of it out so if you are tired you will be able to sleep. I travel with a noise machine, and I am using it here to also help drown out the noise every further, but I think I could sleep ok even without it. But the room is bright and I can't sleep past 8 AM. I did bring some shades I got on the airplane. Just have to did them out. Despite this criticism, I would stay here again.

Anyway, this was a sort of laid back mongering day. I hit up Soi 6 later in the afternoon and it was not particularly busy or populated by particularly hot girls. I ended up with Noi again. I could tell she was tired but she provided another GFE. No release for me and when I give up we rolled on our sides and rested.

I left Noi and walked on towards the beach. I saw Jaeb and I confirmed the spelling of her name. She wanted me to go inside, but I declined. I really found no girl that interested me, so I headed back to the hotel. It was right at sunset so I grabbed my camera and got some shots, and got hustled a lot on Soi 7. Some attractive ladies, but I kept walking. I was hungry so I stepped into the Subway on Soi 8. There was an older lady working, plus an attractive younger (maybe 30) woman. So I am eating, then I hear some nervous laughing and the two are looking at me and they approach me. The pretty one says the other woman wants to know my name and where I am from. Ummmmm. She is wondering if my name in Tony. Ummmmm, no. Why? The younger woman then leaves (dern it) and the older woman gives me the story of knowing someone who looks like me and was from the same country and same state. The woman doesn't necessarily flirt, but she spends a while talking and invites me back. Ok.

Later I head up to Soi 6 again. I know, I know. I had BR just down the street, and a number of hot women right outside the hotel, but I like Soi 6 and the convenience. Again, upon arrival, it was not all that busy. BB Deah is out and sees me and waves. I wave but don't see the attractive Deah or the other hot girl so I keep walking. I think she is getting disappointed I haven't been back over. Nice girl, but she is not what I am looking for now. I get practically the end of the soi before I see someone I think I might like, at La La Land. Lot is a young cutie. Not a spinner, but still quite nice and she appears to be very young (maybe 20?) with a decent legs and body and, possibly, a nice set of breasts. Hard to tell. We go inside but her English is horrific. With some help from others, I learn she is fresh from Issan, being there 7 days. Wow. She is fairly shy but she kisses a few times and sits up close to me and, after a while, I decide to try her out, not really sure what to expect.

It doesn't start out so well. She sends me off for a shower while she takes one alone. In the room, like with May, the towel stays on for too long, but when it comes off, oh my, she does indeed have a nice chest. Firm but with soft nipples surrounded by light tan,1.5" diameter areolas. Perfect for a petite Asian girl. She rubs the old Johnson to rock hardness, but she does little else. No BJ. I put on the condom and she is wet and open and I slide right in. It feels nice and I wonder if I will be able to release with her. But after a few minutes of her just lying there, she starts to dry out. I want to switch to doggie, and she starts to, then she points to her knee that shows scabs from an injury, so nope, we can't do that. (I had noted the injury earlier and am hardly upset she won't do doggy – don't want to rub off the scabs and bring blood and pain.) We do spoon for a bit but she continues to dry out. We switch back to missionary and I start to put spit on my Johnson for some lube, but her got wide and she said no. Ok. I tried entering her but she was now so dry it would hardly go. Well, enough of this. Bummer. I sometimes carry a small bottle of lube but not today and she didn't have anything with her, so I just rolled over on my side to rest. I am not sure if she understood, and I might have been able to enter her, but a woman does not feel good dry, and it has to hurt them, and the condom would have broken, then moral dilemmas, etc. Just better to cut my losses and put an end to it. I was not upset, really. Just getting to be inside this cutie was sufficient I guess.

I may start carrying that lube again and I might even go see her again. She was feeling pretty good at the start, and those breasts were really nice, so we will see. She is young and I think she was trying.

I returned to Soi 7 (strange how far apart Sois 6 and 7 are) and contemplated someone there, or even a BR FL, but I didn't.

Not the best mongering day, but I still have 5 mongering days left. I have yet to pick up a gogo girl or a BR FL girl. I have become a bit spoiled by Noi who aint't bad. Totally GFE now. Taking her LT might be interesting. If she can wash and style her hair and put on some decent makeup she would be really hot.

[Syzygies]

She actually did better than past slides, but the dream and fantasy is while she is sliding away on top of you that you can actually slip inside her. Of course, that isn't going to happen, and with all the soap, there is not going to be any oral activity. Some places use a special type of soap that has no taste or a gel, or even the Nuru seaweed gel. I have certainly had a 69 on the body slide mat / mattress, and the slip inside has been known to happen on rare occasions in the past (not currently), especially in the old days at Mona Lisa (BKK) and in the more modern day where I better not name the perpetrator or venue. LOL If you find a girl willing to BB, then is possible. I am not a guy asking for BB, so I don't know the percentages of girls willing to do it. I keep vowing to try starting to ask for BB just to find out how many are really willing, but forgot to make the serious survey. Eih Tooms should know. LOL.

At Poseidon a few years back, I did fuck a girl in the bath too. These things become less and less frequent in the modern day, but not 100% impossible.

So at least test the suds to see if they have any bad taste or not. Plenty of soapy girls provide BBBJ in the bath where there are also suds. So having a special not alkaline almost tasteless soap / gel is nice when they it.

[Lew Ashby]

Not sure which Westernized country you're referring to that are close to Pattaya pricing. I'm interested for sure since I travel a lot. Was just looking at Germany tonight and 10 hour overnight with a top end German girl is 1000 euro (37,500 baht?).+2 BB, having the itch for a spinner since returning to the west coast, I partook in a sexy one being advertised as Japanese. Rate: $260 for an hour. Service was great; got 2 pops, GFE, and the void was filled but I was definitely thinking about how much more that 260 dollars could buy me in Pattaya!

Another interesting tidbit: the girl was actually Thai! Said she was from Chang mai and I had a good laugh there. I got another Thai spinner after all, ha!

[Broxy]

Am enjoying reading your reports very much and looking forward tk my on trip to Patts in 3 weeks time. You mention Noi and ploy many many times but hardly ever which bars they work in, this would be much appreciated if you you can help.

Thanks Hawk and continue the good work 55555.

[Cool]

I made the mistake of propositioning ladies who appeals to Asian tastes. Girls that whet Asian mongers appetites have a different mentality. They know they're in demand and the spoils goes to the highest bidder. I went on Soi 6 with my friend who is 1 year younger than my mother and girls were asking if he was my dad and said upfront they want to be with me. I always take my time choosing girls but he was a serious shopper ready to lay down baht. He easily affords the monger lifestyle. I'm thinking their tired of him because he is a pump and dump volume guy. Any way the guy is a pro and found a new bed partner within 10 minutes. This never happened on Beach Rd with my older friends. A mute girl preferred my older friend but he camps out on the beach for 5 hrs. A day and like the 500 baht girls.


Good reports. Your nick is familiar, I may have seen you posting in a different section?

Anyway, refusals do happen, especially with FLs. Getting an young hottie in eg iBar is a tough proposition for an older guy. Some are for no apparent good reason but normally there is some plain logic behind. The other guy may have been too quick in offering a low price, or asking for anal, CIM etc. Some girls just don't want young guys because they last longer, so much more effort, or they don't like the nationality. One just has to move on, even if it leave you uncomfortable especially as you may have to run into the same hot piece of ass again night after night.

[Christian G]

5. Would like to hear more on Devil's den experiences along with the rates if possible.Rates are on their website http://devilsdenthailand.com/in-call.html IME the service is not as good as before but maybe could be a good start with 3 some for a Pattaya newbie.

[Speed2487]

Thanks for the reply.

But isn't Nuru and soapie same type of massage?


Rates are on their website http://devilsdenthailand.com/in-call.html IME the service is not as good as before but maybe could be a good start with 3 some for a Pattaya newbie.

[SamWise1]

Guys,

I was at Ibar first time. What's up with the 12 bottle beer they bring in bucket. I also saw people buying whole Glenlivet bottle. Do you have to buy all this beer to get the table there. Those were like 1500 on the menu? How much you guys spend on booze there before you hit some jackpot?

[Banana Boi]

I made the mistake of propositioning ladies who appeals to Asian tastes. Girls that whet Asian mongers appetites have a different mentality. They know they're in demand and the spoils goes to the highest bidder. I went on Soi 6 with my friend who is 1 year younger than my mother and girls were asking if he was my dad and said upfront they want to be with me. Just like some places are geared to Asians there are others places where Farang is King. Some Asian gogo bars would be Sensations, Baccara, Happy, Ninja. Some Farang gogo bars would be Sapphire, Windmill, WhatsUp, Skyfall, and most of LK Metro other than Ninja. Thermae and Thaniya Road in BKK are clearly Asian driven but places like Soi 6, soi 7, soi 8, Kinnaree, Soi Full Love Inn, beer bar complexes, iBar, Red Car, Beach Road, etc are clearly Farang based with girls suited more for Farang and likely preferring Farang over Japanese Korean Chinese.

[Christian G]

But isn't Nuru and soapie same type of massage?Nuru Is a fairly new service at Devils Den, I never tried. I always went for their classic service 90 min - 2 girls but I stop to go to DD years ago due to the worsening of the service IMO.

[Old New Guy]

I was at Ibar first time. What's up with the 12 bottle beer they bring in bucket. I also saw people buying whole Glenlivet bottle. Do you have to buy all this beer to get the table there. Those were like 1500 on the menu? How much you guys spend on booze there before you hit some jackpot?No, if there is a free table you can get it no matter what you'll order. But for a lone guy or guys it makes little sense getting a table, as it's not like the ladies will come to you (unless you're some Thai celebrity). Also what you spend there is totally irrelevant, you can go from grabbing a half empty bottle that someone has left, to buying the most expensive vodka and you will not impress anyone. If anything, the more you spend stupidly, the more likely some girl will try to get easy money from you too. Although in my experience many have common sense and will tell you that they don't care for booze beside the occasional San Mig. They want the money coming to them not the bar, with which they are unaffiliated.

[Old New Guy]

Beach Road, etc are clearly Farang based with girls suited more for FarangBeing honest, nowadays BR is mostly Indian playground. While other places cater to Middle Eastern, Russians, etc. But I think that once in a while it can be fun to shuffle the cards and venture around, even just to use a bit of sharp tongue if you're not well received.

[Mr Enternational]

No, if there is a free table you can get it no matter what you'll order. But for a lone guy or guys it makes little sense getting a table, as it's not like the ladies will come to you (unless you're some Thai celebrity).To me it makes plenty of sense to get a table or at least a chair. I do not want to stand up all night. I am the type that does not need chicks to come to me. I will grab them as they pass by or call them over to my table. Same as the last chick I encountered there grabbed me as I was walking by her table.

The people with all the booze are just trying to party. If you just want to find someone to fuck without all the partying and waiting then it is best to search out a chick that is alone or with only one other girl. To the original poster, there is no jackpot to hit. Most of the chicks in there are hookers, so the jackpot is when you pay them, not when you pay the club, as ONG was saying.

[Eszpresszo]

Being honest, nowadays BR is mostly Indian playground. While other places cater to Middle Eastern, Russians, etc. But I think that once in a while it can be fun to shuffle the cards and venture around, even just to use a bit of sharp tongue if you're not well received.What does it matter, though? I didn't notice any particular racial bias last December, but I wasn't checking out the racial makeup of the other punters, since the number of girls on the road seemed to vastly outnumber men on the two nights I visited. I figure a bunch of Indian guys trying to low ball the girls hard ( they are reputed to do), will just make them more excited about a polite and perfumed Westerner who is offering them a fair price. 800 baht for a sweet girl. What's not to like about that?

[Yuri B]

I am not sure or course but it feels that political correction took better of us even here. Every time I am searching for info to learn where and how to find younger girls (because for me this was a significant and frustrating effort), I can not find anything I could use so I decided to share what started working for me in case someone also could benefit but too politically correct to ask. I did not find a single post on the forum about this. So 2 things before I start. First, this is NOT post for immoral people looking for underaged. When I say young, I mean after the age of consent for either country: where I was born, where I live, and Thailand. Breaking that would be unacceptable moral discretion I (and all of us I have seen on this forum) would not accept. Two, I completely understand that these are my rules and they can work quite differently for other people; however, my personal belief is that following these rules will help anyone. Did I mention budget? Yeah, I always on the budget.

The problem statement. I like younger women, and always had trouble finding them. Many posts on this forum emphasize how experience maybe more important than youth or beauty. I respectfully disagree: if that were true, would you like a monkey? So the truth is somewhere in between, but for me, if a girl is not attractive (to me of course that is subjective), I would not do ST or LT; I always search for young gems, but more than 80% get hooked with 30+ yo and do have a great time, but this post is not about this. The problem statement here is to identify the best strategies to find young ladies (young is objective here for everyone's definition).

The difficulty and frustration. You go to Soi 6 and go 10 times from left to right and from right to left and see no one young enough. When you find someone you consider young, they start looking to a different direction letting me know, that I better stroll away. And just when the level of frustration is the highest to make thing worse, you see some gentlemen (who seems to be inferior to my fine qualities) goes away with a piece of art. Then I feel I am the only idiot in Pattaya, who can not find a young woman among thousands (hundreds of thousands, actually) young ladies every year are coming to this blessed city to earn money for them, their children, and their families. Wait, but how about Go-Gos, most girls there are quite young and many-many attractive, right? Not what I found. There are absolutely young and attractive among them, but first, they may reject LT. Second, they may reject me (or in the opposite order). And third, I may find out that I am not what they are looking for after I spent a fortune on their drinks. I can discuss in the similar fashion soppies, massage parlors, beer bars, and FLs. When I was going through all these places without a strategy, I ended up with mid-hooker-aged ladies, sometimes with bad and sometimes with decent experiences, but always frustrated in the process. Now, when I developed the rules for myself, things are much better. See if these rules might work for you and please comment, replace, and add.

