Sao Paulo Reports

[WyattEarp]

Rovnak is spot on as usual.......................

The google translate integration into WhatsApp is amazing! I conversed for about a month on and off, in Portugus, with several girls I was considering. It was very cool. And I am still in touch with my favorite sweetheart even as we speak.Rovnak, very thorough information.

Does anyone know if Google Translate or any other translation app can be embedded into Whatsapp on an I-phone? Thanks.

[HungryStud101]

https://splove.com.br/acompanhante/sao-paulo/ayaka-natsumi/

Ayaka was my first taste of SPLove and I am afraid to say she left a bad taste in my mouth and I don't mean her pussy. For 400 R /106 $ that day, it was not a costly experience.

Why was I disappointed? 1st, Ayaka's photos were heavily shopped. She was still beautiful but her beautiful DDs are bolt-ONS and she presented herself as just an above average GDP. She certainly didn't live up to the photos on SPLove.

It was the service. There was no kissing and the first thing she did was put a camasinha on my cock and gave me a CBJ. Then we fucked about 3 different ways before she started an uninspired hand job. Finally she gave up and told me to finish myself! WTF? I put her hands on my cock and made her finish along with me.

After the act, she was very liberal with the wipes. She pulled out one after another and threw them on my stomach and motioned for me to clean myself up.

She told me to try her friend who lives in the same building. Andão theá menina. I was in and out in 30 minutes and this included a shower before and after.

Why so bad? Maybe she took the gringo for a fool? Maybe, she is so young (18) that she doesn't understand customer service and what it takes to earn repeat business and good word of mouth through the chain.

Next stop is Brooklin where two girls cost 320 R and the service is out of this world and the selection is very good.

My first taste of SPLove was bad. I got burned. I would avoid Ayaka. I learned once again that price has very little to do with quality of service or looks in Brazil. It was only one data point but Ayaka was the worst provider that I have had in Sao Paulo since 2010. Shame on me for booking someone so young (18 anos). But look at the photos guys. Can you blame me? I had to see.

[HungryStud101]

Brooklin.

After my disappointment I met my amigo Gus at the restaurant for almoço. He suggested I head over to Brooklyn for the afternoon for a few hours and meet him at his office before the big traffic rush at 4:30 PM.

No sooner than I arrived at Brooklin the moça said my favorite sentence in the Português language: "Meninas Presentaço. " Out they come. The first was a strikingly beautiful petite ruiva (red hair) I would of been happy with her. She bent over to kiss my cheek and said "meu nome e' Frederica. (kiss kiss) prazer. " But she was first I have to enjoy the show. Out comes the 2nd a tall slim dark morena (later I learned that her name is Porsha). I like her. And then the third and the 4th and the 5th. By now I can't remember a single name so I count them on my fingers. Out comes another dark morena (#6). I like her and I am about to pull the trigger but some guy grabs her by the hand and they walk off. I say out loud "Hey! I was going to choose her" and then just then garota # 7 comes out and she looks like a twin of Porsha. Her name is Janaína.

Janaína is about 5'8" tall. She is wearing a short leather skirt and a leather bustier that looks very stressed with her DDs trying to bust free. I grab her hand and inform the madam that I have selected.

In the room Janaína provided the best DFK and the best BBBJ of the trip. I thought about it and said "meia nove" and we were in a 69. I stayed like this for SOG #1. Janaína cleaned me up and then I asked for a massage. She gave me a full body massage with me lying on my belly messaging my neck, back ass cheeks thighs etc and then she decided to wake up Hungry jr. With first, her hands and then her mouth.

She put the condom on and we did mpos and she was outstanding. I went into doggie (I believe they call this "quatro") and then pulled out and came in her willing mouth for SOG #2.

Incredible. I told her I was done but I would sit out in the lobby and just meet the other girls. There were about 15-20 working and a third were knock outs and 3/4 were fuckable.

The women at the desk asked me in Portuguese if I was satisfied. I gave Janaína Hi marks. The women said yes, she gives great service.

I have listed a few names of notable garotas.

At 220 R which is currently 58 $, Brooklin is the best deal going anywhere in my opinion.

I shall return!

Janaína. Morena DDs body kissed by the sun.

Monalisa. Striking beauty.

Raquel. Taller, beautiful.

Freida. Small spinner ruiva.

Danny. Beautiful petite morena.

Porsha. Tall, sun-kissed Morena with braces.

Caution: Nobody speaks a word of English so bone-up or have your translator ready. I use this as an opportunity to work on my Portuguese.

Photo of Janaína to come.

[Member #4732]

https://splove.com.br/acompanhante/sao-paulo/ayaka-natsumi/

Ayaka was my first taste of SPLove and I am afraid to say she left a bad taste in my mouth and I don't mean her pussy. For 400 R /106 $ that day, it was not a costly experience.

Why was I disappointed? 1st, Ayaka's photos were heavily shopped. She was still beautiful but her beautiful DDs are bolt-ONS and she presented herself as just an above average GDP. She certainly didn't live up to the photos on SPLove.

It was the service. There was no kissing and the first thing she did was put a camasinha on my cock and gave me a CBJ. Then we fucked about 3 different ways before she started an uninspired hand job. Finally she gave up and told me to finish myself! WTF? I put her hands on my cock and made her finish along with me..Thanks for sharing. I think sharing the bad experiences is more important than sharing the good ones on this forum. There is a lot that others can learn from this example. First, I don't blame you for taking a flyer on an escort. My best times in 2018 have been with free lancers and this is the trend guys. More and more GPS are going free lance because with better communications and transportation it makes sense for a lot of them to do so. Last night I had an incredibly good experience with a free lancer. Her story is exemplary in a good way. She is in her late 20's, had worked at a clinica years ago, then got into a relationship, stopped for years, now has a full time job but wants a little extra cash, so she posted an ad on photoacompanhantes. Now, I screened her extensively and chatted for quite a bit before actually scheduling. It was worth the effort to minimize the risk of a bad encounter, which is really all you can ever do. Minimize the risk of a bad encounter. You can never guarantee that it will be great.

Not capping on you HS, but you could have minimized or eliminated your risk by following the following basic steps. I followed your link. I thought "yeah, she is hot looking". Next, I clicked on the phone number, right click, search in google. BOOM. A page of results. I scan page looking for a gp-guia link. BOOM. Follow link to her gpguia page ".

"Ayume / Yoko Leal / Sakura Leal / Pietra Leal / Pietra Massagista / R$ 350,00 - 300 Min".

Flashing red right away when I see she has used various names. Full red when I that she has 1 page of reviews with 2 negative reports, 1 positive report and several reports that were deleted by admins for being suspected of being false. So she has a horrible gpguia profile. But she had 1 positive you might say. Next, I look at the posting history of the authors. The first detailed negative TD was by a guy with 29 TDs and a long history of posting. The one positive review registered as a new user on the day they posted the positive review, suggesting it is probably fake. Thats about all I need to see and I don't even need to read the details. All of that can be done without any understanding of Portuguese. And to read the details, one could use google translate. In 1 minute I have eliminated this escort.

Next. Even without before going to gpguia I was skeptical be / see she had clearly professional photos and she shows her face and she is on a less trustworthy site. 3 flags. I mentioned several weeks ago that I recommend photoacompanhantes (with caveats) and recommend not visiting the other flashy sites precisely because the flashy sites are populated by "veteran" pros that have become TOO professional. One tip off is the professional photos, guaranteed to be photoshopped. I like photoacompanhantes because it is self service and the escorts can post simple "caseira" photos. It also aggressively links the announcements to gpguia TDs based on telephone number.

A word on showing the face. Of course I prefer to see the escorts face. Its very important to me. I hate booking without seeing the face. But. And this is important. I have learned the hard way that the ones who do show their faces "tend" to be overly professional. That is a "tendency" not a rule". There are some quality escorts that show their face. But I have become more and more suspicious of such ads. It is also a tip that the photos might be bait and switch. On photoacompahantes, there are some bait and switch ads, and I am pretty sure they are ones that do show faces. They probably steal photos from instagram and use them in a bait and switch fashion. Those are what I would call the "too good to be true" ads on photoacompanhantes. So this sounds like a catch 22. I want to see the face but I don't trust the ads that show the face. I do trust some of the ads that show the face IF the phone number is linked to good reviews OR the photos are clearly selfie types but not "instagram type" selfies. LOL. I know it sounds complicated but its really not. The selfie photos taken in motels are not "instagram type". Instagram types are photos of girls on beaches and in public spaces etc which are too good to be true. So there is a lot that can be gleaned by observing the photos. Now what if there is no face at all? Ironically, I find this encouraging because I understand that most GPS want to protect their privacy and the students and part timers in particular. But I still want to see their face. So. On to Whatsapp, game changer. Start the conversation on whataapp. If she starts in immediately with "when do you want to see me baby", that is a bad sign. If she gets irritated with a few questions, that is a bad sign. If she seems responsive, I eventually ask her to send me "foto do rosto simples", meaning a simple face photo, not a full body nude, just a simple face photo. About 50% of the responsive ones will do that. Some refuse and I respect that but I usually say "without seeing your face its hard for me to schedule with confidence, I'll think about it". Sometimes they come back later and send the face photo. Otherwise I move on to the 50% that do show the face. Once in a blue moon I will book one who refuses to show the face if our conversation is otherwise super copacetic. Those experiments have worked out well in general.

These is pretty simple trade craft that can help you maximize success and minimize disappointments.

Cheers.

[HungryStud101]

Thanks Rovnak.

I deserve the criticism. I usually do this type of vetting but this time I did not. I took a chance and I got burned. But, it wasn't too expensive of a lesson after all. I need to get used to GP Guia as a habit. It certainly wasn't the money that I wasted. It was the time. Next time I will either do my homework or stick to the old reliable privies.

[Member #4732]

Thanks Rovnak.

I deserve the criticism. I usually do this type of vetting but this time I did not. I took a chance and I got burned. But, it wasn't too expensive of a lesson after all. I need to get used to GP Guia as a habit. It certainly wasn't the money that I wasted. It was the time. Next time I will either do my homework or stick to the old reliable privies.No, we owe you a thank you for sharing a learning experience. I had thought about writing these tips for appraising escort ads but I was not sufficiently motivated. Your post gave me a good excuse because it was a great real world case study with active links.

Even with my extreme vetting I still get burned occasionally. A few months ago I saw an ad in vivalocal that caught my eye. I was a bit suspicious that the GP might be heavier than I like, my max is usually a falsa magra. So I asked her on whatsapp to send me a better photo, and she said "I will even do a video call". So she called me and held the camera up and I thought she looked great. She arrived and was like 2 x larger than I expected. In retrospect I realized she was holding the phone at an angle that minimized her girth. Since she had come to me, I told her I would pay her a cancellation fee and her uber back and she was cool about it. Still my night was ruined be / see I lost the op to do anything else. So this stuff happens and we move on.

[Steve 9696]

Rovnak, your post on extreme vetting is hall of fame material. This is why we fucking love you!

[HungryStud101]

Here is a photo of Janaina of Brooklin. She has some of the same features as Porsha of Brooklin accept Janaina has larger breasts. Several girls have this look there.

I want to say something about what I assume to be the Paulista look. I like these brown eyed girls with slightly darker skin and straight black hair. I assume that they have some Indian influence with the higher cheek bones and 365 day tan...maybe even some African influence.. but please, they do not look like typical black women. It seems every time I go to Europe and I hear there are Brazileiras in the FKK etc, I meet them and they look like black women from the inner cities back home USA. There is nothing wrong with this but this is not what I am looking for. I am looking for this beautiful mixture of Europe/Indian/and just a hint of black.

I am currently enthralled with this look. I love it more than anything else. The nice prominent firm bunda, the long legs, the sun-kissed body, the creamy skin, the high cheek bones, brown eyes and jet black hair - long and straight. I want to pursue women like this. Is this the Paulista look? It is to me. I love it.

Ha ha, you can't see her face. Maybe this is the Paulista body?

[HungryStud101]

I made a final run at Brooklin tonight and my old favorite privy didn't disappoint.

I intended to do Tangará but I couldn't find the address and panicked. The good news is that Brooklin turned out to be a mere 7 minutes further.

I walked into the parlor and heard a familiar voice say "meninas presentação. " I thought, get ready for the show Hungry. A few moments later. Here they come! Girl 1 is a petite ruiva named Fredrika but you can't take the first one. Girl 2 is nice but I'm looking for something else. Girl 3 is tempting but I prefer girl 4. Her name is Amanda. I motion to the receptionista that I will take her. But remember: This is the home of the 320 R, 4-hand massage. Who will be the other half of the dupla?

Out comes girl # 5 who looks like a good potential partner but on her heels is #6 who is hotter followed by #7 who is hotter yet. I can't remember the names. I can't even understand the names. I yell "Moça. Eu quero ela também". The desk is busy and they bring out the wrong girl but never mind. She's hotter yet. I explain "Dupla. Quatro mãos. " They get it. The hot girl explains something like "Nao fodo as meninas" and pushes her right index finger up and down through the hole of her curled up left hand and then waves her index finger to say no. Well than forget it. It's the attitude I'm after.

Meanwhile girls continue to presentaço. There are a handful of guys in the lobby and they are choosing them. Out comes my old favorite a mestiço.

That I had two duplas with 2 years prior. We became pen pals. No, I say. Her number disappeared from my smart phone on WhatAp and we are done.

Just then out comes Porcha. I love this type of GDP. Like Amanda and Janaína from last week, she has that look that I like. She describes herself as a Baiana with high cheekbones, long black hair and brown eyes that light up the room like two lanterns. This tall cool drink with the sun kissed body is named Porcha but when she says it it sounds like Poraa when she says it. It takes me asking her 15 times "Qual é sua nome. " I grab her by the hand and ass and claim her to complete the dupla. I ask her "Voce gosta as meninas?" And she shakes her cute little head up and down to say yes. She smiles with these cute dimples and braces. I had liked her last visit and chose a girl that looked sort of like her.

I inform the gerente that I have made my choice to complete the dupla and just then out come Raquel from last week and I say "espero" and my head turns so fast I wrenched my neck. I am informed by the manager that my choosing is over. I shrug and mentally prepare myself for a wild ride.

I huddle up with the girls in the front desk and try to convey what I want. We exchange "tudo bems" and the girls walk back into the hallway toward the rooms from which they came. Naturally, I start to follow and I feel a tug on the back of my jacket. The receptionista informs me that I have to pay first and the girls will return with bed towels etc. Meanwhile the talent continues to pour out into the waiting room and I ask myself, did I choose to soon?

I compose myself and sit and wait for Porcha and Andrea to return and lead me to the room. The selection process is the 2nd best part. No, it's the best part of the program.

We go to the room and the girls strip the bed and then take turns stripping me. I take a shower while they prepare themselves. I grab Porcha and start kissing her. She motions that the time hasn't started yet. I tell her "eu preciso foi embora bem cedo. O programa começa agora" and then I pull her onto the bed with me. She indicates something like she wants more money to eat pussy. I thought she was talking about chupa for me. I was starting to think she was going to be a problem but I shrugged and said "ok. " She turned out to be fine. I'm not sure what she wanted but she sucked my dick.

The Dupla started with a double blow job followed by a make out session with one garota while one sucked cock and then the other and finally all three tongues met for a deep kiss. Something I haven't done since Centaurus in Rio back in 2010. During one of the times Porcha is sucking my cock I start to put my little finger in her perfect ass. She lets me at first and then and then finally turns around with the cutest smile and shakes her head.

Finally Porcha asks me who I want to fuck first. I tell her "voce. " She puts my legs together and we fuck reverse-cow-girl while I have a nice make-out session with Amanda. I am alternating sucking Amanda's tits and having deep beijos with her, while Porcha is fucking me silly. Finally, Porcha abruptly puts her finger up my ass without missing a hump. How she did this or even thought of it I don't know but I didn't try to stop her. It felt too good. I came buckets.

We cleaned up a bit and then I asked them for the four hand massage. I turned to Porcha and asked "me ajuda. Por favor, me liga uma taxista. " Porcha asked for the address I wanted to go and called a Uber. She had to give me her real name in order to find my driver. Nice touch.

Porcha is 26 and has braces small tits and the cutest face I have ever seen. Amanda is ok. She has nice fake tits and is brand new. She is not as pretty but still nice and fuckable. Again, she's ok but I like Porcha. It's the face. Both are about 5'7" and have beautiful skin. Porcha calls me "safadinho" or naughty boy. I wanted to take pictures, but unlike Janaina, these two declined.

I walk out to catch my Uber and I see about 15 girls lined up to walk out the door to present. They must of had 20 girls there. My mestiço from two years ago stops me and says you speak Portuguese now (in Porto of course). I stop and say Hello, and I have to admit it is getting much better but I tell her "Eu falo um pouco. " I don't know what happened but this one's What'sApp number just disappeared from my contacts one day. I guess she decided to give up on me and lay a trap for someone else. Great girl. I'd rather not get to close. This favors the girl and not the guy.

[Member #4587]

Fake news keep coming, fanboys continuing cheering.

Enjoy and Chanes57 are open until 2 AM, for some time zone it is midnight then but not in Sao Paulo. There is no shift existing, girls come and go whenever they like, randomly every day. If someone cannot remember the names, no need to ask a list, it is worthless. Ask girl schedule for a week or simply send a message to receptionist to ask when she will be there.

And the word is APRESENTAÇÃO, feel free to ask see all or some of them again when cannot decide. And book the girl for next day or for future when knowing her schedule. You might even get her direct number.

[Member #4732]

Fake news keep coming, fanboys continuing cheering.

Enjoy and Chanes57 are open until 2 AM, for some time zone it is midnight then but not in Sao Paulo. There is no shift existing, girls come and go whenever they like, randomly every day. If someone cannot remember the names, no need to ask a list, it is worthless. Ask girl schedule for a week or simply send a message to receptionist to ask when she will be there.

And the word is APRESENTAO, feel free to ask see all or some of them again when cannot decide. And book the girl for next day or for future when knowing her schedule. You might even get her direct number.Haha awesome post! You are truly the life of the party.

Where would we be without such essential information? We would be lost in nits. Try going to Chanes or Enjoy after midnight on most days and see how many girls are left and if they are even still open. Technically they are open until 2 am or last customer but in practice they ramp down or close up whenever they feel like it. I wrote midnight because I thought it was a more practical guideline, but hey, by all means encourage visitors to show up at 1:30 and bang on the door and demand that they open up.

There are some girls who work days and some who work nights. For most people that is reasonably described as 2 shifts. But you are more correct, because as someone else here wrote, in Brasil "time" is a bit slack. They don't actually punch a clock at 5 pm. Whew, thanks for pointing that out. That makes a huge difference.

I write "practical" information. I rely on hard cases to provide spell check and correction. See we each have a role to play. Thanks for proving my prior stylistic analysis to be correct. I absolutely love the "And the word is" flourish, very punchy and eye catching. If you go back and add the portuguese diacritics to all prior posts then you too can have fanboys.

Cheers.

[HungryStud101]

Fake news keep coming, fanboys continuing cheering. Fake news? WTF does this mean? Am I missing something that is reoccurring in the thread?


Enjoy and Chanes57 are open until 2 AM, for some time zone it is midnight then but not in Sao Paulo. There is no shift existing, girls come and go whenever they like, randomly every day. If someone cannot remember the names, no need to ask a list, it is worthless. Ask girl schedule for a week or simply send a message to receptionist to ask when she will be there.

And the word is APRESENTAO, feel free to ask see all or some of them again when cannot decide. And book the girl for next day or for future when knowing her schedule. You might even get her direct number.It is not that one cannot remember the names (although there were so many this can be a challenge). It is more like I typically cannot understand the Portuguese translation. Porsha did not sound like Porsha. The other night in Corumba a girl was telling me her name was Tabitha. This took several minutes and a beer to finally understand that that "Tabitha" was what she was saying. This is not a trivial matter for native Anglo speakers.

I think getting to see the lineups a couple of times and then asking for a particular girl is a good idea. The problem is that this all requires some understanding of the language. I have been working on it on and off for several years. I enjoy it but I realize that I will never be fluent. When I go back, I will call and reserve Raquel if she is still there.

I'm not sure about the What's App number. This can be good or bad. The girls can be a bit clingy at times. It makes me feel guilty to see other girls. I realize that there can be some positives but sometimes it is good to keep a professional distance.

Anyway, I'm not sure of the purpose of your 1st sentence is but this was my honest impression of what I experienced at Brooklin. The presentation of the lineup is one of the best experiences a hobbyist can have anywhere and I wanted to share this with other hobbyists. Hopefully, this may inspire someone to try the Sampa scene. It is fun and that is what I want to convey here. Most Americans I work with are terrified to leave the hotel if they have to go to Brasil which is stupid!

[Member #4587]

Fake news? WTF does this mean? Am I missing something that is reoccurring in the thread?

It is not that one cannot remember the names (although there were so many this can be a challenge). It is more like I typically cannot understand the Portuguese translation. Porsha did not sound like Porsha. The other night in Corumba a girl was telling me her name was Tabitha. This took several minutes and a beer to finally understand that that "Tabitha" was what she was saying. This is not a trivial matter for native Anglo speakers.

I think getting to see the lineups a couple of times and then asking for a particular girl is a good idea. The problem is that this all requires some understanding of the language. I have been working on it on and off for several years. I enjoy it but I realize that I will never be fluent. When I go back, I will call and reserve Raquel if she is still there.

I'm not sure about the What's App number. This can be good or bad. The girls can be a bit clingy at times. It makes me feel guilty to see other girls. I realize that there can be some positives but sometimes it is good to keep a professional distance.

Anyway, I'm not sure of the purpose of your 1st sentence is but this was my honest impression of what I experienced at Brooklin. The presentation of the lineup is one of the best experiences a hobbyist can have anywhere and I wanted to share this with other hobbyists. Hopefully, this may inspire someone to try the Sampa scene. It is fun and that is what I want to convey here. Most Americans I work with are terrified to leave the hotel if they have to go to Brasil which is stupid!The first sentence was not about your report or Brooklin since I did not quote your report but added general information about continuous posting not correct information. Having direct number makes possible to agree meeting in clinica or at your hotel which is much more comfortable place, I presume. Feeling guilty about seeing other girls? You should feel the same quilt as she when she meets other guys. It is business as usual: money talks, bullshit walks. Try to think this way.

About afraid Americans, my two favourite shows: Cidade Alerta and Brasil Urgente. It is always in peoples head, more a psychological thing. If something's meant to be happen, it will, regardless of the place and time.

[Sperto]

Where would we be without such essential information?..Rovnak, just ignore him. You're a valuable source of information, he's not.

[Steve 9696]

Fellas. There is an ignore function for a reason. And Traveller has earned my second ignore ever. It's not so much that his information is wrong. I really wouldn't know. He just seems to have skipped the class on how to be a decent guy. Oh well.

[Member #4587]

Enjoy closing time 2 AM is confirmed, website is not correct. Could anyone prove at least one thing that I wrote at that time as information is not correct or false? Or named some other member with not decent words? This is not beauty writing or decent guy contest. Decent guys have wife's and families, they do not go to clinicas,brothels and boates, neither fuck others beside girlfriend or wife.

I just notice too that the wrong word went to post, because auto correct was changed that. My bad. APRESENTAÇÃO is correct.

My SP forum slogan: Nothing to receive, no one to give. That means I am done.

Absolutely do not care, am I or not in someones ignore list as SP forum is on mine.

[Steve 9696]

OK. I realized I summarized the clubs and the ten girls but did not summarize my collective knowledge as promised. So here tis. As always YMMV and we all have different perspectives but I hope some of this is helpful.

As people have said, use cash when you can. But here is the rub. Unlike other civilized countries, the hotels don't all have cash machines and the bank ones are locked up at 10 PM. So if you get horny at 11 PM, you are going to be using credit. Get your cash during the day so you are ready at night. Oh and beware not all the love motels take American plastic. Almost got stuck at one (u pay at the end) until we scrounged a few bills. Whew.

The Brasileira bunda is a real thing. Never seen anything like it and it's a real draw. Tiny waist but nice really round butt. It's amazing because it is large but not fat. Firm but not hard like you get in the gym. It is a sort of magical creation.

Take Uber everywhere. It is so cheap you don't even need to budget for it.

The boates don't get rolling till late. If you go at 11 you will be early. If you are still there at 3 you will have plenty of company.

Finding gems is not a fluke. You have to dig deeper than a pretty face. Mary Ninfeta has 40+ glowing reviews. My gem is no accident.

Learn basic Português. This totally changes the vibe. They are so impressed that you bothered they already like you better. And it really helps make it all less awkward. You can learn enough to be dangerous in 10-15 hours of content. So say a month at a half hour a day. Do it on your commute. It is an investment worth making.

If you bring her back to your hotel you are going to have to register her. There could be a small fee. The big thing is you have to be there with her signing her in. Can prove awkward for day meetings and trying to time so colleagues are not there.

Love motels are great and cheap. Maybe $20-25 for the time you need. Plus they have mirrors everywhere which is a bonus. There are plenty in São Paulo near the venues and there is one near Boate Ilha in Caxias do Sul. But its a 20 minute drive to one in Campinas.

Virtually all the working girls have tattoos, even the innocent looking ones. You may not see them -- because they choose their clothes strategically. For example I now realize Duda's thigh high boots were to cover a large evil skull on her thigh. And she is actually tattedup nearly head to toe. Fortunately I thought the skull and all the rest rather badass. Eduarda, my Moustache girl had a pretty serious backplate. So just be prepared.

Brasileiras are different and in a good way. They are more affectionate and fun than most escorts and they really aren't acting. They seem for the most part to enjoy the scene and your time together as much as you do. Of course YMMV but on balance very good souls.

Have fun fellas! And tell us all the gory details!

[Member #4732]

The Brasileira bunda is a real thing. Never seen anything like it and it's a real draw. Tiny waist but nice really round butt. It's amazing because it is large but not fat. Firm but not hard like you get in the gym. It is a sort of magical creation.
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Brasileiras are different and in a good way. They are more affectionate and fun than most escorts and they really aren't acting. They seem for the most part to enjoy the scene and your time together as much as you do. Of course YMMV but on balance very good souls.I agree with all your points but these two made me smile. Glad you had a good time. On your second point, I am very confident that they responded to you enthusiastically because you were genuinely warm and enthusiastic toward them. That is also a sort of Brazilian magic. But not all foreigners know how to tap into it.

Congrats.

[Member #4732]

My SP forum slogan: Nothing to receive, no one to give. That means I am done.
Absolutely do not care, am I or not in someones ignore list as SP forum is on mine.Aka "addition by subtraction".

[Balboa]

My SP forum slogan: Nothing to receive, no one to give. That means I am done.

Absolutely do not care, am I or not in someones ignore list as SP forum is on mine.Great post once again! 🙄
What a treat you must be to these girls, LOL. 𗀇

[WyattEarp]

The Brasileira bunda is a real thing. Never seen anything like it and it's a real draw. Tiny waist but nice really round butt. It's amazing because it is large but not fat. Firm but not hard like you get in the gym. It is a sort of magical creation.Is this suppose to be a news flash? 🙄

As far as Brasileiras being affectionate and having fun, I've come across Steve9696 on the Montreal forum awhile back. Steve knows that in Montreal DFK and affectionate providers are hit and miss. Yet some locals on a shill dominated local board will convince you the girls are all GFE and YMMV is just a normal thing. Brazil sets the standard for GFE.

[HungryStud101]

Is this suppose to be a news flash? 🙄

As far as Brasileiras being affectionate and having fun, I've come across Steve9696 on the Montreal forum awhile back. Steve knows that in Montreal DFK and affectionate providers are hit and miss. Yet some locals on a shill dominated local board will convince you the girls are all GFE and YMMV is just a normal thing. Brazil sets the standard for GFE.Curious. You keep saying this. Where are you finding all these hit and miss girls in Montreal? Maybe I got special treatment but I haven't had bad service in Montreal since circa 2014. However, I will agree with you. Brazil is my favorite hobby destination. It seems like half the girls give me their phone number and more than a few invite themselves over. Mato Grosso Du Sul is the only place I have ever had my asshole licked. I thought I was in love with Debra. Fucking amazing place. I love the culture, the language, the food the drink, the music, my friends there but most of all I love the Garota De Programas. They come in all shapes, colors, heights, and styles and at 1 $ = to 4. 09 R I can live like a king. Hell, I loved Brazil when 1 $ + to 1. 65 are back in 2011/2012. It was still a great place.

It reminds me of my favorite line from Crazy Earl of Full Metal Jacket: "These are great days we're living, bros. " I say this at the end of every night of whoring in Brazil. And then Crazy Earl goes on to say something about once we rotate back to the states there won't be anything worth killing but you have to substitute fucking for killing. I feel like a jolly green giant when I walk into a brothel or cafe and think I don't know who to pick. I'll just fuck all the ones I like. Yes Brazil is a magical place. And as Crazy Earl said. I'm back in the states now mowing the fucking lawn and mostly jacking off and marking time till my next trip out of this Gad damn sex prison.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ab7b10d6-fc5d-4a15-8f09-76fdaffd0aff

[Member #4732]

Yes Brazil is a magical place. And as Crazy Earl said. I'm back in the states now mowing the fucking lawn and mostly jacking off and marking time till my next trip out of this Gad damn sex prison.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ab7b10d6-fc5d-4a15-8f09-76fdaffd0aff.The difference is so striking that its not unreasonable to say that a "disappointing" p4 p encounter in Brazil would be considered a "great" encounter in other locations. People often claims that relationship sex is better than P4P. I think that "in general" is a false rationalization made by a lot of monogamists to justify their lack of sexual freedom and it is also informed by their sexual ignorance due to their lack of sexual experience. It "may" be true in some places and for some relationships. It may be true in cultures where the p4 p standard is terrible, not because the relationship sex is so great, but because the P4P there is so poor. In fact I am pretty sure that most studies suggest that relationship sex peaks early and declines rapidly, usually becoming routine in short order.

