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Eszpresszo
06-18-17, 16:20
I don't live in Thailand and the only downside is you need to start building the rapport atleast 2-3 weeks before your visit. But as Mr. E said you don't need that in Pattaya as you can find a girl as you walk out of your hotel. I have met quite a few girls in BKK thro' TF.Agreed. But, you would not want to start getting contacts too much earlier than that, either. They will lose patience eventually or interest outright if you don't have an imminent arrival. I started contacting girls in November for a trip I had tentatively planned in February or March. Made contact with some nice girls from the get-go. But, by the beginning of the year, I was chatting on LINE with a different group of girls because the original contacts were disinterested or dropped out of sight. BTW, that trip never happened due to work related nonsense. And after two delays, I ended up visiting the LOS several months later in late November. Guess what, I had to make a new bunch of contacts again prior to that trip.
Given the ease of finding inexpensive P4P girls versus the time invested (not to mention emotional drama), I'm not sure I would want to bother with this option again unless I am out for a serious relationship. The one Thai girl I focused on totally wasted my time, and after that I just focused on mongering as a lone wolf.
BTW, back in the day I contacted girls in Eastern Europe using FAPIA penpal ads, months in advance of a trip. We are talking snail mail. Nowadays, the millenials call this "pipelining" on social media. I guess that term would apply here. But, for the letters I sent via the global postal system the results were good. I hooked up with nice, Russian, Ukrainian, Polish and Czech girls as well as receiving free room and board. That was time well invested. The women would cook me meals, show me around the local sites and then open their legs for bareback sex. I just don't hear about this happening in the modern digital age. At least, not in Thailand.
Member #4807
06-19-17, 06:16
You described it quite well mate, You hit the nail big time. I have been sort of visiting these sites, especially TF, for the last 8 years, on and off and had some amazing fresh freebies. Nowadays with all this smartphones era most of girls are using it as a platform or another option to hook up, stating strait away that they are freelance, some quoting even prices, so no wonder they abandon their interest if you are not getting in Thailand in let's say a week. From my experience I find this site as the perfect consolation post Pattaya holidays, At least virtually it still a connection. But besides the hit or miss-Photoshop, etc, I find nothing more exciting as going down the hunt your self in bars, discos, massage places and so on.
Agreed. But, you would not want to start getting contacts too much earlier than that, either. They will lose patience eventually or interest outright if you don't have an imminent arrival. I started contacting girls in November for a trip I had tentatively planned in February or March. Made contact with some nice girls from the get-go. But, by the beginning of the year, I was chatting on LINE with a different group of girls because the original contacts were disinterested or dropped out of sight. BTW, that trip never happened due to work related nonsense. And after two delays, I ended up visiting the LOS several months later in late November. Guess what, I had to make a new bunch of contacts again prior to that trip.
Given the ease of finding inexpensive P4P girls versus the time invested (not to mention emotional drama), I'm not sure I would want to bother with this option again unless I am out for a serious relationship. The one Thai girl I focused on totally wasted my time, and after that I just focused on mongering as a lone wolf..
Hi fellow mongers
I will be landing at Suvarnabhumi airport on 22 June (10:15 PM local time) and then head out to Pattaya. By the time, I will complete visa on arrival, baggage collection process, etc. I believe the last bus (at 11 PM) will be gone. Is there any cheaper taxi that I can avail such as Uber or Grab Taxi. Any fellow monger who wants to go to Pattaya during that time is welcome to join and we can pool.
Regards.
Reiner Otto
06-19-17, 14:31
Got some news from German forum: Actually, P4 P on Soi6 allowed from 18:00 only. No new licenses for gogos.
Seems like military is serious about targetting sex business in Pattaya.
Which might prop up dating sites, though.
Member #4591
06-19-17, 16:16
Hi fellow mongers
I will be landing at Suvarnabhumi airport on 22 June (10:15 PM local time) and then head out to Pattaya. By the time, I will complete visa on arrival, baggage collection process, etc. I believe the last bus (at 11 PM) will be gone. Is there any cheaper taxi that I can avail such as Uber or Grab Taxi. Any fellow monger who wants to go to Pattaya during that time is welcome to join and we can pool.
Regards.Uber and Grab taxi are not cheaper than regular taxis. Your best bet would be to arrange a ride before your trip but mostl likely just take a taxi from the airport. Should be about 1,000 plus 50 Baht. If you can't afford 1,000-1,500 for a taxi to Pattaya from the airport, you shouldn't be travelling to Pattaya. Sorry to say that.
Banana Boi
06-19-17, 19:15
Weffwef, unless you MUST be in Pattaya early the next morning why not take a 400 baht taxi to Bangkok. Have a night of fun in Bangkok, then take the bus / taxi to Pattaya noon the following day.
Got some news from German forum: Actually, P4 P on Soi6 allowed from 18:00 only. No new licenses for gogos.
Seems like military is serious about targetting sex business in Pattaya.
Which might prop up dating sites, though.I saw this on the Thai Visa forum as well. Bummer, though guys there think things will be back to normal in a few weeks. I don't know. Harder to bribe the military. But I wonder if the venues can open earlier provided they don't serve alcohol. I am fine with that, but I fear with the reduced income, the bars will raise their bar fines. And mid-afternoon was my favorite time to stop by. Where to go now?
Those girls still need to make money, and if not in the bars will they flood the streets or simply move online? If this restriction is successful, then what will they do next? WS gogos? I guess they can't do too much with the discos, so will all the bar girls flood the discos??
But seeing all the Chinese and even lots of couples / children on WS now, I can see that the Thai authorities have a reason to think they can turn Pattaya into a legit tourist attraction. Lots of Issan girls likely to lose their jobs, though the pretty ones might do better if they go online.
I am hoping to get back there in October. It will be a real bummer if my afternoon delight sessions are shot down. Sigh. Any news from you guys in Pattaya on what is happening and likely to happen?
Gin And Tonic
06-19-17, 22:26
I saw this on the Thai Visa forum as well. Bummer, though guys there think things will be back to normal in a few weeks. I don't know. Harder to bribe the military. But I wonder if the venues can open earlier provided they don't serve alcohol. I am fine with that, but I fear with the reduced income, the bars will raise their bar fines. And mid-afternoon was my favorite time to stop by. Where to go now?
Those girls still need to make money, and if not in the bars will they flood the streets or simply move online? If this restriction is successful, then what will they do next? WS gogos? I guess they can't do too much with the discos, so will all the bar girls flood the discos??
But seeing all the Chinese and even lots of couples / children on WS now, I can see that the Thai authorities have a reason to think they can turn Pattaya into a legit tourist attraction. Lots of Issan girls likely to lose their jobs, though the pretty ones might do better if they go online.
I am hoping to get back there in October. It will be a real bummer if my afternoon delight sessions are shot down. Sigh. Any news from you guys in Pattaya on what is happening and likely to happen?The head of NightWish group of bars on Soi6 was on FaceBook asking about bar opportunities in Cambodia a couple days ago. This uncertainty will definitely cool things off in Pattaya.
Banana Boi
06-19-17, 23:17
The head of NightWish group of bars on Soi6 was on FaceBook asking about bar opportunities in Cambodia a couple days ago. This uncertainty will definitely cool things off in Pattaya.Maybe Mr. F wants to take me on a road trip to Phnom Penh.
Those girls still need to make money, and if not in the bars will they flood the streets or simply move online? If this restriction is successful, then what will they do next? WS gogos? I guess they can't do too much with the discos, so will all the bar girls flood the discos??This is only happening in Pattaya due to those stupid British tabloid articles. The girls will go to Bangkok and Phuket or start plying their trade in other countries like Singapore, Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia, Korea, etc.
This is only speculation on my part. Pattaya is looking to build a world class casino with world class hotels. It will definitely be along the waterfront. When you look at Pattaya Beach Road 2 obvious huge lots of land come to mind. One is Bali Hai Pier and Walking Street and the other is from Soi 6 to Hotel Mera Mare. There may be one single high rise in that area between Beach Road and Second. I'm sure Walking Street generates much more income and tourists than the soi 6 stretch of Beach Road.
Club Rioja was busted today as well. Well at least we know it was open!
I agree with Bkkdog here. Even I have a premium membership and have had a fairly good success rate on TF. The profiles are not fake. Off course there may be a few exceptions but you can see thro' a fake profile and you can always ask for Line ID and video chat before fixing a meeting. I don't live in Thailand and the only downside is you need to start building the rapport atleast 2-3 weeks before your visit. But as Mr. E said you don't need that in Pattaya as you can find a girl as you walk out of your hotel. I have met quite a few girls in BKK thro' TF.Have done ThaiFriendly over the past two years. Most don't want to chat with anyone who isn't in country. I have met a few on TF when I was close to arriving who were legit; though most, when it gets to down to it, are there for money. Add an app like "Line" and it's a precursor to meeting someone. This time around, I will only purchase a month to month membership. In summary, most on TF are freelancers, not that there's anything wrong with it.
Hi guys,
Am in Pattaya this weekend. Me and another guy and planning one night to have a few girls for same room fun. Might not be allowed in regular hotel even if green. Penthouse Hotel will allow but is expensive just for few hours and bit tacky. Any recommendations for short term hotels / rooms which are nice and clean and a bit classy for action like this. Anyone else out and about this weekend can PM.
SearcherMan
06-20-17, 18:44
Maybe Mr. F wants to take me on a road trip to Phnom Penh.
This is only happening in Pattaya due to those stupid British tabloid articles. The girls will go to Bangkok and Phuket or start plying their trade in other countries like Singapore, Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia, Korea, etc.
This is only speculation on my part. Pattaya is looking to build a world class casino with world class hotels. It will definitely be along the waterfront. When you look at Pattaya Beach Road 2 obvious huge lots of land come to mind. One is Bali Hai Pier and Walking Street and the other is from Soi 6 to Hotel Mera Mare. There may be one single high rise in that area between Beach Road and Second. I'm sure Walking Street generates much more income and tourists than the soi 6 stretch of Beach Road.
Club Rioja was busted today as well. Well at least we know it was open!I have no doubt this move on Soi 6 is a move on Mr F. It's embarrassing for the Thai govt when there are articles about a farang being a "king pin" of a whole strip of clubs. This may be an incremental ban targeting him. They start with a partial closure in the off season, minimizing the impact on the women, but disproportionately impacting BF.
Hi guys,
I will be in Pattaya from 23rd June until 27th June. Anyone around then? Glad to meet up.
Why are some Thai people so racist? Kinda sad.
UltraHappy
06-21-17, 02:35
So, is the current assessment that Walking Street is totally safe and all indications are that it's just Soi 6 and maybe Beach Road that's at risk here? Is that essentially the sense of what I reading here?
Banana Boi
06-21-17, 02:43
Walking Street is not safe by any means. Some gogo bars were raided a couple months ago and it will happen again. Main criteria appears to be sex on the premises. There's 1,000+ massage parlors for the cops to get to.
MrManGuy, it's about money being made by a farang over a Thai person.
Hi guys,
I will be in Pattaya from 23rd June until 27th June. Anyone around then? Glad to meet up.Frodo89,
Cannot PM you. Check your settings.
Franciscass
06-21-17, 06:37
The reality of so called crackdowns in Thailand be it on drugs, gambling or the sex industry are for the most part opportunities for better connected operators to put competition out of business and if not out of business to make it as difficult as possible for them.
Who gets targeted depends on which faction is in power at any given time. Believing it to be bonafide attempts to "clean up" is naive. It is were otherwise Walking Street, Cowboy, Nana et al would be closed down overnight. Notwithstanding sporadic "raids" for the foreseeable future Thailand will continue to be a destination for adult entertainment.
The sex industry should be licensed and regulated to eliminate corruption with law enforcement concentrating on [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and exploitation.
Pattaya Walking Street bars warned: No prostitutes, no guns and be closed by 3 am.
A new curfew is in place for all bars and entertainment venues located on Pattaya's Walking Street.
On Monday June 19th, local officials informed bar owners and managers that venues had to close by 3 am.
As well as reminding bar owners of Walking Street's trading hours, officials left a leaflet at each venue informing that guns and prostitutes are prohibited.
The news comes just days after officials issued a similar warning to bars on Soi 6.
Last week, bars were informed they have to remain closed during the day and can now only open from 6 pm.
The crackdown is part of a new sweeping changes to licensing regulations that are being rolled out by City Hall after discussions with officials from the police, tourism and entertainment sectors.
The move comes as authorities desperately try to reinvent the image of the popular resort town from one synonymous with sex and adult entertainment to that of a modern and family friendly resort with mass appeal.
Earlier this week, the police and military launched raids on three venues in the city.
One raid was carried out at a popular gentleman's club named Rioja after police received reports that sexual services were for sale. A 52 year old woman was arrested.
https://pattayaone.news/en/pattaya-walking-street-curfew/
Uncle Volodya
06-21-17, 12:29
Pattaya Walking Street bars warned: No prostitutes, no guns and be closed by 3 am.
Does this also apply to the Discos, I. E. Ibar / Insomnia and Lucifer?
Any news from LK metro?
I feel like the last oasis of freedom for us is under threat.
A friend told me Insomnia closed at 3 last night. I'll see for myself tonight. I also heard selling ladydrinks is not allowed anymore. Several bars have been fined and forced to shut down for 30 days.
Banana Boi
06-21-17, 13:18
I also heard selling ladydrinks is not allowed anymore. Several bars have been fined and forced to shut down for 30 days.Do you know which bars? Walking Street ones or throughout the city?
Looks like pattaya has had it.
Do you know which bars? Walking Street ones or throughout the city?Those bars were on the dark side, from what I heard.
Banana Boi
06-21-17, 14:24
Looks like pattaya has had it.Someone pass the message to that fucking British tabloid so they refute their story.
Someone pass the message to that fucking British tabloid so they refute their story.The Thai are simply adopting western culture. A culture which behaves like a cancer and eats other cultures. Destroying sex families recreation and leaving in its wake obedient workers and consumers.
Uncle Volodya
06-21-17, 15:14
A friend told me Insomnia closed at 3 last night. I'll see for myself tonight. I also heard selling ladydrinks is not allowed anymore. Several bars have been fined and forced to shut down for 30 days.End of LDS? WTF!!?
This is Armageddon!
I heard the same form one of my girls about Ibar. Says it closes sometimes between 2 to 4 AM these days.
Some good intel on what Ibar looks like under this new regime would be greatly appreciated.
Uncle Volodya
06-21-17, 15:24
The Thai are simply adopting western culture. A culture which behaves like a cancer and eats other cultures. Destroying sex families recreation and leaving in its wake obedient workers and consumers.Good points. And don't forget the neoliberal economics at work here as well. Destroy the indigenous economy (which benefits the common small scale producers (I. E. Girls plying their trade and sending money home to their families) and replace it with a centralized economy which sucks all the profits out and sends them to the corporate center in the West.
Where is Che Guevara when you need him?
Crazy4Thai
06-21-17, 15:29
The reality of so called crackdowns in Thailand be it on drugs, gambling or the sex industry are for the most part opportunities for better connected operators to put competition out of business and if not out of business to make it as difficult as possible for them.
Who gets targeted depends on which faction is in power at any given time. Believing it to be bonafide attempts to "clean up" is naive. It is were otherwise Walking Street, Cowboy, Nana et al would be closed down overnight. Notwithstanding sporadic "raids" for the foreseeable future Thailand will continue to be a destination for adult entertainment.
The sex industry should be licensed and regulated to eliminate corruption with law enforcement concentrating on SNIP and exploitation.You and I see it the same way and you summed it up well. For those punters who think this is about moral high ground or family holidays, I say, "follow the money" This is about money and could it be that the money will be from casinos? Follow the news of Chinese tourists gambling in Macau. I believe there is a circle of extremely powerful people who are determined to open Thailand to gambling and will start with Pattaya. Somehow they have decided that the existing trade and a gambling trade cannot coexist. Perhaps they think that gamblers will not come if Pattaya has been outed by a UK media source. As a punter it is hard for me to imagine that to be true but I recognize this may just be my bias.
Banana Boi
06-21-17, 15:48
I heard the same form one of my girls about Ibar. Says it closes sometimes between 2 to 4 AM these days.
Is it all that bad if iBar closes at 3 am? It would mean girls start showing up at iBar earlier and you end up getting them in your room earlier (ie. A longer LT).
The bigger concern is the no lady drink one. How will a bar make any money? Why would a girl work in a bar if she can't make money on LD's?
Also, is barfining going to be considered prostitution? Hopefully not as bars will say girls are just going out with customers for dinner. Girls will likely be instructed they can not discuss sexual services in a bar any longer.
This is already the height of low season. My girls are truly suffering for money now. Many have already pawned off everything of any value that they own.
Member #4591
06-21-17, 16:39
Everything I have ever read on Thai visa dot com was either horse shit or only lasted for a short time. Business will be back to normal sooner than you can say 4 inches, 4 minutes, 4,000. LOL.
Mumbai Guy
06-21-17, 17:12
You and I see it the same way and you summed it up well. For those punters who think this is about moral high ground or family holidays, I say, "follow the money" This is about money and could it be that the money will be from casinos? Follow the news of Chinese tourists gambling in Macau. I believe there is a circle of extremely powerful people who are determined to open Thailand to gambling and will start with Pattaya. Somehow they have decided that the existing trade and a gambling trade cannot coexist. Perhaps they think that gamblers will not come if Pattaya has been outed by a UK media source. As a punter it is hard for me to imagine that to be true but I recognize this may just be my bias.These are nothing but arm twisting tactics, just to raise the cuts received from Agogos, bars etc. I don't think Thai authorities are too worried about some reports published in some two bit tabloids. As far as the reputation of Pattaya being a big red light district goes, the whole world knows it. These crackdowns are temporary and I am sure when the proper settlement is negotiated things will be normal again. Who says that gambling and P4P can't coexist? In fact they compliment each other.
I have no doubt this move on Soi 6 is a move on Mr F. It's embarrassing for the Thai govt when there are articles about a farang being a "king pin" of a whole strip of clubs. This may be an incremental ban targeting him. They start with a partial closure in the off season, minimizing the impact on the women, but disproportionately impacting BF.I don't think they are targeting him because he is a falang exactly. I think that has to do with it though, because if he were Thai, he would be able to manage the bars in a way that is respectful to Pattaya / Thailand reputation. But instead, he markets soi 6 as a sleazy street, then gets upset when tabloids report on the very product has knowingly put on the shelf. For example, I was walking down Soi 6 in Jan 2017 and saw a guy having full on sex right outside in the beer bar patio, huge white ass cheeks bobbing all around. It's videos / pictures like this that get leaked that are indeed very damaging to Thailand, and if they didn't 1) market Soi 6 as this kind of place and 2) actually enforced rules like not having sex right outside on the street then well, they wouldn't be having this crack down. They need Thai PR managers if they want to survive and an active Thai management of the girls and customers (not allowing them to get overly raunchy) if they want to continue to operate.
Walking Street is not safe by any means. Some gogo bars were raided a couple months ago and it will happen again. Main criteria appears to be sex on the premises. There's 1,000+ massage parlors for the cops to get to.
MrManGuy, it's about money being made by a farang over a Thai person.Ha, "sex on the premises. " No wonder Soi 6 is being raided so much, since that is what the Thais find offensive (for whatever reason, it's their country and their rules). Sometimes bargirls have sex right outside of the premise, in the road LOL, on soi 6 (alcohol, up to customer). That can't possibly be doing any good for Soi 6's reputation at this point, no wonder why they are trying to clean that up, it clearly got out of hand.
Uncle Volodya
06-21-17, 17:38
Is it all that bad if iBar closes at 3 am? It would mean girls start showing up at iBar earlier and you end up getting them in your room earlier (ie. A longer LT).
That would be ideal and a silver lining for sure.
But the talent pool will be reduced as a lot of the gogo and Soi 6 girls that go there after their bars close will no longer do so.
Maybe not a huge deal for me as most of my Ibar girls are either full time FLs or part timers up from BKK.
Still, less girls overall will make it more of a sausage fest than it already is.
Still, less girls overall will make it more of a sausage fest than it already is.Yep. Actually, you often had to wait to go there until after 2-3 AM, because that's when the guys who aren't familiar with the scene (tourists who heard about it) get fed up from standing around and leave (empty handed). Now that that isn't the case well, I wonder if ibar is even worth it. Especially considering everywhere else closes at 3 am so if you strike out there, there isn't anywhere else to go. Seems like getting laid early will be the key now, and try to beat the "last call for alcohol / pussy" crowd. Used to be, you could just wait since you had until 5 AM.
End of LDS? WTF!!?
This is Armageddon!
I heard the same form one of my girls about Ibar. Says it closes sometimes between 2 to 4 AM these days.
Some good intel on what Ibar looks like under this new regime would be greatly appreciated.LOL! I just paid for my non-refundable tix from JFK for Jan 2018. Also for 1 month at VT 6 , deposit and all.
Good thing I plan to spend 10 days in Bali before returning mid Feb.
I always knew the British owner of the Soi 6 bars would get into serious trouble. All you had to see were his Facebook posts on a daily basis aggressively promoting his girls, coupled with pics of him with local Politicians and making it pretty clear they were on his payroll.
Then the fool goes on Facebook showing his Thai wife buying a New Mercedes S 550 coupe, pictures and all. She then promptly gets called in to the local police station and the fool posts pictures of that too on his Facebook page and how she paid the fine and came right back.
It was all this in your face aggressive behavior, constant expansion (like a virus) of buying and opening more and more bars and aggressively marketing them on a daily basis via Facebook and upping the wages for the girls and soliciting more and more girls publicly on Facebook with guarantees of 25,000 baht- 40,000 baht per month.
