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4 Balconygirls. 150-200R for 2 hours each.Knew about this bar from previous visits. Is the price quoted pretty much what you can expect? I have spoken to several girls and most asked more especially if they were in better shape than the average girl there. One I got for 150 complete but only for 1 hr..
2 La Ciccolina girls. 150-200R Found this last night even though I have walked past it just about every day for the last 4 days. Are all the girls Pros there or am I going to do my usual trick of picking the only non pro in the building and getting nowhere fast?
1 BA85 girl. Can anyone tell me where this is and give me a brief run down on it?
Total 7 girls and I had great sex with 6 of them, only one Balconygirl caused me some trouble (Julia, 26-28y, had a Jewish look). She wanted money before sex in my hotel, she refused to take a shower before sex and so on. I gave her 100R and threw her out.
Sounds very much like 1 I tried but mine did take a shower she just would not do anything until money was in hand. Showing it was not enough.
Also has a very skinny girl with crooked teeth and huge breasts. Spoke good English with a slight lisp. She promised a lot but when it came down to delivering claimed to be really tired and only mediocre performance. Also wanted R$250 to start with but dropped to $150 in the end.
Just remembered she asked me to take her pic. Attached now
"Pussycat" had a lot of hot girls, Can anyone tell me where this is?
I am learning to Speak Portuguese but so far everyone has told me to stick with my mediocre Spanish as they can't understand my attempts at Porto one girl even told me "just speak English OK" Still will practice every opportunity I get.
I learned the hard way, that there is a time limit on a cell phone number. I am pissed because I had this numer for 8 years and I had to go to the TIM store in Rio SUL and buy a new chip ad get a new number. The guy at TIM explained it to me, if you put 50R on your TIM number, they will hold that line for 6 months for you. However, anything less than 50R and they will only hold the line for 1-3 months. I havent been back in rio for 7 months, so my number was no longer available.
I finally went to Cervantes today to try their filet mignon and pineapple sandwich, I bought one for myself and another for a friend and a plate of fries. When I got home and opened the bag, I was unimpressed. I knew I wasnt going to get a sandwich like the huge Heroes we get in NYC at the local bodegas, but this was ridiculous. The sandwiches are a little smaller than a McDonald's double cheeseburger!!! For 15R, I was expecting ALOT more!!!!!!
Was it a good sandwich? Yes, it was good, nothing to go crazy for, but they were all right. Was it worth damn near 10 bucks for that little ass sandwich? Hell No!! You didnt even get fries with the sandwich, I had to buy those seperate. I would much rather go to big necter and order dinner there for 10R than go back to cervantes.
Mr Enternational
03-24-10, 00:04
I finally went to Cervantes today to try their filet mignon and pineapple sandwich, I bought one for myself and another for a friend and a plate of fries. When I got home and opened the bag, I was unimpressed. I knew I wasnt going to get a sandwich like the huge Heroes we get in NYC at the local bodegas, but this was ridiculous. The sandwiches are a little smaller than a McDonald's double cheeseburger!!! For 15R, I was expecting ALOT more!!!!!!
Was it a good sandwich? Yes, it was good, nothing to go crazy for, but they were all right. Was it worth damn near 10 bucks for that little ass sandwich? Hell No!! You didnt even get fries with the sandwich, I had to buy those seperate. I would much rather go to big necter and order dinner there for 10R than go back to cervantes.
You forgot to get the cheese. Maybe that is why yours was so small! No but actually did they go down in size? Because when I used to buy them I couldn't eat a whole one at one sitting. The last time I bought one (shortly after they remodeled) I was still hungry after. And you are right, it is expensive. See you at Big Nectar.
Exec Talent
03-24-10, 01:57
This is the link to the above mentioned girl. I was with her yesterday afternoon, this time she leaves her phone on, it is always ringing, she must get a lot of business. She actually came over to my apartment unannounced, I didn't call her, it was a surprise visit. And what a surprise it was, I had just called CIAPLUS to send over a girl, went to take a shower and was putting shaving cream on my face when the door bell rings; I think it’s too early for the girl to have arrived already.
I go to the door and it's not my CIA escort, it's this girl here. I tell her to come in and sit down and tell her I will be right back and finish my shave.
I quickly get my phone and call CIA back and my phone tell me I have 2 minutes of time left. I get them on the phone and tell them to not send the escort, they understand, the girl never shows up.
Back to my escort now sitting in the living room, we have something to discuss, then we have an afternoon session, while we are having sex her phone does not stop ringing, business must be good. After 2 pops she gets up rushes to take a shower, runs out the door, no payment.
http://www.hotside.com.br/app/site/modelo/?id=761
Yet, another non-pro. Impressive!
John Cricket
03-24-10, 06:10
ET,
What Am I, (are we) missing?
You seem to be offended by SangueBons's posts/reports.
What did I miss. he seems to be providing awesome feedback on his experiences.
I dont get it.Dude's simply a griefer.
Dude's simply a griefer.
Wow that's a good word:
Griefing is the act of chronically causing grief to other members of an online community
Reasons for griefing
There are as many motivations for griefing as there are griefers, but common causes are:
Emotional immaturity and/or instability.
Responding to griefers
In terms of dealing with griefers, the community must eventually make a cost-benefit analysis to determine whether a participant's contributions justify the loss of morale they inflict on other users.
Dealing with a griefer is often dependent on the exact nature of their activities.
Sometimes griefers should simply be ignored.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Griefing
San,
Do you have any youtube video in centro showing footage of 4x4 and other spots?
My day in the big city.
Unfortunately I didn't find it easy to get a good video but I got a few shots.
I have been to Centro before just to go to 4 by 4, This was the first time I ever entered any of the smaller casas in the neighborhood. My impression was that although the facilities were not luxurious the places looked like fun had doable girls especially considering the price.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpbLGvbzw9I
Exec Talent
03-24-10, 14:16
Wow that's a good word:
Hmmm, I thought he meant griever -- like when an academic dies. No wait, that too would be another word.
Full Throttle
03-24-10, 15:21
A couple of years ago, Monte Carlo started a membership program where, after spending 500R, entrance was subsequently free forever. The business model seemed rather desperate and counter-intuitive to my observation of Brazilian corporate practices. Still, I am about to start visiting regularly, and I think that would work well for my purposes. Anybody know if they still do this?
I haven't been since Help closed. Though I rarely entered, its absence will be a major cultural change for my short, but frequent Rio visits. Usually, I would go to apartments or to a terma downtown, have beers with friends, then end up at Help at or before midnight. Occasionally, we would go in, but usually hang out for a couple of hours out front.
So, aside from the obvious answer of replacing Help with Balcony, I would be interested in suggesions to fill that portion of my routine.
FT
Wow that's a good word:
I prefer the definition of griefer from Urbandictionary;
"An individual who uses online games, instant messaging, e-mail, or any other communication method to harass, obstruct, or in some way make an experience sour for another person."
Safado Lover
03-24-10, 23:55
A couple of years ago, Monte Carlo started a membership program where, after spending 500R, entrance was subsequently free forever. The business model seemed rather desperate and counter-intuitive to my observation of Brazilian corporate practices. Still, I am about to start visiting regularly, and I think that would work well for my purposes. Anybody know if they still do this?I was in Monte in November. If you mean the membership program that you put your finger on the fingerprint reader, yes they still do this.
My day in the big city.
Unfortunately I didn't find it easy to get a good video but I got a few shots.
I have been to Centro before just to go to 4 by 4, This was the first time I ever entered any of the smaller casas in the neighborhood. My impression was that although the facilities were not luxurious the places looked like fun had doable girls especially considering the price.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpbLGvbzw9IThese places ARE fun, and are frequently stocked with raw, fresh talent. Downside is the rooms are downright disgusting, with a smell that'll cling to your clothes so you'll have to throw them out.
A couple of years ago, Monte Carlo started a membership program where, after spending 500R, entrance was subsequently free forever.Forever? I missed that. Last year you got a free entrance for each 500 spent. This year they upped it to 700 I think.
John Cricket
03-25-10, 16:23
Wow that's a good word:Yeah.
If Exec has ever had a good word to say here about anyone other than his own self, I certainly have never read it. He seems to enjoy picking fights, especially with people who are contributing stuff which he disagrees with.
So I'd say just ignore him.
Yeah.
If Exec has ever had a good word to say here about anyone other than his own self, I certainly have never read it. He seems to enjoy picking fights, especially with people who are contributing stuff which he disagrees with.
So I'd say just ignore him.Ignore the execrable turdwad. Simple as that.
Yeah.
If Exec has ever had a good word to say here about anyone other than his own self, I certainly have never read it. He seems to enjoy picking fights, especially with people who are contributing stuff which he disagrees with.
So I'd say just ignore him.Macunamia is back!
Now give this guy another thread under John Cricket aka Macunamia.
Mr Enternational
03-26-10, 15:56
me, pipelayer, and cho hit the bar in ipanema last night. nothing was jumping off so we went to the zoo, a.k.a. balcony. the chicks there were talking crazy as shit. 300, 400 tln. 200/hr. when did all this hourly shit come into play? the one below average girl who told me 400 tln said, "it's cheap. it's not even 200 dollars!" what the fuck b(*&*^. i told her that before i gave her anything close to 400 reais i would drag my happy ass over to vm and gladly give someone there 26 reais.
i had to go to the bathroom. when i came out there was a chick who propositioned me. i acted as if i didn't speak portuguese. she started at 200/hr to 200 tln. i settled with her for 150 tln. when we got to the apartment she was just what the doctor ordered. we went to sleep about 4:30. i woke up at 7:55 to her getting dressed saying she had to go to sao paulo. i told her no and that i wanted to fuck again. tln from her perspective was that we fuck then she gets to sleep next to me in the a/c then leave.
i told her that i was not going to pay her to sleep. if that was the case i would have bargained for less time and less money. i wanted a morning fuck as well. the argument ensued. she threatened to call the police. i told her to go ahead, but she didn't dare. then she picked up a lamp and said she was going to break everything in the apartment. it's fucking 8am and i have only had 3 hours of sleep. i had to get her out. i gave her 150 then made her ass pick the lamp up and put it in place properly, then i let her get the hell out.
i got online and ran into a non-pro who i met on some site but had never met personally. we were supposed to get together this evening but she said that she wouldn't be able to make it because she had to study for a test. she said it would be better if she came over asap. i said cool and gave her the address. she said she would arrive in 15 minutes or less. she made it in 20. she said she had just finished her daily walk down the entire stretch of av. atlantica. she said that she couldn't stay long.
so we shot the shit and i was being my usual disagreeable self. we sat on a bench that is in my mini-hallway talking while she clutched her purse. i was just waiting for her to leave so that i could get ready to hit the streets with cho. she was steady stalling so i decided to kiss her in the mouth. b-i-n-g-o! we went from the bench to the bed in about 2 minutes.
i was trying to pull out as many tricks as i could. damn that pussy was succulent. when i pulled out to go grab a toy i could see her white cum rolling towards her asshole. and need i mention her nipples shaped like grapes; just the way i love them. i came back and it was on. i hit her from the back and put my thumb in her ass. she seemed to like it and it wasn't tight. next move. pull out and go get the astroglide. i came back and applied a couple of drops to the designated area. she said that she had never done anal before but she wasn't putting up much of a fight. that is until i was putting it in and it was hurting. we tried it from the side then the front but never could get it in without it hurting too much, so all bets were off and it was back to the p. i finally decided to let it rip with her lying on her stomach so we both could get the hell out of here.
the pictures are of the non-pro.
John Cricket
03-26-10, 16:42
When did all this hourly shit come into play?Ever since Help closed, apparently. TLN is now special negotiation and not the rule.
Full Throttle
03-26-10, 20:05
Forever? I missed that. Last year you got a free entrance for each 500 spent. This year they upped it to 700 I think.
Probably a misunderstanding on my part. One-year makes more sense. 700 would be 2.5 visits including drinks and girls. Then, for the balance of the year, I could stop by during/after a jog, go robing, have a beverage and get to know girls and staff for the price of the beverage.
After the 700, MC would essentially be priced the same as 4X4 or Cancun, and would require a lot less walking and riding. Hmm...
Jamaicanceo
03-26-10, 22:04
I had the same experience as Mr. Ent. The girls we talking R400/R200 an hour. Even the 37 year old Meia Pataca chick with the gray hair and glasses had never to ask R200 for 1 hour and R400 for 2 hours. There were a lot of fellas i knew form many trips there last night saying this broads are crazy. But seems that the nontraditional Balcony girls were trying to raise their Helpe or Barbarella price. And it seems the R400 girls were better dress for Balcony.
After being there to after 3am, I finally got this perfect body morena named Sandra. Mr. Ent. might have seen her with white pants and yellow top. She had a perfect bubble butt ass. I got her down from R300 for 2 hours to R250 for 2 orgasms and completa. We fucked great unil we got to the anal. She started saying R400 to include anal, despite are original price of R250. But I kept fucking her pussy and busted a nut in her mouth. She was good BBBJ too.
When it was time to go, she asked for taxi fare. I said no culo no taxi. Plus I do not give them taxi anyway. WTF I just gave you R250, so take the taxi out of that. So i warn you guys, she doesn't stick to the bargain. I think that is the new thing now.
I did spend the afternoon with a 22 year student I met on Brazilcupid. Her father is italian and mom is Brazilian. Perfect body, thick curvy with nice meaty tits, and she is fun to talk to. She has lied in the US and speaks great english. She even teach english to foreigners, and will get a teaching credential in July. About 5-7 and dark hair. She looks a great cross of Italian and portuguese. She confess to not have had sex in a few months but she is no angel and is sensual. She thought about going gdp when she was a 18-19 but never did.So I plan to fuck her like the Balcony girl last night. If the Balcony girl had orgasms and creamed, I will make this young girl into to a vegetable.
We are going to Lapa tonight. I am leaving the Copa gdps alone and looking for hot regular young girls that are hot and romantic.
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Poucolouco
03-27-10, 00:07
Here is my pure conjecture on the future venue for former Help customers.
Note: See previous photo progress at post #3610 in this thread.
For you nostalgia buffs, Help will soon be just a hole in the ground. These pics are from 03/24/10. The odds on the possibility of a reemergence at the Meridian are improving. In May 2009, the Meridian was purchased from the former owner, PREVI, the employee pension fund of the Bank of Brasil by the Windsor Hotel group. The Windsor group is controlled by Sr. José Oreiro Campos, an ex-pat Spaniard who is a former owner of two bingo parlors and has a controlling interest in several hotels in Rio. He also is an owner of ten Rio restaurants and, had a controlling interest in the former discotheque Help. The group bought the Meridien for R$ 170 million, paying installments for 60 months. The group made a down payment of R$ 25 millions, for the purchase on 27 May, 2009. A progress payment of R$ 10 millions is due on 27 of March of 2010. From 27 January, 2011 Windsor will pay 25 installments of R$ 2.7 millions, and other 15 of R$ 4.5 millions, corrected by the IGPM (market price index) plus 8% annual interest. The initial cash flow is consistent with the sale of Help.
Under an agreement dating back to the 1970s when the Meridian was constructed to a height which exceeded building limits for Copacabana there was an agreement with the Prefeitura of Rio de Janeiro that it would operate solely as a hotel. There were numerous proposals for mixed use of the building as offices, condominiums and hotel but the use restriction seemed to prohibit alternative businesses from operating in the facility. It is possible that Sr. Oreiro was successful in negotiating relief from this restriction in exchange for the timely demise of Help in 2009. In the huge edifice of the ex-Meridian building there is plenty of room for a new discotheque to open under the mantle of the Windsor Hotel group. Even without relief from the building use restriction, the hotel may operate a ballroom and convention space.
Help may not reemerge under its original name but Sr. Oreiro knows what sells and how to package his products.
Here is my pure conjecture on the future venue for former Help customers.
.
Yes there is hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IWCCxY5n3M&feature=related
Poucolouco
03-27-10, 02:44
Yes there is hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IWCCxY5n3M&feature=related
Great videos, Sangue Bon. Parabens!
Member #4164
03-27-10, 07:52
Fellow Mongerers.
What is Hoe Beach looking like these days during the day and what kinda prices the babes quoting? Also, what is the daytime beach action like in front of Mabs. I've never been down by Mabs on the beach. Would appreciate any info as I'm heading back to the promised land of Rio soon.
Macunamia is back!
Now give this guy another thread under John Cricket aka Macunamia.WELCOME BACK THADDEUS G. BLANCHETTE!
I think you right for him to have ONLY been on this site for a little over 2 months he seems to know a lot about E T, and other mongers I notice he also doesn't never report about HIS mongering?
How many people does this make that Macunamia have come back as now (Mac/Quinas/)? LOL
BTW Thad/Mac that was a good report in Brazilmax.com LOL
Kid Cisco
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And this time I'm NOt goting to delete a single fucking thing that anyone cares to post about him, including his name, address or photos.
Why? Because after the last time I voluntarily deleted his name and photo, he went bragging on other webistes that he forced me to remove it by legal action. This time, fuck him and the horse he rode in on.
Thanks,
Jackson
Does anyone have an idea where I can buy a simple USB 2.0 cable? I have a ton of pics I need to transfer from my camera to my laptop. I have been to about 5 stores in copa and rio sul and nobody sells just a 2.0 cable!!! It so damn fustrating!! The closes I came was an adapter that costs 50R! ANy help would be greatly appreciated.
Does anyone have an idea where I can buy a simple USB 2.0 cable? I have a ton of pics I need to transfer from my camera to my laptop. I have been to about 5 stores in copa and rio sul and nobody sells just a 2.0 cable!!! It so damn fustrating!! The closes I came was an adapter that costs 50R! ANy help would be greatly appreciated.
Won't the prob be finding one that fits your camera? Uruguiana Market has cables that will fit most things, or there's an electric shop in the market mall of shops I've used sometimes opposite L'Uomo. Or a mall with a mass of computing/electronics shops is the one over the top of Carioca station in Centro. I'm not in Rio just now. But I'm usually ask locals for this sort of info - ISG is too off centre really. Copa locals don't always count - many are a tad uneducated - maybe ask around in Botafogo. Sorry not to be more help.
Poucolouco
03-27-10, 16:13
Does anyone have an idea where I can buy a simple USB 2.0 cable? I have a ton of pics I need to transfer from my camera to my laptop. I have been to about 5 stores in copa and rio sul and nobody sells just a 2.0 cable!!! It so damn fustrating!! The closes I came was an adapter that costs 50R! ANy help would be greatly appreciated.
I agree with Christopherd. Your best bet is Saara shopping area. I suggest you go to one of the electronic lojas on rua Republica do Libano between rua Buenos Aires and rua Visconde do Rio Branco. I have found them to be the best stocked in Rio for obscure parts. Closest Metro is Pres Vargas station.
Mr Enternational
03-27-10, 17:00
Does anyone have an idea where I can buy a simple USB 2.0 cable? I have a ton of pics I need to transfer from my camera to my laptop. I have been to about 5 stores in copa and rio sul and nobody sells just a 2.0 cable!!! It so damn fustrating!! The closes I came was an adapter that costs 50R! ANy help would be greatly appreciated.If your camera uses an SD card you can borrow my card reader.
If your camera uses an SD card you can borrow my card reader.
If your camera uses an SD card go into a camera store in Copacabana and they can read the SD card and put them to CD for you, then you can do what you want with them like post them here.
I have also done this at 2 or 3 internet cafes. All they charge you is the cost of the CD, around R$5, last year. Just make sure that they delete the pictures out of the temporary buffer in the computer or you will be leaving a copy of all of your photos on their computer. I gave away an inexpensive camera but wanted to keep the photos, so I had it done at "Todo Facil", last time. I think they are closed, but any internet cafe should be willing to do it.
John Cricket
03-27-10, 17:25
Does anyone have an idea where I can buy a simple USB 2. 0 cable? I have a ton of pics I need to transfer from my camera to my laptop. I have been to about 5 stores in copa and Rio sul and nobody sells just a 2. 0 cable! It so damn fustrating! The closes I came was an adapter that costs 50R! ANy help would be greatly appreciated.Edifício Central, Rio Branco 156, right next to the Largo the Carioca metro station, is your one-stop shopping point for all things electronic. 1st and 2nd floors are full of computer and electronic goods importers.
Exec Talent
03-28-10, 00:20
Does anyone have an idea where I can buy a simple USB 2.0 cable? I have a ton of pics I need to transfer from my camera to my laptop. I have been to about 5 stores in copa and rio sul and nobody sells just a 2.0 cable!!! It so damn fustrating!! The closes I came was an adapter that costs 50R! ANy help would be greatly appreciated.
You will find what you need at Multicoisas. There are two in Copacabana, one very close to the intersection of Constance Ramos and Barata Ribeiro, the other also on Barata Ribeiro near Paula Freitas
http://www.multicoisas.com.br/lojas/lojas.php?uf=RJ&cidade=15
Also, you probably would find one in the Informatica Center on Santa Clara near Barata Ribeiro.
Sorry I wasn't here to point you in the right direction. I have been a little busy. If all else fails, I have one you can borrow.
BTW, for those in Rio looking for electronic odds and ends or who have forgotten something, multicoisas is a good source.
I got to Rio yesterday, and went to Monte Carlo today. Rates seemed higher than I expected based on what I've read here and elsewhere, am wondering if I got jacked.
It was 310 BRLfor 40 minutes (entrance fee + room fee + girl fee) = 310. That plus one drink resulted in final bill of 320 BRL= $178 USD.
After reading all the post about picking up girls at bars for 150. 200 BRL, I expected to pay less. What do you regulars say?
I made an unbelievable rookie mistake today, i left a brasileira on my laptop while I went to the store to get food. Wouldnt you know it, she did various searches on my hardrive and found pictures of my trip that was buried deep in the windows folder! She then emptied the damn recycle bin, so now they are gone.
Can anyone tell me a good recovery application that I can use to retrieve those pics? I have tried EASEUS, RECUSA and Recover Files and still cant getthem back! It just happened today and I have over 40 gigs of space in the hardrive so I dont hink it was overwritten. Is there a way to get them from the registry or from an application.
A few of the pics are of a girl who just left two days ago to get mnarried in atlanta so i may never see her again. I really want to get thise pics back. ANy help would be greatly appreciated!!
Safado Lover
03-28-10, 10:17
I made an unbelievable rookie mistake today, i left a brasileira on my laptop while I went to the store to get food. Wouldnt you know it, she did various searches on my hardrive and found pictures of my trip that was buried deep in the windows folder! She then emptied the damn recycle bin, so now they are gone.
Can anyone tell me a good recovery application that I can use to retrieve those pics? I have tried EASEUS, RECUSA and Recover Files and still cant getthem back! It just happened today and I have over 40 gigs of space in the hardrive so I dont hink it was overwritten. Is there a way to get them from the registry or from an application.
A few of the pics are of a girl who just left two days ago to get mnarried in atlanta so i may never see her again. I really want to get thise pics back. ANy help would be greatly appreciated!!Try with "Recuva".
http://www.filehippo.com/download_recuva
I got to Rio yesterday, and went to Monte Carlo today. Rates seemed higher than I expected based on what I've read here and elsewhere, am wondering if I got jacked.
It was 310 BRLfor 40 minutes (entrance fee + room fee + girl fee) = 310. That plus one drink resulted in final bill of 320 BRL= $178 USD.
After reading all the post about picking up girls at bars for 150. 200 BRL, I expected to pay less. What do you regulars say?
You paid the going rate at MC. Picking up girls at a bar, like Balconey, is something entirely different than going to a termas. At Balconey you can subtract the entrance fee (some bars have some sort a bar fine) and room fee (unless you take her to a love hotel)--you are left with the girl fee, whatever you negotiate. Termas make things simple and convenient--but at a price.
Try 4x4. 220R for an hour inclusive of room and girl fee. If you take a girl before 5PM, the entrace fee is waived.
I made an unbelievable rookie mistake today, i left a brasileira on my laptop while I went to the store to get food. Wouldnt you know it, she did various searches on my hardrive and found pictures of my trip that was buried deep in the windows folder! She then emptied the damn recycle bin, so now they are gone.
Can anyone tell me a good recovery application that I can use to retrieve those pics? I have tried EASEUS, RECUSA and Recover Files and still cant getthem back! It just happened today and I have over 40 gigs of space in the hardrive so I dont hink it was overwritten. Is there a way to get them from the registry or from an application.
A few of the pics are of a girl who just left two days ago to get mnarried in atlanta so i may never see her again. I really want to get thise pics back. ANy help would be greatly appreciated!!
Hello,
In the past, I have used Microsoft's REST2514 (google it). Also File Scacenger http://download.cnet.com/File-Scavenger-Data-Recovery-Utility/3000-2094_4-10028488.html was useful. Files should be recoverable, even if the recycle bin was emptied.
The best protection is always to back up all your data.
Regards. B.B.
You paid the going rate at MC. Picking up girls at a bar, like Balconey, is something entirely different than going to a termas. At Balconey you can subtract the entrance fee (some bars have some sort a bar fine) and room fee (unless you take her to a love hotel)--you are left with the girl fee, whatever you negotiate. Termas make things simple and convenient--but at a price.
Try 4x4. 220R for an hour inclusive of room and girl fee. If you take a girl before 5PM, the entrace fee is waived.Thank you Benjoe, this is very helpful.
You paid the going rate at MC. Picking up girls at a bar, like Balconey, is something entirely different than going to a termas. At Balconey you can subtract the entrance fee (some bars have some sort a bar fine) and room fee (unless you take her to a love hotel)--you are left with the girl fee, whatever you negotiate. Termas make things simple and convenient--but at a price.
Try 4x4. 220R for an hour inclusive of room and girl fee. If you take a girl before 5PM, the entrace fee is waived.A question too, I will look up 4x4 info and location but thought I'd ask the board, is it convenient to Leblon area? Or, do you have recommendations for a place closer to Leblon so I don't also need to taxi to Copacabana (another 15 BRL each way).
Thanks Mongers.
A question too, I will look up 4x4 info and location but thought I'd ask the board, is it convenient to Leblon area? Or, do you have recommendations for a place closer to Leblon so I don't also need to taxi to Copacabana (another 15 BRL each way).
Thanks Mongers.
4x4 is in Centro--Rua Buenos Aires 44, just off of Rio Branco. Metro stop: Carioca or Uruguania. Over a hundred gdps at peak time (after 6PM). Opens at 2PM and is open only Monday-Friday. Do a google search for "termas 4x4 rio de janeiro" and get a wikipedia entry with map. Taxi ride to Centro from Leblon might be 25-35R. Taxi ride to nearest Metro stop will be about 10-15R; Metro to Centro is 2-3R.
Closest termas to Leblon is Solarium. Prices are exactly the same as Monte Carlo, and Solarium is roughly the same size as Monte Carlo too. Rua J. J. (jota-jota) Sebara, 21--just off Avenida Jardim Botanico. Taxi from Leblon to Solarium will be about 10-15R (but closer to 10). Google "termas solarium rio de janreiro". On Solarium's webiste, signup for 'festa da internauta" to get a 30R discount coupon (which you will have to printout) on the room fee on Mondays. Open everyday, except the occasional holiday. Opens Monday-Saturday at 3PM; on Sunday it opens at 4PM.
http://www.solarium.com.br
The other closest termas to Leblon is Centaurus at the far end of Ipanema away from Leblon. Centaurus will cause even more sticker shock (something over 400R for 40 minutes). Google "termas centaurus " to get to the Wikipedia entry and map.
Beach Star
03-30-10, 14:49
Staying in Barra as have done on my last few trips. I like to surf and swim. Yesterday decided on a long run through the ecological resrve alongside the beach then up to the end of Recreio. After an Agua de coco, walked across the road to look for a taxi and found a new ***** house! Its been open a couple of months and opens from 9am to 10pm. As it was about 1pm I ddecided to do inside. The place is in a newish lokking commercial building on the 2nd floor in a quiet neighborhood
Its sort of Sao paulo style, they introduce each girl to you, and you choose who takes your fancy. I took a very cute young girl for an hour at R$150.They had 4 girls to choose from when I was there but they said there are normally more
Nice way to spend the afternoon! Went back to the beach for a caipirina at a kiosk then taxi back.
www.esteticmen.com
Here is my pure conjecture on the future venue for former Help customers.
Note: See previous photo progress at post #3610 in this thread.
The group bought the Meridien for R$ 170 million, paying installments for 60 months.
Under an agreement dating back to the 1970s when the Meridian was constructed to a height which exceeded building limits for Copacabana there was an agreement with the Prefeitura of Rio de Janeiro that it would operate solely as a hotel. There were numerous proposals for mixed use of the building as offices, condominiums and hotel but the use restriction seemed to prohibit alternative businesses from operating in the facility. It is possible that Sr. Oreiro was successful in negotiating relief from this restriction in exchange for the timely demise of Help in 2009. In the huge edifice of the ex-Meridian building there is plenty of room for a new discotheque to open under the mantle of the Windsor Hotel group. Even without relief from the building use restriction, the hotel may operate a ballroom and convention space.
Help may not reemerge under its original name but Sr. Oreiro knows what sells and how to package his products.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kozw5RzEtMM
I passed by the Meridian last week; it's under construction but looks like it has a long way to go, so we may be waiting on this for some time now.
But it doesn't matter much because there is already a replacement for the Terraco Atlantico and Help combo and that is Balcony bar and Dolce Vita. It really is the same venue with an outdoor restaurant/bar and inside disco, right next door to each other, exactly the same set up but in miniature.
Outside at Balcony bar is pretty much the same people who hung out at TA and inside Dolce Vita is pretty much the same crowd that would have gone inside Help but I think per capita higher quality. Entrance fee is cheaper but drinks are more expensive.
Dolce Vita does not have the same atmosphere as Help had. Of course I went into Help to find a girl but now I see I also liked hanging out there, sometimes just to get lost and find a corner and watch the whole scene and listen to the music pretty much incognito. Then if I saw something I liked I could make a move on it. Dolce Vita is too small for this, there are no corners to hide and watch the scene, there isn't really much room to move around and check everything out, you find a spot and you're stuck there.
There were some nice girls there so maybe it will suffice in the interim until a larger Help replacement comes along in the next year or two.
But it doesn't matter much because there is already a replacement for the Terraco Atlantico and Help combo and that is Balcony bar and Dolce Vita.
I wonder how long it will take for it to change completely. I also felt that it was easy to feel 'stuck' after choosing a spot. I don't really drink, especially at those prices, so would make several forays in and out, survey the place for possibilities with fast, pretty icy detachment, make rapid decisions on any girls I spoke to (usually a 'no') and get out all within the space of 60 seconds before looking like a clay pigeon.
