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Hey Ceylon1 - great report on the Prives!
I will be in S.P. on an upcoming weekend - can you say anything regarding Saturday and Sunday, vs. weekdays, for the places you visited?
Great reports, Ceylon1 -- I've heard about that 8 story bothel before, too. Funny.
Well, my 11 week trip is coming to an end. It's been nice spending this last week in Sao Paulo. At one point mid-week, I think I stretched 11 girls in 3 days. All of them VERY FINE -- and mostly all of them for under 200R.
I guess my routine is a fairly simple one. I hit the clubs below the Hilton Centro (Ave. Bento Freitas) and pull a girl out of there if the mood hits. The best club there is My Love (I've talked about it before), with a 30R bar fine and most girls asking about 100R for sex. There are two part-time models who work there pretty regularly. By the way, My Love is open Sundays and is an excellent choice for this (limited) day.
Anyway, as I've said, I either get numbers for the next afternoon-early evening, or take a girl out right there. Also, it's good to tell those girls that I have at least a vague interest in that I'll end up late-night at "Love Story," the large working girl disco to the left of the Hilton Centro. I try to stock that pond at every club I go to in the middle evening.
So, it's usually about 1030-11, and I'm leaving My Love with either phone numbers (for the following afternoon) or a girl for a quickie. If I'm alone, I head to the next boite-strip -- on the other side of the Hilton (5 min.) and up the street a bit (sorry I don't have street names for this place -- but it's VERY EASY to find).
This next street has about 7 clubs on it (and it's a generally nicer area than the run-down boite scene behind the Hilton) -- the best 3 being "Cocktail Club," "Viao Pagao" (I know I mispelled that), and the famous "Kilt Club."
Each of these clubs has about 50 girls working on busy nights, with Saturdays being slow (just like all other boites in Brasil on that night) -- but by no means bad. You can expect to see about 20 girls, almost no guys, and lotsa discounts (on these slow nights). And man, the girls are FUCKING CUTE here. Best in Brasil. No doubt abou it -- I'VE SPORTED IN ABOUT EVERY CITY IN THIS COUNTRY, and can say without a doubt that the scene in Sao Paulo (and this strip in particular) is the best. Rio can eat my shorts.
Continuing, drinks are about club-priced, and exit fees are 30R. Kilt has little boothes upstairs for quickies (every thing goes). Girls tend to ask 200R -- but I've talked all but one down to 150 (but she was another model and worth the extra 50R). Kilt is open Sunday (and has a good, quiet little scene on this day).
Incidentally, I actually got a freebie out of Cocktail. I went back to a girl's apartment there in the mid-evening (about 11) to smoke a joint and buy another from her. I paid for the bar-fine and the taxi, smoked a little and started smooching. She said, "tonight you are my inamorado." Pretty cool.
So, I've canvassed these three clubs, getting numbers, telling them to wind up at Love Story, or taking them out for another 1 hour jaunt (I don't like all-nighters).
The next strip is about another 5 minutes up Rua Agosta. You'll seen the boite "Big Ben's" when standing in front of Kilts. It is up that street.
This street is a little lower than the Kilt scene, but a little higher than the Hilton scene. Personal safety, I believe, is pretty good in all three areas, though. I wouldn't be overly concerned.
My same policy is in effect, here: canvas for numbers, Love Story rendez-vous, or hour-or-so quickies.
Now, if I spot someone that's 1 in a 1000, I'll spend the whole night with her, etc., and maybe a little food the next day. Girlfriends are o.k., I guess -- God knows it wouldn't be difficult to pin ANY of these girls down for a weekend -- but I just get bored and live for variety.
So, on a perfect day, I start out with an afternooner via a number I got from the previous night. I always talk price and wants BEFORE I get the number, so when I call the conversation is just the "when" and "where." (Usually about 4 p.m. in front of Love Story Disco (which is closed in the afternoon, but makes an excellent reference point)). One down.
When done, I return to my hotel, read a little, have a beer or two, maybe take a nap (haha!), and then shower, dinner and out for the night. Getting 1, 2 or even 3 girls at this point in the evening (about 1030-11) is no problem.
This is the way I like to do it, anyway.
People talk a lot about Bomboa, Cafe Foto, Bahamas (which is another place open on Sundays) -- but the entrance fine to these place is high, the girls aren't really that much better, and it's a whole lot tougher to turn over the kind of numbers that I enjoy.
Bomboa, Foto and Bahamas might be better places to spend the whole evening drinking, taking a girl out for the night at about 1-2 a.m. (whenever) and having her sleep over. This is the standard routine adopted by many sportsman. It's just not my thing. No big deal (though I'll probably hit Foto tonight just for the fun of it -- and pay that fucking 160R!!! entrance fee. Sigh. The girls here, though, might be the finest working girls on the planet -- my working models here (and many more who claim to be working models!).
So for a fun weekend, get ready to do a little work on Friday night. Go to the clubs and get some numbers. Go to all of the clubs first (if you don't know them well), and pick your girl after you've had a chance to take a look at all of them. Tell the girl what you want, make sure they're reasonably happy (grouchy, bossy programa girls SUCK!), and don't lie. If you don't want her (even after an hour of talking to her), go ahead and tell her as gently at you can. Lies always come back to haunt me on following nights -- remember this is their turf.
I tend to take the girls back to a favorite quick-time hotel. It's called "Grand Hotel" -- big red sign on the first side-street to you left walking up-hill from the Hilton. It looks a little skid-row, but it's safe, clean and cheap: 20R, and the owner has not even raised an eyebrow after bringing about 25 girls through there in 6 days (think about that).
I don't like taking girls back to my hotel room. You have no power there. They can pinch your shit, and god forbid the girl is a scammer, it's tougher to kick her out of your room than it is to walk out from a room who's (cheap) price you can afford to eat.
This little narrative is just one slice of potential action in a city that's almost infinite in its capacity to provide action for the discriminating sportsman. It's astounding and a best kept secret. Keep it to yourselves, my friends -- keep this place ripe and don't let it get "Rio-ized." Always negotiate price as close as you can to half of that originally quoted by the girl (but at this point I just tell them what I want to pay -- thus beating them to the punch), watch your shit, don't drink from cans/bottles/glasses that you haven't had an eagle-eye on when alone with her, AND ENJOY THIS UNIQUE CITY!
Happy Hunting,
JWadd
Hola,
Being a newbie on WSG, my thanks to all you senior members. I have read all your reports & learned from them.
SPERTO
Muito Obrigardo for your positive comments re my report.
I believe that a report should have enough information for the next guy to find the place.
Infor such as - "in SP, I went to a Boite near Rua Augusta" followed by glossy details like - "I licked her pussy & she rimmed me" - are IMHO irrelavant. We dont want to know, how you performed. Just tell us how to get there. Additional infor, such as if it is a "rip off" place, quality of Garotas & prices are welcomed.
LEO
All the Prive's I mentioned are opened on Saturdays. Prive at Alameda Joaquim Eugenio de Lima 1674 - also open on Sundays - but had only 5 garotas working on the sabbath.
All the Clinica's are open on Saturdays - one opened on Sunday, forgot which one.
JWADD
Like you, I too prefer variety & quality. - non-stop action from afternoon to night. All night GFE & being with the same Garotas for days are not my thing. I did that BS when I was married & also with my ex-fiancee.
Now at 65 yrs of age - (looks a lot younger) - & 2 major heart surgeries, (including surgery just 7 months ago ), I am trying to "meet" as many females before I depart this world.
Regards - perhaps we will meet some day.
Ceylon1 ( WorldTraveller aka Charles )
JW,
Terrific post. Sounds like an excellent weekend plan!
My Portuguese isn't up to having real conversations so that's going to be a challenge. I might have to write up all the key bits ahead of time, get them them translated, and pretend I'm an illiterate deaf-mute (grin).
The harder the hunt, the sweeter the meat!
Easy Go
Another good report, thanks!
JWadd,
great report!
Ceylon,
Edificio Italiaia sounds like good fun.
A "Vila Mimosa" inside a 8 story building. Wow!
JWadd, Ceylon1, Off2Golf, Moondog, et al
Been away from the action for 'too long' - my last trip was late August. Anyhoo, have been catching up on the scene with your various expert reports (esp informative ones from Ceylon1 aka Charles)
I will be arriving in SP on Sunday to stay for 1 week. I know a little bit my way around and will probably hook up with my regular GFE around Thursday or so for the duration of my stay. Trying to maximize my pleasure before settling down with just the one. Any pointers for FUN on Sunday and Monday?
JWadd - taking your advice and probably hitting MY LOVE. Can you have sex with a girl on the premises or is it take out only. Do you have the address to the Grand Hotel?
Ceylon1 - I am definitely printing out your reports and bringing them with me for reference!
Enjoy everyone,
Almotu
Almotu,
Take a walk along Rua Augusta. Start at Rua Polista with your back towards two banks on the corner of Rua Augusta ad Rua Polista. Walk across the street and start downhill on Rua Augusta. If you see a McDonalds, you are gong the wrong way, turn around and go down the hill the other way.
Do this late afternoon on any day but Sunday, and as you walk towards the bottom of Augusta, you will pass many Sauna/Mistas or Relax Clubs, or American Bars(translation, a place to get laid), and many of the girls will be out in the street just walking, and it is very easy to strike up a conversation and just go to any one of the local hotels for an hour or so.
When you get to the bottom, you will see the Kilt to your left and up the street. It looks like a castle from the outside. As you are walking towards the Kilt, look to your left, and you will see a building with some Roman pillars on the outside, with the number 47 on the outside of the building. That is Terma Square, and around 5:00 or so, they have a nice setup of cold cuts and cheese, as well as about 5 beautiful girls in there. Go check it out.
At night, do the normal routine of Bomboa, Kilt and surrounding clubs, Love Story, and the others. Check out Ceylon1's places as well during the day.
You could hit a new club, massage place, Terma, every night for three to four nights out of the week, for six months, and still not even begin to touch what is available in Sao Paulo.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
Thanks for the nice words, guys.
Almotu:
My Love is take-out only. Remember, this place is on a seedy street (though reasonably safe) -- so don't be too discouraged by the initial book-by-the-cover thing. Lotsa cute girls inside.
I'll get the address to Grand Hotel tonight. Remember, this place is also on a seedy little side-street (very close to My Love and Hilton Centro), but the rooms are great if basic, hot water all the time, free condoms, gel, clean towels and sheets, very fast check-in -- and all for 20R. It's absolutely the best quick-time motel in Centro. Make it your harem!
Easy Go:
Have a great time, man. Getting better action than you ever could have imagined in this city is as easy as falling down.
Ceylon1:
Great reports. I hope we cross paths someday. Keep up the good work for MANY more years, my friend!
