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I stayed at Doubletree by Hilton Itaim (rua Manuel Guedes). Girlfriendly of course. Restaurants and convenience stores within short walking distance. Shopping Iguatemi a 20-minutes' walk. I wouldn't want to stay in the Moema area where the clinicas are, because it seemed lacking in convenience stores and eateries.
I stayed at Doubletree by Hilton Itaim (rua Manuel Guedes). Girlfriendly of course. Restaurants and convenience stores within short walking distance. Shopping Iguatemi a 20-minutes' walk. I wouldn't want to stay in the Moema area where the clinicas are, because it seemed lacking in convenience stores and eateries.Again, I stayed at the Mercure Times Square in Moema. There was a decent grocery store within walking distance. There was a nearby barbershop. And although not as close as Bourbon, it was walking distance to Ibirupuera Shopping Center where there are a gazillion places to eat on the lower level. Also plenty of ATMs around, including in the shopping center plus a money exchange place there. And restaurants around on the streets. Moema is an excellent choice for all of these reasons, besides the fact that it's close to lots of clinicas for your daytime action. The only negative to consider is airport noise. I did not experience any problems with that when I stayed at the Mercure Times Square. Also had no problem bringing a girl in. She wasn't dressed like a tute, and we walked right past the desk no issues.
Transamerica looks nice (I know fotos can be misleading). Anyone ever stayed there? A decent pool is always nice.
I always stay at the Renaissance in Jardim Paulista. Lots of good food nearby, grocery stores and drugstores. Super safe to walk around all day and night.
Never had an issue with girls staying with me. Last couple of times, I had two girls spend the weekend and Marriott just charges you an extra person fee which is like $100 for two nights which includes breakfast.
Plus. Fogo do Chao is within walking distance. So after like 7 caipirinhas. I stumble home 🤣129315;.
I always stay at the Renaissance in Jardim Paulista. Lots of good food nearby, grocery stores and drugstores. Super safe to walk around all day and night.
Never had an issue with girls staying with me. Last couple of times, I had two girls spend the weekend and Marriott just charges you an extra person fee which is like $100 for two nights which includes breakfast.
Plus. Fogo do Chao is within walking distance. So after like 7 caipirinhas. I stumble home 🤣129315;.Stayed there years ago. Very nice place and I liked the location. A little on the high side, but no more expensive now than 15 years ago! I guess w Covid, hotels are having a hard time filling rooms.
I'm thinking of these 3 hotels (all 4 star hotels):
Mercure So Paulo Moema Hotel.
Transamerica Executive Paulista.
Mercure So Paulo Pinheiros.
Most important factor is the proximity to the clinicas. It doesn't look like there are any decent hotels near Scandallo. I suppose I'll just taxi there.
According to Natty, Mercury So Paulo seems to be the best bet, with clinicas in walking distance throughout Moema.
I plan on getting a 4 night stay to see if I like it. Then I can either extend or find a new hotel.Mercure are GF. You may consider walk proximity to the nearest metro station. Also, even with google maps tools on walking, sometimes it's just not feasible due to traffic / road layout. Example: you can walk from Moema to Tangara, but practically you need a ride.
DanielMatt
05-04-21, 00:23
I canceled a Sao Paulo trip a few hours before my flight took off about a month ago. When I canceled it, I booked another trip in mid May which is one week away. Brazil's covid situation is still bad. Should I go or cancel my trip again? Really a headache. I am fully vaccinated, but just couldn't find the information such as -- you are safe as long as you have take the second shot of Pfizer covid vaccine. Would you go if you were me? I really missed Sao Paulo.
Stayed there years ago. Very nice place and I liked the location. A little on the high side, but no more expensive now than 15 years ago! I guess w Covid, hotels are having a hard time filling rooms.Yup. Paying $122 a night with breakfast for two and 100 BRL to use for food and drinks at the hotel. That is the cheapest price I have ever seen at the hotel.
SinfullyKorean
05-04-21, 02:32
Another hotel to consider is Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera. I stayed there as well as in Mercure So Paulo Moema Hotel. I like Bourbon Convention better because Ibirapuera shopping mall is steps away and it is better soundproofed than Mercure. That area felt very safe. Also close to some of the clinicas.
Again, I stayed at the Mercure Times Square in Moema. There was a decent grocery store within walking distance. There was a nearby barbershop. And although not as close as Bourbon, it was walking distance to Ibirupuera Shopping Center where there are a gazillion places to eat on the lower level. Also plenty of ATMs around, including in the shopping center plus a money exchange place there. And restaurants around on the streets. Moema is an excellent choice for all of these reasons, besides the fact that it's close to lots of clinicas for your daytime action. The only negative to consider is airport noise. I did not experience any problems with that when I stayed at the Mercure Times Square. Also had no problem bringing a girl in. She wasn't dressed like a tute, and we walked right past the desk no issues.Do you guys think a 4* hotel upgrade is worth it? Sounds like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is slightly more convenient and less noisy. But the other 3 hotels I listed are 4*.
Would you recommend booking WITH the breakfast option? Just wondering how good their breakfasts are. FWIW, when I stayed in Thailand, I thought the breakfast buffets were worth it.
Lastly, when I went through the booking process, it showed different nightly rates for 2 people (even w / o meals) vs 1 person (some hotels). This has no bearing on bringing guests to the hotel, right?
Looks like Mercure São Paulo Moema Hotel's largest bed is a double. I prefer a king, or at least queen. So that option's probably out. And Mercure Times Square in Moema also seems to be the same. Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera on the other hand has a king size bed. All things considered (convenient location, noise, bed size, and cost), it looks like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is the winner.
I'm actually a bit confused. The Bourbon booking site says it's a "double bed (king size)". So does Brazil consider double = king?
Work has already approved my 2 weeks PTO. I'll probably book the flight tomorrow after my 2nd shot. I read that United is much better than American. Fares and baggage fees are comparable. But I don't think I'll need to pack a check-in luggage. A carry on should be sufficient for a 2 week trip.
I had a horrible session with a Filipina last night. I need this trip to get rid of the bad taste in my mouth that session left. LOL. Weather looks amazing, I'm super excited!
Do you guys think a 4* hotel upgrade is worth it? Sounds like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is slightly more convenient and less noisy. But the other 3 hotels I listed are 4*.
Would you recommend booking WITH the breakfast option? Just wondering how good their breakfasts are. FWIW, when I stayed in Thailand, I thought the breakfast buffets were worth it.Nothing beats the buffets in Asia and the ones you get in Brazil are definitely not comparable. But get the breakfast anyways if you are a breakfast person like me. I need my proper breakfast to start my day.
Also. If the rate shows two people, keep it that way. Brazilian hotels will charge you a guest charge of you don't have two guests for your room. It happens at some places and doesn't at others. Just book two guests and if they try to charge you, tell them you have two guests booked.
Do you guys think a 4* hotel upgrade is worth it? Sounds like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is slightly more convenient and less noisy. But the other 3 hotels I listed are 4*.
Would you recommend booking WITH the breakfast option? Just wondering how good their breakfasts are. FWIW, when I stayed in Thailand, I thought the breakfast buffets were worth it.
Lastly, when I went through the booking process, it showed different nightly rates for 2 people (even w / o meals) vs 1 person (some hotels). This has no bearing on bringing guests to the hotel, right?
Looks like Mercure So Paulo Moema Hotel's largest bed is a double. I prefer a king, or at least queen. So that option's probably out. And Mercure Times Square in Moema also seems to be the same. Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera on the other hand has a king size bed. All things considered (convenient location, noise, bed size, and cost), it looks like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is the winner.
I'm actually a bit confused. The Bourbon booking site says it's a "double bed (king size)". So does Brazil consider double = king?
Work has already approved my 2 weeks PTO. I'll probably book the flight tomorrow after my 2nd shot. I read that United is much better than American. Fares and baggage fees are comparable. But I don't think I'll need to pack a check-in luggage. A carry on should be sufficient for a 2 week trip.
I had a horrible session with a Filipina last night. I need this trip to get rid of the bad taste in my mouth that session left. LOL. Weather looks amazing, I'm super excited!I've stayed at the Mercure Times Square a couple of times, and liked it enough that I would do it again. That said, to be honest, I was thinking about giving Bourbon a shot the next time. I never book with breakfast included because I can rarely drag my ass up in time to eat within the time frame they give you. So, it's not a good deal for me. But that's just me. You could be totally different. On the other hand, when going to Brazil I always book for two people without fail. I've never had a problem bringing young girls to my room, and I believe that's been a part of my successful formula (booking for two), besides the front desk just not giving a damn haha! It's extra insurance against any problems and / or extra charges and hassles though. I prefer a king size bed too, but thinking back on it, I don't think I've ever had one in Brazil. I just book whatever the biggest size is that they have, and its been fine. As for airlines, I definitely prefer United over American (can't stand them). I like Delta even better. But then again, that's just me!
I am starting to like the P4P situation in Sao Paulo even better than the Euro fkks. All the p4p facilities in Sao Paulo are non-smoking, in contrast to the smoke-infested Euro fkks. My wallet likes Sao Paulo better too. It was hard to get consistent GFE service in cheap German fkks like Sharks. For reliable GFE service in Europe, I had to go expensive Globe in Zurich @ 280 CHF / hour. A 3-hour session at Globe would set me back 840 CHF. Ouch!! A 3-hour session with an equally hot chic in Sao Paulo can be had for 1,000 reals.
From now on, my main destination is Sao Paulo. However, after Europe opens again, I will still go to fkk Globe occasionally to satisfy the temptation for naked girls and public sex. Globe has the best lineup in the world, if you like the slender gazelle physique like I do. 99% of Globe girls are slim with flat tummies, slender legs and slender asses.
In my opinion, there is no comparison between Globe and Scandallo wrt ambience, number of available girls and the beauty ratio.
I have visited Globe many times and have never seen more than 60 girls (40 is average). Scandallo had 200+ girls during my visits. Globe deliberately limits top talent (in terms of beauty and skills) to 10-15% of total strength, which amounts to 5-8 girls on any given day. Scandallo had at least 50 girls (25% of the strength) I could have picked without hesitation. Another big problem with Globe is the top talent mostly busy or booked in advance. Some don't even make appearance on the floor the whole day. I didn't think finding a beautiful girl I liked was a problem amount 200+ girls at Scandallo.
I saw plenty of gazelle types in Scandallo. Most of the girls there were healthy looking (enough meet on the bones) than anorexic looking gazelle types LOL. I guess Globe is the place if you fancy only gazelle types LOL.
Those who book girls for multiple hours in Globe can easily take a gorgeous Scandallo girl to spend multiple days for the same price.
I don't like the air-conditioning situation at Globe especially in summer. It is hard to enjoy fucking gorgeous girl when you are sweating like a pig LOL. That is not a problem at Scandallo. Yes, Scandallo is expensive when compared to German FKKs but not when compared to Globe. I plan to visit Brazil more and Fkks bit less. Anyone travelling from US to visit Globe should consider visiting Scandallo.
As you have indicated, public sex and voyer day is unique to Globe and worth experiencing them.
In my opinion, there is no comparison between Globe and Scandallo wrt ambience, number of available girls and the beauty ratio.
I have visited Globe many times and have never seen more than 60 girls (40 is average). Scandallo had 200+ girls during my visits. Globe deliberately limits top talent (in terms of beauty and skills) to 10-15% of total strength, which amounts to 5-8 girls on any given day. Scandallo had at least 50 girls (25% of the strength) I could have picked without hesitation. Another big problem with Globe is the top talent mostly busy or booked in advance. Some don't even make appearance on the floor the whole day. I didn't think finding a beautiful girl I liked was a problem amount 200+ girls at Scandallo.
I saw plenty of gazelle types in Scandallo. Most of the girls there were healthy looking (enough meet on the bones) than anorexic looking gazelle types LOL. I guess Globe is the place if you fancy only gazelle types LOL.
Those who book girls for multiple hours in Globe can easily take a gorgeous Scandallo girl to spend multiple days for the same price.
I don't like the air-conditioning situation at Globe especially in summer..At some point, I plan to stop going to Germany altogether, and will focus my major mongering energies in Brazil and Brazil only. Not just on Sampa and Rio either. I mean, I intend to explore many other areas of the country as well.
I've stayed at the Mercure Times Square a couple of times, and liked it enough that I would do it again. That said, to be honest, I was thinking about giving Bourbon a shot the next time. I never book with breakfast included because I can rarely drag my ass up in time to eat within the time frame they give you. So, it's not a good deal for me. But that's just me. You could be totally different. On the other hand, when going to Brazil I always book for two people without fail. I've never had a problem bringing young girls to my room, and I believe that's been a part of my successful formula (booking for two), besides the front desk just not giving a damn haha! It's extra insurance against any problems and / or extra charges and hassles though. I prefer a king size bed too, but thinking back on it, I don't think I've ever had one in Brazil. I just book whatever the biggest size is that they have, and its been fine. As for airlines, I definitely prefer United over American (can't stand them). I like Delta even better. But then again, that's just me!I don't book room with breakfast for the same reason. I don't know how girl friendly Bourbon is. I didn't bother to check during my stay as it was my first trip and had not plans to bring guests. Some hotels consider any guest that is not with you at check-in time as additional guest. Some hotels change extra for such guests or some refuse entry altogether (I have not experience this case but I do hear other reporting on forums time to time).
Bourbon hotel in Foz do Iguayou did allow guests but they charged me 50 Real each time I had a guest. I agree, registering guest at hotel front desk provides security.
I am trying to use my remaining AA miles so I could fly other better airlines but pandemic is not helping.
Do you guys think a 4* hotel upgrade is worth it? Sounds like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is slightly more convenient and less noisy. But the other 3 hotels I listed are 4*.
I use hotels dot com site and according to them all the hotels you have initially picked are 3. 5 stars just like Bourbon. I personally don't care about stars over 3 unless I am brining a guest to impress.
Would you recommend booking WITH the breakfast option? Just wondering how good their breakfasts are. FWIW, when I stayed in Thailand, I thought the breakfast buffets were worth it.
Breakfast costs only 5 bucks for 2 at Bourbon. I did have breakfast one day but I went there a closing time. I thought whatever they had left was decent. Yes hotels in Asian countries do have elaborate breakfast. I wouldn't have such high hopes with Bourbon breakfast.
Lastly, when I went through the booking process, it showed different nightly rates for 2 people (even w / o meals) vs 1 person (some hotels). This has no bearing on bringing guests to the hotel, right?
Looks like Mercure So Paulo Moema Hotel's largest bed is a double. I prefer a king, or at least queen. So that option's probably out. And Mercure Times Square in Moema also seems to be the same. Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera on the other hand has a king size bed. All things considered (convenient location, noise, bed size, and cost), it looks like Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera is the winner.
I'm actually a bit confused. The Bourbon booking site says it's a "double bed (king size)". So does Brazil consider double = king?
I see the price difference on hotel site but the difference is not much. The site I mentioned above shows the same rate for 1 or 2 people. I see great rates for next few months at Bourbon. Even suite or junior suites are about $40/ night and fully refundable until the day of check-in.
In some countries double bed means a bed double the size of single bed. It could be two single beds attached together or a big single bed (king). Choose 1 double bed instead of 2 single beds.
Even tough Mercure and Bourbon hotels are walkable distance from each other I like Bourbon's location. Mall next door has good food court and few restaurants in case you want to eat something as Cane mentioned in his post.
Again, I stayed at the Mercure Times Square in Moema. There was a decent grocery store within walking distance. There was a nearby barbershop. And although not as close as Bourbon, it was walking distance to Ibirupuera Shopping Center where there are a gazillion places to eat on the lower level. Also plenty of ATMs around, including in the shopping center plus a money exchange place there. And restaurants around on the streets. Moema is an excellent choice for all of these reasons, besides the fact that it's close to lots of clinicas for your daytime action. The only negative to consider is airport noise. I did not experience any problems with that when I stayed at the Mercure Times Square. Also had no problem bringing a girl in. She wasn't dressed like a tute, and we walked right past the desk no issues.I agree the shopping center has big food court. It also has few restaurants. There are more than one convince store in that area where you could buy snacks, fruits, water, beer, liquor etc.
I felt very safe walking in Moemo even at night.
SinfullyKorean
05-04-21, 08:16
Nothing beats the buffets in Asia and the ones you get in Brazil are definitely not comparable. But get the breakfast anyways if you are a breakfast person like me. I need my proper breakfast to start my day.Thanks. Opted out of breakfast. Even in LOS, I had a hard time getting up for breakfast. Not much of a breakfast guy anyways. But Dream Hotel's was worth getting up for. I missed a few, though. I'll probably pay for it a la carte.
I've stayed at the Mercure Times Square a couple of times, and liked it enough that I would do it again. That said, to be honest, I was thinking about giving Bourbon a shot the next time. I never book with breakfast included because I can rarely drag my ass up in time to eat within the time frame they give you. So, it's not a good deal for me. But that's just me. You could be totally different. On the other hand, when going to Brazil I always book for two people without fail. I've never had a problem bringing young girls to my room, and I believe that's been a part of my successful formula (booking for two), besides the front desk just not giving a damn haha! It's extra insurance against any problems and / or extra charges and hassles though. I prefer a king size bed too, but thinking back on it, I don't think I've ever had one in Brazil. I just book whatever the biggest size is that they have, and its been fine. As for airlines, I definitely prefer United over American (can't stand them). I like Delta even better. But then again, that's just me!United flight has been booked! Don't think I'll need check-in luggage, so I'm getting round trip for $535 (about 42 k chase points), although I won't be selecting my seat.
I use hotels dot com site and according to them all the hotels you have initially picked are 3. 5 stars just like Bourbon. I personally don't care about stars over 3 unless I am brining a guest to impress.
Breakfast costs only 5 bucks for 2 at Bourbon. I did have breakfast one day but I went there a closing time. I thought whatever they had left was decent. Yes hotels in Asian countries do have elaborate breakfast. I wouldn't have such high hopes with Bourbon breakfast.
I see the price difference on hotel site but the difference is not much. The site I mentioned above shows the same rate for 1 or 2 people. I see great rates for next few months at Bourbon. Even suite or junior suites are about $40/ night and fully refundable until the day of check-in.
In some countries double bed means a bed double the size of single bed. It could be two single beds attached together or a big single bed (king). Choose 1 double bed instead of 2 single beds.
Even tough Mercure and Bourbon hotels are walkable distance from each other I like Bourbon's location. Mall next door has good food court and few restaurants in case you want to eat something as Cane mentioned in his post.Thanks! Booked a week in Bourbon's best room for less than $40/ night! I booked through Chase ultimate rewards and I think I got an additional discount for booking my flight with rewards points.
Might hit up Rio afterwards. Let's see if I get sick of SP by week's end. LOL. I plan on ubering around while I'm there.
From what I can gather, it looks like I need to get a covid test before flying to Brazil and again before flying back to the US?
I canceled a Sao Paulo trip a few hours before my flight took off about a month ago. When I canceled it, I booked another trip in mid May which is one week away. Brazil's covid situation is still bad. Should I go or cancel my trip again? Really a headache. I am fully vaccinated, but just couldn't find the information such as -- you are safe as long as you have take the second shot of Pfizer covid vaccine. Would you go if you were me? I really missed Sao Paulo.CDC does not recommend international travel to 80% of the world and Brazil being one of them regardless if you have been vaccinated. Out of 77 million people vaccinated in the US, 5,800 got infected, 7% hospitalized, and 70 died. The vaccine is very effective but there is still a small chance. Look in the general discussion section where Spidy posted some questions to ask yourself if you should go or not.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-about-5-800-breakthrough-infections-reported-fully-vaccinated-people-n1264186
Might hit up Rio afterwards. Let's see if I get sick of SP by week's end. LOL. You can get a free leg if you book by points. The GIG-GRU leg should cost 0 point. Arrive at one airport and leave from the other airport.
Brazil seems to be the only choice for me now Thailand is shut.
Mercure are GF. You may consider walk proximity to the nearest metro station. Also, even with google maps tools on walking, sometimes it's just not feasible due to traffic / road layout. Example: you can walk from Moema to Tangara, but practically you need a ride.When in a destination I incorporate an exercise routine into walks from mongering destinations. I do it in Europe, Medellin and Sao Paulo. In SP I always stay in Moema and walk to and from the Moema clinicas. With regards to Tangara I take a taxi to Tangara but walk back to my hotel in Moema going through Ibirapuera park in the process.
HarvestBoi
05-04-21, 15:11
In my opinion, there is no comparison between Globe and Scandallo wrt ambience, number of available girls and the beauty ratio.All you say is true. Better food, drinks, service, music (loud, repetitive techno at Globe gives me a headache), security too. For pure top level quality Scandallo is the best venue in the world. Keen to hear from anyone who disagrees.
All you say is true. Better food, drinks, service, music (loud, repetitive techno at Globe gives me a headache), security too. For pure top level quality Scandallo is the best venue in the world. Keen to hear from anyone who disagrees.The baddest "puta palace" on the planet!
https://vimeo.com/162586573
PhuckBiden
05-04-21, 17:13
I canceled a Sao Paulo trip a few hours before my flight took off about a month ago. When I canceled it, I booked another trip in mid May which is one week away. Brazil's covid situation is still bad. Should I go or cancel my trip again? Really a headache. I am fully vaccinated, but just couldn't find the information such as -- you are safe as long as you have take the second shot of Pfizer covid vaccine. Would you go if you were me? I really missed Sao Paulo.A top health official on Wednesday said it was not clear that COVID-19 vaccines offer protection against the so-called Indian variant of the disease, and cited this concern as a key reason why Israel must ban travel to countries with high coronavirus infection rates.
"We don't know about the Indian variant, we don't know enough," Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis, head of public health services at the Health Ministry, said of the strain of the disease ravaging India. Asked about claims and indications that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is effective against the Indian strain, she said: "I didn't see any research on this."
SinfullyKorean
05-04-21, 17:34
I canceled a Sao Paulo trip a few hours before my flight took off about a month ago. When I canceled it, I booked another trip in mid May which is one week away. Brazil's covid situation is still bad. Should I go or cancel my trip again? Really a headache. I am fully vaccinated, but just couldn't find the information such as -- you are safe as long as you have take the second shot of Pfizer covid vaccine. Would you go if you were me? I really missed Sao Paulo.Natty went, he seems to be fine. I'll be going (2nd shot today) in early June. Sick of the travel restrictions. Thailand would be my first choice, but they still have quarantine restrictions. I'll visit the LOS end of this year. Vaccination was for the purpose of getting back to normal. If you can't travel after getting vaccinated, what was the point?
You can get a free leg if you book by points. The GIG-GRU leg should cost 0 point. Arrive at one airport and leave from the other airport.I tried adding Rio as a multi-destination trip, but that made the flight $160 more expensive. I'll just book it separately.
I tried adding Rio as a multi-destination trip, but that made the flight $160 more expensive. I'll just book it separately.Did you book by points? I just tried it but to SDU instead of GIG, and it costs 0 point and $6 fee. It does not affect the US legs price I have.
SinfullyKorean
05-04-21, 19:40
Did you book by points? I just tried it but to SDU instead of GIG, and it costs 0 point and $6 fee. It does not affect the US legs price I have.Yup, I tried on google flights AND chase points. The chase points reservation system is implemented with Expedia.
I tried a multi-destination trip from LAX - SDU - SAO - LAX, which costs $701.
I also tried a multi-destination trip from LAX - RIO - SAO - LAX, which costs $695.
I found that a round trip flight from GRU - SDU is only $22, with free carry-on. LOL.
Yup, I tried on google flights AND chase points. The chase points reservation system is implemented with Expedia.
I tried a multi-destination trip from LAX - SDU - SAO - LAX, which costs $701.
I also tried a multi-destination trip from LAX - RIO - SAO - LAX, which costs $695.
I found that a round trip flight from GRU - SDU is only $22, with free carry-on. LOL.Convert Chase points to UA points and use UA to make reservation with your UA points. You can do what I said or just open jaw to save time.
