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Pipe Layer99
04-06-09, 22:55
Everyone is entitled to their our opinions. I think the guy hasn't had as much fun or hasn't found the quality of girls he has found in the past. So for him maybe it is going to shit. Maybe he just went during low season - who knows. Its still his opinion. As of lately, I agree with his post about the girls. Not to mention some of their attitudes and asking prices. Like I said before, keep moving and looking in other places. Its a hunt, so keep your spear sharp for the next trip. Mine is ready.
I can't believe all this whining!!! How is it going to shit? Because a hand full of people can't get what they want. As a respectable monger, if you've been going to Brazil, and you don't have any skills outside of Help/Balcony/Mabs, then I wouldn't call you a monger at all.
I think the Copa game is only as bad as a person's knowledge or skills. So maybe it's not the Copa scene, it's your lack of skills. And you are not being flamed.
ryjer
I can't believe all this whining!!! How is it going to shit? Because a hand full of people can't get what they want. As a respectable monger, if you've been going to Brazil, and you don't have any skills outside of Help/Balcony/Mabs, then I wouldn't call you a monger at all.
I think the Copa game is only as bad as a person's knowledge or skills. So maybe it's not the Copa scene, it's your lack of skills. And you are not being flamed.
ryjer
Gotta 2nd this post....its more about the monger, not the GDP's....
Wow, everyone is so sad about help closing. For What?? Overpay for some of the same girls u get at the Centro spots or VM or termas or the favela crazies. We are to blame for the price. We let the GDP union local of Copa set a high rate. Once this place closes some of the same girls will be available to you for 150R all night will do as the old saying says Kitchen and bedroom. So everyone please stay in Copa do not go to VM or Centro or other areas because it is very dangerous. How dangerous you ask, you will become addicted to good pussy for far less drama than some of the Help queens.
They see gringo, euro men as money/ suckers.. We are in Brazil sometime we must act Brazilian. (not overpaying)
Have fun and broaden your horizons.. For those who are afraid to do a girl at VM just take her out of there for an hour or you can wait until she goes to help and asks for 300R your choice...
just my 2 cents..
After reading all these posts about the closing of Help, I'm fully convinced none of you get it. For those who are happy about Help closing and say it's a good thing here's my take. Help is not only about the GDP experience. Help is walking into the biggest or second biggest nightclub in South America and drinking champagne, living the rock star lifestyle at a fraction of the cost. Then looking around at 500 women, some good, some bad, and some incredible and saying I can take any one of these home. When I go to Rio, I really don't worry that much about what I'm spending. Bottom line, I'm here to have a great time and bang what I consider the most beautiful woman in the world. This last trip I only did Help 4 times in 10 days. Maybe i'm getting older and can't do the all nighters anymore but I still have fun. One of my favorite parts of this trip, were the friends I made from all over the world outside at Terraco Atlantico. With my wingman only there for half the trip, I was on my own and I met so many great guys there. In 2006 I met a GDP there that now lives in Switzerland but still to this day remains my all time favorite. I still hold out hope that this is another false alarm, but with the World Cup and the olympic bid, I think it's for real. I for one will miss it...
Any predictions on what place will take over for help. Are there any clubs now that are big enough to become the next help. I find it hard to believe that all that money will be left on the table. Someone will fill the void. If I owned a big club that wasnt a hooker place, I would definitely get the word out that it is now.
Spinnerman
04-07-09, 11:00
It's not the City Government, (Prefeitura,) doing this, but the State Government of Rio de Janeiro. The money has been allocated, per Oglobo reports.
Is it the State this time ? I hadn't noticed. It was the Prefeitura last time. More talk that it's closing , I have " friends in low places" that are well connected and should know .......one says it's closing , one says it's not. LOL So it's 50/50
Okay Lancer, if Help is the second biggest, where is the biggest. I REALLY need to go see this for myself!! I would agree with your assesment that one of the big draws of Help is the entire experience. I think just watching the scenery and realizing that for the most part I can take anyone of those to my bed is intoxicating.
I enjoy the "dance" as much as anything, and my experience is that it is a pretty good indication of what to expect when we are "dancing alone".
I should be in town on Sunday for a couple of days!
Mistro, start the music!
Spinnerman
04-07-09, 16:09
This is from the Gringo Times.......... If doing a cut'n' paste like this is not allowed please delete it
http://thegringotimes.com/news/rio-business/help-discotech-set-to-close/
Help Discotech to Close
By Doug Gray, Contributing Reporter
RIO DE JANEIRO - It has been high on Governor Sergio Cabral’s hit list for several years, but it now looks as if the closing of Copacabana’s most notorious nightclub ‘Help’ is finally confirmed. A recent decision by Judge Camila Novaes Lopes ruled in favor of its compulsory purchase by the State of Rio De Janeiro in winter 2009.
Opened in 1985 by the businessman Chico Recarey, Help’s lavish interior and upper class patronage gained it a reputation among the Carioca playboys as a place to see and be seen. But as Copacabana’s star faded at the end of the 80’s, and the rich and famous moved towards Ipanema and Leblon, so too did Help’s.
Now, what was once the largest nightclub in South America, is possibly the continent’s largest brothel. This is why Governor Cabral is financing it’s compulsory purchase to spearhead a tidying-up campaign of the hard-bitten Copacabana neighborhood, which remains one of the city’s biggest tourist attractions.
The plan was first proposed last year, with the idea that the site would be transformed somewhat dramatically into a cultural center as the new Museum of Sound and Vision, but delays and counter-arguments have held the project back. Some of these include the very reasonable consideration that the prostitutes will simply move on to other possibly less safe locations to look for business.
As one girl who wanted to remain nameless put it, “This will do nothing for Copacabana and nothing to stop prostitution. We feel safer at Help than on the streets, but it looks like that is where we will have to go.”
The Governor remains unmoved by such opinions however, and though prostitution remains legal in Brazil, the idea that it is carried out so brazenly and on such a scale in this tourist hot spot appears too great a threat to order in Zona Sul. The 60 day compulsory purchase order has been placed on it, along with a deposit of R$13m, and as such the doors will likely be closing at the end of May.
Nobody was available at club Help to comment.
Okay Lancer, if Help is the second biggest, where is the biggest. I REALLY need to go see this for myself!! I would agree with your assesment that one of the big draws of Help is the entire experience. I think just watching the scenery and realizing that for the most part I can take anyone of those to my bed is intoxicating.
I enjoy the "dance" as much as anything, and my experience is that it is a pretty good indication of what to expect when we are "dancing alone".
I should be in town on Sunday for a couple of days!
Mistro, start the music!
I forget where I read there was a bigger nightclub in South America, but it is not like Help. It is just a regular nightclub. Not a place where GDP's go. so don't get too excited. LOL
Okay Lancer, if Help is the second biggest, where is the biggest. I REALLY need to go see this for myself!!
Love Story in Sao Paulo is almost a big as Help and has always surpassed it in EVERY way : wilder atmosphere, much higher girls level (this is where GDPs from SP upscale clubs go to hang out for late-night fun and possibly make a last buck), more crowded, better music, better clientele, better service, ect.
It's the greatest "secret" in Brasil in regards to nightlife, and simply the best pick-up club on the planet in the history of mankind, bar none. No need to cry over Help.
I made a few posts about LS over the years in the Sao Paulo thread, the last one a few monthes ago :
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=843647&postcount=1997
Iluvthatwoman
04-07-09, 19:27
Lancer, I could not agree with you more. For a long time it has become cool for some to bash Help on the board and talk about getting the same girl at VM. That may be true but I happen to like to go out have a good time and hang out with attractive women. I love Brazil and I love Rio. I go there for the sun, the beach and for the women. I have never thought it was "just" about how to get off for the least amount on money. I don't like going to places that smell bad and look like some of the places that other guys on this board go to. But, I am glad they found a plce the like.
I am glad places like Help exist. But I am also places like 4x4, Barberella and VM exist. We all get in where we fit in have a good time. I wish we spent more time talking about the things we like instead all the stuff we hate.
After reading all these posts about the closing of Help, I'm fully convinced none of you get it. For those who are happy about Help closing and say it's a good thing here's my take. Help is not only about the GDP experience. Help is walking into the biggest or second biggest nightclub in South America and drinking champagne, living the rock star lifestyle at a fraction of the cost. Then looking around at 500 women, some good, some bad, and some incredible and saying I can take any one of these home. When I go to Rio, I really don't worry that much about what I'm spending. Bottom line, I'm here to have a great time and bang what I consider the most beautiful woman in the world. This last trip I only did Help 4 times in 10 days. Maybe i'm getting older and can't do the all nighters anymore but I still have fun. One of my favorite parts of this trip, were the friends I made from all over the world outside at Terraco Atlantico. With my wingman only there for half the trip, I was on my own and I met so many great guys there. In 2006 I met a GDP there that now lives in Switzerland but still to this day remains my all time favorite. I still hold out hope that this is another false alarm, but with the World Cup and the olympic bid, I think it's for real. I for one will miss it...
JohnnyBraz
04-07-09, 22:02
I have been in Rio a week now. Got sick on the way here after a 34 hour flight. Cruised through customs. I was quite worried as a was vomiting on 2 flights, and had 30, 000 are on me in 500 euro notes and some us dollars. Flight arrived at just before midnight. Got a taxi upstairs at arrivals, it come to just under 50r on the meter, would have come to around 45r, but I got a bit lost around the one way system. Phoned 2 garotas I know (1 part time gdp, one normal girl) the part time gdp came round straight away, sex 4 times per day, for the last week. No charge. Except I left my australian adaptor converter to brazilian at home, so I went to Rio sul and bought one she came with me. (I haven't been able to use my laptop for the last 4 days, as the battery is dead.) I felt abliged to buy her a present as I am feeling better now and ready to start my mongering time. Pair off shoes 400r. Adaptor 79r. Alot off women I have bumped into have went off at me for displaying there pictures on orkut. Even though none are off a sexual nature. I must say it has only been the last 2 days I have been able to eat food and am now back up to my regular 5 meals per day off protein low carbs. Tourism is down. So is the quality off garotas, mp is crap. (as usual) I haven't been to help yet, but will go tommorow night. I will spend the last night 2night with the women I invested 400r shoes on. Even though she must have spent 100r on me getting me drinks shower gels etc. But now it is time to monger. Last few days have been very overcast. But am looking forward to hitting helpe 2morrow night, with the termas in the day. Prices in copa seem to have gone up about 25% in the restraunts. Quality off food is down.
Love Story in Sao Paulo is almost a big as Help and has always surpassed it in EVERY way : wilder atmosphere, much higher girls level (this is where GDPs from SP upscale clubs go to hang out for late-night fun and possibly make a last buck), more crowded, better music, better clientele, better service, ect.
It's the greatest "secret" in Brasil in regards to nightlife, and simply the best pick-up club on the planet in the history of mankind, bar none. No need to cry over Help.
I made a few posts about LS over the years in the Sao Paulo thread, the last one a few monthes ago :
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=843647&postcount=1997
I knew I remembered reading it somewhere on this form. Thanks Prosal.
Spinnerman
04-07-09, 22:34
I forget where I read there was a bigger nightclub in South America, but it is not like Help. It is just a regular nightclub. Not a place where GDP's go. so don't get too excited. LOL
Via Show is bigger than Help
Via Show is bigger than Help
Like 3 or 4 times the size of Help!!
Where is Via Show? Is it a normal nightclub or a place for working girls??
Gotta 2nd this post....its more about the monger, not the GDP's....It's more about novices that don't really know shit about the scene and will defend it no matter how bad it gets IMHO.
Spinnerman
04-08-09, 01:51
Where is Via Show? Is it a normal nightclub or a place for working girls??
It's about a R50 taxi ride into the North Zone. Normal working class younger crowd ,( many of whom are incidently GDPs ) plays mostly Funk Music. Good place to meet regular girls particularly if u have some Portuguese. The ground floor piste can be dangerous , the second floor camarote costs a bit more and is safer. Beer is very cheap usually about R1 each and lots of people tend to get very drunk. If you go with a girl walk her to the toilet and wait for her , she'll get mauled. Top Mc Funk Djs play. Belo often does live concerts there.
I have been to Love Story many times, and don't know if it is bigger or not, size wise. I am glad that you have found it "bountiful", I on the other hand haven't returned in almost 2 yrs, because only once did I pull a GDP that was worth the effort.
I will agree it is louder and after about 2-3 am more crowded, and it does have it's charms. I still prefer Help, maybe becuase of the beachside setting, or the ability to retire to the balcony to chat, or maybe because I have had better experiences with the Help GDP's. Viva la difference!!
Via show is a good club on certain nights, the nights you want to watch out for is when they have fight club "Lado A vs Lado B" Its where two different gangs dance on opposite sides of the club and later duke it out with occassional security organizing the fights. I have heard on occasions people come out of these fights with broken arms, knocked uncounscious etc...
Here is a small clip, some parts of the clip show via show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai1lF3phMvs&feature=related
Love Story in Sao Paulo is almost a big as Help and has always surpassed it in EVERY way : wilder atmosphere, much higher girls level (this is where GDPs from SP upscale clubs go to hang out for late-night fun and possibly make a last buck), more crowded, better music, better clientele, better service, ect.
It's the greatest "secret" in Brasil in regards to nightlife, and simply the best pick-up club on the planet in the history of mankind, bar none. No need to cry over Help.
I made a few posts about LS over the years in the Sao Paulo thread, the last one a few monthes ago :
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=843647&postcount=1997
What is good music to you??? What is wrong with the music at HELP??
I have been to Love Story many times, and don't know if it is bigger or not, size wise. I am glad that you have found it "bountiful", I on the other hand haven't returned in almost 2 yrs, because only once did I pull a GDP that was worth the effort.
I will agree it is louder and after about 2-3 am more crowded, and it does have it's charms. I still prefer Help, maybe because of the beachside setting, or the ability to retire to the balcony to chat, or maybe because I have had better experiences with the Help GDP's. Viva la difference!!
Love Story, just like Help must be experienced. It is not for everyone. No, its not as big as Help and it does get VERY crowded! Sometimes you can barely move. The music is more dance, electronica, euro trance, and some hip-hop. It is the place where the GDPs go after the clubs close but, there are also other things going on that you may not want to be around. It is also not in the best of neighborhoods. Not for unescorted newbies (maybe if you are fluent in port). Had a drunk GDP hit on me, but when I left with someone else she threw a drink at me! I once left at 6:00am and it was still packed!
Via Show is bigger than Help
True.
And so are also lots of other clubs in Brazil, like the forró clubs in Manaus and Fortaleza.
Mucuripe Club in Fortaleza makes Help look tiny and very lowclass.
http://www.mucuripe.com.br
What is wrong with the music at HELP??
Music at Help is techno crap for uninspired and tasteless mid-aged gringo mongers, that's all.
Love Story doesn't play in the same league.
It's simply one of the two most "in" after-hours (with Lov.e) of the South America's clubbing capital, and the music you hear there matches this position.
Where is Via Show? Is it a normal nightclub or a place for working girls??
link for via show
http://www.viashow.com.br/
What is good music to you??? What is wrong with the music at HELP??
I can't believe you let yourself get baited into asking this question!!! Generally speaking I enjoy all the music I encounter in Brazil. I'm on vacation, and there are tons of women around.
ryjer
It's more about novices that don't really know shit about the scene and will defend it no matter how bad it gets IMHO.
What is there to defend?? My original point was, that it gets old when people post the same silly stories about how bad things are in and around Help. I think it's more about so called mongers that complain and don't know shit. And some of these same people only frequent Help and the Termas. This is their only experience, and since this is bad, the entire scene is bad. Copa encompasses more than just the strip of Ave Atlantica.
What is there to defend?? My original point was, that it gets old when people post the same silly stories about how bad things are in and around Help. I think it's more about so called mongers that complain and don't know shit. And some of these same people only frequent Help and the Termas. This is their only experience, and since this is bad, the entire scene is bad. Copa encompasses more than just the strip of Ave Atlantica.On the contrary,the overwhelming majority of posts here sing the praises of the Copa scene. I would say that it gets old when people make up sensationalized accounts about whats going on down there. But to each his own.
In fact nobody here as refuted my statement. Yes, we're all aware of the options OUTSIDE of Copa, but I was talking specifically about Copa and only Copa,yet people take offense as though the own the whole strip down there or something.
Agree to disagree. No harm done.
Music at Help is techno crap for uninspired and tasteless mid-aged gringo mongers, that's all.
Love Story doesn't play in the same league.
It's simply one of the two most "in" after-hours (with Lov.e) of the South America's clubbing capital, and the music you hear there matches this position.
Actually, it just depends on a guys likes and dislikes.
LOVE STORY is for those who dig the electronica, trance type scene.
Though it's an interesting place for sure, it's not my deal.
To each their own really, just because you dig a certain place or it's music, doesn't mean everyone else is tasteless just because they enjoy different venues or music.
I met a girl today from http://www.riosexsite.net/d_pagina.asp?c=179&n=Luma+Toledo A very good experience. I called her 2 days before to mark and she came litle late because was traffic but called me to inform me. I opened the door and she is as much exciting as the fotos from the site were make me think! Nice figure, nice face, nice smile, nice sun tan with the famous "marca de bikini" hehehe!
Everything what she announce on the website is offered and always with smile. Well a good company. Maybe little more expensive than a help girl but at least nothing to be disappointed. I'll see her again at the end of the month. You can even tell I send you if it help as we had a good time I guess she remember me! Hahaha!
Love Story, just like Help must be experienced. It is not for everyone. No, its not as big as Help and it does get VERY crowded! Sometimes you can barely move. The music is more dance, electronica, euro trance, and some hip-hop. It is the place where the GDPs go after the clubs close but, there are also other things going on that you may not want to be around. It is also not in the best of neighborhoods. Not for unescorted newbies (maybe if you are fluent in port). Had a drunk GDP hit on me, but when I left with someone else she threw a drink at me! I once left at 6:00am and it was still packed! where is this club located? Maybe I will give it a try. And via show I was told that it is best to go with a girl and it is not a place to pick up GDP. Might get your butt kicked by the locals. Tell me if I'm wrong.
Actually, it just depends on a guys likes and dislikes.
To each their own really, just because you dig a certain place or it's music, doesn't mean everyone else is tasteless just because they enjoy different venues or music
You obviously didn't get my point. It has nothing to do with likes and dislikes. And BTW I don't especially dig electronica.
My point is that one just can't compare Help, whose musical style (uninspired and outdated techno) is oriented to satisfy a clientele of mid-aged gringo mongers who don't give a shit about what they hear, and a place like Love Story, which is the trendiest and most intense after-hours of Sao Paulo, where some of the top-50 brasilian DJs perform regularly and where the sharpest and most demanding brasilian party-goers go for late-night fun.
Anyhow for your info, from 4.30/5am, music in LS is usually mostly Carioca funk and brasilian hits remixes. Maybe you didn't stay late enough to notice it ? ;)
Pipe Layer99
04-08-09, 17:59
I recognized a few of them - just different names on the site below.
Fredyann-
The girl you mentioned - Luana Vip - charges a hoop of cash in Spain.
200 euro for 1/2 hour = R$594
300 euro 1 hour = R$891
500 euro 2 hours = R$1485
Is she smoking crack or what?
I wonder what she asks for in RIO?
I know - I will call her ass in 2 weeks when I get there to find out.
.........For the second question about site with adds yes you can find some very nice one. You just have to take your time. Some site even show the face of the girls and they are the same as on the fotos. If the girl like you as I said she can even stay longer, they are happy to spend good time when they have a good feeling and like you. Check this one... http://www.cidadenua.com.br/rafaferrari.htm She is very beautiful. If I go for a girl I like this type. If somebody can still fine many options like this in Help then you can even send me some phone in PM, I would be happy !! rsrsrs
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Jamaicanceo
04-08-09, 19:09
i was leaving termas 502 with my wingman heading back to copa, when we eyed this super darks skinned beauty as we entered uruguaiana station. she was caught of guard when i approached her. she spoke no english, appeared to be young, had a tongue ring, and stood about 5'8" and proportionately thick. her name is zandra.
i was able to get her cell number and a good hard on looking at her luxious dark body. she had ass, thighs, thick ankles, small waist and small breasts. as she walked with her obvious ass fucking bunda, i prayed to be able to communicate, because her english was zero. this meeting was thursaday, march 28.
on saturday i called zandra, and it was painfully difficult trying to get her to understand that i wanted her to visit my apartment. she even walked to a neighborhood girlfriend's house with me on the phone to make an effort to communicate. this made me kick myself for not diligently using my online rosettastone brazilian language course.
answering my prayers, the guy who i rented the apartment from came and translated to give zandra directions to my apartment at migiel lemos and ave. atlantica. based on the translators opinion, this girl doesn't know copa, and will be taking th metro from a rj state city called belford roxo. he said it was a long way by metro. this was 1pm, and she agreed to meet me in front of the othon hotel next to meia pataca in 2 1/2 hours.
as time approached i made it to the hotel, avoiding meia pataca mongers and garotas. i hate when the mp girls say, "hey baby'! i am done with that crowd, because too many of them and help gdp were asking r$400 for 2 hours. although there were the smart girls who fucked for r$200. i was experienced enough to now the smart ones who wasn't listening this fat bald headed dike named rosa, who is pimping new girls to ask for the high prices. but i told the friendly new american mongers to take nothing higher than r$200.
anyway, zandra showed and we walked straight to my apartment. what disappointed me was she had 2 kids and she smoked. but she was 21 years old, and had a body that was sexy enough to be at a monte carlos or luomo, because her ass was pretty, black and big for a tall girl, and she had the legs to her feet just as sexy. her face was sharp featured with thick lips and she had long-braids.
well, with my poor portuguese and nonenglish speaking, all we did was fuck. she was a great bbbj giver, she took it in the ass like she was competing for an olympic gold medal, and her pussy was tight. we fucked from 3pm until 7pm, then she was hungry and when i mention what food she wanted, it was carry out pizza and back to my apartment. she didn't want the restaurant scene.
after ordering the pizza, we had to wait 50 minutes to pick up our order. so we went over to the migie lemos internet cafe to use an online translator to get some things understood, like, when i return to brazil you are mine right, she said yes. zandra showed me her orkut page and we solidified that she will be my reliable piece of ass.
when we paid for the internet, a strange thing happened. this fat ass brazilian guy working there said some portugese shit that made her somewhat uncomfortable. and i suspect that he has scene enough of us americans with their women that he had to say something, because she glanced at me as he was talking. fuck him. we went back for our pizza.
back at the apartment we at pizza and fucked until she had to catch the last metro. man she liked it in the ass. i also took photos that i will post. so in another awkard situation, i asked how much reis for her time and she said, "voce no programa", or something like that. but i understood. however, for 8 hours of fucking and a great time, i gave her r$200 reis and she sat there like, "what am i suppose to do with this? " she had two kids and came a long way. needless to say, we fucked some more and she missed her metro, but we wnet to the bus stop on copacabana blvd at 11:30pm and she caught the central bus.
now i am going to deal with her. being a young mother, i think she is trainable. she was willing to make an effort to have fun, and hasn't been caught-up in the mp and helpee gdp. she will be the girlfrind who lives far enough away from the action to spend time that a local can't give her, then go home. i want more of these type of girls, and i will make it worth their wild. she braids her for a living. she also used the online translator, as i taught her, to send me emails in the states. but i won't be sending any big screen tv and the dumb stuff i heard guys do when they lose their minds. but a few extra things for her and her 2 and 4 year old girls wouldn't hurt but go a long way.
i've added five photos. i have some more reporting to do. i didn't care for balcony. i discovered 502; had a great tme at 4x4, luomo and monte carlo where all the terma girls i sessioned with game me numbers for home service. one even rents apartments for visiting mongers.
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I can't believe you let yourself get baited into asking this question!!! Generally speaking I enjoy all the music I encounter in Brazil. I'm on vacation, and there are tons of women around.
ryjer
You are right I got baited...seems I was asking an old fart the wrong question....
Jamaicanceo,
Very nice report! I have a bit of time on my hands, so I thought I would edit your photos to get a better look. Very NICE! The last photo is very good, so no need to edit, just click on Jamaicanceo last photo! Off the chain!
RonnyRon
Jamaicanceo
04-09-09, 01:28
Jamaicanceo,
Very nice report! I have a bit of time on my hands, so I thought I would edit your photos to get a better look. Very NICE! The last photo is very good, so no need to edit, just click on Jamaicanceo last photo! Off the chain!
RonnyRonThanks Ron. I did have a time with sizing the photos. I'm really determined to meet more non Copacabana girls. I love watching the centro women.
Damn, that girl makes Wesley Sniped look Albino.
Jamaicanceo, what application do you use to get the pictures that small? Once I reach around 56K, i cant reduce them any smaller.
Jamaicanceo
04-09-09, 04:24
Jamaicanceo, what application do you use to get the pictures that small? Once I reach around 56K, i cant reduce them any smaller.I used www.shrinkpictures.com.
Jamaicanceo
04-09-09, 04:27
i was leaving termas 502 with my wingman heading back to copa, when we eyed this super darks skinned beauty as we entered uruguaiana station. she was caught of guard when i approached her. she spoke no english, appeared to be young, had a tongue ring, and stood about 5'8" and proportionately thick. her name is zandra.
i was able to get her cell number and a good hard on looking at her luxious dark body. she had ass, thighs, thick ankles, small waist and small breasts. as she walked with her obvious ass fucking bunda, i prayed to be able to communicate, because her english was zero. this meeting was thursaday, march 28.
on saturday i called zandra, and it was painfully difficult trying to get her to understand that i wanted her to visit my apartment. she even walked to a neighborhood girlfriend's house with me on the phone to make an effort to communicate. this made me kick myself for not diligently using my online rosettastone brazilian language course.
answering my prayers, the guy who i rented the apartment from came and translated to give zandra directions to my apartment at migiel lemos and ave. atlantica. based on the translators opinion, this girl doesn't know copa, and will be taking th metro from a rj state city called belford roxo. he said it was a long way by metro. this was 1pm, and she agreed to meet me in front of the othon hotel next to meia pataca in 2 1/2 hours.
as time approached i made it to the hotel, avoiding meia pataca mongers and garotas. i hate when the mp girls say, "hey baby'! i am done with that crowd, because too many of them and help gdp were asking r$400 for 2 hours. although there were the smart girls who fucked for r$200. i was experienced enough to now the smart ones who wasn't listening this fat bald headed dike named rosa, who is pimping new girls to ask for the high prices. but i told the friendly new american mongers to take nothing higher than r$200.
anyway, zandra showed and we walked straight to my apartment. what disappointed me was she had 2 kids and she smoked. but she was 21 years old, and had a body that was sexy enough to be at a monte carlos or luomo, because her ass was pretty, black and big for a tall girl, and she had the legs to her feet just as sexy. her face was sharp featured with thick lips and she had long-braids.
well, with my poor portuguese and nonenglish speaking, all we did was fuck. she was a great bbbj giver, she took it in the ass like she was competing for an olympic gold medal, and her pussy was tight. we fucked from 3pm until 7pm, then she was hungry and when i mention what food she wanted, it was carry out pizza and back to my apartment. she didn't want the restaurant scene.
after ordering the pizza, we had to wait 50 minutes to pick up our order. so we went over to the migie lemos internet cafe to use an online translator to get some things understood, like, when i return to brazil you are mine right, she said yes. zandra showed me her orkut page and we solidified that she will be my reliable piece of ass.
when we paid for the internet, a strange thing happened. this fat ass brazilian guy working there said some portugese shit that made her somewhat uncomfortable. and i suspect that he has scene enough of us americans with their women that he had to say something, because she glanced at me as he was talking. fuck him. we went back for our pizza.
back at the apartment we at pizza and fucked until she had to catch the last metro. man she liked it in the ass. i also took photos that i will post. so in another awkard situation, i asked how much reis for her time and she said, "voce no programa", or something like that. but i understood. however, for 8 hours of fucking and a great time, i gave her r$200 reis and she sat there like, "what am i suppose to do with this? " she had two kids and came a long way. needless to say, we fucked some more and she missed her metro, but we wnet to the bus stop on copacabana blvd at 11:30pm and she caught the central bus.
now i am going to deal with her. being a young mother, i think she is trainable. she was willing to make an effort to have fun, and hasn't been caught-up in the mp and helpee gdp. she will be the girlfrind who lives far enough away from the action to spend time that a local can't give her, then go home. i want more of these type of girls, and i will make it worth their wild. she braids her for a living. she also used the online translator, as i taught her, to send me emails in the states. but i won't be sending any big screen tv and the dumb stuff i heard guys do when they lose their minds. but a few extra things for her and her 2 and 4 year old girls wouldn't hurt but go a long way.
i've added five photos. i have some more reporting to do. i didn't care for balcony. i discovered 502; had a great tme at 4x4, luomo and monte carlo where all the terma girls i sessioned with game me numbers for home service. one even rents apartments for visiting mongers.
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Still Learning
04-09-09, 04:41
Jamaicanceo, what application do you use to get the pictures that small? Once I reach around 56K, i cant reduce them any smaller.I am not Jamaicanceo, but try using irfanview (free image browser) to resize your images. The key is to NOT save any extra metadata (IPTC data etc.) when you save as jpg.
Anyhow for your info, from 4.30/5am, music in LS is usually mostly Carioca funk and brasilian hits remixes. Maybe you didn't stay late enough to notice it ? ;)
Got ya amigo.
BTW, I went to a place in SP with my girlfriend last weekend to see Calcinha Preta.
It was a large club with multiple levels and sections with different music types and shows in each section.
Lots of hot chicas about, non-pros. I was getting lots of looks even though I was with my girl.
It was open til like 6am. Different than LS, but it was cool and fun.
So in another awkard situation, I asked how much reis for her time and she said, "Voce no programa", or something like that. But I understood. However, for 8 hours of fucking and a great time, I gave her R$200 reis and she sat there like, "what am I suppose to do with this? "... I want more of these type of girls, and I will make it worth their wild.
Jamaicanceo, why on earth did you offer her money after having sex?
That would be a major insult to most non-pro girls. If I did something like this to my regular non-pro GF's they would slap my face and never meet me again. They are proud of being hard-working (or studying) women. Getting paid after having sex with a gringo is the same as calling them a "puta".
In this forum I often read "in the end we always have to pay for them". IMO that is pure BS. Most non-pro girls don't expect to get paid in any way. At least not if they really like you. Taking them out to dinner, giving them a present or money to taxi are nice gestures, but that's nothing that's being expected.
It's not about being cheap. It's a matter of showing them respect and treat them like a real girlfriend.
Legal Tender
04-09-09, 06:07
Jamaicanceo, why on earth did you offer her money after having sex?. . . .
That would be a major insult to most non-pro girls. If I did something like this to my regular non-pro GF's they would slap my face and never meet me again. They are proud of being hard-working (or studying) women. Getting paid after having sex with a gringo is the same as calling them a "puta".
In this forum I often read "in the end we always have to pay for them". IMO that is pure BS. Most non-pro girls don't expect to get paid in any way. At least not if they really like you. Taking them out to dinner, giving them a present or money to taxi are nice gestures, but that's nothing that's being expected.
It's not about being cheap. It's a matter of showing them respect and treat them like a real girlfriend.Dinner, presents "taxi" money. EVERY woman wants something. Showing them "respect" means showing that you are of substance. In this world that means cash or cash equivalents. That's how "real" girlfriends expect to be treated.
Jamaicanceo
04-09-09, 06:13
Jamaicanceo, why on earth did you offer her money after having sex?
That would be a major insult to most non-pro girls. If I did something like this to my regular non-pro GF's they would slap my face and never meet me again. They are proud of being hard-working (or studying) women. Getting paid after having sex with a gringo is the same as calling them a "puta".
In this forum I often read "in the end we always have to pay for them". IMO that is pure BS. Most non-pro girls don't expect to get paid in any way. At least not if they really like you. Taking them out to dinner, giving them a present or money to taxi are nice gestures, but that's nothing that's being expected.
It's not about being cheap. It's a matter of showing them respect and treat them like a real girlfriend.LOL! Here we go. You know I thought about not giving her any money, and when I did I thought about why did I do it.
I did it because overall she performed above and beyond with meeting me on the metro, either of us were able to communicate because of language, and without BS, gave me all the BBBJ, ass and pussy I wanted and as often as I wanted for 8 hours without negotiations. And I remember her going into the livingroom and retrieving some flavored dick sucking lotion, and literally skipping back to me so she can suck my dick.
Ok, it was an insult to offer her money, but if I am willing to give a termas R$200 for an hour of sex, and a MP or Help bimbo many, then she deserves an offering. She was very polite. And when I do her again, I will put some reis in her hand, especially with er being a young mother, and taking time to see me after a couple of hours on the metro.
But Sperto, I respect your opinion. And I knew you were going to bark at me when I made my initial post. But she was good. And when I said I wanted photos, she bent over, pulled her panties aside and showed me her nice tight brown-eye. I know ou wish you were there!
Just kidding!
Jamaicanceo
04-09-09, 06:16
Dinner, presents "taxi" money. EVERY woman wants something. Showing them "respect" means showing that you are of substance. In this world that means cash or cash equivalents. That's how "real" girlfriends expect to be treated.I agree. It was all about respecting her. She said to me she was no programa. But at least she respected the fact that I didn't take her for granted. And she has been sending me online translation emails everyday.
Jamaicanceo, why on earth did you offer her money after having sex?
That would be a major insult to most non-pro girls. If I did something like this to my regular non-pro GF's they would slap my face and never meet me again. They are proud of being hard-working (or studying) women. Getting paid after having sex with a gringo is the same as calling them a "puta".
I dont know any non-pro females in Rio would would go to a complete stranger's house (Someone who they cant even have a simple conversation with) and fuck him all day long, without expecting some sort of payment.
Dont get fooled by that whole "You arent a programma or why are you giving me money BS" Thats like women here in the states who act like they are reaching for their purse when the dinner check comes, they are doing it for show!!
Jamaicanceo happened upon a GDP who was headed home. No normal women is going to allow a gringo to take naked pics of her one day after meeting them. Rio is alot of fun, but it isnt that wild and care free!!
Jamaicanceo
04-09-09, 06:32
I don't know any non-pro females in Rio would would go to a complete stranger's house (Someone who they can't even have a simple conversation with) and fuck him all day long, without expecting some sort of payment.
Don't get fooled by that whole "You arent a programma or why are you giving me money BS" Thats like women here in the states who act like they are reaching for their purse when the dinner check comes, they are doing it for show!
