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Thank you for your pointers. I will try to go earlier to see if I can find one girl that I like to propose for an all nighter. I'm staying at the Renaissance, I heard that the lobby is full of working girls too. Will be an interesting trip.The girls working at the Renaissance bar will charge you a gringo price which will be very high with limited service. I wouldn't waste my time.
HotFuzz123
02-26-23, 00:53
Jzelenik, Anaggie and Nitro2000 Thank you for your advice! I will keep it in mind, especially on the prices of the girls in the club, chatting them up and negotiating and also avoiding the girls in the lobby of my hotel. Looking forward to the trip.
1) Currently its R500 with R300 being consumable (used on food / drinks). If you arrive before a certain time its only R300 consumable, though I'm not 100% sure on what time that is. The food is very high quality, and regardless of the time I show up I pretty much always eat there. It gives me an opportunity to survey the talent pool a bit without being pounced on right away.
3) You can get almost any girl for R800 for an hour. I'm sure plenty can be had for less, but personally if I'm going to the most expensive house I'm not shopping for the second and third tier talent. Recently I did break my rule and pay R1000, but that was for someone I'd say was objectively the best looking girl there, spoke English, and had been very affectionate with me for an hour+ beforehand. She had opened with a much higher number, and I wasn't willing to lose her over R200. I did not regret my decision.
4) Most girls will see you outside of the club, as it saves them and you money. Near the end of the night some will even suggest it rather than going up to the rooms. Personally though I prefer to screen them in the room before letting them near my hotel, as I tend to stay for a long period of time and I'm overly paranoid.
Hopefully that's helpful, enjoy!
Axel Heyst
02-26-23, 01:33
Anaggie, when I stayed at the Renaissance last October, the hotel lobby / bar / restaurant area was full of people until at least 12:30-1 am and there was no place for the FL's to sit and nurse a drink. Even the bench where I used to smoke joints with some of my girls was occupied by other hotel guests until late. What a shame. I like a hotel with a few FL's hanging out in the hotel bar even if I never partake. It makes the place feel more like home. KKK.
Hello world. Been to SP several times. But all the time took the safe route of Scandallo and enjoyed my available time. I have done Tangara and brooklin massage places in my very first trip approximately 7 years ago. Last time felt very bored at Scandallo. After entering at 6 pm till 12 midnight every night. Needed some variety. Which website is good. Skokka looks way too real to be true. So will skip it. Photoacompanhantes looks ok. What is the trusted go to websites. (there seems to be a million of them).
What are the classic massage places. Where they have will atleast 8-10 garotas?
My trips seem to be too stereo trpical or monotonous. Arrive at WTC / Sheraton or Hilton Morumbi or Renaissance and every day take a uber to Scandallo for 5 continous days and by the 3rd day get bored seeing the same girls over and over. But classic, guaranteed, very clean, safe, good food is a big plus. Please don't beat me up for my naive question. I am seeking some serious alternate ways / help to enjoy SP.
This is an old experience, let me share it, if you don't mind.
My heavy drinker days in Cafe Photo on the Juscelino Kubitschek Avenue Nr. 373.
One of those nights, I decided to look the talent from a table, in front the scenery, the band playing really good 80's covers around 2 am. A few tables away from mine, there was a slim old man alone, dressing a suit, he looked like the assistant of an attorney, drinking whisky.
I started calling next to me every single girl who showed standing, and I made this proposal:
Me: So, you can really do my wildest dreams come true?
Girl: Sure, I can do that and even more.
Me: Cool, what if I watch you being fucked by the old guy in front of us? You can choose the best room in Asturias.
Girl: Which one? The old one there? (after watching all tables around).
Me: Yeah. Tell me how much.
No one agreed! Jajajajajaja I tested maybe 6 girls until very late. Some of them left the table in 10 seconds, others tried to change my plan and I invited them a drink.
That night I left the house around 4 am. With a chubby talkative girl who laughed at my proposal for long minutes.
The proposal never came true.
Was it more because of the price wasnt right for them?
This is an old experience, let me share it, if you don't mind.
My heavy drinker days in Cafe Photo on the Juscelino Kubitschek Avenue Nr. 373.
One of those nights, I decided to look the talent from a table, in front the scenery, the band playing really good 80's covers around 2 am. A few tables away from mine, there was a slim old man alone, dressing a suit, he looked like the assistant of an attorney, drinking whisky.
I started calling next to me every single girl who showed standing, and I made this proposal:
Me: So, you can really do my wildest dreams come true?
Girl: Sure, I can do that and even more.
Me: Cool, what if I watch you being fucked by the old guy in front of us? You can choose the best room in Asturias.
Girl: Which one? The old one there? (after watching all tables around).
Me: Yeah. Tell me how much.
No one agreed! Jajajajajaja I tested maybe 6 girls until very late. Some of them left the table in 10 seconds, others tried to change my plan and I invited them a drink.
That night I left the house around 4 am. With a chubby talkative girl who laughed at my proposal for long minutes.
The proposal never came true.
Hello,
I will be in SP for a few nights, and thinking of going to visit Scandallo on Friday the 10th of March.
Can anyone help me with a few questions:
1) How much is the current entrance fee and what does it include? I read somewhere that the food is great.
2) I also read that you can go around 7 pm when it is less crowded, have dinner with a girl or just choose a girl after dinner to bring to the room.
3) How much do the girls charge? A ballpark range would be nice.
4) Can you bring the girls back to your hotel if you like them?
If any mongers in this site would like to visit as well at the same time, you're welcome to join me. We can exchange info in PM.I am planning on going that night. Let's meet up.
Axel Heyst
02-26-23, 19:02
Hello world. Been to SP several times. But all the time took the safe route of Scandallo and enjoyed my available time. I have done Tangara and brooklin massage places in my very first trip approximately 7 years ago. Last time felt very bored at Scandallo. After entering at 6 pm till 12 midnight every night. Needed some variety. Which website is good. Skokka looks way too real to be true. So will skip it. Photoacompanhantes looks ok. What is the trusted go to websites. (there seems to be a million of them).