Normally I don't book with points when I don't get the benefit of booking by points. For round trip, I would just pay for it
SinfullyKorean
05-04-21, 20:05
Convert Chase points to UA points and use UA to make reservation with your UA points. You can do what I said or just open jaw to save time.Ah, I see what you mean now by booking with points. I was trying to book with Chase points, not UA. Thanks for the info! It's more of a hassle at this point. I'd have to cancel my flight, create a new UA account, transfer points, and book again. Not to mention not getting some of the travel protection perks of booking with a CC.
Flights are so cheap between SP and Rio that it's an afterthought.
I did the same thing recently with Mexico. I have had both shots. My only concern was the P1 Variant. I'm reading the P1 Variant is twice as transmittable as regular Covid and Brazil is a hot spot. The thing that really gives me pause is Brazi is overwhelmed with patients now and however remote the possibility I don't want to end up in a Brazil hospital with no language skills in an overwhelmed system. For the record, I'm in my late 50's with no other pre-existing conditions. So, If I was much younger like many of you guys. I would probably go.
Natty went, he seems to be fine. I'll be going (2nd shot today) in early June. Sick of the travel restrictions. Thailand would be my first choice, but they still have quarantine restrictions. I'll visit the LOS end of this year. Vaccination was for the purpose of getting back to normal. If you can't travel after getting vaccinated, what was the point?
I tried adding Rio as a multi-destination trip, but that made the flight $160 more expensive. I'll just book it separately.
At some point, I plan to stop going to Germany altogether, and will focus my major mongering energies in Brazil and Brazil only. Not just on Sampa and Rio either. I mean, I intend to explore many other areas of the country as well.I don't blame you for that decision especially with favorable currency exchange. I am also moving in that direction but I plan on visiting them once in a while.
I have an upcoming trip to SP towards the end of the month that was booked a while ago. With the current situation there is a chance I may cancel it. If I do make the trip I plan to visit Rio (1st time) for couple of days for sight seeing and to visit 4 x4 and other popular boetes.
Thanks! Booked a week in Bourbon's best room for less than $40/ night! I booked through Chase ultimate rewards and I think I got an additional discount for booking my flight with rewards points.
Might hit up Rio afterwards. Let's see if I get sick of SP by week's end. LOL. I plan on ubering around while I'm there.
From what I can gather, it looks like I need to get a covid test before flying to Brazil and again before flying back to the US?I used uber for all my local transport during my visit except for visiting Prime and Abbobora Clinicas which are walkable distance from Bourbon. Uber is definitely very convenient and safe option in SP.
I do have an upcoming trip to SP and Rio this month but it is going to be a last minute decision whether I make the trip or not.
Flights are so cheap between SP and Rio that it's an afterthought.I know. It wasn't about cost in this context. He is paying the flight by points already, so I suggested he could take advantage of the benefit. I mentioned open jaw. In that case, he would need to buy a one way ticket to Rio and then fly back to US from Rio.
The Critic
05-05-21, 04:54
The baddest "puta palace" on the planet!
https://vimeo.com/162586573So True. I got instant flashbacks watching that video and a big smile.
At some point, I plan to stop going to Germany altogether, and will focus my major mongering energies in Brazil and Brazil only. Not just on Sampa and Rio either. I mean, I intend to explore many other areas of the country as well.Spoken like a true anal lover. The Romanians will miss you but I'll try to comfort them in your absence.
Spoken like a true anal lover. The Romanians will miss you but I'll try to comfort them in your absence.My Germany LAA (Lifetime Anal Average) is pretty strong actually. When I first started going, it was 50% butt fucked. That may not sound so bad, until you realize that was a full 20 percentage points behind my Brazil LAA, which easily could have been higher if I lowered my optics standards. In more recent trips to Germany, I was hitting mid to high 60's. Not bad at all! It's just that I have lots of other countries I would like to visit. If those countries have a mongering scene great! And if they don't, then that's fine too. Because I will still always have my Brazil to return to. I'm good!
SocratesNY
05-05-21, 19:18
I know Scandallo currently isn't open on Sundays according to their website.
Google does list it as open on Sundays, so I wonder if they used to be open on Sundays, especially pre-pandemic. If they used to be open on Sundays, I am hoping they will again in the future, due to the scheduling of some of my upcoming trips to SP in the summer and fall.
I know Scandallo currently isn't open on Sundays according to their website.
Google does list it as open on Sundays, so I wonder if they used to be open on Sundays, especially pre-pandemic. If they used to be open on Sundays, I am hoping they will again in the future, due to the scheduling of some of my upcoming trips to SP in the summer and fall.Sorry, but it's closed on Sundays.
I know Scandallo currently isn't open on Sundays according to their website.
Google does list it as open on Sundays, so I wonder if they used to be open on Sundays, especially pre-pandemic. If they used to be open on Sundays, I am hoping they will again in the future, due to the scheduling of some of my upcoming trips to SP in the summer and fall.Yes, they were open pre-pandemic. I have visited the place on a Sunday during my trip in 2019.
SocratesNY
05-05-21, 22:40
Yes, they were open pre-pandemic. I have visited the place on a Sunday during my trip in 2019.Thanks,. If I only had one night to visit Scandallo, which night would normally be the busiest in terms of amount of girls present? Thursday, Friday or Saturday night?
I have a trip planned 3 days / 2 nights trip with the boys to SP planned for later this month, followed by a 4 days / 3 nights solo trip to SP and Rio for the summer.
I am sure 3 nights between SP and Rio (for my 2nd trip) is too short, but with family and work obligations, that's the longest I can be away.
I was planning on 2 nights in Rio on Thursday and Friday and then spend Saturday in SP before flying home Sunday evening. I might switch it up and spend Thursday night in SP and Friday and Saturday night in Rio if that's a better fit for maximizing the talent level in Scandallo and big thermas in Rio.
Basically, my question is:. If you have 3 nights in SP and Rio, how would you split that up?
Socrates.
I think the peak night in Scandallo is probably Wednesday followed by Thursday then maybe Friday. And that's the case for most of the clubs in Sao Paulo. But those days might also be the best for the Termas and prives in Rio. Weekends in both cities tend to have less activity. Though given the size of the scenes, you wont go w/o pussy.
For the few nights you have on the ground, I'd probably settle on one city.
If I only had one night to visit Scandallo, which night would normally be the busiest in terms of amount of girls present? Thursday, Friday or Saturday night?
Basically, my question is:. If you have 3 nights in SP and Rio, how would you split that up?I am very new to the Brazil scene with only 1 trip to SP under my belt. Hopefully experts with SP scene will be able to provide you better guidance.
Based on what I read on this forum SP is a business town where lot of people come in from other places during weekdays and leave on Friday. High end clubs like Scandallo cater to such business man, which means they are busy on weekdays than during weekend. Consensus is that Thursday is the peak with most girls which I can confirm based on my experience. I did visit the club on Thursday and Sunday and I saw way less girls on Sunday.
If I were you I would do SP on Thursday and use other 2 days however you like.
Thanks,. If I only had one night to visit Scandallo, which night would normally be the busiest in terms of amount of girls present? Thursday, Friday or Saturday night?
I have a trip planned 3 days / 2 nights trip with the boys to SP planned for later this month, followed by a 4 days / 3 nights solo trip to SP and Rio for the summer.
I am sure 3 nights between SP and Rio (for my 2nd trip) is too short, but with family and work obligations, that's the longest I can be away.
I was planning on 2 nights in Rio on Thursday and Friday and then spend Saturday in SP before flying home Sunday evening. I might switch it up and spend Thursday night in SP and Friday and Saturday night in Rio if that's a better fit for maximizing the talent level in Scandallo and big thermas in Rio.
Basically, my question is:. If you have 3 nights in SP and Rio, how would you split that up?.If you're flying to Rio/SP, then at least it's better time wise then taking the +6 HR bus ride. Although, consider that, a good chuck of time may still be eaten up with travel between hotels, taxis, airport check-in and airplane time in your 3-day scenario.
W/R to Rio, last I checked Wed thru Fri, are all good days for the termas/P4P action, with Thursdays, still being the best, as much of the business crowd, tend to go home to their wives for the weekend on Fridays.
Personally, I would stick to one city for the 3-days.
SinfullyKorean
05-06-21, 00:01
Yes, Prime is at Av. Ira, 511 - Moema. I like walking around the neighborhood too. But nothing tops Sukhumvit Soi 24 to Soi 26 in BKK for convenience and for in your face (girls sitting outside their parlors beckoning customers inside), wall to wall oilie massage joints. Geylang, in Singapore, was also a national treasure as far as punting and casas were concerned until gentrification began a few years ago. I fondly remember the nights when in addition to all the great Geylang houses (casas) I used to enjoy, there were 100's and 100's of SW girls from Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, and China hanging about. They would swarm you at certain residential intersections, 50 to 60 girls at a time. It was all good fun and an amazing experience!
I forgot to mention, that yes, the facilities at Clinica Carinas were the best of the three clinicas I visited. They had a nicely furnished bedrooms and large, clean bathrooms. But the facilities at Abbobora and Prime were ok / good. Bruna! Nice girl. So soft and tender.Thanks for the deets on Moema clinicas. I'll be sure to make good use of the info.
Do you think Geylang is no longer fun to visit? Or is it just less fun now? I've never been, but will eventually visit, if it's worth it.
As for Thailand, I think the best in your face spots are (were) Thermae Cafe, Cowboy, Nana, and Pattaya's Soi 6. Soi 24 and 26 were the massage shop allies, right? I never had much luck finding any attractive ladies there. One of my favorite soapy massage shops was Mai Chan at Sukhumvit 19. Girls were much cuter and younger. It seemed to tailor to the Japanese / Korean clientele. But pricing was the same as other soapy massage shops.
bangkokoutline.com/ mai-chan-massage-Bangkok /.
SinfullyKorean
05-06-21, 00:22
I would recommend anyone to use UBER plus or pass or whatever it's called so you get discounts on your rides. I used the 1 month free trial when I was there for 2 weeks and saved some dough since I exclusively used UBER to get anywhere in both SP and RJ.
I think the pass for one month was like $6 so even then it's worth it since you save more than that if you use it to go everywhere.
My average trip was like $2 and that's worth it to me to get to places when I want to and not be surrounded by so many people. Security is also a nice peace of mind.
When I left scandallo when it closed the taxi they had out in front charged me double than an uber.Looks like Uber pass only gives 1 week trials now, $25/ mo after. Security is a big concern for me, too.
Steve 9696
05-06-21, 00:32
Looks like Uber pass only gives 1 week trials now, $25/ mo after. Security is a big concern for me, too.Don't worry security. An Uber is as safe as a taxi IMO and maybe safer because no money involved. You don't need a discount card. Uber is so cheap in Brasil it's laughable. You don't even need to budget for it.
Based on what I read on this forum SP is a business town where lot of people come in from other places during weekdays and leave on Friday. High end clubs like Scandallo cater to such business man, which means they are busy on weekdays than during weekend. Consensus is that Thursday is the peak with most girls which I can confirm based on my experience. If I were you I would do SP on Thursday and use other 2 days however you like.I have been to Scandallo several times, always on a Friday or Saturday. And I can say that by 7 pm people were already in there, and then when it really gets rolling, I'm bumping into people left and right everywhere I look! So don't believe you won't find wall to wall people in Scandallo on a Friday or a Saturday night. You can, and I always have. Also, with only 3 days to work with, that's too short to split up between two cities with so much to offer. Stick with just one. Don't ask me which, because I can't answer that. Rio was my first love, but I have come to love Sampa too, which is very different. You really should do both, but 3 days won't allow you to do that very well. So, you have to choose one. I can't tell you which one. Like the girls say in Thailand, "Up to you."
SinfullyKorean
05-06-21, 01:13
Don't worry security. An Uber is as safe as a taxi IMO and maybe safer because no money involved. You don't need a discount card. Uber is so cheap in Brasil it's laughable. You don't even need to budget for it.LOL thanks! I'll skip the Uber Pass. Sounds like $25 might be what I spend on Uber the whole time I'm there, minus to / from the airport.
And for Uber being safe, I meant that's why I'm taking Uber, because I'm concerned for my safety. Haha.
Mr Enternational
05-06-21, 02:46
LOL thanks! I'll skip the Uber Pass. Sounds like $25 might be what I spend on Uber the whole time I'm there, minus to / from the airport.Dude I spent 1 hour inside of an Uber today in Rio and it was less than $7 with the toll! Uber and the exchange rate has changed the game around this mf.
Yup, I tried on google flights AND chase points. The chase points reservation system is implemented with Expedia.
I tried a multi-destination trip from LAX - SDU - SAO - LAX, which costs $701.
I also tried a multi-destination trip from LAX - RIO - SAO - LAX, which costs $695.
I found that a round trip flight from GRU - SDU is only $22, with free carry-on. LOL.How you find that $22 flight? Best I could find was $60. Bus roundtrip is $20. So I guess is 5 hours worth the $40, but I could sleep on the bus and prepare for the night when I arrive.
I have a trip planned 3 days / 2 nights trip with the boys to SP planned for later this month, followed by a 4 days / 3 nights solo trip to SP and Rio for the summer.Let's be clear on this last point. You do know you are leaving the beginning of summer in the USA (and Europe) and heading into Brazil's cooler winter season. Brazil's tropical so it's mild, but expect temps to top out in the 70's during shortened days.
I enjoy Rio in May / June. There's less rain. However if you like long, hot days at the beach, this might impact your decision. On the flip side, muggy summer days are not too desirable in the city of Sao Paulo. The cooler months can be more pleasant than summer months in SP.
SinfullyKorean
05-06-21, 19:10
How you find that $22 flight? Best I could find was $60. Bus roundtrip is $20. So I guess is 5 hours worth the $40, but I could sleep on the bus and prepare for the night when I arrive.I searched on google flights SAO - RIO (6/24-6/28). GOL flights came back as $42. But under "Booking options" it shows gotogate.com as $25. And I believe their carry-on + personal item are free.
Here was the price breakdown on gotogate:
Price / personUS $11.52.
Taxes & charges / personUS $13.40.
Total / personUS $24.92.
Certain days are cheaper. But even on more expensive dates, it looks like it's only $12 more (total $37, although it shows up as $54 on google flights). Unless someone knows of surcharges gotogate tacks on during checkout?
Actually, I did confirm. If you skip all their frills (seat selection, carry-on, etc), it comes out to $36 (for higher priced flights) on GOL airlines on gotogate.com.
SinfullyKorean
05-06-21, 20:29
How you find that $22 flight? Best I could find was $60. Bus roundtrip is $20. So I guess is 5 hours worth the $40, but I could sleep on the bus and prepare for the night when I arrive.It also looks like you need to book at least 2 weeks in advance to get any kind of discounted airfare. Last minute bookings look to be $80+.
Mr Enternational
05-06-21, 20:38
I searched on google flights SAO - RIO (6/24-6/28). GOL flights came back as $42.
First you need to be aware that there are 2 airports in both Sao Paulo and Rio. One is domestic only. The other is international and domestic. The picture that you posted is from Congonhas airport, which is the domestic airport in Sao Paulo. If you are coming in from another country then you will arrive at Guarulhos airport. You would need to take a bus or taxi a long way away to Congonhas to catch the other flight. You need to look for flights between GRU and SDU. I recommend going to Azul's website to buy it.
SinfullyKorean
05-07-21, 00:20
First you need to be aware that there are 2 airports in both Sao Paulo and Rio. One is domestic only. The other is international and domestic. The picture that you posted is from Congonhas airport, which is the domestic airport in Sao Paulo. If you are coming in from another country then you will arrive at Guarulhos airport. You would need to take a bus or taxi a long way away to Congonhas to catch the other flight. You need to look for flights between GRU and SDU. I recommend going to Azul's website to buy it.Yes. The idea is that I'd spend a week in SP before doing a round trip SP. RIO for a few days. And I'd fly out of SP again back to the US at the end of my trip. This isn't the multi-destination trip (LAX. Rio - SP. LAX). This is LAX. SP with SP. RIO in the middle.
So finding that cheap flight out of Congonhas was intentional. It's also only 6 minutes from the Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera hotel. Super convenient!
I typically like to book as late as possible in case there's change of plans, but early enough to still get the best deal possible. So I'll probably book that flight in a week or two.
Exuma Stealth
05-07-21, 03:46
I have been Brazil several times by no means I'm a expert, everything being said is good advice choose one city I prefer SP the beach in not a major concern with me coming from The Bahamas. Never made it to Scandallo but is on the very top of my list my next trip but I'll be going to local spots around the city also.
SinfullyKorean
05-07-21, 05:16
I have been Brazil several times by no means I'm a expert, everything being said is good advice choose one city I prefer SP the beach in not a major concern with me coming from The Bahamas. Never made it to Scandallo but is on the very top of my list my next trip but I'll be going to local spots around the city also.What are some of your favorite local spots? =).
Member #4698
05-07-21, 12:40
Yes. The idea is that I'd spend a week in SP before doing a round trip SP. RIO for a few days. And I'd fly out of SP again back to the US at the end of my trip. This isn't the multi-destination trip (LAX. Rio - SP. LAX). This is LAX. SP with SP. RIO in the middle.
So finding that cheap flight out of Congonhas was intentional. It's also only 6 minutes from the Bourbon Convention Ibirapuera hotel. Super convenient!
I typically like to book as late as possible in case there's change of plans, but early enough to still get the best deal possible. So I'll probably book that flight in a week or two.This sounds good. Basically, you are taking a side trip from SP to RJ which requires a domestic roundtrip CGH. SDU. I liked GOL. The airlines that doesn't take off on schedule. They take off ahead of schedule! My kind of airline. But there are other carriers, just book the cheapest with the times that suit you.
But let me suggest that if you want to eliminate one leg of the domestic roundtrip flight CGH – SDU and just fly one way to RJ, to reconsider the multi destination trip LAX–GRU: GIG-LAX. I do not believe it will cost you more than the international LAX round trip and you will not have to waist 3 hours travelling back to SP on a domestic roundtrip. But I understand why you might want to return to SP after spending time in RJ, so as always, up to you.
One important point I want to make with you is do not expect SP or RJ to be anything like BKK or Pattaya. They are not. I think SP is more like Jakarta with everything spread out, everything real discreet IE not blatantly out in the open like in LOS, and with brothels (Boates) in place of Go Go's, md with clinicas which are basically the same as BKK oilie massage parlors (and I highly recommend them).
RJ also can't be compared to Pattaya. Pat is the Go Go, Open Bar, beer bar, naughty massage parlor capital of the known Universe. There is more pussy per square block in Pattaya than anywhere and the area for fun is, I don't know, roughly 35 city blocks by 15 city blocks. But Pattaya beach is polluted while RJ has some pretty good beaches. Barra was my favorite, but Ipanema and Leblon among others are very good as well. https://www.hotels.com/go/brazil/best-beaches-rio-de-janeiro.
I suppose you can compare RJ with Phuket where arguably Phuket has nicer beaches, but RJ is a much better destination for girls. Much better. Thus, I would take RJ over Phuket almost any day in the week.
It comes down to which flavor of ice cream you desire at the moment; Vanilla ice cream with some mixed flavors available at the same time or Mango ice cream. IMHO Brazilian girls live up to the hype. They look very sexy and they are great in bed especially doing DFK, Deep throat, and CIM. Thai girls are by nature and culture much more demure and conservative, but that is real nice too. The one thing that I found, however, was that my Brazilian girls were all condom girls while I have always experienced Thai girls to be less concerned about this issue and forget about Indonesian, Cambodian, and Filipina girls with whom bareback is pretty much the default.
Anyway, have fun. I know you will.
It comes down to which flavor of ice cream you desire at the moment; Vanilla ice cream with some mixed flavors available at the same time or Mango ice cream. IMHO Brazilian girls live up to the hype. They look very sexy and they are great in bed especially doing DFK, Deep throat, and CIM.And if you enjoy anal sex with hot girls, then Brazil is like Heaven on earth. It's modern-day Sodom I tell you! I used to ask why? Now, I just do it!
SinfullyKorean
05-07-21, 20:27
This sounds good. Basically, you are taking a side trip from SP to RJ which requires a domestic roundtrip CGH. SDU. I liked GOL. The airlines that doesn't take off on schedule. They take off ahead of schedule! My kind of airline. But there are other carriers, just book the cheapest with the times that suit you.
But let me suggest that if you want to eliminate one leg of the domestic roundtrip flight CGH SDU and just fly one way to RJ, to reconsider the multi destination trip LAXGRU: GIG-LAX. I do not believe it will cost you more than the international LAX round trip and you will not have to waist 3 hours travelling back to SP on a domestic roundtrip. But I understand why you might want to return to SP after spending time in RJ, so as always, up to you.
One important point I want to make with you is do not expect SP or RJ to be anything like BKK or Pattaya. They are not. I think SP is more like Jakarta with everything spread out, everything real discreet IE not blatantly out in the open like in LOS, and with brothels (Boates) in place of Go Go's, md with clinicas which are basically the same as BKK oilie massage parlors (and I highly recommend them).
RJ also can't be compared to Pattaya. Pat is the Go Go, Open Bar, beer bar, naughty massage parlor capital of the known Universe. There is more pussy per square block in Pattaya than anywhere and the area for fun is, I don't know, roughly 35 city blocks by 15 city blocks. But Pattaya beach is polluted while RJ has some pretty good beaches. Barra was my favorite, but Ipanema and Leblon among others are very good as well. https://www.hotels.com/go/brazil/best-beaches-rio-de-janeiro.
I suppose you can compare RJ with Phuket where arguably Phuket has nicer beaches, but RJ is a much better destination for girls. Much better. Thus, I would take RJ over Phuket almost any day in the week.
It comes down to which flavor of ice cream you desire at the moment; Vanilla ice cream with some mixed flavors available at the same time or Mango ice cream. IMHO Brazilian girls live up to the hype. They look very sexy and they are great in bed especially doing DFK, Deep throat, and CIM. Thai girls are by nature and culture much more demure and conservative, but that is real nice too. The one thing that I found, however, was that my Brazilian girls were all condom girls while I have always experienced Thai girls to be less concerned about this issue and forget about Indonesian, Cambodian, and Filipina girls with whom bareback is pretty much the default.
Anyway, have fun. I know you will.As always, thanks for the 411, Natty! For Thailand, I could go to a few spots and all the girls and shops were pretty much in your face, as you say. If SP and RJ are more spread out with their clinicas, boetas, and termas, how does one go look for them other than relying on the field reports posted here? I've jotted down a few of the clinicas that have been posted here, but from what I can tell, they look very inconspicuous from the outside. So it doesn't seem like you can just walk around looking for them? Or do I just google map it? Looks like lots of clinicas pop up on google maps in SP. LOL.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get BBFS in Thailand often. It happened a few times. I think it's because the first few times, I was paranoid of STD due to the stigma. So I can't say I was looking very hard for it, either. But the last time I went, I did get it 2 or 3 times. Out of my 2 week visit. LOL. Hopefully, I'll have a higher success rate on my next visit.
RJ beaches sound wonderful! And to be honest, I wasn't that impressed with the beaches in Thailand. I think I should stay in RJ for 4 days instead of 3. Sounds like a great place to relax and the beaches you mention look amazing. I like the club scene, too, so the termas sound very appealing. For this trip, I'll stick with the round trip between SP and RJ. I don't want to go and cancel my flight and rebook it. I'll keep this in mind for my next visit. But does that still mean I need to book with points? I checked on google flights. LAX. RIO - SP. LAX costs $696 as opposed to my $535 roundtrip from LAX. SP. It's also $695 for LAX. SP - RIO. LAX. I think it's because they're automatically tacking on the checked bag costs? Not sure why they do that.
I seriously cannot wait to visit Brazil! I had some really good GFE experiences in LOS, too. And if Brazil is even hotter than that? Whew.
