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MadMax9336
09-16-23, 16:13
I stand corrected. Clinca (cost USD$50) is not a term used in Rio. It is only used in Sau Paulo for places similar to casa in Medellin (cost $13). A casa in Medellin is similar to places like DarkRoom in Rio.
This post is just to introduce more context to express my original intention as DC is familiar with the term casa in Medellin so I skipped the detail.Thanks for the lingo clarifications Nounce.
For some reason I am used to say casa anywhere I go in south America. The same was mentioned when I was in Cuba but realized Cubans use that word different and got offended.
Casa particular is regular tourist accommodation in Cuba.
Have to remember these lingos.
I am trying to find a reports of distinction on Brazil TR. I remember book marked but cannot find. Can anyone share or point to the post so that I want to fresh my memory and note down the places to visit and prices.
I found out I ran out of data but I decided to just get a new chip with data when I saw a TIM shopping stand. I have been to this stand before and they told me CPF is required. Today I told them I have passport (I was going to an airline to purchase flight) and they told me they only accept CPF. Then asked if I have friend here. I said no. The girl said you are all alone here? I said yes and I know no one. Hehe. I told them I got chip in Rio and Sao Paulo without CPF and passport. Then they talked to each other and asked me do I want to put credit on my chip or a new chip. I said I want a new chip with data on it. Then I saw she opened a file on her phone with a list of numbers that looked like CPF number. They proceeded to register a SIM chip for me. LOL. So I guess some would help you when they know what you already know that one can get a chip without CPF.
I think it's about their closing time, I would try to invite both to dinner to thank them as excuse if I wasn't going to the airline.
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I am trying to find a reports of distinction on Brazil TR..It is here.
Axel Heyst gets straight to the point on how to play the game.
Vagabundo1
09-18-23, 23:48
FWIW, I have not lived at the grand hyatt barra but I live close by:
- Pesquira (spelling is wrong) is a top fish spot nearby on praia the reserva. Very white, very whites only, very expenlsive, girls from top termas love to go there to get their pics there as it is a status thing, and of course you are paying.
- I don't like this area (posto 7 - 9) as it is even more whites only than posto 6.
- it is safe.
- the uber residence in the area is novo leblon where the lawyer at conservative church groups live.
- you can find some social commentary on this on porto dos fundos channel on youtube, google barra.
Have you or anyone else stayed at the grand hyatt in barra that's right on the beach?
I'm flying in early from SP to Rio in OCT and going to book one night there so I can just drop the bags off and start enjoying rio. Booking an airbnb for the rest of the trip.
Does anyone know if it's GF friendly or not? Grand hyatt is usually pretty flexible but I will be staying with a buddy and I have it booked for two people. Sometimes they just charge 150 BRL to let them stay at least in SP but idk in barra. If anything I can get a love motel room for 150 BRL in rio but if I can have a girl over for an hour or two that would be ideal as it's in a suite.
Explorer8939
09-19-23, 09:29
BTW. Can any one suggest how to look for chica friendly Airbnb. I have booked 2 bedroom apartment near Copacabana ($800 CAD) though they did not specifically mentioned about guest policy but no party, no smoking policy. Not sure if this means. No entry for chicas?
A Garota friendly AirBnB in Rio. Copacabana would be very useful. Anyone have a lead on one?
Of course, the issue is Security, a lot of places just don't let guests in.
A Garota friendly AirBnB in Rio. Copacabana would be very useful. Anyone have a lead on one?
Of course, the issue is Security, a lot of places just don't let guests in.Before you book just ask the host if you can have any visitors during your stay. Just say you have friends in the area that will come by to visit for a few hours but not stay overnight.
Copa hosts know the drill and will be cool as long as you don't throw a party in the room or trash / smoke the room up.
FWIW, I have not lived at the grand hyatt barra but I live close by:
- Pesquira (spelling is wrong) is a top fish spot nearby on praia the reserva. Very white, very whites only, very expenlsive, girls from top termas love to go there to get their pics there as it is a status thing, and of course you are paying.
- I don't like this area (posto 7 - 9) as it is even more whites only than posto 6.
- it is safe.
- the uber residence in the area is novo leblon where the lawyer at conservative church groups live.
- you can find some social commentary on this on porto dos fundos channel on youtube, google barra.Looks like a nice resort for sure. The plan is get a SP girl to come with me to Rio, take her here for the first day then go to Buzio for 2 days and send her back home. As a new born carioca, I've seen the affect rio does to SP girls and it's so worth it.
I'll post my experience once I finish my trip and see how it goes.
FlappyGilmore0
09-21-23, 03:18
At Vagabundo,
I ain't white and don't like the whites only vibe I pick up on in Leblon. Is Barra really like that north of posto 3?
Got a trip coming up and was planning on staying in Barra on an upcoming trip (probably posto 3-6 area). Pesqueiro was on my radar to take a regular girl of mine to splurge. Also wanted to stay in Barra for some solitude and beach relaxing.
If I've got to deal with a bunch of snooty glares it's not worth it.
FWIW, I have not lived at the grand hyatt barra but I live close by:
- Pesquira (spelling is wrong) is a top fish spot nearby on praia the reserva. Very white, very whites only, very expenlsive, girls from top termas love to go there to get their pics there as it is a status thing, and of course you are paying.
- I don't like this area (posto 7 - 9) as it is even more whites only than posto 6.
- it is safe.
- the uber residence in the area is novo leblon where the lawyer at conservative church groups live.
- you can find some social commentary on this on porto dos fundos channel on youtube, google barra.
CenTexCrash
09-21-23, 04:24
Was out late on Sao Paulo, finished a session, thought find place to eat when I get off subway. Walking on sidewalk, Looked at my phone 11 pm loading Google Maps when SP bicycle bandit full speed snatched my phone. Has all my pics and Sim card. They didn't grab my satchel or wallet cards or assault me thank god but this sucks.
Using my hobby burner phone without a SIM connected to hotel wi-fi.
Suggestions on brand of SIM to throw in here for a few days.
Was out late on Sao Paulo, finished a session, thought find place to eat when I get off subway. Walking on sidewalk, Looked at my phone 11 pm loading Google Maps when SP bicycle bandit full speed snatched my phone. Has all my pics and Sim card. They didn't grab my satchel or wallet cards or assault me thank god but this sucks.
Using my hobby burner phone without a SIM connected to hotel wi-fi.
Suggestions on brand of SIM to throw in here for a few days.I always recommend people to use a strap / lanyard connector to your phone. I use one for my phone. In SP and RJ I had a guy dash to my side and try to take my phone (republica in SP and Centro in RJ, both not safe places) and since I had my phone strapped to my wrist, the moment they felt that it wasn't going to come out my hand easily they just kept biking. They are not going to stop and fight you for it because they are cowards and don't want to throw hands with a 100% all american beef cake (I have a planet fitness membership so I'm basically the most strongest man in the western hemisphere chiseled by allah himself).
Also wear shorts or pants with zippers so you can put your cash / phone in there and no one is getting in those bad boys without giving you a BBBJ first.
The trannies that walk along cocoa carvana streets at night will always swarm you and try to feel you up and dig their man hands down your shorts for some dead presidents and all they'll get is the muscly thighs of an American patriot.
My iphone set up is a bit more heavy duty then the example pics because I built my own system that works with a specific case and wrist strap system that I put together myself but anything will really work as long as it can take some pull resistance and not snap.
... Walking on sidewalk, Looked at my phone 11 pm loading Google Maps when SP bicycle bandit full speed snatched my phone. ....They made a video to warn people this. I warned about this several times here. They will try to grab something from you even when you have nothing. I was lucky because I didn't use phone cover so it was slippery and dropped to the ground. I wasn't thinking that bicycle could come up to the sidewalk and was texting.
Vagabundo1
09-23-23, 13:08
I say whites only as an economic not legal observation around Pesqueiro and praia do reserva.
Of course all colors are allowed, but in practice, there are very few negra or mulatta faces.
I was there with a mulatta, and my money is good so it was no problem.
Professionals study logistics. The city buses do not go on that strand of beach. The patricinhas and patricios like this exclusivity. I do not.
The brown and black cariocas are generally going to take a bus unless they are with you to pay for uber, a luxury, and even uber takes fore-eeever at pesquiro.
It's just the vibe, and it is not for me, but it is for some people.
Leblon rich areas like dias ferreira not to mention olegario maciel has black faces too, but they tend to be richer or profile as successful actresses, better dressed, not wearing vasco the gama.
At Vagabundo,
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I ain't white and don't like the whites only vibe I pick up on in Leblon. Is Barra really like that north of posto 3?
Got a trip coming up and was planning on staying in Barra on an upcoming trip (probably posto 3-6 area). Pesqueiro was on my radar to take a regular girl of mine to splurge. Also wanted to stay in Barra for some solitude and beach relaxing.
If I've got to deal with a bunch of snooty glares it's not worth it.
Bearsi, I personally won't even consider someone still carry a student loan at your age. I don't know anyone after working a few years still owe student loan. If the student qualification is good, he or she can easily have a choice of the school he or she wants to go to with at least 50% scholarship. It the student does not choose to study a degree that can make money to pay off the loan, that decision making is questionable.
The female lawyer in my post. She went to a private college that gave her scholarship. While studying at school, she was making 6 K+ a month during summer internship. She won't own too much if she owed anything at all. Her brother is the same, but he chose to study a useless major. Then he saw his girlfriend and other people who studying computer science getting good job offers so he decided to take out a student loan to get a master degree in CS. He got a job offer one year before graduation. He did so because he knew he can pay off the loan easily by then. The irony is that he initially entered a prestige university to study CS to begin with but he switched major. I was also debt free when I graduated.
I know my regular family and friend circle is not the norm but you certainly can aim higher to avoid some financial issuesI am aiming for a girl with smarts and skills and mentality that will not only make her life better but also her partner's but those kind of girls get scooped up fast and also have a long line of guys out the door as well so easier said than done.
It's like a girl trying to find one of the forum members to settle down and not mess around.
Sounds simple but rather difficult.
Mr Enternational
09-25-23, 15:01
I am aiming for a girl with smarts and skills and mentality that will not only make her life better but also her partner's but those kind of girls get scooped up fast and also have a long line of guys out the door as well so easier said than done.Not at all. I have plenty of exes and friends with university degrees that fit this bill that have been single for years.
Not at all. I have plenty of exes and friends with university degrees that fit this bill that have been single for years.Ah yes.
I know who you are talking about.
It's usually high maintenance girls that look down on any man making less than her but if a guy makes more money than her she still wants total control and not be looked down on even though she would. These girls are so far up their own world that they don't understand men don't care how much money a girl makes.
Also there are the girls who don't want a BF or husband and like being alone.
More power to them.
Thought I'd circle back, FWIW, to the fav Brazilian iconic songs and "Mas Que Nada" convo, just for a brief second, to include, the unforgettable version by the trio called, Nossa, due in part to their very sexy dance music video rendition.
Nossa - Mas Que Nada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p7ToiJ5Q9o (Filmed in Portugal, but definitely has some Salvador, Bahia vibes)
IMHO they are three (3) hotties, that represent (to a certain degree) the type of Brazilian women (although French) that you come to think about when dancing and listening to this iconic song.
Definitely for me, the black girl is certainly the hottest of the three and totally representative of hot black Brazilian women...NOSSA!
Viva Brazil!
Mr Enternational
09-25-23, 22:13
I know who you are talking about.
It's usually high maintenance girls that look down on any man making less than her but if a guy makes more money than her she still wants total control and not be looked down on even though she would. These girls are so far up their own world that they don't understand men don't care how much money a girl makes.
Also there are the girls who don't want a BF or husband and like being alone.
More power to them.No the people I am talking about are normal down to earth women.
Explorer8939
09-26-23, 04:47
Looks like a nice resort for sure. The plan is get a SP girl to come with me to Rio, take her here for the first day then go to Buzio for 2 days and send her back home. As a new born carioca, I've seen the affect rio does to SP girls and it's so worth it.
I'll post my experience once I finish my trip and see how it goes.The problem remains with Security. The host has little or no control over them.
No the people I am talking about are normal down to earth women.That sounds like an oxymoron LOL.
But in all seriousness some gals like I mentioned don't want a partner and like the freedom of being single.
Some also have terrible personalities.
Some are 30+ and are competing with 20 somethings.
The list goes on.
A single woman in this day and age is definitely the sign of something off because a girl can fill up her calendar in under an hour.
Might not be the best of the best but it can be done.
The power of numbers really beats everything.
Brazil never stops to surprise. A couple was caught having oral sex in line at a butcher's shop, in a supermarket. "Provando a linguiça".
https://odia.ig.com.br/brasil/2023/09/6715833-casal-e-flagrado-por-camera-de-seguranca-fazendo-sexo-oral-em-acougue.html
VloneCarti
10-29-23, 23:31
Any recommendations for best latin American countries to go to p4 p for a complete travel newbie? I'm 22 and soon will be planning a trip abroad (hopefully next summer) to visit a Latin American country to p4 p and be able to lose my virginity. The problem is I don't really have any experience at all with traveling abroad. I've never traveled solo by myself to a foreign country before and have only traveled out of the country once to China when I was 16 but that was a school trip. Does anyone have any recommendations on where I can go to that would be great for a travel newbie like me? I think Colombia and Brazil might be out automatically cause I've heard they can be somewhat hard to navigate. I know a lot of people recommend Thailand but unfortunately I'm not attracted to Asian women and also really like thick women so wondering what options I have. One place I do want to go to is sosua but I'm not sure how newbie friendly it is.
Any recommendations for best latin American countries to go to p4 p for a complete travel newbie? I'm 22 and soon will be planning a trip abroad (hopefully next summer) to visit a Latin American country to p4 p and be able to lose my virginity. The problem is I don't really have any experience at all with traveling abroad. I've never traveled solo by myself to a foreign country before and have only traveled out of the country once to China when I was 16 but that was a school trip. Does anyone have any recommendations on where I can go to that would be great for a travel newbie like me? I think Colombia and Brazil might be out automatically cause I've heard they can be somewhat hard to navigate. I know a lot of people recommend Thailand but unfortunately I'm not attracted to Asian women and also really like thick women so wondering what options I have. One place I do want to go to is sosua but I'm not sure how newbie friendly it is.Consider it. San Jose and Jaco. Easy to get to. Super newbie friendly. I mean it's like spearing fish in a barrel. Point and click and fuck another hottie! Costa Rica. It's converted many a man into a monger. And from there, you can go on to bigger and better things young man. Costa Rica. A finishing school for mongers! Yes sir it is.
VloneCarti
10-30-23, 07:55
Consider it. San Jose and Jaco. Easy to get to. Super newbie friendly. I mean it's like spearing fish in a barrel. Point and click and fuck another hottie! Costa Rica. It's converted many a man into a monger. And from there, you can go on to bigger and better things young man. Costa Rica. A finishing school for mongers! Yes sir it is.Awesome thanks for the recommendation. I've been doing a little research into San Jose. Been hearing a lot about Sportsmens Lodge and Hotel Taormina. Yes I can't wait to start my monger journey have just been having trouble deciding where to start first haha.
Explorer8939
11-02-23, 04:05
What is the status of the proposed visa for Americans? Is there a firm date for the visa fee to be imposed?
What is the status of the proposed visa for Americans? Is there a firm date for the visa fee to be imposed?https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/consulado-miami/information-about-visas-in-english/vistor-visa-vivis
Explorer8939
11-04-23, 02:34
https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/consulado-miami/information-about-visas-in-english/vistor-visa-vivisJanuary 10 is the target date. No idea if it will stick.
"Additional information will be announced in due course. ".
In case anyone is interested. I emailed the consulate of Brazil here in L. A. I asked if I have a visa from before with an expiration date of 2026, will it still be good next year when the new visa rules go into effect. The answer was she believed the visa will still be good but to contact the consulate again in January in case something changes. I will contact again in January unless we find out something earlier.
In case anyone is interested. I emailed the consulate of Brazil here in L. A. I asked if I have a visa from before with an expiration date of 2026, will it still be good next year when the new visa rules go into effect. The answer was she believed the visa will still be good but to contact the consulate again in January in case something changes. I will contact again in January unless we find out something earlier.Thanks for this valuable confirmation, as it's what I've heard as well. I guess we'll see in January!
In case anyone is interested. I emailed the consulate of Brazil here in L. A. I asked if I have a visa from before with an expiration date of 2026, will it still be good next year when the new visa rules go into effect. The answer was she believed the visa will still be good but to contact the consulate again in January in case something changes. I will contact again in January unless we find out something earlier.I'm definitely interested. I have an existing visa that doesn't expire until late October 2026. I went to the consulate in NYC to get it and paid over $100 for it. I certainly hope they honor it for the full 10 year term. I hope to return to Brazil in the latter part of January 2024 and intend to use this visa to enter.
