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Exec Talent
01-14-10, 01:17
I so wish we could just call spades spades and wh0res wh0res . . .
Why can't we go for one month without someone starting this crap? It is like bad sushi or Macunaima, something you just don't want to see again.
Back now, good two girls recognized me, one from last year in march, very nice talking with them, no sex cause I arrived this morning after 22 hours of travelling, tired but also, was pretty slow at 4x4, first time I saw it ! At 21h you could walk easily everywhere, first sign of crisi ? Cause usually on monday it is full crowded.
However entrance,1 beer, 1 coca cola, red bull vodka, 98 reais !!! 38 euro, too much for kill the time.
Yep cicciolina is on princessa isabel.
At solarium, not hard to make us swear with so hot weather LOL
Cicciolina and prado junior clubs have girls that leaves about 4am, but honestly I will not save 30 reais to wait her, that maybe she never show up and from all the girls I got from there, about 10, only one stayed untill noon, usually they go home about 5 or 6am with the same old excuses....
Rock Harders
01-14-10, 10:15
Mongers-
Frank's American Bar, located on Avenida Princesa Isabela, has been out of business since at least early November 2009. I was in Rio in mid-October and stopped into Frank's, it was dead inside, but at least open. Upon my return to Rio the first week of November the place was out of business, and was still out of business when I was in Rio last week. There was an early 20's smoking hot stunner named Simone working in there, from Mato Grosso with an absolutely stunning body and a large tattoo around her waist (which I normally despise, but this girl was the exception). I saw her in there two or three times over the past six months but never got to fuck her and maybe now never will. I used to like Frank's because the drink prices were reasonable and I would bring my first-time visiting buddies to the live sex show they had. Another one bites the dust.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
As reported, Balcony now is so packed you have to come here to see with your eyes to believe it !!!
I guess you have to come at 18h to find a chair free, it is very chaotic, too much people walking and stand up qround balcony and most of them....look and watch each other, yes they spoke and too, but the feeling is that now they are as waiting for something-somebody where in Help they were there to have fun.
Another difference is the price, it really seems 150 reais is a standard, but.... where on Help was quite easy to get overnight, I have now the feeling it is just suck and fuck, as many girls went away with gringo and after short time came back alone again. They try to get the same money as before getting 2 or 3 men in the same night, so I guess the service is not that good then....
Let's say you have almost the same girls of help at balcony,but obviously nobody dance and it was nice to see girls dance at help, you cannot sit down as in TA or as outside help upstairs, so personally I got tired very soon.
I also see from faces of girls, they look like almost angry, it is obvious they work way much less than in help, for example in help many got easily drunk from drinks paid by gringos, but at balcony most of girls stand up, walk and no drink at all. So think same girls but with no alcol, not much fun.
At help there was also music, good or bad, but contributed to make the place feel alive, at balcony now you are right in front of the street.
I went to cicciolina, 30 reais entrance for 2 drinks, nothing good, but.....you see many girls get inside, often the same of balcony, stay there for 5-10 minutes and leave. the feeling now is really the same as at balcony, 2-3 questions, then take her or she leaves, almost no conversation, not chance to spot if she is cold fish or not.
Barbarella: very hight ration women man, but only sort of 20-30% left with gringo. 60 reais entrance and.....listen, girls ask 5-600 reais, yep the same price as before, but when i asked for how much time, one told me that she does not look to the time, so i asked, it means what ? Oh, if we have nice time even 1,5 hour or 2.....cause normal 5-600 hour is for one hour ? LOOOOL
Also some girl of balcony walk on avenida atlantica, stops, try to work as streetwalker, stop cars and so on, then the move or back again to balcony.
What is very funny for me is, that with help you had TA and Help with hookers, but from the streets look normal place.
Now you have huge crowd around balcony and tons of streetwalkers all around the streets there, so for a normal carioca person it looks much worst now, as prostitute and mongers are not closed inside one place, but everywhere, the feeling now prado junior + balcony turned into a red light district, so my qyestion is.....they wanted to clean up help, now even from monger point of view it looks worst, and less practical too, what the next step ?
Close balcony and the streets around it ? LOL
What time can the girls leave Cicciolina? How about Franks? I am not to keen on paying the exit fee for the girls, especialy, if she is got going to spend the entire night!!
Isn´t it about 4am? I usually sit in Nog and watch them leave. But although I´ve sessioned with one or two girls from Ciccy´s, I´ve always pulled them on their nights off when they´re drinking and socialising elsewhere. When they were dressed up for a night at Ciccy´s they didn´t want to walk out and be seen going home with me at my prices!
Why can't we go for one month without someone starting this crap? It is like bad sushi or Macunaima, something you just don't want to see again.
Sheet you´re feeling a bit touchy today aren´t you ET? Bad chica last night? ;) And seeing he´s getting a repeated toasting from you, I might add I thought Macunaima offered a lot of genuine local info in the early days. Chill out man. Or is there anybody else you want to have a go at? :rolleyes: ;)
And at least Luka and myself are posting reports - feel free to join in. You might even enjoy yourself and let us benefit from your expert knowledge without that big chip on your shoulder! :)
Let's say you have almost the same girls of help at balcony,but obviously nobody dance and it was nice to see girls dance at help, you cannot sit down as in TA or as outside help upstairs.
What did you think of Dolce Vita next door Luca? I wonder if they charge entrance at the weekend.
Another difference is the price, it really seems 150 reais is a standard, but.... where on Help was quite easy to get overnight, I have now the feeling it is just suck and fuck, as many girls went away with gringo and after short time came back alone again. They try to get the same money as before getting 2 or 3 men in the same night, so I guess the service is not that good then....
I suppose it was a hassle for them to pay the entrance fee again at Help. ;) But I think it was always the scene at Balcony that some girls would try to do a short time and go back to look for more business. To me, the highlight of Copa is getting a good overnight. They seem more likely to do this late on IMHO. The girl I got on Tuesday spent a lot of time with me before we went back and I was quite clear that it was for long time and sleep over. I´ll try to ask some longterm chica friends what they think the general scene is, though I´m sure it varies a lot according to the girl - they´re all freelance after all!
This is the part of town where I stay when I´m in Copa and I love every dirty muckhole of it. Just coming back from shopping though and for anyone else this end of town, if you are fed up with grubby Copa supermarkets and overpriced food, do try the Leme supermarket, 100yds past Isabel. Western-style hygeine and an attractive in-store lunch (pizza, pasta etc) for around 10R or less.
Exec Talent
01-14-10, 17:19
Sheet you´re feeling a bit touchy today aren´t you ET? Bad chica last night? ;) And seeing he´s getting a repeated toasting from you, I might add I thought Macunaima offered a lot of genuine local info in the early days. Chill out man. Or is there anybody else you want to have a go at? :rolleyes: ;)
And at least Luka and myself are posting reports - feel free to join in. You might even enjoy yourself and let us benefit from your expert knowledge without that big chip on your shoulder! :)
There is a lot of misinformation not information. The fact that you think Macunaima ever had or has anything to offer says a lot. As for my love life, you could only wish.
There is a lot of misinformation not information. The fact that you think Macunaima ever had or has anything to offer says a lot. As for my love life, you could only wish.
Whatever ET. You are going to tell us about what . . . (scans back) oh yes, the ice at TA. You have plenty to offer. It was a good point you made about indies vs agencies (applies to a lot of countries too.) Quit venting your spleen man. Put in an occasional field report.
Now you have huge crowd around balcony and tons of streetwalkers all around the streets there, so for a normal carioca person it looks much worst now, as prostitute and mongers are not closed inside one place, but everywhere, the feeling now prado junior + balcony turned into a red light district, so my qyestion is.....they wanted to clean up help, now even from monger point of view it looks worst, and less practical too, what the next step ?
Close balcony and the streets around it ? LOLYou answered your own question
What did you think of Dolce Vita next door Luca? I wonder if they charge entrance at the weekend.
Oi Chris, I went there inside in september when already changed into boite,it was normal disco, right ?However very dark there upstairs and nothing nice.
Yesterday at balcony i saw many girls go inside and then come out and join balcony again. It should be something as little charge with some drinks,but not much reason to go there as you wait a while and you have the same girls come out and you can talk to them with no entrance fee :D
...100yds past Isabel. Western-style hygeine and an attractive in-store lunch (pizza, pasta etc) for around 10R or less.
Never been there, you made me curious, I am going to check it ;)
As reported, Balcony now is so packed you have to come here to see with your eyes to believe it !!!
Now you have huge crowd around balcony and tons of streetwalkers all around the streets there, so for a normal carioca person it looks much worst now, as prostitute and mongers are not closed inside one place, but everywhere, the feeling now prado junior + balcony turned into a red light district, so my qyestion is.....they wanted to clean up help, now even from monger point of view it looks worst, and less practical too, what the next step ?
Close balcony and the streets around it ? LOL
Thanks for the great description of the current scene. Looks like Prado Junior is becoming alive again just like in the 80's.
Dolce Vita? Is this that club that is upstairs right next to Balcony? It used to be Holiday club? Interesting what goes around comes around.
I'll be in Rio in a few weeks to check the scene out for myself but thanks for the heads up.
Thanks for the great description of the current scene. Looks like Prado Junior is becoming alive again just like in the 80's...
Your welcome ;), I am happy to contribute if I can, it is nice when you are at home to have an update of the news here, at least for me.
I am just a 3 timer to Rio, so I have no idea how it used to be, but I liked from the first time this red-light district, I have no idea how to call it.
Right about Dolce vita and I think that despite Barbarella, where yesterday the girl told me she has to paid 60 reais to get into, all the other boites have no entrance for the girls, cause otherwise I cannot explain why girls go inside and outside in such a sort time.
Strange that the owner of Dolce Vita does not realize that if one stand in front of it and see how it works, he will never go to pay to get into,as it is enough to wait to see even a nice girl get soon out.
Oh I forgot even Senso has girls stuck there for all the time, entrance 50 reais and show inside. ( yesterday for all the time a group danced samba in Barbarella ).
Btw Christopherd I went after princessa isabel, so the beginning of leme, but where is exactly the part with nice shop and market ? Please give me couple of streets to get easier and faster there.
However not far from pincessa isabel, avenida atlantica 880 there is Spaghetteria, great supermarket with the best quality food and higher level of hygiene I saw here. They also make pizza and if my nose does not lie me, it should taste very good.
I guess you have to come at 18h to find a chair free, it is very chaotic, too much people walking and stand up qround balcony and most of them....look and watch each other, yes they spoke and too, but the feeling is that now they are as waiting for something-somebody where in Help they were there to have fun.
Excellant description, best I have read to explain the scene. Instead of being there to have a good time, they are there to see and be seen. Completely different vibe than help!! THX Lukasek!!
SlimHoleDrill
01-14-10, 23:18
Do we have any news from Centaurus or Monte Carlo, prices and girls?
A couple of months ago Centaurus went up to 450 and they asked for it up front after waving in some loud mouthed gringos. All of these things offended me since I have known this place for many years. I left and won't go there as long as there is such a price difference. I don't expect them to come down.
MC also has gone up. It is now 70 + 70 + 170 which is R310! As far as the talent, I would say mixed. Definitely some stunners but a lot of huge bundas. And I mean HUGE.. To each his own. that's just not my thing. If one can't find something they like there, I an sorry for them.
Btw Christopherd I went after princessa isabel, so the beginning of leme, but where is exactly the part with nice shop and market ? Please give me couple of streets to get easier and faster there.
However not far from pincessa isabel, avenida atlantica 880 there is Spaghetteria, great supermarket with the best quality food and higher level of hygiene I saw here. They also make pizza and if my nose does not lie me, it should taste very good.
Hiya Lukasek - sounds like you found the hygeinic supermarket that sells quite nice pizza. There´s one entrance on Atlantica and another on Gustavo Sampaio. I like shopping there for treats for my fridge! Lots of nice sit-down restaurants in both streets round there, but the supermarket restaurant is nice and quick and inexpensive and the food always looks tasty.
Regarding a market - I was mentioning Saara market in a previous post - maybe the two got mixed up a bit? Saara market is in Centro, not Copa or Leme. It is quite a fun place, but a place to get the cheapest of everything mostly, rather than quality. Someone else was asking about it and I´m wondering the best way to describe where it is. You get off at Uruguiana station and head in the opposite direction to 4x4 and BA85 (west, if you are looking on a map). So behind the station, parallel to Pres.Vargas. It can be a fun place to meander cos everything is there and very cheap, and also lots of cheap (1R) termas nearby. The main east-west streets are Buenos Aires and Alfandega (further west, opposite direction to Rio Branco). Then you can take a left down Goncalves Ledo, Conceicao, or Ave. Passos towards Tiradentes Square (which has some very grubby sex places but also Carioca59 and the marginally cleaner Casarao) or you can walk a bit further to Lapa on the south of Centro or take the tram up the hills for a nice afternoon out.
The nicer way to VM
I´ve kind of advocated this route for a few years, but it struck me today that, with increased Metro traffic from Ipanema, it might be even more attractive. So here´s some directions for those interested.
A big advantage is you don´t have to change Metro lines. This is especially nice if you go in rush hour (the time I personally use the Metro to get to VM). You just play sardines on a carriage, squashed between everyone else, and don´t have to move till you get off at Afonso Pena.
The next big advantage is that Afonso Pena to Praca da Bandeira is a very nice walk. I don´t think anyone would say Cristovao to Bandeira is nice - just straightforward. But Afonso Pena is easy when you have done it once and takes roughly the same time. Plus there are many nice upmarket bars and restaurants on the route.
Here´s how -
Stay on the train all the way from Copa or Ipanema till it gets to Afonso Pena. It´s the third stop after Central. Or the fifth one after Uruguiana. When you get off, turn right and take the PRACA exit. You come out onto the square. Cross to the (diagonally) opposite corner of the square and keep going along the main road (Campos Sales). You´ll see a big building on your right marked America FC, so you know you have come off the correct corner of the square.
At the end of Campos Sales you´ll see Trigus Restaurant facing you at the T-junction. Turn right - it is signposted Maracana/Cristovao/Centro. Follow this street (Mariz e Barros) till it comes out onto Praca da Bandeira.
(Once you know the area, you can take a slight short cut along Goncalves Crespo, but I thought I´d give the simple route first.)
Pr.Bandeira
If you have been to VM already, you are probably familiar with this bit. I´ll include it here partly for newbies and partly cos the appearance has changed quite a lot recently.
Praca da Bandeira is a big concourse to the west of Presidente Vargas. Mimosa is directly north of it by a hundred yards or so. If you are looking on a map, find Vargas, the big east-west street that crosses Rio Branco in Centro, and run your finger to the left. Just past the end of Vargas (and just after a spaghetti junction) is Praca da Bandeira. And also an inverted triangle above the main thoroughfare. This is where Mimosa lies.
If you arrive by road or from Cristovao station, you are probably already on the north side of Bandeira. If not (for instance, if you came via Afonsa Pena), just cross by the footbridge which spans the many lanes of fast traffic. This footbridge used to be blue but is now just white. As you cross, if it is dark, glance to your right and you may see a huge bridge floodlit in impressive colours not far off. The area is not dangerous as such, just keep yourself to yourself. There are many working class families about.
On the north (Mimosa) side of Praca da Bandeira, there is now an enormous long white railway bridge that looks like some superhighway from the Restaurant at the end of the Universe. This makes the area almost unrecognisable from the mess it was before. Go under the new bridge and over a foul-smelling river, and under the other adjacent steel bridges. Follow the street (Rua Ceara) past the bikers and just past the bend in the road. Turn right onto Sotero dos Reis. If you cross the railway level crossing you have gone too far. VM is the little village of bars half way along.
For the sake of completeness after my last post (and those who like vicarious descriptions) here´s some VM details. I usually go late - around 11pm. There´s many buses. But during rush hour, the bus takes too long. So today (some time after 5pm) I get the Metro. And walking through the nice middle-class area of Afonso Pena (east Tijuca) to Mimosa almost makes me feel too posh to get down and dirty in the muck-stained sheets. So I try to check out Caligula Whisky Club, a mid-price terma, just before Bandeira (there´s also a terma just as you get to Mimosa, but I´m not keen on it). Caligula Whisky Club is shut however (6pm-ish, Thur - for anyone who feels like checking it out). It´s on Pereira de Almeida. Take Rua Matoso from the south side of Praca Bandeira then, at the next junction, take the left fork straight ahead which is Pereira de Almeida. The Whisky Club is No.73 and on the right hand side. I´d expect to pay about 100R but can´t recall a field report recently so maybe someone will visit and let us know the up to date info.
I got to Mimosa just before dark. Unlike earlier in the week, it´s already in party mode, though a lot of the best girls won´t be out till much later. I have a few drinks and gently knock back a couple of girls I´ve seen before. One looks much better in daylight and the other a bit more of a schemer - strange what the light does!
I´m looking at the clouds and thinking VM is not a good place to be when it rains. But it seems a waste not to do something. I pick a 20yr old girl called Camilla from the right hand of the U-Bend, second casa.* She´s very petite, dances a nice butt-dance and does the cutesey come-on to me every time I go past. Decent performance in the room if not outstanding. She doesn´t rush. Her clit swells to the size of an uncracked walnut but I don´t sense she´s going to come. Her breasts are a little loose for her age and I guess she´s not nulliparous though I don´t ask. Her party piece is doggy, when she shakes her butt the way she did when dancing - rather nice. I crack off a couple of photos and show her. She has a very slight whitish discharge and I reassure her this is normal (which it usually is, especially when there´s no smell, which there isn´t). She´s worked in VM for 3 months she says. Affectionate leave taking and I take another glance at the sky and dark looking clouds. The alleys of Mimosa soon get waterlogged and many of the roofs leak. And I think it tends to smell worse in the wet.
I get back to Bandeira but have a sudden urge for fried chicken. Of all the restaurant bars here, I´ve only ever been to one that´s tried to take the p*ss. (For the record, I never try to ´pass myself off as Brasilian,´ just a sincere gringo who is patriotic and respectful of the country he is visiting.) Mostly they are good working class joints and give a very warm welcome - as is the case tonight. Half a chicken and manioc for 6R and a nice crowd. Say g´bye and jump on a Copa bus.
Since you have to know exactly when to get off, there is good excuse for not getting a bus to Mimosa until you know the stop. But it is sheer decadence IMHO to get anything but the bus back. The bus comes from the left as you stand on the south side of Praca da Bandeira (at the taxi rank) and is clearly marked Copacabana, so you just have to hail it. If you are going back in the early hours (say 3am), or Sunday, they are less frequent. But choose a taxi with care - many of these cars are falling to bits. If you can specify which way you want to go home, so much the better (eg Lagoa is a stupidly long way round if you are at the Isabel end of Copa).
You might think I´ve typed this report out of the goodness of my heart, but the rain has come down and gone again while I´m in the internet cafe lol ;)
Finally, for those who have not yet tried VM - it´s a love it or hate it. Just in terms of bang for your buck, maybe BA85 is better value in many ways just now. Just different.
Enjoy. :)
(Added the folowing Friday) :this week, probably the best looking (physically) girl out of, VM, Balcony, Dolce Vita, BA85 and Centro, and Ciccolina was probably a blonde at this casa. Her attitude was glassy so I didn´t bother, but might be fun once one can elicit a reaction lol
Devilspinkick
01-15-10, 08:32
Thanks for the good info on Mimosa. I generally stick with nicer Termas and clubs (minus Centaurus). Your description of Mimosa sort of reminds me of Lapa - an interesting area itself.
I get back to Rio soon and I may stroll through that area just out of curiosity. At the very least to explore Afonso Pena. That's if I can tear myself away from the academias, Ipanema, & Barra da Tijuca .... I reckon the weather should be great for soaking up some rays.
"O tempora, O mores"
- DSK
...Instead of being there to have a good time, they are there to see and be seen. Completely different vibe than help!...
Bravo,
thanks you too, exactly, my school english sucks lol, but the important thing, we understand ;)
...sounds like you found the hygeinic supermarket that sells quite nice pizza....but the supermarket restaurant is nice and quick and inexpensive and the food always looks tasty...Regarding a market - I was mentioning Saara market in a previous post - maybe the two got mixed up a bit?...
Chris,
yes, spaghetti has two entrance, but even if good quality stuff, ( about pasta, they have "de Cecco", a bit less famous than Barilla, but much better taste imho) price are not very cheap ( pesto alla genovese about 4 euro when in Italy you get for about 2 ), but no doubt the best I saw here.
(yep,mixed a bit)
Once upon the time.... there was a good restaurant in the city, it HELPed many to get great time, you could love it or hate it, but it was almost the only place open after midnight. It was good cause even if you did not want to eat ( DATY ;) ) you could go there, drink and talking and meet with friends, a place where a turist feel quite safe, a large place, so it was a point of meeting with somebody you met during the day, sooner or later almost everybody along the night went there at least to see the scene.
Now it is over and the others main places are totally different.
Balcony is a sort of take away, not much conversation, forget to see terma girls show up there as it was in Help, forget to have fun and to see girls dancing, forget to feel confortable as you stand up in 99% of time, forget or work hard to get a girl overnight too. And be aware that the young children that in fron of Help bothered you only when you got out of taxi, now they will ask you money all the time as they are around you, cause you are outside in fron of avenida atlantica, where everybody can be there....no dress code to be in the street LOL.
Even "better" is like yesterday when it rains all the time, with only 20-30% less people they are yet way too much, hold umbrella or you will pay more attention to find a place where not get wet as pussy than to hunt girls.....
Girls....yes, the feeling yesterday was to swim between sharks, but to swim in a very little pool, ugly sharks hungry of money they earn harder than in Help, so they are much more into "business attitude".....one example ?
Two little thin white skin girls they are all the time together, I banged one in january 2009, in september in Help they just say me hello, yesterday when they noticed me, immediately they came to me with 2 big smiles.....Hi ! How are you ? Long time we did not see you ! ( BS last time 4 months ago ) ! Do you want to have party with 2 girls for 300 reais ? Well, I arrived now, let's see ! They left and hit another one gringo. One minute conversation.
Nobody, obviously pay entrance, so it is a bit cheaper, but on the other side they do not have to stay there all the time, so they move up and down avenida atlantica, thinking wrong keep on moving 100 metrs up and down the streets will help them to find one customer.
Some directly get out of dolce vita and become SW trying to approach the cars, other go for boites and are back in half hour. Ok none asked me to buy drinks, ( the only better thing than Help ), but I got tons of unwanted hug, hand touching, 1 minute conversation, eye contacts....everything but not fun as in Help.
I report what I saw cause it helps you to understand better. 3 men arrived, one noticed one nice girl, the other 2 said bring her, he said I wait, one of the other two said, hey it is only 150 reais why you wait, why how,where,when ? He did not take her !
Yes it is 150 reais only, but me and not only me, are not in mood to take one to hotel, strange as so cheap and men are still thinking if it worth it, why ?
Cause you really get the feeling of very cold sex session....and it was raining....so at least girls should be get wet at least before the session if not during it...
Also I noticed a bit too much totally drunk men there, all seem to speak loud even if music is not loud at all, they are couple of cops, so you feel enough safe, probably now all prado junior with so much turists is even safer than before help closed....
However let's say something....from a POV of carioca 50 years old with family, it was much better all GdP and mongers closed in one place,Help, instead to this "show" outside....so they resolve nothing if they wanted to clean the sex scene in copa !
Oh yeah, Prado Junior....here my reports.
Barbarella at midnight was totally crowded, full of men sit down with bottles of whisky and wine on the table....I thought are they all millionairs, am I the only one I care where I spend money or what else ? But when I saw twice that the waiter bring the bill and in one table the men almost argue between themselfs and in the second one the waiter light on the bill and explain the bill....I realized they are not aware of the prices there....
It is the place with higher % of Help girl, the best ones, that they think of themself too high class to stay at Balcony, few of them arrived by taxi, paid the 60 reais and get into with the hope written in her eyes to get one customer.
There is a show in Barbarella I seem to be the only one I care.
You cannot smoke inside, so all the time I was outside smoking I saw that every 4-5men one left with one girl.....5-600 reais for one girl, I do not think I will go there again, even if the girls are nice.
Erotika wins the award for the coldest place, good place to get sick, 30 reais for 2 drinks and the only decent girl was talking with 2 other girls care nothing about horny men there.
Senso is a totally rip off, 50 reais for ugly shark, sad atmosphere, I drunk one coca cola and I left.
Pussycat is great place, cause you can go into to see girls without have to pay, so you need, at least me yesterday, 20 seconds to go into and out....
Niko's is shitty place, 15 reais for one drink, but ugly girls and if you want to talk with one, it is 40 reais for lady drink. Be aware they are smart, they have 2 girls at the corners trying to take you there inside, they are the best ones of the club, they say 18-20 girls and there were only 6. The worst place with no doubt at all.
I wanted to check cicciolina too, but I thought I wasted too much money in one night for no fun, no sex and the only good thing....2 days and will arrive two good friends of mine, so at least I will have fun, something I still did not have in my first 2 days here.
So, to make long short, Barbarella it worth it to see nice girls, but you have to be lucky to find one that stay for more than 1 hour or you pay too much for too little time, Cicciolina is the best one, or the less worst, but go there quite early and be ready when you see get into a nice girl to start immediately to talk with her, cause they no pay entrance, so if they do not get customer, they leave quite soon. It takes time, but I believe it is the only one boite where it is "easy" to get an GFE overnight.
Obviously during the afternoon I hit termas too, so soon a complete report from all the main terma, but so far, I am abit disappointed too.
Thanks for reading and hey...all is IMHO....
Once upon the time.... there was a good restaurant in the city, it HELPed many to get great time,
Now it is over and the others main places are totally different.
Balcony is a sort of take away, not much conversation, forget to see terma girls show up there as it was in Help, forget to have fun and to see girls dancing,Oh yeah, Prado Junior....here my reports.
Barbarella at midnight was totally crowded,
Senso is a totally rip off, 50 reais for ugly shark, sad atmosphere, I drunk one coca cola and I left.
Pussycat is great place, cause you can go into to see girls without have to pay, so you need, at least me yesterday, 20 seconds to go into and out....
Niko's is shitty place,
....
I feel your pain, what a shame, thanks for scoping all this out.
In years past you would always see some mention about Shenanigans or Lord Jim or even MELT having GDP's, I wonder what the scene is there now with Help closed, I would imagine a slight increase in those places as well.
For people who frequented Help it seems to be a whole new world now. I've been doing the night shift in Rio for years, waking up at 11 pm from my nap, go for dinner then entering Help by 1 AM, looks like I'll have to modify my schedule as all the action will be gone by then.
Sorry if anyone was misled - the TIM chip I got from Saara market, mentioned earlier, was fine, but I still had to get it activated (with a few free minutes) by TIM - who wanted to see my passport. They did, however, settle for seeing an electronic copy on my other phone.
Sorry if anyone was misled - the TIM chip I got from Saara market, mentioned earlier, was fine, but I still had to get it activated (with a few free minutes) by TIM - who wanted to see my passport. They did, however, settle for seeing an electronic copy on my other phone.
I activate one of TIM every time I come to Fortaleza and they always ask for the original passport. They wouldn't take a xerox of it.
Member #3439
01-16-10, 05:16
Then you can take a left down Goncalves Ledo, Conceicao, or Ave. Passos towards Tiradentes Square (which has some very grubby sex places but also Carioca59 and the marginally cleaner Casarao) or you can walk a bit further to Lapa on the south of Centro or take the tram up the hills for a nice afternoon out.
Just a few words on Casarao since it isn't oft reported. I hit it in June of last year, around 6 PM on a weekday. It had an entrance fee, something low that I remember to be around $R12. There were about 5-6 girls in the boite at the time, 3 seemed to be drunk or asleep on the couch seating around the dance floor kind of area. I didn't see anything fit for duty, so I drank a beer, fended off a persistent chubby GDP, left and hit an apt. on Rio Branco.
Now I digress...Muito obrigado to all who have been providing the recent price updates. I plan to be back in Rio in April/May timeframe and am building a rough budget. I'll be coming off a 7 month stint of no mongering, and will be shafting as many garotas as my budget and vitamin tolerance will allow.
I hope like hell that Ent was not kidding below, but was LOL at the idea of lonely garotas in heels and minis sitting alone with buckets of beer and champagne and getting bright-eyed at the sight of a gringo with money and a flagpole in his pants . Sounds like my first trip to Brazil, 2005 when the Real was not so strong and the girls actually needed money and were trying to work us gringos for green cards/citizenship elsewhere. Now the situation is reversed and people are leaving the States for work in Brasil. Maybe P4P in North America will become cheap and plentiful above the Mexican border...a man can dream.