Member #4698
05-08-21, 15:26
And if you enjoy anal sex with hot girls, then Brazil is like Heaven on earth. It's modern-day Sodom I tell you! I used to ask why? Now, I just do it!I kind of know what you are talking about. I was just doing my thing one night with Red, a girl in Solarium. It was our 1st time together and we had just finished a lugubrious 69. Her pussy was wet, wide open, and ready to go. She asked for a condom, however, I protested slightly, and then I gave her one of my Sagami 002's. She applied the condom onto my dick, lubricated herself (I wondered why at that exact moment – ha ha), and then she began the mount, but I didn't slide right into her as I expected. Then I realized she was trying to impale herself anally on my dick. It only took a little bit longer than usual to get fully immersed, but soon I was all the way in and away we went. What a wonderful country! Unsolicited sodomy.
SocratesNY
05-08-21, 15:46
Thanks for all the replies with sound advice and good info. I wouldn't have dreamed of splitting up my 4 days / 3 nights trip to Brazil in August between SP and RJ if was my first time in Brazil. However, I'll be doing a 3 day, 2 nights trip to SP in June with my boys and we'll hit up a few boates (definitely Scandallo) and clinicas (the big ones in Moena).
This second trip in August is more of a visit to RJ, but making sure I have one night at Scandallo as well. My flights will be arriving to and departing from GRU (I had a great deal on RT business class seats for $500 durimg a flash sale) Like SinfullyKorean, my trip to RJ has to be nested in the middle of flights from / to GRU from the US. Unlike him, I don't have the luxury of staying for almost 2 weeks in Brazil.
With the advice and insight provided, I will probably arrive into GRU on Thursday morning, then hop on a flight to SDU. I will have 3 days and 2 nights to check out RJ termas, prives and maybe outcalls, then fly out Sat afternoon from SDU to CGH and have fun in Scandallo at night and maybe hit up a clinica on Sunday before flying home in the evening from GRU.
As the domestic airports are so much closer to the hotels I'll be staying at (Copacabana and Paulista Av.) than the international airports (GRU / GIG) I should also save some travel time, which is key due to my tight itinerary.
Hopefully, my two short trips in June and August will give me a sense of which city I prefer more for future trips, as I have two more trips planned for the fall and winter!
SinfullyKorean
05-08-21, 18:38
And if you enjoy anal sex with hot girls, then Brazil is like Heaven on earth. It's modern-day Sodom I tell you! I used to ask why? Now, I just do it!Hahaha, I'm the same way with anal. I think to myself, why? Is this better than vaginal? Can't wait!
I kind of know what you are talking about. I was just doing my thing one night with Red, a girl in Solarium. It was our 1st time together and we had just finished a lugubrious 69. Her pussy was wet, wide open, and ready to go. She asked for a condom, however, I protested slightly, and then I gave her one of my Sagami 002's. She applied the condom onto my dick, lubricated herself (I wondered why at that exact moment ha ha), and then she began the mount, but I didn't slide right into her as I expected. Then I realized she was trying to impale herself anally on my dick. It only took a little bit longer than usual to get fully immersed, but soon I was all the way in and away we went. What a wonderful country! Unsolicited sodomy.I was going to ask if anal costs extra, but you answered my question: the.
I'm typically a 2 shot guy in a 1 HR session. Is that ok with these girls (whether clinicas, scandallo, or escorts)? Or would you advise just getting 2 separate sessions with 2 diff chicks?
I kind of know what you are talking about. I was just doing my thing one night with Red, a girl in Solarium. It was our 1st time together and we had just finished a lugubrious 69. Her pussy was wet, wide open, and ready to go. She asked for a condom, however, I protested slightly, and then I gave her one of my Sagami 002's. She applied the condom onto my dick, lubricated herself (I wondered why at that exact moment ha ha), and then she began the mount, but I didn't slide right into her as I expected. Then I realized she was trying to impale herself anally on my dick. It only took a little bit longer than usual to get fully immersed, but soon I was all the way in and away we went. What a wonderful country! Unsolicited sodomy."Unsolicited sodomy". This caused another literal laugh out loud! LOLOLOL!
Took the vaccine a while ago and decided to take the plunge back to SP for some work and play. I've been here 6 days so far and from what I've observed people are wearing masks and keeping distance. Did not visit any clinicas as I had a list of twitter or website girls I wanted to see. One of the girls I met last trip helped me with finding testing site before I arrived for the return flight home.
I saw both of these places in Moema and both were directly next to each other and offered same day results via website login.
Alta - 390 BRL, provides results in English and Portuguese. I used their service. In and out in 20 minutes and got my results 5 hours later.
Fleury. Did not check price but they do home visit appointments.
Staying at Tivoli in Jardins. Nice hotel. Booked a room for two and when ladies visit me they sign in at the front and come right up or I met them in the lobby and brought them up without checking them in.
More to come on the experiences with the ladies. I usually like to stay in the 30's and up range but this time I tried a few young guns in their early and mid 20's and they did not disappoint. Goinh to try Bomboa and or Scandallo tonight and report back.
Steve 9696
05-08-21, 23:30
As always, thanks for the 411, Natty! For Thailand, I could go to a few spots and all the girls and shops were pretty much in your face, as you say. If SP and RJ are more spread out with their clinicas, boetas, and termas, how does one go look for them other than relying on the field reports posted here? I've jotted down a few of the clinicas that have been posted here, but from what I can tell, they look very inconspicuous from the outside. So it doesn't seem like you can just walk around looking for them? Or do I just google map it? Looks like lots of clinicas pop up on google maps in SP. LOL.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get BBFS in Thailand often. It happened a few times. I think it's because the first few times, I was paranoid of STD due to the stigma. So I can't say I was looking very hard for it, either. But the last time I went, I did get it 2 or 3 times. Out of my 2 week visit. LOL. Hopefully, I'll have a higher success rate on my next visit.
RJ beaches sound wonderful! And to be honest, I wasn't that impressed with the beaches in Thailand. I think I should stay in RJ for 4 days instead of 3. Sounds like a great place to relax and the beaches you mention look amazing. I like the club scene, too, so the termas sound very appealing. For this trip, I'll stick with the round trip between SP and RJ. I don't want to go and cancel my flight and rebook it. I'll keep this in mind for my next visit. But does that still mean I need to book with points? I checked on google flights. LAX. RIO - SP. LAX costs $696 as opposed to my $535 roundtrip from LAX. SP. It's also $695 for LAX. SP - RIO. LAX. I think it's because they're automatically tacking on the checked bag costs? Not sure why they do that.
I seriously cannot wait to visit Brazil! I had some really good GFE experiences in LOS, too. And if Brazil is even hotter than that? Whew.Really your best source of info is here. If you just Google CLínicas you will get legit medical things and other. If you want more high end facilities then I liked Abbobora and Natty recommended Prime. Enjoy is supposed to be good also. I did Tangará that often gets good reviews and the girls were a good value and they were super nice but the facilities are kinda Motel 6 like. Not really my thing. Others may want to weigh in on mid and low priced CLínicas.
I searched on google flights SAO - RIO (6/24-6/28). GOL flights came back as $42. But under "Booking options" it shows gotogate.com as $25. And I believe their carry-on + personal item are free.
Here was the price breakdown on gotogate:
Price / personUS $11.52.
Taxes & charges / personUS $13.40.
Total / personUS $24.92.
Certain days are cheaper. But even on more expensive dates, it looks like it's only $12 more (total $37, although it shows up as $54 on google flights). Unless someone knows of surcharges gotogate tacks on during checkout?
Actually, I did confirm. If you skip all their frills (seat selection, carry-on, etc), it comes out to $36 (for higher priced flights) on GOL airlines on gotogate.com.I tried it and even tried it for your dates, I still couldn't get it for that price. Oh well.
Took the vaccine a while ago and decided to take the plunge back to SP for some work and play. I've been here 6 days so far and from what I've observed people are wearing masks and keeping distance. Did not visit any clinicas as I had a list of twitter or website girls I wanted to see. One of the girls I met last trip helped me with finding testing site before I arrived for the return flight home.
I saw both of these places in Moema and both were directly next to each other and offered same day results via website login.
Alta - 390 BRL, provides results in English and Portuguese. I used their service. In and out in 20 minutes and got my results 5 hours later.
Fleury. Did not check price but they do home visit appointments.
Staying at Tivoli in Jardins. Nice hotel. Booked a room for two and when ladies visit me they sign in at the front and come right up or I met them in the lobby and brought them up without checking them in.
More to come on the experiences with the ladies. I usually like to stay in the 30's and up range but this time I tried a few young guns in their early and mid 20's and they did not disappoint. Goinh to try Bomboa and or Scandallo tonight and report back.I did the twitter girls when selling sex was allowed on there during the boom. I recommend Sabrina rabanne, she's a minx. One of the most gorgeous women on the planet with good GFE session was Brenda paes, but unfortunately she committed suicide 2 years ago. Any twitter women you recommend on your list?
... What a wonderful country! Unsolicited sodomy.Kind of reminds me of my very first sexual encounter at high school. Two Catholic students romping in the sack. She would not allow me vaginal sex because she was a virgin but she did allow entrance through the back door which I traversed to fruition. My teenage self thought then that if vaginal sex was like this then damn!
DanielMatt
05-10-21, 03:21
Do you Bourbon convention hotel breakfast serve in the Cafe or they deliver to door? I was told they deliver to the door of each room during the lockdown. Is the breakfast cafeteria on the second floor open to guest for buffet breakfast now?
I've stayed at the Mercure Times Square a couple of times, and liked it enough that I would do it again. That said, to be honest, I was thinking about giving Bourbon a shot the next time. I never book with breakfast included because I can rarely drag my ass up in time to eat within the time frame they give you. So, it's not a good deal for me. But that's just me. You could be totally different. On the other hand, when going to Brazil I always book for two people without fail. I've never had a problem bringing young girls to my room, and I believe that's been a part of my successful formula (booking for two), besides the front desk just not giving a damn haha! It's extra insurance against any problems and / or extra charges and hassles though. I prefer a king size bed too, but thinking back on it, I don't think I've ever had one in Brazil. I just book whatever the biggest size is that they have, and its been fine. As for airlines, I definitely prefer United over American (can't stand them). I like Delta even better. But then again, that's just me!
DanielMatt
05-10-21, 03:32
I am thinking to do the covid test at the airport, even though it may need to be there 8 hours before the flight. Do you know if SAO airport still has covid test, and what's the turn around time?
Will check Alta and Fleury also, thanks for the info.
Took the vaccine a while ago and decided to take the plunge back to SP for some work and play. I've been here 6 days so far and from what I've observed people are wearing masks and keeping distance. Did not visit any clinicas as I had a list of twitter or website girls I wanted to see. One of the girls I met last trip helped me with finding testing site before I arrived for the return flight home.
I saw both of these places in Moema and both were directly next to each other and offered same day results via website login.
Alta - 390 BRL, provides results in English and Portuguese. I used their service. In and out in 20 minutes and got my results 5 hours later.
Fleury. Did not check price but they do home visit appointments.
Staying at Tivoli in Jardins. Nice hotel. Booked a room for two and when ladies visit me they sign in at the front and come right up or I met them in the lobby and brought them up without checking them in.
More to come on the experiences with the ladies. I usually like to stay in the 30's and up range but this time I tried a few young guns in their early and mid 20's and they did not disappoint. Goinh to try Bomboa and or Scandallo tonight and report back.
I did the twitter girls when selling sex was allowed on there during the boom. I recommend Sabrina rabanne, she's a minx. One of the most gorgeous women on the planet with good GFE session was Brenda paes, but unfortunately she committed suicide 2 years ago. Any twitter women you recommend on your list?Did you know all of this about Brenda Paes?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12607500.fatal-twist-transsexual-scandal/
SinfullyKorean
05-10-21, 09:47
Really your best source of info is here. If you just Google CLnicas you will get legit medical things and other. If you want more high end facilities then I liked Abbobora and Natty recommended Prime. Enjoy is supposed to be good also. I did Tangar that often gets good reviews and the girls were a good value and they were super nice but the facilities are kinda Motel 6 like. Not really my thing. Others may want to weigh in on mid and low priced CLnicas.It looks like World Travel 69's list is the best place to start. It's even been updated a few times this year:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4065-Sao-Paulo-Map
I started compiling a list as well:
https://goo.gl/maps/QofrkP98KPj4Qa7t8 (list I started compiling).
I'll try and consolidate my list into WorldTravel's list once I verify the locations.
Alta - 390 BRL, provides results in English and Portuguese. I used their service. In and out in 20 minutes and got my results 5 hours later.
Staying at Tivoli in Jardins. Nice hotel. Booked a room for two and when ladies visit me they sign in at the front and come right up or I met them in the lobby and brought them up without checking them in.
More to come on the experiences with the ladies. I usually like to stay in the 30's and up range but this time I tried a few young guns in their early and mid 20's and they did not disappoint. Going to try Bomboa and or Scandallo tonight and report back.Great report, OGC. Looking forward to reading about the rest of your trip! I'm less than 4 weeks away from my trip.
I tried it and even tried it for your dates, I still couldn't get it for that price. Oh well.Not sure what you're doing wrong. Check this URL out: www.google.com/travel/flights/s/dpdZ It's showing $26 ($25.30 at gotogate.com) for me. You're putting in Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro, right? Cheap flight ends up being from CGH to SDU.
I am thinking to do the covid test at the airport, even though it may need to be there 8 hours before the flight. Do you know if SAO airport still has covid test, and what's the turn around time?
Will check Alta and Fleury also, thanks for the info.Are you flying back to the USA? If so, all you need is an antigen test 3 days before your flight. You can get an antigen test done at most pharmacies and I am sure there is one near your hotel. No need to go to the airport and wait around for 8 hours.
If you are flying somewhere that requires a PCR test, look up CR Diagnostics at the Mooca shopping center. They deliver the results next day by 7 am.
If you are flying somewhere that requires a PCR test, look up CR Diagnostics at the Mooca shopping center. They deliver the results next day by 7 am.Did a test at Mooca in December. Arrived half an hour before opening. Long queue of cars in the adjoining street. It took 2 hours to get tested, waiting inside the overheated car, sweltering sun. I had a friend driving me, otherwise a taxi would've charged me how much? Never again.
For my next PCR test in January I drove to the airport the night before my flight. One hour later I could drive back to my hotel. CR Diagnostics are in charge at the airport as well. They ask for an "address in case of quarantine", but no big deal, simply write the address of your hotel (with postal "CEP" code).
Kind of reminds me of my very first sexual encounter at high school. Two Catholic students romping in the sack. She would not allow me vaginal sex because she was a virgin but she did allow entrance through the back door which I traversed to fruition. My teenage self thought then that if vaginal sex was like this then damn!Haha, the rationalizing of a Catholic school girl. I knew a few who were blow job queens in high school. We also know that anal sex is the best form of birth control.
This makes me recall the beautiful porn star Aurora Jolie who I believe only did anal on camera. I think she claimed she was a virgin as well. LOL.
One important point I want to make with you is do not expect SP or RJ to be anything like BKK or Pattaya. They are not. I think SP is more like Jakarta with everything spread out, everything real discreet IE not blatantly out in the open like in LOS, and with brothels (Boates) in place of Go Go's, md with clinicas which are basically the same as BKK oilie massage parlors (and I highly recommend them).
RJ also can't be compared to Pattaya. Pat is the Go Go, Open Bar, beer bar, naughty massage parlor capital of the known Universe. There is more pussy per square block in Pattaya than anywhere and the area for fun is, I don't know, roughly 35 city blocks by 15 city blocks. But Pattaya beach is polluted while RJ has some pretty good beaches. Barra was my favorite, but Ipanema and Leblon among others are very good as well. https://www.hotels.com/go/brazil/best-beaches-rio-de-janeiro.
I suppose you can compare RJ with Phuket where arguably Phuket has nicer beaches, but RJ is a much better destination for girls. Much better. Thus, I would take RJ over Phuket almost any day in the week.It's tough to make comparisons between Brazil and Thailand. Pattaya is one big sex carnival. Brazilian sex venues are more down-low. They're not hard to find, but you need to know where they are located in advance. There are no giant neon signs and girls out front trying to lure you in.
I suppose that's why so many somewhat lazy mongers loved Rio in the 1990's and 2000's. There were hookers on the beach. Hookers at the beachside cafes. And of course, hookers at Help Disco at night. This was all along a magical two block strip on Copacabana Beach.
Rio de Janeiro is also an enormous metropolitan city. Pattaya and Phuket are small, beach cities. I would guess the economies of Pattaya and Phuket are totally dependent on tourism. Then there are the differences in the women.
After spending one long night in Rio, I came to SP for two days to take a break. I prefer SP for the food over Rio. I enjoy good food and look forward to my meals. Rio is boring as fuck for food.
Landed in SP on Saturday late afternoon, went to the Renaissance and checked in. Decided to get my COVID test taken care of for my flight on Monday at a pharmacy near the hotel. Came back and changed clothes to meet the girl I had set up earlier for the weekend. Tall redhead with a decent body for BBFS and anal all weekend.
Had dinner the first night at Nakka Jardins on Saturday night and then some fun in the hotel room afterwards. Sunday was spent at Parque Ibirapuera and a late lunch at Fogo do Chao with lots of caipirinhas. Was able to fuck three times on Sunday.
Monday was spent at the Mercado Municipal to get some fruits and pastel. She left around 3 pm and we had excellent morning sex, sex before the market and good anal before she left.
A calm but fun weekend overall.
Landed in SP on Saturday late afternoon, went to the Renaissance and checked in. Decided to get my COVID test taken care of for my flight on Monday at a pharmacy near the hotel. Came back and changed clothes to meet the girl I had set up earlier for the weekend. Tall redhead with a decent body for BBFS and anal all weekend.How did you go about negotiating for BBFS?
SocratesNY
05-10-21, 21:30
Will be visiting SP for 3 day (60 hours between flights) so thinking of getting the covid-19 antigen test for return to the US at GRU on arrival. Is the cost, turnaround time / wait time much different at GRU vs. Getting it at a local pharmacy like drogasil in the city?
Will be visiting SP for 3 day (60 hours between flights) so thinking of getting the covid-19 antigen test for return to the US at GRU on arrival. Is the cost, turnaround time / wait time much different at GRU vs. Getting it at a local pharmacy like drogasil in the city?I paid about 120 reais at the Drogaria Pacheco which is the same price I paid at Drogasil last time. Took 30 minutes from start to finish. There was no one in line though. The drogasil across the street had 4 people in line and they wanted me to make an appt for the next day. I made one just in case and then walked across the street and got the test done. I don't know the price or wait time at the airport but you can use this info to decide when you land.
How did you go about negotiating for BBFS?WhatsApp approx two weeks before arrival. Some say no right away. I tell them that both of us get tested in the next few days and I will pay for her test. Most of these girls are pretty careful about their health especially that ones that charge a bit more.
CharmingIL
05-11-21, 03:51
Will be visiting SP for 3 day (60 hours between flights) so thinking of getting the covid-19 antigen test for return to the US at GRU on arrival. Is the cost, turnaround time / wait time much different at GRU vs. Getting it at a local pharmacy like drogasil in the city?I made it few days ago at CR Diagnosticos on terminal 3, first floor on the side of Burger King.
I paid 350 reais and got the result in 4 hours.
CharmingIL
05-11-21, 03:56
Did you know all of this about Brenda Paes?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12607500.fatal-twist-transsexual-scandal/Hmmm this is not the same girl he was talking about.
The girl was actually this one, check her twitter.com/ sweetgirll2020.
Rio is boring as fuck for food.Somebody who can't find good restaurants in Rio doesn't know Rio at all.
Not sure what you're doing wrong. Check this URL out: www.google.com/travel/flights/s/dpdZ It's showing $26 ($25.30 at gotogate.com) for me. You're putting in Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro, right? Cheap flight ends up being from CGH to SDU.Oh, for some reason it still didn't work, so I went to gotogate and clicked on your link again and the price showed up afterwards. My browser might have blocked it from showing up! Good stuff!
Did you know all of this about Brenda Paes?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12607500.fatal-twist-transsexual-scandal/Hahahaha. It's not the same person, there's a photo of the named person in the article. And Brenda Paes wouldn't use her real name, it's definitely an alias and a very common name. Although this wouldn't have been the first time I've duped by a tranny before though and I'm sure it won't be the last.
Somebody who can't find good restaurants in Rio doesn't know Rio at all.Looking forward to being enlightened with your knowledge. Would love to have a list for the next trip down there to see if there is really good food. Then this way, I can spend the weekend in Rio and session all the girls from 4 x4 for a much cheaper rate😜.
How did you go about negotiating for BBFS?Showing the money seems to work for me!
I prefer SP for the food over Rio. I enjoy good food and look forward to my meals. Rio is boring as fuck for food.Since this has come up in conversation, I would concur. Sao Paulo has better food than Rio. Sao Paulo is a more sophisticated city with many more sophisticated palates. You could probably say the SP population is also more diverse as well. The good food also seems to cost more.
I enjoy my meals in Rio very much because I generally focus on what Brazilian restaurants do best. As someone mentioned on the Rio thread, a simple steak or fish dish is so much more enjoyable sitting outside along the ocean.
SinfullyKorean
05-12-21, 01:29
Since this has come up in conversation, I would concur. Sao Paulo has better food than Rio. Sao Paulo is a more sophisticated city with many more sophisticated palates. You could probably say the SP population is also more diverse as well. The good food also seems to cost more.
I enjoy my meals in Rio very much because I generally focus on what Brazilian restaurants do best. As someone mentioned on the Rio thread, a simple steak or fish dish is so much more enjoyable sitting outside along the ocean.Do you think SP has better food because it's more gentrified? It seems SP caters more to the tourists / businessmen? Just a guess.
Hahahaha. It's not the same person, there's a photo of the named person in the article. And Brenda Paes wouldn't use her real name, it's definitely an alias and a very common name. Although this wouldn't have been the first time I've duped by a tranny before though and I'm sure it won't be the last.Yeah, if you go to Thailand you got to be on 24/7 alert against that shit. No kidding man. If it looks too, too good in Thailand, then it probably is LOL! I met this guy in Phuket who told me how he got duped. Got to be on guard in the Philippines too!
SinfullyKorean
05-12-21, 02:14
Yeah, if you go to Thailand you got to be on 24/7 alert against that shit. No kidding man. If it looks too, too good in Thailand, then it probably is LOL! I met this guy in Phuket who told me how he got duped. Got to be on guard in the Philippines too!Why be on guard? Just go with the flow. LOL.
Vagabundo1
05-12-21, 02:51
Barra Posto 7, Hula Hula, Fish and Chips with a good hooker is perhaps all that Roman Emperors aspired to.
You could take a viking boat out to sea afterwards and kill the captives, but that is dessert.
Since this has come up in conversation, I would concur. Sao Paulo has better food than Rio. Sao Paulo is a more sophisticated city with many more sophisticated palates. You could probably say the SP population is also more diverse as well. The good food also seems to cost more.
I enjoy my meals in Rio very much because I generally focus on what Brazilian restaurants do best. As someone mentioned on the Rio thread, a simple steak or fish dish is so much more enjoyable sitting outside along the ocean.
Why be on guard? Just go with the flow. LOL.Right, this one says he's a anal connoisseur. LOL. Sounds like he's already familiar with the experience.
BTW, you got me confused with someone else. Never said I'm an anal connoisseur.Well, there's being an anal connoisseur. And then there's just being an A-hole.
After spending one long night in Rio, I came to SP for two days to take a break. I prefer SP for the food over Rio. I enjoy good food and look forward to my meals. Rio is boring as fuck for food.
Take into account that SP has the largest Japanese diaspora (approx. 1. 6 mil.), outside of Japan, would also lend itself as to why a more diverse cuisines would exist, especially With a good mix of European, Middle Eastern Arab and African populations, the type of cuisine to be found can be endless, in such a large city.
But I would argue the same can be found in Rio, just not on the same scale as SP.
Looking forward to being enlightened with your knowledge. Would love to have a list for the next trip down there to see if there is really good food. Then this way, I can spend the weekend in Rio and session all the girls from 4 x4 for a much cheaper rate😜.
Somebody who can't find good restaurants in Rio doesn't know Rio at all.Now my food palate, maybe (unapologetically) pedestrian and not as sophisticated as others, and at times will run more towards good old fashion street food cuisine. Thailand / Bangkok is a great example this. IMHO, it has (or at least it use to have) some of the best street food in the world (well amongst the limited places I've traveled, anyways).