Really foolish for a farang. One does not see Thai owners in BKK ever doing this publicly with pics of their wives then buying a new Mercedes and how concurrently they were expanding and opening a new place every 2-3 months, with pictures of them with local politicians.
He was so in your face, I used to read all the Facebook posts on all his bars (like 7-8) because I could not believe his stupidity and spent many hours talking with his young, aggressive bar managers at Ibar after 2 am ( when they were unwinding and were drunk ) and I knew then this would all go south in a hurry and the guy would either end up in jail or dead.
So. Yeah, don't blame the British tabloids. They could see all the posts of this British owner and his various bars and individual bar GM's posting everyday. This was self destructive behavior in an Asian country where he became so drunk with his own success that he openly flouted all cultural norms and brought serious trouble for the local politicians and cops (not to mention jelsously and anger from his Thai owner competitors who were seeing their $ shrink).
Banana Boi
06-21-17, 20:11
I'm hearing some Soi 6 bars have licenses to open before 6 pm. Also hearing some WS discos have licenses to open after 3 am.
Uncle Volodya
06-21-17, 22:25
LOL! I just paid for my non-refundable tix from JFK for Jan 2018. Also for 1 month at VT 6 , deposit and all.
Good thing I plan to spend 10 days in Bali before returning mid Feb.
I always knew the British owner of the Soi 6 bars would get into serious trouble. All you had to see were his Facebook posts on a daily basis aggressively promoting his girls, coupled with pics of him with local Politicians and making it pretty clear they were on his payroll.
.Fascinating stuff, my friend.
Can you share the FB link? (or PM me if you don't want to post it here). It would make interesting reading.
I have really only talked to AJ at Sexy in The City an have found him to be kind of a ditz (though basically a good guy). Did not really spend all that much time in his bar as I never found the girls at that bar to be remotely attractive.
I did like some of the girls at Nightwish though. Was Ruby one of his bars too?
Fascinating stuff, my friend.
Can you share the FB link? (or PM me if you don't want to post it here). It would make interesting reading.
I have really only talked to AJ at Sexy in The City an have found him to be kind of a ditz (though basically a good guy). Did not really spend all that much time in his bar as I never found the girls at that bar to be remotely attractive.
I did like some of the girls at Nightwish though. Was Ruby one of his bars too?Hi Uncle V: just search in Facebook with, for example: Nightwish Pattaya (or any one of his other bars). Then look at their posts and also Visitor posts, events, etc. For the stuff I was referring to it was between June 16 and February 17 (impacts with police and govt works with a lag) . And he posted there (don't know if some posts were taken down) , because I stopped looking after February 2017. If you find his posts then you can also look on his own personal page (where he for example talked about working in London over Christmas / NY (while his mgrs and wife were managing his Pattaya businesses) for big money. You will also see the evolution of the guy's persona / confidence going back in time. Also, his own and young son's passion for Thai boxing etc. (FYI, I have not looked since Feb and have no plans to revisit now, so I am recalling everything from memory and my memory on all this is very sharp and very factual). Some of the stuff I was referring to was on his own personal page which I went to after finding his posts on one of his bar pages and surfing from there. I am pretty sure I reviewed or quickly scanned every single post by him or his managers on the individual bar pages and his own personal page going back a number of months since from the very beginning I found his setup concerning because of the public nature of the Facebook posts and my professional work (and understanding of THai business culture) in Thailand going back to the late 80's.
And no, I don't believe Ruby was one of his (because I know you like that one), and I specifically looked simply out of concern for safety while at his places (I only visited his places during the day, and as you know I never do anything on premises at any of these places, as a matter of personal policy). There was one girl I was going to meet up with at Insomnia later but it did not work out as she tried to call me a different night (I posted about all that in Feb I believe). There were a couple of other girls there who I wanted to observe and buy them drinks and see if I ran into them later at Insomnia but I never hooked up with any of them.
( For those familiar with some of the guys running similar establishments in Costa Rica ( a guy got busted simply for promoting via YouTube videos and another guy / owner in San Jose who had a massage place was shot/murdered ) or in the DR where guys in Sosua just running Insomnia type bars ( who got shut down and lost huge money) or in Peru where one was doing stiff primarily via ISG and was jailed for [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) stuff even though he owned a genuine marketing business, the result of this kind of in your face behavior by farangs/ gringos often results in this sort of problems with the authorities / people in power.
And it seems the locals are very careful whereas the foreigners quickly forget where they are after living and successfully making lots of money in these kinds of establishments in foreign locales. Because they get drunk with their success and keep pushing the envelope and expanding to where it becomes a political problem. Finesse and keeping under the radar was not something these guys understood at all.
Ha, "sex on the premises. " No wonder Soi 6 is being raided so much, since that is what the Thais find offensive (for whatever reason, it's their country and their rules). Sometimes bargirls have sex right outside of the premise, in the road LOL, on soi 6 (alcohol, up to customer). That can't possibly be doing any good for Soi 6's reputation at this point, no wonder why they are trying to clean that up, it clearly got out of hand.
This better blow over or I have nothing to do. Maybe the Philippines will be my new destination? But I worry it will be shit, boring and full of middle aged women on stage.
PattayaLover
06-22-17, 06:14
I have no doubt this move on Soi 6 is a move on Mr F. How you are sure? Whether his group of bars were affected? And he is not the owner of I-bar in WS. Somewhere I read he have a plan of opening a disco like I-bar. May be it is his plot to attack his opponents in Soi 6 and I bar so that he can buy the full Soi 6 one by one and it will be easier for him to open a disco with permit for beyond 3 am. Who knows?
I do not know anything but this is my just thinking.
If anyone can confirm the nature of recent Soi6 raid (whether it was on his group bar or it was on other bar), Then we can conclude whether the move on Soi 6 is a move on Mr F.
Or the motive is purely neutral and a govt action based on some complex political reasons.
Crocodilexp
06-22-17, 07:44
Ha, "sex on the premises. " No wonder Soi 6 is being raided so much, since that is what the Thais find offensive (for whatever reason, it's their country and their rules).I don't think Thais have any cultural issue with sex on the premises, after all, all the Thai-oriented brothels (from the upcountry shacks to flashy huge buildings on Rachada) offer it.
The problems is most likely that running an outright sex establishment (e. G. Massage parlor) entails huge fees to the police (the Rachada boss Chuwit spoke about this), and also a certain degree of discretion, they're not openly soliciting punters and scandalizing passer-bys out in the street. Small take-out bars like Soi 6 try to have their cake and eat it too -- openly advertise rauchiness, while offering sex on the premises (efficient for the bar), while not paying all that much protection money to the police to justify it all.
Ibar was open till 4, Insomnia till 5 last night. Flexx club closed, JP bar closed for one month.
Can you still bar fine in gogos or is that not happening at the moment?
Christian G
06-22-17, 08:15
Club Rioja was busted today as well. Well at least we know it was open!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnlrJnO-Y1k
Can you still bar fine in gogos or is that not happening at the moment?The girls robbed me at beach club last night. Ladydrinks / barfine, everything same same before :-)
Uncle Volodya
06-22-17, 08:58
This better blow over or I have nothing to do. Maybe the Philippines will be my new destination? But I worry it will be shit, boring and full of middle aged women on stage.It seems that even with all this stuff going and Patts is still better than PI. There are still plenty of options for getting laid.
Uncle Volodya
06-22-17, 08:59
Ibar was open till 4, Insomnia till 5 last night. Flexx club closed, JP bar closed for one month.Thanks man. This is good info.
The girls robbed me at beach club last night. Ladydrinks / barfine, everything same same before :-)You mean business as usual?
Fascinating stuff, my friend.
Can you share the FB link? (or PM me if you don't want to post it here). It would make interesting reading.
I have really only talked to AJ at Sexy in The City an have found him to be kind of a ditz (though basically a good guy). Did not really spend all that much time in his bar as I never found the girls at that bar to be remotely attractive.
I did like some of the girls at Nightwish though. Was Ruby one of his bars too?Ruby isn't one of their bars. I find the nightwish group to have all the uglies, and any attractive girls move out of their group for some odd reason. As for AJ, something is wrong with that guy. He puts a lot of hustle into acting like a nice guy, but underneath he is a weasel. He and the nightwish managers love to make threats about finding people in hiding, people who "scammed" them. They think they are the coolest mafia shit ever. Just yesterday BF was saying how he wants to "shoot all the scammers. " Which is stupid, because he ran advertisements for "New Nordic Pattaya" on his website and was scamming his own members.
Uncle Volodya
06-22-17, 13:50
Ruby isn't one of their bars. I find the nightwish group to have all the uglies, and any attractive girls move out of their group for some odd reason. As for AJ, something is wrong with that guy. He puts a lot of hustle into acting like a nice guy, but underneath he is a weasel. He and the nightwish managers love to make threats about finding people in hiding, people who "scammed" them. They think they are the coolest mafia shit ever. Just yesterday BF was saying how he wants to "shoot all the scammers. " Which is stupid, because he ran advertisements for "New Nordic Pattaya" on his website and was scamming his own members.Yes I kind of got this impression from these guys and have avoided them. Also their frat boy mentality was wearing thin. I don't come to Pattaya to get shit faced with other dudes. I can do that shit at home. LOL.
Durring my last trip in May best girls on the Six were at Ruby club. They were exempt from the no upstainrs action rule.
Banana Boi
06-22-17, 14:04
Durring my last trip in May best girls on the Six were at Ruby club. They were exempt from the no upstainrs action rule.How would we know if they were really exempt or just refused to obey the bylaw, putting you at risk of being arrested?
As for Ruby Club, the last time I was there I saw a fight between 2 wanna-be muscleheads.
PattayaLover
06-22-17, 14:10
How would we know if they were really exempt or just refused to obey the bylaw, putting you at risk of being arrested?That means I can take the girl to a hotel and guesthouse and have sex. Is this Legal I. E no risk of being arrested?
Member #4591
06-22-17, 14:11
Here is an example of how this is not true. This example is from a different city in Thailand but I think with all the talk in the Pattaya thread about the chat apps and Thai Friendly, this is a good example for newbies to learn from. And I also wanted to get off the rumour bullshit that everyone read on Thai visa dot come. Ignore most of what's printed on that site and you will all be better off. Pattaya including walking street is open for business as usual including barfines and lady drinks.
I was visiting a really hot 26 year old that I met on the Thai Friendly website that everyone says does not work. We had a great time Saturday night. She showed me around to the local bars and we had a nice dinner. After dinner, there was no talk of going back to my hotel but she just continued along until we ended up back there. Very sweet girl, completely GFE. She particularily enjoyed the DATY session I gave her wiggling around on the bed until I couldn't resist any longer and we fucked in all positions until finishing in doggy. In the morning she had to work so we kissed and she promised to meet me in Bangkok soon. No money was exchanged or talked about. No photo and she is a regular girl.
Prior to our meeting, I searched the chat apps Bee talk and we chat that are crappy and don't work and are a waste of time as some members have stated. Found a very sexy massage girl as a back up plan if my date didn't come back to my hotel. So in the morning after my date left, I contacted this girl for round 2. She arrived at my hotel in 30 minutes. Great spinner body with a sexy little belly ring and an ass to die for. I couldn't resist any longer and we started dfking. I ripped her clothes off like a mad man so I could taste that little delight between her legs. I was not cumming anytime soon due to my evening escapades but not one complaint from her. Finally when I was about to cum, she pulled me out of her and sucked me completely dry swallowing every drop. Damage was 1,500 plus 100 taxi. Photos from her Bee talk attached for reference.
So I had a very successful weekend due to the chat apps and Thai Friendly website that don't work and are a waste of time. Perhaps I will continue to waste my time and get laid LOL.
Mr Enternational
06-22-17, 14:29
How would we know if they were really exempt or just refused to obey the bylaw, putting you at risk of being arrested?When in the history of Pattaya has a trick ever been arrested unless it had something to do with minors?
Banana Boi
06-22-17, 14:31
When in the history of Pattaya has a trick ever been arrested unless it had something to do with minors?OK. Good to know.
Mr Enternational
06-22-17, 14:33
So I had a very successful weekend due to the chat apps and Thai Friendly website that don't work and are a waste of time. Perhaps I will continue to waste my time and get laid LOL.You have to remember that everything isn't for everybody. YMMV.
You mean business as usual?Yes, business as usual.
Uncle Volodya
06-22-17, 15:54
How would we know if they were really exempt or just refused to obey the bylaw, putting you at risk of being arrested?
As for Ruby Club, the last time I was there I saw a fight between 2 wanna-be muscleheads.Sorry I meant to say that the best were at Red Point.
Ruby hasn't been good in ages IMHO.
Uncle Volodya
06-22-17, 15:57
Here is an example of how this is not true. This example is from a different city in Thailand but I think with all the talk in the Pattaya thread about the chat apps and Thai Friendly, this is a good example for newbies to learn from. And I also wanted to get off the rumour bullshit that everyone read on Thai visa dot come. Ignore most of what's printed on that site and you will all be better off. Pattaya including walking street is open for business as usual including barfines and lady drinks.
I was visiting a really hot 26 year old that I met on the Thai Friendly website that everyone says does not work. We had a great time Saturday night. She showed me around to the local bars and we had a nice dinner. After dinner, there was no talk of going back to my hotel but she just continued along until we ended up back there. Very sweet girl, completely GFE. She particularily enjoyed the DATY session I gave her wiggling around on the bed until I couldn't resist any longer and we fucked in all positions until finishing in doggy. In the morning she had to work so we kissed and she promised to meet me in Bangkok soon. No money was exchanged or talked about. No photo and she is a regular girl.
Prior to our meeting, I searched the chat apps Bee talk and we chat that are crappy and don't work and are a waste of time as some members have stated. Found a very sexy massage girl as a back up plan if my date didn't come back to my hotel. So in the morning after my date left, I contacted this girl for round 2. She arrived at my hotel in 30 minutes. Great spinner body with a sexy little belly ring and an ass to die for. I couldn't resist any longer and we started dfking. I ripped her clothes off like a mad man so I could taste that little delight between her legs. I was not cumming anytime soon due to my evening escapades but not one complaint from her. Finally when I was about to cum, she pulled me out of her and sucked me completely dry swallowing every drop. Damage was 1,500 plus 100 taxi. Photos from her Bee talk attached for reference.
So I had a very successful weekend due to the chat apps and Thai Friendly website that don't work and are a waste of time. Perhaps I will continue to waste my time and get laid LOL.Nice work. Yes I am warming up to the apps too and have had more and more success with them.
Why would hot girl fuck for just 1500 ?
Mr Enternational
06-23-17, 00:27
Why would hot girl fuck for just 1500 ?Probably a different reason than why they would fuck for free, as did a chick I picked up in 808 a couple weeks back. Just have not had a chance to write the report yet. That is why I said everything is not for everybody. If you find yourself even asking that question, then...
Why would hot girl fuck for just 1500 ?Because it's more than 0? Because rent is due? Because?
1500 is my max LT donation ever paid in PTY discos.
Member #4591
06-23-17, 04:38
Why would hot girl fuck for just 1500 ?First of all, it was not in Pattaya. I used this as an example in the Pattaya thread only because of the recent discussions about TF and chat apps. Economics will differ from city to city. Secondly, it has a lot to do with YMMV, don't you think?
Probably a different reason than why they would fuck for free, as did a chick I picked up in 808 a couple weeks back. Just have not had a chance to write the report yet. That is why I said everything is not for everybody. If you find yourself even asking that question, then...I only like paying for it.
First of all, it was not in Pattaya. I used this as an example in the Pattaya thread only because of the recent discussions about TF and chat apps. Economics will differ from city to city. Secondly, it has a lot to do with YMMV, don't you think?I have no clue what that means. I can only guess.
Xfreak0000
06-23-17, 16:03
Why would hot girl fuck for just 1500?I am not sure what hot girls means by the people who paid only 1500 for L / T because now the lowest rate is at least 2000 2500.
LOL! I just paid for my non-refundable tix from JFK for Jan 2018. Also for 1 month at VT 6 , deposit and all.
Good thing I plan to spend 10 days in Bali before returning mid Feb.
I always knew the British owner of the Soi 6 bars would get into serious trouble. All you had to see were his Facebook posts on a daily basis aggressively promoting his girls, coupled with pics of him with local Politicians and making it pretty clear they were on his payroll.
Then the fool goes on Facebook showing his Thai wife buying a New Mercedes S 550 coupe, pictures and all. She then promptly gets called in to the local police station and the fool posts pictures of that too on his Facebook page and how she paid the fine and came right back..Yeah I just was asking about these crackdowns. Read about it in Pattaya news. Most said nothing to worry about. Beginning to think I should of did more days in BKK. Wish I would of waited a little longer. Just booked Avani. Hopefully, it calms down.
Member #4591
06-24-17, 02:51
Yeah I just was asking about these crackdowns. Read about it in Pattaya news. Most said nothing to worry about. Beginning to think I should of did more days in BKK. Wish I would of waited a little longer. Just booked Avani. Hopefully, it calms down.
End of LDS? WTF!!?
This is Armageddon!
I heard the same form one of my girls about Ibar. Says it closes sometimes between 2 to 4 AM these days.
Some good intel on what Ibar looks like under this new regime would be greatly appreciated.
Guys, stop with the crackdown nonsense. All reports show things business as usual. Pattaya is so full of P4 P options, you will never have to worry about how to find a willing companion. Yes some Soi 6 bars may open a little later and police are cracking down on the street walkers on BR. So what. This krap about no prostitution is no different than any other time in the past. Just go to the bar, choose your girl, and bar fine her. Take her back to your hotel and do your thing. Now if you are so stupid to discuss the tiny details of what specific sex acts you want to do with the lady in an open bar for everyone to see and hear, then maybe you deserve to get busted.
Anyways, go to the beer bars, Soi 6, discos such as I bar, insomnia and the Pattaya Hollywood for freelancers. Use we chat, bee talk, Badoo, and Thai Friendly, there are thousands of ladies on the peaople nearby list. The go go bars on LK Metro, walking street. Get a dirty massage with plenty of fucking from one of the thousands of shops big and small. There are G clubs and hostess bars for the more discerning gentlemen. Pattaya will never be dead and P4 P will always be alive and kicking here.
So stop posting this shit about crackdowns, changing plans and so on. Enjoy Pattaya for all it's worth because it is business as usual for 90% of the bars, massage shops, discos, and beer bars.
Oh and by the way, I think it's hilarious when the members come on here and complain about having to buy lady drinks for the girls and then when they hear a silly rumour that lady drinks can no longer be sold, they complain about that too. You would think they would be happy about that lol.
Member #4591
06-24-17, 03:02
I have no clue what that means. I can only guess.So maybe you should study English and then read the forum section on abbreviations. That might help you to understand.
So maybe you should study English and then read the forum section on abbreviations. That might help you to understand.Do you own this forum? What right do you have to tell others what to do? I am waiting for a response, because apparently I'm not breaking any rules. So I will continue to ignore you.
I am not sure what hot girls means by the people who paid only 1500 for L / T because now the lowest rate is at least 2000 2500.Yes I wonder that too, in GoGo bars, girls with olive skin are very accessible. They're mostly gorgeous and it is like they have all taken LSD their service levels are so high. It is really only the white skinned one's catering to the Chinese that will refuse and I have to wonder why travel to Thailand for white skinned girls? Makes no sense.
Member #4591
06-24-17, 05:27
Do you own this forum? What right do you have to tell others what to do? I am waiting for a response, because apparently I'm not breaking any rules. So I will continue to ignore you.What the hell? It was my bloody post you quoted and my response was very easy to understand. Others understood it. So I gues I will have to spoon feed you then. YMMV means the girl will do it if she likes you. And my experience was in another city in Thailand. Economics means prices will vary depending on the city you are mongering in. So where 1,500 Baht may not buy you a hottie in one city, it may be more than enough money in another city. However, I posted it in the Pattaya thread because there was a lot of discussions about Thai Friendly and Chat apps so I wanted to give a good example to the members on how good they all can be. Now do you understand? If not then get google translate out and translate it into Your own language.
What the hell? It was my bloody post you quoted and my response was very easy to understand. Others understood it.Ok Mr Grumpy pants.
What the hell? It was my bloody post you quoted and my response was very easy to understand. Others understood it. So I gues I will have to spoon feed you then. YMMV means the girl will do it if she likes you. And my experience was in another city in Thailand. However, I posted it in the Pattaya thread because there was a lot of discussions about Thai Friendly and Chat apps so I wanted to give a good example to the members on how good they all can be. Now do you understand? If not then get google translate out and translate it into Your own language.Ah okay, my fault didn't realise you were so stunningly handsome! 1500 baht ! less than the price of a nice dinner :)
Member #4591
06-24-17, 05:37
Ah okay, my fault didn't realise you were so stunningly handsome! 1500 baht ! less than the price of a nice dinner :)Maybe if you RTFF you would know what the hell you were talking about. If you are jealous that you can't score freebies or YMMV, don't make stupid ass comments to the other members because they can. This is one of the many reasons that Indian punters are not well liked in Thailand by the ladies and unfortunakty you are allowing this same feeling to spill over into the forum and pretty soon you will get the same treatment here by us that you get when you try to enter a bar and they tell you members only.