Consider it. San Jose and Jaco. Easy to get to. Super newbie friendly. I mean it's like spearing fish in a barrel. Point and click and fuck another hottie! Costa Rica. It's converted many a man into a monger. And from there, you can go on to bigger and better things young man. Costa Rica. A finishing school for mongers! Yes sir it is.How does Costa Rica compare today to 15 years ago when HDR was busy. That's how long it's been for me.
How does Costa Rica compare today to 15 years ago when HDR was busy. That's how long it's been for me.The Taormina Hotel has replaced the Hotel del Rey as ground zero for fucking in San Jose. In addition the beach town of Jaco, which wasn't a "thing" when I started going, is a must-do destination for mongering in Costa Rica. There are several hotels, bars, nightclubs and so forth there, with the Cocal Hotel being at the center of the action. So, Costa Rica definitely holds onto its "permanent monger member nation" status. Interested mongers should read the appropriate threads to obtain more detailed intel.
UniversalX
12-04-23, 09:07
What is the status of the proposed visa for Americans? Is there a firm date for the visa fee to be imposed?Miami.
https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/consulado-miami/information-about-visas-in-english/electronic-visitor-visa-e-visa
As of December 1st 2023,the platform will be up and running. The application process is done completely online and for such no facilitation is required by any intermediaries.
https://brazil.vfsevisa.com/
So we're supposed upload 30 days worth of bank statements for our eVisa? Not like that's a security risk or anything. I'm sure everything will be ok.
Mr Enternational
12-04-23, 16:28
So we're supposed upload 30 days worth of bank statements for our eVisa? Not like that's a security risk or anything. I'm sure everything will be ok.How is it a security risk for someone to see who you have paid? My statements are very short because I put everything on Amex the whole month and just pay it off at the end. Only thing I use a bank account for is to pay utilities, paypal credit, amazon credit, and amex. So my shit is only like half a page.
Miami.
https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/consulado-miami/information-about-visas-in-english/electronic-visitor-visa-e-visa
As of December 1st 2023,the platform will be up and running. The application process is done completely online and for such no facilitation is required by any intermediaries.
https://brazil.vfsevisa.com/This visa is a joke. If I can afford to fly to Brazil I have enough money to sustain myself and am not homeless. Showing my bank account is a joke. Reason why Brazil will always be third world.
Miami.
https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/consulado-miami/information-about-visas-in-english/electronic-visitor-visa-e-visa
As of December 1st 2023,the platform will be up and running. The application process is done completely online and for such no facilitation is required by any intermediaries.
https://brazil.vfsevisa.com/This visa is a joke. If I can afford to fly to Brazil I have enough money to sustain myself and am not homeless. Showing my bank account is a joke. Reason why Brazil will always be third world.
I'm definitely interested. I have an existing visa that doesn't expire until late October 2026. I went to the consulate in NYC to get it and paid over $100 for it. I certainly hope they honor it for the full 10 year term. I hope to return to Brazil in the latter part of January 2024 and intend to use this visa to enter.The link Mr E posted says physical visas still good.
Miami.
https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/consulado-miami/information-about-visas-in-english/electronic-visitor-visa-e-visa
As of December 1st 2023,the platform will be up and running. The application process is done completely online and for such no facilitation is required by any intermediaries.
https://brazil.vfsevisa.com/Thanks for posting the link. It confirms that if you have a valid physical visa in passport, you do not need to apply for the e-visa.
Vagabundo1
12-04-23, 22:50
I agree.
Broadly, on the topic of Brazilians being a joke and will always be a third world country. Most recently, I think this because it is so difficult to get fast internet in Brazil.
This visa is a joke. If I can afford to fly to Brazil I have enough money to sustain myself and am not homeless. Showing my bank account is a joke. Reason why Brazil will always be third world.
This visa is a joke. If I can afford to fly to Brazil I have enough money to sustain myself and am not homeless. Showing my bank account is a joke. Reason why Brazil will always be third world.They justify it by saying they're acting in a reciprocal way. The United States requires Brazilians to do all this stuff to get a visa. So now Brazil has requirements for Americans to enter Brazil. If we didn't require a visa for Brazilians, then based on reciprocity Brazil wouldn't require a visa for Americans. This is their reasoning.
They never asked for our bank statements before. You paid 100 bucks and it was good for ten years. Go back to that if they must. I don't want my banking info floating around those corrupt government workers. They might sell our info.
Vagabundo1
12-06-23, 17:21
Yep. Spot on.
They never asked for our bank statements before. You paid 100 bucks and it was good for ten years. Go back to that if they must. I don't want my banking info floating around those corrupt government workers. They might sell our info.
Thank god I'm European and have no visa problems when travelling to Brazil.
Mr Enternational
12-06-23, 20:43
They never asked for our bank statements before.Actually they did.
Vagabundo1
12-07-23, 15:01
Anyone have experience with starlink in Brazil?
Looks like 2000 r for the equipment, and 280 r / month for the service.
Thoughts?
Elon musk is like the uber monger, the x.com monger, the dude who could like land a starship on praia abrico and take off with girls for Texas and / or California for the new triangular trade.
Vagabundo1
12-07-23, 15:03
Anyone have experience with starlink in Brazil?
Looks like 2000 r for the equipment, and 280 r / month for the service.
Thoughts?
Elon musk is like the uber monger, the x.com monger, the dude who could like land a starship on praia abrico and take off with girls for Texas and / or California for the new triangular trade.
Actually they did.I hope I'm not losing my mind but I don't remember being asked for any bank statements last time I applied in 2016. Nor when I applied twice before back in 2000's.
UniversalX
12-08-23, 07:08
This visa is a joke. If I can afford to fly to Brazil I have enough money to sustain myself and am not homeless. Showing my bank account is a joke. Reason why Brazil will always be third world.The Miami Consulate Rep. Also indicated in that your Bank Statement must show that you have a Minimum of $2000.00 USD in the Checking account prior to application submission within the last 30 days.
(so, if you submit your application today your bank statement must have at least a Minimum of $2000.00 USD checking balance available within in the last 30 days.)
Some banks lag behind on producing timely statements so you may have to get your bank to prepare a statement certifying your bank balances especially if your statements are outside of the normal statement generation time.
Actually they did.I never sent a bank statement in my life. I mailed my passport to the closest place to me and 100 dollars. It was good to ten years. That visa has since expired, so any bank statements are fairly new not 2002 to 2012. BTW is this visa good for ten years.
I agree.
Broadly, on the topic of Brazilians being a joke and will always be a third world country. Most recently, I think this because it is so difficult to get fast internet in Brazil.I remember when the real became strong. 2 to 1 and eventually 1. 6 to 1. I was talking to this European and he said the good times are over. Brazil is now like London. I laughed. I said, don't you worry, they will figure out some way to screw up their economy and country and the real will crash again. I was right. They will always be a third world country, which is good for us since we can live like kings. This reciprocal thing is dumb, since they need our money more than the USA Needs theirs. As a matters of fact, They need all the richest countries to spend their money there. Forget this visa BS. Make Somalia get a visa not us.
This reciprocal thing is dumb, since they need our money more than the USA Needs theirs.IMO I applause Brazil for having reciprocal rules, no matter what country.
My kind of town (and Tony's too)!
https://youtu.be/duIIwfKZwBI?si=94-3_IkVmSJs_OO7
Mr Enternational
12-10-23, 02:15
This visa is a joke. Reason why Brazil will always be third world.Pretty much all countries are third world countries. Pretty much all countries will always be third world countries. What countries have gone from third world to not in the last 50 years? Maybe Singapore. What separates us from the rest of the world is credit. People in most countries have to pay cash to go to school, cash to build that house, cash to go on that holiday. All we have to do is sign on the line and pay later.
I am at my girlfriend's house in Recife. She wants me to take her out of the country. I told her that I do not have money for that. She told me to use that international card that I have. I said what is an international card? She was talking about my American Express that I use everywhere. She thinks I can just use it and take 12 months to pay. I said that has to be paid off every month. I do not put anything on it that I am not able to immediately pay. They think it is that easy. Yeah it may be easy to swipe, but it will not be easy to pay if you let your eyes overload your ass.
Pretty much all countries are third world countries. Pretty much all countries will always be third world countries. What countries have gone from third world to not in the last 50 years? Maybe Singapore. What separates us from the rest of the world is credit. People in most countries have to pay cash to go to school, cash to build that house, cash to go on that holiday. All we have to do is sign on the line and pay later.
I am at my girlfriend's house in Recife. She wants me to take her out of the country. I told her that I do not have money for that. She told me to use that international card that I have. I said what is an international card? She was talking about my American Express that I use everywhere. She thinks I can just use it and take 12 months to pay. I said that has to be paid off every month. I do not put anything on it that I am not able to immediately pay. They think it is that easy. Yeah it may be easy to swipe, but it will not be easy to pay if you let your eyes overload your ass.Many American Express cards offer Pay Over Time. I know mine does. I pay my balance off each month, but I don't have to if I don't want to:
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/credit-cards/american-express-pay-over-time/
UniversalX
12-10-23, 07:14
My kind of town (and Tony's too)!
https://youtu.be/duIIwfKZwBI?si=94-3_IkVmSJs_OO7Some damn good ole memories, especially the last food segment. RIP A.B.
Andalus Expat
12-10-23, 11:51
Pretty much all countries are third world countries. Pretty much all countries will always be third world countries. What countries have gone from third world to not in the last 50 years? Maybe Singapore. What separates us from the rest of the world is credit. People in most countries have to pay cash to go to school, cash to build that house, cash to go on that holiday. All we have to do is sign on the line and pay later.
I am at my girlfriend's house in Recife. She wants me to take her out of the country. I told her that I do not have money for that. She told me to use that international card that I have. I said what is an international card? She was talking about my American Express that I use everywhere. She thinks I can just use it and take 12 months to pay. I said that has to be paid off every month. I do not put anything on it that I am not able to immediately pay. They think it is that easy. Yeah it may be easy to swipe, but it will not be easy to pay if you let your eyes overload your ass.She doesn't understand it because she doesn't understand what the card represents. You're right. Its access to credit. Most importantly affordable credit. Although with credit card unpaid balance rates being what they are, not that affordable. Personally haven't used one for years. In these days of easy management & transferability of money, they're really the province of the poor. If you need that sort of credit you can't afford it.
Which is really the story of these countries. You're wrong. Of course they have credit. But ask your girlfriend how much it would cost her to borrow 1000 Rls for a week. She'd probably be paying 10% with alarming personal consequences for late payment or default. It's not credit they lack, it's trust. We live in high trust societies. We can be confident that any agreement we enter into will be honoured by the other parties. We have legal systems that enforce this. That is what they lack. The confidence that other people will perform what they promise. And that has a cost.
It's the difference from where I come from. London UK. Although the same would be true in Germany, Holland, Belgium, the Nordics. I could be reasonably confident that what I was promised would transpire. Dictum meum pactum. My word is my bond. Where I live now, Spain, not nearly so much. It's not in the culture. You're never quite sure whether results will meet expectations. That makes for lower economic efficiency. So Spain, by its own efforts, will never be as wealthy as the north & why until recently it was poor. The Spanish have / had to learn to be trustworthy. For Brasil, multiply that tenfold.
Mr Enternational
12-10-23, 12:12
Many American Express cards offer Pay Over Time. I know mine does. I pay my balance off each month, but I don't have to if I don't want to:
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/credit-cards/american-express-pay-over-time/Mine too, but I am not a paying interest kind of guy. By paying no interest and collecting points, I actually make money by using the card.
Pretty much all countries are third world countries. Pretty much all countries will always be third world countries. What countries have gone from third world to not in the last 50 years? Maybe Singapore. What separates us from the rest of the world is credit. People in most countries have to pay cash to go to school, cash to build that house, cash to go on that holiday. All we have to do is sign on the line and pay later.
I am at my girlfriend's house in Recife. She wants me to take her out of the country. I told her that I do not have money for that. She told me to use that international card that I have. I said what is an international card? She was talking about my American Express that I use everywhere. She thinks I can just use it and take 12 months to pay. I said that has to be paid off every month. I do not put anything on it that I am not able to immediately pay. They think it is that easy. Yeah it may be easy to swipe, but it will not be easy to pay if you let your eyes overload your ass.Why is there no credit to buy a house.
WanderingMan
12-11-23, 04:31
I am reading information on potential countries to visit. Two friends and I just returned from Thailand, Bangkok and Pattaya. I suppose Asian girls aren't so much a thing for any of us. Money went a long way, but we did it and don't want to do it again. 36 hours of travel to and from Thailand combined with time differences proves painful.
One of my friends is extremely fond of anal sex and someone mentioned Brazil is the place to visit. After reading the forum many things made sense, but some still presented questions. Many use the term "prive" in the forum. Is that similar to a massage parlor? I know members indicated you go there, view the potential selections, select one, and then complete the deed. Also, is it accurate to say there are very few girl friendly locations to rent, hotels or airbnb? It seems many discuss not being able to take a girl back to the hotel / airbnb. That would make getting escorts difficult, would it not? I have a basic understanding of the Termas.
We are familiar with the theme of going to clubs and finding "semi-pros" as many girls do this in other countries; however, we are past the age we want to hear blaring music.
I appreciate all the warnings on avoiding he street girls due to set ups and muggings as well as avoiding Vila Mimosa. My friend is rather cheap and likely would have visited there.
On the board, several members discussed how San Paolo wasn't worth the extra expense. Apparently the hobby costs more there.
Thanks.
Mine too, but I am not a paying interest kind of guy. By paying no interest and collecting points, I actually make money by using the card.Hear, hear! America is a home of free, moneymaking short-term loans if you play your cards right (pun intended).
I am reading information on potential countries to visit. Two friends and I just returned from Thailand, Bangkok and Pattaya. I suppose Asian girls aren't so much a thing for any of us. Money went a long way, but we did it and don't want to do it again. 36 hours of travel to and from Thailand combined with time differences proves painful.
One of my friends is extremely fond of anal sex and someone mentioned Brazil is the place to visit. After reading the forum many things made sense, but some still presented questions. Many use the term "prive" in the forum. Is that similar to a massage parlor? I know members indicated you go there, view the potential selections, select one, and then complete the deed. Also, is it accurate to say there are very few girl friendly locations to rent, hotels or airbnb? It seems many discuss not being able to take a girl back to the hotel / airbnb. That would make getting escorts difficult, would it not? I have a basic understanding of the Termas.
We are familiar with the theme of going to clubs and finding "semi-pros" as many girls do this in other countries; however, we are past the age we want to hear blaring music.
I appreciate all the warnings on avoiding he street girls due to set ups and muggings as well as avoiding Vila Mimosa. My friend is rather cheap and likely would have visited there.
On the board, several members discussed how San Paolo wasn't worth the extra expense. Apparently the hobby costs more there.
Thanks.1. Your "friend" would do well in Rio and Brazil in general, LOL. Anal sex is cheap and plentiful.
2. You correctly understand the concept of prives.
3. It is possible to bring girls back to hotels and airbnbs. Just do your research.
4. Vila Mimosa is not dangerous, it's simply unpleasant. Besides, the prices, minute by minute, are not that much lower than in other venues.
5. I would argue that Sao Paulo is worth the extra expense if you're after those elusive 9's and 10's, but Rio has a lot more joys to offer in addition to carnal pleasure.
Mr Enternational
12-11-23, 13:11
Why is there no credit to buy a house.There is. But first you have to qualify for the loan. You think most people in 3rd world countries are able to do that? Trippy article in Thailand that I was reading the other day about a guy going to loansharks. Even the cops told him to go on the run.
"In just eight months since August 2023, he has had 37 creditors and was able to pay off eight, leaving him with 29. He has already paid over 3 million baht in interest.
Chai confessed that he has exhausted all sources of borrowing, including friends, relatives, and even his children. He has had to flee his creditors three times after they threatened to kill him and surrounded his company. Local police advised him to relocate as the group of creditors was influential, had numerous associates, and did not fear local law enforcement. ".
https://aseannow.com/topic/1313844-loan-sharks-circle-in-65-year-old-business-owner-seeks-refuge-in-chon-buri/#comment-18540944
Vagabundo1
12-11-23, 16:08
This is so well said that it is almost poetry. It is why this member has the most posts of any member. Those who are trying to be hunter biden s living beyond your means should take this post to heart. This belongs in reports of distinction just for the financial wisdom.
Pretty much all countries are third world countries. Pretty much all countries will always be third world countries. What countries have gone from third world to not in the last 50 years? Maybe Singapore. What separates us from the rest of the world is credit. People in most countries have to pay cash to go to school, cash to build that house, cash to go on that holiday. All we have to do is sign on the line and pay later.
