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FlowState985
07-09-22, 07:48
Can you arrive prior to 7 PM (and pay lower entrance fee) stay a bit and leave and come back later after 10 PM will they let you in without paying an additional fee? Or will they charge the difference or full late night fee?You don't get charge twice, just make sure you tell them you coming back later and get a wristband.
UniversalX
07-09-22, 10:07
You don't get charge twice, just make sure you tell them you coming back later and get a wristband.Muito bom.
I think this is an example of different strokes for different folks or another way of looking at it is some guys prefer being a big fish in a small pond and some guys prefer swimming in the big blue ocean.
The first few times I went to Scandallo I arrived before 7 pm. The large entertainment bar and the courtyard bar were roped off due to the relatively small number of girls & customers. I still found a few girls to my liking, but overall, the quality, not to mention the quantity, was nowhere as good as it is later on at night, so I began arriving later and later until I finally began arriving between 2100 to 2130 which I found to be optimal. But if you like the early show that is fine by me.The hottest girl I ever met at Scandallo had the booty on duty at 7 pm when I got there. After that, I continued to arrive around 7 pm and always found a hottie to fuck early. Then from there I like to have dinner. Afterwards, drinks and walking and lounging around until I find at least one more tute to my liking. Fuck again. Drink again. Maybe one more girl if the night is good. Different strokes for different folks. Different dicks for different chicks! Oh, snd my favorite nights to go are consistently Fridays and Saturdays. Never get the claims that Saturdays are no good because it's always been jam packed during Saturday prime time hours when I went (shrugs).
I remember that your cover will be 400 but all 400 is consumable.This is what I think how it works. If you go at 3 PM, you pay 250. Then you comeback after 7 PM. Assume you consume nothing at all after 7 PM. I think you will still be charged 150. So the total for the two entries will be 400.
The reason is because I saw the receipt was 400 and 250 was deducted from it but I did not ask anyone about it.
I think this is an example of different strokes for different folks or another way of looking at it is some guys prefer being a big fish in a small pond and some guys prefer swimming in the big blue ocean.
The first few times I went to Scandallo I arrived before 7 pm. The large entertainment bar and the courtyard bar were roped off due to the relatively small number of girls & customers. I still found a few girls to my liking, but overall, the quality, not to mention the quantity, was nowhere as good as it is later on at night, so I began arriving later and later until I finally began arriving between 2100 to 2130 which I found to be optimal. But if you like the early show that is fine by me.Most girls that arrive for the day or evening shift are more "classy" looking like you can take them out no problem, the ones that come at night are more "hardcore" looking I've found. So depends if you want GFE or pse LOL.
Girls have to go 5 days a week like any other job and if they don't they need to pay an entrance fee so most do not want to go on Mondays since it is super slow so they end up going on Saturday since its closed on Sundays. Or they pay the fee because they can afford it.
Took a girl I haven't seen in 2 years there, she said lets go out for the same price but I did not remember but she did, she stayed 24 HR for 1300 R they never forget what you paid them LOL.
This is what I think how it works. If you go at 3 PM, you pay 250. Then you comeback after 7 PM. Assume you consume nothing at all after 7 PM. I think you will still be charged 150. So the total for the two entries will be 400.
The reason is because I saw the receipt was 400 and 250 was deducted from it but I did not ask anyone about it.No just one charge, if you don't consume you lose it.
Axel Heyst
07-09-22, 18:36
Cane, I never said one could not find a sexy girl at 7 pm in Scandallo and I am not questioning your experience, of hooking up with the hottest girl you ever met at Scandallo at 7, but that is an anomaly to state the obvious. Still, I am glad to hear you struck gold at 7. Like I said I have had pleasant early evening encounters with really nice girls as well, but the mother lode of smokin' hot women happens later on as I think you know.
But it is always the case of different Chicks for different Dicks. So, I will take a stab at it now. KKK. Here goes. In my humble opinion there are 4 types of girls found at Scandallo in prime time:
Tier 1 are model quality girls. What in my estimation is a model quality girl? It is a girl that I am instantly attracted to, blown away by her good looks. I. E. A girl that I find beautiful within a nano second of seeing her, no hesitation, first glance. I am talking about her face. It takes me a little longer to judge the attractiveness of the girl's body. Unfortunately there are some very beautiful faces in Scandallo with large, obviously fake tits, so when I observe this phenomenon, these particular girls fall out of MY Tier 1 category. In any case, Tier 1 girls know they are hot and that they are in high demand. Many show up whenever they want. After 10 pm girls have to pay a 200 br entrance fee and I have seen drop dead beauties showing up at 11 pm and later. They don't care. They make the big money and have lots of things going on in and outside of Scandallo. I have had some Tier 1 girls initially quote me 2000 br for an in-house session, but I never paid one more than 1200 br. She was worth it by the way.
Tier 2 girls are sexy and very pretty girls, but I usually have to think about their looks a while before deciding if I am really attracted to them and want to pursue things further and buy them a drink. Tier 2 girls can have great bodies, as fine as any Tier 1 girl. The difference is all in their faces. Most of my Scandallo girls are Tier 2 types. I have never paid more than 700 br per in-house session for a Tier 2. That is incorrect. Last trip I gave a pretty Tier 2 Indigenous girl and extra 200 br for bareback. It was worth it to me.
Tier 3 girls are girls I frankly do not find attractive for a variety of reasons like plain faces (ugly) or lousy bodies (naturally fat or augmented) or both. There are plenty of these types in Scandallo. Ha Ha. On a scale of 1 to 10 I rate Tier 3 girls between 5 to 5. 8.
Tier 4 girls are a sub-category of Tier 3. I would rank these girls Tier 1 or Tier 2 if not for their "enhancements" ie huge fake tits and fake butts which ruin things for me. But I know plenty of guys like these kinds of girls hence the phrase different chicks for different dicks is very apropos or as John Lennon once sang, "Whatever gets you through the night. It's alright, it's alright.
Again, these Tiers are based on my subjective evaluations after having visited Scandallo at least 50 times in the post-covid era in October / November 2021 & April / May 2022. One thing is clear: I really like the joint. The only other bordello that rates as highly in my mind is a joint called Malioboro / Malio Club in Jakarta.
And one last thing: a friend of mine from the Thai forum once said, if you don't post pictures in your report, it did not happen, Ha Ha, and I generally agree with this because anybody can say his girl was a "10" or a "9" or whatever and he really believes it but his descriptions do not help me much unless I know the guy and I know he has solid taste in women. But I won't post pics of my girls in an open forum, so you will have to take my word for it that I know what a good-looking girl is when I see her or not. It is up to the reader to decide if what I post is real or BS.
Axel Heyst
07-09-22, 19:41
Girls have to go 5 days a week like any other job and if they don't they need to pay an entrance fee so most do not want to go on Mondays since it is super slow so they end up going on Saturday since its closed on Sundays. Or they pay the fee because they can afford it.
Took a girl I haven't seen in 2 years there, she said lets go out for the same price but I did not remember but she did, she stayed 24 HR for 1300 R they never forget what you paid them LOL.Those are 2 great points, Hobbying.
Point 1: Tier 1 girls can afford the entrance fee, so they come and go as they want. They are true independent contractors. I have seen drop dead beauties arriving at 11 or 11:30 pm. They pay the entrance fee because they know they can get it back as a small part of their service charge.
Point 2: My current favorite Scandallo girl (S) is a Tier 2 girl ie she is a sexy, cute, girl next door type. I like her best out of all my SP girls because she is the sweetest girl I have met in a long, long time and because we are very in-sync, almost like one, in bed. I first met her back in October 2021. Her Scandallo in-house price then was 500 br. I hooked up with her again this last April and her in-house price to me was still 500 br although most of my new (April / May) Tier 2 girls were asking a lot more and accepting 700 br from me. I am (S) is getting more than 500 br from her new customers. But I don't feel sorry for her. Ha ha. She upsold me on the virtues of seeing me at my hotel at 900 br for 3 to 4 hours. It is totally worth the extended ST and just what I want.
Back to Point 1: Since (S) is a Tier 2 girl and thus is not able to command the big session fees the superstars get; she needs to follow the rules so she can avoid paying an entrance fee which for her includes arriving before 10 pm and staying at Scandallo until closing time. Those Mondays on which she has to show up are the worst nights for her since it is most likely going to be a long slow night although you never know.
During my last 4 nights in town, I chatted with (S) Monday afternoon just to have a little talk. I was aware that I was acting kind of romantic, but I did not care. We had just spent Sunday night together and it was a great night. So, I am talking to her Monday afternoon, and she is a little bummed out because she has to go to Scandallo tonight. So, out of nowhere I have this Sir Galahad moment and I tell her I might drop by and see her tonight. This perks her up big time and I realize too late what a big mouth I have. KKK.
Anyway, we settle on a 9 to 9:30 hookup and I show up around 9:30 and there she is waiting for me with a big smile at a small un-roped off section of the entertainment bar. There is hardly anyone in the place. We have a drink and talk a little. Then I ask her what she wants to do, but she does not get the drift of what I am saying so I tell her we can either go upstairs or go back to my hotel. Well, she literally beamed when I offered to take her back to my hotel because it meant she would not have to spend the night bored to death at Scandallo until 4 am, but then she immediately warned me it would cost me 200 br to take her out of the club. I said not a problem and her was response was all the thanks I needed. Long story short, we went back to my hotel, smoked a joint, drank half a bottle of quality Malbec, boom boomed, ordered room service, ate, finished the wine, boom boomed, smoked some more reefer and streamed a couple of episodes of "Trailer Park Boys" on Netflix in Portuguese / English subtitles. It was another great night with my favorite SP girl, and she left around 3 am.
Anyway, the point of my story is (S) like many Scandallo girls views what she does at Scandallo as a job just like any other. She has her work days (nights) and hours, and she reports on time, or she is docked in pay (the entrance fee) if she arrives after 10 pm. I really dig her and she is the main reason I am returning to SP in October instead of flying to BKK. I am planning to take her on a short holiday to Isabela. I will let you guys know how that turns out.
No just one charge, if you don't consume you lose it.You mean you will be charged 0 if you go back after 7 PM and leave at 7:30 PM without ordering anything?
SocratesNY
07-10-22, 05:51
Some of the comments regarding the following are a bit off / confusing:
1) early / re-entry at Scandallo for guys / clients.
2) girls' working days and free invites back without paying admission.
My info is from numerous personal experiences regarding the former and what 4 + girls have told me regarding the latter.
Arriving before 7 pm, leaving and retuning later in the evening:
If you enter before 7 pm, you pay 200 E (It used to be 150, all consumption). Of that 200 E, 150 is consumption, but I saw a few times, it was 150 admission, all consumption. I think that's for Mondays. On certain special days, where they have in demand / popular live musicians or special events, the admission is even higher. (6-800). On those occasions the consumption included is also higher. When you leave the first time, any of the consumption not spent are lost.
When you return, you pay no admission / cover and just whatever you consume.
Here are 2 examples:
1). You arrive at 5 pm, you spend all your included consumption. You pay 200 plus whatever consumption is above included amount when you leave. When you return at 9 pm, They know you were there earlier in the day as your ID is in the system. But I always mentioned that I was there earlier in the day, in case they didn't notice. You now just pay whatever you consume. So if you spend 50 on drinks you pay 50 when you leave for the second time.
2). You arrive at 6 pm. See nothing you like and spend only 50 on drinks / food. You pay 200 when you leave the first time. Any unspent included consumption is lost upon leaving. It does not carry over to your return later in the evening. When you return for the second time, you just pay whatever you can consume when you leave. Just like example 1.
My friends and I often go there before 7:00 usually around 3 or 4:00 pm We will spend a couple of hours there, and then we leave to go eat at a nice restaurant. Then we return at 10:00 or 11:00 pm And just pay whatever we consume on our second time there.
From my experience, the pros and cons of the early shift are.
Pros:.
Oftentimes you find girls who can't stay out late due to family or work obligations for their primary job. A lot of these girls are not regulars. Many part timers fall into this group. But part-timers also show up at night too, but less per ratio.
I have met day time girls in the medical profession who work at night, so they show up at Scandalo during the day. I have met girls who were there just temporarily to get through some temporary tough times and they show up during the day so their family don't suspect and think they are working a regular job during the day. Most of the professional girls I have met at scandalo were during the day shift. Some examples are a doctor, a lawyer, an actress, a TV personality, multiple real professional models with a significant portfolio, multiple professional dancers, an engineer and even a teacher.
Most of the girls I met who only did this rarely were met during the day (12 to 8 pm). Many of them just needed something quick to get through some tough times or quicky hated it and stopped shortly after.
Oftentimes you can get cheaper pricing from girls during the day as there are less customers so it's more of a buyer's market in some sense. This might not apply to girls who start later in the afternoon or early evening (5 pm or later) as they can still count on the night crowd later in the evening. As stated by others, the girls need to work 8 hours to get a free invite back the next day. The exception is if they get a "Salida", which is a 250 take out fee. I suspect they can also leave before 8 hours and get a free invite back the next day, bif they do a certain amount of rooms in house.
Con:
There are a lot less girls during the day than at night so obviously your options are more limited. So on any given afternoon you might not find a girl that fits your taste if you are picky. That is almost never a problem at night, unless your taste of very very niche.
Summary:
I think you will find more "grinders / full timers" working in the evening, as there is a higher chance to get a customer at night, due to more customers, even though there are more competition with more girls.
With that said, there are various exemption to the rule. Some of top girls can command more, both in and outside of the club, so can ignore the free invites. They can come and go as they please.
A lot of these girls have regular clients that pay them enough to see them outside of the club that they can just go to Scandallo when they have an opening on their calendar. Or they are whisked away for vacation trips often or travel to work internationally (usually Dubai or Europe) and work in Scandallo only when they are home visiting family, miss home, etc.
Free invite back / girls working full time:
As for how the the regular shift / free invite works, the girls need to work 5 consecutive days a week to avoid paying admission. They can choose Saturday or Monday as their second day off on top of Sunday. A girl must work 8 hours or have a guy take them out of the club to get a free invite back the next "business" day.
Once they miss a day of work that are not part of their selected 2nd day off, they will have to pay admission on their next visit and the cycle repeats, where they will get a free invite after working 8 hours / or get a Salida.
So a girl can work 1) Tuesday to Saturday or 2) Monday to Friday. If they work Tuesday to Saturday, the next free invite is for Tuesday (Sunday and Monday off). If they work Monday to Friday, their next free invite is for Monday (Saturday and Sunday off). They can also change which is the second day off anytime they want.
Given the above, most full-timers prefer Monday's off on top of Sundays, because Saturday is usually less slow than Monday.
So a girl can work 1) Tuesday to Saturday or 2) Monday to Friday. If they work Tuesday to Saturday, the next free invite is for Tuesday (Sunday and Monday off). If they work Monday to Friday, their next free invite is for Monday (Saturday and Sunday off). They can also change which is the second day off anytime they want.
Given the above, most full-timers prefer Monday's off on top of Sundays, because Saturday is usually less slow than Monday.Some great info in here. I frequent Scandallo alot during the evenings but will try to make it in during one of these daytime shifts. I'd be interested in seeing what talent comes through. Also noteworthy is that I can re-enter without paying a second admission fee, never knew that.
UniversalX
07-10-22, 09:44
Some of the comments regarding the following are a bit off / confusing:
1) early / re-entry at Scandallo for guys / clients.
2) girls' working days and free invites back without paying admission.
My info is from numerous personal experiences regarding the former and what 4 + girls have told me regarding the latter.Outstanding, Very Comprehensive. Thanks.
You mean you will be charged 0 if you go back after 7 PM and leave at 7:30 PM without ordering anything?Yes, you can sample the day and evening shift and come back for the night shift girls.
Those are 2 great points, Hobbying.
Point 1: Tier 1 girls can afford the entrance fee, so they come and go as they want. They are true independent contractors. I have seen drop dead beauties arriving at 11 or 11:30 pm. They pay the entrance fee because they know they can get it back as a small part of their service charge.
Point 2: My current favorite Scandallo girl (S) is a Tier 2 girl ie she is a sexy, cute, girl next door type. I like her best out of all my SP girls because she is the sweetest girl I have met in a long, long time and because we are very in-sync, almost like one, in bed. I first met her back in October 2021. Her Scandallo in-house price then was 500 br. I hooked up with her again this last April and her in-house price to me was still 500 br although most of my new (April / May) Tier 2 girls were asking a lot more and accepting 700 br from me. I am (S) is getting more than 500 br from her new customers. But I don't feel sorry for her. Ha ha. She upsold me on the virtues of seeing me at my hotel at 900 br for 3 to 4 hours. It is totally worth the extended ST and just what I want.
Back to Point 1: Since (S) is a Tier 2 girl and thus is not able to command the big session fees the superstars get; she needs to follow the rules so she can avoid paying an entrance fee which for her includes arriving before 10 pm and staying at Scandallo until closing time. Those Mondays on which she has to show up are the worst nights for her since it is most likely going to be a long slow night although you never know..A strategy I use often is to tell the girl I want a test drive upstairs and if it goes well we can go out. Gives them incentive to put in some extra effort upstairs if I intend to take her our not. But it also has backfired, they were great the first time but a dud the second time.
I called up two girls I've been with, It's been forever since I was with two girls at the same time. It was one the most memorable time, one girl joined the 5 finger club while the other ATM while I bare anal the other ending in cumswap swallow, pse to the max. Why go to any other country?
They'll let me film it next time so I'll have proof LOL.
Girls love to try new experiences, and I like to challenge them. I met this lovely girl in the Cafe Photo (the second address, now they have a third one) who's battle name was Alexa (a name I really like). Well, we met two more times, the second time we arranged a super hot photoshoot. She loved the idea. She introduced her friend who had a great ass and long long legs as you can see. They came to my hotel very late at night, around 3 am, I had to reserve one more room so the guys at the hotel won't complain. The production started around 10 am after having breakfast, then I showed them my toys and wardrobes. They loved them.
These two lovely beauties interacted very well indeed, the blonde girl bending over and taking those black stockings off in ultra high heels. Meanwhile the brunette going naked in the bathroom trying masks uuhhhh a great view as you can imagine. When we finished the shoot, I told the brunette to stay so we could fuck again, she could not, so we met at night. It was awesome crazy fuck, we watched the videos of the shoot on the turntable screen while fucking doggy style. She had a true crazy orgasm I will not forget. 'cause I also screamed like a mad man when I came. LOL.
I love to produce powerful images that speak for themselves and yeah I know about great great asses, I worship them!
Note: See image 3 so you can check it is Brazil indeed. And if you know carioca polititians, you'll identify the guy on the screen on the fifth.
Note 2: I have the talent's release of course, so nothing to worry about. I'm an experienced visual producer.
Some of the comments regarding the following are a bit off / confusing:....Thanks for the clarification, and sorry about causing the confusion.
Yes, you can sample the day and evening shift and come back for the night shift girls.
Thank you! I read too much into the receipt I got the only time I did it.
Girls love to try new experiences, and I like to challenge them. I met this lovely girl in the Cafe Photo (the second address, now they have a third one) who's battle name was Alexa (a name I really like). Well, we met two more times, the second time we arranged a super hot photoshoot. She loved the idea. She introduced her friend who had a great ass and long long legs as you can see. They came to my hotel very late at night, around 3 am, I had to reserve one more room so the guys at the hotel won't complain. The production started around 10 am after having breakfast, then I showed them my toys and wardrobes. They loved them.
These two lovely beauties interacted very well indeed, the blonde girl bending over and taking those black stockings off in ultra high heels. Meanwhile the brunette going naked in the bathroom trying masks uuhhhh a great view as you can imagine. When we finished the shoot, I told the brunette to stay so we could fuck again, she could not, so we met at night. It was awesome crazy fuck, we watched the videos of the shoot on the turntable screen while fucking doggy style. She had a true crazy orgasm I will not forget. 'cause I also screamed like a mad man when I came. LOL.
I love to produce powerful images that speak for themselves and yeah I know about great great asses, I worship them!
Note: See image 3 so you can check it is Brazil indeed. And if you know carioca polititians, you'll identify the guy on the screen on the fifth.
Note 2: I have the talent's release of course, so nothing to worry about. I'm an experienced visual producer.Glad to see São Paulo is still the jewel of hobbying.
Cafe photo girls seem to bring really good energy in my experience.
Hopefully it has picked up from my last visit in November.
Interesting that you paid for another room rather than just have them meet you at a love motel.
Love motels are the staples of SP and one should really make good use of them!
Lush, apple, Asturias and other love motels.
They provide food and drinks, pools, hot tubs, costumes and different sex furnitures.
Usually if you book after midnight you get the whole room until 1 or 2 pm.
Otherwise before then it's usually 4 HR and every other hour is extra.
Usually prices go for 300-500 brl but you definitely get the most bang for your buck kkk.
Plus you don't have to clean up the mess afterwards.
Don't miss out on these motels.
You're not an honorary paulista until you've have.
Axel Heyst
07-11-22, 12:13
Girls love to try new experiences, and I like to challenge them. I met this lovely girl in the Cafe Photo (the second address, now they have a third one) who's battle name was Alexa (a name I really like). Well, we met two more times, the second time we arranged a super hot photoshoot. She loved the idea. She introduced her friend who had a great ass and long long legs as you can see. Great stuff HiddenEye. On my last SP visit I enjoyed 2 memorable menage a trois, both were bisexual free range. I posted about the 1st one with 2 Scandallo girls in-house. The 2nd one was with a girl that I met one night at Bomboa who occasionally places adds with ClubModel and her girlfriend. Menage #2 took place at my room at the Hilton. I really enjoy 3 ways of this nature, but it all depends on having girls that are up for it and that I am into.
In regards Cafe Photo location (s): I am only aware of the one at Av. Dos Bandeirantes, 1515 - Itaim Bibi. And then there is Lotus Club at.
Av. Juscelino Kubitschek, 373 where the old Photo Club used to be. Where is the third one you mention located?
Oh yeah, Cafe Photo had one address before there in the Juscelino, it was na Vila Nova Conceição. That's in the early 2000's. That house changed the game LOL. Here a Link to that story.
https://vejasp.abril.com.br/cidades/cafe-photo-prepara-mudanca-para-itaim/
Some guys from Millenium Café and new partners joined to invest in the Juselino address. Now I know that one is still from the old foundationary partner. A genius. I will visit the new place in the upcoming months.
My balls are willing a "four hands" service already hahahahaha a menage a trois.
Great stuff HiddenEye. On my last SP visit I enjoyed 2 memorable menage a trois, both were bisexual free range. I posted about the 1st one with 2 Scandallo girls in-house. The 2nd one was with a girl that I met one night at Bomboa who occasionally places adds with ClubModel and her girlfriend. Menage #2 took place at my room at the Hilton. I really enjoy 3 ways of this nature, but it all depends on having girls that are up for it and that I am into.
In regards Cafe Photo location (s): I am only aware of the one at Av. Dos Bandeirantes, 1515 - Itaim Bibi. And then there is Lotus Club at.
Av. Juscelino Kubitschek, 373 where the old Photo Club used to be. Where is the third one you mention located?Hi Bearsi, yes, love motels are great. I have the great luck to know few love motels in South, center and West Brazil since the early 2000's. Having sex at noon, at 30°see and cold beer in such places is simply great. Those motels make you feel like on the beach. Being very in the deeps of Brazil.
Just let me know if someone needs info.
Glad to see So Paulo is still the jewel of hobbying.
Cafe photo girls seem to bring really good energy in my experience.
Hopefully it has picked up from my last visit in November.
Interesting that you paid for another room rather than just have them meet you at a love motel.
Love motels are the staples of SP and one should really make good use of them!
Lush, apple, Asturias and other love motels.
They provide food and drinks, pools, hot tubs, costumes and different sex furnitures..
I'm traveling to SP from US for work and I've been going through this forum and I'm undecided. I had been browsing Saopaoloescortguide and they sent me a couple options. I'm pretty selective and can't stand when girls don't look like their pictures so I'm looking for the best way to get a top tier companion. I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. Last time I went to brothel was in Barcelona and it was a very pushy experience and I did not like it. I prefer an upscale and clean environment where I can take my time and identify one who speaks to me who fits my mood for appearance that day. Happy to take any input for a Brazil newbie so I can make the most of my time when I'm not working.
I'm traveling to SP from US for work and I've been going through this forum and I'm undecided. I had been browsing Saopaoloescortguide and they sent me a couple options. I'm pretty selective and can't stand when girls don't look like their pictures so I'm looking for the best way to get a top tier companion. I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. Last time I went to brothel was in Barcelona and it was a very pushy experience and I did not like it. I prefer an upscale and clean environment where I can take my time and identify one who speaks to me who fits my mood for appearance that day. Happy to take any input for a Brazil newbie so I can make the most of my time when I'm not working.Don't waste time and money on bait and switch online scams. You sound like the type of guy who would like Scandallo:
https://youtu.be/F9wWoM0zaE4
https://youtu.be/YEV51mFxVxo
The only caveat is that the line-up may not be as good as pre-pandemic. But, based on the reports I have read, this is not exclusive to Scandallo. Lineups suffered all over the world, and have not fully recovered yet in most top destinations.
Axel Heyst
07-13-22, 18:31
I'm traveling to SP from US for work and I've been going through this forum and I'm undecided. I had been browsing Saopaoloescortguide and they sent me a couple options. I'm pretty selective and can't stand when girls don't look like their pictures so I'm looking for the best way to get a top tier companion. I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. Last time I went to brothel was in Barcelona and it was a very pushy experience and I did not like it. I prefer an upscale and clean environment where I can take my time and identify one who speaks to me who fits my mood for appearance that day. Happy to take any input for a Brazil newbie so I can make the most of my time when I'm not working.How many times do we experienced SP BM's have to say this?
Scandallo is a world class bordello. Period. It is a must see / must do kind of place when in SP. If you want to fool around with escorts, have at it. It is your time, your money, and your preference. There are some very attractive escorts, but I for one would rather go out at night and see what SP has to offer than stay cooped up in my hotel room.
The problem you mentioned with escorts, the picture issue, which on the better escort sites is not a question of fake pictures, but occasionally that of photoshopped glam pics and / or out of date pics that do not give a totally accurate view of how the girl looks today in person in real life although she would still be recognizable from her photos so it is not bait & switch.
Thus this is not as big a problem as the issue which arises from not having met the girl before making a date and therefor having no idea what the girl's personality is like or whether you even like her when she knocks on your door. I spent a lot of time with escorts from MClass in SP and Barra Vip's in RJ during the April 2021 lockdown because essentially I had no choice since all the boates and termas were closed by government decree. Yes, I met some great girls online and I am still in touch with 2 of them, but I also had a few sessions with girls that I would not have chosen if I had met them in a club. This critical issue does not arise with boate and terma girls because of the obvious fact that you can flirt with any of the girls you are physically attracted to without any pressure before deciding to ask them upstairs or to go to your hotel. This is the optimal way to do things unless there is some other factor like a lack of infrastructure ie brick and mortar bars and clubs to find sexy accommodating girls which is definitely not the case in SP or RJ.
So enjoy the ambience of a great brothel / nightclub. Scandallo is both. And I think you will find that by selecting a girl to your specific liking from a eye to eye, face to face, lip to lips, friendly audition is not only fun, but the best way to find whatever it is that you are looking for. Search the forum for all the Scandallo reports. I don't think you will find one negative post.
Then after a couple nights at Scandallo I recommend you try some other boates, but only if you can tear yourself away from Scandallo. LOL. Bomboa is my 2nd favorite Boate in SP. It is very different from Scandallo. So you should probably check it out just for comparison sake. It is a friendly neighborhood boate and Bombao girls are very friendly and the atmosphere is conducive to having a relaxed good time. Casarao Augusta would be my 3rd recommendation especially for late night trysts and Cafe Photo would be 4th choice.
Have a great time on your trip and be sure to post a trip report.
I'm traveling to SP from US for work and I've been going through this forum and I'm undecided. I had been browsing Saopaoloescortguide and they sent me a couple options. I'm pretty selective and can't stand when girls don't look like their pictures so I'm looking for the best way to get a top tier companion. I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. Last time I went to brothel was in Barcelona and it was a very pushy experience and I did not like it. I prefer an upscale and clean environment where I can take my time and identify one who speaks to me who fits my mood for appearance that day. Happy to take any input for a Brazil newbie so I can make the most of my time when I'm not working.Your best bet is going to Scandallo later at night. There is some top escort talent in Sao Paulo, but it takes time and patience researching in an unfamiliar language to sort out who are the top performers. Most foreign men get tripped up by seeing some great on-line photos of a model. Either the girl you meet isn't the model or was that girl ten years and twenty pounds ago. Not to mention the escort might not deliver what she promised.
I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. I went to both this week, and Scandallo was the better experience by far. The girls at Cafe Photo (1515) were decent looking, but nobody was there who wow'd me. They also don't have rooms on site, so you need to take the girl elsewhere. In terms of pushy behavior, the one girl I spoke to said they were not allowed to talk to a customer unless the customer initiated / called them over. The cover was 350 R if I recall correctly, which felt like a lot given the lineup. One concern I had was they asked for my fingerprint to get in, and had I known that in advance I never would have went, but given that I was already there and my brain wasn't doing the driving, I went along with it.
Scandallo charges 400 R entry, has rooms on site, and has far more girls. They also require the girls to check their phones in while in the club for customer privacy, which is a nice touch. My first visit to Scandallo I wasn't planning on doing anything because of the prices, but once I was there I ended up taking a girl upstairs. I've been back three times now, and in my experience its the one place where you are all but guaranteed to find any type of girl. Nobody at Scandallo was pushy, though some women did approach me unsolicited so either they don't have that same rule, or the girls are more willing to break it given the size of the club.
In terms of value, I mostly hit up the Clinicas during the day. An hour with a good looking girl can be had for 180-250 R, you really can't beat it. Obviously quality can be hit or miss, but I've seen many women in the Clinicas who were better looking than all the girls at Cafe Photo. Though in their defense, I only went the one time and it was quiet, so maybe it was not their best lineup. In closing, I'd say at Scandallo you're going to find whatever you're looking for, but you're probably going to overpay for it a bit. The girls mostly ask in the 1,000 R range, though many can be had for less. 800 R is probably the most you should pay, though some will ask for as much as 2,000 R. I don't go out at night a ton, but if I do its mostly to Scandallo.
Gabbarsing
07-14-22, 00:07
So I forget to mentioned when I posted my report from my last trip to SP / Scandello.
I met this tall thin girl and we really hit with each other (or at least she did a good job acting like it) and she told me that this is her first day and she is very new to this. I was going with the flow. I asked her to have a session. She was like "I am not sure if she is ready" and then we had few more drinks and she finally said how much would you pay for in-house session. I literally said - "I can pay 6 or 7" and of course I meant 600-700. (more on this later) - she said "let's go with 7" so we went to the room and had our session.
NOW is the ODD PART.
I paid her 700 and she said, no she meant 7000 - and I am like WTF. I told her, that's something unheard of and no one will pay you that price, not even in USA. So she stared doing drama and soft-crying and shit. I felt bad but she was like not you cheated me and blah blah blah.
Was wondering anyone faced this sorta odd experiences in Scandello?
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07-14-22, 05:30
Snip.
NOW is the ODD PART.
I paid her 700 and she said, no she meant 7000 - and I am like WTF. I told her, that's something unheard of and no one will pay you that price, not even in USA. So she stared doing drama and soft-crying and shit. I felt bad but she was like not you cheated me and blah blah blah.
Was wondering anyone faced this sorta odd experiences in Scandello?
SnipDid she accept it or you had to go to management? Did they support you?
Jimmy Boy 99
07-14-22, 06:03
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UniversalX
07-14-22, 07:06
The girls at Cafe Photo (1515) were decent looking, but nobody was there who wow'd me. One concern I had was they asked for my fingerprint to get in, and had I known that in advance I never would have went, but given that I was already there and my brain wasn't doing the driving, I went along with it.ID is one thing, Fingerprints to me is a little too much. Anyone else experience this? What if you declined and walked away would they reconsider and try to get you to patronize instead of loosing 350 R?
SamaRiding
07-14-22, 09:25
I'm traveling to SP from US for work and I've been going through this forum and I'm undecided. I had been browsing Saopaoloescortguide and they sent me a couple options. I'm pretty selective and can't stand when girls don't look like their pictures so I'm looking for the best way to get a top tier companion. I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. Last time I went to brothel was in Barcelona and it was a very pushy experience and I did not like it. I prefer an upscale and clean environment where I can take my time and identify one who speaks to me who fits my mood for appearance that day. Happy to take any input for a Brazil newbie so I can make the most of my time when I'm not working.Scandallo also.
If you want a daytime place, try a high end clinica like lotus lounge. It's tablet based presentation of pics of the girls but pics are pretty accurate. And there is some quality control.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2643920&highlight=Lotus+lounge#post2643920.
Hey fellas,
Long time lurker, first time poster here. I want to plan a trip to Brazil sometime early next year. I wanted to know if as a first timer going to Brazil would SP be the best option or Rio or some other place for that matter. I've been liking what I've read here so far, so I'm leaning towards SP. Any help would be appreciated.
Gabbarsing
07-14-22, 15:31
Did she accept it or you had to go to management? Did they support you?She accepted it but she was like "you should be happy that I am not reporting to the security" - By that time it was my 4th night at the club and they knew I am just a happy monger. But still she was trying to show me tht "stick" to persuade me to pay 7000. I was sure in my head that no matter what, I ain't paying that girl 7000.
Hey fellas,
Long time lurker, first time poster here. I want to plan a trip to Brazil sometime early next year. I wanted to know if as a first timer going to Brazil would SP be the best option or Rio or some other place for that matter. I've been liking what I've read here so far, so I'm leaning towards SP. Any help would be appreciated.Next year? You got 6+ months to read this forum then.
ID is one thing, Fingerprints to me is a little too much. Anyone else experience this? What if you declined and walked away would they reconsider and try to get you to patronize instead of loosing 350 R?I've been to Photo during Formula 1 last year when the cream of the crop shows up but the girls inside were disappointing so I never went back.
Fingerprint is to invasive, imagine a data breach?
At Scandallo they ask Brazilians for their RG, national ID which is invasive also. If you are a gringo, the cashiers have no idea what is a Real ID or not.
Brasilophile
07-14-22, 18:38
Good afternoon, galera! After much time reading this board I have finally decided to post and share, gradually, some of my experiences over the last 17 (years. I am 56 year-old person and I visited Brazil for the first time at the age of 4. I just spent the the entire month (4 weeks) of June in SP (two weeks), Rio (one weeks) and one week in a small town in the interior of SP. (This week had nothing to do with working girls, only friendships because I lived in this small Brazilian town for five years).
I have many experiences to share from last month's visit and hope. If I do not lose interest. To share some of the past experiences.
Where did I indulge myself this past month?
1st week Sao Paulo - (1) once at Casarao (my first night in the country despite being tired. I could not resist). 400 reais for one hour with a rocking, short Baiana. Their performances are usually reliably.
Enthusiastic. I was certain to ask her what her restrictions were. What she did and didn't do and if she did sexo oral sem preservativo.
- (2) twice with a high-end twitter girl I had made contact with while in the States; this had to be arranged via WhatsApp and proved a big hassle as she wanted a "sinal' (deposit) before.
Scheduling a visit. The scheduling turned out to be BIG hassle. Most Americans will not deal with the deposit and I do not intend to do it ever again. Too much risk. But this girl was.
Spectacularly sexy. A unique mix of white, black (not really a mulata though), and indigena. From her twitter account I had reasonable confidence in her but it was a hassle because.
I do not have a CPF, PIX, PayPal, none of these things. But she gave me her real name, her CPF, and other banking data (is this safe for her?) and I was able to make the deposit, in.
Person, in cash, by visiting a casa loterica. She was very expensive and I really had a good time. But 1,000 reais for two hours is not necessary to have good time. Still, I am smitten.
With her and saw her more later in the trip. I am a little reluctant to put her name here because I am smitten with her.
- another twitter girl (Mel More) 600 reais for two hours. She is quite cooperative and flexible and almost ravished me. She initiates everything you can think of I also saw here again later.
On. Within 4 o minutes of making contact via WhatsApp, I was in her apartment in Bela Vista.
I have never been to Scandallo which dominates the conversations here. I may not ever go. In the past I have spent time in some trash boates in Sao Paulo and had a great time. My Portuguese is terrible BUT I speak more Portuguese than 90 percent of the other American in the country. Why? Because I lived in Brazil for a total of five years. Maybe later, I will post about the week in Rio (I picked one girl from Mab's (400 are for one hour. Too much really, one girl in 4 X 4, and two at Onix terapias in Centro. (This was GREAT value; I loved the girls, paid 200 reais for one hour each time) but I really do not like choosing from a line-up. I like the interaction of 4 X 4 or a boate.
More information later about the 4 girls in Rio mentioned above plus the last week in SP.
Brasilophile
07-15-22, 01:01
Forgive all the grammatical and punctuation errors in the post. My first here. Below. I was writing it on a very small device but still feel embarrassed by how it came out. Next time it will be more careful now that see how texts get reproduced.
Here's a little about my the second week of my recent rip. This was in Rio de Janeiro. Some of the second week was compromised by a VERY bad cold I got, probably from the high-end twitter girl who I did not name. (While I was with her those two times of the first week she she had use a decongestant at least I can remember. A month later, I still have little bit of a cough.
