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Eszpresszo
09-17-18, 03:24
Yep, pretty boring, better you stay home, LOL.Well, I think the OP is just yanking our chain or throwing out flame bait, at this point. Someone who thinks Rio or Sao Paolo are boring places, but needs to find a "safe place" to get an erection in? That's hard to take very seriously.
Those places you mentioned are for amateurs that are shooting fishing in a bucket, not even a barrel.
If you are only used to those type of places; stay far from Rio, the place would eat you alive!One has to start somewhere, especially if one has poor language skills. I started that way in Medellin, Colombia and I am thankful for that. As my Spanish improved, I moved on. Not everyone starts as an expert.
Eszpresszo
09-17-18, 05:22
One has to start somewhere, especially if one has poor language skills. I started that way in Medellin, Colombia and I am thankful for that. As my Spanish improved, I moved on. Not everyone starts as an expert.Nobody starts as an expert. But, nobody learns unless they take a chance. And mongering has always been about risks. My Spanish is lousy. I can't barely speak a dozen words in Spanish when I went to Medellin over two years ago. I had a great time. My Spanish was marginally better when I arrived in the DR last year. I took some risks and pulled some dicey girls off the streets and businesses where management had no control over who went in and out. It was a challenge, I had one serious confrontation and yes it was fun. Went to Bogota for this past labor day weekend and after some tutoring I spoke some basic Spanish. However that didn't prevent some misunderstandings regarding prices, but I still had a great time and came back with my hide intact (see my trip reports on the Bogota thread).
These forums have reports by people who walked down La Linea in Guatemala City or strip clubs in Lagos. I have walked around Avenue La Greiff In Medellin's Centro after dark to look at the street meat. Not recommended but somebody has to do so you don't have to. That was my first trip to Latin America, period. I've walked into dark compounds in Bali only to have guys walk out of the shadows and say "You need lady?" only to find out that these were safe and friendly spots for great, cheap sex with tiny Asian girls.
What does this website say at the top of the page? Money is world's greatest aphrodisiac. And guess what? Money is also the language of short-term love. I have yet to monger in a country where money has not transcended all linguistic barriers.
The internet has created a class of low level mongers. Some will ascend or others will stay in their "safe place" bubbles, seeking out the first-world safety of the FKK clubs in Germany or places like the Mansion in MDE as long as they have the substantial cash for it. But, for those who aspire for more, low level mongers will never get much respect. We can't help you go to places we never went to and never will go to unless we find ourselves in a wheelchair.
One has to start somewhere, especially if one has poor language skills. I started that way in Medellin, Colombia and I am thankful for that. As my Spanish improved, I moved on. Not everyone starts as an expert.I understand your point. However, knowing the language has nothing to do with having a blast in a different country.
I had the time of my life when I went to Rio for carnival in 2004 and 2006 and I did not speak the language. Returned last December after learning some basic phrases; had a great time.
My first time in the DR, Sosua, 9-10 years ago, that was my best trip in the DR ever; again, I did not speak a word of the language.
I've been exploring many countries since 1978 (thanks to the Navy), and personally, I would be bored to death in places like Black Beards Resort and Casa Blanca.
But then again, everyone has their own safety zone.
FuckAfMedDig
09-17-18, 12:11
Black Beards Resort in the Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic or Casa Blanca (or whatever name they use now) in Medellin, Colombia.No but the nursery stage in rio would be the big termas where you pay a lot and it's a safe environment a la Mc solarium 4 x 4 Centaurus etc I started there with zero portugues and had a blast. Now I've outgrown them years ago due to language and cultural fluency so non pro scene and occasional trash or lower terma is fine but yes it's a gentle intro to Rio.
Mr Enternational
09-17-18, 13:20
I understand your point. However, knowing the language has nothing to do with having a blast in a different country.I went to four cities in Vietnam and had a blast. I even went mongering in the hood. I can't even say Hello, in Vietnamese. Hell, if someone told me Hello in Vietnamese I would have no idea what they were saying.
ForceSteeler
09-17-18, 16:05
I understand your point. However, knowing the language has nothing to do with having a blast in a different country.
I had the time of my life when I went to Rio for carnival in 2004 and 2006 and I did not speak the language. Returned last December after learning some basic phrases; had a great time.If you dealing with Pros in Termas or Mabs, Then you don't need to know a lick of Portuguese. Knowing Portuguese helps a lot in Brazil especially with Non-Pros, Even if your dealing with a Pro, I can almost guarantee you will get better GFE treatment.
Learning Portuguese will open up a new world to you instead of just seeing Brazil through the lens of a gringo.
Just came back from Rio. Stayed in an oceanfront Airbnb on Atlantica and Lemos for about $50 a day. Screw hotels.
Had 2 outstanding encounters. One at 4 X4 with a lovely morena. India approached me first, but I didn't mind, love those morenas. She refused to have a drink when I offered, which is a very good sign. We sat and cuddled near the dance stage for about 20 minutes, then got into the room right before 6. Very enthusiastic, nice and slow BJ, all positions, nice (fake, but nice) moans, finished with her underneath and her legs squeezed together. That's one position that helps me shoot my load when it's enough already.
Laid on the bed, she's in my arms, then she suggested another round. I knew I wouldn't be able to shoot again, but what the fuck we still had time. We fucked for another 15 minutes or so, then there was a knock on the door, but she ignored it. Unfortunately, it wasn't meant to be for the second time, so I just pulled out and took her number before saying goodbyes. The damage was are $389 (9 for a soda).
Another good encounter was at Eden Spa of all places at Nossa Senhora 583, 4th floor. Pricey at $200 for 30 minutes and only 4 girls in a line-up when I got there around 9. Luckily, 2 of them were hot. The first one was Halle Berry lookalike, Mia or something, and the other one was Leticia. I told the attendant I wanted Mia, but she (or was it he, does anyone know if it's a dude or a woman?) whispered that Mia was no good, whatever that means. So I asked for Leticia and she was a winner..Hi there,
Thank you for your report. Could you please provide a link to your Airbnb please. Looking into apartments now for a trip there in February. Any help would be appreciated.
I went to four cities in Vietnam and had a blast. I even went mongering in the hood. I can't even say Hello, in Vietnamese. Hell, if someone told me Hello in Vietnamese I would have no idea what they were saying.Are your Vietnamese reviews up on the Vietnam forum? What cities and time period? Thanks.
Eszpresszo
09-20-18, 02:59
Are your Vietnamese reviews up on the Vietnam forum? What cities and time period? Thanks.I wondered the same thing. That's why I will continue to post passport stamps that correlate with my visits. I'd hate it if my own trip reports lacked veracity.
I wondered the same thing. That's why I will continue to post passport stamps that correlate with my visits. I'd hate it if my own trip reports lacked veracity.Just to be clear, I'm not challenging the veracity of anything.
Vietnam is a wonderful country to visit. I think Vietnamese women are very beautiful. From my limited experience, the scene is always changing, but there is always something cooking for mongers. Hey, it's Asia. Those Asian guys are dogs.
Eszpresszo
09-20-18, 04:11
Just to be clear, I'm not challenging the veracity of anything.Understood. But, I usually am.
Hi there,
Thank you for your report. Could you please provide a link to your Airbnb please. Looking into apartments now for a trip there in February. Any help would be appreciated.I tried to send you a Private Message but couldn't, so if you'd like pay for the PM privilege I'll be happy to send you the link. Otherwise, I'd rather not post links to private apartments in open forums; call it paranoid, but whatever.
I strongly recommend you pay for the subscription. A lot of info can be found not on these pages, but when you talk to fellow members.
If the money's tight, you can easily find this listing on Airbnb. Just look for a cheap 1 B with the ocean views on Atlantica in Copa.
Mr Enternational
09-20-18, 04:53
Just to be clear, I'm not challenging the veracity of anything.
Vietnam is a wonderful country to visit.I get it. They are going to hate. But I still like to feed the trolls every now and then bro. It not only keeps things interesting, but makes them look stupid as well.
I get it. They are going to hate. But I still like to feed the trolls every now and then bro. It not only keeps things interesting, but makes them look stupid as well.My brother and friend, you don't have to justify shit to anyone on this board! I personally know you and you are a world traveler. Not everyone posts trip reports, thus, no worries.
If I want information about Vietnam, I know damn well you would provide me the information.
Fuck these armatures that don't add anything to this site!
I get it. They are going to hate. But I still like to feed the trolls every now and then bro. It not only keeps things interesting, but makes them look stupid as well.Your Vietnam Visa says Single Entry. You went all the way to Vietnam for one SOG???
Eszpresszo
09-21-18, 04:34
Your Vietnam Visa says Single Entry. You went all the way to Vietnam for one SOG???Astute observation, my friend. But, bear in mind that one can find an image of just about anything on the internet. Google the phrase VietNam visa, and look under the Images, and you will have countless images to pull off these here internets. Its easy to grab some image on just about any subject and download it off the internet. I gave that a lot of thought myself and I realized that it would be a different story to post an image of your visa or passport stamp laying on a sheet of paper with your screen name on it. But, to get down to what I'm really getting at, I have posted all my passport stamps that relate to all my numerous field reports on this site.
Now if you notice, my passport is laying on a piece of paper with my screen name on it. That is something that you can not just pull off the internet. Your screen name physically laying next to the image of your screen name, not digitally printed onto the image is something that makes the image unique. For example, I Googled the phrase "Vietnam Visa Wyatt Earp" and you know what I came up with? Lots of images of Wyatt Earp and lots of images of old time firearms. And that's why I posted my passport stamps for my field reports for my trips this past year to SE Asia and to Bogota over the Labor Day weekend. There are too many charlatans on internet forums posing as experts. Thanks to the plethora of info about anything on the internet, its easy for anyone who has never been 50 miles from home to portray himself as a man of the world on internet forums. Consider this example of an impressive young man who convinced experienced travelers that he was an expert on adventure travel. Problem was, he was a con man.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/the-mysterious-heir-of-extreme-travel-630274/
I hope that clarifies my quest for veracity on this forum.
Soapy Smith
09-21-18, 05:32
Your Vietnam Visa says Single Entry. You went all the way to Vietnam for one SOG???
Five and a half years ago? I have sensed that you usually make a very positive impression wherever you go. Women seem quite taken by you, often eager to pay their own way and yours as well. Five and a half years is a long time, considering you could have raked in dividends many times from the positive impressions you presumably created.
Yes I'm back again, I tend to come back when I see the prices drop to see what the climate is in Rio.
It just depresses me to read and see its dead in Rio. I know, I know. Brothels and prives. But that's just not the true Rio.
With flights from Atl to Rio $748 round trip non-stop Delta I don't know if I can pass up on a trip even if the scene is not popping.
I know ill finally have to go to 4 x4,. Monta Carlo etc. To find some quality. But did I read correctly the one post the poster spent $300+ USA Dollers in 4 x4 for a hour or so?
Iis there any quality to be found in some of the other spots that have seen mentioned like Mariuzinn or the spot near Mabbs?
Reading some of the post for a club to work it has to be in the Copa area walking distance it has to be a large nice club, not just some hole in the wall place.
Your Vietnam Visa says Single Entry. You went all the way to Vietnam for one SOG???The internet forums make everything seem literal. This was a lame attempt at a joke.
One SOG (shot on goal), Single Entry visa. Well, it seemed funny when I wrote it. Don't drink and post!
Verify trip-reports with passport stamps? What will be the next? Photos of used condoms to verify sessions?
Since I've mentioned numerous times my first time in Rio was 1980 here is a pic of my 1980 Brazil Visa.
Since I've mentioned numerous times my first time in Rio was 1980 here is a pic of my 1980 Brazil Visa.
That's impressive! I wish I've seen Brazil in 1980 (but not as a kid).
Considering there were a lot of hairy (not meaning small Chaplins) girls in Brazil 1991, how was in 1980? Big bushes?
Since I've mentioned numerous times my first time in Rio was 1980 here is a pic of my 1980 Brazil Visa.Wow 1980! I'm going to say it that's LEGEN. Wait for it. DARY.
I've been visiting Brazil since the early 90's. It was amazing. A young, foreign guy could pursue pros, non-pros and civilians very easily. Civilians were actually happy to be seen with a tourist (ymmv). The stigma that set in over time increased year by year as more and more men discovered Rio thanks to the internet.
FuckAfMedDig
09-21-18, 20:10
Yes I'm back again, I tend to come back when I see the prices drop to see what the climate is in Rio.
It just depresses me to read and see its dead in Rio. I know, I know. Brothels and prives. But that's just not the true Rio.
With flights from Atl to Rio $748 round trip non-stop Delta I don't know if I can pass up on a trip even if the scene is not popping.
I know ill finally have to go to 4 x4,. Monta Carlo etc. To find some quality. But did I read correctly the one post the poster spent $300+ USA Dollers in 4 x4 for a hour or so?
Iis there any quality to be found in some of the other spots that have seen mentioned like Mariuzinn or the spot near Mabbs?
Reading some of the post for a club to work it has to be in the Copa area walking distance it has to be a large nice club, not just some hole in the wall place.300 $? In 4 x 4? Loool gtfooh. I don't know which posts you've been reading but they're feeding you BS. Less than 100 $ US for an hour broski and who said Rio is dead? Yes if you're an uber gringo maybe but Rio got plenty to offer. A new club doesn't have to be located in Copa to work. Depends on the price range-sometimes cheaper produces more traffic. Monte Carlo is a joke now-an expensive joke. On you. : Ivan has lost the plot and doesn't know who to market to anymore as gringos have stopped coming en masse. His recruitment might as well have been done by Stevie Wonder. Welcome to Rio.
Since I've mentioned numerous times my first time in Rio was 1980 here is a pic of my 1980 Brazil Visa.
Just curious, after your visit in 1980 did you have a Brazil-pause until 1988? Were there big changes between these visits? Brazilians hardly wants to comment the time during the military dictatorship
That's impressive! I wish I've seen Brazil in 1980 (but not as a kid).
Considering there were a lot of hairy (not meaning small Chaplins) girls in Brazil 1991, how was in 1980? Big bushes?LOL hairy? I actually remember the first girl I ever met in Rio, can picture her face but what was between her legs? I don't remember, probably manicured somewhat but not bald LOL. I was staying at the Rio Palace which is now Sofitel in Copa, the Cafe next door Pigalle must have been 25 girls sitting there. I had no idea they were hookers, I told my friend something is up with this place all these beautiful girls are looking at us. The rest is history.
Just curious, after your visit in 1980 did you have a Brazil-pause until 1988? Were there big changes between these visits? Brazilians hardly wants to comment the time during the military dictatorship
From 1980 to 1987 I went to Rio 35 times, I worked for Pan American airways at the time and flew everywhere. To be honest I had no idea about Military dictatorship, I was young and having a good time. Copacabana was packed with girls in every cafe, Franks bar, Barbarellas, Club Erotika etc. Help didn't open until 1984 but really wasn't a monger destination. I frequented places like Regines in the Meridian hotel, Crocodile in The Rio Othon Palace and Hippopotamus in Ipanema where Barronetti was. Girls were cheap and next day they would show up at your hotel to go out again, many times money wasn't even discussed but paid anyway just to set it straight.
300 $? In 4 x 4? Loool gtfooh. I don't know which posts you've been reading but they're feeding you BS. Less than 100 $ US for an hour broski and who said Rio is dead? Yes if you're an uber gringo maybe but Rio got plenty to offer. A new club doesn't have to be located in Copa to work. Depends on the price range-sometimes cheaper produces more traffic. Monte Carlo is a joke now-an expensive joke. On you. : Ivan has lost the plot and doesn't know who to market to anymore as gringos have stopped coming en masse. His recruitment might as well have been done by Stevie Wonder. Welcome to Rio.From Xpartan's post from 8-23-18.
Well maybe he just spent that much, maybe he had a real real good time.
From Xpartan's post from 8-23-18.
Well maybe he just spent that much, maybe he had a real real good time.He was talking about Reals not dollars: "The damage was are $389 (9 for a soda). ".
He was talking about Reals not dollars: "The damage was are $389 (9 for a soda). ".Oh Okay,
People please put the "R" in there. R$389. LOL.
LOL hairy? I actually remember the first girl I ever met in Rio, can picture her face but what was between her legs? I don't remember, probably manicured somewhat but not bald LOL.
This week I went through old Brazil photos, 1991-2018. Throwing away more or less one thousand of old photos (I hope the garbish guy don't open the plastic bags). It was a nice memory walk to sort out the best photos. What I noticed where the bushes and the bikinis, how they have changed during the years. In the nineties, slimmer girls, more natural tits, no silicone and bushes (I do prefer shaved or landing strips).
However, I noticed how Copacabana (and Brazil in general) have changed. Help, Meia Pataca, the quiosques and ho-beach have changed a lot.
I would rate:
1991-1996 as number 1 (the Golden days, tons of women everywhere in Copacabana)
1997-1998 as number 2 (the start of the cleaning up in Brazil in a small scale)
1999-2010 as number 3 (many brazilian mongering scenes getting killed, and many of the Copa-veterans leaving the sunking ship)
2010-2014 as number 4 (Copa mongering on the final stage)
2015-... as number 5 (the mongering scene in Rio being limited to Mabs, thermas, privés and trash)
I guess Brazil 1980-1991 might have been even better?
Eszpresszo
09-22-18, 01:53
Since I've mentioned numerous times my first time in Rio was 1980 here is a pic of my 1980 Brazil Visa.Thanks for posting that, Bob. Now remind me how much it costed back then? I recall at one point in the 80's it was $50 USD for American Citizens, which was a bit of cash for a young guy in and out of college at the lower end of the wage scale. I'd be curious, what was the price range of the girls back then.
BlueChange
09-22-18, 03:49
LOL hairy? I actually remember the first girl I ever met in Rio, can picture her face but what was between her legs? I don't remember, probably manicured somewhat but not bald LOL. I was staying at the Rio Palace which is now Sofitel in Copa, the Cafe next door Pigalle must have been 25 girls sitting there. I had no idea they were hookers, I told my friend something is up with this place all these beautiful girls are looking at us. The rest is history.
From 1980 to 1987 I went to Rio 35 times, I worked for Pan American airways at the time and flew everywhere. To be honest I had no idea about Military dictatorship, I was young and having a good time. Copacabana was packed with girls in every cafe, Franks bar, Barbarellas, Club Erotika etc. Help didn't open until 1984 but really wasn't a monger destination. I frequented places like Regines in the Meridian hotel, Crocodile in The Rio Othon Palace and Hippopotamus in Ipanema where Barronetti was. Girls were cheap and next day they would show up at your hotel to go out again, many times money wasn't even discussed but paid anyway just to set it straight.Funny I went to rio in 2006 and even then I would still see the little soul patch on their puss.
I will say one thing, I noticed many Brazillian girls tend to have larger clits. Maybe that is why their sexdrive is so much higher and more intense.
Thanks for all the contribution. I was looking for thru the internet archve to try and find old photos of Help from the 2006-2007 era. It was just an amazing time. Only thing was, the DJ played the same exact playlist every single night!
Funny I went to rio in 2006 and even then I would still see the little soul patch on their puss.
I will say one thing, I noticed many Brazillian girls tend to have larger clits. Maybe that is why their sexdrive is so much higher and more intense.
Thanks for all the contribution. I was looking for thru the internet archve to try and find old photos of Help from the 2006-2007 era. It was just an amazing time. Only thing was, the DJ played the same exact playlist every single night!I love the memories. Do you mind posting some of the photos? I would love to see some old Help photos girls or no girls in the shot.
Mr Enternational
09-22-18, 04:07
I will say one thing, I noticed many Brazillian girls tend to have larger clits. Maybe that is why their sexdrive is so much higher and more intense.Nahhh. Many Brazilian girls do not tend to have larger clits; that is only the ones that use steroids. Old Help photo.
Mr Enternational
09-22-18, 04:22
Verify trip-reports with passport stamps? What will be the next? Photos of used condoms to verify sessions?LOL. We can go there too!
He was talking about Reals not dollars: "The damage was are $389 (9 for a soda). ".I was indeed, sorry for the misunderstanding.
I'd rather assign the job to one of my hands than pay actual $400 to a professional for releasing a few mls of my bodily fluids.
Regarding Help.
Before Help was built there used to be a palace, Casa do Vaticano. First it was a kind of simple house. Later around 1930 it was turned into a palace looking house. It was built by an italian earl, Conde Innodare, who was married to a polish ballet dancer, Estephania Paskovitej.
https://1.bp.bl*gspot.com/-qLz16d6VKdg/WRrUnFobpQI/AAAAAAAAAnU/I0MHXY_gDgsmc9n6HcHGo7h5WRvql5S3gCLcB/s1600/9238%2BCasa%2Bdo%2BVaticano%2BSzendrodi.jpg
Later the house was abandoned and invaded by homeless people.
https://3.bp.bl*gspot.com/-R2egLhrrKaw/WRwbgsQmjpI/AAAAAAAAAn0/FoFRJHkDXmc97hIDEetC-XAHVYI0vo3-wCLcB/s1600/9243%2BCasa%2BVaicano.jpg
In 1984 a spanish guy, Chico Recarey, constructed Discoteca Help. First it worked as a fancy disco. What I heard it used to be mainly white people visiting the disco the first years. Later they allowed coloured girls to enter, this in combination with gringos turned the disco into a monger-temple.
The governor Sérgio Cabral put an end to Help in 2010.
http://www.rioquepassou.com.br/2011/12/05/casa-do-vaticano-1971/
http://saudadesdoriodoluizd.bl*gspot.com/2017/05/casa-do-vaticano_17.html
https://revistatrip.uol.com.br/tpm/a-pista-quente-da-help-fecha-as-portas
*=0
Sperto,
Wasn't there a family with a Polish name linked to the ownership of the Help property towards the end? Any relation to the Count's wife?
By the way, I couldn't get those links to work. They're some long hyperlinks. Not sure the problem.
Thanks.
Sperto,
Wasn't there a family with a Polish name linked to the ownership of the Help property towards the end? Any relation to the Count's wife?
By the way, I couldn't get those links to work. They're some long hyperlinks. Not sure the problem.
Thanks.
I don't know about the ownership.
The links should work if you change the "*" to "o" (it's impossible to post the word b l o g s p o t).
I guess Brazil 1980-1991 might have been even better?I was there December 1985 to March 1986 on vacation and it was one of the best times of my life! Stayed in Rio at a local's hotel for $15/ night about six blocks from the beach. So easy to meet hot girls despite the language barrier. Hell, one carioca chick, thin but big tits, I met on Copacabana took me out dancing with two of her hot girlfriends for a night to remember. So many happy memories!
I guess Brazil 1980-1991 might have been even better?Rio was much more innocent in the 80's, up front money was never discussed it was like a GFE and next day or when they were leaving we would talk about a present for them usually 15 to 25 dollars. As you know the currency was the Cruzeiro and we exchanged the money in jewelry stores or bell hops and got 20 to 40 % above official rate which made everything extremely cheap. Before Help girls were spread out evenly across Ave. Atlantica, whatever hotel we were staying at all you had to do was go to the nearest cafe and there were many girls there unlike today. After Help everything seemed to be concentrated in one place or another.
Thanks for posting that, Bob. Now remind me how much it costed back then? I recall at one point in the 80's it was $50 USD for American Citizens, which was a bit of cash for a young guy in and out of college at the lower end of the wage scale. I'd be curious, what was the price range of the girls back then.$50 for the visa sounds a little high especially because it was only good for 3 months so in those days we were going to NY to the consulate several times a year to get a new Visa, so I would suspect it was about $25. Luckily as years went by they started with 5 year visa and now 10 which is great.
Eszpresszo
09-23-18, 02:28
Rio was much more innocent in the 80's, up front money was never discussed it was like a GFE and next day or when they were leaving we would talk about a present for them usually 15 to 25 dollars. As you know the currency was the Cruzeiro and we exchanged the money in jewelry stores or bell hops and got 20 to 40 % above official rate which made everything extremely cheap. Before Help girls were spread out evenly across Ave. Atlantica, whatever hotel we were staying at all you had to do was go to the nearest cafe and there were many girls there unlike today. After Help everything seemed to be concentrated in one place or another.