Rule 1. Look when it is not dark, and not in the dark places (like many Go-Gos). There were many times I thought someone was beautiful, just to find out in the morning, that I would never pick her up in a day-light. There were a couple of times when I was horrified how I could end up with that person! And there was one embarrassing case when I left from Go-Go (BTW!) to the street and looked at my beauty again, and realized that would not bear to touch her. I immediately paid ST and let her back to the bar, but because the agreement was on LT (I only spent no more than 5 minutes outside of the club with her), she was not thrilled and neither was I as I paid BF+2 K for embarrassing myself. No more of that.

Rule #2. Always ask for age and let know that you would be looking at ID later. Looking at ID is essential: first not to get into moral dilemmas with an underaged. To me moral ramifications (never mind serious legal ones) are not worth to ignore. This rule can be called "do NOT listen to your dick's brains, use your upper ones". Second, you will learn if you can trust them and at the same time, you do not feel bad asking for it. And trust is very important if people share intimate moments with each other. BTW, I found in the last 2 times (maybe a coincidence, but I just came to Pattaya and only had to do this twice on this trip) the difference between what they said, and what ID said was 4 years: 29 instead of 25 and 34 instead of 29. BTW, for the record, still had great time with both of them.

Rule #3. Trust your dick. If you look at a girl and start wondering if she is really young but with a bad make up or maybe she is upset. Pass. Do not break your brains about it. Reason does not matter, in 4 times out of 5, your dick identifies young before your upper brain does, but it is your upper brain which will torture you with indecision.

Rule #4. Go fast and never lose hope. I really needed a massage the other day, and finally opted out on a 30 yo, smiling, nicely looking who really provided great GFE and all other services including massage. But once I entered the establishment, I saw that there were really young cuties serving other customers. They do exist, but because we choose them first, they spend way less time in-waiting than all others. This rule is also known as "mushroom-picking" I remember the times when I in early childhood in a different era and in a different country was waking up at 4:30 to leave the house at 5, and get to the train station by 5:30 and spent 2 hours on the train and from 7:30 to sunset together with my parents and friends collecting mushrooms. We were picking mushrooms the same time in the same forest, but some of us came out with many times more than others. I remember two different strategies. One go slowly and look carefully. Another go fast and stop when you found a beauty. Then look carefully, because where is one, then next to it maybe others. The second strategy always worked way better than the first and much less frustrating. So I am passing Soi 11 from second to 3rd street for massage parlos, and Soi 6 and 7 for beer bars, and Devil's Den's area Go-Gos with only one drink (or no drink) with fast pacing and so far have 100% success. One can ask how did I end up with 34 yo? For the record, I spent very happy 2 last days with her (2ST and 1 LT): face 7, body 5, GFE 10+. She just left for vacation, so sorry, can not recommend, unless you are here in a month. I ended up with Ja because I do not always look for young; sometimes, just someone's smile and pleasantness leaves me defenseless and in many cases (yesterday and the day before, as example) it paid out well.

Rule #5. Be ready for "a black swan" in order not to be disappointed. When you picked up young, you should be ready to keep your service expectations low. If she turns out to be a great provider, -- you should feel very lucky; if not, "as expected" and not vise versa. Now when I am typing these very words, a 20 yo beautiful creature sleeps in my bed (face 8, breasts 4, but figure (excl. Breasts) solid 8. 5 and only because she is short). She shocked me yesterday, after I was thrilled with her beauty and willingness to go out with me. I promised that I would treat her well and not make uncomfortable, listen to her wishes, dined her, etc. Was ready for the great night. But once we get back to my room, she all of the sudden asked me (told me, actually) if it is okay with me if we are not having sex tonight? WTF? I could not find anything better than ask, "Why?" after all this was the first time when such a thing happened to me I thought we were doing so well together. And she replied, "because she is in Pattaya only for 7 days, and before Pattaya only had sex with her husband, and for these 7 days she have been having sex way over 7 times (I am not surprised), and another sex act today will make her uncomfortable. " And if that was not shocking, her next statement was even more mind-boggling. She noticed that I was disappointed (no kidding, right?) she said that if I am not happy with her demands, then she can return back to her bar and ask her friend to go out with me. Somebody from us must be an idiot. Making long story short, I explained that I would not go with her friend but I will request BF back and make my best to upset her mama-san. Alternatively, I will be very gentle, etc. In a way more carrots and less stick, but OMG!

Good hunting, my friends!

[FL Hawk]

Day 10 (Tuesday) – Soi 6 Super Marathon.

I am feeling better, and that shows in my actions of today. While this may all sound exciting to some, at the end, I did too much. It was a dumb goal but, well, men do dumb things in Pattaya, don't we? What did I do? I had a Super Soi 6 Marathon of 5 women. My previous record was 4, and even that was dumb but, before I get too old or can no longer journey to this wonderful place, I thought it might be interesting to see how far I could go. My accomplishment is really nothing to brag about. All you need is some money and a blue or yellow pill and a supply of willing girls. Soi 6 has plenty of the latter. And, too, I certainly did not release with each girl, only one. This is a worthless accomplishment perhaps, but whatever. We don't come to Pattaya to accomplish worthwhile things. We tourists have a limited time. Each girl we are with reduces the NRE costs. Screw enough girls and the NRE approached zero, right?!

I won't go into a lot of details in many cases as some I simply forget. I might even get a few things mixed up, but I will try to be accurate.

First stop was at the Pump Station with Fern (not the Fern I saw previously). She was a spinner, dark, very pretty, but quite mechanical. The BF there was 400. She was really tight, was not a mommie, and for a basic lay, she was great. The place is being remodeled and has the best towels of anyplace. I wish I could remember more. I don't recall her being even semi-GFE, but she was quite cute and that can be enough at times.

Then Oi at the Pussy Club. I would have passed her by had I got a better look at her body, but her face was nice, and she had nice legs, so I went over. She was a little older, early 30's maybe, and while not chubby, overweight. I stuck with her as she was a sweet girl. BF was 350 here (all girls on Soi 6 I was with were 1000 for their time). She gave good service and really tried, and I may have been able to release with her, but I held back.

Then Bell at the Bunny Club. She was really attractive, and tall. She kind of reminded me of Brook Shields back in the day. Her hair was quite striking and when she came into the room after her solo shower, my jaw nearly dropped. Her face has some acne, and she has one child, but you couldn't tell it from her body. She had a nice set of semi-firm Bees which quite surprised me for her being a mommie. No signs of suckling that I could see, nor really any stretch marks. She loved to kiss, but was otherwise uninspiring. She rubbed my Johnson, but did little else. Like many, she started out super wet but dried out, but I had my lube this time. We did have a moment where we switched to doggie but she left me to find her hole on my own to enter her. Most girls will guide you in. I was trying to find the right hole, moving my Johnson up and down to find the right spot, then I found it but, oops, I was in the wrong one. She shrieked in pain as I entered her anus. I only entered an inch, and I felt bad and deeply apologized to her for doing so. I had not intended to do that, me not being a anal fan, but she was a good sport and after a bit was ready to resume. But in missionary, not doggie! I loved her soft, clean brown hair and long legs and could have released with her even with a condom I am sure, but I held back. Once I released, I knew the desire would likely be over to complete my quest.

I was tired and hungry so I headed back to the hotel for food and rest. I contemplated going to WS, perhaps first bringing back a BR FL girl then a high priced gogo girl. At the last minute, I instead decided to head out to Soi 6 to set my record, departing at between 8 to 9 PM. I first went by Full Moon to see if my Deah from a year ago was there. She was not, but big breasted Deah was there and she was disappointed I had not stopped back by since the previous Sunday. She grabbed my hand and pulled me in with those DD's staring at me. I decided go up with her, knowing I would get a semi-GFE. I could have released with her, but that would have meant only tying my record. She was sad, having previously stating she wanted to see me come after I failed our first time. I think BB would have been an option with her, but I resisted.

I left her and then walked by Noi. I have already been with Noi more times than ANY sex worker, but she is almost exactly like a GF now, so why not set my new record with her? Well, because I could probably find a cuter girl? But, Noi was cute enough and I knew she would be able to give me a great, GF-like release. The thing with repeating with the same girl is that the girl gets comfortable with you, and things do get better with Noi each time, and this time was no exception. She spent lots of time on the oral, and for a few minutes she took me fairly deep and really slow and it felt absolutely awesome. I almost thought I would come orally with her, but man did it feel nice. The rest of the experience was pure GFE and she seemed to really be getting off as well. It all ended nicely.

I gave a brief thought to going for 6, but my Johnson was feeling the wear and tear of the day. Several of the girls, in trying to get me off, were too rough on the HJ's. One of the girls had a pussy so tight it almost hurt. So, yeah, I have put my poor old Johnson through enough for one day. For maybe multiple days! So, passing up some cute girls, I returned to the hotel and rest and recover.

[FL Hawk]

Day 11 (Wednesday) – Day of Rest.

I did no mongering today. Yesterday took too much out of me. My Johnson is worn and demands some rest. Doing 5 girls was too much. I am getting less sleep at the Flipper House as I can't block the sun very well, and I am too lazy to dig out my sleeping mask. I will do that tonight. After today I will have just 3 days to monger before heading out to be with my virgin Thai GF. Will I finally break through that Kevlar hymen of hers this time? If / when I do, will I ever return to Pattaya?

But I have been doing some thinking. After moving to Soi 7 my venturing to WS has nearly stopped. The Flipper House seems populated with couples, not just dirty old men, and I feel more self conscious with the thought of bringing back a working girl here. I know, who cares, no one knows me here! And I am waking up early, as I said, and am tired by midnight. I don't even feel like going out, and the best time to get a disco girl is after 1 AM. I know, I can get a gogo girl anytime, and maybe tomorrow I will go do that. There are no 10's on Soi 6, but there might be a few on WS I can find.

[Speed2487]

Hi guys!

Any recommendations from TF App?

There's too much in that, most of the girls are ready for 1 k ST.

Sometimes too much option confuses one.

[Cool]

What does it matter, though? I didn't notice any particular racial bias last December, but I wasn't checking out the racial makeup of the other punters, since the number of girls on the road seemed to vastly outnumber men on the two nights I visited. I figure a bunch of Indian guys trying to low ball the girls hard ( they are reputed to do), will just make them more excited about a polite and perfumed Westerner who is offering them a fair price. 800 baht for a sweet girl. What's not to like about that?Some girls have a racial bias on BR. Not making eye contact is one of there tactics.

[Old New Guy]

And if that was not shocking, her next statement was even more mind-boggling. She noticed that I was disappointed (no kidding, right?) she said that if I am not happy with her demands, then she can return back to her bar and ask her friend to go out with me. Somebody from us must be an idiot. Making long story short, I explained that I would not go with her friend but I will request BF back and make my best to upset her mama-san. Alternatively, I will be very gentle, etc. In a way more carrots and less stick, but OMG!
And for the record, how that ended? I've never returned a girl in Thailand because I don't BF, but let many Fls go with taxi money. I returned girls on a couple of occasions in Vietnam. In Pattaya I returned a go-go girl on behalf of a friend while we were still walking, BF money came back on a tray in 1 minute for anyone to see. I think that being kind and caring may work with some girls but not with all. Some just behave for the moment (leaving the bar no matter their pussy conditions and summing up a BF) and think they can manipulate the customer without using hands. Which I guess in many cases they manage to do.

[Member #4591]

Got a huge suite booked for s great deal of 3,000 Baht at one of the LK brand hotels in Central Pattaya tomorrow. I guess this is considered low season but the hotel prices are dirt cheap. Anyways, my plan is to hang out at LK Metro or Skyfall on Walkig street on Saturday night. I will bar fine a cute and have fun in my suite. Saturday I plan to checkout at Noon and head over to Soi 6 to try two ladies over the course of the afternoon. I will report back on my findings at LK Metro. I don't hear too much about the bars there on the forum so I will try and report some significant info. Walking street will be my backup plan.

[Lefeu]

Not sure which Westernized country you're referring to that are close to Pattaya pricing. I'm interested for sure since I travel a lot. Was just looking at Germany tonight and 10 hour overnight with a top end German girl is 1000 euro (37,500 baht?).The FKKs in Germany have reasonable pricing. You pay an entrance fee, about 60 to 80 Euros, and each session is 50 Euros. The entrance fee entitles you to free food and free drinks, and you can stay as long as you want.

No need to pay 1000 Euros for a German girl, they have a reputation for lousy performance, confirmed by the gew German girls I saw.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I spend 4 night last week have a good time 5 girls 2 from beach Road got lucky on first night got a young one for 800 bht ST service is OK.

She is new in town, one girl in Soi 6 at full moon bar 1350 bht service is good, I went to Soi 6 on a Thursday selection is poor much better.

On Friday and pick up 2 FL from I Bar 2500 bht first one good GFE stay til morning the 2nd one have bad attitude with a hot slamming body.

Complain too damn much so I kick her out after one shots.

I did finally make it to Kinnaree pratnamak Soi 4 take a motorbike 100 bht.

From central Pattaya the Sunday roast buffet is OK, it was just too.

Dark in the bar and girl are below average don, t see why I need to barfined.

Here.

Fast Eddie 48.

[FL Hawk]

Day 12 (Thursday).

