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Member #3439

02-19-11, 04:34

You have a better chance of getting robbed while leaving balcony bar than while being in Tijuca or centro.Stress Centro during the day when the prives are open. Regarding Copa, I heard some gunfire near Barbarella earlier this week. I walk all around Centro at night and have never heard gunfire in Centro on this or previous trips.

I am trying to understand why there is such a disparity between the prices at a Termas and the girls at the Privies? It just doesn't make sense. Nowhere else in hobby land (near as I can figure) can you get the same pussy for the same range of prices.I know its also that way in Jakarta, Tokyo, Osaka, and San Jose CR. The better the place, the more convenient, and the more well known, the higher the prices. Some girls don't have the personality for work like that. They have to be able to be dependable, sexually open, work late nights, and treat every customer like he's the biggest stud in Brasil. In the prives, not much is required except show up in the morning, suck and fuck, go home.

I stopped by T502 again this evening. Very busy. Saw the girl that I've been banging there and was thinking of giving her the number for TLN. But she was hooked up with some guy already, so I wasn't going to wait and just left. Walked down the street, lots of little funk parties going on in alleyways all over, maybe 70 people each. Lots of booty shakin.

Member #3439

02-19-11, 13:36

I'm leaving early so won't report more girls, but just wanted to mention some things that were reinforced to me during the trip.

If you want quality sessions with GFE, BBBJ, CIM, etc focus on the mid-range termas, bars and apartments. Last time, I wasted a lot of time in BA85, U210, VM etc with nothing to show but blue balls, a stack of spitty condoms, and a high score. This time, I didn't even stop by.

If a girl is not providing as promised, you can give her a second chance to honor it, and if that fails, then walk out like I did. I used to suggest here that people should have done that, but always wondered if I'd actually stick my dick back in my robe and go make an issue of it when out in the same situation. I can say that it felt good fighting the good fight, and I busted nut elsewhere later so all was well and it was the appropriate thing to do.

If you want to see the potential of a girl, repeat her at least once within days after meeting. The repeat will make the possibilities clear.

Values can be had at Balcony in the early morning like 3 AM. If your schedule can handle it and if you don't need to sleep. :)

Club Florida is off my list. T502 is a better value in every aspect.

Staying in Centro is more of a hassle than it is worth. The price is a little cheaper, it's close to the good spots, but it's way too much walking and way too hard to find food at night. This said after 2 times staying here. I'd rather pay +40 USD per night hotel, stay in Copa, and ride the metro to Centro like I used to do.

Devilspinkick

02-19-11, 18:30

Sadly I'm near the end of yet another great trip to Brazil. Having had my fill of buceta, cachaça, & açaí, my only complaint is that I can't stay longer. But there's work to be done and besides I'll be on my way to the Big Apple and Europe for more debauchery not so long from now. I just want to give my impressions of the Termas I visited and Rio in general.

First I want to say that I am impressed with how little by little they are improving the infrastructure around the city. Good to see that at least some of the increased costs are going towards making things better. Love the workout stations along the beach; hope that they open up a "Muscle Beach" type of place somewhere in Copa or Ipa. Some of the buses are now equiped with televisions that display the weather and the latest news (fancy). Look forward to the day when the metro extends out to the Jardim Botanico and Barra da Tijuca.

I don't waste my time with the low-end termas / bordellos. I'm rather picky and have enough trouble finding the type of woman that I like (skinny with a nice little butt) at the mid-range Termas. The only Termas I really consider high-range is Centaurus and they annoy me too much, plus the quality of gals aren't any better than at the mid-range places. As an aside I will admit that I've had good times there in the past but the last time I visited the place was perhaps two years ago. Anyway .....

L'uomo. This place had more thin gals than at the other termas I went to. Most of the gals here are dark skinned. This doesn't matter to me but I'm sure to other folks it might. Had some good nights here a couple of times.

Monte Carlo. Didn't do much for me this time. Mostly thick / fat women. Some visits this place is pretty good. This wasn't one of those visits.

Solarium. Has to be the most boring of the mid-range places. For my tastes the ladies are mostly average. Some decent lookers. Some scrawny chicks. But man is it place lame. At least MC has a whiskeria where you can hide and watch sports until some fresh meat shows up. Didn't spend much time here.

Termas 65 - They made some nice improvements to this Termas located in O Centro. No where near as big or hectic as the nearby 4X4 & of course far fewer women. Not too many slim women from what I saw. Many gals with the "bundão". The few fit women I met there I had already been with during previous visits. Nice that they have remodeled the boate. It looks much nicer now. Plus they opened a whiskeria on the level below for guys who like to keep their business suits on (no robes allowed there).

4X4 - This has been my most visited termas for a few years now. The overall quality isn't really better than the other places but do to the vast numbers of women employed there; if you stay long enough you'll eventually find something you like. Once again, plenty of fat chicks and many of the gals that fit MY type I have already been with two or three times (and there's nothing the Devil hates more than repetition). Thankfully this is a very festive place that has a party-like atmosphere so it's easy to while away the time by chatting & drinking .... occasionally screwing as well. Sometimes I retreat to the smaller boate to take a quick break from the scene and give time for new faces to show up. Like with T65, there is a whiskeria that's clothes only. I'm sure it comes in handy for those business fellows who don't have time to change into a robe and lounge around for half of the day. Had some good times here as usual. Too many women trying to be my namorada and asking me for marriage. How silly - even demons know better than to marry girls that work in termas!

I also happened to pass by Lovely Rio massage and check out the talent. Only a couple of women there at 8PM on a Saturday night. But they were both attractive? How did this happen? One was a pretty and slim morena. The other was a blonde girl who was wearing a white gown (so I couldn't fully appreciate her figure but she appeared to at least not be fat). Didn't pull the trigger at that time but I was sorely tempted.

Hell, I have a few hours left in Rio, no better way to kill some time.
"O tempora, o mores"
- DSK

Spidy

02-19-11, 22:49

Staying in Centro is more of a hassle than it is worth. The price is a little cheaper, it's close to the good spots, but it's way too much walking and way too hard to find food at night. This said after 2 times staying here. I'd rather pay +40 USD per night hotel, stay in Copa, and ride the metro to Centro like I used to do.Many many THANKS for the great reports / insights into the Rio scene as it stands as of late. Thank you for the very interesting and entertaining POVs. Definitely agree, Centro has less and less to offer these days, for night time activities. One by one things are closing and disappearing fast. Praca Maua, use to be nice hub of activity, with plenty to offer. These days it's virtually a ghost town.

Member #3439

02-20-11, 00:34

Rahsta

02-20-11, 04:58

Rio is not cheap. Neither getting there nor staying there. Flights from most destinations are $1000+ and hotels are $100+ a day. With a $2K budget that doesn't leave you money for much else.I fly from NY and I always get $750. $900. Just get the tickets 2 or 3 months ahead of time.

Rahsta

02-20-11, 05:02

Hi all,

Without browsing through 1000's of posts, anyone know where to go to get the best deals on a flight+hotel in Rio?

I don't want to spend more than $700-$800 on a flight since my total budget would be $2k.

I've been reviewing destinations such as Havana, Sosua DR, and now I'm also interested in Rio. I'll be making my choice at the end of March to leave mid-April.

Any advice is appreciatedJust get your ticket 2 or 3 month ahead of time. I fly from NY and always pay bet $700. $900. The $900 is a filght during carneval ticket.

Freedom3

02-20-11, 05:31

Golfinho

02-20-11, 06:13

Like with T65, there is a whiskeria that's clothes only. I'm sure it comes in handy for those business fellows who don't have time to change into a robe and lounge around for half of the day.:)LOL. Yours is the perspecitive of the clueless gringo tourist. The robe deal IS for the Brazilian business crowd. So they don't come home to their wives reeking of cigarette smoke, perfume, and with whatever got left in a pocket.

HungryStud101

02-20-11, 06:26

The only thing holding me back from going to Rio is that I only speak english.

Can anyone please tell me roughly what percentage of the girls at termas speak english?

I tried learning portuguese, but I just don't have a gift for languages.

(As a side note, I was planning a trip to Sao Paulo but several people told me that the percentage of escorts there who spoke english is almost zero, so I decided not to go.) I'll offer a newbie persepective since I have been to both but only once. Sao Paulo is so big it is a bit intimidating. I met english speaking Garotas at the hotel bar. I called escorts and almost none that answered spoke any English at all."Spanish" I heard. I can't do that either. SP's are everywhere in Brazil. I think you need a basic understanding of Porto to get around.

Rio on the other hand is smaller and it is easier to find english speaking cabbies. It is easy to get to the Termas and hooker bars that are concentrated in Cobacabana and many SP's could speak enough english to make the transaction. I was way less confused and intimidated by Rio. My thoughts.

I will buy Roseta Stone Porto I think

Rahsta

02-20-11, 06:36

I am getting ready for my second trip to Rio. I speak no Porto. I was going to hit Monte Carlo and L'umo and maybe cast my lot at the Balconi.

I am trying to understand why there is such a disparity between the prices at a Termas and the girls at the Privies? It just doesn't make sense. Nowhere else in hobby land (near as I can figure) can you get the same pussy for the same range of prices. R60-R80 at Tigres vs R450 at Centaurus. I am tempted to go to a privy but I am worried that I will end up on the wrong end of a stick-up. And whos going to pay R470 at Barberellas when they can get a girl at the balconi from R150-R250?

I just don't get it?Termas have a much better facilites. Robes, flip flops, Steam room, Sauna, Showers, Towels, atmosphere etc.

Rahsta

02-20-11, 06:42

Mr Enternational

02-20-11, 07:27

I prefer the whiskerias vs termas. The robes make the termas seem like, err. A gay bath house.I have a picture from years back of me and a few wingmen sitting in the beach chairs upstairs at 4X4 wearing our robes. My ex girlfriend saw it and asked what was I doing at a gay spa. If she only knew.

Rio Bob

02-20-11, 13:26

I will buy Roseta Stone Porto I thinkIf you don't want to spend the money on Rosetta stone, try this link below, it's similar format and much less money.

http://www.babbel.com/a#/flash/navigation/home

Member #3439

02-20-11, 13:28

I will buy Roseta Stone Porto I thinkIts funny how one will take on a huge task like learning a new language, even a limited-use one like Porto or Thai, just to make it easier to find good P4P sessions, isn't it? Sex is the best motivator.

All kinds of extraordinary things can happen for places with good P4P. People want to learn their language, do business there, etc.

On the business side of it, I've seen supply contracts given to Brasilian companies when they were barely capable of doing the work, just because the guys buying want excuses to go to Rio and bang WG's. Then since the supplier is so crappy, a whole lot of frequent trips are required to keep things in check and make sure they aren't 'messing up down there. ' The Brasilian companies know this and in my experience the first time you hit the country they will take you to the best ho house in their town, so you can see what you get to do when you work with them. Smart guys. I have to think that a good P4P industry plays some small factor in rise of Brasil. Everybody wants to 'work with cheap suppliers in Rio.' We know what kind of work is done and what is supplied. :)

Devilspinkick

02-20-11, 13:33

Which scene do you prefer for debauchery?

I prefer the whiskerias vs termas. The robes make the termas seem like, err. A gay bath house. I will occasionally dress up and go to the nicer clubs & boates, esp. in Sampa; however, I'm more of a casual guy and don't mind lounging around in robes or whatever. Another advantage the termas have is that I can do my sinning from noon to late evening. I usually get up around 9AM to hit the beach / workout so staying up 'til 3AM trying to get laid doesn't do it for me.

I understand your feelings about seeing other guys in various stages of undress. It is particularly disturbing when gays (er, I mean GUYS) run around with just a towel around their waist. I guess it is a Brasileiro thing cause I don't think I've ever seen a gringo do that. I just ignore the dudes in general and concentrate on the dames. And I do love to see women half naked. Even better in the FKKs of Europe when the gals are practically in their birthday suits. It's nice to see a woman in a hot dress but sometimes they can hide things under all that flashy glitter. If I had my own bible that would definitely be a commandment: "Thou dames shall not false advertise thou hotness of thy flesh!".

BTW. Yeh, I spent a bit of time in Sampa also. Wanted to go back to Curitiba but travel plans didn't pan out.

Maybe later.

- DSK

Alex Deuce

02-20-11, 14:30

Its funny how one will take on a huge task like learning a new language, even a limited-use one like Porto or Thai, just to make it easier to find good P4P sessions, isn't it? Sex is the best motivator.

All kinds of extraordinary things can happen for places with good P4P. People want to learn their language, do business there, etc.

On the business side of it, I've seen supply contracts given to Brasilian companies when they were barely capable of doing the work, just because the guys buying want excuses to go to Rio and bang WG's. Then since the supplier is so crappy, a whole lot of frequent trips are required to keep things in check and make sure they aren't 'messing up down there. ' The Brasilian companies know this and in my experience the first time you hit the country they will take you to the best ho house in their town, so you can see what you get to do when you work with them. Smart guys. I have to think that a good P4P industry plays some small factor in rise of Brasil. Everybody wants to 'work with cheap suppliers in Rio. ' We know what kind of work is done and what is supplied. . Thats not been my experience. If your poor at your job they yank your visa and void the contract in that order. ALL BIG CONTRACTS & ESPECIALLY SUPPLY have performance clauses. At the blue colar worker level its do as in Rome (but we actually session) Management, having a "PUBLIC" GDP Monger rep with an inability to control your workers will get you Black Balled from future jobs. They bring in outside contractors not for simple labor but for Project management strength (P. O. C.) & experience of intelectual / technology not in Country. Labor is the last thing they need and will quickly remove hendrences to on time delivery and quality.

Generally the big Debauchery scene is saved for the end of contract celebration. Hower, the sales reps live in a continual hedonistic frenzy as they have the expense accounts and all they have to show inorder to justify the expense is a signed supply agreement.

Great Post from your trips However!

HungryStud101

02-20-11, 18:12

Benjoe

02-20-11, 22:53

Which Termas, Privy, bar scene has the best collection of hot white chicks? If Centaurus is #1 than who is #2. If 4x4 is #2 than what Termas, Privy, or bar scene that is open on weekends is #3?

ThanksI don't know about Centaurus, but Solarium seems to have a skin shade test when hiring. The vast majority of garotas are white.

Deltron

02-21-11, 03:10

Hello all,

Has anyone seen Alessandra (the infamous "Mini me") in the last couple of months? What's she up to, and is she still thick as remembered? Also, anyone have any recents shots (or videos) or her?

Exec Talent

02-21-11, 10:37

Hello, all,

Has anyone seen Alessandra (the infamous "Mini me") in the last couple of months? What's she up to, and is she still thick as remembered? Also, anyone have any recents shots (or videos) or her? A quick review of your 11 posts in 3+ years shows that you are all about taking and not about giving. One has to doubt if you have ever even been to Brazil. This forum is about people contributing their experiences and not for voyeurs. Before others waste their time responding to your posts I hope they consider the source of the request.

Golfinho

02-21-11, 13:51

Its funny how one will take on a huge task like learning a new language, even a limited-use one like Porto or Thai, just to make it easier to find good P4P sessions, isn't it? Sex is the best motivator.Without the sex angle, crews could never have been recruited to man the ships that sailed on voyages of discovery from the 15th century onward. Guys would put up with months or even years of hell to have their couple weeks of shore leave and the chance to get at the native women.

Euro100

02-21-11, 16:32

The only thing holding me back from going to Rio is that I only speak english.

Can anyone please tell me roughly what percentage of the girls at termas speak english?

I tried learning portuguese, but I just don't have a gift for languages.

(As a side note, I was planning a trip to Sao Paulo but several people told me that the percentage of escorts there who spoke english is almost zero, so I decided not to go.) It depends which terma. At Centaurus most girls have pretty good command of English. L'uomo has several, as do other termas in the Copa / Ipanema area. Centro: a lot of the girls know only a few words of English. Privates: Pretty much nobody. The escorts on riosexsite_dot_net (replace the _dot_ with a period in your browser; the forum software does not let me write this correctly.) list if they speak English. Places like Balcony: no problem.

BUt I have been coming to Rio for a couple of decades and do not speak porto. Doesn't matter. I don't come to Rio for meaningful conversations, I come for sex. The girls all understand that. And if you have a garota's tongue in your mouth, it's kinda hard to talk anyway. Smiling, laughing, kissing, touching get you much further than the most finely crafted sentence in Portuguese.

And if all else fails, there is always google translate.

Regarding your side note: I find Sampa in general much less conducive to mongering. My advice would be to stick with Rio. Read some of the reports of distinction and follow what those people do, and you will have a great time.

Deltron

02-21-11, 18:01

A quick review of your 11 posts in 3+ years shows that you are all about taking and not about giving. One has to doubt if you have ever even been to Brazil. This forum is about people contributing their experiences and not for voyeurs. Before others waste their time responding to your posts I hope they consider the source of the request.Most of my posts come via private message. I rarely make public posts. Anyway, it was a simple question. No need to get all high and mighty, especially if we're talking about fucking prostitutes (essentially that is what this is all about).

Poucolouco

02-22-11, 00:41

Most of my posts come via private message. I rarely make public posts. Anyway, it was a simple question. No need to get all high and mighty, especially if we're talking about fucking prostitutes (essentially that is what this is all about).You can find Alessandra Rosa (Mini Me) on Facebook. Add her profile number to the end of the Facebook URL. /profile. Php? I'd=1373900890

Bubba Boy

02-22-11, 14:02

You can find Alessandra Rosa (Mini Me) on Facebook. Add her profile number to the end of the Facebook URL. /profile. Php? I'd=1373900890She is engaged to some dude from NY, there goes another happy marriage.

Bubba Boy

02-23-11, 14:50

Love this song. Solteiro no Rio de Janeiro. (single in Rio de Janeiro).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzCIqgBk5iA

Ryjerrob

02-23-11, 16:37

Love this song. Solteiro no Rio de Janeiro. (single in Rio de Janeiro).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzCIqgBk5iAI like his stuff. I have a copy of the movie Orfeu where I was first exposed to him.

Exec Talent

02-23-11, 19:46

You can find Alessandra Rosa (Mini Me) on Facebook. Add her profile number to the end of the Facebook URL. /profile. Php? I'd=1373900890Since you know her so well, how was your experience with her? Is Facebook the preferred way to contact her? Certainly you got her permission before posting her Facebook link on a public forum.

Bubba Boy

02-23-11, 20:39

Certainly you got her permission before posting her Facebook link on a public forum.I don't think you would need anyone's permission to post a link to someones facebook account. Once you have a facebook account you must assume your details are available to pretty much available to anyone.

Exec Talent

02-23-11, 21:58

I don't think you would need anyone's permission to post a link to someones facebook account. Once you have a facebook account you must assume your details are available to pretty much available to anyone.Unfortunately, some people who establish Facebook accounts do not know that they can control their privacy settings and they also might not anticipate that someone would post a link to their account on a public forum.

Eric Cartman

02-24-11, 02:20

First time visit to the 4x4 Whiskeria tonight. Got there around 8. 30. R$40 entrance that is put towards consumption. Had a Cuba Libre with Bacardi Gold for R$20 of it. Got to keep the can of Coke.

Initially thought it would be a pretty good spot. Inside is nice, well-kept, red vinyl banquettes and little tables, fiber optic light displays. 2 stages with poles including one pole that is the drop-down from the Boate above. Kind of felt like a Chinese restaurant be / see of the decor. Not a huge number of girls but a nicer, quieter place. Lots of Brazilians in suits.

The issue is that very few girls were rotating through. And, on top of that, some annoying gay guy got on the sound system to do his "strip club DJ" impersonation for about 20 minutes, constantly shouting into the microphone as about 6 different girls rotated on the stages. Couldn't take it and had to bail.

Not sure if there was any way to get up to the Boate w / o paying full price, but probably not.

Sunset Strip

02-24-11, 03:28

Since you know her so well, how was your experience with her? Is Facebook the preferred way to contact her? Certainly you got her permission before posting her Facebook link on a public forum.I see your point. But I also noticed that she has her privacy settings set pretty well. She has obviously chosen what she wants people to see. On the other hand, I would not post her information. But that is just me personally.

SS

Member #3439

02-24-11, 03:45

Sorry, man, are you sure you posted them? As far as I remember, you said that unfortunately SD card wasn't in your camera when you met Bella, so "10/10 and no pics".I just checked my pics posts 6/26 - 7/2 and I think you are right. I remembered I had left my SD card in the PC the first time, but thought maybe I went back again and got a shot. Guess not!

Anyway, after seeing her in real lighting outside Florida, and sober, I have to downgrade that to 8/10 because she's probably 5 years past prime for WGs. [25-27 is prime time in my opinion because girls under 25 often have poor sex skills and beauty tends to fade rapidly after 27] But the sex is 10/10. Bella is worth a spin for anyone in the Praca Maua area, its like having a 4x4 girl at half the price and twice as nasty. She can be found in working in Club Florida, or sometimes drinking with friends at picnic tables outside Bar Florida on nights off. Must be a local. Tall, loira, about 30, constantly acts like she's cranked up. Cant miss her.

Without the sex angle, crews could never have been recruited to man the ships that sailed on voyages of discovery from the 15th century onward. Guys would put up with months or even years of hell to have their couple weeks of shore leave and the chance to get at the native women.

Damn, Golfinho. Some things never change. Sounds like modern office workers. If I had the shittiest project in the world, 1 year long with 6 day weeks and 10 hr days and it included meetings in Rio at the end, there would be a line of volunteers a mile long wanting to work that project for a chance to go to Rio for free and get their chance at the native women.

Eric Cartman

02-26-11, 04:00

back from a friday visit to mc. had been there last night after getting out of work and going to the gym. probably got there around 9. 30 and it was a bit empty without much talent. ended up going with a slim little spinner, carina, who i've been seeing outside mc for r$200. so it says something that i paid "market prices" to bang her there.

tonight, got in around 7. 15pm after work. cracking place. lots more girls, many new attractive faces. surprised me. sat next to a girl named fernanda, slim, tan, pixie-like face. apparently ex-help girl who just moved back from 2 years in ireland "studying english." she seemed really cute and, well, new. did some basics to set the ground rules. doesn't take a shot in the mouth, doesn't take it in the ass, says she can suck deep. my interest was fluctuating. she then asked me how many days since i came last, and when i said only 1 (last night's visit) , she said "ok, i'll let you come in my mouth" . i'm like, that's service. in the cabine, reasonable bj but offset by bad habit of biting my lower lip and scraping it against her teeth every time we kissed. and, frankly, a little bit of odor down below. ok a healthy amount, which is a big negative. she also insisted on speaking english and was a little feisty, so chalk that up to experience.

back in the boate, saw yasime, a tall multatta, a bit thicker / bigger body-builder type. always wears black boots. i've been trying to nail her on a past few visits, including last night when she was busy. tonight, i honed in. went right up to her, chatted, said i needed some time to recuperate. about 40 mins later, we headed up to the room. magnificent performance. incredible, deep, smooth head, looking at me the whole time. fresh as a daisy down below. fantastic pussy control during sex and liked me playing with her butthole. my faith is restored!

hung out with her a while in the boate afterwards. on checkout, was happy to see they correctly recorded my free entrance (frequent visitor program). but on the list of charges, there were 3 chopps that i hadn't ordered. along with about 3 other drinks that i had. i explained this and they called down the tall gay waiter. he said "the girl next to you ordered them on your key." i'm like, look, i kept my key on my wrist the whole time, and i know what the first girl and second girl ordered. so they called down the skinny manager dude. i explained to him, and finally he relented saying "if you're happy, i'm happy." i'm like, dude, it's r$20.the amount is small, but it's the principle. i just dropped r$530 and i'm on your frequent fucker program. so thankfully they came around. surprised the waiter tried to sell me out like that. i told him directly, i didn't order anything from you. i went to the bar the whole time. weak.

still, thanks to yasmine, faith restored!

Amerioca

02-27-11, 04:36

Member #3439

02-27-11, 06:23

LOL. Yours is the perspecitive of the clueless gringo tourist. The robe deal IS for the Brazilian business crowd. So they don't come home to their wives reeking of cigarette smoke, perfume, and with whatever got left in a pocket.Be careful when editing nested quote fields. That's DevilSpinKick's post that you were responding to, not mine. In any case, no one deserves such a response.

Eric Cartman

02-27-11, 15:14

Exec Talent

02-27-11, 16:48

Well folks, Carnival is right around the corner and it's my first one in Rio. On the other hand, there are 2 issues I face.

1) My company is remaining open and working during Carnival (got to drive those engineers to release product end of March)

2) I'm a cynical, lazy bastard who hates crowds

With those in mind, can anyone suggest that 1-2 "must sees" during Carnival, so I can check the box and at least tell people I experienced it? PM's welcomed or make fun of my here.

-CartmanSambodromo & Scala Ball (many but Gay Costume Ball is a favorite)

http://www.rio-carnival.net/

The costumes and floats are a must see. Anything associated with the gays I found to be creative and a lot of fun. Otherwise many of the street parades are just an excuse for people to get drunk and make a lot of noise. I find the "music" monotonous and after listening to it for a week or so you will think waterboarding might have been a better option. Other than renting out their apartments for a week to make a few extra bucks there are reasons that locals of means leave town during this time.

HungryStud101

02-27-11, 18:32

Back from a Friday visit to MC. Had been there last night after getting out of work and going to the gym. Probably got there around 9. 30 and it was a bit empty without much talent. Ended up going with a slim little spinner, Carina, who I've been seeing outside MC for R$200. So it says something that I paid "market prices" to bang her there.

Still, thanks to Yasmine, faith restored! I was just at Monte Carlo. I laid eyes on a petite Louro the moment I walked in and spent the entire night with her. God I fell head-over-heels for this girl and we had a great session in the cabine.