My trips seem to be too stereo trpical or monotonous. Arrive at WTC / Sheraton or Hilton Morumbi or Renaissance and every day take a uber to Scandallo for 5 continous days and by the 3rd day get bored seeing the same girls over and over. But classic, guaranteed, very clean, safe, good food is a big plus. Please don't beat me up for my naive question. I am seeking some serious alternate ways / help to enjoy SP.Scandallo is great, but everyone needs a little variety in his boate nightlife to keep things fresh. You should check out Bomboa, Casarao, Bahamas, and Cafe Photo in approximately that order. You will not be sorry you did.
On the afternoon Clinica front: I advise you to read the relevant reports (RTFF). I think there are more better casas than Tangara and Brooklin definitely worth checking out like Prime and Abbóbora to name just 2, but YMMV.
Escorts: If I were you, I would focus your efforts solely on MClass & Club Model escort sites. Prices are higher, but so is the quality and no bait & switch.
HotFuzz123
02-27-23, 01:15
I am planning on going that night. Let's meet up.I seem to be unable to PM you. How do we recognize each other.
I've been to Cafe Photo two separate times in the last 2 years (incl 6 mo ago) and both times it was a busy. The entrance fee is similar to that of Scandallo except there's very, very few girls inside.
It's too bad because the place itself looks super nice and luxurious but I wouldn't recommend spending money to go there, better places for that in SP (including the aforementioned Scandallo).
Anaggie, when I stayed at the Renaissance last October, the hotel lobby / bar / restaurant area was full of people until at least 12:30-1 am and there was no place for the FL's to sit and nurse a drink. Even the bench where I used to smoke joints with some of my girls was occupied by other hotel guests until late. What a shame. I like a hotel with a few FL's hanging out in the hotel bar even if I never partake. It makes the place feel more like home. KKK.Yup. The last time I was in SP, the lobby bar was full. The girls were sitting across the bar in that little area with sofas next to the check in area. I noticed two as both smiled at me and were both a bit on the older side. I don't hang out at the lobby bar. So many other places to go check out.
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No, the proposal was too bizarre for them to evaluate it.
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Was it more because of the price wasnt right for them?
HotFuzz123
02-27-23, 23:15
I am planning on going that night. Let's meet up.You cannot post contact information here. Subscribe and you will get access to the Private Messaging system. It's only $25 a year but you have to pay in Bitcoin (that's the fastest route. Took me half a day to get access).
Scandallo is great, but everyone needs a little variety in his boate nightlife to keep things fresh. You should check out Bomboa, Casarao, Bahamas, and Cafe Photo in approximately that order. You will not be sorry you did.
On the afternoon Clinica front: I advise you to read the relevant reports (RTFF). I think there are more better casas than Tangara and Brooklin definitely worth checking out like Prime and Abbbora to name just 2, but YMMV.
Escorts: If I were you, I would focus your efforts solely on MClass & Club Model escort sites. Prices are higher, but so is the quality and no bait & switch.I appreciate the ranking on boates, thanks. I've done Scandallo and a tiny place called Brooklin Club that I liked, and Bahamas and Cafe Photo that I hated, but other than that haven't really branched out much. I had Casarao on my radar for this trip, but I'll be heading to Bomboa first based on your list. Do you happen to know the going rates there?
As for clinicas I personally have been really enjoying Miruna over Prime. That was my experience last trip, and still holds true so far this time. I will say that the scene seems to shift fast though.
On an unrelated note does anyone have any suggestions for a phone sim card without a CPF, or should I just bite the bullet and get one? I am hesitant to venture too far out of my comfort zone until I have a sim for my backup phone.
Axel Heyst
02-28-23, 03:32
I've done Scandallo and a tiny place called Brooklin Club that I liked, and Bahamas and Cafe Photo that I hated, but other than that haven't really branched out much. I had Casarao on my radar for this trip, but I'll be heading to Bomboa first based on your list. Do you happen to know the going rates there?I think you will like Bomboa. The scene there is very different than Scandallo. It is more like a neighborhood boate where everybody knows your name. KKK. The all consumable entry fee is around 250 BR or a little more. Rooms are 250 BR and the rooms are very nice. Bomboa girls ask anywhere from 500 BR to 1000 BR, but I have never given them more than 800 BR. If a girl that I am interested in asks for 500 BR or 600 BR, I just agree to her offer. And the 1000 BR or 900 BR girls have always immediately accepted my counteroffer of 700 or 800. There are usually 30 to 50 girls available at around 10 pm on a Wed, Thurs. Or Friday night. Live music every night. The bar does skimp on the booze in their mixed drinks and they have a pretty decent restaurant. It is my 2nd favorite boate in SP.
But I highly recommend Casarao as well. The scene at Casarao very, very different from that at either Scandallo or Bomboa and there are a ton of girls available (wall to wall) at around midnight and later. I can easily see why some guys rate this place numero uno. Hey, I love this place too. KKK. Prices have been mentioned recently by another BM, so no point my repeating them, but it is significantly cheaper here than at Scandallo or Bomboa. Casarao girls ask between 350 BR and 500 BR. Rooms are located in another building next door. The rooms are scuzzy. KKK. Let's just say I have elected to never showered there and neither have any of my Casarao girls. That is why, unless I am totally slumming it for one reason or another and my girl's appearance is too wayward, ha ha ha, I prefer to take my Casarao girls back to my hotel.
I am a little surprised you did not like Bahamas, however. To me Bahamas is like a fancy RJ Terma. Not that many girls, but I can usually find a nice one. I like the decor too. But what got me hooked on the place was when one of my Scandallo girls started working there. She invited me over one night to take a look and I kind of dug the place, although I ended up taking her back to my hotel that night so we could have more time together.
Anyway, I think having a good time is all about mixing things up so one never gets bored. Scandallo one or two nights a week, and then ditto for Bomboa and Casarao. Of course, I also have my ever-growing list of favorite repeat girls whom I love seeing. They can easily take up half the nights in my week or the entire week if I let them. This is why I love SP. It is the City of Women and I never get bored here.
P.S. I will take your word for it and check out Brooklin Club on my next visit.