I am at my girlfriend's house in Recife. She wants me to take her out of the country. I told her that I do not have money for that. She told me to use that international card that I have. I said what is an international card? She was talking about my American Express that I use everywhere. She thinks I can just use it and take 12 months to pay. I said that has to be paid off every month. I do not put anything on it that I am not able to immediately pay. They think it is that easy. Yeah it may be easy to swipe, but it will not be easy to pay if you let your eyes overload your ass.
WanderingMan
12-11-23, 17:11
1. Your "friend" would do well in Rio and Brazil in general, LOL. Anal sex is cheap and plentiful.
2. You correctly understand the concept of prives.
3. It is possible to bring girls back to hotels and airbnbs. Just do your research.
4. Vila Mimosa is not dangerous, it's simply unpleasant. Besides, the prices, minute by minute, are not that much lower than in other venues.
5. I would argue that Sao Paulo is worth the extra expense if you're after those elusive 9's and 10's, but Rio has a lot more joys to offer in addition to carnal pleasure.Thanks for the information. In this case the "friend" is really a friend, LOL. The only issue I see for us in Rio is that we all like the thinner women. In videos posted at night on youtube, it appears as though the majority are on the larger side of sizing.
At my age, I like doing things other than partaking in carnal pleasures. In Thailand we visited shrines, even a huge wooden one. I also visited the botanical gardens in Pattaya. The fireworks were good there as well, but we just happened to be there during the international fireworks festival. Half a million people on Pattaya beach. I do enjoy beaches, particularly those with good sand and attractive women. With the non-carnal things in mind, it seems Rio offers more choices.
I am looking on airbnb and looking for guest friendly places. Thank you for your help.
My kind of town (and Tony's too)!
https://youtu.be/duIIwfKZwBI?si=94-3_IkVmSJs_OO7
That was a good episode on Carioca food and culture...THANKS!
Glad to see they're allowing beach barracas, to cook food on the beach again (if true). Those were some of my fav. memories of life on Brazilian beaches, especially in Rio, Recife, Manaus and Fortaleza. Dining at the beach with an awesome seafood platter (or a large peixe frita) with a healthy scoop of batata fritas, salada and a cold cerveja, was sublime. All the while checking out the dental-floss bikini clad girls and their fantastic bronze bodies. Man, for me, those were cool days, on Rio Beaches, especially days other than the sometimes all too busy Sunday or holiday days at the beach.
But who can forget those, Sunday evenings along Copa, sitting, eating and drinking, at one of those beach front restaurants (Av. Atlantica), that would offer a Pedaos Rodizio (sp??) "small all-you-can-eat food/pizza" (R$25-35) style menus, for Sunday evenings only, was something to behold.
Naturally, finishing off the evening, by walking off the food, with a nice (15-25-min) stroll up or down Av. Atlantica, watching the street vendors/hustlers and kids playing, on your way to "Helpee" to checkout the talent. Now those were some memorable Sunday evenings.
PS: Although, Feijoada is the national dish, I never have been a big fan of the dish. https://www.foodandwine.com/recipes/feijoada
There is. But first you have to qualify for the loan. You think most people in 3rd world countries are able to do that? ...Their interest rate is way too high even if one is approved.
In researching this there are a couple of things I did not like:
You are restricted to 90 days in country per year instead of the current 180.
The list of documents required includes, photos, passport, bank account, proof of income etc.
It is still tied to your passport. So if your passport expires in one year the Brazil visa expires in one year and you have to reapply.
WanderingMan
12-13-23, 16:15
In researching this there are a couple of things I did not like:
You are restricted to 90 days in country per year instead of the current 180.
The list of documents required includes, photos, passport, bank account, proof of income etc.
It is still tied to your passport. So if your passport expires in one year the Brazil visa expires in one year and you have to reapply.People have been debating this bank statement issue, so I went to the official website concerning the Visa applications. Number six talks about the bank statement for the last 30 days showing a balance of at least $2000. That's not a significant amount for travel in a foreign country, but I don't want the Brazilian government in my financial affairs. Oh well, back to the drawing board to find another country.
Mr Enternational
12-13-23, 21:05
In researching this there are a couple of things I did not like:
You are restricted to 90 days in country per year instead of the current 180.
It is still tied to your passport. So if your passport expires in one year the Brazil visa expires in one year and you have to reapply.Where did you see that? Traditionally it has been that you are able to be in the country 180 days per year, but only allowed up to 90 days for each stay. It has usually been that if your passport with the visa expires, then you just travel with your new passport and the old with the visa in it.
Where did you see that? Traditionally it has been that you are able to be in the country 180 days per year, but only allowed up to 90 days for each stay. It has usually been that if your passport with the visa expires, then you just travel with your new passport and the old with the visa in it.And I have yet to see anything to contradict what you have said here.
Dcrist0527
12-14-23, 13:54
Number six talks about the bank statement for the last 30 days showing a balance of at least $2000. That's not a significant amount for travel in a foreign country, but I don't want the Brazilian government in my financial affairs. Oh well, back to the drawing board to find another country.I'll go one step further. What happens to this data? I'm no conspiracy theorist. But I'm not a fan of publicizing bank statements and balances. I don't argue it's a legitimate ask for Brazil. But if those get in the wrong hands, that makes a pretty nice hitlist. Talk about making extortion of a foreigner easy. On one hand, that sounds far fetched. But that's putting alot of blind faith in data security.
I, for one, am seriously thinking of passing on Brazil based on this requirement. Very disappointing. But I also don't blame them due to the lack of reciprocity.
Forgive the slight deviation to politics. But how sad is it that the US puts visitors through the ringer yet allows other migration unabated.
Mr Enternational
12-14-23, 15:46
I'll go one step further. What happens to this data? I'm no conspiracy theorist. But I'm not a fan of publicizing bank statements and balances. I don't argue it's a legitimate ask for Brazil. But if those get in the wrong hands, that makes a pretty nice hitlist. Talk about making extortion of a foreigner easy. On one hand, that sounds far fetched. Sounds very far-fetched. How is someone going to extort you by knowing you pay $30 for your electric bill on the 12th of every month? Maybe you guys have something on your bank statements that I do not that is making you paranoid. Here is a screenshot of mine. Guess I will be going on a hitlist now.
Sounds very far-fetched. How is someone going to extort you by knowing you pay $30 for your electric bill on the 12th of every month? Maybe you guys have something on your bank statements that I do not that is making you paranoid. Here is a screenshot of mine. Guess I will be going on a hitlist now.I have multiple bank accounts. One holds my "travel fund". That's the one I will use when the time comes for me to apply for the visa. It doesn't show a lot of movement in and out, but rather a pretty steady holding to moderately growing balance over time with plenty of money in there to meet their requirements. That will be good enough, and not concerned about extortion and blackmail and all that stuff. Like you say that's pretty far-fetched.
Vagabundo1
12-15-23, 12:25
Still, BRIICS+ are not on the side of countries that are funding and sending weapons to whack russkis. And soon?
Sounds very far-fetched. How is someone going to extort you by knowing you pay $30 for your electric bill on the 12th of every month? Maybe you guys have something on your bank statements that I do not that is making you paranoid. Here is a screenshot of mine. Guess I will be going on a hitlist now.
Dcrist0527
12-15-23, 21:24
Sounds very far-fetched. How is someone going to extort you by knowing you pay $30 for your electric bill on the 12th of every month? Maybe you guys have something on your bank statements that I do not that is making you paranoid. Here is a screenshot of mine. Guess I will be going on a hitlist now.I'm not sure what you find far fetched. Is it common? No. But are you saying it's far fetched that a cartel in Mexico couldn't pay someone in Migration pennies to divert information? (I know we're talking Brazil but I think it's almost same scenario) I'm not thinking only about account activity but more about account balances. Addresses. I suppose we can limit what is shown, at least to an extent. But that's a hassle, especially when I'm already paying them $80. Am I overboard? Maybe. But I don't think it's far fetched to say this can be exploited. Especially when you consider gringo mongers are already targeted. But, as I've said before, we all have our own risk profiles. Many would say things I've done or areas I frequent is foolish. So to each their own.
People have been debating this bank statement issue, so I went to the official website concerning the Visa applications. Number six talks about the bank statement for the last 30 days showing a balance of at least $2000. That's not a significant amount for travel in a foreign country, but I don't want the Brazilian government in my financial affairs. Oh well, back to the drawing board to find another country.It says printed copy of bank statement showing $2,000 for travel. What will they check it when you enter Brazil at passport control? Shit I'll have more than that in my pocket, should I show them the cash? My business class ticket costs more than that, what am I going to Rio to live on the streets, how stupid.
It’s still all not that bad, I remember in the 80’s they only gave out visas good for 90 days so several times a year you had to go to the Brazilian consulate in New York with a money order and get a new visa what a pain this was but it was worth it lol. So the requirements now are nothing and if I have to show some passport clerk my balance it’s a non issue. Past couple of years was great with no visa needed then they had 10 year visas and now getting an electronic one again is no big deal. This is because of Lula, they need money I guess maybe he can open up Help again.
Brazilian musical pioneer passes:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/joao-gilberto-bossa-nova-pioneer-obituary-856164/amp/
In researching this there are a couple of things I did not like:
You are restricted to 90 days in country per year instead of the current 180.
The list of documents required includes, photos, passport, bank account, proof of income etc.
It is still tied to your passport. So if your passport expires in one year the Brazil visa expires in one year and you have to reapply.I'm a trader now, how do I show proof of income. Do I need to give them my 1040. I don't get it. This is ridiculous. Is the visa at least good for 10 years like before?
People have been debating this bank statement issue, so I went to the official website concerning the Visa applications. Number six talks about the bank statement for the last 30 days showing a balance of at least $2000. That's not a significant amount for travel in a foreign country, but I don't want the Brazilian government in my financial affairs. Oh well, back to the drawing board to find another country.I read the 6 things from your link and it doesn't say proof of income. Just proof of 2 k. I hope that's the case.
Sounds very far-fetched. How is someone going to extort you by knowing you pay $30 for your electric bill on the 12th of every month? Maybe you guys have something on your bank statements that I do not that is making you paranoid. Here is a screenshot of mine. Guess I will be going on a hitlist now.Mr E, you are being pretty naive. It's the possibility that you can be extorted for anything. They know your name and banking info. If you are cheating on your wife they can call her. Didn't a guy in Colombia just get murdered over a measly 2 k. I would rather them not have my banking info on file. Let me show them the 2 k on my phone when I arrive.
You can set up a wise account and add 2 K in there for a Charles Schwab account and just add 2 K in there.
People have been debating this bank statement issue, so I went to the official website concerning the Visa applications. Number six talks about the bank statement for the last 30 days showing a balance of at least $2000. That's not a significant amount for travel in a foreign country, but I don't want the Brazilian government in my financial affairs. Oh well, back to the drawing board to find another country.
Mr Enternational
12-20-23, 13:14
I'm not sure what you find far fetched. Is it common? No. But are you saying it's far fetched that a cartel in Mexico couldn't pay someone in Migration pennies to divert information? (I know we're talking Brazil but I think it's almost same scenario) I'm not thinking only about account activity but more about account balances. Addresses..I am saying that if you have ever been to Brazil, they already have your name, address, passport number, picture. But you guys are in an uproar because you also have to show them that you paid your light bill last week. If they have not already gotten you from the info they already have then they most certainly are not coming to kidnap you because they now know that you paid some bills.
It is the same as people being in an uproar because someone is taking their picture to get on the plane or back into the country. 10,000 other cameras in the airport that have already seen you and they already have the picture from your passport, yet because someone takes an active picture at this moment, you think you are doomed.
Funny thing is that when you put your ATM card in the machine in Brazil, the receipt comes back with the money you have in your account. Nobody is in an uproar that the bank in Brazil has that information and the cartel in Mexico could pay someone at the bank pennies to divert information. If they are going to get you then they are going to get you, and it won't be on the basis that you sent a piece of paper to the Brazilian consulate. Nobody makes a stink when they buy a house or rent an apartment or buy a car and have to show the same information.
Elvis 2008
12-20-23, 15:43
Mr E, you are being pretty naive. It's the possibility that you can be extorted for anything. They know your name and banking info. If you are cheating on your wife they can call her. Didn't a guy in Colombia just get murdered over a measly 2 k. I would rather them not have my banking info on file. Let me show them the 2 k on my phone when I arrive.Tijuana, you are at the mercy of the Brazilian government when you are there. They can throw you in jail or kill you when you are there. The issue is why would they?
Mexico does the same thing with Colombians but it is not just official. They only want people coming in who can spend money.
If you are worried about Brazil, open up an account, put in 2 k, get into the country, and withdraw money from the account once you clear customs.
Tijuana, you are at the mercy of the Brazilian government when you are there. They can throw you in jail or kill you when you are there. The issue is why would they?
Mexico does the same thing with Colombians but it is not just official. They only want people coming in who can spend money.
If you are worried about Brazil, open up an account, put in 2 k, get into the country, and withdraw money from the account once you clear customs.I would rather show them my money when I get there. That's all I'm saying. Having a chick that makes 15 dollars a day that could be compromised doesn't sit well with me.
I am saying that if you have ever been to Brazil, they already have your name, address.....They can learn about simply by your address, zip code or city. They don't need bank statement to know if someone is wealthy or not.
Mr Enternational
12-21-23, 13:38
They can learn about simply by your address, zip code or city. They don't need bank statement to know if someone is wealthy or not.Exactly. And the cartel is not going around kidnapping or extorting people they already know have money because they already see it is a fancy neighborhood, but people here think they will be kidnapped because they sent in a paper. Go figure.
I travel all over Brazil and buy a lot of domestic flights in Brazil. Mostly with Latam or GOL as they usually have the cheapest tickets. Sometimes their sites works really bad. Furthermore it's hard to manage to buy tickets showing the price in reais. When changing to another currency the price becomes way more expensive.
Today I chose to buy a ticket with Azul on a route where Azul was less than half the price of Latam. I was really impressed how smoothly the Azul site worked when buying a ticket in foreign currency. Also, the price in foreign currency didn't become more expensive that the price in reais.
Mr Enternational
12-21-23, 16:39
I travel all over Brazil and buy a lot of domestic flights in Brazil. Mostly with Latam or GOL as they usually have the cheapest tickets. Sometimes their sites works really bad. Furthermore it's hard to manage to buy tickets showing the price in reais. When changing to another currency the price becomes way more expensive.
Today I chose to buy a ticket with Azul on a route where Azul was less than half the price of Latam. I was really impressed how smoothly the Azul site worked when buying a ticket in foreign currency. Also, the price in foreign currency didn't become more expensive that the price in reais.Have you tried using a VPN? The Azul app on my phone is always in Portuguese and showing reais no matter where I am or whether my VPN is set to Brazil or not.
Have you tried using a VPN? The Azul app on my phone is always in Portuguese and showing reais no matter where I am or whether my VPN is set to Brazil or not.I've no problem showing the prices in reais. The problems I had were with the Latam and Gol sites. They didn't allow to buy a ticket one the brazilian site as a foreigner using a foreign credit card.
Explorer8939
12-22-23, 05:42
I will be coming into Brazil for 2 months. Will I have to show proof of onward travel at Immigration?
I would prefer to decide my onward destination later on.
What is the reason for the visa beyond a passport? I've reviewed the website and application process. It appears to be basically the same information that is already on a passport. I'm not crazy about the bank statement thing either. Since it takes a substantial amount of money to fly to Brazil and stay for a vacation etc. , it makes very little sense to me. Obviously its a revenue generator is that it? The website says it takes 5 days to get the Evisa can someone confirm if that is accurate? Apparently you can't apply for the visa until you actually have the flight booked.
Mr Enternational
12-22-23, 17:57
What is the reason for the visa beyond a passport? I've reviewed the website and application process.It is only that if a country makes their citizens do it, then they make the citizens of that country do it.
What is the reason for the visa beyond a passport?It's a FU to the USA because the USA requires Brazilians to get a visa. EU doesn't require Brazilians to get a visa so Brazil allows EU passport holders to travel to Brazil without a visa.
It's a FU to the USA because the USA requires Brazilians to get a visa. EU doesn't require Brazilians to get a visa so Brazil allows EU passport holders to travel to Brazil without a visa.It couldn't be more fair.
Viva Lula!
Mr Enternational
12-22-23, 23:56
I will be coming into Brazil for 2 months. Will I have to show proof of onward travel at Immigration?
I would prefer to decide my onward destination later on.No. You get 90 days.
This Visa requirement has been there since forever. It only paused during the pandemic but other than that it's nothing new. It's not that bad. Cheaper than scandalo.
It couldn't be more fair.
Viva Lula!Just wait for your turn.
https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias_en
Vagabundo1
12-27-23, 08:52
Anyone else notice how these low bandwidth monkeys steal from each other? It is the jungle.