It is really hot today, but I head off to Soi 6 around 2:30. Banana Boy raved about Thai Rose, the first club on Soi 6 off 2nd street on the north side. I have noted girls there and, as he said, they often had their faces buried in their cell phones so I never considered them, as I tend to only go to girls who look and smile at me. There was one cutie out front, face in her phone, but I continued walking, wanting to take in the whole street before choosing someone. Deah waved from Full Moon. I walked over and she was dressed up today and looked pretty nice. She did not try to lure me in, knowing I was on a hunt, but letting me know she was there for me. I continued on and walked past Noi's bar really without knowing it. I have no idea if she saw me or not. I really wasn't seeing all that much I was interested in. I continued on and Jaeb was out and she called me over. She, too, was dressed up and with her makeup on, her face looked especially nice. She tried to get me to go in but I resisted.

I then circled back on Soi 6/1 back to the entrance and at Thai Rose there now 3 girls, including a really hot sweet young thing. I walked over, she looks up, and she asked if I wanted a drink so we went inside. She could not have been over 21 and was pretty close to downright beautiful. I sat down and while her English was horrible, who cares? She brought my drink and then promptly proceeded to leave me. I am sit there, no one else in the bar but the mamasan / bartender, feeling like a fool. Is the girl coming back? I look out through the curtained door and can see the girl is out front. I wait a little then decide she isn't coming back and I sure ain't going to sit inside alone like a fool. I get up, take my essentially full drink (a can on Coke Light, not even served with a glass of ice) and sit it on the bar and pay my bill. The mamasan / whatever seems a little surprised that am I leaving so soon but says nothing. I walk out and the girl, who is soooo hot, was over at a food cart buying something. I glance at her and head westward. I think she sees me leave and I think it was her who shouted out something, but not to me. My brain interpreted what she said as "why did you let him leave? But my understanding of Thai is hardly sufficient to understand anything more than "thank you". I have been handed off to a different girl, but never dumped on Soi 6. I can understand she considered me too old or otherwise undesirable and didn't want to be with me, so whatever. Not going to let it upset me.

I then went few bars down to Mod Bar. (I met to identify the bar with Lilly the LB, but keep forgetting.) I went over to say Hi to this dark-skinned spinner who looked really young. We went inside and she said she was 21 and had been in town for just 1 week. She had poor Engligh and though she was touching and rubbing my rubbing my legs and arms, I was not developing any feelings with her. Her face, while pretty, was not exactly sexy, and I was having doubts. Several times I thought of asking her to go upstairs, and several times I thought of just walking off as I was not sensing we would have that great of a time. Some of that was because she admitted to having a kid. But, I decided to go on and ask her upstairs, but then she said due to police raids we would have to go to a ST hotel, a 5 minute walk away. But the BF was 300 and her rate was 1000. Well, I didn't want to have to go to a ST hotel, so I used that as an excuse to listen to my brain and cancel the deal. She did seem disappointed, but I gave her 100 for her time and that satisfied her.

I proceeded on to the Ruby Club and met Amm, a light-skinned Issan girl who was cute in that girl-next-door sort of way. Nice body, great legs and pretty face and hair. Her English was not good but I learned she was 27 and had a child. The bar was busy but she stayed with me and within 10 minutes she asked if I wanted to go with her. Ummmm, ok. ST or LT? I don't get asked that question too often, but I said ST would be fine for now. BF was 300 and her ST rate was 1000. We went upstairs and the room had been recently remodeled and was nice. She showered me and I got to look at her naked body. Breasts were very small, but she had a nice figure with no obvious signs of childbirth. In bed, she wanted to know if I like smoke (BJ), and I laughed and asked what man didn't, but would she first just lie down with me. She did. I touched her and she stroked me to hardness. She was in no obvious hurry and seemed to simply take the latest direction I offered. When I asked for smoke, she smiled and proceeded with a pretty good one. I was surprised, actually, as I thought it would be mechanical, but she did good. And she kept going, switching things around. She would take about half of me in, then she would lick the head, then do other little things. I was impressed. I finally had to stop her and ask for a condom. She put it on and climbed on top. I have to say some of these Asian girls with children remain tight, and she was no exception. We did several positions and I was about to believe I would be able to release with Anm. I got soooo close, but failed. Had she been a little more active I might have gotten there, but while sweet and accommodating, she pretty much just laid there, though she at least smiled. She was concerned I was not happy when I pulled out. From her viewpoint, she had done everything I had asked, or was able to ask. I just tried to keep it simple and say I was too old. No use trying to explain how I can rarely release into a condom or that she needed to do more touching and stuff. She was a sweet girl and I would probably see her again if I was going to be here longer.

My Johnson was still a little sore from the marathon, and not really finding anyone else I wanted to be with on Soi 6 at that time, I went back to the hotel. I enjoyed a tasty burrito at the Mexican place there on Soi 7, then returned to the hotel to try to decide how I would spend the evening. It has been days since I have been to WS, should I go? Should I look for a FL on BR? Go back to Soi 6? Visit an agogo? Well, I was involved with some other things and before I knew it the time was 10:30. I went down Soi 7 and Soi 8 looking, not really being all that impressed, but I let this sort of cute spinner pull me in to some bar I can't remember. Great figure and legs. She is sort of pretty and as soon as she sits me at the bar almost immediately after I order my drink she hits me up for one too. Well, I am getting a better look at her now, and I don't like being immediately hit up. I look around and see several obvious LBs there. Hmmmm. I look at her and her face is, well, pretty but different. Do her hands appear to be larger than a normal girls? No sure. But she is petite and those legs. The voice also seems to be just a tad off. Not high pitched, but not low pitched or odd sounding. So, is this a girl or not? I tend to think she is a she, but alarms bells are going off and even if she is a she, I don't think I will enjoy looking at the face so much banging her now that I study it. I decline to buy her a drink. I kind of ignore her after that and soon she gets the hint and bugs off. She was probably a girl, and I could have asked, but the face that at first appeared cute to me was quickly losing its' attractiveness, so I did the right thing.

I head back towards my hotel, and at the place just west of the Flipper House, next to a massage place, a pretty girl outside calls me over. I am certain she is a real girl. Really nice legs, fairly slender with a nice face, I go over and let her take me inside. It is sort of a sports par with a huge TV screen showing a soccer game. We sit down and I order my soda and we talk a little. Her English is poor but we can talk a bit. I buy her a drink then she drags out one of those games that I should know the name of, and where these girls always beat me, but I guess I am getting better and I win a few. Then, after maybe a dozen games she gets up, goes to the back (I assume to the toilet), then she goes outside and, well, leaves me hanging! Huh? Well, ok. I got used, though I did enjoy the time. I pay the bill and leave. As I pass by she smiles like nothing is wrong. I guess she is a coyote, there to lure guys in and when I didn't buy more drinks she just up and left me. Ok, fine. I was going to ask her to go with me, but I guess she wasn't that type of girl.

I simply decide to call it a night. I am wearing down, and being unable to sleep past 8 AM, I am tired. Sigh. So I return to my room, shower, watch some news, and go to bed. I will only have two more mongering days now. Time is running out.

[FL Hawk]

Day 13 (Friday).

My next to last mongering day. I am ready to leave I think. I think 10 days might be the ideal time to stay here, but everyone is different. Are you guys getting tired of my reports? Sex multiple times a day, day after day, loses some of its fun. It becomes works. You feel you have to go out and get laid often because of all the money you spent to get here and that in a few more days it will be over and you will go back home to bitchy, fat western women, and you will start to dream of that return trip back here. And as I commented on, hours and hours of actual intercourse and sucking takes a toll on one's Johnson. I have heard a few comments from other attesting to this. One guy freaked he had some disease but, no, just too much sex with condoms with insufficient lube.

Anyway, only two women today which, actually, is a good number. On Soi 6, I saw a cutie out front at Good Fellas. Her name was Kat and, OMG, I am forgetting things less than 20 later. She was semi-dark, pretty, and I am losing it here. Like me, she likes cats, and I had a good time with her but I really don't remember much. Sheesh. How many of us can barely remember anything at all about a girl we had sex with the day before? I think I had a good time!

I left and proceeded down the street and Noi called me over. She was dressed in a tight pants suit that she looked good in. Her hair was down and washed and she looked pretty good, but her mouth looked different. She has braces! When did she get braces. Yesterday? We sat and touched and stuff for a long while, and while she is practically a GFE now, I felt I didn't want her right then. So I said I had to leave and would be back, and I tipped her well for her time. I continued walking to the west and Pa at Miss be-haven called out to me. She was slightly miffed I didn't remember her but, well, it has been a week or so. I seem to remember having a good time with her, though I just then passed her by without being overly impressed. But, she is practically a spinner so I go in and see wants to skip the drinks and head upstairs, so fine. She is cute, but she had the slightly droopy breasts. Sex was fine, she is tight and all, but nothing great and I leave and return to the hotel.

On the way back, I see there is some sort of food festival along BR. At the hotel I run up and grab my camera and head back right before sunset to take pictures. Some attractive Thai news lady was there interviewing someone. It was all pretty neat and tons of people were out. There was also some sort of event and VIP dinner.

After my own dinner, I returned to my hotel, then went out to wander around Soi 7 and 8 again. There are some nice women here, I suppose, but I partook of nothing. Coming back to the hotel I walked by Kung, the presumed coyote near the hotel who dumped me two days earlier. She was all smiles and called me over. I went and she grabbed my hand and asked where I was going. I said to my hotel and she asked if she could go with me. Huh? I said you stood me up the other day, but I don't think she understood. But fool me once, shame of you, so I declined.

I thought of returning to Soi 6 and Noi, but I didn't. I should see her Saturday and say goodbye, but I hate goodbyes. I will figure it out tomorrow.

So that concluded my mongering day. Two ladies, but I suppose you can tell I am wearing down.

[Banana Boi]

Thanks FL for TOFTT at Thai Rose. That really sucks about the girl. I guess I'm different than you, likely not in a good way. In a circumstance like that I would have said something to the mamasan expecting to get my lady drink money back. I don't care about the money but I do want to express my displeasure. I guess it's better she did what she did rather than you having a shit session upstairs with her.

[Yuri B]

And for the record, how that ended? I never had to return the girl because we compromised. I did not get all I wanted in the evening, but in the morning all demands were removed. I paid only 2 K instead of 2. 5-3 K as agreed; she did not behaved as agreed and she knew it and she accepted 2 K with gratitude (or at least without complains). But this is what I think was going on. Our communication in 90% was via phone apps translation. And she felt some pain in the lower stomach area and that scared her a lot. So she was afraid that she might have gotten something from previous customers. As she was on her jobs for only 7 days, anything spooks her. I was too tired to fight my mind and physically and return her at 2 AM (or about that time); plus I might have put her in trouble for the reasons behind her control -- in any way, I felt other things we did were satisfying somewhat. When she woke up she felt better, so no demands. In the morning (as from the moment I took her) she was giving me real GFE, and I asked for her to stay one more day with me -- to which she refused and promptly left at 10 as agreed: go figure.

[Old New Guy]

FL, you did very well I think, always listening to the 6th sense. I'm sure I had been reading your good reports on a previous occasion.

It has been ages since I stopped doing detailed reports but I should add my grain of intel here even if in a short form. 1st lady at Lucifer (which is totally OK I'd say), around 30, slim with short hair, loves to dance, she even brought me under the spotlight! Overall looks 6 1/2, attitude 7 (she did not counted pops, but did a runner anyway), sex drive a full 8! Have lost the number but will look for her again.

Lek also from Lucifer, is an old acquaintance already. Always friendly and available, small frame with silicon, unfortunately she's weak in bed and not attractive. Definitely the last time for me.

Last one. Surasee from I disco where she was standing by the bar in the corner alone. Petite and flexible with a bit of beer belly, pretty enough with great long black hair, doesn't smoke, no tattoos likes to dance and party to death, very friendly and easy to laugh. We did 2 LTs (actually it was most of the day including sightseeing). Very good English, zero bullshit, she's actually very intelligent and aware of things, likes to go out at night, very good and active in bed, the kind of girl that really deserves to be treated well. However after two nights I wanted to take time for me, which honestly hasn't brought me much except a lot of club hopping.

I gave all these ladies 2 K with no negotiation, which this trip I don't want to make if possible, at the same time declined 2 K ST 1 pop from a sexy tight body at Insomnia, one of the best looking small sized ones. There are really few of these so as you spot a decent one you better be quick.

[Christian G]

It is really hot today, but I head off to Soi 6 around 2:30. Banana Boy raved about Thai Rose, the first club on Soi 6 off 2nd street on the north side. I have noted girls there and, as he said, they often had their faces buried in their cell phones so I never considered them, as I tend to only go to girls who look and smile at me. Agree, I always avoid all the girls are too busy with their phone.


I walked over, she looks up, and she asked if I wanted a drink so we went inside. She could not have been over 21 and was pretty close to downright beautiful. I sat down and while her English was horrible, who cares? She brought my drink and then promptly proceeded to leave me. I am sit there, no one else in the bar but the mamasan / bartender, feeling like a fool. Is the girl coming back? I look out through the curtained door and can see the girl is out front. I wait a little then decide she isn't coming back and I sure ain't going to sit inside alone like a fool. I get up, take my essentially full drink (a can on Coke Light, not even served with a glass of ice) and sit it on the bar and pay my bill. .


Thanks FL for TOFTT at Thai Rose. That really sucks about the girl. I guess I'm different than you, likely not in a good way. In a circumstance like that I would have said something to the mamasan expecting to get my lady drink money back. Lady drink money back? FL Hawk don't wrote that she order a LD and leave, he said she gave him the coke and leave.