I admit having a great meal "by the beach", is pretty good, but it was a sheer delight when your meal was were served "right-on-the-beach".
One of my all-time favourite meals while in Brazil, was peixe frita e bata com salada, when served right-on-the-beach, with ice cold beers and a side order of some of the best Brasileira bundas, buceta and bronze bodies, strolling by half-naked, in the hot Brasilian sun. Not only was it a tasty meal, but for me, a sublime dining experience, that just keep on giving.
Sadly, most of these street and beach vendors operations shutdown, due to brick-and-mortar restaurants complaining that these vendors weren't paying their fair share of taxes, littering the beaches and were defying Rio Prefeitura ordinances.
For a lot of families, this was Sunday dinner on the beach, where families enjoyed a nice large seafood platter, while the kids splashed about. There is something to be said for those bygone days of eating a nice meal on right-on-the-beach.
Not quite Sao Paulo refined dining/cuisine, but simply "maravilhoso" , none the less.
SinfullyKorean
05-12-21, 23:17
Now my food palate, maybe (unapologetically) pedestrian and not as sophisticated as others, and at times will run more towards good old fashion street food cuisine. Thailand / Bangkok is a great example this. IMHO, it has (or at least it use to have) some of the best street food in the world (well amongst the limited places I've traveled, anyways).
I admit having a great meal "by the beach", is pretty good, but it was a sheer delight when your meal was were served "right-on-the-beach".
One of my all-time favourite meals while in Brazil, was peixe frita e bata com salada, when served right-on-the-beach, with ice cold beers and a side order of some of the best Brasileira bundas, buceta and bronze bodies, strolling by half-naked, in the hot Brasilian sun. Not only was it a tasty meal, but for me, a sublime dining experience, that just keep on giving.
Sadly, most of these street and beach vendors operations shutdown, due to brick-and-mortar restaurants complaining that these vendors weren't paying their fair share of taxes, littering the beaches and were defying Rio Prefeitura ordinances.
For a lot of families, this was Sunday dinner on the beach, where families enjoyed a nice large seafood platter, while the kids splashed about. There is something to be said for those bygone days of eating a nice meal on right-on-the-beach.
Not quite Sao Paulo refined dining/cuisine, but simply "maravilhoso" , none the less.I love this experience. Being able to find delicious, cheap food for $2-$3 with a $1 beer. I don't think I looked very hard for good Thai street food. But the ones I saw didn't look all that appetizing (e. G. Soup in a bag, fried chicken with flies all over, etc). I did have some good Pad See Ew in Phuket, but it was in a main touristy area for 200 baht ($6).
When I was in Vietnam, they had a hole in the wall restaurant where I got some vermicelli dry pho with bbq pork and egg rolls in it for $2. Street vendor bahn mi in Little Tokyo was had for $1! It was delicious and cheap.
I doubt Brazil (SP or RJ) will be like this. From what I've been reading here and on tripadvisor, restaurants there seem to cater more to the well off (average meal being ~$10 or more). I'm eager to hear people prove me wrong. =)
Well, there's being an anal connoisseur. And then there's just being an A-hole.And SinfullyKorean I should clarify. I was not speaking about you.
I doubt Brazil (SP or RJ) will be like this. From what I've been reading here and on tripadvisor, restaurants there seem to cater more to the well off (average meal being ~$10 or more). I'm eager to hear people prove me wrong. =)You can a lot about food from youtube. They are probably not as cheap or as easy to find as Thailand but it is pretty cheap. I have come to the conclusion that Rio's food is great but SP is better. If you just google the ranking. SP is always on top with Mexico City, Lima, rarely you will see Rio mentioned. They both are good enough for me either way
DiverOyster
05-13-21, 04:33
Don't knock it til you try it. And I can't really say I've tried it yet.
In my last visit to Thailand, I was in a desperate situation. I landed late at night. Soi Cowboy and Nana closed. I was walking back to my hotel when a cute chick walks up to me and tells me to name my price. So I take her back to my hotel, I'm groping her the whole way back, making out in the elevator. We wash separately. And that's when she lays it on me. She's a ladyboy. I decided to go ahead, just for a BJ, though. I'm not full on into ladyboys, but that experience left me confused and curious. LOL. Some of these ladyboys are hotter than normal ladies. I remember walking in Soi Cowboy on my first trip to TH and noticing a really hot 10. But she wasn't catcalling and she was standing in front of a known ladyboy club. I had to walk by that club a few times to believe my eyes.
BTW, you got me confused with someone else. Never said I'm an anal connoisseur.There are two types of trans. A pre-op trans would still have a dick between her legs, despite having breasts. A post-op trans would have a pussy between her legs. You can also find a bunch of trans hookers in Kohn, Germany (on the high floor of a building full of hookers. I forgot the name of the building though). It's a place to go to browse after FKK Samya is closed at 2 am or 3 am.
DiverOyster
05-13-21, 04:48
FYI. The restaurants in SP are fully open now. Lots of restaurants are open until 22:00. You still need to wear a mask at entry and a staff will check your temperature at entry. The cost of eating out at a decent restaurant in SP is lower than that in my hometown USA because you don't pay the 18% tips here. But who cares? I am not traveling to SP for the foods.
I am in SP for the Brazilian pussies. The price for a pretty GFE girl in SP is around 500 reals per hour. In my hometown USA, the price would be 1,000 usd per hour, and even at that price, GFE is not guaranteed.
DiverOyster
05-13-21, 04:54
Looking forward to being enlightened with your knowledge. Would love to have a list for the next trip down there to see if there is really good food. Then this way, I can spend the weekend in Rio and session all the girls from 4 x4 for a much cheaper rate😜.How can any pussy be cheaper than those at the clinicas in SP? At around 250 reals per hour including room, can the termas in Rio beat this price? There are lots of decent looking and slim girls providing GFE at clinicas in SP.
So far, I have only focused on SP. I have never been to Rio. Have I missed out on any worthwhile opportunities? I don't care about the beaches (I already have the beaches in the USA). I come to Brazil mainly for the pussies. Should I even bother to venture to Rio at all, given the spectacular situation of pussies in SP?
How can any pussy be cheaper than those at the clinicas in SP? At around 250 reals per hour including room, can the termas in Rio beat this price? There are lots of decent looking and slim girls providing GFE at clinicas in SP.
So far, I have only focused on SP. I have never been to Rio. Have I missed out on any worthwhile opportunities? I don't care about the beaches (I already have the beaches in the USA). I come to Brazil mainly for the pussies. Should I even bother to venture to Rio at all, given the spectacular situation of pussies in SP?At the Termas you can mingle with the women and even make out and grope them before making a decision. This gives you a much better idea of how things will go in the room. Generally in a Clinica you can't get this kind of preview. To me that's a big deal.
SinfullyKorean
05-13-21, 07:01
Besides being disgusting reading about your adventure, you should respect the Forum Rules. "No Discussion about Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males: Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately."I'm sure that rule was put in YEARS ago. If this site's policy is still the same, I will remove. I'll await any input from an "administrator". Feel free to "report" my post, as I'd also like to get a clear understanding on their position.
I've read plenty of posts on such topics without ever having seen any recourse.
I've read plenty of posts on such topicsI'm sure you have, mr connoisseur.
Member #4698
05-13-21, 11:28
At the Termas you can mingle with the women and even make out and grope them before making a decision. This gives you a much better idea of how things will go in the room. Generally in a Clinica you can't get this kind of preview. To me that's a big deal.Yes! I got real "friendly" with every Terma girl I took upstairs before I made my decision to take them upstairs. It is one of the reasons I really liked my Solarium, my favorite terma.
In the clinicas, same as in BKK oily massage parlors, there is virtually no audition time, just a meet and greet. This is why the choice of your clinica is very important. You are relying on the quality and service standards set by the management of the individual clinica and obviously not all clinicas are managed equally. I really like Prime. Most of their girls looked pretty good and their service was always top notch. On my last visit I was talking to another customer after my session. He was a Brazilian guy who had worked in China and the USA and he spoke English well. He attributed Prime's high standards to it's mamasan. He said she recruited the right girls and knew hot to manage them. I could not agree more.
HarvestBoi
05-13-21, 15:07
An important distinction. In Clinicas and many brothels worldwide, you get a peck on the cheek, the name and about 15 seconds to make up your mind. If the visuals are compellingly good, I usually go with it but my spidey sense just isn't keen enough in some cases, leading to disappointment. That's why it boates, FKK and thermas for me.
At the Termas you can mingle with the women and even make out and grope them before making a decision. This gives you a much better idea of how things will go in the room. Generally in a Clinica you can't get this kind of preview. To me that's a big deal..
Take into account that SP has the largest Japanese diaspora (approx. 1. 6 mil.), outside of Japan, would also lend itself as to why a more diverse cuisines would exist, especially With a good mix of European, Middle Eastern Arab and African populations, the type of cuisine to be found can be endless, in such a large city.
But I would argue the same can be found in Rio, just not on the same scale as SP.You mentioned Europeans, but Sao Paulo has a strong cultural tie to Italy. Over 1 million migrated to the state of Sao Paulo. My Sao Paulo contacts always want to take me to an Italian hotspot.
Believe me, I'm knocking the food in Rio. It's fine. However, while tourists bring in money to Copacabana and Ipanema, there are times where some of the popular restaurants slack off. They know much of the clientele is not a returning clientele.
It's like comparing the food scenes of New York City and Miami. There's nothing like the food in NYC where you have a lot of affluent people living and working day to day.
Jimmy Boy 99
05-13-21, 16:32
An important distinction. In Clinicas and many brothels worldwide, you get a peck on the cheek, the name and about 15 seconds to make up your mind. If the visuals are compellingly good, I usually go with it but my spidey sense just isn't keen enough in some cases, leading to disappointment. That's why it boates, FKK and thermas for me.
.In Rio and SP prives and clinicas, after the presentation I ask to speak with the girl to see if she does what I require. At Enjoy in SP, I asked to talk to a girl after the presentation. I asked her the usual questions (kiss, namoradinha (GFE), BBBJ). She said she didn't kiss so I told her thank you but no, and she went back up the stairs. When the receptionist asked why I didn't go with her, I told her, she nodded, and asked if there was someone else I wanted to talk to. As a side note, it is better to ask specific rather than general questions. At another clinica, I asked to speak to a girl and asked her if she was namoradinha style service, without defining what that was to me. I went with her and discovered that she didn't kiss. I asked her how was she namoradinha if she didn't kiss. She said namoradinha with her didn't include kissing. In short, if you don't state what you want upfront, you can't complain about not getting it.
I don't recall ever not being able to speak with a girl when I asked to. If they said no, I would walk out.
FYI. The restaurants in SP are fully open now. Lots of restaurants are open until 22:00. You still need to wear a mask at entry and a staff will check your temperature at entry. The cost of eating out at a decent restaurant in SP is lower than that in my hometown USA because you don't pay the 18% tips here. But who cares? I am not traveling to SP for the foods.
I am in SP for the Brazilian pussies. The price for a pretty GFE girl in SP is around 500 reals per hour. In my hometown USA, the price would be 1,000 usd per hour, and even at that price, GFE is not guaranteed.500 reals / h in Brazil?
I am guessing that's what you pay for a prim provider at a fancy place.
In Rio and SP prives and clinicas, after the presentation I ask to speak with the girl to see if she does what I require. At Enjoy in SP, I asked to talk to a girl after the presentation. I asked her the usual questions (kiss, namoradinha (GFE), BBBJ). She said she didn't kiss so I told her thank you but no, and she went back up the stairs. When the receptionist asked why I didn't go with her, I told her, she nodded, and asked if there was someone else I wanted to talk to. As a side note, it is better to ask specific rather than general questions. At another clinica, I asked to speak to a girl and asked her if she was namoradinha style service, without defining what that was to me. I went with her and discovered that she didn't kiss. I asked her how was she namoradinha if she didn't kiss. She said namoradinha with her didn't include kissing. In short, if you don't state what you want upfront, you can't complain about not getting it.
I don't recall ever not being able to speak with a girl when I asked to. If they said no, I would walk out.Caveat emptor!
I love this experience. Being able to find delicious, cheap food for $2-$3 with a $1 beer. . .
When I was in Vietnam, they had a hole in the wall restaurant where I got some vermicelli dry pho with bbq pork and egg rolls in it for $2. . .Checkout the Netflix series "Street Food: Asia", if you get the chance. There are some amazing "hole-in-the-wall restaurants" as you put it, that start on the street and go on to become 1-Star Michelin restaurants. There's even a new season, "Street Food: Latin America", but I haven't seen it yet.
My only Thailand/Bangkok/Pattaya food experiences, came in circa 1997 and 2015. A long time in between and a lot has changed, but the street food for the most part, is still pretty good.
You mentioned Europeans, but Sao Paulo has a strong cultural tie to Italy. Over 1 million migrated to the state of Sao Paulo. My Sao Paulo contacts always want to take me to an Italian hotspot.
Believe me, I'm knocking the food in Rio. It's fine. However, while tourists bring in money to Copacabana and Ipanema, there are times where some of the popular restaurants slack off. They know much of the clientele is not a returning clientele.
It's like comparing the food scenes of New York City and Miami. There's nothing like the food in NYC where you have a lot of affluent people living and working day to day.All good points. SP and its very large diverse diaspora of cultures, is one of the things that is very attractive about SP (and Brazil in general).
Unfortunately, my food palate, is somewhat pedestrian and not as sophisticated as others. But for whatever reason, I just love street food. Go Figure!
I love this experience. Being able to find delicious, cheap food for $2-$3 with a $1 beer. I don't think I looked very hard for good Thai street food. But the ones I saw didn't look all that appetizing (e. G. Soup in a bag, fried chicken with flies all over, etc). I did have some good Pad See Ew in Phuket, but it was in a main touristy area for 200 baht ($6).
When I was in Vietnam, they had a hole in the wall restaurant where I got some vermicelli dry pho with bbq pork and egg rolls in it for $2. Street vendor bahn mi in Little Tokyo was had for $1! It was delicious and cheap.
I doubt Brazil (SP or RJ) will be like this. From what I've been reading here and on tripadvisor, restaurants there seem to cater more to the well off (average meal being ~$10 or more). I'm eager to hear people prove me wrong. =)You can't compare Asian street food to Brazilian street food. I personally don't think Brazil has street food per se. There aren't vendors on the street like they are in Asia.
I for one love Asian street food. It might be cheap but it tastes amazing. Brazilian food misses that by a lot. Don't get me wrong. It isn't that Brazilian food isn't good, it just doesn't have the extra kick that Asian food has. Now, I am sure someone will come by and tell me that I haven't found proper Brazilian food. And I don't care. I have been coming to this country for the last 20 yrs. Been from the north to the south and have yet to find something that can compare to the variety and flavor of Asia's best.
There are good options in SP as I am sure there are in Rio. But don't get your hopes up. I enjoy a nice picanha, some veggies, beans and rice just as much as the next guy. But I don't want it everyday for my meals. Once in my trip and I am fine. I require variety and flavor and that is something I am willing to pay more for.
You can't compare Asian street food to Brazilian street food. I personally don't think Brazil has street food per se. There aren't vendors on the street like they are in Asia.Right, Brazil doesn't have a street food culture like Asian countries do. Nevertheless, I have had some in Sao Paulo. It was on a Sunday if I recall correctly where they shut down the main drag downtown, and you have people walking around and music and events and all of that kind of thing. There were food trucks way at one end of the street, and other places you could grab a bite to eat. I got a tasty meat dish, something to drink. But, that's as close as it comes to street food in Brazil in terms of what I have personally had. Thailand is great for street food! Tasty and cheap!
Vagabundo1
05-14-21, 02:30
Na brasa Colômbia in Rio is great food, right; on the beach at Olegário Maciel in Barra.
You say you wouldn't live in Rio but now you're back where you choose to live in El Paso. No beach for 1000 miles, de facto part of Mexico, not a center of cuisine more like a shithole.
You can't compare Asian street food to Brazilian street food. I personally don't think Brazil has street food per se. There aren't vendors on the street like they are in Asia.
I for one love Asian street food. It might be cheap but it tastes amazing. Brazilian food misses that by a lot. Don't get me wrong. It isn't that Brazilian food isn't good, it just doesn't have the extra kick that Asian food has. Now, I am sure someone will come by and tell me that I haven't found proper Brazilian food. And I don't care. I have been coming to this country for the last 20 yrs. Been from the north to the south and have yet to find something that can compare to the variety and flavor of Asia's best.
There are good options in SP as I am sure there are in Rio. But don't get your hopes up. I enjoy a nice picanha, some veggies, beans and rice just as much as the next guy. But I don't want it everyday for my meals. Once in my trip and I am fine. I require variety and flavor and that is something I am willing to pay more for.
Vagabundo1
05-14-21, 13:42
This is a good technique tactic and procedure.
I must compliment you despite all the other criticisms haha.
Party like a porn star!
WhatsApp approx two weeks before arrival. Some say no right away. I tell them that both of us get tested in the next few days and I will pay for her test. Most of these girls are pretty careful about their health especially that ones that charge a bit more.
Polyamorist
05-14-21, 16:58
Salaam JimmyBoy,
In Rio and SP prives and clinicas, after the presentation I ask to speak with the girl to see if she does what I require. At Enjoy in SP, I asked to talk to a girl after the presentation. I asked her the usual questions (kiss, namoradinha (GFE), BBBJ).
This is correct. Although these are all a standard part of the service, if you are a gringo some girls will pretend that they are not. For this reason in any clinica is necessary for us to do the Three-Frescura test. In Brazil a frescura is anything a girl does to make a session worse rather than better. The three frescuras are (1) no kissing or bad kissing, (2) refusal to do a BBBJ, and (3) artificial lube in the pussy. I think the locals rarely suffer the frescura treatment, but girls have been conditioned to automatically run frescuras on gringos so it is (unfortunately) necessary for us to ask these rather crude-sounding questions. Even in a high-end boate like Scandallo there are some girls who have conditioned to run frescuras and you have to ask the questions and prove that you are not a dumb tourist: basically making the point that you are human and do not expect to be ripped off.
This mini-interview also gives the girl an opportunity to opt out if she is not attracted to you. In theory every girl in a lineup is available. In practice, not exactly. If the girl wants to opt out, she will act hesitant when you ask her these direct questions. That's not pleasant but it's better you find out at this stage rather than in the room. There are girls who are more than happy to punish you for not doing due diligence. And of course even in Brazil there are some girls who simply don't like the job they are in and shouldn't be there. You need to be able to filter those out.
If you go to touristy clinicas, like Enjoy and certain others in Moema, your chances of running into frescuras (and being ripped off in general) are greater than if you go to places where tourists are unknown. In many ways the "better" parts of Sao Paulo are the worst. I noticed that even in some restaurants they will try to rip off gringos now. You can understand that the pandemic has caused economic hardship and possibly some envy of our relatively rich lifestyle.
I don't recall ever not being able to speak with a girl when I asked to. If they said no, I would walk out.Absolutely correct. It happened to me once in Abbobara and I walked out without picking a girl. That is why I don't go to Abbobara any more.
HarvestBoi
05-14-21, 17:59
I agree and I'the never go with a girl without speaking to her first about service levels. But in my experience just blurting out your service requirements (especially in my monger Porto) is a little off-putting for both of us. Also increases opting out IME.
That's why I prefer the boite / terma / FKK set up, where you can sit many girls, see how they move and hold themselves, which can tell you a lot, before I make my choice. Admittedly it's more time and money consuming though.
This mini-interview also gives the girl an opportunity to opt out if she is not attracted to you. In theory every girl in a lineup is available. In practice, not exactly. If the girl wants to opt out, she will act hesitant when you ask her these direct questions. That's not pleasant but it's better you find out at this stage rather than in the room..
I agree and I'the never go with a girl without speaking to her first about service levels. But in my experience just blurting out your service requirements (especially in my monger Porto) is a little off-putting for both of us. Also increases opting out IME.
That's why I prefer the boite / terma / FKK set up, where you can sit many girls, see how they move and hold themselves, which can tell you a lot, before I make my choice. Admittedly it's more time. and money consuming though.And I add that it's also more fun and enjoyable to me!
Na brasa Colmbia in Rio is great food, right; on the beach at Olegrio Maciel in Barra.
You say you wouldn't live in Rio but now you're back where you choose to live in El Paso. No beach for 1000 miles, de facto part of Mexico, not a center of cuisine more like a shithole.Well. Family is here, kids are here, work is here. So I am here. Simple really. Plus the land is cheap and I have all my future investments pretty squared away and not have to worry about money when I am in my golden years.
True. My town isn't known for its cuisine but that is why I travel. I do weekend trip with friends and family to get to where we want to eat. Plus we know how to cook really well so I can usually order what I want online and have it delivered the next day. Wagyu, fresh oysters, fresh lobster and so forth.
I agree and I'the never go with a girl without speaking to her first about service levels. But in my experience just blurting out your service requirements (especially in my monger Porto) is a little off-putting for both of us. Also increases opting out IME.
That's why I prefer the boite / terma / FKK set up, where you can sit many girls, see how they move and hold themselves, which can tell you a lot, before I make my choice. Admittedly it's more time and money consuming though.
.Time-consuming? That time spent feeling them out in a Termas is an important part of the whole experience! What's better than flirting with dozens of women in bikinis and high heels and coming to a decision based on legitimate physical contact with them? That's unique and it's why every guy should experience a Termas (and / or FKK) at some point in their life.
FWIW in the clinicas I generally do try to speak with my target before choosing, but it's not the same.
SinfullyKorean
05-15-21, 00:22
Time-consuming? That time spent feeling them out in a Termas is an important part of the whole experience! What's better than flirting with dozens of women in bikinis and high heels and coming to a decision based on legitimate physical contact with them? That's unique and it's why every guy should experience a Termas (and / or FKK) at some point in their life.
FWIW in the clinicas I generally do try to speak with my target before choosing, but it's not the same.Do you guys speak Portuguese? I'm trying to learn a few phrases before I go, but obviously, I'm not going to be anywhere near fluent. LOL.
Do you guys speak Portuguese?
No, we keep on returning to the same country doing everything not to learn the language.
If the locals don't understand we speak louder.
I'm sure that rule was put in YEARS ago.
Good work admin. It seems the admin removed your traveca report.
Do you guys speak Portuguese? I'm trying to learn a few phrases before I go, but obviously, I'm not going to be anywhere near fluent. LOL.Mais o menos. I speak portunol. Speak Spanish fluently to live in any Spanish speaking country in the world. Portuguese gets better every trip and improves by drink🤣.
SinfullyKorean
05-15-21, 06:00
Mais o menos. I speak portunol. Speak Spanish fluently to live in any Spanish speaking country in the world. Portuguese gets better every trip and improves by drink🤣.I speak some spanish, so hopefully that helps a bit (sounds like they're more likely to speak spanish than english? But I'll continue to brush up on my portuguese. If your and Natty's experiences have taught me anything, it's that this trip to Brazil will probably not be my last.
Member #4698
05-15-21, 12:22
I speak some spanish, so hopefully that helps a bit (sounds like they're more likely to speak spanish than english? But I'll continue to brush up on my portuguese. If your and Natty's experiences have taught me anything, it's that this trip to Brazil will probably not be my last.Most of the Brazilian girls I met did not speak English and I do not speak a lick of Portuguese. Furthermore, my "gringo" Spanish was of negligible help in most situations although sometimes the girls understood what I was trying to say in Spanish. Every Brazilian I met told me that Spanish was easy to learn, but Portuguese was much more difficult and complicated. I believe them.
But I was able to communicate fairly well with my girls using Google Translate in conversation mode. Many times after a session my girls and I would lay around and converse very nicely using this app. The girls were into it. It is not perfect or as good as just speaking in the same language, but it worked! And it was fun. With Google Translate we could set up what's app connections, make future plans, joke around, compliment one another, and tell each other a little bit about ourselves. I am now a big fan! It is a very useful program.