Dcrist0527
12-27-23, 17:57
I am saying that if you have ever been to Brazil, they already have your name, address, passport number, picture. But you guys are in an uproar because you also have to show them that you paid your light bill last week. If they have not already gotten you from the info they already have then they most certainly are not coming to kidnap you because they now know that you paid some bills.
It is the same as people being in an uproar because someone is taking their picture to get on the plane or back into the country. 10,000 other cameras in the airport that have already seen you and they already have the picture from your passport, yet because someone takes an active picture at this moment, you think you are doomed.
Funny thing is that when you put your ATM card in the machine in Brazil, the receipt comes back with the money you have in your account. Nobody is in an uproar that the bank in Brazil has that information and the cartel in Mexico could pay someone at the bank pennies to divert information. If they are going to get you then they are going to get you, and it won't be on the basis that you sent a piece of paper to the Brazilian consulate. Nobody makes a stink when they buy a house or rent an apartment or buy a car and have to show the same information.No one cares how much you pay for electricity. But if you think immigration employees are above corruption, a 2 second google search can show you what can happen. So what is the risk? At a minimum, you are handing over balances, account numbers and routing numbers. And the comparison to an ATM receipt is ludicrous. There is no employee handling that balance information. Nor does a Brazilian bank have that information or any of their employees.
I can only speak for myself. But the bank statement issue isn't about avoiding any trace of a trip to Brazil. Of course there is a record of that. Others have talked about addresses. I can tell you I don't submit my addresses. But someone suggested that address can indicate one's wealth. In the end, it comes down to how much you want to hand over. Handing my financial information, with names, addresses, account numbers, balances, etc. , is a step too far for me. As I said, the level of corruption should not be a surprise to any seasoned traveler.
Am I overly cautious? Perhaps. But I'm not a guy that sits in my hotel room to avoid the next moto-bandit holding me a knife point. So I don't feel I'm being crazy here. But I'm not interested in turning over a fair amount of personal info to people that can be easily bought and paid for. (And historically have been bought and paid for) I do think the suggestion of an extra account is reasonable. Maybe I'm just lazy but if Brazil wants to make me jump through hoops like that, there are many other countries that will gladly take my $2,000+ without the hassle.
Mr Enternational
12-27-23, 20:18
No one cares how much you pay for electricity. But if you think immigration employees are above corruption, a 2 second google search can show you what can happen. I see why you are worried. You do not even know who you are supposed to be sending it to.
Dcrist0527
12-28-23, 01:18
I see why you are worried. You do not even know who you are supposed to be sending it to.Good to know someone that knows every intricacy and bureaucracy of Brazilian immigration. And be able to vouch for their scruples. Pardon me if I'm a little more skeptical with my own personal information. As I always say, to each their own. I'm not donating $80 to Lula for the honor of giving them my information that isn't needed. Send him your $80; I'll spend mine on 3 hours with a paisa.
For the record, I don't begrudge Brazil due to the lack of reciprocity. But I'm also unwilling to pay for the hassle and the risk.
UniversalX
12-28-23, 06:26
Am I overly cautious?https://www.travelersunited.org/a-cautionary-tale-of-brazils-new-e-visa-and-its-alarming-identity-theft-problem/
As long as you are a gringo, you will get robbed in Brazil. They do not discriminate on how big of your bank account or how small it is.
https://www.travelersunited.org/a-cautionary-tale-of-brazils-new-e-visa-and-its-alarming-identity-theft-problem/
As long as you are a gringo, you will get robbed in Brazil. They do not discriminate on how big of your bank account or how small it is.I don't have a problem with Brazil using the visa as a money grab, but the fact I need to send them my bank info too because they think Americans are going there to become homeless is laughable. Homeless people get everything in America, first class healthcare in the ER, food stamps, food banks. I've been to Brazil so many times and only see Brazilian homeless, not American homeless. Unfortunately, I paid for my flight and hotel 6 months ago, so I don't think I can get a refund. Bottom line is this government proves time and time again how incompetent and dumb they are and always will be. Brazilians have to have a visa to come here because they are known for overstaying their visa like the Philippines. I guarantee they will see a drop in tourism with this and eventually get rid of some of these requirements.
Here is a great article on different Brazilian scams.
https://oliveiralawyers.com/services/others/avoiding-scam-brazil/
Mr Enternational
12-28-23, 12:52
Good to know someone that knows every intricacy and bureaucracy of Brazilian immigration. And be able to vouch for their scruples.It is the embassy or consulate, not immigration. They are forcing nobody to go, but I am sure they appreciate the grand announcements of why individuals are choosing not to. I am sure the country will miss those individuals.
https://www.travelersunited.org/a-cautionary-tale-of-brazils-new-e-visa-and-its-alarming-identity-theft-problem/I really find the level of paranoia around this to be astounding. Go to Thailand then people. All you were going to do is contribute to "price creep" anyway.
Dcrist0527
12-28-23, 15:30
https://www.travelersunited.org/a-cautionary-tale-of-brazils-new-e-visa-and-its-alarming-identity-theft-problem/Thanks for sharing. Highlights many of my concerns.
The lunacy of it all: what does Brazil gain by validating $2,000 "for travel"? There's no legitimate assurance they receive. Having $2,000 in an account at a point in time? Wtf does that mean? LOL The whole visa requirement is punitive. That's not to say it's not deserved retribution! But making me pay to jump through hoops and assuming the risk of someone making $200 USD a month being bribed is "far fetched"? No thanks.
Mr Enternational
12-28-23, 17:39
Here is a great article on different Brazilian scams.
https://oliveiralawyers.com/services/others/avoiding-scam-brazil/They wrote all that to say that? I could have said it in one line. Keep your money in your pocket and you will not be scammed.
Dcrist0527
12-28-23, 19:14
I don't have a problem with Brazil using the visa as a money grab, but the fact I need to send them my bank info too because they think Americans are going there to become homeless is laughable. Homeless people get everything in America, first class healthcare in the ER, food stamps, food banks. I've been to Brazil so many times and only see Brazilian homeless, not American homeless. Unfortunately, I paid for my flight and hotel 6 months ago, so I don't think I can get a refund. Bottom line is this government proves time and time again how incompetent and dumb they are and always will be. Brazilians have to have a visa to come here because they are known for overstaying their visa like the Philippines. I guarantee they will see a drop in tourism with this and eventually get rid of some of these requirements.Exactly! Why do they need to see $2,000? What purpose does it serve? Most people traveling from the US exceed that in airfare and lodging alone. A return flight confirmation makes perfect sense. But there is no real need for bank statements.
Dcrist0527
12-28-23, 19:24
It is the embassy or consulate, not immigration. They are forcing nobody to go, but I am sure they appreciate the grand announcements of why individuals are choosing not to. I am sure the country will miss those individuals.What? The embassy? Which embassy? It's electronic. It goes to some Brazilian bureacracy. I dare say the Brazillian embassy in Miami or New York is not involved.
Do you really believe that those documents would not be available to the immigration officer that actually admits you into Brazil? It would be even more ludicrous if they didn't have access to it. The truth is neither you nor I know how many hands those documents will pass through. To think it goes into some data fort knox in an embassy somewhere is just naive.
I mean no offense to you. And I'm done with this issue. I, like many others, sadly, will take our money elsewhere. So if that helps reset a market, good for the mongers. Nor do I blame anyone for getting the visa. My intent was just to call attention to the risk. If someone doesn't believe there is a risk here, they are just uninformed.
Dcrist0527
12-28-23, 19:28
I really find the level of paranoia around this to be astounding. Go to Thailand then people. All you were going to do is contribute to "price creep" anyway.I truly hope you are right. But consider that petty crime is a constant in Brazil and other countries. They'll steal an iPhone and get $50. But yet we should blindly trust that our information, worth far more than $50, well, that's untouchable. As I said, I hope you are right.
Something strange happened with GOL. I was able to buy a ticket using my US credit card the first time I tried. I had problems in the past like the price kept going up while I was filling out form or some other issues that I forgot now.
I got a price for Brazil Airpass. Brazil Airpass maybe cheaper if you buy flight for next week but it's not cheaper if you buy your own domestic flights several weeks before.
Vagabundo1
12-29-23, 01:31
Can You redact / black out your account number and other sensitive data?
I don't have a problem with Brazil using the visa as a money grab, but the fact I need to send them my bank info too because they think Americans are going there to become homeless is laughable. Homeless people get everything in America, first class healthcare in the ER, food stamps, food banks. I've been to Brazil so many times and only see Brazilian homeless, not American homeless. Unfortunately, I paid for my flight and hotel 6 months ago, so I don't think I can get a refund. Bottom line is this government proves time and time again how incompetent and dumb they are and always will be. Brazilians have to have a visa to come here because they are known for overstaying their visa like the Philippines. I guarantee they will see a drop in tourism with this and eventually get rid of some of these requirements.
I, like many others, sadly, will take our money elsewhere. So if that helps reset a market, good for the mongers.Nobody is forcing you to go to Brazil. Embratur won't miss you. Less gringos is always good news from a mongers point of view.
What? The embassy? Which embassy? It's electronic. It goes to some Brazilian bureacracy. I dare say the Brazillian embassy in Miami or New York is not involved.The Brazilian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, of which its embassies and consulates are a part, is and will remain responsible for the visa process. You really should educate yourself on how things work before declaring that one's security will be unduly put at risk because of the announced requirements to get a Brazilian e-visa. You proclaim the danger without even understanding the machinations of the process! Best for you to just go somewhere else since your repeated warnings aren't making any inroads here with seasoned world travelers who have had to manage visa requirements for various countries many, many, many times before. I do believe you protest too much.
Photoacompantes fakes?
I am thinking of visiting Brazil and was wondering how big of a problem fakes are on Photocompantes?
...Do you really believe that those documents would not be available to the immigration officer that actually admits you into Brazil? It would be even more ludicrous if they didn't have access to it. ....I think you overthink it in this case. They already approved your visa, why would they need this outdated bank statement.
The new president in Colombia is doing the same thing. The presidents of both countries have the same political leaning. They don't need any reason to do what they want to do. If they are in the same position as US, they would behave the same. US citizens are already lucky when compared to some other countries. The requirements for some other countries are even more stringent that one has to provide employment and must apply in person.
Dcrist0527
12-29-23, 18:19
I think you overthink it in this case. They already approved your visa, why would they need this outdated bank statement.
The new president in Colombia is doing the same thing. The presidents of both countries have the same political leaning. They don't need any reason to do what they want to do. If they are in the same position as US, they would behave the same. US citizens are already lucky when compared to some other countries. The requirements for some other countries are even more stringent that one has to provide employment and must apply in person.I agree with all of your points. And you're correct, the Visa would already be approved. With my data at a minimum stored somewhere, and likely a click away from thousands of government officials.
Yes, I'm overthinking this. And talking about it far more than I want. LOL But this type of theft happens in the US. CBP officials have been bought off by cartels. US bank employees have been bought off by cartels and other organized crime syndicates. So no, I do not believe Brazil officials are less susceptible. As I said earlier, your personal information is far more valuable to the criminals than an iPhone. So be it data security or extortion, I don't see it as far fetched. I don't fault anyone for taking that risk. In a perverted way, there is safety in numbers. The more bank statements, the less chance your number is chosen.
As for why they do it, you are correct. Their land, their rules. I do think Colombia has a slightly better political relationship with the US. But, yes, both leaders are unabashed communists with similar interests. But I do not complain about the visa requirement. It's simply the bank statement. That said, I'm not convinced this is a net positive revenue decision. I've canceled my plans to visit Brazil in a couple months. I am not even a drop in the bucket. But I'd have probably infused $3,000+ into the economy, between lodging, food, drinks and chicas. (Yes, chicas count. LOL) That's a $2,900 loss. That means Lula needs 36 visas to make up for one cancellation. Who knows; maybe the cancellations will be minimal I suspect not, but that's little more than speculation on my part. But my point is that this isn't necessarily the revenue boost to the economy some think it is. It's really just a pissing match between Brazil and the US.
HumpyDumpty11
12-29-23, 19:57
Thanks for sharing. Highlights many of my concerns.
The lunacy of it all: what does Brazil gain by validating $2,000 "for travel"? There's no legitimate assurance they receive. Having $2,000 in an account at a point in time? Wtf does that mean? LOL The whole visa requirement is punitive. That's not to say it's not deserved retribution! But making me pay to jump through hoops and assuming the risk of someone making $200 USD a month being bribed is "far fetched"? No thanks.Everyone is only focusing on the $2000 bank statement. But according the Brazilian visa office there are 2 other options that no one is talking about. Here is the document requirement from off the site:
"Printed bank statement showing transactions for the last 30 days and showing balance of US $ 2,000.00 or proof of income or credit card statement".
So you can use proof of income (not sure how that would like) or a credit card statement. I just don't know things, like for the proof of income, what is that? A letter I right that says how much I make? A tax form? Letter from my boss? Then there's the how much do I need to make in order to get the visa? With the CC, it's how much is needed on the CC in order to get the visa? What if I don't take that CC to Brazil with me?
Mr Enternational
12-29-23, 20:43
I think you overthink it in this case. They already approved your visa, why would they need this outdated bank statement.It seems he has never been through immigration. They simply look at your passport, ask how long you are staying, then stamp your passport and write how many days you are allowed and on to the next person. They are not analyzing documents and asking you for all kind of other proof of whatever. I think they are actually contractors now. They are definitely not the federal police how they used to be. How the hell are they going to send in a request that they need to see the person's bank statement, visa application, or small pictures they had to submit before they stamp the passport. Ridiculous. Can you imagine how long the lines would be? They are not the top scammers that he is suspecting them to be. Definitely overthinking it.
Mr Enternational
12-29-23, 20:49
With my data at a minimum stored somewhere, and likely a click away from thousands of government officials. Yes, I'm overthinking this. And talking about it far more than I want. LOL But this type of theft happens in the US. CBP officials have been bought off by cartels. US bank employees have been bought off by cartels and other organized crime syndicates. So no, I do not believe Brazil officials are less susceptible. But I'd have probably infused $3,000+ into the economy,You really think a multi-billion dollar cartel is worried about the $2000 on your bank statement? Man please. If you are that worried then it only takes 5 minutes to open a bank account online and deposit $2,000. You can close it right after they give you a visa. You are making something out of nothing.
All of us combined won't make a dent in their economy.
I agree with all of your points. And you're correct, the Visa would already be approved. With my data at a minimum stored somewhere, and likely a click away from thousands of government officials.
Yes, I'm overthinking this. And talking about it far more than I want. LOL But this type of theft happens in the US. CBP officials have been bought off by cartels. US bank employees have been bought off by cartels and other organized crime syndicates. So no, I do not believe Brazil officials are less susceptible. As I said earlier, your personal information is far more valuable to the criminals than an iPhone. So be it data security or extortion, I don't see it as far fetched. I don't fault anyone for taking that risk. In a perverted way, there is safety in numbers. The more bank statements, the less chance your number is chosen.
As for why they do it, you are correct. Their land, their rules. I do think Colombia has a slightly better political relationship with the US. But, yes, both leaders are unabashed communists with similar interests. But I do not complain about the visa requirement. It's simply the bank statement. That said, I'm not convinced this is a net positive revenue decision. I've canceled my plans to visit Brazil in a couple months. I am not even a drop in the bucket. But I'd have probably infused $3,000+ into the economy, between lodging, food, drinks and chicas. (Yes, chicas count. LOL) That's a $2,900 loss. That means Lula needs 36 visas to make up for one cancellation. Who knows; maybe the cancellations will be minimal I suspect not, but that's little more than speculation on my part. But my point is that this isn't necessarily the revenue boost to the economy some think it is. It's really just a pissing match between Brazil and the US.
That is way too early to be buying flight tickets and reserving hotels.
. Unfortunately, I paid for my flight and hotel 6 months ago, so I don't think I can get a refund. .
...That said, I'm not convinced this is a net positive revenue decision....I think the motivation is not money.
Dcrist0527
12-30-23, 17:29
The Brazilian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, of which its embassies and consulates are a part, is and will remain responsible for the visa process. You really should educate yourself on how things work before declaring that one's security will be unduly put at risk because of the announced requirements to get a Brazilian e-visa. You proclaim the danger without even understanding the machinations of the process! Best for you to just go somewhere else since your repeated warnings aren't making any inroads here with seasoned world travelers who have had to manage visa requirements for various countries many, many, many times before. I do believe you protest too much.First, my intent is not to "make inroads" with anyone. Certainly not with people who cannot accept facts. I don't care if the immigration officer reports to Lula himself. The risk is the same. You have government employees earning pennies a day that are susceptible to being bought out. That's not a slam on Brazil; it happens all over the world. So then it comes down to what are you comfortable handing over and putting at risk. As I've said many times now, I don't fault anyone for doing it. I do fault people who think that handing over very personal information comes with no risk. That's just foolish.