VM is sounding better and better versus the U-station area meat markets. The aggressive garotas at BA85 turned me off from sessioning there, despite the good price and availability. My ovos hurt from being grabbed hard several times and I thought my shirt would get torn off before I reached the top floor, literally. Like an American strip club, but with penetration. Instead, I'll hit VM, termas, and putting a special focus on lower end places for some nice non-hardcore favela girls. My perfect session was the one that I reported in June, the former Brenda at Flavia's' place. No words or salesgirlship needed..just pick, pay, shower, then time for romance..or my idea of it: DFK, 69, hardball anal, finish BBBJ. We shared a cigarette afterword while we stared at the ceiling, the she brought me a drink of water and gave me the full body massage until time ran out. Nothing says 'thank you for sodomizing me!' like cool glass of water and a nice deep tissue massage :) Where do they breed these garotas and how can we make more!?
I was supposed to be in Rio right now but I got sidetracked here in Lima. Got this email today though from a buddy on the ground in Copa....
Help girls are setting outside Balcony with Champagne, and buckets of beer, have watched this, but by 1:AM they leave together, no one is taking them, the midget left alone also, all that I have talked too are asking 150 all night, so many though, its finally a buyer's market, I don't know what will be happening next week with prices, I have heard, some girls are moving back home already.
I feel your pain, what a shame, thanks for scoping all this out.
In years past you would always see some mention about Shenanigans or Lord Jim or even MELT having GDP's, I wonder what the scene is there now with Help closed, I would imagine a slight increase in those places as well.
For people who frequented Help it seems to be a whole new world now. I've been doing the night shift in Rio for years, waking up at 11 pm from my nap, go for dinner then entering Help by 1 AM, looks like I'll have to modify my schedule as all the action will be gone by then.
-Your wellcome....no idea where shenanigans and lord jim are,but in one night you cannot travel in many places with hope to find a good one....
-instead now after solarium yesterday I did not went to sleep to wake up to midnight and go to help,but I slept until 6:30 am, went to run on avenida atlantica, not I take breakfast....I am more healthy guy for sure :D
Sorry if anyone was misled - the TIM chip I got from Saara market, mentioned earlier, was fine, but I still had to get it activated....
Guys I miss the point to buy sim card in shopping center and then to go to original shop to activate the sim ? Why have to go to 2 places instead of directly to Tim and get out in 2 minutes with already mobile phone working ?
-Guys I miss the point to buy sim card in shopping center and then to go to original shop to activate the sim ? Why have to go to 2 places instead of directly to Tim and get out in 2 minutes with already mobile phone working ?
That's exactly what I do. One stop shop.
Smooth Slim
01-16-10, 17:00
Once upon the time.... there was a good restaurant in the city, it HELPed many to get great time, you could love it or hate it, but it was almost the only place open after midnight. It was good cause even if you did not want to eat ( DATY ;) ) you could go there, drink and talking and meet with friends, a place where a turist feel quite safe, a large place, so it was a point of meeting with somebody you met during the day, sooner or later almost everybody along the night went there at least to see the scene.
Now it is over and the others main places are totally different.
Balcony is a sort of take away, not much conversation, forget to see terma girls show up there as it was in Help, forget to have fun and to see girls dancing, forget to feel confortable as you stand up in 99% of time, forget or work hard to get a girl overnight too. And be aware that the young children that in fron of Help bothered you only when you got out of taxi, now they will ask you money all the time as they are around you, cause you are outside in fron of avenida atlantica, where everybody can be there....no dress code to be in the street LOL.
Thanks for such a detailed report. It is interesting to see how the scene is changing ... and not necessarily for the best.
I was in Rio and Help for New Years and the girls were worried about what they would do. More so than ever they were giving out phone numbers and email addresses hoping to keep in touch and build their business through person contact instead of a venue where everybody gathers. Since I have been back and have received many emails from those I exchanged email addresses with them asking when I will be back.
I also noticed that several Help girls had started to work in the termas. One in particularly, a short beautiful morena with long black hair is now working in Monte Carlo.
Other girls say they are gong to go to London or Madrid.
Lukasek your reports are very helpful early dispatches on the change in the Rio mongering scene. Some of us already miss Help, I do. I will be back in March and I will be following the report until then.
Thanks much for your reports. Have fun.
This is the part of town where I stay when I´m in Copa and I love every dirty muckhole of it. Just coming back from shopping though and for anyone else this end of town, if you are fed up with grubby Copa supermarkets and overpriced food, do try the Leme supermarket, 100yds past Isabel. Western-style hygeine and an attractive in-store lunch (pizza, pasta etc) for around 10R or less.[/QUOTE]
Chris, thanks for your informative posts. Could you explain where Saara is please? I also did my shopping in the Leme supermarket – which is on Copacabana about 300 metres (900 feet) past Princessa Isabella with the pizzeria – and found it to be the best priced and tastiest pizza and pasta in the neighbourhood (a basic pizza is only R9 which is good value). Although I never made it I've been assured by a non-mongering local friend that the same supermarket has a really good breakfast buffet up until midday. Will try it next time I'm back.
Just behind the supermarket on Rua Gustavo Sampaio is a video store called Macedonia. Inside is a little cafe that sells the best espresso based coffee in the area (although given Cariocas' indifference to quality coffee it doesn't have much competition!) I often go there to do some writing on my laptop and enjoy some quiet in a nice, modern European style air-conditioned environment. You also see some hot non-garotas renting a DVD which helps stir the loins for an evening's entertainment.
On the corner of Ns de Copacabana and Prado Junior is a sucos bar called Wind Sucos that does good Acai. Right next to this is a little hole in the wall sucos bar called (I think) Hiper Mate. The lads that run it are good fun if you get to know them. They speak almost incomprehensible Carioca Portuguese and know absolutely no English but I grew to like them and their careless ways. For instance, I ordered an omelette and rarely was it standard. Some days it would be a bit burnt, other days it had tomato in it, and on Sundays and holidays they wouldn't serve it at all. I never discovered why. The ketchup sachets they had were almost impossible to open without a serrated knife and the price they charged me for the same thing varied by a couple of Reals every time. I went there for the sheer perversity of the situation.
The cafe is situated right where all the freaks, disableds, favella-dwellers, brush salesmen, stool salesmen, office workers, delivery boys, she-males, GDPs and lunatics pass by. Many of them stop to buy fags from the news agent kiosk opposite. It was here I picked up my best and cheapest (R50) fuck of my holiday (see recent past post for more information on this.) A seat outside with your back to the wall offers a slice of slightly sleazy, real Rio life. I even witnessed an old alcoholic street lady knocked down and killed. Sad. The police arrived and lazily sat in their squad car while the public took control. The ambulance turned up, declared her dead and then drove off, leaving the locals to organise transport to the morgue.
Just down the road is the bar where all the night workers frequent, sometimes until 1pm when it seems to close. On my very first morning I saw a fist fight that caused only a moment's interest from the very stoned and drunk rabble stumbling around on the pavement outside.
I just returned from three weeks in Leme and think that due to Help's closure we will see a lot more action in and around Prado Junior, including Balcony. I too have heard that the Meridien may have a GDP disco in the basement but that remains to be seen. Would love it if this happened. Does anyone know who has purchased the hotel? A hotel chain would be unlikely to allow this sort of thing to occur wouldn't it? Not sure about Dubai. Who owns the hotels where this sort of thing goes on? Chain or private owners?
Finally, a couple of thoughts:
In typical counter-intuitive Rio fashion I fell out with the management of L'Uomo, that Shangri La of a first-time monger's dreams. The reason was being hoodwinked into taking a suite rather than a basic room. I arrived early on a Wednesday to gain the pre-seven pm discount. Got all excited thinking I was going to get laid in a nice environment for R240. Almost the first girl I saw was who I fucked. Big firm arse, freckles on her face, blue eyes and a deep tan. She was there last year. I had the raging horn and she was easily the best of the bunch according to my tastes that afternoon.
We went to the boite and got down to business. In my stupidity I didn't pay attention to the room (as usual in the company of a hot girl stroking my inner thigh my brain had moved south). We got down to decidedly below-average business – no proper blowjob, not even covered, half-arsed kissing and a gaping arse hole that offered very little in the way of pleasure. On the plus side she could constrict her pussy to create extra purchase on my cock which always feels delightful.
After 40 minutes I asked if we should finish, then it dawned on me she'd booked me into a suite and for an hour rather than 40 minutes. No discussion. I initially assumed that because L'Uomo had had some refurbishment work the rooms were now a higher standard. My assumption was ill-founded. What followed was 20 minutes of frustrated sexual kicks. I tried to enjoy myself but was increasingly aware I'd been duped by this girl who was proceeding with a sloppy hand job. I'm under no illusion the girls who work in the Termas are in love with the customer but one can suspend ones disbelief for 40 minutes of pleasure and most of the girls are willing to play along.
At the end of the session I went straight to the English speaking receptionist who has always seemed a reasonable lady. I explained my predicament – that I hadn't requested a suite and that on 40 minutes protested about the situation. She gave the usual buyer beware argument. I continued to protest. I explained I'd been to L'Uomo on several occasions last year and never once was taken to a suite so I assumed that this year the refurbishments I'd noticed meant a general upgrade which included the rooms. She called the manager who point-blankly refused my complaint. I even suggested splitting the increased cost and putting it down to experience. No budging. After ten minutes I decided I was wasting my time. I told them I was a journalist (I'm not) who wrote about the sex industry for a living and didn't want to report that L'Uomo treated its customers with disdain. This was my final gamble. In the UK or especially US the management want to keep customers happy. An agreement is normally reached in the hope the customer will be keen to continue to do business. Not so in Rio it seems. Finally I told them that I would never come back to L'Uomo and would do my best to alert others to the dishonest practices that take place there. They've lost a good customer who was always keen to evangelise the termas. I won't return. Lesson learnt: always always check the small print and insist on a standard boite unless you are happy to be charged extra for a suite and an hour.
Second: no matter how hard you try to blend in, if you are northern European in appearance Carioca's will clock you. I dressed down like a local – cheap vest, Havainas deliberately scuffed, basic beach shorts, no watch etc but found it hard to blend in. Even running along the beach one evening in just a pair of shorts, three girls stopped me and asked in broken English if I could take their photo! I even had a good tan! Maybe I run like a northerner…
I witnessed a British man have a gold chain snatched from around his neck by a thief on a bike. This happened on the seafront and luckily community rallied round and caught the thief, gave him a slap and returned the chain. I myself was grabbed by a very high street dweller on New Year's Eve in front of lots of people on Ns Copacabana. No one intervened as he screamed he was going to kill me. Luckily he didn't, but it shows how gringoes stand out.
If you want to stay secure I advise you to do all or some of the following:
Dress down; no watches, jewellery, designer labels, phones on display.
Walk proud; walk like you mean business. Robbers prey on the weak. After my attack whenever I was out in a secluded area and felt threatened I walked tall and fast, with a swagger, chest out and with clenched fists. I may have looked a prat but I think I looked less inviting to potential muggers.
Double up; two people are harder to attack and intimidate. If you are going to somewhere you think may have a higher risk of crime try and go with a mate.
Be aware; when I was attacked I thought I was safe because I was on a busy street on a busy night, surrounded by people. I let my guard down and was in a little world of my own. If you see someone up ahead you don't like the look of don't be too proud to turn around. Cross the road before you get too close and stay in the light and stay on busy streets.
Having said all that, I'm still alive.
Finally, if you get chance, visit a favela. I've been to Rio's largest, Rocinha on an organised tour. It was an eye opener. I saw a 16 year-old with a machine gun, but I also saw a thriving community with shops, banks and cafes. At least a quarter of all Carioca's live in a favela of some sort. Seeing it will give you a greater understanding of this wonderful, perverse nation. Behind Leme is favela Babilonia-Chapeu Mangueria. It featured in the 1959 Oscar-winning film Orfeu Negro and in 2007's Golden Bear winning Trope De Elite. There is a police presence now although this causes its own problems in as much as there is no 'iron fist' in the form of the chief drug trafficker or 'mayor' to maintain civil life - houses are now being built with disregard for neighbours and petty crimes like dumping are on the increase. If you want a good tour of Babilonia I suggest you try this young lady:
http://lemebabilonia.multiply.com/journal/item/3
She is very knowledgeable and lives within the community. It will open your eyes.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
The Watcher
01-16-10, 18:08
Once upon the time.... there was a good restaurant in the city, it HELPed many to get great time, you could love it or hate it, but it was almost the only place open after midnight.....
I enjoy your posts and photos. Please keep them coming.
Thanks again.
I'M looking at the clouds and thinking VM is not a good place to be when it rains. But it seems a waste not to do something. I pick a 20yr old girl called Camilla from the right hand of the U-Bend, second casa. * She's very petite, dances a nice butt-dance and does the cutesey come-on to me every time I go past. Decent performance in the room if not outstanding. She doesn't rush. Her clit swells to the size of an uncracked walnut but I don't sense she's going to come. Her breasts are a little loose for her age and I guess she's not nulliparous though I don't ask. Her party piece is doggy, when she shakes her butt the way she did when dancing. Rather nice. I crack off a couple of photos and show her. She has a very slight whitish discharge and I reassure her this is normal (which it usually is, especially when there's no smell, which there isn't). She's worked in VM for 3 months she says. Affectionate leave taking and I take another glance at the sky and dark looking clouds. The alleys of Mimosa soon get waterlogged and many of the roofs leak. And I think it tends to smell worse in the wet.
Love the medical report! Are you a doctor? Did you charge her for the advice? Had to look up nulliparous!
Hey guys,
After reading this forum for a few days, and getting aware of what to do and what not do while I'm in Rio. Maybe you guys can help me out with one issue.
I was highlly recomended by a friend to use www.Thewonderfulcity.com to rent an apartment in Rio for my first trip from 09th Feb to 25th.
Does anybody had use their service? Does anybody had rented from Fred or Margareth before?
I'm already touching bases with them, Spoke to Fred on the phone, he sounded like a nice guy. It's a familie business, they are one ofthe first vacation agencies in Rio. Anyway I'm on the way of getting the apartment from them, I just want to get some of the experts opinion.
Thanks a bunch!
Loulakis Jim
01-16-10, 18:34
A couple of months ago Centaurus went up to 450 and they asked for it up front after waving in some loud mouthed gringos. All of these things offended me since I have known this place for many years. I left and won't go there as long as there is such a price difference. I don't expect them to come down.
MC also has gone up. It is now 70 + 70 + 170 which is R310! As far as the talent, I would say mixed. Definitely some stunners but a lot of huge bundas. And I mean HUGE.. To each his own. that's just not my thing. If one can't find something they like there, I an sorry for them.Wow 450R is expensive. You take a girl with 150R from balconi my friend says but I didn't ask him what the girls look like! I'm going to Rio next week I don't think I am going to centaurus with those hight prices. I will try monte carlo, I did that last year hade some fun with a stunner. You have any other Suggestions?
Thanks for such a detailed report. It is interesting to see how the scene is changing ... and not necessarily for the best....
I also noticed that several Help girls had started to work in the termas....
Smooth Slim,
thanks very much for your kind words, I like to write and to try to make feel the ones at home here, to satisfy their, normal, curiosity especially in these times of big changes from the end of Help.
Yet not been to Montecarlo, I will do it asap, however I was talking in luomo with one girl who said, many were thinking Help girls could end to terma, honestly in 4x4,solarium and luomo none Help girls.
I guess it is cause Help girls are basically very lazy to have a work everyday for about 9 hours per day. I think for them, looking to their sad and angry faces in Balcony, is even harder than for us that Help is over.
...Have fun.
Thanks man, I will try ;)
I enjoy your posts...
I guess where went the only one that everytime understood right in which terma I took my photos ;)
Thanks you too, I am happy you enjoyed.
So guys, yesterday after solarium, I'll report later, I went to sleep at 23h, cause really I had no mood to go to Balcony and/or the prado junior boite walking, wasting of money, effort and I am not Tom Cruise for the impossible mission to find a friendly, nice, overnight girl down there.
Honestly I feel a bit "stupid2 to go to sleep so early, I am in holiday right ? But so far as here all changed, so I thought let's try something different.
Well this morning I woke up at 7h and I went, after years, to run-footing on avenida atlantica, I went back, shower breakfast and I feel great.
Today is saturday, so maybe I will give a try somewhere, however for me it is quite good too, to wake up early,the day at the beach, totally relax ( I feel a new man now ) and afternoon terma until late evening and go to sleep.
It is something different from my usual holiday when I am up in the night and sleep during the day to enjoy night life, but it is not so bad.
.....and photos. Please keep them coming.
Thanks again.
About the photos, tomorrow will arrive simpleminded with his friend, so first of all my english, talking everyday with them, should get a bit better in my reports ;) and second all the pictures I took were with his camera, a very small one, that it is easy to be hidden in the small pocket to the terma bathrobe :)
Have fun everywhere you are
massagens 210, saara, blood on the path, free dance lessons. street carnaval parties, blues n jazz, carnaval hotel prices, miami peep
a nice saturday afternoon out in centro. i´ll pop it into sections as i know some members are just interested in p4p and some are interested in the wider brasilian stuff. ;)
there´s always people who are a bit new to centro, so i thought this ´typical´ day out might give some ideas perhaps.
massagens 210
the bus drops me in centro at tiradentes palace, which i like for the music and books shop a few yards away. i have a quick wander along ouvidor towards the bay to see if any of the termas there are open (they´re not) but it´s a nice area anyway – upmarket cafes often with outdoor tables and music. i´m cativated by a blues sax player whose cheeks go in strange directions. i look in at ba25 which is less busy on a saturday, but the atmosphere isn´t as good as it can be – even renata seems peevish, so i stroll over to the nearby uru210 which i mentioned in a previous post the other day. my two recommendations if you come here are a) hang about until a doable appears. the nice ones are possibly busy when you walk in. and b) pay the extra for the nice room. this is 45r for 30mins (as opposed to the ba85 type stalls at 1r a min) but is well worth it. fully aircon, nice décor, total privacy and plenty of room. i hung around for a cold drink till a bubbly creature with a bubbly smile and very enormous breasts (au naturel). just before i put a condom on (i think she was gonna go for bareback, the naughty safada), she grabs me and gives me a very silky cool bj. shortly after penetration, she starts to frigg herself, continuing till she has a very loud, violent orgasm. it´s at this point you´re pleased the room is fairly sound insulated compared to the others. afterwards she is all cat-got-the-cream and curls up in spoon to purr. ignores the mamas an banging on the door twice and eventually asks me lazily, ´are we gonna move?´ a nice start to the day. i took a pic of her v.e.b. to post later. again, if you try this place, do wait for a nice woman. there are uglies there too. but it´s new and they are making a big effort, sweeping and polishing and being extra nice to people.
saara
after i posted about saara before, some people pm´d me for more details. it´s especially nice early saturday afternoon (it shuts mid-afternoon though). there is less pressure and the girls stop to flirt as they try to upsell you on goods. from vargas, just take a right after uruguiana station and keep going. the prices seem to get progressively cheaper the closer you get to the park at the end. i got a couple of t-shirts (hint: anything to do with surf is reasonably ´cool´) for 5r each, and a nice bathmat for 2r. i saw bermudas at 8r and havaianas at 6r.
escape in the park
i sometimes come in here – the park at the far (western) end of buenos aires, for some quiet r&r. there´s a colony of cats, a lake, big mango(?) trees, and small mini-hog -like creatures. usually the odd tramp or two but it is reasonably safe. except today a police car drives through and drives over a guy´s foot. he must have been dozing. it´s spurting blood all over the place and he´s screaming and yelling. the police car eventually stops and backs up and carries him into the back. hopefully they´ll give him more than a band-aid ooer.
free dance lessons
heading back towards rua carioca (along visconde do rio branco) i come across a new(-ish?) dance studio. at least i´ve not seen it here before. it´s on visconde do, just opposite the end of lavadrio (the road from lapa). they are offering a free first lesson. advertised styles include forro, salsa, tango and zouk. (http://renatapecanha.com.br)
carnaval hotel prices
i had hoped to be able to give you better news, but it might help as a guide. this is an excellent area to stay if you are doing carnaval at sambodromo, as well as being near to p4p amenities. these hotels are adjacent to praca tiradentes (no connection to tiradentes palace). the ibis is the closest you´ll find here to recognizable western standards and very reasonable as well as fully gf (you pay for the room, not per person). they have rooms just now at 165r (weekdays) and 145r (weekends). but are sold out over carnaval competition dates. prices vary wildly, but to give you an idea, their rate for 12th feb to 15th feb is 279r. i´ve stayed at the ibis and reckon it´s ok. formule 1 next door is also sold out over carnaval proper though they are usually marginally cheaper. rio hotel opposite (afaiaa you can only book in person, but i may be wrong) is the sort of place that should pay you to stay there. their rate is 50r, but even they are sold out over carnaval.
street carnaval parties / jazz festival
these, as well as practice sessions, are starting to build up all over town as rio gets into gear for carnaval. there´s often a good barbecue on offer and a great community atmosphere. i came across two today – one just before lavadrio (see above) and then a bacteria (percussion) practice just off rua carioca. it was pretty awesome – i love these – and i love exchanging the thrill the drums bring, the shivers up the spine, when exchanging eye-contact with total strangers. i watched one full rehearsal then sat down for some yakisoba (a remarkably spotless asian café just off carioca i´ve never noticed before) and listened to another round. btw i think the jazz festival starts on the 20th.
miami peep
jump the metro back to sq and have a quick look in miami peep for a quick grope. this place is so tacky but even worse if you order the wrong girl for a private session (ie one that had her photo taken 20yrs previously). i change what i think is the last of my tokens for reals. but get caught out when i pull out a pocketful of change in the supermarket that includes a left-over miami peep token. very embarrassing. fortunately the check-out assistant just laughed. :) asked them when they shut – told me hours are 1pm-9pm. it is too tacky to describe – please do a search for a description of the gymnastical mutual gropes in the private booths.
The Watcher
01-17-10, 07:14
Hey guys,
After reading this forum for a few days, and getting aware of what to do and what not do while I'm in Rio. Maybe you guys can help me out with one issue.
I was highlly recomended by a friend to use www.Thewonderfulcity.com to rent an apartment in Rio for my first trip from 09th Feb to 25th.
Does anybody had use their service? Does anybody had rented from Fred or Margareth before?
I'm already touching bases with them, Spoke to Fred on the phone, he sounded like a nice guy. It's a familie business, they are one ofthe first vacation agencies in Rio. Anyway I'm on the way of getting the apartment from them, I just want to get some of the experts opinion.
Thanks a bunch!
I just rented an apartment from wonderfulcity from December 30 - January 9. Margareth and Frederico were very nice. In fact, Margareth was so nice that she cut the price by $500 - it should be noted that this apartment was listed with another agency for the same original price that Margareth listed the apartment.
I only talked with Margareth but I met with Frederico - he let me into the apartment and I paid him the balance for the apartment. He is a young guy but a good guy. I had no problems with the apartment so I had no contact with them after the first day.
I had a roommate who left the day after I did. He had no problems at checkout and he checked out at 9:00 p.m. This is an important fact because another person was checking in as soon as my roommate left. In other words, they did not request my roommate to leave early so that another person could occupy the apartment. I think this was extraordinarily generous on their part.
I took a look to the apts, they look nice but way too expensive comparing with where I am: 2 bedroom,fast net, close to miguel lemos, sat tv, air condition, totally new, rebuild inside last year and all for 50$ ! But yes, I had to book about 3 monhts ago, I was introduced from a friend but something one year ago I thought it could be impossible, very nice apt at cheap price, is now true. ( just to let you know how the most famous agencies for gringo rip you totally off with the prices... ).
4 terma in 5 days and I took only one girl and having everytime 600 reais, to be sure I could take her for one hour, and been horny as a dog with 3 balls.....yes, you guess right, something is wrong here !
Let's say I changed a lot from the beginning of my mongering life, I do not need to fuck to live, I fuck only when I find a very nice one, friendly, when it born a bit of chemistry and when she is not a cold fish, so for sure I am very exigent now.
Let's say that spend Xmas holiday in FKK in German did no help me, as there the quality of girls is much higher, for my taste, than in terma.
But let's also add that I never saw so many fat ass and ugly girls as in these 5 days !
Also very important, I never saw so slow night at termas too, when men talking with men and girls getting boring.
To let you understand well, many girls all the time were yawning !!!
And another important thing, I never been so often approached from girl I neither watched for !!!
Guys we were afraid with end of Help terma could get crowded from mongers ? Well much less mongers than when Help was open !
4x4: I already wrote about it, on monday I was shocked to find it with not much people, some good ones, the same of january 2009, no new girls nice for my eyes.(possible to smoke in bar upstairs)
Luomo:the entrance worth it just to see Bia dancing, but even her, was more lazy than usual, she is great, but I did not want to repeat with her, 2 new girls talking all the time together. About 22h we were in 6 men....
No possible to smoke.
Solarium: friday night they dress normal clothes, not good to see what you are buying, too horny to resist, I took a good one, but nothing special, I was too weak and stay with her 1 hour in cabine the bill was about 500 reais, it means about 192 euro or 277$, sorry but too fucking expensive for me ! ( only couple of beers and coca cola, not Dom Perignon !!).
However for sure the terma with best looking girls !
Smoking possible everywhere.
Montecarlo: about 40 girls, but only 2 were good. The terma were I was approached most of times of girls asking if directly and immediately if I want a massage, or to fuck or a good bj, almost neither curious to know my name or where I am from or too lazy to lie fake interest in short conversation.Smoking only in whyskeria where for 2 hours there were 5 guys watching the television caring nothing about the girls in the bar area.
Another thing, I did not see men that party there, I mean, men with for some time drinking,having fun with the same girls. It looks to me a sort of factory sex, everybody looking around until sometime some decide to bring a girl upstairs.
I have to say, for me there is not much fun to go to terma now, all my previous times to rio, terma was a great place where to spend time, looking girls smiling,dancing, nice conversation and most of times I ended to cabine, even with not super wonderful girls, but cause I HAD FUN !
No fun, not much mood to have sex too.
My feeling is.....with price higher, ( entrance and couple of beers and you are higher than 100 reais----38 euro----55$ !!!), it means you think twice before to go to terma just to kill the time after the beach and before late dinner, so a bit less customers, means less money for girls, that instead to try better to convince man to have sex, they try harder ( in a colder and faster way, sometime in almost unpolite way and they get pissed off when you deny their approach ).
So less money, less fun, less mood to have sex, higher prices, ALL works to make things become worst !!!
Higher prices, think twice whom to go, they get tired to try, they look boring, they yawn and you think, what the fuck I am doing here ? 100 reais for what ? 120 reais 2 hours 1 girl from karlamodels and I can talk with my buddy even at the beach.....
Very interesting that all the time I played to be surprised and curious about the weak-slow evening and I asked to girl about it.....first they say often, oh, it is only today....then when I said, I was in the other termas and.....they asked me, how is there ? Girls work there ? Many customers ??
They are more than aware of the situation and they hope you suggest them that in that particularly terma it is good business, I am sure, they could have zero problems to leave to another terma, despite the problem the situation is the same in all the terma I visited.
Less than a week here and despite the good weather, the first bad thing was to not have a place where to go after midnight, second thing the different vibe,higher prices, tired girls in terma.
2 bad news, time to try something different, what ? Well...stay tuned, no matter what I will do, for sure I will report step by step as I always did.
Cheers guys
P.S. Obviously it is only my point of view, we are all different, maybe you come here and you get nice times or maybe you find out to agree with me, however here it is not as it used to be before, even if it depends by you, if you had sex last time 3 months ago and only looking for 3 holes, no reason why you shouldn't enjoy here.
The Windex Man
01-17-10, 20:00
I took a look to the apts, they look nice but way too expensive comparing with where I am: 2 bedroom, fast net, close to miguel lemos, sat tv, air condition, totally new, rebuild inside last year and all for 50$! But yes, I had to book about 3 monhts ago, I was introduced from a friend but something one year ago I thought it could be impossible, very nice apt at cheap price, is now true. (just to let you know how the most famous agencies for gringo rip you totally off with the prices.).My first and second trip to Rio (2009), I went with the wonderfulcity and as mentioned, Frederico is a really cool guy and he did take care of my needs while I was there. First apt I got from them was in May 2009. I thought the room looked really nice. The issues (which could probably happen anywhere) was there were only 2 towels when I arrived on a Saturday and I didn't get any more until the following Tuesday (not cool, but used the Laundry place to help) and the other biggie for me at least was that I couldn't plug in any of my US electronics (laptop, radio, etc) in the wall socket, because of the difference between the US and Brazilian wall socket. Fred took care of that after I called him, whereas he brought me an adapter. Internet no problem. Just something to be aware of and ask about, before you arrive. Saw a few ants crawling out of the kitchen garbage can, but that didn't bother me. Got a can of spray and moved on. As long as I don't see roaches, I'm cool.
