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DreamCarnarvon

12-28-22, 13:08

I understand it's not an easy job having to spread your legs for dudes that you may not feel any attraction towards for R100-150 an hour so I have to take this experience with a grain of salt. It's still early during my trip to Brazil, but so far I'm not impressed.As it's your first Brazil experience, you are not going to get everything right. Mistakes will happen but what's important is that you will get to learn from them. A couple of suggestions on how to navigate the SP clinicas:

1) Some of the girls only work part-time and only work a couple days out of the week. So it's important to have the clinicas add your WhatsApp number so you can receive their daily girl status.

2) The most well reviewed and popular girl (s) in the clinicas are naturally going to be the busiest. One way to work around that is to message or call the clinica and book an appointment ahead of time.

3) Always take the managers / receptionists suggestions with a grain of salt. They are working for the clinicas and not you. And I wouldn't bother with asking them for recommendations as most of them don't have a clue about the girls service quality. Always go by the TDs on GP Guia.

4) You can ask the receptionist to send the girl out and have a quick one on one talk with them. Ask them directly about specific services that you are looking for: Voce the beija de língua sem frescura? (Do you DFK without frills?) Voce faz oral sem camisinha? (Do you do BBBJ) Voce deixa ser chupada? (Do you allow DATY) Voce faz beijo grego? (Do you do rimming) Voce faz anal? (Do you do anal).

5) Last but not least, go to Clinica Brooklin and ask for Amanda. She used to work at Clinica Prime under the name Jaqueline. I sessioned with her twice back then and she is absolutely fantastic. She loves DFK and is super passionate and affectionate. She offers BBBJ, DATY and will allow you to fuck her in any position for as long as you like. You can check out her TDs and they are all positives.

Nounce

12-28-22, 13:44

Hi, hope everyone had a good Christmas.

Its 41 days until my first trip to Sao Paulo and can't wait. I've booked an apartment next to the MASP but I can't check in until 3 pm but unfortunately my plane is supposed to land in Sao Paulo at 6 am from the UK.

I've emailed the apartment to see if I can pay extra to check in early but someone else is staying there the night before so I can't. I don't want to be walking around Sao Paulo with my money, passport etc so not sure what to do in the meantime, anyone got any ideas.

I've thought about either hanging around the airport, getting food and trying to find somewhere to sleep or booking a room or sleep capsule inside or near the airport for a few hours.

What would you lot suggest?

Thanks.Did you ask the host if you can drop off your luggage early before check-in? That may offer you some flexibility.

Axel Heyst

12-28-22, 13:45

(1) You should try all clinicas around the area. (2) I usually don't tip. (3) Since it will be your first time going to Scandallo, I suggest you go before 7 PM and the extrada is 300 all consumable. I agree with #1. Clinicas are a wonderful SP afternoon venue and place to meet fun girls and fool around. The clinicas provide the best bang for your buck opportunities in Sao Paulo. So, definitely try a few Moema clinicas in the afternoon.

I also agree with #2. Brazil is not a tipping culture unlike say Thailand. Brazilian girls do not expect a tip, so my advice is don't rock the boat. Do not tip the girls.

But I disagree with #3. The whole Raison-d'etre of Scandallo is to experience (see, roam around & choose from) the large, remarkable display of quality girls of all shapes and sizes that hang out there. But things do not really get going until 10 pm and the place is very quiet before 7 pm with only a fraction of the girls that show up later. The large entertainment bar and the courtyard bar will be roped off and closed until around 9 pm. Sure some afternoon Scandallo girls are very nice, but for the most part these afternoon Scandallo girls are not much different in quality than the better looking clinica girls you can have at a fraction of the cost in the afternoon in Moema. So, you will not have the true Scandallo experience if you go before 7 pm and you will be left wondering what all the talk and high praise is about. Therefore, I strongly recommend a 1st time punter to wait until 9 pm or 10 pm and then check out the numero uno bordello / nightclub in all of South America. You won't be sorry. In addition, not all Scandallo nights are equal. Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday nights are the hottest, best nights to be there.

P.S. In the same vein, I highly recommend 11:30 pm as the absolute earliest to show up at Casarao. This amazing boate, which kind of acts as the counter opposite of high class Scandallo, opens at 10 pm, but the place does not get rocking until 11:30 pm at the earliest with after midnight being an even better time to go and not miss the experience of its wall-to-wall SP girls.

Nounce

12-28-22, 13:56

I am assuming you don't know these.

... Amanda has the best reviews on gpguia and as luck would have it, she was not available when I got to the Spa. ....You can schedule her by WhatsApp. I think they are pretty good at scheduling.

... but did share my experience with the receptionist who only charged me R200. ....You can ask for it next time, my guess is that price will stick. If you want to make sure you get the discount, post the same review you wrote here on GPG using Portuguese and show it the the receptionist to get the forista discount. Last time I went, the forista discount was 170

The answer for the GPG registration question is avion when I registered.

I see the reviews of some other clinicas that were removed are back on GPG

Georgest

12-28-22, 14:39

You should try all clinicas around the area. They are owned by the same owner and some girls work between them. The owner pull the reviews from GPG so you no longer see them. They were once moved to another forum but last time I looked, that forum was down.

I usually don't tip. If you read reviews, they never mention tipping either. I have never seen locals tip when I went to local restaurants. Their setup is also not helpful for tipping. I tip occasionally when I feel the girl goes extra mile like going over time. Most expensive restaurants will have tip included in the bill. I had udon for lunch today. I think second item is tip. 10% service charge is also common.

Since it will be your first time going to Scandallo, I suggest you go before 7 PM and the extrada is 300 all consumable. Find a seat in the restaurant and have dinner there. You probably will see the girls line up on the bar counter to get your attention. Some girls may approach you and you will be in driver seat when you chat with the girl. You can kill 1 hour or more there if you eat slowly lol. I will order coffee or just move to the cafe to have some desert. Then wait for the club and outdoor area to open and the girls to arrive, then followed by live music later. Look at it this way, 300 is not much for a dinner in Sao Paulo in a nice place. If you enjoy food, there are many excellent food choices.Quick question on all consumable? Is this include your drinks as well or just food and non-alcoholic beverages?

SoberHans69

12-28-22, 16:16

Did you ask the host if you can drop off your luggage early before check-in? That may offer you some flexibility.That's a good idea, thanks. I'll message them and see.

WonderWhy

12-28-22, 23:31

The first time I came to Sao Paulo I had some time between flights. A friend had me meet him at Tangara and they stored my luggage for the few hours I was there. Apparantly they will do that if you ask.

That's a good idea, thanks. I'll message them and see.

WonderWhy

12-28-22, 23:36

I love being in Sao Paulo. It is the only place I have been where my body runs out of capability before I run out of money. I met with a girlfriend I have known for 4 years when I arrived yesterday. We had lunch and a wonderful love making sesssion. Today a different girl friend I have known for almost the same time was supposed to come to me but put it off til late tonight. Sooooo what to do, go to Tangara for old times sake. Susan was there and it was great to get to see her again. Hmmmm can I do it? Well, only way to know is try. So she suggests two girls, I pick one and wow did I pick correctly. Now the second girlfriend is on her way over and wants to party. Grin, I will report how the body performs.

Rogerrules

12-29-22, 01:47

Firstly, many thanks to Nounce, Axel Heyst, DreamCarnarvon, The Critic et al. I really appreciate the solid advice on how to go about things in Brazil and the different points of view from these fine gentlemen.

Brooklin Massagem: I went here this afternoon and four girls were presented, one ruiva, two brunettes and a black girl. The redhead was sexy and I was tempted but I ended up choosing the brunette named Duda as I recalled reading good reviews of her. 24 years old, very cute face with a plump body but I dug her. She happened to speak pretty decent English for a Brazilian clinica girl so that made the session a little more interesting. She gave an awesome BBBJ where I asked her to slow down and she engaged in some stellar BLS and literally made gentle love to my cock. Put the rubber on and we went at it in ppmm (papa mama which is Brazilian for missionary LOL) where I enjoyed looking at her pretty face and kissing her before I shot my load after 15 minutes. We had an engaging conversation until the buzzer rang and all in all an hour of my life that was well spent.

Scandallo: I plan on visiting tomorrow and will go with Axel's advice and pay the are $500 and try to experience the place at its peak after 10 PM, rather than getting in before 7 PM to save are $200. Don't want to be tired of the place before it really starts kickin, though judging from all the posts that would be unlikely. Even if I don't pull I hope to get some contacts for the slow days around New years for outcalls to my hotel.

Casarao: I'll definitely be visiting this club, given the high praise from Bearsi and other members as well as the cost effectiveness.

ATM scam: When I arrived in SP on Monday, I was weary of using the ATM at the airport given the jacked up fees etc. I had a recollection that some board member had used the ATM at the same hotel where I am stayng with a positive review so I took it to be a safe bet. As expected I was prompted to go with a shitty pre-determined exchange rate for the withdrawal in USD which I quickly rejected so as to get the withdrawal in Reais and let Schwab handle the rest for me. What I didn't pick up on in my tiredness / jetlag is the amount listed for the service fee from the ATM for the transaction. My eyes and my mind told me that for the R2,300 withdrawal it was R30 (6). I withdrew my cash and was on my merry way, though I did think the $509 withdrawal notification alert from my account was high, I was too focused on getting myself balls deep in Brazilian pussy to worry too much at the time. When I looked carefully at my receipt this morning I realized, what I thought was a R30 charge, was really are $309 - that's close to $60 USD on a withdrawal of around $450. I'm not even going to bother with the poor conversion rate in relation to the XE rate that I got. I have since read some posts mostly on the Rio forum about such BS and the recommendation is to withdraw from Bradesco or Santander. If there are any better options that myself and other newbies can use, please share.

The Critic

12-29-22, 02:32

Quick question on all consumable? Is this include your drinks as well or just food and non-alcoholic beverages?Includes, Alcoholic and non-Alcoholic and Food.

Steve 9696

12-29-22, 03:25

I agree with #1. Clinicas are a wonderful SP afternoon venue and place to meet fun girls and fool around. The clinicas provide the best bang for your buck opportunities in Sao Paulo. So, definitely try a few Moema clinicas in the afternoon.

I also agree with #2. Brazil is not a tipping culture unlike say Thailand. Brazilian girls do not expect a tip, so my advice is don't rock the boat. Do not tip the girls.

But I disagree with #3. The whole Raison-d'etre of Scandallo is to experience (see, roam around & choose from) the large, remarkable display of quality girls of all shapes and sizes that hang out there. But things do not really get going until 10 pm and the place is very quiet before 7 pm with only a fraction of the girls that show up later. The large entertainment bar and the courtyard bar will be roped off and closed until around 9 pm. Sure some afternoon Scandallo girls are very nice, but for the most part these afternoon Scandallo girls are not much different in quality than the better looking clinica girls you can have at a fraction of the cost in the afternoon in Moema. So, you will not have the true Scandallo experience if you go before 7 pm and you will be left wondering what all the talk and high praise is about. Therefore, I strongly recommend a 1st time punter to wait until 9 pm or 10 pm and then check out the numero uno bordello / nightclub in all of South America. You won't be sorry. In addition, not all Scandallo nights are equal. Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday nights are the hottest, best nights to be there.

P.S. In the same vein, I highly recommend 11:30 pm as the absolute earliest to show up at Casarao. This amazing boate, which kind of acts as the counter opposite of high class Scandallo, opens at 10 pm, but the place does not get rocking until 11:30 pm at the earliest with after midnight being an even better time to go and not miss the experience of its wall-to-wall SP girls.Got to agree with Axel on this. Scandallo is not Scandallo until late night. 10 would be the bare minimum earliest I would go. It will get busier at 11 and 12 and beyond. It will be rocking till the wee hours. But I'the say shoot more for like 10 or 11. Even later is fine.

Bearsi

12-29-22, 03:53

Sports cars are not very common in Sao Paulo and definitely not the Bomboa girls have them. Looks more like a Jeepy.Considering Sao Paulo's status as the financial capital of SP / Brazil and even South America for that matter it does surprise me that there isn't really a lot sport cars or luxury cars in the city. I've only seen a few BMWs, Range Rovers and Porsches in the wild and the few supercars I've seen were parked in the scadallo parking garage. As a Florida native its not uncommon to see a 1909 Ford Model T driving down the road with a 2023 Ferrari Daytona SP3 on it's tail. Even taking a trip to the Holy Temple of the local Publix Supermarket you'll see some Rolls and Bentleys sprinkled around the parking lots.

I know Sao Paulo and Brazil isn't exactly as prosperous as old money cities in the US but it's still a HUGE international financial hub so that always surprised me when staying in Sao Paulo. I've been there 5 times now and I usually stay 2 weeks on average so that part always stands out for me as I am a car enthusiast.

The Cane

12-29-22, 04:03

Got to agree with Axel on this. Scandallo is not Scandallo until late night. 10 would be the bare minimum earliest I would go. It will get busier at 11 and 12 and beyond. It will be rocking till the wee hours. But I'd say shoot more for like 10 or 11. Even later is fine.If you want to have dinner and have a relaxed look around (advisable for a newbie), and maybe even score a quality fuck with a hottie before things are at full blast, arrive between 7 and 8 pm. Walk around and have a look and explore to get familiar with the layout and where things are. Eat dinner. Might even strike up a new friendship with a garota who you wouldn't mind dining with. Then later head up to the room and dine between her thighs! I've started off many a great night at Scandallo this way. Get in a decent meal and a quality fuck early before prime time has even started! Then settle in and have a drink. And then maybe another. Scoping and on high alert for that next hot piece of ass. And if you're at Scandallo then you're bound to find her! Now if you don't want dinner then OK show up later. But I would still say be there before 10, like maybe between 8 and 9, to have a shot at bedding a super hottie who just might be milling around then before another monger can pull and mount her in the room. I have met (and fucked) some super hot Brazilian girls that I met at Scandallo almost as soon as I arrived between 7 and 8. And if not, then I have dinner and get on that ass later on in the night. But I've had solid luck scoring early when it's still fresh LOL! This is just me and how I like to do. Get some early. Then get some more late. Works for me!

Bearsi

12-29-22, 06:20

Doing Individual Reports on some boates I've visited during my September Trip.

Casarao is my new favorite place in Sao Paulo.

I went during the end of my stay in Sao Paulo which is unfortunate but after the first visit I went every night.

ENTRANCE FEE is 50 brl or 100 brl if you come after a certain time I think, my memory fails me sometimes. Regardless it's pretty cheap. They give you a card like scadallo to pay for your drinks.

TIME: the place opens at 10 pm but girls don't start pouring in til 11:30 and the place is pretty packed at 12:30 so best bet is to come at midnight.

I made the mistake of coming in at 10:30 pm. I went with a buddy who had been there before during his last trip and he didn't like it but it was open so we decided to check it out. They have completely renovated the space since he last came because he was impressed. Apparently it was a cheap local scene where guys would wear basketball shorts and tank tops and so attracted the sub par talent. New management completely changed that and made the place more upscaled without charging more. When we arrived there was only 10 girls. I asked one of the girls if more girls would come and she said they start coming in after 11 pm. Luckily we stayed to see and she was right. I saw a cute Ruiva walk past and so I chatted her up. She just came out from scandallo and told me that scandallo girls come here after their shift if they didn't land anyone or need some more cash as the entrance to come in is free before midnight for girls and 50 brl after which still isn't bad. So you can definitely see some solid 7's and 8's.

BAR: drinks here are pretty normal rate for boates. I didn't get too many girls ask me for drinks and the one's who did just got some coconut water or a redbull. I heard from others some girls will try to get you to buy them drinks so they can get a cut. I believe it so watch out. If you really want a drink tho you really need to make an effort because the bartenders would take forever to take my order every single time. I would just get a coke so nothing too fancy. Really annoying.

THE SPACE: There is two floors here. The first floor has a main dance space with a bar near the end, a dance pole on the side, little bar tables and a long wall to wall bar cushion couch thingy on the opposite side. There's a top floor where I guess you can pay VIP to get drinks and get a private lap dance but I never saw anyone go up there. The second floor has booths, another bar and a smoking area patio. Theres a bathroom up and down stairs. It's pretty spacious but once it's packed it's kind of hard to move around.

Wednesday-Friday they have girls doing some strip shows on the pole on the first floor.

THE GIRLS: You can find a good mix of everything here which is why I like it! Tall, short, black, pale, long hair, short hair, 20's-40's, pros and non pros, etc. The typical price for a girl for 30 mins is 300 brl and 1 hour is 400 brl. Usually depends on the girl of course. You can easily take a girl out and I believe it was like 50 brl to take them out which is great. This is where I met Brenda who will make an appearance in my Rio Report. I went with petite blonde, a mature MILF, a international chef and brenda who looks like ariel winters from the TV show modern family minus the huge rack. The first two I did 30 mins for 300 brl in the rooms next door. Great sessions! The chef girl I took back to my place and she did it for 800 brl but I asked her to stay for 4 hours (it was around 1 am when we left) so I could get 3 nuts in. She agreed. We went to my place in brooklin novo and we had a great time chatting and getting to know each other. She would massage my back after each break. It was a long day that day for me so after my first nut I was pretty drained. The only bad thing was that she did everything covered but the great thing is that she was a woman of her word and she told me that should not leave my place until she made me cum 3 times. You have to love Brazil. She was like 4'10 and really fit with abs so she was a great fuck. We ended up fucking til 8 am so we called some food on rappi and I sent her off at 9 am. One of my best session even though it was covered. She let me know about that before we left the club but I had a good feeling about her.

Brenda I got her number and you can read my time with her in my long SP report.

What's important is to go and talk to the girl your interested in right away because this place is full of girls but also guys. Its a good value so lots of guys here are not pussy footing around and will not hesitate to pull the trigger unlike scandallo. My buddy saw a girl he liked and he turned around and she was leaving with another guy. He waited around and as soon as she popped back in he went up to her and took her to the rooms. When he came back with the girl back to the club another guy immediately chatted her up and took her. It's really fast paced here. I also saw some girls I wanted to hit up but as soon as they went downstairs they disappeared or went with another guy. So if you snooze you lose. It's such good value it really doesn't hurt to just chat her up and at least get numbers.

THE ROOMS: The fee for the room I believe was like 100 brl or so for 1 hour and less for 30 mins. It's best to bring cash here to pay the girls and your room. You can use card but they charge an extra 10% the rooms are pretty nice. Good shower and the bed is like a queen size. There is a mirror on the ceiling so a big plus for me if you know me at all. The room is also the other reason this place is great! It's next door so when you pick your girl you have to leave the club and go next door.

I give this place a 9/10.

Its clean, cheap and a good variety of girls with decent pricing!

You can see a virtual tour of the place on their website.

https://casaraoaugusta.com.br/

The Critic

12-29-22, 09:26

Doing Individual Reports on some boates I've visited during my September Trip. Casarao is my new favorite place in Sao Paulo.
I went during the end of my stay in Sao Paulo which is unfortunate but after the first visit I went every night.Excellent and accurate reporting for Casarao. Newbies, the only way to get better knowledge is to go yourself.

Nounce

12-29-22, 12:41

...But I disagree with #3. The whole Raison-d'etre of Scandallo is to experience (see, roam around & choose from) the large, ....If there is one recommendation, I would say go early in the trip, instead of later.

Given the context, I was providing information for alternative, sort of nudging him to go ahead, and it is not about the best time to go. I am no longer certain about the best nights based on my personal experience. I think Thursday is reliable, but other nights I am not so sure. The best night I have been to is Wednesday when I have to wait for room. The worst night is also Wednesday when the club area is at least 1/3 empty with outdoor area closed and all regulars are missing. I have reported both here.

Nounce

12-29-22, 12:56

Considering Sao Paulo's status as the financial capital of SP / Brazil and even South America for that matter it does surprise me that there isn't really a lot sport cars or luxury cars in the city...I think it is relative. One will see Sao Paulo is well above the other Latin America cities if one compares Sao Paulo to Medeliin Colombia, for example. It will be very obvious.

Nounce

12-29-22, 13:22

Just some complementary information about Casarao, and this does not change a good report is a good report. I purposely stayed minutes walking distance away from Casarao for a month in my previous trip so I went there regularly just to experience it myself.

The room is R50 for 30 minutes, but according to locals they give you 10 minutes buffer so it is actually 40 minutes in total. I have not tested the 40 minutes limit. I paid by credit card once and it was R68 or R78 or something like that. It is much more than 10% so it was a surprise to me. Again, maybe it is 10% but it wasn't for me that one time. The girl also took me to the doorman for me to pay her by card but I refused and paid her by cash so that is a little weird too.

I think the room varies in size. I have only been to the small room which is about the size of 4 x4 room with smaller bed. It is cleaner than 4 x4.

One can pay R30 to enter without consumption. For R50, the extra R20 gives you two free beers. I met a few expats who are regulars. They are very efficient. They always pay $30 and pick a girl to fuck for 30 minutes.

The price the girl charges depending on the girls and appearance. Balboa said he paid 300 an hour but he is fluent in Portugueses and experienced. This is just a reference if you like to negotiate. I don't have the ability so I pay more. LOL

I was there (Casarao) on Thursday night. Each girl I talked to opened with a price of 250 for a half hour and 350 for the hour.

I went with 2 girls that night, separately.

Each girl I ended up paying 300 for the hour, BBBJ included, plus the room cost.
Definitely negotiate a little. They both said yes to 300 for an hour in an instant. Im thinking I could even ask for lower, but 300 seems fair for everyone.

Also, one of the girls I went with was telling me about her Euro namorado (boyfriend) that sends her money weekly.
She showed me their text messages professing love and saudades.
His contact name was Gringo, lol.
I asked her what she calls him in person, and she said, amor.
They have a nice Google translate love affair going.

Great time with each of the girls I sessioned with at Casarao.
Not looking for a girlfriend there though, lol.

The picture shows the hotel next door. When you leave, and want to re-enter later, they will give you a bracelet, then you can reenter without being charged again.

It is a good idea to ask the girl if they do BBBJ if you must have it.

If one is here during weekend, and is interested a little more about local culture. Are Augusta has many clubs, you can venture out walking toward west to people watch. That will help you kill some time.

Rogerrules

12-29-22, 14:40

Many thanks to Nounce, Axel Heyst, DreamCarnarvon, Bearsi, The Critic et al. I really appreciate the solid advice on how to go about things in Brazil and the different points of view from these fine gentlemen.

Brooklin Massagem: I went there yesterday afternoon and four girls were presented, one Ruiva, two brunettes and a black girl. The redhead was sexy and I was tempted but I ended up choosing the brunette named Duda as I recalled reading good reviews of her. 24 years old, very cute face with a plump body but I dug her. She happened to speak pretty decent English for a Brazilian clinica girl so that made the session a little more interesting. She gave an awesome BBBJ where I asked her to slow down and she engaged in some stellar BLS and literally made gentle love to my cock. Put the rubber on and we went at it in ppmm (papa mama which is Brazilian for missionary LOL) where I enjoyed looking at her pretty face and kissing her before I shot my load after 15 minutes. We had an engaging conversation until the buzzer rang and all in all an hour of my life that was well spent.

Scandallo: I plan on visiting today and will go with Axel's advice and pay the are $500 and try to experience the place at its peak after 10 PM, rather than getting in before 7 PM to save are $200. Don't want to be tired of the place before it really starts kickin, though judging from all the posts that would be unlikely. Even if I don't pull I hope to get some contacts for the slow days around New years for outcalls to my hotel.

Casarao: I'll definitely be visiting this club, given the high praise from Bearsi and other members as well as the cost effectiveness.

ATM scam: When I arrived in SP on Monday, I was weary of using the ATM at the airport given the jacked up fees etc. I had a recollection that some board member had used the ATM at the same hotel where I am staing with a positive review so I took it to be a safe bet. As expected I was prompted to go with a shitty pre-determined exchange rate for the withdrawal in USD which I quickly rejected so as to get the withdrawal in Reais and let Schwab handle the rest for me. What I didn't pick up on in my tiredness / jetlag is the amount listed for the service fee from the ATM for the transaction. My eyes and my mind told me that for the R2,300 withdrawal it was R30 (6). I withdrew my cash and was on my merry way, though I did think the $509 withdrawal notification alert from my account was high, I was too focused on getting myself balls deep in Brazilian pussy to worry too much at the time. When I looked carefully at my receipt this morning I realized, what I thought was a R30 charge, was really are $309 - that's close to $60 USD on a withdrawal of around $450. I'm not even going to bother with the poor conversion rate in relation to the XE rate that I got. I have since read some posts mostly on the Rio forum about such BS and the recommendation is to withdraw from Bradesco or Santander. If there are any better options that myself and other newbies can use, please share.

The Cane

12-29-22, 14:40

Doing Individual Reports on some boates I've visited during my September Trip. Casarao is my new favorite place in Sao Paulo. The place opens at 10 pm but girls don't start pouring in til 11:30 and the place is pretty packed at 12:30 so best bet is to come at midnight. I made the mistake of coming in at 10:30 pm. I went with a buddy who had been there before during his last trip and he didn't like it but it was open so we decided to check it out. They have completely renovated the space since he last came because he was impressed. Apparently it was a cheap local scene where guys would wear basketball shorts and tank tops and so attracted the sub par talent. New management completely changed that and made the place more upscaled without charging more. When we arrived there was only 10 girls. I asked one of the girls if more girls would come and she said they start coming in after 11 pm. Luckily we stayed to see and she was right. I saw a cute Ruiva walk past and so I chatted her up. She just came out from scandallo and told me that scandallo girls come here after their shift if they didn't land anyone or need some more cash as the entrance to come in is free before midnight for girls and 50 brl after which still isn't bad. So you can definitely see some solid 7's and 8's.Wow seems like they have really taken things up a notch there! Will definitely have to check it out again. And as as far as I'm concerned your great report is more evidence that it would be a good idea to hit Scandallo earlier so you can go to Casarao later. Maybe you will see some of the same garotas and be able to run up in that bunda for less hehehe!

WyattEarp

12-29-22, 17:19

Considering Sao Paulo's status as the financial capital of SP / Brazil and even South America for that matter it does surprise me that there isn't really a lot sport cars or luxury cars in the city. I've only seen a few BMWs, Range Rovers and Porsches in the wild and the few supercars I've seen were parked in the scadallo parking garage. As a Florida native its not uncommon to see a 1909 Ford Model T driving down the road with a 2023 Ferrari Daytona SP3 on it's tail. Even taking a trip to the Holy Temple of the local Publix Supermarket you'll see some Rolls and Bentleys sprinkled around the parking lots.

I know Sao Paulo and Brazil isn't exactly as prosperous as old money cities in the US but it's still a HUGE international financial hub so that always surprised me when staying in Sao Paulo. I've been there 5 times now and I usually stay 2 weeks on average so that part always stands out for me as I am a car enthusiast.Interesting observation.

I know a few affluent Paulistas. Not uber wealthy by any means. My observation is that they are very sensitive about security and transportation. They drive decent but practical cars. If we go out drinking at night, they have private car services that they know and use. They will never use taxis or ubers.

These are just my anecdotal observations. I never had a conversation with them about sports cars or luxury cars.