Guys, stop with the crackdown nonsense. All reports show things business as usual. You seem to have a problem with any negative reports. Every report has to be very positive, it just makes me question your objectivity. I originally thought you just liked to humble-brag, which is cute, everyone has their own personality traits and I find that variety in life interesting. But now I actually question the objectivity of your reports. So the point of the forum is to share intell (free of charge at that) and use it accordingly, not to obfuscate reality or sugar-coat it. There are so many beer bar managers spitting out this garbage about how things are great (regardless of reality, no objectivity), but the more bad things get, the *more* they lie about how great things are for P4 P, quality-wise. Because their business numbers are down, rent is due, and they are under pressure to oversell how amazing a trip to Pattaya is. Can you maybe not attack those who have intell to share?
Yes some Soi 6 bars may open a little laterIt used to be that you could go there at 1:30 and by then all the non-freelance girls would be working. Now it's not until 6 pm that the full roster is available. That's a stark difference.
It also appears obvious that you are arguing with everyone, trying to derail the discussion about Pattaya crack downs. You're not even in Pattaya, haven't been in awhile, and showed up minutes after the topic was about Pattaya crackdowns. You then try to change the topic with a field report from Bangkok, use troll baiting tactics to insults newbies about how they can't achieve what you did in your report, and are still at it, trying to change the topic about the crackdowns again. You're also still engaging in bickering, as a way to derail the discussion about crackdowns.
So, you don't like discussions about crackdowns. Ok, I normally give you the benefit of the doubt that you want productive reports, and I would respect that if that were the case. However, I doubt it is, as you yourself just posted 1-2 pages of nonsense bickering and petty immature arguing with board members.
I think I've said this before but; When I was there, Soi 6 was complete rubbish, only good for a bit of a laugh and cheap sex. Some of the girls who were cute but not FKK or WS quality. Certainly not worth the trip to Thailand for Soi 6 alone. I'd say 70% of the girls on Soi 6 were ugly. But hey, it's cheap. Walking Street was on the other hand, was where I did my serious mongering and with good quality girls. Definitely worth the trip and was good value for money.
Uncle Volodya
06-24-17, 07:39
I think I've said this before but; When I was there, Soi 6 was complete rubbish, only good for a bit of a laugh and cheap sex. Some of the girls who were cute but not FKK or WS quality. Certainly not worth the trip to Thailand for Soi 6 alone. I'd say 70% of the girls on Soi 6 were ugly. But hey, it's cheap. Walking Street was on the other hand, was where I did my serious mongering and with good quality girls. Definitely worth the trip and was good value for money.I agree. It is very hit or miss. But I think around 70% of the time I have found a good girl or two and it has been a lot of fun. The other 20% I go someplace else. You have to do a lot of walking up and down that soi. LOL.
I try to hit it once a trip at least. It worked out for me well last trip as I found a very nice girl at Red Point that I found very attractive and had really good sex with. I ended up repeating with her. My buddy Illusionhreart also shagged a really love girl there during our visit.
The trip before that one short visit and I left empty handed.
It was very good in last Summer as there were a couple of really nice girls at Nightwish. They are gone now.
So worth a visit. But don't have high expectations going there.
Mr Enternational
06-24-17, 11:15
You seem to have a problem with any negative reports. Every report has to be very positive, it just makes me question your objectivity. I originally thought you just liked to humble-brag, which is cute, everyone has their own personality traits and I find that variety in life interesting. But now I actually question the objectivity of your reports. So the point of the forum is to share intell (free of charge at that) and use it accordingly,I for one understand what Bkkdog is saying. Guys are acting like it is the end of Pattaya and they have to change their trip plans because one bar closes or has different operating hours. There are so many ways to get laid in Pattaya that it should not make a difference. But guys are acting like if they can't go to a certain place at a certain time then all hope is lost for getting pussy. As I have said before all you have to do is walk outside and talk to a girl. You don't need to buy lady drinks or pay bar fines in Pattaya. It is like shooting fish in a barrel. But I guess some guys can't function unless someone else shoots the fish for them.
I for one understand what Bkkdog is saying. Guys are acting like it is the end of Pattaya and they have to change their trip plans because one bar closes or has different operating hours. There are so many ways to get laid in Pattaya that it should not make a difference. But guys are acting like if they can't go to a certain place at a certain time then all hope is lost for getting pussy. As I have said before all you have to do is walk outside and talk to a girl. You don't need to buy lady drinks or pay bar fines in Pattaya. It is like shooting fish in a barrel. But I guess some guys can't function unless someone else shoots the fish for them.The problem is that I personally found Pattaya to be perfectly priced with very little room for arbitrage. If you pay 1000 baht, you get a 1000 baht girl. If BKK has awesome skills with the ladies and can get a 6000 baht girl for 1500 baht, that's awesome for him, but it won't reflect reality for the majority of mongers.
I very strongly found that the only girls who make a trip to Thailand worthwhile are in the GoGo bars. I simply don't know where else you find well made 20 year old Thai ladies who will fuck for money.
The problem is that I noticed that many girls would only go with Japanese, Korean or Chinese men and now another problem is that there seems to be an effort to shut down GoGo bars entirely. So it's worth discussing.
The other thing is that I enjoy the party environment. I like being able to sit around, have a drink and slap girls on the ass and grab their boobs. If I just sit in my hotel and order ladies, it is still good, but not as good. My last trip was outright magical. If there are no GoGos, then the next trip won't be as magical. It is important that the GoGo bars are operational. This forum is how we get intel on that.
Mr Enternational
06-24-17, 13:08
I very strongly found that the only girls who make a trip to Thailand worthwhile are in the GoGo bars. I simply don't know where else you find well made 20 year old Thai ladies who will fuck for money.But you act like all chicks that work in gogos are mystically transported from their rooms to the gogos. They are not. They go out and eat and shop and do everything else like everybody else. There are even a few living in my building. Maybe you are getting wrapped up in the gogo itself and not the girls. As you said you like the party aspect, so maybe it is the lights, alcohol, and outfits that are making you think the girls are really more than they are. Why not approach those same girls when they are out in the daytime? You would definitely save a ton on barfines, lady drinks, and I am sure you will even have to give less than 6000 baht to the girl.
Mongerer88
06-24-17, 13:14
There is something about the personalities of many ISG guys that cause them to overreact.
I made one of my biggest mistakes ever because of it. I had a trip booked to Rio. I wasn't that thrilled about the hassle of applying for a Visa, so when several of the Termas got closed and the ISG guys said that was the beginning of the end of mongering in Rio, I took advantage of an airline schedule change and rebooked for free to another country in South America. The mongering in that other country was terrible and of course by the time I took the trip, Rio was completely back to normal. It was just a shakedown apparently for the government / police to get more money from the Termas.
Thailand is full of family friendly beach resorts, and it shows up in the scene being more hidden in Phuket. Pattaya of course gets some open minded traveling families and those are some fortunate kids who get to see some things other kids don't. But the infrastructure just isn't there to turn the place into Phuket or that other beach area nearer Bangkok (I think it begins with an H) that gets older, non mongerering, older travelers. The good beaches in Pattaya require a ferry ride, and all the good activities that appeal to both mongering guys and families (Elephant riding, fishing, wild animal parks) are available equally in Pattaya and in more traditional family areas of Thailand.
There is no logical reason for decision makers in Pattaya to make significant changes. This is just some minor publicity stunt that will be forgotten about in a few weeks.
Mr Enternational
06-24-17, 14:22
The mongering in that other country was terrible and of course by the time I took the trip, Rio was completely back to normal. It was just a shakedown apparently for the government / police to get more money from the Termas.I moved from Rio to Pattaya 7 years ago. Today's Rio is definitely not the normal Rio that I knew. But I guess it is the same as the old Pattaya guys saying that Pattaya has gone downhill, when to me it is business as usual.
I made one of my biggest mistakes ever because of it. I had a trip booked to Rio. I wasn't that thrilled about the hassle of applying for a Visa, so when several of the Termas got closed and the ISG guys said that was the beginning of the end of mongering in Rio, I took advantage of an airline schedule change and rebooked for free to another country in South America. The mongering in that other country was terrible and of course by the time I took the trip, Rio was completely back to normal. It was just a shakedown apparently for the government / police to get more money from the Termas.I just finished updating my preferred list for Brazil. I have to say that the options abound, and that Brazil is still an excellent mongering destinations, and still the best in the world for me based on my personal tastes. Things looked dire for awhile, but for mongers they're looking better each and every day. Exchange rate is also looking good right now!
UltraHappy
06-24-17, 17:43
The Cheap Charlie Chronicles just published this 11 minute YouTube snapshot of Pattaya Walking Street about 12 hours ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDxvsJ9y0II
I don't know what time this video was taken, but life in this Walking Street video certainly seems a lot more subdued than I am used to seeing in Pattaya Walking Street videos.
Was this video simply taken at a bad time of the night or are things really that subdued right now in Pattaya?
KenjiYoshioka
06-24-17, 19:40
I think I've said this before but; When I was there, Soi 6 was complete rubbish, only good for a bit of a laugh and cheap sex. Some of the girls who were cute but not FKK or WS quality. Certainly not worth the trip to Thailand for Soi 6 alone. I'd say 70% of the girls on Soi 6 were ugly. But hey, it's cheap. Walking Street was on the other hand, was where I did my serious mongering and with good quality girls. Definitely worth the trip and was good value for money.That's certainly what it seemed like to me. When I was in Pats last summer, I walked up and down Soi 6 a few times on a couple of different days. I didn't really see any girls that I wanted to fuck. I had a few girls run out into the street and try to pull me into a bar, but the pushiness made me want to walk.
Guys, stop with the crackdown nonsense. All reports show things business as usual. Pattaya is so full of P4 P options, you will never have to worry about how to find a willing companion.Here here. Exactly. I have concerns, but even if Soi 6 bars never open until 6 PM and all will refuse upstairs activities, and regardless of LDs, Pattaya will still be the premier place to go for mongering. I am already planning my 6th trip for the last half of October and first part of November. I am likely to get wet in October, but I have other unbreakable plans for mid-November, so I am pretty much stuck with October / November. Anyway, I am not traveling 12 time zones expecting the city to be shut down.
The Cheap Charlie Chronicles just published this 11 minute YouTube snapshot of Pattaya Walking Street about 12 hours ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDxvsJ9y0II
I don't know what time this video was taken, but life in this Walking Street video certainly seems a lot more subdued than I am used to seeing in Pattaya Walking Street videos.
Was this video simply taken at a bad time of the night or are things really that subdued right now in Pattaya?The earlier closing times is a gods gift. So much more pussy on the streets after closing time that it is not too difficult to score for a way lower price than before. That is also why I love the up country midnight closing times so much. Less spending on LD's and more quality time before I go asleep.
I am not sure what hot girls means by the people who paid only 1500 for L / T because now the lowest rate is at least 2000 2500.You assume that the lowest rate you get is the lowest rate.
Perhaps you just need to act a bit less horny? I bring a mate to PTY about once a year. Not an inexperienced monger by any means, but unfortunately in the discos he has got "horny" written all over his forehead and he constantly gets quoted 2-2. 5, no budging.
When you are negotiating with a used car dealer, do you tell him how hot the car is and how much you want to drive it home now?
Banana Boi
06-25-17, 00:37
Was this video simply taken at a bad time of the night or are things really that subdued right now in Pattaya?Since the lights are off and there is a car driving on Walking Street, this video was shot after Walking Street CLOSED. I asked a gogo girl how Pattaya was now. Her reply "This is low low season".
I can't stay up until 3 am. Usually go to bed then, in Pattaya. Ideally, go to sleep 12.
So, finally I got my lazy ass off to contribute with a report! I guess what's what Thailand ISGers do in the afternoon LOL.
Landed at DMK airport and the immigration / passport control was a clusterfuck of chaos. Several hundreds of people were there in a small hall without any line divider or directions with huge Chinese tour groups with little sense of lining up or personal space. It took close to two hours to get through the passport control. Once I got out was surrounded by taxi mobs. After a bargain hunt, a seedy looking guy called 1600 THB, which I settled on, but then he led me to underground parking lot and put me in a tiny beat up Corolla. I guess it wasn't so smart of me. But then he took me to his garage and switched to a better SUV. Next time, I think I'll take Uber.
It took quite long to get to Pattaya, but finally got there, checked into a nice hotel. Siam at Siam. Thanks to ISG, I got connected to one of the member whom I had arranged to go bar-hopping together. The traffic was pretty bad, so he suggest I take a motorbike to meet him at LK Metro. It was quite an adventure and a miracle that I didn't fall off, but I eventually met my wingman at Touch Agogo. On the way, I wanted to pickup a blue pill to help my performance to overcome jet lag. I've tried few pharmacy where they gave me to look and shook head. Hmm I thought they gave it like candies here. Finally found a seedy-looking place where they generic 4-packs at 900 THB. At 9:00 PM, many places around LK Metro was practically void of customers. Line up wasn't all that great and the girls looked line in late 20's and 30's. We went through several bars then went over to Walking Street. It looked alot more livery there and girls were better looking. And you guys were right. Agogo girls were pretty hot and I could find at least one 9's and above per bars that we've visited.
We wanted to get two girls and fuck together / swap, but most girls were not up for it. In fact, many girls who would oggle us would say flat out NO when we asked for a foursome. We must went through close to 10 bars looking for two girls until around 2:00 AM, my buddy were able to butter up a mamasan to find girls who are willing to do a foursome. But at some point, the deal went from getting a girl each to getting TWO girls per guy. A sixsome MFFMFF! Talk about feeling like a gangsta! He also booked a nice hotel with jacuzzi where we can all join in. The girls would not BBBJ but that's understandable given the crowd.
Viagra wasn't really kicking in or I was way too tired I knew I only had, but I was able to fuck all four girls. My buddy, who took Cialis, was going at girls like a jack rabbit well after I was done, and then immediately passed out. I guess he gave it all LOL. I spent time chatting with the girls and ordering a roomservice for food. I thought about going for another shot in the morning, but the girls looked so worn out, I didn't have the heart to wake them up. Eventually we all got up and said farewells.
No BBBJ? That is not good. When I was there, all the girls would BBBJ, I just made sure to mention it first. They all did CIM too, just make sure to mention it first.
One question. A few of the Agogo girl that I connected really well, after all that ogling and lady drinks, when it came to bar fining them, said they cannot come with me today. Did get scammed or can it really happen that the girls inside Agogo may not be available for LT?
I wake them up, IMHO, they expect it. And you paid for it, so why not? I woke one of mine up and she kept saying "jeep jeep" I was thinking to myself "what is jeep?" then the next day I realised she was saying "sleep, sleep".
One question. A few of the Agogo girl that I connected really well, after all that ogling and lady drinks, when it came to bar fining them, said they cannot come with me today. Did get scammed or can it really happen that the girls inside Agogo may not be available for LT?You got scammed.
You shouldn't be paying more than 200 for a generic 4 pack of viagra. They call it Sidegra. And you don't need to go to a seedy place to get it. Try a real pharmacy, and just ask for it by name.
It took quite long to get to Pattaya, but finally got there, checked into a nice hotel. Siam at Siam. Thanks to ISG, I got connected to one of the member whom I had arranged to go bar-hopping together. The traffic was pretty bad, so he suggest I take a motorbike to meet him at LK Metro. It was quite an adventure and a miracle that I didn't fall off, but I eventually met my wingman at Touch Agogo. On the way, I wanted to pickup a blue pill to help my performance to overcome jet lag. I've tried few pharmacy where they gave me to look and shook head. Hmm I thought they gave it like candies here. Finally found a seedy-looking place where they generic 4-packs at 900 THB. At 9:00 PM, many places around LK Metro was practically void of customers. Line up wasn't all that great and the girls looked line in late 20's and 30's. We went through several bars then went over to Walking Street. It looked alot more livery there and girls were better looking. And you guys were right. Agogo girls were pretty hot and I could find at least one 9's and above per bars that we've visited.
You shouldn't be paying more than 200 for a generic 4 pack of viagra. They call it Sidegra. And you don't need to go to a seedy place to get it. Try a real pharmacy, and just ask for it by name.I did go to legit pharmacies. Boots in a mall and another. They all gave me indignant stare and told me that I need a prescription. Only the seedy looking one near LK Metro with a sign outside that says "VIAGRA / CIALIS" sold them to me.
So Sidegra doesn't require a prescription? How does it compare to real Viagra / Cialis?
Eszpresszo
06-25-17, 15:39
I did go to legit pharmacies. Boots in a mall and another. They all gave me indignant stare and told me that I need a prescription. Only the seedy looking one near LK Metro with a sign outside that says "VIAGRA / CIALIS" sold them to me.
So Sidegra doesn't require a prescription? How does it compare to real Viagra / Cialis?Sidegra is a generic version of Sildenafil, which is the active ingredient in Viagra. The difference is the same as the difference between Tylenol and generic Walmart brand Acetaminophen. Sildenafil is marketed under different brand names like Kamagra, or just Sildenafil. In Colombia it is known as Sildenafilo and legit, chain pharmacies sell it there without proscription or attitude. Same in the Dominican Republic, but it has a different manufacturer. Both are manufactured like a blue Viagra pill, but you don't have the same choices of dosage as you would in the US. Note the photo below with the 50 MG pill in the middle and the larger Dominican 100 MG at the bottom. You have to adjust your dosage manually, like eating two Colombians if you need 100 MG or splitting the larger Dominican pill if you only 50 MG.
Cialis is made from an entirely different compound, Tadalafil. It has some distinct advantages, like less side effects, not as impacted by eating and drinking alcohol and a half life of 18 hours, which is supposed to do you for the weekend. However, it doesn't work that well for me and others. I have bought the Kamagra gel off Sukhumvit Rd in BKK with some concerns. Yet it worked well for me, plus it is faster acting, and you don't need water to wash it down. I have no experience with those other compounds like Black Ant or Mambo 36, which have some dubious ingredients in with legitimate ED compounds. Others might share their experience beyond the hype.
Member #4591
06-25-17, 16:20
One question. A few of the Agogo girl that I connected really well, after all that ogling and lady drinks, when it came to bar fining them, said they cannot come with me today. Did get scammed or can it really happen that the girls inside Agogo may not be available for LT?
You got scammed.
You didn't get scammed. The ladies would have gone with you ST but many cannot do LT due to boyfriends, girlfriends, day jobs, and pure economic reasons. When they can do 3 STs at 2,500-3,500, why would the girl want to do a LT for even 5,000? If she's hot enough, she would rather do 3 guys ST for 7,500-10,500 than 1 guy for 3,500-5,000. If the girl is average, she will take the 2,500-3,500 LT.
I hope this makes sense. Now if she flat out refused to go with you even ST, then I would say you either got scammed, or the ladies in question were no-barfinable coyotes, which some forum members say don't exist except in the Arab bars on Soi Cowboy, or they simply didn't like you enough to have sex with you but were willing to take your money for LDs. It also possible that you lowballed them for LT and it turned them off you. If some ladies think you are stingy, Keneow in Thai, they won't go with you.
However, you did say they refused LT so the reasons I stated why ladies don't go LT are probably one of the reasons they didn't go with you.
Member #4591
06-25-17, 16:34
The Cheap Charlie Chronicles just published this 11 minute YouTube snapshot of Pattaya Walking Street about 12 hours ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDxvsJ9y0II
I don't know what time this video was taken, but life in this Walking Street video certainly seems a lot more subdued than I am used to seeing in Pattaya Walking Street videos.
Was this video simply taken at a bad time of the night or are things really that subdued right now in Pattaya?Here is his most recent video of walking street and it is jammed packed. Certainly looks like business as usual to me.
https://youtu.be/occiSzzHr90
Banana Boi
06-25-17, 16:50
When they can do 3 STs at 2,500-3,500, why would the girl want to do a LT for even 5,000?You and Syzy mentioned gogo girls doing 3 STs per day. Maybe I'm blind but I really don't notice multiple ST for Pattaya gogo girls, except at Windmill. Possibly because the Japanese in the bars I go to all do LT?
One question. A few of the Agogo girl that I connected really well, after all that ogling and lady drinks, when it came to bar fining them, said they cannot come with me today. Did get scammed or can it really happen that the girls inside Agogo may not be available for LT?
There aren't nearly as many coyote girls in Pattaya gogo bars as Bangkok but I do agree with BKKdog that an offer of less than 5k per girl may have turned the gogo girl away, especially if she is a top girl from a top bar. If she rejected your LT once you mentioned that 2 guys were going to fuck her that is totally understandable. Did you ask if they would go LT with just yourself?
Uncle Volodya
06-25-17, 21:48
We wanted to get two girls and fuck together / swap, but most girls were not up for it. In fact, many girls who would oggle us would say flat out NO when we asked for a foursome. We must went through close to 10 bars looking for two girls until around 2:00 AM, my buddy were able to butter up a mamasan to find girls who are willing to do a foursome. But at some point, the deal went from getting a girl each to getting TWO girls per guy. A sixsome MFFMFF! Talk about feeling like a gangsta! He also booked a nice hotel with jacuzzi where we can all join in. The girls would not BBBJ but that's understandable given the crowd.
Wow! That sounds like quite a memorable intro to Pattaya. Well done, sir!
I'm curious as to the bar where you hooked this up. If this is with Gogo girls it must have cost you quite a pretty penny. But the memory will live on for eternity.
As for Viagra and Cialis they are available at most normal looking mom and pop pharmacies. The big chains may give you trouble but the smaller places on 2nd road or Soi Bukhao won't even bat an eyelid.
Stay horny my friend and enjoy the rest of your trip!
After I wobbled my way to my hotel, I caught an early breakfast at 6:00 am and went to sleep. Woke up around 2:00 PM and had a lunch at Central Marina mall.
Since I had a pretty wild night previously, I wanted to chill a little bit and visit one of the soapy massage place. Saba Dee was practically across a block from my hotel (Siam at Siam), so I decided to give it a try. It was 2:30 PM and the place looked half empty, but I did find a busty (everyone there seemed busty, infact) young girl. 26 years old about 7. 5 in looks. I paid 2500 THB, and we went upstairs.