In Brazil my top P4P experiences blow away most of my free ones. And I am confident they would be comparable to the best free experiences of most anyone. In 2018 I had several Tinder sexual "relationships" and I could have continued getting free sex from them, without even having to make a commitment, just friends with benefits. And these were "hot" women, I don't even waste time trying for any that are not at least as good looking as my GPS. But I let them go because my p4 p encounters were far better sexually, more varied, and less complicated. And I usually enjoy the pure "company" of my top GPS better than the company of my FWBs. The GPS I repeat with are amazingly sweet and non demanding. We treat each other with mutual respect. Of course there is a financial element, but there is a financial element in any M-F relationship. Wooing a Tinder chick, usually involves transportation, dinner, a lot of "maintenance chat" and in worst cases, the dreaded "shopping". A typical "date" will often be more expensive than a typical GP encounter. The quality of the sex depends on the sexual chemistry be / t the two parties. YMMV is always always applicable.

[The Tall Man]

Curious. You keep saying this. Where are you finding all these hit and miss girls in Montreal? Maybe I got special treatment but I haven't had bad service in Montreal since circa 2014. However, I will agree with you. Brazil is my favorite hobby destination. It seems like half the girls give me their phone number and more than a few invite themselves over. Mato Grosso Du Sul is the only place I have ever had my asshole licked. I thought I was in love with Debra. Fucking amazing place. I love the culture, the language, the food the drink, the music, my friends there but most of all I love the Garota De Programas. They come in all shapes, colors, heights, and styles and at 1 $ = to 4. 09 R I can live like a king. Hell, I loved Brazil when 1 $ + to 1. 65 are back in 2011/2012. It was still a great place.

It reminds me of my favorite line from Crazy Earl of Full Metal Jacket: "These are great days we're living, bros. " I say this at the end of every night of whoring in Brazil. And then Crazy Earl goes on to say something about once we rotate back to the states there won't be anything worth killing but you have to substitute fucking for killing. I feel like a jolly green giant when I walk into a brothel or cafe and think I don't know who to pick. I'll just fuck all the ones I like. Yes Brazil is a magical place. And as Crazy Earl said. I'm back in the states now mowing the fucking lawn and mostly jacking off and marking time till my next trip out of this Gad damn sex prison.

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ab7b10d6-fc5d-4a15-8f09-76fdaffd0affSuch a true statement "I'm back in the states now mowing the fucking lawn and mostly jacking off and marking time till my next trip out of this Gad damn sex prison. ".

I too am back in LOS Angeles California and do nothing with mongering here just counting my days until I return to Medellin.

I need to re-visit Brazil again after all it has been 18 years since my last mongering trips (two made in 2000) to Rio.

The Tall Man.

[HiroHirox]

Hi,

I have no knowledge about the Boate in Sao Paulo.

Would you kindly tell me the best Boate in S. P. Please?

Some people mentioned the club name "Scandallo Lounge" but I'm not quite sure.

Price doesn't matter at all. I prefer to choose to go to the best.

Thanks for your generous support in advance.

[HungryStud101]

Such a true statement "I'm back in the states now mowing the fucking lawn and mostly jacking off and marking time till my next trip out of this Gad damn sex prison. ".

I too am back in LOS Angeles California and do nothing with mongering here just counting my days until I return to Medellin.

I need to re-visit Brazil again after all it has been 18 years since my last mongering trips (two made in 2000) to Rio.

The Tall Man.Medellin is a box I still need to check off.

I feel for you brother.

[Steve 9696]

Hi,

I have no knowledge about the Boate in Sao Paulo.

Would you kindly tell me the best Boate in S. P. Please?

Some people mentioned the club name "Scandallo Lounge" but I'm not quite sure.

Price doesn't matter at all. I prefer to choose to go to the best.

Thanks for your generous support in advance.Normally I am very generous with newbies. I mean why hoard your knowledge. But when I look at your history I see unwarranted fear mongering around STDS including advising against DFK. Definitely we have nothing in common. You are on your own dude.

[Scotty9292]

Since you say you are from Pussy Prison (good ole USA) you should maximize your time. As long as you are ok registering the girls at the front desk, by all means, have a girl to your room. It's a different kind of experience. Have a nooner with her, log some recovery hours with a nice lunch and siesta and head to one of the others when they fill up at 3.

Believe me when I tell you these girls will get you going so taking another after a few hours is no big deal (though I have to say I was surprised I could still walk after 5 in 24 hours!) would I repeat? Hell yeah!

What are you doing the other days of your visit? You'the be surprised how much you can squeeze in. I literally slept only 4-5 hours a night with all the clubbing but it was great.Thanks for the tips. I'll give it a shot. I arrive early on a Sunday morning and depart Tuesday night. Sunday will be my only day not working. I'll try out your tips. Much appreciated.

[Brazilian1988]

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[Plasmids]

Hi all,

Arrived in São Paulo on Father's Day and was not expecting much in terms of action. A quick Google search pointed to some Cinica's Some were closed but one on Indiana Street was open. Choice of two ladies as most were out. 6/10 in looks but a great body and fake breast. Had the usual shower and then a massage followed by lots of foreplay and then on to the deed. Did not realize that could have 2 shots in the allocated time.

Connected via I'm with a fellow ISG member, but given the short notice he recommended sticking to to Clinica's.

Went back to the one on Indiana street a few days later and 8 ladies available most were late 20's to mid 30's. Could were definitely 8/10 IMO. Same routine and 200 R which is real good.

Lady at the front desk said to get a membership type card and after 6 (I'm sure that's what she said) visits get 1 at 50% off.

Interestingly the 2 ladies I saw were OK to give out their number and do hotel visit in the morning before their shift started. Price was the same as in the shop I. E 200 for the hour. Did not get a chance to try room service but handy for future trips and especially on a Sunday.

All in all a good trip and thanks to the ISG seniors for recommendations. At least one of you I'll definitely meet next time as I owe you beers for all your help.

Stay safe guys.

[HungryStud101]

Hi all,

Arrived in So Paulo on Father's Day and was not expecting much in terms of action. A quick Google search pointed to some Cinica's Some were closed but one on Indiana Street was open. Choice of two ladies as most were out. 6/10 in looks but a great body and fake breast. Had the usual shower and then a massage followed by lots of foreplay and then on to the deed. Did not realize that could have 2 shots in the allocated time.

Connected via I'm with a fellow ISG member, but given the short notice he recommended sticking to to Clinica's.

Went back to the one on Indiana street a few days later and 8 ladies available most were late 20's to mid 30's. Could were definitely 8/10 IMO. Same routine and 200 R which is real good.
.I wonder if it was just the holiday? I was in Brooklyn 4 days later and there were 10-15 girls. I went back the next weekend and it was just as good but with more girls.

I remember going to Espaco Morumbi over Carnival and there was only one fuckable women and she had a motorcycle helmet in her hand and was going out the door. They called her back for me. I went back the next day (I didn't know where else to go) and there were two fuckable women out of 4 or 5. I took the same girl. I also made the mistake of going to Thailand for a long weekend on the King's birthday. All the bars were close that evening and I was in BA on an election day. Slim pickings. And the two girls I was set up with by TejoLibre and I were turned away from a swingers club because it was closed. Timing is everything.

[WyattEarp]

Curious. You keep saying this. Where are you finding all these hit and miss girls in Montreal? Maybe I got special treatment but I haven't had bad service in Montreal since circa 2014. However, I will agree with you. Brazil is my favorite hobby destination.It has been discussed repeatedly on the MTL local board as well as on the MTL board that some girls from top agencies are now offering some limited LFK. Some posters will blow smoke and argue that's still GFE, but I don't concur.

DFK is kind of a thing for me. As you know, a Brazilian girl will DFK with you the entire time like you've been dating for months. One of my favorite SP escorts (now retired?) told me I liked to kiss a lot. She was so gorgeous I told her I couldn't stop. Of course, that just made her a more passionate kisser.

HungryStud101, don't forget selection bias. I presume both of us use available on-line info to avoid less than GFE experiences. Full disclosure, I haven't been to Montreal in a few years. When I do visit, I don't want a lukewarm session.

[Steve 9696]

It has been discussed repeatedly on the MTL local board as well as on the MTL board that some girls from top agencies are now offering some limited LFK. Some posters will blow smoke and argue that's still GFE, but I don't concur.

DFK is kind of a thing for me. As you know, a Brazilian girl will DFK with you the entire time like you've been dating for months. One of my favorite SP escorts (now retired?) told me I liked to kiss a lot. She was so gorgeous I told her I couldn't stop. Of course, that just made her a more passionate kisser.

HungryStud101, don't forget selection bias. I presume both of us use available on-line info to avoid less than GFE experiences. Full disclosure, I haven't been to Montreal in a few years. When I do visit, I don't want a lukewarm session.With you Wyatt. DFK is kinda a thing for me too. Of my 10 girls in Brazil all were DFK of course. But Thifany was special. Great in bed but it's her DFK that makes her my ATF. We would just kiss for ten minutes at a time in the club (maybe more). Time kinda stood still.

And my second fave Carolina was great passionate "we both mean this" kind of kissing. So my top two both surfaced by DFK. Ain't nothing finer when it's done right and you mean it.

[SuperBuilder2]

Hi,

Scandaloso is super high end, gorgeous girls. Big club and lot of girls to choose from. Another one is BomBoa, many gorgeous girls. For a super good high end spa go to Oro spa Sao Paulo. High end and for sure all of the give GFE, good luck, enjoy. Many others seem good but are low class and cheap rooms and beds. I don't like.

I have no knowledge about the Boate in Sao Paulo.

Would you kindly tell me the best Boate in S. P. Please?

Some people mentioned the club name "Scandallo Lounge" but I'm not quite sure.

Price doesn't matter at all. I prefer to choose to go to the best.

[HiroHirox]

Scandaloso is super high end, gorgeous girls. Big club and lot of girls to choose from. Another one is BomBoa, many gorgeous girls. For a super good high end spa go to Oro spa Sao Paulo. High end and for sure all of the give GFE, good luck, enjoy. Many others seem good but are low class and cheap rooms and beds. I don't like.SuperBuilder2,

Thanks for your supportive comment. I really appreciate it.

It would help me when I get there. You're such a gentleman.

Muiito obligado!

[AltoBomGosto]

Redway open again, Rua Machado de Assis 449, nice looking girls, Gi, the manager speaks good english, Gisela.

ABG.

[WyattEarp]

My SP forum slogan: Nothing to receive, no one to give. That means I am done.

Absolutely do not care, am I or not in someones ignore list as SP forum is on mine.T44, why so angry?

All I can figure out is that you are living in Moema part-time or full-time and you consider yourself the local on-the-ground Sao Paulo expert. If anyone has a differing opinion or not the absolute precise details, you jump all over them. You live in Sao Paulo so your commentary is very valuable and you don't feel appreciated by the forum members.

I myself look for information from both locals and guys who have traveled to the destination recently. Travelers with limited time look for different things over a short trip than people who spend a lot of time in a city.

[ChrisUcla]

Hi folks,

Traveling to Sao Paolo for the first time on Sunday. I've been grateful for information on other destinations, and have posted my experiences for info for others about Guatemala, Costa Rica, Scotland, etc. I've read through the past 15+ pages of the SP threads and have used Google Maps to best estimate where I think each of the places that are discussed are located, but I do have a couple of questions due to not having a great deal of time when I'm down in SP:

It's my understanding that bars and clubs give you a card that you pay at the end of the night with your credit card. Is this correct?

If visiting a Clinica (such as Brooklin), is this normally a cash transaction, or card as well?

In order to have less tracking of my cash, I'll be bringing USD down, and plan on exchanging for Reals at a currency exchange office. Kind of have to do it to not have too much $$ show up on my credit card. Is this a good idea or necessary?

I'm staying at the Renaissance SP in the Jardins area. It looks as if Bamboa 222 is closest to me just to the west. Is this location correct, is there a better time of day / night to find working girls, and may I pay in cash and / or credit there?

When attempting to Google a location for Brooklin, it returns Brooklin Nova or Brooklin Paulista. Are either of these correct locations? (each about 7.3 km from the Renaissance).

I do realize that there are several questions above, and will happily post a story of my time down there, but any help would be most appreciated!

Thanks guys, Chris.

P.S. I do speak Spanish as well, but have been doing some Portuguese lessons on my phone per previous posts. Thanks for the heads up!

[Member #4732]

Hi folks,

Traveling to Sao Paolo for the first time on Sunday. I've been grateful for information on other destinations, and have posted my experiences for info for others about Guatemala, Costa Rica, Scotland, etc. I've read through the past 15+ pages of the SP threads and have used Google Maps to best estimate where I think each of the places that are discussed are located, but I do have a couple of questions due to not having a great deal of time when I'm down in SP:

It's my understanding that bars and clubs give you a card that you pay at the end of the night with your credit card. Is this correct?.Night clubs will give you a paper "comanda" (to track your tab) or the luxury places will give you a dongle of some sort that tracks your purchases on the computer. You pay at the end of the night in nearly all places. But there are some where you pay the "entrada" upon entering. Casarao for example, you pay 20 or 30 to enter, get a mag strip card to present to bartender and then settle your account when you leave if you consumed more than the 20-30 entrance credit. So each place is potentially an odd combination of "entrada" and "comsumaçao". Just make a note if you have paid anything to enter so you can verify that you are not paying double. If you use a credit card some places charge a surcharge, which varies.

Clinicas accept cash or charge, most (I believe, I pay cash so not 100% sure) charge an extra 5% or maybe more for credit. Others can clarify.

If you have a bank card that does not charge exorbitant foreign transaction fees I would just withdraw cash from the ATM. If you don't have such a card, then yeah, change money. RE cash vs credit. I personally prefer not to use my credit cards at these places unless absolutely necessary. I am sure my card was skimmed and cloned at 4 x 4 termas in Rio 3 years ago and I have never used my card for putaria since. Now things are better with chips in cards but still they can skim the mag strip if you are not watching them.

Brooklin Masagem is at.

Are. Joaquim Guarani, 121 - Jardim das Acacias, São Paulo. SP.

Makes sure you get that address. I honestly don't know if that is Brooklin Novo or Brooklin Paulista. Everyone I know just talks about "Brooklin", these subsections Novo and Paulista are overkill. Unfortunately, computer based systems tend to use these specific names. I could give you a dozen examples of one system using a general name and another system using a specific name. Just make sure you have the right street. Even better, Uber knows a lot of these places, most of them in fact, are locatable as destinations in the Uber app, I. E "Brooklin massagem" etc.

[Steve 9696]

Hi folks,

Traveling to Sao Paolo for the first time on Sunday. I've been grateful for information on other destinations, and have posted my experiences for info for others about Guatemala, Costa Rica, Scotland, etc. I've read through the past 15+ pages of the SP threads and have used Google Maps to best estimate where I think each of the places that are discussed are located, but I do have a couple of questions due to not having a great deal of time when I'm down in SP:

It's my understanding that bars and clubs give you a card that you pay at the end of the night with your credit card. Is this correct?

If visiting a Clinica (such as Brooklin), is this normally a cash transaction, or card as well?

In order to have less tracking of my cash, I'll be bringing USD down, and plan on exchanging for Reals at a currency exchange office. Kind of have to do it to not have too much $$ show up on my credit card. Is this a good idea or necessary?

I'm staying at the Renaissance SP in the Jardins area. It looks as if Bamboa 222 is closest to me just to the west. Is this location correct, is there a better time of day / night to find working girls, and may I pay in cash and / or credit there?

When attempting to Google a location for Brooklin, it returns Brooklin Nova or Brooklin Paulista. Are either of these correct locations? (each about 7.3 km from the Renaissance).

I do realize that there are several questions above, and will happily post a story of my time down there, but any help would be most appreciated!

Thanks guys, Chris.

P.S. I do speak Spanish as well, but have been doing some Portuguese lessons on my phone per previous posts. Thanks for the heads up!I can answer your club (Boate) questions as that was kinda my thing as you surely read in the most recent 5 or 6 pages. You get a card at entry and mostly or all consumable. But the point of the card really is for you to lose track of your spend. The drinks at Scandallo and such are super expensive and I think they do same as Russia — you order a Jack and Coke and they price out sepearatly $18 for jack and $10!for coke. And ladies drinks may be marked up.

At Scandallo the consumable entry was 150 but I ended the night at 550 not including room. Sounds huge but it's only $125 US so not really. At Fazendinha consumable entry was 200 but I hit 740 by end of night. That includes two room fees.

Best not to use credit — the fees at the clubs are high. Use an ATM but you have to go during the day. They are closed at night. I only got 3. 6 at the airport (but needed some straightaway). My debit card gave me 3. 96.

[Steve 9696]

And don't overlook Casarao which is cheap to get in and close to where you are staying. Of my ten girls my second favorite was a Casarao girl. Easily could have worked Scandallo if she wanted. And what a scene. Packed with people partying and ready to hook up. I found it worth a visit. And you can always bail — cover is only $10 USD.

[HungryStud101]

Hi folks,


If visiting a Clinica (such as Brooklin), is this normally a cash transaction, or card as well?

In order to have less tracking of my cash, I'll be bringing USD down, and plan on exchanging for Reals at a currency exchange office. Kind of have to do it to not have too much $$ show up on my credit card. Is this a good idea or necessary?

I'm staying at the Renaissance SP in the Jardins area. It looks as if Bamboa 222 is closest to me just to the west. Is this location correct, is there a better time of day / night to find working girls, and may I pay in cash and / or credit there?

When attempting to Google a location for Brooklin, it returns Brooklin Nova or Brooklin Paulista. Are either of these correct locations? (each about 7.3 km from the Renaissance).
p!Hi Chris.

The address is in here:

https://www.brooklinmassagem.com.br/home.html

A 2-hand massage was 220 R and a 4 hand massage was 320 R. There was a 20 R up charge for the use of a credit card. I always call the bank and tell them I'm going to Brazil. Years ago my credit union refused to grant me access in Brazil! Today it is no problem but be sure to call your bank and CC company to make sure. I have friends that pick me up at the airport and they go to clinica with me or drop me off or I take a cab over. They just hand me a wad of Reis and I square up with them later. They typically desire the US currency for future vacations so this works.

If it weren't for my friends I would look up AltoBomGusto. ABG has a little cottage industry where he will take you to a few clinicas for a fee. He will even speak with the girls for you and the madams to make sure you get what you want. I haven't used the service but friends of mine have and they said it was really helpful. Hell, cabs charge more than ABG does so you really can't lose.

I don't go to the boates but having said this, I want to try Scandelos. Friends of mine in Brasil like it. I hear Bamboa and Cafe Foto are tourist traps but I have never been. Hit a few clinicas before you hit a boate. I have made 13 visits to 5 different FKKs and Sauna clubs in Germany, I have been to 5 different termas in Rio hobbied for 10 years in Montreal, been to Thailand etc. Etc. And. Well, I haven't found a better deal than Brooklin for looks, service, and value.

I also want to go to Tangara as well. This is a new favorite of a good friend of mine. I had planned to go there but I got in a cab and I couldn't find their address as my cell was out of wack. http://www.clinicatangara.com.br/

As any hobby local make sure you spend a few days and try to avoid holidays.

[Sunset Strip]

Anything open on Sabado? Thanks.

SS.

[Eszpresszo]

Last weekend I was in Bogota, for the first time (my second visit to Colombia). I visited a certain house of ill repute that had been recommended highly on the Bogota forum. It has now been highly dissed by myself for their blatant attempts to gouge me as a gringo (something not common in the otherwise, on the up and up Casas de Cita of Colombia. But, that isn't what I'm here to discuss and neither are you, probably. I'm hear to talk about a Paulista.

I was sitting on the couch talking to a local dude who spoke good English, who was talking to a girl he introduced as his girlfriend. She was white, and a bit bigger than the other girls. She had bleach blonde hair with dark roots and what appeared to be an asymmetrical haircut 3 months ago, but was now a mess. She wasn't pretty and she looked trashy, though she was wearing some lace lingerie and her breasts were clearly visible through it, her pink aureolas visible under the thing material. I had been chatting with a long legged Venezolona and her fellow "Caracan" to her left, but they were mostly immersed in texting on their phones. But this guy's alleged girlfriend was something else. Her said she was from Sao Paolo, and her name was Barbara. She spoke no English but seemed happy to make my acquaintance. I didn't get the story on why she was peddling her pussy in Colombia nor did I ask. I always expect there was something she needed to get away from (like the time I met an emaciated but apparently educated Colombiana on the streets of Santo Domingo, living the life a of pauper). Anyways, while me and my newly acquainted amigo were chatting, the branca stood up and walked across the room and around the corner (maybe to the ladies room). Her outfit was like a black lack catsuit but the bottom was like a crotchless panty hose with a pair of matching black lace underwear underneath to hide the goods. She wore patent leather platform heels and clomped across the room with awesome bunda swaying and the rest of the girls glaring at her with a mix of awe and contempt. It was like a tigress walking through the jungle and she just owned the situation.

Meanwhile, I asked my new friend what was the price for an hour. 80 K he explained. That is what the rate was for an hour. I pitched an offer to the Venezolana to my left. Want to go? She nodded, and when I tried to confirm the price, she quote me 150 k! My new friend, Tomas heard this and interjected that was not right. The Venolana wouldn't budge on that price, so my friend suggested we consult the "administradora". He walked over and fetched the madame from behind a desk in the corner and she came over to discuss the matter. She confirmed my price was 150 k because of the time of the evening. My friend translated and explained that he apparently paid less for sex with his "girlfriend", because it was earlier in the evening. Because of the time I now had to pay more. I was having none of this.

The branca walked back shortly and I saw all this from the front, before she sat next to my friend. It was them that it dawned on me that this was the Brazilian sensuality that guys have been raving about for decades. That bunda, that swagger, that carefree strut that oozed sexuality. She walked with this air of extreme confidence. Once she said down and resume conversing with her "boyfriend". I tried to get the attention of a pretty Colombian girl across the room who appeared to be looking my direction, but she was actually staring at the branca, like she was also admiring her and despising her at the same time.

Then they both stood and he kissed her goodbye, said bye to me and left. She repeated her little walk out of the room and back. Again, she walked back in like she owned the place and sat down next to me. I attempted a bit of conversation with my limited Spanish but she was direct to the point and asked if I wanted "sexo". I cratered at that point. Ripoff or not, I couldn't resist. I nodded and before we could so much as stand up, I heard the two Venezolanas stand up and stomp out of the room, high heels clacking loudly only to have the rest of the girls get up and stomp off, as well. What just happened? A walkout? A protest? An insurgency? Maybe just some Latinas pissed off that they had been shut down by some trollop from the other side of the equator.

Totally non plussed by this dramatic scene of hysterical whoaring, the Paulista stood up slowly, extended her hand to me and led me to the desk to pay the ripoff 150 k for the hour of love. But, to add insult to injury, I was told by the madame that the price was now 180 k for "sexo". Suddenly I got my spine back and my brain took over the thought process. Sure it wasn't even $8 more, but I knew that they would immediately try to gouge me for something like room rental or cheap condoms, VAT, import duties or some other ripoff. I was a whale and they were trying to reel me in. I protested and the response was 160 k for "medio" (half an hour). I was having none of it. Basta! I said and left. That bunda was nice but I wasn't going to be taken like that, and if I had to go to Brazil to get it at a fair local price, then dammit I was going to Brazil to get it.

And that is where we stand. Now, somebody please, please, please tell me that Barbara was just a glimpse of what I've been missing.

[Member #4732]

I like Tangara, but the management there have a tendency to overwork their popular girls. Yesterday, I had a free lance meetup fall through so I texted Tangara at 7 pm to book someone on my to do list, as plan be. But I had concerns that she was probably tired and ready to go home. So I said to the manager "she probably has been working all day, yes? I can book another day". The manager insisted "no, she was not busy today, come now". Stupidly I agreed. I met the girl, went to room, she tried her best but was clearly played out. I told her "lets stop at the half hour because you are not into this". I told her what transpired be / t me and the manager, and she said that she had worked non stop since her arrival at noon. Even the most sexually capable GPS can't provide great service for that many hours. I already knew this to be the case with Tangara as I have a good friend who worked there for a few weeks as a GP and she was extremely popular and she has an extreme sexual appetite and she complained to me that it was just too much, and the managers would not give her any breaks. So I have only myself to blame for taking a flyer late in the day. I should have known better.

In contrast, I had 2 amazingly good sessions at Tangara this week when I arrived in the early afternoon and was the first client for 2 girls. So its important to bear this kind of thing in mind.

[AltoBomGosto]

Anything open on Sabado? Thanks.

SS.Tangará, Redway are open for shure.

ABG.

[AltoBomGosto]

Tangar, Redway are open for shure.

ABG.Also Vani's Way and Espaço Vergueiro will be open.

[Member #4732]

That bunda was nice but I wasn't going to be taken like that, and if I had to go to Brazil to get it at a fair local price, then dammit I was going to Brazil to get it.

And that is where we stand. Now, somebody please, please, please tell me that Barbara was just a glimpse of what I've been missing.I have not been to Colombia so I cannot provide first hand comparative analysis. I find myself looking at some of the chica prepago web sites there and drooling but I have not yet made the trip, primarily because the supply of top quality in Brasil just keeps me so busy and happy. Still, I hope to go there someday. In reading this site for years, there are many posters who absolutely love Colombia. Its unclear how many of them have visited Brasil as well, and how many of them have allocated time to do an apples to apples comparison. It would be hard for me to do an apples to apples comparison because my Brasil experience is so vast, that any short time in Colombia would not be able to do Colombia justice. That said, anecdotally, just recently, a monger on this board planned to go to Bogota for several weeks, but was so disappointed that he left after a few days and spent the rest of his trip in Sao Paulo. Maybe he did not give Bogota enough time. Also, I have an Irish friend who lived in Rio and Salvador and visited Sao Paulo for a week. He now lives in Medellin and he tells me he was disappointed by the P4P in Medellin compared to his experiences in Brazil. Take that with a grain of salt because he is not the best at finding opportunities on the ground. Still, he has not said to me "man, you got to come to Medellin". Instead he said he is hoping to visit SP again soon.

Personally, I can attest to one thing. The Brazllian ladies have a wonderful attitude toward sex and sexuality. Sex in Brazil is viewed as a natural appetite, something to be indulged and enjoyed without shame or ulterior motives. Sex is not some "reward" or "weapon" that women wield over men, as in some cultures, something to be withheld or granted. Brasileiras are refreshingly brazen about their own sexual desires and appetites. As for looks, yeah, the Brazlian bunda is pretty incredible. The racial mixing has resulted in a kaleidoscope of body and facial types. But tastes are personal, you just have to come and decide for yourself.

[The Tall Man]

I have not been to Colombia so I cannot provide first hand comparative analysis. I find myself looking at some of the chica prepago web sites there and drooling but I have not yet made the trip, primarily because the supply of top quality in Brasil just keeps me so busy and happy. Still, I hope to go there someday. In reading this site for years, there are many posters who absolutely love Colombia. Its unclear how many of them have visited Brasil as well, and how many of them have allocated time to do an apples to apples comparison. It would be hard for me to do an apples to apples comparison because my Brasil experience is so vast, that any short time in Colombia would not be able to do Colombia justice. That said, anecdotally, just recently, a monger on this board planned to go to Bogota for several weeks, but was so disappointed that he left after a few days and spent the rest of his trip in Sao Paulo. Maybe he did not give Bogota enough time. Also, I have an Irish friend who lived in Rio and Salvador and visited Sao Paulo for a week. He now lives in Medellin and he tells me he was disappointed by the P4P in Medellin compared to his experiences in Brazil. Take that with a grain of salt because he is not the best at finding opportunities on the ground. Still, he has not said to me "man, you got to come to Medellin". Instead he said he is hoping to visit SP again soon.

Personally, I can attest to one thing. The Brazllian ladies have a wonderful attitude toward sex and sexuality. Sex in Brazil is viewed as a natural appetite, something to be indulged and enjoyed without shame or ulterior motives. Sex is not some "reward" or "weapon" that women wield over men, as in some cultures, something to be withheld or granted. Brasileiras are refreshingly brazen about their own sexual desires and appetites. As for looks, yeah, the Brazlian bunda is pretty incredible. The racial mixing has resulted in a kaleidoscope of body and facial types. But tastes are personal, you just have to come and decide for yourself.Very well said about the Brazillian attitudes with sex being just a natural part of life. I have spent considerable time in Medellin and Bogota and also visited Rio twice but that was 18 years ago, so The Mall Man needs to take a trip to San Paulo and see what all the talk is about.

The Tall Man.

[Member #4732]

Hi Chris.

I don't go to the boates but having said this, I want to try Scandelos. Friends of mine in Brasil like it. I hear Bamboa and Cafe Foto are tourist traps but I have never been. Hit a few clinicas before you hit a boate. I have made 13 visits to 5 different FKKs and Sauna clubs in Germany, I have been to 5 different termas in Rio hobbied for 10 years in Montreal, been to Thailand etc. Etc. And. Well, I haven't found a better deal than Brooklin for looks, service, and value..Bomboa and Cafe Photo are not tourist traps by any stretch. At one time Scandalo, Bomboa and Photo were all banging, all packed and all worth a visit if one wanted to see the most ladies. They were all about the same price point, and quality. I say "were" because the economic crisis and the rise of direct marketing by freelancers has reduced both the supply and the demand in the boate marketplace. I have not been to either Photo or Bomboa in over a year. Scandalo is reliably packed with women and customers Tue-Wed-Thur. I have heard that Bomboa is still pretty good on those days as well. Photo is a bit different from the other 2 as it has different rules for the ladies which supposedly attract more "semi-pro" types, as a woman can work there at will any night without commitment to work 5 days per week as at the other clubs.

I tell visitors to do whatever their budget allows, if you have deep pockets visit them all. You can always leave and go to another or to Cassarao. If you have to choose 1 only 1, then Scandalo is the best bet.

[Balboa]

Very well said about the Brazillian attitudes with sex being just a natural part of life. I have spent considerable time in Medellin and Bogota and also visited Rio twice but that was 18 years ago, so The Mall Man needs to take a trip to San Paulo and see what all the talk is about.

The Tall Man.I've been hangin in both Colombia and Brazil for almost 20 years now.

Just got back from a week in Medellin and a week in Cali, and my booty is now sitting in SP Brazil, at my favorite churrascaría, heading to Casarao in about 30 min.

IMO, the Brazilian girls in general just have that extra sexual chromosome that puts them at the top of the sexual appetite and performance spectrum.