WyattEarp

12-29-22, 17:31

ATM scam: When I arrived in SP on Monday, I was weary of using the ATM at the airport given the jacked up fees etc. I had a recollection that some board member had used the ATM at the same hotel where I am stayng with a positive review so I took it to be a safe bet. As expected I was prompted to go with a shitty pre-determined exchange rate for the withdrawal in USD which I quickly rejected so as to get the withdrawal in Reais and let Schwab handle the rest for me. What I didn't pick up on in my tiredness / jetlag is the amount listed for the service fee from the ATM for the transaction. My eyes and my mind told me that for the R2,300 withdrawal it was R30 (6). I withdrew my cash and was on my merry way, though I did think the $509 withdrawal notification alert from my account was high, I was too focused on getting myself balls deep in Brazilian pussy to worry too much at the time. When I looked carefully at my receipt this morning I realized, what I thought was a R30 charge, was really are $309 - that's close to $60 USD on a withdrawal of around $450. I'm not even going to bother with the poor conversion rate in relation to the XE rate that I got. I have since read some posts mostly on the Rio forum about such BS and the recommendation is to withdraw from Bradesco or Santander. If there are any better options that myself and other newbies can use, please share.Please let us know how this all works out. Schwab is suppose to rebate the ATM fee. I have never tested the limit of this rebate. Regardless of the Schwab rebate, I generally avoid using ATMs at hotels, airports and clubs because they overcharge for the convenience. So I stick to major bank ATMs usually at a branch.

SocratesNY

12-29-22, 20:46

Some of my experiences regarding some of the recent discussions:

ATM fees:.

Some ATMs (Some in GRU near the exit and the Grand Hyatt Sao Paulo comes to mind) have a very high ATM fee structure based on a percentage of withdrawal. Thankfully both Schwab and my high end Chase account reimbursed the fees fully, which were $50 plus dollars per transaction. So for me, it's not a big deal, as long as I declined the conversion. With that sad, it is best to use a regular bank ATM in the city. I like Bradesco and Satander.

Scandallo entrance fee / min consumption:

It is pretty crazy to see the admission / minimun consumption double in less than 2 years. When I first went in May of 2021, It was R150 before 7 pm and R300 after 7 PM. It has crept to R200 / R400 earlier this year and now stands at R300 / R500. On some nights when they have special musical guest or events, It can be up to R600-800 after 7 pm!

The consumption portion can be used for food, alcohol, non-alcoholic drinks, tobacco products (cigars, cigarettes, vape pens), etc.

If you go there before 7:00 pm, you can return later in the same day / night and don't have to pay any additional entrance fee or minimum consumption. On your return visit, you just pay for whatever you consume. Please note that whatever leftover consumption from your earlier visit does not carry over to your return visit.

One useful strategy to save money that my friends and I have used is to get there before 7:00 pm, pool our consumption and get a bottle or two, and then return later in the evening after dinner somewhere else to drink the bottles. Any bottle you buy is good for 6 months. You can use your unfinished bottles upon your return visit. You can drink your bottle (s) over the course of days or weeks or months. The strategy is best when you're going with a few friends, but still can be useful if you are solo and plan to revisit the club.

Arriving before or after 7:00 PM:

They are pros and cons to both option besides the cheaper admission. I have been to the club as early as 2:00 pm and as late as 1:00 am.

I have found some real gems early in the afternoon / early evening. Those gems that I found were only there for short period of time, because they were getting over some difficult short-term financial situations. They chose to go to the club during the day, so it doesn't affect their normal personal lives, and can chalk it up to working a regular job during the day. While others just aren't night owls, big drinkers or don't want to compete with the night time talent.

It is very interesting to see the shift change that occurs between 6 to 9:00 pm You get to see a larger pool and variety of talent. Then they are some superstars who only show up after 11:00 pm as they are confident that they can always wheel in a guy, so they know they don't need to put in the full 8-hour shift to get a free invite the next day. Or they are financially secure enough to not care about the free invite.

It all comes down to whether you would get bored at the club by coming in earlier. When I go there early, it is usually with friends so time goes by quick. And we usually leave to go eat elsewhere and then return later in the evening when it's hopping. Other times, we go just before 7 pm and eat dinner there, as we don't want to stay up past midnight. So it's just a relaxing night out with the boys and the girls we pick for the night. BTW, the food is very good at Scandallo.

But like others have said, the afternoon / early evening pales in comparison to late night in terms of vibe, energy, amount of girls and guys. Before 7 or 8 pm, only the small bar by the elevator, restaurant and small outdoor patio are open. After 8 or 9 pm, depending on occupancy, they open the bigger outdoor terrace, which doubles occupancy space. After 9 to 10 pm, they open the club / disco, and the space doubles again!

I've found Wed and Thursday to be the busiest, followed by Tuesday and Friday, with Saturday being the slowest. It is crazy from 11 pm until 2-3 am, when it begins to calm down.

Gigi Buffon

12-30-22, 00:01

Considering Sao Paulo's status as the financial capital of SP / Brazil and even South America for that matter it does surprise me that there isn't really a lot sport cars or luxury cars in the city. I've only seen a few BMWs, Range Rovers and Porsches in the wild and the few supercars I've seen were parked in the scadallo parking garage. As a Florida native its not uncommon to see a 1909 Ford Model T driving down the road with a 2023 Ferrari Daytona SP3 on it's tail. Even taking a trip to the Holy Temple of the local Publix Supermarket you'll see some Rolls and Bentleys sprinkled around the parking lots.

I know Sao Paulo and Brazil isn't exactly as prosperous as old money cities in the US but it's still a HUGE international financial hub so that always surprised me when staying in Sao Paulo. I've been there 5 times now and I usually stay 2 weeks on average so that part always stands out for me as I am a car enthusiast.There are plenty, but you will not see those during the week. Paulistanos and Paulistas tend to drive them more during weekend, when they might not be stuck in traffic. Also, many keep their sport cars in their week-end houses, where they can drive more freely. If you were to visit any of the top buildings in VNC, Itaim, Jardins, Cidade Jardins you will notice the car garage are enclosed, with doors and fitted with all the whistles, inside those close box, there are plenty of Ferraris, Lambo, Porsche, Maserati, MB, and bullet proofed SUV and luxury cars.

Anaggie

12-30-22, 00:25

Interesting observation.

I know a few affluent Paulistas. Not uber wealthy by any means. My observation is that they are very sensitive about security and transportation. They drive decent but practical cars. If we go out drinking at night, they have private car services that they know and use. They will never use taxis or ubers.

These are just my anecdotal observations. I never had a conversation with them about sports cars or luxury cars.One of my suppliers in Colombia told me this many years back. In South America, one can tell how wealthy a person usually by the car they drive. Note. I said wealthy and not rich. Many wealthy businessmen will drive basic practical cars because they are less likely to get robbed or mugged in the street and will hire a driver / bodyguard. I still notice what kind of car they drive whenever I meet a new supplier and whenever they tell me they are poor, I laugh and tell them this story. They usually concur.

HiddenEye

12-30-22, 01:23

Deserves words of distinction! Clear writing and visual report.

There are many places in SP out of the comfort zone.

Doing Individual Reports on some boates I've visited during my September Trip.

Casarao is my new favorite place in Sao Paulo...

HiddenEye

12-30-22, 04:05

Wanted to mention this small story. Took a taxi near to a shopping in the Moema area. The taxi driver was an evangelist (religious music playing on his radio).

When he left me at the door of the clinica he said some moral quote like "these guys going to **** houses" (mais um cara indo para puteiro).

I could have said nothing, but decided to reply: Yeah, my girlfriend works there. (oh sim, minha nomarada trabalha alí oh).

Taxi driver replied: Didn't want to offend my friend (sem animo de ofender amigo).

Religious guys always suck. Those are the first to make the line in clinicas weekends.

Nounce

12-30-22, 06:12

Good tip about the wine.

... It is pretty crazy to see the admission / minimun consumption double in less than 2 years...This happens to Medellin high end clubs too. I think because the supply is limited. They may have figured out price increase did not reduce business so they did it. Coincidently, there are 3 posts complaining about how expensive Casarao has become on the last page or so on GPGuia.

Tonight I needed someone to share pizza with me in one of the best pizza restaurants. I contacted a girl and invited her to join me and did a video call. The girl likes wine so we ordered a bottle. The total is less than R500. I told the girl in WhatsApp that the dinner is no strings attached and she can leave after. She sent me this when we finished pizza before desert. LOL. We talked by WhatsApp in the restaurant and it was mostly in Portuguese but this message she wrote in English.

CatBert55

12-30-22, 15:07

Nuupter

12-30-22, 15:44

BurnMax2007

12-30-22, 15:45

I will be in Sao Paulo from January 3 - 31.

Please contact me if you want to meet up sometime.

WonderWhy

12-30-22, 16:25

Read reviews for massage near Santo Andre on GP Guia. One had good reviews for excellent massage but was warned is a Gilf. Advertises for 200 for an hour. I have a date tonight so did not actually want to blow my load. Mostly wanted to see what is considered good here in Santo Andre. A middle aged MILF did meet me at the door. Pleasant smile and hug. She does have nice breasts and the massage consisted mostly of rubbing those all over me. No therapeutic massage at all and that is actually what I needed this morning. She could not understand why I did not finish and really tried hard to make it happen. Was ok and we talked with translator for a while. Said she is studying psychology at the hospital. I gave her 200 R even though I was only there for an hour because she really was sweet and tried hard. The ad photos are probably a few years old.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/abc-paulista/santo-andre/coroa-muito-carinhosa-que-adora-as-preliminares-id-sx5pw

Bearsi

12-30-22, 18:33

The exit and re-entry strategy no longer works. They fixed that loophole. I tried to do that, got in by 5 paid $300 all consumption, then tried to exit before using it. The lady said if I entered later after exiting I need to pay $500.Do you have to use up the consumption before you leave and then they'll let you back in with no charge or are you saying even if you use the consumption before you leave they'll still charge you to come back in?

It's easy to use up the consumption at this joint and advisable since you'll just be throwing away money if not. Food is great and can definitely replace a lunch or dinner meal.

From open time til 10 pm its just an upscaled hooters restaurant. Less space and less girls. All you can do is eat and drink since everything is closed off so you're just a sitting duck for the waiters to fuck you and then the girls to slap a fork in you and call it a day. I see no reason to go before 9 pm because of this and less more so with this new development!

The nerve! I have half a mind of writing the brazilin ambassador to the US and the president of brasil for this atrocity!

WyattEarp

12-30-22, 18:59

The nerve! I have half a mind of writing the Brazilian ambassador to the US...............No need to write him. You can just speak to him at Scandallo when he's in town.

Raul69

12-30-22, 20:07

What exactly are clinicas? Like small brothels? How do I find them? Going to Brazil in March for the first time. Trying to find something like that. German eros brothels style.

Axel Heyst

12-30-22, 21:26

Random observations over the last few days.

I stayed a few nights at the JW Marriott. Used to be the Four Seasons and, in fact, Uber shows the pick-up as being the Four Seasons Hotel. The hotel was great and the rooms much better than the Renaissance, but I would not recommend for mongering. They're aren't any safes in the rooms so I wouldn't feel comfortable bringing back someone I just met.

Went to Bomboa Tuesday night. Room fee was are $170, not $150 as reported earlier.

Scandallo Thursday night was dead. I was there from 10:00 until midnight. The outdoor area next to the restaurant was closed off, the upstairs was closed off, and overall just had the pandemic era vibe. Took a Blanca back to my hotel (I moved to the Grand Hyatt). I felt like I was overpaying a bit but the little head was thinking, not the big head. However, she and the little head were muito simpatico and the big head thanked the little head later.Hey CatBert, I appreciated your reportage about Scandallo on Thursday night (I assume it was on the night of Dec 29,2 nights before New Year's Eve.) because it is looking more and more likely that my next trip after my May / June upcoming visit will be over December 2023/ January 2024. A few BM's have already given me some insight into what to expect over the holidays and into the first week of January and your report confirms it.

On prior trips I have been to Scandallo on a couple of different national holiday nights and it was a similar vibe and situation to the one you reported. Like you I was able to find a nice girl anyway, but my ace in the hole for next Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, and New Year's Eve is my Valerie. I will have her over all 3 nights for an intimate, quiet time and after the New Year's I will probably take her somewhere nice for that 1st week in January 2024.

P.S. The Sao Paulo JW does not do it for me. #1. It is too damn expensive. #2. It has an inconvenient location. 3. It has an indoor pool. And #4. While I am not worried about having a girl over because I can always place my valuables in a locked suitcase, a wall safe is a lot more convenient. Plus, the JW SP does not accept Chase Marriott annual voucher nights, so the hell with them. I like the Renaissance, but not at ++ $250/ night. Ha Ha. I would rather spend my hard-earned money at Scandallo and Bomboa on smokin' hot girls. I like 5-star hotels, but I am not in love with 5-star hotels. KKK. The Grand Hyatt SP, on the other hand, is a pretty good deal for what you get for a lot less $$.

KcDark

12-31-22, 01:40

Hey CatBert, I appreciated your reportage about Scandallo on Thursday night (I assume it was on the night of Dec 29,2 nights before New Year's Eve.) because it is looking more and more likely that my next trip after my May / June upcoming visit will be over December 2023/ January 2024. A few BM's have already given me some insight into what to expect over the holidays and into the first week of January and your report confirms it.

On prior trips I have been to Scandallo on a couple of different national holiday nights and it was a similar vibe and situation to the one you reported. Like you I was able to find a nice girl anyway, but my ace in the hole for next Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, and New Year's Eve is my Valerie. I will have her over all 3 nights for an intimate, quiet time and after the New Year's I will probably take her somewhere nice for that 1st week in January 2024.

P.S. The Sao Paulo JW does not do it for me. #1. It is too damn expensive. #2. It has an inconvenient location. 3. It has an indoor pool. And #4. While I am not worried about having a girl over because I can always place my valuables in a locked suitcase, a wall safe is a lot more convenient. Plus, the JW SP does not accept Chase Marriott annual voucher nights, so the hell with them. I like the Renaissance, but not at ++ $250/ night. Ha Ha. I would rather spend my hard-earned money at Scandallo and Bomboa on smokin' hot girls. I like 5-star hotels, but I am not in love with 5-star hotels. KKK. The Grand Hyatt SP, on the other hand, is a pretty good deal for what you get for a lot less $$.Thank you for sharing all of this. How is the location of Grand Hyatt in terms of getting around SP? The Renaissance, from other reports, seems like the ideal location to stay but like you said, it is $$.

SocratesNY

12-31-22, 03:50

I am surprised to hear that there is no safe in the room. When I stayed there in July there was a full laptop safe. However, I stayed at one of their suites, which I found spacious and modern.

I agree that the location isn't ideal for nightlife, and I probably prefer the Grand Hyatt which is nearby and offers better overall service and amenities.

The one positive I found was that their lounge was open 24 hours and you can get beers and even Red bulls from the fridge and take them to your room at any time.

Their breakfast selection was pretty mediocre, but I chalked it up to it's new opening when I stayed.

I am also surprised to hear that you can no longer use the Marriott CC free night certificates, as I used one for my stay early this year. Their cash rates are pretty high, and they need to step up their game big time to compete at those prices.

Papae Noel

12-31-22, 04:55

Nuupter

12-31-22, 05:48

Do you have to use up the consumption before you leave and then they'll let you back in with no charge or are you saying even if you use the consumption before you leave they'll still charge you to come back in?

Yes ,if you don't use your consumption,and leave,it will go to waste, even if you do use them and exit, reenter again,you need to pay the $500, thats if its after 7pm. Not sure what you pay if you exit at 3pm, and reenter at 5pm

It's easy to use up the consumption at this joint and advisable since you'll just be throwing away money if not. Food is great and can definitely replace a lunch or dinner meal.

From open time til 10 pm its just an upscaled hooters restaurant. Less space and less girls. All you can do is eat and drink since everything is closed off so you're just a sitting duck for the waiters to fuck you and then the girls to slap a fork in you and call it a day. I see no reason to go before 9 pm because of this and less more so with this new development!

The nerve! I have half a mind of writing the Brazilian ambassador to the US and the president of brasil for this atrocity!Yes, if you don't use your consumption, and leave, it will go to waste, even if you do use them and exit, reenter again, you need to pay the $500, that's if its after 7 pm. Not sure what you pay if you exit at 3 pm, and reenter at 5 pm.

GeneHickman

12-31-22, 06:09

Axel Heyst

12-31-22, 14:31

Axel. I have two separate stays booked in April. All nights are redemption. Cash rates are really too much, but I had some free nights to use. I don't have a Marriott CC, but instead have the Ritz Carlton Visa. Don't think that would make any difference at all.

This will be my first stay at the Sao Paulo JW. I am done with the Renaissance.

Thanks Papae Noel for reminding me of the terms of the Chase Marriott BONVOY Boundless credit card vouchers. The specific terms are: "Receive 1 Free Night Award every year after your Card account anniversary. Award can be used for one night (redemption level at or under 35,000 Marriott Bonvoy points) at a participating hotel. " with the key restriction being REDEMPTION LEVEL AT OR UNDER 35,000 POINTS. My mistake was forgetting that rates vary over time depending on hotel demand. When I was 1st looking for hotels for my May / June 2023 trip the Renaissance was over that 35,000 pt ceiling, so I booked a room at the Sheraton with my voucher certificate. The Sheraton is not a bad hotel, but in that neighborhood, I prefer the Hilton next door and the Grand Hyatt about 5 blocks away.

Anyway, I just checked the Mariott site and the Renaissance is now available for 27,000 pts on the date I had in mind, so I cancelled my voucher Sheraton reservation and booked the Renaissance instead with my newly restored voucher. The reservation is only for one night, because I am low on Marriott points thanks to my previous weeklong free stay at the Renaissance last October on points. I like the Renaissance, but not at current money prices. And note: the Renaissance is a very popular hotel. When I was last there in October the lobby bar was overflowing with guests even after midnight. These family & couples were so many that they crowded out the FL's who on my previous stays used to sit comfortably at the bar. The hotel guests even took over the bench outside the hotel preventing Valerie and I from smoking weed there. HA HA. No worries, we smoked on the other side of the hotel, and no one bothered us.

FlowState985

01-01-23, 05:04

What exactly are clinicas? Like small brothels? How do I find them? Going to Brazil in March for the first time. Trying to find something like that. German eros brothels style.It's pretty much what you described. They are all over the city, mostly concentrated in Moema. Great for daytime activities.

CatBert55

01-01-23, 15:15

A few more random observations.

First, I provided bad intel about the JW Marriott. Based on responses below, I looked more closely when I stayed there last night, and sure, enough, there's a safe in one of the drawers.

I went to Bomboa again Friday 12/30. The place was dead. Maybe 7 girls, 5 of which were sitting at a table with a bunch of locals. Time was about 10 pm. There were more guys in the place than women. Right before I was about to leave the locals left, freeing up a real stunner who was not only the stereotypical Brazilian beauty (curvy but no extra fat) but was just tipsy enough to be completely uninhibited in the room without being sloppy.

Saturday night (12/31) all the boates were closed. Oh, well.

I've spent NYE in Rio before and the vibe in Sao Paulo was completely different. I chatted with the bartender at the JW Marriott and he told me it was typical for Paulistanos to travel over NYE which may explain why everything was shut down.

Jimmy Boy 99

01-01-23, 17:26

What exactly are clinicas? Like small brothels? How do I find them? Going to Brazil in March for the first time. Trying to find something like that. German eros brothels style.Clinicas are brothels posing as massage parlors. Prives are the same thing except smaller. See the below for list of them and their locations. Use google translate to read the reviews of girls. Prices posted are for gp-guia members who post, so you will pay more if you are not.

Clinicas https://www.gp-guia.net/viewforum.php?f=8.

Prives https://www.gp-guia.net/viewforum.php?f=9.

WonderWhy

01-02-23, 13:08

Bearsi

01-02-23, 19:19

I was not able to get any photoacompanhantes girl to answer me all day and none of the clinics were open so I made my first visit to Casarao. My first surprise was how easy it was to get to and how safe I felt there. The second surprise was them asking for ID. They did accept my US drivers license which was good because I don't carry my passport around. As a suggestion you might want to make a copy of your passport to take with you. The third surprise was how small it is. I arrived at 11:00 so it may open more later.

There were few girls there and I had not actually intended to session with anyone just learn. However I stopped to talk with one brunette GND type. After awhile I suggested we go down stairs where it is quieter and sit for a while. I love affection and she was showing signs of being good at it. She asked me to purchase her a gin and tonic and showed me that it would be 83 r. I said that was expensive but I decided it might be worth it. When it came she got some of the foam on her lips and french kissed me with it. Mmm yup I decided correctly. More girls were coming in and some were thinner and prettier but I am in the game for the affection. She explained that it would be 50 R for a room and 250 for her for 30 minutes or 300 for the hour. I don't remember the room rate change. Then she said if I wanted her to come to my hotel it was 150 to the house and 500 to her and she would make it very worth my while. I added up the costs and benefits and it was a no brainer. She finished her drink and we headed out.

You will be interested to know that I paid my entrance and her take out fee with my credit card and they did not put a fee on it. No percentage etc. She then wanted to get something to eat and we ended up at a burger place across the street. Again no concern about being safe. She had said she would purchase her own dinner and even bought me a soda. Though I could have easily done that I was interested in how she would keep her word and she did.

She ordered an Uber and asked if I would reimburse her. Of course! Arrived at the hotel after the ride where she was kissing and hugging tight into me. And she was as good as she had claimed. Fourth surprise. Wonderful oral no condom and very good muscle on the main event. An hour later she asked for the reciprical massage I had suggested. I gave hers first and she fell asleep. Then woke up and gave me mine. She said she would stay with me til 3:30 and set her alarm and cuddled into me. We both woke to her alarm and she changed it to 4:40 and cuddled into me. When it went off she turned it off and cuddled into me. At 6 she suggested another round which I gladly accepted. Wow what oral.

She is not a call girl but a civilian who only goes on occasion making a little extra so did not want a review or number out. If you happen to meet a brunette with large breasts that loves to cuddle and kiss you probably found her.THIS is why I consider SP over Rio.

There is alot non pros / civilians in boates like scandalo and casasrao, two of my favorite places in SP although I'm more inclined to casarao considering it's a better value.

There are pros and cons for a girl who is a civilian / non pro but I believe it's more pros.

They don't nickel and dime you, they aren't the best negotiators and they don't watch the clock since they don't have 4 other clients to rush to and keep a schedule with. It feels more authentic and just a more organic interaction. They most likely won't rob you and they only want to make double what they make at work for the day which is like 100-200 brl, so 500 for the night is great for them.

The only cons I can think of is trying to see them again as they have regular jobs so it's hard to try to meet during the day or do an overnight. They also might be not as experienced as a pro.

The only place in Rio that comes close to casarao is Dolce Vita which also doesn't get packed til after midnight.

Lots of pros and some non pros there. Had a good experience there which I will write in my rio report. But as in all things in rio, it's a tiny place compared to SP standards. I would see the same girls all the time so the variety isn't there. One can find non pros all over rio but that takes time and great porto which is in short supply for most of us so it's not really in the cards.

Jignesh

01-04-23, 04:27

Axel Heyst

01-04-23, 15:00

2. Read a comment that Scandallo should be the earlier part of my trip. But, would Sunday night be slow? Should I do Wed instead? Of course, thoroughly read about the two options, aka slow dinner at 9 pm vs not arriving until midnight. Clear on that part.

3. I don't know any Porto. I would love to, but two weeks is perhaps enough just to say "Hello," and equivalent of "meu portugus ando bom". Can I still navigate the major clubs / clinicas? On that note, happy to hang with fellow ISG'ers if you are around.2. Scandallo is closed on Sundays. Casarao, however, is open, but it does not open until 10 pm, and it is best to go around midnight. Wednesday is usually a very good night to go to Scandallo.

3. Portuguese is a plus, but not a necessity. Google translate works fine and the girls are used to using it with foreigners. Just be sure your phone as fast internet service or use the club's wi-fi.

DaruDesi89

01-04-23, 19:46

Still reading through pages and answers may already be there. Trip in couple of weeks (end of Jan).

1. I will land at 9/9. 30 am. I am considering either Grand Hyatt or AirBnB. Sunday through Fri. Work trip with fun mixed in. Where might I have better chances of an early check-in and better sleep. Not sure yet if I am bringing anyone back for an all-nighter.

2. Read a comment that Scandallo should be the earlier part of my trip. But, would Sunday night be slow? Should I do Wed instead? Of course, thoroughly read about the two options, aka slow dinner at 9 pm vs not arriving until midnight. Clear on that part.

3. I don't know any Porto. I would love to, but two weeks is perhaps enough just to say "Hello," and equivalent of "meu portugus ando bom". Can I still navigate the major clubs / clinicas? On that note, happy to hang with fellow ISG'ers if you are around.1. Most airbnbs allow early check-in as long as there isn't someone else leaving that day. If there is, they will allow bag drops. Now, this doesn't apply to every single one, but definitely most of the ones I have stayed in or asked about happily agree. If you want to relax and freshen up and it is a long flight, it is better to book a hotel (atleast for the first couple of days). Make sure to check if the hotel / airbnb is guest friendly. Some aren't and it is better to find out earlier than later.

2. I dunno how long your trip is, but if it is more than a week, I would recommend delaying Scandallo until you have tried the other spots. Once you have been to Scan, everything else will start looking average (both quality and quantity). You want to ease into it if you want to have fun. But if your goal is to do as many hotties as possible in a short period, hit Scan every day by all means. Sundays are closed, Mondays are slow too. Tuesday to Thursday is the best time to be there. Best time to go is after 10 PM.

3. Portuguese is useful to build chemistry with girls. But the girls can still sell you the GFE without it very convincingly. It is absolutely not necessary anywhere. You will be fine either way. You will see tons of guys using Google translate in clubs. It used to be awkward at one point in the past, but now, it is common practice.

Hope that helps!

Steve 9696

01-04-23, 22:12

I have a week in SP on business. And a week in Mexico city on business. And the weekend intervening I can go ANYWHERE in south / central America. A few parameters:

I love the club scene when traveling. I have a girl at home so dinners and GFE are standard. So I like to get out and party on the road. So like Scandallo and Casarao etc will def be done. But I can do that during the workweek.

I've been to Medellin and found it only OK for what I was after. Did Facebook girls at my condo. Was def fun but missed the club scene and didn't like the plastics at La Isla.

Absolutely got to have BBBJ.

Want to balance of nice place to hang out, maybe beachfront, with club / girl options but not the only thing. Rio? Costa Rica? Panamá? The options are wide open. What would you guys do given the above parameters?

Turgid

01-05-23, 14:36

I have a week in SP on business. And a week in Mexico city on business. And the weekend intervening I can go ANYWHERE in south / central America. A few parameters:

I love the club scene when traveling. I have a girl at home so dinners and GFE are standard. So I like to get out and party on the road. So like Scandallo and Casarao etc will def be done. But I can do that during the workweek.

I've been to Medellin and found it only OK for what I was after. Did Facebook girls at my condo. Was def fun but missed the club scene and didn't like the plastics at La Isla.

Absolutely got to have BBBJ.

Want to balance of nice place to hang out, maybe beachfront, with club / girl options but not the only thing. Rio? Costa Rica? Panam? The options are wide open. What would you guys do given the above parameters?You want a beachfront. From Sao Paulo I would head to Tijuana, stay at a beachfront hotel on Tijuana beach, then uber to the many clubs in Tijuana proper such as Hong Kong, Adelitas, Chicago, etc. for carnal fun. Then take a cheap flight to Mexico city.