I only scored once in there. Basically it was girl who liked to dance and whose first words weren't 'buy me a drink.' She didn't ask for a drink all night. Her sister came over onto the dance floor and shared one of her drinks with us a couple of times. After at least an hour of dancing (which I happen to like - and was generally impossible to do without commitment in Help latterly, except when the Brasilian dancefloor at the back was open), I told her how much I was going to pay if she came back. By that time we had bonded to the point where anything else would have seemed strange, but I like to cover these details. She looked gorgeous on my balcony in the morning. :)
Vila Mimosa
Yes, it is all a matter of taste. Personally I don't catch diseases from mattresses and I usually have a knack for knowing what will upset my guts as far as food goes. I've rarely met unclean women in VM. The health consciousness there is at the forefront of sexual health awareness. The freedom of the women who choose to work there, while not perfect because of their financial circumstances, is more visibly not open to control for gain than other establishments. There are community projects to help the women find other trades, and good community support. It's not a haven, but it has a lot of good things going for it for the women there, and it's run from the grass roots up. Basically, it stinks, but only to the nostrils, not to the higher sensibilities. ;)
Here are one or two articles, both academic and trivia, that forum members might enjoy.
I started trying to post google-translated versions where possible but not sure if it will work on all browsers so if there's only Porto, please just search for or use the originals and click on google translate if you require.
Long academic study covering many aspects of Mimosa (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=pt|en&u=http://www.drashirleydecampos.com.br/noticias/18321&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhjTfpfJv5715tFFUhp2qjoPYEAlsg)
Wikipedia article on Mimosa (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=pt|en&u=http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vila_Mimosa)
(original Wiki here (http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vila_Mimosa)
Official Vila Mimosa site (http://www.vilamimosa.com.br/) (Porto only) nb this site generates a WOT warning - it looks ok but of course use at your own risk.
Free legal rights provisions for VM workers (http://puc-riodigital.com.puc-rio.br/media/11%20-%20um%20condominio%20chamado%20vila%20mimosa.pdf) long pdf article - sorry couldn't get it to work in English
Provision of free internet services and access to medical advice for VM residents (http://odia.terra.com.br/rio/htm/geral_109243.asp) O Dia article
Good background article (http://www.necnet.net/artigo.php?id_artigo=4191&item=0)
Contrasting views of girls working there (http://www.belezapura.org.br/publique/cgi/cgilua.exe/sys/start.htm?infoid=133&sid=3)
Washington Post article on VM fighting AIDS (ahead of the US) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/01/AR2006030102316.html)
Fashion show in VM with both professional models and VM workers (http://www.tressugar.com/Oh-Snap-Working-Runway-6645469) (includes HD pics) and clothes designed by sex workers
(I was glancing at a page about an annual beauty contest in VM as well but can't find the reference)
Free English classes provided for VM workers (http://noticiasinteresantes.blogcindario.com/2007/03/00630-las-prostitutas-brasilenas-aprenden-idiomas.html) (sorry, could only get this to work in Porto)
I could go on, but it is something for anyone to research for themselves. I at least have spent a lot of time there and so perhaps feel I have a little more knowledge or insight than those that feel it is not their type of place. But I thought forum members might like the articles when it often comes up in discussion. Hope it's useful, or interesting, or both.
(sorry if there's typos or mixed urls - can only spend so much time on this as am in the office with a pile of work haha)
Beach Star
03-31-10, 23:34
So Tuesday nght after a major rainstorm decided to go and revisit one of my old stomping grounds Prais Cafe, 5mins by cab from my hotel.
What hadn`t realized was that for some reason Tuesday is the major day!! Arrived about 11.30pm and the funk music was deafening.
I am knwn at this place so no entrance fee. Lots of people, good looking girls, frenzied atmosphere, after a couple of days just'chilling' I wasn`t ready for this.
Great girls some stunningly good looking, but impossble to talk as the music was very loud. Talked to a couple of girls in the reception area, where you have seating, got some numbers may ring tomorrow. In the end left at 1.30 am and went home.
Last day tomorrow as I go on to China, am feelng I wasted some tme.
http://www.pariscafe.com.br/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kozw5RzEtMM
I passed by the Meridian last week; it's under construction but looks like it has a long way to go, so we may be waiting on this for some time now.
But it doesn't matter much because there is already a replacement for the Terraco Atlantico and Help combo and that is Balcony bar and Dolce Vita. It really is the same venue with an outdoor restaurant/bar and inside disco, right next door to each other, exactly the same set up but in miniature.
Outside at Balcony bar is pretty much the same people who hung out at TA and inside Dolce Vita is pretty much the same crowd that would have gone inside Help but I think per capita higher quality. Entrance fee is cheaper but drinks are more expensive.
Dolce Vita does not have the same atmosphere as Help had. Of course I went into Help to find a girl but now I see I also liked hanging out there, sometimes just to get lost and find a corner and watch the whole scene and listen to the music pretty much incognito. Then if I saw something I liked I could make a move on it. Dolce Vita is too small for this, there are no corners to hide and watch the scene, there isn't really much room to move around and check everything out, you find a spot and you're stuck there.
There were some nice girls there so maybe it will suffice in the interim until a larger Help replacement comes along in the next year or two.
Dolce Vita definitely doesn't have the same atmosphere as Help. And unless you can get them to let you have a look first, the R20 entrance can be a waste of money. I saw some nice lookers but the place was empty both times that I have checked it out. Balcony is a "zoo". Plenty of women but they start out quoting "hourly" prices! These however can be negotiated down or into long term, but some of them go home alone rather than negotiate. Also ran into a group that tries to get you to go to the Pussycat club to buy expensive drinks. Just another ripoff joint. Entrance is R30 which gets you 2 beers.
Mrblackluv
04-02-10, 05:59
This post really isn't specific to Rio, it's more applicable to this entire hobby.
I'll add it here because it happened in Rio.
I've now been back almost two weeks. I'm currently in Mexico on spring break with the wife and kids. (which turned out to be a blessing in disguise due to the easy availibility of prescription antibiotics).
Sooo. It all started with a lump in my groin area maybe 4 days after my Rio trip (swollen gland). It ended with burning/stinging while [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112), and a yellow discharge noticed a few days ago while here in Mexico.
Thats right. You guessed it. The Clap.
Now. How in the fuck did I get The Clap, when I wore a condom with every GDP I banged in Rio? Research on the internet and confirmed by a Dr. Says that it is possible (albeit not likely) to get STD's from BBBJ's. Apparently The Clap (and chlamydia) can live in the throat and infect whomever is sucked. Another Dr. Suggested that what is more likely is that I played with the infected GDP's pussy and then touched my dick.
Of course I have no idea who it was, or how/when it happened.
Some of you may say this is HS Sex Ed 101. But I was floored to say the least.
Luckily I happened to be in Mexico when I found this out. I was able to get Cipro with no questions asked, and then very luckily trick my wife into taking it. I then had to figure out how to avoid having sex with her for 3 days while on vacation. (2 days and counting so far).
I am new to mongering and was having a great time. But this has seriously put a damper on my mongering attitude. Getting my wife caught up in an STD is waaaay more than I EVER bargained for. This could have potentially caused me a divorce. It's just not worth it.
I guess CBJ's, and an almost sterile attitude about touching could have prevented this. But where's the fun in that?
Anyone have any advice or comments.
I'm at a loss. And praying that either my wife didn't get infected or that the Cipro works.
Do I just chalk this up to "luck of the draw".
(You lay down with dogs. You just might come up with fleas).
I recently got sumthin from a BBBJ. NGU, (Non Gonococcal Urethritis.) Several types of germs cause NGU, the most common and serious is chlamydia. (Is that the Clap?) Took about 2 weeks to clear up. I got it from a swing party, not a GDP, and while not in Rio. It's similar to a urinary track infection.
Mrblackluv, have you been in the Hotel's pool? A long time ago I got an infection after going to a public pool. You could try that one on the wife. If she knows, you've been to Rio though, she may act suspicious. (1+1 = 2)
I agree with you on the CBJ, and sterile touching. NO Fun there. But you married with chillin, and extra precautions are warranted.
You also have to be careful in self diagnosis and medicating. If Cipro does not cure it, it may make whatever you have more resistant and require stronger antibiotics. Best to get tested. (I never knew about NGU before this.)
Best of Luck.
Rock Harders
04-03-10, 01:31
Mongers-
I would not recommend that you take Cipro for the Clap (which is better known as Gonorrhea). You would be much better off taking either Amoxicillin or Cephalexin which are much less harsh on your system and would take care of the problem within a few days. Cipro should really only be used for serious issues such as Typhoid or other serious gastrointestinal infections.
Sorte,
Rock Harders
Luckily I happened to be in Mexico when I found this out. I was able to get Cipro with no questions asked, and then very luckily trick my wife into taking it. I then had to figure out how to avoid having sex with her for 3 days while on vacation. (2 days and counting so far).
.
How did you trick your wife into taking the pill? Doesnt the pill say Cipro right on it?
This post really isn't specific to Rio, it's more applicable to this entire hobby.
I'll add it here because it happened in Rio.
I've now been back almost two weeks. I'm currently in Mexico on spring break with the wife and kids. (which turned out to be a blessing in disguise due to the easy availibility of prescription antibiotics).
Sooo. It all started with a lump in my groin area maybe 4 days after my Rio trip (swollen gland). It ended with burning/stinging while [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112), and a yellow discharge noticed a few days ago while here in Mexico.
Thats right. You guessed it. The Clap.
Now. How in the fuck did I get The Clap, when I wore a condom with every GDP I banged in Rio? Research on the internet and confirmed by a Dr. Says that it is possible (albeit not likely) to get STD's from BBBJ's. Apparently The Clap (and chlamydia) can live in the throat and infect whomever is sucked. Another Dr. Suggested that what is more likely is that I played with the infected GDP's pussy and then touched my dick.
Of course I have no idea who it was, or how/when it happened.
Some of you may say this is HS Sex Ed 101. But I was floored to say the least.
Luckily I happened to be in Mexico when I found this out. I was able to get Cipro with no questions asked, and then very luckily trick my wife into taking it. I then had to figure out how to avoid having sex with her for 3 days while on vacation. (2 days and counting so far).
I am new to mongering and was having a great time. But this has seriously put a damper on my mongering attitude. Getting my wife caught up in an STD is waaaay more than I EVER bargained for. This could have potentially caused me a divorce. It's just not worth it.
I guess CBJ's, and an almost sterile attitude about touching could have prevented this. But where's the fun in that?
Anyone have any advice or comments.
I'm at a loss. And praying that either my wife didn't get infected or that the Cipro works.
Do I just chalk this up to "luck of the draw".
(You lay down with dogs. You just might come up with fleas).There is a safe treatment called ozone that will clear up any STD. Do the research on it and find a place near where you live.
Pussyhunter099
04-03-10, 19:01
As of 2006, the CDC no longer recommends cipro and other Fluoroquinolones for gonoccocal infections in the U.S., I don't know if that also goes for being infected in South America.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5614a3.htm?s_cid=mm5614a3_e
Pussyhunter099
04-03-10, 19:05
This post really isn't specific to Rio, it's more applicable to this entire hobby.
I'll add it here because it happened in Rio.
I've now been back almost two weeks. I'm currently in Mexico on spring break with the wife and kids. (which turned out to be a blessing in disguise due to the easy availibility of prescription antibiotics).
Sooo. It all started with a lump in my groin area maybe 4 days after my Rio trip (swollen gland). It ended with burning/stinging while [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112), and a yellow discharge noticed a few days ago while here in Mexico.
Thats right. You guessed it. The Clap.
Now. How in the fuck did I get The Clap, when I wore a condom with every GDP I banged in Rio? Research on the internet and confirmed by a Dr. Says that it is possible (albeit not likely) to get STD's from BBBJ's. Apparently The Clap (and chlamydia) can live in the throat and infect whomever is sucked. Another Dr. Suggested that what is more likely is that I played with the infected GDP's pussy and then touched my dick.
Of course I have no idea who it was, or how/when it happened.
Some of you may say this is HS Sex Ed 101. But I was floored to say the least.
Luckily I happened to be in Mexico when I found this out. I was able to get Cipro with no questions asked, and then very luckily trick my wife into taking it. I then had to figure out how to avoid having sex with her for 3 days while on vacation. (2 days and counting so far).
I am new to mongering and was having a great time. But this has seriously put a damper on my mongering attitude. Getting my wife caught up in an STD is waaaay more than I EVER bargained for. This could have potentially caused me a divorce. It's just not worth it.
I guess CBJ's, and an almost sterile attitude about touching could have prevented this. But where's the fun in that?
Anyone have any advice or comments.
I'm at a loss. And praying that either my wife didn't get infected or that the Cipro works.
Do I just chalk this up to "luck of the draw".
(You lay down with dogs. You just might come up with fleas).Are you absolutely sure that you did not get it from your wife? She could have gotten some action on the side while you were in Brazil.
Mrblackluv
04-03-10, 21:10
How did you trick your wife into taking the pill? Doesnt the pill say Cipro right on it?I can't give out too many details. You never know who might read this.
But No, it doesn't say Cipro. It says Bayer on one side and I think 2500 on the other.
I wasted 2 pills with my first attempts. Let's just say crushed Cipro pills are extremely bitter. The one that worked was not crushed. And late at night.
I also found out about Cephalexin. Unfortunately it's only available via injection. I got one of those in Mexico as well. I am now clean, and I don't know which drug worked.
I will basically have to have sex with my wife again and see if she re-infects ME. If that happens I will have to fess up. And will probably be looking for a new place to live.
Mongers-
I would not recommend that you take Cipro for the Clap (which is better known as Gonorrhea). You would be much better off taking either Amoxicillin or Cephalexin which are much less harsh on your system and would take care of the problem within a few days. Cipro should really only be used for serious issues such as Typhoid or other serious gastrointestinal infections.
Sorte,
Rock Harders
Cipro for long term treatment (more than 10 days) may cause ulcerative colitis as well as developing resistant strains of microorganiisms and some people may develop severe allergic reactions to the antibiotic, but as a single dose, the probability of any problems is reduced. Azythromycin has far fewer adverse reactions and allergic reactions are virtualy non existant.
I would recomend taking 2 Azithromycin 500 mg(Azitromicina) tablets (1 gram total) and 500 mg Cipro (Ciprofloxacilina), after discontinuing exposure, or on leaving Rio. Works great as a combination for Clamydia and Gonorhea, as a single dose treatment. Clamydia can be contracted by females from contact with infected surfaces or towels, on rare ocasions, but very hard for a guy to explain, how he contracted it other than by sexual contact. The pool explanation seems far fetched, but might work in a pinch.
There is a project in the works to forbid the sale of antibiotics in Brazil, without a prescription, which will be retained by the Pharmacy.
[QUOTE=Pelicano]I would recomend taking 2 Azithromycin 500 mg(Azitromicina) tablets (1 gram total) and 500 mg Cipro (Ciprofloxacilina)....QUOTE]
You'd recommend? You an MD? Why not a shot of Zithromax, and/or some vibramacina? Have a physician look at whatever ails: its your body and quality of life. Be sure to somewhere keep a written documentation of when and what meds you take. It is something that happens to everybody at some point -- even if you go through life with a rubber on.
Not all STDs are curable with antibiotics. It is always best to get a professional check up, now and after a few months. Sometimes symptoms can go away but the underlying infection remains, you think you are cured but you are not.
Carlos3000
04-06-10, 16:29
Gents,
I was in Rio over the easter weekend this after a 2 year haitus. Just to put things in perspective, before the financial melt down in 2007 and its attendant effects, I used to visit Brazil and rio about 4 to 5 times a year.
My flight on AA from Jfk to Rio was uneventul except that most of the flight attendants seemed to be older than my grandmother and just as grumpy in attitude. Arrived Rio thursday morning 4/1 about 1:30 pm and took that Real bus for R$8 to Copa. The bus made 2 stops in centro and I was a the door steps of Hotel Praia Lido inside of 1 hour. Not a terrible value compared to R$45 to R$55 for taxis.
Hotel Praia Lido like every other establishment has increased prices for its rooms. I took a suite on the 5th floor for R$220, it used to cost me R$170. Cleaned up and took a nap after check in and was ready for action by 7 pm.
On the way to Balcony I was propositioned by two beauties. They quoted me R350 a piece. I told them in porto that I was not sucker and they promptly came down to R$300 and would not bulge. I simply walked away.
The talent level in Balcony at 7pm was not good but improved greatly after 10pm. Met up with another American from boston and we hit it off even though i'm a die hard yankees fan (word up Red sox!!). We took a table inside and ordered the big beer dispenser (R$53). Balcony is a rip off with beer prices. A bottle of Skol is $6.50.
The free beer attracted a great deal of attention from the gdps. I talked to a number of girls and inquired about prices and the lowest was R250. One girl told me she had fucked a european that afternoon for R$500. As I was still not fully recovered from the long flight I took a nice morena for R$250 at 1am and decided to call it a nite.
Did not realize that friday 4/2 was a national holiday and everything was shut down, offices, cambio, shops. I was forced to change money at the hotel at R$1.70. The cambio across from the hotel gave me R$1.81 on thursday. BTW all the termas were closed on friday.
Decided to take a walk on ave atlantica towards help in the afternoon. Stopped by Meia Pataca, no action at 3pm. Ho Beach same. At Ho beach I was approached by Paulo the black beach tout who told me he had girls. I pretended I was a newbie and took a look and there was not much there. There were maybe three girls and none higher than a 6. I inquired about chair and umbrella prices and of course he inflated them as much as he could (small chairs R$12, umbrellas R$10). You can tell from my tone that I despise this guy. During my first visit to rio a while back this guy took me for R$80 for a few drinks, my and a girl's chair and umbrella. When I called him out and threatened to call the police I was advised by another american against as Paulo could easily harm me in rio.
I was back at Balcony on friday evening. Again a lot of girls asking R$350 to R$400 for 2 hours. I was content in playing the waiting game and by midnite the prices had gone down. I took a petite blond home for R$250 and it was well worth it.
In summary Balcony and Dolce Vita is where most of the action is these day. Most of the girls here are former help girls and all seem to have this inflated view of their worth. That being said bad service and attitude in rio would rate an A in new york any day.
Ciao.
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Mongers-
I would not recommend that you take Cipro for the Clap (which is better known as Gonorrhea). You would be much better off taking either Amoxicillin or Cephalexin which are much less harsh on your system and would take care of the problem within a few days. Cipro should really only be used for serious issues such as Typhoid or other serious gastrointestinal infections.
Sorte,
Rock HardersRH,
Quite right my friend. I would like to reiterate the wisdom of your suggestion. While I am no MD, I have run the gamut of antibiotics due to what started out to be a harmless staph infection from a cut on the foot I received on the beach in Baja da Tijuica back in the early 90's. I started out with a prescription for amoxixilin but the infection proved to be too much because the infection re-occurred several months later. By now, I was back in the states and tried amoxicillin again with limited success so I graduated a Keflex. I don't remember the name of the other (stronger) antibiotics that were tried but eventually I got to Cipro. I don't even want to tell you how this infection was manifesting itself. At the time, I received a stern warning from the Dr that in the world of antibiotics, cipro was like a howitzer. He told that this may well mess up my intestinal system for a while which it most certainly did. It was alike having case of the "trots" for a week. That cipro killed every living organism in my gut.
But he gave me another warning telling me to be careful because once you get to cipro, there is not really much of anything stronger he could give me should it return. If I should develop (or the infection rather) a resistance to cirpo there would be nothing left for them to treat me with. THAT is one scary thought.
I was belly aching to a colleague at work who was a former Army Ranger and he told me that I should try a remedy that he learned in jungle training. He told me to go to the local Health Food store and buy a 6 oz bottle of Colloidal Silver. He told me to pour two teaspoons into a bottle of water and drink it down each day until the bottle was empty. Would you believe that the infection went away and that it has never come back. Was it the cipro? Was it the colloidal silver? Who knows? Just another interesting bit of trivia.
Here's my point (yes, I do have a point), there are ways around conventional medicine that are often more effective and less harmful to your system. Sometimes it pays to look into an alternative remedy. There's no way in HELL that you need cipro to fight a case of the clap or any other non-specific gonorrheal infection unless you have much, much bigger problems already. Again, I am no MD so don't go by what I say, but buying a ZPAK (Azitromina in Brazil, Sumamed in Russia and Ukraine) over the counter in the pharmacy will likely clear up the drip.
Be safe out there.
Jake
Frenchieboy
04-06-10, 17:33
Can someone tell me if The Corcovado is now on works, if yes is it easy to take good pictures of this beautiful momunent, I will be in Rio in 5 days
Thanks in advance
KellySlater
04-06-10, 17:56
Can someone tell me if The Corcovado is now on works, if yes is it easy to take good pictures of this beautiful momunent, I will be in Rio in 5 days
Thanks in advanceYes, the statue is currently covered with scaffolding.
Can someone tell me if The Corcovado is now on works, if yes is it easy to take good pictures of this beautiful momunent, I will be in Rio in 5 days
Thanks in advance
Not sure what you mean by works* - but the monument is easy enough to photograph. I haven't tried it, but it might be helpful to have the option of switching to a wide angle lens if you are a keen photographer. Most of the pics you see of it though are taken from a distance. Maybe by helicopter. The variable with Corcovado is the weather. If you get a day with a bit of heat haze / mist, the statue is above it, so you can't see Rio to take nice coastline outlines and so on.
You can get there by bus/taxi/metro+bus and a little steam train that ascends the last bit. Or you can take a taxi a (very) long way round and get quite close.
If you are fit, I understand it is possible to climb via Parque Large, but few try it. Sugar Loaf is much nicer.
If it's your first time in Rio and you don't want to go to a lot of hassle, just get your hotel to organise it for you. You will need at least half a day. In spite of its popularity, it is one of the less simple tourist attractions to reach.**
*there again, when it comes to calling a large lump of concrete beautiful, I am often at a loss to explain what people mean.
**The usual way to get there is to take the Metro to Largo do Machado station, then take the Metro bus outside the station to Cosme Velho. When you get off the Metro bus, you walk a few yards to the Cosme Velho railway line (a little single track train, quaint and old-fashioned) that goes up at a very steep incline. After that, there's some elevators and a bit of walking, not much, to get to the top. It sounds harder than it is.
Can someone tell me if The Corcovado is now on works, if yes is it easy to take good pictures of this beautiful momunent, I will be in Rio in 5 days
Thanks in advance
Last time I looked it was covered in scaffolding; they are doing work on the statue. But this shouldn't stop you from going to the site as the view from Corcovado is the best.
Exec Talent
04-06-10, 18:50
Can someone tell me if The Corcovado is now on works, if yes is it easy to take good pictures of this beautiful momunent, I will be in Rio in 5 days
Thanks in advance
A $4 million renovation started March 13, 2010. Uncertain how long it will last, but it is still open.
http://www.azcentral.com/commphotos/azcentral/14003/1/5#1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPI6jg4LiHU
Frenchieboy
04-06-10, 19:16
I would like to thanks you for your precious help, I am not lucky that the Corcovado is undergoing renovation, HELP is destroyed, and now a big storm with about 50 deaths but I will be in Rio on Sunday for 5 days no problems.....and after 2 days in warsaw ;-))))
Exec Talent
04-06-10, 19:31
I would like to thanks you for your precious help, I am not lucky that the Corcovado is undergoing renovation, HELP is destroyed, and now a big storm with about 50 deaths but I will be in Rio on Sunday for 5 days no problems.....and after 2 days in warsaw ;-))))
Seems you are better informed than some the "Rio Experts."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/06/rio-floods-kill-dozens-vi_n_527032.html
Frenchieboy
04-06-10, 19:36
Seems you are better informed than some the "Rio Experts."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/06/rio-floods-kill-dozens-vi_n_527032.html
I am not a "Rio Expert" but I have heard this news this afternoon on a french radio
But ET I woulk like to be a "Rio Garotas Expert" like you !!!! and like Sangue Bon or Christopherd
Sorry, Frenchieboy, I misunderstood your post. And I don't keep up with Corcovado as personally I don't like it. But thank you for telling us about the floods. Your television news is better than what I have seen in the UK. We don't get any South America news generally, on the BBC or anywhere. I hear more on this forum or from friends in Brasil than I do from the news services I'm sad to say. My heart goes out to the people affected.
I hope your trip goes well. Rio offers so much and in so many different ways. And you'll find plenty of 'garota' I hope ;) (We're not experts, we've just been flailing around in the pussy often enough to hopefully ease the load of anyone flailing around even more. Rio is too big and too complex and too varied for anyone to be an expert. But cariocas can bluff it better than most . . . ;)
For mongers who do not mind spending some decent cash on a quality GDP,
here is the link for Luana VIP and yes the pics are real:
http://www.hotside.com.br/app/site/modelo/?id=664
http://www.barravipsrio.com/acompanhantes.php?a=162
Contact her she is GOOD!!!!
Hope this helps some fellow mongers
Brugal8
Sorry, Frenchieboy, I misunderstood your post. And I don't keep up with Corcovado as personally I don't like it. But thank you for telling us about the floods. Your television news is better than what I have seen in the UK. We don't get any South America news generally, on the BBC or anywhere. I hear more on this forum or from friends in Brasil than I do from the news services I'm sad to say. My heart goes out to the people affected.
I hope your trip goes well. Rio offers so much and in so many different ways. And you'll find plenty of 'garota' I hope ;) (We're not experts, we've just been flailing around in the pussy often enough to hopefully ease the load of anyone flailing around even more. Rio is too big and too complex and too varied for anyone to be an expert. But cariocas can bluff it better than most . . . ;)
A few words.
It has been raining more than ever in Rio within a few days. Zona Sul is cut from Zona Norte.
There is a death toll of almost 100 (yesterday night). Mainly in different favelas of the city.
Roads are flooding etc.
Telephone service erratic, works when care.
Frequent blackouts.
Air services erratic.
Mayor of the city has asked the people to stay home, except those who are in danger areas.
Etc.
For mongers who do not mind spending some decent cash on a quality GDP,
here is the link for Luana VIP and yes the pics are real:
http://www.hotside.com.br/app/site/modelo/?id=664
http://www.barravipsrio.com/acompanhantes.php?a=162
Contact her she is GOOD!!!!
Hope this helps some fellow mongers
Brugal8
She looks good, 300 reais is a little rich for 1 hour, did she charge you for taxi from Barra?
Interesting that she list her age as 32, not that that's a bad age but it is a little higher than average on these sites and they all always lie about it.
She looks good, 300 reais is a little rich for 1 hour, did she charge you for taxi from Barra?
Interesting that she list her age as 32, not that that's a bad age but it is a little higher than average on these sites and they all always lie about it.
No taxi charge.
You are right I was surprised too since all escorts lie about their age even if they are young but she is one of the finest 30 somethings I have seen.
Brugal8
A $4 million renovation started March 13, 2010. Uncertain how long it will last, but it is still open.
http://www.azcentral.com/commphotos/azcentral/14003/1/5#1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPI6jg4LiHU
When I left in March it was scaffolded out and had a local government protest banner on it. If I recall correctly it was about the federal govt taking away most of Rios oil revenue.
SlimHoleDrill
04-08-10, 01:34
Seen Lots of storma in Rio but none like this. The wind and rain are unprecedented. Best to stick to indoor activities.
As has been said, Good Friday saw everything closed. But I went by Balcony late that afternoon and some talent was already gathering. I guess after you go to church and confess, it is time to get back to the business of sinning. I didn't hang around as I thought it best to rest up for Saturday. After all, one day of abstinence in Rio is cause for a geat celebration when it ends.
So, Saturday found me in L'uomo surrounded by friends. The place was decorated with pink baloons on the ceiling and the girls were in bunny attire. Really charnimg. Only one problem: the fur.
A very nice touch was the fur around the top portion of the costume. While quite suggestive and alluring, someone forgot about the insullating properties of fur, albeit fake. Now, these girls are pretty hot to start with, literally, so they didn't need the extra insullation. So they were all grabbing menus and fanning for all they were worth while bumping and grinding to funk do Brasil. LOL. The upside, they were more anxious than usual to get out of those tops.
Hung around for two sessions. nearly R600 after buying too many drinks but well worth it. They continue to cycle in new talent. BUT, I ran into an old friend, Giselle. Man, have her tits grown. All natural too. She does not come in much any more so it was good to see her. If you are into tits, this is it.
Rain should stop just in time for the weekend. Amother excuse for a celebration.
Slickrick6579
04-08-10, 01:44
I am scheduled to arrive in Rio on the 13th. Work is putting me up at the Intercontinental, but I am staying a few days more.
It appears that the Intercontinental is not that close to much, but I am still doing the research on distance and locations of some of the places to visit. Does anyone have a suggestion on a nice place to stay that isn't that expensive ie: hotel, or is an apartment for a couple days better?
Also somewhere that is close to the good action. This is my first trip to Rio and I would like to make it as memorable as possible.
I appreciate any assistance that experienced mongers can provide.
Ricky
Slickrick6579
04-08-10, 02:36
I am traveling to Rio on the 13th for business and I am being put up at the Intercontinental, which seems a long way from downtown. Does anyone recommend a nice hotel closer to the action or maybe even an apartment.
I was looking at a hotel near Copacabana beach, but they still want about 180 a night.
This is my first trip and I want to get in as much as possible. Any assistance or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks to all of the Rio mongers in advance.
Ricky
A few words.
It has been raining more than ever in Rio within a few days. Zona Sul is cut from Zona Norte.
There is a death toll of almost 100 (yesterday night). Mainly in different favelas of the city.
My heartfelt sympathy. To everyone caught up in this. The death toll is now reported at over 100. Worst rains in 48 years, the news services are telling us. And even for those whose life is not directly at risk - and I trust and hope the people in this board are safe - it must even be such a difficult time.
My thoughts especially to those of you who are in Niteroi, which I am told is particularly affected.
The BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8607518.stm) has finally reported it. Some flight disruption. Major roads cut off.
Take care, and best wishes,
Member #3439
04-08-10, 04:12
Gents,
On the way to Balcony I was propositioned by two beauties. They quoted me R350 a piece. I told them in porto that I was not sucker and they promptly came down to R$300 and would not bulge. I simply walked away.