I just had an amazing 3 hours with a beautiful, sexy girl I got lucky to meet at a low end place in Centro.

I extended the session from 1 hour to 3 hours because I just wanted to stay with her and enjoy and have more great sex.

Colombia is great!

Colombian women are great!

They are generally very affectionate and loving girls.

I'll always return there and will most likely retire there due to the closer proximity to the US, where I have family.

The Brazilian girl though wins, IMO, generally speaking, in the great sex debate.

[Steve 9696]

Here is a photo of Janaina of Brooklin. She has some of the same features as Porsha of Brooklin accept Janaina has larger breasts. Several girls have this look there.

I want to say something about what I assume to be the Paulista look. I like these brown eyed girls with slightly darker skin and straight black hair. I assume that they have some Indian influence with the higher cheek bones and 365 day tan...maybe even some African influence.. but please, they do not look like typical black women. It seems every time I go to Europe and I hear there are Brazileiras in the FKK etc, I meet them and they look like black women from the inner cities back home USA. There is nothing wrong with this but this is not what I am looking for. I am looking for this beautiful mixture of Europe/Indian/and just a hint of black.

I am currently enthralled with this look. I love it more than anything else. The nice prominent firm bunda, the long legs, the sun-kissed body, the creamy skin, the high cheek bones, brown eyes and jet black hair - long and straight. I want to pursue women like this. Is this the Paulista look? It is to me. I love it.

Ha ha, you can't see her face. Maybe this is the Paulista body?I happened across this post a few back but it caught my eye because it is spot on! These are the girls I die for. There has been some magic genetic concoction going on here mixing race for hundreds of years and it's the winning formula for me. My top four were perfectly this mold. Thifany, Carolina, Eduarda, and Karina all are cut from the same cloth above. I would only add to that, that part of the recipe is full lips -- not fake plump -- just perfectly full and BJ friendly. Tack on a thousand watt smile and you have the perfect Brasileira! Best looking and best GFE in the world IMO.

[HungryStud101]

I happened across this post a few back but it caught my eye because it is spot on! These are the girls I die for. There has been some magic genetic concoction going on here mixing race for hundreds of years and it's the winning formula for me. My top four were perfectly this mold. Thifany, Carolina, Eduarda, and Karina all are cut from the same cloth above. I would only add to that, that part of the recipe is full lips -- not fake plump -- just perfectly full and BJ friendly. Tack on a thousand watt smile and you have the perfect Brasileira! Best looking and best GFE in the world IMO.I have to agree. You just can't beat these girls. You just cannot! You mix the races and multiply the average female sex drive times 100! The FKK feels too transactional (I like them too). I love Montreal but unless you attend the parties you are forced to take your pick from a few headless photos and with the exchange rate, pay 3 X the price of Brazil for 1 on 1 and much more than that for a 3-sum.

I have been to the upscale termas in Rio and Joinville and paid a heck of a lot more than the clinicas. The girls in Centaurus aren't as good looking. I want to go to the tourist boates but I can't get past the clinicas. My friend who is an executive for a multi-national recommends Scandallos but even he admits that you will pay 3 x more for women that are 10% better (I am paraphrasing but he said something like this. It is the old marketing rule and he is a marketer.) My best friend's boss who is another Scandellas fan recommended setting me up with one of his apartment girls. They were more than double to price. I said no thanks, I just got back from an apartment girl. See the review below. She was hot but her photos were shopped...anyway I like to pick from the line-up. Even my friends boss admitted that you run into a a princess and then you have this hot girl that does not give the same services. I want to take him up on this but I can't get through all the girls at Brooklin for 59 $ US dollars and 80 $ for a 3-sum! Both guys told me that Brasileiro businessmen like college girls that don't look like escorts and that is why they go to Scandelas. I love women in heels and the tight dresses that are dressed for the club and I would pay extra for this.

The first time I took my buddy Gus in a clinica that Sao Paulo hobbyists from here and MERB recommended, he thought that the 220 R was just for the room and that I would have to then negotiate a fee with the garota de programa. He kept saying "eu nao acredito" because Sampa is the most expensive city in Brasil...He couldn't believe that you can be with girls like this for so little money. My friends really liked the show even though they wouldn't partake. My friend Gus's wife smells him for other women so he only hobbies on the road. They both kept saying it takes a gringo.

Also, I don't know of any straight businessmen in Brasil that do not partake in the hobby on some scale. It is part of their culture there and they are not tainted by the #MeToo moral panic yet. Maybe it is because it is the ugly feminist in the USA that is most opposed to prostitution. You see they got left home on prom night and no one ever wanted to fuck them and they are taking it out on the world.

I am going back in March and I will have more time. I promise to hit a Boate to see what the fuss is about but it's tough to beat these $60 USD options. And then they want to go home with you! I have hobbied all over the world and this scene is my first choice.

Meninas. Presentacao!

Oh excuse me its "meninas apresentao".

[Eszpresszo]

Personally, I can attest to one thing. The Brazllian ladies have a wonderful attitude toward sex and sexuality. Sex in Brazil is viewed as a natural appetite, something to be indulged and enjoyed without shame or ulterior motives. Sex is not some "reward" or "weapon" that women wield over men, as in some cultures, something to be withheld or granted. Brasileiras are refreshingly brazen about their own sexual desires and appetites. As for looks, yeah, the Brazlian bunda is pretty incredible. The racial mixing has resulted in a kaleidoscope of body and facial types. But tastes are personal, you just have to come and decide for yourself.Thank you, sir for weighing in, here. I've enjoyed your posts and don't be dissuaded by the bad attitudes I see on these forums, sometimes. In particular, someone who was picking your posts apart a while back.

Colombia is easier to access from many points in the US, due to flight times, connections and it is not expensive for the flight or the costs on the ground. Its a great place for low-budget mongering with pretty Latinas. I think Brazil has more obstacles to travel, mainly paying for a visa, more expensive and longer flights, and what would appear to be higher costs on the ground than in Colombia. I would expect that is factor in the number of Americans raving about Colombia.

And then there is always "group speak" to watch out for. You might recall an older website from back in the 90's that had a similar name and format as this one. At that time, the limited numbers of posters were raving about Colombia being better than Brazil. Some of these professed to have experience in Brazil but complained it had gotten too expensive and that tourists had ruined the mongering. They raved about the beauty and service of the Colombianas like Brazil was just trash. I was surprised to read this, as Brazil had a great reputation for prostitution and I imagined Colombia being a terrible, dangerous place (this was over 20 years ago) that no sane person would visit. But, this was pure "group speak" in hindsight. My perspective on Colombia was also jaded by the ignorance of the media. Nowadays, the opinions on this site seem to be the opposite of what I described. But as you said, in the end we all have to make the visit and form our own opinion on our own experiences.

One thing I noticed about Brazilians is their extroverted, uninhibited nature and tendency to act out vocally. In Colombia, I noticed the locals are respectable, subdued types who seem to be self-conscious, in comparison. A week ago, I was in Bogota on top of Monserratte, a tourist attraction on top of a mountain overlooking Bogota, serviced by a funicular rail train. I'm boarding the funicular rail car for my descent and a group of Brazilian tourists board the train as well, talking loudly and generally giving me a good lesson in the language. I'm trying to learn Brazilian Portuguese by watching videos and I'm understanding much of what they are saying. It is taking longer for the descent to begin than they care for. But when the car starts to move, they cheer loudly, a few start to chant out something with their fists pumping the air. The rest of the Latino occupants of the train stare at them with silent appall. I suppose that says a lot about the differences in their culture and demeanor. I've noticed this tendency in Brazilians I've met in the past (individually and in groups), uninhibited and often quite friendly, though often saying what they are thinking even when it would be a good time to shut up. But, I guess that makes for great sex and Brazil seems like a place where you can meet people and make friends quite easily?

[Scotty9292]

Hi Chris.

The address is in here:

https://www.brooklinmassagem.com.br/home.html

A 2-hand massage was 220 R and a 4 hand massage was 320 R. There was a 20 R up charge for the use of a credit card. I always call the bank and tell them I'm going to Brazil. Years ago my credit union refused to grant me access in Brazil! Today it is no problem but be sure to call your bank and CC company to make sure. I have friends that pick me up at the airport and they go to clinica with me or drop me off or I take a cab over. They just hand me a wad of Reis and I square up with them later. They typically desire the US currency for future vacations so this works.

If it weren't for my friends I would look up AltoBomGusto. ABG has a little cottage industry where he will take you to a few clinicas for a fee. He will even speak with the girls for you and the madams to make sure you get what you want. I haven't used the service but friends of mine have and they said it was really helpful. Hell, cabs charge more than ABG does so you really can't lose..Is the a way to get in touch with AltoBomGusto? I would be interested in a guide to show me around. Being up in the US it's quite painful to get a real account on here. I'm waiting for activation to PM after sending cash via carrier pigeon!

Thanks.

[Member #4732]

I am going back in March and I will have more time. I promise to hit a Boate to see what the fuss is about but it's tough to beat these $60 USD options. And then they want to go home with you! I have hobbied all over the world and this scene is my first choice.

Meninas. Presentacao!

Oh excuse me its "meninas apresentao".Hey,

Stop with that fake news "presentacao" Jeez, imagine what would happen if you actually said presentaçao instead of apresentaçao? They might actually think you were a local instead of a gringo because locals routinely fail to enunciate the full word. Obrigado is an example where locals often say "brigada' or "brigado" without enunciating the O. Gringos enunciate the initial O more than locals. Same thing with "imagina", many locals pronounce it like "magina". And of course there is the erosion of the entire set of conjugations of "estou", "esta" being shortened to "to" and "ta". That is your fake news for today.

By all means check out a boate or two but go on a good day. I cannot stress this enough. Tue-Thursday are the days for the high $ boates. Sure they may be OK on other days, but if you want to see what the fuss is about, you need to see them during the peak days. There may be as many girls the other days but with less guys the vibe is different. Its not really a better buyers market when there are less guys because most of the boate girls do not adjust their pricing to reflect the demand. Most are too proud to lower their price too much and would rather go home than go too low. There is something electric when the place is full and all the women are angling.

The boates are never ever going to be a good deal price wise compared to clinicas or even free lancers, so don't even think about that. You are not paying for the hour of sex (or night if you do take out), you are paying for the thrill of being surrounded by more sexy and available women than you may ever see in one place in your life. Its the thrill of "the possibility" that you can have any woman in that place, like Aladdin with a debit card.

Its like the Ben Kingsley character says in Sexy Beast "It's not about the money. It's the charge, it's the bolt, it's the buzz, it's the sheer fuck off-ness of it all. Am I right?

[EstimulantesNa]

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[WyattEarp]

If you absolutely want the thrill of choosing a girl from a line-up or a flock at a boate, then yes you have to weigh the price-experience proposition between boates and clinicas. Some guys make the most of their clinica experience and some guys prefer chasing the girls at the boates. I think SP visitors should visit both. Who doesn't want the rush of a line-up or a group of programa girls?

There is a third way in Sao Paulo that always gets less note. It's more deliberate and requires a bit of work. Yes, read the local Portuguese boards, find lookers who perform in bed and then back research into their photos. Many of the girls reveal their faces on websites and even more on Twitter. If you're flexible and fine with fake breasts and tattoos, you will find a plethora of hot SP escorts in the 300-450 reais range some offering 90 minutes at that price. Many will provide CIM and anal without upcharge. One word: Whatsapp

It's a great option if you are working all day, tied up much of the evenings and tired. If you are lucky, you know your local colleagues well enough to say "hey, let's go to a boate or a clinica."

[HungryStud101]

You said it Wyatt. There are just too many options in Sampa.

So many social engagements and so little time.

Next visit, I promise to do a better job of focusing on the Sampa scene.

[FunnyLoverBoy]

Hi Members,

I'm visiting to São Paulo next week and want to know if any good place to hookup the young college girls in any spas or clubs, where I can talk in English. I know a little portugués too.

How safe is it to get the girls in hotel? Is there any risk envolved? Heard sometime they peperon like mixing in rinks.

Anyone have some local contacts please pass to me.

My Pm is active.

[Steve 9696]

I appreciate all of the information you guys have provided!

I'm going to Sao Paulo next week, and will be staying for 8 days total. I was in Rio for a few days earlier this year, but have never been to Sao Paulo. I'll be staying in Moema based on what I read in this forum.

I've seen a couple people highly praise Fazendinha, including Steve just recently. I'm wondering if those who have been there would recommend spending a night in Campinas in order to check it out while I'm there. Is it something special compared to Scandallo, Bamboa, or other high end places? Is it worth the drive?By my reckoning you should be back? Tell us all about it eh? Where all did you go? Who all did you do!

[ILuvThePussy]

Wrong thread

[Big Boss Man]

I find Twitter feed helpful. https://twitter.com/AndarilhoGPGUIA?lang=en.

[HarvestBoi]

I find Twitter feed helpful. https://twitter.com/AndarilhoGPGUIA?lang=en.Thank You! Very helpful. I was looking for a way into the Twitterverse of SP GDPs and that was the push I needed.

It's also useful to asses the 'photoshop gap' as the twitter photos aren't glammed up like the sites. As expected a lot of girls don't look quite so hot in candid photos but over all the gap is acceptably close.

There goes a few fun hours just cruising around for research. My word, Sampa has a ton of options.

[JamieStarr38]

I find Twitter feed helpful. https://twitter.com/AndarilhoGPGUIA?lang=en.Very cool. Is there a twitter feed that covers Rio?

[Giants14]

By my reckoning you should be back? Tell us all about it eh? Where all did you go? Who all did you do!Unfortunately I had something come up and had to change my plans. I pushed my trip back until mid October. Will report back next month!

[Torgoch]

I find Twitter feed helpful. https://twitter.com/AndarilhoGPGUIA?lang=en.I found this link as well where you can check out the girls on the videos and then search for them on gpguia to find locations, TDs and prices.

https://www.xvideos.com/profiles/redsoxrs#_tabVideos.

[AltoBomGosto]

Hi Members,

I'm visiting to So Paulo next week and want to know if any good place to hookup the young college girls in any spas or clubs, where I can talk in English. I know a little portugus too.

How safe is it to get the girls in hotel? Is there any risk envolved? Heard sometime they peperon like mixing in rinks.

Anyone have some local contacts please pass to me.

My Pm is active.Please PM me!

ABG.

[Member #4732]

Following up my own report about tips for vetting free lancer anuncios. Another thing that makes me go "hmmm" are the free lancers that accept credit cards, particularly the ads that say they are very young, 21 or less, new to this work, and yet "aceito cartões de débito e crédito". I expect older, established providers to accept cards, but when someone very young and supposedly new to the biz is accepting cards I become skeptical that the ad may be agency based. Ditto with "new" providers that are already working out of a flat in Moema or Jardins.

That is not to say that all agency based girls are going to disappoint but I prefer to avoid them. They are probably coached to put out as little as possible. They are liekely to be overbooked and running late. They are the biggest risk of bait and switch. And when you are texting you may not be texting directly with the provider but rather with a agency rep pretending to be the provider.

It used to be that agencies were easily identified by their phine number but now they can get separate mobile numbers for each girl in order to avoid detection. So one has to look for other tells.

[Member #4732]

I went to Scandalo with another board member last Thursday night. We went before 7 to get the 150 entrada (put toward consumption). FYI that promotion not available during F1 week. We both went with no intention of sessioning at the club so I did not even find out what the girls were asking in house. I chatted extensively with 5 and got numbers from 4, but I was up front about my intent to see them outside of the club so we never discussed price. My wing man chatted up a super cute 20 year old from Curitiba who was brand new in the club. She agreed to see him the next day and I think they settled for 500 for an hour at his place. I have only followed up with 1 of the contacts I made and the news is not good to say the least. This was a beautiful all natural 20 year old Carioca, super sweet in the club, sat on the couch with me for a long time while we chatted and exchanged contacts, then sent me a bunch of messages etc. But when I finally broached the subject of price the next day, I took the initiative trying to preempt her position. I said "I see free lancers, and I am willing to pay reasonable free lancer price, 300 plus uber for 90 minutes". LOL, I think I blew her mind. She replied that she was not a free lancer and that would not be paying for sex but for her 'momentos" (time). She wanted "2500 $ para dormir juntos e 1500 $ para passar a tarde inteira ou a noite juntos, se quiser 1 hora na sua casa 1000 $". That was a new record! I told her "no way I would pay that when I have so many options for way way less, but, hey, good luck". And that was that. Even at 21 she was experienced, having worked the big termas in Rio, and was in SP to make big $$. So there you go, the Scandalo kool aid is strong with the women there. I guess they are making their own rational decision, who knows, maybe guys pay her that much in the club. If they do, they are blowing up the market unfortunately.

Overall, the scene at Scandalo was a notch below what I had seen, I think my last visit was in May of 2017 and there was a noticeable drop in the average level of beauty. There were a lot of girls, particularly early, that were a few kilos over the line, who I would not do even do at a clinica. I mean, I have a better waist line than many of these women. There were very very few 8's for my level. The next day I got a status message from a clinica with a photo of a new girl who, if she had been at Scandalo would have been in my top 5 looks wise. So, despite my comment below about going to Scandalo for the buzz. This visit was not a great buzz form me, though I am jaded. It was a decent time, not a waste of 150, but I think the probability of getting Scandalo girls to agree to free lance market prices outside the club is pretty low. Probably a lot of the average chicks would go low, but they are average and no better looking than clinica girls. So if you go to Scandalo be prepared to pay the going rate, or just go to look like we did. Just manage expectations. There was definitely no significant difference in the "average" look between the "current" Scandalo girls and the current clinica and free lance girl. There were just "more' women and the were better dressed, and there is the club atmosphere.

[DoMat]

Brooklin seems to get a fair bit of likes here for some reason I can't understand.

They have this weird policy now that to start a punch card you have to have joined gpguia before 2017. I mean wtf? They also want the first to to be 220 rs.

It's like they don't want any new regulars. The 220 normal price is higher then most comparable places. Girls the same as other places.

Receptionist are also not the freindliest either. Though one I saw today if she was a receptionist is easily the hottest around.

Also annoyed a couple of my stay overnighters are moving away or getting out of the business. New girls I like want more then I willing to pay.

I guess this is just a rant.

[DoMat]

Rovnak- thanks for the report. I was thinking of checking out Scandello again but might not after that report. Will see.

What kind of prices are you offering for overnight stays?

[Balboa]

I went to Scandalo with another board member last Thursday night ...
This was a beautiful all natural 20 year old Carioca, super sweet in the club, sat on the couch with me for a long time while we chatted and exchanged contacts, then sent me a bunch of messages etc. But when I finally broached the subject of price the next day, I took the initiative trying to preempt her position. I said "I see free lancers, and I am willing to pay reasonable free lancer price, 300 plus uber for 90 minutes". LOL, I think I blew her mind. She replied that she was not a free lancer and that would not be paying for sex but for her 'momentos" (time). She wanted "2500 $ para dormir juntos e 1500 $ para passar a tarde inteira ou a noite juntos, se quiser 1 hora na sua casa 1000 $". That was a new record! I told her "no way I would pay that when I have so many options for way way less

Nice report Rovnak!

I'm not in to the over-priced (IMO) garotas at Scandalo either.

Your Carioca wanting 2500 $ for "momentos" is nuts. That over-pricing like that totally turns me off.

I found a diamond recently at a low end place near Republica, she came to my place the following day and was thrilled when I put 200 $ under her purse the next morning.

[Member #4732]

Rovnak- thanks for the report. I was thinking of checking out Scandello again but might not after that report. Will see.

What kind of prices are you offering for overnight stays?Its a fair question and there are others who can answer better than I. When I visited Brazil years ago, I used to pull girls from Bomboa for all nighters but have not done that in a long time. I know some guys that don't post much that like to arrange all nighters, perhaps they can weigh in.

Living here, I have built in advantages and it would not be fair to expect visitors to follow my personal approach. I don't actually like all nights any more, or rather I should say, I don't pay for all nights any more. 2 hours is the sweet spot for me. Not too short, not too long. I see one semi-pro hairdresser about twice a month and she insists on staying over night, but I do not pay an overnight rate. In fact, I would not complain if she left after 2 hours to be honest, but she insists on staying. Occasionally, I will tell other guests, "you are welcome to stay the night but that is as friends, no extra $". Sometimes they do, most times they don't. Most prefer to sleep at home and I totally understand that.

That is my style. I understand a visitor has different priorities and all nighters can be special. I just don't have any pricing advice except to start low and see how they respond. I personally hate negotiating so if someone does not accept my first offer, I usually just move on to someone else.

[WyattEarp]

Following up my own report about tips for vetting free lancer anuncios. Another thing that makes me go "hmmm" are the free lancers that accept credit cards, particularly the ads that say they are very young, 21 or less, new to this work, and yet "aceito cartes de dbito e crdito". I expect older, established providers to accept cards, but when someone very young and supposedly new to the biz is accepting cards I become skeptical that the ad may be agency based. Ditto with "new" providers that are already working out of a flat in Moema or Jardins.

That is not to say that all agency based girls are going to disappoint but I prefer to avoid them. They are probably coached to put out as little as possible. They are liekely to be overbooked and running late. They are the biggest risk of bait and switch. And when you are texting you may not be texting directly with the provider but rather with a agency rep pretending to be the provider.

It used to be that agencies were easily identified by their phine number but now they can get separate mobile numbers for each girl in order to avoid detection. So one has to look for other tells.I think Sao Paulo escorts learn the business very quickly. They probably learn the trade from other girls. I don't think there is any way to know for sure how young and experienced girls are beforehand. Perhaps some locals with contacts get recommendations of young talent from their network. You can also jump on a girl who has a few positive gpguia reviews before she gains experience.

I don't find agencies to be a big presence in SP or Rio. I've typically dealt directly with the girl via Whatsapp. They can be quite flirty. They don't want to lose a fish they have on the hook. I might make some requests, but I usually know from gpguia what they do or don't do. I also request certain clothing particularly if I've seen them dressed in a sexy outfit in their ads or on twitter.

Let's face it a 19 year old Brazilian girl who has taken up escorting is likely to have a lot of sexual experience. It's certainly possible to find the young girl at Scandallo who's relatively new and looking to make a few bucks. In the old Help Disco days in Rio, those young girls were typically taken under an experienced friend's wings. One time, I hooked up with a younger sister very new to the game. She was adorable, very open and a lot of fun. I'm sure her older sister assured her I was a good guy and a good time. I was younger too, better looking and in better shape.

I've found with a little bit of research that Sao Paulo escorts are quite beautiful, sexual and wanting to please.

[Member #4732]

I think Sao Paulo escorts learn the business very quickly. They probably learn the trade from other girls. I don't think there is any way to know for sure how young and experienced girls are beforehand. Perhaps some locals with contacts get recommendations of young talent from their network. You can also jump on a girl who has a few positive gpguia reviews before she gains experience.

I don't find agencies to be a big presence in SP or Rio. I've typically dealt directly with the girl via Whatsapp. They can be quite flirty. They don't want to lose a fish they have on the hook. I might make some requests, but I usually know from gpguia what they do or don't do. I also request certain clothing particularly if I've seen them dressed in a sexy outfit in their ads or on twitter.

Let's face it a 19 year old Brazilian girl who has taken up escorting is likely to have a lot of sexual experience. It's certainly possible to find the young girl at Scandallo who's relatively new and looking to make a few bucks. In the old Help Disco days in Rio, those young girls were typically taken under an experienced friend's wings..Wyatt,

Much of what you wrote is a general endorsement of SP free lancers, and I wholeheartedly agree that they are becoming more and more of a market force, and for me personally they are the sweet spot because I prefer to host. My post is in no way a knock on escorts. Its just a buyer beware tip.

You mentioned several times that you stick mostly to providers with gp-guia reviews and that is by far the "safest" strategy and the only strategy that I recommend to a visitor particularly first time visitors. My extreme vetting tips are really more for the experienced SP monger who is looking to push the envelope a little and yet still be tactically aware.

I personally seek out the less experienced newbies so I am particularly sensitive to identifying those which will be worth the risk. The newbies seldom have gp-guia TDs so that is why I am looking at other criteria, photos, verbiage, location, etc. Yes, the providers learn fast, but getting a flat in Moema or Jardins and setting up CC processing are non trivial challenges to a Brasileira which in my experience do not coincide with someone who purports to be new to the business. There is a disconnect there. Either they are being helped, IE more established friend, agency or they are not as inexperienced as they claim. Do you see what I am saying now? This applies only to providers without TDs, as TDs trump almost everything else.

Again, if you are contacting only Gp-guia established providers then this does not really apply to you, but one of my points was that as good as whatsapp is, its not fool proof. Its just texting, so the party on the other end may not be who you think. I have had several occasions where I initially thought I was texting the provider but it turned out to be a "reception / manager". I was able to feret it out but not everyone may be able to do so. Hence my tops.

How present "agencies" are is an interesting question. Certainly they are not present at all in the way they used to be in Rio with their own brands, websites and stables. Yes, those, up front agencies are gone. But there are "stealth" agencies in SP that do not want you to know they are agencies. They know that agencies have a bad rap so they go into stealth mode, they don't use land lines, they purchase different numbers for each provider, they have whatsapp "reception" pretend to be the provider. They do not admit to being agencies. This is the situation I am alerting folks to.

Cheers.

[Steve 9696]

Rovnak- thanks for the report. I was thinking of checking out Scandello again but might not after that report. Will see.

What kind of prices are you offering for overnight stays?Thanks Rovnak for TOFTT and reporting out. I would summarize by saying Scandallo is about the club not the girl. Girls as pretty or prettier can be found elsewhere at cheaper rates. But it is luxe king of the world type experience if you can comfortably afford it. It's that vibe / rush that is the draw.

[DoMat]

Casarao report.

Went last night and was really disappointed. I usually find a couple of gems but not many (3) I would even pay for sex. Seen better lineups at most clinicas.

Did get the number of this cute black chick with amazing body that did a pole dance there.

Was quoted 250 +40 room for half hour by a couple girls. Would probably go down but wasn't interested so didn't even try. 20 to get in.

[Member #4732]

Brooklin seems to get a fair bit of likes here for some reason I can't understand.

They have this weird policy now that to start a punch card you have to have joined gpguia before 2017. I mean wtf? They also want the first to to be 220 rs.

It's like they don't want any new regulars. The 220 normal price is higher then most comparable places. Girls the same as other places.

Receptionist are also not the freindliest either. Though one I saw today if she was a receptionist is easily the hottest around.

Also annoyed a couple of my stay overnighters are moving away or getting out of the business. New girls I like want more then I willing to pay.

I guess this is just a rant.I hate the Brooklin reception, and they have always been nazi like like their enforcement of forista verification. I have gotten into several arguments with them where they claimed I did not write TDs and they wanted to deny me the forista price, and I had to "prove" they were wrong. And they are terrible when it comes to managing the apresentaçao. Now they are getting stricter than before it seems, smh. This is in contrast to the other clinicas who are far more casual about the forista policy.

To your point about paying the full price for "the first" , this is not new and this is not unreasonable. All of the clinicas have a similar policy of discarding "forista" cards after a period of inactivity, usually 90 days. If you return after that interval, and they no longer have your card, you need to pay full price on first return visit to reestablish your status, post a TD and then 2-and visits you receive promo. It has always been like this since they started tearing up inactive cards. Some places, like Fefao's with friendlier reception will waive the policy and reinstate you at forista level if they remember you and they are in a good mood.

[DoMat]

Its a fair question and there are others who can answer better than I. When I visited Brazil years ago, I used to pull girls from Bomboa for all nighters but have not done that in a long time. I know some guys that don't post much that like to arrange all nighters, perhaps they can weigh in.


Living here, I have built in advantages and it would not be fair to expect visitors to follow my personal approach. I don't actually like all nights any more, or rather I should say, I don't pay for all nights any more. 2 hours is the sweet spot for me. Not too short, not too long. I see one semi-pro hairdresser about twice a month and she insists on staying over night, but I do not pay an overnight rate. In fact, I would not complain if she left after 2 hours to be honest, but she insists on staying. Occasionally, I will tell other guests, "you are welcome to stay the night but that is as friends, no extra $". Sometimes they do, most times they don't. Most prefer to sleep at home and I totally understand that.

That is my style. I understand a visitor has different priorities and all nighters can be special. I just don't have any pricing advice except to start low and see how they respond. I personally hate negotiating so if someone does not accept my first offer, I usually just move on to someone else.My thing for overnights is mostly that I like to fuck in the morning. There is no other practical way of doing that. Instead of having sex I am here typing this out which isn't a good substitute.

[Member #4732]

Thanks Rovnak for TOFTT and reporting out. I would summarize by saying Scandallo is about the club not the girl. Girls as pretty or prettier can be found elsewhere at cheaper rates. But it is luxe king of the world type experience if you can comfortably afford it. It's that vibe / rush that is the draw.Yes true.

I should clarify one thing. I wrote "There was definitely no significant difference in the "average" look between the "current" Scandalo girls and the current clinica and free lance girl. There were just "more' women and the were better dressed, and there is the club atmosphere." I was speaking about averages.

I should have added "and there are some elite stunningly beautiful women at the club, more beautiful than you will find at the clinicas, in general, but these top of the lines chicks are going to charge top $" . So if you are looking for a trophy fuck, strictly based on looks, and price is not an issue, then yes, the club provides that option.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks Rovnak for TOFTT and reporting out. I would summarize by saying Scandallo is about the club not the girl. Girls as pretty or prettier can be found elsewhere at cheaper rates. But it is luxe king of the world type experience if you can comfortably afford it. It's that vibe / rush that is the draw.I have to say I rather like the king of the world experiences now that I reflect on it. Russia is similar. You go to a super luxe strip club and ALL girls are on offer. Not just the strippers but also the waitresses, greeting hostess, bar maids — everyone. This has a great king of the world feel because you can literally take any girl in the place. This I think is also the appeal of the lineup they do at Clinicas or other venues. Just being at the buffet is part of the thrill!