I have been to the termas in Rio only twice. Once at Centaurus and now once at Monte Carlo. The talent at MC was as good as the talent I saw at Centaurus for Several R's less. Now I drank more and had a massage so I ended up spending as much as I did in Centaurus but I got better service with a girl that was just as hot watching girls that were just as hot and not as pushy.

The girl at Centaurus pointed to the shower after we were finished. The girl from MC met me at my hotel and fucked me to death and asked for nothing more than cab fare. I love this girl. I will see her again. Now how is that for service?

In fact

Sunset Strip

02-27-11, 18:49

Well folks, Carnival is right around the corner and it's my first one in Rio. On the other hand, there are 2 issues I face.

1) My company is remaining open and working during Carnival (got to drive those engineers to release product end of March)

2) I'm a cynical, lazy bastard who hates crowds

With those in mind, can anyone suggest that 1-2 "must sees" during Carnival, so I can check the box and at least tell people I experienced it? PM's welcomed or make fun of my here.

-CartmanSince you do not like crowds, I assume you do not want to go to the Sambodromo during Carnaval proper.

However, there is still a way to see the Sambodromo.

Today is the last day to go to the Sambodromo to watch the schools practice. After the practice the crowd gets to March and dance along with the school through the parade route. These practices are totally free. But, again, tonight is the last one.

Last practice:

February 27th – Sunday – Unidos the Tijuca (10PM)

SS

Genghis Khan

02-28-11, 10:15

Regarding your side note: I find Sampa in general much less conducive to mongering. My advice would be to stick with Rio. Read some of the reports of distinction and follow what those people do, and you will have a great time.Well, I think that depends on entirely what you are looking for.

Rio is a big tourist sex magnet. I think it is more catered to the guys looking for what I would call a porn star experience. Great looking girls, lower prices, magnificent performances but more by-the-hour non-GFE kind of service. Of course there are exceptions but the escort agencies and the termas which is what most Rio fans prefer provides this kind of service. Because Rio is more catered towards tourists there are also more girls speaking English and other non-Porto languages.

Sao Paulo certainly has a much wider selection of choices than Rio. There are no termas (maybe except one) but the boate (nightclub) scene is very good as opposed to similar boates in Rio like Barbarella. The girls in Sao Paulo are more of a mixed type than Rio with a lot more choices of looks and race to choose from. The girls here are just as great looking with the same magnificent performance but their looks are more mixed than the typical morena garota from Rio. On general Sao Paulo is more expensive but since the selection is so large there are also a lot to sample on the less expensive side. Basicly though my observation is that the girls in SP are more catered towards the GFE, all-night experience unless you call someone from a website or escort agency which is also by the hour.

So it all comes down to what you are looking for. Pornstar experience or girlfriend experience. As I said this is what I consider the general situation. There are of course a lot of exceptions. You also need to take into consideration the higher prices and wider selection in Sao Paulo and also the sheer size of the city. The trafic is crazy especially during rush hour. I would also like to add that I have not been to either SP nor Rio in a year but have traveled extensively to SP before that and a few times to Rio too.

PS! To avoid confusing here is my definition of girl friend esperience (GFE) and pornstar experience (PSE):
GFE - a longer date maybe including dinner where the girl puts more of herself into your time together which most of the time ends by the girl staying the night with sex without a lot of rules of what she will not do or allow you to do.

PSE - a short date timed by the clock where her only objective is to please you sexually but she might have a few restrictions on what she will do and allow you to do.

GK

Bubba Boy

02-28-11, 13:53

A big Hi to Genghis for venturing on the Rio board. Firstly just let me say how much I enjoyed your posts on São Paulo over the years. My 2 cents on this subject based on visiting São Paulo probably 20 times over the years and of course staying in Rio a number of years is as follows.

I think the biggest difference is the type of clubs, that is São Paulo has more boate type clubs, Barabarellas being Rio's poor equivalent. While Rio has more Termas. São Paulo also has more "Clinicas", while Rio has more "prives", this being the 1hr type deals.

The 2 cities differ enormously. São Paulo is a huge spread out city with not much for tourists to do. One could say it is an ugly city. Rio on the other hand has beautiful beaches, a stunningly dramatic backdrop of Granite peaks and lots of tourist things to do. As far as a tourist staying for a week, Rio really is the much better choice.

Variety of women. Totally agree with GK here. São Paulo has a more mixed bunch of GDP's. There are a lot more "white" skinned GDP's than your typical Rio Morena / Mulatta. If you like the "white euro" look São Paulo could be an option for you. If you like the Morena look probably best to stay in Rio.

Service. This is where I disagree with GK. Now for those of you who don't know GK's posts, he has no problem spending R$500+++ on a date. Some of the São Paulo club can be up to R$1000. Hence what GK thinks as a "normal" kind of service, ie dinner, all night Ultra GFE etc is probably not the norm. In my experience the service in São Paulo for a normal budget ie grabbing a girl from Kilt for the night, is about the same as Rio. What I rarely find in São Paulo is girls that come over after work to hang out for free. In Rio this is very very common and this is where you get the Ultra GFE, any girl that comes over for free will do anything and I do mean anything. As I said in Rio, the girls just like to party and gladly bug you to come over for free or go to some club afterwards.

Final summary: They say in Brazil São Paulo is where you go to work, Rio is where you go to have fun. For a first time visitor you would really want to start in Rio unless of course you have a business type reason to be in São Paulo. I will of course qualify my opinion, I never could really find what I was looking for in São Paulo because I like the mixed color way more than the predominant "white" look of Sampa.

Escort Addict

02-28-11, 18:46

Got to spend a few days in Rio a little while ago, did a little reading on sites like this for education, and dove in.

Stayed in an apartment I found on line, and understand that I saved myself a lot of hassle in getting girls up to my room. Apartment was a dive though, and I was embarrassed bringing girls there, but they did not seem to mind at all.

So I made all the beginner mistakes, and you can all shake your heads. Stayed at Copocabana, frequented the Balcony Bar mostly. (Bar on Avenue Atlantica facing the beach, non-stop parade of escorts trolling the place looking for customers). Night one, connected with a lovely Barbarella (strip joint) dancer, settled on a R$300 price, only to find out later that was for a one shot at my place. Ripped off. She did offer to go to Barbarella's with me, have some drinks, and then come back to my place, but that was going to be 5 am by the time we got back, too late for me, was expecting mega R$ for drinks, and then the unknown of more negotiations for morning. Lesson learned.

Night 2 trolled Balcony again, but found a lovely young Amazonian. Talked and drank a bit, then we took off to Lapa for some clubs and dancing, finally got back to my apartment for 2ish. Lovely sex after, and then morning too. Gave ger R$400 for the night, she seemed happy with that.

Afternoon 3 went to termas Monte Carlo. Nice collection of lovelies. Got some good intel from some other visitors and locals I talked to in the saunas. My problem is that there is only one cabine there with a shower, and frankly, seeing how busy the girls were, I just could not get my head around the tongue bath I wanted to give any one of the girls without the availability of a shower to scrub all the other guys off of them. Left without partaking, but really didn't think it was such a good deal anyway. 40 minutes for about R$250 with a girl (memory may have my numbers off by R$10 or 20).

Night 3 at Balcony's. I was getting bored of the place and same faces, and none of them were looking upscale, mostly trollers and fast deals. I was tired anyway, so made a deal with 2 cuties to do a lesbian show for me in the hourly hotel around the corner. R$85 for the hotel room (can't recall if it was good for 2 or 4 hours) , and spent a while negotiating the girls to R$400 for the 2 hour lesbo show, with full access for me if I wished. The show was good, they seemed into each other, at least they made me believe it which is their job. Problem is 2 girls, me no Portuguese and them no English, they just spend most of the time yakkin and laughin, make me feel too much like some 5th wheel, not the client. Oh well, good and bad.

I know most of you regulars will kill me about what I paid, but I really did not get the sense that I could have haggled down much more. Certainly there were senior and less attractive girls, and no doubt the mythical R$150-200 would have got them for the night, but absolutley no interest. Oh well, that was my shot at Rio, now off to some other country, where my single minded pursuit for sex will completely destroy any chance of actually having a touristy vacation!

Lorenzo

02-28-11, 19:05

Pornstar experience or girlfriend experience.To me they are the same thing. I would want any girlfriend-or a wife, for that matter-to be a pornstar in bed.

This may explain why I don't get married.

Genghis Khan

02-28-11, 19:26

Hi Bubba Boy.

Thanks for the kind words. I would like to add that there are very few members posting on the Brazil boards who serves as such a big inspiration as you. Your guide to Rio is unvaluable to a lot of people.

Secondly you certainly are right about the touristic aspects of the two cities. Rio must be one of the most beautiful cities in the world whereas Sampa probably must rank at the other end of the scale. Rio also has its beaches. Sampa can not compete when it comes to tourist activities although Sampa quickly is rising as one of the most interesting cities on the planet in terms of regular nightlife (restaurants, bars and nightclubs).

As for your opinions regarding service, I can see your point that my opinion about Sampa could be distorted by not sampling the less priced services as much. However the last few years I have spent more time with some Sampa locals I know who prefer the midpriced services better. At these trips there has always been a lot of girls (pros) just hanging out with us without any preasure to pay them anything unless of course I have decided to take them to bed. I think the Sampa girls are less used to non-Portuguese speaking men and are reserved towards these men because they are afraid og language problems. Their carioca sisters are much more used to tourists and because of that unafraid of language barrieres because they are used to handle that issue every day. I think that might be the reason why you have found the carioca garotas more open to just spending time with you.

Having said that your experience in these matters outgun mine by the size of John Holmes dick so I will also leave the door open for the fact that you simply might be right and I might be wrong concerning the service issue.

GK

Genghis Khan

02-28-11, 19:30

To me they are the same thing. I would want any girlfriend-or a wife, for that matter-to be a pornstar in bed.

This may explain why I don't get married. I agree. The differance is in the restrictions on what she will put of herself into your encounter in besides the sex as well as the restrictons on time and what she will do and allow you to do during sex to avoid it being too personal for her.

GK

Bubba Boy

02-28-11, 20:45

I think the summary of our posts are that we have both found our niche to where we can get the services that we want in the respective cities. I personally have just never felt comfortable in Sampa, probably because I can't get into the "white euro" look that dominates in Sampa and the further south you get.

As far as your comments go as me being an "expert" on Rio. There probably is no such thing. I struggle from time to time like an amateur. This weekend was a real pain in the ass, It looks like I have lost my 2 best freebies on the same day. 1 was so crazy I just can't see her anymore. I had to go cold turkey on her or end up in a mental institution. The second one, who is super cool, no hassle, turns up on time to the minute, has just disappeared. In my opinion both were 9's in looks and performance. Hence I a bit depressed right now.

Carlos Primeros

03-01-11, 00:42

Hi Bubba, Hi GK.

Bubba. I have the same problem with Sampa like you. I like the bundas and the "tone" of the skin, I like the bach and the termas, I like the good restaurants all in a relative closed space. I like the sight of the "beach-girls" with their "fios-de-dentes". Their friendlyness and their joy of life.

Sampa is simply too big, to spread out, you have to drive too long distances and the traffice is a chaos. The metro in Rio made it much easier to travel nowadays (remember 10 years back?). Anyhow, I have relatives in Sampa and when I am there, I have to pass by. They love it and they think it is the best town in Brasil.. Each to his own!

I do not like to overpay and the prices in Sampa for the same services as in Rio are at least 50 % higher. That is why many girls from Rio are travelling to Sampa for work. They simply get there more money. Also the industry is around Sampa, the salaries in Sampa are almost twice as high as they are in Rio. (living-expenses are also considerably higher)

That reminds me to the old saying here in Portugal: You work in Porto and you enjoy yourself in Lisbon. The same applies to Sampa and Rio.

GK: Your reports are always interesting.

Bubba: I am looking forward to your next update. Your Rio-guide is a marvel for all the beginners and even I learn from time to time new things. Keep up the good work.

Carlos Primeros.

Deposed King of Portugal

Bubba Boy

03-01-11, 03:02

Hey Carlos, are you still in exile? . My guide is all but done, ready to be proof read and then uploaded. As a follow up to my last post. 1 of the girls that I thought was lost has just been found. Never underestimate how bad the Brazilian cell carriers are, they just don't deliver text messages for days at a time.

I rarely post pics, this was of a cool night at VIPS with a cent girl, happy days!

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EmilioTheGreat

03-01-11, 05:58

Hello, Guys,

Never been to Rio, but I've heard many stories. And to say the least, I'm trying to go as soon as I can. I have a few days off from work the weekend of Good Friday, so I figured that I would take a couple of extra days and it would give me 5 days in Rio. Only problem is that I'm not sure if this is a good time to visit Rio. Has anyone ever visited Rio during this time. If so, I would like some feedback. Will the party areas and termas be really slow around this time due to the holiday?

Java Man

03-01-11, 06:32

I figured that I would take a couple of extra days and it would give me 5 days in Rio.Is it safe to assume, you are flying in from the US of A? If so, are you aware that it requires a day of travel to and from the US? Leaving you only 3 days on the ground in Rio. You'll only be able to get a room at a hotel for that short a stay. Also the cheaper Centro termas are closed on weekends.

Brazil Specialist

03-01-11, 07:36

If you want quality sessions with GFE, BBBJ, CIM, etc focus on the mid-range termas, bars and apartments. Last time, I wasted a lot of time in BA85, U210, VM etc with nothing to show but blue balls, a stack of spitty condoms, and a high score. This time, I didn't even stop by.

Staying in Centro is more of a hassle than it is worth. The price is a little cheaper, it's close to the good spots, but it's way too much walking and way too hard to find food at night. This said after 2 times staying here. I'd rather pay +40 USD per night hotel, stay in Copa, and ride the metro to Centro like I used to do. If you want to go out at night, and in Copa, yes. Now if you are willing to f. Ck yourself silly starting at 9 am till 8pm, you are very well served downtown. Do 3 girls for 60, 3 girls for 20, total of 240. Add another 100 for tips and drinks. The price of one girl in a termas.

Have dinner at 5 or pm, or take a sandwich home for later.

First I want to say that I am impressed with how little by little they are improving the infrastructure around the city. Good to see that at least some of the increased costs are going towards making things better. Love the workout stations along the beach; hope that they open up a "Muscle Beach" type of place somewhere in Copa or Ipa.There is a free muscle beach in changing places. Lost track of it right now, after it left Ipanema. A real gym, sponsored by Amil health insurance. Other then that there are some exercise areas with cheap concrete weights, the best in Arpoador, at the very end, where the rocks are, in front of "Praia do diabo".

I don't waste my time with the low-end termas / bordellos. I'm rather picky and have enough trouble finding the type of woman that I like (skinny with a nice little butt) at the mid-range Termas. The only Termas I really consider high-range is Centaurus and they annoy me too much, plus the quality of gals aren't any better than at the mid-range places. As an aside I will admit that I've had good times there in the past but the last time I visited the place was perhaps two years ago. Anyway.

I also happened to pass by Lovely Rio massage and check out the talent. Only a couple of women there at 8PM on a Saturday night. But they were both attractive? How did this happen? One was a pretty and slim morena. The other was a blonde girl who was wearing a white gown (so I couldn't fully appreciate her figure but she appeared to at least not be fat). Didn't pull the trigger at that time but I was sorely tempted.

- DSKWhat is lovely Rio Massage?

You call Monte Carlo mid price? For me R$ 60-90 massage place downtown is mid-price. Up to R$ 35 is low price. I am talking about the cheapest shortest program which might be fairly short.

Too bad you left, I would challenge you to find your dream girl for R$ 25. If you know where to go and how to search, you find amazing quality. Met plenty of girls for R$ 25 that the week later got instant job offers at L'Uomo and R$ 400 per hour programs from private Brazilian clients through a introduction service.

I don't think you would need anyone's permission to post a link to someones facebook account. Once you have a facebook account you must assume your details are available to pretty much available to anyone.Most don't like their facebook account to be linked to WHORING. It is private. Unless she is totally out of the closet, a real public professional working girl.

You probably would not like getting messages from prostitutes all over the world delivered to your facebook account.

Afternoon 3 went to termas Monte Carlo. Nice collection of lovelies. Got some good intel from some other visitors and locals I talked to in the saunas. My problem is that there is only one cabine there with a shower, and frankly, seeing how busy the girls were, I just could not get my head around the tongue bath I wanted to give any one of the girls without the availability of a shower to scrub all the other guys off of them. Left without partaking, but really didn't think it was such a good deal anyway. 40 minutes for about R$250 with a girl (memory may have my numbers off by R$10 or 20).

! Termas is a bath house. You missed the entire floor of showers and saunas. The girls have their own showers, too.

So sure it is nice to have a shower in the room, but everyone can and is supposed to get their showers.

Interestingly, there are lots of cheap places with showers in the room. 22 in Copacabana, some places downtown and in Tijuca for under R$ 80, .

EmilioTheGreat

03-01-11, 15:59

Is it safe to assume, you are flying in from the US of A? If so, are you aware that it requires a day of travel to and from the US? Leaving you only 3 days on the ground in Rio. You'll only be able to get a room at a hotel for that short a stay. Also the cheaper Centro termas are closed on weekends.Thanks Java Man. I will be leaving from the US on Tuesday night and arrriving in Rio on Wednesday morning around 10am. I will be leaving Rio on Sunday night around 10pm and arriving back to the US Monday morning. I assume that I could visit the termas in the Centro district on Wednesday and Thursday, not sure about Friday since it will be a holiday (Good Friday). If the termas are closed that day, I was hoping that Copa would be lively during the weekend. I've heard a lot about Balcony Bar. Since I'm a newbie I was hoping that someone could giv me a little advice on whether or not Copa would be good to visit during the Good Friday holiday. I would hate to come all the way to Rio and not get to experience any of the great action that I have been hearing about.

Bubba Boy

03-01-11, 21:33

Thanks Java Man. I will be leaving from the US on Tuesday night and arrriving in Rio on Wednesday morning around 10am. I will be leaving Rio on Sunday night around 10pm and arriving back to the US Monday morning. I assume that I could visit the termas in the Centro district on Wednesday and Thursday, not sure about Friday since it will be a holiday (Good Friday). If the termas are closed that day, I was hoping that Copa would be lively during the weekend. I've heard a lot about Balcony Bar. Since I'm a newbie I was hoping that someone could giv me a little advice on whether or not Copa would be good to visit during the Good Friday holiday. I would hate to come all the way to Rio and not get to experience any of the great action that I have been hearing about.Read this before you go, it will give you good start.

http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2191-Bubba-Boy-s-Rio-Guide&p=1092906#post1092906

Eric Cartman

03-02-11, 04:47

Nostress

03-02-11, 09:55

You call Monte Carlo mid price? For me R$ 60-90 massage place downtown is mid-price. Up to R$ 35 is low price. I am talking about the cheapest shortest program which might be fairly short.I agree with Brazil Specialist, mid-price for me is R$ 100 massage offices in downtown. There are some good places with this price.

Bubba Boy

03-02-11, 12:09

Give me the draft and I will proof it this weekend.I will finish it next week and you can have it on the weekend. This week is carnaval. No work gets done on carnaval week.

Genghis Khan

03-02-11, 18:31

I am heading to Rio during the period March 28 to April 8. It would be fun if some of the regulars here were around to show why Rio beats SP and give me some insiders tips on how to enjoy this city best.

GK

Bubba Boy

03-02-11, 19:12

Genghis Khan

03-02-11, 19:50

Check your PM senor!You too have a PM Mentor.

GK

Genghis Khan

03-02-11, 21:49

BTW, a question for the non-Brazilians working in Rio. How do you as a non-residential open an account in a Brazilian Bank?

GK

Carlos Primeros

03-03-11, 00:22

Hi GK,

You need a tax-number to open a bank-account. To get a tax-number you must have some kind of proof of residency. Without this. No tax-number. With no tax-number no bank-account.

CP

Mr Enternational

03-03-11, 03:32

You need a tax-number to open a bank-account. To get a tax-number you must have some kind of proof of residency. Without this. No tax-number. With no tax-number no bank-account.Actually you don't need proof of residency to get a tax number. I had a tax number and no residency and could not open an account because I did not have the proper visa. I had a tourist visa. Banco do Brasil recommended that I go to the branches in Miami or New York if I wanted to bank with them. For people with a residency visa or work visa it should not be a problem.

Poucolouco

03-03-11, 03:40

Actually you don't need proof of residency to get a tax number. I had a tax number and no residency and could not open an account because I did not have the proper visa. I had a tourist visa. Banco do Brasil recommended that I go to the branches in Miami or New York if I wanted to bank with them. For people with a residency visa or work visa it should not be a problem.You need a permanent visa (visto de permanência) and a Registro Nacional de Estrangeiros (RNE)

Eric Cartman

03-03-11, 04:23

You need a permanent visa (visto de permanência) and a Registro Nacional de Estrangeiros (RNE)This is correct. And it is fucking hard to get. And even when you get it, the banks will fuck it up. Me and my partner applied with the same permanent visas and same RNEs (which, by the way, are issued on a temporary basis at first for up to 180+ days). The bank, HSBC, approved his account and denied mine. Because different muppets looked at our applications. I had to point this out to them and they finally agreed. Note HSBC was the 4th bank we tried. Banco do Brasil refused to do anything, Itau punted, and Santander hemmed and hawed. Despite banking our company. Finally HSBC came through and then. 2 weeks later, Santander. It took me nearly 2 months after getting my permanent visa and my (temporary) RNE.

So enjoy the path!

Eric Cartman

03-03-11, 04:24

Hi GK,

You need a tax-number to open a bank-account. To get a tax-number you must have some kind of proof of residency. Without this. No tax-number. With no tax-number no bank-account.

CPWrong. CPFs are relatively easy to get even if it takes time and BS process. As Pocolocou says you need a permanent visa and an RNE for a bank account.

Ipanema Carioca

03-03-11, 07:58

Wrong. CPFs are relatively easy to get even if it takes time and BS process. As Pocolocou says you need a permanent visa and an RNE for a bank account.I have a CPF. But why would one want to have a Brazilian bank account, when those of us who know Brazil know that their method of doing business is less to be desired. Lastly, when I asked Brazilians about opening a Brazilian account they laughed and said that Brazilian banks are less than 5th rate to gringo banks.

Genghis Khan

03-03-11, 18:12

I have a CPF. But why would one want to have a Brazilian bank account, when those of us who know Brazil know that their method of doing business is less to be desired. Lastly, when I asked Brazilians about opening a Brazilian account they laughed and said that Brazilian banks are less than 5th rate to gringo banks.The reason would be that at least when I travel to SP most girls require cash payment and my budget usually is higher than I consider comfortable bringing as cash. Additionally the limit pr day at the ATMs are too low.

If I could wire money from home to my brazilian account before I leave home, I could withdraw cash from the cashiers counter instead and avoid the ATM limit.

GK

Bubba Boy

03-03-11, 18:36

the reason would be that at least when i travel to sp most girls require cash payment and my budget usually is higher than i consider comfortable bringing as cash. additionally the limit pr day at the atms are too low.

if i could wire money from home to my brazilian account before i leave home, i could withdraw cash from the cashiers counter instead and avoid the atm limit.

gka brazilian account is a major pain in the ass with high fees etc. if you wire money from your home account the central bank takes about 5% fee off the fx rate. everything just costs money when dealing with the inefficient brazilian economy.

the best way to use a large amount of cash each day is to bring your limit in in cash, which is r$10, 000. then bring as many atm cards as you require. my citibank card allows 2 x r$1000 withdrawals per day at the citibank atm's. my hsbc card also allows this but strangely only at the citibank atm, hence i can get r$4000 per day. if i required more than that i would just get another card. most people will need to call their bank to up their limit that they can withdraw per day ie, standard amount with citibank was r$1000, after i called them they upped the limit to r$2000, but it must be in 2 separate tranrep001ions.

Roadmovie

03-03-11, 19:02

Hi I am a photographer working for US porn and erotic magazines. Arrived in Rio a few days ago (comming weeks I will be in Sampa) and would need help casting girls in termas for photoshootings, as my Portugues is practically non-existent. I Once have been helped by a Brasilian guy for this couple of years ago, but he is not available right now. Also maybe people here have tips were I can find more english speaking girls. Thank you so much!

Genghis Khan

03-03-11, 19:15

Bubba Boy

03-03-11, 20:00

Poucolouco

03-03-11, 21:52

Thanks for the tip Bubba Boy.

I think there is no real limit to the amount of cash you can bring to Brazil as long as you declare it on entry to the country.

This is at least the information I found on the official customs pages on the internet.

Have I misunderstood something?

GKYou can carry any amount as long as you declare excess of R$ 10, 000 on your baggage declaration form. As you go through customs they usually take you to a private room to examine and count your holdings (checks, currency, travellers checks) They will question you about the purpose of bringing the money to Brasil. After this procedure, it is a good idea to take a radio-dispatched taxi to your destination, (e. G. Cootramo) and watch your backside.

Wire transfers cost $60 from US to Brasi at HSBC regardless of the amount being transferred. HSBC uses the daily Tourismo cambio rate at the time you make your withdrawal.

http://economia.uol.com.br/cotacoes/

You might also inquire at HSBC in your home country about opening a Premier Account which would allow higher cash withdrawls in foreign countries without a foreign bank account.

HungryStud101

03-04-11, 03:45

Note* Excuse me as I had posted this in the Sao Paulo thread by mistake.

