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Don't know what the holiday was this weekend, the place was packed, I had a blast at The House. Took Giselle to Hotel Savoy and pulled an all night GFE / PSE! If Spring Break '77 was a night club it would be Casaro! There was a shift change and the replacement guy forgot to charge me the six hours for the room. Gave him a BRL $20 tip!
HarvestBoi
11-21-18, 06:58
All good information. I assume as a place Scandallos has opted out then.
I have admit I find this reticence strange given how aggressive and explicit the top end GPS twitter advertising is.
It hasn't always been this way, there was time when reviews were more comprehensive of all the places and free lancers. But for at least the last year if not more, when a new never before reviewed provider is reviewed, the admin will edit the thread, remove the phone number and post a note saying that the thread is blocked until the provider register and authorize. It's a very inconsistent rule, it seems to only apply to new providers, its quite possible that providers who were already had reviews before the new rule was instituted were grandfathered in, I really don't know. But I do know that new providers must register and send a PM or public post to the attention of the admin. Its a one time authorization, its not an every review authorization.
Its also inconsistent in that this only applies to free lancers. The reviews for the "places" like clinicas and boates do not require any authorization from the provider herself. However, the "place" can request to be omitted from the site. Many of the high end places France Bel, Bomboa, and others have "opted out" and therefore no reviews of those places are present. Those places consider gp-guia to be an exposure risk I suppose. While other places with their gp-guia fidelity programs consider gp-guia to be effectively "free marketing'..
Member #4732
11-21-18, 14:04
All good information. I assume as a place Scandallos has opted out then.
I have admit I find this reticence strange given how aggressive and explicit the top end GPS twitter advertising is.Both Scandalo and Bomboa were shut down previously for over a year by the city for violations. That is why they do not want exposure.
Also, the boates in general have fallen ut of favor with gpguia mongers compared to the golden age of boates. For a resident and frequent monger the boates are overpriced and underwhelming compared to convenience and price advantage of clinicas and free lancers. For a visitor or very occasional monger, different story. A resident has luxury if time to find value, a visitor has fewer options.
Also reviews of garotas in boates are pretty worthless. At best a boate review will inidacte the overall vibe and number of chicks, IE a review of the entire club. A review of a single garota is not too helpful because the turnover and unpredictability of boate staff is so high. Also finding a garota in a boate based on a review is not easy, and really why bother? If you are in a boate, you rely on your own eyes and you chat, so who needs a review? Clinicas and free lancers, different story as one has to commit without much chit chat.
I know many of us from the Purtanical US, including me, find it awkward to talk about such things. But really, it being perfectly legal and common in Brazil, maybe just ask? I really doubt they would be surprised if you called down to the front desk and said you are having a young lady over later and what process do you need to follow.
As I said, when they made her register it was like a well oiled machine where they do this all the time.It goes without saying that dealing with Brazilian front desk clerks who are male is the smoothest thing. No problems. Once in awhile, you might deal with a middle age woman with a crappy attitude towards working girls.
So I like to figure out who is working what shifts and speak to the men directly about the process.
Also reviews of garotas in boates are pretty worthless. At best a boate review will inidacte the overall vibe and number of chicks, IE a review of the entire club. A review of a single garota is not too helpful because the turnover and unpredictability of boate staff is so high. Also finding a garota in a boate based on a review is not easy, and really why bother? If you are in a boate, you rely on your own eyes and you chat, so who needs a review? Clinicas and free lancers, different story as one has to commit without much chit chat.Very good info for a newbie. Thanks for posting this.
More Giselle.Damn, great photos. I didn't see anyone remotely as attractive as her when I visited Casarão.
AltoBomGosto
11-24-18, 02:28
Yes, Vani took over another clinica, this time Yankin, on Rua Dr. Jose de Queirós Aranha 148, near metro Ana Rosa.
I went there this afternoon, there were 16 nice girls in house.
Good alternative to Tangara.
ABG.
AltoBomGosto
11-24-18, 12:59
Yes, Vani took over another clinica, this time Yankin, on Rua Dr. Jose de Queirs Aranha 148, near metro Ana Rosa.
I went there this afternoon, there were 16 nice girls in the house.
Good alternative to Tangara.
ABG.Phone +551125017603. Open Mon through Sat 10 AM till 10 PM, Sundays 11 AM till 8 PM.
Prices = 160 reais = 1 hour and 100 reais 1/2 hour. Prices for payment in cash, if paid I credit card add 20 reais.
ABG.
AltoBomGosto
12-01-18, 10:45
Tangara has one of the best team of Garotas, between 30 and 48 every day.
If you are into a more European style girl there are some 04 to 10 Garotas from Curitiba, Parana in the house. Most of them stay a week or two and then go back but there is the nice Thas from Curitiba, young, slim, GFE, BBBJ, DFK. She comes in around noon and stays until 6 PM.
ABG.
Damn, great photos. I didn't see anyone remotely as attractive as her when I visited Casaro.Really? I would only rate her looks as a 6, maybe 7. The 2 nights that I was there, most girls were 6's and 7's, some 8's, very few 9's (and they were all busy all night).
Member #4732
12-02-18, 01:55
Really? I would only rate her looks as a 6, maybe 7. The 2 nights that I was there, most girls were 6's and 7's, some 8's, very few 9's (and they were all busy all night).Everyone has their own taste, but I would not even rate her as highly as that in terms of looks. Service may be phenomenal, but certainly not above the norm in terms of casarao looks IMO.
AltoBomGosto
12-02-18, 11:00
Many new girls from Belo Horizonte and Curitiba arrived yesterday. I went there with my American friend and he loved the parade.
Today the place opens at noon and closes at 8 PM.
ABG.
Really? I would only rate her looks as a 6, maybe 7. The 2 nights that I was there, most girls were 6's and 7's, some 8's, very few 9's (and they were all busy all night).While Giselle in the photos might have a familiar Brazilian morena look, I find her quite pretty and sexy.
Member #4732
12-02-18, 19:57
While Giselle in the photos might have a familiar Brazilian morena look, I find her quite pretty and sexy.Everyone has their own ranking system, so that's cool. I think the larger point is that RTheMan and I are surprised that ShooBree did not see others at Casarao that he considered comparable. For RTheMan and myself Casarao is full of women like this, as are the clinicas. There is nothing "extraordinary" about her looks. Again her service may be out of this world, that is another issue.
Everyone has their own ranking system, so that's cool. I think the larger point is that RTheMan and I are surprised that ShooBree did not see others at Casarao that he considered comparable. For RTheMan and myself Casarao is full of women like this, as are the clinicas. There is nothing "extraordinary" about her looks. Again her service may be out of this world, that is another issue.Well, there are several different possibilities but the easiest would be if you posted a picture of a girl that you consider an 8.
If you think that she was a 6 I would love to see your 8.
I only went to Casarao once, maybe it was a bad Wednesday night. Maybe I did a bad job scouting the place, but I don't think so since I took my time. I didn't visit any clinicas while in São Paulo since it was a very short visit and I suffered from an hangover the day after.
Honestly, I just think it's a very subjective matter and we don't see things the same way.
For example, in the Rio thread people talk positively about Copa 583 and negative about Delirio Oriental.
To me 583 was dog shit and Delirio was great.
JohnJones22
12-03-18, 18:53
Many new girls from Belo Horizonte and Curitiba arrived yesterday. I went there with my American friend and he loved the parade.
Today the place opens at noon and closes at 8 PM.
ABG.Thanks for the info! I have a thing for curvy women, think of Kim Kardashian's body. Any of the new girls have those amazing curves or mostly skinny girls?
Member #4732
12-05-18, 14:38
Well, there are several different possibilities but the easiest would be if you posted a picture of a girl that you consider an 8.
If you think that she was a 6 I would love to see your 8.
I only went to Casarao once, maybe it was a bad Wednesday night. Maybe I did a bad job scouting the place, but I don't think so since I took my time. I didn't visit any clinicas while in So Paulo since it was a very short visit and I suffered from an hangover the day after.
Honestly, I just think it's a very subjective matter and we don't see things the same way.
For example, in the Rio thread people talk positively about Copa 583 and negative about Delirio Oriental.
To me 583 was dog shit and Delirio was great.I was not trying to challenge your taste, as I said everyone's tastes are different. I don't post photos here be / see I don't show girls faces online out of respect for their privacy and without seeing the face you would not be able to ascertain too much. No offense intended. I just have to say honestly, that IMO the woman below is ok, just not special imo. She is a nice color, I love morenas, she has a nice butt, but looks a little think in the waist. Which is extremely common in Brazil. I prefer women with what is called "cintura fina" , a thin waist. Those types are harder to find and those I would rate higher than this woman. Her face is not really visible but from what I can see she looks like a typical Brazilian morena, which is fine. Perhaps when you say, that you did not see any like her at Casarao on your one visit, you are specifically referring to her color. Its possible there were not many morenas or mulatas at Casarao that night when you went. But normally there are.
Cheers.
I spent a few days in SP a couple of weeks ago. I was in the city twice, with a short trip to the beach in the middle of the trip.
I first stayed at the Blue Tree Morumbi for several nights and after return from the beach I stayed at AirBnb in the same area in a nice complex called Max Haus (on Rua Joaquin Guarani, 400 meters or so from Clininca Brooklin). Both places were great in terms of location, price and facilities. This was primarily a personal trip which dictated the location. I rented a car which was good for local transport. Cheap and easy for my travel in the areas I needed to be.
I had a chance to sample five girls:
1. Cancioneiro: I was in a rush to get somewhere and this was just down the street so I stopped by on a Tuesday afternoon. It was quiet and there weren't too many girls and only one was appealing: Sara. 23 year old morena. Attractive with a nice body. Firm and in shape. Good service and for the price (R $150?) a very good deal. The clinica is pretty typical in terms of decor and amenities.
2. Same night. I browsed one of the escort websites. I chose a girl named Yuki or Suki. Corresponded by what's app and agreed are $250 for an hour with promises that the girl that would appear is the same as the one pictured in the ad. Before she arrives I get a message that there is an extra are $50 charge for the taxi ride back. I agree. She arrives and the hotel informs me the extra guest charge is are $120, so the total is now are $420. Oh well. She is escorted up and before I open the door I am wondering what surprise will await me. I answer the knock at the door and not surprisingly the girl at the door is not the one pictured on the website. But, she was a complete knockout. She is tall and slim and really sexy. Basically dressed like catwoman without the mask. I think her name was Fey. Anyway, she was incredibly hot and I enjoyed her, but the service was rather routine. So after that, given the price, I decided to focus on the nearby clinicas.
3. Monday the following week: I visited Brooklin around 6 pm. It was so crowded. Must have been 20 guys. There were still a lot of girls but I was too slow and didn't get what I wanted so I walked over to Kin. They were super friendly, but they don't operate on the same scale as Brooklin. Nevertheless, after a rather modest presentation I chose Natalie. Early 20's, attractive with a very firm, athletic body. Pretty good service and similar in price to Cancioneiro.
4. Tuesday: this was my real score: I visited Brooklin mid-afternoon to avoid the crowds. Ended up with Sofia. What a gem. 23 and cute. Smallish body with a couple of tats. We hit it off immediately. She must have liked my broken Portuguese. Anyway, she was among the best I have ever had. Super sweet, great service. A real gem and an excellent session. R $220.
5. Wed: I checked out Brooklin again but it was crowded. Went over to Espaco Morumbi. Nothing happening there. Actually what I saw there that day was pretty much the worst I've seen.
6. Thurs:4. Since I was leaving that afternoon Brooklin at the open. Sofia was not there so I chose Raquel. Another gem. 29 and cute. Great body and with an aggressive, fuck me hard, service. Another real gem and another excellent session. R $220.
Summary: Brooklin can be very good. (Its not my first time there and overall I find that for the price the value can be incredible).
Having lived in Asia for 20+ years its simply a joy to be in Brazil. The girls are beyond compare. Asian girls are good, but for me, I like a nice firm body which I rarely find here. Many Asian girls are slim but rarely firm; they can be very soft and flabby even when slim; and they are no match for Brazilian breasts and bundas. And the Brazilians are very service oriented.
Looking forward to my next trip in April!
Cheers.
Member #4732
12-07-18, 15:40
Well, there are several different possibilities but the easiest would be if you posted a picture of a girl that you consider an 8.
If you think that she was a 6 I would love to see your 8.Its a reasonable request, if we met personally I would show you a bunch of contacts that I have which I consider to be beautiful. But I cannot post here. Some other posters can attest that I do not bullshit on this topic. But in general I don't really care for the 1-10 scale.
I have my own 3 tier scale:
Bottom: girls I would not even have sex with for free. They just do not interest me at all. Others may find them attractive but they just have no appeal to me.
Middle: girls I would do for free but I would not pay.
Top: girls I would pay.
I am very choosy when it comes to paying. Fortunately, in SP there are sufficient quantity to choose from that I find more than enough in the top category. Even with Tinder I apply this scale.
AltoBomGosto
12-08-18, 05:28
Many new girls from Belo Horizonte and Curitiba arrived yesterday. I went there with my American friend and he loved the parade.
Today the place opens at noon and closes at 8 PM.
ABG.Yesterday again to Tangara, lots of new girls from BH and Curitiba. My friend went with Mariah, a slim blonde and I went with Baby Gibi, a little caucasian, 20 yo, body full of tattoos, very GFE, DFK, and excellent BBBJ.
Very good intercourse on top of me, came once inside of her, second with a nice CIM.
Girls I would recommend: Thaís, Porshe, Mariah, Cacau, Isis, Sol, among others.
ABG.
Sargent 50
12-12-18, 05:50
Quick update Brooklin still is king of the clincas imo but I sampled chanes57 for the first time I didn't check the bar out upstairs but my next trip I will be sure too. I hit scandallo for the first time I guess I expected more talent but it really wasn't more talent than some the clincas. I hit cassaro after that major talent in there as it was a Saturday, I need to check out during the week considering the board says it a lot of talent during the week. Sunday I got started late due to not even leaving Casarao until 7:30 am hit Tangaria have it a 2nd try that place just doesn't do it for me. I went to the Skye bar I came up on a girl IDK if she was a working girl or not but she Gave me a massage card afterwards LOL. Monday I hit kilt only 5 girls in there so finished at Cassaro again. To sum it up SP still is king in my book. But Monday and Sundays are slow like most cities but it's still options to be found.
Treading Water
12-12-18, 22:35
I've read through all the more recent reports and it looks like Tangera is highly recommended but it appears to be about 42 minutes by taxi from GRU. Is there anywhere else someone would recommend that might be nearly as good but easier to hit from the airport? I will have maybe 6 hours Friday evening, I just don't want to cut it super close.
Quick update Brooklin still is king of the clincas imo but I sampled chanes57 for the first time I didn't check the bar out upstairs but my next trip I will be sure too. I hit scandallo for the first time I guess I expected more talent but it really wasn't more talent than some the clincas. I hit cassaro after that major talent in there as it was a Saturday, I need to check out during the week considering the board says it a lot of talent during the week. Sunday I got started late due to not even leaving Casarao until 7:30 am hit Tangaria have it a 2nd try that place just doesn't do it for me. I went to the Skye bar I came up on a girl IDK if she was a working girl or not but she Gave me a massage card afterwards LOL. Monday I hit kilt only 5 girls in there so finished at Cassaro again. To sum it up SP still is king in my book. But Monday and Sundays are slow like most cities but it's still options to be found.Casarao is as close as you get to the olde Helpeee Disco in 2018 in Sao Paulo. Whatever you're looking for. You can find it, Scandallos reminds me of a Vegas gold diggers convention. Cafe Photo, the exact same thing. Lots of pomp & fakery.
FRobertson
12-13-18, 06:05
Colleagues, just how safe is SP?
I'm planning an exploratory trip of the region and I like what I've been reading. But somehow I have this idea that as soon as foreigners land in Brazil, they immediately get robbed and beaten, possibly kidnapped and murdered. Which is not something I enjoy.
This far I've gathered that I want to visit Mexico City for one or two of the parties (if the schedule allows), Guadalajara because it's near CDMX, somewhere in Colombia (*** where) just to see what it's like, and possibly an island or two. Thinking about adding SP to the list as well.
Also, what would you recommend as a beach destination with good girl availability for the few days before and after the New Year? I like to have a sea nearby to meet the New Year.
I've been out of the mongering scene for a few years. Now for a number of reasons I feel the need to pay for companionship. So I need advice please.
I find myself with an unexpectedly approved vacation request for the New Year + Christmas holidays. Basically 2 weeks or so. If I was in Europe and this was 5 years ago, it'd be a no-brainer. Germany and partytreff tour. However, I am in the USA, I am not at all comfortable mongering here (too expensive and generally not that great) so I am thinking about heading South. Either go through a few places, or stay somewhere nice, ideally with a beach, and get a girl or 3 every day.
Here's what I'd like:
- Reasonably priced access to a broad variety of talent (I mention partytreffs because for me the rabbit-style works best, a few sessions about 4 seconds each, with lots of cuddling and touching before and after).
- Pricing per hour, not "per pop".
- Good, GFE-like attitude.
- Easy BBBJ.
Here's what I'm concerned about:
- The talent suddenly going home for the holidays and me being stuck dating my right hand.
- Personal safety.
- I don't like dirty places.
Would you recommend PV? Or what would be a better destination? I'm wide open to suggestions.
I've been to CDMX, Cancun, Cabos. Cabos seems too expensive. Cancun seems to not have enough talent for my liking (although I could have been doing it wrong). CDMX is good but the city is kinda ugly and somewhat depressing. Plus I prefer warmer places.
I've also been to Buenos Aires, Costa Rica, Panama. All are okay destinations.
Respectfully,
Me.
Treading Water
12-13-18, 12:55
I've read through all the more recent reports and it looks like Tangera is highly recommended but it appears to be about 42 minutes by taxi from GRU. Is there anywhere else someone would recommend that might be nearly as good but easier to hit from the airport? I will have maybe 6 hours Friday evening, I just don't want to cut it super close.
MongerForSex
12-13-18, 14:27
Colleagues, just how safe is SP?
I'm planning an exploratory trip of the region and I like what I've been reading. But somehow I have this idea that as soon as foreigners land in Brazil, they immediately get robbed and beaten, possibly kidnapped and murdered. Which is not something I enjoy.
This far I've gathered that I want to visit Mexico City for one or two of the parties (if the schedule allows), Guadalajara because it's near CDMX, somewhere in Colombia (*** where) just to see what it's like, and possibly an island or two. Thinking about adding SP to the list as well.
Also, what would you recommend as a beach destination with good girl availability for the few days before and after the New Year? I like to have a sea nearby to meet the New Year.
I've been out of the mongering scene for a few years. Now for a number of reasons I feel the need to pay for companionship. So I need advice please..Sao Paulo is the best destination to monger in Brazil, there are more options. It depends on your budget.
You are into the beach, you better go to Rio de Janeiro. Mongering in Rio de Janeiro is good but the options are limited.
There are good girls and bad girls in every state, GFE attitude, you can find in Sao Paulo as well as in other states. It depends on the girl and how you act around girls.
BBBJ, DFK and anal sex are very common in Brazil, you won't have trouble with that, but better to ask before having sex.
It's very relaxed to monger in Brazil, you can chat with and kiss the girls before having sex. It depends on the type of brothel.
Safety: you have to be careful wherever you go, not only in Brazil. Just avoid empty places.
HarvestBoi
12-13-18, 16:20
Colleagues, just how safe is SP?
I'm planning an exploratory trip of the region and I like what I've been reading. But somehow I have this idea that as soon as foreigners land in Brazil, they immediately get robbed and beaten, possibly kidnapped and murdered. Which is not something I enjoy.Assuming you stay in the 'nice' part of town, I think concerns about safety in Brazil are way overblown. Remember there are lots of middle class and wealty Brazilians who wish to be insulated from such nonsense as well. Personally I don't see Sampa as any different than BsAs.
I've been here for the 10 days on my first visit and have never felt uneasy. But I'm living the life of a wealthy man, taking Uber everywhere, going to the established clubs and clinicas, renting an Airbnb in Itami Bibi. I also hired altobomgusto for a couple of days to show me the ropes but am now out on my own. Worth it for me.
Depending on your taste as always, the level of girls looks and service is as high as anywhere I've been.
And, any Christian country will have a severe drop off as the holidays approach. For a mongering and beach vacay, I'd think Thailand might be better?
HarvestBoi
12-13-18, 17:24
Everyone has their own taste, but I would not even rate her as highly as that in terms of looks. Service may be phenomenal, but certainly not above the norm in terms of casarao looks IMO.One thing I notice about ratings is it depends a lot on background noise. I've been in Sampa for 10 days and the first day at Tangara I couldn't believe the number of 8 or higher garotas there were, but now those 8's are 6's. Case in point, my first Brazilian in Brazil. She had a lovely face too which she wouldn't let me photo.
Coming from sex prison I'the initially rated every girl at scandallos an 8 or higher. After I've been here a few days that scale has slid downwards. Still lots of 9 or higher though.
HarvestBoi
12-13-18, 17:41
Forgot to attach photo.
FRobertson
12-13-18, 19:39
And, any Christian country will have a severe drop off as the holidays approach. For a mongering and beach vacay, I'd think Thailand might be better?Thank you for sharing!
12 hours time difference is going to ruin it for me. And I'd rather explore more accessible areas so that I wouldn't feel stuck on this side of the world.
Colleagues, just how safe is SP?
I'm planning an exploratory trip of the region and I like what I've been reading. But somehow I have this idea that as soon as foreigners land in Brazil, they immediately get robbed and beaten, possibly kidnapped and murdered. Which is not something I enjoy.
This far I've gathered that I want to visit Mexico City for one or two of the parties (if the schedule allows), Guadalajara because it's near CDMX, somewhere in Colombia (*** where) just to see what it's like, and possibly an island or two. Thinking about adding SP to the list as well.
Also, what would you recommend as a beach destination with good girl availability for the few days before and after the New Year? I like to have a sea nearby to meet the New Year.
I've been out of the mongering scene for a few years. Now for a number of reasons I feel the need to pay for companionship. So I need advice please.
I find myself with an unexpectedly approved vacation request for the New Year + Christmas holidays. Basically 2 weeks or so. If I was in Europe and this was 5 years ago, it'd be a no-brainer. Germany and partytreff tour. However, I am in the USA, I am not at all comfortable mongering here (too expensive and generally not that great) so I am thinking about heading South. Either go through a few places, or stay somewhere nice, ideally with a beach, and get a girl or 3 every day.
Here's what I'd like:
- Reasonably priced access to a broad variety of talent (I mention partytreffs because for me the rabbit-style works best, a few sessions about 4 seconds each, with lots of cuddling and touching before and after).
- Pricing per hour, not "per pop".
- Good, GFE-like attitude.
- Easy BBBJ.
Here's what I'm concerned about:
- The talent suddenly going home for the holidays and me being stuck dating my right hand.
- Personal safety.
- I don't like dirty places.
Would you recommend PV? Or what would be a better destination? I'm wide open to suggestions.Whew, I just worked through that post. There's a lot there. It's probably best to break up posts like this into separate thoughts and countries.
First and foremost, your probability of dying when visiting Brazil goes up every year. That is simply a fact and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
I don't know if your going to find a partyreff-style scene outside Germany. Hmmm, lots of cuddling and touching before and after four second rabbit-style orgies? Interesting. Not sure how that works exactly. I've done the self-coordinated group thing once in awhile in Brazil. It's called a "festa" in Portuguese sex parlance. This type of action can be fun once in awhile. However, Brazilian girls are very well-trained on safe sex. It seems the action slows down to change the condom every time there is a switch. Not at all like a porn video.
I'm surprised by your attraction to Mexico for mongering, but to each his own. Does stand for PV Puerto Vallarta? I don't think Puerto Vallarta is a great mongering destination. Beach weather can be a bit cool over the holidays very cold current and possibility of a cool front for a few days.
I concur Rio and Thailand would be good beach / mongering options. Rio is expensive over New Years (Reveillon) but everything goes up during the holiday everywhere especially airfares. Rio now is kind of a beach vacation with mongering on the side. Not too long ago, it was a completely integrated tropical fantasy. A Thai beach / mongering vacay can be narrowed down to Pattaya, so-so beach, tons of mongering and Phuket, nice beaches, some mongering. You can integrate the beach and mongering in Thailand. The Dominican Republic might be a good New Years beach destination that doesn't break the bank.
DJ FourMoney
12-13-18, 23:24
Assuming you stay in the 'nice' part of town, I think concerns about safety in Brazil are way overblown. Remember there are lots of middle class and wealty Brazilians who wish to be insulated from such nonsense as well. Personally I don't see Sampa as any different than BsAs.
I've been here for the 10 days on my first visit and have never felt uneasy. But I'm living the life of a wealthy man, taking Uber everywhere, going to the established clubs and clinicas, renting an Airbnb in Itami Bibi. I also hired altobomgusto for a couple of days to show me the ropes but am now out on my own. Worth it for me.
Depending on your taste as always, the level of girls looks and service is as high as anywhere I've been.
And, any Christian country will have a severe drop off as the holidays approach. For a mongering and beach vacay, I'd think Thailand might be better?Here we go again with personal safety.
Sorry dawg but your activities are not exclusive to people with fat wallets. I can afford to hire Altobomgusto and have contacted him before my trip. But I missed my connecting flight so I had to consider other options.
Other forum members have dropped so much knowledge on me that I don't really need to hire anybody and I barely know any Portuguese. I wanted to visit Brazil since 2007, I finally went in 2016. I can't miss what I never experienced so while some forum members lament the increase in the Real over the last decade, there are still bargains to be had that are mainly used by the native population and unlike countries like Japan the locals are willing to share and thensome.
Speaking of the exchange rate when I went it made it very favorable to use Uber, Airbnb or stay in hostels for an extended amount of time.
Maybe I'm an idiot but I walked Sampa at night, late at night. I would notice if anybody was following me. I walked to one of the true hip-hop / rap clubs in Sampa, about 2 mile walk from Pinheiros district which was where I was staying.
I'll never understand the whole personal safety thing.
FRobertson
12-13-18, 23:34
Whew, I just worked through that post. There's a lot there. It's probably best to break up posts like this into separate thoughts and countries.
First and foremost, your probability of dying when visiting Brazil goes up every year. That is simply a fact and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
I don't know if your going to find a partyreff-style scene outside Germany. Hmmm, lots of cuddling and touching before and after four second rabbit-style orgies? Interesting. Not sure how that works exactly. I've done the self-coordinated group thing once in awhile in Brazil. It's called a "festa" in Portuguese sex parlance. This type of action can be fun once in awhile. However, Brazilian girls are very well-trained on safe sex. It seems the action slows down to change the condom every time there is a switch. Not at all like a porn video.
I'm surprised by your attraction to Mexico for mongering, but to each his own. Does stand for PV Puerto Vallarta? I don't think Puerto Vallarta is a great mongering destination. Beach weather can be a bit cool over the holidays very cold current and possibility of a cool front for a few days..Thank you. It's more of a brain dump for the more experienced people in the area to share random thoughts.
Mexico for mongering. Purely for logistical reasons, it's the shortest flight time for me at the moment. And time to time there are amazing flight deals. PV yes Puerto Vallarta, I've gathered enough to know that I probably wouldn't enjoy it there.
Thailand and anything else on that side of the world is simply too far. It'll take me a week to recover from the jetlag and then another week from the jetlag on return. Not fun. I'm getting too old. So that's why I'm sticking to this time zone.
The "beach" - I don't really need the beach scene with girls in the bikinis. I don't even like to swim. It's enough for me to know that the ocean is nearby, ideally to be able to look at it from a few feet away, walk on a civilized boardwalk with some restaurants. I liked the beach in Cozumel and La Paz but obviously mongering sux there.
Rio, I am kinda scared of it. Dominican Republic, I have an impression of it being a trashy touristy place. Could be totally wrong though. I'll probably end up just picking up the cheapest ticket when the time comes.
Thank you. It's more of a brain dump for the more experienced people in the area to share random thoughts.
Mexico for mongering. Purely for logistical reasons, it's the shortest flight time for me at the moment. And time to time there are amazing flight deals. PV yes Puerto Vallarta, I've gathered enough to know that I probably wouldn't enjoy it there.
Thailand and anything else on that side of the world is simply too far. It'll take me a week to recover from the jetlag and then another week from the jetlag on return. Not fun. I'm getting too old. So that's why I'm sticking to this time zone.
The "beach" - I don't really need the beach scene with girls in the bikinis. I don't even like to swim. It's enough for me to know that the ocean is nearby, ideally to be able to look at it from a few feet away, walk on a civilized boardwalk with some restaurants. I liked the beach in Cozumel and La Paz but obviously mongering sux there.
Rio, I am kinda scared of it. Dominican Republic, I have an impression of it being a trashy touristy place. Could be totally wrong though. I'll probably end up just picking up the cheapest ticket when the time comes.As far as your observations on the DR, I concur. Honestly, I've never seen a DR'an chick I wanted to do. Combined with their belief that they're not of African descent. To me they're a total turn off. Latinx cultural brainwashing to the max. As far as being too old, maybe that should an incentive to that flight to Thailand or wherever. We're not getting any younger. Being a North Carolina country boy at heart, my mantra has always been, "make hay while the sun is shining. " Dude you need to take that trip to Brasil, spend a little time in Sao Paulo and follow up with some time in Rio. Before you touch down in Rio just make sure you've done your homework. I love Brasil!