$50 for the visa sounds a little high especially because it was only good for 3 months so in those days we were going to NY to the consulate several times a year to get a new Visa, so I would suspect it was about $25. Luckily as years went by they started with 5 year visa and now 10 which is great.Thanks for clarifying those details. I admit I was a bit confused when I first heard the term Real a while back, because the term Cruzeiro was stuck in mind from long ago. But, what where the mechanics behind an official rate and the rate locals got? Was this a scenario like the Eastern Bloc during the Cold War, where the official rate to Western currencies for the tourists was different from what a local could obtain? I understand inflation caused the currency of Brazil to change periodically in the late 20th century. But, I'm thinking the junta might have enacted some bad economic and financial policies as such regimes typically do.
Now that I think about it, the sum of $50 was likely through a third party visa service back then. Now, the consulate in NYC lists it as $160 USD for US citizens and half that for most anyone else ($180 USD if you are from Angola, one of the few other nations in the world where Portuguese is the official language, oddly enough). I found the e-visa was only $117 though that is chump change for what I expect to blow on working girls if I ever get there. But back in my early adulthood, I had traveled a bit around Western Europe for less than $10 a day, so $50 was not a small amount to me in the early 80's.
The governor Sergio Cabral put an end to Help in 2010.Sergio Cabral, Filho the Puta!! Karma got to him. He is currently being held at the Gericin penitentiary in Bangu, Rio de Janeiro, for corruption and money laundering. Crooked bastard is accused of embezzling more than $80 million USD. On 13 June 2017, he was sentenced to 14 years and two months. On 20 September 2017 he was sentenced to an additional 45 years imprisonment for embezzlement. However, Fa-King Brazilian law, limits sentences to 30 years actually served. All those people he put out of work, put a Macumba curse on him.
But, what where the mechanics behind an official rate and the rate locals got? Was this a scenario like the Eastern Bloc during the Cold War, where the official rate to Western currencies for the tourists was different from what a local could obtain?In the early 90's, I remember that in Rio you could get the "tourist" rate that was 25-40% better than the official rate based on economic conditions and government policy. As RioBob noted, our driver took us to a jewelry store across from the old Rio Roiss Hotel for a better Cruzeiro rate. Obviously, there were currency controls designed to restrict capital leaving the country. Middle and upper class Brazilians knew how to get their rapidly deflating Cruzeiros into Dollars or hard assets like gold and jewelry. I guess that's why jewelry stores were operating in the parallel market.
The girls always wanted Dollars. I think Inflation spiked 5000% per annum before the Real was introduced in 1994. Even school children knew the Cruzeiro/Dollar exchange rate every day and what it might be tomorrow. I might have some of the details slightly wrong, but that was the basic currency situation back in the 80's and 90's.
From what understand, Brazil still has a tourist rate that has been around 4% higher (devalued Real) than the official government rate. This might why some members have reported receiving higher than the published rates at some select currency venues.
Sergio Cabral, Filho the Puta!! Karma got to him. He is currently being held at the Gericin penitentiary in Bangu, Rio de Janeiro, for corruption and money laundering. Crooked bastard is accused of embezzling more than $80 million USD. On 13 June 2017, he was sentenced to 14 years and two months. On 20 September 2017 he was sentenced to an additional 45 years imprisonment for embezzlement. However, Fa-King Brazilian law, limits sentences to 30 years actually served. All those people he put out of work, put a Macumba curse on him.Sergio Cabral was / is an evangelical Christian and ran on a platform of cleaning up the "sin" in Rio and on anti-corruption.
It does my heart good to know the bastard is in Bangu, one of the nastiest prisons in Rio, probably being anally raped by men still pissed off about his closing Help.
Eszpresszo
09-23-18, 22:24
In the early 90's, I remember that in Rio you could get the "tourist" rate that was 25-40% better than the official rate based on economic conditions and government policy. As RioBob noted, our driver took us to a jewelry store across from the old Rio Roiss Hotel for a better Cruzeiro rate. Obviously, there were currency controls designed to restrict capital leaving the country. Middle and upper class Brazilians knew how to get their rapidly deflating Cruzeiros into Dollars or hard assets like gold and jewelry. I guess that's why jewelry stores were operating in the parallel market.Okay, that totally makes sense. Its been over two decades ago but I met a Brazilian immigrant via his wife, who was taking a continuing ed class with me at a local junior college. He had immigrated in the 80's to attend some private evangelical college in Podunkville, Texas, but eventually settled in Dallas. He explained when he first left for college, how his parents supplied him with a lot of cash in dollars, which his mama sewed inside the pants he wore on the flight to the US. When he arrived, he was interviewed by INS at the airport, though he had a legitimate student visa. They wanted to see if he had adequate funds (I have no idea what would have been required of him) and he told them that they were sewn inside his pants. The cash had been sewn up tight within the pocket his mom had sewn inside a pants leg. He was taken to a private room where he took off his pants, and with a pair of scissors he'd borrowed from the staff, he removed the cash while standing in his underwear. He said the INS guys who were watching him closely were totally amazed and amused by the whole thing. After counting the cash out they let let him enter the country.
Speaking of which, I do recall that customs entering Brazil used to have a reputation for going through your bags when going in and out of the country. My Brazilian acquaintance told me they were even more vigilant that the US customs when he was returning home and leaving, going through his entire luggage thoroughly. Of course, as a native Brazilian he might have gotten different treatment than a tourist. Is that still the case when entering and leaving Brazil?
MongerForSex
09-23-18, 23:22
Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.
Entry is 20 reais.
Good time is back.
Speaking of which, I do recall that customs entering Brazil used to have a reputation for going through your bags when going in and out of the country. My Brazilian acquaintance told me they were even more vigilant that the US customs when he was returning home and leaving, going through his entire luggage thoroughly. Of course, as a native Brazilian he might have gotten different treatment than a tourist. Is that still the case when entering and leaving Brazil?No. I've been traveling to Rio 4 X / year for 25 years and was never checked leaving Rio. There was a period of 6-8 years where they were scanning luggage on arrival, mainly looking for people smuggling in electronics (especially cellphones) beyond the amount allotted by customs. But for the past 5 years or so I have not been scanned. Now they seem to be focused on Brazilians returning with huge amounts of luggage. With their economy in the toilet, they seem to have many fewer federal police and customs officials working at the airport.
Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.
Entry is 20 reais.
Good time is back.Are you sure about this? A place called Help Club opened in Copacabana, at are. Raul Pompeia, 120 (towards Ipanema) in 2017, but by all accounts it was pretty pathetic, and now their website is gone. I know there's a dance club on Rio Branco where a few putas hang out, but I'd be surprised to learn that it's going by Help. If you have more info, please share.
Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.
Entry is 20 reais.
Good time is back.
Another new Help is open. :)
Av Rio Branco is a very long avenida. A street number would be useful.
Did you visit Florida on a Sunday?
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2192-Rio-de-Janeiro-Reports&p=2221667&viewfull=1#post2221667
I have been here in Rio for my first trip to Latin America and just spent the weekend with a very sweet girl I met on Tinder and I have been chatting to Brasilian girls for a few months before this trip that I mainly met online in Tinder, these are regular girls in their twenties and thirties who speak an acceptable level of English, some of whom have travelled abroad to learn English. I have travelled around Eastern Europe and spent alot of time in Pattaya, Bangkok, Angeles and Manila but Rio is just at another level, the city is very nice, with a nicer climate and the Bundas I witnessed on the Copacabana yesterday made the air ticket worth it alone. Latin Women are just at another level to Asian chicks and no disrespect to Asians I love them too, but decided to take a break after 10+ trips around SE Asia, the Latin food for me is far more palatable than the glorified fried sugar which covers most Filipino dishes and the red hot spices of Thailand.
Sadly however this is an extremely dangerous city and within two days of arriving have witnessed more dangerous scenes than in all the months I ever spent in Asia. I got caught up in an Arrastao on Copacabana yesterday and was very lucky to come out of it unscathed, by running across the street to safety. It is like something out of the Walking Dead; and I am an experienced traveler.
I came here as a PUA like I do in Asia I manage to seduce girls (I'm early 30's) and general BS, here in Rio it is more difficult but still achievable. Flakiness is a problem, time keeping scant but when you succeed it is worth it. Weekday action can be harder so I am looking for recommendations for places to go, something like a Frankfurt FKK or Partytreff, ideally with big bundas and a nice mix of black and white latina women. I didn't do much research on the P2 P side of Rio but I've decided to drop some Reai's while I'm here now.
I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?
Mr Enternational
09-24-18, 18:37
Weekday action can be harder so I am looking for recommendations for places to go, something like a Frankfurt FKK or Partytreff, ideally with big bundas and a nice mix of black and white latina women. Go downtown to 4 X4. The address is 44 Rua Buenos Aires.
JuveStadium
09-24-18, 18:37
Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.
Entry is 20 reais.
Good time is back.50=this guy recommends always 50 women.
50=my age.
50=reais my last session.
50=times with her in 50 days.
50=even the rapper cent called himself 50.
50=there is something about this number 50.
I have been here in Rio for my first trip to Latin America and just spent the weekend with a very sweet girl I met on Tinder and I have been chatting to Brasilian girls for a few months before this trip that I mainly met online in Tinder, these are regular girls in their twenties and thirties who speak an acceptable level of English, some of whom have travelled abroad to learn English. I have travelled around Eastern Europe and spent alot of time in Pattaya, Bangkok, Angeles and Manila but Rio is just at another level, the city is very nice, with a nicer climate and the Bundas I witnessed on the Copacabana yesterday made the air ticket worth it alone. Latin Women are just at another level to Asian chicks and no disrespect to Asians I love them too, but decided to take a break after 10+ trips around SE Asia, the Latin food for me is far more palatable than the glorified fried sugar which covers most Filipino dishes and the red hot spices of Thailand.
Sadly however this is an extremely dangerous city and within two days of arriving have witnessed more dangerous scenes than in all the months I ever spent in Asia. I got caught up in an Arrastao on Copacabana yesterday and was very lucky to come out of it unscathed, by running across the street to safety. It is like something out of the Walking Dead; and I am an experienced traveler..I meant to ask how dangerous was this city. What is an arrasto?
I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?I know precisely of what you state I have been pursuing our hobby for over 40 years. Variety is the spice of life but what if you have sampled, on multiple occasions, every race, hue, height, girth or look that there is to partake? For decades my p4p experience has been brothels, street walkers, clubs, casas, saunas, mps, escorts, walk-ups, FKKs, etc. In order to spice things up a bit I have recently resorted to social media and have been in touch with girls mainly through facebook but also via dating sites. Perhaps sessioning girls with whom I am better acquainted might be more exciting especially if I have been in contact with them for a considerable amount of time before I actually meet them in person. However, for me having sex is like eating, I never get tired of it.
HarvestBoi
09-24-18, 23:27
I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?Dude, no. You aren't going anywhere and have to much to contribute anyways.
I've felt like this sometimes too. Usually at the end of a long trip, I usually don't even want to look at a woman. Takes a while for the pressure to rebuild. And the lake longer to refill as I get older but it always DOES refill.
Like Turgid, I find having a more personal and not just transactional vibe is a good anecdote.
Hb.
FuckAfMedDig
09-25-18, 00:03
I meant to ask how dangerous was this city. What is an arrasto?Youngsters running down the beach in packs of 10/20/30+ and grabbing everything they can from everyone.
Used to happen on Nossa Senhora on a Sunday but increased police presence has slowed it down-for now. Mind you the police can be a real pain too in Rio! I have been stopped 5 times at least and ordered out the car on 3 occasions and once got made an ultimatum of either goin to police station to work sth out or go into Mosaico lool. We got stopped near VM. The dirty cop had a deal with Mosaico and he followed us in there and collected money from cashier and went back to his spot down the road! Couple of other instances that were not so cool with police as well-dickheads in general down there especially out of zona sul but I have been stopped and searched twice in Copa and in Ipanema in yellow cabs LOL fuckers.
I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?I'm thinking this is a nice satirical piece, but one never knows.
No, that's not happened to me, and I've been at it for 3 decades. Part of the reason it doesn't get boring is that the women are so different. I have my regular spots (Rio, BKK, Medellin, AC) but have been to dozens of other places. I find the variety stimulating.
We all have our methods for trying to get the best out of a girl. I think if you can get beyond being just another ATM for a girl, the sex with her will stay interesting. I have my best success in Rio because I'm fluent in Portuguese. Being able to crack jokes with and compliment the girls, and even talk with them about local politics and such, makes a huge difference in my experience. The less I seem like and act like a standard-issue sex tourist, the better the response from the girls. I'm less successful in some places where the communication is basically hand signals and fistfuls of cash.
If you get bored with banging Brasileiras, try hooking up with some American girls. That'll have you booking your next trip in no time.
...I've felt like this sometimes too. Usually at the end of a long trip, I usually don't even want to look at a woman. Takes a while for the pressure to rebuild. And the lake longer to refill as I get older but it always DOES refill.
I have been mongering for 20+ years and felt this way many times. Luckily, it has always been temporary. Stay away from the poon a while and things will change. The man has got to eat sometimes.
No. I've been traveling to Rio 4 X / year for 25 years and was never checked leaving Rio. There was a period of 6-8 years where they were scanning luggage on arrival, mainly looking for people smuggling in electronics (especially cellphones) beyond the amount allotted by customs. But for the past 5 years or so I have not been scanned. Now they seem to be focused on Brazilians returning with huge amounts of luggage. With their economy in the toilet, they seem to have many fewer federal police and customs officials working at the airport.Okay BwanaD, who are you? Are you the famous monger Bwana Dik? Or are you hijacking someone's identity?
If you're not the original, any handle with Bwana should be retired.
Okay BwanaD, who are you? Are you the famous monger Bwana Dik? Or are you hijacking someone's identity?
If you're not the original, any handle with Bwana should be retired.That's me. Just shortening the handle. Still hitting Rio regularly (back next week).
I think what I probably need to do is plan to take a long break off. And then when I come back, just stick to the two places that have never let me down. That would be Brazil and Germany. I've traveled to enough other places around the world that I don't feel like I would be missing anything. It would be great to get that feeling back that I had when I first started my career going to Costa Rica, but I think that's probably long gone, and will never come back. I would fly in for 10 days or so and fuck every pretty thing to my tastes that moved! Day 1 I would slam fuck like 7 different girls and nut in every single one of them! Day 2 fuck like 4 or 5 more and cum multiple times. Day 3 fuck 1 and jizz. Then day 4 not fuck anybody hahaha! But then after that settle into a steady flow of 2 a day until the end of the trip. All different girls! Those were the days! I wasn't getting it like that back at home. And unless you're a rock star who was?
I discovered bigger and better and have not been back to Costa Rica in years. But, I will always remember it fondly because that's where I started my international mongering career. I've been planning to take time away from the hobby. I think that I will go for one more year, then go ahead and take that break without any firm thoughts about when I might come back. And when I do, I will stick almost exclusively with Brazil and Germany. Switzerland would be good too, but it's too expensive for me given the length of sessions that I enjoy (1 hour) and my strong desire for a high percentage of anal. In no other countries have I found P4P anal sex to be as prevalent as in Brazil and Germany. Not even close.
Also, I have to say that I am "afraid" to go back to non-pros. After a decade and a half of quality PSE sex with so, so many young, attractive prostitutes, I'm pretty certain that the non-pro scene could never satisfy me sexually again. So, I will be sticking with the pros for the rest of my life, and I continue to have zero interest in marriage. After all. I like saying "how much". That part of the excitement has never left me. To purchase the bodily orifices of a willing other person for my own sexual pleasures, and hopefully for hers too. I like saying how much and paying for it in an open and transparent, mutually agreed upon transaction. I like that. Yes I do.
Youngsters running down the beach in packs of 10/20/30+ and grabbing everything they can from everyone.
Used to happen on Nossa Senhora on a Sunday but increased police presence has slowed it down-for now. Mind you the police can be a real pain too in Rio! I have been stopped 5 times at least and ordered out the car on 3 occasions and once got made an ultimatum of either goin to police station to work sth out or go into Mosaico lool. We got stopped near VM. The dirty cop had a deal with Mosaico and he followed us in there and collected money from cashier and went back to his spot down the road! Couple of other instances that were not so cool with police as well-dickheads in general down there especially out of zona sul but I have been stopped and searched twice in Copa and in Ipanema in yellow cabs LOL fuckers.Shit just another thing to worry about. Can't even monger in peace.
BlueChange
09-25-18, 11:47
Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.
Entry is 20 reais.
Good time is back.It is not back. Help was not just a place. It was a moment in time. A mindset. The rhythm of the people and the city and girls have shifted.
It's like when they do a reunion tv show, everyone sees thru the thinly veiled rouge.
Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.
Entry is 20 reais.
Good time is back.Fake ass Help. Good times are no more.
Cutting the amount of time spent at the destination to find your sweet spot (leave while you still can look at the girl with a desire to fuck) helps a lot.
Threesomes, foursomes, and more somes may break a routine.
Rotation of mongering destinations almost always works.
A sex-free day should not be underestimated.
I don't know guys. I think that maybe after a decade and a half of mongering I'm starting to get bored with it. I mean, how many times can you get your dick sucked and "skeet" in a pretty girl's lips or fuck hot girls in the butt before you get tired of it? I mean, what's next? Has anybody else here come to this point in your mongering career, or perhaps already been there but found some way to overcome and continue to enjoy the hobby?
And I was not even looking for it too hard.
In no other countries have I found P4P anal sex to be as prevalent as in Brazil and Germany. Not even close.
And I was not even looking for it too hard.I got some anal in Thailand but not much. I think they were scared I had a big dong. Those Thai girls can't take a lot of big dick you know LOL!
Cutting the amount of time spent at the destination to find your sweet spot (leave while you still can look at the girl with a desire to fuck) helps a lot.
Threesomes, foursomes, and more somes may break a routine.
Rotation of mongering destinations almost always works.
A sex-free day should not be underestimated.I normally take a day or two off every trip.
I think what I probably need to do is plan to take a long break off. And then when I come back, just stick to the two places that have never let me down. That would be Brazil and Germany. I've traveled to enough other places around the world that I don't feel like I would be missing anything. It would be great to get that feeling back that I had when I first started my career going to Costa Rica, but I think that's probably long gone, and will never come back. I would fly in for 10 days or so and fuck every pretty thing to my tastes that moved! Day 1 I would slam fuck like 7 different girls and nut in every single one of them! Day 2 fuck like 4 or 5 more and cum multiple times. Day 3 fuck 1 and jizz. Then day 4 not fuck anybody hahaha! But then after that settle into a steady flow of 2 a day until the end of the trip. All different girls! Those were the days! I wasn't getting it like that back at home. And unless you're a rock star who was?
I discovered bigger and better and have not been back to Costa Rica in years. But, I will always remember it fondly because that's where I started my international mongering career. I've been planning to take time away from the hobby. I think that I will go for one more year, then go ahead and take that break without any firm thoughts about when I might come back. And when I do, I will stick almost exclusively with Brazil and Germany. Switzerland would be good too, but it's too expensive for me given the length of sessions that I enjoy (1 hour) and my strong desire for a high percentage of anal. In no other countries have I found P4P anal sex to be as prevalent as in Brazil and Germany. Not even close.
Also, I have to say that I am "afraid" to go back to non-pros. After a decade and a half of quality PSE sex with so, so many young, attractive prostitutes, I'm pretty certain that the non-pro scene could never satisfy me sexually again. So, I will be sticking with the pros for the rest of my life, and I continue to have zero interest in marriage. After all. I like saying "how much". That part of the excitement has never left me. To purchase the bodily orifices of a willing other person for my own sexual pleasures, and hopefully for hers too. I like saying how much and paying for it in an open and transparent, mutually agreed upon transaction. I like that. Yes I do.You were lucky to start off your career at a time when you had money. I started mine in good old NYC in the early 1970's when I was really poor. One session was about $10; I would jerk off before meeting a street walker so I would not come too quickly. I remember jerking off after as well. One was all I could afford and then once a week. As I earned more I was able to upgrade to 2 per week and sometimes more. We seem to have the same tastes in women, I spent 3 months in Brazil earlier this year and not too long returned from 3 months in Germany. However, unlike you I'm putting Thailand in the mix, I plan to spend most of next year in Pattaya where I've previously spent not more than a week, I heard it can get pretty boring there but I'm trusting the gogo girls, bar girls, street walkers and massage girls to keep me fully occupied.
Has anyone used their ATM card recently in rio? What kind of rate were you getting. My friend tolf me the cambios were all in collusion and werent giving more then 4 reais to the dollar no matter what the international rate was. I am wonderng whatthe best option is for my trip next month.
I remember back in 2002-2003 I only used my citibank ATM card for like a 3 year period. The ATM was giving in the 3. 90's range and the cabios would only give you like 3. 50 R in exchange. They wouldn't budge so I was "Screw them" and only used my car.
I got some anal in Thailand but not much. I think they were scared I had a big dong. Those Thai girls can't take a lot of big dick you know LOL!Ditto. The oil massage places will often have a girl or two who will do anal, but they are often the older girls who only get clients by offering up their ass. Annie's Massage typically had some who do anal (caveat, I haven't been there in years because the girls were way past their use-by dates), but I can't remember finding a girl in any of the Nana or Cowboy clubs who was a three-holes.
HungryStud101
09-26-18, 01:21
Sadly however this is an extremely dangerous city and within two days of arriving have witnessed more dangerous scenes than in all the months I ever spent in Asia. I got caught up in an Arrastao on Copacabana yesterday and was very lucky to come out of it unscathed, by running across the street to safety. It is like something out of the Walking Dead; and I am an experienced traveler.
I came here as a PUA like I do in Asia I manage to seduce girls (I'm early 30's) and general BS, here in Rio it is more difficult but still achievable. Flakiness is a problem, time keeping scant but when you succeed it is worth it. Weekday action can be harder so I am looking for recommendations for places to go, something like a Frankfurt FKK or Partytreff, ideally with big bundas and a nice mix of black and white latina women. I didn't do much research on the P2 P side of Rio but I've decided to drop some Reai's while I'm here now.I did a Google search on the arrastao. This is scary shit. I got pick pocketed in Rio at a Blocko in Rio during Carnaval and it was a mad house (the actual Cranaval was very safe and I would love to go back). The beach was always fun for me. I have never seen anything like this.
It has been awhile but during the week Quatro Por Quatro is the best termas. A termas is like a FKK. I enjoyed my visits to the Termas Centaurus and Monte Carlo. I use to walk down Atlantica and pick up girls in front of Balcony which I know is closed but the girls must still be there on top of cars. A nice trip to Vila Mimosa is a nice excursion (you can search my handle and read my report on Vila Mimosa.) This is the RLD for Rio and I had a fun time. L'umo used to be the Sunday night Termas but that is long gone. You can try Termas Solarium. I don't know the clinica scene but this is my favorite thing to do in Sampa. Try one of these girls. Your in Brazil.
Girls are everywhere. But beware: Their not all GDPs.http://www.hotside.com.br/acompanhantes-garotas-de-programa-rio-de-janeiro-rj.html.
I remember Barbarellas too. I never made the program there. I was too lazy and went to the Termas or the Balcony bar but there was a modest entrance fee at Barbarellas and/or a two drink cover. Next to the Balcony is Dolce Vita. A night club that I always passed.
They say that Centaurus was the tourist Termas and I have heard this about the pricing of girls in Barbarellas too but I can tell you this: I have made the program with alumni of these institutions in the United States and paid 450 $/ hour. The Centaurus girl is now getting 600 USD / hour but will see lucky me for 500 $ USD. So don't worry about spending an extra 100 R or so LOL. It is all a better deal than anything I can find in this sex prison we call home.
Best to search these places in the forum and read recent reports.
Good luck and stay safe.