Cute how you lump all visa processes in the same bucket. They aren't. But "seasoned world travelers" would already know that. (For what it's worth, I would put good money that I have had many more international trips over the last 10 years than you. I really don't care but your sad excuse for a backhand failed.) Your problem is a common issue on this board and others. Too many posters think their experience, their preferences, their issues, etc. Are the only experience. Whether it's physical appearance, desired services, where to find girls, or risk profiles, we all have different experiences. THAT was my intent. To let people know of the risk. I'm not going to go into my personal job but this is a topic I know very well. My intent is to highlight the risk and let others decide what they are comfortable with. To claim to know it all. Well, I'll leave that to the blowhards.
Dcrist0527
12-30-23, 17:36
It seems he has never been through immigration. They simply look at your passport, ask how long you are staying, then stamp your passport and write how many days you are allowed and on to the next person. They are not analyzing documents and asking you for all kind of other proof of whatever. I think they are actually contractors now. They are definitely not the federal police how they used to be. How the hell are they going to send in a request that they need to see the person's bank statement, visa application, or small pictures they had to submit before they stamp the passport. Ridiculous. Can you imagine how long the lines would be? They are not the top scammers that he is suspecting them to be. Definitely overthinking it.I hesitate to respond to this because, Mr E, I think you add value in many ways to this board. But if you think that you don't have a profile built up in a database that is at the fingertips of the person stamping your passport, then I feel safe in saying that I am not the ridiculous one here. Maybe it's not me that's never been through immigration. I suppose they scan your passport for shits and giggles while they play solitare on their 1985 Macintosh?
Dcrist0527
12-30-23, 17:44
You really think a multi-billion dollar cartel is worried about the $2000 on your bank statement? Man please. If you are that worried then it only takes 5 minutes to open a bank account online and deposit $2,000. You can close it right after they give you a visa. You are making something out of nothing.With all due respect, you've missed the point. It's not the $2,000 that is the issue. It's the information. Do you have any idea how much an identity is worth to an organized crime network? I do. I know how it works because I see it it every single day in my job.
But that's only one of the risks. Some tourists will turn over their normal bank statements, with far more than $2,000. You don't think that elevates their risk? Extortion happens every day. Now arm the bad guys with your net worth? Yeah, no risk there. Smh.
Clearly, you doubt the risk or think I'm full of shit. Either way, I respect your opinion. I don't have a dog in that fight.
Dcrist0527
12-30-23, 17:56
All of us combined won't make a dent in their economy.Debatable. Us mongers, no? But tourism in general is a vital revenue stream. Pre-Covid numbers:
Tourism in Brazil accounts directly for 3.1% of GDP, rising to 9.6% if indirect effects are also included. The sector supported 2.1 million jobs in 2018, which accounts for 2.5% of total employment.
It's also estimated US travelers spend $3,825 in Brazil per trip.
I think it's safe to say that the visa issue isn't going to boost travel to Brazil. I have no clue how many people will change plans. So I cannot possibly predict the impact.
As Nounce pointed out (as have I, repeatedly,) this decision was not made based on financial data. It was punitive. But from a financial impact, this move is a loser. In a country that should be more concerned about the financial impact. But again, I think it was Nounce that pointed out the politics of it all.
For what it's worth, I would put good money that I have had many more international trips over the last 10 years than you. To claim to know it all. Well, I'll leave that to the blowhards.That means a lot coming from a guy who said he no longer wanted to talk about the matter, and then turns around and posts several more messages on the same topic. The bottom line is that nobody cares whether you choose to seek a visa to go to Brazil or not. We don't care! And for what it's worth, my travel experience extends literally over my entire lifetime, so I'm not too impressed with how much travel someone may have done over the last decade LOL! All I know is that I've been to over 50 countries on 5 continents. That's more than enough to know about visa requirements from countries all over the world. And I'm not finished yet!
For God's sake, if somebody don't want to travel to Brazil, stay at home. Stop crying and accept the current situation.
Mr Enternational
12-30-23, 19:32
I think it's safe to say that the visa issue isn't going to boost travel to Brazil. I have no clue how many people will change plans. So I cannot possibly predict the impact.I could be wrong, but I think they initially took the visa away expecting it to boost travel in Brazil but it did not. So I guess they are just reinstating it in that case.
The only tourist that they lost so far is you. They don't really care. Americans don't spend too much money when they travel anyways.
Debatable. Us mongers, no? But tourism in general is a vital revenue stream. Pre-Covid numbers:
Tourism in Brazil accounts directly for 3.1% of GDP, rising to 9.6% if indirect effects are also included. The sector supported 2.1 million jobs in 2018, which accounts for 2.5% of total employment.
It's also estimated US travelers spend $3,825 in Brazil per trip.
I think it's safe to say that the visa issue isn't going to boost travel to Brazil. I have no clue how many people will change plans. So I cannot possibly predict the impact.
As Nounce pointed out (as have I, repeatedly,) this decision was not made based on financial data. It was punitive. But from a financial impact, this move is a loser. In a country that should be more concerned about the financial impact. But again, I think it was Nounce that pointed out the politics of it all.
Houston Player
12-31-23, 07:42
I could be wrong, but I think they initially took the visa away expecting it to boost travel in Brazil but it did not. So I guess they are just reinstating it in that case.You are right about the reasons given. What makes it a silly argument is that the majority of the time a visa wasn't required was during Covid. When no one could travel, so how could they effectively measure the effect of the no visa policy?
You are right about the reasons given. What makes it a silly argument is that the majority of the time a visa wasn't required was during Covid. When no one could travel, so how could they effectively measure the effect of the no visa policy?Nobody ever accused the Brazilian government of being smart. They need to compare 2019 numbers to the 2024 calendar year when it ends. They will see a difference.
Who said Americans don't spend a lot there. That's ridiculous.
I could be wrong, but I think they initially took the visa away expecting it to boost travel in Brazil but it did not. So I guess they are just reinstating it in that case.Again, the reason why the visa requirement is being reinstated is based on the principle of reciprocity, not because they thought not requiring one would boost travel but didn't. Why do people keep making this hard to understand? It's very easy to understand, and it's an approach that other countries choose to follow as well.
https://www.afar.com/magazine/u-s-travelers-will-soon-need-a-visa-to-enter-brazil?_amp=true
Mr Enternational
12-31-23, 16:23
Again, the reason why the visa requirement is being reinstated is based on the principle of reciprocity, not because they thought not requiring one would boost travel but didn't. Why do people keep making this hard to understandIf that is the case, then why did they take it away in the first place? The USA never took away the requirement for them to have one. So that could not have been in reciprocity.
Mr Enternational
12-31-23, 16:31
Again, the reason why the visa requirement is being reinstated is based on the principle of reciprocity, not because they thought not requiring one would boost travel but didn't. Why do people keep making this hard to understand? It's very easy to understand, and it's an approach that other countries choose to follow as well."Former president Jair Bolsonaro had scrapped the visa requirements in 2019 to bolster the country's tourism industry, but the four countries continued to demand visas from Brazilians. Bolsonaro criticized the decision last week after the news outlet G1 first reported the upcoming change. "Another revocation by Lula. Less jobs and less stimulus of the hotel sector," he said on Twitter. " So yes it was taken away to boost travel, but put back because other countries would not take their requirement away.
https://apnews.com/article/brazil-us-tourism-visas-lula-bolsonaro-e206025994b64fa5695484b99a807971
If that is the case, then why did they take it away in the first place? The USA never took away the requirement for them to have one. So that could not have been in reciprocity.The first part of what you said was correct. Yes, the Bolsonaro administration removed the visa requirement to boost travel to Brazil. But then the Lula administration came back in and reinstated it based on reciprocity. "These countries require our citizens to have a tourist visa, so we're going to require theirs to have one too". For example, Japan was originally one of the countries that Brazil was going to reimpose the visa requirement on, but both countries have since agreed to waive tourist visa requirements for their respective citizens. In any event, like I say whatever. I've got my valid Brazilian tourist visa, and when it's about to expire I'll get another one (shrugs).
Explorer8939
01-01-24, 04:06
My solution to the January 10 visa implementation date: I arrive January 9.
My solution to the January 10 visa implementation date: I arrive January 9.Unless you miss your flight.
Hope this wasn't one of the bros:
https://nypost.com/2023/12/31/news/american-airlines-traveler-restrained-by-passengers-during-meltdown-before-us-flight/amp/
He just found out that he needs to show his bank statement to get his tourist visa.
Hope this wasn't one of the bros:
https://nypost.com/2023/12/31/news/american-airlines-traveler-restrained-by-passengers-during-meltdown-before-us-flight/amp/.
He just found out that he needs to show his bank statement to get his tourist visa.Too damn funny LOLOLOL!
Axel Heyst
01-03-24, 19:18
Hope this wasn't one of the bros:
https://nypost.com/2023/12/31/news/american-airlines-traveler-restrained-by-passengers-during-meltdown-before-us-flight/amp/I just flew out of GRU to MIA on the 1st. It took way over an hour to get through 3 lines (check in, security, & immigration). People were jumping through the immigration line and several waiting passengers loudly called the line jumpers on it and complained to the one lone immigration official assigned to line management. I could easily imagen things turning violent, we were one punch away actually. And who's fault is this? Well sure, one has to keep one's composure in situations like this, or face severe consequences, but shit, travelling by air is a frigin' insult and nightmare these days. The airlines, the security, and immigration are all at fault for this BS.
I remember the good old days before the internet and 9/11 when you could show up 30 minutes before a flight and still catch your flight, and planes were half filled with passengers then, and you could have a whole row to yourself on an overnight flight. Air travel used to be fun back in the day. Now it is strictly a cattle car experience. For example. My Latam New Year's evening flight was fully booked, but we arrived at MIA a half hour early and I was in and out of the airport in 30 minutes. I picked up my rental car and drove home before rush hour hit. So, on a scale of 1 to 10, I rate the whole experience a 5. I just wish I could have stayed longer in SP. Oh well. In 6 months I will endure another hell flight back to the city of women. I can't help myself.
I just flew out of GRU to MIA on the 1st. It took way over an hour to get through 3 lines (check in, security, & immigration). People were jumping through the immigration line and several waiting passengers loudly called the line jumpers on it and complained to the one lone immigration official assigned to line management. I could easily imagen things turning violent, we were one punch away actually. And who's fault is this? Well sure, one has to keep one's composure in situations like this, or face severe consequences, but shit, travelling by air is a frigin' insult and nightmare these days. The airlines, the security, and immigration are all at fault for this BS.
I remember the good old days before the internet and 9/11 when you could show up 30 minutes before a flight and still catch your flight, and planes were half filled with passengers then, and you could have a whole row to yourself on an overnight flight. Air travel used to be fun back in the day. Now it is strictly a cattle car experience. For example. My Latam New Year's evening flight was fully booked, but we arrived at MIA a half hour early and I was in and out of the airport in 30 minutes. I picked up my rental car and drove home before rush hour hit. So, on a scale of 1 to 10, I rate the whole experience a 5. I just wish I could have stayed longer in SP. Oh well. In 6 months I will endure another hell flight back to the city of women. I can't help myself.That's why I'm willing to spend / invest more on the travel experience to have as comfortable a flight as possible (starting with the ground experience) while cutting down on how much I spend on my lodging once I arrive. I go for first / business class as often as I can. And when I can't, then I'm at least in a premium class seat. I try to avoid the "cattle car" economy experience at almost all cost. Lucky for me I can pretty much always afford some kind of premium seating no matter what. Then for lodging I tend to stick with 3-star hotels, and sometimes 4-star. This is what works for me budget / comfort wise. I don't sweat the hotel too much (don't need the nicest) because I will be spending a lot of time away from the hotel room anyway. But no plane no far away, exotic, foreign pussy! Haha!
The Critic
01-04-24, 03:50
"Former president Jair Bolsonaro had scrapped the visa requirements in 2019 to bolster the country's tourism industry, but the four countries continued to demand visas from Brazilians. Bolsonaro criticized the decision last week after the news outlet G1 first reported the upcoming change. "Another revocation by Lula. Less jobs and less stimulus of the hotel sector," he said on Twitter. " So yes it was taken away to boost travel, but put back because other countries would not take their requirement away.
https://apnews.com/article/brazil-us-tourism-visas-lula-bolsonaro-e206025994b64fa5695484b99a807971The initial visa wavers were announced during the Dilma Rousseff / Michel Temer Administration for the 2016 Rio Olympics. The waver was kept in place extended through the Michel Temer Administration when he replaced Dilma Rousseff who was kicked out of office a few weeks prior to the commencement of the 2016 Rio Olympics. When Jair Bolsonaro replaced Michel Temer, Jair Bolsonaro did indeed formally scrapped the visa requirement. And of course, since Lula replaced Jair Bolsonaro, Lula has indeed formally reinstated the visa requirement as a reciprocity / punitive issue.
https://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2016-01-05/americans-wont-need-visas-to-visit-brazil-this-summer
During the entire period US to Brazil tourism did not increases (as hoped by tourism boards and the hospitality industry) primary due to IMHO media scares of Dengue Fever and Zika virus outbreak prior, during, and after 2016 Olympics in addition to the Global COVID pandemic. Also add Media increasingly reporting Crime waves/scares. Resulting in the perception of Brazil as a dangerous country.
What a waste of time and money!
Wonder if they are going to refund the money or just keep working on the ones they have in line?
https://cbn.globo.com/politica/noticia/2024/01/04/governo-adia-obrigatoriedade-de-vistos-para-turistas-dos-eua-canada-e-australia-para-abril.ghtml
UniversalX
01-05-24, 02:27
Wonder if they are going to refund the money or just keep working on the ones they have in line?
https://cbn.globo.com/politica/noticia/2024/01/04/governo-adia-obrigatoriedade-de-vistos-para-turistas-dos-eua-canada-e-australia-para-abril.ghtmlThe Brazilian Embassy in Miami website or the https://brazil.vfsevisa.com/ website show no change / update. I would not yet take the news article as official notification of record. If you're traveling soon verify with Brazilian Embassy.
However if this postponement will happen what happens to individuals who have recieved thier e-Visa?
Or individuals in process but not yet issued (do they get refund or will it still be processed / issued)?
I hope I get my 80 bucks back. That's a weeks worth of hookers in villa mimosa.
Gigi Buffon
01-05-24, 06:20
The Brazilian Embassy in Miami website or the https://brazil.vfsevisa.com/ website show no change / update. I would not yet take the news article as official notification of record. If you're traveling soon verify with Brazilian Embassy.
However if this postponement will happen what happens to individuals who have recieved thier e-Visa?
Or individuals in process but not yet issued (do they get refund or will it still be processed / issued)?Reported by Veja and other newspapers that visa for Americans citizens, Canadians and Aussies has been deferred until April 10,2024.
So that means the guy who canceled his flight tickets and hotels from 6 months ago and never got his refund, didn't really need to cancel?
What a waste of time and money!.
Dcrist0527
01-05-24, 16:12
The only tourist that they lost so far is you. They don't really care. Americans don't spend too much money when they travel anyways.As the "only tourist" they lost, I sure do have alot of pull, huh? LMAO.
"however, the measure was negotiated after pressure from businesspeople and agents in the tourism sector, who argue that the visa bureaucratizes and limits the foreign public's intention to travel to Brazil. ".
https://cbn.globo.com/politica/noticia/2024/01/04/governo-adia-obrigatoriedade-de-vistos-para-turistas-dos-eua-canada-e-australia-para-abril.ghtml
UniversalX
01-05-24, 17:25
Reported by Veja and other newspapers that visa for Americans citizens, Canadians and Aussies has been deferred until April 10,2024.Last time I checked these publications / newspapers don't issue visas. It's best to rely on official sources.
Only official sources, https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/eresp/noticias/inicio-da-emissao-do-visto-eletronico-e-visa-para-turistas-dos-eua-canada-e-australia.
Overall, it looks like they are still taking applications for visas, they must have been overwhelmed or had some issue that prompted the delay/deferral. Looks like Japan and Brazil reached an agreement for a visa waver for their citizen's travel.
SocratesNY
01-05-24, 20:33
Another data point. American Airlines just sent me an email informing me of the postponement of the visa requirement.
"The Government of Brazil has postponed the visa requirement to enter the country. Citizens of the USA, Canada and Australia will now need a visa starting April 10,2024.
This means you can board your flight in January without a Brazil visa. To stay up to date on Brazil's visa requirements, visit this website. ".
Which links to official announcement.
https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/consulado-washington/consulate-general-of-brazil-in-washington-dc/visit-visas-for-citizens-of-australia-canada-united-states/view?
Mr Enternational
01-05-24, 20:37
Overall, it looks like they are still taking applications for visas, they must have been overwhelmed or had some issue that prompted the delay/deferral.They have always taken applications. Whether or not you need to submit one to enter the country is a different story.
Gigi Buffon
01-06-24, 21:52
Last time I checked these publications / newspapers don't issue visas. It's best to rely on official sources.