The talent level in Balcony at 7pm was not good but improved greatly after 10pm. Met up with another American from boston and we hit it off even though i'm a die hard yankees fan (word up Red sox!!). We took a table inside and ordered the big beer dispenser (R$53). Balcony is a rip off with beer prices. A bottle of Skol is $6.50.
As I was still not fully recovered from the long flight I took a nice morena for R$250 at 1am and decided to call it a nite.
Let's look at it from the point of the Carioca GDP. Guys who take Copa freelancers during reasonable hours either have a lot of money or don't know where to find pussy at a lower rate. Otherwise they'd be mongering Centro balls dry during the day and wait until early morning to pull from Copa, if at all. For not much more money, you can go have a room in a termas and have some assurance of a quality fuck.
I agree, things are a little out of hand now with the Real and the garota's expectations. Mongers can thrive on the harvests from impoverished countrysides and urban slums...not on middle class princesses with a perverse streak and costly addiction to designer shoes and handbags. I'd suggest that dedicated sex-tourists of modest means consider Jakarta as an alternative to Rio. As for me, I am not a sex tourist in the pure sense and come to Rio primarily on business, so will be stuck paying the going rates there. However I will be happily stuck.. paying *centro* rates for the equivalent pussy and perhaps better service, not Copa rates! Can't wait to pound ground on Ave Rio Branco and similar again, and to pound the mattresses in the apts above!
All that said, in my personal interactions on ISG I have found that the board membership contains many high intelligent, creative, and sometimes entrepreneurial people who just happen to be hard core sex addicts. If all these minds were working together, a strategy could be devised to manipulate the GDP market prices back to our advantage??...Like opening up a new Help somewhere else and providing canned, plausible, and family-friendly excuses for several hundred girls of negotiable virtue from the countryside who would like to come to the city and make money the old fashioned way. The existing GDP's would have to lower prices. I am confident that they would do tricks at half the current prices, as I doubt they know of any other way to get money at all, other than stealing.
Last week in Jakarta, a WG offered me FS at 1/30th the market rate at ladybar closing time because she saw that it was either that, or go home with nothing, so she tried to undercut the rest and assure a transaction. Now that is a beautiful sight to behold when it comes down to that basic level and all the artificial inflation is taken out of the pricing. Amazingly, I didn't take her up..there was something unsavory about the desperation of it all and the look she had in her eyes. I think she didn't have cab fare to get home, and needed to session at equivalent $1 USD just to break even and get back to her place in the morning. Others have assured me that girls will sometimes show up with empty pockets and have to session to afford the ride home. I bet that Rio was once like this, back in the 1980's glory days that the vets talk about.
With due respect PP - I thought you were going to say something I would agree was eminently sensible and all those other things. But having only worked in the night club industry in my own country and that briefly (not quite the stomach for it) I am guessing that Brasil must be far more advanced. High intelligence is not required in my country of birth, other than street intelligence and the ability to to wield determinative physical force (eg in last resorts, kneecapping, arson, kidnapping someone's wife or trashing an opponent's home/work/hideaway). Useful characteristics are large amounts of money, cast-iron underworld connections, and high-priced bent lawyers that can always win. Knowing bent police is also quite good on a CV.
I guess such things aren't so important in Brasil - what progress eh . . .
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;)
I did like most of the rest of your post though. Jakarta is pretty mental and I understand quite different when you know your way around (I don't - both times I went I thought someone was trying to kill me). An exciting city. If you know it well I'd probably enjoy a crash course some time. But the idea that a group of mongers could manipulate the Rio Market is unrealistic. Even with ISG on side, there are many more mongers who just do their own thing. The P4P garotas are organised and often well networked. It's not hard for them. We on the other hand, are not. If there's any manipulating, they will do it, not us. You can, as you sensibly point out, just choose the least manipulated option should you so desire. Just my opinion. (Dusts used condoms off VM palatial foam mattress, goes up and down a dozen RB elevators, then occasionally pays up in Copa cos when in Disneyland the rides ain't free ;))
Now I'll sit back and let you prove me wrong please - and I'm gonna be the first to buy you a drink :)
Member #3439
04-08-10, 06:41
Useful characteristics are large amounts of money, cast-iron underworld connections, and high-priced bent lawyers that can always win. Knowing bent police is also quite good on a CV.
I think these are the same tools that foreigners have been using since the ~1500's to manipulate Brasil, correct? No reason why a couple of the resourceful and connected people here with capital couldn't choose to follow suit. Maybe slightly far fetched but I know there are people here with local connections and understand "property rights" in Brasil, so I just want to point this out and plant the seed..so maybe somebody takes a chance and we can all plant our seed at lower prices. It's sensible...not easy, but sensible and plausible. I didn't say manipulate the whole market, just the freelance market where guys are having such hard time. Some guys like me don't really care what the freelance market is like..I like the point-and-fuck flat rate backroom scene which isn't negotiable anyway. Freelancers are just too much social interaction for me. I like to approach like the animal, throw down my money and start humping air and salivating like a salty dog before I ever see pink... haggling with my fuck-to-be just totally turns me off. Haggling is appropriate for buying cars and property, but a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor way to start a sexual experience. In any negotiation, there is a winner and a loser by at least some small mutually *tolerable* margin. Tolerable is not a fun feeling.
Anyway, perhaps this is an opportunity that isn't even apparent to the local entreprenuers, who wouldn't know or care how much gringos were paying in Copa. Am I on the right track?
I did like most of the rest of your post though. Jakarta is pretty mental and I understand quite different when you know your way around (I don't - both times I went I thought someone was trying to kill me). An exciting city. If you know it well I'd probably enjoy a crash course some time.
Did you go before, or after you had been outside vanilla Western civilization to places like Brasil and Cambo and so forth? :) I am sure it is culture shock for someone visiting a place like that the first time, but not for someone at your current level of experience. You should try again. Sao Paulo mongering scared the shit out of me the first time I was there, so I know what you are saying.
I am just a rookie to JKT but had no problem based on information and tips gleaned from the board here. I think if someone has been to Sao Paulo, or Rio Centro and feels comfortable traveling alone and vulnerable in sometimes seedy places where foreigners are seldom seen, and you know there is no one to back you up, then JKT prime spots should be no problem. I trust the Indons far more than our Brasilian or Mexican friends.
Even with ISG on side, there are many more mongers who just do their own thing.
True, I am thinking in terms of every Rio monger being a lurker or poster on this board when in reality it's probably what, 5%, of the total. Most guys probably stumble in thinking all the pussy is free. I know guys who think the beaches are lined up with girls who are poor and wanting to fuck everyman Joe Gringo and to hopefully marry them and love them forever in their home country..haha, for real. The Brasilian tourism ministry does a great job of doing nothing and letting people form their own wild visions of Brasil. :) Still, with the right publicity, even non-ISG guys would get a clue. Just like the prices leveled out to where they are now, they would level out again to something like half if you doubled the number of girls and tourism remained flat.
You can, as you sensibly point out, just choose the least manipulated option should you so desire. Just my opinion. (Dusts used condoms off VM palatial foam mattress, goes up and down a dozen RB elevators, then occasionally pays up in Copa cos when in Disneyland the rides ain't free ;))
That is what I am talking about. Sperto's list and a good pair of walking shoes are all that's needed to avoid the problem. Although it's less of a stereotypical Brasil experience for sure, sitting in a small room full of Brasilian businessmen at 11:30 AM waiting for a girl to free up, or climbing up the stairs at BA85 trying to squeeze by the local low-end mongers in search of the one gem in the place that day. It's more the Indiana Jones kind of survival-mongering versus the Jay-Z kind of rap video gash bashing with a whole termas full of big booty like 4X4 shaking T&A or all of hooker beach laying on a yacht somewhere in the bay...And then you are absolutely correct, at least once it is necessary to hit Copa (termas) to get your pride back and be able to say you did Brasil classic style. Big Pimpin on G-D-P's.
My heartfelt sympathy. To everyone caught up in this. The death toll is now reported at over 100. Worst rains in 48 years, the news services are telling us. And even for those whose life is not directly at risk - and I trust and hope the people in this board are safe - it must even be such a difficult time.
My thoughts especially to those of you who are in Niteroi, which I am told is particularly affected.
The BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8607518.stm) has finally reported it. Some flight disruption. Major roads cut off.
Take care, and best wishes,
Don't worry. No foreigners in danger. Only favelas are under real danger. Although rains are less frequent but now its rather chilly.
Jazzy Daddy
04-08-10, 23:51
However I will be happily stuck.. paying *centro* rates for the equivalent pussy and perhaps better service, not Copa rates! Can't wait to pound ground on Ave Rio Branco and similar again, and to pound the mattresses in the apts above!
You are correct about not having to pay higher rates in Copa. I've noticed that a lot of guys go to Rio without learning anything of the culture nor the language. Because of this they have to go where the pack goes, i.e. "Ho beach" or Copa. Even the guys who go to Rio and stay quite some time but don't learn the language, are paying higher prices than they should be for pu#@y. In fact what is best to do, is what the cariocas do. Speak the language have a couple of GF's and go and f%^k at termas(high end/low end)as the need arises.
Does Monica Santiago, Joyce(used to work at 4x4), Natasha work at any known termas or escort services?
Member #3439
04-09-10, 09:06
You are correct about not having to pay higher rates in Copa. I've noticed that a lot of guys go to Rio without learning anything of the culture nor the language. Because of this they have to go where the pack goes, i.e. "Ho beach" or Copa. Even the guys who go to Rio and stay quite some time but don't learn the language, are paying higher prices than they should be for pu#@y. In fact what is best to do, is what the cariocas do. Speak the language have a couple of GF's and go and f%^k at termas(high end/low end)as the need arises.
Thanks for the support.
You are right about the ideal situation, but I think the basic expectation is not that someone should learn a lot of the particulars about a place that they want to monger, and try to live as a local..rather they should just take the time to inform themselves on the spectrum of offerings and typical rates in the locale, so that they don't come in and pay too much and screw up the market for guys who make place X their primary hunting grounds. Anybody reading this thread has the ability and shouldn't come on here telling us how he paid some excessive price when the whole world of pricing info was available by clicking at the top right of this thread, keying in a few letters and clicking the 'go' button.
For example, I went to Jakarta on a whim and learning Indon language or culture wasn't practical; however, I did take the time to RTFF on ISG and make sure that I was not paying too much or asking too much of the local market and ruining it for the regular foreign visitors and expats. I think that is the basic expectation...read a year of back posts on ISG and apply the best practices you see there. For example, there were nights when I went back to the hotel alone because I was holding a hard line on ISG-stated market pricing in the lady bars. I could easily pay the top girls' firm prices, it is nothing in USD, like 20 bucks over market value, but I don't want to be 'that guy' and am willing to walk away from even the most stunning girl if she tries to rip me off on pricing. It sucks to see some other guy take her out the door 5 minutes later, but not too much because I have already done good deeds in the daytime at lower rates in fuckshacks and don't have the burning desperate need to take a nightcrawler. We have those kind for free back in the States, since it's illegal to sell buceta there and they would send a girl to the internet and newsprint stockade for trying to sell what her mama gave her to a bunch of foreigners in a bar somewhere. Even if they weren't sweaty, stinky, drunk, overweight, unable to speak the language, and ridden with STI's that they caught during a 5 girl session in budget hotel in BKK two nights prior to flying into town for 'fresh meat' because LOS simply didn't have enough to offer them. :)
I think that someone reading a year of backposts will know enough to not overpay in Copa..just like Carlos. He came to the scene and mongered this locale for whatever reason, maybe time or understandable hesitation to leave the tourist areas, but at least he knew that R300 was a rip off there and stood his ground, or rather walked right away on it. In America, where he is from, that would be a cheap price to pay for FS. So it was a good showing. The prices that the guys were paying in Help were ludicrous, especially from guys who had many posts to their name on here and should know the difference. Maybe it really is a good thing that Help closed down, cause maybe the convenience and atmosphere made paying higher prices seem worthwhile, maybe? I know the environment in a termas makes me willing to pay more than I would for the equivalent girl in the little cheap Centro apartments...but there is actually big brick and mortar, utilities, taxes, high priced bent-lawyers, bribes, bribes, and more bribes (nod to Christopherd) and other overhead at the termas to justify some level of higher pricing, while Help girls had no overhead except the cover charge to get back in and score another stick if I remember correctly.
Oral Fanatic
04-09-10, 16:46
I read USG from time to time as it is the best source for info on this hobby. But if there is one topic I have an issue with, it is the constant bickering about ‘what to pay.’ Although I think it is good to have a general idea of ‘average’ prices, there are no set rules, period, and I cannot understand why some people ridicule others who pay more than they do.
I would never say that you were foolish to pay $250,000 for your Bentley when you could have bought a Chrysler for $35,000. I don’t question why you pay $50 for a meal at Mondego when you could have purchased a Happy Meal ® at McDonalds for $5. I cannot understand why some people are so harsh with others who pay more than ‘average’. There are too may variables in this hobby to have set prices.
I read a post on ISG maybe 15 to 20 years ago, when this was a static site (pre v-bulletin and I think labeled as WSG). The post was by someone who STRONGLY ridiculed Americans (in particular) and Italians who frequented Brasil and paid 3 or 4 times the price he paid for GDP’s. He said Americans and Italians were ‘stupid.’ It was one of the most strongly worded posts regarding payment that I have ever read on ISG and of course it provoked a heated discussion. I took strong objection to being labeled as ‘stupid.’ I know I pay more than average, but I have particular tastes in what I want and I am willing to pay for it, just as I do with my cars and food.
I have a suggestion that could conceivably (but not realistically) eliminate the constant bickering about the number of Reals we donate to the GDP’s. I know this will never happen and I’m sure my suggestion would be about as well received as a fart in church, but I’ll make this suggestion just to provoke a different line of thought on the subject of payment.
My suggestion is to list what we pay our GDP’s as a percentage of our weekly salary, rather than in how many Reals we paid for services rendered. If everyone pays the same percentage of earnings, then no person is any more ‘stupid’ than the other. It’s a tongue in cheek suggestion, but hopefully you get my point.
We all have different tastes and desires in our providers. If you can lay one of these stunners http://www.desejosecretos.soelas.com.br/ http://www.prazertotal.belasvip.com/home.htm http://www.garotaacompanhante.com/home.htm for the same price you pay a GDP from Villa Mimosa, then I will bow before you. But my preference is to bed sweet stunners, and I am more than willing to pay more than ‘average’ to do so. Unless I pay a much higher percentage of my earnings than you do for their company, I should not be ridiculed for it. I would be willing to bet that if you could learn how much the previous 100 posters paid for their cars you would find vastly different amounts. Same thing for how much our bill was from our last meal at a restaurant. Why not allow each other the same latitude with our GDP’s?
The links are to providers in SP where I think the selection of beautiful GDP’s is superior, but I list them to make a point. You can also find stunners like this in Rio, although not nearly in the same quantity. I love Rio for its scenic beauty and it is my preferred destination in Brasil, but I love the stunners from SP. My point is, the higher the quality, the higher the price. What’s in your wallet?
Bottom line…………..if you are wearing a smile when she leaves, you are not stupid.
PP,
Although this will be my 1st trip to Rio, by reading all the excellent info on this forum I was already able to comprehend Carlos getting hit with high quotes by the garota's and will know what my options are. It's good to know that I will not be taken advantage of unless I want to LOL!
Mr Enternational
04-09-10, 22:22
However I will be happily stuck.. paying *centro* rates for the equivalent pussy and perhaps better service, not Copa rates!Same girls again. Went over to VM with Cho a couple of times two weeks ago. The first day I hit Camila, a girl who looked like Kimora Lee. Excellent service, but I thought I got ripped off (not complaining though). I gave the mamasan R50 and she only gave me R12 back. I asked her where was the rest of my change. She said it was R38. I asked her since when? She said that was how much the girl charges. Oh well. That was probably the best R38 I have ever spent anyway.
We walked to the train station and took the Metro back to Copa. The walk didn't look too dangerous to me. It was our first time taking the Metro from VM (I usually take the bus) so not knowing where we were going, we had to stop and ask a few people where the Metro was. We found the spot but got the Metro entrance confused with the entrance to the big train station at first. They are right together. Then the ride/map was a bit tricky because you have to transfer when you get to Estacio (the next station south of Sao Cristovao). If you do not exit the train it will take you back north to Sao Cristovao, as happened to us at first.
The next night we met up with some friends in Niteroi and hit the spots there. Most places were empty. We ended up settling at what we were told was the best one. It was R10 to get in and that included 2 drinks. It was half of a notch above 22 Siqueira Campos but much cheaper.* The cabine looked exactly like the ones in 4X4, complete with the spring-less mattress. I hit a girl for R40 then took a nice cool shower. She said she had only been at that termas for 2 weeks. She used to work Balcony but said some gringos were too crazy so she prefers the controlled environment of a termas. Beautiful girl. Excellent service.
When we left that termas my friends dropped us off in VM. There, I hit a cute 23 year old baby-face loira with a big ass. Her body was smoking. Once again great service. R26. She said that she works at a termas close to VM (can't remember the name) but it is closed on the weekends. And since she still needs money to support her kids she comes to work in VM on the weekends.
*One friend told me that him and another one of our wingmen went to 22 Siqueira a while back. His Portuguese has gotten so good that the manager thought he was Brazilian so he told him that for him a girl is only R40, but for his friend it would be R90.
Mr Enternational
04-09-10, 22:27
But if there is one topic I have an issue with, it is the constant bickering about ‘what to pay.’ Although I think it is good to have a general idea of ‘average’ prices, there are no set rules, period, and I cannot understand why some people ridicule others who pay more than they do.
I would never say that you were foolish to pay $250,000 for your Bentley when you could have bought a Chrysler for $35,000. What would you say about the person who paid an extra $100,000 for the same exact Bentley at a different dealership?
My suggestion is to list what we pay our GDP’s as a percentage of our weekly salary, rather than in how many Reals we paid for services rendered. If everyone pays the same percentage of earnings, then no person is any more ‘stupid’ than the other. It’s a tongue in cheek suggestion, but hopefully you get my point.You lost me with this one. Since everyone on the board makes a different weekly salary the point is pretty much moot. What a lot of people are saying is that when mongers start giving a gdp x+y reais who has historically received x reais it will screw it up for mongers thereafter because the gdp will from then on demand x+y reais.
GDPs are not able to discern that I work at the sandwich shop and have been saving up 10 years for this dream vacation on a shoestring budget in Rio from you owning your own widget business and being able to afford going to Rio 4 times each year. What they see instead is that I was able to withdraw x+y from Walking ATM #1, so Walking ATM #2 MUST spit out the same amount. People who may not have as much or choose not to spend as much money as you are just asking that you not haphazardly raise the stakes so that they can continue to play in the game as well.
Since I am from the US I tend to think primarily in dollars. I like to think to myself how much am I giving her in dollars/hour. To feel comfortable with myself I am definitely not going to pay a third-world gdp more per hour than I am making myself.
Gfe Finder
04-10-10, 00:48
Thanks for the support.
You are right about the ideal situation, but I think the basic expectation is not that someone should learn a lot of the particulars about a place that they want to monger, and try to live as a local..rather they should just take the time to inform themselves on the spectrum of offerings and typical rates in the locale, so that they don't come in and pay too much and screw up the market for guys who make place X their primary hunting grounds. Anybody reading this thread has the ability and shouldn't come on here telling us how he paid some excessive price when the whole world of pricing info was available by clicking at the top right of this thread, keying in a few letters and clicking the 'go' button.
For example, I went to Jakarta on a whim and learning Indon language or culture wasn't practical; however, I did take the time to RTFF on ISG and make sure that I was not paying too much or asking too much of the local market and ruining it for the regular foreign visitors and expats. I think that is the basic expectation...read a year of back posts on ISG and apply the best practices you see there. For example, there were nights when I went back to the hotel alone because I was holding a hard line on ISG-stated market pricing in the lady bars. I could easily pay the top girls' firm prices, it is nothing in USD, like 20 bucks over market value, but I don't want to be 'that guy' and am willing to walk away from even the most stunning girl if she tries to rip me off on pricing. It sucks to see some other guy take her out the door 5 minutes later, but not too much because I have already done good deeds in the daytime at lower rates in fuckshacks and don't have the burning desperate need to take a nightcrawler. We have those kind for free back in the States, since it's illegal to sell buceta there and they would send a girl to the internet and newsprint stockade for trying to sell what her mama gave her to a bunch of foreigners in a bar somewhere. Even if they weren't sweaty, stinky, drunk, overweight, unable to speak the language, and ridden with STI's that they caught during a 5 girl session in budget hotel in BKK two nights prior to flying into town for 'fresh meat' because LOS simply didn't have enough to offer them. :)
I think that someone reading a year of backposts will know enough to not overpay in Copa..just like Carlos. He came to the scene and mongered this locale for whatever reason, maybe time or understandable hesitation to leave the tourist areas, but at least he knew that R300 was a rip off there and stood his ground, or rather walked right away on it. In America, where he is from, that would be a cheap price to pay for FS. So it was a good showing. The prices that the guys were paying in Help were ludicrous, especially from guys who had many posts to their name on here and should know the difference. Maybe it really is a good thing that Help closed down, cause maybe the convenience and atmosphere made paying higher prices seem worthwhile, maybe? I know the environment in a termas makes me willing to pay more than I would for the equivalent girl in the little cheap Centro apartments...but there is actually big brick and mortar, utilities, taxes, high priced bent-lawyers, bribes, bribes, and more bribes (nod to Christopherd) and other overhead at the termas to justify some level of higher pricing, while Help girls had no overhead except the cover charge to get back in and score another stick if I remember correctly.
I read USG from time to time as it is the best source for info on this hobby. But if there is one topic I have an issue with, it is the constant bickering about ‘what to pay.’ Although I think it is good to have a general idea of ‘average’ prices, there are no set rules, period, and I cannot understand why some people ridicule others who pay more than they do.
I would never say that you were foolish to pay $250,000 for your Bentley when you could have bought a Chrysler for $35,000. I don’t question why you pay $50 for a meal at Mondego when you could have purchased a Happy Meal ® at McDonalds for $5. I cannot understand why some people are so harsh with others who pay more than ‘average’. There are too may variables in this hobby to have set prices.
There are market ranges that one can glean with a quick search for "price," "paid," etc. GPGuia.net had the prices posted by the name of the venue (e.g. R$150-R$200 for Help, if memory serves.) As I'm not now in Brazil I can't check whether they still do.
However, which end of the range you personally pay is a factor of your chemistry with the girl and her sense of your wallet size and indifference/desperation.
Thus, mongers don't really have much to lose by demanding to pay at the low end of the range. I actually use the price as a proxy for her interest in me and the GFE potential. She may very well be giving you the "I like you" discount.
And if you want to pay more? I can't fault you too much but I do fault you some even if she may have something you want (pulchritude, completa service, e.g.) I would definitely fault you for wanting to start a GFE/repeat experience that way, for exactly the reason I just articulated last paragraph.
Does someone else here remember hearing a song at the termas that sounds like the Lady Gaga song Poker Face. I remember hearing the chorus at the termas many years ago. I googled it to see if she sampled it, and it says that it's original. Am i crazy here. Everytime i hear that song I think I am at a terma.
Member #3439
04-10-10, 10:25
The next night we met up with some friends in Niteroi and hit the spots there. Most places were empty. We ended up settling at what we were told was the best one. It was R10 to get in and that included 2 drinks. It was half of a notch above 22 Siqueira Campos but much cheaper.* The cabine looked exactly like the ones in 4X4, complete with the spring-less mattress. I hit a girl for R40 then took a nice cool shower. She said she had only been at that termas for 2 weeks. She used to work Balcony but said some gringos were too crazy so she prefers the controlled environment of a termas. Beautiful girl. Excellent service.
*One friend told me that him and another one of our wingmen went to 22 Siqueira a while back. His Portuguese has gotten so good that the manager thought he was Brazilian so he told him that for him a girl is only R40, but for his friend it would be R90.
Do you have an street names for the places in Niteroi? Was it Termas Excentric? No one says much about Niteroi very often, but it sounds really nice for budget P4P.
Next time I am thinking of staying in Centro and playing like a professional monger, like the late great Hughdad who passed away to the non-pro heaven in the countryside, but who would stop enroute from GIG-Ibis to visit apto's with luggage in hand before even dropping his bags and would monger up there the whole time. Hell, I didn't even know Flavia Massagems had a bellhop. I do; however, remember that Flavia had a GFE girl that wanted me to BBAF her, so will be back there looking for more freaks.
Looks like I will be there in June again. Last year I saw a total of 2 foreign mongers in Copa and none in Centro...tough competition there at this time. :) Stupid Hells Angels trying to sweet talk Ave Atlantica SW's cause they couldn't find the termas..haha.
Bad to hear about discriminatory pricing at Bar 22, but good to hear that the gringo price has stayed flat at 90 over the past 10 months since I reported on it. I like Bar 22, it's dingy and just my style. I think I'll go there and offer 40 and see what happens. Last time, the girls were hungry for sessions. Brasilian guys weren't taking them back, just drinking beer.
I like your strategy of paying GDP less than you make, but this would rule out even termas like 4x4 for people making under 200-300k USD/annum...ouch. So the rest of us need this place in Niteroi. I don't see any widget factory owners here except Christopherd. Lucky guy wanders down here for weeks at a time several times per year and writes these excellent reports for us. So jealous.
Brazil Specialist
04-10-10, 10:54
I am traveling to Rio on the 13th for business and I am being put up at the Intercontinental, which seems a long way from downtown. Does anyone recommend a nice hotel closer to the action or maybe even an apartment.
I was looking at a hotel near Copacabana beach, but they still want about 180 a night.
This is my first trip and I want to get in as much as possible. Any assistance or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks to all of the Rio mongers in advance.
Ricky
Hey, Slimrick
I spent 10 minutes writing you a long personal private message just to get a reply that you cannot receive PM. Making some advertising for Jackson: pay your membership fees and you get extra privileges!
Send me a PM with all your contact info then and I send you my phone number etc.
I live near ex-Help, and rent rooms in my place (usually with lots of additional free advice). I had people in your situation before, they were in a luxury hotel and needed another place to stay.
Of course there are other hotels, but in Copa they cost at least 180 or so. You can use Motels by the hour, but you need to know how to get the girls there (vipsmotel.com.br is amazing! and close to you. they rent for 6 hour blocks. Not feasible for long term rental). Get girls from karlamodels.net: great service, but be prepared that some of them look a bit rougher then the photos would suggest. They can bring you the portfolio with face photos for a nominal charge. But you pay twice, as there are 2 agencies, one above the middle line (karlamodels) and one below (scortshow). Best deal is if you have your favorite bring you the "book" and fuck her.
If you know your stuff you can get a cheap hotel downtown (guess like R$ 100 or less) but again you need to know your way around downtown brothels or termas.
Be aware that traffic at times is extremely slow. You might want to check into Barra Termas that no tourists use ("400" and Cafe Nice (I think they changed their name, cannot remember the correct name. They have funk parties at night with fuckable available girls).
I am not pushing my rooms, nor hard sell. I give advice (with less intensity) to people who stay elsewhere, so feel free to send me your contact info (including US phone number and times to call you). Make sure to check your SPAM FILTER for my email reply. Talking to me on the phone before you come to Rio might be helpful for you.
I gladly give free advice, and often take people on free tours. But if too many people take me up on my offer, it might be too much work. I don't want to demand pay, but maybe I should accept voluntary donations by people who can afford it and who think I helped them.
Brazil Specialist
04-10-10, 12:59
Pictures about Rio devastation. Just for your information, as this does not really bother you, it happens in shanty towns. Now this should take away a bit from romantic views of shanty towns, shanty town urbanisation efforts, and open people's eyes that this still is illegal occupation of unsafe land.
Yes, I almost got stuck downtown Rio on Monday night. f I had taken a bus instead of Metro, I would have spent the night in the bus. And if Metro's electricity had failed, there would have been real trouble. But I made it home safely on the metro.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8610676.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8610683.stm
needs explanation: starts with the Lagoon in rich south zone that went way over its margins, but just damaged streets and bike paths. Maybe you would have trouble arriving at Solarium termas, but probably could have reached it via back roads.
All the other aerial movies are about really big areas that engulfed dozens of houses.
the links on my prior report were not clickable so I repeat them here
www.vipsmotel.com.br
It is a MUST to at least take a tour of Vipsmotel. Or come with your favorite girl and take a room in the R$ 300 / 6 hour price range. Amazing
www.karlamodels.net
karlamodels and scortshow, the agencies chosen by the locals. Best deals are the "festinhas", where m male friends share m+1 girls paying just the regular cost for each girl.