[Member #4732]

I have to say I rather like the king of the world experiences now that I reflect on it. Russia is similar. You go to a super luxe strip club and ALL girls are on offer. Not just the strippers but also the waitresses, greeting hostess, bar maids everyone. This has a great king of the world feel because you can literally take any girl in the place. This I think is also the appeal of the lineup they do at Clinicas or other venues. Just being at the buffet is part of the thrill!My favorite Russia experience of that sort was when I got to bang a very hot probably 35-40 year old Uzbek mamasan from one of the better salons off of Fontanka. Unlike most of the administrators, this one was sweet and flirtatious, a bit heavier in the legs, like Uzbek women tend to be, but petite up top and a very sexy face. I used to go there quite often and she and I would flirt a bit and I would say "I wish you were working" and she would laugh. And finally after a bunch of this, I got her to agree to come see me, for a price naturally. I am telling you, it was one of the best fucks of my life. This woman fucked like she had not had sex in a year, on the bed, on the couch, on the chari, all the while screaming in Russian to wake the neighbors. It was truly remarkable. I still regret that I did not try to see her again after that. Then again, that was so crazy good it was probably best left as a one off experience.

[Nordico]

Brooklin seems to get a fair bit of likes here for some reason I can't understand.

They have this weird policy now that to start a punch card you have to have joined gpguia before 2017. I mean wtf? They also want the first to to be 220 rs.

It's like they don't want any new regulars.Actually they would like to get rid of the discounts and "punch cards", because with these customers they are not making a lot of money, but they can't. Last time they tried to limit the discounts, they got local mongers against them who threatened to boycott the place.

I don't know the exact amount of money they are paying the girls today and not all the girls are paid the same, but it's around BRL 100/ hour. The guys who post in the local forums pay BRL 140/ hour and every 5th session is free. Even if the customer pays this discounted price, the girl gets the same amount of money she gets from a full paying customer.

With this pricing and the reservation system the best girls are occupied almost all the time and it's almost impossible for a visiting gringo to session with the most popular ones. The full paying customers, local or gringo, should get some benefit when making a reservation, because that's where their money comes from, but of course it's not going to happen.

[HungryStud101]

I don't know the exact amount of money they are paying the girls today and not all the girls are paid the same, but it's around BRL 100/ hour. The guys who post in the local forums pay BRL 140/ hour and every 5th session is free. Even if the customer pays this discounted price, the girl gets the same amount of money she gets from a full paying customer.

.You have got to be kidding me! That is 30-40 USD for girls I would find in the USA for 300-400 USD and probably more! I say that but the women would not be as good in the USA. More like 40 somethings. I know I am paying 220 R / hour for 2-hand and 320 R / Hour 4-hand massage and I have never left that place complaining.

[WyattEarp]

Thanks Rovnak for TOFTT and reporting out. I would summarize by saying Scandallo is about the club not the girl. Girls as pretty or prettier can be found elsewhere at cheaper rates. But it is luxe king of the world type experience if you can comfortably afford it. It's that vibe / rush that is the draw.Steve9696, I know you found some winners at other, less expensive boates. I know this next question will generate the usual clinicas versus boates debate. So for us in SP for short visits with limited time, what's your current assessment of the clinica girls versus the boate girls. In the past, I've usually found the boate girls to be more to my liking.

[WyattEarp]

Its a fair question and there are others who can answer better than I. When I visited Brazil years ago, I used to pull girls from Bomboa for all nighters but have not done that in a long time. I know some guys that don't post much that like to arrange all nighters, perhaps they can weigh in.

Living here, I have built in advantages and it would not be fair to expect visitors to follow my personal approach. I don't actually like all nights any more, or rather I should say, I don't pay for all nights any more. 2 hours is the sweet spot for me. Not too short, not too long. I see one semi-pro hairdresser about twice a month and she insists on staying over night, but I do not pay an overnight rate. In fact, I would not complain if she left after 2 hours to be honest, but she insists on staying. Occasionally, I will tell other guests, "you are welcome to stay the night but that is as friends, no extra $". Sometimes they do, most times they don't. Most prefer to sleep at home and I totally understand that.I first came down as a Brazil monger during Rio's hey-day in the late 90's. It was very common for girls in Help, the outside cafes and even termas girls that gave you their number to stay over. In that period, many of the out of town programa girls were holing up with several roommates and had apartments that lacked air conditioning. If you were fun and kind, it was fairly easy to get a girl to come over for the night. I generally bought them drinks, invited them to breakfast, etc. Some times breakfast turned into a sightseeing trip or an afternoon on the beach. I even re-booked some girls the next night. Generally when I was drinking and partying late into the night, I would have one or two SOGs when we got home and then another SOG when we woke up.

This happened in Sao Paulo on occasion as well. Chemistry was a big factor. I never have paid for overnight. It was just what happened. Over the years, I noticed the Brazilian girls, while not exactly clock watchers would get up and leave after a couple hours. There was less and less of that carefree, let's just have fun attitude towards time and programs.

In the later days of Help, I do remember a stunning girl who was milling around the tables at the cafe outside Help while me and the boys were having a late dinner. She said in Portuguese she was from Petropolis and had to have a place to stay that night. I barely understood her, but I agreed very quickly. My boys were not so good with Porto. Lucky me. It was like a Brazilian angel was dropped into my lap. She might have been the hottest Brazilian girl I had ever been with. I couldn't resist fucking her all night, sleeping late with her and fucking her again in the morning. I don't think she told me, but I think she was working at Centaurus that day and the next day. Centaurus was still at the very top back then.

[HungryStud101]

I went to Scandalo with another board member last Thursday night....
. Probably a lot of the average chicks would go low, but they are average and no better looking than clinica girls. So if you go to Scandalo be prepared to pay the going rate, or just go to look like we did. Just manage expectations. There was definitely no significant difference in the "average" look between the "current" Scandalo girls and the current clinica and free lance girl. There were just "more' women and the were better dressed, and there is the club atmosphere.Excellent report and as we discussed before, this is just what I was afraid of. I have been having such luck at Brooklin I see no reason to pay 3 X the money or more and go to a place like this. Although, I love it when girls dress up and that is worth something. Maybe it was just a bad night or is this a trend?

Anyway, I have been in FKK sharks the past two days and although I love it here and I am having a ball I got to say that the girls are no hotter in Sharks than in the Clinicas. Also, the FKK girls tend to be a little more costly when you consider entrance and pricing structures and the Sharks girls are much more likely to upsell.

Live and learn. Thanks for the wise words Rovnak.

[DoMat]

Actually they would like to get rid of the discounts and "punch cards", because with these customers they are not making a lot of money, but they can't. Last time they tried to limit the discounts, they got local mongers against them who threatened to boycott the place.

I don't know the exact amount of money they are paying the girls today and not all the girls are paid the same, but it's around BRL 100/ hour. The guys who post in the local forums pay BRL 140/ hour and every 5th session is free. Even if the customer pays this discounted price, the girl gets the same amount of money she gets from a full paying customer.

With this pricing and the reservation system the best girls are occupied almost all the time and it's almost impossible for a visiting gringo to session with the most popular ones. The full paying customers, local or gringo, should get some benefit when making a reservation, because that's where their money comes from, but of course it's not going to happen.Understood. Thing is I get the discount every other house but at brooklin. Even got it at brooklin before they changed the rules.

Actually not true. I don't get the sweet discount at Tangara either but that isn't even advertised like Brooklyn does.

[Steve 9696]

Steve9696, I know you found some winners at other, less expensive boates. I know this next question will generate the usual clinicas versus boates debate. So for us in SP for short visits with limited time, what's your current assessment of the clinica girls versus the boate girls. In the past, I've usually found the boate girls to be more to my liking.I can't profess to be an expert on Clinica vs Boate as I only did one Clinica (Tangara). My experience was that my Clinica girl was more a standard suck and fuck (and only $30) vs a more girlfriend like experience with the particular Boate girls I chose. And when I say girlfriend experience I don't mean the standard definition of BBBJ and DFK. I mean it FEELS like you are both in it together. Not a customer.

If that appeals, I think the Boate format lends itself to this because of the Club social aspect. I realize in retrospect that I spent a full 2 hours (!) with Karina at Scandallo before even talking about a room. And I was the one that brought it up! We just had a blast flirting and dancing and kissing (light) and doing what you do in a club. So by the time you get to the room there can be serious chemistry already. I think this would be hard to achieve at a Clinica.

[Member #4732]

I can't stress enough how people should not become attached to the idea that some clinicas have better lineups, or "types" of girls, than others. The only thing that is stable about the clinicas is the infrastructure. The lineups are always in flux, GPS moving from one casa to another casa. Day to day, week to week. The casas do not choose a particular body type, skin color, hair color, safadeza. These are all myths. There is a thread on gp-guia that shows where all the ex-Brooklin girls are now working. Its a who's who of the other clinicas. Tangara has a pipeline of girls that visit from Curitiba, that is about the only "exception" I can think of in terms of differentiation. Otherwise, the local girls spend a few days, weeks, months at one place, then go to another.

[Starlord1]

I have to agree. You just can't beat these girls. You just cannot! You mix the races and multiply the average female sex drive times 100! The FKK feels too transactional (I like them too). I love Montreal but unless you attend the parties you are forced to take your pick from a few headless photos and with the exchange rate, pay 3 X the price of Brazil for 1 on 1 and much more than that for a 3-sum.

I have been to the upscale termas in Rio and Joinville and paid a heck of a lot more than the clinicas. The girls in Centaurus aren't as good looking. I want to go to the tourist boates but I can't get past the clinicas. My friend who is an executive for a multi-national recommends Scandallos but even he admits that you will pay 3 x more for women that are 10% better (I am paraphrasing but he said something like this. It is the old marketing rule and he is a marketer.) My best friend's boss who is another Scandellas fan recommended setting me up with one of his apartment girls. They were more than double to price. I said no thanks, I just got back from an apartment girl..OK guys. I've monger in Curacao, DR and Colombia, I'm going to Brazil on Feb -10th-24th. Will make a stop in Rio and SP. Can someone please please explain the scene out there. Please. This stuff is confusing.

What is a Clinica?

What is a terma?

Where to find a freelancer.

Where to stay so I don't die.

From those other mongering spots. I prefer to bring the women back to my place. I feel more comfortable. How do I go about this in the most efficient and effective way. Please help fellow savages. Its my birthday so I really looking to spend. Also this is for SP. I'm working on Rio.

[WyattEarp]

OK guys. I've monger in Curacao, DR and Colombia, I'm going to Brazil on Feb -10th-24th. Will make a stop in Rio and SP. Can someone please please explain the scene out there. Please. This stuff is confusing.

What is a Clinica?

What is a terma?

Where to find a freelancer.

Where to stay so I don't die.

From those other mongering spots. I prefer to bring the women back to my place. I feel more comfortable. How do I go about this in the most efficient and effective way. Please help fellow savages. Its my birthday so I really looking to spend. Also this is for SP. I'm working on Rio.Despite your really cool handle Starlord, you have to make a little effort. When the new President is elected in October, I will make him/her aware of your arrival.

[Starlord1]

Despite your really cool handle Starlord, you have to make a little effort. When the new President is elected in October, I will make him/her aware of your arrival.Haha. Thank you. I guess. But what did you mean about a little effort.

[Balboa]

Haha. Thank you. I guess. But what did you mean about a little effort.Like maybe read a few reports, LOL.

All your questions would be answered.

[DZone]

OK guys. I've monger in Curacao, DR and Colombia, I'm going to Brazil on Feb -10th-24th. Will make a stop in Rio and SP. Can someone please please explain the scene out there. Please. This stuff is confusing.

What is a Clinica?

What is a terma?

Where to find a freelancer.

Where to stay so I don't die.

From those other mongering spots. I prefer to bring the women back to my place. I feel more comfortable. How do I go about this in the most efficient and effective way. Please help fellow savages. Its my birthday so I really looking to spend. Also this is for SP. I'm working on Rio.Clinica. Massage house with FS. And no massage. Most only open during day. You get a lineup style and then choose a girl.

Termas. Sort of a club with working girls. Only in Rio. Never been myself, description probably somewhere here.

Freelancer. In Sao Paulo PM me.

Stay. In Sao Paulo. Moema, Itaim Bibi, Jardins are good areas. At least a couple of good Clinicas in Moema. Itaim has some night life with Vila Olimpia neighboring.

[Starlord1]

Clinica. Massage house with FS. And no massage. Most only open during day. You get a lineup style and then choose a girl.

Termas. Sort of a club with working girls. Only in Rio. Never been myself, description probably somewhere here.

Freelancer. In Sao Paulo PM me.

Stay. In Sao Paulo. Moema, Itaim Bibi, Jardins are good areas. At least a couple of good Clinicas in Moema. Itaim has some night life with Vila Olimpia neighboring.Thank you for that sir. I will be sending a PM.

[FunnyLoverBoy]

I will be traveling to So Paulo and want to know which taxi to take from airport to my hotel in barueri.

Any recommendations for taxi and what would be approx cost, because, I'll have luggage's and I don't speak portugus.

Help me guys.

[The Cane]

Haha. Thank you. I guess. But what did you mean about a little effort.Dude,

Are you for serious and real?

[Kcrl02]

I will be traveling to So Paulo and want to know which taxi to take from airport to my hotel in barueri.

Any recommendations for taxi and what would be approx cost, because, I'll have luggage's and I don't speak portugus.

Help me guys.You're looking at probably are $100. Save your money and take an Uber.

[WyattEarp]

Haha. Thank you. I guess. But what did you mean about a little effort.Steve9696 wrote a series of extensive Sao Paulo reports on his recent trip. I didn't re-read them, but they covered the SP scene with what I believe was almost every venue and channel for hooking-up with pros. HungryStud101 wrote some fresh reports on the SP clinica scene.

[Nordico]

I will be traveling to So Paulo and want to know which taxi to take from airport to my hotel in barueri.

Any recommendations for taxi and what would be approx cost, because, I'll have luggage's and I don't speak portugus.

Help me guys.A taxi from GRU airport to Jardins (28 km) is BRL 150, the distance from GRU to Barueri is 50 km, so the price could be some BRL 250. If you want to know exactly, send an e-mail to secretaria@guarucoop.com.br and ask them. Uber black is BRL 130-170.

[Eszpresszo]

In considering flight options for my first trip to Rio, I noticed that when I go on Skiplagged.com I come across some interesting flight routes that offer economy with an odd extended layover in SP. We were talking close to an entire day between flights and enough time to justify getting a room. My first thought is this would be a good opportunity to do a bit of mongering and enjoying what is purported to be the most beautiful women in Brazil, before catching a flight to GIG. Then again, maybe I am not giving SP due consideration. It does have the reputation as a business capital with little of touristic interest, but that reputation comes people who have never been to Brazil AFAIK. What are your opinions on SP for one's first visit to Brazil? I'm not a conventional tourist, obviously.

BTW, I'm actually a huge fan of Brazilian music, whether it be Bossa Nova or MPB. For all I know, SP is the live music capital of Brazil. I've picked up Portuguese better than Spanish (I'm studying both languages casually) I believe because of all the music I listen to sung in Brazilian Portuguese. I can barely handle listening to Spanish language music. Which usually doesn't have much to say. Its been said that Brazil hasn't produced much in the way of science and intellect, but they sure hit out of ballpark when it comes to song and dance.

Anyways, I am curious what some would think about visiting SP on the way in and out of the country as a layover, or does it deserve more time when weighed against the glamorous and fabled Rio. I understand that domestic flights are cheap, anyways. Your thoughts, please.

[FunnyLoverBoy]

A taxi from GRU airport to Jardins (28 km) is BRL 150, the distance from GRU to Barueri is 50 km, so the price could be some BRL 250. If you want to know exactly, send an e-mail to secretaria@guarucoop.com.br and ask them. Uber black is BRL 130-170.Is Uber safe to take a ride from airport as first time arrriving at Brazil.

I mean I bring in other Latam countries where they say Uber is also not safe.

Just for security.

[FunnyLoverBoy]

You're looking at probably are $100. Save your money and take an Uber.Is Uber safe to take a ride from airport as first time arrriving at Brazil.

I mean I bring in other Latam countries where they say Uber is also not safe.

Just for security.

[Member #4732]

In considering flight options for my first trip to Rio, I noticed that when I go on Skiplagged.com I come across some interesting flight routes that offer economy with an odd extended layover in SP. We were talking close to an entire day between flights and enough time to justify getting a room. My first thought is this would be a good opportunity to do a bit of mongering and enjoying what is purported to be the most beautiful women in Brazil, before catching a flight to GIG. Then again, maybe I am not giving SP due consideration. It does have the reputation as a business capital with little of touristic interest, but that reputation comes people who have never been to Brazil AFAIK. What are your opinions on SP for one's first visit to Brazil? I'm not a conventional tourist, obviously.

BTW, I'm actually a huge fan of Brazilian music, whether it be Bossa Nova or MPB. For all I know, SP is the live music capital of Brazil. I've picked up Portuguese better than Spanish (I'm studying both languages casually) I believe because of all the music I listen to sung in Brazilian Portuguese. I can barely handle listening to Spanish language music. Which usually doesn't have much to say. Its been said that Brazil hasn't produced much in the way of science and intellect, but they sure hit out of ballpark when it comes to song and dance.

Anyways, I am curious what some would think about visiting SP on the way in and out of the country as a layover, or does it deserve more time when weighed against the glamorous and fabled Rio. I understand that domestic flights are cheap, anyways. Your thoughts, please.My personal opinion is that it would not be productive to go out of your way to intentionally arrange a multi hour layover in SP if your destination is Rio. SP is huge, so you would either have to go to place near the airport which is not known as a mongering hotbed and little documented or travel into the city, visit one arbitrary locale and hustle back to the airport. Neither f those situations in any way shape or form represents "seeing SP".

My advice, since you asked for advice, go to Rio, explore Rio, take your time. Then schedule a trip to SP at a later date where you can also take your time. Both Rio and SP are great mongering destinations, but neither should be rushed if possible.

[Nordico]

Is Uber safe to take a ride from airport as first time arrriving at Brazil.

I mean I bring in other Latam countries where they say Uber is also not safe.

Just for security.Yes, Uber and Guarucoop (airport taxi) are both safe.

[DZone]

Thank you for that sir. I will be sending a PM.I guess I can't do PM because I am not a paid member. Just search for andarilhogp.

[Eszpresszo]

My advice, since you asked for advice, go to Rio, explore Rio, take your time. Then schedule a trip to SP at a later date where you can also take your time. Both Rio and SP are great mongering destinations, but neither should be rushed if possible.Thanks for your input. Now I have at least a week and leaning towards two weeks down in Brazil. Think I could see enough of Rio and get tired of it in less than two weeks (this requiring a side trip)?

BTW, you seem a cultured man, so I am curious what are the better cities for clubs with good live jazz and native Brazilian music? If I could spend an afternoon enjoying some fine bunda, followed by a satisfying meal and end the day in a club listening to Bossa Nova over a nice cocktail, I couldn't be happier if I was to suddenly fall over dead.

[HungryStud101]

Is Uber safe to take a ride from airport as first time arrriving at Brazil.

I mean I bring in other Latam countries where they say Uber is also not safe.

Just for security.I use Uber in Sampa a couple of times and I have had no problems. I remember my first time to Brazil and my company tried to scare the hell out of all of us so we wouldn't leave our rooms. Fuck it. I sneaked out and went to Centaurus and Balcony. I'm not going to live like this. I haven't had a problem with a cab or Uber. I have even used the bus to and from the airport. This is just my $. 02.

[HungryStud101]

My personal opinion is that it would not be productive to go out of your way to intentionally arrange a multi hour layover in SP if your destination is Rio. SP is huge, so you would either have to go to place near the airport which is not known as a mongering hotbed and little documented or travel into the city, visit one arbitrary locale and hustle back to the airport. Neither f those situations in any way shape or form represents "seeing SP".

My advice, since you asked for advice, go to Rio, explore Rio, take your time. Then schedule a trip to SP at a later date where you can also take your time. Both Rio and SP are great mongering destinations, but neither should be rushed if possible.This is probably true. If I were coming for the first time I would do Rio and maybe do a short stop in Sampa if I could get a local like AltoBomGusto to take me to a few casas. I like this so much that I would considre something like flying into Rio and staying X amount of days then taking a flight up to Sampa and staying 3 or 4 clinicas and maybe a boate and then leave for home from Sampa. I just think you need more help in Sampa because it is not geared for tourists like Rio is.

[Member #4732]

Thanks for your input. Now I have at least a week and leaning towards two weeks down in Brazil. Think I could see enough of Rio and get tired of it in less than two weeks (this requiring a side trip)?

BTW, you seem a cultured man, so I am curious what are the better cities for clubs with good live jazz and native Brazilian music? If I could spend an afternoon enjoying some fine bunda, followed by a satisfying meal and end the day in a club listening to Bossa Nova over a nice cocktail, I couldn't be happier if I was to suddenly fall over dead.I tried to send you a PM but your mailbox is full.

[Steve 9696]

So I took a mega chance and flew my Unicorn (remember Thifany my perfect ten from Fazendinha?) to London and it has been spectacular. We are both admittedly um pouco louco since we had previously only known each other for 5 hours total!

It was a mega hassle with flights (she's never been out of the country before) but wow what an intimate experience. Our mad chemistry made any awkwardness melt away and we are just having the time of our lives. It is such a joy to experience London through her eyes. She is like a giddy school girl and I love it.

I continue to believe Brasileiras are a Breed apart. Her zest for life is a thing to behold. I feel lucky to share it for a few days.

[GeneHickman]

So I took a mega chance and flew my Unicorn (remember Thifany my perfect ten from Fazendinha?) to London and it has been spectacular. We are both admittedly um pouco louco since we had previously only known each other for 5 hours total!

It was a mega hassle with flights (she's never been out of the country before) but wow what an intimate experience. Our mad chemistry made any awkwardness melt away and we are just having the time of our lives. It is such a joy to experience London through her eyes. She is like a giddy school girl and I love it.

I continue to believe Brasileiras are a Breed apart. Her zest for life is a thing to behold. I feel lucky to share it for a few days.Sounds like a scene out of the movie Pretty Woman. LOL.

[Steve 9696]

Sounds like a scene out of the movie Pretty Woman. LOL.Actually the good news is that living together for a few days helps me see the parts about her that I don't like so well. I love being with her but could never be in a serious relationship with her. This is actually very GOOD news. The slippery slope was a bit scary.

[FunnyLoverBoy]

I'm going to be stay in Barueri for 2 weeks.

Please someone hint me any mongering areas of some good girls to call my 5 star apartment.

Any clubs or place near by so that I can do some mongering.

I know Sapma is huge and without guidelines I would not be able to utilise my time

[HungryStud101]

So I took a mega chance and flew my Unicorn (remember Thifany my perfect ten from Fazendinha?) to London and it has been spectacular. We are both admittedly um pouco louco since we had previously only known each other for 5 hours total!

It was a mega hassle with flights (she's never been out of the country before) but wow what an intimate experience. Our mad chemistry made any awkwardness melt away and we are just having the time of our lives. It is such a joy to experience London through her eyes. She is like a giddy school girl and I love it.

I continue to believe Brasileiras are a Breed apart. Her zest for life is a thing to behold. I feel lucky to share it for a few days.I'm glad you had a great time. I admit this would be fun to do. I am not in a position to do this so I can only live vicariously through your stories about flying over their favorite girl. I love to trick myself that I am in love with these girls. It is a great escape. But aint going to happen.

I have a friend on this forum who seems to be up on all the anti-prostitution laws in the US and everywhere for that matter. He was warning Americans of doing this. Something about the complication of the girl crossing international boundaries to sell sex and you giving her the money to do so. I'm not sure. I know that many mongers end up marrying their GDPs so. I'm not sure. I would just like to hear how you spent your time with her. I'm sure she was thrilled to travel like this.

[Member #4732]

I'm going to be stay in Barueri for 2 weeks.

Please someone hint me any mongering areas of some good girls to call my 5 star apartment.

Any clubs or place near by so that I can do some mongering.

I know Sapma is huge and without guidelines I would not be able to utilise my timeBarueri is to the west, its actually a separate municipality. This is not an area covered by many in this forum so you cannot expect much help. You have 3 options.

1. Do your own research on local sites like gp-guia.net for keywords Barueri and Osasco.

2. Deal directly with escorts either in or out call, here is a link to a highly searchable escort site pre filtered for Bareri.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/barueri

Here is same group filtered to show the escorts that have receieved positive (and maybe negative) reviews on local review sites.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/barueri/tds-positivos

You can see there are a lot that are not reviewed. I wrote several posts recently about how I vet the unreviewed ads. Beware TGTBT ads.

3. Take uber into the city. Write down a list of the places that are discussed here, use google maps to establish the distances from your place and decide how much you are willing to travel.

[Mongerer88]

I'm glad you had a great time. I admit this would be fun to do. I am not in a position to do this so I can only live vicariously through your stories about flying over their favorite girl. I love to trick myself that I am in love with these girls. It is a great escape. But aint going to happen.

I have a friend on this forum who seems to be up on all the anti-prostitution laws in the US and everywhere for that matter. He was warning Americans of doing this. Something about the complication of the girl crossing international boundaries to sell sex and you giving her the money to do so. I'm not sure. I know that many mongers end up marrying their GDPs so. I'm not sure. I would just like to hear how you spent your time with her. I'm sure she was thrilled to travel like this.There might be some theoretical legal violation for a US guy to arrange for a foreign lady to fly to a non-US country for travel / sex that he pays for, if the funds arise from the US, but no practical problem there as long as she is 18 or over. The laws against prostitution do not travel with a US guy unless she is under 18.

The difficulty I was talking about was the tendency of US Immigration / Border Patrol to heavily question ladies arriving into the US alone. We have learned a lot from the stories of Montreal escorts touring the US, of which there are fewer every year due to many of them being banned. There is actually a prohibition in US laws for women entering the US who have worked in the sex industry (even legally) during a period of time preceding that entry. US Immigration / Border Patrol actually has databases of Canadian escorts who advertise in Canada and spends a significant length of time and effort matching those ads / photos to Canadian escorts who advertise a US tour. They often pull them aside for questioning, look for condoms / sex toys on the way in, and for money on the way back in bag searches. When confronted with agents who show them ads, websites, evidence, etc. , most agree to a temporary ban from entering the US.

It is pretty fucking unbelievable that US Immigration / Border Patrol spends its time this way. It is not political as it has spanned several Presidents. Obviously it picked up in scope after 9/11 and the increased funding for the agency.

The entry point is the practical issue. When someone enters Europe for vacation, they say Welcome, even if the traveler is alone. Quite a bit different when entering the US, where single travelers, particularly women, are often targeted for further screening.

I have simply told guys I question the wisdom of putting there future in the hands of a scared young lady being grilled in a room by experienced TSA interrogators. If she is promised no legal problems for just signing a form stating that Mr. Smith, who is all over her email and text history, purchased her plane ticket and promised to pay (maybe with a deposit) $XXX for a week of sex. Mr. Smith could get charged with some federal felonies.

Compare this to the almost 0 percent chance of him ever getting charged with a minor state misdemeanor for booking a US escort who screens her customers, and I have just always told guys I think it is unwise to fly Canadian (or other foreign escorts) into the US. Just my opinion, and bad things don't always happen, but it is a reasonable thought pattern. I think US guys should either go to the foreign country themselves or book a local US escort who is safe from law enforcement scrutiny charges a lot and screens. A lot of US johns are really lousy at evaluating probabilities, and often choose a method, such as an inexpensive local lady who does no screening, that greatly increases their risk. The screening protects them, even if they give up personal information. And flying a foreign girl in is really risky unless she is very savvy with her story if questioned.

But meeting the foreign lady in a neutral country wouldn't generate the same level of risks for the US guy.

[Member #4732]

FYI, there were recent discussions about where to stay in SP. Moema, vs Jardins vs Centro etc. One of the issues cited was access to the metro subway system which is a valuable alternative taxi / uber particularly during rush hour when traffic comes to a standstill.

After years of delay, the final stations of Linha 5 Lilas are set to open any day now. These final stations Santa Cruz and Chacara Klabin will complete the integration of Linha Lilas into the larger system thereby making transport to and from Moema via metro easy and complete. I have ridden the new trains from Moema to Brooklin and they are very nice, one of the positive aspects of years of delay is that you get the most modern line.

[HarvestBoi]

M88,

Well reasoned and well written. Nobody can be entirely certain about just what CPB is looking for but much of what you say is likely true. My home market used to have hot girls from MTL that would come through regularly. It stopped some years ago, during Obama in fact. Depressing.

With FOSTA, and the demise of local review boards and verifications services, my local market has become unworkable. I could spend a lot of time chasing low quality providers. And by time I don't mean online but actually driving to meet them for a likely disappointing session. So I'm forced to fly hours away, which has its benefits but I miss a hot reliable local option. I had 3 but they've aged out and to replace them is just too much work.

Good advice too about doing a fling abroad rather than at home to lower risk.


There might be some theoretical legal violation for a US guy to arrange for a foreign lady to fly to a non-US country for travel / sex that he pays for, if the funds arise from the US, but no practical problem there as long as she is 18 or over. The laws against prostitution do not travel with a US guy unless she is under 18.

The difficulty I was talking about was the tendency of US Immigration / Border Patrol to heavily question ladies arriving into the US alone. We have learned a lot from the stories of Montreal escorts touring the US, of which there are fewer every year due to many of them being banned. There is actually a prohibition in US laws for women entering the US who have worked in the sex industry (even legally) during a period of time preceding that entry. US Immigration / Border Patrol actually has databases of Canadian escorts who advertise in Canada and spends a significant length of time and effort matching those ads / photos to Canadian escorts who advertise a US tour. They often pull them aside for questioning, look for condoms / sex toys on the way in, and for money on the way back in bag searches. When confronted with agents who show them ads, websites, evidence, etc. , most agree to a temporary ban from entering the US.

It is pretty fucking unbelievable that US Immigration / Border Patrol spends its time this way. It is not political as it has spanned several Presidents. Obviously it picked up in scope after 9/11 and the increased funding for the agency.

The entry point is the practical issue. When someone enters Europe for vacation, they say Welcome, even if the traveler is alone. Quite a bit different when entering the US, where single travelers, particularly women, are often targeted for further screening.

I have simply told guys I question the wisdom of putting there future in the hands of a scared young lady being grilled in a room by experienced TSA interrogators. If she is promised no legal problems for just signing a form stating that Mr. Smith, who is all over her email and text history, purchased her plane ticket and promised to pay (maybe with a deposit) $XXX for a week of sex. Mr. Smith could get charged with some federal felonies.