Rio Trip Day 1 and 2

I was just in Rio. The exchange rate is as follows: 1 USD = 1. 65 R at the Termas; 1. 6 at the cab stand at the airport; and 1. 55 at the exchange booths plus a fee at the Airport. My cc gave me a slightly better rate but I had to pay a 12USD fee. Probably the best option is to exchange your money at the termas.

I had grand plans when I arrived. The first night I decided I was going to visit Monte Carlo because I had been reading some good reports on ISG. The deal at MC is there is 70R entry fee. 70 R cabine rental fee and 150R for 40 minutes with a girl. Prior to my visit the locals on the beach and a cabbie were talking about how bad the talent is at MC and that Centaurus was so much better etc. I made my mind up I was going there any way. Later that night I entered MC in nervous about what I would find. I was hoping the cabbie the cabana boys were wrong about the talent. In short, they were wrong. The place was hopping with plenty of fuckable garotas.

Monte Carlo.

During my scouting trip that morning I almost missed the place. I was walking up and down the street. There is no sign that says Monte Carlo. There is just a door with a 19 over it? Nothing like advertising eh. I saw a girl open the door and I said "Monte Carlo?" She said "Yes but come back at 3PM" she was the manager and very nice. Note* Enclosed is the address: Rua HiláRio de Gouvêa. 19 Copacabana. Rio de Janeiro Tel: 2255-4489.

I returned at 6PM. I enter the Termas and see several beautiful garotas. I know what I like (spinners). Right before me was a menina loura bonita. My radar locked onto her and I went over to say Hello, after only 3 minutes in the bar. We hit it off and we spent a good hour DFK and fondling each other in the corner of the bar. On my third beer she suggests the cabine. I raced her up the stairs. She took my key and left me standing there while she went to shower, charge my account for the cabine and her, and change into some lingerie. 10 minutes later my little blond Brazillian equivalent of a spinner, comes back in some sexy lace outfit and leads me to the cabine. We simply had great sex for 40 minutes. I was on my second SOG when the buzzer went off. She gave me a few minutes extra but the 2nd SOG wasn't meant to be (no buzzer beater for me). BBBJ, DFK, MPOS. 69. Everything I wanted was on her menu. We went back down stairs and she sat with me and we made out for another 30 minutes. I told her I was going to drink a few more beers and then have a massage. I planned to shower and go back to the hotel. She spoke mostly through a series of interpreters. She said she would meet me at my hotel after she got off at midnight. I said "cool" and I let her get back to work. I had my massage but I didn't want to leave. The talent was too strong at MC I wanted to sit around and listen to the music and drink beer and watch the girls dance. Then a curious thing happened. Several of the hookers made passes at me and were hanging on me. My blond spinner walked over and claimed me. She announced to the girls "I'm keeping him for myself" which was about the extent of her English. We sat together the rest of the night and we made out.

At 11:30 she asked me to go to my hotel and wait for her there. She explained that her bosses do not let her date customers so we cannot can not meet out front. So I waited for her to arrive by cab at the hotel entrance. She shows up at midnight. I pay her cab fare of 10R. We split a small pizza and have a drink and then I try to sneak her into my upscale hotel. I walk in with her laughing like I own the place and walk right by the management. They stop us and make her register. I found out later here was no extra charge by the hotel for a guest. For 300+USD a night there better not be!

Anyway I took this girl up to the room and we fucked for hours. H-O-U-R-S. She fucked me to death! We spent hours communicating through bablefish prior to sleeping. At 7AM we both up. She explained the night before that she has her bambinos today. She is taking them to the beach today. I walked her to the cab stand. We exchanged numbers and email in the room. I tell her I will see her Monday at the Termas. We both say I love you and she hops in the cab. All she asked for was cab fare and I gave her 70Rs. So for the entire night she was 80R + a small pizza margarita.

Now the bad news. She fucked my sun burnt body to death! I could not fuck the next day. I pathetically "limp-dicked" it over to Balconi and had to sit there and pass up some of the best talent in Rio. Most of the girls at the Balconi did look like they belonged in the bar from Star Wars but every 20 minutes some hot SPs would show up. A beautiful Amazonian brunet that looked like a movie star and then an hour after that there was a young SP named Nichelle. She was a beautiful 18 year old mulato that looked like she was not a minute over 18. She was wearing the sexiest red painted on Tarzan style mini with heels smoking her cigarette like a sex queen. (Man why has someone not scouped this girl up yet? I was thinking) How sexy! I talked to her and she wanted 350R but was down to 250R before I decided my broke-dick self was too sore to fuck her from the work out from the previous night. Also, how can I get a girl dressed like this past security at my respectable hotel? She looked like she was barley 18. In my hotel there are families waiting for cabs to take them out to dinner etc. They are good decent folk and not mongers like us. I decide have to take the night off.

I had a few more beers with fellow mongers, until the rain cleared and it was off to the hotel. I left the next day. Man do I love Rio!

Can you fall in love with your Rio SP?

Ipanema Carioca

03-04-11, 03:54

a brazilian account is a major pain in the ass with high fees etc. if you wire money from your home account the central bank takes about 5% fee off the fx rate. everything just costs money when dealing with the inefficient brazilian economy.

the best way to use a large amount of cash each day is to bring your limit in in cash, which is r$10, 000. then bring as many atm cards as you require. my citibank card allows 2 x r$1000 withdrawals per day at the citibank atm's. my hsbc card also allows this but strangely only at the citibank atm, hence i can get r$4000 per day. if i required more than that i would just get another card. most people will need to call their bank to up their limit that they can withdraw per day ie, standard amount with citibank was r$1000, after i called them they upped the limit to r$2000, but it must be in 2 separate tranrep001ions. i do the same as bubba boy. but i also make photo copies of all the cards i bring and record the dates, time and place i use them. keep receipts when possible, in case some waiter has their own card reader. with rio being an international city, european and south american credit card thieves are looking for fraud opportunities.

Poucolouco

03-04-11, 03:59

Wire transfers cost $60 from US to Brasi at HSBC regardless of the amount being transferred. HSBC uses the daily Tourismo cambio rate at the time you make your withdrawal.

http://economia.uol.com.br/cotacoes/

You might also inquire at HSBC in your home country about opening a Premier Account which would allow higher cash withdrawls in foreign countries without a foreign bank account. Wire transfers cost $30 from US to Brasi at HSBC regardless of the amount being transferred.

HungryStud101

03-04-11, 04:01

Eric Cartman

03-04-11, 04:12

Can you fall in love with your termas girl?

Does anyone know of a fellow monger that hit it off with their Termas girl and had a long term relationshp that worked?

Is this at all possible? Or is this a pipe dream? What are your experiences? My vast sample of 2 says this always ends in separation, divorce, and the monger paying far more than he would have otherwise.

HungryStud101

03-04-11, 04:15

My vast sample of 2 says this always ends in separation, divorce, and the monger paying far more than he would have otherwise.Small sample size but probably correct. Probably best just to rent one.

Eric Cartman

03-04-11, 04:15

I have a CPF. But why would one want to have a Brazilian bank account, when those of us who know Brazil know that their method of doing business is less to be desired. Lastly, when I asked Brazilians about opening a Brazilian account they laughed and said that Brazilian banks are less than 5th rate to gringo banks.Because your Brazilian company is paying you in R$ and you want to keep it in a bank instead of in a suitacase where the street working girl from Balcony could steal it?

Because your Brazilian company is paying you in R$ and it's a shit ton of R$ that you don't want to take to a cambio every month and risk packing more than USD$10K in your suitcase to take back to the USA each month to deposit in your US account, if you could actually find the time to fly back to the USA each month?

I'm just sayin. Some of us live here and work here and need local accounts.

Bubba Boy

03-04-11, 11:55

Poucolouco

03-04-11, 15:56

GK, you need to clear out some space in your PM, maybe delete the older PM's. I got the following message.

The following errors occurred with your submission.

* Genghis Khan has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

Eric Cartman. I think the limit into and out of Brazil is R$10, 000 and not US$10, 000. Pretty sure on this, but hey I have been wrong before! Sorry, wrong again. .

http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/principal/ingles/faq.htm

10. Goods to be declared.

The traveler should direct himself to the places indicated as "Goods to Declare" when bringing:

Cash, traveler's checks when totaling more than ten thousand Reais or the equivalent in another foreign currency, in order to fill out the appropriated form. There is no limit and no customs duty to the amount of cash to be brought to Brazil as long it is declared to Customs upon arrival;

Bubba Boy

03-04-11, 16:40

Sorry, wrong again. .

http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/principal/ingles/faq.htm

10. Goods to be declared.

The traveler should direct himself to the places indicated as "Goods to Declare" when bringing:

Cash, traveler's checks when totaling more than ten thousand Reais or the equivalent in another foreign currency, in order to fill out the appropriated form. There is no limit and no customs duty to the amount of cash to be brought to Brazil as long it is declared to Customs upon arrival; I meant to say the limit without declaring it is R$10, 000.

Exec Talent

03-04-11, 17:26

I meant to say the limit without declaring it is R$10, 000.Pretty obvious to most people and it is right on the form. Must be a slow day at the senior center.

Golfinho

03-04-11, 18:30

I meant to say the limit without declaring it is R$10, 000.With ATM's, this hardly is an issue anymore except in rare (or special) circumstances, most of which would involve flying under the radar where the last thing you'd want to do is start making declarations.

Poucolouco

03-04-11, 19:21

Pretty obvious to most people and it is right on the form. Must be a slow day at the senior center.Http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xengzl_cee-lo-green-fuck-you_music

Brazil Specialist

03-05-11, 00:05

That is funny. I use my Brazilian bank accounts for LOW payments. If I need R$ 100 of cash.

Because the foreign banks charge too high a fee, I always take out R$ 1000 at a time.

If you have 3 bank cards with US$ 1000 limit a day, that gives you an easy 3 times R$ 1000 per day, and if that is not enough you take out another R$ 600 per card until you reach US$ 1000 on each card. That is not enough?

Banco do Brasil allows you R$ 1000 per withdrawal. They don't allow you a second withdrawal with the same card, so you go to Bradesco, or Banco 24 hours, Citibank or HSBC. Bradesco allows only R$ 800.

I try to ALWAYs take money only out of Banco do Brasil (o nly the ATMs with the Visa / Master Card sticker). Banco do Brasil has 24 hour security guards, this is why cloing there is very rare. HSBC seems to get a lot of cloning.

The reason would be that at least when I travel to SP most girls require cash payment and my budget usually is higher than I consider comfortable bringing as cash. Additionally the limit pr day at the ATMs are too low.

If I could wire money from home to my brazilian account before I leave home, I could withdraw cash from the cashiers counter instead and avoid the ATM limit.

GKOh, and I fill my Brazilian bank account with ATM withdrawals. Ideally you have an account at the bank where you do the withdrawal so you don't have to haul money anywhere, just pull it out of the ATM, put it in an envelope, and deposit it in the same ATM.

Totos

03-05-11, 00:23

Note* Excuse me as I had posted this in the Sao Paulo thread by mistake.

Can you fall in love with your Rio SP?In Rio you have the chance to meet Girls with real endearing personality. Moreover if you are travelling to Rio, you are yourself in the best state of mind : relaxed, in a very enjoyable atmosphere. You find many things ideal, better than your daily round : climate, sea and maybe girls.

And what is really surprising with some Rio girls is their generosity. In termas or elsewhere, you can meet nice girls, who are not trying to protect themselves at any cost. I have been surprised that some are really open and ready to share emotions with you even if it is for a limited time, in a termas for instance. If there is a good fit, she will make the time spent with you enjoyable for both. And then there can be a seduction game. And you may fall in love.

But you need to remember the context and that many of these girls may wait something from a relationship with you : to get out for a moment of their daily condition or better to have the chance to stop their job.

Your feelings in a daily relationship can be very different from the ones you had in a particular context.

However that's for this, that I found Rio unique.

Mangera

03-05-11, 15:59

HungryStud101

03-05-11, 19:20

Sounds a little like fight club. She works as a waitress during th Rio winter in Italy. Maybe I will go over there and see her? Maybe in the different setting I can get a better sense?

I believe you are right. We are writing each other and maybe nothing will come of it except that when I go to MC in Rio I will have to take her for the night. Believe me this is not a bad thing.

Mangera, Totos, and EC. Thanks for your consideration of the question I put forth. Has it ever worked? I can dream can't I?

Rule # 1- Don't ever fall in love with a GP.

Rule # 2- Don't ever forget rule # 1.

Rule # 3- If you ever forget rule #1 or #2, then make sure to have a friend sucker punch you in the balls.

P. S. Remember its a job for them, and its a fantasy made reality for the clients. Perspective gentlemen! Enjoy life and don't complicate things more than they have to be!

Exec Talent

03-05-11, 20:44

Sounds a little like fight club. She works as a waitress during th Rio winter in Italy. Maybe I will go over there and see her? Maybe in the different setting I can get a better sense?

I believe you are right. We are writing each other and maybe nothing will come of it except that when I go to MC in Rio I will have to take her for the night. Believe me this is not a bad thing.

Mangera, Totos, and EC. Thanks for your consideration of the question I put forth. Has it ever worked? I can dream can't I? To be the bearer of bad news. Waitress in Italy translates into GDP in Italy and Switzerland. Some of the girls also do strip shows.

HungryStud101

03-05-11, 21:15

To be the bearer of bad news. Waitress in Italy translates into GDP in Italy and Switzerland. Some of the girls also do strip shows.But the italians tell me tha they have to go to Germany or Spain for the FKK like approach. I see street walkers there but no Termas / clinicas / privies approach. Are you sure?

Also, a fellow monger from Switz (maybe he was a Swede) said it was illegal.

Again, you are all probably correct, I am just trying to sort this out. Puntas fuck your head up a little bit ya know. She seems like such a good person in such an unfortunate situation. Sometimes you think you can help. Like a white knight and be her hero. It would feel good for both. Man it was nice having her there for the night, dinner, coffee, emails etc.

When it is too good to be true it probably is.

Poucolouco

03-06-11, 01:01

But the italians tell me tha they have to go to Germany or Spain for the FKK like approach. I see street walkers there but no Termas / clinicas / privies approach. Are you sure?

Also, a fellow monger from Switz (maybe he was a Swede) said it was illegal.

Again, you are all probably correct, I am just trying to sort this out. Puntas fuck your head up a little bit ya know. She seems like such a good person in such an unfortunate situation. Sometimes you think you can help. Like a white knight and be her hero. It would feel good for both. Man it was nice having her there for the night, dinner, coffee, emails etc.

When it is too good to be true it probably is. I can vouch for that; they go to Italy, Spain and even the south of France. I have aquaintances in all three places who work as "waitresses." Even with the high cost of living in Europe they make more money there and are able to support their families back in Brasil. You are correct that they are good persons. Their lifestyle may not be conventional but it has been around for hundreds of years.

HungryStud101

03-06-11, 01:44

I can vouch for that; they go to Italy, Spain and even the south of France. I have aquaintances in all three places who work as "waitresses." Even with the high cost of living in Europe they make more money there and are able to support their families back in Brasil. You are correct that they are good persons. Their lifestyle may not be conventional but it has been around for hundreds of years.I just got a PM from an italion who confirmed that the Italians have to go to FKKs. He said there are street walkers but you will get a 500 Euro fine just for pulling over and talking with them.

I know there are street walkers there from personal experience. I am just wondering what my Rio mulher would be doing in Italy if she could work in an FKK in Germany or work in Spain's version of an FKK? Maybe she works for an outcall service in Milano? Maybe she does wait tables? Maybe she does a little of both?

Yes she is a good person and I believe she would like a one way ticket out but could she ever make a suitable wife while she has the looks and ability to get what she wants with her pussy? Could I ever make a faithfull BF or husband if I still like to chase girls half my age. The slutier the better?

The answer is nested in the Sao Paulo thread.

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Chercheur

03-06-11, 02:21

Pay cash each time, it is way much cheaper!

Golfinho

03-06-11, 06:04

you need to remember the context and that many of these girls may want something from a relationship with you : to get out for a moment of their daily condition or better to have the chance to stop their job.Projecting?

You need to remember the context that it is YOU who's getting out for a moment from your daily condition.

The something she wants is recompense for selling her time.

Member #3439

03-06-11, 06:14

Again, you are all probably correct, I am just trying to sort this out. Puntas fuck your head up a little bit ya know. She seems like such a good person in such an unfortunate situation. Sometimes you think you can help. Like a white knight and be her hero. It would feel good for both. Man it was nice having her there for the night, dinner, coffee, emails etc.

When it is too good to be true it probably is. There should be a name for this syndrome. Pre-Suadades Syndrome (PSS) or something. I bet 70% of guys get hit with this on the first trip to BR unless they've mongered extensively elsewhere, so just let it roll off your back. Like Mangera said, none of this stuff is real life.

I've yet to meet a puta anywhere in the world who needed a knight to save her from her situation. They live this lifestyle because they want spending money, owe someone money, and / or are just slutty and get a psychological kick from selling it. Putas and mongers take the path of least resistance. Putas could get money elsewhere, from a legit job or by taking a sugardaddy, but it would be more commitment and less money. Mongers could get free sex elsewhere, but it would take more time and the quality or number of girls may be reduced.

Lorenzo

03-06-11, 09:11

There are hundreds, possibly thousands, of Brazilian GDPs working in Italy. They usually work out of private apartments, often with several girls sharing an apartment, and advertise themselves on online forums. The Brazilians tend to gravitate toward northern Italy, Bergamo (especially) and Milano. Here's a link to one of the leading escort forums in Italy; maybe you'll see someone you know: http://www.escortforum.net/

Totos

03-06-11, 19:07

Projecting?

You need to remember the context that it is YOU who's getting out for a moment from your daily condition.

The something she wants is recompense for selling her time. We were talking about special experience with GDP. Hungrystud101 shared an experience he had with a girl he did not pay for the night she spent with him. So in that case, money was not at stake. And many others in this forum had the same experience.

I was mentionning that if the girl does not make you pay, she may have some others expectations.

There should be a name for this syndrome. Pre-Suadades Syndrome (PSS) or something. I bet 70% of guys get hit with this on the first trip to BR unless they've mongered extensively elsewhere, so just let it roll off your back. Like Mangera said, none of this stuff is real life.

I've yet to meet a puta anywhere in the world who needed a knight to save her from her situation. They live this lifestyle because they want spending money, owe someone money, and / or are just slutty and get a psychological kick from selling it. Putas and mongers take the path of least resistance. Putas could get money elsewhere, from a legit job or by taking a sugardaddy, but it would be more commitment and less money. Mongers could get free sex elsewhere, but it would take more time and the quality or number of girls may be reduced.I don't think that is a matter of experience. If you are looking to share some time with pros, outside termas, prives, you can meet one you will particlularly appreciate. And then there may be a seduction game.

But I fully agree with Mangera, you have not to fall in love. The relationship with a GPD has no chance to succeed.

If you can share special moments, keeping control of the situation, that's the good option.

Chan Nimal

03-06-11, 20:04

Rule # 1- Don't ever fall in love with a GP.

Rule # 2- Don't ever forget rule # 1.

Rule # 3- If you ever forget rule #1 or #2, then make sure to have a friend sucker punch you in the balls.

P. S. Remember its a job for them, and its a fantasy made reality for the clients. Perspective gentlemen! Enjoy life and don't complicate things more than they have to be!Amen. Although Bruna Surfistinha is the current hit at the cinema. The gdp's aren't in the game to find their knight on a white horse. Just money. Don't screw it up by thinking / believing it's anything more than that.

BootyTapper

03-07-11, 02:20

Golfinho

03-07-11, 03:00

We were talking about special experience with GDP. .Everyone's having these 'special experiences. ' Special only in the sense they're outside the realm of one's previous (or 'normal') experience with women back wherever is home.

Try Paulo Coelho's. 11 Minutos. It combines most of the themes in the last few posts here and LOL some of it is set in Geneva.

Rio Bob

03-07-11, 03:01

Isn't that why the Premier of Italy is in so much hot water now because he messed with a Brazilian GDP at his house and got busted?She is Moroccan.

Golfinho

03-07-11, 03:30

She is Moroccan.She is 17 years' old.

Lorenzo

03-07-11, 08:35

isn't that why the premier of italy is in so much hot water now because he messed with a brazilian gdp at his house and got busted?she is moroccan, but the real problem is that she was **** at the time he had sex with her.

Member #3439

03-08-11, 06:31

Everyone's having these 'special experiences. ' Special only in the sense they're outside the realm of one's previous (or 'normal') experience with women back wherever is home.I'd say it's special and can't be compared with back wherever is home, simply because this girl is used to equating sex with money and she's giving it for free to him. She could be selling that same time for R400 down at Balcony after the termas close time, but she gave it to him for a few slices of pizza. Girls back wherever is home are different, at least in my country, most girls don't have a sense of what their time and sex is worth, or where to sell it if they wanted to. They give it for free. GDPs know exactly what that time is worth. :) Sex for free anytime between 10 am and 5 am is a missed opportunity for cash, there is always someone to sell it to during those times.

I'm just wondering what time the guys typically set up the freebie TLN at termas in Copa, like how long before closing time. Last call, 2 hours before, when is the best time? I've had a TLN offer at Bar 22 nice and early, 9pm, but of course the girls, hours and situation at 22 are totally different than the termas.

I did about 50 Brasileiras ST over 4 trips before I finally let down my guard enough to take a GDP to my hotel room for TLN last month, due to paranoia about having my stuff stolen while I sleep. The sleepover part is nothing special, I already have that at home. Neither is the sex. I've typically had 2 or 3 girls by 7 pm, am well quenched, and anything in the night is just for fun. It might sound weird, but for me it's more about a) a possibility of having someone to hang out with the next day (I travel solo) and b) a potential for repeats at little or no cost and c) development and practice of my Porto while hanging out together. Once you've been to Rio enough times, the city can be extremely boring and even a little depressing if you are just running solo with nothing to do but banging, sleeping, eating, repeat for 5 or 6 days with no one to hang out with. Especially (stress especially) on Sunday, when the city goes practically dead for mongering. Next time, I'll be (a little) more more trusting of the girls not to steal my stuff and try more takeout.

Termas girl TLN is sounding pretty good for my next visit, so I'd like more info about the best time to arrange it.

Exec Talent

03-08-11, 07:08

I'm just wondering what time the guys typically set up the freebie TLN, like how long before closing time.

I did about 50 Brasileiras ST before I finally let down my guard enough to take one to my hotel room for TLN last month, due to paranoia about having my stuff stolen while I sleep. The sleepover part is nothing special, I already have that at home. It's more about a) a possibility of having someone to hang out with the next day (I travel solo) and be) a potential for repeats at little or no cost and see) development and practice of my Porto while hanging out together. Believe it or not, after several times there Rio can be extremely boring if you are just running solo doing nothing but banging, sleeping, eating, repeat for 5 or 6 days with no one to hang out with! Next time, I'll be (a little) more more trusting of the girls not to steal my stuff and try more takeout.

Termas girl TLN is sounding pretty good so I'd like more info about the best time to arrange takeout. Here are the options for most of the girls. They can take a taxi, with a few other girls, for an hour to a crappy house in the north zone. They also can take a series of buses for two hours, they can stay in a crappy apartment in Copa with three other girl or they can stay in a comfortable apartment or hotel with you and maybe hook a regular customer.

My personal thoughts are that it has little to do with what time you approach them but more to do with them feeling comfortable with you. Are you a guy who goes to the termas and only hangs out with them or are you a guy who goes for all the girls? You will have a better chance if she feels you are really into her. However, never underestimate her other options for where she is going to sleep. They are an important factor. Also important is your reputation in the termas (as well as others. GDP. NET is alive and well) , your reputation as a lover and the quality of your accommodations.

One thing to keep in mind is you are not the only player in the game. Other guys also are trying to get her to spend the night and they may be paying.

Member #3439

03-08-11, 07:49

My personal thoughts are that it has little to do with what time you approach them but more to do with them feeling comfortable with you. Are you a guy who goes to the termas and only hangs out with them or are you a guy who goes for all the girls? You will have a better chance if she feels you are really into her. However, never underestimate her other options for where she is going to sleep. They are an important factor. Also important is your reputation in the termas (as well as others. GDP. NET is alive and well) , your reputation as a lover and the quality of your accommodations.Thanks for the insight. Development of a reputation in a termas is most likely a big investment since it requires multiple visits. Having met you and your (quite impressive!; termas body, lady-like charm, seemingly libertine) non-pro gf, I know that are knowledgeable about the greater scene outside P4P and can advise us on other options. If you didn't have her, and if you spoke only intermediate Porto like Pimsleur III, then what would be your strategy for finding freebies? Go to termas often and develop a reputation, go to Lapa and hunt Rio Scenarium, Carioca da Gema and those places, or? I notice that most younger women in Lapa are already with a guy when they arrive and that the singles are mostly cougars. but have thought of searching there for something easy, unaccompanied and not-cougar, if such Lapa-goers exist. What are your thoughts on courting GDPs at termas for freebies versus the option of hunting Lapa for it, on a weeknight?

Bubba Boy

03-08-11, 14:03

Here are the options for most of the girls. They can take a taxi, with a few other girls, for an hour to a crappy house in the north zone. They also can take a series of buses for two hours, they can stay in a crappy apartment in Copa with three other girl or they can stay in a comfortable apartment or hotel with you and maybe hook a regular customer.

My personal thoughts are that it has little to do with what time you approach them but more to do with them feeling comfortable with you. Are you a guy who goes to the termas and only hangs out with them or are you a guy who goes for all the girls? You will have a better chance if she feels you are really into her. However, never underestimate her other options for where she is going to sleep. They are an important factor. Also important is your reputation in the termas (as well as others. GDP. NET is alive and well) , your reputation as a lover and the quality of your accommodations.