So, I traveled to Rio by bus from Sao Paulo. Why? I want to save my money for other things. It worked out well because I book one of these buses where you can lie down completely. I really liked it, even for a a 6-hour tip. I will do it again. To save money. I was met at the Rio bus station station by a female friend of mine. She is NOT a working girl and we did several things together in Rio. It is not a romantice relationship.
I went to 4 X 4 for my first session. The lady at the desk, who speaks excellent English, always remembers me. It was in the afternoon. Which I actually prefer. Less selection but I generally find someone I like. I went with a blonde with fake boobs. I actually like fake boobs; they scream "working girl". And a curvy butt which was well muscled. (Not that that turns me on). She was fine in the room. At 56, two things now bother me physically. I can always get it up (NO need for Viagra, Cialis, etc) but I tire more easily and have trouble coming with a condom. But I still enjoy myself.
A few nights later, I picked up a statuesque mulata named Suelen at Mab's. I actually spent a lot of time at Mab's every evening talking with some guys I met but I had little inclination to pick someone up. In that short tight dress she looked spectacular. In my apartment she was fine but I was disappointed by the tattoo on her lower back. This turns me off big time. I should have asked, right, if it's so important? 400 R As I said in my previous post, I always ask the girl what are her restrictions, what does she do, what does she not do. These are open-ended questions. Then I ask about sexo oral sem preservativo. I actually prefer the word preservativo to camisinha. It seems more formal but I enjoy the politeness of the word.
Between my cold and doing touristy things, alone and with my Brazilian friend, I only did two other girls. Both at Onix Terapias on Rio Branco in Centro. Their photos are on the Onix website. Everyone of those girls pictured are really there! One was Isis. A very pretty mulata with long black hair, fine features, beautiful smile and dark, dark skin. She was great. The only negative was that she seemed to have lost her marquinhas. I almost have a fetish for these marquinhas minisculas. Again, a VERY pretty girl. 200 reais each time a Onix. I consider this great value. The only negative is that I can not get to know the girl beforehand which is always better. Also, I do not like knowing the girl basically has to go with the guy who picks her. My feelings about this are mixed but I know that I am clean, polite, and thoughtful in the room. But is every huy?
The other girl at Nix was Karen. Wholly moley! Very young, wonderfully big and round butt (with the greatest tanlines on it). The anticipation of the doggy position was almost too much. She was a little timid in the room but I still reatly enjoyed. Out in the foyer, I complimented her body and tanlines to the tia at the front desk.
Oh yeah, you're moving like a pro in Brazil. Like Tom Jobim, the great song writer once said: Brazil is not a country for beginners.
Your story took me to the place. Congrats.
LOL.
Good afternoon, galera! After much time reading this board I have finally decided to post and share, gradually, some of my experiences over the last 17 (years. I am 56 year-old person and I visited Brazil for the first time at the age of 4. I just spent the the entire month (4 weeks) of June in SP (two weeks), Rio (one weeks) and one week in a small town in the interior of SP. (This week had nothing to do with working girls, only friendships because I lived in this small Brazilian town for five years).
I have many experiences to share from last month's visit and hope. If I do not lose interest. To share some of the past experiences.
Where did I indulge myself this past month?
1st week Sao Paulo - (1) once at Casarao (my first night in the country despite being tired. I could not resist). 400 reais for one hour with a rocking, short Baiana. Their performances are usually reliably.
Enthusiastic. I was certain to ask her what her restrictions were. What she did and didn't do and if she did sexo oral sem preservativo..
Of course having great sex is the main course, but sometimes I enjoy going out from the menu.
I purchased many girl's underwear, right there in the Sao Paulo and other Brazilian night clubs. All of them, Cafe Photo, Bomboa, Scandallo, Sky Bar, Real Priv, Casanova, Class Club, etc etc.
I used to drink much more during hunting nights, and sorry, I lose control and I start making proposals to the girls. "Hey, can I buy your underwear?" . Most of them look at me and say "you're just crazy" (Voc um safadooo) and I go on with the proposal. What about BRL 50? Some accept, some don't, so my bet doubles. What about are BRL 100 ? Most accept. Yesssss. Then the girl goes to the bathroom and brings her underwear and gives it to my hand under the table. Most love it and they want to be taken upstairs, so the game goes on.
BRL50 more and you let me touch you. Oh yeah, I touched lots of clits right there in the clubs under the praying eyes of other girls and mongers. Some girls asked me to wash hands before doing it, so bathroom, soap (tip to the candy guy in the bathroom) then I go back to them. Wet cold fingers under those skirts and they react like "ahhhh that's cold! KKKKKKKK (LOL) too late honey, four fingers in your pussy. Of course I took many of them upstairs to complete the masturbation in the room.
I don't care if my dick is short or long. My mind is twisted. Girls love it and I love their great asses.
Here a few of those lovely underwear from my shopping time.
Note: I also have tiny bikinis, black stockings, bras, etc etc LOL. There is nothing wrong with it, it's a free world, right?
Clinica Kahunas.
Rua Bartolomeu de Gusmao 147.
Metro stop: Vila Mariana 6 minute walk.
Rang the bell and was greeted by a sweet short old lady who promptly brings me to the waiting room.
They have about 5 garotas according to the video on a loop. Each garota has a themed costume.
She had to make a phone call to the garotas as I did not get a presentation other than one garota on her way to the waiting client.
I picked and repeated with one thin and tatted short haired garota. Lite skin.
She gave an awesome massage with hot oil and massage beads included with BBBJ.
Although she upcharge me 100 reales for CFS. It was the massage that got me back the second time.
She gave me her business card (Estetica-Beleza-Massoterapia) with her real name E. Are. , Monday-Saturday com hora marcada 'them domicilio e empresas I forgot her artistic name but I highly recommend her masssage and HJ or BBBJ.
On the Next visit they gave me a shot of cachaca on the house after having to wait for the master bedroom and my garota (which name I forgot).
As I waited the another receptionist gave me a quick 10 min massage on the professional chair in the waiting room.
Clnica Kin Center. Tv. Libera Rivelino, 210, Brooklin Novo.
Metro stop: Brooklin a 10 minute walk.
I visited twice and finally saw a loira with a killer bundao and tits to match.
She was on the last presentation and I never let her hand go.
In fact a customer came in after I paid and specifically ask for her.
Let me tell you it pays to visit twice because you never know what your missing.
She has a very interesting two hand tantric dick massage. Super deepthroat and delicious lips.
Her name is "DriAhhhh" short for Adriana.
Finally A bucket list. Checked-off.
40 gg-24-38 loira from Paraguay. Gabby or Gabriela.
After a month in Brazil I could not speak proper Spanglish to communicate.
Such a beauty that made me miss my flight to the States.
Can't think of a better place to get trap!
Clinica Prime. Av. Irai, 511, Moema.
Or it could be Miruna I can't remember, in fact did I mention she made me miss my flight!
She also saved me money from flying to Paraguay!
Of course having great sex is the main course, but sometimes I enjoy going out from the menu.
I purchased many girl's underwear, right there in the Sao Paulo and other Brazilian night clubs. All of them, Cafe Photo, Bomboa, Scandallo, Sky Bar, Real Priv, Casanova, Class Club, etc etc.
I used to drink much more during hunting nights, and sorry, I lose control and I start making proposals to the girls. "Hey, can I buy your underwear?" . Most of them look at me and say "you're just crazy" (Voc um safadooo) and I go on with the proposal. What about BRL 50? Some accept, some don't, so my bet doubles. What about are BRL 100 ? Most accept. Yesssss. Then the girl goes to the bathroom and brings her underwear and gives it to my hand under the table. Most love it and they want to be taken upstairs, so the game goes on.
BRL50 more and you let me touch you. Oh yeah, I touched lots of clits right there in the clubs under the praying eyes of other girls and mongers. Some girls asked me to wash hands before doing it, so bathroom, soap (tip to the candy guy in the bathroom) then I go back to them. Wet cold fingers under those skirts and they react like "ahhhh that's cold! KKKKKKKK (LOL) too late honey, four fingers in your pussy. Of course I took many of them upstairs to complete the masturbation in the room.LOL this is too funny! It reminds me of an experience I had in Porto Alegre hahaha! Starts about three quarters of the way down in this post:
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Person, in cash, by visiting a casa loterica. She was very expensive and I really had a good time. But 1,000 reais for two hours is not necessary to have good time. Still, I am smitten.
With her and saw her more later in the trip. I am a little reluctant to put her name here because I am smitten with her.Nothing personal, but even if you got back down there for Christmas she will have hooked-up with 100 plus guys. These girls need to make money. It might as well be one of the guys here.
Hahahahaha that's great writing Mr. Cane. I enjoyed all the story and I my imagination took me to that club where you went shopping. Girls do their best to make few bucks during slow nights.
Pushy girls in Brazil tend to have this hot sense of humor, trying to get what they want. Fortunately most clubs in Brazil tell the girls to avoid over doing it, and high end clubs they are forbiden to.
Lovely pic of the gaucha. Gaucha, the white garota from the south, they sometimes call them "branquelas" for whities. Yes, population in the south tends to be less afro. I must go there again, starting from the very bottom of Brazil in Porto Alegre.
I made a very detailed scouting one year before the 2014 World Cup. Yes, all the cities where there was going to be soccer matches. Mongering information was 50% of the goal from that trip.
Fortunately I went to Brazil again a few times since then. The years I could not travel to Brazil, I brought my own girls for my personal pleasure to my city. It costs $$$ but my time is more expensive when work does not let me travel.
Is this the area of the forum to post pics? Or I can only do it in the photo gallery area? I'm kind of new in this version of the forum. I used to have a user back in 2005, or even sooner I believe.
Note: all pics from one single model from Southern Brazil. Again, talent release on file, so no worries. Feel free to ask me.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2720110]LOL this is too funny! It reminds me of an experience I had in Porto Alegre hahaha! Starts about three quarters of the way down in this post:
Brasilophile
07-16-22, 01:04
Wyatt Earp said:
Nothing personal, but even if you got back down there for Christmas she will have hooked-up with 100 plus guys. These girls need to make money. It might as well be one of the guys here.
You are exactly right. Probably 200 by Christmas based on what I know about her. After 6 sessions in June and the conversations with her. She's on vacation in Para at the moment and we exchange messages. But she's a real go-getter when it comes to drumming up business. I am one of her rare Americans but she is quite skilled at saying the right thing in the initial WhatsApp contacts that gets them to pay that high price (It's called manipulation, right /) plus her beauty, and she delivers.
I have been with about 100 GP's in Brazil over the years but I have never met anyone quite like her. Personality-wise. I may see her in September but I am thinking I need to stay away (from her).
By the way, Wyatt Earp, I have always enjoyed your posts.
Lovely pic of the gaucha. Gaucha, the white garota from the south, they sometimes call them "branquelas" for whities. Yes, population in the south tends to be less afro. I must go there again, starting from the very bottom of Brazil in Porto Alegre. Is this the area of the forum to post pics? Or I can only do it in the photo gallery area? I'm kind of new in this version of the forumThis one I met at the old Cafe Photo. When we were in the room, she said what I understood as her declaring herself to be my "branquita" (or little white girl), and further that "her little white girl asshole was for me" LOLOLOL! You can post a picture pretty much wherever you'd like to.
Again, these Tiers are based on my subjective evaluations after having visited Scandallo at least 50 times in the post-covid era in October / November 2021 & April / May 2022. One thing is clear: I really like the joint. The only other bordello that rates as highly in my mind is a joint called Malioboro / Malio Club in Jakarta.
Malio Malboro and Alexius. Alexius ah the memories, upper level. Damn a guy could choose a deep lineup there. It was the UN and Dubai of chicas lineups. Russians, Vietnam, Thai, Ukraine, Chinese, Indonesian, Filipinas, Singapore without ever leaving the place.
On to São Paulo and first visit to Scandallo next week.
Brasilophile
07-16-22, 16:02
What do you think of these raffles some of these girls put on? Would you purchase a ticket?
My favorite girl is doing a raffle right now and through my cinteractions with her I have observed some funny and / or sad behaviour.
Background: My favorite girl charges an expensive R600 for one hour and R1000 for two hours. This scares off a lot of Brazilian men (of course) but she gets it and works steadily. This is the background.
So, she sets up a raffle to see 100 tickets. She's a whiz at this computer / internet stuff and the guys clik into a site and do most of the choosing numbers and paying on their own. There will be two winners. Each will receive a 2-hour "encontro" with her. (By the way, she detests the word "programa", along with the words "cliente. " As innocent as I am, I though: Okay, if she sells each ticket for R20 she will earn her usual fee, stands a good chance of selling all 100 spots, and it builds some excitement among her "clientes.). It can be done.
Let's not forget the current financial state in Brazil. All of my Brazilian friends are hurting big-time because of the rising cost of everything. But a few rich ones I know complain but still have not changed their habits. They have a financial cushion, right?
I was floored, floored! When I learned she was selling the tickets at $100 each. Whoa! My initial reactions: What a greedy "cadela" (and I like her). If she sells all 100 tickets that is $R10,000. R10,000!! For two sessions she would get normally get R2000. Can she do it? She has given herself about 2 weeks for the raffle to run because she would like to pull the winners on July 19, her birthday.
Are there 50 rich guys out there who would gladly throw away R100? Maybe another 50 ordinary guys who are so desperate / horny that they will waste R100. Unlike most raffles which are held to benefit a worthy cause, the money is going straight into my favorite girl's pocket. I have read Brazilian men on monger boards complain of girls who seem to think their buceta is made of gold because of the prices many are asking.
Okay: She has been selling for a little over a week. Her birthday is Wednesday. Out of 100 tickets, she has sold 24 tickets of the 100. So, she HAS already exceeded the usual $2000 she would earn for two 2-hour sessions. Will she sell 76 more tickets by Wednesday at R100 a pop? Does it matter to her since she is now in profit? Will she extend to try to sell more tickets? Could this backfire on her and her WhatsApp be filled with complanits?
A note: you can buy as many tickets as you want. If you wanted to buy all 100 you could. One individual guy has bought 12 of those 24 tickets. What the hell? Is this guy a fool? That's $1200 he has spent. He could have WhatsApped her and scheduled his own 2-hour session for less. What if he doesn't win the raffle? Will he be pissed off? But I would not my favorite girl or any other GP to draw blind on the day of the raffle. Who is watching them? They probably know at least half the entrants already and just choose the one they want to go with? In other words, the fix is in from the beginnng.
Could this backfire on her and her WhatsApp be filled with complaints? I think she may extend the deadline of the drawing to sell more tickets even she never sells all 100. She will look generous to the guys for extending the deadline but it also seems to be naked avarice.
Stay tuned for the results.
I personally would never gamble.
What do you think of these raffles some of these girls put on? Would you purchase a ticket?
My favorite girl is doing a raffle right now and through my cinteractions with her I have observed some funny and / or sad behaviour.
Background: My favorite girl charges an expensive R600 for one hour and R1000 for two hours. This scares off a lot of Brazilian men (of course) but she gets it and works steadily. This is the background.
So, she sets up a raffle to see 100 tickets. She's a whiz at this computer / internet stuff and the guys clik into a site and do most of the choosing numbers and paying on their own. There will be two winners. Each will receive a 2-hour "encontro" with her. (By the way, she detests the word "programa", along with the words "cliente. " As innocent as I am, I though: Okay, if she sells each ticket for R20 she will earn her usual fee, stands a good chance of selling all 100 spots, and it builds some excitement among her "clientes.). It can be done.
Let's not forget the current financial state in Brazil. All of my Brazilian friends are hurting big-time because of the rising cost of everything. But a few rich ones I know complain but still have not changed their habits. They have a financial cushion, right?
I was floored, floored! When I learned she was selling the tickets at $100 each. Whoa! My initial reactions: What a greedy "cadela" (and I like her). If she sells all 100 tickets that is $R10,000. R10,000!! For two sessions she would get normally get R2000. Can she do it? She has given herself about 2 weeks for the raffle to run because she would like to pull the winners on July 19, her birthday.
Are there 50 rich guys out there who would gladly throw away R100? Maybe another 50 ordinary guys who are so desperate / horny that they will waste R100. Unlike most raffles which are held to benefit a worthy cause, the money is going straight into my favorite girl's pocket. I have read Brazilian men on monger boards complain of girls who seem to think their buceta is made of gold because of the prices many are asking.
Okay: She has been selling for a little over a week. Her birthday is Wednesday. Out of 100 tickets, she has sold 24 tickets of the 100. So, she HAS already exceeded the usual $2000 she would earn for two 2-hour sessions. Will she sell 76 more tickets by Wednesday at R100 a pop? Does it matter to her since she is now in profit? Will she extend to try to sell more tickets? Could this backfire on her and her WhatsApp be filled with complanits?
A note: you can buy as many tickets as you want. If you wanted to buy all 100 you could. One individual guy has bought 12 of those 24 tickets. What the hell? Is this guy a fool? That's $1200 he has spent. He could have WhatsApped her and scheduled his own 2-hour session for less. What if he doesn't win the raffle? Will he be pissed off? But I would not my favorite girl or any other GP to draw blind on the day of the raffle. Who is watching them? They probably know at least half the entrants already and just choose the one they want to go with? In other words, the fix is in from the beginnng.
Could this backfire on her and her WhatsApp be filled with complaints? I think she may extend the deadline of the drawing to sell more tickets even she never sells all 100. She will look generous to the guys for extending the deadline but it also seems to be naked avarice.
Stay tuned for the results.
Axel Heyst
07-17-22, 12:29
Malio Malboro and Alexius. Alexius ah the memories, upper level. Damn a guy could choose a deep lineup there. It was the UN and Dubai of chicas lineups. Russians, Vietnam, Thai, Ukraine, Chinese, Indonesian, Filipinas, Singapore without ever leaving the place.
On to So Paulo and first visit to Scandallo next week.Hey Tochka,
Yeah, Hotel Alexus was my other favorite high end Jakarta bordello along with Malioboro / Malio Club. I loved Hotel Alexus for the quantity and quality of their pretty, young, Indonesian girls, but I also occasionally went for the somewhat older (mid 20's) attractive Viet girls they had on hand as well.
Unfortunately Hotel Alexus was shut down by the local authorities in 2018 for having a few underage Indonesian girls on the menu. Too bad. But the same group quickly opened up another high end place called The Pool at 1001 Hotel to take Hotel Alexus's place. 1001 was larger and a little more glitzy, but basically it was the same concept. And in the same building but with a different entrance they had the Colosseum Club which was a great late nightclub pickup place.
I have not heard if Pool 1001 or the Colosseum Club are open for business. It would be a tremendous loss to Jakarta nightlife if they were closed permanently. I know that Emporium, the group's mid level bordello, did close down for good thanks to Covid which was a real loss. I loved Emporium. In relation to Hotel Alexus or Pool 1001, Emporium was sort of like the relationship between Scandallo & Connection.
In a lot of ways Jakarta and SP nightlife are similar in that both cities have sexy, very attractive girls and the scene is kept under wraps behind closed doors unlike BKK, Pattaya, MNL & AC where everything is out there in the open for all to see. You are going to like SP. The girls are great lovers. Have a good time and let us know how you made out.
A. H.
Don't waste time and money on bait and switch online scams. You sound like the type of guy who would like Scandallo:
https://youtu.be/F9wWoM0zaE4
https://youtu.be/YEV51mFxVxo
The only caveat is that the line-up may not be as good as pre-pandemic. But, based on the reports I have read, this is not exclusive to Scandallo. Lineups suffered all over the world, and have not fully recovered yet in most top destinations.You guys are awesome! Just arrived scandello it is.
How many times do we experienced SP BM's have to say this?
Scandallo is a world class bordello. Period. It is a must see / must do kind of place when in SP. If you want to fool around with escorts, have at it. It is your time, your money, and your preference. There are some very attractive escorts, but I for one would rather go out at night and see what SP has to offer than stay cooped up in my hotel room.
The problem you mentioned with escorts, the picture issue, which on the better escort sites is not a question of fake pictures, but occasionally that of photoshopped glam pics and / or out of date pics that do not give a totally accurate view of how the girl looks today in person in real life although she would still be recognizable from her photos so it is not bait & switch.
Thus this is not as big a problem as the issue which arises from not having met the girl before making a date and therefor having no idea what the girl's personality is like or whether you even like her when she knocks on your door. I spent a lot of time with escorts from MClass in SP and Barra Vip's in RJ during the April 2021 lockdown because essentially I had no choice since all the boates and termas were closed by government decree. Yes, I met some great girls online and I am still in touch with 2 of them, but I also had a few sessions with girls that I would not have chosen if I had met them in a club. This critical issue does not arise with boate and terma girls because of the obvious fact that you can flirt with any of the girls you are physically attracted to without any pressure before deciding to ask them upstairs or to go to your hotel. This is the optimal way to do things unless there is some other factor like a lack of infrastructure ie brick and mortar bars and clubs to find sexy accommodating girls which is definitely not the case in SP or RJ.Appreciate you weighing in. This is the same problem in the states so not surprised SP is no different. I'll take the input you guys have to heart and report back!
Anyone know if GRU airport has Bradesco ATM available?
Will be arriving late at night and so wasn't sure if local ATM will be available then.
If anyone wants to meet up, let me know.
Comrades of the sport.
Important to say that, because of pandemics, the best talent had to create ways of income, then sites like: On. F*ns, cafecito, matecito and long list became trend. Talent is making great income, monthly selling content on them. I saw girls making US $5000 and more per month. Now they don't need to do modeling neither go escorts. If you're familiar with them, some models charge from US $50 for 3-4 minutes video showing their tits or doing custom requests. This is insane.
I was in close conversation with an incredible stripper to bring her to my city. She suddenly is making much more money selling online content. She turned down my proposal now I have to look for replacement.
This is one reason talent is lowering in most night clubs all over the world and Sao Paulo is not an exception. 9's and 10's are very very scarse natural resource these days.
From my point of view, these sites are changing the scene more than feminists and government regulations.
Anyone know if GRU airport has Bradesco ATM available?...It's on the second floor by the SUBWAY fast food restaurant. You should be able to find it by looking up while on the first floor.
It's on the second floor by the SUBWAY fast food restaurant. You should be able to find it by looking up while on the first floor.Terminal 2?
Terminal 2?I think it is at T2. There was an old report describing it as on the 3rd floor near Starbucks but I didn't find it. I found it by looking up the mezzanine level (not exactly the second level) by walking on the first floor.
Anyone know if GRU airport has Bradesco ATM available?
Will be arriving late at night and so wasn't sure if local ATM will be available then.
If anyone wants to meet up, let me know.Got my card cloned there many years ago, never went back.
I'm traveling to SP from US for work and I've been going through this forum and I'm undecided. I had been browsing Saopaoloescortguide and they sent me a couple options. I'm pretty selective and can't stand when girls don't look like their pictures so I'm looking for the best way to get a top tier companion. I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. Last time I went to brothel was in Barcelona and it was a very pushy experience and I did not like it. I prefer an upscale and clean environment where I can take my time and identify one who speaks to me who fits my mood for appearance that day. Happy to take any input for a Brazil newbie so I can make the most of my time when I'm not working.Better off with the clubs, Scandallo or Bomboa are my recommendations for the premium feel.
Online blind dates from the 'premium' escort websites are too much of a hassle and waste of time in SP. On my recent trip I was quoted $500 - 1500/ h plus taxi fare, and virtually all wanted a deposit. Surprisingly they will readily share unsolicited personal details, including bank account number to facilitate the transfer. Some even wanted photo or video, ID verification, and that kind of crap.
Totally unnecessary in a city where you're spoiled for choices.
If you need to use an ATM at GRU, use the ATMs located in the baggage area before customs (terminal 3). Not familiar with terminal 2 arrivals. Do not use the ATMs outside security. Almost a guarantee your card will be skimmed.
If you need to use an ATM at GRU, use the ATMs located in the baggage area before customs (terminal 3). Not familiar with terminal 2 arrivals. Do not use the ATMs outside security. Almost a guarantee your card will be skimmed.I arrived SP 0330 am flight. One observation during the early morning hours. I saw the ATMs at GRU baggage claim, the ones upstairs on mezzanine level and outside security. One observation during the early morning sleepy hours. I changed cash at the cambio inside of baggage claim. I was the third customer in a very long ass line of people from the flight. It seemed many passengers on the flight preferred not to use the ATMs at the GRU airport. Only reporting my small observations as newbie to SP.
Off to Prime and Maurina, Abbobora.
Because the rate is very bad. Goto bradesco and withdraw.
I arrived SP 0330 am flight. One observation during the early morning hours. I saw the ATMs at GRU baggage claim, the ones upstairs on mezzanine level and outside security. One observation during the early morning sleepy hours. I changed cash at the cambio inside of baggage claim. I was the third customer in a very long ass line of people from the flight. It seemed many passengers on the flight preferred not to use the ATMs at the GRU airport. Only reporting my small observations as newbie to SP.
Off to Prime and Maurina, Abbobora.
Honest report from SP. I've been debating whether to post this because some posters here have strong opinions, please don't throw rocks at me.
Prime: was too busy when I got there and was ignored by the receptionist and all the girls were busy flirting with their regulars during presentations. Only 1 girl gave me the seductive look, but seeing that the wait for the room would be long and I hated the feeling of being singled out. I left.
Lotus Longue: this place always had very limited selection even though the woman on Whatsapp guaranteed there was more at the time I arrived. Picked Verona and that was a mistake. She gave rushed service, stalled in the tub, light kisses, and tried to upcharge me.
Scandello: was what salvaged my trip. It wasn't filled with talents like I had imagined. It was actually time consuming to find someone to my liking and some days I almost left empty handed. Did see a few 8+ there but they were either occupied by the locals or taken out pretty early. Getting 7's was the best I could do. I'd say 60% of them were 6's, 20% <5, 10% were 7, the rest were either 8+ or fugly. All of them quoted 1000, but immediately accepted 600 for the 6's and 700 for the 7's for 1 hour, that means they could have accepted lower by 100 maybe. This pricing was about 3 months ago. Sessions were mostly good with some IOP, but there were a couple of them with no IOP at all and barely met the definition of GFE.
Overall, my initial expectation was too high, but after adjusting to reality I still had a good time. I should have explored more clinicas.
Nebulousity
07-19-22, 20:50
Prime: was too busy when I got there and was ignored by the receptionist and all the girls were busy flirting with their regulars during presentations. Only 1 girl gave me the seductive look, but seeing that the wait for the room would be long and I hated the feeling of being singled out. I left.Some free advice, as I have returned to Clinicas I get more and more comfortable hanging out and waiting, especially at Tangara. It took a second to get used it (my instinct was previously to come and go as fast as possible) but then I embraced the culture where it's not a big deal to hang out. Taking time at Clinicas and not rushing the choice can result in a great result. Sometimes there are interesting friendly conversations to be had with the others waiting. When all else fails there's often free Wi-Fi. But overall once I grew to enjoy the slow selection it really raised my outcomes.
What day of the week did you go to Scandallo? It makes lot of difference.
Also, time of the year. Want to hear something? Christmas.
Lots of girls leave SP to their home towns and they want to take money for Christmas and reveillon. I've seen solid 9's and 10's those days.
Here an article that may be useful:
https://lfsluts.com/best-days-to-pick-incredible-escorts/
Honest report from SP. I've been debating whether to post this because some posters here have strong opinions, please don't throw rocks at me.
Prime: was too busy when I got there and was ignored by the receptionist and all the girls were busy flirting with their regulars during presentations. Only 1 girl gave me the seductive look, but seeing that the wait for the room would be long and I hated the feeling of being singled out. I left.
Lotus Longue: this place always had very limited selection even though the woman on Whatsapp guaranteed there was more at the time I arrived. Picked Verona and that was a mistake. She gave rushed service, stalled in the tub, light kisses, and tried to upcharge me.
Scandello: was what salvaged my trip. It wasn't filled with talents like I had imagined. It was actually time consuming to find someone to my liking and some days I almost left empty handed. Did see a few 8+ there but they were either occupied by the locals or taken out pretty early. Getting 7's was the best I could do. I'd say 60% of them were 6's, 20% <5, 10% were 7, the rest were either 8+ or fugly. All of them quoted 1000, but immediately accepted 600 for the 6's and 700 for the 7's for 1 hour, that means they could have accepted lower by 100 maybe. This pricing was about 3 months ago. Sessions were mostly good with some IOP, but there were a couple of them with no IOP at all and barely met the definition of GFE.
Overall, my initial expectation was too high, but after adjusting to reality I still had a good time. I should have explored more clinicas.
Honest report from SP. I've been debating whether to post this because some posters here have strong opinions, please don't throw rocks at me.
Prime: was too busy when I got there and was ignored by the receptionist and all the girls were busy flirting with their regulars during presentations. Only 1 girl gave me the seductive look, but seeing that the wait for the room would be long and I hated the feeling of being singled out. I left.
Lotus Longue: this place always had very limited selection even though the woman on Whatsapp guaranteed there was more at the time I arrived. Picked Verona and that was a mistake. She gave rushed service, stalled in the tub, light kisses, and tried to upcharge me.
Scandello: was what salvaged my trip. It wasn't filled with talents like I had imagined. It was actually time consuming to find someone to my liking and some days I almost left empty handed. Did see a few 8+ there but they were either occupied by the locals or taken out pretty early. Getting 7's was the best I could do. I'd say 60% of them were 6's, 20% <5, 10% were 7, the rest were either 8+ or fugly. All of them quoted 1000, but immediately accepted 600 for the 6's and 700 for the 7's for 1 hour, that means they could have accepted lower by 100 maybe. This pricing was about 3 months ago. Sessions were mostly good with some IOP, but there were a couple of them with no IOP at all and barely met the definition of GFE.
Overall, my initial expectation was too high, but after adjusting to reality I still had a good time. I should have explored more clinicas.No rocks but just in reality it is very difficult to build chemistry leading to a good session if you don't speak the language. Google translate is a translation for them to make money and leave. Clinicas may be better because there no chatting just straight to fucking so the language is not as a big of a deal. Glad you didn't pay gringo prices at Scandallo at least.
Like I said before if you want a GFE then you need to treat them like a GF also. This involves time and investment like any GF. Spend like a week with her and see. Try to learn the language and she will gladly help you.
A girl I met 10 years still wants to meet up with me now that she has a normal life.
A girl I met 3 months ago wants me to take her somewhere special for birthday and said I don't need to help her she has money.
A girl I met last month is going with me on a trip next month and there's never any discussion about price.
Getting a GFE bareback on the first day not going to happen, spend a week your odds greatly improves!
Hi,
So with my first Sao Paulo experience in the books, I really have to say it lives up to the hype. I had exactly one had session in my time there, and everything else was somewhere between decent and spectacular. Even as I write this my balls are begging me to go back. My routine was as follows:
Tengara: This place was the best priced, and the quality of the girls didn't suffer for it. On the contrary, two of the best looking girls I sessioned with were found here. Technically I should say three, but the third, Lily who appearance wise was gorgeous and exactly my type, was my single bad experience. With Lily I could tell she was struggling a bit so I tried to go slower / easier, but after 20 minutes of sex she literally said no more and wanted to give me a hand job. For the remaining 40 minutes. I tried to compromise and told her to do a blowjob, which quickly turned into a lazy hand job. After 10 minutes of that I just told her to stop, paid for the hour, and left. Eliza was my all star here, but everyone (well almost) was a good experience.
Prime: This place had some really good looking girls, some of whom I got to spend time with, and some I just saw passing through the reception area. More than once I decided to wait for a girl I saw, only to have someone else catch my interest after sitting for 10-20 minutes. Not one bad session here, and while its more expensive than Tengara, its still cheap by any Western standard. Paloma was probably the best PSE style session on my entire trip, and Angelica was the most passionate. A note about the staff, the blonde lady is awesome and has a great attitude, but the one with the dark hair I wasn't a fan of. I'm pretty sure she kept my change both times she was at the desk, and while it was only 10 R it was annoying. Normally I'd say something, but since I don't speak Portuguese I didn't think it was worth getting into in the event that I was wrong.
Miruna: This one was my least visited clinica, but no complaints. About the same price as Prime, and the same if we count that dark haired woman stealing my 10 R haha. Girls here were slightly less appealing in terms of looks, but certainly not bad, and the service was solid. If you don't find anyone you like at Prime, or you're out earlier in the day, I definitively suggest making your way here.
57 Friends: This one is a bar rather than a clinica, and one of the places I'd go at night. Drinks are expensive by local standards, but not unreasonable, and it had no entry fee. Girls are basically clinica prices, which is nice. My second best session happened here, and I saw several amazing looking women my first day who I wanted to session with. I went back many times, but never saw any of those women again, and the ones I did see were nothing special. My impression is quality is inconsistent, but you have the potential to see some all stars if you catch the right night. I wish I had found one of two more places like this for the rotation. Additionally the staff here are very friendly, which made my unsuccessful visits pleasant.
Bahamas: Another bar, but this one is much more expensive. The entry was 150 R, with some portion of that being consumable. My one warning here is that at some point entry jumps to 300 R, and that felt really unreasonable for the number of girls. I tried this place three times, and while I definitely saw a few knockouts, I never ended up doing anything. The one I almost went upstairs with wanted 800 R, but I was looking for anal at the time, and she wasn't open to it. Paying 800 R isn't terrible, but when you're used to the clinicas its not a very appealing proposition. Additionally I do not like the setup here, as all of the unoccupied girls tend to be clustered in one area. It made it very difficult to browse around without attracting unwanted attention. This is the kind of place where I'll say I won't go back, but my inner optimist will definitely drag me to at least one time on a future trip. Earlier in the day so that I don't get slammed for 300 R.
Cafe Photo: Yet another bar, and the one place I absolutely won't return to. I've heard there are two, so for clarity sake I'm referring to the 1515 address. The first strike was them requiring a fingerprint scan to get in, in addition to ID. I wasn't comfortable with it, but I had just wasted 300 R at Bahamas and was frankly desperate for a win. The second strike was the entry, 350 R some portion of which was consumable. The guy at reception told me they had 40 girls working, but unless they were hiding somewhere I'd say it was closer to 20, and neither the volume nor the quality justified the entry fee. Hard pass in the future.
Scandallo: I walked into this place thinking I was just going to sightsee, having already enjoyed many amazing and much better priced clinica experiences. I was wrong. This place is an experience, and an experience I was glad to repeatedly overpay for. In terms of pricing I'd say 800 R is what you should expect to pay, but a few girls that I had a good connection with offered me repeat sessions for less. I also overpaid twice, 1000 R one time and 1500 R another, but both were redheads and both were for anal. In general I got quoted 1000 R a good bit, though only agreed to it those two times. That said I didn't really bother to haggle, if a girl gave me a price I didn't like I just moved on. On future trips I'll definitely make my way back here, though I don't imagine I'll go as often. As great as the experience can be, even a cheap night at Scandallo can run you the same price as 6 or more clinica visits.
So that's it in terms of girls, but I'll close with a few observations that might be useful to newer travelers like myself. Prices for hotels were a lot more than I expected from previous scouting, and I ended up with an Airbnb. It was affordable, but still not cheap. That said I wouldn't waste too much money on lodging, as you really shouldn't be spending much time in it. The only reason I'd consider paying for a high end place is if I had a regular girl I picked up at one of the clubs I wanted to bring back with me, but that's not something you'll know in advance so I'd say don't bother. As far as money goes, definitely don't bring cash and just take it out from the ATMs. Santander Bank is my recommendation as their ATMs have an option to select English, and ATMs in Brazil seem to be quite unreliable so if you get an error message its nice to be able to understand it. Gas station ATMs can also be a good choice, but make sure you don't let them do the currency conversion. My bank converts funds at the market rate, while the ATM tried to use a worse rate and apply a 15% conversion fee. Luckily at most you can decline the fee and it will let your bank process the transaction, though some won't allow you to do this. Lastly some places like Scandallo will let you pay for the girl on a credit card, but keep in mind they will hit you for a 10% fee, so I would say avoid it if possible. That said if you session with a girl or two and a third catches your eye later in the night, its nice to have the option. That's it folks, and thanks to everyone for the information that got me this far.
Sidebar: Unrelated to this forum, but does anyone know the situation in Buenos Aires? The ISG forum points to a separate forum which is a literal ghost town. It's hard for me to imagine that a South American country in a financial crisis doesn't have some good talent available, but for the life of me I don't know where to look.
Honest report from SP. I've been debating whether to post this because some posters here have strong opinions, please don't throw rocks at me.
Scandello: was what salvaged my trip. It wasn't filled with talents like I had imagined. It was actually time consuming to find someone to my liking and some days I almost left empty handed. Did see a few 8+ there but they were either occupied by the locals or taken out pretty early. Getting 7's was the best I could do. I'd say 60% of them were 6's, 20% <5, 10% were 7, the rest were either 8+ or fugly. All of them quoted 1000, but immediately accepted 600 for the 6's and 700 for the 7's for 1 hour, that means they could have accepted lower by 100 maybe. This pricing was about 3 months ago. Sessions were mostly good with some IOP, but there were a couple of them with no IOP at all and barely met the definition of GFE.
Overall, my initial expectation was too high, but after adjusting to reality I still had a good time. I should have explored more clinicas.Nice report!
Never feel the need to apologize of tune your experience narrative to match perceived forum 'expectations'. All opinions and experiences here are personal and highly subjective. For one, I have never found Scandallo to be compelling mongering venue in terms of price, performance, or quality of talent (I rarely see the 9's people keep yapping about. I think maybe the lighting plays tricks with people's judgment).