Steve 9696
12-14-18, 05:23
Thank you. It's more of a brain dump for the more experienced people in the area to share random thoughts.
Mexico for mongering. Purely for logistical reasons, it's the shortest flight time for me at the moment. And time to time there are amazing flight deals. PV yes Puerto Vallarta, I've gathered enough to know that I probably wouldn't enjoy it there.
Thailand and anything else on that side of the world is simply too far. It'll take me a week to recover from the jetlag and then another week from the jetlag on return. Not fun. I'm getting too old. So that's why I'm sticking to this time zone.
The "beach" - I don't really need the beach scene with girls in the bikinis. I don't even like to swim. It's enough for me to know that the ocean is nearby, ideally to be able to look at it from a few feet away, walk on a civilized boardwalk with some restaurants. I liked the beach in Cozumel and La Paz but obviously mongering sux there.
Rio, I am kinda scared of it. Dominican Republic, I have an impression of it being a trashy touristy place. Could be totally wrong though. I'll probably end up just picking up the cheapest ticket when the time comes.I get all the arguments above. But really if I want beautiful girls with no inhibitions and great GFE take the extra plane ride to São Paulo. It is so worth it. I've been a ton of places (including Thailand and the infamous German FKKs) but nothing compares to the Brasileiras in SP. Of course I love the high end vibe of a Scandallo but plenty of fun to be found at Casarao— or the Clinicas if you are a daytime kind of guy. But make the trip. It's worth it.
HarvestBoi
12-14-18, 05:26
So as the elevator doors close and we go back to the club from our 2 hour hotel date, she leans in to give me a deep kiss and I slide my hand down her pants, under her thonge until my middle finger is resting against her asshole. As I press my finger into her up to the first knuckle she breaks the kiss and looks right in my eyes and says, "quando voce quiver" . Whenever you want. This 23 year old ringer for the porn star Keisha gray. This is why I came to Brazil.
Steve 9696
12-14-18, 05:26
Forgot to attach photo.Did you say you've been there ten days you lucky dog? Seems we are missing some trip reports. 😀 Seriously, do tell. Let's hear some more of your adventures, venues, and thoughts.
Steve 9696
12-14-18, 05:32
So as the elevator doors close and we go back to the club from our 2 hour hotel date, she leans in to give me a deep kiss and I slide my hand down her pants, under her thonge until my middle finger is resting against her asshole. As I press my finger into her up to the first knuckle she breaks the kiss and looks right in my eyes and says, "quando voce quiver" . Whenever you want. This 23 year old ringer for the porn star Keisha gray. This is why I came to Brazil.Haha you must have read my mind — you were literally posting this as I begged for posts. I too am so in love with Brasileiras. They are a breed apart. My Scandalo girl (who turned out to be a semi pro dancer) spent 2 hrs with me just flirting before we got a room. We both lost track of time. That is how they are — just in the moment. And I could do the nightclub scene like Scandalo every night. No problem!
HarvestBoi
12-14-18, 06:17
I tend to post after my trips rather than during. I have to say that I've never seen anything like Scandallo. After tonight, I'the be happy to spend weeks plowing through the dozens on hot targets there alone.
I'm setting up a festa for Saturday so I'll let you know how that goes. In short, I'the agree that SP is the best mongering locale I've been to yet.
More about boites vs clinicas to come?
AltoBomGosto
12-14-18, 09:54
I tend to post after my trips rather than during. I have to say that I've never seen anything like Scandallo. After tonight, I'the be happy to spend weeks plowing through the dozens on hot targets there alone.
I'm setting up a festa for Saturday so I'll let you know how that goes. In short, I'the agree that SP is the best mongering locale I've been to yet.
More about boites vs clinicas to come?Thanks HB, it was very nice to be your wingman to Scandallo, and I'm very happy that you enjoyed it so much.
Only as an additional information, there is a happy hour for 150 reais entrance fee, totally consumable, they serve a very good dinner. I think it goes till 7 pm.
Could you please check this information?
Tell us more about your Saturday's party!
Thanks,
ABG.
AltoBomGosto
12-14-18, 10:18
Yesterday afternoon I went to Tangara, 30 garotas on the parade, difficult choice, but chose ISIS, a simpática mineira from Belo Horizonte, she's on short time at Vaní's (she will return on Dez 20th. To BH.
Very nice red-haired lady, very GFE, hot passionate DFK.
Her BBBJ is absolutely fantastic, she's a real deep throat expert, I think she took like half an hour sucking my dick. I did come in her mouth the first time!
Horse riding, she on top is fantastic, she got a really tight pussy.
Second turn with Talia, a nice black hair caucasian, fantastic BBBJTC, came in her mouth twice.
Very goos DFK at the beginning and at the end.
Price of the damage: 300 reais, 150 for each girl.
Susan, the manager, speaks some English, as also do Takuma.
ABG.
HarvestBoi
12-14-18, 16:23
On my first visit to scandallo I went with ABG who was showing me around. As anyone who's RTFF knows, ABG is not really a boite kinda guy. He's kinda tolerant of us rich boite guys and like any good local monger, he's always got a eye out for the best deal. As we sat there drinking our mineral water and watching the parade, he says "look, the garottas here aren't any hotter here than at Tangara, and there I could have 5 girls for the price you pay for one hour here" . Sure I say, but better outfits and dresses, better shoes, better hair, better plastic surgery. Yah, better hair and dresses for sure he says. And this is part of the appeal of the place. Knowing these girls have spent money on themselves to make themselves desireable makes the experiencd more intense.
I end up in room with Ana Carolina whose butt, legs and pussy are as smooth and soft as silk. I stand her up against the wall and bury my face in all that wet goodness and we are off. Lordy. 800 Reid but full on PSE with anal.
HarvestBoi
12-14-18, 17:03
I go back again the next night. This time solo. I like going in the mid afternoon and sitting outside on the patio. It's nice to see the girls in natural light and you can get a vibe from the girls as they interact with each other or customers. It's a way to spot the sharks too. One of the things that frustrates me about the clinicas is that you have a 10 second interaction during the lineup and it's hard for me to choose so quickly. I always feel like I make the wrong choice. In the boites you can see how a girl moves, smiles etc. You can wait to zero in on your target.
At the next table over is a cute, juicy morsel of tawny, baby fat, butterscotch goodness. Cute round face. Not a hardbody but well proportioned. Something about the way she lets the guy she's sitting with feel up her tits attracts me. She knows she's here for pleasure and is perfectly ok with it. Casual and natural. Think Keisha Grey.
At the next table from her there is a tall Amazon Branco in tight black pants that show every crack in her firm, ample ass and a halter which shows her man made rack to perfection. Gorgeous slightly Eurasian face. I'm now fantasizing how my dick will feel as I slide it into the back of their throats. I think I should make an approach but I'm shy. My Porto sucks and I've only been here 10 minutes and I'm going for the first girls I see? Rookie mistake. So I end up with Sara a lean model with natural tits and ass but beautiful and sympathetic. Off to room. I have to use google translate but am getting better with communicating what I want. I'm a finicky guy. Damage 800 reals for Sara, 200 for the room and 200 to the club for drinks and food. Not cheap by SP standards but a great night out by mine. I still have my baby fat princess in my mind.
FRobertson
12-14-18, 17:17
One of the things that frustrates me about the clinicas is that you have a 10 second interaction during the lineup and it's hard for me to choose so quickly. I always feel like I make the wrong choice. Ah but it's also easy to just try someone else if you don't like your first pick. Or second pick.
Member #4732
12-14-18, 18:28
On my first visit to scandallo I went with ABG who was showing me around. As anyone who's RTFF knows, ABG is not really a boite kinda guy. He's kinda tolerant of us rich boite guys and like any good local monger, he's always got a eye out for the best deal. As we sat there drinking our mineral water and watching the parade, he says "look, the garottas here aren't any hotter here than at Tangara, and there I could have 5 girls for the price you pay for one hour here" . Sure I say, but better outfits and dresses, better shoes, better hair, better plastic surgery. Yah, better hair and dresses for sure he says. And this is part of the appeal of the place. Knowing these girls have spent money on themselves to make themselves desireable makes the experiencd more intense.
I end up in room with Ana Carolina whose butt, legs and pussy are as smooth and soft as silk. I stand her up against the wall and bury my face in all that wet goodness and we are off. Lordy. 800 Reid but full on PSE with anal.Yeah, the price range is really vast be / t the clinicas and the boates, with the free lancers in between. For my taste, in home with free lancer is the best of both worlds but that is not always possible for the short term visitor. I. e. Meet.
Its a matter of personal taste, but the one think I dislike about the boates is the near mandatory plastic surgery look. Its a pet peeve of mine that waaaaaaaayy too many Brasileiras get tit jobs that are unnecessary, and even if the surgery is well done, its usually makes them look worse than before. And unfortunately, to compete in the boate many girls "think" they need to get their tits done. Its not just the boates, of course, girls in all walks of life in Brasil are "saving" to have surgery. It drive me nuts, because most of them have wonderful tits already. Then they get big inflatables and they look like blow up dolls. I guess there are guys that prefer the "porn star" look but I hate it. I have yet to meet a GP who looked better after her tit surgery than before, not one.
Not raining on your parade amigo. I recommend Scandalo (or Bomboa) to visitors who want to experience something pretty unique and that is the buzz of being surrounded by over 100 beauties and being able to choose. As you say its a rich man's luxury, but if you have the wallet why not enjoy it.
Harvest Boi, I'm a wee bit confused. Is that the second girl that looked like Keisha Grey you mentioned? Is that a coincidence or do you feel that a few Brasileiras have that kind of Keisha Grey look? Just curious.
Since you are currently on the ground in SP, I'm interested in what you really think of the clinica girls versus the Scandallo girls. I think you are being diplomatic when you attribute it to clothing, hair, make-up, etc. While you can find a clinica sweetheart who will bang the hell out of you, I prefer the Scandallo girls or top escorts when I have limited time to find a truly hot babe. I know from RTFF ABG can be very adamant about the clinicas.
I end up in room with Ana Carolina whose butt, legs and pussy are as smooth and soft as silk. I stand her up against the wall and bury my face in all that wet goodness and we are off. Lordy. 800 Reid but full on PSE with anal.Hey HB,
What did you use to snap those photos? A smart phone? When I went to Scandalo I had a camera that was confiscated (of course returned upon departure). Also wonder how many girls you talked to about pictures and how agreeable they were in general. I got a camera into all the other boites easy, but not Scandalo.
Member #4732
12-14-18, 20:01
Harvest Boi, I'm a wee bit confused. Is that the second girl that looked like Keisha Grey you mentioned? Is that a coincidence or do you feel that a few Brasileiras have that kind of Keisha Grey look? Just curious.
Since you are currently on the ground in SP, I'm interested in what you really think of the clinica girls versus the Scandallo girls. I think you are being diplomatic when you attribute it to clothing, hair, make-up, etc. While you can find a clinica sweetheart who will bang the hell out of you, I prefer the Scandallo girls or top escorts when I have limited time to find a truly hot babe. I know from the past ABG can be very defensive about the clinicas.Not HB, but cannot resist this topic. I think one has to decide whether one is talking about "averages" or "standouts". And I am talking just looks now, not service, not attitude, not price, just straight up looks. It is probably safe to say that Scandalo has a much higher "average" than most of the clinicas discussed here. There are some real plain women at the clinicas that bring their average down. But if one is talking about "standouts", that is to say the girls that standout in your eyes, it is very possible to find many standouts in the boate, but also possible to find a few standouts in the better clinica. The other day I sessioned with a TG girl, one hour for 150 reais. She had a marvelous sensual dress that draped her body. In the room, she told me that she works at Scandalo and it clicked right then that I had seen her IN THAT DRESS in Scandalo the last time I was there months ago. I remember being attracted to her at Scandalo but was not going to pay Scandalo price that day. So here we were a few months later, and I get her at TG for 150 and to make it better, my frequent visitor card gave me 50% off so I paid 75 reais for a girl that would cost 800 at scandalo (600 for her and 200 for room). Same girl, different location. 10 x price differential. My one complaint about her, she had overly large fake boobs. Thanks Scandalo LOL.
The last time I went to Scandalo I was not impressed even with its average. The average was not as high as I had seen in prior visits. Unfortunately Brazilians are gaining a lot of weight and the women in their mid 20's and beyond in particular are "on average" a few kilos over their fighting weight. So again, one can find great lookers at the clinicas because there are often first time young chicks at the clinicas that do not know about or do not want to work at the boates. Let me put it this way, I only visit the boates with visitors who want to a wingman, and I have no problem finding women just as good or better than the boate ladies, either at the clinicas, on tinder, or free.
Its just that the boate has the vibe and the "convenience" factor that is advantageous to visitors. In terms of sheer numbers, statistically, you are almost guaranteed to find a few standouts amongst 100 women.
Maybe this is a rambling response, I am typing fast as I am getting ready to host a multi hour in home with a super hottie 21 year old that I found in a low end prive, who is now a regular in home. She would have caught my eye anywhere.
Since you are currently on the ground in SP, I'm interested in what you really think of the clinica girls versus the Scandallo girls. I think you are being diplomatic when you attribute it to clothing, hair, make-up, etc. While you can find a clinica sweetheart who will bang the hell out of you, I prefer the Scandallo girls or top escorts when I have limited time to find a truly hot babe. I know from the past ABG can be very defensive about the clinicas.And unapologetic. For me, it's no contest. The girls at places like Scandalo and Bomboa are so much hotter than what you will find at the typical clinica. I found Cafe Photo and Casarao to be at the next level, although I think I may have hit Casarao on a bad night. ABG (and others) just doesn't want to spend the money.
Reading the trip reports from the "rich" who "lives the living life of a wealthy man" made me remember a forum member, Genghis Khan.
Most highrollers on the forum just seems to be amateurs overpaying to get p*ssy. Genghis Khan was different, you could realize that this guy really had class. If I'm not mistaken he got terminally ill with cancer and passed away, RIP.
Thanks god we have ABG in the São Paulo forum.
HarvestBoi
12-14-18, 20:38
The KG girl was at the next table over on Wednesday. She goes by the name Carine. Just a visual reference. I missed her on Wednesday but hooked her last night so it's the same girl. The other girl was the Eurasian babe. Carine last night told me the Eurasian babe went home for awhile. I'll get around to writing a report about last night. The moral of the story is that sometimes your first option IS the best option.
The clinica girls are pretty hot. Much much hotter than you'the find in a massage place in the US. I see ABG's point that the scandallo girls aren't 5-7 times hotter. You can bang some awful sexy girls for 150 reals, which is about 40 bucks. Good service too. One thing that irritates me at both spots is the requirement to take a shower. Kills the mood for me. Luckily with Carine we by passed it for the first 20 minutes or so. Because the girls at the clinicas make so much less, there is a tendency for them to want to get you in and out quickly. As I said, I often don't want to pick a girl immediately from the lineup and with my limited Porto it's hard to get a vibe with a girl. I'm getting better slowly with the help of translate and as I lose my timidity from first time in a foreign country where I don't speak the lingo. If I had better language skills I'm sure I'd find plenty of clinica Garrotas to plow. In SP, the commercial sex options are vast, too much for a first time visitor to do it justice.
I am setting up a festa tomorrow with Carine and 2 friends. Wish me luck. As you mentioned these encounters can be disappointing but I had to have the Brazilian love motel experience. 3 hours around a pool with 3 hot 20 year olds to bang. Worse ways to spend a Saturday afternoon.
Harvest Boi, I'm a wee bit confused. Is that the second girl that looked like Keisha Grey you mentioned? Is that a coincidence or do you feel that a few Brasileiras have that kind of Keisha Grey look? Just curious.
Since you are currently on the ground in SP, I'm interested in what you really think of the clinica girls versus the Scandallo girls. I think you are being diplomatic when you attribute it to clothing, hair, make-up, etc. While you can find a clinica sweetheart who will bang the hell out of you, I prefer the Scandallo girls or top escorts when I have limited time to find a truly hot babe. I know from the past ABG can be very defensive about the clinicas.
HarvestBoi
12-14-18, 20:41
Amen to that. ABG has kept this forum going. I remember GK's posts back in the day. Sorry to hear he's gone.
Reading the trip reports from the "rich" who "lives the living life of a wealthy man" made me remember a forum member, Genghis Khan.
Most highrollers on the forum just seems to be amateurs overpaying to get p*ssy. Genghis Khan was different, you could realize that this guy really had class. If I'm not mistaken he got terminally ill with cancer and passed away, RIP.
Thanks god we have ABG in the So Paulo forum..
Good service too. One thing that irritates me at both spots is the requirement to take a shower. Kills the mood for me.Very amazing. :)
Have fun.
HarvestBoi
12-14-18, 22:20
Now my garrote for my festa asks for a deposit. LOL. Does anyone have a reference for a nice love motel near Itami Bibi? I'm not paying a deposit obviously (not sure I can as a foreigner anyways) but maybe if I spring for the hotel in advance.
Steve 9696
12-15-18, 03:52
Yeah, the price range is really vast be / t the clinicas and the boates, with the free lancers in between. For my taste, in home with free lancer is the best of both worlds but that is not always possible for the short term visitor. I. e. Meet.
Its a matter of personal taste, but the one think I dislike about the boates is the near mandatory plastic surgery look. Its a pet peeve of mine that waaaaaaaayy too many Brasileiras get tit jobs that are unnecessary, and even if the surgery is well done, its usually makes them look worse than before. And unfortunately, to compete in the boate many girls "think" they need to get their tits done. Its not just the boates, of course, girls in all walks of life in Brasil are "saving" to have surgery. It drive me nuts, because most of them have wonderful tits already. Then they get big inflatables and they look like blow up dolls. I guess there are guys that prefer the "porn star" look but I hate it. I have yet to meet a GP who looked better after her tit surgery than before, not one.
Not raining on your parade amigo. I recommend Scandalo (or Bomboa) to visitors who want to experience something pretty unique and that is the buzz of being surrounded by over 100 beauties and being able to choose. As you say its a rich man's luxury, but if you have the wallet why not enjoy it.Yeah it seems a thing with the Brasileiras that they are never quite good enough. My girl Thifany the Unicorn who I've since downgraded to a 9.5 LOL told me in London she wants to get her nose narrowed (completely unnecessary but OK) and her tits done. Also completely unnecessary. A nice firm B cup. Never wore a bra the entire week in London. I will seriously ball my eyes out if she takes a knife to that chest. Hopefully she will see the light.
She’s a fucking 9.5 already!!!
Member #4587
12-15-18, 10:40
One thing that irritates me at both spots is the requirement to take a shower. Kills the mood for me.So American. You belong to VM in RJ, there no one asks to do it for several reasons LOL. Do not forget to negotiate 10 reais discount from 60 reais and then to give tip more than the discount. Spend there the whole day and your mood will not be killed. Beside, most of the RJ forum North American members live there, reminds them their trailers at back home. Meanwhile, look the VM girls photos in RJ forum and start jerk off. LOL.
Member #4732
12-15-18, 13:10
Yeah it seems a thing with the Brasileiras that they are never quite good enough. My girl Thifany the Unicorn who I've since downgraded to a 9.5 LOL told me in London she wants to get her nose narrowed (completely unnecessary but OK) and her tits done. Also completely unnecessary. A nice firm B cup. Never wore a bra the entire week in London. I will seriously ball my eyes out if she takes a knife to that chest. Hopefully she will see the light.
Shes a fucking 9.5 already!!!I'm often amazed at how many people do not understand the principles of aesthetics and beauty. The human body co-evolved with human desire so each reflects the other. In most cases, there are exceptions of course, the natural measurements of a body in its physically fit condition are as good as they can be for that body type and skeleton, as nature intended. When women change those proportions through surgery they usually degrade the overall aesthetic. They hyper focus on the particular attribute like nose or breast or ass without understanding its relationship to the whole body. You take a false magea and inflate her tits and its an abomination. She goes from being a violin to being a figure 8.
Instead of doing surgery these women should be exercising, without steroids, as their fit form will be the best possible form.
And unapologetic. For me, it's no contest. The girls at places like Scandalo and Bomboa are so much hotter than what you will find at the typical clinica. I found Cafe Photo and Casarao to be at the next level, although I think I may have hit Casarao on a bad night. ABG (and others) just doesn't want to spend the money.This is credible. The vast majority of reports of punters who visited places like Scandalo and Bomboa have stated that the girls in those locations are hotter than those in the clinicas.
HarvestBoi
12-15-18, 13:50
I used my phone. Every girl I sessioned with was open to some kind of photo. I take them to remember the girls. There are so many you can forget.
Most girls didn't want their face, some insisted on clothes. I too have a small camera which I'm taking to my festa, where photos were part of the Pre negosh. Places like scandallo probably would prefer to confiscate your phone too, but both clients and garottas would rebel
Hey HB,
What did you use to snap those photos? A smart phone? When I went to Scandalo I had a camera that was confiscated (of course returned upon departure). Also wonder how many girls you talked to about pictures and how agreeable they were in general. I got a camera into all the other boites easy, but not Scandalo.
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Member #4732
12-15-18, 13:54
This is credible. The vast majority of reports of punters who visited places like Scandalo and Bomboa have stated that the girls in those locations are hotter than those in the clinicas.That is an oversimplification. I would put it this way. The top girls at the clinicas would fit in at the boates just fine, in fact I can personally attest to knowing many that work both joints.
The difference is that the "average" at the boates is equal to the "top" at the clinica.
This only applies to the luxury boates, there are pleny of trashy boates which are not discuses here.
HarvestBoi
12-15-18, 14:07
I concur with just about everything Rovnik says here. I'dput the median of girls looks at scandallo at 8 and the clinicas I went to the median is 7. Still means that you can find 9's at a place like Tangara. I too have noticed that lots of girls in the clubs are on the beefy side but they know how to wear it well. And if you are a long time visitor or resident in Brazil I'm sure there are amazing hot girls for home duty at the prices he notes. When I come back I'll Be looking to set something like that up. My preferred mode of mongering is to hang for multiple hours with ATFs at home but they cost me 300 bucks an hour in sex prison. That’s the discounted ‘regular’ rate too. They are swimsuit model quality however but still. I texted one of my regulars and told her that I’d outsourced her pussy to Brazil!
Not HB, but cannot resist this topic. I think one has to decide whether one is talking about "averages" or "standouts". And I am talking just looks now, not service, not attitude, not price, just straight up looks. It is probably safe to say that Scandalo has a much higher "average" than most of the clinicas discussed here. There are some real plain women at the clinicas that bring their average down. But if one is talking about "standouts", that is to say the girls that standout in your eyes, it is very possible to find many standouts in the boate, but also possible to find a few standouts in the better clinica. The other day I sessioned with a TG girl, one hour for 150 reais. She had a marvelous sensual dress that draped her body. In the room, she told me that she works at Scandalo and it clicked right then that I had seen her IN THAT DRESS in Scandalo the last time I was there months ago. I remember being attracted to her at Scandalo but was not going to pay Scandalo price that day. So here we were a few months later, and I get her at TG for 150 and to make it better, my frequent visitor card gave me 50% off so I paid 75 reais for a girl that would cost 800 at scandalo (600 for her and 200 for room). Same girl, different location. 10 x price differential. My one complaint about her, she had overly large fake boobs. Thanks Scandalo LOL.
The last time I went to Scandalo I was not impressed even with its average. The average was not as high as I had seen in prior visits. Unfortunately Brazilians are gaining a lot of weight and the women in their mid 20's and beyond in particular are "on average" a few kilos over their fighting weight. So again, one can find great lookers at the clinicas because there are often first time young chicks at the clinicas that do not know about or do not want to work at the boates. Let me put it this way, I only visit the boates with visitors who want to a wingman, and I have no problem finding women just as good or better than the boate ladies, either at the clinicas, on tinder, or free.
Its just that the boate has the vibe and the "convenience" factor that is advantageous to visitors. In terms of sheer numbers, statistically, you are almost guaranteed to find a few standouts amongst 100 women.
Maybe this is a rambling response, I am typing fast as I am getting ready to host a multi hour in home with a super hottie 21 year old that I found in a low end prive, who is now a regular in home. She would have caught my eye anywhere..
Member #4732
12-15-18, 15:24
I concur with just about everything Rovnik says here. I'dput the median of girls looks at scandallo at 8 and the clinicas I went to the median is 7. Still means that you can find 9's at a place like Tangara. I too have noticed that lots of girls in the clubs are on the beefy side but they know how to wear it well. And if you are a long time visitor or resident in Brazil I'm sure there are amazing hot girls for home duty at the prices he notes. When I come back I'll Be looking to set something like that up. My preferred mode of mongering is to hang for multiple hours with ATFs at home but they cost me 300 bucks an hour in sex prison. Thats the discounted regular rate too. They are swimsuit model quality however but still. I texted one of my regulars and told her that Id outsourced her pussy to Brazil!.Agree. Some guys here make it sound like there are 2 mutually exclusive groups of garotas, the clinica garotas and the boate garotas. A casual reader might think that the clinica garotas are not pretty enough to work in the boates and that somehow the boate is the major league and the clinica the minor league. Nothing could be further from the truth. Its a ven diagram with a lot of overlap, and a lot of movement.
I return to my major point, its an apples and oranges discussion vis boates and clinicas, large space vs small space, high price vs low price, large selection vs small selection, night vs day, socialize vs line up, take out option vs in house only. Lots of differences, and looks are just one.
Put it this way, if you want to fuck a lot, go to one or several clinicas and do an hour with several different girls, or double up, triple up with one hottie. If you want to flirt a lot, go to the boate. So its fuck vs flirt & fuck. Both are fun, both are accessible, you can even do both in the same day.
HarvestBoi
12-15-18, 15:37
My first two nights were good, not great, I'the rate the overall experience a solid 8 but was looking to upgrade. I hang out some time in the room with the big screen TV, between the nightclub and the back patio. The waiters don't seem to pester you for drinks and as I'm single, foreign and old sometime I feel out of place a little as there are some younger dudes in gangs. That spot is also a good spot to watch girls as they roll through looking for new meat to fuck, you can see them in natural light if it's daytime.
In a cluster of guys on the back patio, there were several girls sitting with them. One of the girls is my butterscotch, butter butt, baby fat Keisha Grey look alike from the night before who I saw yesterday but didn't approach because I saw her too early. I watch her with this group and she has the same easy vibe as before. Later, in the restaurant I'm feeling generous and am chatting up this tall lingerie model quality morena with firm spectacular DD boobs. It occurs to me that this is a job for the girls, they spend a lot on dresses, makeup etc then spend 8 hour trolling for dick. The job entails a lot of rejection so they develop a kind of hardness. So I offer to buy Morena Victoria Secrets a bit of food. As soon as the food arrives, baby fat passes by and I drop MVS in mid sentence. Baby fat please sit down, drink etc. By now if have a number of set convos on google translate to go over my service requirements. I just love the look on her cute, fat, round schoolgirl face, illuminated by the cell phone as she reads my requests. As she reads " I love to put my dick deep down your throat" her face changes from a look of concentration as she reads to a look joy as she breaks out in a grin and gives a thumbs up. Priceless.
Off to the room. It's a mystery why some girls do it for you but within 15 minutes I know this why I came to Brazil. 2 hours of wet face fucking dep throats kissing fingering and fucking mayhem follow, ending in the little vignette in the elevator which I related earlier. She's set up something at a hotel with 2 friends in 90 minutes so stay tuned.
Member #4732
12-15-18, 16:03
My first two nights were good, not great, I'the rate the overall experience a solid 8 but was looking to upgrade. I hang out some time in the room with the big screen TV, between the nightclub and the back patio. The waiters don't seem to pester you for drinks and as I'm single, foreign and old sometime I feel out of place a little as there are some younger dudes in gangs. That spot is also a good spot to watch girls as they roll through looking for new meat to fuck, you can see them in natural light if it's daytime..Good observations. Yes, the "hardness" or "pro" attitude is a consequence of the job. I prefer Casarao, not just for the lower price, but also because Casarao is more casual, and girls can work whenever they want. Boates like Bomboa and Scandalo force the girls to work 5 days per week or else they pay a fine for days missed. This means that even if a girl is tired and not in the mood she may be there just to avoid a fine. Also, I think you did the right thing by relying on google translate rather than looking for an English speaking garota. At places like Scandalo, it is possible to find English speaking garotas BUT they are often the most "pro", often Brasileiras that have worked in Europe and are now back in Brasil. I usually steer clear of them if I find out they worked in Europe because many of them pick up bad habits working overseas. They get jaded, spoiled and manipulative. Obviously, this is a generalization that does not apply to all cases, but my worst experiences in Brasil came with such girls, so now I just avoid them.
The thumbs up smile reaction to your direct text is classic. I love being direct with my regular girls and they love to be direct back with me. Sex in Brazil is natural and fun.
I return to my major point, its an apples and oranges discussion vis boates and clinicas, large space vs small space, high price vs low price, large selection vs small selection, night vs day, socialize vs line up, take out option vs in house only. Lots of differences, and looks are just one.
Put it this way, if you want to fuck a lot, go to one or several clinicas and do an hour with several different girls, or double up, triple up with one hottie. If you want to flirt a lot, go to the boate. So its fuck vs flirt & fuck. Both are fun, both are accessible, you can even do both in the same day.Great points, and that's exactly what I do too, regardless of where I monger. Meaning that I play in both the "day" and "night" leagues to the extent that they exist. And I understand that they typically are fundamentally different. My mean optics ratings are close to HB's. I have the very best boites at 8 and the clinicas at 6.5, so a little more distance between the two for me. But, I must qualify that by saying that my sample size is smaller than his and yours, and especially ABG's.
