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I believe the Luana on Hotside is the wrong girl. We want the big ass porn star. In March-May 2009, I heard she was at Black and White. But I was warned not to visit that neighborhood.
Thats the same girl i am talking about, she worked/works at B&W. She also had her own thread on hotside at one time. Maybe some of the americans who live in brasil can look on the brasilian sites and see some updates about her.
I've gone to L'uomo a few times, and still in FKK mode, took out the entrance fee to pay up front. Every time, they have refused to accept it. Since they discount the entry fee for sessioning with a girl, they wouldn't know what to charge anyway.I just want to confirm, does L'uomo always discount the entry when you session with a girl or is it only on a certain day they offer this special?
Thanks!
SlimHoleDrill
10-14-09, 11:53
At AMPs, Termas, Strip clubs, wherever, one should never identify theirself as a newbie. Did the newbie say something to cause them to believe he might not session, i.e. "just checking the place out?" Perhaps Luomo front desk was just covering their bet.
I didn't hear the whole conversation but its kind of hard to not look like a newbie when you are one. But I think that is the great thing about the top line places -- newbies don't have to worry. They don't getnripped off. I'm just wondering, now that a newbie who had done his homework posted this (sorry, forgot the name) and I saw it happen, if they are putting in a new policy. At least for first timers? I think they would have a problem with the rest of us. But Centauras did it. I would probably come around given the alternative of not going in. LOL!
Thats the same girl i am talking about, she worked/works at B&W. She also had her own thread on hotside at one time. Maybe some of the americans who live in brasil can look on the brasilian sites and see some updates about her.My friend that lives in Brasil is going to visit B &W. I gave him her name and photo. Told him to make sure she is in there. He\I also heard it's a rough hood but was told if you straight to spot from bus\cab should be ok. Plus was told the security was tight in the spot. I will update you after he goes.
If anybody get's update before please let me know.
Azn Safado
10-15-09, 02:46
I just want to confirm, does L'uomo always discount the entry when you session with a girl or is it only on a certain day they offer this special?
Thanks!
I think Luomo used to automatically discount R$10 when you sessioned with a girl on any day.
I know that they now discount R$30 (50% off) if you arrive before 7pm on any day of the week and session with a girl anytime during that stay. But I don't know if the R$10 discount above is still true.
Jamaicanceo
10-15-09, 03:29
Thats the same girl i am talking about, she worked/works at B&W. She also had her own thread on hotside at one time. Maybe some of the americans who live in brasil can look on the brasilian sites and see some updates about her.The girl on hotside is has the same name but not the thunder bunda and thighs of the porn star. Maybe I', on the wrong hotside site.
I think Luomo used to automatically discount R$10 when you sessioned with a girl on any day.
I know that they now discount R$30 (50% off) if you arrive before 7pm on any day of the week and session with a girl anytime during that stay. But I don't know if the R$10 discount above is still true.Thank you AS, I appreciate that.
I think Luomo used to automatically discount R$10 when you sessioned with a girl on any day.
I know that they now discount R$30 (50% off) if you arrive before 7pm on any day of the week and session with a girl anytime during that stay. But I don't know if the R$10 discount above is still true.
Yes, this is still true. Their entry is 70, but down to 60 if you session. If you come in before 7 pm, it goes down to 30 with session and 35 without. (10R discount for a 240R transaction is a real joke, but oh well). One thing I found out this time: you can come in before 7, get the discount, stay a while, then leave and return later without paying another entrance fee.
Azn Safado
10-15-09, 04:36
Yes, this is still true. Their entry is 70, but down to 60 if you session. If you come in before 7 pm, it goes down to 30 with session and 35 without. (10R discount for a 240R transaction is a real joke, but oh well). One thing I found out this time: you can come in before 7, get the discount, stay a while, then leave and return later without paying another entrance fee.
That's cool that you can leave and come back later without paying the entry again. I remember your recent airport story - "I think I want to stay another day" and end up back at Luomo a few hours later. Ha.
Hi,
I just answered a PM by a new member, who I had chatted with in L'uomo on Friday. I replied, but it seems that the message bounced. So I am replying here, hoping that my answers are also a little bit interesting for others:
I've passed at l'uomo three of my all time best five experiences. So I'm missing it big time... and the worst is that is not easy to me 'justify' another trip to Brazil in some years... is it possible to get in Europe an experience with Brazilians (or other) similar to Brazil?.
I would have loved to learn more from you on how to enjoy the girls outside the termes. I've never done that, but this time was necessary, mainly with Paola with who I had a terrific time. It's something I have to learn to do.
BTW given you're much more experienced than me, could you tell me what's the way of obtaining the most enjoyable experience with those girls?. Meeting with them outside of the club?. To be like boyfriends for some days?. Others?.
Many questions. Thanks. Looking forward to hearing from you. Best.
Brazilians in Europe? Germany has the FKK places. They are very attractive alternatives. There is a whole section in this forum on them, and they are actually cheaper than L'uomo. The occasional South American girl is there, but the majority are from Germany and Eastern Europe.
Also, a lot of Brazilian girls travel to Spain and in particular Portugal. But I have not mongered there.
London has the Lady Marmalade Parties (also a separate section in this forum). On my only visit (very enjoyable!!!) 4 out of 5 girls were from Brazil. But this is real group sex and may not be your thing.
The kind of connection you can make with the girl in a terma like L'uomo is, however, unrivaled anywhere in Europe.
How do I get the girls to go with me after hours? First, I concentrate all evening on just one girls and do not try to sleep with more than one. I have to do a little pre-screening, because I want to know if they have a boyfriend (most don't, but if they do, then that's a deal beaker right there). Also, they need to speak at least a very small bit of English. Then I get them the drinks they want and make them feel special, commenting on their beauty (whatever they are proud of: bunda, eyes, mouth, ...). I make sure I do plenty of kissing and touching and try to session no earlier than 11 pm. This way I know that there will not be time to get another customer after me. I make sure to make an attempt to use Portuguese when talking with them. After I session with them, I ask them to sit with me in the boite after the shower. More drinks, perhaps cigarettes. Then I ask if she wants to go dancing with me. Lapa, Help, her choice? If yes, great, let's do it. If no is the answer, I invite them to lunch or dinner to the restaurant of their choice. If they don't have a restaurant preference, I suggest Porcao in Flamengo, where they get the royal treatment. I always treat them like a girlfriend in public, not like a wh0re. Complimenting them, being real attentive, asking about their parents/kids/dogs/favorite soccer team. Once I suggest to go to my hotel, they are then always game.
Addition: once I am ready to pop the question to go to my hotel, I always hasten to say not for "sexo", but for "amor". (Translation: I want a freebie - but my version sounds better). "Es muito bonita", "Gusto muito de ti", and phrases like that you should learn by heart, even if you know no Portuguese (like me). When I throw them in with my English, they really appreciate the attempt. Holding hands and smiling like a love-drunk teenager also help. Yes, it may be all an act, but if you want the full experience of theatre, you have to immerse yourself ;)
No matter who a women is or what her intentions are, they all get jealous once you make a connection. This means in particular: do not check out other chicks when you are on your date. For any girl this is an absolute buzz-killer.
Two more things that are really important:
1. Be prepared that they become clingy! Make sure that you are willing to spend several days with the same girl, or otherwise have an escape route planned. Alternating between termas alone does not seem to be enough in some cases. In other words: select your girl very carefully!
2. NEVER give her real information about you (where you live, what your full name is, your phone number, your email). I know, many guys do this. But this is my one rule that I do not violate. What happens in Rio STAYS IN RIO!
Euro100 thanks for your advices, may I ask you, if she agree to spend all the night with you, how much you pay her ? Something as 300 reais, an average price for Help girl or maybe 200 reais is enough ? Do you ask how much she wants or you just give her the money you think it is right ?
Usually on second or third day spent with her, you no more pay her, despite entrance in disco or the dinner at Porcao or you keep on pay her as the first night ?
Thanks ;)
Jamaicanceo
10-15-09, 16:44
Euro100 thanks for your advices, may I ask you, if she agree to spend all the night with you, how much you pay her ? Something as 300 reais, an average price for Help girl or maybe 200 reais is enough ? Do you ask how much she wants or you just give her the money you think it is right ?
Usually on second or third day spent with her, you no more pay her, despite entrance in disco or the dinner at Porcao or you keep on pay her as the first night ?
Thanks ;)I sessioned with a girl at a Copa terma in March 2009 at 11p. After we cuddled and she came me her information. I returned to Rio in May, she came to my apartment and stay 3 nights and 4 days. I only took her out to eat as a GFE, and we fucked for free every night. On one day she took me to my first trip to Barra Tijuca mall by van and bus. I treated her to her favorite restaurant, Outbacks, at the big mall. We went window shopping at a smaller mall. She tried on a dress at one shop. While she was in the dressing room, I bought her a scarf I saw her staring at with glee.
The shop girls rush and wrapped it. When she came out of the room and was ready to go, I surprised her with the scarf at the glee of the sales girls for being romantic. At the mall the terma girls got me a new cellphone and turned it on using her name and west zone address.
The next day my girl bought me lunch. On the third day we screwed that morning. She showered first. But I got screwed. When it was my turn to showered, the city of Rio turned off the water the how day in all Rio to fix a treatment pipe. So she went to the Zona Sul market on Copa Blvdto get me bottled water to shower and breakfast.
So she took off from her terma for 4 days to be with me. And we had sushi with a buddie who date another terma girl.
My girl and I talk all the time. When she is traveling from her west zone to her Copa terma she calls me. And when she's home after work or on a day off she calls me. I usually acknowledge her call then call her on my international long distance card.
We talk and she is too proud to ask. But she is pretty and busy making money. One of the things she ask me in the beginning if I was jealous. That fctor give me the ability to see other women. She is so predictable.
Jamaicanceo thanks for sharing your experience.
Surely to do it, you do not have jealous and I am not, but I think your experience, that she took 4 days off, it happens very seldom, so congratulation for it ;)
What had Euro100, have her all night, it happens more often.
I think also that to have experience as you had, you need to go to Rio quite often, 2 or 3 times per year as me it is not enough.
And obviously to live there, give you great % to have an experience like this very very often.
I believe many mongers try to date them, so they choose and they probably have problem to choose too LOL.
I got until now only one terma girl with me to noon and surely it was the best night I had in Rio for quality, services, attitude and prices, I got the feeling I slept with an angel LOL....in comparison Help girl it just does not worth it at all.
SlimHoleDrill
10-15-09, 20:34
Yes, this is still true. Their entry is 70, but down to 60 if you session. If you come in before 7 pm, it goes down to 30 with session and 35 without. (10R discount for a 240R transaction is a real joke, but oh well). One thing I found out this time: you can come in before 7, get the discount, stay a while, then leave and return later without paying another entrance fee.
Hang on now. I have a live brain cell somewhere that says entry is 60, did they go up while I was not looking? Also, I had the strong impression that 3 sessions wiped out the entry fee, but don't remember the details. I agee with the 50 pct reduction before 7 but you have to watch them on this one. I plan to check closely. It may be small for the occasional user, but it adds up.
Hang on now. I have a live brain cell somewhere that says entry is 60, did they go up while I was not looking? Also, I had the strong impression that 3 sessions wiped out the entry fee, but don't remember the details. I agee with the 50 pct reduction before 7 but you have to watch them on this one. I plan to check closely. It may be small for the occasional user, but it adds up.
Well, I may be wrong here. I never really examined my bill that closely, and I was quoting what I seemed to remember. Actually, the only time I ever kept my bill was last Saturday, when I left at 7. And there I just wanted to check that they have charged me the R30 for early entry (... which they did).
As for 3 sessions: cannot tell either, because the most I have ever done at L'uomo was two sessions in one day. I just like to take advantage of the opportunity of the ultra-long foreplay in the boite, and then time seems to fly.
Euro100 thanks for your advices, may I ask you, if she agree to spend all the night with you, how much you pay her ? Something as 300 reais, an average price for Help girl or maybe 200 reais is enough ? Do you ask how much she wants or you just give her the money you think it is right ?
Usually on second or third day spent with her, you no more pay her, despite entrance in disco or the dinner at Porcao or you keep on pay her as the first night ?
Thanks ;)
Oh, sorry that I was not more clear on this point. I always try to get them to my hotel for free. For me that's the whole point of this game and clearly my favorite part of hunting in Rio. It's not that I could not afford it; I am spending enough in Rio as it is, and sometimes my bill for drinks alone in L'uomo is R400 or so. And, yes, I pay for dinner and drinks and entrance to the clubs. And, yes, this can easily add up to R300 or R400. So I am not necessarily ahead financially when I play my game. But I want to feel that I have accomplished something more than P4P, that I have established at least a little bit of a connection.
Why would this work, you ask? Once I sessioned with her in the terma, she has already earned enough for the day (at least R150, I believe, go to the girl). Then she can afford to make an investment into getting me into a long-term relationship and give me sugar for free in my hotel. That allows her to see herself also more in the role of a regular girl and not a gdp, and I get WAY better loving this way ... as does she (at least, I hope!). Plus, when I go back to L'uomo the next day I make a point of only having a session with her and taking care of her while I am there. This makes it pleasant for both of us, and lucrative enough for her. (That's why the "not sexo, but amor" talk is important when I negotiate for her to come to my hotel.)
The first time I tried this was with the famous Ingrid, about five years ago. And it worked. After that I figured that if it works with Ingrid, who is the queen of L'uomo, then it works with everybody. If memory serves me right, I have tried this a total of 9 time now, and it worked 6 times. Twice the girl did not show up at my hotel as promised, and once the girl wanted money (I reported on this incident a couple of years back), and then I sent her home.
"Big deal!," you may say. "The girls that do this make a calculation, too, just like you do. And their calculation is to get you into longer relationships that may be more profitable in the long term." Yes, maybe true. But to some degree all interactions between two people, lovers or not, are like this. Or maybe, just maybe, these girls have just as much of a need as I do to get out of the P4P business for just some time, and to get treated like a real lover with real feelings and real needs. That's what I am hoping for.
Euro 100 (and your new member friend)...
Is Paola (straight, long black hair with a fringe, indian looking) still at L'uomo?
I had a great time with her in Spring but I was told in June she had retired?
Or maybe, just maybe, these girls have just as much of a need as I do to get out of the P4P business for just some time, and to get treated like a real lover with real feelings and real needs. That's what I am hoping for.I think you're onto something here, at least with some of the girls. Let's keep in mind that most of the local men wouldn't be caught dead with a gdp outside of a terma setting, since many of them have a wife or girlfriend; or even if they didn't they don't want people gossiping that they're boinking a gdp.
Jamaicanceo
10-16-09, 07:00
I think you're onto something here, at least with some of the girls. Let's keep in mind that most of the local men wouldn't be caught dead with a gdp outside of a terma setting, since many of them have a wife or girlfriend; or even if they didn't they don't want people gossiping that they're boinking a gdp.Few Brazilian men could afford to go to top shelf termas. I asked my girl if her brothers or father knows she works at her terma. She said yes, but they don't know what goes on inside because they can't afford to go in. Plus she and her family lives in Bangu RJ 2 hours from Copa. She takes, a van to the bus stop, then to the metro, a total of 3 hours travel. At night she takes a cab.
With working 6 days a week, she loved the time we spent together. I helped her go from GDP to GFE. I think if you treat most of the girls special, they'll do the same to you. All SOME want is love.
Hi everyone here,
This is my first post, I can't get into this site very often. But I enjoy it each time I have the opportunity.
I would like to ask if you don't see a real 'risk' of falling in love with one these Brazilian goddess when you go out of the termas with them. The whole situation might be a theater but for sensitive people, as myself, I see difficult no to feel a crush after going for dinner, talking, sleeping, etc with a very pleasant beauty. Sometimes I have even difficulty of getting a girl out of my head if have had chemistry with her.
Euro 100 (and your new member friend)...
Is Paola (straight, long black hair with a fringe, indian looking) still at L'uomo?
I had a great time with her in Spring but I was told in June she had retired?
I don't know Paola, but I am pretty sure I saw a girl that fits this description. Retiring from this job is not easy for a lot of these girls.
I think you're onto something here, at least with some of the girls. Let's keep in mind that most of the local men wouldn't be caught dead with a gdp outside of a terma setting, since many of them have a wife or girlfriend; or even if they didn't they don't want people gossiping that they're boinking a gdp.I think it's great fun also, but it's nothing new.
I've been taking out pros on normal dates from Colombia to Venezuela to Brasil for years and years.
Treat them with some TLC and taking them out as regular girls pays off in dividends for sure.
PS ... Once they get out of the PFP environment, and dress appropriately, they look like normal girls.
Not like they have GDP stamped on their foreheads.
2. NEVER give her real information about you (where you live, what your full name is, your phone number, your email). I know, many guys do this. But this is my one rule that I do not violate. What happens in Rio STAYS IN RIO!Well, though I love your ideas on taking out the GDPs on normal dates, I have the opposite take on you your rule number 2.
I keep in touch with the girls and pick up where we left off when I return to their city and it only gets better and better.
Of course I visit Brasil constantly, I'm there about half the year, in and out, I like having various "amigas" available to hang with, without the GDP rushed feeling or payout. Ya get 'Muito mais amor e carinho' (much more love and affection)
Of course I avoid the barracudas who ask for money, ask me to send them money, etc. Weed them out immediately.
All depends on your situation back "home" really. If ya got someone back home to answer to, well of course, your rule nbr 2 holds.
... Addition: once I am ready to pop the question to go to my hotel, I always hasten to say not for "sexo", but for "amor". (Translation: I want a freebie - but my version sounds better). "Es muito bonita", "Gusto muito de ti", and phrases like that you should learn by heart, even if you know no Portuguese ...
[/b]I agree 100 percent, stress the love :)
"Voce e muito linda (bonita)" , "GOSTO muito de voce"
Great advice!
I think it's great fun also, but it's nothing new.
I've been taking out pros on normal dates from Colombia to Venezuela to Brasil for years and years.
Treat them with some TLC and taking them out as regular girls pays off in dividends for sure.
PS ... Once they get out of the PFP environment, and dress appropriately, they look like normal girls.
Not like they have GDP stamped on their foreheads :)
I agree with most of you said.
Just a comment.
A gringo with a "XXX": will by the locals to be considered to be a...
1. White regular girl: Maybe not a puta:
2. Dark regular girl: Propably a puta.
3. White GP: Most certainly a puta.
4. Dark GP: 100% puta.
This specially goes for Rio. In the rest of Brazil the judging isn't that hard.