I was in Brazil the last five weeks for my annual work stint and in and out of Rio on three separate occasions, each for about 2 days. I made the most of my time and managed to squeeze in 10 excellent sessions. I had two Sunday nights free, and with limited options went on one of those nights with a website girl, Chanel from Riosexsite. Beautiful girl and very good service in her pretty decent Copa apartment. The other Sunday I hooked up with Cristina, a girl I'the met at Monte Carlo last year. She was as cute, fun, and sweet as I remembered.
The other six girls were all at prives Emporio do Banho, Onix, Bel Prazer, and Copa 583 - and all recommended on the local forums. I mostly used forumx, and, as has been my experience in the past, their reviews were spot on. All of the girls were beautiful and provided excellent GFE service. The line-up at Emporio do Banho on several visits was particularly impressive, the best I saw of the four prives. I repeated with two girls there. It was my first visit to Copa 583 and their facilities were atypically new and very nice if that's important to you.
If you want all the answers to the test before you show up for class, check those local forums.
In response to recent posts, though anything can happen anywhere, I was fortunate to find Rio to be as fun and mellow as ever with only nice people and good experiences everywhere I went. But of course situational awareness and common travel sense are good tools to have at hand.
As for getting burnt out on the scene, if I was going to Latin America or anyplace else just for mongering, I know I'the get bored very quickly and would probably abandon the hobby, in part because I'm just too old for that. My fortunate cure is that I'm lucky enough to be there for work so having great sex with some pros (my definite preference, too) on my few days off when I really need to blow off some steam, is still amazingly fun.
Bdonkadonk
09-26-18, 03:57
I was in Cancun today and discovered that they have a new thing now and that is a lottery. You will participate in the lottery with the number of your locker and the prize is a free 40 minute session. As far as I understand you can not get the prize for a session that you had before the draw in the lottery, but if you are in the middle of a session when the winner is announced you will get it for free. Or if you are doing an hour session you will pay the difference from the 40 minutes up to the price for the one hour session.
The draw for the lottery is eight o'clock and I was in a room with a girl at that time but of course I didn't win. I don't know if this has been mentioned earlier in a post here but I'd thought I might share the information because it is good to know about it. The lottery is everyday and the winner will have to use the prize for a 40 minute session the same day and it can not be saved for another day.
That's me. Just shortening the handle. Still hitting Rio regularly (back next week).I'm glad you're still out there Bwana. Have you thought about reviving your infamous Rio guide here on ISG? I know it helped me when I was a wide-eyed newbie.
You were lucky to start off your career at a time when you had money.Yeah, I tell myself that all the time. Otherwise, I would have ended up one broke bastard LOL! Or frustrated as hell knowing what was out there when I couldn't have any of it due to a lack of resources.
I'm glad you're still out there Bwana. Have you thought about reviving your infamous Rio guide here on ISG? I know it helped me when I was a wide-eyed newbie.Yes, Bwana's guide was the original! Some came later trying to pass his stuff off as their own, but we all knew who the original master guide writer for Brazil was!
I'm glad you're still out there Bwana. Have you thought about reviving your infamous Rio guide here on ISG? I know it helped me when I was a wide-eyed newbie.I've toyed with an update, even made a couple of false starts. So much has changed! I may get to it yet. I still get email from guys with copies of the guide, which amazes me, since the last edition was in 2009.
I've toyed with an update, even made a couple of false starts. So much has changed! I may get to it yet. I still get email from guys with copies of the guide, which amazes me, since the last edition was in 2009.I believe I started reading your stuff around 2000. You were one of the first on-line English speakers to report comprehensive details on Florianopolis. So many faces and names have come and gone, Don, his sister Rhonda and Kenn the apartment booker. Many local hustlers trying to make a buck as drivers, guides, local investment advisors, etc. I remember a well-known Rio guy named Jace. Jace looked so sad at TA when I described hooking up with his favorite 4 x4 girl. He was an interesting guy. Total accident, of course, that I met this redhead "his girl". I lost track of her when she went off to Europe.
I just thought of having morning sex in those rooms facing out at the ocean at the old Arpoador Inn. Girlfriend friendly hotel with the closest rooms to the water.
Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.
Entry is 20 reais.
Good time is back.I have said before, all we have to do is pick a nice, big club in the Copa or Ipanema area and say that the club we will all go to when we in town. It will be known as the club where the gringos hangout and the girls will follow.
Yes, Bwana's guide was the original! Some came later trying to pass his stuff off as their own, but we all knew who the original master guide writer for Brazil was!Funny you say that. Back in about 2007 I was poking around on Amazon and found that some guy was publishing and selling my guide online through Amazon! Since Amazon lists the seller info, I contacted him (I'm a lawyer) and told him I'd be initiating a suit. Dude quickly agreed to pull it from Amazon. Amazon provided information on how many copies had been sold, and I collected all the proceeds from the guy in exchange for not taking him to court for damages.
The guide was always free, and I was pissed that someone tried to cash in on it.
I believe I started reading your stuff around 2000. You were one of the first on-line English speakers to report comprehensive details on Florianopolis. So many faces and names have come and gone, Don, his sister Rhonda and Kenn the apartment booker. Many local hustlers trying to make a buck as drivers, guides, local investment advisors, etc. I remember a well-known Rio guy named Jace. Jace looked so sad at TA when I described hooking up with his favorite 4 x4 girl. He was an interesting guy. Total accident, of course, that I met this redhead "his girl". I lost track of her when she went off to Europe.
I just thought of having morning sex in those rooms facing out at the ocean at the old Arpoador Inn. Girlfriend friendly hotel with the closest rooms to the water.Thanks. I was living down in Porto Alegre for awhile, so Florida was a short hop away and I got over there often. It's a lovely place, and I still get there every other year to relax.
I'm still in touch with a lot of the old Rio guys, like Don, Ken, Kenn, Rhonda, and many others. Poor Jace developed severe back problems and had to hang up his mongering shoes.
I stayed at the Arpoador Inn for many years, always in the oceanfront rooms, finally switching to apartments because of the flexibility they offer. Two years ago I was back in town for a short meeting and stayed there again. The rooms were basically the same, but the restaurant was much nicer. Fucking while listening to the surf was awesome. Next time I was in town the building had been gutted. It's still under construction, but looks like a condo is going in there. Sigh.
Thanks. I was living down in Porto Alegre for awhile, so Florida was a short hop away and I got over there often. It's a lovely place, and I still get there every other year to relax.
I'm still in touch with a lot of the old Rio guys, like Don, Ken, Kenn, Rhonda, and many others. Poor Jace developed severe back problems and had to hang up his mongering shoes.
I stayed at the Arpoador Inn for many years, always in the oceanfront rooms, finally switching to apartments because of the flexibility they offer. Two years ago I was back in town for a short meeting and stayed there again. The rooms were basically the same, but the restaurant was much nicer. Fucking while listening to the surf was awesome. Next time I was in town the building had been gutted. It's still under construction, but looks like a condo is going in there. Sigh.I had drinks with Jace in 2016. We had bonded in Rio many years ago through Don. Hit places together, shared Vitamin V and generally chilled quite a bit.
Still got the sixth edition from 2006; can't repost here as the pdf file is too large.
Eszpresszo
09-28-18, 04:36
I have said before, all we have to do is pick a nice, big club in the Copa or Ipanema area and say that the club we will all go to when we in town. It will be known as the club where the gringos hangout and the girls will follow.And they would try to gouge the tourists just because they are tourists. I would not go to a place like that.
Let me ask a question to the more experience members of this forum. Aren't girls offering P4 P services available in places that are not sexually oriented businesses or oriented towards tourists? Is it possible to regularly find casual prostitutes and the odd WG in different clubs and social gatherings where people are necessarily going to pay or receive money for sex? One thing I happened across in the Dominican Republic was prostitutes hanging around the colmados. Maybe not full time prostitutes but maybe girls looking for some extra cash. Then again, every girl I paid for sex in the DR claimed that she was not a prostitute, and typically claimed she was only looking for a boyfriend. Obviously this is not to found everywhere in the world. Its been stressed on the Colombia forum that there isn't a gray area with the Colombianas. They are either WG or they are not (selling their bodies). But, I think you see what I am getting at.
20 years ago I would still have had enough game to pull local girls with legitimate romantic intentions. I'm long past that now and frankly don't want that either. But, I am wondering how common is it to encounter P4P girls at bars and other places. I suspect its easier than one thinks, and probably could make the mongering experience a lot easier instead of fantasizing about resurrecting some old pick up joint for hookers. Hey, if you want to shoot fish in a barrel, then go to Sosua or Pattaya. Some of us like to hunt (or fish if you like) once in a while.
ForceSteeler
09-28-18, 09:20
And they would try to gouge the tourists just because they are tourists.
I happened across in the Dominican Republic was prostitutes hanging around the colmados. Maybe not full time prostitutes but maybe girls looking for some extra cash. Then again, every girl I paid for sex in the DR claimed that she was not a prostitute, and typically claimed she was only looking for a boyfriend. In my experience Most people do not have self confidence. Almost any girl can be had. Some of them claim they want boyfriend because they do not want that stigma of being labeled a prostitute. Just like some guys refuse to pay for sex, because they feel it hurts there ego.
Some people care too much about what other people think about them.
I have said before, all we have to do is pick a nice, big club in the Copa or Ipanema area and say that the club we will all go to when we in town. It will be known as the club where the gringos hangout and the girls will follow.It's more possible than people realize. As many of us know, Help Disco wasn't opened as a mongering destination, but rather as a regular, civilian nightclub. Very likely, a few hot girls went to Help in the 80's hearing there would be relatively affluent gringos present. They hooked-up and word spread to other girls and other gringoes. You didn't even have the internet spread the word. It's amazing how something like Help could develop before the internet. The internet finally drove Help's last and peak years. Gringoes from all over the world came to meet young Brasileiras from all over Brasil at Help.
So I agree, word would spread fast. We know what's in it for the monger. For the young girls, they can drink, dance and if they choose, go home with a guy of their choosing.
In my experience Most people do not have self confidence. Almost any girl can be had. Some of them claim they want boyfriend because they do not want that stigma of being labeled a prostitute. Just like some guys refuse to pay for sex, because they feel it hurts there ego.
Some people care too much about what other people think about them.So true, it would tire me hearing guys telling me how they "dated" a few girls in Rio on their one week vacation. Yeah, they hung out with you and fucked you because you were on a date. You were so charming.
FuckAfMedDig
09-28-18, 17:06
And they would try to gouge the tourists just because they are tourists. I would not go to a place like that.
Let me ask a question to the more experience members of this forum. Aren't girls offering P4 P services available in places that are not sexually oriented businesses or oriented towards tourists? Is it possible to regularly find casual prostitutes and the odd WG in different clubs and social gatherings where people are necessarily going to pay or receive money for sex? One thing I happened across in the Dominican Republic was prostitutes hanging around the colmados. Maybe not full time prostitutes but maybe girls looking for some extra cash. Then again, every girl I paid for sex in the DR claimed that she was not a prostitute, and typically claimed she was only looking for a boyfriend. Obviously this is not to found everywhere in the world. Its been stressed on the Colombia forum that there isn't a gray area with the Colombianas. They are either WG or they are not (selling their bodies). But, I think you see what I am getting at.
20 years ago I would still have had enough game to pull local girls with legitimate romantic intentions. I'm long past that now and frankly don't want that either. But, I am wondering how common is it to encounter P4P girls at bars and other places. I suspect its easier than one thinks, and probably could make the mongering experience a lot easier instead of fantasizing about resurrecting some old pick up joint for hookers. Hey, if you want to shoot fish in a barrel, then go to Sosua or Pattaya. Some of us like to hunt (or fish if you like) once in a while.In my experience putas go out in Rio like any other girls after work but not to be a puta!! I think the net and dating sites might be easier to run some.
Sugar daddy shit on them or payment. But I know others have had good results offering some $ out socially-my whole thing is that there are so many specific spots for putas in Rio and so many non pro spots as well. I wouldn't personally ask someone in a non pro spot to come home for reais but that's just me.
Mr Enternational
09-28-18, 17:33
I wouldn't personally ask someone in a non pro spot to come home for reais but that's just me.Me either. But we have a lot of ISGers that believe if a woman fucked you then they are expecting money. If that was the case then there are chicks that I have been fucking for years and they have not said anything about money yet. You think they would have starved to death by now.
If you are a prostitute parading as a non-prostitute around me then you better speak up beforehand. To me women are just like food and drink, there are a lot of things that I will eat and drink if they are free, but you wouldn't catch me ordering it if I had to pay for it.
I will also add that there are chicks that go both ways. Back in the day, I met a chick on Cupid. She told me she worked in some office bla bla bla. I got to Rio and she wanted me to go to Rio Sul with her to buy a new washing machine. We got there and she pulled out a big wad of cash. I think they didn't have the machine she wanted though. It was one of those bait and switch things that she saw in the newspaper. So it was all good with this chick. She never asked me for anything.
Fast forward a couple months later and I go to Rio. I walk in front of Help and guess who is standing there. I was laughing my ass off. She kept trying to explain and kept asking to go with me. So where as some may have met her as a hooker, I did not meet her in that mode and she never asked anything from me. She has since moved to Southern France about 10 years ago. We used to keep in touch but fell out of touch. YMMV.
Personally I think a new place like Help will never open again. Anyway nothing even close to be similar to the old Help.
Times have changed. In all over Brazil, no capital excluded, there has been a clean-up. Brazil doesn't want to be a destination for sex tourism. In the 80s and early 90s things were very much different. Even Embratur, the Brazilian Tourist Board, did their best to promote Brazil as a monger destination. In the Rio guide brochures handed out to tourists at the airport there were lots of adds advertising termas.
Brazil doesn't miss the dollar from the sex tourists. There are tons of regular tourists coming to Brazil who doesn't look for sex. Just compare the lines of tourists, at Praça do Lido, waiting for the shuttle vans to Corcovado to the few numbers of tourists hanging out at Mabs.
Also, the mongering crowd who still continue going to Rio is very different from what it used to be. The majority of the mongers in Copacabana used to be a younger crowd. Lots of party at the beach, Meia Pataca, Terraço Atlântico and Help. The girls were busy.
I do my best to avoid Mabs, but on my rare visits it seems like the average age on the mongers is well above 50. Old guys sipping their choppes and hardly giving any business to the ladies.
I still love Rio just as much as I did in 1991. It continues to be the most beautiful city in the world. Still very easy to meet regular girls and plenty of puteiros in Centro. :)
JuveStadium
09-28-18, 17:59
So true, it would tire me hearing guys telling me how they "dated" a few girls in Rio on their one week vacation. Yeah, they hung out with you and fucked you because you were on a date. You were so charming.Yeah right.
All of you experts for putas are dating non pros on your 1-2 weeks trips.
But the real truth is 99% of them are WG who are pretending not to be ones.
Like your all pretending and lying about who are you meeting with be real hypocrites.
Brazilian new generations of women are not into gringos anymore.
And the WG are always going to pretend that they're not WG.
JuveStadium
09-28-18, 18:18
Brazil doesn't miss the dollar from the sex tourists. There are tons of regular tourists coming to Brazil who doesn't look for sex. Just compare the lines of tourists, at Praça do Lido, waiting for the shuttle vans to Corcovado to the few numbers of tourists hanging out at Mabs.
Personally I think a new place like Help will never open again. Anyway nothing even close to be similar to the old Help.
Times have changed. In all over Brazil, no capital excluded, there has been a clean-up. Brazil doesn't want to be a destination for sex tourism.You're closer to the political climate than most of us.
I suppose we hold out hope something like Scandallo could open up and gain popularity. Perhaps somewhere that is in a less visible part of Rio than Avenida Atlantica. Sao Paulo is not a global tourist destination. I suppose the authorities aren't too concerned about the boates there.
I did notice Help Disco especially after the internet explosion was fairly young. I could call my young buddies and say "hey, do you want to go to a beautiful tropical beach destination where you're 100% sure to get laid every day by hot Latin girls?" We had to restrict the numbers in our entourage. In retrospect, I think the girls, while playing the game and plying their trade, did appreciate hanging out with young guys and having a good time.
Eszpresszo
09-29-18, 03:39
Personally I think a new place like Help will never open again. Anyway nothing even close to be similar to the old Help.
Times have changed. In all over Brazil, no capital excluded, there has been a clean-up.
I still love Rio just as much as I did in 1991. It continues to be the most beautiful city in the world. Still very easy to meet regular girls and plenty of puteiros in Centro.Good and informative post. But, let me ask you a question. If all the capitals have changed, have they all been impacted to the same extent? I keep hearing good things about Fortaleza. Is it fair to ask if cities not pulling in the tourists will be less impacted by such politics? Most people I know have heard of Rio De Janiero, but would be hard pressed to think of the name of any other city in Brazil. So, I have to wonder if the focus of these house cleaning activities is on Brazil's major tourist destination. Your thoughts, please.
ForceSteeler
09-29-18, 12:13
Brazil doesn't miss the dollar from the sex tourists. There are tons of regular tourists coming to Brazil who doesn't look for sex. Just compare the lines of tourists, at Praa do Lido, waiting for the shuttle vans to Corcovado to the few numbers of tourists hanging out at Mabs.
Also, the mongering crowd who still continue going to Rio is very different from what it used to be. The majority of the mongers in Copacabana used to be a younger crowd. Lots of party at the beach, Meia Pataca, Terrao Atlntico and Help. The girls were busy.
I do my best to avoid Mabs, but on my rare visits it seems like the average age on the mongers is well above 50. Old guys sipping their choppes and hardly giving any business to the ladies.Brazil is in a recession right now. Last year I was in Rio De Janeiro around the Copacabana area. A lot of restaurants were closing or just barely had costumers like they use too. A lot of nice luxury apartments on Airbnb use to be $100-$300 per night. You can now rent them for as little as $40-$60 right now. It seems like after the World Cup and the Olympics everything went down. Even the girls I talk to in the Termas tell me business is very slow. I think they need all the sex tourist dollars they can get. Sex tourism does boost the local economy.
Now as for Help. I think there is a possibility that another Help can re-open. But I think its because Brazil is not a cheap destination like how it was in the 80's,90's and pre 2000's. Back then flights too Brazil were $400-$500 Dollars max. Now flights are starting at $1,000 and depending on where you live sometimes $2,000 and then you have to factor in food, women and a place to stay. You can easily spend $4,000-$5000. Prices like that keep most mongers away. When you go to places like Mabs, or when you visit the termas, I personally do not see too many Gringos like before when I first starting going in 2009,2010. I Think its all supply and demand. If alot of gringos started going to Brazil and start flooding Brazil. You will see places like Mabs flooded with beautiful women as there is a chance for them to make alot of money. When you go to mabs its mostly old guys and there not trying to trick off there retirement check like that.
Good and informative post. But, let me ask you a question. If all the capitals have changed, have they all been impacted to the same extent? I keep hearing good things about Fortaleza. Is it fair to ask if cities not pulling in the tourists will be less impacted by such politics? Most people I know have heard of Rio De Janiero, but would be hard pressed to think of the name of any other city in Brazil. So, I have to wonder if the focus of these house cleaning activities is on Brazil's major tourist destination. Your thoughts, please.
All capitals in Brazil have been affected by clean-ups, even those capitals that are no major tourist destinations. However, capitals that are tourist destinations have been more affected. You mentioned Fortaleza, it has been very much affected.
The only clean-up exception is propably Săo Paulo.
All capitals in Brazil have been affected by clean-ups, even those capitals that are no major tourist destinations. However, capitals that are tourist destinations have been more affected. You mentioned Fortaleza, it has been very much affected.
The only clean-up exception is propably So Paulo.Why do you suppose the scene in Sao Paulo has been relatively left alone?
FuckAfMedDig
09-30-18, 00:45
Yeah right.
All of you experts for putas are dating non pros on your 1-2 weeks trips.
But the real truth is 99% of them are WG who are pretending not to be ones.
Like your all pretending and lying about who are you meeting with be real hypocrites.
Brazilian new generations of women are not into gringos anymore.
And the WG are always going to pretend that they're not WG.It is very possible to meet and go on dates with non pros during a week or a 2 week stay-just work dating sites a month before to build rapport and don't tell the girls how short a time you staying. That's game. Make up excuse to go home for emergency lool.
I agree with Sperto non pros are quite easy and many girls want to leave Rio so we are an attractive option if we as well speak portugues! I love Rio Same way-it evolves proportionally with increase in language skills. If you want non pros learn the language. I see more non pros.
Than putas. Maybe 80-20 most trips. Non pros are just as freaky as pros I find. ❤65039; And god bless Brazil. Mind you if Bolsonaro wins-the Brazil's answer to Trump-shit might change a bit but Rio.
Historically has always been a working girl house. A burlesque working girl house by the sea and it's so ingrained in the culture it will find its way in Rio whether it's more CLínicas / online etc.
Just returned from a recent short trip to Rio. Day 1 was a bust I needed to rest. Day 2 I stopped at Mabs at about 1630 I didn't expect to find anyone but to my surprise 1 beautiful chica with the most beautiful tan Polynesian looking skin. Her name was Marcela. I would say she was 26-28. She wanted 300 and we negotiated it to 250. Off we go to my apartment she did everything I asked and wasn't a clock watcher. I'm not saying she stayed a long time but longer than an hour. I enjoyed it so much I gave her 300. I was just spent and as she got dressed I asked her if she would do a threesome. She said sure I like girls. I said I like blonds that are young and not heavy. We agreed to meet the next day at Mabs at 1600 and she said the girl she wanted was a nosho. For the next 30 minutes she would thumb thru her phone and show me pictures of girls and ask if they were ok. If so she would call and leave a message. After a while her phone started ringing with replies. I chose a pretty blond named Rosy. (a blond named Rosy,go figure) 20 minutes later Rosy shows and were off to my apartment. I'm not going to give you a boring blow by blow description but let me say this. In my life I have had many threesomes. None were perfect even the good ones were just a little disappointing. This one was an hour I will never forget. Old spike is standing at attention just thinking about it. I will just make 1 short comment about the event. As they were disrobing they were deep kissing then when naked Rosy directed Marcela to lay on the bed on her stomach as Rosy crawled up between her legs she pulled up her ass and started giving her a rimjob. Total damage 600. If interested pm me for Marcelas phone number.
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If I am in the business of selling burgers from a concession truck and my clientele has fallen off and I am making a loss I will eventually have to close down the business all together. Ladies of the night are businesswomen and if their customer base has reduced significantly they will eventually find something else to do with their lives.
The world is currently in recession and there are no longer the vast numbers of men with disposable income traveling to exotic locations to get their freak on. I have observed from since around 2010 a decline in the p4p experience world wide. The quality and quantity of working girls has declined significantly in every major mongering destination. The only establishments I can think of that have not waned are German FKKs which I believe is due to the business smarts of the owners of these clubs. There has not been an increase in official prices in over a decade and in fact the entrance fee for many of them have been reduced.
I believe the problem in Rio is not a cleanup but just that the jefes are unable to pay the authorities the under the table payments that used to flow freely in the past and the authorities have reacted by clamping down on those establishments from which they are receiving no cash.
Some hobbyists are under the mistaken view that in a recession more women would be out of a job and as a result turn to prostitution but that is not necessarily the case, if it were so then the poorest countries would have the highest incidences of p4p but that is not so. It appears that recession has the opposite effect of reducing the prevalence of our hobby. The economics of p4p like economics generally can be complicated.
All capitals in Brazil have been affected by clean-ups, even those capitals that are no major tourist destinations. However, capitals that are tourist destinations have been more affected. You mentioned Fortaleza, it has been very much affected.
The only clean-up exception is propably So Paulo.The mongering scene has changed all throughout Brazil, but I'm not convinced it's even mainly due to governments in the cities and states trying to clean up their images.