Jamaicanceo happened upon a GDP who was headed home. No normal women is going to allow a gringo to take naked pics of her one day after meeting them. Rio is alot of fun, but it isn't that wild and care free! And I believe you are right. Assuming all aspects, I offered the money. I told my wingman that she could've been a centro termas girls; or Aceva calls them, "A diamond in the rough. " When se it her cigarette afer each session, and posed for the pictures, some things made me think she was a downtown termas girl.
But she still did a great job satisfying me. I will keep her on call. At least I know she is no trouble. Plus, she was pretty clean. However, I wasn't willing to taste.
Jamaicanceo happened upon a GDP who was headed home. No normal women is going to allow a gringo to take naked pics of her one day after meeting them. Rio is alot of fun, but it isnt that wild and care free!!
Interesting point about the pictures.................makes perfect sense!!!
Jamaicanceo
04-09-09, 06:48
Interesting point about the pictures.................makes perfect sense!!!I still enjoyed myself. Shit, I just turned 50. R$200 reis is cheap for that much fun. A 27 year old business associate said his buddy dropped $2,000.00 in Las Vegas this past weekend for his 30 birthday. Now who had more fun reis per dollar?
EVERY woman wants something. Showing them "respect" means showing that you are of substance. In this world that means cash or cash equivalents.
That might be how things works in the US and Europe, but not necessarily in Brazil.
I have a very healthy relationship with my girlfriends in Brazil. They know I only stay for a short time and some of them propably suspect that I have girlfriends in other cities. We keep in contact and we meet every year and have our adventure. They want nothing else than having a good time.
This works fine with me. Anyway, each to their own. If other guys feels the need to pay, go ahead.
No normal women is going to allow a gringo to take naked pics of her one day after meeting them. Rio is alot of fun, but it isnt that wild and care free!!
I guess the women I meet are not normal. :D
They are happy to pose.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866294&postcount=3244
BTW, I went to a place in SP with my girlfriend last weekend to see Calcinha Preta.
It was a large club with multiple levels and sections with different music types and shows in each section.
Lots of hot chicas about, non-pros. I was getting lots of looks even though I was with my girl.
That's what is great in Sao Paulo. I can't think about another place on the planet with a better nightlife. You can hit a different cool, large and "in" (and crowded) place every day of the week during six monthes without even BEGIN to discover what the city has to offer. I've been told that only in Itaim Bibi/Vila Olimpia neighborhood, there's something like 200 - regular - upscale bars, lounges and clubs !
Anyhow don't spread too much the secret : in EVERY way (and especially for P4P), Sao Paulo blows Rio out of the water. ;)
I guess the women I meet are not normal. :D
They are happy to pose.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866294&postcount=3244
One important thing you have to remember Sperto is that you are fluent in portugese. Jamaicanceo couldnt even speak enough portugese, to make the girl understand something as simple, as his apartment address. So obviously he didnt woo her with his wit, charm or sense of humor. (I am not slamming you Jamaicanceo, I appreciate you posting your experiences). Again, its obvious he ran into a GDP who was on her way home.
I think we have to look at the situation with common sense. Its like my co-workers who approach me and ask "Hey Bravo. Where is that beach that I see on this internet site? Its called Mike in Brazil! I want to go there!"
They actually think that shit is real!!! I usually ask them "Do you honestly believe you can walk up to a total stranger, a super hot young woman at that. Not be able to speak the language. And within 10 minutes you will have her back at your apartment, you will be fucking her in the ass and filming the whole thing too? They then look at me like I just told them that Santa Claus wasnt real.
They then look at me like I just told them that Santa Claus wasnt real.
Stop playing, we all know there is a Santa Claus. Next thing you'll be saying, is that it isn't the tooth fairy who took my teeth and left me all that cash!!!!!!
Nice report. Nice girl. Almost looks straight out of Africa. Procrastination and indicision are the thieves of life. You my man had the balls to walk up and start a conversation with her. In return, you were pleasently rewarded with a fine bunda!
Great find!
I dont know any non-pro females in Rio would would go to a complete stranger's house (Someone who they cant even have a simple conversation with) and fuck him all day long, without expecting some sort of payment.
Dont get fooled by that whole "You arent a programma or why are you giving me money BS" Thats like women here in the states who act like they are reaching for their purse when the dinner check comes, they are doing it for show!!
Jamaicanceo happened upon a GDP who was headed home. No normal women is going to allow a gringo to take naked pics of her one day after meeting them. Rio is alot of fun, but it isnt that wild and care free!!
Bravo is 100% correct; women in Rio - esp. Non-Pros - are very wary of Gringos. Most of the time the will not even look at you to say hi. I have been all over Rio and this mostly the case. Usually, the only way to meet a non-pro is throught contancts.
In spite of a lot of other appearances, Brazilans are very conservative.
My guess the girl the Jamc meet wanted to establish a longer term realtionship with future reutrns. Hell, she may have even liked him (GdPs are human are all). But this behavior is very a typical of a Brazilain woman and should be viewed as such.
Jamaicanceo
04-09-09, 14:54
One important thing you have to remember Sperto is that you are fluent in portugese. Jamaicanceo couldnt even speak enough portugese, to make the girl understand something as simple, as his apartment address. So obviously he didnt woo her with his wit, charm or sense of humor. (I am not slamming you Jamaicanceo, I appreciate you posting your experiences). Again, its obvious he ran into a GDP who was on her way home.
I think we have to look at the situation with common sense. Its like my co-workers who approach me and ask "Hey Bravo. Where is that beach that I see on this internet site? Its called Mike in Brazil! I want to go there!"
They actually think that shit is real!!! I usually ask them "Do you honestly believe you can walk up to a total stranger, a super hot young woman at that. Not be able to speak the language. And within 10 minutes you will have her back at your apartment, you will be fucking her in the ass and filming the whole thing too? They then look at me like I just told them that Santa Claus wasnt real.She came by two days later, not 10 minutes; and I think I would her by my good looks. Thank you very much. Being handsome could go a long way.
It has become an amusing thread. Jamaicanceo met a girl in the metro station and managed to get laid and take some pictures. Great! Suddenly everybody takes the conclusion that she was a pro.
I don't know neither Jamaicanceo or the girl but I can't see any reason at all why she should have been a pro. Wake up! It do happens that people meet, feel a mutual attraction and have sex without money being involved.
Centro is a very good place to meet non-pro's. Girls with regular works living far away from the copa-scene. Take a stroll in centro and try yourself. Flirt, smile, chat, have a suco and date. Try not to get brain-washed from the copa-scene.
Anyway, I enjoyed Jamaicanceo's report. Nice pics as well.
I guess you are right Sperto, maybe I should just look at the bigger picture. In the end, if she is or isnt a CGP, its really not that important. I am just happy that he wrote about his experiences and posted up photos.
I guess you are right Sperto, maybe I should just look at the bigger picture. In the end, if she is or isnt a CGP, its really not that important. I am just happy that he wrote about his experiences and posted up photos.
Jamaicanceo wrote a good report and added pictures. IMHO, no need to rain on his parade. With all the f**ked things going on in this world right now, I for one really enjoyed reading Jamaicanceo experience. This life is short. Get as much as you can out of it without harming others. Sounds like he did on that day.
RonnyRon
I'm never one to rain on any one's happiness; becuase in the end, that's all the really matter: are you happy? I think we were just trying to give another explanation in order that he is not disappointed.
Jamicaeico was happy with the girl and the time they spent together, and believe me, I am happy for him.
As for seeing girls in other parts of Rio: I've been to Centro, Niteroi, went to Via Show, when to Samda school, went to Macarana, went to Castlo das Predas (sp); I've rode the Metro, and the Onibus all over Rio and have seen thousand of girls and watched their behaivor. What "I" noticed is that most girls usually only socialize with others they know, or people that know the people they know.
People like Bravo and Sperto have wayyy more expericned in Brasil ( all over the counttry, not just Rio) and can say if I'm seeing things.
I have a friend right now who is working to bring a girl to the U.S. His first trip to Rio was Nov. 2007. He knew everything and nothing at all. Where did he meet her? Help. What was the catch? She spoke English. She seems like a nice person. Is he crazy? I think so, but really who I am I to say. My other friends and I often debate the situation, but in the final analysis it is his decision. Maybe it will turn out good for him. I let him know all the reason why it is not a good idea starting the fact she has 3 kids, but hey he is a grown man and it's his life. Perhaps, he has it right and we are all wrong. My next door neighbor is married to a Brazilian women from Rio. I would guess he is 60+ and she looks to be in her early 40's. They look pretty happy to me. One thing is for sure. She puts the 20 something girls who live around me to shame! Time will tell.
RonnyRon
RR, your boy thinks a prostitute with 3 kids is a good catch?!!! Tell him to come up here to NYC, I can take him to Hunts Point where he can find the same thing and not have to deal with the Visa issue! LOL
Oh and props to your neighbor with the hot wife!
Hi lads,
Not sure if this is correct protocol but I wanted to mention that I had the best ever Christmas and New Year due to this site. I stumbled across it when looking for a place to rent. ISG popped up in the Google search. Thank God for meta links is all I say.
I read the reports of distinction and even printed some of them out. I decided to take the plunge and become a monger. I tried L'Uomo on my second day in Copa and didn't look back – three weeks of sun, booze and women. Although I ventured to 4x4 (shagged the biggest bunda I've ever seen and loved it!) and some of the cheaper places around Centro I found myself drifting back to L'Uomo and then I discovered Monte Carlo, too. I felt the prices (around £100/£160) for a good night out that included drinks and a shag to be a worthwhile price to pay on holiday.
I'd wake up in the morning, grab a coffee and some food, have a walk along the beach, read my book, have some lunch and then a siesta then go out around 8pm. I met some nice blokes who had grins on their faces as big as mine as we sat looking at the wares on show. It was like an adult Christmas grotto.
On my second to last night I visited Monte Carlo and saw what can only be described as a piece of heaven. I think her name was Fernanda, or Nanda. She stood out from the rest of the girls because she just kind of leaned against the wall looking vulnerable and innocent. She was slim but with curves (smallish fake boobs) about 5'7" and with really long brown hair with a bit of wave in it that she constantly twirled around her fingers coquettishly. Her features reminded me of a southern Italian. She could talk no English and my Portuguese wasn't great but she agreed to come upstairs. Immediately she got on all fours and grabbed my cock to plunge it straight into her sweet puckered arse. How could a man resist? I shot my wad pretty swiftly but she was so hot I managed to get it up again.
I spent 40 minutes with this babe and I don't think I'll ever forget her. She wasn't the friendliest, or had the most outrageous body, she was just, different. The moment made my holiday. I don't know if anyone else has experienced her (I didn't take pics and haven't seen any on this site) but if you get the chance you won't regret it.
I think I'll be back in Rio for Christmas this year and will take as much from these reports as I can, such is their usefulness.
All the best!
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I rarely post on this board and its usually just to add a comment about non-pro's. I truly believe many guys have no real clue as to how women work/function/operate. They spend so much time focused on P4P, they have difficulty grasping female biology.
Women like sex. Brazilian women really like sex. But more or less, women like sex. The challenge for most women is finding a guy WORTH having sex with i.e. cool, confident, relaxed, alpha, part of a tribe she wants to join or at least visit, etc. Do you guys really think that if a good looking, confident, Brazilian guy with almost zero English went to a night club in the States, he'd have trouble getting a woman home quickly if he knows how to pull? Uhhhh, no. Most of the time women are paying attention to body language, vibe, tone of voice, eye contact, etc. so your words can actually screw things up.
Jamaicaceo knows how, so he pulled. Sperto and others know how, so they pull. Has nothing to do with P4P or GDP. Get better at the game and save your cash.
DRGN
JohnnyBraz
04-10-09, 01:09
i was leaving termas 502 with my wingman heading back to copa, when we eyed this super darks skinned beauty as we entered uruguaiana station. she was caught of guard when i approached her. she spoke no english, appeared to be young, had a tongue ring, and stood about 5'8" and proportionately thick. her name is zandra.
i was able to get her cell number and a good hard on looking at her luxious dark body. she had ass, thighs, thick ankles, small waist and small breasts. as she walked with her obvious ass fucking bunda, i prayed to be able to communicate, because her english was zero. this meeting was thursaday, march 28.
on saturday i called zandra, and it was painfully difficult trying to get her to understand that i wanted her to visit my apartment. she even walked to a neighborhood girlfriend's house with me on the phone to make an effort to communicate. this made me kick myself for not diligently using my online rosettastone brazilian language course.
answering my prayers, the guy who i rented the apartment from came and translated to give zandra directions to my apartment at migiel lemos and ave. atlantica. based on the translators opinion, this girl doesn't know copa, and will be taking th metro from a rj state city called belford roxo. he said it was a long way by metro. this was 1pm, and she agreed to meet me in front of the othon hotel next to meia pataca in 2 1/2 hours.
as time approached i made it to the hotel, avoiding meia pataca mongers and garotas. i hate when the mp girls say, "hey baby'! i am done with that crowd, because too many of them and help gdp were asking r$400 for 2 hours. although there were the smart girls who fucked for r$200. i was experienced enough to now the smart ones who wasn't listening this fat bald headed dike named rosa, who is pimping new girls to ask for the high prices. but i told the friendly new american mongers to take nothing higher than r$200.
anyway, zandra showed and we walked straight to my apartment. what disappointed me was she had 2 kids and she smoked. but she was 21 years old, and had a body that was sexy enough to be at a monte carlos or luomo, because her ass was pretty, black and big for a tall girl, and she had the legs to her feet just as sexy. her face was sharp featured with thick lips and she had long-braids.
well, with my poor portuguese and nonenglish speaking, all we did was fuck. she was a great bbbj giver, she took it in the ass like she was competing for an olympic gold medal, and her pussy was tight. we fucked from 3pm until 7pm, then she was hungry and when i mention what food she wanted, it was carry out pizza and back to my apartment. she didn't want the restaurant scene.
after ordering the pizza, we had to wait 50 minutes to pick up our order. so we went over to the migie lemos internet cafe to use an online translator to get some things understood, like, when i return to brazil you are mine right, she said yes. zandra showed me her orkut page and we solidified that she will be my reliable piece of ass.
when we paid for the internet, a strange thing happened. this fat ass brazilian guy working there said some portugese shit that made her somewhat uncomfortable. and i suspect that he has scene enough of us americans with their women that he had to say something, because she glanced at me as he was talking. fuck him. we went back for our pizza.
back at the apartment we at pizza and fucked until she had to catch the last metro. man she liked it in the ass. i also took photos that i will post. so in another awkard situation, i asked how much reis for her time and she said, "voce no programa", or something like that. but i understood. however, for 8 hours of fucking and a great time, i gave her r$200 reis and she sat there like, "what am i suppose to do with this? " she had two kids and came a long way. needless to say, we fucked some more and she missed her metro, but we wnet to the bus stop on copacabana blvd at 11:30pm and she caught the central bus.
now i am going to deal with her. being a young mother, i think she is trainable. she was willing to make an effort to have fun, and hasn't been caught-up in the mp and helpee gdp. she will be the girlfrind who lives far enough away from the action to spend time that a local can't give her, then go home. i want more of these type of girls, and i will make it worth their wild. she braids her for a living. she also used the online translator, as i taught her, to send me emails in the states. but i won't be sending any big screen tv and the dumb stuff i heard guys do when they lose their minds. but a few extra things for her and her 2 and 4 year old girls wouldn't hurt but go a long way.
i've added five photos. i have some more reporting to do. i didn't care for balcony. i discovered 502; had a great tme at 4x4, luomo and monte carlo where all the terma girls i sessioned with game me numbers for home service. one even rents apartments for visiting mongers.
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.you could have had a good meal at bibi's on the corner off miguel lemos and ns copacabana. food comes in less than 10 minutes. (franga is good. 15r each max plus drinks). few drinks and back for action. i'm off to aprador tonight for a meal, then sex on the rocks at aprador. goto love outdoor action.
on a nice friday early afternoon walking down copa me and my wingman (for purposes of the tape 'l') we was slightly bored and at a loose end of what to do after heavy session the night before, something popped into my head about miami peep show, so i suggested this to 'l' whom although had never been knew where it was and as it happened we was only few blocks away. in the walk to miami i was telling 'l' what i had heard about it, and the more we discussed it the more appealing and great fun it sounded, on route to miami we bump into another mongerer who casually asks what were up to and we casually reply on our way to miami, this results in a small smile but with a look of yeah anything goes, its rio.
we arrive at miami (which incidently is almost directly accross from 9am fuk joint 500 apt 487 on copa ns)
miami is a porno shop downstairs but immedietly you can sense the seedyness on entering (in a good way) were greeted by the porno seller downstairs where i recolled you need tokens and you can purchace here, i also recolled what you don't use you can cash back in again, its 1r per token.
with out knowing the setup we quickly hand over $20r and get 10 tokens each. we proceed up the stairs where serveral brazillians are hanging out minding their own business and don't bat an eyelid (drinking skol cans from vending machine $r2) i see a bored with around 15 garotas on it where me and 'l' spend a couple of minutes looked and discussing which is fuckable and which is not etc. i then realsie there is several cabins immedietly behind us when it was brought to my attention the 'designated cum cleaner' (ie young guy with a mop) had vacated a cabin. we kinda laughed at eachother and decided to get in a cabin. on entering cabin (which has a nice seedy feel) there is a screen, a small wooden stool and and coin bit to put your tokens, so i'm in, door locked behind me puts some tokens in, then the lights come on allowing you to see the revolving circular stage with pole in middle, with two garotas dancing around, i was just absorbing the bizrarreness when it crossed my mind the girls could see in so was away to pull the little man out and do a bit of flashing through the window (well i didn't really know what i was going to do but as i say it was bizarre) when at the last second i clocked several sets of eyes from accross the revolving stage of other punters in their cubicles, which i immeditely found amusing and was wondering what was going through 'l' mind anyways my $5r had ran out and in this time i remmebered there was more to miami than this. but coincidently after out miami experience i asked 'l' if he realsied everyone could see us sitting there, he was like yeah this brazilian guy opposite was sticking his tounge out licking the window as the girl passed sticking her bunda out and which was a comedy moment said he thought this was normal practise and procceded to do the same, with full visual demonstation, which then and now still brings tears of laughter
anyways i come out give his cubicle a knock and were back looking at the 15 girls with numbers on them, i guess looking confused about the setup of this the 'designated cum cleaner' offered assistance, and surprisingly spoke ok english and was rather helpful. so the just was there is bigger private cubicles to the right of the circular ones. back to discussing out numbers ie chosen garota. none appeared to be oil paintings but as it turns out the camera used must be an original 1920s number. to add to the bizarreness of the place one which caught my eye was marked with out a number and said receptionist, this was another comedy moment requesting the receptionist to the 'designated cum cleaner' wingman 'l' went for a masked garota (which would have been my choice as at least was a but of chance to the table.
so were shown to our cubicles and the 'designated cum cleaner' ever so helpful sorts the girls for us and proceeds to put my tokens in (which are a pain in the ass to get in) so i'm in this large cubicle, sitting on the wooden stool, looking at the large pane of glass in front of me, wondering what the fu*k was away to happen i notice at the very top of glass theres like a 7" gap (i'm 190cm and was well higher than me) so i'm sitting there and the receptionist appears from behind a curtain behind the glass, starts doing a dance, so i'm figuring its just another wank booth but with closer action. then to my surprise the logistics of the open topped pane of glass comes alive when she becons me to stand on the stool and get closer, on doing so i'm concerned my head will go through the roof or this badly made stool from a primary school kid is going to colapse. then the magic of it all happens her hand comes down and unbuttons my shorts and procceds to give me a hand job whilst i'm fingering her pussy and doing the 'horse shoe move' (thumb in ass and first finger in pussy) all this whilst balancing on this uneven stool rocking about (which i now know can be heard outside i'm now wondering where the fu*k i cum then realsied its just all over the glass, so now back to concentrating on cumming and to my horror the light comes on and she litteratly disappears behind her curtain, i'm now standing up dick in hand shorts round my ankles trying to work out how the fu*k to get down of the stool. so realsied i needed more tokens (and fast) goes outside the cabin, clearly everyone knew i had just run out of tokens and clearly i wasnt the first and the cum cleaner knew this who quickly sprang into action and ran over and got me 5 more tokens, again he rapidly get the tokens and puts them in for me, this time i know the process so immedietly up on the stool shorts down, dic* in hand waiting she appears again and straight back to where we left off, this time i definetly was going to cum and cum i did, which was great after the built up experience of the previous 10 minutes, afterwards i felt sorry for the cum cleaner as it was quite a large load all over the window. that was me done so back outside, decided to take a seat after be advised by the cum cleaner that 'l' was still in there. after few minutes i decided i needed a cigarette so went outside and had a one, with all the thoughts of amusement and bizareness that had just happened, on leaning against the wall on a busy high steet on my own i realsied i was getting a few looks so turned round and remembered i was in fact standing outside a sex shop, and not just a discreet back street sex shop. decided to go back upstairs and wait for 'l' each minute was getting longer and longer sitting there watching people going to the cheaper no contact cabins.
eventually 'l' appears with a big smile on his face and we immedietly leave laughing and discussing our time in miami, it turns out the exact same thing had happened to 'l' being caught short with his 5 tokens, so unlike me buying another 5, he without knowing the protocol either bought 20! lol
we walked back towards copa laughing, telling our story, doing actions and movements, and demonstating the likes of the wobbely stools and 'l' tonging the window immitating a brazillian accross in a cabin. and all in all great experience long lasting memorys of high amusement and definetly many a bar story to be told for years to come.
all in all 'only in rio'
great thanks goes out to 'l' it was great conqering miami peep show with you.
Really?
I hope Jackson will let this this post go through.
You make a very good point about a brazilian guy going in a club in the states and pulling an AW. However my point is "Why don't you stay in states if you really know how to pull? "
You want me to tell why?
Because everything your are pulling outside the states is better value then the best thig in the states.
And I am tellig you this as a guy who grew up in easter europe.
I hope ypu will not get mad because of my post. I do respect "each to his own stile"
Happy hunting to everybody
ZAP
Jamaicanceo
04-10-09, 07:50
I rarely post on this board and its usually just to add a comment about non-pro's. I truly believe many guys have no real clue as to how women work/function/operate. They spend so much time focused on P4P, they have difficulty grasping female biology.
Women like sex. Brazilian women really like sex. But more or less, women like sex. The challenge for most women is finding a guy WORTH having sex with i.e. cool, confident, relaxed, alpha, part of a tribe she wants to join or at least visit, etc. Do you guys really think that if a good looking, confident, Brazilian guy with almost zero English went to a night club in the States, he'd have trouble getting a woman home quickly if he knows how to pull? Uhhhh, no. Most of the time women are paying attention to body language, vibe, tone of voice, eye contact, etc. so your words can actually screw things up.
Jamaicaceo knows how, so he pulled. Sperto and others know how, so they pull. Has nothing to do with P4P or GDP. Get better at the game and save your cash.
DRGNThanks DRGN!
Thanks DRGN!
Jamaicanceo,
Your post serves as an inspiration to those of us who would like to meet non-pros. Thanks for the post.
Nice report. Nice girl. Almost looks straight out of Africa. Procrastination and indecision are the thieves of life. You my man had the balls to walk up and start a conversation with her. In return, you were pleasantly rewarded with a fine bunda!
Great find!Jamaicanceo,
It doesn't matter if she was really a GDP or not- the important thing is you had the guts to approach her. I'm still kicking myself after an incident in Centro last October. I was waiting at a bus stop to catch a a bus to Copa- I was headed for L'uomo. I spied a vision of loveliness at the other end of the bus stop and, as I tend to do, sidled over to have a closer look. She was incredibly beautiful and I was smitten. Then to my surprise she asked me the time- there's no way a girl like that would have spoken to me at a bus stop in Oz. So what did our hero do? Told her the time, gave her a cheesy smile and then- nothing. I was still trying to think of something to say when her bus arrived and she took off. And I speak Portuguese! Once at L'uomo I tried to find an antidote. In the form of a statuesque mulata. To the dark depression I was sinking into, but my heart really wasn't in it. Who knows if anything would have come of it, but I've had a few sleepless nights since thinking about what might have been. So Jamaicanceo, more power to you- fortune favours the brave.
Jamaicanceo
04-10-09, 17:18
You could have had a good meal at bibi's on the corner off miguel lemos and ns copacabana. Food comes in less than 10 minutes. (franga is good. 15r each max plus drinks). Few drinks and back for action. I'm off to aprador tonight for a meal, then sex on the rocks at aprador. Goto love outdoor action.Hi Johnny,
I ate breakfast at Bibi's the morning after I arrived in Rio on April 2. It was my first-time there. I like their beef crepe.
Thanks for the recommendation though.
Jamaicanceo
04-10-09, 17:22
Jamaicanceo,
Your post serves as an inspiration to those of us who would like to meet non-pros. Thanks for the post.Ok Cho! But like the ISG veteran say, learing portuguese is the key to getting the girls who don't know english.
Dodger Bulldog
04-10-09, 17:25
From Time Magazine: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1890260,00.html?loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r2:c0.0696486:b23801814&xid=Loomia
Brazilian Obesity: The Big Girl From Ipanema
By Andrew Downie / Sao Paulo / Friday, Apr. 10, 2009
When most people think of Brazilians, they think of Gisele Bundchen...
With thousands of miles of sun-kissed coastline, Brazil is a beach nation, one where people like nothing better than to spend weekends and holidays with a cold one on the sand. But the chances of spotting sun-tanned beauties in tiny bikinis are getting smaller and smaller, according to a government study released this week. Research shows the number of Brazilians suffering from obesity is growing. And the trend towards the fuller figure is most prevalent among women. "Obesity among women had stabilized in previous studies and now there is an expressive increase," says Deborah Malta, the study's coordinator. "That is very worrying."
Some 13% of adults are obese, according to the study, which was carried out last year among 54,000 people for Brazil's Health Ministry. The percentage is 13.6 for women and 12.4 for men. Meanwhile, almost half of all adult males, 47.3%, are considered simply overweight, while 39.5% of females are in the same bracket. Those figures are still low compared to industrialised nations such as the U.S., where more than a third of all adults are considered obese (a condition defined by weight and height). But Malta said the trend was clear and that Brazil is slowly on the same path. In 1975, similar studies showed that only 2.8% of men and 7.8% of women were obese. Just seven years ago, the numbers were 8.8% and 12.7% respectively.
The study, carried out for World Health Day (April 8), covered many health-related topics and threw out some contradictory figures as well. Although Brazilians are getting fatter, they are eating less red meat and more fruit and vegetables, Malta reported. They are smoking less and taking more preventive tests such as mammograms and pap smears. But they are using less sunscreen and drinking more, especially to excess and often when driving.
Nevertheless, in body-conscious Brazil, the nation of Gisele Bundchen, plastic surgery and miniscule bikinis, it was the obesity figures that caused the most anxiety. Any suggestion that the girl from Ipanema is not tall and tan and young and lovely, but could possibly be short and pale and fat and ugly,{emphasis added} can cause a scandal here. When The New York Times reported in 2005 that Brazilians were getting fatter, the correspondent came under attack in the media as a gay, Brazilian-hating heretic.
Indeed, Malta called that earlier report "disrespectful" and preferred to emphasize that Brazilians are relatively slim compared to their counterparts in the West. "I think Brazilians are still worried about their bodies; when we compare ourselves to the rest of the world we are still much thinner," she told TIME. "And remember, this is not just Brazilians that are getting fatter, this is a worldwide phenomenon."
Independent experts, however, cautioned against such nationalistic one-upmanship. Already one in four hospital beds are taken up by people suffering from weight-related ailments such as heart attacks, back surgeries and hip and joint replacements, says Luiz Vicente Berti, president of the Brazilian Society of Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery. Unless preventive action is taken to educate people, he warns, Brazil faces a sick and expensive future. "If we don't teach people how to eat properly and exercise, then in 10 years no one will have the money to pay the hospital bills that will arise," Berti says, adding that the number of stomach reduction surgeries carried out in Brazil had risen by 500%. "The U.S. can't solve its problem and it is the biggest economy in the world."
Jamaicanceo
04-10-09, 17:26
Nice report. Nice girl. Almost looks straight out of Africa. Procrastination and indicision are the thieves of life. You my man had the balls to walk up and start a conversation with her. In return, you were pleasently rewarded with a fine bunda!
Great find!I think in most cases, if you make eye contact with any woman who likes a flirter like me, she will wonder and anticipate your next move. A closed mouth doesn't get feed, as the saing goes.
Brazilian Obesity:...
Some 13% of adults are obese, according to the study, which was carried out last year among 54,000 people for Brazil's Health Ministry....
Luckily they don't get close to the US statistic.
US: 30.6% of Americans are obese, 63% of Americans are overweighted with a Body Mass Index in excess of 25.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/51585.php
http://www.americansportsdata.com/obesitystats.asp
I would rather choose to f**k an overweighted brazilian woman with a round bunda than an overweighted american or european woman with a giant flat ass.
Anyway, there are plenty enough of slim girls so I don't worry about the fat ones.
Sidenote: As being European I got chocked, when I visited the US, by the great number of incredible fat people. The only place in the US where I saw plenty of good-looking girls were in Miami. They were all latinas.
Jamaicanceo
04-10-09, 18:37
When I went to the gym in Rio last week, I noticed fit looking women. When I went to the gym in Los Angeles yesterday, I noticed many folks fat, over-weight, and chunky women.
I am usually careful believeing what I read over what I see.
Eric Cartman
04-10-09, 21:19
Has anyone been to Rio Antigo recently? Are they still open? I have always been curious of this place, it is on Rua Joaquim Silva, 2.
I'd like to get an update on Rio Antigo, as well. I went there a few years ago with Bubba right after their remodel, and the place was really nice -- even though there were only a handful of hotties. I don't see anything written about them recently.
Also, man there seems to be a lot of hate for Copa termas lately ... 4-5 years ago I had a great time at Monte Carlo, Luomo ... but what I'm seeing written here lately is making me wonder what's up.
I liked 4x4 but boy was it crowded and full of brazilian bunda-types when I was there.
Have things really gone downhill so much in Copa? Got an upcoming visit in May and was really looking forward to it.
I've always tried to give accurate, good reports (look at my post history), so PM me if you have any more recent news you think is useful.
Cheers,
Cartman
Gents,
In typical fashion, the scheduling gods have once "rained" on the parade. I may only wind up with 2 days and 1 night, in Rio. One thing I haven't seen much talk about recently is if there is still action on the beach?
On occasion I have had good luck finding a "nooner" on the beach that turned into an all nighter.
I know it is the wrong board, but if anybody has any info about Campinas. please let me know.
This may turn out to be my last opportuntiy to visit Help, before it closes, so Monday night is planned, but looking for something to do during the day and early evening.
Thanks,
Sky
Jamaicanceo
04-11-09, 05:18
On Thursday, March 26, 2009, I discovered terma 502. On our way to 4 x 4, my mentor, because he introduced me to Brazil in March 2008 and we bumped into each in Copa thi trip, ended up in 502 by accident. As we approached 4 x 4, I noticed some serious bunda in in front of the location with a guy on a chair as if her was security or a doorman of some VIP party. I went over to investigate and discovered a "bunda house". We went up stairs and ended up in the bar with some serious big ass bunda. No pun intended. My buddy found sone fun in a dark corner, and I end ed up sessioning with Andrea. Man, she had an ass like a Clydesdale horse in a Budweiser commercial. And she was perfect because I was determined not to go for the dark skinned big ass garotas.
She said she is from Paulista, Brazil, and she was half Brazilian and half Italian. And she had an ass like an Italian stallion, meaning it's ass fucking time. And she ws very entusiastic. She put some Ben-gay heat stuff on my dick and proceeded withh BBBj. !0 minutes later, she filled her mouth with hedgy bull and ice and gave me a heat and cold BBBJ treatment. The she put a Hall's menthol cough drop into her mouth which enhanced the BBBJ to another level. All together she gave me a 4 level BBBJ.
Then I wasted no time for the culo. She took it in her anal cacity like a champ. When I approached climax, I pulled out of her ass she turned her bg ass around took my rubber jimmy off began BBBJ, as I grabbed her head with both hands and blasted loads of cum in her mouth. I began having a brain freeze because she continued sucking and tickling y nut sack at the same time. After, she gave me her phone number, and I was impressed when she said she is 37 years old. After I showered dressed and found my wingman for our flight back to Copa via one of my favorite places, the metro. There I met my chocolate garota from m earlier post, that I banged on Saturday.
I like 502 a lot. But everyone wanted a tip. From the cashier to the doorman in front.
See 502 pictures attached.
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Dodger Bulldog
04-11-09, 05:38
Sidenote: As being European I got chocked, when I visited the US, by the great number of incredible fat people. The only place in the US where I saw plenty of good-looking girls were in Miami. They were all latinas.Don't get me wrong guys, I am certainly no promoter of the women in the U.S. - not over Brazil or any other place.
Nor do I know anyone who has ever stepped outside the country who is. I find it quite bizarre that the U. S. would be anyone's country of choice to compare other women against.
To monger in Rio was truly a lifelong dream for me. However, I came away disappointed by the looks and size of many of the garotas. Maybe from everything I had read my expectations had grown too high.
Of course, there are beautiful, sexy woman to be found in any corner of the world. It's just that the consistency of quality in Rio was far less than I had been led to believe.
So I found it interesting that this phenomena was also noticed and commented on by the mainstream media.
I am glad that Jamaicanceo was thrilled by his girl in the post right below this one. She is a perfect example of the protoype garota that I saw quite frequently in Rio, and one who I would not personally find to be appealing. She appears to be the complete antithesis of "tall and slender and young and tan..." Well, maybe tan.
To each his own.
It is a very good thing that we don't all desire the same type of woman. Viva diversity!
DB
Ok Cho! But like the ISG veteran say, learing portuguese is the key to getting the girls who don't know english.
Preaching to the Choir! :)
Of course, there are beautiful, sexy woman to be found in any corner of the world. It's just that the consistency of quality in Rio was far less than I had been led to believe.
Can't agree more.
Even in the cosmopolitan bowels of Rio, every hot woman comes associated with 10 fat and ugly others. Go in any favela, in Zona Norte or in Baixada Fluminense, and this number pass to 1 to 50. The myth of Brasil being a sexually uninhibited paradise populated with top-level exotic beauties is totally over-rated (as many other mythes concerning Brasil BTW, but you have to accept to scratch beyond the surface to know it).
As you correctly stated, and as it's permanently refuted by the daydreamers and blind mongers a la Sperto who see this country through rose tinted lenses and live in recurrent denial of the realities, the density or ratio of short and fat -and black - women in Rio is very very high. It's a pure fact.
There are places on this planet where it's difficult to make 10 meters without bumping into a tall and thin top beauty (FSU comes first to mind, and especially Uzbekistan which is my personal new favorite place), but it's definitely NOT the case of Rio, not the case of Nordeste, and not the case of Amazonas.