Grand Hotel:
I totally forgot to get a card from them when I was there last night. It`s really easy to find, though:
Walk uphill from the front door of the Centro Hilton (to your left if your facing the front door), and the hotel is basically on the corner of the first side street you come to on your right. I know I said "on your left" in the post below -- but the side street will be on your right.
The 8 story brothel is apparently Cafe Millennium. That`s what a (seemingly reliable) cabby said. Also, he quoted about 90R entrance to the place. Apparently there`re hundreds of girls here. Can`t confirm any of this -- I didn`t go. Next time.
Sitting here at the Sao Paulo airport waiting to return to the States after 77 days down here. Bittersweet, man, bittersweet. Shed a tear and light a candle for your brother. We`ll party next time I`m down here in about a year (if the H.I.V. test comes back negative!!). Haha and opa!
Happy hunting and it`s been fun,
JWadd
JWadd,
Here, here! You deserve a 21 gun salute! How did you manage to stay that long? Are you independently wealthy? Did the customs people give you a hassle? On the visa for Brazil you can only stay for 90days max per calendar year, correct? I guess if I can find My Love then I can ask the staff there concerning Grand Hotel.
I was basically asking because I know Sundays are bad for the hobby, true?
Where do you call home in the States? just curious :-)
All the best,
Almotu
Genghis Khan
11-21-03, 09:42
JWadd,
Take a look at this website. www.cafemillenium.com.br. I have never been there, but it looks like a really high-end place by the looks of the exterior. Will visit during january.
GK
Genghis Khan
11-21-03, 10:42
Does anyone have any experiences staying at the Gran Estanplaza Berrini? Is this a girl friendly hotel? It looks very nice and the rooms have private terraces.
GK
JWADD
Hola - your Cabby's infor is wrong - he has mixed up the places.
"8 floors of *****s " is a cheapo place - no entrance, unless you consider the R1 to take the elevator. No inhouse charge for room & Garoras from R10 to R20.
Cafe Millienium if a up market expensive place - entrance is R90 + 10% service charge = R99 - but that includes some drinks.. in house room/exit charge R50 or 60 & Garotas charge R200.
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Ceylon1 (World Traveller aka Charles)
SAO PAULO - Porno Theatre - Garota,s give actual - HJ's, BJ's, & Sexo !!
Having survived the "8 floors of *****s", walked back to the corner of -
AV SAO JOAO & AV IPIRANGA - from here on to another block north of Av Ipiranga on to AV RIO BRANCO & AV IPIRANGA.
Noted that there were many Porno Movie Theatres on both intersections. From the posters it was obvious that a couple of theatres were showing "yikes...ugh" Gay movies. The others were showing regular Phono movies. But I have not seen a phono movie for decades, why see phono, when I can have fabulous sex with a fantastaic cute young girl on a monger trip.
Walking by, noted a bikini clad cute Garota come out of a theatre & bid a client farewell. Yet another bikini clad Garota joins in. Stopped in by tracks and deceided to investigate.
Grim looking old lady at the ticket booth was about my age. Smiled, pointed at the bikini clad Garotas and said "lindo bonita". Old lady glares at me with a look that said - "all you old bastards, prefer younger chicks".
Entrance R4. Garotas have gone in, entered a small dark lobby, walked in to the mid sized teatro, less than 30 patrons. Back row to my right, a BJ was in progress & at the same time a BJ was on the screen - Surreal!
Sat about 4th row down, noted 6 Garotas circulating among the rows of seats.
A ugly fat old Garota appears, I wave her away.
Soon a so-so grade 6 or 7, slim bikini clad Garota appears, with a box of tissues in her hand.
Sits next to me and do a sales talk. Cannot hear/undestand due to the sex sounds of the loud sound track.
Make hand signals, that I cannot hear - she makes hand signals that-
HJ is R10
BJ is R20
Then shouts in my ear, pointing to my chair, that sexo "aqui" (here) is R30.
Points her finger towards the exit, saying sexo "la" (there) is R35.
The chairs look mighty uncomfortable & the public location is not that suitable for good sex.
I point my finger towards the ceiling and shouts "la"
(I am not that shy, having been a participant in a 6 guy & 6 Garota, "Festinha"/Orgy in Dec 2002 in Rio )
On the way to the lobby, noted a sexo "aqui" going on in another row. A client was humping a Garota sitting on his lap.
Via the lobby to small dim cubicle with a bed. Luana (about 25 yrs) takes off her bikini, I managed to pull off my shirt. Points out a couple of patches on the bed. Luana walks out naked & comes back with a couple of dirty towels, that she lays down to cover the patches. Empty condon wrappers on the floor, looks like the cleaning lady has a day off.
I cannot even get myself to take off my shoes, let alone my pants. Garota points towards my pants. I pull Luana towards me and fondle her boobs. She leans forward and offers me a "taste treat" of her left boob. Thoughts of, how many other tongues have "licked those tits" without a wash, race thru my mind. No way.
Put Luana on the bed & give her a long back massage, that she appreciated. She again points towards my pants & then at the watch. I answer back - "ishtaben, vamos", (its Ok lets go). Put on my shirt & gives her a goodbye hug. The look on Luana's face said - "easy money, from another dirty old man"
2 "failures" today. Outside, kept on walking North on Av Ipiranga.
Next posting - another cheapo sex area near Praca da Luz.
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Ceylon1 (WorldTraveller aka Charles)
GK,
I wrote about this place in a previous post about 3 months ago. It is truly a modern high end place. I personally have not been to Bahamas nor Cafe Foto yet but I think the facilities are comparable. When I was there it was fairly new (forgot which day of the week it was), there were about 20-30 girls working. The strip shows were very good. On the night I went I ran into a girl that I had before from American Show (?) She remembered me so she was very friendly and we agreed on a session for R$200 plus the room fee which was R$50. Everything payable on credit card which was good. When you enter they give you an electronic card key that the management can swipe in a reader for everything from the girl, drinks, sauna and the room. VERY HIGH TECH. The rooms are located in the tower that you seen on the website or brochure - they are just like hotel rooms. The rooms are nice and included a hot tub. I would go back and check out the scene with another buddy or two. It should be better now.
Almotu
Concerning the Cafe Millenium,
It is one of the nicest places I have ever been to enjoy the company of a lady. I wrote a review a couple of months ago and I will tell you that on that evening, I met one of the most phsically attractive lady I have ever known. It is a bit pricey for the local market, but as a rule has a high talent level. The only down side for me was they really seemed to try and discourage takng the ladies out , since they have facilities on premesis and it cuts into the time the ladies can spend on the floor. Well worth a visit that is for sure!!
Here is a 'cut and paste' of my posting with respect to Cafe Millenium. (I visited in late October).
Main facility has the bar which is fairly long covering entire wall of the hall and two stages – one in right smack in middle and one on one end of the hall. Opposite side of the bar is built-in seating areas against the walls at two levels – high and inner vs. lower and outer. There are tables on the floor between two walls – seating area and bar. Main facility has very high ceiling in theater style which creates optical perception of bigger than what it really is.
Garotas are mainly transported from other parts of Brazil and live in the facility. Someone posted that Connection, Millennium and Bacoa are owned by same person or people. A garota who was with me said that she had worked in Bacoa for two years and transferred to Millennium about a month ago. So I guess garotas are being circulated among three clubs.
Cover charge is R$70.00 which each patron consumes it. Room is R$50.00 and R$150.00 for garota. As it was on Monday, there were not many patrons (may be 15 at top) at the club while there were about 40 to 50 garotas at peak – 12:00 midnight to 1:00 a.m. As the club was slow and we are the only group came as a group and having great fun, many garotas came by to have fun with us. Several garotas put free strip shows on the center stage for us and some of them were quite impressively good. They came down to our table and grinded their naked behind or pussy against the member of each of us. That gave me easy hard-on. I wish strip joints in US offered some of those talents.
Since garotas live in the compound, it is very discouraged to take the girl out. Bar fine is R$200.00, yes R$200.00. The girl I had (Diana) easily exceeded my requirements except fake blond which I don’t care much. She is little short (5’3” may be) and has great untouched tits (between C and D), perfect behind, great body shape and genuinely cute face. 23 years old, married once but no kid, and best of all, she got the attitude that I like – no motor mouth, no alcohol, no push sales talk, proactively responding body to my hands, and great smile. She gave me her mobile number to call her upon my return to SP. I wish she spoke a bit of English so the session would be more fun.
JWadd,
It is pity that I did not have a chance to hook up with you while you were in Latin America for seventy plus days.
I visited SP twice during your visit but either you were in Rio or other countries. In any case, I'm glad to hear you had great time and scored more garotas than anyone I know.
Do you have final tally on garotas?
I remember that you would consider to open a business in Rio or some place in Brazil. Did this trip confirm or invalidate the thought?
In any way, my hat is off to you!
Enjoy your life when you can.
O2G
Ceylon1,
I envy your energy, staminar and sexual drive. I wish I would have some of yours. In any case, I truly appreicate your postings and information in Sao Paulo. I do visit SP often but have not had opportunity to survey the sex scenes in detail as you have done.
How often do you go to SP, Brazil?
Hope there is an opportunity to meet with you someday in future.
I just got back home from Netherlands and Ireland. I have seen great and (some are stunning) looking women in Amsterdam and Dublin, but no women in either city were like garotas in SP or Rio.
O2G
Thanks to all the recent posters on the low and high end of Sao Paulo. There is something there for everybody, and this is all good information.
Thanks again,
Moondog
Hey Moondog--
Just a quick thank you for all of your excellent advice on this (and the other CH board).
I make my first trip to SP and Rio in December and I must say that one of the main reasons for my journey is because of your thoughtful insights and reports.
One question (because I don't recall ever reading your opinion about this). Could you compare SP/Rio vs BA in regards to your personal safety.
I know that you know BA extremely well (as do I). And I never feel unsafe there.
So the question is -- when you're out maurauding at night in SP (or Rio) with your limited Portuguese. Do you feel much more "unsafe" than you typically do in BA.
Your reports seem like you're having the time of your life. And really don't give a second thought to crime. (Almost as if SP were as safe as BA).
Thanks again for all of your help.
LA Larry,
Thanks, always glad to help if I can.
I do give a second thought to crime, but to use Regan's quote, "Trust, but verify."
I feel that 99% of the people that we encounter in normal activities in these cities are honest, hard working, and fun loving people. The other 1% what you have to guard against.
I have always had a good time, but use simple big city precautions. Be careful of pick pockets, scams, don't wear expensive jewelry or fake jewelry that looks expensive, dress down during the day with jeans and sneakers, that sort of thing. At night, take taxis, even for short distances, and don't short cut through dark alleys and areas.
You would think that most of these crimes take place at night, but the majority that I have experienced or heard about have been during the day. The only time I have been a bit concerned was one night in Rio a few years back. Walking along the beach sidewalk, about 4:00 a.m.(I know, dumb) a group of kids started to swarm around me. I was able to discourage them, but it still concerned me.