I've heard that SP is the center of mongering in South America. And I've been to Colombia several times and have really enjoyed Medellin. But I'm now on a trip in Medellin and I think I've somewhat exhausted the scene. I'm a huge fan of La Isla (for those who've been) and have heard that SP has comparable strip clubs to that world-class quality. But have also heard great things about the clinicas. I'm RTFF but would be very appreciative of the veteran summary. Particularly as to those who can speak about the difference between Colombia & Brazil (specifically Medellin vs. Sao Paulo). I've also heard that with the current political / social climate that it's a bit more dangerous to visit than usual. But that doesn't concern me. Should it?
My favorite mongering destinations thus far have been Medellin (La Isla, Fase II, Energy, New Life, Loutron) and Germany (the FKK scene to me is the best I've experienced to date) - I've heard that if you like FKK you must visit the Termas. But I've heard most of the Termas are in Rio, is that true?
Cheers!
Steve 9696
12-15-18, 20:01
I used my phone. Every girl I sessioned with was open to some kind of photo. I take them to remember the girls. There are so many you can forget.
Most girls didn't want their face, some insisted on clothes. I too have a small camera which I'm taking to my festa, where photos were part of the Pre negosh. Places like scandallo probably would prefer to confiscate your phone too, but both clients and garottas would rebel
.Other than my tenth bonus girl, where I forgot to get her number, all my girls gave me their number and we connected on WhatsApp. Every single one sent me a full face pic when I asked (said I'the keep it private which I have). So make sure to get numbers for the girls you like. This is also how Thifany and I light-chatted before I floated the London travel idea. So that paid off in spades.
Slightly spooky part is once you have their phone number, Instagram will somehow suggest you follow them. Found out that way that my Scandalo girl got engaged two weeks after our little soirée! And one of them is just so beautiful I love to follow her beach and nightclub adventures. I let her know and she doesn't seem to mind.
Treading Water
12-15-18, 20:24
Thanks for the good advice I got from HarvestBoi, ABG, and Rovnak. I only had a limited time (at least I thought) so yesterday I initially headed out to Elas Massagems which was recommended by Rovnak because it is pretty close to GRU. Unfortunately with the traffic it wasn't close enough. It was clear we weren't going to make before 8 PM closing time so I turned back to the airport. I was wondering how rigid they stick to those hours, thought about forging ahead in hopes they'the still be open, but I really didn't want to screw up my flight and I went back to GRU to catch my flight unfulfilled.
Then I spent a night in airline hell. After pulling out of the gate around 11:30 pm and several returns and restarts, they cancelled my flight completely at about 4 AM. The upside was it gave me today to play in Sao Paolo.
Today being Sunday Elas Massagens wasn't open and I had plenty of time so I headed to Tangara. Really nice lineup in that place. I thought it interesting how the girls kind of walk in and give some of the guys a peck on the cheek. Others they skip right over. It was like they were doing a little selecting themselves.
My first choice was occupied by the time I decided so I went with Nicola for an hour. Very pretty young brunette. She was all around great. She pretty much let me do whatever I wanted for the whole hour and worked her ass off (literally) while I took forever to finish. Imbibed a little too much ahead of the visit, I really got to watch that. We did about every act and position possible in that hour. No anal, I didn't try. I played a little with the back door but she didn't seem to into it so I decided not to push it.
I definitely recommend Tangara. I would still like to try Elas Massagems and if I still can't get a flight out tonight I will check them out tomorrow.
HarvestBoi
12-15-18, 22:41
Slightly spooky part is once you have their phone number, Instagram will somehow suggest you follow them. Found out that way that my Scandalo girl got engaged two weeks after our little soire! And one of them is just so beautiful I love to follow her beach and nightclub adventures. I let her know and she doesn't seem to mind.Welll IG is how NBA ballers and other rich / famous guys get laid. Maybe it's time we get access to that level too.
But keeping your mongering identity separate from your 'real' one is going to be increasingly unrealistic. For us and for them. Rather than separate IDs I think we just need a cyber 'zone of privacy' or we have to tell people if you don't want to know, then don't look.
But I this poses a question for those old Brazil hands: would a top line GDP who gets married expect her new husband to take her out of the business, would some working be tolerated (regulars etc.) or would the guy know the score from the jump?
AltoBomGosto
12-15-18, 23:38
Today I went to Tangara, 9 new girls arrived today from BH, Kiara, Isis, Luara, and Lua are the best looking and best performance IMO.
When I left there were 29 girls in the house.
ABG.
Member #4587
12-15-18, 23:48
Today I went to Tangara, 9 new girls arrived today from BH, Kiara, Isis, Luara, and Lua are the best looking and best performance IMO.
When I left there were 29 girls in the house.
ABG.If 9 new girls arrived today and you claim that 4 of them have a best performance beside the look, did you tried all 9 of them today to claim so?
HarvestBoi
12-16-18, 01:47
I saw isis at the lineup but did not go with her. She is 9/9. 5. Beautiful girl and ABG says she is good service. She is as good looking as many at scandallo and for a fraction of the cost. Good looking girls everywhere here. For every taste.
Today I went to Tangara, 9 new girls arrived today from BH, Kiara, Isis, Luara, and Lua are the best looking and best performance IMO.
When I left there were 29 girls in the house.
ABG.
Member #4732
12-16-18, 02:42
Today being Sunday Elas Massagens wasn't open and I had plenty of time so I headed to Tangara. Really nice lineup in that place. I thought it interesting how the girls kind of walk in and give some of the guys a peck on the cheek. Others they skip right over. It was like they were doing a little selecting themselves..Haha, you are confused. Today is Saturday not Sunday.
Re the peck on the cheek at TG. I believe that is just a consequence of the "staggered" presentation flow. Patrons sit in the salon and the girls who are free come in and peck everyone they have not already pecked that day. As girls free up they will come out and do the same. The result is a semi chaotic looking presentation that you observed. It appears chaotic but there is an underlying order. Sort of like all Brazil.
Steve 9696
12-16-18, 08:17
I saw isis at the lineup but did not go with her. She is 9/9. 5. Beautiful girl and ABG says she is good service. She is as good looking as many at scandallo and for a fraction of the cost. Good looking girls everywhere here. For every taste.As has been said, you can find a Scandalo quality girl at Tangara or Casarao. My Casarao girl Carolina — who is clearly Scandalo quality — said she prefers going a couple times at Casarao rather than whale fishing at Scandalo. So it's not about the girls per se (though you have to troll less at some venues vs others).
You are buying the experience. Tangara is a bit rundown and it's pick and go. I prefer the king of the world experience and the flirting and simulated chase. Right now I am in a part of the world where it's the peck on the cheek lineup and pick one and I really miss the Scandalo (Fazendinha) night club experience. Not that I won't pick one and go have a great time. LOL.
AltoBomGosto
12-16-18, 09:23
If 9 new girls arrived today and you claim that 4 of them have a best performance beside the look, did you tried all 9 of them today to claim so?I only went with ISIS.
Agree. Some guys here make it sound like there are 2 mutually exclusive groups of garotas, the clinica garotas and the boate garotas. A casual reader might think that the clinica garotas are not pretty enough to work in the boates and that somehow the boate is the major league and the clinica the minor league. Nothing could be further from the truth. Its a ven diagram with a lot of overlap, and a lot of movement.
I return to my major point, its an apples and oranges discussion vis boates and clinicas, large space vs small space, high price vs low price, large selection vs small selection, night vs day, socialize vs line up, take out option vs in house only. Lots of differences, and looks are just one.
Put it this way, if you want to fuck a lot, go to one or several clinicas and do an hour with several different girls, or double up, triple up with one hottie. If you want to flirt a lot, go to the boate. So its fuck vs flirt & fuck. Both are fun, both are accessible, you can even do both in the same day.There ya go!
This guy Rovnak knows what he's talking about!
I know girls who work them all; high end (Cafe Photo), mid range (Casarao), and even the low end (the buildings).
HarvestBoi
12-16-18, 16:02
The flirt part is why I like the boites. As I am getting bury my face one last time into the buttery goodness of my babyfat tawny favorite, I reflect that a lot of guys would look at her and go meh. It took me 48 hours to zero in on her as the one but I've been walking around in a erotic haze since. If I had run into her at a clinica I'the not given her a second glance.
I have pussy brain. Yesterday after leaving the festa from Lush Motel, where I spent 4 hours buried in some of the best bunda in Brazil. The garotas offer to give me a ride to my apartment. I'm so fogged out from the sex that I leave my passport card in the back seat! Dangerous nonsense! But no worries, she is very cool, zaps me this morning and now we are having a repeat (2 hours) before I catch my plane.
HarvestBoi
12-16-18, 16:15
As a monger, I am that is. Things have to be juuuuuust riiiight for me to really get off. I have got some kinky tastes. I'm sitting in Bomboa, and I'm there to just check the scene, maybe even not take a garotta as I'm a bit fucked out. But this mulatta with a gorgeous rosto is hovering there and I invite her to sit with me while I order a steak and a glass of Malbec. Pretty soon I have my fingers playing with her pussy while I'm eating. The aroma adds a priceless, wonderful savor to the meat.
Off to the room. The body has some baby damage and her tits aren't as firm as they looked like in the dress but she cheerfully indulges my tastes for an hour. 600 reals. Goes my name of Kimberly Brazil.
I liked Bomboa and would go again. Smaller than scandallo. The chicas when I showed up at 8 was a bit thin but after my session the lineup looked like it was filling out nicely. I also liked the vibe of a live band and it seemed like it could be a nice place to just hang. I'd be going every week if it were nearer home.
HarvestBoi
12-16-18, 16:37
I've only made one trip to Medellin and one to SP but here's my input.
Strip Clubs with putas, like Face Dos don't really exist here. At the top end clubs, the girl keeps her clothes on. Quality is same or better. Personally, I'the give the nod to SP over Medellin for 2 reasons: first the diversity of chicas and looks in Sampa is great. It's the whole rainbow. There all types, European beauties, Black honeys, asians mixed with natives. When I was in Colombia, after a few days I found myself craving something different than the standard paisa look. Second, the service levels, humor and good vibe of the chicks I've met here is unrivaled.
If you feel comfortable in Medellin I don't see why you wouldn't feel safe here. Sampa is a much bigger city (Medellin always seems like a country too big) so it's edgier, faster but I never felt in any danger.
I've heard that SP is the center of mongering in South America. And I've been to Colombia several times and have really enjoyed Medellin. But I'm now on a trip in Medellin and I think I've somewhat exhausted the scene. I'm a huge fan of La Isla (for those who've been) and have heard that SP has comparable strip clubs to that world-class quality. But have also heard great things about the clinicas. I'm RTFF but would be very appreciative of the veteran summary. Particularly as to those who can speak about the difference between Colombia & Brazil (specifically Medellin vs. Sao Paulo). I've also heard that with the current political / social climate that it's a bit more dangerous to visit than usual. But that doesn't concern me. Should it?
My favorite mongering destinations thus far have been Medellin (La Isla, Fase II, Energy, New Life, Loutron) and Germany (the FKK scene to me is the best I've experienced to date) - I've heard that if you like FKK you must visit the Termas. But I've heard most of the Termas are in Rio, is that true?
Cheers!.
Member #4732
12-16-18, 16:48
As a monger, I am that is. Things have to be juuuuuust riiiight for me to really get off. I have got some kinky tastes. I'm sitting in Bomboa, and I'm there to just check the scene, maybe even not take a garotta as I'm a bit fucked out. But this mulatta with a gorgeous rosto is hovering there and I invite her to sit with me while I order a steak and a glass of Malbec. Pretty soon I have my fingers playing with her pussy while I'm eating. The aroma adds a priceless, wonderful savor to the meat.
Off to the room. The body has some baby damage and her tits aren't as firm as they looked like in the dress but she cheerfully indulges my tastes for an hour. 600 reals. Goes my name of Kimberly Brazil.
I liked Bomboa and would go again. Smaller than scandallo. The chicas when I showed up at 8 was a bit thin but after my session the lineup looked like it was filling out nicely. I also liked the vibe of a live band and it seemed like it could be a nice place to just hang. I'd be going every week if it were nearer home.I agree with your assessment of Bomboa. I have written many times that atmosphere-wise Bomboa is by far my favorite boate. The only thing Scandalo has over Bomboa is MORE garotas. On every other attribute Bomboa wins in my book, its better it, it has better music, its luxurious without being gaudy. Scandalo is Brazil doing Vegas. Bomboa has a 100% Brasilian feel to it. Everything from the waiters, to the decor, to the music. It is light and airy whereas Scandalo is dark and cold. Bomboa is wood and velvet and simple lighting, while Scandalo is glass and metal and laser. I love the Bomboa vibe. And they have TVs playing football games all the time. I love how I can sit at the bar and see ALL of the ladies pass by. I do not have to wander about through the crowd as one does at Scandalo because at Scandalo its spread out and so dark you can't see anyone across the room.
Sigh. If only Bomboa had the ladies. They used to have over 100 on good nights. I do not know what their current count is on Wed and Thursday, the traditional big nights.
There ya go!
This guy Rovnak knows what he's talking about!
I know girls who work them all; high end (Cafe Photo), mid range (Casarao), and even the low end (the buildings).You guys are also forgetting the Twitter group.
There are quite a few who simply won't do the club, clinica route and rely exclusively on Twitter. You'd be surprised at how beautiful and cost effective they can be. Especially, if you are looking for a nice evening or lunch out.
As a newbie, who is planning his first trip to SP in six months, the conversation between HB and Rovnak is extremely helpful. I'm getting a deeper understanding of the monger scene. Thank you both.
(I don't see a thanks button on the forum or I would use that instead.).
I've heard that SP is the center of mongering in South America. And I've been to Colombia several times and have really enjoyed Medellin. But I'm now on a trip in Medellin and I think I've somewhat exhausted the scene. I'm a huge fan of La Isla (for those who've been) and have heard that SP has comparable strip clubs to that world-class quality. But have also heard great things about the clinicas. I'm RTFF but would be very appreciative of the veteran summary. Particularly as to those who can speak about the difference between Colombia & Brazil (specifically Medellin vs. Sao Paulo). I've also heard that with the current political / social climate that it's a bit more dangerous to visit than usual. But that doesn't concern me. Should it?
My favorite mongering destinations thus far have been Medellin (La Isla, Fase II, Energy, New Life, Loutron) and Germany (the FKK scene to me is the best I've experienced to date) - I've heard that if you like FKK you must visit the Termas. But I've heard most of the Termas are in Rio, is that true?
Cheers!I've been to Medellin 20+ times, did La Isla, Fase Dos, Energy, Centro casas, and mostly FB chicks the last few years. I've also been to Sampa early this year, Rio multiple times.
IMO, SP clubs are of higher quality. If you compare the top clubs, La Isla and Scandallo, it's a no contest. Scandallo has more and better eye candy. Plus, I think that the Brasileiras are better in bed. They seem to insist on having a good time as well. The Paisas less so, unless they know you well.
But keeping your mongering identity separate from your 'real' one is going to be increasingly unrealistic. For us and for them. Rather than separate IDs I think we just need a cyber 'zone of privacy' or we have to tell people if you don't want to know, then don't look.How does that work? I won't be posting photos on IG, but can you restrict your back home contacts from seeing your other contacts on Whatsapp and IG.
But I this poses a question for those old Brazil hands: would a top line GDP who gets married expect her new husband to take her out of the business, would some working be tolerated (regulars etc.) or would the guy know the score from the jump?If a foreigner married the girl, he better get her out of Brazil ASAP. I don't know how locals keep these girls out of the game unless they have beaucoup bucks to pay them to stay home and wait for them. I'm sure some of the true hotties marry into comfort and like many women want a family.
Member #4732
12-16-18, 23:01
You guys are also forgetting the Twitter group.
There are quite a few who simply won't do the club, clinica route and rely exclusively on Twitter. You'd be surprised at how beautiful and cost effective they can be. Especially, if you are looking for a nice evening or lunch out.Not forgetting really. I have made several long posts within the last few months about the risk reward of meeting up with free-lance escorts. Actually, I wrote in the current thread that my sweet spot is scheduling in home visits with "free". Free as in free-lance which is how people talk in Brasil.
Its not just twitter, there are a bunch on tinder and my go to escort site of choice photoacompanhantes.com.
I've been to Medellin 20+ times, did La Isla, Fase Dos, Energy, Centro casas, and mostly FB chicks the last few years. I've also been to Sampa early this year, Rio multiple times.
IMO, SP clubs are of higher quality. If you compare the top clubs, La Isla and Scandallo, it's a no contest. Scandallo has more and better eye candy. Plus, I think that the Brasileiras are better in bed. They seem to insist on having a good time as well. The Paisas less so, unless they know you well.Wow. That's very compelling. Particularly because you know the Medellin scene so well. I love the Paisas and Medellin as a city has my heart because of its uniqueness and beauty. But Brazil has been calling my name and it sounds like it's a level up from Medellin. It's hard for me to imagine that Scandallo is that much better than La Isla (as I love La Isla) - but it sounds like I need to get enlightened in Sao Paulo! LOL. Are there other spots in Sao Paulo that you would rate as highly as Scandallo? Is it a similar situation as La Isla where there are rooms on-site to take the chicas too. Or is it a select and take home type of deal? I appreciate your insight Lefeu!
Thanks HB. Curious as to why you've only made one trip to both Medellin and SP. Did you not enjoy? Interesting that the girls keep their clothes on. So is it more of a scene like LVD in Cartagena where it's a regular club? What about at the Termas? I do like the Fase Dos setup where you can actually look at the women without clothes on (or in a bikini) to really see what's underneath the clothes.
The point on diversity is great. That sounds amazing to have that kind of diversity on hand. I don't know that there's a place in the world that features the diversity you just outlined. That in itself is a reason to visit!
I've only made one trip to Medellin and one to SP but here's my input.
Strip Clubs with putas, like Face Dos don't really exist here. At the top end clubs, the girl keeps her clothes on. Quality is same or better. Personally, I'the give the nod to SP over Medellin for 2 reasons: first the diversity of chicas and looks in Sampa is great. It's the whole rainbow. There all types, European beauties, Black honeys, asians mixed with natives. When I was in Colombia, after a few days I found myself craving something different than the standard paisa look. Second, the service levels, humor and good vibe of the chicks I've met here is unrivaled.
If you feel comfortable in Medellin I don't see why you wouldn't feel safe here. Sampa is a much bigger city (Medellin always seems like a country too big) so it's edgier, faster but I never felt in any danger.
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HarvestBoi
12-18-18, 08:52
Let me try and answer your question this way, since SHOW always beats TELL.
Check out this twitter feed from this sommelier of busceta:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AndarilhoGPGUIA?lang=en
If you find girls like this attractive, then what I can tell you after being in Brazil for 2 weeks is this is REALLY THEM, you will find this quality at Scandallos, and I assume (but didn't have time to check out) also the "freegirls" that Rovnik mentions.
I only went to Fase Dos and Luna Lunera when I was in MDE, so can't compare but after 10 days, I got tired of the paisa look, as hot as it was initially. I haven't been to LDV, or Vive in Madrid, (next on my list). I was going to say that Scandallos seemed less 'sharky' to me but how the fuck should I know if I haven't been there. All nightclub set ups with hot girls will tend to breed sharks, but no worse than other scenes I've been in. Thermas are only in Rio & are more like FKK.
A lot depends on the style that gets you off. I like to zero in on a target over an hour or so. I like the expensive dresses, shoes, makeup etc.
Thanks HB. Curious as to why you've only made one trip to both Medellin and SP. Did you not enjoy? Interesting that the girls keep their clothes on. So is it more of a scene like LVD in Cartagena where it's a regular club? What about at the Termas? I do like the Fase Dos setup where you can actually look at the women without clothes on (or in a bikini) to really see what's underneath the clothes.
The point on diversity is great. That sounds amazing to have that kind of diversity on hand. I don't know that there's a place in the world that features the diversity you just outlined. That in itself is a reason to visit!
FRobertson
12-18-18, 12:23
What about at the Termas? I second that question.
Also to other Sampa visitors, is that city safe to walk alone in? Or rather, what parts of town would be safe for that (as in, walk a few blocks to a fruit market and coffee).
I second that question.
Also to other Sampa visitors, is that city safe to walk alone in? Or rather, what parts of town would be safe for that (as in, walk a few blocks to a fruit market and coffee).Just in case that you are unaware, the termas set-up is in Rio. Yes, they are great fun especially for first-timers. Someone here might have recent termas experiences to compare to SP.
You can certainly walk around alone in the nicer areas where visitors typically stay Jardins, Itaim Bibi and Moema. There was a discussion thread a few months back regarding best neighborhoods to stay and walking (comment #8871-8902). Linha 5 (Line) through Moema on the Metro is now connected to the Blue (1) and Green (2) lines so that is now academic.
I'm kind of cautious in Brazil. I don't walk around after sunset and uber door-to-door. It's also smart to walk where there are many people.
FRobertson
12-18-18, 18:59
Just in case that you are unaware, the termas set-up is in Rio. Yes, they are great fun especially for first-timers. Someone here might have recent termas experiences to compare to SP.
You can certainly walk around alone in the nicer areas where visitors typically stay Jardins, Itaim Bibi and Moema. There was a discussion thread a few months back regarding best neighborhoods to stay and walking (comment #8871-8902). Linha 5 (Line) through Moema on the Metro is now connected to the Blue (1) and Green (2) lines so that is now academic.
I'm kind of cautious in Brazil. I don't walk around after sunset and uber door-to-door. It's also smart to walk where there are many people.OH thank you about the termas! I saw a few in Sampa but after your post I did further reading and discovered that they were gay hangouts.
As for Moema and Jardins, - I am very interested in the clinicas, not so much in the clubs. I understand there are many clinicas in Moema area, would that be best? I also found a hotel near Paraiso subway. Is that area much worse for walking and mongering? I'd hate to feel like I'm stuck in my hotel.
...It's hard for me to imagine that Scandallo is that much better than La Isla (as I love La Isla) - but it sounds like I need to get enlightened in Sao Paulo! LOL...Scandallo is bigger than La Isla and it definitely has more eye candy.
...Are there other spots in Sao Paulo that you would rate as highly as Scandallo? Is it a similar situation as La Isla where there are rooms on-site to take the chicas too. Or is it a select and take home type of deal? I appreciate your insight Lefeu!I checked Cafe Photo, and picked up a cutie from there, actually I ended up picking her friend as well for a 3-some. I found Cafe Photo a bit more formal and more stuffy. I much prefer Scandallo. I have yet to check out Bomboa and Casarấo.
Today I went to Tangara, 9 new girls arrived today from BH, Kiara, Isis, Luara, and Lua are the best looking and best performance IMO.
When I left there were 29 girls in the house.
ABG.Was at Tangara last Saturday night 12/15/18. Fucked Isadora in the ass, when I pulled out my dick I had a turd on it big enough to fill the condom when if I pulled it off and tied it off. You pay your money and you take your chances. But then what do you expect for BRL $100/ hora?
HarvestBoi
12-18-18, 23:16
It's also smart to walk where there are many people.That is key. And If you're going to walk around where there aren't a lot of people, do it during the day.
This is common sense in any big city.
Remember you aren't as much of a target as you feel you are. They see tourists every day. There are millions of middle class Paulistas. They are as concerned about their safety as you do about yours. Outside of a 1 km radius from my place I took Uber everywhere but felt totally comfortable walking around even late in the evening in Itami Bibi. One day I walked from the Hilton to clinica Brooklin for exercise but I'm not sure I'd do it at night. It's not a particularly bad area but there weren't a lot of others around.
Fucked Isadora in the ass, when I pulled out my dick I had a turd on it big enough to fill the condom when if I pulled it off and tied it off.When you drive the Hershey Highway, you have to expect some traffic once in awhile.
When you drive the Hershey Highway, you have to expect some traffic once in awhile.It's like I always say. If you're fucking lots of girls in the ass, then you're going to have to take some shit every once and a while. It's called a "[CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) chute" for a reason! Haha!
AltoBomGosto
12-19-18, 09:05
OH thank you about the termas! I saw a few in Sampa but after your post I did further reading and discovered that they were gay hangouts.
As for Moema and Jardins, - I am very interested in the clinicas, not so much in the clubs. I understand there are many clinicas in Moema area, would that be best? I also found a hotel near Paraiso subway. Is that area much worse for walking and mongering? I'd hate to feel like I'm stuck in my hotel.Paraíso station is a less sofisticsted neighborhood than Jardins and Moema. That's why the hotels are cheaper.
Buts nothing wrong with the área, you can go by metro till Ana Rosa station there you are close to Red Way, Yankin and Tangara. You can also comute to the Green Line and get down at Consolação, rua Augusta is in a walking distance. If you want to go to Moema just take the Green Line towards Vila Prudente, get down at Chácara Klabin and comute to the new line to Moema and Brooklin. Fell free to pm me if you need more information.
ABG.
AltoBomGosto
12-19-18, 09:26
Paraso station is a less sofisticsted neighborhood than Jardins and Moema. That's why the hotels are cheaper.
Buts nothing wrong with the rea, you can go by metro till Ana Rosa station there you are close to Red Way, Yankin and Tangara. You can also comute to the Green Line and get down at Consolao, rua Augusta is in a walking distance. If you want to go to Moema just take the Green Line towards Vila Prudente, get down at Chcara Klabin and comute to the new line to Moema and Brooklin. Fell free to pm me if you need more information.
ABG.P.S. I forgot to mention Espao Vergueiro on Av. Vergueiro 170,very close to the so Joaquim metr, it's a bar and they have 5 rooms for the action, open from 3 pm til 3 am. The place belongs to a Chinese Brasilian, speaks perfec English, least time I was there I saw around 12 girls.
The place has a bar and drinks are sold for honest prices.
Best time to arrive around 9 pm.
The name of the owner is Willian and the manager is Raissa, hostesses are Letícia and Carla.
ABG.
OH thank you about the termas! I saw a few in Sampa but after your post I did further reading and discovered that they were gay hangouts.
As for Moema and Jardins, - I am very interested in the clinicas, not so much in the clubs. I understand there are many clinicas in Moema area, would that be best? I also found a hotel near Paraiso subway. Is that area much worse for walking and mongering? I'd hate to feel like I'm stuck in my hotel.Paraiso is okay, but if it's not mentioned it's likely not a ideal location. Read the comment string I cited first. It was a very good (sometimes heated LOL) exchange that covers the things to think about when choosing a SP location.
While Jardim Paulista (in Jardins) might be hotel-centric with higher rates and Moema (many clinicas) has few hotel options, AirBnB makes all these neighborhoods available at reasonable rates. Uber and the subways bring these places closer so you can stay in one and easily visit another. A member recently discussed Itaim Bibi which is an area with plenty of restaurants and nightlife.
Since you jumped into a Sao Paulo thread asking about Puerto Vallarta without doing much research, I'm guessing you don't have a lot of patience for reading the forum. However, this comment string will (comments #8871-8902) answer a lot of questions.
HarvestBoi
12-19-18, 16:24
Bars like this are another option in the SP scene. ABG took me to Chanes, which is a similar scene. I was pretty shagged out so I didn't take anyone but there were good doable prospects. An introduction to the real SP, which you can't reallysay about the boites.
P.S. I forgot to mention Espao Vergueiro on Av. Vergueiro 170,very close to the so Joaquim metr, it's a bar and they have 5 rooms for the action, open from 3 pm til 3 am. The place belongs to a Chinese Brasilian, speaks perfec Enlglish, least time I was there I saw around 12 girls.
The place has a bar and drinks are sold for honest prices.
Best time to arrive around 9 pm.
The name of the owner is Willian and the manager is Raissa, hostesses are Letcia and Carla.
ABG.
FRobertson
12-19-18, 17:32
Since you jumped into a Sao Paulo thread asking about Puerto Vallarta without doing much research, I'm guessing you don't have a lot of patience for reading the forum. However, this comment string will (comments #8871-8902) answer a lot of questions.I do a lot of reading and I jumped into a Sao Paolo thread after first reading several Mexican and Colombian threads, as well as Panama, Ecuador, and smaller countries. What's difficult for me is to conceptualize the general "spirit" of the places without first being there (for example, it's a huge effort for me to even think about warm clothes if traveling from +20 c to +5 c, or from 0 c to +25 c. I've traveled much, I know what those temperature ranges feel like, but it's still very difficult to pack a warm coat when I don't feel like it).
So a senior member's perspective is invaluable because someone who has been to Mexico, Columbia, Buenos Aires, and Sao Paulo could very easily just "get" what I am looking for and "know" if it's here or not. Kinda like asking a tribe's elder for advice.
Yes I am reading through that comment string. Basically I've already made a decision to go to SP (thanks for all the responses! I got my tickets and visa, I'll be there around the New Year so I have that time to read through and prepare.
Also if you are going to be in SP around that time, I'd love to treat you to lunch / coffee / anything non-alcoholic.
AltoBomGosto
12-19-18, 22:00
Bars like this are another option in the SP scene. ABG took me to Chanes, which is a similar scene. I was pretty shagged out so I didn't take anyone but there were good doable prospects. An introduction to the real SP, which you can't reallysay about the boites.THE RIGHT SPELLING IS AS ABOVE, the corrector don't accept is on the text. Is pronounced Espasso.