[Banana Boi]

Lady drink money back? FL Hawk don't wrote that she order a LD and leave, he said she gave him the coke and leave.Sorry I misread it. Then it makes more sense that the girl left, albeit quickly. She may have interpreted that not getting a lady drink may have meant you weren't interested in her. Thai logic.

[Christian G]

Sorry I misread it. Then it makes more sense that the girl left, albeit quickly. She may have interpreted that not getting a lady drink may have meant you weren't interested in her. Thai logic.I think some young thai girls have need to learn how to take care their customer. Pity the mamasan and old school girls don't teach the new generation.

[Allover]

I won't barfine from anyplace that has both ladies and ladyboys. I really wish bars wouldn't hire both. Great reports as always FL Hawk.

[Syzygies]

Agree, I always avoid all the girls are too busy with their phone.
I disagree. I recently took a Soapy girl whose head was down fiddling with a phone. She was just great. Definite repeat prospect. Best one for some time.

What does fiddling with the phone indicate? Nothing much at all. Just that she was bored previously sitting with nothing to do. Could be her mother just texted a message to her.

I am opposite. I avoid girls that look wildly keen in an exaggerated way. I prefer a more natural non fake non actress personality. Sometimes I move around to get a chance to see a girl from a different angle, instead of front on. This is defeated by the girl if her head follows me. So I prefer to be studying the girl while she is not making googoo eyes at me, so I can see her normal types of looks.

It's a different thing though if when signalling interest to a girl, that she then refuses to look at you further, or tries to hide. So you sit with her and if she is still showing complete disinterest, like looking away or not talking at all, that is no-go sign for me.

[Christian G]

I disagree. I recently took a Soapy girl whose head was down fiddling with a phone. She was just great. Definite repeat prospect. Best one for some time.

What does fiddling with the phone indicate? Nothing much at all. Just that she was bored previously sitting with nothing to do. Well, you talking about soapy, while we were talking about soi6 which are two different environments IMO. In soi6 normally the girls call you and invite you to the bar, if the girl just sit on the stool and seems busy with her smartpone (play, chat, look FB) sure I keep walking and don't stop to talk with her.

[Sunlover2]

Day 13 (Friday).

My next to last mongering day. I am ready to leave I think. I think 10 days might be the ideal time to stay here, but everyone is different. Are you guys getting tired of my reports? Sex multiple times a day, day after day, loses some of its fun. It becomes works. You feel you have to go out and get laid often because of all the money you spent to get here and that in a few more days it will be over and you will go back home to bitchy, fat western women, and you will start to dream of that return trip back here. And as I commented on, hours and hours of actual intercourse and sucking takes a toll on one's Johnson. I have heard a few comments from other attesting to this. One guy freaked he had some disease but, no, just too much sex with condoms with insufficient lube.I think we have all experienced that beast of burden wall at some point or another. I like to take a short break, and then change up the punting routine. The break on through moment will come soon enough 555.

SL.

[ParkVille]

I am opposite. I avoid girls that look wildly keen in an exaggerated way.Yeah I had a horrible session at Sabai Dee in Pattaya. The girl was giving obvious signs of interest. She made the "I'll blow your mind" hand / lip-reading gesture. Seemed very keen / perky. But in the room she: spent almost no time doing foreplay, tried to jerk me off to completion on the soapy, then said I was too big (she was far from tight) and she could only do missionary and I'm sure there were some other starfish-like qualities with her. Also she had a cunty attitude the entire time and then asked for a tip at the end. Never going back there again as they have some service landmines I rather not navigate.

[Speed2487]

Which one is better to spend time?

Soi 6 or Walking Street?

[LoverG]

Hi,

Can you please shed some light on the name of the hotel and how you made the reservation?

I am looking at standard sites like agoda / booking but not finding any great deals. My trip is in mid June and the rates I am getting are around 85-90 $ a day. Baraquda is the one I am zeroing in on at the moment but any insights would be greatly appreciated. My budget is around a $100 bucks a day.

Cheers.


Got a huge suite booked for s great deal of 3,000 Baht at one of the LK brand hotels in Central Pattaya tomorrow. I guess this is considered low season but the hotel prices are dirt cheap. Anyways, my plan is to hang out at LK Metro or Skyfall on Walkig street on Saturday night. I will bar fine a cute and have fun in my suite. Saturday I plan to checkout at Noon and head over to Soi 6 to try two ladies over the course of the afternoon. I will report back on my findings at LK Metro. I don't hear too much about the bars there on the forum so I will try and report some significant info. Walking street will be my backup plan.

[Old New Guy]

Can you please shed some light on the name of the hotel and how you made the reservation?
Keep the Hotel talk in: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels.

[Mr Enternational]

Yeah I had a horrible session at Sabai Dee in Pattaya. The girl was giving obvious signs of interest. She made the "I'll blow your mind" hand / lip-reading gesture. Seemed very keen / perky. But in the roomYes. Definitely obvious signs of being interested in 2200 baht. An empty wagon makes the most noise.

[LoverG]

Sorry, I will going forward.


Keep the Hotel talk in: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels.

[ParkVille]

Which one is better to spend time?

Soi 6 or Walking Street?Your bank account will say Soi 6. Depending on what you like, and that is subjective, I would say better to try both out. You can start with sio 6 early and Walking opens as early as 7:30 in some (few gogos) but doesn't really start until 8:30-9:30.

[WildHawk]

I have got an urgent request and am improperly posting here, where there is more traffic: I am near booking a hotel in Phuket and wonder if anyone knows whether the Avista Hidewaway (Sofitel MGallery) near Patong is GF (shame on me for the intrusion).

On to the report: Ah, the rush of being back in Pattaya after an absence of about two months! Even as I begin my five days in Thailand I am already wistful knowing that it may be a year, or years, before I can figure out a way to scam my way back. The "Thailand again?" is raising eyebrows, damnit.

So I have checked in to the Baraquda, which owing to the usual Thai logic, has rewarded my repeat business with a crappier room and a minibar with fewer amenities. Nevertheless, the place suits a purpose. Its proximity to LK Metro was nice last night. Owing to my cluelessness, I had never been to that area for agogos and found the talent certainly matching the Walking Street ones. Prices, however, are roughly similar, so there is no distinct advantage. The names of the places escape at this morning hour, but I visited Touch and Champagne, the latter where I barfined a girl named Nid, early 20's, a reddish-haired spinner. By the light of day her face would rate a 6-7, but that unblemished little body rocked my world. I believe I was simply tired from the airport / flight by about 10. (Initial plan was to get a foot massage and sleep along Road 2, hit LK Metro and then to Walking Street to see whether the hot lingerie dancer was still at Skyfall. But you know how things work out with the little head working its way into the plans.) The barfine was 800 baht, with a quote of 2 K ST /4 K LT. I suggested that Nid and I decide in the room whether it would be ST or LT. She thought it humourous that I'd use the "Eeeessss up to yoooo" with her.

Back in the room it was immediate business, good GFE and deep kissing. We laid on the bed for a few minutes, played like we were high school kids in a heavy petting session. Went down for a quick taste. All was good. So off to the shower it was for both of us, a good lather and rinse.

Nid couldn't get enough DATY, though the session was more of my giving and her taking, but as it's something I dig, so much the better. There was not one pussy-eating position that escaped our routine. I worked two digits into her snatch as I suckled her, driving her wild. I did not bother to ask whether she came, but I suspect it was a multiple for her. The wide smile afterward seemed to answer that.

It was a great session, though a little more reciprocity on her part would have been kind; had to basically stick my dick in her mouth. Thankfully, she was as pliant as most Isaan girls, smoking being a regional speciality, and once she started going it was great. Went for MISH, and I simply could not hold back as we went at it doggy, with her looking into the floor to ceiling mirror (thanks Baraquda! By then we had agreed to LT (that being she would stay through morning / breakfast.) She slept in the bed nude, we cuddled nicely, yet the sleep would have been more restful -- for the both of us -- separate. About 7 am, semi-awake but caressing her beautiful body stirred the little guy. I feared ruining her mood but began sucking her nipples and going down on her again. She seemed to welcome the gesture, if nothing else that her obligation (the morning session) would be fulfilled earlier than later. This is where expectations might have been managed earlier (or perhaps not, owing to her poor English): I suspect the present definition of LT is two pops. However, I went at it at 7 am Thinking I might eke out another one before all was said and done, to at least improve the value).

I went down on her but had no intention of repeating the evening's chiropractic neck-breaking session (she really enjoyed riding my face), so I put the wrapper on and hit MISH and doggy. As I had missed out on one of my favorite positions, cowgirl, I directed her to give a little head, which she did with the quality of a Miele vacuum (goofy comparison of the day, and no, I have not tried such a device). With her then astride in cowgirl, it occurred to me that the Isaan agogo girls I have enjoyed seemed to be challenged with this particular position. They love to grind deeply, rather than riding as you'd see in porn. This gives way to fear of the condom coming off, and this was true as Nid worked to get it in deeply. Nice work. I finished the second fantastic mission in MISH.

We showered, and as she grabbed her clothing I convinced her to get two more hours of sleep with me, that we would get breakfast afterward. So, about 90 minutes later we awakened. I could have made an attempt for a third session, but with my desire waning put the baht in her purse and sent her on her way. (My experience is that the hotel breakfast buffets hold little appeal for the girls, and saving me USD 12 hardly broke my heart.).

[CharleyTwins]

Hi,

Sorry if this is the wrong thread to post this in, but anyone know of any pharmacies in Pattaya selling the vitamin V?

Thanks.

[Breadman]

Hi,

Sorry if this is the wrong thread to post this in, but anyone know of any pharmacies in Pattaya selling the vitamin V?

Thanks.Yeah, when you walk out of your hotel take a right. It's on the right hand side a ways down.

[Member #4591]

Hi,

Can you please shed some light on the name of the hotel and how you made the reservation?

I am looking at standard sites like agoda / booking but not finding any great deals. My trip is in mid June and the rates I am getting are around 85-90 $ a day. Baraquda is the one I am zeroing in on at the moment but any insights would be greatly appreciated. My budget is around a $100 bucks a day.

Cheers.I stayed at LK Renaissance. I used booking dot com to reserve my hotel. It was as I said 3,000 Baht which is about 82 USD, the same as you are getting on Agoada. In fact, this hotel also advertises on there. The room was huge, with 1 bedroom, kitchen, living room, study, and bathroom. 2 large screen tvs and very fancy decoration. I'm not sure what is wrong with what you are not finding but it's easy as far as I am concerned.

[Member #4591]

Headed to Pattaya on Saturday by taxi from Sukhumvit road. The price was 1,500 Baht plus the tolls. It took about 2 hours and the driver took me right to the door of my hotel.

I stayed at LK Renaissance just off of 2nd road on Soi Diana, 2 minutes from Soi LK Metro and Soi Bukow. The rate was 3,000 Baht booked from booking dot com. It was a large suite with a living room, kitchen, study, and bathroom. A lot of fancy decorations and 2 big screen tvs. Low season is great. Hotel is GF and they always ask for the lady's ID card.

As I stated, I wanted to check out LK Metro. Th bars there are as follows:

Bachelor Club Agogo bar.

Champagne Agogo bar.

Crystal Club Agogo bar.

Destiny Agogo bar.

Gold Club Agogo.

Kaos Agogo bar.

Kiss Agogo bar.

Lady Love Agogo bar.

Ninja agogo bar.

Office Agogo bar.

Pandoras Agogo bar.

Paradise Agogo bar.

Queen Club Agogo bar.

Showgirls Agogo bar.

Sugar Sugar Agogo bar.

Touch Agogo bar.

I visited a good number of them but can only remember some points about a few. Ninja Agogo clearly caters to Japanese customers but the talent is very bad with very few beautiful ladies. Big disappointment. The office Agogo also the same. Just a few ladies not even worth looking at. Clearly in my eyes, the one with the best talent was Bachelor club Agogo. All the ladies were all natural and young. I visited most of the rest but it all became a big blur after. Here's what happened. The first one I stayed at for a beer was Bachelor Club Agogo bar. The talent was excellent. Most ladies with all natural bodies. I spotted a 20 year cutie and asked the server to go and get her. Then it started again with this ladydrink question. Telling me I must buy her a drink and very rude behaviour. I'm asking myself, who in their right mind would invite a lady over and not buy her a drink? Ridiculous! Eventually she came over and sat with me. She's ordered a coke. We were having a pleasant conversation and I was about to order more drinks and then she got up and left saying she would be back after her dance. She was very cute with natural see cups and a very nice ass and no baby. I was just about to buy some shots and bar fine her. Instead I paid for the 2 drinks and left. All along the side there were other ladies sitting playing their phones. It was like they were only aloud to dance and sit. Very crazy for a bar with such great talent.

Next after looking in the Office and some others, I settled into Paradise Agogo. Saw two all natural A cup spinners and invited one over for a drink. Funny but had the same deal about ladydrinks again. Must be a new trend. We started chatting and all was good. I motioned to the other girl to come over as well. I wanted to buy a bunch of shots for the three of us and see where that would take me. Either a duel lady barfine or choosing one out of the two. However the second girl just looked at me with a black stare. I asked the server to bring her over and there was no answer. Finally talked to the manager and he tried but alas no luck. Who knows what the hell was going on. He gave me a story about her having another customer but there was none to be found. At this point I paid and left. I was beginning to think there was something wrong with me. In Bangkok I normally have no issues with the ladies in the Gogos, very strange. I went into another and sat down forgetting the name but at this point I was already done so after one beer, I left for walking street.