Go to any of the cities mentioned after midnight, and they are just becoming alive. You will see people walking, at restaurants, and just having a good time in the streets without a care in the world outside of what to eat or should we have another beer or not. I've helped complete strangers in the middle of the night, and have been helped when in need as well. My guard has always been up though, but that has been it, just a guard. I've had my share of pickpockets, but that has been it.
So to answer your question, go out, have a great time, just keep your guard up. I've had nothing but good times in Sao Paulo, and the girls have been completely honest and very helpful. I was out of cash one night in Sao Paulo, and the ATM's were closed(10:00 p.m.). The girl bought my drinks, paid her bar fine, and bought the taxi back to the hotel. Sure I paid her back in spades the next day, but she offered to help first.
When the Kilt closes around 3:00-4:00 a.m., as do all the other clubs around there, just follow the crowd to Love Story. Here it is in the wee hours of the morning, and there is a non-stop stream of people walking along the streets of Sao Paulo, and all over that area as well without a care in the world.
Go have a good time, you will be amazed at how nice the people are.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
Thanks Moondog.
As always--you're a class act.
Take care--
Off2Golf,
I am a regular to Rio de Janeiro, 3 to 4 visits in the last 5 yrs . Except this year, due to major heart surgery, the Sept-Oct trip was the first visit to Brasil for 2003.
Had been to Sampa in Dec 2001 for 3 nights, but due to lack of knowledge, did not do much mongering on that occasion.
Hope to be back in Brasil in 2004. Of course SP will be on the iternary, now that I am aware of many "fun" spots in Sampa.
Will post the dates, and maybe will meet you & some other posters.
I too, have done many visits to Netherlands, visiting the RLD of Amsterdam & Den Haag.
Agree with you, that there are many beautiful women in the Netherlands,but that the Brasiliara is the most fabulous-facinating-friendly women in the world.
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Ceylon1 (WorldTraveller aka Charles)
SAO PAULO - Another RLD, South of Praca da Luz !!
After the debacle at the porno movie theatre, from the corner of AV RIO BRANCO & AV IPIRANGA, kept walking north on AV IPIRANGA. looking for the Red Light District south of Praca da Luz.
Waiting for the traffic light at the corner of AV IPIRANGA & RUA EFIGENIA, overheard a man tell his pal "muito putera bonita" (many beautiful Pro's) & point down Rua Efigenia and wave his hand to the left and right.
Immediately turned left on Rua Efigenia on a voyage of discovery. A narrow commercial street, mainly dealing with electronics & electrical supplies, with street hawkers on both sidewalks. On each side street, looked on both sides, nothing unusual. It is now nearly 6pm, and the shops are closing & crowds on the way home.
On RUA EFIGENIA from the 3rd side street - RUA VITORIA - on to the next side street - RUA DOS GUSMOES - on to the next side street - RUA GEN OSORIO, noted a Garota or two to small groups of Garotas near doorways, on the side streets.
Walked around, looking at a mostly, age 30 yrs plus, grade 5 to 6 group of "past the prime" collection of Garotas, who smiled, blocked my path & offered sexo for R 30 to R50. In between, were a few "Gems", slim cuties about 23 - 25 yrs.
The narrow, dark stairways to the cheap short stay hotels on the 2nd floor was not that inviting. Was thinking of calling it a day & another "failure", when I saw a cutie at the corner of RUA ANDRADES & RUA GEN OSORIO.
Maria (22 yrs) was from Campo Grande, (Mato Grosso do Sul), cute, slim, shy, agreed to R50 for 1 hour of sexo. At the doorway to the hotel, is another slim cutie. At first, I thought it was Maria's sister - no, it was her Prima (cousin), Stella, also from Campo Grande & just 20 yrs.
A 1 hour family reunion was agreed upon for R100. Walked up with both girls to the hotel & inspected the rooms. Not the greatest, but will do. Booked the largest room with a double bed for R20 for the hour. Remembering the unhygenic "cheapo" sex places that I had just visited, I wanted to start with a communal Banho (bath) & asked for clean towels, soap, & a new clean sheet to be put on the bed. The guy in charge asked for R5 for these extra services, which he claimed that none others were demanding.
It was worth every Real, the cousins were new to both SP (less than 2 weeks) & to "sexo" & it was a learning experience, as neither of them had done a "duo" before. From being shy, to even looking at each other nude, they were soon exploring each others bodies & "eating" under the tutorials of yours truly.
Fabulous time, so gave them a generous tip, more hugs & kisses. None of the locals in this RLD had ever done that before. But they would not allow any photos.
Next posting - Teatro Orion in this cheapo neighbourhood.
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Ceylon1 (WorldTraveller aka Charles)
Ceylon1 said:
It was worth every Real, the cousins were new to both SP (less than 2 weeks) & to "sexo" & it was a learning experience, as neither of them had done a "duo" before. From being shy, to even looking at each other nude, they were soon exploring each others bodies & "eating" under the tutorials of yours truly.
The teacher at work. Love it.
Enjoy the life,
Mondog
SAO PAULO - Teatro Orion - Strip Club, Live shows, Click on website.
Its still Friday, see my 3 previous posts. Late that night, met Ricardo, my Sao Paulo pal for dinner. Gave him the lowdown on my cheapo adventures near Praca da Republica.
Ricardo, informs me that there is a well known strip club with live shows in that area.
Together we went in quest of - TEATRO ORION.
Dicey area at night, but security at the club entrance, with valet parking for Ricardo's car & authorised taxi's when a patron departs the club.
Posters at the entrance & lobby showing the many well known Brasilian strippers who have performed or will perform at this club.
Opens from 10pm to 5am - Entrance R50, includes 2 drinks for the client. Extra drinks & Garota's drinks range from R10 - R15 - to Champagne.
Arrived about 11pm, a lesbian show is on the center stage. Shows generally about 15 mts, with a 10 mts interval.
About 20 Garota's in sexy lingerie circulating among the clients. Garotas are superb, young, cute, slim, most grades 7 to 8, some definetely grade 9.
Beware, the Garotas are thirsty!
SAMIRA (19yrs) from Porto Alegre sits by my side, speaks some English, passes my "kissing & fondling" tests. So relaxed with her, watching the midnight stripper who was a well known "star" from Rio. This club claims to have the top Brasilian strippers perform at its shows.
SAMIRA informs me that a inhouse room for 1 hour, sexo completa inclusive is R150. So I suggest that she be my "Namorada" (lover) for the next hour. Nice large rooms with attached shower, clean sheets etc.
SAMIRA is slim & sexy, a grade 8 and in a mood to enjoy herself. She loves to get her boobs fondled with lots of soapy suds. Great enjoyable sex with a long BBBJ delivered by a friendly Garota.
I treated Ricardo to enjoy himself with 19 yr old MARIANA.
Back in the lounge, watched the "star" do her act again. A live sex-act was to begin at 3am. But we were tired and called it quits, without seeing the live sex-act.
OK - you guys want to know where the club is located -
TEATRO ORION - (11)-221-3948
RUA AURORA 753
CENTRO.
Metro - Republica or Luz - DONT take metro at night.
www.teatroorion.com.br
Next posting - Meeting with Moondog - the man, the legend!
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Ceylon1 (WorldTraveller aka Charles)
Genghis Khan
11-28-03, 14:27
Once again I would like to ask if anybody has stayed at either the Gran Estanplaza Hotel in Berrini or Hotel Unique. What I would like to know if these hotels are girl-friendly.
SAO PAULO - Meeting with "Moondog" - ** the man, the legend **
For years, I have been enthralled by Moondog's enthusiasm for both Sao Paulo & Buenos Aires as reflected in his varied postings of the "joy of sex" in both cities.
Many PM's had been exchanged, some day we would meet.
My 2 visits to Buenos Aires, were in my pre-TSM membership era, but now it seems that both of us are sojouring in Sampa during the same weekend.
Agreed, we would meet in the Lobby of the 5 star Renaiisance Hotel at 3pm, where no doubt that maestro would be surrounded by lovely women.
Re-scheduled, I will meet him at 430pm, as at 3pm I am in bed with a cute Garota in a nearby Clinica's Massagems. ( turned out, that at 3pm, Moondog too was "busy" in bed ).
Walked past security to the lobby, a friendly voice calls out "Hey ! Charles" - its Moondog with a cute Garota clinging to his arms, it was a natural to see him with a lady. Soon the Garota leaves for a well earned rest.
What a friendly, hospitable gentleman - soon we were discussing the merits of SP's multiple hangouts for play4pay.
I had not yet been to the nearby RLD in Rua Augusta, Moondog graciously undertook the task of being my guide.
He is friendly with many of the attractive non-pro Garotas down Rua Augusta, such as ladies working in a hair saloon & sales ladies in a mini-mall.
Its only about 530pm, and Rua Augusta has still not turned round from a semi-commercial street to a RLD.
We stopped at the MAISON AUGUSTA CLUB
Rua Augusta 648
But none of the Garota's have yet arrived.
The next place we stopped, choice of only 3 so-so Garotas.
Most clubs are still closed, the working ladies have not yet arrived.
Walked down to the bottom of the street, Moondog points out TERMA SQUARE for my future reference.
Took a taxi to the well known club-
BOMBOA - (11)-3064-6494
Rua Capote Valente 222
Pinherios.
Entrance + service charge R99, covers a few drinks.
Its Saturday, past 630pm, the club closes within a few hours at 9pm, thus small crowd of patrons & a less than average selection of Garotas.
Moondog gives me a guided tour - we then listen to a live band.
Couple of Garotas sit by our sides, we offer them drinks, a few hugs, but soon they depart, due to a lack of interest on our part.
2 more Garota's join in, but the choice is not up to the club's usual high standard, this being within a few hours of closing early for the day.
Wow! - I am mesmerized at the sight of a young, cute, slim beauty in a skyblue bikini walking towards us.
OK - thats for me!
Alas, she waves at, and goes around and sits with a regular client.
We have to meet Teresa, another of Moondog's regulars in the hotel lobby at 830pm.
So depart Bomboa.
At the Renaiisance Hotel lobby, Moondog has a party going with some of his fellow co-workers - I join in.
TERESA, turns out to be a attractive, witty, charming young lady. Fluent in english, her jokes & comments keeps all of us roaring in laughter.
No wonder, Teresa is a regular girlfriend to Moondog when he is in Sampa.
Soon 4 of us go out to a Buffet restraurant, where Teresa's comments & jokes has even the staff in laughter.
Muito Obrigardo for dinner & a fun time.
Moondog & Teresa goes back to the hotel, the co-worker to an Irish Pub, while I take a taxi to a nearby Prive's Casa (Private House).
Moondog, some day, we will meet again.
Next posting - Rua Augusta.
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Ceylon1 - (WorldTraveller aka Charles)
Hey LALarry, or, ANY hobbyist in SP.