One thing to keep in mind is you are not the only player in the game. Other guys also are trying to get her to spend the night and they may be paying. I agree with this. Would also like to add a lot of these girls have had very shitty lives. Many have been abused, subject to crime, seen people being shot dead in front of them. They tend to live ion very basic accommodation. A chance to hang out with a decent foreigner that treats them way better than the average guy they hang out with is a good option. Show these girls a little attention, a little bit of TLC and the hardest thing will be to get rid of them.

HelpRules

03-08-11, 14:04

Any news yet on a help replacement? I want to head to Rio in August / sept. I hope something will be open by then.

Eric Cartman

03-09-11, 00:58

I agree with this. Would also like to add a lot of these girls have had very shitty lives. Many have been abused, subject to crime, seen people being shot dead in front of them. They tend to live ion very basic accommodation. A chance to hang out with a decent foreigner that treats them way better than the average guy they hang out with is a good option. Show these girls a little attention, a little bit of TLC and the hardest thing will be to get rid of them.I respectfully would point out it's not quite that easy. Bubba will say it's because I'm a misanthropic bastard ("your money's on the dresser, chocolate. Now get the fuck out."). But I think I treat the girls pretty well, I have a spiffy penthouse apartment, and there ain't no chicks clawing at me to stay here.

Sure, some come over after work and will stay the night. But largely they get their R$200 the next day and they are on their way (sometimes a victoria's secret gift kit substitutes). I haven't had anyone begging to stay and give it up for free.

-Cartman

Exec Talent

03-09-11, 02:07

I respectfully would point out it's not quite that easy. Bubba will say it's because I'm a misanthropic bastard ("your money's on the dresser, chocolate. Now get the fuck out."). But I think I treat the girls pretty well, I have a spiffy penthouse apartment, and there ain't no chicks clawing at me to stay here.

Sure, some come over after work and will stay the night. But largely they get their R$200 the next day and they are on their way (sometimes a victoria's secret gift kit substitutes). I haven't had anyone begging to stay and give it up for free.

-CartmanIf you live in Rio, are spending time at the termas and girls are not regularly staying overnight with you until they have to go to work the next day something is wrong. Very wrong. It is time to seriously re-evaluate your lovemaking skills.

I used to troll the eros centers in Frankfurt and one time I came across a hot Brazilian. Not only did she offer me her ass, she also called in several of her friends for a festa. All I paid was the regular fee to her.

BTW, the guys who are bragging at the top of their lungs how well they hit it after returning to the bar in 10 minutes are exactly the guys who never have girls stay over. They got rid of you as soon as they could in the termas, why would they want to spend any more time with you during their off hours.

HungryStud101

03-10-11, 00:52

I'd say it's special and can't be compared with back wherever is home, simply because this girl is used to equating sex with money and she's giving it for free to him. She could be selling that same time for R400 down at Balcony after the termas close time, but she gave it to him for a few slices of pizza. Girls back wherever is home are different, at least in my country, most girls don't have a sense of what their time and sex is worth, or where to sell it if they wanted to. They give it for free. GDPs know exactly what that time is worth. . Sex for free anytime between 10 am and 5 am is a missed opportunity for cash, there is always someone to sell it to during those times.

I'm just wondering what time the guys typically set up the freebie TLN at termas in Copa, like how long before closing time. Last call. 2 hours before, when is the best time? I've had a TLN offer at Bar 22 nice and early. 9pm, but of course the girls, hours and situation at 22 are totally different than the termas.

Next time, I'll be (a little) more more trusting of the girls not to steal my stuff and try more takeout.

Termas girl TLN is sounding pretty good for my next visit, so I'd like more info about the best time to arrange it. Punta. If you remember prior to my Rio trip, I was asking the forum a few questions about how to get a GDP girl in my room for the night. I read that more than a few people had some luck doing this. I actually got some help and advice from Bubba Boy. I will say I set out to see if I could get a girl to come home with me. Prior to the trip, I was working out, dieting, even tanning a bit and doing all that I can to look presentable. I was practicing the langauge and I am naturally charming (LOL). I joke but I have always had the gift of gab. At the Termas, we had a great session and I was actually quite receptive to paying this girl. I talked to her through a bartender and I asked her if she would like to meet me at my hotel. She said yes. I actually think that the fact that the other girls were paying so much attention to me that she became a little jealous (as funny as this seems). It was llike a high school dance. I asked her if she believed in love at first sight. I told her Termas girlfriends (one after I kissed her) that I was falling for her friend and I could not session with her (in truth I really was not that motivated to sleep with her for various reasons). Believe it or not the fact that I kissed XYZ got back to my termas girl. Later that night at the restaurant I had to explain why I kissed girl XYZ. I said it was more like a light peck and I couldn't continue on with this because I had realized my strong feelings for you. She was satified with this. She explained that she did not like working in the Termas very much. The next morning we decided I would call her at 1PM and we would spend the day together.

The next day I thought about it and thought about it and 1PM came around then 2PM then 3PM and I just couldn't call her. I finally tried at 5PM and there was no answer. The next day I was kicking myself in the ass. I posed the question (can a Termas girl and a Monger have a relationship?) in the forum because I truely enjoyed her company. We have traded a few emails and she was waiting by the phone for me to call. Now she will go to Milan for her "waitress job" as a single girl.

I would like to see her again so I wish I would have called her the next day. Who knows what could have happened?

Member #3439

03-10-11, 05:43

The next day I thought about it and thought about it and 1PM came around then 2PM then 3PM and I just couldn't call her. I finally tried at 5PM and there was no answer. The next day I was kicking myself in the ass. I posed the question (can a Termas girl and a Monger have a relationship?) in the forum because I truely enjoyed her company. We have traded a few emails and she was waiting by the phone for me to call. Now she will go to Milan for her "waitress job" as a single girl.

I would like to see her again so I wish I would have called her the next day. Who knows what could have happened? I think maybe next time, for your own peace of mind, you should stick to the casas where there is less of a chance for you to get emotionally involved. Maybe I'm a cynic, and yeah putas are people too, but I am convinced that the one constant in mongering is that you should never get emotionally involved with a WG. I treat the girls well, but I don't trust 95% of what they say. I wouldn't even worry about the Milan part if I was you, because it's probably not true. She is probably returning to her hometown or even going to work at a better paying less seasonal place in Sao Paulo. Most of these girls are living their entire lives on the downlow from family and very good at lying. Remember a few weeks ago I was screwing the girl at T502 whose husband thought she was working nights as a telefonista and would shoot her if he knew. Now, that is something I do believe from the mouth of a puta. :)

EmilioTheGreat

03-12-11, 00:08

Eric Cartman

03-12-11, 04:57

Hello, guys. I'm taking my first trip to Rio next month and I've heard that Copacabana is definitely the place to stay for first timers. For anyone that's familiar with the area, I have a quick question for you. I am looking at apartments near Meia Pataca and Balcony Bar. Which is a better area to stay for mongering? I've heard that the area near Meia Pataca is often called "Hooker Beach." But I've also heard that the Balcony Bar is a nice mongering spot. Can someone please give me some advice here?Copa's cheaper than Ipanema or Leblon, and certainly a good base of ops. I'd pick a location close to a Metro station (within 5-6 blocks tops, which is most of copa) like Siqueira Campos or Cardeal Arcoverde. There's no reason to stay right near Balcony Bar. You can easily cab it there (recommended for first-timers) or walk (if you are up for a little risk late at night). The metro is your ticket to Centro termas and prives, those in Tijuca, and places in between (like Ju Pantera in Flamengo?). Also easy access to General Osorio in Ipanema.

Bottom line: don't stress about being close to Balcony, find a place you like within reasonable walk of Metro.

Ipanema Carioca

03-12-11, 06:25

Copa's cheaper than Ipanema or Leblon, and certainly a good base of ops. I'd pick a location close to a Metro station (within 5-6 blocks tops, which is most of copa) like Siqueira Campos or Cardeal Arcoverde. There's no reason to stay right near Balcony Bar. You can easily cab it there (recommended for first-timers) or walk (if you are up for a little risk late at night). The metro is your ticket to Centro termas and prives, those in Tijuca, and places in between (like Ju Pantera in Flamengo?). Also easy access to General Osorio in Ipanema.

Bottom line: don't stress about being close to Balcony, find a place you like within reasonable walk of Metro. I agree that there is no need to worry about Meia Pataca either. It's now a family restaurant, more or less. If it's your 1st time and the left-over girls find out they will try and over charge you. If they try an 1-2 hour "bs" and if they want more than R$150-200 for less than 4-5 hours, then walk away. Plus make sure when you are any restaurant or bars with working girls let the waiter know that your tab is for you. Don't get suckered into buying drinks, because many of those table hop for drinks. Screen who you take to your room or apartment, because a lot of the girls from the favelas near Balcony frequent there, and will drug you and rip you off. Some times they will put a drug on their tits and you end up passing out. A friend of mine had this happen, and when he awoke he was ripped off of all that was not in his safe. The bitches even cooked themselves breakfast, because he found the dishes in his kitchen sink.

Member #3439

03-12-11, 10:01

Don't get suckered into buying drinks, because many of those table hop for drinks. Screen who you take to your room or apartment, because a lot of the girls from the favelas near Balcony frequent there, and will drug you and rip you off. Some times they will put a drug on their tits and you end up passing out. A friend of mine had this happen, and when he awoke he was ripped off of all that was not in his safe. The bitches even cooked themselves breakfast, because he found the dishes in his kitchen sink.This is good advice! Never heard about tit drugs, but I'd believe anything from these girls!

Emilio, I recommend that if you have sufficient budget, stay in Ipanema and take cabs where you need to go. Focus on the termas to start and then move on to Balcony once you get a couple days experience. This is a sex tourism area in Zona Sul and you need to gain comprehension of how the girls think and operate. Keep in mind that the freelancers are very experienced at working gringos for cash, and they'll use any means possible to extract it. Remember the girls are pros and don't get sucked into the scams i.e. poor girl that doesn't like the job, just started working here, working here because my mama is sick but I love you so much and won't you send me money to help, etc. All the info and experience is on this forum, so read a year of back posts. If you don't have much cash, stay in Copa near the metro stations like the guys said, then check the posts for cheaper places in Centro and Zona Norte. If you're a party guy, you might want to just monger in Copa. If you just like pure sex and don't require a festive environment or gringo fellowship, the cheaper places are good and you can reach them on the metro. Quick sex, 1 hour, leave and tag the next girl at the next casa before your dick gets dry. Post the girls names and the casa addresses along with the services provided and pictures if you have them.

Frenchieboy

03-12-11, 11:04

Torgoch

03-13-11, 15:22

Hey guys hitting Rio running Sunday mar 20 for 6 nights hitting the regular stops balcony and things then going to vm and lata that week going to busessco the the black and white club in the hood with some of my buddies who live in brazilXman, I've copied your announcement to the Rio thread as a number of people who read this thread are interested in Termas Black and White in Bonsuccesso. I planned to visit last November but the favela war stopped me from visiting Zona Norte. Please print any info / feedback!

Vittu

03-13-11, 16:26

Is there any real difference between money changing rates at the airport and in town. Where is the best place to change?

Mr Enternational

03-13-11, 16:41

Is there any real difference between money changing rates at the airport and in town. Where is the best place to change?The best places to change money are with the porters with white jackets who are standing around after you exit customs or jewelry stores in Copacabana. Make sure you check the interbank exchange before you get on the plane. Then if they offer you 1.55 you can say (Portuguese may be needed) with confidence "but the actual rate is 1.65," and they will knock it up a couple of points. If you go to one of those booths in the airport they will hit you over the head with a lower rate, fees, and all kind of other shit. The only places I know that those airport places don't rip you off are Thailand and Philippines.

Golfinho

03-13-11, 16:59

Is there any real difference between money changing rates at the airport and in town. Where is the best place to change?The best place to change is. Always. With Brazilians wanting to pick up some dollars. Start looking for them at the airport. Talk to whoever is providing your hostelry in Rio. In front of cambios in center. Talk to people there. Be careful in Copa at cambios because the local hebrews there aren't appreciative of efforts to cut out the middle-man.

HungryStud101

03-13-11, 20:04

Is there any real difference between money changing rates at the airport and in town. Where is the best place to change?Yes they wanted 1. 55 at the international airport and the taxi stands were giving 1. 60 without a fee. I got 1. 69 on my CC from a money machine in sao Paulo later that week. The Termas were giving 1. 65. My thought is is there any reason to change money? Not for the Termas for sure. Will the taxis, bars, and restaurants take US currency and give you a fair exchange rate?

Eric Cartman

03-14-11, 02:01

Just a heads up that, with Carnaval behind us, Monte Carlo is closed again on Sundays. It was a nice Summer run of Sunday openings but alas no more!

In theory this should mean the girls have another day off during the week, but I'm not sure.

By the way, the registration program is pretty cool. If you spend I think more than R$500 you get a free entrada. It adds up over time and I think friends you bring with you can get counted towards your total (if you tell them when you enter). They take fake names (they don't check) but you do "log in" with a fingerprint reader. I'm enjoying it and probably getting free entrada (R$70 value) every 2-3 visits.

-Cartman

Grandnash84

03-14-11, 06:31

I'm thinking about getting condo in Copacabana. The one I'm looking at says its in posto 5. Anyone know about that area? Is it close to 4x4 or monte carlo? Any info would help?

Torgoch

03-14-11, 07:32

I'm thinking about getting condo in Copacabana. The one I'm looking at says its in posto 5. Anyone know about that area? Is it close to 4x4 or monte carlo? Any info would help?Posto 5 is near where Help used to be, Meia Pataca and Hooker Beach in front of the Othon. MP is now dead and I was in Rio in November and Hooker beach looked pretty quiet too. It is nowhere near 4x4 but you are close to a metro station (Cantagalo) which will take you into Centro (Uruguiana station) for 4x4 and it is a short walk along the beach to Monte Carlo (Rua Hilario de Gouveia). Now that Help is gone that area of Copa is very quiet at night.

Sperto

03-14-11, 13:15

Grandnash84

03-14-11, 16:22

Posto 5 is near where Help used to be, Meia Pataca and Hooker Beach in front of the Othon. MP is now dead and I was in Rio in November and Hooker beach looked pretty quiet too. It is nowhere near 4x4 but you are close to a metro station (Cantagalo) which will take you into Centro (Uruguiana station) for 4x4 and it is a short walk along the beach to Monte Carlo (Rua Hilario de Gouveia). Now that Help is gone that area of Copa is very quiet at night.Is there any club that took helps place? Or anything close like it? Is posto 5 still a good place to stay at, I mean is it a nice area

Genghis Khan

03-14-11, 19:16

Having been to Help only once and on the outside beach restaurant once I am not among the guys deeply missing Help. Nontheless the place and restaurant summed up used to be packed with girls depandant on an income. Where have they gone to find their customers and are there any alternatives similar to Help now or in the future?

GK

Torgoch

03-14-11, 20:17

Is there any club that took helps place? Or anything close like it? Is posto 5 still a good place to stay at, I mean is it a nice areaIf you read through the Rio forum and also look at Bubba Boy's excellent guide (which has its own forum) then you can find out a lot of information. Asking for information which is readily available by searching through the forum may get you a reply which just says RTFF! (read the expletive forum). After Help there is Balcony bar at the top end of Copa Beach by the Lido. I don't bother with it myself as I prefer to go to Centro and will start looking at Tijuca on my next trip in July. It does get busy in the small hours but it can be a rip-off joint unless you know the prices. Posto 5 is a nice area to stay and now that Help has gone it is quiet at night. It is not the centre for action that it used to be. Personally I stay in Copa to be near the beach (I can't afford Ipanema) and tend to travel into Centro for a workout.

SlimHoleDrill

03-14-11, 21:01

The prices at Vila Mimosa have been R$25-27/30 minutes for many years. The majority still charge R$25. However some casas have raised their prices to R$35, and a few have even raised their prices to R$40.

I can't see any difference in quality of the girls or the establishment at the more expensive casas (maybe they just raised the price because the business is going badly). .

I hadn't been to 22 for a while and man was I surprised. First of all, I didn't have correct change (always a bad idea at 22) so I gave them 15 for the entrance and was waiting around for my 3 R change when the lady told me it had gone up to 15. I argued for a while but it did no good, so I went in and found the place pretty empty. 5 girls and 2 or 3 guys shooting pool, hanging out.

Then, I found an old friend and decided to renew our friendship even though she has put on a few pounds since our last encounter. When we went for a session and handed her my R75, she wagged her finger at me and said nao, nao, nao. R120. For 20 minutes! 30 minutes R150, 1 hr, R200.

So, they have doubled the price (approximately). Same girls, same shit hole, twice the price. Now, I call that a deal. I would have thought it was the old "Screw the gringo" thing, but I know this girl and she was telling me this even before we left the bar.

What is even worse, the fat blond who took the money was at least friendly and pleasant, but she has been replaced by a really sour old thing.

So, I guess it starts with Centaurus, trickles down to L'uomo and others, now 22 and even VM!

At least Centro pricing seems to be stable, but I have not made an exhaustive study.

Probably the best discount available is the "frequent flyers" program at Monte Carlo where you can get free entry. Sometimes. I can't say I know exactly how it works. I think after you spend R300 or so you get in free the next time? Anyway, I got in free the other night, so I know it is possible.

I have not posted for some time, but here are some odds and ends. I saw the discussion on what happened to Pietra. My information is that she went to Europe to make more money. She told me she was going to do this last June or July, then said it got delayed. Now she is gone. I was questioning one of the girls about this and I think they make up stories to protect each other. Maybe if they tell management, there is some sort of retribution? Anyway, she told me some lie and I told her I knew she was lying and she couldn't keep a straight face. Then I asked her if Pietra would make a lot of money in Italy and "Ache que sim" was the answer. So, go figure. If someone knows more about the mechanism for them going to Europe, it would be interesting. However, I suspect it probably breaks some laws either here in Brazil or in Europe so it may not be a good topic for discussion.

On this same subject, one of my favs from MC said she was also leaving (her last day) to work in Italy, then Switzerland. Same deal I guess.

It is getting to be a family thing at L'uomo with Bia, First her cousin Paola, then another cousin came and now her little sister is working there. I am afraid I am going to run into mama there one day.

So other than the higher prices and post-carnaval haze, everything is pretty much normal.

Sperto

03-14-11, 23:17

At least Centro pricing seems to be stable, but I have not made an exhaustive study.I did some centro study today. I went by 41 privês and casas de massagem in centro today. I checked out old addresses and quite a few new ones. There have been quite a few changes. However the prices continues more or less the same as a year ago.

I've been presented to more than two hundred GP's today. A lot of check-kissings and many bundas to check out (and some sampling was necessary as well). This "study" I do in the purpose of making myself a shopping list by choosing about ten of the most appealing privês. Later on, in the beginning of April I'll post an updated summary of the centro casas.

I hope to check out Largo de Machado and Tijuca as well.

Mangera

03-14-11, 23:27

I did some centro study today. I went by 41 privês and casas de massagem in centro today. I checked out old addresses and quite a few new ones. There have been quite a few changes. However the prices continues more or less the same as a year ago.

I've been presented to more than two hundred GP's today. A lot of check-kissings and many bundas to check out (and some sampling was necessary as well). This "study" I do in the purpose of making myself a shopping list by choosing about ten of the most appealing privês. Later on, in the beginning of April I'll post an updated summary of the centro casas.

I hope to check out Largo de Machado and Tijuca as well. Thanks for all of the hard work and effort in checking out brazilian ass in Centro. I mean that half serious and half kidding. I think :)

On a serious note, I am really looking forward to seeing your update. Thanks again!

Kojak1

03-15-11, 01:03

Bubba Boy

03-15-11, 01:18

I did some centro study today. I went by 41 privês and casas de massagem in centro today.41? In a day! Too funny! The man is dedicated!

Member #3439

03-15-11, 05:48

I did some centro study today. I went by 41 privês and casas de massagem in centro today. I checked out old addresses and quite a few new ones.

I've been presented to more than two hundred GP's today. I am guessing that you just broke an ISG field research record. I look forward to your update. Your list is like Zagat for all of us alleycats and muddy-shoe safados , and I look forward to seeing whether you've found new places! :)

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I hadn't been to 22 for a while and man was I surprised. First of all, I didn't have correct change (always a bad idea at 22) so I gave them 15 for the entrance.

Then, I found an old friend and decided to renew our friendship even though she has put on a few pounds since our last encounter. When we went for a session and handed her my R75, she wagged her finger at me and said nao, nao, nao. R120. For 20 minutes! 30 minutes R150, 1 hr, R200. A month ago when I reported on 22 it was R15 entrada (still includes the 3 beers) and R100/30. I negotiated down to R90/30 and think others can negotiate as well, to the extent that they speak a little Porto and can curb their brothel-enthusiasm in front of the mama. This place is a dive and boring most of the time, but I keep going back because the girls are uncomplicated and less professional; sometimes they can be developed into what I call beyond-GFE without tips or excessive cost. I had one last year called Gabriella that I still haven't gotten over, even though I religiously follow the principle of fuck and forget, and have been craving her since July to the point of offering an hour session-cost reward for finding where she is at now and my offer stands + bonus for anyone that could hook me up with her in October. I found that at R90/30 it still was worth a risk to physically interview for another gem but at R150/30, even I would stay away. T502 would be my next choice.

Regarding Pietra, now on break from Luomo. Wow, the stories abound. I've heard abortion, I've heard she's been spotted in the grocery stores in Copa recently, then perhaps she's in Europe. She's becoming a celeb like Ingrid, whose whereabouts were highly debated and was even rumored to be living in EUA with an Atlanta Falcons player. I'm wasn't into black girls and tended toward morena and mullata, but Pietra talked me into a session last year and, despite knowing that the working parts had previously been run rough-shod by some of the most lecherous seniors of this thread, I tried and really enjoyed the body and the quality of the session (DFK, BBBJ marathon anal, CIM with swallow) and her after-sex personality in the cabine despite her agressive hustles in the boite. I recommend it, whenever she returns from wherever she's at. And she inevitably will.

SlimHoleDrill

03-15-11, 11:24

SHD, when did you go to 22? I was there the Tuesday before Carnaval and while the entrance is now R$ 15, the pricing of the girls was the same as before so for a half hour it was R$ 75. The prices were actually posted on the wall behind the counter which included the 20 minute price of R$ 55. Maybe they were doing "Carnaval" pricing?Post Carnaval, Saturday, I think. I do speak a little Portuguese and I have been there many times, the girl knows me so I don't know. I agree with the assessment below. Maybe I'll go back again and see what I can do but right now I am pissed off with them. Checked out 173 Toneleros and for my money, that is a much better place now, although pickings can be slim.

Bubba Boy

03-15-11, 12:28

Post Carnaval, Saturday, I think. I do speak a little Portuguese and I have been there many times, the girl knows me so I don't know. I agree with the assessment below. Maybe I'll go back again and see what I can do but right now I am pissed off with them. Checked out 173 Toneleros and for my money, that is a much better place now, although pickings can be slim.You guys have to get down to centro. That is where the true gems are found for a fraction of the cost. In fact Copa and Ipanema has become so stupidly overpriced, not just for P4P, but for everything, that I don't buy anything of any real value in Zona Sul. Centro or even Tijuca offers the same crap for at least 30% cheaper, that is for everything, not just GDP's.

Kojak1

03-15-11, 15:22

Sperto

03-15-11, 19:35

To access these fine casas jump the metro to Saens Pena. All are a max of 5 minutes from the metro. Each place has 1 or 2 very nice quality ladies willing to do pretty much everything. Of course there are more ladies there. Normally at these places you pay a little extra for anal, something like R$20. Can't complain really.
Tigresas Tijucanas, Rua General Roca 340/114 http://www.tigresastijucanas.com M-F 10:00 ás 20.00 Sat 10:00 ás 18:00
Massagem Tijuca, Av Paula e Souza (Maracanã) http://www.massagemtijuca.com.br M-F 10:00 ás 19.30 Sat 10:00 ás 18:30
Mix Massagem, Rua Conde de Bonfim 352 Sala 506 http://www.mixmassagem.com/ M-F 09:00 ás 19.30 Sat 09:00 ás 15.00
Anne Massagem, Rua General Roca 263 http://www.annemassagens.com.br/ M-F 09:00 ás 20.00
Sat 09:00 ás 20.00
Thanks a lot Bubba.
Tijuca was great today.

Very nice privês. The rooms were superb. Big beds, mirrors, AC, very clean and showers in the rooms.
R$50/30 minutes.

Tigresas had several very nice girls.
I had an excellent session with Natasha.
http://www.tigresastijucanas.com/ensaios/natashatigresas/index.html
She looks even better in reality.

Mixmassagem also had some interesting girls.
I got a great session with Paloma.
http://www.mixmassagem.com/palomamix/index.htm
She does BBBJTCWS.

Annemassagem was a little bit lower in quality but had a nice blond girl.

SlimHoleDrill

03-15-11, 21:28

You guys have to get down to centro. That is where the true gems are found for a fraction of the cost. In fact Copa and Ipanema has become so stupidly overpriced, not just for P4P, but for everything, that I don't buy anything of any real value in Zona Sul. Centro or even Tijuca offers the same crap for at least 30% cheaper, that is for everything, not just GDP's.Centro has a lot of options, but not a great place to live or stay. Also closed (mostly) on weekends. Anyway, you can't really compare a high end terma where there is great music, many outstanding girls, but mostly, the time to hang out with them, BS, have drinks before and after, order food, etc. That is undoubtedly different from plugging a hole in joint where the bed is so nasty, you do it standing up and wouldn't dream of taking your shoes off. I'm not being judgmental, because I have space for both of these. But you can't really compare them in a meaningful way. They are different and have different prices, of course. The lower level places in Copacabana are similarly priced and are similar to the centro casas. I paid R75 for a 30 min. Session at Toneleros 173 which is the same I paid the other day at Bel Prazer. But of course, centro has all the dives as well.