Enjoy your romatic dates with the GPs, but don't fool yourself that the locals can't tell her profession.
You don't need to have a very trained eye to tell which girls that are GPs. It's actually is "written" on their foreheads. Their bodylanguage, the way they dress, the way they look at people and the way they speaks tells it all.
I enjoy GPs very much, but I prefer dating regular girls. When I make an exception and date a GP (free sex is always welcome :D) I try not to care what the locals think. The local women knows that gringos are "supposed" to date GPs. The local men are just envying my catch.
My strategy might be easy because I date the GPs on Kice Suco and not Porcão or Marius.
Sup people.
I've got several questions to ask
To make a critical decision.
'where the fuck should I go?'
Options in consideration.
- Sao Paolo
- Rio
- BA
- DR
- Colombia
little background...
I live in Korea. never been to anywhere in south america
Planning on whats called 'Penis Trip' (Korean term..) with some of my friends..
may be 3.. possibly 4... and we will departure at the beginning of NOV.
i searched for a cheap flight today... and i found cheap one from here to Sao Paolo
other places i mentioned above. cost about 200~300USD more than sao paolo.
Trip is gonna be for 7 days.
budget is around 1500 USD per person excluding airfare.
Actions wanted by our crew...
- 3some (aggressive one. like the ones in porn)
- one sex party night. ( in a rented suite, 3 or 4 of us and 5~8 chicas with lots of alcohol and fun stuff)
- at least one short time session (1~2hours) per day.
- GFE, PSE (BBBJ is very important)
- Cheap TLN would be very strong pulling factor.
- YOUNG GIRL!!! ( not over 30)
so.. given the situations...
1. which place? to meet most of those actions?
2. flight fares from Sao Paolo to BA or RIO? ( 130 for RIO and 300 to BA are what i found from web search)
3. would we need a guide since none of us speak any spanish? (if so... how could this be arranged?)
4. any safe issue? against asian ppl?
5. do we have to worry about this new influenza thing while travelling south america?
I really need to make this trip worth something...
Please help me ppl!!
thank you
Jamaicanceo
10-16-09, 20:00
Well, though I love your ideas on taking out the GDPs on normal dates, I have the opposite take on you your rule number 2.
I keep in touch with the girls and pick up where we left off when I return to their city and it only gets better and better.
Of course I visit Brasil constantly, I'm there about half the year, in and out, I like having various "amigas" available to hang with, without the GDP rushed feeling or payout. Ya get 'Muito mais amor e carinho' (much more love and affection)
Of course I avoid the barracudas who ask for money, ask me to send them money, etc. Weed them out immediately.
All depends on your situation back "home" really. If ya got someone back home to answer to, well of course, your rule nbr 2 holds.I agree with you Ricker. There are GDP who can cause trouble, and they are tose who could get you out of trouble. So I keep in touch with good ones, and bring inexpensive gifts. When I leave Rio, I give my friends my food and household stuff. Why throw it out when other could use it. My main girl loves the the tall cans of Lysol and bath tube cleaner that I bring from the states to sterilize my apartment. So I will bring her 4 cans of each because they can't get it in Brazil. But if I get in a jam, I'm sure she'll be there for me. I was impress on how aggressive she was getting me a phone. She is 26 without kids, and she owns her own house. She shows me Rio de Janeiro state unlike I would by myself. And she loves Brazil and is not in a hurry to leave for the USA.
Euro100 thanks again.
My buddy dated many days a terma girl, he paid dinner, disco and so on, but many times he had to give her cash too and btw he is nice guy, young and behave with her as if she was his girlfriend too.
It all depends if she meets you just to have more cash, so then she almost neither care to go to clubs and so on or if she really likes you and want to have the feeling to have boyfriend.
With such girls as the sweety Ingrid, that earn much money, if she agree to meet outside terma, it is cause she likes you, so she is one that not really need more money as for example girls that do not earn so that much.
However there was a big difference when in january I was in terma and girls asked me how long I was stayed in Brazil and I answered 2 months between last time when I answered 10 days.
I could easily imagine their reaction if you say, I live in Rio, then she is more than happy to build, special friendship or relationship, with you.
Many times I stayed to Luomo till the end and when I walked out, I saw the girls in normal clothes going out of the shopping center there, most of them or almost all, look as normal girl, but I think that even a normal girl together gringo can easily looks like a GDP. It is more whom is together than which job she does.
And yes, so far as they are first of all human being, then GDP, behave with them as normal girls, can give you better chance.
And again as Bubba said in his guide, your chance to meet her outside terma go higher if you session with her 2 times as I believe most of mongers session only once with the girl, so go back to the same terma and take her second time, instead to take one of the many other girls, makes you special to her eyes and makes her to feel the special one.
Bottom line..... why in a world so big, we have terma only in Rio ? LOL :)
Gfe Finder
10-16-09, 22:24
Germany has the FKK places. They are very attractive alternatives. There is a whole section in this forum on them, and they are actually cheaper than L'uomo. The occasional South American girl is there, but the majority are from Germany and Eastern Europe.
Also, a lot of Brazilian girls travel to Spain and in particular Portugal. But I have not mongered there.
London has the Lady Marmalade Parties (also a separate section in this forum). On my only visit (very enjoyable!!!) 4 out of 5 girls were from Brazil. But this is real group sex and may not be your thing.
The kind of connection you can make with the girl in a terma like L'uomo is, however, unrivaled anywhere in Europe.
If you're looking for sex in Europe, Germany is hard to beat as an option. If you're looking specifically for Brazilians, Spain is hard to beat. I used to live there, and outside most major cities you'll see clubs that are basically converted roadside motels. The lobby and reception become bars to meet and mix with the girls, and then when you're ready (and only when YOU are ready, because they have a nasty habit of pushing you into this) you can go to a room.
Club Riviera in Barcelona is one famous spot. I believe that they were raided and closed, but they should be open now. If so, it would be good as I've yet to find more optifucks than I did there.
It's not impossible to see a GDP outside of work in Europe-- I've done it myself, but only because I was a local who'd seen her many times before. I do agree that it is considerably more difficult, expensive, and rarer than anywhere in Latin America. Anyone interested in seriously pursuing Brazilian GDPs in Spain would of course be advised to inquire in that part of the forum.
How much does it cost in Rio for.
- TLN
- 1 hour session?
- 3some.
With girls with rating 8 9
And for those sevices. Should I go to terma? Or escort? Or any other source?
I've been looking in to different forums tooo much.
All of infos are mixing and confusing me right now.
I want simple price range for those in Rio
And if you know BA well enought.
Please let me know about BA too!
Thank you!
Gfe Finder
10-16-09, 22:35
Hi everyone here,
This is my first post, I can't get into this site very often. But I enjoy it each time I have the opportunity.
I would like to ask if you don't see a real 'risk' of falling in love with one these Brazilian goddess when you go out of the termas with them. The whole situation might be a theater but for sensitive people, as myself, I see difficult no to feel a crush after going for dinner, talking, sleeping, etc with a very pleasant beauty. Sometimes I have even difficulty of getting a girl out of my head if have had chemistry with her.
I think I speak for quite a few people on this forum in saying that it is extremely easy to fall in love with GDPs, particularly if you see her outside of work. It is undoubtedly a risk, which can be mitigated in at least 2 ways:
1. As Euro100 says, what happens in Rio stays in Rio. It's love, but it's more or less theater for the both of you. Remember this, and try to put up a mental block and barrier as you leave. And oh yes, make sure she can't track you down. He might tell you to throw away phone numbers but as of yet I don't make a habit of this.
2. You'll fall in love with one. And the plane ride home will be painful. And then you'll come back and forget about her when you fall in love with another. And then you'll leave, come back, and fall in love with a third. And then you'll leave, forget about her, come back, and fall in love with yet another. You probably see where I'm going with this.... :)
Other thoughts are welcome of course.
I would like to ask if you don't see a real 'risk' of falling in love with one these Brazilian goddess when you go out of the termas with them. The whole situation might be a theater but for sensitive people, as myself, I see difficult no to feel a crush after going for dinner, talking, sleeping, etc with a very pleasant beauty. Sometimes I have even difficulty of getting a girl out of my head if have had chemistry with her.
Definitely, this is a risk that I do not want to pretend is not there. I have come close several times and too close a few times, and I have become really attached. Because invariably I find that there is a beautiful human being with real feelings behind the front of the gdp. So, yes, I have suffered pretty bad sometimes on the flight back from Rio. But it's a price I am willing to pay. Let me quote the eminent poets Goo Goo Dolls (Iris): "you bleed just to know you're alive".
I'll be down 12-17--12-31-09 I have and apt rented at Copa for all but my last night. I have to be out of the apt 12-30-09 at noon and my flight leaves New Years eve at 10:45pm. I'm thinking I might meet someone who has a couch to loan for a night after I arrive however I'm also open to any ideas from the board. If someone has a link to a good map I could use one. It would be nice if someone had a map with all the places talked about on the board marked.
Azn Safado
10-17-09, 02:53
Sup people.
...
'where the fuck should I go?'
...
Options in consideration.
- Sao Paolo
- Rio
- BA
- DR
- Colombia
...
4. any safe issue? against asian ppl?
Please help me ppl!!
thank you
On my first trip to South America, I went on a 3-country sex tour. Here's some information I reported comparing Colombia, Brazil, and Argentina:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=743174&postcount=855
I'm Asian and I didn't run into any racial issues in any of those countries. As for safety, just use common sense and avoid areas you are not familiar with or look like trouble (dark alleys, dark streets, bad neighborhoods).
Simpleminded
10-17-09, 05:13
It seems like everyone has been talking of only the good parts of seeing a terma girl outside of her job. There are some bad parts too that I have found out by doing this. I am the guy Luca was referring to. Luca, I appreciate the "young" comment but I am 38. The girl I see outside of the terma is 19.
I met this girl last January and I thought she was amazing. She had recently started working and didn't speak a word of english and I only spoke two or three words of portuguese. It was a match made in heaven.
The next time I saw her was in June and we had kept in touch in between by email using google translator. In June I was very happy to see her and of course have sex with her. Also, it was kind of a different adventure as I hung out at other places I would not normally go. We went to some other clubs with her GDP friends and the mall etc. While on my trip I still went to other termas. It wasn't all perfect though. I mentioned that I went to another terma with a friend. She was not happy about that. I guess she thought it might be competition or upset her income stream from me. I told her I didn't have sex there which was true. Anyway it was a pretty good adventure all in all even though a little bit of the shine about her had worn off in my eyes.
I still stayed in touch and came out again in September. This time I saw that she gained some weight and to tell you the truth, I was a little bored of having sex with her. (that's the danger of getting used to having a room full of 30 or more girls to choose from in the termas). Anyway I still hung out with her outside of work and in between going to other termas. I realize that I like her and I don't mean just sexually. Maybe it's the age thing. Maybe I just like her smile. Other times she gets on my nerves and can be childish or jealous.
I plan to see her again on my next trip but I can see that this is probably leading to nowhere and will end soon.
As for the money, I have realized what many smart men on this board have realized. Paying for a girl in a terma and then going home by yourself is a very cheap and hassle free way to have a lot of different girls. The GFE experience is really great while you are having sex but it becomes not that great when you are just hanging out and she starts taking up all the bad qualities of a real girlfriend. I'm sure it's a nice ego boost to say that you took a terma girl out and had sex for free but we all know there is no free pussy. You have to exchange food, drinks, more time etc. To get the "free" pussy. Even then it is still not free because they are angling for a bigger payoff down the road usually. My best advice is to pay them everytime you have sex because it seems to be cheaper that way. If you are not paying for sex they are usually looking to get paid in other ways eventually like presents, shopping trips or marriage.
Anyway, I am not saying you shouldn't do this. It can be a lot of fun and different than just going to the termas, but it can be a lot more expensive in terms of money, time, or drama/headaches. Also, while you are spending time with your terma gf, the other termas are filling up with hotter, younger talent every day!
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Carlos Primeros
10-17-09, 06:21
Gffinder,
Come here to Portugal, 50 % of the working girls are Brazilians. For them the entry into Portugal is easy, they speak the same language and have the same culture. In Lisbon there are at least 20 "Privados" and each one has minimum 2.3 Brazilians. In the night-spots like Elefante Branco of 100 girls at least 60 are from Brazil. Easy to meet outside, just take them out for dinner or a disco. They will love it to be treated as a normal GF.
Carlos Primeros
Tiradentes
10-17-09, 07:45
I'll be down 12-17--12-31-09 I have and apt rented at Copa for all but my last night. I have to be out of the apt 12-30-09 at noon and my flight leaves New Years eve at 10:45pm. I'm thinking I might meet someone who has a couch to loan for a night after I arrive however I'm also open to any ideas from the board. If someone has a link to a good map I could use one. It would be nice if someone had a map with all the places talked about on the board marked.
I was going to sarcasticly say rent a hotel room before I found out that the louziest/ dirtiest hotels in Rio were charging at least $ 300 per night during the new year holidays. E.g. Savoy Othon, Ducasse, Martinique, etc.
Sadly with Rio winning both the world cup and the olympics, the residents of Rio went completely off their heads and are acting very cocky for a 3rd world jungle.
I don't like what I am seeing.
I'll be down 12-17--12-31-09 I have and apt rented at Copa for all but my last night. I have to be out of the apt 12-30-09 at noon and my flight leaves New Years eve at 10:45pm. I'm thinking I might meet someone who has a couch to loan for a night after I arrive however I'm also open to any ideas from the board. If someone has a link to a good map I could use one. It would be nice if someone had a map with all the places talked about on the board marked.
Maybe you can use a short term motel for the last night? I am not sure how they price around new years eve.
For a map I like: http://www.isaw-db.com/map_rdj.html
Junior
I was going to sarcasticly say rent a hotel room before I found out that the louziest/ dirtiest hotels in Rio were charging at least $ 300 per night during the new year holidays. E.g. Savoy Othon, Ducasse, Martinique, etc....
I thought too, that to spend the new years Eve in Rio, especially with hot weather, could be very cool and something new for me living in Europe so cold in december, but after I saw the prices, I decided it surely not worth it: same stuff at 3x higher price....too bad !
Gfe Finder
10-17-09, 14:10
If someone has a link to a good map I could use one. It would be nice if someone had a map with all the places talked about on the board marked.
Firecrew,
Sperto has assembled a map of places in Copa and Centro.
875442
I was going to sarcasticly say rent a hotel room before I found out that the louziest/ dirtiest hotels in Rio were charging at least $ 300 per night during the new year holidays. E.g. Savoy Othon, Ducasse, Martinique, etc.
New Year is an expensive time with big parties and popular with Brasilians, not just cariocas and foreigners.
You can get much cheaper than USD$300, though I'd suggest you hurry.
This place (http://www.ibishotel.com/gb/reservation/multirates.jshtml), at USD$150 on New Year's Eve just now, has a good standard and is fairly girl friendly (Ibis rent by the room, not the number of people - I've never had any problem in the similar Ibis down the road that is now full, although I know someone who had some hassle.) But there again it's in Centro - which is great if you're experienced and know the city centre (knock shops are walking distance, though not as close as with the other Ibis) and experienced at getting from there to Copa (this Ibis is easy by bus, a few mins walk for metro). Here's another main Centro (Lapa side) hotel (http://www.riosnicehotel.com.br/tarifas.htm) you could try. Presidente (http://www.riospresidentehotel.com.br/index.htm) is also offering a good rate just now for 31st Dec - R227 - probably about USD$132. It's close to cheap Rua Carioca monger holes, the Metro, and Lapa/Centro. But (like the more central of the two Ibis and Formule) it's in Tiradentes, which would give a pretty run-down impression of Rio to any newcomer. (Haven't stayed there, so no idea what they think of you hangin' with yo' ho' in the reception or entertainin' someone who looks like yo ho even if she is non-GDP - see Sperto's previous post lol and add, 'If XXX is a fraction of your age/looks, they will think she's a ho whether she is or not.' And if you have little negligible public rapport and rapid interaction, yes, they'll think she's a ho.)
I haven't decided whether I'm in Rio over New Year yet. If I am, I'll get my usual Copa apartment if it's available and my landlady isn't having a 'market surge moment.' If not I'll probably book somewhere in North Centro when I arrive (these places are sh*t cheap at any time - but most punters would baulk at them - most can not be booked online).
I'd (personally) advise any first timers to stay in Copa or Ipanema until they know their way around this huge city. It's not that Centro is unmanageable to an experienced traveller. Just that the beach party areas and the almost Disneyland atmosphere of mongering in Copa/Ipanema is something you would not want to miss. New Year is also pretty big on parties. I found my first Copa beach party a bit claustrophobic. Good preparation for Carnaval though (which makes organising a mere World Olympics look a bit of a doddle. ;))
Tiradentes
10-17-09, 17:06
New Year is an expensive time with big parties and popular with Brasilians, not just cariocas and foreigners.
You can get much cheaper than USD$300, though I'd suggest you hurry.
;))
I respectuffly disagree. For the 2007 reveillon, I booked a hotel room in Windsor Plaza Copacabana Hotel (princessa isabel) and round trip airfare from the US for under 3000 dollars. I believe I stayed about 10 days. I got there before christmas and left two days after new year. I booked my flight in early December of that year.
Checking expedia.com., the same trip is costing today $5850. That's double the price what I paid before.
Cariocas are asking for first world countries prices for a 3rd world services.
I would advise anyone NOT get a hotel room in Centro for NYE, unless you know for a fact that the metro will run all night. You can absolutely forget betting a cab in Copa or Ipanema on NYE, its just not happening (I found this out the hard way). The buses are jammed packed, sometimes you cant get even get on, there are so many people! So unless that metro is going to run all night long, forget about getting a hotel in centro.
I would advise anyone NOT get a hotel room in Centro for NYE, unless you know for a fact that the metro will run all night. The buses are jammed packed, sometimes you cant get even get on, there are so many people!
I have no problem with crowded buses personally. But you are right, you are taking your life in your hands a bit if you want to do New Year from Centro lol. I have no idea about airfares from the US. From Europe or Australia I expect them to be expensive, but you are paying for the party. I'm looking multi-trip so might come in from B.Aires anyway. I'm sure people considering it are checking fares and hotels themselves and making their own minds up. I was just quoting a few sample prices in case it helped anyone. I don't mind paying airfares but I never pay a lot for hotels and never book anything till I get where I'm going. I know my way doesn't suit most people, so I'm sure there's plenty of room for more mainstream advice. :)
Re Tiradentes
I respectuffly disagree.