Brazil Specialist
04-10-10, 13:50
the next night we met up with some friends in niteroi and hit the spots there. most places were empty. we ended up settling at what we were told was the best one. it was r10 to get in and that included 2 drinks. it was half of a notch above 22 siqueira campos but much cheaper.* the cabine looked exactly like the ones in 4x4, complete with the spring-less mattress. i hit a girl for r40 then took a nice cool shower. she said she had only been at that termas for 2 weeks. she used to work balcony but said some gringos were too crazy so she prefers the controlled environment of a termas. beautiful girl. excellent service.
yes, this is the amazing fact: the same girl that normally charges r$300 may be available for r$ 30 elsewhere. i have seen such examples very frequently. especially about help girls. at the cheaper place they have more constant income, better working hours (office hours are easier to explain to mom or husband), sleep over privileges or other perks that make it attractive to the girl.
can you pm me the address and opening hours of the niteroi termas?
one friend told me that him and another one of our wingmen went to 22 siqueira a while back. his portuguese has gotten so good that the manager thought he was brazilian so he told him that for him a girl is only r40, but for his friend it would be r90.
i would love you to prove that to me. or is this report 10 years old? almost seems to be because now the metro goes straight through to copacabana without needing to change anywhere, so the report is at least a few months old.
would love to talk to you in person, stop over at my place in copacabana near ex-help for a chat. pm me for contact details!
i would never say that you were foolish to pay $250,000 for your bentley when you could have bought a chrysler for $35,000.
actually, i rent your bentley for $20 for a quick 20 minute ride, and then i do another 20 minute ride with a lamborghini, what do you say about that?
i don’t question why you pay $50 for a meal at mondego when you could have purchased a happy meal ® at mcdonalds for $5. i cannot understand why some people are so harsh with others who pay more than ‘average’. there are too may variables in this hobby to have set prices.
and i know the school where the mondego cook teaches, so i eat there for $ 2.50, half the price of a mc donalds happy meal. just the restaurant does not look nice, you have to pick the meals carefully as not all of them turn out perfect, and the customers are not classy. do you get the gist of the figurative speech?
and i find the future famous cook, 3 years before he becomes famous, and when he still has passion and cooks everything personally. in other words, i did many girls 3 years before they started working at centaurus, monte carlo, or l'uomo. once they made it to there, they were too old and too seasoned for my taste.
of course, such research requires more work and time then the average tourist can afford. so it is ok if you eat at mondego or go to termas.
we all have different tastes and desires in our providers. if you can lay one of these stunners http://www.desejosecretos.soelas.com.br/ http://www.prazertotal.belasvip.com/home.htm http://www.garotaacompanhante.com/home.htm
without even looking at these, just by the fact that i don't know these sites i can be farily sure that these are bait and switch sites. you see airbrushed photos stolen from playboy or the cream of the crop of really expensive escorts, and they send you a crappy girl who vaguely looks similar..
this is a very well know fact about brazilians who sometimes even track down the original source.
for the same price you pay a gdp from villa mimosa, then i will bow before you.
bow before me.
one of the rare girls i fucked in vila mimosa, over the years, was a girl that had worked in centaurus the week before. she preferred the freedom of vila mimosa, where she could come where she pleased, charge slightly more then the others, never wait more then 5 minutes for a customer, and walk away with r$ 200 after less then 3 hours. normally i go to places that have similar and lower prices then vila mimosa, but are less disgusting.
i fucked girls that do r$ 400 per hour programs, either concurrently at the same week, or a few months ago when they worked at centaurus. price range between r$ 20 for 20 minutes in crappy environment and r$ 80 for an hour in a great clean room with shower.
i have seen girls to move from a r$ 20 a minute place to get instant employment at a r$ 330 termas, get r$ 400 an hour programs at balcony, get r$ 400 an hour brazilian clients from a high class model agent, and move back to r$ 55 for 20 minute place, just because they offer overnight stay and are near balcony, where she can go at night and get 3 programs for r$ 200 to r$ 400 each for a total of r$ 700 in a single night.
prices are extremely flexible, and even after over 20 years in brazil it still is news to me that girls knowingly work at r$ 20 places for safe steady income, even if they work for r$ 400 an hour occasionally.
now finding these girls takes a bit of work, even for a local resident with lots of skills and knowledge.
Brazil Specialist
04-10-10, 14:10
One friend told me that him and another one of our wingmen went to 22 Siqueira a while back. His Portuguese has gotten so good that the manager thought he was Brazilian so he told him that for him a girl is only R40, but for his friend it would be R90.
I would love you to prove that to me.
Forgot to say more about this:
Siqueira Campos 22, just as apt 204 on Av Copacabana 583 do have the following pricing:
R$ 55 for 20 minutes for Brazilians. Most girls are a little unhappy about this short one.
R$ 75 for half hour, normal Brazilian price.
R$ 100 or whatever for gringo for half hour, usually the difference goes to a tout commission, but if there is no tout it goes to the house or to the girl.
I fought hard, to get the half hour Brazilian price for my gringo friends I bring along. Now if anyone can prove me he got R$ 40, I would be extremely curious to know. I doubt that it would be easy for you guys to get even the R$ 75 half hour price ............
so you might have to settle for R$ 90 or 100, but see what you can negotiate. One possibility is to slap R$ 75 counted money into the girl's hand and say you want half an hour and see where this gets you.
Update on Casas de Massagem and Termas in Centro, pricerange R$ 15-85.
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I have updated my list of cheap Centro Casas in Rio. A couple of the old casas have closed. I have added a bunch of new casas. No casa or terma costing more than R$ 85 are on the list.
All of the info and ratings in the list are based on my experiences, in March 2010. Your experience of these casas might be totally different. In these casas the number of girls and the standard can change very quickly. Some casas might also close or move within a short period of time.
This list is meant to be a guide to help you to explore the Centro casas. It’s far from complete. There are probably several dozens of other casas in Centro that I’ve never heard about. Very few forum members do the effort to report about new casas. If this doesn’t change I will not bother to post an update next year.
I've also made a new updated Centro Map,attached.
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Ratings
I have rated using A, B and C. A being over average, B being average and C under average.
Cabin:
A= Clean cabin, big bed, new sheets, A/C and shower possibility.
B= Decent cabin, small bed, A/C or ventilador.
C= Fast-sex-cabin, simple, dirty, smelly and noisy. No showers.
Service:
A= Receives visitors in a very nice and discreet way, girls presenting themselves in pleasant way, girls doing their best in the sex-act.
B= Receives you fairly well. Girls giving a good service.
C= Girls lined up. Girls might be ignorant or having a bad attitude. Take a pick, fuck and leave.
Standard (on the girls):
A= Better than average, sometimes some stunners.
B= Average standard.
C= Low end. Majority ugly with few exceptions.
Number:
The number of girls available. This number depends on the day of the week and the time you go there.
WV (Worth a Visit):
A= Definitely worth a visit. A very good chance of finding a nice girl.
B= Worth a visit if you have plenty of time. Don't have to high expectations. Might find something you’ll like.
C= Not worth a visit. Very small chances of finding a nice girl.
Note:
Remarks about the casas and sometimes my personal girl-recommendation.
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Casas de Massagem and Termas, R$ 15-85.
1. Avenida Rio Branco 156, Edificio Central:
- Sala 3320: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=7, WV=A
R$ 85/40 min, R$ 100/60 min
- Sala 2735: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=3, WV=C
R$ 70/30 min, R$ 100/60 min
- Sala 2622: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=7, WV=A
R$ 85/40 min, R$ 100/60 min
- Sala 2114: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=4, WV=C
R$ 75/40 min, R$ 95/60 min
- Sala 1839: Cabin=A, Service=B, Standard=A, Number=4, WV=B
R$ 60/30 min, R$ 80/40 min, R$ 100/60 min
Note: Special recommendation to Alessandra (big tits).
- Sala 1228: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=4, WV=B
R$ 60/60 min, massage+HJ. Penetration or BJ costs extra.
- Sala 613: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=3, WV=C
R$ 70/40 min, R$ 100/60 min
2. Avenida Rio Branco 185:
- Sala 2114: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=15, WV=A
R$ 80/40 min, R$ 110/60 min. Dupla R$ 140/40 min, R$ 160/60 min
Note: Nice girls. Very busy place. Expect waiting time for the cabins.
Special recommendation to Gisele.
www.belprazer.com
- Sala 729: Cabin=A, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=4, WV=B
R$ 70/40 min, R$ 90/60 min
Note: MILFs.
- Sala 725: Cabin=A, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=4, WV=B
R$ 60/30 min, R$ 80/60 min
3. Avenida Rio Branco 181:
- Sala 1006: Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=15, WV=A
R$ 70/30 min, R$ 80/40 min, R$ 1000/60, min. Dupla R$ 120/40 min, R$ 150/60 min
Note: Excellent place, with GFE. Special recommendations to Julia, Amanda, Nathalia and Bia.
www.flaviamassagens.com.br
- Sala 210: Cabin=A, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=4, WV=B
R$ 60/30 min, R$ 90/60 min
4. Rua Senador Dantas 117:
- Sala 117: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=3, WV=C
R$ 60/30 min, R$ 80/40 min, massage+HJ. Penetration or BJ costs extra.
5. Av 13 de Maio 47:
- Sala 513: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=4, WV=C
R$ 20/20 min, R$ 30/30 min, R$ 60/60 min
6. Rua Almirante Barroso 6:
- Sala 305: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=6, WV=B
R$ 70/30 min, R$ 100/60 min
7. Rua Santa Lucia 405:
- Sala 429: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=C; WV=C
R$ 30/30 min
8. Rua da Carioca 59: 3 floors, 5 casas.
Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=B-C, Number=25, WV=B
R$ 1/min, R$ 20/20 min, R$ 30/30 min
9. Rua da Carioca 40: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=15, WV=B
R$ 15/10 min, R$ 30/20 min, R$ 40/30 min
10. Rua Uruguaiana 24: 4 floors.
Cabin=C, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=30, WV=B
R$ 18-23/15 min, R$ 25/20 min, R$ 30-35/30 min
Note: Some really nice girls. Cabins close to the bar, loud music is disturbing.
Special recommendation to Luana (petite with big amazing tits).
11. Rua do Ouvidor 130:
- Sala 911: Cabin=B, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=6, WV=C
R$ 20/20 min, R$ 30/30 min
- Sala 707: Cabin=B, Service=A, Standard=B, Number=6, WV=A
R$ 20/1 pop “no timelimit”
Note: Special recommendation to Kelly (great ass).
12. Rua Buenos Aires 85: 6 floors.
Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=60, WV=A
R$ 1/min, R$ 20/20 min, R$ 30/30 min
Note: Always some nice girls. Enjoy the stairs.
Special recommendation to Patricia (bubble but).
13. Praça Olavo Bilac 13:
- Sala 513: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B-C, Number=7, WV=B
R$ 15/10 min, R$ 20/15 min, R$ 25/20 min, R$ 35/30 min, R$ 65/60 min
14. Praça Olavo Bilac 15:
- Sala 513: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B-C, Number=7, WV=B
R$ 17/15 min, R$ 22/20 min, R$ 32/30 min
15. Travessa do Ouvidor 37: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=15, WV=B
R$ 40/20 min, R$ 60/30 min
16. Rua da Quitanda 81 (Club Gatinha): Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=20, WV=B
Entrada=R$ 10, R$ 70/30 min, R$ 100/40 min, R$ 120/60 min
17. Avenida Presidente Vargas 590:
- Sala 1005: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=2, WV=C
R$ 50/30 min, R$ 70/60 min
- Sala 817: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=4, WV=C
R$ 70/30 min, R$ 90/60 min
18. Avenida Presidente Vargas 482:
- Sala 914: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=B, Number=4, WV=B
R$ 70/60 min, massage+HJ. BJ costs R$ 30 extra.
19. Rua Conceicao 116: Cabin=C, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=15, WV=C
R$ 25/20 min, R$ 35/30 min, R$ 70/60 min
20. Rua do Acre 120: Cabin=C, Service=C, Standard=C, Number=7, WV=C
R$ 20/20 min, R$ 30/30 min
21. Rua Leandro Martins 3: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=6, WV=C
R$ 20/20 min, R$ 30/30 min
22. Rua Leandro Martins 5: Cabin=B, Service=B, Standard=C, Number=8, WV=C
R$ 20/20 min, R$ 30/30 min
23. Praca Mauá, Florida: Stripclub with cabins. Cabin=A, Service=A, Standard=A, Number=15, WV=A
Entrada=R$ 10, R$ 70/30 min, R$ 120/60 min.
24. Praca Mauá, Escandinavia: Stripclub. WV=B
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Casas from the my list from last year, 2009, that have closed (or at least appeared closed when I visited):
# Avenida Rio Branco 156, Edificio Central:
- Sala 1833
- Sala 1804
- Sala 1701
# Avenida Rio Branco 185:
- Sala 1829
# Rua México 148:
- Sala 804
# Rua Buenos Aires 93:
- Sala 513
# Rua Buenos Aires 113
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VM:
* Vila Mimosa: 72 casas.
Cabin=B and C, Service=C (some B), Standard=(A-)C, Number=roughly 1500, counting all shifts and weekendworkers. WV=A
Gems to be found.
R$ 25-28/30 min.
Hotel Canário (motel)=R$ 30/4 hs. Girl will charge you R$ 40-60/1-2 hs at Canário.
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My personal choices:
# When I want a quick and cheap session:
Metro to Carioca. First I pass by Rua Carioca 59, then I continue to Rua Uruguaiana 24 and finally to Rua Buenos Aires 85. This casa-tour takes about 20 minutes. Then I make my choice where to session. Usually I end up in BA 85.
# When I want to have a bit more costly quality-sex with GFE in a nice room:
Metro to Carioca. I check out the casas in Av Rio Branco 156, 181 and 185. If I’m in a hurry I go directly to RB 181/Sala 1006 or RB 185/Sala 2114. There I always find something suitable.
# When I want to dig for gems:
I go to VM. VM is the place where you can hit the jackpot. Some of the most beautiful GPs I’ve ever met have been working at VM. The percentage of beautiful girls in VM are small. It’s a sport finding a gem at VM. It takes experience, patience, skill and a portion of good luck.
Go there around 5-6 PM. Do a search in all of the alleys. Stick your head inside ALL of the casas. If you find nothing interesting then position yourself in one of the bars at the entrance to the U-alley, and wait for the girls arriving to work. When you finally se Miss Perfect arriving you jump on her like a cobra. Follow her to her casa and be her first customer that day.
“The higher the quality, the higher the price”? IMO that’s bullsh*t and a very false statement. High quality can be had for a very cheap price.
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My personal advice:
I prefer to visit the centro casas just before noon, when the girls have just arrived. That way I have the opportunity of being the first client of the day. If you go there at lunch time the good casas might be crowded and the best girls all occupied.
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Maps:
As I earlier posted various maps in this forum it can be a bit confusing which map that's the latest and most updated one. Because of this I also attach the most updated Vila Mimosa and Copacabana maps in this report. This way you'll find all my maps in one place.
Note: The only new map is the Sperto, Centro Map.
Regarding the updated Centro map. Because of the size limit for posting pictures/JPG is 640x480 I couldn't do the map in JPG-format. I did it in PDF-format. Unfortunately the size limit for posting PDF is 390,6 kb. Because of this the map is a little bit blurry.
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Attached:
- Sperto, Vila Mimosa, Directions, Map, JPG
- Sperto, Vila Mimosa, Detailed Alleys, MAP, JPG
- Sperto, Centro, Map, Updated March 2009, PDF
- Sperto, Vila Mimosa, Directions, Map, PDF
- Sperto, Copacabana, Map, PDF
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I hope the list will be helpful in your mongering in Centro of Rio. Don’t forget to report about new casas!
Cheers
Sperto
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P.S THE CENTRO MAP IS THE FIRST ATTACHED PDF-FILE (that means the third of the five attachments)!
Sperto,
Many thanks for the update and for the invaluable information that you have provided for us. I am returning to Rio for my second trip in June and I hope to make good use of the list!
[QUOTE=Sperto]Update on Casas de Massagem and Termas in Centro, pricerange R$ 15-85.
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I have updated my list of cheap Centro Casas in Rio. A couple of the old casas have closed. I have added a bunch of new casas. No casa or terma costing more than R$ 85 are on the list.
Member #4164
04-10-10, 20:02
Guys,
I'm not knocking anyone for how they Monger throughout this world. Ive been to Rio many times and I've only went to the VM one time. I was there about 30 minutes and got the hell out of there. Its a shit hole. I could never go into one of those filthy rooms down those long dark corridors and get laid. For those brave Mongers that can do it, your dedication to the game is far Superior to Big Trickin's. I just cant do the VM. Ill be back in Rio in November. Hopefully a new spot to replace Help is up by then.
Good Times to all.
Brazil Specialist
04-11-10, 05:03
http://www.desejosecretos.soelas.com.br/[/url] http://www.prazertotal.belasvip.com/home.htm http://www.garotaacompanhante.com/home.htm for the same price you pay a GDP from Villa Mimosa, then I will bow before you.
I took a look at these sites.
They are all from São Paulo, so I cannot really comment on them. Some might be real and high priced, some look too suspiciously like US Playboy models.
If you are interested, search gpguia for comments. Some guys analyze backgrounds, if the fixtures, doors, walls, windows do not look Brazilian, that is a giveaway. Of course, they could be Brazilian Playboy models, but that is more likely to cause legal consequences.
http://www.mclass.com.br/ seems to be legit for stunners. Prices are usually in the R$ 250 and higher range. Photos are heavily photoshopped and airbrushed, in playboy style.
I will be going back to Rio for the first time in a few years and had a question about hotels. I used to get an apartment for around 50 to 70 a night when the hotels started raising rates and charging extra for girls. Are there any new hotels in the last couple years, in the 50 to 80 price range, that now allow girls w/o a extra charge. The last place I remember was the hotel debret which changed their policy. I think Rio Roiss was the other but I never liked their rooms.
Brazil Specialist
04-11-10, 05:43
Guys,
I'm not knocking anyone for how they Monger throughout this world. Ive been to Rio many times and I've only went to the VM one time. I was there about 30 minutes and got the hell out of there. Its a shit hole. I could never go into one of those filthy rooms down those long dark corridors and get laid. For those brave Mongers that can do it, your dedication to the game is far Superior to Big Trickin's. I just cant do the VM. Ill be back in Rio in November. Hopefully a new spot to replace Help is up by then.
Good Times to all.
I also get scared off by VM. too much filth for my taste. But I respect sperto for saying that he found some of the best girls he has ever seen.
As I said, I prefer other places, like some of the places he quotes in his post and a few others.
Great list, Sperto, will try a few places I have not known yet. I miss a few comments about opening hours (most places are daytime, Florida is nighttime)
Also, there is a HUGE difference in cleanliness between most of the R$ 25 and under places, which are frequented by blue collar workers and below, and the massage parlors for R$ 60 in Rio Branco.
The former are cheap, have some amazing gems, but are a bit rough and dirty. I solve the hygiene problem by bringing along towels, bringing fitted single bedsheets is an even better solution. But I understand that many are turned off by hygiene and also by the other low class customers.
The latter are frequented by Brazilian white collar workers and are usually extremely clean and tidy. Rooms are often better then the plain high class termas room and comparable or better then a termas suite. Most gringos with good taste would love those places, were it not for a slight complexity to get there and pick the girls.
My personal grudge with these white collar massage parlors is that it is hard to see the body of the girls, to verify if the boobs are hard or saggy. But people who stress facial looks will be very happy.
Alinemassagens has a good web site where one can ogle the naked bodies before going to the parlor. Belprazer too. Alinemassagens has excellent deals on 2 girls on one guy, Belprazer has good orgy deals (2 guys with 2 girls)
Great list, Sperto, will try a few places I have not known yet. I miss a few comments about opening hours (most places are daytime, Florida is nighttime)
Also, there is a HUGE difference in cleanliness between most of the R$ 25 and under places, which are frequented by blue collar workers and below, and the massage parlors for R$ 60 in Rio Branco.
Yes, the opening hours are missing.
I don't visit these casas for the purpose of doing a ISG list. I visit them because I enjoy myself a lot with these daytime sessions. Specially fun is trying to find casas that I havn't visited before. Sometimes the adresses I visit turns out to be a miss. The GP-casa has moved and the address now holds an office, lawfirm or other legitimate businesses. If so I just apologize and say that I was looking for a dentist or whatever.
I went to the 35 casas on the list, the 7 casas that I listed as closed and about a dozen more addresses that turned out to not being GP casas. This means a lot of scribbling notes that later becomes my list. I have no interest in also making notes of the exact opening hours.
Just about all casas on the list, no 1-22, are daytime casas (Florida and Escandinavia, no 23 and 24, being the exceptions). Daytime meaning that they open around 10-11 AM and close around 6-7 PM. Most casas are also closed on weekends, with a few exceptions.
Regarding the cleanliness my cabin-rating gives a hint what to expect.
Dp Gumbypgh
04-11-10, 10:21
I would love you to prove that to me.
Siqueira Campos 22, just as apt 204 on Av Copacabana 583 do have the following pricing:
R$ 55 for 20 minutes for Brazilians. Most girls are a little unhappy about this short one.I always paid the R$55 for 20 minutes but I was considered VIP as I went to 22 almost every day and knew the manager/owner from day 1 just about. Never heard about R$40 price from any or the Brazilians there that i spoke with.
Don't mess with your wife's health because of your actions. Give her the info she needs to know to take care of her own health decisions.
I can't give out too many details. You never know who might read this.
But No, it doesn't say Cipro. It says Bayer on one side and I think 2500 on the other.
I wasted 2 pills with my first attempts. Let's just say crushed Cipro pills are extremely bitter. The one that worked was not crushed. And late at night.
I also found out about Cephalexin. Unfortunately it's only available via injection. I got one of those in Mexico as well. I am now clean, and I don't know which drug worked.
I will basically have to have sex with my wife again and see if she re-infects ME. If that happens I will have to fess up. And will probably be looking for a new place to live.
Mr Enternational
04-12-10, 07:01
New Jack City a.k.a. The Carter
Ed. Nossa Senhora da Conceicao
Av. Ernani do Amaral Peixoto, 327
Niteroi 24020-072
Directions. Exit the boat in Niteroi and walk straight ahead. This will be Av. Ernani do Amaral Peixoto. When you cross Rua Maestro Felicio Toledo you will see a green building on your left. It is next door to Caixa bank and Oi and Claro are across the street from it. Go inside and walk up the staircase on the left. Four floors of hors starts on the second floor.
There are at least 20 apartments on each floor. At most apartments you are supposed to ring the bell, then there are others that have a sign saying enter without knocking. Most of the apartments are mini boites/casas but there are a few that regular people live in. When this is the case there is usually a sign saying "respect our family" or something to that extent. They even have their own convenience store inside of the building.
For those who can't take VM or a centro casa this will not be the place for you. When Cho and I went there was some young Brazilian guy who latched onto us and went everywhere we went. We ditched him when we had the chance and ran up to the fourth floor and "hid" inside of a casa. Within 10 minutes he had caught up with us. It was like he had a tracking device on us.
One of my wingmen told me that the same thing had happened to him when he went. It turned out that his guy didn't have any money and asked him to buy him a programma. He said he felt sorry for the guy and decided to hook him up. I think the average cost is R$20 and a lot of the places do have showers and provide clean towels.
I am not sure of the exact opening and closing times. But this is the daytime spot in Niteroi. So I will estimate 10am-8pm or so. All other places in Niteroi are night spots. e.g. They open no sooner than 8pm and stay open until 5 or 6 am. (Correct me if I am wrong, but of the ones we tried to go to we were always told they didn't open until 8pm). One guy who I was asking for directions in Niteroi said the police have been closing some of the spots down. Maybe they have not been their "look the other way" money or something.
Mr Enternational
04-12-10, 07:07
One friend told me that him and another one of our wingmen went to 22 Siqueira a while back. His Portuguese has gotten so good that the manager thought he was Brazilian so he told him that for him a girl is only R40, but for his friend it would be R90.
I would love you to prove that to me.
I fought hard, to get the half hour Brazilian price for my gringo friends I bring along. Now if anyone can prove me he got R$ 40, I would be extremely curious to know. I doubt that it would be easy for you guys to get even the R$ 75 half hour price ............
so you might have to settle for R$ 90 or 100, but see what you can negotiate. One possibility is to slap R$ 75 counted money into the girl's hand and say you want half an hour and see where this gets you.I checked with the wingman who told me the story. He can't remember where the place was. He said it was an office complex with apartments in Copacabana. (Sounds something like 583). I emailed the other wingman but I haven't heard back from him yet.
Update: I heard back from him this morning. He said, "Well there is a place near 22 siquiera campos that we went to. That's the only thing I remember like that "
Sperto,
Good stuff!
I've been to a couple of these and I agree with your ratings!
... My point is, the higher the quality, the higher the price. What’s in your wallet?
... Bottom line…………..if you are wearing a smile when she leaves, you are not stupid.
If those were test questions ...
Your point number 1 for me is FALSE.
Some of my best have either been cheap or free.
Knowledge and experience over money works.
Your bottom line, well of course that's TRUE :)
Brazil Specialist
04-14-10, 02:53
. However I will be happily stuck.. paying *centro* rates for the equivalent pussy and perhaps better service, not Copa rates! Can't wait to pound ground on Ave Rio Branco and similar again, and to pound the mattresses in the apts above!
All that said, in my personal interactions on ISG I have found that the board membership contains many high intelligent, creative, and sometimes entrepreneurial people who just happen to be hard core sex addicts. If all these minds were working together, a strategy could be devised to manipulate the GDP market prices back to our advantage??...
The foreigners manipulated the GDP market, to their disadvantage. Drove the prices UP.
I wrote here, that on the unmanipulated Brazilian GDP market, I saw dozens of Help and Barbarella girls and did some of them for R$ 20 - 50.
Like opening up a new Help somewhere else and providing canned, plausible, and family-friendly excuses for several hundred girls of negotiable virtue from the countryside who would like to come to the city and make money the old fashioned way. The existing GDP's would have to lower prices. I am confident that they would do tricks at half the current prices, as I doubt they know of any other way to get money at all, other than stealing.
Brazil would be one big huge wh..re house (worse then it was 20-30 years ago) IF it were not for these problems
There is a saying
In Brazil everything is prohibited, but you can do anything if you do it the right way with the right connections.
Absolutely everything about prostitution is illegal, except selling your own pussy or buying it.
Giving advice, enticing someone to start prostitution, helping someone to travel even small distances to exercise prostitution, providing a space for it, everything is illegal. They can get you for anything.
So only well connected people, normally police, can open a terma. Nobody else. I heard a story about the foreigner who bought a bar in VM. Was not welcome.
Yes, would be great: a guy in VM who charges R$ 15 room fee for a clean room instead of R$ 5 for a pig sty. But it is not happening.
Interestingly, there is a market for Brazilians who pay high prices, but most Help girls would not qualify.
It is too bad: 30 years ago Brazil was a big w..re house: almost every known woman in society was a GP at that time. Wife of industrialist Eike Batista, the 8th richest man in the world, Xuxa the richest woman in Brazil, you name it. The good times are over .............
Jamaicanceo
04-14-10, 07:18
I office Ave. Rio Branco building next to Carioca station. I pick a floor to do some mongering. When I get to my selected floor I run into 9 gringoes from Copacabana. They are all wearing tourist uniforms and back packets like Navy Seals on a mission to find the termas atmosphere. They complained that they went to a suite and were told to come back in a hour. Literally they were turned away. Of course they were turned away for approaching a suite like they were enter 4 x 4 or somewhere. After I followed them to the 1st floor, I doubled back to the suite where they were turned around and entered it with a problem, and I had a nice session. A completa costed R150 a hour or so with a credit card.
This location should be handled discreetly. Like most large office building there are cameras. On the first floor near the elevators I observed a camera room, where the door window had dark tint but you could see the manned monitors. So the word to the wise, do not approach an office suite as if you are entering a terma. Don't be loud and go with no more than two people. Or if you can go by yourself. My last visit to the office building I travelled by myself. I was schooled the day before by ISG member aceva.
I office Ave. Rio Branco building next to Carioca station. I pick a floor to do some mongering. When I get to my selected floor I run into 9 gringoes from Copacabana. They are all wearing tourist uniforms...
Very true.
All the casas on Rio Branco 156, 181 and 185 demands a decent behaviour. These casas are anonymous. They handle their clients with discretion. When a customer enters the casa he's often being showed into one of the rooms, where he's being presented all the ladies. Normally they do everything to avoid that one customer meets another customer. That's standard procedure.
They don't mind having gringos as clients, as long as they know the drill and behave. Having a bunch of loud gringos might be a nightmare for the casa. It might scare away their regular customers. These gringos might be better of at BA 85 or Uruguaiana 24.
I do feel guilty, as I do post my list of casas. I guess I sometimes forget that there are all kinds of mongers that use this info. The decent ones and the ones who think they are visiting Disneyland.
Xuxa a GDP!!?? I DON"T think so. Only in your dreams.
Yeah, she was definately a working girl, she had even made a porno movie. Her hooking up with Pele was the greatest thing that ever happened to her!
I need the board's advice on a problem I have here in Rio! Its kinda confusing, but I will do my best to explain the situation. I would like you guy's feedback on whether I am wrong legally, morally or if you think i am correct.
In February, I emailed a woman that I had rented from on the past. I told her that I wanted to rent her apartment for the month of March, she told me the place was available and I could have it for 2000R. She asked me when I was going to arive and I told her I would arrive in Rio on the 28th of February, I told her I was going to stay with a friend and then go pick up the keys on monday the 1st. She told me that nobody would be in the apartment and if I wanted, I could pick up the keys on the 28th, no problem.
I arrived on the 28th, unpacked and she said "we will settle up everything tomorrow, just get settled in and drop by my apartment tomorrow". I went Monday the 1st and we signed a contract for the month of March, I paid my 2000R and my 300R deposit. I moved out on april 1st and when I went to pay my bill for the gas and electricity, this is where the bullshit started. I will try to explain it, but its kinda weird.
When I went to pay my bill for the lights and gas, the woman’s daughter told me that I actually owed her for an extra 4 days!!! She said I owe for the 28th of February and I need to pay for the 29th, 30 and 31st of march!! I was floored!! I kinda half expected I would have to pay for the 28th, I know there is no such thing as a free lunch! But the 29th, 30 and 31st bullshit I didn’t understand.
She told me it works like this is in brasil. "if I check in to an apartment on the 28th of feb, then the clock starts ticking from that moment. So now I rental time period is from the 28th of feb till the 28th of March!!" She said my time period stopped on the 28th and I had to pay for the remaining 3 days I stayed in the apartment!! Furthermore, because it wasnt under the month long contract, i now had to pay the daily rate, which is 200R per day!!!!! So now I owed her 800Reias!!!!
With a smile on my face, I politely told her that I had already paid for the month of March and that at the most, I owed for one day's rental, the 28th of february! She swore that that is not how it works in brasil, she said,” whatever day you move into the apartment is the day you have to move out on the next month when you do a one month rental! If you move in on the 28th, you have to move out on the 28th the next month!”
Her and I went back and forth for over an hour trying to resolve everything. I even called over a brasilian friend who speaks English to try and get her to see my side of things. No luck, we were both convinced that we were correct. The lady's daughter is now laying a heavy guilt trip on me now, saying if I don’t pay the bill, the money will come out of her pocket because she is responsible for making sure the owner gets the money for the rental.
My question to the board is this. Common sense tells me I am right, however I know common sense in brasil does not always mean the same thing in America. Should I just pay the 800R, tell he to go to hell, or split the difference and chalk it up to a cultural misunderstanding?
Wow I understand you completely, this is so unfortunate, truthfully I don't think you should have to pay anything extra and I think you should not deal with the daughter, find the lady who told you to move in early and deal with her.
If someone told me I can move in early and I was renting for a month, I would assume it was for free, but you can't assume, so at the most you are liable for 1 day, the 28th, but I would argue with the Mother and tell her if I pay it I will never come back again.
I don't know what the daughter looks like but it sounds like she should be selling pussy instead of renting apartments.
I need the board's advice on a problem I have here in Rio! Its kinda confusing, but I will do my best to explain the situation. I would like you guy's feedback on whether I am wrong legally, morally or if you think i am correct.