Compare this to the almost 0 percent chance of him ever getting charged with a minor state misdemeanor for booking a US escort who screens her customers, and I have just always told guys I think it is unwise to fly Canadian (or other foreign escorts) into the US. Just my opinion, and bad things don't always happen, but it is a reasonable thought pattern. I think US guys should either go to the foreign country themselves or book a local US escort who is safe from law enforcement scrutiny charges a lot and screens. A lot of US johns are really lousy at evaluating probabilities, and often choose a method, such as an inexpensive local lady who does no screening, that greatly increases their risk. The screening protects them, even if they give up personal information. And flying a foreign girl in is really risky unless she is very savvy with her story if questioned.

But meeting the foreign lady in a neutral country wouldn't generate the same level of risks for the US guy.

[Member #4643]

I have taken several girls whom I met in boates or who were freelancing GDPs to Europe, the UK and one to the USA twice (that requires more planning).

It is not prostitution when you do a BF / GF thing, even though I give them money. Everyone knows the line, "I pay them to go home after we have sex". That more or less defines a prostitute. When you take a GDP to Europe or the USA, you no longer have the luxury that they automatically dissapear. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

In any case, INS is not going to prosecute anyone for trafficking for this offense.


M88,

Well reasoned and well written. Nobody can be entirely certain about just what CPB is looking for but much of what you say is likely true. My home market used to have hot girls from MTL that would come through regularly. It stopped some years ago, during Obama in fact. Depressing.

With FOSTA, and the demise of local review boards and verifications services, my local market has become unworkable. I could spend a lot of time chasing low quality providers. And by time I don't mean online but actually driving to meet them for a likely disappointing session. So I'm forced to fly hours away, which has its benefits but I miss a hot reliable local option. I had 3 but they've aged out and to replace them is just too much work.

Good advice too about doing a fling abroad rather than at home to lower risk.

[Mongerer88]

I have taken several girls whom I met in boates or who were freelancing GDPs to Europe, the UK and one to the USA twice (that requires more planning).

It is not prostitution when you do a BF / GF thing, even though I give them money. Everyone knows the line, "I pay them to go home after we have sex". That more or less defines a prostitute. When you take a GDP to Europe or the USA, you no longer have the luxury that they automatically dissapear. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

In any case, INS is not going to prosecute anyone for trafficking for this offense.With facts like you wrote, what I posted would be nonsense.

I was not talking about accompanying a lady. I was talking about a guy arranging for a lady he barely knows to fly in to see him in the US. Pretty awkward situation if she gets chosen for additional screening and takes out a crumpled yellow piece of paper, or has to access her email, to remember what your name is.

Some ladies are savvy, some aren't.

What you described is a lot different than what I described.

Many of us were very surprised to find out from the Montreal local board that US Immigration maintains a database of Canadian escort ads. This information comes from the providers themselves and their experiences.

[Big Boss Man]

FYI, there were recent discussions about where to stay in SP. Moema, vs Jardins vs Centro etc. One of the issues cited was access to the metro subway system which is a valuable alternative taxi / uber particularly during rush hour when traffic comes to a standstill.

After years of delay, the final stations of Linha 5 Lilas are set to open any day now. These final stations Santa Cruz and Chacara Klabin will complete the integration of Linha Lilas into the larger system thereby making transport to and from Moema via metro easy and complete. I have ridden the new trains from Moema to Brooklin and they are very nice, one of the positive aspects of years of delay is that you get the most modern line.This is great news. One thing I have done in the past is to spend half the time in Jardins and the other half in Moema. I enjoy the clinicas in Moema which are better than the clinicas reachable from Paulista in my opinion but often, while in Moema, I found myself eating at the food court in the mall. Those were the days when I was younger and two pops on the same day for multiple days was no problem. But also in those days Kilt and Bomboa were two of my favorite clubs which are closer to Jardins. In Moema, Bahamas was within walking distance from the shopping center. There was another nightclub called Akaza in Moema that was decent. Now in Moema, I can't recommend Zeus Bar or Bahamas based past experiences and Akaza is closed.

[Member #4732]

but often, while in Moema, I found myself eating at the food court in the mall. .Just curious what are you suggesting with this line? There are plenty of restaurants in Moema that are not in the mall. Maybe this was before Tripadvisor? Moema is full of restaurants, they are just pretty evenly distributed geographically rather than concentrated in one area.

[HungryStud101]

Many of us were very surprised to find out from the Montreal local board that US Immigration maintains a database of Canadian escort ads. This information comes from the providers themselves and their experiences.This is so true. And what is the charge? Apparently there is some type of Anti-morality clause and escorts are not allowed to travel to the United States within 10 years of being an escort. It sounds silly but many escorts from Montreal have been banned. This was a surprise learning for me.

[Member #4732]

Just curious what are you suggesting with this line? There are plenty of restaurants in Moema that are not in the mall. Maybe this was before Tripadvisor? Moema is full of restaurants, they are just pretty evenly distributed geographically rather than concentrated in one area.Haha, sorry, just read this and it reads very snippy. I did not mean it to come across that way.

I was just wondering if you meant that you were in the mall because there were no other good options or you were just in the mall to kill time between your sessions?

[WyattEarp]

Haha, sorry, just read this and it reads very snippy. I did not mean it to come across that way.Ah-ha, I think Rovnak and Traveller44 are the same person. ;)

[Steve 9696]

I'm glad you had a great time. I admit this would be fun to do. I am not in a position to do this so I can only live vicariously through your stories about flying over their favorite girl. I love to trick myself that I am in love with these girls. It is a great escape. But aint going to happen.

I have a friend on this forum who seems to be up on all the anti-prostitution laws in the US and everywhere for that matter. He was warning Americans of doing this. Something about the complication of the girl crossing international boundaries to sell sex and you giving her the money to do so. I'm not sure. I know that many mongers end up marrying their GDPs so. I'm not sure. I would just like to hear how you spent your time with her. I'm sure she was thrilled to travel like this.Ok. The amazing Thifany visit is in the books and it was a blast. I confess however it was seriously stressful at points. Particularly at arrival but also trying to work around work.

It did not start well when I received a call from her balling her eyes out because she missed her flight. She was truly upset. I had my scam alert radar up but was overruled by both compassion for her and my desire to really do this thing I planned. So I made the split second decision to book her another flight. The other big complication was neither of us had data plans for UK. So our Whatapp communication goes completely dark when either one lacks WiFi. This happened at final arrival where I waited for 45 minutes desperately trying to get WiFi and was literally leaving when she found me! Ok so that is the fair warning that this was a pain in the ass, but totally worth it in the end.

We hit it off again right away in the Taxi — cuddling and light kissing and soon full on DFK. This girl had no western inhibitions. And really she was like a schoolgirl seeing London. (She is 24) Just giddy with excitement.

I won't go into all the details as it would be too long. The highlight really is going clubbing with her. We went to dance clubs 4 nights. The Zoo was our favorite. They recognized us on Wed from our Tues night visit and waved us straight through the VIP rope. On Thursday they waved us through and comped our entry. 😀 When I tell you this girl owns the club I am not lying. I've never seen anything like it. Dances like a beast and gets everyone going. We were dancing pulling in others; she even had me comfortable dancing with guys — girl girl guy gay girl guy altogether it was just one crazy party of people and she was the spotlight girl.

Sunday I have to admit I was jealous when she'the bring a guy into our one on one, but then she'the do some girl on girl or a group. It is just HER as a being. You embrace it or you walk away. I embraced it. I distinctly remember thinking around 2 AM one night at Zoo "this is the most fun I have ever had in my life" and I have to admit I love having everyone want my girl and I know she is going home with me. Oh and on slow songs we'the just move our hips and DFK — no doubt whose girl she was!

In the bedroom she gives some of the best head this planet has ever seen with sensuous ball sucking and great eye contact. Her lips are the prettiest I've ever seen, so watching is a thing of wonder. Her cowgirl is top notch and she has a banging body which is great to watch grinding.

We had a couple little rough spots but we moved past them. It was just BF / GF all the way. A great week.

Thanks for your thoughts on US. I need to think about this as she wants to do it again and so do I.

[Steve 9696]

I'm glad you had a great time. I admit this would be fun to do. I am not in a position to do this so I can only live vicariously through your stories about flying over their favorite girl. I love to trick myself that I am in love with these girls. It is a great escape. But aint going to happen.

I have a friend on this forum who seems to be up on all the anti-prostitution laws in the US and everywhere for that matter. He was warning Americans of doing this. Something about the complication of the girl crossing international boundaries to sell sex and you giving her the money to do so. I'm not sure. I know that many mongers end up marrying their GDPs so. I'm not sure. I would just like to hear how you spent your time with her. I'm sure she was thrilled to travel like this.Ok. The amazing Thifany visit is in the books and it was a blast. I confess however it was seriously stressful at points. Particularly at arrival but also trying to work around work.

It did not start well when I received a call from her balling her eyes out because she missed her flight. She was truly upset. I had my scam alert radar up but was overruled by both compassion for her and my desire to really do this thing I planned. So I made the split second decision to book her another flight. The other big complication was neither of us had data plans for UK. So our Whatapp communication goes completely dark when either one lacks WiFi. This happened at final arrival where I waited for 45 minutes desperately trying to get WiFi and was literally leaving when she found me! Ok so that is the fair warning that this was a pain in the ass, but totally worth it in the end.

We hit it off again right away in the Taxi — cuddling and light kissing and soon full on DFK. This girl had no western inhibitions. And really she was like a schoolgirl seeing London. (She is 24) Just giddy with excitement.

I won't go into all the details as it would be too long. The highlight really is going clubbing with her. We went to dance clubs 4 nights. The Zoo was our favorite. They recognized us on Wed from our Tues night visit and waved us straight through the VIP rope. On Thursday they waved us through and comped our entry. 😀 When I tell you this girl owns the club I am not lying. I've never seen anything like it. Dances like a beast and gets everyone going. We were dancing pulling in others; she even had me comfortable dancing with guys — girl girl guy gay girl guy altogether it was just one crazy party of people and she was the spotlight girl.

Sunday I have to admit I was jealous when she'the bring a guy into our one on one, but then she'the do some girl on girl or a group. It is just HER as a being. You embrace it or you walk away. I embraced it. I distinctly remember thinking around 2 AM one night at Zoo "this is the most fun I have ever had in my life" and I have to admit I love having everyone want my girl and I know she is going home with me. Oh and on slow songs we'the just move our hips and DFK — no doubt whose girl she was!

In the bedroom she gives some of the best head this planet has ever seen with sensuous ball sucking and great eye contact. Her lips are the prettiest I've ever seen, so watching is a thing of wonder. Her cowgirl is top notch and she has a banging body which is great to watch grinding.

We had a couple little rough spots but we moved past them. It was just BF / GF all the way. A great week.

Thanks for your thoughts on US. I need to think about this as she wants to do it again and so do I.

[Big Boss Man]

Just curious what are you suggesting with this line? There are plenty of restaurants in Moema that are not in the mall. Maybe this was before Tripadvisor? Moema is full of restaurants, they are just pretty evenly distributed geographically rather than concentrated in one area.It seems like now you could make a day trip to Moema from Paulista to visit a clinica. The reason I would not recommend staying in Moema is the lack of good nightclubs. Bahamas was dead last time I went. Zeus Bar was okay. Akaza was closed. My information is old. I have not been there in 4 years.

[WyattEarp]

It seems like now you could make a day trip to Moema from Paulista to visit a clinica. The reason I would not recommend staying in Moema is the lack of good nightclubs. Bahamas was dead last time I went. Zeus Bar was okay. Akaza was closed. My information is old. I have not been there in 4 years.My impression of Moema was that at night where you wanted to go in Moema -restaurants, bars- were spread out. There are far less hotels than Jardins, but with AirBnB that's a minor issue.

[The Cane]

It seems like now you could make a day trip to Moema from Paulista to visit a clinica. The reason I would not recommend staying in Moema is the lack of good nightclubs.A "day trip" LOL! You make it sound like it would be several hours away. I do agree that Moema is essentially for daytime action though when it comes to mongering. All the good nightclubs are somewhere else in the city. Except for the restaurants, I found Moema to be pretty dead and boring at night. One girl I was talking to at Scandallo did tell me that there were some good swing clubs in Moema though. She asked me if I wanted to go to one as her partner LOL!

[Eszpresszo]

One girl I was talking to at Scandallo did tell me that there were some good swing clubs in Moema though. She asked me if I wanted to go to one as her partner LOL!So why didn't you go? That sounds like too good of an opportunity to pass over.

[Member #4732]

A "day trip" LOL! You make it sound like it would be several hours away. I do agree that Moema is essentially for daytime action though when it comes to mongering. All the good nightclubs are somewhere else in the city. Except for the restaurants, I found Moema to be pretty dead and boring at night. One girl I was talking to at Scandallo did tell me that there were some good swing clubs in Moema though. She asked me if I wanted to go to one as her partner LOL!Before I describe Moema at night I want to say I am not lobbying that folks stay there. The beauty of the metro opening is that it is now possible to stay in Other parts of the city and visit Moema via metro during rush hour or vice versa. It just opens up a lot of convenience in either direction.

Moema at night depends on the type of nighttime action you are looking for. Its definitely not as dense as Itaim Bib / vila Olympia when it comes to swanky bars or baladas. It does however have several blues and rock type clubs not far from Chanes 57. And it has the largest concentration of swing clubs perhaps in the world. But in general I agree that it can be boring at night for s visitor. But that was why I had said that if you stay there you can uber at night to otherplaces and at night you don't have traffic issues. So the recommendation was never predicated on the nightlife. When I first arrive in Moema Bahamas was the top club in the city and American Bar, now Zeus was roaring too, and the old Cafe Photo was very close and a lot of fun. Now both are pretty dead unfortunately and Photo relocated to its presentlocation. Chanes 57 is open late and its more like a men's club with garotas.

Cheers.

[The Cane]

So why didn't you go? That sounds like too good of an opportunity to pass over.She wasn't my type optics wise. Not totally unattractive, but maybe not even a solid 7 max on my scale. Plus with swinging, if you're going to have a partner you really need to know each other well in order for it all to work out right. I was just passing through for a few weeks. So decided I just wanted to commit my time and money to the confirmed 8's and up I was seeing in places like Scandallo, Bomboa, and Cafe Photo (to a lesser degree), and fucking 7's in the daytime at the clinicas.

[Nordico]

So why didn't you go? That sounds like too good of an opportunity to pass over.If you are interested going to a swing club, just ask a clinica girl. Many girls have asked me if I want to go. I never went, but they would have charged me something very reasonable.

[FunnyLoverBoy]

Hey guys, please let me know if the girls shown here in this pages are real or not?

Any experience if anyone has?

https://www.acompanhantesuniversitaria.com/

[Member #4732]

Hey guys, please let me know if the girls shown here in this pages are real or not?

Any experience if anyone has?

https://www.acompanhantesuniversitaria.com/.I did a google image search on one of the photos of "Raphaela Suzuki" and hit a greek instagram match.

Did you read my posts about SP escort sites? They are within the last 10 pages. Those posts should allow you to do your own evaluations better.

[WyattEarp]

I did a google image search on one of the photos of "Raphaela Suzuki" and hit a greek instagram match.

Did you read my posts about SP escort sites? They are within the last 10 pages. Those posts should allow you to do your own evaluations better.Listen to Rovnak! Escort websites are not WYSIWYG just like they are not almost everywhere in the world. Don't get a hard-on from the photos. I suggest trying to learn how to read gpguia the local reviews or translate what you don't understand. It take a few minutes to figure out how to find the highly-rated escorts. Find the highly-rated girls then move to the on-line photos. Twitter photos are less photoshopped.

I remember having this discussion with some guy last year who was on the ground who claimed he was just randomly selecting girls from photoacompanhantes. He couldn't be bothered with reviews. Point and click! I think he had Amazon Prime or somethin'. It started off great, then it progressively got worse and then he stopped posting about his experience.

[ManchesterCat]

Looking at organizing my first trip to Brazil shortly and at this stage planning for most of my time to be in SP. I've read a number of posts and the reports of distinction, but hoped I could get some direct answers to the below if possible:

1. After reading some descriptions and checking out some photos posted I'm just conscious the most common 'type' in Brazil tend to be your curvy types, where my preference tend to be towards petite / athletic builds. I get that in a city as large as SP, of course there will be some girls which fit my 'type', but will this severely limit my options?

2. As a complete non-Portuguese speaker how big of an impediment will this be? Are there some options completely off the table because of language barriers?

3. I've read about a lot of members, finding girls details and then contacting them via whatsapp before they get there. Where are you finding these girls to start with? Tinder? Agency sites?

Appreciate any advice any of you might have to give, and hopefully might meet some of you in person when I'm down there.

Thanks!

[Steve 9696]

Looking at organizing my first trip to Brazil shortly and at this stage planning for most of my time to be in SP. I've read a number of posts and the reports of distinction, but hoped I could get some direct answers to the below if possible:

1. After reading some descriptions and checking out some photos posted I'm just conscious the most common 'type' in Brazil tend to be your curvy types, where my preference tend to be towards petite / athletic builds. I get that in a city as large as SP, of course there will be some girls which fit my 'type', but will this severely limit my options?

2. As a complete non-Portuguese speaker how big of an impediment will this be? Are there some options completely off the table because of language barriers?

3. I've read about a lot of members, finding girls details and then contacting them via whatsapp before they get there. Where are you finding these girls to start with? Tinder? Agency sites?

Appreciate any advice any of you might have to give, and hopefully might meet some of you in person when I'm down there.

Thanks!You won't have any problems finding your type. Go to Scandalo or Casaero or any of the big Boates in SP really and you will find all types. Almost all my girls from the ten girls in seven days tour, fit your description. Karina, Carolina, Mary, Thifany, Duda — all petite (Thifany is tall but petite / athletic body type).

You will be OK with English but it is a real shame if you don't put in the effort. You can improve your experience by 3 x by investing $98 and 10 hours in Pimsleur Brazilian Portuguese. The girls absolutely love it.

I really recommend the Boates because you get an in person feel for the girl. If you want to plan ahead, then go to Photoaccompanhantes and search. Don't pick a girl with less than 10 reviews. And login to gpguia and use google translate to read them. Or save yourself the trouble and book Mary Ninfeta right now. . But really the Boates are a better bet than trying to find the right independent. Too much margin for error.

[Member #4732]

If you want to plan ahead, then go to Photoaccompanhantes and search. Don't pick a girl with less than 10 reviews. And login to gpguia and use google translate to read them. .... But really the Boates are a better bet than trying to find the right independent. Too much margin for error.Agree with your last sentence, But for those who dip into the Photoaccompanhantes pool, I don't think one needs to consider only those with 10 reviews. 1 well written review by a.

"forista" with a good track record, I. E a forista who has written a substantial number of TDs is worth more than a bunch of TDs by foristas who guys with no track record. Some providers try to game the system by creating fake gpguia accounts and self reviewing. These are pretty obvious because these accounts only write few TDs. Do the "TD count" of the reviewer is in some ways more important than the TD count of the provider. I. E quality over quantity.

[WyattEarp]

1 well written review by a "forista" with a good track record, I. E a forista who has written a substantial number of TDs is worth more than a bunch of TDs by foristas who guys with no track record. Some providers try to game the system by creating fake gpguia accounts and self reviewing. These are pretty obvious because these accounts only write few TDs. Do the "TD count" of the reviewer is in some ways more important than the TD count of the provider. I. E quality over quantity.Yes, that's true. If there is a prolific reviewer or two, that says a lot. If you can find a superstar with many prolific reviewers weighing in, you can avoid YMMV girls. I'm sure older guys want an escort who has had some experience with different demographics.

P.S.- Tripadvisor drives me crazy with the amount of reviewers with only one review. Very bad quality control.

[HarvestBoi]

I'm prepping for my Sampa trip in a few weeks and scoping out the Gpguia reviews for the girls I'm finding on twitter. In trying to register for a username on the site, they require a phone number. Not sure it's prudent or useful to give my personal cell phone and I won't have a Brazilian phone until I'm in country. Wonder if any have any advice. I can see the escort reviews without a profile but can't see the boites TDs or do a search.

[WyattEarp]

I'm prepping for my Sampa trip in a few weeks and scoping out the Gpguia reviews for the girls I'm finding on twitter. In trying to register for a username on the site, they require a phone number. Not sure it's prudent or useful to give my personal cell phone and I won't have a Brazilian phone until I'm in country. Wonder if any have any advice. I can see the escort reviews without a profile but can't see the boites TDs or do a search.Try using an active phone number you find on the internet. Perhaps a hotel. You don't even need to be staying there. Back in the day when they required a Brazilian social security type number, I just hijacked one I found on the internet.

[GoneFishin]

I registered without giving a tele # a few weeks ago. There might be a question at the bottom to answer to protect from bots. Mine had the answer of "plane" but need to place the portuguese word (of course) avião. Your question might be different.

GF.

[WyattEarp]

......After reading some descriptions and checking out some photos posted I'm just conscious the most common 'type' in Brazil tend to be your curvy types, where my preference tend to be towards petite / athletic builds. I get that in a city as large as SP, of course there will be some girls which fit my 'type', but will this severely limit my options?Okay, petite / athletic build is a bit perplexing. I'm thinking you like petite girls who workout and are toned. Mayara Alencar came to mind. She retired after college, but now she is back on a limited basis. She's pretty, natural and a bit of a gym rat. She has the perfect, bubble ass for my tastes and it isn't one of those padded asses from the factory. She's very affectionate and attentive with stellar reviews. She does not do anal or CIM. Too bad, that ass begs to be tapped.

Mayara has extensive photos on Twitter and the internet. If you go back further, she occasionally reveals more of her face. There is a photo somewhere with her in workout stretch pants. If that is what you mean by athletic, you will be happy.

If you contact her, be patient and flexible. She has many regulars. Whatsapp her using a Portuguese translation. It appears now she only does outcall to places with a front desk / reception. Read her wordpress website before asking questions. Generally, the popular escorts want to know what times you are available and where. Guys, who ask a bunch of questions don't get answers because they are most likely answered on her website. She also only answers if there is a photo connected to your Whatsapp. Her new rules, not mine.

https://twitter.com/MayarahAlencar

https://acompanhantedeluxosuicidegirl.wordpress.com/home/

[Papi12]

My first business trip to Sao Paulo.

I have always had a thing for small bubble butts with that thigh gap. Medium breasts are great as well. Thiffany sounds delightful. Are there any pictures of these ladies?

I have WhatsApp and Google Translate. Where would I find these ladies? I will be in a hotel Near the US consulate I think Brooklin?

Thank Guys for the help.

OK so I posted the bottom four already -- none of which was poor. They all crossed the good bar, with Thifany and friend crossing well into very good territory. The remaining six vary from excellent to life changing.

Carol. Boate Ilha. R550 plus R600 drinks and bar fine (yeah I know!

Club: Boate Ilha -- As mentioned before, crowded. On a Thursday. They gouge you on drinks and credit card fees.

Sex Highlight: Fingering her sopping wet pussy while getting blown.

Non-sex Highlight: Her best-I've-ever-seen-by-far table dance. Blasting through town in her car with AC / DC full blast.

Mary Ninfeta. R180 all in. BJ and DFK only. I am only ranking her here because I prefer a club experience and we were limited to BJ due to her being on the rag. I am sure she'd break the top 3 with a full experience.

Club: N/ A - photoacompanhantes.com.

Sex Highlight: Swallows it all and smiles at you like its the best thing she's had in weeks!

Non-sex Highlight: Seeing her in person. She lights up the room.

Karina. Scandallo. R700 + R510 drinks. Karina gets 4th partly due to venue and partly her 1000 watt smile. Mary and Carol were both better purely in the sack.

Club: As luxe as it gets. Truly nice. I spent most of my time in the club area, but it has several other nice areas. Lots of hot ladies.

Sex Highlight: BBBJ right up to finish, she directs the final shots on her tits and the makes a nice glaze with her hands.

Non-sex Highlight: The bar encounter. Smiling, light touching, learning Portuguese and dancing. Makes me smile to remember.

Eduarda. Bar Moustache. R400 + R220 drinks and bar fine. She takes third not only for a 9. 5 face but a wildcat in bed.

Club: Small place. Nine girls all to myself on a Monday. Guessing Thurs is crowded.

Sex Highlight: Blasting a load in cowgirl watching her beautiful semi-backplate tat and amazing bunda pumping me dry.

Non-sex Highlight: Her face when she came over and sat down. I could literally look at it all day.

Carolina. Casarao. R400 + R150 drinks (first time).

Club: Absolutely packed at 4 AM (Sunday Am. Sat night). Party vibe. High energy.

Sex Highlight: MMPP (mish for you Americans) gazing into her eyes as we took a long time to get there -- and a earthshattering finish.

Non-sex Highlight: Just hanging out together and kissing. Felt truly BFGF. Me completely believing she wanted round two and genuinely sad when we kissed goodnight.

Thifany the Unicorn. Fazendinha. R500 + R500 drinks and club.

Club: As previously described.

Sex Highlight: Kissing? OMG I mean it. Slides her feet up and down the backs of my thighs when in mish. Unsolicited Rim job. Not even my favorite thing, but just that she would do that for me.

Non-sex Highlight: Her smile. 3 Mary, 2 Karina, and 1 Thifany in that order. Her energy. Like she was truly in love with me from start to finish. And OMG the pics she sent. True model quality. Best ever.

OK. That is the full recap. I would like to thank the fine ladies and gentlemen of Brasil for producing the finest offspring on the planet. Please go fuck some more and make some more!

P.S- I will post a final set of tips and lessons learned tonight and then, unfortunately I will be out of things to say! Until I hopefully return some day. In the meantime if you need any help on Tokyo, Thailand, London, Moscow, Spain, Shanghai, or Germany (or God forbid, the USA) just drop me a line!

[Member #4732]

My first business trip to Sao Paulo.

I have always had a thing for small bubble butts with that thigh gap. Medium breasts are great as well. Thiffany sounds delightful. Are there any pictures of these ladies?

I have WhatsApp and Google Translate. Where would I find these ladies? I will be in a hotel Near the US consulate I think Brooklin?

Thank Guys for the help.Papi,

With all due respect, your type of request comes up all the time and it is fundamentally the wrong way to approach a visit to Brasil in my opinion. Guys come on this board asking for particular types of girls all the time. One guy was "crazy for big naturals", wanted to know where he could find "big naturals". Others want "the girl next store", others want "looks like actress X" etc. I understand the motivation, I too go to places hoping to find my "ideal" but the problem is your ideal and my ideal and the ideal of others on this board are very different. So don't rely on anyone's recommendation. Do your homework. Make a list of the places to go to. This should be easy, we have documented time and again the top clinicas and boates. Visit as many as you can. Find your ideal. And be open to finding others that are not your ideal, be open to new types. This is Brazil LOL, there are all types, types you have not even imagined.

More importantly, Brazil is not the place for a "trophy fuck" approach. By that I mean, its not like another place where one tries to fuck the prettiest girl in the club just for her looks because one knows that all the girls are hard core pros and might as well choose the best looking because the service will all be similarly mechanical. Brasileiras relate to their clients individually. If they like you, they will treat you like a lover and give themselves to you sexually more completely than your ex girlfriend ever did. If they are tired or not into you, they will be lazy and treat you differently than other clients. Charm is important. Yes you can be charming even with google translate.

I personally do not like recommending girls to other punters because guys tastes are so different. I see guys at clinicas choose girls that I would not even f for free. The best you can do is to just go to the clinicas and clubs and look for yourself. Alternatively, you can look at photoacompanhantes and favorite the ones that you like, focusing on those that have positive gp-guia.net reviews. Been discussed here many times.

In summary, do your homework, don't look for a simple recommendation. Plan your time to sample as much as possible and remain flexible in case you meet someone that you click with and decide to spend more time with. Even if she is not what you were originally looking for.

Have fun.

[Member #4732]

This is a checklist for visitors to SP. This is not directed at any particular poster.

This list is intended to help make the forum productive and helpful to all.

Do's. Before posting a question.

Read at least 10 pages of the forum before posting any question.

Make note of the helpful posters and use the "View Forum Posts" action on their name to read more posts by the helpful posters.

Make a list of the places you intend to visit based on your reading.

Make a list of any particular providers you may be thiking of seeing based on their anuncios in photoacompanhantes.com and their TDs in gpguia.net.

Map out the places you want to visit on google maps to get some sense of time and distance in SP.

After doing the above, provide your plan and ask as specific a set of questions as possible.

Don'ts.

Don't ask for any information without doing the Do's.

Don't expect the veterans on this forum to rewrite the same information that has been written a dozen times already. We are not google.

Don't expect that the tastes and opinions of the other guys are going to match your own when it comes to beauty. If you want opinions on specific types of beauty, post a link to a photo ad that conforms to that beauty rather than just words.

Don't waste your time visiting the TGTBT escort sites. Stick to the sites mentioned, particularly photoacompanhantes and particularly gp-guia.net.

There is a good chance that everything you need to know has already been posted in the last few months. You are much more likely to get help if you meet the veterans half way by posting your plan to at least show that you have harvested the information that is already available.

Cheers.

[Steve 9696]

Rovnaks advice as usual is strong. But when he was making the point about pretty girls sometimes not having good service in other countries, the point was about Brazil being great service but even more so if you are a gentleman. He was not saying (I'm sure) don't go with the prettiest girl. I always went with the prettiest girl (by my estimation) and was never disappointed.

Carolina solid 9 - Casarao.

Karina 9. 5 face (8 body) - Scandalo.

Thifany 9. 5 face (9 body) - Fazendinha.

Eduarda 9. 5 face (9. 5 body) - Moustache.

I also had the following pleasant experience twice: You know how you see some girl across a dark bar and she looks pretty hot so I wave her over. Then up close, she's a shade less attractive. Here it was the opposite. With both Thifany and Eduarda when they sat down I about fell out of my chair their were so drop dead gorgeous. No joke. Unbelievable.

If you go to a nice club you can get the looks AND the service. And for 2-3 bills including cover and drinks and girl and hotel. Wow. I love Brazil.