I'll be in that neck of the woods between the 12th and 20th of December if you would like to meet. And certainly if there are any senior members around I would be honored to buy lunch/dinner/drinks for the pleasure of your company, your posting have been AWESOME. Let's MONGER!
Tall Drink #2
11-30-03, 03:35
Gentleman,
I have had the chance to read many of your reports for the past few weeks and, for the most part, I find them, informative, intelligent and refreshing. Although I am a young pup in comparison to many of you, it helps me in understanding that finding companionship is really not a bad thing. As long as we're not hurting anyone and treating the girls with respect, "it's all good!" And sometimes, it pays off with more than just a "cum." Many of you understand what I mean. Really, it's the idea of living life and enjoying it while it's still here.
I'll be heading out to SP in early February, just for fun. I'll be taking much info with me, thanks to you all. I hope to bring some back, too. I don't think I'll be as adventurous as Ceylon1 or as seasoned as Moondog, but I'll try. Luckly, I'm young, latino (very fluent in Spanish and a bit in Portuguese) and blessed with a lot of energy. If there's anything I could add to this forum, especially about safety and general information, I'll do my best. If anyone around during this time, let me know. We'll have "um cafe."
Take care, be safe, have fun!
Ceylon,
Will you still be there Monday the 15th? I'll probably get a reservation at the Renasance, Pinheiros, Moema, or Jardims when I arrive around noon. Then get a studio apartment for about a week. Mini me and I are due for some FUN mongering. Happy trails, and thanks again to you seniors for the spot on advise!
Awesome site!
Zihado,
I am - sadly - back in the USA.
Read as many reports as you can from WSG, this will give you loads of information as to where to go.
There should be no problems in finding a Garota or two in Sampa.
Ceylon1 (WorldTraveller aka Charles)
Oh My God,
I went to Bomboa for the first time in my visits to S.P. It was far and away my best experience ever in my favorite city. I got there with a friend on a regular night when it stays open until 4. We arrived around 9 PM and the place was in full swing. Paid the 90 real entry fee and went in to find a well-lit dancefloor with huge couches all around. There were some separate rooms downstairs and of course the fun rooms upstairs. After one of the guides in there gave us a tour, we settled into a couch, ordered one of our 6 drinks that come with the entry fee, and commenced viewing the merchandise.
The women were all 8s, 9s, and 10s. A lot of blondes but mostly brunettes. No redheads, asians, or african descent. There were dozens of free women circling us and wanting on the couch. We waved a couple over. The one I was with was very young, tall, and brunette. She claimed to be 18, but could have been 20. I was able to touch her all over, but after awhile the language barrier was too much. She waved one of the guides over and asked him to ask me if she was going to the hotel with me. I said no, and she sat there for a couple of minutes then left. Within a minute, a 26 year old brunette, very cute and wearing almost nothing but a G-string, slid in next to me. She pulled her string aside, put my hand on her pussy lips, and smiled at me. Unfortunately, as I played with her she would not look at me but was looking all around. I excused myself to go to the banheiro and did not go back to her.
I then sat at the bar and got my fourth rum and coke. A stunning brunette walked up and started talking to me and I knew she was the one. Her name is Cristiane and she looks like Catherine Zeta Jones , but 24. Drop dead jaw dropping georgeous. A great personality too. So I paid the bar fine and took her back to the Renaissance. My friend had already left with a cute blonde. Cristiane stayed with me until the next afternoon. We ate lunch and did many fun things in the room. She is great in bed and seemed truly sorry to go. She will not be in Bomboa for some of December because she is travelling to Europe. I got the impression from talking with her that she is looking to find someone permanent and settle down, so the green light is on if you are inclined.
By the way, there is a blonde in Bomboa who looks like Kate Hudson, but I could not get her attention, so if Cristiane is not there next time, I will try for her. I liked Photo when I went there but this was better because: better looking women, more friendly, and they wear less clothes. It may be more expensive though especially if you take her back to the hotel.
Bomboa is the bomb!
Ceylon,
Thanks for the nice words. We had a good time together, and will do it again.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
Tall Driknk 2,
Just get out to the clubs, treat the ladies nice, and you will have a great time.
Have fun,
Moondog
I've been in Sao Paulo for 4 months and having a great time going to various places.
1. Mirunas: thursday nights are the best with possibility of spending some quality time with the lady doing the show. Usually magazine covers. Ask for Fernando. Rua Mirunas 644
2. Clinica Antares: great place with very fine ladies. Good place to relax after a long trip. I usually go there after I land at congonhas airport.
3. Cafe Photo: the selection is still great for the eyes and girls a bit pushy to leave the place soon. There a few that are just great to spend the night with. Look for Mariah, petite brunete, nice body.
4. Baccos: still a bit far from downtown but totally worth the visit. Can't decide which one is my favorite: Bomboa or Baccos.
6. Bomboa: amazing fun. Very nice place but timing is everything.
7. Vagao Plaza: asian concentration but still nice to pick some girls.
8. Free lance girls: there a few that I got to meet in the net or at clubs and they were great to spend weekends or just the night.
a. Sandra: she is 21 and got a nice petite body. Get her a bit tipsy and it was the best sex ever. All the works.
b. Rose Costa: mid 30s but great company and great sex. Loves it in the backdoor.
c. Samara: early 20s brunette. Very nice figure and will make you see the star.
d. Barbara: 18 yrs old blonde. Very tight. Spent some quality with her.
e. got more but gotta go meet a "friend".
Anyone in Sao Paulo, give me a call or PM me and lets plan a forum get together.
Hub
I know this is a STUPID question but would some one please tell me why SP is called Sampa?
Ceylon, well maybe I'll catch you next time! I've been reading alot of past postings, all over this site, and starting to feel like I have been to SA numerous times! Yeeeeeeeesssss, the archives are awesome!!
This might be uncomfortable subject for some/most mongers: will Garotas do 2 guys at the same time. Naughty fantasy's of mine, though frequently experienced in USA, (it often takes some structuring). In general Thai girls confused by the suggestion, European pros probably open if I had a partner, US babes from Adult Friend Finders and Swing Lifestyle VERY open to two guys particulalry when it involves their husband, or boyfriend. For me, something about seeing a classic beauty on her back, lustfully sucking c*ck, with her legs across my shoulders, so slutty and ummmm such erotic memories! I wonder, how difficult/easy to arrange this with a Latin lady?
Nickster53
12-02-03, 17:58
I have the good fortune of having a business trip next week to Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo and although I know about the relative merits of each, I have experienced the fine life of BA but not SP.
My business meetings are at the beginning and end of the week so I have a lot of flexibility in my schedule. My question is this, more time in SP or more time in BA?
My observation from the recent posts is that BA slows down this time of year. Should I spend more time in SP because of this? Does SP slow down too? Also, where would you recommend staying in SP?
As always thanks for your help and advice.
Nickster
Long John 200
12-02-03, 18:05
Hi,
I will be in Sao Paulo on Dec 12- 14 th and most likely going to Cafe Photo and Bomba. I also want to go to Clinica Antares for a while.
Is there any action on Sundays ?
If so where is the best place to go ?
I will try to post more photo's if the girls will let me..
First time in Sao Paulo went to club Bamboa. Unbelievable every girl there is 9 to 10 all offering full service and very easy to deal with. there is a rs90 entry and range from 150 to 200 per girl they are worth every dime I recommend for all you that have not been find a driver or taxi and go there it is a great party live music and very clean. I wish the clubs in the US would take notes from Brazil on clean clubs and clean, nice, easy to talk with ladies if you speak portu but if not they will get it a cross what they want. Guys these girls are J-LO and better quality get prepared to be blown away. From what I hear the owners are opening a new club with even better and in my world it does not get that much better. Anyways peace out and I hope this helps. P.S. they will let you go for an hour but if you are good they will not stop you and there rooms and very upscale clean.
Hey Hub666,
I'd love to meet a fellow monger in SP. Wow four months!! That is Nicccccccccce! I'll be there the 14th or 15th, for a week. Hope to see you then.
Nickster53,
Sao Paulo by far has the most sensual, fun loving, and good looking girls of the two. You are hitting during the best time, the middle of the week.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
Brother Mongers,
I'll be in SP between the 15th and 25th. looking for an apartment. Any Senior WSG monger interested in splitting a 2-3 bedroom apartment please contact me. And if any mongers would like to meet for a drink, I'm BUYING! Long live the MONGERS!
To fellow menbers,
If coming to Sampa send me a pm and I will send my mobile number. Lets all hook up.
Sao Paulo has an amazing variety of places and ladies to try.
Sampa is a nick name created by a musician I think.
Bomboa opened the place unofficially a few weeks ago but the major party is on the 8th.
Things should slow down around the 20th since lots of them have family outside Sao Paulo.
This week week and next week there a lot of parties happening. Mostly themed like tropical fantasy day(aka. bikini day) or Xmas(aka: bikini santa helpers).
Usually what I do is talk to the girls and enjoy my time in the clubs and wait for them to leave the place and meet them outside.
I prefer to spend the night then to go up(rooms upstairs) or down(Baccos: rooms are downstairs) for just an hour. Thjey mostly will take the offer for a reasonable fee. I havén´t spent more than 200 reais (US$80) for the night.
Responding to Zidaho:
It's not very hard to set a threesome here. I've done a few times and know a few girls who are willing to do it. I think their only concer is about DP. It´s hard to find ladies to do it, but I know who is waiting for someone to propose.
The best so far have been 4 girls and me locked in a room for 3 hours.
Carpe Diem all
I've been staying current in the SP thread for a while, and recently someone posted that Bomboa was not good on the Saturday night he went (few girls, not great quality) and they closed at 9p.
I will only be in SP on the weekend, and Bomboa is closed on Sundays.
For those of you that have been to Bomboa on a Saturday, is it even worth it to go, and does it always close at 9p?
I guess my plan from there would be Kilt, the neighborhood, and Love Story...
Thanks!
SAO PAULO - Rua Augusta Clubs...Choice of low end, high end & Street Walkers.
Ricardo, my SP amigo, drove me round Rua Augusta on a Sunday night at about 830pm.
Most of the bars & clubs on Rua Augusta were closed, this being Sunday. These "fun" places range from the low end "Sauna Misty" types to better quality Garotas with inhouse rooms for action in some of the clubs.
Noted that there is a Bingo Parlour. My pal claims that some of the prizes are Garota's for sexo.
This Bingo Parlour should be investigated.
Noted that at the bottom of the road (away from Av Paulista) some of the high end clubs were opened.
Its raining a little, but both sides of the road are full of Street Walkers. Many of them young, cute, slim & smiling at the few mongers.
I was surprised at the high quality, while the quoted prices of R60 - R80 for 1 hour + nearby hotel room R15 are reasonable.