Member #4732
12-20-18, 00:52
Paraiso is okay, but if it's not mentioned it's likely not a ideal location. Read the comment string I cited first. It was a very good (sometimes heated LOL) exchange that covers the things to think about when choosing a SP location.
While Jardim Paulista (in Jardins) might be hotel-centric with higher rates and Moema (many clinicas) has few hotel options, AirBnB makes all these neighborhoods available at reasonable rates. Uber and the subways bring these places closer so you can stay in one and easily visit another. A member recently discussed Itaim Bibi which is an area with plenty of restaurants and nightlife.
Since you jumped into a Sao Paulo thread asking about Puerto Vallarta without doing much research, I'm guessing you don't have a lot of patience for reading the forum. However, this comment string will (comments #8871-8902) answer a lot of questions.A forum member recently stayed at the Moema Times Square in Moema and I am pretty sure he was fine with it. There is no shortage of Hotels in Moema, I know of at least 5 clustered around the Moema Metro station. Some visitors have complained about airplane noise. That may be a showstopper for some. But if that is not a concern then there are multiple hotel options. I personally stayed at the Mercure Times Square for over a month 10 years ago and I never noticed any plane noise at all while I was in the building.
Member #4732
12-20-18, 01:03
OH thank you about the termas! I saw a few in Sampa but after your post I did further reading and discovered that they were gay hangouts.
As for Moema and Jardins, - I am very interested in the clinicas, not so much in the clubs. I understand there are many clinicas in Moema area, would that be best? I also found a hotel near Paraiso subway. Is that area much worse for walking and mongering? I'd hate to feel like I'm stuck in my hotel.I have lived in both Rio and SP. The "termas" are only in Rio but IMO the distinction is really a big deal about nothing unless you are really into taking a sauna. Otherwise, the only real difference is that in the termas the men change into a bathrobe and then hang out in the "bar" in their bathrobe. I cannot recall if the girls in the termas in Rio are still allowed to wear bikinis or not. Once upon a time the girls in the SP boates could wear bikinis but then they were forced to wear evening dress. I honestly don't recall if Rio termas still wear bikinis. I stopped noticing the differences be / t the termas and the boates after about the 2nd visit. The first time its a bit of a rush to wear a robe, it feels like a throwback to ancient Rome. But its really not a big deal. The termas in Rio are much smaller than the big boates in SP, the biggest termas 4 x 4 is probably 1/5 the size of scandalo or less. Scandalo is just huge. The termas are a bit cheaper though.
In summary, I would not go to Rio just to experience the "termas". I would go to Rio for other reasons, like wanting to see Rio, the beach, or because I wanted to see more mulatas, Rio tends to have more women of color.
AltoBomGosto
12-20-18, 12:28
I have lived in both Rio and SP. The "termas" are only in Rio but IMO the distinction is really a big deal about nothing unless you are really into taking a sauna. Otherwise, the only real difference is that in the termas the men change into a bathrobe and then hang out in the "bar" in their bathrobe. I cannot recall if the girls in the termas in Rio are still allowed to wear bikinis or not. Once upon a time the girls in the SP boates could wear bikinis but then they were forced to wear evening dress. I honestly don't recall if Rio termas still wear bikinis. I stopped noticing the differences be / t the termas and the boates after about the 2nd visit. The first time its a bit of a rush to wear a robe, it feels like a throwback to ancient Rome. But its really not a big deal. The termas in Rio are much smaller than the big boates in SP, the biggest termas 4 x 4 is probably 1/5 the size of scandalo or less. Scandalo is just huge. The termas are a bit cheaper though.
In summary, I would not go to Rio just to experience the "termas". I would go to Rio for other reasons, like wanting to see Rio, the beach, or because I wanted to see more mulatas, Rio tends to have more women of color.Rovnak, you are absolutely right, I also lived in Rio and SP, the Termas in Rio de Janeiro lost a lot as regarded to garotas.
But I have to admite that there are more and better mulatas in Rio.
I like more the CLínicas like Tangara in SP and BEL PRAZER In Rio.
Exuma Stealth
12-21-18, 16:51
I will be returning to Brazil the first week in January (big smile on my face), my first trip was to Rio in 2016 this trip I will be visiting Sao Paulo may go to Rio for one night. Can anyone provide me with names and address for clinicas and boates in the city. I will be staying at the Grand Hyatt so will be using uber and metros. Thanks for any help.
FRobertson
12-21-18, 23:10
So, I will be in SP on Dec 30 and then for a week or two after that.
What's a good way to get a girl for the New Year's eve + day? Maybe a non-pro, or a date, or something similar? What are the dating sites that a fat, old, ugly foreigner could peruse?
Steve 9696
12-22-18, 00:28
I will be returning to Brazil the first week in January (big smile on my face), my first trip was to Rio in 2016 this trip I will be visiting Sao Paulo may go to Rio for one night. Can anyone provide me with names and address for clinicas and boates in the city. I will be staying at the Grand Hyatt so will be using uber and metros. Thanks for any help.Scandalo, Bomboa, Casarao for Boates. Just google it. Key it right into Uber. Not challenging.
Exuma Stealth
12-22-18, 03:22
Scandalo, Bomboa, Casarao for Boates. Just google it. Key it right into Uber. Not challenging.Steve 9696 thanks for the respond but what the fuck am I using right now *******! How would I know what to look for if I don't at least have a name, I can use Google map from there so I can have a visual of the surrounding area I great memory that way. Again thanks for your help.
The "termas" are only in Rio but IMO the distinction is really a big deal about nothing unless you are really into taking a sauna.And whatever you do, don't get a massage at a termas no matter the price. What you will likely get is an older woman wiping warm oil and then warm water on your back. It's not really a massage, but rather a warm cleansing.
AltoBomGosto
12-22-18, 10:28
I will be returning to Brazil the first week in January (big smile on my face), my first trip was to Rio in 2016 this trip I will be visiting Sao Paulo may go to Rio for one night. Can anyone provide me with names and address for clinicas and boates in the city. I will be staying at the Grand Hyatt so will be using uber and metros. Thanks for any help.Clinica Tangara, rua Tangara 200 is a good option. Also Vani's Way, Red Way and clinica Yankin are good options. PM me for details.
ABG.
Maybe I'm an idiot but I walked Sampa at night, late at night. I would notice if anybody was following me. I walked to one of the true hip-hop / rap clubs in Sampa, about 2 mile walk from Pinheiros district which was where I was staying.You flew all the way to Brasil to listen to hippie hoppy / rap music? Next you're going to tell us you've never missed a Rock and' Rio! LMBAO!
Sao Paulo is better than Rio for mongering.
Kilt Shows.
There were a number of hot girls here. But pressure was on me as I was one of the first guys there early. After rejecting 2 dogs, I chose a short blonde. I booked a longer session with her. And I shouldn't have. Since the club is dark, I didn't see her nasty hairy legs. Also in 3 hours, she only gave me BBBJ once. And the session wasn't that great. She said she was 19. Maybe the inexperience was why she wasn't really that seductive. I wouldn't repeat. Although she did try to rip me off, and the guy at the front of the hotel part did refund me 100 reais after I showed him the google translate where we agreed on the price. It's of course no guarantee, but they do seem more fair towards men in Latin America than in the west. In the west (especially in places where it's illegal), girls will rip guys off and people will defend it, and the girls get away with it scott free.
Abbobora.
Massage parlor in Moema. It's OK. It's probably one of the better MP's there. They definitely had better looking women than any other MP I went to in Brazil. I chose a blonde, short tan girl. The action was good and she was nice. But I didn't like how she just awkwardly stared at me after the first pop. I would say we could've talked, but my Portuguese was a little weak, and she didn't speak English. Nice rooms, but the bed is low.
Cafe Photo.
Lots of hot girls here. Upscale looking place. I was unaware that the girls are not allowed to approach you here. But one approached me anyway and told me of this. Lots of white girls, and blondes. But I didn't like that they weren't allowed to approach, plus they laughed at me so I left.
Bahamas Club.
Went here on the first night. Some girls are hot, but most aren't. Staff is cool and one of the guys speaks English and will show you around. Facilities are top notch as they have a pool table, and a pool. I approached one girl for a game of pool. But she quit after I didn't buy her a drink. If she's going to be that rude, then I don't want her company anyway. At first only the dogs approached me. Not fair. It was like that for about 2 hours. Then finally a young white girl approached me for a session. 1 HR- 400 reais. She had a pretty open menu. But at one point I felt rushed during the session. One thing I hated was during mish, she used her feet to push me away! Strange. I have never had any woman use her feet to push me away during sex. I would've talked to her about it, but my Portuguese wasn't strong enough and I didn't want to use google translate for that. After it was over, we had at least 20 minutes left, but I was so mad about her pushing me away, I just left. I regret not complaining about it before I left. I don't know her name. She was a young, thin white girl with black hair.
I went back again and didn't have a session this time. There was a hot brunette who I tried to make a deal with for a longer session. I was going to take her back to my hotel. But the deal breaker was she would not negotiate at all. I thought this was Brazil? She said 1200 reais. I said 1000. No. Then I said 1100. No. Since she wouldn't budge at all, I gave it a miss. The hot voluptuous blonde was stuck up and made no effort with me. Aside from that only ugly girls wanted me.
Zeus Bar.
Very close to Bahamas club in Moema, and the mall. English speaking host greeted me at the door and showed me the place. Not too many hotties there that night. Initially had my eye on an athletic Latina, but when she saw me, she gave me no play. I ended up doing a 3 some with a mixed Brazilian / Italian and a hot, young, Japanese woman with a nice body. The Italian girl spoke English too so she translated. The Japanese lady was darker and she was way hotter than the Italian / Brazilian girl. I regret not just doing the session with the Japanese girl. Also since I got 2 girls, they charged me double the hotel rate. I mentioned it later to management, and he said to call him. But when I called, there was no answer. So of course most of the action was with the Japanese lady, and it was good with her. But the downside was these girls only offered CBJ, so I skipped it. Also the Italian girl had a bad attitude. She was combative and liked to argue. I think she might ironically hate men a little bit too. I told her I'm from the USA Where this is illegal. And she said "hey maybe I should move there, because I won't have to have sex with the guy". She then bragged about how back in Italy, guys would pay just to talk to her. That trip was a fantasy for me. I'm from somewhere where it's illegal. And it's hard to get girls. That was cold and a little mean, and inconsiderate of her to say that to me. She also said that if you don't buy a drink for a girl, that means you don't appreciate her time. That's not true at all. So hundreds of dollars for just 1 hour isn't appreciative of your time? I hated her after that. She's blonde, spent time in Italy. If you run into this girl, dismiss her or run!
Connection.
This is a cool place. The driveway to their parking lot looks like something futuristic you'd only see in the movies. Big place too. They have a restaurant, 2 stages, and a place where you can gamble and play cards. After I rejected a few unattractive ones, a hot one finally talked to me. She spoke English too. A cute black girl with a nice body. I don't usually go for black girls, but she looked real good. You can tell she goes to the gym. The room is plain looking compared to the rest of the place. The session was good. Afterwards I wanted to see another girl, but to no avail. They didn't seem to want it as much as the first one. Plus 2 of the girls had hairy legs. They charged me 2 entry fees even though they weren't supposed to. I called and the manager said he will give me free entry next time. If I go back. I was actually planning to go back, but it didn't pan out.
Caster Club.
Big club atmosphere. No one here speaks english BTW. For the most part, the girls here don't look too good. I only saw a few I was interested in. And they left before I could talk to them. So I ended up leaving without a session.
With the quality of the mongering scene decreasing drastically in the west over the past 5 years or so, Brazil is probably now one of the better places in the world to do this. Although even there the quality has decreased over the past 10 years. Prices are higher now. Some of the ladies insist that you shower even if you showered before leaving the hotel (they didn't used to do that). And you used to could get overnight sessions for really cheap. 10 years ago, I had 2 or 3 overnight sessions for less than $400 usd. At least in Sao Paulo, it looks like you can't get that anymore. One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.
Sao Paulo is better than Rio for mongering.
10 years ago, I had 2 or 3 overnight sessions for less than $400 usd. At least in Sao Paulo, it looks like you can't get that anymore. One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.I take it you are black? So am I, but I speak Portuguese, my Portuguese is Carioca, so naturally the girls assume I'm a semi-literate Brasiliero. Until they ask where I'm from and I tell them EUA. Then I get compliments on my linguistic abilities. I'm somewhat of a cunnilinguist! My experiences have been some what the opposite in Sao Paulo. My company transferred me here almost 4 yrs ago. I've been approached by very few black girls here. I'm thinking it's a status symbol / ego booster for them to be seen with a white dude. Plus, I'm short and look young for my age. My added side note is when I'm in these places there's no doubt in my mind that I'm in the top 5% - 15% percentile as far a disposable income / liquid assets / net worth, but these people only see black and fall back on their biased upbringing. And I'm not just talking about white chicks. I sense an enormous amount of self-hate within the Afro-Brazilians. But then my preference is for those indigenous long dark haired types from the North with phat asses!
Smart move not buying the drinks, it's a scam. There are places that will charge BRL $ 30 - 100 for a Skol. In some low end establishments the girl can make almost as much off a drink as she can a program. What's up with these Nippo-Brasileiras? I had a regular in Rio from Sao Paulo a few years back who had breasts and ass like a sister. Just goes to show what happens when you substitute rice and beans for sushi. IMHO: Brasil had the widest pussy (pun intended) variety spectrum on Earth! I've been in so many different varieties and ethnic variations of pussy here I probably have the knowledge equivalent of a Doctorate in Philosophy in Genetics from MIT & for less the tuition costs!
Ten years ago USD $ 400 could get you a live-in babe in Rio for a week. Plus she'd cook, clean, fuck, suck, do your laundry, and still show you the nightlife. I concur on your assessment that Sao Paulo tops Rio. As far the girl pushing you away with her feet and the non negotiable ones, you need to factor in these women have no concept of customer service and client base building. IMHO; their objective is immediate gratification, their "marketing plan," is "smash and grab" as opposed to establishing a base of steady regulars. All they see is how much $$$ they can make off the guy they're talking to at the moment. Many travel from all over Brasil, they migrate between clubs in Rio & SP and points in between, and have no intentions of being back at that particular spot anytime soon. You've probably noticed that the turnover is very high.
I find that it's advantageous to try to determine if she's just a college girl trying to make her rent note or is she a dedicated pro. That in my opinion is the best barometer for good service. If she's a college girl I usually get the number and try to stay in touch. Dedicated pros are always around, takes minimal effort to find them.
Cheers!
Member #4587
12-26-18, 14:03
I've been approached by very few black girls here. I'm thinking it's a status symbol / ego booster for them to be seen with a white dude. Plus, I'm short and look young for my age. My added side note is when I'm in these places there's no doubt in my mind that I'm in the top 5% - 15% percentile as far a disposable income / liquid assets / net worth, but these people only see black and fall back on their biased upbringing. And I'm not just talking about white chicks. I sense an enormous amount of self-hate within the Afro-Brazilians. So, there is one thing more important and above the money? Race? Does not matter if poor, as long as white? I have not noticed that Brazilian or any other females like poor white dudes. Do you expect that belonging to 5-15% must be an asset to get more attention for the females regardless of the color of the skin as "money talks, bullshit walks"? Self-hate because of they are just black or more with a limited opportunities that this brings along with? Ice-T told me (personally) once that US blacks use a "and" word to get over to their historical past. He did not presumed how long that will take.
Probably lesser time than 13% of the US inhabitants reduce their share of the crimes from 90% of total to 13%.
Although even there the quality has decreased over the past 10 years. Prices are higher now. Some of the ladies insist that you shower even if you showered before leaving the hotel (they didn't used to do that). And you used to could get overnight sessions for really cheap. 10 years ago, I had 2 or 3 overnight sessions for less than $400 usd. At least in Sao Paulo, it looks like you can't get that anymore. One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.I'm not exactly sure what happened to the infamous overnighter. In the 2000's, it was still very common. Sometimes the girls would sleep over / fuck you in the morning without whole lot of conversation. Call it a vibe thing that just occurred naturally with club girls or clinica/terma girls that you called after hours. The Brasileiras, while not being clockwatchers, are now more transactional.
I've traveled with buddies and witnessed the preferences. Being tall, blonde, handsome with light eyes made one a golden ticket (no pun) with the working girls. That's just the way it is.
One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.I have never experienced this in Brazil. I routinely am not approached by the few Afro-Brazilian girls that I see, and that's just fine with me because I'm not interested for the most part LOL! I go for the brancas and the morenas, and I did not have any problems in Rio or Sampa with either of those groups. The one rare time that I can recall being approached by an Afro-Brazilian girl was at Monte Carlo in Rio. I remember it because the situation was kind of funny to me. I was sitting in the boite and she came and sat next to me to make a move. Well, this really hot, bubble butt branca (my weakness) had the audacity to come and sit right in between us! Pissed the black girl off something good LOL! Oh, I remember a time at Termas 65 too. She asked me what I liked and I told her and no problems. She was cool and moved on to the next one. That's how it should be. Although, I did have a morena at 4 X 4 ask me why I was coming to Brazil "fucking all those white girls" LOL!
In Sao Paulo, of course at the clinicas it's not a matter of getting approached. The girls are presented to you one by one, and you choose. Now, in the night clubs it's another matter. At Bomboa, I was repeatedly approached by nothing but brancas and a few morenas. The place is mostly brancas, and I don't even recall seeing any negras in there. At Scandalo, I saw only one negra there. And, it was the kind of place where it wasn't so much about approaching as it was two people catching each other's eye and smiling, and sort of a mutual thing. You know? The place is so big. But when I did see somebody I had to have, I approached and no problem. Beautiful, tanned, dark-haired, caramel complected morenas. Milk white brancas with blue eyes and blonde hair. Got approached by a morena popozuda up in there LOL! I found Cafe Photo to be a place where a lot of girls did not approach. But, that just seemed to be more of the vibe of that place. But, I saw somebody I liked and approached her no problems. Squeezing and kneading on that big, phat, branca fanny in the club LOLOLOL! Yes sir! Went to another lesser known place and had a pretty, big booty white girl (the one in the clothed pic) straddle my lap face first in the club. We kissed so hard and so deep and so long that she literally gave me a hickey of the tongue hahaha! And that was before going to the room!
I don't know. I've just had zero problems getting what I want in Brazil, and have not had to work too hard at it with either the brancas or morenas. I'd say I'm an OK looking guy. Girls tend to find me "cute" and "smart-looking" LOL! That's what they tells me. And I look quite young for my age. One morena told me that I look Brazilian, whatever that means. Maybe that has something to do with it? I don't know. But not complaining. It is what it is! Hope it works better for you next time my man. I always get what I want in Brazil, including plenty of interracial anal! Hahaha! Yep, yep! LOLOLOL!
Steve 9696
12-26-18, 20:21
Sao Paulo is better than Rio for mongering.
Kilt Shows.
There were a number of hot girls here. But pressure was on me as I was one of the first guys there early. After rejecting 2 dogs, I chose a short blonde. I booked a longer session with her. And I shouldn't have. Since the club is dark, I didn't see her nasty hairy legs. Also in 3 hours, she only gave me BBBJ once. And the session wasn't that great. She said she was 19. Maybe the inexperience was why she wasn't really that seductive. I wouldn't repeat. Although she did try to rip me off, and the guy at the front of the hotel part did refund me 100 reais after I showed him the google translate where we agreed on the price. It's of course no guarantee, but they do seem more fair towards men in Latin America than in the west. In the west (especially in places where it's illegal), girls will rip guys off and people will defend it, and the girls get away with it scott free.
Abbobora.
Massage parlor in Moema. It's OK. It's probably one of the better MP's there. They definitely had better looking women than any other MP I went to in Brazil. I chose a blonde, short tan girl. The action was good and she was nice. But I didn't like how she just awkwardly stared at me after the first pop. I would say we could've talked, but my Portuguese was a little weak, and she didn't speak English. Nice rooms, but the bed is low.
Cafe Photo.
Lots of hot girls here. Upscale looking place. I was unaware that the girls are not allowed to approach you here. But one approached me anyway and told me of this. Lots of white girls, and blondes. But I didn't like that they weren't allowed to approach, plus they laughed at me so I left.
Bahamas Club.
Went here on the first night. Some girls are hot, but most aren't. Staff is cool and one of the guys speaks English and will show you around. Facilities are top notch as they have a pool table, and a pool. I approached one girl for a game of pool. But she quit after I didn't buy her a drink. If she's going to be that rude, then I don't want her company anyway. At first only the dogs approached me. Not fair. It was like that for about 2 hours. Then finally a young white girl approached me for a session. 1 HR- 400 reais. She had a pretty open menu. But at one point I felt rushed during the session. One thing I hated was during mish, she used her feet to push me away! Strange. I have never had any woman use her feet to push me away during sex. I would've talked to her about it, but my Portuguese wasn't strong enough and I didn't want to use google translate for that. After it was over, we had at least 20 minutes left, but I was so mad about her pushing me away, I just left. I regret not complaining about it before I left. I don't know her name. She was a young, thin white girl with black hair.
I went back again and didn't have a session this time. There was a hot brunette who I tried to make a deal with for a longer session. I was going to take her back to my hotel. But the deal breaker was she would not negotiate at all. I thought this was Brazil? She said 1200 reais. I said 1000. No. Then I said 1100. No. Since she wouldn't budge at all, I gave it a miss. The hot voluptuous blonde was stuck up and made no effort with me. Aside from that only ugly girls wanted me.
Zeus Bar.
Very close to Bahamas club in Moema, and the mall. English speaking host greeted me at the door and showed me the place. Not too many hotties there that night. Initially had my eye on an athletic Latina, but when she saw me, she gave me no play. I ended up doing a 3 some with a mixed Brazilian / Italian and a hot, young, Japanese woman with a nice body. The Italian girl spoke English too so she translated. The Japanese lady was darker and she was way hotter than the Italian / Brazilian girl. I regret not just doing the session with the Japanese girl. Also since I got 2 girls, they charged me double the hotel rate. I mentioned it later to management, and he said to call him. But when I called, there was no answer. So of course most of the action was with the Japanese lady, and it was good with her. But the downside was these girls only offered CBJ, so I skipped it. Also the Italian girl had a bad attitude. She was combative and liked to argue. I think she might ironically hate men a little bit too. I told her I'm from the USA Where this is illegal. And she said "hey maybe I should move there, because I won't have to have sex with the guy". She then bragged about how back in Italy, guys would pay just to talk to her. That trip was a fantasy for me. I'm from somewhere where it's illegal. And it's hard to get girls. That was cold and a little mean, and inconsiderate of her to say that to me. She also said that if you don't buy a drink for a girl, that means you don't appreciate her time. That's not true at all. So hundreds of dollars for just 1 hour isn't appreciative of your time? I hated her after that. She's blonde, spent time in Italy. If you run into this girl, dismiss her or run!
Connection.
This is a cool place. The driveway to their parking lot looks like something futuristic you'd only see in the movies. Big place too. They have a restaurant, 2 stages, and a place where you can gamble and play cards. After I rejected a few unattractive ones, a hot one finally talked to me. She spoke English too. A cute black girl with a nice body. I don't usually go for black girls, but she looked real good. You can tell she goes to the gym. The room is plain looking compared to the rest of the place. The session was good. Afterwards I wanted to see another girl, but to no avail. They didn't seem to want it as much as the first one. Plus 2 of the girls had hairy legs. They charged me 2 entry fees even though they weren't supposed to. I called and the manager said he will give me free entry next time. If I go back. I was actually planning to go back, but it didn't pan out.
Caster Club.
Big club atmosphere. No one here speaks english BTW. For the most part, the girls here don't look too good. I only saw a few I was interested in. And they left before I could talk to them. So I ended up leaving without a session.
With the quality of the mongering scene decreasing drastically in the west over the past 5 years or so, Brazil is probably now one of the better places in the world to do this. Although even there the quality has decreased over the past 10 years. Prices are higher now. Some of the ladies insist that you shower even if you showered before leaving the hotel (they didn't used to do that). And you used to could get overnight sessions for really cheap. 10 years ago, I had 2 or 3 overnight sessions for less than $400 usd. At least in Sao Paulo, it looks like you can't get that anymore. One problem I do have with Brazil is it seems that many of the white Brazilian girls don't approach black guys. Not all. Some of them do. And it's irritating that many black girls constantly approach black guys. People need to get it through their thick heads. Not everyone just wants to date or fuck within racial lines.What a very odd list. No Scandalo? Bamboa? Casarao? Tangara even? This seems like the laundry list of places never discussed on ISG. If your intent was to TOFTT then thank you! But if your intent was to sample the best on offer then you did pretty much the opposite. Still if that was better than Rio I am glad I skipped Rio!
Member #4587
12-26-18, 21:11
So, there is one thing more important and above the money? Race? Does not matter if poor, as long as white? I have not noticed that Brazilian or any other females like poor white dudes. Do you expect that belonging to 5-15% must be an asset to get more attention for the females regardless of the color of the skin as "money talks, bullshit walks"? Self-hate because of they are just black or more with a limited opportunities that this brings along with? Ice Cube told me(personally)once that US blacks use a "n" word to get over to their historical past. He did not presumed how long that will take.
Probably lesser time than 13% of the US inhabitants reduce their share of the crimes from 90% of total to 13%.Sorry, Ice Cube not Ice-T.
So, there is one thing more important and above the money? Race? Does not matter if poor, as long as white? I have not noticed that Brazilian or any other females like poor white dudes. Do you expect that belonging to 5-15% must be an asset to get more attention for the females regardless of the color of the skin as "money talks, bullshit walks"? Self-hate because of they are just black or more with a limited opportunities that this brings along with? Ice-T told me (personally) once that US blacks use a "and" word to get over to their historical past. He did not presumed how long that will take.
Probably lesser time than 13% of the US inhabitants reduce their share of the crimes from 90% of total to 13%.I made the 5-15% remark in reference to my thinking that the girls don't think I can afford their rates. When they figure out I'm not Brazilian, pardon my pun, the complexion of the situation changes. The self hate remark is a response to my experiences with black bartenders / wait staff / store clerks & cashiers. I've been to restaurants and bars where the (black) wait staff will walk by me without taking my order, often times without even looking in my direction. When I call them over they are surprised that I want a beer or something to eat. Many assumed I'd just come in to use the free wi-fi. This has happened far too often to be coincidence. To quote Malcolm Nance, "coincidence takes a lot of planning. "
While shopping at a local mercado a (black) cashier literally snatched the money from my hand and gave me my change back without even a, "thank you for shopping, come again please. " But then I remembered she was cordial with the white patrons before me. Even had a situation where a (black) cashier short changed me BRL $ 10, when I corrected her math she was surprised that I wasn't Brazilian. My thoughts were she assumed I'd be too stupid to realise that she was short changing me. I don't think she'd of tried that on a white person.
Same mercado different (black) cashier, I was fourth in line with a cart full of groceries. If you've ever been shopping at a super mercado in Brasil, especially Sao Paulo, the line move slower than my grandma Lucy answering the doorbell. So I'm waiting a good 10 minutes, when it's my turn at the register the girl puts up the "fechado" sign and tells me it's time for her break. I'm thinking, "WTF!" So I leave my items in the cart and start to walk out. After getting a few feet away, I'm approached by a big fat (black) security guard (he's a foot taller and a good 150 lbs heavier) who tells me I have to go to another register in order to pay for my items. He adds, I can't leave until I return or pay for the items in my cart (which I'm sure is clearly not store policy because I've seen the employees restocking un-purchased items left at the registers). I tell him to, "kiss my ass," keeping him in my peripheral vision on the left as he follows me out, while I'm fingering the release knob on the folding knife clipped inside my front right blue jean pocket.
FYI: I no longer shop there, I walk the extra 5 minutes to another mercado near my flat.
Use of "nigger" to get over historical past? Please! Black people use the word "nigger" because white people have used it to denigrate us. When a black person uses it it somehow elevates them to a superior position (although, only psychologically) over the other black person he's directing it toward. It's used to minimise and degrade one's humanity. It's a schizophrenic word that when used (by a black person) allows them for that nanosecond to step out of their skin. And for that brief moment in time they are something other than what you've been brainwashed into thinking you are. They are them (white folks). To quote Pogo, "we have seen the enemy and it is us. " Just some run-of-the-mill brainwashing by the massa to divide and conquer.
My dad was in the military, we lived in France, England & Germany before moving to the USA when I was in 8th grade. It amazed me how poorly African-Americans treated each other as compared to my interactions with people of color in Europe in the 60's & early 70's. It reminded me later of that sociological experiment where you gradually increase the number of rats in a cage. At some point when the personal space and food resources begin to diminish. They start eating each other, that my friend is basis for my Brazilian black self hate reference.
Getting sociological / historical advice from Ice-T, now that's funny!
Cheers!
FRobertson
12-28-18, 18:28
Colleagues, I'm going to be in Sao Paulo for the New Year. What would be good places to celebrate? (with access to women, but not the noisy overpriced overcrowded night clubs. I hate those).
Also if anyone is in town I'm happy to meet, chat, and possibly team up for something.
If only my membership gets processed.
I'm not exactly sure what happened to the infamous overnighter. In the 2000's, it was still very common. Sometimes the girls would sleep over / fuck you in the morning without whole lot of conversation. Call it a vibe thing that just occurred naturally with club girls or clinica/terma girls that you called after hours. The Brasileiras, while not being clockwatchers, are now more transactional.