Nonetheless I must admit that a State as Goias has a pretty high density of hot white meninas. Few mongers go to Goiania though.
Go in favelas, in Zona Norte or in Baixa Fluminense, and this number pass to 1 to 50... most women in Rio are in the short and fat range.
Yes, it's really an awful sight! I can hardly stand it.
:D :D :D :D :D
Yes, it's really an awful sight! I can hardly stand it.
:D :D :D :D :D
Well, everything is a question of standarts.
As your favorite mongering places are obviously (you won't deny that I guess) low-end nasty mass-prostitution joints with their disgusting waste baskets full of cum-soaked tissues and used condoms next to the beds and their 20 reals animal-faced nightmare black hoes who each day take dozens of filthy favelado mongers blow loads of fetid splooge in their gaping pie holes, I easily imagine that yours are not that high.
Well, everything is a question of standarts.
As your favorite mongering places are obviously (you won't deny that I guess) low-end nasty mass-prostitution joints...
Yes Prosal, for once you hit the nail on the head.
When I visit those joints I'm as happy as a pig in the mud. :)
BTW, I've posted photos of my, what you classify as, "20 reals animal-faced nightmare black hoes".
I'm sure we all would be happy to see a photo contribution of your girls, showing your high standarts. ;)
When I visit those joints I'm as happy as a pig in the mud. :)
Why am I not surprised ?
Anyhow "in the splooge" would be more accurate.
Firstly I'm always a bit dubious of strip club type boites. The old Soho storys of the girls 'drinks' hefty doormen emptying your credit cards etc etc.
But I feel Casablanca (located on street around the corner from Rio International 'Porto Bay' Hotel 5 mins from Balcony) is worthy of a good review
A friend had advised me it was newly opened begining of April, an Italian guy owns it and has spent a shit load of money doing it up, I decided to check it out on my own as the balcony gangster chics had finally pissed me off for that day! Around 11:30 or so I went round on approaching door man came up (pleasent) explained was a card system for drinks, free entry (maybe as new) so basically asked if I bought my one beer and left I'm charged one beer, he agreed that was the deal.
Went in, maybe because I heard he was italian the owner (elderly gent) but was instantly apparant in the italian decor, italian marble and lighting etc all very nice. Ordered a Heneikan Bottle (10R) then some bizarre music starts, so this is the start of the strip show, but with a witches theme, all wizard of oz stuff, blowing wind music stuff. Grabbed a seat at the bar, (nice bouncy gas stools) watched the show, which was great. Was highly impressed, so on with the girls. Couple approached me and a little chat (all english speaking) All the girls friendly and nice looking, no gansta chics at all, no ink girls, all young pleasent girls. This cute quite big natural breasted chica was giving me the eyes so got chatting, got a feel of her bare breasts and a SF (smelly finger) in discreet fashion but she was up for it as much as I was.
Talked money in jokey way and was surpirsed to know they had inhouse cabins! And even more surprised at the price $R150 (or $R300 at my hotel all night) opted for the $R150 it was still early about 12:15pm. Went to the cabin, highly impressed all brand new immaculate cabin. Had a great fuk, Only thing didn't really discuss how long the $R150 was for, but either 40mins or an 1hr would have been what it was, but I knew before hand I was just having a quickie as planning Helpe that night, great BBBJ, smile or her face from moment I met her until I left, just great little bit of fun, in great nice friendly boite, I spoke with the Italian owner who was very friendly he basically told me it was new, and anything I liked or didn't like about his place, please please tell me. I couldn't fault it, I explained the place looked great, the cabins were great and the prices were good.
I think with popularity maybe prices might grow or entry fee anyways, ok the $R10 for a beer is not the cheapest but it was henekin importo so big deal a couple of Reias extra than a skol in balcony ($R6)
My total bill for a good 8\10 girl in cabin maybe around 40 mins I was in and 2 beers $R170, nice relaxed vibe and good effery put into the shows as well. Around 12-14 girls working all in 7 or 8\10.
I had seen Erotika many times before but had never been in, a hottie I fucked a few times I met in barbarellas said she now works there and was a lot better that barbys, ie staff, prices for drinks, girls etc etc
I had planned going on last visit in January after we arranged by email, but (got caught up So it was a Friday night, been to monte carlos earleir left about 9pm relaxed had shower, headed down to Erotika, wasnt sure what the set up was, arrived around 12:30 the place was bouncing, instantly I forgot it was a place in the similar sentence to Barbarllas, it was playing good high energy dance music people dancing and generally the vibe of a regular club, there were normal guys out on dates, regular guys picking up regular girls, but on the side lines were glammed up GDPs and topless chics dancing around the place. Rather bizarre guess reminded me of some of my eastern european adventures
I took a table at the back, got topped up on my cubas and just tried to work out WTF was going on and the setup, got speaking to this girl, she was nice enough but wasnt commiting at this stage as was many many hot chics around, slipped away and headed to the bar, got speaking to this girl, nice enough looking but clearly a vetern and then she introduced me to her 2 young hot girls who clearly look up to her, (which I liked) Veteran maybe 32\33yrd.
Anyways having great time, happy drunk, playing around, kissing all 3 girls then a spot of 3 way kissing with the veteran and the hottest of the 2 young ones, all having great time, so Amateur sounding or not I had pulled and was a case of get your jackets ladys you have pulled
Of we went, my bill was $R172 no idea what it consited of but I did check at the time and was happy, I bought a few rounds and had several Cuba libres myself so £50 or something for few hours fun and entry! Thats a round or so in UK!
Back to my apart\hotel, kissing, groping on way home, (I live close) we gets back, gets in the door, my mate (who I forgot about about) was lying on the sofa in the living room, the girls asked who it was I just casually without thinking or anything said 'security' procceded to my bedroom, kitted out with super kingsize (a request I like, as I like duplas) then the veteran says I agreed $R200 each girl, which I hadnt, but she didn't say it in anyway bad, just part of our fun, anyways. Stupid as it may sound but money, GDPs and paying was far from my thoughts but I quickly realsied I was in Rio and infact they were GDPs but I wasnt gonna let 10 seconds and a split desicion of getting annoyed ruin 3hrs of previous fun so I just said you can have $R100 each and sort of said the veteran can go, looking back it was all too simple she just kissed with tounges and left her number and wished me and her friend have a good time, so she left, we got down to business (can't recoll any perfomances) but was just a drunken one night stand type of deal.
Anyways, I woke up in the morning, wondered where the fuk I was, realised my room, had instant flash backs of the girls, then had another instant flashback of me doing 2x$R600 withdrawls earlier on before going in! Don't know why 2 withdrawls but I guess I figured the $R600 wasnt going to be enough ($R600 max from pharmacy banco, useful tip) anyways looks for my jeans containing wallet not in my room goes to living room and sees them beside my mate still crashed out on sofa.
He said the girl had just woken him up holding my jeans, and saying I was crashed out but agreed to pay her $R200 (maybe I did but don't recoll it) I had already given her $R100. But bizarely becuase I had casually said security coming in, she went through with the jean containing about $R900 in them, so my mate gave her the $R200 and off she went, clearly any GDP worth her salt would have whipped the wallet and anything else I had stupidly left out! (yes it was amateur move) But as it turned out good, I was still quids in as had $R700 in my wallet had a good [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) up and good fun, and seemingly my mate got a good vocal display, (she was a bit of a screamer)
End result great night down Boite 'Erokita, Prado Junior
Please note this mix of regular people and GDPs and tits out on dance floor and public sex displays are on Fri and Sat only, other nights are different with strip shows and sex shows, but all GDPs. I'll maybe do seperate report on the Monday night I went.
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Jamaicanceo
04-11-09, 17:23
Don't get me wrong guys, I am certainly no promoter of the women in the U.S. - not over Brazil or any other place.
Nor do I know anyone who has ever stepped outside the country who is. I find it quite bizarre that the U. S. would be anyone's country of choice to compare other women against.
To monger in Rio was truly a lifelong dream for me. However, I came away disappointed by the looks and size of many of the garotas. Maybe from everything I had read my expectations had grown too high.
Of course, there are beautiful, sexy woman to be found in any corner of the world. It's just that the consistency of quality in Rio was far less than I had been led to believe.
So I found it interesting that this phenomena was also noticed and commented on by the mainstream media.
I am glad that Jamaicanceo was thrilled by his girl in the post right below this one. She is a perfect example of the protoype garota that I saw quite frequently in Rio, and one who I would not personally find to be appealing. She appears to be the complete antithesis of "tall and slender and young and tan..." Well, maybe tan.
To each his own.
It is a very good thing that we don't all desire the same type of woman. Viva diversity!
DBHey Dodger,
The 502 girl in my post below was what my dick wanted at that moment. The prototype for me on an everyday bases is tall and slender.
I've met that garota, and she is not find, fuck and forget material. The girl that I am happy to treat better than monger meat is 25 yrs old, speaks english, 5'11", with model, arms, legs, and feet. And she has her own house, though it's small. She calls me and I her. And she is a feak who you can't find on Copa, because she doesn't like Copa, and says she's brown enough not to need to much Sun, in which I agree. She is dark brown all around.
So don't mistake my fucking conquest versus my romantics. I'm a monger, 50, no kids, and never married. I'm ready to settle down and have kids, and I will do it in Brazil. But what I find, fuck, and forget as a monger, I share with my fellow mongers.
So those who like to ass fuck big ass garotas like the one in the post below, you know her name and where to find her.
Jamaicanceo
04-11-09, 17:28
Can't agree more.
Even in the cosmopolitan bowels of Rio, every hot woman comes associated with 10 fat and ugly others. Go in any favela, in Zona Norte or in Baixada Fluminense, and this number pass to 1 to 50. The myth of Brasil being a sexually uninhibited paradise populated with top-level exotic beauties is totally over-rated (as many other mythes concerning Brasil BTW, but you have to accept to scratch beyond the surface to know it).
As you correctly stated, and as it's permanently refuted by the daydreamers and blind mongers a la Sperto who see this country through rose tinted lenses and live in recurrent denial of the realities, the density or ratio of short and fat -and black - women in Rio is very very high. It's a pure fact.
There are places on this planet where it's difficult to make 10 meters without bumping into a tall and thin top beauty (FSU comes first to mind, and especially Uzbekistan which is my personal new favorite place), but it's definitely NOT the case of Rio, not the case of Nordeste, and not the case of Amazonas.
Nonetheless I must admit that a State as Goias has a pretty high density of hot white meninas. Few mongers go to Goiania though.Do you go to Brazil to conduct a statistical study on ratios big and small, ugly or not? Of course there are always more imperctions than perfection. That's why diamonds are so expensive. The perfect stone brings value, and it decreases to no value. Many of us mongers in Brazil look for the beauty and perfections, not the flaws.
Previously had never been, caught a Txi from Princesa Isabel around 2:15pm got to 4x4 Beunos Aires street in Centro around, 2:40pm. Drive asked if going to 4x4 said no, as he will get $10R or maybe even $20R which will inevibly be padded to my bill at the end. 4x4 address is 44 Beunos Aires Street. Small narrow street, easy to find 4x4 if you just off anywhere on steet, but its in about the middle of the steet. (taxi was $R20)
Theres a bar downstairs which I didn't go in, and termas upstairs, theres the desk and a lot of girls floating around but was in no mood to chat to any until I got my bearings of the place, I still don't know all the doors as their all very similar looking, but gets to the locker area. I remembered in a previous post an ISG member found the older lady in the locker rooms very nice and always tips her, I also found her nice and as it happens $R5 was all I had so tipped her the $R5 which she was greatfully happy with, so I guess tipping her is a rarety, after all if anything she is providing a service, and if you require larger robe or flip flops she would be more than happy to sort out for you. So a small tip is nice gesture.
In changing rooms 4 big coloured Americans are getting changed, no portuguese the old lady was trying to help them get flip flops, but they were all insistant they would wear their own NIKE or whatever multi coloured ones they 'thought' were cool! So that was that but the next insitant was ridiculas, they all put on flat cap type hats back to front on!
So I let them into Boite before me so I could choose not to sit near them as it kinda pissed me off and not what I'm used to in my favourite termas (jocky club, area) So finds a seat but amongst the maybe 50-80 girls I was a little distracted at the 4 big guys in black flips and bizarre back to front flat caps! Anyways they were attracting attention for the wrong reasons and I was attracting attentions for right reasons, qucikly relaxed when I seen other girls pointing and sniggering at them trying to own the place hehe. IMO I got possibly the two hottest girls doing a bit of competing around my table, decided to do a dual screening process so bought few drinks, had a laugh and just simply couldn't decide, so finally asked them if they liked eachother (I'm in the middle, chic eachside) they clearly new eachother but dunno how well, they smiled and said yes, asked them to prove it LOL. They smiled and leaned between me and started kissing, which I then joined in also. OK problem of choice making solved, fuk it I'm having a Dupla! Was watching my flat cap friends having ZERO luck, tapping up girls, girls walking away. Fuk it was great! So decided to finish drinks, then do a longer route to the cabin past their MEN only area LOL chic on each side, three faces smiling, three faces clearly all in great spirits away to have a fuk fest dupla! Decided was little low on energy after my 12hr session in Nosso previous night but I was on form no getting away from that! So figured I was in for the girl on girl fun and playing around with only a 1 pop finale. Fun it was! Light brown skinned chic one darker name bebe or something and luciane I think, I meet so much I always forget names. Great 3 way fun, 6 holes covered in short bursts. Finished getting double head CIM both of them got a bit.
Kissed them good by gave them a muito obrgado and a big smile, which was replied with nau nau muito obrigado you. So all 3 partys to the tansaction overly happy, another great experience! Went back to the boite, checked my Phone had couple of waters, found my cap wearing friends still without chicks, it was like old saying 'you couldn't get pissed in a brewery' well they couldn't get fucked in a ***** house! But each to their own. I do things my way and happy to wear the chosen termas uniform 'like EVERYONE else'
I'm now thinking over my plans its maybe 7pm, decides to head back to copa to aprtment. On way back decides to call my Nosso Garota from Lastnight, ended up arranging to meet her, but when I got back to hotel had unplanned siesta which resulted in me being 45mins late LOL Carioca or wot! Anyways, she waiting for me, we just carried on with the GFE, BFE from night before, upgraded room to $R69 in Nosso Motel, we ordered Americano Sandwich which was ham\eggs which was great at the time and what I needed. Had a jaquzzi payed around relaxed a bit then felt back to a reasonable permormance level to complete the next 10 hrs I had left before check out!
Overall 4x4 cost me $R480 this was for dupla for 1 hr, got it just before 5pm so enterance $R40 waived, dunno if it was $R200 for each girl or if cabin only pay once but considered it cheap as was in for 3 or 4 hrs and had several drinks. As reported it is very busy place, I was in robe and in club before 3pm and it was BUSY! So couldn't recommend going later as it was busy then. But also I generally prefer going in first getting the girls fresh and full of energy, so my usual termas opens 3pm in Gavea so would catch taxi from copa at 3 pm so in for first rounds. And enjoy the quieter vibe and selection process and as my fav termas not on general tourist beat, being a gringo and being early always get top treatment and my usual seats, and pick of girls. Just my thoughts on it.
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JohnnyBraz
04-11-09, 23:31
For anyone on the ground in Rio today, they would have noticed that in the afternoon waves from the beach were covering all off the sand in places along copa, ipenema and especially aparador. Was in mp earlier. Same shit. But there seems to be a few more gdps out for the easter weekend.
Firstly I'm always a bit dubious of strip club type boites. The old Soho storys of the girls 'drinks' hefty doormen emptying your credit cards etc etc.
But I feel Casablanca (located on street around the corner from Rio International 'Porto Bay' Hotel 5 mins from Balcony) is worthy of a good review
A friend had advised me it was newly opened begining of April, an Italian guy owns it and has spent a shit load of money doing it up, I decided to check it out on my own as the balcony gangster chics had finally pissed me off for that day! Around 11:30 or so I went round on approaching door man came up (pleasent) explained was a card system for drinks, free entry (maybe as new) so basically asked if I bought my one beer and left I'm charged one beer, he agreed that was the deal.
Went in, maybe because I heard he was italian the owner (elderly gent) but was instantly apparant in the italian decor, italian marble and lighting etc all very nice. Ordered a Heneikan Bottle (10R) then some bizarre music starts, so this is the start of the strip show, but with a witches theme, all wizard of oz stuff, blowing wind music stuff. Grabbed a seat at the bar, (nice bouncy gas stools) watched the show, which was great. Was highly impressed, so on with the girls. Couple approached me and a little chat (all english speaking) All the girls friendly and nice looking, no gansta chics at all, no ink girls, all young pleasent girls. This cute quite big natural breasted chica was giving me the eyes so got chatting, got a feel of her bare breasts and a SF (smelly finger) in discreet fashion but she was up for it as much as I was.
Talked money in jokey way and was surpirsed to know they had inhouse cabins! And even more surprised at the price $R150 (or $R300 at my hotel all night) opted for the $R150 it was still early about 12:15pm. Went to the cabin, highly impressed all brand new immaculate cabin. Had a great fuk, Only thing didn't really discuss how long the $R150 was for, but either 40mins or an 1hr would have been what it was, but I knew before hand I was just having a quickie as planning Helpe that night, great BBBJ, smile or her face from moment I met her until I left, just great little bit of fun, in great nice friendly boite, I spoke with the Italian owner who was very friendly he basically told me it was new, and anything I liked or didn't like about his place, please please tell me. I couldn't fault it, I explained the place looked great, the cabins were great and the prices were good.
I think with popularity maybe prices might grow or entry fee anyways, ok the $R10 for a beer is not the cheapest but it was henekin importo so big deal a couple of Reias extra than a skol in balcony ($R6)
My total bill for a good 8\10 girl in cabin maybe around 40 mins I was in and 2 beers $R170, nice relaxed vibe and good effery put into the shows as well. Around 12-14 girls working all in 7 or 8\10.Apologies location of the Boite wasnt described as best as possible, Casablanca is located on the short road connecting Av Atlantica and NS Copa, Rua Duvivier..The Big Red\Black Hotel Porto Bay on the corner just down from Balcony bar.
Devilspinkick
04-12-09, 20:55
Yes, yes, Americans are fat slobs. This is hardly news.
Anyway ...... has anyone had experience with the escort agencies VIP RJ?
www.viprj.com.br
There seems to be some smoking hot women available from that company. Bet the price per hour is 350 Reais and then some.
I might have to check out this Boite Erotica when I get to Rio next week if I have time to spare. Never been too impressed with the clubs/shows in that area in the past but I'm sure there are hidden gems I haven't stumbled upon.
- DSK
Have you lost you mind??!!
Have you lost you mind? ! The girls from VIP rj are top end girls, most have modelling history in household name magazines and playboy for example, Their prices are around $R300-$R350 per hour, but not clock watchers in my experience. So to fuck a playboy pin up for $R350 is not loosing your mind IMO. I personally prefer to fuk the creme de la creme of Rio or bond girls if you like. I also enjoy mixing it up I also from time to time enjoy mixing it up in fle infested cabins and taking care of my seedier side. But in principle the oppertunity to spend an hour or two with a playboy pin up for a few hundred reias is not loosing your mind.
Last week I had Sandy from VIPRJ was $R300 plus $R30 taxi for 1hr 20 mins to my apart, very hot blondie girl, young and up for the fun, spoke decent English and a very professional service. Professional in way slightly mechanical (but not tooo much) She did know she was hot but after all she is a professional model, but the oppertunity to add them to my list was well woth it IMO.
Yes, yes, Americans are fat slobs. This is hardly news.
Anyway ...... has anyone had experience with the escort agencies VIP RJ?
www.viprj.com.br
There seems to be some smoking hot women available from that company. Bet the price per hour is 350 Reais and then some.
- DSK
It's a bait and switch site. The girls in the photos are all internet models. They will not be the same women who show up at your door.
It's a bait and switch site. The girls in the photos are all internet models. They will not be the same women who show up at your door.Yes in agreement theres a lot of bait and switch, in agreement a lot of these photos are different girls on some sites. But not all and not all girls are going to look the same in flesh as photos even if it is same girl, photos are un-natural and taken in the best light. But on the same note, I have found the girls can actually look better than their glammed\professionally done photos, For instance the VIPRJ site is very professional and must cost lot of money to create and maintain, if they had an overall reputation for being purley bait and switch I would expect much negative reviews but personally found this to be high end professional girls.
If some stinker turned up for $R400 after selecting her from a site like VIPRJ I would simply shut the door.
I would easy take pot luck from for instance from Karla Models but definetly not VIPRJ. If paying top dollar I expect top dollar and no bait and switch.
I have had bait and switch but was actually happy with the 'switch' I firstly said the the 'switch' I was happy but questioned the switch, she basically said she shares a flat with my chosen one and she was busy and she took the call, but she was saying they were very similar in looks and equally hot.
Karla Models I've found is young free lancers starting off, often new to the game and not experienced I would say generally 18-22yrds almost none speak English, but the smile and eyes and look of appriciation always improves your experience (in this and any other situation)
But you can't go wrong with Karla Models, price standard $R120 for 2 hrs. The have a renowned reputation (I believe) that they are not bait and switch as no real point they don't show faces but good body shots. Tits and pussesta
A tip I find useful for escorts if your non or small portuguese simply sms your address & first Name and 30 mins or 1hr? , Sim or nao? If its on she will reply asking room number, if hotel she will prob call your hotel room and simply confirm your in and the correct guy. Saves any lengthly conversations and confusions. All Escorts will want Taxi money but generally will be $R20 Zona Sul or $R30 or $R40 if coming from Centro or Tijuca etc, this is for both ways. Don't SMS a lot at once give 10mins or so for a reply, last thing you want a load of Escorts arriving (I did before, unfortunetly when second arrived they wasnt up for a dupla was already in 40 mins with first one to arrive, gave the second $5R and told her to wait at sucos bar on corner and would see her in 15-20mins, explained the confusion to her, I said she could take it out of my agreed 2 hrs (she was Karlas) she was happy with this and had no problem as she was going to get paid regardless (admittidly didn't look good I was already on the job, but fuk it, its what they do for a living! ) Finished with first one, had shower, went down met the second at sucos had an Acai, felt good finished off my remaining hour back in hotel! But generally they will definetly do some form of confirmation before coming.
The girls from VIP rj are top end girls, most have modelling history in household name magazines and playboy for example, Their prices are around $R300-$R350 per hour, but not clock watchers in my experience. So to fuck a playboy pin up for $R350 is not loosing your mind IMO. I personally prefer to fuk the creme de la creme of Rio or bond girls if you like. I also enjoy mixing it up I also from time to time enjoy mixing it up in fle infested cabins and taking care of my seedier side. But in principle the oppertunity to spend an hour or two with a playboy pin up for a few hundred reias is not loosing your mind.
Last week I had Sandy from VIPRJ was $R300 plus $R30 taxi for 1hr 20 mins to my apart, very hot blondie girl, young and up for the fun, spoke decent English and a very professional service. Professional in way slightly mechanical (but not tooo much) She did know she was hot but after all she is a professional model, but the oppertunity to add them to my list was well woth it IMO.
I think I will take my chances and hang out in the mud with Sperto. The girl he posted in the link below is outstanding:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=112672
Check out this one, if you love the bunda!
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=112674
R$20-40, I am sold!
RR
Fellow mongers, I am requesting some advice. I was wondering if anyone can give me directions, locations to Vila memosa and to the termas in Centro? I will be in Brazil for 22 days and I promise to post many pictures and give a detailed reports of my experience. I will also be going to the usual Help, Balcony and to the termas: Luomos, 4x4 etc. Again, I promise to take lots of pictures and let you know the low down. Please help me brake my usual pattern of hanging in copacabana.
Thanks,
Shoesky
If Karla models is 120 reals for 2 hours, how much does the agency get out of that. if its half, that doesnt leave much for the girls. they cant be that attractive, if they are banging for 60 reals. the bottom line on bait and switch is as long as the girl is as hot as the one you asked for than its ok.
Jamaicanceo
04-13-09, 05:20
Since, we are on the subject of obesity, why are black women so obese. I walk around and its amazing how little they care about how they look. The worst part is they have a nasty attitude and horrible personality. Usually, ugly women would try to make up for it by having a good personality. Not black women. Their personalities match their looks. Can any black men on the board explain this to us. I always see black guys hitting on white women at the clubs. Do you find white girls more attractive or is that black women are now so unattractive. For every michelle obama, there are 10 missy elliots.I can't think of any pretty white female celebrity I think is attractive. Let's try, for every Hillary Clinton there are 10 Roseann "Rosie" O'Donnells. So Brazilman, do you only hit on the fat ulgy Blackwomen with attitudes?
Devilspinkick
04-13-09, 05:30
The garotas of Karla Models are usually good in the cama, but generally average in the looks department. If the women of VIP RJ look anything like the ones on their website I will gladly pay R$350 for the experience. Might even try to arrange a saruba (ie., menage a trois). You only live once.
I often get so caught up with touring the Termas that I don't get the chance to do any "outcall" ..... we'll see. Can't wait to visit L'uomo again. Left some opportunities on the table last time I was there.
- DSK
Sperto; here you can learn how to sound like the real pig you are.
Thank you, I loved the pictures!
The girl he posted in the link below is outstanding:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=112672
Check out this one, if you love the bunda!
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=112674
RR
RR, some directions on how to find these two girls:
* The first girl I remember very well. Gisela. She works on R Buenos Aires 85, the 5:th floor, the top floor. I came to BA around 10 AM, very early. I couldn't find anyone that really interested me. I was chatting with Bom Bom on the 2:nd floor. Suddenly Gisela passed by in the windling stairs, arriving to work together with her buddies. I rushed up the narrow stairs so I would see where she went. She was gone! I don't give up easily so I decided to do a search on the 5:th floor which had not opened yet.
I let myself in and went to the changing rooms. I entered and found all the ladies changing clothes. They were surprised and happy to have a visitor in the back area. :) Gisela was taking a shower. I told her she didn't need to dress as I wanted a session right away. She was delighted to have business even before they officially opened.
First customer, fresh girl (25 years) and even clean sheets in the cabin. R$ 20/20 minutes.
* The second girl I met at VM, Jaqueline. I had just done some CD-shopping at Feira de Sao Cristovao and decided to take a walk down to VM to see how the talents looked at 2 PM. It's very early to go to VM, but I needed to be back home before my ordinary GF finished her work.
There is always some nice girls at VM. Sometimes it takes 3 minutes to find one and sometimes it takes 1 hour. Finally I met Jaqueline in the quiosque watching TV with her friend.
Her casa is quite easy to find. The U-alley. Right entrance. First casa on the left side (with outdoor tables). Jaqueline is excellent. 23 years, big smile, great session, completa, rock-hard round ass but small soft tits (btw her buceta is pierced). R$ 26.
If Karla models is 120 reals for 2 hours, how much does the agency get out of that. if its half, that doesnt leave much for the girls. they cant be that attractive, if they are banging for 60 reals. the bottom line on bait and switch is as long as the girl is as hot as the one you asked for than its ok.I think that these girls supplement their rate by the "Taxi" money. Most of them take the bus to their destination and pocket the taxi money, so they try to maximize this, saying they live in Tijuca or some place with a hefty taxi ride.
Beach Star
04-13-09, 21:50
I think that these girls supplement their rate by the "Taxi" money. Most of them take the bus to their destination and pocket the taxi money, so they try to maximize this, saying they live in Tijuca or some place with a hefty taxi ride.I think the first ten programs each week go to the house to cover advertising costs after that they get 50pct of each program.
JohnnyBraz
04-13-09, 22:42
Anyone in Rio will notice that the last few days there has been very little beach action. Big waves have closed most off the beach down. The water even went onto the road a little bit out the front off Othon Palace.
They don't get paid for the first 10 PER WEEK! Are you kidding me. Sounds like slavery to me. How many guys are they doing a week if they eat the first 10. I hate to see people get exploited like that. Why don't they just work at the termas or help at a discount. As for the obese black women comment. I guess what I was trying to say is most obese black women have a nasty attitude compared to obese white women. I have met many more fat white girls, who had great personalities, and thought, if she only lost weight, she would be so cool to go out with. I rarely think that with fat black women. They seem to go out of their way to be rude and want to blame men for their obesity. Am I wrong here. That seems to be my experience. It seems that black men feel the same way, since they go after white women alot now. I don't think there are enough fit black women to go around.
Will the Balcony become the poor mans help when they close. I never thought balcony was any good, but I'm thinking hot help girls will start going there instead. Where else are they going to go. I am used to going to help after the termas close. If you can't close a terma girl after work, where do I go. Anyone have any ideas. I don't like the clip joints like Barbarella.
If Karla models is 120 reals for 2 hours, how much does the agency get out of that. if its half, that doesnt leave much for the girls. they cant be that attractive, if they are banging for 60 reals. the bottom line on bait and switch is as long as the girl is as hot as the one you asked for than its ok.
If I remember correctly, the girls have to pay the "House" in order to live and work there. For those that don't know most of the girls live on site during the week. I can't recall what the amount was, it might have been between 200 and 400 reais. So before the girl the girls start to earn they need to make their minimum.
If I remember correctly, the girls have to pay the "House" in order to live and work there. For those that don't know most of the girls live on site during the week. I can't recall what the amount was, it might have been between 200 and 400 reais. So before the girl the girls start to earn they need to make their minimum.
Damn!! Is that right?!! No wonder there is always such a high turnover at KM!!
I think that these girls supplement their rate by the "Taxi" money. Most of them take the bus to their destination and pocket the taxi money, so they try to maximize this, saying they live in Tijuca or some place with a hefty taxi ride.
Don't know how true that is, on the last day of one of my trips, just a few hours before I needed to leave for the airport, I called KM for company , after about an 1.5 hours. I tell her I'm leaving for the states and she's gotta go. She responds by offering the services of her Taxi guy to take me to the airport.
As for the obese black women comment. I guess what I was trying to say is most obese black women have a nasty attitude compared to obese white women. I have met many more fat white girls, who had great personalities, and thought, if she only lost weight, she would be so cool to go out with. I rarely think that with fat black women. They seem to go out of their way to be rude and want to blame men for their obesity. Am I wrong here. That seems to be my experience. It seems that black men feel the same way, since they go after white women alot now. I don't think there are enough fit black women to go around.
You sure don't know when to quit while you are ahead! LOL!
What is your thing with obese Black women? You seem almost obessed. Are there a large number of obese Black women where you work? Where you live? Do they hit on you? Are many Black men around you complaining to you about obese Black women?
I am assuming you are White. Is that correct? Are you American, European, or from South America? Should I assume you are Brazilian?
You sure don't know when to quit while you are ahead! LOL!
What is your thing with obese Black women? You seem almost obessed. Are there a large number of obese Black women where you work? Where you live? Do they hit on you? Are many Black men around you complaining to you about obese Black women?
I am assuming you are White. Is that correct? Are you American, European, or from South America? Should I assume you are Brazilian?
Brazilman, please reply. I would love to know! OMG, I cannot stop laughing.
i was fortunate enough to be back for my first rio trip for '09 and thought i'd share some of my thoughts regarding the locales and ladies that i experienced.
first off i did visit help! for a little nostalgia, although i've never been a fan. i was traveling with friends, however, who love that place. there was a good crowd on friday; and on sunday it was worse than dead (whatever that is). i thought the quality of gdps inside was about the same as it's been for the last 5 years. it d oes appear that it may actually be closing in mayaccording to the manager i spoke to there and the few i spoke with at ta. definitely would be the end of an epoch and it will be interesting to see how it will be replaced. which it no doubt will.
i did visit termas daily (i continue to love those places), although i was too lazy to go downtown; so my visits were to the tourista 4 (centaurus, l'uomo, monte carlo and solarium).
i will make this disclaimer. i am a long time fan of centaurus (often not a popular position here.) i will also acknowledge that i do squander money both stateside and internationally so my view, neither right nor wrong; just differentthan those of some others here.
that said, i did make it to centaurus several times this trip, and found the talent level there to be outstanding. i was there with 5 guys and there were plenty of 8's and 9's for all of us. in my semi-humble opinion the differnce between c and the other 3 woulb be the difference between an average looks of 8 vs a 6 or 61/2 at the other. for me the additional $40-45 that centaurus costs more than the others (s, mc, l'you) is worth the higher quality. that said clearly there are better bargains to be had as you move towards downtown. 2 of my 3 sessions there were outstanding and the 3rd was only average (my fault for not doing my due diligence). as has been my experience there it was not necessary to pay in advance (just tell them that you want to pay depois), and all that any of us paid was r$400 and not the 420 that i've seen quoted here recently. not sure if my friend and i were given the local rate or not.
i thought that l'uomo was good and had an exceptional session there with a decent looking 24y/o.
sunday at solarium started very slowly. we were going to leave but happily we hung in there until the 6pm shift arrived. it started hopping with the arrival of several super fine loiras who i hadn't seen there before. exceptional session.
monte carlo was the best i've seen it in years. quite a few transferrees from l'uomo. very nice session with a new morena.
one night on a whim went over to barbarella for the first time in probably 5 years. lots of eye candy with some women who truly hav e a bizarrely inflated view of their value. one 5'11" gorgeous model who claims she works as a model in the middle east asked my friend for 500 reals per hour for a minimum of 3 hours. i overheard this and started to laugh uncontrollably. (she didn't seem to appreciate this). needless to say no deal was made. most girls there were starting at 500 per hour but negotiable. i did take out a pretty hot baihiana who happily accepted the 300 i gave her for several hours. total cost 60 for entry including 2 domestic drinks, 60 for the take out, so for a total of 420. a bit high but i'm alway looking for different venues with high caliber gdps.
no doubt my highlight was the two and a half days i spents with a centaurus girl outside of the terma and it included her getting us invited to a party that was the celebration of the ending of a popular novel next door to porcao rio. always a weird experience, however, getting the evil eye from the young brasilieros seeing this young beauty draped all over and old gringo like me.
another great trip and am am already scheming about my next trip.
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Jamaicanceo
04-14-09, 06:18
They don't get paid for the first 10 PER WEEK! Are you kidding me. Sounds like slavery to me. How many guys are they doing a week if they eat the first 10. I hate to see people get exploited like that. Why don't they just work at the termas or help at a discount. As for the obese black women comment. I guess what I was trying to say is most obese black women have a nasty attitude compared to obese white women. I have met many more fat white girls, who had great personalities, and thought, if she only lost weight, she would be so cool to go out with. I rarely think that with fat black women. They seem to go out of their way to be rude and want to blame men for their obesity. Am I wrong here. That seems to be my experience. It seems that black men feel the same way, since they go after white women alot now. I don't think there are enough fit black women to go around.As a Blackman I go after Blackwoman a lot. My friends notice that as my modis operandi. But I am tring to mix it up. He big ass half Brazilian and Italian garota at 502 that I posted, she has a big ass and she came to me and said "culo". What was I suppose to do. Before she did that I was eye balling the Black and Brown garotas. So, all Black guys can't vouch for your "Obese Black woman attitude with Brazilman" study.