I speak some spanish, so hopefully that helps a bit (sounds like they're more likely to speak spanish than english? But I'll continue to brush up on my portuguese. If your and Natty's experiences have taught me anything, it's that this trip to Brazil will probably not be my last.If you speak reasonably good Spanish, they will understand you. But you won't understand them. Which won't stop you from having a great time.
Vagabundo1
05-15-21, 15:37
Check out a Portuguese CD at your library, digitize it, and play it to yourself before you come.
If you speak reasonably good Spanish, they will understand you. But you won't understand them. Which won't stop you from having a great time.
....If the locals don't understand we speak louder.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rl9Cxc7uZA
This sounds good. Basically, you are taking a side trip from SP to RJ which requires a domestic roundtrip CGH. SDU. I liked GOL. The airlines that doesn't take off on schedule. They take off ahead of schedule! My kind of airline. But there are other carriers, just book the cheapest with the times that suit you.
But let me suggest that if you want to eliminate one leg of the domestic roundtrip flight CGH SDU and just fly one way to RJ, to reconsider the multi destination trip LAXGRU: GIG-LAX. I do not believe it will cost you more than the international LAX round trip and you will not have to waist 3 hours travelling back to SP on a domestic roundtrip. But I understand why you might want to return to SP after spending time in RJ, so as always, up to you.
One important point I want to make with you is do not expect SP or RJ to be anything like BKK or Pattaya. They are not. I think SP is more like Jakarta with everything spread out, everything real discreet IE not blatantly out in the open like in LOS, and with brothels (Boates) in place of Go Go's, md with clinicas which are basically the same as BKK oilie massage parlors (and I highly recommend them).
RJ also can't be compared to Pattaya. Pat is the Go Go, Open Bar, beer bar, naughty massage parlor capital of the known Universe. There is more pussy per square block in Pattaya than anywhere and the area for fun is, I don't know, roughly 35 city blocks by 15 city blocks. But Pattaya beach is polluted while RJ has some pretty good beaches. Barra was my favorite, but Ipanema and Leblon among others are very good as well. https://www.hotels.com/go/brazil/best-beaches-rio-de-janeiro..You're true! In Thailand girls accept very easily BBFS. That's why I go there all the time! I always bareback and creampie!
I curious about the current P2P situation in boetes like Scandallo, Connection, Bamboa etc.
Those who have recently visited boetes, especially those I mentioned above, I appreciate if you could answer the following questions about girls and compare current situation with 2019 (pre-pandemic).
1. Number of girls? More, less or same.
2. Optics (on average how pretty are they)? More, less or same.
3. What is the mix of pros, semi-pros and armatures? More, less or same for each category.
4. Prices? More, less or same.
I curious about the current P2P situation in boetes like Scandallo, Connection, Bamboa etc.
Those who have recently visited boetes, especially those I mentioned above, I appreciate if you could answer the following questions about girls and compare current situation with 2019 (pre-pandemic).
1. Number of girls? More, less or same.
2. Optics (on average how pretty are they)? More, less or same.
3. What is the mix of pros, semi-pros and armatures? More, less or same for each category.
4. Prices? More, less or same.There's no mix. They are all pros in the venues you mentioned.
I haven't been since Covid started as my trip in February was canceled. However, from what has been reported here, you can likely pay less than you would have a couple years ago. Times are tough and the girls have to be pretty desperate.
...Every Brazilian I met told me that Spanish was easy to learn, but Portuguese was much more difficult and complicated. I believe them...I am surprised to hear that, as the 2 languages have so much in common, and that is probably why Brazilians understand Spanish. The grammar is practically the same. The one big difference I found was the pronunciation, drastically different between Spanish and Portuguese. If you try to read Spanish text and Portuguese text, you will see how close they are. I learned Portuguese first, then I learned Spanish. I often get confused and end up using more Spanish than Portuguese. My Spanish is much better than my Portuguese, as I have visited more Spanish speaking countries.
...But I was able to communicate fairly well with my girls using Google Translate in conversation mode. Many times after a session my girls and I would lay around and converse very nicely using this app. The girls were into it. It is not perfect or as good as just speaking in the same language, but it worked! And it was fun...I agree! A few years ago, I took a mongering trip to Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) and I don't speak any Vietnamese. I managed very well with my translation app (Say Hi). I found it better than Google translate.
I am surprised to hear that, as the 2 languages have so much in common, and that is probably why Brazilians understand Spanish. The grammar is practically the same. The one big difference I found was the pronunciation, drastically different between Spanish and Portuguese. If you try to read Spanish text and Portuguese text, you will see how close they are. I learned Portuguese first, then I learned Spanish. I often get confused and end up using more Spanish than Portuguese. My Spanish is much better than my Portuguese, as I have visited more Spanish speaking countries.
I agree! A few years ago, I took a mongering trip to Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) and I don't speak any Vietnamese. I managed very well with my translation app (Say Hi). I found it better than Google translate.Brasilians generally understand Spanish pretty well. But native Spanish speakers typically don't understand Portugues. Like you said, the pronunciation is very different, with Spanish being much more straitforward in that regard.
DiverOyster
05-18-21, 01:47
Are there any differences in modus operandi between a clinica and a prive? I have been to several clinicas in Moema area such as Abbobora, Miruna, Prime, Enjoy, Julia 57. These are the best value in SP, in comparison to the costs of playing in Scandallo.
I don't think I have been to a prive. Have anyone been to a prive and how does it differ from a clinica? Or the two terms are synonyms and can be used interchangeably?
DiverOyster
05-18-21, 02:11
500 reals / h in Brazil?
I am guessing that's what you pay for a prim provider at a fancy place.You are correct. 500 reals / HR is the minimum price for a Scandallo girl. There are girls at Scandallo who ask even more at around 800 but I usually ignore them. The services at Scandallo vary from girls to girls, despite the high prices. Each girl is a free lancer. I have had top notch GFE services from girls I picked up at Scandallo but I also have had absolutely terrible services. Scandallo itself is a super-luxury club with beautiful modern facilities. However, it is your luck of the draw when it comes to the services of the girls at Scandallo. This modus operandi is a contrast to that of my pre-pandemic playground FKK Globe in Zurich in which the club monitors and controls and services of the girls, even though the Globe girls are also self-employed free lancers. Anyway, I come to Scandallo to enjoy playing in a first-class luxurious setting at night.
During the day in Sao Paulo, the clinicas in Moema offer much better value.
DiverOyster
05-18-21, 02:21
Salaam JimmyBoy,
This is correct. Although these are all a standard part of the service, if you are a gringo some girls will pretend that they are not. For this reason in any clinica is necessary for us to do the Three-Frescura test. In Brazil a frescura is anything a girl does to make a session worse rather than better. The three frescuras are (1) no kissing or bad kissing, (2) refusal to do a BBBJ, and (3) artificial lube in the pussy. I think the locals rarely suffer the frescura treatment, but girls have been conditioned to automatically run frescuras on gringos so it is (unfortunately) necessary for us to ask these rather crude-sounding questions. Even in a high-end boate like Scandallo there are some girls who have conditioned to run frescuras and you have to ask the questions and prove that you are not a dumb tourist: basically making the point that you are human and do not expect to be ripped off.
This mini-interview also gives the girl an opportunity to opt out if she is not attracted to you. In theory every girl in a lineup is available. In practice, not exactly. If the girl wants to opt out, she will act hesitant when you ask her these direct questions. That's not pleasant but it's better you find out at this stage rather than in the room. There are girls who are more than happy to punish you for not doing due diligence. And of course even in Brazil there are some girls who simply don't like the job they are in and shouldn't be there. You need to be able to filter those out.
If you go to touristy clinicas, like Enjoy and certain others in Moema, your chances of running into frescuras (and being ripped off in general) are greater than if you go to places where tourists are unknown. In many ways the "better" parts of Sao Paulo are the worst. I noticed that even in some restaurants they will try to rip off gringos now. You can understand that the pandemic has caused economic hardship and possibly some envy of our relatively rich lifestyle.
Absolutely correct. It happened to me once in Abbobara and I walked out without picking a girl. That is why I don't go to Abbobara any more.I always interview the clinica girls at presentation to make sure they kiss with tongue. At Prime, some girls say no to DFK at interviews. However, I took one such girl up to the room and offered her a tip to dfk and she turned out to be one of the best DFK passionate kissers I have ever had. At the end of the 2-hour session, I gave her a tip of 100 reals which is trivial, really. It is around the price of a lousy lap dance in a strip club in the USA.
DiverOyster
05-18-21, 04:09
Salaam JimmyBoy,
This is correct. Although these are all a standard part of the service, if you are a gringo some girls will pretend that they are not. For this reason in any clinica is necessary for us to do the Three-Frescura test. In Brazil a frescura is anything a girl does to make a session worse rather than better. The three frescuras are (1) no kissing or bad kissing, (2) refusal to do a BBBJ, and (3) artificial lube in the pussy. I think the locals rarely suffer the frescura treatment, but girls have been conditioned to automatically run frescuras on gringos so it is (unfortunately) necessary for us to ask these rather crude-sounding questions. Even in a high-end boate like Scandallo there are some girls who have conditioned to run frescuras and you have to ask the questions and prove that you are not a dumb tourist: basically making the point that you are human and do not expect to be ripped off.
This mini-interview also gives the girl an opportunity to opt out if she is not attracted to you. In theory every girl in a lineup is available. In practice, not exactly. If the girl wants to opt out, she will act hesitant when you ask her these direct questions. That's not pleasant but it's better you find out at this stage rather than in the room. There are girls who are more than happy to punish you for not doing due diligence. And of course even in Brazil there are some girls who simply don't like the job they are in and shouldn't be there. You need to be able to filter those out.
If you go to touristy clinicas, like Enjoy and certain others in Moema, your chances of running into frescuras (and being ripped off in general) are greater than if you go to places where tourists are unknown. In many ways the "better" parts of Sao Paulo are the worst. I noticed that even in some restaurants they will try to rip off gringos now. You can understand that the pandemic has caused economic hardship and possibly some envy of our relatively rich lifestyle.
Absolutely correct. It happened to me once in Abbobara and I walked out without picking a girl. That is why I don't go to Abbobara any more.The clinicas in Moema are not touristy at all. When I go to these clinicas, usually I am the only non-Portugese speaker. Everybody else speaks Portugese fluently. These clinicas serve mostly Brazilian clients.
Polyamorist
05-18-21, 05:46
The clinicas in Moema are not touristy at all. When I go to these clinicas, usually I am the only non-Portugese speaker. Everybody else speaks Portugese fluently. These clinicas serve mostly Brazilian clients.When I say "touristy" of a district or establishment, I don't mean that most people in it are tourists. I mean that enough tourists have visited that the locals have developed special routines for foreigners -- nearly always stuff you want to avoid.
It only takes 1 in a 1000, and there will be routines. Nets to catch the special fish.
For example, a clinica girl recently messaged me a long plea in English, clearly a scam that had already been prepared for other gringos. Less than 1% of her clients would be gringos and obviously she didn't speak English. It was sad evidence that many of these girls are controlled by pimps. Something most of us would prefer not to know.
If you or others get such a heart-rending message, Mr Oyster, please ignore it. "What strikes the oyster shell does not damage the pearl. " -- Rumi.
Exec Talent
05-19-21, 13:15
When I say "touristy" of a district or establishment, I don't mean that most people in it are tourists. I mean that enough tourists have visited that the locals have developed special routines for foreigners -- nearly always stuff you want to avoid.
It only takes 1 in a 1000, and there will be routines. Nets to catch the special fish.
For example, a clinica girl recently messaged me a long plea in English, clearly a scam that had already been prepared for other gringos. Less than 1% of her clients would be gringos and obviously she didn't speak English. It was sad evidence that many of these girls are controlled by pimps. Something most of us would prefer not to know.
If you or others get such a heart-rending message, Mr Oyster, please ignore it. "What strikes the oyster shell does not damage the pearl. " -- Rumi.In Brazil, most of the girls are not controlled by pimps. Many are attracted to the life because they are in control of themselves and their money. Most people think that girls do not have options in brothels in Brazil (used generically and collectively) but they do. They can decline clients and they can always walk away. It gets old on this forum seeing statements from gringos who really do not know service providers or Brazil. Organized crime does control other countries, but not in the major cities of Brazil.
SocratesNY
05-19-21, 21:15
Seems Scandallo has been open for almost 3 weeks.
How is the situation there now?
How is the talent level ATM?
Is the curfew affecting the club? Does it have to close early?
I am heading to SP over Memorial Day weekend with the boys and plan to go there on Saturday 5/29.
For example, a clinica girl recently messaged me a long plea in English, clearly a scam that had already been prepared for other gringos. Less than 1% of her clients would be gringos and obviously she didn't speak English. It was sad evidence that many of these girls are controlled by pimps. Something most of us would prefer not to know.You might be jumping to a conclusion on the involvement pimps. These type of email scams are very common from Brazilian women (and men) you befriend. The men usually concoct some type of be. S. Business opportunity which needs immediate funding. When I receive them, I just think to myself "Too bad. I liked hanging with that person."
They likely had a friend who got some cash from a couple gringos with that same exact email. From their perspective, foreign visitors have so much money what's a few hundred or a few thousand from a bunch of gringos.
SinfullyKorean
05-19-21, 23:15
I am heading to SP over Memorial Day weekend with the boys and plan to go there on Saturday 5/29.Looking forward to your report. I'll be there soon after you.
When I say "touristy" of a district or establishment, I don't mean that most people in it are tourists. I mean that enough tourists have visited that the locals have developed special routines for foreigners -- nearly always stuff you want to avoid.
It only takes 1 in a 1000, and there will be routines. Nets to catch the special fish.
For example, a clinica girl recently messaged me a long plea in English, clearly a scam that had already been prepared for other gringos. Less than 1% of her clients would be gringos and obviously she didn't speak English. It was sad evidence that many of these girls are controlled by pimps. Something most of us would prefer not to know.
If you or others get such a heart-rending message, Mr Oyster, please ignore it. "What strikes the oyster shell does not damage the pearl. " -- Rumi.Prostitution is legal in Brazil but pimps are not.
Girls are independent and may have BF's, husbands, or drug dealers that they fuck for drugs.
But like the US, human trafficking or slavery still happens in Brazil because there are poor people.
DanielMatt
05-20-21, 23:18
Found this girl at https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/, back and forth on whatsup, and set up a time for her to come to my hotel. She did not show up the first time, and when she finally showed up the second day, she is not the girl of the photo, and it says 19 years old, but looks more like 35 years old. I gave her uber money and let her go. Really bad experience. https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/ is not good.
BTW, anybody knows the current situation about Scandolla? Still R150 entrance charge fully consumable before 7:00 PM every day (or some days, what are those days)? How much is after 7:00 pm? Thursday night used to be the best night. How is now? How is Friday, and Saturday? Is it worthy to go there on a Saturday night? Thanks.
Incrociatore
05-20-21, 23:20
Brasilians generally understand Spanish pretty well.This is not true. I do speak Spanish, and they do not understand it. Very few do. I also had a Brazilian girlfriend, and we went to Spain together, years ago. She couldn't speak, neither understand Spanish.
This is not true. I do speak Spanish, and they do not understand it. Very few do. I also had a Brazilian girlfriend, and we went to Spain together, years ago. She couldn't speak, neither understand Spanish.I speak Spanish and have been to Brazil many, many times. I believe the truth is somewhere in between. I would not say that all Brazilians understand Spanish well, but if you speak it slow enough and well enough yourself, then they will get a lot of what you are saying in simple conversations. I know this to be true because I've done it many, many times myself. I even had one Brazilian girl ask me to speak in Spanish versus English because she could understand me better. So, although not nearly a 100% substitute for knowing Portuguese, Spanish can indeed be useful in helping you to communicate in Brazil. I reported on this after my very first trip to Brazil years ago, and I ironclad stand behind it to this day.
This is not true. I do speak Spanish, and they do not understand it. Very few do. I also had a Brazilian girlfriend, and we went to Spain together, years ago. She couldn't speak, neither understand Spanish.Depends on where she is from. Most people that live near the boarders of the other countries do understand Spanish. My ex spoke Spanish fluently with me before I learned Porto.
The Critic
05-22-21, 05:41
Found this girl at https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/, back and forth on whatsup, and set up a time for her to come to my hotel. She did not show up the first time, and when she finally showed up the second day, she is not the girl of the photo, and it says 19 years old, but looks more like 35 years old. I gave her uber money and let her go. Really bad experience. https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/ is not good.
BTW, anybody knows the current situation about Scandolla? Still R150 entrance charge fully consumable before 7:00 PM every day (or some days, what are those days)? How much is after 7:00 pm? Thursday night used to be the best night. How is now? How is Friday, and Saturday? Is it worthy to go there on a Saturday night? Thanks.Your link to a specific person is incomplete. Your link https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/ opens a general page of many not the one you infer you had a problem with. Can you be more specific with the link or specific name so others will not fall victim to this provider?
SinfullyKorean
05-22-21, 06:31
Your link to a specific person is incomplete. Your link https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/ opens a general page of many not the one you infer you had a problem with. Can you be more specific with the link or specific name so others will not fall victim to this provider?Yea, this would help tremendously. Did you (DanielMatt) try to video chat with her before meeting? Did the girl have any videos posted in her ad?
From what I've read here, seems like over 90% of ads on photoacompanhantes are bait and switch. For for the remaining 10%, 9% of them are flaky.
From what I've read here, seems like over 90% of ads on photoacompanhantes are bait and switch. For for the remaining 10%, 9% of them are flaky.I think you meant 90% of the 10%. Anyway PA is a fool's errand, and totally unnecessary, in Brazil.
I recently had a stopover in SP on my way to an undisclosed location. I had limited time and decided to spend it at Enjoy Spa based on my last memorable experience there. Only 4 ladies were available in mid afternoon, all doable. I didn't have intel to go on, so asked mamasan to recommend. Her choice was Karina, a skinny lady with piercing sexy eyes and ethnic Italian look.
Turned out to be one of those experiences every man should have at least once in a lifetime. Insane sex drive and top shelf GFE. Made the increasingly rare distinction of making me pop twice in an hour without any artificial additives. The lady was born for this and totally restores a man's faith in the medicinal benefits of mongering. Check her out, and if she doesn't make it to your top 10 (or 5) of all time, something is wrong with you.
Incrociatore
05-23-21, 02:55
I recently had a stopover in SP on my way to an undisclosed location. I had limited time and decided to spend it at Enjoy Spa based on my last memorable experience there. Only 4 ladies were available in mid afternoon, all doable. I didn't have intel to go on, so asked mamasan to recommend. Her choice was Karina, a skinny lady with piercing sexy eyes and ethnic Italian look.
Turned out to be one of those experiences every man should have at least once in a lifetime. Insane sex drive and top shelf GFE. Made the increasingly rare distinction of making me pop twice in an hour without any artificial additives. The lady was born for this and totally restores a man's faith in the medicinal benefits of mongering. Check her out, and if she doesn't make it to your top 10 (or 5) of all time, something is wrong with you.Can I know the price?
Polyamorist
05-23-21, 04:04
Prostitution is legal in Brazil but pimps are not.Yes, it's the same in many countries. I think since the dawn of history in every society pimps have been rightly despised as parasites and prohibited. But still, they keep creeping up on us.
Whenever there is a girl earning a lot of money in a poor society and she is not too experienced in life, there are going to be guys trying to take that money, sometimes organized groups of guys. Generally they stay in the background as much as possible -- no monger wants to go with a girl who is pimped, so she is sworn to keep it a secret with dire threats from the controlling party. However, once the pimps get too much control over the industry they get a lot more brazen. They come out in the open, start to fuck alongside the customers. By this stage the real customers are treated like beta males by the girls. That is what many of us have been seeing in the European FKK scene with the Romanians and Albanians and so on. That is why we always need to be alert against the incursions of pimps. We know what the endgame is.
There are a lot of red flags to watch out for. If a girl comes to your place and the first thing she does is take out her cellphone and start reporting to a third party, be suspicious. If a girl seems enthused on Whatsapp but nervous in person, be suspicious. If a girl always uses the same driver or tries to avoid you seeing her driver, be suspicious. If she sends scammy plea messages in English be super-suspicious. There are measures you can take to avoid these things or screen out those girls entirely. Believe me, you don't want that kind of girl. When you talk to that girl you don't know who you're really talking to at all.
Apart from that, you don't want to fund that kind of whre-slavery -- possibly the original prototype for wage-slavery within the broader society. Every girl must be free. No controlling middlemen, nobody creating artificial barriers between service provider and consumer.
But don't get me wrong. I am not saying every boate or clinica manager is a pimp. There are many who are great guys and really have the customer's interests at hearts. It is only when a manager tells a girl to start deceiving the customers, it is at that exact moment that he stops being a manager and starts being a pimp. If a girl likes the customers and wants to do good, imagine how uncomfortable she must feel at that moment -- under the threat of being fired or excluded from the industry. We must not fund those kinds of enterprises.
Vagabundo1
05-23-21, 14:15
See the book, shantaram, for a good discussion.
Yes, it's the same in many countries. I think since the dawn of history in every society pimps have been rightly despised as parasites and prohibited. But still, they keep creeping up on us.
Whenever there is a girl earning a lot of money in a poor society and she is not too experienced in life, there are going to be guys trying to take that money, sometimes organized groups of guys. Generally they stay in the background as much as possible -- no monger wants to go with a girl who is pimped, so she is sworn to keep it a secret with dire threats from the controlling party. However, once the pimps get too much control over the industry they get a lot more brazen. They come out in the open, start to fuck alongside the customers. By this stage the real customers are treated like beta males by the girls. That is what many of us have been seeing in the European FKK scene with the Romanians and Albanians and so on. That is why we always need to be alert against the incursions of pimps. We know what the endgame is.
There are a lot of red flags to watch out for. If a girl comes to your place and the first thing she does is take out her cellphone and start reporting to a third party, be suspicious. If a girl seems enthused on Whatsapp but nervous in person, be suspicious. If a girl always uses the same driver or tries to avoid you seeing her driver, be suspicious. If she sends scammy plea messages in English be super-suspicious. There are measures you can take to avoid these things or screen out those girls entirely. Believe me, you don't want that kind of girl. When you talk to that girl you don't know who you're really talking to at all.
Apart from that, you don't want to fund that kind of whre-slavery -- possibly the original prototype for wage-slavery within the broader society. Every girl must be free. No controlling middlemen, nobody creating artificial barriers between service provider and consumer..
DiverOyster
05-23-21, 20:48
Can I know the price?At Enjoy, price is R250 per hour. The reception are is very nicely appointed with a fish tank. They are open 11:00 to 22:00 M-F. Sat 11:00 to 19:00. Their rooms are below average for a clinica in Moema.
DiverOyster
05-23-21, 21:20
Seems Scandallo has been open for almost 3 weeks.
How is the situation there now?
How is the talent level ATM?
Is the curfew affecting the club? Does it have to close early?
I am heading to SP over Memorial Day weekend with the boys and plan to go there on Saturday 5/29.Scandallo is good with lots of girls. R200 before 7 PM with R150 consumption. After 7 PM, R300 with R150 consumption. However, the service levels of the girls vary widely so buyer beware. A lot of the girls now demand to get the payment first as soon as you enter the room, which could be a red flag for bad service to come. For example, she may DFK for five minutes and then quit kissing, or she will fuck for about 15 minutes and then rush you to hurry up because time is over while there is still about 30 minutes left on the hour. Every girl is a free lancer. There is no quality control from the management. This situation is similar to that of FKK Sharks in Germany. Each girl is her own, with no management to enforce service level.
At the average hourly rate of R1000 per session (R500 for the garota, R250 for the room or takeout fee, R250 drinks during interviews) Scandallo is not exactly a dirt cheap place to go through a series of bad apples before you find a true passionate GFE provider. I did burn a pile of cash at this place with bad experiences. The bad apples are also promising and passionate during the pre-room interviews so it maybe difficult to weed them out until you actually get into the room. Lots of Scandallo girls are seasoned hard-core prostitutes so they know how to hook in a clients during pre-room interviews. Therefore, at Scandallo, you may step into a landmine trap that will blow up on your face at any moment. You will have to chuckle and swallow your disappointment and write off your roughly R1,000 as a bad investment loss. You have just made a bad judgment. You just have to move on to the next target and hopefully find a passionate Gfe provider.