It took a bit to prep the room and get everything ready, but eventually we got into action. I went into a foamy tub where she washed me, but it was like a regular wash with nothing naughty. On the air mattress the fun began where she rubbed me and massaged me with her big boobs (C-the cup), legs, and crouches. It got me nice and hard and we were at it for a good 20 minutes. Then she rinsed me up, and went to bed for the real action. The ceiling above the bed a mirror which gave me a good viewing of the action. On comes the condom. Wait. What? Apparently she doesn't do BBBJ which is strange since I am as clean as can be. She doesn't kiss either and not GFE at all. Ah well. After a boring CBJ, I somehow maintained my erection so she mounted me CG. She was quite muscular and pumped me away. I switched to mish and pounded her until I came. We washed up and came downstairs.
I wasn't feeling well and my shoulder was killing me even after the soapy massage. So I decided to get a real massage. Went to a massage place where I got 1 hour foot and 30 min shoulder massage, came back to my hotel, grabbed some finger food and took a nap.
I had a high expectations for the evenings because in the morning I did get in connection with two hot girls from Thai Friendly. One of them even quoted me 2000 THB for ST and 3000 THB for LT! But my luck would have it, both of them flaked out on me. One said she's busy today and can only do dinner (what?) and others went radio silence until around 1:00 AM that night. I was scheduled to meet again with my buddy, but my stomach was killing me, so I slept till 9:00 PM. I am not sure if it was due to jetlag, drinking too much, or viagra.
Around 9:00 PM, I felt a little better, so got up and went to the nearby pharmacy. He sold me a tiny pill for stomach pain, which worked well, and also sold me Cialis, which came out to be 1200 THB. I couldn't get in touch with my buddy, so I headed out to Walking Street alone. It was around 10:30 PM, and I had an early excursion tomorrow, so I didn't have much time. But I did check out most of the Agogos I had it in my list. Heaven Above had nice settings and white lingerie were quite sexy, but it was also quite dead and had a disappointing LU (girls were older and 6-7's). Mandarine also had so-so LUs. SkyFall was quite nice with young girls, but I didn't really connect. I went through 3-4 more Agogos, and finally decided to give Infinity a try. It was a club-like setting with lasers shooting for nice effect. The girls were incredibly hot and I could easily find 4-6 girls in 8's and 9's.
One of the girl, named Annie (greeted me and unlike other girls in skimpy black bikinis, she was in a classy party dress, which stood out to me. We seemed to connect well, so I bar fined her. She could only do ST, but I guess I needed to sleep early too. Damage was around 4500 THB (1500 BF and 3000ST), and I was asked to pay mamasan. We rode the motorbike to my hotel and when we entered my room, she spent first 10 minutes on her phone. Uh-oh. The friendly attitude had disappeared and she was fridged as hell. She asked for a TV remote and began watching TV while asking me to shower first. I wanted to take bath together, but she didn't even want to shower together! Aw well, eventually we both washed up and she slid inside the bed and put blankets over. WTF.
So I took the lead and removed blanket to show nice tight body with A-cups. She didn't do DFK (surprise! But responded well to my sucking her nipples and fingering her. I wanted to DATY her, and as I went toward her pussy. HOLY SHIT THE STINKING FISH SMELL! So I went back to sucking her boobs and fingering her. Mounted her chest and stuck my dick and she surprisingly accepted without much fanfare. Face fucked her for about 10 minutes and it was getting nice and hot. We went into 69 where I fingered her mostly and she kept using her hands instead of mouth. So I asked for the condom and she didn't have any. WTF?! Fortunately, I took you guy's advice and brought my own condoms from US. She mounted me CG and it was very tight. After fucking for a while, I rose up and switched to K9. She seemed to enjoy that quite a bit and the viagra I took (I am saving Cialis for tomorrow) was helping me pound away at her. I lifted one of her leg above and made her lay sidways and went in for deeper penetration. She was moaning louder and I was jack hammering her away until I finished her. (I wrote WAY too much details on the action. Am I allowed?
I washed up and nodding away in the bed when she woke me up. Time for her to go. Signed her out and that's for the second day.
After I wobbled my way to my hotel, I caught an early breakfast at 6:00 am and went to sleep. Woke up around 2:00 PM and had a lunch at Central Marina mall.
Since I had a pretty wild night previously, I wanted to chill a little bit and visit one of the soapy massage place. Saba Dee was practically across a block from my hotel (Siam at Siam), so I decided to give it a try. It was 2:30 PM and the place looked half empty, but I did find a busty (everyone there seemed busty, infact) young girl. 26 years old about 7. 5 in looks. I paid 2500 THB, and we went upstairs.
It took a bit to prep the room and get everything ready, but eventually we got into action. I went into a foamy tub where she washed me, but it was like a regular wash with nothing naughty. On the air mattress the fun began where she rubbed me and massaged me with her big boobs (C-the cup), legs, and crouches. It got me nice and hard and we were at it for a good 20 minutes. Then she rinsed me up, and went to bed for the real action. The ceiling above the bed a mirror which gave me a good viewing of the action. On comes the condom. Wait. What? Apparently she doesn't do BBBJ which is strange since I am as clean as can be. She doesn't kiss either and not GFE at all. Ah well. After a boring CBJ, I somehow maintained my erection so she mounted me CG. She was quite muscular and pumped me away. I switched to mish and pounded her until I came. We washed up and came downstairs.
I wasn't feeling well and my shoulder was killing me even after the soapy massage. So I decided to get a real massage. Went to a massage place where I got 1 hour foot and 30 min shoulder massage, came back to my hotel, grabbed some finger food and took a nap.
I had a high expectations for the evenings because in the morning I did get in connection with two hot girls from Thai Friendly. One of them even quoted me 2000 THB for ST and 3000 THB for LT! But my luck would have it, both of them flaked out on me. One said she's busy today and can only do dinner (what?) and others went radio silence until around 1:00 AM that night. I was scheduled to meet again with my buddy, but my stomach was killing me, so I slept till 9:00 PM. I am not sure if it was due to jetlag, drinking too much, or viagra...Nothing worse than the smell of tuna! Ugh!
Banana Boi
06-26-17, 03:25
Saba Dee......It was 2:30 PM and the place looked half empty.......On comes the condom. Wait. What? Apparently she doesn't do BBBJ which is strange since I am as clean as can be. She doesn't kiss either and not GFE at all. Ah well. After a boring CBJ, I somehow maintained my erection so she mounted me CG. She was quite muscular and pumped me away. I switched to mish and pounded her until I came. We washed up and came downstairs.
The soapies (Sabai Dee, Sabai Resort, Honey 2, and Rasputin) are all around your hotel. They start to get busy after 5 pm and prime time is around 7 pm. DO NOT expect BBBJ and DFK from any of these girls without either a bit of coercing, charm, or extra cash. These are primarily tourist joints catered to Indian and Chinese tourists.
I headed out to Walking Street alone. It was around 10:30 PM, and I had an early excursion tomorrow, so I didn't have much time. But I did check out most of the Agogos I had it in my list. Heaven Above had nice settings and white lingerie were quite sexy, but it was also quite dead and had a disappointing LU (girls were older and 6-7's). Mandarine also had so-so LUs. SkyFall was quite nice with young girls, but I didn't really connect. I went through 3-4 more Agogos, and finally decided to give Infinity a try. It was a club-like setting with lasers shooting for nice effect. The girls were incredibly hot and I could easily find 4-6 girls in 8's and 9's.
Curious how Heaven Above got on your list. One of the few gogo bars I only went to once. Mandarin has had a poor lineup since January when old mamasan took all the hot girls with her. You may want to consider Sapphire, Fahrenheit, What's Up, and Sensations if you're heading to WS again.
The soapies (Sabai Dee, Sabai Resort, Honey 2, and Rasputin) are all around your hotel. They start to get busy after 5 pm and prime time is around 7 pm. DO NOT expect BBBJ and DFK from any of these girls without either a bit of coercing, charm, or extra cash. These are primarily tourist joints catered to Indian and Chinese tourists.
Curious how Heaven Above got on your list. One of the few gogo bars I only went to once. Mandarin has had a poor lineup since January when old mamasan took all the hot girls with her. You may want to consider Sapphire, Fahrenheit, What's Up, and Sensations if you're heading to WS again.Welp soapy massage was just to get if off of my list.
Thanks for Agogo recommendations! I've done extensive internet research but I guess many of them are either shills or outdated. I'll be sure to check out your recommendations. While at it, can you recommend me any Agogo bars where I can find A-level service? The mamasan at Infinity freaked out a little when I told her I'm looking for A-level girls. I'd try Devil's Den as the last resort, but I heard LU wasn't all that good there.
I found a beautiful freelancer girl, in club insomnia, I knew her earlier.
She works in a similar agency like Thai sexy: https://www.ichwuerde.com/de/companion/detail/77.
I pay 3 k bath for short and we spend time with her after. A few hours, eating and other, without interference and extra costs for this agency. I think, have good deal.
UltraHappy
06-27-17, 03:41
Cheap Charlie just posted another Pattaya Walking Street video, showing Walking Street closing early, titled, "Is Pattaya Doomed?
https://goo.gl/G4Mojo
The commentary introduction to his video reads as follows:
Some big changes are taking place in Pattaya, Soi 6 has been ordered to open at 6 pm versus noon time, Walking Street ordered to close at 3 AM. Also even bigger than all of this is that there will be no new licenses for go gos and other entertainment establishments. If all of this remains it will be a huge blow to the city.
Cheap Charlie asks, "Is this the beginning of the end?
-End Excerpt.
Seriously, no new licenses? With the shortened opening times, many of the smaller bars will close down as they weren't that profitable to begin with.
Scary stuff. Pattaya was lined up as one of my future retirement venues for 3 months out of the year (when that day finally comes). It looks like I may have to cross Pattaya off my list of retirement cities before I even reach my retirement age. Damn!
Member #4591
06-27-17, 04:58
Cheap Charlie just posted another Pattaya Walking Street video, showing Walking Street closing early, titled, "Is Pattaya Doomed?
https://goo.gl/G4Mojo
The commentary introduction to his video reads as follows:
Some big changes are taking place in Pattaya, Soi 6 has been ordered to open at 6 pm versus noon time, Walking Street ordered to close at 3 AM. Also even bigger than all of this is that there will be no new licenses for go gos and other entertainment establishments.
Cheap Charlie asks, "Is this the beginning of the end?
-End Excerpt.
Seriously, no new licenses? With the shortened opening times, many of the smaller bars will close down as they weren't that profitable to begin with.
Scary stuff. Pattaya was lined up as one of my future retirement venues for 3 months out of the year (when that day finally comes). It looks like I may have to cross Pattaya off my list of retirement cities before I even reach my retirement age. Damn!Let's try to look at this more objectively. If you look at Bangkok, the majority of the bars must close at 2 AM. However Mixx club and CH Agogo are regularily open to 3 or 4 AM. I suspect the same for Pattaya for a few places. Secondly for you to cross Pattaya off you list because Soi 6 is not open before 6 PM or the Walking Street bars close at 3 AM would be kinda ridiculous. If you can't find something to do in Pattaya between 6 PM and 3 AM, then I would suspect you couldn't find it anywhere. There are plenty of options there for P4 P. Online, chat apps, beer bars, Go go bars, discos, Soi 6, and massage. If you are that in need of actionnafter 3 AM, you will find it on We Chat or even just grabbing some food in a local restaurant. It's so easy to meet ladies in Pattaya. Hope that helps!
Mr Enternational
06-27-17, 06:36
Secondly for you to cross Pattaya off you list because Soi 6 is not open before 6 PM or the Walking Street bars close at 3 AM would be kinda ridiculous.It would be really ridiculous seeing that most people that live in Pattaya only go out to those places every blue moon. Do people that live in Orlando go to Disney all the time? When you live somewhere you do things differently than those visiting.
So the day started out with a 3-islands tour cruise. Before coming to Pattaya and previous days here, I was hoping to find a girl who would go with me, but I wasn't so successful, so I just went alone. I really wanted to find a booze / party / naughty cruise, but surprisingly I was unable to find any in Pattaya. I did hear there's a one-time booze cruise event happening on the night after my departure Anyways, it's nice sailing in a motored catamaran through islands, but the water was murky and current was too strong for snorkeling. The boat was filled Chinese / Korean groups and other Farangs and few childrens.
Once I returned to my hotel around 6:00 PM, I ate dinner and went out for a walk around Soi 2 for a nice oil massage to help with my skin, which was under the strong sun all day. The street had several massage places trying to lure me in. I walked into one close to Siam@Siam, and this not-so-attractive lady took me in and kept hinting... No, pushing me for "additional" services. But she did give me a nice coconut oil massage. Even if I was in the mood, I wouldn't have gone for it inside thin curtain-covered mattress with several other Chinese / Korean guys within the earshot. Do they really do that there, separated by a paper-thin curtains where girls just open & close all the time?
Around 9:30 PM, I decided to hit up Walking Street. I was rather determined to get a wild PSE service and if I couldn't find a young hottie in WS to do it, I was planning on to go to Devil's Den and settle it there. Banana Boi was spot-on with Agogo recommendations. All the Agogos he had listed had a great LU. I eventually settled on Sensations. It was strange because unlike many Agogos, they didn't have any hot girls outside trying to lure customers in. I saw the place earlier, but wasn't even sure if it was open. Anyways many hot young girls dancing there looking 8's and some 9's. Taking the ISG advice, I immediately bought server and mamasan a lady drink to butter them up. Then I asked mamasan if she knew any girls that does A-level service. She didn't understand what that meant. Hmm. Eventually I gave up modesty and flat out asked "ANAL SEX!" She looked surprised, and didn't know any girl off her head, but asked me to choose a girl and she would ask. Saw a hot looking girl on the dance floor, which mamasan pulled out and asked her something in Thai. The girl smiled shyly and nodded. Good sign! I bought the girl and mamasan another round and things are going well. I wanted to spend my last night in Pattaya with a bit more fan fare. I ask the girl, Eve, if she had any "friend" there who wanted to join us. She introduced me to Leia. With HUGE boobs. My expectations are getting higher, and I buy more lady drinks for girls, servers, and mamasan. Everyone looked pleased. Time to wrap up, and the damage came out to 1,500 in drinks, 1500 BF + 5000 LT for Eve, and 1500 BF + 3000ST for Leia. I took care of it and we all headed out to my hotel.
On the way to hotel, I noticed Eve was getting more and more cold feet. Uh-oh. Leia still looks into it. Good thing I brought her. In the room, they don't want to take bath together, which is a shame. I specifically booked executive corner suite with large tub for the purpose. In fact, Eve doesn't even want me to look at her when she undresses and locks the bathroom door when she takes shower! Leia was much more open and takes shower with me. On the bed, they both lie down in towel and bedsheet. I open them up like a present and begin massaging their breasts together. They both doesn't want to kiss and refuse BBBJ. This is looking worse by the minute. I wrap up and have Eve blow me and then fuck Eve CG as I finger Leia and suck her ample see-cup breast. I switch to eat out Leia while fucking Eve. Leia smells much better than the previous girl and I finger her ass a bit. Switching up the girls, I fuck Leia CG while sucking on Eve's nipples and fingering her. I poke at Eve's ass which she slaps away. I also eat out Eve while fucking Leia and it's getting good. I switched up to k9 fucking Leia and have Eve stand over her so I can kiss her breast and finger her at the same time. After giving a good pounding, I finally finish.
After washing up, I expected Leia to leave, since she's ST, and Eve to stay and may be I will take her to drinking at the roof top bar. But no such luck. Eve wants to leave as well. At my protest, Eve suggests returning 2000 THB. I didn't like it, but probably nothing good would come from holding onto her, so I let them go. They had the nerve to ask for taxi fee.
Well a lesson learned. If a girl shows a slightest hesitation or "modesty" in the bar, it's not because she's shy or modest. It's because she's going to flake out on you. I guess you can't have pretty young thing and performance / PSE together. I thought about going to Devil's Den and find an ugly girl to fuck in the ass, but it's 2:00 AM, I'm tired, and I'm heading out to Bangkok tomorrow. So my days at Pattaya comes to an unsatisfying end.
Franciscass
06-27-17, 07:47
The availability of P4P action is not so much determined by the number of locations open but by the number of girls working, where they locate and in which part of the business they ply their trade.
Pattaya will quite likely evolve over time and become less dependent on adult entertainment but for the foreseeable future it will continue to be home for a high percentage of working girls and anybody thinking of visiting or retiring there should not be put off by alarmist posts.
Changes in opening hours in some places simply means you have to look elsewhere during that time period. Girls who worked Soi 6 in the afternoon will find some other way to meet customers possibly online, maybe freelancing on beach road or hanging out in some other bars that remain open.
If you can't get laid in Pattaya any time of the day or night it's not because of any recent changes. The answer lies elsewhere.
I planned my Pattaya trip because I heard it's where I can get sex-crazed hotties at a fraction of cost back at home. Reading many blogs describing where these 18 years old model-quality girls would throw themselves at you (a bit of exaggerations here. May be for Brad Pitt-like Farangs) and let you fuck you in all holes kinda set me up for a wrong expectations.
Also coming to Pattaya, I guess was torn between finding a girl to tour together, have romantic time, and sex. Versus finding a hot girl for PSE anal orgy. I later realized that I do not have time to find this special girl in Thai Friendly with my itinerary.
- Bar hopping isn't really my idea of fun. I'm not really into drinking (although I can drink considerably), and I'd much rather pick up a hot girl ASAP and fuck her than sipping drinks while eyeing girls dancing.
- Find the naughtiest Agogo girl instead of innocent / modest looking girls. The latter will flake out on you.
- Connecting to an ISG member really made my trip. My trip was rather. Umm discreet and I don't have any buddy who can do sex tour together. My ISG buddy really helped me get started, took me bar hopping, and helped me cross MFFFFM my bucket list.
- Most Agogos are quite unfamiliar to anything other than vanilla one-on-one normal sex, or may be FMF sex without lesbo sex. If you want anything more hardcore, try Devil's Den or hire girls from escort services. Unless the service is listed in writing, don't expect to deliver.
- Siam at Siam was an awesome hotel. I loved the rooftop bar and pools, and club amenities gave me great food and drinks included. The only downside was it's a bit far from WS, and there were tiny ants, even on the 16th floor!
Anyways, these are my takeaways. I could be wrong, and YMMV. Thanks ISG members for their valuable info!
UltraHappy
06-27-17, 12:43
Thank you for all of your enlightening posts Mander. It seems that the hotties at the gogo bars are all charging you more than 100 Euro / ST after including their substantial bar fine of 1500 baht. I know many guys here report getting girls for much cheaper than this, but for those tourists only interested in the best looking girls at the gogo bars, I am forced to ask myself why I would travel all the way to Asia, only to end up paying more than I would for at an FKK, where the price for ST (1 hour) is only 100 Euros.
Since I'm already getting GFE from my FKK girls at 100 Euros / hour, I'm having a hard time justifying flying even further away to Asia, only to end up paying more than what I am paying now. The initial draw for me to Thailand was the possibility of getting the same services but at a substantial discount over what I am currently paying. But based on Mander's posts which reveal the current prices for top gogo girls, it sounds like that was all just a pipe dream, at least for the occasional tourist.
Let's try to look at this more objectively. for you to cross Pattaya off you list because Soi 6 is not open before 6 PM or the Walking Street bars close at 3 AM would be kinda ridiculous. If you can't find something to do in Pattaya between 6 PM and 3 AM, then I would suspect you couldn't find it anywhere. It's so easy to meet ladies in Pattaya. Hope that helps!Yes, I know very well that I would be able to find action no problem right now in Pattaya. My repost of the Cheap Charlie Chronicles video and my commentary was more about lamenting about the possible future state of Pattaya if the current actions are signs of things to come. Yes, I know I can play there right now, but what about 5 years from now? 10 years from now?
Some of us are just become worried and sad when we see these kind of things happen to one of the best-known hobby spots in the world. What is the world coming to? It would be nice if some other spots in the world rose up to take a city's place when one city bites the dust but we don't see any new places popping up anywhere in the world. Instead, we only see one city after another biting the dust. I am going to go put on my sad face now.
Member #4698
06-27-17, 14:46
Thank you for all of your enlightening posts Mander. It seems that the hotties at the gogo bars are all charging you more than 100 Euro / ST after including their substantial bar fine of 1500 baht. I know many guys here report getting girls for much cheaper than this, but for those tourists only interested in the best looking girls at the gogo bars, I am forced to ask myself why I would travel all the way to Asia, only to end up paying more than I would for at an FKK, where the price for ST (1 hour) is only 100 Euros.
Since I'm already getting GFE from my FKK girls at 100 Euros / hour, I'm having a hard time justifying flying even further away to Asia, only to end up paying more than what I am paying now. The initial draw for me to Thailand was the possibility of getting the same services but at a substantial discount over what I am currently paying. But based on Mander's posts which reveal the current prices for top gogo girls, it sounds like that was all just a pipe dream, at least for the occasional tourist.If more guys begin to think like you and decide to go elsewhere then economic theory would predict that aggregate demand will decline and cause prices to fall. Great! But there is one small fly in the ointment; I do not believe Caucasians and sub continent Asians are driving the price. It's the rather recent influx of north east Asian dudes from China, Korea, and Japan that are primarily responsible for driving up price and tolerating lower service quality and there is not a damn thing we can do about that.