I'm talking about the black women in america. Not brazil. Most of the women in Brazil are friendly. Yes. Black men complain about black women in America. I had a discussion with a black guy who said he hates black women and only dates latin girls. He was telling me alot of black guys in his neighborhood are dating white and latin girls. I just find unattractive black women to be very rude. More so then unattractive white chicks. Just my experience. I can only comment on what I observe. Lets do a experiment and see where everyone here stands. Jessica alba or naomi campbell? Sarah palin or Michelle obama. Sofia vergara or tyra banks in prime. If you don't know who sofia is. Google her and look at her pictures. HOT! Beyonce or hayden panettierre. Thats it for now. My picks are alba palin vergara and hayden. Of those 4 I am taking Sofia Vergara.
They don't get paid for the first 10 PER WEEK! Are you kidding me. Sounds like slavery to me. How many guys are they doing a week if they eat the first 10. I hate to see people get exploited like that. Why don't they just work at the termas or help at a discount. .
At the termas they get charged fixed sum daily to be there, they need to purchase their bikini uniforms once a month, they get fined heavily if they are late or dont turn up, they have to pay for their drinks at monger prices (ever saw them sharing a red bull between several girls when one of them gets a customer to buy her a drink?) and of course they divide the price of the programa between the casa and the girl. when you take all this into account we are talking about a lot of "free" programas too
I did visit Termas daily (I continue to love those places), although I was too lazy to go downtown; so my visits were to the tourista 4 (Centaurus, L'Uomo, Monte Carlo and Solarium).
2 of my 3 sessions there were outstanding and the 3rd was only average (my fault for not doing my due diligence).
I thought that L'uomo was good and had an exceptional session there with a decent looking 24y/o.
Exceptional session.
Monte Carlo was the best I've seen it in years. Quite a few transferrees from L'Uomo. Very nice session with a new morena.
No doubt my highlight was the two and a half days I spents with a Centaurus girl outside of the terma
Can you name names please?
I would if I could, but since I didn't jot them down at the time I remember the face and bodies rather than the name. For the particularly meorable ones I remember their real namerather than their stage name and to keep track of two names no longer is workable for me or is it particularly helpful as I think it's the chemistry that truly makes the session work.
Although I didn't do her this trip, every body else that I kew did Bia II at L'Uomo for one of Rio's wildest rides and sloppiest BJ's. I also was in lust with Giovanna at Centaurus.
For me, besides the visual stimulation, the great thin about the Termas is that you have plenty of time to see if there's actually a connection before heading to the cabine/suite.
Will the Balcony become the poor mans help when they close. I never thought balcony was any good, but I'm thinking hot help girls will start going there instead. Where else are they going to go. I am used to going to help after the termas close. If you can't close a terma girl after work, where do I go. Anyone have any ideas. I don't like the clip joints like Barbarella.
I think so too, if Help closes you will probably see places like Mabs, Balcony and Meia Pataca packed with good quality girls that would have gone to Help and TA.
At the termas they get charged fixed sum daily to be there, they need to purchase their bikini uniforms once a month, they get fined heavily if they are late or dont turn up, they have to pay for their drinks at monger prices (ever saw them sharing a red bull between several girls when one of them gets a customer to buy her a drink?) and of course they divide the price of the programa between the casa and the girl. when you take all this into account we are talking about a lot of "free" programas too
Really?!! I was under the impression that the terma girls get paid weekly to be in the casa every day. You are saying that the terma girls have to pay the house?
FLRoadWarrior
04-14-09, 22:12
I will set the record strait. One of my best friends married a Terma Centro girl. They live here in the area now. I was with him when he meet her. So I hang out with them both ever so often. I asked her point blank about the pay. They get free food and drink while on duty. It is encourged by the owners to have the customer buy drinks and meals and such. Also they get paid in cash after every shift. If they are late a fine of one session is charged to her account. If she misses a day. She is fined for 3 sessions. The uniforms are free. The hair dressers and make up people or free. But she only worked at this one Terma. Other Termas have different rules she said.
Really?!! I was under the impression that the terma girls get paid weekly to be in the casa every day. You are saying that the terma girls have to pay the house?
Yes. I know this is the case for a fact at L Uomo and I suppose it is the same elsewhere although the payment method may vary from place to place. At L Uomo on payday (every thursday I think) they deduct the uniform, drinks, daily fees, fines etc etc from the money due to the girls for the programas made.
I think so too, if Help closes you will probably see places like Mabs, Balcony and Meia Pataca packed with good quality girls that would have gone to Help and TA.
Could really be a turf war if Help and TA girls invade Balcony.
Yes. I know this is the case for a fact at L Uomo and I suppose it is the same elsewhere although the payment method may vary from place to place. At L Uomo on payday (every thursday I think) they deduct the uniform, drinks, daily fees, fines etc etc from the money due to the girls for the programas made.
After reading FLRoadWarrior response, I guess the rules are different at every terma. (I thought it sounded weird that a girl would have to pay to work in a terma)
Could really be a turf war if Help and TA girls invade Balcony.
You better believe it. I gurantee that there will be alot of fist fights in Balcony because of the new girls "trespassing" on their turf.
Jamaicanceo
04-15-09, 01:35
I'm talking about the black women in america. Not brazil. Most of the women in Brazil are friendly. Yes. Black men complain about black women in America. I had a discussion with a black guy who said he hates black women and only dates latin girls. He was telling me alot of black guys in his neighborhood are dating white and latin girls. I just find unattractive black women to be very rude. More so then unattractive white chicks. Just my experience. I can only comment on what I observe. Lets do a experiment and see where everyone here stands. Jessica alba or naomi campbell? Sarah palin or Michelle obama. Sofia vergara or tyra banks in prime. If you don't know who sofia is. Google her and look at her pictures. HOT! Beyonce or hayden panettierre. Thats it for now. My picks are alba palin vergara and hayden. Of those 4 I am taking Sofia Vergara.You have bad taste. In your picks I would expect Dolly Pardon and Britney Spears. If you had better taste you would said Naomi Campbell, Michelle Obama, Tyra Banks (current or prime), and Beyonce. You pay too much attention to D type women instead of the A+ type.
Eric Cartman
04-15-09, 07:58
i was fortunate enough to be back for my first rio trip for '09 and thought i'd share some of my thoughts regarding the locales and ladies that i experienced.
first off i did visit help! for a little nostalgia, although i've never been a fan. i was traveling with friends, however, who love that place. there was a good crowd on friday; and on sunday it was worse than dead (whatever that is). i thought the quality of gdps inside was about the same as it's been for the last 5 years. it d oes appear that it may actually be closing in mayaccording to the manager i spoke to there and the few i spoke with at ta. definitely would be the end of an epoch and it will be interesting to see how it will be replaced. which it no doubt will.
i did visit termas daily (i continue to love those places), although i was too lazy to go downtown; so my visits were to the tourista 4 (centaurus, l'uomo, monte carlo and solarium).
i will make this disclaimer. i am a long time fan of centaurus (often not a popular position here.) i will also acknowledge that i do squander money both stateside and internationally so my view, neither right nor wrong; just differentthan those of some others here.
that said, i did make it to centaurus several times this trip, and found the talent level there to be outstanding. i was there with 5 guys and there were plenty of 8's and 9's for all of us. in my semi-humble opinion the differnce between c and the other 3 woulb be the difference between an average looks of 8 vs a 6 or 61/2 at the other. for me the additional $40-45 that centaurus costs more than the others (s, mc, l'you) is worth the higher quality. that said clearly there are better bargains to be had as you move towards downtown. 2 of my 3 sessions there were outstanding and the 3rd was only average (my fault for not doing my due diligence). as has been my experience there it was not necessary to pay in advance (just tell them that you want to pay depois), and all that any of us paid was r$400 and not the 420 that i've seen quoted here recently. not sure if my friend and i were given the local rate or not.
i thought that l'uomo was good and had an exceptional session there with a decent looking 24y/o.
sunday at solarium started very slowly. we were going to leave but happily we hung in there until the 6pm shift arrived. it started hopping with the arrival of several super fine loiras who i hadn't seen there before. exceptional session.
monte carlo was the best i've seen it in years. quite a few transferrees from l'uomo. very nice session with a new morena.
one night on a whim went over to barbarella for the first time in probably 5 years. lots of eye candy with some women who truly hav e a bizarrely inflated view of their value. one 5'11" gorgeous model who claims she works as a model in the middle east asked my friend for 500 reals per hour for a minimum of 3 hours. i overheard this and started to laugh uncontrollably. (she didn't seem to appreciate this). needless to say no deal was made. most girls there were starting at 500 per hour but negotiable. i did take out a pretty hot baihiana who happily accepted the 300 i gave her for several hours. total cost 60 for entry including 2 domestic drinks, 60 for the take out, so for a total of 420. a bit high but i'm alway looking for different venues with high caliber gdps.
no doubt my highlight was the two and a half days i spents with a centaurus girl outside of the terma and it included her getting us invited to a party that was the celebration of the ending of a popular novel next door to porcao rio. always a weird experience, however, getting the evil eye from the young brasilieros seeing this young beauty draped all over and old gringo like me.
another great trip and am am already scheming about my next trip.
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
i seriously don't know who to believe any more about the state of the tourista 4 termas .....
Jamaicanceo
04-15-09, 18:33
Terma girls get burnout too. Imagine if you at your favorite dessert everyday. Wouldn't you get tired of it too? Yes, terma girls who are not on drugs but need the money for other reasons, use their body and love for sex to satisfy their need for money. But over a period of time, they dread going to work like anyone elese. Hell, even a rock star gets tired of being a rock star.
Here's my point. If one is lucky enough to get a nice terma girl to come to your apartment, would it be worth your wild to offer to pay her terma fine so you can get her for the whole day. Now, there is no standard terma fine, but even if you pay half, would it be worth to get a terma girl to be your GFE.
This applies to a terma girl who has her own money, no kids, and no financial hardhsips like a dying relative.
For the sake of discussion from expert RIO mongers only.
. My buddy found sone fun in a dark corner, and I end ed up sessioning with Andrea. Man, she had an ass like a Clydesdale horse in a Budweiser commercial. And she was perfect because I was determined not to go for the dark skinned big ass garotas.
I'm glad you had a great time. I must admit that I find your analogy somewhat disturbing.................um, keep up the good work!!
ryjer
If Karla models is 120 reals for 2 hours, how much does the agency get out of that. if its half, that doesnt leave much for the girls. they cant be that attractive, if they are banging for 60 reals. the bottom line on bait and switch is as long as the girl is as hot as the one you asked for than its ok.
You know, I tried to ask myself similar questions, and kinda smiled when I realized that I had just had 3 beers, and banged 2 girls in the period of an hour. The total damage, $29. When wondering how much this girls made, I figured it was more the companionship I provided them. Hell, they should have paid me......................lol
ryjer
Jamaicanceo
04-16-09, 16:05
i'm glad you had a great time. i must admit that i find your analogy somewhat disturbing. um, keep up the good work!
ryjerandrea is half brazilian and italian, and is from paulista. she was very happy to please.
my terma analogy is from the thought that the helpee and copa girls are asking r$400 for 1 or 2 hours. over my last 2 visits to rio, i found the gdp prices getting ridiculously high and the terma girls more wanting to visit for fun and less money than the nonterma girls. it's as if the terma girls know they get theirs like a well paid independent girl, who wants to have fun.
Jamaicanceo
04-16-09, 16:10
I will set the record strait. One of my best friends married a Terma Centro girl. They live here in the area now. I was with him when he meet her. So I hang out with them both ever so often. I asked her point blank about the pay. They get free food and drink while on duty. It is encourged by the owners to have the customer buy drinks and meals and such. Also they get paid in cash after every shift. If they are late a fine of one session is charged to her account. If she misses a day. She is fined for 3 sessions. The uniforms are free. The hair dressers and make up people or free. But she only worked at this one Terma. Other Termas have different rules she said.I asked a terma girl last night from Luomo, and she laughed when I mention I heard from somewhere that the free hairdresser and makeup people. She laughed and said they get nothing free. They pay for everything. The fines are for no show $150 weekdays and R$200 weekends.
i think so too, if help closes you will probably see places like mabs, balcony and meia pataca packed with good quality girls that would have gone to help and ta.where is mabs and balcony located. i've never been to either of those before, but i guess i need to add them to my list since helpee may be closing.
You have bad taste. In your picks I would expect Dolly Pardon and Britney Spears. If you had better taste you would said Naomi Campbell, Michelle Obama, Tyra Banks (current or prime), and Beyonce. You pay too much attention to D type women instead of the A+ type.
Damn Jamaicanceo, I was going to comment but now I have no need. "A" list says it all!!
Now let's get back to RIO women.
Lonzo
Can anyone confirm if both of these Termas are still owned by the same owner or ran by the same management? According to Bubba Guide a few years ago it was owned by the same owner but thought I had read elsewhere that it was no longer the same owner. Can anyone confirm this?
Thanks,
musze
You have bad taste. In your picks I would expect Dolly Pardon and Britney Spears. If you had better taste you would said Naomi Campbell, Michelle Obama, Tyra Banks (current or prime), and Beyonce. You pay too much attention to D type women instead of the A+ type.Michelle Obama?? WTF??
Hence the phrase "Cada louco com sua mania" I suppose.
Jamaicanceo
04-17-09, 05:04
Michelle Obama?? WTF??
Hence the phrase "Cada louco com sua mania" I suppose.Para trás para você amigo!
Dragonlordnl1971
04-18-09, 14:46
Hello everyone.
First of all I would like to thank those people that have taken the time & trouble to make some great guides/posts/advice.
I will be in Rio in May for a few weeks and the information here has been great. Hopefully HELP will still be open
I've read so much about it.
I will post some reports myself after my visit ofcourse.
One question though. , do any of you exp mongers have any good tips on how to go about getting a GFE?
I realise ofcourse that if you hit it of with a lady it might end up being a GFE.
But this is after you go to a terma or HELP.
Are there women/sites that advertise with that specifically in mind?
Also, since things keep changing ofcourse in time, are there any " new" do's & don'ts that I should know about? (I have read most of the Rio thread)
Thx in advance & gl mongering.
Dragonlord
Mr Enternational
04-18-09, 20:14
Does anyone know if BA 85 and U 22 will be open on the 21st?
Member #4643
04-18-09, 20:47
I am arriving this Sunday at 23:00.
Does anyone know whether any of the agencies are open on Sunday night? Termas?
Or is Help the only real place to find a garota?
Thanks F
Nimms Mabs and Balcony are located on the other end of Copa by Leme. Look for lifeguard tower (posto) 2 (Help is located closer to posto 5) they are directly across the street on Atlantico from posto 2. Balcony is next to the park and Mabs is two blocks away at Prado jr.
Forest your only hope is Help/ TA. Although Luomos, MC and Solarium are open they will close at midnight, so you gotta pick a girl by about 11:20pm.
Hello everyone.
First of all I would like to thank those people that have taken the time & trouble to make some great guides/posts/advice.
I will be in Rio in May for a few weeks and the information here has been great. Hopefully HELP will still be open
I've read so much about it.
I will post some reports myself after my visit ofcourse.
One question though. , do any of you exp mongers have any good tips on how to go about getting a GFE?
I realise ofcourse that if you hit it of with a lady it might end up being a GFE.
But this is after you go to a terma or HELP.
Are there women/sites that advertise with that specifically in mind?
Also, since things keep changing ofcourse in time, are there any " new" do's & don'ts that I should know about? (I have read most of the Rio thread)
Thx in advance & gl mongering.
Dragonlord
GFE or Girlfriend experience in Rio is more the rule rather than the exception. Not many wet fish in Rio. I believe in 10 years, I have only had 3. 2 were from the Balcony. I like the Balcony, but it can be hit and miss. Brasilian women are naturally affectionate, passionate and enjoy sex. They are interested in pleasing you. I suggest you not be concerned about it. Believe me you will understand a lot more once you get there. There’s tons of information about website for girls in the Escort section. For example: http://www.hotside.com.br/ is a good one. If the girl’s information states she is (simpatica) you know she is GFE, but again in my experience it is a moot point.
As far as DO's & DON'Ts. If you have read the forum you are covered.
RonnyRon
Jamaicanceo
04-19-09, 03:51
gfe or girlfriend experience in rio is more the rule rather than the exception. not many wet fish in rio. i believe in 10 years, i have only had 3. 2 were from the balcony. i like the balcony, but it can be hit and miss. brasilian women are naturally affectionate, passionate and enjoy sex. they are interested in pleasing you. i suggest you not be concerned about it. believe me you will understand a lot more once you get there. there’s tons of information about website for girls in the escort section. for example: http://www.hotside.com.br/ is a good one. if the girl’s information states she is (simpatica) you know she is gfe, but again in my experience it is a moot point.
a far as do's & don'ts. if you have read the forum you are covered.
ronnyroncan i add, if a gdp quotes you more than r$200 for less than all night sex at your apartment, just walk away and look for a better deal. better prices are out there. last month at balcony a sao paulo italian looking gdp wanted r$400 for 2 hours. then, i covered my wing man with white and black gdp duel. the dark one with cleoptra eye-liner and a nose stud, can't remember which side, quoted r$150.00. after i cum, she took a shower and began getting dressed. but she had a d- performance. i was glad to see her go. my wingman's apartment was one floor before me. she wanted to know te apartment, but i acted like i didn't know him. however, she was smart enough to ask my door man to call my friend's apartment. we met them at 10pm and were done by 12am. he gave his gdp a d- too.
i went to ta, and saw a morena that i saw at balcony that night and took her with after 2 hours. i was thinking about her when i was slamming the balcony bimbo. i missed her last december 2008. i took her for r$150.00 and she bbbj and fucked good until late that morning.
it was my first-time at balcony, and i think it's below meia pataca. the pickings were slim.
my atlantica fucks were mostly not as enjoyable as others. although, there is kay kay, who is a helpee and mp regular.
I am arriving this Sunday at 23:00.
Does anyone know whether any of the agencies are open on Sunday night? Termas?
Or is Help the only real place to find a garota?
Thanks F
Or Balcony and so on. Or the 24hr, all week, 365days including holidays, place. I think it's called Vila Mimosa ;) ;)
Dumb N Dumber
04-19-09, 12:04
I wanted to write about something that is happening in my life due to my involvement with a prostitute I met in Rio de Janeiro. I know what happened to me initially, also happens to a lot of other men who travel to Brazil. It is what happened after I learned that I had been rolled, that is stunning.
This website Jackson has created is full of posts of men’s bravado about sexual exploits from around the globe, but very few men write about their attempts to form relationships with some of the girls they meet, and the results when these ‘relationships’ go bad. What is happening to my life because of my naïve belief a relationship with a prostitute was possible; is beyond belief. I wanted to share this with ISG in the hope that I can make some of you men think twice before you attempt to form a relationship with a prostitute.
I met this girl in Rio de Janeiro in Help Disco and was taken back by her beauty. But she was also charming, intelligent, soft spoken, and extremely well mannered. It did not take long for me to fall for her. I thought she was the perfect woman. I considered the fact that she was working as a prostitute nothing more than a circumstance in her life because of the lack of economic opportunities in Brazil.
To make a long story short; I spent the next 18 months wining and dining this woman. She talked about marriage, children, the whole nine yards. I flew her to a few different countries I was working in, paid her bills including her mortgage on her apartment, helped her build a house for her mother, silicon implants, and the list goes on, right up to $40,000 USD. Over the course of the 18 months, there were times I suspected something was amiss, but each time I talked to her about my concerns she always had an answer which seemed to satisfy me. I also thought she needed more time to adjust to a normal life. What I didn’t realize was……when she was not with me in another country, she was still ‘working’ in Brazil. I had been rolled for 18 months and didn’t even realize it. I’m a smart guy; high IQ, well spoken, have a job in management, and reasonably successful in my career. I thought I was way smart enough to spot a con if I ever met one. I could not have been more wrong!
After 18 months, I was getting ready to fly to Rio to spend my birthday with her. She told me she could not be with me because she had to take her sister to the interior of Minas Gerais to a hospital, and there would be no cell coverage, only e-mail. I was really disappointed as I wanted to spend my b-day with her. She sent me a message telling me she would be in Rio in about 2 weeks. On my b-day, I decided to track her down in Brazil and travel to whatever city she was in. I checked the IP address of her e-mail to learn what Brazilian city she was in, only to learn she was really in Italy. I later learned she went there for a few weeks to check the place out. A few months later she traveled there to work as a prostitute on a one year contract; all this according to her mother.
I was absolutely stunned. Then it turned to absolute fury. No one had ever taken money from me like that before. I posted some information on the internet to warn others about this woman. I wrote that she is a prostitute, a thief and a pathological liar; all truths.
Now, this woman has filed charges against me in Brazil alleging slander. It’s a false charge, but it will cost me between $10,000 and $20,000 to defend myself against her accusations. I have more than enough proof to back up my statements against her, but it may cost me $20,000 to clear my name. Slander is a criminal offense in Brazil, carrying a sentence of 6 to 24 months and civil damages are possible as well. I find it incredibly arrogant that this prostitute rolled me for $40,000 USD and is now trying to cause more damage to my life because I tried to inform the public about her. I have serious doubts as to whether I would receive a fair trial in Brazil.
Guys, in general, I don’t think these working girls can possibly lead anything close to a normal life. Forming a relationship with a prostitute is next to impossible. After my experience with this girl, I firmly believe the vast majority of these girls are damaged physiologically to the point they have great difficulty leading normal lives. After I discovered the truth that she had only been using me for money, I talked to 3 or 4 other working girls in Rio, and ALL of them did not see anything wrong with what she did. To them, scamming men is a normal way to make a living.
I frequented prostitutes before, but this experience has made me give up that bad habit. I traveled to Brazil on average once every 4 months. I quit fooling around with prostitutes over a year ago, but continued to travel to Brazil as I really loved the country. I had planned to retire there, but with this legal development, I may never be able to travel there again. The Department of State has told me (off the record) that extradition is highly unlikely in this case, but I don’t find much comfort in that.
Guys, don’t think with the little head when you meet these girls. There are too many girls in Brazil who have you, and many other men as ‘boyfriends.’ When I told one PI in Brazil that I met her in Help Disco, he said “man, I get a lot of work out of that place”. It’s a quote I will never forget. It made me realize I was not alone in my foolish attempt to believe a relationship is possible with one of these girls. If she really cares about you, wait it out until you learn a great deal about her before you start spending large wads of cash. And with Brazilians, you’re not ‘in’ until you meet her family. I talked to this girl’s family, but never met them in person.
It is not worth the attempt to build a relationship with these working girls. If you must frequent prostitutes, use them and dump them. Do not get involved with them personally; it is not worth the risk. My Portuguese is pretty good and I talk to the girls all the time about what happened to me. All of them told me it is quite common for girls to have several boyfriends who send them money. Be careful with your money and your hearts guys. If money is a requirement to maintain the ‘relationship’, then more than likely you are still her client.
I wanted to write about something that is happening in my life due to my involvement with a prostitute I met in Rio de Janeiro. I know what happened to me initially, also happens to a lot of other men who travel to Brazil. It is what happened after I learned that I had been rolled, that is stunning.
This website Jackson has created is full of posts of men’s bravado about sexual exploits from around the globe, but very few men write about their attempts to form relationships with some of the girls they meet, and the results when these ‘relationships’ go bad. What is happening to my life because of my naïve belief a relationship with a prostitute was possible; is beyond belief. I wanted to share this with ISG in the hope that I can make some of you men think twice before you attempt to form a relationship with a prostitute.
I met this girl in Rio de Janeiro in Help Disco and was taken back by her beauty. But she was also charming, intelligent, soft spoken, and extremely well mannered. It did not take long for me to fall for her. I thought she was the perfect woman. I considered the fact that she was working as a prostitute nothing more than a circumstance in her life because of the lack of economic opportunities in Brazil.
To make a long story short; I spent the next 18 months wining and dining this woman. She talked about marriage, children, the whole nine yards. I flew her to a few different countries I was working in, paid her bills including her mortgage on her apartment, helped her build a house for her mother, silicon implants, and the list goes on, right up to $40, 000 USD. Over the course of the 18 months, there were times I suspected something was amiss, but each time I talked to her about my concerns she always had an answer which seemed to satisfy me. I also thought she needed more time to adjust to a normal life. What I didn’t realize was. When she was not with me in another country, she was still ‘working’ in Brazil. I had been rolled for 18 months and didn’t even realize it. I’m a smart guy; high IQ, well spoken, have a job in management, and reasonably successful in my career. I thought I was way smart enough to spot a con if I ever met one. I could not have been more wrong!
After 18 months, I was getting ready to fly to Rio to spend my birthday with her. She told me she could not be with me because she had to take her sister to the interior of Minas Gerais to a hospital, and there would be no cell coverage, only e-mail. I was really disappointed as I wanted to spend my b-day with her. She sent me a message telling me she would be in Rio in about 2 weeks. On my b-day, I decided to track her down in Brazil and travel to whatever city she was in. I checked the IP address of her e-mail to learn what Brazilian city she was in, only to learn she was really in Italy. I later learned she went there for a few weeks to check the place out. A few months later she traveled there to work as a prostitute on a one year contract; all this according to her mother.
I was absolutely stunned. Then it turned to absolute fury. No one had ever taken money from me like that before. I posted some information on the internet to warn others about this woman. I wrote that she is a prostitute, a thief and a pathological liar; all truths.
Now, this woman has filed charges against me in Brazil alleging slander. It’s a false charge, but it will cost me between $10, 000 and $20, 000 to defend myself against her accusations. I have more than enough proof to back up my statements against her, but it may cost me $20, 000 to clear my name. Slander is a criminal offense in Brazil, carrying a sentence of 6 to 24 months and civil damages are possible as well. I find it incredibly arrogant that this prostitute rolled me for $40, 000 USD and is now trying to cause more damage to my life because I tried to inform the public about her. I have serious doubts as to whether I would receive a fair trial in Brazil.
Guys, in general, I don’t think these working girls can possibly lead anything close to a normal life. Forming a relationship with a prostitute is next to impossible. After my experience with this girl, I firmly believe the vast majority of these girls are damaged physiologically to the point they have great difficulty leading normal lives. After I discovered the truth that she had only been using me for money, I talked to 3 or 4 other working girls in Rio, and ALL of them did not see anything wrong with what she did. To them, scamming men is a normal way to make a living.
I frequented prostitutes before, but this experience has made me give up that bad habit. I traveled to Brazil on average once every 4 months. I quit fooling around with prostitutes over a year ago, but continued to travel to Brazil as I really loved the country. I had planned to retire there, but with this legal development, I may never be able to travel there again. The Department of State has told me (off the record) that extradition is highly unlikely in this case, but I don’t find much comfort in that.
Guys, don’t think with the little head when you meet these girls. There are too many girls in Brazil who have you, and many other men as ‘boyfriends. ’ When I told one PI in Brazil that I met her in Help Disco, he said "man, I get a lot of work out of that place". It’s a quote I will never forget. It made me realize I was not alone in my foolish attempt to believe a relationship is possible with one of these girls. If she really cares about you, wait it out until you learn a great deal about her before you start spending large wads of cash. And with Brazilians, you’re not ‘in’ until you meet her family. I talked to this girl’s family, but never met them in person.
It is not worth the attempt to build a relationship with these working girls. If you must frequent prostitutes, use them and dump them. Do not get involved with them personally; it is not worth the risk. My Portuguese is pretty good and I talk to the girls all the time about what happened to me. All of them told me it is quite common for girls to have several boyfriends who send them money. Be careful with your money and your hearts guys. If money is a requirement to maintain the ‘relationship’, then more than likely you are still her client. Sorry but that's just one experience. Don't try to make a general rule out of your personal experience. I'm sure it hurts. I'm sure she didn't treat you fair. And have all my sympathy but.
Saying that all women are just the same, is not very different from saying that all GDP are are just the same. They are not. They are different. Believe me. I also have had my experiences.
In the end love, money and sex are very complex issues. There are no rules.
This forum is filled with stories of guys getting taken by GDPs . Just curious, does anyone know the statutes of limitations in brazil?..Can u get arrested at immigration if some random gdp alleged slander or worse, battery?
By the same token, what if a GDP went to the police and claimed u hit her? Unbeknownst to u you, u try to reenter brazil, would u get arrested just on her word?
instead of wasting 20k, if the statutes of limitation is say three or four years..couldnt u just wait it out?. go visit colombia, argentina and other countries...then get back when the statutes of limitation runs out.
Thanks for your honesty in reporting your experience. I too made the mistake of getting into a relationship with a GDP a few years ago, a mistake I will never make again. I didn't spend nearly as much money as you did, but it came to several $K. I paid for silicone implants and took her out to the best places every time I came to Rio. The end result was astonishingly similar to yours. After a couple of months of not being able to locate her, she let me know she was in Italy working as a prostitute. I know a few other guys who contribute to this forum have had similar experiences; some have sent me PMs describing their experiences.
So, guys, if you haven't figured it out already, the cardinal rule is this: once a prostitute, always a prostitute. If you find a GDP who charms you, by all means have a good time with her and enjoy yourself while you can. But never, ever trust her, and never give her your heart,
BTW, you don't mention your nationality, but if you are American, Brazil does not have an extradition treaty with the US, so you don't need to worry about the criminal charges. Just don't go to Brazil. There are plenty of other places to monger that are just as good--well, almost. I don't know for sure, but I doubt that Brazil has extradition treaties with anyone. Brazil is famous, or notorious, for being a haven for people fleeing from the law, knowing they can't be touched by the law in their own country. Ronnie Biggs, the British train robber, lived in Brazil for decades. This is a two-edged sword for Brazil, because it means that they can't retrieve people from other countries either.
Bottom line: we all learn from our mistakes, which at times can be very costly. C'est la vie!
Lorenzo
I wanted to write about something that is happening in my life due to my involvement with a prostitute I met in Rio de Janeiro. I know what happened to me initially, also happens to a lot of other men who travel to Brazil. It is what happened after I learned that I had been rolled, that is stunning.
This website Jackson has created is full of posts of men’s bravado about sexual exploits from around the globe, but very few men write about their attempts to form relationships with some of the girls they meet, and the results when these ‘relationships’ go bad. What is happening to my life because of my naïve belief a relationship with a prostitute was possible; is beyond belief. I wanted to share this with ISG in the hope that I can make some of you men think twice before you attempt to form a relationship with a prostitute.
I met this girl in Rio de Janeiro in Help Disco and was taken back by her beauty. But she was also charming, intelligent, soft spoken, and extremely well mannered. It did not take long for me to fall for her. I thought she was the perfect woman. I considered the fact that she was working as a prostitute nothing more than a circumstance in her life because of the lack of economic opportunities in Brazil.
To make a long story short; I spent the next 18 months wining and dining this woman. She talked about marriage, children, the whole nine yards. I flew her to a few different countries I was working in, paid her bills including her mortgage on her apartment, helped her build a house for her mother, silicon implants, and the list goes on, right up to $40,000 USD. Over the course of the 18 months, there were times I suspected something was amiss, but each time I talked to her about my concerns she always had an answer which seemed to satisfy me. I also thought she needed more time to adjust to a normal life. What I didn’t realize was……when she was not with me in another country, she was still ‘working’ in Brazil. I had been rolled for 18 months and didn’t even realize it. I’m a smart guy; high IQ, well spoken, have a job in management, and reasonably successful in my career. I thought I was way smart enough to spot a con if I ever met one. I could not have been more wrong!
After 18 months, I was getting ready to fly to Rio to spend my birthday with her. She told me she could not be with me because she had to take her sister to the interior of Minas Gerais to a hospital, and there would be no cell coverage, only e-mail. I was really disappointed as I wanted to spend my b-day with her. She sent me a message telling me she would be in Rio in about 2 weeks. On my b-day, I decided to track her down in Brazil and travel to whatever city she was in. I checked the IP address of her e-mail to learn what Brazilian city she was in, only to learn she was really in Italy. I later learned she went there for a few weeks to check the place out. A few months later she traveled there to work as a prostitute on a one year contract; all this according to her mother.
I was absolutely stunned. Then it turned to absolute fury. No one had ever taken money from me like that before. I posted some information on the internet to warn others about this woman. I wrote that she is a prostitute, a thief and a pathological liar; all truths.
Now, this woman has filed charges against me in Brazil alleging slander. It’s a false charge, but it will cost me between $10,000 and $20,000 to defend myself against her accusations. I have more than enough proof to back up my statements against her, but it may cost me $20,000 to clear my name. Slander is a criminal offense in Brazil, carrying a sentence of 6 to 24 months and civil damages are possible as well. I find it incredibly arrogant that this prostitute rolled me for $40,000 USD and is now trying to cause more damage to my life because I tried to inform the public about her. I have serious doubts as to whether I would receive a fair trial in Brazil.
Guys, in general, I don’t think these working girls can possibly lead anything close to a normal life. Forming a relationship with a prostitute is next to impossible. After my experience with this girl, I firmly believe the vast majority of these girls are damaged physiologically to the point they have great difficulty leading normal lives. After I discovered the truth that she had only been using me for money, I talked to 3 or 4 other working girls in Rio, and ALL of them did not see anything wrong with what she did. To them, scamming men is a normal way to make a living.
I frequented prostitutes before, but this experience has made me give up that bad habit. I traveled to Brazil on average once every 4 months. I quit fooling around with prostitutes over a year ago, but continued to travel to Brazil as I really loved the country. I had planned to retire there, but with this legal development, I may never be able to travel there again. The Department of State has told me (off the record) that extradition is highly unlikely in this case, but I don’t find much comfort in that.
Guys, don’t think with the little head when you meet these girls. There are too many girls in Brazil who have you, and many other men as ‘boyfriends.’ When I told one PI in Brazil that I met her in Help Disco, he said “man, I get a lot of work out of that place”. It’s a quote I will never forget. It made me realize I was not alone in my foolish attempt to believe a relationship is possible with one of these girls. If she really cares about you, wait it out until you learn a great deal about her before you start spending large wads of cash. And with Brazilians, you’re not ‘in’ until you meet her family. I talked to this girl’s family, but never met them in person.
It is not worth the attempt to build a relationship with these working girls. If you must frequent prostitutes, use them and dump them. Do not get involved with them personally; it is not worth the risk. My Portuguese is pretty good and I talk to the girls all the time about what happened to me. All of them told me it is quite common for girls to have several boyfriends who send them money. Be careful with your money and your hearts guys. If money is a requirement to maintain the ‘relationship’, then more than likely you are still her client.