My question to the board is this. Common sense tells me I am right, however I know common sense in brasil does not always mean the same thing in America. Should I just pay the 800R, tell he to go to hell, or split the difference and chalk it up to a cultural misunderstanding?
KellySlater
04-14-10, 23:27
Legally- you signed a contract- what does it say- that would be all I would pay- whatever the contract says.
Morally- they should have explained this to you- They are trying to take advantage of you- maybe it works that way in Brasil maybe not but if it does, knowing that you are not brasilian, they should have explained that.
They are running game on you.
SlimHoleDrill
04-15-10, 00:08
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Her and I went back and forth for over an hour trying to resolve everything. I even called over a brasilian friend who speaks English to try and get her to see my side of things. No luck, we were both convinced that we were correct. The lady's daughter is now laying a heavy guilt trip on me now, saying if I don’t pay the bill, the money will come out of her pocket because she is responsible for making sure the owner gets the money for the rental.
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This part is BS, I think. I doubt that the owner has a clue you moved in a day early. Out of her pocket? Acho que nao. No doubt , there are strange real estate rules in Brazil (from the gringo perspective) but the same can be said when Americans go to Europe, for example. So, I agree, get the mother involved.
My question to the board is this. Common sense tells me I am right, however I know common sense in brasil does not always mean the same thing in America. Should I just pay the 800R, tell he to go to hell, or split the difference and chalk it up to a cultural misunderstanding?
That's so brasilian.
I'd opt for go to hell.
They try to get extra in any way possible.
Her logic has no base.
Just leave the apt., tell her to fuck off and never ever rent again. Even better, post here all details of these people so others won't fall in their bullshit.
Remember that the business logic here is that when the demand is low, raise the price and when demand gets high again raise price even more. Especially Copacabana low lives are like this.
A word of advice to all. If you are looking for an apt. and have at least adequate portuguese skills, try to find one in Botafogo, Flamengo, Cloria etc. There cariocas are a tad more honest, but just a tad.
Member #3439
04-15-10, 00:54
One of my wingmen told me that the same thing had happened to him when he went. It turned out that his guy didn't have any money and asked him to buy him a programma. He said he felt sorry for the guy and decided to hook him up. I think the average cost is R$20 and a lot of the places do have showers and provide clean towels.
Thanks so much for the great report!
Your wingman must be naive and green as hell to do something like this and create a monster that every other gringo has to fight off. Now that Brasilado probably has a reaction like Pavlov's dog, getting a stiff dick and raising his palm every time he sees a gringo. You need to educate this guy. Now the price of a session there just doubled for a lot of guys that don't know the intentions of this particular Brasilado, if he doesn't receive the programma.
-PP
New Jack City a.k.a. The Carter
Ed. Nossa Senhora da Conceicao
Av. Ernani do Amaral Peixoto, 327
Niteroi 24020-072
Directions. Exit the boat in Niteroi and walk straight ahead. This will be Av. Ernani do Amaral Peixoto. When you cross Rua Maestro Felicio Toledo you will see a green building on your left. It is next door to Caixa bank and Oi and Claro are across the street from it. Go inside and walk up the staircase on the left. Four floors of hors starts on the second floor.
There are at least 20 apartments on each floor. At most apartments you are supposed to ring the bell, then there are others that have a sign saying enter without knocking. Most of the apartments are mini boites/casas but there are a few that regular people live in. When this is the case there is usually a sign saying "respect our family" or something to that extent. They even have their own convenience store inside of the building.
For those who can't take VM or a centro casa this will not be the place for you. When Cho and I went there was some young Brazilian guy who latched onto us and went everywhere we went. We ditched him when we had the chance and ran up to the fourth floor and "hid" inside of a casa. Within 10 minutes he had caught up with us. It was like he had a tracking device on us.
One of my wingmen told me that the same thing had happened to him when he went. It turned out that his guy didn't have any money and asked him to buy him a programma. He said he felt sorry for the guy and decided to hook him up. I think the average cost is R$20 and a lot of the places do have showers and provide clean towels.
I am not sure of the exact opening and closing times. But this is the daytime spot in Niteroi. So I will estimate 10am-8pm or so. All other places in Niteroi are night spots. e.g. They open no sooner than 8pm and stay open until 5 or 6 am. (Correct me if I am wrong, but of the ones we tried to go to we were always told they didn't open until 8pm). One guy who I was asking for directions in Niteroi said the police have been closing some of the spots down. Maybe they have not been their "look the other way" money or something.
All the pictures remind me of the Eros centres and Luv haus in Frankfurt. But without the scantily clad women in the doorways.
Xuxa a GDP!!?? I DON"T think so. Only in your dreams.
A bit old now but probably worth R$50.
I need the board's advice on a problem I have here in Rio! Its kinda confusing, but I will do my best to explain the situation. I would like you guy's feedback on whether I am wrong legally, morally or if you think i am correct.
In February, I emailed a woman that I had rented from on the past. I told her that I wanted to rent her apartment for the month of March, she told me the place was available and I could have it for 2000R. She asked me when I was going to arive and I told her I would arrive in Rio on the 28th of February, I told her I was going to stay with a friend and then go pick up the keys on monday the 1st. She told me that nobody would be in the apartment and if I wanted, I could pick up the keys on the 28th, no problem.
I arrived on the 28th, unpacked and she said "we will settle up everything tomorrow, just get settled in and drop by my apartment tomorrow". I went Monday the 1st and we signed a contract for the month of March, I paid my 2000R and my 300R deposit. I moved out on april 1st and when I went to pay my bill for the gas and electricity, this is where the bullshit started. I will try to explain it, but its kinda weird.
When I went to pay my bill for the lights and gas, the woman’s daughter told me that I actually owed her for an extra 4 days!!! She said I owe for the 28th of February and I need to pay for the 29th, 30 and 31st of march!! I was floored!! I kinda half expected I would have to pay for the 28th, I know there is no such thing as a free lunch! But the 29th, 30 and 31st bullshit I didn’t understand.
She told me it works like this is in brasil. "if I check in to an apartment on the 28th of feb, then the clock starts ticking from that moment. So now I rental time period is from the 28th of feb till the 28th of March!!" She said my time period stopped on the 28th and I had to pay for the remaining 3 days I stayed in the apartment!! Furthermore, because it wasnt under the month long contract, i now had to pay the daily rate, which is 200R per day!!!!! So now I owed her 800Reias!!!!
With a smile on my face, I politely told her that I had already paid for the month of March and that at the most, I owed for one day's rental, the 28th of february! She swore that that is not how it works in brasil, she said,” whatever day you move into the apartment is the day you have to move out on the next month when you do a one month rental! If you move in on the 28th, you have to move out on the 28th the next month!”
Her and I went back and forth for over an hour trying to resolve everything. I even called over a brasilian friend who speaks English to try and get her to see my side of things. No luck, we were both convinced that we were correct. The lady's daughter is now laying a heavy guilt trip on me now, saying if I don’t pay the bill, the money will come out of her pocket because she is responsible for making sure the owner gets the money for the rental.
My question to the board is this. Common sense tells me I am right, however I know common sense in brasil does not always mean the same thing in America. Should I just pay the 800R, tell he to go to hell, or split the difference and chalk it up to a cultural misunderstanding?
What do you think? Tell her to f**k off.
Gfe Finder
04-15-10, 01:24
Xuxa a GDP!!?? I DON"T think so. Only in your dreams.
She was a Playboy centerfold and appeared nude in at least one movie that I'm aware of. Since no one can prove a negative we can't rule it out, I just think it's unlikely given her background and the possible confusion with the above 2 roles.
Gfe Finder
04-15-10, 01:32
I do feel guilty, as I do post my list of casas. I guess I sometimes forget that there are all kinds of mongers that use this info. The decent ones and the ones who think they are visiting Disneyland.
I speak for many in saying that it is great and useful info (the sharing of which is what this board is all about.) I can think of at least 3 barriers that would keep many "dumb Gringo tourists" away from the Centro casas:
1. Language-- one must speak at least basic Portuguese to get around and one will likely need to be fluent to have a good time.
2. Cleanliness-- some of these places (VM in particular) would so horribly fail a health inspection that any establishment within a 20 meter radius would fail as well. Unprepared First World tourists (i.e. dumb Gringos) would retch, recoil, and run away from such places.
3. Location-- since it's not the tourist friendly Zona Sul, Centro bears the reputation (probably somewhat deserved) for being unsafe and harder to get around, particularly for green tourists.
I don't doubt that Centro visits should be a part of every dedicated Rio monger's itinerary, but in addition I'd put Portuguese lessons and revised expectations on the list as well.
Mr Enternational
04-15-10, 01:33
Her and I went back and forth for over an hour trying to resolve everything. I even called over a brasilian friend who speaks English to try and get her to see my side of things. No luck, we were both convinced that we were correct. The lady's daughter is now laying a heavy guilt trip on me now, saying if I don’t pay the bill, the money will come out of her pocket because she is responsible for making sure the owner gets the money for the rental.
My question to the board is this. Common sense tells me I am right, however I know common sense in brasil does not always mean the same thing in America. Should I just pay the 800R, tell he to go to hell, or split the difference and chalk it up to a cultural misunderstanding?I'm a little different from the other guys on the board. I would first ask to meet with the owner. They could actually be trying to pocket some of the money without the owner knowing. If there was no way that they would let me meet with the owner or the owner tried to give me some bullshit story, THEN I would tell all of them to fuck off.
Mr Enternational
04-15-10, 02:35
Thanks so much for the great report!
Your wingman must be naive and green as hell to do something like this and create a monster that every other gringo has to fight off. Now that Brasilado probably has a reaction like Pavlov's dog, getting a stiff dick and raising his palm every time he sees a gringo. You need to educate this guy. Now the price of a session there just doubled for a lot of guys that don't know the intentions of this particular Brasilado, if he doesn't receive the programma.Not green at all. This is the person who taught me a lot of what I know! I met him when I was in school in Rio. I was just starting to learn Portuguese back then. I remember us riding the bus from Copa to VM. I was trying to talk to the change lady on the bus with my brand new, less than half-ass Portuguese. Then he started talking to her and she gave him her phone number. She told him that she didn't understand my Portuguese. At that moment I knew what the fruits of stepping my game up and learning the language could be. He went on to marry a Brasileira a couple of years ago. But you know the old saying, "You can take the monger out of the termas, but he'll be back in a couple of weeks!"
My question to the board is this. Common sense tells me I am right, however I know common sense in brasil does not always mean the same thing in America. Should I just pay the 800R, tell he to go to hell, or split the difference and chalk it up to a cultural misunderstanding?
The problem is February is a 28 Day month, so you got fucked vs a 30 or 31 day month. I agree you may want to try to have a conversation with the owner to resolve this, if they won't tip toe out to the airport. An additional R200 is not the end of the world, but I certainly would not pay R400.
Poucolouco
04-15-10, 03:28
I need the board's advice on a problem I have here in Rio! Its kinda confusing, but I will do my best to explain the situation. I would like you guy's feedback on whether I am wrong legally, morally or if you think i am correct.
My question to the board is this. Common sense tells me I am right, however I know common sense in brasil does not always mean the same thing in America. Should I just pay the 800R, tell he to go to hell, or split the difference and chalk it up to a cultural misunderstanding?
She is wrong. If it is not specifically spelled out in your contract, she can not change the rate nor require you to pay a penalty. You need to read your contract thoroughly to see if there is a clause supporting her claim. You also should read the Brasilian Renter's Law (Lei do Inquilino) so you can understand and argue your side. http://www.segundooficio.com.br/lei8245.htm
Obs: There were amendments to this law in 2010 which you should also research.
Smooth Slim
04-15-10, 04:41
I'm a little different from the other guys on the board. I would first ask to meet with the owner. They could actually be trying to pocket some of the money without the owner knowing. If there was no way that they would let me meet with the owner or the owner tried to give me some bullshit story, THEN I would tell all of them to fuck off.
I agree with Mr. Enternational... Ask to meet with the owner. The logic is flawed not matter what culture you are dealing with.
So what would have happened if you wanted to rent for the month of Feb. and you had to check in early on Jan. 31. Would you have been allowed to say into March, because there is no 31 days in Feb. Crazy... Furthermore on check in they should have disclosed this little rule. You were clear that you were renting for the month of March. Bait and switch at it worst.
At most you owe for the early arrival. But a good business person would give you that day in an attempt to get repeat business.
I arrived on the 28th, unpacked and she said "we will settle up everything tomorrow, just get settled in and drop by my apartment tomorrow". I went Monday the 1st and we signed a contract for the month of March, I paid my 2000R and my 300R deposit. I moved out on april 1st and when I went to pay my bill for the gas and electricity, this is where the bullshit started. I will try to explain it, but its kinda weird.
I think you're correct and you should just pay for one month. However I understand the daughter as well. The brazilian way of reasoning with these matters are not logical, specially as they might not always be genious in mathematics.
If it was clear that you entered on the 1:st of March there wouldn't be any doubt that you're right. If you had entered on the 28:th of February she would in some way be correct.
As you left on the 1:st of April you actually should pay for one day extra.
Wanting to charge you R$ 200/day for the extra days is very greedy. It shows that she's more interested in ripping you off than keeping you as a future customer. I wouldn't pay for any extra days.
Crusader560
04-15-10, 08:58
Okay, listen in brazil things are always crazy. But now you said you paid for the month of March. Does your contract say 30 day, 31 days or just the month of march. If it says the month of march, i would pay for that 1 extra day. But if it states 30 days than it should be 2 days, unless you left on the 1st very late. And i would count that as a half. But that part where she says it's 4 days. would never happen. And for the people who feel that she said no problem, yeah it is no problem they are going to charge you. Not that you are going to get it free. You are not family. you are a stranger. would you let your tenant live in you APT in the states for free? (LOL) Normal Apt rental is i believe, $60 to $75 a day. Give her what you are suppose to based on your contract. And say Good bye.
If you have any trouble i know a great attorney. GL
I need the board's advice on a problem I have here in Rio! Its kinda confusing, but I will do my best to explain the situation. I would like you guy's feedback on whether I am wrong legally, morally or if you think i am correct.
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My question to the board is this. Common sense tells me I am right, however I know common sense in brasil does not always mean the same thing in America. Should I just pay the 800R, tell he to go to hell, or split the difference and chalk it up to a cultural misunderstanding?
Bravo,
What you need is a good local lawyer. in Brazil, people use lawyers for everything, like in the USA. The lawyer will know the local ways and will be in a much better position to negociate. PM me if you don't know one : I'll orient you to a good (and cheap) one. Regards.
B.B.
I appreciate everyone''s responses to my problem. After reading all the replies, i am going to stick to my guns and only pay for the 28th and MAYBE half of April 1st.
I dont think its that serious that I need a lawyer as of yet. But thank you guys for the PMs!
Brazil Specialist
04-15-10, 17:33
Very true.
All the casas on Rio Branco 156, 181 and 185 demands a decent behaviour. These casas are anonymous. They handle their clients with discretion. When a customer enters the casa he's often being showed into one of the rooms, where he's being presented all the ladies. Normally they do everything to avoid that one customer meets another customer. That's standard procedure.
They don't mind having gringos as clients, as long as they know the drill and behave. Having a bunch of loud gringos might be a nightmare for the casa. It might scare away their regular customers. These gringos might be better of at BA 85 or Uruguaiana 24.
I do feel guilty, as I do post my list of casas. I guess I sometimes forget that there are all kinds of mongers that use this info. The decent ones and the ones who think they are visiting Disneyland.
I think these instructions MUST be part of your guide, embedded into it.
It is worse, they casa most likely will be closed upon complaints by the neighbors.
Good behavior is a MUST in these downtown executive buildings. Also recommended decent dress, your feet and legs preferably should be covered.
Brazil Specialist
04-15-10, 17:42
I need the board's advice on a problem I have here in Rio! Its kinda confusing, but I will do my best to explain the situation. I would like you guy's feedback on whether I am wrong legally, morally or if you think i am correct.
In February, I emailed a woman that I had rented from on the past. I told her that I wanted to rent her apartment for the month of March, she told me the place was available and I could have it for 2000R. She asked me when I was going to arive and I told her I would arrive in Rio on the 28th of February, I told her I was going to stay with a friend and then go pick up the keys on monday the 1st. She told me that nobody would be in the apartment and if I wanted, I could pick up the keys on the 28th, no problem.
I arrived on the 28th, unpacked and she said "we will settle up everything tomorrow, just get settled in and drop by my apartment tomorrow". I went Monday the 1st and we signed a contract for the month of March, I paid my 2000R and my 300R deposit. I moved out on april 1st and when I went to pay my bill for the gas and electricity, this is where the bullshit started. I will try to explain it, but its kinda weird.
When I went to pay my bill for the lights and gas, the woman’s daughter told me that I actually owed her for an extra 4 days!!! She said I owe for the 28th of February and I need to pay for the 29th, 30 and 31st of march!! I was floored!! I kinda half expected I would have to pay for the 28th, I know there is no such thing as a free lunch! But the 29th, 30 and 31st bullshit I didn’t understand.
She told me it works like this is in brasil. "if I check in to an apartment on the 28th of feb, then the clock starts ticking from that moment. So now I rental time period is from the 28th of feb till the 28th of March!!" She said my time period stopped on the 28th and I had to pay for the remaining 3 days I stayed in the apartment!! Furthermore, because it wasnt under the month long contract, i now had to pay the daily rate, which is 200R per day!!!!! So now I owed her 800Reias!!!!
With a smile on my face, I politely told her that I had already paid for the month of March and that at the most, I owed for one day's rental, the 28th of february! She swore that that is not how it works in brasil, she said,” whatever day you move into the apartment is the day you have to move out on the next month when you do a one month rental! If you move in on the 28th, you have to move out on the 28th the next month!”
Her and I went back and forth for over an hour trying to resolve everything. I even called over a brasilian friend who speaks English to try and get her to see my side of things. No luck, we were both convinced that we were correct. The lady's daughter is now laying a heavy guilt trip on me now, saying if I don’t pay the bill, the money will come out of her pocket because she is responsible for making sure the owner gets the money for the rental.
My question to the board is this. Common sense tells me I am right, however I know common sense in brasil does not always mean the same thing in America. Should I just pay the 800R, tell he to go to hell, or split the difference and chalk it up to a cultural misunderstanding?
Actually, the landlord has a point. This could be a maior legal case for law school homeworks.
A monthly rental would go from the 18th to the 17th of the following month. Right?
So from the 28th to the 27th the following month.
Logic is impeccable. Just that your logic also makes sense. But did you rent for a month starting the 28th? Also, if you rented February, you only get 28 days for your money.
But, the 4 extra days should be paid pro-rata based on MONTHLY rate, not on daily rate. So 2000/30 = 66 per day if I calculate that right.
I am not saying you must pay, but these guys have a perfectly sound argument. Maybe you pay on the base of my calculation.
Or in the middle between your calculation and hers. But yes, talk to the landlord in person
Brazil Specialist
04-15-10, 17:45
I think you're correct and you should just pay for one month. However I understand the daughter as well. The brazilian way of reasoning with these matters are not logical, specially as they might not always be genious in mathematics.
If it was clear that you entered on the 1:st of March there wouldn't be any doubt that you're right. If you had entered on the 28:th of February she would in some way be correct.
As you left on the 1:st of April you actually should pay for one day extra.
Wanting to charge you R$ 200/day for the extra days is very greedy. It shows that she's more interested in ripping you off than keeping you as a future customer. I wouldn't pay for any extra days.
right, once you pay monthly, your extra days should be based pro-rata on your monthly price. This is common practice. Paying daily rate on excess day on long term rentals, this makes NO sense.
Brazil Specialist
04-15-10, 17:54
Xuxa a GDP!!?? I DON"T think so. Only in your dreams.
worse.
There is a movie out there where Xuxa is in bed with a minor boy, caressing him. I think it was only soft core, her sliding her lips over his upper body.
This is why, of a long time, her shows could not be shown in the US. Of course, she bought all the rights about the film.
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Actually, the landlord has a point. This could be a maior legal case for law school homeworks.
A monthly rental would go from the 18th to the 17th of the following month. Right?
So from the 28th to the 27th the following month.
Logic is impeccable. Just that your logic also makes sense. But did you rent for a month starting the 28th? Also, if you rented February, you only get 28 days for your money.
But, the 4 extra days should be paid pro-rata based on MONTHLY rate, not on daily rate. So 2000/30 = 66 per day if I calculate that right.
I am not saying you must pay, but these guys have a perfectly sound argument. Maybe you pay on the base of my calculation.
That is why this is so difficult, we are both Adamant that we are correct. I think its a situation where cultures clash. I shake my head at her thinking "how can she not undertand that I am right" and she looks at me thinking the same thing!!
To answer your question, I was under the impression I rented for the MONTH of March!! Not a 30 day period, but the MONTH of March! I guess me arriving on the 28th negated the month thing and made it a 30 day contract (in her mind).
I told her,"If i arrived on the first of Mrach, I could leave on the 1st of April and it would have been no problem?" she said "yes". So i said "because I arrived ONE day early, now I have to pay 4 days extra?!!! (28 of fev, 29-31 of march). I asked her "how does that make sense to you? I arrive one day early and now I have to pay an extra 4 day's rental!!" All she could say was "Thats how it is in Brasil".
I have to go see her on saturday, I hope we can settle this in a way where it doesnt cost me any extra money. We are not arguing or fighting over the money, its just a difference of opinion because we cant seem to reach a middle ground.
That is why this is so difficult, we are both Adamant that we are correct. I think its a situation where cultures clash. I shake my head at her thinking "how can she not undertand that I am right" and she looks at me thinking the same thing!!
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I have to go see her on saturday, I hope we can settle this in a way where it doesnt cost me any extra money. We are not arguing or fighting over the money, its just a difference of opinion because we cant seem to reach a middle ground.
If this women has the right kind of friends, then you might find yourself in serious legal trouble. As the Brazilians say "My friends for me, the Law for my enemies".
You are right and She is right.This is why you will lose because local customs will prevail. Any amount of "gringo logic" will get you nowhere.
You are not fighting for the same stakes either. What is worth a dollar to you means much more to her in a country where the minimum monthly wage is a few hundred bucks per month.
Regards. B.B
Jamaicanceo
04-15-10, 22:32
If this women has the right kind of friends, then you might find yourself in serious legal trouble. As the Brazilians say "My friends for me, the Law for my enemies".
You are right and She is right.This is why you will lose because local customs will prevail. Any amount of "gringo logic" will get you nowhere.
You are not fighting for then same stakes either. What is worth a dollar to youmeans much more to her in a country where the minimum monthly wage is a few hundred bucks per months.
Regards. B.BIt seems to me that many Brazilians think short-term in business. I wouldn't deal with them again if I were you. My last apartment situation was a disaster, even though I always use the same guy.
I missed my flight and arrived a day late. I would've paid for the apt the day I was suppose to arrive, even if I wee not there. Instead the lady rented to someone else, causing me to stay in an apt I didn't like. Then I had to move. The second place was smaller and worse than the 2nd. So I moved into the Rio Rioss hotel around the corner from Blame it On Rio. THe apt guy said many Americans do not show when they are suppose to, so the lady thought i would do the same. Now I will find another apt person, because this guy doesn't understand that you treat reliable clients like gold. So I say give her her crumbs and move on.
Crusader560
04-16-10, 01:32
I still say, what did you sign on your contract. It sounds to me like you are not sure what you signed, a very dangerous thing. And i understand what the others are saying. But i believe, i would go by the terms of my contract. Then, add any extra days.
PS. My attorney if you need him is an the Us brazilian embassey list.
Member #3439
04-16-10, 05:11
I think these instructions MUST be part of your guide, embedded into it.
It is worse, they casa most likely will be closed upon complaints by the neighbors.
Good behavior is a MUST in these downtown executive buildings. Also recommended decent dress, your feet and legs preferably should be covered.
Better yet. I feel like there should be 2 threads, one for Copa/Zona Sul and one for Centro/Zona Norte, with the Centro/Norte one as senior-only if Jackson can do it. Does anyone else agree with this? No good can result from casual tourists hanging around in these areas, either to them or us.
Maybe if they have to be dedicated enough to pay the subscription fee and hit their post requirement before reaching the info, then in the process they will gain the tact needed to monger outside Copa without screwing it up or getting hurt.
Better yet. I feel like there should be 2 threads, one for Copa/Zona Sul and one for Centro/Zona Norte, with the Centro/Norte one as senior-only if Jackson can do it. Does anyone else agree with this? No good can result from casual tourists hanging around in these areas, either to them or us.
Maybe if they have to be dedicated enough to pay the subscription fee and hit their post requirement before reaching the info, then in the process they will gain the tact needed to monger outside Copa without screwing it up or getting hurt.
To an extent. They are clearly separate monger areas. But it could get over-specific. Do you have a separate thread for Barra, or Niteroi, for instance? And a lot of people will stay in Ipa instead of Copa. So the thread titles need to be self-explanatory. (And it's not as if the thread list isn't quite crowded already.) My opinion is it would maybe work, but could do with more thought.
I'm maybe less keen on the senior member only idea. Being a senior member, afaiaa, just means you've hit the 'add report' button a certain number of times. It's no guarantee of anything else, such as familiarity with the area (you could be a Sydney veteran and a Rio newbie), good manners or streetwise sense. And 4x4, for instance, is going to be pretty open to all-comers anyway. If someone is likely to get themselves into trouble at a venue, I'll either try to make the situation clear or I'd consider just passing on info by PM, as people have done for me occasionally elsewhere.
The only added level of security I would really like is maybe something like they have on the Argentina board, where you can (I understand) post face photos and stuff that is very private but with the added security and a come-back on the poster. But BsAs is a very different world. I did suggest it to Jackson but in all honesty it might not work here.
Brazil Specialist - much as I respect the point you make, I have to take issue with telling someone what they must do when it comes to their substantial contributions. People do these things cos they want. And often it's a technical achievement just getting it all to fit on a handy printout page. You can always add such thoughts yourself, as you have done, or when providing a link for someone to access the post. Better still, do an extra, original guide. As the OP said, hardly anyone else is posting new venues anyway, so why should he bother.
I think these instructions MUST be part of your guide, embedded into it.
Brazil Specialist - much as I respect the point you make, I have to take issue with telling someone what they must do when it comes to their substantial contributions. People do these things cos they want. And often it's a technical achievement just getting it all to fit on a handy printout page. You can always add such thoughts yourself, as you have done, or when providing a link for someone to access the post. Better still, do an extra, original guide. As the OP said, hardly anyone else is posting new venues anyway, so why should he bother.
Peace and love...
I think BS just wanted to give a good advice to me. He just doesn't want his mongerplaces ruined by gringos who behave like horny teenager.
I do have to admit that I was in very much doubt about doing this guide again. Mostly because my fellow contributors of Centro information can be counted on one hand. Christopherd is one of those. There used to be several more contributors, but they are gone or prefer to exchange info by PM.
Most of the gringos that I meet in Brazil are very similar to me when it comes to mongering. I do my guide and I write my posts thinking about these guys and the guys on the forum who makes contributions that I appreciate. I just try to forget that the mongers who have no clue about how to behave, and make me ashame of being a gringo, also takes part of this info.
I have several fellow monger friends, with up to 20 years of experience in Brazil, who knows about wh*re-houses all over in Brazil. Are they contributing members here? No. Why? Because they don't see no reason to contribute when nobody else seems to give a f*ck about sharing new valuable info.
One thing surprised me when I went for one of my mongering days in Centro, one month ago, updating my list. I ran into two local guys on 4 occasions in 1 hours time, in the Rio Branco buildings. We met at the same casas over and over again. It turned out that they had my list printed out. When they saw that I had the same list they fell on the floor laughing. They appreciated when I adviced them about some casas that would be suitable for them.
Carlos Primeros
04-17-10, 01:02
Hi Sperto,
sorry for not posting on the Rio Board - I really enjoy and USE your reports on Centro Casas!!!!!! VM is not my thing but Centro is where I usually go.
There are a lot of guys that use your reports but remain silent.
I would like to thank you for your detailed reports.
You know - there is a saying: once you fucked the same woman I fucked we are kind of relatives........ aren´t we??????
Bye-bye brother
Carlos Primeros
Pipe Layer99
04-17-10, 08:15
It can be difficult dealing with people who are unwilling to even try to see your point of view. Thats why you need a lease/rental agreement. It always comes down to money - and how much they can get from you.
The BS sucks doesn't it.
Better to have a lease clearly spelled out with exact dates and price.
That is why this is so difficult, we are both Adamant that we are correct. I think its a situation where cultures clash. I shake my head at her thinking "how can she not undertand that I am right" and she looks at me thinking the same thing!!
To answer your question, I was under the impression I rented for the MONTH of March!! Not a 30 day period, but the MONTH of March! I guess me arriving on the 28th negated the month thing and made it a 30 day contract (in her mind).
I told her,"If i arrived on the first of Mrach, I could leave on the 1st of April and it would have been no problem?" she said "yes". So i said "because I arrived ONE day early, now I have to pay 4 days extra?!!! (28 of fev, 29-31 of march). I asked her "how does that make sense to you? I arrive one day early and now I have to pay an extra 4 day's rental!!" All she could say was "Thats how it is in Brasil".
I have to go see her on saturday, I hope we can settle this in a way where it doesnt cost me any extra money. We are not arguing or fighting over the money, its just a difference of opinion because we cant seem to reach a middle ground.
It can be difficult dealing with people who are unwilling to even try to see your point of view. Thats why you need a lease/rental agreement. It always comes down to money - and how much they can get from you.
The BS sucks doesn't it.
Better to have a lease clearly spelled out with exact dates and price.
Bravo,
After reading your original post, you said, " we signed a contract for the month of March". If it is stated in the contract then you only owe for one day, the 28th, if anything at all.