Steve 9696
07-20-22, 13:28
Thanks Zelezni for the reporting. So valuable to have the boots on the ground perspective. I think it reinforces what I've said about the legendary Scandallo — you don't go for the girls, you go for the experience. Pretty girls everywhere u might go in SP. But Tangara is a bit like Motel 6 and Scandallo the JW Marriot. Both are awesome depending on your needs and budget. And Id fuck a hottie at Motel 6 - no question. The towels just won't be as nice. LOL.
Regarding Baires (several girls called Buenos Aires that so I guess it's the lingo) the Seeking Arrangements scene has some top hotties if you are willing to do the work. And if you are like a lot of guys once you have dipped in the Seeking pond and had true (apparent) romance, it's hard to go back to straight P4 P. My Baires experience is found here. http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2679316&highlight=Seeking+buenos#post2679316. I guess I have two posts on that page. One compares Medellin and SP to Baires. But go down a couple posts to Baires Sweet Success for a more detailed Baires specific post.
Another member I am in touch with also did Seeking in Baires with good results. Otherwise the club and local scene bites IMO.
DonMedellin
07-20-22, 15:30
does anyone know the situation in Buenos Aires? Thanks for your report, for sure the infor you provided will benefit so many of us, myself included. I am also curious about how it is in Buenos Aires because AR is one of the countries that I really want to visit but never had the chance. Info on Buenos Aires is very limited too. I've bet a few Argentine girls in Cancun and really enjoyed my time with them. If anyone has intel on BA, please share.
Axel Heyst
07-20-22, 17:32
Honest report from SP. I've been debating whether to post this because some posters here have strong opinions, please don't throw rocks at me.
Prime: was too busy when I got there and was ignored by the receptionist and all the girls were busy flirting with their regulars during presentations. Only 1 girl gave me the seductive look, but seeing that the wait for the room would be long and I hated the feeling of being singled out. I left.
Lotus Longue: this place always had very limited selection even though the woman on Whatsapp guaranteed there was more at the time I arrived. Picked Verona and that was a mistake. She gave rushed service, stalled in the tub, light kisses, and tried to upcharge me.
Scandello: was what salvaged my trip. It wasn't filled with talents like I had imagined. It was actually time consuming to find someone to my liking and some days I almost left empty handed. Did see a few 8+ there but they were either occupied by the locals or taken out pretty early. Getting 7's was the best I could do. I'd say 60% of them were 6's, 20% <5, 10% were 7, the rest were either 8+ or fugly. All of them quoted 1000, but immediately accepted 600 for the 6's and 700 for the 7's for 1 hour, that means they could have accepted lower by 100 maybe. This pricing was about 3 months ago. Sessions were mostly good with some IOP, but there were a couple of them with no IOP at all and barely met the definition of GFE.
Overall, my initial expectation was too high, but after adjusting to reality I still had a good time. I should have explored more clinicas.Thanks for posting. It is always good to read a fresh perspective on familiar venues. As Hobbying pointed out, the time of arrival can influence initial perceptions.
Prime Clinica is a good case in point. I like to arrive kind of early, so I hopefully select a fresh girl and do not have to wait for a room. I do not like waiting.
I have never been to Lotus Lounge. It has gotten some good reviews on ISG and some of their girls on their website look pretty hot. But I don't like the idea of selecting a girl from her pics. I prefer to size them up in person. In any case I would not have chosen Verona. Her face is good, but I usually prefer thinner, Ha Ha, and natural ta ta's. Desirée is more to my liking (based on the pics). But your report was a good one. I will keep in mind although Lotus Lounge is still on my to do list. What the hell. KKK. I am willing to take shot if the girl is attractive enough and I have nothing better to do some afternoon.
I liked you Scandallo report, but again, the time and day of your arrival will affect your experiences. Prime time Thursday night there are possibly as many as 20 to 30 tier 1 girls on hand. Tier 1 being really sexy, model or near model quality girls ranging from 7 to 8. 5 stars on my rating scale. Then another 35 to 40 tier two girls. Tier two being sexy girl next door types ranging from 6 to 7 stars. All my tier two girls quoted me 800 to 1000 br and immediately settled for 700 or 800 br. My two tier 1 girls started the offer at 2000 and 2500 br respectively, but both agreed to 1000 and 1200 br without much negotiation on my part. So our experiences roughly correlate. Good reportage.
In retrospect I probably should have made my offer first and this way I might have gotten the two stunners for less, but I don't really care. They looked great and both were memorable in bed. The 1st one, Rafa, the 1000 br girl was my one of my favorites. I did her twice in-house and spent 3+ hours with her the first night and 4+ hours with her in Scandallo the night of the Wesley Safadao concert. Our 3rd get together was at my hotel. I gave her more for that night because she asked. KKK.
Hi,
So with my first Sao Paulo experience in the books, I really have to say it lives up to the hype. I had exactly one had session in my time there, and everything else was somewhere between decent and spectacular. Even as I write this my balls are begging me to go back. My routine was as follows:
Tengara: This place was the best priced, and the quality of the girls didn't suffer for it. On the contrary, two of the best looking girls I sessioned with were found here. Technically I should say three, but the third, Lily who appearance wise was gorgeous and exactly my type, was my single bad experience. With Lily I could tell she was struggling a bit so I tried to go slower / easier, but after 20 minutes of sex she literally said no more and wanted to give me a hand job. For the remaining 40 minutes. I tried to compromise and told her to do a blowjob, which quickly turned into a lazy hand job. After 10 minutes of that I just told her to stop, paid for the hour, and left. Eliza was my all star here, but everyone (well almost) was a good experience.
Argentina has incredible girls, but night clubs like the Brazilians lack of those true beauties. I experienced them in the high end Recoleta neighbor few years ago and all too professional. Pure plastic, cold blooded, prices of drinks and entrance was absurd high. That was my experience. Porteño (guys from Buenos Aires) tend to be very dishonest and shadow people than regular Brazilians. Brazilian people of the night life tend to be clear people. Of course there are criminals as well, but extra caution should be taken in Buenos Aires or Santa Fe to the north.
I sessioned this part time model / escort from Argentinian sites in the neighbor of Caballito. Great soft big young ass, small lovely tits. But sex was mechanic and she was checking time since I entered her apartment. The taxi waited me downstairs and seemed to be familiar with kind of ride I made. Few months later she moved to Santiago de Chile where I found it was "temporary" destination for many argies. Indeed I found argies in a Vitacura Club in Santiago.
Now everything has changed since pandemics, best picks now are online girls selling content in sites like cafecito and matecito where they sell content in Argentinian pesos losing ground day by day, payments by local "mercado pago" no paypal. The way to contact them is as follows. Find her on instagram where they have their link trees, then purchase a membership on cafecito which will open direct messaging to that particular model. The keywords during communication is "Haces encuentros?" (do you do personal meetings? Some don't, some do. And yes, there are true beauties.
There are a dozen of telegram groups for locals exchanging material and profiles of the girls, but there communication is spanish mostly and the flow of information tends to be very messy. I know the clubs where "easy material" argentinians go in Palermo Hollywood area, drop me a message if someone interested.
This should be posted on the Argentina area, but as everyone mention, ISG is dead zone there.
AR is one of the countries that I really want to visit but never had the chance. As someone who felt the exact same way, I wish I was back in Sao Paulo every single day. I'm glad I made the trip, but I could never see coming back again. I might give SA a shot though, and I hope for some positive experience to report on. Some of the old posts suggested Cocodrilo was a good spot, so I may try that as well. Women here are genuinely beautiful, but I haven't had much luck finding any working ones.
I know the clubs where "easy material" argentinians go in Palermo Hollywood area, drop me a message if someone interested.
This should be posted on the Argentina area, but as everyone mention, ISG is dead zone there.Hey Hidden,
I appreciate it, but I think I'm about ready to check out on BA. Seeking just randomly banned my account before I could even message any of the girls haha. Time to gorge myself on steak and write this one off as a loss.
Wayne Roberts
07-21-22, 07:10
I was in Argentina about 6 months before covid hit, and had 3 weeks in BA. The scene is very different to what it used to be. Many of the major venues to find freelancers have closed down. You can see how the activity in the Argentina section of this forum has fallen off a cliff too. Its not what it was 15 years ago, although there are still an endless supply of working girls.
Newport is gone. Hook is gone.
So that leaves:
Strip clubs. More expensive, expect $150-$200 a session. You often have to take them out and then add love motel cost on top. Girls tend to be of very high quality, but its not cheap by SA standards.
Escorts. Large escort scene, and best bet overall for price / quality if you have the time to invest.
Seeking Arrangement and Tinder. If you have a lot of time on the ground, arguably the best anywhere in the world.
Massage shops. They tend to come and go, but generally quality is pretty good and sessions are good too.
I stuck to stripclubs and escorts, and met 2 different girls from Seeking who were legit.
In general, there are a lot of Paraguayans and Uruguayans that ply their trade there too. I do not know what is in the water in Paraguay, some of the women I have had from there have been ridiculous. Given all the border restrictions of late, I am not sure if these girls are going to be around in the same numbers.
The other thing to consider is that the economy is a mess. Thats both good and bad for you as a tourist. Your dollar goes further, but the currency issues often mean that they are just pricing things in dollars anyway so you get no benefit from the exchange rate really. The other massive problem is actually being able to get cash. The ATM's limit what you can draw in local currency, so you really do need to go in with a lot of USD and exchange when you are there. I only went in with about 3 k, and I should have gone in with way more. At the same time the state of the economy has some amazing part timers looking for a bit of extra cash on the side.
My view is that its not great for a short trip unless you are going with people who are well plugged into the circuit as is stands today. If you are looking to spend a month or longer, the longer you stay the better it gets. If you are not a Spanish speaker, a short trip will also be quite tricky.
Guys guys comon. Scandallo. 400 or 500 MAX!! If they don't agree and wants something over then they probably don't like you. If they don't like you then its not worth it. Even if the dollar is 10 reais. We can can get so much for 400-500.
Guys guys comon. Scandallo. 400 or 500 MAX!! If they don't agree and wants something over then they probably don't like you. If they don't like you then its not worth it. Even if the dollar is 10 reais. We can can get so much for 400-500.Despite your claim, the exchange rate absolutely is a relevant consideration. That's the real world reality of the situation on the ground. And an offer of 500 reals is absolutely not competitive for a top hottie at a place like Scandallo given current exchange rates. When the rate was 2 to 1, 500 reals would get you a lower end 6, and 400 reals would get you laughed out of the place! So think about it. But the solution is simple. If you don't want to pay Scandallo prices, then just don't go to Scandallo versus coming here and scolding mongers who do choose to go there about what they pay Scandallo tutes. It's just that simple. Don't fight a losing battle against the system. Don't fight the man. Because nobody is really listening. The clinicas are you! Because you see, just like cars (Buicks, BMWs, and Bentleys), the value of all women is not the same for each and every one of them. You may not think it's worth it to pay that kind of money for that "expensive ride". But, plenty of other people do. And will. I used to say the same thing about air travel too. First Class / Business Class isn't worth it. I'm flying on the same damn plane going to the same damn place and paying so much less riding back here! Well, after I flew Business Class for the first time, there was no happily going back to Coach Class ever again! Now, I'm not one of these guys who thinks I'm getting more just because I'm paying more, especially when it comes to pussy. But, I do know how to recognize what represents value and worth to me. So, count me in at Scandallo! With current exchange rates always being taken into consideration! Hell, even if you're sticking to the clinicas or wherever you're going overseas you should do that! What is the value of your currency in the market where you want to purchase a good or service? That's the way the real world works. Not that all pussy is only worth 500 reals max, and that's it! There are other factors that must be taken into consideration, including the current exchange rate.
DarkSide0127
07-21-22, 13:41
Thanks for writing such an elegant and accurate review. All you'e said is true. Scandallo is a masterpiece and never fails. Pries R500 to R1500 depending on what your'e looking for and how you 'connect'.
Hi,
So with my first Sao Paulo experience in the books, I really have to say it lives up to the hype. I had exactly one had session in my time there, and everything else was somewhere between decent and spectacular. Even as I write this my balls are begging me to go back. My routine was as follows:
Tengara: This place was the best priced, and the quality of the girls didn't suffer for it. On the contrary, two of the best looking girls I sessioned with were found here. Technically I should say three, but the third, Lily who appearance wise was gorgeous and exactly my type, was my single bad experience. With Lily I could tell she was struggling a bit so I tried to go slower / easier, but after 20 minutes of sex she literally said no more and wanted to give me a hand job. For the remaining 40 minutes. I tried to compromise and told her to do a blowjob, which quickly turned into a lazy hand job. After 10 minutes of that I just told her to stop, paid for the hour, and left. Eliza was my all star here, but everyone (well almost) was a good experience.
Prime: This place had some really good looking girls, some of whom I got to spend time with, and some I just saw passing through the reception area. More than once I decided to wait for a girl I saw, only to have someone else catch my interest after sitting for 10-20 minutes. Not one bad session here, and while its more expensive than Tengara, its still cheap by any Western standard. Paloma was probably the best PSE style session on my entire trip, and Angelica was the most passionate. A note about the staff, the blonde lady is awesome and has a great attitude, but the one with the dark hair I wasn't a fan of. I'm pretty sure she kept my change both times she was at the desk, and while it was only 10 R it was annoying. Normally I'd say something, but since I don't speak Portuguese I didn't think it was worth getting into in the event that I was wrong.
Miruna: This one was my least visited clinica, but no complaints. About the same price as Prime, and the same if we count that dark haired woman stealing my 10 R haha. Girls here were slightly less appealing in terms of looks, but certainly not bad, and the service was solid. If you don't find anyone you like at Prime, or you're out earlier in the day, I definitively suggest making your way here.
57 Friends: This one is a bar rather than a clinica, and one of the places I'd go at night. Drinks are expensive by local standards, but not unreasonable, and it had no entry fee. Girls are basically clinica prices, which is nice. My second best session happened here, and I saw several amazing looking women my first day who I wanted to session with. I went back many times, but never saw any of those women again, and the ones I did see were nothing special. My impression is quality is inconsistent, but you have the potential to see some all stars if you catch the right night. I wish I had found one of two more places like this for the rotation. Additionally the staff here are very friendly, which made my unsuccessful visits pleasant.
DarkSide0127
07-21-22, 13:50
Returned this morning and sitting in airport working on solution to go back!
Sao Paulo is an amazing city. I loved the vibe. One can really alternate between the clinicas and Scandallo, which may be the GOAT in the entire world for hobbyists.
Hi,
So with my first Sao Paulo experience in the books, I really have to say it lives up to the hype. I had exactly one had session in my time there, and everything else was somewhere between decent and spectacular. Even as I write this my balls are begging me to go back. My routine was as follows:
Tengara: This place was the best priced, and the quality of the girls didn't suffer for it. On the contrary, two of the best looking girls I sessioned with were found here. Technically I should say three, but the third, Lily who appearance wise was gorgeous and exactly my type, was my single bad experience. With Lily I could tell she was struggling a bit so I tried to go slower / easier, but after 20 minutes of sex she literally said no more and wanted to give me a hand job. For the remaining 40 minutes. I tried to compromise and told her to do a blowjob, which quickly turned into a lazy hand job. After 10 minutes of that I just told her to stop, paid for the hour, and left. Eliza was my all star here, but everyone (well almost) was a good experience.
Prime: This place had some really good looking girls, some of whom I got to spend time with, and some I just saw passing through the reception area. More than once I decided to wait for a girl I saw, only to have someone else catch my interest after sitting for 10-20 minutes. Not one bad session here, and while its more expensive than Tengara, its still cheap by any Western standard. Paloma was probably the best PSE style session on my entire trip, and Angelica was the most passionate. A note about the staff, the blonde lady is awesome and has a great attitude, but the one with the dark hair I wasn't a fan of. I'm pretty sure she kept my change both times she was at the desk, and while it was only 10 R it was annoying. Normally I'd say something, but since I don't speak Portuguese I didn't think it was worth getting into in the event that I was wrong.
Miruna: This one was my least visited clinica, but no complaints. About the same price as Prime, and the same if we count that dark haired woman stealing my 10 R haha. Girls here were slightly less appealing in terms of looks, but certainly not bad, and the service was solid. If you don't find anyone you like at Prime, or you're out earlier in the day, I definitively suggest making your way here.
When the rate was 2 to 1, 500 reals would get you a lower end 6, and 400 reals would get you laughed out of the place! So think about it.I meant to refer back to when the exchange rate was 3 to 1.
On the ground in Moema. Prime is walking distance from the apartment hotel. . Three or four girls were available at 2 pm. She called more chicas while I waited. A few new to me observations. I was surprised how much I could chat and understand chicas with my poor street Spanglish. Nice to have basic conversations to instruct them on how I liked different positions. Good coffee while waiting. "Que legal. " As reported in Prime Ariella was a nice sloppy deep throat. Prime had six customers waiting by the time I left. Busy place. I walked to clinic Miruna, one of my favorite places.
Few observations that helped me a lot first trip.
The clinicas in Moema have building numbers! Made it easier to find them.
Clinicas and 7 Friends have very hood Wifi internet in the clinicas. Used their connection until my lazy ass could walk to the Claro store at the mall.
The service in the clinicas was great, small hot coffee, cold water, and Red Bull.
I prefer the 30 min option to test drive a Garota. Easy to extend to one hour if going well.
BBBJ was very common. I confirmed anyway with each chica before starting.
Alex H was right SP reminded me of Jakarta, the clinicas are discrete buildings. They are not behind huge security gates like in El Salvador o Guatemala.
In Moema I walked everywhere to at least five or six different clinicas. I stayed from 1 pm to six or 7 pm every day to sample the talent and 57 House. Found the gp-gua review site. It.
Walked to the laundry nearby to clean and wash clothes for a Cheap prices.
First night in Moema apartmento hotel a small jet went screaming overhead at 0600 am. Woke up right away. By the third night slept hard, late into the morning not bothered by the plane noise. As one poster said the entire area hears the same thing.
I went to Scandallo Wednesday night around 9 pm. More garotas arrived later in the night. It was a good experience. At the bar a cute Alicia Keys-looking hottie chatted me up about something. . we switched between spanish and my basic Duolingo portugués.
I ask her how much for the hour in portugués, she replied 450 reals. Asked her to repeat it in Spanish. Sure enough 450 reals. Bueno let's go. I didn't negotiate lower. It was the exact price point I wanted to pay. I didn't buy her a drink either. Scandallo is set up to use credit cards. We went down the elevator and backup on a different elevator. Greeted by another set of cashiers. I paid everything in cash to have a better feel for prices. The room was are $230, garota are $450 an hour, entrance fee with consumables already talked about by others. Uber are $25 to Scandallo from Moema, a 25 min ride at night. Got her WhatsApp number. We are meeting up for daytime fun.
Strip clubs. More expensive, expect $150-$200 a session. You often have to take them out and then add love motel cost on top. Girls tend to be of very high quality, but its not cheap by SA standards.
This may be a stupid question, but where / what are the strip clubs? That's usually my go to in unfamiliar territory, but I don't see any listed on Google maps. I would kill for a strip club right now.
In terms of the currency, that was problematic for me too. Coming by way of Brazil that meant I didn't have much in the way of dollars on me. Western Union is the best option for that, as it gives you pesos at what they call the Dollar Blue, or real exchange rate rather than the fake rate ATMs give you. With Western Union you can send yourself money at a rate of 300 pesos per dollar as opposed to the 130 the official rate offers. The downside there is almost none of the Western Union stores actually have cash. I tried to do $500 US, and literally only the big store downtown could process it. I literally initiated a second transfer while waiting in the 2 hour line.
Appreciate the info, and any club names / locations you could forward I'd be grateful for. Again sorry to the Sao Paulo community for cluttering the thread!
Because the rate is very bad. Goto bradesco and withdraw.Zelezni thank you. Your details were super helpful. Uber from GRU airport was convenient to Moema. Which is located next to another airport.
I went to Ibirapuera mall. Claro on the first floor was useless. On the second floor, Claro sold the sim and data package, the mall is adjacent to a metro line. I traveled ave Paulista with all the banks. None of the ATMs from Santander Banco do Brasil, Caixa, or Itaú worked to withdraw funds on my visa card. Only Bradesco ATM. Thanks for the pro tip Fewdie declined the conversion.
A newbie observation does pay the house upfront or pay after the deed is done. Different clinical, different rules of paying.
TedFerguson
07-21-22, 20:01
The below are my impressions after a week in São Paulo, and two weeks in Buenos Aires. Both are amazing cities with tons of attractive women. São Paulo definitely has the edge in weather, sunshine and the sheer number of options.
I should mention that my preference is medium-term relationships measured in weeks and months, and that my Spanish is decent while Portuguese is rapidly improving. I like to go to nice restaurants, learn new things from conversations, form an emotional connection and genuinely enjoy helping them financially.
Let's start with the first flavor, clubs such as Scandallo. I was there maybe 3 times earlier in the week. Not all it's cracked up to be (as recent posts suggest). I found maybe 3 girls who met my requirements. True to my preference, I picked a hot young 20 year old with a near perfect body. There was very little emotional connection and the conversation was frankly dull. Nevertheless, I repeated with her 3 x during the week to try to figure out why. It seems like she's primarily focused on $ and less interested in anything long-term. Ultimately unsatisfying. Tonight I'm going to try to experience Scandallo as it was meant to be experienced, I. E. Go to the club, try the girls in the on-site rooms and then go home. I suspect I'll be dissatisfied but worth trying.
The second flavor, clinicas such as Lotus Lounge. One thing I liked here was their communication over WhatsApp. You can see who's working and book them ahead of time. I don't really like massages so wasn't expecting much here but picked a new girl with a crackin' body and gave it a shot. There was no massage to speak of, rather a near perfect GFE experience from start to finish. She was patient with my bad Portuguese and despite not being as attractive as the Scandallo girl, I left far more satisfied. We met for dinner the next day, and she was quite late (almost an hour). The conversation was rather dull although I got some smiles out of her. However, when we got back to my hotel, that perfect GFE experience made up for all of it with her going for two rounds while stimulating herself. Sadly, it's clear this girl is rather high mileage as I started having some throat pain in the following days and a small ulcer on the inside of my upper lip. I'm pondering if I can see her again without kissing, but may end up skipping entirely.
The third flavor, sugar dating primarily on Seeking. The first girl flaked outright (fake account). The second had doctored photos. And this is even with me asking them for unedited selfies. The third girl was solid, an 18 year old with a great body, great English and a cute face which could use a bit more care. The fourth girl was an aesthetician and was 26 rather than 23. Our first meeting was excellent, with her going for a second round without my prompting. Our second meeting was just ok, with me being a little tired because she was 1 hour late (again). Perhaps most importantly, she suggested the MeuPatrocinio site for sugar dating which I've signed up for, and oh boy there are more options than Seeking there for Brazil. First date asked for much lower prices than Seeking, and is tomorrow. Hopefully I'll have something good to report in a week or so.
Given that I'm here for weeks to months, I think I can focus on the sugar dating sites and keep learning Portuguese. I might dabble a bit in clinicas and clubs, but overall think they're ill advised for what I'm looking for.
I was in Buenos Aires for two weeks before, and I enjoyed the city immensely. Winter is not the best time to go, weather-wise, and the food was not quite as diverse as Brazil or Colombia, but the women make up for it. One thing which was interesting was the range in pricing, from $100-$300 (one actually asked for $2000). I'm always willing to pay for quality, although next time I'm there I'll probably negotiate down more and pay in pesos. The situation with inflation in Argentina makes the country very cheap to live in.
Nevertheless, the girls I met were the most punctual in LatAm, great conversationalists, and above average to great in bed. Two of the girls were on their periods when we met and that stopped nothing. For one of them, we just had sex in the bathroom. For the other, we put a towel down on the bed and the hotel didn't complain. I've had the strongest emotional connection to the girls in Argentina and will be back when the weather improves.
I used to say the same thing about air travel too. First Class / Business Class isn't worth it. I'm flying on the same damn plane going to the same damn place and paying so much less riding back here! Well, after I flew Business Class for the first time, there was no happily going back to Coach Class ever again!I know what you are talking about. Today I checked flights to Germany with Lufthansa and to my surprise the business class was cheaper than the economy class. European business class is not very good, but still worth paying little bit more to avoid the lines and not having anybody sitting next to you etc.
SocratesNY
07-22-22, 00:52
Having a checking account that reimburse ATM fees adds lots of flexibility. I've had fees as as much as 10-12% (up to 60-70 USD) reimbursed.
I personally recommend getting a Schwab or TD bank account for international hobbying, as both have 0 to low minimum balance requirements and reimburse ALL ATM fees.
Make sure to decline conversion on ATM withdrawals Always let your bank determine the exchange rate, which will be close to market rate. When using a credit card, also make sure you are paying in BRL and not USD / Euro, etc.
I personally prefer Bradesco or Satander ATMs in the city, as they have minimal ATM fees and almost always let your bank do the conversion. I also occasionally use the ATM at GRU near the Starbucka in Terminal 3 just before you exit. My frienda and I have used this bank of ATMs without issue / fraud / card cloning, etc.
Having a checking account that reimburse ATM fees adds lots of flexibility. I've had fees as as much as 10-12% (up to 60-70 USD) reimbursed.Oh interesting. I have the Schwab card and its great for the 20 R ATM fees, but I always assumed it wouldn't work for those percentage based charges. You've seen it reimburse currency conversion charges yourself?
I have heard this more than once in Brazil. I suffered for two weeks last time I was there too. Paid more than USD 300 to see a doctor and ran a bunch of tests but did not show anything.
The below are my impressions after a week in So Paulo, and two weeks in Buenos Aires. Both are amazing cities with tons of attractive women. ...I had some luck in BA. Met a 18 or 19 yr old, and she didn't even ask for condom. I think food is much better than Colombia and good steaks are cheap. It looks like I may cross paths with you soon.
SocratesNY
07-22-22, 05:24
Thanks to TedFerguson, Tochka, JZeleznik, and NiceFirst for your reports.
I just came back from a trip last week and already missing SP. Thankfully, I get to go back in 2 months. I wasn't going to post regarding my recent trip, as I've done my fair share of reports on SP, but I keep learning / experiencing something new and cool each trip. Your reports also makes me want to give back.
Clinicas:
Patricia the blonde receptionist at Prime is a riot and Julia the receptionist at 57 is great and speaks great English. I also experienced the R10 "theft" by the brunette receptionist at Prime previously, but she stopped doing that on repeat visits.
When I started visiting clinicas on my first trip to SP, I would get a presentation and then walk / Uber to next one if I don't like what I saw. I would just do a circuit of Prime, 57, Miruna, Abbobora, and Enjoy.
Since that first visit, I have gained a bit more patience. It helps to get in their Whatsapp status updates. They will add you when you visit in person. It is also a good idea to check their "lineup book" at reception, listing the girls who are scheduled / started working that day, before you leave. It gives you an idea who / how many are busy in the room and wasn't present during your presentation. Both helps me decide whether to stay and wait to see whether the other occupied girls appeal to me.
I've also met many cool dudes while waiting, as we traded advice on who gives good service, who is hot, what other good places to go, etc.
On a final note, many of the popular girls get booked up by regulars via phone / WhatsApp appointments. So if you like someone, but they aren't available or no rooms are free. Just book an appointment and return later or for the next day!
That is what I eventually had to do with my favorite clinica girl, Jade from Prime. She rocked my world during one of my earlier trips, but I had trouble booking her spontaneously on subsequent trips. So this time, I made an appointment. And she hasn't changed a bit. Best GFE / PSE service of any clinica girl I've had in SP, and probably top 3 to 5 of any Brazilian P4 P encounter, which is saying a lot, considering all the amazing experiences I've had in Brazil.
Scandallo:
Sorry and also very surprised to hear about some of the recent reports about subpar talent or unmet expectations at Scandallo. I've been to SP 8 x in the last 15 months so probably been to Scandallo 20+ occasions during that period.
Since the first visit, which my friend and I found to be amazing, I've seen the talent at Scandallo, both in quality and quantity, improve with each subsequent trip. That has a lot to do with the pandemic becoming an endemic, the city lifting restrictions, and more girls being comfortable working and clients visiting the clubs.
This culminated in my most recent trip where I met a girl at Scandallo that was 9. 9 in looks in my book (Brooklyn Decker face and Paulina Porizkova body), spoke good English, was witty, intelligent, elegant and stylish. And to top it off, she was amazing in bed. My only regret was not meeting her until my last night in town. We plan to meet up in future visits. There is one drawback to her, which I will mention later in this post.
As for the rest of the talent in Scandallo last week. I have to say it was off the charts AMAZING! I usually visit SP from Thursday to Monday, but this trip I was there from Tuesday to Friday. And wow. Tuesday and Wednesday are super busy with high end talent. Those 2 days and Thursdays are probably the best days to go to Scandallo. The talent drops off a bit on Friday and then more on Saturday. Monday is probably the slowest day at the club.
Besides my newfound ATF at Scandallo, there were at least 7 to 10 other girls I considered to be 9+ on looks. And probably 3-4 of them to be 9. 5+. And I consider myself to be a tough grader. I generally go for young girl with a pretty / model like face and thin / porportional bodies. What they call gazelles. But I saw tons of voluptuous bombshells and slutty PSE looks as well. Basically all body types and looks to suit any taste. There were easily 150+, if not 200+ girls working on Tues to Thursday last week. Of those, there were lots of 7's and 8's as well. Only a super minority would I consider ro be 6 or below.
Daytime is a bit more quiet and has a relaxed vibe, and things don't get hopping until 10:30 to 11 pm and kept going strong until at least 3 am (the lastest I stayed before leaving with a girl).
You usually catch a different type of girl who works the daytime shift. Many have family obligations or pretend they work a regular job, while workimg in Scandallo. There are more fly by night girls, who are just trying it out, need a quick cash infusion and then stop, etc. Who work during the day shift. There are also less girls working during the day. This can lead to a wide range of talent levels. I've met some drop dead gorgeous girls who did this for just a few weeks to a month and stopped. But also saw a lot of girls that wouldn't interest me even if it was free during the day. Those definitely choose to work during the day shift due to less competition.
I find that a lot of the best talent shows up between 6 to 8 pm, as they can catch the after work crowd, who wants a quickie before going home, while also not having to stay too late to make their quota in terms of time spent in club, rooms or a "Saida" for a free invite back.
Then you have your creme de la creme talent, that can show up at 10,11 pm. Or midnight and not worry about their admission or free invite, as they are so hot and in demand, that they can guarantee a few high priced rooms or a saida. These girls come and go as they please and don't care much about the free invite, so don't work the full 5 days. They often have regulars who book them for the night or take them on international trips so only work when there is a gap in their schedule and want to work. Many of those girls get snapped up fast in the club as soon as they arrive.
My new ATF girl falls into that last category. She is crazy hot and I saw her on the previous 2 nights, but both nights she was with a guy as soon as I noticed her. Each of the two previous nights, the guy partied with her for an hour or two and then they left the club together. On my last night in town, I made it my mission to find her in the club, so politely turned down all offers. I did meet one other girl I liked and told her I was waiting on someone else and got her number. We ended up having a very good afternoon rendezvous in my place the next day before my flight in the evening.
Going back to my new ATF girl, I saw her just before midnight, arriving at the club from the elevator. I quickly approached her and introduced myself. I found her to have good English skills and we decided to go to the outdoor patio for a drink.
We hit it off and soon I turned the discussion to compensation and she floored me somewhat with her pricing. She wanted R1,000 for the hour (quite normal as a first ask) and R3,000 for overnight (way more than I've ever been asked for). I told her it wasn't my first rodeo and I usually pay R5-700 for the hour and R1,000 to R1,500 for overnight. She politely told me that's them and this is her price. She wouldn't budge even when I offered R800 for the hour or R2,000 for overnight, numbers that would get a guaranteed yes from 99.99% of the girls there.
I decided to pay more than I've ever paid for an hour in Brazil, as she ticked all my boxes, and the FX rate is in my favor. 10 minutes into our session, I was thinking of extending to 90 min! And 45 min into it, I decided to pay her price of R3,000 for overnight, as she was so good in bed. Her price is 2 x the cost of the highest I've ever paid a boates girl for overnight.
I wasn't sure If she would live up to her billing for an overnight, but to my surprise, she was totally worth it to me. She had incredible endurance and passion. Her service was the best I've had in Brazil. And she was the hottest working girl I met in Brazil as well. That rare combination, as well as her witty and sweet personality makes her a rare unicorn in this line of work.
I almost took a pass on her due to her overnight pricing (I prefer overnight to on-site, as I usually have a nice suite at a 5 star hotel), but am glad I decided to sample her for the hour and doubly glad I took her back to my hotel, as she gave me one of the top 5 hobbying nights of my life.
After scanning your very long no-ending essay, my statement still holds true.
I'm putting the price out there because its a factor for many here. You can believe the numbers or not believe. Your money and time. GFE is another factor that many people here (maybe except you) considers and paying higher most likely won't change any of that. I'm fluent in portuguese and have talked with a lot of the people there and around Brazil and can say what I said without a doubt. Have a good day.
Despite your claim, the exchange rate absolutely is a relevant consideration. That's the real world reality of the situation on the ground. And an offer of 500 reals is absolutely not competitive for a top hottie at a place like Scandallo given current exchange rates. When the rate was 2 to 1, 500 reals would get you a lower end 6, and 400 reals would get you laughed out of the place! So think about it. But the solution is simple. If you don't want to pay Scandallo prices, then just don't go to Scandallo versus coming here and scolding mongers who do choose to go there about what they pay Scandallo tutes. It's just that simple. Don't fight a losing battle against the system. Don't fight the man. Because nobody is really listening. The clinicas are you! Because you see, just like cars (Buicks, BMWs, and Bentleys), the value of all women is not the same for each and every one of them. You may not think it's worth it to pay that kind of money for that "expensive ride". But, plenty of other people do. And will. I used to say the same thing about air travel too. First Class / Business Class isn't worth it. I'm flying on the same damn plane going to the same damn place and paying so much less riding back here! Well, after I flew Business Class for the first time, there was no happily going back to Coach Class ever again! Now, I'm not one of these guys who thinks I'm getting more just because I'm paying more, especially when it comes to pussy. But, I do know how to recognize what represents value and worth to me. So, count me in at Scandallo! With current exchange rates always being taken into consideration! Hell, even if you're sticking to the clinicas or wherever you're going overseas you should do that! What is the value of your currency in the market where you want to purchase a good or service? That's the way the real world works. Not that all pussy is only worth 500 reals max, and that's it! There are other factors that must be taken into consideration, including the current exchange rate.
SocratesNY
07-22-22, 12:57
After scanning your very long no-ending essay, my statement still holds true.
I'm putting the price out there because its a factor for many here. You can believe the numbers or not believe. Your money and time. GFE is another factor that many people here (maybe except you) considers and paying higher most likely won't change any of that. I'm fluent in portuguese and have talked with a lot of the people there and around Brazil and can say what I said without a doubt. Have a good day.Not sure which of your statement you feel "still holds true. "?
If you feel you can get ANY or MOST girls in Scandallo for R400-R500 due to a combination of:
1) That's what all the locals pay.
2) People who pay more than that are horrible negotiators.
3) People who pay more are paying a "Gringo" fee / price.
4) Porto skills leads to lower cost and if you can speak it, you shouldn't pay more than R400-R500.
5) Any more than R4-500 means "they probably don't like you".
Then you are IMHO either 1) trying to egg people on / put them down. E. g. , a "troll" 2) seeing half the picture and live in a philosophical bubble or 3) over exaggerating the situation for a variety of reasons, one of which is probably to feel superior to others.
I do believe some of the points 1 to 5 laid out above have a grain of truth to them.
1). Some locals do pay less than Gringos at Scandallo, but usually not, and many pay more. 95+% of the clients are local RICH Brazilian. THEY set the market price that the girls can command. Sao Paulo has the most millionaires in South America. You can see this concentration of wealth all over the club, from the clothes and shoes they wear to the bottles of JW Blue / Macallan 18 to 30 yr on the table.
If you think these guys, sporting expensive tailored clothing and drinking bottles costing 5,000 to R25,000, will tell a hot girl they want, that they will only pay her R4-500 for the hour. And not a real more, then you are welcome to your fantasy. These guys are used to instant gratification and have the means to get it.
I've spoken to countless Brazilian local clients at Scandallo and they usually fall into one of three types: 1) Just hanging / drinking with friends, but might get a girl's number for later / cheaper meeting outside the club 2) rather spend less on girls at a more "local" / less high end place, so just come to Scandallo to hang or look and 3) Professional guys who tell me they usually pay R600 to R1,500 for the hour and from R1,200 to R3,000 to go back to their hotel / home. Depending on how much he likes the girl. This last group makes up the majority, if not the super majority of the local guys that I spoke. To.
2). How you negotiate can obviously affect how much you pay. But not to your price point with any regularity.
3). There can definitely be a Gringo and sometimes Asian "tax" involved. One reason is language skills, as a lot of girls at Scandallo don't speak English, so those that can have a leg up and can charge more. There's also a perception among some girls that a lot of the Asians that visit are rich and more liberal with their spending, and it doesn't matter whether they are locals or visiting businessmen. Then there is the stereotype that they are more gentle and have smaller cocks so an easier lay.
4). As alluded to above, language skills definitely play part in the negotiation. A girl that can speak other languages can charge more. A girl that can only speak Porto might be more comfortable with a local guy so might charge them less, and charge more to the Non-Porto speaker, as it's more mentally draining to go with the latter. Sort of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation!
5). Of course how much they like you affects the cost. If they like the way you look and have good chemistry together, it definitely can drive down the price.
With all of that said, do I think you can get a girl at Scandallo for R4-500 for the hour?