I appreciate the ranking on boates, thanks. I've done Scandallo and a tiny place called Brooklin Club that I liked, and Bahamas and Cafe Photo that I hated, but other than that haven't really branched out much. I had Casarao on my radar for this trip, but I'll be heading to Bomboa first based on your list. Do you happen to know the going rates there?
As for clinicas I personally have been really enjoying Miruna over Prime. That was my experience last trip, and still holds true so far this time. I will say that the scene seems to shift fast though.
On an unrelated note does anyone have any suggestions for a phone sim card without a CPF, or should I just bite the bullet and get one? I am hesitant to venture too far out of my comfort zone until I have a sim for my backup phone.TIM will sell you a SIM card + data package based on you passport. I got a SIM twice at the "loja TIM" at Shopping Iguatemi, but you may want first to try out the TIM shop nearest to where you stay.
Elvis 2008
02-28-23, 04:16
I appreciate the ranking on boates, thanks. I've done Scandallo and a tiny place called Brooklin Club that I liked, and Bahamas and Cafe Photo that I hated, but other than that haven't really branched out much. I had Casarao on my radar for this trip, but I'll be heading to Bomboa first based on your list. Do you happen to know the going rates there?
As for clinicas I personally have been really enjoying Miruna over Prime. That was my experience last trip, and still holds true so far this time. I will say that the scene seems to shift fast though.
On an unrelated note does anyone have any suggestions for a phone sim card without a CPF, or should I just bite the bullet and get one? I am hesitant to venture too far out of my comfort zone until I have a sim for my backup phone.Look at a Google Fi SIM card.
...I got a SIM twice at the "loja TIM" at Shopping Iguatemi, ....This maybe the most straightforward method when there is one nearby.
You can get TIM chip (They call a SIM card chip in Brazil) at any newspaper stand or store, then register yourself in English. The key is you need help to get to that English speaking agent on your cell with your new number. The first time, my Airbnb host did it. Later I did it myself with help. You can bring your phone with SIM to any TIM store and ask them to register for you or help you get to the English speaking agent. You need your passport number and maybe the address of the place you are staying. You can even get the store to help you get to the English speaking agent if the store is not too busy.
Steve 9696
02-28-23, 12:48
Scandallo is great, but everyone needs a little variety in his boate nightlife to keep things fresh. You should check out Bomboa, Casarao, Bahamas, and Cafe Photo in approximately that order. You will not be sorry you did.
On the afternoon Clinica front: I advise you to read the relevant reports (RTFF). I think there are more better casas than Tangara and Brooklin definitely worth checking out like Prime and Abbbora to name just 2, but YMMV.
Escorts: If I were you, I would focus your efforts solely on MClass & Club Model escort sites. Prices are higher, but so is the quality and no bait & switch.What about 57 Friends Club. I guess it's a lower brow vibe, but so convenient to my hotel. Any thoughts on that? Also why is Cafe Photo so low ranked. I thought it was quite high end — but maybe past it's prime?
P.S. For SIM card guy I second that Google FI rocks. Phone works all over the world and you don't have to do zip. Well worth not hassling for SIMs as I am usually only in town a couple days.
Axel Heyst
02-28-23, 15:30
What about 57 Friends Club. I guess it's a lower brow vibe, but so convenient to my hotel. Any thoughts on that? Also why is Cafe Photo so low ranked. I thought it was quite high end but maybe past it's prime?I have only been to 57 Friends one time so in all fairness to the bordello I have not made up my mind about this place yet. It was around 3 pm when I went there and the place seemed more like a clinica than a boate. There were around 10 girls hanging out in 2 large bar rooms bars. Not many customers. Girl quality was more or less what you would expect in a Moema clinica. I went upstairs with a friendly Morena with a smoking hot all-natural body and had a pretty good time which is why I am holding off my final opinion of the place until I have a chance to go there at night and see if the place takes on a more boate like feel.
Axel Heyst
02-28-23, 17:47
I think you will like Bomboa. <snip> The bar does skimp on the booze in their mixed drinks and they have a pretty decent restaurant. It is my 2nd favorite boate in SP.
Oops, I meant to write "the bar does not skimp on the booze in their mixed drinks". It is always a very healthy pour. The girls truned me on to Bomboa's Gin Tropical. Its very tasty.
Jimmy Boy 99
02-28-23, 19:23
I have only been to 57 Friends one time so in all fairness to the bordello I have not made up my mind about this place yet. It was around 3 pm when I went there and the place seemed more like a clinica than a boate. There were around 10 girls hanging out in 2 large bar rooms bars. Not many customers. Girl quality was more or less what you would expect in a Moema clinica. I went upstairs with a friendly Morena with a smoking hot all-natural body and had a pretty good time which is why I am holding off my final opinion of the place until I have a chance to go there at night and see if the place takes on a more boate like feel.57 Friends is a clinica until 9 PM (last time I checked), with typical clinica pricing and you pay reception the fee. Usually dead in the afternoon. After 9 PM, it becomes a boate and you negotiate directly with the girl her fee and pay reception the room fee. Used to be a lot livelier. Seems to be dying lately.
57 Friends is a clinica until 9 PM (last time I checked), with typical clinica pricing and you pay reception the fee. Usually dead in the afternoon. After 9 PM, it becomes a boate and you negotiate directly with the girl her fee and pay reception the room fee. Used to be a lot livelier. Seems to be dying lately.Is this place the same as Chanes 57? If so then I went there once and it was not for me. Wasn't taken by the talent. Friendly but not what I was looking for.
This worked for me from the comfort of my hotel room: https://www.tim.com.br/para-voce/atendimento/facilidades/ativacao-chip.
This maybe the most straightforward method when there is one nearby.
You can get TIM chip (They call a SIM card chip in Brazil) at any newspaper stand or store, then register yourself in English. The key is you need help to get to that English speaking agent on your cell with your new number. The first time, my Airbnb host did it. Later I did it myself with help. You can bring your phone with SIM to any TIM store and ask them to register for you or help you get to the English speaking agent. You need your passport number and maybe the address of the place you are staying. You can even get the store to help you get to the English speaking agent if the store is not too busy.