Oh yeah, this apt was like 4 blocks from Meia Pattaca and about $70 bucks per night. He rents out cell phone for $5 per day and I believe the maid service was like $20 per day.
On their website, you also have to pay upfront like (I believe) a third of the total bill, before they will hold the room. So, when you sign up, you state what room you want, how many days of maid service, how many days of cell phone rental, airport pickup, perhaps a couple of other options I can't remember, then a total bill is drawn up, and then it states how much of that total you'll need to pay now in order for them to hold the room. I paid through paypal.
Another "oh yeah", when I got in the apt, I paid the remaining monies due, and then Fred said to me that he forgot to tell me that he was supposed to get an additional refundable deposit from me, which will be returned to me at the end of my stay, pending of course that I don't destroy the apt. I told him I have no more money to give him and wasn't comfortable with that. No argument ensured and he quickly acknowledged that he shoudl have told me that upfront and let it go. Yet, another thing for you to be aware of.
Second stay with them was in July 2009 (my official second trip to Rio). I told Fred I wanted something closer to the action and that's where they got me an apt on Miguel Lemos. Perfect location, but room seemed to be like half the size of the apt in May which was 4 blocks away. Bathroom was like a little closet and with me being 6'4, 270, you know I wasn't very comfortable getting in and out of there. NOT Fred's fault that I'm a McDonalds fan. Again, just telling my experience. This time, Fred had an adapter waiting for me, so that I would be able to plug in my electronics. Great! More than double the amount of towels! Outstanding! Again, internet, no problem. View from my window: Spectacular. I was also right between Meia Pattaca and HELP. Can't get no better. Price was like 5 bucks cheaper than May. I did the same deal with renting the phone, getting a couple days of maid service, and paying that deposit up front online, which again, I believe is a third of the total cost.
Third trip to Rio: November. Talked to veterans who were down in Rio in May and July. Realized that I could do better, in terms of cost, location, and room size. Also found that I wouldn't have to give up a deposit either. All of that panned out, as I did take the advice of another mongerer and got in touch with this gentleman named Franco.
Franco got me the best looking apt yet. Looked outstanding. It was two blocks from HELP/Meia Pattaca, charged me $55 per night, didn't charge me extra for cell phone rental, didn't charge me extra for maid service (although I left a nice tip regardless), and I also didn't have to give him a deposit before arrival. Could it be that he went the extra mile because I was recommended to him by a regular customer of his? I don't know. All I know is that in November, it saved me a lot of dough and I got a nicer place. Franco is now in my Rolodex.
Well, that was my experience. I believe that Fred and his mother are great people and they did take care of me. Can't say nothing bad about them personally. For me though, working with Franco was a better and money saving experience. I believe that Franco may have been mentioned in this forum before or in another topic concerning apartments/hotels.
Hope this helps and good luck with your decision.
The Windex Man
The Windex Man
01-17-10, 20:15
I really appreciate the posts concerning the nighttime action (or lack there of) after HELP closed. I searched this forum for information on Meia Pattaca post HELP, and unless I missed it, I don't think anyone has talked about it yet. Anybody have some information to share on this.
Myself and another mongerer kind of made a prediction that some of the nighttime HELP girls may now come out during the daytime and hang out there for less money. Did that happen? Lot more girls at MP / beach or is it the same (prior to the closing)?
Thanks
Azn Safado
01-18-10, 01:43
...
MC also has gone up. It is now 70 + 70 + 170 which is R310! As far as the talent, I would say mixed. Definitely some stunners but a lot of huge bundas. And I mean HUGE.. To each his own. that's just not my thing. If one can't find something they like there, I an sorry for them.
Wow, that's some depressing news about Monte Carlo. When I was there back in November, it seemed to make a comeback as far as getting better talent. I went there more than any of the other Copa termas on my last trip because I liked the new talent and the price had stayed basically the same for the last year.
MC was once under the same ownership as Solarium, but no longer. Solarium had recently raised their prices to R310 for 40 minutes, and now MC follows suit! I am not sure how I can justify going to MC anymore, except Tuesdays for free-cabine day with a coupon. If I'm going to pay R310, I might as well go out of my way to Solarium where there is a guaranteed abundance of talent and more of it than MC.
Seems only a matter of time before Luomo follows suit with this price gouging. Luomo at the present time, at R240 for 40-minutes with an entrance before 7p is definitely the best value in Copa.
AsianChaos
01-18-10, 02:07
Gentlemen,
After a lot of planning for the trip to Rio I was finally able to get everything ready for my first trip to Rio.
Arriving in Rio on the 19th for about 5 nights. Coming from Germany FKk so was not really looking into the Termas scenerio but was really looking forward to going to HELP for picking up chicas.
But now HELP has closed so I am lost as to what to do? Since this is a recent development of HELP being closed....there isn't much information as to which disco the girls are going to these days?
Would really appreciate if senior members can guide which bar/night club/disco has high talent in the last few days as the forum is still recovering from the loss of HELP.
Since will be staying at the Marriott - I would be more interested in the LT verses the Thermas.
Any help would be much appreciated as I am lost as to what to do.
Thanks gents!!!
- AC
Pure Power
01-18-10, 03:59
Gentlemen,
After a lot of planning for the trip to Rio I was finally able to get everything ready for my first trip to Rio.
Arriving in Rio on the 19th for about 5 nights. Coming from Germany FKk so was not really looking into the Termas scenerio but was really looking forward to going to HELP for picking up chicas.
But now HELP has closed so I am lost as to what to do? Since this is a recent development of HELP being closed....there isn't much information as to which disco the girls are going to these days?
Would really appreciate if senior members can guide which bar/night club/disco has high talent in the last few days as the forum is still recovering from the loss of HELP.
Since will be staying at the Marriott - I would be more interested in the LT verses the Thermas.
Any help would be much appreciated as I am lost as to what to do.
Thanks gents!!!
- AC
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=565336&postcount=46
Everything you need to know about Rio is in here.
Mr Enternational
01-18-10, 06:15
I was highlly recomended by a friend to use www.Thewonderfulcity.com to rent an apartment in Rio for my first trip from 09th Feb to 25th.
Does anybody had use their service? Does anybody had rented from Fred or Margareth before?
You are in good hands. That is who I rent from. She also rents out a friend's apartment when he is not in Rio.
Jamaicanceo
01-18-10, 08:23
The Monger Temple of Copacabana, aka "Help", being dismantled. I wonder how much did the sign sell for. I am sure someone bought hit for keepsake of their monger memories. But my friend who sent me this photo says he thinks the sign will be stored for a new location. Or maybe it will be displayed in the new museum. LOL! See photo attached.
Hey Windex Man,
I don't suppose you'd be willing to share Franco's details with us? He sounds like a good guy.
I've used EZ Rio Rentals twice in a row and found Ken, the owner to be polite and efficient. He is an American so speaks English (almost perfect in fact!)
http://www.ez-riorentals.com/
This year I stayed in Leme and found it positive in as much as it's quieter than Copacabana. It's a bit of a walk to Help! but I managed to lose half-a-stone (seven pounds) in three weeks from walking back and forth, and besides, I doubt I'll be walking to Help! anymore. Leme is also close to Prado Junior, which is just fun to hang around, day or night as there's always something or someone to watch.
Ken has a partner, Rodrigo, who will pick up and deliver you from and to the airport for R110. He's a safe driver (safe being relative of Rio chauffeurs) and his car is clean.
I was there over Christmas/New Year when prices go up steeply. I paid around £55/$90 per night. I only had a studio but it was on the sea front with a lovely view. Does anyone think this was a good or bad price?
Does any one know if poulina is still working at 4x4?
Also, a recent report refered to Bia working at MC. Is it the same famous Bia that worked at MC few years back?
Smokers Rule
01-19-10, 03:56
This is the saddest picture I have ever seen in my life.
The Monger Temple of Copacabana, aka "Help", being dismantled. I wonder how much did the sign sell for. I am sure someone bought hit for keepsake of their monger memories. But my friend who sent me this photo says he thinks the sign will be stored for a new location. Or maybe it will be displayed in the new museum. LOL! See photo attached.
The Monger Temple of Copacabana, aka "Help", being dismantled. I wonder how much did the sign sell for. I am sure someone bought hit for keepsake of their monger memories. But my friend who sent me this photo says he thinks the sign will be stored for a new location. Or maybe it will be displayed in the new museum. LOL! See photo attached.Thanks Jamaicanceo, your friend captured a special moment. It's kind of like an open casket funeral so we can all really believe it from abroad. I'd love to have a higher rez copy if your friend posts it anywhere.
Jamaicanceo
01-19-10, 06:00
This is the saddest picture I have ever seen in my life.There ought to be a day of mourning, huh? But I think more for the garotas than the mongers. Without Help, the mongering scene will change with less spoiled gdp. Remember, these girls began asking for R$400 for 2 hours. I'll be in Rio next Monday for 10 days. I'll miss the restaurant "TA", where I picked up girls at R$200 for 2 orgasmos. But Balcony will be the same for less. I will be in Rio next Monday for 10 days. We'll see!
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=565336&postcount=46
Everything you need to know about Rio is in here.Bubba's report in a very good detailed report - but very old.
What about the latest GDP action now Help is closed?
Does any one know if poulina is still working at 4x4?
Also, a recent report refered to Bia working at MC. Is it the same famous Bia that worked at MC few years back?
Who is Paulina ?
Yes, same gorgeous Bia
luka,
the aesthetics are probably better in an fkk (based on my 2 visits) but cant comapre that to helpee where chicks were all clothed. even compared to termas, the fkk may have better 'looks', but the 30-minute sex is more machine like in my opinion.
i generally got better vibe at termas except recent reports are worrisome and have me questioning my next trip to rio:(
i answer here, cause in photo gallery it could be off topic, if we do not post photo.
30 minutes in fkk=sex machine ? and +10 minutes in terma, where is the difference ?
balcony girl now try to stay not much more than 30 minutes, is it what ? second experience yesterday with balcony girl, more to follow...
help girls often look much better dressed than naked and most fkk girls will look like as model if dressed as help girls.
unless you come here in carnival froget the old vibe of termas, it is just hte opinion of 1 week here.....more or less it is gone together help, believe it or not, but it is not only my opinion, yesterday with my friends we hit 3 termas and they confirmed the big change i saw last week comparing with 1 year ago.
--- i'll miss the restaurant "ta", where i picked up girls at r$200 for 2 orgasmos. but balcony will be the same for less....
i hope for you, really and i am curious to know ho will be your opinion too.
what i think that they really do not understand, ( why they have problems to understand this so simple rule ? ) is that happy customer will repeat....when they get one customer they care more in how much time they can be back to balcony, where they do not pay entrance, than to give him nice time....imho.
HoleRanger
01-19-10, 13:38
Franco, is a solid guy, I always rent from him when I go to Rio. I've stayed in units #405 and #308 on the website.Unit #405 has a bed to die for! Website
http://www.copacabanapt4rent.com/
It is best to contact Franco via his email for the best deals...email me for info.
Never a problem!
Enjoy!
Papae Noel
01-19-10, 19:12
Anyone know if this picture was taken in Help?
http://www.latineuro.com/details.php?seeking=1&country=30&I3_x=23&I3_y=17&pageID=39
Does she look familiar to anyone?
Jamaicanceo
01-19-10, 19:35
I answer here, cause in photo gallery it could be off topic, if we do not post photo.
30 minutes in fkk=sex machine? And +10 minutes in terma, where is the difference?
Balcony girl now try to stay not much more than 30 minutes, is it what? Second experience yesterday with balcony girl, more to follow.
Help girls often look much better dressed than naked and most fkk girls will look like as model if dressed as help girls.
Unless you come here in Carnival froget the old vibe of termas, it is just hte opinion of 1 week here. More or less it is gone together Help, believe it or not, but it is not only my opinion, yesterday with my friends we hit 3 termas and they confirmed the big change I saw last week comparing with 1 year ago.
I hope for you, really and I am curious to know ho will be your opinion too.
What I think that they really do not understand, (why they have problems to understand this so simple rule?) is that happy customer will repeat. When they get one customer they care more in how much time they can be back to Balcony, where they do not pay entrance, than to give him nice time. IMHO.Lukasek,
I noticed the change in the girls during my trip in Nov. 2009. Once the girls in the Copa termas had more class than the girls at Help before Help closed. In my last visit to Monte Carlo and Luomo, the girls behaved like Meia Pataca girls. Then at Solarium they charged too much in my opinion. But what I notice were girls in many termas, except 4x4, many girls were sitting with their arms crossed expected the customer to approach them. Another issue was the girls seem to be gossiping among themselves without interest in the customer. In the first day of visit termas my last visit I had one beer and walked out of MC, Luomo, Solarium and 502 without sessioning, because I had numbers of girls from past visits to termas, meia pataca, and TA. Plus the girls in these termas beg to much. When I am in Rio next week and a terma girl asks for a drink, I will no session with her because that makes the terma visit more expensive. Just find a girl who needs the session money and not needing to get drunk. They have their own money from clients. A girl who sessions well will be the girl to invite to your apartment at a later time.
Exec Talent
01-19-10, 20:24
Anyone know if this picture was taken in Help?
http://www.latineuro.com/details.php?seeking=1&country=30&I3_x=23&I3_y=17&pageID=39
Does she look familiar to anyone?
I have one of those little blue disks as a souvenir.
Hi Jamaicanceo,
I TOTALLY agree about this:
-Once the girls in the Copa termas had more class
-Then at Solarium they charged too much in my opinion. (but at least is the best terma)
-Many girls were sitting with their arms crossed and gossiping among themselves without interest ( yes, totally boring attitude )
-When a terma girl asks for a drink, I will no session with her ( exception if refrigerante, but I understand your point )
Especially about t his:A girl who sessions well will be the girl to invite to your apartment at a later time.
I hope I will have a TLN-overnight at least once this holiday, but I am afraid I won't.
Fun And Sun
01-20-10, 00:04
The Monger Temple of Copacabana, aka "Help", being dismantled. I wonder how much did the sign sell for. I am sure someone bought hit for keepsake of their monger memories. But my friend who sent me this photo says he thinks the sign will be stored for a new location. Or maybe it will be displayed in the new museum. LOL! See photo attached.
Now that's a depressing picture, but thanks for sharing it. Know that many don't like Help, but it was a pretty unique Rio experience to go there to just soak up the atmosphere and see all the GDPs. Hopefully something similar will emerge soon, although Rio these days sounds more and more outside my price range...
Exec Talent
01-20-10, 01:26
A Brazilian asked me today why Help was so unique? I told him the truth. Guys who didn't have a prayer of scoring with women in their own country could come to Rio pretend they were in a regular nightclub and leave with a woman who would never have given them the time of day back home. Even if the economy improves, I do not think guys will come to Rio just to have sex. It was the fantasy they were after (and got). Hanging outside of Balcony just doesn't have the same feel. TA was big enough that guys could still get that fantasy feeling.
Was at MC this afternoon/evening and there were about 50 girls wondering where their next meal was coming from. It was so quiet you could hear a G-String drop. Keep in mind it was coupon (free admission with a 40 minute session day). One girl complained to me that guys don't want to take her to the room they just want to get her number and meet her later. She said they weren't interested in paying her very much either.
The termas has that same fantasy feel. Going into a bar and having sex with any girl there. Except now the cost (at MC anyway) is R$310 for 40 minutes.
Anyone know if this picture was taken in Help?
http://www.latineuro.com/details.php?seeking=1&country=30&I3_x=23&I3_y=17&pageID=39
Does she look familiar to anyone?Definety take inside Help.
I don't know her though
Pussyhunter099
01-20-10, 01:40
The termas has that same fantasy feel. Going into a bar and having sex with any girl there. Except now the cost (at MC anyway) is R$310 for 40 minutes.R310 for 40 minutes is very upsetting.
Lukasek, Christopherd & Exec Talent (and others on the ground, reporting in Rio at the moment),
Just wanted to say thanks for the O' so very interesting reports and insights into this new P4P culture emerging in Rio. Great reporting, please keep the updates and the blow-by-blow (literally) coming.
Can any of you tell me if the economics of HELP closing is starting to be felt by the girls? And is the situation improving their attitudes towards giving better services or basically just getting worse?
Much Appreciated!
.
Was at MC this afternoon/evening and there were about 50 girls wondering where their next meal was coming from. It was so quiet you could hear a G-String drop. Keep in mind it was coupon (free admission with a 40 minute session day). One girl complained to me that guys don't want to take her to the room they just want to get her number and meet her later. She said they weren't interested in paying her very much either.
Thats pretty much my how I do it now, I learned it from the brasilian men. They dont pay full price, they meet up with the girls before/after work. Only difference is, I dont spend an hour kissing and pawing them, before I say that I wont be going to the room. I let them know within the first 10 minutes that I would rather get their number and meet up at my place.
The only terma girl at MC that I had a problem with, was the japenese girl, Sayuri. Unfortunately, all the idiots at Help over paid her,so she got real spoiled. She refused to leave Help for less than 400R! One day she called me and she offered to come to my place before she started working (My apartment was near MC), she wanted 300R! She refused to budge on the price, saying that if I took her at MC I would have to pay 300R!!
I offered her 175R , but she acted insulted! No matter how much I tried to explain to her "Listen you wouldn't get the full 300R from my bill at MC, your portion would only be 175! So why not just take the 175R from me?" I even offered to pay 200R because I planned on taking pics and filming the session,unfortunately,she wouldnt budge on the price.
Devilspinkick
01-20-10, 03:22
The only terma girl at MC that I had a problem with, was the japenese girl, Sayuri.
I'm glad to hear that Sayuri is back at MC. Had a great session with that lithe minx during one of my trips last year. May make MC my first Termas to hit when I arrive (usually go to 4x4 first).
I don't understand why folks get so hung up on the prices, especially when you factor in the exchange rate. Brasil is still cheaper than the cost of P4P in the Western world. If you want to pay low rates for low quality then spend your time in SEA ..... plenty of cheap Charlies there and they are more than happy. Brazil isn't a budget destination and it hasn't been for quite some time.
If things cost a little more, spend a little more, and be happy. Life is too short to nickle & dime. Just my opinion.
- DSK
One Eyed Man
01-20-10, 03:39
Can any of you tell me if the economics of HELP closing is starting to be felt by the girls? And is the situation improving their attitudes towards giving better services or basically just getting worse?
Apologies for using economic language, but it's funny and appropriate here. I think some people here argued that prices would come down due to the closure of Help, but I would expect the opposite. Help served as a marketplace where multiple buyers and sellers could openly compare prices. If you didn't like a price one girl gave you, you could easily go to another. Now, you will have to seek prices in a more fragmented marketplace. If you don't like one girl's price, you have to go to a different location at a different time to get a price quote.
One Eyed Man
01-20-10, 03:40
The only terma girl at MC that I had a problem with, was the japenese girl, Sayuri. Unfortunately, all the idiots at Help over paid her,so she got real spoiled. She refused to leave Help for less than 400R! One day she called me and she offered to come to my place before she started working (My apartment was near MC), she wanted 300R! She refused to budge on the price, saying that if I took her at MC I would have to pay 300R!!
It sounds like your only beef with Sayuri was on price. I saw her and thought she was great. When I was in Rio a couple of weeks ago, MC management said that she was "traveling," which I took as a worrisome sign.
There is a long talking about Help, but nobody posted photos how looks like now, so I took a walk for your curiosity ;)
...Can any of you tell me if the economics of HELP closing is starting to be felt by the girls? And is the situation improving their attitudes towards giving better services or basically just getting worse?...!
Well, I spoke with Help girl at Balcony one week ago, she is not my type,but very friendly and I told her immediately I will not take her, but we became "friends", every night we speak, she is very friendly and good chance to me to kill the time out there for the last beer before to go to sleep, also to practice my portuguese ;)
She said it is very hard now, many girls almost do not work at all, she also said some are selling their expensive handbags and shoes for good prices, but not many girls have money to buy or are in mood to buy fashion clothes and etc. so far as they have to pay rent and food.
Interesting, when I asked her, how did started to work as GdP ? She said, brazilian guys want nothing more than fuck, she went many times to discos or to bars, when she was not a hooker and she was approached by brazilian guys that just asked her, come to my apt, let's have sex....almost no conversation, no romance and etc, so she thought, at least that's waht she told me, why I should open my legs with a local that next morning leave forever ? I decided to open my legs with gringo, I started to earn money and have much better time, sometimes a bit of romance too.
If I just have to have sex, let's at least get some money.....
Funny as I mentioned I go to termas and she asked me tons of questions about prices, if the girls there are so nice, if they work....how the hookers in Europe and what about the price there....we are a sort of friends and every night I asked if she wants something to drink and she refuses.
She is not my type, but definetely good person.
I am almost thinking to ask her if she agrees to go one night to normal disco together, I will pay her entrance and drinks, if she will intruduce me to girls and help me to collects phone numbers :D
I don't understand why folks get so hung up on the prices, especially when you factor in the exchange rate. Brasil is still cheaper than the cost of P4P in the Western world. If you want to pay low rates for low quality then spend your time in SEA ..... plenty of cheap Charlies there and they are more than happy. Brazil isn't a budget destination and it hasn't beeen for quite some time.
If things cost a little more, spend a little more, and be happy. Life is too short to nickle & dime. Just my opinion.
- DSK
DSK, If you have the economic means to pay a girl 500-700R for TLN, then I am happy for you. I wish I could do that too, but unfortunately, I cant. I am in a situation where I can only afford to pay what I believe is reasonable and fair market value.
If you can afford to pay triple my price, more power to you! I am not wealthy, but I would hope that you would want me to have fun in brasil, just like I hope you have a ball too!
It sounds like your only beef with Sayuri was on price. I saw her and thought she was great. When I was in Rio a couple of weeks ago, MC management said that she was "traveling," which I took as a worrisome sign.
Sayuri is sexual beast in the bedroom!! I have fucked her a number of times at 4x4. I am not trying to talk shit about her at all because I think she is really nice person. We couldnt come to an agreement over the price, but I dont hold it against her at all, if she isnt willing to take my 200R, there are hundreds who will. We are still cool with each other and she gives me hugs and kisses when I see her.
DSK, If you have the economic means to pay a girl 500-700R for TLN, then I am happy for you. I wish I could do that too, but unfortunately, I cant. I am in a situation where I can only afford to pay what I believe is reasonable and fair market value.
If you can afford to pay triple my price, more power to you! I am not wealthy, but I would hope that you would want me to have fun in brasil, just like I hope you have a ball too!
Sex services is on of the few services where paying more does not mean you are "getting more". I done the 400TLN thing, and the 1/reais per minute thing. Usually, I have more fun with the cheaper spots vs. the top spots/women becuase I find the cheaper ones are usaully more out to please.
The only really good experinace I've had paying 350r was a girl that chased me for 3 nights in help. On my last night, I finally gave in a she was a blast! But I think this only happened becuase she knew she had to work for the 350r.
The most disappointing fuck I ever had in Rio came from a girl that I paid 300r too. Just had to have her upon seeing her. She was fine; but there was no chemistry, and she was clearly not interested in my satisfaction.
You live and learn: paying more doesn't always mean you are getting more!
A Brazilian asked me today why Help was so unique? I told him the truth. Guys who didn't have a prayer of scoring with women in their own country could come to Rio pretend they were in a regular nightclub and leave with a woman who would never have given them the time of day back home. Even if the economy improves, I do not think guys will come to Rio just to have sex. It was the fantasy they were after (and got). Hanging outside of Balcony just doesn't have the same feel. TA was big enough that guys could still get that fantasy feeling.Was at MC this afternoon/evening and there were about 50 girls wondering where their next meal was coming from. It was so quiet you could hear a G-String drop. Keep in mind it was coupon (free admission with a 40 minute session day). One girl complained to me that guys don't want to take her to the room they just want to get her number and meet her later. She said they weren't interested in paying her very much either.
There is some truth to that but not 100 percent true because help's quality was poor so nobodies fantasy is to be with ugly women.
Azn Safado
01-20-10, 08:02
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I am almost thinking to ask her if she agrees to go one night to normal disco together, I will pay her entrance and drinks, if she will intruduce me to girls and help me to collects phone numbers :D
Lukasek, if you see her again, ask her about "The Week" (pronouced as "The Wik"). It's a nightclub located in Centro that a couple of GDP's that I know like to go to.
I haven't really found any reviews on it in this forum (well, the word "week" is not a very user-friendly string to use in searching this board).
http://www.theweek.com.br/2008/galeria_rj.php
Azn Safado
01-20-10, 08:04
Lukasek, if you see her again, ask her about "The Week" (pronouced as "The Wik"). It's a nightclub located in Centro that a couple of GDP's that I know like to go to.
I haven't really found any reviews on it in this forum (well, the word "week" is not a very user-friendly string to use in searching this board).
http://www.theweek.com.br/2008/galeria_rj.php
On second thought, I just checked Wikipedia and it said it's Rio's biggest gay club. Am I on the right message board here? Ha.
No wonder the GDP's like to go there - they won't get hit on I guess. Oh well, it can be a conversation topic for your next encounter with her anyway. But surely with 22,000 square feet of space there has to be a lot of straight girls there.
John Cricket
01-20-10, 17:02
There is a long talking about Help, but nobody posted photos how looks like now, so I took a walk for your curiosity.On Sunday, they had a construction wall halfway built around the club's front. Brazilian music motiffs on it.
Lukasek, if you see her again, ask her about "The Week" (pronouced as "The Wik")....]
Azn Safado,
I will do it, if I remember correctly even 00 some days is gays-lesbian disco, right ? In which days ?
She told me in Lapa 40 grados is better disco than the Rio Scenarium, but I have no idea where it is and if it is really good.
Devilspinkick
01-20-10, 22:08
DSK, If you have the economic means to pay a girl 500-700R for TLN, then I am happy for you. I wish I could do that too, but unfortunately, I cant. I am in a situation where I can only afford to pay what I believe is reasonable and fair market value.
If you can afford to pay triple my price, more power to you! I am not wealthy, but I would hope that you would want me to have fun in brasil, just like I hope you have a ball too!
Sure. I wish every male the right to bang hot women and have great sex. But it doesn´t change the fact that Brazil isn´t a good place to think you can still hook up with a smoking babe and spend all night with her for less than US$100. If you haven´t noticed, Brazil is becoming more developed. It´s not a third world country and more importantly Brazilian people have to grapple with inflation, ie. everything there is getting MORE EXPENSIVE as opposed to staying the same price & forget about it getting cheaper. 150 Reais doesn´t go as far as it used to, so they have to charge a little more every time. Not so different than the USA - how much less can US$100 buy me this year compared to 10 years ago? But I digress.
The simple fact is that though I don´t consider myself to be weathly, I do have a lot of disposable income & I don´t like to waste too much time haggling with a hottie when the difference between 150 Reais and 300 Reais doesn´t mean much to me after factoring in the exchange rate. That´s just me. I´ve had great experiences for relatively low costs just as well I have had great experiences while dropping $1,000 Reais. It´s just money .... but the experiences are priceless.
Actually I just arrived in Rio this morning. It is hotter than a Mexican´s lunch down here (approx. 40 degrees celsius). Looking forward to hitting the beaches.
- DSK
Devilspinkick
01-20-10, 22:17
There is some truth to that but not 100 percent true because help's quality was poor so nobodies fantasy is to be with ugly women.
I´m with you on that one. I hope they disinfect that building before transforming it into a museum.
- DSK
Sure. I wish every male the right to bang hot women and have great sex. But it doesn't change the fact that Brazil isn't a good place to think you can still hook up with a smoking babe and spend all night with her for less than US$100. If you haven't noticed, Brazil is becoming more developed. It's not a third world country and more importantly Brazilian people have to grapple with inflation, ie. Everything there is getting MORE EXPENSIVE as opposed to staying the same price & forget about it getting cheaper. 150 Reais doesn't go as far as it used to, so they have to charge a little more every time. Not so different than the USA. How much less can US$100 buy me this year compared to 10 years ago? But I digress.
The simple fact is that though I don't consider myself to be weathly, I do have a lot of disposable income & I don't like to waste too much time haggling with a hottie when the difference between 150 Reais and 300 Reais doesn't mean much to me after factoring in the exchange rate. That's just me. I've had great experiences for relatively low costs just as well I have had great experiences while dropping $1, 000 Reais. It's just money. But the experiences are priceless.
Actually I just arrived in Rio this morning. It is hotter than a Mexican's lunch down here (approx. 40 degrees celsius). Looking forward to hitting the beaches.