YES, but RARELY and usually under a unique set of circumstances. Throw enough darts on the board, and you will hit the bullseye eventually.
My friend and I have had some great deals at Scandallo, from the occasional R500 offer for the hour to R800-R1,000 to go back to hotel for 8 to 10 hours. All the way up to 24 hours for multiple day dates.
Those good deals usually occur because of a combination of:
1) The girl likes you a lot.
2) you are getting a repeat customer discount (some even offered free sessions, but we turned those down as we didn't want to blur the line.).
3) It's a slow time of day and they want to get a session in while business is dead.
4) they are inexperienced / new and don't known what the club market rate is.
5) Not the most attractive girl and can't command the going rate with regularity.
In summary, I believe the current "normal" rate one would expect to pay at Scandallo is R600 to R800 for the hour and R1,200 to R1,500 for an overnight. Of course that range can differ based on many factors from appearance, both yours and hers, chemistry together, day and time, the alignment of the stars, the moon and the sun, and everything mentioned earlier in this novel!
As always with this hobby and in life, YMMV. A Brad Pitt lookalike will get a different experience at Scandallo than a Harvey Weinstein clone.
After scanning your very long no-ending essay, my statement still holds true. I'm putting the price out there because its a factor for many here. You can believe the numbers or not believe. Your money and time. GFE is another factor that many people here (maybe except you) considers and paying higher most likely won't change any of that. I'm fluent in portuguese and have talked with a lot of the people there and around Brazil and can say what I said without a doubt. Have a good day.I'm sorry that my "essay" was to long and hard for you to read. But had you indeed read it, then you would have known that nowhere did I deny that price is a factor for many here. That would be a silly assertion to make. Because the fact of the matter is that it's a factor for almost everybody here, including me. But the point is that everybody's price is different, and that you had ought to take into account where it is you're trying to buy, and how things work there. You have a good day too!
As always with this hobby and in life, YMMV. A Brad Pitt lookalike will get a different experience at Scandallo than a Harvey Weinstein clone.Now that was an essay worthy of "Socrates"! Hahahaha!
I have heard this more than once in Brazil. I suffered for two weeks last time I was there too. Paid more than USD 300 to see a doctor and ran a bunch of tests but did not show anything.After my very first trip to Brazil, I got a really bad sore throat. Then, I picked up a tip from one of the guys, which was to gargle with Listerine. I started doing that regularly during any subsequent mongering trips I took to any part of the world, and I never got a sore throat again. I never leave home without my Listerine in my bags!
Steve 9696
07-22-22, 13:31
So good to see Socrates and TedF back here! Socrates you are spot on with your pricing editorial and especially the point about price insensitivity. Yes you can often work hard to get the price down, but frankly a lot of guys have the coin to not give two fucks. In the US I am regularly paying $400-500 an evening (on Seeking) so it's all about perspective. And great boots on the ground report. Kinda amazed the top shelf pricing experiment worked out but glad it did.
I've gotten to know Ted a bit from his first tentative Clinica steps some years ago to a seasoned multi-country expert. Bear in mind that his Scandallo take is flavored by his extensive dip in the sugar babies pool. I've been in the sugar babies pool for all of COVID and let me tell you Scandallo and German FKK never look quite the same after you have had some real multi-day GFE that goes beyond the bedroom and is deeply emotionally satisfying as well.
Don't get me wrong. I still go to Scandallo and the FKK and enjoy myself but never quite the same as the home town "girlfriend" who runs to you and smothers you in kisses and does the doe eyes BJ just the way you like it because she knows how U like it and (apparently) adores you as much as you do her.
Not sure which of your statement you feel "still holds true. "?
If you feel you can get ANY or MOST girls in Scandallo for R400-R500 due to a combination of:
1) That's what all the locals pay.
2) People who pay more than that are horrible negotiators.
3) People who pay more are paying a "Gringo" fee / price.
4) Porto skills leads to lower cost and if you can speak it, you shouldn't pay more than R400-R500.
5) Any more than R4-500 means "they probably don't like you".
Then you are IMHO either 1) trying to egg people on / put them down. E. g. , a "troll" 2) seeing half the picture and live in a philosophical bubble or 3) over exaggerating the situation for a variety of reasons, one of which is probably to feel superior to others.
I do believe some of the points 1 to 5 laid out above have a grain of truth to them.
1). Some locals do pay less than Gringos at Scandallo, but usually not, and many pay more. 95+% of the clients are local RICH Brazilian. THEY set the market price that the girls can command. Sao Paulo has the most millionaires in South America. You can see this concentration of wealth all over the club, from the clothes and shoes they wear to the bottles of JW Blue / Macallan 18 to 30 yr on the table.
If you think these guys, sporting expensive tailored clothing and drinking bottles costing 5,000 to R25,000, will tell a hot girl they want, that they will only pay her R4-500 for the hour. And not a real more, then you are welcome to your fantasy. These guys are used to instant gratification and have the means to get it.
I've spoken to countless Brazilian local clients at Scandallo and they usually fall into one of three types: 1) Just hanging / drinking with friends, but might get a girl's number for later / cheaper meeting outside the club 2) rather spend less on girls at a more "local" / less high end place, so just come to Scandallo to hang or look and 3) Professional guys who tell me they usually pay R600 to R1,500 for the hour and from R1,200 to R3,000 to go back to their hotel / home. Depending on how much he likes the girl. This last group makes up the majority, if not the super majority of the local guys that I spoke. To.
2). How you negotiate can obviously affect how much you pay. But not to your price point with any regularity.
3). There can definitely be a Gringo and sometimes Asian "tax" involved. One reason is language skills, as a lot of girls at Scandallo don't speak English, so those that can have a leg up and can charge more. There's also a perception among some girls that a lot of the Asians that visit are rich and more liberal with their spending, and it doesn't matter whether they are locals or visiting businessmen. Then there is the stereotype that they are more gentle and have smaller cocks so an easier lay.Nice summary and YMMV is true! People pay what is comfortable for their budget / income. In the end, its sex in exchange for something of value, both client and girl have their own values. Some girls don't always want money, they'll take other gifts.
Having gone to Scandallo, Bomboa, and Photo for 10 years I have never gotten anything lower than 500 R for an hour regardless of the exchange rate. 500 R back then for a solid 9 will cost at least 700 R now taking into consideration inflation in Brasil has always been high. But 10 years ago the exchange was 2:1 and now its 5:1 so its all relative.
This is why I always say don't pay more than 700 for 1 hour or 1500 for overnight and people that think its too high then go somewhere else like clinicas or Connection.
SocratesNY
07-22-22, 13:50
Thanks for all interesting tibits on BA. As a recent frequent traveler to SP, Buenos Aires has intrigued me.
BA has many pluses for me. It is a short hop away, is a large cosmopolitan city (lots of good restaurants, high end hotels and presumably decent infrastructure) and Spanish speaking (My Spanish is way better than my Porto).
However, the ISG Argentina forums is a graveyard for recent info. The confusing / more complex exchange rate system (having to use Western Union or street black market for best rates) is an annoying obstacle.
There also doesn't seem to be places like Scandallo in BA. I prefer to see the girl in person and interact with her to see if we have chemistry and whether my service requests can be met by her. That is why I usually avoid online incall / outcalls escorts and usually only use brothels / clinicas as a backup option. At least in those, you can see how a girl really looks in person before deciding.
I also don't have the time or flexibility to go the SB / Seeking route. I am usually only in the city for a few days at a time so it's not the best ROI for my limited time.
I know this is the SP forum, but due to the recent discussion by knowledgeable BA mongers, I want to ask:
If I was looking to make a 2-3 day side trip to BA from SP.
1) Are there hobbying venues like Scandallo, strip clubs, etc. That you can meet and chat up a girl before taking her back to your hotel?
2) Is the average service level comparable to Brazil?
3) is Western Union the best way to get a good rate on ARS? I presume I shouldn't send more than I expect to use, as it'll be very difficult to impossible to switch back to USD.
4) Are the nice 5 star hotels in BA girl friendly?
5) Do the nice hotels and restaurants accept ARS or only USD due to their inflation? I figure if I use a credit card and pay in either ARS or USD, I would be getting the shitty "official" rate.
6) With all the extra logistical obstacles BA has compared to SP, is it even worth it to go for a short trip, especially when the cost of hobbying there seems comparable.
It seems that if I decide to go, my main expectations should be to explore the city and eat at some nice restaurants, with hobbying playing second fiddle. Or am I wrong?
Feel free to DM me if it's more appropriate.
SocratesNY
07-22-22, 14:12
Oh interesting. I have the Schwab card and its great for the 20 R ATM fees, but I always assumed it wouldn't work for those percentage based charges. You've seen it reimburse currency conversion charges yourself?NO! The Schwab card or any debit card, even high end accounts, like Chase Private Client / Citi Gold, does not reimburse "currency conversion" IF you accept the ATM's conversion.
ALWAYS decline the ATM's conversion option.
However, a few ATMs charge an ATM "fee" based on percentage of withdrawal amount. The one in the Grand Hyatt Sao Paulo charges like 12%. I also believe another one in GRU charges 10%. I think it's the one by baggage claim.
I've been charged ATM fees in those instances of 50-60 USD, as I took out about R2,500. These high fees were reimbursed by Schwab and my main checking account.
So for those ATMs, if you accept their currency conversion, you get fucked both ways. On the ATM fees and the currency conversion.
NO! The Schwab card or any debit card, even high end accounts, like Chase Private Client / Citi Gold, does not reimburse "currency conversion" IF you accept the ATM's conversion.
ALWAYS decline the ATM's conversion option.
However, a few ATMs charge an ATM "fee" based on percentage of withdrawal amount. The one in the Grand Hyatt Sao Paulo charges like 12%. I also believe another one in GRU charges 10%. I think it's the one by baggage claim.
I've been charged ATM fees in those instances of 50-60 USD, as I took out about R2,500. These high fees were reimbursed by Schwab and my main checking account.
So for those ATMs, if you accept their currency conversion, you get fucked both ways. On the ATM fees and the currency conversion.Damn SocratesNY! You dropping all kinds of good knowledge up in here today LOL!
...It seems that if I decide to go, my main expectations should be to explore the city and eat at some nice restaurants, with hobbying playing second fiddle. Or am I wrong?.I think for a 2-3 day side trip, the club called D'Lirio by the cemetery would work for you. I have sessioned in various places, from the very low end to higher price. I think on average the service is limited in P4 P. Even Colombia can't match Brazil service wise.
I have looked at SA and contacted some a few years back. It didn't work for me and probably because I didn't spend enough time on it. I only looked at new profiles. There are some activities but I felt it was limited.
My guess is most hotels are girl friendly because there is not much mongering going on. You can ask the hotel before booking. I only had two girls coming to my hotel, always after 10 PM, and they were never bothered except they were asked to present IDs sometimes. The girls that visited me also didn't dress provocatively like you would often see in Medellin.
The easier route is to have USDs and exchange to local currency in downtown Florida street. You can't miss it because they will approach you as you walk down the street. You can compare rate from multiple street vendors that approach you to get a fair rate in that area. It's not the best rate but it's good for a small amount if you don't want to keep too much local currency with you.
The city's infrastructure is old, a lot of things are broken. I like the food and steak here more than Brazil. Most restaurants are old school in old buildings. There are many speakeasy style bars that are interesting to me. These bars are similar to Bar dos Arcos in SP but with much older interior. Puerto Maduro area has newer and nicer restaurants that are similar to places like Seen or Skye in SP ambience wise.
I already have a flight booked to BA later. That is how much I like the city.
With all of that said, do I think you can get a girl at Scandallo for R4-500 for the hour?
YES, but RARELY and usually under a unique set of circumstances. Throw enough darts on the board, and you will hit the bullseye eventually.Those are prices the locals pay at Casarao. I checked the last few pages on the local forum and most guys paid 350-500 for an hour there, with few exceptions who had paid 300. Scandallo is more expensive than Casarao.
Thanks all you guys for the protip. I got in the wassap list to see daily lineup at Miruna, Prime, and EnjoySpa to schedule of garotas photos, and names. At Prime, the brunette did not return change twice. By the third session, I got the change back. She warmed up a bit. I started to tip small amounts to the cleaning ladies. They deal with the dirty mess after sloppy sessions. We got into humorous conversations about cleaning the rooms in a Clinica. That helped with better service from the brunette. She told me her name. I forgot to make a note of it. The clinicas have an interesting culture of hanging around until the Garota you want is available. Other posters mentioned the same.
That reminds me of GBP casa in DR. Hanging around shooting the shit with the staff. I found it worth the wait sometimes. Because every Garota I repeated with two or more sessions had one sexy thing in common. BBBJDT licking balls and swallowing. No spitting out. The first time it happened expected the Garota to spit out the cum into the towel. Nope, she downed it all, swallowing with a smile. Damn. Another Garota from 57 did cumplay before swallowing. The knees buckled watching a pretty Meghan Markel Garota play with cum before swallowing it all down. Not a drop was missed. And didn't ask for propina. I gave small tip anyways. Next on the bucket list, is a Duplo with cum snowballing by two garotas. They cuming by uber now.
It doesn't matter. You can read what I wrote and reference it. Or you can read it and get insulted and butt hurt by it. That's your problem. I'm not going to baby feed you.
Some girls come to Scandallo are looking for that fast cash jackpot gringo treasure hunt. All girls there are just normal citizens like everyone else in Brazil. Many of them have online ad postings that are 500 or sub. There shouldn't be a problem for anyone with 500. Sao Paulo is more than just SCANDALLO! and Brazil is more than just SAO PAULO!
You can exchange your money at the airport for R4. 8 or whatever with the current rates and fees where they rip you off and make money off of you. Or you can do it at a Bradesco branch and get current market rate without fees.
Not sure which of your statement you feel "still holds true. "?
If you feel you can get ANY or MOST girls in Scandallo for R400-R500 due to a combination of:
1) That's what all the locals pay.
2) People who pay more than that are horrible negotiators.
3) People who pay more are paying a "Gringo" fee / price.
4) Porto skills leads to lower cost and if you can speak it, you shouldn't pay more than R400-R500.
5) Any more than R4-500 means "they probably don't like you".
Then you are IMHO either 1) trying to egg people on / put them down. E. g. , a "troll" 2) seeing half the picture and live in a philosophical bubble or 3) over exaggerating the situation for a variety of reasons, one of which is probably to feel superior to others.
I do believe some of the points 1 to 5 laid out above have a grain of truth to them.
1). Some locals do pay less than Gringos at Scandallo, but usually not, and many pay more. 95+% of the clients are local RICH Brazilian. THEY set the market price that the girls can command. Sao Paulo has the most millionaires in South America. You can see this concentration of wealth all over the club, from the clothes and shoes they wear to the bottles of JW Blue / Macallan 18 to 30 yr on the table.
If you think these guys, sporting expensive tailored clothing and drinking bottles costing 5,000 to R25,000, will tell a hot girl they want, that they will only pay her R4-500 for the hour. And not a real more, then you are welcome to your fantasy. These guys are used to instant gratification and have the means to get it.
I've spoken to countless Brazilian local clients at Scandallo and they usually fall into one of three types: 1) Just hanging / drinking with friends, but might get a girl's number for later / cheaper meeting outside the club 2) rather spend less on girls at a more "local" / less high end place, so just come to Scandallo to hang or look and 3) Professional guys who tell me they usually pay R600 to R1,500 for the hour and from R1,200 to R3,000 to go back to their hotel / home. Depending on how much he likes the girl. This last group makes up the majority, if not the super majority of the local guys that I spoke. To.
2). How you negotiate can obviously affect how much you pay. But not to your price point with any regularity.
3). There can definitely be a Gringo and sometimes Asian "tax" involved. One reason is language skills, as a lot of girls at Scandallo don't speak English, so those that can have a leg up and can charge more. There's also a perception among some girls that a lot of the Asians that visit are rich and more liberal with their spending, and it doesn't matter whether they are locals or visiting businessmen. Then there is the stereotype that they are more gentle and have smaller cocks so an easier lay.
4). As alluded to above, language skills definitely play part in the negotiation. A girl that can speak other languages can charge more. A girl that can only speak Porto might be more comfortable with a local guy so might charge them less, and charge more to the Non-Porto speaker, as it's more mentally draining to go with the latter. Sort of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation!
5). Of course how much they like you affects the cost. If they like the way you look and have good chemistry together, it definitely can drive down the price.
With all of that said, do I think you can get a girl at Scandallo for R4-500 for the hour?
YES, but RARELY and usually under a unique set of circumstances. Throw enough darts on the board, and you will hit the bullseye eventually.
My friend and I have had some great deals at Scandallo, from the occasional R500 offer for the hour to R800-R1,000 to go back to hotel for 8 to 10 hours. All the way up to 24 hours for multiple day dates.
Those good deals usually occur because of a combination of:
1) The girl likes you a lot.
2) you are getting a repeat customer discount (some even offered free sessions, but we turned those down as we didn't want to blur the line.).
3) It's a slow time of day and they want to get a session in while business is dead.
4) they are inexperienced / new and don't known what the club market rate is.
5) Not the most attractive girl and can't command the going rate with regularity.
In summary, I believe the current "normal" rate one would expect to pay at Scandallo is R600 to R800 for the hour and R1,200 to R1,500 for an overnight. Of course that range can differ based on many factors from appearance, both yours and hers, chemistry together, day and time, the alignment of the stars, the moon and the sun, and everything mentioned earlier in this novel!
As always with this hobby and in life, YMMV. A Brad Pitt lookalike will get a different experience at Scandallo than a Harvey Weinstein clone.
As I mentioned in previous post about Argentina, pandemics has changed the scene up side down, and unfortunate economic measures are ruining the currency adn people's sallaries.
I have great contacts among visual producers en Argentina as you can see, but I'll post that information in the Argentina zone of ISG, so we don't mess this great Sao Paulo posts, and we throtle that area that diserves a deeper view.
There are super hot argies.
Important to mention that guys on the pics are both visual producers.
Thanks for all interesting tibits on BA. As a recent frequent traveler to SP, Buenos Aires has intrigued me.
BA has many pluses for me. It is a short hop away, is a large cosmopolitan city (lots of good restaurants, high end hotels and presumably decent infrastructure) and Spanish speaking (My Spanish is way better than my Porto).
However, the ISG Argentina forums is a graveyard for recent info. The confusing / more complex exchange rate system (having to use Western Union or street black market for best rates) is an annoying obstacle.
There also doesn't seem to be places like Scandallo in BA. I prefer to see the girl in person and interact with her to see if we have chemistry and whether my service requests can be met by her. That is why I usually avoid online incall / outcalls escorts and usually only use brothels / clinicas as a backup option. At least in those, you can see how a girl really looks in person before deciding.
I know this is the SP forum, but due to the recent discussion by knowledgeable BA mongers, I want to ask:
If I was looking to make a 2-3 day side trip to BA from SP.
.Last post about BA from me, but the random tidbits in this thread helped salvage my trip so I wanted to share what I can and repay the favor.
Going off of the suggestions here I tried a few girls off of the bairesgirls site. I was able to find some information in Spanish to cross reference a few of them, and setup some appointments. When you text one of these girls they have a generic message they send outlining the details of their service. You let them know if you want a half hour or an hour, when, and then set a date. The first girl I saw definitely hit me with a gringo tax, likely from seeing my US number, but even so it came out to $50 for an hour with anal included so I didn't want to argue it. The next three were cheaper, and it seems 10,000 pesos is the standard for an hour. That works out to about $35 at current Western Union rates. In terms of looks I'm very particular, but all of the girls I saw were good looking and matched their photos. I've used agencies before, but never individual online ads so that was a pleasant surprise. In terms of service, while none were outright bad I found I was really getting see+ effort. Only one was something I'd consider repeating. In terms of service it offered no competition to Brazil.
I was pretty spent today as I'm now trying to fit a weeks worth of hobbying into 2. 5 days, but I just paid a visit to the'Lirio for research purposes. The doorman tells me its 2,000 for a table or 3,000 for a booth with some portion being consumable. My Spanish isn't great and I was struggling with the details, so he walked me into the club to speak to someone else. I go to pay him the 3,000 only to find out he said 30,000 and 20,000 respectively. Again at Western Union rates, that's $102 or $68 for entry, or 2-3 hours with a good looking online girl. Having gotten a glimpse at the 20 ish girls working, and only a glimpse because it was the darkest club I've ever been in, I decided it wasn't even worth my time to stay and hear what kind of prices the girls would quote me. After declining both entry fees I was also offered a bar option for 10,000 pesos, but again from what I could tell the talent present didn't justify even that. Given the entry fee, I couldn't imagine the girls would be asking for less than $100 US. In terms of other venues I really can't find anything concrete online, which is a shame because I'm very much in the mood for a strip club. I might make my way to Cocodrilo as it was apparently once a hotspot and I'm curious, though I have an early appointment so 50/50 on that.
Western Union is absolutely the best rate to change money. Currently they will give you 322 pesos per dollar, whereas a local shop will offer you somewhere around 300 pesos per dollar, and really only for crisp $100's. $50's they tend to offer a few pesos less. The downside is almost every Western Union will ask how much you're trying to pick up, and then tell you they don't have the money. For my first transfer I only tried to get $500 worth, and literally only one shop in the city that I could find had the cash for even that small amount. The wait time was several hours in line, but unfortunately because I arrived via Brazil I had almost $0 as I would just hit up the ATM every other day. In my opinion, the "best" option is to bring stacks of $100's, find a shop that offers a fair rate, and change them as needed.
Never ever pay for anything with a credit card. Currently the official rate is 130 pesos per dollar, and that's what any credit card transaction will use. Paying in pesos Argentina is reasonably cheap, paying with a credit card prices are more expensive than in the US. That also means you'll be overpaying for your hotel. I stayed in a five star hotel and it cost me just shy of $600 per night. The nice restaurants definitely accept pesos. I was not asked for dollars anywhere, and I didn't offer.
It took me roughly five days to get settled in in BA. Today was not bad, and if I had another week I think it would be a decent time. A third week would probably be disappointing, as the talent pool is a bit on the small side. Argentinian women are exactly my type, and walking the city I saw the two best looking women I've ever seen in person. People talk about 10's a lot, and I've seen plenty of 8's and 9's with stellar makeup, but I've never actually seen a genuine 10 in person before visiting Argentina. Here I saw one just out in the wild acting like regular people. With that said, given all of the hurdles and apparent lack of options, I couldn't recommend it as long as Brazil is on the table. Hope that helps!
It doesn't matter. You can read what I wrote and reference it. Or you can read it and get insulted and butt hurt by it. That's your problem. I'm not going to baby feed you.
Some girls come to Scandallo are looking for that fast cash jackpot gringo treasure hunt. All girls there are just normal citizens like everyone else in Brazil. Many of them have online ad postings that are 500 or sub. There shouldn't be a problem for anyone with 500. Sao Paulo is more than just SCANDALLO! and Brazil is more than just SAO PAULO!
You can exchange your money at the airport for R4. 8 or whatever with the current rates and fees where they rip you off and make money off of you. Or you can do it at a Bradesco branch and get current market rate without fees.I really don't understand some of you guys.
I've met some forum posters out on the field who make over $150 k+ a year and balk at the idea of paying a girl anything over 500 BRL otherwise they were the ones getting fucked.
I understand guys like Vagabundo who actually lives in Brazil, he has to pace himself and get the best ROI since he has the time.
But I met guys who flew into Brazil from Europe or the US for a week or so and they were appalled at paying a girl's reasonable rate like it had GBP symbol next to it.
I'm not one of those liquid rich americans but I understand the value of a good experience above anything else.
I've been to Montreal with their robust agencies like XO and Euphoria, Berlin with their World Class FKK and Brothels, Barcelona with their High End brothels like La Suite and Felina along with various agencies like Apricots, Eden53, LePrivee, Vecinitas.
All top destinations for a good time besides asia (I'm not really into asian girls myself so haven't done that route).
I've had really good experiences in all those places but with Brazil it's a whole different adventure.
I would say if I averaged out the price I paid at those 3 destinations it would be like $175 for 1 HR.
In Brazil for 1000 BRL or $200 you can get a girl for a pernoite or multiple hours and do all kinds of kinky shit like getting a BJ at a movie theater or fucking at the beach.
You really get the best ROI by a mile.
Your money goes a long way in terms of both currency exchange and experience and one should take advantage of this. Brazil won't be the land of milk and honey forever. It will go sour and dry up one of these days so why not take part of it's sweetest nectar while you can.
It's like going to Italy and saving money by eating at McDonald's since it's the most economical thing around instead of he multiple local delicious restaurants that serves the best food Italy has to offer and what it's known famous for!
I know what I like and if I see a bryce dallas howard or zazie beetz look a like I'm going in over 500 if I have to. There is such a thing as spending too much we can all agree but to cap yourself at 500 is quite limiting what potential could be had.
Alot of guys here write and act as if they know for sure that they are going to wake up the next morning or take their saving into the afterlife.
Do what you makes you happy and as you please by all means. That's just my 2 cents. YMMV.
"I know when the bell tolls for me I'll be pleased with the knowledge that I saved a few dollars instead of feeling that euphoria that all men search for".
- no one.
It's like going to Italy and saving money by eating at McDonald's since it's the most economical thing around instead of he multiple local delicious restaurants that serves the best food Italy has to offer and what it's known famous for!
So fucking true! I had friends who follow this concept and it boggles my mind.
I just came from a vacation in Cancun and it is utter monger hell. Worse than my town in the USA. I knew that Cancun isn't the place to monger before I went but I was bored and decided to try my luck. The girls charge outrageous prices and the experience is terrible. I used SA and tried two different girls. Both serious letdowns. Brazil is the place to be and I will happily spend what I feel comfortable spending to get the type of service I am looking for.
Even my experiences in Dubai in March was nothing compared to the service of the Brazilians.
Can't wait for my next trip in September.
... that serves the best food Italy has to offer and what it's known famous for!....To be fair in your comparison, the question is do you pay local price or gringo price? Or do you consider Scandallo similar to McDonald as that is the subject in OP's post
I am not saying OP is correct in regard to price but he was posting what local price is.
L... which is a shame because I'm very much in the mood for a strip club. I might make my way to Cocodrilo as it was apparently once a hotspot and I'm curious, though I have an early appointment so 50/50 on that...Cocodrilo is much cheaper. It is like Connection relative to Scandallo (D'Lirio). Just keep in mind that it doesn't really get going until after 12 when upstairs open. I was in BA not that long ago.
If there is such a thing, LOL.
The online rate for a good looking girl usually starts at 600 BRL. Based on that, it is fair from my view to think an attractive girl can ask for 600 BRL in Scandallo. In addition to that, a girl has to pay a fee to get in the club, so 800 BRL is not an unreasonable price to pay for a hot girl. That was the exact price one of the hottest girls I met in Scandallo charged online and in the club. I posted her picture before and I saw her go to the room multiple times with limited service. I remember her name is Naomi.
Logically speaking, when someone tells me that I can see 20 or 30 9's and 10's on the right nights, I think I would at least see a few when I went on the wrong nights. But I didn't, that tells me the poster has a different taste than me, it's a YMMV situation. If someone tells me a girl is 10, I am unlikely to argue with him, but it helps me interpret what the person is saying.
To be fair in your comparison, the question is do you pay local price or gringo price? Or do you consider Scandallo similar to McDonald as that is the subject in OP's post
I am not saying OP is correct in regard to price but he was posting what local price is.It varies of course!
Scandallo and other boates where you have to negotiate can range from 500-1000 1 HR.
You can easily get girls all around SP or Brazil for that matter at 500 or less.
I actually like the clinicas in the daytime since they can be had for 250 or so.
I've paid girls 500 in scandallo and online girls.
I've paid some 800.
I've paid some girls at 300.
I've done pernoites at 1000.
There really is no set price.
That's sort of the point With my point about the restaurants. You can go around 5 different ones and they'll each have varying prices from $ to $$$$
With OP stating that the non sucker price is 500 or less is again equating to McDonald's because it ain't the worst thing in the world, it's consistent and the value is usually the best wherever you go but it ain't going to knock your socks.
I just can't fathom the idea that I see a girl that looks like a porn star / model / actress that I would love to bang and turn her away because she wanted 700 instead of 500.
Like LOL no sorry I'm not paying gringo prices.
I only paid for my round trip ticket that took 9 hours plus my hotel room for X amount of days plus my food and Uber costs but I'm not paying an extra 200 reais more because otherwise local Brazilians and people online will think I'm a sucker.
I thought the whole point of coming to Brazil is to bang beautiful girls of our dreams that also provide the best service there is.
I understand locals not wanting to pay more than a certain amount.
They make less and know the hidden gems and can easily make do.
OP is not a local nor is he living in Brazil like vagabundo so shackling himself to local prices doesn't make sense.
Just to put it in perspective.
In Las Vegas there are brothels that charge clients $5000-10000 USD for a few hours in their themed rooms with a fetish girl all covered.
In SP you can easily find a nympho that will let you BBFSCIP in one of the many themes love motels and let you record it for like 1000-2000 brl all in which is like $200-400 USD.
You're already saving money by being in Brazil.
You're at the peak of value meets quality.
Live at little for goodness sake's.
To each their own but capping yourself at 500 is just bewildering when you have come all this way.
You don't have to pay a high amount but for all the new guys just be flexible.
It's your time, your money, your dick and your life to live and you only get one.
...The clinicas are you! Because you see, just like cars (Buicks, BMWs, and Bentleys), the value of all women is not the same for each and every one of them. You may not think it's worth it to pay that kind of money for that "expensive ride". But, plenty of other people do....The Cane, I agree with your view on beauty. But I don't completely agree with your analogies or I don't really understand it as intended, including the airline one. LOL. I am borrowing your car analogy to strike the point about Bearsi's response to my post.
Do all girls working in Scandallo automatically become BMW? I think not.
Years ago I was in the freelancer spot Thermae in Bangkok. Almost all girls charged the same price. I asked a girl that didn't attract any interest which would she choose if Toyota and BWM were the same price?
I have decided that next time I visit Scandallo, I am going to get a BWM if I can find one. I absolutely do not plan to get a Corolla from that place. I am not going to eat a Big Mac in Scandallo.
The Cane, I agree with your view on beauty. But I don't completely agree with your analogies or I don't really understand it as intended, including the airline one. LOL. I am borrowing your car analogy to strike the point about Bearsi's response to my post.Go back to what I called the original post. "Finding Value". People find and attach different values to the same things all the time, depending on all kind of factors, some of those unique and intrinsic to them alone as people. And sometimes through an experience, the value that they decide to assign to a particular good or service can change based on said experience (the point of me telling how my views on what I am willing to pay for air travel changed). Given this reality about life and living, the central point is that it makes zero sense to come in here and chide people about ever paying more than 500 reals for the services of a prostitute in Brazil. It's like saying never pay this much for a car, this much for a haircut, this much for a house, this much for a meal, this much for a plane ticket, and blah, blah, blah. Maybe 500 reals max is the amount that Mr. Fewdie wants to attach to the services of a prostitute, but as you can see from the many responses his post has generated, other people have other ideas and considerations about how to value a prostitute's services, just as happens with any other type of good or service.
Mr. Fewdie has his max expenditure on a tute (and a house and a car and a haircut and whatever else I assume). And I (and indeed all of us) have mine. And his coming here criticizing what guys pay won't be changing anything. It never does, and usually only results in discord. That's why I rarely ever talk specifically about what I paid, unless it's based off of posted house prices and / or a well-established "going rate" that most seasoned mongers who partake in a specific market know about. Otherwise, I think it's best to just not bring up price. A monger is going to pay what a monger wants to pay based on how he assigns value to that pussy. Look at a guy like Mr. Enternational. He will say things like "there is no going rate". Well sometimes that's just not true. It's just that he refuses to recognize what the going rate is LOL! But that's just him exercising his prerogative to assign value to the pussy how he sees it, which is a right that ultimately belongs to each and every one of us as participants in the P4P hobby.
If they see you're a gringo in Asia and buying street food. They will jack up the price 2 x.
I'm just letting you know you can get price X. Keep paying that 2 x price. Keep exchanging your money at the airport that gives you only 80% of the market value compared to doing it elsewhere. I'm moving on. Aint nobody here got time to do deep critical analysis on this basic crap. Going to go get myself a big mac. (If you order it through the app, its $1. 5 cheaper).
Yeah, one can get a girl for 500-700 R / HR or 1200-1500 R / overnight, the rates many of us would find reasonable, the question is. Will she be top quality? I mean, in the top 5-10% range? 8. 5-10/10? Creme of the creme? I doubt it, and the resent post about 3000 R girl proves it. Girls in high demand ask much higher rates and won't budge. 500-700 R is an entry level rate that would get you a cute girl next door type, but what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account? Makes no sense to me. If one has a coin and is ready to splurge on a smoking hot 9, Scandallo is the place to be. Price sensitive mongers would be much better off sticking to clinicas.
Random. Musing.
I did a return visit to Scandallo. This time I planned a budget ahead of time to live vigorously to take advantage of all the things scandals offer. Much better experience. I met again with the Meghan Markel type Garota from yesterday. She is a great definition of (IOP) illusion of Passion. Thanks to the poster for using that term. We had a fantastic time together. In Scandallo They don't carry the brand of whiskey I prefer to drink. I switch to vsop Hennessey. It was funny to see how a few garotas at first glance focused on the snifter glass with Hennesy drink. The masero made with great presentation pouring the drink. Which I didn't need nor cared about.
They shifted their gaze upward to see a Harvey Weinstein slob meets Jabba hut sipping down henny😜 kkkk. Thanks, Socrates for those examples.
I arrived early around 9. 30 pm on Friday. Yes as the other poster mentioned Thurs slightly more crowded.
I did a Threesome in a shower, three together soapy, slushing dirty fun while getting cleaned. I have not had a soapy shower threesome since Annies in Bangkok.
Surprisingly not an extensive whiskey list for a high-end joint. Switch to drinking Hennessy all night.
In the onsite room, no knock. I just paid more at the end for additional time. Legal.
YMMV at the apartment, my Garota was not a clock watcher. We had a fun time until we were done. Two or three hours did not matter to her. I paid the same one-hour price plus uber.
The next day we meet and introduce myself to her kid. She has been sharing family during our time together. We all went together to the nearby park. She dropped the kid at her mothers' place. Went to supermercado to shop for basic stuff needed for the apartment, water, fruits, and coffee. Went back to the apartment for an afternoon of more fun and dinner. IOP Illusion of passion is strong here. Damn. Thanks, Kib123 and Hobbying for the reference.
Felt more comfortable using the credit card toward the end of the trip.
Thanks a Fewdie for money, ATM, conversion info, and bank closure on weekend.
Wifi in Scandallo was solid.
The music band played oldies but goodies Americano songs. I sang out loud for the first time in years, knew them all. Scandallo knows their old man demographic. .
Duolingo Porto and street Spanish were enough to share long conversations, jokes, sexy stuff, and stupid stuff with garotas talking to uber drivers about the crazy traffic or slanging around with the barbershop fellas about who's next, debating music and chicas from Brazilian guy view, or chatting with a couple of the security dudes at Scandallo calling me família:-o.
Still figuring out internet porto slang, a less formal bunch of wassap text by garotas HJ, BJ, bjos, to.
During next the visit to Scandallo paid are $400 for a pretty Alicia Keys type I session earlier. Great vibes. I went for a repeat session. I asked if she could arrange a Duplo with one of her amigas in Scandallo. Sure enough Yes, bingo! Paid are $500 to her and $500 to amiga to do the duplo threesome I wanted. Damn bucket list getting checked off fast when Alicia keys and Meghan Markel sloppy sucking your nut and swallowing it all to great music.
Neither one asked for propina afterward or upsell. We all ate at the restaurant inside, with pricey good food.
Newbie observation. YMMV, the garotas and chicas I was with did not ask for propina after the session. It was a relief not to be asked all the time by everyone like Hong Kong in Tijuana.
I had a fun time in the garota's taxi. I did not remember the connection between the two or three spas. Thanks, guys for mentioning it earlier. They moved the garotas to other clinicas when we lost power for a few hours. I crowded in with four chicas traveling to a couple of different spas in Moema. Cool experience. I was drunk as hell. Sipping on my travel-size whiskey brand in the CLínicas. Still cannot find the brand by the shot glass.
Congrats to all those who spent a great time in Scandallo. Maybe that house needs a special thread on ISG already, together with a list of brazilian sex slang. I say house because brazilians call "casa" to boates and night clubs.
2013, when it was my first hit in Scandallo, I arrived around 8 pm during "Copa das Confederaçoes", here the pic of the banner right from Scandallos entrance (I guess there was someone asking about the soccer matches to be on Tvs of the house). I was doing the scounting in preparation of the 2014 World Cup tours. The manager himself, a fitness man in his early forties who looked like special forces soldier, showed me the entire house during a 10 minute walk. At that time, there were Chinese guys and few locals.
That night I picked a super hot GP, a 9 to my standards, who was building her house in Porto Alegre with her hard job in the house. So, there will be another post of the earnings of a Top GP in Brazil, a kind of model Brazilians call "beldade".
I've been to Scandallo maybe 4 to 6 more times since then, to get my sex therapy, in the Maracana of Sex.
There was this bar, that was early mentioned in Brazilian forums back in 2012-2014, it was the "Spy Bar" I also visited as part of my World Cup 2014 scouting. A very odd name indeed. The manager showed me the place as well, it was a nice place, smaller that Scandallo or Cafe Photo. At 20:30 when I arrived there was only one table with clients and 4 girls, all GPS of course. One was a very cute blonde in classy cocktail dress and a coat that covered her lovely big tits. As you can see it was in the Pinheiros area, see the slope of the street.