Disagree with what?? I just quoted some available hotel prices off the Web (in response to a hotels post). You agree New Year is expensive.
I would advise anyone NOT get a hotel room in Centro for NYE, unless you know for a fact that the metro will run all night. You can absolutely forget betting a cab in Copa or Ipanema on NYE, its just not happening (I found this out the hard way). The buses are jammed packed, sometimes you cant get even get on, there are so many people! So unless that metro is going to run all night long, forget about getting a hotel in centro.
The metro is running ok but the queue is going to be five blocks long.
Take it from my experience when I was staying at Flamengo.
That's why I prefer Fortaleza. They have a similar event on Praia Iracema. I park my car 4-5 blocks away and try to leave late from there.
Member #3439
10-18-09, 02:14
What difference is there really in the end product if a girl sticks her tongue up your ass or does a bit of ATM, the shit ends up in the same place.
Blowback during end-of-session DFK. It will get you every time.
Mr Enternational
10-18-09, 05:14
If this keeps up they may revoke Rio's winning bid for the 2016 Olympic Games.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/10/17/brazil.drug.violence/index.html
Jamaicanceo
10-18-09, 06:28
This may be deemed an act of war between drug gangs and police. In a country like Brazil that had a very recent "junta" past, such violence will give birth to a "shadow" police squad to control the violence. I believe such crime will generate a right-wing government in the next presidency that will support a war on Rio gangs to protect tourism.
2 hrs 23 mins ago
"RIO DE JANEIRO – Drug traffickers shot down a police helicopter during a gunbattle between rival gangs Saturday, killing two officers and injuring four in a burst of violence just two weeks after the city was chosen to host the 2016 Olympic Games."
...they may revoke Rio's winning bid for the 2016 Olympic Games...
Are you sure it is possible to revocate ? Do they already did in the history of Olympic Games ?
I am just curious, I am only asking.
If this keeps up they may revoke Rio's winning bid for the 2016 Olympic Games.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/10/17/brazil.drug.violence/index.html
I don't think so. This kind of thing happens frequently in Rio. It is also in the Northern part. Far away from where most tourists will be staying. It is just being sensationalized by the media. What's new.
I don't think so. This kind of thing happens frequently in Rio. It is also in the Northern part. Far away from where most tourists will be staying. It is just being sensationalized by the media. What's new.I disagree with you here. Granted, while yesterday's main action took place in the Norte, there was what was described on the news as "an incursion" into a Zona Sul favela.
A few months ago, I was hanging out on Rua Almirante Goncalves and saw these helicopters circling that little favela directly up the street. Next thing I know, POW POW POW POW. These cops start blasting into the favela. Who knows if they got their mark, but it was a hell of a show and drew a decent size crowd on the street.
Just yesterday there was a commotion just across from Amerioca Tours. Turns out these 2 security guards spotted a guy they had been looking for. The ID'd him as the guy who had been breaking into cars on that street recently. They proceeded to beat the fuck out of him with a wooden stool and billy club, which caused quite the commotion on the street. Almost on que, as soon as the guards got their pound of flesh and walked away, the clouds opened up and it started pouring on this poor sap. It was quite a sight as he laid motionless on his back getting rained on. The gathered crowd just walked away and about 10 minutes later, so did he. After a while we continued on our scheduled trip to L'uomo, which sucked by the way. Many more men than women, and the ones that were working (aside from the always popular Ingrid and Diane) were either sleeping on the couch or just plain fugly. Sometimes Rio gets like this. Shitty weather every day, violence and ugly girls. But I know in a week the situation could be reversed and it's a paradise again. And that's the beauty of Rio for me.- you never know which one you'll get when you walk off the plane. One minute you're on the most beautiful beach in the world and in the arms of a model, next moment you're watching a guy pour rubbing alcohol over his head and light a match.
As for the Olympics, it's not the violence they have to worry about, it's the weather. They've decided to hold the summer Olympics in the friggin' winter. Good luck with that beach vollyball.
Has anyone been to NumberOne, a new place, I think, downtown at Rua da Quitanda 74, not far from 81? The lady at the door said there are five floors with two boates. Thirty reis to get in.
By the way the metro runs all night on Newyears, but you need special prepaid tickets available at a separate ticket window in the Carioca station during the preceding weeks.
Sup people.
I've got several questions to ask
To make a critical decision.
'where the fuck should I go?'
Options in consideration.
- Sao Paolo
- Rio
- BA
- DR
- Colombia
little background...
I live in Korea. never been to anywhere in south america
Planning on whats called 'Penis Trip' (Korean term..) with some of my friends..
may be 3.. possibly 4... and we will departure at the beginning of NOV.
i searched for a cheap flight today... and i found cheap one from here to Sao Paolo
other places i mentioned above. cost about 200~300USD more than sao paolo.
Trip is gonna be for 7 days.
budget is around 1500 USD per person excluding airfare.
Actions wanted by our crew...
- 3some (aggressive one. like the ones in porn)
- one sex party night. ( in a rented suite, 3 or 4 of us and 5~8 chicas with lots of alcohol and fun stuff)
- at least one short time session (1~2hours) per day.
- GFE, PSE (BBBJ is very important)
- Cheap TLN would be very strong pulling factor.
- YOUNG GIRL!!! ( not over 30)
so.. given the situations...
1. which place? to meet most of those actions?
2. flight fares from Sao Paolo to BA or RIO? ( 130 for RIO and 300 to BA are what i found from web search)
3. would we need a guide since none of us speak any spanish? (if so... how could this be arranged?)
4. any safe issue? against asian ppl?
5. do we have to worry about this new influenza thing while travelling south america?
I really need to make this trip worth something...
Please help me ppl!!
thank you
With your budget, requirements, and inexperience in Brazil, I have one word for you.......RIO!
Blowback during end-of-session DFK. It will get you every time.
Excuse my lack of maturity here, but that's just SICK!!
Jamaicanceo
10-18-09, 23:30
I disagree with you here. Granted, while yesterday's main action took place in the Norte, there was what was described on the news as "an incursion" into a Zona Sul favela.
A few months ago, I was hanging out on Rua Almirante Goncalves and saw these helicopters circling that little favela directly up the street. Next thing I know, POW POW POW POW. These cops start blasting into the favela. Who knows if they got their mark, but it was a hell of a show and drew a decent size crowd on the street.
Just yesterday there was a commotion just across from Amerioca Tours. Turns out these 2 security guards spotted a guy they had been looking for. The ID'd him as the guy who had been breaking into cars on that street recently. They proceeded to beat the fuck out of him with a wooden stool and billy club, which caused quite the commotion on the street. Almost on que, as soon as the guards got their pound of flesh and walked away, the clouds opened up and it started pouring on this poor sap. It was quite a sight as he laid motionless on his back getting rained on. The gathered crowd just walked away and about 10 minutes later, so did he. After a while we continued on our scheduled trip to L'uomo, which sucked by the way. Many more men than women, and the ones that were working (aside from the always popular Ingrid and Diane) were either sleeping on the couch or just plain fugly. Sometimes Rio gets like this. Shitty weather every day, violence and ugly girls. But I know in a week the situation could be reversed and it's a paradise again. And that's the beauty of Rio for me.- you never know which one you'll get when you walk off the plane. One minute you're on the most beautiful beach in the world and in the arms of a model, next moment you're watching a guy pour rubbing alcohol over his head and light a match.
As for the Olympics, it's not the violence they have to worry about, it's the weather. They've decided to hold the summer Olympics in the friggin' winter. Good luck with that beach vollyball.I was there in May. I had an apartment at Copacabana Blvd and Rua Miguel Lemos, I first heard the helicopter then the gun fire. I've had experience with helicopters and gunfire. It was the morning the Rio city water was cut-off during my shower. The combat action was loud and clear.
Mr Enternational
10-19-09, 11:26
As for the Olympics, it's not the violence they have to worry about, it's the weather. They've decided to hold the summer Olympics in the friggin' winter. Good luck with that beach vollyball.
I would have said you had a good point if they would not have already pulled it off in Sydney in 2000.
Poucolouco
10-19-09, 13:28
I would have said you had a good point if they would not have already pulled it off in Sydney in 2000.
The 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney was held from September 15 through October 1, not exactly winter.
Nope! Brazil has already bribed their way to get the olympics so there is nothing that can change it now.
It already has been bought and sold.SPB,
You crack me up. So - again - please provide your evidence of bribes and wrongdoing..
Are you sure it is possible to revocate ? Do they already did in the history of Olympic Games ?
I am just curious, I am only asking.Stop this silly talk about revoking the Olympics. They have 7 years to put things in place. Should we give them a chance? They will do a major housecleaning and there will be more stories like this. They will shut down the soccer stadium next year for two years and will redevelop all around it during the stadium refurishment. If you are upset that Rio will change drastically - that's one thing. But if you do think the Brazilian gov't can pull off hosting the games that is another.
I would have said you had a good point if they would not have already pulled it off in Sydney in 2000.Good point. But I was here for the entire summer Pan American Games a couple of years ago. And it was rainy the whole time. Cold and rainy. I remember actually having to buy a jacket because I never pack one for a Rio trip. The closing ceremonies were particularly brutal -- as miserable weather as I've experienced anytime in the past in Rio. So bad that I just decided not to go and still have my tickets for them (the closing ceremonies that is).
As an aside, I really doubt crime or security will be much of an issue at the Olympics. I remember during the Pan Am Games the streets seeming safer than at any other time.
Poucolouco
10-19-09, 16:13
As for the Olympics, it's not the violence they have to worry about, it's the weather. They've decided to hold the summer Olympics in the friggin' winter. Good luck with that beach vollyball.
Rio's Olympics will be held from August 5 through August 21, 2016. Average temperature in August is 21, average precipitation is 46mm. By comparison, Chicago summer temperature averages 21.1 with average precipitation 93mm.
Devilspinkick
10-20-09, 04:03
Has anyone been to NumberOne, a new place, I think, downtown at Rua da Quitanda 74, not far from 81? The lady at the door said there are five floors with two boates. Thirty reis to get in.
If it's a mere R$30 to get in you could have TOFTT, checked it out, and reported your findings here on the board.
Gfe Finder
10-21-09, 00:22
As an aside, I really doubt crime or security will be much of an issue at the Olympics. I remember during the Pan Am Games the streets seeming safer than at any other time.
Indeed it was. I was there as well, and my guess was that there were 2 factors driving this:
1. A series of raids against favelas beforehand
2. At least in Copacabana, you couldn't walk more than one block without running into a uniformed police officer armed with an assault rifle
It seemed like such a good way to keep order. Not the friendliest way, but certainly an effective one.
Prove they don't, Do you also need evidience wallstreet paid for scumbag obama presidentcy? Do you also evidence bush is a war criminal. Do you also need evidence that corporate run the white house. Do you also need evidence wallstreet and corporate amercia are responsible for the USA recession.The point being that on some of your examples evidence can be presented to support the assertions. You dismiss all the hard work and vision that the government and committee did to land the games. And claimed they were awarded the games simply because they paid more in bribes than other countries were willing to pay. Evidence please.
Brazil Rio
10-21-09, 18:17
I live in Rio, and I can tell you that violence is more midiadic than a real unsafe feeling spreading all around the city, like media seems to show.
I had never any kind of security problem, and never saw any act of violence in first hand. Only mediated. For the average tourist foreigner, the city is very safe if you took some basic urban security measures, like avoid to be on the streets alone at night, avoid favelas, use taxis, etc.
Be rasoable and you will be fine, and have a lot of fun, don't worry.
Welcome,
Brazil Rio
Indeed it was. I was there as well, and my guess was that there were 2 factors driving this:
1. A series of raids against favelas beforehand
2. At least in Copacabana, you couldn't walk more than one block without running into a uniformed police officer armed with an assault rifle
It seemed like such a good way to keep order. Not the friendliest way, but certainly an effective one.
It was like that when I was there in July. Cops on every corner. Not necessarily assault rifles, but pistols. They went away at night. It felt like Disneyland and with GDP's.
It could be interesting to know, how many members here had safety problems.
I start, I dress low profile, never drunk ( unless couple of beers), walking alone in the night sometimes but always open eyes and I was in Rio 3 times for total 7 weeks and no one problem, but still I do not know if I was lucky or if it is safer than it appears from the media.
Anybody else who wants to share his experience about safety is more than wellcome.
Bdonkadonk
10-22-09, 02:30
It could be interesting to know, how many members here had safety problems.
I start, I dress low profile, never drunk (unless couple of beers), walking alone in the night sometimes but always open eyes and I was in Rio 3 times for total 7 weeks
Hey Lukas,
Your description sounds just like me. Low profile dressed, never drunk etc. I was in Rio 3 times for a total of 6 weeks. BUT I was robbed.
It happened one block away from Help, the time was around 1.30 am and I was walking alone. All of a sudden 3-4 kids, age about 14 yo, surprises me and before I knew it they were searching my pockets. One of them showed some kind of knife, something like a kitchen knife. Everything happened very fast and they took a small amount of cash, only like 20 R$. Small money but it wasn't a nice experience being robbed. I never felt very scared though, those kids didn't feel too threatening. I guess it would have been much worse to be robbed in an abandoned alley with a knife to the throat...
glad you did not get hurt, but the 4 blocks surrounding helpee are bandito central after 12, i take a cab one block from helpee to rue xavier da silveira.
it happened one block away from help, the time was around 1.30 am and i was walking alone. all of a sudden 3-4 kids, age about 14 yo, surprises me and before i knew it they were searching my pockets. one of them showed some kind of knife, something like a kitchen knife.
I have been in the streets around HELP and beyond at all times of the night and early morning, and never have had any issues. You just gotta be street smart and have a look that these thugs know that you are not gonna play their games.
Now, I am not recommending that every gringo do this, but I am saying, dont be to afraid, have fun, and just be smart.
Chris H
JohnnyBraz
10-22-09, 04:06
glad you did not get hurt, but the 4 blocks surrounding helpee are bandito central after 12, i take a cab one block from helpee to rue xavier da silveira.1 block from help a cab, i am suprised that any cab driver would take you. i have just returned from my 4th trip this year, spent just over 3 weeks in rio, walked around all hours off the day and night in zone zul and didn't feel one bit threatened. i would be more worried about getting robbed by police stoping a taxi late at night, i always have around 2 or 3 thousand reals on me too. some guys on this board are just way too paronoid. being paranoid will get you robbed. if you fear the streets off rio that much it is best that you monger else where, so you feel comfortable at all times.
Wait and see what happens to Copa once Help closes!! All of copa will be a "target rich enviorment" for the banditos, not just that 4 block radius!! Drunken gringos walking up and down the strip, looking for pussy? It will be like ringing a dinner bell for the lions!!
JohnnyBraz
10-22-09, 04:39
Wait and see what happens to Copa once Help closes! All of copa will be a "target rich enviorment" for the banditos, not just that 4 block radius! Drunken gringos walking up and down the strip, looking for pussy? It will be like ringing a dinner bell for the lions! when help closes it will be the best thing that happened to copa. It just gets worse and worse in there as time goes on. Took one girl from there, she quoted 400r we settled on 300r tln multiple pops. Got back to the apartment and she demanded money upfront. I showed her the money and explained in the morning when she leaves it is there for her. She said no upfront or no sex. I said fine fuck off then. She then threatened and wanted cab money and re entry money for help. I told her to fuck off and removed her from the apartment. She was the only garota who I hadn't seen in there for the past 3 years. Help is a shithole that has become infested with hoes that can't make money elsewhere. Termas are the only option in Rio.
1 block from help a cab, I am suprised that any cab driver would take you. I have just returned from my 4th trip this year, spent just over 3 weeks in Rio, walked around all hours off the day and night in zone zul and didn't feel one bit threatened. I would be more worried about getting robbed by police stoping a taxi late at night, I always have around 2 or 3 thousand reals on me too. Some guys on this board are just way too paronoid. Being paranoid will get you robbed. If you fear the streets off Rio that much it is best that you monger else where, so you feel comfortable at all times.
Thanks for getting the truth out there!
I always have around 2 or 3 thousand reals on me too. Some guys on this board are just way too paronoid. Being paranoid will get you robbed. If you fear the streets off Rio that much it is best that you monger else where,
Walking around at all times of day and night, all over Rio with 2-3 thousand reis in cash doesn't show confidence, but foolhardy!!!!! Not being paranoid, but common sense has to play a roll at some point. Just my opinion.
Ryjer
The Watcher
10-22-09, 18:47
I would be more worried about getting robbed by police stoping a taxi late at night, I always have around 2 or 3 thousand reals on me too. I am curious about a few things: (a) why do you carry so much money with you?; (b) how do you carry it (e.g. do you keep your money in a money belt or in separate pockets or all in one pocket?); and (c) have you ever been robbed by the police or anyone else while carrying so much money?
JohnnyBraz is genuinely an extremely hard nut, judging by his past posts. His style is not one to be copied by others even if it works for him.
Tiradentes
10-23-09, 04:15
Iraq or even Afghanistan is safer than Rio.
I would think twice before venturing to that jungle....
Read 4 urself: (Warning- Disturbing pictures)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1221898/Just-day-Rio-Residents-stroll-past-mans-body-dumped-supermarket-trolley-death-toll-reaches-25.html
Member #3439
10-23-09, 04:25
I am curious about a few things: (a) why do you carry so much money with you?; (b) how do you carry it (e.g. do you keep your money in a money belt or in separate pockets or all in one pocket?); and (c) have you ever been robbed by the police or anyone else while carrying so much money?Nice catch phrase, "Robbed by the police," I've seen a Centro street churrascaria vendor beat down by the Rio cops for no apparent reason. I can't imagine that a gringo would fare any better when encountering cops who want money.
JohnnyB wears Armani and Boss clothes around Rio. He's safe because nobody wants to put a knife or bullet hole or blood stain in the clothes. If they did mug him, they'd forget the money and take the clothes.
JohnnyBraz
10-23-09, 08:27
Some people here seem to think that 2 or 3 thousand reals is alot off money here. Well if you hit a terma it can easily set you back over 1000r. If you hit vips motel with drinks and food for 8 to 10 hours it always runs around 1000r without the cost off girls. And I like to do duplas in termas and have 2 or 3 women when I hit vips. What I can't understand is why people here are afraid to walk around zone zul. If you can't be yourself in a place. Don't go there. Most days I hit termas. Around once per week I hit vips. And I do stuff on the spare off the moment. I don't see the point in heading back to the apartment everytime I decide to do something to get money. And I don't use debit or credit cards in Rio except for citi bank atm machines.