What you say about Zona Sul pricing is true but what are you going to do? Live downtown (or stay there if you are visiting)? Some might choose that, but it's not for me and I don't recommend it. Or be based in Zona Sul and jump on the metro for centro when you need a bite to eat, something to drink of something to play with? If you can make it work and it is worth it to you, great. For me, I take advantage of centro when I have to go there anyway. Otherwise, you can have a fair selection of different levels of service even in Copacabana. One thing for sure, you won't get down to VM levels in Copacabana, as far as I know.

Ibn Buttita

03-16-11, 00:18

I liked that class on Comparative Politics in college. Or was it Comparative Literature? Anyway, I love ISG and have read plenty, but sometimes it's hard to compare different mongering destinations without getting some direct expert input. So my solution is to just ask. I'm planning one last major mongering bender in mid April (10-14 days). I hope not to give up the hobby, but in a few months I'll have to pursue it on 'l little here, a little there' basis. In short, one last full-on sex vacation coming up. Sooo. . .

Where to go? I know we have some well-traveled mongerers on the board, so I'm looking for some comparative perspective from guys who have been to the places on this board plus the others I list below. Here are my options; they seem like gaps in my mongering resume I need to fill. (One factor: I have to justify the trip as tourism, so for example a strictly Bangkok trip would definitely raise red flags). Here goes:

Brazil (Rio) – Cost to travel about $1400 – Pros: I generally love Latinas and tan lines and diverse looks, and what I hear about Brazilian girls in bed (confirmed at an FKK and LMP) ; Cons: I would be there around and during holy week; Termas seem expensive and exchange rate to dollar not great; No Portuguese but I've managed with no Spanish in other countries and so maybe can fake it; Been there once (pre mongering days) and want to do non-mongering activities but trip not long enough to see lots of Brazil.

Macau, Changping, Hong Kong (with possible Bangkok layover). Cost to Travel $1000 to $1400 – Pros:; like the idea of trying KTV and Chinese saunas; Can visit a relative in Macau so I have a good pretext to go; Want to go now before scene gets shut down or too pricey; Bangkok layover chance a big plus. Cons: US visa issue, no Chinese language, Macau saunas seem a bit pricey, lots of reports about Chinese girls being too mechanical, though I have contradictory experience in KL and elsewhere. . .

Jakarta – Cost to travel $650 – Pros: Wild girls (threesomes) at Jakarta places, prices seem fair, would like to visit Sumatra so Jakarta a good launch point. Cons: Been to Jakarta and didn't love the city, and that seems like the only place to really monger on the trip; Indo girls nice, but may want more diversity

Other options: Colombia, Manila: been to both places recently, great sex / price, but don't have lots of time to see new parts of country to justify going.

Thanks for indulging my indecision!

Member #3439

03-16-11, 05:11

Cons: I would be there around and during holy week; Termas seem expensive and exchange rate to dollar not great; No Portuguese but I've managed with no Spanish in other countries and so maybe can fake it; Been there once (pre mongering days) and want to do non-mongering activities butGiven your background, I think Rio would (mildly) disappoint you as a sex destination. Its a great city, but isn't ideal for what you described. If you interview in Jakarta for gems the way that people do in Brasil, I know from experience that you'll find Indon girls in the Blok and in Kota that will do everything that's ever been posted in this Rio thread, with equal dedication and at half the price. Jakarta seems like your best option, especially considering your lower costs to get there. BTW, the 'best places for STR thread' is the most appropriate place for this discussion.

What you say about Zona Sul pricing is true but what are you going to do? Live downtown (or stay there if you are visiting)? Some might choose that, but it's not for me and I don't recommend it. Or be based in Zona Sul and jump on the metro for centro when you need a bite to eat, something to drink of something to play with? If you can make it work and it is worth it to you, great. For me, I take advantage of centro when I have to go there anyway.After 2 consecutive trips lodging in Centro, I no longer care to sleep there. I like to monger there, but there are ample buses at all times of day and night running between NS Copa and Pres Vargas, so I'll be staying back in Copa next time. As for food and drink, I think Zona Sul can offer everything that Centro has, and with longer hours. The value of Centro, IMO, is the huge quantity of girls, moderate prices, the adventure of finding them in nook and cranny places all over, and just being in the heart of the old city and appreciating the history and culture.

Eric Cartman

03-17-11, 04:31

Thanks a lot Bubba.

Tijuca was great today.

Very nice privês. The rooms were superb. Big beds, mirrors, AC, very clean and showers in the rooms.

R$50/30 minutes.

Tigresas had several very nice girls.

I had an excellent session with Natasha.

http://www.tigresastijucanas.com/ensaios/natashatigresas/index.html

She looks even better in reality.

Mixmassagem also had some interesting girls.

I got a great session with Paloma.

http://www.mixmassagem.com/palomamix/index.htm

She does BBBJTCWS.

Annemassagem was a little bit lower in quality but had a nice blond girl. Agree that Tijuca has some good places. A word to the wise. Selection is way better during the week than on Saturday (when most are open at least until 5pm). On my last Tijuca Saturday visit, rolled in around 12 noon and the selection was very bad. Hit 3 places in a row without finding a taker. Ended up heading back to Zona Sul fully cocked and empty handed. This is a bit of a bummer for us working stiffs who get in at 8. 30am and leave at 8pm from our Zona Sul HQ's.

On the previous visit, had a solid session at Tigressas. Seriously Tigressas and the other joint are like 5 mins from Saens Paena metro. And the pharmacies right at the metro sell Vitamin V for about 1/2 the price in Zona Sul. 12-pack? Yes I will.

Just a word on the Zona Sul vs. Centro issue. Yes, Bel Prazer, the other prives, and even places like 502, 30, 31 have 1-2 stunners who can be had for R$100 or less, and who will beg to stay at your posh apartment when they're not working. However, at least half of these joints (the prives) aren't open when us working stiffs are heading out of Copa at night. So that's a limiting factor. And if you don't attribute any value to the boates, facilities, etc. Of the higher-end T's, then sure you can look like a chump for paying double what you'd pay at 502.

That said, I like the T's. And with MC's registration program, my 2 sessions tonight (40 mins) cost me a total of R$500 ($504 to be precise). And they were really high near-GFE quality. So in this day and age, I don't consider that a bad deal by T standards. If I had the time to go to Bel Prazer durante o dia, I would.

Mr Enternational

03-17-11, 14:25

Where to go? I know we have some well-traveled mongerers on the board, so I'm looking for some comparative perspective from guys who have been to the places on this board plus the others I list below. Here are my options; they seem like gaps in my mongering resume I need to fill. (One factor: I have to justify the trip as tourism, so for example a strictly Bangkok trip would definitely raise red flags).I'm not sure why a trip to BKK would raise red flags. There is plenty of tourism to do there and all around Thailand. You can go anywhere in the country (with the exception of Phuket) from BKK round trip on Air Asia for US$50.

Super6stud9

03-18-11, 03:48

Love the thick fat pussy on Natasha.

Agree that Tijuca has some good places. A word to the wise. Selection is way better during the week than on Saturday (when most are open at least until 5pm). On my last Tijuca Saturday visit, rolled in around 12 noon and the selection was very bad. Hit 3 places in a row without finding a taker. Ended up heading back to Zona Sul fully cocked and empty handed. This is a bit of a bummer for us working stiffs who get in at 8. 30am and leave at 8pm from our Zona Sul HQ's.

On the previous visit, had a solid session at Tigressas. Seriously Tigressas and the other joint are like 5 mins from Saens Paena metro. And the pharmacies right at the metro sell Vitamin V for about 1/2 the price in Zona Sul. 12-pack? Yes I will.

Just a word on the Zona Sul vs. Centro issue. Yes, Bel Prazer, the other prives, and even places like 502, 30, 31 have 1-2 stunners who can be had for R$100 or less, and who will beg to stay at your posh apartment when they're not working. However, at least half of these joints (the prives) aren't open when us working stiffs are heading out of Copa at night. So that's a limiting factor. And if you don't attribute any value to the boates, facilities, etc. Of the higher-end T's, then sure you can look like a chump for paying double what you'd pay at 502.

That said, I like the T's. And with MC's registration program, my 2 sessions tonight (40 mins) cost me a total of R$500 ($504 to be precise). And they were really high near-GFE quality. So in this day and age, I don't consider that a bad deal by T standards. If I had the time to go to Bel Prazer durante o dia, I would.

Member #3439

03-18-11, 03:52

Tigresas had several very nice girls.

I had an excellent session with Natasha.

http://www.tigresastijucanas.com/ensaios/natashatigresas/index.html

She looks even better in reality. Yes, the Tigresa's pictures are not Photoshop enhanced at all. I was doing Bruna last month and she looks exactly like the pictures. A long haul from Zona Sul, but worthwhile for someone starting in Centro.

I'm not sure why a trip to BKK would raise red flags.Me either, everybody respects a LOS visitor. I met a guy who travels to BKK frequently for business. His home land airport sees this in the passport and sometimes even gives him free inspections of all electronic devices.

Member #3439

03-18-11, 05:41

Just a word on the Zona Sul vs. Centro issue. Yes, Bel Prazer, the other prives, and even places like 502, 30, 31 have 1-2 stunners who can be had for R$100 or less, and who will beg to stay at your posh apartment when they're not working. However, at least half of these joints (the prives) aren't open when us working stiffs are heading out of Copa at night. So that's a limiting factor. And if you don't attribute any value to the boates, facilities, etc. Of the higher-end T's, then sure you can look like a chump for paying double what you'd pay at 502.Would they still be begging if you just had a hotel room and told them we're riding the bus because the metro is closed now? . Last month I got a nice looking early 20's girl from Balcony to ride to Ibis Centro on the bus. Of course that's her normal mode of transportation from her home in Bangu to Copa and back, but I got the sense that she was expecting me, as gringo, to spring for a cab.

With more trips to Rio, I start thinking that banging around all the time in casa/prives, trying to find a girl that will really be a GFE on the first session and worth repeating, is wasted effort, because most aren't GFE the first time and some will never be. Better to develop a low end termas girl into TLN like you said, then hopefully she will stay over and save you from banging a bunch of boring ones the next afternoon at R80+ per. Casas are fun, but the session quality is so variable. After a few trips of fast and furious casa hoppin, it can get tiresome because you hear what they are promising, but in the back of your mind you start to expect in advance that a girl is going to try something stupid like CBJ if she said BBBJ, or dodging if she said CIM, or asking for demanding a tip for anal after she said anal was included. Last time, I didn't even hit the apartments at all and just focused on places like 502 and Florida where girls are still cheap, and there is some time for interaction and a possibility for finding a decent looking girl for TLN. For whatever that's worth. Usually if a girl from a place like that is up for TLN she will suggest it herself, but not always. None at these places did, they were hopping when I was there and girls were really working the crowd, guy to guy, to see who wants to session, rather than sitting with anyone.

Oddly, my best sessions in low end places have been from girls that I did not really interview or converse with prior to session, and that just went crazy on me by chance or because that's their way of operating. The dialogue with the last gem occurred as she was getting ready to walk out of 22, and I grabbed her by the arm and told her in Porto stay here, I want to fuck you. Real classy introduction. 15 minutes later we're in the back, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, BBFS, CIMWS. All happened naturally like 2 dogs meeting in the street, no interviewing, beer, or anything like that beforehand. Smart girl. I came back to hit that every night thereafter. We never really did talk about anything other than the temp of the shower water. first because I'd walk in, smile, pay and go back and we'd go at it like the world was getting ready to end..haha, same thing every night. Second because there was no time for talking because tongues were busy either oral or DFK from time-start to time- finish, and once time was up, I always gave away the remaining swill beer and went back to Centro to bang girls at Florida. Now I realize how stupid it was to be lazy and not to stick around and make conversation, that was so squared away for TLN and next-day. Instead, I'd be down in the apartos the next day spending all kinds of money on girls that were not so good. Fool, I was.

Bubba Boy

03-18-11, 22:13

I need to qualify my post as it was poorly written. It actually had 2 parts to it.

The first part I meant to say that I don't buy anything in Zona Sul that I need for general use. Anything imported I usually get a friend to bring it in. That is like perfume for ladys gifts (for girlfriends etc) , anything electronic like a new camera, anything which you can't just get in Rio. Anything that I need to buy in Brazil I don't buy in Zona Sul I usually go to Centro or further up in Zona Norte. These items include Generic Drugs like Viagra, local clothes, anything needed around the house. Everything that I need I can get in centro or Zona Norte for at least 30% cheaper than I can get it in Copacabana or Ipanema. When you are buying something that is like R$200 or so. 30% to 40% savings is well worth it.

The second part was about women. I know Rio very well. I know all the Termas in Zona Sul, I still go to them and know what girls are there etc. However I rarely bang a girl there now. Just can't justify spending R$300 for a terma girl that I can bang for R$80 or R$150 in centro. I can afford it I just sit there and think "man that girl is exactly the same as say * down in centro but it is like 3 x the price". I just don't pull the trigger as much as I used to in Zona Sul.

Now before someone says there is a lot of leg work to find these gems in Centro etc. Yes there is. However for some one like myself that lives in Rio and has time on his hands it really is a no brainer to find these GDP's at the cheaper places. I am not talking about the shit hole filthy cheapies that are like R$40 a bang. I mean T502 is great, facilities are similar to the Zona Sul T's but way cheaper. Bel Prazer and Dudas are higher class prives in centro and are like R$100 for the hour, their facilities actually nicer than say the rooms at Monte Carlo or Luomo or Cent. There are also a ton of other similar places that I am not going to tell everybody about, well not constantly anyway.

As to the argument that Termas are fun to hang out at. Well sure they are when you are a tourist, but again when you live in Rio they are not nearly as comfortable as banging the same girl at your apartment all night. To me hanging at a Terma is OK, but it kind of gets old once you live in Rio. Hence for my tastes, I still like to go to a Terma every now and again, but it is so much better to work on a nice young centro chic, have her come over for free etc, and then occasional bang at a centro t or casa once or twice a week until your current freebie and yourself "grows apart" and you bring in the next one.

My post is not arguing with anybody, everybody need to find what makes them happy. For me the above is what best fills in my time. What I would suggest to people that visit Rio frequently is do visit centro and put in some effort. Even if you have to bang 3 girls to find that 1 keeper, it is still the same price as banging 1 T girl that may or not be great. For the price of 2 T girls, you can bang 6 girls in centro. Out of those 6 girls you will find someone that clicks with you and it worthy of investing a little bit more time and then you can develop some type of relationship in your own bed. Its all a time versus money numbers game.

Happy hunting!

Bubba Boy

03-18-11, 22:19

Have to agree with you. I don't think whether you have a nice apartment or not really makes any difference. Doesn't hurt, but your approach and your game is way more important. Also agree with you that most girls are comfortable on the bus. I had a very nice girl over a couple months ago that refused taxi money to get back to centro, it was getting late and I thought I could get her to the central bus terminal quicker by offering her taxi cash. She refused saying I was nuts "why would anybody pay R$30 for a taxi when the bus gets there for $2. 40 was something like her answer.

Exec Talent

03-19-11, 00:02

The number one experience enhancer IMHO is learning Portuguese. Whether it is connecting with a non-pro, convincing a termas girl to spend the night or just communicating with that centro apartment girl, speaking Portuguese makes a huge difference. A close second is having a good sense of humor. Brazilians love to joke around.

I recently had to go to the hospital and was lucky to draw a gorgeous female doctor who spoke limited English. She asked me if I use Viagra. I told her no. Why would I? I have a Brazilian girlfriend. After turning red, she couldn't help but laugh.

HungryStud101

03-19-11, 02:56

A close second is having a good sense of humor. Brazilians love to joke around.

I recently had to go to the hospital and was lucky to draw a gorgeous female doctor who spoke limited English. She asked me if I use Viagra. I told her no. Why would I? I have a Brazilian girlfriend. After turning red, she couldn't help but laugh. Hey Exec Talent. I had something similar happen to me at a recent Doctors appointment. My Doctor for the past 30years recently retired. At a recent check-up I met his replacement. She was a stunning young blond 5'5" 110 34B and a recent graduate of UCLA. She just completed her residency and it was her first week of the job. As she studied my charts I asked her if anything jumped out at her. She said for one thing you got to stop masturbating. I said no kidding Doc is it dangerous? And she said no but you can't do that in my office.

Jiggydus

03-19-11, 06:15

Bill Clinton will be in Manaus later that week. You can be sure that he'll be working on some foreign relations.Just keep the likes of Hilary away. Old prudish Euro and American women have a way of trying to exert their prudish norms on fantastic, sexually uninhibited cultures.

Sperto

03-19-11, 13:22

Changed plans. Obama will not appear in public on Cinelândia. Only specially invited people will get to see him inside the Theatro Municipal. It seems that many cariocas got disappointed and pissed of by the changed plans.

Sperto

03-19-11, 13:30

The number of GP's on "ho-beach" have been very low since Help closed. However, yesterday there were at least 25 GP's in front of Othon palace. They were quite busy with a large number of american soldiers.

Obama will stay at Marriot.

BTW, it seems like they are back working on the site of ex-Help. Clearing the last rubbish. Maybe it's time for starting the construction of the Museum?

Kojak1

03-19-11, 15:15

Just went to 22 last night and can confirm that the prices are back to normal. R$ 15 entrance for 3 beers and the half hour option was R$ 75. I went pretty late (close to 2AM) after having drinks at Balcony with friends and left at 3:45. They were still accepting programs at that time. There were about 6 girls in there last night but only 2 decent looking ones.

Member #4732

03-19-11, 15:51

Arrived in Rio yesterday, staying at the Mengo Palace near Catete, simple near metro, access to both center and zona sul. After doing blitz catchup reading on hotside, BubbaBoy and forums, I marked out this agenda.

I speak porto, having lived in Sampa, and very familair with Sampa scene.

Left at 5pm, walked to see the Luciana Massagens, Cacao models (same group) , and Ju Panteras in Rua Bento Lisboa. I sort of felt like I was back in Russia, hunting blindly for the door in a big bldg. I tried to call Ju Panteras, but there was no answer and I only had a note "4th floor". I figured ok, must be a comercial bldg, can't be that many offices on 4th floor. Wrong. Its a big residential bldg with about 50 apartments per floor. I get to 4th floor and am not even sure I am in the right part of the bldg, be / see there were several entrances to the bldg. I say 'f this' and go to the 6'th floor, at least I had a room number for Cacao Models. I went to their door. Again, simple apt. I buzzed, no answer. Some semi-attractive girl comes up hallway from some other location. I say "Cacao Models?","Sim, who do you want to see?". I said, I want a presentacao. She said "there is no presentacao, everything is reservation"."Book?"."No book"."Who is here now?"."Me and (she introduces another girl)." Neither are worth it. So we chat a bit, and I say "Do you know Ju Panteras?"."Yes. 4th floor"."Do you know the room number?" "No". Then just as I am about to leave, a 3rd girl (Rebecca) shows up, and she does know the room number for Ju Panteras. Rebecca is doable, but I decide to continue.

Return to the 4th floor. Find the room for JP. Girl answers door "who do you want to see?"."I want a presentacao". Finally she lets me in. Apartment is small railroad style corridor with small rooms. Only 2 girls. The door answerer Priscila (aka Fernanda) and another unattractive girl. Priscila is ok, corresponds to her foto, tho it was hard to assess corpo under her loose dress. I decided to continue journey.

Original plan was to go to the prives in 3 bldgs near Carioca stationg. But after experience with Bento Lisboa, I decided to go straight to Termas, and postpone till Saturday a visit to the apartments. The problem with the apartments is time. A terma has benefit of girls in one room, and conversation. The apartments are hunt, presentacao and quick yes / no decision. This is tough for a visitor. I understand that it is great option for residents, and I did similar legwork in Russia, but for visitor, even porto speaking, it is a tough option. Maybe I will have a better impression after visiting the Carioca places. In general the 2 I saw yesterday are inferior in organization to Sampa prives. Sampa prives have waiting rooms, and admins, and presentacaos. They do not have web sites. In Rio, they have web sites with pretty girls, but when you show up there are only 2 on site. So they are like inverse patterns.

To Bubba Boy.re your guide. I liked that you did a Teir model on the Termas, that was great value. Maybe a similar thing for the apartments. You indicate below that some apartments / massage are higher end than others. That would help to know.

After this, I went to 4x4, hooked up with pretty passista, thought about a double with her beautiful friend, but decided to start 1:1. Good time was had. Very very active in the bed. No complaints. Hi quality session, except for the shard of broken glass on bed, which she cut her finger on as I was banging her from behind. Fortunately it was at the end of session and the cut was minor. I was impressed with the looks of the 4x4 girls. Good selection for my taste.

Decided to check out 65, down the street. Went there, but the 20+ girls were weak imo. Significant downgrade from 4x4. Like a 5 kilo difference on average. I stood around and decided,"this is not worth it, maybe the hot ones are in rooms, but f' it, I can go back to 4x4". So I left and decided to go to Cancun.

Cancun, nice facilities. Live pagode music, nice. The girls were midway be / t 4x4 and 65 on on average. Not as many top end as in 4x4 but better on average than 65. Conversed a while and settled on a sweet little somewhat reserved negra. In the room, it was a real special time. There was a good connection be / t us, and the sex was extremely powerful.

All in all a good night. Am about to leave for rendesvous with a highly rated indy, and then it will be off to either the Carioca prives or the copa termas. Not sure if Carioca prives are open Saturday.

Bubba Boy

03-19-11, 19:52

The 2 best and largest prives in centro are Bel Prazer & Dudas, although both in different buildings they are like 100 yards apart.

I agree 4x4 is probably the best Terma in centro as far as quality. It is the largest Terma in Rio as far as numbers goes and has over 60 cabines, I have actually had to wait a number of times for a cabine to come free, hence were 60 people banging plus a few waiting, quite large! Also drop by T502 while on your way there. It is like 300 yards away from 4x4 and only R$20 to enter, R$120 for 40 minutes, represents the best value Terma in Rio and has some cute girls, I think they have cuter girls there than T65 or Cancun! A couple of the really cute girls just left T502, when they were there I think it had even better girls than 4x4!

One point on 4x4, if you are in the boite you may not see the hottest girls come through. The really hot girls are booked for a good portion of the night, only see them come down to the boite a few times during the night and then they only stay a few minutes before they are dragged bag up to the cabine. Despite its size, it is very much a place where you need to go a few times and get to know a couple of girls before you get to see everybody and to see some of its finest!

Exec Talent

03-19-11, 20:40

Definitely worth checking out. Several girls here told me they used to work at 4x4 but get suspended for not showing up or coming in late too many times. Management at 502 is not as strict and often girls who need a more flexible schedule or are waiting out a suspension will show up there.

Member #3439

03-20-11, 04:56

What I would suggest to people that visit Rio frequently is do visit centro and put in some effort. Even if you have to bang 3 girls to find that 1 keeper, it is still the same price as banging 1 T girl that may or not be great. For the price of 2 T girls, you can bang 6 girls in centro. Out of those 6 girls you will find someone that clicks with you and it worthy of investing a little bit more time and then you can develop some type of relationship in your own bed. Its all a time versus money numbers game.Absolutely, this is sage advice. Time vs Money just like everything else in life. From the perspective of this non-resident, your 'put in effort' comment means not just doing a lot of sessions, but also learning some Porto, like ET said, knowing the onibuses for those times when the metro has already closed for the night, keeping your room stocked with some drinks, having an idea of what to do with the girl in off-hours other than fuck, and maybe bring in some Victoria's Secret stuff for wooing. You can't count on the girls to know any English or to know where they'd like to go for food, because most don't have any English skills and most don't know the areas of Centro or Zona Sul, except how to get to where they solicit and back to the bus stop. Most of the girls seem to be from 30+ minutes away, and sometimes they are from places like Minas Gerais and live in the back in the brothel, saving their money, have no real time off except for sleeping and don't know anything decent in Centro even though they, for all practical purposes, live there. And NO, PC-lurkers, they are not trafficked. The girls are there because they have babies from deadbeat Brasilian dads. They work for so long, then go home for a time and live off our money. Then when they run out, they come back to the city to earn more.

I recommend starting with Centro termas girls and not Centro prive/aparto girls. There must be a reason why a 8+/10 Copa termas quality girl worthy of takeout chooses to work Centro apartos for low money, and that reason is most likely because she has nighttime commitments (or herpes..reality check!). I think Centro termas is the place to start for the more advanced/bored/frugal monger wanting to try takeout from Centro. Non-frequent or first time visitors are better served staying in Copa and hitting Luomo/MC and Balcony and doing the same thing easier at higher prices. They can save money in between visits, no problem.

Definitely worth checking out. Several girls here told me they used to work at 4x4 but get suspended for not showing up or coming in late too many times. Management at 502 is not as strict and often girls who need a more flexible schedule or are waiting out a suspension will show up there.

Yes! R$120/40 and the environment in the boite is better than anyplace else that I know of, lots of dancing, etc. My experiences last month were good. I just randomly selected a girl there and she was worth my repeats (find a married girl there if you can, they are there for the sex and the money is a fringe benefit) and 502 made me give up on Club Florida, need I say more...

Not sure if Carioca prives are open Saturday.