WonderWhy

01-06-23, 13:45

Since a lot of the clinicas were closed after the new year I decided to try a low cost photoacompanhantes girl (100 R). Of course I know many of these are bait and switch etc. However I received a reply that she was on her period and could not do a session. I had some time so thought I might just offered lunch to meet face to face and see if I wanted to session with her. Two days later she responded and said she would like lunch. We met for lunch and It was nice. She held my hand and we talked. I figured the time was over but she wanted to come to my hotel. We got in the hotel and she immediately began french kissing me. A lot. I thought ok. Then she wanted to massage, I gave her a massage that then turned into love making. And a good session it was. Then I was confused so asked her about payment. She said 450 R. What! Yes three hours of her time for 150 R each. I gave it to her and sent her on her way. The love making was great but I did not expect that much. Lesson learned to me. Clarify clarify clarify.

Not the girl in the photos.

https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/pinheiros/branquinha-liberal-com-tesao-disponivel-com-local-id-6yt34

Kalysto

01-06-23, 18:59

So, first 3 months in Brazil just over. It's been. Intense.

I'll separate this report in 2 sections. Pros, and non-pros.

# Pros.

I met with Nuupter on my first day, and after a well deserved churrasco that left me groggy (I'm not used to eating that much meat anymore), we decided to sample the clinicas. Nuupter totally guided me there, and is overall an awesome hobby partner. Thanks man for getting me started!

We went through a few of the classic Clinicas, Moema Prime, Miruna, and a third one I can't remember the name of. Anyway after watching the line-up in these 3, I decide to come back to Moema, where a Ariela, a caramel-colored woman had hit the right spot for me.

I have to say I was overall stressed by the experience. I've been in brothels, I've mongered for 2 decades, but for some reason this setup was freaking me out a bit (and it's all on me, no one did anything to make me feel uncomfortable, all the contrary).

Anyway, once chosen, the experience was awesome, with a few notes.

The setup is very minimal, but sufficient for my needs and the price. But the hot shower that can be set between various levels of "it's burning my skin anyway" was very frustrating.

Ariele has some moves. The kisses are great, the oral was too, she's super clean and after I ate her out, she climbed in 69, which is an initiative I really appreciated.

I know, some guys have feelings about going down on a pro who's been with clients already during the day, but even if there's stuff I don't need to taste, I trusted her cleanliness and it paid back anyway.

Let's say that she got very wet and no lube, or anything else but our warm bodies was necessary for the main course.

After a good while, multiple positions and a lot of energy spent, I finished in her mouth and there was nothing to be seen anywhere.

We have a bit of a broken conversation with my very limited Portuguese, then we get back for round 2. Which is as excellent as the first one. I get her phone number too.

Following night, we agree to go to Scandallo with Nuupter. And that's a real candy shop. I may not have high enough standard, but I would bed the vast majority of the ladies around.

I do struggle to have some conversations, between broken portuguese and my eyes that just want to undress these ladies. But I end up gathering some Whatsapp numbers.

That's enough sampling of Scandallo for me for the night. I've slept with a Tinder non-pro the night before and morning, so anyway I don't have enough stamina for actual action. We still go to another club, I don't remember its name, but it's just too noisy and even more overwhelming for me. Ladies clearly less good than Scandallo.

Two days later I chat with a few of the girls I grabbed the phone number of, Isabel, and organise an encounter during the day in my hotel. Isabel is very curvy, with silicon in her lips, boobs and ass. That's exactly what I like, and she has the slutty demeanour to go with it. She rocks up to my hotel with clearly "fuck me" clothes on, which I have no problems whatsoever with.

Great session. 2 hours, 3 pops, 800 BRL. BBBJ, great french kiss, she knows how to move her body, we even manage to have decently interesting conversations in broken Portuguese + translator.

And. Looking back to it, that's the end of my pros encounters. I kept talking with Ariela, who happens to be a local porn star called Ariella Ferraz (google her, she's got quite a few explicit scenes out there), but I never managed to meet her again, because I ended up friending a local non pro who filled all my needs. And I filled her "needs" too.

# Non Pros.

Well, Tinder in Medellin seems to be a bit of a challenge, but it clearly worked for me in Brazil. In 4 days in Sao Paulo, I had 2 dates that ended up in bed. One of them, Paula, went full on very flattering on the photos, happened to be very chubby. Buuut. I was horny. I also actually enjoyed conversations with her (in English) to the point that I met her again another evening, but telling her that nothing intimate was on the table.

The other one, Eliana, well. We spent a super fun afternoon in my hotel room, dancing, listening to Brazilian music, plenty of sex, drinking on the balcony. To the point that I flew her to Fortaleza for a weekend a month later and I spent 4 days around new year with her in Sao Paulo before flying out to Colombia.

I spent most of my time in the Nordeste, in Preá, which is close to Jericoacoara. I'm a kite boarder and that was the main drive of this trip.

In Preá, I ended up hooking up with 6 different ladies, multiple times, over a period of 2 months. They were definitely not this forum's definition of 9 or 10 20 somethings, but they were free, still what I'd rate 7, always some level of fit, hot as hell, not shy, fun.

Some highlights would be:

- a blowjob in the middle of nowhere during a quad excursion, after having spent the previous half hour as the passenger with one hand on a big silicon breast and a finger deep inside her, holding like that while the quad was bouncing around the sandy trail.

- countless kisses under the stars on a quiet beach.

- holding for my life as the 3rd passenger on the far back of a motorcycle, wearing a short and flip flops, holding tight to whatever was available (a loose bike handle and the chest of my partner for the night), while the mototaxi pilot was just sliding left and right on the sand, between the stray dogs and other crazy drivers, knowing that I was going to get laid by this super energetic, horny and hot chick.

Anyway, I had a lot of fun.

Tochka

01-07-23, 01:21

So, first 3 months in Brazil just over. It's been. Intense.

I'll separate this report in 2 sections. Pros, and non-pros.

# Pros.

I met with Nuupter on my first day, and after a well deserved churrasco that left me groggy (I'm not used to eating that much meat anymore), we decided to sample the clinicas. Nuupter totally guided me there, and is overall an awesome hobby partner. Thanks man for getting me started!

We went through a few of the classic Clinicas, Moema Prime, Miruna, and a third one I can't remember the name of. Anyway after watching the line-up in these 3, I decide to come back to Moema, where a Ariela, a caramel-colored woman had hit the right spot for me.

I have to say I was overall stressed by the experience. I've been in brothels, I've mongered for 2 decades, but for some reason this setup was freaking me out a bit (and it's all on me, no one did anything to make me feel uncomfortable, all the contrary).

Anyway, once chosen, the experience was awesome, with a few notes.

The setup is very minimal, but sufficient for my needs and the price. But the hot shower that can be set between various levels of "it's burning my skin anyway" was very frustrating.

Ariele has some moves. The kisses are great, the oral was too, she's super clean and after I ate her out, she climbed in 69, which is an initiative I really appreciated.

I know, some guys have feelings about going down on a pro who's been with clients already during the day, but even if there's stuff I don't need to taste, I trusted her cleanliness and it paid back anyway.

Let's say that she got very wet and no lube, or anything else but our warm bodies was necessary for the main course.

After a good while, multiple positions and a lot of energy spent, I finished in her mouth and there was nothing to be seen anywhere.

We have a bit of a broken conversation with my very limited Portuguese, then we get back for round 2. Which is as excellent as the first one. I get her phone number too.

Following night, we agree to go to Scandallo with Nuupter. And that's a real candy shop. I may not have high enough standard, but I would bed the vast majority of the ladies around.

I do struggle to have some conversations, between broken portuguese and my eyes that just want to undress these ladies. But I end up gathering some Whatsapp numbers.

That's enough sampling of Scandallo for me for the night. I've slept with a Tinder non-pro the night before and morning, so anyway I don't have enough stamina for actual action. We still go to another club, I don't remember its name, but it's just too noisy and even more overwhelming for me. Ladies clearly less good than Scandallo.

Two days later I chat with a few of the girls I grabbed the phone number of, Isabel, and organise an encounter during the day in my hotel. Isabel is very curvy, with silicon in her lips, boobs and ass. That's exactly what I like, and she has the slutty demeanour to go with it. She rocks up to my hotel with clearly "fuck me" clothes on, which I have no problems whatsoever with.

Great session. 2 hours, 3 pops, 800 BRL. BBBJ, great french kiss, she knows how to move her body, we even manage to have decently interesting conversations in broken Portuguese + translator.

And. Looking back to it, that's the end of my pros encounters. I kept talking with Ariela, who happens to be a local porn star called Ariella Ferraz (google her, she's got quite a few explicit scenes out there), but I never managed to meet her again, because I ended up friending a local non
I had a lot of fun.Good report on Prime. Ariela does great porno action during the session. She is up for any hardcore dirty porno fantasies.

I did a fantastic threesome action with Ariel and blonde skinny Karen. Together they had no limits including taking turns as submissives. I could talk in basic Porto Spanglish which helped to enjoy the session. The entire room was a damn mess after an exhausting duplo 2-hour session. We could talk and joke around in basic Porto Spanglish which helped to enjoy the session.

Anyway, excellent report.

Spidy

01-07-23, 03:28

So, first 3 months in Brazil just over. It's been. Intense. ... I spent most of my time in the Nordeste, in Pre, which is close to Jericoacoara. I'm a kite boarder and that was the main drive of this trip. ...
Good report! Glad to see you spent time up in northern Brazil. Any chance of a more detailed/update on Fortaleza, Pre, Jericoacoara or just the joys of kiteboarding in the area?

In Pre, I ended up hooking up with 6 different ladies, multiple times, over a period of 2 months. They were definitely not this forum's definition of 9 or 10 20 somethings, but they were free, still what I'd rate 7, always some level of fit, hot as hell, not shy, fun. ...

It sound like the kiteboarding and surfing, are as good as ever? Also Fortaleza, has always been one of my favorite hot-spots, to chillax and enjoy a slower pace of mongering or beach life in general.

Some highlights would be:

- a blowjob in the middle of nowhere during a quad excursion, after having spent the previous half hour as the passenger with one hand on a big silicon breast and a finger deep inside her, holding like that while the quad was bouncing around the sandy trail. ...

Buggy rides around the dunes of Praia de Futuro, were always special and a memorable treat. However, I think your buggy rides, were definitely more memorable than mine....so kudos! (...kkkk!)

Good times, thanks Again!

Bang Koker

01-07-23, 04:59

Guys, I'm not someone who goes to restaurants for fun, I also avoid bars. I like banging gorgeous women tho (but just casual, cold sex, nothing close to GFE). So far I've tried one girl from photoacompanhantes and one from clubmodel or SPLove, idr. To give something back to this community I'll post short reviews below, but given my desires can you convince me to try going to scandallo? Seems like super waste of money unless the girls down there are a lot better than these I can order online.

Also as I'm alone here in SP, from what I understand if I'd like to catch up with some fellow members in order to go to scandallo or other place alike together, I need to purchase premium on this forum to have access to PMs, correct?

Reports:

Girl 1, from photoacompanhantes, lots and lots of positive reviews on gpguia, was super horny so figured out I don't really need a model, ordered her to my place as I don't think she has her local, waited a pretty long time due to traffic but she finally arrived, about 40 yo short woman, arrived with beer for herself as I said I'm good and I don't need anything to drink, started with BBBJ until the end as I was horny and wanted to finish the first round in her mouth somewhat quickly (we agreed for her to stay for 90 mins so plenty of time to regenerate after that) which I did. Quick break, BBBJ again, some sex, finally I decided I'll finish in her mouth again which I did, afterwards she did my first ever rimming on me.

Later that day it turned out she left her top at my place (she arrived with "I'm a hooker" outfit and left in a regular dress she brought with her), we agreed she'll come to get it 2 days later and that's when I asked if she's fine with giving me a quick blowjob free of charge. "Just a little kiss" she responded via translator and a few minutes later the load landed in her mouth for the third time within the last 48 h.

250+50 for uber for 90 mins.

Girl 2, 8/10 from SPLove or clubmodel, 500 brl paid before we got naked, not bad BBBJ but after 20 minutes she started convincing me that the time is up and I need to "finalizar" which, despite I laughed it off, kinda killed the mood and the rest of the meeting was not really memorable.

These are my first reports ever, hope you enjoy and I'm looking forward for somebody to answer my questions above.

Nounce

01-07-23, 13:46

...These are my first reports ever, hope you enjoy and I'm looking forward for somebody to answer my questions above.I can provide some suggestions based on the context.

Have you tried clinica yet? If not, I suggest you give it several tries. Go to see reviews on gp-guia and pick the girl based on it, although I rarely did it that way. This is where you can get more consistent sex performance but you may need to compromise on the look. If their schedule shows up on my WhatsApp and I see someone I will post here today.

Clinicas are brothels posing as massage parlors. Prives are the same thing except smaller. See the below for list of them and their locations. Use google translate to read the reviews of girls. Prices posted are for gp-guia members who post, so you will pay more if you are not.

Clinicas https://www.gp-guia.net/viewforum.php?f=8.

Prives https://www.gp-guia.net/viewforum.php?f=9.

You can also try Casarao. There are reviews on gp guia. It opens all nights but started at 10 PM and it can still be going strong sometimes at 4 AM or 5 AM. I used to live a short walk from it. The schedule is perfect for me because I got off work late at night. LOL.

I think you probably should try Scandallo once for the experience but go with reduced expectation about the look of the girls. I never really find girls that attractive to me consistently but it can be very good to great on some nights. Some members can find girls that they like consistently. So it depends if you are like me or if you are like the other. You don't know until you go. I will say it is worth it if you are not a frequent visitor and is on vacation because you spend to buy a good time. Everyone has different budget, if you don't want to spend that much, just go before 7 PM to check out the place. Like you are going to have dinner, and 300 to have dinner at a nice place is not expensive. If you like it, you may still end up spending 500 easy independent of when you go. LOL.

Also

...
But I disagree with #3. The whole Raison-d'etre of Scandallo is to experience (see, roam around & choose from) the large, remarkable display of quality girls of all shapes and sizes that hang out there. But things do not really get going until 10 pm and the place is very quiet before 7 pm with only a fraction of the girls that show up later. The large entertainment bar and the courtyard bar will be roped off and closed until around 9 pm. Sure some afternoon Scandallo girls are very nice, but for the most part these afternoon Scandallo girls are not much different in quality than the better looking clinica girls you can have at a fraction of the cost in the afternoon in Moema. So, you will not have the true Scandallo experience if you go before 7 pm and you will be left wondering what all the talk and high praise is about. Therefore, I strongly recommend a 1st time punter to wait until 9 pm or 10 pm and then check out the numero uno bordello / nightclub in all of South America. You won't be sorry. In addition, not all Scandallo nights are equal. Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday nights are the hottest, best nights to be there.....

Got to agree with Axel on this. Scandallo is not Scandallo until late night. 10 would be the bare minimum earliest I would go. It will get busier at 11 and 12 and beyond. It will be rocking till the wee hours. But I'the say shoot more for like 10 or 11. Even later is fine.

The problem with Scandallo for me is it sets the high base price. I am here for several months at a time. Instead of going out, I just want to have someone come over after work. If you count the cost by month and do it all year, then it is not ideal. Medellin or Rio are the place to be. The best thing about Medellin is the huge supply of girls that don't want to work regular job. It is very easy and inexpensive to have one or two every night. They can bring all the party supplies you want too and they stay until you want them to leave. You get the pros but not the cons once you have invested the effort. 😂

.... they aren't the best negotiators and they don't watch the clock since they don't have 4 other clients to rush to and keep a schedule with. It feels more authentic and just a more organic interaction. They most likely won't rob you and they only want to make double what they make at work for the day which is like 100-200 brl, so 500 for the night is great for them.

The only cons I can think of is trying to see them again as they have regular jobs so it's hard to try to meet during the day or do an overnight. They also might be not as experienced as a pro.....

Nounce

01-07-23, 16:16

.... If their schedule shows up on my WhatsApp and I see someone I will post here today....Based on the reviews, I think Luma and Hellen / Ellen are good. You can check others.

Just realized that you can't see full image

Previso de Staff de hoje:

Daphine
Luma
Safira
Suellen
Ellen
Brbara
Yara

Many people think Abbbora has the best girls, it has reviews on GPG. This may be the clinica that is easier to get both performance and look at the same time,

FRobertson

01-07-23, 20:29

Greetings, dear fellow mongers.

I came by the beautiful SP to re-visit the usual clinicas.

Everything is the same. Lots of pretty girls. Prices creeped up slightly (Tangara and its satellites are 140 now) but not much.

Great food, nice weather, not too cold, not to hot.

However, I had my first very disappointing experience at Clinica Miruna.

A girl Larissa: in the room, didn't seem to want to hug, didn't want to do BBBJ, wrapped the boy before it even had the chance to get up, and after the insertion **insisted** on changing the position after about 15 seconds. (we started with her being on top).

I didn't want to change the position, and she didn't want to come back to being on top. So after a few moments I got up and went to the shower, she was out of the room faster than I could finish the rinse.

Of course, the management didn't want to do anything. So I ended up paying 190 for the very disappointing six or seven minutes.

Be warned. She is still out there.

SexIsLove

01-08-23, 11:46

The Cane

01-08-23, 12:50

I keep reading that one should go there after 10 pm and the best nights are Thursday or Wednesday etc. Etc. I would say take that with a pinch of salt as it seems to be an observational over generalization. Fwiw I've picked hot chicks any day of the week! And I have now visited this place scores of times. Especially 3 different Saturdays around 5-6 pm picked up young reasonably priced semi-pro types and great sessions without exception this time. One of them is now even married and gone!I generally agree. I've always only gone on a Friday or Saturday night and the place always got packed. I say "generally" because I've never been there as early as between 5-6 pm. However, I have been there plenty of times between 7-8 pm and always found hotties waiting to fuck. And if for whatever reason if I didn't go with anybody, then I would have dinner and drinks (the food there is decent) and fuck later. I think the way to play it depends on your likes / dislikes and resources, including how much time you have and want to devote to the club. Do you have the time to get there early and stay late (maybe you need to pick one time slot or another)? Are you the kind of person who will get bored unless the place is already packed and the music is pumping? Or are you someone who appreciates a slower and a quieter environment where it's easy to hear yourself think and have a conversation with another person? Are you interested at all in having dinner and drinks at the club, or is your only real desire to hunt for women? Do you place value on having a shot at being the first horny guy of the night to hump a hottie to your liking while she's still fresh? One should take these types of things into consideration, and whatever else is important to them, when deciding when would be a good time to go to Scandallo. But don't think for a second that you can't have a blast on a Friday or Saturday night. Again, I've always only gone on a Friday or Saturday, I rave about the place just like other guys who like it, it always got packed to the gills, and I had a great time where the action started out slow (I liked that) and then got rocking and rowdy later (I'm versatile so I liked that too). So play it how you want to. Just understand that Wednesday or Thursday after 10 isn't the only good time to arrive. What's a favorable day and time depends on what kind of overall experience you the customer want to have. And SIL and I are telling you that you can have your great experience early or late (or both) on a Friday or Saturday night if you want to. We've both been there and done that. You can too.

Anaggie

01-08-23, 20:29

I have been to Scandello on a Saturday night back in Jan 2022 and it wasn't bad at all. It definitely wasn't as good as a Thursday night which are then nights I usually go. But it was still pretty damn good.

The Critic

01-09-23, 03:48

I think the way to play it depends on your likes / dislikes and resources, including how much time you have and want to devote to the club. I concur with The Cane, I have never had a bad time at Scandalo, to the point of any day is a good day! Timing may be an issue (early vs. Late). IMHO I always find the Candy Store fully stocked to my liking.

Bang Koker

01-09-23, 13:36

Thanks for the input Nounce. Followed your advice and visited one clinica yesterday. Not a bad way for a quick release for a reasonable price. Wish they were opened at night though. Idk why they operate as massage parlors when prostitution is legal. Maybe pimping isn't and that's why?

GiuseppeBonera

01-09-23, 14:44

I'm back in SP and already repeated with a few contacts! I plan to go to scandallo a few times but has anyone been to the new cafe foto or lotus lately? How is the movement at those clubs or any other like it?

Nounce

01-10-23, 14:31

... Especially 3 different Saturdays around 5-6 pm picked up young reasonably priced semi-pro types and great sessions without exception this time. One of them is now even married and gone!I think the reason is they have to work around their class or work schedule. If you are a student or have a normal job, it is natural for them to work during weekend of earlier, logically speaking.

I have been to Scandallo during daytime once or twice to meet other members. Almost everyone was dressed more conservatively and in the outdoor cafe area. The ambience felt more reserve similar to Solarium in Rio.

I think it was an interesting experience to go around 7 PM to see girls line up on the bar to get your attention while you have dinner. If I see someone I like, I wave her over. Feel I am in the driver seat, almost no competition. You can see the girls coming for the new shift and catch them early.

I do also like later at night, the live music, and that is often the only time I can go. The drawback is the restaurant can be full or nearly full. The club area is often packed so you have to hunt a little, I was wondering what do I missed? LOL I think one has to like the club atmosphere to enjoy it more.

My logic is this, the longer you stay, the more you spend. Whether you go early or late, your spending may end up about the same.

KcDark

01-10-23, 14:43

The Cane

01-11-23, 18:35

Scandallo! The baddest puta palace on the planet!

https://youtu.be/FdhYePsTaTk

Jimmy Boy 99

01-12-23, 05:15

FRobertson

01-12-23, 19:11

Thank you for this report. Did she give you any signs that it would be a subpar session? For example, answering very short or with one word, not being engaged and flirting with you? Also, what is her description? Hair color, body type, tattoos? I'd hate to have a terrible session with "Larissa" who will probably change her name after word gets out that a session with her isn't good.I thought about it and couldn't find any specific indications. I mean, yes, she wasn't particularly flirty or interested in me, but I look just like the typical fat nerd, so I don't expect anyone to be swooning over me.

And a few days later, I had another girl at Miruna, who I thought would also be a disaster. No flirting, no holding hands, nothing. But I was completely wrong. After she shower she came, did some hugging, did BBBJ, got on top of me and stayed there long enough for me to be satisfied. The basic "girl next door" experience.

I didn't save Larissa's pics, I don't remember anything remarkable about her, so probably dark hair, average height, etc etc. So just avoid girls with that name at Miruna.

Did you speak to her about what she would and wouldn't do in the room and get a feel of whether she wanted to do a room with before selecting her? If not, you run a higher risk of bad service.No. Usually I never do. I don't know Portuguese, I don't want to embarrass myself, and for me it's kinda interesting to discover what a girl will and won't do, without talking. Touch is my love language.

Anyway, my basic needs are very simple. BBBJ + CFS, with girl on top. When the mood is right, I am open for almost anything else, as long as there's a woman (or women) doing it. But I can be just as happy with the basics.

Here, though, it's not a question of not getting what I want. It's a question of someone trying to get out of doing basically anything. Trying to wrap the boy before he even had the chance to get up is ridiculous and unreasonable. Refusing to be on top is also ridiculous (I don't need her to even move, she can just lie there, I enjoy the feeling of the weight). I am no Brad Pitt, of course, but my hygiene is perfect, I wash and disinfect things, no one has ever complained.

This one is just a bad apple.

I've had similar experiences with girls from photoacompanhantes (where they would have fake pics and would charge up front) but never in a clinica. I see clinicas as places where the basic level of service would be assured.

DreamCarnarvon

01-13-23, 11:08

This one is just a bad apple.

I've had similar experiences with girls from photoacompanhantes (where they would have fake pics and would charge up front) but never in a clinica. I see clinicas as places where the basic level of service would be assured.I can see why people automatically assume every clinica girl will provide basic level of service (in your case BBBJ + CFS) just based on the fact that they work in the clinicas. But as you have learned that is not always the case. The percentage is very low but I have also met clinicas girls who tell me they don't do kissing, don't do BBBJ, don't allow DATY. A percentage of these girls allowed kissing and BBBJ in subsequent sessions. So speaking a bit of Portuguese and sometimes building rapports do help with receiving incredible GFE sessions.

Turgid

01-13-23, 14:09

....Anyway, my basic needs are very simple..... CFS, with girl on top......I love that position especially where there's a mirror by my feet.

Frankfurt

01-13-23, 21:00

However, I had my first very disappointing experience at Clinica Miruna.FR -I share your experience. After two sub par experiences at Miruna, I stopped going there. The girl from Paraguay was a gem but lately she has not been there.

I have a thing for tall slim dark haired girls (like some Romanian girls at my nearest FKK). I picked the girl from the line up that matches this description. She was nice and pleasant smiling in the line up but as soon as we were upstairs, she flipped a switch. All business, no attempt to have a conversation despite my attempt with my very limited Portuguese skills. On leaving when the receptionist asked how everything went, I simply signaled 'mais ou menos' with my hand. I don't have the language skill to explain to her when she asked why, paid and left. I later saw this girl at Yankin so either she did get kicked out of Miruna or bouncing around as many clinica girls do. See pic of topless girl.

On another occasion, picked the best looking girl and experience with her was mildly better but nothing to write home about either. See pic girl in red.

I don't plan to return to Miruna the next time I am in SP.

Gabbarsing

01-14-23, 20:44

Hey fella,

I will be in SP for few weeks starting January 21st. Would love to tag along with fellow mongers. DM me if want to tag along.

Stinky Squid

01-15-23, 16:19

Hi fellas. After a disappointing experience in Thailand, I am finally back in Brazil. Arrived in So Paulo. Full of inflated expectations from scavenging the photoacompanhantes, I spent about 2 days to check and double check the scams and frauds. My estimation is that 90% of what appears in the photoacompanhantes is total fraud and bullshit. There are certain addresses that keep appearing, including:

* Avenida Ceci 729, Vila Mariana. Been there before, total disappointment and I walked away, but one user on Twitter reports that he felt threatened by a dude in there, and escaped assault or kidnapping.

* Rua Concelheiro Furtado 745, Liberdade. Everyone reporting disappointment, scam.

* Rua Frana Pinto 601, Vila Mariana. Been there twice now, disappointment every time, but I have some second thoughts.

* Rua Chui 19, Paraiso. The usual fraudulent ads, but there might be potential if they were just honest instead of lying.

These addresses, I think, are what you would call "clinicas", I. E. , they are normal residential houses or (former) small guest houses, with 3 or more rooms per floor, rooms of the size of residential bedrooms, one shared bathroom. They are not cubicle style or massively retrofitted super small rooms.

The problem with those is that they advertise non existing girls (or 10 year old fotos) promising everything under the the sun, and faking that you talk with the girl but you don't really, they have a shared number or whatever they do.

However, it's not all black and white. Just stupid. Once we adjust our expectations and disregard those photos, there could be utility in just visiting these places and ask for whatever available options and pick. Frana Pinto 601 for example, I went there to see a preggy. And while there were two ads for same address (so improbable) there actually was a preggy there, after some waiting she showed up. And while totally not what's in the photos or age promise, wasn't to bad, I would have gone for it, but she was super cold and avoided any contact, that I declined after all this waiting. But, more importantly, while I was waiting I saw at least one girl I would have chosen if I wasn't so focused on the preggy. That other girl seemed young-ish and decent looking and nice to talk to and probably could have been nice to play with.

At Rua Chui 19, Paraiso, I was waiting for one who, who knows if she exists or not. Was greeted by a passable other one, and while waiting in the room in came one super cute (in my view) girl, who I would have taken on the spot, if only she would have been a little warmer. And since these things depend a lot on the chemistry and if she likes us, it was a near-miss.