DSKI hear what you're saying but I def think your type of thinking is one of the reasons why these girls get away with some of their crazy pricing demands. 1000r? That's insane, but hey that's you and you can do as you please. Problem is not everybody has a lot of disposable income and not everybody feels like "it's just money" so when you drive the price of ass up you basically make it harder for everybody else who doesn't share your "its just money" feelings. I'm sure you've heard this before and theres not much I can say to change your mind. I just hope that your taste in women is not anything like mine.
Azn Safado
01-21-10, 04:31
Azn Safado,
I will do it, if I remember correctly even 00 some days is gays-lesbian disco, right ? In which days ?
She told me in Lapa 40 grados is better disco than the Rio Scenarium, but I have no idea where it is and if it is really good.
Yes Club00 is gay-night on some nights, but I don't know which night. I went on a Saturday night, and it was a straight crowd, sprinkled in with some gays.
The thing about The Week is it only runs as a disco on Saturday nights as far as I know, so it will be gay night. It could work in your favor though, as you might be one of the few straight guys there and can chat it up with the ladies where their guard might be down.
Azn Safado,
I will do it, if I remember correctly even 00 some days is gays-lesbian disco, right ? In which days ?
Sunday is one such night
gents,
any info on options for tln now (post-helpee).
balcony? barbarella? ??
peace.
b.
A Brazilian asked me today why Help was so unique? I told him the truth. Guys who didn't have a prayer of scoring with women in their own country could come to Rio pretend they were in a regular nightclub and leave with a woman who would never have given them the time of day back home. Even if the economy improves, I do not think guys will come to Rio just to have sex. It was the fantasy they were after (and got). Hanging outside of Balcony just doesn't have the same feel. TA was big enough that guys could still get that fantasy feeling.Well, I can't speak for other guys but from what I saw in front of Help and inside it, you'd have to be pretty delusional to able to "pretend they were in a regular nightclub."
I would be the first to admit that I'm no Don Juan but it seemed to me most of the guys there also didn't think it was their looks and charms that was convincing the girls to go off with them, LOL!
Fantasy is nice, I like fantasy. But I also like reality. Particularly the reality of a good sex session at a reasonable price with a young pretty girl (who's a bit poor and needs my money) with little bullshit and courtship involved. I really like that reality!
Was at MC this afternoon/evening and there were about 50 girls wondering where their next meal was coming from. It was so quiet you could hear a G-String drop.Now that's a hilarious line!
The termas has that same fantasy feel. Going into a bar and having sex with any girl there.I do agree with you here that the termas is more like a fantasy world. It's a lot of fun and I enjoy it, but you've got to be crazy to think these girls really feel anything for you once you step out of the venue. Heck, the notion of one of these chicks "falling for me" scares me more than lifts my ego!
SlimHoleDrill
01-21-10, 11:06
look, nothing has changed in the ternas (except prices). you just need to understand rio. this is jan. and a lot of people in rio go on vacation. i reckon that most of the people in termas either live in rio or come there on business. when people are on vacation, you can't have meetings so business travel to rio between dec. and canaval is always way down. no offense to the people on this board, but i just don't think the number of sex tourists is that big in the termas. help was another story.
let me assure you, there are still beautiful girls in the termas with even more beautiful attitudes. if you can't have fun in a quiet terma, try a little harder. think about your job. do you like it when nothing is happening? same with the girls, so go in and make it happen. they will love you for it.
as an example, i went to l during a big futball match and i was the only guy in the place. the girls were sitting around, legs draped on each other, cuddling like a bunch of cats. almost licking each other. for the first time i understood where 'cat house' came from. i spied a couple of new faces, ordered a bottle of wine and sat between them. they immediately warmed up and came alive. i shared the wine, bought a few drinks and i was king of the hill. i had an excptional session and when i came back out, after a few minutes i was double teamed by carolina and someone else i forget and they wanted tequila shots. how could i resist?
up to you but a quiet terma can be a blast.
i am sure the economy and higher prices also have an effect but people will get used to it.
Just a couple of observations:
Meia Pattaca: Empty most of yesterday. I haven't eaten there for years, but I always rent an apartment near by. At 2 p.m., (14:00) there was not one customer there, but 6 waiters in white standing around. In the evening, a couple of Brazilian families eating a late dinner. Not one GDP or potential customer. Clearly the days of this location as "Meia Putteria" are over. (Is Hooker Beach next on the death knoll?)
Loumo: Was open yesterday, despite the religious holiday. Apparently, based upon conversation with other guys, everywhere else was closed, ie: MC, Centaurus, etc. Talked to Bia who said that she believes that the American tourist volume is way down, mostly due to the devaluation of the dollar compared to the real. Same thing for most of Europe, except for the Italians. (Don't know why it wouldn't effect them, thought they used Euro's too!) Still a slow night, but the girls were friendly and fun. A smile and a fun attitude and the place comes alive. If you sit there quietly and don't interact, it could be pretty dull.
As to Non-Pros: A friend with NO Portuguese and first time in Brasil, but no lack of courage, has been walking up to and talking to girls in the street all the time. A couple of joggers, a girl looking in a store window, etc. Of about 10, only one wouldn't talk to him and give him a telephone number. We'll see how well the later rendezvous work, but surely suggests that a measure of confidence (translated: no fear of rejection) is the most important ingredient in meeting girls on the street. Oh, and these were clerks, accountant, female taxi driver, etc. Not GDP, or at least not full time.
Look, nothing has changed in the ternas (except prices)...
Let me assure you, there are still beautiful girls in the termas with even more beautiful attitudes.,,,so go in and make it happen. They will love you for it.
I spied a couple of new faces, ordered a bottle of wine and sat between them. They immediately warmed up and came alive....
SlimHoleDrill,
I was here exactly one year ago and despite the prices a lot changed.
Girls that ask how is in the other termas and if the girls there work is nothing never happens to me last year.
I think girls and not me or us, are depressing.
My idea of terma is where girls make me come alive, cause I pay them, not they me.
Actually i do not need to somebody makes me come alive, but I do not need boring girls with crossed arms around me at these prices only because they have pussy, I do not need pussy to live and even less I need terma with so low vibe.
...Still a slow night, but the girls were friendly and fun. A smile and a fun attitude and the place comes alive....
Delecti,
I agree, but yesterday was my third times in 10 days at luomo, the other two times it was pretty dead, yesterday they was lucky, as with the other places closed all the customers met in only one terma, from today it will be different again at luomo as the few customers, much less than one year before, will spread out in all the termas.
John Cricket
01-21-10, 13:53
Meia Pattaca: Empty most of yesterday. I haven't eaten there for years, but I always rent an apartment near by. At 2 p.m., (14:00) there was not one customer there, but 6 waiters in white standing around. In the evening, a couple of Brazilian families eating a late dinner. Not one GDP or potential customer. Clearly the days of this location as "Meia Putteria" are over. (Is Hooker Beach next on the death knoll?).Well, it WAS a holiday, after all, and a lot of people headed for the hills.
As to Non-Pros: A friend with NO Portuguese and first time in Brasil, but no lack of courage, has been walking up to and talking to girls in the street all the time. A couple of joggers, a girl looking in a store window, etc. Of about 10, only one wouldn't talk to him and give him a telephone number. We'll see how well the later rendezvous work, but surely suggests that a measure of confidence (translated: no fear of rejection) is the most important ingredient in meeting girls on the street. Oh, and these were clerks, accountant, female taxi driver, etc. Not GDP, or at least not full time.
My wingman used to do this, he was brilliant at it. We would mostly work the subways and the street but also Maracana. He had zero Porto as well but many of the educated girls would know a smattering of English. When he ran out of chat I´d take over and vice versa. We used to challenge each other to chat up the most attractive, non-chat-up-able girls we could see. We mostly got phone numbers, never an outright rejection.
Another tactic is similar to the one mentioned by Lukasek - we´d pay them into a nightclub. Not just to collect phone numbers - but to use them as bait. Especially good if they are very hot looking but maybe not up for it the first night. Then we´d put them in a taxi and go back in the club.
Conc.132 Niteroi
20R entrance inc 4 choppe
1hr 190R.
Offered A enthusiastically without it being requested. Opening time last Tuesday was 8pm, a little later than I remember it before. I asked what time they shut - no fixed time, but maybe around 2am. Rooms not as cold as 4x4. Optional lockers and normal clothes in the lounges/bars/dance area. She got a bit aggreived that I wasn´t too bothered about accepting her phone number so I took it anyway.
Papae Noel
01-21-10, 20:36
On the LatinEuro site, select BR1328 and there is a pic of a girl inside Help, I believe. Slimtower says it's definitely inside Help. Anyone know her?
I posted the link in a previous post - now that link takes you to a different girl.
Jamaicanceo
01-21-10, 22:10
look, nothing has changed in the ternas (except prices). you just need to understand rio. this is jan. and a lot of people in rio go on vacation. i reckon that most of the people in termas either live in rio or come there on business. when people are on vacation, you can't have meetings so business travel to rio between dec. and canaval is always way down. no offense to the people on this board, but i just don't think the number of sex tourists is that big in the termas. help was another story.
let me assure you, there are still beautiful girls in the termas with even more beautiful attitudes. if you can't have fun in a quiet terma, try a little harder. think about your job. do you like it when nothing is happening? same with the girls, so go in and make it happen. they will love you for it.
as an example, i went to l during a big futball match and i was the only guy in the place. the girls were sitting around, legs draped on each other, cuddling like a bunch of cats. almost licking each other. for the first time i understood where 'cat house' came from. i spied a couple of new faces, ordered a bottle of wine and sat between them. they immediately warmed up and came alive. i shared the wine, bought a few drinks and i was king of the hill. i had an excptional session and when i came back out, after a few minutes i was double teamed by carolina and someone else i forget and they wanted tequila shots. how could i resist?
up to you but a quiet terma can be a blast.
i am sure the economy and higher prices also have an effect but people will get used to it.i agree with you slim. but when i was a young salesman, i was only good as my last sale. if you're selling tires and people are walking into the shop and there are more ambitious salesman than i then he will get the sale. however, if a customer walls into the business and no on approaches and makes him comfortable until some one is able to service him then he will leave and go where they want his business. terma girls are selling sex, so they need to act like they want a customer to spend their money. i'm not going to kiss someone's ass and pay too. with that attitude a salesman will starve, and the same for gdp.
Check always your bill, you can find not nice surprise and when they correct it immediately and they say nothing, it is clear they plan in advance to fuck you, cause most of gringos pay without check the bill and they know it....
Check always your bill, you can find not nice surprise and when they correct it immediately and they say nothing, it is clear they plan in advance to fuck you, cause most of gringos pay without check the bill and they know it....
Tell me about it, receptionist got mad at me when I pointed out my bill was incorrect several times, had to call the manager because she couldn't figure it out. Here's a thought, if they try to pad your bill, dispute some of the legitimate charges, maybe that will cause them to have second thoughts about adding some extra stuff.
SlimHoleDrill
01-22-10, 18:44
SlimHoleDrill,
I was here exactly one year ago and despite the prices a lot changed.
Girls that ask how is in the other termas and if the girls there work is nothing never happens to me last year.
I think girls and not me or us, are depressing.
My idea of terma is where girls make me come alive, cause I pay them, not they me.
Actually i do not need to somebody makes me come alive, but I do not need boring girls with crossed arms around me at these prices only because they have pussy, I do not need pussy to live and even less I need terma with so low vibe.
Delecti,
I agree, but yesterday was my third times in 10 days at luomo, the other two times it was pretty dead, yesterday they was lucky, as with the other places closed all the customers met in only one terma, from today it will be different again at luomo as the few customers, much less than one year before, will spread out in all the termas.
Hey, no problem. It's all just IMHO. YMMV. If you make visits to Rio, you will undoubtedly find conditions different, sometimes better for you, sometimes worse. Sorry it seems not to be working very well for you this time. It can be pretty frustrating if your time is limited and your expectations are not being fulfilled. If you like company you can try 22. But it is down market and usually not (m)any gringos. There should be other guys hanging around so that the place is 'rocking' as much as it ever is. On th other end of the economic scale, probably Centauras will have some activity.
Anyway, the girls always complain when it gets slow. I was only sharing one way to deal with that. I personally don't like it so much when the places are packed. But a moderate amount of activity is nice. I have decided I have no control over this aspect and that I will have fun regardless. To each his own. And as I said, it's all IMHO and YMMV.
SlimHoleDrill
01-22-10, 18:56
Check always your bill, you can find not nice surprise and when they correct it immediately and they say nothing, it is clear they plan in advance to fuck you, cause most of gringos pay without check the bill and they know it....
I don't think they do it on purpose. That would be bad for business. They argue with you because the system is automated so how can there be a mistake. LOL. Also because guys get drunk and forget what they did. But definitely check carefully because mistakes do happen. And if you are sure, stay calm but stand your ground.
I don't think they do it on purpose. That would be bad for business. They argue with you because the system is automated so how can there be a mistake. LOL. Also because guys get drunk and forget what they did. But definitely check carefully because mistakes do happen. And if you are sure, stay calm but stand your ground.
Some places could care less if you complain. I remember about 2 years ago MC had a big problem with drinks being on monger's bills. They had bills where they supposedly ordered 10 red bulls and vodka or 10 tequilas. When the guy would b*tched up a storm, they would knock like 3 drinks off the bill!!!
I let it be known as soon as I stepped foot in the place. When I came around the corner, the manager was standing right there. I immediately said "I hope you guys got your computer fixed. You guys are getting bad reputation on the internet for adding drinks to american's bills and them forcing them to pay when they leave! Did you resolve that problems yet?"
He just looked at me and said "oh yes, yes! We took care of that, that doesnt happen anymore!" One of the few times that mentioning the internet worked out for me.
I let it be known as soon as I stepped foot in the place. When I came around the corner, the manager was standing right there. I immediately said "I hope you guys got your computer fixed. You guys are getting bad reputation on the internet for adding drinks to american's bills and them forcing them to pay when they leave! Did you resolve that problems yet?"
He just looked at me and said "oh yes, yes! We took care of that, that doesnt happen anymore!"
Great tactics. Pre-empting any aggro. Bitching afterwards has rarely got me anywhere. I´d like to think it was accidental - I would always suggest it was - as you did - so they can save face as well as ´correct´it. I love the expression on guys faces when they are adding up bills - often putting little numbers in a box on a big sheet. Creative stuff - a bit like sudoko only with many more than one right answer . . .
Treat it as a game. One you gonna win but without ripping the other guy´s throat out. The object is to get your money´s worth and a fair deal - not spill blood lol. He´s probably just been told to get away with it if he can, but not to the extent of pissing people off. If people act pissed off big time afterwards there´s not exactly that much to gain by giving them money back.
Exec Talent
01-22-10, 22:11
Some places could care less if you complain. I remember about 2 years ago MC had a big problem with drinks being on monger's bills. They had bills where they supposedly ordered 10 red bulls and vodka or 10 tequilas. When the guy would b*tched up a storm, they would knock like 3 drinks off the bill!!!
I let it be known as soon as I stepped foot in the place. When I came around the corner, the manager was standing right there. I immediately said "I hope you guys got your computer fixed. You guys are getting bad reputation on the internet for adding drinks to american's bills and them forcing them to pay when they leave! Did you resolve that problems yet?"
He just looked at me and said "oh yes, yes! We took care of that, that doesnt happen anymore!" One of the few times that mentioning the internet worked out for me.
I used to see a girl who worked at Centaurus. One night they tried to charge me for 16 caipirinhas. They called her to the front desk which was a mistake. She weighted all of 98 lbs and although we had not had 16 she had had a few. They expected her to back them up but instead she really went off on them. No one asked for a tip after that.
Anyone know what the current entrance fee (or the fee to hang out, listen to music and gather phone numbers) at Centaurus? It was R$120.
BTW, never have had drinks added to my bill at MC and at L'uomo checkout on several occasions I have had to tell them that they actually missed a few drinks.
He´s probably just been told to get away with it if he can, but not to the extent of pissing people off. If people act pissed off big time afterwards there´s not exactly that much to gain by giving them money back.I do not think they pad bills intentionally. Often bills do not have drinks on them that I ordered. I think they just make mistakes and put the wrong number down. It is easy to do.
Azn Safado
01-23-10, 05:28
I do not think they pad bills intentionally. Often bills do not have drinks on them that I ordered. I think they just make mistakes and put the wrong number down. It is easy to do.
Probably half the time the bartender glances at your key number and with the dim lighting, sees a different number. They could probably use the swipe-card technology that Nuth Lounge uses to better account for drinks.
Icyhoteric
01-23-10, 06:12
Yes Club00 is gay-night on some nights, but I don't know which night. I went on a Saturday night, and it was a straight crowd, sprinkled in with some gays.
The thing about The Week is it only runs as a disco on Saturday nights as far as I know, so it will be gay night. It could work in your favor though, as you might be one of the few straight guys there and can chat it up with the ladies where their guard might be down.
If you are going to ask the girls about The Week, they pronounce it "Day Weekie"... The first time I heard about it I got stuck next to a gay guy from Miami to GIG, he told me that he goes with 6 girls, they love him because he's gay and pays for everything and that they would never touch me.... way too high priced but they love to go there... Sat night its "open" and a "gay-friendly" club... Friday is from what I hear more of a "closed" party, I went with a bunch of termas girls celebrating the bday of their manager and it was batshit crazy unbelievable... I would take a girl in the post Help era there just to see how many girls there are that are actually available and ready... the girls I asked about Sat night there say there are a lot of gay guys though.. they don't even try to kiss them when dancing... if you have been to enough BRazilian clubs then you know that means probably more gay guys than you want to be there because these girls will kiss anything that moves... girls love the place though... if you even bring it up they will get excited... it's in Praca Maua... a bit different than Florida but not too far... if anything it's a good conversation piece in the termas and places like Barbarellas... maybe I'll get there again in March when I return and post ...
If you are going to ask the girls about The Week, they pronounce it "Day Weekie". The first time I heard about it I got stuck next to a gay guy from Miami to GIG, he told me that he goes with 6 girls, they love him because he's gay and pays for everything and that they would never touch me. Way too high priced but they love to go there. Sat night its "open" and a "gay-friendly" club. Friday is from what I hear more of a "closed" party, I went with a bunch of termas girls celebrating the bday of their manager and it was batshit crazy unbelievable. I would take a girl in the post Help era there just to see how many girls there are that are actually available and ready. The girls I asked about Sat night there say there are a lot of gay guys though. They don't even try to kiss them when dancing. If you have been to enough BRazilian clubs then you know that means probably more gay guys than you want to be there because these girls will kiss anything that moves. Girls love the place though. If you even bring it up they will get excited. It's in Praca Maua. A bit different than Florida but not too far. If anything it's a good conversation piece in the termas and places like Barbarellas. Maybe I'll get there again in March when I return and post.So your saying you can pick up nice looking girls in there because there are so many gaybirds there?
I've seen mistakes on virtually every bill. But I am convinced it is not thievery, it is just poor record keeping. There is a reason that the waiters and bartenders are not allowed to keep the tabs; their math skills aren't very good. So there is always a separate cashier.
At Balcony, I was with a friend that left, of course I picked up his tab for the table. When I specifically ordered one more beer, waiter first brought two. When he realized his mistake, he took one back, unopened. But they were both on my bill. But also quickly corrected.
A Brazilian sitting next to me also had an extra drink on her bill. Remember, drinks get billed normally based upon which table you are at. If someone standing near your table orders a drink, it can easily be billed to your tab. I believe that they just aren't that meticulous at keeping track of it all. But I have never had a problem getting it corrected.
ps: also mistakes in Luomo and 4x4 this week, all promptly corrected.
It seems you guys are all sure the mistakes are accidentally cause brazilians are not good in math.....so why when there is a mistake in the bill in 99% of cases you are gonna to pay more and not less ???
If they are really ACCIDENTAL you have 50% of chance to pay more or less, but in 3 times in Rio 4 times I found more drinks that I drunk and not one time I found less......think about it.....
Smooth Slim
01-23-10, 20:15
Interesting NYT report on the crime fight in Rio.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/17/world/americas/17rio.html
It seems you guys are all sure the mistakes are accidentally cause brazilians are not good in math.....so why when there is a mistake in the bill in 99% of cases you are gonna to pay more and not less ???
If they are really ACCIDENTAL you have 50% of chance to pay more or less, but in 3 times in Rio 4 times I found more drinks that I drunk and not one time I found less......think about it.....Well it is certainly possible that errors are intentional but that has not been my experience. Only going off of memory I would say the times I was charged an extra drink are about the same as the times I was not charged for a drink. Other times a beer will be charged as a suco so I think it is often just simple human error. Of course I do not usually drink much so I would notice an extra drink out of 4. It is possible that the padding is done on a tab of 20 drinks but I have no anecdotal evidence to support this.
Also, I look to motivation. By adding drinks the bartender only gets a share of 10% of that. Sure it could add up but it would take a lot of drinks to earn him/her significant money.
If management is behind this conspiracy, perhaps it depends on the type of customer. I do not buy many drinks but I buy a lot of sessions. It would not pay to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off. Also, since I am not "pissed" I will more easily spot errors than someone who is falling down drunk.
Another thing to consider. Girls can order drinks without your key. They just tell the bartender your number. That is an accident (or robbery) waiting to happen. I see at 4x4 now they scan a barcode for a session. Maybe the bars will go to this system soon which should eliminate a lot of errors.
What I have seen often, and makes a direct impact, is reception girls short-changing on bills. I have even seen them quote a higher number than is on there. That is saying, "570" when the bill is 566.
Not new news but an interesting article none the less:
http://www.brazzilmag.com/component/content/article/81-january-2010/11662-it-was-a-long-goodbye-but-help-rios-sex-temple-is-closed.html
Good comments by our friend Thad after the article as usual.
Icyhoteric
01-24-10, 04:46
So your saying you can pick up nice looking girls in there because there are so many gaybirds there?
I don't know... I went there on a Friday night, I'll probably go one Satruday night with a few girls .... maybe... we'll see what options are around in the next few years...
Devilspinkick
01-24-10, 16:19
While touring the sites and meeting old friends (and making new ones), I must say that I like the changes I´ve seen. I witnessed the dry husk of the former HELP discoteca now boarded over and covered by a nice mural. Have had plenty of opportunities to utilize the new General Osorio/Ipanema metro stop; great new addition to the metro and it certainly helps getting from Ipanema through to the Zona Norte more expediant. They completely revamped the upstairs boate at 4X4, it´s much smaller now but it has a new-age look to it. Unfortunately it is just as devoid of garotas as it was before. At least they added more rooms for play. Also, the interior of 4X4 has a new paint job. The new lounge at L'uomo is much smaller than it used to be as well .... it´s no longer a good spot to lay around with a mulher and pass some quality time. This is the only change that I don´t really care for.
For guys who like ladies on the slim side (I personally prefer skinny chicks) the best Termas I´ve seen on this trip are 1) Solarium, 2) L'uomo, & 3) Termas 65. Those places have at least a handful of lean gals. I met a fellow monger who says the quality of women at Centaurus is pretty good. He has tastes similar to mine and, like me, he prefers ''chicas magras''. But since I refuse to go to Centaurus I won't be able to verify it. 4X4 & Monte Carlo mostly have a lot of ''thick'' chicks.
On a side note, I visited a farmacia to buy some bandaids and the guy at the desk asked me if I wanted to get some viagra. He handed me a box with the name ''Vegamed'' on it. 4 generic viagra pills for approx. R$64. Not a bad deal I reckon. Said no thanks, but if I should need some later at least I now know where to go.
''O tempora, O mores''
- DSK
Mr Enternational
01-25-10, 07:31
Next to Balcony is a place called Doce Dita, upstairs small, but seems as if
Help girls are there, 30 reals gets you two drinks, hear they have rooms, only
show on the Beach now.
Exec Talent
01-25-10, 14:19
Also has rooms (2) as they are. Not very private and only pullout vinyl couches. The club norm of R$30 for two drinks. Pole dances and a lesbian show. Some decent looking girls. Right around the corner from Balcony on Duvier.
Hi guys,
Could you tell me if the area around Miguel Lemos street has become safer since the closure of Help.
I have rented an apartment at No. 8 Miguel Lemos Street from Saturday 27 February to Sunday, March 7.
Are garotas still on Otheon beach?
Well guys how are you ?
I was sick, throat pain and fever for couple of days, I moved to hotel...I should write a report about this.....and nothing nice to report here.
5 days with no sex at all, 2-3 days sick, then I wanted a real great girl.
Montecarlo was shitty dead on sunday and do not tell me, sunday is sunday, when I went there there were 5 girls and 12 men !
Then arrived 5 or 6 more girls, but it was really depressing atmosphere, the same old story of girl yawning, crossed arms or....too pushy that ask directly do you want sex or no ? Funny enough when at 23:05 there were about 15 men, the dj said the last time to go to bedroom will be 23:20, no later.
Some were talking with a girl as me, but then I thought, who cares ? Now that it is quite good crowded,with customers, they hurry up to close ?
The sad and bad vibe of girls do not help me to decide to go to bedroom with average girl and I am not gonna to offer tons of drinks to make come alive the girls. Entrance and couple of drinks for me and it is about 50 euro, more than enough if you consider 50 euro is 30 minutes of dfk,owo,daty in FKK....
Then to Solarium and it was not on sunday, me and my 2 friends, we all left about after 3 hours with no sex at all, my friend also paid drinks to more than one girl, more to curious to see what will happen. ( her bill was close to 250 reais just for entrance and drinks ).
Well more than one girl neither said thanks for a drink, some others drunk it fast and asked for another one, lets say to see how they behave, in so bitcchy attitude, was the most funny thing to do there.
Big problem of solarium, a bit too expensive price with 320 reais 40 minutes hour and 420 reais 1 hour.....last girl I banged there total bill was 480 and something, so 200 euro and as 4 girls in FKK....
Also with only 6 cabine (40 minutes) and one suite (1 hour), you can end to wait a lot to get a free cabine and if you pay for one hour, they try to convince you to go to cabine, much smaller, for the same price.
Solarium is surely working a much more than the other termas, but for me it will not last too much....
So we left and I decided to go to Centaurus....but this it will deserve another specific report.....I go to the beach, the only thing that did not get worst from last year......oh Balcony ? Yesterday too much young kids asking non stop for money.....think all the kids you got in front of help are all the time around balcony.....and you stand up there....
Cheers guys
Hi guys,
Could you tell me if the area around Miguel Lemos street has become safer since the closure of Help.
I have rented an apartment at No. 8 Miguel Lemos Street from Saturday 27 February to Sunday, March 7.
Are garotas still on Otheon beach?
Math92,
I would say yes, there are much less gringo, so much less money walking there.
I am almost every second day at the beach in front of rio othon, but I do not see much girls there and the same in fron of caesar park post 9 in ipa.
This place opens and shuts faster than knicker elastic, but if you are passing thru saara . . .
Big wide stairs, quite grand, and a mirror facing you at the top. It really could be a beautiful place. But at the moment it is 1R a minute starting at 10R for 10mins. Advertises as open from 9am to 10pm but there were only two women on when I looked in this afternoon.
I now have a nice white hat
Well guys how are you ?
I was sick, throat pain and fever for couple of days, I moved to hotel...I should write a report about this.....and nothing nice to report here.
5 days with no sex at all, 2-3 days sick, then I wanted a real great girl.
Montecarlo was shitty dead on sunday and do not tell me, sunday is sunday, when I went there there were 5 girls and 12 men !
Then arrived 5 or 6 more girls, but it was really depressing atmosphere, the same old story of girl yawning, crossed arms or....too pushy that ask directly do you want sex or no ? Funny enough when at 23:05 there were about 15 men, the dj said the last time to go to bedroom will be 23:20, no later.
Some were talking with a girl as me, but then I thought, who cares ? Now that it is quite good crowded,with customers, they hurry up to close ?
The sad and bad vibe of girls do not help me to decide to go to bedroom with average girl and I am not gonna to offer tons of drinks to make come alive the girls. Entrance and couple of drinks for me and it is about 50 euro, more than enough if you consider 50 euro is 30 minutes of dfk,owo,daty in FKK....
Then to Solarium and it was not on sunday, me and my 2 friends, we all left about after 3 hours with no sex at all, my friend also paid drinks to more than one girl, more to curious to see what will happen. ( her bill was close to 250 reais just for entrance and drinks ).
Well more than one girl neither said thanks for a drink, some others drunk it fast and asked for another one, lets say to see how they behave, in so bitcchy attitude, was the most funny thing to do there.
Big problem of solarium, a bit too expensive price with 320 reais 40 minutes hour and 420 reais 1 hour.....last girl I banged there total bill was 480 and something, so 200 euro and as 4 girls in FKK....
Also with only 6 cabine (40 minutes) and one suite (1 hour), you can end to wait a lot to get a free cabine and if you pay for one hour, they try to convince you to go to cabine, much smaller, for the same price.