I've traveled with buddies and witnessed the preferences. Being tall, blonde, handsome with light eyes made one a golden ticket (no pun) with the working girls. That's just the way it is.Definitely depends on the girl and where you find them.
I generally stay away from the high (over) priced places and girls.
I've met plenty in both SP and Rio who love the overnight.
The difficult part is getting them to leave.
Same goes for the "transactional" you refer to.
The same high priced / over valued girls will generally be more like that, IMO.
HarvestBoi
12-28-18, 22:59
This gets us off the topic of pussy but I can't resist. One of my fascinations with Brasil is watching colorism in a non-US culture. Yet anybody who thinks that people Black people aren't treated differently in the western world is willfully looking away. I have a question: When does someone in Brasil go from mulato to negro? I bet hair texture is as important as skin tone. From my short time in SP, I thought I saw more mulatas with some African "blood" than I did what we would call Blacks here in the US, where the African phenotype dominates. Could be where I was (rich sampa) but is it also possible that black and white are allowed to fuck more and have kids in Brasil? In the US it's still pretty hard. So I guess it all comes down to pussy in the end LOL.
I made the 5-15% remark in reference to my thinking that the girls don't think I can afford their rates. When they figure out I'm not Brazilian, pardon my pun, the complexion of the situation changes. The self hate remark is a response to my experiences with black bartenders / wait staff / store clerks & cashiers. I've been to restaurants and bars where the (black) wait staff will walk by me without taking my order, often times without even looking in my direction. When I call them over they are surprised that I want a beer or something to eat. Many assumed I'd just come in to use the free wi-fi. This has happened far too often to be coincidence. To quote Malcolm Nance, "coincidence takes a lot of planning. "
While shopping at a local mercado a (black) cashier literally snatched the money from my hand and gave me my change back without even a, "thank you for shopping, come again please. " But then I remembered she was cordial with the white patrons before me. Even had a situation where a (black) cashier short changed me BRL $ 10, when I corrected her math she was surprised that I wasn't Brazilian. My thoughts were she assumed I'd be too stupid to realise that she was short changing me. I don't think she'd of tried that on a white person.
Same mercado different (black) cashier, I was fourth in line with a cart full of groceries. If you've ever been shopping at a super mercado in Brasil, especially Sao Paulo, the line move slower than my grandma Lucy answering the doorbell. So I'm waiting a good 10 minutes, when it's my turn at the register the girl puts up the "fechado" sign and tells me it's time for her break. I'm thinking, "WTF!" So I leave my items in the cart and start to walk out. After getting a few feet away, I'm approached by a big fat (black) security guard (he's a foot taller and a good 150 lbs heavier) who tells me I have to go to another register in order to pay for my items. He adds, I can't leave until I return or pay for the items in my cart (which I'm sure is clearly not store policy because I've seen the employees restocking un-purchased items left at the registers). I tell him to, "kiss my ass," keeping him in my peripheral vision on the left as he follows me out, while I'm fingering the release knob on the folding knife clipped inside my front right blue jean pocket.
FYI: I no longer shop there, I walk the extra 5 minutes to another mercado near my flat.
Use of "nigger" to get over historical past? Please! Black people use the word "nigger" because white people have used it to denigrate us. When a black person uses it it somehow elevates them to a superior position (although, only psychologically) over the other black person he's directing it toward. It's used to minimise and degrade one's humanity. It's a schizophrenic word that when used (by a black person) allows them for that nanosecond to step out of their skin. And for that brief moment in time they are something other than what you've been brainwashed into thinking you are. They are them (white folks). To quote Pogo, "we have seen the enemy and it is us. " Just some run-of-the-mill brainwashing by the massa to divide and conquer.
My dad was in the military, we lived in France, England & Germany before moving to the USA when I was in 8th grade. It amazed me how poorly African-Americans treated each other as compared to my interactions with people of color in Europe in the 60's & early 70's. It reminded me later of that sociological experiment where you gradually increase the number of rats in a cage. At some point when the personal space and food resources begin to diminish. They start eating each other, that my friend is basis for my Brazilian black self hate reference.
Getting sociological / historical advice from Ice-T, now that's funny!
Cheers!
HarvestBoi
12-28-18, 23:11
So my babyfat cutie from Scandallo proposes to have a festa with her and 2 of her friends at Lush Motel. She sends me photos of the friends. They look good. We book it for a 2-6 pm party. I should know better about these things. As Wyatt Earp says, they only rarely meet the expectation of your imagination, but I'the like to have the Brazilian love motel experience and I've been walking around in an erotic haze since my time with Babyfat. This happens when I'm around a girl who really does it for me, turns my brain to mush and I do some stupid things. Also, luxury to me means abundance. I love the feeling just being in the presence abundant hot ass.
After initially asking for a deposit (no babyfat, that isn't going to happen) we settle on 1500 Reals per girl for 4 hours. When I show at Lush, one girl has bailed, so now it's a dupla but the other girl is a statuesque (5'10) 28 year branca with a set of manmades and acres and acres of Brazilian bunda. I mean this girls ass started mid-way up her back and ended just above her knees practically. But firm too. Kim Kardasian is a good look alike but I think the pornstar Kelly Devine is as good a comparison, although this girl is prettier than KD. Get into the room which is quite nice, pool, bed, shower and all. The girls are into drinking beer, which is actually reasonable (9 reals I think) and food and get down to business. I'm already regretting my decision to have a festa. All I really want is to concentrate on babyfat and keep making love to that gorgeous backside and mouth. Kim K is not as compliant nor as good at DFK yet within a few minutes I have them out of their clothes, exploring their asses with my finger and mouth, DT them in various positions etc. KK gets a bit irritated with my attention concentrating on babyfat and she sort of becomes a pain in the ass. Yet as we are cavorting in the pool. There's nothing like burying my face in that ass as she climbs the ladder out of the pool, stopping halfway up to give me good access.
So its 4 hours of teasing, sucking, fingering and fucking (when I can manage it) in all the porno positions. Babyfat is down for almost anything, KK is more reserved and mechanical but at times we are all in the pool together and I'm swept away in an ocean of tits, ass, lips, mouths. Every time I start in on playing with babyfat's little brown asshole she murmurs "sua, sua", "yours, yours".
Expensive but something you got to do at least once. I could probably get pretty close to this at Tangara, for a third the price tho. Anyways on our way out, I they ask about a repeat and I evade because I think I want to just concentrate on babyfat as tomorrow is the last day of my trip and I want to talk babyfat into surrendering totally that sweet brown culo.
Circumstances had other plans however. More in Part 2.
Member #4732
12-28-18, 23:58
This gets us off the topic of pussy but I can't resist. One of my fascinations with Brasil is watching colorism in a non-US culture. Yet anybody who thinks that people Black people aren't treated differently in the western world is willfully looking away. I have a question: When does someone in Brasil go from mulato to negro? I bet hair texture is as important as skin tone. From my short time in SP, I thought I saw more mulatas with some African "blood" than I did what we would call Blacks here in the US, where the African phenotype dominates. Could be where I was (rich sampa) but is it also possible that black and white are allowed to fuck more and have kids in Brasil? In the US it's still pretty hard. So I guess it all comes down to pussy in the end LOL.The racial terms in Brazil are pretty fluid at the moment, as things are probably in transition due to cultural and political forces. We will probably see some terms falling out of favor and others rising depending on which way political correctness and social identity evolve. At this point its not quite clear how things will sort out. From a "census" perspective there are 5 categories: brancos, pretos, amarelos e indígenas and pardos = White, black, yellow (asian), idigenous and mixed.
Pardos which are colloquially subdivided into o mulata (descendentes de brancos e negros), cabocla (descendentes de brancos e ameríndios), cafuza (descendentes de negros e indígenas) ou mestiça (multi-ethnic. But generally used for mixes of asian and something else or indiginous and something else).
But not all of these terms are used equally in common speech. As you can see from the escort sites the most commonly used are branca, morena, negra, mulata, mestica and orientais (I. E. Asian).
Morena is a tricky one as it can either refer to hair color or skin tone or both. Morena clara refers to a brana with black hair. Morena jambo is brown skin, brown hair.
Mulata usually refers to brown / black skin with "straighter" hair and more "european" facial features. But this is a fuzzy thing because of hair straigtening, extensions, mega hair etc.
Negra usually means more "african" phenotype than mulata, but again this is fuzzy and personal.
A lot of this is very fluid. Some people self-identify differently than other people may see them. Some people of color prefer to be called "negro / a" than "mulata" others may prefer "moreno / a". I have had Brasileiras tell me "I am mulata, my brother is negro and my mom is branca, and my father is moreno" or some other combination.
As a non-Brazilian, scarred by the racial terminology wars in the USA I try to be cautious and respectful, so I either avoid using the terms or if I am in doubt I will use "morena" for any non-white situation as that is unlikely to be offensive, since "morena" is a very very broad term. When I say "when I am in doubt, I refer to cases where the person has not already self identified as one or other term. This is not an issue with online free lancers because they self-identify when they choose which category to be listed on the web site. Mulata and negra are more "specific" terms. But for example, I can say "eu adoro a beleza negra", "I like black beauty" without offending anyone (at least no one has claimed to be offended). The difference being that I am referring to the "kind of beauty" without "typing" the person directly.
From what I can gather, "mulata" may be the term that gets used less and less over time in the future as it has some connotations of the miscegination that is associated with the slavery period. But this is just a socialogical speculation on my part, as Brazil is subject to its own internal forces but also influenced by international, particularly American trends. The english word "black" is used in Brasil all the time but not for "people", rather there is "black music" (catchall term for are&be, soul and other american musics) and "black cabelo" (afro or natural hair style).
So its a very subtle issue, which may change by next year LOL. My advice is when in doubt use "morena".
HarvestBoi
12-29-18, 00:29
As I said I get pussy addled brain easily and when I do, I get sloppy. Don't think I'm condoning this kind of behavior, especially in one of the largest cities in a foreign country, I'm not. But I'm also showing you that not every lapse need be a disaster and that danger isn't lurking everywhere in Brazil either. People are sincere and helpful too.
The girls give me a ride from Lush back to my Airbnb. Kim Kardasian is asking if about tomorrow, but I'm vague. I've already decided that if I'm seeing anyone its babyfat alone. My flight leaves very late tomorrow so maybe I'll hit Tangara and hang out with ABG during the day or have babyfat over to the apartment before I check out or maybe not see anybody.
Now when you check into these love motels, they take your passport when you check in and give it back to you when I check out. I have a passport card I use and leave my actual passport locked in my room. I realize that I left the card in KKs car when she drove me back. I send her a whatsap, she finds it but now I'm on the hook for another dupla with her and babyfat. Expensive mistake. We do negotiate a shorter time (2 hours) and lower rate (800 Reals). The session is a replay of the day before but one advantage is they were more comfortable with a camera so I've got a nice porno to wank away to when I'm stuck in sex prison. But I realize I left the camera at the hotel! I'm a fucking idot. So I uber out to Asturias and ask if they found it. Sure enough they have it returning it in ziplock baggie. By the way I preferred Astrurias to Lush.
I have a question: When does someone in Brasil go from mulato to negro? Dude,
All these women (who work in both Sao Paulo & Rio) when I asked them what ethnicity they identified with most. They all told me Black. When asked why, the responses varied: (1) my Black grandparents raised me, (2) my father is a dark skinned Black man, (3) my mother is a dark skinned Black woman, (4) I can always find support for whatever I need within the Black community where I live, (5) a Black family took me in when both my parents died in a car accident, (6) my teachers always told me I was Black (7) don't you think I look Black? & (8) my boyfriend's parents rejected me bcuz they thought I was too dark. Not one told me they were mulata or mixed. So I'm thinking it's mental self perception thing more so than a straight genetic classification thing.
My conclusion: What your eyes are telling you is not necessarily what's happening in what you're looking at's self perception. Or maybe they were just telling the stupid Gringo what they thought he wanted to hear. Considering were both naked and were making small talk before the buzzer sounds and maybe they're hoping that they can get an extra program out of me. I don't know!
Also, from a historical perspective there was a time in Brasilian history when the African enslaved population was in the majority. So the white folk had to step gently at times. Joseph Conrad's "Heart of Darkness," although it takes place in Africa is in actuality a literary adaption of a time in Brazilian history when a slave revolt was so successful, they had their country in Nordeste for over a hundred years. Only after years and years of attempts from the government were they conquered with help from the Dutch & British. Technically, it was a World War in South America against a Black nation.
So in order to answer your question I will need to return to the field in order to gather more data. It's a tough job but someone has to do it!
Cheers.
All these women (who work in both Sao Paulo & Rio) when I asked them what ethnicity they identified with most. They all told me Black.Interesting discussion. Brazil historically has had an idiosyncratic relationship with race.
Fifteen years ago, I would run into obviously mulata women in Brazil. Some would say they weren't mulata nor would they identify as black. Back then, I have the impression racial identity was not as deeply ingrained. I believe racial identity has become more prominent in Brazil the last several years.
This is just an observation from my experiences in Brazil.
HarvestBoi
12-29-18, 17:12
I believe racial identity has become more prominent in Brazil the last several years.
This is just an observation from my experiences in Brazil.That's a pity. Probably due to US influence? At the end of the day, the only adjetives that really matter to me are belleza and safada.
That's a pity. Probably due to US influence? At the end of the day, the only adjetives that really matter to me are belleza and safada.I wouldn't make any presumptions. The elevator incident was a national awakening.
http://media.miamiherald.com/multimedia/news/afrolatin/part3/index.html
HarvestBoi
12-30-18, 22:35
I saw 7 garrotas over my 11 days for a total of 11 encounters.
The bottom line is this. If I had one week left to monger and could only pick one venue it would be Scandallo. If I lived in SP I'the go once a week just to have dinner and scout around.
Things I did before leaving:
Got a visa. Use the vfs. Global website and ignore the other paid sites that come up when you google. Cost is about $40 US and mine took about 5 days from application to when I got the visa via email. It's good for a year.
Registered for Gpguia. I posted about this earlier; my first encounter with the porto alphabet. Gpguia was not as helpful as I expected. It did save me from picking a hot one at Miruna who had bad reviews. And I think it should be somewhat worthwhile for indy escorts although I didn't have time to explore that side of the scene. Even then, I think there are a lot of the ficha rosa wannabe types who don't have reviews. Next time for sure.
Studied a little Portuguese. I did this because Steve96969 insisted and because he's right. Got the Pimsler stuff from the Library so at least I could say "Disculpe eo nao falu porto muito bem, fala ingles o espanol? That and google goes a long way. I found the orthography (how the work is written vs how it sounds) difficult like English or French. I mostly stubbled around and used google and a bit of Spanish but anyone telling you you'll be fine using Spanish is wrong.
Contacted AltoBomGusto. Having a local who can speak both English and Porto and who knows the scene is worth it to me. Plus ABG is a funny and amiable wing man. He has his preferences like everybody but he's tolerant of other points of view. He suggested one day that we grab a couple of clinca girls and make a date for a swingers club. Next time for sure.
Downloaded Uber and WhatAp. I don't use either at home much but they are essential in Brasil.
I went to Tangara, Miruna, Brooklin clinicas and to Bomboa, Scandallo and Chanes for clubs. I think I've reviewed most of the noteworthy encounters earlier but here is the roster:
Mariah at Tangara.
Ana Carolina at Scandallos.
Sara at Scandallos.
Bianca at Brooklin. This was my worst experience. She used a minor blemish I have as an excuse to give bad service. Good looking. Damage was 220 reals and I really should have complained. Rookie mistake.
Babyfat (name is Carine actually) at Scandallos.
Babyfat and Amiga Fest X2.
The scene is so varied and deep that there is sure to be something for every taste. You could stay a month and only scratch the surface. Thanks as always to all who were so generous with their posts, especially Steve9696, Rovnak, Kcrl01, The Cane, Marshal Earp and RIP GhengisKahn who's posts years ago first put it in mind that Sampa was a world class destination.
Some random pictures attached.
HarvestBoi
12-30-18, 22:35
I wouldn't make any presumptions. The elevator incident was a national awakening.
http://media.miamiherald.com/multimedia/news/afrolatin/part3/index.htmlThanks. The whole series is worth reading and that map is killer.
Hb.
FRobertson
12-30-18, 23:04
So, I just got to Sao Paulo too.
Did basically the same prep work as HarvestBoi:
Vfs for visa.
Pimsleur for a few words of Portuguese. Pimsleur sure is boring but effective.
Now, today I only had one encounter at Brooklin clinica. Among other things, she told me that the clinica will be closed from Dec 31 and will reopen on Jan 7. I hope not all clinicss are like this, or I am going to have a very lonely and boring stay.
The clinica is nice, I like the fact that the girl takes shower before and after. Also clean sheet / towels are nice.
I picked a girl named Larissa. A mixed aftertaste:
+ A beautiful body, just the way I like. Nice face, too. Also the texture of her skin is very pleasant to touch.
- I think she was totally disgusted with the way I look. Can't say that I blame her though.
+ She tried to hide it and still put out. Her FS orifice is super tight.
- CBJ only. I declined actually, as it does nothing for me. Possibly it's because she didn't like me.
+ the FS felt nice.
- no GFE at all. She wouldn't even let me kiss her neck, let alone lips.
Anyway, better than nothing but not great. However, if you don't look like a slab of fat your experience may be completely different.
Then tried to visit these two:
Miruna.
Av. Miruna, 644 - Moema- São Paulo. SP.
Prime.
Av. Iraí, 511 - Moema São Paulo. SP.
But both were closed. Sux.
Thinking about what to do with the rest of the evening. I really like the clinicas vibe. Unhurried, showers available, a selection of girls, reasonable price. I could enjoy inviting someone to me, too. Hmmm.
FRobertson
12-31-18, 01:18
Also Espao Vergueiro on Av. Vergueiro 170 was closed at 9 pm today.
I saw 7 garrotas over my 11 days for a total of 11 encounters.
The bottom line is this. If I had one week left to monger and could only pick one venue it would be Scandallo. If I lived in SP I'the go once a week just to have dinner and scout around.Only seven garotas in 11 days? Sounds like someone believes in moderation.
Sorry, but Scandallo's just doesn't float my boat. There are a few women who live in my building who work there. I see them in the laundry room, at the roof pool, picking up their mail from the front desk, I see them at the mercado.
IMHO: they look more attractive to me when I see them in flip flops, cut off jeans & tank tops. When I see them on their way to work they're wearing so much make-up, high heels they can barely walk in, if I didn't know them from my building, I'd of thought they were totally different people. I like when a garota dresses naturally, you can get a better feel for their personality. IMHO.
If you're not getting laid by at least 2-3 different garotas per day in Brasil, you're not applying yourself! Technically what you've described fits the legal definition of sexual abuse. As in if you don't finish your beer, that's alcohol abuse!
HarvestBoi
12-31-18, 18:46
This lines up with my experience at Brooklin. Maybe they are hip to shorting clueless visitors like us on service?
Strongly suggest you try Tangara. Not only did they have the deepest LU of the clinicas I visited, they also had the most expansive hours, being open on Sunday when the others were closed. A bit more rustic accommodations tho.
- CBJ only. I declined actually, as it does nothing for me. Possibly it's because she didn't like me.
+ the FS felt nice.
- no GFE at all. She wouldn't even let me kiss her neck, let alone lips.
Anyway, better than nothing but not great. However, if you don't look like a slab of fat your experience may be completely different.
Then tried to visit these two:
Miruna.
Av. Miruna, 644 - Moema- So Paulo. SP.
Prime.
Av. Ira, 511 - Moema So Paulo. SP.
But both were closed. Sux.
Thinking about what to do with the rest of the evening. I really like the clinicas vibe. Unhurried, showers available, a selection of girls, reasonable price. I could enjoy inviting someone to me, too. Hmmm.
HarvestBoi
12-31-18, 18:51
LOL. OK in my defense I was fighting a nasty virus when I first landed and I'the bet I'm a decade or more older than you. I like girls in normal clothes too, it's just that at scandallos I know they are all down to fuck!
Only seven garotas in 11 days? Sounds like someone believes in moderation.
Sorry, but Scandallo's just doesn't float my boat. There are a few women who live in my building who work there. I see them in the laundry room, at the roof pool, picking up their mail from the front desk, I see them at the mercado.
IMHO: they look more attractive to me when I see them in flip flops, cut off jeans & tank tops. When I see them on their way to work they're wearing so much make-up, high heels they can barely walk in, if I didn't know them from my building, I'd of thought they were totally different people. I like when a garota dresses naturally, you can get a better feel for their personality. IMHO.
If you're not getting laid by at least 2-3 different garotas per day in Brasil, you're not applying yourself! Technically what you've described fits the legal definition of sexual abuse. As in if you don't finish your beer, that's alcohol abuse!
Steve 9696
12-31-18, 19:41
LOL. OK in my defense I was fighting a nasty virus when I first landed and I'the bet I'm a decade or more older than you. I like girls in normal clothes too, it's just that at scandallos I know they are all down to fuck!I personally like to meet my girls when they are all dolled up and in fuck-me heels. And of course after at least one drink to magically improve the optics of all girls. Then, I love to see them disheveled in my bed — a private view just for me.
I have to say I loved this about my Fazendinha girl that I flew to London. Total stunner on the dance floor in the club. But seeing her breathing, softly sleeping with no make up on — equally good. Always hated to wake her. And the sight of her casually on her stomach on the bed in only some semi-thong underwear — just doing her phone WhatsApp. OMG one of the nicest views on the planet! Priceless.
FRobertson
12-31-18, 21:08
This lines up with my experience at Brooklin. Maybe they are hip to shorting clueless visitors like us on service?
Strongly suggest you try Tangara. Not only did they have the deepest LU of the clinicas I visited, they also had the most expansive hours, being open on Sunday when the others were closed. A bit more rustic accommodations tho.Yes, went to Tangara today, also very lucky as they were closing at 5 and I got there just after 3. I was thinking whether I should find some lunch first, but made the right decision in the end.
They only had a few girls because of the holiday, however, I still was able to pick 2 (one at a time) that produced the BBBJ I so much desired. Unfortunately I didn't quite catch their names. One was completely without tattoos, surprisingly enough, also very cuddly and hug, which I love. The second was a vacuum cleaner, worked hard on making things happen.
100 per half an hour for each. Great value for the money.
They will be closed on January 1, but will reopen at 10 on January 2 and will continue with the normal schedule of 10 am to 10 pm.
Pahllus Maximus
12-31-18, 21:57
I'm told anal is considered normal in Brazil. Is this true? There is something about a nice, soft ass from behind first thing in the morning!
AltoBomGosto
01-01-19, 10:41
I'm told anal is considered normal in Brazil. Is this true? There is something about a nice, soft ass from behind first thing in the morning!Many garotas will do it for an adittional fee who must be negociated. Most clinica girls will do it for extra 50 reais.
Member #4732
01-01-19, 21:50
I'm told anal is considered normal in Brazil. Is this true? There is something about a nice, soft ass from behind first thing in the morning!I wouldn't say its the "norm". It depends on the provider. Some offer it, some don't. I personally don't care for anal and many of them express relief when I say I am not interested in anal. The Brazilian men are notoriously obsessed with anal sex, and many providers have privately told me that they only offer anal because of the market demand but they personally do not enjoy it. Every once in a while I meet one that says she actually enjoys anal, FWIW.
Excited to be heading out to sao Paulo for the first time. I've done my research and I'm pretty picky so I'm planning to pick up girls from Scandallo and Cesaroa. Few questions for the regulars:
1. I'm looking into accommodations and even though everyone seems to love Jardin I was thinking about picking up something in Bela vista since its closer to where I want to be. Would this be a good choice / area?
2. Anyone have any experience with AirBnb and girls coming over? Would hotel be a better option?
3. Since Scandallo and Cesario are downtown (ish) do they still have a good selection on Saturday and Sunday? I've looked at google maps and it seems to be busier on the weekdays than the weekends (even Saturday!) which I thought was odd.
I may hit up some twitter girls as well. Found one that is an absolute stunner. Hope she's available when I'm there. Any helpful / specific / random tips would be much appreciated.
Oh and I prefer spinner type ladies so if they tend to congregate somewhere let me know!
Ok. I read the last 50 pages of Sao Paolo reports, so I think I know what to do. And then I wanted to read 50 pages of the Buenos Aries reports. But there's nothing to read. Last decent info message on the Argentina forum is 12 months ago. I thought Buenos Aries had an awesome mongering scene like Rio, SP and Colombia. Is this no longer the case? I found a $250 airfare from SP to Buenos Aries and was all pumped up to see the girls Buenos Aries. I've already been to Rio. I will spend 5 nights in SP, and 2 nights in Iguaza Falls, where should I spend the other 3 nights? Buenos Aries? Porto Allegre? What the heck, I was all pumped up on researching Buenos Aries and there's no information to read? Should I still go? I will be in Sao Paolo end of this month January. Please advise. Buenos Aries or some other city in Brazil? I've already did Rio in 2014. And I loved RIO. But I love trying new frontiers of mongering like SP and what other city?
Ok. I read the last 50 pages of Sao Paolo reports, so I think I know what to do. And then I wanted to read 50 pages of the Buenos Aries reports. But there's nothing to read. Last decent info message on the Argentina forum is 12 months ago. I thought Buenos Aries had an awesome mongering scene like Rio, SP and Colombia. Is this no longer the case? I found a $250 airfare from SP to Buenos Aries and was all pumped up to see the girls Buenos Aries. I've already been to Rio. I will spend 5 nights in SP, and 2 nights in Iguaza Falls, where should I spend the other 3 nights? Buenos Aries? Porto Allegre? What the heck, I was all pumped up on researching Buenos Aries and there's no information to read? Should I still go? I will be in Sao Paolo end of this month January. Please advise. Buenos Aries or some other city in Brazil? I've already did Rio in 2014. And I loved RIO. But I love trying new frontiers of mongering like SP and what other city?Argentina has the most beautiful women in the entire Americas. Go to Buenos Aires and post a trip report here; you'll be forgiven.
Argentina has the most beautiful women in the entire Americas. Go to Buenos Aires and post a trip report here; you'll be forgiven.The BA mongering scene is dead. IMO its the best European type city in Central and South America. Combination of Madrid, London, Paris, Rome, etc.
The women remind of LOS Angeles -- full of plastic combined with stylish clothing. They take of their bodies and ooze sexiness.
The casas and pickup clubs from 10 to 15 years ago are gone. The government made a big effort to clean up the city's image due to the number of big international events.
The economy is poor. Only visit if you want to enjoy the "luxury" of a pseudo-Euro city.
Ok. I read the last 50 pages of Sao Paolo reports, so I think I know what to do. And then I wanted to read 50 pages of the Buenos Aries reports. But there's nothing to read. Last decent info message on the Argentina forum is 12 months ago. I thought Buenos Aries had an awesome mongering scene like Rio, SP and Colombia. Is this no longer the case? Please advise.I have mongered in Buenos Aires a couple of times. The first time was definitely better than the first. What I have heard from reliable BA vets on this site is that the action has really fallen off in BA and is no longer what it used to be. I would advise that you go to Brazil and Colombia. Unlike Turgid, I believe that the most beautiful women in all of the Americas are from Colombia. But, the Brasilieras are easily the best in the sack at pleasing a man, and they're more than hot enough for me, making Brazil my top mongering destination in the world, especially if you want anal sex from really pretty women LOL!
1. I'm looking into accommodations and even though everyone seems to love Jardin I was thinking about picking up something in Bela vista since its closer to where I want to be. Would this be a good choice / area?
I may hit up some twitter girls as well. Found one that is an absolute stunner. Hope she's available when I'm there. Any helpful / specific / random tips would be much appreciated.I guess my question would be why Bela Vista. I'm not sure there's a lot to do there and it's just one neighborhood over from Jardins. Whether you want to discuss "where (you) want to be", Sao Paulo is a massive city and you're likely not going to be walking from one place to another.
Twitter girls are fine, but as has been discussed here Gpguia is a good review site for freelance escorts. If you don't speak Portuguese, it takes some curiosity and intuition to understand it. It can be done though.
World Travel 69
01-03-19, 18:13
Their new President has closed almost every monger place.
Argentina has the most beautiful women in the entire Americas. Go to Buenos Aires and post a trip report here; you'll be forgiven.
HarvestBoi
01-03-19, 20:51
It's still a mystery why BA has died off to this extent. When I was there, Hooks and Cattos were still alive but clearly circling the drain. There were a couple prives I went to but nothing compelling. I finally hooked up with tejanolibre, a dude like ABG who helped me out with some hot Indy's. I also went over to Jackson's house where he would have parties with strippers and hot girls. You could hook it up later.
But to hear guys tell it, the heyday of Madahos and Blacks rivaled that of Help. You mean to tell me that all that hot pussy just disappeared? There must be an underground scene that we can't acess but perusing the hooker websites doesn't seem to show anything remarkable. The Argentina board is pretty dead but you can get ahold to tejano liber there still. We had a mutual friend who passed last year so I heard from him. Deathmanrulz also posts a bit too.
Which is another way to say that we shouldn't sleep on a place like Scandallo. For all it's faults it could disappear tomorrow. Carpe diem baby.
Their new President has closed almost every monger place.