Normally I dont pick up Street Walkers for security reasons, But Ricardo assures me thats its OK to take them to a nearby short time hotel, where he knows the manager.
So we take Michelle (22yrs) & AnaPaula (21) to a short time hotel, 2 blocks off Rua Augusta off Rua Antonio Carlos.
Did a "Feistinha" for the next couple of hours with all of us on a large double bed. The Garotas were very friendly with each other, as well as providing superior sexo. Rewarded them each with R150.
Our car was parked opposite a club that was closed. Ricardo claims that on the other days of the week, this club opens after 3pm & has inhouse Garotas, 1 hour for R50-60.
MONA LISA BAR
Rua Antonio Carlos 350
Consolacao.
( 2 blocks north of Av Paulista off Rua Augusta )
Metro - Condolacao.
Unfortunately, I had not have time during this visit to fully investigate on all the possibilities of sexo on Rua Augusta.
Sao Paulo has so much sexo - its unbelievable !!
Next posting - Santos, the port city.
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WorldTraveller aka Charles
Leo,
If you do go to Bomboa on Saturday, go early, say around 4 or 5 in the afternoon. It does close down at 9. p.m.
The rest of your plan sounds good. Take a look at Big Ben on Rua Augusta as well. You can see it from the Kilt, look down the hill towards the right. Whatever you do, if you have not picked anybody by the wee hours, do not miss Love Story.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
Long John 200
12-04-03, 04:53
Does anyone know a good SP that speaks good to very good english. Please PM me with your recommendations. I'm looking for someone that is between 18-23 if possable.
Looking for someone for a night out. ( dinner & drinks + ? )
Are there any escort sites that have english speaking SP on them ?
Also if anyone out there has a few passwords for some of the escort sites in Brazil. Please PM to me..
Leo, just considere when visiting Love Story on a Saturday that during week ends nights the place is packed with Brasilian guys who go there to overdrink and hunt the garotas : ratio men/women is maybe 65/35, and atmosphere is not that cool, many of those guys are really rude with the girls ; frequent rows at the entrance too .... maybe LS is becoming victim of his success ?
Anyway without a doubt, Mondays/Tuesdays/Wednesdays nights are the best in Love Story, when the place is packed with garotas and with relatively few guys, mainly very regular customers (i'm part of those when in Sampa :) !);
Cheers
Genghis Khan
12-04-03, 15:10
Moondog or other Sampa regulars, have you ever been to W on Alemeda Irae?. I would like to go sometime, but have heard that without an invite, you are not likely to get in. It is not possible to just show up. I really would like to go there on my next trip but need to know how to get such an invitation.
Anyone who helps me in will get a free programa from me if you are in Sampa during my next visit 26.january to 07. february.
I first thought that the setupt with W on Alemeda Irae was similar to the other W establishment on Rua Alvorada and their house. Here you show up at the bar and get to know the manager. I am now a bit unsure about Alemeda Irae from what I have read from other reports on the internet.
Some say you have to speak Portugese and know the manager very well. I don`t speak Portugese.
Like I said I would really appriciate help to set this up and offer a freebee to anyone able to arrange this.
GK,
If you are a member of WSA, there is an entire thread devoted to this over there.
Moondog
The W there is owned by guy who used to own the other W. They are brothers or cousins. Not sure. They broke up the partnership and went separate ways. Costs and everything else is the same in both places.
Genghis Khan
12-05-03, 09:42
Moondog,
I am a member of WSA and I have read a lot about W over there. I have also written what I know of this place there. Most of the info however relates to the W on Rua Alvorada and not about Alemeda Irae.
GK
Genghis Khan
12-05-03, 16:10
Hub666,
Thanks I am interested in any info you can give me about this place and how to enter.
GK
Moondog,
Thanks for the info on Bomboa on a Saturday - but I want to catch my Vikings/Cheifs NFL game (O'Malley's?? Lonestar in Jardins?? help!) which won't end until after 8p EST (I'm guessing that's 11p in SP) - well after Bomboa is closed.
But, that should be the perfect time to check out Kilt, BigBen, and the lower places and street scene close by... and of course at 3a or so hit Love Story.
As for Sunday, I am less clear on a plan, other than a very similar program... or maybe hunt non-pros at Vila Olympia... and the fall back of Love Story (even though it's Sunday).
'Oui
In the OTHER AREA'S section, I just posted an report -
" SANTOS - Port city - website & a ..Japanese doll in Latin America !! "
This will be followed by a posting in the Curitiba section. Then Rio & Manaus.
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Ceylon1 (WorldTraveller aka Charles)
GK,
Ok. Sorry about the mixup. I have not been to either W myself, but one day might take a look.
Leo,
Have fun down there. With regard to Sunday, pull a girl out of Love Story or another place, and have her stay with you all day Sunday. Take her to a movie and/or just be a friend to her. She will love having a nice guy to hang with if she has no other plans.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
Hottraveler,
There are a few places:
Love Story besides Hilton Hotel but only after 3am
Moca Bonita: Vila Olimpia on sunday nites. Mostly girls from Cafe Photo
Anyone in town next week? Lets meet.
Bull Dozer
12-06-03, 05:15
Hottraveller,
Try Love Story, it is near Hilton, all taxi drivers know it, action starts late & till 7AM. Much better quality girls there then in Help, an all night, All you can eat quality BUFFET.
GJ
Went to Baccos yesterday and had a great time.
Spent some quality time with Ariele(half japanese) and Sandy (very nice brunette).
The place gets better and better.
Checked out Love Story afterwards but had no more energy to spare.
Major Honk
12-08-03, 23:14
Hey Guys,
I am in SP on business for 4 days ... based on your reports, I think Love Story, Help, Cafe Photo are the places to be. Any idea on costs - cover and all-nighter? I am here from 12/8 - 12/11. Anybody wanna meet? Any web sites / phone for incall escort services? Post or PM.
Member #1243
aka UFO
Arrived two days ago and I´m not impressed so far. The downtown is an elegant mix of Europe and USA, but lacks the basic facilities like internet cafes, kiosks and such. Women are at best average, everything is expensive, I'm spending a whopping r$ 2.50 for internet and this is a cheap place. They took me to one of the worst fake italian restaurants in the world. The r$ 26 filet would have been better destined as ground beef for burgers. I had to rent a car (r$ 94/day) to avoid the high taxi prices, as my hotel is a little bit off.
Now for the sex part that isn´t any better. Went to Kilt with some corporate droids, non-mongers. Of course they were kinda of stiff saying they don´t do this and blah-blah, but then relaxed a bit and when I left each of them had a sticking garota on their laps. Well I hooked with Eduarda that was the prettier girl there, like an 8. The rest was quite disappointing, like -not worth to go-. Anyway there´s a lady, Tania, that will help you as she speaks most languages.
Now about this girl, pretty face, fake blond, gret boob job, a little bit oversized in tummy and ass, turns out she´s a lesbian, cool in talking but cold in bed. Doesn´t kiss and don´t really know how to please a man. Stupid me I didn´t step back when I could, as the signals where not positive. r$ 35 for a very nice hotel in the zone where all the hookers are. BTW by driving some didn't seemed ugly at all.
That much about the way I flushed r$ 200 down the toilet, I hope to have better luck today. I'm in Villa Mariana and will head to Clinica Zen in few minutes. BTW this cool site gpguia.net with all the info about Sampa sex scene is down. Oh well.
Later guys.
PS: any hint on where to go for the beach places nearest to city ?
Met nickster53 yesterday and took him for a tour aorund the city.
First took him to Clinica Antares where he had a session with Renata. While we waited for her, we met 3 other menbers and we all went to Mirunas. I can´t remenber their handles.
At Mirunas we had a few drinks and one of them spent time with Estella(nice bolivian girl).
Afterwrds we all went for dinner and another person joined the group.
We arrived at Vagao Plaza and each hooked-up with some very nice ladies.
The only down side is that some of the ladies will turn you down if you are not asian.
Major Honk
12-09-03, 19:55
Hey Guys,
Has anybody tried www.contatos.com.br?
Can you speak english and get girls to hotel? I hear it is R$160 - 200 for FS in your room. Any tips or pointers would be helpful. I am a total zilch when it comes to spanish or portugese, so having a little trouble understanding the site. Can see the pics and phone nos.
UFO
Stoly,
One of the most depressing postings ever I came across! I wish you had better luck and time in SP.
A couple of comments on your posting.
1. There is a small Italian section where you could get decent Italian food at reasonable price. FamiliaMancini is one of well-known Italina restaurant in SP. It is located off Rua Augusta and you could ask for the direction at your hotel. They serve food family style, good quality food but somewhat high price in SP standard (still good for US$) and great atmosphere.
2. I think closest beach from SP would be Santos beach which would be about 1.5 hours by car. There is a beach called Guaraza(I know spelling is wrong) near Santos. This is well-known and favorite place for local folks.
3. Check a few nightclubs frequented by fellow mongers on this board - Cafe Photo, Bomboa, Cafe Milennium and the others. You may have better luck?
Enjoy your life!
Following the info given by Stoly about the closure of the gpguia forum, any new info on a reopening should be welcome .... it was a good source for P4P scene in SP and some undervisited Brasilian cities (i think the forum's owner posted a few times here under the user name 'websmp' or something like that ) ;
I am going to BA but also thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for a couple of weeks for the first time. Does anybody know of a apartments or decent hotels to rent.
Thanks for your help in advance.
Off2golf, thanks for the tips.
Actually things worked much better yesterday. After getting the car I drove at random for a while, then stopped in Villa Mariana where I found one of the few cybercafes for my daily report. I'm always tought that there is a monger's sixth sense and had further confirmation yesterday, as that Clinica Zen was just one block away. Had a lineup of 7-8 girls, some quite pretty with a slight tendency to beefy blondes. But Sabrina is a delicious spinner brunette, a full 9 on my book, and I did not exitated a second more. She has beautiful bedroom green eyes and one of the most amazing natural breast I ever seen, with dark, full sized sensitive nipples. Very sensual and seductive, but CBJ only and no DFK. Massage was good but the sex even better. One hour and a quarter is r$ 120, plus 50 that I gave to her directly for a second pop, as she told me she gets 45% from the house for one round only. A little expensive by BsAs standards, but worth it. I got her number as I want to repeat.
Managed to find my way back to the hotel, rested and went out later at night for dinner and clubs. Again, driving at random I somewhat found my way to Rua Augusta, where the dinner consisted in r$ 2 worth of grilled beef that they graciously let me ate in one of the clubs. The tout is a Uruguayan so I could speak some Spanish and he gave me four drinks for r$ 10, otherwise entry in all the clubs is r$ 5 with one drink. Some will let you in for fee for a look around. I found my girl of the night at 'castelanho' club, that was otherwhise empty. Larissa is a tall brunette with very short hair, great attitude, and a tiger in bed, everything goes. My only mistake was to choose a very cheap hotel over the one of the previous night, and probably overpaid a little bit (150) but still within the acceptable standards. I begin now to realize what do they mean when saying that is very difficult to get a garota tired. Three rounds later, and many orgasms on her side, I'm sure she could go on and on. But the place stinks, and I wanted to sleep in a decent bed. Boys I was spent on my ride back to the hotel! Also good is that I begin to get along with speaken portuguese, as when they talk slowly it's simply just another romance language.