Yesterday I was in a Clinica "My Lady" way out there in Osasco Butantã, Av. Escola Politecnica 4561. That place was likely fake too, but since I was already on my way exploring, I figured I would check them out. Again, the ads were misleading, I had wanted a dupla, hoping they would be like bi-lesbian things with girls kissing going on, what I got was total disorganization, despite informing of my arrival over an hour and staying in contact, I arrived on time to random scheduled and occupied girls. Only one of my two were available, I decided to go ahead anyway, and when I met her, I was not overwhelmed, but since I decided, I was going to make the best out of it. At 150 reais, what could go wrong. We had to wait for a half hour for a room to be ready. This allowed me to relax on the sofa, had a little small talk, I just had my hand on her. And it felt OK. When we finally got into the room, I gave the receptionist another 150 saying if the other girl was going to be ready soon-ish, she should send her in.

When the two of us started, the girl I was with was actually quite sweet (to my surprise, as our initial waiting time had not been so great). I rate that as 100% better than what I had experienced in Thailand. There was a real little connection going on. She seemed to have been having some fun too. It took me only 30 minutes to finish, which was good. And the nice thing was, the girl just enjoyed hanging out together the rest of the time, no hurry to get out. When we were like 10 min before end of the hour, the other one came in. And I was sort-a spent already, but I liked what I saw, and she seemed nice. So, I think I will go back soon to see her.

What I learned from that is that these houses gather lots of bad experiences because of their lying and the communication and scheduling nightmare, but with expectations adjusted to reality, and ready to explore what's there, it can lead to pleasant encounters.

I will now search for more reports on "clinicas" and try some others.

Then there are the bloody dammed "agncias", those are old hags or guys talking on whatsapp also, of course, fraudulent ads, and when you actually move forward with an encounter, they shuffle to quickly assign you to someone, and she then is not only not the person of the fotos, but also you never talked to her and she doesn't know, much less agree to, what was promised. This scam is so wide spread that you can't really tie it down. These agncia scams fall into two parts: residential flats and motel encounters. Examples of residential flats are:

* Rua Avanhandava 459, Bela Vista.

* Rua Genebra 296, Bela Vista.

But then the motel scams can be anywhere. The one who shows up will probably not have talked to you aside from being probably not quite as described. One example was my last encounter before I left Brazil 8 months ago. The other was on my first day of exploring back here. One told me to meet at.

* Hotel Lido Plaza, with "freelancer" ad.

But me being clever, I said I won't take the room but meet in front. Showed up and immediate disappointment said so and we parted ways. I might have handed her 30 reais for the "Uber" that was really the transport dude. Bullshit.

I was also looking for a dupla in Jardins, Alameda Campinas 675. I had little hope, but kind-a in the mood of exploring and just discarding shit. The two women I met were about 10 years past age of whatever fotos and, stupidly not well kept. Then turned out to be quite "chatas" as we say here, starting with their voices. Voice is a good indicator, therefore, I like it when they give away short voice messages, this allows to assess age. The metallic screechyness and the annoying affectation ("estamos no ceeeentro t? This "t?" with raised voice, is so annoying, and shows a horrible attitude.) You know then you are either talking with a phone operator or an annoying woman.

Another thing to be able to see these scams for what they are is to contact many at once. Then check the replies. When you receive more than one response that is exactly the same, could be an automatic message or just an "Oiii", and if the person is constantly online and responds without even considering your question (I had one responding "Oiii" and "estou disponivel" several times. Then you know this is one of those bloody agencias and you can just forget it.

But even with these freelancers and flat dwellers, there is not all black and white. Sometimes you do have a decent girl show up, but you have to talk first, before agreeing to anything, to re-hash (or hash for the first time for her) what you want. And have no qualms of sending her back.

IMO, punters should make the cost of lying and scamming much higher by sending them back and walking away every time, so these girls stop the lying and stop participating with the scammer dudes. I think there might even be a protection racket going on, where these scammer dudes beat up real freelancers in order to later offer her protection if she participates in the scam op.

Finally, "photos verificadas" on photoacompanhante means nothing.

Higher price is no guarantee of better quality.

Having positive TDs only means something if it is more than one and not something obviously of a scam ring.

So, over all, the cost of following all these bad leads is pretty high. Definitely just sitting down in a Gogo Bar drinking beer in Pattaya is much easier. But then again, I find Brazilian girls much more delicious and having no language barrier, I can negotiate my way to something decent and worth repeating much easier.

Axel Heyst

01-15-23, 17:34

So, over all, the cost of following all these bad leads is pretty high. Definitely just sitting down in a Gogo Bar drinking beer in Pattaya is much easier. But then again, I find Brazilian girls much more delicious and having no language barrier, I can negotiate my way to something decent and worth repeating much easier.The only question I have after reading your report is why would you want to waste your time with all this bullshit when there are so many respectable clinicas, great boates, and genuine high class call girl sites in SP?

I am sorry SS, but there is nothing I see of value in your report. I have been to SP 4 times which cumulatively comes to roughly half a year in the city of women, and I was never tempted to follow the path you outlined. Why would look for shit when there is gold all around you?

Steve 9696

01-15-23, 18:15

Hi fellas. After a disappointing experience in Thailand, I am finally back in Brazil. Arrived in So Paulo. Full of inflated expectations from scavenging the photoacompanhantes, I spent about 2 days to check and double check the scams and frauds. My estimation is that 90% of what appears in the photoacompanhantes is total fraud and bullshit. There are certain addresses that keep appearing, including:

* Avenida Ceci 729, Vila Mariana. Been there before, total disappointment and I walked away, but one user on Twitter reports that he felt threatened by a dude in there, and escaped assault or kidnapping.

* Rua Concelheiro Furtado 745, Liberdade. Everyone reporting disappointment, scam.

* Rua Frana Pinto 601, Vila Mariana. Been there twice now, disappointment every time, but I have some second thoughts.

* Rua Chui 19, Paraiso. The usual fraudulent ads, but there might be potential if they were just honest instead of lying.

These addresses, I think, are what you would call "clinicas", I. E. , they are normal residential houses or (former) small guest houses, with 3 or more rooms per floor, rooms of the size of residential bedrooms, one shared bathroom. They are not cubicle style or massively retrofitted super small rooms.

The problem with those is that they advertise non existing girls (or 10 year old fotos) promising everything under the the sun, and faking that you talk with the girl but you don't really, they have a shared number or whatever they do.

However, it's not all black and white. Just stupid. Once we adjust our expectations and disregard those photos, there could be utility in just visiting these places and ask for whatever available options and pick. Frana Pinto 601 for example, I went there to see a preggy. And while there were two ads for same address (so improbable) there actually was a preggy there, after some waiting she showed up. And while totally not what's in the photos or age promise, wasn't to bad, I would have gone for it, but she was super cold and avoided any contact, that I declined after all this waiting. But, more importantly, while I was waiting I saw at least one girl I would have chosen if I wasn't so focused on the preggy. That other girl seemed young-ish and decent looking and nice to talk to and probably could have been nice to play with.

At Rua Chui 19, Paraiso, I was waiting for one who, who knows if she exists or not. Was greeted by a passable other one, and while waiting in the room in came one super cute (in my view) girl, who I would have taken on the spot, if only she would have been a little warmer. And since these things depend a lot on the chemistry and if she likes us, it was a near-miss.

Yesterday I was in a Clinica "My Lady" way out there in Osasco Butant, Av. Escola Politecnica 4561. That place was likely fake too, but since I was already on my way exploring, I figured I would check them out. Again, the ads were misleading, I had wanted a dupla, hoping they would be like bi-lesbian things with girls kissing going on, what I got was total disorganization, despite informing of my arrival over an hour and staying in contact, I arrived on time to random scheduled and occupied girls. Only one of my two were available, I decided to go ahead anyway, and when I met her, I was not overwhelmed, but since I decided, I was going to make the best out of it. At 150 reais, what could go wrong. We had to wait for a half hour for a room to be ready. This allowed me to relax on the sofa, had a little small talk, I just had my hand on her. And it felt OK. When we finally got into the room, I gave the receptionist another 150 saying if the other girl was going to be ready soon-ish, she should send her in.

When the two of us started, the girl I was with was actually quite sweet (to my surprise, as our initial waiting time had not been so great). I rate that as 100% better than what I had experienced in Thailand. There was a real little connection going on. She seemed to have been having some fun too. It took me only 30 minutes to finish, which was good. And the nice thing was, the girl just enjoyed hanging out together the rest of the time, no hurry to get out. When we were like 10 min before end of the hour, the other one came in. And I was sort-a spent already, but I liked what I saw, and she seemed nice. So, I think I will go back soon to see her.

What I learned from that is that these houses gather lots of bad experiences because of their lying and the communication and scheduling nightmare, but with expectations adjusted to reality, and ready to explore what's there, it can lead to pleasant encounters.

I will now search for more reports on "clinicas" and try some others.

Then there are the bloody dammed "agncias", those are old hags or guys talking on whatsapp also, of course, fraudulent ads, and when you actually move forward with an encounter, they shuffle to quickly assign you to someone, and she then is not only not the person of the fotos, but also you never talked to her and she doesn't know, much less agree to, what was promised. This scam is so wide spread that you can't really tie it down. These agncia scams fall into two parts: residential flats and motel encounters. Examples of residential flats are:

* Rua Avanhandava 459, Bela Vista.

* Rua Genebra 296, Bela Vista.

But then the motel scams can be anywhere. The one who shows up will probably not have talked to you aside from being probably not quite as described. One example was my last encounter before I left Brazil 8 months ago. The other was on my first day of exploring back here. One told me to meet at.

* Hotel Lido Plaza, with "freelancer" ad.

But me being clever, I said I won't take the room but meet in front. Showed up and immediate disappointment said so and we parted ways. I might have handed her 30 reais for the "Uber" that was really the transport dude. Bullshit.

I was also looking for a dupla in Jardins, Alameda Campinas 675. I had little hope, but kind-a in the mood of exploring and just discarding shit. The two women I met were about 10 years past age of whatever fotos and, stupidly not well kept. Then turned out to be quite "chatas" as we say here, starting with their voices. Voice is a good indicator, therefore, I like it when they give away short voice messages, this allows to assess age. The metallic screechyness and the annoying affectation ("estamos no ceeeentro t? This "t?" with raised voice, is so annoying, and shows a horrible attitude.) You know then you are either talking with a phone operator or an annoying woman.

Another thing to be able to see these scams for what they are is to contact many at once. Then check the replies. When you receive more than one response that is exactly the same, could be an automatic message or just an "Oiii", and if the person is constantly online and responds without even considering your question (I had one responding "Oiii" and "estou disponivel" several times. Then you know this is one of those bloody agencias and you can just forget it.

But even with these freelancers and flat dwellers, there is not all black and white. Sometimes you do have a decent girl show up, but you have to talk first, before agreeing to anything, to re-hash (or hash for the first time for her) what you want. And have no qualms of sending her back.

IMO, punters should make the cost of lying and scamming much higher by sending them back and walking away every time, so these girls stop the lying and stop participating with the scammer dudes. I think there might even be a protection racket going on, where these scammer dudes beat up real freelancers in order to later offer her protection if she participates in the scam op.

Finally, "photos verificadas" on photoacompanhante means nothing.

Higher price is no guarantee of better quality.

Having positive TDs only means something if it is more than one and not something obviously of a scam ring.

So, over all, the cost of following all these bad leads is pretty high. Definitely just sitting down in a Gogo Bar drinking beer in Pattaya is much easier. But then again, I find Brazilian girls much more delicious and having no language barrier, I can negotiate my way to something decent and worth repeating much easier.So I'm going to guess you have a very low budget. Like 200 R or something? Otherwise you would go to Casarao or someplace and meet hot girls face to fCe and do the deed. But even with a tiny budget why in the world are you exploring all these crap venues that are known to be crap and stated as such here? Why not just go to Tangara which is cheap and well respected and you see the girls face to face and decide? Why the dick deathwish?

MaxLee88

01-15-23, 18:25

So I'm going to guess you have a very low budget. Like 200 R or something? Otherwise you would go to Casarao or someplace and meet hot girls face to fCe and do the deed. But even with a tiny budget why in the world are you exploring all these crap venues that are known to be crap and stated as such here? Why not just go to Tangara which is cheap and well respected and you see the girls face to face and decide? Why the dick deathwish?Clinicas in Moema all have good variety and attractive girls that you can see in a lineup right in front of you face to face with prices from 150 are and at night as steve said head to Casarao and scandello. Why anyone uses online agencies with all the scams and fotoshopping I have no idea. Can't wait to my return trip last week of March.

KcDark

01-15-23, 19:52

The only question I have after reading your report is why would you want to waste your time with all this bullshit when there are so many respectable clinicas, great boates, and genuine high class call girl sites in SP?

I am sorry SS, but there is nothing I see of value in your report. I have been to SP 4 times which cumulatively comes to roughly half a year in the city of women, and I was never tempted to follow the path you outlined. Why would look for shit when there is gold all around you?Hey, can you recommend any of the high class call girl sites? I'll be there in March and want to sample what is considered "high class" in SP.

Stinky Squid

01-15-23, 20:16

It's because I have been fooled by this photoacompanhante stuff for too long. I got some real gold there, but the vast majority is crap. I have indeed never ventured to the venues like clinicas, or rather, I only stumbled into them now. When staying in SP was always around centro bela vista, and Moema always seemed off. But then I went down there anyway, just never to these renowned clinicas. Frankly, I haven't even read a lot of the forum here, despite (or because) I have lived on and off for over a decade in Brasil. And no, my budget isn't small, funny thing is, my first Brazilian hooker I ordered in over 12 years ago cost 350 reais, same as today, with a vastly worse forex rate. I have long come to the conclusion that money isn't a guarantee for results. Like I saw yesterday, had a really good time for 150, a bit far off, but the clinicas in Moema are same price, so. And yes, Scandallo I will do this week too. Sounds like what Help once was in Rio, so, need to go before that closes too. I certainly was too focused on this online site stuff, but really I now know that that's almost futile. And again it doesn't matter the price, splove, clubmodel super expensive, and pointless because you never get what you hope for. With few exceptions. Going to see my porn starlet "friend" Gi Paes, who sadly lost both her kidneys to the fucksine bullshit. That girl I found through photoacompanhante and boy was she real and good. The sweetest thing up for anything, and also not cheap. So what I found about price is that expensive is no guarantee, but someone who is good and in demand does move her prices up. But just because she asks a high price is of no significance. Some of the girls here really like what they are doing.

DreamCarnarvon

01-15-23, 22:36

My initial reaction after reading stinky squid's post was the same as Axel Heyst, Steve and MaxLee88. But you have to give credit to him for taking the effort to sift through 95% poo in order to try and find that 5% gold. Its not a knock. I did the same thing squid did back in 2019, looking for those rare diamonds in the rough on photoacompanhantes. Some encounters I had:

#1 A lady who was about 30 years older than her photos she posted on her ad. 50 some BBW mature. Fortunately she was still attractive enough for me and being a BBW lover, we had an incredibly memorable session. Total GFE and she did everything to try and please me. She was so good that later on I hit her up to set up a threesome.

#2 Mid 20 girl working out of a rundown apartment. She was the girl in the photos, except 50 pounds heavier. Chubby but not fat fat. She was still hella cute for me. She was passive and service was meh. But she had a friendly personality. Had my portuguese been as good as it is now, I definitely would've went back and groomed her into a GFE.

#3 Straight bait and switch in a flat in the Bela Vista neighborhood. The girl was actually decent looking. She locked the door and blocked it. So I couldn't get out until I gave her the money (half of what she charged).

#4 Another straight bait and switch in a flat in the Consolação neighborhood. She turned out to be a mulata instead of a morena. I learned from #3, turned around and bolted like Usain Bolt.

#5 A residental house on the outskirts of SP. The girl was exactly as the photo, nice and thick. Face was tolerable as well. Service was above average but was a bit rushed. Very friendly personality. Again, had my portuguese been better, probably would've been able to gotten more GFE out of her.

#6 Bait and switch but she was a 7 on my scale. Met her in my airbnb and decided to let her stay. Beautiful tall curvy fit body. Unfortunately she was full of frescuras. Ended the session within 5 minutes, gave her the money and told her to leave.

#7 A lactating girl in her mid 20's. Cute, girl next door type. Body matched the photos, tall and slim. She was quiet as a mouse. I had her twice and we barely spoke to each other in person. But she was a real gem! Super GFE sem frescuras. I still remember bits of details of our hot and sexy sessions.

#8 Another lactating girl in her late 20's. Completely different from the one above. Super outgoing and fun. Loved to talk. Ironically, she was terrible in bed, not experienced at all. She tried to get me to take her out on a date but I ignored her as she was terrible in the bed.

#9 A third lacating girl in her mid 20's. Similar to #7. Again body matched the photos. Due to my then almost nonexistant portuguese, we barely talked. But our chemistry was pretty decent. Second session was not as good as the first session.

#10 A gem in her mid 20's. We met at a motel. Arrived on time, considering her being a brazilian kkk. Beautiful and friendly with an amazing curvacious body. Face was attractive as well. Told me she had just come back from working in Europe where she was charging the clients a lot more. Service was a 9/10! Her BBBJ still remains to this day top 5. Looking back, I regret not repeating with her.

#11 A thick mulata somewhere in her 20's. Never got to see her in the nude. Face was tolerable. This turned out to be a weird encounter. We orginally met at a motel close to her way out in zona leste. But the motel wouldn't accept a digital photo of my passport. So she agreed to meet me the next day in a motel closer to me over whatsapp. But then she ghosted me.

#12 A true BBW like the ones in Plumperpass, working out of a private flat. Beautiful face. Unfortunately she was cold and I could tell she didn't like her job. Body 10/10 but service 3/10.

#13 Another BBW but not as plump as #12. Private flat in the Republic neighberhood. Body matched the photos. Face was decent. We had great chemistry in spite of my nonexistant portuguese. Service was great and not rushed. Got her number afterwards but never did repeat with her.

#14 A lactating mulata in her mid 30's. Body was out of shape and below average. Face was bit below average. She talked me into doing a threesome with her prima. The photos of her prima she send me definitely didn't matchup. She was barely lactating and her prima was slight better looking than her. But both of them were nice and friendly and tried hard to get me to cum. They invited me to join them for lunch but I declined.

That's all I can remember off the top of my head. 6 out of 14 positive sessions I think is a decent number. The thing is you have to go into photoacompanhantes with low expectation and with a effecient strategy to avoid the fakes. And having at least an intermidate level of portuguese would greatly help improving the odds of receiving GFE sessions. Even so, I haven't tried photoacompanhantes since then. Wouldn't mind giving it another go but only as a supplement to the clinicas.

Agpov

01-15-23, 23:59

who sadly lost both her kidneys to the fucksine bullshit. Say WHAT now?

Nounce

01-16-23, 03:12

I... I have long come to the conclusion that money isn't a guarantee for results. Like I saw yesterday, had a really good time for 150, a bit far off, but the clinicas in Moema are same price,....And again it doesn't matter the price, splove, clubmodel super expensive, and pointless because you never get what you hope for. With few exceptions. ....We know you have tried the 150 but the good one seems to be the exception. Did you try clubmodel to come to the same conclusion? I am going to say it based on my personal experience. The odds will be better if money is not an issue.

WyattEarp

01-16-23, 17:24

And yes, Scandallo I will do this week too. Sounds like what Help once was in Rio, so, need to go before that closes too.Yes, comparing Scandallo to the old Help Disco is fair in terms of the sheer volume of freelance girls. Scandallo is certainly more coin (pricier) and classier.

For us old Help aficionados, you couldn't beat cheap drinks, low / no cover and no exit fee. It was kind of a casual, blue jeans type of place with no pretension. If you had been to Help, you know what I mean.

HiddenEye

01-17-23, 04:05

It sounds like an old nickname, Dynamic Duo, a waiter in Cafe Photo who is my friend called them like that. Brunette and Blonde girl. The waiter is around his late 50's, once he found and saved my credit card a night I was too drunk and got me a taxi. Muito gente fina (top guy).

The brunette is super cute and looks like a ninfeta (brazilians call that girls who look young teens). Lovely and classy. The blonde drove a sport car and I knew they left to northern Sao Paulo every morning.

I saw them two times in Cafe Photo November and December last year. They always arrived together like very close friends, hand by hand, dressed with very classy cocktail dresses and the last time the ninfeta brunette was in casual clothes with a cap and playing with a lollypop in her mouth. They always left with guys who looked like very wealthy brazilians. Their threesome service was around R5000 pernoite, and did everything. Anal, bondage, lesbic, golden shower, domination, etc etc. The waiter told me all that and I was getting very intrigued because it started to sound like a sex legend.

That night they left the club when I was watching them and melting in a table. Hoping the negotiation could fall. But I was realistic, they looked like could afford any crazy request from this mad girls.

The third time the blonde was alone, fortunately and unfortunately because I was already decided to fuck them threesome. So I ran into her in the bar and took her to a table. We had good chemistry and she told me she liked me (I felt like blessed LOL) and that would leave with me. One hour R1500. I asked for her friend, the ninfeta, but she told me she had left the city for a couple of months because she enjoyed the beaches of Santa Catarina.

So we left to my hotel. She left her car in the club parking and we took a taxi. It was incredible to see her walking up the stairs to the hotel lobby in those high heels and black short shiny cocktail dress.

I've already told you guys that I don't run into 10 escorts a week like a machine gun, one or two classy girls a week are just fine for me. And I always keep some kind of memory of such encounters. Anything their pantyhose, a thong, lipstick, pictures or video whenever possible. So I can recall everything and convince myself it really happened.

That white ass and pulling her silky blonde hair (she asked for it) doing a powerful doggy style makes me maaaaad! Jajajaja.

Thank you Santa Claus!

Kcrl01

01-17-23, 15:20

For us old Help aficionados....I have a whole hard drive full of Helpee fotos. When Helpee was in session you could find me in Rio 3-4 x / a year. And don't forget Terraco Atlantico (last foto), that was a whole different experience all by itself! Plus, the food was pretty decent!

MiamiBoy1

01-17-23, 19:13

The third time the blonde was alone, fortunately and unfortunately because I was already decided to fuck them threesome. So I ran into her in the bar and took her to a table. We had good chemistry and she told me she liked me (I felt like blessed LOL) and that would leave with me. One hour R1500. I asked for her friend, the ninfeta, but she told me she had left the city for a couple of months because she enjoyed the beaches of Santa Catarina.

I'm glad you had a great time, but $300 for 1 HR? Ouch. These girls quote crazy high rates sometimes. Have you even tried to negotiate?

I love Brazil, but these rates keep me from coming back and make me stay longer in Colombia, because here $300 is about 1,4 million COP. You can literally have an overnight date with ANY girl you want for that price.

1000 USD pernoite is crazy high. This is not a rich world country after all.

Gabbarsing

01-17-23, 21:02

Anyone has map link for highend clinica in SP? I know a few in Moema area (Prima, Aborabar, Kama etc.) and places like Tingara, Lotus.

But a google map link would be nice. Love to hear any clinica recommendation that I haven't mentioned above.

HiddenEye

01-17-23, 21:49

I didn't negotiate this time, I already had a fixation with those two and had to secure one at least LOL she didn't control the time. It was longer than one hour I'm sure.

US $ 1 K for 6-8 hours with those two girls going pervert. I don't see it too expensive.

How much would that cost in Germany or the States?

Have you even tried to negotiate?

WyattEarp

01-17-23, 21:59

I have a whole hard drive full of Helpee fotos. When Helpee was in session you could find me in Rio 3-4 x / a year. And don't forget Terraco Atlantico (last foto), that was a whole different experience all by itself! Plus, the food was pretty decent!That's funny. In an effort to offer a brief contrast, I actually edited mentioning the cafe in front of Help after I wrote it in my post.

There was so much talent in the cafe outside, we often never made it into the club. Damn, I miss those planter boxes.

Thanks for the photo uploads. You're right. TA had some decent steak and fish at affordable prices.

HiddenEye

01-17-23, 22:39

Hi KCRL, nice pics! Good to keep memories of the good times.

KCRL and ISGers, maybe you can tell me. There was this website bikinidolls.net (no longer online) the photographer had a great eye to pick his models. I suppose they were GPS. But such great asses. I exchanged mails with him back 2002 or 2003 I'm not quite sure, it's been two decades. All pics made in hotels, not one single pic on the beach, this is why I believe it's Sao Paulo or maybe Southern Brasil.

Have you guys seen them or maybe met them? The brunette has a true rocking brazilian body.

* Admin, you can delete or move this post if you find it Off Topic.

* This time I don't the faces cause pics were already online. Face recognition is widely available.

I have a whole hard drive full of Helpee fotos. When Helpee was in session you could find me in Rio 3-4 x / a year. And don't forget Terraco Atlantico (last foto), that was a whole different experience all by itself! Plus, the food was pretty decent!

Kcrl01

01-17-23, 22:39

HiddenEye

01-18-23, 01:09

Yes, I understand KCRL.

I think they can accept R4500 for a threesome (crazy perv) pernoite. Let's say US $800.

That is something more reasonable.

Being reasonable and perv cancelling words to each other jajajajaja.

You may not realize that 1 K USD $ = 5,250 BRL $, at this morning's forex. Factor in a Brazilian minimum wage worker would make about 1,250 BRL $/ a month.

MiamiBoy1

01-18-23, 01:52

Yes, I understand KCRL.

I think they can accept R4500 for a threesome (crazy perv) pernoite. Let's say US $800.

That is something more reasonable.

Being reasonable and perv cancelling words to each other jajajajaja.If you live in the States or Germany, and want to compare apples to apples, you have to take into account all other costs (at least, partially) - flights, hotels, time off work, etc. Etc.

Also, you can't just blindly compare what it would cost in the US / rich countries vs what it costs in Brazil. You have to pay attention to local rates as well. You don't pay 20 reals for a caipirinha at a bar where it costs 10 reals, just because it costs 50 are in the States, do you?

Kcrl01

01-18-23, 05:07

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Kcrl01

01-18-23, 06:58

TA had some decent steak and fish at affordable prices.My all-time fav TA Helpee pre-game snack was a dozen oysters on the half shell and a bottle of chablis seco estupidiamente gelado. While we're on the food topic I think Meia Pataka deserves an honourable mention, the food was ah-aight, but the main attraction was the place was a virtual chick magnet.

Cheers.

Knowledge

01-18-23, 14:23

Because you were not in Germany or the states it does not matter how much it would cost in those places.

I didn't negotiate this time, I already had a fixation with those two and had to secure one at least LOL she didn't control the time. It was longer than one hour I'm sure.

US $ 1 K for 6-8 hours with those two girls going pervert. I don't see it too expensive.

How much would that cost in Germany or the States?

The Cane

01-18-23, 18:08

That's funny. In an effort to offer a brief contrast, I actually edited mentioning the cafe in front of Help after I wrote it in my post. There was so much talent in the cafe outside, we often never made it into the club. Damn, I miss those planter boxes. Thanks for the photo uploads. You're right. TA had some decent steak and fish at affordable prices.After my first time at TA I learned never to sit along the back edge lest you be constantly harassed to buy something from somebody, including a piece of ass from an ugly chick. Be gone with you!

Nounce

01-20-23, 16:07

He posted it for the same reason you mention Colombia.

...Also, you can't just blindly compare what it would cost in the US / rich countries vs what it costs in Brazil. ...

...I love Brazil, but these rates keep me from coming back and make me stay longer in Colombia, because here $300 is about 1,4 million COP. You can literally have an overnight date with ANY girl you want for that price....Sao Paulo is very developed. It is not a cheap place. Many wealthy locals. More nicer restaurants and clubs. Pretty much everything cost twice as much as Medellin. They are not in the same league.