Only official sources, https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/eresp/noticias/inicio-da-emissao-do-visto-eletronico-e-visa-para-turistas-dos-eua-canada-e-australia.
Overall, it looks like they are still taking applications for visas, they must have been overwhelmed or had some issue that prompted the delay/deferral. Looks like Japan and Brazil reached an agreement for a visa waver for their citizen's travel.You can always apply for the visa and be in the safe side. But, if you think "Diário Oficial the União" an official source of the government or the most reliable newspapers of Brasil will mislead the population on such a matter, then there is not much else that I can say.
Explorer8939
01-07-24, 02:22
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/brazil-postpones-visa-requirements-us-canada-australia-citizens-106130949
Brazil postpones visa requirements until April 10.
Vagabundo1
01-08-24, 08:46
Living in Brazil during a Global War?
Anyone thought about how living in Brazil would be for an expat during a global war?
Some books / blogs / podcasts:
Ricks, The Generals. Brazil during WW2 was late to the conflict, only sending an Regiment to Italy. This book describes the lead up to the war too, with Brazilian generals going to Nazi Germany, and American Generals coming to Brazil to win Brazil to the US side (Marshall).
Rudd, The Avoidable War. 10 scenarios for war in the Pacific are described, which will implicate the BRICS+.
Newsham, When China Attacks. A single scenario for global war, like the Rudd book, above, is described.
Civil War (upcoming movie).
https://youtu.be/t0EzPSdna2E?si=8ljmutcrpCokSNyl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihhI-5yMdts
Leave the World Behind (Netflix movie, book).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxkRAm8mvhg
The Economist, Investing During World War III.
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2023/10/30/what-a-third-world-war-would-mean-for-investors
Please post more links, and / or leave your thoughts.
Explorer8939
01-11-24, 11:22
I am in Rio for a month.
Some notes:
Checkout a supermarket is an arduous process, since cashiers are the slowest in the world. All it takes is a random comment from a customer, and they stop work to chat. And they count money 3 or 4 times.
Same with any situation where there are multiple booths, like the check in counter at the airport. The staff are constantly talking to each other. If there are 5 positions, 2 will stop work to play telephone, even if there is a long line.
Since we've been talking about it, here's a piece on "passport power":
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/travel/gallery/worlds-most-powerful-passports-2024-photos/index.html
Vagabundo1
01-12-24, 15:18
Anyone used one of these in Brazil with a local sim card (vivo, claro)?
Going to livestream vasco v flamego sex olympics from praia abrico kkk.
Vagabundo1
01-12-24, 15:19
Yeah, not a day goes by that I don't consider punching some Brazilian in the face.
I am in Rio for a month.
Some notes:
Checkout a supermarket is an arduous process, since cashiers are the slowest in the world. All it takes is a random comment from a customer, and they stop work to chat. And they count money 3 or 4 times.
Same with any situation where there are multiple booths, like the check in counter at the airport. The staff are constantly talking to each other. If there are 5 positions, 2 will stop work to play telephone, even if there is a long line.
Explorer8939
01-12-24, 23:52
Walking around Rio, the female situation seems more dire every year. It's like the female population overall ages one year as a year passes, and nobody had kids 20 years ago. Not to mention the constant weight gain.
When a younger woman is on the street, she has a boyfriend at her side, which was not the case 20 years ago.
Also, there's definite lack of foreign tourists on the streets.
Yeah, not a day goes by that I don't consider punching some Brazilian in the face.They have a weird way of doing things for sure. If you really want to fit in, wear a speedo to the beach.
Hello,
I've been obsessed with Midget girls for quite some time now. Is it possible to get one in Brazil? Anyone tried one? Any recommendations? Where do I go, what do I ask for? She doesn't have to be full Midget she can be near Midget, that's okay. As long as she's really really short.
Walking around Rio, the female situation seems more dire every year. It's like the female population overall ages one year as a year passes, and nobody had kids 20 years ago. Not to mention the constant weight gain.
When a younger woman is on the street, she has a boyfriend at her side, which was not the case 20 years ago.
Also, there's definite lack of foreign tourists on the streets.IMHO 20 years ago was different because Help was open, tho dollar was strong and girls received a lot of money for selling their bunda. As a result of this word spread throughout all of Brazil that there was a lot of money to be made in Help and the surrounding area. Girls arrived in the bus loads every day from all over Brazil, some apartments had maybe 3 girls in the bedrooms and some sleeping in the kitchen. Unfortunately those days are gone, Meia Pataca was so packed with GDP's that they opened up a place right next door called Havana to handle the overflow. Rio is much more subdued these days but it's still better than home.
Hello,
I've been obsessed with Midget girls for quite some time now. Is it possible to get one in Brazil? Anyone tried one? Any recommendations? Where do I go, what do I ask for? She doesn't have to be full Midget she can be near Midget, that's okay. As long as she's really really short.I remember years ago when I started going to Brazil that there was a well-known midget that guys were fucking in Rio. Was almost like some right of passage to have done the midget LOL! Not my thing, and I don't remember her name or where she was found, but maybe one of the old-timers here does just for old time's sake.
Hello,
I've been obsessed with Midget girls for quite some time now. Is it possible to get one in Brazil? Anyone tried one? Any recommendations? Where do I go, what do I ask for? She doesn't have to be full Midget she can be near Midget, that's okay. As long as she's really really short.There's always some freaks in 13 Olavo Bilac in centro, I have a friend who likes midgets too and he had good luck there.
Hello,
I've been obsessed with Midget girls for quite some time now. Is it possible to get one in Brazil? Anyone tried one? Any recommendations? Where do I go, what do I ask for? She doesn't have to be full Midget she can be near Midget, that's okay. As long as she's really really short.Try Vila Mimosa. VM has everything. I'm not into midgets, but I had one at VM that was really good. She was sitting topless in a window in the you-alley. Her tits were fantastic. When I saw her she was sitting with her legs on the inside of the window. I told her I would session with her. When she jumped down from the window she disappeared. She only had 36 kg. Being tall it felt strange to walk hand-in-hand to the casa where she actually worked.
Hello,
I've been obsessed with Midget girls for quite some time now. Is it possible to get one in Brazil? Anyone tried one? Any recommendations? Where do I go, what do I ask for? She doesn't have to be full Midget she can be near Midget, that's okay. As long as she's really really short.There was one at Bomboa When I went there about a year ago. If she's not there, I'm pretty sure the staff knows about her. She was a real one meter lady.
Mr Enternational
01-26-24, 03:51
Well, Gol files for bankruptcy:
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/brazil-carrier-gol-files-chapter-11-bankruptcy-protection-2024-01-25/
Well, Gol files for bankruptcy:
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/brazil-carrier-gol-files-chapter-11-bankruptcy-protection-2024-01-25/Doesn't mean much. All US carriers and Avianca (currently) kept flying while "reorganizing", LOL.
Doesn't mean much. All US carriers and Avianca (currently) kept flying while "reorganizing", LOL.The article says it will keep flying. I will find out soon. LOL. The second time I experienced this. I just can't get a break. It was a nightmare last time. I was able to buy another ticket to fly out, arrived and stranded in Medellin at midnight because my host thought I was coming the next day Had to hide my luggage on the street and had a security guard with gun in a building kind of protecting me while I was calling Uber outside the gate.
Vagabundo1
01-28-24, 02:20
15 Olavo Bilac had the infamous Michelle Noemi Bilas Obama whose ass I posted here in a hot tub in Motel Lips at a pernoite, AND the real porn star Lorena Green, for mfkn 80 Reais! I mean 16 dollars for a legit porn star.
OK, maybe you colorist mfkers in the group may not like the dark meat but tens of millions of strokers in the rich world have spilled loads to Lorena Green and Mambo Perv, who is an idiot for overpaying, paid her rich world Euro zone wages for her pussy and ass, and Vagabundo fucked her for 16 bucks. What a nice plump, round negra ass, and what a big delta between the 1000 USD I would pay to fuck a porn star in Vegas versus the 16 -- did I mention sixteen? -- dollars I paid to fuck Lorena Green in Casa 15?
There's always some freaks in 13 Olavo Bilac in centro, I have a friend who likes midgets too and he had good luck there.
Is there a lot of fakes on Photoacompantes. ?
I remember years ago when I started going to Brazil that there was a well-known midget that guys were fucking in Rio. Was almost like some right of passage to have done the midget LOL! Not my thing, and I don't remember her name or where she was found, but maybe one of the old-timers here does just for old time's sake.They called her Minnie Me. She was about one step from a midget, she didn't have all the midget features.
Mr Enternational
02-04-24, 01:56
They called her Minnie Me. She was about one step from a midget, she didn't have all the midget features.I think you are confusing midget with dwarf. All of her body parts are in proportion as a midget. Her limbs and head were not disproportionate as they would have been if she had been a dwarf. This is her warming up our food in my apartment when I was in school there in 2003 (the good old days of paying 100 reais for all night). Her name is Alexandra. Someone said she got married and moved to Chicago way back when.
Mr Enternational
02-04-24, 04:06
Is there a lot of fakes on Photoacompantes.Yep. But most of the time I do not even realize it until the session is over and I am shooting the shit with the girl or I have left the premises. You can generally tell though with experience. If you see glamour shots then it is not the girl. If you see the background as a $1 million condo then it is not the girl. If the pictures are from a run down apartment then it is the girl. If you see people have given ratings at the bottom of the ad then it is the girl. As a rule of thumb, if it is for downtown then it is the girl. If it is for Copacabana then it is not the girl. I mostly do it for the fun of it and do not have my heart set on it has to be this particular girl. I speak Portuguese and know how to make my own fun. So I just run with that. I am not paying over 150 reais though, so if I was paying like 400 or 500 then yeah I may be pissed or not accept if it is not the girl advertised.
Yep. But most of the time I do not even realize it until the session is over and I am shooting the shit with the girl or I have left the premises. You can generally tell though with experience. If you see glamour shots then it is not the girl. If you see the background as a $1 million condo then it is not the girl. If the pictures are from a run down apartment then it is the girl. Yes, only 20 lb lighter and 10 years younger, LOL.
For this reason I like Fatal Models. More down to earth and you can see the girl's recent video (along with most of her imperfections, too).
It is a bit hard to tell since most of the girls do not have reviews. My guess it is much better to go to their place. If it turns out to be a different girl and you are not interested you can always leave. The other good thing is that rates in Brazil are cheap so you are not out to much money if you have to give them some money. What about Sao Paulo. ? Sao Paulo seems has a lot more slender blondes. ?
Yep. But most of the time I do not even realize it until the session is over and I am shooting the shit with the girl or I have left the premises. You can generally tell though with experience. If you see glamour shots then it is not the girl. If you see the background as a $1 million condo then it is not the girl. If the pictures are from a run down apartment then it is the girl. If you see people have given ratings at the bottom of the ad then it is the girl. As a rule of thumb, if it is for downtown then it is the girl. If it is for Copacabana then it is not the girl. I mostly do it for the fun of it and do not have my heart set on it has to be this particular girl. I speak Portuguese and know how to make my own fun. So I just run with that. I am not paying over 150 reais though, so if I was paying like 400 or 500 then yeah I may be pissed or not accept if it is not the girl advertised.
Axel Heyst
02-05-24, 12:28
For this reason I like Fatal Models. More down to earth and you can see the girl's recent video (along with most of her imperfections, too).Better be careful. My search for Fatal produced these headlines from multiple sources, "Top Escort Service in Brazil Exposes Millions of User and" & "Brazil's Biggest Escort Service Suffered a Massive Data Breach. " Maybe it is nothing, or maybe it is something. I don't know, but since I almost never do escorts and was only curious in what they have different from other sites, I chose not to check it out any further.
Explorer8939
02-05-24, 14:07
There has been a real drop in talent since Covid, here in Rio. The population is older, not so many 20 year olds. For women under 40, the average weight is very high. You still see women on the street in bikinis, but now they weigh 100 kg. Just about any decent woman has her boyfriend in tow, I have seen very few hot women alone.
There are a few exceptions, maybe 1%.
But, even when a lady is with her boyfriend, its common for the woman to weigh more than the man.
I am traveling with a Thai lady, and she is hotter than most of the ladies here.
Mr Enternational
02-05-24, 15:45
There has been a real drop in talent since Covid, here in Rio. The population is older, not so many 20 year olds. For women under 40, the average weight is very high. You still see women on the street in bikinis, but now they weigh 100 kg. Just about any decent woman has her boyfriend in tow, I have seen very few hot women alone.
There are a few exceptions, maybe 1%.
But, even when a lady is with her boyfriend, its common for the woman to weigh more than the man.
I am traveling with a Thai lady, and she is hotter than most of the ladies here.That is true. In Latin America people love who they love. They are not worried about being with the hot blonde or the fashionable girl type of the day.
TWe have seen a drop in the number of SG's & SW's in Tijuana since coid. The good thing is that there still is a lot of good reasonably priced girls on Photoaccomantes. I wish there was some reasonably priced good looking escorts in Tijuana.
There has been a real drop in talent since Covid, here in Rio. The population is older, not so many 20 year olds. For women under 40, the average weight is very high. You still see women on the street in bikinis, but now they weigh 100 kg. Just about any decent woman has her boyfriend in tow, I have seen very few hot women alone.
There are a few exceptions, maybe 1%.
But, even when a lady is with her boyfriend, its common for the woman to weigh more than the man.
I am traveling with a Thai lady, and she is hotter than most of the ladies here.
Some waiters have not seen foreign credit card so they are confused even if you give clear instruction. Today, I told the waiter to choose 2 to pay in reais but she just said sim and press the enter key which default to 1 to pay in USD. This is not the first time this happened. Next time, I am going take over the machine and do it myself. That was actually the instruction on the machine. LOL.
Talking about instruction, I have been trying to add milk to Americano at Starbucks. The first time, I managed to get the barista to add whip cream to it. My fault, because she was confused why I wanted to add milk so I said cream to unconfused her. Then I got an Americano delivered with whip cream. The next time, I tried to order with milk again, the barista wrote down my order as Latte. I caught that, and told her I wanted Americano with only 10% milk. After the coffee was made, she put the cup in front of me and steam milk on her hand, then started pouring and waited for me to tell her to stop. But there was a new problem, because the coffee was only half full. It's half of what I wanted but I got the taste I wanted. Haha. I went to another place and order Americano which was not on the menu. The waiter was confused, and I just told him espresso with water which he delivered.
Mr Enternational
02-15-24, 05:47
Some waiters have not seen foreign credit card so they are confused even if you give clear instruction. Today, I told the waiter to choose 2 to pay in reais but she just said sim and press the enter key which default to 1 to pay in USD. This is not the first time this happened. Next time, I am going take over the machine and do it myself. That was actually the instruction on the machine. LOL.Where was that? The only thing I have been ever asked is debit or credit, never in which currency I wished to pay in.
Although the Brazil, has a relatively "young" democracy, it is showing signs of maturity beyond that of America, the oldest and longest held democracy in the world.
The wanna be Brazilian dictator and Trump political impersonator (with Speedo tan lines...kkkk!), dubbed by Brazilians as "the Trump of the Topics" and my fav. "President Bozo", is now under investigation for their "J8" attempted coup.
Along with four (4) people arrested and 33 search warrants executed Thursday as part of the probe, ex-President Jair Bolsonaro, surrendered his passport, Brazilian Federal Police said in a statement.
Brazil's former president Bolsonaro under investigation in probe into attempted coup
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/08/americas/bolsonaro-coup-probe-brazil-intl/index.html
It's just utterly, stupefying that, ex-Pres. Bozo would follow some REALLY dumbass right-wing "Trumpian" bullshit coup, having just seen America's fail coup from the "Trump in the North".
Perhaps that's why Brazilians, called the right-wing ex-president, "Bozo"? It does make perfect sense...kkkk!
Brazil's ex-leader Bolsonaro surrenders passport over coup probe
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-68239341
Come what may, personally I'm glad to see, Brazilians, at the very least, fully engaged in their constitutional duties, to uphold their democracy and pursue their "J8" insurrectionists. Successful convictions or not, it is a good sign and sends a strong signal, that Brazilians are willing to stand up and fight for democracy.
Viva Brazil!
Axel Heyst
02-15-24, 13:14
Hey Spidy,
Please keep the political shit in the American politics or the stupid thread where it belongs. There is no legitimate reason to contaminate this thread or any other with political bias of any kind. It will only lead to pointless arguments and hatred.
Talking about instruction, I have been trying to add milk to Americano at Starbucks. .Yes, learning the slang for coffee has been interesting in Brazil. But then again, I only drink black coffee drinks (espresso or pourover), the cafes are quite excellent in SP.
Where was that? The only thing I have been ever asked is debit or credit, never in which currency I wished to pay in.Interesting, because I see this all the time, I wonder if it's related to credit card issuer (CAD cards).