Solarium is surely working a much more than the other termas, but for me it will not last too much....
So we left and I decided to go to Centaurus....but this it will deserve another specific report.....I go to the beach, the only thing that did not get worst from last year......oh Balcony ? Yesterday too much young kids asking non stop for money.....think all the kids you got in front of help are all the time around balcony.....and you stand up there....
Cheers guys
Cheers?
You are fucking killing me with your depressing reports:(
I am coming to GIG in a months but I should have booked flight to ukraine or something...
Jamaicanceo
01-27-10, 08:08
well, i went to rio at 6pm, and i felt the post help change at meia pataca. the place was full, but not with the traditional monger action. besides the few mongers who live in rio, it was like being at a european tourist reunion. nothing but tourists at every table.
there's a new rules that if a girls is not buying food, she can no longer occupy a table and nurse a drink. it explains why there were girls out the outside of the hedges pacing. there were a few girls who sat for short periods and left. and smoking is not allowed. prices was outrageously high but the food was good; garlic frango pieces, small rice and small broccoli rice with 3 choppees. r71.00 including the already included tip.
bill on of my favorite waiters there said the meia pataca closing has efected their money. the begging kids weren't no where to be seen. however, 2 pregnant girls try to solicit me and a friend to session with them. of course we said no.
i went to monte carlo and sessioned with a real tigeress. she looked like a young ingrid. i first thought she was. the place was busy, but as lusek reported, the girls either at around and yawned, or they ratpack you. two gilrs came at me for a dupla, but i chose the ingrid look a like. she was brown, small breast with big brown nipples, small tight bubble, nice hip spread and beautiful thighs, calves, ankles and feet. her hair was long and black down her i told her completa, 1 hour and small room.
the manager took 15 minutes to verify the session, so the wait was eternal. however, she was boner material that the wood was ready.
we went to the room that was the size i made sure everyone understood. i got hit before with the wrong size room at mc. baby ingrid came in with a red nightgown and we went at it. she did a sloppy bbbj, road on top cowgirl ride; great anal that was clean, and come in mouth.
after the session she granted my request for her number and email. she told me if i dropped her information, she could be fined r800.00. she also invited me to her samba school. i also got the number from another sexy girl from mc. i guess the girls are trying for off-duty action.
damage: 1 hour, small room and i water came to r459.00 for using a credit card. that's fucking ridiculous.
after i walked over to balcony. it was a zoo. i saw meia pataca and help regulars with a bunch of other local talent who heavily flirtded. definitely a buyers paradise.
i picked up 3 numbers. one is a mp regular who is a married lesbian to an american. she is a beautiful amazon, short with big tits, who only fuck men for money; one girl was going into the ladies restroom as i was going out - tall pretty sexy blond, who flirted, gave me her number but said i cold call her tomorrow because she is with another guy at the moment; and the last was heavily flirting and sexy, so i got her info. i was not in the mood for company after my mc encounter.
seems like all the girls were asking for r200.00 for 2 hours. i am cool with that as long it means 2 orgasmos for me. oh, and i saw renata and her crew. the helpee girls are struggling; meia pataca girls have the restaurant experience to handle balcony. but the new copa is better for mongering and not good for the garotas. many helpee girls looked shell shocked!
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Cheers?
You are fucking killing me with your depressing reports:(
I am coming to GIG in a months but I should have booked flight to ukraine or something...
Hey Lukasek! - Bizzie is right. You need to snap out of your funk dude. Go get a vitamin "C" shot or something. Better still, go to the juice bar and get some suco de acerola.
Maybe you need a change of venue? Get on a bus and go for a road trip to Buzios for a few days. Hey Bizzie - want to guess who has set up shop in Buzios?
Math92,
I am almost every second day at the beach in front of rio othon, but I do not see much girls there and the same in fron of caesar park post 9 in ipa.
When Ho beach had Ho's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjXlS8L2F4o
So as a long time contributer to this board, I have a question for fellow mongers. Is it still worth it to come to Rio. Sounds as if the Help closing has put the mongering scene into chaos and prices have spiraled totally out of control over the last couple years. It sounds like a trip to a terma is now costing almost US $200 and the talent level is way down. Somebody please either convince me that it's the same old Rio or tell me that I should try Colombia or somewhwere else instead. LOL. Thanks.
So as a long time contributer to this board, I have a question for fellow mongers. Is it still worth it to come to Rio. Sounds as if the Help closing has put the mongering scene into chaos and prices have spiraled totally out of control over the last couple years. It sounds like a trip to a terma is now costing almost US $200 and the talent level is way down. Somebody please either convince me that it's the same old Rio or tell me that I should try Colombia or somewhwere else instead. LOL. Thanks. Lance,
You raise an interesting question. But I suppose it all depends on how much effort you want to put into it. I think HELP just made EVERYONE sort of lazy. Both us and the girls. We always knew that one way or the other we could just wander down to the meat market pretty much any night of the week and pick up some "take-out". Conversely, the girls always knew that they had a pretty fair shake of getting a trick by going down to HELP any night of the week provided they were willing to be competitive.
To say that mongering is dead in Rio is ridiculous. It's certainly not as dead easy as it was before, but the game has certainly changed. And while some of the girls have moved on to greener pastures, I would bet that more than 50% of them are still living in Rio. The question is, "where are they"?
If you have limited time and inclination to go out and blaze a new trail, then you are probably better off going to Colombia or Peru. Or hell, why not try Sao Paulo? Accommodations are more expensive, but pussy comes in all price ranges and there's no shortage of it. But damnit, someone has to figure out and figure out the new game and report it to the rest of us. I have business reasons for being in Rio several times a year and I will certainly be looking for the new "path" on my next trip.
There are probably a few dozen members of this board (and you KNOW who you are) who are laughing their heads off because they are making out JUST FINE without HELP. Be it the Termas, be it VM, be it Club 00..... where ever.
If you don't have time to find a new path, that's cool - branch out and try out another well worn path. But don't write off Rio entirely just because the "Deer feeder" is empty.
Dickweed780
01-27-10, 19:57
Hello, my friends of termas.
How are we all doing today.
Well for starters I arrived two days ago.
I was old that brazil has pretty good termas so I asked around about the termas.
I was that MC and Luomo are one of best in copacabana.
So I went to check them out MC (Monte Carlo) was pretty empty but there are some nice looking girls did not like the way the girls talked to so I just sat around had few drinks on my out I met a british guy that was going to to luomo so I joined up with him when we got there we where greeted by a very friendly security guard at the he opened up for us and we went in at the reciption we where told about the prices and how the house works.
Well to cut along story short there were few girls inside but pretty hot one they where all very friendly I took one girl very sexy and new what she was doing.
The barmen there very profissional servied me well I spoke to call barry nice guy and also fabio I would like to thank them for helping pick a girl.
I did not have any problems at loumo.
I am sorry to hear that some guys had a few problems there.
Well my friends lots of sex and and lots of love to give to these fantastic girls.
Congratulations loumo for a great night.
I am off.
Dickweed780
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Rock Harders
01-27-10, 20:06
Mongers-
I was in Rio on the last night of Help and for several nights afterwards back in early January. Essentially, from what I saw, heard, and experienced, this is how it is going to shake out at least for the time being: The highest end Help girls, the 8's and 9's, 21-28 year old, lighter skinned specimens, will be doing their thing out of Barbarella for the most part (at least the ones who can deal with some level of management control and oversight); the high end that don't want to deal with that will be freelancing in places such as Melt, Shenanigans, and/or 00. The lower end Help girls will be working at Balcony and Avenida Atlantica for the most part. In my opinion and experience Balcony has been flooded with the bottom of the barrel favela rat types because there is no control about who enters the place for either customers or garotas. I would also be careful about Balcony because there were a large number of street hustlers floating around the place as there is no security from what I saw.
Believe me, there are still a plethora of options for scoring nice pussy in Rio de Janeiro. The number of part-timers available will not be going down anytime in the near future as long as the average salary in Rio is less than R$ 1000 per month. For high end girls at the fairest price, I recommend frequenting the places I listed above and also high end termas with the idea of entering, banging the garota one time in the termas, getting her phone number, and then having her available on reserve outside the termas for a much better value.
Sorte,
Rock Harders
Lance,
You raise an interesting question. But I suppose it all depends on how much effort you want to put into it. I think HELP just made EVERYONE sort of lazy. Both us and the girls. We always knew that one way or the other we could just wander down to the meat market pretty much any night of the week and pick up some "take-out". Conversely, the girls always knew that they had a pretty fair shake of getting a trick by going down to HELP any night of the week provided they were willing to be competitive.
To say that mongering is dead in Rio is ridiculous. It's certainly not as dead easy as it was before, but the game has certainly changed. And while some of the girls have moved on to greener pastures, I would bet that more than 50% of them are still living in Rio. The question is, "where are they"?
If you have limited time and inclination to go out and blaze a new trail, then you are probably better off going to Colombia or Peru. Or hell, why not try Sao Paulo? Accommodations are more expensive, but pussy comes in all price ranges and there's no shortage of it. But damnit, someone has to figure out and figure out the new game and report it to the rest of us. I have business reasons for being in Rio several times a year and I will certainly be looking for the new "path" on my next trip.
There are probably a few dozen members of this board (and you KNOW who you are) who are laughing their heads off because they are making out JUST FINE without HELP. Be it the Termas, be it VM, be it Club 00..... where ever.
If you don't have time to find a new path, that's cool - branch out and try out another well worn path. But don't write off Rio entirely just because the "Deer feeder" is empty.
Thanks Jake,
Time isn't my issue at all. Money isn't a big issue, but these new prices I'm hearing at termas in reports are out of control. 1 hour with a girl and 1 water $450 reals. What is that about? I use to do Help, TA, and the first and 2nd level termas. Even the 2nd level termas were getting out of hand on my last trip. NS Copa 583 was charging like $150 reals a year ago if I remember correctly. and that was at a 2.25 to 1 Dollar exchange rate. I never thought I would say this but i'm almost ready to suck it up, lose my 40% on the dollar and try Europe. I would like to hear more reports and prices from mongers on the ground in Rio so any input would be greatly appreciated.
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You are fucking killing me with your depressing reports:(
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Bizzie, no more Prozac ?
Honestly you should consider to put me in your ignore list if the report of my truth made you so sad. And indeed my truth should mean nothing more than the POV of one between many...
But even yesterday after Shenanigan's ( where I laugh to see there one girl from Centaurus and two that played hard to get and then they show up at Balcony ), a short walk to prado juniour the scene was the same.
Believe it or not, all the mongers I spoke with, told me they do not like now Rio, 1 retired 64 yo from USA used to come here 3 months per year, told me, he wont come back again. One english guy the same. One greek shocked how all the girls only ask money, how they are ugly and how expensive it is, he said, I was just curious to see rio, I will keep on going to LOS.
Just couple of examples of last days, nobody is really happy here, the 450 reais for 1 session in terma is too much, especially if you have to wake up the girl before to session her.
Actually I feel great, honestly I do not live to fuck, I cannot wait to come back home, to meet my friends, I have two coworkers I want to date.
To start to work again hard, get money soon and think where to go in the spring and I will kill the end of the winter in FKK where in comparison to here, you get muuuch more with much leeess money.
I do not live in Rio, I could care less that now is so different here, yes, it is a different holiday, I have much less sex and GFE than I thought, but I enjoy to run at the beach early morning, to get tanned as never before....I have no problems at all, I am not as the GdP that now they sell their expensive handbags and clothes just to pay the rent of the apt or to buy food for their son cause they work not so much as before.
Hey Lukasek! - Bizzie is right. You need to snap out of your funk dude. Go get a vitamin "C" shot or something.....Maybe you need a change of venue? Get on a bus and go for a road trip to Buzios for a few days....
Jake993,
So do you think if I go to Buzius, when I will come back, I will find the same Rio of the golden years ? LOL
I know you like to read only the good positive reports, no matter if the truth is different, but I have seriously problem to lie and to write here is a heaven....
Come here Jake and write your reports, it will be much more useful for the forum than to suggests me to drink a juice.... ;)
....but these new prices I'm hearing at termas in reports are out of control. 1 hour with a girl and 1 water $450 reals. What is that about?...
And the Olimpic games are still far 6 years, for me it is only the beginning, sooner it will become even more expensive. It is a common thing here, less customer make the prices get higher, it is part of brazilian "wisdom"....
Another thing that need to be mentioned, last year from the middle of january every couple of days you could see some new girls arriving for carnival....well we are at the end of january and there are all the same faces of 2 weeks ago when I arrived....
P.S. I do not rent apartments and I have no business here, I am not a 1 report new member owner of terma, that's why I do not need to promote Rio or to write super positive bullshits reports....
Mongers-
I was in Rio on the last night of Help and for several nights afterwards back in early January. Essentially, from what I saw, heard, and experienced, this is how it is going to shake out at least for the time being: The highest end Help girls, the 8's and 9's, 21-28 year old, lighter skinned specimens, will be doing their thing out of Barbarella for the most part (at least the ones who can deal with some level of management control and oversight); the high end that don't want to deal with that will be freelancing in places such as Melt, Shenanigans, and/or 00. The lower end Help girls will be working at Balcony and Avenida Atlantica for the most part. In my opinion and experience Balcony has been flooded with the bottom of the barrel favela rat types because there is no control about who enters the place for either customers or garotas. I would also be careful about Balcony because there were a large number of street hustlers floating around the place as there is no security from what I saw.
Believe me, there are still a plethora of options for scoring nice pussy in Rio de Janeiro. The number of part-timers available will not be going down anytime in the near future as long as the average salary in Rio is less than R$ 1000 per month. For high end girls at the fairest price, I recommend frequenting the places I listed above and also high end termas with the idea of entering, banging the garota one time in the termas, getting her phone number, and then having her available on reserve outside the termas for a much better value.
Sorte,
Rock Harders
Good information indeed!!
Thanks for the brief succinct update.
Come here Jake and write your reports, it will be much more useful for the forum than to suggests me to drink a juice.... ;)
Lukasek,
Mi amico I am trying to get there as fast as I can. Unfortunately, this crisis will not go away and is playing hell with my travel budget!!!!
Get well soon and blaze a new trail for us..... :)
the high end that don't want to deal with that will be freelancing in places such as Melt, Shenanigans, and/or 00.
Oh man that sucks!! That would have to be, the worst feeling in the world!! Guys go to these clubs to meet regular girls, not prostitutes. Imagine the feeling of going to a club and thinking you are really hitting it off with this young sexy women, you think she is attracted to you. Then when you go in to seal the deal and ask her back to your place, she hits you with "I need 500R to go with you!" I would be fucking crushed and pissed as hell if that happened to me.
Or hell, why not try Sao Paulo? Accommodations are more expensive, but pussy comes in all price ranges and there's no shortage of it.
Jake, accommodation is much cheaper in SP than in Rio. About half cheaper I'd say, both for hotels and serviced apartments. For example, Mercure Apartments cost 150/200RS in Sao Paulo (in the best areas), as they cost 350/400 RS in Rio. There's also great weekend bargains in SP, which doesn't exist in Rio.
Anyhow I fully agree. Sao Paulo has the best looking girls, the best boites, the best strip bars, the best clubs, the best after-hours, ect this side of Atlantic ocean.
Not even talking of Love Story, which is simply the best pick-up club on the planet in the history of mankind, bar none.
How Luka, an adventurous man of good taste who has already travelled to the best untapped areas in FSU, can persist to monger in an overrun and nasty touristic shithole like Rio is beyond me.
Thanks Jake,
Time isn't my issue at all. Money isn't a big issue, but these new prices I'm hearing at termas in reports are out of control. 1 hour with a girl and 1 water $450 reals. What is that about? I use to do Help, TA, and the first and 2nd level termas. Even the 2nd level termas were getting out of hand on my last trip. NS Copa 583 was charging like $150 reals a year ago if I remember correctly. and that was at a 2.25 to 1 Dollar exchange rate. I never thought I would say this but i'm almost ready to suck it up, lose my 40% on the dollar and try Europe. I would like to hear more reports and prices from mongers on the ground in Rio so any input would be greatly appreciated.Lancer,
If you are serious about trying Europe, then I would suggest you think about giving Ukraine a try. No visa required for Americans, Canadians, Brits, or Europeans. But that might change after the February election so if you are thinking about it go quickly. IT's probably won't but you never know. Go and look at the Ukraine (Kiev) posts on this forum for the low down. Once you get there it's more affordable than you might think. There's no beach but there are plenty of other compensations!! ;) Affordable apartments, good restaurants and gorgeous girls. You can fly there fro London for $140 each way. Check out some recent posts by CruiserD. He's there now and sounds like he's having a ball.
Send me a PM if you would like additional info. Happy to assist.
Good luck,
Jake
Mongers-
the high end that don't want to deal with that will be freelancing in places such as Melt, Shenanigans, and/or 00.
I agree, I sort of mentioned this recently. I have a trip coming up and these are the places I am going to hit.
Oh man that sucks!! That would have to be, the worst feeling in the world!! Guys go to these clubs to meet regular girls, not prostitutes. Imagine the feeling of going to a club and thinking you are really hitting it off with this young sexy women, you think she is attracted to you. Then when you go in to seal the deal and ask her back to your place, she hits you with "I need 500R to go with you!" I would be fucking crushed and pissed as hell if that happened to me.
These girls know who they are talking to, if they think you're some naive schmuck from East Podunk NJ who is love struck she won't last 2 minutes with you, don't worry.
oh man that sucks!! that would have to be, the worst feeling in the world!! guys go to these clubs to meet regular girls, not prostitutes. imagine the feeling of going to a club and thinking you are really hitting it off with this young sexy women, you think she is attracted to you. then when you go in to seal the deal and ask her back to your place, she hits you with "i need 500r to go with you!" i would be fucking crushed and pissed as hell if that happened to me.
just for potential visitors of this city. have you ever thought about when you go seal the deal and ask her back to your place, you go and f**k each others brains out. she wakes up in the morning, brushes her teeth and you go for another round of morning sex. then you shower and have breakfast together. she goes on her way and does not ask for 500r or no money whatsover...........well, that shit actually happens. how? take some time and make an effort to learn the language, culture and try not to stand out like a sex tourist. it will happen more often than you think.
for a few members in this forum, this has been the norm for quite a while now. whether its with a gdp or a regular gal. thats why all this helppee talk doesn't make a difference at all to these guys. it is no coincidence that they happen to be the same guys that contibute the most info. since way back when.
basically, what i am saying is that very good times can still be had, but one is going to have to make some changes in their approach, particularly how one decides to deal with the language barrier. just my two cents.
Carlos Primeros
01-28-10, 00:14
copa has changed and is changing again. these ridicolous prices asked at present time will not continue as lesser numbers of mongers are comming to rio. it is already a buyer´s market. why go to a first-tier terma when you have approx. 50 casas em centro and also vm? you have all the escort agencies which charge 120 rs for 2 hours. lamenting about shell-shocked helpeee-girls does not serve any purpose. guys - simply move on!!!!
the rio-girls will find another waterhole where they will meet gringos.if there is a demand, someone will come and make space available. the girls will also lower their prices or they will go home alone. there are too many women in rio waiting of johns to take them out and pay for their services. and the johns will think twice going to a ridicolous expensive rio. average tourists will still continue to flock into rio - but will they spend as much money there as we mongers do? i doubt.
i am usually in the north of brazil, salvador, fortaleza, manaus. a girl there is glad getting 150 rs for tln, the hotels and restaurants are cheaper and have at least the same quality. if you want to try other pastures, go to argentina, peru, colombia or the dr. europe and africa are also alternatives - how about spain and portugal or the ivory coast in africa?
if the rio government decided they do not want to have the mongring tourism - so let it be. there are too many places in the world which welcomes us.
these are my 2 centavos for today.
carlos primeros
Exec Talent
01-28-10, 00:54
just for potential visitors of this city. have you ever thought about when you go seal the deal and ask her back to your place, you go and f**k each others brains out. she wakes up in the morning, brushes her teeth and you go for another round of morning sex. then you shower and have breakfast together. she goes on her way and does not ask for 500r or no money whatsover...........well, that shit actually happens. how? take some time and make an effort to learn the language, culture and try not to stand out like a sex tourist. it will happen more often than you think.
for a few members in this forum, this has been the norm for quite a while now. whether its with a gdp or a regular gal. thats why all this helppee talk doesn't make a difference at all to these guys. it is no coincidence that they happen to be the same guys that contibute the most info. since way back when.
basically, what i am saying is that very good times can be had, but one is going to have some changes in their approach, particularly how one decides to deal with the language barrier. just my two cents.
this excellent comment was posted on another forum to which i added my two cents.
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"but if you are no good at non pros where you live, dont set your expectations too high for non pros here. espeically in barra."
should be etched in stone at the immigration line or at least put up in all the hotels like the **** prostitution sign.
it never ceases to amaze me how many guys who can't even get a warm look from a woman in their own country think that things are going to change once they arrive in brazil. they don't even speak the language yet somehow think that attractive women suddenly have developed an uncontrollable urge to be with them.
better yet, no woman in their life has ever commented positively on their sexual prowess, but now they make casaonova, fabio and don juan all seem like barney fife. women like guys who can make them laugh. not many guys are good at that in their own language, let alone in another one. unless you have a history of at least some success with women and speak portuguese, it really is all about the money.
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not the truth people what to hear, but the truth nonetheless.
KellySlater
01-28-10, 01:19
Oh man that sucks! That would have to be, the worst feeling in the world! Guys go to these clubs to meet regular girls, not prostitutes. Imagine the feeling of going to a club and thinking you are really hitting it off with this young sexy women, you think she is attracted to you. Then when you go in to seal the deal and ask her back to your place, she hits you with "I need 500R to go with you! " I would be fucking crushed and pissed as hell if that happened to me.The girls who are going to ask for money in any of these places will be so amazing obvious that I can't see anyone, who isn't an idiot being surprised.
Girls who go to melt, nuth and 00 have style, taste, class. The ones who have migrated from help, do not. Many of them are hot, but taste and style, sorry.
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Anyhow I fully agree. Sao Paulo has the best looking girls, the best boites, the best strip bars, the best clubs, the best after-hours, ect this side of Atlantic ocean.
Not even talking of Love Story, which is simply the best pick-up club on the planet in the history of mankind, bar none.
Let me add that, according to the news I am watching from Fortaleza, it has been raining daily for the last 35 days with lots of floods and over 60 deaths.
You need a small boat to visit all the places listed above.LOL
Hey Lukasek! - Bizzie is right. You need to snap out of your funk dude. Go get a vitamin "C" shot or something. Better still, go to the juice bar and get some suco de acerola.
Maybe you need a change of venue? Get on a bus and go for a road trip to Buzios for a few days. Hey Bizzie - want to guess who has set up shop in Buzios?
I give up. Who?
Quote:
Bizzie, no more Prozac ?
Honestly you should consider to put me in your ignore list if the report of my truth made you so sad. And indeed my truth should mean nothing more than the POV of one between many...
Seriously man, your picture of Rio is giving me E.D.:)
Anyway, it's too late. Already have my flight booked. And have high hopes for a wild garota or two.
But I was serious about Ukraine etc.
I have had a few real gems from urkraine in Dubai.
(FKK is on hte list but....)
Thanks to all the responses that I got from everyone. One last question. What is the current fees at 4x4 and Luomo? These are usually my 2 favorites. Fortunately it looks as though the dollar is finally back on the rise and I might see 2.00 to 1 by March 1st. I investigated Sao Paolo and that even looks more expensive then Rio. I thought of trying Rio for a few days then maybe doing Buenos Aires for the first time. I hear it's a pretty decent mongering scene. thanks again for the input...
As I look at some of his videos I think to myself that I really will miss Help. I know a lot of you will disagree, but being on the tables on the stage with my friends with bottles of champagne and surrounded by beautiful women was like living the rockstar life but at a much more reasonable price. I still like the club scene and the music and it seems like that kind of thing is gone now. I agree the girls got lazy and much more expensive the last 2 years but it was still a lot of fun. Maybe it's time to move on, as much as brazilian women are by far my favorite....
Bizzie, no more Prozac ?
Honestly you should consider to put me in your ignore list if the report of my truth made you so sad. And indeed my truth should mean nothing more than the POV of one between many...
But even yesterday after Shenanigan's ( where I laugh to see there one girl from Centaurus and two that played hard to get and then they show up at Balcony ), a short walk to prado juniour the scene was the same.
Believe it or not, all the mongers I spoke with, told me they do not like now Rio, 1 retired 64 yo from USA used to come here 3 months per year, told me, he wont come back again. One english guy the same. One greek shocked how all the girls only ask money, how they are ugly and how expensive it is, he said, I was just curious to see rio, I will keep on going to LOS.
Just couple of examples of last days, nobody is really happy here, the 450 reais for 1 session in terma is too much, especially if you have to wake up the girl before to session her.
Actually I feel great, honestly I do not live to fuck, I cannot wait to come back home, to meet my friends, I have two coworkers I want to date.
To start to work again hard, get money soon and think where to go in the spring and I will kill the end of the winter in FKK where in comparison to here, you get muuuch more with much leeess money.
I do not live in Rio, I could care less that now is so different here, yes, it is a different holiday, I have much less sex and GFE than I thought, but I enjoy to run at the beach early morning, to get tanned as never before....I have no problems at all, I am not as the GdP that now they sell their expensive handbags and clothes just to pay the rent of the apt or to buy food for their son cause they work not so much as before.Jake993,
So do you think if I go to Buzius, when I will come back, I will find the same Rio of the golden years? LOL
I know you like to read only the good positive reports, no matter if the truth is different, but I have seriously problem to lie and to write here is a heaven.
Come here Jake and write your reports, it will be much more useful for the forum than to suggests me to drink a juice..
And the Olimpic games are still far 6 years, for me it is only the beginning, sooner it will become even more expensive. It is a common thing here, less customer make the prices get higher, it is part of brazilian "wisdom".
Another thing that need to be mentioned, last year from the middle of January every couple of days you could see some new girls arriving for carnival. Well we are at the end of January and there are all the same faces of 2 weeks ago when I arrived.
P.S. I do not rent apartments and I have no business here, I am not a 1 report new member owner of terma, that's why I do not need to promote Rio or to write super positive bullshits reports.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the realness your reporting. The last thing that is needed is someone making up fake stories.
Math92,
I would say yes, there are much less gringo, so much less money walking there.
I am almost every second day at the beach in front of rio othon, but I do not see much girls there and the same in fron of caesar park post 9 in ipa.Thanks a lot Lukasek.
I could make my own report in a few weeks.
I will be there for 9 days.
Lukasek,
Mi amico I am trying to get there as fast as I can....
I already ordered 2 cold beers and I am waiting for you at Planetario de Gavea ;)
...
Get well soon and blaze a new trail for us....
It will be much easier and funny in Мурманск....
How Luka, an adventurous man of good taste who has already travelled to the best untapped areas in FSU, can persist to monger in an overrun and nasty touristic shithole like Rio is beyond me.
Privetik.... you know I agree with you and my point of view is very close to yours, but the problem is, where to go in january when the Europe is in the cold deep winter ? I am thinking about Dubai....
...Seriously man, your picture of Rio is giving me E.D.:)
Anyway, it's too late. Already have my flight booked...
But I was serious about Ukraine etc.
I have had a few real gems from urkraine in Dubai.
(FKK is on hte list but....)
Bizzie, as I said, maybe you will find here it is still a heaven for you, I wish you great time here, to each his own, but after Rio do you a favour, try Ukraine and Fkk, especially Fkk, cause if you can afford to not have ocean, then I am pretty sure you will thank me ;)
...One last question. What is the current fees at 4x4 and Luomo?...
Entrance at 4x4 is 50 reais, 70 reais at luomo,MC and solarium.
I am not sure about the price of 40 minutes, but what I remember very well.....caipirinha at luomo cost 25 reais VS 12 or 14 at MC and obviously it tastes the same....
I session only once for 1 hour at luomo, was the usual 430-450 reais with drinks and entrance.
I went to 4x4, there work 2 friend of my american guys who left yesterday, the place looked "enough" crowded, but when I ask them, how the work today ? They said shit, they talk and wait before to go to cabine and more than often they leave with no sex at all. Very little gringo, almost only brazilians.
I stayed there and I enjoyed to talk with them both, at least they were lessons of brazilian languages for free LOL but I did not see one girl it worth to pay for.
Entrance and couple of drinks, a bit less than 100 reais.
Way back home I stop at terma 502 ( 20 reais entrance with includeded 3 beers ), I drunk 1 beer very fast and I left after a while....
Then I was tired and I went to sleep early, today I feel great, the usual running at the beach, now lets try to have something nice to report for tomorrow, from terma or from shenanigans.....we will see, more to follow, poka
Exec Talent
01-28-10, 14:50
I am not sure about the price of 40 minutes, but what I remember very well.....caipirinha at luomo cost 25 reais VS 12 or 14 at MC and obviously it tastes the same....