MiamiBoy1

01-20-23, 20:53

He posted it for the same reason you mention Colombia.

Sao Paulo is very developed. It is not a cheap place. Many wealthy locals. More nicer restaurants and clubs. Pretty much everything cost twice as much as Medellin. They are not in the same league.I get your point, but I think it is reasonable to compare one Latam country vs another, or one major city vs another major city. I don't think SP and MDE are not in the same league. Airbnb rates in both cities are pretty much the same, so are Uber rates. High end restaurants are a bit more expensive in SP, but not 2 x. I think most of us compare costs in each developing country when deciding where to go. And Colombia definitely got an advantage in terms of best bang for your buck.

PS. I just looked it up, and the average living costs in Colombia are only 20-30% lower than in Brazil. However, the difference in p4p rates is huge

Nounce

01-22-23, 02:05

...I don't think SP and MDE are not in the same league...These are some of the reasons I think they are not in the same league.

Cell: SP has 5 G coverage, Medellin doesn't.

Metro:

Medellin has the basic model and is above ground. Sao Paulo is fully loaded and is as deep as 4 story underground. It has better signals, signs, restroom, handicap friendly, free condoms. All these are missing in Medellin.

Sao Paulo's bus is 3 times larger than Medellin and schedule is update real time on the bus station on on Google map. Medellin has large minivan as bus.

Sao Paulo ticket price is US $ 0. 8. Medellin is US $0. 5.

Cars:

On average, Sao Paulo has larger cars. Most cars in Medellin are small hatchbacks. This is where I see wealth, instead of looking at exotics cars.

Restaurants:

There is no Michelin starred restaurants in Medellin, Sao Paulo has several.

Live music is common in Sao Paulo, but not in Medellin.

Espresso machines:

Very few espressos machine outside of El Poblado. It's everywhere in Sao Paulo, including Centro. There is only a 2 small areas in Medellin that are more expensive and they serve many tourists and expats. In Sao Paulo, the business are basically supported by locals.

Sao Paulo has much larger parks and Infrastructure inside the city. All parks or in Medellin are tiny in comparison.

Nounce

01-22-23, 02:34

.... And Colombia definitely got an advantage in terms of best bang for your buck...That and the number of pussies available. SP pales in comparison.

This is bases on my impression comparing the same type / concept of service based on my experience, not a scientific study:

Brothel: New Life is about US $12 for 30 minutes. Tangara is about USD 28 for 30 minutes. These are the lowest cost well known places so I pick them. A bear is about USD1 in New Life, it is about USD2 in Tangra.

Street food:

The same street food costs much more in Sao Paulo. Are $15 (US $2. 88) vs 6 mil (US1. 28). Medellin comes with drink, while Sao Paulo doesn't come with drink. This is similar in regular local places.

A couple of things that I will miss. A street vendor has stopped making fried rice. Another street vendor has removed ingredients like liver, gizzard,. from their chick soup. It was a sad day when I found out.

Restaurants:

A Vietnamese pho is about 10 USD, after water and a spring roll, the total is about 20 USD. In Medellin, the lunch special that comes with a spring roll is under 5 USD.

A dry aged Tomahawk steak is about USD 20 in a nice restaurant in Medellin. In Sao Paulo, you can easily find steak that cost closer to USD 100 on the menu. A couple pieces of picanha in an above average restaurant will cost USD 15. It is not difficult to spend close to US $ 100 for one person without drink in Sao Paulo. I have never spent even half of that with drink included in any Medellin restaurants that I have been to. I may not have been to the most expensive one but I have been to plenty what are considered expensive.

Daily menu:

The pictures are receipts from orders similar to menu de DIA in Sao Paulo. In Medellin, I rarely go over 5 USD. In Sao Paulo it is pretty easy to go over 10, and there places that are packed ad lunch time can go above 20 easily. These are what locals eat in both cities and are the same concept so I used them for comparison.

XXL

01-22-23, 10:29

He posted it for the same reason you mention Colombia.

Sao Paulo is very developed. It is not a cheap place. Many wealthy locals. More nicer restaurants and clubs. Pretty much everything cost twice as much as Medellin. They are not in the same league.What about accommodation? This is the major hurdle in SP right now. Hotel rates in SP are through the roof. I paid Double Tree Itaim (3* hotel at best) 50 USD during the last phase of Covid. Now the same hotel is 200 USD if I want to book for May 2023. WTF. I don't even dare look up Renaissance Hotel.

Axel Heyst

01-22-23, 13:53

What about accommodation? This is the major hurdle in SP right now. Hotel rates in SP are through the roof. I paid Double Tree Itaim (3* hotel at best) 50 USD during the last phase of Covid. Now the same hotel is 200 USD if I want to book for May 2023. WTF. I don't even dare look up Renaissance Hotel.During Covid, demand for hotel space was at an all-time low. I booked the Renaissance for $110/ night and the only other hotel guests I saw at breakfast were airline personal. Now all real 5 stars are priced over $150/ night and many like the Renaissance, Hilton, Intercontinental are over $200/ night. The JW Marriott is over $350/ night and Fasano is over are over $400/ night which is crazy except that it is a case of supply and demand.

So, I have adapted. I have no problem staying at quality 4-star hotels priced between $75 and $125 depending on the room and the dates. I prefer a large room with balcony for doobie smoking with my favorite girls, a separate bathtub for my favorite girls again, an outdoor swimming pool, and a good location. The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.

Axel Heyst

01-22-23, 20:52

The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.The 1st rule of ISG is always post after your morning wakeup cup of coffee. The 2nd rule of ISG is never post when you are stoned or inebriated.

When the subject of inflated hotel prices came up I immediately thought of the hotel prices I paid during Formula 1 race week in November 2022. Prices were up 25% or more. Now I like Formula 1, but I have no intention of buying a ticket and watching the race, so I will probably get out of town during the next race week.

But I am already booked for the 2nd half of May 2023 & June 2023, and I have not seen any significant price increases. IN a quick search I found that Expedia has Double Tree listed at $115/ night for superior room with breakfast, the Renaissance at $169/ night (a bargain? And the Sheraton at $256/ night (ridiculous). Which all goes to show you that hotel prices vary a lot over time and if you want a decent hotel rate it pays to 1) avoid high demand dates, 2) start looking for rooms as soon as you know when you want to go, and 3) keep checking the rates like once a week until you find what you are looking for.

But yeah, I hear what XXL is saying. SP hotel rates are higher than the rates of comparable hotels for example say in BKK. The simple reason is that although demand for hotel rooms is higher in BKK than SP (more visitors go to BKK annually), BKK has a significantly higher number of hotel rooms available, so its hotel rates are lower priced. The critical question remains, however, who do I want to shag: Thai girls or Brazilian girls and so far since April 2021 when I 1st began shagging Brazilian girls my answer is Brazilian girls, so I accept paying higher hotel bills and forgo eating great Thai which is also considerably cheaper than Brazilian food. Oh well. I am happy, although my dream trip is Miami to Sao Paulo to Bangkok to Miami: 3 months.

Nounce

01-22-23, 21:39

FRobertson

01-23-23, 00:49

I suppose they were GPS. Good to know that you are specifically looking to help girls develop GPS.

Maybe next year you can do better. Why pay $1 k when you can pay $2 k.

FRobertson

01-23-23, 01:07

Visited 2 new-to-me clinicas in the western part of town. Unique Spa and Kin Center.

* Unique Spa is at Rua Miranda Guerra, 1052.

This is inside a big residential house, with a parking patio in the front. It's in a quiet-ish residential area. There is a house number and a guy sitting on a plastic chair by the entrance. Just walk right through and the entrance to the reception will be obvious.

The whole place seems new, clean, and well-maintained. The rooms and the showers are quite spacious. There is a fully stocked fridge and a bar (costs money) and there's a grill (though I am not sure how it works and what would it take to get a piece of meat).

I showed up around noon on a weekday and they had maybe 10 girls in attendance, and more trickled in later. They have a special price that's posted on gp-guia.net - 140 per hh, 170 per HR (or was it 190? I don't remember, check it out) - but need to tell them your forum ID and show them the ad.

I had 2 fabulicous experiences and 1 weird non-experience.

The fabulicous experiences were with Mel (shorter and curvier girl-next-door) and Paty (taller and thinner girl-next-door with long and lovely hair).

I had them separately, not together. Just couldn't resist.

Both experiences were wonderful: very GFE, lots of kissing, sucking, licking, etc etc.

Then the weird non-experience: there was this girl named Renata. Another cute girl-next-door type. In the first presentation, she came to me but when I reached out to hold her hand she shook my hand off rather abruptly. Since this was after my other two encounters, I was ready to go anyway, so said to myself, whut-evah.

Then the next day I came again, and in the presentation she likewise came around to me but didn't lean in for a greeting kiss, didn't tell me her name, didn't want to make eye contact, and when I asked for her at the reception, the guy gave a long speech in Portuguese. I didn't understand the speech but I gathered that she wasn't available. Tbh I didn't want to press the issue of figuring out of she is not available in general or not available to me. If she doesn't like me, fine. At least I didn't have to pay to discover it. First time like this though.

Overall, gret impression from this place, as long as they keep the rates at the Tangara level, I will keep coming.

* Clinica Kin Center Libera Rivelino 210.

This place is located off a mini-sidestreet. If you think there should be a house, but there isn't, but there is a side street with a graffiti mural at the end. You're in the right place. There's also a sign that says "Kin" something. Or it could be a door mat. There is also a house number. Anyway, it's relatively easy to find. If you're particularly cheap, it's within walking distance from Brooklin subway station (probably less than 5 minutes walk).

This is one of those places where they ask for the payment up front. The cost is 200 for the half hour, and I forgot how much was the hour. I was there in the afternoon on a weekday, and there were maybe 10 girls available, or a few more.

I picked a girl Carla, a shorter curvy girl that was very huggy and huggable. Paid at the front desk, they took me to the room. Was super small, kinda "japanese-style" with a mattress on the bottom. Shower was normal size.

The girl did all the normal things, I enjoyed the experience.

However, it's kinda out of the way and with it being more expensive than the other places and with the pay-first thing I don't really see a reason for me to go back there.

FRobertson

01-23-23, 01:14

I have a thing for tall slim dark haired girls (like some Romanian girls at my nearest FKK)For me Miruna has been a hit or miss too, but it's within an easy walking distance from Aboborra and Enjoy, so I kinda walk that triangle.

If you are interested in the tall slim dark haired girls, I saw several in Enjoy. Valentina and Hellen particularly come to mind. Not as slim maybe as a famished Romanian, but slim for a Brazilian. Nice attitude and edible, too.

How are things in Germany? Are all-inclusive partytreffs with action in the open still a thing? I enjoyed going to NRW 10-12 years ago and spending a day in each partytreff I could find, but I've read that covid and stupid government got rid of them.

XXL

01-23-23, 01:45

So, I have adapted. I have no problem staying at quality 4-star hotels priced between $75 and $125 depending on the room and the dates. I prefer a large room with balcony for doobie smoking with my favorite girls, a separate bathtub for my favorite girls again, an outdoor swimming pool, and a good location. The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.Oh dear, I need to correct myself, the price was showing on Agoda in Thai Baht, as this is the currency I'm using now in Thailand. I was assuming "B" was for Brazilian Real while it was for Thai Baht. My bad. Might go to SP in May after all. Scared of AirBnB though after being left hanging with my suitcases in the street in Faria Lima. Host didn't even bother to warn me the booking was off.

Torgoch

01-23-23, 08:13

Visited 2 new-to-me clinicas in the western part of town. Unique Spa and Kin Center.Great report, many thanks. I think it is good to let the forum know about alternative locations. I also went to these places on my Sampa trip in summer 2022 and both are worth a visit.

There is a link between Unique and Kin as the people who used to run Kin – Moises and Vanessa – left a while ago and have opened up Unique. Moises and Vanessa are both great and I have always been treated well by them. I have found the people who run ok (as a gringo visiting they seem to make more of an effort? But if you read Gpguia you will see that they get a lot of criticism, and some of the girls that I have spent time with have also complained about the management.

So why do I go to Kin? – well, Brooklin used to be just down the road until it moved, and there are several highly rated girls who work at Kin – Tiffany (who used to work at Mirunas) and Camilla (who used to work at Brooklin). Both are highly rated on Gpguia and I can testify that Tiffany is well worth it IF you can get her as her time is usually pretty well booked up in advance. I've never been with Camilla but she is a highly rated MILF on Gpguia. My favourite at Kin, and my reason for frequenting, is Helena (who used to be known as Fernanda at Brooklin). Price in July 2022 (without gpguia discount) was 220 reais for an hour. There are also other clinicas in the area. Cancionero is a short walk away the other side of Av. Petroque Junior and Espaco Morumbi is near Shopping Morumbi. These are all walkable from Morumbi or Brooklin metro stations and the area is safe during the working day. However, I rarely find anything at Cancioneiro (since Agatha moved to Mirunas) and nothing at Espaco Morumbi (where the receptionists don't seem very interested in you). I love Brazilian food, but I'm not a Michelin 5-star foodie, so I tend to eat where normal Brazilians eat out. I like to eat at South's Place Churrascaria on Av. Petroque Junior. Last time I was there (summer 2022) it was about 75 reais (minus drinks) which is about a fifth the price of Vento Haragano in Pinheiros (now closed) which cost about 350 reais when I was last there in 2019. Not high-end food but excellent value IMO – also in summer 2022 one of the management staff who walk around to check that everything is ok was slim with a mega-huge rack, which was a bonus!!

I discovered Unique Spa (via Gpguia) last summer. It is a bit of a trek to get to. I took the metro to Brooklin then got a taxi. I went with Mel and, I agree, she is great and well worth the trip out to spend time with. Price in July 2022 (without gpguia discount) was 230 reais for an hour. Moises is also a great host and it looks like he has a good line up of girls there so worth a trip. There's not much else in that area, but the new location for Brooklin is just a few 100 yards down the main road. I went in there, but it was early afternoon and there were few girls and the receptionist was a bit pushy trying to get me to go with one of the few girls there. Maybe it is worth a visit in the early evening when it will be better staffed?

Its always good to let ISGers know about alternative locations to Tangara and the Moema clinicas.

WyattEarp

01-23-23, 18:39

I get your point, but I think it is reasonable to compare one Latam country vs another, or one major city vs another major city. I don't think SP and MDE are not in the same league. Airbnb rates in both cities are pretty much the same, so are Uber rates. High end restaurants are a bit more expensive in SP, but not 2 x. I think most of us compare costs in each developing country when deciding where to go. And Colombia definitely got an advantage in terms of best bang for your buck.

PS. I just looked it up, and the average living costs in Colombia are only 20-30% lower than in Brazil. However, the difference in p4p rates is hugeIt's always reasonable to compare cities particularly on the same continent. However, I don't think I would say SP and Medellin are exactly in the same league. I think Nounce did a good job of pointing out the differences and local prices.

Overall, Sao Paulo is a cosmopolitan city that is approximately six times larger than MDE. Being the focal point of a much, much larger economy gives it far more wealth and energy. While you can find people living well in Colombia and any country, there are enormous upper and middle classes in Sao Paulo. Mexico City might be a better comparison to Sao Paulo.

This leaves out of the discussion of what types of women one is looking for and what types of venues interests one. As far as venues, Sao Paulo does offer a lot of types and levels.

One last note, it would seem to me that on first glimpse foreign tourists impact the Colombian sex market more than Sao Paulo. I'm not sure what that means to overall prices, but it suggests to me that again SP has enough wealth to support a vibrant sex scene without sex tourists. You and others might have a different perception of this dynamic.

Anyhow, these discussions might appear mundane to some but they help newbies determine what is important to them in a destination in relation to their wallet.

Nitro2000

01-23-23, 18:41

It is not necessary to pay that amounts for hotels if you know how to do it the right way.

For Sao Paulo, I often book the hotels directly with them (If they have a rewards program) during the cyberweek in November (big discounts), if I already know when I want to go the following year.

If not possible, I book via travel-4-less.com and can safe often a small fortune (that I can spend then for other expenses).

Use WWVRY as an extra 5% for first booking, but no guarantee. For me it worked (few months ago).

During Covid, demand for hotel space was at an all-time low. I booked the Renaissance for $110/ night and the only other hotel guests I saw at breakfast were airline personal. Now all real 5 stars are priced over $150/ night and many like the Renaissance, Hilton, Intercontinental are over $200/ night. The JW Marriott is over $350/ night and Fasano is over are over $400/ night which is crazy except that it is a case of supply and demand.

So, I have adapted. I have no problem staying at quality 4-star hotels priced between $75 and $125 depending on the room and the dates. I prefer a large room with balcony for doobie smoking with my favorite girls, a separate bathtub for my favorite girls again, an outdoor swimming pool, and a good location. The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.

Torgoch

01-23-23, 19:25

I have found the people who run ok (as a gringo visiting they seem to make more of an effort? But if you read Gpguia you will see that they get a lot of criticism, and some of the girls that I have spent time with have also complained about the management..Just to clarify, this should say.

"I have found the people who run KIN ok (as a gringo visiting they seem to make more of an effort? But if you read Gpguia you will see that they get a lot of criticism, and some of the girls that I have spent time with have also complained about the management. ".

I'm not referring to Unique here. I tried editing the previous message but it won't let me.

HiddenEye

01-24-23, 00:10

As I was talking to an ISG member who asked about the pics I post. Most of them butt oriented. Yeahm I'm a fetishist LOL.

Maybe more than 50% of escorts I've met in Brazil and Colombia agree to a sexy shoot. So, modeling gives them a nice extra for exercising their beauty.

The sport of models is different, it may take a few photo shoots to finally fuck the hottie who is not habitue of boates. For example. We got drunk and fucked with this hottie "patricinha" only at the third photo shoot when I took her to a love motel. She loved Vodka-Laranja as much as I do.

Since then I have shot her 3 more times where we left the city for an entire day until she got a BF she wanted to be loyal. Fortunately she had the idea to introduce another model, the japa next to her on the beach chair with a solid muscle ass! Crazy girl BTW.

So for me, the first encounter is a true investment to open doors.

Note: Girls get nice sun tans, it's summer time down here!

OJeito

01-24-23, 00:53

During Covid, demand for hotel space was at an all-time low. I booked the Renaissance for $110/ night and the only other hotel guests I saw at breakfast were airline personal. Now all real 5 stars are priced over $150/ night and many like the Renaissance, Hilton, Intercontinental are over $200/ night. The JW Marriott is over $350/ night and Fasano is over are over $400/ night which is crazy except that it is a case of supply and demand.

So, I have adapted. I have no problem staying at quality 4-star hotels priced between $75 and $125 depending on the room and the dates. I prefer a large room with balcony for doobie smoking with my favorite girls, a separate bathtub for my favorite girls again, an outdoor swimming pool, and a good location. The inflated prices you are seeing at the Double Tree may have something to do with Formula 1 week. Look / see what hotel prices are for the weeks and months following F1.I had a similar experience with my usual go to hotel during the height of covid, hotel cadoro in SP. 39 usd in December 2020!! Today the same room will set you back 93 usd!!

Axel Heyst

01-24-23, 03:40

It is not necessary to pay that amounts for hotels if you know how to do it the right way.

For Sao Paulo, I often book the hotels directly with them (If they have a rewards program) during the cyberweek in November (big discounts), if I already know when I want to go the following year.

If not possible, I book via travel-4-less.com and can safe often a small fortune (that I can spend then for other expenses).

Use WWVRY as an extra 5% for first booking, but no guarantee. For me it worked (few months ago).Nitro, I have been playing this game a long time and I learned to only book with the hotel sites themselves and a handful of reputable internet booking sites like Expedia, Booking, and Agoda. 90% of the time I get the lowest rate possible although occasionally I see an extremely attractive, low ball, hotel price from some internet outfit that does not have the best reputation or online reviews and you know what? I don't even consider the offer because it is risky and I don't like risky when it comes to my hotel reservations. With direct corporate hotel reservations and with reservations on sites like Expedia et al, I know my reservation will be honored exactly as stated and I know I will get a refund if one is necessary. With these lowball sites I don't know anything.

But I am glad travel-4-less.com worked for you. I checked out their website and they shunted me off to locktrip.com. Now I don't know who these guys are or how reliable they are, or what their track record is, but I played along to see just how low their prices really were. But I hit a dead end at the next step because the locktrip would not show me its hotel prices without my giving them my email address which I did not feel like doing. Stalemate. But like I said, I am aware of several lowball travel websites and I don't do business with them because their overall consumer reviews vary from good to terrible.

Nitro2000

01-24-23, 14:36

What you want to say.

I also prefer sometimes direkt booking, but only when I have a status level there and get some extra % or a coupon code on birthday etc 😁 . But sometimes I have to choose another path, and I will definetly not pay the big ones 10-30% more than necessary. Because you also surely know, that their prices (fees) have to generate a big plus to satisfy their stockholders. 😂.

And yes, on that platform you have to register before you can see the prices, because thei are (in average, not every time of course) so low in comparison to the average travel industry prices, that they are now allowed to show directly (according the so called RateParityAgreement between the hotels and the big portals. If you have heard of that) . E. g in Vegas, in the top notch hotels I saved very very often hundreds of $$ booking with them 😎.

Nitro, I have been playing this game a long time and I learned to only book with the hotel sites themselves and a handful of reputable internet booking sites like Expedia, Booking, and Agoda. 90% of the time I get the lowest rate possible although occasionally I see an extremely attractive, low ball, hotel price from some internet outfit that does not have the best reputation or online reviews and you know what? I don't even consider the offer because it is risky and I don't like risky when it comes to my hotel reservations. With direct corporate hotel reservations and with reservations on sites like Expedia et al, I know my reservation will be honored exactly as stated and I know I will get a refund if one is necessary. With these lowball sites I don't know anything.

But I am glad travel-4-less.com worked for you. I checked out their website and they shunted me off to locktrip.com. Now I don't know who these guys are or how reliable they are, or what their track record is, but I played along to see just how low their prices really were. But I hit a dead end at the next step because the locktrip would not show me its hotel prices without my giving them my email address which I did not feel like doing. Stalemate. But like I said, I am aware of several lowball travel websites and I don't do business with them because their overall consumer reviews vary from good to terrible.

Tom Dick 69

01-24-23, 20:37

I was mostly visiting the places in Villa Mariana.

Villa Mariana. Centro:

Rua Joinville, 607. Neo Zen Spa: On Fri 12:20 pm, 2 girls rating 6/10, looks age 30. Prices: Tantrica - 300, Thailand (massage with boobs) - 400, Nuru - 500. All hourly prices. Sex. Extra 300, but easily down to 200. They told 5 girls work there, and 3-4 pm is best to visit. Even their cheapest option was expensive for me, and that too with avg girl, so didn't do session.

Avenue Conselheiro Rodrigue Alves, 920: Went on Fri 2 pm. The place has big door outside, and it was closed. I rang the bell, but no body opened.

Avenue Conselheiro Rodrigue Alves, 925: It's opposite to the above place. The whole building is demolished.

Rua Tangara, 200: It's a standard reliable place. 140/30 190/60. 15 girls work every day, rating 6-8/10. Hot water shower. Seems BBBJ is standard, out of 3 sessions, 2 girls did BBBJ.

Villa Mariana. North:

Rua do Parasio, 642: The building is demolished. The corner house is -632, it has camera outside. So, I thought this could be the place, but based on the guy answer from inside, it's not a chica place. The space next to is a big empty space. I. e. -642 building is no longer there.

Rua Vergueiro, 2339: Went on Mon 3:30 pm. 5 girls rating 6/10, looks age 30.90/30 180/ HR. I was asked to come on Friday to see more girls.

Rua Dr Jose de Queiros Aranha, 82: This is a new place not in the maps. On Mon 4 pm, 4 girls, rating 6/10, all looks age 30.100/30,200/60. Rooms are average, with common shower, no hot water.

Rua Dr Jose de Quieros Aranha, 148:15 girls, 5 presented, rating 6-7/10. Other girls were busy or on lunch. 140/30 190/60. 10 am-10 pm, Sun 11 am-9 pm. I was told Fri 4 pm is best time visit. The receptionist guy spoke good english, and he told the owner here is same as Clinica Tangara.

Rua Machado de Assis, 449: It seems the building is going through construction and not being occupied. I saw 3 guys inside, seems to be construction workers. One guy gave me the above address 'Rua Dr Jose de Quieros Aranha, 148'. So, he knows why I was there and since he gave the address, I assumed the building is not occupied.

Av. Guimaraes Passos, 399: A young girl, looks age 25, answered from inside. She told no massagem. Maybe they are discreet and said no to me.

Rua Bartolomeu de Gusmao, 147: This seems to be a popular place, I have seen 5 guys in 20 minutes I was there. Hours 11 am-7 pm, Sat noon-6 pm, Closed on Sundays and holidays. 185/60, 275/90. Four hands - 310. I don't understand why this is popular. You rarely get to see the girls in person, only on photos even while you are at the location. Wait time for the girl is like 1-2 hours. I didn't want to risk choosing a girl just based on photos. For eg: Anita looks good on photos, but not when I saw in person. I appreciate if someone could explain why this is a popular place.

Villa Mariana. South:

Rua. Dos Otonis, 541: On Sat 2:50 pm, it was closed. The entrance to 2nd floor has a sign saying it's a hair saloon (barberia).

Rua dos Otonis, 694: On Sat 3 pm, it was closed. I rang / knocked, after some time a man from inside told something in Portuguese. He didn't even open the door, I just heard the voice. My best guess is he said it's closed. So, maybe it is closed on Saturdays. All signs for this being a higher end place. Semi discreet place, parking lot in front, camera at the entrance.

Rua Loefgren, 1438: On Sat 3:30 pm, 1 girl 7/10,3 others were busy. 250/ HR FS, 190/30 FS. I was told half of the girls will be on vacation on Saturdays. When I asked for best time to visit to see more girls, he told me come at 1 pm on Monday (or maybe any weekday). 11 am-9 pm, Sat 11 am-7 pm. He told they are open on alternative Sundays.

Rua Loefgren, 927: Went on Sat 3:45 pm. It was closed. I rang, but no one opened. There is a sign on the side that says 'Vendo'.

Rua Luis Gois, 820: On Sat 4 pm, closed. I rang / knocked, but no one opened. But it's still the same place, since the sign outside lists their whatsapp number which is same one in ISG maps.

Rua Dom ANtonino Galvao, 266: Went on Sat 4:30 pm. Saw 5-7 girls, rating 6-7/10.140/30 190/ HR. A guy I met at Clinica Tangara told that this place, along with Clinica Tangara and 'Rua Dr Jose de Quieros Aranha, 148' are by the same owner. Seems he is right looking at the pricing structure.

SamaRiding

01-26-23, 01:07

Rua Tangara, 200:

Rua Dr Jose de Quieros Aranha, 148:15 girls, 5 presented, rating 6-7/10. Other girls were busy or on lunch. 140/30 190/60. 10 am-10 pm, Sun 11 am-9 pm. I was told Fri 4 pm is best time visit. The receptionist guy spoke good english, and he told the owner here is same as Clinica Tangara.