It's a shame because the Scandallo girls make a very lucrative income comparing to the average Sao Paulo worker. To put things into perspectives, an average white-collar college-educated professional earns around R4,000-R5,000 per month in Sao Paulo, from what I know. A Scandallo girl can sleep with you for one night and earn around R1,500 to R2,000, tax free, so she should try her best to provide the GFE service at such price level.
However, I did find one wonderful GFE girl with whom I spend the night for R1,500. After that one night, we have been exchanging loving messages on WhatsApp everyday and she has agreed to come to Sao Paulo to stay 4 entire days at my apartment for R4,000. Of course, I have to work during the day so I can only spend time with her after 6PM or so. While I am at work, she is free to roam. I am waiting to see how this 4-day experiment will turn out. If it turns out wonderful, this girl is a keeper for sure.
Polyamorist
05-23-21, 23:23
Scandallo is good with lots of girls. R200 before 7 PM with R150 consumption. After 7 PM, R300 with R150 consumption. However, the service levels of the girls vary widely so buyer beware. A lot of the girls now demand to get the payment first as soon as you enter the room, which could be a red flag for bad service to come.Salaam Mr Oyster.
I talked about the Three Frescuras earlier. "Payment in advance" is a new one, a fourth frescura. I only encountered it this year. I got the impression that certain managers in certain clubs started to condone this bad behavior on the part of girls against gringos. A lot of guys coming from the US are fooled because they think this is normal behavior. It is definitely not normal behavior in Brazil.
On the one occasion this happened to me -- the girl asking for payment on entering the room -- I asked if she meant she wanted to cancel. She said yes. So I simply went back to reception, called for the manager, and got his apologies. I didn't have to pay for the girl or the room.
There is no quality control from the management. This situation is similar to that of FKK Sharks in Germany. Each girl is her own, with no management to enforce service level.It's not quite as bad as that. You should get to know the names of managers and threaten to complain if a girl starts acting crazy. No matter how sharky a girl acts, she doesn't really want to be the object of a scene and get a bad reputation in the club. Try to remember that she has a lot more to lose than you do, especially if you are only a couple of weeks in town.
I want to say in fairness that I have met some amazing top-quality girls in Scandallo. I just wish the management would understand the importance of maintaining the reputation of the club. Sometimes even the clerks will try little scams. Every time they win R10 in change, they miss R1000 in lost business.
Steve 9696
05-24-21, 00:00
Scandallo is good with lots of girls. R200 before 7 PM with R150 consumption. After 7 PM, R300 with R150 consumption. However, the service levels of the girls vary widely so buyer beware. A lot of the girls now demand to get the payment first as soon as you enter the room, which could be a red flag for bad service to come. For example, she may DFK for five minutes and then quit kissing, or she will fuck for about 15 minutes and then rush you to hurry up because time is over while there is still about 30 minutes left on the hour. Every girl is a free lancer. There is no quality control from the management. This situation is similar to that of FKK Sharks in Germany. Each girl is her own, with no management to enforce service level.
At the average hourly rate of R1000 per session (R500 for the garota, R250 for the room or takeout fee, R250 drinks during interviews) Scandallo is not exactly a dirt cheap place to go through a series of bad apples before you find a true passionate GFE provider. I did burn a pile of cash at this place with bad experiences. The bad apples are also promising and passionate during the pre-room interviews so it maybe difficult to weed them out until you actually get into the room. Lots of Scandallo girls are seasoned hard-core prostitutes so they know how to hook in a clients during pre-room interviews. Therefore, at Scandallo, you may step into a landmine trap that will blow up on your face at any moment. You will have to chuckle and swallow your disappointment and write off your roughly R1,000 as a bad investment loss. You have just made a bad judgment. You just have to move on to the next target and hopefully find a passionate Gfe provider.
It's a shame because the Scandallo girls make a very lucrative income comparing to the average Sao Paulo worker. To put things into perspectives, an average white-collar college-educated professional earns around R4,000-R5,000 per month in Sao Paulo, from what I know. A Scandallo girl can sleep with you for one night and earn around R1,500 to R2,000, tax free, so she should try her best to provide the GFE service at such price level.
However, I did find one wonderful GFE girl with whom I spend the night for R1,500. After that one night, we have been exchanging loving messages on WhatsApp everyday and she has agreed to come to Sao Paulo to stay 4 entire days at my apartment for R4,000. Of course, I have to work during the day so I can only spend time with her after 6PM or so. While I am at work, she is free to roam. I am waiting to see how this 4-day experiment will turn out. If it turns out wonderful, this girl is a keeper for sure.Wow. I am a bit surprised by the negative review. Never heard anything but good things about Scandallo. I guess I've only taken 4 girls but the service was always top notch and unrushed. From an 8 on service to a full on 10. This was pre Covid tho. Maybe you have been enough that the stats have conspired against you. Still my fave spot on earth and can't wait to get back.
DiverOyster
05-24-21, 01:02
Wow. I am a bit surprised by the negative review. Never heard anything but good things about Scandallo. I guess I've only taken 4 girls but the service was always top notch and unrushed. From an 8 on service to a full on 10. This was pre Covid tho. Maybe you have been enough that the stats have conspired against you. Still my fave spot on earth and can't wait to get back.Wow, you have a perfect set of Scandallo experiences. I am so happy for you Steve. Maybe you possess certain skills to weed out the bad apples at interviews.
Pre-covid, I spent most my time playing at FKK Globe in Zurich in which around 80% of the girls provided passionate GFE to my satisfaction. With this mindset and expectations, I got frustrated with the Scandallo girls, just as I got frustrated with the FKK Sharks girls. I don't mind parting with my $, as long as I am guaranteed to receive passionate GFE service to make me happy.
To my complete surprise, I find a higher percentage of GFE at the clinicas than at Scandallo. Clinica girls earn only around R120-R150 per hour - a stark contrast to Scandallo girls who earn at least R500 per hour. As a true believer in the capitalist system, I shake my head at this pussy market. This market is not efficient, to say the least. Or to put it more bluntly, this market is irrational. I was taught to believe that in a capitalist market, the best performer will be rewarded with the highest money amount.
I still go to Scandallo to enjoy being in its luxurious ambience. However, I am much more careful about going to room now. I used to go to room with any girls I found optically pleasing and who answered yes to all my interview questions. After I got burned a number of times, now I know that many girls don't keep their promises made during the interviews.
Steve 9696
05-24-21, 01:15
Wow, you have a perfect set of Scandallo experiences. I am so happy for you Steve. Maybe you possess certain skills to weed out the bad apples at interviews.
Pre-covid, I spent most my time playing at FKK Globe in Zurich in which around 80% of the girls provided passionate GFE to my satisfaction. With this mindset and expectations, I got frustrated with the Scandallo girls, just as I got frustrated with the FKK Sharks girls. I don't mind parting with my $, as long as I am guaranteed to receive passionate GFE service to make me happy.
.Aha. That explains a bit. I always say there is only one place in the world with guaranteed optics and service. And that's Globe. It has its downsides too. But it is the only place I know where you are 100% certain of the experience. So you are fortunate and maybe a bit spoiled. LOL.
Yeah my hit percentage worldwide tends to be quite good. Maybe 5-7 poor experiences out of 100 girls. Feel pretty good about that. Think my Portuguese helps in Scandallo.
Aha. That explains a bit. I always say there is only one place in the world with guaranteed optics and service. And that's Globe. It has its downsides too. But it is the only place I know where you are 100% certain of the experience. So you are fortunate and maybe a bit spoiled. LOL.
Yeah my hit percentage worldwide tends to be quite good. Maybe 5-7 poor experiences out of 100 girls. Feel pretty good about that. Think my Portuguese helps in Scandallo.My worldwide hit percentage is excellent as well. I do not speak good Portuguese, so that certainly is not required in Scandallo to enjoy awesome success. Fucked so many hot girls there, with a high anal percentage too!
DiverOyster
05-24-21, 01:24
Salaam Mr Oyster.
I talked about the Three Frescuras earlier. "Payment in advance" is a new one, a fourth frescura. I only encountered it this year. I got the impression that certain managers in certain clubs started to condone this bad behavior on the part of girls against gringos. A lot of guys coming from the US are fooled because they think this is normal behavior. It is definitely not normal behavior in Brazil.
On the one occasion this happened to me -- the girl asking for payment on entering the room -- I asked if she meant she wanted to cancel. She said yes. So I simply went back to reception, called for the manager, and got his apologies. I didn't have to pay for the girl or the room.
It's not quite as bad as that. You should get to know the names of managers and threaten to complain if a girl starts acting crazy. No matter how sharky a girl acts, she doesn't really want to be the object of a scene and get a bad reputation in the club. Try to remember that she has a lot more to lose than you do, especially if you are only a couple of weeks in town.
I want to say in fairness that I have met some amazing top-quality girls in Scandallo. I just wish the management would understand the importance of maintaining the reputation of the club. Sometimes even the clerks will try little scams. Every time they win R10 in change, they miss R1000 in lost business.I did meet some amazing top-quality girls at Scandallo also. However, I had to wade through a bunch of bad ones to find the gems. They all promise GFE services until we got into the room, then a high number of them reveal themselves as some low-class street hookers.
Wow, you have a perfect set of Scandallo experiences. I am so happy for you Steve. Maybe you possess certain skills to weed out the bad apples at interviews.
Pre-covid, I spent most my time playing at FKK Globe in Zurich in which around 80% of the girls provided passionate GFE to my satisfaction. With this mindset and expectations, I got frustrated with the Scandallo girls, just as I got frustrated with the FKK Sharks girls. I don't mind parting with my $, as long as I am guaranteed to receive passionate GFE service to make me happy.
To my complete surprise, I find a higher percentage of GFE at the clinicas than at Scandallo. Clinica girls earn only around R120-R150 per hour - a stark contrast to Scandallo girls who earn at least R500 per hour. As a true believer in the capitalist system, I shake my head at this pussy market. This market is not efficient, to say the least. Or to put it more bluntly, this market is irrational. I was taught to believe that in a capitalist market, the best performer will be rewarded with the highest money amount.
I still go to Scandallo to enjoy being in its luxurious ambience. However, I am much more careful about going to room now. I used to go to room with any girls I found optically pleasing and who answered yes to all my interview questions. After I got burned a number of times, now I know that many girls don't keep their promises made during the interviews.I think you're being a bit too tough on Scandallo. While it's certainly possible to have duds (like any place in the world) almost all of my experiences in Scandallo have been excellent and most guys I talk to say the same. I do agree with you on the clinicas, they produce a surprisingly high percentage of GFE, which you might not think based on the set-up.
What I have heart is that Scandallo currently closes at 10 pm with the disco area closed, due to construction work. Other boates seem to be open all night. Can anyone confirm?
I think you're being a bit too tough on Scandallo. While it's certainly possible to have duds (like any place in the world) almost all of my experiences in Scandallo have been excellent and most guys I talk to say the same. I do agree with you on the clinicas, they produce a surprisingly high percentage of GFE, which you might not think based on the set-up.I have had such good experiences in the clinicas that I have never been inclined to go to Scandallo. However, I do intend to go there one day as the good reviews are overwhelming. Regarding the clinicas I have had tremendously good GFE and service generally there, the exceptions I have had have always been with some very young girls (all legal of course) who I have encountered only at Abbobora and Enjoy and the problem with them has been mostly lack of experience. I would not put that down as a bad experience though as the girls have been willing.
Wow, you have a perfect set of Scandallo experiences. I am so happy for you Steve. Maybe you possess certain skills to weed out the bad apples at interviews.I do not know Steve personally, but have corresponded with him and follow his excellent posts on the Seeking Arrangements thread. I believe if there is one guy who truly succeeds at filtering out the bad experiences, it would be Steve.
Incrociatore
05-24-21, 21:22
At Enjoy, price is R250 per hour. The reception are is very nicely appointed with a fish tank. They are open 11:00 to 22:00 M-F. Sat 11:00 to 19:00. Their rooms are below average for a clinica in Moema.Thank you, I will test and report.
Incrociatore
05-24-21, 21:33
I would like to know the opening hours at Scandallo. Because I went there pretty late, for the first time, the other night, it was 00:45, and the place was closed. A girl told me the best day is definitely Thursday, and the reason is that a lot of married men can't go there on Friday or Saturday, so there are more men, and consequentially more girls. But which is the best time to be there? I didn't ask that.
Incrociatore
05-24-21, 22:07
I want to warn everybody about PhotoAcompanhantes. I sent back already three girls from PhotoAcompanhantes. I'm meticulous during my interviews, and I'm very clear with what I want, but this doesn't stop these scammers to send you a different girl, because the girl in the pictures doesn't even exist.
In one case I paid for the taxi, in two cases I didn't pay at all. Of the two girls I didn't pay at all, the first girl complained, but then she walked away without a cent. The second one, instead, was problematic. She called the pimp, and she threatened me. I wasn't scared because the pimp couldn't possibly pass the security. I live in a building guarded 24 hours, by armed guards. No one gets in if I do not authorize. But the girl didn't want to leave. I opened the door and she didn't leave. So I told her I was going to call the security, but the ***** closed the door and placed herself in front of the door, near the intercom, so I couldn't call. Before she left, she took a taser from the bag, and she "fired" a couple of times to show me the taser was real, but when she saw I wasn't scared, she finally left. I was about to take one of the big couch pillows, to stamp her against the door, but she finally left, telling me she would have returned with the pimp. I immediately called the security, which reassured me they were going to kick out the girl and take care of the pimp.
Don't use that website, it's trash. 90% of the time you speak with a pimp.
If a girl is asking for the money in advance, don't pay and just walk away: it's a scam. If there are men in the flat, I do not enter at all. And generally I do prefer to stay in my flat, because there is the security at the entrance. Even if it costs me more money. And always book for a flat with security, it's very important.
I have had such good experiences in the clinicas that I have never been inclined to go to Scandallo. However, I do intend to go there one day as the good reviews are overwhelming. Don't go there looking for superior GFE, you will more than likely be disappointed. Clinicas are tough to beat in that regard. People who like the club setup do so for reasons that go beyond the in-room experience.
I personally found it to be grossly underwhelming and a very poor value proposition relative to other options. Even compared to similar setups in other countries, the experience was still a let down for me.
Don't go there looking for superior GFE, you will more than likely be disappointed. Clinicas are tough to beat in that regard. People who like the club setup do so for reasons that go beyond the in-room experience.
I personally found it to be grossly underwhelming and a very poor value proposition relative to other options. Even compared to similar setups in other countries, the experience was still a let down for me.I enjoy everything about Scandallo, including the in-room experiences. Sorry its been underwhelming for you. That has not been my experience. Although, I rarely seek a "superior GFE". I'm more about the PSE, and hot Brazilian girls know how to deliver on that.
What I have heart is that Scandallo currently closes at 10 pm with the disco area closed, due to construction work. Other boates seem to be open all night. Can anyone confirm?The new Bomboa is pretty nice. It's smaller than the original, same girls for the most part. Live music performed every night. The staff is friendly AF, I sit at the same table every time I go. The waiter brings my bucket of Heineken and bolinhos de bacalhau. I don't even have to order.
Address:
Bomboa 222,
Rua Andr Gonalves, 40.
Itaim Bibi,
Sao Paulo, SP.
A good spot to pick up non-pros is Blue Pub.
Address:
Alameda Ribero Preto, 384.
Bela Vista,
So Paulo, SP.
*Your Portuguese needs to be on point to operate here. If you're stopping in give me a call. I'll be your wingman, I live in the apartment building across the street. Never had a problem taking a cutie back to my spot. Always have some vodka on ice in the freezer!
Cheers!
I know many forum members mentioned reduced hours of operation but for some reason I took the Google's word and went to the club on Saturday around 7 pm expecting club would be open until 6 am. Big mistake! Pandemic restrictions are still in effect, so they close at 9 pm. I thought 2 hours is more than enough to find a girl from countless available inside.
Inside was a total disappointment! All they had open was the restaurant, small smoking area next to it and the small bar. All the girls and guys were packed in the small smoking area with no room to move around. There were may be 30 girls and as many men. Not a good girl / men ratio. Most of the girls were on older side and looked liked hardcore seasoned pros. I didn't see any young fresh faces that I remember from my previous visits. It was hard to scope out and find the one you like when you are in such a small space packed like sardines. I understand we are in the middle of pandemic but what I saw was bad. I thought the club is just taking advantage of their reputation. May be it was a low business day, maybe earlier that day was better or other days are better. I will visit another time later this week and see I if the club is any better.
I spoke to 4 girls and all of them 30 and above. It felt like I was in a shark infested water with the danger of getting chewed up if I dare commit to room.
I never felt the need to speak Portuguese to get by until today. The setup was such I struggled to communicate in English as most girls didn't speak English. I better learn Portuguese!
I just had couple of drinks and left.
I hope the club gets it's old self soon. If anyone planning to visit based on pre-pandemic reports should adjust their expectations considerably. My original plan was to visit the club as many times as possible during this trip but based on what I hace seen I will try one more time to see if there is improvement.
I am in Rio now. I planned 2 night but I have already extended by 2 more nights based on my experience at Solarium Monday. I will post report in Rio thread.
The new Bomboa is pretty nice. It's smaller than the original, same girls for the most part.How many Bamboas are there? Some mentioned Bamboa 40 in the forum. Is it same club or different? If different, which is better?
What I have heart is that Scandallo currently closes at 10 pm with the disco area closed, due to construction work. Other boates seem to be open all night. Can anyone confirm?Scandalo closes at 9 pm at this moment.
Member #4698
05-25-21, 13:12
I went to the club on Saturday around 7 pm expecting club would be open until 6 am. Big mistake! Pandemic restrictions are still in effect, so they close at 9 pm. I thought 2 hours is more than enough to find a girl from countless available inside.
Inside was a total disappointment! All they had open was the restaurant, small smoking area next to it and the small bar. All the girls and guys were packed in the small smoking area with no room to move around. There were may be 30 girls and as many men. Not a good girl / men ratio. Most of the girls were on older side and looked liked hardcore seasoned pros. I didn't see any young fresh faces that I remember from my previous visits. <snip>
I just had couple of drinks and left.
I hope the club gets it's old self soon. If anyone planning to visit based on pre-pandemic reports should adjust their expectations considerably. My original plan was to visit the club as many times as possible during this trip but based on what I hace seen I will try one more time to see if there is improvement.
I am in Rio now. I planned 2 night but I have already extended by 2 more nights based on my experience at Solarium Monday. I will post report in Rio thread.Thanks for the update. We all hope Scandallo "gets its old self back soon." When I visited SP in April all the Boates were closed, but the Clinicas, thank Buddha, were open and I had a great time. As a result of the situation, however, I cut back my intended SP visit and returned to RJ where everything was open. I really liked Solarium. It is small, but friendly and intimate. I liked a number of the girls most of all. My only criticism was that the rooms are too small, specifically the beds are too small to move from freely from cowgirl to mish (or vice a versa) without exiting the girl's vagina, but otherwise I enjoyed my visits big time.
How many Bamboas are there? Some mentioned Bamboa 40 in the forum. Is it same club or different? If different, which is better?Same club only relocated since the pandemic. The previous one was Bomboa 222 near the Oscar Freire train stop.
Steve 9696
05-25-21, 16:09
How many Bamboas are there? Some mentioned Bamboa 40 in the forum. Is it same club or different? If different, which is better?AFAIK there is only one. Used to be at street number 222 which they incorporated in their name. Now moved to street number 40. Same club but moved location during pandemic.
Ps it’s Bomboa (Portuguese for goodgood - bom is masculine form and boa is feminine form of the word)
SinfullyKorean
05-25-21, 21:10
I know many forum members mentioned reduced hours of operation but for some reason I took the Google's word and went to the club on Saturday around 7 pm expecting club would be open until 6 am. Big mistake! Pandemic restrictions are still in effect, so they close at 9 pm. I thought 2 hours is more than enough to find a girl from countless available inside.
Inside was a total disappointment! All they had open was the restaurant, small smoking area next to it and the small bar. All the girls and guys were packed in the small smoking area with no room to move around. There were may be 30 girls and as many men. Not a good girl / men ratio. Most of the girls were on older side and looked liked hardcore seasoned pros. I didn't see any young fresh faces that I remember from my previous visits. It was hard to scope out and find the one you like when you are in such a small space packed like sardines. I understand we are in the middle of pandemic but what I saw was bad. I thought the club is just taking advantage of their reputation. May be it was a low business day, maybe earlier that day was better or other days are better. I will visit another time later this week and see I if the club is any better.
I spoke to 4 girls and all of them 30 and above. It felt like I was in a shark infested water with the danger of getting chewed up if I dare commit to room.
I never felt the need to speak Portuguese to get by until today. The setup was such I struggled to communicate in English as most girls didn't speak English. I better learn Portuguese!
I just had couple of drinks and left.
I hope the club gets it's old self soon. If anyone planning to visit based on pre-pandemic reports should adjust their expectations considerably. My original plan was to visit the club as many times as possible during this trip but based on what I hace seen I will try one more time to see if there is improvement.
I am in Rio now. I planned 2 night but I have already extended by 2 more nights based on my experience at Solarium Monday. I will post report in Rio thread.Thanks for the report. I'll make sure to keep my expectations low. It doesn't seem like they'd lift those restrictions anytime soon, as covid numbers haven't been decreasing.
SamaRiding
05-25-21, 23:44
I think Scandallo got caught with their panties down. Brazilian forum reporting the same now.
I WhatsApp them just now and got this reply. Bummer since I'm going to be in SP next week.
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We inform that due to the changes in the São Paulo plan announced by the state government.
Scandallo lounge will follow legal requirements.
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From SEG TO SAB.
FROM HALF DAY.
UNTIL 21:00.
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Incrociatore
05-26-21, 05:53
Scandalo closes at 9 pm at this moment.Thank you, very helpful. After I read your report, I decided not to go. I will leave in a couple of weeks, and I don't think I will visit the club, at least not this time. You saved me 300 reis, that I will use for a girl.
I think Scandallo got caught with their panties down. Brazilian forum reporting the same now.
I WhatsApp them just now and got this reply. Bummer since I'm going to be in SP next week.Probably they got problems because of this video filmed secretly by journalists earlier this year:
https://youtu.be/p7jAwo7_R9c
It seems other casas like Bomboa and connection are operating normal.
SamaRiding
05-26-21, 11:50
I also Zapped Bomboa and Connection for their hours. Connection has normal hours until 4 am or 5 am. Bombao was a little vague saying starting at 2 pm but didn't say closing times, which makes me think it's late.
SinfullyKorean
05-27-21, 03:46
I also Zapped Bomboa and Connection for their hours. Connection has normal hours until 4 am or 5 am. Bombao was a little vague saying starting at 2 pm but didn't say closing times, which makes me think it's late.When you guys talk about Zapp, is this the app you're talking about (attached)?
There are two types of trans. A pre-op trans would still have a dick between her legs, despite having breasts. A post-op trans would have a pussy between her legs. You can also find a bunch of trans hookers in Kohn, Germany (on the high floor of a building full of hookers. I forgot the name of the building though). It's a place to go to browse after FKK Samya is closed at 2 am or 3 am.It's called Pasha.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascha_(brothel).
SamaRiding
05-27-21, 08:15
When you guys talk about Zapp, is this the app you're talking about (attached)?Zap is Brazilian slang for WhatsApp. I think everybody in Brazil using WhatsApp to DM.
SocratesNY
05-27-21, 12:38
When you guys talk about Zapp, is this the app you're talking about (attached)?I believe they mean WhatsApp. Just used as a verb.
It's called Pasha.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascha_(brothel).The club has closed for good.
I think Scandallo got caught with their panties down. Brazilian forum reporting the same now.
I WhatsApp them just now and got this reply. Bummer since I'm going to be in SP next week.At least it's still open. I'm going to SP in the next couples weeks soon so thanks for posting the msg from them. So they are saying the club closes at 21:00, correct?