Greetings everyone,
In recognition of his many great contributions to the Forum, I have given Quincas his own thread titled "Quincas in Brazil".
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=3095
Those of you who wish to join him in the discussions in his new thread are welcome to do so.
I've also moved all of his previous "contributions" to this new thread, creating a sort of "The Collected Works of Quincasl"" for those of you who are interested.
Thanks,
Jackson
Quincas has his own thread? A guy who has been a member for less than one month?!! LOL
Exec Talent
10-24-09, 14:48
Quincas has his own thread? A guy who has been a member for less than one month?!! LOL
Isn't life grand! Next thing you know some guy is going to pretend that his kid went off in a weather balloon in hopes of getting his own reality TV show. A Macunaima by any other name, is just as boring.
HarvestBoi
10-24-09, 16:56
Just Jackson's way of putting a pendejo on the sidelines without having to outright ban him.
Very clever.
Quincas has his own thread? A guy who has been a member for less than one month?!! LOLI'm curious as to who this guy is. i've been on here for 4 years now and i've never seen a post by him.
Isn't life grand! Next thing you know some guy is going to pretend that his kid went off in a weather balloon in hopes of getting his own reality TV show. A Macunaima by any other name, is just as boring.That's a mac-u-maniac move.
1 block from help a cab, I am suprised that any cab driver would take you. I have just returned from my 4th trip this year, spent just over 3 weeks in Rio, walked around all hours off the day and night in zone zul and didn't feel one bit threatened. I would be more worried about getting robbed by police stoping a taxi late at night, I always have around 2 or 3 thousand reals on me too. Some guys on this board are just way too paronoid. Being paranoid will get you robbed. If you fear the streets off Rio that much it is best that you monger else where, so you feel comfortable at all times.I am a big guy by Brazilian standards - 6´5" , 240 lbs. And I dress way down and never walk the streets around Help late night. I have been approached by some unruly homeless guys near my apartment in nice areas. They took their begging to a new level where they kept following and started yelling - in English phrases. I keep walking and ignore them and they stop. Once I had to quickly stop and shout fuck off in Porto and the guy threathened to pull something from his pocket. I took a quick step at him and he took off.
But carrying around large sums of $- IMO - is stupid. If the kids and homeless are getting that agressive with me in nicer areas, I can envision a situation where you can get a snatch and grab and better to lose R$20 than R$2000.
I'm curious as to who this guy is. I've been on here for 4 years now and I've never seen a post by him.4yrs Lance? You need to explore the Brazil forum more. His last post as Mac was in 05/03/06. The Quincas thread is a continuation of the Macunaima thread. But the short answer is: Mac/Quin is a non mongering academic, supposedly doing research on US here. His post do nothing in Helping you find women in Brazil. He likes to dominate and derail threads by goading others to respond to him. It's good for his ego, IMHO. LOL (Go look at Both threads and you'll understand.)
Coincidence?
Found in Wikipedia:
"Macunaíma is a 1928 novel by Brazilian writer Mário de Andrade. It is one of the founding texts of Brazilian modernism."
"The Two Deaths of Quincas Wateryell (A Morte e a Morte de Quincas Berro D'água) is a 1959 Brazilian Modernist novella by Jorge Amado."
BTW, in the novel, Quincas becomes the "vagabond king of the honky-tonks" and "patriarch of the prostitutes."
________
F*ck, BING, GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND :D
Quincas has his own thread? A guy who has been a member for less than one month?!! LOLObviously, some of you (not Java Man or Harvestboi) missed the point.
Thanks,
Jackson
4yrs Lance? You need to explore the Brazil forum more. His last post as Mac was in 05/03/06. The Quincas thread is a continuation of the Macunaima thread. But the short answer is: Mac/Quin is a non mongering academic, supposedly doing research on US here. His post do nothing in Helping you find women in Brazil. He likes to dominate and derail threads by goading others to respond to him. It's good for his ego, IMHO. LOL (Go look at Both threads and you'll understand.)
Coincidence?
Found in Wikipedia:
"Macunaíma is a 1928 novel by Brazilian writer Mário de Andrade. It is one of the founding texts of Brazilian modernism."
"The Two Deaths of Quincas Wateryell (A Morte e a Morte de Quincas Berro D'água) is a 1959 Brazilian Modernist novella by Jorge Amado."
BTW, in the novel, Quincas becomes the "vagabond king of the honky-tonks" and "patriarch of the prostitutes."
________
F*ck, BING, GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND :D
are both these books published in English?
are both these books published in English?
30 seconds of googling gives the answer YES.
JohnnyBraz
10-24-09, 23:27
I am a big guy by Brazilian standards - 6´5" , 240 lbs. And I dress way down and never walk the streets around Help late night. I have been approached by some unruly homeless guys near my apartment in nice areas. They took their begging to a new level where they kept following and started yelling - in English phrases. I keep walking and ignore them and they stop. Once I had to quickly stop and shout fuck off in Porto and the guy threathened to pull something from his pocket. I took a quick step at him and he took off.
But carrying around large sums of $- IMO - is stupid. If the kids and homeless are getting that agressive with me in nicer areas, I can envision a situation where you can get a snatch and grab and better to lose R$20 than R$2000.I find that heading back to your apartment constantly to get money, to be stupid. Imo.
Mr Enternational
10-25-09, 02:43
I just want to beat the shit out of this dead horse and get it started once more. For all the Help junkies a friend sent me this email today.
"Up date, they where painting the yellow sign on Help yesterday, L not heard anymore about closing"
I just want to beat the shit out of this dead horse and get it started once more. For all the Help junkies a friend sent me this email today.
"Up date, they where painting the yellow sign on Help yesterday, L not heard anymore about closing"
As the old saying goes: The final days of Help are approaching... and always will be.
One Eyed Man
10-25-09, 05:36
Some people here seem to think that 2 or 3 thousand reals is alot off money here..... I don't see the point in heading back to the apartment everytime I decide to do something to get money.
He's making a legitimate point. While I don't drop as much cash as this guy, a session in a therma like l'Uomo could set me back R$500, so I often carry R$1000, just to have that flexibility. Is there a safe way to do it? I got a cool money belt with a zipper down the middle, but it really seems best for a couple hundred of emergency money. I often put a couple of hundred in one pocket and a larger amount in another, but any competent mugger will insist on going through all your pockets.
JohnnyBraz
10-25-09, 06:06
He's making a legitimate point. While I don't drop as much cash as this guy, a session in a therma like l'Uomo could set me back R$500, so I often carry R$1000, just to have that flexibility. Is there a safe way to do it? I got a cool money belt with a zipper down the middle, but it really seems best for a couple hundred of emergency money. I often put a couple of hundred in one pocket and a larger amount in another, but any competent mugger will insist on going through all your pockets.I generally have small money ie. 300r in one pocket and the rest of the money in another pocket with a loose shirt covering both my pockets. I have never had a problem, and my trips to Rio are generally around 3 to 4 weeks per time and 3 to 5 per year. At the same time money would not be handed over to a so called mugger unless a gun was involved. I do have a money belt, but only wear it when I have large sums off money, not a few thousand.
...I got a cool money belt with a zipper down the middle, but it really seems best for a couple hundred of emergency money. I often put a couple of hundred in one pocket and a larger amount in another, but any competent mugger will insist on going through all your pockets.
I have the same belt and I carry about 5-600 reais, but the problem is the same, where is better to hide them ? In more places for sure, but the best ones are where ?
Just Jackson's way of putting a pendejo on the sidelines without having to outright ban him.Very clever.
It's amazing that some Senior Members here still don't know that Jackson quarantines or confines "contributors" like Macunaima/Quincas in their own thread and disallow them write anything outside of it, not to upgrade their status, but to let the other sections clutter free of all their endless controversial nonsense.
IMO Macunaima will come back under a new username. Sooner or later. He will be once more easily unmask anyway. Serial Antagonists never change their way.
I always carry some underneath the insert of my shoe. I also have the belt like you mentioned. Just don't forget where you hid it. If the room doesn't have a safe you can tape some cash on the bottom of one of the drawers in the room. It would be found if someone thought to look there, but in the quick pass that the cleaning crew does or anyone else it works.
I just want to beat the shit out of this dead horse and get it started once more. For all the Help junkies a friend sent me this email today.
"Up date, they where painting the yellow sign on Help yesterday, L not heard anymore about closing"
Ok I'll bite. Seems like strange behavior for a place going out of business doesn't it? This has been going on for 20 months now and last year they did a major renovation inside the club, they knocked down the stage and built a table area with stairs going up to the Balcony of free feels.
Now you say they're painting, sprucing the place up some more. It almost seems like an act of defiance, to say to the Governor of Rio, you think you can close us down but you can't. This is a very confident ballsy move, no wonder these guys have been hanging on for so long, looks like they have friends in higher places than the ones who are trying to shut them down.
Or maybe they're just cleaning up for the Olympics.
....Is there a safe way to do it?....
Yes, use a credit card.
Crab, it would be best for you to take down that post. Mac is a pain in the ass, but to post a picture of his wife on a sex board is below the belt.
Jamaicanceo
10-25-09, 21:35
Attached is a picture of Mac or Quincas, if they are the same guy. His real name is Thaddeus Blanchette and he is approximately 40 years of age.
His wife, Sylvia, is the women seated immediately to his right.
They are both professors at a University in Rio.
And, yes he can be a pain, since his background in in sociology, and any statement made to a sociologist will entail a mind numbing debate about methodology and subjective bias.
Brazil's Most Notorious Prostitution House Becomes a Museum
Written by Elma Lia Nascimento
Friday, 01 February 2008
Brazil's most famous temple to lust and prostitution may soon become a fond memory for some and a glad-it's-gone for many others. Rio de Janeiro governor, SÈrgio Cabral, has expropriated and declared state property the building and land that house the Help night-club, in Rio.
Blanchette is co-author of the study: "Our Lady of Help: Sex, Tourism and Transnational Displacement in Copacabana." The scientist believes that over 1,000 ladies of the night sell their wares at Help during summer time, which is right now.http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/9097/
Attached is a picture of Mac or Quincas, if they are the same guy. His real name is Thaddeus Blanchette and he is approximately 40 years of age.
His wife, Sylvia, is the women seated immediately to his right.
They are both professors at a University in Rio.
And, yes he can be a pain, since his background in in sociology, and any statement made to a sociologist will entail a mind numbing debate about methodology and subjective bias.LOL LOL LOL
Now this explains everything LOL
Kid Cisco
JohnnyBraz
10-25-09, 23:33
Attached is a picture of Mac or Quincas, if they are the same guy. His real name is Thaddeus Blanchette and he is approximately 40 years of age.
His wife, Sylvia, is the women seated immediately to his right.
They are both professors at a University in Rio.
And, yes he can be a pain, since his background in in sociology, and any statement made to a sociologist will entail a mind numbing debate about methodology and subjective bias.Have some respect for yourself and others and take the photo down. None off us would like it if Mac put photo's off ISG members up would we.
Dang that's one unattractive chick! I wouldn't do her with Mac Thaddy's dick!Can't even be certain that is a chick.
Dang that's one unattractive chick! I wouldn't do her with Mac Thaddy's dick!Yes, very ugly no wonder he is looking for someone to debate with once he got his green card it was a wrap he didn't want her or couldn't stand to be in the same room with her anymore, lol.
Kid Cisco
Poucolouco
10-26-09, 01:11
Attached is a picture of Mac or Quincas, if they are the same guy. His real name is T****** B****** and he is approximately 40 years of age.
His wife, S*****, is ******
They are both professors at a University in Rio.
And, yes he can be a pain, since his background in in sociology, and any statement made to a sociologist will entail a mind numbing debate about methodology and subjective bias.
Crab3535, You have been a sleeper on the forum for five years and the first time you ever attempted to post, you revealed the personal identification of a member and his wife. Since you do not seem to be a paying member, I suggest you ask the moderators to delete your offensive post.
Attached is a picture of Mac or Quincas, if they are the same guy. His real name is Thaddeus Blanchette and he is approximately 40 years of age.
His wife, Sylvia, is the women seated immediately to his right.
They are both professors at a University in Rio.
And, yes he can be a pain, since his background in in sociology, and any statement made to a sociologist will entail a mind numbing debate about methodology and subjective bias.
Should this be posted in the photo gallery? Hell, since you posted it, why not the correct thread?
ryjer
I find that heading back to your apartment constantly to get money, to be stupid. Imo.Taking a large sum of money and heading directly to a terma or VIPs is one thing. By why walk around with large sums of cash (anywhere). If you lose it or you get robbed it is gone for good. I know some termas charge a small fee for using a cc - but it is worth it for me. It is also a deductable business T&E expense for me as the bill shows up as "Harry's Bar" or something similar.
If I am heading to VIPs - a taxi is involved all the way from my apartment. And I don't have much cash left on the trip home!
Crab3535, You have been a sleeper on the forum for five years and the first time you ever attempted to post, you revealed the personal identification of a member and his wife. Since you do not seem to be a paying member, I suggest you ask the moderators to delete your offensive post.
That Crab is Mac sending up a smokescreen and trying to throw people off his trail. Whether it is him in the picture or not is meaningless. Wish this distraction could just go away once and for all -- or else stay on the other site.
JohnnyBraz
10-26-09, 07:26
Taking a large sum of money and heading directly to a terma or VIPs is one thing. By why walk around with large sums of cash (anywhere). If you lose it or you get robbed it is gone for good. I know some termas charge a small fee for using a cc - but it is worth it for me. It is also a deductable business T&E expense for me as the bill shows up as "Harry's Bar" or something similar.
If I am heading to VIPs - a taxi is involved all the way from my apartment. And I don't have much cash left on the trip home!Over the years I have had problems with cards cloned in brazil, so nowadays I only use city bank atms. They allow 2 withdrawels off 1000r. I generally take just under 10000r in cash. (in the past alot more) but nowadays just under 10000r. I also take around 5000r home with me, so I always have reals on arrival as my flights always arrive after 9pm at night. The rest in us dollars. I am I very spare off the moment person. I can do things like a terma run. Hitting 4 or 5 termas in a afternoon/night, although I may only session at 2 or 3 off them. As for vips generally I head back to my apartment first, but it dosent always work like that. It is just the way it is with me, up till now I have never had a problem. Anyway hughdad have fun on your upcoming trip.
Happy gdp hunting.
Attached is a picture of Mac or Quincas... His wife, Sylvia, is the women seated immediately to his right.
Posting a picture of a member and his wife is just too much.
Crab, you're a low-water mark.
(BTW, a suitable alias. At low water the crabs crawls up from the mud.)
Exec Talent
10-26-09, 17:02
I am all for Macunaima AKA Quincas having his own thread. I am not for posting pictures of ANYONE in a public forum without their knowledge and consent unless they in somehow are posing a danger to others.
Macunaima may bore everyone to death, but he poses no physical danager. Publicly posting his real name and a picture of his wife is way over the line. Everyone needs to report the original post and ask Jackson to remove it.
Over the years I have had problems with cards cloned in brazil, so nowadays I only use city bank atms. They allow 2 withdrawels off 1000r. I generally take just under 10000r in cash. (in the past alot more) but nowadays just under 10000r. I also take around 5000r home with me, so I always have reals on arrival as my flights always arrive after 9pm at night. The rest in us dollars. I am I very spare off the moment person. I can do things like a terma run. Hitting 4 or 5 termas in a afternoon/night, although I may only session at 2 or 3 off them. As for vips generally I head back to my apartment first, but it dosent always work like that. It is just the way it is with me, up till now I have never had a problem. Anyway hughdad have fun on your upcoming trip.
Happy gdp hunting.I am up in MG for a few days now on business and heading down to SP next week. In Rio starting 11/9.
Wow. 4 or 5 termas in a day. I certainly can understand why as there are just great environments for great party fun. I have never had a bad time in a termas. But I tend to mix it up with an in-call to start the day or a Centro casa (if I happen to be staying in Centro that day. I usually spend 2 or 3 nights in Centro and 4 or 5 nights in Copa/Ipanema. I do this for business purposes and I have come to think that this really lets me experience different aspects of Rio. This way I also don't have to trek back and forth on the metro.) Then I hit a termas or two and seek some overnight companionship (from an existing acquintance or someone I try to meet.) I have not been in Help yet as it does not sound like my kind of place. But I will make a visit there this trip as it will be closing (? ) I want to be able to say I was there. Perhaps I can find a low-cost stunner/spinner. But it sounds like these ladies have really pushed their pricing to the stratosphere. We'll see and I will report.
Anyway, I guess the point everyone here is making is be safe, be aware and take precautions. I too bring home some reals every trip. Last time I decided to bring home about R$4000 (bought at close to $2) and I am glad I did. It is now $1.72.
Thanks,
Take care
Mac is well known by his screen name and "his real" name over at Brazzil.com and other sociology web sites.
He even posts links with he and his wife, with pictures, to articles that are published in Rio's newspapers and professional periodicals that deal with his sociology work with pros and the adult industry.
He and his wife are considered credible academics that the press use as sources.
Lighten up fellas, he's not a monger and has nothing to protect from a privacy perspective.
The Watcher
10-27-09, 02:18
Publicly posting his real name and a picture of his wife is way over the line. Everyone needs to report the original post and ask Jackson to remove it.
Poucoloco wrote a post on this topic entitled "Please Read The Forum Rules". Since that seemed like good advice, I read the rules and found the following:
"No Real Names: Please do not post any real names or personal identification numbers of any Forum Member in the Forum at any time. Please use the Forum's Private Messaging system to exchange this information. Please review the Posting Guidelines below for more information."
Accordingly, as Exec Talent has suggested, Jackson should remove that post.
Bdonkadonk
10-27-09, 04:22
I read the rules and found the following:
"No Real Names: Please do not post any real names or personal identification numbers of any Forum Member in the Forum at any time."
Knowing this I don't understand how the post of Crab was published in the first place. As the new member he is his posts are being moderated, so obviously a moderator must have approved on publishing his post with all that personal information?