But you are doing the right thing by reminding others to not even allow that little seed a gdp can plant in your mind about the possibility of a serious/marriage type relationship.
Gdp's are human, but they are what they are, and do what they do ( make money ). Can't forget that. I thought this obvious to all, but I guess I was wrong.
I understand your bitterness, but cutting out gdp's from your life does not mean that you can not be taken again. For example, a person in your situation now hooks up with a non-gdp, then gets married......then divorced, and you are going to be out more than the $40,000-60,000. Gets screwed as well.
Look at Mel Gibson, he is worth over 900 million. He is getting divorced. Guess what? In California, spouse gets half of what you made from the point of marriage. He's out 450 million. I am sure he will survive with the other half of his cash :)
So you came out smelling like roses! You have your health, job, and your future. Just be thankful you did not have any kids with her.
Thanks again for sharing your experience. Hopefully, it will save others some major heartache and cash.
It happens with girls whatever they do, not just prostitutes.
It so happened that the two times I went to Cuba, I was had.
But luckily I am naturally cheap, so when a girl asks and asks without giving, I become suspicious. And I leave.
Never took me that long to realize my stupidity. But I admit, I fell because I was desperate and lonely. That is all. Sad to say, but true.
Or, desperate for what really does not want me. I am sure we get attention, but sometimes from girls we don't want. So in Cuba or wherever, it is so much easier, cheaper and then easier to slide into delusion.
Like women al over the world, prostitutes or not, very cagey.
Manipulative. So it is a game. What they lose with age, we gain.
So this should not have to happen.
Thank god it does not happen to me often. I am 37, and not rich.
I am planning on going back to Cuba anyway.
Deep down I like the game, piercing through the lies, the moaning in and out of bed. It's the risk, the thrill. Who's the bigger idiot? Who's using whom?
And in the end, where in the us will I get such great T and A for those prices? Check out online, 200 an hour for a hefty older lady.
Mongering, traveling to monger, is a statement that says we do have options. Do not have to take the dribs and drabs given to us in the us--with incredible sneers.
Yes, D&D, it cost you 40G or so, but Mangera is right: your "divorce" came cheap by comparison. My divorces were not nearly as expensive as Mel Gibson's, but still vastly more costly than the 40 big ones that you pissed away on the girl from Help. And something tells me that you had way better sex, too, ...
(BTW, I just put a link into the ROD thread to D&D's post. It's worth reading and keeping in mind for future adventures for all of us ...)
euro
It happens with girls whatever they do, not just prostitutes.
It so happened that the two times I went to Cuba, I was had.
But luckily I am naturally cheap, so when a girl asks and asks without giving, I become suspicious. And I leave.
Never took me that long to realize my stupidity. But I admit, I fell because I was desperate and lonely. That is all. Sad to say, but true.
Or, desperate for what really does not want me. I am sure we get attention, but sometimes from girls we don't want. So in Cuba or wherever, it is so much easier, cheaper and then easier to slide into delusion.
Like women all over the world, prostitutes or not, they are very cagey.
Manipulative. So it is a game. What they lose with age, we gain.
So this should not have to happen.
Thank god it does not happen to me often. I am 37, and not rich.
I am planning on going back to Cuba anyway.
Deep down I like the game, piercing through the lies, the moaning in and out of bed. It's the risk, the thrill. Who's the bigger idiot?
Who's using whom?
And in the end, where in the usa will I get such great T and A for those prices? Check out online, 200 an hour for a hefty older lady.
Mongering, traveling to monger, is a statement that says we do have options. Do not have to take the dribs and drabs given to us in the us--with incredible sneers.
Poucolouco
04-20-09, 05:05
I wanted to write about something that is happening in my life due to my involvement with a prostitute I met in Rio de Janeiro. I know what happened to me initially, also happens to a lot of other men who travel to Brazil. It is what happened after I learned that I had been rolled, that is stunning.
This is not a Brasilian phenomenon, it could happen anywhere. I commend you on your choice of user names.
Bad Boy Billy
04-20-09, 05:14
I met this girl in Rio de Janeiro in Help Disco and was taken back by her beauty. But she was also charming, intelligent, soft spoken, and extremely well mannered. It did not take long for me to fall for her. I thought she was the perfect woman................What I didn’t realize was……when she was not with me in another country, she was still ‘working’ in Brazil. I had been rolled for 18 months and didn’t even realize it. I’m a smart guy; high IQ, well spoken, have a job in management, and reasonably successful in my career. I thought I was way smart enough to spot a con if I ever met one. I could not have been more wrong!Welcome to the club my friend - been there done that.
As Poucolouco wrote - not specific to Brazil - happens the world over.
Billy was taken by a Chinese w.h.o.r.e one time who got me hook, line and sinker.
It can hapen to anybody - once bitten - twice shy.
So, guys, if you haven't figured it out already, the cardinal rule is this: once a prostitute, always a prostitute. If you find a GDP who charms you, by all means have a good time with her and enjoy yourself while you can. But never, ever trust her, and never give her your heart.
I think Lorenzo is just emphasising the necessary warning note of Dumb N Dumber's excellent post. But every time someone says this I have to disagree. It might not be one in a million. It might be one in ten million. But I personally know two ex-prostitutes who have been happily married now for several years. They have got an excellent deal and I don't see either of them returning to their old life. Neither of them now have the motivation, opportunity or, as far as I can see, the inclination to get 'top-ups.'
What I think is harder is that if you once pay, you are forever likely to be regarded as a 'client'*, just as Lorenzo, like most normal people I guess, take the view that anyone that they have ever paid is basically a prostitute. Either way, it reinforces the role. It is very easy to define a person by their actions at a particular time.
As D&N said, if you must frequent prostitutes, use them and dump them. It's a bit like marriage (a high-end, less conscious type of P4P for many women if you like). Once you buy into the the game plan, you're stuck with it.
* shorthand for sucker-who-pays. It's about defining the limits. And for anyone who's seen hookers advertising "credit-crunch-specials", remember this means, "I'm feeling the crunch, so I'm really charging you more." Is it worth it if she calls you special? Sweetheart? Husband? Aren't women genetically coded to get the best circumstances to raise their brats? This generally means maximising income, safety, security. 'Love' is nature's way of helping those that can't do it consciously.
I hear these stories all the time about gringos getting fooled by GP's.
The story is always the same. It's like several phases:
1. The guy meets a girl in Help. She gives him a GFE. He falls in love. He spends a lot of money on the girl.
2. He returns back home. Shortly afterwards he invites her to visit him. He spends more money on the girl.
3. She returns to Brazil. He keeps sending her money every month so she can stop working as a GP. She assures him that she's home with her mother and will never again do tricks (of course that's just BS).
4. The girls need more money. She needs a laptop, go to the dentist, her mother needs medicine, the daughter needs to go to a private school, the dog needs a surgery etc. Money keeps rolling in.
5. Time for some bigger investments. She and her mother needs to build a new house. The girl also needs silicone implants. The guy sends a lot of money. The construction is delayed and costly. He sends more money.
6. The guy comes down to Brazil. He gets surprised when he understands that there isn't a newly constructed house. He forgets about the house when she gives him a GFE. The girl now got her milking cow in her back-yard. Time for shopping, clothes, new refrigirator, christmas presents etc. She makes sure to use him as much as possible.
So when does it stop? It depends on how dumb the guy are. It can go on forever.
I have two friends with many years of experience of Brazil who are going through this process right now. One of them has been spending outrageous money on his girl during the last five years.
He refuses to understand what everybody else understands. His girl feels no love at all for him, she's cheats on him, she despises him and is only using him. I've tried to speak sense to the guy, without any success. Even though he's my friend I can't really feel sorry for him. Somebody acting so dumb really deserves what's coming for him.
I have some close friends who works at Help and Barbarella. Beautiful and charming girls. They tell me openly about all the guys they fool. They have several BFs at the same time who keeps sending them money, expensive presents (even dogs), laptops, flatscreens, pays their rents, pays for maids and invites them to Europe/US/Australia.
I see when these girls chat with their BF's over the webcam. Assuring them that they are faithful, loves them and stopped working as GP. The girls are great actors.
I congratulate these girls for succeeding with their business. I can't feel sorry for the guys. They will survive. The girls needs their money better than they do. Not to mention that these girls can afford to give their friend Sperto a free session every now and then. :D
Dumb N Dumber, thank you for sharing you story. Hopefully some other mongers will learn and not fall in the same trap. Stop crying, you seem to earn a lot of money and your only real loss is a broken heart.
Your girl filed a criminal charge against you. You deserve that. You shouldn't have mentioned her name and home city on a public forum. That was hitting below the belt.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=633679&postcount=4170
Man, after reading all these posts, I am seriously thinking of starting my own GDP Private Investigation business in Copa. If these guys are willing to send 3-6 thousand dollars a month to keep their lady off the programma, they should be happy to pay me $1,500, for one month of surveillance!
I mean to be honest; How hard could it be? I would just give the flower lady, the chiclette girls and the dozens of homeless kids my business card. And tell them "If you see this girl in Copa, call me immediately". If it is her, I will pay the person a 50R fee.
I would buy a nice video camera with night vision and a zoom lense, sit in a taxi out in front of Help and just wait for the girl to leave with her client. I betcha I could make more money in Copa doin PI work than I do now!!
Does anyone know how much the services of a PI in Rio costs?
The girls needs their money better than they do. Not to mention that these girls can afford to give their friend Sperto a free session every now and then. :D
ROFL, like it! I must admit I enjoy sessioning with girls who have an income. They are less needy.
My old wingman took it to extremes though. Invited me over to his 'mansion'.
"How come you're living in a mansion in Ipanema?"
- "Oh, it's her mansion."
"Sounds like you're doing great. Why are you still chasing that schoolteacher on the side?"
Anyway, turns out, mansion-girl won't let him pay for anything. She gets truckloads of dosh from her Scandinavian ex. They go to all the best places to eat and party and she pays. It seemed to be damaging his sense of 'manhood'. I'm sure there's another moral there somewhere . . .
:D :D :D
Jamaicanceo
04-20-09, 09:02
Man, after reading all these posts, I am seriously thinking of starting my own GDP Private Investigation business in Copa. If these guys are willing to send 3-6 thousand dollars a month to keep their lady off the programma, they should be happy to pay me $1,500, for one month of surveillance!
I mean to be honest; How hard could it be? I would just give the flower lady, the chiclette girls and the dozens of homeless kids my business card. And tell them "If you see this girl in Copa, call me immediately". If it is her, I will pay the person a 50R fee.
I would buy a nice video camera with night vision and a zoom lense, sit in a taxi out in front of Help and just wait for the girl to leave with her client. I betcha I could make more money in Copa doin PI work than I do now!!
Does anyone know how much the services of a PI in Rio costs?Great idea. Could I be an investor?
Jamaicanceo
04-20-09, 09:06
I hear these stories all the time about gringos getting fooled by GP's.
The story is always the same. It's like several phases:
1. The guy meets a girl in Help. She gives him a GFE. He falls in love. He spends a lot of money on the girl.
2. He returns back home. Shortly afterwards he invites her to visit him. He spends more money on the girl.
3. She returns to Brazil. He keeps sending her money every month so she can stop working as a GP. She assures him that she's home with her mother and will never again do tricks (of course that's just BS).
4. The girls need more money. She needs a laptop, go to the dentist, her mother needs medicine, the daughter needs to go to a private school, the dog needs a surgery etc. Money keeps rolling in.
5. Time for some bigger investments. She and her mother needs to build a new house. The girl also needs silicone implants. The guy sends a lot of money. The construction is delayed and costly. He sends more money.
6. The guy comes down to Brazil. He gets surprised when he understands that there isn't a newly constructed house. He forgets about the house when she gives him a GFE. The girl now got her milking cow in her back-yard. Time for shopping, clothes, new refrigirator, christmas presents etc. She makes sure to use him as much as possible.
So when does it stop? It depends on how dumb the guy are. It can go on forever.
I have two friends with many years of experience of Brazil who are going through this process right now. One of them has been spending outrageous money on his girl during the last five years.
He refuses to understand what everybody else understands. His girl feels no love at all for him, she's cheats on him, she despises him and is only using him. I've tried to speak sense to the guy, without any success. Even though he's my friend I can't really feel sorry for him. Somebody acting so dumb really deserves what's coming for him.
I have some close friends who works at Help and Barbarella. Beautiful and charming girls. They tell me openly about all the guys they fool. They have several BFs at the same time who keeps sending them money, expensive presents (even dogs), laptops, flatscreens, pays their rents, pays for maids and invites them to Europe/US/Australia.
I see when these girls chat with their BF's over the webcam. Assuring them that they are faithful, loves them and stopped working as GP. The girls are great actors.
I congratulate these girls for succeeding with their business. I can't feel sorry for the guys. They will survive. The girls needs their money better than they do. Not to mention that these girls can afford to give their friend Sperto a free session every now and then. :D
Dumb N Dumber, thank you for sharing you story. Hopefully some other mongers will learn and not fall in the same trap. Stop crying, you seem to earn a lot of money and your only real loss is a broken heart.
Your girl filed a criminal charge against you. You deserve that. You shouldn't have mentioned her name and home city on a public forum. That was hitting below the belt.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=633679&postcount=4170So Sperto,
How big was your girl's silicon implants, and where did you buy them a house?
It is not worth the attempt to build a relationship with these working girls. If you must frequent prostitutes, use them and dump them. Do not get involved with them personally; it is not worth the risk. My Portuguese is pretty good and I talk to the girls all the time about what happened to me. All of them told me it is quite common for girls to have several boyfriends who send them money. Be careful with your money and your hearts guys. If money is a requirement to maintain the ‘relationship’, then more than likely you are still her client. I am definitly not saying you deserved what you got, because no one deserves for someone else to take advantage of them. But you said you read this form extensively. It's covered with posts from guys like Sperto, Christophered and Exectalent stating the dangers of this kind of monetary arrangement. These 3 guys literally have thousands of posts here and a vast number of those dissuade guys from sending money to Brazil. You state that you are a pretty sucessful guy. I am just amazed and curious about you got fooled for 18 months. Don't mean to sound insensitive. My heart is bleeding. 40 grand buys a lot of time in 4x4.
Rock Harders
04-20-09, 13:37
Mongers-
In my mind, the big lesson that new guys should take from "dumb and dumber" is to never trust or expect anything from a GDP who is not directly in your line of sight. If a monger wants to fly a GDP to be where ever he is and pay the expenses of that trip, there is nothing wrong with that as he is paying for use of her pussy, essentially. Sending a girl money when you are not around and not plowing into her pussy is simply ludicrous in my opinion. What are you paying for? If this guy wanted to successfully take a shark out of the water and make this GDP his non-working girlfriend, he should have immediately taken her out of Brasil and brought her to live wherever he was living at the time. Also, this guy has to be realistic; if this girl is in her mid or earlier 20's, and strikingly beautiful, and he is an overweight guy in his forties or fifties, is she really going to take him seriously, fall in love and give up the life?
Suerte,
Rock Harders
Dumb N Dumber
04-20-09, 13:57
man, after reading all these posts, i am seriously thinking of starting my own gdp private investigation business in copa. if these guys are willing to send 3-6 thousand dollars a month to keep their lady off the programma, they should be happy to pay me $1,500, for one month of surveillance!
i mean to be honest; how hard could it be? i would just give the flower lady, the chiclette girls and the dozens of homeless kids my business card. and tell them "if you see this girl in copa, call me immediately". if it is her, i will pay the person a 50r fee.
i would buy a nice video camera with night vision and a zoom lense, sit in a taxi out in front of help and just wait for the girl to leave with her client. i betcha i could make more money in copa doin pi work than i do now!!
does anyone know how much the services of a pi in rio costs?according to the pi that i spoke with, he does a good business there and a lot of comes from gringos with gdp girlfriends. i doubt he is rolling in cash, but i would bet he makes a comfortable living. i did pay him for a few hours of work and i can’t remember what it cost me but it was reasonable. i also remember it was well above what a brazilian would normally earn though.
someone asked my nationality and i am a us citizen. from the gdp’s i have talked to, americans are the #1 suckers, followed closely by the italians, but no nationality is exempt. i eventually found a list of e-mail addresses of men this girl was corresponding with and there were about 20 names on it; 50% from italy, maybe 30% from the us, 1 guy from mexico and the rest were rep001tered across europe. she seemed to have a preference for italian guys.
carrib, i am not sure about the statute of limitations in brazil, but in my case, charges have been filed, so it does not matter. if i enter brazil 20 years from now, i could be detained. i am in the process of retaining an attorney right now, as i want to have the charges thrown out. i have more than enough evidence to prove my statements about her are true and therefore not slander. but the charges were filed in brazil and she is brazilian and i am not. i doubt i would receive a 100% fair trial there, but i am pushing forward to defend myself anyway. one attorney told me it is possible to have charges dismissed prior to trial, so i am hoping for that. at a minimum, it will cost me $4,000 usd to have investigative work done and a motion filed to dismiss. if that doesn’t work though, it will take a lot more work and money to make this go away. i have spoken with someone at the department of state and he told me (strictly off record) that this is not an offense that would normally be considered grounds for extradition.
i have thought about just blowing this off but i really love brazil and want to continue to travel there. i’ve been in 20 to 25 different countries in asia, europe, africa, south america and central america, but i have never been to a place that i loved so much as brazil. from my first trip there, i fell in love with brazil and it had nothing to do with the gdp’s. my trips there were never about gdp’s. the scenery in brazil is stunning and the people are friendly. i never attempted to learn a foreign language until i went to brazil, and now i can speak portuguese, albeit barely. i can hold a conversation in portuguese and for anyone else that can do the same, you know this makes an enormous difference in how you are accepted there by regular citizens.
the point of my post was that you need to be careful with everything you do in brazil and elsewhere. this may be a hobby to the men who travel there, but it is a business for the gdp’s. while the vast majority of the gdp’s would not go so far as to file charges against you if there ends up being a conflict (or just for the hell of it), anything is possible. this hobby may be like playing russian roulette with a gun that holds 1,000 rounds. many men have written in this forum about problems with gdp’s and the police being summoned. just based on that, i guess the possibility always exists that she could file charges, baseless or not. more than likely though, if you have an issue with the gdp it will be over money and you are more than likely going to have to deal with the favela boys. personally, i’d rather deal with the police.
mr. bond, i know that all women are not the same, but because of this one experience, i am more cautious about who i allow into my life, even if only for a moment and this pretty much rules out gdp’s. i view them in a completely different light now. since i can speak portuguese well enough, this has opened up doors with the regular girls in brazil anyway and there is no reason for me to have to deal with gdp’s. i know even a regular girl may try to roll me, but i think the chances of that happening are less likely.
dried up, you are right this could happen anywhere, but because the gdp’s there are affectionate and offer more of a gfe experience, the possibility of it happening in brazil may be higher. for me, it was not even a gfe experience with her; not initially and not at any time after she entered my life. the truth is, she wasn’t even that good in bed. i thought i saw other qualities in her and that is what appealed to me.
chingon, sorry, but at the moment, i don’t want to post her pic here. the website that has her photos and info about her can only be found if you know her name. if someone else were to become personally involved with her, she would have to reveal her real name at some point to receive western union transfers or other financial transactions. i don’t know what other men do, but i always google names of people to see if there is any dirt on them. there are quite a few websites devoted to scammers and list the names of the girls in them. my point in having a website built specifically dedicated to her, was to insure the odds would be higher that someone could learn the truth about how she makes a living. although a website can be viewed by anyone in the world, the odds that anyone would see her site are astronomical unless you know her name.
stop crying, you seem to earn a lot of money and your only real loss is a broken heart. your girl filed a criminal charge against you. you deserve that. you shouldn't have mentioned her name and home city on a public forum. that was hitting below the belt.
so what you are saying is that because my income is above average that it makes it okay to target me for theft? i don’t agree with that and i do not deserve criminal charges against me. speaking the truth about someone, however hurtful, does not define slander. do you define what she did to me as hitting above the belt?
thanks to all that commented on this, including sperto. i’m not sure it warrants r.o. d. status but i hope it makes everyone think a little about how involved you get with a gdp. i have a friend recently who became involved with one and i tried to tell him to proceed cautiously. although she seemed like a really nice girl, he was spending a lot of money on her too soon into the relationship. he listened but disregarded and sure enough, a few months after he left brazil, she informed him she had become pregnant to another man. he’s a great guy and seemed to shrug it off, but i hope it did not cost him too much $$ or pain. even with all the warnings, there will still be a lot of guys who take the plunge. sure, it’s always possible it could work, but i want encourage everyone to go slowly. again, if you have to spend big bucks to stay in her life, you may be nothing more than a mark. i also wrote about meeting her family. a brazilian girl’s family is sacred; if you have met her family then you are truly part of her life. if not, proceed with extreme caution, because ahead, those ‘curves’ could be dangerous.
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
What is wrong with you guys. Why would send your money to a prostitute, to not be a prostitute when your gone. How stupid can you guys be. Have fun with the girls and always have the upper hand. DONT MARRY A HOOKER! What is wrong with you. what are you going to tell your kids about her. I think everyone here has average smarts. You guys have been around. Your not rookies. What made you evolve into a sap. Never let them know you have alot of money. Lie about everything. I am the complete opposite of you guys. After i am with a girl the first time, i try to get a lower price the second time, even if i have the money. Alot of the girls are great people to be with but once you take it to the next level its over. They will take you for everything.the fantasy is alwaus better than reality.
I was absolutely stunned. Then it turned to absolute fury. No one had ever taken money from me like that before. I posted some information on the internet to warn others about this woman. I wrote that she is a prostitute, a thief and a pathological liar; all truths.
Now, this woman has filed charges against me in Brazil alleging slander. It’s a false charge, but it will cost me between $10,000 and $20,000 to defend myself against her accusations. I have more than enough proof to back up my statements against her, but it may cost me $20,000 to clear my name. Slander is a criminal offense in Brazil, carrying a sentence of 6 to 24 months and civil damages are possible as well. I find it incredibly arrogant that this prostitute rolled me for $40,000 USD and is now trying to cause more damage to my life because I tried to inform the public about her. I have serious doubts as to whether I would receive a fair trial in Brazil.Following my previous post, a couple of thoughts for D&D:
Everybody is basically looking for the same things: Love, money and health. Have them all and youre happy. And without love, health and good sex, all the money in the world is worth nothing.
We all have different starting points in life: Some people start with no money, some start with no love, and some start just with good looks. And we try to get them all.
GDPs are no different from other people. They just make their money with their bodies and good looks. In the end, they all have the same dream: Make money, find the right guy and have a family (it's true!). And in the process, they need to get money from guys that might have a lot of money but whose lives lack good sex and probably some affection.
Brazilians, in that sense, are truly special for us, europeans or americans. We live in so-called developed countries, where our standards of living don't necessariliy provide happy lives. Mostly because they lack what they do have: a lot of charm and pure love for life.
In short: I'm sorry about your experience. I don't think that is very wise to get involved emotionally with GDPs. They might end happily married, but most probably won't be with you.The play their role: Enticing us, making us happy for an hour, giving us some affection. And, as a friend of mine once told me: "You can get more love and affection from a brazilian GDP in a week than from your own wife in a lifetime".
One important thing: You made a TERRIBLE mistake. You thought that because a gilrl is a GDP, that she has no honor. That's not true. Even more, her honor is terribly important for her. Pride is CRUCIAL for brazilians in general and mentioning her name in public forums is what brought you to this situation.
If I were you, I'd still try to talk with her and try to amend things. Think: She's not some anglosaxon wife trying to get your last penny for alimony. She's a brazilian. And brazilians are different.
El Austriaco
04-20-09, 16:31
Now, this woman has filed charges against me in Brazil alleging slander. It’s a false charge, but it will cost me between $10,000 and $20,000 to defend myself against her accusations.
One question immediatley comes to my mind: is she just telling you that she has filed charges, or have you been officially served through letters rogatory in your home country? If she's only claiming that she has filed charges, more likely than not, it's only a smoke screen. I have a GDP in my past, too, who for years threatened to charge me with something and told me that she actually did. You know what? Nothing ever came of it. Just another bunch of big lies and exaggerated claims.
As long as you're not in Brazil, I wouldn't really worry about it.
On a side note and without claiming to practice law or anything (whether in Brazil or elsewhere), as far as I know, in a slander/libel suit, the burden of proof is actually on the plaintiff. In other words, she would have to prove that whatever you said is factually incorrect.
But anyhow. Regarding your story, first of all, thanks for sharing. It takes a big man to honestly report something like that, and I applaud you for that. After years of reading this board, I can confidently say that you are not the only one who has gone through a nightmare like that. As a matter of fact, I suspect that most of us mongers have had a similar experience at one point or another. I certainly have. Like in Lorenzo's case (reported below), the stories are eerily similar.
Also, keep in mind that things could have been much worse. A couple of years, a guy from California was actually murdered when we visited a Brazilian woman he had met over the Internet. Over the years, he had dished out tens of thousands of dollars on her... the killers? The girl and her real-life boyfriend.
http://mb.internetdatingconference.com/viewtopic.php?t=618&view=next
Finally, let me comment on something else you wrote:
After I discovered the truth that she had only been using me for money, I talked to 3 or 4 other working girls in Rio, and ALL of them did not see anything wrong with what she did. To them, scamming men is a normal way to make a living.
Just before I read your story yesterday, by pure coincidence, I was watching "Shade" again, a movie where Daniel Byrne has the following to say to his fellow con artists after cheating another poker player out of 80,000 dollars (I am quoting from personal recollection):
"I don't feel sorry for the guy. As far as I am concerned, a guy who doesn't know how to hold on to his money doesn't deserve it in the first place."
I think everyone would be well advised to automatically assume that this is EXACTLY the attitude of a Copacabana GPD. Or hookers anywhere else, for that matter.
Good luck,
EA
Neverenuff
04-20-09, 18:59
Man, after reading all these posts, I am seriously thinking of starting my own GDP Private Investigation business in Copa. If these guys are willing to send 3-6 thousand dollars a month to keep their lady off the programma, they should be happy to pay me $1,500, for one month of surveillance!
Does anyone know how much the services of a PI in Rio costs?Awesome post! I was thinking something along the same lines but couldn't actually figure out what occupation to take up in Rio if I find I love it there when I make my first trip this week. Dude, you might have some competition on your hands. Lol.
Now, this woman has filed charges against me in Brazil alleging slander. It’s a false charge, but it will cost me between $10,000 and $20,000 to defend myself against her accusations. I have more than enough proof to back up my statements against her, but it may cost me $20,000 to clear my name. Slander is a criminal offense in Brazil, carrying a sentence of 6 to 24 months and civil damages are possible as well. I find it incredibly arrogant that this prostitute rolled me for $40,000 USD and is now trying to cause more damage to my life because I tried to inform the public about her. I have serious doubts as to whether I would receive a fair trial in Brazil.
DnD - you certainly have balls to share your sad tale with us. As has been stated several times, we have all been there to some degree or another. And it's not an issue exclusive to Brazil, that's for damned sure. It's what these girls do for a living and they are good at it.
I had a chat with a Brazilian attorney friend of mine about your legal matter and (just like a typical lawyer) he says that without additional details he could never speculate on the merits of her case. However, all things being equal, she is in all likelihood launching a peremptory strike against any legal action you may be considering to take in the recovery of your $40k clams. He went on to say that while legal fees to clear you name may well exceed the value of the money lost, there's no guarantee that you will be any further ahead than if you do nothing. His advice was to lay low and stay under the radar. No judge wants to be associated with a case like this and the only people who have ANYTHING to gain is the lawyers. Don't throw good money after bad.
Remember - lawyers and GDP's have more in common that we may want to admit ;)
If you got a pic of the GDP, post it. Gives us more info.
With a little Google knowledge you can trace down the website that D&D made "in honor" of the girl. (took me less than 30 seconds). On the front page there is a nice pic of her, and then there are 5 more on a second page.
Sperto said about D&D: "Your girl filed a criminal charge against you. You deserve that. You shouldn't have mentioned her name and home city on a public forum. That was hitting below the belt."
My first reaction was something like, oh fuck, man, Sperto, this is way to harsh. The man got hurt, and he just posted his experience here. But I must say now that I agree. The dedicated website is taking it a step too far.
On the other hand, D&D, the Internet is a double-edged sword. And you want to be very careful how you use it. You can take my advice or leave it, but if I were you, I would delete all of the contents of the website you created, including all of the pictures. Websites can be traced back to their creators!!!
D&D, I had initially put your post into the ROD thread, because I found it instructive and informative. Then I found your first post on this forum, from 18 month ago, and I linked that too in the same post. But now I have deleted my ROD posting, because I do not want to contribute to people finding out who this girl is, and who you are.
D&D, you can PM me, and I can explain to you how I found your information. Hopefully, this will help you to erase all traces leading to the girl and leading to you. Obviously, I do not want to post the details here.
WARNING for all of us: the p4p thing is a business, and it's make-believe. It's good while it last, but you have to respect the rules:
1. Enjoy it while it lasts.
2. If it goes down, let it slide.
3. Never give more information than you need to, and in particular not to a GDP.
4. NEVER EVER NEVER use your real name or anything that can be used to trace you down in real life.
peace
euro
D and D. Thanks for sharing this story with us. Like I read in many of the replies to your story, it happens to the best of them. Fortunately reading this board, I have managed to steer clear of being taken. But, like you, I have a girl that I was really in love with that I met back in 2006. On my three visits in 2006, 2007, and 2008 we spent a lot of time together. We did the whole GFE. Dinners, shopping, but nothing really extravagent. She loves designer clothes and handbags but never once has she ever asked me to buy her something. Maybe this is the reverse phsycology con. LOL. I've told her that I'd love to take her out of that life but she really seemed content doing what she was doing. She worked in England, Monte Carlo, and now Switzerland. I'd imagine she's making a mint over there. Here's what always stumps me. She knows when we're together that when i leave, i unload my wallet to her. But she has never asked me for anything at any other time. When i say unload my wallet, I don't mean that much. For a week i'll usually give her between $1000 -$1500. So I hadn't talked to her in a while and she was in Switzerland when I came to Rio in march, but somehow through Garotanet she found out I was in Rio which in itself is pretty funny. She sent me an E-mail the other day saying that she was homesick and wanted to get back to her family and her baby in Sao Paolo. She also told me that she's had enough of this business. She tells me she has no desire to move to the US. So pretty much that's where it ends I guess. I guess the point of my story is that it's easy to fall in love with a GDP in Rio. You just always have to be on your toes and second guess everything they do or say. To me, as soon as they start asking for money when you are not there, RUN!!!!
D and D. Thanks for sharing this story with us. Like I read in many of the replies to your story, it happens to the best of them. Fortunately reading this board, I have managed to steer clear of being taken. But, like you, I have a girl that I was really in love with that I met back in 2006. On my three visits in 2006, 2007, and 2008 we spent a lot of time together. We did the whole GFE. Dinners, shopping, but nothing really extravagent. She loves designer clothes and handbags but never once has she ever asked me to buy her something. Maybe this is the reverse phsycology con. LOL. I've told her that I'd love to take her out of that life but she really seemed content doing what she was doing. She worked in England, Monte Carlo, and now Switzerland. I'd imagine she's making a mint over there. Here's what always stumps me. She knows when we're together that when I leave, I unload my wallet to her. But she has never asked me for anything at any other time. When I say unload my wallet, I don't mean that much. For a week I'll usually give her between $1000.$1500. So I hadn't talked to her in a while and she was in Switzerland when I came to Rio in March, but somehow through Garotanet she found out I was in Rio which in itself is pretty funny. She sent me an E-mail the other day saying that she was homesick and wanted to get back to her family and her baby in Sao Paolo. She also told me that she's had enough of this business. She tells me she has no desire to move to the US. So pretty much that's where it ends I guess. I guess the point of my story is that it's easy to fall in love with a GDP in Rio. You just always have to be on your toes and second guess everything they do or say. To me, as soon as they start asking for money when you are not there, RUN! Lancer. Good advice. I had a GDP start asking me for money when I returned home. I cut that broad off like a fire hydrant. LOL. Fella's never second guess that little voice in your head telling you to "RUN FOREST RUN" Those GDP's don't have a pot to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in and a window to throw it out of, and they will try every trick in the book to get what you got.
Jamaicanceo
04-20-09, 21:53
What is wrong with you guys. Why would send your money to a prostitute, to not be a prostitute when your gone. How stupid can you guys be. Have fun with the girls and always have the upper hand. DONT MARRY A HOOKER! What is wrong with you. what are you going to tell your kids about her. I think everyone here has average smarts. You guys have been around. Your not rookies. What made you evolve into a sap. Never let them know you have alot of money. Lie about everything. I am the complete opposite of you guys. After i am with a girl the first time, i try to get a lower price the second time, even if i have the money. Alot of the girls are great people to be with but once you take it to the next level its over. They will take you for everything.the fantasy is alwaus better than reality.
99% of all females are hookers to some degree. Beyonce sings "if you want it put a ring on it," and garotas world-wide are singing. GDP is world-wide. And if you get wit any female anywhere, either she or the courts are going to try and f&^k you. I've never been married in 50 years, but ask men who have, and they will call the wife or ex-wife a *****.
If you make the mistake of falling in love with a GDP and later getting burned, it's important to look at the positive side of it and then just let it go. All of us who have had such an experience vary in exactly what we experienced, so I'll just use my own case as an example. I was involved with a GDP from 2000 to 2004 and made several trips to Rio primarily to see her. (I also visited the termas, of course without telling her, so it wasn't exclusively to see her.) I am embarrassed to admit that we talked about getting married and in fact considered ourselves engaged (or at least I did). Then she suddenly takes off for Italy--where she still is--to work as a prostitute in Bergamo and Milan, leaving me to feel like a fool. However, let's look at the bright side. What did I get out of that relationship? All of the following:
--4 years of great sex;
--never having to do anything alone, i.e., I always had a companion for dinner, movies, travel, and occasional concerts at Teatro Municipal;
--the experience of having a family, at least temporarily, since the last few times I visited I stayed at her place and got to know her kids, who I had a great time with;
--last but not least, the joy of being in love, even if it didn't last.
Now let's look at whether or not it was such a financial disaster. I never tallied up how much I spent on her, but I would estimate about US$15K. And I never counted how many times I had sex with her, but let's say it was 150 times (which I think is about right). So dividing the money spent by the number of fucks, it came to about US$100 per fuck. A bit steep if you're a frequenter of Vila Mimosa, but not so bad if you're used to the upscale termas. Bottom line: would I rather have had the experience, even having it end the way it did, than never to have had it at all? Yes, without a doubt. Will I ever forgive her? No. Will I ever make the same mistake again? No, because, although I have good GFE experiences with GDPs since then, I have learned never to trust. Ever.