Not sure what will do tonight. I still have to try the better clubs, but I hate paying r$50-100 just for the entrance. If any of you guys wants to meet tonight or tomorrow, pick a club and a time and post it here. Leave your nickname to the guy at the door so I can find you inside.
Yesterday, I took the same group to Bacos in Sao Bernado and we had great fun.
We met some people of the brazilian forum.
A few of the ladies to look for when in there:
Cacau: small blond girl
Sandy: nice brunete
Thauany: light dark skin brunete
Simone: very thin brunete
Aryelle: small japanese(porn actress)
Yuri: dark skin and great body
We had a blast
If my post is up by tonight, we are heading for some clubs in downtown area and maybe Bomboa.
Has anybody been to W lately? Just curious if the R$600 fee for the girls includes the drinks? Is the fee R$150 if you do not pay for the girl?
Thanks,
Moondog
Moondog,
I was at Club W over the 4th of July. I passed on a girl that night but it seemed to cost me R$150 for drinks. The owner gave me the breakdown. Most girls were $200 a night with the superstars running $300 and up. It was a cold night so everyone was dressed up in turtlenecks( or covered head to toe).
I was the only gringo. All locals. Not a place I would revisit unless I was with a group.
The one girl I would have taken was "interviewing" with the owner that night.
If there was a fee I have a feeling it was separate. If I am going to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) away that kind of money I would go th Photo. As a matter of fact thats what i did that night.
Starfe
Starfe,
Thanks. I was thinking the same thing. Why spend that kind of money if you can not keep the girls overnight and into the next day? Foto is always fun, and the girls can be yours for the next day if you want as well.
I will try it once though.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
Moondog,
I also felt it was more of a place to have dinner at. A good time to arrive would be at 9 pm rather then 11 or 12.
Many of the 8's,9's and 10's are already sitting with guys eating dinner by then.
Just my thoughts
Starfe
Have any of you guys been to Bahamas lately? I was there a couple of years ago it it was real upscale but late at night you could get some good deals. I think its in Murumbi.
After taking a day off the sport I came back following the marked path so nothing is really new here. But I reccomend you to go to
ALAMEDA JOAQUIM EUGENIO DE LIMA 1674
and check if the sexy brunette (mulatto/asian mestiza) that serviced me is still there. Very sweet, altough professional in summary. She's in her early twenties, language student, has good English even if she's shy to use it. r$ 80 for an hour and two pops, a bargain. The other girls where a couple of notches below, like 5's and 6's.
After that, went to Augusta, randomly -choosen a club that tuned out to be large and not so cheesy, and had a tall athletic mulatta for 40. Only r$ 55 all included. Had BBBJ but had to insist as clearly it is not the norm here.
I'm now in Campinas looking for some more action. This Iguatemi Mall is really big and full of expensive goodies, r$8 an hour for the internet!!! Also the freeway is expensive. I won´t miss SP much, beside sex all you get here is traffic and some kind of euroamerican stiffness that I don't really need an extra dose of. Sure, everyone is kind but simply said the vibes I like aren't here.
Stoly,
If you are in Campinas, are you going to check out Fazendinha? Since Brazil is summer season, they may open for pool side BBQ party on Saturday afternoon. I personally never had an opportunity to partake it but heard it is very good. I've been there for evening fun for a few times.
Last post about SP as I'm in Rio now.
No, I didn't go to Fazendinhas, from reading the reports I had the feeling there was some ´famous´place to go but could not associate a name to it. I´ve seen another place detailed in ´other places´.
Back to Sampa, I wanted to check out Cocktail. First thing I bargained down the was the r$ 15 admission drink to 10. My tecnique was to defiantly claim that I'm from Argentine (technically true), I don´t have much money (relatevely true) and would go to some other place if not discounted (definitely true). I tought that if they don´t budge they don´t deserve my money.
Well it may be true that Brazilian (among others) don´t really like cocky Argentineans but the line aways worked.
Now, even if not evident when I got inside, there are 8.5-9´s in Cocktail, few but there are. I saw this red hair, 25 year old that looked different from you average good-looking nightclub girl and in fact she was totally friendly, with no slutty or professional attitude. Negotiated r$ 150 for the night. The barfine is 38.5 and had to ask my change from a r$ 50 bill twice as for some reason waiters have a short memory when it comes to that. Turned down the routine r$10 request for ´bolsa´ and all other tip bullshit. Now about this girl, Celia, I think she´s pretty with a good body, but don´t have a strong sexual charge nor enough experience to make a memorable night. In summary she would make a better girlfriend than a working girl, but if you´re in next door type girls, she may be right for you. She has enough english and is quite chatty. She wanted to exchange emails but I declined saying that it is too involving for me and I think he understood.
Well one final gastronomic note. I never reccomend expensive restaurant but will make an exception for Santa Gula, R. Fidalga 340, Vila Madalena, T 3812-7815. It is nicely decorated with a cozy casual style and food comes with creativity and quality preparation. Appetizer, main dish, dessert and wine may set you off r$ 70 a person. Great for dates. After dinner you can go to listen some live music and dance to La Lanterna that is on the same treet one block down. Mixed age group of middle-class Paulistanas.
Stoly for WSG, Sao Paolo.
hub666,
I will be in SP this next weekend, and plan to hit Vila Olimpia on Sunday.
Is Moca Bonita the name of a place, or when you wrote "Moca Bonita: Vila Olimpia" that all refered the the part of the city? If the latter, can you recommend the best place in V.O. to meet girls?
Thanks
Moca Bonita is a bar in corner just off Nova Faria Lima.
For places I would reccomend Swahilli(sunday nights are great there) , Favela and Monte Cristo. These 3 places are locate around the same block of streets parallel to Nova Faria Lima.
W Club and W Unico,
They both used to be owned by 2 cousins. They broke up and went separate ways.
W Unico
Av. Chibarás corner with Av. Moreira Guimarães, Moema
150,00 minimun consumption and 600 for the girls(no negotiation)
W Club
Rua Alvorada, 550 - Vila Olímpia
150,00 minimum consumption and prices star at 600 for the girls(negotiated with the management).
They are more or less the same in style and girls but honestly, no girls in SP are worth that much.
There are rumors tht you can meet some of them at other places at the weak nights or late at night since both places are more happy hour directed.
Fandanzia translated means (just too damn expensive)
Mad Max out.
Seems that Bomboa very recently (8th Dec) opened a second location Av Aclimacao 395, where they could transfert some of the best girls from the Pinheiros location as some girls from Dona's Café ....
Any report on costs, minimum consumption and atmosphere are welcome ;
Cheers
Apparently it works the same ways in both houses but people say ladies are not the same level yet.
I will check it out this week.
Hub thanks, have fun anyway ;
Sao Paulo Report (I also went to Rio for this trip) - December 2003
This was first time I expericed Sampa. Sampa is definately more of business kind of city than Rio. Not as many mulatta in Rio. Many high rise apartments and condos. In general, things are more costly in Sampa than Rio (Taxi, mongering, food, etc).
For Sampa, I decided to stay in Av. Ibirapuera (Moema) to be close to gentlemen's institutions (Bahamas and Cafe Photo are walking distance). Moema seemed like a nice area (for Brazilian standards) with many flats costing around or more than R$ 1 million. I stayed in Blue Tree Towers Ibirapueara (cost about R$140 including tax; also there is another Blue Tree hotel in same street - the name is Blue Tree Convension Center - that one is closer to Shopping Ibirapuera). It was a very new hotel and was about three star hotel (US Standard; four star hotel in Brazil would be about three stars in US).
Moema is about 10-15 minutes taxi ride from Av. Paulista and Centro. I decide to stay in Blue Tree due to recommendation from a Sampa guy I met in Centaurus. I would recommend this hotel and chain (most of Blue Tree hotels are new). Here are some of my impression of places I went to in Sampa:
1. Bahamas - located in south side of Moema (just before the big highway which kind of seperates Moema and Campo Belo). A big facility compared to Rio boites. Basement floor has some area to seat and a sauna facility (optional). The main floor has reception, bar, seating area, dance floor, pool table, and a fish pond. When I went there for first time, there was a good looking blond girl who told me how things work in Bahamas (in English). It costs R$ 97 for entrance fee (drinks not included), R$ 69 for rooms upstairs, and anywhere from R$ 200 to R$ 300 for girls (must negotiate).
There is about 70-80 girls available. Most are 7-8, but there are some stunners. Very few girls initiating the action so it is better to approach ones you are interested. Few girls spoke good english to make a decent conversation. The facility is decorated very well (marble floors, granite tables, water ponds with koi fish, etc). The girls are not that passionate but most will give you good enough time for you to come back (borderline GFE). The room upstairs have showers and is very nice compare to Rio termas (a big bed, posh decoration). The lighting is not so dark in Bahamas, so it is easier to see how girls really look. A guy named Oscar (claims to own Penthouse Brazil) owns this club.
Overall, a gentlemen's club with rooms upstairs and pretty girls who will make you feel like someone.
Cafe Photo - located in northside of Moema (some say this area is Itaim). Outside looks like an European building. There was a Japanese-Braziian girl who explained how things worked in Cafe Photo. She said that you must approach girls. It costs R$ 160 to get in (includes 4 drinks). There are two floors for customers (bars, seating areas, etc). Inside is darker than Bahamas, so you must make sure the garota is what you are looking for. Decoration is very european style and is definately intended for local well to do types rather than budget conscious tourist types . About 100-110 girls working with most 7-8's but a handful of 9-10's.
This place has no rooms for the hobby so it is take out only. I took a girl named Laiza (she claims to be advertised in M-Class and other Sampa escort sites). It cost me R$ 300 for her. She did provide a weak GFE (DFK, blow job without condom, etc. but without animal like passion). She had a gorgeous face but body was a bit out of shape (droppy tits and a bit of fat around waist area; overall I would say she is 7.5 lin looks). She was the only girl I experienced in Photo.
Overall, another fun gentleman club with Sampa kind of $.
Bomboa - located in Pinheros area near Oscar Freinte shopping area. It is about 15-20 taxi ride from Moema. They give you a key with numbers (like Bahamas) when you enter the club. It costs R$ 90 to get in (no drinks included), R$50 for the room, and about R$200-R$ 250 for the girl. Somedays, it is an absolute zoo. A Japenese-Brazilian owns this club. Inside is more of casual decoration than Bahamas or Cafe, but still is way nicer than Rio boites or termas There were about 70-80 girls (mostly 6-7's with few 8's). I went there two times and one was a true GFE and the other a weak GFE. This place have a sushi bar and a sauna also. Upstairs rooms have showers.