I take note of your point of view; "the initial draw for me to Thailand was the possibility of getting the same services but at a substantial discount over what I am currently paying (in Germany). " So in your case I would say yes, forget abuut LOS and go somewhere else. But I have a different point of view: I prefer Asian girls (Thai, Indonesian, Khmer, Filipina, and Chinese) over Caucasian girls 10 to 1. So for me, there is no substitution. Well almost no substitution. I do like South American girls (Brazil, Columbia, Argentina, and Chile) too. 555.
Banana Boi
06-27-17, 14:54
I planned my Pattaya trip because I heard it's where I can get sex-crazed hotties at a fraction of cost back at home. Reading many blogs describing where these 18 years old model-quality girls would throw themselves at you (a bit of exaggerations here. May be for Brad Pitt-like Farangs) and let you fuck you in all holes kinda set me up for a wrong expectations. <snip> Find the naughtiest Agogo girl instead of innocent / modest looking girls. The latter will flake out on you.The key to success with a Thai girl is to make them feel comfortable and the ability to make them laugh. That's when you will get the most from a Thai girl. Asking them to do 3 somes or having 2 guys take turns banging them isn't in a Thai girl's repertoire. Yes, you will find them at Devil's Den but AFAIK don't expect girls who looks like your Sensations gogo girls.
There is no correlation on your success whether you take a naught looking girl or an innocent cutesy girl. Just depends on chemistry. Some on here will go with older more experienced girls because they've seen it all. I'm like yourself going for complete optiks.
Finding a girl you really enjoy spending many hours with on a 2-3 day trip is a very tough task. Lots of luck needs to be involved in that. Even though your girls weren't stellar I think you did well finding girls to do the things you wanted. I noticed you struck out with the shower for 2. Many girls will do this. You may want to ask beforehand next time. They almost all shower for 2 at G-clubs like Kinnaree and on Soi 6.
UH, very few guys on ISG will splurge on gogo girls like Mander did. I know bkkdog and myself are two who will. Most on ISG are looking for the 500-2000ST from a Beach Road FL to an iBar girl. There is no time limit on ST. If you have bad luck picking up a hustler then yes it can be 1 hour. However, if the chemistry is right it can extend well beyond 1 hour even if ST.
When I first switched from FKK's to Thailand I thought the same as you that it will be much cheaper. Definitely not the case since I am a gogo guy. It's not the same experience as sitting in a boring FKK club. I'm a bit younger than most. love House music, and still like to party so Thailand is the right choice for me. Before Thailand I wasn't even interested in Asian girls and my preference are German and Hungarian girls. German and Hungarians are still my preference but the gap has closed considerably since coming to Thailand. The top Thai girls are top girls in any race. Only time will tell how the new Germany laws will affect the number of nice younger girls who work. Not being able to sleep in the clubs overnight and having to register are 2 large hurdles. Then again, maybe FKK girls will go LT now looking for a place to crash overnight!
Uncle Volodya
06-27-17, 17:23
If STs with more Caucasian looking girls is your thing than there is no real reason to leave Germany and come to Thailand (though as BB points out times they are a changin' for the worst in Deutschland).
I like Thailand and SE Asia for the LT rent a girlfriend experience. Thai girls always deliver GFE (sometimes too much as they also give you the bad parts like jealousy and neediness-555) and like Natty I also prefer Asian girls looks and attitude wise to Caucasian girls. At the same time there is enough action that you can mix it up and supplement your LT / GFE diet with some ST action from a variety of venues (BR, SOi 6, Gogos, Ibar, Badoo, Wechat, TF etc).
For me this makes Thailand hard to beat. Maybe Vietnam (as I think VN girls are a little better looking and also amazing in the GFE department) if the scene was more open. But as things stand Thailand meets my preferences best.
Blanquiceleste
06-28-17, 02:31
...and like Natty I also prefer Asian girls looks and attitude wise to Caucasian girls.
For me this makes Thailand hard to beat. Maybe Vietnam (as I think VN girls are a little better looking and also amazing in the GFE department) if the scene was more open. But as things stand Thailand meets my preferences best.IMHO there is no destination that matches up to LOS if one were to consider all parameters for a holiday or a long stay.
From a mongering perspective the range of options (BR, Soi 6, WS, Soapy, Oilies, Nightclubs, Bars, GoGos, Online), ease of availability, pricing, quality of services it is simply astounding. From an amenities perspective, ease of transportation, pricing and quality of hotels, range, quality and pricing of food, ease of availability of supplies (7/11, family mart, pharmacies, etc) there is no other place that scores as well on all parameters.
So for me, despite the restrictions we are hearing about, this place still tops the list. And I have a weakness for Thai girls (and Pinays, and Viets, and Indos and Chinese and. 5555).
I've been to FKK Sharks, Oase, and GT (Austria). You really can't beat the efficiency of FKK with little to no nagging, set price, and exact delivery anywhere in the world. You can browse girls, pick them up within 1 minute, and if you pay for X service, you fucking get X service. Great for 1 or 2 days of fun.
It really sucked that you still had to play the "game" in Agogo bars. I mean it might be like shooting fishes in a barrel, but you still had to pick the right girl, butter them up, build the right connection, and still not sure if they would deliver as promised or not.
If you like asian girls, like drinking, and love the thrill of the hunt (with training wheels), possibly build connections outside of bar, then Agogo bar is for you. If you are short on time, need a quick ROI and have zero social skill like me, then it may not work so well.
I did, however, impressed by the qualities of the girls than I expected. If you like PYT (pretty young thang), you can find them easily in a good agogo.
Banana Boi
06-28-17, 07:10
An option for those with nothing to do in the afternoon is the newest G-club, The Den, on Soi Chaiyapoon (aka Soi 25) and 3rd Road. Opens at 1 pm.
I really like the girl on the left in the red in pic 2 and the one in the black and white squared dress 4th from the right in the back row in pic 1.
Uncle Volodya
06-28-17, 07:17
An option for those with nothing to do in the afternoon is the newest G-club, The Den, on Soi Chaiyapoon (aka Soi 25) and 3rd Road. Opens at 1 pm.
I really like the girl on the left in the red in pic 2 and the one in the black and white squared dress 4th from the right in the back row in pic 1.Nice catch. The girl in the red in center of pic 1 is also worthy of further inspection.
How much is ST at the den?
Well a lesson learned. If a girl shows a slightest hesitation or "modesty" in the bar, it's not because she's shy or modest. It's because she's going to flake out on you. I guess you can't have pretty young thing and performance / PSE together. I thought about going to Devil's Den and find an ugly girl to fuck in the ass, but it's 2:00 AM, I'm tired, and I'm heading out to Bangkok tomorrow. So my days at Pattaya comes to an unsatisfying end.Not sure why you repeatedly feel the need to criticize Devils Den. Most of their ladies look better in person when compared to their non-photoshopped pictures. And if you think Vicky is ugly I would really like to see where you draw the line on looks: http://devilsdenthailand.com/profiles/131/Vicky.html.
Given your FKK roots guessing you are looking for throwdown action. DD would have fit that bill. Have you ever been in their rooms? They have large beds, mirrors on the walls and ceiling, porn playing on a large screen TV, suspended sex swings, and showers designed to hold a small crowd.
I learned something long ago: for me attitude and performance is twice as important as looks. I would rather have a 7 looks / 10 performer than a 10 looks / 7 performer. We are renting and not buying after all LOL. As always YMMV.
SL.
Not sure why you repeatedly feel the need to criticize Devils Den. Most of their ladies look better in person when compared to their non-photoshopped pictures. And if you think Vicky is ugly I would really like to see where you draw the line on looks: http://devilsdenthailand.com/profiles/131/Vicky.html.
Given your FKK roots guessing you are looking for throwdown action. DD would have fit that bill. Have you ever been in their rooms? They have large beds, mirrors on the walls ...snip...You are absolutely right to point me out on that. Sorry I didn't mean to criticize DD. In fact, my greatest regret in Pattaya is not trying DD out. There have been some posts here and other places that mentioned that while DD excels in performance / attitude, one shouldn't expect lookers there. Perhaps I would've found Vicky hot as hell.
Everyone has different pref/taste and while I respect the performance crowd, I'd rather have no sex than have sex with girls who are not hot or old. Call me vain and I do end up frustrated alot seeking for hot girls with great attitude/performance. But when the stars align and I'm at the right place right time, it's awesome and makes the hunt worth it for me.
Banana Boi
06-28-17, 12:58
How much is ST at the den?2 ladies minimum. 4000 for 90 minutes, 4800 for 2 hours.
Hotman 666
06-28-17, 13:00
I learned something long ago: for me attitude and performance is twice as important as looks. I would rather have a 7 looks / 10 performer than a 10 looks / 7 performer. We are renting and not buying after all LOL. As always YMMV.
SL.Sunlover,
I agree with you completely. For me a "girl next door" type who has the potential to be horny is much better than a "Super model star fish".
I also believe that attitude is MUCH more important than looks.
Enjoy,
Hotman.
Banana Boi
06-28-17, 13:08
I also believe that attitude is MUCH more important than looks.
This is why I like gogo girls. I get to watch them night after night and see how their attitudes are. I learn to know who is always happy and smiley, get to know their personalities, who turns ugly when they are rejected, who looks like they can party, etc.
2 ladies minimum. 4000 for 90 minutes, 4800 for 2 hours.Shame. I don't like 2 ladies. Is the den different to eden club?
Christian G
06-28-17, 13:18
Shame. I don't like 2 ladies. Is the den different to eden club?The Den, Devil's Den and Eden Club are 3 differents club. Devil's Den and Eden Club very similar in the concept, The Den is a new afternoon GClub in soi chaiyapoon (move to Pattaya from BKK soi12).
The Den 400 baht room, 1.000 baht for the girl.
Devil's Den if you want 1 girl you have 2 choice: Nuru massage, or outcall service at your hotel. All info are listed on their website!
Mr Enternational
06-28-17, 13:58
How much is ST at the den?I reported on The Den a few weeks ago when it first opened. The room is 400 baht and the rest is between you and the girl. Again, the sister club is Touch on LK Metro.
Uncle Volodya
06-28-17, 14:38
Most of their ladies look better in person when compared to their non-photoshopped pictures. And if you think Vicky is ugly I would really like to see where you draw the line on looks: http://devilsdenthailand.com/profiles/131/Vicky.html.
I can't say that has been my experience. I haven's used them in years but the 2 or 3 times I have the girls looked worse in person.
The photos are not photo shopped but they are taken with some care to make the girls look good.
BTW: I don't think Vicky is ugly. She is cute (a 6 or so in my book). I wouldn't necessarily seek her out but would not kick her out of my bed either.
The soapies (Sabai Dee, Sabai Resort, Honey 2, and Rasputin) are all around your hotel. They start to get busy after 5 pm and prime time is around 7 pm. DO NOT expect BBBJ and DFK from any of these girls without either a bit of coercing, charm, or extra cash.I do a soapie every other trip it seems. The fantasy of a pretty girl sliding up and down on me, like they do in the JAV movies, is strong. But the reality is different. Sigh.
Out of three visits, I did get a BBBJ once, and that was after a CBJ and CFS where I could not release, and so she took pity on me and offered a BBBJ. No begging on my part, I just said I have a hard time releasing with a condom (quite true), so she removed the condom and went down on me. Many of the girls are quite mechanical and really don't care, but this one was nice and caring and wanted me to leave happy. So it can happen without paying more or begging and pleading! Hmmm, maybe it was because I was charming!
An option for those with nothing to do in the afternoon is the newest G-club, The Den, on Soi Chaiyapoon (aka Soi 25) and 3rd Road. Opens at 1 pm.
I really like the girl on the left in the red in pic 2 and the one in the black and white squared dress 4th from the right in the back row in pic 1.We share similar tastes, my friend. The second girl from the left in the second picture is also pretty hot too.
I planned my Pattaya trip because I heard it's where I can get sex-crazed hotties at a fraction of cost back at home. Reading many blogs describing where these 18 years old model-quality girls would throw themselves at you (a bit of exaggerations here. May be for Brad Pitt-like Farangs) and let you fuck you in all holes kinda set me up for a wrong expectations.
LOS offers tremendous value. I did an analysis of my visit last November and found that I had 27 FS encounters with 22 different ladies over 11 days for a total spent of $1,175 US. (Includes fines and fees, but no LDs or food.) These were not fat and ugly BR FL girls. There were a couple of BR FL girls, but they were the better-looking ones. Quite pretty, slender, gave good service and would look hot in a bikini on the beach. This was a super hottie from Soi 6 - an amazing value at just 1,300 TB. She would draw 3000 TB plus BF for ST on WS. The others on Soi 6 were at least attractive and all slender with a few providing GFE. On Soi 6, 90% are fat and ugly, with 98% being fat OR ugly, so you have to find that upper 2%.
The Soi 6 crackdown is disappointing, but I am not yet ready to give up on Thailand or of Pattaya.
I guess I need to do a similar analysis of my visit last April / May. I will try to get that out within a few days.
An option for those with nothing to do in the afternoon is the newest G-club, The Den, on Soi Chaiyapoon (aka Soi 25) and 3rd Road. Opens at 1 pm.
I really like the girl on the left in the red in pic 2 and the one in the black and white squared dress 4th from the right in the back row in pic 1.Never been there. I always wonder what to do in late afternoon. What kind of place is this? A go go bar? I will try in my next visit.
Member #4591
06-29-17, 00:39
An option for those with nothing to do in the afternoon is the newest G-club, The Den, on Soi Chaiyapoon (aka Soi 25) and 3rd Road. Opens at 1 pm.
I really like the girl on the left in the red in pic 2 and the one in the black and white squared dress 4th from the right in the back row in pic 1.Ah! This club used to be in Bangkok on Sukhumvit Soi 12. It closed down after a year. The concept was the bar with sofas and 2 pool tables. The sofas were set up in a way where curtains could be closed around them and the girls could dance and be a little naughty. There were short time rooms above the bar and the BF was 500 Baht plus an agreed upon fee for services from the girl. 2000ST I believe it was. It would close at around 9 PM if I recall so it was truly for the daytime. The concept didn't last in BKK because there was just not a consistent flow of customers. I suspect Pattaya will offer that potential. It is run by foreigners and in my mind, this club will be a target for law emforcemt due to the same concept at Soi 6. Regardless, enjoy it well it lasts. It will be more expensive than Soi 6 so be prepared to pay more than 1000 for a shag.
Mr Enternational
06-29-17, 01:42
It is run by foreigners and in my mind, this club will be a target for law emforcemt due to the same concept at Soi 6. Regardless, enjoy it well it lasts. It will be more expensive than Soi 6 so be prepared to pay more than 1000 for a shag.The girl that I had a drink with when I was there said 1000 for a shag. Actually it is more the concept of all the other gentlemen clubs: 007, Carre Blanc, etc and not Soi 6. I don't want to include Kinnaree and the other Pratumnak places because those are much bigger seeing they are in actual houses. There is a doorman/security guy. You walk in and there is a big ass bar in front of you. There are sofas to the left, a pool table to the right, tables to the other side of the bar, big screen tvs that I think had sports on, and a place for the dj (the owner was playing music from his laptop there). There are red lights throughout. The rooms are upstairs.
Uncle Volodya
06-29-17, 08:36
Ah! This club used to be in Bangkok on Sukhumvit Soi 12. It closed down after a year. The concept was the bar with sofas and 2 pool tables. The sofas were set up in a way where curtains could be closed around them and the girls could dance and be a little naughty. There were short time rooms above the bar and the BF was 500 Baht plus an agreed upon fee for services from the girl. 2000ST I believe it was. It would close at around 9 PM if I recall so it was truly for the daytime. The concept didn't last in BKK because there was just not a consistent flow of customers. I suspect Pattaya will offer that potential. It is run by foreigners and in my mind, this club will be a target for law emforcemt due to the same concept at Soi 6. Regardless, enjoy it well it lasts. It will be more expensive than Soi 6 so be prepared to pay more than 1000 for a shag.I dropped by to check it out once. The club was really nice with a shark tank with a small shark above the main bar. Very cool.
The business model was to let gogo girls ply their trade before their shifts at Nana or Cowboy. But I think they may have had trouble getting girls because the selection was only meh when I was there.
I had a few drinks with a girl and a bit of fondling and kissing but did not take her to a room s she didn't' really do it for me and I had another girl coming to my condo in a few hours anyway.
Member #4530
06-30-17, 10:03
LOS offers tremendous value. I did an analysis of my visit last November and found that I had 27 FS encounters with 22 different ladies over 11 days for a total spent of $1,175 US. (Includes fines and fees, but no LDs or food.) These were not fat and ugly BR FL girls. There were a couple of BR FL girls, but they were the better-looking ones. Quite pretty, slender, gave good service and would look hot in a bikini on the beach. This was a super hottie from Soi 6 - an amazing value at just 1,300 TB. She would draw 3000 TB plus BF for ST on WS. The others on Soi 6 were at least attractive and all slender with a few providing GFE. On Soi 6, 90% are fat and ugly, with 98% being fat OR ugly, so you have to find that upper 2%.
IMHO the pickings are better are Beach Rd than on Soi 6. Better attitudes, prices and service.
CherchezFemme
06-30-17, 11:10
Guys, I have a delicate question. Even though I'm experienced I'm not sure what to do. First time I saw a new provider, Anna, I gave her a way too generous tip. I gave it to her ahead of time bc I was negotiating BBBJ. I had a brain fart and basically gave her what the house charged me. I don't know why, I just did. Assuming house takes 40-50% with me she prob earned 3 x what she made with a regular non-tipping monger.
Ok I made a mistake, big deal.
But, the service was FANTASTIC, top 3 provider. So I went back again for a second time and left her slightly smaller tip. But even then, my tip was prob too much. Service was fantastic again, including anal which I had not negotiated or even discussed beforehand.
I want to see her 4-5 more times before I leave. But I don't want to keep spoiling her for the next monger. Should I give her even smaller, more reasonable tip or, since service is fantastic, just let it be?
Maybe I'm overthinking. It's not a question of money, it's just I know how many times on this board we complain about mongers who leave huge tips and then that becomes the norm for the girl.
Member #4591
06-30-17, 11:46
Guys, I have a delicate question. Even though I'm experienced I'm not sure what to do. First time I saw a new provider, Anna, I gave her a way too generous tip. I gave it to her ahead of time bc I was negotiating BBBJ. I had a brain fart and basically gave her what the house charged me. I don't know why, I just did. Assuming house takes 40-50% with me she prob earned 3 x what she made with a regular non-tipping monger.
Ok I made a mistake, big deal.
But, the service was FANTASTIC, top 3 provider. So I went back again for a second time and left her slightly smaller tip. But even then, my tip was prob too much. Service was fantastic again, including anal which I had not negotiated or even discussed beforehand.
I want to see her 4-5 more times before I leave. But I don't want to keep spoiling her for the next monger. Should I give her even smaller, more reasonable tip or, since service is fantastic, just let it be?
Maybe I'm overthinking. It's not a question of money, it's just I know how many times on this board we complain about mongers who leave huge tips and then that becomes the norm for the girl.Could you please be more specific? Is she a go go girl, massage girl, freelancer or what? What was her asking price and what did you give her total including the tip?
CherchezFemme
06-30-17, 13:59
Could you please be more specific? Is she a go go girl, massage girl, freelancer or what? What was her asking price and what did you give her total including the tip?She works in an apartment with other girls, you walk in and choose who you want. So not a freelancer (and I have tried to get her to meet me at my place but she hasn't responded to that).
Cost is $ 28 US per hour (1 pop). So she probably makes $ 14- 17 per hour. I gave her $26 tip first time (slightly less than what she wanted).
Second time I gave her $ 24 tip bc I knew first tip was too much. She didn't say anything but I don't know if she counted it before or after.
Hopefully will see her in 3 days.
This is not in Thailand, it's in Ukraine. Sorry for confusion. I wrote here bc Ukraine forums are slow and besides it's a universal question.
Banana Boi
06-30-17, 15:07
This is not in Thailand, it's in Ukraine. Sorry for confusion. I wrote here bc Ukraine forums are slow and besides it's a universal question.It's not a universal question at all. Cultures are very different around the world in regard to tipping. Tipping IS NOT expected in Thailand. No idea about Ukraine.
Member #4591
06-30-17, 15:51
This is not in Thailand, it's in Ukraine. Sorry for confusion. I wrote here bc Ukraine forums are slow and besides it's a universal question.Dude, I'm sorry but you are completely out to lunch. Comparing a Ukrain P4 P to the Thai P4 P? Posting in the wrong country forum just because the Ukraine one is slow. Post again after you come to Thailand.
But I don't want to keep spoiling her for the next monger.
It's not a question of money.Another deluded monger trying to convince himself that it's the principle, not the money. And trying to convince others that he's being cheap for the sake of the rest of us.
55555.
CherchezFemme
06-30-17, 18:09
Dude, I'm sorry but you are completely out to lunch. Comparing a Ukrain P4 P to the Thai P4 P? Posting in the wrong country forum just because the Ukraine one is slow. Post again after you come to Thailand.Just spent 4 months in Thailand. Good times. Only did p4p twice. Then picked up a girlfriend.
But I'm looking for advice from seasoned mongers and the Thai forums are the biggest.
I'll post in Ukraine too.
CherchezFemme
06-30-17, 18:15
Another deluded monger trying to convince himself that it's the principle, not the money. And trying to convince others that he's being cheap for the sake of the rest of us.
55555.David, I have just as many posts as you and more reports than you buddy. Stop being nasty and snarky, those are feminine traits. If you think I'm being cheap, just say I should continue with the same tips.