I session only once for 1 hour at luomo, was the usual 430-450 reais with drinks and entrance.
I think the drinks are way overpriced at L'uomo but we do need to be fair. If I remember correctly a caipirinha is R$14. Also, I think Peter makes a much better caipirinha than the bartenders at MC especially since he is stuck using Cachaça 51.
Thanks to all the responses that I got from everyone. One last question. What is the current fees at 4x4 and Luomo? These are usually my 2 favorites. Fortunately it looks as though the dollar is finally back on the rise and I might see 2.00 to 1 by March 1st. I investigated Sao Paolo and that even looks more expensive then Rio. I thought of trying Rio for a few days then maybe doing Buenos Aires for the first time. I hear it's a pretty decent mongering scene. thanks again for the input...
Early December 2009 I remember paying 100 euros for a 40min session including entrance and a drink at 4x4. That was about 250-260 reais
No Termas at Buenos Ayres but many private brothels (privados) and boliches (bars) with ladies to take out.
Check out http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/ for more info.
As I look at some of his videos I think to myself that I really will miss Help. I know a lot of you will disagree, but being on the tables on the stage with my friends with bottles of champagne and surrounded by beautiful women was like living the rockstar life but at a much more reasonable price. I still like the club scene and the music and it seems like that kind of thing is gone now. I agree the girls got lazy and much more expensive the last 2 years but it was still a lot of fun. Maybe it's time to move on, as much as brazilian women are by far my favorite....
No, I do not disagree with your statement. Simply, Help! was a great venue for our hobby. Do not concern yourself by those with myopic statements.
I never fail to catch myself smiling when thinking of Help. At times, almost a decade of great memories flash before me. Man, it was a great run...I surely will miss that place. Valeu, Help! Valeu!
Devilspinkick
01-28-10, 18:14
Well I just returned from a great trip to Rio, so I don't know what everyone is complaining about. The thing with me is that I never went to HELP anyway, I speak passable Portuguese, and I would often spend around R$500 during a night on the town anyway. One night during this trip I managed to spend R$1,050 at T-65. Pricy? Yes, but I had a mighty good time.
Granted, a thousand Reais doesn't go as far as it used to but the quality in Brazil is still quite good and not hard to find. As stated by another poster, if a Termas lady likes you then there is a good chance she will offer to meet you before or after she gets off shift. I received several offers but I'm more of a short-time sort of guy.
I think the only folks noticing a huge difference are those that went to HELP practically every night. Now that the "Wal-Mart of Sex" is gone it will take a while for people to readjust to the new scene. But if everyone wants to believe that Rio is overpriced and not worth it anymore I'm not going to complain. It only means more garotas available to me when I return in May.
Time to shift my focus back to Europe for now; return to London & Berlin in a couple of months.
"O tempora, O mores"
- DSK
I give up. Who?
Your old pal from the Marriott.
Now that the "Wal-Mart of Sex" is gone it will take a while for people to readjust to the new scene. Wal-mart of Sex - good one. Sadly, that's actually pretty accurate. But I can say that I have dragged both the 'best' and the 'worst' I ever had in Rio out of HELP.
It's hard not to be a little nostalgic about the place.
Wal-mart of Sex - good one. Sadly, that's actually pretty accurate. But I can say that I have dragged both the 'best' and the 'worst' I ever had in Rio out of HELP.
It's hard not to be a little nostalgic about the place.Wal-mart? No more like 7 eleven as in overpriced and poor quality.
...One night during this trip I managed to spend R$1,050 at T-65....
Somebody thought 450 reais for one hour is a lot and for others 1,050 reais is nothing LOL, I am sure they cannot wait to see you again :D
Received a report that Balcony has made some space for a dance floor, and is overun by unattractive GDPs.
Can anyone report on the beach scene in front of Othon and Ceasar's?
Exec Talent
01-29-10, 02:57
Received a report that Balcony has made some space for a dance floor, and is overun by unattractive GDPs.
Can anyone report on the beach scene in front of Othon and Ceasar's?
and I don't mean television. Stopped by there around 11:30 PM and they were everywhere. Hard to tell the players without a scorecard, but some were all too obvious.
Your old pal from the Marriott.
Oh yeah! forgetting her name now, but just found/posted some pictures of her from an old memory card.
no, i do not disagree with your statement. simply, help! was a great venue for our hobby. do not concern yourself by those with myopic statements.
i never fail to catch myself smiling when thinking of help. at times, almost a decade of great memories flash before me. man, it was a great run...i surely will miss that place. valeu, help! valeu!
agree with you. those who are comparing prices and looks of helpee girls wiht other venues are missing the point about why some mongers frequented helpee.
it was not to find the cheapest pussy or best looking girls, but rather to hang out and watch the circus. that's it!
very few places like it in the world:)
lat year i did the meat markets in dubai, buenos aires and istanbul. rio was second to none.
have things worsened since then in rio? i will find out in a month or so;)
Better than Rio, El Greco?
Couldn't say so
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=975810&postcount=1027
Received a report that Balcony has made some space for a dance floor, and is overun by unattractive GDPs.
No, it´s still got the tiny square at the back that it has always had. There is a proper dance floor next door and upstairs in Dolce Vita, though not that big. It also has a show of sorts. Charging entry occasionally. The attractiveness/attractiveness of the GDPs is hit and miss. I only took one from Balcony this time (I´m now in Belem) but she was quite a player and I booked her twice again by phone.
Have just left Rio :( - the marvellous city - for the north of Brasil, so here´s my details for this short visit -
16 days
22 punts
inc 1 sessioned with on three different dates
inc 4 TLNs
inc 1 freebie / non-programma
:) :) :)
Total R1483
Average R67
Not suggesting it as a guide but,
Best looking girl: from VM
Best sex: from Nogueira
Cheapest: BA85 (15R)
With many thanks to the Board member who sent me some Niteroi tips - I will do better there next time.
If you have something interesting to talk and enthuse about it makes you a better catch for the GDP. (How do you like it if her life consists solely of screwing people?? - exactly.) Prado has been talked about a lot recently. I did a bars guide about a year ago which hasn´t changed much (although Hta d.Prado and Estacio dos doces didn´t seem as busy as usual). I thought some people might like to try some stuff, even in the narrow confines of Prado. Here´s some starters :)
Padaria VIP Rio
Have a decent non-botequim lunch of lasagne for 3 or 4 reals.
Decios
Get a haircut, including fresh naked blade trimming of sides and eyebrows for R10
Copa Fish
Amaze your chica and demanding the biggest prawns ever seen. Take them home, cook them fast and serve with lime.
Copa Avico
Can´t resist roast chicken? Buy a whole one and take it home. R13
Ciclovia
Rent a bike and do the carioca thing along Atlantica or round Lagoa. 1hr R9, 3hrs R20, 12hrs R50, 24hrs R70.
Cervantes
Not forgetting the stand up bar where the rich and famous drive up for a ´filet complet´
Enjoy.
I don´t know if it is just my experience, but I found the girls on URU24 more forthcoming this time. They usually hang on the stairwell and feel up your penis as you ascend. But this year I did not encounter one that did so and resisted when I felt up their pussy while they did so.* All this is quite nice for free! My main reservation before had been that service had been rushed on some occasions. So I just made a big deal of the time when negotiating, ´Not 10, not 15, not 18, but 20 minutes since I pay for 20 minutes.´ Seemed to work for me.
I gave Renata (BA85) my usual guff about wanting to f*ck her but not in the 2nd floor sh*thole. She offered me a tour of the (slightly) re-vamped rooms. Not as nice as some of the other floors, but still a big improvement. That, and her smile, won me over.
Whereas last night, the dancer came off stage and showed me exactly where and how to move my fingers over her naked swollen clit. But this was Boulevard. About 1500 miles away ;)
Jamaicanceo
01-29-10, 19:35
Thursday, 28 Jan. 4X4: 1 hour, small room, Coke Zero came to R276.00 with credit card.
Tuesday, 26 Jan. Monte Carlo: 1 hour, small room and I water came to R459.00 with credit card.
If you have something interesting to talk and enthuse about it makes you a better catch for the GDP. (How do you like it if her life consists solely of screwing people?? - exactly.) Prado has been talked about a lot recently. I did a bars guide about a year ago which hasn´t changed much (although Hta d.Prado and Estacio dos doces didn´t seem as busy as usual). I thought some people might like to try some stuff, even in the narrow confines of Prado. Here´s some starters :)
Padaria VIP Rio
Have a decent non-botequim lunch of lasagne for 3 or 4 reals.
Decios
Get a haircut, including fresh naked blade trimming of sides and eyebrows for R10
Copa Fish
Amaze your chica and demanding the biggest prawns ever seen. Take them home, cook them fast and serve with lime.
Copa Avico
Can´t resist roast chicken? Buy a whole one and take it home. R13
Ciclovia
Rent a bike and do the carioca thing along Atlantica or round Lagoa. 1hr R9, 3hrs R20, 12hrs R50, 24hrs R70.
Cervantes
Not forgetting the stand up bar where the rich and famous drive up for a ´filet complet´
Enjoy.
It seems that you missed the Sabor Arte (or something like that) small restaurant diagonally across Barbarella and opposite Pao de Acugar.
Very nice dishes and very reasonable priced. Try spagheti with camarao and asparagus plus their many frango dishes. Delicious. They also make deliveries.
Guys I am in net cafe, so I will be very short.
Yesterday my first and last time at Cancun, 40 reais to get into, only ugly dogs.
4x4 I saw a new girl, fast interview, she was used to work at centaurus, 19yo, great body, thin, no belly,no hairy legs as many under bomba at 4x4.
Session was really nice, nothing amazing but one of the best I got in this holiday, especially you know, the body of 19yo is nothing you can compare with older girl.
However I sessioned one hour and when I saw the bill I thought....what ?!?
Only 270 reais and something.....incredible cheap !
Lets say you pay only 40 reais at 4x4 if you session instead of 50 reais,but anyway here the prices:
All the prices are what I paid for entrance, some drinks, (more or less all the time couple of beers or caipirinha and couple of coca cola) and 1 HOUR:
Solarium:
490 reais and something, the most expensive especially cause they try to make you choose the cabine, for 40 minutes, even if you should get the suite, why ? Too much time to wait for the suite. Very expensive also cause you have to count about 30-40 reais more for taxi from copa to get there and about 1 hour of travel ( this for me sucks even more than the money for taxi ).
Luomo:
485 reais, nothing super, nothing bad, just average session, despite the price, 200 euro is fuking too much for something average. I confirm 25 reais for price of caipirinha, 10 euro is too much, no matter with what barman does...
4x4:
270 reais and something is wonderful, I did not belive to the bill, ( I had in my hands about 400 reais ).
It is so cheap, it makes the sex session looks like much better, I left with a smile, 100 euro is a lot, considering I yet think Brazil for me it is 3rd country, but MOST IMPORTANT THING it costs me the half of the other gringo rip off terma in zona sul !
God bless 4x4 forever !
I also found the girls there, as always, much less spoiled and selfish in comparison to their lazy friends in the other termas.
It sucks a bit to go there by metro, ( even if with 16 reais at 23h I went to copa by taxi...the same as back from solarium...), as it takes 40-50 minutes, but when you come back from the 4x4 you have in you wallet yet 100 euro and you did the same exactly thing, well, probably better.
Exec Talent
01-30-10, 16:33
Yesterday my first and last time at Cancun, 40 reais to get into, only ugly dogs.
I have never had a problem finding an attractive girl at Cancun. Never. There is no reason to pay R$40 to enter the termas. It is best to pay R$20 and go to the whiskeria, Manhattan. The best girls seem to spend time there rather than the termas.
however i sessioned one hour and when i saw the bill i thought....what ?!?
only 270 reais and something.....incredible cheap !
i told you. didn't i ?
it sucks a bit to go there by metro, ( even if with 16 reais at 23h i went to copa by taxi...the same as back from solarium...), as it takes 40-50 minutes, but when you come back from the 4x4 you have in you wallet yet 100 euro and you did the same exactly thing, well, probably better.
next time you can take blue/white bus #175 (from outside mc donalds on av. rio branco) to av atlantica. they run every 5-10 minutes and they drive so fast as if they are competing to the taxis. i used to get off at helpee for a drink. now it will be balcony.
It seems that you missed the Sabor Arte (or something like that) small restaurant diagonally across Barbarella and opposite Pao de Acugar.
Very nice dishes and very reasonable priced. Try spagheti with camarao and asparagus plus their many frango dishes. Delicious. They also make deliveries.
Lovely place. I was trying to stick to Prado itself lol. But there are so many nice places to eat (if only a few outstanding ones). AT least these places can give you something multo quente rather than the lukewarm stuff served at kilogramas.
It seems that you missed the Sabor Arte (or something like that) small restaurant diagonally across Barbarella and opposite Pao de Acugar.
Very nice dishes and very reasonable priced. Try spagheti with camarao and asparagus plus their many frango dishes. Delicious. They also make deliveries.
Lovely place. I was trying to stick to Prado itself lol. But there are so many nice places to eat (if only a few outstanding ones). At least these places can give you something multo quente rather than the lukewarm stuff served at kilogramas.
If we include the area of MVdeCastro immediately by Prado, there is very reasonable food at the restaurant between Nog and Cicciolina´s, and it doesn´t allow programmas, so you can watch them without being harrassed.
Lovely place. I was trying to stick to Prado itself lol. But there are so many nice places to eat (if only a few outstanding ones). At least these places can give you something multo quente rather than the lukewarm stuff served at kilogramas.
If we include the area of MVdeCastro immediately by Prado, there is very reasonable food at the restaurant between Nog and Cicciolina´s, and it doesn´t allow programmas, so you can watch them without being harrassed.
Are you talking about El Cids?
Guys I said that one of the bad thing of no more help, was that I thought very hard to see terma girls show up at balcony.....yesterday they were in 6 in 2 small groups from 2 different termas, they stayed free less than couple of minutes as they dress better, walk better, look better in comparison with the ugly dogs balcony girls, but ... I do not understand why a girl should yawn with crossed arms 7-8 hours in terma with no mood to work and then to go to balcony to earn money....and I laugh when I saw them arrive, I was already busy so I did not consider to take one of them and I have no idea about the price they ask for.
I was there in January and noticed the changed attitudes of the Help GDP's. I know that the closing of Help did have a significant effect in the volume of customers in most of the Termas. I wonder though if things have picked up in any of the Termas. While there you could have a Basketball game in the middle of the boite in 4 X 4 while the strip show was going on, it was that empty. Even though I really did not care for Help one bit, I'm sure they did not see the drop in business coming.
Guys I said that one of the bad thing of no more help, was that I thought very hard to see terma girls show up at balcony.....yesterday they were in 6 in 2 small groups from 2 different termas, they stayed free less than couple of minutes as they dress better, walk better, look better in comparison with the ugly dogs balcony girls, but ... I do not understand why a girl should yawn with crossed arms 7-8 hours in terma with no mood to work and then to go to balcony to earn money....and I laugh when I saw them arrive, I was already busy so I did not consider to take one of them and I have no idea about the price they ask for.
I was in 4x4 on Thrusday and it was not packed when the stirp show was going on which was a good thing as I dont not like cowards. I have hit these Termas 4x4, 81, Meia Cinco a.k.a 65, and Monte Carlo, out of all them 4x4 I will hit again and also 81 since I saw atleast 10-15 garotas 4x4 I would like to sample and atleast 5 in Termas 81 compared to 1-3 in 65 and MC.
I was there in January and noticed the changed attitudes of the Help GDP's. I know that the closing of Help did have a significant effect in the volume of customers in most of the Termas. I wonder though if things have picked up in any of the Termas. While there you could have a Basketball game in the middle of the boite in 4 X 4 while the strip show was going on, it was that empty. Even though I really did not care for Help one bit, I'm sure they did not see the drop in business coming.
...While there you could have a Basketball game in the middle of the boite in 4 X 4 while the strip show was going on, it was that empty...
You couldn't describe it better :D the same last friday
From MC and L'uomo, but last saturday, not yesterday, 2 were from 4x4 too...
Guys where is exactly terma 81 ? Address ?
You couldn't describe it better :D the same last friday
From MC and L'uomo, but last saturday, not yesterday, 2 were from 4x4 too...
Guys where is exactly terma 81 ? Address ?Rua da Quitanda, 81 - Centro
Walk past 4 X 4 coming from Rio Branco and the next cross street will be Rua Da Quintanda. The address, Rua da Quintanda 81 and you are at this Terma. Don't hurt yourself :D
You couldn't describe it better :D the same last friday
From MC and L'uomo, but last saturday, not yesterday, 2 were from 4x4 too...
Guys where is exactly terma 81 ? Address ?
...The address, Rua da Quintanda 81...
Thanks...too many termas in too little days, but I was in rua da quintada with my friends, I forgot the exactly number, but at number 65 you have terma 65 right ? ( or meja cinquo in portuguese ).
So 2 termas at short distance or the same one ?
Different ones. Termas 65 is on Rua do Rosario, which means you have to walk almost an extra block and a half from 4 X 4 to get there. In order to get to Termas 81 you have to cross Rua do Rosario on Rua da Quintada. A few extra steps and you are there.
Thanks...too many termas in too little days, but I was in rua da quintada with my friends, I forgot the exactly number, but at number 65 you have terma 65 right ? ( or meja cinquo in portuguese ).
So 2 termas at short distance or the same one ?
SlimHoleDrill
01-31-10, 23:41
Yeah, you guys are right, it sucks now. No good looking girls, bad attitudes, Help is no more, high prices, nobody in the termas etc., etc. I suggest you all stay home and enjoy the delights there. For example, go to AMS and enjoy your 15 minutes behind the windows (although I have to admit I have had some good 15 minutes there). Or go do your wives and GFs.
Let's talk about reality. For the record, there has been some misinformation spread here. Luk, I don't know what you are drinking or smoking, but a caipirinha in L'uomo is R14 not 25 as you have stated (and "confirmed"). I just went there and had a 40 min session, two drinks for me and my girl plus drinks for a couple of old friends and the damage was about R370. (In case you doubt it was 2Xcaipirinhas, red bull, 2X Amarulo, and Jack Daniels (for Pietra)). IMHO, comparing prices for 1hr sessions is also misleading. Some places put a premium on this becuase it includes the "suite", others like 4X4 sort of "throw it in" for very litte. Personally, I almost never go for this except at 4X4 where, truth be told, the hour is more like 45 minutes. YMMV.
The one thing that is true is that the upper tier places are quiter now. Most likely due to the economy but this is fine for me. More selction, no waiting. On the other hand on the lower tier, 22 was hopping. Also some smoking ladies there -- but just IMHO. Maybe if you are hung up on the loire, silicone etc. of places like Centaurus you would not agree. And if you are expecting air conditioning in the cabine, definitely don't go there.
Rio is what it is. It is not Disney Land. Thank god for that.
Personally, I love it -- good times and bad. And there are no bad times!
yeah, you guys are right, it sucks now. no good looking girls, bad attitudes, help is no more, high prices, nobody in the termas etc., etc. i suggest you all stay home and enjoy the delights there. for example, go to ams and enjoy your 15 minutes behind the windows (although i have to admit i have had some good 15 minutes there). or go do your wives and gfs.
let's talk about reality. for the record, there has been some misinformation spread here. luk, i don't know what you are drinking or smoking, but a caipirinha in l'uomo is r14 not 25 as you have stated (and "confirmed"). i just went there and had a 40 min session, two drinks for me and my girl plus drinks for a couple of old friends and the damage was about r370. (in case you doubt it was 2xcaipirinhas, red bull, 2x amarulo, and jack daniels (for pietra)). imho, comparing prices for 1hr sessions is also misleading. some places put a premium on this becuase it includes the "suite", others like 4x4 sort of "throw it in" for very litte. personally, i almost never go for this except at 4x4 where, truth be told, the hour is more like 45 minutes. ymmv.
the one thing that is true is that the upper tier places are quiter now. most likely due to the economy but this is fine for me. more selction, no waiting. on the other hand on the lower tier, 22 was hopping. also some smoking ladies there -- but just imho. maybe if you are hung up on the loire, silicone etc. of places like centaurus you would not agree. and if you are expecting air conditioning in the cabine, definitely don't go there.
rio is what it is. it is not disney land. thank god for that.
personally, i love it -- good times and bad. and there are no bad times!
rofl. this equates with my experience, although i basically concentrate on the lower price tier - all brilliant. i never liked silicone land and prefer exploring and working for it than having it dished up disney-style.
for instance - one night at vm - started with a 19yr old who was obviously too good to be true. hilarious time when i left pockets within reach i knew she would try unsuccessfully to get her hand in. but she was too tight and gripping my hand in different ways with her pussy as we ´argued´ over my trousers i´d given her as a pillow and she even went so far as to ´demonstrate´she was honest afterwards by finding a coin i had dropped for me. this was a classic chase and tease situation and, as long as you could handle it, was a hell of a lot of fun. she also had the best body i´ve seen for ages.
next that night i went to what i call the tlc bar cos every girl i have ever had there gives gfe. and also nice not having to keep my wits about me - and a nice inside bar for genuine dancing (rather than highspeed booty shaking, which i also like to watch - both better than the very artificial slow-mo stuff served up cicciolina´s). lots of dfk and telling the mama to f off when time was up.
after catching up with a few girls from years before - bianca who can charm the socks off everyone i´ve taken to vm but once saved the day and maybe my ass in a bar fight standing up to several drunken gringo twats; and luma, a barra girl who i love doing photos with though i didn´t have my camera with me - i see an awesome girl in the second or third casa along. she had expensive blonde hair extensions to her waist, perfectly combined so the joins were invisible. make up 10/10. she looked a figure of perfection, even by rioshopping standards, but she obviously knew it and i didn´t expect a personality to match. i noticed a few of guys would approach her like puppies and go away again. many brasilians only bring enough cash for one girl and a couple of beers. this girl had the cheek to charge an extra r5 over the going rate. i paid. in the room she was very professional, turning on a delicate charm, sensitive caresses, light touches with fingertips and lips. very classy, but with a standard no-no on bbbj (i teased her on completa, but didn´t want to haggle over any extra costs).
i was buzzing all night.
second best p4p experience was a wild tln girl who got off on having alcohol rubbed into her pussy. also very pretty, and she pretended for a long time she was not programma.
but the highlights of my stay - although that night was excellent - were still the technical rehearsals at sambodrome, finding new p4p places, making new brasilian friends, the kindness and time brasilians will take, things we should learn from them instead of exporting our western vision, and finding new experiences. for people who do not like to push boundaries, i am also happy if they find that brasil is no longer for them and seek other sexpat destinations.
Are you talking about El Cids?
I think so - I can never remember the name as I don´t eat there that often, but it is a nice spot of ´normality´in the midst of all the p4p going on all around and constantly walking past in full view. And the food is ok and I don´t have to worry about ´mistakes´on the bill.
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Let's talk about reality. For the record, there has been some misinformation spread here. Luk, I don't know what you are drinking or smoking, but a caipirinha in L'uomo is R14 not 25 as you have stated (and "confirmed"). I just went there and had a 40 min session, two drinks for me and my girl plus drinks for a couple of old friends and the damage was about R370. (In case you doubt it was 2Xcaipirinhas, red bull, 2X Amarulo, and Jack Daniels (for Pietra)). IMHO, comparing prices for 1hr sessions is also misleading. Some places put a premium on this becuase it includes the "suite"....
I had to took the suite cause the girl said too much time, around one hour to wait for the cabine, I went to reception to ask and she told me to ask to the woman who clean the bedrooms.... and believe it or not I smoke nothing and drink even less, that's was my bill.
And also I am happy if you have great time here, I just share my experience, if for me here now is worst, maybe it can be even better for you.
Remember the mongers in Rio members of this forum are very little % and every time I talk with somebody at Balcony, at Termas, they almost all agree is not so good as before, should I give them the address of this web site to not be the only one disappointed here ? :D
...In order to get to Termas 81 you have to cross Rua do Rosario on Rua da Quintada....
Hey the terma is small, dark inside, at first floor, 100 reais 40 minute ?
If yes, I was been there, if not, later this day I will check...thanks anyway...
Remember the mongers in Rio members of this forum are very little % and every time I talk with somebody at Balcony, at Termas, they almost all agree is not so good as before, should I give them the address of this web site to not be the only one disappointed here ? :DAm I reading this wrong are you threatening to inform the GDP's at balcony and the termas of this web site?
Remember the mongers in Rio members of this forum are very little % and every time I talk with somebody at Balcony, at Termas, they almost all agree is not so good as before, should I give them the address of this web site to not be the only one disappointed here?Is it me or does it sound like lukasek is threatening to share this web site with the terma and balcany GDP's.
The Watcher
02-01-10, 22:45
Remember the mongers in Rio members of this forum are very little % and every time I talk with somebody at Balcony, at Termas, they almost all agree is not so good as before, should I give them the address of this web site to not be the only one disappointed here ? :D
Is it me or does it sound like lukasek is threatening to share this web site with the terma and balcany GDP's.
I think you are misreading what he wrote. I think he was talking about giving the address of this web site to mongers in Rio who are not members of this forum.
The Windex Man
02-01-10, 23:12
Am I reading this wrong are you threatening to inform the GDP's at balcony and the termas of this web site?While it's not the easiest to always read the email, I read that Lukasek was saying (in a sarcastic manner) that maybe he should ask some of the other mongers to contribute their insight into how horrible Rio is at this moment, so that he wouldn't be the only one to say that things are not looking good right now.
That's how I read it.
Smooth Slim
02-02-10, 04:31
I think you are misreading what he wrote. I think he was talking about giving the address of this web site to mongers in Rio who are not members of this forum.
I also believe Lukasek is talking about giving the website address to other guys who are commenting to him about how the scene has changed for the worst in Rio.
There is no threat here.
Lukasek is very clear in saying the scene is disappointing for him. He is clear that for others it may be just fine.
I have chatted for several friends who are in Rio and some who just left. They back up Lukasek's assessment of the Balcony and the attitudes of some of the termas girls. Indeed they did find the scene to be different and in some ways disappointing.
SlimHoleDrill
02-02-10, 11:34
Sorry for that in my last report but having just finished a marvelous evening, all of the doom and gloom seemed ludicrous. Also, I felt that giving the wrong price for a caipirinha at L'uomo (it's 14 not 25) was unfairly adding to this idea that everyone is just trying to cheat you. And that it could damage the reputations of a fine old institution.
I understand the sentiments being expressed. Not to get too lterary, but Rio is a metaphor for the lovely Cairioca herself. Because she can be so wonderful, it is all the worse when she takes it away. But the great thing about them both is that there is always something else just around the corner.
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just giving my take and striving for some accuracy. Now, if you want to talk about what really sucks in Rio, we can talk about traffic. Especially during carnival.
Enjoy (if you can).
While it's not the easiest to always read the email, I read that Lukasek was saying (in a sarcastic manner) that maybe he should ask some of the other mongers to contribute their insight into how horrible Rio is at this moment, so that he wouldn't be the only one to say that things are not looking good right now.
That's how I read it.
Hey guys, sorry for my english and please trust me, I never gave this address to a woman, I will never give, why should I do this ?!
I also put a smile, as I meant it was just a joke between US here.
Take a look to the photos I posted in photo gallery, I deleted every single little tatoo, gold chain, ring, cause I do not want to give problem to nobody, I never posted a photo of girl here with face, I even avoided to write my bad experience with the foreigner who rented me the apt, that's the kind of guy I am.
This forum is our secret weapon to get to know where to go, how to behave and so on and it was for me in the last 5 years, I think twice even to give this address to some "monger", as I do not think we need more members here if they are the typical gringo I know it all...
And I think 3 times before to tell about termas with some "gringo" too, cause the last thing I want is to have termas, the best thing for me here, ruined from tons of "turists" that maybe will even tip the girls in terma....
Some gringo do not deserve to know all the precious things we share here, some are happy enough with the sharks at Balcony, I let them live happy and thinking they are gonna to get the best Rio can offer :D
Some updates.... yesterday was the 4 times in 4 days I saw terma girls at Balcony, the first day I smiled, now no more...
Between them 2 blondes, from L'uomo, left alone after about one hour. I have no idea about the prices they ask for, but hey they are nice, why they did not get customer is beyond me. Maybe cause at Balcony men end to hanging around, drinks and talk with less will to buy sex.
I talk yesterday with a friend at 4x4 about the daily coming of terma girls to Balcony and she said, that's why she left MC, not only for the bad attitude of the owner ( the big guy with long black shave ) but also cause too little business.