Walking street was a whole different story. I went into about 6 places but the all the names evade me now, I remember that in most places I could not keep the girls off me. All wanted to sit with me and drink and have me take them out. Skyfall being the most noteable and I almost pulled the trigger with a girl names Pui from Changrai. Alas with all the Agogo drama recently, I decided to go next door to the big group of beer bars. To my surprise, there were many hot girls in every bar. A few laps back and forth and I settled down in one. There was a very hot girl called Nana. We immediately hit it off. I spent about 4,000 on drinks plus 1,000 barfine. We left the bar about 10:00 PM to drink at Insomnia a few doors door. A holidaying German couple joined us from the bar. To make a long story short, these two were swingers and I was fooling around with this German girl and my Thai lady while the German guy just watched for the whole night. They asked to come to my hotel but I'm really not into this so we declined. My lady was ok with fooling around in the bar but no further. We left together and went back to my hotel just the two of us.

In my room we stripped down and took advantage of the Jaquizzi. We were in there for a good 2 hours from 2-4 AM fooling around. She gave a great BBJ in there and we screwed a little. Back in the bedroom the sex was great. Multiple positions and a real GFE. The best part was the finish in doggy and her reactions to DATY, priceless! We were both tired from the nights escapades so fell asleep. In the morning the second pop didn't happen at first and I needed to rest a little before a very energetic 2nd attempt. I ended up finishing in doggy with a great view of her tramp stamp on her beautiful bottom. Extended my check out to 13:00 and rested a little before going out for lunch and cutting her loose, I slipped her 2,500 Baht for LT I guess. All in all a good end to the night.

My overall opinion of LK Metro is not good. I'm not sure if any of the bars there are extremely successful. All I know is the vibe is very dull with no atmosphere and very rude staff. Walking Street is much better and more customer friendly in my eyes. However, in my view, Pattaya is the place to hook with a chick LT and have a great time. You can have a great chance finding a diamond in the many smaller bars on Walking street or elsewhere to help you achieve this. So if I had 3 or 4 days to spend in Pattaya, I would spend each day searching for one LT encounter per day. Go for dinner, dancing and back to my hotel for 2-4 pops over the course of the evening amd next morning with a stunner.

On a side note, I did not have a chance to go to Soi 6 or do any of the massage shops as I was too busy with my chosen companion for that night. Overall a great one day trip.

[ParkVille]

However the second girl just looked at me with a black stare. I asked the server to bring her over and there was no answer. Finally talked to the manager and he tried but alas no luck. Who knows what the hell was going on. He gave me a story about her having another customer but there was none to be found. At this point I paid and left. I was beginning to think there was something wrong with me. In Bangkok I normally have no issues with the ladies in the Gogos, very strange.I went to Paradise a month ago and bought a very tan but cute spinner a LD. She just was sending the wrong signals. Bragging about the fact that she gets BF'ed every night, momentarily walked off at one point without saying a word, and just generally standoff-ish at moments (there was some connecting going on but she was just a bit of a space cadet for it to go anywhere further). I asked about ST prices just curious and I think it was 2500ST. I told her I would be back but never returned as the place is ran by boiler room fraudsters and I just rather not knowingly go to a place like that. Also the quality is very bad, save for that 1 girl who was just OK looking / cute.

[AddisDude]

A few days ago I took a beach road freelancer that I had taken almost exactly 10 years ago in 2007. She still looked pretty much the same, and hadn't stacked on the kilos like some of the other chicks who I used to take 10 yrs ago.

As a price comparison, in 2007 I paid 500 baht for her ST services. Now in 2017 she quoted me 800 baht. I ended up trying to bargain a 700 baht price with her but she stood firm on her 800 baht price point. As she was on my bucket list to try this trip I agreed to her price and we headed off to the same ST room we used 10 yrs ago. The ST room charges 120 baht. Back in 2007 it charged 100 baht.

Doing some calculations, and even though pussy prices are rounded to the nearest 100 baht, the price for this girls services has increased by 4. 8% per annum over the last 10 years. Now looking at the CPI (consumer price index) data for Thailand, the CPI has increased by 2% per annum in the last 10 yrs. However when I look at food price inflation data, this has increased by 4. 3% per annum.

So I would suggest that the prices of chicks on BR are subject to the normal forces of economic supply and demand and that they would track food price inflation? Luckily, food price inflation in Thailand has been trending down over the last few yrs and is now slightly negative, so my expectation is that pussy price inflation will not be an issue in the coming yrs?I have seen similar price increase over the last five years (traveling there from US) but similarly housing, hotel and other cost of living has gone up over the same period of time.

[Cool]

I won't barfine from anyplace that has both ladies and ladyboys. I really wish bars wouldn't hire both. Great reports as always FL Hawk.I'm the same way also unless the LB is a janitor / papasan.

[Crocodilexp]

Was walking down Beach road about 3 AM looking for some strange to take home. Man, the pickings around that time are slim! The police does a sweep every evening at 2 AM or a bit before, they've been doing it for a year now. Past around 1 AM, pickings will indeed be slim. If you have to, your best bet is probably to look at stragglers on the other side of the road, not the beach. Walking street is better at that time, but it's a bit of a zoo with far too many ladyboys for my taste.

[Mr Enternational]

There are tons of girls on Walking Street at 3 am. Why not go there instead of Beach Road?The bus stop FL on Walking Street want a lot more than the ones on Beach Road. If you catch a chick just walking on Walking Street then it is a different story.

[Banana Boi]

I'm not a big FL guy but I have on 2 occasions picked up a girl at Red Car for 1000ST. Both were about 21 and cute enough to work in a gogo bar. I don't think that is unreasonable. Also picked up a Walking Street FL outside Palace agogo for 1000ST. I know it's not 500-700 baht for a Beach Road FL but imo it's worth 300+ baht for some pretty decent quality, especially at 3 am.

[Blanquiceleste]

All in all a good end to the night.

Overall a great one day trip.Very refreshing report, thank you for this. I think one of the reasons the girl really warmed up to you and provided GFE was because you spent a small fortune at her bar.

I wish people would spend time writing reports rather than engaging in meaningless discussions like price inflation among hookers. I also read reports of people trying to talk down a 800 b quote for ST. Sad.

[Blanquiceleste]

2 huge problems I saw with both price and supply in pattaya on my recent trip this March and AprilSounds like the basement is the best place to be.

[ParkVille]

Sounds like the basement is the best place to be.Oh I agree. And that's just how markets regulate themselves. I only do P4 P if I 1) Enjoy it 2) can easily afford it *every* night. Otherwise for me, it's not sustainable. For Pattaya, I used to get LT from young 20 year old bar girls for 1500 LT (BF included) regularly. Now that is no longer the case, even the "basement" appeals more to me honestly. These girls are not that much to get worked up about for 3000 baht (but I have no problem spending 4000 baht in a Bangkok soapy, as it's a quality thing to pay for actual models).

[Old New Guy]

I have seen similar price increase over the last five years (traveling there from US) but similarly housing, hotel and other cost of living has gone up over the same period of time.Hardly it has. Food, accommodation, health services, incidentals, everything is the same or cheaper as it was 5 - 7 yrs ago. My "four star" Hotel is $21 a night. Perhaps only the 99 Baht buffets are no more, but certainly are not missed. And if one hunts for price, can always find cheaper. I don't know or care about barfine or go-go prices.

[Broxy]

Hi,

Which hotel you get for 21 dollars a night and how far is it from Beach road love to know as sounds like a great deal if not out in the sticks somewhere.

Thanks for any info.

[Syzygies]

I'm the same way also unless the LB is a janitor / papasan.A LB can be a waitress or a mamasan. It is quite incorrect protocol (rude) to call a LB a papasan in Thailand. We have to get used to the idea that they are "ladies" (of the 2nd type), even if we don't want to fuck them. I mean officially we should not know if they have a dick or not. You have to use "she" and "her" pronouns as well.

[Naked Gunz]

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[Banana Boi]

BKKdog, went through your LK Metro gogo bar list and one name didn't ring a bell with me, Pandora's. Google mapped it and I had to laugh since I had no idea this was a gogo bar. Just thought it was a bar. Will have to check it out and provide you guys a report.

[Banana Boi]

"under government orders to clear up the illegal sex trade in karaoke shops, beer bars and soapy massage establishments or ap-op-nuat".

Another sign of force taking photos on Walking Street Tuesday night. No arrests. Notice gogo bars are not on the list to crack down on. Forgotten or no longer a target?

[Gin And Tonic]

BKKdog, went through your LK Metro gogo bar list and one name didn't ring a bell with me, Pandora's. Google mapped it and I had to laugh since I had no idea this was a gogo bar. Just thought it was a bar. Will have to check it out and provide you guys a report.I believe that is the bar that Ricky of Baby Dolls / Private Dancer fame now manages. Never go wrong in one of his bars in my experience.

[Gin And Tonic]

A LB can be a waitress or a mamasan. It is quite incorrect protocol (rude) to call a LB a papasan in Thailand. We have to get used to the idea that they are "ladies" (of the 2nd type), even if we don't want to fuck them. I mean officially we should not know if they have a dick or not. You have to use "she" and "her" pronouns as well.The opposite applies to Tomboys including wanting to fuck them.

[Syzygies]

"under government orders to clear up the illegal sex trade in karaoke shops, beer bars and soapy massage establishments or ap-op-nuat".

Another sign of force taking photos on Walking Street Tuesday night. No arrests. Notice gogo bars are not on the list to crack down on. Forgotten or no longer a target?How come you quote something without mentioning the source? Use of the term "beer bars" is strange since that is a colloquial term, yet "Soapy Massage" is explained as "ap-op-nuat". Are you talking about a sign saying this or something else?

Can you rephrase this "Another sign of force taking photos on Walking Street Tuesday night. "? Who was talking photos? Police or yourself?

It is unlikely that sex trade is allowed in bars, just because they have 4 walls. So likely "beer bars" is a mistake, if was written in English. Of course sex trade will be allowed in Massage shops that do not provide a Soapy bath, nor have a fishbowl. LOL Just trying to indicate how silly this.

Perhaps the key point should be "illegal sex trade", meaning cracking down not on sex but on under correct age girls or girls that do not have Thai identity card. These are the things cracked down on in Bangkok.

[Banana Boi]

Sorry it's from Pattaya One.

http://pattayaone.news/en/yet-another-sex-clean-pattaya/

Police do photoshoots whenever they walk through Walking Street. Happens often. As you may be aware, Pattaya Police are going mental over some news articles published in a British tabloid that no one in the world reads except for Brits.

No, the crack down is on the entire sex trade for all girls/ladyboys. Pretty sure no one is going to the dirty beaches in Pattaya without the sex industry.

Not sure about BKK but in Pattaya if someone says a beer bar it's one of the thousands of non-enclosed / outdoor bars in the city. Some place like a gogo bar would never be referred to as a beer bar.

[Syzygies]

The opposite applies to Tomboys including wanting to fuck them.Not clear what your point is here, especially about the fucking. I lack the intuition to know what you are thinking. Is it even more rude to ask a Tom for a fuck than to ask a girl? I guess it's less rude to ask a ladyboy for a fuck. LOL Just kidding.

While it is very clear that ladyboys are dressed and made up to be ladies, it could be quite unclear whether a girl is a Tom or not, and what her (or should I be saying "his") sexual preference is. I fucked a "Tomboy" (perhaps bi-sexual) who looked somewhat feminine except for short hair and boys clothes on the street. Not a very masculine face or body (good tits). The Tom did not seem to dislike DATY, kissing, nor dick. Acted like a normal girl on the bed. I have also fucked a Tom's girlfriend. The "Dees" or "Fems" are typically bisexual, I think. The one I think of now has a husband and a baby, after splitting from the Tom.

In the movie "Girl with the Dragon Tatoo", she was a Gothic or Punk Tom, but she fucked the man in the story too. She hated certain men, but not all men. Just a story I know, but maybe some Toms are actually Bi-sexuals.

[Member #4591]

BKKdog, went through your LK Metro gogo bar list and one name didn't ring a bell with me, Pandora's. Google mapped it and I had to laugh since I had no idea this was a gogo bar. Just thought it was a bar. Will have to check it out and provide you guys a report.As you read, I did not have a good time on LK Metro. As you won't be back to Thailand for a while, do you have any advice on navigating LK Metro? I clearly got it all wrong. To me it's seems to be the bazaro world Agogo area. I've had great times on Walkimg Street, Soi Cowboy, Nana, and Stephan Kwai but this place was just crazy. There were even very few customers. How do they get by?

[Old New Guy]

Which hotel you get for 21 dollars a night and how far is it from Beach road love to know as sounds like a great deal if not out in the sticks somewhere.
I was just making an example. Please keep Hotel talk in its section.

[IllusionHeart]

Oh I agree. And that's just how markets regulate themselves. I only do P4 P if I 1) Enjoy it 2) can easily afford it *every* night. Otherwise for me, it's not sustainable. For Pattaya, I used to get LT from young 20 year old bar girls for 1500 LT (BF included) regularly. Now that is no longer the case, even the "basement" appeals more to me honestly. These girls are not that much to get worked up about for 3000 baht (but I have no problem spending 4000 baht in a Bangkok soapy, as it's a quality thing to pay for actual models).I have been in pattaya since 7th of this month and definately can say that quality is a big miss this trip. Yes I have been around town from Soi 6, LK Metro, WS, kinnaree where I had a good time and have visited twice already. Insomnia has been kinda Sausage fest for the last few days with very slim pickings. I might be very picky myself but then choice does matter to me. Getting laid is not an issue at all for sure but I had a better time during my visit in October last year.