That having been said, I have to disagree with a few things that have been said since DND posted. First of all, I totally disagree that he was wrong to expose this beeyutch for the lying phony that she was. It was she, not he, that got exactly what she deserved. I don't think any of you would think it was wrong to expose a con artist or a thief. Well, that's exactly what this girl was, so kudos to DND for exposing her publicly.
Finally, I can't see the harm in letting thr girl know your real name. In fact, I'm not really clear how it can be avoided, if you're going to write to each other. I've told every GDP I've ever been with my real name, and no harm has ever come from it. Just my two cents worth.
Lorenzo
Jamaicanceo
04-20-09, 22:10
last march i was sitting a ta after the cowbell rung from helpee, and i was talking to this 18 red dress wearing garota with her girlfriend kay kay (fucked them both), and this enlish speaking white guy came and sat his ass at the table uninvitd speaking portuguese to the young girl. she spoke no english by the way. kay kay was translating the fuck session process.
so i said to the gent, excuse me but i did not invite you to my table. and he looked at me and said, "i ave her cousin some money for a medical bill earlier today, and i didn't know she was a *****, and i want my money from them. " red flag! all the whilte was telling me that the girl was new to the scene, and she was a good girl, before this guy showed up. then he stormed off.
now i did fuck the dog snot out of the 18 year old ****. but my point is there is so much bs going on with garotas to get our foreigner money, if any sob story comes our way about babies, new houses, dying mother or dog, it's not our problem. brazilian men don't care about it, then why should we.
With a little Google knowledge you can trace down the website that D&D made "in honor" of the girl. (took me less than 30 seconds). On the front page there is a nice pic of her, and then there are 5 more on a second page.
Sperto said about D&D: "Your girl filed a criminal charge against you. You deserve that. You shouldn't have mentioned her name and home city on a public forum. That was hitting below the belt."
My first reaction was something like, oh fuck, man, Sperto, this is way to harsh. The man got hurt, and he just posted his experience here. But I must say now that I agree. The dedicated website is taking it a step too far.
Peace,
EuroWow, I've seen it also. In 3 languages?
D&D, get over it.
according to the pi that i spoke with, he does a good business there and a lot of comes from gringos with gdp girlfriends. i doubt he is rolling in cash, but i would bet he makes a comfortable living. i did pay him for a few hours of work and i can’t remember what it cost me but it was reasonable. i also remember it was well above what a brazilian would normally earn though.
someone asked my nationality and i am a us citizen. from the gdp’s i have talked to, americans are the #1 suckers, followed closely by the italians, but no nationality is exempt. i eventually found a list of e-mail addresses of men this girl was corresponding with and there were about 20 names on it; 50% from italy, maybe 30% from the us, 1 guy from mexico and the rest were rep001tered across europe. she seemed to have a preference for italian guys.
carrib, i am not sure about the statute of limitations in brazil, but in my case, charges have been filed, so it does not matter. if i enter brazil 20 years from now, i could be detained. i am in the process of retaining an attorney right now, as i want to have the charges thrown out. i have more than enough evidence to prove my statements about her are true and therefore not slander. but the charges were filed in brazil and she is brazilian and i am not. i doubt i would receive a 100% fair trial there, but i am pushing forward to defend myself anyway. one attorney told me it is possible to have charges dismissed prior to trial, so i am hoping for that. at a minimum, it will cost me $4,000 usd to have investigative work done and a motion filed to dismiss. if that doesn’t work though, it will take a lot more work and money to make this go away. i have spoken with someone at the department of state and he told me (strictly off record) that this is not an offense that would normally be considered grounds for extradition.
i have thought about just blowing this off but i really love brazil and want to continue to travel there. i’ve been in 20 to 25 different countries in asia, europe, africa, south america and central america, but i have never been to a place that i loved so much as brazil. from my first trip there, i fell in love with brazil and it had nothing to do with the gdp’s. my trips there were never about gdp’s. the scenery in brazil is stunning and the people are friendly. i never attempted to learn a foreign language until i went to brazil, and now i can speak portuguese, albeit barely. i can hold a conversation in portuguese and for anyone else that can do the same, you know this makes an enormous difference in how you are accepted there by regular citizens.
the point of my post was that you need to be careful with everything you do in brazil and elsewhere. this may be a hobby to the men who travel there, but it is a business for the gdp’s. while the vast majority of the gdp’s would not go so far as to file charges against you if there ends up being a conflict (or just for the hell of it), anything is possible. this hobby may be like playing russian roulette with a gun that holds 1,000 rounds. many men have written in this forum about problems with gdp’s and the police being summoned. just based on that, i guess the possibility always exists that she could file charges, baseless or not. more than likely though, if you have an issue with the gdp it will be over money and you are more than likely going to have to deal with the favela boys. personally, i’d rather deal with the police.
mr. bond, i know that all women are not the same, but because of this one experience, i am more cautious about who i allow into my life, even if only for a moment and this pretty much rules out gdp’s. i view them in a completely different light now. since i can speak portuguese well enough, this has opened up doors with the regular girls in brazil anyway and there is no reason for me to have to deal with gdp’s. i know even a regular girl may try to roll me, but i think the chances of that happening are less likely.
dried up, you are right this could happen anywhere, but because the gdp’s there are affectionate and offer more of a gfe experience, the possibility of it happening in brazil may be higher. for me, it was not even a gfe experience with her; not initially and not at any time after she entered my life. the truth is, she wasn’t even that good in bed. i thought i saw other qualities in her and that is what appealed to me.
chingon, sorry, but at the moment, i don’t want to post her pic here. the website that has her photos and info about her can only be found if you know her name. if someone else were to become personally involved with her, she would have to reveal her real name at some point to receive western union transfers or other financial transactions. i don’t know what other men do, but i always google names of people to see if there is any dirt on them. there are quite a few websites devoted to scammers and list the names of the girls in them. my point in having a website built specifically dedicated to her, was to insure the odds would be higher that someone could learn the truth about how she makes a living. although a website can be viewed by anyone in the world, the odds that anyone would see her site are astronomical unless you know her name.
so what you are saying is that because my income is above average that it makes it okay to target me for theft? i don’t agree with that and i do not deserve criminal charges against me. speaking the truth about someone, however hurtful, does not define slander. do you define what she did to me as hitting above the belt?
thanks to all that commented on this, including sperto. i’m not sure it warrants r.o. d. status but i hope it makes everyone think a little about how involved you get with a gdp. i have a friend recently who became involved with one and i tried to tell him to proceed cautiously. although she seemed like a really nice girl, he was spending a lot of money on her too soon into the relationship. he listened but disregarded and sure enough, a few months after he left brazil, she informed him she had become pregnant to another man. he’s a great guy and seemed to shrug it off, but i hope it did not cost him too much $$ or pain. even with all the warnings, there will still be a lot of guys who take the plunge. sure, it’s always possible it could work, but i want encourage everyone to go slowly. again, if you have to spend big bucks to stay in her life, you may be nothing more than a mark. i also wrote about meeting her family. a brazilian girl’s family is sacred; if you have met her family then you are truly part of her life. if not, proceed with extreme caution, because ahead, those ‘curves’ could be dangerous.
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i definitely co sign with you about meeting a girls family.if a gdp doesn't invite you to meet her family, i would be extremely cautious.
i feel bad you had to go through that experience. i hope everything works out. your words here are words of caution for all of us.
According to the PI that I spoke with, he does a good business there and a lot of comes from gringos with GDP girlfriends. I doubt he is rolling in cash, but I would bet he makes a comfortable living. I did pay him for a few hours of work and I can’t remember what it cost me but it was reasonable. I also remember it was well above what a Brazilian would normally earn though.
After reading this, maybe I really should consider giving it a try. I just got laid off from my job and I am headed to Rio for the next couple of months anyway. I should really look into what it takes to open this type of business.
One thing I know for sure, I am sure most Americans would feel more much comfortable dealing with another American instead of a brasilian man. I wouldnt be surprised in the least to find out that a bunch of the brasilian PIs are cutting a side deal (either for money or pussy) from the GDP, they are supposed to be tracking.
Side note. In the past couple of years, I have already helped about 6 different guys with this same problem. Guys from different boards who knew I was headed to brasil, next thing i know, i get a PM asking "Can you tell me if you see this girl in Help or MP". I have probably saved them tens of thousands of dollars by letting them know that their girl is still working .
One important thing: You made a TERRIBLE mistake. You thought that because a gilrl is a GDP, that she has no honor. That's not true. Even more, her honor is terribly important for her. Pride is CRUCIAL for brazilians in general and mentioning her name in public forums is what brought you to this situation.
If I were you, I'd still try to talk with her and try to amend things. Think: She's not some anglosaxon wife trying to get your last penny for alimony. She's a brazilian. And brazilians are different.Just to finish: I know this might sound crazy to most of you, but believe me, I know brazilians, I'm happily married to one (no, not a GDP).
About your case: She played her rules, you played your rules. You both got hurt. Talk to her and tell her it doesn't make sense for you two to keep destroying each other. You can still do a lot of damage to her. And she knows it.
Don't spend more money with lawyers, try to evolve from this experience. GDPs in Brazil don't have an easy life. Don't treat them like scum. They're human. They just have a different set of rules.
And above all, don't get sore with women and Brazil. They're great.
Dumb N Dumber
04-21-09, 01:11
Man, I am actually kind of shocked reading all these posts where you guys are saying this has either happened to you or someone you know. I knew it happened, but didn’t expect so many people to admit to it.
I had a chat with a Brazilian attorney friend of mine about your legal matter and (just like a typical lawyer) he says that without additional details he could never speculate on the merits of her case. However, all things being equal, she is in all likelihood launching a peremptory strike against any legal action you may be considering to take in the recovery of your $40k clams. He went on to say that while legal fees to clear you name may well exceed the value of the money lost, there's no guarantee that you will be any further ahead than if you do nothing. His advice was to lay low and stay under the radar. No judge wants to be associated with a case like this and the only people who have ANYTHING to gain is the lawyers. Don't throw good money after bad.Jake,
That is a really interesting comment you and your friend made. I occasionally exchange messages with one of her friends in Brazil. Sometimes I feed this girl info that I know will get back to my perp. I knew this girl had traveled to Italy to work as a prostitute and possibly to other countries in Europe as well. About 4 weeks ago I received a message from someone in the US who said she was ‘working’ in the US and he had seen her. I sent him 10 photos and he came back and said, yep, that’s definitely her. Now, if she wants to sell her ass in Brazil, there is nothing I can do about that. But after all this, if she thinks for one minute that she is going to shit in my backyard, she’s dreaming. I sent a message to her friend about some other things and mentioned I believed I had located her and if my information was correct, she would soon be in jail. 4 days later I received an e-mail from her attorney outlining the charges against me. I never really thought about a ‘preemptive strike’ but yes, that is probably spot on.
As far as laying low, I’d prefer not to do that. I love Brazil and want to continue to travel there. I’m fighting it and have a good chance of having it thrown out before it goes to trial. One attorney told me there is a process there called ‘excessão da verdade’ that they use to have cases dismissed. I believe that translates to something like ‘in excess of the truth’ but I’m not sure how it applies in a legal sense.
I have a lot of information I saved from my time with her (obrigado para Dues) that supports my statements that she is a prostitute. I’m not going to write too much here in the event her attorney is a monger and reads this forum! I’ve already told him I have more than enough information to back up my statements about her. I want to clear my name, but if I am not 100% certain I will receive a fair trial, no more trips to Brazil. That honestly would be a great loss in my life. The country and people are fantastic, but I hear the prisons are not.
El Austriaco I have not been served any papers. Yet. Her attorney sent me an e-mail with the case number and I went into the website in Brazil and looked it up; it’s legit. I had a hell of a time navigating a legal website in Portuguese, but I found the document. My Portuguese is what I call ‘conversational’ and I am having to learn new words. The legal document was sent to Interpol on April 6th and I expect to see it soon. But it is just the original court document, which I have already viewed online. I’m sure it is a formality that they have to deliver this and have me acknowledge receipt.
David68 I did read the forum extensively and knew about the girls having multiple boyfriends. That’s one of the things that makes what happened to me more exasperating. If you want me to describe my reason for attempting a relationship with her anyway, the only thing I can tell you is that I was stupid. I’m not stupid about other things in life, but I was definitely stupid with her. If there were a law against being stupid in Brazil, I’d be in prison for the rest of my life. I always considered myself a good judge of character, but now I know that needs some work. I am ashamed that I allowed someone to con me so badly. I don’t take your remarks as insensitive at all. I fucked up, what can I say?
Euro Before I started to comment on here I test googled any info that I had revealed either now or in my prior post. I did not turn up any info about her site and proceeded with my post. I just tried to PM you but it apparently requires a subscription, which I do not have. I would really like to know how you found it so I can try to defeat others from finding it. Random strangers’ reading that site was never my intent. Since I cannot PM you, I would appreciate it if you would click on the link for ‘comments’. It will give you an e-mail address to send me a message. Unfortunately, it takes my posts about 24 hours to appear, so I’m sure there will have been a run on attempts to find the site. That, I regret. I appreciate you not posting any more info here, thank you.
I know the site can be traced to me. I’ve admitted it to her attorney, in so many words. He knows I control it. Listen, I’m not proud of that site. It was never meant to cause harm to her, although I know it probably has. The sole purpose of the site is to warn others about her. And honestly, if you met her you would never believe one word I say. . Until she takes your money and runs. This is how she makes a living and she may be one of the best at this particular game. She was rolling an Italian guy before me, then she got me and when I finally figured out what was really going on, she simply moved on to another guy. If she were just prostituting herself, I would have nothing to say about her. I view prostitution as a transaction; two people negotiate a dollar amount for services provided and that’s it. You both know what is expected of the other person. But when someone feigns a relationship for the sole purpose of extracting money, then that to me is theft by deception. Does my site go too far? I don’t think so because it is factual. But it is extreme, that I will admit. I had posted a few hours before this that my intent on the site was to prevent other men from being taken in as I was. There are many sites that list volumes of scammers, but it can be hard to find one individual in all the data that is out there. This site circumvents that by being solely about her. If you know her name (or are Euro100) you can find info on her.
I want to tell you the last 2 incidents that occurred with her. This admission will clearly make me the ‘Dumber’ part of D&D, but with Euro’s comments, it is something I want to reveal. It’s just a glimpse of what she did to me, although they are probably the 2 most egregious acts. Some of this will be written as though I was aware of it at the time, but I actually did not learn about what happened in these 2 incidents until 3 or 4 months after they occurred. I’m just going to write it this way to shorten the story
I wrote about me traveling to Rio for my birthday. Well, about 4 days before I flew to Brazil for my b-day, she sent me a message and asked me for money, telling me she "didn’t have even one centavo. " I wired her $1, 000. She flew to Italy the next day.
So, when I tell her I knew she was really in Italy instead of Minas Gerais with her ‘sick’ sister, she waited almost 2 weeks to write to me. When she did, she wrote what appeared to be a sincere apology. She told me she wanted the opportunity to explain what happened. I was still in Rio when she returned and I met with her for about 2 hours. She again apologized profusely and told me she did not want to hurt me and that this Italian guy had offered to help her finish the construction on her mothers house ($10, 000 USD) and that once that was done, she was done with him and out of the biz. She encouraged me to think about our relationship again. I left Brazil and we exchanged messages for maybe 3 or 4 months. I had received a wake up call when I learned she went to Italy and told her I could not have a relationship with a prostitute. She said she understood and wanted to change. Our e-mails went from 1 every 3 or 4 weeks up to maybe 1 every 3 or 4 days. She told me she was giving what I told her a lot of thought. Then she wrote me a message and told me her brother had been severely electrocuted and was in the hospital in need of urgent care. ‘Dumber’ wires her $1, 000 USD. Four days later, she boarded a plane to Italy on her 1 year contract and I never heard from her again. No goodbyes, fuck you's, not a word. Just disappeared.
I know what I did was stupid, no doubt about it. But one person being stupid does not give someone else the right to steal from them.
Mr. Bond I left the door open for the last 20 months for her to talk. I hate what she did to me, but I do not hate her. Believe it or not, I still feel some compassion for the woman. It is easy for Americans to judge actions like this when our economic opportunities are so much better here. Having a difficult life is not a reason to steal from others, but it makes it more understandable why she would do it as everyone wants a better life. I grew up with little money, but I decided to make an honest living. It has taken me a long time to achieve a measure of success, but the opportunities in the US provided a way for me to do that. She didn’t have those same opportunities so she made her own. The prostitution I accept; the theft I do not.
The truth is that up until she filed these criminal charges against me, I would have settled for a sincere apology if it were accompanied by a truthful explanation. If she had offered that, the site would have been shut down. Now with this legal action, it is going to be impossible for me to accept an apology.
Lorenzo, thanks for your comments. And you’re right. I consider her the person who is responsible for all this. My experience has made me stronger, but probably different as well. I don’t allow people to get too far into my life now, but that can also have a detrimental effect as I spend most of my time alone. But I’m focusing on ‘me’ now and that is a good thing. I was just kind of rolling through life having a great time and now I am focusing on putting money in the bank for my future. Some day I’ll break out of this funk and I’ll at least have some money to enjoy myself with. I just hope I can continue to travel to Rio.
Thanks to all for your comments. Makes me feel a little better that I’m not the only dumb guy in the world.
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After reading this, maybe I really should consider giving it a try. I just got laid off from my job and I am headed to Rio for the next couple of months anyway. I should really look into what it takes to open this type of business.
One thing I know for sure, I am sure most Americans would feel more much comfortable dealing with another American instead of a brasilian man. I wouldnt be surprised in the least to find out that a bunch of the brasilian PIs are cutting a side deal (either for money or pussy) from the GDP, they are supposed to be tracking.
Side note. In the past couple of years, I have already helped about 6 different guys with this same problem. Guys from different boards who knew I was headed to brasil, next thing i know, i get a PM asking "Can you tell me if you see this girl in Help or MP". I have probably saved them tens of thousands of dollars by letting them know that their girl is still working .
Good idea!
Gruhmbards
04-21-09, 01:18
Dumb N Dumber,thank you for your very clarifying post. I am sorry to know you had such a bad experience.
I use to say that I always pay girls AFTER the service because actually I am paying them to LEAVE.
This is THE rule.
This girls are providers and they always should be considered that way!!! No exeptions!!!
The page you made about this girl is very easy to find, I have read it and made some consultations with my lawyer who also read it.
There are a few things that play against you in the way you state things: you state that she "robbed" you, and that is unaccurate as per your post.
She cheat you, but "robbing" implies some positice actions on her side that she didn't execute. Per your post I understand that you gave her the money with no cohersion or violence on her side. You also mention the word "stealing money".
Then you state: "I managed to read her e-mail account..," be aware that reading other person mail (paper or electronic) is a violation of law!
My lawyer says that this girl has nothing against you if this web page is the only thing she can use as proof.
In the remote case she goes to Justice and things go on (very low possibility) his advice is that the first and only thing to do is to claim jurisdiction.
This means that the web page is not stored or hosted on a Brazilian place (something that we are assuming as it doesnt end with .br) so there is no way to determine where the crime, if any, was commited.
If the server where the page is hosted is in the US, your beloved prostitute will need to initiate legal actions in the US.
Also he advised to delete that page ASAP.
Fell free to PM me (in portuguese if you want), my lawyer is also a monger will feel very happy to help (at no cost).
according to the pi that i spoke with, he does a good business there and a lot of comes from gringos with gdp girlfriends. i doubt he is rolling in cash, but i would bet he makes a comfortable living. i did pay him for a few hours of work and i can’t remember what it cost me but it was reasonable. i also remember it was well above what a brazilian would normally earn though.
someone asked my nationality and i am a us citizen. from the gdp’s i have talked to, americans are the #1 suckers, followed closely by the italians, but no nationality is exempt. i eventually found a list of e-mail addresses of men this girl was corresponding with and there were about 20 names on it; 50% from italy, maybe 30% from the us, 1 guy from mexico and the rest were rep001tered across europe. she seemed to have a preference for italian guys.
carrib, i am not sure about the statute of limitations in brazil, but in my case, charges have been filed, so it does not matter. if i enter brazil 20 years from now, i could be detained. i am in the process of retaining an attorney right now, as i want to have the charges thrown out. i have more than enough evidence to prove my statements about her are true and therefore not slander. but the charges were filed in brazil and she is brazilian and i am not. i doubt i would receive a 100% fair trial there, but i am pushing forward to defend myself anyway. one attorney told me it is possible to have charges dismissed prior to trial, so i am hoping for that. at a minimum, it will cost me $4,000 usd to have investigative work done and a motion filed to dismiss. if that doesn’t work though, it will take a lot more work and money to make this go away. i have spoken with someone at the department of state and he told me (strictly off record) that this is not an offense that would normally be considered grounds for extradition.
i have thought about just blowing this off but i really love brazil and want to continue to travel there. i’ve been in 20 to 25 different countries in asia, europe, africa, south america and central america, but i have never been to a place that i loved so much as brazil. from my first trip there, i fell in love with brazil and it had nothing to do with the gdp’s. my trips there were never about gdp’s. the scenery in brazil is stunning and the people are friendly. i never attempted to learn a foreign language until i went to brazil, and now i can speak portuguese, albeit barely. i can hold a conversation in portuguese and for anyone else that can do the same, you know this makes an enormous difference in how you are accepted there by regular citizens.
the point of my post was that you need to be careful with everything you do in brazil and elsewhere. this may be a hobby to the men who travel there, but it is a business for the gdp’s. while the vast majority of the gdp’s would not go so far as to file charges against you if there ends up being a conflict (or just for the hell of it), anything is possible. this hobby may be like playing russian roulette with a gun that holds 1,000 rounds. many men have written in this forum about problems with gdp’s and the police being summoned. just based on that, i guess the possibility always exists that she could file charges, baseless or not. more than likely though, if you have an issue with the gdp it will be over money and you are more than likely going to have to deal with the favela boys. personally, i’d rather deal with the police.
mr. bond, i know that all women are not the same, but because of this one experience, i am more cautious about who i allow into my life, even if only for a moment and this pretty much rules out gdp’s. i view them in a completely different light now. since i can speak portuguese well enough, this has opened up doors with the regular girls in brazil anyway and there is no reason for me to have to deal with gdp’s. i know even a regular girl may try to roll me, but i think the chances of that happening are less likely.
dried up, you are right this could happen anywhere, but because the gdp’s there are affectionate and offer more of a gfe experience, the possibility of it happening in brazil may be higher. for me, it was not even a gfe experience with her; not initially and not at any time after she entered my life. the truth is, she wasn’t even that good in bed. i thought i saw other qualities in her and that is what appealed to me.
chingon, sorry, but at the moment, i don’t want to post her pic here. the website that has her photos and info about her can only be found if you know her name. if someone else were to become personally involved with her, she would have to reveal her real name at some point to receive western union transfers or other financial transactions. i don’t know what other men do, but i always google names of people to see if there is any dirt on them. there are quite a few websites devoted to scammers and list the names of the girls in them. my point in having a website built specifically dedicated to her, was to insure the odds would be higher that someone could learn the truth about how she makes a living. although a website can be viewed by anyone in the world, the odds that anyone would see her site are astronomical unless you know her name.
so what you are saying is that because my income is above average that it makes it okay to target me for theft? i don’t agree with that and i do not deserve criminal charges against me. speaking the truth about someone, however hurtful, does not define slander. do you define what she did to me as hitting above the belt?
thanks to all that commented on this, including sperto. i’m not sure it warrants r.o. d. status but i hope it makes everyone think a little about how involved you get with a gdp. i have a friend recently who became involved with one and i tried to tell him to proceed cautiously. although she seemed like a really nice girl, he was spending a lot of money on her too soon into the relationship. he listened but disregarded and sure enough, a few months after he left brazil, she informed him she had become pregnant to another man. he’s a great guy and seemed to shrug it off, but i hope it did not cost him too much $$ or pain. even with all the warnings, there will still be a lot of guys who take the plunge. sure, it’s always possible it could work, but i want encourage everyone to go slowly. again, if you have to spend big bucks to stay in her life, you may be nothing more than a mark. i also wrote about meeting her family. a brazilian girl’s family is sacred; if you have met her family then you are truly part of her life. if not, proceed with extreme caution, because ahead, those ‘curves’ could be dangerous.
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do you have a pic of this girl?
Smooth Slim
04-21-09, 02:59
D&D thanks for the reminder that when in fantasy land remember it is fantasy land.
I understand your anger and hurt at being played. It happens almost everyone at some point in ways small and large.
It's good to remind others but your website devoted to her is probably what set her off. All she had to do was Google her name and she would find it. And it is still there.
If family or friends happened to Google her name she had some explaining to do about a lifestyle they many not know about.
As it was pointed out in early posts, it not hard to find, even if you don't know her name. And I would follow the earlier advice, and attempt to remove all traces of this from the web.
I wish you luck, and I hope she really didn't file charges against you. She has no case, not matter what a lawyer tells you. Your posts are truthful. She is probably threatening so you will take down the site.
Dumb N Dumber
04-21-09, 03:14
D&D, you can PM me, and I can explain to you how I found your information. Hopefully, this will help you to erase all traces leading to the girl and leading to you. Obviously, I do not want to post the details here.Euro, this was my first attempt at building a site, so I don’t know much about it. There is a way to insert hidden ‘keywords’ in your page content for search engines to pick up on when they crawl the web. I didn’t remember inserting anything specific, but I opened the site using the software I made the site with to check out what I did. I had zero keywords for the search engines, so there is nothing I can do to prevent people in ISG from searching for it. The search engines are picking up on words in the site content. I will assume that is what you were implying when you said trace content. This is an unintended development from my posts.
I can see where quite a few people have searched for the page using info gleaned from ISG, including someone in Jacksons neighborhood. Damn you guys are curious. I hope this fades as my posts become more dated.
Gfe Finder
04-21-09, 03:33
Do you have a pic of this girl?
Once again, Euro100 found one quickly (as did I.) I vacillated about joining in this discussion, but would ultimately agree with Euro100. Taking the website down ASAP would be the wisest course of action-- not because it defames the girl (I don't think that it does), but rather for reasons I don't want to go into here. My guess is that at this point, most everyone who should know about her already does. Those who don't and need to will find out another way, I'm sure.
Do you have a pic of this girl?
There are multiple pictures of this woman on the website that D&D made about her. The problem is, it is still hard to ID the girl in question with the pictures posted of her, because in all but one photo she is wearing large sunglasses, and in the other photo she has her eyes closed and doesn't even really look like the woman in the photos with sunglasses. Very odd.
After viewing the website that D&D made, something about this story doesn't seem right, but I can't quite put my finger on what it is.
D&D, you said in your posts here that you "spent" $40k on this woman, but then on your website you say she "robbed" you of $40K, so which is it, did she steal the money from you or did you spend it on her in the form of gifts, house payments, airline tickets, etc??? I don't think volunteering to pay someones bills (as you put it in post #8668) counts as them stealing from you? You even call her a "thief" on the photos section of your website, but again, what did she actually steal from you?? Besides your pride, of course.
After seeing your website, I can't blame her for filing charges against you for slander. Then again, I'm not sure what to believe of your story.
With a little Google knowledge you can trace down the website that D&D made "in honor" of the girl. (took me less than 30 seconds). On the front page there is a nice pic of her, and then there are 5 more on a second page.
I found it too, maybe not in 30 seconds, but in about 2 minutes. I won't post a link here lest I incur the wrath of all the would-be Sir Lancelots on this thread, but anyone can find it with a little effort. Clue: read Dumn N Dumber's first post.
Dum N Dumber: at least you got some very nice, but costly, pussy.
Damn I just found the webpage, you really put her out there.
Once again, Euro100 found one quickly (as did I.) I vacillated about joining in this discussion, but would ultimately agree with Euro100. Taking the website down ASAP would be the wisest course of action-- not because it defames the girl (I don't think that it does), but rather for reasons I don't want to go into here. My guess is that at this point, most everyone who should know about her already does. Those who don't and need to will find out another way, I'm sure.
i stil can't find it
[QUOTE=Ezinho]
After viewing the website that D&D made, something about this story doesn't seem right, but I can't quite put my finger on what it is.
D&D, you said in your posts here that you "spent" $40k on this woman, but then on your website you say she "robbed" you of $40K, so which is it, did she steal the money from you or did you spend it on her in the form of gifts, house payments, airline tickets, etc??? I don't think volunteering to pay someones bills (as you put it in post #8668) counts as them stealing from you? You even call her a "thief" on the photos section of your website, but again, what did she actually steal from you?? Besides your pride, of course.
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In D&D's defense. I understand where he is coming from and why he uses the term "robbed". When someone misleads you and fills your head with blatant lies, I completely understand why he feels the girl stole from him. By telling him that she loved him and promising a future life together when she knew all she was doing was milking him for cash, she is just as bad as a used car salesman.
I am glad he made a website devouted towards his experience, I wish we had a section on this site where we could out "The heart breakers".
Iluvthatwoman
04-21-09, 05:15
It is too bad that D&D had this bad experience. But, I can't help but think what did you think was going to happen?
The girls that we come in contact with, even the young sweet looking girls have experienced life at a hyper level. They have a different perspective on life than most women twice their age. They can not help but associate American and European men with money and nothing more. The Brazilian guys don't give them money like we do and they treat them like we treat women in our countries.
So why wouldn't a beautiful Brazilian woman who makes her money having sex with men try to get the most possible money from a man that is willing to give? Why wouldn't a woman ask for the world? It has always been my position that the women who make the most money make money NOT because they are beautiful but BECAUSE they give you the illuision that they love you. They know how to give the illiusion that they are having sex with you because she likes you and NOT because you agreed to her price.
This thing that we do can be great. But as D & D found out, if you don't treat it for what it really is you can dump a lot of good money after a REALLY bad investment!
[QUOTE=Ezinho]
After viewing the website that D&D made, something about this story doesn't seem right, but I can't quite put my finger on what it is.
D&D, you said in your posts here that you "spent" $40k on this woman, but then on your website you say she "robbed" you of $40K, so which is it, did she steal the money from you or did you spend it on her in the form of gifts, house payments, airline tickets, etc? I don't think volunteering to pay someones bills (as you put it in post #8668) counts as them stealing from you? You even call her a "thief" on the photos section of your website, but again, what did she actually steal from you? Besides your pride, of course.
[QUOTE]In D&D's defense. I understand where he is coming from and why he uses the term "robbed". When someone misleads you and fills your head with blatant lies, I completely understand why he feels the girl stole from him. By telling him that she loved him and promising a future life together when she knew all she was doing was milking him for cash, she is just as bad as a used car salesman.
I am glad he made a website devouted towards his experience, I wish we had a section on this site where we could out "The heart breakers".
Does anyone know the schedule for the bus that picks up at the airport & heads out to zona sul? Does it leave at a regular schedule or whenever they get a certain # of passengers? I'll be arrivng at 11am on a Sunday.
Dumb N Dumber,
I just found the site you have created. You're one mean filho da p**a.
You have put out the girls name, her home city Ouro Preto (which is quite a small city), several photos of her and accuse her of theft, lying and cheating.
IMO the girl is doing the right thing charging a file against you.
Speaking the truth about someone, however hurtful, does not define slander. Do you define what she did to me as hitting above the belt?
I have no doubt that she took advantage of you. We heard your story, but not hers. Who knows what happened during those 18 months? Maybe you didn't deserve her or mistreated her?
I know what I did was stupid, no doubt about it. But one person being stupid does not give someone else the right to steal from them.
I wouldn't call it stealing. You gave the money to her. Accepting money from a fool isn't a theft.
Believe it or not, I still feel some compassion for the woman.
Of course you do. That's why you created the site.
Why don't you put a photo of yourself on the site and your name as well?
Euro, this was my first attempt at building a site, so I don’t know much about it. There is a way to insert hidden ‘keywords’ in your page content for search engines to pick up on when they crawl the web. I didn’t remember inserting anything specific, but I opened the site using the software I made the site with to check out what I did. I had zero keywords for the search engines, so there is nothing I can do to prevent people in ISG from searching for it...
"Zero keywords" on your site?
You should change your name to "Dumb N Lying".
The keywords on your site says: "prostituta ladra brasile brazil belo horizonte accompagnatrici rio de janeiro escort perugia umbria rochester thief prostitute sociopath".
BTW, what about Rochester?
Gruhmbards
04-21-09, 07:13
Does anyone know the schedule for the bus that picks up at the airport & heads out to zona sul? Does it leave at a regular schedule or whenever they get a certain # of passengers? I'll be arrivng at 11am on a Sunday.Bus service departs every 30 minutes, runs between both airports, and further to Zona Sul continuing to Barra da Tijuca.
I don't remember the exact amount of ticket cost, but is arrounf US$ 5.
Does anyone know the schedule for the bus that picks up at the airport & heads out to zona sul? Does it leave at a regular schedule or whenever they get a certain # of passengers? I'll be arrivng at 11am on a Sunday.
Every half hour when I used them earlier this year. Schedule going back varies with traffic (though I'm told you can phone to see how far along the route they are). I think they tend to leave on the half hour or quarter hour from GIG but I'm not sure. Given the time variations with traffic, 15mins doesn't matter very much. No, they don't do the Indian trick of waiting for them to fill up.
No, don't get angry with Brasilian women -
a) it spoils your experience even further - much further
b) you won't win
c) it's like a big sign advertising how dumb you've been
The idea of a PI agency for gringos has a major flaw. Paying someone to kill you when you are investigating is just too cheap. And no-one is going to help a gringo PI against a tightly knit community.
If someone screws you, my own attitude it let honest people know - subtlely and without accusations. Making accusations can get you in hot water and without getting any results. The best way to get money back is to convince them that they made an honest mistake (even when they didn't). Getting angry just destroys your street cred, especially if you don't get anywhere (ex-boxers excluded).
Example (from March this year) -
I'd been frequenting a particular casa at Mimosa. I'd been through most of the girls there that fitted the body-type I especially like and one or two of the others. I made it my base for a few weeks (in terms of drinking and hanging out inbetween sessioning there and in other casas) even though their bar prices were slightly higher. There were no jealousies. Excellent vibe, with all the girls and the people behind the bar. Several of the girls were well chuffed that I gave them some carnaval photos of their favourite school.
One girl in particular had a great chemistry with me. One one occasion she comes twice (which I put down to her skill rather than just me being nice). When they wind her up about running way over time, and ask if she was enjoying herself, she gives an emphatic 'yes' so we will be left in peace.