57 Friends is a clinica until 9 PM (last time I checked), with typical clinica pricing and you pay reception the fee. Usually dead in the afternoon. After 9 PM, it becomes a boate and you negotiate directly with the girl her fee and pay reception the room fee. Used to be a lot livelier. Seems to be dying lately.Just prior to Covid I was staying at an Airbnb near 57. Walked there one evening and was under impressed until a dark skinned girl took an interest in me. We had a drink and I told her I enjoyed making love in my room much better than at clubs. She agreed to come to me for 300 real after she was done there. She arrived, I had to remind the security that I had booked for 2 people then we spent a lovely night. She did not leave until late the next morning. She kept in touch with me through the pandemic and when I returned last spring she was the first I had come to me. What a wonderful night. However, she had decided she was a 1000 reai girl without telling me and we parted agreeing to disagree after three visits.
Thanks for the full rundown on Bomboa Axel, and I'd add that I used to enjoy 57 at night quite a bit but I feel like the quality is not where it was even three months ago.
As far as Bahamas goes, I went 4-5 times at varying hours over two trips. The entry gets pretty steep after a certain hour (21 maybe?) and the girls would ask me for R800+. My conclusion was ultimately that if I'm going to pay Scandallo prices, I'm going to go to Scandallo. In fairness to Bahamas it is a nice looking place, and there are nice looking girls. Maybe I'll have to try it once more on a busy night, and give the food a shot.
To the person asking about my ranking on Cafe Photo, my experience was limited. I went one time, and started out being very unnerved when they asked to scan my finger print to get in. I went along with it, but it really didn't sit well with me. As for the girls, there was a decent selection and I saw a few I was interested in, but they were occupied so I never got to really explore options. This place also has no rooms on site, and while I like brining girls back to my hotel I generally prefer to screen them once at a club and only invite them back if I know they're fun / sane. Cafe Photo and Scandallo have a decent bit of crossover from what girls tell me, so I imagine its not a bad spot overall if you're comfortable with those few caveats.
Jimmy Boy 99
03-01-23, 04:15
Is this place the same as Chanes 57? If so then I went there once and it was not for me. Wasn't taken by the talent. Friendly but not what I was looking for.Yes, it used to be on Rua Chanes.
I've been to Scandalo so many times that I'm looking to switch it up a little this time. In total, I've visited the club 16 times and it's starting to feel a bit repetitive. Has anyone been to any of the clubs in the smaller cities of Sao Paulo? I'm not talking about Campinas, since it's a relatively big city, but more like the smaller towns in Sao Paulo? I'm sure it would be a much more interesting experience with a different atmosphere.
Did anyone catch the graphic video of the massacre that occurred at the pool hall in Moto grosso? It is a chilling reminder that this could happen to any of us. If you wish to view it, here is a link. This is why I just try to stay away from any confrontation in the us and Brazil whether I'm right or wrong. Even with random girls, we have to becareful too because some could work in groups with other people and be up to no good.
https://nypost.com/2023/02/22/7-killed-at-brazilian-pool-hall-after-mocking-losers-video/
Just prior to Covid I was staying at an Airbnb near 57. Walked there one evening and was under impressed until a dark skinned girl took an interest in me. We had a drink and I told her I enjoyed making love in my room much better than at clubs. She agreed to come to me for 300 real after she was done there. She arrived, I had to remind the security that I had booked for 2 people then we spent a lovely night. She did not leave until late the next morning. She kept in touch with me through the pandemic and when I returned last spring she was the first I had come to me. What a wonderful night. However, she had decided she was a 1000 reai girl without telling me and we parted agreeing to disagree after three visits.Visited 57 Friends late afternoon and night. It was a one-block walk from the hotel. The front desk lady speaks fluent English. They did not have a wide variety of good liquor. In my opinion, the garotas were mostly plain ones you see in other bars. A few cuties came after their shift was done at nearby clinica. There was different pricing as a clinica than as a boate for the room and garotas. I couldn't figure out the pricing the first time. It was not a very busy place. One night I found a girl next door type student. She was porn style performer in bed. I could not tell by her plain-looking face and glasses. After a while, we agreed to met in the hotel apartment to have more fun and better drinks. That was great I think 300 reals. We still stay in touch. There are reviews on gpgua of 57 Friends.
SocratesNY
03-01-23, 13:06
I gave a rundown of some boates in SP here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2725264&viewfull=1#post2725264.
But to further elaborate, no matter how nice a place, it still comes down to the quantity and quality is the girls.
I really want to like Cafe Photo, as it's posh, have great waiter service and the setup allows one to see most of the girls from the lounge as it's mostly one open circular space, with a balcony restaurant and smoking room on the second floor. Here is a drone tour of the space:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HZXoEVdxugY
Logistically, Cafe Photo is great for me as I can relax and scope out most of the girls from my seat in the main lounge area without moving much. The girls at Cafe Photo also won't approach you on their own. At Scandallo, I often have to keep moving from room to room to fully scope out the talent.
I also usually only takes girls out so the lack of a takeout fee is also a plus. I can have the option of taking girls to my place or a love motel with themed rooms, depending on my mood without extra fees.
But the main problem with Cafe Photo is the low numbers of girls on site. It usually only has 1/3 to 1/6th the amount of girls when compared to Scandallo. I've always seen at least a couple girls I am interested in at Cafe Photo, but often times are occupied with others and unavailable. Of the 5 or 6 times I've visited, I've left empty handed about 50% of the time and moved on to another boate. Which is not a great ratio when the cost of entry / consumption is on par with Scandallo.
Cafe Photo also appears to be more of an "early" evening boate. I found the best talents at around 8 to 10 pm. Basically it is like a one shift situation. Girls arrive between 7 to 8. And then gets picked over or they leave and move on to other boates / parties if they feel the club is quiet.
You don't see an infusion of girls coming in later in the evening like in Scandallo or Casarao, where things get hopping at 10 pm+ (Scandallo) or 12 am+ (Casarao). At Cafe Photo, things die down at 11 pm or so.
I've said I'd not return to Cafe Photo more than once, but curiosity sometimes gets me to go back. Apparently, I like to give second, third and fourth chances.