Unfortunately never heard from that bar again since 2016, because there were good reviews back then.
Axel Heyst
07-24-22, 02:38
Aint nobody here got time to do deep critical analysis on this basic crap. Going to go get myself a big mac. (If you order it through the app, its $1. 5 cheaper).That is fine with me. The more choices the better. I don't necessarily want a stunner at Scandallo every night. Some nights I might meet a sexy girl next door type at Scandallo and she is all I need or want. Some nights I might go crosstown to Bomboa or I might want to have some late-night cheap stuff at Casarao. And then there are days I when I wake up and want a clinica girl or two in the afternoon. It all depends. I like to mix things up that's all.
So, anyone who wants it can buy a Big Mac and fries happy meal in SP for a few BR. It is cheap and the customer knows what he is getting, and the burger is not bad once in a while, although I prefer the cheddar burger. Ha ha.
But, for a few more BR you can get a better burger, IMHO, at a local sit-down restaurant and wash it down with a beer. I think it is a better food, so I tend to eat at these kinds of restaurants a lot more than I do at McDonalds which is rare because when I am in a foreign country I like to eat local. Which reminds me I never eat just burgers or steaks in Brazil, There are all kinds of restaurants serving all kinds of cuisines at various price points.
But getting back to the meat metaphor, for double the money you can go a tier 1 steak house like Rodeio or Pobre Juans where an even better burger and fries will run you a whopping 220 BR. Wow! Scandallo prices. KKK. Actually, I prefer to order steaks at places like Rodeio. It's kind of like the BM who said he would rather pay up and go for the tier 1 stunners in Scandallo than do sexy tier 2 girl next door types. I say, up to you. SP is that kind of town.
All I am trying to say is that there is a boate for nearly everyone's tastes and budget. Be happy and follow your bliss.
SocratesNY
07-24-22, 08:47
Cool report / observations.
In Scandallo They don't carry the brand of whiskey I prefer to drink. I switch to vsop Hennessey. It was funny to see how a few garotas at first glance focused on the snifter glass with Hennesy drink. The masero made with great presentation pouring the drink. Which I didn't need nor cared about.
They shifted their gaze upward to see a Harvey Weinstein slob meets Jabba hut sipping down henny😜 kkkk. Thanks, Socrates for those examples.
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Surprisingly not an extensive whiskey list for a high-end joint. Switch to drinking Hennessy all night.
Seems most of the locals drink JW Blue for blended and Macallan for single malt, so that is the top shelf stuff they carry. They also carry a Macallan 25 or 30 yr rare cask there too, as I was drinking that with some cool Chileans from Santiago back in October.
I wish they had some Yamazaki 18 or 25, but that is hard to get anywhere. Even in Japan.
Glad your trip is going / went well!
SocratesNY
07-24-22, 10:54
To be fair in your comparison, the question is do you pay local price or gringo price? Or do you consider Scandallo similar to McDonald as that is the subject in OP's post
I am not saying OP is correct in regard to price but he was posting what local price is.What I disagree with the OP's post is that I don't think R400-500 is the normal price locals pay in Scandallo for 1 HR, at least for the good looking girls who works at night, especially during the busy weekdays.
I also take issue with OP's all-knowing, passive-aggressive and often times insulting tone and words of his posts. Sounds like a troll to me and I've learned to stop feeding him and put him on ignore already.
I've spoken to many local clients, usually at night, and they tell me it's more. Even the local forums have countless posts of locals paying around R400 to 500 at the lower end boates like Casarao.
I am sure under the right circumstance, a girl at Scandallo can be had for that low price range, but just don't expect that to happen with the hot girls during peak times.
I would say the low to high range most locals have paid at Scandallo for 1 HR can vary between 500 to 1500, but there all depends on all the other variables (hotness of the girl, how experienced the girl is, day and time, how you look and carry yourself, etc.).
If you want to close the deal with most of the hot girls when it's busy, R500 won't cut it 99% of the time.
A more realistic expectation for new visitors is in the R600 to 800 range.
Unless you look like LEO the actor or Justin (either of the singers) and is smooth as Danny Oceans.
What I disagree with the OP's post is that I don't think R400-500 is the normal price locals pay in Scandallo for 1 HR, at least for the good looking girls who works at night, especially during the busy weekdays.
I also take issue with OP's all-knowing, passive-aggressive and often times insulting tone and words of his posts. Sounds like a troll to me and I've learned to stop feeding him and put him on ignore already.
I've spoken to many local clients, usually at night, and they tell me it's more. Even the local forums have countless posts of locals paying around R400 to 500 at the lower end boates like Casarao.
I am sure under the right circumstance, a girl at Scandallo can be had for that low price range, but just don't expect that to happen with the hot girls during peak times.
I would say the low to high range most locals have paid at Scandallo for 1 HR can vary between 500 to 1500, but there all depends on all the other variables (hotness of the girl, how experienced the girl is, day and time, how you look and carry yourself, etc.).
If you want to close the deal with most of the hot girls when it's busy, R500 won't cut it 99% of the time.
A more realistic expectation for new visitors is in the R600 to 800 range.
Unless you look like LEO the actor or Justin (either of the singers) and is smooth as Danny Oceans.Would be great if Nounce could let us know how many times he visited Scandallo and more important when was his last time visiting. I have been there maybe 100 times in the past 2 years, do speak portuguese, here my observation:
The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.
However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.
This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices. In my opinion the quality now is worse than before pandemic, demand for the few top girls therefore higher, while there are always enough customers willing to spend 2-3 k to take them out.
Offering them 400-500 for in-house, they would just laugh and walk away. People who always talk about gringo prices have no idea how SP boates work.
SocratesNY
07-24-22, 11:35
Yeah, one can get a girl for 500-700 R / HR or 1200-1500 R / overnight, the rates many of us would find reasonable, the question is. Will she be top quality? I mean, in the top 5-10% range? 8. 5-10/10? Creme of the creme? I doubt it, and the resent post about 3000 R girl proves it. Girls in high demand ask much higher rates and won't budge. 500-700 R is an entry level rate that would get you a cute girl next door type, but what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account? Makes no sense to me. If one has a coin and is ready to splurge on a smoking hot 9, Scandallo is the place to be.My experience is that the "entry rate" I've paid (R600-800 for 1 HR and R1000 to R1500) is not a starting rate, but what 95+% of the girls that works there consider to be fair / acceptable to them. Of course there are a few exceptions to the rule. As with everything in life.
I usually do not go with any girl that is less than an 8. 5 for my taste, so maybe the girls that I don't find attractive would take less and also perform poorly or just "ok". And they are the starting point.
For my price range, almost all the girls I've taken are 8. 5 to 9. 5's in my book and performed as well as they look back in my hotel.
I do my due diligence in the interview phase to gauge how their personality is and what they might be like in the room. I usually get a good read on the girl when I chat them up and only go with girls I have good chemistry with. I've turned down many hot girls when I didn't "feel it" when we chat.
However, I've also learned that one man's trash is another man's treasure so I would say it isn't fair to say it's pointless to chase GNDs in a classy place like Scandallo. For all I know, I've been taking all the girls that most guy consider ugly, and saving everyone the trouble of having to see / interact them!
You also make a very valid point about other fees that guys should not overlook. Admission, high drink / food costs, room / exit fees, etc. It isn't just the girls compensation that matters.
Price sensitive mongers would be much better off sticking to clinicas.Couldn't agree more. Except add the lower cost boates in there! I visit clinicas too, as there are lots of good looking, great performers to be had in clinicas.
SocratesNY
07-24-22, 12:04
Would be great if Nounce could let us know how many times he visited Scandallo and more important when was his last time visiting. Just to be clear, even though I was quoting Nounce, the OP I and others are referencing is Fewdie. I have much respect for Nounce's insight and logical questions / discussion here.
It is Fewdie, who many of us disagree with. His claim that local prices are currently so low and that anything more is overpaying gringo pricing is simply preposterous and ignorant.
I have been there maybe 100 times in the past 2 years, do speak portuguese, here my observation:
The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.
However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.
This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices. In my opinion the quality now is worse than before pandemic, demand for the few top girls therefore higher, while there are always enough customers willing to spend 2-3 k to take them out.
Offering them 400-500 for in-house, they would just laugh and walk away. Excellent insight and data points.
I've noticed an increase as well from early 2021 to late 2021 and another increase now in mid 2022 with global inflation rampant.
People who always talk about gringo prices have no idea how SP boates work.People who think tourists / gringos set the market in Scandallo are misinformed to the point of being delusional. 95+% of the clients at Scandallo are affluent local Brazilians.
Would be great ....Barsi posted an analogy saying going to Italy to eat at McDonald. I said that is not what FewDie said. Because of that it is not a fair comparison. If I were going to make the same analogy, I would say going to DOM and wanting to pay McDonald price is a better analogy. Do you agree or not agree? Basically, I questioned what was written, I don't question the writers.
... if Nounce could let us know how many times he visited Scandallo and more important when was his last time visiting. ....So do you think my above observation will require my presence to be valid?
Axel Heyst
07-24-22, 14:04
The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.
However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.
This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices. In my opinion the quality now is worse than before pandemic, demand for the few top girls therefore higher, while there are always enough customers willing to spend 2-3 k to take them out.
Offering them 400-500 for in-house, they would just laugh and walk away. People who always talk about gringo prices have no idea how SP boates work.This has been my similar experience in Scandallo in October / November 2021.500 to 600 br in-house for any girl. Then I saw a big price increase on my April / May 2022 trip: 700 to 800 br for tier 2 girls & 1000 to 1500 br for tier 1 girls all in-house. But the girls that I met in 2021 still settled for 500 br in-house in 2022. Their prices to me remained fied, however, KKK, my smart 2021 repeat girls convinced me of the advantages of taking them out of Scandallo for extended playtime. They were still 500 for in-house for me, but 900 br for a relaxed 3 to 4 hour ST at my hotel. And they came directly to my hotel cutting Scandallo out of our new arrangement. I liked this new arrangement with my favorite 2021 gals. The upsell was definitely worth it to me.
During the same time period prices also went up at Bomboa although not as much. In Oct / Nov 2021 all my Bomboa girls settled for 500 br. In April / May 2022 the price had risen to 600 to 700 br.
In April I met a very attractive blond in Bomboa. I gave her 700 br on our 1st in-house session. She is a looker and occasionally advertises on Club Model. After our first time together we both preferred to see each other at my hotel for extended 3 to 4 hour ST at the same price, 700 br. Cutting Bomboa out of our arrangement. I probably broke even on the total cost of our arrangement at my hotel after I add in the cost of a bottle of quality red wine and room service. Ha Ha. On our 5th and final night together, I agreed to having a bisexual lesbian 3 way with her and her sexy girlfriend. I gave 700 br to both girls + we drank a bottle and a half of quality red wine and had a room service dinner for 3. It was a great night. The girls really went at it.
But whatever the cost, I enjoy the benefits of having a girl you like for modified ST in my hotel room. It is a big plus to me.
...what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account?...First you can answer the question yourself. Did you find it at Scandallo when you were there? If so, did you take her out?
This is my answer, I didn't find BMW at all during multiple visits with the presence of other ISGers. I think we all came to similar conclusion so I know it's not just me during that period. One time I stayed to make sure I checked everywhere and everyone until it is near the closing time to pick the best I can find which is a Honda Accord. She asked for 500 BRL which is a fair price for an Accord. LOL.
For me, the value of Scandallo stood out after I have visited all the boates that were open at that period of time. Relatively speaking, it has the best value but pick wisely
Yeah, one can get a girl for 500-700 R / HR or 1200-1500 R / overnight, the rates many of us would find reasonable, the question is. Will she be top quality? I mean, in the top 5-10% range? 8. 5-10/10? Creme of the creme? I doubt it, and the resent post about 3000 R girl proves it. Girls in high demand ask much higher rates and won't budge. 500-700 R is an entry level rate that would get you a cute girl next door type, but what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account? Makes no sense to me. If one has a coin and is ready to splurge on a smoking hot 9, Scandallo is the place to be. Price sensitive mongers would be much better off sticking to clinicas.For the 5-10% range I paid 700 for 1 HR and 1500 for overnight the max I will pay and I tell them that and 95% accept. But I sometimes offer other small gifts which sweetings and closes the deal. I always go to Brasil bearing gifts LOL. Just think of stuff that is super expensive in Brazil or that they can't buy there.
You guys know almost all the girls have a side piece BF (ficando) and if you see some them you wonder wtf she is so hot and he's not. Most of time these guys don't have money and the girls are with them not for money since they make enough but because the way they make them feel.
Not speaking porto is a buzz kill if you can't communicate. 3 sentences later asking how much and you get a high quote you can't wonder oh I'm being robbed. If you tend to always get bloated prices, CBJ, non GFE maybe you should change your approach or the place you visit.
Like I said, if you want a GFE you have to treat them like a GF.
First you can answer the question yourself. Did you find it at Scandallo when you were there? If so, did you take her out?
This is my answer, I didn't find BMW at all during multiple visits with the presence of other ISGers. I think we all came to similar conclusion so I know it's not just me during that period. One time I stayed to make sure I checked everywhere and everyone until it is near the closing time to pick the best I can find which is a Honda Accord. She asked for 500 BRL which is a fair price for an Accord. LOL.
For me, the value of Scandallo stood out after I have visited all the boates that were open at that period of time. Relatively speaking, it has the best value but pick wisely
I definitely understand the allure of Scandallo. The ambiance, nice restaurant, etc. I get it.
You're paying for the fluff, and that's great. I go there once every couple of months.
I'm, however, more of a Casarao guy.
Lots of Ford Pintos there, LOL, however, I almost always find a BMW to my liking. Patience is the key there.
We all have our tastes, and it's all fun. One's individual happiness is what matters, whether it be in fancy Scandallo or a dive in Republica.
There are diamonds to be found at all venues.
As far as pricing goes, whether it be in Scandallo or Casarao, I personally, in conversation, tell the girl what I’m willing to pay.
Just like buying a car, I’m always willing to walk away.
Always friendly and nice, saying I understand she may be able to get more, she’s worth it, I wish her the best, etc, etc, lol.
Normally my price is accepted. I don’t extreme low ball, I just offer what I believe is fair.
I don’t get analytical about it. I don’t graph charts of what was paid in 2005 vs 2022, lol. I just offer what I’m willing to pay
Now for one, I’m in Brazil and Colombia quite frequently, actually tomorrow I’ll be in Chile (finally broke the code there, lol), and secondly, I speak pretty good portuguese, and I’m just naturally a friendly, easy to chat with type.
It’s different for a guy who travels infrequently all the way to Brazil.
I’m sure I’d be willing to up my price as well if that were the case.
I don’t blame anyone for that. It makes sense if you’re stuck frequently in Pussy Prison to not pass something up.
What another guy pays is his business. I don’t care.
We all put a value on what’s in front of us, and go from there.
... nice restaurant, etc. ...
One of the things I didn't like about Scandallo was the lousy food. The consumable part of the cover charge was a dead loss for me except for a cup of coffee which I needed to synergise with the Viagra. On my last visit front desk asked me "you still have 200 reais credit, why don't you get something before leaving?". I mumbled some excuse about not being hungry. Scandallo food was much worse than what I could get at any shopping mall food court.
What about the music? I don't remember any special music. No samba, no afro-brazilian rhythm to be sure. This is not just a Scandallo problem though. Good old Brazilian music (and dancing!) is not longer popular with Brazilian youth. A pity.
Scandallo food was much worse than what I could get at any shopping mall food.I don't know what you ordered, but I strongly beg to differ. I know I've had a decent steak and some good sushi there. In no way is the food there at the same quality as your run of the mill mall food court offerings. And if you think it is, then I would like to see what malls you've been going to! I've always had much better quality than that to eat at Scandallo.
One of the things I didn't like about Scandallo was the lousy food. The consumable part of the cover charge was a dead loss for me except for a cup of coffee which I needed to synergise with the Viagra. On my last visit front desk asked me "you still have 200 reais credit, why don't you get something before leaving?". I mumbled some excuse about not being hungry. Scandallo food was much worse than what I could get at any shopping mall food court.
What about the music? I don't remember any special music. No samba, no afro-brazilian rhythm to be sure. This is not just a Scandallo problem though. Good old Brazilian music (and dancing!) is not longer popular with Brazilian youth. A pity.Hmmm, I always enjoyed the meal there, and the music was ok for me as well, tho not the classic Brazillian as you said.
At least they don't play that Funk that drives me bats, LOL.
Houston Player
07-24-22, 20:13
One of the things I didn't like about Scandallo was the lousy food. The consumable part of the cover charge was a dead loss for me except for a cup of coffee which I needed to synergise with the Viagra. On my last visit front desk asked me "you still have 200 reais credit, why don't you get something before leaving?". I mumbled some excuse about not being hungry. Scandallo food was much worse than what I could get at any shopping mall food court..I totally disagree with your assessment. Food court? Please this just shows how much you are exaggerating. I found the Scandallo sushi roll, salmon shasimi, fila apertivo and the grilled Salmon to be very good.
Vagabundo1
07-24-22, 21:32
Scandallo food and fine dining.
A fellow ISGer and one of the great wingmen, JimmyBoy, was of the opinion that the main value of going to Scandallo is to use the entrance fee to eat a good meal, and that the food was good.
Of course, JimmyBOy and I tend to concur that the best bang for the buck in SP is in the clinicas, like Miruna in Moema, where you can find real porn stars like Kamila Werneck (retired, though she still tramps around).
https://www.xvideos.com/models/kamilla-werneck#_tabVideos.
For the price of. What, 250 reais or so, which is 50 US Dollars, which is the main reason to come to Brazil, to find those diamonds in the clinicas who are true porn star quality. Another porn star who worked at Miruna was Cindy Blueberry. JimmyBoy is also savvy enough to write reviews on the local forums to get the discounts, truly a use of one's time posting these reviews that yields real, tangible economic benefits!
I concur, but I prefer the Sushi at that great all you can eat place that the late, great, and still remembered Alto Bom Gosto, ABG, used to take new guests to SP to in the heart of Japan town. I will look up the name.
I totally disagree with your assessment. Food court? Please this just shows how much you are exaggerating. I found the Scandallo sushi roll, salmon shasimi, fila apertivo and the grilled Salmon to be very good.
I went to Prime Sunday afternoon around 1 pm, good lineup on wassap. Nice to know Murina and Prime are open Sunday with a solid lineup by checking before showing up.
Thanks for the protip guys and the gas station tip. Yup, they sell my brand of whiskey in travel size.
At the corner gas station. Bought a bunch to drink in the Clinicas.
At Prime Karen and Ariella were available. As previous forum posters highly recommended those garotas. I grabbed both for duplo. Got to jump on the good ones quickly. Prime seemed to be packed with five or six guys soon after opening on Sunday. Thanks, Nebulousity for the clinca strategy.
I session with both garotas earlier in the week. So knew them to be outstanding performers.
I wasn't let down. The duo was the best session of the trip.
They did porno-style mind-blowing, toe curling, never-ending deepthroat BJ forever.
Don't get the pricing at prime. The friendly cool older blonde charged me $350 for the hour with both of them. ? A fantastico deal. Karen the blonde and Ariella my coca cream work well together. Both have been referenced on gpgua and here. They sloppy shared the sucking, tongues licking at the same time over the dick. Kissing and tonguing each other. My dick solidly in between both mouths. Shared ice cream cone sucking. Even better, none of the wiping off the dick between slurping. Nope direct sloppy salvia and cum sharing on my dick without stopping for 45 min solid. I had them change positions a few times. By ten minutes into they took over, no instructions needed. They did their own rotating between rimming and deepthroat gagging same time. Took turns pushing each other heads down for deepthroat face f*cking.
Every space in the room, chairs, table, beds, twelve towels, six-bed spreads, the couch, floor, and window sill covered with a sloppy mess.
Haha. Kkkk. Rsrs. Top-level service.
At Prime, I still can't figure out the pricing. This time the loud friendly older lady only charged me are $350 for the hour with two garotas doing insane Duplo.
Scandallo random.
In my mind, I thought scandallo would be similar to Hong Kong in Tijuana for closing hours. Never really closed. I finished a session at 0500 am Sunday morning. We exit the room, whoah, the cashiers are gone, and the hallway lights are turned off. I used the phone light to walk around. The entire lobby was completely dark. No cashiers, no garotas, nada, no dozens of maseros, no half dozen security guys buzzing around. Doors slammed shut. The parking gate pulled down. The place was completely dark. Locked inside. The chica and I started wandering around the lobby using my phone light to eventually find a security guy to let us out. She had her car parked inside and drove off soon as the gates were activated. No goodbyes. Left my ass to find a uber. There ends my Scandallo trip. Thanks, JZelezlznik for the useful report and Alex Heyst.
Go back to what I called the original post. "Finding Value".Actually, I called if "Finding Worth". Same difference.
Thanks for all interesting tibits on BA. As a recent frequent traveler to SP, Buenos Aires has intrigued me.
BA has many pluses for me. It is a short hop away, is a large cosmopolitan city (lots of good restaurants, high end hotels and presumably decent infrastructure) and Spanish speaking (My Spanish is way better than my Porto).
However, the ISG Argentina forums is a graveyard for recent info. The confusing / more complex exchange rate system (having to use Western Union or street black market for best rates) is an annoying obstacle.
There also doesn't seem to be places like Scandallo in BA. I prefer to see the girl in person and interact with her to see if we have chemistry and whether my service requests can be met by her. That is why I usually avoid online incall / outcalls escorts and usually only use brothels / clinicas as a backup option. At least in those, you can see how a girl really looks in person before deciding.
I also don't have the time or flexibility to go the SB / Seeking route. I am usually only in the city for a few days at a time so it's not the best ROI for my limited time.
I know this is the SP forum, but due to the recent discussion by knowledgeable BA mongers, I want to ask:
If I was looking to make a 2-3 day side trip to BA from SP.
1) Are there hobbying venues like Scandallo, strip clubs, etc. That you can meet and chat up a girl before taking her back to your hotel?
2) Is the average service level comparable to Brazil?
3) is Western Union the best way to get a good rate on ARS? I presume I shouldn't send more than I expect to use, as it'll be very difficult to impossible to switch back to USD.
4) Are the nice 5 star hotels in BA girl friendly?
5) Do the nice hotels and restaurants accept ARS or only USD due to their inflation? I figure if I use a credit card and pay in either ARS or USD, I would be getting the shitty "official" rate.
6) With all the extra logistical obstacles BA has compared to SP, is it even worth it to go for a short trip, especially when the cost of hobbying there seems comparable.
It seems that if I decide to go, my main expectations should be to explore the city and eat at some nice restaurants, with hobbying playing second fiddle. Or am I wrong?
Feel free to DM me if it's more appropriate.I just returned from BA and a few other cities, was skiing with family so I cannot answer all.
1) Are there hobbying venues like Scandallo, strip clubs, etc. That you can meet and chat up a girl before taking her back to your hotel?
Not sure on current mongering spots, as I was with family. Lots of massage flyers everywhere. I did notice some BA providers in Massage Republic quote in pesos, today I saw some at 10,000-15,000 pesos. (10,000 today is about $32). In dollars they quoted $100 ish.
2) Is the average service level comparable to Brazil?
I have been there 5-6 times, half the sex workers are Brazilian and Uruguayan anyway. I have found Brazilians better providers.
3) is Western Union the best way to get a good rate on ARS? I presume I shouldn't send more than I expect to use, as it'll be very difficult to impossible to switch back to USD.
Bring cash, WU is a backup if you are uncomfortable bringing cash or need more than 10 K and are traveling alone.
You can definitely change back at a price 10%-15% less than you were given (less the peso market change as well). I found in BA use Calle Florida, it totally safe or there is a great spot in Puerto Madero that actually pays about 6 cents more. , it is on Hilton side of the water, on the pedestrian walk next to the water about 4-5 doors down from Central Market. Every decent sized city I went to had street money changers, though they offered close to 10% less than BA. Usually outside of BA there were 3-4 people, seemed to be a Cambio Mafia with price fixing. One good tip is to insist on 1,000 peso notes, they will stick you with 200 and 500 if you let them. Only bring perfect $100 bills, preferably with a blue stripe. Imperfect bills with small imoerfections will either not be accepted or will be offered much less.
4) Are the nice 5 star hotels in BA girl friendly?
I always stay at either Hilton or Alvear Palace and have never had issues. The Hilton is especially good as the elevators do not require a key to access.
5) Do the nice hotels and restaurants accept ARS or only USD due to their inflation? I figure if I use a credit card and pay in either ARS or USD, I would be getting the shitty "official" rate.
I would advise.
Never prepay your hotel in dollars. Either reserve now pay later on Booking.com or another OTA or book through a major hotel chains website, only putting up your card as a guarantee. I paid every hotel in Pesos, I think you pay a local tax but the discount is about 50%. AirBnB and VRBO properties only want to be paid via international credit card in foreign currency as the money likely never touches an Argentine bank.
Pay every restaurant in pesos.
For domestic air travel, you can pay Aerolineas Argentinas in pesos but they are more expensive than the more popular "ULCCs" who only sell online. I was able to make a deal with a Calle Florida exchange office to use his local debit card for flights and meet him halfway between the official rate and the blue rate. I wish I had time to figure out transatlantic 1st Class at a 50% discount.
For Uber switch to cash for the trip.
6) With all the extra logistical obstacles BA has compared to SP, is it even worth it to go for a short trip, especially when the cost of hobbying there seems comparable.
Financially it is a great time to go, but the BA weather is close to freezing.
People here seems to think that Scandallo is "heaven" or something and thinks it has sooooo many beautiful people. The false / enhanced illusion is coming from the high quality sound of the music, ambient / lighting, good restaurant, the elegant clothings, and their makeup. Take all of that away and once you push everyone of them in to a swimming pool, they will be coming up looking like everyone else you see in the bottom half of the country which is where the majority of them came from. Scandallo is fun but overexagerated like eating that Big Mac and fries for the first time.
SocratesNY
07-25-22, 12:39
I totally disagree with your assessment. Food court? Please this just shows how much you are exaggerating. I found the Scandallo sushi roll, salmon shasimi, fila apertivo and the grilled Salmon to be very good.I also found the food at Scandallo to be very good, at least what I ordered.
I usually order some fritters to snack or the filet mignon when I want a real meal. Their caldo capeletti is also a good option for hot comfort food.
The sushi is high quality, almost similar to Nakka. I don't know which all you can eat Sushi place Vagabundo1 is referring to, but a local Asian girl who is a big foodie took me to this place in Libertade and it was very good:
http://www.tankarestaurante.com.br/
On a final note, you can also use your consumption on tobacco products (cigarettes, cigars or e-cigarettes / vape).
SocratesNY
07-25-22, 12:55
At Prime, I still can't figure out the pricing. This time the loud friendly older lady only charged me are $350 for the hour with two garotas doing insane Duplo.
You got the "Four hands" special. A few clinicas offer it. Not sure if it's all the time or only on days they advertise it.
Scandallo random.
In my mind, I thought scandallo would be similar to Hong Kong in Tijuana for closing hours. Never really closed. I finished a session at 0500 am Sunday morning. We exit the room, whoah, the cashiers are gone, and the hallway lights are turned off. I used the phone light to walk around. The entire lobby was completely dark. No cashiers, no garotas, nada, no dozens of maseros, no half dozen security guys buzzing around. Doors slammed shut. The parking gate pulled down. The place was completely dark. Locked inside. The chica and I started wandering around the lobby using my phone light to eventually find a security guy to let us out. She had her car parked inside and drove off soon as the gates were activated. No goodbyes. Left my ass to find a uber. There ends my Scandallo trip. Thanks, JZelezlznik for the useful report and Alex Heyst.Wow. Sems like they forgot about you guys! Like stories of people locked in Walmart because they took a long shit in the bathroom and found the place all shuttered when they came out.
Did you not have to pay for the room or your admission / consumption that night? Or did they find someone to settle your bill?
I had a few FKK sessions that ended when the club was closing. But it was the opposite. The club went from a semi dark environment to. All the lights being on. And I felt blinded!
Just trying to apply some more logic to the pricing strategy. LOL.
...here my observation:
The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.
...So what changed? One change is the club has been remodeled. Similar event occurred at La Isla in Medellin, that the cover is increased by 400% and the drink prices have increased significantly. Both places have no shortage of customers, so the price is not likely to come down. BTW, I have been to both places after remodel.
...However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.
...Session in La Isla is fixed price. How does a better looking girl make more money? One short answer is she will have more working opportunities at a given night. Her income is proportional to the number of sessions she has.
One possibility in the change of pricing structure, is some girl decided that they can/want to get the same amount of money with less work / sex. And that is fueled by mongers who want exclusive access. Another ISGer reminded me that sharing is cheaper that was the old way he is used to.
So when I take the above into consideration, FewDie's post have some truth to it. I am not saying I agree with everything he said.
If you have been to some of the KTVs in Asia, especially the high end ones. There is a sharing price that a girl will visit different tables/rooms for a fixed amount of time then move on. This is cheaper. If one decides to keep a girl and not allow the girl to be shared with others, then one has to pay a premium, and commits to a minimum number of hours regardless the amount of time you spent there.
...This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices....Although there are girls telling me some locals pay that and I believe it but I won't genialize it. I think people are responding negatively to FewDie's generalization in his posts.
... Girls in high demand ask much higher rates and won't budge. 500-700 R is an entry level rate that would get you a cute girl next door type, but what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account? Makes no sense to me... Fair ask, fair question. With all these analogies to food or cars, it's become something of a enigma as to what BMs are really trying to say.
Is it fair to say, you want to find "model/high-end" type women at Scandallo (a place befitting of such beauties), in abundance (meaning wayyyyy less avg. Girls) and at a reasonable price, that don't disappoint/perform well. (I think you mentioned this before). My apologies if I got any or all the above wrong.
Hmmm.... It may appear at a glance that Scandallo may not be your ideal place to find what your looking for and there are no guarantees that paying higher prices translates to performing well. (ie. Lot of starfishes to be found at higher prices, as well as at lower prices).
NOTE: Very nice Scandallo Truman's Triangle though: 1. Model/high-end girls, 2. In abundance/less avg. Girls and 3.Reasonable price/preform well.
What I did find of interest, in your post, was the dismissal of average looking girls (well dismissal may not be the right word), perhaps more of a brushoff. But, for a guy like me (nice body 1st), that naturally works in my favour, as "average looking" girls with great bodies and a good attitude is right up my ally.
The other thought or point of interest, is that these "average looking" girls provide a vital and necessary service, that is often overlooked. For me at any rate, I see them in an entirely different light.
Things to consider if she's an "Avg. Looking girl":
Consider her akin to a fluffer at a porn shoot (...kkkk!)
Great confidence builder, if you lack "whatever", when around Brazilian women
Great practice material for when you step up to the big-stage with those high-end "model" types
Consider working on those negotiating skills
Avg. girls with more attitude and personality then looks, are absolute fun to past the time, if you wish to chill for a while and shot the shit
"Casual chilling" with Avg. girls (naturally with a nice body and a good attitude), while waiting for something better, in my experience, has numerous times, ended up being a fantastic time, in and out of bed.
IMHO I've found them very eager to please, with a more service oriented attitude.
Just something to consider (given you have the time and/or willingness), when you're not quite seeing what you want in a place like Scandallo. But to each their own.
... We all have our tastes, and it's all fun. One's individual happiness is what matters, whether it be in fancy Scandallo or a dive in Republica.
There are diamonds to be found at all venues. ... My sentiments exactly.
SamaRiding
07-26-22, 01:21
You got the "Four hands" special. A few clinicas offer it. Not sure if it's all the time or only on days they advertise it.The four hands clinica special is usually much less than the double the single girl price. Prime previously advertised On WhatsApp a 300 r four hands deal, which was crazy, considering the 1 hour 1 girl price was 250 r. I think it's now 350 r everyday which is still a deal. Be careful which girls you pick, some girls work better with other girls. Jade with Karen I heard was a good combo, or Jade with any other girl! I have had good Duo success with picking one or both girls who I previously had great sessions and know very well. Though not expect too much interactions between the girls.
Unfortunately this year the Sao Paulo Auto Salon will not take place during the F1 Interlagos week. So, this screenshot story from videos is a great reminder of those days.
I saw this lovely brunette promo model in the event, she was one that gave me her WhatsApp number with no much hesitation, she wasn't my favorite TBH until I saw her pics on her insta. Dam! She was a true bomb! Incredible butt as you can see. Then I proposed her to shoot a few pics in my Pinheiros app where I set a small studio with flashes and white background. She was just incredible, a round peach butt the way I like them. The first shoot it was just sexy bikini lingerie pics. She was very fun an relaxed, enjoyed excersing her beauty, posing and bending over and let me do extreme close ups to her ass, her natural firm ass and her very very well made fake tits. Oh god, my dick ended super hard, of course she noticed it under my pants.
That very night, I proposed her a second shoot this time in a motel, so my proposal would be easy to understand. She agreed and agreed US $300 after having asked 400 dollars. We met in a cafe around 6 pm, we talked for a while and then we headed to a motel. A motel she already knew!! LOL when we walked up the stairs, I saw her great ass in those yoga pants, I was like in heaven, such and incredible bikini babe. She closed the bathroom and dressed with a tiny black bikini, then she showed in the room with that bathrobe, then the shooting started. She finally asked me to leave my camera when I started to oil her body and ass, then everything rolled the way it should be. We ended up in the jacuzzi and then fucking on the carpet. Very strong unorthodox sex, the way I like it.
You can see her lips have like a bubble to the right side, and of course, the tattoo of some sort of plant few inches from her right hip, so it's the same girl the entire footage.
It took time, yes, almost two weeks patient since I met her at the event, and around US $750 for the two sessions for her. More expensive than two session with a Top escort in SP? Maybe, but the experience was simply unforgettable.
I wanted my dick inside that ass. And I know about asses.
If people are just looking for model / high end / elite girls or whatever you want to call them, the numbers will range from zero to about 3 a night there. Better to check online ads and those sites where there are more. Save yourself some time instead of going through everything at Scandallo and might not even see any and leave disappointed.
TedFerguson
07-26-22, 02:45
Following up on my plan to try Scandallo as it was meant to be experienced, I showed up just before 7 pm on Thursday night (which various girls have said to be the most popular). While walking around the club, I finally saw a girl which triggered my "go" instinct. We had a good conversation, then went up for my first room experience at the club. Overall it was ok. She was hot by my standards (maybe 8. 5) but the experience itself was methodical and clinical mostly despite the good conversation and initial chemistry. We exchanged contact information.
I had a nice chat with a guy from Miami on a business trip (the social highlight of the evening). And then found the girl I sessioned with 3 x last week (the cold, hot one). She was mildly warmer as my Portuguese improved and I decided to take her up the rooms as well because I wanted another go before going home. Again, hot, but methodical and clinical. I actually asked why she was cold, and she said that's just her way while working and she wouldn't be with her boyfriend (when she has one). Respectable choice, albeit unprofessional.
What's the conclusion? Unless you've had a few drinks or the girl is not hot, the hot ones seem to be mediocre experiences. I did not leave particularly satisfied. I suspect the guys who rave about the performance here are either drinking or not going after the hot girls.
Another notable observation is that after coming down around 10:30-11 pm, the club had changed completely. People were no longer outside drinking and smoking, but inside at the party area. There were also way more women, including some very hot (but blonde) ones with smoking bodies. Maybe these are the girls who actually provide good service and are hot? Will come back on a later day to test this theory out.
Encouraged by my good conversation with the first girl, I invited her to my hotel on Friday. This was the best conversation and best sex so far with a Scandallo girl. I decided to book her for the next two days, which turned out to be a big mistake. While we hit up some good restaurants on Saturday, she became progressively more bored (using Instagram more often) and put less effort into sex or conversation. Maybe I'm getting older but it seems Instagram is a plague on a person's personality, either making them utterly bored with normal conversations or care about meaningless crap memes.
It didn't matter that I was interested in her life, trying to understand what she wanted and offering what ideas I had that might help. She was dead bored (20 years old) and I ended up letting her go early on Sunday morning after she decided she didn't like kissing. I also made the rookie mistake of paying her for both days on Sunday morning (before the second day was over). Both the girls I saw at Scandallo, despite being hot, generally failed to put in much effort to the experience. It reminded me of the kids who didn't like being at school, just showing up and getting by with as little effort as possible. Probably the mindset of a lot of escorts.
I ended up scheduling with a girl from a sugar dating site, and she flaked. Then I scheduled a second girl from the same site, and she was completely different from her pictures. Great conversation (the best of any girl) but she was quite average and enthusiasm never makes up for that (for me). Basically the rest of the day was a disaster However, I'm doing a new thing now where I tell them to send me a 5-10 second video where they say Hi to me using my name. I'm hoping this will weed out some of the fake accounts and fake pictures. We'll see. I've tried to do video calls before but these turn into as much of a production to schedule as the date itself to the point where it's not practical.
I have another sugar date scheduled for tomorrow and likely one for Wednesday. If these don't work out, I'll use Scandallo as a backup (or Bomboa, which is now walking distance from my Airbnb). Sampa continues to provide so many options, it's hard not to love it here.
Barsi posted an analogy saying going to Italy to eat at McDonald. I said that is not what FewDie said. Because of that it is not a fair comparison. If I were going to make the same analogy, I would say going to DOM and wanting to pay McDonald price is a better analogy. Do you agree or not agree? Basically, I questioned what was written, I don't question the writersI feel like Jesus H Christ having to explain my analogies like when he had to explain his parables to his own people.