Bel Prazer is open 10-3 Sat and is nearby. www.belprazer.com Sessions there are usually good, special services are not hard to come by. I have done Bruna anal but must advise that her cu is prettier than her face. Betina is reputed to do anal but I haven't experienced her, so can't vouch for it.

Amerioca

03-20-11, 15:24

HungryStud101

03-20-11, 20:51

The number of GP's on "ho-beach" have been very low since Help closed. However, yesterday there were at least 25 GP's in front of Othon palace. They were quite busy with a large number of american soldiers.

Obama will stay at Marriot.

? This is good. The Mariott is GDP friendly. Tell Obama if they stop him it is OK. They will just make her sign in and they will not charge for her.

Dutch44

03-20-11, 21:20

Hi all,

It seems the websites from karlamodels and scortshow are down today (Sunday). Anyone knows more? Is it perhaps just temporary maintenance?

Dutch44

Sperto

03-21-11, 13:22

Left at 5pm, walked to see the Luciana Massagens, Cacao models (same group) , and Ju Panteras in Rua Bento Lisboa. I sort of felt like I was back in Russia, hunting blindly for the door in a big bldg. I tried to call Ju Panteras, but there was no answer and I only had a note "4th floor". I figured ok, must be a comercial bldg, can't be that many offices on 4th floor. Wrong. Its a big residential bldg with about 50 apartments per floor. I get to 4th floor and am not even sure I am in the right part of the bldg, be / see there were several entrances to the bldg. I say 'f this' and go to the 6'th floor, at least I had a room number for Cacao Models. I went to their door. Again, simple apt. I buzzed, no answer. Some semi-attractive girl comes up hallway from some other location. I say "Cacao Models?","Sim, who do you want to see?". I said, I want a presentacao. She said "there is no presentacao, everything is reservation"."Book?"."No book"."Who is here now?"."Me and (she introduces another girl)." Neither are worth it. So we chat a bit, and I say "Do you know Ju Panteras?"."Yes. 4th floor"."Do you know the room number?" "No". Then just as I am about to leave, a 3rd girl (Rebecca) shows up, and she does know the room number for Ju Panteras. Rebecca is doable, but I decide to continue.

Return to the 4th floor. Find the room for JP. Girl answers door "who do you want to see?"."I want a presentacao". Finally she lets me in. Apartment is small railroad style corridor with small rooms. Only 2 girls. The door answerer Priscila (aka Fernanda) and another unattractive girl. Priscila is ok, corresponds to her foto, tho it was hard to assess corpo under her loose dress. I decided to continue journey. I went to Largo do Machado last Friday. A big disappointment.

I went to Rua Bento Lisboa. 184. First I tried Luciana Massagens in sala 609. The girl that opened told me they only worked by appointment and only one more girl was available right then. Nothing interesting.

Then I went down to sala 314 which is supposed to have a privê. It seemed to be closed.

Finally I started looking for Jú Panteras. I only knew that it was located on the fourth floor, but I had no sala number. I couldn't start knocking on 26 salas to find the right door so I went down to ask the fat porteiro. He turned out to be a real a-hole. He informed me, with a big smile, that he never heard about a privé in that building and even if he had he would never tell me as it would be against the rules. I tried to call three different numbers to Jú Panteras, but no answer. I asked the guys working in the cabellereiro next door. They all knew about sala 614 but nobody could tell the sala number for Jú Panteras.

A bit sad as I wanted to try Teka / Ingrid (even though she got quite bad reviews at Gpguia).

http://www.jupanteras.com/meninas/teka/teka.htm

No need for crying. A short metro ride to Carioca and I was soon in one of my favourite privês.

BTW Rovnak, it would be great if you could tell the sala number for Jú Panteras?

Bubba Boy

03-21-11, 13:50

From my notebook:-

Ju Panteras 3902-5843 Rua Bento Lisboa 184 Sala 1021 Largo do Machado http://jupanteras.com

I can't remember it being on the fourth floor. I was there maybe 2 weeks ago. When you leave the elevator you take a left then head to the end of the corridor and it is the last door on your right.

Bubba Boy

03-21-11, 14:56

From my notebook:-

Ju Panteras 3902-5843 Rua Bento Lisboa 184 Sala 1021 Largo do Machado.

http://jupanteras.com

I can't remember it being on the fourth floor. I was there maybe 2 weeks ago. When you leave the elevator you take a left then head to the end of the corridor and it is the last door on your right. I screwed this post up. When you leave the elevator you leave to the right and then go right again. Ju's is towards the end of the corridor on the right. I think it is the second last door on the right.

Sperto

03-21-11, 22:01

From my notebook:-

Ju Panteras 3902-5843 Rua Bento Lisboa 184 Sala 1021 Largo do Machado.

http://jupanteras.comSala 1021. Thank you mestre Bubba. I just heard it was sala 423, but that must be old info.

I went to Tigresastijucanas today again. It was very busy already at 10 AM. Marcele, 19 year old mulatta with wonderful tits, gave top-class service (she doesn't have her photos on the site because of the risc of her family discovering her profession). Well invested R$50.

Bubba Boy

03-21-11, 22:17

Sala 1021. Thank you mestre Bubba. I just heard it was sala 423, but that must be old info.

I went to Tigresastijucanas today again. It was very busy already at 10 AM. Marcele. 19 year old mulatta with wonderful tits, gave top-class service (she doesn't have her photos on the site because of the risc of her family discovering her profession). Well invested R$50. She actually did have her photos on the site until this week. She is hot. Does anal for an extra R$20! Good choice Sperto.

Did you see rafaela in the line up there? She is new and judging by her photos looks like my type.

Brazil Specialist

03-22-11, 03:11

I went to Largo do Machado last Friday. A big disappointment.

I went to Rua Bento Lisboa. 184. First I tried Luciana Massagens in sala 609. The girl that opened told me they only worked by appointment and only one more girl was available right then. Nothing interesting.

Then I went down to sala 314 which is supposed to have a privê. It seemed to be closed.

Finally I started looking for Jú Panteras. I only knew that it was located on the fourth floor, but I had no sala number. I couldn't start knocking on 26 salas to find the right door so I went down to ask the fat porteiro. He turned out to be a real a-hole. He informed me, with a big smile, that he never heard about a privé in that building and even if he had he would never tell me as it would be against the rules. I tried to call three different numbers to Jú Panteras, but no answer. I asked the guys working in the cabellereiro next door. They all knew about sala 614 but nobody could tell the sala number for Jú Panteras.

A bit sad as I wanted to try Teka / Ingrid (even though she got quite bad reviews at Gpguia).

http://www.jupanteras.com/meninas/teka/teka.htmWhen in Rio, do as the Cariocas do: For heaven's sake stick to the rules.

I am really worried. Every day a different set of gringos stumbling all over the building, looking and asking for wh. Re houses, tipping of the neighbors, bothering the door man, and creating ill will for the massage parlor.

Sperto at least is not clue-less, imagine the damage a group of loud trash talking drunk gringos can do.

Loudly talking indecent whoring issues in English believing nobody understands what they talk.

Next thing, another set of wh. Re houses will be closed, due to neighbor's complaints.

10 years ago Newscort, scortshow, karlamodels, everyone had prives. All got closed down, because neighbors don't like living next to brothels.

And then the only option is to pay R$ 60 for a motel, and you have no other option then to order a girl ahead of time.

Why don't you go to scortshow and try to knock at their door? Not too hard to find out the building.

Going straight to scort show is just as taboo as knocking at jupanteras without an appointment. When in Rome do as the Romans do. And when in Rio, do as the Cariocas do.

These agencies have different apartments, when you make your appointment they will tell you which apartment to go to.

Why do you think they don't publish their address in their web sites? Because they don't want you to show up unannounced. And they don't want their neighbors to Google their address and find they live next door to a wh. Ore house.

If you can not do the rules, stick to tourist traps like Barbarella. Or VM, where nothing is secret, nobody is hiding from the neighbors.

In VM and similar places, people who violate rules are beaten, sometimes even killed. Security is in the hand of milicia, mafia, off duty police goons, etc. If you don't stick to the rules in VM, mafia probably will spare you a serious beating, giving you credit for being a clueless gringo. But if they tell you to get lost and not come back, better heed their advice. Or even better, be well informed, well guided, and well behaved so you don't get in trouble in the first place.

Last time I published about some agencies, someone warned me I should not have done it. They were probably right.

I often take people with me to places I go to. Not only people who rent my rooms but often just other foreigners. A few will insist on not keeping to rules, skimping on R$ 5 beers, etc. These are usually the same guys who plunk down R$ 500 at a terma, but then are too cheap to pay R$ 5 or 10 even though they groped a few girls.

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I wonder what is wrong with Teka at jupanteras. I did her a year ago and she was great. But girls get older and more seasoned.

I went to jupanteras today. The only interesting one was Keyla (I thought, from the photos). I made an appointment, saw her, found I was very mistaken and backed out. They charge me a R$ 10 fee. Well, better paying R$ 10 then f. Cking a dog.

Polyana is wonderful, highly praised in all boards. Did her before, and will repeat (I rarely repeat).

Bubba Boy

03-22-11, 12:17

The few times I have been there, there have always been Brazilian guys knocking on the door looking for a presentation. It is not just gringos. I know they want everyone to book but the realty is many people turn up and just knock. I don't think it is fair that Brazilspecialist says gringos are loud. Possibly drunk etc. In my experience the local Brazilian guys are way louder, way pushier and generally cause a much bigger scene than 95% of gringos. I frequent mostly Brazilian only clubs now and it is a much harder environment!

Sperto

03-22-11, 13:35

She actually did have her photos on the site until this week. She is hot. Does anal for an extra R$20! Good choice Sperto.

Did you see rafaela in the line up there? She is new and judging by her photos looks like my type. Marcele didn't do anal yesterday as she wasn't "prepared". I didn't see Rafaela yesterday, but I saw her last week. She was my first choice until Natasha presented herself with her impressive tits.

Sperto

03-22-11, 14:05

When in Rio, do as the Cariocas do: For heaven's sake stick to the rules.

Why do you think they don't publish their address in their web sites? Because they don't want you to show up unannounced. Most privês don't show their address in classificados or on their site. The main reason isn't because they don't want you to show up unannounced. They are discreet establishments, sometimes located in residential buildings or office buildings. Also they don't want a lot of guys just showing up to take a peak withou having a session and waste their time. Privês are different from BA85 etc.

Normally it's no problem at all just showing up without an appointment, see their girls and maybe have a session. Of course there are a few exceptions where they might insist on you making an appointment, e g Luciana Massagens.

Ibn Buttita

03-22-11, 19:56

Given your background, I think Rio would (mildly) disappoint you as a sex destination. Its a great city, but isn't ideal for what you described. If you interview in Jakarta for gems the way that people do in Brasil, I know from experience that you'll find Indon girls in the Blok and in Kota that will do everything that's ever been posted in this Rio thread, with equal dedication and at half the price. Jakarta seems like your best option, especially considering your lower costs to get there. BTW, the 'best places for STR thread' is the most appropriate place for this discussion.Thanks very much for the insight, Puta Playa (and for the tip on the ST thread, which ought to get more attention). I'm still on the fence, in large part due to the recent posts on privês. The girls on those sites and the escort sites like Karla look amazing, and the prices seem reasonable. Can I assume a lot of that is Photoshop magic, or is the quality actually rather good? I have been doing a lot of looking at the photo galleries for Indonesia and Brazil, and have to say that, except for the incomparable Brazilian bunda and tan lines, the Indon girls hold their own. (And to my eye, based on experiences in Colombia, Philippines, and a few other places, there's a fine line between the facial beauty of Latinas and SE Asian girls. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes).

A more practical matter: since my trip would coincide with holy week and Easter, would most places (of all varieties. Privês, thermas, clubs) have reduced hours of operation and fewer girls? Transportation headaches are also a concern. I'd prefer to spend time in Rio as a city over Jakarta, but would holy week be the nail in the coffin of this trip as far as some travel / lodging outside of the city?

Thanks also to Mr. Enternational; I agree that there are tons of things to do in Thailand, but I know that some people I know who would hear of a strictly Thailand trip would draw the wrong (but actually very correct) conclusions about the goal of my visit!

Pointofview

03-23-11, 04:59

Thanks very much for the insight, Puta Playa (and for the tip on the ST thread, which ought to get more attention). I'm still on the fence, in large part due to the recent posts on privês. The girls on those sites and the escort sites like Karla look amazing, and the prices seem reasonable. Can I assume a lot of that is Photoshop magic, or is the quality actually rather good? I have been doing a lot of looking at the photo galleries for Indonesia and Brazil, and have to say that, except for the incomparable Brazilian bunda and tan lines, the Indon girls hold their own. (And to my eye, based on experiences in Colombia, Philippines, and a few other places, there's a fine line between the facial beauty of Latinas and SE Asian girls. It's really hard to tell the difference sometimes).

A more practical matter: since my trip would coincide with holy week and Easter, would most places (of all varieties. Privês, thermas, clubs) have reduced hours of operation and fewer girls? Transportation headaches are also a concern. I'd prefer to spend time in Rio as a city over Jakarta, but would holy week be the nail in the coffin of this trip as far as some travel / lodging outside of the city?

Thanks also to Mr. Enternational; I agree that there are tons of things to do in Thailand, but I know that some people I know who would hear of a strictly Thailand trip would draw the wrong (but actually very correct) conclusions about the goal of my visit! I really like reading your posts. Insightful. At this point and time my focus is on south america (Brazil in particular).

I am heading down for 2 weeks in early April and would like to know some of the best hotels / motels to stay at in Rio, Sao Paulo and Salvador that is in the heart for the best action.

Thailand will be my focus next year. And looking forward to heading east. Once this is complete, I to will be able to make comparisons either way!

Looking forward to any info / suggestions!

HelpRules

03-23-11, 10:50

In Rio I would avoid the hotels. The exchange rate is horrible. You can get a really nice apartment in Rio for half the price.

Jan 156

03-23-11, 19:58

I'm planning one last major mongering bender in mid April (10-14 days).

(One factor: I have to justify the trip as tourism, so for example a strictly Bangkok trip would definitely raise red flags). Here goes:

Brazil (Rio) – Cost to travel about $1400 – Pros: I generally love Latinas and tan lines and diverse looks, and what I hear about Brazilian girls in bed (confirmed at an FKK and LMP) ; Cons: I would be there around and during holy week; Termas seem expensive and exchange rate to dollar not great; No Portuguese but I've managed with no Spanish in other countries and so maybe can fake it; Been there once (pre mongering days) and want to do non-mongering activities but trip not long enough to see lots of Brazil.

I don't know if this helps, but compared to the other places you mention I think one downside of Brasil is that, even for an experienced monger, your first time there you are more of a 'newbie' than in places like Manila, Bangkok, Hong Kong, FKK or LMP. 10-14 days is not very long, also considering the amount of hassle involved. I think Puta Playa did a 'how to do Rio in a few days' post a while back, as others have. But it is no cake walk. Would suggest lots of research and very clear (but adaptable) plans.

Macau, Changping, Hong Kong (with possible Bangkok layover). Cost to Travel $1000 to $1400 – Pros:; like the idea of trying KTV and Chinese saunas; Can visit a relative in Macau so I have a good pretext to go; Want to go now before scene gets shut down or too pricey; Bangkok layover chance a big plus. Cons: US visa issue, no Chinese language, Macau saunas seem a bit pricey, lots of reports about Chinese girls being too mechanical, though I have contradictory experience in KL and elsewhere. . .Not as big a scene as RJ, BKK or MNL but much more straightforward. If you stay in HK mainland rather than the expensive island itself you can get reasonable hotels, yellow-sign parlours, or genteel 'streetwalkers' with nearby apartments. ANd plenty of cultural diversity once you look for it (ignoring the determined tourist-programming that hits as soon as you step foot in there).

Jakarta – Cost to travel $650 – Pros: Wild girls (threesomes) at Jakarta places, prices seem fair, would like to visit Sumatra so Jakarta a good launch point. Cons: Been to Jakarta and didn't love the city, and that seems like the only place to really monger on the trip; Indo girls nice, but may want more diversityI've been a couple of times and hated the place, but PP seems to know his stuff there and I would probably take his advice if I went back. You can get short flights to Bali, BKK or Singapore from there if you don't like it. (depending on taste, but Singapore-Geylang is the no-fuss option).

Other options: Colombia, Manila: been to both places recently, great sex / price, but don't have lots of time to see new parts of country to justify going.Plus, it has to be said, Manilia is a bit of a shit hole. If you can get out to the nicer places (I liked the floating bars area near Subic Bay) it has much to offer, but getting around can be either a hassle or expensive due to the fairly dire infrastructure.[/QUOTE]

Exec Talent

03-23-11, 21:56

In Rio I would avoid the hotels. The exchange rate is horrible. You can get a really nice apartment in Rio for half the price.Please elaborate in the hotel / apartment thread. Granted hotels are now R$240+ per day, but where are you finding "really nice aparments" for R$120? I am sure I am not the only one who would like to know.

Member #3439

03-24-11, 05:18

I'm still on the fence, in large part due to the recent posts on privês.

A more practical matter: since my trip would coincide with holy week and Easter, would most places (of all varieties. Privês, thermas, clubs) have reduced hours of operation and fewer girls? Transportation headaches are also a concern. I'd prefer to spend time in Rio as a city over Jakarta, but would holy week be the nail in the coffin of this trip as far as some travel / lodging outside of the city? If transportation headaches are a concern, Rio privês and Jakarta in general are not for you. Privês require you to take subway / bus rides and a lot of walking to orient yourself to where you've landed, and walk all over to interview and find suitable GFE girls that provide good services like BBBJWCIM and anal. Take Tijuca Tigressas for an example. The first time, I walked all over that hill for a half hour questioning myself, and even stopped at an internet cafe to double check, before figuring out that yes, my note is correct and it really is somewhere inside that damn parking garage..I don't expect a ho house to be inside a parking garage and thinking my note must be wrong. haha! Also, one of the apartos on Rio Branco is weird as well. The elevator stops one floor below and then you have to walk up a flight of stairs. Some people never figure that out and just leave. The mongering scene in Rio is big, but 95% of it is somewhat clandestine and geared toward the locals. You don't see a lot of girls selling, or any big flashing signs. For example, everyone here hits Luomo at some point. The place is buried upstair in a mall and you'd never know it existed unless someone told you. You could walk by and not even know it was one of the best little ho houses in Rio.

Jakarta in general is a whole different thing. Transportation nightmare during the daytime. The night isn't much better. Much, much harder than Rio.

Sounds like maybe the Phillipines is the place for you, if you've been there before, know it, etc. Your stated goal was to have one last big mongering trip, so perhaps you should focus on a place like PI with low cost, high quality, high volume sex and not worry about the allure of Rio as a city. Sugarloaf Mountain is cool, but you can't fuck it. And if you try to hump the base of Cristo Redentor during Holy Week they'll probably call in the BOPE. You're an experienced guy. Pick your favorite place from the past, and go back to that place that you already know if you want to have the best experience in a short time. Don't be misled by the exploits of people on this thread. Most of the contributors here have been to Rio multiple times before being comfortable enough to do things that they've posted. Some live there, some almost live there, most speak the language to some extent. It's not like the Brasil of 5 or more years ago when the girls were sometimes actually selling ass to afford food and lodging. That's the Brasil that made Brasil famous. Now people come and think it must be the sensual ways of the Brasilieras that made Rio famous as a P4P destination. I think it was the fact that the girls were truly poor until the last few years, and looked up to a ''rich gringo', routinely practiced unsafe sex due to ignorance or not caring, and usually wanted to stay over for the night. The girls were even wanting marriage to gringos. Not so any more. Now you have to make an effort and go after them, where they work, interview them, pretend you like them, etc.

Contrast that with Jakarta where you can just walk around a mall and be picked up by a 'student' who needs money, and she'll fuck you bareback, CIM or whatever you want, and hang out all afternoon. Brasilian girls don't chase gringos anymore, they let the gringos come to them. They think like business people and not poor people, cause they're no longer poor. Better of sticking with what you know....each time in a place tends to be better than the last.

Jan 156

03-24-11, 06:05

Sounds like maybe the Philippines is the place for you, if you've been there before, know it, etc. Your stated goal was to have one last big mongering trip, so perhaps you should focus on a place like PI with low cost, high quality, high volume sex and not worry about the allure of Rio as a city.He's got a point. Whether you go to Manila or Angeles City. Very much a matter of taste as they are so different. But you can stay somewhere at reasonable cost and have as much pussy as you can lick your cream on from right on your doorstep. There are other areas of Philippines that appeal, but mostly on the scenic attractions (largely lacking in AC and MNL, although there are some). I don't know the islands that well, but if you want a paradise, Blue Rock (http://www.bluerocksubic.com/) Hotel up in Subic is pretty good and cheap as well. Apartment that fronts on to the beach, good food (including Australian steaks, and remember good food is not generally a speciality in Philippines!) , a floating bar with first class music, beer and you can take the waitresses if you want, or walk a hundred yards or so to the main strip for the usual MNL / AC-style babe bars. You can even ask the hotel to arrange a taxi from the airport probably if you don't want to get a bus. The taxi won't be cheap but it lets you have a bit of style getting away from the AC / MNL rat-race so to speak. . .

Anyway, good luck, whatever you decide!

Ipanema Carioca

03-25-11, 22:34

Please elaborate in the hotel / apartment thread. Granted hotels are now R$240+ per day, but where are you finding "really nice aparments" for R$120? I am sure I am not the only one who would like to know.I am finding that the apartment market is high and the quality in Rio has gone with Club Help. Help's closure has given the apartment pool available to gringos wallet burn. I've been in Rio 5 times in 2009 and times in 2010, which gives me an idea of the apartment situation from researching where I would stay. Like termas and other Brazilian business people, as the renter pool shrink the price goes up. During the after the boom mongering days, many apartment owners are not upgrading or fixing wear and tear in apartments. I have inspected apartments with made beds of dirty linen, and bad plumbing with dirty floors and etc. Plus, you never know your neighbors, mongers, gdp, or possible crazies to criminals. So I've been happy with hotels.

The hotels I've been in have clean linen every morning or on demand. Maid service by professional maids with supervisors inspecting after the maids. Most apartment owners or middlemen either half clean the apartments themselves, or some friend. Imagine sitting on dirty apartment toilets, or a male or female who comes to your apartment to make your bed or change your linen after wiping their own ass.

Maybe I'm too funny. But I don't travel so far to live worse than I do at home. I like the smell of disinfectant when I walk into where I am temporary living. As for the gdp fee, when I add up the sheets and towels I use in my Rio 10-15 stay, it adds up money and time. So the gdp fee is a convenience trade off. Plus the free breakfast, and knowing there is in house security and door made who are not easily paid off by a gdp to stalk you.

Just my humble opinion. You get what you like and pay for.

Prosal

03-25-11, 23:35

JakartaJakarta is definitively the best option in SE Asia. The eye candy is really outstanding. You could see more gorgeous women there in a half hour then you will see in Bangkok or Manilla in one month. Indonesian girls are REALLY unique in their appearence, thanks to the Malay, Chinese, Indian and Dutch mixes.

Furthermore they are definitely the most easy going girls on the planet and a guy with "skills" can get more freebies than he can juggle with. If you're the kind of monger who plays the non-pro chase game, Indonesia is the place to be (well, with FSU). Rio, AC or BKK are prostitution meccas only good if you appreciate wores who have had miles of cock.

Also Jakarta has one of the most vibrant nightlife in the world.

Jakarta freebies :

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Ken_Apples

03-26-11, 00:02

It's not like the Brasil of 5 or more years ago when the girls were sometimes actually selling ass to afford food and lodging. That's the Brasil that made Brasil famous. Now people come and think it must be the sensual ways of the Brasilieras that made Rio famous as a P4P destination. I think it was the fact that the girls were truly poor until the last few years, and looked up to a ''rich gringo', routinely practiced unsafe sex due to ignorance or not caring, and usually wanted to stay over for the night. The girls were even wanting marriage to gringos. Not so any more. Now you have to make an effort and go after them, where they work, interview them, pretend you like them, etc.2011, Copa and even centro is just a pale shade of it's better days. Some would even call it a joke. (Prices not even discussed). For those who know Rio very well, and put in the effort and do the footwork, fun can still be found.

- But why would you want to do that, if you are on vaccation to relax?

There are hiploads of places these days that offers more fun, better prices, better services and much easier access than Rio of 2011.

Of course you can chase the nonpro if that is your thing, but that you can do back home as well, right?

And also for the Brazilian pro girls, you have plenty of them now working in USA and Europe, just to pick easy.

IMHO, Rio is like the P4P Titanic, once a glorious big ship, and if not resting on the bottom of the ocean, there are very few lights from the deck that still is above the waterline.

Save your time, money and go elsewhere. (I know I will)

Best regards, Ken.

Ps: Puta, I was just as confused about the garage at Tigresa.

Eric Cartman

03-26-11, 03:10

There are hiploads of places these days that offers more fun, better prices, better services and much easier access than Rio of 2011.I've been living in Rio for 6 months now and I think Puta and you nailed it to a high degree. But I'm curious what places you think are more fun, better prices and better services? I've been to Thailand (BKK, Pattaya, Chang Mai, Phuket) and Germany's FKKs but I wouldn't say they have "better services". The GFE you can get in Brazil, even today, is better than I ever got in those places. Though I really enjoyed the FKKs. Anyway, love to learn more.

Sunset Strip

03-26-11, 03:25

Ibn Buttita,

Another mongering spot is Tijuana, Mexico. The prices are VERY cheap. $20 / max on the street and around $60 for an hour for a club girl.

Plus you can always stay in San Diego, as most of us do and just take the trolley (public transportation) down to the border (30-45min ride from DT San Diego). Nobody knows you were in Mexico.