Jamaicanceo
10-27-09, 05:29
Poucoloco wrote a post on this topic entitled "Please Read The Forum Rules". Since that seemed like good advice, I read the rules and found the following:
"No Real Names: Please do not post any real names or personal identification numbers of any Forum Member in the Forum at any time. Please use the Forum's Private Messaging system to exchange this information. Please review the Posting Guidelines below for more information."
Accordingly, as Exec Talent has suggested, Jackson should remove that post.I disagree about about applying the rules in this situation. Many of us participate on this board for the obvious reasons. However, Macunaima AKA Quincas has chosen to us this forum for adverse reasons, which means his usage of our information could be a contradiction to our memberships. I don't know why Macunaima AKA Quincas' personal information wasn't vetted, but it's a good thing. We should know who he is. Imagine if your GDP is used by Macunaima AKA Quincas for his purposes. I'm sure Macunaima AKA Quincas would expose one of us if he could. I'm sure he doesn't abide by the forum rules.
Knowing this I don't understand how the post of Crab was published in the first place. As the new member he is his posts are being moderated, so obviously a moderator must have approved on publishing his post with all that personal information? Crab is a new member/user name only in the sense that the person has never posted anything before. According to the profile, this person has been a registered member since 2004. Why was this first post so over the top? Ther's more to this story! All of a sudden, Mr. Q/Mac is now the victim. Are those people in the pic really who he says they are?
My fellow mongers, I think this is just an attemt to manipulate our sympathy.
How would a lurker from 2004 have a pic of any of us?
Ryjer
Papi Muy Rico
10-27-09, 09:14
This just published by O Globo!
http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2009/10/26/novo-mis-secretario-diz-que-justica-despejara-help-na-quinta-feira-914073138.asp
One thing is sure, it is so strange and misterious.... 5 years no one post, first post one photo of such a strange member as Quincas ?
In 5 years he care nothing to write or to comment, just waited until now to post one non-girl photo ?
I guess here we have more than meet eyes....
Poucolouco
10-27-09, 14:52
Mac is well known by his screen name and "his real" name over at Brazzil.com and other sociology web sites.
He even posts links with he and his wife, with pictures, to articles that are published in Rio's newspapers and professional periodicals that deal with his sociology work with pros and the adult industry.
He and his wife are considered credible academics that the press use as sources.
Lighten up fellas, he's not a monger and has nothing to protect from a privacy perspective.
It is not up to you to decide who has nothing to protect? The rules are very clear.
NO Personally Identifying Information Please do not post any member's Personally Identifying Information, as follows:
The following items constitute Personally Identifying Information and will be deleted.
•First and Last Name together
•First Initial with Last Name
•First Name with Last Initial
Any Forum Member violating this rule will be banned immediately.
Beach Star
10-27-09, 17:40
But still admin will not delete the post. Very strange, figure there is stuff here that somebody should explain, 'cos it aint making much sense to the average poster!!
This just published by O Globo!
http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2009/10/26/novo-mis-secretario-diz-que-justica-despejara-help-na-quinta-feira-914073138.aspHmm...thought this would've caused a flurry of posts. Perhaps it got lost in translation:
"This time, the government is convinced that there are no more obstacles for the state to take possession of the property where club Help, one of the symbols of sexual tourism in Rio, and restaurants Sobre as Ondas and Terraço Atlântico are located. The Secretary-chief of staff, Régis Fichtner, confirmed on Monday that, on Thursday, a Justice Official will execute the order to vacate the building. if necessary, Police support will be request to ensure the release of the land.
The stock owner (Stefania Plaskowicka in Nodari) and the company that leases the building have been notified. Now, there is no further appeal. - says Fichtner.
Manuel Sampaio, a partner of the club and restaurants, said only that he was unaware of the order to vacate the premises, arguing that his company is only a tenant:
- The club has been here 25 years and the restaurants 28. As we have always done, we will continue paying the rent (about $R80 thousand). The expropriation is with the owners - says Sampaio, who did not provided the lawyers information for his company..."
So, If you are in Rio, tomorrow, Wed, may be Help's Last Day...MAYBE.
Exec Talent
10-28-09, 12:09
Went to L´uomo last evening. There were about 6 guys and 20 girls. Nice selection. Peter still makes the best caipirinhas in Rio. Greatly disappointed that the relax room has been taken out (well not exactly there are three chairs in a greatly reduced under construction area). Massages are now offered in Cabine 1.
Went to L´uomo last evening. There were about 6 guys and 20 girls. Nice selection. Peter still makes the best caipirinhas in Rio. Greatly disappointed that the relax room has been taken out (well not exactly there are three chairs in a greatly reduced under construction area). Massages are now offered in Cabine 1.
How's the sign? Still garish? :)
Went to L´uomo last evening. There were about 6 guys and 20 girls. Nice selection ... Hello Exec Talent,
Just a (honest) question. If you live in Rio, why do you go to Termas?
My experience is that the talent pool in Termas is not that great, even if higher than most escort sites. Furthermore, I find that Termas are more expensive than FKKs in Germany or good escorts in London. Finally, I find the Termas rooms a little depressing.
I can pull more beautiful girls by picking them up in social or professionnal settings. For example shop attendants or professionnal girls in businesses.
Is it just because sometimes you feel lazy and you are just looking for a quick shot? I am curious. Thanks for your answer.
Regards.
B.B
Exec Talent
10-28-09, 17:11
Hello Exec Talent,
Just a (honest) question. If you live in Rio, why do you go to Termas?
My experience is that the talent pool in Termas is not that great, even if higher than most escort sites. Furthermore, I find that Termas are more expensive than FKKs in Germany or good escorts in London. Finally, I find the Termas rooms a little depressing.
I can pull more beautiful girls by picking them up in social or professionnal settings. For example shop attendants or professionnal girls in businesses.
Is it just because sometimes you feel lazy and you are just looking for a quick shot? I am curious. Thanks for your answer.
Regards.
B.B
What is nice about L'uomo even though it is getting less and less that way is what was portrayed in the US television series Cheers. It is a cool place to hang out even if you don't session. BTW, I do not live full-time in Rio, just spend a lot of time here.
What is nice about L'uomo even though it is getting less and less that way is what was portrayed in the US television series Cheers. It is a cool place to hang out even if you don't session. BTW, I do not live full-time in Rio, just spend a lot of time here.
Plus it's in a great shopping mall.
Fredthefedhed
10-28-09, 20:24
Im in Rio right now. I plan to go to Help tonite.
Will it be open or what?
Exec Talent
10-28-09, 22:11
Let me say this as nicely as I can. Give it a rest dickhead.
You come here and contribute nothing other than trying to hype your crap book which consists realistically of 50 pages most of which contain content ripped off from forums like this one.
Unlike you, no one here is trying to sell anything. We are trying to help each other and for free. Any encounter I have with guys like you (even internet ones) make me nauseous. I always feel like I need to take a shower to get the slime off.
People here are not stupid. If they didn’t have your number after my initial book review, they certainly have it now.
Let me say this as nicely as I can. Give it a rest dickhead.
You come here and contribute nothing other than trying to hype your crap book which consists realistically of 50 pages most of which contain content ripped off from forums like this one.
Unlike you, no one here is trying to sell anything. We are trying to help each other and for free. Any encounter I have with guys like you (even internet ones) make me nauseous. I always feel like I need to take a shower to get the slime off.
People here are not stupid. If they didn’t have your number after my initial book review, they certainly have it now.
ET - I indeed value your posts, the information. But these arguments and slagging off are just giving bandwidth to the very people you slate. I vote we all give it a rest. Anyone who wants to carry on can be ignored in less space than with an argument. Or if posts need to be reported, just report them and let Jackson decide. (ps no-one thank me, please! Just use the board for what it's intended. Jackson's the only god on here.)
I have been on this board for about 5 years. Almost every day for the past 5 years there's been speculation that Help will shut down on this forum. I love Help, but I'm beginning to wish the damn thing would just shut down already to put us all out of this 'Help is going to shut down tomorrow' hell.
Hmm...thought this would've caused a flurry of posts. Perhaps it got lost in translation:
"This time, the government is convinced that there are no more obstacles for the state to take possession of the property where club Help, one of the symbols of sexual tourism in Rio, and restaurants Sobre as Ondas and Terraço Atlântico are located. The Secretary-chief of staff, Régis Fichtner, confirmed on Monday that, on Thursday, a Justice Official will execute the order to vacate the building. if necessary, Police support will be request to ensure the release of the land.
The stock owner (Stefania Plaskowicka in Nodari) and the company that leases the building have been notified. Now, there is no further appeal. - says Fichtner.
Manuel Sampaio, a partner of the club and restaurants, said only that he was unaware of the order to vacate the premises, arguing that his company is only a tenant:
- The club has been here 25 years and the restaurants 28. As we have always done, we will continue paying the rent (about $R80 thousand). The expropriation is with the owners - says Sampaio, who did not provided the lawyers information for his company..."
So, If you are in Rio, tomorrow, Wed, may be Help's Last Day...MAYBE.
Exec Talent
10-29-09, 04:55
I have been on this board for about 5 years. Almost every day for the past 5 years there's been speculation that Help will shut down on this forum. I love Help, but I'm beginning to wish the damn thing would just shut down already to put us all out of this 'Help is going to shut down tomorrow' hell.
Have to admit it was pretty funny watching Macunaima trying to scribble notes in the dark. BTW, I was the nice guy who told your friend which way you went when she could not find you.
At the peak only about 200 people showed up for the event. They did broadcast the news on the big screen showing Help followed by pictures of the forthcoming museum. There were some TV cameras outside and a few interviews being conducted other than that it was pretty quiet.
Finally! :D:D:D
http://g1.globo.com/jornaldaglobo/0,,MUL1358899-16021,00-A+ULTIMA+NOITE+DA+BOATE+MAIS+FAMOSA+DE+COPACABANA.html
JohnnyBraz
10-29-09, 08:09
Finally! :D:D:D
http://g1.globo.com/jornaldaglobo/0,,MUL1358899-16021,00-A+ULTIMA+NOITE+DA+BOATE+MAIS+FAMOSA+DE+COPACABANA.htmlI am glad that help has closed. Over the last few years it has went seriously down hill, alot off garotas from the local favelas had taken over and they would struggle to get a program a week in vm. Had some good times there, but all were a few years ago. It will be interesting to see where the women head to. I think balconey will see a large percentage. Atleast untill a new venue comes up.
Exec Talent
10-29-09, 10:23
Finally! :D:D:D
http://g1.globo.com/jornaldaglobo/0,,MUL1358899-16021,00-A+ULTIMA+NOITE+DA+BOATE+MAIS+FAMOSA+DE+COPACABANA.html
This video clip actually was played inside Help (to some boos when the museum was shown) last night.
I will be in Rio in 10 days and it will be interesting to see how this changes the street scene in Rio. I did not go to Help personally (termas, agencies, independents and now focusing on making friends as I will be there more frequently) - but this will change the scene and dynamic in the area. A lot has been speculated here: will the termas get more crowded, will area bars get more packed, what will the streets look like. I will report here on what I see when there.
Im in Rio right now. I plan to go to Help tonite.
Will it be open or what?
Good timing.
Why are guys so happy that Help is closing? I never really understood the mind set of some of the guys on here and other boards who hate Help so much. I have heard them them say shit like "I wouldnt care if the place burned to the ground". If you (speaking in general terms) do not like Help, then dont fucking go there!!
For instance, I think Scores is the biggest rip off place in NYC. A bunch of super skinny, silicone tittied women. who way over charge for lap dances and watered down drinks. However that doesnt mean that i wouldn t want other people to enjoy the place. If thats your thing, then by all means, have a ball!
Why cant mongers just have the attitude that "Well Help isnt my cup of tea, but as long as other guys gave fun there....)
Why are guys so happy that Help is closing? I never really understood the mind set of some of the guys on here and other boards who hate Help so much. I have heard them them say shit like "I wouldnt care if the place burned to the ground". If you (speaking in general terms) do not like Help, then dont fucking go there!!
For instance, I think Scores is the biggest rip off place in NYC. A bunch of super skinny, silicone tittied women. who way over charge for lap dances and watered down drinks. However that doesnt mean that i wouldn t want other people to enjoy the place. If thats your thing, then by all means, have a ball!
Why cant mongers just have the attitude that "Well Help isnt my cup of tea, but as long as other guys gave fun there....)I don't see anyone here celebrating the closing of Help. They are just reporting it as it has been a long time coming. I, for one, am disappointed that I never experienced it once even though I had plenty of opportunities to. I was hoping to go in 10 days. Missed it. But, it was not cup of tea. I had plans to go several times but actually got sidetracked with other options before heading in.
But I think most guys here have the attitude that there are different strokes for different folks. And I sense they support everyone's choices (for the most part). I'll report on immediate post-Help Rio in 10 days.
Beach Star
10-29-09, 17:40
Why are guys so happy that Help is closing? I never really understood the mind set of some of the guys on here and other boards who hate Help so much. I have heard them them say shit like "I wouldnt care if the place burned to the ground". If you (speaking in general terms) do not like Help, then dont fucking go there!!
For instance, I think Scores is the biggest rip off place in NYC. A bunch of super skinny, silicone tittied women. who way over charge for lap dances and watered down drinks. However that doesnt mean that i wouldn t want other people to enjoy the place. If thats your thing, then by all means, have a ball!
Why cant mongers just have the attitude that "Well Help isnt my cup of tea, but as long as other guys gave fun there....)
Hey man! We must be reading different forums. Sensation I get is a general feeling of regret that an institution like Help has closed. Maybe it wasn`t really my cup of tea, but you always knew it was there. I will miss it.
why are guys so happy that help is closing?
i'm happy because of several reasons.
1. help and the people frequenting help has driven up the prices sky-high. the girls are spoilt. a gp in copa should be more than satisfied with r$ 100-150 (maximum)/tln without needing to bargain. if the help-girls will continue to make a decent living they will lower their prices. i like low prices. :d
2. help closing means a lot of gps will find new places to work. termas, mp, balcony, av atlantica, prado junior, centro, vm, escorts etc. i think the new scene will be interesting.
3. i always stay in an apartment very close to help. now the neighbourhood will be much calmer. less scum hanging around in the side streets, less noise, less smell of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) etc. excellent!
4. imo opinion help fulfilled no need at all. if i want to buy sex there are lots other options. if i want to go clubbing there are also lots of other options. help is (sorry, was :)) just a club with super-expensive low/average-quality gps.
help closing affects all rio mongers (not just the help addicts), in a good or a bad way.
i'm happy because of several reasons.
1. help and the people frequenting help has driven up the prices sky-high. the girls are spoilt. a gp in copa should be more than satisfied with r$ 100-150
(maximum)/tln without needing to bargain. if the help-girls will continue to make a decent living they will lower their prices. i like low prices. :d
2. help closing means a lot of gps will find new places to work. termas, mp, balcony, av atlantica, prado junior, centro, vm, escorts etc. i think the new scene will be interesting.
3. i always stay in an apartment very close to help. now the neighbourhood will be much calmer. less scum hanging around in the side streets, less noise, less smell of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) etc. excellent!
4. imo opinion help fulfilled no need at all. if i want to buy sex there are lots other options. if i want to go clubbing there are also lots of other options. help is (sorry, was :)) just a club with super-expensive low/average-quality gps.
help closing affects all rio mongers (not just the help addicts), in a good or a bad way.my only response to this is
it was not always this way,
or
you did not always feel this way?
i think the members who have been going to rio for years are the ones who are happy help closes
sad
This is terrible news, I loved help, I will be in Rio for 3 weeks in December, and was looking forward to visiting Help at least half of those nights.
So. Now where can I pick up a girl at 2am, slighlty drink, and slightly horny? Please let me know!
I know alot of people didn't like help, but as an earlier poster said, if you don't like it then don't go, its not causing any harm to anyone, and I for one loved it, and as far as I am concerned its a great loss.
Peace
Although I didn't frequent HELP a great deal, I had some great fun there, back in the day. As early as 1990, it holds for me, some fantastic memories. Great socializing, dancing, drinking and some terrific GROPING with some very lovely honeys over the years. Ahhh!!
I think, however, that what some guys do not realize and what I fear most, is that the closing of HELP is just the beginning and sets precedence. Ask yourself, "...what great mongering establishment is NEXT in line to fall?" VM, 4x4, L'uomo, Balcony, Barbarella, La Cicciolina, Monte Carlo, Centro, Buenos Aires 85, Buenos Aires 113, Rua Uruguaiana 24?
Didn't someone already just post a report about VM possibly shutting down? In any case I guess we'll all just have to adapt, whatever the outcome.
You did not always feel this way?
I think the members who have been going to Rio for years are the ones who are happy help closes
I used to like Help 1991-1997.
More girls, higher quality and freebies were not that hard to find.
I used to like Help 1991-1997.
More girls, higher quality and freebies were not that hard to find.Thats my point SP some of us never seen help through your eyes it still and will be the most fascinating things I have or ever will see
Me personally have been going to Rio since 2005
I too don't choose any of girls any longer because of the asking price
I never thought it had to be full of talent because there always seem to be one (1) who I'll do LOL
But I still enjoy the atmsophere it still is going to be miss.
I'm still waiting to see a report from someone tonight or tomorrow who can actually confirm that they went by there and it was closed. Can anybody actually confirm this? Not what somebody said. Can anybody actually say they were out front of the place at midnight and it was closed?
... I think, however, that what some guys do not realize and what I fear most, is that the closing of HELP is just the beginning and sets precedence. Ask yourself, "...what great mongering establishment is NEXT in line to fall?" VM, 4x4, L'uomo, Balcony, Barbarella, La Cicciolina, Monte Carlo, Centro, Buenos Aires 85, Buenos Aires 113, Rua Uruguaiana 24?
It is not just Help closing. It is the whole country of Brazil which is changing. No more double digits or treble digits inflation. No more external debt. Corruption being fought back. Oil found which will make Brazil a new Saudi Arabia. Levels of consumption rising. More Brazilians travelling abroad, etc.
Brazil is becoming a 1st world country fast ... and the USA and Europe are slipping.
Soon the Brazilians will come to the USA to bang American chicks for cheap !
Regards.
B.B.
Brazil is becoming a 1st world country fast ... and the USA and Europe are slipping. BB, I traveled around Brazil, quit a bit and have seen a growing, burgeoning and prosperous country, but I think Brazil is still probably two/three decades away from 1st world status.
Soon the Brazilians will come to the USA to bang American chicks for cheap ! You had me laughing at that one...but I understand what you're saying!