FewD said he wasn't talking about only Scandallo and SP. He was talking about Brazil as a whole and so was I. He said the locals pay 500 and anything over that is gringo prices. I said you really limit yourself with that kind of self imposed budget.
My comparisons of restaurants in Italy=girls in Brazil. There are many to choose from and all come at different prices. Some start at $ and go to $$ Some guys think it's worth it and some don't. McDonald's=clinicas. Set prices and decent experience but limited and sometimes more than not same old options on the menu. You can spend 500 or so to have a clinica girl come spend the night with you but sometimes you find that these girls are just good for 1 HR worth of fun and not much else. You expand your horizon a bit and you find some girls who are very intelligent, funny and have real goals in their lives that you like spending time with, hell the sex is just a cherry on the top. Point is there are many different options and in the land of GFE and PSE you should definitely explore your options.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTgYOQ8XRdY&ab_channel=SenpaiKai
This video of how michelin star chef cut their onions adds another layer to what I'm saying.
There is more attention to detail as little as cutting the onion to enhance your food as a whole and your experience. I would say that would equate to how a girl gives great BBBJ with eye contact and great technique.
There are more faster and easier way to cut the same onion but that could leave with a less enhanced experience like a girl with CBJ or very mechanical lazy technique.
It's still a BJ and gets the job done but it's the details that really makes or breaks it.
I'm not saying paying more gives you a better a experience as I think we all have gone to a high end restaurant and had a sub par experience like they microwaved your food (London has got to be the worst place for fine dining just FYI).
But more often than not you'll check the reviews and see 5 stars after 5 stars glowing reviews and see that they live up to a certain reputation for a reason.
Just like food some of us romanticize the other pleasures of life and the other side of man: women. Some guys just see a hole and any will do. Like a meal is just a daily calorie intake, sex is just another way to get off. Sometimes I like my steaks in a good looking joint in a high rise over looking the city with some nice piano in the background just sizzling. Sometimes I like my girls the same. I like a sense of adventure and a worth while story to tell. Like the one german blonde blue eye garota that was so smitten that she spent a whole week free of charge in rio, cooking and cleaning and taking care of all my needs. unforgettable and priceless.
As someone who has tried pretty much all the big boates, prives and termas in SP and Rio and online girls I can say there is lots of options and you should try as much as you can and see for yourself what's out there.
To each their own but just for the new guys, do what you please and don't limit your fun.
Most of us have already paid a girl 1200 BRL just to session in Scandallo albeit just not directly (400 Entrance, 500 girl fee, 230 Room, 70 Uber ride round trip back home).
God forbid we give them that money directly, it's not like they need it. They're just dumb working girls, everyone of them (NOTE: the writer would like to point out this is sarcasm because some folks are very dense).
That's my piece and I end it there.
Talk amongst yourselves.
FIN.
HarvestBoi
07-26-22, 05:39
Great report. Kudos for scoring a Fisha Rosa. More talked about than accomplished. I posted it as a report of distinction.
Unfortunately this year the Sao Paulo Auto Salon will not take place during the F1 Interlagos week. So, this screenshot story from videos is a great reminder of those days.
I saw this lovely brunette promo model….
I wanted my dick inside that ass. And I know about asses.
Jimmy Boy 99
07-26-22, 09:24
Snip.
At Prime, I still can't figure out the pricing. This time the loud friendly older lady only charged me are $350 for the hour with two garotas doing insane Duplo.
Snip.When you do a dupla, they only add the second girl's fee to the one girl rate, thus 250 for one girl and 350 for two girls.
I feel like Jesus H. Christ having to explain my analogies like when he had to explain his parables to his own people.I'll tell you what. I'm not dying on no cross to save mongerdom! I know that much! LOLOLOL!
I feel like Jesus H Christ having to explain my analogies like when he had to explain his parables to his own people."Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't need to follow me! You don't need to follow anybody! You've got to think for.
Yourselves! You're all individuals!
"You're all different!
"You all got to work it out for yourselves!
(sorry, but I was come over with a bit of film nostalgia by your reference to Jesus having to explain everything to the masses.).
I feel like Jesus H Christ having to explain my analogies like when he had to explain his parables to his own people.....Is this the post that started all this?
Guys guys comon. Scandallo. 400 or 500 MAX!! If they don't agree and wants something over then they probably don't like you. If they don't like you then its not worth it. Even if the dollar is 10 reais. We can can get so much for 400-500.I thought I understood what you are saying metaphorically. Now I don't really know what you are trying to say with the McDonald's example or what else. But your latest reply makes me think what you originally (earlier post) are saying is this. Assume I am a foodie, I should choose the expensive Brazilin food over cheap Brazilian food because the cheap food is not as good as expensive food?
The reason I replace McDocnald's with Brazilin food is because I don't come to Brazil for US fast food.
You associate McDocnald's with Clinica in your latest post.
...Donald's=clinicas....
This also change my understanding of your original post.
It's like going to Italy and saving money by eating at McDonald's since it's the most economical thing around instead of he multiple local delicious restaurants that serves the best food Italy has to offer and what it's known famous for!
NapataJohn
07-26-22, 15:05
Anyone here taken a Scandallo girl for a weekend trip to Santos? Is 3000 BRL a good price for the weekend?
Thanks for the quote HarvestBoi. It took time, patient and money yeah, but the reward was an ass to remember.
I have the luck to have scored great model type ficha rosas, from Brazil and abroad. When my schedule doesn't allow me at least an entire week to travel, I book a model and bring her to my city.
Sometimes girls just want to travel to know newer places and experiences. Money is just a part of negotiation. Am I in the category of sugar daddy? I guess not, no romance at all with them. If everything goes well, she will recommend her friends for sure.
My personal voyage is erotics, beauty, sex and visuals. It's an experience to book the model's hotel, tickets, lovel clothes, dinner, and stuff. But you also have to take care when her menstruation comes, among many other things. Everything has its pros an cons. But that is what contracts are made for.
If Mahoma can't go to the mountain, the mountain comes to Mahoma. Like the old saying.
Great report. Kudos for scoring a Fisha Rosa. More talked about than accomplished. I posted it as a report of distinction.
I'll tell you what. I'm not dying on no cross to save mongerdom! I know that much! LOLOLOL!Do you know Surfer over in Medellin thread? He flies business class but only mongers in El Centro. The last time I know someone bought first class or business class ticket is USD6000 in person at a counter. Will you pay that amount out of your pocket to fly? If you say it is absolutely Yes here, I will believe you. The reason I ask this because it shows the problem with what I perceive as generalization which is a mistake.
The reason I replied because I think there is unfairness in the analogy. I took the analogy as saying FewDie (who I assume is from US) is in Brazil to get US food that he can already get in US. If you are going to punish the guilty, at least get the offense right. This applies to me too.
My post was criticized and was asked to announce my recent presence in Brazil to validate my post. I don't even go down that route to make others look bad. LOLOLOL!
Guys guys comon. Scandallo. 400 or 500 MAX!! ...If you can choose any girl you want in Brazil, is there a girl you will pay 1500 BRL/hr for?
Do you know Surfer over in Medellin thread. He flies business class but only mongers in El Centro? The last time I know someone bought first class or business class ticket is USD6000 in person at a counter. Will you pay that amount out of your pocket to fly? If you say it is absolutely Yes here, I will believe you. The reason I ask this because it shows the problem with what I perceive as generalization which is a mistake.
The reason I replied because I think there is unfairness in the analogy. I took the analogy as saying FewDie (who I assume is from US) is in Brazil to get US food that he can already get in US. If you are going to punish the guilty, at least get the offense right. This applies to me too.Again, you seem to be missing my point there, which was a narrow one. Let me say it another way. That part of what I wrote was really only mainly an aside about how the value that people place on a good or service can change because of an experience they had. And that's it. You seem to keep wanting to make it about something more than that. It's not. But to answer your question, yes! As long as I can afford to pay for First Class of Business Class and still monger where I want to for as much and as long as I want to then yes. I will pay that kind of money out of my own pocket. I can, I have, and I will again in the future. But you won't see me buying at the counter though! I typically plan my travel well in advance and score good deals. There are so many good deals out there if you plan and know what you're doing (and can be flexible)! I still can't believe some of the airfare deals I've scored landing me in First Class / Business Class seats!
But even still to be totally transparent, I don't have to do that (pay with cash) every single time though because I've traveled a lot and I have a ton of miles as well (so regarding the miles I guess you can say I paid indirectly for First Class by paying to fly a lot in the first place resulting in all of those miles). Miles which I use strategically and judiciously. Sometimes I'm going to pay with cash, and sometimes I'm going to dip into my mileage balances and pay with one of those. But generally speaking yes, it's worth it to me to pay that money as long as I can afford to. And as I said. I can, I have, and I will. It wasn't always that way believe me! Like I said once before, I thought I would be stuck in back in "cattle class" forever. However, in the last near 7 years I managed to "break out" and saw my net worth explode!. There are guys here of all kinds of backgrounds and of varying economic means. Some have the coin to fly First / Business Class and monger in the "Scandallos" of the world if they wish, besides going to only the lower cost destinations like "El Centro" in Medellin or "Santa Fe" in Bogota (which is also a good idea as a part of one's overall trip plan).
So, let us not assume nor generalize about that either (the level of economic means possessed by the members of this board). There are def some here who have more than me no question. I'd say, based on my years of reading here, that I'm probably in the upper middle of the range. It's not just what you've earned that matters either. Just as important is what you've managed to keep!
If you can choose any girl you want in Brazil, is there a girl you will pay 1500 BRL/hr for?That's rather a silly question. Tiazinha in her prime immediately comes to mind.
For a solid 10 in beauty and bed, it's a good price. Maybe 2500 plus expenses, like transportation, meals and lodging.
Anyone here taken a Scandallo girl for a weekend trip to Santos? Is 3000 BRL a good price for the weekend?
Axel Heyst
07-27-22, 03:03
Cane, I get what you are saying.
It is all about what one wants limited only by what one can afford. I estimate that I am likely in the upper middle to upper range of ISG'ers financially speaking too. But that does not mean I have unlimited finances. I wish I did, but I don't. So, what do I want to do with my spending money? Well, in order of importance to me:
#1. I like to travel 3 to 4 months per year and punt as often as I like (usually 1 or 2 times a day) when I am in one of my favorite countries.
#2. I want to shag the prettiest, sexiest girls available. I don't care how much they cost as long as what they are asking me is in the ballpark price range for the venue and quality of girl I am fooling around with. That means I will pay market price for a Scandallo tier 1 girl anytime I want a tier 1 Scandallo girl and I will pay market price for a clinica girl anytime I want a clinica girl and I will do any girl in between if I want her.
#3. Given I have adequate cash set aside for #1 and #2 (my highest priorities), I prefer to stay in 5* hotels and then 4* hotels. I have various hotel CC's and Gold and Platinum memberships with Marriott, Hyatt, Hilton, so I get a lot of breaks on price with these boys like free point nights and free voucher nights plus these chains usually upgrade my reservation upon check-in to Excecutive class rooms and throw in free breakfasts. For example, I stayed at the SP Hyatt for 6 nights gratis in May and they upgraded my reservation to their 1 bedroom suite. It was a great deal.
On my upcoming 6 week SP trip this fall I have booked 6 nights at the Renaissance, 5 nights at the Hyatt, and 4 nights at the Hilton all on points. That still leaves a lot of nights unaccounted for and unfortunately, SP hotel rates have gone through the roof since I was last in town and I am not willing to shell out $200 to $300 per night on a 5 star hotel room. No problem, I have made reservations at some very nice 4 star hotels for around $100 per night. There is nothing wrong with my 4 stars. In fact, the rooms are quite nice and spacious and they have balconies which comes in handy on those nights when I am entertaining one of my sexy marijuanitas or she is entertaining me. KKK. Anyway, I think I made my point. I cut back on non-necessary expenses when I have to. If money were no object, I wouldn't care what the Renaissance or the Hyatt were charging and I would stay there.
#4. Plane travel: this is where my budget really hits the fan. I can't afford to do all that I want to do with #1, and #2 without being frugal on airfare. I like 1st class and business class especially on 24 hour flights to Thailand and the PI. But I can't afford everything on my list so no 1st class or business class for me. I do have miles with the big 3 US carriers and therefore I can usually fly coach for free except that extended legroom is a necessity for me, so I always pay cash for the upgrade. BTW, I hate flying and I especially hate flying coach, but flying 1st class would mean cutting back on #1 the length of my trips or # 2 the quality or quantity of my girls which is out of the question. Ha Ha.
So, that is how I prioritize my travel expenses based on my preferences and constrained only by my finances. I never spend more than I can afford to pay off on the due date. Nobody has exactly the same preferences or the same constraints. So, we all plan differently, but we all want to have the best time that we can afford.
No, the market and inflation are not even close to that level yet. 1 k for the whole day and if they don't agree, I can find someone else at the same quality / level / whatever or even better who would agree. Whether at Scandallo or other venues / clubs / bars / sites / etc. No I'm not talking about clinicas level and will never go to places like that. I don't get that "fear of missing out" because I know there are so many that would. Once the market moves up there then yes I would.
If you can choose any girl you want in Brazil, is there a girl you will pay 1500 BRL/hr for?
All of the McDonalds in Brazil are a lot fancier, cleaner, and higher end than the ones in the US. I still would never pay 40 reais for a Big Mac when its 2. 5 dollars in the US. With 40 reais, you can get a really good healthy quality meal.
I think I see what went wrong with the one on Friday and the one that you mentioned is "cold". Its not your fault or hers. Its more of the language barrier because Brazilians express themselves and communicate different in portuguese than in English. They use a lot of slangs and expressions when they speak with lots of humor while in english it's more straight forward. Many of them can speak basic english but they are like a completely different person when its in English or in Portuguese. Similar to speaking with the french, we have to be FRENCH FLUENT to have a great conversation with them or else they arent that interested. Also know that 2 days is actually a very long time. Unless you have a lot of activities aligned, the conversation will get dry very quickly.
Following up on my plan to try Scandallo as it was meant to be experienced, I showed up just before 7 pm on Thursday night (which various girls have said to be the most popular). While walking around the club, I finally saw a girl which triggered my "go" instinct. We had a good conversation, then went up for my first room experience at the club. Overall it was ok. She was hot by my standards (maybe 8. 5) but the experience itself was methodical and clinical mostly despite the good conversation and initial chemistry. We exchanged contact information.
I had a nice chat with a guy from Miami on a business trip (the social highlight of the evening). And then found the girl I sessioned with 3 x last week (the cold, hot one). She was mildly warmer as my Portuguese improved and I decided to take her up the rooms as well because I wanted another go before going home. Again, hot, but methodical and clinical. I actually asked why she was cold, and she said that's just her way while working and she wouldn't be with her boyfriend (when she has one). Respectable choice, albeit unprofessional.
What's the conclusion? Unless you've had a few drinks or the girl is not hot, the hot ones seem to be mediocre experiences. I did not leave particularly satisfied. I suspect the guys who rave about the performance here are either drinking or not going after the hot girls.
Another notable observation is that after coming down around 10:30-11 pm, the club had changed completely. People were no longer outside drinking and smoking, but inside at the party area. There were also way more women, including some very hot (but blonde) ones with smoking bodies. Maybe these are the girls who actually provide good service and are hot? Will come back on a later day to test this theory out.
Encouraged by my good conversation with the first girl, I invited her to my hotel on Friday. This was the best conversation and best sex so far with a Scandallo girl. I decided to book her for the next two days, which turned out to be a big mistake. While we hit up some good restaurants on Saturday, she became progressively more bored (using Instagram more often) and put less effort into sex or conversation. Maybe I'm getting older but it seems Instagram is a plague on a person's personality, either making them utterly bored with normal conversations or care about meaningless crap memes.
It didn't matter that I was interested in her life, trying to understand what she wanted and offering what ideas I had that might help. She was dead bored (20 years old) and I ended up letting her go early on Sunday morning after she decided she didn't like kissing. I also made the rookie mistake of paying her for both days on Sunday morning (before the second day was over). Both the girls I saw at Scandallo, despite being hot, generally failed to put in much effort to the experience. It reminded me of the kids who didn't like being at school, just showing up and getting by with as little effort as possible. Probably the mindset of a lot of escorts.
I ended up scheduling with a girl from a sugar dating site, and she flaked. Then I scheduled a second girl from the same site, and she was completely different from her pictures. Great conversation (the best of any girl) but she was quite average and enthusiasm never makes up for that (for me). Basically the rest of the day was a disaster However, I'm doing a new thing now where I tell them to send me a 5-10 second video where they say Hi to me using my name. I'm hoping this will weed out some of the fake accounts and fake pictures. We'll see. I've tried to do video calls before but these turn into as much of a production to schedule as the date itself to the point where it's not practical.
I have another sugar date scheduled for tomorrow and likely one for Wednesday. If these don't work out, I'll use Scandallo as a backup (or Bomboa, which is now walking distance from my Airbnb). Sampa continues to provide so many options, it's hard not to love it here.
Cane, I get what you are saying.
It is all about what one wants limited only by what one can afford. I estimate that I am likely in the upper middle to upper range of ISG'ers financially speaking too. But that does not mean I have unlimited finances. I wish I did, but I don't. So, what do I want to do with my spending money? Well, in order of importance to me:
#1. I like to travel 3 to 4 months per year and punt as often as I like (usually 1 or 2 times a day) when I am in one of my favorite countries.
#2. I want to shag the prettiest, sexiest girls available. I don't care how much they cost as long as what they are asking me is in the ballpark price range for the venue and quality of girl I am fooling around with. That means I will pay market price for a Scandallo tier 1 girl anytime I want a tier 1 Scandallo girl and I will pay market price for a clinica girl anytime I want a clinica girl and I will do any girl in between if I want her.
#3. Given I have adequate cash set aside for #1 and #2 (my highest priorities), I prefer to stay in 5* hotels and then 4* hotels. I have various hotel CC's and Gold and Platinum memberships with Marriott, Hyatt, Hilton, so I get a lot of breaks on price with these boys like free point nights and free voucher nights plus these chains usually upgrade my reservation upon check-in to Excecutive class rooms and throw in free breakfasts. For example, I stayed at the SP Hyatt for 6 nights gratis in May and they upgraded my reservation to their 1 bedroom suite. It was a great deal.
On my upcoming 6 week SP trip this fall I have booked 6 nights at the Renaissance, 5 nights at the Hyatt, and 4 nights at the Hilton all on points. That still leaves a lot of nights unaccounted for and unfortunately, SP hotel rates have gone through the roof since I was last in town and I am not willing to shell out $200 to $300 per night on a 5 star hotel room. No problem, I have made reservations at some very nice 4 star hotels for around $100 per night. There is nothing wrong with my 4 stars. In fact, the rooms are quite nice and spacious and they have balconies which comes in handy on those nights when I am entertaining one of my sexy marijuanitas or she is entertaining me. KKK. Anyway, I think I made my point. I cut back on non-necessary expenses when I have to. If money were no object, I wouldn't care what the Renaissance or the Hyatt were charging and I would stay there.
#4. Plane travel: this is where my budget really hits the fan. I can't afford to do all that I want to do with #1, and #2 without being frugal on airfare. I like 1st class and business class especially on 24 hour flights to Thailand and the PI. But I can't afford everything on my list so no 1st class or business class for me. I do have miles with the big 3 US carriers and therefore I can usually fly coach for free except that extended legroom is a necessity for me, so I always pay cash for the upgrade. BTW, I hate flying and I especially hate flying coach, but flying 1st class would mean cutting back on #1 the length of my trips or # 2 the quality or quantity of my girls which is out of the question. Ha Ha.
So, that is how I prioritize my travel expenses based on my preferences and constrained only by my finances. I never spend more than I can afford to pay off on the due date. Nobody has exactly the same preferences or the same constraints. So, we all plan differently, but we all want to have the best time that we can afford.Nor do I have unlimited finances. So, we all have to make choices right? I'm not crazy about flying either, but we all have to do it, especially if we want to travel internationally. I try to be as comfortable as I can, especially on those long flights. So, I'm almost always angling for the class of air travel with the most space that I can get and afford. But where I try to cut back is on my hotels and other expenses associated with the trip. So, typically I will choose a 3-star hotel, and sometimes a 4. I never rent cars and always take the least expensive means of local transportation available for getting around as long as it's not too inconvenient (not going to inconvenience myself to save an insignificant sum). That means usually relying on public transportation and / or relatively inexpensive taxis depending on where I am. In fact, I try to make sure my hotel choices are strategically placed to allow easy access to trains, subway stations, buses, plentiful taxis, etc. (I really need to start using Uber more).
I like to enjoy an occasional nice meal here and there, but I mostly keep meals cheap and inexpensive. And all so that I can have more cash on hand to do the #2 (shag the prettiest girls per my personal tastes)! But, our posts show how we're all different, even if we might be of similar economic means. You like to go for the higher end hotels and cut back on the air travel costs. On the other hand, I cut back on the hotel quality and spend more on the air travel portion. And then I do all sorts of other things to control my costs (as you and most others do) so that I have the money I'll need for lots of anal sex with lots and lots of Brazilian girls who I find to be very attractive LOLOLOL! And remember. If I'm getting that cuzinha 70% of the time? I'm bashing that buceta 100% of the time! OK? Hahaha! Carry on!
NapataJohn
07-27-22, 13:46
For a solid 10 in beauty and bed, it's a good price. Maybe 2500 plus expenses, like transportation, meals and lodging.Thanks let me work on that, it is reasonable.
HarvestBoi
07-27-22, 20:27
I just checked. Prices from both US coasts to Sampa are about 1200 for coach, 3500 for business and 8-12 k for first. The difference is a lotta hours with a Scandallo garota LOL. Reminds me of a time where I had a business colleague who would boast that he never flew coach if he had to "spend the night on the plane". Later we were flying out of BsAs and sure enough, he's in coach. What's the deal I asked. He said, Did you see the crazy prices for First? I asked him how much money you have to have so that the fare difference is immaterial. " About 10 % more than you've got".
I just checked. Prices from both US coasts to Sampa are about 1200 for coach, 3500 for business and 8-12 k for first. The difference is a lotta hours with a Scandallo garota LOL. Reminds me of a time where I had a business colleague who would boast that he never flew coach if he had to "spend the night on the plane". Later we were flying out of BsAs and sure enough, he's in coach. What's the deal I asked. He said, Did you see the crazy prices for First? I asked him how much money you have to have so that the fare difference is immaterial. " About 10 % more than you've got".For anybody looking to get back to brasil ASAP on the cheap, Copa airlines has great deals on flights right now. Round trip from San Francisco to SP was 750 usd. My research tells me to avoid the main domestic carriers at all costs. Flights both domestic and international served on United, American, delta are all ridiculously priced at the moment.
I just checked. Prices from both US coasts to Sampa are about 1200 for coach, 3500 for business and 8-12 k for first. The difference is a lotta hours with a Scandallo garota LOL. Reminds me of a time where I had a business colleague who would boast that he never flew coach if he had to "spend the night on the plane". Later we were flying out of BsAs and sure enough, he's in coach. What's the deal I asked. He said, Did you see the crazy prices for First? I asked him how much money you have to have so that the fare difference is immaterial. " About 10 % more than you've got".I just found round trip flights to GRU for 155,000 miles on United. Not too long ago it was just 120,000 miles. And it was even less than that during the worst of the pandemic. Got it covered easy either way hehehe! For my next upcoming long flight (it's not to Brazil) I found First Class seats on Delta for only 90,000 miles! Damn straight I booked that flight post haste months and months ago with Delta SkyMiles! Try to do it now and they would want over twice as much in miles (Delta is the worst for this kind of gouging sometimes)! It pays to look around and book early. It really, really does!
Anyone here taken a Scandallo girl for a weekend trip to Santos? Is 3000 BRL a good price for the weekend?Not much nice beaches in Santos. In any city in BR you will find working girls, why bring sand to the beach? Only if the price is right, multi days trip I offer no more than 1 k per day. If it is an exotic destination should be almost free LOL.
I just checked. Prices from both US coasts to Sampa are about 1200 for coach, 3500 for business and 8-12 k for first. The difference is a lotta hours with a Scandallo garota LOL.Same thing happening with the flights from Europe. I usually have paid between $2000 and $2500 and now the same tickets cost $3500. The prices have gone up with the fuel prices and travel industry recovering from Covid. It doesn't mean I have to say no to a Scandallo girl if I like her. Luckily those days are over when I first time went to Amsterdam and fucked 21 girls during 2,5 days.
Luckily those days are over when I first time went to Amsterdam and fucked 21 girls during 2,5 days.Damn that's insane bro! I used to go to Costa Rica and slam fuck 25 girls in 10 days (with almost no repeats and "nut"every single time). And I thought that was something LOL!
Am curious if anyone has an opinion on the quality of the experience of Cafe Photo vs Scandallo. I'm traveling to São Paulo next week, and my hotel is much closer to Cafe Photo. When I read the posts from fellow mongers, all I see are references to how great Scandallo is, so I'm super intrigued. But, Cafe Photo is roughly 10 min drive from my hotel while Scandallo is 40 min. Is it worth it to go Scandallo, or should I just go to Cafe Photo?
I'm curious is anyone has an opinion about the quality of the experience of Scandallo vs Cafe Photo. I have read a lot of posts from fellow mongers raving about Scandallo, but I haven't seen much on Cafe Photo. I'll be traveling next week to So Paulo, and my hotel is roughly 10 min from Cafe Photo while Scandallo is 40 min away. Is it worth the extra 30 min drive to get to Scandallo or is Cafe Photo basically the same?
Damn that's insane bro! I used to go to Costa Rica and slam fuck 25 girls in 10 days (with almost no repeats and "nut"every single time). And I thought that was something LOL!I was 20-something and was window shopping for the first time. Now I think 1-2 shots and a nice dinner is just fine.
Again, you seem to be missing my point there, which was a narrow one. Let me say it another way. That part of what I wrote was really only mainly an aside about how the value that people place on a good or service can change because of an experience they had. ...I think I understand you. The first time that I went to Scandallo, I was prepared to splurge because it was a brand new experience. Since I never find anything that matched my expectation from reading the forum, the value has decreased. In my response to Bearsi, I wasn't saying he was wrong, I just suggested based on my understanding what maybe a better analogy.
This is a description about a woman in El Centro in Medellin that a session costs no more than $10.
I stumbled upon that girl my first week on the ground, stunning indeed, those puppy eyes made me stop dead in my tracks. ...I was there. LOL.
...Met up with Pollo Negro and Nounce at the fountain in front of the Vera Cruz Church....
...But to answer your question, yes! As long as I can afford to pay for First Class of Business Class and still monger where I want to for as much and as long as I want to then yes...That is the condition I want to know as in my original post mentioned. As a courtesy to your reply, for me, I will make consistent choice that maintains my financial freedom that basically starts with not spending more than I earned and not because I can afford it or not.
I'm curious is anyone has an opinion about the quality of the experience of Scandallo vs Cafe Photo. I have read a lot of posts from fellow mongers raving about Scandallo, but I haven't seen much on Cafe Photo. I'll be traveling next week to So Paulo, and my hotel is roughly 10 min from Cafe Photo while Scandallo is 40 min away. Is it worth the extra 30 min drive to get to Scandallo or is Cafe Photo basically the same?Bomboa is walking distance to Cafe Photo. The Cafe Photo reviews here match my experience with more than 1 visit. You can read the review to decide.
No....Thanks for making it clear.
...I can find someone else at the same quality / level / whatever or even better who would agree. ....Agreed.
As a courtesy to your reply, for me, I will make consistent choice that maintains my financial freedom that basically starts with not spending more than I earned and not because I can afford it or not.According to my own way of thinking, the two go together. That is, if one consistently spends more than they earn, then by definition they can't afford what they're spending on.
Bomboa is walking distance to Cafe Photo. The Cafe Photo reviews here match my experience with more than 1 visit. You can read the review to decide.Sorry, I messed up. I was talking about the old Cafe Photo being near Bomboa. I did went to new Cafe Photo on their opening night.
I'm curious is anyone has an opinion about the quality of the experience of Scandallo vs Cafe Photo. I have read a lot of posts from fellow mongers raving about Scandallo, but I haven't seen much on Cafe Photo. I'll be traveling next week to So Paulo, and my hotel is roughly 10 min from Cafe Photo while Scandallo is 40 min away. Is it worth the extra 30 min drive to get to Scandallo or is Cafe Photo basically the same?The old Cafe Photo (now the Lotus Club) was a must-do club for me (have not been to the new location yet). The old location is where I found this one: 2720488. All that said, there is no substitute for Scandallo. It's a unique destination that virtually no other place in the world can match for the kind of facilities and atmosphere there. So to answer the last of your questions posed in a word (is Cafe Photo basically the same). No! At least not at the old site it isn't, which again is now known as the Lotus Club.
The old Cafe Photo (now the Lotus Club) was a must-do club for me (have not been to the new location yet). The old location is where I found this one: 2720488. All that said, there is no substitute for Scandallo. It's a unique destination that virtually no other place in the world can match for the kind of facilities and atmosphere there. So to answer the last of your questions posed in a word (is Cafe Photo basically the same). No! At least not at the old site it isn't, which again is now known as the Lotus Club.Thanks much for the info. Seems like the extra distance on the car ride may be worth it. What about Bomboa vs Scandallo? Same as Lotus Club?
SocratesNY
07-28-22, 20:22
During the last 18 months, I've been to the new Cafe Photo (at 1515) about 5 x and Scandallo about 25 x.
Although both clubs aim to attract the high end clientele, they are quite different. The new Cafe Photo is renovated nicely, but much smaller than Scandallo. You can sit in the main lounge and see almost everyone, except those in the second floor (restaurant and smoking area). As it's a smaller venue, there are a lot less girls (30-50 in the nights I visited).
There were 2 x at Cafe Photo that I left empty handed and went to Bomboa or Scandallo. 2 x I settled for a girl I would have passed on in Scandallo. That is not to say there wasn't a girl I was interested in during each of those visits, but usually they were with a guy and unavailable. There has never been a visit to Scandallo that I didn't find a girl that was both available and I was attracted to.
The admission at Cafe Photo is 350, which is similar to Scandallo at 400 after 7 pm. Don't think they have an early bird rate like Scandallo as they aren't open during the daytime.
Drink amd food prices are similar. I didn't eat at Cafe Photo, so can't comment on food quality.
Cafe Photo also does not have an adjacent hotel, which I consider a plus. There is no exit fee to take a girl out of the club. If you want an easy adjacent in-house 1 HR session, that can be problematic.
For me, Scandallo is so much better in almost every way (except the Saida fee) that I would only consider Cafe Photo or other over Scandallo, if a friend really really want to check it out.
I'll do a summary of the 5 higher end boates I have been to in SP (Ranked in my order of preference).
1) Scandallo.
Admission:. 200 before 7 pm, 400 after 7 pm.
Space:. Large and separated in zones (restaurant & long bar, outdoor patio & club / Disco).
Decoration:. High end chique.
No. Of Girls: 40-75 before 7 pm, 150+ after 7 pm and 200+ after 10:30-11:00 pm, especially from Tues to Thursday. A little slower on Friday, but still good.
Quality of the talent:. Lots of 7's and 8's and more than enough 8. 5's to 9. 5's to satisfy any taste. The high number and variety of hot girls means I've never left the club empty handed.
Rating: 9. 5 out of 10.
Special note:. Can be enter before 7 pm and return later in the evening and avoid admission.
2) Connection.
Admission:. 50 before 7 pm and 100 after 7 pm.
Space:. Decent size. Like a long rectangular field. The disco and bar in the front, and restaurant and smoking area in the back.
Decoration:. Strip club / Disco vibe.
No. Of Girls:. 40-60 depending on the day.
Quality of the talent:. More of the girls have a PSE / slutty look and feel. Talent can be hit or miss depending on the day. I found the talent better in early 2021, as it was the main club to defy curfew so other girls from Scandallo would go there after 9 pm. Now those girls don't need to.
Rating: 8 out of 10. Mostly due to the cheaper admission and girl prices.
Special Note:. Location is farthest from main tourist / business area of SP among clubs listed.
3) Cafe Photo.
Admission: 350.
Space:. Decent size. Main lounge / disco area in one open space. Easy to scope out the talent in one convenience spot.
Decoration:. High-end disco / club.
No. Of Girls:. 30-50.
Quality of the talent: slightly less in quality than Scandallo. That combined with a lot less in quantity will result in potentially not finding what you want available.
Rating:. 8 out of 10.
Special Note:. In the heart of SP so convenient to most places.
4) Bomboa.
Admission: 250.
Space:. Smaller and more intimate.
Decoration:. Old school traditional bar / restaurant with a small stage. More seating upstairs, but mostly for smoking and for tranquility.
No. Of Girls:. 40-60.
Quality of the talent:. I found the talent to be somewhere in the middle between connections and Cafe photo. As this place caters more to locals the pricing is also better.
Rating: 7. 5 out of 10.
Special Note:. In the heart of SP so convenient to most places.
5) Lotus Club.
Admission: 300+.
Space:. Large, high ceilings and renovated really nicely.
Decoration:. Super new and trendy.
No. Of Girls:. 5 to 10.
Quality of the talent: Inconclusive. The two times that I came by they offered a show me around before charging me admission as there were very few girls on premises. I basically got a tour of the place and left to go to Bomboa, which is a 3-4 min walk away.
I have seen the recent Instagram stories and it seems like they got a lot more people there now so they're doing a better job promoting the place. I might give it another shot checking it out when I return to SP.
Rating:. Inconclusive.
SocratesNY
07-28-22, 20:38
Airfare to SP and nice hotels in SP are definitely more costly now than 12 or 18 months ago.
Economy tickets from the US from the mainline carrier cost more now than business and even occasionally first class tickets cost 12 to 18 months ago, at least from the east coast US.
With that said, there are still deals to be had, both in cash and points, but it's harder and harder to find and you might need to be creative. Two examples are 1) a friend flew from US to another South American city, with a connection in GRU. And he ditched his last leg to visit SP on the cheap 2) Another friend flew from GRU to Florida with a connection in Texas. And ditched his flight from Texas to Florida. In both situations, they paid 25-33% of the direct flight cost.
Hotel points can be a lifesaver. I've seen the Renaissance and Grand Hyatt double to triple in price over the past 12 to 18 months. But the points cost stayed the same!
Thankfully, the exchange rate is still phenomenal and I haven't noticed much inflationary pressure on my other main spending. High end restaurants.
With that said, there are still deals to be had, both in cash and points, but it's harder and harder to find and you might need to be creative. Two examples are 1) a friend flew from US to another South American city, with a connection in GRU. And he ditched his last leg to visit SP on the cheap 2) Another friend flew from GRU to Florida with a connection in Texas. And ditched his flight from Texas to Florida. In both situations, they paid 25-33% of the direct flight cost.Just a warning here to all. Don't think you can get away with ditching the second leg of your flights willy nilly to save money. The airlines are well aware of this tactic, and you don't have to do it that many times before you just might be hearing from the airline about your new banishment! They notice. And they don't like it. Believe this.
Thankfully, the exchange rate is still phenomenal and I haven't noticed much inflationary pressure on my other main spending. High end restaurants.The BRL Has begun to significantly gain ground vs the usd in last 72 hours since the fed increased interests rates by 75 basis points. Will we see the usd continue to fall like it did a few months back when the fed did the exact same thing by increasing interests rates 75 basis points? It got down to 4. 63 at one point not too long ago during that time. Today the taxa de cambio is hovering around 5.19, which is still acceptable, IMO. Will the usd continue to fall like it did the last time the fed messed around with increased interests rates? Me thinks so. Like most, I'd hate to see it fall below 5.00 again but part of me thinks it's coming. Pure speculation on my part so only time will tell.
Airfare to SP and nice hotels in SP are definitely more costly now than 12 or 18 months ago.
Economy tickets from the US from the mainline carrier cost more now than business and even occasionally first class tickets cost 12 to 18 months ago, at least from the east coast US.
With that said, there are still deals to be had, both in cash and points, but it's harder and harder to find and you might need to be creative. Two examples are 1) a friend flew from US to another South American city, with a connection in GRU. And he ditched his last leg to visit SP on the cheap 2) Another friend flew from GRU to Florida with a connection in Texas. And ditched his flight from Texas to Florida. In both situations, they paid 25-33% of the direct flight cost.
Hotel points can be a lifesaver. I've seen the Renaissance and Grand Hyatt double to triple in price over the past 12 to 18 months. But the points cost stayed the same!
Thankfully, the exchange rate is still phenomenal and I haven't noticed much inflationary pressure on my other main spending. High end restaurants.Skipping connection is doable if you don't have check bags, but eventually the passenger will get banned if they do it often. I've used Latin American airlines this year because they are about half price compared to US airlines probably due to fuel subsidies. Viva Air that connects in Columbia flies to GRU for as low as $250 if have no bags.
Marriott will soon convert to points system equivalent to cash like the airlines with mile, IE $100 = 10,000 points / miles so many customers are using up their points / miles since it will be soon devalued.
For about 3000 R a month gets a nice apt in SP, for 4000 R furnished it will be like Renaissance or Hyatt. Typical lease is 3 years with the option to leave after 1 year with no penalty.