I talk with 2 guys from NY I met at Shenanigan's last week, the fun of the evening was to watch and to joke the girls, the way they play, the way they try to look like special and better than the other girls.
I was thinking to take home a nice tall, thin morena from Bahia, she wanted 250 reais, not so bad and when I asked her, why one so nice as you are is still alone at around 3:00 am ?!?
She told me cause men are asking and wanting her to do strange things in sex ?!?!?!
I asked her which ones ?
She said....oral sem capote !!!!! And I laugh....
I told her, I like only oral without and anal too, she told me I could forget anal with her and...see you later....
After such an hour she came back and said, let's go ?
I told her hey OWO or not ?
She said...if you will wash your dick very well ( first time I listen such an obvious request...).
I told her, ok but 200 reais. She said no ! I told her, hey it is later and I am more tired and in less mood of sex....she left after a while alone with her female friends.....guys, she was nice, but the lack of normal conversation cause you stand up, the way they want to close the deal in a while, the fact yesterday afternoon another great session ( 1 hour 284 reais ) at 4x4, so I thought who cares ?
Now I go to the beach and then again to 4x4, I am making a lot of friends there, I feel there very good.
Think yesterday I spoke with one of the guys normally dressed that sit down in front of receptions, I guess they are gerente or domo, I told them how I like 4x4, much better than all the the others termas but with one mistake that it is closed on saturday and sunday.....they told me they will open in couple of months a new terma open on weekend and the place will be at the end of avenida rio branco. When I took the taxi, I asked him, he said it will be the rio antigo terma changing name or something like that. ( I have no idea where is rio antigo terma...).
But at the end of avenida rio branco on the right side he showed me a high building with blue and yellow big sign ITAU, it should be there, that's what I understand.
P.S. about caipirinha, guys I could care less to talk shit or to lie, if I wrote 25 it is cause it was 25 reais. Was it their mistake or what else I do not know. I remember I read 25 in my bill, do not believe me, it is fine for me, but for sure I am not here to try to ruin an old institution of Rio, so far as I never got bad experiences at L'uomo.
Btw we are very close to Carnival right ? Cause ok, I never went to sambodrome, but in Copa I do not have this feeling, yet the same girls of 3 weeks ago, no new entry between the girls.
Thanks for the guys understood my point, what I meant with the joke of share this website with mongers !
Jamaicanceo
02-03-10, 08:47
picked up great r150 for 2 hour meia pataca girl. had sex for more than 2 hours. changed my sheets when done while i was in shower.
had bad session at ba 502. great session at 4x4.
received many numbers at balcony. meia pataca girl now serving tables at balcony.
helpee girls seen crying because of balcony is rough for them. heavy police presence at balcony.
partied at pussy cat club near balcony, 2 days in row.
JohnnyBraz
02-03-10, 09:22
Hey guys, sorry for my english and please trust me, I never gave this address to a woman, I will never give, why should I do this?!
I also put a smile, as I meant it was just a joke between US here.
Take a look to the photos I posted in photo gallery, I deleted every single little tatoo, gold chain, ring, cause I do not want to give problem to nobody, I never posted a photo of girl here with face, I even avoided to write my bad experience with the foreigner who rented me the apt, that's the kind of guy I am.
This forum is our secret weapon to get to know where to go, how to behave and so on and it was for me in the last 5 years, I think twice even to give this address to some "monger", as I do not think we need more members here if they are the typical gringo I know it all.
And I think 3 times before to tell about termas with some "gringo" too, cause the last thing I want is to have termas, the best thing for me here, ruined from tons of "turists" that maybe will even tip the girls in terma.
Some gringo do not deserve to know all the precious things we share here, some are happy enough with the sharks at Balcony, I let them live happy and thinking they are going to to get the best Rio can offer
Some updates. Yesterday was the 4 times in 4 days I saw terma girls at Balcony, the first day I smiled, now no more.
Between them 2 blondes, from L'uomo, left alone after about one hour. I have no idea about the prices they ask for, but hey they are nice, why they did not get customer is beyond me. Maybe cause at Balcony men end to hanging around, drinks and talk with less will to buy sex.
I talk yesterday with a friend at 4x4 about the daily coming of terma girls to Balcony and she said, that's why she left MC, not only for the bad attitude of the owner (the big guy with long black shave) but also cause too little business.
I talk with 2 guys from NY I met at Shenanigan's last week, the fun of the evening was to watch and to joke the girls, the way they play, the way they try to look like special and better than the other girls.
I was thinking to take home a nice tall, thin morena from Bahia, she wanted 250 reais, not so bad and when I asked her, why one so nice as you are is still alone at around 3:00 am?!
She told me cause men are asking and wanting her to do strange things in sex?!!!
I asked her which ones?
She said. Oral sem capote! And I laugh.
I told her, I like only oral without and anal too, she told me I could forget anal with her and. See you later.
After such an hour she came back and said, let's go?
I told her hey OWO or not?
She said. If you will wash your dick very well (first time I listen such an obvious request.).
I told her, ok but 200 reais. She said no! I told her, hey it is later and I am more tired and in less mood of sex. She left after a while alone with her female friends. Guys, she was nice, but the lack of normal conversation cause you stand up, the way they want to close the deal in a while, the fact yesterday afternoon another great session (1 hour 284 reais) at 4x4, so I thought who cares?
Now I go to the beach and then again to 4x4, I am making a lot of friends there, I feel there very good.
Think yesterday I spoke with one of the guys normally dressed that sit down in front of receptions, I guess they are gerente or domo, I told them how I like 4x4, much better than all the the others termas but with one mistake that it is closed on Saturday and Sunday. They told me they will open in couple of months a new terma open on weekend and the place will be at the end of avenida Rio branco. When I took the taxi, I asked him, he said it will be the Rio antigo terma changing name or something like that. (I have no idea where is Rio antigo terma.).
But at the end of avenida Rio branco on the right side he showed me a high building with blue and yellow big sign ITAU, it should be there, that's what I understand.
P.S. About caipirinha, guys I could care less to talk shit or to lie, if I wrote 25 it is cause it was 25 reais. Was it their mistake or what else I do not know. I remember I read 25 in my bill, do not believe me, it is fine for me, but for sure I am not here to try to ruin an old institution of Rio, so far as I never got bad experiences at L'uomo.
BTW we are very close to Carnival right? Cause ok, I never went to sambodrome, but in Copa I do not have this feeling, yet the same girls of 3 weeks ago, no new entry between the girls.
Thanks for the guys understood my point, what I meant with the joke of share this website with mongers!Lukasek,
You have always contributed to this forum in a respectful way. Don't let a few people say otherwise. I enjoy reading your posts. They are always good. I will be back in Rio soon myself, was last there sep/oct 09. Went to patong / phuket Thailand for Christmas and new year and am going back to patong for 31 days from 19th febuary. Then 3 or 4 trips to brazil this year.
If Rio is crap, I will book for 1 week there then hit fortaleza or natal for 2 to 4 weeks. I enjoy your reports keep writing them.
helpee girls seen crying because of balcony is rough for them. heavy police presence at balcony.
jamaicanceo, could you provide more detail on these two things. what did you mean by too rough for them? how?
and when you say heavy police presence, do you mean they are walking among the crowd asking for ids? or are they standing there watching everything you do, every girl you talk to and leave with?
Jamaicanceo
02-04-10, 07:50
jamaicanceo, could you provide more detail on these two things. what did you mean by too rough for them? how?
and when you say heavy police presence, do you mean they are walking among the crowd asking for ids? or are they standing there watching everything you do, every girl you talk to and leave with?point one, "too rough" the local favela girls are a balcony in larger numbers because the gringo crowd from "barbarella" and "helpee" is now at balcony. at my table tuesday night, for example, discussion included girls who complained about the number of woman out populating the men, and the girls are asking for r150-r200 per 2 hours or more depending on the gringos chemistry or the relief of the girl finally finding a client. many girls go home without clients. one of the girls is a white "barbarella" (monica with slanted eyes) who returned from the smelling balcony restroom crying because the environment does not reflect the tranquility of helpee. she got caught in a girl fight near the restrooms, and returned to start tearing up and complaining she can't make money like this. then polianna (morena with nice breast job) chimed in about working between balcony, barbarella and the pussycat strip club to make up for what she lost from helpee. different quality of girls is what is making it rough. plus the panhandling in front of balcony is more aggressive than helpee. with the playboy gringo crowd with a buyers gdp market is more volatile amongst the girls. even in front of dolce vita seems more volatile. i saw some crazy helpee girls looking intimidated. its even rough to get tables served at balcony.
my meia pataca friend who now serves tables at balcony also explained to me the problems of the girls. it forced her to get a job at balcony. several other mp girl told me today they are looking for regular jobs, because helpee is gone and balcony is not their thing! money from sex is less for the regular girls, and outside girls are working cheaper up and down atlantica.
point two, "heavy police presence" is what is state. many police cars and suv on the street and at times one vehicle would drive on the sidewalk in front of balcony where the kids beg the tables for food and money. at the same time the police have their emergency red lights on top of their vehicles flashing, similar as the police standing near new metro station entrance in large numbers with military rifles. rios favela problem is getting out of control with it's nonfavela crowd and favela crowd mixing at balcony and other places.
also balcony is for sale! the american owner is rumored to be stressed by balcony's new "high profile" gdp scene! i have two more days after getting a note from a doctor. i picked up many numbers from, balcony and pussycat to call.
Lukasek,
You have always contributed to this forum in a respectful way. Don't let a few people say otherwise. I enjoy reading your posts.
JohnnyBraz,
thanks for your kind words, I have still to share and to report my session at Centaurus and the last one at 4x4, so still something interesting to be read and then my final thoughts of these 3 weeks in Rio, probably the kind of reports will make feel somebody depressed, but surely no fake or bullshit reports from me, just my, personal, point of view, nothing more than that.
...And when you say heavy police presence, do you mean they are walking among the crowd asking for IDs? Or are they standing there watching everything you do, every girl you talk to and leave with?
Bravo,
every night I saw two police cars on the left and right of the balcony, I never saw them asking or talking with turists, neither asking ID, they just watch and care about what happens. Remember around of Balcony there are many children asking money, often guys playing capoeira and then asking money and yes, not only nice faces, but for me now from Balcony until Prado Junior looks like million times safer than when Help was still alive.
Balcony now, especially around Balcony is a really ugly zoo to my eyes with the ONLY good thing you pay no entrance and instead of hot beer from Balcony bar, after long waiting and for 6,60 reais I buy one from the seller close to Balcony, just couple of meters far, for 2,50 reais and not only me, but I saw many do this, cheaper and faster too.
And so far as the 80% of person around Balcony just stand up, now it miss only one that will rent the chairs.... :D
had been looking forward to rio but have to agree with several others that it is high priced for not that great quality.
went to l'uomo and about 10 girls and found only one i
could go for and she said her name was [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) (airplane blonde) but her
kisses were not dfk and so i passed especially with high prices quoted.
next day went to 4x4 and btw thanks to bubba boy for his excellent
guide to rio. there should be a superstar category and i would nominate him.
anyway, large selection but quality for me was not great but then i
saw a shy really cute girl and not usually my type, thin, very petite (think mia farrow). she said she was 19 and looked extremely innocent and i had a hard time getting her attention. every time i made eye contact and smiled, she would look away. it got to be a challenge and finally, she smiled and came over and quickly began dfk. ok, cabine but in the room looking at her body, i felt like a child molester since i usually am a big boob kind of guy and the more i looked at this tiny body, the more i was turned off. will know better in the future.
also, went to termas on same street as 4x4, especially the one with 4 or 5 floors up a very narrow stairway. interesting and supposedly very cheap. i guess you get what you pay for and i did not want any of them even if it were free. went to another one on the street and same story.
one more closer to main large street was closed.
bottomline, comparing china, thailand, brazil, the best for my money is still the fkks in germany.
The Windex Man
02-06-10, 12:57
gglee,
thanks for the report and i'm glad that i haven't bought my ticket yet. i was strongly thinking about switching things up this year and making a
columbia trip instead, but i have a serious addiction to thick, phat asses (andressa soares. mmmmmmmm; tatiana at mp. mmmmmmm), so i don't think fkk is an option for me, even though i've seen it recommended and am curious.
also thailand is not an option, as every picture i've seen, the women there have flat, pancake asses. just not my cup of tea; just like some guys may find the big jelly asses disgusting as well. not me! when i saw my first brazilian porno (luana. mmmmm), i was hooked and realized that i have got to go there! basically what i'm saying is that based on what i truly, truly like in a woman, it's going to be very tough to sway me from brazil regardless of the average to bad reviews because of their bodies and the bomb ass sex in bed with more women offering up the asshole than anywhere else i've ever been. however if there's another spot that is on par or close to being on par with brazil in terms of those phat asses, please let me know and i'll check it out!
anyway, back to your report, did you check out meia pattaca / balcony? if you did, i'm curious what you thought of the scene.
on a side note, shit, i didn't know there were any thin chicks in 4x4! them chicks are thick, man! got damn, i love that place!
had been looking forward to rio but have to agree with several others that it is high priced for not that great quality.
went to l'uomo and about 10 girls and found only one i
could go for and she said her name was [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) (airplane blonde) but her
kisses were not dfk and so i passed especially with high prices quoted.
next day went to 4x4 and btw thanks to bubba boy for his excellent
guide to rio. there should be a superstar category and i would nominate him.
anyway, large selection but quality for me was not great but then i
saw a shy really cute girl and not usually my type, thin, very petite (think mia farrow). she said she was 19 and looked extremely innocent and i had a hard time getting her attention. every time i made eye contact and smiled, she would look away. it got to be a challenge and finally, she smiled and came over and quickly began dfk. ok, cabine but in the room looking at her body, i felt like a child molester since i usually am a big boob kind of guy and the more i looked at this tiny body, the more i was turned off. will know better in the future.
also, went to termas on same street as 4x4, especially the one with 4 or 5 floors up a very narrow stairway. interesting and supposedly very cheap. i guess you get what you pay for and i did not want any of them even if it were free. went to another one on the street and same story.
one more closer to main large street was closed.
bottomline, comparing china, thailand, brazil, the best for my money is still the fkks in germany.
gglee,
when i wrote something similar i was almost banned :d
i agree with you, but it is hard somebody can understand or believe you without try fkk...
[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) at l'uomo looks nice there, but totally average in a fkk....
the cheap terma have really ugly girls, i am surprised some supposed to be normal guys are able to fuck them....
however thanks so much for your report, i feel less lonely now :d
maybe i should post this at the carnival section but the topic is not about carnival but about places where i should go during carnival to have a good time. with the chicas that is.
i understood helpee is gone and balcony seems not similar. correct me if i'm wrong.
maybe because of carnival, places will act different ? i just don't know.
please lead me in the right direction : i have only 5 nights in rio before continueing to buzios and i don't like to waste 3 nights by searching on the field only.
i don't mind to spend a few bucks but a mixed crowd of fl's or girls who are looking for an extra support are more my style over pro's.
thanks for the input guys ! i'm in rio next friday !
maybe i should post this at the carnival section but the topic is not about carnival but about places where i should go during carnival to have a good time. with the chicas that is.
i understood helpee is gone and balcony seems not similar. correct me if i'm wrong.
maybe because of carnival, places will act different ? i just don't know.
please lead me in the right direction : i have only 5 nights in rio before continueing to buzios and i don't like to waste 3 nights by searching on the field only.
i don't mind to spend a few bucks but a mixed crowd of fl's or girls who are looking for an extra support are more my style over pro's.
thanks for the input guys ! i'm in rio next friday !
asianatic - you maybe could give more info (eg your knowledge of the city, whether you have some porto etc) so helpful answers could be offered. the hottest thing in rio during carnaval is carnaval. whether the area around the official competition or the parties rep001tered thru the city. to come for five days during carnaval but not for carnaval is kinda weird to me, but i am sure there are reasons. best i can say is that some of the high end termas will probably close. the low end won´t give a damn. if you know rio well you will have no trouble. if you don´t - as i guess from your mention of balcony and help - my guess is you won´t find much change in balcony to how it has been the past few weeks beyond perhaps a nominal attempt to cash in.
much of rio carries on as if nothing was happening during carnaval. it is not as you have to take part. if balcony and help was your scene, you can sometimes find freelancers in the late night botequims and sucos bars along ns copa. if you want to spend money and do the higher end, you will probably spend a lot more money cos it is carnaval and parties are not cheap, even if you can get a ticket.
hope you find what you are looking for. it seems some people don´t these days.
With the exchange rate and a healthier Real, perhaps Rio is not the place it was for some people. But for others Brasil is still the best place in the world, and this is the Brasil forum, so I am inclined to defend it - I trust that is ok with people?
With FKK in Germany, you can plan it like a package tour. Same for Thailand. Go in, pay your money, know what to expect and you get it. My feeling is that Brasil, especially Rio, is maybe offering less of the ´package tour sex´ that people could find before. I am sorry that some nice guys on here have not had the time of their lives, but labelling it as a write off, labelling the high end as worthless or the low end as ugly is not a statement of fact, simply your experience. Yes, you may have spoken to gringos who agree with you - but like attracts like. I have spoken to gringos who agree more with my experience (and one or two gentlemen who agree to differ).
My expertise is not in the high end. But I urge you to listen to someone like Euro who does know how to work the high end termas (and is also a fan of FKK). Notice I said ´work.´ He uses a lot of style and technique, so check out his reports next time he posts on 4x4. Maybe it was the case that if you were not familiar with Brasilian ways, didn´t smile a lot, didn´t know how to make them laugh, suss out the genuine from the cash extractors, you could still get an acceptable time by spreading the odds. But now when you pay more, you naturally expect a higher return on ´hits´ - which is only reasonable. But perhaps you will have to work harder for it now. So you may find other countries satisfy your requirements better if you do not like the sound of it.
With the ´low end´ - yes, there are always many ugly girls. Partly cos anyone can work those places. Partly cos the stars are usually busy when you look, or only come out for a few hours, or only work certain nights, or only accept customers they like the look of. So again, you have to work at it - but that has always been the case in places like Mimosa. I am not just talking a matter of taste. I cannot post photos while travelling, but have posted comparison shots before and most of the board agreed that some of the best looking girls were from the low end places. I´m in Belem now after a fabulous few weeks in Rio and have mostly been to the midrange here - top end Belem rates - and it has been quite awesome. But people will not want to come to Belem. It offers things on a plate much less than Rio. And you may complain that it is possible to get killed - probably costs less than the 10 real going rate in Rio but falliing over and breaking your neck is equally possible.
One of the reasons I like Brasil it cos it is an adventure. For those that seek that, it is still here. For those that want to fly in for a couple of weeks and have everything the same as it is back home but with beautiful cheap bunda on a plate . . . Let´s see, would you go to a top club in NY or your own country, dressed like a pratt (in local terms), quibble about the price, act like a redneck, mooch around with a long face maybe and then complain that you couldn´t find any good nights of passion with groovy women? Of course not. Thailand will accommodate. Brasil is more choosy.
Also Balcony is for sale! The American owner is rumored to be stressed by Balcony's new "high profile" GDP scene!
Interesting comment. When I was in Rio some months ago I was sitting in TA and speaking to some guys at the next table. They told me they were going to Balcony bar and that they spoke to the American who owns the place and they said he can't wait for Help to close. He was looking for the additional business. Seems like this would be the best time to sell the place anyway with all the crowds, a prospective buyer might think that this place has a booming business. Might be booming now but who knows what the future holds for this place, the Governor might not like the ugly scene there either and close it down or the crowd could move on if another club opens up nearby.
Thursday, 28 Jan. 4X4: 1 hour, small room, Coke Zero came to R276.00 with credit card.
Tuesday, 26 Jan. Monte Carlo: 1 hour, small room and I water came to R459.00 with credit card.CEO,
Why the huge difference in prices? Has MC gone that far up? Holy shit!!
maybe i should post this at the carnival section but the topic is not about carnival but about places where i should go during carnival to have a good time. with the chicas that is.
i understood helpee is gone and balcony seems not similar. correct me if i'm wrong.
maybe because of carnival, places will act different ? i just don't know.
please lead me in the right direction : i have only 5 nights in rio before continueing to buzios and i don't like to waste 3 nights by searching on the field only.
i don't mind to spend a few bucks but a mixed crowd of fl's or girls who are looking for an extra support are more my style over pro's.
thanks for the input guys ! i'm in rio next friday !
i don't like carnaval no more that's why i am leaving on tuesday. it is not the way it used to be anymore.
imho you have to go and see at least once in your lifetime the parade in sabodromo. no matter how much you pay for the ticket. unfortunately black market prices in the last minute that you are coming. try to go sunday or monday night. don't know which one samba schools parade when but others might help on that. it matters.
furthermore try to get a ticket and go to the flamengo soccer group party called vermelho e preto ( red and black). don't know what grounds they are using now but it's worth going. also to the one held in the club of syrio e libanes (syrians and lebanese) in the lagoa area.
there used to be many more parties before. don't know any more now.
one thing tho. watch your belongings and your pockets very well. don't carry with you anything you can't afford to loose and definitely no passport or credit cards.
if you want to score for free it all depends on your looks, charm, age, the way you move in the samba beat and the lingo. same as everywhere in other words.
balcony is exactly the way it was the area outside help but smaller. lots of doable garotas last thursday night after midnight. no disco tho.
most of the termas will be closed during carnival. might be an exception with monte carlo up to saturday i guess. downtown ones all close for sure.
hope it helps.
Bravo,
every night I saw two police cars on the left and right of the balcony, I never saw them asking or talking with turists, neither asking ID, they just watch and care about what happens. Remember around of Balcony there are many children asking money, often guys playing capoeira and then asking money and yes, not only nice faces, but for me now from Balcony until Prado Junior looks like million times safer than when Help was still alive.
Correct me if I am wrong but has there not always been a police box beside balcony usually with a car beside it?
Keep up the good work Lukasek, I always find your reports refreshingly good.
reading this short article about the othon hotels getting an investment from the government sheds some light for me as to why they closed helpee. with helpee open the rio othon palace hotel was a dog of a hotel, no one would stay there and no one would make an investment in it. now that helpee is closed the government is making an investment in the hotel and i'm willing to bet many government officials knew this and have stock in the hotel, it's about greed.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/hoteis-othon-surges-on-brazilian-hotel-financing-update1-.html
In regards to comments that the Copa termas are closed during Carnaval, I don't know about this year, but last year, both MC and L'Ouomo were opened during Carnaval. The only major terma which was closed during Carnaval lastyear was 4X4 which only opened on the wednesday after Carnaval.
Jamaicanceo
02-07-10, 14:13
interesting comment. when i was in rio some months ago i was sitting in ta and speaking to some guys at the next table. they told me they were going to balcony bar and that they spoke to the american who owns the place and they said he can't wait for help to close. he was looking for the additional business. seems like this would be the best time to sell the place anyway with all the crowds, a prospective buyer might think that this place has a booming business. might be booming now but who knows what the future holds for this place, the governor might not like the ugly scene there either and close it down or the crowd could move on if another club opens up nearby.i am sending this reply from atlanta, as i am done with this trip. reflecting on it all, it's all speculation. i was before i left i heard the opposite that he wanted to sell, so we do not know of anything until it happens. even the new replacement for helpee, the meridian, is a rumor control issue. but service there is a serious issue. my friends and i got a tower of warm beer without fizz, and it took them a hout to decide to change it, and almost another hour to change it. and the owner's good looking wife who handles the money, carol, needs an attitude adjustment. maybe she's made because she can't make herself extra money at helpee anymore while her old man is running balcony. and taking a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in their hot and smelly bathroom can definitely sober up a deadman.
Jamaicanceo
02-07-10, 14:23
CEO,
Why the huge difference in prices? Has MC gone that far up? Holy shit!!The only reason in the downtown termas and the Copa ones are the who visits. I'm thinking that downtown has more of a local crowd and Copa are tourists. When was at 4x4 last November I met 2 Brazil army officers who said they others they know visit 4x4 and other for downtown termas for the lack of gringoes. But I went to Cancun and an hour with a girl and one drink was under R300.00. But the chick I sessioned with at Cancun played with the TV for some reason, didn't like me slapping her butt for her marido might see my hand prints on her ass, and she dressed and left the locker-room and returned.
Her name is Vivianne. She's cute and has a nice body.
So I say that 4x4 is the best bang for your buck.
Correct me if I am wrong but has there not always been a police box beside balcony usually with a car beside it?
Keep up the good work Lukasek, I always find your reports refreshingly good.
If you are in front of Balcony, on the left there always been box police and often, but not always a car too. But now there is a car on the right of Balcony too, going to princesa isabela just to understand. At least that's what I saw.
I will keep....thanks !
A few meters on the right of balcon (when you watch the ocean) there is a night club. lLast night 11 pm there was a queue to get in. Anyone been there to say if it is worth it ?
A few meters on the right of balcon (when you watch the ocean) there is a night club. lLast night 11 pm there was a queue to get in. Anyone been there to say if it is worth it ?
There´s Doce Vita for programmas (love it or hate it - I liked it when I got a girl who could dance and didn´t hustle and stayed all night etc etc). A few yards further along is a non-programma club.
Don't know which one samba schools parade when but others might help on that. It matters.
Have posted the list on the carnaval thread. Parties - see any travel agent.
... And taking a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in their hot and smelly bathroom can definitely sober up a deadman.
LOL !
Nobody wrote about it, but the toilet at Balcony is the worst I saw in Rio, fucking hot and smell as if they clean it once per year.
I know....who cares, right ? But sooner or later beer after beer, you will have to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)....
LOL !
Nobody wrote about it, but the toilet at Balcony is the worst I saw in Rio, fucking hot and smell as if they clean it once per year.
I know....who cares, right ? But sooner or later beer after beer, you will have to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)....
The downstairs bathroom, that you had to use at Terraço Atlântico was also a nightmare, literally you had to hold your breath, perhaps they designed the Balcony [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) room? This had to have been the worst smelling bathroom in the world I have visited!
The downstairs bathroom, that you had to use at Terraço Atlântico was also a nightmare, literally you had to hold your breath, perhaps they designed the Balcony [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) room? This had to have been the worst smelling bathroom in the world I have visited!
Come to thailand, I can assure you there are worse here!!
This had to have been the worst smelling bathroom in the world I have visited!
Not even close. Try visiting some of the countries where they use squat toilets.
Getting bored in Balcony I went across the park to Pussy Cat, and I loved it.
Nice and funny girls, strip shows, relaxed athmosphere.
I would have gone out with some girls but didn't bring enough money. You need to pay your tab (15 R$ a drink), then 50 R$ barfine to take the lady out, about another 50 R$ for the nearby motel, and 200 R$ for the lady (initial figure is 300 R$, not sure it can get lower than 200 R$).
I think next time I'll bring some money, life is short after all.
i am sending this reply from atlanta, as i am done with this trip. reflecting on it all, it's all speculation. i was before i left i heard the opposite that he wanted to sell, so we do not know of anything until it happens. even the new replacement for helpee, the meridian, is a rumor control issue. but service there is a serious issue. my friends and i got a tower of warm beer without fizz, and it took them a hout to decide to change it, and almost another hour to change it. and the owner's good looking wife who handles the money, carol, needs an attitude adjustment. maybe she's made because she can't make herself extra money at helpee anymore while her old man is running balcony. and taking a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in their hot and smelly bathroom can definitely sober up a deadman.why do you guys care about the beer and the service. i have my own beverages at my apt and i don't patronize businesses like balcony for exactly the reasons you speak about. i'm there strictly to see and possibly pick up a chick. honestly, i've never seen anything at balcony worth taking but i've been there a few times to look around. but i think we need to start hitting these businesses in the balls. stop buying shit from them. stop doing any business with them. just use their place to pick up chicks. this stuff is like a disease in brazil. people and businesses that offer terrible service but continue to do so because gringos like us keep giving them money. they have no reason to get your beer changed fast. why bother when you'll be back on your next trip buying beer again. we have to make them pay for treating us like shit.
Jamaicanceo
02-08-10, 17:09
Why do you guys care about the beer and the service. I have my own beverages at my apt and I don't patronize businesses like balcony for exactly the reasons you speak about. I'm there strictly to see and possibly pick up a chick. Honestly, I've never seen anything at Balcony worth taking but I've been there a few times to look around. But I think we need to start hitting these businesses in the balls. Stop buying shit from them. Stop doing any business with them. Just use their place to pick up chicks. This stuff is like a disease in Brazil. People and businesses that offer terrible service but continue to do so because gringos like us keep giving them money. They have no reason to get your beer changed fast. Why bother when you'll be back on your next trip buying beer again. We have to make them pay for treating us like shit.You could be right. But I do no fly all the way to Rio to drink in my apartment. And before I choose a girl for the night, I like to watch as many as possible. Having cold beer towers with friends is fun. Plus a friend how helps me is an older working girl that I never had, and, will not have sex with knows many girls in Copa from and they sit at her table. And she works at the Pussy Cat, where Barbarella girls frequent. She steers girls to me that I like and the price is reasonable. So cold beer towers are important. One tall and one half cold tower and it's a night of watching and seeing enough girls to pick one or not.