FRobertson
01-04-19, 02:01
But to hear guys tell it, the heyday of Madahos and Blacks rivaled that of Help. You mean to tell me that all that hot pussy just disappeared? There must be an underground scene that we can't acess but perusing the hooker websites doesn't seem to show anything remarkable.When I was in BA, I used the following resources:
http://www.foroescortsar.com/
http://www.bairesgirls.net
http://www.todomasajes.net/page00.htm
The first one is the local forum for doing research. The other two are listings. I was able to connect with several girls who invite people like me to their rooms to do things for money. Generally very positive experience.
Yes there are lots of girls there, and it's insane that there isn't anything going in the BA section of this site.
Steve 9696
01-04-19, 03:10
Excited to be heading out to sao Paulo for the first time. I've done my research and I'm pretty picky so I'm planning to pick up girls from Scandallo and Cesaroa. Few questions for the regulars:
1. I'm looking into accommodations and even though everyone seems to love Jardin I was thinking about picking up something in Bela vista since its closer to where I want to be. Would this be a good choice / area?
2. Anyone have any experience with AirBnb and girls coming over? Would hotel be a better option?
3. Since Scandallo and Cesario are downtown (ish) do they still have a good selection on Saturday and Sunday? I've looked at google maps and it seems to be busier on the weekdays than the weekends (even Saturday!) which I thought was odd.
I may hit up some twitter girls as well. Found one that is an absolute stunner. Hope she's available when I'm there. Any helpful / specific / random tips would be much appreciated.
Oh and I prefer spinner type ladies so if they tend to congregate somewhere let me know!First thing — it's Casarao. And it's pronounced that way too Casa Rao. Like house of Rao.
I was at Scandalo on a Saturday night and there was plenty to choose from. Probably 50 girls whic apparently is lame compared to mid week but it was plenty for me. Then at Casarao at 4 AM that same night there were easily 50 girls there. It's a small space so packed with bodies at 4 AM!
You should try BomBoa also — supposedly Scandalo level but different vibe.
For an incall or outcall do yourself a favor and stop researching. Go look up Mary Ninfeta on photoacompanates. She is beautiful and gives a BBBJ that will rock your world. Passionate kisser too. Guaranteed home run imo.
I guess my question would be why Bela Vista. I'm not sure there's a lot to do there and it's just one neighborhood over from Jardins. Whether you want to discuss "where (you) want to be", Sao Paulo is a massive city and you're likely not going to be walking from one place to another.
Twitter girls are fine, but as has been discussed here Gpguia is a good review site for freelance escorts. If you don't speak Portuguese, it takes some curiosity and intuition to understand it. It can be done though.Hey,
Thanks for the tip. I've checked out that site and it is a bit intimidating since I don't speak Portuguese. The girls also didn't seem that impressive to me but I know pics sometimes don't do justice. My Spanish is intermediate level but it doesn't really help that much. I think I can make out some words and understand a little bit but it's not ideal. I will take a crash course in basic Portuguese before my trip.
As for why Bela Vista, the Airbnb I'm looking at is about equidistant from Casarao and Scandalo which is ideal since I don't know which I will prefer yet. It's also relatively close to shopping center and public transport if I decide to take it. I usually just uber everywhere but it's nice to have the option. Is Jardin really that much better neighborhood wise?
First thing it's Casarao. And it's pronounced that way too Casa Rao. Like house of Rao.
I was at Scandalo on a Saturday night and there was plenty to choose from. Probably 50 girls whic apparently is lame compared to mid week but it was plenty for me. Then at Casarao at 4 AM that same night there were easily 50 girls there. It's a small space so packed with bodies at 4 AM!
You should try BomBoa also supposedly Scandalo level but different vibe.
For an incall or outcall do yourself a favor and stop researching. Go look up Mary Ninfeta on photoacompanates. She is beautiful and gives a BBBJ that will rock your world. Passionate kisser too. Guaranteed home run imo.Casa Rao. Nice. Thanks for that. I looked up your girl and her twitter is something else LOL. She's got a picture of her and a client with pillows covering his face and his limp dick just hanging off to the side. She is a little thick for my taste but I may partake since she seems like a lot of fun / would provide good service.
I will definitely look into Bomboa. More options are always welcome. Thanks for the tip!
Kind of a bummer and quite odd that these places are busier on the weekdays. Are people going somewhere else on the weekend? Do the girls work during the week and take the weekend off? So backwards. Can't even wrap my head around why.
Steve 9696
01-04-19, 17:05
Casa Rao. Nice. Thanks for that. I looked up your girl and her twitter is something else LOL. She's got a picture of her and a client with pillows covering his face and his limp dick just hanging off to the side. She is a little thick for my taste but I may partake since she seems like a lot of fun / would provide good service.
I will definitely look into Bomboa. More options are always welcome. Thanks for the tip!
Kind of a bummer and quite odd that these places are busier on the weekdays. Are people going somewhere else on the weekend? Do the girls work during the week and take the weekend off? So backwards. Can't even wrap my head around why.Mary is definitely not thick. She is really petite. Just has a really big set of naturals. But the rest of her is nicely small. Not athletic and skinny but definitely not thick. I did ALOT of Gpguia research before picking her. It will be really tough to find someone better.
Don't worry about the girl count. If you haven't been to Scandalo on the weekday there is nothing to compare it to. And if you compare to other worldwide venues in Russia, Thailand, Germany Etc I still put it right at the top. You will NOT be disappointed.
Finally on location. Don't sweat the exact location that much. You don't want to walk at night. And Uber is ridiculously cheap. Like if you spend $9 on a ride I will be amazed. Just pick a nice spot and Uber it from there.
World Travel 69
01-04-19, 18:35
Hooks, Cattos, Blacks, and Madahoes Closed.
They are still chicas on the Streets.
The Chicas can not hang out in Cafe Excedra anymore.
The House that Jackson was running has been sold.
TejanoLibre can still help you guys, if you want to go.
http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?8593-Tour-guide
It's still a mystery why BA has died off to this extent. When I was there, Hooks and Cattos were still alive but clearly circling the drain. There were a couple prives I went to but nothing compelling. I finally hooked up with tejanolibre, a dude like ABG who helped me out with some hot Indy's. I also went over to Jackson's house where he would have parties with strippers and hot girls. You could hook it up later.
But to hear guys tell it, the heyday of Madahos and Blacks rivaled that of Help. You mean to tell me that all that hot pussy just disappeared? There must be an underground scene that we can't access but perusing the hooker websites doesn't seem to show anything remarkable. The Argentina board is pretty dead but you can get ahold to tejano liber there still. We had a mutual friend who passed last year so I heard from him. Deathmanrulz also posts a bit too.
Which is another way to say that we shouldn't sleep on a place like Scandallo. For all it's faults it could disappear tomorrow. Carpe diem baby.
......I've checked out that site and it is a bit intimidating since I don't speak Portuguese. The girls also didn't seem that impressive to me but I know pics sometimes don't do justice. My Spanish is intermediate level but it doesn't really help that much. I think I can make out some words and understand a little bit but it's not ideal. I will take a crash course in basic Portuguese before my trip.
As for why Bela Vista, the Airbnb I'm looking at is about equidistant from Casarao and Scandalo which is ideal since I don't know which I will prefer yet. It's also relatively close to shopping center and public transport if I decide to take it. I usually just uber everywhere but it's nice to have the option. Is Jardin really that much better neighborhood wise?I don't want to oversell Jardins, but for me it offers the most daytime activities. It's also where I have done business. As it reminds people of Manhattan, it's also more expensive for lodging. There's nothing wrong with Bela Vista particularly if you are staying in the Southern part close to Avenida Paulista and the Metro line. While there might be logic to staying directly between Scandallo and Casarao, it's also kind of arbitrary in a way. It reminds me of a poster a few months ago who was determined to stay near Scandallo. Now that was a bad idea. I will defer to Steve9696's comment "Don't sweat the exact location that much".
Gpguia just takes some curiosity. I am an advocate of don't fall in love with photos, but that puts me in an obvious minority. So I first look for acompanhantes (escorts) on Gpguia with many positive TDs. TDs are Test Drives. (Don't say Brazilian mongers don't have a sense of humor.) While the prices aren't always accurately noted, I don't spend a lot of time looking at escorts at R200 or less. I find the more attractive escorts are charging 350-400 per hour sometimes 90 minutes. I don't speak Portuguese very well, but I have figured out some of the words for face, breasts, ass, attitude, blowjob without condom, anal, etc. From there, I go to look at photos on a website and now more often Twitter. If you insist to shop from photos, a tip for finding reviews is to search for the phone number if you can't find the name (girls change their names especially below average performers). That opens up a separate discussion on how to register an account.
By the way, Sao Paulo incall escorts are concentrated in Jardins and Moema. If you have particular types, I might be able to recommend some escorts. You know blonde or brunette, natural or silicone, thin or thick, tall or thin.
Mary is definitely not thick. She is really petite. Just has a really big set of naturals. But the rest of her is nicely small. Not athletic and skinny but definitely not thick. I did ALOT of Gpguia research before picking her. It will be really tough to find someone better.I have not met Mary, but based on her photos Mary is not thick. By Brazilian standards, she might be considered thin. Mary is a pretty, fairer morena Brasileira.
Of course, Sao Paulo offers a wide variety of women and you will be able to find skinny, model types, but those Brazilian models you see gracing the runways are not the prototypical Brasileira form.
GoneFishin
01-04-19, 23:01
For an incall or outcall do yourself a favor and stop researching. Go look up Mary Ninfeta on photoacompanates. She is beautiful and gives a BBBJ that will rock your world. Passionate kisser too. Guaranteed home run imo.Is this the one with the number ending in 4771?
Nevermind, found her on twitter. Nice
Steve 9696
01-05-19, 00:21
Is this the one with the number ending in 4771?
Nevermind, found her on twitter. NiceYeah, good Twitter feed, but those pics do tend to make her look thicker. Just google "Mary ninfeta photoacompanhantes" and go there. The pics there show her figure much better. I would say these add 10 pounds also. She is a really petite girl. No more than 5' 1" I would say. You can also see her reviews.
By the way, her headline says ""adoro leitinho na boca" which means "love milk in mouth" (CIM) and she ain't lying. When I shot my load, she swallowed it all and then flashed that thousand watt smile like it was the best thing she'd had all day!
I don't want to oversell Jardins, but for me it offers the most daytime activities. It's also where I have done business. As it reminds people of Manhattan, it's also more expensive for lodging. There's nothing wrong with Bela Vista particularly if you are staying in the Southern part close to Avenida Paulista and the Metro line. While there might be logic to staying directly between Scandallo and Casarao, it's also kind of arbitrary in a way. It reminds me of a poster a few months ago who was determined to stay near Scandallo. Now that was a bad idea. I will defer to Steve9696's comment "Don't sweat the exact location that much".
Gpguia just takes some curiosity. I am an advocate of don't fall in love with photos, but that puts me in an obvious minority. So I first look for acompanhantes (escorts) on Gpguia with many positive TDs. TDs are Test Drives. (Don't say Brazilian mongers don't have a sense of humor.) While the prices aren't always accurately noted, I don't spend a lot of time looking at escorts at R200 or less. I find the more attractive escorts are charging 350-400 per hour sometimes 90 minutes. I don't speak Portuguese very well, but I have figured out some of the words for face, breasts, ass, attitude, blowjob without condom, anal, etc. From there, I go to look at photos on a website and now more often Twitter. If you insist to shop from photos, a tip for finding reviews is to search for the phone number if you can't find the name (girls change their names especially below average performers)..Thanks for the follow up and great info Wyatt. I'm always up for recommendations. Especially since twitter only recommends a few girls at a time based on what / who you've followed before. I like thinner looking girls (hair color doesn't really matter to me although I do like soft curls) and prefer natural but I'm fine with plastic as long as they have a certain type of figure and are gentle on the eyes face wise. For example this girl Rafa Colletti "rafaellaclub" on twitter is one that I am planning to call during my trip. Just got pretty aroused just looking at her pics again. Not a big fan of tats but otherwise near perfect IMO.
I may dig through Gpguia again when I have a chance. The bit about looking at prices is a good tip. Thanks for that.
Yeah, good Twitter feed, but those pics do tend to make her look thicker. Just google "Mary ninfeta photoacompanhantes" and go there. The pics there show her figure much better. I would say these add 10 pounds also. She is a really petite girl. No more than 5' 1" I would say. You can also see her reviews.
By the way, her headline says ""adoro leitinho na boca" which means "love milk in mouth" (CIM) and she ain't lying. When I shot my load, she swallowed it all and then flashed that thousand watt smile like it was the best thing she'd had all day!Her height may be why she looks a little thick. You've convinced me though. I will probably get in touch with her when I'm in town.
Not necessarily in response to anything you've said but what is the condom usage like in Brazil (particularly in Sao Paulo and Rio)? Do most providers insist on using condoms? I am 100% clean and plan to stay that way but I do enjoy the true GFE and always take it if offered. I know it is a touchy subject but I do take necessary precautions such as being on Prep and being cut (vasectomy). For the record that stuff makes you nauseous as all get out but worth it to me.
World Travel 69
01-05-19, 17:43
I made a Map of most places.
Let us know if there are any changes or if they are closed or open?
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4065-Sao-Paulo-Map
Ok friends, I plan on going to Buenos Aires during the middle of my Sao Paolo trip. I know it sucks there, but since I'm just 2 hours flight away and $250 US round trip airfare. I just got to see the city and the sucky mongering scene since I'm so close by. But the point of this post is. Does my 10 night itinerary look all right.
Fri Jan 25 land 1030 pm GRU airport. Stay at Moema Mercure hotel since they are chica friendly. Go to Casarao at 1 am and enjoy.
Sat Jan 26 1 pm visit to Tangara massage.
Sat Jan 26 11 pm visit to Casarao.
Sun Jan 27 - incall or outcall with a whatsapp contact / independent provider. Feel free to PM me an awesome whatsapp contact, or 2 or 3, or 5. Hopefully one of them is available that Sunday.
Fly to Buenos Aires Sun night to Tue afternoon. I will see the nacho libre guy. (actually tejanolibre is his handle name).
Tues Jan 29 - go to Scandallo 11 pm (scandallo is better on weeknights).
Wed Jan 30 - see an independent or twitter or whatsapp contact in the afternoon.
Wed Jan 30 - go to Bomboa 11 pm (bomboa is better on weeknights).
Thurs to Sunday. Go to Iguaza Falls.
Sun Feb 3 - Brooklin Massage or Tangara at 1 pm.
Sun Feb 3 - Sunday night. See a independent / twitter / whatsapp contact before I flyhome next morning.
I've got a couple of weird questions.
A. is the Steak sandwich good at Scandallo? I just keep thinking it has onions and garlic sauce all over it and I can't fathom DFK when I eventually pick the Scandallo girl. (Maybe I should eat the sandwich after I CIM to the girl).
Be. I'm going to stay Mercure Moema Times Square for 2 nights Fri / Sat and Mercure Jardins for 2 night Tues / Wed. The Mercure hotels are chica friendly and I don't have to register the girl when they come? Or I don't have to pay extra, just need to register the girls name and my name?
See. I'm landing at 1030 pm will the atms at the airport be open after 1030 pm?
The. And if anything sounds like a bad idea in my 10 night itinerary feel free to let me know what might be better idea.
E. also I'm down to meet anybody for drinks or quick bite to eat somewhere or someone to go to Scandallo or Casarao with.
Member #4587
01-05-19, 19:03
I made a Map of most places.
Let us know if there are any changes or if they are closed or open?
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4065-Sao-Paulo-MapThere has been SP maps made previously. Yours is full of errors. Why do it at all when you do not have personal knowledge of locations and places? At least do your part properly, so the others can add information but not made corrections but if you not know anything, just leave it. Multiple location errors (area), non existing place added, one popular clinica is missing, wrong price written, wrong opening hours written.
World Travel 69
01-05-19, 19:50
My Suggestion is to go to Iguazu Falls from B. A. See both sides of the falls from the top and then
take the boat trip close to the bottom of the falls, and fly from there to back to Sao Paulo.
You should save a day of flying that way.
Member #4732
01-05-19, 20:44
Kind of a bummer and quite odd that these places are busier on the weekdays. Are people going somewhere else on the weekend? Do the girls work during the week and take the weekend off? So backwards. Can't even wrap my head around why.The reason is pretty simple. Sao Paulo is a city of commerce, the center of all commerce in Brazil. Every week businessmen from all over Brazil and other countries arrive in Sao Paulo for several days of work. Many arrive on Monday and leave on Friday afternoon. They have money to spend. Their nights to play are Tue-Wed-Thursday. On Friday they leave. That explains the T-W-T peak.
What about locals you ask? The big clubs are just too expensive for most locals who also have much cheaper options available to them. Some locals naturally will visit the big clubs once in a while but weekends are usually for girlfriends or wives. Clinicas and Casarao are open on weekends for those who have free time and $.
Furthermore, its a self reinforcing cycle. Everyone knows the big clubs are better T-W-T so everyone plans to go then if possible. Additionally, there is no advantage to going to these clubs when they are not busy because the girls are not going to "be on sale" just because there are fewer clients.
Steve 9696
01-05-19, 22:05
Ok friends, I plan on going to Buenos Aires during the middle of my Sao Paolo trip. I know it sucks there, but since I'm just 2 hours flight away and $250 US round trip airfare. I just got to see the city and the sucky mongering scene since I'm so close by. But the point of this post is. Does my 10 night itinerary look all right.
Fri Jan 25 land 1030 pm GRU airport. Stay at Moema Mercure hotel since they are chica friendly. Go to Casarao at 1 am and enjoy.
Sat Jan 26 1 pm visit to Tangara massage.
Sat Jan 26 11 pm visit to Casarao.
Sun Jan 27 - incall or outcall with a whatsapp contact / independent provider. Feel free to PM me an awesome whatsapp contact, or 2 or 3, or 5. Hopefully one of them is available that Sunday.
Fly to Buenos Aires Sun night to Tue afternoon. I will see the nacho libre guy. (actually tejanolibre is his handle name).
Tues Jan 29 - go to Scandallo 11 pm (scandallo is better on weeknights).
Wed Jan 30 - see an independent or twitter or whatsapp contact in the afternoon.
Wed Jan 30 - go to Bomboa 11 pm (bomboa is better on weeknights).
Thurs to Sunday. Go to Iguaza Falls.
Sun Feb 3 - Brooklin Massage or Tangara at 1 pm.
Sun Feb 3 - Sunday night. See a independent / twitter / whatsapp contact before I flyhome next morning.
I've got a couple of weird questions.
A. is the Steak sandwich good at Scandallo? I just keep thinking it has onions and garlic sauce all over it and I can't fathom DFK when I eventually pick the Scandallo girl. (Maybe I should eat the sandwich after I CIM to the girl).
Be. I'm going to stay Mercure Moema Times Square for 2 nights Fri / Sat and Mercure Jardins for 2 night Tues / Wed. The Mercure hotels are chica friendly and I don't have to register the girl when they come? Or I don't have to pay extra, just need to register the girls name and my name?
See. I'm landing at 1030 pm will the atms at the airport be open after 1030 pm?
The. And if anything sounds like a bad idea in my 10 night itinerary feel free to let me know what might be better idea.
E. also I'm down to meet anybody for drinks or quick bite to eat somewhere or someone to go to Scandallo or Casarao with.Sounds like mostly a marvelous plan. Just keep in mind 11 is still pretty early in SP. LOL. It will get busier later.
I was at a Mercure in campinas and they made them register and charged a 25 R fee per girl (was a duo). I'the be surprised if you didn't have to register er her.
I would guess the airport ATM is still open. Key tip worldwide is a lot of ATMs in airports ask if you want them to do the currency conversion. They present this as the primary choice. It is always a bad deal. Take the option that is your home bank doing the conversion and you will get market rate.
The reason is pretty simple. Sao Paulo is a city of commerce, the center of all commerce in Brazil. Every week businessmen from all over Brazil and other countries arrive in Sao Paulo for several days of work. Many arrive on Monday and leave on Friday afternoon. They have money to spend. Their nights to play are Tue-Wed-Thursday. On Friday they leave. That explains the T-W-T peak.
What about locals you ask? The big clubs are just too expensive for most locals who also have much cheaper options available to them. Some locals naturally will visit the big clubs once in a while but weekends are usually for girlfriends or wives. Clinicas and Casarao are open on weekends for those who have free time and $.Yes, it's similar to why a top termas like 4 x4 in Centro Rio has always closed on weekends. It's easier for the working boys to play on weekdays. Weekends are for wives, girlfriends and family stuff.
HarvestBoi
01-06-19, 02:47
If you actually get all this done, I will salute you and keenly await your report in any case.
You'll be tempted to use the BsAs leg to rest up I think. Or you'll meet a paulista who will enchant you enough to make you forgo the rest of the schedule. There are worse things in life.
But you have hit the main mongering modalities for sure.
I found the food at scandallo to be fairly good. On par with the hotel food I ate at the Hilton and the Intercontinental. Like everything there, not cheap, but you're using up your consumao.
Hb.
Ok friends, I plan on going to Buenos Aires during the middle of my Sao Paolo trip. I know it sucks there, but since I'm just 2 hours flight away and $250 US round trip airfare. I just got to see the city and the sucky mongering scene since I'm so close by. But the point of this post is. Does my 10 night itinerary look all right.
Fri Jan 25 land 1030 pm GRU airport. Stay at Moema Mercure hotel since they are chica friendly. Go to Casarao at 1 am and enjoy.
Sat Jan 26 1 pm visit to Tangara massage.
Sat Jan 26 11 pm visit to Casarao.
Sun Jan 27 - incall or outcall with a whatsapp contact / independent provider. Feel free to PM me an awesome whatsapp contact, or 2 or 3, or 5. Hopefully one of them is available that Sunday.
Fly to Buenos Aires Sun night to Tue afternoon. I will see the nacho libre guy. (actually tejanolibre is his handle name).
Tues Jan 29 - go to Scandallo 11 pm (scandallo is better on weeknights).
Wed Jan 30 - see an independent or twitter or whatsapp contact in the afternoon.
Wed Jan 30 - go to Bomboa 11 pm (bomboa is better on weeknights).
Thurs to Sunday. Go to Iguaza Falls.
Sun Feb 3 - Brooklin Massage or Tangara at 1 pm.
Sun Feb 3 - Sunday night. See a independent / twitter / whatsapp contact before I flyhome next morning.
I've got a couple of weird questions.
A. is the Steak sandwich good at Scandallo? I just keep thinking it has onions and garlic sauce all over it and I can't fathom DFK when I eventually pick the Scandallo girl. (Maybe I should eat the sandwich after I CIM to the girl).
Be. I'm going to stay Mercure Moema Times Square for 2 nights Fri / Sat and Mercure Jardins for 2 night Tues / Wed. The Mercure hotels are chica friendly and I don't have to register the girl when they come? Or I don't have to pay extra, just need to register the girls name and my name?
See. I'm landing at 1030 pm will the atms at the airport be open after 1030 pm?
The. And if anything sounds like a bad idea in my 10 night itinerary feel free to let me know what might be better idea.
E. also I'm down to meet anybody for drinks or quick bite to eat somewhere or someone to go to Scandallo or Casarao with.
Member #4732
01-06-19, 03:13
I am curious, what motivates someone to boastfully claim they going to henceforth ignore a forum because it offers them nothing and then slinks back several months later to resume sniping?
Member #4732
01-06-19, 03:15
A. is the Steak sandwich good at Scandallo? I just keep thinking it has onions and garlic sauce all over it and I can't fathom DFK when I eventually pick the Scandallo girl. (Maybe I should eat the sandwich after I CIM to the girl).FWIW the bathrooms in Scandalo have dental floss and mouthwash dispensers. As do many high end eateries in SP.
FRobertson
01-06-19, 03:24
Be. I'm going to stay Mercure Moema Times Square for 2 nights Fri / Sat and Mercure Jardins for 2 night Tues / Wed. The Mercure hotels are chica friendly and I don't have to register the girl when they come? Or I don't have to pay extra, just need to register the girls name and my name?
See. I'm landing at 1030 pm will the atms at the airport be open after 1030 pm?There's a bradesco bank with atms that you can pillage (that's how google translates that Portuguese word, not even kidding) with a foreign ATM card. At least mine worked in it. It's right across the street from Mercure. Av. Ibirapuera, 2220 - Indianópolis, São Paulo. SP, 04029-000.
Steve 9696
01-06-19, 03:47
If you actually get all this done, I will salute you and keenly await your report in any case.
You'll be tempted to use the BsAs leg to rest up I think. Or you'll meet a paulista who will enchant you enough to make you forgo the rest of the schedule. There are worse things in life.
But you have hit the main mongering modalities for sure.
I found the food at scandallo to be fairly good. On par with the hotel food I ate at the Hilton and the Intercontinental. Like everything there, not cheap, but you're using up your consumao.
Hb.I didn't need any food to blow through my consumable. Some drinks for me and some for my girls and poof it was gone. It's expensive but great fun. And when you compare worldwide value it actually isn't even expensive!
World Travel 69
01-06-19, 17:10
So, now tell which places are wrong, so we can help everyone.
Yes, I have been to Brazil many times, but I never have been to Sao Paulo.
I usually like to make a list of places, so I don't go to places that are closed when I get there.
I have been to 74 countries. I have maps and list for lots of them to help us all.
My friend use to write directions on napkins. They were hard to read, so I decide to make Lists and then maps
There has been SP maps made previously. Yours is full of errors. Why do it at all when you do not have personal knowledge of locations and places? At least do your part properly, so the others can add information but not made corrections but if you not know anything, just leave it. Multiple location errors (area), non existing place added, one popular clinica is missing, wrong price written, wrong opening hours written.
So, now tell which places are wrong, so we can help everyone.
Yes, I have been to Brazil many times, but I never have been to Sao Paulo.
I usually like to make a list of places, so I don't go to places that are closed when I get there.
I have been to 74 countries. I have maps and list for lots of them to help us all.
My friend use to write directions on napkins. They were hard to read, so I decide to make Lists and then mapsHe's unhappy, because his favourite clinica is missing; Clinica Enjoy Spa, Rua Condessa do Pinhal, 279.
I have been to 74 countries. I have maps and lists for lots of them to help us all.You've got me beat WT69. You have to turn your total around to get to my current total of 47, but hopefully I'm not finished yet. The rest of us world travelers appreciate your effort over the years. Keep it up! The best and most useful So Paulo map I have ever seen was created by Nordico. Wish he would make it available always for all Sampa mongers.
I am curious, what motivates someone to boastfully claim they going to henceforth ignore a forum because it offers them nothing and then slinks back several months later to resume sniping?Just misses dishing out his misery on others, LOL.
I simply ignore his babble.
P.S., thanks WorldTravel69 for your good work over the years!
Steve 9696
01-06-19, 19:20
Just misses dishing out his misery on others, LOL.
I simply ignore his babble.
P.S., thanks WorldTravel69 for your good work over the years!Traveller44 has the dubious distinction of being only one of two people I block on ISG. Heck I don't even block MonkeyPaw and he is a complete douche!
Heck I don't even block MonkeyPaw and he is a complete douche!I can see how his online persona may give you that impression, but I also observe that none of the senior members that meet him in person say anything negative about him.
Steve 9696
01-07-19, 02:47
I can see how his online persona may give you that impression, but I also observe that none of the senior members that meet him in person say anything negative about him.I have no doubt he is great fun to be with. But he disrespects the girls and takes satisfaction in the humiliation of others. And it is those behaviors, not his planet- sized ego that makes him a douche.
Back to São Paulo topics now! Sorry for the diversion.
Eszpresszo
01-07-19, 03:16
I am curious, what motivates someone to boastfully claim they going to henceforth ignore a forum because it offers them nothing and then slinks back several months later to resume sniping?Well, I also have to ask why I have this feeling that this forum (and others on ISG) are being overrun by inexperienced teenagers acting out their fantasies online?
I got to say you boys raised my curiosity so I did a search on our colleague Monkey Paw. I love MP's grandiosity in applying illeism. I have to thank a poster for the word "illeism" when he called out Monkey Paw for such action. Let's just say Seinfeld fans remember Jimmy at the health club in referring to his attraction to Elaine. "Jimmy is pretty sweet on you. You're just Jimmy's type." (Illeism is the act of referring to oneself in the third person instead of first person.).
Having said that, Marshall Earp thinks Monkey Paw has to be one of the coolest and most original handles on this or any forum.
FRobertson
01-09-19, 01:16
1) Visa.
- https://brazil.vfsevisa.com/brazil/online/.
- self-service, straightforward process, printable visa emailed next day.
2) Getting in.
- Wild variety of prices. I found a special fare from Florida for $400, plus tickets to get to Florida. All in was way cheaper than the tickets from my town.
- Customs / immigration basically a non-event. Only question was how long would I be staying. But printed visa checked before boarding and at the immigration.
3) Getting around.
- Uber from the airport was 80 reals (22).
- Uber around town. Most were in the 10-15 reals range, cheapest was 8, most expensive was 25 reals (from downtown and with some surge pricing).
- Subway. Took it a few times when it made sense (I was right next to the station), costs 4 reals, so with uber pricing being around 10-12 it's not worth making the effort.
4) Hotel.
- The highly recommended Mercure Moema on Av Lavandisca.
- Rooms have balconies and living rooms, which is absolutely awesome for stays of longer than a day or two.
- Safe neighborhood, a few supermarkets within 2-3 blocks, bars, cafes, restaurants, etc. And very walkable, I was walking around even after dark as long as there are people, which there usually are.