[Steve 9696]

So the other girl besides Thifany that I had a real BFGF connection with was Carolina. Pinged her today on WhatsApp and had a really interesting conversation. I asked her why she worked at Casarao being as beautiful as she is she could easily work Scandalo.

She said she used to work Cafe Photo and could land a guy at 800-1000/ hour (her words not mine) but it was usually one per night. She said at Casarao she has to charge less but she can go a couple times. She said she just prefers this over trying to land the big fish. So I found that really interesting. And it means you WILL find gems at Casarao if other girls think likewise.

Makes me realize also why I didn't see her in my first hour cruising Casarao. No way I could have missed a garota that pretty! She was just out of pocket and happened to return around 4 AM. No worse for the wear I'the say. Clean and pretty and ready to bang! God she was beautiful and a wicked good time!

[UniversalX]

I'm prepping for my Sampa trip in a few weeks and scoping out the Gpguia reviews for the girls I'm finding on twitter. In trying to register for a username on the site, they require a phone number. Not sure it's prudent or useful to give my personal cell phone and I won't have a Brazilian phone until I'm in country. Wonder if any have any advice. I can see the escort reviews without a profile but can't see the boites TDs or do a search.Just get a prepaid account ATT or T-Mobile or any other and just pay for 1 month (You will get a SIM card / phone number so you can get registered / verified for social media accounts that require a phone number). Then remove SIM when OCONUS and replace with Brasilian SIM / phone number.

[UniversalX]

Looking at organizing my first trip to Brazil shortly and at this stage planning for most of my time to be in SP. I've read a number of posts and the reports of distinction, but hoped I could get some direct answers to the below if possible:

2. As a complete non-Portuguese speaker how big of an impediment will this be? Are there some options completely off the table because of language barriers?

3. I've read about a lot of members, finding girls details and then contacting them via whatsapp before they get there. Where are you finding these girls to start with? Tinder? Agency sites?

Appreciate any advice any of you might have to give, and hopefully might meet some of you in person when I'm down there.

Thanks!Non-Portuguese speaking is not a deal breaker at all. Most speak relevant English to accomplish goals. Also it is good to have Google translate or other translation app on cellphone (make sure a offline version is available since you may not have cell or wifi service in some locations to utilize online service) Some girls like the phone apps its like a game.

WhatsApp I tend to find girls via Twitter accounts, as they all tend to list their phone numbers. Then you put their phone number in you phone contact list WhatsApp will verify the number and often a corresponding picture will show on phone list. It takes some digging on Twitter and even on Instagram but its worth it.

[WyattEarp]

Rovnak's right about charm and connection. Sometimes you walk into a club, talk to the hottest girl and you don't feel the connection. Another girl comes along. Looks like a hotty from your high school days or she's cute with a certain humor and / or energy. While I'm sure Steve feels like he was with three girls with 9. 5 face, I don't think we would all concur. It's more than likely, those three worked their charm on him and delivered the goods when they got together.

Maybe it's me, but I found Papi12's request post incohesive. He wants help because it's his first trip to SP, but he bolted on someone else's recommendations without a transition? Is that what that was?

There was a guy several months back who kept posting photos of Brazilian porn stars and asking if we knew of girls like that. And I want an Adriana Lima look-alike. I've never seen a girl like Adriana Lima in all my years in Brazil other than perhaps in a huge night club where the girl was surrounded by some rich, young Brazilian studs.

[Steve 9696]

Rovnak's right about charm and connection. Sometimes you walk into a club, talk to the hottest girl and you don't feel the connection. Another girl comes along. Looks like a hotty from your high school days or she's cute with a certain humor and / or energy. While I'm sure Steve feels like he was with three girls with 9. 5 face, I don't think we would all concur. It's more than likely, those three worked their charm on him and delivered the goods when they got together.

Maybe it's me, but I found Papi12's request post incohesive. He wants help because it's his first trip to SP, but he bolted on someone else's recommendations without a transition? Is that what that was?

There was a guy several months back who kept posting photos of Brazilian porn stars and asking if we knew of girls like that. And I want an Adriana Lima look-alike. I've never seen a girl like Adriana Lima in all my years in Brazil other than perhaps in a huge night club where the girl was surrounded by some rich, young Brazilian studs.Sure enough chemistry is key. It's great when you have it with a nine, but I'the take chemistry and a seven any day over none and a nine. I got very lucky to have both, but some of that was due to good scouting. At Casarao, before Carolina I tried to strike it up with this cute little spinner. Just my type. But no chemistry and Carolina soon followed.

And at Moustache I was the only guy in the club with nine girls who were 8 and up (ok maybe one or two sevens) but I chose the one who kept making strong eye contact. Then when I called her over there was strong chemistry and ooooh that face (Eduarda).

I admit to having beer goggles and fully sober my 9. 5's might come down a hair. And I pulled Thifany from the 10 pedestal having spent a full week with her. But a solid 9 in any guys book fully sober. But damn, I feel damn lucky to have met these women. It doesn't seem real honestly for that type of talent to be within reach.

My advice — save all your money and go big in Brazil!

[Member #4732]

Rovnaks advice as usual is strong. But when he was making the point about pretty girls sometimes not having good service in other countries, the point was about Brazil being great service but even more so if you are a gentleman. He was not saying (I'm sure) don't go with the prettiest girl. I always went with the prettiest girl (by my estimation) and was never disappointed.Correct, I was not suggesting that there is any particular correlation or inverse correlation with looks and service. I was just saying, that one should look for the whole package, looks and service, not just looks (or not just service). The whole subject of men's' evaluation of women's looks intrigues me. I wish that on one night I could see how all the men were rating the looks of all the women there. It would be interesting. I know that I am constantly stunned by the girls that other guys are picking out of lineups and or posting photos. They say there is no accounting for taste and it really is true. I don't know if the guys that are picking girls that I consider to be below average in looks are doing so because they consider those girls to be hot looking or because they are going for service specifically and they don't care that much about looks? Or they did not get a good vibe from the better looking girls so they chose the less attractive chick instead? This is part of the reason I am hesitant to recommend anyone to anyone, I have no confidence that the other monger will see the same beauty that I see. Maybe we all think we chose the best looker. Even though we are all wrinkling our nose at what the other guy chose.

[DoMat]

Personally I think "chemistry" is overrated or misidentified. Most of the time what you feel is chemistry is just the girl being good at her job and she has this "chemistry" with everyone.

I think it is amazing some of these girls are just so good that you feel it must be a special connection. That is why I try not to read gpguia reviews of my favorites because I want to pretend I am special when in fact they are basically the same with everyone.

[Balboa]

Personally I think "chemistry" is overrated or misidentified. Most of the time what you feel is chemistry is just the girl being good at her job and she has this "chemistry" with everyone.

I think it is amazing some of these girls are just so good that you feel it must be a special connection. That is why I try not to read gpguia reviews of my favorites because I want to pretend I am special when in fact they are basically the same with everyone.Haha, I disagree completely.

These girls are people, obviously have better chemistry with some over others.

Don't you have better chemistry, a better feeling with some girls over others?

[DoMat]

Haha, I disagree completely.

These girls are people, obviously have better chemistry with some over others.

Don't you have better chemistry, a better feeling with some girls over others?Yes, I do. Then when I read reviews I notice that the girl has the same "chemistry" with almost everyone. The bad girls don't have chemistry with anyone.

But I always say that unless you fall in love, thinking you are special here is preferable to the truth. So go at it.

[UniversalX]

Personally I think "chemistry" is overrated or misidentified. Most of the time what you feel is chemistry is just the girl being good at her job and she has this "chemistry" with everyone.

I think it is amazing some of these girls are just so good that you feel it must be a special connection. That is why I try not to read gpguia reviews of my favorites because I want to pretend I am special when in fact they are basically the same with everyone.Chemistry / Vibe / Connection / Eye Contact / Mutual Attraction is not overrated it may or may not come to you but you know if when you see it and better yet when you feel it. I have mongered at various Hot Spots around the world. Sure Girls may come up to you and say anything but you have to know who just wants your $$$ verses who really wants to be with you. I have personally had girls specifically say they have been watching me and want to be with me and were not interested in others. I have been talking or hanging with other girls and have had girls specifically ask if I was with a particular girl because they wanted to be with me. Believe me I am not sex symbol.

And I have to say when it happens that the right girl approaches or gives me the eye or I feel a particular vibe during conversation that they want to be with me those have always been the most memorable experiences. In one case a girl came up to me and said she had been watching me talk to other girls but was intimidated and didn't feel she had a chance to be with me. It floored me that a WG would say that as well as how she approached me. We talked, and she genuinely seemed apprehensive but really wanted to be with me. Well I felt she did in fact want me, so I rewarded her by taking her to my hotel room. I thought I was going to get basic service going in, oh to my surprise, I didn't even ask but everything was offered to me and I mean everything! The vibe and attraction was so great she didn't want to leave (stayed all night) even though she eventually had to get home. Believe me I had the time of my life. I still think of her and others in similar circumstances all the time.

It may not happen all the time and at all venues you frequent but when mutual Attraction / Vibe / Chemistry appears go for it. You just have to recognize it because there are good Actresses out there trying to relieve you of your $$ and give bad service.

[WyattEarp]

The Latin languages have a word simpatico. It doesn't translate well into English. It certainly doesn't mean sympathy. It doesn't mean likeable as defined by some dictionaries. The best description I found was the Urban Dictionary that kind of describes it as an alignment of vibe and a flow.

If you have experienced it with a P4P provider, you would know it. It's not that the transactional part of it has disappeared, but that the girl is giving you something more that can't always be described. P4P girls can have rough, distant existences. If they can find a moment of fun, pleasure and kindness with a guy, some of them really do appreciate it.

I can say most of my experiences have been transactional. Not necessarily bad, but not "simpatico". I have had a couple experiences in Brazil where the girl didn't want to leave. One that I met up with eighteen months later. They wanted to hang out with me at the beach or take me sightseeing. None of them took me to expensive restaurants or asked me to take them shopping. I can easily say when a Brazilian girl gives you a little more of herself you will know it. While they are great actresses, many Brasileiras are very warm and passionate.

[Steve 9696]

Good conversation. Here is my perspective and a tally of this years chemistry. First let's define chemistry. To me it is the feeling that the other person is into you and really WANTS to be in that moment with you. To me the most amazing thing is that many professional and semi-pro girls who can GENERATE this somewhat on demand. And it is REAL at that time.

This is amazing. Turn the tables for a minute. There is a fat, gray, old lady who wants you to kiss her passionately and DATY her. You now need to do this AND make her believe that you are into her. Good luck! Men totally suck at this! And yet the top girls can absolutely do this. However, many pretty girls can not generate this as easily depending on your fatness grayness or oldness. Since it's really important to me, I choose to improve my odds by not being fat or gray (can't fix being old!) and it's generally worked for me.

So I think there is room for several POVs here, because:

1. Top girls can generate chemistry with anyone.

2. Many girls can generate it if you have a few points in your favor.

3. There are definitely occasions when a girl is truly into you for whatever reason and the chemistry is natural and beyond the minimum GFE threshold.

Next up- my chemistry tally for the year so far. Worldwide.

[Steve 9696]

Not in chronological order, but from least to most chemistry more or less. I'd say on balance a few low chem experiences that were generally pleasant regardless and a couple surprising super high ones.

Low Chem.

Lara. Allure - London.

Very pretty girl but taller than I like (5'10") and lacked the soulful brown eyes. So this is on me. DFK was super light so that killed It straight off. Quality sex but it felt like we were both pretending. Expensive too. Learning experience. The dick knows what it wants. Never argue with the dick!

Duda's Duo Friend. Boate Ilha. Caxias do Sul.

Just wasn't very into her from the get go.

Duda. Boate Ilha. Caxias do Sul.

Just not a very passionate person. CDS is a pussy wasteland, so not my fault!

Mariana. Tangara - São Paulo.

All the elements were there, but just felt transactional.

Rina. Tokyo Hentai Club. Tokyo.

Great BBBJ and Sumata. But it just felt paid for. No kissing, so I am sure that was part of it.

Varying Degrees of Chemistry.

Viet1 - Manhattan. Shanghai.

Very pretty. Solid sex and CBJ. Little kissing. Kept her overnight, so it couldn't have been that bad!

Thifany's Friend. Fazendinha - Campinas.

Pretty hot kissing three way and grinding on the dance floor. But I was so into Thifany, I couldn't really connect fully.

Terra. Diva Incall. London.

Solid GFE mechanics but the passion was missing. Good experience but could have been better.

Carol. Boate Ilha. CDS.

Clearly a pro, but she could generate passion. Knew it wasn't real but it still felt good anyhow!

Honey. Tokyo Hentai Club.

Pretty solid chemistry. So much for me is around the DFK. She is the reigning number 2 DFK all time worldwide, after Thifany dethroned her. So yeah. Chemistry.

Mary Ninfeta. My room. São Paulo.

Just a passionate girl. Can probably generate chemistry with anyone.

Strong+ Chemistry.

Viet2 - Manhattan. Shanghai.

College girl. Kissing in the restaurant. Kissing in the cab. Deep intense kissing in the room. Intense BBBJ and sex. Passion.

Eduarda. Moustache - Campinas.

Very handsy and friendly from the get go. Started getting it going in the cab. Wildcat in bed. So not a sweet and slow chemistry, but a lets get these clothes off and fuck chemistry. Not that there's anything wrong with that. .

Cambria and Kendall. Diva Incall. London.

I would have probably said you can't generate chemistry in a duo, had I not experienced it. We were all three in perfect sync in a mad mashup of wine, BBBJ, DFK, FIV, doggie, mish and whatever else and the passion was off the charts. Still my favorite P4 P experience to date.

Karina. Scandalo - São Paulo.

Hot chemistry from second one. Laughing, touching. Dancing. Spent TWO HOURS flirting before I even thought to say lets get a room. That's some real chemistry. Asked me to drive with her to the beach in the morning but I had to decline.

ChristineGFE. Her Apt. Phoenix.

Just felt natural from the first minute. Comfortable together. She showed me her toy collection and how to use her favorite. Spent four nights together. Was like coming home from work to your hot Fillipina girlfriend!

Xxxx. Tokyo Hentai Club. Tokyo.

Just hit it off passionately from the get go. Did three sessions together which included full sex at no extra charge (Can run $200 extra, tho I did tip her modestly). She is no longer escorting but we stay in touch and hope to see each other again.

Carolina. Casarao - São Paulo.

Serious chemistry. Again around the DFK. Fuck-me passionate DFK. Super comfortable together. Slow and meaningful mish. I truly believe she didn't want me to leave that second date. But I had to work in the morning.

Thifany. Fazendinha - Campinas.

Knew it from the first kiss. We were BOTH into making out like teenagers. DFK for ten minutes at a a stretch and neither wanting to quit. Unsolicited rim job. Oh and then she flew to London to spend a week with me and wants to do it again soon. Guess that's chemistry! And honestly, the feeling that this gorgeous 23 year old adores me is the best thing on the planet. Beats sex by a mile.

Pretty good year so far! With thanks to you all for your solid SP counsel!

[Papi12]

What I am looking for is the illusion of girl who simply adores the companions of an older man.

I understand that any pro can act.

It is different when their acting can make you feel they are really into you. I have game and am able to do well in my home city with non pros. I just have a thing for the Brazilian tiny bubble booty and can charm her panties off, when I find her.

I am staying near the US Consulate close to Brooklin Novo.

Any clubs fun to go as a single older male in the area?

Any particular girls I should be on the look out for?

With all due respect, your type of request comes up all the time and it is fundamentally the wrong way to approach a visit to Brasil in my opinion. Guys come on this board asking for particular types of girls all the time. One guy was "crazy for big naturals", wanted to know where he could find "big naturals". Others want "the girl next store", others want "looks like actress X" etc. I understand the motivation, I too go to places hoping to find my "ideal" but the problem is your ideal and my ideal and the ideal of others on this board are very different. So don't rely on anyone's recommendation. Do your homework. Make a list of the places to go to. This should be easy, we have documented time and again the top clinicas and boates. Visit as many as you can. Find your ideal. And be open to finding others that are not your ideal, be open to new types. This is Brazil LOL, there are all types, types you have not even imagined.

More importantly, Brazil is not the place for a "trophy fuck" approach. By that I mean, its not like another place where one tries to fuck the prettiest girl in the club just for her looks because one knows that all the girls are hard core pros and might as well choose the best looking because the service will all be similarly mechanical. Brasileiras relate to their clients individually. If they like you, they will treat you like a lover and give themselves to you sexually more completely than your ex girlfriend ever did. If they are tired or not into you, they will be lazy and treat you differently than other clients. Charm is important. Yes you can be charming even with google translate.

I personally do not like recommending girls to other punters because guys tastes are so different. I see guys at clinicas choose girls that I would not even f for free. The best you can do is to just go to the clinicas and clubs and look for yourself. Alternatively, you can look at photoacompanhantes and favorite the ones that you like, focusing on those that have positive gp-guia.net reviews. Been discussed here many times.

In summary, do your homework, don't look for a simple recommendation. Plan your time to sample as much as possible and remain flexible in case you meet someone that you click with and decide to spend more time with. Even if she is not what you were originally looking for.

Have fun.

[ChiMonger]

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ABG.How do I get in touch with you? This site won't allow me to PM. Might be too late as I'm here for one night and all ay Saturday but thought I'd try.

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[AltoBomGosto]

Yesterday I went with an American friend, over 30 girls at the parade, several girls from Curitiba. I went with Luara, a gorgeous mulata from Belo Horizonte and my friend with Hel, a nice little moreninha. Both are GFE and do BBBJ & CIM.

Today the place will be open from noon till 8 PM. If someone wants to meet me there I will arrive at 01 PM today.

ABG.

[AltoBomGosto]

Yesterday I went with an American friend, over 30 girls at the parade, several girls from Curitiba. I went with Luara, a gorgeous mulata from Belo Horizonte and my friend with Hel, a nice little moreninha. Both are GFE and do BBBJ & CIM.

Today the place will be open from noon till 8 PM. If someone wants to meet me there I will arrive at 01 PM today.

ABG.P.S. Adress Rua Tangará 200, Vila Mariana, near to Instituto Biológico and Parque do Ibirapuera.

ABG.

[AltoBomGosto]

What I am looking for is the illusion of girl who simply adores the companions of an older man.

I understand that any pro can act.

It is different when their acting can make you feel they are really into you. I have game and am able to do well in my home city with non pros. I just have a thing for the Brazilian tiny bubble booty and can charm her panties off, when I find her.

I am staying near the US Consulate close to Brooklin Novo.

Any clubs fun to go as a single older male in the area?

Any particular girls I should be on the look out for?

With all due respect, your type of request comes up all the time and it is fundamentally the wrong way to approach a visit to Brasil in my opinion. Guys come on this board asking for particular types of girls all the time. One guy was "crazy for big naturals", wanted to know where he could find "big naturals". Others want "the girl next store", others want "looks like actress X" etc. I understand the motivation, I too go to places hoping to find my "ideal" but the problem is your ideal and my ideal and the ideal of others on this board are very different. So don't rely on anyone's recommendation. Do your homework. Make a list of the places to go to. This should be easy, we have documented time and again the top clinicas and boates. Visit as many as you can. Find your ideal. And be open to finding others that are not your ideal, be open to new types. This is Brazil LOL, there are all types, types you have not even imagined.

More importantly, Brazil is not the place for a "trophy fuck" approach. By that I mean, its not like another place where one tries to fuck the prettiest girl in the club just for her looks because one knows that all the girls are hard core pros and might as well choose the best looking because the service will all be similarly mechanical. Brasileiras relate to their clients individually. If they like you, they will treat you like a lover and give themselves to you sexually more completely than your ex girlfriend ever did. If they are tired or not into you, they will be lazy and treat you differently than other clients. Charm is important. Yes you can be charming even with google translate.

I personally do not like recommending girls to other punters because guys tastes are so different. I see guys at clinicas choose girls that I would not even f for free. The best you can do is to just go to the clinicas and clubs and look for yourself. Alternatively, you can look at photoacompanhantes and favorite the ones that you like, focusing on those that have positive gp-guia.net reviews. Been discussed here many times.

In summary, do your homework, don't look for a simple recommendation. Plan your time to sample as much as possible and remain flexible in case you meet someone that you click with and decide to spend more time with. Even if she is not what you were originally looking for.

Have fun.The nearest Clinica near you is Brooklin, Rua Joaquim Guarani 147. They are open today.

Best cast on Sundays you will have at Tangará, for details see my comments below.

ABG.

[AltoBomGosto]

P.S. Adress Rua Tangar 200, Vila Mariana, near to Instituto Biolgico and Parque do Ibirapuera.

ABG.Correct adress: Rua Tangara 200.

[AltoBomGosto]

Yesterday I went with an American friend, over 30 girls at the parade, several girls from Curitiba. I went with Luara, a gorgeous mulata from Belo Horizonte and my friend with Hel, a nice little moreninha. Both are GFE and do BBBJ & CIM.

Today the place will be open from noon till 8 PM. If someone wants to meet me there I will arrive at 01 PM today.

ABG.The second girl's name is Heloo.

[LikeGirls]

On my last trip I made 2 visits to Tangara. Prices are still unchanged (R $100 for 30 min, 150 for 60 minutes), but the quality of girls has really gone up. I saw a number of girls whom I would have immediately gone with but decided on Roberta. Roberta is 21, slim and elegant, polite. When I saw her in the shower, I knew that I made the right decision. Everything perfect. I'm returning to SP in 10 days and will go to Tangara as often as I have time.

[AltoBomGosto]

On my last trip I made 2 visits to Tangara. Prices are still unchanged (R $100 for 30 min, 150 for 60 minutes), but the quality of girls has really gone up. I saw a number of girls whom I would have immediately gone with but decided on Roberta. Roberta is 21, slim and elegant, polite. When I saw her in the shower, I knew that I made the right decision. Everything perfect. I'm returning to SP in 10 days and will go to Tangara as often as I have time.IMO Tangara has the best line up now!

ABG.

[Member #4732]

Within one hour today I heard from 2 of my regular freelance GPS that their whatapp was banned, they receive a message that the whataspp affiliated with numer xxx was banned and to contact support. I have heard of tinder and twitter blocking garotas, usually after denunciations but whatsapp is fundamentally different, I don't understand what they may have violated. Any ideas? Day after election, weird.

[FunnyLoverBoy]

Yesterday I went with an American friend, over 30 girls at the parade, several girls from Curitiba. I went with Luara, a gorgeous mulata from Belo Horizonte and my friend with Hel, a nice little moreninha. Both are GFE and do BBBJ & CIM.

Today the place will be open from noon till 8 PM. If someone wants to meet me there I will arrive at 01 PM today.

ABG.What is the address??

[Nordico]

Within one hour today I heard from 2 of my regular freelance GPS that their whatapp was banned, they receive a message that the whataspp affiliated with numer xxx was banned and to contact support. I have heard of tinder and twitter blocking garotas, usually after denunciations but whatsapp is fundamentally different, I don't understand what they may have violated. Any ideas? Day after election, weird.One of the ladies I know, who has been blocked, got in heated discussion with Bolsonaro supporters on Twitter and blocked them. Maybe these persons have reported the girls as spammers on WhatsApp?

[Kcrl02]

What is the address??Rua Tangara 200.

[Member #4732]

One of the ladies I know, who has been blocked, got in heated discussion with Bolsonaro supporters on Twitter and blocked them. Maybe these persons have reported the girls as spammers on WhatsApp?Maybe, but neither of the 2 I know of are political or do any spamming. Seems odd that whatsapp will cancel their main communication vector so abruptly forcing them to get a new telephone number which costs money, and takes time, and has knock on effects in anuncios. One called support to get an explanation but she said she was on hold so long she finally gave up and got a new number. I have not heard from the other as she is now without what's.

[Member #4732]

Maybe, but neither of the 2 I know of are political or do any spamming. Seems odd that whatsapp will cancel their main communication vector so abruptly forcing them to get a new telephone number which costs money, and takes time, and has knock on effects in anuncios. One called support to get an explanation but she said she was on hold so long she finally gave up and got a new number. I have not heard from the other as she is now without what's.FYI, the 2nd GP told me that she contacted wharsapp support and they told her that the system flagged her number because it accumulated a lot of new contacts in a short amount of time, which they interpreted as an indication of spamming. They were inflexible on the issue and refused to reactivate the original number. I do not understand how the same algorithm would not also falsely flag a lot of legitimate businesses that advertise their whatsapp numbers. But that is all I know so far. Seems an odd metric to use for banishment in the absence of any other indicators, but that is what they told her.

[Frankfurt]

Hello ABG,

Their website says "R. Joaquim Guarani, 121" -google map shows black iron gate with '12'1 on it. Please confirm if the address is 121 or 147 -thank you!

Frankfurt.


The nearest Clinica near you is Brooklin, Rua Joaquim Guarani 147. They are open today.

Best cast on Sundays you will have at Tangar, for details see my comments below.

ABG.

[Member #4732]

Hello ABG,

Their website says "R. Joaquim Guarani, 121" -google map shows black iron gate with '12'1 on it. Please confirm if the address is 121 or 147 -thank you!

Frankfurt.121. There are usually parking attendants hanging in the garage entrance, just nod and walk past them into the lobby.

[R The Man]

Hey guys, looking forward to visiting Sao Paolo again for a few days, in about 10 days. Last visit had a great time with ABG's guidance, visited Tangara and Brooklin. This time interested in trying some boates, too. A couple of questions that I had trouble finding on search:

1) What are the hours for Tangara and Brooklin, on Tuesdays to Fridays? How late are they open those nights?

2) I have no Portuguese at all, and don't have time to learn any. I hobby all over the world with English alone, so quite comfortable even when not much talking beyond Google translate (I'm in it for the sex, not the relationship). How much of a problem will that be at Scandallo or Casarao or Cafe Photo? If I only have time for one, which would you recommend? I'll be staying at the Renaissance Sao Paolo.

Finally, if anyone wants to hit a boate with me, happy to connect by pm.

[Balboa]

Hey guys, looking forward to visiting Sao Paolo again for a few days, in about 10 days. Last visit had a great time with ABG's guidance, visited Tangara and Brooklin. This time interested in trying some boates, too. A couple of questions that I had trouble finding on search:

1) What are the hours for Tangara and Brooklin, on Tuesdays to Fridays? How late are they open those nights?

2) I have no Portuguese at all, and don't have time to learn any. I hobby all over the world with English alone, so quite comfortable even when not much talking beyond Google translate (I'm in it for the sex, not the relationship). How much of a problem will that be at Scandallo or Casarao or Cafe Photo? If I only have time for one, which would you recommend? I'll be staying at the Renaissance Sao Paolo.

Finally, if anyone wants to hit a boate with me, happy to connect by pm.No portugus needed, however, obviously the more the better.

If you're a Google translate master, LOL, you'll be ok.

Casaro is just down the street from you on Augusta, it's more of a Frat house atmosphere, lots of girls, but IMO a few keepers only, but I always find something I like.

It's fairly inexpensive, 40 real entrance with some drinks included.

About 300 real total for 40 min session, 400 real for the hour.

(Including the room).

Shouldn't pay more than that.

100 real exit fee, if you want to leave w the girl, usually they ask for 400 real for themselves.

Scandalo and / or Photo more swanky, high end club, much more money.

I've been there done it, not for me, the best girls in Casaro are just as good as girls at the swanky spots, IMO.

Some guys dig that high end scene though, and that's cool and Ok too, just not for me.

[Steve 9696]

Hey guys, looking forward to visiting Sao Paolo again for a few days, in about 10 days. Last visit had a great time with ABG's guidance, visited Tangara and Brooklin. This time interested in trying some boates, too. A couple of questions that I had trouble finding on search:

1) What are the hours for Tangara and Brooklin, on Tuesdays to Fridays? How late are they open those nights?

2) I have no Portuguese at all, and don't have time to learn any. I hobby all over the world with English alone, so quite comfortable even when not much talking beyond Google translate (I'm in it for the sex, not the relationship). How much of a problem will that be at Scandallo or Casarao or Cafe Photo? If I only have time for one, which would you recommend? I'll be staying at the Renaissance Sao Paolo.

Finally, if anyone wants to hit a boate with me, happy to connect by pm.Balboa has it right on. Read my copious reports (many pages back now) for both general tips and a Scandallo and Casarao debrief. As Balboa says Casarao is cheap but there are real gems. You just have to prospect for them. Took me an hour of continuous cruising and two encounters that did not fly before I found my gem Carolina. She ended up number 3 on my 2018 best girls list (out of 28) so clearly a gem. She was R400 as Balboa says.

If you like the "king of the world" experience — which I do — then Scandallo is your place. It will be 500 just for drinks and such if you stay a while plus R600-700 for the girl. But it is quite an experience. Karina (who ended up number 5 or 6 on my list) and I literally hung out and danced and flirted for 2 hours before even getting a room. Class act girl and class act club.

Have to say again tha t Brazil is awesome. Must have taken 6 or so spots on my top ten list. Just a different breed those Brasileiras! Enjoy!

[R The Man]

Thanks steve9696 & balboa. Enjoy your informative posts. Guess I'll start with Casarao and then see. I have meetings during the day, so can't be up so late, and want to be sure to have some time at Tangara.

[AltoBomGosto]

Hey guys, looking forward to visiting Sao Paolo again for a few days, in about 10 days. Last visit had a great time with ABG's guidance, visited Tangara and Brooklin. This time interested in trying some boates, too. A couple of questions that I had trouble finding on search:

1) What are the hours for Tangara and Brooklin, on Tuesdays to Fridays? How late are they open those nights?

2) I have no Portuguese at all, and don't have time to learn any. I hobby all over the world with English alone, so quite comfortable even when not much talking beyond Google translate (I'm in it for the sex, not the relationship). How much of a problem will that be at Scandallo or Casarao or Cafe Photo? If I only have time for one, which would you recommend? I'll be staying at the Renaissance Sao Paolo.

Finally, if anyone wants to hit a boate with me, happy to connect by pm.Plese PM me, I'm tying to PM you with no sucess. There is a problem on the PM messager.

ABG.