Rua Bartolomeu de Gusmao, 147: This seems to be a popular place, I have seen 5 guys in 20 minutes I was there. Hours 11 am-7 pm, Sat noon-6 pm, Closed on Sundays and holidays. 185/60, 275/90. Four hands - 310. I don't understand why this is popular. You rarely get to see the girls in person, only on photos even while you are at the location. Wait time for the girl is like 1-2 hours. I didn't want to risk choosing a girl just based on photos. For eg: Anita looks good on photos, but not when I saw in person. I appreciate if someone could explain why this is a popular place.
.148 is clinica Yankin. Lots of Asian guys go here. Yankin and Tangara are the largest and best clinicas in this area IMO, which rivals moema. Daily lineups are 10-20 girls each and these places get busy. I have thought about parking myself between these two clinicas instead of my usual moema.

https://www.gp-guia.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=198312

147 is clinica kuhunas. Heard of it but never been.

https://www.gp-guia.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41216

Vila Mariana is also much closer to scandallo so not a bad choice to get a place here.

SamaRiding

01-26-23, 01:50

I was mostly visiting the places in Villa Mariana.

Villa Mariana.
Rua dos Otonis, 694: On Sat 3 pm, it was closed. I rang / knocked, after some time a man from inside told something in Portuguese. He didn't even open the door, I just heard the voice. My best guess is he said it's closed. So, maybe it is closed on Saturdays. All signs for this being a higher end place. Semi discreet place, parking lot in front, camera at the entrance.
e.694 is Oyama which says it's been in business for 50 years. I messaged them a few years ago and this is what they sent me. Sounds like a high end happy ending massage place. So I never tried it. If anybody has. Let us know. It's only on weekdays.

We offer the Relax Massage, which aims to relieve stress, tension and muscle pain. It starts with a relaxing, anti-stress massage, followed by the Thai massage, which is a more sensual massage. The duration is one hour, one hour and ten and the massage costs are $580.00 on the card or are $500.00 in cash (including the masseur's fees) We have a team of 10 masseuses, all trained in massage relaxing and the presentation of them is done through a photo gallery.

TedFerguson

01-29-23, 18:34

Anaggie

01-29-23, 20:17

Anyone coming to SP in the next 2 weeks? I want to buy a Whoop 4. 0 fitness tracker, which would be sent to an address of your choosing. In return, I'the be happy to give you my perspective living in So Paulo for about 4 months in the last year.Going to be in São Paulo from Feb 9-12. Can bring it down to you and you can pick it up at Renaissance. PM me if you are interested. Not looking for anything in return.

Steve 9696

02-01-23, 19:52

Freaking me out that São Paulo is not on the first page of recent conversation. And I look and the last post was three days ago. So odd what's up here? No one having sex? Tired of debating clinica vs boate? Guys stopped over paying? 😂.

MiamiBoy1

02-01-23, 23:31

Freaking me out that So Paulo is not on the first page of recent conversation. And I look and the last post was three days ago. So odd what's up here? No one having sex? Tired of debating clinica vs boate? Guys stopped over paying? 😂.Very few of us travel down there. Too far and girls are too expensive compared to other latin countries. Very few speak Porto. Not much to do in the city, besides dining out and fucking.

WyattEarp

02-02-23, 00:21

Freaking me out that So Paulo is not on the first page of recent conversation. And I look and the last post was three days ago. So odd what's up here? No one having sex? Tired of debating clinica vs boate? Guys stopped over paying?.I think we were all taking in the positive glow from Anaggie's offer to help out a fellow member. That's what makes this forum a cool fellowship of men.

Axel Heyst

02-02-23, 01:53

Very few of us travel down there. Too far and girls are too expensive compared to other latin countries. Very few speak Porto. Not much to do in the city, besides dining out and fucking.My message to all ISG'ers is: MiamiBoy is right! Don't come to Sao Paulo! It is too fucking far and the girly prices are too high especially compared to other Latin American cities. For example: $200 US is the bare minimum you will have to pay for 1 hour with a tier 2 level girl at Scandallo or Bomboa when you add in all the incidentals and fees. So go to Tijuana, the DR, or Jaco and be happy. I have heard great things about Cuba. Truth.

The fewer foreign punters visiting SP, the longer the scene will remain solid. I just want another 15 years of play and then I will hang up my spurs and retire to some beach in southern Thailand with a favorite girl. Don't come to SP! The hotels are very expensive too!

KcDark

02-02-23, 03:03

Very few of us travel down there. Too far and girls are too expensive compared to other latin countries. Very few speak Porto. Not much to do in the city, besides dining out and fucking.I wish I would have known this before I booked my trip LOL. I did get the impression that there is not much to do in Sao Paulo besides dining and fucking. Has anyone visited the casinos or poker rooms there? I see they have a casino that has Texas hold' them and I'd like to play if they do.

MiamiBoy1

02-02-23, 04:57

My message to all ISG'ers is: MiamiBoy is right! Don't come to Sao Paulo! It is too fucking far and the girly prices are too high especially compared to other Latin American cities. For example: $200 US is the bare minimum you will have to pay for 1 hour with a tier 2 level girl at Scandallo or Bomboa when you add in all the incidentals and fees. So go to Tijuana, the DR, or Jaco and be happy. I have heard great things about Cuba. Truth.

The fewer foreign punters visiting SP, the longer the scene will remain solid. I just want another 15 years of play and then I will hang up my spurs and retire to some beach in southern Thailand with a favorite girl. Don't come to SP! The hotels are very expensive too!Don't worry about the scene being ruined. Because it caters to locals mostly. And high costs will prevent the majority of foreign punters from visiting SP.

I don't understand your sarcasm, especially about Cuba, where prostitution is illegal and options are limited. All the places you mentioned are not even in Latin America, you better brush up your geography.

Fewdie

02-02-23, 06:41

You're wrong about Cuba. Prostitution is not illegal there.

Other than Thailand, what countries were listed that is not in Latin America?

Don't worry about the scene being ruined. Because it caters to locals mostly. And high costs will prevent the majority of foreign punters from visiting SP.

I don't understand your sarcasm, especially about Cuba, where prostitution is illegal and options are limited. All the places you mentioned are not even in Latin America, you better brush up your geography.

The Cane

02-02-23, 13:27

My message to all ISG'ers is: MiamiBoy is right! Don't come to Sao Paulo! It is too fucking far and the girly prices are too high especially compared to other Latin American cities. For example: $200 US is the bare minimum you will have to pay for 1 hour with a tier 2 level girl at Scandallo or Bomboa when you add in all the incidentals and fees. So go to Tijuana, the DR, or Jaco and be happy. I have heard great things about Cuba. Truth.

The fewer foreign punters visiting SP, the longer the scene will remain solid. I just want another 15 years of play and then I will hang up my spurs and retire to some beach in southern Thailand with a favorite girl. Don't come to SP! The hotels are very expensive too!Don't forget the crime bro! The crime! Don't forget the crime! It's too dangerous down there! Don't go why'all! Don't go! Go to other places with less crime that cost way less and you will have a great vacay! True that!

PdSuave

02-02-23, 14:58

My message to all ISG'ers is: MiamiBoy is right! Don't come to Sao Paulo! It is too fucking far and the girly prices are too high especially compared to other Latin American cities. For example: $200 US is the bare minimum you will have to pay for 1 hour with a tier 2 level girl at Scandallo or Bomboa when you add in all the incidentals and fees. So go to Tijuana, the DR, or Jaco and be happy. I have heard great things about Cuba. Truth.

The fewer foreign punters visiting SP, the longer the scene will remain solid. I just want another 15 years of play and then I will hang up my spurs and retire to some beach in southern Thailand with a favorite girl. Don't come to SP! The hotels are very expensive too!Hahaha. Not a chance. I'm only bummed I have to wait until November to get down there!

KcDark

02-02-23, 15:50

Don't worry about the scene being ruined. Because it caters to locals mostly. And high costs will prevent the majority of foreign punters from visiting SP.

I don't understand your sarcasm, especially about Cuba, where prostitution is illegal and options are limited. All the places you mentioned are not even in Latin America, you better brush up your geography.I'll also add that most people when they do travel to Brazil, gravitate toward Rio. Also, the language barrier and the cost of a flight from the USA Slows a lot of Americans down from venturing there. Can't speak for other countries, but the focus for USA Travelers is more on Colombia, DR, and Mexico.

MiamiBoy1

02-02-23, 16:28

I'll also add that most people when they do travel to Brazil, gravitate toward Rio. Also, the language barrier and the cost of a flight from the USA Slows a lot of Americans down from venturing there. Can't speak for other countries, but the focus for USA Travelers is more on Colombia, DR, and Mexico.Exactly. That was my point. Also, it seems like the mongers who travel to SP are weekend warriors. Or travel for there for work for a few days. I doubt one will visit Scandallo on a daily basis if one lives in SP or stays there for extended periods of time. SP is a huge city, and I'm sure there are expats living there, but very few, compared to cities like CDMX, Bogota, etc.

Gigi Buffon

02-03-23, 02:29

Exactly. That was my point. Also, it seems like the mongers who travel to SP are weekend warriors. Or travel for there for work for a few days. I doubt one will visit Scandallo on a daily basis if one lives in SP or stays there for extended periods of time. SP is a huge city, and I'm sure there are expats living there, but very few, compared to cities like CDMX, Bogota, etc.What gives you the impression that there are few expats living in São Paulo, quite contrary, it is full of expats because many Latam Headquarters are now based there for obvious reasons, not to mention the significant size of the Brazilian market. There are expats from all over the world and with large communities, quite easy to spot, if you mingle in the right place.

Kib123

02-03-23, 04:50

Was in SP earlier in January, too much rain messed up a few episodes, but otherwise all was great as always.

My favorite on this trip was Livia from Anavrin spa, and is the only one I repeated with. Her sensual GFE style and BJ skill fits my needs very well.

My least favorite was Bia from Brooklin, lazy ass rushed service. And she had the audacity to ask for a tip, never experienced such mediocrity in SP.

Honorable mention goes to Sofia from Miruna (also met her at Brooklin under the same name). Very hot and well meaning, but can't take dick for shit. What elevated her was when she specifically requested me to let her know when I was close, she wanted the load in her mouth. She took it all with a smile and swallowed. I regretted not repeating with her at Brooklin and instead taking a chance on the Bia above.

A freelancer I fully endorse is Camila Pacheco, search on photoacompanhantes, or here (https://garotacomlocal.com/acompanhante/camila-pacheco/). Delivered a rock solid performance, great skill, enthusiasm, and stamina. Also professional and easy to schedule with.

Freelancer honorable mention goes to Aline Garcia (https://garotacomlocal.com/acompanhante/aline-garcia-2/). Also professional and a good performer.

Happy mongering my friends!

Anaggie

02-03-23, 15:11

Exactly. That was my point. Also, it seems like the mongers who travel to SP are weekend warriors.That would be me. Full blown weekend warrior!!

Nounce

02-03-23, 15:31

What gives you the impression that there are few expats living in So Paulo, quite contrary, it is full of expats because many Latam Headquarters are now based there for obvious reasons, not to mention the significant size of the Brazilian market. There are expats from all over the world and with large communities, quite easy to spot, if you mingle in the right place.It is relatively speaking. It feels like you see expats or gringos everywhere in Medellin. There are clubs that are full of gringos. You almost can't not see a gringo when you go to one of the nicer restaurants there, and often they are with a call girl.

The Cane

02-03-23, 16:49

It is relatively speaking. It feels like you see expats or gringos everywhere in Medellin. There are clubs that are full of gringos. You almost can't not see a gringo when you go to one of the nicer restaurants there, and often they are with a call girl.Medellin is a much, much, much smaller place. So, it's easier to see a concentration of gringos, making it seemingly appear that more gringos are there. Sampa has a population that's roughly 4 times the size of Medellin's and is far, far, far more spread out, making it harder to "see the gringos" in any kind of concentration, thus making it appear that perhaps not as many are there as in Medellin. And when I say "gringo", I don't mean just Americans but foreigners in general.

Nounce

02-03-23, 22:40

Medellin is a much, much, much smaller place...The gringos in Gusto alone on a good night will be more than all gringos in all boates in SP combined. LOL.

WyattEarp

02-04-23, 16:20

It is relatively speaking. It feels like you see expats or gringos everywhere in Medellin. There are clubs that are full of gringos. You almost can't not see a gringo when you go to one of the nicer restaurants there, and often they are with a call girl.I have heard the term Gringo Gulch to describe areas heavily concentrated with foreigners. I believe the term is borrowed from Mexico specifically Puerto Vallarta. I have heard it used in various Latin American destinations.

The one thing I can say from my experience is that I do not know if and where a Gringo Gulch exists in Sao Paulo. In Rio, it's pretty obvious it is Copacabana.

TedFerguson

02-04-23, 21:51

I've been here for 2 weeks and it mostly felt like August in Europe. My two favorites from Scandallo are on vacation. My favorite sugar baby is in Florida, trying to get a student visa, but she says she'll be back after it stops raining. There has been some short periods of intense rain at night, but nothing to write home about. Sugar dating sites have been weak, soft response rates, although admittedly I've been getting pickier too. Basically it feels like everyone's checked out on vacation.

I've had sex maybe twice a week until today, and I'm cool with that due to some video games and work keeping my attention. I've been prioritizing sleeping well, plus relationships which can be long term, so Scandallo is less appealing. I'm thinking of maybe relocating to Rio for next trip as that seems more chill and may reduce my stress levels even further.

I had an interesting date lined up for today, super fit 25 year old student with gorgeous face but needs-implants natural chest. She wanted 500 BRL which is unreal for someone of this caliber. I told her 600 plus Uber. She shows up, and is absolutely stunning. She models and her gym subscription is free as long as she posts to her Instagram. When the clothes came off, it was very clear why. Maybe it was the natural chest, but she actually initiated the sex (which I usually don't like) but it was damn good, as per my standard of excellence, twice in one hour. As I've found to be typical, the northerners (closer to the equator) are more affectionate than the southerners. She's been São Paulo for 1 week (recently moved from some small city in Brazil's northeast. Hoping to find someone to help her with rent and other necessities, she was overjoyed with the 1 k I ended up giving her. This is what a jackpot looks like, she's a keeper and a strong contender for monthly allowance (maybe even some breast implants).

Bonus: I recently discovered Gboard, a keyboard which can be downloaded and replace the standard iPhone keyboard. It autocorrects in a non-dumb way across 3 languages (huge improvement over Apple default) and even has Google translate built in. The latter could work better but it still feels like a time saver.

TjBrazil

02-05-23, 03:07

The gringos in Gusto alone on a good night will be more than all gringos in all boates in SP combined. LOL.Gusto had more ugly women per sq foot than any brothel I ever been. Colombia is average at best. It's the best for price but I bored with it pretty quick. If you are young and broke then Medellin is your spot. If you have money Rio is the place.

Nounce

02-05-23, 16:29

Gusto had more ugly women per sq foot than any brothel I ever been. Colombia is average at best. It's the best for price but I bored with it pretty quick. If you are young and broke then Medellin is your spot. If you have money Rio is the place.Those posts weren't about women.

Colombia is above average for me. I spent a substantial amount of time living there and never got bored because there are vast number of them relatively speaking. I can order online and they show up at my door. We entertain and then I go to sleep. Life is not bad. Don't tell me that you don't get messages like this daily. The only thing I might be bored with is their look is not as diverse as Brazil.

It does take some effort over time. Short trip Brazil is much better.

I am in Brazil now. This girl said this to me after I bought her a birthday present and had sex. We spent more than 4 hours together. Many mongers could do this everyday in Medellin, but it is not easily accessible in Brazil for me at least.

Fewdie

02-07-23, 05:38

Hmmm. For me it has been the opposite. Girls from the south for me has always been a lot more affectionate than the north even though everyone else says different.

I've been here for 2 weeks and it mostly felt like August in Europe. My two favorites from Scandallo are on vacation. My favorite sugar baby is in Florida, trying to get a student visa, but she says she'll be back after it stops raining. There has been some short periods of intense rain at night, but nothing to write home about. Sugar dating sites have been weak, soft response rates, although admittedly I've been getting pickier too. Basically it feels like everyone's checked out on vacation.

I've had sex maybe twice a week until today, and I'm cool with that due to some video games and work keeping my attention. I've been prioritizing sleeping well, plus relationships which can be long term, so Scandallo is less appealing. I'm thinking of maybe relocating to Rio for next trip as that seems more chill and may reduce my stress levels even further.

I had an interesting date lined up for today, super fit 25 year old student with gorgeous face but needs-implants natural chest. She wanted 500 BRL which is unreal for someone of this caliber. I told her 600 plus Uber. She shows up, and is absolutely stunning. She models and her gym subscription is free as long as she posts to her Instagram. When the clothes came off, it was very clear why. Maybe it was the natural chest, but she actually initiated the sex (which I usually don't like) but it was damn good, as per my standard of excellence, twice in one hour. As I've found to be typical, the northerners (closer to the equator) are more affectionate than the southerners. She's been So Paulo for 1 week (recently moved from some small city in Brazil's northeast. Hoping to find someone to help her with rent and other necessities, she was overjoyed with the 1 k I ended up giving her. This is what a jackpot looks like, she's a keeper and a strong contender for monthly allowance (maybe even some breast implants).

Bonus: I recently discovered Gboard, a keyboard which can be downloaded and replace the standard iPhone keyboard. It autocorrects in a non-dumb way across 3 languages (huge improvement over Apple default) and even has Google translate built in. The latter could work better but it still feels like a time saver.

WonderWhy

02-07-23, 15:48

Don't forget the crime bro! The crime! Don't forget the crime! It's too dangerous down there! Don't go why'all! Don't go! Go to other places with less crime that cost way less and you will have a great vacay! True that!Sorry this is late but I had to jump on the band wagon. I was in Sao Paulo for two weeks. It rained almost every day. And it was so cold I had to use a hair dryer to warm up because there is no heat in the hotels. Definitely not the place to go.

SoberHans69

02-08-23, 22:19

Just arrived in Sao Paulo for the first time, plan to go to Casarao tonight.

If anyone wants to hang out and hit the clinicas etc, pm me.

SoberHans69

02-09-23, 04:37

Wow was really impressed with Casarao.

Was worried as I went early at 10.30 as I wanted an early night and was expecting the place to be empty.

To my pleasant surprise there was quite a few girls and at least 4 I'd give 8 out of 10, maybe I got lucky or have low standards though.

Picked one of the 8's, better looking than any girl I've seen at 4 x 4 on my trip to Rio and had a decent session in the short time hotel next to it. Would have been better if I spoke more Portuguese, so that's on me.

As someone who prefers the big city to the beach, so far I'm really liking Sao Paulo and I've barely seen much of it. Think if I lived here I'd be obese though, so many sweet foods I see that look good.

Plan on going to one or two Clinicas in Moema tomorrow.

Nounce

02-09-23, 09:01

..It rained almost every day. And it was so cold I had to use a hair dryer to warm up because there is no heat in the hotels...It's similar to Medellin, raining almost everyday. For me, it's only cold occasionally but not always. There was another member reporting the weather was nice during the same period so our perception can be quite different.

KcDark

02-09-23, 16:27

RioHeart

02-09-23, 16:46

Wow was really impressed with Casarao.I will second the Wow. I was there also last night and by 1 am it was packed. 1st time back in Sampa since 2014 and will be visiting again in the coming days. Unfortunately at 64, I have multiple performance issues, so I would be wasting my money on a hook up. But I still had a blast buying a few drinks and chatting up some real beauties.

WyattEarp

02-09-23, 17:15

Sorry this is late but I had to jump on the band wagon. I was in Sao Paulo for two weeks. It rained almost every day. And it was so cold I had to use a hair dryer to warm up because there is no heat in the hotels. Definitely not the place to go.If you are using a hair dryer to stay warm, you are doing Brazil wrong. (wink).

(P.S.- I totally got what you were doing with your post WW. LOL.

SoberHans69

02-09-23, 21:31

Today I went to try a clinica, I again went early as I had trouble sleeping due to jet lag. Tried Prime first and got there about 11.30 I think. There was only three girls there and I would have definitely fucked two of them and the third wasn't bad at all. I took Gabriella but Marcella was the other hot one. Paid I think 170 or maybe 190, can't remember for 30 minutes and got good service, will definitely return. Going to try Abbobora tomorrow.

SoberHans69

02-09-23, 23:56

Are the clinicas all open on weekends?

Nounce

02-10-23, 02:37

Are the clinicas all open on weekends?Most are open on Saturday. About less than half open on Sunday.

JerkMcGerk

02-10-23, 02:57

Hey all,

I'm visiting Brazil for the first time starting this weekend and curious where I can watch the Superbowl and have some fun with ladies. Any recommendations? I'm looking at staying in Moema.

SoberHans69

02-10-23, 03:03

Most are open on Saturday. About less than half open on Sunday.Brilliant, thanks.

Eszpresszo

02-10-23, 04:17

It's similar to Medellin, raining almost everyday. For me, it's only cold occasionally but not always. There was another member reporting the weather was nice during the same period so our perception can be quite different.First off, it doesn't rain almost everyday in Medellin. Colombia does get a lot of rain towards the end of the year, but we are well past their rainy season. I'm actually in Medellin right now, and we got a light rain yesterday, but it is as always, spring-like weather. And to prove that I'm not just talking out of my ass, I am attaching my latest passport stamps. I arrived here this past Monday.

As for Sao Paulo, I have a romantic interest there who reports that it has indeed been rainy, as well as being quite warm (it's summer down there south of the equator) with an uncomfortable level of humidity. But, you can't confuse that for being cold, can you? Perception, my ass.

JerkMcGerk

02-10-23, 05:02

Can anyone share a hotel with stable wifi? I need to work remote and would prefer the area of Moema.

Thanks!

The Cane

02-10-23, 15:42

Your box is full. You need to clear some space bro.

Nounce

02-10-23, 16:19

First off, it doesn't rain almost everyday in Medellin. Colombia does get a lot of rain towards the end of the year, but we are well past their rainy season. I'm actually in Medellin right now, and we got a light rain yesterday, but it is as always, spring-like weather. And to prove that I'm not just talking out of my ass, I am attaching my latest passport stamps. I arrived here this past Monday.

As for Sao Paulo, I have a romantic interest there who reports that it has indeed been rainy, as well as being quite warm (it's summer down there south of the equator) with an uncomfortable level of humidity. But, you can't confuse that for being cold, can you? Perception, my ass.You are funny. I stated my personal experience. You are proving a point that you are not in Sao Paulo and talking about things that you don't have actual experience. 😂.

HiddenEye

02-10-23, 16:28

Scandallo and Bomboa for the night clubs, but being Sunday, it may be a slow night.

If you want to share with civilians. Vila Madalena and Pinheiros you'll find dozens of bars and people. I like it much more than Rua Augusta.

Both have metro stations a few blocks away on the yellow line.

Hey all,

I'm visiting Brazil for the first time starting this weekend and curious where I can watch the Superbowl and have some fun with ladies. Any recommendations? I'm looking at staying in Moema.

Jignesh

02-10-23, 18:46

Work related trip, not as much as I would have liked to explore. Agree with all that this is heaven on earth for us mongers.

Casarao, Monday night.

First, make sure you have cash earlier in the day. Past 11, all bank ATMs are closed, as well as, half the gas stations. After driving around in a cab for almost an hour, found a shell gas station that had an ATM. Had plans to meet up with another fellow ISG'er at Bomboa, but since it was 1 am and I was closer to Casarao, went there instead. R50 entry fee. Small place, front of the house had a great strip show on the pole within the first 15 minutes of arriving. There were several 8's and 9's and bunch of 6-7's. After a while noticed this bespectacled 20 year old who kept twitching her lips. A-naturals and quite fit. Went up and she greeted with a smile. She wanted to go to the back room for a chat and I wanted a drink. First mistake of the night, I offered her a drink. She pulled out her red card and I quickly understood my mistake. Told me she is a makeup artist in a mall (believable). Speaking with the translator app was no problem at all.

She offered 400 room next door and 1000 to come to the hotel. I should have gone with the room next door offer, but I wanted to watch her face (and the room could have dim, red light). Negotiated down to 700 and we went back to the hotel.

Only bad part. No BBBJ. I should have clarified before leaving Casarao. She was probably waiting around for second shot, but I was too tired at 4. 30 for another.

Bar tab at Casarao was 250 and I knew the lady drinks made it so.

Will definitely go back to Casarao on my next trip. Try girls at rooms next door first (cost 150) before bringing anyone back to the hotel.

Scandallo, Wed night .

About 1/3 full. This is an amazing place. The dining room, bars are just worth the tab. Got flashed thrice as I was hanging around the outside bar around midnight. 5 more came and gave a kiss. Finally, Rafaela comes over for a chat. Speaks good English and I let her stay. Overall great body and a cute face. Take her upstairs for a decent time for 800 (if I remember right or was it 700). Only problem the botched up boob job. The surgeon should be in front of a firing squad. Rafaela was quite entertaining with the dancing and singing to the tunes of the room. Yet another sleepless night as I leave around 4 am.

Moema Prime, Thu afternoon.

No signs, easy to miss, walked passed it once. This was the best part of the trip. Daylight, gorgeous 5'8" that Ana is. Great participation, all for R250. Got her number and next time will ask her to visit me in my place. Someone needs to train her a bit on the massage skills, but I wasn't there for a massage, anyway. The others in the line up didn't really float my boat.

Thanks again for the kind members who keep this lively and your tips and suggestions helped massively in navigating this city for a noob.

Also, went to this Samba school one of the nights. Amazing experience, I can only imagine what carnival must be if this were the scene at the school. I am sure pickups were available, but didn't try as I was with friends.

LvHobby

02-10-23, 23:00

The Renaissance is very girl friendly and there are girls working at the lobby bar in the evenings till it closes. But I wouldn't recommend trying to hook up with them. They charge absurd rates.Do you need a room key to go up the elevator? Last thing I need is running into a co-worker meeting a girl in the lobby to bring up.

Anaggie

02-11-23, 14:13

Do you need a room key to go up the elevator? Last thing I need is running into a co-worker meeting a girl in the lobby to bring up.Yes. But you can let the front desk know she is coming beforehand. She just goes to the front desk with the room number, registers and they give her a key to the room. Just remember to cancel her access when you are done. I do this all the time so I don't have to go down and meet them and come back up.

SoberHans69

02-11-23, 23:53

Met up with two other BMs today at Yankin. There was a decent selection but me and one of the BMs decided to stretch our legs and walk to Tangara to check it out.

Nothing stood out there, talent wasn't as good as Yankin, so we decided to check out a place just up the road called Sharon.

This was an upmarket places with prices to match. It was 350 for massage and happy ending for an hour and an extra 200 k for sex.

The girls looked great in pictures on the tablet they had but we were pleasantly surprised when they offered us a presentation.

The quality of women was very high with a few stunners but neither of us took anyone.

We then decided to try Yankin again and I ended up taking a really cute mixed race girl with glasses called Fernanda. Was a good but not great session as she didn't kiss with tongues but everything else was good. There was one really beautiful girl called Camilla there but she was busy and I couldn't be bothered waiting.

I really liked Yankin, good line up, great prices, friendly staff and nice bar area to hang out.

Kib123

02-12-23, 03:16

Are the clinicas all open on weekends?All open on Saturdays. If you are in Moema area, Prime, Miruna, and Indy are the ones I know open on Sundays. Closer to Paulista you have Tangara, Anavrin, and a few others I have sessioned in on Sundays.

My experience is that selection tends to be thin and demand high on Sundays.

WonderWhy

02-12-23, 05:48

If you are using a hair dryer to stay warm, you are doing Brazil wrong. (wink).

(P.S.- I totally got what you were doing with your post WW. LOL.LOL Glad it was not lost. I do appreciate your concern for my welfare while in SP. Of course any suggestions or actual help in making sure I am never cold or even chilly would be accepted.