5) Shopping, money, and communications.
- The expensive "24 hour ATM" limits withdrawals to 1000 reals and there's a crazy fee. Something like 30 reals or so, I don't remember.
- Normal ATMs are available at banks, but look for the Visa / Mastercard logo. Not all ATMs have it. I found Bradesco and Itai banks both have normal ATMs with the limit of 2500 reals and no fees on their end.
- Shopping center at Av. Ibirapuera, 3103 - Indianópolis, São Paulo. SP, 04029-200 - is your one stop shop for money and a sim card (and a cup of coffee if you go to the basement) - but only during working hours.
- There's a bradesco bank on the third floor (I think it's called 2nd floor in Brazilian) with normal ATMs. Didn't find any normal ATMs on the first floor (T in Brazilian).
- TWO VIVO shops, one on the second floor, another on the third. The one on the second floor is useless. They sent me to the third floor because only that shop can activate a sim card with a passport only, without a Brazilian document.
- The third floor (the top floor) Vivo shop is well-staffed, there's a girl named Bianca who speaks English, and the store manager is rather helpful. Bring in your unlocked cell phone, a passport (a copy would not do, they need the original) and after 30 minutes of them typing ferociously you'll end up with an activated and tested sim card. The cost for the card is 12 reals, then a data+voice plan costs between 7 and 20 reals per week depending on your needs and current promotions. Overall, it takes time but it's not a hassle at all.
6) There are free walking tours, museums that are free on Saturdays, free roof access to a tall building downtown, etc etc. A nice city. Hot but not super hot. I would turn on the air conditioner for about an hour to cool down the bedroom before sleeping, but I would just keep the balcony door open and enjoy the fresh air in the living room.
7) Food is kinda expensive. But fresh juices are a great bargain at 5-6-7 reals. Beef is good, I prefer Brazilian-style to Argentinian. The latter is way too soft for my liking, I want to be able to chew through my dead cows.
FRobertson
01-09-19, 02:17
Overall impression:
This city is exactly what I was looking for in my long post. I love it that girls are generally very clean, they shower before and after, BBBJ is the rule and CBJs are the few exceptions. I am not interested in anal so I didn't partake but it was frequently offered for a small surcharge. I cheapskated out every single time.
Also the girls at the clinicas (or at least the ones I picked) are cuddly and huggable within the time constraints. Some of them speak a few words of English. None try to beg for tips or anything like that. Generally payment to the front desk after the deed is done.
Websites:
- gpguia is your friend, and it's spelled gp-guia.net. Need to register which is easy, just use google translate.
- photoacompanhantes.com.
- https://www.massagistascomlocal.com.br.
- Cross reference those sites with the reviews on gpguia.
I reached out to a few girls but in the end only settled on one named Bianca Lessa. She has a private room downtown. Nice and clean room, nice and clean girl. Very easy to set up an appointment. 230 for 1 hour. BBBJ, CFS, hugging, kissing, etc. Blonde, beautiful curves. Made me very happy. Getting to her building, the guard doesn't speak any English but he basically knows that you're there to visit someone, it's not nuclear science.
Clinicas:
- Awesome awesome awesome. The cheaper versions may not have air conditioner in the rooms, some rooms in Tangara look like they could have used a renovation a century ago, but basically every clinic without exception will have a bed, a shower, a clean towel for you and another for a girl, a clean sheet (they come in a package) and some soap. Some will have the luxuries such as a disposable toothbrush and Listerine.
- Generally the weekday crowd is different from the Sunday lineup, so may be nice to visit the same clinica on a Sunday and on a weekday to see more variety.
- A good strategy is to show up early and sit and wait for the girls to show up, then pick them as they walk in. Helps avoid the cum breath.
The good:
- Tangara 200. I've been there 5 or 6 times. I can't remember the names of the girls but basically all of them did what was expected of them. Caught Harumi one morning, was nice. She's of the MILF age but nice body, soft skin, good tongue work. Price is 100 for half hour. Only once I had to wait as all the rooms were in use.
- Red Massagem Moema 841 - been twice, first time with Maia (very skinny but curvy little girl), second don't remember the name but was also very nice, tall, blonde, babyface. 150 hh / 200 HR / 280 2-girl special. Recently renovated, nice place.
- clinica donna Avenida Ceci, 2228 - Planalto Paulista. Had a tall black girl. 120 for the hour. Likewise, good attitude, good service. But no air conditioner.
- Right across the street is clinica nova ceci. Ceci 2189 - I think 150 hh / 200 HR but not 100% sure. Went twice, first time with a girl named Jack (from the weekday crew), second time on a Sunday a girl named Cloe. Young brown-ish, speaks some English. Both good, hugging, kissing, GFE, BBBJ, good attitude.
The bad:
- Brooklin (Joaquin Guarani, 121) - more than 200 for half hour, CBJ, asked for the money up front.
- shaolin massages are. Antônio de Macedo Soares, 1589 - CBJ, 200, asked for the money up front.
- Prime (Irai 511) - the girl didn't want to do BBBJ, also this was the only place that charged me a full hour for being a little over 30 minutes. Apparently to get the 30 minute price I should have told the receptionist that I only want 30 minutes. Which I didn't. Still, no big loss, and I'm not going back.
- CLínica Nova Pan. Rua Pan-Americana, 139 - not really bad but it's a small place, they only had 2 girls available when I walked in and I liked neither of them. Would return to check them out again in a pinch. They are about 5 minutes walk from Avenida Ceci.
Boates / strip clubs: I didn't even bother. Since I discovered the clinicas, seems to be a waste of money. I don't like the noise, I don't do booze, and I don't like girls wearing heavy makeup.
Basically the clinicas are closer to FKK rather than partytreff. There's no public sex (I am neutral about it, I don't mind doing things in the open but it doesn't particularly turn me on either) and there's no flat rate, but for example a typical partytreff day pass would cost me 100 eur. That's 425 reals. That's 4 sessions at Tangara plus a round-trip Uber. I was much younger when I was able to do more than 4 at a partytreff, so considering that usually I can do 1 or 2 at Tangara, the value proposition is perfect.
I'll be around town for a few more days, if you'd like me to check out a clinic do let me know, I have a few on my list left to visit but basically I'm open. As long as they are in a reasonable part of town, preferably near Moema.
Steve 9696
01-09-19, 04:13
Thanks for the thorough and useful research FRobertson. I am more a Boate guy, but your broad net and excellent info is appreciated by all. Bravo!
Awesome awesome awesome trip summary and tips. Perfect timing for my Jan 25 arrival to SP. Items I found most useful:
6) There are free walking tours, museums that are free on Saturdays, free roof access to a tall building downtown, etc etc.
3) Getting around. - Uber from the airport was 80 reals (22). - Uber around town. Most were in the 10-15 reals range, cheapest was 8, most expensive was 25 reals (from downtown and with some surge pricing).
4) Hotel. - The highly recommended Mercure Moema on Av Lavandisca.
- The expensive "24 hour ATM" limits withdrawals to 1000 reals and there's a crazy fee. Something like 30 reals or so, I don't remember. - Normal ATMs are available at banks, but look for the Visa / Mastercard logo. Not all ATMs have it. I found Bradesco and Itai banks both have normal ATMs with the limit of 2500 reals and no fees on their end.
The bad:- Brooklin (Joaquin Guarani, 121) - more than 200 for half hour, CBJ, asked for the money up front.
- Generally the weekday crowd is different from the Sunday lineup, so may be nice to visit the same clinica on a Sunday and on a weekday to see more variety.
- A good strategy is to show up early and sit and wait for the girls to show up, then pick them as they walk in. Helps avoid the cum breath.
-I reached out to a few girls but in the end only settled on one named Bianca Lessa.
Member #4732
01-09-19, 14:17
- Subway. Took it a few times when it made sense (I was right next to the station), costs 4 reals, so with uber pricing being around 10-12 it's not worth making the effort.
5) Shopping, money, and communications.
- The expensive "24 hour ATM" limits withdrawals to 1000 reals and there's a crazy fee. Something like 30 reals or so, I don't remember.
- Normal ATMs are available at banks, but look for the Visa / Mastercard logo. Not all ATMs have it. I found Bradesco and Itai banks both have normal ATMs with the limit of 2500 reals and no fees on their end.
- Shopping center at Av. Ibirapuera, 3103 - Indianpolis, So Paulo. SP, 04029-200 - is your one stop shop for money and a sim card (and a cup of coffee if you go to the basement) - but only during working hours.
- There's a bradesco bank on the third floor (I think it's called 2nd floor in Brazilian) with normal ATMs. Didn't find any normal ATMs on the first floor (T in Brazilian).Good information in the post. I am only commenting on these parts above.
As you mention Uber is generally the best option. I only use subway when traffic is at a standstill or I am going sufficiently far to make the subway significantly cheaper.
RE banks and ATMs.
My recommendation is to ONLY use the ATMs in bank branches that have visible security guards, or in the shopping malls. This is to avoid ATMs that have been hacked. I suppose the airport ATMs are OK, but that is just a guess.
You are correct that you have to look for an ATM that supports your foreign bank card's network. Your card will indicate its supported networks. As for fees that is complicated subject. I use Schwab bank because they "reimburse" ATM fees.
You list Bradesco and Itau (its Itau not Itai BTW). My experience is that Bradesco is pretty good with foreign card networks like Plus and Cirrus but they "did" have a per withdrawal limit that "was" lower than Santander. Therefore for the last 2 years I have been using Santander which allows a withdrawal up to 1500 reais. Santander does charge a fee, but like I said, in my case it is reimbursed by Schwabb. There is a Santander on the first floor of Shopping Ibirapuera. However. Very important. Not all of the ATMs in a given branch will support the full range of networks. In the Shopping Ibirapuera Santander for example, only the two ATMs on the far left support foreign networks, they are the ones with the Banco 24 Hours sticker on them. The other ATMs in the same branch will say "your card is not supported" . Very confusing. Also, this sticker "banco 24 Hours" is not be confused with the free standing Banco 24 hours machines that you see in gasoline stations and convenience stores. Avoid those machines like the plague as those are often hacked. I am referring to Santander "machines" that also support the banco 24 "network" - those are OK when they are in Santander bank branches with security. Not all bank branches are equal. I have been cloned 3 times in Brazil. The last 2 times were at Bradesco branches that I had used many times without problem. Both were free standing branches, both had security during the day but at night and weekends there is no visible security and hackers can do their dirty work. After this I have stuck to the branches in shopping centers whenever possible as the security is more visible and they are less unattended. But this is "general" rule, there is no sure thing in Brazil.
Also, I was surprised that Itau worked for you. I have not tried Itau in a long time. I know it did not work for me years ago, so I never tried again.
Member #4732
01-09-19, 14:35
- Generally the weekday crowd is different from the Sunday lineup, so may be nice to visit the same clinica on a Sunday and on a weekday to see more variety.
The good:
- Tangara 200. I've been there 5 or 6 times. I can't remember the names of the girls but basically all of them did what was expected of them. Caught Harumi one morning, was nice. She's of the MILF age but nice body, soft skin, good tongue work. Price is 100 for half hour. Only once I had to wait as all the rooms were in use.Correct information but I can add some extra detail.
Yes, Sundays have different lineups at the ones that are open on Sunday because they allow "free lancers" to show up and work. And the regular "staff" may or may not work, so Sunday (Saturday at Brooklin also) differ frm M-F.
Brooklin. Was amongst the cheapest, now they are more expensive. As mentioned many times, things are subject to change. Prices at Brooklin NOW are as follows:
1 HR.
Dinheiro: 250.
Cartão: 270.
1/2.
Dinheiro: 220.
Cartão: 240.
Four hands.
Dinheiro: 350.
Cartão: 370.
Clinica Donna is new and only a few doors down from Nova Ceci so you might as well check them both out together. Donna is new, nice management, cheap, but with only about 5 girls in lineup max. Still, if you are on the street, its worth a look.
Moema Prime. Despite your "bad" rating I would encourage others to visit Moema Prime and judge for themselves. Normally, the reception is the most friendly. You have to understand 30 minutes is a very short time and including 2 showers it will pass fast. Prime generally has a large lineup 8-15 girls with a very "high average". It just opened in 2018 and has great facilities. It is my #1 recommendation in Moema.
Basically the clinicas are closer to FKK rather than partytreff.Yes, I agree with the others. Very nice report! However, I do take issue with this one piece that you wrote in that there is really not much of anything about the clinica experience that is like a German FKK, or Brazilian termas for that matter. For anybody who has been to neither, I would not want them to be misled. In my view, a clinica is much more like the traditional brothel where the girls are paraded out in front of you, you pick one, and then you go fuck. This is in no way like the FKK (or termas) experience, which I much prefer over the clinica. Just to be clear so that guys don't get the wrong idea. Maybe a clinica is closer to an FKK than a partyreff, but both types of set-ups are really not very close to the FKK model at all. Otherwise, outstanding work!
I'll be around town for a few more days, if you'd like me to check out a clinic do let me know, I have a few on my list left to visit but basically I'm open. As long as they are in a reasonable part of town, preferably near Moema.Great report. Great insight.
I have to check out that massagista site. Some of those women are quite beautiful. How was Bianca Lessa? She looks like she has a pretty face.
Perhaps if you're in the mood, you can pop into Scandallo and just have a meal / drinks. It would be great to hear your perspective.
Jorge Rad10
01-09-19, 19:31
Excited to be heading out to sao Paulo for the first time. I've done my research and I'm pretty picky so I'm planning to pick up girls from Scandallo and Cesaroa. Few questions for the regulars:
1. I'm looking into accommodations and even though everyone seems to love Jardin I was thinking about picking up something in Bela vista since its closer to where I want to be. Would this be a good choice / area?
2. Anyone have any experience with AirBnb and girls coming over? Would hotel be a better option?
3. Since Scandallo and Cesario are downtown (ish) do they still have a good selection on Saturday and Sunday? I've looked at google maps and it seems to be busier on the weekdays than the weekends (even Saturday!) which I thought was odd.
I may hit up some twitter girls as well. Found one that is an absolute stunner. Hope she's available when I'm there. Any helpful / specific / random tips would be much appreciated.
Oh and I prefer spinner type ladies so if they tend to congregate somewhere let me know!I got very good experienced with flats rented through AirBnb, the owners never bothered to meet me but they were really helpful. Regarding bringing girls, not problems whatsoever, the girls showed up in the main door, said to the doorman, they go to flat number xx and that's it. In my opinion, Airbnb is much more convenient than Hotels, you could even negotiate the check-in and out.
Websites:
- gpguia is your friend, and it's spelled gp-guia.net. Need to register which is easy, just use google translate.
- photoacompanhantes.com.
- https://www.massagistascomlocal.com.br.
- Cross reference those sites with the reviews on gpguia..Also check out:
https://www.clubmodel.com.br
Also check out:
https://www.clubmodel.com.brI have to say great photos, a lot of turnover, some stunners with good reviews and others with mediocre reviews. It might be one of the best websites of the many for Sao Paulo escorts, but I would still do some research.
...However, I do take issue with this one piece that you wrote in that there is really not much of anything about the clinica experience that is like a German FKK, or Brazilian termas for that matter. For anybody who has been to neither, I would not want them to be misled. In my view, a clinica is much more like the traditional brothel where the girls are paraded out in front of you, you pick one, and then you go fuck. This is in no way like the FKK (or termas) experience, which I much prefer over the clinica. Just to be clear so that guys don't get the wrong idea. Maybe a clinica is closer to an FKK than a partyreff, but both types of set-ups are really not very close to the FKK model at all. Otherwise, outstanding work!I agree! FKKs are very different from the clinicas, who are more like bordelos. But FKKs can be compared to termas in Rio, albeit a terma is much smaller than the typical FKK. For example, FKK Palace in Frankfurt looks like a terma to some extent.
I have to say great photos, a lot of turnover, some stunners with good reviews and others with mediocre reviews. It might be one of the best websites of the many for Sao Paulo escorts, but I would still do some research.You can find 80-90% of them at any given time at Scandallos.
Member #4732
01-10-19, 15:40
Also check out:
https://www.clubmodel.com.brClubmodel is worth a look for sure. I think the photos are of the ladies, they are not false photos. However, they are highly professional photo sessions, with make up artists and photoshop. Some of the photos may be several years old and the women may have changed. I recommend googling the phone number to see if the provider has ads elsewhere, particularly on Tinder, where you might less photoshopped images. The ones that also have Tinder will likely have posted a lot of other photos. Another thing to bear in mind is that the Clubmodel ladies are likely to be "established" providers which is probably good for a visitor, as the service is likely to be "reliable" but they may also be a bit "more professional" than the less established ladies. As always YMMV.
Clubmodel is worth a look for sure. I think the photos are of the ladies, they are not false photos. However, they are highly professional photo sessions, with make up artists and photoshop. Some of the photos may be several years old and the women may have changed. I recommend googling the phone number to see if the provider has ads elsewhere, particularly on Tinder, where you might less photoshopped images. The ones that also have Tinder will likely have posted a lot of other photos. Another thing to bear in mind is that the Clubmodel ladies are likely to be "established" providers which is probably good for a visitor, as the service is likely to be "reliable" but they may also be a bit "more professional" than the less established ladies. As always YMMV.Good words of advice.
For clarification, did you mean to say Twitter instead of Tinder? If you did indeed mean Tinder, are working girls aggressively offering themselves on Tinder? Having not used Tinder, how do the Brazilian working girls signal they are acompanhantes?
Twitter seems very liberal in allowing escorts to promote themselves. I think the only thing missing from escorts' Twitter accounts are specific services on offer and price.
Thanks Rovnak.
Member #4732
01-10-19, 20:08
Good words of advice.
For clarification, did you mean to say Twitter instead of Tinder? If you did indeed mean Tinder, are working girls aggressively offering themselves on Tinder? Having not used Tinder, how do the Brazilian working girls signal they are acompanhantes?
Twitter seems very liberal in allowing escorts to promote themselves. I think the only thing missing from escorts' Twitter accounts are specific services on offer and price.
Thanks Rovnak.I meant Twitter, yes. Thanks for picking that up.
But in fact I have met several semi-pros on Tinder. I saw the Tinder pages for many more than I met, but the ones I met were all good. A lot of them say they are only interested in a sugar daddy. Sugar baby (SD-SB) thing, but I message them (if we match) that I am not interested in banking them but am open to P4P "per encontro" and about 4 out of 5 will be up for that. 1 in 5 will say that they only want a "daddy".
Having not used Tinder, how do the Brazilian working girls signal they are acompanhantes? .From my experience the working girl's Tinder profile will flat tell you "GP" or "sex for money. " Sometimes you'll see "sugar baby."
HarvestBoi
01-11-19, 07:03
Lmfao. Why I love Brasil.
From my experience the working girl's Tinder profile will flat tell you "GP" or "sex for money. " Sometimes you'll see "sugar baby."
I'm actually kind of surprised Tinder allows profiles that include "sex for money". I would think such direct solicitation would cast a cloud over a supposedly legitimate dating app / site.
Note: I must state I have no experience with Tinder.
Member #4732
01-11-19, 18:12
I'm actually kind of surprised Tinder allows profiles that include "sex for money". I would think such direct solicitation would cast a cloud over a supposedly legitimate dating app / site.
Note: I must state I have no experience with Tinder.I have worked my way through the SP Tinderverse several times for the under 30 age group. Once one has worked through to the point where there are no more girls near you it actually gets better. Because then each day you only see the new girls and there is a much higher percentage of P4P girls in the "daily incremental" listing. That is because the P4P profiles are often denounced and they need to add them again. In my experience I have seldom seen "sex for dinheiro", but I have seen many "Sugar baby", "SB". Occasionally I see "GP", or " , and a lot of time you see the subtler "gosto de homens mais velho" (I like older men) and 'adoro mimos" (I love to be pampered). These latter 2 are tricky as they are not saying explicitly that that are working, so you have to sort of dance your way to the subject or risk insulting them. I usually ask if they are into "encontros casuais" (casual meetings) and some will reply "sou acompanhante" and I say "eu topo" (cool).
In the ambiguous cases I usually look to see if they are including their instagram or not. If they are not including their instagram that is an indicator that they are trying to remain private and are more likely to be working than not.
I just returned from the USA and what a difference between the Tinder profiles there and in Brasil. The USA women, at least the hot looking ones were almost ALL focused on finding men who would spoil them. Most appeared to be self important, materialistic divas. And so many claimed to be owners of their own business or some elite job. The materialism just oozes off of their profiles. The Brasil women on the other hand write "sou simples" (I am simple), looking for honest man, not interested in your car, etc. Different worlds.
Found this one on: photoacompanhantes.com. Suzuki, she lives five minutes from me.
FRobertson
01-11-19, 23:25
Yes, I agree with the others. Very nice report! However, I do take issue with this one piece that you wrote in that there is really not much of anything about the clinica experience that is like a German FKK, or Brazilian termas for that matter. For anybody who has been to neither, I would not want them to be misled. In my view, a clinica is much more like the traditional brothel where the girls are paraded out in front of you, you pick one, and then you go fuck. This is in no way like the FKK (or termas) experience, which I much prefer over the clinica. Just to be clear so that guys don't get the wrong idea. Maybe a clinica is closer to an FKK than a partyreff, but both types of set-ups are really not very close to the FKK model at all. Otherwise, outstanding work!To me, the meaningful differences between partytreff and FKK are as follows:
- Flat rate vs. Per-session.
- Public vs. Private rooms.
I know there's also this social aspect of hanging out with the girls getting to know them, but as I don't speak neither Brazilian nor any of the European languages the girls in Germany would speak, nor, to be frankly, seek socialization in such environments (or in general), these differences are largely lost on me.
What makes FKK special to you?
Member #4732
01-12-19, 03:56
To me, the meaningful differences between partytreff and FKK are as follows:
- Flat rate vs. Per-session.
- Public vs. Private rooms.
I know there's also this social aspect of hanging out with the girls getting to know them, but as I don't speak neither Brazilian nor any of the European languages the girls in Germany would speak, nor, to be frankly, seek socialization in such environments (or in general), these differences are largely lost on me.
What makes FKK special to you?Before you guys get too into this topic it should be restated that there are neither FKKs nor Termas in Sao Paulo and such a discussion in this forum may confuse visitors. Probably should move it.
Member #4732
01-12-19, 04:08
Before you guys get too into this topic it should be restated that there are neither FKKs nor Termas in Sao Paulo and such a discussion in this forum may confuse visitors. Probably should move it.Sorry, I see you are discussing clinicas not termas. My bad. Carry on.
Found this one on: photoacompanhantes.com. Suzuki, she lives five minutes from me.Never been a Suzuki fan, but my, oh my, would I love to ride this one.
Before you guys get too into this topic it should be restated that there are neither FKKs nor Termas in Sao Paulo and such a discussion in this forum may confuse visitors. Probably should move it.Agreed, and that's why you saw no response to his question from me (and won't).
Steve 9696
01-12-19, 20:09
Sounds FR like you value in-room time only — so FKK vs Clinica vs Boate vs Brothel will be all the same to you. Others value total experience — that includes both in room and not in room time. And so here the FKK and Boate scene wins. The FKK even more so with massage and sauna and fully naked girls on parade at all times. Nonetheless the SP Boate is good for overall experience. I generally like to enjoy the whole thing so it's not unusual for my in-room time to be half the total time in an FKK or Boate. Most recently in SP and Campinas:
Scandalo — 3. 5 hrs clock time. 1 HR in room time.
Fazendinha — 5 hrs clock time. 2 hrs in room time.
And I had an absolute blast when not in the room. For me it is an important part of the experience. I think HarvestBoi is cut from this same cloth. For you and others, not so much.
DJ FourMoney
01-12-19, 22:58
I have worked my way through the SP Tinderverse several times for the under 30 age group. Once one has worked through to the point where there are no more girls near you it actually gets better. Because then each day you only see the new girls and there is a much higher percentage of P4P girls in the "daily incremental" listing. That is because the P4P profiles are often denounced and they need to add them again. In my experience I have seldom seen "sex for dinheiro", but I have seen many "Sugar baby", "SB". Occasionally I see "GP", or " , and a lot of time you see the subtler "gosto de homens mais velho" (I like older men) and 'adoro mimos" (I love to be pampered). These latter 2 are tricky as they are not saying explicitly that that are working, so you have to sort of dance your way to the subject or risk insulting them. I usually ask if they are into "encontros casuais" (casual meetings) and some will reply "sou acompanhante" and I say "eu topo" (cool).
In the ambiguous cases I usually look to see if they are including their instagram or not. If they are not including their instagram that is an indicator that they are trying to remain private and are more likely to be working than not.
I just returned from the USA and what a difference between the Tinder profiles there and in Brasil. The USA women, at least the hot looking ones were almost ALL focused on finding men who would spoil them. Most appeared to be self important, materialistic divas. And so many claimed to be owners of their own business or some elite job. The materialism just oozes off of their profiles. The Brasil women on the other hand write "sou simples" (I am simple), looking for honest man, not interested in your car, etc. Different worlds.When I was in Brazil in 2016, I found out too late that Tinder worked there.
Looking through Tinder in Los Angeles is irritating to say the least. If these women were such great catches then they wouldn't be single. It's not just materialism that oozes, it's also narcissism.
I've lost count chick abroad some yacht, in the seat of expensive car or hanging out in some remote area with lavish furnishings. They will take any picture of themselves or have other people take them, all they need is theme music.
One of my specific goals upon returning to Brazil in the near future is to hit Tinder hard, really hard.
DJ FourMoney
01-12-19, 23:17
To me, the meaningful differences between partytreff and FKK are as follows:
- Flat rate vs. Per-session.
- Public vs. Private rooms.
I know there's also this social aspect of hanging out with the girls getting to know them, but as I don't speak neither Brazilian nor any of the European languages the girls in Germany would speak, nor, to be frankly, seek socialization in such environments (or in general), these differences are largely lost on me.
What makes FKK special to you?I dunno maybe it's different now as I do read the various FKK threads over on the Germany forum. But most of the providers I was with (2007) spoke English. The only one that didn't was a Bulgarian woman I did twice, despite not being able to communicate.
There was a Bulgarian that spoke English but she was pushy.
In fact none of the chicks I banged in Brazil spoke English. Of course a few higher priced escorts do but as I explained in my trip report buried somewhere on here that I had money problems as soon as I landed and couldn't partake.
I won't say communication is overrated because that is precisely the reason I am moving away from P4 P to an LTR. But does it really matter much of both parties no while your there? I'm not fanatical about getting my dick sucked so I don't care if it's covered or not.
I generally K. I. S. S when it comes to sex paid for or not.
When I was in Brazil in 2016, I found out too late that Tinder worked there.
Looking through Tinder in Los Angeles is irritating to say the least. If these women were such great catches then they wouldn't be single. It's not just materialism that oozes, it's also narcissism.
I've lost count chick abroad some yacht, in the seat of expensive car or hanging out in some remote area with lavish furnishings. They will take any picture of themselves or have other people take them, all they need is theme music.
One of my specific goals upon returning to Brazil in the near future is to hit Tinder hard, really hard.Tinder in Brasil is a waste of time. For every 10 chicks you talk to only two will meet you in person. Of the two who meet you in person, one will fuck. This has been my experience over the past almost three years.
Looking through Tinder in Los Angeles is irritating to say the least. If these women were such great catches then they wouldn't be single. It's not just materialism that oozes, it's also narcissism.
I've lost count chick abroad some yacht, in the seat of expensive car or hanging out in some remote area with lavish furnishings. They will take any picture of themselves or have other people take them, all they need is theme music.Haha. Stupid, self-centered chicks posting photos on dating sites of themselves on some rich dude's expensive car or boat or in his expensive house. How self-absorbed do you have to be to not know that is not attractive to other men?
ScoobieDiver
01-13-19, 03:36
Hi all,
I was wondering if Sao Paulo hotels tend to be guest friendly in general, or if they tend to disallow unregistered guests?
Thanks.
AssLover945
01-13-19, 13:15
Found this one on: photoacompanhantes.com. Suzuki, she lives five minutes from me.OMG what a lovely bombshell.
Her figure is ideal for me.
When can I get a Brazilian girl!
Sounds FR like you value in-room time only so FKK vs Clinica vs Boate vs Brothel will be all the same to you. Others value total experience that includes both in room and not in room time. And so here the FKK and Boate scene wins. The FKK even more so with massage and sauna and fully naked girls on parade at all times. Nonetheless the SP Boate is good for overall experience. I generally like to enjoy the whole thing so it's not unusual for my in-room time to be half the total time in an FKK or Boate. Most recently in SP and Campinas:
Scandalo 3. 5 hrs clock time. 1 HR in room time.
Fazendinha 5 hrs clock time. 2 hrs in room time.
And I had an absolute blast when not in the room. For me it is an important part of the experience. I think HarvestBoi is cut from this same cloth. For you and others, not so much.The FKK is even better value than the boate. In the FKK you can hang out from the morning to the next morning. In the boate its only the night time.