Cafe Photo is a decent change of pace for regular Scandallo visitors, but be prepared to move on to another boate after your visit. Thankfully, Bomboa is nearby and Bahamas and Gauguin Club are like a 10 min Uber away.
Speaking of Gauguin Club, has anyone been there recently? Thinking of checking out out on my next trip, along with Bahamas.
SocratesNY
03-01-23, 14:05
It has the layout of a boate, but operates as a clinica during the day. There is a small lobby area when you enter with a sofa to the side, so you can sit and ask for a presentation lineup when you enter.
Alternatively, you can do inside the club and walk around. The girls see usually chilling at the sofas in the main lounge area, although some might be in the restaurant in the back or the smoking area off to the side. There is also a bar in the lounge area that you can order drinks. The place isn't posh and the decor a bit dated. Almost like a low key bar and lounge you would find in a small town.
I've visited about 4 x, 3 x during the day and 1 x at night (around 10 pm). The talent level is on par with the other clinicas in the area. There were between 6 to 10 girls during the day. Some other punters have said it can get busier in the evening, especially after 9 pm, when other girls from other Moema clinicas finish their shift and move over to here to finish their night at 57. I didn't find that to be the case during my one evening visit, as I still only saw about 8-10 girls at 9 pm (think it was on a Thursday or Friday).
At night (after 7 or 8 pm), it operates as a boate and you negotiate with the girl directly. I forgot whether there was an admission or minimum consumption or not, but if there was, it was minimal (R 50 or less). I didn't take anyone onsite during my visits, but always saw one girl I was interested in. The reason I didn't was due to me being with friends they were always interested in the same girl! I always deferred to them and let them do the test drive. I did get the digits of the girls from my friends after their session, if they had a good time, and saw the girls outside the club. One girl stood out there for me and she works there from time to time. Her name is Maya / Mya / Mia.
When I don't have time to get a SIM card I use wifi calling from a USA based plan I keep. There is no cost to place or receive calls to or from any phone number worldwide. The catch of cousrse is you have to be connected to wifi. Google FI works but I recommend people who want to use it read the privacy policy and use agreement carefully before diving in.
What about 57 Friends Club. I guess it's a lower brow vibe, but so convenient to my hotel. Any thoughts on that? Also why is Cafe Photo so low ranked. I thought it was quite high end but maybe past it's prime?
P.S. For SIM card guy I second that Google FI rocks. Phone works all over the world and you don't have to do zip. Well worth not hassling for SIMs as I am usually only in town a couple days.
Steve 9696
03-01-23, 17:31
When I don't have time to get a SIM card I use wifi calling from a USA based plan I keep. There is no cost to place or receive calls to or from any phone number worldwide. The catch of cousrse is you have to be connected to wifi. Google FI works but I recommend people who want to use it read the privacy policy and use agreement carefully before diving in.I used to rely on Wi-Fi but some bad experiences:
1. Almost missed hooking up with my Campinas boate girl in London because London City Wi-Fi was out. That would have been a disaster.
2. Navigating Incall in London. You can start directions at your hotel and they still work disconnected. But if one thing goes wrong you are fucked.
3. Same thing trying to find this tiny unmarked massage place in Berlin. Hopping into cafes and trying to get signal. A nightmare.
$70/ month is a total steal for as much as I see girls internationally.
Axel Heyst
03-01-23, 19:38
Speaking of Gauguin Club, has anyone been there recently? Thinking of checking out out on my next trip, along with Bahamas.Last April 2022, I was with another favorite repeat girl whom I had originally met in Bomboa on an earlier trip in Fall 2021. We were now seeing each other around once a week at my hotel. She had become one of my regulars. On this particular night I was staying at the Hilton which is a block down the street from Gauguin. At some point in the evening Licia asked me if I had ever been to Gauguin. I told her I had not and then asked her if she had been there. She said she occasionally went there and sometimes it was good (from her point of view; ha ha) meaning there were plenty of customers and she found some to her satisfaction. So, that is what originally sparked my interest because Licia is a smokin' hot branca spinner who occasionally advertises in Club Model and I am interested in any place that has more girls like her. KKK. Sadly she was on tour in Europe with her bisexual GF and I did not have an opportunity to see her on my last visit in Oct / Nov 2022. But she is back in SP now and I am pretty sure we will get together again in May.
So, I finally went to Gauguin Club one time in Nov, 2022. But it was on the night of some national holiday or something and there were only a few girls out and about anywhere. My story that night starts at Bomboa where I had prearranged to hook up with another favorite repeat girl early. Rafaela was taking the bus later that night to RJ to be with her mother and daughter over the holiday weekend. She was waiting for me at a table when I arrived. It was early, but I noticed there were less than 10 girls hanging around the entire first floor and even fewer customers. I had never seen Bomboa so quiet.
Anyway, Rafaela and I had a Gin Tropical and then we went upstairs. Afterward boom boom we had a light dinner together and then she gathered her stuff and headed for the bus terminal. I hung around Bomboa a while, but the place was dead and I got bored, so I paid my tab and left. But while I was waiting outside for my Uber ride, I noticed there were 2 girls standing outside discussing what to do. They smiled at me. I smiled back so we began conversing. We agreed that Bomboa was dead and I asked the girls where they were going. One of them said they were thinking of going to Gauguin Club to see if it was livelier over there. I told the girls I was heading to the Gran Estanplaza Berrini Hotel which is right across the street from Gauguin and I could give them a ride if they wanted.
So long story short, the 3 of us headed over to Gauguin in the back seat of my Uber. I have to admit that I got a little frisky with the girls and they me, but I parted with them at the Gauguin's front desk. The entry fee and drinks are priced similar to Casarao. Everybody was very friendly. After registering at the front desk I walked thru the doors to the main bar area which was a large cavernous 2 story space with a long bar running down one side and a stage on the other side. There were maybe 5 or 6 girls sitting at the bar and counting the 2 girls I just came with, there were approximately 8 girls, no more than 10 in the entire place. But I was not expecting much since it was a holiday and I had just seen how low on girls Bomboa was that night. Thus, I took that into consideration and I did not hold it against the bar. But the bar room was very dark. I mean VERY DARK and I could not make out the faces of girls sitting 10 feet away from me at the bar. I ordered a drink and a couple of girls came over to see if I wanted company. Even close up it was not easy to get a good determining look, but I was pretty sure these two were not for me. KKK.