CherchezFemme
06-30-17, 18:19
It's not a universal question at all. Cultures are very different around the world in regard to tipping. Tipping IS NOT expected in Thailand. No idea about Ukraine.Thank you. FYI, I don't think tipping is expected here either. I was paying her for BBBJ.
I appreciate someone with your post count replying.
I tried Pattaya four days last week. Really enjoyed it. Nice that there is so much in such a relatively small area (compared to say Bangkok, where travel takes more time). It seemed much weaker than Angeles City in the Philippines on young petite girls, but some very interesting 20 somethings as well as some matures. A lot of western men, but they tend to be 60+ pensioner types, uneducated, heavy beer-drinkers, smokers, overweight. So although the ratio of girls to customers isn't fantastic, some girls may be quite enthusiastic to be with somebody who is not like that.
I find Thais in general very sophisticated, so also the girls in Pattaya, relatively speaking. But strangely enough very many of them still hardly speak any English, another big draw back over the Philippines.
Another drawback is that there are also quite a few non-mongering tourists in Pattaya. So there is a risk that you bump into somebody you know (albeit probably a very small risk). In Angeles City I don't recall seeing any non-mongering tourists at all (no wonder as there is no beach there and the food sucks).
I loved Soi 6, because I like a very big selection of girls that I can be with consecutively. 3-4 per night. Out of the 6-7 girls I slept with there, I really liked 5. Only one was an unpleasant, manipulative, up-selling experience. The only problem is that they are all there out in front of the bars, so it is like one brothel and each girl can see you going to the next one, which is not so convenient if the encounters are a little bit emotionally rewarding.
I also enjoyed the go go bars. A lot of nudity, a lot of personality. Money goes quite fast.
A lot of ladyboys all over Pattaya. I have nothing against them but I would much rather not have them mixed up with all of the girls as one has to be cautious looking and flirting with the girls.
Cialis and Apcalis sold freely.
It was a very pleasant experience. I miss Pattaya and some of those special girls whom I wish I could have had more time with.
Member #4698
06-30-17, 22:02
Cucumber, its good to read a fresh report about Pattaya from the perspective of an AC fan and see what he likes and dislikes about the place. I like Filipina GFE and the way they like to party and shag with real abandon. I prefer Thai culture, food, and ambiance. I think on average Thai girls are better looking, but that just means you have to look a little bit more in the PI to find what you are looking for, but the sexy, pretty ones are there too, ready and willing. As for Filipinas and their English proficiencies, that is both a big plus and a minus. I like the mystery of Thai girls. I know less of what's on their minds. Ha Ha.
P.S. I read your report on Yangon. Too bad about JJ's.
IMHO the pickings are better are Beach Rd than on Soi 6. Better attitudes, prices and service.I avoid breach road due to safety.
Mr Enternational
07-01-17, 01:13
I avoid breach road due to safety.LOL. What is unsafe about Beach Road?
Christian G
07-01-17, 06:57
The only problem is that they are all there out in front of the bars, so it is like one brothel and each girl can see you going to the next one, which is not so convenient if the encounters are a little bit emotionally rewarding.Who care if each girl can see you going to the next one? LOL Here everyone knows everyone. IMO the best of soi6 it is precisely the fact that all girls are outside the bars and you can see them and talk with them without entering any single bars.
I tried Pattaya four days last week. Really enjoyed it. Nice that there is so much in such a relatively small area (compared to say Bangkok, where travel takes more time). It seemed much weaker than Angeles City in the Philippines on young petite girls, but some very interesting 20 somethings as well as some matures. A lot of western men, but they tend to be 60+ pensioner types, uneducated, heavy beer-drinkers, smokers, overweight. So although the ratio of girls to customers isn't fantastic, some girls may be quite enthusiastic to be with somebody who is not like that.
I find Thais in general very sophisticated, so also the girls in Pattaya, relatively speaking. But strangely enough very many of them still hardly speak any English, another big draw back over the Philippines.
Another drawback is that there are also quite a few non-mongering tourists in Pattaya. So there is a risk that you bump into somebody you know (albeit probably a very small risk). In Angeles City I don't recall seeing any non-mongering tourists at all (no wonder as there is no beach there and the food sucks).
I loved Soi 6, because I like a very big selection of girls that I can be with consecutively. 3-4 per night. Out of the 6-7 girls I slept with there, I really liked 5. Only one was an unpleasant, manipulative, up-selling experience. The only problem is that they are all there out in front of the bars, so it is like one brothel and each girl can see you going to the next one, which is not so convenient if the encounters are a little bit emotionally rewarding.
I also enjoyed the go go bars. A lot of nudity, a lot of personality. Money goes quite fast.
A lot of ladyboys all over Pattaya. I have nothing against them but I would much rather not have them mixed up with all of the girls as one has to be cautious looking and flirting with the girls.
Cialis and Apcalis sold freely.
It was a very pleasant experience. I miss Pattaya and some of those special girls whom I wish I could have had more time with.Great report. Interesting your views about Pattaya vs AC. Have travelled many times to both and IMHO Pattaya is a lot better. Feels more relaxed and the day time options are a lot better. Food is better and accommodation is better. The girls I would say are better on average in Pattaya. Thai girls and flippers both have their pros and cons but compared to the western rubbish we deal with I would not complain being in the sack with either!
I think there are a lot more retired gents in AC who look like they are on a shoe string budget. Dress poorly and are slobs. That said, I also see a lot in Pattaya too.
Still, we are all different and the girls only care about our wallets. Money makes up for a lot of flaws!
Happy Hunting.
LOL. What is unsafe about Beach Road?I know you have rose coloured glasses regarding Thailand, but it isn't a safe place.
Who care if each girl can see you going to the next one? LOL Here everyone knows everyone. IMO the best of soi6 it is precisely the fact that all girls are outside the bars and you can see them and talk with them without entering any single bars.Yeah, it is heaps better.
Mr Enternational
07-01-17, 15:01
I know you have rose coloured glasses regarding Thailand, but it isn't a safe place.You still did not explain what is unsafe about it. I have never read a report on here of someone saying something happened to them or someone they know on Beach Road. If there is anyone, then please speak up to help MMG explain what is so unsafe about it.
Blanquiceleste
07-01-17, 18:57
You still did not explain what is unsafe about it. I have never read a report on here of someone saying something happened to them or someone they know on Beach Road. If there is anyone, then please speak up to help MMG explain what is so unsafe about it.Pattaya is as safe or unsafe as any other city in the States, or the UK or any other city in Asia. The only places I would consider safer are the Nordic countries, Singapore and Dubai.
I have been visiting Thailand for the better part of two decades and I am yet to encounter any unsafe experience in Pattaya personally. I have obviously heard and read about a lot of unpleasant incidents, but somehow I would like to think a majority of the victims brought these consequences upon themselves through unsafe actions and unsound decisions.
You still did not explain what is unsafe about it. I have never read a report on here of someone saying something happened to them or someone they know on Beach Road. If there is anyone, then please speak up to help MMG explain what is so unsafe about it.Well. In Pattaya I was never involved in anything. But it may happen anywhere, where not expected. One night in Udon Thani I walk back to my hotel from the&and to Kavinburi, and at a corner a few youngsters, one stared talking to me, but when I continued walking, and definitely not drunk, he came after me and grabbed my polo shirt. Best remedy I have always found is to start talking in a language where they absolutely do not understand a word of it. Confusion all over, and that is where you have to take advantage from. But in general I must admit, Thailand is a safe place. Way more than those dark streets f Phnom Penh with an open air Cambo bar on every street corner.
Banana Boi
07-02-17, 04:46
But in general I must admit, Thailand is a safe place. Way more than those dark streets f Phnom Penh with an open air Cambo bar on every street corner.I've never found Phnom Penh the least bit dangerous in the areas where the girls are.
As for Pattaya if you read the news the only issues seem to always happen with ladyboys. Otherwise it's just dumb people who insist on wearing a gold necklace or nice watch and don't expect to get robbed. If you leave the tourist area, your Thai girl will protect you.
Franciscass
07-02-17, 11:19
I've never found Phnom Penh the least bit dangerous in the areas where the girls are.
As for Pattaya if you read the news the only issues seem to always happen with ladyboys. Otherwise it's just dumb people who insist on wearing a gold necklace or nice watch and don't expect to get robbed. If you leave the tourist area, your Thai girl will protect you.New interesting definition of dumb. Anybody wearing a nice watch or gold necklace in Pattaya. I guess by inference smart would then be anybody not wearing a nice watch or gold necklace in Pattaya unless that is you wander into a local area where your ever trustworthy fearless Thai girlfriend will fight off all comers intent on knocking you unconscious to undo your Patek Philippe chronograph and rip your 24 carat 100 gram designer necklace from your neck. I can only assume banana you were jesting?
I've never found Phnom Penh the least bit dangerous in the areas where the girls are.
As for Pattaya if you read the news the only issues seem to always happen with ladyboys. Otherwise it's just dumb people who insist on wearing a gold necklace or nice watch and don't expect to get robbed. If you leave the tourist area, your Thai girl will protect you.Yes, safe if you; don't leave tourist areas at night; don't wear valuables. In other words. Not safe!
Christian G
07-02-17, 15:56
Yes, safe if you; don't leave tourist areas at night; don't wear valuables. In other words. Not safe!Maybe Tokyo or Singapore could be safe enough for you. Wear valuables in a 3rd world country it is not a smart idea. In my country we say "opportunity makes the thief".
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Mr Enternational
07-02-17, 18:15
New interesting definition of dumb. Anybody wearing a nice watch or gold necklace in Pattaya. I guess by inference smart would then be anybody not wearing a nice watch or gold necklace in Pattaya unless that is you wander into a local area where your ever trustworthy fearless Thai girlfriend will fight off all comers intent on knocking you unconscious to undo your Patek Philippe chronograph and rip your 24 carat 100 gram designer necklace from your neck. I can only assume banana you were jesting?Dumb is thinking that you are going to go to the beach at night in a third world country full of ladyboys that want surgery shining (showing off your valuables) or carrying a fat wallet. Then of course it may be dangerous for you. Anytime you read about the street robberies it was the thief going after something they could see, such as a gold chain or a bulging wallet. I have never had any problems even going to Beach Road in the wee hours, because I do not present myself that way. I wear a simple sports watch and only carry the money I need and my ID with no wallet. But for the dumb among us, the police has set up checkpoints in the exact area where they katoeys used to rob you guys along BR and WS. So I think it is now much safer to carry on wearing your jewels as you were before.
Just completed a session with a semi-regular Beach Rd provider. She's pretty hot. Damage 1000 baht. She was telling me some stories.
There was one guy who wanted to go bareback with her, but she is very health conscious and kept refusing his ever increasing offers which reached 3500 baht. She is scared of HIV. So no deal. She said that it is the falangs (ie caucasians) who want to do BB, not the Indians who always want to use a condom.
She knows chicks on Beach Rd who are popping pills for the control of HIV she said.
Also, she has a fatter friend who uses her photo (ie, with nice slender legs) on wechat with the face mostly obscured she said.
So, yeah, a lot of chicks on BR at the moment: hundreds. And safe too, never had a problem myself.
Just completed a session with a semi-regular Beach Rd provider. She's pretty hot. Damage 1000 baht. She was telling me some stories.
There was one guy who wanted to go bareback with her, but she is very health conscious and kept refusing his ever increasing offers which reached 3500 baht. She is scared of HIV. So no deal. She said that it is the falangs (ie caucasians) who want to do BB, not the Indians who always want to use a condom.
She knows chicks on Beach Rd who are popping pills for the control of HIV she said.
Also, she has a fatter friend who uses her photo (ie, with nice slender legs) on wechat with the face mostly obscured she said.
So, yeah, a lot of chicks on BR at the moment: hundreds. And safe too, never had a problem myself.In Beach Rd is a lot of hookers because she's free and self employed, don't need to care about mama bar, and don't need to pay for bar or another club if she can't come to work, this is most of the reason why is so many girl on BR about hiv and another virus is possible get from high class club sick working girl, same from the street.
Franciscass
07-03-17, 01:54
Dumb is thinking that you are going to go to the beach at night in a third world country full of ladyboys that want surgery shining (showing off your valuables) or carrying a fat wallet. Then of course it may be dangerous for you. Anytime you read about the street robberies it was the thief going after something they could see, such as a gold chain or a bulging wallet. I have never had any problems even going to Beach Road in the wee hours, because I do not present myself that way. I wear a simple sports watch and only carry the money I need and my ID with no wallet. But for the dumb among us, the police has set up checkpoints in the exact area where they katoeys used to rob you guys along BR and WS. So I think it is now much safer to carry on wearing your jewels as you were before.Leaving your hotel with a fat wallet on display whatever that actually means is unnecessary and unwise anywhere. Wearing your nice watch while it would be foolhardy wandering around the favelas of Rio or the slums of Caracas should not be described as dumb when done in Pattaya or indeed anywhere in Thailand. I've lived here for almost 20 years mostly in Bangkok, wear my expensive watch wherever I go and resent this being described as dumb.
Hope my next post is not from Bumrungrad suffering from concussion minus my Patek. LOL.
SearcherMan
07-03-17, 06:47
It's been 12 years, and yesterday I finally experienced it for what it was. Besides MP and street action in the US, my previous overseas mongering was in MNL in the 90's. I got to see the glory days in the Ermita gogos.
In that first LOS visit 12 yrs back, I enjoyed a bevy of FL's in BKK. But damn me, when I rolled into Patts on that trip, I fell in with a GFE hottie on Soi 7 that I kept the whole time.
I began by hitting Soi 6 at 5:15. The only thing you can't get there before 6 is booze. Women everywhere, and I found the quality rather good, IMO. Plenty of the hot brown, inked up, nasty behaving Isaan girls I crave, like a thirsty man in a desert. I settled in at Horny Bar with one that caught my fancy, (24 yo MILF), bought her a drink, and fondled her thigh, whilst explaining to her what she had tattooed there. Thanks to Google Translate I could explain what a Dreamcatcher was, and it's spiritual significance to Native Americans. She has no idea and seemed pleased to know, if not impressed. Well of course others, even hotter, coworkers seemed to pop up. What's a man to do? Ask the one I'm with if I can take the other I fancy to the ST room too, of course. She came over, a younger browner MILF. After a drink sandwiched between them, getting my crotch and nipples tweaked, I paid the 550 each BF. I paid 650 for 2 hrs for a ST room, which I won't do next time. I thought I could fill up the time, but it wasn't sustainable like an MP visit might be. It was fun though, despite them not doing lesbian. I was happy getting double teamed with DFK and BBBJ. The older one would direct the younger. It was hot. I tipped 1500 each. Too much? The older one just pm'd me on LINE. Maybe I'll get her to help pick out another dark skinned, tatted up coworker.
SearcherMan
07-03-17, 07:36
Got some dinner and family time after that sizzling intro to Soi 6 earlier in the evening. Then with childcare set up for the kids in our group, I went off to Soi 7. While walking to BR, I relived old memories of those outdoor bars, and got accosted with low season ferocity. I don't notice that the talent is any better than Soi 6, but the nostalgia and its timelessness is a charmer for me.
At BR a short walk around assures me that the cops have not "cleaned up" everyone from working there. I see a very fit 40 ish woman who wanted to do me for 700 at the ST spot nearby, (300 fee maybe she said? I was tempted, but I spied an intriguing prospect back at 69'er Bar that I decided was the best of show.
She was still there. Not my usual pick, or ever really. A thick bodied, big woman, inked up to the nines. She was that big bodied type well within a healthy BMI. She had a firm butt, nice arch in the back, and her tummy was just fine, I don't need those six pack abs. I got rock hard feeling her up in the bar, so much of her firm body to enjoy. It's so sad women like this get body shamed. When feeling her tummy she said she was fat. I assured her that's not the case, and I put her hand on my erection as proof.
500 BF, 500 room. No BJ, but DFK, and lots of feeling up that unctuous body. Slipped inside her and finished up in mish while DFK and looking at that big expanse of ink best I could. Best freaking orgasm. In. Ages.
Gave her 1500.
I'm here 5 more nights. More to come.
Yes, safe if you; don't leave tourist areas at night; don't wear valuables. In other words. Not safe!Seems to me that excessive drinking is involved in most incidents, with Beach Road / late at night / intoxication being the trifeta.
SL.
Banana Boi
07-03-17, 16:07
I began by hitting Soi 6 at 5:15. The only thing you can't get there before 6 is booze. <snip> I paid the 550 each BF. I paid 650 for 2 hrs for a ST room, which I won't do next time. <snip> I tipped 1500 each. Too much? Not lecturing rather trying to save you a bit over the next few days. BF is 300-350 per girl whether it be ST or LT. This is the first I've heard of a 550 BF. Low season inflation? Post raid rates? Rate per girl is 1000 each for standard 1 hour. If they stayed 2 hours maybe tip them 100 or 200 baht. 1500 for 2 hours is ok if you had a blast.
Still sad to see you still have to pay the extra ST room for a Soi 6 girl.
As for Soi 7, I'm not too experienced but AFAIK every bar except Shooters should be 1000 ST. When did BF go up from 300 to 500 on Soi 7?
I began by hitting Soi 6 at 5:15. The only thing you can't get there before 6 is booze. This is great news!
I was hoping the Soi 6 restrictions were solely on the sale of alcohol and not on the bar actually being physically open. I don't drink much, so as long as I can spend a hot afternoon there with the ladies sipping my soda and lime or Coke Lite, I will be happy.
I settled in at Horny Bar with one that caught my fancy, (24 yo MILF),
Do you have her name?
I paid the 550 each BF. I paid 650 for 2 hrs for a ST room, which I won't do next time. I thought I could fill up the time, but it wasn't sustainable like an MP visit might be. It was fun though, despite them not doing lesbian. I was happy getting double teamed with DFK and BBBJ. The older one would direct the younger. It was hot. I tipped 1500 each. Too much? The older one just pm'd me on LINE. Maybe I'll get her to help pick out another dark skinned, tatted up coworker.The BF was 550 per girl? And you paid an extra 650 for a ST room? Did you have to go to a ST hotel or could you go upstairs? I am a little confused as BFs have been 300 - 350 and that included the upstairs room. So, did you have to go find a ST room / hotel someplace else and pay them 650? I mean, last May when I was there, I paid typically 300 to the bar, I went upstairs with the girl, and paid her 1000. That was it.
And yes, a 1500 tip is way too high! I used to tip maybe 100 regardless, but stopped doing that for average, typical, expected service. That is, they asked for 1000 for their services then unless they go above and beyond that, I pay them simply what we agreed to. I think I did pay a 500 tip a few times for service that went above and beyond, to the realm of GFE that left me in awe. But dude, if those girls rocked your world and you want to see them again, tip them all you want!
SearcherMan
07-04-17, 01:52
Not lecturing rather trying to save you a bit over the next few days. BF is 300-350 per girl whether it be ST or LT. This is the first I've heard of a 550 BF. Low season inflation? Post raid rates? Rate per girl is 1000 each for standard 1 hour. If they stayed 2 hours maybe tip them 100 or 200 baht. 1500 for 2 hours is ok if you had a blast.
Still sad to see you still have to pay the extra ST room for a Soi 6 girl.
As for Soi 7, I'm not too experienced but AFAIK every bar except Shooters should be 1000 ST. When did BF go up from 300 to 500 on Soi 7?Thanks, but I deserve a lecture. I found out the next day I got ripped. Won't happen again. And they came down from 800 LT BF at Horny Bar. I paid 300 BF LT for a hottie on Soi 7 last night at Vanda. The girl liked me, more on her later.
SearcherMan
07-04-17, 02:01
Her name was Pat, with a Dreamcatcher tat on her thigh.
Man I did get ripped, but I was hazy on the reports I read here and they were a while ago. All unbraiding will be well deserved.
This is great news!
I was hoping the Soi 6 restrictions were solely on the sale of alcohol and not on the bar actually being physically open. I don't drink much, so as long as I can spend a hot afternoon there with the ladies sipping my soda and lime or Coke Lite, I will be happy.
Do you have her name?
The BF was 550 per girl? And you paid an extra 650 for a ST room? Did you have to go to a ST hotel or could you go upstairs? I am a little confused as BFs have been 300 - 350 and that included the upstairs room. So, did you have to go find a ST room / hotel someplace else and pay them 650? I mean, last May when I was there, I paid typically 300 to the bar, I went upstairs with the girl, and paid her 1000. That was it.
And yes, a 1500 tip is way too high! I used to tip maybe 100 regardless, but stopped doing that for average, typical, expected service. That is, they asked for 1000 for their services then unless they go above and beyond that, I pay them simply what we agreed to. I think I did pay a 500 tip a few times for service that went above and beyond, to the realm of GFE that left me in awe. But dude, if those girls rocked your world and you want to see them again, tip them all you want!
LOL. What is unsafe about Beach Road?I'd say you need to be careful or very careful in the dark areas by the beach especially late at night. The area has a lot of homeless people and freelancers living there. And that is considered unsafe in any city.
Never paid more than 1400st on soi6 including everything. Is this low season price increase or something?
Member #4591
07-04-17, 04:50
Never paid more than 1400st on soi6 including everything. Is this low season price increase or something?You are missing the point. He paid for 2 hours if I read it correctly. So extended time in the room with the lady. I believe that is why it was more. Longer use of the ST room and an extended ST encounter.
SearcherMan
07-04-17, 06:04
I finally figured stuff out, thanks to you guys here confirming it, and filing in the blanks. I made some newbie errors, but only pricewise. I really lucked out in the hotness dept with the 3 women I got on the first night. My error is I shopped around on the women, and not the price variations and "scams". I was too lazy to reread the older trip reports too, I'd forgotten the details of what I did read. But, luckily, they weren't fatal errors.