BB, I traveled around Brazil, quit a bit and have seen a growing, burgeoning and prosperous country, but I think Brazil is still probably two/three decades away from 1st world status.Brazil will have the world's 5th largest economy by 2016. When you travel throughout the country you see road projects, foreign corporate offices and plants being built, lots of activity. Inflation can still be problematic and it certainly not all smooth sailing. But opportunities galore for those who go after them. There is an emerging middle class here now.
They finally did it. All things come to an end. It still saddens me they have closed. Well, I had lotsa fun, and have great memories. Valeu!
It should be very interesting how things work out. Will be there in about twenty days. I'll report back with what I find.
Gfe Finder
10-30-09, 03:18
1. help and the people frequenting help has driven up the prices sky-high. the girls are spoilt. a gp in copa should be more than satisfied with r$ 100-150 (maximum)/tln without needing to bargain. if the help-girls will continue to make a decent living they will lower their prices. i like low prices. :d
fair enough, i've noticed this problem myself. in fact, the article linked below quotes a gdp openly admitting that gringos paid more:
http://g1.globo.com/noticias/rio/0,,mul1358705-5606,00-frequentadores+e+funcionarios+lamentam+fechamento+da+boate+help.html
2. help closing means a lot of gps will find new places to work. termas, mp, balcony, av atlantica, prado junior, centro, vm, escorts etc. i think the new scene will be interesting.
the advantages i saw in help (back in the golden age) were: a.) selection, b.) the possibility of tln, and c.) open late. correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't know of another rio venue that could house as many gdps to choose from, particularly at that hour. (4x4 would be closest, but still open only weekdays until midnight and fewer girls than a packed help night.) in theory, you could go anywhere in rio and a gdp who likes you would give you tln (if they didn't flake out first.) however, it was always easiest to get tln from a buzzed, tired help girl who you hauled out to your nice hotel at 3-4am.
3. i always stay in an apartment very close to help. now the neighbourhood will be much calmer. less scum hanging around in the side streets, less noise, less smell of [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) etc. excellent!
yes, this would be a clear benefit to help's closing, unless of course they simply rep001ter to the boites near leme, the centro area, or wherever else we gringos will be going.
4. imo opinion help fulfilled no need at all. if i want to buy sex there are lots other options. if i want to go clubbing there are also lots of other options. help is (sorry, was :)) just a club with super-expensive low/average-quality gps.
help closing affects all rio mongers (not just the help addicts), in a good or a bad way.
i've elaborated on what i thought were help's unique advantages so it was fulfilling some need, however increasingly poorly over time. i was never one of its biggest fans but i will miss it.
I've elaborated what I thought were Help's unique advantages so it was fulfilling some need, however increasingly poorly over time. I was never one of its biggest fans but I will miss it.
I will also miss HELP. I remember the first time I walked in the door (1998)! I could not believe my eye or all the girls copping a feel. It was the complete opposite of clubs here in the U.S. Some of the best time I had in Rio were at Help and some of the finest ass in the world graced those doors. If you could dance and enjoyed doing so, you would have the time of your life in Help. It made a mere mortal feel like a rock star! (2003 &2004) Sadly in recent years, Help fell off. Oh, but the memories! Gone, but not soon forgetten.
RonnyRon
Well well, wanted to make one last trip this thanksgiving before Help closes, just missed it. Looking for apartments and apt agent is asking us to take ones near Balcony, upselling balcony as the hottest place right now.
Staying around Help you could find girls during the day at MP. Is there any spot like that near balcony? or near help is still a better mongering spot?
....I think, however, that what some guys do not realize and what I fear most, is that the closing of HELP is just the beginning and sets precedence. Ask yourself, "...what great mongering establishment is NEXT in line to fall?" VM, 4x4, L'uomo, Balcony, Barbarella, La Cicciolina, Monte Carlo, Centro, Buenos Aires 85, Buenos Aires 113, Rua Uruguaiana 24?....
If this happens--and it probably won't--Rio mongers may just have to find a new locale for mongering. Germany with its FKK Clubs may be a good alternative. I recently got back from a trip there and can attest that Club Artemis in Berlin makes the Rio termas look like convents (well, almost). In fact, I have egg on my face because I have been touting Rio as the pussy capital of the world, and I am now rethinking that.
I am not necessarily encouraging mongering in Germany; for one thing, the exchange rate at this time makes it very expensive for Americans. But my point is that the only inevitability in life (besides death) is change. Nothing lasts; Buddhists have been saying that for 2500 years. So let's enjoy the memories we have, adjust to the change, and move on. Just my two centavos (or pfennigs) worth.
Smooth Slim
10-30-09, 04:58
I will miss Help. It was part of the scene that made mongering in Rio so diverse. Just like the termas, bars/restaurants, VM, escort services and beaches, Help was another option.
I agree is was a fun place to go to watch the scene of GDPs trying to run their angles. I has changed since I started going to Rio in 2003.
I hope another place springs up.
I too will be interested in seeing the scene in late November through December during my visit.
Any place that inspires such emotion (both pro and con) in grown men is truly special. A few years ago, my plane landed in Rio after midnight. I got to my apartment in Ipanema about 2am. Dead tired, but all I can think is, "I have to go to Help. I have to go to Help." My heart's racing. Took the quickest shower of my life, bolted out the door.
Couldn't find a cab. Start hoofing it towards Copa. It was mid-week and Help was kind of dead, but I still felt so relieved, like I was back on hallowed ground for the first time in months. I didn't hook up that night, but I still slept like a baby.
The owners and the state of Rio have reached an agreement. Help will stay open and close forever on Nov 15, 2009.
http://oglobo.globo.com/rio/mat/2009/10/29/boate-help-chega-acordo-com-governo-fecha-no-proximo-dia-15-de-novembro-914431419.asp
Here's my dos centavos on it's closing:
Those that are cheering it's demise are myopic in their views and are viewing it as the state of Rio does. Help itself was never the problem. We'll lose a great venue in this hobby of ours. That is never good. Once it's gone, it can never be replaced nor replicated. I remind you of Times Square in New York and Boston's Combat Zone.
Look at what's happening in Sao Paulo, with that local government targeting mongering establishments. With the Olympics and the World Cup on the Horizon, I fear the closing of Help is only the beginning.
Mr Enternational
10-30-09, 06:02
I think, however, that what some guys do not realize and what I fear most, is that the closing of HELP is just the beginning and sets precedence. Ask yourself, "...what great mongering establishment is NEXT in line to fall?" VM, 4x4, L'uomo, Balcony, Barbarella, La Cicciolina, Monte Carlo, Centro, Buenos Aires 85, Buenos Aires 113, Rua Uruguaiana 24?
Didn't someone already just post a report about VM possibly shutting down?
I seriously doubt that. Those are primarily local dives whereas Help=sex tourism. It's the sex tourism that they want to act like they're fighting. They could care less if the locals are paying for pussy.
Sexmachine1
10-30-09, 06:16
Does this mean that Help will be open until Nov 15?
I will be in Rio on Tuesday. I love hanging out at Help and TA. It doesn't mean that I always pull a girl from there but it has a nice Club atmosphere to relax, Drink, Dance and watch the mind games being played there.
I, for one, will definitely miss Help but if it is open till Nov. 15, I will be fine for this trip 'cause I go back Nov. 10
Can someone confirm if Help is still open?
The owners and the state of Rio have reached an agreement. Help will stay open and close forever on Nov 15, 2009.
Somebody got bribed?
My guess is that Help will (unfortunately :))not close this year. Maybe in March 2010? To much money to be made during New Year/Carnaval.
Any place that inspires such emotion (both pro and con) in grown men is truly special. A few years ago, my plane landed in Rio after midnight. I got to my apartment in Ipanema about 2am. Dead tired, but all I can think is, "I have to go to Help. I have to go to Help." My heart's racing. Took the quickest shower of my life, bolted out the door.
Couldn't find a cab. Start hoofing it towards Copa. It was mid-week and Help was kind of dead, but I still felt so relieved, like I was back on hallowed ground for the first time in months. I didn't hook up that night, but I still slept like a baby.Its truly is an addiction if you don't want to believe it
Man I know the feeling everytime I arrive in Rio no matter what time I am out the door in a flash (also after the quickest shower)
I will miss Help. It was part of the scene that made mongering in Rio so diverse. Just like the termas, bars/restaurants, VM, escort services and beaches, Help was another option.
I agree is was a fun place to go to watch the scene of GDPs trying to run their angles. I has changed since I started going to Rio in 2003.
I hope another place springs up.
I too will be interested in seeing the scene in late November through December during my visit.I arrive Dec 22 thru Jan 24.
Let's hope another 11th hour move occur.
Here is some food for thought, most of these girls are from other states, like Minas Gerais and so forth, I went to fortaleza not to long ago and plaia de irashima where all the boites are is a good place to start a new mongering spot, I saw plenty of GDP there and is warm all year round so the potential to be a new spot is there. What you think fellow gentlemen? I know that these GDP from Rio would travel north. If some go as far as Europe to make money surely traveling to Fortaleza would not be a problem. I should unionize these GDP hahahaha. Um cafeton
If this happens--and it probably won't--Rio mongers may just have to find a new locale for mongering. Germany with its FKK Clubs may be a good alternative. I recently got back from a trip there and can attest that Club Artemis in Berlin makes the Rio termas look like convents (well, almost). In fact, I have egg on my face because I have been touting Rio as the pussy capital of the world, and I am now rethinking that.
I am not necessarily encouraging mongering in Germany; for one thing, the exchange rate at this time makes it very expensive for Americans. But my point is that the only inevitability in life (besides death) is change. Nothing lasts; Buddhists have been saying that for 2500 years. So let's enjoy the memories we have, adjust to the change, and move on. Just my two centavos (or pfennigs) worth.
Lorenzo,
While I am also a fan of the GErman FKK scene (went to Oase just two nights ago and had outstanding sex with a hot Brailian girl), I have to take issue with your comparison between Artemis and the Rio termas.
Yes, almost all of the girls in the German FKKs walk around completely nude, whereas they wear bathing suits in the termas. And yes, the FKKs can even be cheaper with their all-you-can-drink entrance fee of around 60 to 70 euros and the flat rate of 50 euros per half-hour pop. BUT: you can get undivided all-night attention from a girl in a terma, while by and large the girls in an FKK will not even so much as look at you any more once your 50 euros for the session have changed hands.
For my money it's definitely Rio over Germany by a wide margin. Oh, and if 4*4 what it's like in a "convent", then I'll become catholic in a hurry :D
euro
Here is some food for thought, most of these girls are from other states, like Minas Gerais and so forth, I went to fortaleza not to long ago and plaia de irashima where all the boites are is a good place to start a new mongering spot...
"Plaia de irashima" = "Praia de Iracema"
(just in case somebody tries to do a forum search).
Exec Talent
10-30-09, 19:09
Its truly is an addiction if you don't want to believe it
Man I know the feeling everytime I arrive in Rio no matter what time I am out the door in a flash (also after the quickest shower)
Be sure that you call ahead for a cab. In Rio, they are nearly impossible to get! I come all times of the year, use them pretty much exclusively and have had to wait all of maybe 20 seconds one time.
the owners and the state of rio have reached an agreement. help will stay open and close forever on nov 15, 2009.
i haven't been inside help for a few years now. i did prefer to sit outside at the restaurant have my drinks and meal and watch the talent.
i am scheduled to arrive at galeao at 22:00 on november 15th.
i feel obliged to go there for its final night as a tribute to the nice times and catches i once had from helpee.
cheers from pattaya.
el greco
i haven't been inside help for a few years now. i did prefer to sit outside at the restaurant have my drinks and meal and watch the talent.
i am scheduled to arrive at galeao at 22:00 on november 15th.
i feel obliged to go there for its final night as a tribute to the nice times and catches i once had from helpee.
cheers from pattaya.
el greco
καλή τύχη.
Its truly is an addiction if you don't want to believe it Or being under a spell. (How do you say in Port? Feitiço? Encantado?)
Walking alone from Ipanema to Copa in the dead of night is not a rational thing to do. But my adrenaline was so pumped about getting to Help, I didn't give much thought to any threats in the street. It's almost as if I felt, "well, if I don't get to Help I'm gonna die anyway, so what does it matter."
The secret of Help's spell? It wasn't horniness as much as the very real possibility that at Help (or Terraco) you might end the night with the greatest lay, or GFE, of your life. And if you didn't, so what? The great carnal casino would be open again tomorrow and you could take another spin on the wheel.
Not anymore, though. It's like shutting down Disney World. There will always be other amusement parks, but there's only one Disney World.
On the upside, the door's open now for something new to come along that could ultimately have a bigger impact. There's a lot of sharp people on this board (ET, Sperto, Mac, just to name a few) who really understand Brazilian culture, its economy, politics, law. And of course, mongering. If some of you were to get together and build a true successor to Help... well, Field of Dreams, gentlemen. Field of Dreams.
Back now from 2 days in FKK... soon I will report and make a comparison as well, but to make long short.... Termas girls win for me !
Jamaicanceo
10-31-09, 02:38
I had a great session at 4x4 with a fine and thick dark skin GDP. She did all as promised, BBBJ, Anal, pop-shot in her mouth and gave me her cell and email for an at my apartment session.
The gdp at 4x4 were aggressive. I definitely will be there next week.
By the way, Help at a reprieve from the governor. Me an my crew are heading to Help now. My advice on Help, if anything about Help doesn't come from the owner, then it ain't worth discussing.
Lorenzo,
While I am also a fan of the GErman FKK scene (went to Oase just two nights ago and had outstanding sex with a hot Brailian girl), I have to take issue with your comparison between Artemis and the Rio termas.
Yes, almost all of the girls in the German FKKs walk around completely nude, whereas they wear bathing suits in the termas. And yes, the FKKs can even be cheaper with their all-you-can-drink entrance fee of around 60 to 70 euros and the flat rate of 50 euros per half-hour pop. BUT: you can get undivided all-night attention from a girl in a terma, while by and large the girls in an FKK will not even so much as look at you any more once your 50 euros for the session have changed hands.
For my money it's definitely Rio over Germany by a wide margin. Oh, and if 4*4 what it's like in a "convent", then I'll become catholic in a hurry :D
euro
Euro100,
We don't really have any profound disagreement. My post was responding to another post expressing concern that the pussy scene in Rio might dry up, and I was proposing that in the unlikely event that this happened, Germany might be a viable alternative. Besides, it's good to vary your mongering scenes once in a while. I don't pretend to know that much about the mongering scene in Germany; Artemis was the only FKK I visited. However, having said that, I think Artemis beats anything in Rio. Obviously you disagree, as is your right. The "convent" remark was intended as tongue-in-cheek hyperbole and not meant to be taken seriously.
One more thing, however: I don't want "undivided all-night attention" from a termas girl. Once we have finished our session I want to move on and would prefer that she did too. We all have different mongering styles, which is one of the things that make this forum so special.
Member #3439
10-31-09, 05:55
Its truly is an addiction if you don't want to believe it
Man I know the feeling everytime I arrive in Rio no matter what time I am out the door in a flash (also after the quickest shower)The fastest shower comment strikes a chord for me. I like to measure time-to-pink whenever I visit a city for the first time. Time starts when I walk away from the hotel checkout desk and ends when the sex starts.
On my first trip to Rio, my time to pink was less than 35 minutes from check-in at Copa Premier to sessioning a garota at Bar 22. That was thanks to all the great intelligence from ISG. I had done so much reading here that I felt like I knew Copa and Centro before ever setting foot in Rio.
Euro100,
One more thing, however: I don't want "undivided all-night attention" from a termas girl. Once we have finished our session I want to move on and would prefer that she did too. We all have different mongering styles, which is one of the things that make this forum so special.
Maybe not "undivided all-night attention" but I remember not too long ago you were looking for a girl from a termas to spend the weekend with you at the Sheraton in Rio. I don't know if it happened or not, probably not. But doesn't that count?
As the 2016 Olympics come, I expect to see much of the places we enjoy going away. If they can take out Help, any of the others can go too. I'm glad we all got to enjoy Rio before the fun places we have enjoyed were closed.
I wonder how much Brazil will lose in tourism dollars over the next decade, I think Brazil sees itself as a major economic player and wants to eliminate this part of the economy.
Maybe not "undivided all-night attention" but I remember not too long ago you were looking for a girl from a termas to spend the weekend with you at the Sheraton in Rio. I don't know if it happened or not, probably not. But doesn't that count?
Yes, it did happen. In fact, I posted about it over a year ago. And no, it doesn't count, because what I was talking about here is a girl hanging on to you in the termas itself, which I certainly don't want. But if others want that, well, to each his own. Having her come over to your hotel or apartment is an entirely different story.
As the 2016 Olympics come, I expect to see much of the places we enjoy going away. If they can take out Help, any of the others can go too. I'm glad we all got to enjoy Rio before the fun places we have enjoyed were closed.
I wonder how much Brazil will lose in tourism dollars over the next decade, I think Brazil sees itself as a major economic player and wants to eliminate this part of the economy.Sex tourism $ is such small potatoes to the investment $ Brazil is bringing in over the next 10 years. They have every right to see themselves as a major economic player. They are fast becoming one and there is no stopping that.
I wonder how much Brazil will lose in tourism dollars over the next decade, I think Brazil sees itself as a major economic player and wants to eliminate this part of the economy.
World Cup and the Olympics in the coming decade. There will be a big tourist boom.
You don't think seriously that Brazil will suffer economically because of the loss of some mongers who will boycott Brazil as a destination, because of Help closing?
Closing Help doesn't mean the end of mongering in Rio. Help had it coming, as their 25 year lease was up. They might close a couple of termas temporary as well, as a political show, but there will always be a wast supply of GP-services in Rio. No worries!
I expect to see much of the places we enjoy going away. If they can take out Help, any of the others can go too.
Help was a big target, took over almost one whole block on Ave. Atlantica in Copacabana, it was out in the open and in your face along with the crowds of Terraco Atlantico. This is why Help had to go IMHO because it was the sign of sex tourism for everybody to see. It defined Copacabana as a sex tourist destination. Go to any regular tourist site and ask where to stay in Rio, they will tell you don't stay in Copa because there are nothing but prostitutes there. They want to get rid of that reputation now.
All the other places like the termas, like barbarellas are smaller venues tucked away on side streets that are not out in the open. I have never seen any regular tourist site complain about 4x4 or Luomo or Barbarellas or any casa downtown or VM because no one can see them, they are neatly tucked away and will probably survive for that reason.