Sunset Strip
04-17-10, 13:06
i office ave. rio branco building next to carioca station. i pick a floor to do some mongering. when i get to my selected floor i run into 9 gringoes from copacabana. they are all wearing tourist uniforms and back packets like navy seals on a mission to find the termas atmosphere. they complained that they went to a suite and were told to come back in a hour. literally they were turned away. of course they were turned away for approaching a suite like they were enter 4 x 4 or somewhere. after i followed them to the 1st floor, i doubled back to the suite where they were turned around and entered it with a problem, and i had a nice session. a completa costed r150 a hour or so with a credit card.
this location should be handled discreetly. like most large office building there are cameras. on the first floor near the elevators i observed a camera room, where the door window had dark tint but you could see the manned monitors. so the word to the wise, do not approach an office suite as if you are entering a terma. don't be loud and go with no more than two people. or if you can go by yourself. my last visit to the office building i travelled by myself. i was schooled the day before by isg member aceva.
not aimed at you j-ceo.
just to be fair, i would add that, yes, some tourists make mistakes, but how about the social failings of brazilians!
a gringos who dresses well and wants to just chill out and have a few beers before finding a decent-looking and clean girl has to deal with women pulling on his clothes, beer spilled on his shoes, etc., at most centro casas.
laser 205 smells like [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113)! pure [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113)! and then these girls have the audacity to stretch my golf shirt trying to get me to stay. all were butt ugly!
ba 85's first floor charges r4 for a beer! r25 for 20 minutes is the norm in ba 85 now. is it worth it? for a few yes, but most girls there are lack luster performers. and it is too hot in most of these centro cases anyway! there was a bloody tampon in the 4th floor bathroom of ba 85 recently. yuck!
urg 24 has a cute blond on the 1st floor, but that is about it. and beers are r4 on all floors there, i think.
i mean who likes to sit there in the centro casas and watch these girls wolf down food and then turn around and get in your face after they are done.
that little blond in urg 24 wolfs down cheetos everyday then tries to kiss people as they walk in.
in the us we would call that ghetoo!!!!!!
and you all know i could go on and on about brazilians acting "ghetto" but if i did then people would get offended, say i am racist, xenophobic, etc. then why is it ok to refer to, or imply that some gringos are stupid, just for not having been informed of a dress code?
in the end, yes, there are "dumb' gringos but that is only because they have not been informed. remember they are tourists. but brazilians act pretty silly at times. i think people, for a variety of reasons, just expect more of gringos than they do of brazilians, and others.
so if some gringos are "dumb" what do we call brazilians who are at home and should know better?
tj
just to be fair, i would add that, yes, some tourists make mistakes, but how about the social failings of brazilians!
a gringos who dresses well and wants to just chill out and have a few beers before finding a decent-looking and clean girl has to deal with women pulling on his clothes, beer spilled on his shoes, etc., at most centro casas.
laser 205 smells like [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113)! pure [CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113)! and then these girls have the audacity to stretch my golf shirt trying to get me to stay. all were butt ugly!
ba 85's first floor charges r4 for a beer! r25 for 20 minutes is the norm in ba 85 now. is it worth it? for a few yes, but most girls there are lack luster performers. and it is too hot in most of these centro cases anyway! there was a bloody tampon in the 4th floor bathroom of ba 85 recently. yuck!....
there is a big difference between a casa that charges r$ 20 and a casa that charges r$ 70. difference in service, comfort, hygiene etc. to the rio branco casas you go to get a session, not to party or drink. in the rb casas the girls smells like roses and treat you like a prince. if you happens to meet other clients there, they will be pretty welldressed and with good manners. people who don't behave or act like slobs will not be welcome there, no matter if it's a brazilian or a gringo.
in the r$ 1 casas just about all kinds of people are welcome, including low-lifes, slobs and silly brazilians/gringos. these r$ 1 casas might be very simple, noisy, hot, dirty and without shower possibilities. no need to complain, you're getting laid at the price of a meal at a decent comida a quilo restaurant. considering that many of these girls might have a dozen of dicks in their vaginas every day, in sessions that gives them 10 reais, i think they perform pretty well.
regarding the beer price, i think it's fair that they charge r$ 4/beer, because a lot of guys just go there to have a beer, grab asses and don't buy any sessions.
Jamaicanceo
04-17-10, 19:15
Not aimed at you J-CEO.
Just to be fair, I would add that, yes, some tourists make mistakes, but how about the social failings of Brazilians!
A Gringos who dresses well and wants to just chill out and have a few beers before finding a decent-looking and clean girl has to deal with women pulling on his clothes, beer spilled on his shoes, etc., at most centro casas.
TJNo problem TJ! When I ran into the 9 gringoes at RB, I tried to tell them why the girls told them to literally, "go away and come back in a hour" twice. When aceva took me the day before I observed the girls being careful to not allow clients to see each other. It's a discreet situation. I also learned some evasive behavioral moves by aceva, to not let the general public on floors to not know where we were going, and it was just two of us.
But when I told the horny 9 mongering commandos that they were too obvious and behaved like they were walking into 4x4 or other top level termas which was inappropriate, they looked at me funny. I've seen most of them before in Copa and termas on previous trips. So I think it's best to add etiquette to the casa list.
Maybe poor gringo etiquette caused the previous raids. I believe most people know that there is casa activity in the building, and see a loud large group of verifies it to the Brazilians who work in the building. And yes, the building has plain clothes and uniformed security guards, and I am sure a few may be moon-lighting police officers.
But on my recent trip, March - April 2010, I didn't visit one termas. And I didn't miss them. So let's educate mongers about etiquette if we are going to inform on the RB casas. The 9 guys wanted my list of RB casa to be emailed to them. I am not emailing them anything. And my Los Angeles Brazilian traveling buddies are not going to get the list, for I'm sure they will send the wrong mongers to the RB casas.
I resolved the situation. In the end, I only ended up paying for the 28th, not he 29-31st of march. She did screw me out of one more day, but I was willing to be fucked just to keep the peace with her mom.
She ended up charging me for April 1st, even though I left the aprtment by 11AM. I didnt fuss and fight I just told her "Even though I have a real problem with paying for my last day, I will do it THIS time, in the future, I will not be paying for the day I leave the apartment. I have been coming to brasil for over 13 years and I have never paid for the last day of my trip, if you cant rent to me in the future because of this, I understand!"
It was only an extra 50 bucks, but still, it irked the shit out of me to pay that additional money. I let it slide just so I can have a future reference n case of an emergency.
If anyone is here would be nice to meet up. Grab something to drink and do some mongering let me know.
Take care,
Mimzy
I will be going to Brazil in August. Does anyone think there will be something open to replace Help by then. I know there is balcony, but the talent there was always bad. Maybe it's better since Help closed. Have you heard of a larger venue opening in the near future. There is just too much money to make to not open another Help somewhere.
Brazil Specialist
04-19-10, 12:36
OK, but making a soft-core adult movie is a long way from being a GDP.
I probably already said too much, as nobody will be willing to testify against these powerful people that yes, they did a program with them and paid 200 dollars for it, 15 years ago. The witnesses have absolutely nothing to win, and they have a lot to lose.
So I could not prove my point in court. So I can only support the statement that I heard gossip from relevant sources (Brazilian mongers, madams, sites etc) regarding the activities of such women, but am in absolutely no position to confirm or deny the veracity of such statements.
You will find more about this doing relevant searches on google, as I just did.
Also this is of no importance for your entertainment on your Brazil visit. Enjoy whoever is available today for affordable prices. You would not be interested in doing any famous woman for US$ 5000 anyway, so all this is moot. I should not have started these comments.
Brazil Specialist
04-19-10, 12:37
If anyone is here would be nice to meet up. Grab something to drink and do some mongering let me know.
Mimzy
PM me and call me. Make sure you give an email or contact phone ......
Greg Williams
04-19-10, 20:04
Mimzy,
I will be there next week if anyone wants to meet up.
Brazil Specialist
04-19-10, 22:17
I think BS just wanted to give a good advice to me. He just doesn't want his mongerplaces ruined by gringos who behave like horny teenager.
Right. The Rio Branco Casas do not even publish their address. No law office wants their customers to see that they are next door to a wh*re house.
This unwanted attention will get the casas CLOSED.
Now pack of rowdy loud mongers roaming through an executive law and doctor's office building, a desaster. Might get ALL casas closed at once!
I do have to admit that I was in very much doubt about doing this guide again. Mostly because my fellow contributors of Centro information can be counted on one hand. Christopherd is one of those. There used to be several more contributors, but they are gone or prefer to exchange info by PM.[...]I have several fellow monger friends, with up to 20 years of experience in Brazil, who knows about wh*re-houses all over in Brazil. Are they contributing members here? No. Why? Because they don't see no reason to contribute when nobody else seems to give a f*ck about sharing new valuable info.Hey, I have 30 years of experience in Brazil. Would like to meet you, sperto, and some of your friends. Can you stop over in Copa some time?
I am reducing my contributions for various reasons. One is flaming and other aggressions. Mainly at another board, years ago. Another is that, due to the problematic legal situation of mongering, publication means government attention, and even house closures. Or too many noisy gringos.
Mimzy,
I will be there next week if anyone wants to meet up.
Sounds great let me know when your all set and settled in greg.
Mimzy
Sunset Strip
04-20-10, 01:59
Right. The Rio Branco Casas do not even publish their address. No law office wants their customers to see that they are next door to a wh*re house.
This unwanted attention will get the casas CLOSED.
Now pack of rowdy loud mongers roaming through an executive law and doctor's office building, a desaster. Might get ALL casas closed at once!
Hey, I have 30 years of experience in Brazil. Would like to meet you, sperto, and some of your friends. Can you stop over in Copa some time?
I am reducing my contributions for various reasons. One is flaming and other aggressions. Mainly at another board, years ago. Another is that, due to the problematic legal situation of mongering, publication means government attention, and even house closures. Or too many noisy gringos.
Good Point, BS. The casas NOT publishing their addresses had NOTHING to do with gringos, at all. So obviously the Brazilians felt the need to patrol access to those casas from OTHER BRAZILIANS.
TJ
Jamaicanceo
04-20-10, 16:28
Good Point, BS. The casas NOT publishing their addresses had NOTHING to do with gringos, at all. So obviously the Brazilians felt the need to patrol access to those casas from OTHER BRAZILIANS.
TJSo we agree not to publish the casa addresses anymore and move on from this subject and the flaming.
So we agree not to publish the casa addresses anymore and move on from this subject and the flaming.
Not publishing the casa addresses anymore? So much for exchanging information on the forum.
Maybe Jackson can do the favor and delete my latest Centro Casas report?
Jamaicanceo
04-21-10, 17:19
Not publishing the casa addresses anymore? So much for exchanging information on the forum.
Maybe Jackson can do the favor and delete my latest Centro Casas report?
The forum is for exchanging info, but the RB casas should have a different standard than termas as far who gets the addresses. Do we want the casas to close for some 5-9 idiots ringing suite doorbells, causing problems for the girls. What about your sailors on leave? Like they did at the termas, 10 will show up and 2 will have money to pay to play. Are the other 8 going to loiter around until the 2 finish their sessions. The RB casa addresses should be more sacred so such a scene does not force casas to go out of business.
Member #3439
04-22-10, 02:34
The forum is for exchanging info, but the RB casas should have a different standard than termas as far who gets the addresses. Do we want the casas to close for some 5-9 idiots ringing suite doorbells, causing problems for the girls. What about your sailors on leave? Like they did at the termas, 10 will show up and 2 will have money to pay to play. Are the other 8 going to loiter around until the 2 finish their sessions. The RB casa addresses should be more sacred so such a scene does not force casas to go out of business.
I think we are creating so much traffic on the casa keyword that none but the dedicated will be able to find the places in the muck. :)
There is a problem with this on the other side of the ISG globe in Japan. A single unruly gaijin (gringo) can cause a place to reject foreigners without exception. Due to this, much of the info exchange on good places happens in PM between Seniors. People who RTFF know the thread 'sperts to contact and the thread 'sperts provide them by PM only.
I suspect that, like Japan, these places don't *need* foreign mongers and there is a possibility that they could close to gringos all together. A garota in in Flav Mass made much ado about my white skin last year, looking and feeling my arm and chest skin before she started to get her clothes off, so I gather they don't get that much foreign business. She wasn't trying to kiss my ass, rather seemed genuinely entertained by my whiteness. Gave me GFE with offering of BBAF too!
I second Sperto's comments below. First time I climbed into BA85, the Brasilados passing me on the ladder were so smelly and skanky, I was reluctant to fuck anything they may have been fucking. But it's still a good deal! :) Same for U24 and Casaero. Aptos are a totally different crowd, or rather lack thereof. I prefer it, the simplicity keeps me focused on what I came there for.
So we agree not to publish the casa addresses anymore and move on from this subject and the flaming.
With all respect mate, who exactly is this 'we' that you speak of? Most people don't, simply because they don't know any. They talk about BA85 and so on ad infinitum, and maybe branch out to a Rio Branco casa once they figure the elevators, but wouldn't know a new casa if the pantie elastic was free in O Globo. Then there's casas in Copa, for instance (tourist central) that change address quite frequently, and where taking the tourist money could be called a hazard of the business they're in.
There are always people who will misuse information. I'm sure your post was well meant, but as I've said before, I'm very opposed to anyone telling anyone else what to do, or speaking on behalf of the tens of thousands ISG forum members. If anyone says 'we,' please count me out. No-one speaks on my behalf and, as far as ISG goes, from a practical as well as an official point of view, only Jackson makes rules. It's one thing to say you don't personally agree with certain information being made available. It's something entirely different IMHO to say others should agree with you or suggest they do.
Each poster makes his (or occasionally her) own decision on what information to post and how. I am very much looking forward to your extensive list by PM of hitherto unmentioned casas. ;)
Jamaicanceo
04-22-10, 04:00
With all respect mate, who exactly is this 'we' that you speak of? Most people don't, simply because they don't know any. They talk about BA85 and so on ad infinitum, and maybe branch out to a Rio Branco casa once they figure the elevators, but wouldn't know a new casa if the pantie elastic was free in O Globo. Then there's casas in Copa, for instance (tourist central) that change address quite frequently, and where taking the tourist money could be called a hazard of the business they're in.
There are always people who will misuse information. I'm sure your post was well meant, but as I've said before, I'm very opposed to anyone telling anyone else what to do, or speaking on behalf of the tens of thousands ISG forum members. If anyone says 'we,' please count me out. No-one speaks on my behalf and, as far as ISG goes, from a practical as well as an official point of view, only Jackson makes rules. It's one thing to say you don't personally agree with certain information being made available. It's something entirely different IMHO to say others should agree with you or suggest they do.
Each poster makes his (or occasionally her) own decision on what information to post and how. I am very much looking forward to your extensive list by PM of hitherto unmentioned casas. ;)I did not mention rule making, only suggestions. Like you've never made a suggestion on ISG. Nothing personal intended.
The forum is for exchanging info, but the RB casas should have a different standard than termas as far who gets the addresses... The RB casa addresses should be more sacred so such a scene does not force casas to go out of business.
I get your point, but I hope loud gringo-hords in RB-casas are rare. It's very few times that I've met other gringos when going to the Centro casas, exception is BA 85.
The RB-casas are aware of the need to run their business with caution. They never open the door without checking the spy-hole/take a look in their camera. If they don't like what they see they will not open.
The RB-buildings have cameras monitoring all floors, and security downstairs. That could be helpful if visitors don't behave well.
"So we agree not to publish the casa addresses anymore..." There are already so few members posting info on new casas. Creating that new rule would result in even less reports of new casas.
SlimHoleDrill
04-22-10, 13:56
I get your point, but I hope loud gringo-hords in RB-casas are rare. It's very few times that I've met other gringos when going to the Centro casas, exception is BA 85.
The RB-casas are aware of the need to run their business with caution. They never open the door without checking the spy-hole/take a look in their camera. If they don't like what they see they will not open.
The RB-buildings have cameras monitoring all floors, and security downstairs. That could be helpful if visitors don't behave well.
"So we agree not to publish the casa addresses anymore..." There are already so few members posting info on new casas. Creating that new rule would result in even less reports of new casas.
Except for BA85, the centro casas don't give the 'loud gringos' (or other loud, partying types) what they are looking for. They want a party atmosphere, bar where they can hang out, socialize, drink, BS with the girls, etc. The downtown places are about quick in and out, so to speak. And anyway, by the time the tourists get going for the day, it is getting late for the centro places. Haha. The facts speak for themselves. The info has been out there for a long time and there is no problem that I can see.
On the other hand, for those that are in centro and who enjoy this convenience, the updates are much appreciated. Otherwise, you have to walk around and hope some kid puts the right slip of paper in your hand because this is the only way to find them.
So, IMHO, thanks to Sperto and others and please continue. I would gladly add info but I have not found anything new. I did report once on one of the RB 156 casas being shut. Also, thought I had found a new one on Senador Dantas, but no, already on the list.
So, with all due respect, let's skip the elitist stuff. Eveyone will use this board to their benefit and if someone winds up in the wrong place for them, that will self correct. Either they will learn to fit in or they won't come back.
Just my point of view.
Sunset Strip
04-23-10, 03:08
i have not seen a loud gringo in a centro casa in over 2 weeks. there is no way that anybody should be trying to make it seem gringos are all over centro. most go to 4x4 and that is it.
in fact, few want to go to the centro, cheap casas anyway. also, most gringos who go to rio do not read this forum anyway, nor do those who do read it, do so religiously, so the chances of them reading the forum and noticing sperto's casa update is almost 0%.
most could care less anyway.
so those of you who want to keep your cheap casas to yourselves quit worrying about gringos.
when i am in the casas i notice that the brazilians are extremely loud and that is a fact.
i noticed two white guys, i think from germany based on their speech, and how they enjoyed the loud banter of the girls in the casa i was in. now how some gringos could come in there and be louder i do not know. my guess is that you all focus on gringos, stare at them and then you hear every word.
quit worrying about gringos and you will not see them. there are so few in rio now, it is really ridiculous to hear guys talking about how they are going to stop posting information so gringos can't get it. trust me i think some of you are exxagerating your importance to the rio sex scene!
and how do these guys rationalize their comments: "well, i will hide information so that loud gringos will not find out and then come to the casa and get it shut down by talking loud and dressing down because they do not know to dress up in a certain casa! "lol! lol!
these same guys would come on this forum and laugh at a gringo who gets dressed up and then gets robbed in centro. those few gringos who go to the rb casas are not poorly dressed but just not in the garb of the clients. we are still richer than most brazilians by far. no big deal.
worry about the brazilians breaking laws or not paying off the right people more than gringos people.
what about last year when they had all of those raids? why don't you all worry about that happening again rather than gringos?
actually, i know why!
tj
Sunset Strip
04-23-10, 03:25
back in 2004 or 2005 or so Brazil Specialist first posted a rundown on the centro casas. A few of us used the information but there was no deluge of gringos in centro.
To most gringos going to centro is just not worth it. The numbers are increasing but that is from 0%! LOL.
And this increase is because of the metro system not any information from this forum that most visitors to Rio will never read anyway.
Any guy willing to read this forum is probably not the type to go into a casa acting crazy. And there is not reason to suspect gringos are worse than the average Brazilian.
Here is the logic: Since there are few Gringos going to these casas then the rules to exclude people are aimed at BRAZILIANS NOT GRINGOS.
SOme members of this site are concerned about gringos but that is a misplaced concern caused by factors unrelated to the reality of the situation.
TJ
Sunset Strip
04-23-10, 03:33
So we agree not to publish the casa addresses anymore and move on from this subject and the flaming.
I am not flaming. There are just few gringos in centro casas. So our focus on the actions of a few of the few who might cause problems needs discussion. People can read these posts and begin to believe there are gringos all over centro getting in trouble and that is 100% incorrect. It is not flaming to try to make sure the correct perspective is found on this forum.
Even if evrery single other member posted about gringos being loud in centro, I would still post a correction.
AGain, I have not seen another gringo in a centro casa in two weeks and I am in them all day. And I know this is true because a girl just said I am always in here a few hours ago!
TJ
Brazil Specialist
04-23-10, 05:12
And how do these guys rationalize their comments: "Well, i will hide information so that loud gringos will not find out and then come to the casa and get it shut down by talking loud and dressing down because they do not know to dress up in a certain casa! "LOL! LOL!
These same guys would come on this forum and laugh at a gringo who gets dressed up and then gets robbed in centro. Those few gringos who go to the RB casas are not poorly dressed but just not in the garb of the clients. We are still richer than most Brazilians by far. No big deal.
Worry about the Brazilians breaking laws or not paying off the right people more than gringos people.
What about last year when they had all of those raids? Why don't you all worry about that happening again rather than gringos?
Actually, I know why!
TJ
There is one important fact you are not aware of:
The Rio Branco Buildings have tenants with clout: 20 businesses per floor, 20 floors, 400 serious businesses who must be paying a hefty rent. Plus maybe 10 casas.
One single instance of a small group of rowdy people can call enough attention for neighbors to gang up and complain, trying to get the casa closed. And all payoff is not worth much, if a law office starts filing official complaints against a casa, adding isg and, well, gpguia printouts as proof.
It seems most Brazilians have an idea of how to behave in these buildings, and for some reason the typical low end crowd of the cheap casas does not stop over at RB. Or if they do, they instinctively feel they have to dress decently and behave.
I am really surprised they can stay open in these buildings. They must be giving a huge discount to guys working in the building (which of course would irritate their spouses and secretaries and might make them file complaints with police).
There is one important fact you are not aware of:
The Rio Branco Buildings have tenants with clout: 20 businesses per floor, 20 floors, 400 serious businesses who must be paying a hefty rent. Plus maybe 10 casas.
One single instance of a small group of rowdy people can call enough attention for neighbors to gang up and complain, trying to get the casa closed. And all payoff is not worth much, if a law office starts filing official complaints against a casa, adding isg and, well, gpguia printouts as proof.
It seems most Brazilians have an idea of how to behave in these buildings, and for some reason the typical low end crowd of the cheap casas does not stop over at RB. Or if they do, they instinctively feel they have to dress decently and behave.
I am really surprised they can stay open in these buildings. They must be giving a huge discount to guys working in the building (which of course would irritate their spouses and secretaries and might make them file complaints with police).The lawyers are in their getting their rocks off too.
Thats why.
So those of you who want to keep your cheap casas to yourselves quit worrying about gringos.
TJ12 millions tourists a year in Paris, France.
4 millions "gringos" a year all over Brazil (including os hermanos argentinos)... I believe 50% of this number travel only for NYE and Carnival.
Rio is changing out of all recognition, as many punters have observed. The metro tickets for one thing. And the other big change, probably the only big change that I can say truly affects me, is that I can no longer really afford/justify those beautiful Mr Cat shoes. :D
4 millions "gringos" a year all over Brazil (including os hermanos argentinos)...
12 millions tourists a year in Paris, France
According to the World Tourism Organization (UNWTO) about 7.2 millions inbound tourists have visited Brasil in 2008, which is an average of almost 20 000 arrivals/day (about the equivalent of 55 Boeing 767 full packed).
Anyhow FYI, France is world's top tourist destination, with some 82 millions inbound tourists arrival in 2008, whose about 50 millions have visited Paris (and region).
SlimHoleDrill
04-23-10, 21:13
There is one important fact you are not aware of:
The Rio Branco Buildings have tenants with clout: 20 businesses per floor, 20 floors, 400 serious businesses who must be paying a hefty rent. Plus maybe 10 casas.
One single instance of a small group of rowdy people can call enough attention for neighbors to gang up and complain, trying to get the casa closed. And all payoff is not worth much, if a law office starts filing official complaints against a casa, adding isg and, well, gpguia printouts as proof.
It seems most Brazilians have an idea of how to behave in these buildings, and for some reason the typical low end crowd of the cheap casas does not stop over at RB. Or if they do, they instinctively feel they have to dress decently and behave.
I am really surprised they can stay open in these buildings. They must be giving a huge discount to guys working in the building (which of course would irritate their spouses and secretaries and might make them file complaints with police).
OK, guys, I'll volunteer to be hall monitor. Anybody who gets out of line at a centro casa will hear from me, at least if I'm there. Seriously, BS has a point. These places come and go anyway, to some extent. Probably sometimes it's because of neighbors complaints. So, it could happen that somebody who doesn't know the scene acts up (gringo or not). But I expect it would take some consistent bad behavior for this to result in a closure. Even so, probably the authorities wouldn't get involved -- probably the landlord would just kick them out. Even if this did happen, I don't expect it would cause a sweep of casa closures. That would make everybody very unhappy, cops included as I am sure that some of them are good customers.
I guess they would make an example of one place and that would be it. Back to business as usual. But as I said, those addresses have been out there for years and none of us have seen a problem.
Enough of that, how about what is going on? Wednesday, I decided to order in so I called karla models and was pleasantly surprised with Fernanda. Not quite as made up as in the photos, but truth in advertising. Only one complaint, the R120 gets significantly increased by the taxi which she insisted on. Still, very high quality and a at cost less than the upper tier termas. A relaxed 2 hours, no hassle. Not a bad way to spend a holiday Wednesday afternoon.
Sunset Strip
04-24-10, 04:19
Prosal,
Perhaps the increase in tourism will not be so bad. I beleive the increase will only occur in specific areas. There will still be untapped markets in Brazil. Do not give up yet!
When I go to Mexico after a few months in Brazil, I often do not session with any women; the contrast is that stark!
Perhaps you will find another suitable destination; I too remember the good old says when tickets from the US were $400, and the dollar was 4 to 1! Apartments could be had for US$35-40/night! We were doing 4 Copa girls a day!
I am thinking of trying Bahia.
TJ
Sunset Strip
04-24-10, 04:55
There is one important fact you are not aware of:
The Rio Branco Buildings have tenants with clout: 20 businesses per floor, 20 floors, 400 serious businesses who must be paying a hefty rent. Plus maybe 10 casas.
One single instance of a small group of rowdy people can call enough attention for neighbors to gang up and complain, trying to get the casa closed. And all payoff is not worth much, if a law office starts filing official complaints against a casa, adding isg and, well, gpguia printouts as proof.
It seems most Brazilians have an idea of how to behave in these buildings, and for some reason the typical low end crowd of the cheap casas does not stop over at RB. Or if they do, they instinctively feel they have to dress decently and behave.
I am really surprised they can stay open in these buildings. They must be giving a huge discount to guys working in the building (which of course would irritate their spouses and secretaries and might make them file complaints with police).
Two things here:
1. How do you know what I am not aware of? That is a rude comment.
2. And, it makes little sense to say that "it seems most Brazilians have an idea how to behave." Then whom are the casas worried about? The gringos who might materialize one day?
No, they are worried about Brazilians, not gringos. We all know that in Rio they cannot even keep the gangs from invading homes in Copacanabana. Yet, on this forum, people act as if a gringo, who is probably purposely dressing down, is the THREAT of a lifetime!
The casas are afraid of other Brazilians coming to the casa and causing trouble.
Only on this forum are people concerned about gringos.
TJ
... I am thinking of trying Bahia ...
TJ
Funny you should say that.
It seems that more often than not, when I meet a beautiful, sweet girl in Brasil, normally in Sao Paulo, she's says she from Bahia.
I've been thinking about a visit there myself :)
Funny you should say that.
It seems that more often than not, when I meet a beautiful, sweet girl in Brasil, normally in Sao Paulo, she's says she from Bahia.
I've been thinking about a visit there myself :)Same here. The best girl I had from my Rio trip was from Bahia.
Frenchieboy
04-24-10, 12:52
Hi guys
First of all sorry for my english
I am back from Rio, not really easy to come back in France because of the volcano so I have stayed 4 days more in Rio but is it a problem to stay more in Rio I don’t think so
I have rent an apartment with Rioapartment agency in Copa, apartment located about 150 meters from Av Atlantica and very close to the Meia Pataca cost for 75 sqm and 3 rooms about 90 euros/night, very serious agency for rental apartment
Just one thing I was in Rio with a friend ( a man)
First day I have called Starcris very easy to call them, Larissa and Gabriella was available. In 20 minutes they were in the apartment, me with Larissa good look, good sex, just ok but she spoke only portuguese and my friend with gabriella just ok prices 150 real for about 1h30
Second day contact with Divas RJ agency booked Flavia and Sylvia, Sylvia came in first and big surprise and she is really not the girl in the website, that was impossible to do anything with her so I gave her 30 real for taxi and bye bye, then Flavia came what a difference this is the girl in the website very very beautiful, sex perfect I recommand this girl strongly but only portuguese and 450 real for about 2 hours
The others days we were every time in Meia Pataca and we have met many girls like Laura, Arianna, Vanessa…. For about 200 real for 1 or 2 hours, that is too long to explain you every time with these girls but my advice go to Meia Pataca at about 8 or 9 pm then you have many Garotas every night (about 10 girl)s, drink a Caipirinha with one and discuss the price and go, as my apartment is 2 minutes by walk not problems.
That was so funny to see the face of the doorman of the building every night with a different girl !!!
I haven’t visited Termas because I don’t like sex in this kind of place(just tested Artemis in Berlin), and no visited Balcony because located about 1 km from my apartment and I think Meia Pataca is similar as Balcony
For tourist it is impossible to go to the Corcovado because the road is closed and maybe for long time and remember that the statue is under renovation difficult to see Jesus
If you have a little money take a tour on helicopter very amazing !!!
If you want girls Copa is better than Ipanema, but in Rio very few girls speak english if you speak spanish it will be better and of course portuguese
FB
Brazil Specialist
04-24-10, 14:03
Frenchieboy, I might sound a bit impolite, but I mean to give advice and point out where you could have done betters, so others can learn ........... So here we go
Just one thing I was in Rio with a friend ( a man)
First day I have called Starcris very easy to call them, Larissa and Gabriella was available. In 20 minutes they were in the apartment, me with Larissa good look, good sex, just ok but she spoke only portuguese and my friend with gabriella just ok prices 150 real for about 1h30
good for you
but you missed one important point
You could have switched girls with your friend at NO charge. or done an orgy, whatever you prefer. You could have done BOTH girls.
Most agencies allow switching, if m men get m girls. Karlamodels and Scortshow require m+1 girls, one girl more. so you two would need to order 3 girls to get unlimited switching of partners.
Second day contact with Divas RJ agency booked Flavia and Sylvia, Sylvia came in first and big surprise and she is really not the girl in the website, that was impossible to do anything with her so I gave her 30 real for taxi and bye bye, then Flavia came what a difference this is the girl in the website very very beautiful, sex perfect I recommand this girl strongly but only portuguese and 450 real for about 2 hours
Again, better knowledge helps. There are reputable agencies and a lot of trashy fraud agencies, and some in between.
The second girl, you don't know her name, and next time they will do another bait and switch, so probably another girl will come if someone asks for Flavia.
oh, and for 450 Reais, you can get beauty contest winners and models. But again, needs knowledge
It could even be that the agency really has some good girls. Quality girls don't want to put their photos out on the web. But they should not deceive you like this ..........