F.
Where was that? The only thing I have been ever asked is debit or credit, never in which currency I wished to pay in.It's the credit card version of the ATM conversion thing. In this case, the vendor will get a rebate when customers choose non local currency like USD. I will be surprised that you have not seen it. It is more common in Sao Paulo. It is not as common in smaller cities. The machine will tell the person to show the terminal to client and let client make the selection, usually 1: USD, 2: BRL.
Yes, learning the slang for coffee has been interesting in Brazil. But then again, I only drink black coffee drinks (espresso or pourover), the cafes are quite excellent in SP.
I drink a lot so I try to neutralize it by adding milk or some decaf. The Starbucks I went to doesn't have decaf. Starbucks added 5 BRL for the milk
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It's the credit card version of the ATM conversion thing. In this case, the vendor will get a rebate when customers choose non local currency like USD. I will be surprised that you have not seen it. It is more common in Sao Paulo. It is not as common in smaller cities. The machine will tell the person to show the terminal to client and let client make the selection, usually 1: USD, 2: BRL.And exactly because vendors get a kickback for using USD conversion, you need to be proactive. I normally tell them them reais por favor (when I don't forget). If you don't, they might just charge you in dollars without asking.
As the investigation proceeds, it'll be interesting to see whether or NOT ex-Pres. Bozo, follows the in the "Trumpian" footsteps of his hero to the north, which resulted in a Jan. 6-style attack by Bolsonaros supporters after the far-right politician spread baseless conspiracy theories about the countrys election process.
Ex-Brazilian President Bolsonaro Targeted in Coup Prob: Here' what to know....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ex-brazilian-president-bolsonaro-targeted-in-coup-probe-here-s-what-to-know/ar-BB1hZrOXp
As for my post on ex-Pres Bozo being indicted, it is very relevant to Brazilian general information w/r to political, social and cultural significance. If that's not your thing w/r to having a discussion or debate...MOVE ON!
As the investigation proceeds, it'll be interesting to see whether or NOT ex-Pres. Bozo, follows the in the "Trumpian" footsteps of his hero to the north, which resulted in a Jan. 6-style attack by Bolsonaros supporters after the far-right politician spread baseless conspiracy theories about the countrys election process.
Ex-Brazilian President Bolsonaro Targeted in Coup Prob: Here' what to know....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ex-brazilian-president-bolsonaro-targeted-in-coup-probe-here-s-what-to-know/ar-BB1hZrOXp
As for my post on ex-Pres Bozo being indicted, it is very relevant to Brazilian general information w/r to political, social and cultural significance. If that's not your thing w/r to having a discussion or debate...MOVE ON!The only Bozo is Lula and Bozo's who voted for this weirdo.
Vagabundo1
02-17-24, 08:19
Lula is aligned with the feminist bullshit which is the enemy of our profession of mongering. Bolsonaro was president during the absolute best period for we few, we happy few, March 2020 to when Bolsonaro left, during which time currency, culture, and other issues made it the absolute best time for mongers.
BTW, how much time have you spent in Brazil the last 4 years?
Although the Brazil, has a relatively "young" democracy, it is showing signs of maturity beyond that of America, the oldest and longest held democracy in the world.
The wanna be Brazilian dictator and Trump political impersonator (with Speedo tan lines...kkkk!), dubbed by Brazilians as "the Trump of the Topics" and my fav. "President Bozo", is now under investigation for their "J8" attempted coup.
Along with four (4) people arrested and 33 search warrants executed Thursday as part of the probe, ex-President Jair Bolsonaro, surrendered his passport, Brazilian Federal Police said in a statement.
The only Bozo is Lula and Bozo's who voted for this weirdo.
You may very well be right! That's an awful lot of weirdos though, voting at the same time...imagine that! (...kkkk!)
But really, being called a "weirdo" isn't always bad thing. Some people wear it as a "badge of honor".
I guess you could say, that when the majority of "weirdo" Brazilians, voted for President Lula, that it was one of those times, being "weird" was a cool thing, as they collectively voted with "weirdness" and wore it proudly, like a "badge of honor", to victory.
PS: Many Brazilians, think we "gringos" (foreigners) are weirdos. (...kkkk!)
Viva Brazil!
Lula is aligned with the feminist bullshit which is the enemy of our profession of mongering. Bolsonaro was president during the absolute best period for we few, we happy few, March 2020 to when Bolsonaro left, during which time currency, culture, and other issues made it the absolute best time for mongers.
BTW, how much time have you spent in Brazil the last 4 years?Quite correct. While all other countries were shutting themselves off to foreign visitors, Bolsonaro the contrarian welcomed me to Brazil. One of the best 3 months in my monger's life.
As one of my SP regular girls said: "Lula is a thief who never finished school."
It's the credit card version of the ATM conversion thing. In this case, the vendor will get a rebate when customers choose non local currency like USD. I will be surprised that you have not seen it. It is more common in Sao Paulo. It is not as common in smaller cities. The machine will tell the person to show the terminal to client and let client make the selection, usually 1: USD, 2: BRL.
It is even more common in Lima where I remember in many restaurants they genuinely asked in which currency I wanted to pay. By "genuinely" I mean they were not trying to scam me, it was just an option that popped up each time in their hand-held terminals.
Axel Heyst
02-18-24, 13:48
Quite correct. When all other countries shut themselves off to foreign visitors, Bolsonaro the contrarian welcomed me to Brazil. One of the best 3 months in my monger's life.
Lula is a thief who never finished high school.Same here. I first came to Brazil when all of SE Asia had closed down thanks to covid. I had a big 2 1/2 month SE Asian trip scheduled to begin on April 15,2020 and I will always remember the day (March 15,2020) when United cancelled my flight to swampy (BKK). 2020 was a lost year. But early in 2021, I said fuck this and flew to Rio and the rest is history. I have not been back to LOS, CGK, Phnom, or Macau since June 2019 and although I miss it, I can't seem to stop visiting Brazil and getting my fill of Brazilian girls.
As one of my SP regular girls said: "Lula is a thief who never finished school."Yeah, a Brazileira told me one day over lunch out of blue that "Lula never hold a job is his life" and something like he takes a cut from people's salary.
Yeah, a Brazileira told me one day over lunch out of blue that "Lula never hold a job is his life" and something like he takes a cut from people's salary.And you believed her?
And you believed her?I don't have to believe, agree with or disagree with her. She told me a lot more for me to understand her thinking. Obviously she is not the only one with that opinion. There is nothing really absolutely good or bad. Most opinions formed here are mostly based on some type of bias anyway. LOL
My question to you is do you know what made her say what she said?
Axel Heyst
02-18-24, 18:33
As a general rule I try to avoid discussing politics with the locals in any country I visit. I also try my best, KKK, to avoid hearing the tragic stories of how or why a girl enters the profession. But sometimes these discussions cannot be avoided, especially when I am with favorite repeat girls that I really like.
So here are 2 anecdotal stories on the subject at hand:
The 1st one is about my favorite garota brasileira, V. I know, I know, I post a lot about her, maybe too much, but I spend around 40% of my nights in SP with her, so she is bound to come up in my posts every so often. Anyway, it was during the recent Brazilian presidential elections when V volunteered that she is a big Jair Bolsonaro supporter. Why I asked? Because she dislikes the socialists and thinks they are all crooks who make false promises to the people. Her words, not mine.
Now here is her sad background story: she is 100% Portuguese, and she grew up in a "loving", nurturing middle class family in a nice house in Curitiba. Her mother died, and her father married a much younger woman with a daughter. Then her father died, and her stepmother and stepsister "disowned" her and kicked her out of the family home. She went to work as a clerk in a shopping mall. Then some guy started coming around and flirting with her. He turned out to be a "pimp" and he told her she could make a lot of money doing you know what. So eventually she accepted his offer, and he fixed her up with a wealthy Brazilian who put her up for a year in her own apartment. After the year ended so did the relationship and she moved to Sao Paulo, and she began working in Scandallo where I met her a couple of months after Scandallo re-opened after covid peaked in Nov 2021.
The 2nd story is about my favorite Bomboa girl who is a very pretty girl with a voluptuous hourglass figure. If you ask her, she will say she is white, but I would not be surprised if there were a little something more in her gene pool. KKK. Not that I care. All I see is a beautiful girl who is incredibly sweet and amazingly warm & passionate in bed.
Anyway, it was again during the recent Brazilian elections when are. Told me her sad story: She was happily married to a "good" man living in RJ and had a baby. Her husband was a manager of some kind of convenience store like a Minuto, I guess. One night 2 hoodlums or gang members entered the store, attempted to rob it, and killed her husband. It doesn't get much worse than that IMHO and I believe her story is 100% true.
So, she moved in with her mother and began working at Bomboa in SP to support her family. She takes the bus or buys a cheap monthly air pass to come up to SP every Monday morning and travels back down to RJ every Friday night after midnight. She has an arrangement with Bomboa, and they put her up in a room.
So, one night we were having dinner upstairs in Bomboa's restaurant and some election news came on the TV, and she volunteered that she likes Jair Bolsonaro. I asked why? Although it is pretty easy to understand why from her history and point of view. She said Luiz Inácio Lula the Silva is criminal who lets all the criminals out of prison and that in her opinion, Jair Bolsonaro is a good man who is tough on crime and criminals and he cares about the people of Brazil. I am paraphrasing here, but essentially these are her words not mine.
And there you have it. To be sure, these are 2 anecdotal stories, but they are real. I find it an interesting coincidence that my 2 favorite Brazilian girls happen to be Bolsonaro supporters. Both girls were disappointed when he lost the election, especially are. And I can understand and empathize with her disappointment.
As a general rule I try to avoid discussing politics with the locals in any country I visit. Me too, but since none of us is a local, here goes.
1. Bolsonaro is a far-right demagogue and misogynist, basically Trump's mini-me who encouraged his people to disregard the dangers of Covid and refuse vaccination. Blood on his hands! Tons of it!
2. Both he and Lula have been involved in corruption schemes. It cracks me up when people single Lula out as a corruption champion, as if Bozo is a knight in shining armors. Shish!
That said, Lula, like most lefties, is pro-Russian and pro-Palestinian, so he'd never get my vote, but neither would Bozo. It's a curse being centrist nowadays.
I don't have to believe, agree with or disagree with her. She told me a lot more for me to understand her thinking. Obviously she is not the only one with that opinion. There is nothing really absolutely good or bad. Most opinions formed here are mostly based on some type of bias anyway. LOLDid she tell it to you as a joke or as a statement of fact? 'Cause it sounded like a statement of fact, to me. But you know what they say about "opinions"?
Of course she's entitled to her opinions, but anyone with some integrity would question those opinions, if they're based in lies, untruths, innuendo or just factually incorrect.
My question to you is do you know what made her say what she said?Dude, you were there, NOT ME! I think that's more a question you should have asked her. Especially, if YOU believe it to be a lie, untrue or incorrect!
So by NOT asking her said question, it all but implies, you absolutely believe what she said.
But I'm interested in hearing what those thoughts of hers were w/r to her opinions that "Lula never hold a job is his life"
Did she tell it to you as a joke or as a statement of fact? 'Cause it sounded like a statement of fact, to me. But you know what they say about "opinions"?
Of course she's entitled to her opinions, but anyone with some integrity would question those opinions, if they're based in lies, untruths, innuendo or just factually incorrect.
Dude, you were there, NOT ME! I think that's more a question you should have asked her. Especially, if YOU believe it to be a lie, untrue or incorrect!
So by NOT asking her said question, it all but implies, you absolutely believe what she said.
But I'm interested in hearing what those thoughts of hers were w/r to her opinions that "Lula never hold a job is his life" Do you consider being a "thief" a job? You took it too literally. She told me more than enough that I understand where she is coming from. I just listened and amused to see a completely different side of her.
Mr Enternational
02-19-24, 04:44
Bolsonaro is a far-right demagogue and misogynist, basically Trump's mini-me who encouraged his people to disregard the dangers of Covid and refuse vaccination. Blood on his hands! Tons of it!How? The virus pretty much affected the elderly and those with comorbidities. Pfizer also admitted that the vax was not tested for all the shit governments claimed it would do. One funny thing to me was that right before the US election when Trump announced there was a vaccine everyone called bullshit. Then as soon as Biden got into office and announced there was a vaccine everyone was like thank heavens. Personally I never took it and although I have asthma and was in every imaginable crevice during the pandemic, I got sick zero times. Meanwhile people that were going around scared getting vaxed 4 times and staying away from people and taking all the precautions ended up with the shit.
Do you consider being a "thief" a job? You took it too literally. She told me more than enough that I understand where she is coming from. I just listened and amused to see a completely different side of her.So it a JOKE then!
Yes, well I guess similar JOKES have been made about Trump, and ex-Pres Bozo. Naturally, everyone has their own variation or twist on said JOKE.
"You are more interesting when you talk about music and samba"
Thanks, much appreciated! But I can't take any real credit for music and samba, as there are way more Brazilian BMs here, that are more versed and knowledgeable on the subject than I.
No doubt, though I'm sure others will find your posts "interesting" too. since what some people find "interesting", can be most "subjective". But then again, that's the beauty of ISG, someone will typically find the "value" in almost anything, you have posted.
Me too, but since none of us is a local, here goes.
2. Both he and Lula have been involved in corruption schemes. I have a feeling every president in the history of Brasil has been involved in corruption schemes.
Axel Heyst
02-19-24, 13:43
Lula, like most lefties, is pro-Russian and pro-Palestinian, so he'd never get my vote, but neither would Bozo. It's a curse being centrist nowadays.I think most of us can agree here. Most politicians suck. It is the nature of the beast.
I think most of us can agree here. Most politicians suck. It is the nature of the beast.I think many of them are lawyers, and lawyers are similar to call girls in some aspects.
There are guys in my college group have nothing to talk about except politics. It drives the mild or the less outspoken classmates away from the group. Occasionally, I would go to the bathroom and sent a picture of my shits to the group. Or I would sent porn or pictures I have taken in that nature. Most are well established at the top of their profession. They could not do what I do so publicly. All my friends and classmates know I monger. I have seen and heard a lot. Last year, I met a group of tourists. One of them is a veteran and he had a strong political opinion while we were eating and he dominated the conversation. I am usually quiet. He then started to talk about a subject that I am certain I know far better than he did. I spoke, and he knew it and he said let's talk about it another time.
Explorer8939
02-19-24, 18:12
So, I am on a cruise ship off the coast of Brazil. 90%+ of the passengers are wealthy Brazilians. I am bunking with a Thai bargirl.
Most of the Brazilian ladies weigh twice as much as my bunkmate. There are maybe 1% stunners, the rest are heavily unattractive.
Brazil has gone downhill in recent years, as far as women go.
ThatIndianGuy1
02-19-24, 22:15
Hi,
I am travelling to Brazil. Do they still require Traveler Health Declaration (DSV)?
Thanks
How? The virus pretty much affected the elderly and those with comorbidities. Pfizer also admitted that the vax was not tested for all the shit governments claimed it would do. One funny thing to me was that right before the US election when Trump announced there was a vaccine everyone called bullshit. I have no idea what you're talking about. No sane people would call it bullshit. Covid almost did Trump in if you don't remember.
Then as soon as Biden got into office and announced there was a vaccine everyone was like thank heavens. Again, no idea what you're talking about. It was "thank heavens" because the vaccines saved lives, not because of Biden.
Personally I never took it and although I have asthma and was in every imaginable crevice during the pandemic, I got sick zero times. Meanwhile people that were going around scared getting vaxed 4 times and staying away from people and taking all the precautions ended up with the shit. Your experience: Covid is harmless for not "the elderly and those with comorbidities". My experience: it killed people (yes, I personally know people who have died from it or who got violently sick for months including in my own family).
However, our SINGULAR personal experiences mean exactly squat. You can walk all over Rocinha on your own and never have a problem. But you can't claim that this behavior is objectively safe. Your survival in Rosinha without an accident would be just one person's experience.
That's why scientific reasoning is based on massive amounts of data rather than on one or two personal experiences, thank god!
So "appropriately" speaking, might this be a good time take the COVID conversation and hash this out, over in the "Stupid Shit in Brazil" (SSIB) forum? Just asking!
Coincidentally, there is one other delightful COVID debater, just itching to "scratch his cojones", as it were, on this very subject. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4045-Stupid-Shit-in-Brazil&p=2895268&viewfull=1#post2895268
Enjoy!
PS: BTW, I personally, won't be offended, should you wish to continue the convo, here! I'll enjoy reading your thoughts on the subject in either forum.
I have a feeling every president in the history of Brasil has been involved in corruption schemes.Yes, but for some reason only Lula gets singled out, as if there wouldn't be any corruption without Lula in Brazil.
UniversalX
02-20-24, 07:58
Hi,
I am travelling to Brazil. Do they still require Traveler Health Declaration (DSV)?