When they are busy, sometimes you have to wait like an hour for a room to be open (they have about 30 rooms). I also saw many locals just want to drink and chill. They have valet parking services.
Overall, a fun solid place with more of casual twist than Bahamas or Cafe Photo.
I found most girls are from south (Rio Grande do sul, Santa Catarina, etc) and few from Sampa. Almost no mulattas in these places. Overall, Sampa places are for local well to dos, therefore need to have fancy facilities to satisfy their egos. Sampa is definately different style than Rio.
Sao Paulo Report (I also went to Rio for this trip) - December 2003
This was first time I expericed Sampa. Sampa is definately more of business kind of city than Rio. Not as many mulatta in Rio. many high rise apartments and condos. In general, things are more costly in Sampa than Rio (Taxi, mongering, food, etc).
For Sampa, I decided to stay in Av. Ibirapuera (Moema) to be close to gentlemen's institutions (Bahamas and Cafe Photo are walking distance). Moema seemed like a nice area (for Brazilian standards) with many flats costing around or more than R$ 1 million. I stayed in Blue Tree Towers Ibirapueara (cost about R$140 including tax; also there is another Blue Tree hotel in same street - the name is Blue Tree Convension Center - that one is closer to Shopping Ibirapuera). It was a very new hotel and was about three star hotel (US Standard; four star hotel in Brazil would be about three stars in US).
Moema is about 10-15 minutes taxi ride from Av. Paulista and Centro. I decide to stay in Blue Tree due to recommendation from a Sampa guy I met in Centaurus. I would recommend this hotel and chain (most of Blue Tree hotels are new). Here are some of my impression of places I went to in Sampa:
1. Bahamas - located in south side of Moema (just before the big highway which kind of seperates Moema and Campo Belo). A big facility compared to Rio boites. Basement floor has some area to seat and a sauna facility (optional). The main floor has reception, bar, seating area, dance floor, pool table, and a fish pond. When I went there for first time, there was a good looking blond girl who told me how things work in Bahamas (in English). It costs R$ 97 for entrance fee (drinks not included), R$ 69 for rooms upstairs, and anywhere from R$ 200 to R$ 300 for girls (must negotiate).
There is about 70-80 girls available. Most are 7-8, but there are some stunners. Very few girls initiating the action so it is better to approach ones you are interested. Few girls spoke good english to make a decent conversation. The facility is decorated very well (marble floors, granite tables, water ponds with koi fish, etc). The girls are not that passionate but most will give you good enough time for you to come back (borderline GFE). The room upstairs have showers and is very nice compare to Rio termas (a big bed, posh decoration). The lighting is not so dark in Bahamas, so it is easier to see how girls really look. A guy named Oscar (claims to own Penthouse Brazil) owns this club.
Overall, a gentlemen's club with rooms upstairs and pretty girls who will make you feel like someone.
Cafe Photo - located in northside of Moema (some say this area is Itaim). Outside looks like an European building. There was a Japanese-Braziian girl who explained how things worked in Cafe Photo. She said that you must approach girls. It costs R$ 160 to get in (includes 4 drinks). There are two floors for customers (bars, seating areas, etc). Inside is darker than Bahamas, so you must make sure the garota is what you are looking for. Decoration is very european style and is definately intended for local well to do types rather than budget conscious tourist types . About 100-110 girls working with most 7-8's but a handful of 9-10's.
This place has no rooms for the hobby so it is take out only. I took a girl named Laiza (she claims to be advertised in M-Class and other Sampa escort sites). It cost me R$ 300 for her. She did provide a weak GFE (DFK, blow job without condom, etc. but without animal like passion). She had a gorgeous face but body was a bit out of shape (droppy tits and a bit of fat around waist area; overall I would say she is 7.5 lin looks). She was the only girl I experienced in Photo.
Overall, another fun gentleman club with Sampa kind of $.
Bomboa - located in Pinheros area near Oscar Freinte shopping area. It is about 15-20 taxi ride from Moema. They give you a key with numbers (like Bahamas) when you enter the club. It costs R$ 90 to get in (no drinks included), R$50 for the room, and about R$200-R$ 250 for the girl. Somedays, it is an absolute zoo. A Japenese-Brazilian owns this club. Inside is more of casual decoration than Bahamas or Cafe, but still is way nicer than Rio boites or termas There were about 70-80 girls (mostly 6-7's with few 8's). I went there two times and one was a true GFE and the other a weak GFE. This place have a sushi bar and a sauna also. Upstairs rooms have showers.
When they are busy, sometimes you have to wait like an hour for a room to be open (they have about 30 rooms). I also saw many locals just want to drink and chill. They have valet parking services.
Overall, a fun solid place with more of casual twist than Bahamas or Cafe Photo.
I found most girls are from south (Rio Grande do sul, Santa Catarina, etc) and few from Sampa. Almost no mulattas in these places. Overall, Sampa places are for local well to dos, therefore need to have fancy facilities to satisfy their egos. Sampa is definately different style than Rio.
Hello all,
Thanks for a lot of good info, I'm planing my next trip to Sampa and would like to ask if anyone planing to be there jan 17-20 '04 and also if you know of any nice Flat in Jardins that are girl friendly and near to all.
Any info is appreciated.
Peace
I just returned from Brazil, looks like I was on the same itinerary as Kent747 (SP then Rio).
My SP trip was mostly business with very little free time, so I wasn't able to check out Club W this trip, but maybe another time.
Like Kent stayed in Moema, but at the other Blue Tree (the Convention Center). It is next to the Ibuerapuera Mall, convenient for shopping and good access to cash machines within the mall. It is within 3km of Photo, Bahamas, Club W and I think Miruna 644 (haven't been there yet). It is clean and functional but not fancy (about a three star in U.S. terms).
Day 1: American Center - This is a massage place. I've never visited the facilities, but use them as an outcall because Erick, who I think runs the place, speaks English and understands customer service (very convenient if you don't speak much Portuguese). I explained to Erick that I had a very limited time window and wanted to see Eduarda if possible. He checked it out, called me back, and said she could be there. Sure enough, she showed right on time, looked better than her pictures, and delivered an excellent massage and a great FS (only drawback to Am Center is I've only had CBJ from their ladies). Eduarda was 21 yrs old, about 1.68 meters tall, very thin with a very nice face (I'd say body was 8+, face was 7+). Cost was $R200 plus $40 taxi - a bit expensive but worth it for the overall service level.
Day 2: Bahamas - I had been to Bahamas twice before with less than great experiences. Typically paid $R250-260, but had high variability in sessions. I was there in February just before Carnival and found the place to be full of sharks. However, I didn't free up from work until 11pm, so it was too late to go to Club W and I didn't think I had time to go through the Photo experience (also didn't want to bring a girl back that night). So I went to Bahamas to see what was up. To avoid repetition, I will just say that I agree Kent747's description of the place, the pricing, and the selection. Compared to February, I saw more 8's and 9's (even one or two potential 10's) and less hustling. However, there are always a few hotties advertising heavily, my advice is to avoid them. I wandered around a bit watching the scene, then decided on Ana, a tall girl (1.75 meters) who is about an 8 in looks (I like them taller even if they are not model thin) and seemed to be balanced (not agressive but not shy). We sat down, made out a bit, then negotiated (she started at $R300, I countered at $R200, we closed at $R250. I made sure it was for a full hour (no 1-pop limit) and with BBBJ, I strongly advise that you get agreement up front to minimize unpleasant surprises.
This session was my best ever in Bahamas - Ana was non-stop, must have spent 35 of the 60 minutes BBBJ. It was a GFE/PSE performance in my book. She gave me her number and I told her I would return if I was free the next night.
Day 3: Bahamas revisit - I attended a business dinner that ended early by SP standards (10:30pm) so I decided to return to Bahamas. After my walk-around I was accosted by two ladies, one of whom, Cristina, I remembered from my visit in February. She had limited BBBJ skills and was a one-pop session so there was no way I would repeat. Anyway, the two sat on either side of me while we watched the stage shows, trying to convince me that a double would be fun. The other girl was a cute blond, but I figured with Cristina for a friend that she would not be much better. I ditched them and soon found Ana. We started making out again and soon went upstairs. This time the session was much more GFE, with BBBJTCNQBS and a much higher passion level. After that we had a drink and watched three or four of the 'shows'. Ana told me which of the show girls were actually good in session (most of them are solid 8-9s, but I'm sure YMMV). She even noted two that are great as a double!
So at the expense of some variety, I received an outstanding session and a 'coach'. I will keep her number in anticipation of my next visit.
My next stop was Rio, if I can get my brain unscrambled I'll post about that in the appropriate forum.
Playboy,
I would suggest Grand Germaine Flat on Rua Padre Joao Manuel,202 Jardins 30832488. It is run by Accor and I usually reccomend it there.
Its close to everything and the rooms are very nice and clean.
Kent,
Thanks for your report. If you like these places where you subscribed, I would think you would like a few other places (frequently mentioned on this SP thread) in SP like CafeMilennium and Connections.
As you outlined, what SP offers (styles and atmospheres) are somewhat different than those of Rio and I love both cities.
Hope to read your future posting.
Off2Golf:
Where is Cafe Millennium and Connections? Maybe I will check them out next time I hit Sampa. Also, is Kilt worth going to? Also, I am interested in going to one of clinicas (Antares is frequently mentioned in this thread). I was virgin to Sao Paulo, so I hit just popular places.
Hub,
Thanks for the info, I will check it out.
Playboy
Connection is located in Tatuape and Cafe Millenium at Cambuci.
Kilt is a good spot and more caucasian friendly where Vagao Plaza across street is more asian friendly(meaning girls).
Good clinicas that I can reccomend are Antares, Abbobora and Mirunas but it all depends on your preference of ladies and price range.