I do have 3 more days of stay left and will be frequenting all places again just in case my earlier visits were on a bad day.

[Brbhaskar]

I have been in pattaya since 7th of this month and definately can say that quality is a big miss this trip. Yes I have been around town from Soi 6, LK Metro, WS, kinnaree where I had a good time and have visited twice already. Insomnia has been kinda Sausage fest for the last few days with very slim pickings. I might be very picky myself but then choice does matter to me. Getting laid is not an issue at all for sure but I had a better time during my visit in October last year.

I do have 3 more days of stay left and will be frequenting all places again just in case my earlier visits were on a bad day.Hi,

In my past visits to Pattaya I thought of visiting Kinnaree but somehow couldn't. Since you had good time there can you tell how are the girls quality and at what rate? I again visit Pattaya in August and this time definitely I will explore kinnaree.

[Uncle Volodya]

I have been in pattaya since 7th of this month and definately can say that quality is a big miss this trip. Yes I have been around town from Soi 6, LK Metro, WS, kinnaree where I had a good time and have visited twice already. Insomnia has been kinda Sausage fest for the last few days with very slim pickings. I might be very picky myself but then choice does matter to me. Getting laid is not an issue at all for sure but I had a better time during my visit in October last year.

I do have 3 more days of stay left and will be frequenting all places again just in case my earlier visits were on a bad day.I was in town with Illusion and I concur with his assessment. I mostly stuck with my Ibar regular from last trip, one Pochahotas looking hottie I found at Red Point and a couple of very nice girls I met through the internet. So good ones can be found. It just takes a lot more effort.

Did not make it to Kinaree as I was usually preoccupied with my LT from the night before.

I think this is to be expected this time of year and pretty much jibes with what I'v experienced in the past. My trips in August-September have always been the best in terms of selection, then my May trips, and worst December-January.

[IllusionHeart]

I think this is to be expected this time of year and pretty much jibes with what I'v experienced in the past. My trips in August-September have always been the best in terms of selection, then my May trips, and worst December-January.True that, my visit last year in August and October were very good comparatively.

As you rightly said choices are there on social media but need effort. Yest met a tinder girl for ST. I am right now waiting for a Laotian cutie to turn up. Hope she doesn't stall me.

Visited Rasputin earlier today, picked a sideliner girl, lot of beautiful ones there. Best time as per my guess is between 6 to 7 pm for wide selection in case anyone is interested. Prices start at 4000 and go upto 6000 b. Saw two Russians or Uzbeks not sure as I wasn't interested in them.

Guess I have to start planning for my August visit.

[ParkVille]

I have been in pattaya since 7th of this month and definately can say that quality is a big miss this trip. Yes I have been around town from Soi 6, LK Metro, WS, kinnaree where I had a good time and have visited twice already. Insomnia has been kinda Sausage fest for the last few days with very slim pickings. I might be very picky myself but then choice does matter to me. Getting laid is not an issue at all for sure but I had a better time during my visit in October last year.

I do have 3 more days of stay left and will be frequenting all places again just in case my earlier visits were on a bad day.I've had good times there as well in 2016 Oct. And in 2012 June-July. I think perhaps the lower part of the actual low season. Maybe it's because the rain scares people from committing to book that time, people hate the idea of being stuck in a hotel on their holiday, despite the rain not lasting long of a duration in Thailand. Also a lot of people want to do more than *just* p4 p, even if they take their LT / LLT girls out with them. Hard to enjoy day-time beach / island stuff it's dark and cloudy with a chance of rain.

I'm thinking, better to try again soon, but during / around songkhran was not so great.

[Banana Boi]

I didn't find it so great May 2016 which is the reason I chose April and May 2017 to be away from Songkran and low season. I found that by the end of June 2016 the girls started coming back a little. Guess they started running out of money! By mid September the numbers started increasing. In October I can say it was good again. In November girls just started popping up everywhere. It was unbelievable until mid-December, 2016. Over Christmas and New Year's Pattaya sucked major ass. Worst time of year by far. I went to some clubs and there were only about 25% of the girls they normally had. So, imo if I were to only go to Pattaya once a year I would choose somewhere between Nov. 7 and Dec. 15.

The above is just my thoughts and only based on 2015 and 2016. Before 2015 is irrelevant by now. Interested to hear what others feel is peak season for girl quality/quantity in Pattaya.


Guess I have to start planning for my August visit.

This better include PP or Vietnam with Uncle V and I.


Did not make it to Kinaree as I was usually preoccupied with my LT from the night before.

Unfortunate, Kinnaree is made for you. Definitely way more your type than mine. Kinnaree girls would love you.

[Banana Boi]

As you read, I did not have a good time on LK Metro. As you won't be back to Thailand for a while, do you have any advice on navigating LK Metro? I clearly got it all wrong. To me it's seems to be the bazaro world Agogo area. I've had great times on Walkimg Street, Soi Cowboy, Nana, and Stephan Kwai but this place was just crazy. There were even very few customers. How do they get by?I have to admit my first 2 extended trips to Pattaya I wasn't a fan of LK Metro even though guys like Breadman and Finnish Fucker kept telling me it was good place to be. As I became more of a regular and many girls in every club started recognizing me it became much more fun. There is just no pressure there. Way more laid back girls overall. I really don't have a strategy for you. LK Metro is a bit different. As you pointed out, most of the time there are only 4-5 customers in these clubs with many girls. My LK Metro girls tell me they work at LK over WS since the clubs are very relaxed on their rules. They do realize they are going to make less money than on WS. Some of my girls make 500 baht in a night but they're still happy and cheerful.

I know you had a poor time at Ninja and yes even Ninja can be bad at times. Unlike many of the other LK Metro girls Ninja girls get barfined by the Japanese and Korean, sometimes right after it opens. However, when Ninja is right it can match any club on WS, Nana, and Soi Cowboy. There can be some very pretty girls there. Unless you stayed for an entire round many girls just hide upstairs. They usually have 4 sets of girls when the club is rocking.

If you head back to LK, try Kaos. It's likely the smallest gogo bar in the world but if you can find a girl you like there you will have a blast. A lot of time there are 15 of them just standing outside the bar trying to lure customers in. Touch also has 2-3 top gogo girls. I posted their photos on ISG fairly recently.

[Savethe7]

That really sucks to hear Christmas and New Years are bad since that is when I plan on going, I would have thought, since I assume most are Buddhist, they wouldn't care about western holidays so it would be business as usual. Hopefully since it is my first time and I don't know any better I won't be disappointed like you guys =p.

[Uncle Volodya]

Unfortunate, Kinnaree is made for you. Definitely way more your type than mine. Kinnaree girls would love you.Definitely need to find a way to work it into the itinerary based on you recommendations.

The two times I was there, once on a Sunday and once on a following Tuesday (both with our mutual buddy form Canada), however, I didn't find the girls to be all that great. But I need to give it another go.

[Uncle Volodya]

That really sucks to hear Christmas and New Years are bad since that is when I plan on going, I would have thought, since I assume most are Buddhist, they wouldn't care about western holidays so it would be business as usual. Hopefully since it is my first time and I don't know any better I won't be disappointed like you guys =p.It is still worthwhile to go and you can have a great time. The fact that it is the low point of the year does not dissuade me from going.

[IllusionHeart]

I didn't find it so great May 2016 which is the reason I chose April and May 2017 to be away from Songkran and low season.

This better include PP or Vietnam with Uncle V and I.
Wise decision BB to stay way at this time of the year as I know you also always look for quality gals. I would also recommend August to October as I found less travellers from my earlier experiences and choices are plenty. I was here once during Christmas in 2015 and have decided to never visit during that time again. Always found Manila and AC more fun despite being Christian country. Guess girls there need money more than holidays.

I plan to visit Phnom Penh or Jakarta followed by Angeles and finally Pattaya. Will be in touch with you and UV on the dates if we can connect during this time.

Coming back to short FR from yest, The Lao cutie from social media stood me up eventually. Good 1. 5 jours wasted. I decided to venture north as it was only 11 pm and ended in one of the small bars after soi 6 on second road as I spotted a potential. She turned out to be an ex WS gogo gal working in a small bar as she had been sponsored by a dude from Sweden. Amazing time with her back in hotel. Went to Lucifer and met 3 more of her friends and had fun till wee hours. Back to hotel and another round later I let her go with 2 k LT and good tip because that's what she wanted. She's flying to Sweden for 3 months shortly and showed me her ticket. Good for her and best of luck for the dude. Amazing experience, has happened twice with me of finding a gem in a small bar on north. Just needs bit of walking effort.

[Uncle Volodya]

Coming back to short FR from yest, The Lao cutie from social media stood me up eventually. Good 1. 5 jours wasted. I decided to venture north as it was only 11 pm and ended in one of the small bars after soi 6 on second road as I spotted a potential. She turned out to be an ex WS gogo gal working in a small bar as she had been sponsored by a dude from Sweden. Amazing time with her back in hotel. Went to Lucifer and met 3 more of her friends and had fun till wee hours. Back to hotel and another round later I let her go with 2 k LT and good tip because that's what she wanted. She's flying to Sweden for 3 months shortly and showed me her ticket. Good for her and best of luck for the dude. Amazing experience, has happened twice with me of finding a gem in a small bar on north. Just needs bit of walking effort.Nicely done!! You are the King of the small bars and master of finding the needle in the haystack!

[WildHawk]

Second agogo stop (after Skyfall, where the lingerie dancer I coveted was nowhere in sight; clearly two months is eons in Pattaya time) I thought to hit Happy Agogo, if nothing else to get honked off about being ignored, and thus making all the other agogos afterward look good by comparison. Well, what a difference time makes. The girls' attitudes have taken a 180-degree turn for the better, smiling, making eye contact with farang alike. And then another in the chain, Beach Club, where I had a great time last trip, was nothing but nonstop begging for lady drinks, for "my freeens", yada.

The talent pool at Palace was quite nice. I nearly closed the place down. The girl I fancied was on her mens. The backup dancer somehow developed an attitude (perhaps not liking being the backup? Who knows, and I'll never ever try to understand the logic of Thai bargirls.). Ended up being stupid, skulking around iBar until fucking 6 a.m., when I ended up taking an Issan girl (agreed via her "friend" for "LT" until 11 a.m. for 2K. Really stupid of me. Though the session was just fine, the girl suited up to take off after the first shot. I convinced her to sleep a bit, and told her "then we wake up and do boom boom"). Well the girl's English was, of course, crap, and she seemed inexperienced in the protocol. After we slept a couple of hours she awakened and put her kit on. I then tried to explain that with no second act, that she would only get 1K, which probably was her original expectation. Rather than go for round two, she took the bill and left. So much for the better.

I am looking forward to my last night this evening. Have a date with a former Walking Street dancer turned young professional. Had great reunion sex with her earlier in the week (which was never even expected, though I wined and dined her with no conception as to whether she would want to stay the night, which she did. Even more than intimated bareback, which I demurred on). And still I remain as clueless as ever about this place.

[Nixonbd]

As you read, I did not have a good time on LK Metro. As you won't be back to Thailand for a while, do you have any advice on navigating LK Metro? I clearly got it all wrong. To me it's seems to be the bazaro world Agogo area. I've had great times on Walkimg Street, Soi Cowboy, Nana, and Stephan Kwai but this place was just crazy. There were even very few customers. How do they get by?The redeeming quality of LK Metro is that it is void of the throngs of tourists and terrorists; mostly ex-pats who call LK Metro home. It's refreshing to me and a much needed break from all the crap on WS. The girls in LK Metro are friendlier, don't hawk drinks for all their friends and are enjoyable to chat with in a non-rushed environment. Just MHO.

[Pipe Layer99]

Wise decision BB to stay way at this time of the year as I know you also always look for quality gals. I would also recommend August to October as I found less travellers from my earlier experiences and choices are plenty. I was here once during Christmas in 2015 and have decided to never visit during that time again. Always found Manila and AC more fun despite being Christian country. Guess girls there need money more than holidays.

I plan to visit Phnom Penh or Jakarta followed by Angeles and finally Pattaya. Will be in touch with you and UV on the dates if we can connect during this time.

Coming back to short FR from yest, The Lao cutie from social media stood me up eventually. Good 1. 5 jours wasted. I decided to venture north as it was only 11 pm and ended in one of the small bars after soi 6 on second road as I spotted a potential. She turned out to be an ex WS gogo gal working in a small bar as she had been sponsored by a dude from Sweden. Amazing time with her back in hotel. Went to Lucifer and met 3 more of her friends and had fun till wee hours. Back to hotel and another round later I let her go with 2 k LT and good tip because that's what she wanted. She's flying to Sweden for 3 months shortly and showed me her ticket. Good for her and best of luck for the dude. Amazing experience, has happened twice with me of finding a gem in a small bar on north. Just needs bit of walking effort.I like it there all year round. Especially during low season. And I usually stay 9 months out if the year. With side trips to Indonesia, Laos, etc. During the next 9 months in Asia I will finally go to PP. Met a guy on the flight back to the USA and he has a bar there. So.... I gotta go check it out. :D

Nice find on 2nd road. In regards to the 'tip' part of your report. No need to tip.
1. 2000 baht is plenty (I usually give 1200-1500 for LT). For the past 6 years, I may have donated 2000 baht to only about 3 or 4 girls.
2. Taking her to the club is costing you even more money.
3. That chick had a sponsor. So she doesn't need YOUR money. 2000 was already enough.