SocratesNY
05-30-21, 05:19
Was just there on Saturday night for first time and all I can say is WOW. If Saturday night under curfew is only Scandallo at 50% or less compared to the past or pre-covid. Then it must be insane in it's prime or pre pandemic.
My friennds and I stopped counting the girls we found hot and want. As there were way too many. And just found it easier to count girls that we would not take to the room. I would say the average girl is an 8 with tons of 8. 5 to 9. 5's. We saw at least 100 girls and the girl to guy ratio was 2 or 3 girl per guy. As Maverick or Mother Goose would say. It was a target rich environment!
We aren't newbie hobbyist either. Between us. We are frequent visitors to Asia, DR, CR, Colombia, FKKs, Tijuana, etc. For optics, we all agree Scandallo was #1 of all our experiences. With a strong dollar, it even rivaled the other places we been to for value.
We all got incredible service from our selections. Maybe we got lucky and picked the right hot girls, but any concerns for lackluster service at in inflated prices were short lived.
We also checked out Moema Prime and Bomboa and while prices are cheaper there, we scrapped plans to check out other boates or clinicas to focus the remaining hobbying time of our trip for more visits to Scandallo. Just a shame they are closed on Sunday, but it'll be a sightseeing day for us and we got other digits of other Scandallo girls for potential outcall at night. We might not need to bother with checking out the outcall website options due to the amount of digits of hot girls we got from our 1 night there.
They do close at 9 pm due to covid-19 curfew, but the girls and crowd just adjust and come earlier. We were there from 5 to 9 pm and it was hopping at 5 pm on Saturday. For the night owls or party hardy crowd, many girls move on to connections, their sister club, but we didn't go as we were still travel fatigued and satisfied after our first dip into SP garotas. We wound down our night with a quick trip to Bomboa as it was on the way back to our hotel. Cool place for locals and a nice place to chill. But it doesn't hold a candle to Scandallo.
I'll write a more detailed report later when I return to the states, but the previous reports of the demise of Scandallo is hugely exaggerated. Even with reduced club capacity, covid curfew, potentially less talent pool, it still beats our other experiences. I think our head would explode if we saw the club at its 100% potential in the good ole days.
SinfullyKorean
05-30-21, 05:51
Was just there on Saturday night for first time and all I can say is WOW. If Saturday night under curfew is only Scandallo at 50% or less compared to the past or pre-covid. Then it must be insane in it's prime or pre pandemic.
My friennds and I stopped counting the girls we found hot and want. As there were way too many. And just found it easier to count girls that we would not take to the room. I would say the average girl is an 8 with tons of 8. 5 to 9. 5's. We saw at least 100 girls and the girl to guy ratio was 2 or 3 girl per guy. As Maverick or Mother Goose would say. It was a target rich environment!
We aren't newbie hobbyist either. Between us. We are frequent visitors to Asia, DR, CR, Colombia, FKKs, Tijuana, etc. For optics, we all agree Scandallo was #1 of all our experiences. With a strong dollar, it even rivaled the other places we been to for value.
I'll write a more detailed report later when I return to the states, but the previous reports of the demise of Scandallo is hugely exaggerated. Even with reduced club capacity, covid curfew, potentially less talent pool, it still beats our other experiences. I think our head would explode if we saw the club at its 100% potential in the good ole days.Thanks, Socrates! I wasn't expecting much out of Scandallo due to various previous reports, but you've changed my mind. I'm definitely making it to Scandallo day 1. Thanks for your diligence in reporting on your first day. And I look forward to seeing the rest of your report.
DreamCarnarvon
05-30-21, 09:31
Are there any differences in modus operandi between a clinica and a prive? I have been to several clinicas in Moema area such as Abbobora, Miruna, Prime, Enjoy, Julia 57. These are the best value in SP, in comparison to the costs of playing in Scandallo.
I don't think I have been to a prive. Have anyone been to a prive and how does it differ from a clinica? Or the two terms are synonyms and can be used interchangeably?My take on the difference between Clinicas and Prives is their price point and thus the type of clients they target / attract. In the Clinicas, the standard session lengths are 30 minutes, 1 HR, 1.5 HR, 2 hrs, etc. The Prives offer a 20 minute session length. On top of that, prices at the Prives are cheaper than the Clinicas. A 20 minute session can be between 20 to 35 reais and 30 minute session can range between 40 to 80 reais. I've only been to a handful of Prives so its a really small sample size so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt and that is the girls I saw at the Prives are generally older and out of shape. I say in general because there will be times you will find young pretty thin girls there. For me, with so many Clinicas in Sao Paulo and mostly above average lineups in each of them, it makes it tough to go out the way to these Prives. The chances of finding doable girls are much higher in the Clinicas than in the Prives IMO.
DreamCarnarvon
05-30-21, 10:39
I did meet some amazing top-quality girls at Scandallo also. However, I had to wade through a bunch of bad ones to find the gems. They all promise GFE services until we got into the room, then a high number of them reveal themselves as some low-class street hookers.This is quite the opposite of the Clinicas. Your post suggest that your sample size at Scandallo is not small either. All the guys I've met in Sao Paulo who went to Scandallo all loved it. My experience at the Clinicas is that a high majority of the girls delivered on heir promises. The key is to interview the girls to make sure they will provide the services you want. The questions asked are important too. Make sure to be as specific as possible. So for example, instead of asking if she allows DFK or not, ask her instead if she likes kissing, "você gosta de beijo de lingua?" Also, if you like to eat pussy make sure to also ask that as well. I have been burned a couple of times where the girl did not want to be eaten. Its also not a bad idea to ask her if she allows one hour sessions. When you go up with a girl and do not specify a session length, the default in most clinicas will be 30 minutes. Close to the 30 minute mark, the reception will call the room phone and ask you if you want to extend the session or not. This rarely happens but on two occasions I was told by the girls they only do 30 minutes sessions (lucikily on both occasions, each girl did eventually allow me to extend the session). If you make an appointment with a girl at a later date and time make sure to tell the receptionist the session length you want. If still in doubt, I would just ask the brazilian guys sitting close to you. You can and should also ask him about which other girls he would recommand. Do not ask the managers. I find that most managers do not know their girls very well. Besides, what else are they going to tell you when you ask them if a certain girl is good or not. They will always tell you the same thing, "ela é muito bom, ela é muito gostosa". Last but not least, if you have the time, go around and check out the many other Clinicas outside of Moema (Prime, Miruna, Enjoy Spa, Abóbora) and Brooklin (Brooklin, Kin) area.
Was just there on Saturday night for first time and all I can say is WOW. If Saturday night under curfew is only Scandallo at 50% or less compared to the past or pre-covid. Then it must be insane in it's prime or pre pandemic.
My friennds and I stopped counting the girls we found hot and want. As there were way too many. And just found it easier to count girls that we would not take to the room. I would say the average girl is an 8 with tons of 8. 5 to 9. 5's. We saw at least 100 girls and the girl to guy ratio was 2 or 3 girl per guy. As Maverick or Mother Goose would say. It was a target rich environment!
We aren't newbie hobbyist either. Between us. We are frequent visitors to Asia, DR, CR, Colombia, FKKs, Tijuana, etc. For optics, we all agree Scandallo was #1 of all our experiences. With a strong dollar, it even rivaled the other places we been to for value..Glad to hear that you and your bros enjoyed Scandallo. So many hot tutes! You know what I say. It's the baddest "puta palace" on the planet! I thought it was closed on Sundays always. Anyway, looking forward to more details. I know it isn't necessarily for everybody, but kids how do you know you don't like it until you've tasted it? And as for Bomboa, the first time I went to Sampa, it had girls who were every bit as hot. I'm hoping it can return to its former glory. And don't forget Cafe Photo. I have found some real hotties in there too!
Thanks Socrates.
It seems reports of the demise of Scandallo are exaggerated. Given that Saturday's are slow and adding in pandemic restrictions, if you go on a "normal" night, your head might explode!
Saturday - 5/29:
Back in SP after 6 night stay in Rio.
Checked out clinica Prime in the afternoon and had session.
I have decided to not to visit Scandallo because of what I saw last Saturday and the heat they are under because of the negative media spotlight as reported by safardo007. I have decided to go to Connection hoping some of the scandallo talent would be working there until scandallo takes care of the mess they are in.
I have decided to checkout Bamboo on my way to connection. I got to the club around 8:30 and spent 2 hours. Entry is 200 R, all consumable. The club is lot smaller than the previous place and looks more like a restaurant than a club. There were 20+ girls few of they were decent but I didn't like any of them. There was one really pretty girl, looks like a much prettier version of Emma Roberts, who I would have taken to room except for some young fellow hogging her the whole time. To my surprise most of the men there were young (30 or less). What's up with these young guys? Are they not able to get normal girls outside? I guess all the older guys are staying home afraid of covid. LOL.
I got to connection around 11:30. I think the entry is about 50 R. Club is very big and it was packed with lots of girls (150+) and guys. There were few pretty girls in the club but they scattered all over so it was bit of a work to searching and finding them. Finally I did found and had a great time with a 22 yo gorgeous blonde gazelle Analicia (she needs to pick a different name if she doesn't do anal. LOL). The best thing I liked in this club that they have poker, which I can play in between scouting for girls. I will visit this club again when I am in SP.
Was just there on Saturday night for first time and all I can say is WOW. If Saturday night under curfew is only Scandallo at 50% or less compared to the past or pre-covid. Then it must be insane in it's prime or pre pandemic
.I am glad to hear the club was good during you visit and you liked it. Unfortunately, I didn't have such luck a week ago. Now you have some idea what hit me and other Scandallo fans during our first visit.
What areas of the club were open during your visit?
My take on the difference between Clinicas and Prives is their price point and thus the type of clients they target / attract. In the Clinicas, the standard session lengths are 30 minutes, 1 HR, 1.5 HR, 2 hrs, etc. The Prives offer a 20 minute session length. On top of that, prices at the Prives are cheaper than the Clinicas. A 20 minute session can be between 20 to 35 reais and 30 minute session can range between 40 to 80 reais. I've only been to a handful of Prives so its a really small sample size so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt and that is the girls I saw at the Prives are generally older and out of shape. I say in general because there will be times you will find young pretty thin girls there. For me, with so many Clinicas in Sao Paulo and mostly above average lineups in each of them, it makes it tough to go out the way to these Prives. The chances of finding doable girls are much higher in the Clinicas than in the Prives IMO.And this is precisely why I stay away from the prives. It isn't just about the price for me. It's about the quality too. The P's and the Q's! Usually when I see guys posting pics from their prive conquests, I'm totally not attracted. Nope, I'd rather jerk off LOL! Or better yet, stick with the clinicas by day, and the boates and termas by night.
DreamCarnarvon
05-30-21, 22:58
And this is precisely why I stay away from the prives. It isn't just about the price for me. It's about the quality too. The P's and the Q's! Usually when I see guys posting pics from their prive conquests, I'm totally not attracted. Nope, I'd rather jerk off LOL! Or better yet, stick with the clinicas by day, and the boates and termas by night.I was in SP for a couple of months on my last trip and was planning to spend more time visiting the Prives. But the Clinicas kept me busy enough that I never did properly check the Prives out. I usually head out to the Clinicas around noon time and hit between at least 2 to 5 places, depending on the lineups. By the end of the day when I get back home I'm pretty much exhausted and don't have much energy left to go out to the boates at night. Having said that, if SP had a more affordable option similar to 4 x4, I would've gone out more at night. I did do some research after I left Brazil and found a bunch of boates that are much more cheaper than Connection and Scandallo. Not sure about the girl qualities thou. Another thing is they are all located in Sao Bernardo do Campo. So getting to and from them is not easy unless one has a car. I do plan to check them out on my next trip.
I really liked Solarium. It is small, but friendly and intimate. I liked a number of the girls most of all. My only criticism was that the rooms are too small, specifically the beds are too small to move from freely from cowgirl to mish (or vice a versa) without exiting the girl's vagina, but otherwise I enjoyed my visits big time.It is the best club for the quality of the girls based 4 visits this week. I agree the rooms and beds are very small. I remember seeing higher priced room options in some termas but I don't remember if Solarium do the same. I am guessing the higher priced options come with much larger room and bed larger than standard one. I think termas deliberately keep the basic / standard room very small to push customers towards higher prices room options.
It is the best club for the quality of the girls based 4 visits this week. I agree the rooms and beds are very small. I remember seeing higher priced room options in some termas but I don't remember if Solarium do the same. I am guessing the higher priced options come with much larger room and bed larger than standard one. I think termas deliberately keep the basic / standard room very small to push customers towards higher prices room options.I love Solarium as it was my first termas. That said, the quality of girls in any termas varies from month to month. Sometimes Monte Carlo will have the best, sometimes Centaurus, 4 x4, etc.
DiverOyster
05-31-21, 02:58
T's been a slow last two weeks in Sao Paulo. Been cooped up working from home in hotel and only options have been in-calls from my roster and clinicas and prives during the day. Unfortunately, Abbobora has been closed. Had really great experiences and service at Prime consistently. Got a tip from a long time Carioca girlfriend that I should check this spot out in Jardim. It stays opens very late (5 am) and nice vibe. There were about 7 girls in waiting area all were attractive and doable. Nothing in my opinion below 7. I learned that a couple were former Casarao and Connection girls and because everything was shut down this was the best night working option. They said Saturday is probably the best day. Might be a bit more pricy than the normal clinicas and prives but the facilities are first rate and great environment.
Address: Alameda Joaquim Eugnio de Lima, 1674 - casa 1 - Jardim Paulista, So Paulo. SP, 01403-002.
Hours:
Thursday 11 AM5 AM.
Friday 11 AM5 AM.
Saturday 11 AM5 AM.
Sunday Closed.
Monday 11 AM10 PM.
Tuesday 11 AM11 PM.
Wednesday 11 AM12 AM.
Suggest an edit.
Cheers.Thanks so much for sharing this info. I checked out this house this past Saturday night around 11 PM. They only had 4 girls working. I picked a really slim and cute girl named Maya (spelling?) who was super sensual GFE. Her service is on par with that at FKK Globe. Of all the clinicas I have been to, this house is my favorite now. There is a classy feel to this house, from the facilities to the reception girl who speaks good English. The ensuite bathroom is huge and nice. I will keep coming back here. The girls here tend to be on the slimmer side as well. I was one happy dude.
The reception girl said on the weekdays they would have around 8-9 girls working.
After the session, I sat at the reception area and chat with 2 local guys who recommended that I should check out Floripo beaches because the girls there are gorgeous. Maybe I will do so.
I posted this in the RJ forum but posting for SP as well as I'm coming down in September with a friend who has never been to Brazil (only Colombia) We'll be staying 1 week in SP and 1 week in RJ. I heard it gets a bit cold in SP around that time compared to when I went in January. Any other things I should know about September so I can prepare? We'll be getting a villa / penthouse or something like that (any recommendations for some hidden gems? Some cool hotels as well maybe since covid really hit SP and I see the rates can be good since they want to fill those vacant suites! Greatly appreciated).
Hopefully by then the lockdowns will be over and the boates and clinicas will be operating back as usual (scandallo and abbobora got hit pretty hard so I hope the experience will be the same or better when I get back like it was when I came in January).
Safado69 did Abbobora close for good or just for the time being? That was my favorite clinica as the girls were always GFE and hot! I hope it's just temporary.
My first two days in SP back in January it was in the RED lockdown phase and missed out alot so SP is always on the edge compared to RJ.
Hope why'all are doing good and great to see the reports coming in!
SinfullyKorean
05-31-21, 06:56
My trip date is coming up soon and I've started planning based on some of the reports posted in Sao Paulo and Rio forums. Here's what I've planned so far:
SP
Scandallo.
Abobora.
Moema Prime.
Enjoy Spa.
Miruna.
Bomboa.
Connections club.
Julia 57.
Cafe Photo.
Rio
Solarium.
Dolce vita.
Mabs.
4 x4.
Monte carlo termal.
Centaurus.
Looks like a lot to keep me occupied for 2 weeks (mostly in SP). Are there any "must try" termas or clinicas I'm missing? Or any I listed that are not worth visiting?
UniversalX
05-31-21, 07:56
My trip date is coming up soon and I've started planning based on some of the reports posted in Sao Paulo and Rio forums. Here's what I've planned so far:
SP
Scandallo.
Abobora.
Moema Prime.
Enjoy Spa.
Miruna.
Bomboa.
Connections club.
Julia 57.
Cafe Photo.
Rio
Solarium.
Dolce vita.
Mabs.
4 x4.
Monte carlo termal.
Centaurus.
Looks like a lot to keep me occupied for 2 weeks (mostly in SP). Are there any "must try" termas or clinicas I'm missing? Or any I listed that are not worth visiting?Stop by Casarao, Rua Augusta 787 Consolacao.
My trip date is coming up soon and I've started planning based on some of the reports posted in Sao Paulo and Rio forums. Here's what I've planned so far:
SP
Scandallo.
Abobora.
Moema Prime.
Enjoy Spa.
Miruna.
Bomboa.
Connections club.Nice list. You might try ClinicacTangara in Sao Paulo and Termas 65 in Rio. You're going to be busy. Enjoy!
Looks like a lot to keep me occupied for 2 weeks (mostly in SP). Are there any "must try" termas or clinicas I'm missing? Or any I listed that are not worth visiting?I would add terma 65 (whiskeria 65) to your Rio list. It is couple of minutes walk from 4 x4. Both termas together provide bigger lineup and each time I visited one I checked out the other.
Monte Carlo and Centaurus were bad when I visited. MC was terrible. Maybe you will have better luck with them.
It was closed when I was in SP during April, not shut down. The city was under a certain advisory code due to pandemic and they were one of the only clinicas / prives observing the decree.
I posted this in the RJ forum but posting for SP as well as I'm coming down in September with a friend who has never been to Brazil (only Colombia) We'll be staying 1 week in SP and 1 week in RJ. I heard it gets a bit cold in SP around that time compared to when I went in January. Any other things I should know about September so I can prepare? We'll be getting a villa / penthouse or something like that (any recommendations for some hidden gems? Some cool hotels as well maybe since covid really hit SP and I see the rates can be good since they want to fill those vacant suites! Greatly appreciated).
Hopefully by then the lockdowns will be over and the boates and clinicas will be operating back as usual (scandallo and abbobora got hit pretty hard so I hope the experience will be the same or better when I get back like it was when I came in January).
Safado69 did Abbobora close for good or just for the time being? That was my favorite clinica as the girls were always GFE and hot! I hope it's just temporary.
My first two days in SP back in January it was in the RED lockdown phase and missed out alot so SP is always on the edge compared to RJ.
Hope why'all are doing good and great to see the reports coming in!
peter panochito
05-31-21, 22:25
Thanks so much for sharing this info. I checked out this house this past Saturday night around 11 PM. They only had 4 girls working. I picked a really slim and cute girl named Maya (spelling?) who was super sensual GFE. Her service is on par with that at FKK Globe. Of all the clinicas I have been to, this house is my favorite now. There is a classy feel to this house, from the facilities to the reception girl who speaks good English. The ensuite bathroom is huge and nice. I will keep coming back here. The girls here tend to be on the slimmer side as well. I was one happy dude.
The reception girl said on the weekdays they would have around 8-9 girls working.
After the session, I sat at the reception area and chat with 2 local guys who recommended that I should check out Floripo beaches because the girls there are gorgeous. Maybe I will do so.What is the pricing at this establishment?
DiverOyster
06-01-21, 02:25
What is the pricing at this establishment?R300/ HR. Like any other clinicas, it is a hit or miss. I went back tonight Monday night. There were 5 girls working. None of them got me excited so I left to go back to my apt to do some work.
I thought about going to Connection but it is just too far from Jardim area where I am staying. I have to get up early tomorrow morning for work. A cute chic whom I followed on IG messaged me so I made an appointment with her for tomorrow night. She's a buddy of a Scandallo chic with whom I did so many sessions. I will test this IG chic out with a 1-hour rendezvouz at my apt.
Like all other men, I constantly need new faces to keep me excited.
DreamCarnarvon
06-01-21, 02:41
Thanks so much for sharing this info. I checked out this house this past Saturday night around 11 PM. They only had 4 girls working. I picked a really slim and cute girl named Maya (spelling?) who was super sensual GFE. Her service is on par with that at FKK Globe. Of all the clinicas I have been to, this house is my favorite now. There is a classy feel to this house, from the facilities to the reception girl who speaks good English. The ensuite bathroom is huge and nice. I will keep coming back here. The girls here tend to be on the slimmer side as well. I was one happy dude.
The reception girl said on the weekdays they would have around 8-9 girls working.Thank you for your report. Ill definitely add this on my list of Clinicas. Might be a good late night option if they if indeed they do open that late. Can you confirm the price, 300 reais right?
DreamCarnarvon
06-01-21, 03:06
R300/ HR. Like any other clinicas, it is a hit or miss. I went back tonight Monday night. There were 5 girls working. None of them got me excited so I left to go back to my apt to do some work. Thanks for confirming the price. 300 reais is quite high for a clinica, even Abbobora is not that high. I know you said their facilities are nice. How are they compared to Prime's rooms? I hope they have real beds.
I tried google mapping the address Alemeda Joaquim Eugnio de Lima, 1674 but could find a building with that number. There is 1656 then the next building is 1682.
DiverOyster
06-01-21, 04:31
Thank you for your report. Ill definitely add this on my list of Clinicas. Might be a good late night option if they if indeed they do open that late. Can you confirm the price, 300 reais right?Confirmed R300/ HR.
DiverOyster
06-01-21, 04:33
It was closed when I was in SP during April, not shut down. The city was under a certain advisory code due to pandemic and they were one of the only clinicas / prives observing the decree.Abbobora is open M-Sat. They close on Sunday I believe. Miruna and Prime are open Sunday.
Don't go there looking for superior GFE, you will more than likely be disappointed. Clinicas are tough to beat in that regard. People who like the club setup do so for reasons that go beyond the in-room experience.
I personally found it to be grossly underwhelming and a very poor value proposition relative to other options. Even compared to similar setups in other countries, the experience was still a let down for me.The point is to test drive them in the room and then get their number. Always suggest that you will be a regular client of theirs and they will perform better first time.
I lost count how many GFE / pse I had there and later got their number to spend whole day or week with me. Some traveled with me to other countries for free which was a great value LOL.
Suzanna was more than willing, but geez that A-hole was tight! I could not penetrate into her anus properly. When that happens, I usually resort to my patented missionary anal technique, which almost always works. Don't know why I didn't with Suzanna. I settled with cumming all over her ass cheeks instead (as well as drilling that young, pretty branca buceta).
Steve 9696
06-03-21, 01:55
Suzanna was more than willing, but geez that A-hole was tight! I could not penetrate into her anus properly. When that happens, I usually resort to my patented missionary anal technique, which almost always works. Don't know why I didn't with Suzanna. I settled with cumming all over her ass cheeks instead (as well as drilling that young, pretty branca buceta).In Brazil they call that missionary anal position "roast chicken" for obvious reasons. They have a great way with words for sex positions. Missionary is called MMPP for "mama and papa" — as in boring traditional sex like the parents do. LOL. Luv that.
Suzanna was more than willing, but geez that A-hole was tight! I could not penetrate into her anus properly. When that happens, I usually resort to my patented missionary anal technique, which almost always works. Don't know why I didn't with Suzanna. I settled with cumming all over her ass cheeks instead (as well as drilling that young, pretty branca buceta).It is indeed a tight ass. Last Sunday before my flight back home, I went to Clinica Prime and fucked a beautiful tall girl in her tight ass. She let me have a full go at her ass with no push back. I started with doggie and transitioned to missionary before very satisfying finish.
I went to both Connection and Bomboa this week. They are open until around 3-4 am. Both places were packed with girls and customers. I think Connection got more than 100 girls, Bomboa around 30 maybe. Will check out Scandallo on Saturday, which seems to be the only day where it could make sense due to the 9 pm closure.
Vagabundo1
06-03-21, 22:13
I hit this in late 2019 with a Ceci girl.