Eventually I noticed the girls that I had arrived with had taken care of their business and had entered the bar. I meandered over to where they were sitting, sat down with them, and sipped my drink. The girls were cool and did not hit me up for a drink. For a second or two I contemplated taking them up to my hotel room across the street, since they were the best looking girls currently in the joint, but I quickly decided they were a little sub-par and not for me. So, I said bye bye, went to the front desk and paid my tab.
The girl at the front desk apologized and said things were slow tonight but I should come back another night. I said I would, but I have not returned yet. One of these days I will go back just to make sure about this place. What I know already is that Gauguin is definitely not an upscale club. KKK. The question is, however, is this honky tonk a viable pick up joint ie a smaller version of Casarua or not. I will find out in May.
As I said, you have to have WIFI. As everyone knows, it is not always available. Your #2 went over my head because you can download maps for offline use so you don't need WIFI or mobile data. Most of my girl calling happens over WhatsApp anyway. I guess I should not assume it is the same for everyone else.
I used to rely on Wi-Fi but some bad experiences:
1. Almost missed hooking up with my Campinas boate girl in London because London City Wi-Fi was out. That would have been a disaster.
2. Navigating Incall in London. You can start directions at your hotel and they still work disconnected. But if one thing goes wrong you are fucked.
3. Same thing trying to find this tiny unmarked massage place in Berlin. Hopping into cafes and trying to get signal. A nightmare.
$70/ month is a total steal for as much as I see girls internationally.
I used to rely on Wi-Fi but some bad experiences:
1. Almost missed hooking up with my Campinas boate girl in London because London City Wi-Fi was out. That would have been a disaster.
2. Navigating Incall in London. You can start directions at your hotel and they still work disconnected. But if one thing goes wrong you are fucked.
3. Same thing trying to find this tiny unmarked massage place in Berlin. Hopping into cafes and trying to get signal. A nightmare.
$70/ month is a total steal for as much as I see girls internationally.I once had a strange situation with WhatsApp in Sao Paulo. I get dropped off at the girl's building. Radio silence. I start to worry that she blew off our appointment. The concierge didn't speak a word of English over the intercom. So there I am in Jardim Paulista standing on the sidewalk with Viagra kicking in. I decide to go to the lunch counter on the corner and have a drink, regroup. Another escort? Clinica perhaps.
Anyway, she WhatsApps me 30-40 minutes later and says the system was down. She's right because I couldn't get any responses from any other escorts nearby. Fortunately, her schedule was open that afternoon and we hooked up for two hours. She was a tall, gorgeous mulata (self-advertised). Great smile. I think she advertised "samba school style". I would love to see her in a samba outfit.
After a couple years of fantastic Gpguia reviews, she disappeared shortly after our appointment. I'm guessing she went to Europe to work as she had done before or she became a sugar baby.
So besides noting the Whatsapp issue, I'm noting you can find great escorts in SP if you put in the time to do some research.
My photos make her look thicker than she really was. She had an amazing slim waist.
Yes, 3 or 4 times before pandemics the country got stopped because of Whatsapp interruption service. A brazilian telecom company made a demand against whatsapp arguing it was a unlawful contestant of telephony service and Judges declared it a funded demand.
I didn't notice any interruption last November-December.
* Nice morena you fucked!!
I once had a strange situation with WhatsApp in Sao Paulo. I get dropped off at the girl's building. Radio silence. I start to worry that she blew off our appointment. The concierge didn't speak a word of English over the intercom. So there I am in Jardim Paulista standing on the sidewalk with Viagra kicking in. I decide to go to the lunch counter on the corner and have a drink, regroup. Another escort? Clinica perhaps.
It's pretty far from the city center but my favorite Sao Paulo restaurant currently is in the same area so I decided to check it out.
The outside parking area is similar to Cafe Photo. Inside is a pool theme setup. It's similar to the outside patio of Scandallo but there is a pool in the middle. A huge screen TV by the pool with a football match playing. It has one bar open when I was there. It's not a large place but it felt pretty nice.
I went on a slow night late. There wasn't many girls or customers. Most girls dressed very slutty in tight hooker dress that screamed hooker. This I don't like, It reminded me of the seedy red light area in Medellin. LOL Girl quality varies, I think I saw two that I had no problem taking.
I took one who has a slender body with proportion like a model. I considered her one of the hottest girls I have known in Sao Paulo. She said she was new and stayed in the room provided by the club. Her rate was 300 for 30 minutes and 450 for an hour. The room was 120 for an hour. She is a good kisser, but the session was rushed. I was tired of telling her we had one hour and what to do so I finished while I could. I was struggling sex with condom a little bit as she didn't make effort to keep me aroused, and I had not used condom for a while. This reminded me of Scandallo. Despite how much I had to pay, never a bad session there.
There are street girls right outside the club. I did not talk to them but I saw them when I arrived and when I left. The quality is not good.
I go to a restaurants not far away regularly. I might come again since I am already out in the same area.
I did my best to gather information.
Room: 120/ HR. The room quality is about the same as Moema clinica but with mirrors on the ceiling and on the wall.
Cover: 60 before 7 PM, 120 after 10 PM. It is open everyday
Happy Hour:
If you take a girl before 10 PM. It's 249 all in, that includes the room, the cost of the girl and the cover. I think this is a good deal. Keep in mind, if you take the girl after 10 PM, then this does not apply.
Location: google Caster Club Sao Paulo
Some sample drink price attached.
Axel Heyst
03-03-23, 18:42
It's pretty far from the city center but my favorite Sao Paulo restaurant currently is in the same area so I decided to check it out.
It has one bar open when I was there. It's not a large place but it felt pretty nice.
I went on a slow night late. There wasn't many girls or customers. Most girls dressed very slutty in tight hooker dress that screamed hooker.