Yes, the in-your-face mongering spots are largely gone. Help, Terrao Atlntico, Meia Pataca, Balcony Bar, all gone. But there's a Portuguese phrase in popular use in Brazil-Para os Ingles ver" (for the English to see) --that helps account for this. Many Brazilians are embarrassed to have their country (or Cariocas, their city) known as sex tourist destination. So they clean it up--for the English (foreigners) to see--but they do not touch the places that are largely out of sight for the foreigners: the termas, the fast-fuck casas, the massage places, even Vila Mimosa. These places have always catered to locals more than visitors because they can be hard to find, and with the exception of the termas, almost no one in the places speaks anything but Portuguese. But there are literally hundreds of privs in Copacabana and, especially, Centro, where 2, 3 or more girls are open for business.
The thing that's changed mongering in Brazil more than anything else is the internet. Over time, girls realized that they didn't have to hang out in a bar all day in Copacabana hoping to find a customer. Now they can advertise on any of dozens of websites (like photoacompanhantes.com) and simply wait for a guy to book an appointment. Lots of the girls I know use various social media (Facebook, Tinder, IG, Tumblr) to get their photos and info out, and every girl I know uses WhatsApp to communicate with customers and book appointments. Many of the girls prefer this arrangement to either working in a club for someone who takes a big cut of their earnings or hanging out in a street side bar all evening.
The internet allows girls to work on their own schedule, and so you end up with a fair number of part-time putas who are trying to pull in some extra cash because their hair salon or store cashier jobs pay shit. For example, I have a "friend" I've been banging for a few years. She now owns a hair salon, and she refers some of her stylists who are interested in making a little extra cash to me. I'm headed to Rio tomorrow, and today she sent me photos and contact info for two of her girls.
One side effect of the importance of the internet and social media is that it makes prostitution less visible, which makes the politicians happy, but also makes it harder for visitors, especially those who don't speak Portuguese pretty well, to find the girls and set something up.
It seems to me that there's been no downturn in the amount of prostitution in any of the Brazilian cities I visit, but it's all moved out of the public's eye. And it's nowhere near as accessible to the novice monger who doesn't speak the language. I suspect that new mongers would struggle in Brazil, and that's why many drift to Pattaya, AC, and other places where you can walk into a club, pick out a girl, and head off with her.
Eszpresszo
10-01-18, 00:36
But I think its because Brazil is not a cheap destination like how it was in the 80's,90's and pre 2000's. Back then flights too Brazil were $400-$500 Dollars max. Now flights are starting at $1,000 and depending on where you live sometimes $2,000 and then you have to factor in food, women and a place to stay. I don't think you are factoring in the rate of inflation for the USD. Food, women, and a place to stay? You mean they used to be free? Hey, no flight to anywhere costs what it did, two or three decades ago. $500 in 1888 equals $1065 today and $500 in 1998 would equal $773. And it should come as no surprise that flights to other destinations are higher than they once were. Heck, I flew from JFK to AMS for $250 round trip, back in 1978. I also earn a lot more money in pure numerical terms than I did in 1978. But, travel abroad also seemed less back in 1978, because I was young and still living with family. I had no significant living costs and my small paychecks for my entry level jobs were pure money to burn. But, once you factor in inflation, that $250 would be just shy of a grand in 2018. But, my point here is that based on the figures you are putting up, airfare to Brazil is not really any higher than it was two or three decades ago when you factor in inflation and wage growth.
I've actually found flights to Brazil and back lately, for around $773 and even a last minute fare to SP for under $700. They can also be two or three grand if you don't shop around. By most accounts from the travel industry veterans I've met, airfare to Latin America has been historically volatile, even before the internet brought inventory management to our desktops. And I'm pretty sure you are not earning the same salary now, that you did 20 years ago.
I've no idea what the prices for P4P were back then, but I would expect they wouldn't seem so cheap if you factored in your salary back then. I will say this, $500 was a big chunk of change for me, back in 1988. $1000 is not a big amount to me in 2018. Maybe some old timers can give us some prices for P4P in Brazil from the 80's relative to their actual cost in USD. I understand the currency of Brazil has changed four or five times since then, so that would only cloud the figures more if we talked about them in terms of Cruzieros / Cruzados.
Mr Enternational
10-01-18, 02:46
So they clean it up--for the English (foreigners) to see--but they do not touch the places that are largely out of sight for the foreigners: the termas, the fast-fuck casas, the massage places, even Vila Mimosa. These places have always catered to locals more than visitors because they can be hard to find, and with the exception of the termas, almost no one in the places speaks anything but Portuguese. But there are literally hundreds of privs in Copacabana and, especially, Centro, where 2, 3 or more girls are open for business.My girlfriend lives in bum fuck Mato Grosso. Her tri-city area has 1200 people. So you got to figure that 300 or so are men. She said there are 35 fuck houses for the area. So I don't even want to think about how many there must be in a city of millions like Rio.
The mongering scene has changed all throughout Brazil, but I'm not convinced it's even mainly due to governments in the cities and states trying to clean up their images...
I agree and also disagree. Depending on how far back you compare just about all capitals have lost many of their major mongering spots. Instead the prefeituras have turned some of these clean-up areas to leisure areas for families etc. Yes, the mongering spots that have suffered most are the most visible spots.
Regarding the amount of prostitution I find a big downturn, specially in the Capitals in Nordeste e.g Fortaleza, Recife, Săo Luís, Macapá etc. On the bright side even the most tiny cities in Brazil have puteiros. I've visted 79 cities in Brazil and I can't recall any city that didn't have any puteiro of some kind.
In the case of Copacabana the mongering is limited to Mabs, Dolce Vita, strip clubs, privées, termas, streetwalkers and girls frequenting the beach and quiosques. Vila Mimosa will be untouched unless they decide to construct the trem-bala train between Rio and Săo Paulo. Regarding the privées in centro. There are a few buildings that have got rid of all their privées, but there are still hundreds of privées left in centro. However the number of privées in centro have decreased the last years. Mainly because Brazil is suffering an economic crise. Less locals have money to spend on bunda so some privées have to close down.
As you wrote internet also have changed the mongering scene. The GPs use social media, escort sites etc to sell their bundas. The disadvantages are less security and in some cases less customers, but the advantages are several. No puteiro boss will take 40% of what the girls earn and they don't have to pay fines if they doesn't show up at work.
The world is currently in recession and there are no longer the vast numbers of men with disposable income traveling to exotic locations to get their freak on. I have observed from since around 2010 a decline in the p4p experience world wide. The quality and quantity of working girls has declined significantly in every major mongering destination.
Some hobbyists are under the mistaken view that in a recession more women would be out of a job and as a result turn to prostitution but that is not necessarily the case, if it were so then the poorest countries would have the highest incidences of p4p but that is not so. It appears that recession has the opposite effect of reducing the prevalence of our hobby.I don't think the world is in recession. I fly a lot and can tell you flights in the USA And Europe are packed with both business people and tourists. Business is good, markets are up. The travel business originating in those regions is booming. I would say the global economic boom is currently choppy across other regions.
And yes, I think the poorest countries generally have the highest incidences of p4p. When communist countries first started opening up in the 90s, they were great mongering destinations until some countries drove it underground. Also, the prices started to climb for the hottest girls in these former communist bloc countries as global mongers increased demand. I would tell you Venezuela should be where the action is heating up, but I think the hottest girls have bailed out for Spain and other countries. That's the flip side of globalization the hot girls can just as easy go to the affluent mongers in Europe and elsewhere.
I think BwanaD presents an interesting picture of today's mongering.
.............And yes, I think the poorest countries generally have the highest incidences of p4p...............The world's poorest countries namely those countries with a GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year are as follows:
28. Sudan -- GDP per capita: $992.
27. Benin -- $966.
26. Chad -- $919.
25. Nepal -- $918.
24. Mali -- $917.
23. Guinea-Bissau -- $910.
22. Ethiopia -- $909.
21. Comoros -- $869.
20. Tajikistan -- $848.
19. Haiti -- $847.
18. Rwanda -- $819.
17. Guinea -- $816.
16. Burkina Faso -- $750.
15. Liberia -- $722.
14. Uganda -- $711.
13. Togo -- $698.
12. Afghanistan -- $601.
11. Niger -- $510.
10. Sierra Leone -- $505.
9. The Gambia -- $500.
8. Madagascar -- $479.
7. Democratic Republic of Congo -- $477.
6. Mozambique -- $472.
5. Yemen -- $449.
4. Central African Republic -- $425.
3. Malawi -- $342.
2. Burundi -- $339.
1. South Sudan -- $246.
The above mentioned countries have the least incidence of prostitution in the world unless mongers have frequented these countries and have had better experiences than richer countries such as in Europe, Brazil, Colombia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Panama, Dubai, etc.
FuckAfMedDig
10-02-18, 00:01
Why do you suppose the scene in Sao Paulo has been relatively left alone?In Sao Paolo there is more money floating around than in Rio so all.
The establishments can pay the subornos to the authorities and they frequent the places as well for free-.
I know this for a fact as I met several detectives who work for SP police stationed in Rio and they all said same thing.
The world's poorest countries namely those countries with a GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year are as follows:
14. Uganda -- $711.
The above mentioned countries have the least incidence of prostitution in the world unless mongers have frequented these countries and have had better experiences than richer countries such as in Europe, Brazil, Colombia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Panama, Dubai, etc.Man,
You should check out those places yourself before you say that. I don't know about others, but prostitution is rampant in Uganda. Almost any major club and bar have women roaming around looking for opportunities to make some money, pros, semi-pros, non-pros alike. You don't need foreign mongers to frequent this country to boost prostitution, most customers are local Africans. Men need to have sex, foreigner or not, so there's always business in the prostitution industry. In the poorest countries, women would even have sex in exchange for food instead of money. In fact, low income does make P4P easier, because the poorer a country is, the more likely you can get semi-pros or even non-pros to have sex: in Kampala, 50 percent of time you can approach a random non pro in the street and offer to have a date with her and buy her some nice things she usually can't afford, like a good meal, which is not expensive for a foreigner, and then get laid.
Bad economy does promote prostitution, because that's the fastest way, if not the only way, a hot girl can earn way more money than if she does other jobs. What brings down prostitution is something non-economical, such as government legislation, social morality, feminist awareness, etc. A good example is Cuba, which legally bans prostitution. Believe me, if prostitution was legal in Cuba, women would be crazy to sell their bodies for money. Another good example is North Korea. North Korean women are generally pretty, well, by Asian standards at least. Most of them don't need the surgery like South Korean women do to have a pretty face, but few of them think about doing prostitution to make money, even though the country's economy is bad as hell, because prostitution is highly stigmatized in the country, paid sex is regarded as a disgusting sin.
ForceSteeler
10-02-18, 02:40
The world's poorest countries namely those countries with a GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year are as follows:
28. Sudan -- GDP per capita: $992.
27. Benin -- $966.
26. Chad -- $919.
25. Nepal -- $918.
24. Mali -- $917.
23. Guinea-Bissau -- $910.
22. Ethiopia -- $909.
21. Comoros -- $869.
20. Tajikistan -- $848.
19. Haiti -- $847.Yes, but I think it's because those places do not have a lot of attractive women. The main reason why men monger is to sleep with attractive women that they usually won't get back home. To bang a attractive Brazilian or Colombian back in America is very hard when you think about how much money your going to have to spend on dates and time your going to waste just to get them into bed.
I hope I'm not offending anyone but places like the Congo, Sierra Leone, Rawanda, just to name a few off your list. Most of the population of girls are not attractive or just borderline ugly. If you want to bang ugly chicks you don't really need to leave the country. You can't really compare to a place like Brazil, Columbia, DR where your going to find very beautiful attractive females. Model material. I'm sure there are model chicks in the Congo but it's very few. Most of them are ugly and most guys would not pay any real money to bang a chick in the Congo. Which is why there is no real mongering scene.
The world's poorest countries namely those countries with a GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year are as follows:
The above mentioned countries have the least incidence of prostitution in the world unless mongers have frequented these countries and have had better experiences than richer countries such as in Europe, Brazil, Colombia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Panama, Dubai, etc.I will still argue my point. For most of us here, we need a certain amount of tourist infrastructure and security. Let's throw out poor, Muslim-dominated countries for practical reasons. I don't think Muslim men are any more virtuous, but I'm guessing they aren't exactly thrilled for Westerners to come and taste the local fruit.
I know some of those countries on the list have a local scene. You can hire a guide and he would take you through the local scene step-by-step. Your money will go very far. In fact, I know some adventurous guys who had a blast in Mozambique (women, beaches, food). Since I appreciate women of all races and ethnicities, I don't have any dietary restrictions.
I second what Gropai says. A little bit of charm can easily get you some non-pros. You can probably get an all-nighter for $30-$50 in those countries.
If you are predisposed to not find African women attractive that's your prerogative. In the cities, you will find attractive, young black women in the right clubs. We are not talking about villagers who have nursed three kids by age twenty.
Eszpresszo
10-02-18, 04:25
I don't think the world is in recession. I fly a lot and can tell you flights in the USA And Europe are packed with both business people and tourists. Business is good, markets are up. The travel business originating in those regions is booming. I would say the global economic boom is currently choppy across other regions.You are correct and anyone who says we are in a worldwide recession isn't in tune with what's going on in the world. Here is what the IMF has to say about GDP growth around the globe.
https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD
Then again, it will mean little to someone who doesn't understand what a recession is in the first place.
You should check out those places yourself before you say that. Men need to have sex, foreigner or not, so there's always business in the prostitution industry. In the poorest countries, women would even have sex in exchange for food instead of money. In fact, low income does make P4P easier, because the poorer a country is, the more likely you can get semi-pros or even non-pros to have sex. Bad economy does promote prostitution, because that's the fastest way, if not the only way, a hot girl can earn way more money than if she does other jobs. What brings down prostitution is something non-economical, such as government legislation, social morality, feminist awareness, etc.You absolutely nailed it with the complete truth. I have personal knowledge of some of these countries (won't say which), and I know first-hand that prostitution is very alive and thriving in them. We have to remember that most prostitution is local and depends primarily on the people living in a place for it to happen there. That's sometimes easy for us to forget since a site like this is heavily frequented by traveling "foreign" mongers. But that's not how most prostitution goes down. And I don't know why some people would think that poverty isn't a main driver of prostitution. It totally is! And like you said, plenty in a poor country will even fuck for food. Let us remember the relatively recent Oxfam scandals in Haiti and Africa: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/02/15/586135767/why-sex-scandals-persist-in-the-humanitarian-aid-world..
I have no problem with mongers visiting the poorest countries to get it on with the abundance of providers they say they see there. That would leave more for me in the richer countries which they say have less prostitutes. No one, however, will deny that that the country with the most prostitutes in the world is the good old USA the world's richest country. The problem however is the damned christian right who are f..king up the scene there. In spite of their actions the hookers are out in great numbers all over the country. However, give me Brazil, Canada, Thailand, Germany, Colombia where its cheaper and the working girls provide better service.
The economy experts in the forum says recession means more prostitution. I doubt that's right in the case of Rio. The privę scene in centro in Rio should give a fairly good view of the current situation in Rio. Many privées have closed down because the lack of clients. The privées live on the locals coming in for a daytime f*ck. As Brazil is in a crisis right now there are less customers who can afford to visit privées. I've spoken with several puteiro gerentes who all told me how business has gone down because of the crisis. Even Vila Mimosa who charges R$60 have much less girls and customers because of the crisis.
F*ck for food? Why don't you go to Mabs with a grilled chicken and see if any GP is eager to make business (considering that many of the Mabs-girls are overweight girls you might be lucky)?
F*ck for food? Why don't you go to Mabs with a grilled chicken and see if any GP is eager to make business (considering that many of the Mabs-girls are overweight girls you might be lucky)?I didn't see Brazil on Turgid's list. Did anybody? But when you stop and think about it, a lot of guys all over the world actually do at least hope girls will fuck for food. Isn't that what you call taking her out for dinner and a movie (which usually includes even more food)? LOLOLOL! Problem is that with "regular" girls it requires many, many dinners and movies and all sorts of other things before she puts out. If even then! So, a guy like me chooses to stick with the tutes in a termas or an FKK. Find them, feel them, finger them, fuck them, forget them. But don't you go feed them! Let them get their own damn food with the money you just paid them! Most top FKKs sell food and some termas too ha!
The economy experts in the forum says recession means more prostitution. I doubt that's right in the case of Rio.Let's not get carried away. We know government and police policies have been a factor in Rio.
I had an older male relative who was part of the occupation force in Japan after WWII. Forgetting the tragedy of the war, his stories of picking up Japanese pros and non-pros sounded incredible. Some guys would have live-in, love-in maids. In a short period, the Japanese economy took off and prostitution subsided greatly.
Now post-WWII Japan is a unique case. I'm sure the ratio of available men to women was extremely problematic for women. I always thought post WWII Germany would have been an amazing time for an American male.
Let's not get carried away. We know government and police policies have been a factor in Rio.
I had an older male relative who was part of the occupation force in Japan after WWII. Forgetting the tragedy of the war, his stories of picking up Japanese pros and non-pros sounded incredible. Some guys would have live-in, love-in maids. In a short period, the Japanese economy took off and prostitution subsided greatly.
Now post-WWII Japan is a unique case. I'm sure the ratio of available men to women was extremely problematic for women. I always thought post WWII Germany would have been an amazing time for an American male.The know-it-all about Rio think they know it all about Rio, and I doubt they really know it all about Rio. Just because they see some shops close down and have a talk with some people, they think they get the big picture and are absolutely correct. And obviously, they think Mabs is the same as the "poorest countries" where women have sex for food.
The subject of Brazilian economics and prostitution are shades of gray. Without trying to be diplomatic, everyone has made good points that don't necessarily conflict. I think Bwana made the point about girls advertising on websites or the UTR girls on social media. Is that optimal for tourists? Obviously, no.
I'm beyond my pick-up days, but I would presume the lousy economy makes more opportunities with non-pros. In the past, I would hit on every store clerk, cashier, waitress and any female that I came across. Most would smile. Some would take the bait. That was what made Brazil a blast. A trip to the mall could very easily wind up with a date that night.
Let's not get carried away. We know government and police policies have been a factor in Rio.
I had an older male relative who was part of the occupation force in Japan after WWII. Forgetting the tragedy of the war, his stories of picking up Japanese pros and non-pros sounded incredible. Some guys would have live-in, love-in maids. In a short period, the Japanese economy took off and prostitution subsided greatly.
Now post-WWII Japan is a unique case. I'm sure the ratio of available men to women was extremely problematic for women. I always thought post WWII Germany would have been an amazing time for an American male.Post war Germany WAS an amazing time for American GI's. This is well documented. For a variety of arguable and interesting reasons, the American GI got nowhere the play that he received with the "frauleins". (meaning they were not nearly as popular with for e. G. French women, Italian women, etc).
But they did very well in Germany. And this was also the case for black American Gi's.
https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=6913
FuckAfMedDig
10-03-18, 00:03
The economy experts in the forum says recession means more prostitution. I doubt that's right in the case of Rio. The priv scene in centro in Rio should give a fairly good view of the current situation in Rio. Many prives have closed down because the lack of clients. The prives live on the locals coming in for a daytime f*ck. As Brazil is in a crisis right now there are less customers who can afford to visit prives. I've spoken with several puteiro gerentes who all told me how business has gone down because of the crisis. Even Vila Mimosa who charges R$60 have much less girls and customers because of the crisis.
F*ck for food? Why don't you go to Mabs with a grilled chicken and see if any GP is eager to make business (considering that many of the Mabs-girls are overweight girls you might be lucky)?Recession in Rio to me means that many gdps escape to UK, Spain and even New Zealand and Dubai etc if they can. If they can't they go online and hustle in many different spots to make ends meet. I've found many who quit will come over and hang and we enjoy our company and they get a little help-like it's amiga colorida and she gets a little 100 reais and a meal. Rio is def suffering and only the best and toughest survive -look at all the promoçőes the termas are running now to drum up business!2 for 1- 40 minutes free raffle-sex bingo-free entry. Anything to snare us in. I find the non pros more eager now that times are hard-less guys to take them out etc. The crisis is real-it's damn hard to find a job in Rio and it shows.
Eszpresszo
10-03-18, 00:26
The economy experts in the forum says recession means more prostitution. I don't know who actually said that recession means more prostitution. However, I can personally attest to the fact that economic meltdown will push women into prostitution, even traveling to foreign countries to have sex with foreign men. That has happened before in recent history but most recently we have seen an influx of girls from Venezuela in the casas of Colombia. I ran across a number of them last month when I was in Bogota. Pretty girls indeed, I even sessioned with one Criolla and came close to sessioning with another (though I felt they were not as service oriented as the native Colombianas based on my limited experience). But, economic calamity is a bit different from a simple recession. I have no experience in Cuba, but it is my understanding that dwindling living standards in the post-Cold War era was what made Cuba into a mongering destination. When women run out of the basics, they have a precious commodity to sell if they are young and attractive.
Sargent 50
10-03-18, 04:56
So is Fortaleza worth a visit?
All capitals in Brazil have been affected by clean-ups, even those capitals that are no major tourist destinations. However, capitals that are tourist destinations have been more affected. You mentioned Fortaleza, it has been very much affected.
The only clean-up exception is propably So Paulo.
Rio is def suffering and only the best and toughest survive -look at all the promoes the termas are running now to drum up business!2 for 1- 40 minutes free raffle-sex bingo-free entry.That's true. The last two years I've seen for the first time some privées lowering their prices because of less business.
That's a nice strategy in contrary to the normal Brazilian strategy: business is bad, let's raise the prices so we earn more money.
Recession in Rio to me means that many gdps escape to UK, Spain and even New Zealand and Dubai etc if they can.......................Spot on. The poorer a country gets the greater the decline of p4p. The working girls go to richer destinations where prostitution proliferates.
VilaMimosa
10-03-18, 16:08
I'm in rio right now.
There is no crisis they're just more greedy than before trying to get more money for less services.
No one of the famous prives is closed (full of clients).
You have to wait in a line with the most popular ones.
Even some of them won't session for one hour only for 20 min (they're too busy).
The problem is with the new generation of GDP.
They session with a cellphone in the hands etc.
Spot on. The poorer a country gets the greater the decline of p4p. The working girls go to richer destinations where prostitution proliferates.I would think that the poorer the country the less likely the working girl would leave just because her limited resources wouldn't allow her to escape. I mean, how many women from say Burundi or Burkina Faso do you find working in rich countries as prostitutes? I think what you say may be true up to some break point where the country is so poor that the working girls couldn't leave even if they wanted to simply due to a lack of means. If you're dirt poor, then you're pretty stuck where you are.
So is Fortaleza worth a visit?Being the Rio thread I make the answer short.Yes it is. Fortaleza is still a great city. Unfortunately the only mongering scenes left are Zipi Bar, Armazem, privées and streetwalkers. See more in the Fortaleza thread.
Has anyone watched a live on stage sex scene. I would love to see live sex especially lesbian sex. In Rio does anyone know of a show like this?
Dasisextra
10-04-18, 15:55
Has anyone watched a live on stage sex scene. I would love to see live sex especially lesbian sex. In Rio does anyone know of a show like this?Go to 4 x 4 I am sure you will find many willing participants for the right price to put on any kind of show you would like. Enjoy.
Has anyone watched a live on stage sex scene. I would love to see live sex especially lesbian sex. In Rio does anyone know of a show like this?LOL you might be about 20 to 30 years too late. Back in the day for me in the 1980's I went to a bar in Copacabana called Club Munchen, yes it had live lesbo show with about 10 girls lined up on stage performing DATY on each other then 1 guy would come out who was anatomically impressive and have sex with a few of the girls. It was all staged and not looking very real. The place also had takeout, so we would go there watch a little show then if we found a girl we liked we would leave with her. I don't think they have anything like this anymore. Club Erotika might have a little show these days but nothing like it was back in the day.
If you want to see live Lesbos then take a girl to a swing club and for sure she will get approached by some other girl for sex, happens all the time.
JuveStadium
10-04-18, 16:19
50% of the prives are closed down and the other ones will be closed pretty soon.