I just logged-in and saw some questions about the comparison of talent at the various clubs. I am a huge fan of Scandallo, but I have to share that I have been very disappointed with what I have been seeing during my recent visits. I was there last night (Wednesday) and there were a ton of girls but there were a ton that I had no interest in. I was shocked with some of the girls that the management has let come in and work there, and not to mention what they have let some of these girls wear. I saw a lot of trashy looking girls last night that just don't belong in that club. I have a found a girl worth taking out for the night on each of my visits, but I really had to be patient and hunt. Despite there being a substantial number of girls in the club, I ended up taking a girl that I had taken out on Saturday night because I didn't see anyone better than her.
I actually met my dream girl at a clinica and to me she is by far hotter than anyone I have seen at Scandallo. Lots to contribute to the forum!
Thanks much for the info. Seems like the extra distance on the car ride may be worth it. What about Bomboa vs Scandallo? Same as Lotus Club?See Socrates' helpful post. For me they are all a must-do LOL! You just never know where you're going to find the next jewel.
I got a tip last night that the lounge at the top of the Tivoli has some premium talent working there. As I understand, this information is not widely known but this hotel caters to an elite clientele and they allow very attractive ladies work their lounge.
Has any stayed at this hotel and / or checked out their lounge.
I got a tip last night that the lounge at the top of the Tivoli has some premium talent working there. As I understand, this information is not widely known but this hotel caters to an elite clientele and they allow very attractive ladies work their lounge.
Has any stayed at this hotel and / or checked out their lounge.Do you mean SEEN RESTAURANT & BAR?
I went there with 3 other forum posters and 3 girls in November last year and there are no reservations first come first serve. It's one of the busiest bars in all of South America apparently. We had to wait like 45 mins in the lobby, wait time varies so you can be looking at 30 mins -90 mins. I think it's better if you have a big party like 4-8 people so you have a better chance of getting a table since they know you'll spend more. 2 people for a table isn't as profitable of course. The bar is pretty nice and is the highlight with the bartenders making some unique drinks and doing some neat tricks so it also fills up quickly. It's not really a place you can just walk in and get served very quickly. I didn't really see any working girls when we went but if there are now I'm sure they'd charge something high like the renaissance hotel lobby girls or higher since this a really high-end bar / hotel. Could be wrong but seems like a hassle and then some to score. I could be wrong tho.
If anyone checks it out definitely report back, would be an interesting read.
Why don't they like it?
Just a warning here to all. Don't think you can get away with ditching the second leg of your flights willy nilly to save money. The airlines are well aware of this tactic, and you don't have to do it that many times before you just might be hearing from the airline about your new banishment! They notice. And they don't like it. Believe this.
Feds got to raise the rates more to control this inflation at Scandallo. LOL.
The BRL Has begun to significantly gain ground vs the usd in last 72 hours since the fed increased interests rates by 75 basis points. Will we see the usd continue to fall like it did a few months back when the fed did the exact same thing by increasing interests rates 75 basis points? It got down to 4. 63 at one point not too long ago during that time. Today the taxa de cambio is hovering around 5.19, which is still acceptable, IMO. Will the usd continue to fall like it did the last time the fed messed around with increased interests rates? Me thinks so. Like most, I'd hate to see it fall below 5.00 again but part of me thinks it's coming. Pure speculation on my part so only time will tell.
Why don't they like it?Couple of articles about the practice (you can be fined and / or banned from the mileage program or maybe worse if they get fed up with you):
https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/this-airline-sued-a-passenger-for-skipping-his-flight-why-we-should-all-take-note-2019-02-13
https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-skiplagging-warning/amp/
The BRL Has begun to significantly gain ground vs the usd in last 72 hours since the fed increased interests rates by 75 basis points. Will we see the usd continue to fall like it did a few months back when the fed did the exact same thing by increasing interests rates 75 basis points? It got down to 4. 63 at one point not too long ago during that time. Today the taxa de cambio is hovering around 5.19, which is still acceptable, IMO. Will the usd continue to fall like it did the last time the fed messed around with increased interests rates? Me thinks so. Like most, I'd hate to see it fall below 5.00 again but part of me thinks it's coming. Pure speculation on my part so only time will tell.There's always a lot going on behind the currency markets. I don't think the Fed raising rates is the cause for a rise in the Real the last few days. Generally, rate increases are good for currencies. Euro-Dollar is a major currency pair and the Euro did not move much at all versus the Dollar this past week.
More than likely, concerns of a USA Recession might have helped Real sentiment. However if the USA And Europe are in a longer than expected recession, it will likely hurt the Brazilian economy.
Given the significant lack of quality talent at Scandallo on Wednesday night, I decided to change course and checkout Caf Foto for myself. I am so glad that I did. I was very impressed! It is a great alternative to Scandallo and has a much different vibe if you are looking for a change of pace.
I arrived at Caf Foto a little after 10 pm and was impressed immediately upon pulling up to the building. Very cool exterior architecture and very professional men at the entry to welcome you. Also, very secure. My first impression is that this is a club that caters to SP's elite clients, as the staff was all men in suits and none spoke any English. Similar registration as Scandallo except you have to give a fingerprint. As I entered the club, I was impressed with how big it was. It is not huge like Scandallo, but fairly large and open. There is an upstairs mezzanine and an outside smoking area that overlooks the front entry. It's a very nice club.
Now for the talent I was VERY impressed! The club was not very busy but there were easily about 30-35 ladies already there. I was told most ladies arrive by 11 pm. Since there were not many customers, I really had my pick of ladies and they were beautiful. I am a super picky. Like extremely picky! I like ladies that are thin, minimal tattoos and a lady that is classy (hair, nails, makeup, shoes, dress). I found 8-10 ladies that were just my type but I would say that 20+ ladies were far hotter than what I have recently seen at Scandallo. I was sitting up on the mezzanine level when I found the lady I would take home. WOW! Petite little lady in a short black dress and beautiful smile. Very outgoing personality. I sat down with her at a table and eventually her friend joined us.
As for pricing she initially told me the ladies charge are $1000 per hour to go to my hotel or a love hotel. She quoted me $3000 to stay the night. She offered me a number for her and her friend to both come stay for the night. Given that I was one of the few customers in the club and there were many other options waiting to get selected, I made her a much lower counter offer which she quickly accepted. I closed out of bill and we were on our way back to my hotel. No fee to take the girl out of the club.
I am a big fan of Scandallo and think it is truly an amazing place, but lately the quality of the talent there is just not all that good in my opinion. I have always found a lady but it has taken patience and really looking around for one that fit my tastes. There were just so many trashy looking ladies there on Wednesday night that it was so hard to find a diamond amongst the rest. That is why I repeated with a lady that I had been with on Saturday because I just couldn't find anything I wanted.
Many will disagree with me, but I have to say the talent at Cafe Foto was MUCH BETTER than what has been at Scandallo and it took no patience or looking all over the club to find one I wanted. All of the ladies I saw at Caf Foto were super classy and meticulously dressed. No trashy girls whatsoever. Cafe Foto is a much more laid-back atmosphere and the girls are not sharks. They cannot even approach you unless you motion to speak with them. I really liked this place and definitely will return but I will still go to Scandallo as well.
Couple of articles about the practice (you can be fined and / or banned from the mileage program or maybe worse if they get fed up with you):
https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/this-airline-sued-a-passenger-for-skipping-his-flight-why-we-should-all-take-note-2019-02-13
https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-skiplagging-warning/amp/Yes, always check the fare conditions of your ticket.
Many will disagree with me, but I have to say the talent at Cafe Foto was MUCH BETTER than what has been at Scandallo and it took no patience or looking all over the club to find one I wanted. All of the ladies I saw at Caf Foto were super classy and meticulously dressed. No trashy girls whatsoever. Cafe Foto is a much more laid-back atmosphere and the girls are not sharks. They cannot even approach you unless you motion to speak with them. I really liked this place and definitely will return but I will still go to Scandallo as well.Thanks for the post. Your observations are very interesting.
When Cafe Foto was the premier club in Sao Paulo in the 2000's and at its pinnacle, they had classy girls.
$1000 per hour (this probably includes Uber / taxi time?) and $3000 per night are high. What were you able to negotiate?
I went to Prime Sunday afternoon around 1 pm, good lineup on wassap. Nice to know Murina and Prime are open Sunday with a solid lineup by checking before showing up.
Thanks for the protip guys and the gas station tip. Yup, they sell my brand of whiskey in travel size.Hiii I am a first timer to Sao Paulo. How do I get to the whatsapp group to see the line up at Prime, Tangara (if any) before going there.
Polyamorist
07-30-22, 01:28
With that said, there are still deals to be had, both in cash and points, but it's harder and harder to find and you might need to be creative. Two examples are 1) a friend flew from US to another South American city, with a connection in GRU. And he ditched his last leg to visit SP on the cheap 2) Another friend flew from GRU to Florida with a connection in Texas. And ditched his flight from Texas to Florida. In both situations, they paid 25-33% of the direct flight cost.
Interesting strategy, but what about baggage? Isn't that sent to the final destination?
Nebulousity
07-30-22, 01:32
Hiii I am a first timer to Sao Paulo. How do I get to the whatsapp group to see the line up at Prime, Tangara (if any) before going there.Prime and Tangara if I recall correctly are two of the two Clinicas that require you to visit and ask to join the WhatsApp list in person. Perhaps it's because they often share lineup photos with faces whereas the other Clinicas often don't. I'm pretty sure Miruna and Enjoy will sign you up if you just send them a WhatsApp message asking to be added to the list and provide your "name. " Ideally would recommend using Google Translate to ask in Portuguese. Rest assured though, Tangara, if you wait long enough there, always has great options as does Prime, so it's a pretty good bet to just show up at either at roughly 2 or 3 PM (when options are there but before the after work rush).
Hell yeah! This is good to read from the Café Photo! The latest reviews from the new address were kind of dissapointing.
Once I picked a lovely long hair brunette, maybe it was 700 Reales back in 2017. She had a great Honda sport car in the parking of the club. She let me play with her thighs and her pussy while she was driving us to my place. She stopped in the Ipiranga gas station for an ATM 'cause I didn't have cash and she ran out of camisinhas. She looked stunning walking on those high heels pearl color, red tight miniskirt dress. Maybe she was only 1,60 m but she looked just great. Her right hand with rings and bracelets playing with my dick after I paid her in the car.
Her battle name was Mileni. I remember there was a guy who was kind of pissed off when I took her from the club. Maybe he was experiencing an IOP or obsessed with her jajajaja because he was really stearing at us while we were talkiing and negotiating.
Given the significant lack of quality talent at Scandallo on Wednesday night, I decided to change course and checkout Caf Foto for myself. I am so glad that I did. I was very impressed! It is a great alternative to Scandallo and has a much different vibe if you are looking for a change of pace.
I arrived at Caf Foto a little after 10 pm and was impressed immediately upon pulling up to the building. Very cool exterior architecture and very professional men at the entry to welcome you. Also, very secure. My first impression is that this is a club that caters to SP's elite clients, as the staff was all men in suits and none spoke any English. Similar registration as Scandallo except you have to give a fingerprint. As I entered the club, I was impressed with how big it was. It is not huge like Scandallo, but fairly large and open. There is an upstairs mezzanine and an outside smoking area that overlooks the front entry. It's a very nice club.
NapataJohn
07-30-22, 02:39
Not much nice beaches in Santos. In any city in BR you will find working girls, why bring sand to the beach? Only if the price is right, multi days trip I offer no more than 1 k per day. If it is an exotic destination should be almost free LOL.Hobbying correct but if I know her from before I am guaranteed a good time though it is more money, that is all I was trying to establish, not exactly Santos but nearby actuallt.
I crossed the entire city, from the Asturias motel to Guarulhos, just to arrive when my flight was minutes to close.
I met this rabuda, bunduda (big butt girl) in Bomboa during the Interlagos F1 week, she was from the interior and came only to SP for the F1 week. That night she was wearing a tight miniskirt that highlighted her massive ass. An ass with a shape, a few pounds more, and would be an horrible ass. Believe me. But it was the up extreme perfection in balance. Of course we went up the stairs in the motel right next bomboa, and she only asked 400 Reales! I will not go into details from this fuck 'cause the interesting part comes next.
She gave me her what's and we arranged a photo / video shoot the next morning in the Asturias motel. I told her I was a great portrait photographer (which I believe I am, maybe I'm not, but I believe it and much more when I have to convince a model), that my lighting and technic and bla bla bla, and she of course agreed. She came to my hotel in Rebouças street and picked me 15 minutes later. We headed to the Asturias, and. She was a new driver, a new driver and in Sao Paulo, and we lost the street to Asturias at least three times. Ok, we already had a 15+30 minutes delay from the very start. See her driving and following the google maps instructions on her iphone.
My flight was in 5 hours.
Meanwhile she was dressing and undressing, I set my cameras. My canon and my GoPro with underwater case. Because I was decided to sink that ass until the very deep of that pool and jacuzzi. She started wearing black lingerie and stockings. Super hot, classy and sexy. That's the pictures she has as souvenir. I saw them in her instagram wall commented by his European boyfriend jejejejeje.
My flight was in 4 hours.
Then it came the bikini part, where we headed to the fantastic pool. There she was, walking and waddling that fantastic ass in velvet high heels. Then it was time to sink that ass underwater. Oh my god, my GoPro Hero 3 recording full HD that ass entering the water by the stairs verys slowly. I could not resist to dive and emerge right under her ass. And I almost drawned in her, half sunk ass that I kissed and licked so hard. Believe me I almost drowned.
My flight was in 3:30 hours.
Then the ass oiling, and shaking. Hands on that massive shiny ass bending over and doing booty clamp.
My flight was in 3:15 hours.
Then it was time for a hot steamy shower. We were together under the shower, I was recording from the very bottom with the gopro, a "view from dorn" we call in spanish. She was posing and making some samba moves under the shower, and I lost my mind. I proposed her to fuck again right there. Ok, leave the camera she said. I didn't think about my flight TBH.
My flight was in 3 hours.
And we fucked under the steamy shower, it was so hot and steamy I could not see her face making me a blow job. I only had my hands on her head to confirm. I went straight to the bed where my condoms were, and I got back. She asked me to seat in the floor of the shower and she stood in front of me, and giving me her back, flexed her legs so she crowned my dick with her massive ass. And we fucked. I was in a galatic trip and I guess she was also. It was fantastic.
When I came I got back to reality and realized my flight was almost in 2 hours. I was almost fucked up with it. So I gave her her money, and meanwhile I was making my luggage, super crazy fast, she signed the release as you can see.
My taxi arrived when the guys from the hotel were checking our consumptions from the refrigerator. Fortunately I already knew the fastest way to Guarulhos airport was the Marginal Tiete. A way the taxi driver madein almost 30 minutes under heavy rain. That rain made my flight delay few minutes so I could board it and tell this story.
Only one photographic advice: Please turn of that dam flash from your camera. Use the light from location if you want to portrait the real conditions.
Why don't they like it?They don't like it because they know you want a nonstop ticket and they want to sell you a nonstop ticket for more. This is why the cheapest ticket buys you a convoluted itinerary on many, if not most airlines.
Having said that, they're well aware that their practice is controversial, so it's unlikely they'll ban you or take away your miles unless you're a serial violator. There are legit reasons why people miss their connection, just remember NEVER to check your bags or skip a leg on a round trip flight. That's a huge no-no. You can google "married segment logic" if you want to dig into this.
Here is a site that can help you find a cheap nonstop flight (no affiliation). They're kind of famous because they've been sued by United and won.
https://skiplagged.com/
Thanks for the post. Your observations are very interesting.
When Cafe Foto was the premier club in Sao Paulo in the 2000's and at its pinnacle, they had classy girls.
$1000 per hour (this probably includes Uber / taxi time?) and $3000 per night are high. What were you able to negotiate?I was there the opening night. I also found a girl that is just my type. It's 500 without negotiation then. We sessioned in a love motel to sunrise.
NapataJohn
07-30-22, 13:14
Here is a site that can help you find a cheap nonstop flight (no affiliation). They're kind of famous because they've been sued by United and won.
https://skiplagged.com/Good one. Also this https://www.skyscanner.com/.
Hobbying correct but if I know her from before I am guaranteed a good time though it is more money, that is all I was trying to establish, not exactly Santos but nearby actuallt.Santos has port, take her on a cruise. They get drunk leads to bareback, happened with me twice.
Original Foto was a tourist trap since most of the girls spoke English. They are freelancers so they never really get in trouble if they ripoff or steal. But in 2000's it was a nice to go there site seeing, semi famous girls would show up but those days are gone with internet sites or agencies.
Original Foto was a tourist trap since most of the girls spoke English. They are freelancers so they never really get in trouble if they ripoff or steal. But in 2000's it was a nice to go there site seeing, semi famous girls would show up but those days are gone with internet sites or agencies.I never met an English speaker there ever that I can recall. As a matter of fact, it's been rare for me to meet any English-speaking girls at any of the clubs in Sampa, including other alleged "tourist traps" like Scandallo. You might meet a few here and there, but my experience tells me that most of the girls are Portuguese-speaking, and that the primary customer base consists of Brazilian men. Even at the so-called "tourist" clubs LOL! I guess any place that costs more than what a "bargain basement Barney" wants to pay is a "tourist trap" because supposedly only tourists would pay that LOLOLOL!
You pick up your baggage after arriving internationally.
Interesting strategy, but what about baggage? Isn't that sent to the final destination?
Thats the only reason I can think of that they loose from all of this but they set the price and we paid so its fair game. Buy 1 get 1 free Big Mac. I can just eat one and throw the other one away if I want. Other than that, can't find anything that negatively hurts them. One less passenger and one less luggage to worry about on the second leg.
Banning us just means theyre helping their competitors get more passengers and they just end up loosing even more. Just don't do it on round trips and don't attach the miles to the ticket. We all pick up bags after arriving internationally anyways.
They don't like it because they know you want a nonstop ticket and they want to sell you a nonstop ticket for more. This is why the cheapest ticket buys you a convoluted itinerary on many, if not most airlines.
Having said that, they're well aware that their practice is controversial, so it's unlikely they'll ban you or take away your miles unless you're a serial violator. There are legit reasons why people miss their connection, just remember NEVER to check your bags or skip a leg on a round trip flight. That's a huge no-no. You can google "married segment logic" if you want to dig into this.
Here is a site that can help you find a cheap nonstop flight (no affiliation). They're kind of famous because they've been sued by United and won.
https://skiplagged.com/
Interesting strategy, but what about baggage? Isn't that sent to the final destination?I always carry light: just a backpack (personal item) and a carry on luggage.
I never check a bag anymore ever since watching this scene in the movie "up in the air" with George Clooney.
https://youtu.be/cnNyUGhXTsw?t=25
Always wasted time waiting for luggage in the rotating belt and although I never lost a luggage, this help to avoid it ever happening.
I always found that I overpacked and never ended up using all the extra clothes and such. I always buy some touristy clothes anyways since it's so cheap.
If you ever do ditch a connecting flight like I've done, just never check in a bag and you're golden pretty much.
Yes, always check the fare conditions of your ticket.Reminds me of the story of how American Airlines had a $250 K lifetime membership program where you'd fly anywhere unlimited anywhere around the world first class where AA traveled to for life.
You could add a companion for only $150 K (this could be anyone that was with you).
They had to hire a special unit to check on the pass holders as some were costing american airline 1 Mil plus their companion were able to rack up tens of millions of miles as well as taxes and airport fees paid for by the airline.
They had to sue some of them and it wasn't profitable for the airline.
A great story to read.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/sep/19/american-airlines-aairpass-golden-ticket
I never met an English speaker there ever that I can recall. As a matter of fact, it's been rare for me to meet any English-speaking girls at any of the clubs in Sampa, including other alleged "tourist traps" like Scandallo. You might meet a few here and there, but my experience tells me that most of the girls are Portuguese-speaking, and that the primary customer base consists of Brazilian men. Even at the so-called "tourist" clubs LOL! I guess any place that costs more than what a "bargain basement Barney" wants to pay is a "tourist trap" because supposedly only tourists would pay that LOLOLOL!I've met some english speaking girls in scandallo and bomboa. They would always hear me speaking english to a friend or something like that and would approach to start a conversation. They were always never my type and would charge a high fee since they assumed the language barrier being broken would supplement that. Last time I was with a friend and we were speaking english and this girl popped out of nowhere and started talking with us to try to get one of us to go to a room. She just sat down and started making small talk. It was funny / weird seeing the power dynamic turned around. We were the hot girls and she was the aggressive / odd guy trying to score a new bag. We eventually left with some girls we were interested in but she insisted that her small talk was worth 50 BRL. LOL I always avoid english speaking girls for the most part.
They don't like it because they know you want a nonstop ticket and they want to sell you a nonstop ticket for more. This is why the cheapest ticket buys you a convoluted itinerary on many, if not most airlines.
Having said that, they're well aware that their practice is controversial, so it's unlikely they'll ban you or take away your miles unless you're a serial violator. There are legit reasons why people miss their connection, just remember NEVER to check your bags or skip a leg on a round trip flight. That's a huge no-no. You can google "married segment logic" if you want to dig into this.
Here is a site that can help you find a cheap nonstop flight (no affiliation). They're kind of famous because they've been sued by United and won.
https://skiplagged.com/I would also point out since you booked connecting flight and never went on your 2nd flight.
They flew with an empty seat that they could have sold to another person.
THAT BEING SAID
F*** THE AIRLINES
They are constantly getting bailed out by governments and they screws us with our own taxpayer money.
They buy back their stock and do all kinds of shady practices and then ask for another bailout.
Same thing with amazon.
They overload the USPS and pay next to nothing in taxes while using taxpayer funded infrastructure that made their billions.
The greedy companies love to cheat and game the system.
So it's my duty as an american to cheat and game their system to get my money back.
So if I want to skip a connection I think I will.
Gringo hunters are the worst! I'm charging them 50 reais if they come up to me next time.
We eventually left with some girls we were interested in but she insisted that her small talk was worth 50 BRL. LOL I always avoid english speaking girls for the most part.Yeah, I had two Portuguese-speaking friends at Scandallo ask for money after talking to me for only a few minutes. Laughed in both their faces. GTFOH! And one of the hottest girls I have ever fucked was an English-speaking branca at Scandallo (wrote a report on that one). Compared to the overall number I have not met a lot of English-speakers, especially in Sampa, but I don't have a general rule of not showing any interest in them when I do discover them. I just use the same kind of strategies and tactics. I mean, you don't have to speak English to ask for stupid money believe me. That's done in any language, and I can handle it the exact same way. With a definitive "no"!
Reminds me of the story of how American Airlines had a $250 K lifetime membership program where you'd fly anywhere unlimited anywhere around the world first class where AA traveled to for life.
You could add a companion for only $150 K (this could be anyone that was with you).
They had to hire a special unit to check on the pass holders as some were costing american airline 1 Mil plus their companion were able to rack up tens of millions of miles as well as taxes and airport fees paid for by the airline.
They had to sue some of them and it wasn't profitable for the airline.
A great story to read.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/sep/19/american-airlines-aairpass-golden-ticketThat was indeed a good read. The guy's own daughter said he engaged in a lot of "shady" stuff. I agree (and so did the court as he lost his case). If he hadn't done those things, then he wouldn't have lost the pass. On the other hand, if American had thought he was doing something wrong, then they could have given him a warning and asked him to change his behavior. The guy was a bit "off" anyway. I mean, calling up reservations and talking for an hour about nothing because he was bored? Really? His story reminds me of stories I've read about people who hit the lottery, and then they start doing self-detrimental stuff and going off the rails, and end up broke (or dead) when they should have been set for life. He should have been flying in First Class for free for the rest of his natural life. Instead, he blew it by being greedy and wasteful, and by doing stupid shit. He didn't think it was wrong, but the airline did. The court agreed with the airline. And that's all she wrote!
I met this rabuda, bunduda (big butt girl) in Bomboa during the Interlagos F1 week, she was from the interior and came only to SP for the F1 week. That night she was wearing a tight miniskirt that highlighted her massive ass. An ass with a shape, a few pounds more, and would be an horrible ass. Believe me. But it was the up extreme perfection in balance. I'm curious. Do you think your friend's ass is natural?
I'm not trying to criticize her. I am genuinely interested in your opinion and if her ass has some augmentation how does it feel.
He should have been flying in First Class for free for the rest of his natural life.I guess it wasn't totally for free. I mean, he did pay $250,000 to get the pass (plus another $150,000 for a companion pass). But, still he could have had those paid for and a hell of a lot more if the passes had remained for the rest of his life (provided he lived a reasonably long one). That $400,000 in purchases would have paid for themselves in time with the kind of travel he did. He didn't have to do the kind of abusive stuff he was doing to get his money back, and then some.
Interesting strategy, but what about baggage? Isn't that sent to the final destination?Major airlines always offload your luggage if you don't board the plane. Even GOL offloaded my luggage, when they thought I wasn't in the plane. They made a mistake at the gate and didn't bother to check if I was sitting on my seat. At least I met some nice girls at the lost luggage counter and fed them chocolate when they made my PIR. What a nice guy I am. The problem is that offloading somebody's luggage may cause delays and missed connections etc. On average delays cost thousands of dollars per minute for the airlines. That is another reason airlines don't like people who don't take their connecting flight.
Good one. Also this https://www.skyscanner.com/.You have to be cautious anyway, if you buy your ticket from these sites. Airlines will not rebook you, if it's not an airline issued document. Flight irregularities are also another problematic situation. These sites usually have only an email to contact them.
An "extended" stay in Sao Paulo, early May thru early June. First ever trip to Brazil.
Quick background, I am on the wrong side of 60, try and stay in ok shape. I budgeted a little extra for a 12 day stay in SP. I prefer slimmer gals vs. The big ass types. I have traveled extensively, so am well versed in the sport. I read thru the last 100 pages of the ISG forum and took extensive notes for my trip. There are too many posters to thank, but to those that have posted trip reports a BIG thanks!
This was my first trip to Brazil. Skipped Rio. Don't care for beaches / tourist spots.
I was solo the entire trip. Was hoping to meet some ISG members, but it was not a priority and did not happen. Did communicate with a few and they were helpful.
Quick tips.
Cash is almost never used in Sao Paulo. Bring at least 2 credit cards. Credit cards are used everywhere. The only time I used cash was to pay a girl. ATM card and cash as a back up. Exception was shopping at the mall. My international credit card would not always get accepted at the stores. This is normal. It's not your card, its their card scanner that can't accept the card. Never an issue at a club or restaurant.
I stayed in Moema. The Mercure Hotel was good for my initial stay of 11 nights. Looks much nicer from the outside, but is adequate. I NEVER had an issue bringing a girl back. Simply walked directly to the elevator with the gal in tow.
Moema is safe. Brazilian food (spices?) was just ok. The small mom and pop places did not have anything appetizing for me.
Uber black or comfort. The basic Uber often canceled. Especially at night, use black.
Clothes. During May I experienced some cool / cold weather. Jeans are the norm. Bring some long sleeved shirts for the nights. Shorts are ok for Sunday walks. There is a giant park close to Moema. Tons of people on weekends.
Go to Sao Paulo (SP from here on in) knowing it's a huge city with not much to do unless you speak Portuguese. I went knowing 0 words. I did fine, but there is A LOT of down time unless you prepare. I brought my firestick loaded with programs to watch T. V. And movies. Forgot my book / kindle.
First and foremost, Sao Paulo is MUCH more expensive than say Medellin, Colombia. I was in SP in May and Medellin in July. For those on a budget or just don't like to spend much, Sao Paulo is NOT for you unless you do the afternoon / evening places (clinicas).
Brief trip report from May as I got lazy to write a report, but owe it to the few that have contributed to my trip.
Long ass flight from Chicago with layover in Panama. Got to my room 2 am Uber from Airport to hotel a breeze. Quick hint, after being in Colombia dozens and dozens of times, I just assumed to sit in front right seat of Uber. The norm is to sit in the back, like a taxi. Medellin is different, sit in the front so you don't look like you are in a pay-4-ride car.
My first day was a Monday and I had planned not much going on after dark. I explored the area on foot and it was safe. Based on a review posted here on ISG I scheduled a meeting in a nearby hotel with a gal from one of the escort sites. Hotel guest required ID, took my photo and called her room. Waited for 10 minutes and was sent up. Girl was pretty but my spider alarm said she was not the girl. Did not leave as she was pretty enough. No shower offered (strange to me and another red flag) but I was horny and ready for some Brazil action. No greeting kisses offered (yes, I know but this was my first time in Brazil) and I later learned this is unusual. Off came my clothes and she then wants money up front. Naked and now knowing I was with a crap gal, I went thru with the deal. Brazilian encounter number 1 was a bust. I left with a WTF thought process thinking SP was not going to be for me.
Clinicas day 2. I had stopped in at Clinica 57 the day before and checked out the talent. Several doable gals around 2 pm, but a roster of only 5. This day I went for the lineup at Abbobora. Gals come out from a back room (all clinicas basically do same accept for tablet based places) and introduce themselves. I can barley hear what they say and never can understand their names. Maybe 10 gals presented and 2 of them were at least 8's. Desk gal asked my choice and I had no clue. I asked for a list of the girls names and she wrote them down, but was not overly pleasant about it. Waited for another guest to arrive so I could see the lineup again and was able to choose a gal. Cost, around 60 USA For an hour and service was very good. DFK, BBBJ and then covered. I don't do anal. Not my thing.
I returned to Abborora 2 or 3 other times and had good service. One finished with CIM.
Doesn't pay to describe each of the other Clinicas but the drill is the same. My only advice is to take a pen and paper and write the names down of the girls you like. Also, write down the addresses of each as google maps was off on Moema Prime and I initially could not find it.
I did not think I would like the tablet based lineups but gave one of them a try. Lotus Lounge, short uber ride away. They have a website. This was my go to place but much more expensive. I think it was 130 ish USA For an hour. Rooms were much nicer, no mattress on the floor crap. Decent shower / hotub. You never see the gal until she enters the room. Four sessions at the place with one repeat. One just average session and 3 were worth every penny.
Night Clubs (Boates). Damn they start late but I love the hunt. Started out with the top place, Scandallo. Yup, 80 ish bucks to enter. Every one of the places operates pretty much the same. Doorman pats you down, you enter and there were like 8 receptionists to present your ID too. Have a GOOD copy of your passport. I was almost not allowed in with a copy I had folded and unfolded a few times. ALL of the clubs give you a CREDIT CARD to account for your drinks. You pay when you leave at each club and pay an exit fee if you take a gal with. So my first impression? Eighty-ninety percent of the available woman at 10 pm Not my type. But with 100-150 available woman, 20 were VERY doable. Good thing they dress nice and most are not aggressive. Some are and I was asked on more than one occasion to buy a drink for someone I had no interest in. I did not see anything above an 8. 5 my first night.
Before I forget, I am no Bratt Pitt, but have a sense of humor. Given the chance I can have girls enjoying some laughs even without much Portuguese. Prior to my trip I had planned on sample testing the girls on site prior to any invites to my hotel. I quickly broke this goal. I only had one session on site.
I won't give an every night replay of my trip, those get boring and everyone has different experiences based on their personality and budget.
My first night at Scandallo a tall model body type sat next to me at the bar. Long legs peaking out from underneath the slit in her dress. Smiles exchanged and the next 2 hours it was full on flirting and drinks. She was not a drink * but I kept offering. Full on DFK and her hand was stroking me whenever she could. Told her upfront, not going to session that night. Too much too drink and if the effort to screw and finish at my age, not going to happen. Got her number, gave her 200 reals, and said goodnight. Next day negotiations. Got her down to 1000 to spend the night. Spent several nights with her and ended up BBFS, something I rarely do. My last night in SP I TOOK her to Scandallo. Ate, drank and she invited her friends (some HOT) to DFK with us. Two girls and me DFK. I bought them drinks and was offered three sums, but passed.
Went to 3 other clubs during my stay. Casarao Augusta, 30 minute uber ride from Moema. 50 real entry and talent level was less, but still a FEW doable and I picked up 3 out of there. Caf Foto. Went once and it is classy and smaller. Girls don't approach. Would go back. Bahamas in Moema. Not mentioned much here but worth stopping in. Met the owner who claimed he owned Penthouse and Hustler magazine business in Brazil.
Bottom line, is it worth going to SP? Yes and no.
My 11 night trip turned into 24. I got Covid there. No need to go into details as the required test to return to USA Not needed. But getting sick in Brazil. Not good.
Comparing Medellin, Colombia to Sao Paulo. I have been to Medellin DOZENS of times over the past 8 years. I wanted to try something different as Medellin has become over-run with tourists / mongers. Areas that were fun to go to 5 years ago have turned into tourist rip of places because of the ignorant and boisterous. Just my opinion.
Beauty of woman: Overall the prettiest woman of the two countries is Colombia. During my almost 1 month stay in SP, the woman I saw on the streets, everyday woman, are of no comparison to the beauty of woman in Colombia. With that said, the working woman of both countries are fantastic.
Winner: Medellin.
Availability: Sao Paulo is a MUCH bigger city and with that probably had more available. The plus for SP is there are more clubs at night to go to that offer the female gender for us that are willing to shell out some $$ Medellin has 4 or 5 known strip clubs, Gustos in Parque Lleras (overpriced for what is available) and the mansion (mostly sub-par gals). SP has escort sites and many more clinicas to hunt in.
Winner: Sao Paulo.
Cost: Flight to and from SP going to be higher. Travel time longer. Hotels in each are comparable. I suspect SP has more hotels that are guest friendly. I stayed in two different hotels in SP and neither had an issue or asked for ID from my guests I walked in with. Daytime action in both places can be had for on the cheap, but Medellin had some places for 25 bucks and hour. Overall girls going to be at least twice the cost in SP vs. Medellin. Gems can be found in both places. I JUST returned from Medellin and had several all night sessions for $75 USA These are NON-fatties that would get glanced at walking anywhere. Remember, I am on the wrong side of 60. Night clubs for p4 p in SP extremely expensive. But I was there to enjoy. I did not throw money around, would not buy random drinks, but I like to enjoy 6-8 beers over a period of 4-5 hours and buy a few lady drinks. Always spend 120-160 USA Per average night on entry and drinks. That did not include taking a lady out.
Average I paid for guest to come to my hotel next day 130 US My favorite spend the night for $200. US I always paid in reals, but easier for some to use dollars here for comparision. My average session in Medellin in my hotel for an hour plus was 65-75 US Overnights I also got for 75, but I took them out for drinks / food.
Cost winner: Medellin.
Performace: This is the toughest one. I am a firm believer in YOUR personality (fun factor). Some guys like kissing, some like anal, well you get the drift. If you are there just to pound out as many as you can, Medellin wins. This past trip I kept down to 5 gals. Repeated with 3, as I enjoyed the GFE / PSE. Found a 21 year old who was over the top and never been with a gringo. Diamond.
Overall Brazilian gals were almost always performers. Sometimes I could not finish, old age / booze, and the woman seemed frustrated if I did not finish. Tried to finish with the help of my own hand with one gal and she would not allow it! Sucked until SHE was happy.
Perfomance: TIE Too many variables.
Apologize if the report is a bit scattered and hard to read. My word processor has crashed a dozen times and it became frustrating. Feel free to PM me for opinions. OH, I will be back in SP in September for the month. Expensive. But I am not getting any younger.
Sure, Wyattearp.
That ass was natural, and TBH being from a girl in her mid twenties, bit african brazilian, she already had some stretch marks near the ass when standing. But once in doggy, it was the way I like them when big size, and smooth skin. Some models when they don't sleep enough hours, keep water in their bottom tissues.
It felt like a cushion, my balls smoothly stopped when I was fucking her from behind. A different feeling when you fuck a tight small fitness ass for example.
I'm sure she spent lots of money on skin care and focalized massages. These girls live in spas after hours.
Jajajajaja.
I'm curious. Do you think your friend's ass is natural?
I'm not trying to criticize her. I am genuinely interested in your opinion and if her ass has some augmentation how does it feel.
DanielMatt
08-01-22, 07:33
At Jet69 this is an excellent report. Thanks so much. Next time, you may stay in Bouborn Conventional Hotel or Tuse flat hotet. It's more convenient and you may walk to all those clinicas in Moema.
I am going to Medellin in a couple of weeks. It'd be my first time. I was browsing Medellin forum but couldn't find reports like this one of yours. Could you please provide some information / advise such as where to stay and where to hunt?
Thanks.
An "extended" stay in Sao Paulo, early May thru early June. First ever trip to Brazil.
Quick background, I am on the wrong side of 60, try and stay in ok shape. I budgeted a little extra for a 12 day stay in SP. I prefer slimmer gals vs. The big ass types. I have traveled extensively, so am well versed in the sport. I read thru the last 100 pages of the ISG forum and took extensive notes for my trip. There are too many posters to thank, but to those that have posted trip reports a BIG thanks!
This was my first trip to Brazil. Skipped Rio. Don't care for beaches / tourist spots.
I was solo the entire trip. Was hoping to meet some ISG members, but it was not a priority and did not happen. Did communicate with a few and they were helpful.
Quick tips.
Cash is almost never used in Sao Paulo. Bring at least 2 credit cards. Credit cards are used everywhere. The only time I used cash was to pay a girl. ATM card and cash as a back up. Exception was shopping at the mall. My international credit card would not always get accepted at the stores. This is normal. It's not your card, its their card scanner that can't accept the card. Never an issue at a club or restaurant.
I stayed in Moema. The Mercure Hotel was good for my initial stay of 11 nights. Looks much nicer from the outside, but is adequate. I NEVER had an issue bringing a girl back. Simply walked directly to the elevator with the gal in tow.
Moema is safe. Brazilian food (spices?) was just ok. The small mom and pop places did not have anything appetizing for me.