[Frankfurt]

Hello guys,

Requesting some help in deciding where to stay in SP. I spent a lot of research in deciding where to stay. My preferences are (1) reasonably priced with WiFi and gym (2) close to clinicas in walking distances (3) Close to Metro. After spending hours on this I decided on Mercure in Moema. But them I found out that there are two Mercur hotels in Moema - (1) Mercure SP Moema hotel on Av. Lavandisca and (2) Mercure Sao Paulo Previlege hotel on Av. Macuco. However both hotels are walking distance to Moema Metro Station on Line 5 (Lilac line). Besides having two Mercur hotels in same area, to further complicate the situation, I read that airport noise from domestic airport is a BIG problem! Hence my questions:

1. Which of the two Mercure hotels would you recommend?

2. How is the sound proofing in the Mercure hotels listed above? Is it really that terrible? I need some quiet at night for sleep and peace during day time for business calls from my room.

3. If noise is really that bad -could someone recommend a hotel with gym near Republica metro station? Why I picked Republica I don't know except a tour I plan to take starts from the Republica park. Yeah I know, not a compelling reason but picking up a hotel in huge metropolis is like finding the right piece of hay in the haystack! Near Republica, I narrowed down hotel list to 'Nobile Downtown Sao Paulo' on are. Araújo, 141.

4. The 3rd choice on my list is Mercure Sao Paulo Paulista on are. Sao Carlo off of Av. Paulista close to Brigadeiro metro station.

So a call out to SP experts to help me decide on hotel (must have gym + solid WiFi and walking distance to Metro). I am not into late night outs and prefer day time action, hence staying in Moema near a number of clinicas was my first choice but the airport noise concerns is making me rethink that option.

Thanks in advance for any input.

Frankfurt.

[Steve 9696]

Just back from a quick 8 girls stint in Berlin at Artemis FKK and Agency Liberty. While Artemis is well known to be high priced and lower service than some FKKs, let me just say how much it makes me appreciate Sao Paulo!

Brasilerias totally rule! Carolina, Thifany, Eduarda, Karina, and Mary were all without exception great girls -- great attitude, great GFE, great experience. Oh, and did I forget drop dead georgeous -- all 8. 5's and up. OMG still in love with a few of them! THANK YOU SAO PAULO (and Campinas) for the best girls on the planet!

[The Cane]

Hello guys,

Requesting some help in deciding where to stay in SP. I spent a lot of research in deciding where to stay. My preferences are (1) reasonably priced with WiFi and gym (2) close to clinicas in walking distances (3) Close to Metro. After spending hours on this I decided on Mercure in Moema. But them I found out that there are two Mercur hotels in Moema - (1) Mercure SP Moema hotel on Av. Lavandisca and (2) Mercure Sao Paulo Previlege hotel on Av. Macuco. However both hotels are walking distance to Moema Metro Station on Line 5 (Lilac line). Besides having two Mercur hotels in same area, to further complicate the situation, I read that airport noise from domestic airport is a BIG problem!I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Privilege on Macuco and strongly do not recommend. Yes, the airport noise was that bad. And the quality of the internet connection was absolute garbage and one of the worst that I can recall at any hotel I have ever stayed in (and that's a lot). Also, the ability to control the room temperature was poor, the bathroom tiny, and the overall service by the staff weak. The room safe did not work upon arrival, and they had to bring me a new one. At least one of the taxi drivers out front was crooked. I would not return, and do not recommend Mercure Privilege on Macuco. It's too bad too because it is in a good location. I'm usually OK with most hotels that I pick. That's why this one stands out so much. It sucked! Not recommended based on my personal unsatisfactory experience there.

[Lefeu]

... (1) Mercure SP Moema hotel on Av. Lavandisca and (2) Mercure Sao Paulo Previlege hotel on Av. Macuco...I stayed earlier this year at hotel Mercure on Ave. Lavandisca for 5 days, and I was bothered by the airplane noise from the domestic airport nearby. I am also curious to know about hotels where the airport noise is not too bad. Thanks.

[Kcrl02]

Don't if it was lost or stolen, can't find my iPhone. I go to Find My iPhone on my MacBook and I get a signal from Campinas, Sao Paulo. WTF? Can anyone suggest somewhere where I can place an Int'l phone call to the USA to call my bank, etc?

[DoMat]

I stayed earlier this year at hotel Mercure on Ave. Lavandisca for 5 days, and I was bothered by the airplane noise from the domestic airport nearby. I am also curious to know about hotels where the airport noise is not too bad. Thanks.If you don't want to wake up at 6 am and airplane noise is a concern unfortunately Moemo is not the place for you.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

I stayed in an airbnb at Mercure Moema in February and am now in an airbnb at Mercure Priviledge. Both are almost the same distance to Moema metro station. Looking at the info on hotels.com, Moema appears to have better rooms, higher rating (8. 6 versus 7. 8) and also be a little cheaper. Regarding noise, there was occasional airplane noise in the morning but nothing that bothersome that I wouldn't stay there again. The noise at Priviledge is also not too bad, the occasional dragster late at night, and sometimes some aircraft flying overhead (especially on last Thursday morning, apparently due to flight schedules, there were a lot of planes flying overhead in the morning). If you stay at Priviledge, request a room on a high floor and not facing Avenida Macuco to reduce road traffic noise.

I would not rule out either place because of noise concerns, and I doubt any hotel in Moema is immune from some noise from aircraft flying overhead.

[Desnudo1]

Plese PM me, I'm tying to PM you with no sucess. There is a problem on the PM messager.

ABG.Hi ABG,

You mentioned you are having problems with Private Messages. I've sent you a few and wondering if your able to receive and reply back.

[Member #4732]

I stayed in an airbnb at Mercure Moema in February and am now in an airbnb at Mercure Priviledge. Both are almost the same distance to Moema metro station. Looking at the info on hotels.com, Moema appears to have better rooms, higher rating (8. 6 versus 7. 8) and also be a little cheaper. Regarding noise, there was occasional airplane noise in the morning but nothing that bothersome that I wouldn't stay there again. The noise at Priviledge is also not too bad, the occasional dragster late at night, and sometimes some aircraft flying overhead (especially on last Thursday morning, apparently due to flight schedules, there were a lot of planes flying overhead in the morning). If you stay at Priviledge, request a room on a high floor and not facing Avenida Macuco to reduce road traffic noise.

I would not rule out either place because of noise concerns, and I doubt any hotel in Moema is immune from some noise from aircraft flying overhead.As a resident directly in the flight path I have grown accustomed to it to the point where I do not even notice the planes but I can understand that it might bother visitors, although I would expect the hotels to be more soundproof than my apartment. I do recall that years ago I stayed at what was a Mercure but is now called Aparthotel Adagio São Paulo Moema on Jamaris and I did not notice any noise at all, and I was new to the city at that time so I was more sensitive. No idea about the condition of that hotel these days. Its not far from the other 2 being discussed but its on the indios side of avenida Ibirapuera. I. E. The clinicas side.

One thing to note about Congonhas airport schedules. The flight noise is highly variable depending on day of week due to high % of flights which service the business travelers that arrive or leave Sao Paulo for the business week. Therefore, by far, the busiest times are Sunday late afternoon. Early evening, Monday morning, and Friday afternoon. Outside of those "rush hours" the flight are far less frequent, at least in my experience.

[Desnudo1]

Hi ABG,

You mentioned you're having issues with sending PM's.

I have sent you a Private Message and not sure if you're able to receive or reply.

Looking forward to visiting SP for the first time November 23 for a few weeks and hopefully having somebody to show me around.

Thanks.

[Member #4732]

Don't if it was lost or stolen, can't find my iPhone. I go to Find My iPhone on my MacBook and I get a signal from Campinas, Sao Paulo. WTF? Can anyone suggest somewhere where I can place an Int'l phone call to the USA to call my bank, etc?I use Skype Out all the time to place international phone calls.

[Nordico]

I stayed in an airbnb at Mercure Moema in February and am now in an airbnb at Mercure Priviledge. Both are almost the same distance to Moema metro station. Looking at the info on hotels.com, Moema appears to have better rooms, higher rating (8. 6 versus 7. 8) and also be a little cheaper. Regarding noise, there was occasional airplane noise in the morning but nothing that bothersome that I wouldn't stay there again. The noise at Priviledge is also not too bad, the occasional dragster late at night, and sometimes some aircraft flying overhead (especially on last Thursday morning, apparently due to flight schedules, there were a lot of planes flying overhead in the morning). If you stay at Priviledge, request a room on a high floor and not facing Avenida Macuco to reduce road traffic noise.

I would not rule out either place because of noise concerns, and I doubt any hotel in Moema is immune from some noise from aircraft flying overhead.The noise didn't bother me, but I can understand that some people sleep so lightly that it could be a problem. There is a third Mercure hotel in Moema, Mercure SP Times Square. I don't know if there is much difference, but it is slightly further away from the airplanes route and closer to the metro. When the planes approach the CGH airport they fly over Shopping Ibirapuera. The airport is closed from 11 PM till 06 AM. If you think noise may a problem, stay at Mercure SP Paulista. It is a very nice area, not far away from Tangara, Casarao, Bomboa and you can Uber to the other clinicas. Even if Republica may be too posh for the taste of Vila Mimosa (RJ) aficionados, it's quite dark at night and may not be the best place for a first time visitor. If you book a Mercure, make sure you book a renovated room. The old ones had their best before date long time ago, but the new ones are nice.

[Member #4732]

The noise didn't bother me, but I can understand that some people sleep so lightly that it could be a problem. There is a third Mercure hotel in Moema, Mercure SP Times Square. I don't know if there is much difference, but it is slightly further away from the airplanes route and closer to the metro. When the planes approach the CGH airport they fly over Shopping Ibirapuera. The airport is closed from 11 PM till 06 AM. If you think noise may a problem, stay at Mercure SP Paulista. It is a very nice area, not far away from Tangara, Casarao, Bomboa and you can Uber to the other clinicas. Even if Republica may be too posh for the taste of Vila Mimosa (RJ) aficionados, it's quite dark at night and may not be the best place for a first time visitor. If you book a Mercure, make sure you book a renovated room. The old ones had their best before date long time ago, but the new ones are nice.Yeah, Mercure SP Times Square on Jamaris, that is the one I was referring to below. When I went to look for it on google maps I found Aparthotel Adagio at that address so I thought it changed owners, but now I see it is still listed as Times Square on Accor site. I suspect it may be cross listed under both names.

[Nordico]

Yeah, Mercure SP Times Square on Jamaris, that is the one I was referring to below. When I went to look for it on google maps I found Aparthotel Adagio at that address so I thought it changed owners, but now I see it is still listed as Times Square on Accor site. I suspect it may be cross listed under both names.No, they are both there. There are three buildings. The one facing the street is the aparthotel Adagio. That's where some of the higher end girls live. On the left side is the Mercure hotel. Also the breakfast room and gym are in the Adagio building. They both belong to Accor hotels. I’m not sure if the one on the right side is office building or more apartments.

[JohnJones22]

Yes, that is her name, I talked to her other friend who is called camila remedy, and she said she does it privately,and have no postings anywhere, so to be able to get her contact I need to meet camila and her for a duo LOL, maybe you can make a date with both of them and then introduce her to me afterwards? LOL, Her friend antonella is great and she said I will like her also.At Nuupter you have exquisite taste in women. Going to SP next week and will check out some of the girls you mentioned; Nicoli Blanco, Liliana, Beatriz Aguiar (although her number doesn't seem to work anymore; does she have a new one?

BTW how did you get in touch with Camila Remedy? How much did she want? Help me understand correctly, Camila Remedy and Antonella Ribeiro both offered you to have a threesome with Suelen Castro (only a threesome, no way of getting Suelen by herself)? I'm after Camila and / or Suelen (1 on 1) and I'd pay good money for either one, please guide a brother in the right direction! Best.

[Frankfurt]

Thanks gentlemen for providing your input on my hotel question on the forum and thanks to those who sent me PM. It greatly helps me in narrowing down my choice.

Cheers,

Frankfurt.


No, they are both there. There are three buildings. The one facing the street is the aparthotel Adagio. That's where some of the higher end girls live. On the left side is the Mercure hotel. Also the breakfast room and gym are in the Adagio building. They both belong to Accor hotels. Im not sure if the one on the right side is office building or more apartments.

[EricW8662]

Read the FAQ, but where is the Private Message link?

I can't see it on any page.

Also, how long does it take for a message to post?

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[Azn Safado]

I went with a couple of ISG'ers last night to this club. It's in Santo Amaro on Rua Barao do Rio Branco, 962. When you walk in, it is a long rectangle with checkered floors and red lighting. It looks like Casarao lite. There's a bar on the left and a long row of 2 person couches on the right. There is also an upper floor that covers about half of the club, where you can see the main floor from above. The place doesn't have a separate smoking room, so it was quite smoky.

There were about 45 girls in the house at about 11:30 pm. Out of all of them, I would probably pay for 5 or 6 of those girls at the club's prices. The rest were zoo creatures. The place had about a 1-to-1 ratio of guys to girls, not as bad as Casarao's typical sausage fest of 5-to-1. I talked to one girl who was pretty cute. She worked and stayed at the club Thurs-Sun. Then went back to her other daily life at Guarulhos during the other days. There are no on-site rooms, but there is a motel across the street and another one about 100 feet to the right of the club that customers take the girls to. Prices are as follows:

- Entrance: R$10 which includes 2 house brand beers and a refrigerante.

- Half-Hour Session: R$100 including room.

- One Hour Session: R$180 including room.

- Taking the girl out of the club - this is no misprint: R$500 to the house and R$500 to the girl for 6 to 8 hours of pleasure.

The place had a Tijuana vibe to it. I kind of felt like I was in Mexico. Nobody ended up taking any of the girls. It has some potential for a late night option since the pricing is pretty good, well except for the take out price but one can just get a girl's number and meet her later without the house involved.

[Member #4732]

I went with a couple of ISG'ers last night to this club. It's in Santo Amaro on Rua Barao do Rio Branco, 962. ows:

- Entrance: R$10 which includes 2 house brand beers and a refrigerante.

- Half-Hour Session: R$100 including room.

- One Hour Session: R$180 including room.Good report. Just one detail. The room that is included in the price above is for the hotel adjacent to the club which according to the girl I went with one time is a really crappy hotel. So on her recommendation we went to the hotel across the street and to the left. It was cheap, I think 20 or 30 reias for that hotel extra. I don't know if she was just trying to gin up business for this other hotel or not, but I had no complaints about this hotel.

Yeah, the saida fee there is wild, never saw such a cheap place with such a high saida.

[JohnJones22]

Does anyone know how to get in touch with high end models in SP (not via instagram)? Not sure how it works in Brazil but in Colombia there's these guys that have these 'catalogues' of models and you organize everything through them, it's basically like an escort agency for higher end models. Might be a little more expensive but at least you get that grade A quality. Is it similar in Brazil or do you have to go after every girl individually?

[Jorge Rad10]

Does anyone know how to get in touch with high end models in SP (not via instagram)? Not sure how it works in Brazil but in Colombia there's these guys that have these 'catalogues' of models and you organize everything through them, it's basically like an escort agency for higher end models. Might be a little more expensive but at least you get that grade A quality. Is it similar in Brazil or do you have to go after every girl individually?Well, there are many, I know few of them. The list content has girls type model, which means, slim girls, beautiful faces. Some of them were cover girls in some magazines. I would say the service is the same as you pay for a normal escort in SP. Of course, if you are into that group, they assume you are able to pay high amount of money. PM if you need more information, but I found out that you will need to buy a subscription within this forum in order to send and receive messages.

Cheers.

[Jorge Rad10]

Well, I haven't been very active in this section of the Forum, mainly because I'm more attract to Russia and its beautiful girls (you could read my post about Russian in other section), but this year I wanted to bet for SP, although I like more Rio de Janeiro, but I said to myself, let's give SP a try. After the world cup, I got a week off, so I booked a trip to SP just for a change. When I arrived to SP, I felt the winter was taking the whole city, even myself I felt cold, which was a surprise. Since I had contact with some girls from some Night clubs, I scheduled them and started my business. I have only good words for the girls from Brazil, they now how to take care of you. My expectations were fulfilled in that trip and I was quite happy to close that chapter. The very last day of my trip I met another girl from the night club named "Connection" which is located far from Av. Paulista. Good looking girl and very easy to talk (I'm fluent in Portuguese), then I needed to postpone to close this chapter and wait for the opportunity to travel again to SP.

My last trip to SP was last week, although I wanted to spend some time with the girls I already met, I had time to meet another young from Rio which is not a escort but she does escorting once in a while. Again, I think SP has better option of girls than RJ and many cities in Europe, but that's my opinion.

Enjoy the city and I'll be back next year, hoping to close the SP's chapter.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

I don't know if you've made your hotel plans but for some reason yesterday and this morning planes have been flying overhead here at Moema Priviledge every few minutes.

[Torgoch]

Back in Sao paulo for a week of work and relaxation. So far, I've just revisited some old haunts (Brooklin and Cancioneiro) but plan to visit some less well-frequented places (at least by Gringos) in Zona leste this coming week.

1) Brooklin.

In the past this was my favourite haunt with plenty of busty babes (Rafaella, sadly retired; Nani, now at Maytrella; Fernanda loira, now at Cancioneiro) but now it tends to disappoint me. They had a big turnover of girls a while back, almost complete replacement, and the girls I have kept in contact with haven't said why. If you are interested, many of these girls (Camilla, Kelly, Adriana, Fiorella, Fernanda morena) are now over the road at Kin Center. I checked out Brooklin on Friday but nothing took my fancy. I know that tastes vary and so Brooklin is always worth checking out as they have a big line up. For me, sadly, I may pay this place less attention in future unless the line up improves. I will try over the road at Kin next week.

2) Cancioneiro.

This clinica is close to Brooklin and Kin but on the other side of Roque Petroni Junior. It is about 15 minutes walk from Shopping Morumbi and you walk along the main road (Roque Petroni) past the Rivellino sports Centre and South's Place Churrascaria until you come to the lights with the sex shop on the corner (turn right here up Rua Cancioneiro Popular and then second left onto Joaquin Guarani for Brooklin / Kin). Cross over the main road here and walk up Rua Santo Arcadio and take the second left onto Rua Cancioneiro Novo. The clinica is number 88, there is a big 88 sign outside. This is a quiet residential district. I don't recall anybody reporting from here before and I can see why, the quality of the house is not great. My only reason for coming here is to see Fernanda Loira who is one of my favourites. Big bunda, big boobs, big smile. Very pretty. She has put on a couple of pounds but great sex. Cost is 200 reais for an hour. Ask for a room with a proper mattress for comfort.

3) Plans.

Gp guia has mentioned a new place in Tatuape (Kellys) that I will try out next week, along with Espaco morengo which is nearby. I will try to get to see Nani at maytrella if I can. I last saw her in Spain (not for sex) and she has slimmed down and lost a few pounds. I hope that hasn't translated into any reduction in boob size. I will also try to make it over to Tangara as that is getting a lot of good reviews at the moment.

[Ksa Sing]

Long time reader. First post. I'm flying off from Singapore to São Paulo in one hour. Too bad to hear about Brooklin since I'm staying around the corner at Blue Tree. I'll check it out anyway and report. I haven't heard of Kim before. I'll check it out also. I'll be spending a few days in SP and looking forward to it. Any other less popular places around shopping Morumbi?


Back in Sao paulo for a week of work and relaxation. So far, I've just revisited some old haunts (Brooklin and Cancioneiro) but plan to visit some less well-frequented places (at least by Gringos) in Zona leste this coming week.

1) Brooklin.

In the past this was my favourite haunt with plenty of busty babes (Rafaella, sadly retired; Nani, now at Maytrella; Fernanda loira, now at Cancioneiro) but now it tends to disappoint me. They had a big turnover of girls a while back, almost complete replacement, and the girls I have kept in contact with haven't said why. If you are interested, many of these girls (Camilla, Kelly, Adriana, Fiorella, Fernanda morena) are now over the road at Kin Center. I checked out Brooklin on Friday but nothing took my fancy. I know that tastes vary and so Brooklin is always worth checking out as they have a big line up. For me, sadly, I may pay this place less attention in future unless the line up improves..

[Member #4732]

Long time reader. First post. I'm flying off from Singapore to So Paulo in one hour. Too bad to hear about Brooklin since I'm staying around the corner at Blue Tree. I'll check it out anyway and report. I haven't heard of Kim before. I'll check it out also. I'll be spending a few days in SP and looking forward to it. Any other less popular places around shopping Morumbi?It's Clinica Kin, not Kim, its super close to Brooklin. There is also Cancioneiro (see report below). And Espaco Morumbi. But you should venture beyond Brooklin too. Don't sweat the reports about lineups, everyone's taste is different, and the girls are going to vary day to day a bit and particularly on weekends. You will have fun.

[Torgoch]

Long time reader. First post. I'm flying off from Singapore to So Paulo in one hour. Too bad to hear about Brooklin since I'm staying around the corner at Blue Tree. I'll check it out anyway and report. I haven't heard of Kim before. I'll check it out also. I'll be spending a few days in SP and looking forward to it. Any other less popular places around shopping Morumbi?I would try it out. Everybody has their own preferences. You may think its great! It has a big line up and I didn't see all the girls, but the ones I did see weren't my type. I have been disappointed the last few years when I've gone, but I am comparing it to my first experience when I was in Sampa for 6 months and I really liked the lineup then and had a hell of a time.

Clinica Kin is on a side street of Joaquin Guarani close to Clinica Brooklin, the address is Travessa Libera Rivelino, 210. There is normally a guy sat on a chair or standing at the top of the side street and you will see a big sign with 210 on it. It has been getting a lot more reviews on gpguia recently.

The other two clinicas near Brooklin that I know of are Cancioneiro (see last post. I would recommend Fernanda) and Espaco Morumbi at Rua Chafic Maluf 101. This is very close to Shopping Morumbi but I've never been to it. Looking on the map Chafik maluf is very close to the Blue Tree Hotel on the other side of the main road.

If you want reasonably priced barbecue than South's Place is near your hotel. It's not top of the range churrasco but I ate as much as I could for an hour and with two sodas it came to 85 reais.

I look forward to your posts and your experiences at these places.

[Frankfurt]

Resurrecting the SP metro discussion as I am looking for a metro pass that's targeted for tourists or short term visitors. Unfortunately after bouncing website to website including SPTrans official site http://bilheteunico.sptrans.com.br/ I have not been able to find any concrete info either if such a weekly / tourist pass exists, where to buy it and how to add value etc. Some website refer to Anonimo card but some news article say that it is recently discontinued due to system-wide fraud -which means the only option to get 'Bilhete Unico' is to register officially with SPTrans and provide, photo, some equivalent of Tax ID (forgot the acronym). So for a non resident tourist that's a non starter.

So my question to gents familiar with the SP metro ticketing system:

1. Is there an option besides buying a paper ticket each time I want to travel on metro. I will be staying close to Moema metro Line 5 (lilac color) and hope to fully utilize the metro system as I hate taxis and traffic jams (who doesn't?

2. If buying a single ticket is the only option: Are the tickets timed I. E. Valid only for certain duration of time from the time of purchase? For example can I buy 10-15 tickets in bulk to use over next few days?

3. Do the single ticket vending machines have English language option?

Thanks for the help in advance.

Frankfurt.


FYI, there were recent discussions about where to stay in SP. Moema, vs Jardins vs Centro etc. One of the issues cited was access to the metro subway system which is a valuable alternative taxi / uber particularly during rush hour when traffic comes to a standstill.

After years of delay, the final stations of Linha 5 Lilas are set to open any day now. These final stations Santa Cruz and Chacara Klabin will complete the integration of Linha Lilas into the larger system thereby making transport to and from Moema via metro easy and complete. I have ridden the new trains from Moema to Brooklin and they are very nice, one of the positive aspects of years of delay is that you get the most modern line.

[Member #4732]

Resurrecting the SP metro discussion as I am looking for a metro pass that's targeted for tourists or short term visitors. Unfortunately after bouncing website to website including SPTrans official site http://bilheteunico.sptrans.com.br/ I have not been able to find any concrete info either if such a weekly / tourist pass exists, where to buy it and how to add value etc. Some website refer to Anonimo card but some news article say that it is recently discontinued due to system-wide fraud -which means the only option to get 'Bilhete Unico' is to register officially with SPTrans and provide, photo, some equivalent of Tax ID (forgot the acronym). So for a non resident tourist that's a non starter.

So my question to gents familiar with the SP metro ticketing system:.Someone else may know the full story on metro cards. I just googled and found this article, maybe it will help.

http://checkinsaopaulo.com/en/saiba-como-adquirir-e-utilizar-os-bilhetes-do-metro-transporte-publico-de-sao-paulo/

In my personal experience, I have just bought a bunch of single trip paper tickets, they fold accordion like and I stick them in backpack and I'm cool. In Rio I had bought the plastic rechargeable card which was even more convenient. Sao Paulo has a similar thing call bilhete unico and cartao fidelidade (see article) but I have yet to buy one because I am always in a rush when I go to the metro and you have to purchase them at specific locations instead of just the regular ticket window. And I never find myself near one of the locations that sell them.

Paper tickets are not timed. I have used tickets that I purchased months before.

I don't know about language options on the machines. I only ever bought the paper tickets from the window when there was no line. Just learn the words for 10, 16, 20. However you want to purchase and be ready with the money.

[DoMat]

Went to Brooklin and kin today and each had maybe 1 payable girl. Pretty darn weak.

[Frankfurt]

Thanks Rovnak-very useful information indeed -thank you. Another gentleman sent me PM with very good info on transportation options so I think I have enough to go on. Appreciate all the help you gentlemen have provided to this first time Brazil traveler!

Frankfurt.


Someone else may know the full story on metro cards. I just googled and found this article, maybe it will help.

http://checkinsaopaulo.com/en/saiba-como-adquirir-e-utilizar-os-bilhetes-do-metro-transporte-publico-de-sao-paulo/

In my personal experience, I have just bought a bunch of single trip paper tickets, they fold accordion like and I stick them in backpack and I'm cool. In Rio I had bought the plastic rechargeable card which was even more convenient. Sao Paulo has a similar thing call bilhete unico and cartao fidelidade (see article) but I have yet to buy one because I am always in a rush when I go to the metro and you have to purchase them at specific locations instead of just the regular ticket window. And I never find myself near one of the locations that sell them..

[Kcrl02]

Resurrecting the SP metro discussion as I am looking for a metro pass that's targeted for tourists or short term visitors. Unfortunately after bouncing website to website including SPTrans official site http://bilheteunico.sptrans.com.br/ I have not been able to find any concrete info either if such a weekly / tourist pass exists, where to buy it and how to add value etc. Some website refer to Anonimo card but some news article say that it is recently discontinued due to system-wide fraud -which means the only option to get 'Bilhete Unico' is to register officially with SPTrans and provide, photo, some equivalent of Tax ID (forgot the acronym). So for a non resident tourist that's a non starter.

So my question to gents familiar with the SP metro ticketing system:

1. Is there an option besides buying a paper ticket each time I want to travel on metro. I will be staying close to Moema metro Line 5 (lilac color) and hope to fully utilize the metro system as I hate taxis and traffic jams (who doesn't?Go to the Faria Lima Station and buy the Bilhete Unico. You can put as much money on it as you want. Note that if you're using the paper tickets the CPTM uses a different type of paper ticket and you'll end up buying different tickets for different Metro systems.

[Member #4732]

Go to the Faria Lima Station and buy the Bilhete Unico. You can put as much money on it as you want. Note that if you're using the paper tickets the CPTM uses a different type of paper ticket and you'll end up buying different tickets for different Metro systems.I am sure you are correct about transfers but I have used the metro to go from Moema to Morumbi, Vila Mariana, Brooklin, Tatuape, Moooca, Itaquera, Santana, Barra Funda, Republica etc and I never had to buy an extra ticket. I guess I never crossed over onto a CPTM train. I am not disputing that there are people who make such transfers all the time but I wonder if a visiting monger will actually do so given the locus of travel. I guess it depends on his itinerary. All things being equal I suspect the bilhete unica is worth it if he will be using the metro extensively. My usage is sporadic.

[Nordico]

I don't know about language options on the machines. I only ever bought the paper tickets from the window when there was no line. Just learn the words for 10, 16, 20. However you want to purchase and be ready with the money.Portuguese, English, Spanish.

[Torgoch]

Yesterday I travelled on the metro over to Zona Leste to try out a new clinica in Tatuape called Kelly's Massagens. It appeared on Gpguia in mid-October and has been getting good reviews.

How to get there.

I travelled by metro to the Carrao station on the Linha Vermelha (Red line 3). Once you go through the exit barrier at the station, turn left and walk along the walkway over the main road. At the end of the walkway you can descend by either taking the stairs (signposted Platform D) or walking down the ramp. Either route will bring you down into the bus station. Walk through the bus station. There are lots of quiosques selling food snacks and it it a good place to get a cheap meal if hungry. Everything is labelled with the price and the prices all seem the same (I had a cheese / ham sandwich and pao de quijo for 4 reais in total). Once past the bus station, turn right onto Rua Monte Serrat and then at the next junction (Rua Platina), cross over the road and walk 3 blocks until you come to Rua Francisco Marengo. On Marengo turn right and keep walking down. You will pass Espaco Marengo at 210 Rua Francisco Marengo which is worth checking out. It is about a 10 minute walk to reach Rua Euclides Pacheco. As a pointer that you are near, Rua Euclides Pacheco is two blocks after Rua Cantagalo. Turn left onto Rua Euclides Pacheco and Kelly's is number 1932.

The Casa.

Walk through the gate and up the stairs on the left and enter the house. The cliniica is OK. It doesn't have the fancy, well decorated interior that some clinicas have (but you're not there for the decor, right? Kelly was super friendly and super talkative. I arrived at 1. 00 and although it opens at 12.00, I was the only client there. The room was ok, functional with shower and bed. No mouthwash facilities so bring your own. The door wasn't locked, my girl put a chair across it to keep it closed!

The girls.