Member #4732
01-13-19, 15:16
Tinder in Brasil is a waste of time. For every 10 chicks you talk to only two will meet you in person. Of the two who meet you in person, one will fuck. This has been my experience over the past almost three years.I think it depends on one's objectives and one's age. I am too old to really appeal to the "hookup" seekers, if there are any. But I do know some younger guys that have done well with Tinder in other cities. It also depends on your degree of chivalry or cold bloodedness. Its true that most of the women are looking for LTRs or at least "dating" and it requires a certain degree of cold bloodedness to mislead them if all the man is interested in is quick sex. I don't like to play that game so I actually look to Tinder primarily for p4 p options that I have not seen on the escort sites. I have found quite a few good options, particularly girls looking for SB SD relationships but who are willing to do 1 off encounters. At least two of my current regulars that I see once a month came from Tinder, they have no ads on escort sites. I have chosen not to see a lot of others, but they were there for the taking. Three is also the "first time" or "semi-pro" aspect to Tinder, chicks who have not done this much.
But, I would agree with you that it may be a waste of time for a visitor in particular as they do not have the time to court the "daters" nor find the P4P ones.
Mr Enternational
01-13-19, 17:31
I'm actually kind of surprised Tinder allows profiles that include "sex for money". I would think such direct solicitation would cast a cloud over a supposedly legitimate dating app / site.
Note: I must state I have no experience with Tinder.Meanwhile I was banned from Tinder and no idea why. I was hardly ever on the site. When I wrote them to ask why, they were basically like fuck you. And the bad part about it is they did not tell me I was banned. Every time I tried to sign on I would get an error code. I finally decided to search google for that code and found out it meant I was banned.
Mr Enternational
01-13-19, 17:42
Tinder in Brasil is a waste of time. For every 10 chicks you talk to only two will meet you in person. Of the two who meet you in person, one will fuck. This has been my experience over the past almost three years.That is any dating site in general. I would not say it is a waste of time. That is just how picking up chicks work period. It is all statistical. You go up to 10 chicks and ask for their number and only 3 will say yes. Out of those 3 you may go on a date with 2 and only end up fucking 1 or 0. Shit that is how mating works for all animals.
A couple of months ago a dude in the Philippine thread went over with a long list of chicks he had took the time to chat to on sites. All of them ended up flaking in him. That is why I say you better not travel to some far off place with the intention to meet one chick. You better have a back up and a back up to the back up. And your back up to that is to know where you can find the hookers.
Same shit happened to my brother a couple of months ago. He went from Washington DC to Los Angeles to meet a chick that never showed up. I told him he should have fucking known better. If you are going somewhere anyway or if you have a bunch of chicks lined up in a place, but don't make a special trip for 1 chick you have never met. That is the quickest way to get disappointed. 20 years ago when internet dating was new and chicks were all excited about some far off guy coming to see them, it was the bee's knees. But to do that today you would have to be a mf fool.
Same girl with SGBGP on her Tinder profile (Sao Paulo).
... most of the women are looking for LTRs or at least "dating" and it requires a certain degree of cold bloodedness to mislead them if all the man is interested in is quick sex. I don't like to play that game so I actually look to Tinder primarily for p4 p options that I have not seen on the escort sites... Man you hit that right on!
I'm not a Tinder guy, I don't have the patience nor the cold blooodedness as you say.
I find more than enough to handle in both Rio and SP just making the rounds to my spots and of course the acquired roladex.
I do have a buddy, however, who is a Tinder pro.
The guy is methodical and cold blooded with it.
He knows what they want to here and plays into it, then gets what he wants.
I think he got banned a while back, had complaints.
Somehow he either got reinstated or started fresh, I don't know. I just remember him complaining about it.
Definitely not my thing though.
Although I like to go to the clinicas in SP, esp Tangara and Onna, I sometimes like the adventure of independents. I met Sofia at a CLnica but now she went independent. She's just short of 30 yrs, slim, some English, with a natural attractiveness. What gets me about her is that she seems like a very normal girl but really delivers in bed. Definitely a somewhat different experience. Are $200/ HR. She lists under photoacompanhantes.
......I think he got banned a while back, had complaints.
Somehow he either got reinstated or started fresh, I don't know. I just remember him complaining about it.
Definitely not my thing though.I find this fascinating. How did he get banned? I thought Tinder was started for casual hook-ups.
I remember when internet sites like Yahoo Personals and Match.com were first gearing up. You could work the site to find American women who were interested in anonymous sex. Anonymous is the key word. When it became widely known that was happening, many attractive women left the sites.
Same girl with SGBGP on her Tinder profile (Sao Paulo).
Does SGBGP = Sugar Baby Garota de Programa?
Is this the only photo you will find on Tinder?
Does SGBGP = Sugar Baby Garota de Programa?
Is this the only photo you will find on Tinder?Yes, SGBGP = Sugar Baby GDP.
She didn't post her real photo.
I find this fascinating. How did he get banned? I thought Tinder was started for casual hook-ups.
I remember when internet sites like Yahoo Personals and Match.com were first gearing up. You could work the site to find American women who were interested in anonymous sex. Anonymous is the key word. When it became widely known that was happening, many attractive women left the sites.Apparently several girls complained about him.
Within the App, there's a complaint mechanism.
Would these profiles be allowed on Tinder in the USA? Thinking this sort of thing would fly in UK / Germany / Thailand, etc.
FRobertson
01-16-19, 18:51
That is any dating site in general. I would not say it is a waste of time. That is just how picking up chicks work period. It is all statistical. You go up to 10 chicks and ask for their number and only 3 will say yes. Out of those 3 you may go on a date with 2 and only end up fucking 1 or 0. Shit that is how mating works for all animals. When I was in Asia, my funnel looked like this: message 100 chicks, get response from 15, meet 3, sleep with 1 if lucky.
So after building a decent profile (well, as decent as my looks allowed) I had a goal of messaging at least 50 per day, better 100, until I had some action going. Took about 2 weeks to get comfortable.
FRobertson
01-17-19, 01:29
Sounds FR like you value in-room time only so FKK vs Clinica vs Boate vs Brothel will be all the same to you. Others value total experience that includes both in room and not in room time. And so here the FKK and Boate scene wins. The FKK even more so with massage and sauna and fully naked girls on parade at all times. Nonetheless the SP Boate is good for overall experience. I generally like to enjoy the whole thing so it's not unusual for my in-room time to be half the total time in an FKK or Boate. Most recently in SP and Campinas:
Scandalo 3. 5 hrs clock time. 1 HR in room time.
Fazendinha 5 hrs clock time. 2 hrs in room time.
And I had an absolute blast when not in the room. For me it is an important part of the experience. I think HarvestBoi is cut from this same cloth. For you and others, not so much.Yes, exactly. I am actually quite shy and I have a slight form of Asperger's. So I only go to those places for one thing. Physical intimacy with a woman. I don't mean the genital contact, holding hands and hugging, massaging, having a girl sit in my lap is all nice too and helps me feel human and desired, which is something I don't get in the daily life. (even getting naked in front of a girl, my mind kinda disassociates from the experience so I don't "feel" shyness but it's always there) So the social aspect is a distraction at best, and can be very annoying at worst. Depending on how starved for human contact I am.
This trip has been thoroughly therapeutic though, I must say. Tons of "the right kind" of interactions.
FRobertson
01-17-19, 01:41
Moema Prime. Despite your "bad" rating I would encourage others to visit Moema Prime and judge for themselves. Normally, the reception is the most friendly. You have to understand 30 minutes is a very short time and including 2 showers it will pass fast. Prime generally has a large lineup 8-15 girls with a very "high average". It just opened in 2018 and has great facilities. It is my #1 recommendation in Moema.Oh the reception was most friendly. They didn't speak any English so they asked other customers to help explain the system to me.
However, I've been getting 30-minute sessions everywhere else, with two showers (before and after) for me and the girl, as a standard procedure, and this was the only place that insisted on charging me for an hour. That without any advance notice. And obviously they knew that the source of the confusion was not having the common understanding. Because they asked another customer to explain why they want to charge for a full hour.
It would have been a very simple customer service courtesy move to just charge me for 30 minutes. After all, it's not like I was trying to turn 59 minutes into 30 - it was maybe 40 minutes tops. But they used short-term thinking and they lost significant business because this shows that they don't really have the customer service in mind. Maybe they thought that I was just another tourist. A one-time interaction. And I don't want to support that kind of attitude. What sucks is that I had high hopes for this establishment because of the good reviews, and it is less than 10 minutes walk from where I stayed, so it could have been my first choice on a trip where I fucked my way through about 5500 reals.
Yes, the facility is nice, recently renovated, etc etc. I'm sure they'll do splendidly without me.
One. For those of you that are able to do 2 pops in 1 hour. How do you do it? Do you blow your load after first 15 minutes? Relax and chit chat for another 30 minutes and then blow load #2 the final 15 minutes? Is that the best strategy? (I'll probably be on 50 MG of viagara so I think I can pull off the 2nd load within the hour) (Unless you recommend I pop a 2nd 50 MG viagara pill right after I blow my first load.) Tell me how your 2 pop guys do it in an hour? (I'm in my late 40's).
Two. For Casarao IS it better to get there at 1 am instead of 11 pm, to increase my odds at landing a girl from Scandallo work shift who goes to Casarao after her Scandallo shift? I guess what I'm saying is when is the best time to get the best talent at Casarao on a Friday and Saturday night. I'll be there Friday Jan 25.
Three. Is going to Tangara on Saturday at noon a little too early? Should I go there at 1 pm for best talent and most choices of girls to choose from? Do the freelancers come on Saturday or do they only come on Sundays.
4. I plan on going to Scandallo on Tuesday night. Again best time to go is 1 am instead of 11 pm? I do plan on soaking the Scandallo atmosphere. So go there at 11 pm, drink and enjoy for 2 hours, and then make my selection of girl at 1 am and go to town and get my 2 pops in one hour and still cross my fingers and get the amazing Brazilan service?
Sorry for the several questions, just want to do it right, for my 1st visit to Sao Paulo, and increase my odds, with the best girl available at Casarao, Tangara, Scandallo, and obviously get the best service that Brazilians are known for. (The brazilian girls did well for me in 2014 in Rio Di Janeiro). And I just started taking viagara for the last 6 months. Any tips to above 4 questions greatly appreciated. And obviously THANK YOU ALL for the tips I've read on the last 60 pages of the forum.
Member #4732
01-17-19, 14:36
Two. For Casarao IS it better to get there at 1 am instead of 11 pm, to increase my odds at landing a girl from Scandallo work shift who goes to Casarao after her Scandallo shift? I guess what I'm saying is when is the best time to get the best talent at Casarao on a Friday and Saturday night. I'll be there Friday Jan 25.
Three. Is going to Tangara on Saturday at noon a little too early? Should I go there at 1 pm for best talent and most choices of girls to choose from? Do the freelancers come on Saturday or do they only come on Sundays.
4. I plan on going to Scandallo on Tuesday night. Again best time to go is 1 am instead of 11 pm? I do plan on soaking the Scandallo atmosphere. So go there at 11 pm, drink and enjoy for 2 hours, and then make my selection of girl at 1 am and go to town and get my 2 pops in one hour and still cross my fingers and get the amazing Brazilan service?.These are reasonable questions but at the same time don't get too hung up on time and such. My advice is to go early and at worst hang out, I mean what else do you have to do and what better place to do it?
Casarao. It opens at 10 pm, all girls must enter by 12 midnight. If you enter at 11 it is good because it is not crowded and you can navigate the entire club easily and see the chicks as they arrive. Hang out by the stage and you will see all the girls entering with their bags, going up to change and then coming down. By 12:30 all of them should be on the floor. So by 1:00 am you should have seen all there is to see that night. One misconception in your post re Scandalo girls and such. We have said that some girls work various clubs, scandalo, bomboa, casarao, photo, clinicas etc. But I have never said that girls work first at Scandalo and then at Casarao on the same day. I would find that unlikely. Remember Scandalo is open until 5 am too. What I have said is that on any given night you may find chicks at Casarao that on other nights work at other places. Its unlikely that any girls will arrive after 12:00 am because then they have to pay admission and they are all very careful to avoid paying whenever possible.
Tangara. Just go early and hang out. That is the beauty of SP clinicas, unlike Rio, you can hang out in the clinica as long as you want. I don't know about you, but I don't like banging a clincia chick at the end of her shift after she has been "working' all day. I would much prefer to be her first client.
Scandalo. It opens at noon, and there are 3 shifts of women. When I have been a wingman for visitors we have entered before 7 pm to get the discount entrance and we have stayed till past midnight. That straddles 2 shifts. If you prefer to enter at the peak, then enter at 11.
I would not be so concerned about number of pops, but that is your business.
Steve 9696
01-18-19, 02:47
One. For those of you that are able to do 2 pops in 1 hour. How do you do it? Do you blow your load after first 15 minutes? Relax and chit chat for another 30 minutes and then blow load #2 the final 15 minutes? Is that the best strategy? (I'll probably be on 50 MG of viagara so I think I can pull off the 2nd load within the hour) (Unless you recommend I pop a 2nd 50 MG viagara pill right after I blow my first load.) Tell me how your 2 pop guys do it in an hour? (I'm in my late 40's).
Two. For Casarao IS it better to get there at 1 am instead of 11 pm, to increase my odds at landing a girl from Scandallo work shift who goes to Casarao after her Scandallo shift? I guess what I'm saying is when is the best time to get the best talent at Casarao on a Friday and Saturday night. I'll be there Friday Jan 25.
Three. Is going to Tangara on Saturday at noon a little too early? Should I go there at 1 pm for best talent and most choices of girls to choose from? Do the freelancers come on Saturday or do they only come on Sundays.
4. I plan on going to Scandallo on Tuesday night. Again best time to go is 1 am instead of 11 pm? I do plan on soaking the Scandallo atmosphere. So go there at 11 pm, drink and enjoy for 2 hours, and then make my selection of girl at 1 am and go to town and get my 2 pops in one hour and still cross my fingers and get the amazing Brazilan service?
Sorry for the several questions, just want to do it right, for my 1st visit to Sao Paulo, and increase my odds, with the best girl available at Casarao, Tangara, Scandallo, and obviously get the best service that Brazilians are known for. (The brazilian girls did well for me in 2014 in Rio Di Janeiro). And I just started taking viagara for the last 6 months. Any tips to above 4 questions greatly appreciated. And obviously THANK YOU ALL forthe tips I've read on the last 60 pages of the forum.Rovnak as usual has all the best info. Some great insider tips there, so I can't improve on that. On the two pops, yes best to wait 20 or even thirty minutes if I can. A key is to not start again too quickly. Don't sweat the Viagra redose. If 50 makes you hard you will get hard again without redosing. It lasts several hours.
Two other things:
Make sure to agree two pops beforehand. Booking a girl usually only means one unless you agree before. In Portuguese "Duas vezes" (pronounced like vases). The room at Scandalo charges fines past the one hour mark but would be worth it if you are close.
Very unlikely to get a second pop with a condom. If you have to fuck to feel right then do it but you better get back to BBBJ and HJ if you want to pull a second pop at your age. Also don't be afraid to finish by your hand. Only way to go some times. No shame in that.
AltoBomGosto
01-18-19, 11:21
Located at one block of the metro station, is an oriental customers style clinic, most customers are orientals and some time some nipo-braziilian girls show up.
Mon through Sat 10 AM to 10 PM; Sun 12 PM till 8 PM.
Newly renewed, eight rooms, some 10 girls, Sundays most are freelancers, some English speaking girls.
160 reais in cash for one hour.
PM me for details.
ABG.
AltoBomGosto
01-18-19, 11:45
One. For those of you that are able to do 2 pops in 1 hour. How do you do it? Do you blow your load after first 15 minutes? Relax and chit chat for another 30 minutes and then blow load #2 the final 15 minutes? Is that the best strategy? (I'll probably be on 50 MG of viagara so I think I can pull off the 2nd load within the hour) (Unless you recommend I pop a 2nd 50 MG viagara pill right after I blow my first load.) Tell me how your 2 pop guys do it in an hour? (I'm in my late 40's).
Two. For Casarao IS it better to get there at 1 am instead of 11 pm, to increase my odds at landing a girl from Scandallo work shift who goes to Casarao after her Scandallo shift? I guess what I'm saying is when is the best time to get the best talent at Casarao on a Friday and Saturday night. I'll be there Friday Jan 25.
Three. Is going to Tangara on Saturday at noon a little too early? Should I go there at 1 pm for best talent and most choices of girls to choose from? Do the freelancers come on Saturday or do they only come on Sundays.
4. I plan on going to Scandallo on Tuesday night. Again best time to go is 1 am instead of 11 pm? I do plan on soaking the Scandallo atmosphere. So go there at 11 pm, drink and enjoy for 2 hours, and then make my selection of girl at 1 am and go to town and get my 2 pops in one hour and still cross my fingers and get the amazing Brazilan service?
Sorry for the several questions, just want to do it right, for my 1st visit to Sao Paulo, and increase my odds, with the best girl available at Casarao, Tangara, Scandallo, and obviously get the best service that Brazilians are known for. (The brazilian girls did well for me in 2014 in Rio Di Janeiro). And I just started taking viagara for the last 6 months. Any tips to above 4 questions greatly appreciated. And obviously THANK YOU ALL for the tips I've read on the last 60 pages of the forum.Referring to your third question, I would go there around 1 PM, see the girls coming in and, choose a girl right away before the place gets crowded.
Some guys may argue that around 4 PM is the best time, true, there will be almost 40 girls on the parade on this time, but also lots of customers are going to show up and some waiting for empty rooms is very likely to happen. I also prefer to be the first customer of her, because girls are still relaxed.
Yesterday I was there and saw one of the best lineups with some gorgeous girls from Goiania, GO.
If you did your first TD and want to spend the rest of the evening in a more relaxed atmosphere than go to ESPACO VERGEUEIRO, Rua Vergueiro 170, near SAO JOAQUIM station.
It's a bar, some 10 girls at the house around 4 PM. , has five rooms and a large salon for cocktails. Drinks at honest prices, well-selected bar.
GAROTA + ROOM 230 reais, one hour, discounts available for the happy hour and if paid in cash.
Mon. To Sati from noon to 3 AM, Sun closed.
ABG.
In regards to this forum comment: Tangara. Just go early and hang out. That is the beauty of SP clinicas, unlike Rio, you can hang out in the clinica as long as you want.
I never knew you could "hang out" at the clinica as long as you want. That's something new I learned about my planning. Just a little more clarification on what you can do? I saw some pics on Tangara website. I see a L shaped brown couch. You simply hang out with the girls or the other mongers on that couch? Or they bring you beers? I guess I will find out when I go. But now I know I can hang out a little before and after my session.
ABG, Rovnak, Steve96,FRobert. Thanks for you helpful comments to some planning questions I had. Very helpful.
Another great night at Casarao.
Planning my first trip to SP and Rio. I've RTTF for each city and have a good idea of what to expect. So thanks for all your help.
I'm planning for at least 5 days to 1 week for each city. Not sure yet which city first.
Can you guys help with a few questions about the Carnival period?
1) During the week of Carnival, does the mongering scene drop clearly in quality for all options: clinicas, boates, freelancers on websites? I would like to experience the best that Brazil has to offer, but if the options are limited in quality, I'd rather come at a different time.
2) Before: how many days Before the carnival does the mongering scene start to slow down? Is it the same in Rio and SP?
3) After: And how many days After the carnival does it get back to normal?
4) If I do come during Carnival, is Rio a better Carnival experience than SP? Or vice versa?
5) off topic: If I want to fit in Colombia for this trip, should I go before or after Brazil?
Thanks guys.
HM2.
Steve 9696
01-18-19, 23:40
In regards to this forum comment: Tangara. Just go early and hang out. That is the beauty of SP clinicas, unlike Rio, you can hang out in the clinica as long as you want.
I never knew you could "hang out" at the clinica as long as you want. That's something new I learned about my planning. Just a little more clarification on what you can do? I saw some pics on Tangara website. I see a L shaped brown couch. You simply hang out with the girls or the other mongers on that couch? Or they bring you beers? I guess I will find out when I go. But now I know I can hang out a little before and after my session.
ABG, Rovnak, Steve96,FRobert. Thanks for you helpful comments to some planning questions I had. Very helpful.Hmmm. I think it depends on the day and time and your bar for the surroundings. When I went to Tangara at noon on a Sunday there were only three girls and one other guy. The surroundings are a bit low brow and it's not like a singles bar Or anything. I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her.
Maybe there is a different hang out area? But the lobby is pretty uninspiring and not st all a party atmosphere. So maybe at some other time or with some tips about a part of Tangara I don't know about it would have been OK. But I had absolutely no desire to hang out there.
HarvestBoi
01-19-19, 00:18
You have to order beer from across the street. I hung out for an hour or 2 at Tangara and it is true that it was more chill and has more loungy space than the other 2 clinicas I visited (Brooklin and Miruna) BUT 1) I had already has a session and 2) I was hanging with ABG. Don't know if those impacted my experience. I was there on a weekday when the lineup is deeper too.
Hb.
In regards to this forum comment: Tangara. Just go early and hang out. That is the beauty of SP clinicas, unlike Rio, you can hang out in the clinica as long as you want.
I never knew you could "hang out" at the clinica as long as you want. That's something new I learned about my planning. Just a little more clarification on what you can do? I saw some pics on Tangara website. I see a L shaped brown couch. You simply hang out with the girls or the other mongers on that couch? Or they bring you beers? I guess I will find out when I go. But now I know I can hang out a little before and after my session.
ABG, Rovnak, Steve96,FRobert. Thanks for you helpful comments to some planning questions I had. Very helpful.
Member #4732
01-19-19, 02:06
Hmmm. I think it depends on the day and time and your bar for the surroundings. When I went to Tangara at noon on a Sunday there were only three girls and one other guy. The surroundings are a bit low brow and it's not like a singles bar Or anything. I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her.
Maybe there is a different hang out area? But the lobby is pretty uninspiring and not st all a party atmosphere. So maybe at some other time or with some tips about a part of Tangara I don't know about it would have been OK. But I had absolutely no desire to hang out there.Haha, the operative word is "CAN hang out". I was not suggesting its a festive hang out but you CAN hang out even if you are the only one. Its not like Rio where for some odd reason they try to hide the clients from each other. There is always a salon to sit in and watch TV at least. I bring a kindle and read if I am waiting to see the rest of the lineup. Did that today, hung out at Prime just to see 2 new girls that were occupied when I arrived. Sat back and read like I was at the library.
Now, there are some locals who really do use the clinicas like 'hangouts', quase-social clubs. If you are ever at Tangara on a weekend the crowd overflows the salon and people hang out in the patio area. I've even hung out in the girls 'hanger' on the other side, but it was a downer because it smelled like a locker room over there LOL. There are some regulars who sit and chat for hours at TG and Brooklin. But that is as you were pointing out. Subject to time and day.
Member #4732
01-19-19, 02:41
When I went to Tangara at noon on a Sunday there were only three girls and one other guy. The surroundings are a bit low brow and it's not like a singles bar Or anything. I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her..There are 3 things in your statement that I would like to respond to as they might give a reader the wrong impression.
"Sunday at noon and there were only 3 girls" - Sunday is usually a super busy day "by 2 pm". I get TG lineup messages all day every day on whatsapp and they routinely have 20-30 ladies on a Sunday. Actually every day. The ladies don't all arrive at the same time, and either you got there when they had just opened or it might have been a holiday weekend?
" I would have felt super awkward just sitting having juice with this other dude. " -I can understand that you might have been uncomfortable but I assure you that no one else would have cared, not the other guy nor the managers nor the ladies. You could have sat there and read your smartphone and no one would have noticed.
"The girls basically came in one by one and left. They asked which I wanted and Marina was OK looking with a banging body so I chose her" - Actually, you could have said "I am not interested in anyone at the moment", the easiest way to do this for a visitor is to say "I'm thinking" "estou pensando" . And then the management will just ignore you and you can sit there forever and leave when you want or eventually choose someone, 5 minutes or 5 hours later.
I am not trying to pick apart your post to quibble but to straighten out what appear to be some cultural misunderstanding on your part. I think you were inferring some pressure and some "social self consciousness" that really is there only one your side. I think you were "feeling" the way you would be in an American establishment or wherever you are from, but this environment is different. So you may have thought it was awkward, but it was only awkward "for you". Cheers.
AltoBomGosto
01-19-19, 14:15
Planning my first trip to SP and Rio. I've RTTF for each city and have a good idea of what to expect. So thanks for all your help.
I'm planning for at least 5 days to 1 week for each city. Not sure yet which city first.
Can you guys help with a few questions about the Carnival period?
1) During the week of Carnival, does the mongering scene drop clearly in quality for all options: clinicas, boates, freelancers on websites? I would like to experience the best that Brazil has to offer, but if the options are limited in quality, I'd rather come at a different time.
2) Before: how many days Before the carnival does the mongering scene start to slow down? Is it the same in Rio and SP?
3) After: And how many days After the carnival does it get back to normal?
4) If I do come during Carnival, is Rio a better Carnival experience than SP? Or vice versa?
5) off topic: If I want to fit in Colombia for this trip, should I go before or after Brazil?
Thanks guys.
HM2.1) During Carnaval all mongering declines dramatically, even some boites and clinicas will close. Call them before you go. I know for sure, that Tangara will be opened.
2) During the week before and after Carnaval there will intense movement, garotas will be coming in to make money.
3) Sao Paulo next Wednesday, Rio next Saturday.
A good alternative is to go to the Escola de Samba parade, be sure to get your reservation in advance.
In Rio:
https://www.totalacesso.com/pagina/camarotegranderio2018?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_6LbqvH53wIVkIKRCh0OiAuaEAAYASAAEgL6R_D_BwE
Sao Paulo:
http://camarotebarbrahma.com/
If you can communicate there will be a good chance you can get sex in the same night. But watch out, not all the girls will be garotas de programa.
I hope I helped you, any questions please PM me.
ABG.
Member #4732
01-19-19, 16:49
Planning my first trip to SP and Rio. I've RTTF for each city and have a good idea of what to expect. So thanks for all your help.
I'm planning for at least 5 days to 1 week for each city. Not sure yet which city first.
Can you guys help with a few questions about the Carnival period?
1) During the week of Carnival, does the mongering scene drop clearly in quality for all options: clinicas, boates, freelancers on websites? I would like to experience the best that Brazil has to offer, but if the options are limited in quality, I'd rather come at a different time..You might also want to ask the same question on the Rio forum because a lot of posters there may not read this sub.
ABG answered most of your q's but he did not opine on 4. If I do come during Carnival, is Rio a better Carnival experience than SP? Or vice versa?
Most people will say that the Carnival in Rio is far better than SP. The Carnvial parade inside the stadium is more luxurious. Both cities have a lot of street parading as well, what are called "blocos". You should read up elsewhere on Carnival.
I do think its important to visit during Carnival ONLY if you are interested in Carnival. Hotel prices will be higher. As noted, the putaria activity will be next to zero during the 5 days of Carnival itself, Friday to Tuesday. In Rio the "hangover" as noted by ABG lasts until the following Saturday. So do not come for putaria during Carnival.
Dear forumers,
Soon, I will be back in Sao Paulo for few days. By 5 times, I have experienced the scene.
For my next travel, I would like to meet some Subcelebridades. Is there someone who has some contacts. As you know, it needs to be introduce to get access to those book Rosa.
L.
A good alternative is to go to the Escola de Samba parade, be sure to get your reservation in advance.
Most people will say that the Carnival in Rio is far better than SP. The Carnvial parade inside the stadium is more luxurious. Both cities have a lot of street parading as well, what are called "blocos". You should read up elsewhere on Carnival.Many thanks to ABG and Rovnak's responses on the carnival and the other options to consider. Since the hangover period is so long after the Carnival, I might consider going before or a couple of weeks after the Carnival.
I have posted the question in the other thread, since no takers there, here a repost of the same logistics question. I know it is touristy, but I always give back.
I am planning on seeing Foz de Iguazu waterfalls. My roundtrip return point is Sao Paulo Brazil. I plan to stay couple of days at the waterfalls area and then continue to BA, Argentina. A) Which city, area at the walls to stay for a better nightlife? Any suggestions? B) Are there any issues crossing the border (Brazil to Argentina, and maybe to Paraguay and back). C) Is CD del Este, Paraguay is worth visiting? Some words on airports will help too. I see one way fares from BA to Sampa are quite steep. So which route is preferable in this triangle: Sampa, Foz, BA? Should I do one way flights or returns? Thank you.
I have posted the question in the other thread, since no takers there, here a repost of the same logistics question. I know it is touristy, but I always give back.
I am planning on seeing Foz de Iguazu waterfalls. My roundtrip return point is Sao Paulo Brazil. I plan to stay couple of days at the waterfalls area and then continue to BA, Argentina. A) Which city, area at the walls to stay for a better nightlife? Any suggestions? B) Are there any issues crossing the border (Brazil to Argentina, and maybe to Paraguay and back). C) Is CD del Este, Paraguay is worth visiting? Some words on airports will help too. I see one way fares from BA to Sampa are quite steep. So which route is preferable in this triangle: Sampa, Foz, BA? Should I do one way flights or returns? Thank you.CD del Este has a large waterfall called Salto del Monday, which is quite interesting. You can also visit the Itaipu Dam.
In my experience it is always cheaper to fly internally within a country rather than internationally. So better to fly S. Paulo to Foz, cross the border via land to Puerto Iguazu, then fly P. Iguazu to Bu. Aires. But you would have to check all of this to confirm. I think Foz would have the better nightlife than Puerto, but I have not sought this out myself.
Note that there is a one hour time difference between CD del Este and Foz / Puerto. I almost missed my flight from Foz because I thought that they were the same time, but I was actually running one hour late upon my exit via land from Paraguay.
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