My 2nd night I went out about 7:30, later than the night before this time. I took a short jaunt along BR on the way to Soi 6 from Central Rd. There was some talent there, none of exceptional quality. It appears there is some dampening of girl turnout, compared to the YouTube vids I've seen of BR.
Upon hitting Soi 6, I immediately noticed that the good ones were mostly gone. Getting here well before 6 is the clue to getting those hotties. I met up with Pat at Horny Bar again, but not with the intent to BF her. I wanted to buy her a drink and see if she could grease the wheels on setting me up with another stunning hottie I saw the night before. Well all the good ones were gone already, as in the other bars. If there was a girl I wanted, then I would've haggled the price, with Pat, offering her a tip to get around the BS, but no need, I left for a better deal at Soi 7. I really like the mamasan system. There at Horny Bar, and a few others on Soi 6, it seems that Mr F's UK retinue are the onsite mngt, and I'd trust dealing with a farang on BF deals way less than a local mamasan.
I took another quick detour on BR, but with the same observations as above.
Walked up Soi 8 and was reminded how it's not as amenable to street side shopping as Soi's 6&7 are. I made two passes up and down Soi 7. I had no intention of returning to the girl at 69 er Bar. My eye was out for hotness. I saw one out in front of Red Vanda. I don't want to use her name without permission. She would've been easy to miss. But her face really caught me. She looked more Native American or Mestiza Mexican. She walked in her Daisy Dukes and 4" heels with a classy sexiness, a typical hot MILF in her 30's. I offered to buy her a drink, only to find that her English is quite serviceable. She accepted and offered me a seat, with an cool nonchalance. No nipple tweaking, crotch grabbing, just a nice, adult understated hospitality and interest in getting me comfortable. Somewhat intelligent conversation ensued. Uh oh, it happened. I'm prone to this. I should've know it would happen. I got ensnared in the GFE zone.
Pricewise, it was pro forma, 300 BF, and her LT rate she settled upfront, 2000. I agreed to that rate, and what she did to me in bed later really made me feel like a good deal. DFF, BBBJ, CFS. Like my first experience with a similarly aged MILF in BKK, well, she just f'd my brains out.
I'm keeping her until I leave, or it stops working out. I will continue to report my observations of the scene here as I can.
SearcherMan
07-04-17, 06:11
You are missing the point. He paid for 2 hours if I read it correctly. So extended time in the room with the lady. I believe that is why it was more. Longer use of the ST room and an extended ST encounter.Yes, me paying 2 hrs was an added error on top of the sucker rate. I believe that the mature BR hottie told me of a 200 or 300st rate she'd take me to.
This is a nice, small but clean hotel at the middle. Between Soi 6 and Walking Street. There is a small open air market at the front, sometimes tricky to get a taxi at the door step. There are lot of eateries and bar around. This is a good place to stay provided you care about some compromises.
They don't allow (at least did not allow me and it was early evening though) the 3rd guest, unless you pay the half amount of your booking if you booked for 2. This is weird at Pattaya, where my experience say the hotels would be glad to let you in the 3rd guest at a time (I don't know about the 4th one though). Upon enquiry, the duty manager told me that they were a family oriented hotel.
The breakfast place is small with limited choices. Otherwise it was a so so staying experience. I would not stay here next time only that they don't allow the 3rd guest free of charge.
T. F. E.
Christian G
07-04-17, 08:01
Never paid more than 1400st on soi6 including everything. Is this low season price increase or something?No, prices are always the same. Last month I paid every girls 1000 baht plus 300/350 baht room for the classic 1 HR ST. Also one day I had to take the girl back to my room because the ST rooms were closed and the price for 1 HR in my room was 1000 + 350.
Wonder if anyone has had any experience with the apparently Korean only white hotty girls on WS? If I offer them say 3. 5 k for ST are they likely to agree? Will they go for BBBJ and CIM? I have never come across as hooker who would turn back money, especially when it is volume based like ST. I wonder if maybe I wasn't assertive or forward enough with these girls and if I should have just made them an offer. I guess if they have the good looks, they have value and don't have to be nice like the brown girls, I was cautious to only pick girls who showed a good attitude but sometimes you're in the mood just to pound a hot looking girl.
Uncle Volodya
07-04-17, 15:00
Wonder if anyone has had any experience with the apparently Korean only white hotty girls on WS? If I offer them say 3. 5 k for ST are they likely to agree? Will they go for BBBJ and CIM? I have never come across as hooker who would turn back money, especially when it is volume based like ST. I wonder if maybe I wasn't assertive or forward enough with these girls and if I should have just made them an offer. I guess if they have the good looks, they have value and don't have to be nice like the brown girls, I was cautious to only pick girls who showed a good attitude but sometimes you're in the mood just to pound a hot looking girl.I had one a couple of years ago. It was end of evening and everything was shutting down, otherwise I don't think she'd go with me.
She was OK and a good shag. But everything about her was fake and I have a sneaking suspicion she was a post op -- pussy kind of shallow and felt weird. I think most of these girls may be.
Old New Guy
07-04-17, 23:05
This is a nice, small but clean hotel at the middle. Proper place for hotel talk: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels.
I had one a couple of years ago. It was end of evening and everything was shutting down, otherwise I don't think she'd go with me.
She was OK and a good shag. But everything about her was fake and I have a sneaking suspicion she was a post op -- pussy kind of shallow and felt weird. I think most of these girls may be.
You think the white girl korean girls are often postop ?
Or gogo in general ?
Tricky. As long it's just a suspicion. Wouldn't want to fuck a guy in the ass. Hiv. Big risk.
Uncle Volodya
07-05-17, 06:22
You think the white girl korean girls are often postop ?
Or gogo in general ?
Tricky. As long it's just a suspicion. Wouldn't want to fuck a guy in the ass. Hiv. Big risk.If we are talking about the ones that hang outside of Lucifer, yes.
I also posted asking about them a couple of years ago on the board and some members also confirmed this.
But I can't say I am 100% sure.
If we are talking about the ones that hang outside of Lucifer, yes.
I also posted asking about them a couple of years ago on the board and some members also confirmed this.
But I can't say I am 100% sure.I don't go with street walkers, only go to gogo bars. Maybe a girl or 2 on soi 6.
Banana Boi
07-05-17, 15:26
Wonder if anyone has had any experience with the apparently Korean only white hotty girls on WS? White girls? Do you mean the Russians? They're going to cost you way more than 3500 baht ST. Or are you referring to the pale skinned gogo dancers you will find at Sensations and Baccara? Sure they will go with you for 3500 baht ST. As with most top gogo girls who have a choice, chances will drop the older you are though. They will make up a reason like they are dick scared.
When are you in Pattaya again? I'm more than happy to meet up with a FKK compadre.
SearcherMan
07-06-17, 07:52
I had one a couple of years ago. It was end of evening and everything was shutting down, otherwise I don't think she'd go with me.
She was OK and a good shag. But everything about her was fake and I have a sneaking suspicion she was a post op -- pussy kind of shallow and felt weird. I think most of these girls may be.There's a counter-phenomenon of CIS-gendered women getting confused with both pre and post-op trans women. My current GFE girl here says she loses a lot of biz because of that. She has small boobs, and a strikingly Native / Mexican looking face that seems too exotically beautiful to those used to the majority of Thai facial types. I know from her C-section scar and tongue inspection of vagina she very likely isn't one. I saw a 6 ft plus woman last night that I thought at first had to be a LB, but was so delicately boned in the face and body, I wondered if she might be misidentified. Usually tall trans have such an easy tell.
SmilingBuddha
07-07-17, 02:50
Hi all,
I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.
I am down from Chiang Mai visiting a friend. I don't know if all of the bars will be closed on the beach side of Sukhumvit or not. If yes, I was wondering if the bars on the other side might be open. I have never been over there. I have a Thailand drivers license and could rent a car to explore the area. Are there any particular bars that are recommended for a visit? Again, this second query depends on whether or not the bars over there will be open tomorrow.
Thanks in advance.
Blanquiceleste
07-07-17, 07:18
I am down from Chiang Mai visiting a friend. I don't know if all of the bars will be closed on the beach side of Sukhumvit or not. If yes, I was wondering if the bars on the other side might be open. I have never been over there. I have a Thailand drivers license and could rent a car to explore the area. Are there any particular bars that are recommended for a visit? Again, this second query depends on whether or not the bars over there will be open tomorrow.
Thanks in advance.Yes, on Jul 08 and Jul 09 everything is closed. No alcohol sales on these dates. Sunday midnight, Jul 10 alcohol sales will resume.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwaiJ1_ESQ
This appears to be a video of soi 7 from 7 year ago, notice how the girls are not old and ugly. Seems like fun. I missed out.
July 7 and 8 is Buddha Day, so everything closes from 9 pm - 3 am. So where do we get girls during that time?
Hi all,
I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.You will find Indian near Nana plaza in Bangkok and near the bus stop with the Africans. South Asians can be found in Pattaya, go to WS.
LittleBigMan
07-07-17, 15:23
I am down from Chiang Mai visiting a friend. I don't know if all of the bars will be closed on the beach side of Sukhumvit or not. If yes, I was wondering if the bars on the other side might be open. I have never been over there. I have a Thailand drivers license and could rent a car to explore the area. Are there any particular bars that are recommended for a visit? Again, this second query depends on whether or not the bars over there will be open tomorrow.
Thanks in advance.One thing for sure the Darkside will be closed save the car rental.
One thing for sure the Darkside will be closed save the car rental.Thanks LBM,
Apparently the holiday closings are a two day afffair for many of the establishments I visited in Pattaya last night.
Banana Boi
07-08-17, 06:16
July 7 and 8 is Buddha Day, so everything closes from 9 pm - 3 am. So where do we get girls during that time?Hit beach road if you don't have available girls on your Line.
SearcherMan
07-08-17, 09:02
Went to LK Metro for my first time with my GFE lady last night. Really laid back but lively alternative to WS and Sois 7&8. We went to Ninja gogo. Very pretty lineup of dancers, but a low enthusiasm rate, dance wise. But if I was solo I would not have had trouble picking out a lively one to my tastes. My woman enjoys watching the different ladies dancing at various gogos, she said. I didn't want to be a bad customer for her, so I bit the bullet and offered to barfine one for her to have sex with back at the hotel. She laughed good naturedly, and said she doesn't do lesbian. I assured her, with equal tongue and cheek jocularity, that I only wanted to be polite, and make her happy. The BF there is 1000, which would've been an expensive offer for lesbian fun anyway. And I'm sure these gogo primadonnas would've demanded more for ST than the 2000 LT I was paying my GFE.
The gogo and rest of LK closed down at midnight for the holiday. By my girl, who was acquainted with the Ninja mngr, said they'd be open the holiday but not selling booze. Sorry I didn't get hours and more specifics on that.
Christian G
07-08-17, 09:22
July 7 and 8 is Buddha Day, so everything closes from 9 pm - 3 am. So where do we get girls during that time?Beach road, Thaifriendly, Badoo, Tinder, WeChat, etc.
Old New Guy
07-08-17, 16:42
July 7 and 8 is Buddha Day, so everything closes from 9 pm - 3 am. So where do we get girls during that time?At the temple! Just work out some Buddhist pick-us lines.
Old New Guy
07-08-17, 16:47
Hi all,
I am going to Thailand next month. Can I find Indian / south Asian women in Pattaya and Bangkok? I would appreciate any suggestions.Yes, many are desperate for additional income at the India / Paki / Bangladesh consulates in Bangkok, easy to pick up! Just be discreet, do not offer more than 750 bahts. If you bring a friend to two, that will help.
I would greatly appreciate an update on the Soi 6 situation after tomorrow.
Some super hero go there and see if the closed till 6 pm Rule is sticking or if it was just for show.
What other areas are worth visiting during the day? The beach front bars like 5-star and the Soi 7 places? Will all of the girls just migrate there?
I didn't care what they did to WS, but touching Soi 6 breaks my heart. Someone go do recon and let the forum know what's happening after Buddha's birthday.
July 7 and 8 is Buddha Day, so everything closes from 9 pm - 3 am. So where do we get girls during that time?Actually it is July 8 and 9. I just walked around in the area of Soi 13. Most beer bars are closed, I saw a few with a handful of customers sitting in the dark and without music.
Massage parlors are open.
And I was chatting for a while with a 'soapy girl' on WeChat who said she was working at the moment. So I guess the soapies are open too.
This board got really quiet!
Any updates on the Soi 6 situation?
Who has feet on the ground?
Have all of the women migrated to other areas during the day, or have they decided to go completely online?
I'm trying to figure out my day time schedule for my next trip and any updates would be awesome!
SearcherMan
07-11-17, 02:40
This board got really quiet!
Any updates on the Soi 6 situation?
Who has feet on the ground?
Have all of the women migrated to other areas during the day, or have they decided to go completely online?
I'm trying to figure out my day time schedule for my next trip and any updates would be awesome!You missed my TR from last week. RTFF.
You missed my TR from last week. RTFF.I read your rookie reports and wasn't impressed. They are old too. I was asking for information related to after Buddha's birthday. Don't tell someone to RTFF if you can't even properly read two posts.
I want a new update because some of the Nightwish Group owners have made their anger known and I want an update on changes which were handed down last Friday before the alcohol was shut off for the holiday.
So, back to my original inquiry. Can someone there tell me what's going on with Soi 6 from 1 pm to 6 pm Currently.
Anyone know if the girls at hillary 4 can be barfined?
This board got really quiet!
Any updates on the Soi 6 situation?
Who has feet on the ground?
Have all of the women migrated to other areas during the day, or have they decided to go completely online?
I'm trying to figure out my day time schedule for my next trip and any updates would be awesome!No alcohol served until 6 pm, as per the law. It's just the reality of the situation. Full lineup of girls don't show up until 6 pm. But, massage joints are still open so you could check out Soi Honey and Paradise massage. That's honestly what I have been doing in Pattaya during the daytime (not a drinker) as I find the talent there much, much better looking. Paradise Massage in particular, and the whole street + nearby streets like chaiyaporn have massage ladies. Check it out, it's a great daytime area that nobody ever seems to talk about nearly as much as soi 6.
Blanquiceleste
07-11-17, 16:38
Anyone know if the girls at hillary 4 can be barfined?This probably belongs in the BKK thread. Short answer. YES.
I read your rookie reports and wasn't impressed. They are old too. I was asking for information related to after Buddha's birthday. Don't tell someone to RTFF if you can't even properly read two posts.
I want a new update because some of the Nightwish Group owners have made their anger known and I want an update on changes which were handed down last Friday before the alcohol was shut off for the holiday.
So, back to my original inquiry. Can someone there tell me what's going on with Soi 6 from 1 pm to 6 pm Currently.Can't see the point in asking for updates after one of the many alcohol ban nights when you don't seem to be there and planning a trip that doesn't seem to be tomorrow.
Life starts again after the bans. Everytime, everywhere in Thailand.
Sometime doesn't even stop.
Can't see the point in asking for updates after one of the many alcohol ban nights when you don't seem to be there and planning a trip that doesn't seem to be tomorrow.
Life starts again after the bans. Everytime, everywhere in Thailand.
Sometime doesn't even stop.My trip starts on Saturday. It's close enough together that I'd like updates now. I had originally planned on all of August, but I decided to make it July instead.
But, massage joints are still open so you could check out Soi Honey and Paradise massage. That's honestly what I have been doing in Pattaya during the daytime (not a drinker) as I find the talent there much, much better looking. Paradise Massage in particular, and the whole street + nearby streets like chaiyaporn have massage ladies. Check it out, it's a great daytime area that nobody ever seems to talk about nearly as much as soi 6.About a year ago I got a massage from a nice girl in Soi Honey. When we had agreed on a price for the 'extra service' she pulled out a condom. WTF? A CBJ in Pattaya? I paid her for the massage and left. Maybe it was just bad luck or there was a clap explosion at the time, I don't know.
Anyway I agree the talent at the massage joints in that area is often better looking. And you might as well take a look in Soi 13-1 and 13-2.
I have booked my flight for my first trip to Thailand in February and after reading the different Thailand Reports I'm bursting with impatience to get there and to get amongst it all. Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? Also is the Kittens club at the Penthouse Hotel open now?
Thanks in advance.
I have booked my flight for my first trip to Thailand in February and after reading the different Thailand Reports I'm bursting with impatience to get there and to get amongst it all. Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? Also is the Kittens club at the Penthouse Hotel open now?
Thanks in advance.I recommend to use the forum search, to get a balanced idea about Devils Den. The owner promotes it heavily on another forum, so there are probably a fair amount of "modest" reviews and also those who may be concerned to post public reviews that are fair / balanced.
Christian G
07-12-17, 23:09
Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? IMHO the line up and average service at Devil's Den is not worth the price.
I recommend to use the forum search, to get a balanced idea about Devils Den. The owner promotes it heavily on another forum, so there are probably a fair amount of "modest" reviews and also those who may be concerned to post public reviews that are fair / balanced.Thanks for the advice. It seems very mixed. I will be cashed up so I will give it a shot as I will regret it if I don't LOL. Thanks for your help.
FunExplorer
07-13-17, 12:17
I have booked my flight for my first trip to Thailand in February and after reading the different Thailand Reports I'm bursting with impatience to get there and to get amongst it all. Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? Also is the Kittens club at the Penthouse Hotel open now?
Thanks in advance.Kittens Club is permanently closed.
Blanquiceleste
07-14-17, 11:13
I have booked my flight for my first trip to Thailand in February and after reading the different Thailand Reports I'm bursting with impatience to get there and to get amongst it all. Can anyone tell me if the reviews on the Devils Den website are accurate as it on my wish list to visit there? Also is the Kittens club at the Penthouse Hotel open now?
Thanks in advance.DD has been extensively reviewed on this forum. So I really wonder if due effort has been made to do a thorough search. As with almost everything in life, one man's trash is another's treasure. P4 P is no different, so please keep in mind that YMMV.
DD's model is simple. All girls listed on the site look pretty close to reality, some might have more makeup than others. The stuff they all do is clearly documented. If you do the deed onsite, you have to take 2 ladies and the place makes you feel like a pornstar. So if you want to fulfil a fantasy, then this is the place. If you book a lady to visit you at you hotel, then you can ask for just one girl. Prices are all fixed, no negotiation.
The place is owned and run by an America, so is very friendly and patient with all questions. I would suggest you give him a call and ask him everything and even book the girl you want in advance to avoid last minute disappointment.
Christian G
07-14-17, 12:48
DD's model is simple. All girls listed on the site look pretty close to reality, some might have more makeup than others. The stuff they all do is clearly documented. If you do the deed onsite, you have to take 2 ladies and the place makes you feel like a pornstar. So if you want to fulfil a fantasy, then this is the place. If you book a lady to visit you at you hotel, then you can ask for just one girl. Prices are all fixed, no negotiation.
They also offer onsite nuru massage and you can take only 1 girl for this service.
They also offer onsite nuru massage and you can take only 1 girl for this service.Fair enough, but its specialty is the 3-some.
Doing an outcall with one only can be dine eith anyone as long as you are certain about her services.
Within that boundary any can fit.
You don't go to a top sushi restaurant to eat a Kobe steak.
SearcherMan
07-14-17, 18:55
Pattaya was a better experience for me this time than when I first went in 2004. This time I tried out Soi 6. Getting there before 6 PM was the only way I would do it in the future. You can buy them a soda and the lineup is good enough to pick out two for a threesome. But what really stood out for me was the reliability and hidden value of Soi 7. Both in 2004, and this last trip, the understated beer bars came through with gorgeous LT GFE's for me, Happiness Stars back then, and Red Vanda this time. Next time I go I will repeat, (with more financial savvy): Soi 6ST PSE, until I find a keeper on Soi 7, or similar beer bar.
I wrote a post about 106 pages back. I want to re-post it with some additional info for the new bros who won't read back further than five pages and assume they have Pattaya figured out. This list gets updated every six months or so and I strongly recommend reading it for the first-timers.
This is for complete beginners, so older members might think the observations are childish, because older members have been doing it for so long.
I won't give play by plays of my experiences unless it helps solidify my points. As always, older members are always welcome to chime in with their observations.
Another note, I'll be in Pattaya the second week of August. If you want to party, PM me.
I was 31 years old when I first visited LOS. I am a 6'2" (188 cm) 218 pound (99 kg) white American male. I have abs, an outgoing personality, and can bench more than my weight for reps. I can get girls easily in every country I've visited. I'm not bragging, I only included this info because I want to emphasise that I paid the exact same for the girls as every other member of this board. Looks do not matter! The girls want your wallet, not your abs. If I walked into a gogo and didn't buy LD (lady drinks) they would ignore me just as quickly as they would ignore an 80 year old fat ass. However, I can recall several occasions where pot-bellied men started throwing cash around without question. They were much more popular than me. Always remember the motto; "cash is king".
I lurked on this board for about six months before my first trip and back-read reports for over 100 pages. I strongly suggest each monger do the same before they visit Pattaya. (but I know most of you won't).
Here are my tips that you should absolutely follow:
1. You should be able to quote price ranges for any service within each part of town at any given time of the day / week / year. You'll learn these prices from reading the last 100 pages of this forum. Don't be lazy, just do it! If you can't name at least three Soi 6 bars, or the average price of a FL on BR at 6 am, then you haven't read enough.
2. You should understand this is not your country or culture! People here act differently; don't expect them to change for you simply because you are unable to change for them. (which leads to my next tip).