Only one girl was there for the presentation when I arrived but luckily it was the girl I was after from my reading on gpguia, Vivi. Her reviews on gpguia are really positive. 26 years old. Big natural tits with large nipples. Nice big Brazilian butt. Super friendly. Not a stunner, more the girl next door type, but the girl next door with big tits and ass!! Only been in the game a couple of months. Didn't time waste, we had a short shower together. The sex was great. She particularly enjoys de quatro (doggy) which is great as you get a great view of her ass and the feel of it whilst banging. Whilst I was waiting for Vivi to get ready before we started, Kelly showed me photographs of the other girls. Some of them looked pretty good. I has also thought about Karina from the gpguia reviews and she looked good in her photos, pretty face and big butt.

The cost.

Gp guia says 160 reais for 1 hour. I gave her 200 reais, four 50 bills, and she gave me one back so I paid 150. They have a mileage scheme where after 5 sessions the sixth is free. They have no phone system to ring when the hour is up and nobody knocked on the door. I sad I wanted an hour but think I had an hour and 15 or 20 by the time we finished but I wasn't charged extra. If truth be told I only stopped as thought I might get charged extra but I wasn't and the house seems pretty relaxed and friendly.

In summary I would say it was worth a trip over. Make an afternoon of it by visiting all the Clinicas. There are three clinicas, Kellys, Espaco Marengo and Clinica Tatuape, close to the metro and within 10-15 minutes walking distance of the Metro. Both Kelly and Marengo are off the 'gringo track' and are cheaper (Marengo is 150 and hour). I went to Clinica Tatuape (Ruua Villela 1111) in 2015 but didn't session and haven't made a return visit since, There is also Clinica Allure that I also visited in 2015 but it is a longer walk to get to and, for me on the day, turned out to be not worth the effort.

I would recommend that you scope out Kellys, Espaco marengo and Clinica Tatuape that are all located close to metro Carrao.

[Member #4732]

Yesterday I travelled on the metro over to Zona Leste to try out a new clinica in Tatuape called Kelly's Massagens. It appeared on Gpguia in mid-October and has been getting good reviews.

How to get there.

I travelled by metro to the Carrao station on the Linha Vermelha (Red line 3). Once you go through the exit barrier at the station, turn left and walk along the walkway over the main road. At the end of the walkway you can descend by either taking the stairs (signposted Platform D) or walking down the ramp. Either route will bring you down into the bus station. Walk through the bus station. There are lots of quiosques selling food snacks and it it a good place to get a cheap meal if hungry. Everything is labelled with the price and the prices all seem the same (I had a cheese / ham sandwich and pao de quijo for 4 reais in total). Once past the bus station, turn right onto Rua Monte Serrat and then at the next junction (Rua Platina), cross over the road and walk 3 blocks until you come to Rua Francisco Marengo. On Marengo turn right and keep walking down. You will pass Espaco Marengo at 210 Rua Francisco Marengo which is worth checking out. It is about a 10 minute walk to reach Rua Euclides Pacheco. As a pointer that you are near, Rua Euclides Pacheco is two blocks after Rua Cantagalo. Turn left onto Rua Euclides Pacheco and Kelly's is number 1932..Good report. There are some others not too far from the same metro, short uber ride from there is Clinica Analia Franco which is also well reviewed.

[Frankfurt]

Picture is worth a thousand words, thanks Nordico!

Rovnak you are correct -my itinerary is simple, will be staying close to Moema metro and plan to use metro lines to make trips to (1) clinicas in vicinity of metro stations (2) main touristy sites -that's pretty much it.

Thanks for the help.

Frankfurt.


Portuguese, English, Spanish.

[DoMat]

I don't understand why you would take the metro when Uber is available and so cheap. If you want you can make Uber even cheaper by taking Juntos choice.

I guess metro makes sense during rush hour but then you are standing in a packed car.

[R The Man]

I don't understand why you would take the metro when Uber is available and so cheap. If you want you can make Uber even cheaper by taking Juntos choice.

I guess metro makes sense during rush hour but then you are standing in a packed car.Totally agree with you. I've been using Uber during my visit and it is very cheap and efficient.

[R The Man]

Glad to be back in SP. Went to Tangara first, about 5 pm, great lineup with choice of about 12 girls, several in my wheelhouse (I like petite, slim, young, natural tits). Finally chose Lucie, a 19-year old slim girl with fabulous natural tits that only teens have. She was a sweetheart, very pretty, with lots of GFE and DFK, good tease and foreplay, delicious DATY, excellent BBBJ, and then several CFS positions. She was nice and tight. I usually like a CIM finish, but she was so tight that I easily finished in mish with her legs wrapped around me. She didn't speak any English, but we did fine with Google Translate. Wonderful value for only 150 for the hour. I gave her a nice tip, too, and she encouraged me to see her again.

Next up is my visit to Casarao.

[Member #4732]

Totally agree with you. I've been using Uber during my visit and it is very cheap and efficient.I use the metro sporadically now that is comes to Moema. I use it if I am out during rush hour. For example, I may uber to a place at 3 pm but take the metro back at 5 pm. Or if I am going on a longer journey, for example from Moema to Tatuape, or Pompeia, or Santana. So it all depends on the time and distance. I certainly wouldn't take it over Uber for a short trip during non peak hours.

[Steve 9696]

This is a companion piece for my FKK buddies that collects my wisdom from my visit to SP. My best tips for success in SP. Hopefully it is useful to them and others.

Get Cash Early.

As people have said, use cash when you can. But here is the rub. Unlike other civilized countries, the hotels don't all have cash machines and the bank ones are locked up at 10 PM. So if you get horny at 11 PM, you are going to be using credit. Get your cash during the day so you are ready at night. Oh and beware not all the love motels take American plastic. Almost got stuck at one (u pay at the end) until we scrounged a few bills. Whew.

Brasileira Bunda.

The Brasileira bunda (butt) is an amazing thing. Never seen anything like it and it's a real draw. Tiny waist but nice really round butt. It's amazing because it is large but not fat. Firm but not hard like you get in the gym. It is a sort of magical creation. I have never seen it outside of Brazil. And even though I am an avowed tit man, I became a fan.

Uber Rules.

Take Uber everywhere. It is so cheap you don't even need to budget for it. Like I literally drove across town in Caxias do Sul and it was $3.

Boates (pronounced Bow-ah-chay).

The boates don't get rolling till late. If you go at 11 you will be early. I am not kidding. If you are still there at 3 you will have plenty of company.

Do Your Research if Going Online.

Finding gems is not a fluke. You have to dig deeper than a pretty face. Google their phone number. Stalk their Twitter. Go on gpguia.com and read their reviews. Mary Ninfeta has 40+ glowing reviews. My gem is no accident.

Learn basic Portuguese.

This totally changes the vibe. They are so impressed that you bothered they already like you better. And it really helps make it all less awkward. You can learn enough to be dangerous in 10-15 hours of content. So say a month at a half hour a day. Do it on your commute. It is an investment worth making.

Awkward Hotel Registration for Outcall.

If you bring her back to your hotel you are going to have to register her. There could be a small fee. The big thing is you have to be there with her signing her in. Can prove awkward for day meetings and trying to time so colleagues are not there.

Love Motels Rule!

Love motels are great and cheap. Maybe $20-25 for the time you need. Plus they have mirrors everywhere which is a bonus. There are plenty in Sao Paulo near the venues and there is one near Boate Ilha in Caxias do Sul. But its a 20 minute drive to one in Campinas.

Tattoos are Standard.

Virtually all the working girls have tattoos, even the innocent looking ones. You may not see them -- because they choose their clothes strategically. For example I now realize Duda's thigh high boots were to cover a large evil skull on her thigh. And she is actually tattedup nearly head to toe. Fortunately I thought the skull and all the rest rather badass. Eduarda, my Moustache girl had a pretty serious backplate. So just be prepared.

Brasilerias are Best!

Brasileiras are different and in a good way. They are more affectionate and fun than most escorts and they really aren't acting. They seem for the most part to enjoy the scene and your time together as much as you do. Of course YMMV but on balance very good souls.

Have fun fellas! And tell us all the gory details!

[Steve 9696]

I was talking with my FKK buddies over in that forum and extolling the virtues of Brazil. For those that are interested, I said I'd explain the Brazil scene in the SP forum. So here I am. I can't profess to know everything and I am inclined to the high end of the market, so, PLEASE chime in here with your collective knowledge and let's help the FKK fellas see what they are missing.

First I should mention that the primary club venues of Rio and SP are completely different. Rio is famous for its Termas (Sauna), which is the closest equivalent to an FKK. Has sort of the lounge around in a robe and drink whiskey vibe while picking out nice girls to fuck. I have not actually experienced this, so go to the Rio thread or someone else chime in, but Monte Carlo and Solarium looked appealing in this regard to me.

São Paulo is all about the Boate (bow-ah-chay) for a high end experience. Think of a deluxe nightclub, but where every chick wants to fuck you for money. You remember when you were first in your twenties and went to a nightclub and there were hot chicks there, but you had no game and couldn't figure out how to bed one? (Maybe that was only me). Same atmosphere here, but the only game you need is "Hi, my name is Steve" and a nice bankroll and any girl can be yours. Most all the clubs have rooms on site you rent. Some, like Sandallo, even serve you drinks while you are fucking (through a little revolving door). How sweet is that?

Top Boates in SP include Scandallo and BomBoa (Cafe Photo?) at the high end and Casarao is one notch down, but some real gems working there too. In Campinas (60 miles NW) there is Fazendinha out in the country -- holds pools parties and such also so might have some FKK like aspect, but I was only there at night. And Moustache is a tiny place in town, but the girls were hot.

During the day, there is a whole nuther thing going on with the Clinicas. Here, you go and have a beer in a waiting area, and they bring the girls in a parade one by one to choose from (like Brothels in Spain). The facilities can vary from quite dingy to quite nice. And the girls vary ALOT between Clinicas and even time of day. This was not really my thing, but I did have some quality sex and BBBJ with a pretty girl with a smokin body for $30. So there is high value here. Others are real fans of this scene and should please chime in.

Then of course there is a much seedier scene and even lower prices. However I think even more buyer beware and safety issues than RLD.

Hope this is helpful to my FKK buddies and maybe other SP noobs. See also the companion thread on tips and tricks. Have fun!

[LikeGirls]

Glad to be back in SP. Went to Tangara first, about 5 pm, great lineup with choice of about 12 girls, several in my wheelhouse (I like petite, slim, young, natural tits). Finally chose Lucie, a 19-year old slim girl with fabulous natural tits that only teens have. She was a sweetheart, very pretty, with lots of GFE and DFK, good tease and foreplay, delicious DATY, excellent BBBJ, and then several CFS positions. She was nice and tight. I usually like a CIM finish, but she was so tight that I easily finished in mish with her legs wrapped around me. She didn't speak any English, but we did fine with Google Translate. Wonderful value for only 150 for the hour. I gave her a nice tip, too, and she encouraged me to see her again.

Next up is my visit to Casarao.I can only agree. Was in Tangara last week while in SP. Very nice lineup and had Lucy 3 x. The managers are particularly polite. When lucy was late on my third time with her, they called her and paid her cab to speed things up. For me, Tangara is the best bet in town. And I say this after trying many clinicas in SP.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

I can only agree. Was in Tangara last week while in SP. Very nice lineup and had Lucy 3 x. The managers are particularly polite. When lucy was late on my third time with her, they called her and paid her cab to speed things up. For me, Tangara is the best bet in town. And I say this after trying many clinicas in SP.Yes, the managers are very nice. However, I have been there three times in the last two weeks and have yet to session with anyone. There were maybe one or two I could have done, but the fuck factory atmosphere with lots of guys waiting in a queue to be the next guy to fuck a girl is a real turnoff.

Did a tour of less commented on clinicas (sometimes with other ISG members):

1) Redway was nothing special, did no one;

2) Nova Pan had 4 girls (one was busy) on Thursday (holiday), normally 6 girls there, Real 100/30 minutes, are $140/60 minutes. One fairly cute slim mulatta;

3) Clinica Nara had 6 girls on Thursday, normally 9, but no one I wanted to fuck, Real 180 for posters on gpguia.net;

4) Moema Prime had one girl I liked but she was gone the next time I went. Lineup probably comparable to Clinica Miruna, if a little smaller;

5) Chanes 57,5 girls available on Thursday, none interesting, two of whom didn't even give their names during the presentation;

6) Clinica Kin Center, 5 girls on a Saurday, nobody worthwhile;

7) Cancionero, 5 girls on a Saturday, none worthwhile;

8) Abbobora, 5 girls in the presentation, two of whom just waved at us, no way worth Real 260/60 minutes.

So far I have had the best luck at Nova Ceci, Miruna, Enjoy, and Espacio Morumbi.

[Lefeu]

I was talking with my FKK buddies over in that forum and extolling the virtues of Brazil. For those that are interested, I said I'd explain the Brazil scene in the SP forum. So here I am. I can't profess to know everything and I am inclined to the high end of the market, so, PLEASE chime in here with your collective knowledge and let's help the FKK fellas see what they are missing...A nice summary, comparing the FKKs to clubs in Brazil.

I have been going to FKKs since 2006, and managed to log 15+ trips, mostly around Frankfurt. I have also been to Rio close to 10 times, and to SP only once so far. If someone asked me the same question, I would advise them to visit all 3 venues, and then discuss the pros / cons of each venue. I think it depends on the personality of the monger, and how much Portuguese (or Spanish) they know. English is sufficient at the FKKs, not the case in Brazil. Hence, language ability can make a big difference in the enjoyment of a session, IMO.

[Lefeu]

This is a companion piece for my FKK buddies that collects my wisdom from my visit to SP. My best tips for success in SP. Hopefully it is useful to them and others.
...Get Cash Early.
...Learn basic Portuguese.
...Brasilerias are Best!
Brasileiras are different and in a good way. They are more affectionate and fun than most escorts and they really aren't acting. They seem for the most part to enjoy the scene and your time together as much as you do. Of course YMMV but on balance very good souls...Nice summary! Thanks for putting this together, very useful to newbies. The Get cash early advice got my attention as well. The last time I was in Cafe Photo, I ended up using my ATM card, as I did not have enough cash for the ladies. I also agree with the need to pick up Portuguese. Luckily for me, I find it fun learning a new language, and I speak a couple of them.

Yeah, I agree Brasileiras are the best. They insist on having as much fun as their customer. I love that attitude!

[Jim00]

So Paulo is all about the Boate (bow-ah-chay) for a high end experience. Think of a deluxe nightclub, but where every chick wants to fuck you for money. You remember when you were first in your twenties and went to a nightclub and there were hot chicks there, but you had no game and couldn't figure out how to bed one? (Maybe that was only me). Same atmosphere here, but the only game you need is "Hi, my name is Steve" and a nice bankroll and any girl can be yours. Most all the clubs have rooms on site you rent. Some, like Sandallo, even serve you drinks while you are fucking (through a little revolving door). How sweet is that?.First, Steve, thank you for this excellent post.

Second, how old is the "average" monger in SP? I know is common to see men in their 50's in an FKK. Will they have a hard time finding a WG in SP? SP sounds more appealing because of the GFE aspect, but I can't compete against mongers in their 30's.

Other than learning some of the language, is there anything else you can recommend for an older monger?

As a new monger, I'm trying to decide between FKK Sharks or SP.

[Jorge Rad10]

Brasilerias are Best!

Brasileiras are different and in a good way. They are more affectionate and fun than most escorts and they really aren't acting. They seem for the most part to enjoy the scene and your time together as much as you do. Of course YMMV but on balance very good souls.

Have fun fellas! And tell us all the gory details!I agreed with Steve, regarding the escorting in Brazil (acompanhantes in Portuguese), the escorts are fun to be with and enjoy the time they are with you, quite different when you experienced escorts from Europe (Russia is the same as in Brazil), which are treating you as customer who just needs to come. I have been in Scandallo and Connection, both places belong to the same owner but girls are not switching from one to other. Scandallo is more expensive and girls are also better, but you could also find some quality in Connection for less price.

I'm not very big fan of clinicas, but once in a while I go for a massage with a private masseur. As Steve pointed out English is not wide spread in SP or RJ, so do your task to learn some basic languages words. I'm fluent in Portuguese, which gave me big advantage with the escorts because as Mandela said "If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart".

Looking forward to be back to SP even though this brazilian singer sang "there is no love in SP".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f35HluEYpDs

[Eszpresszo]

First, Steve, thank you for this excellent post.

Second, how old is the "average" monger in SP? I know is common to see men in their 50's in an FKK. Will they have a hard time finding a WG in SP? SP sounds more appealing because of the GFE aspect, but I can't compete against mongers in their 30's.

Other than learning some of the language, is there anything else you can recommend for an older monger?

As a new monger, I'm trying to decide between FKK Sharks or SP.That's quite an extreme difference in Geographical location. And different women. Some guys can only handle European, white girls, and other guys like myself like them caramel coated.

But as far as language goes, its not an issue in Germany. When I lived there back in 1980, it was difficult to learn German because the Germans were so fluent in English. They'd get tired of listening to you attempt German and just start talking to you in English. I had to assert myself to learn the language (which I sadly forgot in the past decade or two). Now I'm trying to learn Portuguese for a trip to Brazil next year. This is one reason Germany is popular with Anglophones. Its also ultra modern, has a good infrastructure as well as being expensive in most aspects with boring, bland cuisine. But, its a safe country and a good entry level destination. All you need is cash. And if you plan to do a lot of mongering, you will need a lot of it.

How would you imagine you would be competing with younger mongers? I just turned 61 and believe me, my age is the last thing I care about. There is no competition in mongering. That would be like competing with younger diners for the attention of a waitress in a restaurant. Except that mongers are usually vastly outnumbers by working girls in most situations. Working girls are competing for mongers, as you will soon find. They are hunting for you, not the other way around. In some places of the Dominican Republic, they can swarm you and solicit you rather aggressively (see my Trip Reports in the Boca Chica forum back in February 2017). Some working girls prefer older mongers because they are presumed to have less stamina and will finish quicker (that's not to say we won't make them work hard for that money).

If you have no experience in Latin America, it is not the ideal, entry level destination for someone who feeling confident as a monger (unless you have a wingman to show you around). I admit I had no experience in South America when I did my first ever, dedicated mongering trip to Medellin. But, I'd had some P4P experiences in the US and Germany previously and I was feeling ready for anything after that. If you are going solo, you might consider Thailand or the Philippines, where they make it real easy for you. While I would not want you to over think your mongering debut, I do think you should RETHINK this a bit. When you narrow it between a particular FKK in a particular city in Europe and no particular place in a particular city in South America, you have pretty much excluded 99% of the mongering options. There might be a better place for you to get your feet wet and not have as many details to worry about. Just a thought.

[Jim00]

That's quite an extreme difference in Geographical location. And different women. Some guys can only handle European, white girls, and other guys like myself like them caramel coated.

If you have no experience in Latin America, it is not the ideal, entry level destination for someone who feeling confident as a monger (unless you have a wingman to show you around). I admit I had no experience in South America when I did my first ever, dedicated mongering trip to Medellin. But, I'd had some P4P experiences in the US and Germany previously and I was feeling ready for anything after that. If you are going solo, you might consider Thailand or the Philippines, where they make it real easy for you. While I would not want you to over think your mongering debut, I do think you should RETHINK this a bit. When you narrow it between a particular FKK in a particular city in Europe and no particular place in a particular city in South America, you have pretty much excluded 99% of the mongering options. There might be a better place for you to get your feet wet and not have as many details to worry about. Just a thought.For me, the caramel coat is something I'm used to in the US.

For SP, I've found this site and it appears to be very informative: https://the-w-h-o-r-e-monger.com/sao-paulo-brazil-prives-prostitutes-brothels-sex-clubs/ (remove dashes).

I, certainly, don't want to jump off a cliff; however, this site makes it seem like you can do clinics to find WGs to connect with later. And, the club scene reminds me of strip clubs with VIP rooms.

Honestly though, I have no way of knowing if link above is even remotely correct. If someone who has mongered in SP can confirm it's veracity, I would greatly appreciate it. I won't book a trip until January so I haven't committed to anything. Thanks for posting!

[Steve 9696]

First, Steve, thank you for this excellent post.

Second, how old is the "average" monger in SP? I know is common to see men in their 50's in an FKK. Will they have a hard time finding a WG in SP? SP sounds more appealing because of the GFE aspect, but I can't compete against mongers in their 30's.

Other than learning some of the language, is there anything else you can recommend for an older monger?

As a new monger, I'm trying to decide between FKK Sharks or SP.I have no idea what the average age is, but I am mid-fifties and the girls I was with were all early or mid twenties. Without exception they seemed THRILLED to go with me. I am reasonably trim and have most of my hair but honestly I am pretty sure that doesn't matter. I have to say Brasileiras seem to look past age much easier than others from what I can see.

Can't say that my experience with Thifany is typical (she is the one I flew to London for a week after knowing her for a total of five hours) but she is 23 (had her birthday dinner in London!) and said she prefers older men. She said her last boyfriend was also in his fifties and that younger men are more rough and demanding. FWIW.

But in summary, you need no game. Only cash and a willingness to engage.

That said, the FKK is EASIER if you are new to this most of the girls speak some English and the rooms are right onsite. If you do Brazil and have the coin, then do Scandallo similar to FKK on the 'ease of use' front.

Ps if u do go FKK, Sharks is a great choice. And I would recommend FKK over Thailand for sure.

[HarvestBoi]

Try using an active phone number you find on the internet. Perhaps a hotel. You don't even need to be staying there. Back in the day when they required a Brazilian social security type number, I just hijacked one I found on the internet.Thanks for the help. I entered several numbers without luck as it said that the only acceptable number was 0. I kept thinking this was a mistake in my google translate but when I entered 0 I was in. And finally the bot question about something flying would only take 'aviao' as an answer. With the tilde over the a.

I welcome any tips about how to use the site. I'm a little surprised that the high end escorts off sites like clubmodel don't have more reviews. (E. G. Guilia gaugher). My plan, for the first few days, is to stay at a hotel (Hilton, Hyatt or Intercontinental) and I'the prefer to just order in off these sites. I know service levels might be hit or miss (that's why I'the like to see more reviews) but I've been on twitter enough to know that the sites aren't photoshopped beyond reason. The girls look very hot to my taste.

I prefer daytime fun. Will the hotels be a problem, assuming the girls looks reasonably professional and put together, if she just comes to my room? I could tell them on check in that I will have Portuguese tutors coming every day. I could set up an appointment at a love hotel. I can always go to the gp apartment too. I notice the reviews talk about "bureacratism" for going up. I assume this is just showing ID to the doorman.

[Nordico]

I notice the reviews talk about "bureacratism" for going up. I assume this is just showing ID to the doorman.They may photocopy your passport, take a photo of you, call the girl and if OK they send you up or the girl has to come down to pick you up.

[Member #4732]

I welcome any tips about how to use the site. I'm a little surprised that the high end escorts off sites like clubmodel don't have more reviews. (E. G. Guilia gaugher). My plan, for the first few days, is to stay at a hotel (Hilton, Hyatt or Intercontinental) and I'the prefer to just order in off these sites. I know service levels might be hit or miss (that's why I'the like to see more reviews) but I've been on twitter enough to know that the sites aren't photoshopped beyond reason. The girls look very hot to my taste.

I prefer daytime fun. Will the hotels be a problem, assuming the girls looks reasonably professional and put together, if she just comes to my room? I could tell them on check in that I will have Portuguese tutors coming every day. I could set up an appointment at a love hotel. I can always go to the gp apartment too. I notice the reviews talk about "bureacratism" for going up. I assume this is just showing ID to the doorman.Yes, "bureaucracy" can refer to building security "portaria", not to be confused with "putaria". Some places require presentation of ID.

Re gp-guia, its a frustrating mix of great information and terrible implementation. Search by phone number is god awful. Its better to use google to search for a phone # and hen look for gp-guia in result set than use the gp-guia search itself. Its great for clinica GP reviews but shitty for boate reviews. The "acompanhante" free lance reviews are hit and miss. There are far fewer "beware" reviews than I would like, probably because the site now requires consent from providers to allow reviews. A bad provider has no incentive to allow reviews and that may be one reason there are so few, And also many good "new" providers do not even know about gp-guia, it takes a member to apprise them of the side and indicate how they can register. As for the quality of the reviews, it depends on the quality and tastes of the reviewer. Some reviewers are perceptive and others are not. I find my taste is more demanding than a lot of the Brazilian guys so I pretty much rely on reviews to just warn me of bad apples.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks for the help. I entered several numbers without luck as it said that the only acceptable number was 0. I kept thinking this was a mistake in my google translate but when I entered 0 I was in. And finally the bot question about something flying would only take 'aviao' as an answer. With the tilde over the a.

I welcome any tips about how to use the site. I'm a little surprised that the high end escorts off sites like clubmodel don't have more reviews. (E. G. Guilia gaugher). My plan, for the first few days, is to stay at a hotel (Hilton, Hyatt or Intercontinental) and I'the prefer to just order in off these sites. I know service levels might be hit or miss (that's why I'the like to see more reviews) but I've been on twitter enough to know that the sites aren't photoshopped beyond reason. The girls look very hot to my taste.

I prefer daytime fun. Will the hotels be a problem, assuming the girls looks reasonably professional and put together, if she just comes to my room? I could tell them on check in that I will have Portuguese tutors coming every day. I could set up an appointment at a love hotel. I can always go to the gp apartment too. I notice the reviews talk about "bureacratism" for going up. I assume this is just showing ID to the doorman.My experience is you can't just get the girl straight to your room. I had a girl come at 3 or 4 PM and thought I could casually walk with her to the elevator. Was surprised by an excuse me sir. And had to register her at the front desk. They took her ID and made he fill out a form. It was no big deal but happened to me at two different hotels.

No point making up a story. They know exactly what is going on and have a process.

[Kcrl01]

Thanks for the help.

I welcome any tips about how to use the site. I'm a little surprised that the high end escorts off sites like clubmodel don't have more reviews. (E. G. Guilia gaugher). The turnover on clubmodel.com is extremely high. However, you can find the majority of them at Scandallos, also.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

Went there this Sunday because I remembered that they have freelancers on the weekend. There were 38 names on the list of girls present, many of them freelancers. On Sundays (or at least this Sunday), there is also a discount on price: you get an hour session, normally Real 220, for the half hour price, Real 190. Did a dupla at the normal price of Real 320, with two freelancers, Sheila and Jacqueline. Nice session, but lacking the intimacy of a one-on-one session. However, they asked for a tip, the first time any girl has asked for it. Gave them some candy I brought from America (which I give to all the girls I session with who are good) and that seemed to satisfy them.

[HarvestBoi]

The turnover on clubmodel.com is extremely high. However, you can find the majority of them at Scandallos, also.Interesting to know that the girls off those high end sites also work at Scandallos. Hadn't heard that mentioned before. It might also explain why there seems to be no Scandallos thread on gpguia.

[HarvestBoi]

My experience is you can't just get the girl straight to your room. I had a girl come at 3 or 4 PM and thought I could casually walk with her to the elevator. Was surprised by an excuse me sir. And had to register her at the front desk. They took her ID and made he fill out a form. It was no big deal but happened to me at two different hotels.

No point making up a story. They know exactly what is going on and have a process.Do I have to come down? Can the girl just register at the front desk and then come up? Also I don't mind coming down, even meeting them for a drink etc but my lack of Porto makes that a bit awkward. If we could talk in Spanish I'the be perfectly happy to do it.

[Steve 9696]

Do I have to come down? Can the girl just register at the front desk and then come up? Also I don't mind coming down, even meeting them for a drink etc but my lack of Porto makes that a bit awkward. If we could talk in Spanish I'the be perfectly happy to do it.I know many of us from the Purtanical US, including me, find it awkward to talk about such things. But really, it being perfectly legal and common in Brazil, maybe just ask? I really doubt they would be surprised if you called down to the front desk and said you are having a young lady over later and what process do you need to follow.

As I said, when they made her register it was like a well oiled machine where they do this all the time.

[HarvestBoi]

Re gp-guia, its a frustrating mix of great information and terrible implementation. Search by phone number is god awful. Its better to use google to search for a phone # and hen look for gp-guia in result set than use the gp-guia search itself. Its great for clinica GP reviews but shitty for boate reviews. The "acompanhante" free lance reviews are hit and miss. There are far fewer "beware" reviews than I would like, probably because the site now requires consent from providers to allow reviews. A bad provider has no incentive to allow reviews and that may be one reason there are so few, And also many good "new" providers do not even know about gp-guia, it takes a member to apprise them of the side and indicate how they can register. As for the quality of the reviews, it depends on the quality and tastes of the reviewer. Some reviewers are perceptive and others are not. I find my taste is more demanding than a lot of the Brazilian guys so I pretty much rely on reviews to just warn me of bad apples.So the girls have to assent to being reviewed? That would definitely warp the info being provided. Still, be thankful for local boards. Most in the states have shut down since the FOSTA craziness. What about clinica girls? I know from other mongering I'm not likely to find clinicas to my preference but if the reviews are better I might try harder there. None of the clinica web sites seem to list a daily schedule though so it's hard to match a girl to a specific time and place.

[Member #4732]

So the girls have to assent to being reviewed? That would definitely warp the info being provided. Still, be thankful for local boards. Most in the states have shut down since the FOSTA craziness. What about clinica girls? I know from other mongering I'm not likely to find clinicas to my preference but if the reviews are better I might try harder there. None of the clinica web sites seem to list a daily schedule though so it's hard to match a girl to a specific time and place.It hasn't always been this way, there was time when reviews were more comprehensive of all the places and free lancers. But for at least the last year if not more, when a new never before reviewed provider is reviewed, the admin will edit the thread, remove the phone number and post a note saying that the thread is blocked until the provider register and authorize. It's a very inconsistent rule, it seems to only apply to new providers, its quite possible that providers who were already had reviews before the new rule was instituted were grandfathered in, I really don't know. But I do know that new providers must register and send a PM or public post to the attention of the admin. Its a one time authorization, its not an every review authorization.

Its also inconsistent in that this only applies to free lancers. The reviews for the "places" like clinicas and boates do not require any authorization from the provider herself. However, the "place" can request to be omitted from the site. Many of the high end places France Bel, Bomboa, and others have "opted out" and therefore no reviews of those places are present. Those places consider gp-guia to be an exposure risk I suppose. While other places with their gp-guia fidelity programs consider gp-guia to be effectively "free marketing'.