Glad you had a good time. I hope guys keep that tipping stuff at home. (giving the girl an extra 60-100 baht for the moto taxi the next day is fine, but tipping is not necessary).

[Banana Boi]

That chick had a sponsor. So she doesn't need YOUR money. 2000 was already enough.This is a really good point. Some guys look at these girls who have Sponsors as gold diggers sucking guys in. Personally I really like girls with Sponsors since they will only charge me for a bag of Squid chips. They're already set and are just going out to have fun now while their Sponsors are away.

[Savethe7]

I used to go to China quite a bit for work, had a bar girl pick me up one time, she wasn't going to take no for an answer. Similar situation, had a German guy looking after her and she was bored when he wasn't around, I saw her at least 5 times and all it cost me were drinks here and there and dinner once.

Probably similar anywhere, girls don't need cash they are just bored and horny so if they like you enough it shouldn't cost you much more than your time and a bit of effort to make them feel appreciated.

[IllusionHeart]

Nicely done!! You are the King of the small bars and master of finding the needle in the haystack!And this also happened to me.

Picked one from Insomnia yest, cute young spinner, gogo girl agrees on 3 k LT. Back in the room we are ok, no pics, I don't push. After a pop she pulls the oldest trick on me that her roommate has lost room key and she needs to go. I have no choice but to pay and let her go. She asks for entire money and eventually I end up giving her 2 k. I know I should have given her less, etc but I didn't want any drama at that time hence just let it go.

The young ones do make it difficult at times.

[Blanquiceleste]

Oh I agree. And that's just how markets regulate themselves. I only do P4 P if I 1) Enjoy it 2) can easily afford it *every* night. Otherwise for me, it's not sustainable. For Pattaya, I used to get LT from young 20 year old bar girls for 1500 LT (BF included) regularly. Now that is no longer the case, even the "basement" appeals more to me honestly. These girls are not that much to get worked up about for 3000 baht (but I have no problem spending 4000 baht in a Bangkok soapy, as it's a quality thing to pay for actual models).Sarcasm clearly isn't working. Sigh.

[Blanquiceleste]

Amazing experience, has happened twice with me of finding a gem in a small bar on north. Just needs bit of walking effort.If you look at Pattaya from a business angle, clearly you can see that the GoGo bars and discos are tourist traps. If you want to find a chick who will fuck to your heart's content, always hit the bars that are off the beaten path. There are untold riches waiting to be uncovered (pun unintended).

More power to you IH.

[Blanquiceleste]

And this also happened to me.

Picked one from Insomnia yest, cute young spinner, gogo girl agrees on 3 k LT. Back in the room we are ok, no pics, I don't push. After a pop she pulls the oldest trick on me that her roommate has lost room key and she needs to go. I have no choice but to pay and let her go. She asks for entire money and eventually I end up giving her 2 k. I know I should have given her less, etc but I didn't want any drama at that time hence just let it go.

The young ones do make it difficult at times.We all live and learn. Personally, I do not see the attraction in staying up till 3 am to hook a hooker only to be stiffed by her after one pop. But one has to take good times with the bad, happy times with the sad. Have fun.

[Syzygies]

And this also happened to me.

Picked one from Insomnia yest, cute young spinner, gogo girl agrees on 3 k LT. Back in the room we are ok, no pics, I don't push. After a pop she pulls the oldest trick on me that her roommate has lost room key and she needs to go. I have no choice but to pay and let her go. She asks for entire money and eventually I end up giving her 2 k. I know I should have given her less, etc but I didn't want any drama at that time hence just let it go.

The young ones do make it difficult at times.Don't even think of LT if you don't know the girl in the modern day. Start with ST, and if is really going great, see if she can be persuaded to extend to LT (many won't do LT). I only do LT with one girl I have known for years, not that young, that I know is really keen on a morning fuck. Some of us are used to sleeping alone, I guess.

[Uncle Volodya]

And this also happened to me.

Picked one from Insomnia yest, cute young spinner, gogo girl agrees on 3 k LT. Back in the room we are ok, no pics, I don't push. After a pop she pulls the oldest trick on me that her roommate has lost room key and she needs to go. I have no choice but to pay and let her go. She asks for entire money and eventually I end up giving her 2 k. I know I should have given her less, etc but I didn't want any drama at that time hence just let it go.

The young ones do make it difficult at times.Don't sweat it illusion. Got to take the good with the bad. And getting your nut off with a 20 something hottie for under $60 USD isn't all that bad.

I've found that the only real litmus test for discos is if you click and have a natural, "spontaneous" (not forced) makeout session with the girl at the club. Btu if you are too strict about this and make it a rule you may pass up on some good girls, as some girls are just too shy to do this.

[Old New Guy]

If you look at Pattaya from a business angle, clearly you can see that the GoGo bars and discos are tourist traps.
What discos' have to do with go-go bar? In a disco I'm never pressured for drinks and I approach anyone that I like, for a length of time that is up to me. Plus, I can dance if I like or just hang out. Try that in any kind of bar? All and any of the few great finds I've had in the years have been in a disco, except one or two girls that were in the street stumbling back home.

Of course, I gave the early checkout to more girls that I can remember. Which is just good.

[Cool]

What discos' have to do with go-go bar? In a disco I'm never pressured for drinks and I approach anyone that I like, for a length of time that is up to me. Plus, I can dance if I like or just hang out. Try that in any kind of bar? All and any of the few great finds I've had in the years have been in a disco, except one or two girls that were in the street stumbling back home.

Of course, I gave the early checkout to more girls that I can remember. Which is just good.From my experience discos will pressure certain clientele for drinks and there has been notorious cases in the past where Indians were turned away from bars for not purchasing a single can of coke despite being a group of 6-10. Also discos have distasteful practice of charging locals less for drinks. The disco is great for dodging bar fines and getting a hottie for close to beach prices. The downside to the disco is it can be a sausage fest and girls out with their friends may want to party and drink at night. Discos are great for pump and dump but terrible for a serious girlfriend. Who would trust a girl exposed to the disco 3- 5 nights a week. The party girl vibe wears Schick / vibe wears thin after a few weeks.

[BroComplex]

What discos' have to do with go-go bar? In a disco I'm never pressured for drinks and I approach anyone that I like, for a length of time that is up to me. Plus, I can dance if I like or just hang out. Try that in any kind of bar? All and any of the few great finds I've had in the years have been in a disco, except one or two girls that were in the street stumbling back home.

Of course, I gave the early checkout to more girls that I can remember. Which is just good.Gogo bars are a thing of the past, the days of having to buy a girl an over priced drinks just to talk to her are numbered. I never barfine anymore unless its for a soi 6 short time other than that I pick up freelancers from nightclubs for half what the gogo girls ask. I still go to gogos early in the night before nightclubs are busy but if I bought a girl a lady drink I expect to see some tits and her grinding in me.

[Blanquiceleste]

What discos' have to do with go-go bar? In a disco I'm never pressured for drinks and I approach anyone that I like, for a length of time that is up to me. Plus, I can dance if I like or just hang out. Try that in any kind of bar? All and any of the few great finds I've had in the years have been in a disco, except one or two girls that were in the street stumbling back home.

Of course, I gave the early checkout to more girls that I can remember. Which is just good.Perhaps you have not noticed what they charge you for a pint of beer at some discos. If I am right a beer at Lucifer costs 150 baht? Ever see what the same pint costs at a 7/11 or even an open beer bar?

If you have been having a good time in discos, then good for you. I am not looking to convince anyone of my views and opinions and I am not about to change them either.

[Blanquiceleste]

Gogo bars are a thing of the past, the days of having to buy a girl an over priced drinks just to talk to her are numbered. I never barfine anymore unless its for a soi 6 short time other than that I pick up freelancers from nightclubs for half what the gogo girls ask. I still go to gogos early in the night before nightclubs are busy but if I bought a girl a lady drink I expect to see some tits and her grinding in me.Gogo bars will not die an economic death as long as there are punters. The main attraction of a Gogo bar is the opportunity to see several good looking girls with little or no clothes on for the price of a drink. But as wise men would concur, this is how it all starts. A few people like you and some others on this forum not barfining from Gogo bars will not alter their financial fortunes. They have other patrons with deep pockets to keep them going. Plus, many Gogo bars are plain fronts for other activities.

[Adrena]

I've been to Pattaya three times now. All three trips were in the Jan-Feb time frame. Currently, I'm planning a trip with my best friend there in mid-July. Can some of the expats in the area give me a rough estimate of how many fewer working girls will be in the gogo's and Soi 6 bars at that time?

Will there be 30% less girls roughly? That seems to be the area most people hint at, but I've never seen any straight answers.

I'm not worried about having a good time and finding girls. It's Pattaya! I'm just curious about the differences between my usual travel dates and this July.

Funny side note: I'm not going to tell my friend which girls aren't really girls. It's his first time to Thailand. It's going to be hilarious watching him try to figure it out. (I wouldn't do this usually, but my friend is very mild-mannered) I'll make sure to post reports of our adventures!

I'm also thinking of staying at the Pattaya Blue Sky since my last hotel was a disappointment. If you disagree with the choice, let me know.

[Bunky]

Yeah, when you walk out of your hotel take a right. It's on the right hand side a ways down.That place is too expensive!

Mr. Charley Twins will save a bundle if he goes to the pharmacy on soi with the bars, near the 7-11.

[Hades]

I have been coming here off and on since 2005.

This time I'm trying to just get freelancers off Tinder and get them to come to my hotel. Seems like the short time rate has jumped to 1 k with some lookers wanting 1500.

Had a session with a 20 year old with great tits called Mind. She couldn't come to my hotel because she lost her ID card so I went to her bar which was just off Soi Buakow. The bar was called Pinup bar and its down a little alley off Soi Buakow, opposite Saswadee Hotel. She gave a real GFE experience and lovely BJ skills. Damage was 1 k and 300 BF. I highly recommend giving her a whirl and her English was pretty good.

Once again staying at Areca which is good value for money but the internet is terrible.

[Banana Boi]

Gogo bars are a thing of the past, the days of having to buy a girl an over priced drinks just to talk to her are numbered.Not sure which Pattaya gogo bars you have gone to and when your last gogo bar visit was but there is FAR more than just talking after you buy a lady drink.

[Uncle Volodya]

From my experience discos will pressure certain clientele for drinks and there has been notorious cases in the past where Indians were turned away from bars for not purchasing a single can of coke despite being a group of 6-10. Also discos have distasteful practice of charging locals less for drinks. The disco is great for dodging bar fines and getting a hottie for close to beach prices. The downside to the disco is it can be a sausage fest and girls out with their friends may want to party and drink at night. I'm pretty sure that Insomnia charges the same for locals and falang. Those fuckers are mercenary. There is a discount card, but anyone can get one.

Yes they can be a sausage fest. And they are not a sure thing. But if you have a little game and patience you can do some good work there.


Discos are great for pump and dump but terrible for a serious girlfriend. Who would trust a girl exposed to the disco 3- 5 nights a week. The party girl vibe wears Schick / vibe wears thin after a few weeks.Anyone coming to Pattaya looking for a serious girlfriend is seriously deluded, no mater what venue they choose to look for them.

I do repeat with girls and develop relationships. I'm not lookign for pump and dump but more for a friends with benefits relationship on a p4 p basis. You can still have an emotional connections but you know that there are boundaries and limits. At the end of the day I know what she is doing behind my back and that she has every right to do it if I am not sponsoring her. I don't sweat it because I am doing the same when she is not around.

[ParkVille]

A few people like you and some others on this forum not barfining from Gogo bars will not alter their financial fortunes.Every baht counts. Entire economies (at least ones the books), can be counted down to the last penny. Second, Pattaya / Bangkok get a lot of punters coming in from online forums (not so much this one). There are many punters who use reports to determine if their next trip is worth it or not, that is if they don't already have friends who go there regularly to ask. When people were saying how awesome Pattaya was because you could get a new hot 20 year old GF every night, all night, for $40, it certainly generated some hype and got people packing their bags. If that is true, I don't see why the inverse wouldn't be true (people avoiding coming when they see reports about the prices being much higher and girls being older).

[Banana Boi]

If that is true, I don't see why the inverse wouldn't be true (people avoiding coming when they see reports about the prices being much higher and girls being older).This would only be true if there's a better alternative. When you add hotel prices and how far your hobby dollar goes, I am guessing the following:

Too expensive:

Japan.
Singapore.
South Korea.
Hong Kong.

Comparable but is it worth the difference in baht saved:

Malaysia*.
Indonesia*.
Vietnam*.
Philippines*.

A cheaper possible alternative:

Cambodia (Phnom Penh).

*I haven't been to Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, or Philippines yet and don't follow their prices closely.

[Cool]

This would only be true if there's a better alternative. When you add hotel prices and how far your hobby dollar goes, I am guessing the following:

Too expensive:

Japan.
Singapore.
South Korea.
Hong Kong.

Comparable but is it worth the difference in baht saved:

Malaysia*.
Indonesia*.
Vietnam*.
Philippines*.

A cheaper possible alternative:

Cambodia (Phnom Penh).

*I haven't been to Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, or Philippines yet and don't follow their prices closely.The Philippines outclasses Cambodia easily. Cambodia is a major drop off compared to Thailand. You see more fatties / chubbier in Thailand than PP. A lot of the diehards will tell you differently but The Phils is more dangerous. If you care about safety Patts beats the P. I. The Phils is better for men over 50 years old. If you're on sub $50 a day budget the Phils and Colombia are hard to beat. PP FL were the worst looking I seen in Asia.