Never liked those kind of establishments {line production factory's) with a shitty small cabins dirty beds and sheets.
Waiting in a line for a GDP who gets 20 clients for 8 hours everyday (imagine you are the last one).
In the future they're going to be only 2 spots open.
The Mabs for tourists.
And Vila Mimosa for locals.
There was a live sex show at Frank's Bar on Avenida Princesa Isabel in 2002. It totally caught me off-guard. We had a front row seat totally by accident. The girl was cute, but not a beauty by the Copacabana standards of the time. If you are interested, he was a shorter, athletic, young guy.
I used to frequent and hook-up with girls from Frank's in the late 90's / early 2000's. It was smaller and less hustle than Barbarella's. They had a few very, pretty girls. One time I saw this beautiful fair, brunette wiggling in her thong on a pedestal. No one was getting up. Not knowing the protocol, I got up and slipped what was about US $5 into her thong. She seemed surprised and then she kissed me on the lips. She gave me her number and I called her the following day to hook-up. She was eager to please me.
Barbarella's was fine. There was more of a "show" show. The girls would negotiate hard. We always had to check our bill. We started ordering beers because I remember them once putting a bottle of whiskey on the table. Of course, you had to argue with your waiter over how much whiskey you drank.
50% of the prives are closed down and the other ones will be closed pretty soon.
Never liked those kind of establishments {line production factory's) with a shitty small cabins dirty beds and sheets.
Waiting in a line for a GDP who gets 20 clients for 8 hours everyday (imagine you are the last one).
In the future they're going to be only 2 spots open.
The Mabs for tourists.
And Vila Mimosa for locals.Great source of bad info, thanks, LOL.
Has anyone watched a live on stage sex scene. I would love to see live sex especially lesbian sex. In Rio does anyone know of a show like this?You guys were born too late. Back in the 70's and 80's live sex and lesbian shows for as little as $1 and no more than $5 were in abundance on 42nd street and also on Broadway and other parts of NYC. Hookers could be found everywhere for a little more than $10 a pop. No need to travel for cheap sex. The wealthy visited Brazil and Thailand for exotic thrills. Ahhh the good old days!
ForceSteeler
10-05-18, 00:04
You guys were born too late. Back in the 70's and 80's live sex and lesbian shows for as little as $1 and no more than $5 were in abundance on 42nd street and also on Broadway and other parts of NYC. Hookers could be found everywhere for a little more than $10 a pop. No need to travel for cheap sex. The wealthy visited Brazil and Thailand for exotic thrills. Ahhh the good old days!Yeah what happen? These days there is nothing for men to enjoy anymore. Especially with the whole conservative moment in the United States and feminism. Now you have to fly out the country and even that is getting worst every year as feminism is spreading to our favorite destinations. Countries are getting pressured to cut down on sex tourism.
You guys were born too late. Back in the 70's and 80's live sex and lesbian shows for as little as $1 and no more than $5 were in abundance on 42nd street and also on Broadway and other parts of NYC. Hookers could be found everywhere for a little more than $10 a pop. No need to travel for cheap sex. The wealthy visited Brazil and Thailand for exotic thrills. Ahhh the good old days!Have you and others watched The Deuce on HBO with James Franco and Maggie Gyllenhaal? It's all about the Hell's Kitchen / Times Square sex industry in that era. Season 1 was actually very good. I have yet to dive into Season 2.
I've heard stories of guys driving around picking up hookers for quick blow jobs just outside the Lincoln Tunnel.
You guys were born too late. Back in the 70's and 80's live sex and lesbian shows for as little as $1 and no more than $5 were in abundance on 42nd street and also on Broadway and other parts of NYC. Hookers could be found everywhere for a little more than $10 a pop. No need to travel for cheap sex. The wealthy visited Brazil and Thailand for exotic thrills. Ahhh the good old days!Yeah, then Rudy Giuliani showed up and fucked it up for everybody. Oh, excuse me! I meant "cleaned" it up LOL!
Have you and others watched The Deuce on HBO with James Franco and Maggie Gyllenhaal? It's all about the Hell's Kitchen / Times Square sex industry in that era. Season 1 was actually very good. I have yet to dive into Season 2.
I've heard stories of guys driving around picking up hookers for quick blow jobs just outside the Lincoln Tunnel.Thats a must watch for me. Will check it out. If there are any flashbacks chances are I'll be in them. I used to prowl 42nd street and Times Square during my spare time back in the day, my best mongering days ever.
On another note it is apparent that Jair Bolsonaro will be the next president of Brazil. I don't know much about him other than he is right wing. I hope he is not Christian right otherwise it's bye bye to our hobby.
I have a fantasy I'd like to live out whilst I'm here in Rio, basically I want to be cuckolded by a hot blonde busty brazilian with a hot bunda and watch her and a well endowed black guy do it whilst I watch, I would like to watch and then maybe session with the girl afterwards, even hotter would be to find a hot kinky dominatrix to dominate me whilst I watch the interracial couple have sex. Any ideas on how to fulfill this hot fetish of mine would be welcome.
I have a fantasy I'd like to live out whilst I'm here in Rio, basically I want to be cuckolded by a hot blonde busty brazilian with a hot bunda and watch her and a well endowed black guy do it whilst I watch, I would like to watch and then maybe session with the girl afterwards, even hotter would be to find a hot kinky dominatrix to dominate me whilst I watch the interracial couple have sex. Any ideas on how to fulfill this hot fetish of mine would be welcome.Be patient, I think the forum have some experts very capable of answering this question (I'm sorry for my grammar, Admin2 put me on a remedial reading class).
HarvestBoi
10-05-18, 22:16
Thats a must watch for me. Will check it out. If there are any flashbacks chances are I'll be in them. I used to prowl 42nd street and Times Square during my spare time back in the day, my best mongering days ever.
On another note it is apparent that Jair Bolsonaro will be the next president of Brazil. I don't know much about him other than he is right wing. I hope he is not Christian right otherwise it's bye bye to our hobby.Turgid,
I remember there was a place on 42nd street downstairs where went into a booth, put in a quarter and a screen would rise and you could grope the girls therein for a minute or so. One time I was there in the winter and had stupidly put my wallet in my coat front pocket. Bye bye wallet, I guess it got groped in return.
Regarding Bolsonaro, I'm a newbie to Brazil, planning my first visit in a few weeks. But my understanding is that sex for money is much more accepted in the culture than in the US. Be pretty hard to eradicate it at this point.
Turgid,
I remember there was a place on 42nd street downstairs where went into a booth, put in a quarter and a screen would rise and you could grope the girls therein for a minute or so. One time I was there in the winter and had stupidly put my wallet in my coat front pocket. Bye bye wallet, I guess it got groped in return..................There were numerous such places all over 42nd street and also on Broadway and Seventh Avenue. The biggest was Show World Inc at the corner of 42nd street and Seventh Av. 3 floors of hookers. You put in a token costing a quarter and the window opens, you give the girl $1 and she puts her ass through the window where you stick your tongue in her snatch and / or culo. You can get her number for p4p when she's off work. There were extremely hot girls there better looking than the hottest FKK wgs today. The only mongering times better than then was IMO Weimar Berlin in the 1920's.
Have you and others watched The Deuce on HBO with James Franco and Maggie Gyllenhaal? It's all about the Hell's Kitchen / Times Square sex industry in that era. Season 1 was actually very good. I have yet to dive into Season 2.
I've heard stories of guys driving around picking up hookers for quick blow jobs just outside the Lincoln Tunnel.I've been watching the 2nd season going on now the Duece, it's pretty good. I grew up in NYC and as a teen during the 70's I would go to 42nd street or 49th st and 8th ave and they were all over the place. Got to know a few of them but they were high turnover, had my first sex there a nice black girl in the hotel room, when I was about to mount her I guess she could see I was having difficulty figuring it out and she said to me: This your first time honey? I was so embarrassed but I said no.
I've been watching the 2nd season going on now the Duece, it's pretty good. I grew up in NYC and as a teen during the 70's I would go to 42nd street or 49th st and 8th ave and they were all over the place. Got to know a few of them but they were high turnover, had my first sex there a nice black girl in the hotel room, when I was about to mount her I guess she could see I was having difficulty figuring it out and she said to me: This your first time honey? I was so embarrassed but I said no.I've just got to respond to this as it mirrors my first time which was in a room on 7th avenue. She also was black and realized it was my first time and upon asking me I said it was and I never forgot her words to me: "I won't tell a soul", LOL.
Eszpresszo
10-06-18, 01:14
I would like to ask the experienced member of this forum to do something that is sorely needed: give a thorough overview of the scene and the option in Brazil as it stand in this year of our Lord, 2018. For much of recent months, the banter has been focused around the Brazil of yesteryear, and much pining for night clubs that have been closed for over a decade. What does that do to help the first-timer in Brazil? Not much. And at first glance, the options in Brazil are more stratified than in other countries, with names like clinicas, termas, boates, and prive, all which mean nothing to the inexperienced visitor. I'm still not clear on them. Germany might have its different varieties of "Der Puff" (FKK, Laufhaus, Bordell), but Germany is also an Anglophone friendly country which pulls in low-level mongers with Euros to burn. Brazil appears to be a bit of a challenge, at least based on recent comments which suggest that the industry is heavily focused towards the native, or at least the speaker of Portuguese.
That said, it would be in the better interest of this forum to get back on topic. Try to shed some fresh info on this legendary city and what it has to offer. After all, this is not a Philippines thread where anything goes these days.
I would like to see a live lesbian show. I haven't read of one in RIO but if there is one please let me know. If not in RIO where else. I enjoy this so much If possible I would fly to another city to watch one.
ForceSteeler
10-06-18, 14:50
Turgid,
Regarding Bolsonaro, I'm a newbie to Brazil, planning my first visit in a few weeks. But my understanding is that sex for money is much more accepted in the culture than in the US. Be pretty hard to eradicate it at this point.As for Bolsonaro, he is a right winger, The Elites in Brazil want him to win. So if he wins the election look for the Brazil Real to get stronger as he will cut a lot of Brazil government programs (Pension and Social Security). Which will satisfy foreign investors and wall street.
Now if the PT party which is Lula (Left Wingers) wins, look for the Brazil real to be weaker (4 to 1, or even 5 to 1). They will push more government spending, (Social Security, Social Programs, Road and Highway Infrastructure Projects) Which Wall Street and a lot of foreign investors do not like.
So if Bolsonaro wins Brazilian mongering will be a little bit more expensive as the Brazil Real rise to the dollar.
I've been watching the 2nd season going on now the Duece, it's pretty good. I grew up in NYC and as a teen during the 70's I would go to 42nd street or 49th st and 8th ave and they were all over the place. Got to know a few of them but they were high turnover, had my first sex there a nice black girl in the hotel room, when I was about to mount her I guess she could see I was having difficulty figuring it out and she said to me: This your first time honey? I was so embarrassed but I said no.There was also a very dark and violent side to what was going on in NYC then. Somebody who I went to school with, a really, really hot white chick, lost her way and ended up on the streets of New York hooking. She was the type that you couldn't believe was engaging in prostitution. And especially on the seedy streets of NYC! She was murdered by the most prolific serial killer ever in the history of New York named Joel Rifkin. Those of you from New York, I'm sure you know the name. So it definitely was not all glamorous and fun, especially for the street tutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11yCFbICucc..
There was also a very dark and violent side to what was going on in NYC then. Somebody who I went to school with, a really, really hot white chick, lost her way and ended up on the streets of New York hooking. She was the type that you couldn't believe was engaging in prostitution. And especially on the seedy streets of NYC! She was murdered by the most prolific serial killer ever in the history of New York named Joel Rifkin. Those of you from New York, I'm sure you know the name. So it definitely was not all glamorous and fun, especially for the street tutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11yCFbICucc..1970's NYC had a dark side period. I saw too many young dudes O.D.ing on the streets. Blokes would openly offer to sell you coke, acid, speed. Many streets were very dangerous; on many occasions I turned and hightailed it upon seeing shady characters approaching me. My brother was hospitalized after a beating by some bouncers in a brothel. I must admit though the service by the dames was excellent which made facing the dangers worth the trouble. No women in the world can give head like a NYC hooker. Also I liked the humor from the ladies which you don't get today.
With respect to Brazil politics a weak Real will certainly be good for our hobby. However, economics is not my strong point but I hope that whoever wins it is accompanied by an improvement in the Brazilian economy for the sake of the well being of our hosts and hostesses.
FuckAfMedDig
10-07-18, 01:26
As for Bolsonaro, he is a right winger, The Elites in Brazil want him to win. So if he wins the election look for the Brazil Real to get stronger as he will cut a lot of Brazil government programs (Pension and Social Security). Which will satisfy foreign investors and wall street.
Now if the PT party which is Lula (Left Wingers) wins, look for the Brazil real to be weaker (4 to 1, or even 5 to 1). They will push more government spending, (Social Security, Social Programs, Road and Highway Infrastructure Projects) Which Wall Street and a lot of foreign investors do not like.
So if Bolsonaro wins Brazilian mongering will be a little bit more expensive as the Brazil Real rise to the dollar.If Bolsonaro wins which he likely will, he in an attempt to pander to his evangelical fan base, will clean up Rio and SP-he's campaigning on anti drug dealers anti putas anti black anti poor anti indigenous anti welfare pro violence and pro military control-see our beloved Brasil change for the worse. Mark my words it will go more underground in Rio and SP you'll see. He could shut the termas, boates, VM etc to please the Bible Belt. Also in general it's going to get more violent against the victims of Brazilian society -the blacks the Indians the gays the poor- and even more civil unrest which will be met with brute force. If he starts implementing what he's threatening it might be the end of my Brazilian love affair. Abs.
Eszpresszo
10-07-18, 01:33
He could shut the termas, boates, VM etc to please the Bible Belt. Where exactly in Brazil is the "Bible Belt".
Exec Talent
10-07-18, 02:02
Las Vegas Bookmakers are giving 10-1 odds it will be after Christmas before we see a current trip report about the subject of this thread- Rio de Janeiro Reports.
As for Bolsonaro, he is a right winger, The Elites in Brazil want him to win. So if he wins the election look for the Brazil Real to get stronger as he will cut a lot of Brazil government programs (Pension and Social Security). Which will satisfy foreign investors and wall street.
Now if the PT party which is Lula (Left Wingers) wins, look for the Brazil real to be weaker (4 to 1, or even 5 to 1). They will push more government spending, (Social Security, Social Programs, Road and Highway Infrastructure Projects) Which Wall Street and a lot of foreign investors do not like.
So if Bolsonaro wins Brazilian mongering will be a little bit more expensive as the Brazil Real rise to the dollar.Not so sure about that, when Lula was in power and into Dilma the Real was pretty strong. Back then commodities were hot and really helped the Brazilian economy. Lula did reap some of the policies implemented by FHC, so it's not as simple as PT wins, Real weakens. It's tough to predict what's going to happen as there are many variables to the equation.
I would like to ask the experienced member of this forum to do something that is sorely needed: give a thorough overview of the scene and the option in Brazil as it stand in this year of our Lord, 2018.Why don't you ask a question? Is anyone prohibiting you from Expressing yourself Eszpresszo?
The Termas scene doesn't change that much day by day. We could use some up to date, on the ground intel on prives. Has anyone been to Vila Mimosa lately?
Eszpresszo
10-07-18, 04:26
Why don't you ask a question? Is anyone prohibiting you from Expressing yourself Eszpresszo?
The Termas scene doesn't change that much day by day. We could use some up to date, on the ground intel on prives. Has anyone been to Vila Mimosa lately?But, I just did ask the big question. Can you guys tell someone who has never been south of the equator how and where to get started in Rio? Because I always do field reports on the destinations I visit, and I always try to provide info that is useful for the complete novice.
If Bolsonaro wins which he likely will, he in an attempt to pander to his evangelical fan base, will clean up Rio and SP-he's campaigning on anti drug dealers anti putas anti black anti poor anti indigenous anti welfare pro violence and pro military control-see our beloved Brasil change for the worse. Mark my words it will go more underground in Rio and SP you'll see. He could shut the termas, boates, VM etc to please the Bible Belt. Also in general it's going to get more violent against the victims of Brazilian society -the blacks the Indians the gays the poor- and even more civil unrest which will be met with brute force. If he starts implementing what he's threatening it might be the end of my Brazilian love affair. Abs.LMFAO! You sound a lot like a doomsayer.
It's hilarious to read what you got to say considering that Ronaldinho, Lucas Moura and Felipe Melo are likely to vote for Jair Bolsonaro.
He can not win without the support of people of color.
Anyways, a crack down on prostitution shouldn't effect you too much since you have said that you are mostly doing non-pros.
When it comes to the crack down on prostitution in Brasil, it started way before Bolsonaro.
I have a fantasy I'd like to live out whilst I'm here in Rio, basically I want to be cuckolded by a hot blonde busty brazilian with a hot bunda and watch her and a well endowed black guy do it whilst I watch, I would like to watch and then maybe session with the girl afterwards, even hotter would be to find a hot kinky dominatrix to dominate me whilst I watch the interracial couple have sex. Any ideas on how to fulfill this hot fetish of mine would be welcome.You could try the escort route for the cuckold fantasy. As to a Dominatrix, there where few back in the day, even fewer now, based on a quick google search. You might have better luck in Sao Paulo. They had BDSM clubs in SP, I'm not sure of how that scene is now.
https://massagerepublic.com/bdsm-female-escorts-in-sao-paulo
If Bolsonaro wins which he likely will, he in an attempt to pander to his evangelical fan base.......................Brazil is a primarily Roman Catholic country. Does he really have such a fan base? Is the best mongering in the world about to be f..ked up?
ForceSteeler
10-07-18, 16:52
Brazil is a primarily Roman Catholic country. Does he really have such a fan base? Is the best mongering in the world about to be f..ked up?No. Religious people in Brazil are way different than religious people in say a country like the United States. Brazilians have a liberal attitude towards sex. Sex is not seen as some kind of Sin. Which is why Brazilian women are so open and freaky when it comes to sex. I highly doubt they will closed termas like 4 x 4, Monte Carlo or termas centaurus. Most of there clients are upper class Brazilians and Business Elites and they support Bolsonario. So I don't think they would like that he shut down there after work social hangout spots. Feminism has not taken over Brazil just yet. It's still a macho society.
Have you and others watched The Deuce on HBO with James Franco and Maggie Gyllenhaal? It's all about the Hell's Kitchen / Times Square sex industry in that era. Season 1 was actually very good. I have yet to dive into Season 2.
I've heard stories of guys driving around picking up hookers for quick blow jobs just outside the Lincoln Tunnel.I am really enjoying watching "The Deuce" on HBO, when I 1st heard they were going to film about the sex era I didn't believe they would catch it like it really was. BUT to my surprise they were spot on. I was station at Lakehurst, New Jersey in the United States Navy for school for 5-6 months I would jump on a Greyhound with 3-4 other Sailors and get off at the Bus Station in NYC with a pocket full of money after checking into our Hotel rooms and changing clothes taking showers we would hit (peep shows, Massage Parlors,) etc hell we heard about crime BUT with the 5 of us standing between 6'3-6'6 young and fit guys from LA, Chi-town, etc. And we were season salty sailors that been overseas a few times going into some hell holes so walking the streets of NYC was a cake walk. At night we would hit some Mom and Pop Pizza spots and hit Studio 54 & clubs at night. I LOVED those times.
Kid Cisco.
Member #4587
10-08-18, 01:19
As I ignore SP forum, looked at the RJ forum and noticed that Mickeystanis took over RJ forum and turned it into NY forum. I mean, seriously!? Who cares as RJ visitor under which NY bridge or corner some US monger fucked in 70's or 80's and which TV series showing the same places? For this is http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1078%22. #EleSim
HarvestBoi
10-08-18, 02:26
As I ignore SP forum, looked at the RJ forum and noticed that Mickeystanis took over RJ forum and turned it into NY forum. I mean, seriously!? Who cares as RJ visitor under which NY bridge or corner some US monger fucked in 70's or 80's and which TV series showing the same places? For this is http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1078%22. #EleSimLOL ok true that. And I did my part sending the thread that way.
The problem is you'the normally tell us to take it to the NY forum only. There is none.
Which is a bit chilling given today's election results.
Member #4587
10-08-18, 02:49
LOL ok true that. And I did my part sending the thread that way.
The problem is you'the normally tell us to take it to the NY forum only. There is none.
Which is a bit chilling given today's election results.I know there is not NY forum, that is why I added the link which is directly affiliated (American women) with the experiences there.
LMFAO! You sound a lot like a doomsayer.
It's hilarious to read what you got to say considering that Ronaldinho, Lucas Moura and Felipe Melo are likely to vote for Jair Bolsonaro.
He can not win without the support of people of color.
Anyways, a crack down on prostitution shouldn't effect you too much since you have said that you are mostly doing non-pros.
When it comes to the crack down on prostitution in Brasil, it started way before Bolsonaro.I've been living in Sampa for going on 4 yrs. I go to my GDP friends Instagram / Twitter & FaceBook pages / Whatsapp profile photos they're all posting pro-Bolsonaro posters / slogans! Something tells me there will be no crackdown on putas anytime soon.
Sargent 50
10-08-18, 04:45
Being the Rio thread I make the answer short.Yes it is. Fortaleza is still a great city. Unfortunately the only mongering scenes left are Zipi Bar, Armazem, prives and streetwalkers. See more in the Fortaleza thread.I asked because the intel is outdated March of this year to be exact, thanks tho.
It's absolutely logical they voted for.
Him-they are rich-upper class now and don't identify as ghetto anymore-they feel they have sth to lose-riches to protect and Bolsonaros all out capitalistic approach serves the rich and kills the poor. The elite might not like if he cleans up Rio or SP but if his evangelical base and ultra religious base demand it he may have to. Brazil will change dramatically next year-this guy favours torture, more killings etc let the fun begin. I'll be in Cali buried in brown racks if it goes the way I fear it will.People of color are brainwashed in Brazil as well and desperate for change but falling for this fake ass John Wayne routine is sad-this Guy is a con artist like Trump which is why he employs devil Steve Bannon to help...Im back in 9 days-better Check VM while its still here folksMy strategy would be to wait until after the elections and see how things pan out. As the saying goes the only thing that is constant is change. We must accept whatever change occurs and act accordingly.
Help club is now open in centro. It's in Rio Branco. There are 50 girls. Open from 10 pm. The owner is American.
Entry is 20 reais.
Good time is back.Please provide details.
My strategy would be to wait until after the elections and see how things pan out. As the saying goes the only thing that is constant is change. We must accept whatever change occurs and act accordingly.You're probably right about what to do. You'll recall all of the incessant speculation that went on in the FKK threads about the impact of the impending legal changes that took effect on July 1, 2017. Geez right now we don't have any solid indications of legal changes impacting prostitution in Brazil, and already mongers are beginning to speculate and worry. Please, let's not go there! Let's wait and see. In the meantime, I am hoping to get back to Brazil again in the next several months. But, that was already planned versus any kind of reaction to Bolsonaro being elected.
Went to Rio last month. Decided I would try the termas, Mabs in incall service.
Was able to hit up Monte Carlo and 4 X 4. Was too tired and preoccupied to make it to Centaurus on my last night or any of the others. To be honest, I didn't particularly care for 4 X 4 or Monte Carlo, as I'm spoiled by FKK experience. I feel like the bar area way too small in both places, as I prefer wide open spaces like Cocal, FKK, Globe Zurich or just open air "hunting. " That being said, I would still head back to 4 x 4 next time I'm in town. I prefer those rooms and the general layout. Also felt the girls were a bit better looking in 4 x 4.
Process was simple enough in each place. I think I would up spending around 700 are at 4 x 4 and maybe a little less than 500 at Monte Carlo. I did a "Sultan" at 4 X4, which was worth it with the girl I picked but cheaped out due to tiredness at MC and only did a 40 min session in a small room.