Stick to good agencies. www.karlamodels.net (equal to www.scortshow.net) is first choice. You get something similar to the photos, and the girls are hard working.
starcris.com and ciaplus.com are ok, have some wonderful girls (usually the new ones) and some hardened lazy girls (usually the long term employees).
The others days we were every time in Meia Pataca and we have met many girls like Laura, Arianna, Vanessa…. For about 200 real for 1 or 2 hours, that is too long to explain you every time with these girls but my advice go to Meia Pataca at about 8 or 9 pm then you have many Garotas every night (about 10 girl)s, drink a Caipirinha with one and discuss the price and go, as my apartment is 2 minutes by walk not problems.
at 10 pm you might be reasonably safe, but at 2 am a taxi is a MUST if you want to be safe
Even at 10 pm, if you go through dark side streets you might prefer to pay a taxi then to take risks. Depends if you are alert, look strong, and are street wise.
That was so funny to see the face of the doorman of the building every night with a different girl !!!
I hope you did not get a family oriented building where such visitors could be very unwelcome.
I haven’t visited Termas because I don’t like sex in this kind of place(just tested Artemis in Berlin), and no visited Balcony because located about 1 km from my apartment
you would have done much better, gotten many more and prettier girls. And you should take a taxi anyway, for safety.
I am cheap, but I don't save on safety.
and I think Meia Pataca is similar as Balcony
For tourist it is impossible to go to the Corcovado because the road is closed and maybe for long time and remember that the statue is under renovation difficult to see Jesus
If you have a little money take a tour on helicopter very amazing !!!
Correct.
Brazil Specialist
04-24-10, 14:07
I haven’t visited Termas because I don’t like sex in this kind of place(just tested Artemis in Berlin)
I personally don't like termas, but I think any tourist should give them a try. What don't you like about them?
You should have tried, risk to lose R$ 70 for admission if you really don't find a girl of your liking.
Hi guys,
First of all sorry for my english.
For tourist it is impossible to go to the Corcovado because the road is closed and maybe for long time and remember that the statue is under renovation difficult to see Jesus.
If you have a little money take a tour on helicopter very amazing!
If you want girls Copa is better than Ipanema, but in Rio very few girls speak english if you speak spanish it will be better and of course portuguese.
FBActually Corcovada opened back up couple of days ago. There was many muds slides that were cleared but from what I could tell the road itself did not have heavy damage. The resto work on the statue will still going on. You knew Rio wold make it a hight priorty to make the tourists happy by getting the road reopened asap.
Frenchieboy
04-24-10, 14:43
I personally don't like termas, but I think any tourist should give them a try. What don't you like about them?
You should have tried, risk to lose R$ 70 for admission if you really don't find a girl of your liking.
Thanks BS for your comment
I don't like terma or FKK (was in Artemis in Berlin last year)in Germany because for me I feel this places like only bussiness sex places : fuck, relax, fuck; relax....
My friend doesn't like orgy, one time we tried in Saigon and during the party with 2 girls he always laugh (maybe nervous reflex) so he had always disturbed me so we have decided not to do it again but with another friend in Poland for example no problem 2 mens and 2 girls , 2 men and 1 girl and me alone with 2 girls
Meia Pataca was very close to the apartment maybe 3 minutes by walk and we left at last 10 pm with a girl so no need taxi
In my apartment We never had any problem with girls, I have paid fot a stay and received who I wanted, the doorman was so funny He shown me on his mobile phone many Xvideo very very hard !!!
Now I think that it is better to meet girls in Bar or Pub than agency because you see the girl, talk and discuss prices, I would like to tell you that last week in Meia Pataca they weren't a lot men so most of the girls were free and were very friendly with us, sometimes difficult to choose....
Sunset Strip
04-24-10, 16:42
Funny you should say that.
It seems that more often than not, when I meet a beautiful, sweet girl in Brasil, normally in Sao Paulo, she's says she from Bahia.
I've been thinking about a visit there myself :)
Ahh, now that provides some hope.
And Bahia is a beautiful area with lots of cultural sites.
I think more of us should try to go there, especially since Rio may become too crazy with the Olympics, etc.
TJ
To anyone that uses Karla Models or Scort Show:
It looks like there are about 25 girls on the page. Are there alot more working at the company and they don't show them all or that pretty much it. Do the girls actually look like the picture and is the age pretty accurate.
Wednesday, I decided to order in so I called karla models and was pleasantly surprised with Fernanda. Not quite as made up as in the photos, but truth in advertising. Only one complaint, the R120 gets significantly increased by the taxi which she insisted on.How much did she insist on for taxi? It has been a while but I always gave 20 for taxi from Copacabana.
Just get to know the standard published taxi fares (as well as bus fares and moto-taxi fares). Agency or pick-up, ask her early on in conversation where she lives. If she tries it on, point out the correct fare: or give her the exact change for her bus. (I've even asked her exact address so I can tell her which stop she should get off. ;)) If she lives somewhere like Caixas (usually pronounced 'far far away' lol), there's no way she rides taxis out there so don't pretend to let her start now. At most, she'll take a 10R moto-taxi part of the way and a bus the rest, so not more than 15. Most agency girls live within reach of standard buses or stay with friends who do. Same for Copa girls. VM girls often live further out. The agency may be willing to agree the taxi fare before sending her out. Make sure it's a total. If you book a duplo they may want individual ones. If she lives in Botafogo, I don't see why I should pay a taxi. But I won't pay for a taxi to Praca Bandeira if she's advertised as Copa.
SlimHoleDrill
04-25-10, 01:28
How much did she insist on for taxi? It has been a while but I always gave 20 for taxi from Copacabana.
I think she was coming from Barra (to Ipamena) and showed me a receipt for R31. That sounds right from my experience. So, 2X30 = R60 mais. Honestly, I didn't have a problem with that. She was worth it.
I looked again on their site and it looks like the selection is a little better from Barra -- just my opinion. But cab fares would be less from Flamengo.
Bottom line: 120 + 60 = 180 for two hours. Better than you would get hanging around at Balcony (or formerly, Help). And you don't even leave the comfort of home.
Brazil Specialist
04-25-10, 03:13
How much did she insist on for taxi? It has been a while but I always gave 20 for taxi from Copacabana.
taxi fares go up constantly
From the Help area/posto 5 in Copacabana, a one way ride to scortshow is 15-25 Reais, so 35 usually is enough, but during "bandeira 2" and/or traffic jams it can be more.
To karlamodels, a one way ride is 25-35, so that is 45-60 Reais.
If any money is missing, the girl has to pay from her own money. Her meager pay she usually gets on the end of the month. So really, I don't try to stiff her out of a few Reais, i.e. paying 60 if the receipt is for 31. The return trip might cost more. So I would give at least 65.
Of course, the next customer might be in Copacabana and she makes a profit. But you can not count on this.
ChristopherD, if you can find me an agency girl that takes a bus, let me know. I have never seen this in my life. I have seen them walking, but never ever was I suggested that she would take a metro. This is not how things work here. The girls take a bus from home to the agency, but not to customers.
If you don't like that, you can take a bus to karlamodels and then rent a motel.
Actually, a good option for a tourist would be to rent a room at Hotel Barão de Flamengo as his main residence. Girls from scort show and other agencies come there for free. Just fuck 3 scortshow girls a day. I forgot what the other agency nearby is .....
http://jupanteras.com/index2.htm
these seem around the corner
There are 1-2 more agencies around, forgot which ones. But scortshow alone is good for a lot of programs ......
You also are close to a metro station to downtown or to Copacabana.
Just get to know the standard published taxi fares (as well as bus fares and moto-taxi fares). Agency or pick-up, ask her early on in conversation where she lives. If she tries it on, point out the correct fare: or give her the exact change for her bus. (I've even asked her exact address so I can tell her which stop she should get off. ;)) If she lives somewhere like Caixas (usually pronounced 'far far away' lol), there's no way she rides taxis out there so don't pretend to let her start now. At most, she'll take a 10R moto-taxi part of the way and a bus the rest, so not more than 15. Most agency girls live within reach of standard buses or stay with friends who do. Same for Copa girls. VM girls often live further out. The agency may be willing to agree the taxi fare before sending her out. Make sure it's a total. If you book a duplo they may want individual ones. If she lives in Botafogo, I don't see why I should pay a taxi. But I won't pay for a taxi to Praca Bandeira if she's advertised as Copa.You've evidently put in a lot of time at the bottom end of the market. One of the first things a girl does moving up the hooker ladder is to not get on any more busses if there's any way she can avoid it.
Frenchieboy
04-25-10, 09:49
I'm in the US and was able to access GPguia without a proxy connection.
Looks like they made an upgrade.
Reading Frenchieboys post about DivasRJ made me curious and I checked out their website. Lots of photo shopped beauties there. There are 3 total posts at Gpguia about DivasRJ: A negative posts about Raquel Lisboa and Grazi Passarela. Our GP brethren complained about the High rate: $R400 and $R450, respectively, for 2 hours, and the bait and switch. Proof that even Brazilian mongers get taken too.
www.divasrj.com
I have sent many emails before my trips and just I had answers only with Divasrj and ayanneriomodels that why I have choosen Divasrj but no problem if like you don't like the girl from the agency give her 30 real for taxi and byeybye then choose another girls in Meia Pataca
Oh good, you still here Frenchie,
For the benefit of our fellow mongers, is this the Flavia you recommended from divasRJ?:
http://www.divasrj.com/acompanhantes-rio-de-janeiro.php?uid=006
Very Nice, BTW.
Kudos to you for trying out these escort sites.
http://www.starcris.com/
http://www.ayanneriomodels.com/
Do you remember what they charged you? Both sites do not show a rate.
With the demise of Help and the current situation at Balcony, these types of reports are most Helpful to the monger in Rio NOW. :D
Frenchieboy
04-25-10, 19:01
Oh good, you still here Frenchie,
For the benefit of our fellow mongers, is this the Flavia you recommended from divasRJ?:
http://www.divasrj.com/acompanhantes-rio-de-janeiro.php?uid=006
Very Nice, BTW.
Kudos to you for trying out these escort sites.
http://www.starcris.com/
http://www.ayanneriomodels.com/
Do you remember what they charged you? Both sites do not show a rate.
With the demise of Help and the current situation at Balcony, these types of reports are most Helpful to the monger in Rio NOW. :D
Yes she was the Flavia I met twice last week but be careful I hope that the agency will not send you another Garotas if the Flavia I met is not available
Starcris it was 150 reals for about 1h 1/2 (Larissa for me and Gabriella for my friend )and ayanneriomodels I had not time to book a girl (I was fully booked every night.....), in Meia Pataca Bar girls cost about 200 /250 reals
With the demise of Help and the current situation at Balcony, these types of reports are most Helpful to the monger in Rio NOW. :D
True. Though I think of Rio escorts a bit like I feel about pre-packaged food: you can never be 100% sure of what you're getting. Then by the time you do, it's too late. :rolleyes:
Mostly I prefer the open-air chase (ie in Copa, not paying more than 150 for reasonably prime offerings, which I admit can take a nominal amount of effort).
I like to see them running around free-range in their chosen shitty environment between the hoochie bars. And run around and get mucky with them.
But agencies are nice when you can't be bothered cooking. Or it's raining (or it's mid-afternoon and can't be bothered going to VM). Pick up the phone (or get the concierge to do it for you). "I'll have a number 49 and a number 53 please."
I suppose photos are a clue but the rep of the agency for not sending a pure ugly is maybe better. Especially as I can't see her first. I really like to be able to see a girl in a bikini or less and close up (VM or Uru24 are ideal for this) - that way I can see whether she is toned, has stretch marks, flabby thighs or a thousand other photoshoppable characteristics.
Even then I make mistakes occasionally. I take two cuties back from VM with a friend. An hour or so in, he's at my door, asking if we can swap. The one he had was prettier so being a gentleman I agree. But her performance was lousy and her c*nt was like a bucket.
A duplo I had from Karlas did the handbook routine of showing me the agency photos of all the girls. I said, very nice, aren't you in the folder? They show me the photos of themselves I hadn't spotted and I look back and forth at them to find a few areas of similarity. ;)
As far as reports on individual escorts go, I'd find these mostly useful if grouped by agency. Individual girls change or their performance varies with the monger, but general reports on how much (girl + taxi), day of the week and time, how long it took her to arrive, whether a chosen selection was available, where you'd put her on a scale of 1-10, and whether you were generally satisfies with the value for money.
Just as I try (I hope) to make VM or such places easier for the occasional visitor by contributing when I can with up-to-date, concise, quantifiable data afaic (since I spend a large proportion of any time I have in Rio at VM), it's helpful to have fingertip details on RJ agency experience fort less frequent escort bookers. (Even better if they can be in the Escorts threads ;))
Dive Monger
04-28-10, 16:17
I am getting ready for my first trip to Rio in just over a week. I've read Bubble Boy's excellent guide, and reviewed about 50 pages of this thread (268 pages just since January! OMFG) and feel like I have some of the basics. My mongering has been nearly all Asia. Thailand, Phils, Cambo, China. Not quite sure what to expect in Rio, but certain it will be different.
I am in a bit of sticker-shock. I am something of a Cheap Charlie in that I am of modest means. Going for a business trip. This is not a holiday for me, so not on holiday funding. But I would like to have a bit of fun in between the work commitments. All my vacations in the last 10 years have been in Asia, where I am quite comfortable. Speaking some mandarin helps. But I know like two words of Portuguese (one of which is cerveja). I see a few of the guys here are based in Rio. We can maybe setup something by PM. I'll bring my travel cellphone with me so I can get a SIM card once there, then I'll have a phone number at least.
I had been looking forward to Help disco, but now that it is a hole in the ground that is out the window. The termas sound great. But not cheap. I know I can't compare to $35USD TLN from Angeles, but more than five times that makes me stop and think.
Anyway. Any additional pointers or clues will be most welcome. Thanks so much for the maps, Sperto! I'll post a trip report detailing my experiences (good and bad). I will be based down in Barra de Tijuca, so getting to Centro will not be a walking-from-the-hotel thing.
Full Throttle
04-28-10, 20:04
First, welcome to Rio!
My recommendation for you visit:
1. Suck it up and spend the money on a terma at least one time. It is as unique to Brazil as the "shower" is to Asia. Since you will only do it once, I would recommend going to L'uomos. I rarely go there, but, for a one-time experience, I just think it's the best option. Experienced, fun garotas, single-level entertaiment, reasonably-good food, and a festive atmosphere in the bar area. My suggestion would be to arrive around 7:30, look around, relax, eat, have a few drinks, watch the scene develop, and get serious about a choice around 9:00. Then, go back into the bar area and enjoy the dancing and party. This experience was near-perfect at the $60-80 it used to cost a few short years ago (okay, 6 years ago), but it remains the quintessential Rio experience.
2. If you enjoy it but don't want to spend the same money again, go to 4X4 or Cancum downtown. Go around lunch time to Centro, have a nice lunch at Spagettilandia, or at the outdoor restaurant above the Cinelandia Metro Station. Then, head to Cancum or 4X4 around 4:00. Do your best to choose a girl before 5pm, thereby saving the entrance. If nobody strikes your fancy by then, at least the cover is only $30R. All-in is $190 plus 30R or $220 + 30R. I know 220R was either the before entrada or after entrada price.
3. Go to the nicest of the Massage houses in Centro. They cost around 100R for an hour. 3320 in the Rio Branco 156 building, or the one on the 5th floor across the street in the 185 building.
4. Hang out in front of Balcony some of the evenings. It is still a fun scene, although a low-rent event compared to Help.
5. Enjoy the LAPA scene on a Thu.-Sat. night. Legit, but really fun.
Have fun!
Dive Monger
04-28-10, 22:38
Thanks for the response, FT!
I will almost definitely do a terma once just because. Well. It is a must. Besides that, I'll try to make my funds go as far as possible, but without actually having to boink shin-deep in shit, LOL. Luckily for the wallet, I no longer drink heavily (had to give up on the heavy tequila nights, kept waking up stark naked under my truck with the keys in my ass). I have always liked massage places in Asia that do FS (soapies, anyone?) so am definitely interested in the massage option.
I suspect the hotel I am staying in for business in not girl friendly, and regardless I always have some concerns about security of my stuff in the room, as well as issues that occasionally arise when a disagreement over payment occurs and the garota is in your main pad. Can get ugly.
I am not great at the pickup scene anywhere in the world (happens when you get old, fat, and impatient, and even my mother never considered me anything other than ugly) so just sitting and watching the Balcony scene is just fine. I know I'll enjoy the food in Brazil (Bahia-type food is one of my favorites, but alternatively heaps of grilled animal flesh is also greatly enjoyed, LOL)
I'm compiling my lists. And trying to memorize some key Porto phrases. Thanks again to everyone who has contributed all the great information on this forum.
First, welcome to Rio!
My recommendation for you visit:
1. Suck it up and spend the money on a terma at least one time. It is as unique to Brazil as the "shower" is to Asia. Since you will only do it once, I would recommend going to L'uomos. I rarely go there, but, for a one-time experience, I just think it's the best option. Experienced, fun garotas, single-level entertaiment, reasonably-good food, and a festive atmosphere in the bar area. My suggestion would be to arrive around 7:30, look around, relax, eat, have a few drinks, watch the scene develop, and get serious about a choice around 9:00. Then, go back into the bar area and enjoy the dancing and party. This experience was near-perfect at the $60-80 it used to cost a few short years ago (okay, 6 years ago), but it remains the quintessential Rio experience.
2. If you enjoy it but don't want to spend the same money again, go to 4X4 or Cancum downtown. Go around lunch time to Centro, have a nice lunch at Spagettilandia, or at the outdoor restaurant above the Cinelandia Metro Station. Then, head to Cancum or 4X4 around 4:00. Do your best to choose a girl before 5pm, thereby saving the entrance. If nobody strikes your fancy by then, at least the cover is only $30R. All-in is $190 plus 30R or $220 + 30R. I know 220R was either the before entrada or after entrada price.
3. Go to the nicest of the Massage houses in Centro. They cost around 100R for an hour. 3320 in the Rio Branco 156 building, or the one on the 5th floor across the street in the 185 building.
4. Hang out in front of Balcony some of the evenings. It is still a fun scene, although a low-rent event compared to Help.
5. Enjoy the LAPA scene on a Thu..Sat. Night. Legit, but really fun.
Have fun!
First, welcome to Rio!
My recommendation for you visit:
1. Suck it up and spend the money on a terma at least one time. It is as unique to Brazil as the "shower" is to Asia. Since you will only do it once, I would recommend going to L'uomos. I rarely go there, but, for a one-time experience, I just think it's the best option. Experienced, fun garotas, single-level entertaiment, reasonably-good food, and a festive atmosphere in the bar area. My suggestion would be to arrive around 7:30, look around, relax, eat, have a few drinks, watch the scene develop, and get serious about a choice around 9:00. Then, go back into the bar area and enjoy the dancing and party. This experience was near-perfect at the $60-80 it used to cost a few short years ago (okay, 6 years ago), but it remains the quintessential Rio experience.
2. If you enjoy it but don't want to spend the same money again, go to 4X4 or Cancum downtown. Go around lunch time to Centro, have a nice lunch at Spagettilandia, or at the outdoor restaurant above the Cinelandia Metro Station. Then, head to Cancum or 4X4 around 4:00. Do your best to choose a girl before 5pm, thereby saving the entrance. If nobody strikes your fancy by then, at least the cover is only $30R. All-in is $190 plus 30R or $220 + 30R. I know 220R was either the before entrada or after entrada price.
Have fun!
Since he is trying to save some money ;-), try arriving at Luomos just before 7pm and they will take half off your entrada if you session. Don't have to session before 7pm, just arrive anytime before for this deal. Also last I checked they don't charge extra (4%) for using your credit card like most other termas including 4x4 :-(
Also if you don't session at 4x4 the entrada goes from $40R to $60R no matter when you get there.
Since you will be in Barra check out terma Praia 400 on Ave. do Pepe, 400 Barra da Tijuca. Last time I went a couple of years ago there was a good selection, but they do not open til 7pm. At the time the price was not any more different than the other termas, you will definitely save on all that cab fare to Centro and Copa.
Good Luck
Thong Diva
04-29-10, 02:57
Long time lurker, first time poster here. Making my second trip to Rio this year. Hitting Rio for Memorial Day weekend (May 28 to 31 in the US). Getting into Rio Saturday morning the 29th. Since the centro termas will be closed, planning on visiting Uomo. Can't go wrong there. Thing about the termas is that they are really only open 4pm onwards. I'm hoping to find some action on a Monday from say Noon to 4pm. What do you guys suggest?
Was thinking of trying Karlas Models or Divas RJ or something like that, booking a room at say VIPS for the afternoon and hanging with a girl for a few hours, then head to GIG for the flight home. If I wanted to do this, could I just go to one of the motels and have them call the agency?
Suggestions?
Dive Monger
04-29-10, 12:48
I found a report from back in 2008 about Praia 400 in Barra. It was not a real positive report (no robes, just street clothes, some other details). I think to do a terma properly, I want to get the most traditional experience possible without ending up destitute. I am well aware that everywhere in the world when it comes to P4P, the price is only loosely connected to the looks and service level of the garota; you are more paying for the comfort and luxury of the establishment, the girls are pretty much the same everywhere. But it is like the red ropes places in Zhuhai. The girls don't look much better, on average, than in the BBS, but the rooms have great beds, mirrors, the ropes, etc. And are much more expensive than your basic boink shop.
Thanks for the L'uomo tip. I am more of an early person than a night owl, so the termas being places for afternoons or early evenings works out great.
They have lockers for your stuff then when you get the robe? Do you guys leave everything in the lockers (like in some FKK clubs in Germany) like wallet/cash, phone, etc. Or do you stuff things in pockets in the robe and keep them with you in the boite?
Since he is trying to save some money, try arriving at Luomos just before 7pm and they will take half off your entrada if you session. Don't have to session before 7pm, just arrive anytime before for this deal. Also last I checked they don't charge extra (4%) for using your credit card like most other termas including 4x4.
Also if you don't session at 4x4 the entrada goes from $40R to $60R no matter when you get there.
Since you will be in Barra check out terma Praia 400 on Ave. Do Pepe, 400 Barra the Tijuca. Last time I went a couple of years ago there was a good selection, but they do not open til 7pm. At the time the price was not any more different than the other termas, you will definitely save on all that cab fare to Centro and Copa.
Good Luck
Just got back last friday from an extended trip in rio. I have to say that Copa really sucks now, it is just horrible. Balcony and Doce Vita are just terrible, same 50-60 girls every single night. Even on a slow night, you had between 100-300 girls between TA & Help. The cost of everything has gone thru the roof, Rio is just too expensive a place to visit.
I do have one thing I would like to share with the board. I know some of you guys will not agree with what I did, but I feel just fine with my actions. I installed a KEYLOGGER program on my laptop!! I SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT YEARS AGO!!!! If you really want to find out the truth about your "special girl" in rio, have her use your laptop and then go back and see what she is up to. You will find out all kinds of secrets and dirt that you never imagined!
I had one girl that I have known for almost 5 years, I trusted her more than any other GDP in rio. Come to find out, she sent out a mass email out last year saying that her daughter died in a car accident and she needed money to bury her. I would have NEVER thought she would have done something like that, never would have believed it in a million years, until I went into her sent items.
Hell, I even found out some good dirt on my regular girlfriend. I thought she was squeaky clean and I discovered she did some foul shit behind my back too. I wish I wish i had installed that program years ago, it would have saved me alot of money and I could have known how low down and dirty most of these girls are. I have email, facebook and orkut passwords for about 12 females and it is like watching a live soap opera with all the drama and bullshit going on in their lives.
Most guys will tell you to read the forum in an impolite manner. You should take some time and read it. Here is Bubba's guide. It's a bit old but it really gives you the blow by blow of what's going to happen. All what you need has been posted here many times. Take some time and look it over. Have fun...
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=65086
I found a report from back in 2008 about Praia 400 in Barra. It was not a real positive report (no robes, just street clothes, some other details). I think to do a terma properly, I want to get the most traditional experience possible without ending up destitute. I am well aware that everywhere in the world when it comes to P4P, the price is only loosely connected to the looks and service level of the garota; you are more paying for the comfort and luxury of the establishment, the girls are pretty much the same everywhere. But it is like the red ropes places in Zhuhai. The girls don't look much better, on average, than in the BBS, but the rooms have great beds, mirrors, the ropes, etc. And are much more expensive than your basic boink shop.
Thanks for the L'uomo tip. I am more of an early person than a night owl, so the termas being places for afternoons or early evenings works out great.
They have lockers for your stuff then when you get the robe? Do you guys leave everything in the lockers (like in some FKK clubs in Germany) like wallet/cash, phone, etc. Or do you stuff things in pockets in the robe and keep them with you in the boite?
Watchman4400
04-29-10, 21:41
Gentlemen,
I am back in Rio for a little fun and sun(not so much fun for the past two days), and I am going to go to a terma today (thursday) and tomorrow Friday. I have only been to 4 x 4.
Here is my question, if you could only go to 1 more terma in your life, which would it be? Thanks in advance for the advice.
Gentlemen,
I am back in Rio for a little fun and sun(not so much fun for the past two days), and I am going to go to a terma today (thursday) and tomorrow Friday. I have only been to 4 x 4.
Here is my question, if you could only go to 1 more terma in your life, which would it be? Thanks in advance for the advice.
why do you ask though - curiosity? recommendation?
My direct answer would 4x4 - even if the ladies, by some chance, disappoint, it is still an impressive phenomenon, the show, the nooks and crannies. And if I leave, it is walking distance to some other establishments or (if those are disallowed), a short hop to VM.
But the obvious answer if that is the only one you've been to is to try a different one. L'uomo is less of a ripoff IMO than many and is convenient (central Copa, so walk, or get a metro snd it's next door from anywhere else.) I find it lacks atmosphere, compared to say, Cancun. But it has many, many fans. There's a couple of slightly less pricey ones in North Centro. Rua Mairink Veiga 30, for instance, is very reasonable, though sometimes the number of girls on has been small. Just round the corner, at Rua do Acre 61, Aquarios is cheaper still, yet nevertheless has the look and feel of the expensive termas (varies with time if day) and is handy for the likes of Florida if you fancy trying your luck when the sailors bring the girls out to play. But these north Centro places don't compare to the best upmarket termas for luxury. If they only improved the food, I could happily spend 14hrs in 4x4 (as long as someone else offers to pay bill ;))
Gentlemen,
I am back in Rio for a little fun and sun(not so much fun for the past two days), and I am going to go to a terma today (thursday) and tomorrow Friday. I have only been to 4 x 4.
Here is my question, if you could only go to 1 more terma in your life, which would it be? Thanks in advance for the advice.If you don't mind spending Centuraus! For a bargain 4x4 b4 5.
Hell, I even found out some good dirt on my regular girlfriend. I thought she was squeaky clean and I discovered she did some foul shit behind my back too. I wish I wish i had installed that program years ago, it would have saved me alot of money and I could have known how low down and dirty most of these girls are. I have email, facebook and orkut passwords for about 12 females and it is like watching a live soap opera with all the drama and bullshit going on in their lives.
Yeah these key logging software packages are great. I used one years ago when my son entered high school, I knew everything they were doing and about to do. I steered him away from many potential problems through those years. Some parents even told me that they overheard conversations of them discussing how I knew certain things. When he turned 18 I removed it and now he is graduating Ivy League. I also collected some passwords from people who used my computer, tried not to use them but sometimes I got curious. You can learn a lot about people’s bullshit and everybody does, don't we?
The cost of everything has gone thru the roof, Rio is just too expensive a place to visit.
+2
Brasil (and not only Rio) has outpriced itself out of the market.
Jamaicanceo
04-30-10, 01:15
My last day in Rio tends to always be the same. The previous night I get laid in Copa by a stunner, if possible.
I wake up the next morning, the day of departure, and pack my things. I leave out a set of clothes for the trip home. Then I dress in another set of clothes and take the metro to centro.
This is where the cheap casas come in handy!
I bang about 3 girls, drink as much as I can take, and generally have a blast.
Then I take the metro back to Copa, take a shower, pack the few things I left out, and wait for the driver to take me to the airport.
On the plane, I usually fall alseep during takeoff and wake up only to eat.
If I do wake up again it is about 2 or 3 hours to arrival, so I just turn on my Ipod or watch a movie on my DVD player.
In the past, the last day was horrible for me and the trip home was depressing. Now I have a blast on the last day and sleep most of the trip!
Most flights leave around 9 or 10pm, so you do not have to leave Copa until 6 or 7.
And the cheap thermas allow you to spend under R100 while drinking and banging chicks at will!
TJI like this plan TJ. This is almost how I do it. I have not gotten it down yet, but I'm no longer depressed when I leave Rio. And my trip from Los Angeles to Atlanta to Rio feels a little shorter, going and coming. But your report is nice.
Yeah these key logging software packages are great. I used one years ago when my son entered high school, I knew everything they were doing and about to do. I steered him away from many potential problems through those years. Some parents even told me that they overheard conversations of them discussing how I knew certain things. When he turned 18 I removed it and now he is graduating Ivy League. I also collected some passwords from people who used my computer, tried not to use them but sometimes I got curious. You can learn a lot about people’s bullshit and everybody does, don't we?
The only email you have to stay away from is GMAIL!! I actually got caught by one of the girls because she uses GMAIL for all her dirt. When you log into GMAIL, it actuall shows the date & time you were last logged in and most inportant, it gives the IP ADDRESS and city from which you logged in!!
The girl logged in from home for 5 days straight and it gave the same IP address at the bottum, I logged into her account a few days later and it showed a different IP address, thats how she knew I had went into her account.
Another thing I learned from being in IT for many years, is that people do not like to have multiple passwords. So their password for Hotmail, will be the same password they use for their Yahoo, Orkut, Facebook, Myspace, Gmail... etc.
Quatro por Quatro aka 4x4 the best mongering institution on earth!!!!
Gentlemen,
I am back in Rio for a little fun and sun(not so much fun for the past two days), and I am going to go to a terma today (thursday) and tomorrow Friday. I have only been to 4 x 4.
Here is my question, if you could only go to 1 more terma in your life, which would it be? Thanks in advance for the advice.
Watchman4400
04-30-10, 03:44
Christopherd,
I asked for curiosity and for recommendations. Like I said, I have been to 4 x 4 several times and I wanted to know what people thought was the next best place to 4 x 4. I actually think that 4 x 4 is a little overrated. Don't get me wrong, there are some incredible girls there but the girl to guy ratio is [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor pretty often.