[ParkVille]

This would only be true if there's a better alternative. There are many alternatives such as staying home or visiting local p4 p places in your home country. I mean, we're all fairly active at this hobby. But I imagine the majority of sex tourists actually only allocate an optional portion of their time to this hobby and are OK with not even getting on the plane at all. The thought of not going to Pattaya at all and just visiting the asian massage parlors crossed my mind many times when I lived in America. As the girls there are Korean / Chinese and are much better looking than average so they're pretty hot (but I digress, that's really getting off topic). Considering the airfare and hassle of traveling, I wouldn't really be that keen on going back to Pattaya if I already lived in America, unless the price in America also went up a lot too.

[Old New Guy]

Perhaps you have not noticed what they charge you for a pint of beer at some discos. If I am right a beer at Lucifer costs 150 baht? Ever see what the same pint costs at a 7/11 or even an open beer bar?
Maybe if you drop your stinginess glasses you will see that there is a slight difference between killing time in front of 7-Eleven, or inside Lucifer, or Insomnia, LOL.

I really pity these old scrappy buggers in shorts and Chang beer a-shirt, sipping already at 11 am in open bars.

[Old New Guy]

Dup, sorry

[Banana Boi]

The Phils is better for men over 50 years old. Why is that? Asking because I am younger.

I'd like to go to Angeles City since their Walking Street looks like fun imo. However, heard too many stories there and that you should not be out after 9 pm in certain areas. I'm a night person! Will visit Ho Chi Minh, Kuala Lumpur and, of course, Phnom Penh, on my Visa runs in 2017. I enjoy Singapore but the hotels are very expensive near Orchard Towers.


PP FL were the worst looking I seen in Asia.

We have different tastes then. Girls at Darling Darling in NagaWorld casino look ok to me.

[Syzygies]

Why is that? Asking because I am younger.

I'd like to go to Angeles City since their Walking Street looks like fun imo. However, heard too many stories there and that you should not be out after 9 pm in certain areas. I'm a night person! Will visit Ho Chi Minh, Kuala Lumpur and, of course, Phnom Penh, on my Visa runs in 2017. I enjoy Singapore but the hotels are very expensive near Orchard Towers.It's mandatory to stay in the Marina Bay Sands Hotel in Singapore LOL. Well not quite. You can always dine on the top instead or go to the cigar bar. My girl wanted to smoke a big fat cigar.

I won't visit Singapore too often since is fucking expensive as you say, and the local girl talent wasn't that special at Orchard Towers. I enjoyed Geylang more many years ago. My Thai girl creamed all the other girls in the Orchard Tower bar at pool. They were astonished how hard she could smash balls into the pockets. That was a highlight. I had no clue she was that good at something other than sex.

I once had a Philippina GF, and my impression is that their bodies are slightly more hairy than Thai girls. Someone can correct me if that is wrong. I know some Thai girls have evident black body hairs too. My GF has very little indeed including the pubes. She certainly doesn't need to shave her legs or lower pussy areas. Naturally smooth.

For me, Indonesia would be a higher priority than the Philippines but of course we have different taste. I actually found it very hard to guess sometimes if girls were Philippine or Indonesian when they worked in Japanese restaurants. Hearing the accent sometimes helped. I just have a feeling that Indonesian girls maybe be overall better looking and more sexually rampant. Guys with the experience of both could comment.

[Member #4698]

1. I'd like to go to Angeles City since their Walking Street looks like fun imo. However, heard too many stories there and that you should not be out after 9 pm in certain areas.

2. I enjoy Singapore but the hotels are very expensive near Orchard Towers.

3. Girls at Darling Darling in NagaWorld casino look ok to me.
1. Fields Ave aka Walking Street, AC is totally safe at all hours. What people are talking about is walking quiet lonely stretches of Perimeter Road late at night. Don't do it! That said, I prefer Manila over AC. On your first foray to the PI, I suggest a week in MNL (stay in Makati and hit Burgos St. and the EDSA Entertainment Complex. You will have a great time. Lots of very, very nice Filipinas! Then spend 4 nights in AC (stay at ABC or Fields Plaza Suites, the Lewis Grand, or Central Park). I prefer MNL because I like the city girls better. Both destinations are totally safe if you pay attention to your surroundings and use common sense.

2. In Singapore I usually stay for free at the Orchard Center Holiday Inn thanks to my Intercontinental (IHG) Chase card with points accrued and free voucher nights. It is not the greatest hotel in Singapore by a long shot, but its one of the best Holiday Inn's that I have ever stayed at. Walking distance to the Hyatt and Brix Bar where the finest talent in Singapore is on display nightly. I also have a Hyatt Chase card, but I prefer to use my Hyatt points and free voucher nights at the Jakarta Hyatt. I also like the Geylang Chinese houses and the food in Singapore.

3. Phnom Penh: the Girls at Darling Darling in NagaWorld Casino look good to me too, but they can't compete with the knockouts at Brix or the amazing selection and volume of talent at CJ's in the Mulia Hotel, Jakarta.


For me, Indonesia would be a higher priority than the Philippines but of course we have different taste. I actually found it very hard to guess sometimes if girls were Philippine or Indonesian when they worked in Japanese restaurants. Hearing the accent sometimes helped. I just have a feeling that Indonesian girls maybe be overall better looking and more sexually rampant. Guys with the experience of both could comment.You won't go wrong checking out Jakarta first. IMHO Jakarta girls are outstanding. Physically they are exotic looking and come more naturally endowed, breast wise, than their Thai sisters. I saw hardly any silly cones or nose jobs there. They are great kissers and overall damn sensual and passionate in bed. I think you will like them, but prices vary all over the place. Overall I think it is true that in Jakarta you get what you pay for.

On the other hand, I do love Pinays, especially the ones I meet in Makati. There is nothing exotic about them to me. They speak English and look like Latin Asians. One has to search a little harder to find the real pretty ones, although not too much harder. 555 and I never have a problem finding very pretty little spinners in MNL. But what I like about them most is how much they like to please and play the girlfriend. All you have to do is barfine them one time and treat them nice and they will follow you to the ends of the world and do just about anything you want to make you happy and want to repeat with them. Pinays like to party too. For example, my 2 favorites Makati girls and I have had the wildest Tequila parties imaginable 2.5 years runnning. Every night with those two is a party.

In general I tend to think of Thai girls as cats (independent but loving when they want to be) and Pinays as dogs (your best friend for life if you feed them and give them a place to sleep) ha ha, and Jakarta girls somewhere in between being much less spoiled than Thai girls and far more exotic than Pinays.

[Uncle Volodya]

Nice comparison between girls from Thailand and other countries in the region.

What about girls from different Thai regions? I have had two "girl friends" from Sisaket now and have found them to be more mellow, reliable and down to earth than other girls from Issan. And great lovers too, They also seem to have a strong affiliation to the province and say they are form Sisaket rather than Issan.

Not a representative sample, for sure. But maybe Szygies or some of you other guys with more in country experience can weight in?

[Axiata]

Nice comparison between girls from Thailand and other countries in the region.

What about girls from different Thai regions? I have had two "girl friends" from Sisaket now and have found them to be more mellow, reliable and down to earth than other girls from Issan. And great lovers too, They also seem to have a strong affiliation to the province and say they are form Sisaket rather than Issan.

Not a representative sample, for sure. But maybe Szygies or some of you other guys with more in country experience can weight in?Singapore very expensive for girls, hotels, drinks. Quality at high end places like Brix is great but way over the top in cost. OT over run by hard viets.

Jakarta is hard to get around with traffic. CJ's compares to Brix but quality varies a lot. Cost is not as high as Brix but still expensive. Indos are fab though. Top gun is fun but tricky also due to location.

Manilla is manic for traffic. Cost about the same as Jakarta for girls. Quality the same but Phillies are sweet.

AC does not compare to Pattaya IMHO. Much smaller and options not as good. More daytime options in Pattaya. Girls in AC have eyes for Koreans these days so not that keen for others.

Malaysia KL is not a patch in what it was. Beach Club over run by older harder Viets. Not worth the money.

PP is ok because cheap. Quality of girls varies a lot. Gems are there but you need to look hard. Cambos can be fun though.

Yangon was a pleasant surprise. Quality great but options are limited.

Japan expensive and girls hard.

Korea expensive like Japan.

China dead these days but expensive anyway.

Saigon hard to find cheapet options and also take girls back to hotels.

All said above, everyone playing the world game likes to play different teams on different surfaces. The asian scene is becoming harder to find new areas but there are still goid options to suit all tastes and budgets.

The hunt makes it fun!

Happy hunting.

[Cool]

Why is that? Asking because I am younger.

I'd like to go to Angeles City since their Walking Street looks like fun imo. However, heard too many stories there and that you should not be out after 9 pm in certain areas. I'm a night person! Will visit Ho Chi Minh, Kuala Lumpur and, of course, Phnom Penh, on my Visa runs in 2017. I enjoy Singapore but the hotels are very expensive near Orchard Towers.



We have different tastes then. Girls at Darling Darling in NagaWorld casino look ok to me.In the Phils girls equate age with a fatter wallet. They see older gents as more mature, generous, and less likely to butterfly. Of course that isn't true but a lot of ladies believe that. Most girls around 30 is looking for a provider and safety net especially if they have babies. Older gents also have more time because they are retired. An older gent in town on a retirement visa is more appealing than a 25 year old in town for 2 weeks.

[Broxy]

Any time I have mentioned anything other than reports about Pattaya even if only hotels in Pattaya on this forum I have very quickly been admonished and told to go to relevant other sites. In other words I have been told stick to Pattaya do why all these reports about Singapore Phills and all the other places??

[Old New Guy]

Any time I have mentioned anything other than reports about Pattaya even if only hotels in Pattaya on this forum I have very quickly been admonished and told to go to relevant other sites. In other words I have been told stick to Pattaya do why all these reports about Singapore Phills and all the other places??Maybe because the comparing postings have sex related content unlike your whining above.

[Old New Guy]

What about girls from different Thai regions? I have had two "girl friends" from Sisaket now and have found them to be more mellow, reliable and down to earth than other girls from Issan. And great lovers too, They also seem to have a strong affiliation to the province and say they are form Sisaket rather than Issan.

Not a representative sample, for sure. But maybe Szygies or some of you other guys with more in country experience can weight in?Yes, I don't think one can represent a region based on few shags. The Sisaket girl I've been with last week with was intelligent, easy going and very practical, but certainly not mellow. On the other hand, the Laos girl has represented well, to my limited experience, the culture and attitudes of her country, very relaxed to say it in one word. One lives to be disproved, that's the beauty of learning.

[Adrena]

Any time I have mentioned anything other than reports about Pattaya even if only hotels in Pattaya on this forum I have very quickly been admonished and told to go to relevant other sites. In other words I have been told stick to Pattaya do why all these reports about Singapore Phills and all the other places??Broxy, there are about five guys who get to do anything they want in this forum. The rest of us just have to deal with it.

In January, I posted 6 reports and they all got ignored. A few days ago, I asked a completely relevant question which was ignored as well, so they could talk about other cities.

That's just the nature of this forum. My advice is to skip all the small talk you see and find the actual reports. They are the only thing worth reading here.

[Eric Swiss]

I'm used to going to high-end full-service oily massage shops in Bangkok like Addict and Club 102. By high-end I mean that the rooms are actually very nice, and they have a large selection of young hotties from noon onwards. I have written many reports on these two shops. Is there anything comparable to them in Pattaya? I think not, but it never hurts to double-check with better-informed people.

[Broxy]

Thank you for your comment it means a lot guess good these guys have total free run I will just keep quit in future and just look for the nuggets of information that can help in future visits to Pattaya thanks again Adrena.

[Hades]

Thought I would try my luck at midday today (maybe around 2 pm) with a jaunt up to soi 6. Due to it pissing down with rain, there wasnt much on offer.

Saw a good looking one near the end of the street (name of the place escapes me). Went inside and pointed upstairs. She looked at me with a puzzled expression. I said upstairs? The girl then looked at the mamasan behind the bar and she spoke some rapid Thai before the girl said no. I shrugged and left.

I heard a rumour that you can't go upstairs at Soi 6 due to some crackdown. Anyone know anything more about this?

So thought I would try out Kittens bar down on 13/2. There were four girls out front and I took a young and thin one. Cost was 850 baht for a BJ but they offer sex as well but I wasnt in the mood.

Girl gave a very decent BJ and I didn't feel rushed. Tried to ask if she did rimjobs as well and showed a picture and she said no. Came in her mouth not long after and then headed off to Central for some food.

[Christian G]

I'm used to going to high-end full-service oily massage shops in Bangkok like Addict and Club 102. By high-end I mean that the rooms are actually very nice, and they have a large selection of young hotties from noon onwards. I have written many reports on these two shops. Is there anything comparable to them in Pattaya? I think not, but it never hurts to double-check with better-informed people.Maybe you could try Dream Teen Massage http://dream-teen-pattaya.com/ they have jacuzzi room. Sure isn't High End place and I don't know about their line up, but at least isn't a cheap place with mattress on the floor behind the curtains like many others shops in soi Honey or soi Chaiyapoon.

[Uncle Volodya]

I heard a rumour that you can't go upstairs at Soi 6 due to some crackdown. Anyone know anything more about this?

It depends on the bar. I did two STs at Red Point. But I know you can't use the upstairs at Night-Wish. They use an ST hotel nearby.

Not sure about the other bars as I did not see anyone anywhere else that I really wanted to take upstairs last trip.

A couple of lookers at Red Point this trip. Me and Illusionheart definitely indulged.