I took one who has a slender body with proportion like a model. I considered her one of the hottest girls I have known in Sao Paulo. She said she was new and stayed in the room provided by the club. Her rate was 300 for 30 minutes and 450 for an hour. The room was 120 for an hour. She is a good kisser, but the session was rushed. I was tired of telling her we had one hour and what to do so I finished while I could. I was struggling sex with condom a little bit as she didn't make effort to keep me aroused, and I had not used condom for a while. This reminded me of Scandallo. Despite how much I had to pay, never a bad session there.Thank you for posting this report. I always like hearing about Boates that I have never been to. Too bad about your girl's lack of enthusiasm performance. I guess it can happen even in SP. KKK. But it is a long fucking trek out there. It's out past Connection! The girls should be raring to go a round. Oh well. So, what is the name of the restaurant nearby that is one of your favorites?
Looks nice and half the way to the airport, red line of the metro and very convenient for a pit stop scale in Sao Paulo.
If the club is paying her apt, may be they are bringing talent from the interior.
It's pretty far from the city center but my favorite Sao Paulo restaurant currently is in the same area so I decided to check it out.
The outside parking area is similar to Cafe Photo. Inside is a pool theme setup. It's similar to the outside patio of Scandallo but there is a pool in the middle. A huge screen TV by the pool with a football match playing. It has one bar open when I was there. It's not a large place but it felt pretty nice.
Has anyone figured out why it's so hard to get a SIM card for non Brazilians. Mexico is so easy. Get a number for your trip at oxxo and discard it when you leave. No trace you existed.
SamaRiding
03-04-23, 00:32
I did my best to gather information.
Room: 120/ HR. The room quality is about the same as Moema clinica but with mirrors on the ceiling and on the wall.
Cover: 60 before 7 PM, 120 after 10 PM. It is open everyday
Happy Hour:
If you take a girl before 10 PM. It's 249 all in, that includes the room, the cost of the girl and the cover. I think this is a good deal. Keep in mind, if you take the girl after 10 PM, then this does not apply.
Location: google Caster Club Sao Paulo
Some sample drink price attached.Interesting find. It's close to (at least in the same direction as) as connection boate and hope spa clinica. So next time, may be worth a field trip. The happy hour deal would be great if the hot girls are there before 10 p. On google tracker, looks like a late night place and busy until the morning. Thanks.
The Critic
03-04-23, 02:30
It's pretty far from the city center but my favorite Sao Paulo restaurant currently is in the same area so I decided to check it out.
Location: google Caster Club Sao PauloThanks for taking the time to venture to a seldom mentioned Boate and post your experience. It's refreshing to be able to add an additional Boate to the already established SP list.
Hope you get a better performer on your next visit.
What's the name of the favorite restaurant you mentioned in your post? (You can PM me if you don't want to broadcast/post)
.... Too bad about your girl's lack of enthusiasm performance. I guess it can happen even in SP. KKK..., what is the name of the restaurant nearby that is one of your favorites?I was just trying to check out the place and not hoping for anything. I took her because she was exactly what I like in appearance. I kind of knew before hand she might not be good but I wanted to check out the room. LOL.
...What's the name of the favorite restaurant you mentioned in your post?...Google mocoto sao paulo. It should come up. The restaurant is very well known otherwise I would not have known. You will like this place if you like tripes, pork knukle, and cow foot type of food. They take the traditional food to another level in ingredient selection, process and cooking. I instantly could tell on my first bite. It's the same dish I had elsewhere just far better. If you don't like the ingredients that I listed. You could try dishes like carne de sol that is sun dried meat. The price is very reasonable. It's less than are $150 for one person but Uber is going to cost you.
Axel Heyst
03-04-23, 04:08
The restaurant is very well known otherwise I would not have known. Google mocoto sao paulo, it should come up. You will like this place if you like tripes, pork knukle, and cow foot type of food. They take the traditional food to another level in ingredient selection, process and cooking. I instantly could tell on my first bite. It's the same dish I had elsewhere just far better. If you don't like the ingredients that I listed. You could try carne de sol that is sun dried meat. The price is very reasonable. It's less than are $150 for one person but Uber is going to cost you.Yeah, I heard about this restaurant. Anthony Bourdain raved about it on one of his SP episodes. Never been there, but I think it would be a good to have a bite at Mocoto and then hit up Caster Club and / or Connection.
The Critic
03-04-23, 04:19
I was just trying to check out the place and not hoping for anything. I took her because she was exactly what I like in appearance. I kind of knew before hand she might not be good but I wanted to check out the room. LOL.
Google mocoto sao paulo. It should come up. The restaurant is very well known otherwise I would not have known. You will like this place if you like tripes, pork knukle, and cow foot type of food. They take the traditional food to another level in ingredient selection, process and cooking. I instantly could tell on my first bite. It's the same dish I had elsewhere just far better. If you don't like the ingredients that I listed. You could try dishes like carne de sol that is sun dried meat. The price is very reasonable. It's less than are $150 for one person but Uber is going to cost you.Thanks, I looked at the menu, I just wish I could match menu items against the photos. Since some things look appetizing versus the menu description. Looks like restaurant has won some prestigious culinary listings and awards. Looks like a restaurant to check out if I'm in that area on next trip! Thanks Again!!
Has anyone figured out why it's so hard to get a SIM card for non Brazilians. Mexico is so easy. Get a number for your trip at oxxo and discard it when you leave. No trace you existed.For a Brazilian SIM card the law requires a CPF which is a Brazil taxpayer and identity number. When you buy a SIM from a tourist-friendly phone shop (or a friendly newsagent willing to help you out) they will generally use their own CPF to activate it.
Basically any CPF will work, it's just for purchase, not usage.
Google mocoto sao paulo. It should come up. The restaurant is very well known otherwise I would not have known. You will like this place if you like tripes, pork knukle, and cow foot type of food. They take the traditional food to another level in ingredient selection, process and cooking. I instantly could tell on my first bite. It's the same dish I had elsewhere just far better. If you don't like the ingredients that I listed. You could try dishes like carne de sol that is sun dried meat. The price is very reasonable. It's less than are $150 for one person but Uber is going to cost you.Both the girls I was with on my last trip suggested this place. But I wasn't interested in spending 45 mins in traffic each way. It might be a good option if I am coming in from GRU or going to GRU.