For example, I went to 4 x 4 tonight. There were some beautiful women there but my God there were atleast 4 guys to every hottie. That place just gets so crowded that it gets tough to take all the half naked guys all around you.
why do you ask though - curiosity? recommendation?
My direct answer would 4x4 - even if the ladies, by some chance, disappoint, it is still an impressive phenomenon, the show, the nooks and crannies. And if I leave, it is walking distance to some other establishments or (if those are disallowed), a short hop to VM.
But the obvious answer if that is the only one you've been to is to try a different one. L'uomo is less of a ripoff IMO than many and is convenient (central Copa, so walk, or get a metro snd it's next door from anywhere else.) I find it lacks atmosphere, compared to say, Cancun. But it has many, many fans. There's a couple of slightly less pricey ones in North Centro. Rua Mairink Veiga 30, for instance, is very reasonable, though sometimes the number of girls on has been small. Just round the corner, at Rua do Acre 61, Aquarios is cheaper still, yet nevertheless has the look and feel of the expensive termas (varies with time if day) and is handy for the likes of Florida if you fancy trying your luck when the sailors bring the girls out to play. But these north Centro places don't compare to the best upmarket termas for luxury. If they only improved the food, I could happily spend 14hrs in 4x4 (as long as someone else offers to pay bill ;))
I know what you mean about 4x4 but it is still good value considering the girls there. My favorite terma right now is Solarium. It is better on weeknights as it still has the party atmosphere that is now lacking in other termas like L'uomo. What can be better than a lot of half naked girls mingling, dancing and teasing.
watchman - my apologies - i don't really recommend any tier one termas in rio except for the novelty value. and as novelty value goes, 4x4 has more bells and whistles, that's all. :d
sangue bon and other respected posters commenting with useful info on keylogging. great stuff - i've used a keylogger before but had never thought of getting a garota to access her hotmail account and then using it to read her posts.
the only time i would personally do it would be if she had personally done me harm. to me, invading someone's privacy in this manner is pretty poor show. a sort of 'might is right' attitude which is akin to intellectual [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). one would not like to be on the receiving end of such practices. if i suspected her of doing wrong, checked her keylogs, found her innocent, i would feel mortified. how does not being caught make it ok i would ask myself - it doesn't.
one can object that you have had sex with a gdp, formed a 'relationship,' given or promised her money, accepted her pledges of faithfulness etc. this is a pretty poor argument on at least two counts. a) it is part of the game for her to make you feel special, that's what she does. like telling you you're handsome and you have a big dick - it's best to get over it. you don't keep pet crocodiles and expect them not to eat your chickens, it's against their nature, damn it! b) even if she was not a gdp / promised to cease being a gdp: most normal middle class brasilians have affairs. it's normal. they do not have western hang-ups about it. the only rule is, don't get caught. not to accept that, is simply forcing an unevolved aspect of western morality onto her. if you want her to stay faithful, rely on your ability to judge character, your ability to keep her interested, and above all your ability to be open with her without exposing yourself to risk. if you expect her to give up being a gdp and come to the states and marry you for instance, expect her single-minded devotion to start from when she moves in with you - that's day one in her books. believing anything else is, with due respect, dumb as they come, even with a brain the size of a cosmic intel processor.
the very valuable thing about the posts by sangue bon and bravo is being aware of the technology so you can avoid it happening to you. as someone pointed out some time ago, if you are entering private info such as credit card numbers or crucial material onto a computer not your own, you might want to open the microsoft on-screen keyboard to do so. not complete protection, but a good piece of trench warfare against keylogging.* or some people's laptops ;).
i'm not saying for one moment that you should accept my morals - as mr wilde would say, if you don't like them i have plenty of others. so please don't bother flaming me - we just disagree on this point, that's all.
best wishes
christopherd.
*for instance, if you suspect the pc in that dodgy internet cafe is not secure
The only email you have to stay away from is GMAIL!! I actually got caught by one of the girls because she uses GMAIL for all her dirt. When you log into GMAIL, it actuall shows the date & time you were last logged in and most inportant, it gives the IP ADDRESS and city from which you logged in!!I was going to mention that about the gmail. Although I figured most people never notice that "last account activity" status line at the bottom of the page. One would think your average brasileira would not understand what that info means but it just goes to show how sharp some of these gdps are. If you really want to be sneaky, you can turn off alerts of unusual activity in the preferences, then wait 7-8 days before you snoop again (it takes a week for the feature to turn off as per google). Still, I think the "last account activity" alert remains on the page no matter what security features you turn off.
Be careful snooping around though. It can come back to haunt you. I've thought about doing the same thing myself, but sometimes ignorance is bliss and it's better not to know all the grimy details of these gdp lives.
Anyway, guys are supposed to know at least half the things a hooker tells you are lies or exaggerations. Some of their sob stories are true as many of these women do come from screwed up backgrounds (what kind of women you think enter and stay in this line of work for more than 6 months?).
But the sob stories that end up with a request for money you should automatically suspect. It's up to you if you want to send anything but you should assume it's money spent down the drain, some guys might want to send something just to keep the friendship going.
My advice would be to have a sob story of your own! :) You "confess" to her that the reality is that most gringos are no better than brasileiros, that many are deeply in debt including you, that this is why the world financial crisis started and that you too were hit hard by the crisis; and you can't possibly send her any large sum right now but maybe in a few months when your financial situation has stabilized.
If you want to keep the relationship going, you throw in that "maybe later" line and/or send no more than 200 reais. I personally wouldn't send any money unless I REALLY liked her and want to continue being with her on my next trip, but with some gdps this kind of bs won't occur. And I would never send more than 200 reais which for my situation I consider throwaway cash, sort of a "don't bother me for awhile" money transfer.
The part about gringos being in too much debt is of course partially true, but it's a way to indirectly tell the girl you're not her ATM or her ticket to financial freedom. But you optionally send a little amount of money and mention "maybe more later" to try to string her along/maintain her interest in you (if that's what you really want).
It's also a way to stroke their egos sociopolitically and try to gain some brownie points with the brasileira this way. Let's face reality: many Brazilians have at best conflicting attitudes about Americans (maybe Europeans too).
The gdp in particular suffers a lot of cognitive dissonance: she looks down on her gringo sponsors for being so gullible with their money, yet how can someone so naive have so much discretionary income to begin with? She ends up resenting not only the gringo, but her dependency on him. That's a recipe for some very interesting and intense interactions with your gdp!
I'm curious to hear what others think about these deceptive gdps although I don't think it's worth the potential trouble keeping tabs on them.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.
I have received a few PMS asking about KL applications. I downloaded two from CNET. KGB & ALL IN ONE! I only installed KGB and it has worked great so far. It records all their keystrokes, so I can see usernames, passwords, websites visited. I can even see entire conversations they have on Instant Messenger.
What I usualy do is let the GDP see me surfing on my email and they start feining like a crack head. They love to check their email, orkut, facebook and seeing a laptop with internet access is too much for them to resist. I then make up a bullshit excuse like "I am going to go buy minutes for my phone or I need to buy water. I will be back in like 25 minutes". They always ask me if they can use my computer and I respond with a big "sure, no problem". 25 minutes gives them enough time to get confortable and open all their email addresses and launch MSN or Yahoo IM.
I should have done this YEARRRRRRSSSSSSSS ago, I could kick myself in the ass for not doing it before. It would have saved me thousands of dollars and alot of stress. I even used it with my non gdp girlfriend and was able to find out some secrets she had hidden in the back of the closet.
(Now if I could just find out how to log into GMAIL without it recording my IP address, city and time I logged in) LOL
watchman -
sangue bon and other respected posters commenting with useful info on keylogging. great stuff - i've used a keylogger before but had never thought of getting a garota to access her hotmail account and then using it to read her posts.
the only time i would personally do it would be if she had personally done me harm. to me, invading someone's privacy in this manner is pretty poor show. a sort of 'might is right' attitude which is akin to intellectual [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). one would not like to be on the receiving end of such practices. lor]
i completely respect your viewpoint on this subject, we can all agree to disagree. i did not add this point because i didnt feel it was relevant, but the whole "intellectual [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)" thing, hit a nerve.
without fail, every single garota has snooped into my laptop to look at pictures and to read my email as well! as most of us know, when you log into msn or yahoo im, it will show you how many unread emails you have in your inbox, without fail i would return and there would be less unread emails! every single girl has entered my emails or went into my c drive and looked around. now i am sure some of you guys will say that leaving a girl alone in my apartment with my laptop, is entrapment!!
kinda like the criminals on the tv show "bait car". they thiefs blame the cops for leaving a car on a busy street, with the keys in the ignition! lol!!!!! now, if the girl did not read my email or snoop around my c drive, i would never look into her affairs either. it just so happened that every single girl jumped into the drivers seat of the bait car and roared off down the highway! soon as i saw that the girl had no respect for my privacy, my conscious had no problems delving into her secrets too.
side note : i also feel that when a guy is sending his hard earned money to help someone, he has every right to know the truth. he should know if he is being scammed or not and if a keylogger program can give him the answer he needs, i say go for it. (like that girl who sent out emails to 15 different men saying her daughter was struck by a car and died and she needed money to bury her).
not trying to argue with you christopher, i really enjoy your posts, its just that we have different viewpoints on this subject matter.
I completely respect your viewpoint on this subject, we can all agree to disagree.
No probs at all. :D
Watchman4400
04-30-10, 13:15
Side note : I also feel that when a guy is sending his hard earned money to help someone, he has every right to know the truth. He should know if he is being scammed or not and if a keylogger program can give him the answer he needs, I say go for it. (Like that girl who sent out emails to 15 different men saying her daughter was struck by a car and died and she needed money to bury her).
Bravo,
I guess I understand why someone would want to use one of those programs to find out what a GDP was up to makes sense. But it has always been my policy to assume that they are ALL up to something and they are ALL scamming every guy they can. That is one of the reasons I do not send GDPs money.
I have a few GDPs that call themselves my girlfriends and they tell me how much the love me and how they want to be with me. It feels great at the time but I have no doubt that the moment I walk away one of those girls could be telling you the exact same thing. It doesn't make me mad at all because I realize that these girls are doing what they need to do to survive. I don't judge them but I for damn sure do not send them money. But that is an old discussion that has bee hashed and rehashed here for years.
Bravo, I am glad you got some good information using the program. I hope it helps you in the future. I love this forum because it allows for the sharing if information and some guys will love it and some guys will not. But at the end of the day, we should all have a drink a beautiful woman and a smile on our faces!
Hi,
I´m coming to Rio for a week and could use some helpful tips and info
I´m just a backpacker going through South America, having some fun. Can´t really afford renting private apartment or the more expensive places.
I always go to the smaller casas, usually there is a casa list on the forums that I use for some fun, but reading the post below I see you guys took it down for Rio.
Can anyone maybe send me a list of few places, or maybe meet up in Rio and say where to go?
Thanks
Brazil Specialist
04-30-10, 13:35
I have sent many emails before my trips and just I had answers only with Divasrj and ayanneriomodels that why I have choosen Divasrj but no problem if like you don't like the girl from the agency give her 30 real for taxi and byeybye then choose another girls in Meia Pataca
Actually, I have never even THOUGHT of emailing an agency. Never heard of it. This just is not the usual method.
The real agencies are way too busy to answer the phone. Guess the expensive fake agencies answer email more easily
Taxi depends on where she comes from, R$ 30 rarely will do. But rarely more then 60.
Brazil Specialist
04-30-10, 14:05
Long time lurker, first time poster here. Making my second trip to Rio this year. Hitting Rio for Memorial Day weekend (May 28 to 31 in the US). Getting into Rio Saturday morning the 29th. Since the centro termas will be closed, planning on visiting Uomo. Can't go wrong there. Thing about the termas is that they are really only open 4pm onwards. I'm hoping to find some action on a Monday from say Noon to 4pm. What do you guys suggest?
Was thinking of trying Karlas Models or Divas RJ or something like that, booking a room at say VIPS for the afternoon and hanging with a girl for a few hours, then head to GIG for the flight home. If I wanted to do this, could I just go to one of the motels and have them call the agency?
Suggestions?
You can use Motel Barao do Flamengo and rent a room there and peruse all scortshow girls, one by one. www.karlamodels.net the LOWER HALF of the girls, or www.scortshow.net the upper half
But Sunday they are closed. Saturday: either closed or at quarter staff till 6 pm.
Monday noon to 4, options are endless. All cheap R$ 1 per minute places, all good clean R$ 80 half hour massage places (belprazer, ...), karlamodels, scortwhow, ......
There are a few massage parlors on Saturday, I think belprazer and massagemtijuca (a bit off the regular path but not too far with a taxi)
http://massagemtijuca.com.br/
Sunday only tourist traps or Vila Mimosa (don't recommend).
Oh, Sunday: www.starcris.com has some crap and some AMAZING weekend only nice girls. www.Ciaplus.com also has occasional gem among their seasoned veterans and opens on Sunday. They are close to Copa, taxi is cheap.
Mel is back:
http://www.starcris.com/mel1/index.htm
Stunning beauty, wonderful spinner, highly cultured and educated college girl. But some people hate her, she is kind of shy and sexually shy and repressed, rather she is NOT a born wh.re. If you treat her like a ***** or offend her in any way, she treats you like shit. Treat her like a lady, don't expect the super fuck, and you have a nice playboy bunny lovely gf for R$ 150. She does not even need the photo shop, her body is unreal. Usually works ONLY weekends.
Tell Mel the gringo da cobertura em Copacabana recomendou (gringo in the Copacabana penthouse recommended). She can probably figure out who it is.
If you get in touch with me while in Rio, sometimes I have other special recommendations. No guarantee, but sometimes I discover new talent. Sometimes next door girls who did only half a dozen programs in their life who would never work in an agency. Just had such a girl, 18 years and 5 days! petite, 5 feet, a beauty. But inexperienced, no super porn fuck experience.
Massagemtijuca I want to check out, if you want to invite me, just pay the taxi and I join you ....... Check their amazing pricing. you MUST get 2 girls
http://massagemtijuca.com.br/sitPrecos.htm
Hi,
I'm coming to Rio for a week and could use some information and tips
I'm just a backpaper with not much money traveling around South America. Usually I use these forums to find some local casas but from reading below I see you guys no longer post the list.
Could someone send me few locations, or maybe wants to meet up in Rio and exchange info.
Thanks
Dive Monger
04-30-10, 15:34
Voyajer,
I initially read the guide (all 12+ sections, both the original and the update), and it was clear that you put everything in the locker and take a robe with the key. But other reports in this set of threads had guys commenting on using (or being prevented from using) cell phones and cameras in the boite, and lots of guys saying they got phone numbers from the girls (need to write them down, no?). In my mind, this means that some guys had stuff with them, not leaving everything in the locker, so I was looking for clarification on that point.
I try to read almost everything before bothering you guys with questions I'm sure you've seen a thousand times already.
Most guys will tell you to read the forum in an impolite manner. You should take some time and read it. Here is Bubba's guide. It's a bit old but it really gives you the blow by blow of what's going to happen. All what you need has been posted here many times. Take some time and look it over. Have fun.
http://www.Internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php? Attachmentid=65086
But other reports in this set of threads had guys commenting on using (or being prevented from using) cell phones and cameras in the boite, and lots of guys saying they got phone numbers from the girls (need to write them down, no?). In my mind, this means that some guys had stuff with them, not leaving everything in the locker, so I was looking for clarification on that point.
I try to read almost everything before bothering you guys with questions I'm sure you've seen a thousand times already.
No worries. It's a common monger thing, not just limited to Rio termas. If it helps, I just plan ahead. When you're wearing a robe (eg in 4x4) it still has pockets. Or if you carry nothing, you can ask the barman for a pencil and a piece of till roll to write a phone number down.
I've done this in the past when just popping in spontaneously. But for a planned visit I generally have either a small bag (that will fit into a robe pocket - something the size of an airport liquids bag) or a small waist bag.
Let's say at the outset that you should never take a camera (or phone camera) out in the main public area. Don't try to con 4x4. Just play by the spirit of the rules. My small pouch, which I would only ever take out in the private room with the girl, contains things like my very compact camera, pen & paper, my own favourite brand of condoms, and anything else I might want for the up-close-and-personal time. If I plan to use a pen & paper in the public areas, I generally just keep them separate - and loose in a robe pocket. (In venues where you keep your valuables, I have a miniature pen that fits in my wallet.)
Hope that helps.
Voyajer,
I initially read the guide (all 12+ sections, both the original and the update), and it was clear that you put everything in the locker and take a robe with the key. But other reports in this set of threads had guys commenting on using (or being prevented from using) cell phones and cameras in the boite, and lots of guys saying they got phone numbers from the girls (need to write them down, no?). In my mind, this means that some guys had stuff with them, not leaving everything in the locker, so I was looking for clarification on that point.
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In copa termas, you have to be super descreet about gettng a girl's number. In fact a girl can be fined or fired for giving out her number and meeting a monger outside of the terma. In the central termas, they could care less and you could walk right up to the bar and ask for a pen and paper.
As a longtime lurker and lover of Brasil I first want to thank everyone for the great information here.
Cutting to the race, I would like to recommend an escort that has been around for sometime but currently (after not advertising much) she is back w/ Ju Pantera's using the name Raiane.
Some may remember her as Emanuelle w/ Karla Models.
She speaks limited English but don't let that be an obstacle.
She has a great attitude and service to match.
You'll see & enjoy, believe me.
Rates are similar to Karla's & Scortshow.
Others: Please post your recommendations.
Thanks in advance,
Greengo
SlimHoleDrill
04-30-10, 23:05
In copa termas, you have to be super descreet about gettng a girl's number. In fact a girl can be fined or fired for giving out her number and meeting a monger outside of the terma. In the central termas, they could care less and you could walk right up to the bar and ask for a pen and paper.
Indeed be careful when getting a number. But nobody is goig to frisk you or grt excited unless you do somrthing stupid like pull out a camera or try to take a picture in the boite. I used to take my cell phone in the robe pocket, no problem. That is a really easy way to get numbers.
But even if you have nothing to save the number, she will get it for you if she wants to. Once, a garota carved Her number in one of those little bars of soap. Now that is innovation.
It varies a lot, but generally I think you need to know them -- especially the stars -- to get a number. Or maybe really impress them that you are OK. The further down the scale the easier it gets.
I get a fair number of these offers but have very rarely followed through. They spend most of their days in the terma so you would have to schedule around that. Or you can try to get them out after closing time. It always seems a bit of a hassle since there are so many options. And anyway, what is the objective? Try to get her a little cheaper? Start a more real relatuonship? It will get more complicatred.
But don't worry about what you take in your robe pockets. Just use common sense.
Hi guys.
I have just arrived back in Rio after almost five weeks on a nasty boat. I'm fried tonight and all I want to do is sleep. Where would I find some action between say 7 and 9 am on a Saturday morning? my hotel is not GDP friendly and require an extra payment for visitors. As my room is direct bill it would show up and I don't want that. I understand the termas don't open until around 4 pm by which Time I will be at the office working my but off. Any suggestions.
Thank you for your time.
Mr Enternational
05-01-10, 03:29
it was clear that you put everything in the locker and take a robe with the key. But other reports in this set of threads had guys commenting on using (or being prevented from using) cell phones and cameras in the boite, and lots of guys saying they got phone numbers from the girls (need to write them down, no?).
Back in the days when I would go to 4X4 I would take my Nike gym sack (the bag with the drawstrings that you carry on your back) from the locker room and into the boite with me. That was before these small ass digital cameras came out. In my bag would be my video camera, SLR, and tripod, condoms and other adult accessories, pen and paper, and cell phone. (Of course the cell phone would never have a signal inside of the building.) Never a problem. If you don't have a writing instrument then the girl will use one from the waitress or bartender. But remember what Bravo said, Copa termas don't play that shit.
Quatro por Quatro aka 4x4 the best mongering institution on earth!!!!
Totally agree. never a dull moment at quatro por quatro. The first time I went I met a guy who maxed out his credits cards. I wonder what they do if you are out of money since you pay after you are done?
I really enjoyed the chicken salad they serve out there. yum.. It looked like this, correct me if I'm wrong.
http://www.ninopizzaria.com.br/imgs/fot_saladas/a_salpicao-700.jpg
Without fail, EVERY SINGLE garota has snooped into my laptop to look at pictures and to read my email as well!Here's a list of tips/ideas to keep the nosy garotas off your data:
First of all, set your chat programs to not remember your password before you go off on your trip; you should also set the history in your browser down to zero or one day only, before you travel. And reconfigure your browser to forget the usernames and passwords for sites like this one and any other "special" sites.
Learn how to use the other security features of your web browser, and keep a folder of your special files and pics nested deep in your computer, preferably encrypted as well. I would suggest you learn and use an encryption program if you're concerned about the privacy of your pics and other files.
In the Firefox browser, you can set a "master password" that keeps all your passwords for your mail accounts, etc. You configure the browser so that after 10-15 minutes of no activity, you have to type in the master password again if you access your mail or some other site that needs credentials. Or just restart the browser before letting ANY guest go on it, not just gdps!
Not sure about IE since I haven't used it in ages but the latest version of Firefox has a "private browsing" feature that you can turn on before going on your p4p or any other special sites. No browsing history or password is ever recorded in "private mode."
Or you can use an alternate browser (Seamonkey, Chrome, Safari) for checking out p4p or other "special" sites while keeping FireFox and IE for mainstream browsing.
If the above sounds like too much or you have no clue what I'm talking about, the easiest thing to do is to create a secondary account on your system for any guest who goes on your computer; but I prefer a combination of some of the above just to be on the sure side.
Good luck, and don't take what the gdps say too seriously!
Can someone tell me how to get to 4x4 by subway or bus. what is the best method and where do i get off. i have always used a cab, but this trip, I will need to save money with the exchange rate below 1.7. Lets hope for a rebound by August.
Thanks
Brazil Specialist
05-02-10, 09:06
Hi guys.
I have just arrived back in Rio after almost five weeks on a nasty boat. I'm fried tonight and all I want to do is sleep. Where would I find some action between say 7 and 9 am on a Saturday morning? my hotel is not GDP friendly and require an extra payment for visitors. As my room is direct bill it would show up and I don't want that. I understand the termas don't open until around 4 pm by which Time I will be at the office working my but off. Any suggestions.
Thank you for your time.
I am a total daytime specialist.
But you are talking about the worst possible time. 7 am to 9 am, on a Saturday?
Girls used to be at Nogueira bar, between Barbarella and Cicciolina bars. But probably till 6 or so.
Vila Mimosa, which I don't recommend due to filth, is open 24 hours. But don't expect much at such an hour.
Scortshow and karlamodels open some time around 8,9, in the morning, but maybe not Saturday.
Some cheap brothels open at 9 or 10, also better massage parlors like Flaviamassagens, Belprazer, etc. Again, Saturday is an aggravation.
Also, I see you asked the question late, it already is Sunday now, too late .......
An old documentary made by Rede Manchete showing Zona do Mangue, ex Vila Mimosa before it moved to the current location in 1995.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cUHeXSuVkU
LatinaLover#1
05-02-10, 15:55
Anyone have first hand knowledge of her.
She looks good on the site.
As a longtime lurker and lover of Brasil I first want to thank everyone for the great information here.
Cutting to the race, I would like to recommend an escort that has been around for sometime but currently (after not advertising much) she is back w/ Ju Pantera's using the name Raiane.
Some may remember her as Emanuelle w/ Karla Models.
She speaks limited English but don't let that be an obstacle.
She has a great attitude and service to match.
You'll see & enjoy, believe me.
Rates are similar to Karla's & Scortshow.
Others: Please post your recommendations.
Thanks in advance,
Greengo
what are the rates at Ju Pantera? Comparable to Karla - 2 hrs for R$120? I will be in Rio next week with my lady and there is a GDP there that she has her eyes on. thanks
As a longtime lurker and lover of Brasil I first want to thank everyone for the great information here.
Cutting to the race, I would like to recommend an escort that has been around for sometime but currently (after not advertising much) she is back w/ Ju Pantera's using the name Raiane.
Some may remember her as Emanuelle w/ Karla Models.
She speaks limited English but don't let that be an obstacle.
She has a great attitude and service to match.
You'll see & enjoy, believe me.
Rates are similar to Karla's & Scortshow.
Others: Please post your recommendations.
Thanks in advance,
Greengo
Prophetsex
05-02-10, 21:11
Totally agree. never a dull moment at quatro por quatro. The first time I went I met a guy who maxed out his credits cards. I wonder what they do if you are out of money since you pay after you are done?
I really enjoyed the chicken salad they serve out there. yum.. It looked like this, correct me if I'm wrong.
http://www.ninopizzaria.com.br/imgs/fot_saladas/a_salpicao-700.jpgCentauraus is the best!!! BY FAR!
Sorry Greengo, I did not read your full post. I see you answered my question further down in your post. Great.
what are the rates at Ju Pantera? Comparable to Karla - 2 hrs for R$120? I will be in Rio next week with my lady and there is a GDP there that she has her eyes on. thanks
Carlos Primeros
05-02-10, 23:36
Prophetsex - Centaurus is the best for what???? The most expensive - yes!! The best???? I was there recently and 4x4 can easily top it.
Carlos Primeros
Carlos Primeros
05-02-10, 23:49
Hi Helprules,
I think the only chance you have on Saturday early in the morning is the junction Av. Prado Junior / Av. Nossa Sra. de Copacabana.
The favela-chicks /drug-addicts hang there around between 5 - 7 at two or three bars having a last beer or joint before creeping home. Do not expect ANY quality -this is real trash.
Carlos
Exec Talent
05-03-10, 01:19
Prophetsex - Centaurus is the best for what???? The most expensive - yes!! The best???? I was there recently and 4x4 can easily top it.
Carlos Primeros
Centaurus is good for getting a GDP's phone number for after hours and day off activity. They actually respect guys who aren't stupid enough to pay the R$450 termas rate. I used to go for the music (lately this has sucked), have a bite to eat and get a few numbers.
This termas is only recommended for gringos who speak Portuguese well. Otherwise, you will look like the white rat that was thrown to the piranhas. There won't be much left of you (your wallet anyway) when they are done with you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofXW7xPrnSI&NR=1
Carlos, I think you answered the wrong person. I wanted to know the best way to get to 4x4, by bus or train, and what stop do i get off at.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofXW7xPrnSI&NR=1
Sick video, but point made!!!!!!!!!! Wait until the mice start fighting back!
I think the only chance you have on Saturday early in the morning is the junction Av. Prado Junior / Av. Nossa Sra. de Copacabana.
The favela-chicks /drug-addicts hang there around between 5 - 7 at two or three bars having a last beer or joint before creeping home. Do not expect ANY quality -this is real trash.
Carlos gives sensible generalised advice, especially for someone who wants a sure bet and doesn't know the area intimately.
But it is just a generalisation. Briefly -
The girls who only hang about round there, sitting on parked cars and so on, are almost always junkies or straightforward thieves. If you watch carefully, you will see that the regular girls in the late night bars do not socialise with them. No-one does.
But the girls in the bars that are still open at that time do not fit so neatly into any category. They include junkies. They also include respectable pros who are just enjoying drinking till dawn. They include the usual cocktail of late-nighters, and even (very occasionally) a non-pro who just happens to be there cos she's drinking with her mate who's a pro.
My usual rules include: never pick up anyone at that hour in the Bar Prado/Docas area (the bit of Prado Junior from NS Copa to Viv.Mineiros d.Castro) unless I know where they've been. eg, I know they've been at Balcony or Alexandra or I know them through people I know already and who can vouch for them enough for me.
Nogueira (on Min d.Castro opposite Barbarella's) is different. You will get there sometimes girls who simply want to wait until the first day bus home starts running. I've picked up several very sweet, substance-free young women there for a couple of hours of fun. Nog will stay open, if there are paying customers, until well after sunrise and sometimes as late as 8.30am. But it is not reliable. You can stay there all night and get nothing. And not really for beginners either, so generally speaking might be more hassle than it's worth for most people.
The bars further up towards Barata Ribeiro have occasional hookers but rarely anything worth hooking up with; and at least one of them can be intolerant of girls who are too obviously GDP or guys that are too obviously mongers.
The whole area is one for caution.
Quite honestly, the best reliable for a Saturday morning is anyone's guess. A late night pick-up the previous night that you want to stay for seconds and thirds seems the best choice. VM might have a few, but not the best ones, and it's a long way to go on the off-chance. I have picked up a tasty 10.30am quickie from the GDP restaurant on the beach (Prado/Atlantica), but that again is just luck. I don't know what time they open for breakfast.
Kind regards
C
Hi guys.
I have just arrived back in Rio after almost five weeks on a nasty boat. I'm fried tonight and all I want to do is sleep. Where would I find some action between say 7 and 9 am on a Saturday morning?
7-9 AM, I can't imagine a worse time to find GPs in Rio.
It's to early for the Centro casas and escort agencies. VM is open, but propably quite dead. Balcony is closed.
If you're really desperate to get laid between 7-9 AM, in Copa, your only options would be Prado Junior and the beach quiosque in front of Balcony. In this quiosque there are usually a couple of drunk and not so beautiful Balcony GPs getting some last beers before going home. At 8 AM they are normally gone.
I often walk a dog down Prado Junior around 7-8 AM. There are always a bunch of GPs outside one of the botecos. A mixture of hardcore GPs, drugaddicts and a few that might not be real women. Only a fool would have his pick here.
Christopherd's advice about Nogueira sounds like the best option, or wait until 10 AM and have e early pick in the Centro casas.
I often walk a dog down Prado Junior around 7-8 AM. There are always a bunch of GPs outside one of the botecos. A mixture of hardcore GPs, drugaddicts and a few that might not be real women. Only a fool would have his pick here.
After all the stories of your exploits, I can't imagine you turning down anything. LOL......................I'm usually sleep this time of the morning, and most likely, next to some hottie I met way earlier in the evening.
ryjer
After all the stories of your exploits, I can't imagine you turning down anything. LOL......................I'm usually sleep this time of the morning, and most likely, next to some hottie I met way earlier in the evening.
ryjer
Funny guy... :D
You should try a early wake-up. Copacabana is spectacular in the early morning. Watch the fantastic sunrise, have a morning run on the beach (more hot girls jogging in the morning than in the evening) and afterwards an açaí and a vitamina de abacate. A start like that gives you a lot of energy to spend in the Centro casas. :p
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