I'm not very money conscious once I arrive but also not stupid. Though neither was breaking the bank, I totally prefer just using Hotside or similar sites for incall service. Did not have any bad experiences there and girls charged anywhere from 300-500/ hour, depending on preference. I figure for that damage, I can save the effort of going to termas as sitting in a tight dance floor area with 30 other guys is not really my thing.
In the future I'll probably just book an Apartment in Copa and use incall service, being sure to go for the girls that show their face. No bait and switch in my experience.
VM is not appealing to me at all. It's not what I seek out when I travel, so didn't bother going.
SlapShot10
10-09-18, 04:05
If anyone has any apartment rental connections, (4 bedrooms / 4 guys) in Leblon, Ipanema, or Copacabana. Please PM me. Rates are 2.5 x on AirBnB, and many of them have incorrect pricing.
Any advice or information would be appreciated.
Also, does anyone have recommendations for non-pro restaurant / bars that might be good for a group a gringos? I remember a place in Leblon, in 2012. We went every night, and pulled every night. However, I can't seem to find it. I'm guessing it's long gone. It was a two-story bar, with music upstairs, just a couple blocks up from the beach.
It's hard to say what a Bolsonaro victory will mean to the game. The "game" in Brazil is older than the modern political parties in the country. One thing I would have said for sure is a Bolsonaro victory would strengthen the Real. You are already seeing that.
What's happening in Brazil with Bolsonaro's likely victory is a repeat of global trends the last few years. Voters' preferences are breaking down into clear, polarized divisions. I'm not sure that voters clearly understanding the political differences is so terrible. Liberal journalists don't like strong right-leaning parties. They prefer and encourage centrist parties with a leftward drift.
If you like two parties playing in the center, you can look at Germany where you have two major parties virtually indistinguishable from each other. Extreme parties are gaining seats in the Bundestag while the two major parties play footsie with each other.
ForceSteeler
10-09-18, 06:16
It's hard to say what a Bolsonaro victory will mean to the game. The "game" in Brazil is older than the modern political parties in the country. One thing I would have said for sure is a Bolsonaro victory would strengthen the Real. You are already seeing that.
What's happening in Brazil with Bolsonaro's likely victory is a repeat of global trends the last few years. Voters' preferences are breaking down into clear, polarized divisions. I'm not sure that voters clearly understanding the political differences is so terrible. Liberal journalists don't like strong right-leaning parties. They prefer and encourage centrist parties with a leftward drift.
If you like two parties playing in the center, you can look at Germany where you have two major parties virtually indistinguishable from each other. Extreme parties are gaining seats in the Bundestag while the two major parties play footsie with each other.Bolsonaro will become another Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines. They think there tough talk and allowing police just to murder drug dealers without protocol will just make crime go away. Philippines is in worse shape then ever before, With More Drugs, More Crime, and Soaring Inflation with Higher Food Prices and a there currency devalued. Bolsonaro Victory will definitely help the Brazil Real as his economic advisor is looking to privatize everything from Healthcare to the Brazilian Rainforest. So after the honeymoon is over. Look for everything in Brazil to be super expensive. Which will create a war zone.
... better Check VM while its still here folksJust got back from VM.
Pretty slow on a Monday night, but damn there were a few stunning hot and sexy mulatas, at 18 and 19 years old!
Ended up being a great night of fun!
Getting some good contact info around Rio and SP, just in case the PFP Doomsday guys are right, LOL.
Bolsonaro is a mixture of Trump and Duterte. With Lula in prison it was easy for him to win the election. People believe in him. He will get the economic going well, fight corruption and win the war against criminals. Easier said than done.
It will be interesting to see how the effects will be on the mongering scene. More expensive of course as the real is strengthening. If the brazilian economy gets stronger that might lead to more privées as the locals will have more money to spend on bunda. I just hope the evangélicos don't put pressure on Bolsonaro to close down privées. If Bolsonary manages to fight crimes and violence the cariocas might feel safer and start to go clubbing again like they used to. That would mean more girls on the clubs. Nobody knows how the monger-future looks in Brazil.
I would never consider to change playground because of Bolsonaro. Brazil will always have a nice mixture of pro's and regular girls.
I would never consider to change playground because of Bolsonaro. Brazil will always have a nice mixture of pro's and regular girls.That's exactly what my Brazillian buddies tell me!
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ForceSteeler
10-10-18, 05:09
Bolsonaro: Wealth, law and order, and a possible future like America and other first world counties.
Or.
Socialists: more debt, chase all capital out of the country, more lawlessness, and eventually a shit show on brazilians.
Now I love cheap pussy, but I am more concerned more for the well being of all my friends (none are rich, not even close) in Brazil, and their future prosperity, BTW they live in So Paulo and Parana and all voting for Bolsonaro, they all think this Lula is a BOZO.
Sometimes I wonder about some of the guys on this board, they would rather people live in misery, so they get cheap pussy.
LOL all their decisions and thought are based on price of pussy.
Kinda evil in some ways.Right Wing Policies won't help Brazil. The Current President Michel Temer in the last 2 years had Pro Business Market Friendly Policys and Tax Cuts and it has done nothing to improve the current situation. So I don't know how Bolsonaro is going to change anything.
Less Tax Revenue To the Treasury means huge government debt. At least america can turn on there printing press because the Dollar is the Reserve Currency But even that bubble is about to explode as by 2022 We will be paying more interest to the federal reserve then the Miltary Budget and Social Security Budget Combined. Where looking at 2008 all over again.
... they have a home in Canada and Curitiba, he went last year for 2 months and couldn't believe how dangerous it's become...A very good political analysis. Regarding the violence. It really has gotten very bad in all of Brazil. A shame about Curitiba. It used to be one of the safest and neatest capitals in Brazil.
Rio always had problems with crimes and violence but the situation has become out of control in many parts. It's really messy. Bandit gangs like CV, TCP, PCC, ADA and militia, police and army, everybody is fighting. The police suffers from corruption, unpaid salaries and a high rate of police being killed on duty. It doesn't matter if you live in a favela or an upperclass area, everybody is affected by the violence. It's not a surprise Bolsonaro wins votes when he promise to fight corruption and crimes.
Sometimes I wonder about some of the guys on this board, they would rather people live in misery, so they get cheap pussy.
LOL all their decisions and thought are based on price of pussy.
Kinda evil in some ways.I've made that observation as well. I find it very ugly hoping that Brazil is going down the drain just so they will have more desperate women eager to spread their legs when they flash a few USD.
Now I agree bolsonaro has a lot of rhetoric I don't like, but like the left looney tunes in America, that said America was going to crash and burn under trump, I think Brazil needs some of this so called crash and burn, DOW at all time highs and 3. 9 % unemployment, America has never been richer.People always, always, always seem to forget that what goes up always, always, always must come down. It's just another temporary house of cards built on fiscal irresponsibility. Like lowering taxes while continuing to borrow against an uncertain future and spend like mad! Who will really have the guts to do what it takes to act responsibly and control spending, lower the national debt, and balance the budget? The answer is nobody until it's too late. Yeah, I'm loving my investment portfolio right now too. Riding high! But I'll tell you what. I don't care who is in office, one day it will swing in the other direction, and it's going to be ugly, just like the last time! Hopefully I will remain in a good position to protect my assets when that happens. Because it most assuredly will. Never succumb to "irrational exuberance". Prepared to go bear at a moments notice.
Bolsonaro: Wealth, law and order, and a possible future like America and other first world counties. Now I love cheap pussy, but I am more concerned more for the well being of all my friends (none are rich, not even close) in Brazil, and their future prosperity, BTW they live in So Paulo and Parana and all voting for Bolsonaro, they all think this Lula is a BOZO. Sometimes I wonder about some of the guys on this board, they would rather people live in misery, so they get cheap pussy. LOL all their decisions and thought are based on price of pussy. Kinda evil in some ways.OK, so what about the flipside? It's OK to overlook the mean-spirited rhetoric of somebody who would lead a nation if that will make people, essentially people just like him, rich? To me, that's just another brand of evil. We need to be concerned about what kind of society we live in too. I would posit that the choices are not all mutually exclusive. As that one former American president once said, how about a "kinder, gentler" brand of conservatism where a larger swath of people are sincerely welcomed to stand under a big tent of prosperity?
One thing that will change everything for the worse in Brazil in the near future is the external and internal debt of Brazil, under Lula it exploded to the upside and he had a commodity boom to mask over a lot of his irresponsible behaviour, well that boom is now over and the cracks have appeared and Brazil is in tough shape (worst in 50 years).Brazil's external debt / GDP ratio was record high at 44,8 %, when Lula took office in 2003 and was at 16,42 % when he left in 2011. This is typical right wing propaganda, which some people swallow without chewing and is not supported by statistics. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/brazil/external-debt--of-nominal-gdp.
Surprisingly left wing politicians have been better to control budget deficits in many countries (some others not so much). Clinton after Reagan, Obama after Bush and now Trump has exploded the US debt, but hey, that's OK as long as the money goes to the rich people's pockets. Now Bolsonaro will start his boi, bala e biblia politics and destroying democracy, when he should pull the poor out of poverty.
FuckAfMedDig
10-10-18, 09:39
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Are we seriously debating Brazilian left wing and right wing politics here? Sorry Trump comparisons don't really work either. I'm pretty sure we can all find fault in the policies of all the candidates and the leaders of the past.
If Brazil wanted to follow the Asian model, it would have to attract and retain capital, tamp down wage growth and run trade surpluses for several years. I'm not sure how skilled and motivated the Brazilian work force is compared to Asian countries at similar stages of development. Brazil is not rich enough to pursue stimulating consumption. I've also heard that tax collection and tax law enforcement needs improvement.
Delta Indigo
10-10-18, 19:47
I first found out about Bolsonaro from this forum and then researched him further, the foreign press starting paying attention as well.
This guy sounds even worse than Mr. T. Mr. T. has more limits than he has and I can not for the life of me believe that anyone could think that anything good could come out of him being elected.
Insane to say, but Trump is mild compared to him and now that Trump has been elected, the worst fears of a lot of his detractors have been realized and more.
The warning signs were there about his autocratic nature which tolerates no criticism and his extremely self centered agenda, now that he has been there a while, people's worst fears are being realized. About the economy, it was on the mend way before he got elected and the unemployment figures which he disputed but no longer, were way down long before he took office. Injecting an economy full of cash while it is at a peak in the cycle is quite dangerous and besides the deficit exploding, there might be hell to pay further down the road. About debt, I can't believe any right winger is still blaming the left for this when numerous right wing governments have exploded government debt.
This guy sounds totally insane and only the most dogmatic right winger in denial of reality could endorse someone so insane and think any good could come out of it. Will your mongering options be affected, not sure, but will Brazil go to hell for a while, most certainly.
I won't defend many supposed left leaning governments as well, one of the ones I hate the most is Maduro's Venezuela. Are people in denial about this potential, probable, President of Brazil. Don't say you weren't warned.
Earlier this year when I was in Sao Paulo I sessioned a branca in Abbobora. She told me she was a journalist and wrote for a magazine but was not working at the time. She lamented the state of the economy in Brazil and was very much anti-Lula as she blamed the left for Brazil's economic woes. She seemed to have had a privileged background and spoke good English. I suspect that whites and other well off persons will support Bolsonaro. Seeing that whites are in the majority in Brazil it would appear that he's Brazil's next president. When he gets into power he'll certainly put in place policies that would favor the privileged class and harm the poor which would probably exacerbate Brazil's crime problem.
Member #4587
10-11-18, 04:34
Either delete this continuing political chit chat or remove it to Living in Brazil or to General Info. I will not post my opinions about those posters who do not realize to where write the political opinions, but you can guess the words and sentences.
Either delete this continuing political chit chat or remove it to Living in Brazil or to General Info. I will not post my opinions about those posters who do not realize to where write the political opinions, but you can guess the words and sentences.I hear you work at one of the Sao Paulo consulates in the diplomatic corps.
Bdonkadonk
10-12-18, 03:33
As a change to the ongoing discussions about politics, I will provide some up to date information from termas Cancun. Over the last weeks I have making repeat visits to Cancun and when I first got here I noticed that the prices went up from last year. One year ago I paid 400 Reais for one hour and I believe it was 330 for the one hour with the girl plus 70 Reais for entrance including three drinks.
When I got here a couple of weeks ago I noticed that the entrance was up from 70 to 80 Reais making one hour come to 410 Reais. But the last time I was charged 380 which was 300 for the girl and 80 Reais for entrance. I thought that I was charged wrong and that they made a mistake and charged me for only 40 minutes which could have explained the 30 Reais missing. But today I was charged 380 Reais again so it wasn't a mistake and I could see in my bill that it was 300 for the girl and 80 for entrance with drinks.
It just feels so surprising that a terma actually will lower the prices and I never experienced it before. Maybe they have realized that they will need to do something like this to attract more customers. And they also have their lottery going on everyday with the draw at eight o'clock. I have participated in the lottery six times by now but I haven't won a 40 minute session, of course.
MongerForSex
10-12-18, 18:35
As a change to the ongoing discussions about politics, I will provide some up to date information from termas Cancun. Over the last weeks I have making repeat visits to Cancun and when I first got here I noticed that the prices went up from last year. One year ago I paid 400 Reais for one hour and I believe it was 330 for the one hour with the girl plus 70 Reais for entrance including three drinks.
When I got here a couple of weeks ago I noticed that the entrance was up from 70 to 80 Reais making one hour come to 410 Reais. But the last time I was charged 380 which was 300 for the girl and 80 Reais for entrance. I thought that I was charged wrong and that they made a mistake and charged me for only 40 minutes which could have explained the 30 Reais missing. But today I was charged 380 Reais again so it wasn't a mistake and I could see in my bill that it was 300 for the girl and 80 for entrance with drinks.
It just feels so surprising that a terma actually will lower the prices and I never experienced it before. Maybe they have realized that they will need to do something like this to attract more customers. And they also have their lottery going on everyday with the draw at eight o'clock. I have participated in the lottery six times by now but I haven't won a 40 minute session, of course.Cancun is fucked unfortunately, they lost many clients. They are lowering the prices because of a so called new terma that's fucking up their business. That terma is their neighbor. Now they are trying to lower the price again maybe they will lower again soon because the so called new terma lowered their price to 200 reais for one hour in a suite plus 10 per cent discount for all you drink and fuck. It means you fuck one hour for 180 reais. The owner of the so called terma is also the owner of Mosaic.
They are lowering the prices because of a so called new terma that's fucking up their business.Maybe you forgot to mention the name of the new terma, just like the address of the New Help?
Bdonkadonk
10-12-18, 23:25
Cancun is fucked unfortunately, they lost many clients. They are lowering the prices because of a so called new terma that's fucking up their business. That terma is their neighbor. Now they are trying to lower the price again maybe they will lower again soon because the so called new terma lowered their price to 200 reais for one hour in a suite plus 10 per cent discount for all you drink and fuck. It means you fuck one hour for 180 reais. The owner of the so called terma is also the owner of Mosaic.
Maybe you forgot to mention the name of the new terma, just like the address of the New Help?I have no idea which terma the OP is thinking of but I was in a terma close to Cancun the other day and it fits in in the price structure that he is mentioning. One hour for 200 Reais but I didn't see anything mentioned about a discount of 10%. Entrance was 30 Reais which could be used for consumption in the bar. The terma was quite big, or at least it was in many floors and I believe four floors or so in total. Whiskeria plus other areas and a wet sauna and showers. I like saunas but their sauna was bad because it didn't produce enough heat (steam) to warm up the sauna room. I believe I saw around 20 girls or so working and a couple of them were doable and I am thinking of coming back there next wek and try one of the girls. Monday is holiday (DIA do comercio) but they will be open on Monday despite it being a holiday. The terma is called Spa 65 and was in Rua do Rosario number 65, which literally is just around the corner from Cancun. I don't know if is recently opened and the one that the OP is thinking about but maybe he can let us know and reply to this to tell us.
MongerForSex
10-13-18, 22:17
I was talking about terma 2? That's situated on the small street of Buenos Aires. It's not as big as 65 but as cheap as trash clubs and with rooms and a club as good as termas. Price from 70 reais 20 minutes discount included: 63 reais.
Yes 65 also offers 10 per cent discount on what you drink and fuck. The sauna is now under construction, there will be enough steam soon.
There is no more entry fee in 4 by 4 for Brazilians. Only 60 reais consuption. But this discount is only available for Brazilians.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen doable girls in Cancun. If you are into billy fat and duck lower bodies. No smoking area in Cancun unlike 4 by4, 65,502 and 2?, People smoke in the toilets. There is no door in the showers unlike 4 by 4 and 65. If you don't mind taking a shower without a door. Good for you. Dupla is a joke in Cancun, you have to pay 500 reais twice (suite). No dupla available in Cancun unlike 4 by4 and 65 unless you don't mind paying for the suite twice.
Yes there is a new help club in Centro, some home work won't kill you. The owner of 4 by 4 wants to buy aeroporto after selling 502 to the second owner of Mosaic. 502 is no more like few months ago. It's way better than last year. The best termas in centro are 4 by 4 and 65 (better facility). Cancun is a total joke, they will soon lower the prices again, they lost many clients. I feel sorry for them.
Frenchieboy
10-14-18, 20:08
Was in Mabs last Friday, we have met 3 girls from Belo Horizonte Brenda (many tattoos), Giovanna, and Anna they will be in Rio till Friday, very nice and cute I recommand them only problem 400 reals !!! As we had not time to discuss prices we said ok.
Was also friday night in Dolce vita around 11 pm empty !!!!
Bdonkadonk
10-14-18, 22:54
Was in Mabs last Friday, we have met 3 girls from Belo Horizonte Brenda (many tattoos), Giovanna, and Anna they will be in Rio till Friday, very nice and cute I recommand them only problem 400 reals !!! As we had not time to discuss prices we said ok.
Was also friday night in Dolce vita around 11 pm empty !!!!400 Reais is much for girls in Mab's as the going price is 200 Reais for girls there. A little negotiating will make them come down in price and it won't take much time to negotiate a better price. Some girls start with asking like 300 Reais or so but will come down to 200 Reais quite easily. Too bad that you were in such a hurry that you didn't have the time to do the negotiating. Saying this, I know that some girls are thinking they are worth more, like 300 - 400 Reais and won't come down much in the price but those girls are very few in general. Anyway, if you had a good time with the girls I guess it was worth it for you but for next time I would recommend to put in some time in negotiating the price.
I was talking about terma 2? That's situated on the small street of Buenos Aires. It's not as big as 65 but as cheap as trash clubs and with rooms and a club as good as termas. Price from 70 reais 20 minutes discount included: 63 reais.Thanks for the info about Terma 2?. I googled but didn't find any info about it and I didn't see it mentioned in GPGuia or ForumX either. Maybe the info is there but I didn't see it. I am wondering of the address but I suppose that the name is hinting that it is in Rua Buenos Aires 2. I have never been there so I will go there to check out the place!
I am considering my first trip to Brazil but I don't know what make of it when I read the last couple of reports and posts. Is there less girls now because of politics? I am RTFF the forum but I would happy if anyone can compare Brazil to Colombia preferably someone that's been to Medellin. I like Medellin's vast selection but debating whether I should go to Rio next time. Is the selection bigger in Rio? Are there enough clubs and what is going price for high quality take away from the clubs, 200 ? I'm not thinking about casas.
Mr Enternational
10-15-18, 20:59
400 Reais is much for girls in Mab's as the going price is 200 Reais for girls there. A little negotiating will make them come down in price and it won't take much time to negotiate a better price. Some girls start with asking like 300 Reais or so but will come down to 200 Reais quite easily. Too bad that you were in such a hurry that you didn't have the time to do the negotiating. Saying this, I know that some girls are thinking they are worth more, like 300 - 400 Reais and won't come down much in the price but those girls are very few in general.A common theme over several ISG threads is guys not liking or not willing to negotiate. They believe that if they try to get the girl for a cheaper price, she will not fuck them as well as they would for the original price and they also claim that it ruins the mood. I have found none of that to be true.
I am considering my first trip to Brazil but I don't know what make of it when I read the last couple of reports and posts. Is there less girls now because of politics? I am RTFF the forum but I would happy if anyone can compare Brazil to Colombia preferably someone that's been to Medellin. I like Medellin's vast selection but debating whether I should go to Rio next time. Is the selection bigger in Rio? Are there enough clubs and what is going price for high quality take away from the clubs, 200 ? I'm not thinking about casas.Given there has not been a lot of travel reports for some time and local politics has been discussed in the forum, I suppose you can be forgiven for a newby question like the above. No, politics hasn't changed the local mongering scene. The election is not final until Oct. 28 and no one knows if anything will change.
The Rio club scene has basically been destroyed by the city over the last eight years. There are some freelancers at Mabs and sprinkled elsewhere. That doesn't mean you can't have a blast in Rio both mongering and touring.
Termas are the closest thing to clubs. They however are not exactly like clubs. You change into a flimsy, terrycloth robe in the locker room. When you hit the bar area, dozens and dozens of girls parade around in various states of undress. Unfortunately in my opinion, tattoos and excessive fake breasts and asses are more common than years past. You can buy drinks for the girls if that's your thing. You can chat with the girls and many times play kissy face and grab-ass. When you are ready for the rodeo, tell the girl "vamos". You will go to a clean room (cabine) on the premises. Most sessions are 40 minutes, but you can have 60 minutes for more. You will be granted a BBBJ. If it's with a condom, be firm and the girl will relent. Many girls do anal for the included price. If you want anal, specify in the bar area that you want "anal". Anal seems to be an international word with sex workers.
I would suggest checking out 4 x4 (Centro) and Solarium (Jardim Botanico) first. I like the party scene at 4 x4. You can expect to pay around US $ 120-$125 for the girl and entrance. If you arrive early and session with a girl at 4 x4 before 6, you will save the entrance fee of about US $ 20. Since you will likely want to stay near the beach Copacabana or Ipanema, you might want to check out Centaurus and Monte Carlo in the same area which cost more money. Centaurus has some fans. It at one time was known for the hottest girls who appealed to Americans and Euros. It's hit or miss now.
Now if you don't like the business model of termas, you can try to get phone numbers and get a girl to come over. Don't expect more than a two hour meeting. In the last ten-fifteen years, Rio has become a transactional by the hour scene. You can also find some excellent escorts, but I would try to work through the language and read the local reviews at gpguia. I wouldn't rule out casas (in Rio they are called prives), but they require some planning and walking.
You can do searches by entering Medellin and Rio. That's where you will get a good detailed contrast. I haven't been to Colombia in years. I can only say that I enjoy the beach and food scene in Rio de Janeiro. Rio is far more cosmopolitan. If it's your first time, I highly recommend an excursion to the Christ statue on Corcovado mountain. Sugarloaf mountain is fine too. Most Americans and Euros prefer Rio November through April. I would avoid the June and July simply because the days are too short.
JuveStadium
10-16-18, 17:15
I am considering my first trip to Brazil but I don't know what make of it when I read the last couple of reports and posts. Is there less girls now because of politics? I am RTFF the forum but I would happy if anyone can compare Brazil to Colombia preferably someone that's been to Medellin. I like Medellin's vast selection but debating whether I should go to Rio next time. Is the selection bigger in Rio? Are there enough clubs and what is going price for high quality take away from the clubs, 200 ? I'm not thinking about casas.The biggest problem with a Rio hookers is that they have a different service for locals and other one for gringos.
With locals they do everything they ask for and with gringos they like to cheat on time and services.
So now I do the same thing like the locals do, if some hooker treats me like a gringo I put a negative report abut her on the local forums.
Thanks guys, sounds like Rio has been exhausted to a point where every girl turned hardcore pro, I'm sure every popular city is heading that way. Making it harder to find that GFF experience, maybe I should look at Sao Paulo? Thanks Wyatt your detailed post helped me paint a picture of the current status.
Honestly I prefer no rush sessions at my place and termas don't sound like a place for GFF experience and I definitely don't like fake ass, its weird they charge 120 or 100 USD for an onsite session? What sorts of girls are we talking about young or older pro girls in the termas. I have feeling that Rio with its 6 million population, must still have a bunch of hot young natural girls in the Termas that you can connect with invite to your place for good price or no?