SoberHans69

02-12-23, 13:01

All open on Saturdays. If you are in Moema area, Prime, Miruna, and Indy are the ones I know open on Sundays. Closer to Paulista you have Tangara, Anavrin, and a few others I have sessioned in on Sundays.

My experience is that selection tends to be thin and demand high on Sundays.Brilliant, thanks. Will try a few later and report back.

Anaggie

02-12-23, 20:41

Arrived Thursday around 330 pm to the Renaissance. Was upgraded to a nice suite so that was a good surprise. Handed over the items that another monger had asked to be bought down.

My plan was to spend the weekend with the girl from Scandello that I had the last time I was down here. During the last meeting, she said she had a friend who she really enjoyed being with and vice versa. So we discussed it over the past few months and I told her that I didn't want a third girl who just sat on the sidelines and took turns. Either she was all in or not at all. Her friend was a tall blonde with a nice tight body. She met my girl at Scandello as a client and she works with her every once in a while when a client requests it.

The blonde came over before my girl did and we talked for a while together over a drink and I got to know her better. She is in her final semester of architecture. The Scandello girl comes over a bit later and it was like we hadn't missed a beat.

Off to dinner and then drinks at a bar where both girls started becoming more touchy and snuggly with me and between themselves. During the ride home, they are all over each other and I know this is going to be good. In the room, we get hot and heavy and are all over each other. The deal between us was all inclusive and all BB. So, I was finally able to check off a bucket list item switch between two girls in the same session. All of us had gotten tested before meeting. After a while of us going at it with each other, I was able to CIP off the Scandello girl. This is what we end up doing for the next two days at night after a few drinks at local bars.

In the mornings before breakfast, the girl who sleeps next to me makes sure that I get a pop off before I get in the shower. The Scandello girl chooses to put it her ass in the mornings. Such a great feeling to wake up to!!

After lunch, we would come back to the hotel to rest and it would usually end up with one or the other getting a nice load in them before taking a nap and resting up for the evening.

These two kept me well amused all weekend with good conversation and the all inclusive GFE. I treated them as if they are GF's and they reciprocated appropriately.

Restaurants I tried this time around:

Leggero Pizzeria Napoletana excellent pizza. My go to pizzeria.

Thaitai their pastel do camarao is not to be missed. Food is well spiced and has lots of flavor.

The. O. M haven't eaten here since 2019 and it was a great meal.

Beefbar pretty good food. I think the best thing was the KFC chicken fried in beef tallow with sichuan peppers. They had some good drinks.

Coco Bambu overrated and wouldn't do it again.

Cantina do Piero il Vero good Italian food. Right across the street from the hotel.

Bars we went to:

G&T cool bar to sit and talk and great drinks.

Tatu Bola neighborhood hangout close to beefbar with live music. Drink weren't that great.

Bar Astor this had some really good drinks and a happening vibe.

In all, a great weekend. I will be seeing the Scandello girl in Dubai in March and she isn't going to charge for her time in Dubai. Paid for her flight ticket and that is all she wanted. Looking forward to that in March.

Back to So Paulo end of April so that should be fun.

Anaggie

02-12-23, 21:51

Forgot to add — changed new USD 100's for 5. 20 at Seattle Tourismo on Friday morning. It was a 20 min walk from the hotel.

The Critic

02-13-23, 07:02

Restaurants I tried this time around:

Leggero Pizzeria Napoletana excellent pizza. My go to pizzeria.

Thaitai their pastel do camarao is not to be missed. Food is well spiced and has lots of flavor.

The. O. M haven't eaten here since 2019 and it was a great meal.

Beefbar pretty good food. I think the best thing was the KFC chicken fried in beef tallow with sichuan peppers. They had some good drinks.

Coco Bambu overrated and wouldn't do it again.

Cantina do Piero il Vero good Italian food. Right across the street from the hotel.

Bars we went to:

G&T cool bar to sit and talk and great drinks.

Tatu Bola neighborhood hangout close to beefbar with live music. Drink weren't that great.

Bar Astor this had some really good drinks and a happening vibe.

In all, a great weekend. I will be seeing the Scandello girl in Dubai in March and she isn't going to charge for her time in Dubai. Paid for her flight ticket and that is all she wanted. Looking forward to that in March.

Back to So Paulo end of April so that should be fun.I really appreciate your reports / contributions to the forum, and I especially like the Restaurant and Bar recommendations.

I look forward to reading your next report.

Also, I like your line / quote in the Rio Thread:

I am in a position in my life where I don't need to calculate a cost per fuck. End of story.

Anaggie

02-13-23, 15:08

I really appreciate your reports / contributions to the forum, and I especially like the Restaurant and Bar recommendations.

I look forward to reading your next report.

Also, I like your line / quote in the Rio Thread:Thanks. I figure mongers still got to eat and drink. Might as well recommend places for people to enjoy their time off.

Rio forum — it has now become a Wal-Mart for mongering.

SoberHans69

02-13-23, 23:17

Last night I went to Casarao again and found another hot girl. She was a really pretty morena with a great ass.

Went to Abbobora today and wow, I love that place.

There was over 10 girls in the presentation and I thought everyone was hot except 1 of them. Wanted a stunner called Pernilla but the guy who arrived before me took her so I choose a really cute petite morena called Megan. Had a great time with her.

HiddenEye

02-14-23, 01:13

I was checking pics sent by one brunette I fucked last December from Bomboa.

It seems the pics were made by some "long hair" client from the Netherlands.

Now I wonder how she saved my phone number LOL.

Nounce

02-14-23, 16:44

Thanks. I figure mongers still got to eat and drink. Might as well recommend places for people to enjoy their time off....To add to your post that is based on my personal observation, I think you can rarely go wrong with Pizza or Italian food in general in Sao Paulo because the large Italian population, especially around the area you are staying that there is a huge Italian neighborhood.

Pastel is like a food stable in Sao Paulo or maybe Brazil, you pretty much can get reasonable high quality ones almost everywhere. There is a chain store called Maria da Pastel that is good but I always prefer the street vendors. This is one of the stores that kind of stay open during new year. I said kind of because they are open for take out only during new year. I walked to the store and ordered it directly.

Surprisingly, there are some decent Thai food in Sao Paulo. I think you probably found one of them.

Coco Bambu is very Brazilian. I think if one likes Brazilian style seafood stew that is creamy, dense, or rich, then you may like this place. It is not cheap but often the portion is for a group so the price will always appear to be much higher. Interestingly, there are many restaurants in Brazil that serve dishes for group so the quantity is large. Also, I think the menu of this chain is different for different locations or regions so I think it is worth a try if you know what you like.

HotelAl

02-15-23, 12:12

SoberHans69

02-16-23, 00:48

Yesterday I went to the '7th best restaurant in the world' A Casa the Porco' in Republica. It was weird going to a posh restaurant in a sketchy area, it felt totally out of place. Whilst I did enjoy the meal I didn't think it was anything special and not worth what I paid for it.

Afterwards I went to Miruna and had a good session with English speaking Clara.

Today I went back to Abbobora (great line up again) and choose one of their ruivas called Louisa as I have a thing for red heads and haven't had one in years. I enjoyed the session, especially the blow job she gave with lots of eye contact. Loved her red landing strip pubes as well, so sexy.

Thinking about going to the blocco party in Bixigia as I've heard it's usually one of the best. Has anyone been to a blocco there or anywhere else they can recommend?

Nounce

02-16-23, 03:44

Macumba

02-16-23, 04:27

Returning to SP after a looong absence next month with a friend. Could someone please provide an update on GF hotels near Ibirapuera Park since that's close to some casas and clinicas. Not necessarily looking for a 5-star hotel but a nice very GF hotel.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Obrigado.I'm staying at an IHG hotel, Staybridge Suites. Have not tested it, but I asked the bell boy if there was a problem bringing guests up to my room. He's answer was No.

I'm staying in the 29th floor with fantastic views.

WonderWhy

02-16-23, 05:27

Returning to SP after a looong absence next month with a friend. Could someone please provide an update on GF hotels near Ibirapuera Park since that's close to some casas and clinicas. Not necessarily looking for a 5-star hotel but a nice very GF hotel.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Obrigado.I have stayed at the Marriott Executive Apartments. It is not too far of a walk from Ibirapuera Park. I only took one girl at a time but took different ones on different days. They did not seem to have any problems. There is a pharmacy next door that has pretty good prices on stuff we use.

XXL

02-16-23, 06:39

UniversalX

02-16-23, 06:55

You can order drinks to the short time rooms at Casarao but I don't remember whether such a thing is possible or allowed at clinicas. I only remember they give you free coffee.

I'd feel safer partying in my own bubble during the day in broad daylight than late at night amid the turmoil and sketchiness of Rua Augusta venues.Clinicas sell drinks that I'm sure you can take to room. Generally, while waiting for line up or just hanging around usually cerveja (s) are offered and depending on the level of clinica mixed drinks are available for purchase.

As far as parting at Casarao or any Boate or any drinking establishment Don't drink beyond your capacity and always maintain situational awareness, if not no matter where you are on earth you could make yourself a potential target(victim) of crime. So, if you really want to party and "let loose" don't walk Rua Augusta just take Uber straight from establishment to your hotel. I have never felt walking Rua Augusta to be unsafe, but I walk around with my head on a swivel and maintain situational awareness at all times.

XXL

02-16-23, 07:24

As far as parting at Casarao or any Boate or any drinking establishment Don't drink beyond your capacity and always maintain situational awareness, if not no matter where you are on earth you could make yourself a potential target(victim) of crime. So, if you really want to party and "let loose" don't walk Rua Augusta just take Uber straight from establishment to your hotel. I have never felt walking Rua Augusta to be unsafe, but I walk around with my head on a swivel and maintain situational awareness at all times.Yeah, the Casarao doorman always waved me back into the doorframe whenever I stood in the middle of the sidewalk monitoring the Uber on my Samsung Z-fold, a prey to snatcher thieves.

The problem with Casarao is also that sessioning involves first going out into the street in order to check into a room next door. Can get hasardous if the girls I talk to or session notice I don't have all my wits about me.

Less a problem with Clinica girls as these are employed by the clinica.

UniversalX

02-16-23, 07:36

Yeah, the Casarao doorman always scolded and waved me back into the doorframe every time I was standing in the middle of the sidewalk monitoring the Uber on my Samsung Z-fold, a prey to phone snatchers.

The problem with Casarao is also that sessioning involves first going out into the street in order to check into a room next door. Can get hasardous if the girls I talk to or session notice I don't have all my wits about me.

Less a problem with Clinica girls as these are employed by the clinica.Yea, I see your dilemma with Casarao. Thats why true in-house (rooms) boates / establishments like Scandallo (https://youtu.be/FdhYePsTaTk) are the better (although more expensive) option where you can really have "Fun."

SamaRiding

02-16-23, 08:17

SamaRiding

02-16-23, 08:46

Yeah, the Casarao doorman always waved me back into the doorframe whenever I stood in the middle of the sidewalk monitoring the Uber on my Samsung Z-fold, a prey to snatcher thieves.

The problem with Casarao is also that sessioning involves first going out into the street in order to check into a room next door. Can get hasardous if the girls I talk to or session notice I don't have all my wits about me.

Less a problem with Clinica girls as these are employed by the clinica.The distance from casarao to the hotel is like 25 feet. Personally I have not felt unsafe with any girls in SP even when drunk. I also haven't heard of any stories of guys being robbed or drugged or taken advantage of by girls in SP. Of course guys should take the standard precautions with any girl you just met.

SoberHans69

02-16-23, 12:19

I'm staying behind the MASP and walked up and down Rua Augusta late at night numerous times and never felt unsafe. I definitely wouldn't feel you safe between Casarao and the short time hotel.

Nordico

02-16-23, 16:14

Steve 9696

02-16-23, 17:47

The Cane

02-16-23, 18:10

Jimmy Boy 99

02-16-23, 18:22

Tochka

02-17-23, 02:21

What's everyone's take on two guys walking ten minutes after dark in the Moema clinicas area. Like from our hotel to 57 Friends House. It seems silly to grab an uber for such a short walk. But I also don't want to be stupid. Never stayed in this part of the city before. So advice welcome. Thanks.I stayed at Tsue Palace Flats, and walked late evenings from Prime, Maurina, to Abbobora and 57 Friends. Passed by lively bars on way. I kept my head on a swivel while walking cause I was drinking at the clinicas. No uber needed to visit all four. At night I left the phone in the Tsue apartment. Carried enough cash plus ID because 57 friends was one block away. The only suspicion was guys sitting in parked cars, with dark tinted windows on the way to and from 57 friends via Tsue. It's a one-block walk but I was startled when two guys jumped out of parked cars going about their business. Thought the parked cars were empty. Dudes we're just sitting there. Nothing happened except I changed to walk down the middle of the street instead of the sidewalk if it's an alley street and now I don't assume parked cars are empty. Had a great time in Moema until prompt 0600 am each morning the blood curling scream of high pitch high speed small jets tortured me and the neighborhood with takeoffs.

SoberHans69

02-17-23, 05:12

Today I had a session with a ruiva in Yankin but it wasn't the best. Think it's my first ever 'not great' session I've had in Brazil so I can't complain. Can't remember her name though, sorry.

Just had a session with a girl from Casarao, love that place. There was probably around 10 or so girls I would have taken there tonight. The girl I ended up taking, who was from Minhas Gerais, was really pretty and her wearing yoga pants won me over (have a thing for girls in yoga pants). Only issue was she had fake tits which I don't particularly mind but still prefer natural even if small.

Tomorrow there's a carnival event near my apartment, on Rua Augusta, so going to check that out.

CenTexCrash

02-17-23, 07:33

HotFuzz123

02-17-23, 15:45

Hello fellow ISG members,

I'll be in SP for a week in mid March. First time to the city for business. Looking for any advice on meeting women or just mongering in general (avoiding seedy places, prefer clean places and maybe higher class escorts). Much appreciated.

Nitro2000

02-17-23, 16:04

On Sunday, almost all is closed (except big malls), so you should prepare for that in advance (for whatever purpose. But on Saturday, there are enough playgrounds open.

Looking for possible trip couple of days in SP. Was in RDJ barely this last December. Before I sink too much thought into this: is SP same as RDJ as far as everything's closed on Saturdays and Sundays? (Both hobby and in general).

SamaRiding

02-18-23, 03:22

On Sunday, almost all is closed (except big malls), so you should prepare for that in advance (for whatever purpose. But on Saturday, there are enough playgrounds open.Prime, Miruna, Indy, enjoy and Tangara clinicas are open on Sunday. The up lines are smaller than weekdays usually, though prime sometimes can have a full lineup. Freelancers can show up at Tangara and prime also on Sundays. Casarao is open both sat and sun. Scandallo is open sat but closed sun. Sunday's are also good for getting scandallo girls to go to your hotel or flat.

Jimmy Boy 99

02-18-23, 04:03

Looking for possible trip couple of days in SP. Was in RDJ barely this last December. Before I sink too much thought into this: is SP same as RDJ as far as everything's closed on Saturdays and Sundays? (Both hobby and in general).All the clinicas are open on Saturdays (with shortened hours) but only some on Sundays (Miruna, Prime, Tangara, Yankin, maybe Brooklin Massages).

UniversalX

02-18-23, 04:29

Looking for possible trip couple of days in SP. Was in RDJ barely this last December. Before I sink too much thought into this: is SP same as RDJ as far as everything's closed on Saturdays and Sundays? (Both hobby and in general).On the general, non-mongering aspect of SP on Sundays, Avendida Paulista is closed to car traffic and the pedestrians take over. Good place for people watching and popup entertainment and shopping. Relaxed atmosphere. There will be enough mongering opportunities to also keep you occupied so all is not lost.

Link to an old article.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sao-paulos-avenida-paulista-is-closing-on-sundays-2015-9#:~:text=But%20Avenida%20Paulista%2C%20the%20city%27s%20famed%20main%20thoroughfare,Sunday%2C%20letting%20cyclists%2C%20strollers%2C%20and%20rollerbladers%20roam%20free.

BigButtDetecto

02-19-23, 05:46

From a monger point of view which is the best city for our business? Sao paulo or rio? (in term of quality, cost and variety).

UniversalX

02-19-23, 07:23

From a monger point of view which is the best city for our business? Sao paulo or rio? (in term of quality, cost and variety).It really depends on if The Beach is important in your life. For me it's a tie but if I really had to choose, I'll go 49/51 Sao Paulo.

Axel Heyst

02-19-23, 15:22

From a monger point of view which is the best city for our business? Sao paulo or rio? (in term of quality, cost and variety).Sao Paulo Pros: Boates, Clinicas, more better girls, better nightlife IMHO, better restaurants. Sao Paulo Cons: more expensive.

Rio Pros: Termas, Prive's, VM (a pro or con depending on your point of view), Urban beaches. RJ Cons: no establishment really can compare to SP's top 3 Boates. I think SP clinicas are nicer than RJ prives too.

Conclusion: For me SP is the city of women. RJ is just a nice little getaway / change of scene from SP for a few days / a week. 6 to 1 SP over RJ.

Anaggie

02-19-23, 15:35

From a monger point of view which is the best city for our business? Sao paulo or rio? (in term of quality, cost and variety).In my opinion, SP for quality and variety. Rio for cost.

Turgid

02-19-23, 17:13

From a monger point of view which is the best city for our business? Sao paulo or rio? (in term of quality, cost and variety).When I first started to go to Brazil in the 90's it was all about Rio. When Help and L'uomo closed I gravitated to Sao Paulo. Now, post covid, I'm considering Rio again. Quality, cost and variety has always been great in Rio, the beach is tipping Rio in my favor for my chosen current style of hobbying.

Vagabundo1

02-19-23, 17:39

The best place in the world for mongering is Barra the Tijuca, Posto 2.

Classico Beach Club day.

Olegario Maciel for drinks and meals.

Perola Negra is the best terma. Girls from there cross over with Solarium and 4 x 4, and get their insta pics during day at Classico, and go to top restaurants at Olegario with dates, as do BarraVipsRio girls.

SP has no beach, just tens of miles of concrete jungle.

After Carnival is optimal time.

When I first started to go to Brazil in the 90's it was all about Rio. When Help and L'uomo closed I gravitated to Sao Paulo. Now, post covid, I'm considering Rio again. Quality, cost and variety has always been great in Rio, the beach is tipping Rio in my favor for my chosen current style of hobbying.

Balboa

02-19-23, 18:20

On the general, non-mongering aspect of SP on Sundays, Avendida Paulista is closed to car traffic and the pedestrians take over. Good place for people watching and popup entertainment and shopping. Relaxed atmosphere. There will be enough mongering opportunities to also keep you occupied so all is not lost.

Link to an old article.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sao-paulos-avenida-paulista-is-closing-on-sundays-2015-9#:~:text=But%20Avenida%20Paulista%2C%20the%20city%27s%20famed%20main%20thoroughfare,Sunday%2C%20letting%20cyclists%2C%20strollers%2C%20and%20rollerbladers%20roam%20free.On a similar note; In Rio, on the weekends, the road running parallel to the beach in Leblon and Ipanema is also closed to vehicular traffic.

Very nice for people watching and relaxed walking.

Nounce

02-20-23, 00:37

From a monger point of view which is the best city for our business? Sao paulo or rio? (in term of quality, cost and variety).There is no single answer. I think you should go to both to decide. I will put it this way.

If you have a large budget like USD 300 a day, Sao Paulo.

If you want best of everything, room, bed, drink, and food, at the establishment, Sao Paulo.

If you have minimum budget, Rio.

If you like dark skinned girl, Rio.

It's difficult to compare cost because they are not exactly the same. I don't mean Rio is cheap in the above comparison but if you want to spend, Sao Paulo is better.

For living expenses, Sao Paulo has more expensive places but that does not mean Sao Paulo is more expensive. I actually think Sao Paulo is cheaper because it does not have as many tourists as Rio.

BigButtDetecto

02-20-23, 02:00

SoberHans69

02-20-23, 05:15

Thanks for the info; however I think I will change my flight from US to Brazil to US to Colombia. Looking at the post here it sounds to me that Colombia is easier and cheaper overall let alone closer to the US: flight is cheaper and faster. I wanted to go to Brazil for the legendary "brazilian butts"; however watching videos on youtube and comparing milleroticos Colombia to photoacompanhantes Brazil, I am inching more and more to stick to Colombia. It seems to me that Colombian women are more curvy than Brazilians; plus I master spanish but not portuguese. Also, is that there is no red lights districts with girls outside in Brazil; Last thing; lot of Vennies in Colombia. Not in Brazil.Personally I think you're making a mistake, Medellin is overrated imo and Sao Paulo and Rio are better in pretty much every way.

Brazilian women are definitely curvier than the Colombians, unless you like asses full of silicone. Brazil has much more diversity in the looks of the women and no nationality can beat them when it comes to f*cking.

Also the food is better in Brazil too.

LvHobby

02-20-23, 09:21

Anyone around this week who wants to get together for the weekend?

Turgid

02-20-23, 14:00

Thanks for the info; however I think I will change my flight from US to Brazil to US to Colombia. Looking at the post here it sounds to me that Colombia is easier and cheaper overall let alone closer to the US: flight is cheaper and faster. I wanted to go to Brazil for the legendary "brazilian butts"; however watching videos on youtube and comparing milleroticos Colombia to photoacompanhantes Brazil, I am inching more and more to stick to Colombia. It seems to me that Colombian women are more curvy than Brazilians; plus I master spanish but not portuguese. Also, is that there is no red lights districts with girls outside in Brazil; Last thing; lot of Vennies in Colombia. Not in Brazil.If its curves, butts and quality women you want its not even a debate, Brazil wins hands down. I've been to both destinations multiple times and it makes no sense arguing about it. BTW it is internationally recognized that Brazilian butts are the most phenomenal in the world.

Axel Heyst

02-20-23, 14:17

Thanks for the info; however I think I will change my flight from US to Brazil to US to Colombia. Looking at the post here it sounds to me that Colombia is easier and cheaper overall let alone closer to the US: flight is cheaper and faster. I wanted to go to Brazil for the legendary "brazilian butts"; however watching videos on youtube and comparing milleroticos Colombia to photoacompanhantes Brazil, I am inching more and more to stick to Colombia. It seems to me that Colombian women are more curvy than Brazilians; plus I master spanish but not portuguese. Also, is that there is no red lights districts with girls outside in Brazil; Last thing; lot of Vennies in Colombia. Not in Brazil.I have spent about an equal amount of time in Colombia & Brazil and I am sure Colombia is the right choice for you. Have fun. BTW (KKK) just so you know: Brazil is the epicenter of large Butts. It's too bad I dislike large bundas. I tired one out on my 1st trip to Brazil and it didn't do anything for me. I prefer attractive, slender girls with natural everything.

The Cane

02-20-23, 14:55

If its curves, butts and quality women you want its not even a debate, Brazil wins hands down. I've been to both destinations multiple times and it makes no sense arguing about it. BTW it is internationally recognized that Brazilian butts are the most phenomenal in the world.As an ass man who has been around the world I say that's 100% spot on. No other women in the world beat the Brasiliera for shapely curves and nice, plump, round bundas and flat tummies. And as far as being able to do something with those bundas besides just squeezing, kneading, and otherwise admiring them (ahem anal sex) no place is better than Brazil. No place!

WyattEarp

02-20-23, 16:49

Thanks for the info; however I think I will change my flight from US to Brazil to US to Colombia. Looking at the post here it sounds to me that Colombia is easier and cheaper overall let alone closer to the US: flight is cheaper and faster. I wanted to go to Brazil for the legendary "brazilian butts"; however watching videos on youtube and comparing milleroticos Colombia to photoacompanhantes Brazil, I am inching more and more to stick to Colombia. It seems to me that Colombian women are more curvy than Brazilians; plus I master spanish but not portuguese. Also, is that there is no red lights districts with girls outside in Brazil; Last thing; lot of Vennies in Colombia. Not in Brazil.I don't think you can get a full picture from comparing internet ads and watching YouTube. A lot of the membership has been to both Brazil and Colombia and offer recommendations based on first hand experience. I don't know what the numbers are, but members by and large prefer Brazil.

It's true Colombia is quicker and easier especially if you speak Spanish. Beyond that, in my opinion Colombia pales in comparison to Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro.

TjBrazil

02-20-23, 18:05

WyattEarp

02-20-23, 18:51

I've never been to SP, but when hooker beach was in front of othon palace back in the day, I find it hard to believe that SP was better in those days. The girls I pulled from there back in the day. Sometimes 2.. I plan on doing SP by the end of the year. I hope the clubs are as good as you guys say.You're right. Rio was better in those days. You had an entire pipeline of girls coming to Rio from Sao Paulo and all over Brazil. Brasileiras could enjoy the beach and make really good money while sharing cheap apartments.

Because of the changes to the Rio scene, the Brasileira pipeline has mostly steered towards Sao Paulo.

Now that doesn't mean you can't find that one girl who really strikes your fancy in Rio. Some of the working girls still do drop into Rio.

BigButtDetecto

02-20-23, 19:03

As an ass man who has been around the world I say that's 100% spot on. No other women in the world beat the Brasiliera for shapely curves and nice, plump, round bundas and flat tummies. And as far as being able to do something with those bundas besides just squeezing, kneading, and otherwise admiring them (ahem anal sex) no place is better than Brazil. No place!Thank you guys from your opinions; I still have 2 month to make up my mind.

I just stumbled to another piece in my decision puzzle. The point of view of a canadian blogger.

https://bbqboy.net/why-i-wont-be-going-back-to-brazil/

Axel Heyst

02-20-23, 19:10

I've never been to SP, but when hooker beach was in front of othon palace back in the day, I find it hard to believe that SP was better in those days. The girls I pulled from there back in the day. Sometimes 2.. I plan on doing SP by the end of the year. I hope the clubs are as good as you guys say.It is hard to compete against a memory especially a memory of a golden era. I should know having witnessed 1st hand the decline of once amazing mongering destinations like AC & Phnom Penh.

The question is not whether SP today is better than RJ back in the "hooker beach" help, L'UOMO days gone by. Sadly, I missed all that legendary stuff. It must have been fucking grand. But here we are February 2023 in the post covid era and our goal is to make the most of the things that are still around. So, I think you will enjoy SP today. It is still a pretty damn good place.

The Cane

02-20-23, 19:26

Thank you guys from your opinions; I still have 2 month to make up my mind.

I just stumbled to another piece in my decision puzzle. The point of view of a canadian blogger.

https://bbqboy.net/why-i-wont-be-going-back-to-brazil/Oh well! I have actually seen this article before. All I can say is that when it comes to the people, I've never had any such experience as him. I've always found the Brazilian people to be quite friendly and approachable and would in no way consider them to have been "hostile" towards me. Instead the word I would use is "welcoming". Maybe his view has something to do with the "attitude" of author of the article himself? I don't know. In any event, I for one am not here to try to convince you of anything. You can go with the opinions of this guy and others like him, or with those from the seasoned mongers here who are giving you their best advice, many of us having deep experience in both Colombia and Brazil. I'll 100% take Brazil over Colombia every single time, especially when it comes to "butt sex" hahaha! No questions asked, no hesitance at all, 100% hands down! Recommend you stop coming up with excuses and take a trip to see for yourself.

BigButtDetecto

02-20-23, 19:27

I also found very edifying video on youtube:

https://youtu.be/mfn0C7c3x8I

So the jury is still out.