She loved it, as she was pricing herself against the talent there.
Security is tight. They made me surrender a small flashlight in lululemon dress pant quality trousers, the aptly named, "ABC -- anti ball crushing -- pant, which is highly recommended travel gear, along with all the LULU gear.
Stop by Casarao, Rua Augusta 787 Consolacao.
DiverOyster
06-04-21, 00:37
Thanks for confirming the price. 300 reais is quite high for a clinica, even Abbobora is not that high. I know you said their facilities are nice. How are they compared to Prime's rooms? I hope they have real beds.
I tried google mapping the address Alemeda Joaquim Eugnio de Lima, 1674 but could find a building with that number. There is 1656 then the next building is 1682.There is a small alley in between. Go to Casa 1. Yes, they do have real beds, and their bathrooms are huge for SP standard.
DiverOyster
06-04-21, 00:38
I hit this in late 2019 with a Ceci girl.
She loved it, as she was pricing herself against the talent there.
Security is tight. They made me surrender a small flashlight in lululemon dress pant quality trousers, the aptly named, "ABC -- anti ball crushing -- pant, which is highly recommended travel gear, along with all the LULU gear.Casarao is currently closed. Check their website.
Azn Safado
06-04-21, 05:29
There is a small alley in between. Go to Casa 1. Yes, they do have real beds, and their bathrooms are huge for SP standard.This place is called Prive Savana's Club on Gpguia. I heard it's been around for like 30 years but hardly anyone knows about it.
SinfullyKorean
06-04-21, 07:48
I wanted to lay out my game plan for when I arrive:
Exchange a small amount USD at the airport and the rest in the city.
I'll probably need to visit the bank before my flight and exchange my money for crisp bills. I'm assuming Brazil's currency exchange is similar to Vietnam and Thailand where they won't accept worn bills? And currency exchange in the city is going to be better than exchange rates in the airport? Do they also give lower amounts if the bills are in smaller denominations like in Thailand?
After (or before, depending on where the phone kiosk is), I'll get a sim card for my GSM phone. Upon activation, I'll Uber to my hotel and drop off my luggage while I walk around a bit, probably to the mall and get something to eat.
Since check-in's at 2, I'll have some time to kill. I'm thinking of visiting either Prime or Carinas, although I suppose the talent will be hit or miss so early in the day. After resting up, I'll probably head over to Scandallo or Tangara.
SinfullyKorean
06-06-21, 02:29
I guess plans mean jack when shit hits the fan. I'll write out my experience in case another noob can benefit from it. Skip to the FR if airport and phone acquisition stories don't interest you.
Airport to Hotel
The airport is really nice and simple. You make your way out of customs check and out of the duty free shopping area. I don't remember seeing any cell phone selling services / kiosks. There was an exchange kiosk prior to exiting the customs checkpoint. , but it was closed. Right before exiting the airports are where I saw some currency exchange desks. I exchanged $40 US, but realized what a rip off the airport exchange rate is. I got back 150 REAL for 40 USD. That's a 25% loss ($10)! Glad I only exchanged $40. I actually shouldn't have exchanged any at all. But didn't know if I'd need it for some reason.
Finding a vendor to buy a sim card was also an adventure. Everyone kept telling me to go upstairs. Eventually ended up on the top floor, but they require a CPF number. There was a nice older lady that understood English and translated for me. She apologized and said it makes no sense that they don't give sim cards to tourists in an airport. I thanked her and left.
So, after walking around in the airport for a good 30-60 minutes, I'm ready to head to my hotel. I use the airport wifi to call an Uber. But the connection drops outside. I had to turn on roaming on my US phone to get service and get an Uber.
Hotel check-in was pretty smooth. Although she forgot to give me my wifi password. If you're booking in Bourbon hotel, the username and password are the hotel room and firstname+lastname (lowercase). They allowed me to check in early (12 pm) since the room was ready. Unpacked, showered, and went to the mall + grocery store.
Phone
Oh man. The phone's been a huge ordeal for me today. It's the reason I'm writing the report instead of being in Scandallo. I've been running back and forth trying to get a sim to work. First went to the Ibirapuera mall. Went all the way to the top to get a new sim card. Lots of miscommunication due to language barrier, even with google translator. Finally got my sim card. Phone and internet worked. But after a couple hours, the internet was not working again. I don't know what data plan they gave me, but I ran out of it FAST. Went back to the mall to Vivo (2nd floor). They told me to go to see&A to recharge my data. I went, and again took a good 30 minutes to recharge due to the language barrier. It worked again for an hour or so, but stopped again. I went back to the mall, went to the 3rd floor (where I got my phone). The manager there speaks English. He told me I need to dial the number on the back of the card I received plus the number on the scratch off. So back to my hotel. I called the number, but nothing happened. Again, back to the mall to figure out what's going on. The manager's gone now. A couple ladies help me out. They reset my data in their system and tell me it might take 24 hours.
So here I am, in my hotel. Writing this report instead of going to Scandallo =(. But I did get to visit Prime and had a good time.
Oh yea, the exchange rate at the mall was much better. Got the full 5:1 conversion.
Field Report
Went to a couple clinicas (Prime and Carinas), but only sessioned with Mia at Prime. She was DDG, easily a 9 for me. Not too big, but with some meat on her bones. Her face reminded me of Dascha Polanco from Orange is the new Black, but with a banging body. She had burgundy hair highlights and piercings in both her nipples. 240 real for 1 HR. Only went for 1 pop, I don't know if MSOG is available. Lots of kissing, decent BBBJ with LOTS of spit and very responsive to DATY. Covered MISH with DFK and K9 for the finish. Still had 30 minutes after the pounding. She gave me a very light massage. Normally don't like light massages, but it felt really good due to fatigue from the flight.
I went to Carninas after Prime just to check them out. When I got there, they only had 2 garotas available. Neither looked that great so I left. Hopefully, the pickings will be better tomorrow.
Food
Due to internet not working on my phone, decided to settle for the Hotel restaurant. I really wanted steak for my first meal. The restaurant's called Zillis. Steak was kind of bland. Don't know if that's because of my American taste buds.
Got to get my internet working tomorrow so I can Uber around!
TL; DR. Spent most of the day trying to get internet working with new sim card. Only got to try 1 clinica, but had a good session with Mia at Prime.
I guess plans mean jack when shit hits the fan. I'll write out my experience in case another noob can benefit from it. Skip to the FR if airport and phone acquisition stories don't interest you.
Airport to Hotel
The airport is really nice and simple. You make your way out of customs check and out of the duty free shopping area. I don't remember seeing any cell phone selling services / kiosks. There was an exchange kiosk prior to exiting the customs checkpoint. , but it was closed. Right before exiting the airports are where I saw some currency exchange desks. I exchanged $40 US, but realized what a rip off the airport exchange rate is. I got back 150 REAL for 40 USD. That's a 25% loss ($10)! Glad I only exchanged $40. I actually shouldn't have exchanged any at all. But didn't know if I'd need it for some reason.
Finding a vendor to buy a sim card was also an adventure. Everyone kept telling me to go upstairs. Eventually ended up on the top floor, but they require a CPF number. There was a nice older lady that understood English and translated for me. She apologized and said it makes no sense that they don't give sim cards to tourists in an airport. I thanked her and left.I was going to reply to your earlier message and tell you to try Vivo on the third floor at Ibirapuera, but I got locked out. I got a SIM card there last December and again this past Monday. Took about 45 min. I have no CPF but they arrange it. I think I paid $12 reais for the sim and an extra $100 reais or so and got set up with loads of data good for 6 months.
Instead of doing exchange try using a debit card. They are accepted almost everywhere. Or withdraw from the ATM. Some ATMs charge fees. Some do not. My best luck is with Bradesco ATMs.
For a decent steak try Barbaro in Vila Olimpia. It's not too far from Shopping Ibirapuera.
In Brazil they call that missionary anal position "roast chicken" for obvious reasons. They have a great way with words for sex positions. Missionary is called MMPP for "mama and papa" as in boring traditional sex like the parents do. LOL. Luv that.Yeah, and doggy is 'quatro' - just learned that the other day when a lady was showing me her tail.
I guess plans mean jack when shit hits the fan. I'll write out my experience in case another noob can benefit from it. Skip to the FR if airport and phone acquisition stories don't interest you.
Airport to Hotel
There was an exchange kiosk prior to exiting the customs checkpoint. , but it was closed. Right before exiting the airports are where I saw some currency exchange desks. I exchanged $40 US, but realized what a rip off the airport exchange rate is. I got back 150 REAL for 40 USD. That's a 25% loss ($10)! Glad I only exchanged $40. I actually shouldn't have exchanged any at all. But didn't know if I'd need it for some reason.
SK, Nice report. Such candid observations are always very valuable to mongers. And, yes, never change money at the airport. Your best bet are the bank ATMs at the airport if you need cash.
I don't understand why it seems to be so hard to get a SIM card in Brazil. I feel like multiple posters have had trouble in this area. Is there a definitive guide? After reading SK's report I'm still confused.
Got to get my internet working tomorrow so I can Uber around!
TL; DR. Spent most of the day trying to get internet working with new sim card. Only got to try 1 clinica, but had a good session with Mia at Prime.Nice detailed initial report. Good to see you on the ground and hoping to hear some honest intel on Scandallo and other boetes in coming days.
I really wanted to respond to your arrival plan post regarding money exchange and SIM card but decided against it because I thought you you knew what you were doing.
Money Exchange:
I have never exchanged currency in foreign country except in Canada (Canada has places that give very competitive exchange rate) because of poor exchange rate they give. I think 5:1 you got at the mall is a good rate but you got screwed at airport.
There are other more efficient and secure ways to get local currency if you don't mind leaving an electronic trail. You can PM me for details or search the forum to find out for yourself.
SIM card:
I used it only once in Europe which worked fine but it was a hassle to provide identification etc. To get it activated. I have used T-mobile in the past but I now use Google-Fi and it is fantastic.
Prime:
I usually go for 1 HR sessions but in clinicas I prefer 30 min because of language problem. 1 HR is too long when you can't speak same language.
Looking forward to reading your reports.
My return journey to SP went exceptionally well, and my faith in SP as a premium mongering destination is cemented.
Visited many of the clinicas from my last trip. Miruna, Brooklin, Enjoy, and surprisingly this time, everyone I sessioned with provided MSOG and honored the full hour. Another surprise was that 2 ladies directed Mr Jonhson to their backdoor without my asking. Only in Brazil.
I also tried some new clinicas. The two that stood out were Kin Center and Prime:
Kin Center; I found this spa to be the most welcoming of all the ones I have visited so far. Very friendly front desk with English speaker on hand to help if needed. Selection was decent, someone for everyone's taste. I chose Victoria, a slim hottie with tats everywhere. Had a tongue piercing that she knew how to put to good use. Excellent GFE service plus massage. MSOG friendly.
Prime; Seems to be very popular or I went at the wrong time, had to wait 40 min for a room after making my choice. The hottest lineup I ever saw in any spa. Six ladies were available and all were 8 and up. Chose Alicia, a skinny but very shapely hottie. Spoke good English. Only downside was that she did not like kissing, but everything else was delivered to perfection, including MSOG. One of the few with whom I did not need to fake the second pop.
I also had a visit from a hottie I met on the last trip, and this time she took a full holiday from polishing other men's poles for cash to be with me full time. Spent the entire week at my place. These Brazilians are the best.
Also took time to visit MASP, thoroughly enjoyed the experience and I highly recommend. Only Rs 90 for 2 tickets.
Happy mongering my friends.
Polyamorist
06-06-21, 04:47
SK, Nice report. Such candid observations are always very valuable to mongers. And, yes, never change money at the airport. Your best bet are the bank ATMs at the airport if you need cash.Nope, they are rigged with card skimmers. GRU is one big gringo trap. It's best if you have cash from a previous visit. Or call an Uber using a card and get cash in an ATM once you get into the city. Not a 24-hour ATM as those are often hijacked too.
Polyamorist
06-06-21, 05:09
I don't understand why it seems to be so hard to get a SIM card in Brazil. I feel like multiple posters have had trouble in this area. Is there a definitive guide? After reading SK's report I'm still confused.I don't know either, but from the behavior of phone store clerks there are clearly some perverse incentives at work. My best guess is that they only get commission for sales to customers with CPFs and this is part of the government's drive to plant CPFs on everyone and shoehorn CPFs into every transaction.
You could try saying, "If you sell me a SIM card, I'll buy R100 credit," and maybe they get commission on that.
Vagabundo1
06-06-21, 07:32
In RJ you can get a registered (cadastro) sim card at Central for 17 reais.
Not in SP.
My intuition is it is security.
Think of all the things you can do with a phone number, which in turn gets attached to whatsapp and all the other messaging apps.
I don't know either, but from the behavior of phone store clerks there are clearly some perverse incentives at work. My best guess is that they only get commission for sales to customers with CPFs and this is part of the government's drive to plant CPFs on everyone and shoehorn CPFs into every transaction.
You could try saying, "If you sell me a SIM card, I'll buy R100 credit," and maybe they get commission on that.
Vagabundo1
06-06-21, 07:39
Makes sense.
Super spreader venue.
Its a dance bar / strip club and it is fun AF.
Loved taking the ceci girl there, it was a more or less normal date night out before going back to a love motel and fucking all night.
Casarao is currently closed. Check their website.
Rather than running around all over the place trying to acquire a SIM card, I signed up with a major USA Carrier with an excellent international plan. All I have to do is turn on roaming when I get to my destination, and it just works! I have the internet, and I can make calls. I get why some might want a local SIM card, but its never been worth the aggravation to me. And as for getting money, I used to carry a lot with me, then search out a good exchange house, but no more. Instead, I'm sold on withdrawing what I need from the ATMs. Exercise the right precautions, and you can do this safely. And go with the right financial institution, and you can avoid ATM fees too. My bank charges zero foreign transaction fees, and if the local bank charges fees, my institution refunds 100% of those at the end of the month! Getting money is discussed thoroughly in the "Real vs Dollar and other currency issues" thread. Guys please, please, please RTFF to get the best advice and suggestions on how to deal with these logistical issues so that you spend less time worrying about SIM cards and access to cash, and more time on hitting that gash! All of this has been discussed extensively on the site.
SamaRiding
06-06-21, 14:42
I have been in SP for the last week. I visiting a bunch of clinicas and by far the best is Prime. They have usually 10-16 girls per day with a rotating staff of at least 30. I've been every day and there several new girls I haven't seen before who I have to add to do list. I love thin girls and spinners with natural breasts. The other clinicas I have visited usually only 1-2 girls that interested me. They are more fake T & A But guys love that down here. Other good places that I like are Enjoy and Indy (insanely cheap at 150 reals for one full hour).
A few notes. Time in clinicas is set and girls stay the full time, either 30 minutes or one hour. I always pick one hour, which is only 10-15 US $ more. One girl who I wasn't clicking with asked me 5 times if it was ok to leave the room after the first shot because she didn't want to get in trouble. After the first shot, if the girl ask if you want a massage that their code word question for Are we done with sex? My sessions have been 50% full on sex for the full hour or if the first shot was just good, I would just opt for a ok massage from a naked girl for 20 minutes. CIM (almost always offered) and anal (if offered) is included. Also their start hours are misleading, Prime and other say they are opened at 10 am but girls don't come in until 12 pm or 1 pm. Get the clinicas WhatsApp status by asking them to add you to their contacts and you get daily schedule and pics on status. I found this to be very useful to see if I going to check out a place. You can also schedule a girl ahead of time by messaging. One last thing, very few of girls or madams speak English so google translate your messages.
I went to Scandallo yesterday, Saturday evening and stayed until closure at 9 pm. As there were recently a bit contrary reports on the situation at Scandallo, unfortunately my experience was almost exactly the same as Lalabo's:
The only areas open are the bar right by the entrance, adjacent smoker room where people are cramped together and the restaurant, which was pretty much deserted. Disco and Patio closed, Party atmosphere non -existent. Girls quality the lowest I have ever experienced in my maybe 30+ total visits before and during pandemic. Total maybe 50-60 girls, some older and overweight, average 5's and 6's at best, some would even have a hard-time in cheaper places. Few doable girls, hardened pros, pushy and annoying trying to get you to the room, certainly no model quality. Reduced Cover 50 Reais + 150 Consumption. Girls confirmed that during the week movement is even slower. I don't think I will go back until they get back to normal opening hours. The place to be at the moment is definitely Connection. They have more and better girls with quite a few who are normally working at Scandallo.
I know many forum members mentioned reduced hours of operation but for some reason I took the Google's word and went to the club on Saturday around 7 pm expecting club would be open until 6 am. Big mistake! Pandemic restrictions are still in effect, so they close at 9 pm. I thought 2 hours is more than enough to find a girl from countless available inside.
Inside was a total disappointment! All they had open was the restaurant, small smoking area next to it and the small bar. All the girls and guys were packed in the small smoking area with no room to move around. There were may be 30 girls and as many men. Not a good girl / men ratio. Most of the girls were on older side and looked liked hardcore seasoned pros. I didn't see any young fresh faces that I remember from my previous visits. It was hard to scope out and find the one you like when you are in such a small space packed like sardines. I understand we are in the middle of pandemic but what I saw was bad. I thought the club is just taking advantage of their reputation. May be it was a low business day, maybe earlier that day was better or other days are better. I will visit another time later this week and see I if the club is any better..
SamaRiding
06-06-21, 15:46
This one of the closet hotel to the clinicas and Prime. I asked the front desk, you can check in after 9 am if there is availability in this large hotel. Before 9 am, they will charge half day. If checking out very late, like 8 pm they also charge half day. For those with USA flights. I've been staying at an Airbnb in meoma which was even closer. I was walking around this morning to see my housing options for next time.
SamaRiding
06-06-21, 16:45
I went to Scandallo x2, connection x3 and Bomboa x 1. Scandallo girls are beautiful as mentioned previously, they are dressed to impress but many have fake tits. They closed at 9 pm this week so it competed with my clincias schedule, which most regularly close also at 9 pm. Connections and Bomboa closes around 4 am. I like connection the best, maybe mostly for the hours. I would do the clinicas during the day and head over to connection around 10 or 11 pm. It's a big club party scene in connection and the girls are less impressive and in more club wear but there are less fake tits there. There were still 5-6 stunners for me. Scandallo had only the restaurant and outdoor patio open which limited girl interaction. The girls said they missed the dancing in the closed indoor lounge area. Connection girls would go to the room for 300 to 500 reals with room costing 140. Scandallo girls settled for 400 to 700 with room costing 240. Warning, they will ask for 700 to 1400 first so you got to negotiate. Entry was only consumption for me since I always went over the minimum, I think it was 100 connection and 150 Scandallo (due to the reduced hours). Bomboa is a small classy cocktail lounge with I think 200 consumption min with maybe 20 -30 girls. You get a table and waiter, who you can ditch but there is really not much to walk around. My waiter asked for a tip when I checked out and I thought he was nice enough to give him something. No tipping in connection and scandallo. In my opinion, the service from the boates girls is good but not as good as the clinicas girls, who really aim to please you one scandallo girl didn't DFK and did covered BJ, my mistake.
SamaRiding
06-06-21, 17:03
I have been a FKK fan for last 6 years. I thought it was amazing system where you can session with girls, relax in the sauna, eat or sleep for the entire day. I have missed it for the last 18 months. SP is competing for the title. One thing still going for FKK is that is that the girls are naked or near naked. You can really pick your body type. Almost all FKK speak English which is a big play. In SP, the girls are dressed and they can really hid flaws. The service and price of SP clinicas is on top though. For 30 to 50 US $ you can have one full hour of GFE sex with CIM and anal included. If you want to party at night, you can go to the boates but it's more expensive. In SP, got to learn Portuguese to speak with the girls, google translate isn't the same.
One Eyed Man
06-06-21, 17:40
I don't understand why it seems to be so hard to get a SIM card in Brazil. I feel like multiple posters have had trouble in this area. Is there a definitive guide? After reading SK's report I'm still confused.You can get a limited-time SIM card for tourists. Just bring your passport. (I found out about it on this forum.) It took at least a half hour in the phone store to get it, though.
I also recall reading (and verified) that you can request a CPF number online, though it may be pre-travel.
Captain Solo
06-06-21, 17:59
For a very interesting tour of Sao Paolo, take a ride on the main street leading to Universidad do Sao Paolo.
Day or night, that street is lined with tall, tanned women in colorful, sexy dresses. Just grab their crotches and check to make sure their dicks are not bigger than yours hehe.
I guess plans mean jack when shit hits the fan. I'll write out my experience in case another noob can benefit from it. Skip to the FR if airport and phone acquisition stories don't interest you.
SinfullyKorean
06-06-21, 18:39
You can get a limited-time SIM card for tourists. Just bring your passport. (I found out about it on this forum.) It took at least a half hour in the phone store to get it, though.
I also recall reading (and verified) that you can request a CPF number online, though it may be pre-travel.Do you have any additional details about this? Because that's exactly what I did. More than anything, I find it annoying and counter intuitive that you can't get one at the airport. It's the first thing that a tourist needs to do.
Even outside the airport, it's not simple. I went to the Vivo store with my passport 4 times yesterday and I still have issues with my phone. I got to go back and see if they can fix it. Right now, it's only my internet that's not working. But I can't Uber around without it. I might look into GoogleFi as Lalabo mentioned.
As for the currency exchange, I don't recall the exchange rate being mentioned regarding the airport. 5:1 exchange rate at the mall was decent, so I lost $10 from that mistake at the airport. I don't think I really regret it. I didn't need the cash, but you never know what emergency you'd run into. I've read the post regarding using Schwab. And I'll get around to it, probably by the end of the year. But I don't think it's much of an issue. The phone problem was / is the biggest hurdle right now.
I have been a FKK fan for last 6 years. I thought it was amazing system where you can session with girls, relax in the sauna, eat or sleep for the entire day. I have missed it for the last 18 months. SP is competing for the title. One thing still going for FKK is that is that the girls are naked or near naked. You can really pick your body type. Almost all FKK speak English which is a big play. In SP, the girls are dressed and they can really hid flaws. The service and price of SP clinicas is on top though. For 30 to 50 US $ you can have one full hour of GFE sex with CIM and anal included. If you want to party at night, you can go to the boates but it's more expensive. In SP, got to learn Portuguese to speak with the girls, google translate isn't the same.Go to Rio for the termas and an FKK-like experience.
Do you have any additional details about this? Because that's exactly what I did. More than anything, I find it annoying and counter intuitive that you can't get one at the airport. It's the first thing that a tourist needs to do.
Even outside the airport, it's not simple. I went to the Vivo store with my passport 4 times yesterday and I still have issues with my phone. I got to go back and see if they can fix it. Right now, it's only my internet that's not working. But I can't Uber around without it. I might look into GoogleFi as Lalabo mentioned.
As for the currency exchange, I don't recall the exchange rate being mentioned regarding the airport. 5:1 exchange rate at the mall was decent, so I lost $10 from that mistake at the airport. I don't think I really regret it. I didn't need the cash, but you never know what emergency you'd run into. I've read the post regarding using Schwab. And I'll get around to it, probably by the end of the year. But I don't think it's much of an issue. The phone problem was / is the biggest hurdle right now.Out of pure curiosity, what and how much was the plan that you bought from the SIM store? I used to do this many years ago and then T-Mobile switched to unlimited data plans while traveling for like $10 month so I would use that. Now, I have a dual sim phone so I just purchase an eSim thru an app that gives me high speed data use for my trips.
I would like to compare which would be the cheaper and most importantly, the easier option.
Mr Enternational
06-06-21, 19:26
Out of pure curiosity, what and how much was the plan that you bought from the SIM store? I used to do this many years ago and then T-Mobile switched to unlimited data plans while traveling for like $10 month so I would use that.You must be on an antiquated plan. The T-mobile plan that I have had for the last many years includes unlimited data while traveling, free calls and texts between USA, Canada, and Mexico. Free calls over wifi. I pay $70 including taxes. It has been close to 10 years that I was able to ditch my Brazilian SIM because of T-mobile.
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