Side note:
In other monger countries its still possible to just talk to a random hot girl in the streets (I'm 32 and still in shape) and the chances are high that she is willing to go with you for business, don't know if that case in Brazil.
The Rio club scene has basically been destroyed by the city over the last eight years......I would suggest checking out 4 x4 (Centro) and Solarium (Jardim Botanico) first. I like the party scene at 4 x4. You can expect to pay around US $ 120-$125 for the girl and entrance. If you arrive early and session with a girl at 4 x4 before 6, you will save the entrance fee of about US $ 20. Since you will likely want to stay near the beach Copacabana or Ipanema, you might want to check out Centaurus and Monte Carlo in the same area which cost more money. Centaurus has some fans. It at one time was known for the hottest girls who appealed to Americans and Euros. It's hit or miss now.
The biggest problem with a Rio hookers is that they have a different service for locals and other one for gringos.
With locals they do everything they ask for and with gringos they like to cheat on time and services.
So now I do the same thing like the locals do, if some hooker treats me like a gringo I put a negative report abut her on the local forums.
Side note:
In other monger countries its still possible to just talk to a random hot girl in the streets (I'm 32 and still in shape) and the chances are high that she is willing to go with you for business, don't know if that case in Brazil.Age & physical condition is a moot issue. The only thing & most significant thing is what's in your wallet? $$.
Bdonkadonk
10-17-18, 04:11
I was talking about terma 2? That's situated on the small street of Buenos Aires.Would you mind telling where is terma 2? In Rua Buenos Aires? I was there to look for it today but I didn't find it. I was assuming that 2? Was hinting that it should either be in Buenos Aires 2 or one of the numbers 20 - 28. I was looking at all those addresses but I didn't find it. A precise address would be great, thanks!
Maybe you forgot to mention the name of the new terma, just like the address of the New Help?Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Good one Sperto.
Thanks guys, sounds like Rio has been exhausted to a point where every girl turned hardcore pro, I'm sure every popular city is heading that way. Making it harder to find that GFF experience, maybe I should look at Sao Paulo? I'm not sure that's a fair statement. However, it's true that the monger scene in Rio has changed. Some blame the Olympics and Rio's government's desire to be "respectable". Is it true? Who knows? IMHO, when they closed HELP, it was an attempt to send a message to the world that Rio was no longer a sex tourism destination. I assure you that local Carioca men have no trouble finding GDP's (garota the programma); it's the non-Portuguese speaking foreigner who is challenged.
Is it the paradise it once was? Heck no. But that does not mean that you should not go. However, you do need to temper your expectations. I think what's happened is that the the "semi-pro" (the cashier or waitress who hangs out in bars and turns tricks for extra cash) has been driven underground. The hardened pros you mention are what is still easily visible. Similarly, Termas and Clinicas offer a more "clinical" experience (pardon the pun). If you are looking for a true GFE in Rio, you need to look deeper and accept that it's going to take time hanging out in bars and clubs and picking up girls just like you would at home. The only difference is that once chemistry is established, the question of price quickly comes up in the conversation.
UniversalX
10-17-18, 07:06
I'm not sure that's a fair statement. However, it's true that the monger scene in Rio has changed. Some blame the Olympics and Rio's government's desire to be "respectable". Is it true? Who knows? IMHO, when they closed HELP, it was an attempt to send a message to the world that Rio was no longer a sex tourism destination. I assure you that local Carioca men have no trouble finding GDP's (garota the programma); it's the non-Portuguese speaking foreigner who is challenged.
Is it the paradise it once was? Heck no. But that does not mean that you should not go. However, you do need to temper your expectations. I think what's happened is that the the "semi-pro" (the cashier or waitress who hangs out in bars and turns tricks for extra cash) has been driven underground. The hardened pros you mention are what is still easily visible. Similarly, Termas and Clinicas offer a more "clinical" experience (pardon the pun). If you are looking for a true GFE in Rio, you need to look deeper and accept that it's going to take time hanging out in bars and clubs and picking up girls just like you would at home. The only difference is that once chemistry is established, the question of price quickly comes up in the conversation.Jake is spot on!
With the closure of HELP the scene has changed but you can always get GFE in Rio you just have to relax and give in to the fact it may take a little work, your radar must be on at all times. Now I don't know if you monger alone or with friends. I tend to find GDPs in Termas to be a good find If you session with one who give you good service and good vibe get her number and invite her after hours to your place. If you have friend (s) traveling with you expand your environment to Regular Clubs or go to the LAPA area or explore the Barra the Tijuca area clubs. Cellphone Translator Apps can help if you are a Non-Portuguese speaking and I can tell you spend time with Pimsular or Rossetta Stone and learn as much as possible even the smallest amount of language learning can help and the appreciate you trying to learn no matter how weak you language skills are.
Good luck and happy hunting.
ForceSteeler
10-17-18, 12:57
I'm not sure that's a fair statement. However, it's true that the monger scene in Rio has changed. Some blame the Olympics and Rio's government's desire to be "respectable". Is it true? Who knows? IMHO, when they closed HELP, it was an attempt to send a message to the world that Rio was no longer a sex tourism destination. I assure you that local Carioca men have no trouble finding GDP's (garota the programma); it's the non-Portuguese speaking foreigner who is challenged.
Is it the paradise it once was? Heck no. But that does not mean that you should not go. However, you do need to temper your expectations. I think what's happened is that the the "semi-pro" (the cashier or waitress who hangs out in bars and turns tricks for extra cash) has been driven underground. The hardened pros you mention are what is still easily visible. Similarly, Termas and Clinicas offer a more "clinical" experience (pardon the pun). If you are looking for a true GFE in Rio, you need to look deeper and accept that it's going to take time hanging out in bars and clubs and picking up girls just like you would at home. The only difference is that once chemistry is established, the question of price quickly comes up in the conversation.Well you have to understand that most mongers are lazy. There favorite place called Help was pretty much Point and Click and ever since it closed down. They feel there world has ended. They do not understand that Brazil has over 200 Million People, Almost Half of the population is women and they are thousands of girls that turn 18 Years old every week. In Life Nothing stays the same. You have to always adapt. Right now Brazil is in a huge recession. So there plenty of girls that would love to sell there holes, to get extra money to get ahead. Is everything point and click like the 90's and 2000's?. NO but right now we are in the best of times, We have technology which gives us direct access to people. From Social Networking, to Tinder, and if your willing to put in the work to learn Portuguese sky's the limit. You will have access too some real gems. Unlike the Harden Pros you find in Mabs or the Termas. If your willing to put in the work, Brazil is a goldmine.
Member #4732
10-17-18, 17:59
Well you have to understand that most mongers are lazy. There favorite place called Help was pretty much Point and Click and ever since it closed down. They feel there world has ended. They do not understand that Brazil has over 200 Million People, Almost Half of the population is women and they are thousands of girls that turn 18 Years old every week. In Life Nothing stays the same. You have to always adapt. Right now Brazil is in a huge recession. So there plenty of girls that would love to sell there holes, to get extra money to get ahead. Is everything point and click like the 90's and 2000's?. NO but right now we are in the best of times, We have technology which gives us direct access to people. From Social Networking, to Tinder, and if your willing to put in the work to learn Portuguese sky's the limit. You will have access too some real gems. Unlike the Harden Pros you find in Mabs or the Termas. If your willing to put in the work, Brazil is a goldmine.100% total agreement. Its all about putting in the effort. IMO the situation is improving all the time for those that are able to adapt.
Agree with all of this. And I would add that having a poor grasp of Portuguese isn't the hindrance it once was. Most Termas now allow clients to bring their cell phones into the club. You don't have to hide them anymore. With Google translate, having a conversation with a GDP who doesn't speak your language is much easier than it used to be. Yeah, it sucked when Help closed and the semi-pros are harder to find. But Brazil is still the best destination for our little hobby, imo. Next week I'll be taking my fifth trip this year.
Well you have to understand that most mongers are lazy. There favorite place called Help was pretty much Point and Click and ever since it closed down. They feel there world has ended. They do not understand that Brazil has over 200 Million People, Almost Half of the population is women and they are thousands of girls that turn 18 Years old every week. In Life Nothing stays the same. You have to always adapt. Right now Brazil is in a huge recession. So there plenty of girls that would love to sell there holes, to get extra money to get ahead. Is everything point and click like the 90's and 2000's?. NO but right now we are in the best of times, We have technology which gives us direct access to people. From Social Networking, to Tinder, and if your willing to put in the work to learn Portuguese sky's the limit. You will have access too some real gems. Unlike the Harden Pros you find in Mabs or the Termas. If your willing to put in the work, Brazil is a goldmine.
Exec Talent
10-17-18, 19:03
Well you have to understand that most mongers are lazy. There favorite place called Help was pretty much Point and Click and ever since it closed down. They feel there world has ended. They do not understand that Brazil has over 200 Million People, Almost Half of the population is women and they are thousands of girls that turn 18 Years old every week. In Life Nothing stays the same. You have to always adapt. Right now Brazil is in a huge recession. So there plenty of girls that would love to sell there holes, to get extra money to get ahead. Is everything point and click like the 90's and 2000's?. NO but right now we are in the best of times, We have technology which gives us direct access to people. From Social Networking, to Tinder, and if your willing to put in the work to learn Portuguese sky's the limit. You will have access too some real gems. Unlike the Harden Pros you find in Mabs or the Termas. If your willing to put in the work, Brazil is a goldmine.I speak a lot to budding entrepreneurs who listen endlessly to internet marketing gurus who talk go on and on about strategy but never provide any details.
How about one of you mongering gurus providing some details for a change? Maybe on how you learned Portuguese so well? Or, where specifically you have gone to meet women and your success stories with details.
Frenchieboy
10-17-18, 19:53
A common theme over several ISG threads is guys not liking or not willing to negotiate. They believe that if they try to get the girl for a cheaper price, she will not fuck them as well as they would for the original price and they also claim that it ruins the mood. I have found none of that to be true.You are right but I spent only 2 days in Rio so 100 reals more or less it is 22 euros! So when I find a beautiful woman (not so often for sure in Mabs!), I pay no problem.
What is funny it 's that I gave you information about 3 very nice girls in Mabs, in Rio till friday, and everybody told me you pay too much !!!
JuveStadium
10-17-18, 20:06
You are right but I spent only 2 days in Rio so 100 reals more or less it is 22 euros! So when I find a beautiful woman (not so often for sure in Mabs!), I pay no problem.
What is funny it 's that I gave you information about 3 very nice girls in Mabs, in Rio till friday, and everybody told me you pay too much !!!That's not funny.
That's the truth.
You payed 400 reais.
And it's too muuuuuch.
For 1 hour.
I want to thank everyone for the latest posts. There are 9 of us arriving in Rio 11/1 and the posts the last few day are a great help. The others in my group will be expecting me to guide them. I doubt that I will be able to add new info after a 5 day visit but if I come across something interesting I will report it.
That's not funny.
That's the truth.
You payed 400 reais.
And it's too muuuuuch.
For 1 hour.
Was in Mabs last Friday, we have met 3 girls from Belo Horizonte Brenda (many tattoos), Giovanna, and Anna they will be in Rio till Friday, very nice and cute I recommand them only problem 400 reals !!! As we had not time to discuss prices we said ok.
Was also friday night in Dolce vita around 11 pm empty !!!!400 for an hour is a little high but you'd probably pay about the same at Monte Carlo for an hour or even 40 minutes but I don't see anyone bitching about that. Also Frenchy doesn't say how long it was, was it just an hour?
I think Dolce Vita might get more action later than 11 PM, more like 1 AM.
Eszpresszo
10-19-18, 12:37
Well you have to understand that most mongers are lazy. There favorite place called Help was pretty much Point and Click and ever since it closed down. Well, what I call low level mongers are lazy. They have no sense of adventure and are reluctant to take risks. They cluster to places like Pattaya, Sosua and the German FKKs. It seems some base their entire mongering experience on those places, the well beaten path for the point-and-click experience. Some of us are more adventurous and revel in walking into a dark compound and towards the glow of a fishbowl, like moths to a light. No risk, no reward.
In other monger countries its still possible to just talk to a random hot girl in the streets (I'm 32 and still in shape) and the chances are high that she is willing to go with you for business, don't know if that case in Brazil.I don't think Brazil was ever that easy. I think you might be comparing it to places like Colombia, Thailand, Philippines, the Dominican Republic etc. You might be looking for a "fish in a barrel" environment.
Depending on your physical attractiveness, 32 is a very good age. A hot, 19 year old Brasileira is not going to have an issue going with a man in his thirties and even older. As a general rule, I found that if a Brazilian knew some English, she was curious about Western / American men. By the 2000's, I had much better success hooking up with Brazilian girls at clubs in Sao Paulo and secondary cities. Rio became a pain in the ass with non-pros because the gringo sex scene gave women seen with Western men a bad reputation.
I'm a bit too old to chase teenage and twentysomething non-pros now. I have to think that now that Help Disco and the whole Avenida Atlantica sex scene has basically been shutdown you can find non-pros more receptive to flirtation.
Frenchieboy
10-19-18, 18:54
400 for an hour is a little high but you'd probably pay about the same at Monte Carlo for an hour or even 40 minutes but I don't see anyone bitching about that. Also Frenchy doesn't say how long it was, was it just an hour?
I think Dolce Vita might get more action later than 11 PM, more like 1 AM.I spent 1 hour and half for 400 reals, very deep french kiss and oral without! ,but lot of tattoos.
Member #4732
10-19-18, 19:52
Well, what I call low level mongers are lazy. They have no sense of adventure and are reluctant to take risks. They cluster to places like Pattaya, Sosua and the German FKKs. It seems some base their entire mongering experience on those places, the well beaten path for the point-and-click experience. Some of us are more adventurous and revel in walking into a dark compound and towards the glow of a fishbowl, like moths to a light. No risk, no reward.Very true. Reminds me of a time I was in St. Petersburg Russia at a well known disco free lancer hangout and it was not happening that night. I met a Finn who was visiting and he asked me if there were other places. I took him to a salon I knew of which was a typical SPB salon in an old building with a walk up to the 4th floor. The front door was slightly busted, the stairwells were unkempt, and on this occasion the entire stairwell lighting system was completely out, so it was pitch dark and I had to guide us up the stairs using my cell phone lantern. The Finn was pretty much in shock, he said to me "You Americans are frontier people", and it took me a while to understand he was saying "frontier", not "frontier". But it was worth it. After climbing the 4 flights we were ushered into the brilliantly like salon with about 15 girls waiting for us.
ForceSteeler
10-19-18, 22:48
Rio became a pain in the ass with non-pros because the gringo sex scene gave women seen with Western men a bad reputation.
I'm a bit too old to chase teenage and twentysomething non-pros now. I have to think that now that Help Disco and the whole Avenida Atlantica sex scene has basically been shutdown you can find non-pros more receptive to flirtation.I do not think so. Maybe around 2010-2013 when Brazil Economy was good. But in 2018 with Brazil in Recession almost any girl is up for grabs unless she is a upper class rich Brazilian. Last Year I fucked a world famous Brazilian funk singer and I had her in my apartment for about 600 Reals for the night. The BBC did a documentary on her in 2015 when they were talking about the upcoming Brazilian Olympics. I had one of the girls in the 4 x 4 Termas hook me up with her and I gave her 150 Real as a tip for the setup meeting. I know you might say 600 Real is expensive but this girl was a true dime. I'm talking smoking 10. When she came to my apartment, The Whole Block was staring at her. But to make a long story short. It gave me a lot of confidence. Because if you have a funk singer that is somewhat semi famous in the Funk Scene, willing to give up her ass for some dollars.
Any typical Brazilian chick will do it in Brazil's current economic climate. I would suggest when trying to find non-pros, Either Learn Portuguese or hire a female and give her a nice tip and let her be your scout for you to find women. My Success Rate is a lot higher when I have a Brazilian female contact another female and setup a meeting for me. I Guess Brazilian women feel more comfortable and safer with another Brazilian women, Then when I'm trying to setup things as a gringo. I usually get more flakes, where as with a women its almost 90% success rate.
But I'm heading to Brazil around the first week of November so I will give you guys updates on the Brazil mongering scene.
Any typical Brazilian chick will do it in Brazil's current economic climate. I would suggest when trying to find non-pros, Either Learn Portuguese or hire a female and give her a nice tip and let her be your scout for you to find women. My Success Rate is a lot higher when I have a Brazilian female contact another female and setup a meeting for me. I Guess Brazilian women feel more comfortable and safer with another Brazilian women, Then when I'm trying to setup things as a gringo. I usually get more flakes, where as with a women its almost 90% success rate.
Best advice in a long time.
A lot of brazilians are having a toughtime financially and it is quite hard for young people to get a job these days, which makes non-pros very available. If approached via a brazilian friend. Chances are much lower on your own as must simply do not meet the ladies under the right circumstances and you will also need to speak portuguese to success on your own. It is all about making the ladies feel safe with you, I. E. Having a trusted intermediary and of course making it worth their while.
For most of my Rio career I have been a terma guy as it was easy and always plenty of choice, but these days I prefer to meet with a non-pro at my apartment and then have a full night with her. Dinner, movies and regular stuff as well. So pretty much a short time girlfriend rather than a 40 minute quickie at a terma.
Currently I have 4 ladies whom I see when in Rio. They are 19-22 years old, attractive and take great care of me. One hairdresser, one underemployed model (not famous, but still gorgeous), one unemployed and one babysitter. Payment varies from dining and wining only, to pay per play and in one case ad hoc financial assistance.
Aside from the financial aspects the ladies are also very keen on new experiences, being treated well and trying things they would otherwise not be able to do. I will give you two examples. During my last trip I invited one lady to a classical concert at Teatro Municipal. We dressed up nicely, went to the concert, had a post concert drink and then off to my place for the night. She was extatic about the whole experience and was very appreciative. Tickets were only R70 each for the good seats, so a pretty cheap night. For my upcoming trip I have promised one lady that we will go to a nice japanese restaurant in Zona Sul for dinner. She is from a poor part of Zona Norte and has never been to a nice restaurant. She is excited already also worried that she is not very chique. So I had to promise that I will order all the food and show her everything there (besides you do not want to let a brazilian lady choose your food). I plan to take her to buy a dress for the evening and I know I will be in heaven that night.
Treat your lady for the night like a girlfriend and make her feel special and you will be rewarded many times over.
Any typical Brazilian chick will do it in Brazil's current economic climate...This advice made me laugh. Imagine some newbies really believing in you, that any typical brazilian chick is for sale, and starts to ask random girls on the street if they are for sale. They will get beaten up badly and probably end up in jail.
I remember four gringos in Arraial d'Ajuda in the nineties. They were a bunch of drunk a-holes with no knowledge of portuguese. They really thought that all brazilian girls were for sale. The only thing they could say in Portuguese was "vinte e cinco reais". They approached random girls on the street and repeated "vinte e cinco reais" several times. They got beaten up by both guys and girls, they got mugged and also had a break-in in the house they rented. They did had some success with their "vinte e cinco reais"-strategy, but only with the village putas.
This advice made me laugh. Imagine some newbies really believing in you, that any typical brazilian chick is for sale, and starts to ask random girls on the street if they are for sale. They will get beaten up badly and propably end up in jail.
I remember four gringos in Arraial d'Ajuda in the nineties. They were a bunch of drunk a-holes with no knowledge of portuguese. They really thought that all brazilian girls were for sale. The only thing they could say in portuguese was "vinte e cinco reais". They approached random girls on the street and repeated "vinte e cinco reais" several times. They got beaten up by both guys and girls, they got mugged and also had a break-in in the house they rented. They did had some success with their "vinte e cinco reais"-strategy, but only with the village putas.I've been living & working in Sao Paulo for almost the last 4 yrs. , the ignorance of the average gringo is appalling. These assholes (especially Americans) think every woman in Brasil is selling their pussy and is dying to hook up with a gringo. Quite, the opposite. Typically, when I go out I only speak Portuguese and I avoid Americans like the plague. When in actuality the majority of these women I meet & work with are usually doctors, lawyers, bankers, stockbrokers, IT types, engineers, scientists, accountants, Ph. The. University professors & MBA businesswomen working for Fortune 500 firms. Many have their own businesses and they're not just beauty & nail salons either. They drive BMWs, Benzes, Jeeps, & Land Rovers. Their homes are in the most exclusive gated communities (Alphaville, for example). Several have been educated at Stanford, MIT, UCLA, Oxford & the Sorbonne. Many attended the US schools on volleyball & football (soccer) athletic scholarships. On average they'll probably speak 2-3 different languages. Many are 2nd /3rd generation children of immigrants from Middle East & Europe. Which implies old money. They dress and look like super models. They travel to Europe, Africa, Asia & USA on business and for pleasure several times a year. Some are single moms, some are married (even have boy toys, usually their personal trainer or office husband). The hottest ones are 30-40 ish unmarried w / o kids. I'm guesstimating their average salaries are somewhere in the low mid 6 figures (US $ exchange rate). The only reason why I'd ever get to meet them is due to my firm's consulting services. Other than that they'd be way out of my league! Upside, I meet a rack of down to earth receptionists, analysts & accountants who are always looking to let off some steam at quitting time!
Exec Talent
10-20-18, 13:05
This advice made me laugh. Imagine some newbies really believing in you, that any typical brazilian chick is for sale, and starts to ask random girls on the street if they are for sale. They will get beaten up badly and propably end up in jail.
I remember four gringos in Arraial d'Ajuda in the nineties. They were a bunch of drunk a-holes with no knowledge of portuguese. They really thought that all brazilian girls were for sale. The only thing they could say in portuguese was "vinte e cinco reais". They approached random girls on the street and repeated "vinte e cinco reais" several times. They got beaten up by both guys and girls, they got mugged and also had a break-in in the house they rented. They did had some success with their "vinte e cinco reais"-strategy, but only with the village putas.Yes. While some advice here is just misinformation, others, if naively followed, could get you hurt. It is as if the posters have never actually been to Brazil and make things up in an attempt to impress the gullible.
For example, can't tell you how many times when Brazil is mentioned that guys go on and on about how all the women on the beach run around topless. I love to ask them exactly where they do that and they stutter, you know Brazil. Right, you mean the country where even mulatas prefer tan lines? That Brazil?
I do not think so. Maybe around 2010-2013 when Brazil Economy was good. But in 2018 with Brazil in Recession almost any girl is up for grabs ......................................I totally agree with Sperto here. Perhaps you have Brad Pitt looks with James Bond type suave but do not give newbies the impression that any Brazilian babe is up for grabs.
I remember a hilarious incident that happened to me decades ago when I first went to work in a small Caribbean island called Trinidad. I entered a collectivo type taxi and sat next to a hot local chick in a mini skirt with her lovely legs exposed. I immediately propositioned her thinking she would respond favorably to a well dressed foreigner. She loudly and quite effectively put me in my place for every one in the full vehicle to hear, telling me who do I think I am, etc. , etc. I was humiliated and got some harsh looks from others in the taxi. The young 20 year old Turgid certainly learnt a valuable lesson that day to try to be a little more respectful in future to all women, abroad and at home.
ForceSteeler
10-20-18, 20:19
I totally agree with Sperto here. Perhaps you have Brad Pitt looks with James Bond type suave but do not give newbies the impression that any Brazilian babe is up for grabs.
I remember a hilarious incident that happened to me decades ago when I first went to work in a small Caribbean island called Trinidad. I entered a collectivo type taxi and sat next to a hot local chick in a mini skirt with her lovely legs exposed. I immediately propositioned her thinking she would respond favorably to a well dressed foreigner. She loudly and quite effectively put me in my place for every one in the full vehicle to hear, telling me who do I think I am, etc. , etc. I was humiliated and got some harsh looks from others in the taxi. The young 20 year old Turgid certainly learnt a valuable lesson that day to try to be a little more respectful in future to all women, abroad and at home.In Life its all about your approach at the end of the day. If you walk up to typical Non-Pros Girl and offer them money for sex. Most are going to be offended because most non-pros don't want to be labeled a working girl or a prostitute. That is the reason why I say its easier to just hire a Brazilian female scout and have them find females for you. It's just like when I had sex with the funk singer. Lets say I tried to offer her money right after she finished her show performance like a typical gringo? She would turn me down and tell me to go fuck myself.