I for one will miss Help and agree with everybody that Help isn't as good today as it was 10 years ago. I particularly enjoyed the music and the central location it provided for girls to come from all over Brazil to go to especially on Spring Break to make a few bucks. Maybe they'll still come but take over another club or congregate in the various cafes along Ave. Atlantica like they did years ago before Help was there.
So far as it is sure Help will close, better sooner than later, especially I am curious about where the girls will move.... Balcony and MP are too small for all the GDP that in january were inside Help.
Btw could we expect that the apts around Help will become a bit cheaper now ? Cause for example me, now I would prefer an apt between MC and L'Uomo or close to a metro station instead walking distance from Help.
Btw could we expect that the apts around Help will become a bit cheaper now ? Cause for example me, now I would prefer an apt between MC and L'Uomo or close to a metro station instead walking distance from Help.
In one way it would be logic that it would become cheaper/less attractive as most gringos might want to rent apartments down at Blacony/Prado Junior. In another way not, now the Help area becomes more attractive to the brazilian tourists as there is no Help disturbing the neighborhood.
The majority of the tourists renting apartments in Copa ain't gringos but brazilian tourists (except at the agencies run by gringos, who live on overcharging gringos).
Btw could we expect that the apts around Help will become a bit cheaper now ? Cause for example me, now I would prefer an apt between MC and L'Uomo or close to a metro station instead walking distance from Help.
True to brasilian form, they will raise the price of the apartments because less people are staying there. Exact opposite of the American mindset of (Less demand = lower prices).
Anyone ever rent from this woman? Rita Codanda
I'm still looking for a place to stay on my last night 12-30-09 I depart on the 31th late. (News Years) This woman has a nice apt but I'm not sure if It's legit. I'm very disappointed to hear HELP is closing. I have an apt near HELP rented for most of my trip and was looking forward to checking it out.
JohnnyBraz
10-31-09, 20:53
So far as it is sure Help will close, better sooner than later, especially I am curious about where the girls will move.... Balcony and MP are too small for all the GDP that in january were inside Help.
Btw could we expect that the apts around Help will become a bit cheaper now ? Cause for example me, now I would prefer an apt between MC and L'Uomo or close to a metro station instead walking distance from Help.Balconey will always be packed, I think the rest will spread out through all the restraunts along the beach front. I think that the action will be alot earlier in the night. Peak time around 9pm. It will be very interesting to see. Apartments will be the same prices. If not more expensive round help. It's Brazil we are talking about after all.
So far as it is sure Help will close, better sooner than later, especially I am curious about where the girls will move.... Balcony and MP are too small for all the GDP that in january were inside Help.
Possibilities :
* Help opening a venue in Villa Mimosa ?
* A samba school where garotas could meet turistas ?
* Some spots in Lapa that are already packed with prostitutes at night ? (av Gomes Freire, av Augusto Severo, etc)
* Circo voador, also in Lapa ?
* Carioca da Gema and other music venues in Lapa that could turn into meat markets ?
I'm curios to see what the Copa-scene will look after Help closes.
Frankly, I don't expect much differences. Balcony will be the winner. MP will get some of the cake. Prado Junior will also get a bite.
It's not like it's an army of Help-girls that get employed. They'll propably just spread out:
- The lazy spoilt ones will continue trying their luck in Copa. After a couple of years they'll understand that they have passed the data de validade and disappears.
- The clever and good-looking GPs enters a a new market with brazilian customers or start working at a terma or Centro casa.
- The desperate GPs start running after old gringos in Copa. Get me pregnant and marry me!
- The poor coke-GPs will do their tricks on the pista and fade away quickly.
- The hardworking GPs gets down to VM to do some real honest work.
- The smart GPs have money saved and opens up a small shop etc.
- The GPs who lost their hope will return to the Norteast/interior or try to marry a poor guy in a favela.
Most propably will more Balcony-style places open where gringos will fell comfortable and attract the Copa GPs.
Exec Talent
10-31-09, 23:17
Just had an interesting discussion with someone about Balcony and the GDP clientele. They seemed to think just because the place had a lot of people around that it was a good business. Not the business I would want. I go there and will most likely go there later tonight. The girls take up space and spend virtually nothing. Guys come because of the girls and many of them too spend very little. Compared to the club next door, which was lining middle-class Brazilians out in the street paying cover and drinks the last time I was here, Balcony bar makes chicken feed. Unless someone is making money directly off the GDPs, which is illegal, I can think of no reason to want them anywhere near your business.
What if GDPs and gringoes will loot Mud Bug, next to Copacabana Palace? Lots of space, not nearly as big as Help but somewhat bigger than Balcony. Also its already very western style.... Only but is that the owners do not encourage such business... Mud Bug is packed with brasilians anyway... But if gringoes go there, GDPs will follow.
The Watcher
11-01-09, 00:51
Compared to the club next door, which was lining middle-class Brazilians out in the street paying cover and drinks the last time I was here, Balcony bar makes chicken feed.
In August, the club next to Balcony was not a middle-class Brasilian club anymore - it was a boite.
KellySlater
11-01-09, 01:31
In August, the club next to Balcony was not a middle-class Brasilian club anymore - it was a boite.Dolce Vida
Last Friday Night there was a line to get in around 10:30 that reached Ave Atlatica and wrapped around again. At least 150 people in line. Many hot regular brazilain 20 somethings.
Just had an interesting discussion with someone about Balcony and the GDP clientele. They seemed to think just because the place had a lot of people around that it was a good business. Not the business I would want. I go there and will most likely go there later tonight. The girls take up space and spend virtually nothing. Guys come because of the girls and many of them too spend very little. Compared to the club next door, which was lining middle-class Brazilians out in the street paying cover and drinks the last time I was here, Balcony bar makes chicken feed. Unless someone is making money directly off the GDPs, which is illegal, I can think of no reason to want them anywhere near your business.
Help mongers are not cheap, if they were they wouldn't be hanging out at Help they would be at Balcony today.
When Help closes they will follow the pink and buy the red bulls and whiskies.
Guys are we sure that the owner/staff of Help will not move to another disco maybe more hidden and that all the GDP will follow too ?
Even with Help working Balcony was packed, later will have to reserve a chair one week in advance....at least LOL.
I confirm, the club next door Balcony was a normal disco in january and in september I was surprised became a boite, I paid some fixed price for 2 drinks, the man at entrance told me all the girls inside did program, but I left very soon, they all were bad looking even if inside was dark.
And if the action will start earlier I am happy, next time I want to enjoy the beach at the morning too and not only late afternoon cause I stayed all the night at Help talking with friends....something that indeed I can do during day time too.
What if GDPs and gringoes will loot Mud Bug, next to Copacabana Palace? Lots of space, not nearly as big as Help but somewhat bigger than Balcony. Also its already very western style.... Only but is that the owners do not encourage such business... Mud Bug is packed with brasilians anyway... But if gringoes go there, GDPs will follow.
I have never been there but heard about it, sounds like a sports bar but I think you have the right idea.
My money is on Bunker in Copacabana, its a large club, close to Help but out of the way. It's big enough and neatly tucked away enough not to attract attention like Help does today. Don't forget Help at one time was one of the biggest clubs in South America untill Via Show came along so it needs a club of good size to replace it.
Just had an interesting discussion with someone about Balcony and the GDP clientele. Compared to the club next door, which was lining middle-class Brazilians out in the street paying cover and drinks the last time I was here,...
In August, the club next to Balcony was not a middle-class Brasilian club anymore - it was a boite.The Club immediately next door to Balcony, (actually above Balcony) is the old Holiday Club, it reopened as a restaurant - club. Guess it didn't do as well as hoped, as it's now a strip club, (I didn't catch the name.)
The Club ET is referring to, is located on the the second or third floor of the Ouro Verde Hotel. In late Sept, the line to get in was also out in the street. And Yes it was full of young middle class Brasilians. Guess it's the new HOT club for them.
Exec Talent
11-01-09, 06:13
In August, the club next to Balcony was not a middle-class Brasilian club anymore - it was a boite.
Dolce Vita was indeed a regular club for a short time and now is a strip club (and yes, there is a club a few doors down that caters to the young middle-class Brazilian crowd).
I asked the doorman why the change and his answer made me laugh. I quote him -- The club did well Friday and Saturday as a regular club but not so well during the week. Putas do well all days of the week!
Exec Talent
11-01-09, 06:23
help mongers are not cheap, if they were they wouldn't be hanging out at help they would be at balcony today.
when help closes they will follow the pink and buy the red bulls and whiskies.
i was at balcony tonight. my girl and i pulled another girl out of there who was an absolute sweetheart, beautiful with perfrect carmel colored skin. we had two cairpirinhas, three chopees -- total including tip r$43. i have no idea what a red bull and whiskey might cost.
Help replacement
What is beyond me is that no one here seems to realize that there's in Sao Paulo the greatest pick-up disco on the planet in the history of mankind, bar none : Love Story.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=843647&postcount=89
JohnnyBraz
11-01-09, 10:51
What is beyond me is that no one here seems to know that there's in Sao Paulo the greatest pick-up disco on the planet in the history of mankind, bar none : Love Story.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=843647&postcount=89Sounds like a good place, just one problem, it is 500 killometers away from HELP.
Uptown Hustler
11-01-09, 14:10
Last time I was in Rio I got scammed 3 times out of 4 by girls in Balcony trying to get paid up front and turning all night into short time (although the 4th was a sweetheart).
Anyone else experienced this? On previous trips I had no problems there.
The Club immediately next door to Balcony, (actually above Balcony) is the old Holiday Club, it reopened as a restaurant - club. Guess it didn't do as well as hoped, as it's now a strip club, (I didn't catch the name.)
The Club ET is referring to, is located on the the second or third floor of the Ouro Verde Hotel. In late Sept, the line to get in was also out in the street. And Yes it was full of young middle class Brasilians. Guess it's the new HOT club for them.
In the early 80's the Holiday club was in full swing. I used to go there, don't remember if they had strippers then or not but they had a dance floor and bar. When I walked in all I saw were young people dancing on the dance floor, One time I pulled a real stunner out of there and brought her to the Lido motel around the corner, I can still remember her till this day and that was 1983.
When I came back to rio in 1997, This club was not what it used to be, I never went back.
But before Help was what it is today these are the types of places we used to frequent to find girls, we would go from place to place until we found something, I'll put this place on my radar for my next trip.
Mr Enternational
11-01-09, 16:36
Sex tourism $ is such small potatoes to the investment $ Brazil is bringing in over the next 10 years. They have every right to see themselves as a major economic player. They are fast becoming one and there is no stopping that.If that is the case when will they stop making so much cheap shit (poor quality goods) and charging an arm and a leg for it?
If that is the case when will they stop making so much cheap shit (poor quality goods) and charging an arm and a leg for it? What specific goods are you talking about? Their furniture? Their electronics that carry a huge goevrnment imposed tax?
I was in a Carrefoor store in Gauruja yesterday and it was wall to wall people buying everything under the sun. I was surprised that most of what I purchaes was as cheap or cheaper than what I would pay back in the states (wines, liquor, suntan lotion, water, produce, meat)
And speaking of cheap shit. Have you driven a Ford or GM car lately? How you checked out most of the new home construction in the US over the past 5 years (yes, the same super shitty shoddy constructed homes that people are now upside down on their mortgages on thanks to the greedy US banking industry. No, SaoPauloB. I am not a Wall Street guy).
No, I don't think Brazil has an exclusive on selling some shitty stuff. But the consumer needs to be aware anywhere.
And. By the way. It is not me making the claims about Brazil becoming an economic world-power. It is the world economic community. It amazes me that several people here cannot see past where Brazil has been and where it is going. I am now living here 6 months a year. Doing business here. In a few years, I plan on being here full-time. Brazil is energy independent, is raking in global investments and is managing its economic future.
That said. Being that this is a sex forum. I'll try to do a quick assessment of the Guaruja pussy scene: It is a holiday weekend here. All Saints Day and this beach resort is packed. All Paulistas coming to soak in the sun, drink and party. First impression, so many fat f*cks! Dudes and chicks. I swear 50% of everyone is overweight. This totally surprised me as I thought folks here would be in better shape. Like being on a beach in south NJ watching all the cheesesteak and pretzel eating fat-f*ck Philadelphians. But their are hot chicks here too. Many with their boyfriends on a weekend getaway. As I am out at a restaurant or bar I make some eye contact with some of the girls and they look back while their boyfreinds look away. I swear I am the only gringo in this entire town. These brazilians guys really seem to do the macho thing. Also. The female store clerks seem to like to flirt with me. I certainly need to continue my Porto lessons as none of them speak a word of English. Since I am with some business associates here and can't really do the mongering thing. I set up a room at another hotel for tomorrow afternoon and arranged a GDP from a website for R$250 for 2 hours tomorrow. When I have a planned break from them. I'll report on this in a few days. I will finally shake free of my business associates next Sunday and then head to Rio. I will be all revved up and ready to go!
Exec Talent
11-01-09, 18:45
If that is the case when will they stop making so much cheap shit (poor quality goods) and charging an arm and a leg for it?
Check the labels. Many times you will find the ubiquitous -- Made in China.
Sounds like a good place, just one problem, it is 500 killometers away from HELP.
Seems you don't get my point. And seems that trying to explain it would be like trying to explain quantic physics to my dog. :rolleyes:
Seems you don't get my point. And seems that trying to explain it would be like trying to explain quantic physics to my dog. :rolleyes:
I'm pretty sure that if I'd tell you about things like the fantastic ethnic mixes in Georgia or Uzbekistan or the physical features of Sundanese women in Indonesia I'd get the same stare than if I'd talk of quantic physics to my dog. :rolleyes:
A damn smart dog you have, Prosal. :D
Poucolouco
11-01-09, 20:23
Check the labels. Many times you will find the ubiquitous -- Made in China.
Products manufactured in Brasil for the Brasil markets are notoriously inferior quality. Clothing is made of inferior fabric and seams are not well stitched, fabric panels are not matched on patterns nor weave. Brasilian tee shirts typically have a side seam and the neck hole stretches out of shape as the body shrinks 15 percent. Brasilian towels and bed linens are lightweight with low thread count. Hems unravel after just a few washings. Tramontina steel tools are pure shit and are lower quality than the Chinese used to make. Tramontina’s export stainless is inferior and tends to rust easily. Furniture is poorly manufactured with low quality joinery. Condoms? Bring your own brand.
Seems you don't get my point. And seems that trying to explain it would be like trying to explain quantic physics to my dog. :rolleyes:
Your point is well taken, thanks for the post on love Story, I always wanted to go there maybe now it will be soon.
Quantum physics might be a bit much for the dog, most people wouldn't even understand it or for that matter even be able to spell it. Try something easier like balancing a checkbook first.
Your point is well taken, thanks for the post on love Story, I always wanted to go there maybe now it will be soon.
Quantum physics might be a bit much for the dog, most people wouldn't even understand it or for that matter even be able to spell it. Try something easier like balancing a checkbook first.Love Story is a late starter. Actually, more of an after work place for girls still on the hunt for that last trick. Even so, no trip to SP complete without a visit.
Tramontina steel tools are pure shit and are lower quality than the Chinese used to make. Tramontina’s export stainless is inferior and tends to rust easily..
Tramontina steel doesn't need to be shit. Tramontina have a wide range. They have the cheap stuff that you can buy at Lojas Americanas and then you have their high end stuff made of top quality.
The high end stuff is harder to find, but there are a couple of shops in Rio specialized in this. It's not cheap, but it's worth every centavo.
When it comes to clothes made in Brazil you'll get what you pay for. There are lots of cheap low quality clothes, but at least when it comes to beach wear you can find good quality (Bad Boys, Mormaii etc...).
Help mongers are not cheap, if they were they wouldn't be hanging out at Help they would be at Balcony today.
When Help closes they will follow the pink and buy the red bulls and whiskies.
Following up on what I mentioned earlier, the veterans on this site should think about creating an even bigger club than Help.
I know that launching such an business, especially by non-Brazilians, is a tremendous undertaking. But the people on this board have expertise and connections throughout Brazilian society.
You also have something that entrepreneurs not affiliated with ISG would kill for: access to countless mongers. A club backed by the leading figures of ISG could draw a huge following among mongers. And where mongers (ie, dollars) go, GDPs follow. (And, of course, v-versa, creating a virtuous circle that could forever change Rio's sex scene.)
Anyone ever rent from this woman? Rita Codanda
I'm still looking for a place to stay on my last night 12-30-09 I depart on the 31th late. (News Years) This woman has a nice apt but I'm not sure if It's legit. I'm very disappointed to hear HELP is closing. I have an apt near HELP rented for most of my trip and was looking forward to checking it out.
I have a few friends that rent from Rita, and they are very happy with her.
Chris H
Poucolouco
11-02-09, 01:43
Tramontina steel doesn't need to be shit. Tramontina have a wide range. They have the cheap stuff that you can buy at Lojas Americanas and then you have their high end stuff made of top quality.
The high end stuff is harder to find, but there are a couple of shops in Rio specialized in this. It's not cheap, but it's worth every centavo.
When it comes to clothes made in Brazil you'll get what you pay for. There are lots of cheap low quality clothes, but at least when it comes to beach wear you can find good quality (Bad Boys, Mormaii etc...).
You're right, Tramontina steel doesn't need to be shit. Their tools are. I have purchased Pro Line at Amoeda as well as specialized lojas feramentas in Centro. I have had screwdriver blades twist and combination wrenches break. I gave up on Brasilian tools and brought Craftsman tools from the U.S.
I think Bad Boy is actually a U.S. company.
Tramontina steel doesn't need to be shit. Tramontina have a wide range. They have the cheap stuff that you can buy at Lojas Americanas and then you have their high end stuff made of top quality.
The high end stuff is harder to find, but there are a couple of shops in Rio specialized in this. It's not cheap, but it's worth every centavo.
Substitute the words Brasilian women, VM and Barbarellas in the appropriate places.
What is beyond me is that no one here seems to realize that there's in Sao Paulo the greatest pick-up disco on the planet in the history of mankind, bar none : Love Story.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=843647&postcount=89
It's not in Rio. SP, Rio; Oakland, SF; same same but different as they say in Thailand.
World Cup and the Olympics in the coming decade. There will be a big tourist boom.