Uber black or comfort. The basic Uber often canceled. Especially at night, use black.
Clothes. During May I experienced some cool / cold weather. Jeans are the norm. Bring some long sleeved shirts for the nights. Shorts are ok for Sunday walks. There is a giant park close to Moema. Tons of people on weekends.
Go to Sao Paulo (SP from here on in) knowing it's a huge city with not much to do unless you speak Portuguese. I went knowing 0 words. I did fine, but there is A LOT of down time unless you prepare. I brought my firestick loaded with programs to watch T. V. And movies. Forgot my book / kindle.
First and foremost, Sao Paulo is MUCH more expensive than say Medellin, Colombia. I was in SP in May and Medellin in July. For those on a budget or just don't like to spend much, Sao Paulo is NOT for you unless you do the afternoon / evening places (clinicas).
Brief trip report from May as I got lazy to write a report, but owe it to the few that have contributed to my trip.
Long ass flight from Chicago with layover in Panama. Got to my room 2 am Uber from Airport to hotel a breeze. Quick hint, after being in Colombia dozens and dozens of times, I just assumed to sit in front right seat of Uber. The norm is to sit in the back, like a taxi. Medellin is different, sit in the front so you don't look like you are in a pay-4-ride car.
My first day was a Monday and I had planned not much going on after dark. I explored the area on foot and it was safe. Based on a review posted here on ISG I scheduled a meeting in a nearby hotel with a gal from one of the escort sites. Hotel guest required ID, took my photo and called her room. Waited for 10 minutes and was sent up. Girl was pretty but my spider alarm said she was not the girl. Did not leave as she was pretty enough. No shower offered (strange to me and another red flag) but I was horny and ready for some Brazil action. No greeting kisses offered (yes, I know but this was my first time in Brazil) and I later learned this is unusual. Off came my clothes and she then wants money up front. Naked and now knowing I was with a crap gal, I went thru with the deal. Brazilian encounter number 1 was a bust. I left with a WTF thought process thinking SP was not going to be for me.
Clinicas day 2. I had stopped in at Clinica 57 the day before and checked out the talent. Several doable gals around 2 pm, but a roster of only 5. This day I went for the lineup at Abbobora. Gals come out from a back room (all clinicas basically do same accept for tablet based places) and introduce themselves. I can barley hear what they say and never can understand their names. Maybe 10 gals presented and 2 of them were at least 8's. Desk gal asked my choice and I had no clue. I asked for a list of the girls names and she wrote them down, but was not overly pleasant about it. Waited for another guest to arrive so I could see the lineup again and was able to choose a gal. Cost, around 60 USA For an hour and service was very good. DFK, BBBJ and then covered. I don't do anal. Not my thing.
I returned to Abborora 2 or 3 other times and had good service. One finished with CIM.
Doesn't pay to describe each of the other Clinicas but the drill is the same. My only advice is to take a pen and paper and write the names down of the girls you like. Also, write down the addresses of each as google maps was off on Moema Prime and I initially could not find it.
I did not think I would like the tablet based lineups but gave one of them a try. Lotus Lounge, short uber ride away. They have a website. This was my go to place but much more expensive. I think it was 130 ish USA For an hour. Rooms were much nicer, no mattress on the floor crap. Decent shower / hotub. You never see the gal until she enters the room. Four sessions at the place with one repeat. One just average session and 3 were worth every penny.
Night Clubs (Boates). Damn they start late but I love the hunt. Started out with the top place, Scandallo. Yup, 80 ish bucks to enter. Every one of the places operates pretty much the same. Doorman pats you down, you enter and there were like 8 receptionists to present your ID too. Have a GOOD copy of your passport. I was almost not allowed in with a copy I had folded and unfolded a few times. ALL of the clubs give you a CREDIT CARD to account for your drinks. You pay when you leave at each club and pay an exit fee if you take a gal with. So my first impression? Eighty-ninety percent of the available woman at 10 pm Not my type. But with 100-150 available woman, 20 were VERY doable. Good thing they dress nice and most are not aggressive. Some are and I was asked on more than one occasion to buy a drink for someone I had no interest in. I did not see anything above an 8. 5 my first night.
Before I forget, I am no Bratt Pitt, but have a sense of humor. Given the chance I can have girls enjoying some laughs even without much Portuguese. Prior to my trip I had planned on sample testing the girls on site prior to any invites to my hotel. I quickly broke this goal. I only had one session on site.
I won't give an every night replay of my trip, those get boring and everyone has different experiences based on their personality and budget.
My first night at Scandallo a tall model body type sat next to me at the bar. Long legs peaking out from underneath the slit in her dress. Smiles exchanged and the next 2 hours it was full on flirting and drinks. She was not a drink * but I kept offering. Full on DFK and her hand was stroking me whenever she could. Told her upfront, not going to session that night. Too much too drink and if the effort to screw and finish at my age, not going to happen. Got her number, gave her 200 reals, and said goodnight. Next day negotiations. Got her down to 1000 to spend the night. Spent several nights with her and ended up BBFS, something I rarely do. My last night in SP I TOOK her to Scandallo. Ate, drank and she invited her friends (some HOT) to DFK with us. Two girls and me DFK. I bought them drinks and was offered three sums, but passed.
Went to 3 other clubs during my stay. Casarao Augusta, 30 minute uber ride from Moema. 50 real entry and talent level was less, but still a FEW doable and I picked up 3 out of there. Caf Foto. Went once and it is classy and smaller. Girls don't approach. Would go back. Bahamas in Moema. Not mentioned much here but worth stopping in. Met the owner who claimed he owned Penthouse and Hustler magazine business in Brazil.
Bottom line, is it worth going to SP? Yes and no.
My 11 night trip turned into 24. I got Covid there. No need to go into details as the required test to return to USA Not needed. But getting sick in Brazil. Not good.
Comparing Medellin, Colombia to Sao Paulo. I have been to Medellin DOZENS of times over the past 8 years. I wanted to try something different as Medellin has become over-run with tourists / mongers. Areas that were fun to go to 5 years ago have turned into tourist rip of places because of the ignorant and boisterous. Just my opinion.
Beauty of woman: Overall the prettiest woman of the two countries is Colombia. During my almost 1 month stay in SP, the woman I saw on the streets, everyday woman, are of no comparison to the beauty of woman in Colombia. With that said, the working woman of both countries are fantastic.
Winner: Medellin.
Availability: Sao Paulo is a MUCH bigger city and with that probably had more available. The plus for SP is there are more clubs at night to go to that offer the female gender for us that are willing to shell out some $$ Medellin has 4 or 5 known strip clubs, Gustos in Parque Lleras (overpriced for what is available) and the mansion (mostly sub-par gals). SP has escort sites and many more clinicas to hunt in.
Winner: Sao Paulo.
Cost: Flight to and from SP going to be higher. Travel time longer. Hotels in each are comparable. I suspect SP has more hotels that are guest friendly. I stayed in two different hotels in SP and neither had an issue or asked for ID from my guests I walked in with. Daytime action in both places can be had for on the cheap, but Medellin had some places for 25 bucks and hour. Overall girls going to be at least twice the cost in SP vs. Medellin. Gems can be found in both places. I JUST returned from Medellin and had several all night sessions for $75 USA These are NON-fatties that would get glanced at walking anywhere. Remember, I am on the wrong side of 60. Night clubs for P4P in SP extremely expensive. But I was there to enjoy. I did not throw money around, would not buy random drinks, but I like to enjoy 6-8 beers over a period of 4-5 hours and buy a few lady drinks. Always spend 120-160 USA Per average night on entry and drinks. That did not include taking a lady out.
Average I paid for guest to come to my hotel next day 130 US My favorite spend the night for $200. US I always paid in reals, but easier for some to use dollars here for comparision. My average session in Medellin in my hotel for an hour plus was 65-75 US Overnights I also got for 75, but I took them out for drinks / food.
Cost winner: Medellin.
Performace: This is the toughest one. I am a firm believer in YOUR personality (fun factor). Some guys like kissing, some like anal, well you get the drift. If you are there just to pound out as many as you can, Medellin wins. This past trip I kept down to 5 gals. Repeated with 3, as I enjoyed the GFE / PSE. Found a 21 year old who was over the top and never been with a gringo. Diamond.
Overall Brazilian gals were almost always performers. Sometimes I could not finish, old age / booze, and the woman seemed frustrated if I did not finish. Tried to finish with the help of my own hand with one gal and she would not allow it! Sucked until SHE was happy.
Perfomance: TIE Too many variables.
Apologize if the report is a bit scattered and hard to read. My word processor has crashed a dozen times and it became frustrating. Feel free to PM me for opinions. OH, I will be back in SP in September for the month. Expensive. But I am not getting any younger.
Wow, your first time in Brazil but I feel like you know more than all of us LOL.
So you met Oscar Maroni? Bald guy who owns Bahamas? He's actually pretty famous. His daughter was a contestant on Masterchef Brazil haha.
An "extended" stay in Sao Paulo, early May thru early June. First ever trip to Brazil.
Quick background, I am on the wrong side of 60, try and stay in ok shape. I budgeted a little extra for a 12 day stay in SP. I prefer slimmer gals vs. The big ass types. I have traveled extensively, so am well versed in the sport. I read thru the last 100 pages of the ISG forum and took extensive notes for my trip. There are too many posters to thank, but to those that have posted trip reports a BIG thanks!
This was my first trip to Brazil. Skipped Rio. Don't care for beaches / tourist spots.
I was solo the entire trip. Was hoping to meet some ISG members, but it was not a priority and did not happen. Did communicate with a few and they were helpful.
Quick tips.
Cash is almost never used in Sao Paulo. Bring at least 2 credit cards. Credit cards are used everywhere. The only time I used cash was to pay a girl. ATM card and cash as a back up. Exception was shopping at the mall. My international credit card would not always get accepted at the stores. This is normal. It's not your card, its their card scanner that can't accept the card. Never an issue at a club or restaurant.
I stayed in Moema. The Mercure Hotel was good for my initial stay of 11 nights. Looks much nicer from the outside, but is adequate. I NEVER had an issue bringing a girl back. Simply walked directly to the elevator with the gal in tow.
Moema is safe. Brazilian food (spices?) was just ok. The small mom and pop places did not have anything appetizing for me.
Uber black or comfort. The basic Uber often canceled. Especially at night, use black.
Clothes. During May I experienced some cool / cold weather. Jeans are the norm. Bring some long sleeved shirts for the nights. Shorts are ok for Sunday walks. There is a giant park close to Moema. Tons of people on weekends.
Go to Sao Paulo (SP from here on in) knowing it's a huge city with not much to do unless you speak Portuguese. I went knowing 0 words. I did fine, but there is A LOT of down time unless you prepare. I brought my firestick loaded with programs to watch T. V. And movies. Forgot my book / kindle.
First and foremost, Sao Paulo is MUCH more expensive than say Medellin, Colombia. I was in SP in May and Medellin in July. For those on a budget or just don't like to spend much, Sao Paulo is NOT for you unless you do the afternoon / evening places (clinicas).
Brief trip report from May as I got lazy to write a report, but owe it to the few that have contributed to my trip.
Long ass flight from Chicago with layover in Panama. Got to my room 2 am Uber from Airport to hotel a breeze. Quick hint, after being in Colombia dozens and dozens of times, I just assumed to sit in front right seat of Uber. The norm is to sit in the back, like a taxi. Medellin is different, sit in the front so you don't look like you are in a pay-4-ride car.
My first day was a Monday and I had planned not much going on after dark. I explored the area on foot and it was safe. Based on a review posted here on ISG I scheduled a meeting in a nearby hotel with a gal from one of the escort sites. Hotel guest required ID, took my photo and called her room. Waited for 10 minutes and was sent up. Girl was pretty but my spider alarm said she was not the girl. Did not leave as she was pretty enough. No shower offered (strange to me and another red flag) but I was horny and ready for some Brazil action. No greeting kisses offered (yes, I know but this was my first time in Brazil) and I later learned this is unusual. Off came my clothes and she then wants money up front. Naked and now knowing I was with a crap gal, I went thru with the deal. Brazilian encounter number 1 was a bust. I left with a WTF thought process thinking SP was not going to be for me.
Clinicas day 2. I had stopped in at Clinica 57 the day before and checked out the talent. Several doable gals around 2 pm, but a roster of only 5. This day I went for the lineup at Abbobora. Gals come out from a back room (all clinicas basically do same accept for tablet based places) and introduce themselves. I can barley hear what they say and never can understand their names. Maybe 10 gals presented and 2 of them were at least 8's. Desk gal asked my choice and I had no clue. I asked for a list of the girls names and she wrote them down, but was not overly pleasant about it. Waited for another guest to arrive so I could see the lineup again and was able to choose a gal. Cost, around 60 USA For an hour and service was very good. DFK, BBBJ and then covered. I don't do anal. Not my thing.
I returned to Abborora 2 or 3 other times and had good service. One finished with CIM.
Doesn't pay to describe each of the other Clinicas but the drill is the same. My only advice is to take a pen and paper and write the names down of the girls you like. Also, write down the addresses of each as google maps was off on Moema Prime and I initially could not find it.
I did not think I would like the tablet based lineups but gave one of them a try. Lotus Lounge, short uber ride away. They have a website. This was my go to place but much more expensive. I think it was 130 ish USA For an hour. Rooms were much nicer, no mattress on the floor crap. Decent shower / hotub. You never see the gal until she enters the room. Four sessions at the place with one repeat. One just average session and 3 were worth every penny.
Night Clubs (Boates). Damn they start late but I love the hunt. Started out with the top place, Scandallo. Yup, 80 ish bucks to enter. Every one of the places operates pretty much the same. Doorman pats you down, you enter and there were like 8 receptionists to present your ID too. Have a GOOD copy of your passport. I was almost not allowed in with a copy I had folded and unfolded a few times. ALL of the clubs give you a CREDIT CARD to account for your drinks. You pay when you leave at each club and pay an exit fee if you take a gal with. So my first impression? Eighty-ninety percent of the available woman at 10 pm Not my type. But with 100-150 available woman, 20 were VERY doable. Good thing they dress nice and most are not aggressive. Some are and I was asked on more than one occasion to buy a drink for someone I had no interest in. I did not see anything above an 8. 5 my first night.
Before I forget, I am no Bratt Pitt, but have a sense of humor. Given the chance I can have girls enjoying some laughs even without much Portuguese. Prior to my trip I had planned on sample testing the girls on site prior to any invites to my hotel. I quickly broke this goal. I only had one session on site.
I won't give an every night replay of my trip, those get boring and everyone has different experiences based on their personality and budget.
My first night at Scandallo a tall model body type sat next to me at the bar. Long legs peaking out from underneath the slit in her dress. Smiles exchanged and the next 2 hours it was full on flirting and drinks. She was not a drink * but I kept offering. Full on DFK and her hand was stroking me whenever she could. Told her upfront, not going to session that night. Too much too drink and if the effort to screw and finish at my age, not going to happen. Got her number, gave her 200 reals, and said goodnight. Next day negotiations. Got her down to 1000 to spend the night. Spent several nights with her and ended up BBFS, something I rarely do. My last night in SP I TOOK her to Scandallo. Ate, drank and she invited her friends (some HOT) to DFK with us. Two girls and me DFK. I bought them drinks and was offered three sums, but passed.
Went to 3 other clubs during my stay. Casarao Augusta, 30 minute uber ride from Moema. 50 real entry and talent level was less, but still a FEW doable and I picked up 3 out of there. Caf Foto. Went once and it is classy and smaller. Girls don't approach. Would go back. Bahamas in Moema. Not mentioned much here but worth stopping in. Met the owner who claimed he owned Penthouse and Hustler magazine business in Brazil.
Bottom line, is it worth going to SP? Yes and no.
My 11 night trip turned into 24. I got Covid there. No need to go into details as the required test to return to USA Not needed. But getting sick in Brazil. Not good.
Comparing Medellin, Colombia to Sao Paulo. I have been to Medellin DOZENS of times over the past 8 years. I wanted to try something different as Medellin has become over-run with tourists / mongers. Areas that were fun to go to 5 years ago have turned into tourist rip of places because of the ignorant and boisterous. Just my opinion.
Beauty of woman: Overall the prettiest woman of the two countries is Colombia. During my almost 1 month stay in SP, the woman I saw on the streets, everyday woman, are of no comparison to the beauty of woman in Colombia. With that said, the working woman of both countries are fantastic.
Winner: Medellin.
Availability: Sao Paulo is a MUCH bigger city and with that probably had more available. The plus for SP is there are more clubs at night to go to that offer the female gender for us that are willing to shell out some $$ Medellin has 4 or 5 known strip clubs, Gustos in Parque Lleras (overpriced for what is available) and the mansion (mostly sub-par gals). SP has escort sites and many more clinicas to hunt in.
Winner: Sao Paulo.
Cost: Flight to and from SP going to be higher. Travel time longer. Hotels in each are comparable. I suspect SP has more hotels that are guest friendly. I stayed in two different hotels in SP and neither had an issue or asked for ID from my guests I walked in with. Daytime action in both places can be had for on the cheap, but Medellin had some places for 25 bucks and hour. Overall girls going to be at least twice the cost in SP vs. Medellin. Gems can be found in both places. I JUST returned from Medellin and had several all night sessions for $75 USA These are NON-fatties that would get glanced at walking anywhere. Remember, I am on the wrong side of 60. Night clubs for p4 p in SP extremely expensive. But I was there to enjoy. I did not throw money around, would not buy random drinks, but I like to enjoy 6-8 beers over a period of 4-5 hours and buy a few lady drinks. Always spend 120-160 USA Per average night on entry and drinks. That did not include taking a lady out.
Average I paid for guest to come to my hotel next day 130 US My favorite spend the night for $200. US I always paid in reals, but easier for some to use dollars here for comparision. My average session in Medellin in my hotel for an hour plus was 65-75 US Overnights I also got for 75, but I took them out for drinks / food.
Cost winner: Medellin.
Performace: This is the toughest one. I am a firm believer in YOUR personality (fun factor). Some guys like kissing, some like anal, well you get the drift. If you are there just to pound out as many as you can, Medellin wins. This past trip I kept down to 5 gals. Repeated with 3, as I enjoyed the GFE / PSE. Found a 21 year old who was over the top and never been with a gringo. Diamond.
Overall Brazilian gals were almost always performers. Sometimes I could not finish, old age / booze, and the woman seemed frustrated if I did not finish. Tried to finish with the help of my own hand with one gal and she would not allow it! Sucked until SHE was happy.
Perfomance: TIE Too many variables.
Apologize if the report is a bit scattered and hard to read. My word processor has crashed a dozen times and it became frustrating. Feel free to PM me for opinions. OH, I will be back in SP in September for the month. Expensive. But I am not getting any younger.
According to my own way of thinking, the two go together. That is, if one consistently spends more than they earn, then by definition they can't afford what they're spending on.They do. But also think about this, will your perspective change if you monger all year long in other countries. That may also include far less pay with more freedom.
If you have enough saving to allow you to monger modestly everyday for the rest of your life, will you quit your job now?
The Critic
08-01-22, 09:00
An "extended" stay in Sao Paulo, early May thru early June. First ever trip to Brazil.....I am on the wrong side of 60, try and stay in ok shape.
OH, I will be back in SP in September for the month. Expensive. But I am not getting any younger.LOL!! Good report. I look forward to your September report.
They do. But also think about this, will your perspective change if you monger all year long in other countries. That may also include far less pay with more freedom.
If you have enough saving to allow you to monger modestly everyday for the rest of your life, will you quit your job now?I don't have a desire to monger every day for the rest of my life, modestly or otherwise. I've never wanted that. I have plenty of other interests besides mongering LOL! However, I do want to monger periodically throughout the year extravagantly hehehe!
Cash is almost never used in Sao Paulo. Bring at least 2 credit cards. Credit cards are used everywhere. The only time I used cash was to pay a girl. ATM card and cash as a back up. Exception was shopping at the mall. My international credit card would not always get accepted at the stores. This is normal. It's not your card, its their card scanner that can't accept the card. Never an issue at a club or restaurant.Enjoyed your report, but totally don't get this part. Anybody who has been to Brazil knows that cash is king! In fact, the typical advisory is to avoid using a credit card when you can because there are too many card skim scams in Brazil. I used to travel with lots of cash on me in the beginning, but now I just use my ATM card to withdraw whatever money I need each day (my bank reimburses any and all ATM fees). Yes, have some credit cards for selective uses (I have paid hotel bills with a credit card for example). But otherwise I say operate mostly in cash when in Brazil. Your credit card might get declined (or worse yet skimmed), but everybody takes cash! Don't know what happened to give you a different impression.
Vagabundo1
08-01-22, 10:41
Falar Portoguese como um japones.
Vagabundo has been watching various Youtube channels about how to learn the local culture, and this one caught my eye, and seems appropo to the SP thread. Because SP is the biggest concentration of Japanese outside of Japan, apparently (correct me if I am wrong). Since Vagabundo is part of the masterace of eurasians (a joke), he is attuned to racial differences more than most.
Brasileiro SURPREENDE japoneses ao falar japonês fluente.
https://www.youtube.com/c/NinkiJapon%C3%AAsOnline
TedFerguson
08-01-22, 15:43
3rd week in SP, I feel I'm finally understanding the options better and getting what I want. Which is one or two sugar babies for the few months I'm here.
After a hint from a girl I met on Seeking, I started using MeuPatrocinio which is a local sugar dating website. Vastly more options than Seeking, however fewer to none girls who speak any English. Some prices seemed a bit lower (Seeking has gringo pricing) but for the good options, it wasn't much difference. *Notably, many of the university girls I met there are less interested in short-term relationships, having had medium to long-term relationships in the past with rich Brazilians.
Last week I met a cute Instagram influencer there and we had two dates, both at great restaurants, good conversation (in my broken but improving Portuguese), and sex was good too. She also works online and loves traveling so we may do that together.
I really hit the jackpot towards the end of the week, where I met a 21 year old college student, gym body with similar dietary preferences and interests (since when are cute girls into video games? We spoke constantly throughout the evening about everything including her ex and my visits to sex clubs. Sex was amazing. She commended on liking my dick (I'm very average) and how she really liked some of the sexual positions we tried. The next day I'm getting messages about her missing me and some difficult to translate comments about a "ring". Made plans for another date this week where she'll spend the night.
Other notable highlights from this week:
- Scandallo on Thursday night as usual requires staying up until 10-11 pm to find a good option. Met a smoking hot darker skinned girl with enhanced chest and big ass. I'm not usually into thicker girls but her face was a 10, and her body was very proportional. Her performance was a bit more GFE than other Scandallo girls, but still relatively low effort for her. I came twice and we exchanged contact information.
- Went to Lotus Lounge and met another cute girl who provided great GFE. Sadly, I had more tingling feelings in the lips and some neck pain the next few days. Due to health risks I'll forgo clinicas and other high volume girls in the future. Which is so sad because these girls have the best personalities imo. Completely submissive and very experienced at sex.
- Went to Cafe Photo (not Foto) on Saturday. Dead. Bunch of fat girls, old girls and black girls. No thanks. Very impressed by the building and staff. Good music. Want to see the place succeed because it's closer than Scandallo. Even so, not a location to go to during the weekend. The main takeaways here are, when in Brazil, act like a Brazilian. Meet your hot girls during the week and make plans with them for the weekend. The clubs (including Scandallo) aren't so great on weekends.
Enjoyed your report, but totally don't get this part. Anybody who has been to Brazil knows that cash is king! In fact, the typical advisory is to avoid using a credit card when you can because there are too many card skim scams in Brazil. I used to travel with lots of cash on me in the beginning, but now I just use my ATM card to withdraw whatever money I need each day (my bank reimburses any and all ATM fees). Yes, have some credit cards for selective uses (I have paid hotel bills with a credit card for example). But otherwise I say operate mostly in cash when in Brazil. Your credit card might get declined (or worse yet skimmed), but everybody takes cash! Don't know what happened to give you a different impression.As Jet69 said, credit card usage is very high in SP and Rio. I had used them everywhere including restaurants, clubs, stores and small shops during my first couple of trips to SP. After a food court merchant in Ibirapuera mall charged my CC R500 for a R25 bill, I am bit careful with where I use my CC. Luckily I noticed the charge so I could able to dispute it and get my money back.
Cash is still accepted everywhere but I have noticed some merchants had trouble breaking bills (maybe because of low cash usage) and visibly annoyed when I used cash.
FlowState985
08-01-22, 19:14
Enjoyed your report, but totally don't get this part. Anybody who has been to Brazil knows that cash is king! In fact, the typical advisory is to avoid using a credit card when you can because there are too many card skim scams in Brazil. I used to travel with lots of cash on me in the beginning, but now I just use my ATM card to withdraw whatever money I need each day (my bank reimburses any and all ATM fees). Yes, have some credit cards for selective uses (I have paid hotel bills with a credit card for example). But otherwise I say operate mostly in cash when in Brazil. Your credit card might get declined (or worse yet skimmed), but everybody takes cash! Don't know what happened to give you a different impression.Definitely high CC usage in SP. First time when I was in SP, I went to the mall and tried to get coffee at a shop. Gave her my CC and the machine didn't take the card, and then I gave her what I had is 50 R, and she didn't have change in the register so I had to walk to another coffee shop to buy some coffee. They don't expect you to use cash.
Enjoyed your report, but totally don't get this part. Anybody who has been to Brazil knows that cash is king! ....I think you should get your ass here ASAP. Some of your information are out dated. Also unlike in US, here they scan your card in front of you, and often it is contactless.
Cash is still accepted everywhere.And that was exactly my point. The guy's post made it sound like it isn't, which makes no sense, and nobody before him had said anything like that.
You are right to a point about cash. Yes, everybody accepts cash. What happened to me on MANY occasions was the scramble to get me change for even small purchases with small bills. I also noted what the locals were using and that is what changed my mind about cash vs cards. Not sure what kind of cards they use (credit vs debt), but my guess is they were using a card 95 plus percent of the time. Even at the self-serve laundry mat. So yes, cash is accepted but it was often more of a hassle. I NEVER saw anyone using cash at a restaurant including Burger King and McDonalds.
Your card skimmer issue is not an issue with me. I get instant notifications if my card is used. My card never left my site and yes it could happen. Not arguing that point. But it could happen as easily here in the good 'ole USA as Brazil.
Thanks for the compliment, though I made some errors in the report. I appreciate the info you have provided in the past.
What I would add / correct about my report:
SP woman WIN the performance aspect vs. Medellin. I reflected a bit and hands down SP wins, though I just had some fantastic sessions in Medellin as of last week.
Scandallo expectations. I finally came up with in my mind what I envisioned Scandallo woman would be like PRIOR to my trip and in reality having visited on several nights.
I was hoping the gals would be like the 50 (that are all lined up with briefcases from DEAL OR NO DEAL show from years back. Nothing close to that. Again, 80 plus percent of the females were undoable for me. There were some that were in fact fat, ugly or both. I had one gigantic beast come up to me and said, "let's go, you can fuck me in the ass". GROSS.
If you plan a trip and plan to be in SP for more than 10 days, plan ahead for activities, things to do besides monger.
Enjoyed your report, but totally don't get this part. Anybody who has been to Brazil knows that cash is king! In fact, the typical advisory is to avoid using a credit card when you can because there are too many card skim scams in Brazil. I used to travel with lots of cash on me in the beginning, but now I just use my ATM card to withdraw whatever money I need each day (my bank reimburses any and all ATM fees). Yes, have some credit cards for selective uses (I have paid hotel bills with a credit card for example). But otherwise I say operate mostly in cash when in Brazil. Your credit card might get declined (or worse yet skimmed), but everybody takes cash! Don't know what happened to give you a different impression.
I think you should get your ass here ASAP. Some of your information are out dated. Also unlike in US, here they scan your card in front of you, and often it is contactless.So saying that everybody accepts cash (making cash king) is outdated information? Hahaha! That's just a plain silly assertion. Let me tell you something. I've traveled to Brazil far, far more times than these newbies writing reports (and you too). And what I know is that some things just don't change. Go around using a credit card willy nilly in Brazil if you want to, and you're just asking for trouble. And don't think you can't be skim scammed just because somebody scanned the card right in front of you (read / heard of that happening too)! If anything, people are more desperate now in these challenging times making things even worse. I will continue to use cash heavily (I mean why not everybody accepts it LOL) with a nice mix of bills that I always have to help in making change.
And when I withdraw that cash from the ATMs, I will always use the precautions that have been discussed on this board many, many times over the years. Plus I will get any and all ATM fees returned to me because my bank refunds them. Works for me, and I don't ever have to worry about any of my credit cards being compromised by a thief. I will use a credit card here and there for certain things, like hotels and higher end restaurants and stores (I didn't say I never use a credit card in Brazil), but I will be selective and judicious in such use. Of course, you could get robbed of cash right (so far never happened not even close knock on wood). Well another well-known principle is never carry more cash on you at one time than you're willing to lose.
It all comes with risks. I'll take the risk of acquiring and spending cash over letting every Tomas, Ricardo, and Jorge have access to my credit card info. At any rate, I don't buy (no pun intended) that things have changed so much in Brazil in such a relatively little amount of time to where you don't have to worry about using a credit card there anymore. Show me some reliable hard facts and data somewhere, and then maybe. Until then, I won't be ignoring history as the best predictor of the future is the past. For me, that means spending mostly in cash, and using a credit card selectively here and there. All have been warned. Don't let a "skim scam man" do it to you!
Vagabundo1
08-01-22, 20:32
Agreed.
It's frustrating how few cab drivers make change for even 50.
I think you should get your ass here ASAP. Some of your information are out dated. Also unlike in US, here they scan your card in front of you, and often it is contactless.
I don't have a desire to monger every day for the rest of my life, modestly or otherwise. I've never wanted that. I have plenty of other interests besides mongering LOL! However, I do want to monger periodically throughout the year extravagantly hehehe!I too have several other (can be considered full time) interests that are higher on my list than mongering. I am also very interested in my professional field. The situation is applicable similarly for me because they all involve travelling except my job.
...As a matter of fact, it's been rare for me to meet any English-speaking girls at any of the clubs in Sampa, including other alleged "tourist traps" like Scandallo. ...I think it may have to do with the location. There was one day last year, I rode Uber to an apartment in Bela Vista. The Uber driver spoke English and he recommended me to go to a club Caf Piu Piu which I went another night. Caf Piu Piu had a live band playing covers of American oldies from band like Journey and the crowd sang alone. When I arrived at the apartment, a girl happened to come out and she spoke English to me to help me ring the apartment. That night, I went to Bar dos Arcos. The door person who is a slender trans-person spoke some English. After I sat down in the bar, there was a couple to my left greeted me with English. Then the bartender spoke English to me too. Later the roommate of the bartender came and sat on the right. He spoke English too. Asked me if I wanted drugs, or girls and maybe tried to hit on me. LOL. All of these happened on the same day. I know you talked about club and girls. I thought it was funny that I met so many English speaking Brazilians in one day.
Vagabundo1
08-01-22, 22:56
Best is to be able to work remotely as a digital nomad, and to be retired from one career, or semi-retired.
For example, being a retired Lieutenant Commander, Swiss Navy, but running some do re mi for myself and for Union Bank of Switzerland private clients (who have left, haha) would be ideal. You know, we Swiss Navy only care about pirate bounty and prize ships.
I think it may have to do with the location. There was one day last year, I rode Uber to an apartment in Bela Vista. The Uber driver spoke English and he recommended me to go to a club Caf Piu Piu which I went another night. Caf Piu Piu had a live band playing covers of American oldies from band like Journey and the crowd sang alone. When I arrived at the apartment, a girl happened to come out and she spoke English to me to help me ring the apartment. That night, I went to Bar dos Arcos. The door person who is a slender trans-person spoke some English. After I sat down in the bar, there was a couple to my left greeted me with English. Then the bartender spoke English to me too. Later the roommate of the bartender came and sat on the right. He spoke English too. Asked me if I want drugs, or girls and maybe tried to hit on me. LOL. All of these happened on the same day. I know you talked about club and girls. I thought it was an interesting date that I met so many English speaking Brazilians in one day.
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I am going to Medellin in a couple of weeks. It'd be my first time. I was browsing Medellin forum but couldn't find reports like this one of yours. Could you please provide some information / advise such as where to stay and where to hunt?
I answered some questions here. Look up EB's recent report for lodging. Stay in San Peter for lower cost option.
If you have that budget, read this post. ....The other place with girls on site is Mansion. Medellin has greater quantity than Sao Paulo but it may take some work. Sao Paulo has much better clubs.
BBBJ and DFK are common without asking in Sao Paulo clinicas and clubs, but it is the opposite in Medellin casas and clubs. That is what this post is about.
1 million each and no BBBJ. Might be the most absurd thing I've ever read on here.
The Critic
08-02-22, 01:17
I think it may have to do with the location. There was one day last year, I rode Uber to an apartment in Bela Vista. The Uber driver spoke English and he recommended me to go to a club Caf Piu Piu which I went another night. Caf Piu Piu had a live band playing covers of American oldies from band like Journey and the crowd sang alone. When I arrived at the apartment, a girl happened to come out and she spoke English to me to help me ring the apartment. That night, I went to Bar dos Arcos. The door person who is a slender trans-person spoke some English. After I sat down in the bar, there was a couple to my left greeted me with English. Then the bartender spoke English to me too. Later the roommate of the bartender came and sat on the right. He spoke English too. Asked me if I wanted drugs, or girls and maybe tried to hit on me. LOL. All of these happened on the same day. I know you talked about club and girls. I thought it was funny that I met so many English speaking Brazilians in one day.I have found a significant amount of Paulistanos (SP Brasilians) understand and speak English. The question is when do they speak english? When they "choose to." However, they do understand you. One reason they speak english is that Sao Paulo is the Financial Capital of Brasil and many US Based Multinational companies (in addition to other international companies where English is spoken as the "language of business / commerce") do significant business in SP and Brasil as a whole. Usually the Brasilian based employees of these multinational companies speak english among other languages.
So yes a lot of Paulistanos (and Brasilians as a whole in certain locations, service / tourist industries, and education levels) do speak english outside of work enviroments if they "choose to. " and have a interest in you.
With all that being said it's best for Anyone, If they can and have the time and will to Learn and Understand Portuguese. Your experiences in Brasil will be greatly enhanced.
After a food court merchant in Ibirapuera mall charged my CC R500 for a R25 bill, I am bit careful with where I use my CC. Luckily I noticed the charge so I could able to dispute it and get my money back.And thanks for confirming how one indeed must remain careful and vigilant when using a credit card in Brazil. We didn't need to get too many posts in after this issue came up (again) to confirm what I'm saying did we LOL! Now, of course fraud, overcharging, and so on can happen anywhere. But the point is that it's far more likely to happen in a place like Brazil than it is in other places like the United States or Germany for example. I wasn't born yesterday, and I've been using credit cards all over the world for virtually my whole adult life. I know how to travel and be safe. I've never been robbed, and I've never had my credit cards hacked. A newbie (nothing personal towards anybody) with just one (or even only a few) trips to Brazil can't tell me how Brazil works, including telling me don't plan on using cash because hardly anybody accepts it there LMAO! You and I (and everybody here who is well-traveled in Brazil) knows that's simply not true and an exaggeration.
Yes, Brazilian people are using credit cards and debit cards everywhere and always have in modern times. I'm not questioning that. But number one, that doesn't mean it's as safe to use a credit card in Brazil as say in more developed and prosperous countries. And number two, like everybody else they were using cash first LOL, and that hasn't stopped (yet). It will stop in the United States before it will in Brazil, and we aren't there yet (I acknowledge some particular circumstances in some African countries led to pay by mobile device being more prevalent than by either cash or credit card). So people look. You plan to spend in the form that you want to when in Brazil (credit card or cash). Me? In Brazil I'm sticking mostly with cash for the aforementioned reasons, with occasional credit card use at establishments I have a warranted high degree of trust in (that would exclude food court merchants).
Posted by Jet69 prettiest woman of the two countries is Colombia. During my almost 1 month stay in SP, the woman I saw on the streets, everyday woman, are of no comparison to the beauty of woman in Colombia. With that said, the working woman of both countries are fantastic .Thanks for the excellent report.
I have a similar observation after walking around in SP, taking the Metro, buying stuff in Malls, and going to Ibirapuera Park with my Scandallo Garota and her son, going out to the clubs with guys from the barbershop, visiting neighborhood bars to sing with cover bands, the everyday SP women I saw were ok. My head wasn't on a swivel checking out everyday women compared to DR where they seem to be everywhere, malls, shops, and on the Metro.
Thanks for the excellent report.
I have a similar observation after walking around in SP, taking the Metro, buying stuff in Malls, and going to Ibirapuera Park with my Scandallo Garota and her son, going out to the clubs with guys from the barbershop, visiting neighborhood bars to sing with cover bands, the everyday SP women I saw were ok. My head wasn't on a swivel checking out everyday women compared to DR where they seem to be everywhere, malls, shops, and on the Metro.Got to be at the right malls or neighborhood but all depends on your "type."
With a population of 220 M there are all sorts of shapes and sizes.
..., here they scan your card in front of you, and often it is contactless..Here is one of the credit card devices. They usually will have several. This one also accepts Apply Pay.
... the everyday SP women I saw were ok. ....I think if one prefers European look, SP may be better.
It's on the second floor by the SUBWAY fast food restaurant. You should be able to find it by looking up while on the first floor.It has a 300 withdraw limit at GRU. Someone has mentioned to decline the conversion on this screen.
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