But since I got another female to set things up and everything was private and not out in the public open where people are watching, Its easier for her to agree to my offer.
Again I know I'm contradicting yourself when I say its all about the money, But its also about approach. Its like a car sales men, You can't use the same tactic on the same person. Everyone is different. You can achieve the same result at the end of the day but its all about your approach.
You just have to understand basic human physiology and ego. Its the same thing with men. Some men will spend $100-$1000 thousands of dollars on Dinner, Dates and Gifts on dating women, but will not spend $150 on a working girl. The Reason? Its ego, most of them don't want to be labeled a John. Even though your paying for it directly or indirectly.
So with that being said. Right now in Brazil is a major recession right now. Everybody is struggling and Yes most girls can be available for money. Again I'm not saying just walk up to any girl and offer her money. Again like I said before you have to deal with human ego.
Some you can't be so blunt and direct. If you know Portuguese offer them dinner, and if you want to use my method, Just hire a Brazilian female scout. I personally find that when I get a female to do the work, I have over 90% success rate. Just my 2 cents.
I totally agree with Sperto here. Perhaps you have Brad Pitt looks with James Bond type suave but do not give newbies the impression that any Brazilian babe is up for grabs.
I remember a hilarious incident that happened to me decades ago when I first went to work in a small Caribbean island called Trinidad. I entered a collectivo type taxi and sat next to a hot local chick in a mini skirt with her lovely legs exposed. I immediately propositioned her thinking she would respond favorably to a well dressed foreigner. She loudly and quite effectively put me in my place for every one in the full vehicle to hear, telling me who do I think I am, etc. , etc. I was humiliated and got some harsh looks from others in the taxi. The young 20 year old Turgid certainly learnt a valuable lesson that day to try to be a little more respectful in future to all women, abroad and at home.Brilliant.
Typically, when I go out I only speak Portuguese and I avoid Americans like the plague. No worries; I could care less about you too!
No worries; I could care less about you too!My sentiments exactly! Your ass has probably never been out of the USA!
That is the reason why I say its easier to just hire a Brazilian female scout and have them find females for you... Right now in Brazil is a major recession right now. Everybody is struggling and Yes most girls can be available for money.That makes sense. Assuming any typical Brazilian chick is for sale. If you let somebody else do the approach you don't risk to get beaten up by offended girls or their friends. You can hide behind a female scout.
If somebody really wants to try your strategy they should know that prostitution in Brazil isn't illegal, but pimping/rufianismo is.
That is the reason why I say its easier to just hire a Brazilian female scout and have them find females for you.NOTE:
In 1890, the Penal Code of Brazil penalized pimping (the activity performed by someone who manages the relationship between prostitute and client). Brazilian law criminalizes any third party who profits from the transaction, whether they are an abusive pimp, brothel owner, or private bodyguard.
I'm think twice about the "hiring" a female scout thing. Get yourself a reliable Brasiliero wingman / or not, hang out and just go with the flow. And have plenty of $$ IMHO.
Exec Talent
10-21-18, 16:28
That makes sense. Assuming any typical brazilian chick is for sale. If you let somebody else do the approach you don't risk to get beaten up by offended girls or their friends. You can hide behind a female scout.
If somebody really wants to try your strategy they should know that prostitution in Brazil isn't illegal, but pimping/rufianismo is.Yeah, if memory serves me there was the case of girls, a gringo, a boat and the Federal Police. But hey, who are we to question a guy who has mastered Google search and committed every word in the self-published Foreign Girls are Easy to memory.
ForceSteeler
10-21-18, 16:58
the ignorance of the average gringo is appalling. These assholes (especially Americans) think every woman in Brasil is selling their pussy and is dying to hook up with a gringo. Quite, the opposite. Typically, when I go out I only speak Portuguese and I avoid Americans like the plague. When in actuality the majority of these women I meet & work with are usually doctors, lawyers, bankers, stockbrokers, IT types, engineers, scientists, accountants, Ph. The. University professors & MBA businesswomen working for Fortune 500 firms. Many have their own businesses and they're not just beauty & nail salons either. They drive BMWs, Benzes, Jeeps, & Land Rovers. Their homes are in the most exclusive gated communities (Alphaville, for example). Several have been educated at Stanford, MIT, UCLA, Oxford & the Sorbonne. Many attended the US schools on volleyball & football (soccer) athletic scholarships. On average they'll probably speak 2-3 different languages. Yes women like that are what we consider upper class Brazilians. Of course they are not crazy to hook up with a gringo. In Brazil, doctors, lawyers, bankers, etc. Are considered rich, They have a good paying job and are well off. They don't care about Gringos. We are not talking about well off women.
Why do you think Gringos monger in places like Thailand and the Philippines and not South Korea or Singapore. Because the average South Korean women have a high standard of living, So if your the typical average gringo, your not going to get love in South Korea like that when you compare.
Places like Thailand where there is little to no opportunities. So Women are more willing to hook up with Gringos. When I talk about hooking up with Non-Pros in Brazil, I'm talking about the average to poor female. She is willing to sell her hole. I'm not talking about StockBrokers or bankers in Brazil.
If you want to get with a upper class Brazilian, Your going to need good old fashion game and your going to need to know Portuguese. Most guys that travel to Brazil are on vacation and they usually stay 1-2 weeks max.
So who wants to waste there time chasing well off upper class women that your almost never going to see again. Its one of the main reason why upper class women that are looking for relationships don't care for gringos because they know your not going to be in Brazil very long anyway.
Tomjaackin is one of the absolute best trip reporters on this entire site, especially when it comes to coverage of Latin America. So for anybody to question that is laughable. Check out the Reports of Distinction for Latin American destinations, and you will find plenty of his field reports in there. Keep up the good work my man! Those of us in the know appreciate it.
Mr Enternational
10-21-18, 18:52
Places like Thailand where there is little to no opportunities. So Women are more willing to hook up with Gringos.Actually there are plenty of opportunities in Thailand. It is just that many people are lazy, and like most prostitutes they get into it for the fast and easy money. A friend of mine was going on maternity leave in Pattaya at the end of last year. She wanted me to find someone to fill her space while she was gone. She makes $858 per month as a receptionist at the mom and pop hotel she works in. I could not find anyone for that job because nobody wanted to come to work and be on a schedule like that everyday when they can just fuck a foreigner for a couple of hours and get $30 - $100. There is nobody in Pattaya that has a problem getting a job and I have never heard a Thai say they can not find a job. There are always help wanted signs up everywhere.
Mr Enternational
10-21-18, 20:00
There is nobody in Pattaya that has a problem getting a job and I have never heard a Thai say they can not find a job. There are always help wanted signs up everywhere.Forgot to include my google stats:
Unemployment Rate in Thailand averaged 1.43 percent from 2001 until 2018, reaching an all time high of 5.73 percent in January of 2001 and a record low of 0.39 percent in November of 2012.
Looking back at this discussion of approaching non-pros, keep in mind Brazilian girls generally like flirtation. The problem is many of you have no game at all. If you have no game back home, you likely don't have any game in Brazil. I'm not saying you have to be young and handsome. You just have to know how to start a conversation with an attractive female without looking and drooling with monger eyes.
The girls who aren't interested will take the flirtation as a compliment and let you down politely. The girls who are open to foreign connections and some side money will also appreciate that you are treating them as a regular, attractive woman with respect.
I've had a number of mongers reach out to me to find out what I did to try and take advantage of the high conversation rate 2 months ago. The truth is, I missed out on it. I think it was like 4. 25 R when I was desperately trying to figure out how I could convert my dollars into reais for my 2 future tips to Brasil. All reports I had seen were saying that if Bolsanerio won the election that the real would become much stronger and the rate would plummet.
1) I went to my Bank of America and Citibank and the best they could do at the time 3. 70 R, o matter howmuch I complained that it was almost 60 cents off the international rate, they couldn't do anything for me. Take it or leave it was the attitude.
2) I thought about sending it to a friend who lived in Rio and have them convert it for me. Western Union also had a shitty rate so that was a no go.
3) I was gett8 ing more and more upset ecause the rate was falling everyday and nobody could give me a good way to get the reais at a good rate.
4) I found out that an ex-help girl that I knew was going back to Brasil in October to see her family so I wired the money to her account and she wired it to her brasilian bank account.
5) She absolutely refused to carry the money on her person to brasil because she said that Rio is very dangerous and she was nervous to walk around with that mush money in case she got robbed. (I begged her to take the cash because I knew she would get a better rate at the cambios but she wasnt having it).
6) she ended up getting 3. 75 R at her bank so basically I was fucked out of about 3600 reais! Trust me when I say I was angry as hell that there was nothing I could do about it. It is very frustrating when I think about all the fun I could have had in Rio with the extra 1000 dollars in my pocket, that is a lot of fucking and partying that got pissed away in the rain!!
I am headed down to Rio in a couple of weeks, I know I will have a great time. I just have stop reminding myself of all the money I could have had in my pocket if there had been an easy / fair way to convert those dollars when the rate was super high.
I am headed down to Rio in a couple of weeks, I know I will have a great time. I just have stop reminding myself of all the money I could have had in my pocket if there had been an easy / fair way to convert those dollars when the rate was super high.I think that went down pretty much the way people here thought it would.
ForceSteeler
10-23-18, 22:03
I've had a number of mongers reach out to me to find out what I did to try and take advantage of the high conversation rate 2 months ago. The truth is, I missed out on it. I think it was like 4. 25 R when I was desperately trying to figure out how I could convert my dollars into reais for my 2 future tips to Brasil. All reports I had seen were saying that if Bolsanerio won the election that the real would become much stronger and the rate would plummet.
1) I went to my Bank of America and Citibank and the best they could do at the time 3. 70 R, o matter howmuch I complained that it was almost 60 cents off the international rate, they couldn't do anything for me. Take it or leave it was the attitude..Don't stress yourself out. I'm heading to Brazil in a few weeks, and I talk to a Expat that lives out there. Its a buyer market. The economy is so shitty that, you can always negotiate down. Yes it may not be 4 to 1 but you will still have a good time.
On a currency tip. The reason the Brazil Real is getting strong is outsider investors and wall street are hoping Bolsanerio privatize everything in Brazil and elimate government spending. Lets see how that works. With no safety net, such as pensions and cutting police salary.
Police are just going to be more corrupt In the future look for Brazil to be more dangerous and out of control.
...Why do you think Gringos monger in places like Thailand and the Philippines and not South Korea or Singapore. Because the average South Korean women have a high standard of living, So if your the typical average gringo, your not going to get love in South Korea like that when you compare...Slight correction. I am fairly familiar with mongering with South Korean women. They are expensive indeed, but widely available. The average South Korean woman does not really have a high standard of living. She aspires to get one but most are not there yet.
And in Singapore. The native Singaporean Chinese chicks don't have a good reputation for service. So folks tend to avoid them. Instead, folks look for other ethnicities such as Viets, other Chinese, and Eastern Europeans.
LoverBoy1024
10-25-18, 07:49
First of all thank you to all the contributors to this page and for the page itself. I visited Rio two weeks ago and I have some perspectives to share.
I have to say that I found myself surprised at how safe I felt in Rio. I stayed in Copacabana and walked the streets past 2 am on a few occasions as well as walked around Centro. By the way it is really easy to get turned around in Centro even using Google maps navigation. I was approached on many occasions with people speaking Portuguese and I think one Russian. It seems to be a very multi-ethnic city where even this Irish-Englishman looked like he was a Carioca. While there are many homeless in Copacabana I did not see any crime or police action. The homeless were all sleeping at 2 am.
My mongering approach was to try each of the easily available options: Termas, Massagems and online ads.
Sunday. I arrived on a Sunday and so I went to the Hippie Faire in Ipanema after checking in. Interesting, but I was just checking things out and had no intention of buying anything. I was thinking of trying a online advertisement but I was a little confused about WhatsApp. I didn't realize until later that I could use my US phone number (thank you T-Mobile! And I was told that the TIM store wouldn't be open until Monday. So, as expected Sunday was a quiet one.
Monday. I scheduled the tourist thing. Sugarloaf, Christ Redeemer, steakhouse lunch and the steps tour. It turned out to be a fine day although there were high clouds that didn't obstruct the views and a little rain. Instead of getting taken back to the hotel I left it at the steps in Santa Theresa and walked downtown to Quatro por Quatro.
It is quite a learning curve to get changed into a robe, and find your way into the lounge area, but I managed! But I left everything in the locker including my phone with Google Translate, my Bareskin Magnums and my mints. I could have used all those but didn't know what I could take and forgot the rest in my nervousness. So I cooled off under an air conditioner vent and sipped a Caipirinha while checking out the ladies. They were all friendly enough and it didn't take long to connect just using body language. So upstairs we went and I selected an hour in a standard room. This was a very friendly girl. DFK, BBBJ and many positions. The time seemed to be incredibly long and she never got tired. Well worth the money. After taking a shower I was back in the lounge. I was almost immediately seduced by another beautiful girl. By the way they were all pretty hot. Anyway she was again very friendly and we had a great time.
The bartender asked me for a tip when I got out to the lounge and ordered a beer. For some reason that pissed me off and I drank the beer and headed for the door. After changing back into my street clothes the girl in the locker room pointed to the sign on the wall that was there to remind everyone that she wouldn't mind a tip either. Okay fine I gave her a few are $. Well I was pretty happy with the bill on the way out. Seems like it was about are $700 for two great lays and some drinks. I paid using my debit card and went out a happy guy. Well I was half way down the road when the locker girl chased me down to give me my debit card that I forgot! Wow, tip well earned! I walked to the Carioca subway station and got a ride back to Copacabana.
Tuesday. I went and bought a TIM card. I was hoping to get better internet speeds but it seems to have been a wast of money. Or maybe there was a data cap I blew through pretty quickly. Either way I was constantly switching back and forth between my T-Mobile sim and TIM looking for a better connection.
Anyway I contacted a few advertisements using WhatsApp the night before using my T-Mobile number and had a date around 1 pm. All went smoothly with this date except that it turned out to be a minor bait and switch. She didn't match the photo, but I was OK with her. The other parameters looked right - 18 yo and thin. CBJ a little kissing and seemingly endless energy and time. Worth the are $250. Later on I bumped into the girl in the photo on the way out of the shower. She was her roommate. Oh well. My impostor told me she would contact me later and do a threesome, but it never materialized. After that I went down by the beach and caught a pretty good band at a kiosk and then went to eat at Galeto Sat's. I ended up going to Galeto Sats two more times after that evening- highly recommend for its food and menu in English. I left the restaurant too late to catch the subway and ended up having to walk back to my hotel on the west side of Copacabana.
I decided to try Copa 583 Massagem. A nice place. I chose a little older lady (30?) who was a really beautiful white woman with a really nice figure. I soon found out that Branca spoke English! She was a great kisser and loved doing a BBBJ that was the best of the trip. In fact she likes doing BJs so much I found her pussy sopping wet and she admitted it was because she got so turned on by it. Anyway it was a great massage and a great lay for are $150.
Wednesday. I had booked a love hotel downtown Centro. I still had my hotel in Copa for the whole time but they have a restrictive guest policy and I wanted to switch it up anyway. I started the day by setting up a lunch date through an advertisement to meet me at Confeitaria Colombo at 1 pm. The plan was to have lunch and then go check into the love hotel for a couple hours. Well she texted me that she was at the beauty salon and couldn't come until an hour and a half later. Sure. More like she just got laid and needed some recovery time. Instead I hoped over to Whiskeria 65. CBJ and a little kissing but man was she hot in doggy style. Darn, I lost my camishinha, but she was more than fine with it after I gave her are $50 for a morning after pill. Are $200 total damage.
So I went on a walking tour of the city. A lot of beautiful architecture. The Royal Reading room is a gem in the midst of graffiti. Many statues and churches. I arrived at Hotel Primor, checked in and took a spa bath. After that I got on WhatsApp and found companionship for the next 5 hours. I didn't know what to expect for are $500 but I was pleasantly surprised. 18 yo, loves to kiss, BBBJ and endless energy. We talked on Google Translate, I got some dancing lessons, we ordered room service and we enjoyed the 5 hours very much. In fact I told her I wanted to go to Copacabana Beach with her on Friday for 12 hours.
Thursday. I checked into Hotel Lido in Copacabana; another love hotel. My plan was to meet up with a local porn star for a couple hours, arranged through an online advertisement. Well, she stood me up. She had childcare issues. So we rescheduled to Saturday, my last night in Rio. Instead I went to Monte Carlo. Wow, much higher prices than 4 x 4 - almost as bad as the airlines with charging a fee for this and that so you have no idea what you are paying in the end. Anyway, the usual change into a robe in the locker room, but this time I brought my bare skin magnums. I got tired waiting for the lift and took the stairs to the third floor. As soon as I got to the third floor there is this girl I made eye contact with. Wow, perfect girl in every respect, but I haven't even seen the place yet. So I went to the bar for a beer. Well I'm standing there doing my "I don't speak Portuguese" while looking around. And that girl from my entry comes over and stands on the other side of the room from me. Mind you there are very few guys in the place, I really have my pick. So I'm looking around and looking back at her. Okay fine, I walk over to her and say Hi I speak English. Yeah, that's right; the best pickup line ever. So she is coming on to me and I'm just like yeah baby whatever you want. I didn't understand the whole Brazilian bunda thing until that moment. This girl was a thin brunette except she has this big butt. Wow, okay that is sexy! So we get the suite for an hour. I take a shower and when I come out she is sitting there naked on the bed. So I really need to enjoy every inch of her body first things first. She was the prettiest girl I have ever been with. So she puts on the condom for a CBJ that was OK and then just automatically gets in doggy with her head resting on the mattress looking back at me with this devilish smile. This girl was thin everywhere except that Butt. And as I'm doing my thing I'm looking at her butt and back to her smiling face looking back at me; I don't last 20 minutes. I probably could have stayed longer for a second shot at the goal, but I was really happy and didn't want to have any chance of ruining a perfect memory. Are $777 and I am absolutely sure I got the better end of the deal. I went to the beer store next to the Lido and got plastered on three dark beers because I didn't eat anything all day. I went back to Galeto Sat's and then really just came back and passed out at the Lido for a few hours before walking back to my "nice hotel" on the west side of Copacabana.
Friday. So I head back to the Lido for my beach date. I call the girl from Wednesday night (really it is an agency) and ask for her to come over. Are $1000 for 12 hours. Well they send the wrong girl. I made the mistake of not complaining right away and sending her packing. But I don't like arguing and she fit the parameters on 18 yo with big boobs and tight small body. But she was tired, started complaining and I wanted the other girl. Well I call the agency back and request a change, but they won't budge. So I sent the girl home. Then the agency is saying I can have the other girl for 10 hours for are $300 and I relent. Well I am happy I did, and we had a great time at the beach and went to Galeto Sat's and the beer store and I ended up keeping her overnight for an additional 12 hours. But the agency kept ripping me off on time and money the whole way. They demanded that she leave early. I told the girl she needed to get away from these criminals. If they were ripping me off they were ripping her off too. And she has since left the Agency, taking two other girls with her. I scheduled a trip in February to go back and see her.
Saturday. When the girl left I packed up and left the Lido too, going back to my hotel. After a rest in my hotel I was looking forward to my local porn star. We had agreed that I would come to her place since I was to check out of the Lido already. However she asked if she could meet me at the Lido when I texted her. Okay fine. So I asked at the Lido what their hourly rate was. Hahaha, 2 hours about the same as the nightly rate booked on Expedia. Anyway the porn star stood me up again. So I went back to Copa 583 to see Branca, are $150. Not as nice a time because I was a lame duck leaving the next day probably.
But then I went to an apartment in the same building and that was interesting. They had a bar set up in the kitchen, living room a couple bathrooms and the bedrooms for business. Kind of like going to a high school house party with hookers. I went with a really fine girl to stat for an hour are $170. We rested at the bar and chatted. I asked what time they closed. The bar tender explained that they would close at 8 pm, but if you get there before that, then you can stay as long as you like. My plane was leaving early in the morning but I saw no reason to sleep. I ended up staying until 2 am. I kept taking girls back for an hour and resting a little and repeat. The highlight was the fine girl and another I took for a threesome. We negotiated the terms. None of the girls she liked were there now. She likes skinny white girls. (Well yeah, who doesn't? So I proposed this: one girl sits on my face and tries her best to cum. The other girl enjoyed sucking and fracking me. Then they switch half way. Well I know I liked it, but they seemed to like it even more. Right after that they needed my WhatsApp. It was a party. I bought a pizza, everyone had a great time.
Sunday. After three hours sleep at the hotel I packed up and caught an UBER to the airport. Now I am looking forward to my beach vacation in February 19.
LoverBoy1024, good first report. Thanks.
LoverBoy1024, good first report. Thanks.I completely agree! It's refreshing to see a solid TR in this forum.
Thank you LB!
Bdonkadonk
10-26-18, 03:45
... I have to say that I found myself surprised at how safe I felt in Rio. I stayed in Copacabana and walked the streets past 2 am on a few occasions as well as walked around Centro.Thanks for the trip report! As long as nothing happens you will feel safe but that can change in a second. I would advice you to be careful on your next trip and especially when walking the streets (alone) late at night. I was robbed myself in Copacabana around 2 AM on a Friday night and that was not a nice experience. Three guys came out of nowhere and I had no chance and they took my backpack and one of ther guys hit me hard right in my head. You don't want an experience like that, so don't take your safety for granted and stay safe!
LoverBoy1024
10-26-18, 04:35
Thanks for the trip report! As long as nothing happens you will feel safe but that can change in a second. I would advice you to be careful on your next trip and especially when walking the streets (alone) in the middle of the night. I was robbed myself in Copacabana around 2 AM on a Friday night and that was not a nice experience. Three guys came out of nowhere and I had no chance and they took my backpack and one of ther guys hit me hard right in my head. You don't want an experience like that, so stay safe!You are right to say that others should not follow my example. I push the boundaries and I always have. I think every monger does to an extent, we go to some pretty unsafe places. Should we be as safe as possible in those unsafe places? Sure.
I only say that I felt relatively safe in Rio de Janeiro. Comparing my experiences in Jamaica where I went through several robbery attempts. I felt afraid all the time in Jamaica. I felt safe all the time in Rio. But I push the boundaries. That doesn't mean others should follow in my footsteps. I am a pretty tough guy. Military, martial arts, 6'2", I naturally suppress my emotions including fear. People have threatened me, but they have backed down. The two guys following me on a dark beach in Negril Jamaica backed down when I turned around and asked them if they had a problem. The guy trying to snatch my wallet in Montego Bay waved a knife around but backed down. You are right, past performance is not a great predictor of the future as we grow older.
You are right to say that others should not follow my example. I push the boundaries and I always have. I think every monger does to an extent, we go to some pretty unsafe places.A nice trip report.
Be careful! Just don't feel too confident in Rio just because nothing happened on your first trip. Walking in Copacabana or Centro is far from "pushing the boundaries" in Rio. Sh*t can happen anywhere at anytime in Rio.
As long as you use common sense you should be quite safe. Never show fear, the malandros will smell it just like a pack of dogs.
I'm lucky. 28 years going to Rio and I never got robbed. My main concern is the danger in the traffic. Crossing the street and some a-hole afraid of stopping at red light might hit me.
Member #4587
10-26-18, 23:36
I am a pretty tough guy. Military, martial arts, 6'2"Brazil is not Jamaica. You are pretty tough guy until you see a gun or two in front of you and believe me, they will shoot, because your life for them is less worth than even the cost of your empty wallet. Safe travel!
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