Except the bar person had recently changed. Friendly girl but, no doubt about it, a big fat dyke. That night, it comes on to downpour. About 2 or 3am I decide to make a run for it to Praca Bandeira. I wave goodnight as I pass the casa, as was my usual. Fat dyke woman comes after me with a big smile saying I've forgotten to pay for some drink. I don't think I have, but it's pelting down and I'm getting drenched, so I think for the sake of 3R I don't care. No, she says, it was four drinks. I am pissed off but stuff an extra 10R into her hand to get away figuring I'll straighten it tomorrow.
Now I never run up a tab. Ever. I mostly consume soft drinks. I knew exactly how many drinks I'd bought, including one for a girl and one for fat dyke. I was wondering if someone had been cheeky and claimed I'd agreed to pay for drinks.
Next night, I take a pen and paper and list the drinks I had and when to fat dyke. She says I forgot to pay when I went for boom-boom. No way. Forgot to pay for which drinks? And, for someone who had been around for hours, in and out of the bar, she had never asked me to settle up till I left in the rain?? She didn't have an answer but stuck to her story. Moreover she told everyone of the girls in the bar. One of them tried to signal me, but it was obvious there was no way they were allowed to disagree.
I left it a few days. I figured, I'm well liked and respected there. I have never given any reason to think that I would chisel them for 12R. Dyke girl is new. Who do they really believe?
A week later, dyke girl is gone for good. (Straightforward business sense?)
Another example (for those of you who read of how I got robbbed - yes robbed, not beguiled into GIVING someone money). I went back to the casa with a stern face and asked after the girl I believed responsible. She wasn't there. I said to the other girls that she was a big safada, but it was obvious from my expression that I meant something else. I asked the casa number and asked who worked there regularly. I repeated my comments to her face when she returned. She gave an unconvincing performance of not knowing what I was talking about. But I think everyone else did.
Believe me, I've tried other tactics. Even another Brasilian who is not a carioca would likely be up against it if they accused a local. If you've got a lot of friends and a lot of money, you can maybe - just maybe - get locals to do something for you if they are convinced by hard evidence and morally outraged. At best, I've had a doorman 'negotiate' a middle figure when I got into an argument with some Karla duplas over taxi money due. Brasilians like resolutions where everybody stays at least a little bit happy. Bondjamesbond gave excellent advice.
If your story is true, sorry but you are a fool twice over: Firstly for being fucked over by the girl for 18 months, and secondly for trying to get revenge publicly on the website you created to 'out' her - which will fuck you over for the rest of your life.
PS - a quick search shows you made a similar post nearly a year ago. Hmmm.
I contacted the escort agency http://www.viprj.com.br/ to ask how much their girls were and this was their reply:
"The rates are so diferent, we have girls for R$600,00; R$1.000,00; R$2.000,00 depend on the ladies and the services."
That seems super expensive! Is this the norm for Brazil?
The idea of a PI agency for gringos has a major flaw. Paying someone to kill you when you are investigating is just too cheap. And no-one is going to help a gringo PI against a tightly knit community.
This is funny, I was just talking about this with a Rio veteran. He said the biggest problem would be people selling me out to the garotas. I wouldnt be surprised if the guy who paid me to find out about his girl would go back and tell her exactly who he paid to trail her.
My friend and I were trying to figure out the best way to get around this problem. How could I do the work clandestine from both the GDP and the paying customer? Maybe hire a secretary or a middle man, so the monger never meets me directly.
Right now I am still in the brain storming aspect, but i truly believe that this would be a very lucrative business. There must be dozens if not hundreds of guys from all over the world, who are sending money to a GDP in brasil. Like I said before, I have already helped 6 different guys with thier GDPS, thats 10 Grand I could have made!!!
Jamaicanceo
04-21-09, 09:40
Damn you guys are curious. I hope this fades as my posts become more dated.What the fuck! You posted your info for a purpose, right. You wanted to put her on blast and now you'e whining because the forum is curious. I think you are a professional victim and naive person. You gave the garota gifts, and she would've been a fool not to take them. Lesson, "For every action, there my be an opposite and equal reaction. " The givers and the takers.
Long time lurker, thought I'd add my two cents. I saw the site as well.
First off, sorry you had to go through that DD. That really sucks. I hope you don't get too jaded from this experience, chalk it up as a learning experience. In the big picture, you made out good. You lost 40 large, but it sounds like you're doing pretty well if you've traveled to over 25 countries and can afford to drop 40k like that. 40k is a lot of cash, but at the same time, it's just money. How many months does it take you to make 40k? Two months? Four months? You get the idea. You came out of this with no marriage, no kids, a lot wiser. Can you imagine if she was just a bit savvier and you never found out and the married her one day? You'd be looking at a lot more than 40k, I think. It sounds like it may cost you to go back to Brazil in the future, but that's not that big of a deal IMO. Like someone else advised, lay low for a while.
It is my opinion DD was really emotionally invested. Think about it. Why would he drop 40k, why would he put out this site that doesn't help him, can only hurt him (which is exactly what happened). It's one thing to drop 2-3k on a chick, fly back to see her, then find out after 3-6 months. 18 months, 40k. That is definitely harsher IMO. With that being said, DD, just a thought. How does what happened to you any different from a man marrying a woman, giving his wife everything emotionally and financially for 20 years, then find out she was cheating on him, then her taking half of all his assets and half of all his future earnings? When put in that context, it's not THAT bad. You'll be okay.
There have been a few posts lately where the actions of DD have been met with disdain. Personally, I don't think there's a right and wrong here, it comes down to what your philosophy/worldview is toward what the girl did. Many (probably most) would view her actions as nothing to write home about really. She didn't break any laws, she certainly didn't rob him. She did what all the GDPs do, she told him what he wanted to hear, lied to him, etc etc. This happens all the time, maybe not to the tune of 40k, but you get my point.
A few others may believe what she did to string him a long for that much and for that long was extremely unethical. Reading over that last sentence is in many ways comical. Talking about ethical standards when it comes to GDPs and money. It makes me think of a comment I heard from a girl I met at a hostess club. We became friends and I asked her one day why she lies so much about everything. She exclaimed, "How could I make any money if I didn't lie? " It's not the same thing, but you get my point I hope.
In some ways, what happened to DD is no different from meeting someone who pitches a business venture to you. You end up giving him 40k cash with no written contract within the first week or month you meet him. It turns out to be a total scam, and he takes off. He didn't break any laws, he didn't 'steal' your money, he snookered you, period. Is he to blame for being so callous or are you to blame for being so dumb? IMO, I think what DD went through is way more painful because he was emotionally involved. Hence the website. Hurt, which manifests itself into anger. I truly believed DD really cared and loved her really invested his heart into her. After all, if he didn't really care about her and she was a just another b*tch, I don't think he would have put that site up. It could only hurt him more. Personally, when a man is this hurt, I make concessions to him. It definitely wasn't smart for him to put that site up, but when you're hurt that bad, sometimes you just stop thinking rationally and just want retribution.
I know most of you will disagree with me, but I have no sympathy for that girl. What she did was, although standard protocol in the P4P world, is still deplorable. I'm not saying I wouldn't do that if I was her. Hell if I grew up like her in her environment I'm sure I would have done the same thing. In that sense it's not fair for me to judge her since I didn't grow up and experience the things she went through to make her the person she is today. But I will say this. She deserved whatever is coming to her. She f*cks with a guy to this extent, no sh*t if he is a man with any kind of pride or has any kind of ego he will lash out. Because of her actions, any dude she dates or marries in the future, gringo or not, if someone googles her name, they will learn she is a p*ta. If any of your family googles your name, if your kid googles your name, they will all learn you are a p*ta. She made her bed and will have to sleep in it. For many, this is not fair for her. For me personally, she deserves it 100% for playing him like that.
Again, I understand most of you think she did nothing wrong. I'm just saying treat people the way you want to be treated, with respect and decency. If you mistreat someone, and you're mistreated back, you had it coming. Just like DD had it coming when he was dumb enough to pony up with that much dough, she too had it coming with her deception.
Sorry this post was this long. I was in Rio a month ago, will be going back later this year. Thank you everybody for all the posts, it definitely has been a learning experience.
PS DD. If you really love Brazil that much, you should think about (I'm not saying to do it) making a deal with her or her attorney where you agree to take down the site if she drops all charges. That site, which was the cause of all these legal problems, may ironically also be your way out of this mess. As I mentioned earlier, if the site stays up, anytime anyone googles her name (boyfriends, husband, family, kids), they will learn she is a pu*a. For the rest of her life. She should realize the ramifications of this and if she was smart, she would agree to your proposition. If you really want to play hardball, part of the agreement would be for her to send you a check for the little time your attorney spent/charged you to write up this settlement.
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D&D,
Just because we are all engaged in this conversation in no way means that I am entitled to lecture you.
Now that I have that lie out of the way, let me begin my lecture.
After rushing home from work to read the next chapter in this soap opera I was not dissapointed. Very interesting reading, and by your writing I can assume you are somewhat booksmart. But don; t you think that maybe this has spun out of control? You may have legal issues in a foreign country. I would be doing some serious introspection if I was ever in the position where I could not enter a certain country for fear of legal action.
Now that website. What are the actual chances that it would actually benefit someone other you help you assuage your anger? No one is going to randomly stumble on that site and say "Oh my god! There she is! "
I am actually surprised by the number of guys here who said they have been takin also. Damn. This was like the day I found out there was no Santa Clause.
Anyway, I would never defend a puta who took advantage of someone. No matter what her circumstances. Right is right. But by going over the top you have sucessfully turned the villain into the victim, and vice versa. (not in my eyes though) Close that chapter of your life and look at it as a VERY expensive lesson.
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If your story is true, sorry but you are a fool twice over: Firstly for being fucked over by the girl for 18 months, and secondly for trying to get revenge publicly on the website you created to 'out' her - which will fuck you over for the rest of your life.
PS - a quick search shows you made a similar post nearly a year ago. Hmmm.
When I first read Dumb N Dumber’s report I did the same thing as you. I checked his first post. Something about the story struck me as odd.
I have been trying to figure out a way to learn who this man is and warn him. He is about to get taken for the ride of his life. But all I know is that he is a man from Italy. When I left Rio a few days ago, I noticed there are many Italians there right now. I’m hoping someone may know this man and have a way to contact him and warn him. I have a detective trying to learn his identity right now and it is possible I have a lead. But I won’t know for 3 to 10 days.
Who goes to the extreme of hiring a detective to hunt down another man living in another country just to warn him about a prostitute? Gee, what a nice guy you are.
Random strangers’ reading that site was never my intent.
I can see where quite a few people have searched for the page using info gleaned from ISG, including someone in Jacksons neighborhood. Damn you guys are curious. I hope this fades as my posts become more dated.
You went through the time, effort and expense of purchasing a domain, host account and building a website with photos and all. You post your experience here on ISG and you are now surprised guys are finding and reading the website? I mean wasn’t that your purpose for creating the website?
I must agree with Sperto, Piper1, Ezinho & Euro100. I also found your website dedicated to this women. Small wonder she is suing you. If this story is true, I understand the pain she caused you by stealing you heart, but the money you gave to her.
There are multiple pictures of this woman on the website that D&D made about her. The problem is, it is still hard to ID the girl in question with the pictures posted of her, because in all but one photo she is wearing large sunglasses, and in the other photo she has her eyes closed and doesn't even really look like the woman in the photos with sunglasses. Very odd.
After viewing the website that D&D made, something about this story doesn't seem right, but I can't quite put my finger on what it is.
D&D, you said in your posts here that you "spent" $40k on this woman, but then on your website you say she "robbed" you of $40K, so which is it, did she steal the money from you or did you spend it on her in the form of gifts, house payments, airline tickets, etc??? I don't think volunteering to pay someones bills (as you put it in post #8668) counts as them stealing from you? You even call her a "thief" on the photos section of your website, but again, what did she actually steal from you?? Besides your pride, of course.
After seeing your website, I can't blame her for filing charges against you for slander. Then again, I'm not sure what to believe of your story.
Ezinho, I couldn’t have said it better. D&D stated that this women took him for $40K. After things go bad he hired a detective to research her and some guy from Italy name Mario, so he could warn Mario about her. He created a website dedicated to her for wronging him where he states Mario was in the picture all along. He is now going to pay an attorney to represent him in a slander case, so he can continue to visit Brasil. All that and he didn’t think to buy a subscription to ISG to see if maybe someone has posted a photo of his love? Although it really doesn't matter since, he was aware she was a prostitute. All I can say is that he has more money than brains. He certainly picked an appropiate screen name.
Whether this story is true or not, one thing is for sure. It certainly made interesting reading. Probably would make a good movie.
RonnyRon
Dumb N Dumber,
I just found the site you have created. You're one mean filho da p**a.
You have put out the girls name, her home city Ouro Preto (which is quite a small city), several photos of her and accuse her of theft, lying and cheating.
IMO the girl is doing the right thing charging a file against you.
I have no doubt that she took advantage of you. We heard your story, but not hers. Who knows what happened during those 18 months? Maybe you didn't deserve her or mistreated her?
I wouldn't call it stealing. You gave the money to her. Accepting money from a fool isn't a theft.
Of course you do. That's why you created the site.
Why don't you put a photo of yourself on the site and your name as well?
"Zero keywords" on your site?
You should change your name to "Dumb N Lying".
The keywords on your site says: "prostituta ladra brasile brazil belo horizonte accompagnatrici rio de janeiro escort perugia umbria rochester thief prostitute sociopath".
BTW, what about Rochester?
Is the site down?
I couldn't find the site.
We all know plenty of cases of generous patronage. Although most of us baffle at the naivety of some, there are plenty out there who know what their gdp namoradinhas do. A Montecarlo pro whose picture featured recently in the photo section enjoyed for over a year the weekly donations (1000e) of an italian donor to keep her off Help and restrict her activities to the terma. She did fulfill that end of the bargain but this did not stop her doing PFs (programa por fora) with Montecarlo clients every night. She received a call every night at 3 am from him to ensure she was home. I know this for a fact as on 4 separate occasions she had her mouth full when we listened to the sweet nothings of her "amore" on the speakerphone of her cellphone. She did have feelings for him though and never crossed her mind that she was betraying his trust. I (and the others) were just work. Their ethical standards are simply different.
One of the top girls at L uomo receives monthly payments from 3 latin donors. She is happily married to a local (on a minimum salary of 500r) who chooses to believe that wifey manages to pay for the building of a family home at Baixada on her nannie's salary.I am told her patrons know of her personal situation and somehow hope that she will leave hubbie to go an live with them in Italy
Gfe Finder
04-21-09, 12:41
Is the site down?
I couldn't find the site.
Looks to be. Maybe Dumb N Dumber got Smart N Smarter? ;)
D&D, I forgot that you are not a senior member and thus cannot receive or send PMs. I would suggest you shell out the $20 to buy senior membership on this site. This will enable you to send and get messages. After all the money you have spent to get into this mess, perhaps sending $20 to Jackson to help you get out of it is a good idea.
I see that you have made an attempt to remove your website, but you have not nearly been thorough enough. There is more for you to do, and you should do it fast ...
euro
D&D, I forgot that you are not a senior member and thus cannot receive or send PMs. I would suggest you shell out the $20 to buy senior membership on this site. Or he can just use his real username instead. ;)
Dumb N Dumber
04-21-09, 16:36
I hear all the criticism from some of you guys and it has given me some pause in this, but ultimately, I know I am right in my statements about her. There are really only 2 people on the planet that know all the details of what happened between this girl and myself. It is easy to criticize when you were not directly involved and when you do not know all of the facts. I don’t blame anyone that has written critically about my actions. I welcome the dialog and it does make me think about all this. Although I had tried to look at this from every conceivable angle before, your criticism and comments have given me some different perspectives and I find that helpful. And although there have been a few terse comments, you guys are at least keeping it civil and I respect, and am listening to your criticism because of that.
When I posted about this a few days ago, I just wanted to warn people to be very careful should they attempt a relationship with a GDP. I never expected this to turn into such a hot topic. I honestly figured most people would read my post and move on to the next one. It sounds as though a lot of you guys have been there and done that, but to those that haven’t, I hope this discussion will give them reason to proceed more cautiously should they think about getting involved with a GDP.
Because of all the unintended exposure, I have temporarily removed the site. It was never my intent to have people who are not directly involved in her life see the site. There were about 50 visitors to the site over the last 24 hours; normally it takes 6 months to see that type of traffic. As far as the keywords, they must have been in there somewhere, but when I looked at the site, I could not find them. I am an absolute novice at building WebPages, and I made quite a few copies. I know some of my attempts included keywords, but I honestly thought the one I published did not. I was wrong, obviously. I wasn’t trying to be deceptive; I just didn’t realize which ones were published. That was my mistake and I apologize for it.
Someone commented about her family seeing the site and becoming aware of her ‘work.’ Her family was well aware of her ‘work’ and I spoke with her mother and sister several times by phone regarding this. I talked to her mom and sis about trying to help get her out of it, but to no avail. Working in this manner seems to be somewhat acceptable to family members in Brazil. I doubt they like it any more than the GDP’s but it does help elevate their standard of living. It is hard to find fault with someone else’s ‘job’ when they are putting a roof over your head and food on your table. I said before, I understand why she ‘worked’ in this manner; she wanted a better future. But what she did to me falls way above prostitution.
Talk to her and tell her it doesn't make sense for you two to keep destroying each other. You can still do a lot of damage to her. And she knows it.
Don't spend more money with lawyers, try to evolve from this experience. GDPs in Brazil don't have an easy life. Don't treat them like scum. They're human. They just have a different set of rules.
And above all, don't get sore with women and Brazil. They're great.
Mr. Bond, I left the door open with her to discuss what happened for the entire time after she disappeared. The legal action in Brazil will complicate matters for us to resolve this ourselves, but it still may be possible. I wrote to her attorney and told him that although this may run through the courts in Brazil, ultimately there are only 2 people who can resolve this. You know any time lawyers get involved, all they do is complicate things. When I went through my divorce with my ex-wife, we discussed getting attorneys and decided to at least try to work out division of property between ourselves before we went to guns. We didn’t have kids, so that obviously made it a lot easier. We sat down over 2 days and crafted an agreement regarding our property, filed the divorce papers ourselves and both of us lived up to our agreement and then some. We are still friends to this day. I think it would have been a very different story if we had attorneys involved.
I don’t want to destroy her life. I doubt she intended to destroy mine either, but I don’t think she is capable of understanding how harmful her actions can be to others. I have given a great deal of thought about what happened to me and tried to understand why one person would harm another like this. I am only one person so I know this is only MY opinion, but based on what I saw her do to myself, the man before me and the man after me, she fits the definition of a sociopath to a ‘T’. But that is only my opinion and I know it.
Although this experience with her has caused a great deal of pain in my life, it has made me wiser and in some ways stronger person. I guess I was just lucky in my relationships before, even the ones that were just casual, and I just never encountered someone like her before. My relationships were what I would call normal; the occasional arguments, but nothing really heated. No one ever used me, at least to my knowledge. If they did, it would have had to have been on a level I never detected. I knew people like this existed, but I guess I just figured my lifestyle and the types of people I associated with kept me immune from harm. I never saw this coming. Now I realize I probably had either my guard down, or had none at all. It’s up full force now and will probably remain that way through the rest of my life. I no longer trust my ability to spot a human wrecking ball.
When she was involved in my life, I viewed her as no different from my mother or sister; I have mentioned that before. I think she despises the site but not me. I despise what she did to me, but not her, and I hope that someday she finds true happiness in her life. Despite what she did to me, there are some things that I admire about her. She has dedicated her life to taking care of her mother and she helps other family members as well. Her mom has some serious health problems and has been unable to work for the last few years. This girl essentially supported her mother completely, including buying land and building her a house. Although I wish she had found another way to get the money to do this, it is impossible to find fault in this and I have great admiration for her dedication to her family. If you remove how she obtained the money to help her mother, she is a role model for all daughters. How many people sacrifice their bodies and mind to help their families?
Mr. Bond, I love Brazil and have found non GDP’s to be very sweet in general. Brasileiras area SO much better than American women. But it is not just the women who are warm and friendly in Brazil. I’m shocked at how many guys (not gay) talk to me about my travels there, offer assistance if needed, and tell me to enjoy my stay. I love the Brazilian lifestyle. I joke with them about soccer being the #2 national pastime, right behind being late. That used to irritate the crap out of me when I first started traveling there, until I realized they were not being rude, the Brazilians just realize the world is not going to stop turning if they don’t show up on time. I love their casual approach to life and think there is a lot to be learned from it.
Gruhmbards, thanks for your advice and offer to help. The legal action has already been set in motion, but some of the advice you offered will need to be taken. I’ll explain in a PM, but super stuff from your advogado. And my PM will be in English, unless of course you need a good laugh. Give me some time to get back to you.
I’m going to try to refrain from commenting too much more about this. My original intent was to post a warning to others; not to expose her to the public and I am truly sorry that has happened. I appreciate everyone’s opinions and candor. I never intended this to turn into a discussion, but it has actually helped me gain new perspectives and that may eventually help bring this to a resolution.
Thanks to all.
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The easiest way to make 100k, is to get 10 dollars from 10k people. The best way to make 100k in brazil is to find 10 dumb gringos to give you 10k each. Remember that advice when she asks for money when your home. Spend money on her when your with these girls. Blow it all: movies shows concerts clubs. Thats the point, but never send money or outright give her a large sum when your there. I had a girl from 4x4 who loved to give me a rim job. God bless her heart. She was a sex hound. She could do things with her mouth that 3 of sperto's girls couldn't do at the same time. I spent money on her when I was at 44. I bought a big room. At least an hour everytime. We pigged out on food and drinks. Whatever she wanted. Red bull blue bull I didn't care. Anyway, when it was the last night, she was telling me how she needed money for her sick mother. She needed a operation. Blah blah. As sweet as this girl was- she tried. I can't blame her for trying to see if I would bite. I didn't give her anything. I enjoyed spending all that money on her at 44. I was glad she made extra money for the big room and the extra time. She gave great service. BUTwhen I'm home, you get nothing. Thats the rule. Follow the rule always.
FTR
My regular girl just told me that it has always been a fantasy of hers to fuck on a beach. I am assuming that since she shared that with me, she wants me to make that fantasy come true. Now I know there is no fucking way possible to have sex on Copa or Ipanema beach!!
I need suggestions from the board on where i can make this happen. I was thinking of Recreio because I know that beach is really deserted. However, neither one of us owns a car and I am kinda scared of getting stuck out there, since there are no cabs and the buses run sparingly.
I dont really want to have to travel all the way out to Buzios or Arraial, so i need ideas on a beach locally. Help me out fellas!! (maybe I should have posted this on the non GDP section)
My regular girl just told me that it has always been a fantasy of hers to fuck on a beach. I am assuming that since she shared that with me, she wants me to make that fantasy come true. Now I know there is no fucking way possible to have sex on Copa or Ipanema beach!!
I need suggestions from the board on where i can make this happen. I was thinking of Recreio because I know that beach is really deserted. However, neither one of us owns a car and I am kinda scared of getting stuck out there, since there are no cabs and the buses run sparingly.
I dont really want to have to travel all the way out to Buzios or Arraial, so i need ideas on a beach locally. Help me out fellas!! (maybe I should have posted this on the non GDP section)You can Find the "blanket of invisibilty" on mount Olympus!!
My regular girl just told me that it has always been a fantasy of hers to fuck on a beach. I am assuming that since she shared that with me, she wants me to make that fantasy come true. Now I know there is no fucking way possible to have sex on Copa or Ipanema beach!!
I need suggestions from the board on where i can make this happen. I was thinking of Recreio because I know that beach is really deserted. However, neither one of us owns a car and I am kinda scared of getting stuck out there, since there are no cabs and the buses run sparingly.
I dont really want to have to travel all the way out to Buzios or Arraial, so i need ideas on a beach locally. Help me out fellas!! (maybe I should have posted this on the non GDP section)
If you go to a secluded beach, you and your namorada will be sitting ducks for ladroes. Forget about it!
ChicoBarca
04-21-09, 22:25
Sorry but that's just one experience. Don't try to make a general rule out of your personal experience. I'm sure it hurts. I'm sure she didn't treat you fair. And have all my sympathy but.
Saying that all women are just the same, is not very different from saying that all GDP are are just the same. They are not. They are different. Believe me. I also have had my experiences.
In the end love, money and sex are very complex issues. There are no rules.I'm sorry to read your story man, but this is not an unique story. I have read several simular stories since I became a member here. I can just say. NEVER ever NEVER send money to GDP's. No matter how nice or how great sex you have, the majority of the GDP's are just like that. I say the majority. Not all. A friend have a simular experience, not the same but simular. And other friend at this forum once said. And I totally agree: you can take the girl from the street, but you can't take the street from the girl. I wish you luck and hope it works out for you.
Chicobarca
you really deserve what you got.
paying for 18months, not meeting her family, want to marry a gdb from brazil, from helpeee. omg.
from reading your posts, the story itsself, seeing the webpage and the aftermath. you say you had some contact afterwards and i think that you have pressured her at the end to whatever, perhaps a relation or giving back the money or a appology or just getting satisfaction by denouncing her infront of her friends, i don't know how long. you surley seem to be a drama queen, you started telling her friends and other gdp's what she did. and then she at a certain point reacted! filled a lawsuit agains you. and now you are afraid,
and then trusting other gdp and getting and submitting information through them to her and trying to reach out to her italian boyfriend/victim/whatever, hey, haven't your learned anything? and you say you are a smart businessman? what are you into? a ceo at gm?
man, forget the issue, contact her lawyer and find some common ground, where you and her can live in peace.
you can visit your beloved brazil
she can earn her money
sounds like a real divorce. war of the roses.
start a new life
regards,
vandeta
ps: this is for me just an example how you have to read through all posts and the judge. at first when i read d&d post, i felt sorry for him. after seeing his reactions i feel sorry for this garota. any information how to contact her? i really need to help this little *****!
D and D, Let me also warn you about other scams. If somebody wants to buy something from you on the internet and offers you more than the asking price and he wants you to wire him the difference to nigeria, that is a scam. Really it is. Other scams. If someone promises you 100% on your money in a few months, that is also a scam. If a girl wants to marry you and won't sign a prenup because she believes in eternal love. She will take you for half. Remember these things for the rest of your life. If you have any other questions about scams, please feel free to post here and we will tell you yay or nay.
I hear all the criticism from some of you guys and it has given me some pause in this, but ultimately, I know I am right in my statements about her. There are really only 2 people on the planet that know all the details of what happened between this girl and myself. It is easy to criticize when you were not directly involved and when you do not know all of the facts. I don’t blame anyone that has written critically about my actions. I welcome the dialog and it does make me think about all this. Although I had tried to look at this from every conceivable angle before, your criticism and comments have given me some different perspectives and I find that helpful. And although there have been a few terse comments, you guys are at least keeping it civil and I respect, and am listening to your criticism because of that.
When I posted about this a few days ago, I just wanted to warn people to be very careful should they attempt a relationship with a GDP. I never expected this to turn into such a hot topic. I honestly figured most people would read my post and move on to the next one. It sounds as though a lot of you guys have been there and done that, but to those that haven’t, I hope this discussion will give them reason to proceed more cautiously should they think about getting involved with a GDP.
Because of all the unintended exposure, I have temporarily removed the site. It was never my intent to have people who are not directly involved in her life see the site. There were about 50 visitors to the site over the last 24 hours; normally it takes 6 months to see that type of traffic. As far as the keywords, they must have been in there somewhere, but when I looked at the site, I could not find them. I am an absolute novice at building WebPages, and I made quite a few copies. I know some of my attempts included keywords, but I honestly thought the one I published did not. I was wrong, obviously. I wasn’t trying to be deceptive; I just didn’t realize which ones were published. That was my mistake and I apologize for it.
Someone commented about her family seeing the site and becoming aware of her ‘work.’ Her family was well aware of her ‘work’ and I spoke with her mother and sister several times by phone regarding this. I talked to her mom and sis about trying to help get her out of it, but to no avail. Working in this manner seems to be somewhat acceptable to family members in Brazil. I doubt they like it any more than the GDP’s but it does help elevate their standard of living. It is hard to find fault with someone else’s ‘job’ when they are putting a roof over your head and food on your table. I said before, I understand why she ‘worked’ in this manner; she wanted a better future. But what she did to me falls way above prostitution.
Mr. Bond, I left the door open with her to discuss what happened for the entire time after she disappeared. The legal action in Brazil will complicate matters for us to resolve this ourselves, but it still may be possible. I wrote to her attorney and told him that although this may run through the courts in Brazil, ultimately there are only 2 people who can resolve this. You know any time lawyers get involved, all they do is complicate things. When I went through my divorce with my ex-wife, we discussed getting attorneys and decided to at least try to work out division of property between ourselves before we went to guns. We didn’t have kids, so that obviously made it a lot easier. We sat down over 2 days and crafted an agreement regarding our property, filed the divorce papers ourselves and both of us lived up to our agreement and then some. We are still friends to this day. I think it would have been a very different story if we had attorneys involved.
I don’t want to destroy her life. I doubt she intended to destroy mine either, but I don’t think she is capable of understanding how harmful her actions can be to others. I have given a great deal of thought about what happened to me and tried to understand why one person would harm another like this. I am only one person so I know this is only MY opinion, but based on what I saw her do to myself, the man before me and the man after me, she fits the definition of a sociopath to a ‘T’. But that is only my opinion and I know it.
Although this experience with her has caused a great deal of pain in my life, it has made me wiser and in some ways stronger person. I guess I was just lucky in my relationships before, even the ones that were just casual, and I just never encountered someone like her before. My relationships were what I would call normal; the occasional arguments, but nothing really heated. No one ever used me, at least to my knowledge. If they did, it would have had to have been on a level I never detected. I knew people like this existed, but I guess I just figured my lifestyle and the types of people I associated with kept me immune from harm. I never saw this coming. Now I realize I probably had either my guard down, or had none at all. It’s up full force now and will probably remain that way through the rest of my life. I no longer trust my ability to spot a human wrecking ball.
When she was involved in my life, I viewed her as no different from my mother or sister; I have mentioned that before. I think she despises the site but not me. I despise what she did to me, but not her, and I hope that someday she finds true happiness in her life. Despite what she did to me, there are some things that I admire about her. She has dedicated her life to taking care of her mother and she helps other family members as well. Her mom has some serious health problems and has been unable to work for the last few years. This girl essentially supported her mother completely, including buying land and building her a house. Although I wish she had found another way to get the money to do this, it is impossible to find fault in this and I have great admiration for her dedication to her family. If you remove how she obtained the money to help her mother, she is a role model for all daughters. How many people sacrifice their bodies and mind to help their families?
Mr. Bond, I love Brazil and have found non GDP’s to be very sweet in general. Brasileiras area SO much better than American women. But it is not just the women who are warm and friendly in Brazil. I’m shocked at how many guys (not gay) talk to me about my travels there, offer assistance if needed, and tell me to enjoy my stay. I love the Brazilian lifestyle. I joke with them about soccer being the #2 national pastime, right behind being late. That used to irritate the crap out of me when I first started traveling there, until I realized they were not being rude, the Brazilians just realize the world is not going to stop turning if they don’t show up on time. I love their casual approach to life and think there is a lot to be learned from it.
Gruhmbards, thanks for your advice and offer to help. The legal action has already been set in motion, but some of the advice you offered will need to be taken. I’ll explain in a PM, but super stuff from your advogado. And my PM will be in English, unless of course you need a good laugh. Give me some time to get back to you.
I’m going to try to refrain from commenting too much more about this. My original intent was to post a warning to others; not to expose her to the public and I am truly sorry that has happened. I appreciate everyone’s opinions and candor. I never intended this to turn into a discussion, but it has actually helped me gain new perspectives and that may eventually help bring this to a resolution.
Thanks to all.
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Can someone please discribe this girl for the benefit of others?
Thanks
Can someone please discribe this girl for the benefit of others?
Thanks
Why? What would be the point outside of curiousity? A ***** monger should not have gotten to the point where what happened to DnD would be an issue. If you stick to the rules of the game of P4P you shouldn't be concerned about who this girl is, unless you are a guy looking for a long term relationship with a GDP too.
Now if this were a case of her stealing from his apt, reneging on negotiated services or price, causing a scene or any P4P related problems than that info would be useful to mongers. But this guy stepped outside of the bounds of this game and got burned. Nothing to do with mongering IMHO. So no need to beware of anybody in this case. In fact if this girl is hot and provides good service at a reasonable price than I will give her a shot for a PROGRAMA. That is all we need to know in this case.
DnD it was good that you posted this story to remind others of the dangers of trying to turn a trick/***** relationship into something that it is not and usually cannot be. I won't get into whether what you did before and after was wrong, thats not my place. Nonetheless sorry to hear that it deteriorated to that point. Sometimes you got to learn the hard way I guess. Again with all the stories we hear and read about any monger with sense should know by now to stay away from this type of relationship and if you do decide to do so than proceed with caution and be ready for a possible negative outcome.
Anyways good luck on the final outcome of your case dude.
BTW no offense Dwilso39 just making a point.
Why? What would be the point outside of curiousity? A ***** monger should not have gotten to the point where what happened to DnD would be an issue. If you stick to the rules of the game of P4P you shouldn't be concerned about who this girl is, unless you are a guy looking for a long term relationship with a GDP too.
Now if this were a case of her stealing from his apt, reneging on negotiated services or price, causing a scene or any P4P related problems than that info would be useful to mongers. But this guy stepped outside of the bounds of this game and got burned. Nothing to do with mongering IMHO. So no need to beware of anybody in this case. In fact if this girl is hot and provides good service at a reasonable price than I will give her a shot for a PROGRAMA. That is all we need to know in this case.
DnD it was good that you posted this story to remind others of the dangers of trying to turn a trick/***** relationship into something that it is not and usually cannot be. I won't get into whether what you did before and after was wrong, thats not my place. Nonetheless sorry to hear that it deteriorated to that point. Sometimes you got to learn the hard way I guess. Again with all the stories we hear and read about any monger with sense should know by now to stay away from this type of relationship and if you do decide to do so than proceed with caution and be ready for a possible negative outcome.
Anyways good luck on the final outcome of your case dude.
BTW no offense Dwilso39 just making a point.
You are very right about this, no need to know who this girl is, unless someone is looking to fall in love.....
Interesting discussion. I think it's okay to partially help out a GdP or two if you have that kind of money to burn and want to be nice/generous. But you need to be able to face certain realities head on.
First of all, don't expect any kind of philanthropy reward for being generous to hookers.
Second, if you think you can buy a woman's loyalty or love, you're a fool. It's almost a law of human psychology that the more you try to do that, the more she will resent it and try to sabotage/betray you.