Most of the popular clinicas have websites.
i was in sao paulo for a long weekend last month. it was my second trip to brazil and the first time i'd spent any time in sao paulo proper. i was traveling solo and, since my portuguese is limited to the first four pimsuler lessons, i decided to use sean from www.thebadbrazilian.com as a guide. he was friendly, capable, and enabled me to experience more of the city than i would have on my own. i think i received fair value for money but will be the first to admit a guide isn't for everyone. i never would have gone alone to some of the places we went but, as sean was a marine guard at the sp consulate and mostly does security work today, so it was easy to trust his judgement. sp has a reputation as a dangerous city but i was never uncomfortable while he was along. i also never would have found my way to the excellent churascaria that was only $r12. partly because it was way the hell away from jardims. anyway, if you are looking for a guide in sp, i recommend him highly. having a private car and driver can be a good deal as sp is sprawling and the taxi costs can run up quickly if you want to go exploring.
i spent the first night at the blue tree paulista near masp. it's a nice hotel but on sean's recommendation, i moved to the nearby transamerica flats advance for the next two nights. a small step down in quality but a big step down in price and it is in a better location. of course, we are talking dropping from $75/night to $50/night so it's not like blue tree wasn't an excellent value. unfortunately no high speed internet in the room at either location.
at my request, sean introduced me to two girls that he knew. there was no pressure from him to take either one (i don't think he had a financial interest but don't really care if he did) but i ended up spending an extended amount of time with each of them. the good news was that they were both pretty, warm, and affectionate. i was with the first one from 3pm on friday until noon on saturday ($r300) and the second one from midnight saturday until monday morning ($r600). the bad news was that neither spoke much english although we had fun with my phrase book and sean was just a phone call away when serious translation help was needed. the other bit of bad news was that while they were great girls to spend time with socially, they were way too restrained in the bedroom. not much dfk, a cbj from the first one, and less energy from the second than i expected (we met at kilt and she was a ball of fire there). about 95% relationship and 5% sex. it was certainly different from my trip to rio earlier in the year (which was 95% sex and 5% relationship). both were interesting but i'd prefer something more 50/50. i seem to have better luck with older women (one was early 20's and the other was 19).
so now it was noon on monday and i had to be at the airport by 7:30pm. i needed some serious mongering action to get caught up so sean took me to a small prive in jardins where i spent a couple of hours with a very hot chica. she gave me enough bbbj action to cover the whole weekend. i love working with a trained and experienced professional.
we then had some lunch and sean offered a choice two different experiences in jardims. the first was a high end massage parlor at $r300/hour (advance vip) while the second was another prive at $r90 (where we'd done some window shopping on saturday). i only had $r300 left and didn't want to screw around with changing money again so it was off to the prive. he called it "the yellow house" but i don't know if that's a name it's generally known by or was just because it was yellow. i picked a late-20's blonde with a smoking body and nice smile. while getting undressed and showering, i decided that, since this was going to be my last outing, i might as well double up. it was a bit of a struggle to get my request across (i've really got to work on my portuguese before i come back) but eventually she called down and up came another girl. pretty, brunette, and younger with small boobs but a tight body and a playful attitude. i guess doubles must be uncommon there because they were both acting like it was a big event. the only downsides were cbj and they didn't interact with each other. but i had a great time and it was a heck of a bargain at r$180 for the hour. sp prives are an excellent value. $r60 for a 1/2 hour and $r90 for an hour is unbelieveable. a double at solarium in rio cost me $r300 for 40 minutes once the entrance fee is included.
on the way to the airport, we stopped at embassy vip so that sean could show me what $r300 could have gotten me. it's a beautful place and at least 20 ladies introduced themselves. all were 8+ although there is nothing like classy surroundings and a great presentation to bump up scores. it was definitely a big step up in quality and it's high on my "must visit" list next time i'm in sp.
that was the end of my 72 hour trip to sao paulo. 72 hours isn't enough time but it's heck of a lot better than 0 hours. it's a long flight from the u.s. but i get enough sleep on the plane that it doesn't bother me too much. flight, hotel, meals, guide, taxis, and mongering cost me about $us1500. i'll end up earning about 50k extra miles on united from the one trip as it pushed me to the next premium level for next year so i figure i'm coming out way ahead on the trip.
rio has a more beautiful setting and help (which i pulled three terrific girls from when i was there) but sp has more mongering opportunities and better food. some argue that the girls are better in sp but i met wonderful girls in both cities so i can't tell the difference. i'm just glad i don't have to choose. next time, i'm hitting advance and the clubs.
strider
Easy Go,
Thanks for the nice report. There is plenty more for you to do in Sao Paulo. You could go to a different masage place, club, terma, or have an escort come over for 4 days out of the week for six months, and never even begin to touch the total amount of what is available in Sao Paulo.
Sounds like a great time.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
Kent,
I don’t know SP enough to give you turn-by-turn directions to Café Millenium and connection club but you can find the address and contact numbers of these clubs from their websites - www.cafemillenium.com.br and www.connectionnightclub.com.br.
While I’m in SP, I usually ride with my local staff or friend of mine and I know little geography of SP. I did post report on Café Millenium a couple of months ago on this board so you should be able to find it. I personally have not been in Connection Club but one of my local contractors (who is I called ‘certified monger’) calls this club as his ‘home club’. So it should be reasonably nice and good. I hope I can make Connection Club on my next trip. I heard that Café Millenium, Connection Club and Bacos are owned by one guy (or group of people). You would expect similar talent and programs from these clubs.
Lately there have not been much posting on massage parlors. I always enjoy to make quick visit (lunch time or late afternoon before dinner or night club) to various massage parlors. I’ve been in a few places (Antares, AdvanceVIP. American Center, FranceBel) where each has pro’s con’s. Each massage parlor offers decent massage and full service while cost varies from R$100 to R$240 for one hour service. If I generalized, higher-end massage parlors offer better quality and quantity of ladies in bigger and better facilities. If you don’t much care about massage or facility, you would find yourself having great time at Antares or American Center at range of R$100.00 to $R120.00.
I have not had opportunity to check out Kilt as it was described to me as ‘tourist trap’ but Moondog told me Kilt is not a bad place to have good time. I would not question Moondog’s account and will voucher that. I had an opportunity to meet and have dinner with Moondog in SP a few months ago and he is gentle, funny and knowledgeable fellow monger.
Hope this helps and enjoy your life when you can!
Easygo,
Enjoyed your report. I think you might be the first one reporting about the guide, Sean, at least lately on this board.
$1,500.00 for SP mongering trip covering anything and everything is not bad at all. What was the cost of the guide for 72 hours? Just curious.
I don't remember the exact amount that I paid Sean but I recollect it was around $US240. That included international airport pickup, dropoff, guide service, and mileage on the car. I'd estimate I spent around 16-20 hours over the 4 days either with Sean and his driver or with just the driver. About 4 hours of that time was spent with a couple of other visiting mongers.
The really nice thing was that he was only a cell phone call away whenever I wanted some help. I used Roxana when I visited BA earlier in the year and never regreted it for a minute which was one reason that I decided to use Sean. Once I get more comfortable in SA or when I have a wingman, I'm sure I'll use them less (I never use guides when I go to Europe) but they are great for a newbie.
Easy Go,
$240.00 is not bad at all, especially considering you have 72 hours and the city is total stranger to you. In fact, using the guide was right and smart decision for you to effectively achieve your objectives.
Over many trips to SP I have not needed to use public transportation or map to find these lovely places due to local friend or staff. If I ever needed transportation, I would even use the services if they are available at my finger tip for convenience.
To all fellow mongers,
Happy Holidays and wish prosperous upcoming new year!
Off2Golf,
Thanks for the nice words. We had a great time.
The Kilt is always a fun place, and the girls are always pleasant. If nothing is to your liking there, there are about 10 clubs within a five minute walk.
Hope to see you in February.
Merry Christmas to everyone, and have a great year in 2004.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
Moondog, thanks ...
BTW, for those interested by regular nightlife, there's a long review in the brasilian Playboy site this month on Sampa's happy hours spots, nightclubs and after hours places, for each part of the city (Moema, V Mariana, Pinheros, Itaim, Jardims, ect...) ;
Cheers
Hey Moondog,
I totally agree with what you said about Sao Paulo.
Even if you live here, the amount of treasures to be explored are too many.
Merry Christmas to all and a Great 2004.
Brooklyn Bandit
12-26-03, 19:28
Hello fellas.
First of all Happy Holidays!
Secondly, just as an FYI, I wanted to bring two websites to your attention:
http://www.sci.fi/~huuhilo/portuguese/
http://www.sonia-portuguese.com/
These sites will help you beginners with some basic Portuguese skills. I am on my way to being fluent in Portuguese and I still use both sites as reference guides. I am using them also to teach a friend of mine.
Also, EasyGo I don't know if it was really worth getting the guide. I guess for the money you spent for him, it wasn't too bad, but it seems like he steered you in the wrong direction in terms of the girls he picked for you. Maybe next time you get the guide to take you to places, but you tell him where you wanna go based on the recomendations of this wonderful group of mongers. I haven't had too many non GFE experiences in SP. I'm surprised that you had so many on one trip.
Well, I might have a business trip to SP in late Jan/esrly Feb, so hopefully I'll see some of you there.
Peace
BB
I'll be making my first visit to Sao Paulo January 11-17, staying at the Blue Tree Towers Paulista. If there is anyone who is going to be in SP during that period, I'd enjoy getting together for a drink and perhaps some joint sightseeing.
HotTraveler
12-27-03, 00:50
After reading the message board, the names of the best places are Cafe Photo, Bahamas, Love Story, Kilt, etc.
My question is: How many girls there are in those nightclubs? I've read that in Cafe Photo there are about 100 girls! If it's true, such quantity of girls is really fantastic.
Obrigado
EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited to meet the Forum's Posting Guidelines.
Bomboa's on a Weds or Thur's night could have more then 75 girls for your viewing pleasure. Sometimes its overkill because you loose track of them. So many rooms so little time!!!!!
You pick one and then a better shows up around the corner. God I hate when that happens. Then I have to book a back to back appt. Those are the worst nights of all.
Starfe
Hottraveller,
It is all true. Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday nights are best in Sao Paulo for the clubs.
Moondog
Pro,
What is the web address for the playboy Brazil article?
www.playboy.abril.com.br , then you have to register to view the articles (reportagems) and the 'estrelas' :)
Cheers
Brooklyn Bandit,
I must have given the wrong impression. While Sean made the introductions, I made the choices and, while I might wish that parts of the experience were a bit different, I very much enjoyed the time I spent with both girls and am not at all unhappy about either experience. For some people, a GFE means DFK and BBBJ. For me, a GFE is more about developing a memorable relationship.
There's lots of good (and bad) advice on WSG and I read it all when planning my trip. But I aways figure that if I'm paying somebody for advice, the sensible thing to do is to follow that advice. Sean was always open to discussing the reasons behind his recommendations and I always felt it was my decision in the end.
Like I'd said, guides are not for everyone and for every situation but, since I could afford it, it seemed like a pretty good choice for a non-Portuguese speaker making his first trip to Sao Paulo.
Easy Go
Genghis Khan
12-30-03, 10:30
I am not sure if this website for Romanza has been posted before: www.boiteromanza.com.br
Has anyone out there been to this place:
http://www.embassyvipaaa.com.br/
GK
Genghis Khan
12-30-03, 14:19
Pro,
I have registered as a user at the brazilian playboy site,
but I can`t find the article you are referring to. Would
you be so kind as to give me some directions?
Cheers,
GK
GK : it's in 'Guia de balada" : but hurry, maybe the article could change for the January edition !!
Cheers
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