3. Keep your eyes open. When you enter any place, hotels, restaurants, go-go's, it doesn't matter, look around and pay attention to what other people are doing. If you see a monger groping a girl and the girl is laughing, you are allowed to do the same. If you see mongers sitting on their hands, you better do the same until you see otherwise. Also, keep in mind that some people can do things others cannot. Indians get treated differently than Japanese, that's just the way it is. Know where you fit in. You'll have plenty of fun regardless of your background.
4. Plan on using at least 6,000 baht a day. Don't think you can get by with less on your first trip. Being tight with your wallet will ruin your holiday and leave a sour taste in your mouth. Don't try to argue on this one. If you can't bring at least 6,000 a day, don't go. After your first trip, you can plan on how much to bring, but first time just do as I say! That 6,000 does not include hotel fare either, you cheap bastard. Seasoned Pattaya mongers spend a lot less because they already know what works for them. There is also a lot of debate about this number from seasoned guys.
5. Have a vague game plan before you leave your hotel each morning. You don't have to plan every minute but at least know what part of town you want to visit. Thailand is hot, you don't want to be standing in the sun trying to decide where to go.
6. Don't try to do everything in one day. I know it's your holiday but don't go overboard. I tried to visit LK Metro, Soi 6, WS, and go shopping all on my first day. It led to me feeling hurried and stressed. I spent more time walking than I did enjoying my holiday. I realized that aiming for two destinations a day is a lot better. Soi 6 in the afternoon then WS at night worked beautifully for me. You can mix and match destinations.
7. Learn to love the baht buses. I walked everywhere the first two days; it was awful! I was staying near WS and I walked to Soi 6 and back several times. It was a big mistake. I eventually hopped on a baht bus, and everything was a lot easier after that revelation.
8. Lower your standards for what you need in a hotel. Like tip 2 suggests, don't expect things to be like back home. Do you really need to stay at a 5-star hotel? If the same answer is yes, go ahead and spend a ton of money. You should make a list of the things you absolutely need in a hotel. My list was short: bed, toilet, near WS. I found a hotel with average ratings which was cheap. Turns out the hotel was freaking great! It was worth way more than the cost. I'll be staying there again.
9. Don't be shy! This is a rookie mistake I made. I tried being a gentleman and it made my trip less enjoyable. If you want a girl, go for it! Approach her, talk with her.
10. Just because you aren't shy doesn't mean you have a pass to be rude. Be the man with a smile, not the man with fist. If something frustrates you, remember this is your holiday. Let it go!
11. Relax! You will be overwhelmed your first time in Pattaya. You will get a flood of weird emotions. When that happens, find a relaxing place to reset and reassess your reasons for the visit. You read all these reports of men who land 11 girls in 6 days and you feel the need to do the same. The pressure can be bigger than you realized. Don't try to be that guy on your first trip. Be the guy laughing happily, not the dehydrated one looking to refill fluids. If you see a girl who gets you going, have fun! If you are tired from the previous girl, don't feel like you have to get another just to keep up with studs on this board. They've been here several times. They've been training for the marathon. You're still just a sprinter. Some of the guys in this forum are freaks of nature. Even with pills, I can't keep up with their numbers.
12. Try eating at different places for each meal. This one is a little more personal, but I feel the need to say it since I love experiencing new things. Don't go to the same place over and over. Also, be wary of seafood if it's been sitting outside all day.
IllusionHeart added these:
13. If you like a girl at a bar or gogo then barfine her or close the deal for ST or LT whichever you may like. Chances are that she will probably not be there if you come back for her after hopping few more places. There are tons of beautiful girls to meet everyone's taste and the search for the perfect one sometimes proves endless or tiresome. Hence as they say, "a bird in hand is better than 2 in the Bush. " Spend time enjoying the company of a girl rather then searching for the most beautiful girl around.
14. Girls are available around the clock in Pattaya. Do research for places if you have morning or day time preferences and you can roll 24 x 7 if you have the urge and stamina.
15. Do some reading on Ladyboys especially if you are not into them on how to identify and avoid as you can get a surprise in your room if haven't asked them before about their gender.
And the forum previously added this advice.
16. Know your drinking limit. If you get angry after seven beers, stop drinking at six. Your holiday will be quickly ruined if you make a drunken mistake. You don't want to start a fight in Thailand, and you don't want to be passed out drunk in the streets.
17. Know when to let stuff go. If the sign says "80 baht beer" but they charge me 90, I'll just let it go. 10 baht isn't worth fighting for. I once saw a monger angrily yell at two bartenders in the early afternoon because he was given a San Miguel Light instead of a regular San Miguel. I couldn't believe it! Don't be that guy. 1000 baht might be worth a disagreement, but 10 baht isn't.
18. Don't immediately get defensive when a girl quotes you a high price. If a BR FL asks for 1500, don't automatically think she trying to scam you out of your money. She's just trying to get what she can; don't take it as a personal offense because she didn't open with 800 or less. It is okay to negotiate, but it isn't okay to believe she hates you because that's what she asked for. Some guys take bargaining personal, please don't.
19. You'll see tons of posts in this forum arguing about money or complaining about Pattaya not being as great as it was; take those posts with a grain of salt. Many of them are bitter vets, or jealous haters. If you're new, you'll have the time of your life!
20. Maintain a high energy attitude! Dress hip / cool, act hip, show energy vs lethargy, and come across as a fun guy. Girls (particularly the younger ones) don't want just a boring guy. And more so, if like me, you stick with the under (say) 28. Haven123 added this one.
21. Never ever fall in love with a professional or non-professional girl. For me it is unbelievable how many Thai girls have 3, 5 or more different foreign friends at the same time who support "her girl" with money every month and every one of these guys thinks, that he is her only friend. Added by Michager.
22. OldNewGuy wants me to add that looks do matter somewhat when trying to pull the hottest FL (freelancers) from clubs like Ibar. I guess you shouldn't get discouraged if you can't pull the absolute hottest from that location.
As always, older members are encouraged to add to this list. Your advice is more helpful than you may realize. I'll continue to add to this list and post an updated one in six months or so.
SearcherMan
07-15-17, 19:43
"19. You'll see tons of posts in this forum arguing about money or complaining about Pattaya not being as great as it was; take those posts with a grain of salt. Many of them are bitter vets, or jealous haters. If you're new, you'll have the time of your life!
Good advice.
Luckily I avoided the "bitter vet" trap. Most of us old hands have a version of the "good ole days". For me it was repeated visits to the Ermita, Manila gogos in the late 80's, early 90's. Dozens of screamingly gorgeous Pinays on stage, fresh from the provinces, at rates that were excellent, even if you account for inflation. I figured out pretty quickly in 2004 that LOS wasn't that, not anymore anyway, if it ever was. But the complexity of Pattaya makes the hunt more satisfying than those Ermita days. The food is better too.
-4. "Plan on using at least 6,000 baht a day. Don't think you can get by with less on your first trip. Being tight with your wallet will ruin your holiday and leave a sour taste in your mouth. Don't try to argue on this one. If you can't bring at least 6,000 a day, don't go. After your first trip, you can plan on how much to bring, but first time just do as I say! That 6,000 does not include hotel fare either, you cheap bastard. Seasoned Pattaya mongers spend a lot less because they already know what works for them. There is also a lot of debate about this number from seasoned guys. ".
I have been to Pattaya once about 12 years ago before and did not spend anywhere close to that amount of money. Exchange rate then was about 39 thb to a dollar. I think I spent around $15 a night for motel, the roof garden inn, then Mr chans art house. Roof garden might have been $20. Food was about $1 a meal out of food carts. I spent about $20 a night on beer and lady drinks. I think I was paying 500 thb for bar fine, maybe it was less, I can't remember. I was paying 1500 thb for overnight.
I was there 2 months and probably average a girl a week. I wasn't a cheap charlie, but I was frugal. I had a couple of girls I really liked at beach club and I would buy them 1 or 2 lady drinks a night. I stayed in a frugal motel. Roof Garden had a lot of people here reccomend it. I left because I didn't book ahead and it filled up. Mr chans, next door, was a little rougher, but the people who worked there were really nice anpersomable.
-4. "Plan on using at least 6,000 baht a day. Don't think you can get by with less on your first trip. Being tight with your wallet will ruin your holiday and leave a sour taste in your mouth. Don't try to argue on this one. If you can't bring at least 6,000 a day, don't go. After your first trip, you can plan on how much to bring, but first time just do as I say! That 6,000 does not include hotel fare either, you cheap bastard. Seasoned Pattaya mongers spend a lot less because they already know what works for them. There is also a lot of debate about this number from seasoned guys. ".
I have been to Pattaya once about 12 years ago before and did not spend anywhere close to that amount of money. Exchange rate then was about 39 thb to a dollar. I think I spent around $15 a night for motel, the roof garden inn, then Mr chans art house. Roof garden might have been $20. Food was about $1 a meal out of food carts. I spent about $20 a night on beer and lady drinks. I think I was paying 500 thb for bar fine, maybe it was less, I can't remember. I was paying 1500 thb for overnight.
I was there 2 months and probably average a girl a week. I wasn't a cheap charlie, but I was frugal. I had a couple of girls I really liked at beach club and I would buy them 1 or 2 lady drinks a night. I stayed in a frugal motel. Roof Garden had a lot of people here reccomend it. I left because I didn't book ahead and it filled up. Mr chans, next door, was a little rougher, but the people who worked there were really nice anpersomable.It's better to have extra money if you need it rather than needing it but not having it, right? You openly admitted you were frugal, had a cheap hotel, and were getting one girl a week. Your comment will lead any Indians or other new mongers to believe they can get by one 1 k a day. I could close my eyes right now and plan out an entire day and say what I would spend at each location. That's how I could make my budget. A new guy doesn't have that luxury, so I advocate being on the safe side and say 6,000 baht. As it states, Seasoned Pattaya guys spend less.
LOL, number 4 always creates the most conversation. Thanks for reading!
My tablet went dead so I did not get to finish my post. Then I got on my computer, wrote several more paragraph and lost them. I am taking that as a sign that whatever else I had to say wasnt meant to happen.
-4. "Plan on using at least 6,000 baht a day. Don't think you can get by with less on your first trip. Being tight with your wallet will ruin your holiday and leave a sour taste in your mouth. Don't try to argue on this one. If you can't bring at least 6,000 a day, don't go. After your first trip, you can plan on how much to bring, but first time just do as I say! That 6,000 does not include hotel fare either, you cheap bastard. Seasoned Pattaya mongers spend a lot less because they already know what works for them. There is also a lot of debate about this number from seasoned guys. "
I have been to Pattaya once about 12 years ago before and did not spend anywhere close to that amount of money. Exchange rate then was about 39 thb to a dollar. I think I spent around $15 a night for motel, the roof garden inn, then Mr chans art house. Roof garden might have been $20. Food was about $1 a meal out of food carts. I spent about $20 a night on beer and lady drinks. I think I was paying 500 thb for bar fine, maybe it was less, I can't remember. I was paying 1500 thb for overnight.
I was there 2 months and probably average a girl a week. I wasn't a cheap charlie, but I was frugal. I had a couple of girls I really liked at beach club and I would buy them 1 or 2 lady drinks a night. I stayed in a frugal motel. Roof Garden had a lot of people here reccomend it. I left because I didn't book ahead and it filled up. Mr chans, next door, was a little rougher, but the people who worked there were really nice anpersomable. Rates have gone up since 2005. The exchange rate is now just 30 baht per dollar.
The suggestion to budget 6000 baht per day is reasonable and, if anything, may be on the low side now. If one thinks they want to indulge in high end gogo girls, they need to bring more. If they will concentrate on BR and Soi 6, they can get by with a little less. My recommendation is to prepay your hotel by credit card, then add up your expected expenses based upon the type of mongering you plan on doing and budget accordingly. Certainly, if this will be a once-in-a-lifetime experience, don't skimp out!
Rates have gone up since 2005. The exchange rate is now just 30 baht per dollar.
The suggestion to budget 6000 baht per day is reasonable and, if anything, may be on the low side now. If one thinks they want to indulge in high end gogo girls, they need to bring more. If they will concentrate on BR and Soi 6, they can get by with a little less. My recommendation is to prepay your hotel by credit card, then add up your expected expenses based upon the type of mongering you plan on doing and budget accordingly. Certainly, if this will be a once-in-a-lifetime experience, don't skimp out!The world does change. I am going there in August. I am here reading to get an idea on what has changed. So didn't mean my post as any kind of disagreement. I am thankful for the info and advice from here.
Dive Monger
07-16-17, 00:29
Rates have gone up since 2005. The exchange rate is now just 30 baht per dollar.
The suggestion to budget 6000 baht per day is reasonable and, if anything, may be on the low side now. If one thinks they want to indulge in high end gogo girls, they need to bring more. If they will concentrate on BR and Soi 6, they can get by with a little less. My recommendation is to prepay your hotel by credit card, then add up your expected expenses based upon the type of mongering you plan on doing and budget accordingly. Certainly, if this will be a once-in-a-lifetime experience, don't skimp out!I think this is a good general ballpark figure. I was just there a month ago, and can confirm that prices have doubled or even tripled since the early 2000's. I get by with 4000-5000 per day (exclusive of hotel, which I prepay by credit card) and am very comfortable. But I am in my 60's and not the firecracker stud I was 30 years ago. Now most days I just drink and flirt with the girls, maybe hang on the beach or the hotel pool a bit, get a foot massage, whatever. Figure 2000 on food drink and miscellaneous during most daytime (when I decide to hit Soi 6 for daytime then my punting expenses happen during the afternoon instead of the evening) then a 2000 or 3000 more for the evening. My preference is to meet my evening company sometime after dinner early, then an early BF and dancing, drinking maybe some other places, and an overnight back at my hotel. For this I pay 2000 to the girl, plus whatever the bar fine is (none for a FL, 300-1200 for venues from beer bars to gogos and in between depending upon where I find my mark). Days that I want to splurge on a quite attractive gogo girl add 1000-1500 to my days expenses, days that I do my punting on Soi 6 in the afternoon subtract about 1000 or so. I recommend going to various places, you never know where you are going to find that gem (WS, Beach Rd, Soi 6, LK Metro, Soi Bukhao, wherever).
From conversations with others when there, it seems definitely that young bucks who want to do 3 different stunners a day will be shelling out a LOT more. I know I spent gobs of cash in my heyday when doing things like taking four or five gorgeous girls for a private party. But those days are now in the distant memory banks, and I am just a mellow old guy who likes the company of an attractive, younger (than me), personable girl who will make me feel good all night (and only part of that time is doing the deed). Yes I can get crazy and pretend I'm 20 years younger with a bunch of blue pills and Red Bull, but after a few days it gets old and I get tired and feeling it is not worth it. Sometimes on my trips nowadays, I find a keeper and buy her out of her bar for three or four days in a row, and we go somewhere nice out of the city. It is Thailand: go with the flow, have a wonderful time, and enjoy what comes your way.
I personally budget about 9,000 baht a day. I rarely use anywhere near that much though. I always come home with money left over and no regrets from being a cheap charlie. I've found that worrying about costs can dampen a holiday.
Sadly, this forum gets lurkers who think, 700 baht for a room, 50 baht for each meal, 350 for Soi 6 room, and 1000 for the girl. Maybe 300 for beer, since it's so cheap. I won't buy girl drinks. Those drinks are a rip off anyways. So, I just need 2,500 baht a day! And that's including the hotel!
I've seen people do their budgets like this and fully believe that's what will happen; it gives me a headache.
Also, notice that I said 6,000 after paying for the hotel room. If you are a lurker, don't be a stupid cheap charlie! Trust the veterans!
What's so terrible about saying LOS was better years ago? It was better IMHO and most others too. Girls were prettier, service was better, and it was much cheaper. It doesn't mean you should stay away now. Few, if any, other destinations are better than LOS for this hobby today. I can't wait to get back.
3. Keep your eyes open. When you enter any place, hotels, restaurants, go-go's, it doesn't matter, look around and pay attention to what other people are doing. If you see a monger groping a girl and the girl is laughing, you are allowed to do the same. If you see mongers sitting on their hands, you better do the same until you see otherwise. Also, keep in mind that some people can do things others cannot. Indians get treated differently than Japanese, that's just the way it is. Know where you fit in. You'll have plenty of fun regardless of your background.Hah looks like we may be in Pattaya at the same time? I'm starting out in Bangkok 23-26 then Pattaya 26-31. Short trip but all I could pull off in terms of days.
Indians get treated differently than Japanese. In what way if you don't mind me asking? I'm Hispanic but depending on where I am / who I'm interacting with people may confuse me for different races. Hispanics usually know I'm Hispanic. From there I've gotten confused for a lot of things including Indian / Middle Eastern. At the very least, I'll have a Northeast American accent hah.
Anyway, I feel like I'll need to explain at least a few times while I'm there that I'm not what they think I am so just wondering what I should expect.
HorneeFalang
07-16-17, 06:24
What's so terrible about saying LOS was better years ago? It was better IMHO and most others too. Girls were prettier, service was better, and it was much cheaper. It doesn't mean you should stay away now. Few, if any, other destinations are better than LOS for this hobby today. I can't wait to get back.Yes, this is still is a wonderful place for our hobby. Sure it has changed for the worse but still a lot of delicious fresh things appear on the scene daily. My sons friends (22) were asking me for the Intel for their first mission. The advice I gave is the advice I have provided here "Come with plenty of cash (6,000-8,000 THB per day) a smile and go with the flow and you will be treated like a King" 6,000-8,000 for ladies and drinks etc. A day is extremely excessive, however this upgraded amount will see your experience go from a 7 to a 10. An experience you will never forget for this and the next life.
Cheap Charlie options are available and also guaranteed a wonderful experience. But as many wise Mongers on this site have mentioned it is like going from a Toyota to a Mercedes Benz. You can also take that approach with most things here in LOS. Slightly increase your budget and the experience and value exceeds expectations. EG: Hotel rooms. Happy hunting.
My tablet went dead so I did not get to finish my post. Then I got on my computer, wrote several more paragraph and lost them. I am taking that as a sign that whatever else I had to say wasnt meant to happen.I laughed out loud. Honestly. Great post.
I spent 382 a day not including flights but including hotel.
I wrote a post about 106 pages back. I want to re-post it with some additional info for the new bros who won't read back further than five pages and assume they have Pattaya figured out. This list gets updated every six months or so and I strongly recommend reading it for the first-timers.
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I would like to add tip number 23: Always lick pussy. 99.9% of the girls LOVE it and will be grateful you're not selfish and try to give them a good time as well.
And tip number 24: Find out what suits you most and stick to that. Don't think you MUST love agogo's or Soi 6 or whatever because other guys on the forum are lyrical about them / it. If you don't feel at ease somewhere or think 'meh' then move on to a place you like. Always go your own way and do what you like. It's YOUR holiday.
I spent 382 a day not including flights but including hotel.382 Baht? USD? EUR?
17. Know when to let stuff go. If the sign says "80 baht beer" but they charge me 90, I'll just let it go. 10 baht isn't worth fighting for. Sometimes the 10% service charge is not included in the signs.
19. You'll see tons of posts in this forum arguing about money or complaining about Pattaya not being as great as it was; take those posts with a grain of salt. Many of them are bitter vets, or jealous haters. We'll speak again in about 5 to 10 years from now when you're a vet yourself, LOL!
382 Baht? USD? EUR?Rubles.
NO. USD. Obviously, world default currency.
Rubles.
NO. USD. Obviously, world default currency.Oh really? But in Thailand the Thai baht is default so to me it makes more sense to use that currency in this thread.
Oh really? But in Thailand the Thai baht is default so to me it makes more sense to use that currency in this thread.Ok 382 baht.
I would like to add tip number 23: Always lick pussy. 99.9% of the girls LOVE it and will be grateful you're not selfish and try to give them a good time as well.
And tip number 24: Find out what suits you most and stick to that.Is 24 only applicable to current environment? Or does that go for every aspect of the trip? If 24 is for every aspect, your numbers contradict each other.
What if the first-timer hate eating pussy? I love eating pussy, but have no desire to put my tongue anywhere near the snatch of a Pattaya girl.
In my case, should I follow rule 23 or should I follow 24 and do what suits me?
I'd never feel comfortable telling a monger what to do once the door is closed. We are all freaks in this forum. Any sexual advice is likely to start tons of arguments.
24 is a good addition to that list, but I think 23 should be rewritten in a broader sense.
23. Keep the girls happy and they'll keep you happy?
Is 24 only applicable to current environment? Or does that go for every aspect of the trip? If 24 is for every aspect, your numbers contradict each other.
What if the first-timer hate eating pussy? I love eating pussy, but have no desire to put my tongue anywhere near the snatch of a Pattaya girl.
In my case, should I follow rule 23 or should I follow 24 and do what suits me?
I'd never feel comfortable telling a monger what to do once the door is closed. We are all freaks in this forum. Any sexual advice is likely to start tons of arguments.
24 is a good addition to that list, but I think 23 should be rewritten in a broader sense.
23. Keep the girls happy and they'll keep you happy?I don't think they are rules in the sense you have to follow them. I don't want to follow rule 23 either, but it never crossed my mind that I have too.
Oh really? But in Thailand the Thai baht is default so to me it makes more sense to use that currency in this thread.Agreed. Not only do many of us have different home currencies, exchange rates can vary quite a bit in even in a short period of time. For those reasons it makes sense for punters to state their Thailand spending in baht, and people can work backwards from there.
SL.
Agreed. Not only do many of us have different home currencies, exchange rates can vary quite a bit in even in a short period of time. For those reasons it makes sense for punters to state their Thailand spending in baht, and people can work backwards from there.
SL.Actually, nearly all my costs are expressed in USD on my bank statement. I simply added up all the money I spent and divided by the number of days I spent away.
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