You don't think seriously that Brazil will suffer economically because of the loss of some mongers who will boycott Brazil as a destination, because of Help closing?
Closing Help doesn't mean the end of mongering in Rio. Help had it coming, as their 25 year lease was up. They might close a couple of termas temporary as well, as a political show, but there will always be a wast supply of GP-services in Rio. No worries!
The girls, taxis and hotels will suffer tiny bit economically but I'm sure things like the discovery of the biggest off-shore oil field in the world will make up for it ;-)
Sperto I'm not suggesting closing Help alone is going to meant that, but it is a powerful signal that times are changing in Rio and that our discussion on this forum might radically change in the next few years if the authorities continuing shutting down venues.
I'm very curious what the scene is like these days in Help now that it is closing for real, what are the girls saying about it? What is the mood like from the non-tourists around the club.
Something funny is folks who do not keep up with the news who visit Rio only once in a while will probably keep showing up at the area where Help is. They will sure be disappointed that it's no longer in business. I bet this will happen for years!
Mr Enternational
11-02-09, 04:49
Following up on what I mentioned earlier, the veterans on this site should think about creating an even bigger club than Help.
I know that launching such an business, especially by non-Brazilians, is a tremendous undertaking. But the people on this board have expertise and connections throughout Brazilian society.
You also have something that entrepreneurs not affiliated with ISG would kill for: access to countless mongers. A club backed by the leading figures of ISG could draw a huge following among mongers. And where mongers (ie, dollars) go, GDPs follow. (And, of course, v-versa, creating a virtuous circle that could forever change Rio's sex scene.) A brother has big dreams. That place is sure to open in the a.m. and be shut down by noon. You know if they will not allow a Brazilian to keep a club as such then the chance of a foreigner being able to do it is nil.
I have never been there but heard about it, sounds like a sports bar but I think you have the right idea.
My money is on Bunker in Copacabana, its a large club, close to Help but out of the way. It's big enough and neatly tucked away enough not to attract attention like Help does today. Don't forget Help at one time was one of the biggest clubs in South America untill Via Show came along so it needs a club of good size to replace it.
Bunker is gone, it is now a Loja Americana.
A brother has big dreams. That place is sure to open in the a.m. and be shut down by noon. You know if they will not allow a Brazilian to keep a club as such then the chance of a foreigner being able to do it is nil.
It would certainly be to the venture's benefit to include the participation of well-connected Brazilians.
I think Bad Boy is actually a U.S. company.
I always took for granted that Bad Boy was a brazilian brand, because it says "Indústria brasileira" on the labels. Licensed made?
Substitute the words Brasilian women, VM and Barbarellas in the appropriate places.
You mean "you'll get what you pay for" goes for GPs as well. If so I disagree. There are many cheap VM and Centro-GPs that will give a much better session than an expensive R$ 300 Help girl.
I can think of a couple of places in Copa that could serve as a new Help.
Mariuzinn, the club down on NS Copacabana 435 (R Paula Freitas).
Maybe they could rent the Clube Israelita Brasileiro, Rua Barata Ribeiro 489. This club already holds big forró parties.
JohnnyBraz
11-02-09, 09:55
Seems you don't get my point. And seems that trying to explain it would be like trying to explain quantic physics to my dog. :rolleyes:This thread is "Rio de janeiro reports". But that dosen't matter to you, since you constantly bore us with your fss bullshit on the brazilian forum.
Jamaicanceo
11-02-09, 14:13
Monte Carlo visit was the worst night of any past visits. Session with a morena who complained and tried to get out of ass fucking. Did so anyway after she turned up the music to abate her loud noises. She took a break and pissed in the trash can. From there I got BBBJ and cum in her mouth.
Avoid her. I can't remember her name, but she is dark with braces. But she has a fat ass. If you get her to ass fuck her, then just grabb bother shoulds from behind and pound like I did. She had to keep the promise.
Went to Help, and past to nights had nothing but bottom-feeders. I spoke with and old guy name PePe through a black jacket english speaking head waiter. He is suppose to be an owner. He remembers me wen I gave him a business card last year.
I asked about Help closing, and both shrug their shoulders with smile and the old man said in broken english, "many years and still here.
Help, for some is Rio's number 1 issue. I just eat at the restaurant and don't give a shit about the inside.
Products manufactured in Brasil for the Brasil markets are notoriously inferior quality. Clothing is made of inferior fabric and seams are not well stitched, fabric panels are not matched on patterns nor weave. Brasilian tee shirts typically have a side seam and the neck hole stretches out of shape as the body shrinks 15 percent. Brasilian towels and bed linens are lightweight with low thread count. Hems unravel after just a few washings. Tramontina steel tools are pure shit and are lower quality than the Chinese used to make. Tramontina’s export stainless is inferior and tends to rust easily. Furniture is poorly manufactured with low quality joinery. Condoms? Bring your own brand.There are those that look at Brazil and see opportunities and those that see the way things were/are.
TBers,
To what extent will the Olympics 2016 stall the sex tourism of Rio?
Tanks Mon
Gfe Finder
11-03-09, 00:00
A brother has big dreams. That place is sure to open in the a.m. and be shut down by noon. You know if they will not allow a Brazilian to keep a club as such then the chance of a foreigner being able to do it is nil.
It would certainly be to the venture's benefit to include the participation of well-connected Brazilians.
Not to nitpick, but isn't Help owned/leased by a Spaniard? (Albeit one who probably paid all the appropriate "license fees" to the natives.)
Exec Talent
11-03-09, 00:04
Monte Carlo visit was the worst night of any past visits. Session with a morena who complained and tried to get out of ass fucking. Did so anyway after she turned up the music to abate her loud noises. She took a break and pissed in the trash can. From there I got BBBJ and cum in her mouth.
Avoid her. I can't remember her name, but she is dark with braces. But she has a fat ass. If you get her to ass fuck her, then just grabb bother shoulds from behind and pound like I did. She had to keep the promise.
Went to Help, and past to nights had nothing but bottom-feeders. I spoke with and old guy name PePe through a black jacket english speaking head waiter. He is suppose to be an owner. He remembers me wen I gave him a business card last year.
I asked about Help closing, and both shrug their shoulders with smile and the old man said in broken english, "many years and still here.
Help, for some is Rio's number 1 issue. I just eat at the restaurant and don't give a shit about the inside.
Maybe we need a separate thread for Neanderthals. I sure hope I am not alone -- but when a woman (any woman) says she does not want something, a man (real man) should not do it or attempt to do it.
I had a situation at MC not that long ago when during the interview process a girl stated emphatically that she loved anal sex. When we get to the room that all changed. I immediately ended the session and went to the manager. Appropriate concessions were made (in fact I was asked what would make me happy) and that girl does not work there anymore.
It was not so much the anal sex as the girl lying to get me to take her to the room. I despise liars which is why I also have such a problem with some of the posters and apartment agencies mentioned here.
Jamaicanceo
11-03-09, 00:49
Maybe we need a separate thread for Neanderthals. I sure hope I am not alone -- but when a woman (any woman) says she does not want something, a man (real man) should not do it or attempt to do it.
I had a situation at MC not that long ago when during the interview process a girl stated emphatically that she loved anal sex. When we get to the room that all changed. I immediately ended the session and went to the manager. Appropriate concessions were made (in fact I was asked what would make me happy) and that girl does not work there anymore.
It was not so much the anal sex as the girl lying to get me to take her to the room. I despise liars which is why I also have such a problem with some of the posters and apartment agencies mentioned here.First of all, I really think the name calling that some people on this board use is idiotic. Second, you do what you do with your money and sessions. I don't give a rats ass about what you think. Third, she said she liked it, gave me a hug and her phone number. Fourth, I will not take a girls livelihood away because I want to please my dick, dick. Lastly, you did not mention anything about her pissing in the trash can. So I guess your standards are not really that high.
Visited HELP for the first time (and it became the last time) two weeks ago, I think it was a Thursday (R30 before 12, R40 after). I drank in the cafe in front a few times and saw most girls in the good light. They all then go to HELP, hoping that the same guys who didn't take them earlier have enough drink and frustration to make a move later on !?
Enough to say I wasn't impressed by the club, the music was terrible and no one was dancing. These are Brazilian girls and where itching to dance but the DJ was carrying on with some crap, boring techno all night, I'm sure some more Latin rhythm would have done wonders.
Girls were not that chatty, as I found in Forta and Rio, even GDPs in Brazil like to be chased and play hard to get !? A few that come to you don't even make it to 5/6 on the scale - normally the ones you don't fancy.
One that I liked finally came around to talk but after 30 seconds of so called dancing in front of me asked for a Red Bull and Vodka. I said after we dance I buy you drink, let's dance now, she said no, buy me the drink now - forget it, I've been hussled before, it's not my first time in a pick up joint.....
Obviously most guys and girls standing around looking at each other ! I congratulate guys for not buying Red Bull and Vodka to talk to a GDP !? I think these girls really had it easy, basically they demand expensive drinks to see how easy you are for later to ask for R500.... (that was the quote the guys were getting and telling me).
At 4am, I brought one down to R150, but then I said BBBJ and she said no, only CBJ. I think she changed her mind and used that as an excuse not to go, she was standing outside when I left and not being that good looking was going home solo for sure. I said goodbye to rub it in and left....
That was enough of HELP for me, I did pull two girls from outside, one was OK, one was not that good. Though I paid my price not theirs, R150, for two sessions with each one (one stayed TLN and came back the next night for another session for R100).
I also went to a club called Mariuzinn (sp?) in NS Copa, Leme end of it (I think they add "y" to the end when they say the name). it was Sat., some nice, normal girls, all young 20-30, but more guys than girls, a lot more, so competition was tough. Again, I still don't know if I can approach a Brazilian girl or not, can't read their come on look - I have mastered this with DR and Thai girls. Left without any result R40 (incl, two crap drinks). Music, techno bore.
I also went to Rio do Scenarium in Lapa (Friday night R25 entry). Many seats for eating, it resembles a museum, loads of antics on the walls and decorations, and a couple of dancing rooms, one live music, groud floor (some Forro at the end), another with DJ, no Samba as I was expecting though. Not many hot girls here, in fact I would say mainly 35-40yrs, quite a few were a bit drunk and many gives you the eye. Again, 2 or 3 times more guys. I waited 25min in the queue, but I was leaving after half hour, when I found a young mulata that was giving me the eye, went and chat and danced with her and her friend a bit, bought some drinks for them (drinks are not that expensive there and they only wanted soft drinks anyway). Then we found a guy for her friend, I did some translating (my porto sucks but that guy couldn't even say hello in porto!?), we ended up taking them back for the night, luckyyyyyyy.
It ended up as a freebie (stayed until morning, though no morning session, as she was so late for work in the morning, we only did one session at night), quite unexpected scenario. She wouldn't even accept a taxi fare in the morning, though I put R20 in her pocket anyway (I also contributed R20 on club exit for her entry). So it didn't turn out too bad after all. I was leaving the next day so didn't get to see her again, shame, could have had a lot of fun.
I think knowing where to go in Rio is important, or else you waste a lot of time as a newbie (I mean clubs, the termas and mp are well documented here). Though it won't be easy finding your favourite spot, trial and error...
I report on termas later...
monte carlo visit was the worst night of any past visits. session with a morena who complained and tried to get out of ass fucking. did so anyway after she turned up the music to abate her loud noises. she took a break and pissed in the trash can. from there i got bbbj and cum in her mouth.
avoid her. i can't remember her name, but she is dark with braces. but she has a fat ass. if you get her to ass fuck her, then just grabb bother shoulds from behind and pound like i did. she had to keep the promise.so she changed her mind and you ass-raped her instead of being civil and going to the management to discuss. i bet you don't have any sisters.
maybe we need a separate thread for neanderthals.....
et, i found your post most offensive. the neanderthals were quite highly evolved and in fact had brains as large as ours. how dare you insult them by comparing them to jamaicanceo? i think he might more appropriately be compared to australopithecus. :(
btw, jamaicanceo, there is a word for forcing a woman to perform a sexual act against her will. it's called [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). :mad:
Member #3439
11-03-09, 06:12
I had a situation at MC not that long ago when during the interview process a girl stated emphatically that she loved anal sex. When we get to the room that all changed. I immediately ended the session and went to the manager. Appropriate concessions were made (in fact I was asked what would make me happy) and that girl does not work there anymore.It's even better to avoid the conflict and ask the girl to see her sex kit before you agree to session. If she doesn't have a tube of lidocaine cream in her kit, she probably is not going to do anal. All the anal princesses seem to have it and, in Brasil, it always seems to be the same brand!
I think we're getting the big picture. If the session is not good, stop and go to management. You are paying well and should be treated well. Secondly, we shouldn't patronize Monte Carlo. I've had my share of termas girls, and none of them were crude enough to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in a trash can.
Jamaicanceo
11-03-09, 07:59
so she changed her mind and you ass-raped her instead of being civil and going to the management to discuss. i bet you don't have any sisters.yep! if that's what you want to label it. and i don't care about your opinion.
Jamaicanceo
11-03-09, 08:00
et, i found your post most offensive. the neanderthals were quite highly evolved and in fact had brains as large as ours. how dare you insult them by comparing them to jamaicanceo? i think he might more appropriately be compared to australopithecus. :(
btw, jamaicanceo, there is a word for forcing a woman to perform a sexual act against her will. it's called [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). :mad:yep! if that's what you want to label it. and i don't care about your opinion.
so she changed her mind and you ass-raped her instead of being civil and going to the management to discuss. i bet you don't have any sisters.
any daughters or cousins too...
Devilspinkick
11-03-09, 10:55
btw, jamaicanceo, there is a word for forcing a woman to perform a sexual act against her will. it's called [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). :mad:
not to defend the jamaican, but it seems that the lady agreed to anal and then didn't want to perform when they got in the room. she basically broke the contract they had agreed on - not cool. obviusly it would have been better to have simply complained to the management instead, especially since i have found the new management to very helpful as of late. neanderthal? who knows. lack of tact and respect. surely.
i personally find the act of anal sex to be way over-rated anyway. most women don't like it (including brasileiras), it's nasty, and can be messy & smelly.
besides, nothing could be finer than being in vagina.
"o tempora, o mores"
- dsk
obviously she broke the deal, but the point is that i guess she has the chance to do it, only regarding anal, if she get much pain, as she cannot know in advance, maybe the customer has very big dick or too rude or something else.
why she should resist on pain on anal sex ? until she starts to bleed ?
do we forgot we speak about human being ?!?
i really love anal sex, but never did if one said it was painful.
she broke the deal, so make the manager knows it and 99% you get another girl for free.....why to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) her ?
imho.
Jamaicanceo
11-03-09, 13:39
et, i found your post most offensive. the neanderthals were quite highly evolved and in fact had brains as large as ours. how dare you insult them by comparing them to jamaicanceo? i think he might more appropriately be compared to australopithecus. :(
btw, jamaicanceo, there is a word for forcing a woman to perform a sexual act against her will. it's called [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). :mad:there are two types of mongers on this forum. there are those who monger in rio, and those who live off others mongering. you keyboard mongers type about help as if it's the church, then you over-react and call a mongering session [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). pathetic! :-) keep reading isg and masturbating. don't get vaseline stuck between the key of your keyboards.
I personally find the act of anal sex to be way over-rated anyway. Most women don't like it (including Brasileiras), it's nasty, and can be messy & smelly.
Besides, nothing could be finer than being in vagina.
"O tempora, O mores"
- DSK
I have to AGREE with you 100%.
not to defend the jamaican, but it seems that the lady agreed to anal and then didn't want to perform when they got in the room. she basically broke the contract they had agreed on - not cool. obviusly it would have been better to have simply complained to the management instead, especially since i have found the new management to very helpful as of late. neanderthal? who knows. lack of tact and respect. surely.
i personally find the act of anal sex to be way over-rated anyway. most women don't like it (including brasileiras), it's nasty, and can be messy & smelly.
besides, nothing could be finer than being in vagina.
"o tempora, o mores"
- dskso, you have no problem condoning ass-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) as well? to you it is simply a "lack of tact and rspect." no, it simply would have not been better to complain to management - it was the only right thing to do in this instance. yeah, these ladies are professional gdps - but they are human beings first and foremost. no means no. and yes the management at mc is very accomodating.
i was at balcony tonight. my girl and i pulled another girl out of there who was an absolute sweetheart, beautiful with perfrect carmel colored skin. we had two cairpirinhas, three chopees -- total including tip r$43. i have no idea what a red bull and whiskey might cost.
i was there last december. new ownership? they also make tastefull hamburgers and filet mignon sandwiches now. also live music by a singer in the evening at that time.
watch your bill tho. a couple of guys tend to overcharge. always ask to see the bill before paying.
καλή τύχη.
Thank you Sir!
FLRoadWarrior
11-03-09, 18:59
I was there last December. New ownership? They also make tastefull hamburgers and filet mignon sandwiches now. Also live music by a singer in the evening at that time.
Watch your bill tho. A couple of guys tend to overcharge. Always ask to see the bill before paying.A friend of mine name David from NY now owns the Balcany. He has made major improvments on the food and service. Try the pizza. He also owns RioApartmentrental.com. He is a good guy. We have rented from him for years. As anywhere always check your tab before you pay.
there are two types of mongers on this forum. there are those who monger in rio, and those who live off others mongering. you keyboard mongers type about help as if it's the church, then you over-react and call a mongering session [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). pathetic! :-) keep reading isg and masturbating. don't get vaseline stuck between the key of your keyboards.just to be clear: i did not call your mongering session "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)". i'll called you forcibly ass-f'ing a gdp against her wishes "ass-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)".
yep! if that's what you want to label it. and i don't care about your opinion.jamaicanceo,
so you are admitting to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) here?
[QUOTE=Uzinuzin]
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Thanks for the report mate. I'll be in Rio over carnival and have no idea what to expect. I'm an avid clubber and like to party and mingle with some local chicas till I bump into a non-pro or semi-pro.
I have totally no idea what to expect during these wild carnival nights, neither knowing where to go in terms of clubbing. Based on your review, I don't think Help would be my kind of place. Could be different over carnival ?
I was browsing this fantastic forum but could'nt find the related information so far.
I'm traveling solo, so safety would matters. Anyone can get me some info where to go after midnight during carnival ? I don't mind to pay entrance fee but don't want to break my bank neither.
Oh yes, I'll be heading to Buzios for a couple more nights too on feb 17. Any similar recommondations are welcome too.
Thanks brothers !
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