Right now Brazil is good for those with connections. I am there around every 4 months and know plenty of people. I know where to go and thus spend very little while in town (around 50 reais per day!). But for a newbie this frugal living would be impossible. Just go to Tijuana, enjoy yourself and have a good time.

I was there last month and enjoyed it.

SS

Sperto

03-26-11, 14:09

Ps: Puta, I was just as confused about the garage at Tigresa.I passed by twice, scratching my head, before I found the entrance. The entrance is well hidden.

... Rio is over.Yes, Rio is over. Everybody stay away! .

Lorenzo

03-26-11, 17:11

Yes, Rio is over. Everybody stay away! .So you can have it all to yourself, eh?

Ipanema Carioca

03-26-11, 19:08

I am finding that the apartment market is high and the quality in Rio has gone with Club Help. Help's closure has given the apartment pool available to gringos wallet burn. I've been in Rio 5 times in 2009 and times in 2010, which gives me an idea of the apartment situation from researching where I would stay. Like termas and other Brazilian business people, as the renter pool shrink the price goes up. During the after the boom mongering days, many apartment owners are not upgrading or fixing wear and tear in apartments. I have inspected apartments with made beds of dirty linen, and bad plumbing with dirty floors and etc. Plus, you never know your neighbors, mongers, gdp, or possible crazies to criminals. So I've been happy with hotels.

The hotels I've been in have clean linen every morning or on demand. Maid service by professional maids with supervisors inspecting after the maids. Most apartment owners or middlemen either half clean the apartments themselves, or some friend. Imagine sitting on dirty apartment toilets, or a male or female who comes to your apartment to make your bed or change your linen after wiping their own ass.

Maybe I'm too funny. But I don't travel so far to live worse than I do at home. I like the smell of disinfectant when I walk into where I am temporary living. As for the gdp fee, when I add up the sheets and towels I use in my Rio 10-15 stay, it adds up money and time. So the gdp fee is a convenience trade off. Plus the free breakfast, and knowing there is in house security and door made who are not easily paid off by a gdp to stalk you.

Just my humble opinion. You get what you like and pay for. If you are going to Rio and you are renting apartment from rentaflatinrio. Com. When you get down there. They want you to sign a contract. Saying that you would not allow to bring vistors to the apartment for sexual purposes. 2. If you break rules, you agree to pay an extra fine R$2, 000. And any other fines issued by condominium, brazilian law enforcement. And need to be paid in cash within 24 hrs. There is a total of about 15 things the contract has on it. I don't know about other renting agency. HAS ANY BODY HEARD OF THIS?

Sunset Strip

03-26-11, 19:55

Jan 156

03-26-11, 20:57

http://rentaflat.com.br/

This company long been known for being one of the stricter agencies out there. They have a long contract and will attempt to find you at fault for something!

Years ago they faked a high electrical reading to get money out of me. I was there for about a week to 10 days and my electric bill, according to them, was 200R. The guy claimed the meter (a circular one) had gone all the way around because I most have overused the utilities. This was total BS. I purposely used very little and now the reading showed I had barely used it. The meter had barely moved; which he read to mean it had circled around!

Then the rental guy attempted to blame me for a blue stain on the wall, which was caused by a blue blanket covering they had on the couch (the blanket obviously had been there for years and is still seen in pictures of this apartment on the site. But somehow the guy suddenly noticed it when checking me out. He supposedly decided to check behind the couch and low and behold, saw this stain! He tried to charge me and I got very angry.

Like many renters around the world, they keep a safety deposit and like many of these renters they attempt to keep as much of it as possible.

Stay away from them. Stick with the usual sites mentioned here on the ISG!

http://rentaflat.com.br/

Is NOT monger-friendly!

SSSorry, I have used them many times before I got my own arrangements and they were always excellent. Reasonably priced, businesslike, fair, did meter readings while I was there so I could check, waived the deposit on all except my initial booking and waived that as well after I had haggled a bit. Also let me leave my stuff there on numerous occasions while I went to view as many flats as I wanted before deciding. I'd have no hesitation recommending them except if someone does know how to deal with Brasilians. As Brasilian rental agencies go, these are honest in my experience. I've never had to sign an anti-mongering contract - but there again, I don't look dodgy.

Ipanema Carioca

03-26-11, 21:35

Sorry, I have used them many times before I got my own arrangements and they were always excellent. Reasonably priced, businesslike, fair, did meter readings while I was there so I could check, waived the deposit on all except my initial booking and waived that as well after I had haggled a bit. Also let me leave my stuff there on numerous occasions while I went to view as many flats as I wanted before deciding. I'd have no hesitation recommending them except if someone does know how to deal with Brasilians. As Brasilian rental agencies go, these are honest in my experience. I've never had to sign an anti-mongering contract - but there again, I don't look dodgy.Christopherd,

A friend sent me this question today:

If you are going to Rio and you are renting apartment from rentaflatinrio. Com. When you get down there. They want you to sign a contract. Saying that you would not allow to bring vistors to the apartment for sexual purposes. 2. If you break rules, you agree to pay an extra fine R$2, 000. And any other fines issued by condominium, brazilian law enforcement. And need to be paid in cash within 24 hrs. There is a total of about 15 things the contract has on it. I don't know about other renting agency. HAS ANY BODY HEARD OF THIS

Eros74

03-26-11, 22:49

Christopherd,

A friend sent me this question today:

If you are going to Rio and you are renting apartment from rentaflatinrio. Com. When you get down there. They want you to sign a contract. Saying that you would not allow to bring vistors to the apartment for sexual purposes. 2. If you break rules, you agree to pay an extra fine R$2, 000. And any other fines issued by condominium, brazilian law enforcement. And need to be paid in cash within 24 hrs. There is a total of about 15 things the contract has on it. I don't know about other renting agency. HAS ANY BODY HEARD OF THISNever heard of this, but the contract speaks about visitors, then even if I take a hooker, I can always say she is my girlfriend and we already planned to marry and even more. You bring a girl to your apartment not for a sexual purpose but to have her translate some stuff from your work and once the door is closed, even if she is moaning out loud, you can say it was the television. I do not see it as a problem this stupid contract, am I wrong?

Bubba Boy

03-27-11, 00:38

Had some free time on Friday night hence went for a strategic Terma run. I haven't been to Cancun nor 4x4 in a while, a while being maybe 6 weeks. In fact haven't been doing enough mongering of late, have been busy doing other things. Anyway.

Cancun, got there at about 5pm, place was just filling up. 80% of girls were already there. Not many guys at this stage. I was there to basically just see all the talent. That is I planned a stay of 2 hours to catch the full roster of women. I love the facilities at Cancun, nice and new, however I have never had much luck with the talent there. I tend to find the look is kind of big average looking girls. The look I find unattractive. Having said this I have banged a lot of girls that have worked at Cancun, just haven't seen many hot girls when they were actually there. I guess the girls that I like don't do well at Cancun and leave in a short time. Ended up very dissappoined, not even a maybe for me. Paid R$50 for entrance which included 2 beers.

At 7pm arrived at 4x4. I love 4x4, just love sitting there and watching the happenings. It was actually less busy than normal, you could actually walk around without the need to push and shove people out of the way. It was nice not being pushed and shoved around as well. A bit of space was nice. What wasn't nice was the talent. I always tend to find 1 or 3 hot girls at 4x4. Tend to see a lot of average girls and below as well of course. This time I saw Katia, very hot, very popular for about 5 minutes before she was dragged upstairs. Apart from her really didn't see much else worth jumping on. No real super hotties there. Ended up staying for 3 hours and had about 4 beers, bill was R$86. Beers were Heineken at R$ 9 a pop. Is it just me or can't you buy cans there anymore for R$5? I checked my change very carefully as I have had problems with the receptionists there before. She very quickly gave me R$10 then very slowly another R$4. I don't mind tipping for great service but the cows, I mean receptionists, there get R$0 from me because of there bad thieving past. On the way out the security guy of course asks for a tip, I just look back at him on the way past and give him the WTF look. Yes I am getting grumpier in my old age.

Jan 156

03-27-11, 02:38

Never heard of this, but the contract speaks about visitors, then even if I take a hooker, I can always say she is my girlfriend and we already planned to marry and even more. You bring a girl to your apartment not for a sexual purpose but to have her translate some stuff from your work and once the door is closed, even if she is moaning out loud, you can say it was the television. I do not see it as a problem this stupid contract, am I wrong?Yes, that's just common sense, isn't it. I can only speak about what I've experienced. I've rented flats from them on B. Ribeiro, on Princesa Isabel, on Prado, and probably other places. So has a friend of mine. Unlike the places down near what used to be Help, Rent-a-flat has fixed (well more or less) prices. I always get on well with the young guy running the place (his dad is less on the ball). And it's very convenient if you just want to roll into town, get off the bus or Metro, and have a look round for a flat. I've been a few times since I sorted out my own private arrangements just to check prices for other people. But who knows, maybe he turned in his sleep last month or whatever. Like I said, I can only report what I know myself.

Dutch44

03-27-11, 03:58

Dear fellow mongers,

It is my pleasure to send you a report from the city of Rio. Evening now, Saturday night. 25 degrees celsius (77F) , the city is humming and the smell of the sea (I'm close to the beach in Ipanema) fills the streets, mixed with the exhaust gases of the many yellow taxis and buses. In the last two days I've been to several tier 2 rated Termas in Centro, like Termas 502, T81, T21 and so on. See the Bubba Brazil Report for details. (BTW they close around 22h00 on Friday) to be honest, I would rate them tier 3. The stairs, rooms, hallway are simply so dirty that you wonder what kind of bacterial life forms they host. I'm quite sure some new, never discovered (and dangerous) species can be found there.

Anyway, I looked around and decided this was not my thing. So I headed to 4x4 on Rua Buenos aires 44 which was very close. I still think this is one of the very best Termas in Rio, possibly THE best. I got there around 22h00, Friday evening. It was not as busy as usual. Perhaps some 30 ladies and 30 guys only. Those numbers are usually at least double.

Anyway, I just hung around and looked at some of the ladies dancing. Man can they dance here, it seems all are born with samba genes. Those hips swing in a way I thought physically impossible. That night the majority were big bunda girls, which is not my thing. By big I mean huge asses actually. Obesity is on the rise world-wide, including Brasil. Too bad for me. I like them thin.

Anyway, my eyes spotted a dark skinned garota dancing with such skill and energy that I could not miss it. She was gorgeous, thin, beautiful hips, eyes, a body made in heaven. To me she looked somewhat like Halle Berry. Since it had gotten rather late (4x4 really slows down after 23h00) I decide to ask her what she was doing after the closing hours. To cut a long story short, for 300R she spent the night with me (Cab was 30R from centro to Ipa) Incredible experience. I do not know if it was me, but when we were finished making love and she was sleeping beside me, I could have sworn I spent the night with Halle Berry in the wildest "cat women" version. Jeez, where else but in Rio. Gems can still be found. It is getting harder, but still possible.

Today (Saturday) was Escort day. I first contacted scortshow. I choose Dafne. Well I can only say: GREAT! Looks=7 to 8, service = 8+ (on a scale from 1-10) Recommended. Quality really varies with these escort agencies. You can end up with a (bored) girl that rushes things, or you could end up with a total pleasurable GFE. Dafne has a beautiful slim body and is quite tall (1m70) I asked her who else she could recommend. She mentioned Maise. I do not know her, but she said Maisa has a nice personality. (blond. 22 years. 1m67) On the scortshow site Maisa looked great BTW.

At these lower cost escort agencies (scortshow, karlamodels and starcris) you have about a 50-50 percent chance to find a really nice girl. So it takes a little perseverance, but the reward can be there. The price is great too. Basically 120R for 2 hours in your hotel / apartment. Thats just 50 Euro. Add to that taxi costs which is another 30-50R. (12-20 Euro) Anyway there is plenty info on this forum regarding those agencies. Please do note that some hotels do charge extra if you take a girl to the room (typically 50-80R). Some non GFE friendly hotels refuse. Thats why I prefer an apartment.

So there it is. All have fun and stay safe (and wear your rubbers)

Dutch44

Dutch44

03-27-11, 04:14

At 7pm arrived at 4x4. I love 4x4, just love sitting there and watching the happenings. It was actually less busy than normal, you could actually walk around without the need to push and shove people out of the way. It was nice not being pushed and shoved around as well. A bit of space was nice. What wasn't nice was the talent.....I got in around 22h00, may have seen you without knowing it was you. 4x4 talent is less than 2009/2010 (from what I remember). One of the things I observe in Brasil is that obesity is hitting the GDP's hard. A large ass is one thing, but if everything becomes big and fat I run the other way. Pity, girls here used to look like photo-models, but that is getting less nowadays.

Dutch44

Mangera

03-27-11, 04:35

Ipanema Carioca

03-27-11, 05:33

This reminds me of the two garotas that work at the front desk of Solarium. Always asking for a tip on the way out. Give me a break! A tip for what? For taking my money and putting it in their cash register?

I can't stand it when they do that. I just give themthe WTF look as well. I even speak to them in Porto, so its not like they are translating anything for me, and doing me any favors. They must have nothing to lose by asking, cause I am sure some baffoon tourists have tipped them in the past. Believe me, I highly doubt any Brazilian would tip them. 4x4, Cancun and T502 have tip beggars. At 4x4 an older morena locker room attendant passed me a note for a tip. At Cancun the girls near the 3rd floor showers begged for tips, and at T502 the girls at the desk and the fat guy at the entrance begged for tips. Just give them what you want or nothing at all. The beg Americans for times because we brought that customs overseas with us. We in the US are taught to tip. As a waitress my more raised 5 kids with her tips, and she told me to tip. When I travel it's a insurance that I get favors when I want. If you tip the older glasses wearing brown skin woman in the locker room, she'll run in the rain to give you your dropped wallet like she did my buddy. Or give you your credit card that you leave at the cashier like she did me. Give them something, but I don't give beggars anything. But for brazilians they don't get tips from brazilians, so they are awkward and annoying with their begging.

Voyajer1

03-27-11, 16:48

I tip in Rio even though it may not be the norm or the local custom. It has been repaid to me many times over because of the as good will established and friendship between the requestor and me. For example, at the hotel, I left the safe open once with over BR2000, $500, credit cards, passport out in the open from early in the morning till I came home from my trip downtown. Nothing was missing.

At the termas. 4 X 4 more than once I've misplaced my keys, forgot to lock my locker, left the keys at the bar, left the keys at the sauna, left the keys at the room, and so on (Yes, I am very forgetful at times). The workers always seem to find me and return my misplaced stuff and not once have they tried to get over by trying to charge things on my account. Now, they will ask if they can have a soda, buy them a burger, whatever; for what they have saved me from I've always said no problem to them.

Just try and treat these people with some courtesy and respect and believe me, what comes back your way will be worth much more than a few reals or a drink or a snack. It might be priceless.

4x4, Cancun and T502 have tip beggars. At 4x4 an older morena locker room attendant passed me a note for a tip. At Cancun the girls near the 3rd floor showers begged for tips, and at T502 the girls at the desk and the fat guy at the entrance begged for tips. Just give them what you want or nothing at all. The beg Americans for times because we brought that customs overseas with us. We in the US are taught to tip. As a waitress my more raised 5 kids with her tips, and she told me to tip. When I travel it's a insurance that I get favors when I want. If you tip the older glasses wearing brown skin woman in the locker room, she'll run in the rain to give you your dropped wallet like she did my buddy. Or give you your credit card that you leave at the cashier like she did me. Give them something, but I don't give beggars anything. But for brazilians they don't get tips from brazilians, so they are awkward and annoying with their begging.

Ipanema Carioca

03-27-11, 17:34

Mangera

03-27-11, 20:40

My point was that tipping is fine, however, a tip is well earned when they actually do something to earn it. Those two ladies in the front desk at Solarium don't do a darn thing to deserve any kind of tip. I am sure they are wll compensated, they handle lots of money and transaction. I am sure they are well trusted by management (very top) , hence get good pay.

I have spoken to them 2 ladies in front desk) quite a bit, and they have done their fair share of travel out of the country, so its safe to say they are not dirt poor. That being said, if they actually did something out of the ordinary, I would tip them.

BTW, as for the older black lady who works at 4 x 4, I have been tipping her for years. Even during her days at Luomo's. She goes out of her way to make sure I am comfortable with robes and sandals, etc. I gladly tip her. It all comes down to whether they do some out of the norm or at least attempt to do something to earn it. Same thing applies to the working girls. Just my 2 cents.

Bubba Boy

03-27-11, 21:02

I agree tipping is fine when someone actually does something for it. The security guards at Termas and some Boates that stick their hands out for a tip are something else. Even the Brazilian guys complain on gpguianet about the guy at 4x4 and the fat security guard at 502. These guys ask for a tip very aggressively and are relentless. They deserve nothing but contempt!

Golfinho

03-27-11, 21:27

I agree tipping is fine when someone actually does something for it. the Brazilian guys complain on gpguianet about the guy at 4x4 and the fat security guard at 502. They deserve nothing but contempt!About 502, no one is worse than the woman who works (or worked) the till. When you were leaving she'd try to double-charge the 20 she got from you going in. Then, she either said she had no change, or if you paid in exact change, she'd ask for a tip. The worst.

Riofan6

03-27-11, 23:13

Exec Talent

03-27-11, 23:25

I think it is fair to say that other than a few bureaucrats, most members of this forum actually have worked for our money. We find it offensive when someone thinks they are entitled to compensation for just showing up and doing their jobs.

For those who have never ordered in food, it is interesting that many Brazilians do not tip the delivery person. I asked some of my well off friends about that and they gave me the "what the hell for" look. In the US, it would be so next time they don't spit in you food!

Exec Talent

03-27-11, 23:45

I was in Rio the first few days of this month and used my ATM / Debit card TWICE at the HSBC bank on N. S. Copacabana near Francisco Sa. I'm very careful to guard my PIN. I tried using the same card here at home yesterday and today at 2 different restaurants and was declined so I tried a nearby ATM and was also declined. I called my bank and they told me the card was shut down because the PIN was entered incorrectly 3 times on the 22nd and 23rd (Tue. And Wed.) of this week. They said the card holder was present and the card was mag swiped but the PIN was entered incorrectly. I was no where near Rio on the 22nd and 23rd. Card canceled. New card ordered. This is just a heads up, watch your accounts closely after using your ATM / debit cards in Rio.I had my AMEX cloned at a restaurant, Faenza, at 18b Siqueira Campos in Copa (near Siqueira Grill). The cashier area is dark and I remember the cashier taking my card and instead of swiping it in front of me like is done at most restaurants she turned around and swiped it behind her. Shortly thereafter I got a call from AMEX that my card was being used all over Rio.

They must have caught the girl because when I went back to talk with the manager he was training a new cashier. Other than the card cloning the pizza and overall food is not good. Not recommended.

This video shows just how easy it is to capture the card data.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6X-_nKqAwk

Edward M

03-28-11, 01:40

BTW, as for the older black lady who works at 4 x 4, I have been tipping her for years.It is your money but back when you could smoke in 4x4 she always annoyed me with her sour looks and blowing smoke all over the area. I never did understand but she seemed to get a LOT of tips. I am sure she made more than many of the GDPs there. This is a very bad policy. GDPs should make the most money in a termas for many reasons paramount of which is that girls should want to do programs, not work in the locker room.

Mr Enternational

03-28-11, 04:40

It is your money but back when you could smoke in 4x4 she always annoyed me with her sour looks and blowing smoke all over the area. I never did understand but she seemed to get a LOT of tips. I am sure she made more than many of the GDPs there. This is a very bad policy. GDPs should make the most money in a termas for many reasons paramount of which is that girls should want to do programs, not work in the locker room.I used to give her 10 reais myself. But that was back when it was only $2. 50 and not the $6 that it is today. At today's prices and exchange rate I would opt the Brazilian way. R$0.

Bravo

03-28-11, 05:35

Dutch44

03-28-11, 06:21

Bubba Boy

03-28-11, 07:47

I guess I am the only moger who got hit up for a tip by the girl who inputs your time upstairs when you choose a session. Twice, the black girl who scans your key when you select your session, has asked me for a tip! I gave her a small one because I didn't want her to rip me off on my time. I also got hit up for a tip by the girl who cleans the rooms, that was a first for me!When in Brazil don't be afraid to say no to anybody asking for a tip, it is doubtful they will stiff you on your time etc, if they try this you need to stand up for your rights. It is like any other place in the world, if you reward bad behavior guess what you will get. MORE BAD BEHAVIOR.

Agree that the receptionisht at 502 is a sour dodgy hag that will give bad attitude and then ask for a tip. Always check your change at every establishment, many cashiers pocket money from the till and scam their own place of work.

Sperto

03-28-11, 13:06

Grandnash84

03-28-11, 16:48

Lorenzo

03-28-11, 17:16

Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanksOf course you can go to Rio by yourself; in fact, I'm sure that most mongers do exactly that. I have been to Rio 13 times, and 12 of those were by myself. However, for the sake of safety, at night take a taxi wherever you go, even if it is a short distance, and I mean door to door. And never walk on the beach at night, or walk in isolated places on the beach even in the daytime.

Dwilso39

03-28-11, 17:52

Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanksYour not a true monoger unitl you've been somewhere by yourself.

If this is your first time in Rio, then I would say stick to th Copacabana area, there are PLENTLY of other foreigners there also by themselves if you need to exchange note with someone.

Also, if you find a girl you really like, stick with her for a couple of days as a good way to have company and still enjoy yourself.

Sperto

03-28-11, 19:06

Did you see rafaela in the line up there? She is new and judging by her photos looks like my type.Bubba, I passed by Tigresas Tijucanas today. It was quite busy already at 10 AM.

Rafaela was in the line-up. Wooow! I picked her right away. R$50/30 min.

http://tigresastijucanas.com/ensaios/rafaela/index.html

In reality Rafaela looks even better than in the photos on their site. She's extremely cute and have a gorgeous body with great tits. Gives an excellent service. I left Tigresas with a big smile.

What I heard she's new at Tijucanas (started 2 weeks ago) and one of the most popular girls. You just have to try her.

Bubba Boy

03-28-11, 19:13

Bubba, I passed by Tigresas Tijucanas today. It was quite busy already at 10 AM.

Rafaela was in the line-up. Wooow! I picked her right away.

http://tigresastijucanas.com/ensaios/rafaela/index.html

In reality Rafaela looks even better than in the photos on their site. She's extremely cute and have a gorgeous body with great tits. Gives an excellent service. I left Tigresas with a big smile.

What I heard she's new at Tijucanas (started 2 weeks ago) and one of the most popular girls. You just have to try her. I saw her last week, R$80 very well spent for the hour! In fact she is way better than anything I saw at Cancun or 4x4 on Friday night and at 1/3 the price, just can't beat that!

Dutch44

03-28-11, 22:43

Balcony have never been my choice of mongering, but I've been there twice the last weeks.

There have been a lot of people in Balcony on my two visits. The gringos (a mixed bunch of old, young and fat guys) seemed to be more interested in getting drunk than picking up girls.

There were plenty of girls. The oldest and most ugliest ones were hiding inside, where it's dark. The overall quality was very bad. Maximum of 20% were doable. It's amazing that some of these GPs manages to get customers.

I checked the price with some of the cute girls. Most of them wanted R$ 150. With a little effort all of them went down to between R$ 80-100. They were complaining a lot about how bad the business have become. I didn't bother to bring any GP back home. I get much better quality in centro. Hi Sperto,

Yesterday there were quite a few cuties I thought, not bad at all. Regarding the price, do you mean 80-100 R$ for 1 hour? It can't be TLN for so little. I usually pay 200R for TLN, but that depends on the time of night ofc.

Dutch44.

PS: somehow GDPs always complain about how bad the business is. I guess if their business is worse, ours usually gets better. (in terms of pricing)

EmilioTheGreat

03-28-11, 23:43

Whiskey Lova

03-29-11, 00:09

Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanksI had the same thing happen to me on my virgin trip to Rio last year in which two of my friends cancelled last minute, they gave me a bullshit excuse about concerns with crime risk but reality it was probably because they were little light on the funds. I have already booked a return trip for the last two weeks of June if you are going to be around that time send me a pm if not just put out a travel announcement

Eros74

03-29-11, 00:16

....Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves?....I went for the first time to Rio in January 2009 all alone, went back home in March, I went to south brazil and to Argentina and back to Rio again.

It happens nothing to me, but a lot of fun and many girls LOL.

Just do not be naive and dress with quite cheap clothes and shoes, no Rolex at all. And do not walk all alone in the middle of the night.

Do not worry and just go, cause I am sure you will have a lot of fun.

P. S. There are tons of mongers in Rio, some are really great guys, so you will probably will be alone only travelling there. Go and make your friends envy

Member #4333

03-29-11, 01:36

Grandnash,

Just arrived in Rio this morning myself and am game to head out right now. Staying at jw Marriott in middle of copacabana. Totally new to Rio, but a competent wingman. Shoot back if you get this. Heading to sp tomorrow.

Ruff

Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanks

Sperto

03-29-11, 13:12

Hi Sperto,

Yesterday there were quite a few cuties I thought, not bad at all. Regarding the price, do you mean 80-100 R$ for 1 hour? It can't be TLN for so little. I usually pay 200R for TLN, but that depends on the time of night ofc.

Dutch44. Some girls offered TLN and others a few hours.

Those of my friends who picks Balcony girls for TLN on a regularly basis pays R$100 for TLN. The girls seems satisfied as they often calls them afterwards to get more business.

Amerioca

03-30-11, 00:20

Balcony have never been my choice of mongering, but I've been there twice the last weeks.