The main issue with Balcony is that they do not use professional waiters like the other Copa restaurants. As a former restaurant owner, you do not hire busboys to be waiters to save money. I think if the American decides to keep Balcony, all the customer service issues will be fixed. It costs too much to fix things over and over, then to get it right the first-time.
But I do not go to Rio to penny-pinch or drink in my apartment. If that works for then I am glad for you.
Tiradentes
02-08-10, 17:17
reading this short article about the othon hotels getting an investment from the government sheds some light for me as to why they closed helpee. with helpee open the rio othon palace hotel was a dog of a hotel, no one would stay there and no one would make an investment in it. now that helpee is closed the government is making an investment in the hotel and i'm willing to bet many government officials knew this and have stock in the hotel, it's about greed.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/hoteis-othon-surges-on-brazilian-hotel-financing-update1-.html
othon hotels are 'dogs' all over brazil ,and not only the one next to help.
othon bh is a mess.
othon sp is dumphole
etc.
and i am not not even speaking about the othon offsprings.
has anyone visited savoy othon in rio ? it is the ants capital of the world.
friendly advice:
stay out of any brazilian owned hotel.
stay away of any brazilian restaurant.
don't fly any brazilian airline.
just bang their women.
time to keep on reporting, at least for the ones who enjoyed my post ;)
so far as i banged the best girls, in my opinion, in the most famous termas and i did not want at such prices to get one i did not like much, i thought could be a good idea to try the rip off terma, the so called centaurus.
going there using my portoguese i asked taxi driver if he wanted to get commission as it was my first time there, he obviously said yes and i asked him how i could make to pay only entrance, cause as you know, at centaurus they try to make you pay in advance entrance+40 minutes before you even dress bathrobe.
he said, in portoguese, just tell they cannot sell entrance together sex and that's all !
at reception there were two guys already paying the 450 reais in advance, i told them why ? they told me, it is the way it works at c.
i patiently wait they went to lockers and when the man showed me the paper that explains all you can do in terma, the fact you pay 450 reais and you have 40 minutes with girl and etc....i told him i already was in.....4x4, luomo, montecarlo, solarium, 65, cancun, ancora in barra da recreio and i never paid in advance and i will never do, cause i am sure they cannot sell together entrance+sex, he smiled and said ok, 120 reais entrance.
almost the double entrance of the other termas, i know, but at least it was up to me if to bang a girl or not.
let's say it is true, there are a bit better looking girls than in the other termas. it is true that they are very pushy, but who cares ?
after i told the same sentence, agora quero fichar sozinho, ( now i want to stay alone ), to 4-5 girls, they immediately stop to come to me and i could drink in peace my beer and start to look around....
as you easily guess 99% are gringos, guess why....
i saw couple of blondes with total white skin they could be russian ones, the second one told me with a big smile she was obviously completa, a level, so i decided to take her.
her name was [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901), something as 160cm for 45 kg, long blond straight hair, i waited her for ages in bedroom, not good beginning but the best arrived when she told me, there is a problem ?!?
"i finished my gel". i told her, ask to one friend or find a new one, she said no....obviously i already understood how it could end, but it ended even worst....
she wanted to bj with condom, i said no and the bbbj was so sad it looks like more handjob, then she said we can try anal and obviously she feels pain and i did not insist more.
so i could complain, report to owner, get angry, but....so far as i know they are first of all human being and even if i can bet she is a real asshole, maybe she just had a bad day. i am not a kind of guy i [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) or i do something the girl do not like, no matter if she lies me a while before, i decided to take it all veeery easy and i just left the bedroom with no orgasm at all.
the girl who clean the room saw me get out of room quickly and after a while i went into and asked me if all was good.... i thought a while and i said with a big smile, yes all was great !
actually i did not care, i knew i was ripped off, but i took it as just losing money and i did not let to make this experience to make me get angry.
i thought to what to do next day as this was only one of the many times in this holiday rio dissappointed me.
i know that if [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) just had a bad day for whatever reason, she did not deserve to get some problems and if she lies all the times, sooner or later she will lie to brazilian one who could care less if she had finished the gel for anal sex.
probably some of you will not agree with me, but i feel just fine in this way.
it was for sure my last time at centaurus and as i will report later, probably even my last time in rio.
lifes is so short and so beautiful to let to one girl to make me angry for....not having good sex.
oh yes, i burned about 180 euro for nothing, lesson learned for sure !
however i do not have the feeling i choose the wrong girl, but that i went to wrong place where, more or less, all the girls behave in not the best "way".
cheers...but with smile :d
So far as I banged the best girls, in my opinion, in the most famous termas and I did not want at such prices to get one I did not like much, I thought could be a good idea to try the rip off terma, the so called Centaurus.
Luke,
Thanks for the detailed report. I was REALLY hoping that your report would be different from all of the other reports we have heard about Centaurus. But I guess not. Sounds like you had the same crappy result that most other guys get too. Can't tell you the number of times that I "almost" went to Centaurus but ended up going somewhere else. I am glad I did. Thanks for reconfirming my suspicions.
Arivaderci,
Jake
Stay away of any Brazilian restaurant.
Don't fly any Brazilian airline.
Both of these statements are patently absurd. There are many fine Brazilian restaurants, and I have received excellent service on Brazilian airlines.
You could be right. But I do no fly all the way to Rio to drink in my apartment. And before I choose a girl for the night, I like to watch as many as possible. Having cold beer towers with friends is fun. Plus a friend how helps me is an older working girl that I never had, and, will not have sex with knows many girls in Copa from and they sit at her table. And she works at the Pussy Cat, where Barbarella girls frequent. She steers girls to me that I like and the price is reasonable. So cold beer towers are important. One tall and one half cold tower and it's a night of watching and seeing enough girls to pick one or not.
The main issue with Balcony is that they do not use professional waiters like the other Copa restaurants. As a former restaurant owner, you do not hire busboys to be waiters to save money. I think if the American decides to keep Balcony, all the customer service issues will be fixed. It costs too much to fix things over and over, then to get it right the first-time.
But I do not go to Rio to penny-pinch or drink in my apartment. If that works for then I am glad for you.I hear you. I'm not advocating penny pinching at all. I'm saying why should we spend money with people and businesses that offer terrible service and on top of that dont care that it's terrible. I love going to Porcau while I'm in Rio. Definitely an expensive dinner by Brazilian standards but the food is great and so is the service.
I joked a couple weeks back about going to Europe instead of Rio this March with all the bad reports that have been on this board but my biggest hesitation was always losing that 45% on the exchange rate before you get off the plane. Lokks like that is all starting to change as the Dollar is gaining strength again after years of being shit on by the rest of the world. 1.68 to 1.86 Dollars to Reals in the last 2 weeks and 1.46 to 1.35 on the Euro. My new determing factor is what happens 1st. 2 to 1 Reals or 1 to 1.25 Euros. My mongering future is now in the hands of the currency traders. LOL
. Lokks like that is all starting to change as the Dollar is gaining strength again after years of being shit on by the rest of the world. 1. 68 to 1. 86 Dollars to Reals in the last 2 weeks and 1. 46 to 1. 35 on the Euro. My new determing factor is what happens 1st. 2 to 1 Reals or 1 to 1. 25 Euros. My mongering future is now in the hands of the currency traders. LOLI recently visited the north of Spain for Business. While I was there I discovered 3 Places which were very much like Termas. There were lots of girls from South america. Quite a few Brazilians & Columbians. The price was 65 Euros for 30 Minutes. Had 3 or 4 really good GFE experiences there.
The City was called Bilbao. There is more info on this place in the Spain thread.
asianatic - you maybe could give more info (eg your knowledge of the city, whether you have some porto etc) so helpful answers could be offered. the hottest thing in rio during carnaval is carnaval. whether the area around the official competition or the parties rep001tered thru the city.
thanks for the replies, however i'm a very frequent traveller to asia, i have never experienced rio. yes, i am there for carnival too but want to enjoy 24hrs a day. i got a sambadrome ticket and accomodation in flamengo area. my portuguese is limited to some basic spanish. what are botequims and sucos bars anyway ? any name ?
one thing i can't really understand about safety. if one wants to go out for a night, he has to carry money right ? i got a inner pocket being stitched in my evening pant as well as a couple of shorts. still, i will take a taxi everywhere as i could understood is the safest way to get around during rio. (please correct me if i am mistaken). dresscode : will a fancy black pant with short sleeve shirt be alright ? apart from the carnival, i'd like to enjoy the "regular" nightlife.
leaving this thursday.
thank you,
Jamaicanceo
02-09-10, 15:00
I hear you. I'm not advocating penny pinching at all. I'm saying why should we spend money with people and businesses that offer terrible service and on top of that dont care that it's terrible. I love going to Porcau while I'm in Rio. Definitely an expensive dinner by Brazilian standards but the food is great and so is the service.You're right Mongmann. Porcau has great service, and so does most Brazilian restaurants that I've dined. But the service at Balcony is lower than a little kid selling chiclets, because at least the price, product and service generate no complaints.
Thanks for the replies, however I'm a very frequent traveller to Asia, I have never experienced Rio. Yes, I am there for carnival too but want to enjoy 24hrs a day. I got a sambadrome ticket and accomodation in Flamengo area. My Portuguese is limited to some basic spanish. What are botequims and sucos bars anyway ? Any name ?
One thing I can't really understand about safety. If one wants to go out for a night, he HAS to carry money right ? I got a inner pocket being stitched in my evening pant as well as a couple of shorts. Still, I will take a taxi everywhere as I could understood is the safest way to get around during Rio. (please correct me if I am mistaken). Dresscode : will a fancy black pant with short sleeve shirt be alright ? Apart from the carnival, I'd like to enjoy the "regular" nightlife.
Leaving this thursday.
Thank you, Asiatic,
At the risk of upstaging any of the guys who actually live in Rio today, I will tell you that you don't have a whole lot to worry about beyond how you would normally conduct yourself in Asia. Yes, there is crime, yes you must be aware of your surroundings. There are ATM machine just about everywhere in the better trodden parts of Rio so depending on your plans, you don't need huge wads of cash in your pocket. Also, credit cards are becoming more and more commonplace in Brazil. Although make sure you have more than Amex (VISA or MC) to avoid disappointment.
Sucos bars IMHO are one of Brazil's gems. In Zona Sul they are everywhere and serve up all kinds of common and exotic juices. My personal favorite is in Ipanema at the corner of Visconte de Piraja and Maria Quiteria. But there are literally hundreds if not thousand of these places.
Botequims in Rio are almost as plentiful and vary from a hole in the wall to something that might resemble a restaurant. IMHO a botequim is like a neighborhood bar. Again, picking a favorite is like naming your favorite girl - it's a matter of personal taste. My personal favorite is just down the street from the aforementioned juice bar on Maria Quiteria closer to Prudente de Morais and is called "Espalunca". Great little hole in the wall with great cold beer. A bit more upscale for many but for me it's the right combination of cold beer snacks and eye candy. Of course, this info will be of limited use to you as you will be in Flamengo. But ask the door man where you can find a sucos bar or a botequim and he will be happy to make suggestions.
Finally, language. If you know some Spanish you are way ahead of the average gringo tourist to Rio. Knowing some Portuguese is useful but certainly not necessary. Any "service provider" with half a brain (be it for sex, food, drinks, or even a beach umbrella will make an effort to make himself (or herself) understood in an effort to seal a transaction.
Have fun - be aware - and enjoy your self in the Cidade Marvilhoso.
My personal favorite is just down the street from the aforementioned juice bar on Maria Quiteria closer to Prudente de Morais and is called "Espalunca". Great little hole in the wall with great cold beer. A bit more upscale for many but for me it's the right combination of cold beer snacks and eye candy.
One of my favorites too, right down the street from the Ceasar Park hotel. Whenever I'm in the neighborhood I always stop in, one time 3 cougars approached me, one was a Doctor, we exchanged numbers, one actually called me but we never connected but there are possibilities there.
Asiatic,
My personal favorite is just down the street from the aforementioned juice bar on Maria Quiteria closer to Prudente de Morais and is called "Espalunca". Great little hole in the wall with great cold beer. A bit more upscale for many but for me it's the right combination of cold beer snacks and eye candy. Of course, this info will be of limited use to you as you will be in Flamengo.
Thanks Jake, good info. Why will Ipanema be off-limited ? I exactly want to explore Ipanema and Copacabana ! I had choosen the accomodation in Flamengo just to sleep a couple of hours but will be out to Lapa, Ipanema & Copa en anywhere where I feel the vibe no matter the distance.
Espalunca sounds pretty cool and will hop in for sure this weekend.
Thanks Jake, good info. Why will Ipanema be off-limited ? I exactly want to explore Ipanema and Copacabana ! I had choosen the accomodation in Flamengo just to sleep a couple of hours but will be out to Lapa, Ipanema & Copa en anywhere where I feel the vibe no matter the distance.
Espalunca sounds pretty cool and will hop in for sure this weekend.Don't misunderstand me - I just thought that if you are staying in Flamingo it will not exactly be in your "hood". But if you don't mind a $10 taxi ride then by all means enjoy the suco bars and bars of Ipanema!!
One of my favorites too, right down the street from the Ceasar Park hotel. Whenever I'm in the neighborhood I always stop in, one time 3 cougars approached me, one was a Doctor, we exchanged numbers, one actually called me but we never connected but there are possibilities there.Absolutely!!!! On Thursday nights it seems to be a favorite with Carioca MILFs!!!!
thanks for the replies, however i'm a very frequent traveller to asia, i have never experienced rio. yes, i am there for carnival too but want to enjoy 24hrs a day. i got a sambadrome ticket and accomodation in flamengo area. my portuguese is limited to some basic spanish. what are botequims and sucos bars anyway ? any name ?
one thing i can't really understand about safety. if one wants to go out for a night, he has to carry money right ? i got a inner pocket being stitched in my evening pant as well as a couple of shorts. still, i will take a taxi everywhere as i could understood is the safest way to get around during rio. (please correct me if i am mistaken). dresscode : will a fancy black pant with short sleeve shirt be alright ? apart from the carnival, i'd like to enjoy the "regular" nightlife.
leaving this thursday.
thank you,
botequims are street cafes. sucos (fruit juice) bars are similar but more of a stand up affaitr. flamengo is pretty safe. good for you stitching pockets inside your pants - that´s what i do (brasilians sometimes just pick the lining to make somewhere to store a little cash.) just carry what you need. i carry small notes in a rubber band so it is obvious i am not carrying much. if i need a little more for something else, i carry it in a different pocket, in a pocket down the front of my pants, or even in my shoes (a plastic cover helps if you do this). in the unlikely event you are mugged, they need to find the easiest thing that makes it worth their while, after which they will generally leave you alone. you can afford to lose 100r in such circumstances.
for expensive clubs, you can wear any fancy clothes you like, especially in carnaval. if you wear shorts, something bought in brasil looks better than anything from abroad. i am still trying to figure out why one particular pair i have is especially good for pulling chicks. but if you wear designer, that is cool too, especially brands recognised in brasil. shirts - why not just buy a couple when you get here? cheap ones from centro market by uruguiana station, expensive ones from ipanema or somewhere fairly classy like hobi club on barata ribeiro (by siqueira campos station). carnaval shirts are also cool this time of year. i quite like the ready made stich on or iron pockets - just started bringing one with me, pick up a needle and thread locally and add it to whatever i buy here.
transport - if you are streetwise, taxis in my opinion are a totally unnecessary expense. get one if you go to the opera or a special occasion as you would back home. but rio is a big city and can be confusing and overpowering on a first visit, and taxis are reassuriung to start with. buses travel everywhere, are fast and cheap (have coins or small bills ready - the fare is 2.20 or slightly more if aircon.) get on at the front, pay at the turnstile (or pay driver if no conductor), act normal and not go wow when it accelrates at speed lol, pull th bell in good time and get off at the back.
hope this helps asianatic. enjoy!
ps the major important thing on shorts or bermudas as they are called is the length. knee length, not the sort that are worn during the day in oz or mowing the lawn on england`s rare sunny day. short ones, that end well above the knee, are really for women and children. and gringoes of course. even if they are sold in taco. but the brasilians are very forgiving.
Hi,
I just wanted to know if help is indeed closed?
Member #3433
02-10-10, 00:26
I spent the last month in Rio. I do not post here due that I feel I don't have much to contribute and would only be writing what has already been posted. However, thought I might warn you guys about a girl in Centauras. Yes I know alot of you guys hate this place. To exspensive, bad girls, whatever. I have a great time in there, many GFE's. Charlie the bartender is great and the girls in the locker room are nice.
Met a girl there "Laura" in Jan. Everything started out normal. Screened her properly and had a great GFE with her. Without asking she gave me her phone number to hang out later at Melt. We were going to Nossa Semhora that night so I told her maybe another time. After my session with her I started to feel that she would be clingy so I for sure did not want to hang out with her outside of Centauras.
Two days later my friend and I show up at Cent. She is immediately all over me. I tell her I want some space and would like to spend some time with other girls. She understands my weak portuguese but is still all over me kissing me telling me how much she likes me, doesn't want to go upstairs, just wants to spend time with me outside the club, blah, blah, blah. She continues to stick her tounge down my throat as I am trying to get away from her. It is starting to cause a scene and people are staring at us. Now she is grabbing me and not letting me walk away. She put scratch marks on my chest and was pulling my robe off. One of the girls that I know told me to come with her and she would tell her boss. She pulls me away from Laura and go to the relax room where my friend tells the boss what is happening (for those of you who have seen the female that runs the girls in Centauras she is in great shape, muscular and looks like she could kick some a$$). The boss lady immediately runs into the bar. I stayed in the relax room for a while. After that I had no more problems with Laura.
Maybe someone here has had a good experience with her. She is either crazy, high on drugs (my opinon) or both.
I understand the girls can be extremely jelous, however this experience was over the top. Laura is a gorgeous girl and the $&* was fantastic but she was absolutely crazy. I have had experiences with jelous girls (to include terma girls) in Rio but she was over the top.
Thank you to all ISG members for your great reports and helping make my trips to Brazil much more enjoyable.
Sonny
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Are there any strip shows in Rio where the girls invite you to take part?
Smooth Slim
02-10-10, 06:33
Sucos bars IMHO are one of Brazil's gems. In Zona Sul they are everywhere and serve up all kinds of common and exotic juices. My personal favorite is in Ipanema at the corner of Visconte de Piraja and Maria Quiteria. But there are literally hundreds if not thousand of these places.
Oh yeah.. my favorite too... Polis Sucos... Got to order a shake made from açaí (ah-sigh-EE), with bananas and topped with granola.
Hi,
I just wanted to know if help is indeed closed?
No dude, they are just closed for renovations. They will be openning up at the end of the month. If you wear a Brazil national soccer jersey with the "S" instead of the "Z", you don"t have to pay entrance fee.
Also, Free drinks alll night long for the first week they open. Have fun! Wish I could be there. RTFF!
Brazil Specialist
02-10-10, 14:17
Are there any strip shows in Rio where the girls invite you to take part?
it could be so.
But you might be better off going to orgy places like 2a2 ou henriclube. I must tell you though that they hate gringos coming with *****s to a partner switching place. If you have to bring a program girl, chose one that behaves and does not look like one. No loud talker, no fat black girl, not too many tatoos, preferably correct portuguese speaker, etc.
Much better to just darn hire a few girls to do a private strip show for you and then you take part.
Why do you want to take part? for money savings? probably not worth it, better go to cheap places. For the kicks of it? maybe try orgies, hit me and I might be up to doing some orgies.
Only problem, i don't get the email notifications for private messages, so I take a while to answer to PM. Any admin who wants to try to fix that?
Brazil Specialist
02-10-10, 14:23
Thanks for the replies, however I'm a very frequent traveller to Asia, I have never experienced Rio. Yes, I am there for carnival too but want to enjoy 24hrs a day. I got a sambadrome ticket and accomodation in Flamengo area. My Portuguese is limited to some basic spanish. What are botequims and sucos bars anyway ? Any name ?
One thing I can't really understand about safety. If one wants to go out for a night, he HAS to carry money right ? I got a inner pocket being stitched in my evening pant as well as a couple of shorts. Still, I will take a taxi everywhere as I could understood is the safest way to get around during Rio. (please correct me if I am mistaken). Dresscode : will a fancy black pant with short sleeve shirt be alright ? Apart from the carnival, I'd like to enjoy the "regular" nightlife.
Leaving this thursday.
Thank you,
You HAVE to carry money. It is called mugger money. If a guy robs you and you have no money, he will be disappointed. and pissed. Don't disappoint him. You don't want to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) of people who are armed.
So you should have at least R$ 70 or so on you at all times.
I hope people wrote enough about safety here. Just be careful. Don't laugh about people who take a taxi for 2 blocks at 3 am. They are right.
I love Açai. I am the Açai specialist. Best place is Bibi Sucos Leblon, Copacabana, etc. There is an even better place in Flamengo for the specialists who has the REAL pure strong Açai straight from Belem. Tacaca do Norte, across from Hotel Barão de Flamengo. But it is not cold, smoothy like, but much more concentrated. Oh, this is near scort show agency, where you can see the book and the new girls on a street corner if you made an appointment.
Personally, I have trained some juice bars to make Açai for me with "menos xarope" or "sem xarope", less guaraná sirup or none. I think the regular stuff is too sweet. No sirup needs to get a small serving of sirup to add it yourself.
Granola is best as a topping on the side, you sprinkle it yourself. Banana also is best as slices on the side.
Brazil Specialist
02-10-10, 14:29
I already saw dozens and personally did half a dozen of Help and Barbarella girls for R$ 15 to R$ 40.
Even in the past some of them had a daytime job with secure regular income (the cheap brothel) and worked at Help at night. Now some of them retreated to only such a job
They do make reasonable money because the have lots of customers per day.
The funny thing is: when you pay less they are much less conceited then if you found the same girl at Help and paid a few hundred.
Maybe the gringo mongers will dry out and thus leave the girls to us residents, for much cheaper prices.
I already saw dozens and personally did half a dozen of Help and Barbarella girls for R$ 15 to R$ 40.
Even in the past some of them had a daytime job with secure regular income (the cheap brothel) and worked at Help at night. Now some of them retreated to only such a job
They do make reasonable money because the have lots of customers per day.
The funny thing is: when you pay less they are much less conceited then if you found the same girl at Help and paid a few hundred.
Maybe the gringo mongers will dry out and thus leave the girls to us residents, for much cheaper prices.See this is why we can trust you for valueable info because you dont even want us to be there LOL
The Windex Man
02-10-10, 22:10
Thanks for the intel. Can you share some names of these brothels where you fucked former HELP/Barbarella girls for less than 40 reais? Sounds like that place in Centro that charges 1 reais per minute, but want to verify. Because of ridiculously high airline prices out of Atlanta, I was thinking of skipping Rio this year, but if that can be offset by fucking HOT former HELP girls for super cheap dollars, I will reconsider. From what I've been reading, the rate at Balcony pretty much starts at 200 reais.
No Thanks.
I already saw dozens and personally did half a dozen of Help and Barbarella girls for R$ 15 to R$ 40.
Even in the past some of them had a daytime job with secure regular income (the cheap brothel) and worked at Help at night. Now some of them retreated to only such a job
They do make reasonable money because the have lots of customers per day.
The funny thing is: when you pay less they are much less conceited then if you found the same girl at Help and paid a few hundred.
Maybe the gringo mongers will dry out and thus leave the girls to us residents, for much cheaper prices.
Are there any strip shows in Rio where the girls invite you to take part?
What do you want to do? Strip with the stripper?
I've been on the stage with the strippers at Barbarellas several times in years past, the girls dug it, I danced with them, we had fun.
If you want to orgy in public then Barzilspecialist below gave you some good advice, go to the 2 swingers clubs he mentioned. I've been to them and didn't experience any problems because I am a gringo, I did go with a Brasileira who wasn't a pro and the guys liked her a lot, so maybe that helped.
I already saw dozens and personally did half a dozen of Help and Barbarella girls for R$ 15 to R$ 40.
Even in the past some of them had a daytime job with secure regular income (the cheap brothel) and worked at Help at night. Now some of them retreated to only such a job
They do make reasonable money because the have lots of customers per day.
The funny thing is: when you pay less they are much less conceited then if you found the same girl at Help and paid a few hundred.
Maybe the gringo mongers will dry out and thus leave the girls to us residents, for much cheaper prices.
Sorry but I do not believe Help girls, famous for be lazy and to have high absurd prices are now working in terma for 40 reais for session ?!?
The help girls who hardly went down -50 reais until morning will never work for only 40 reais !
And the fact you not mention which are these termas where they are supposed to work, confirm it is not true.
I was in Rio after Help closure and I went to real many, many termas and I saw ZERO Help girls but you see Help girls everywhere ? Yes, and tomorrow it is february 30 :D
Yes, and tomorrow it is february 30 :D
I also don't imagine one single second Barbarella chicks, who are kind of "cream of the crop" in Copacabana, opening their legs for 15RS to 40RS.
I fucked Paris Hilton yesterday BTW.
:rolleyes:
Jamaicanceo
02-11-10, 04:33
i also don't imagine one single second barbarella chicks, who are kind of "cream of the crop" in copacabana, opening their legs for 15rs to 40rs.
i fucked paris hilton yesterday btw.
:rolleyes:barbarella, "cream of the crop" for who? barbarella girls are suffering in the post helpee era like the other stuck up garotas who were over compensated by naive gringoes. i sat with barbarella broads a few days ago who were not getting a bite on the high prices. after balcony they even were at the strip club pussy cat trying to get work. one dumb ass named poliana, a 8 morena with redone tits, told me sitting at balcony that her minimum price was r350. i said good luck with all this cheap pussy walking around balcony.
Mr Enternational
02-11-10, 04:33
Sorry but I do not believe Help girls, famous for be lazy and to have high absurd prices are now working in terma for 40 reais for session ?!?
The help girls who hardly went down -50 reais until morning will never work for only 40 reais !
And the fact you not mention which are these termas where they are supposed to work, confirm it is not true.Yes Brother Luk. They always have. And many of us have said this repeatedly in the forum for the last few years. Now I'm not saying that ALL and EVERY of them were. I'm not even saying 50%. But a good number of those that you find at VM for R$26 and BA85 for R$20 (R$15 on the second floor!) are the same ones who went to Help later on at night and wanted R$400. I have witnessed this many occasions. And I'm sure many Rio regulars who get out of Copacabana and don't confine their mongering to top-tier termas can attest to it as well.
Sometimes I saw them at Help first and saw them a different time at their el cheapo spot, and sometimes I saw them at the el cheapo spot first and saw them at Help on another time. The only difference, and what most guys insist on, is the setting. Some people would rather pay a premium for ambiance since they have traveled half way around the world, while there are others who don't mind fucking in the back seat of a rusted out 1968 VW Bug sitting on cinder blocks in an undisclosed location.
What you have to remember is that around Rio and Sao Paulo beautiful women are a-dime-a-dozen (plentiful). One who you think is a beauty queen is just an average run of the mill Sally Sue to most other Brazilians. I remember when I was a newbie my question was always, "how do they choose the models?" in that country. To this day I still don't know the answer. But I do know that hair, make-up, and clothes work wonders!
Yes Brother Luk. They always have. And many of us have said this repeatedly in the forum for the last few years. Now I'm not saying that ALL and EVERY of them were. I'm not even saying 50%. But a good number of those that you find at VM for R$26 and BA85 for R$20 (R$15 on the second floor!) are the same ones who went to Help later on at night and wanted R$400. I have witnessed this many occasions. And I'm sure many Rio regulars who get out of Copacabana and don't confine their mongering to top-tier termas can attest to it as well.
Sometimes I saw them at Help first and saw them a different time at their el cheapo spot, and sometimes I saw them at the el cheapo spot first and saw them at Help on another time. The only difference, and what most guys insist on, is the setting. Some people would rather pay a premium for ambiance since they have traveled half way around the world, while there are others who don't mind fucking in the back seat of a rusted out 1968 VW Bug sitting on cinder blocks in an undisclosed location.
What you have to remember is that around Rio and Sao Paulo beautiful women are a-dime-a-dozen (plentiful). One who you think is a beauty queen is just an average run of the mill Sally Sue to most other Brazilians. I remember when I was a newbie my question was always, "how do they choose the models?" in that country. To this day I still don't know the answer. But I do know that hair, make-up, and clothes work wonders!I agree.
RR
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