SoberHans69

02-20-23, 20:23

I also found very edifying video on youtube:

https://youtu.be/mfn0C7c3x8I

So the jury is still out.Sounds like you're just looking for excuses to not try Brazil, so don't go. Colombia is decent but nowhere near as good as Brazil. Everyone I've met who have tried both, prefer Brazil, including all of the posters who replied to you below.

The only thing different in Medellin is the Facebook scene, which you may prefer but I find ordering girls online boring.

Regarding the friendliness of the people, I found both friendly but prefer the Brazilians as they seem more outgoing up for a good time.

It might help if you tell us what kind of mongering are you looking for? Do you want to find girls online, street walkers, girls in brothels (casas and prives in Colombia and Brazil respectively), in bars / clubs or in strip clubs / termas?

Steve 9696

02-20-23, 20:40

Thank you guys from your opinions; I still have 2 month to make up my mind.

I just stumbled to another piece in my decision puzzle. The point of view of a canadian blogger.

https://bbqboy.net/why-i-wont-be-going-back-to-brazil/I have been to both (and most everywhere else) and here are some facts. And some opinions.

Fact: The Brasileira Bunda (butt) is a real thing. Pretty face. Tiny waist and a bubble butt like no other. It's not fat. It's not muscle bound. It's simply amazing. Not all brasilian girls have it of course. Depends on their genetic line. But when you find it you will be amazed. You will not generally find this in Colombia. The BB is unique and amazing. And I'm not an ass man but was still in awe. I mean it.

Opinion widely held that Briazilian girls provide more IOP (illusion of passion) and DFK and general GFE than anywhere else. I happen to agree with this. I believe a large majority of Brasileiras you will meet at a Boate really bring it in the room and either want to be there or will make us believe they do.

Opinion mine. My experience in Colombia was that most of the girls consider BBBJ to be something you do a bit of before sex. Whereas Brasileiras tend to be more orally fixated and provide amazing kissing snd BBBJ in equal measure to regular sex. I haven't yet met a Brasileira who rushed thru a BJ. I've always gotten amazing BJs in Brazil and other than one exception the ones in Colombia were meh in comparison. Again. Only my experience.

Having been to both I would not generally go back to Colombia vs Brasil.

Nounce

02-20-23, 22:13

... it sounds to me that Colombia is easier and cheaper overall let alone closer to the US...This is true if this is your criteria. I don't think you will go wrong either way assume you know what you are doing. I spent more than 100 days in Colombia before coming to Brazil. Both are excellent.

HiddenEye

02-20-23, 23:11

Nice subject, south american butts. First of all, you must taste flesh from all countries, so going to Colombia and Brasil is a must.

And don't forget argentinians. They have a different vibe, but quality of talent is incredible.

A fellow ISG monger emailed me a few weeks ago asking for info about Argentina, and I told him that the sport there is Models only, and promotional models before pandemics. Not cheap to take the first bite, but once you have the contacts, flesh will not stop flowing.

Real argentinian models pictured by me on the three attached pics.

On the first composite, there are bikini contest winners and playboy models. As you may know, Buenos Aires was the city where Playboy Tv Latam was produced. The other two pics, a promo model who gave personal escort services after working hours. And the fourth pic, promotional models from car races as TC2000 (most of them escorts). There was a saying in the car races among the pilots and mechanics "la que no gatea, aquí no dura" (The girl who does not sexwork, doesn't last here).

Those asses are a crazy thing indeed, but as you mention: Brasil, Argentina and Colombia will always be in the top 3 countries.

WonderWhy

02-20-23, 23:25

Looking for possible trip couple of days in SP. Was in RDJ barely this last December. Before I sink too much thought into this: is SP same as RDJ as far as everything's closed on Saturdays and Sundays? (Both hobby and in general).On a nice weather Sunday I go to Ibirapuera Park during the day, get some fresh coconut juice watch people, then go to Cesaro at night. Picked up one of my new favorites there on a slow night. Worked out great for both of us. Took her to my hotel and she stayed all night.

Eszpresszo

02-21-23, 00:07

There is no single answer. I think you should go to both to decide. I will put it this way.

If you have a large budget like USD 300 a day, Sao Paulo.

If you want best of everything, room, bed, drink, and food, at the establishment, Sao Paulo.

If you have minimum budget, Rio.

If you like dark skinned girl, Rio.

It's difficult to compare cost because they are not exactly the same. I don't mean Rio is cheap in the above comparison but if you want to spend, Sao Paulo is better.

For living expenses, Sao Paulo has more expensive places but that does not mean Sao Paulo is more expensive. I actually think Sao Paulo is cheaper because it does not have as many tourists as Rio.As someone who is in Brazil at this moment on my 7th visit, I can honestly say EVERYTHING you have posted here is so wrong. I will address your statements individually.

"If you have a large budget like USD 300 a day, Sao Paulo. ".

If you have a large budget, why would you even want to stay in Sao Paulo? If you have the money to travel, then flying out of SP is the best use of your funds.

"If you want best of everything, room, bed, drink, and food, at the establishment, Sao Paulo. ".

That statement tells me all we need to know about your experience in Sao Paulo. Specifically, its obvious to me that you have never been there. SP is a large, nasty, filthy, dangerous and ugly place. Really. It has the highest costs for everything and an overflowing population of homeless that shit on the sidewalks. SP is the only place where I have had to use the flashlight on my cellphone at night to ensure I wasn't stepping in human shit, because the neighborhood was a habitat for the homeless. SP has virtually no colonial buildings, just lots of ugly architecture in 15 shades of grey. It is the drabbest city in Brazil. And no, it has no mountains, no beaches, no ranges of lovely green hills. So, how can it have the best of everything? What it does have is the worst, most unpredictible weather in Brazil, going from extreme heat to chilly weather within a week. The rain has already ruined two days of Carnaval this year. And when it rains, it can rain for weeks and make the experience miserable. Then you will be at the airport with a ticket up north. And then there is that random downpour which leaves you drenched on the street, which I experienced today. In my experience, SP has the worst climate in the world. And then there is traffic and pollution. But, don't get me started on that. The only thing I like about SP is that it is home to Brazil's most ecletic and edgy music. Lots of good concerts here. Culturally, it is actually a bit lacking as there isn't a real Cultura Paulistana whereas the rest of the country as its unique cultural characteristics. So, if you have money, you'd be a fool not to catch a flight out of Sao Paulo. Brazil is an extremely rich and diverse nation. The punting just happens to be exceptional, as well.

If you have minimum budget, Rio.

Wrong! Rio is still expensive. BTW, you actually stated that you thought SP was actually cheaper. But seriously, if you have a minimum budget, catch a bus out of SP into any other nearby cities. Any Brazilian will tell you that Rio and SP are far more expensive than other cities. I indicate SP as 90% of all international flights arrive at GRU. Direct flights into Rio are limited and expensive. Cities like Belo Horizonte, Curitiba, Florianopolis are less expensive (though Floripa can be higher during the high season) in most aspects. Punting costs are around HALF the price. The local food is interesting in those places and the cities more tranquil, with few filthy, homeless agressively pestering you for money or sleeping on the sidewalk. I prefer the Northeast myself, though you will need to fly to those cities. The bus trip would be brutally long! The Northeast has many amazing, uncrowded beaches, as well as triving urban beaches. The Northeast will always be warm enough for swimming! Plus some cities like Joao Pessoa and Recife (along with its neighbor Olinda) have lots of colonial buildings. Forget Salvador, as it is a pricey, overrated, tourist destination and possibly the most dangerous city in Brazil. The Bahian food and beaches are excellent, but access to other cities outside of Salvador is time consuming and / or expensive.

If you like dark skinned girl, Rio.

WRONG AGAIN. Both Rio and SP have a wide selection of woman of all shades. You would have a hard time going through all the morenas in either city during your visit. Perhaps the average population of Rio is darker, that doesn't indicate nor limit your choices by any means. If you only like morenas, I suggest Recife as the population is overwhelmingly on the darker side and its an amazing city. If you like brancas, the southernmost states are the place to go. If you like variety, SP has a significant number of Japanese mestizas and a small number of pure Japanese girls. The ethnic variety of women is the only thing that SP excels in.

"It's difficult to compare cost because they are not exactly the same. I don't mean Rio is cheap in the above comparison but if you want to spend, Sao Paulo is better. ".

Excuse me, but who actually wants to spend money for the sake of spending money? If you did, I would suggest Las Vegas as a better and more accessible option.

"For living expenses, Sao Paulo has more expensive places but that does not mean Sao Paulo is more expensive. I actually think Sao Paulo is cheaper because it does not have as many tourists as Rio. ".

Sao Paulo is the commercial capital and has a lot of business travelers. Unlike tourists, they aren't paying the hotel bill. Business travelers have expense accounts, which makes for expensive hotels. Plus real estate in general is expensive in SP compared to the rest of the nation. SP is just expensive with little that justifies the tourist or the punter lingering there.

BTW I have attached my latest passport stamps.

OJeito

02-21-23, 00:59

I have been to both (and most everywhere else) and here are some facts. And some opinions.

Fact: The Brasileira Bunda (butt) is a real thing. Pretty face. Tiny waist and a bubble butt like no other. It's not fat. It's not muscle bound. It's simply amazing. Not all brasilian girls have it of course. Depends on their genetic line. But when you find it you will be amazed. You will not generally find this in Colombia. The BB is unique and amazing. And I'm not an ass man but was still in awe. I mean it.

Opinion widely held that Briazilian girls provide more IOP (illusion of passion) and DFK and general GFE than anywhere else. I happen to agree with this. I believe a large majority of Brasileiras you will meet at a Boate really bring it in the room and either want to be there or will make us believe they do.

Opinion mine. My experience in Colombia was that most of the girls consider BBBJ to be something you do a bit of before sex. Whereas Brasileiras tend to be more orally fixated and provide amazing kissing snd BBBJ in equal measure to regular sex. I haven't yet met a Brasileira who rushed thru a BJ. I've always gotten amazing BJs in Brazil and other than one exception the ones in Colombia were meh in comparison. Again. Only my experience.

Having been to both I would not generally go back to Colombia vs Brasil.I think you said it perfectly amigo.

Wayne Roberts

02-21-23, 04:58

As someone who is in Brazil at this moment on my 7th visit, I can honestly say EVERYTHING you have posted here is so wrong. I will address your statements individually.

"If you have a large budget like USD 300 a day, Sao Paulo. ".

If you have a large budget, why would you even want to stay in Sao Paulo? If you have the money to travel, then flying out of SP is the best use of your funds.

"If you want best of everything, room, bed, drink, and food, at the establishment, Sao Paulo. ".

That statement tells me all we need to know about your experience in Sao Paulo. Specifically, its obvious to me that you have never been there. SP is a large, nasty, filthy, dangerous and ugly place. Really. It has the highest costs for everything and an overflowing population of homeless that shit on the sidewalks. SP is the only place where I have had to use the flashlight on my cellphone at night to ensure I wasn't stepping in human shit, because the neighborhood was a habitat for the homeless. SP has virtually no colonial buildings, just lots of ugly architecture in 15 shades of grey. It is the drabbest city in Brazil. And no, it has no mountains, no beaches, no ranges of lovely green hills. So, how can it have the best of everything? What it does have is the worst, most unpredictible weather in Brazil, going from extreme heat to chilly weather within a week. The rain has already ruined two days of Carnaval this year. And when it rains, it can rain for weeks and make the experience miserable. Then you will be at the airport with a ticket up north. And then there is that random downpour which leaves you drenched on the street, which I experienced today. In my experience, SP has the worst climate in the world. And then there is traffic and pollution. But, don't get me started on that. The only thing I like about SP is that it is home to Brazil's most ecletic and edgy music. Lots of good concerts here. Culturally, it is actually a bit lacking as there isn't a real Cultura Paulistana whereas the rest of the country as its unique cultural characteristics. So, if you have money, you'd be a fool not to catch a flight out of Sao Paulo. Brazil is an extremely rich and diverse nation. The punting just happens to be exceptional, as well.

If you have minimum budget, Rio.

Wrong! Rio is still expensive. BTW, you actually stated that you thought SP was actually cheaper. But seriously, if you have a minimum budget, catch a bus out of SP into any other nearby cities. Any Brazilian will tell you that Rio and SP are far more expensive than other cities. I indicate SP as 90% of all international flights arrive at GRU. Direct flights into Rio are limited and expensive. Cities like Belo Horizonte, Curitiba, Florianopolis are less expensive (though Floripa can be higher during the high season) in most aspects. Punting costs are around HALF the price. The local food is interesting in those places and the cities more tranquil, with few filthy, homeless agressively pestering you for money or sleeping on the sidewalk. I prefer the Northeast myself, though you will need to fly to those cities. The bus trip would be brutally long! The Northeast has many amazing, uncrowded beaches, as well as triving urban beaches. The Northeast will always be warm enough for swimming! Plus some cities like Joao Pessoa and Recife (along with its neighbor Olinda) have lots of colonial buildings. Forget Salvador, as it is a pricey, overrated, tourist destination and possibly the most dangerous city in Brazil. The Bahian food and beaches are excellent, but access to other cities outside of Salvador is time consuming and / or expensive..Thanks for your insight, but a few things you need to put into perspective.

1. These other cities and locations that you mention, they are not geared up to support our hobby like SP and Rio are. Yes there are women there, but you are not going to see the same number of quality venues that facilitate things.

2. A lack of Portuguese is already tricky in SP and Rio, but its another ball game when you head into the other cities.

3. Unless you have a significant amount of time to spend on the ground in these places, its going to take a while before you have figured the place out well enough to consistently get high level experiences. Thats less of an issue in SP and Rio.

4. Go into any boate in SP and then go into any terma in Rio. On average, there are going to be way more lighter skinned women in SP. Yes you will find them in Rio, but the number drops the further north you go. Simple demographics.

5. The best working girls in the country go to their local business districts because that's where the money is. This is not just in Brazil, this is the world over. The elite tend to go abroad if they have the option to leave for a while.

So in the context of the average punter who is going to have a month or less on average, then SP and Rio make far more sense than anything you suggested. None of the advice you offered helps anyone but expats or guys who have the ability to travel for long periods of time. The only guys who could get some value out of what you suggested are the guys who speak porto.

I was recently in Floripa. Almost no clubs, your options are escorts and online dating apps. Given time you will build an amazing stable, but if you only have a week what's the point?

BigButtDetecto

02-22-23, 00:17

Sounds like you're just looking for excuses to not try Brazil, so don't go. Colombia is decent but nowhere near as good as Brazil. Everyone I've met who have tried both, prefer Brazil, including all of the posters who replied to you below.

The only thing different in Medellin is the Facebook scene, which you may prefer but I find ordering girls online boring.

Regarding the friendliness of the people, I found both friendly but prefer the Brazilians as they seem more outgoing up for a good time.

It might help if you tell us what kind of mongering are you looking for? Do you want to find girls online, street walkers, girls in brothels (casas and prives in Colombia and Brazil respectively), in bars / clubs or in strip clubs / termas?I like cities that have all options available in term of quantity, quality and reliability; Bogota has it all; I went there so many times; It is just that I want to explore other venues; I went to Rio 20 years ago and had good time; that was before the ISG; there was the WSG but not as good as ISG. So I think I will spend 1 week in SP, 1 week in Rio, and 1 week in Boogota on my way back to California.

Steve 9696

02-22-23, 01:39

I write all my adventures down in detail. Sometimes I go back and read favorite adventures to relive them. It was timely when I went to read Brazil 2019 because I contended yesterday that Brasilieras were better on the BBBJ and more girlfriendy than any other nationality. I was careful to say that is just my opinion. But I happened upon this fact:

"Of the 9 girls I saw, I finished 7 CIM. And 5 out of those swallowed without a second thought. Nice!”

To me that's solid data. 7 out of 9 CIM and 5 swallowed. Wtf. Brasileiras rule!

Globalnomad5

02-22-23, 01:55

I believe you need a Yellow Fever vac certificate to enter Colombia from Brazil.

So I think I will spend 1 week in SP, 1 week in Rio, and 1 week in Boogota on my way back to California.

Knowledge

02-22-23, 03:19

You can get a medical exemption if you are 60 or older. You would need it or the vaccine certificate to directly enter Colombia or Panama. Bon voyage.

I believe you need a Yellow Fever vac certificate to enter Colombia from Brazil.

TjBrazil

02-22-23, 10:18

Rio has many nicer places to meet girls in person. If you are an online only guy then I guess it doesn't matter. Go to Medellin, it's cheaper. If you like the chase of going to different places and finding your type, then Rio wins easily. The girls are much wilder in Rio. My next trip to Rio is going to be my first post pandemic trip with no Covid test needed to leave. I will see if things have changed for the better.

Nounce

02-22-23, 14:29

I don't look at things in term of absolute. This is more an explanation than winning an argument, and hopefully someone find it as sharing.

The price is about the same period in similar area, it's a place called Centro in both Rio and Sao Paulo.

The orange juice price list is Rio. The red hat man holding a bottle is SP. That bottle is about 500 CC and was are $4 last year. I always bought 5 bottles to bring back to my apartment. The other 2 pictures show the SP wholesale market where I found the juice vendor. Everything came in large trucks and it is only open at night. You basically buy in bulk. There are smaller vendors sprinkle around that sell in small retail quantity as well. This is not on the map. I found this area seeing the bright lights on freeway going to Scandallo so I tried to find out what's here. LOL. Lots of good stuff. The picture with Pastel price is in SP. If you take metro going to clinicas, you will likely know this standd. This picture is just for fun memory.

The Yakisoba price is Rio. I think some of you will recognize where this is taken. haha. Its RB156. I ordered it with a guanana juice and sit on the chair in the picture using that white stool as table. I still remember this day I had a date with a 4x4 blonde that we promised each other we would not cancel. We didn't meet because her baby sitter did not show up.

SP does not have price but it starts at are $5 and large one is are $10. There are 3 different vendors here. The last picture is fried rice and is now obsolete which I already miss greatly.

Nounce

02-22-23, 15:01

It really depends on how you want to see it. The firework picture is taken NYE above the jungle from my balcony. Hehe. These Brazilian phrases touch me. One is from a museum. The other just taken recently in a shopping mall. The sunset is taken from my apartment from where I am now while I was working

The last picture is from an Italian neighborhood in SP

Turgid

02-22-23, 15:18

......And don't forget argentinians. They have a different vibe, but quality of talent is incredible.......The demise of Argentina as a mongering destination was a huge blow to me. It was my favorite destination up to 2010. The hottest girls I've ever banged were banged there including incredibly gorgeous Paraguayans. I'm still hoping things would improve there.

HiddenEye

02-22-23, 22:29

Argentinian women feel true rivalry against paraguayans. As you may already know, hundreds of germans escaped to Paraguay during and after WWII. And they had many descendants in Paraguay because the country lost men population during the Chaco war of the 1930's, this is why they have the exotic mix, the same as in southern Brasil. The germans arrived in Paraguay and found a women overpopulated country.

I've met paraguayans in Northern Argentina, there is lots of commerce and culture between those two countries because of the river ports. They have their own carnival in northern Argentina and many paraguas travel there and looks very much the same as in Rio. Picture attached from the Posadas. Misiones carnival. A very hot place in all sense of the word.

Picture attached of a girl that has all that mix we're referring to, and a behind scenes only a visual producer can have in archive Argie from the north, half native and half german. Her lastname is german as a matter of fact. A true beast. 1,78 m (almost six feet tall) hiper long legs, incredible suntan. A solid 10.

The demise of Argentina as a mongering destination was a huge blow to me. It was my favorite destination up to 2010. The hottest girls I've ever banged were banged there including incredibly gorgeous Paraguayans. I'm still hoping things would improve there.

The Cane

02-23-23, 00:10

Argentinian women feel true rivalry against paraguayans. As you may already know, hundreds of germans escaped to Paraguay during and after WWII. And they had many descendants in Paraguay because the country lost men population during the Chaco war of the 1930's, this is why they have the exotic mix, the same as in southern Brasil. The germans arrived in Paraguay and found a women overpopulated country.

I've met paraguayans in Northern Argentina, there is lots of commerce and culture between those two countries because of the river ports. They have their own carnival in northern Argentina and many paraguas travel there and looks very much the same as in Rio. Picture attached from the Posadas. Misiones carnival. A very hot place in all sense of the word.

Picture attached of a girl that has all that mix we're referring to, and a behind scenes only a visual producer can have in archive Argie from the north, half native and half german. Her lastname is german as a matter of fact. A true beast. 1,78 m (almost six feet tall) hiper long legs, incredible suntan. A solid 10.I was in Ciudad del Este in Paraguay once (don't ask why) and was surprised to see so many blonde German girls in such an out of the way place! Now in Buenos Aires, all of the Paraguayanas I saw had a very indigenous, native look about them. I fucked one of the prettiest ones really hard and strong in the bed. She made all kinds of funny noises as our pelvises repeatedly slammed together from my rhythmic thrusts against her body hehehe!

Turgid

02-23-23, 15:03

.... It's too bad I dislike large bundas. I tired one out on my 1st trip to Brazil and it didn't do anything for me....You have my sympathy. It is my experience that the bigger the bunda the hornier the chick.

Axel Heyst

02-23-23, 16:06

You have my sympathy. It is my experience that the bigger the bunda the hornier the chick.Interesting. I will take you word for it, but so far, I have had no problem with the sex drive of my petite, slender ass Brazilian girls. Ha Ha.

But what about tall, slender ass girls? This is my new flavor favorite, and I am digging them. For example, on my last trip I had the pleasure of 2 very attractive, tall, slender girls. One was from Scandallo and the other was from Bamboa. One of the girls was my height 5'10" and the other girl was a couple of inches taller than me in her bare feet. Both girls were very passionate and amorous. The sex was amazing, so I repeated with both girls a few times each while I was in town.

HiddenEye

02-23-23, 16:34

Oh yeah, you're just right.

North East Argentina, Posadas, Misiones, Cordoba, Rosario you can find lots of paraguayans. Such amount of beauty up there.

I was in Ciudad del Este in Paraguay once (don't ask why) and was surprised to see so many blonde German girls in such an out of the way place! Now in Buenos Aires, all of the Paraguayanas I saw had a very indigenous, native look about them. I fucked one of the prettiest ones really hard and strong in the bed. She made all kinds of funny noises as our pelvises repeatedly slammed together from my rhythmic thrusts against her body hehehe!

Turgid

02-24-23, 14:49

Interesting. I will take you word for it, but so far, I have had no problem with the sex drive of my petite, slender ass Brazilian girls. Ha Ha.

But what about tall, slender ass girls? This is my new flavor favorite, and I am digging them. For example, on my last trip I had the pleasure of 2 very attractive, tall, slender girls. One was from Scandallo and the other was from Bamboa. One of the girls was my height 5'10" and the other girl was a couple of inches taller than me in her bare feet. Both girls were very passionate and amorous. The sex was amazing, so I repeated with both girls a few times each while I was in town.I love tall, slender ass girls but only for vaginal sex, however, little Turgid likes variety. There's nothing more enjoyable than banging a huge bubble butt garota in the ass.

HotFuzz123

02-25-23, 06:06

HiddenEye

02-25-23, 16:05

The earliest I went was 5 pm. The bar was open there were around 10 girls already working. Talent was just good and took one girl upstairs. When I was about to leave the place, a tall Japa in tight rose cocktail dress showed up. Mind blowing. She's in my todo list for the next trip.

All girls will give their whatsapp after service, and some will give it even before service. As they are freelancers, you can arrange everything with them for days after.

Enjoy.

Hello,

I will be in SP for a few nights, and thinking of going to visit Scandallo on Friday the 10th of March.

Can anyone help me with a few questions:

1) How much is the current entrance fee and what does it include? I read somewhere that the food is great.

2) I also read that you can go around 7 pm when it is less crowded, have dinner with a girl or just choose a girl after dinner to bring to the room.

3) How much do the girls charge? A ballpark range would be nice.

4) Can you bring the girls back to your hotel if you like them?

If any mongers in this site would like to visit as well at the same time, you're welcome to join me. We can exchange info in PM.

HotFuzz123

02-25-23, 18:32

Thank you for your pointers. I will try to go earlier to see if I can find one girl that I like to propose for an all nighter. I'm staying at the Renaissance, I heard that the lobby is full of working girls too. Will be an interesting trip.

The earliest I went was 5 pm. The bar was open there were around 10 girls already working. Talent was just good and took one girl upstairs. When I was about to leave the place, a tall Japa in tight rose cocktail dress showed up. Mind blowing. She's in my todo list for the next trip.

All girls will give their whatsapp after service, and some will give it even before service. As they are freelancers, you can arrange everything with them for days after..

Nitro2000

02-25-23, 18:36

1) after 7 pm (it is actually 500 Rs with 300 Rs as consuming credit.

Food is ok. But of course absolutely overpriced (nevertheless, sooner or later you have to or should spend your included credit in some way. Hahaha).

2) I never was before 10 pm, so I only know the "full house" situation, and that I prefer, because at 7 pm or earlier, you are for sure the prey, and not the ladies. Hahaha.

3) Girls charge between 500 Rs and 2. 500 Rs per hour. Depends on different things. But you should negotiate or at least trying. Sometimes no discount for gringos)).

(well mannered appearance and a little Portuguese could mean saving a few hundred Rs hahaha.

4) When you decide to take a girl to your hotel, you should consider that you also have to pay the "exit fee". That's about the same as one hour there in a room.

Hello,

I will be in SP for a few nights, and thinking of going to visit Scandallo on Friday the 10th of March.

Can anyone help me with a few questions:

1) How much is the current entrance fee and what does it include? I read somewhere that the food is great.

2) I also read that you can go around 7 pm when it is less crowded, have dinner with a girl or just choose a girl after dinner to bring to the room.

3) How much do the girls charge? A ballpark range would be nice.

4) Can you bring the girls back to your hotel if you like them?

If any mongers in this site would like to visit as well at the same time, you're welcome to join me. We can exchange info in PM.

JZeleznik

02-25-23, 19:19

Hello,

I will be in SP for a few nights, and thinking of going to visit Scandallo on Friday the 10th of March.

Can anyone help me with a few questions:

1) How much is the current entrance fee and what does it include? I read somewhere that the food is great.

2) I also read that you can go around 7 pm when it is less crowded, have dinner with a girl or just choose a girl after dinner to bring to the room.

3) How much do the girls charge? A ballpark range would be nice.

4) Can you bring the girls back to your hotel if you like them?

If any mongers in this site would like to visit as well at the same time, you're welcome to join me. We can exchange info in PM.1) Currently its R500 with R300 being consumable (used on food / drinks). If you arrive before a certain time its only R300 consumable, though I'm not 100% sure on what time that is. The food is very high quality, and regardless of the time I show up I pretty much always eat there. It gives me an opportunity to survey the talent pool a bit without being pounced on right away.

3) You can get almost any girl for R800 for an hour. I'm sure plenty can be had for less, but personally if I'm going to the most expensive house I'm not shopping for the second and third tier talent. Recently I did break my rule and pay R1000, but that was for someone I'd say was objectively the best looking girl there, spoke English, and had been very affectionate with me for an hour+ beforehand. She had opened with a much higher number, and I wasn't willing to lose her over R200. I did not regret my decision.

4) Most girls will see you outside of the club, as it saves them and you money. Near the end of the night some will even suggest it rather than going up to the rooms. Personally though I prefer to screen them in the room before letting them near my hotel, as I tend to stay for a long period of time and I'm overly paranoid.

Hopefully that's helpful, enjoy!