There have been a lot of people in Balcony on my two visits. The gringos (a mixed bunch of old, young and fat guys) seemed to be more interested in getting drunk than picking up girls.

There were plenty of girls. The oldest and most ugliest ones were hiding inside, where it's dark. The overall quality was very bad. Maximum of 20% were doable. It's amazing that some of these GPs manages to get customers.

I checked the price with some of the cute girls. Most of them wanted R$ 150. With a little effort all of them went down to between R$ 80-100. They were complaining a lot about how bad the business have become. I didn't bother to bring any GP back home. I get much better quality in centro. Thanks for the update. I should be there in 48 hours. Looking forward to it.

Is the action in front of Othon still good? Last report read, it seemed so. However, it was probably the leftovers from Carnival. Hope they are around.

Eric Cartman

03-30-11, 02:53

Sunday evening (March 27) :

It wasn't bad. A nice selection selection of Garotas and visitors. All in all some 200 people I guess. Last year when I visited Balcony the selection wasn't very good. Tonight the selection was fine. I think Balcony is getting better.

I saw several fine looking ladies and went with a tall (magra) dark skinned GDP. Her name was Rachel. She is very pretty and tall, an 8 to 9 in my eyes. (scale 1-10) The service was only 6+, but at least she enjoyed 20 minutes of DATY was very nice. For the rest it was rather standard, but not too bad. She was a little nervous and wanted money upfront. I reluctantly agreed. She was too pretty to refuse and I did not want to send her back. We agreed on 200R for 2 hours. She stayed 1. 5h. All in all, nice for once, but no repeat.

1 photo attached. (no face shown)

Enjoy,

Dutch44I'm glad you had an OK time at Balcony. I admit that there can be a few winners in the mix, and people here seem to have luck there. But in my experience. Maybe been there 6 times since October. It's a pretty heinous place. And it's almost impossible to find "bargains" (R$200 and lower) unless you wait very late at night (or early AM, depending on your point of view. I mean like 3am+). Last time I was there in Feb, I stayed til 4AM and finally got a reasonable-looking black filly to come back for R$200 (she asked for R$400 to start and I laughed). It ended up being pretty bad as she asked for money up-front midway through the act, and I basically kicked her out (to her shock, but I paid her so she had no complaints).

It just seems like fishing in the Prives etc. If you have time is a better option, IMHO.

Pyjama

03-30-11, 07:36

Exec Talent

03-30-11, 11:22

Found this one:

http://xhamster.com/movies/488301/brazilian_couple_sex_tape.html

What do you think? Is this all private or does anyone recognize this place? Of course, I don't even know if it's in Rio, but after all it's clearly Brazilian.

PyjamaHope by the end Lassie got Timmy out of the well because after about 30 seconds I fell asleep. Only for those who don't think there is such a thing as bad porn.

Sperto

03-30-11, 12:54

Is the action in front of Othon still good? Last report read, it seemed so. However, it was probably the leftovers from Carnival. Hope they are around.Eleven days ago there were at least 25 GP's on the beach in front of Othon Palace. This large number was just temporary. There were lots of americans who propably made part of the Obama crew. The GP's saw their chance of getting some business.

After Obama left there have been very few GP's on ho-beach. You're lucky if you find a dozen GP's on ho-beach.

Pyjama

03-30-11, 16:44

Only for those who don't think there is such a thing as bad porn.I said nothing about the quality of this, I was just thinking of the place. If it was a brothel, and the girls were the GDPs it was a waste of time and money to go.

And I do know what Brazilian porn sex can be, private or P4P. So you are right, this was nothing special.

Pyj

Grandnash84

03-30-11, 17:23

Grandnash,

Just arrived in Rio this morning myself and am game to head out right now. Staying at jw Marriott in middle of copacabana. Totally new to Rio, but a competent wingman. Shoot back if you get this. Heading to sp tomorrow.

RuffKeep me posted on how It goes and the places you hit. I plan on traveling late may early June at the latest

Gfe Finder

03-31-11, 01:59

Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanksSure, I've always gone by myself and managed to find friends either with a girl I hook up with (:D) or among my fellow mongers. Termas (as opposed to prives, clubs, or boates) seem to be a particularly good place for this as you get chances to socialize in a relatively quiet atmosphere rather than just walk in, transact business, and then leave.

Do be sure that you take a taxi at night both to and from wherever you want to go!

HungryStud101

03-31-11, 02:08

Got a question for you pro's. My friend flaked on me for our trip to Rio but I'm thinking about going myself. Would any of you recommend a person going to Rio by themselves? I plan to stay in the tourists places and I'm really going to Rio just to monger at places like 4x4 etc. I also am going to try some t2 places in bubba's guide. Is it safe for me to go alone or should I wait until I can go with somebody? I don't speak port but I can speak very little spanish, enough to pick up a terma girl and take her home LOL. Any input would help, thanksI am not a pro but I did spend last night in a Holiday Inn Express. I have been to Rio twice and both times I went out alone. I recommend it. I have went to FKK's, Hong Kong, Sao Paulo and Montreal alone and I genarally always hobby alone. This way there is no one to judge my Hobby. The problem with Rio is the crime. My advice is to do your scouting before it gets dark. That is find Termas that you plan to attend, scope out the balconi and where you plan to take the girl if anb when you score. This way you are not fumbling around lost looking for the entrance to the Termas or privy and you are less of a target.

I'll bet it is easier to get an escort to come back to your room if you are alone?

James Bond 007

03-31-11, 05:54

After reading through the threads here and Bubba's excellent guide, I finally made it to Rio. I found the ATMs on the 3rd floor of the airport where there are 3-5 banks present. I made sure to use an ATM that had the Visa / MC logos. As mentioned by others here, Banco Brazil was reliable. I used a prepaid taxi from one of the booths at the airport exit which cost R$90 which seemed fixed and they accept credit cards. Th cab fare was probably more than a yellow cab, but was worth knowing that traffic and driver dishonesty wouldn't be an issue. It seems like we drove through some slum areas as the drive to Copa took about 45-60 minutes. After arriving at the hotel, I decided to get a local SIM card. There were a few stores a block or two in from Atlantico Ave. Claro wouldn't give me a prepaid SIM telling me I needed a CPF number and told me to go to the Central Police Station in Centro to apply for one. I decided to stop by TIM and they sold me a SIM card with my passport. There was a Oi SIM card store nearby, but I didn't stop there. The per minute rate for prepaid SIM calling is not cheap even for local calls, about R$1 a minute with free incoming calls. Both Claro and TIM stores had English speaking sales clerks which was helpful.

I was debating if I should try a Centro Terma or a Zona Sul Terma. Since it was getting close to sunset, I deceided to stay local. Just to try out my local SIM card, I tried calling a couple of escort agencies. Scortshow was the first one I tried. Unfortunately without a good command of Portugese, you really can't do much on the phone. I got the impression the girl I asked for wasn't working that day or was not available. Just as difficult communicating with the other agency. I would not recommend this for those with limited Portugese unless you can get a local native Portugese speaker to translate for you. Also it is a good idea to see if your hotel/apt is girl-friendly and/or if the girl needs to register first.

So after dinner, I took a nice walk over to Monte Carlo. I felt fairly safe walking along Ave Atlantico in the evening. However I don't know about walking around rest of Copa and would probably take a cab to Luomo or the other T1 Zona Sul Termas. After you enter MC, there is a reception desk where the clerk gives you a bracelet with your locker number and shows you a printed menu with the prices. The latest prices are 70+70+180. It seems like they upped the girl fee by R$10. The next room leads to the men's locker room where you change into a bathrobe and slippers. You can walk up a floor or take the elevator to the 2nd floor which is the men's shower + toilet. THe 3rd floor is where the bar is with all the girls. It is a small bar and I would say about 30 girls were present. The male:female ratio was about 1:3. The bar has a menu with all the drink prices, starting from R$4 for agua to R$12 for caipirinha to over R$100 for bottles of champagne. There was no pressure to buy a drink. Some girls will walk up to you and talk. Some speak pretty good English and others none at all. After being approached by 4-5 girls, I spotted a girl of my choosing and went over to talk to her. Unfortunately she spoke no English and so I tried to remember as much Portugese as I could and tried to communicate with her. We sat down on the seats for a little while and she let me caress her bunda and her legs and exchanged some light kisses. Since I knew conversation wasn't going anywhere, I asked her to go to the cabinee. We walked up to the 4th floor to get a room key. She took my locket bracelet and I waited for about 10 minutes. Another local monger was waiting too and he seemed like a regular saying Hi to many of the girls. Finally she returned after changing into lingerie and we headed for a room on the 5th floor. The room was very small with just a twin bed there. The performance was decent. She was not much into BBBJ, but when asked she performed it without any hesitancy. After multiple positions, I asked for greek and she obliged. I got the sense that she doesn't enjoy it but does it because customers request it or because a lot of other girls do it. After I was done, we stayed in the room and cuddled for a while. I didn't have enough energy for round 2 during a 40 minute session, so I just tried to relax. She told me she had worked at other termas mainly in Centro and most of her clients were locals and so she really hadn't learned English. I don't know if MC is mainly visited by locals or if there are more gringos as I didn't interact with the other men. As we were leaving the room, I asked her if she was working tomorrow and she said yes with a smile. I take it that she understood it to mean that I enjoyed being with her.

Hope to try some of the other termas in Zona Sul and possibly 4x4 during the daytime. Will have to squeeze in some sightseeing as well.

Frenchieboy

03-31-11, 20:54

Some girls offered TLN and others a few hours.

Those of my friends who picks Balcony girls for TLN on a regularly basis pays R$100 for TLN. The girls seems satisfied as they often calls them afterwards to get more business. I have picked up of girl from the Balcony last week for 300 BRL but she was very very beautiful

HungryStud101

04-01-11, 02:49

So after dinner, I took a nice walk over to Monte Carlo. I felt fairly safe walking along Ave Atlantico in the evening. However I don't know about walking around rest of Copa and would probably take a cab to Luomo or the other T1 Zona Sul Termas. After you enter MC, there is a reception desk where the clerk gives you a bracelet with your locker number and shows you a printed menu with the prices. The latest prices are 70+70+180. It seems like they upped the girl fee by R$10. The next room leads to the men's locker room where you change into a bathrobe and slippers. You can walk up a floor or take the elevator to the 2nd floor which is the men's shower + toilet. THe 3rd floor is where the bar is with all the girls. It is a small bar and I would say about 30 girls were present. The male:female ratio was about 1:3. The bar has a menu with all the drink prices, starting from R$4 for agua to R$12 for caipirinha to over R$100 for bottles of champagne. There was no pressure to buy a drink. Some girls will walk up to you and talk. Some speak pretty good English and others none at all. After being approached by 4-5 girls, I spotted a girl of my choosing and went over to talk to her. Unfortunately she spoke no English and so I tried to remember as much Portugese as I could and tried to communicate with her. We sat down on the seats for a little while and she let me caress her bunda and her legs and exchanged some light kisses. Since I knew conversation wasn't going anywhere, I asked her to go to the cabinee. We walked up to the 4th floor to get a room key. She took my locket bracelet and I waited for about 10 minutes. Another local monger was waiting too and he seemed like a regular saying Hi to many of the girls. Finally she returned after changing into lingerie and we headed for a room on the 5th floor. The room was very small with just a twin bed there. The performance was decent. She was not much into BBBJ, but when asked she performed it without any hesitancy. After multiple positions, I asked for greek and she obliged. I got the sense that she doesn't enjoy it but does it because customers request it or because a lot of other girls do it. After I was done, we stayed in the room and cuddled for a while. I didn't have enough energy for round 2 during a 40 minute session, so I just tried to relax. She told me she had worked at other termas mainly in Centro and most of her clients were locals and so she really hadn't learned English. I don't know if MC is mainly visited by locals or if there are more gringos as I didn't interact with the other men. As we were leaving the room, I asked her if she was working tomorrow and she said yes with a smile. I take it that she understood it to mean that I enjoyed being with her.

Thanks for the nice report. Looks like MC raised the per girl rate 30 R.

Bubba Boy

04-01-11, 04:20

I have picked up of girl from the Balcony last week for 300 BRL but she was very very beautifulWhat was her performance like? Did she stay all night and give you a quickie in the morning?

Firecap

04-01-11, 06:04

Having been to Rio on 3 occasions in 3 years I need to make my FIRST post after reading here for a month.

I love the termas, (Luomo, Monte Carlo. 4X4) But they have become expensive IMHO. 320 USD for 45-60 min with a girl and 2 beers in the bar. Since each time I go I rent an apartment in Copa I have started going to the beach in the afternoon where most of the girls hang out when the sun is shining. Across from the old HELP night club and the still standing Mia Pataca restaurant. There Robert or CiCi (The beach rental / beer guys) will introduce you to any girl you desire or you can introduce yourself to any girl that you see, and I have never paid more then 250 Reais for the night. They are fun, friendly and seem to enjoy sex. You can always asked for 1, 2 or 3 holes in english and they will understand. Most of them have a limited amount of english in their vocabulary. Small gifts and candy from the states are the rage, and will get you big points and usually a discounted invite for the next night! Pulling WG's off the beach is the way to go. I will be going back again in June as the LBFM are my favorite. Just my 2 cents. Please PM me if you would like Apt contact with Airport pickup, cell phone and guide.

Frenchieboy

04-01-11, 20:30

What was her performance like? Did she stay all night and give you a quickie in the morning?No quickie in the morning because she left me at 6 am! But before sleeping I have fucked her 3 times she was very very hot! Fuck in the bed fuck in the bahtroom.

I was in Rio last week and 4 nights in the Balcony, what many of you said about Balcony it's true that's really a zoo every night about 70 garotas but for me only 5 correct

I have met 6 girls, all of them asked me 200 Brl, for me that was ok.

I think the best time to go to Balcony it's about 9 pm after no place

I recommand you strongly this place

Sperto

04-02-11, 02:17

Eric Cartman

04-02-11, 04:38

So most of you who follow my occasional posts know that the Cartman is not necessarily a meanspirited bastard all of the time. But what the frak is up with Monte Carlo this week? (And to be honest it was a 12 day hiatus for me before returning on Wed). It's like they shit-canned half the girls, but kept the fat ugly ones and then decided to get more of them. I've seen 2. Literally. FAT, short, ugly chicks and a ton of bigger fattie mc fatties. Trust me guys, when Terma girls are squeezed into corsets, it's not a good sign of things to come.

Sure there may be 1-2 doable chicks left, but it's slim pickins. Reports from all around (Bubba, etc.) have been not good on most places, though I hear 502 picked up a new reasonable crop.

Hm, perhaps I will test L'Uomo tomorrow.

As an aide, this is becoming a very expensive hobby. The USD hit R$1. 59 today at one point in trading. I think it settle back at R$1. 62. That means my hour visit with an OK but not awesome chick at MC was US$280 (including my caipirinha). The only thing saving this is the free-entrance with registration (when you spend enough) , which probably averages things back down to US$250.

Wish I had more time to hit prives. The privates are where it's at.

Bravo

04-02-11, 16:41

Sorry for the interrution on the breaking news on Balcony etc.

If you're ready to burn some calories: climb Pedra the Gávea.

Take a bus out to Pasarela in Barra and head up the mountain. 1 1/2 h later you'll be up on he top of Pedra the Gávea.

The views are just fantastic!

Note: The trail is scaled 5, on a note of 1-5 on dificulidade. If you suffer from afraid of heights forget about of it.

http://www.travel-earth.com/brazil/pedra-da-gavea-relax-view.jpg

P. S Forget about a guide. You'll only need a pair of strong legs and 2 litres of water. I was JUST reading an article on the Pedra yesterday at work. It looks amazing however the website said its best to go with a guide because people die every year trying to climb up the pedra without ropes and equipment. I wouldn't have a problem going up, but coming down would scare me to death!

Sperto

04-02-11, 17:59

I was JUST reading an article on the Pedra yesterday at work. It looks amazing however the website said its best to go with a guide because people die every year trying to climb up the pedra without ropes and equipment. I wouldn't have a problem going up, but coming down would scare me to death!It's just about impossible to get lost on the way up. The trail is very well marked. At the beginning of the trail there are guards that will note the names and mobile number of everybody going up. That way they will know if anybody is missing.

The only dangerous part of the trail is the carrasqueira where you will have to do a little bit of crack climbing. If you take it calm you'll have no problem at all (there are some iron in the rock on the top of the carrasqueira where you can fix a rope, but I didn't see anybody using them). My GF climbed the carrasqueira fast like a mountain goat. When going down the carrasqueira you better don't look down if you are afraid of heights.

Besides maybe helping you to climb the carrasqueira there is really no use at all for a guide. I guess the people who dies climbing the Pedra the Gávea are using a more difficult route, or being clumsy falling down a cliff.

Good shoes, water, mobile phone and a camera, that's what you'll need.

Carrasqueira:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw2y9Ewdlwk&feature=related

HungryStud101

04-02-11, 19:49

So most of you who follow my occasional posts know that the Cartman is not necessarily a meanspirited bastard all of the time. But what the frak is up with Monte Carlo this week? (And to be honest it was a 12 day hiatus for me before returning on Wed). It's like they shit-canned half the girls, but kept the fat ugly ones and then decided to get more of them. I've seen 2. Literally. FAT, short, ugly chicks and a ton of bigger fattie mc fatties. Trust me guys, when Terma girls are squeezed into corsets, it's not a good sign of things to come.

Sure there may be 1-2 doable chicks left, but it's slim pickins. Reports from all around (Bubba, etc.) have been not good on most places, though I hear 502 picked up a new reasonable crop.

Hm, perhaps I will test L'Uomo tomorrow. Eric.

I became friendly with a girl I met at MC late February. We have became pen pals. She left for Italy mid March. I know that at least one other poster said his favorite from MC was leaving for Italy in March (I PM'd him and it was not the same girl.) Is there some mass exodus that happens in March for Europe? If so this is too bad as the place was hoppin when I visited late Feb *the night after you were there). If this is so where should we go? Maybe your better off sitting outside the balconi waiting for a keeper?

Rio Bob

04-02-11, 22:06

Eric.

I became friendly with a girl I met at MC late February. We have became pen pals. She left for Italy mid March. I know that at least one other poster said his favorite from MC was leaving for Italy in March (I PM'd him and it was not the same girl.) Is there some mass exodus that happens in March for Europe? If so this is too bad as the place was hoppin when I visited late Feb *the night after you were there). If this is so where should we go? Maybe your better off sitting outside the balconi waiting for a keeper? Yes many girls but not all thank God will go to Europe after the summer season is over in Rio. Usually they start to filter out right after Caranval. A week or 2 after Carnaval and you can see them leaving.

Then about the middle of November or so they start coming back some before and some after. They come in from Europe and all over Brazil and by 2 or 3 weeks before Carnaval Rio is packed with working GDP's looking for your money.

This is why IMHO the best time to take a vacation in Rio is about 2 weeks before Carnaval when it's packed with GDP's and not all the Carnaval tourists have arrived yet.

Bubba Boy

04-03-11, 01:00

Exec Talent

04-03-11, 01:07

In summer there are definitely more GDP's in Rio but there are also more mongers. Everyone prefers different things. For me I like the winters in Rio because there is less competition for the hottest girls. The clubs go very quiet, even the cutest girls struggle to be busy for more than half the time. I have been in Luomo when there have only been 1 other guy in the place for hours. From December to Carnaval they are busy pretty much all of the time. I find winter a much easier place to do business. The power shifts back to the monger. I like this much better, the girls appreciate me more (or at least my wallet). I can work winters much better.I apologize for this comment in advance (well, not really). One of the reasons I spend time in Brazil is to get away from Americans. I enjoy being there when they aren't. I also find that I enjoy Rio more in areas of the city where they do not frequent often. A lot of the after Carnaval exodus is not GDPs going to Europe, it is GDPs going home to other parts of Brazil.

Member #3439

04-03-11, 07:24

In summer there are definitely more GDP's in Rio but there are also more mongers. Everyone prefers different things.

I find winter a much easier place to do business. The power shifts back to the monger. I like this much better, the girls appreciate me more (or at least my wallet). I can work winters much better. I agree with this, as it relates to Zona Sul, but wouldn't you say Centro and VM supply and demand are fairly constant?

I was in Rio last week and 4 nights in the Balcony, what many of you said about Balcony it's true that's really a zoo every night about 70 garotas but for me only 5 correct

I recommand you strongly this place

I recommend it too, although other people talk a lot of shit about Balcony, skanks, dogs, etc. Maybe my standards are low from too much time in budget places in Centro, but I feel that there are some nice girls at Balcony if you work the crowd. My idea of a good night is riding the metro to Centro, hitting T502, coming back to Copa before the metro closes and grabbing TLN from Balcony. When mongering Brasil, I'm 90% a fast foda guy that likes casas and low tier termas with some degree of standardized services. But last time I branched out with the other 10% and hit Balcony a couple times and found the uncertainty enjoyable in a masochistic kind of way, I guess. Next time, I'm lodging in Copa so I can work Balcony more. Never know what you might get, its fun to take a girl from there just for the adventure once you've already busted once or twice earlier in the day. In the casas and termas, I never risk getting a starfish, but on the other hand I rarely get an outstanding totally-uninhibited natural lay. Just 2 out of about 50 Brasileiras that I've done in casas/termas/etc. really provided mind-blowing uninhibited sex. Others were anywhere from boring to over-the-top nasty gonzo porn actress-style. I feel the chances for something really memorable are better at Balcony.

Bubba Boy

04-03-11, 08:51

I wouldn't agree that it is just Zona Sul that goes quiet in Winter. I remember the hottest girls at 502 were literally standing around doing nothing up until late November. They were really busy through Carnaval but now again they are struggling for business. People have less money after Christmas and Carnaval and of course there are way less tourists now.

Centro also is very reliant on the weeks in the month. For example, by law, Brazilians get paid in the first week of the month. Hence Centro gets busy in the first week, particularly Thursday and Friday. As the weeks go by and we get closer to the end of the month it gets very quiet as everyone has spent their cash.

I will avoid centro this week just for that reason.

Voyager1

04-04-11, 01:51

Rio Day 1 and 2.

I had been on a business trip to Sao Paulo for a brutally long week with me getting up at 6:00 am every morning. I attempted to use what little I had left over in the energy to locate a babe or two in Sao Paulo at the end of the long days. But alas all that search was to be in vain. Almost everything over there is far and very spread out. As one can imagine I was pretty wound up with all that window shopping and such. God I needed a brazilara! So me, my money and a TAM ticket later I arrive in Rio on Saturday. I had done my homework preceeding to coming here and had found a place about 5 min from LUMO and 10 minutes from Monte Carlo. I had landed in RIO at terminal 2 and started my search for the generio ATM. All of the ATM at this terminal were useless. Had I read Mr. Bubba's report I would have automatically been led to floor 3 Terminal 1 where the Banco ATM waited for me. Lesson learned I won't make that mistake again. In my opinion the ATM in Terminal 2 are an idiot box for the naive foreigner as they pretend to perform the transaction and right at the end tell you that it is not possible. What a TEASE!

I took the REAL bus for $8. 00 from GIG to JW Mariott and then walked over to my apartment. A trek of about 15 min with 50 lb luggage and with inquiring eyes sizing me up. Interesting experience indeed! Fortunately the road was a busy one and there was still daylight. I took pleasure in the satisfaction of robing the Taxi man instead of the other way. I arrived at about 6:30 PM, right after dusk.

As I was pretty beat I decided to call it a night and do my hunting on the next day. Well it turns out to be a Sunday and there was absolutely very little open. The weather outside sucked with rain coming off and on. Whats up with that? With the exception of LUMO nothing else was open. I took the Metro to scout out 4x4 in centro while waiting for LUMO to open. Even in the afternoon, this area was creating tension as it looked like one of those science fiction movie stage sets where the whole city has been abandoned. I can only imagine what happens at night! It was now 4:30 pm and Mecca, I mean LUMO, had finally opened. After taking a nap I ventured into the place. Having been to the World etc in the Fatherland I found this to be, well, a little on the smaller scale. But man did it make up on the Babe scale. Nines and 8's were all over the place. I don't think I saw a single 7 or less. Candy, Candy, Candy. Whoooo. This was my first thought. I tried to use the hang around for a while and then make a decision strategy, but this startegy really goes no where when the main room is no bigger then my apartment and there is nowhere to chill. What little sitting place there is has other guest on it already. Hot music and even hotter babes with you in middle is the order of the day here. After about 20 min of watching the young brazilaras dance I got approached by Franchesca. Wearing a turqoise outfit and then telling me what she had underneath was all real caught my attention in a hurry. I only have so much resistance and this is futile in a place like this. She asked me to buy her a drink to which I said okay. According to Mr. Bubba this should have been a red flag right at the onset. But this hot 8. 5 was all over me with promises to CIM and CIA etc. Such langauge! Phew! Resistance was futile. Another red flag I missed was that she would not kiss on the lips. Healthy as it may be, Mr. Bubba has it right, it does mean less passion as BBBJ would probably off the table. But I reasoned there were promises that were being made in earnest. I was wrong as the Cabinee produced a bit of mechanical CBJ leading to a HJTC when junior did not get what was expected. Thinking back, I believe I would have been in a different plane had this girl done what was promised. But how do you demand what was not granted? Man was this girl naturally hot! I told her I was staying nearby and she asked me if I would comeback. To which I replied, I really do not know. My disappointment must have been obivious as she told me not to hang low as I was quite handsome. Coming from her after the fact I think she must have meant it. That meant something to me. Perhaps a positive shot to the ego. Oh well onward to Monte Carlo on Monday.