Third and most important, you MUST accept that you're NOT the only man in her current sex life. Never have been, never will be. Most men can't deal with that, particularly American men.
There's a lot of guys out there who dabble in mongering but have never really come to terms with it. These guys have misgivings with the fact they paid for sex, that they are involved with women who are not conventionally "virtuous," so they try to convert a fling with a GdP to something "deeper" to try to justify it to themselves. They don't want to see themselves as some kind of lowlife monger. On the contrary, in their minds, the GdP becomes a woman they can rescue or make "virtuous."
Inevitably, they fall into trouble if not outright disaster.
If I was in Dumber's situation, by living in Brazil for awhile and seeing this girl frequently, that would bring the chances of infidelity down to 50%.
But if I'm only seeing a GdP or "semi-pro" during occasional visits to Brazil, then it's 99% sure she's screwing at least one local guy and at least one other foreigner. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just a naive fool.
I'm a pretty selfish egoistic guy when it comes to my discretionary income, and I don't make all that much anyway. But if I did make more money, I might help out a certain GdP now and then with her needs as long as they were legit. I'm not going to fund a shopping spree so she can wear the latest fashions for all her other lovers to enjoy. But if she needed to pay for a home repair or for a kid's education bill, I would gladly help her out with that, as long as I was ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that's where the money was really going.
Also, if she really needs more money, that's when you can negotiate for more sex, or bareback, or dupla, or swing club, etc.
However, if you're sending the money from afar, you're likely setting yourself up for bigger and bigger scams.
I have wired money in the past to a couple of non-pros and semi-pros I dated in Bogota and Havana, but never more than $100 and never twice to the same girl. I would recommend sticking to that plan and as the dog whisperer would say, laying down "rules, boundaries, and limitations" with these chicas when it comes to money from afar.
First of all what D&D did is just fine by me. As much its his fault that he got screwed (by all means) we should not accept this from the GDPs.
Second, do not worry about law suit in Brasil. There is no way they can get you to court. What you've done is nothing. If you worry thay they have reported you to PF in Rio, just come to the country through Sao Paulo next time. They do not have any connection of databases in Brasil.
Third, if you get "caucht" and they want you to show up in court of law in Brasil just run. There is no law nor justice here. In brasilian justice system the judge is the one who makes the call, no matter what law says. Anyone can imagine what happens when there is brasilian girl vs. gringo..... Can't win.
One thing I can agree with everybody, just learn from this mistake and remember that girlfriend/wife will cost you way more than a GDP.
First of all what D&D did is just fine by me. As much its his fault that he got screwed (by all means) we should not accept this from the GDPs.
One thing I can agree with everybody, just learn from this mistake and remember that girlfriend/wife will cost you way more than a GDP.
Finally, someone else who sees things the same way I do. Alot of guys have been downing D&D, but I dont think what he did was so bad. Maybe making a website devoted towards her was a bit much, but I bet it serves its purpose. I gurantee she will think twice before leading on/selling a pipe dream to the next gringo, while fleecing him of his hard earned money!!
If anything, I think we should have a section right here devoted towards showing girls who we know are getting money from their sponsors and yet are still working. Or girls who have multiple guys sending them money all the while each one thinks he is her "one and only".
Oops, I just reread what I wrote. Scratch that idea. It will fuck up my potential business of opening a GDP pi office in Copa. I want guys to keep sending money even though the little voice in their heads tell them that she is still hoeing! Then they can hire me to track her down. LOL
D&D, i want to thank you for reinforcing the rule to never think of these working girls as girlfriend material!!!
Interesting discussion. I think it's okay to partially help out a GdP or two if you have that kind of money to burn and want to be nice/generous. But you need to be able to face certain realities head on.
First of all, don't expect any kind of philanthropy reward for being generous to hookers.
Second, if you think you can buy a woman's loyalty or love, you're a fool. It's almost a law of human psychology that the more you try to do that, the more she will resent it and try to sabotage/betray you.
Third and most important, you MUST accept that you're NOT the only man in her current sex life. Never have been, never will be. Most men can't deal with that, particularly American men.
There's a lot of guys out there who dabble in mongering but have never really come to terms with it. These guys have misgivings with the fact they paid for sex, that they are involved with women who are not conventionally "virtuous," so they try to convert a fling with a GdP to something "deeper" to try to justify it to themselves. They don't want to see themselves as some kind of lowlife monger. On the contrary, in their minds, the GdP becomes a woman they can rescue or make "virtuous."
Inevitably, they fall into trouble if not outright disaster.
If I was in Dumber's situation, by living in Brazil for awhile and seeing this girl frequently, that would bring the chances of infidelity down to 50%.
But if I'm only seeing a GdP or "semi-pro" during occasional visits to Brazil, then it's 99% sure she's screwing at least one local guy and at least one other foreigner. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just a naive fool.
I'm a pretty selfish egoistic guy when it comes to my discretionary income, and I don't make all that much anyway. But if I did make more money, I might help out a certain GdP now and then with her needs as long as they were legit. I'm not going to fund a shopping spree so she can wear the latest fashions for all her other lovers to enjoy. But if she needed to pay for a home repair or for a kid's education bill, I would gladly help her out with that, as long as I was ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that's where the money was really going.
Also, if she really needs more money, that's when you can negotiate for more sex, or bareback, or dupla, or swing club, etc.
However, if you're sending the money from afar, you're likely setting yourself up for bigger and bigger scams.
I have wired money in the past to a couple of non-pros and semi-pros I dated in Bogota and Havana, but never more than $100 and never twice to the same girl. I would recommend sticking to that plan and as the dog whisperer would say, laying down "rules, boundaries, and limitations" with these chicas when it comes to money from afar.What is said in this quote is dead on point. You cannot turn a GDP into a housewife once she has been doing this kind of profession for a long period of time. Unless she is still a newbie to the GDP life. And guys remember one thing we are going to Brazil to p4p not to marry it and become obsessed over it.
D&D,
Like others something about your story just didn't sit right. Your post did indeed intrigue me. I believe you likely post more frequently under another name, but that is neither here nor there. What I can say is it appears you were taken by a GDP during your first trip to Rio, which is completely understandable. I believe you’re sharing the story here will serve as a warning for the new guys and a reminder to the vets. Looks like you were looking for a real relationship from the start and got caught in her web. One thing guys visiting Help for the first time should understand is that for the girls, it is a job, plain and simply. For US it is fun. For many of them it is fun too, but for some of them it is not. It is their job! Their life and the lives of their children, mothers, brothers, sisters and YES their men is why many of them are there to please US.
After finding the website you dedicated to her, I realized I met this girl. After a little research and I do mean little (my hard drive) I realized I met her on the beach. Will I post her picture? No. You have been through enough. (Any man who goes to the trouble of establishing a website about a one women who wronged him has been through enough.) She was a bit older and her body was a bit different, no doubt from your money. I must say she seemed like a very nice person. Very disarming. She seemed indeed to be kind woman. Very much about family. Never saw her again after that day, but I can see how being in Rio for the first time, you fell for her.
Glad you took Euro100’s advice and took down the website. I also believe you should take Mr. Bond’s advice and attempt to resolve the matter out of court.
Thanks for posting your experience. Since you have met a non-GDP who makes your happy, my advice is to let it go and move on. I would say you should let ISG go too. You are just not cut out for this life. Rio is a beautiful place with beautiful women. A statue of Christ the Redeemer looks down on the Marvelous City from a high, but one should not forget, we are all dancing with the Devil and you can only dance with the Devil so many times and not get burnt.
RonnyRon
I hope the girl look good, even then doesn't justify how much he has spent.
He could have went back in forth to Rio 20 x's over
He could have ventured out to every city in Brazil f*cking GDP's.
It goes to show that a GDP doesn't need a college degree to get paid in Brazil.
& also you can get rob easier through an acquaintance than through a mugger.
Rio is a beautiful place with beautiful women. A statue of Christ the Redeemer looks down on the Marvelous City from a high, but one should not forget, we are all dancing with the Devil and you can only dance with the Devil so many times and not get burnt.
RR, I definitely second that! But, man, is it fun while it lasts, huh! Kinda reminds me of those immortal lines from the song "Blinded by the Light" from Manfred Mann's Earth Band:
Mama always told me not to look into the eye's of the sun
But mama, that's where the fun is
I like, no LOVE to fall in love with a GDP each time I am in Rio. It's fantastic. (I have posted enough of my adventures that the senior members at least will know what I am talking about). But you have to treat it like going to the movies: Yes, you can get totally wrapped up in the movie while it is on, but when the credits roll, it is OVER. Each time I fly back from Rio I have a bit of heartache. But that's OK, reminds me I am alive. Then I toss all of the phone numbers and addresses I collected, write my report for ISG, and I am over it.
Yes, of course I know they lie to me and try to play me. But that's OK, I do the same. It's not so much lying, actually, as it is playing a role, acting. And that's the way I try to approach it: like an actor in a movie. This way (at least I hope) I do not get burned; I only get a nice tan ;)
Jamaicanceo
04-23-09, 01:51
D&D,
Like others something about your story just didn't sit right. Your post did indeed intrigue me. I believe you likely post more frequently under another name, but that is neither here nor there. What I can say is it appears you were taken by a GDP during your first trip to Rio, which is completely understandable. I believe you’re sharing the story here will serve as a warning for the new guys and a reminder to the vets. Looks like you were looking for a real relationship from the start and got caught in her web. One thing guys visiting Help for the first time should understand is that for the girls, it is a job, plain and simply. For US it is fun. For many of them it is fun too, but for some of them it is not. It is their job! Their life and the lives of their children, mothers, brothers, sisters and YES their men is why many of them are there to please US.
After finding the website you dedicated to her, I realized I met this girl. After a little research and I do mean little (my hard drive) I realize I met her on the beach. Will, I post her picture? No. You have been through enough. (Any man who goes to the trouble of establishing a website about a one women who wronged him has been through enough.) She was a bit older and her body was a bit different, no doubt from your money. I must say she seemed like a very nice person. Very disarming. She seemed indeed to be kind woman. Very much about family. Never saw her again after that day, but I can see how being in Rio for the first time, you fell for her.
Glad you took Euro100’s advice and took down the website. I also believe you should take Mr. Bond’s advice and attempt to resolve the matter out of court.
Thanks for posting your experience. Since you have met a non-GDP who makes your happy, my advice is to let it go and move on. I would say you should let ISG go too. You are just not cut out for this life. Rio is a beautiful place with beautiful women. A statue of Christ the Redeemer looks down on the Marvelous City from a high, but one should not forget, we are all dancing with the Devil and you can only dance with the Devil so many times and not get burnt.
RonnyRonFor those who found it, could you please post it?
Gfe Finder
04-23-09, 02:20
I like, no LOVE to fall in love with a GDP each time I am in Rio. It's fantastic. (I have posted enough of my adventures that the senior members at least will know what I am talking about). But you have to treat it like going to the movies: Yes, you can get totally wrapped up in the movie while it is on, but when the credits roll, it is OVER. Each time I fly back from Rio I have a bit of heartache. But that's OK, reminds me I am alive. Then I toss all of the phone numbers and addresses I collected, write my report for ISG, and I am over it.
Yes, of course I know they lie to me and try to play me. But that's OK, I do the same. It's not so much lying, actually, as it is playing a role, acting. And that's the way I try to approach it: like an actor in a movie. This way (at least I hope) I do not get burned; I only get a nice tan ;)
Indeed, I don't consider it a good trip unless I fall in love either. I like the act, and I’ve met few other women who can pull it off so convincingly. And yes, the plane ride back is NOT fun. My cure is a trip-- but usually to another destination. This diversion is a way to remind myself of a key truth of this hobby: with diligent enough searching, ultimate GFE can be found anywhere. Then I’m good for a little while longer, until I get the Brasileira cravings again.
I admit I don’t throw out numbers but I probably should. In several years of hobbying I have yet to find a namorada who was still there when I returned. Elsewhere, I’ve got regulars but not yet in Rio….
RR, I definitely second that! But, man, is it fun while it lasts, huh! Kinda reminds me of those immortal lines from the song "Blinded by the Light" from Manfred Mann's Earth Band:
Mama always told me not to look into the eye's of the sun
But mama, that's where the fun is
Yes, of course I know they lie to me and try to play me. But that's OK, I do the same. It's not so much lying, actually, as it is playing a role, acting. And that's the way I try to approach it: like an actor in a movie. This way (at least I hope) I do not get burned; I only get a nice tan ;)
After my last dance, I get right back in line!!!
Jamaicanceo
04-23-09, 09:02
Economic Crisis Hits German Sex Industry BERLIN (April 22). It did not take long for the world financial crisis to affect the world’s oldest profession in Germany. In one of the few countries where prostitution is legal, and unusually transparent, the industry has responded with an economic stimulus package of its own: modern marketing tools, rebates and gimmicks to boost falling demand.
Some brothels have cut prices or added free promotions while others have introduced all-inclusive flat-rate fees. Free shuttle buses, discounts for seniors and taxi drivers, as well as "day passes" are among marketing strategies designed to keep business going. "Times are tough for us too, " said Karin Ahrens, who manages the "Yes, Sir" brothel in Hanover. She told Reuters revenue had dropped by 30 percent at her establishment while turnover had fallen by as much as 50 percent at other clubs.
"We’re definitely feeling the crisis. Clients are being tight with their money. They’re afraid. You can’t charge for the extras any more and there is pressure to cut prices. Everyone wants a deal. Special promotions are essential these days. "
Germany has about 400, 000 professional prostitutes. Official figures do not distinguish between the sexes and the number of male prostitutes is not known, but they account for a small fraction of the total and are treated the same under the law. In 2002, new legislation allowed prostitutes to advertise and to enter into formal labor contracts. It opened the way for them to obtain health insurance, previously refused if they listed their true profession.
Annual revenues are about 14 billion euros ($18 billion), according to an estimate by the Verdi services union. Taxes on prostitution are an important source of income for some cities.
Prostitution is also legal and regulated in the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary, Greece, Turkey and in some parts of Australia, and the U. S. State of Nevada. In other countries, such as Luxembourg, Latvia, Denmark, Belgium and Finland, it is legal but brothels and pimping are not. ‘Creative Solutions’ Berlin’s "Pussy Club" has attracted media attention with its headline-grabbing "flat rate" — a 70-euro admission charge for unlimited food, drink and sex between 10 a. M. And 4 p. M.
"You’ve got to come up with creative solutions these days, " said club manager Stefan, who requested his surname not be published. "We’re feeling the economic crisis, too, even though business has fortunately been more or less okay for us so far. "Our offer might sound like it’s too good to be true, but it’s real. You can eat as much as you want, drink as much as you want and have as much sex as you want. "
Stefan, who runs other establishments in Heidelberg and Wuppertal besides the Berlin club, said the flat rate had helped keep the 30 women working in each location fully employed.
Other novel ideas used by brothels and prostitutes include loyalty cards, group sex parties and rebates for golf players. Hamburg’s "GeizHaus" is especially proud of its discount 38. 50 euro price. The city has Germany’s most famous red-light district, the Reeperbahn, in the notorious St. Pauli district.
Anke Christiansen, manager of the "GeizHaus, " said the effects of the economic crisis were clear. "The regular customers who used to come by two or three times a week are only co ming by once or twice a week now. "
A "GeizHaus" client, who gave his name as Pascal, said: "Naturally we’re all feeling the effects of the crisis. " He added that he could no longer afford his usual two or three visits a week.
Guenter Krull, manager of the "FKK Villa" in Hanover, concurred. "The girls are complaining, too, because business is bad and I worry that it’s all going to get even worse. Contingency Plans
Ecki Krumeich, manager of upmarket Artemis Club in Berlin, said he resisted pressure to cut prices, although senior citizens and taxi drivers get a 50-percent discount on the 80-euro admission fee on Sundays and Mondays.
"Naturally, we’re keeping an eye on the overall economic situation and making contingency plans, " said Krumeich, who said his "wellness club" is one of the largest in Europe with about 70 prostitutes. "Our philosophy is: we provide an important service and even in a recession there are some things people won’t do without. Other downmarket places might cut prices but we decided we won’t do that. In fact, we raised prices by 10 euros in January. " Stephanie Klee, a prostitute in Berlin and former leader of the German association of sex workers, said even if a few luxury brothels were weathering the storm because of their wealthy regular clientele, many were struggling.
"Just about everyone’s turning to advertising in one form or another, " she said. "If the consumer electronics shop and the optician come out with rebates and special promotions, why shouldn’t we try the same thing? "
While she and her colleagues might have had five or six clients per day a year ago that had fallen to one or even none. Http://news. Aol.com/article/german-sex-industry/441881? Icid=webmail|wbml-aol|dl1|link2|http%3A%2F.
2 Klee worries, however, that the crisis has led to "price dumping" in some cities — fees have fallen as low as 30 euros in some parts of Berlin and elsewhere, she said.
"You’ll find a lot of customers trying to negotiate prices down now, " said Klee. "A 30- year-old came up to me and said ‘I lost my job so will you give me a discount? ’. "
She and others said they were alarmed that amateur prostitutes — mostly women with low-paid careers — were increasingly turning to prostitution to make ends meet.
"More and more women are moonlighting on the weekends, " said Ahrens. "They’re not able to get by with their main job and are in pretty dire straights. For some it works out okay but it’s tough for some others and they often don’t stay very long.
Dragonlordnl1971
04-23-09, 11:50
GFE or Girlfriend experience in Rio is more the rule rather than the exception. Not many wet fish in Rio. I believe in 10 years, I have only had 3. 2 were from the Balcony. I like the Balcony, but it can be hit and miss. Brasilian women are naturally affectionate, passionate and enjoy sex. They are interested in pleasing you. I suggest you not be concerned about it. Believe me you will understand a lot more once you get there. There’s tons of information about website for girls in the Escort section. For example: http://www.hotside.com.br/ is a good one. If the girl’s information states she is (simpatica) you know she is GFE, but again in my experience it is a moot point.
As far as DO's & DON'Ts. If you have read the forum you are covered.
RonnyRonThanks for yr reply RonnyRon, appreciate it.
I can't wait to find out
Dragonlordnl1971
D&D,
Like others something about your story just didn't sit right. Your post did indeed intrigue me. I believe you likely post more frequently under another name, but that is neither here nor there. What I can say is it appears you were taken by a GDP during your first trip to Rio, which is completely understandable. I believe you’re sharing the story here will serve as a warning for the new guys and a reminder to the vets. Looks like you were looking for a real relationship from the start and got caught in her web. One thing guys visiting Help for the first time should understand is that for the girls, it is a job, plain and simply. For US it is fun. For many of them it is fun too, but for some of them it is not. It is their job! Their life and the lives of their children, mothers, brothers, sisters and YES their men is why many of them are there to please US.
After finding the website you dedicated to her, I realized I met this girl. After a little research and I do mean little (my hard drive) I realized I met her on the beach. Will I post her picture? No. You have been through enough. (Any man who goes to the trouble of establishing a website about a one women who wronged him has been through enough.) She was a bit older and her body was a bit different, no doubt from your money. I must say she seemed like a very nice person. Very disarming. She seemed indeed to be kind woman. Very much about family. Never saw her again after that day, but I can see how being in Rio for the first time, you fell for her.
Glad you took Euro100’s advice and took down the website. I also believe you should take Mr. Bond’s advice and attempt to resolve the matter out of court.
Thanks for posting your experience. Since you have met a non-GDP who makes your happy, my advice is to let it go and move on. I would say you should let ISG go too. You are just not cut out for this life. Rio is a beautiful place with beautiful women. A statue of Christ the Redeemer looks down on the Marvelous City from a high, but one should not forget, we are all dancing with the Devil and you can only dance with the Devil so many times and not get burnt.
RonnyRon
Well said RR,
It's hard to put the experience of your first trip to Rio out of your mind forever. Scratch that, your first "mongering trip" to Rio. I still have the phone number and email address of the first GDP I went home with in Rio. Have not seen her for well over a year now, but I can't quite bring myself to throw it out as Euro100 suggests. But that's a good tip. Kind of a cleaning exercise.
We all do this <mongering> for different reasons. I think enough of us have weighed in on DnD's experience to have a representative sample of opinion. For any of you who have read some or ALL of the posts regarding this "tale of woe", you have probably learned as much about many of us as you have about DnD. I think what this underscores is that WE ALL have different motivations and goals from our mongering activities. For some it's about scoring as much meaningless pussy as possible for as little money as possible (not that there's anything wrong with that). For others it's about fulfilling a fantasy or playing a role. The one inescapable truth at the core of any of this is that, YES - it's a job for these girls. Most have families, some have kids, and many have husbands and boyfriends. Long after we head for the airport, these girls are still going to be there working the next batch that come to town.
RR - the dance you refer to is a real one and so is the devil. Those who attempt to get too close risk being pulled into the "twilight zone". The more experienced among us can recognize the "zone" and keep their distance from it by having a great session, paying your money and moving on. For the less experienced, the whole dance is fraught with danger. Once you are in the twilight zone money is relative and the promise of whatever it is you are after seems to be worth the money. When it's happening to you (yes, I speak from experience) it all seems to be ok. When the music stops............. well, no need to beat a dead horse.
Someone posted long ago that the job of the GDP is to extract as much money as possible from you. Some only have enough "game" to fuck you, suck you and take money for the transaction. And again, there's nothing wrong with that. But those who REALLY have "game" can size you up, figure out what you "need" and search for that weakness that can be exploited. And if they can exploit that weakness, they will. It's their job. There's a reason half these girls are self professed "psychology students".
ImABootyMan
04-23-09, 17:07
Well said RR,
It's hard to put the experience of your first trip to Rio out of your mind forever. Scratch that, your first "mongering trip" to Rio. I still have the phone number and email address of the first GDP I went home with in Rio. Have not seen her for well over a year now, but I can't quite bring myself to throw it out as Euro100 suggests. But that's a good tip. Kind of a cleaning exercise.
We all do this <mongering> for different reasons. I think enough of us have weighed in on DnD's experience to have a representative sample of opinion. For any of you who have read some or ALL of the posts regarding this "tale of woe", you have probably learned as much about many of us as you have about DnD. I think what this underscores is that WE ALL have different motivations and goals from our mongering activities. For some it's about scoring as much meaningless pussy as possible for as little money as possible (not that there's anything wrong with that). For others it's about fulfilling a fantasy or playing a role. The one inescapable truth at the core of any of this is that, YES - it's a job for these girls. Most have families, some have kids, and many have husbands and boyfriends. Long after we head for the airport, these girls are still going to be there working the next batch that come to town.
RR - the dance you refer to is a real one and so is the devil. Those who attempt to get too close risk being pulled into the "twilight zone". The more experienced among us can recognize the "zone" and keep their distance from it by having a great session, paying your money and moving on. For the less experienced, the whole dance is fraught with danger. Once you are in the twilight zone money is relative and the promise of whatever it is you are after seems to be worth the money. When it's happening to you (yes, I speak from experience) it all seems to be ok. When the music stops............. well, no need to beat a dead horse.
Someone posted long ago that the job of the GDP is to extract as much money as possible from you. Some only have enough "game" to fuck you, suck you and take money for the transaction. And again, there's nothing wrong with that. But those who REALLY have "game" can size you up, figure out what you "need" and search for that weakness that can be exploited. And if they can exploit that weakness, they will. It's their job. There's a reason half these girls are self professed "psychology students".I agree with what you guys are saying, and also agree that it's hard not to "live the dream" so to speak. For me, I fall into the former category - quick fuck, then out the door. To be totally honest, I don't know how you can "live the dream", as the thing at the front of my mind is, I am paying for sex. Great sex I might add. Hopefully filthy, dirty, pornstar sex.
The whole GFE thing is something I cannot grasp. Probably to the detriment of my Brazilian experience. I mean, 99% of GDP's here are about, as you stated Jake, extracting cash from gringos. The other 1%, I'm sure they exist, but who can really tell when they have found one? The odds definitely aren't tilted in your favor.
Anyhow, I'm definitely not dissing the guys that can live the dream. Good on you. As long as you can distinguish the line between reality and fiction, nobody gets hurt. All good!
I think enough of us have weighed in on DnD's experience to have a representative sample of opinion. For any of you who have read some or ALL of the posts regarding this "tale of woe", you have probably learned as much about many of us as you have about DnD. I think what this underscores is that WE ALL have different motivations and goals from our mongering activities. For some it's about scoring as much meaningless pussy as possible for as little money as possible (not that there's anything wrong with that). For others it's about fulfilling a fantasy or playing a role. The one inescapable truth at the core of any of this is that, YES - it's a job for these girls. Most have families, some have kids, and many have husbands and boyfriends. Long after we head for the airport, these girls are still going to be there working the next batch that come to town. That was well put, and sums it all up. Let's just call it closure and move on to the next trip report.
I'll be adding my more recent story of love,sex, and lust very soon.
ryjer
OneKissMontreal
04-23-09, 17:56
Amerioca.net I know years back was very popular but now I find no review about them!
Thank for the help
Mr Enternational
04-23-09, 17:57
I can't believe how everyone has gotten caught up in that bullshit post.
Mr Enternational
04-23-09, 18:44
Chillin down in Rio. I was with my girlfriend the last couple of days. I waited for a couple of members to call but I didn't hear from them. The old ball and chain had to go home last night but was going to return this morning. I told her that I was going to go ahead and go home because I didn't want to stay without her. But really I wanted to get into some mongering. As soon as she got on the bus I sent out a couple of texts to non-pros. I called one other in addition and we marked for this morning at 9. But she called me back and said it would be better for her to come straight away. When she arrived she said that she couldn't stay long because she had to work in the morning. So we went to a kiosk and got caipirinha and water then I waited with her to get her bus.
As soon as she left a friend of mine who is in law school called and said she wanted to come stay with me. I was kind of set on going to Balcony and maybe VM, but I said what the hell. She said she was leaving school and would arrive in Copa at 11:00 or 11:15. It was 10 then. So I rode the bus down to Princess Isabel. I was standing at the crosswalk when I noticed a tall blonde stunner to my right and another nice chick next to her. The stunner was all done up in makeup and high heels. To me that was a little suspicious because I never see anyone like that in the streets of Copa. I said to myself that she MUST be going to work inside of one of the clip joints. I slowed my step so that I would be walking behind them. Sure enough they stopped at the door of Barbarellas where to doorman checked their purses. The stunner was looking so good that I wanted to walk right in behind her so I could get ripped off! Instead, I continued on Prado Junior where I saw several more good looking hookers.
When I took the right onto Avenida Atlantica there was a female tout giving out cards for Niko's Boite. I took a card from her and continued to Balcony. I had found the party. I hadn't seen Balcony like that since 2003. It was off the hook. I asked Cida, the bartender, for a Skol. R$6! There was plenty of talent there last night. One girl, Kelly, who lives in Madueira kept trying to get me to do a three way with her and any one of her three friends that were there. It was very suspicious the way she kept trying to sell it. But I told her that I would gladly take her alone. Just then I got a text from the person I was waiting for. She had arrived and was waiting for me. I got a price from Kelly of R$150 with no time limit and her phone number for later.
I took the Rocinha van down to the other end of Copa for R$2. I met up with my friend and we went straight to my room. She wanted to go out to a bar but I insisted that either I go to a bar alone and she stay in and study or we both stay in and fuck. No more options. So we stayed in and fucked. I woke up at 11am to a hot mouth on my dick. I was thinking that I really wanted to go downtown to 85 or 22. But what the hell I have free pussy here. So I grabbed a condom and went to work. When it was all over I pulled out and what the fuck? The condom had broken. I have been using the Magnum brand for years and never have I had one break on me.
All I could think of is that I hope they have that morning after pill here in Rio. I asked my friend if the pharmacy had the pill and she said yes but she is allergic to medicine and had not taken any kind of pill since she was 16 and got very sick. I said well you should be allergic to being pregnant more than a damn pill. She wanted to know what I was going to tell the pharmicist. I said hell I am going to tell them exactly what happened. We were fucking, the condom broke, and do they have anything that you can take so you won't become pregnant. She wanted me to make up some kind of story. I said hell woman it's a pharmacy not a church. They deal with this everyday.
So I ran down to the pharmacy while she took a shower. The guy at the pharmacy didn't see the medicine under his counter. However, he did write down the name for me and told me that it would cost R$13 or R$14. I went to the next pharmacy I saw and gave the lady the paper. The name is Pilem (levonorgestrel) ,75mg(three-quarters of a milligram). The cost was R$14.95. I asked the pharmacist how she needed to take it. She said to take one pill now and the other pill in 12 hours.
I rushed back to the room, opened the box, and gave her the first pill with some water. I put the other pill into her pants' pocket and told her not to forget to take it at 1am. She said that if she died from taking the pills then it would be my fault. I said yeah, and if you get pregnant? She said then her mom would kill her. I said so either way you die. Just don't forget to take the other pill later. I walked her to the bus stop then I went for a misto and acai.
So I ran down to the pharmacy while she took a shower. The guy at the pharmacy didn't see the medicine under his counter. However, he did write down the name for me and told me that it would cost R$13 or R$14. I went to the next pharmacy I saw and gave the lady the paper. The name is Pilem (levonorgestrel) ,75mg(three-quarters of a milligram). The cost was R$14.95. I asked the pharmacist how she needed to take it. She said to take one pill now and the other pill in 12 hours.
This is great info for the morning after pill. And since I actually use the same brand of condom, I'll be sure to keep the info stored upstairs. I must admit, I've never had one of them break on me.
About Balcony...............interesting. I haven't heard of it described with such enthusiasm before.
ryjer
Playboy2000
04-23-09, 19:42
I heard that it is a holiday in Rio today (April 23). Does anyone know if 4x4 will be open?
I heard that it is a holiday in Rio today (April 23). Does anyone know if 4x4 will be open?Correct it is Sao Jorge or Saint George Day; they light a lot of fireworks like 4th of July on this day!
This is great info for the morning after pill. And since I actually use the same brand of condom, I'll be sure to keep the info stored upstairs. I must admit, I've never had one of them break on me.
About Balcony...............interesting. I haven't heard of it described with such enthusiasm before.
ryjer
I use that brand and it has broken numerous times in the past.
I use that brand and it has broken numerous times in the past.
Time to upgrade to Mangum XL........................................LOL!
ryjer
Jamaicanceo
04-23-09, 23:13
Chillin down in Rio. I was with my girlfriend the last couple of days. I waited for a couple of members to call but I didn't hear from them. The old ball and chain had to go home last night but was going to return this morning. I told her that I was going to go ahead and go home because I didn't want to stay without her. But really I wanted to get into some mongering. As soon as she got on the bus I sent out a couple of texts to non-pros. I called one other in addition and we marked for this morning at 9. But she called me back and said it would be better for her to come straight away. When she arrived she said that she couldn't stay long because she had to work in the morning. So we went to a kiosk and got caipirinha and water then I waited with her to get her bus.
As soon as she left a friend of mine who is in law school called and said she wanted to come stay with me. I was kind of set on going to Balcony and maybe VM, but I said what the hell. She said she was leaving school and would arrive in Copa at 11:00 or 11:15. It was 10 then. So I rode the bus down to Princess Isabel. I was standing at the crosswalk when I noticed a tall blonde stunner to my right and another nice chick next to her. The stunner was all done up in makeup and high heels. To me that was a little suspicious because I never see anyone like that in the streets of Copa. I said to myself that she MUST be going to work inside of one of the clip joints. I slowed my step so that I would be walking behind them. Sure enough they stopped at the door of Barbarellas where to doorman checked their purses. The stunner was looking so good that I wanted to walk right in behind her so I could get ripped off! Instead, I continued on Prado Junior where I saw several more good looking hookers.
When I took the right onto Avenida Atlantica there was a female tout giving out cards for Niko's Boite. I took a card from her and continued to Balcony. I had found the party. I hadn't seen Balcony like that since 2003. It was off the hook. I asked Cida, the bartender, for a Skol. R$6! There was plenty of talent there last night. One girl, Kelly, who lives in Madueira kept trying to get me to do a three way with her and any one of her three friends that were there. It was very suspicious the way she kept trying to sell it. But I told her that I would gladly take her alone. Just then I got a text from the person I was waiting for. She had arrived and was waiting for me. I got a price from Kelly of R$150 with no time limit and her phone number for later.
I took the Rocinha van down to the other end of Copa for R$2. I met up with my friend and we went straight to my room. She wanted to go out to a bar but I insisted that either I go to a bar alone and she stay in and study or we both stay in and fuck. No more options. So we stayed in and fucked. I woke up at 11am to a hot mouth on my dick. I was thinking that I really wanted to go downtown to 85 or 22. But what the hell I have free pussy here. So I grabbed a condom and went to work. When it was all over I pulled out and what the fuck? The condom had broken. I have been using the Magnum brand for years and never have I had one break on me.
All I could think of is that I hope they have that morning after pill here in Rio. I asked my friend if the pharmacy had the pill and she said yes but she is allergic to medicine and had not taken any kind of pill since she was 16 and got very sick. I said well you should be allergic to being pregnant more than a damn pill. She wanted to know what I was going to tell the pharmicist. I said hell I am going to tell them exactly what happened. We were fucking, the condom broke, and do they have anything that you can take so you won't become pregnant. She wanted me to make up some kind of story. I said hell woman it's a pharmacy not a church. They deal with this everyday.
So I ran down to the pharmacy while she took a shower. The guy at the pharmacy didn't see the medicine under his counter. However, he did write down the name for me and told me that it would cost R$13 or R$14. I went to the next pharmacy I saw and gave the lady the paper. The name is Pilem (levonorgestrel), 75mg (three-quarters of a milligram). The cost was R$14. 95. I asked the pharmacist how she needed to take it. She said to take one pill now and the other pill in 12 hours.
I rushed back to the room, opened the box, and gave her the first pill with some water. I put the other pill into her pants' pocket and told her not to forget to take it at 1am. She said that if she died from taking the pills then it would be my fault. I said yeah, and if you get pregnant? She said then her mom would kill her. I said so either way you die. Just don't forget to take the other pill later. I walked her to the bus stop then I went for a misto and acai. Damn Dude,
You should've handcuffed her to you until 1am instead of depending on her to take that pill. It's going to be a rough few months for to see if she really took the pill.
Member #4643
04-23-09, 23:41
The non latex condoms never break (in my experience). There is the Trojan Supra and the Avanti, both made from polyurethane. They have the advantage of feeling better too.
Of course, you can buy the sheep's intestine condom (Trojan makes these) for ~ $3 apiece, but some people worry that they are not a reliable barrier against HIV. The lamb condoms literally feel like you are not wearing a condom. Beware, however, they leave a horrible taste behind. I have had a few girls ready to kill me after tasting whatever it is that they use as preservative for these condoms.
Time to upgrade to Mangum XL........................................LOL!
ryjer
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