ThanksYour airline may ask you about something similar (questions) prior to being able to check-in. As far as a document from the Brazilian government the answer is No.
So check with airline after ticket purchase.
JohnnyWalker55
02-20-24, 13:31
Exactly! Why do they need to see $2,000? What purpose does it serve? Most people traveling from the US exceed that in airfare and lodging alone. A return flight confirmation makes perfect sense. But there is no real need for bank statements.Agreed, just an arbitrary number made by a dimwitted bureaucrat, no logic or reason behind it. I don't mind tbh, as it will keep the "passport bros" at bay so that rio doesn't turn into the sh*tshow that medellin has become.
I'll be photoshopping a bank statement on one of those online banks, like chime or sofi, and submitting that. Just like with the vax passports when life gives you lemons.
... Coincidentally, there is one other delightful COVID debater, just itching to "scratch his cojones", as it were, on this very subject. .Spidy, don't be shy, go.
Axel Heyst
02-20-24, 17:40
I think many of them are lawyers, and lawyers are similar to call girls in some aspects.
There are guys in my college group have nothing to talk about except politics. It drives the mild or the less outspoken classmates away from the group. Occasionally, I would go to the bathroom and sent a picture of my shits to the group. Or I would sent porn or pictures I have taken in that nature. Most are well established at the top of their profession. They could not do what I do so publicly. All my friends and classmates know I monger. I have seen and heard a lot. Last year, I met a group of tourists. One of them is a veteran and he had a strong political opinion while we were eating and he dominated the conversation. I am usually quiet. He then started to talk about a subject that I am certain I know far better than he did. I spoke, and he knew it and he said let's talk about it another time.Most lawyers are the kind of people I prefer to avoid in social situations, but once upon a time, I found myself in a tough legal situation where I really needed the help of an honest lawyer. Thankfully I have two highly competent trial lawyers in my family, and they bailed me out of this perilous financial problem I was having thanks to the financial maneuverings of a large corporate real estate firm which was in the process ripping me off. My legal team went to war against the Goliath and beat them down to size in court saving me thousands and thousands of dollars.
Moving on to a more pleasant topic of conversation I. E. Entertainment: check out "Rake" an Australian streaming comedy show starring Richard Roxburgh in the title role. The story line is about the meanderings of an irreverent, mongering, gambling, cocaine sniffing, attorney. He has an ex-wife who is on to him, a prostitute girlfriend who lives with another man, and a secretary who is stealing from him and he will shag any good-looking girl that crosses his path, but in court he is a brilliant, sometimes shady, rogue, defender. It is the funniest comedy I have seen in over a decade. I originally saw it on Amazon Prime, but I don't think it is available there anymore. Too bad! Search it out. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1587000/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_4_nm_4_q_rake.
Politically correct Hollywood tried to rip off the Australian show with a sanitized American version. Avoid the American version. It is just not funny.
Moving on to a more pleasant topic of conversation I. E. Entertainment: check out "Rake" an Australian streaming comedy show starring Richard Roxburgh in the title role. The story line is about the meanderings of an irreverent, mongering, gambling, cocaine sniffing, attorney. He has an ex-wife who is on to him, a prostitute girlfriend who lives with another man, and a secretary who is stealing from him and he will shag any good-looking girl that crosses his path, but in court he is a brilliant, sometimes shady, rogue, defender. It is the funniest comedy I have seen in over a decade. I originally saw it on Amazon Prime, but I don't think it is available there anymore. Too bad! Search it out. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1587000/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_4_nm_4_q_rake.
Politically correct Hollywood tried to rip off the Australian show with a sanitized American version. Avoid the American version. It is just not funny.Rake is delightful, especially the first 3 seasons, but the rest are good, too. Easily in the top 10 TV comedies I've ever seen.
Interestingly, Hollywood remakes almost never work with very rare exceptions (Office and Shameless are quite good, but still not as good as originals). Can't duplicate brilliance, I guess.
This is the translation of the beginning part of a Brazilian song, I think by POCAH. I found it on Apple Music but you should be able to find it on Youtube. Let me know if you are thinking what I am thinking.
I won't do anything you don't want
I'll tease you until you want
Open your mouth, close your eyes, I have a surprise
Trust me, you won't regret it
I'm going to put something crazy in your mouth
You will taste the pleasure
I'm going to do it slowly, like that
In slow motion that macetin'
You can find this on Youtube with subtitle. you have to watch the video while listening to this song to get the contrast.
Lets go passengers
Pay attention to what's important
Life is hard and we work work work
To get paid little money
I think they are able to live in the moment while I live in fear. LOL. I was approached by a girl to ask me to join her and her two friends a few days ago while walking to a concert. I was scared thinking they were going to rob me. During carnival, there was an older woman who was all over me. All I could think of was "Was she going to pick my pocket?" LOL.
.... Next time, I am going take over the machine and do it myself. That was actually the instruction on the machine.....Almost forgot to snap this picture.
Mr Enternational
02-26-24, 03:29
Almost forgot to snap this picture.In English too. I would ask the cashier how the machine knows USD is my currency. I guess the banks and credit card machine people figure that if people don't mind giving away money to the airport money exchange places, then why not hold their hands out too.
Bankrupt but still flying: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/brazilian-airline-gol-gets-court-approval-1-bln-bankruptcy-loan-2024-02-28/
The Critic
02-29-24, 07:02
In English too. I would ask the cashier how the machine knows USD is my currency. I guess the banks and credit card machine people figure that if people don't mind giving away money to the airport money exchange places, then why not hold their hands out too.The cards are coded from where the cards are issued. In addition, the payment system recognizes the from where (country) the card was issued.
In English too. I would ask the cashier how the machine knows USD is my currency. I guess the banks and credit card machine people figure that if people don't mind giving away money to the airport money exchange places, then why not hold their hands out too.The casher made the selection before I got to it today. I was charged for 120 for something the costs 100. It was like just downstairs so I went back during lunch. They refunded the money and said I would get 20% discount if I have CPF. I ended up paying 80. So there you go, CPF can give you discount. I rounded the number up and down and just trying to get the point across without writing more detail.
This is another version. Press Red twice.
This morning I saw the USD menu came up on the credit card terminal while paying for breakfast, I immediately put up my hands and say don't move so the waitress did not touch the machine. LOL. I laughed because I over reacted. Haha.
Tonight I tried to pretend I am calm when I saw the USD menu again when paying for dinner. The waitress hand was so fast that she just hit Accept before I realized what was going on. Then I saw the USD 35 notification on my phone. I googled the conversion and showed the waitress the BRL amount and the amount on the bill. She understood and called the accountant or manager for a refund, and selected 2 to charge in BRL this time. It came thru as 30 USD.
The Critic
03-13-24, 07:09
This morning I saw the USD menu came up on the credit card terminal while paying for breakfast, I immediately put up my hands and say don't move so the waitress did not touch the machine. LOL. I laughed because I over reacted. Haha.
Tonight I tried to pretend I am calm when I saw the USD menu again when paying for dinner. The waitress hand was so fast that she just hit Accept before I realized what was going on. Then I saw the USD 35 notification on my phone. I googled the conversion and showed the waitress the BRL amount and the amount on the bill. She understood and called the accountant or manager for a refund, and selected 2 to charge in BRL this time. It came thru as 30 USD.It may be helpful for you to list the establishments that do this OR better yet have you had a discussion with the establishments and ask them why they do this? Is it some policy or just a little greed (just to get the few extra dollars).
In a way it seems like customer profiling to me. I am sure the CARD when entered informs them as to which currency (country) the card was issued in. If they are doing prior to CARD entry, then only by speaking or asking for an English menu would they have a slight clue as to your origins.
1. I am sure there are US Born Brazilians (with US passports) with US Based credit cards, who speak perfect Portuguese, would the waiter/establishment change the credit card terminal (like your experiencing) as well??
2. Are they doing this to Canadians, Europeans, Asians, and etc. who have their respective country Credit/Debit Cards.
3. Are you using a Debit Card or Credit Card for these transactions/purchases?
4. Have you discussed this with your Debit Card or Credit Card issuer to get their input on this practice?
The casher made the selection before I got to it today. I was charged for 120 for something the costs 100. It was like just downstairs so I went back during lunch. They refunded the money and said I would get 20% discount if I have CPF. I ended up paying 80. So there you go, CPF can give you discount. I rounded the number up and down and just trying to get the point across without writing more detail.
This is another version. Press Red twice.Getting CPF is easy (I have one). But how would you enter the CPF into the bill, and what kind of discount is it? Any details?
It may be helpful for you to list the establishments that do this OR better yet have you had a discussion with the establishments and ask them why they do this? Is it some policy or just a little greed (just to get the few extra dollars).LOL, of course it's greed. I would say in my experience 20-30% of all establishments try this, and that's the ones I've caught (in honesty, I don't always remember to check for DCC). This is a legalized scam that should be outlawed everywhere, and I honestly don't understand why regulators all over the world allow this BS. I guess separating a tourist from (more of) his money is too alluring for them, LOL.
... In a way it seems like customer profiling to me. ..It's like the ATM that you see a conversion menu when it detects it's a US card. It's pervasive in Sao Paulo that I run into it at least once a day. The drug store will probably have it. They get a percentage kickback. I use credit card. Once you leave Sao Paulo, it becomes less frequent. I only encountered it at one establishment for the past month or so.
I don't think the terminal would make a difference because it's the same menu and you still need to select the currency.
ATMs in this city don't accept my card, not even Bradesco ATM. I never saw the USD menu came up there because practically there was no foreigner.
Getting CPF is easy (I have one). But how would you enter the CPF into the bill, and what kind of discount is it? Any details?...I wrote an instruction on how to get CPF here. I skipped that detail to keep it short. In this case it's the promotional discount that you see in the store. The displayed discount is only given when you provide a CPF. They even told me it did not have to be my CPF.
I saw a third kind of terminal after lunch. It works more like ATM that you must decline.
The basic rule is don't select default (1, green or accept), decline (2, red, decline) if you are not sure.
Mr Enternational
03-14-24, 00:59
Getting CPF is easy (I have one). But how would you enter the CPF into the bill, The cashier types it in.
I wrote an instruction on how to get CPF here. I skipped that detail to keep it short. In this case it's the promotional discount that you see in the store. The displayed discount is only given when you provide a CPF. They even told me it did not have to be my CPF.Yeah. While in SP I used the CPF of a Brazilian acquaintance to get the discount price in pharmacies. The assumption was, I guess, that I was buying meds for her. Shopping for someone else is normal. I wanted to use her CPF as well to get a Claro SIM. This time it didn't work. Claro told me she had to show up in person.
I wrote an instruction on how to get CPF here. I skipped that detail to keep it short. In this case it's the promotional discount that you see in the store. The displayed discount is only given when you provide a CPF. They even told me it did not have to be my CPF.Oh yeah, I remember now. Your instruction was top notch and I got it easily. Thanks, if I didn't thank you before.
The cashier types it in.So, the question to both of you: when you see there is a discount at a store or restaurant, this is when you mention you have a CPF?
... Thanks, if I didn't thank you before.
So, the question to both of you: when you see there is a discount at a store or restaurant, this is when you mention you have a CPF?You are too polite. I smiled. Thanks.
I think the clerk will ask you for CPF. If you know there is a discount and wasn't asked, you can tell them when they show you the price they are going to charge.
I went back to that same restaurant and now the girl knows me. She charged me correctly and proudly told me to check my phone. haha. She now knows my Portuguese is better than her English so she is not trying to speak English to me. I think I can understand Portuguese better when I am not with Brazilian.
If you stay for a longer time in Rio de Janeiro you'll propably make lots of purchases in supermarkets. In Copacabana it's a good idea to register as a client at supermarkets like Zona Sul, Pão de Açúcar and Princesa Supermercados. If you have a CPF you can register very quickly. You'll get plenty of discounts, e. G a 20% discount on a bottle of wine. Just tell the cashier that you are "cadastrado" and digit your CPF.
Pharmacies and lots of stores gives discount to members. Usually you'll get the discount by just giving your CPF, and tell them you'll register another day.
Another way of getting discounts are by paying with cash. Tell the cashier you'll pay with cash instead of card or PIX. You'll propably get a 10% discount. This works most easily with smaller shops and not the big ones like Lojas Americanas etc. I always get discounts at hotels when paying with cash. Even some puteiros have discounts when paying with cash.
You are too polite. I smiled. Thanks.
I think the clerk will ask you for CPF. If you know there is a discount and wasn't asked, you can tell them when they show you the price they are going to charge.
I went back to that same restaurant and now the girl knows me. She charged me correctly and proudly told me to check my phone. haha. She now knows my Portuguese is better than her English so she is not trying to speak English to me. I think I can understand Portuguese better when I am not with Brazilian.Thanks, good to know!
I once wifed up for a few days with a girl who knew maybe 5 words in English, but she always insisted on zapping me in English (after I taught her how to use the translate function). She was very proud of herself, LOL.
If you stay for a longer time in Rio de Janeiro you'll propably make lots of purchases in supermarkets. In Copacabana it's a good idea to register as a client at supermarkets like Zona Sul, Po de Acar and Princesa Supermercados. If you have a CPF you can register very quickly. You'll get plenty of discounts, e. G a 20% discount on a bottle of wine. Just tell the cashier that you are "cadastrado" and digit your CPF.
Pharmacies and lots of stores gives discount to members. Usually you'll get the discount by just giving your CPF, and tell them you'll register another day.
Another way of getting discounts are by paying with cash. Tell the cashier you'll pay with cash instead of card or PIX. You'll propably get a 10% discount. This works most easily with smaller shops and not the big ones like Lojas Americanas etc. I always get discounts at hotels when paying with cash. Even some puteiros have discounts when paying with cash.Good post. (scroll down to one of your prevoius posts with a spelling mishap, 'neckless' instead of 'necklace', LOL.).
The extortionate price of accommodation in SP is a turn-off in any protracted mongering holiday. Am I right in assuming that all else equal, Rio is better in that respect? I haven't set foot in Rio over the last two decades.
The extortionate price of accommodation in SP is a turn-off in any protracted mongering holiday. Am I right in assuming that all else equal, Rio is better in that respect? I haven't set foot in Rio over the last two decades.I think Rio is not better. It has a smaller supply.
The third type. This is the type with the invoice builtin and can record order. The sensor is at the bottom so they will turn the terminal upside down to read your card.
Eszpresszo
03-20-24, 23:26
The extortionate price of accommodation in SP is a turn-off in any protracted mongering holiday. Am I right in assuming that all else equal, Rio is better in that respect? I haven't set foot in Rio over the last two decades.Did it ever occur to you that there are more than two major population centers in Brazil? I suggest you look at a map and bear in mind that prostitution is pervasive throughout South America, but especially throughout Brazil.
Did it ever occur to you that there are more than two major population centers in Brazil? I suggest you look at a map and bear in mind that prostitution is pervasive throughout South America, but especially throughout Brazil.Very well but how relevant is this to the price of accommodation in Rio vs SP?
Eszpresszo
03-24-24, 04:32
Very well but how relevant is this to the price of accommodation in Rio vs SP?You've obviously never spent much time in Brazil or done much traveling anywhere.
It's not a secret that a) hotels are the most expensive means of accommodation in any country b) SP and Rio are the most expensive cities in Brazil. C) The cost of everything in SP is double that of most other cities in the nation, if you are to believe what Brazilians tell you (and you wallet tells you, as well).
If you are staying for a prolonged period, then look for accommodations that offer weekly or monthly rates. In may residential areas of Brazilian cities you will see apartment buildings that advertise "Aluga-se, Kitnet" offering "semanal" and "mensal" rates. Some pensions offer short term rates (see attached photo of a place around corner from my AirBnb) Oh, have you ever heard of AirBnB? Many apartments on AirBnb have weekly discounts, Then there are also ads for short-term apartments on OLX.com, which an Uber driver told me about.
As for overall costs, the price of punting varies significantly throughout the nation, but you asking about the price of accommodations, which is only part of the picture. If you can't figure out what all this is pointing to, I can't help you. But, somehow I doubt you are going to all these destinations you post about. So, it won't make much difference anyways, right?
You've obviously never spent much time in Brazil or done much traveling anywhere.Gee man, take it easy, will you? The guy asked about hotel pricing in Rio vs. SP. For someone who doesn't visit often, a totally legit question. Instead you're lecturing him using pointless generalities about how hotel prices are more expensive than other options (which is NOT always true, BTW).
Hello To All,
Wanted to use Seeking Arrangement prior to a trip for pre-planning but wanted to find out from the experiences of the experts on this board:
Primarily --1. Do I need to sign-up and pay -up for the SA? Or can I use the free version of SA and still get the information needed from the prospects?
2. Any lessons learned from the group that they can share?
Thank you.
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