Has anyone figured out why it's so hard to get a SIM card for non Brazilians. Mexico is so easy. Get a number for your trip at oxxo and discard it when you leave. No trace you existed.I was able to get a Claro sim card with only my US passport at the Frei Caneca Mall in Sao Paulo 3 weeks ago. It was a pain, as for some reason they couldn't process my credit card and wouldn't take cash. We had to go next door to the Pharmacia to process the payment? The pharmacia woulnd't take credit card so I had to pay in cash. I just accepted the whole process as the Brazilian way. LOL I paid R110 for 14 GB data good for one month. This left me with R68 in credits to recharge again next month.
The contract doesn't have CPF number on it nor my passport number. Blank fields. Currently in Rio bad has worked great so far.
Google mocoto sao paulo. It should come up. The restaurant is very well known otherwise I would not have known. You will like this place if you like tripes, pork knukle, and cow foot type of food. They take the traditional food to another level in ingredient selection, process and cooking. I instantly could tell on my first bite. It's the same dish I had elsewhere just far better. If you don't like the ingredients that I listed. You could try dishes like carne de sol that is sun dried meat. The price is very reasonable. It's less than are $150 for one person but Uber is going to cost you.Anthony Bourdain raved about the place: "Mocotó is the ultimate in broke-ass, drunk-ass peasant food. ".
Hello everyone,
I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.
CW.
... We had to go next door to the Pharmacia to process the payment? The pharmacia woulnd't take credit card so I had to pay in cash. ....I think they took you to pharmacia to get the prepaid plan. They usually don't sell it at their own store.
Thanks, I looked at the menu, I just wish I could match menu items against the photos. Since some things look appetizing versus the menu description. Looks like restaurant has won some prestigious culinary listings and awards. Looks like a restaurant to check out if I'm in that area on next trip! Thanks Again!!I usually show pictures to the waiter for them to point out the menu item. On the street, I would start taking pictures first. I show the picture of what I want to the vendor after I know what they serve.
Hello everyone,
I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated..I imagine if your hygiene is good and don't look like Charles Manson you will be fine.
Axel Heyst
03-05-23, 18:26
Hello everyone,
I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.
CW.No worries mate. The girls will love you as long as your hygiene is decent, as TjBrazil points out, you are not slovenly or physically gross and you are a friendly guy. When a girl asks me how old I am I just say 50. It's no big deal and I have been saying I am 50 for at least the last 15 years. KKK. One of the most positive things about this little sport of ours is that it gives guys like us a strong incentive to take care of themselves and to stay in shape. Mongering is good for your health.
I imagine if your hygiene is good and don't look like Charles Manson you will be fine.
Hello everyone,
I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.
CW.I am in good shape and in my mid 70's. I have been to Scandalo on three occasions and had no problems with being rejected. I had numerous garotas approach me during each visit.
At Scandallo, look is absolutely worthless compared money. Girls go there for money, not for looks. If they want looks. They would be going somewhere else. Just dress decent and youll be OK.
Hello everyone,
I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.
CW.
At Scandallo, look is absolutely worthless compared money. Girls go there for money, not for looks. If they want looks. They would be going somewhere else. Just dress decent and youll be OK.Yes, that's true. However, I would still tell a foreigner in his 40's with decent looks that some of the women will be extra attentive.
I was able to get a Claro sim card with only my US passport at the Frei Caneca Mall in Sao Paulo 3 weeks ago. It was a pain, as for some reason they couldn't process my credit card and wouldn't take cash. We had to go next door to the Pharmacia to process the payment? The pharmacia woulnd't take credit card so I had to pay in cash. I just accepted the whole process as the Brazilian way. LOL I paid R110 for 14 GB data good for one month. This left me with R68 in credits to recharge again next month.
The contract doesn't have CPF number on it nor my passport number. Blank fields. Currently in Rio bad has worked great so far.Are you saying if I go to a pharmacy, I can buy a SIM card and activate with no Brazil social security number.
Steve 9696
03-06-23, 03:09
. One of the most positive things about this little sport of ours is that it gives guys like us a strong incentive to take care of themselves and to stay in shape. Mongering is good for your health.This is so true. I am in astoundingly better shape than I was at 45. Why? One reason only. Girls! If I'm going to date 23 year olds on a regular basis (given some incentive) then I better bring my A game. And I do. Well. Maybe a B+. 😆.
SocratesNY
03-06-23, 04:26
Google mocoto sao paulo. It should come up. The restaurant is very well known otherwise I would not have known. You will like this place if you like tripes, pork knukle, and cow foot type of food. They take the traditional food to another level in ingredient selection, process and cooking. I instantly could tell on my first bite. It's the same dish I had elsewhere just far better. If you don't like the ingredients that I listed. You could try dishes like carne de sol that is sun dried meat. The price is very reasonable. It's less than are $150 for one person but Uber is going to cost you.Thanks for the review. I've been wanting to go here during my past few trips after lots of folks recommend the place. But I never bothered as I didn't want to bother with a 1. 5 to 2 HR RT Uber for a meal. And SP has tons of amazing places to eat at.
I usually arrive in SP in the early morning so stopping by from GRU to the hotel would require a 2 HR wait, which I wouldn't tolerate. I also don't want to waste my last few hours of fun at SP at a restaurant before my night time departures. However, my trip next week has a later flight arrival time so plan to drop by for lunch when they open.
I do plan to check out the Carne de Sol and order a tons of stuff and just try a bit of everything. The pricing is pretty low for a Michelin star restaurant as well.
The Critic
03-06-23, 08:16
Hello everyone,I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.
CW.
No worries mate. The girls will love you as long as your hygiene is decent, as TjBrazil (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2795160&viewfull=1#post2795160) points out, you are not slovenly or physically gross and you are a friendly guy. One of the most positive things about this little sport of ours is that it gives guys like us a strong incentive to take care of themselves and to stay in shape. Mongering is good for your health.All good reply's to CanadaWet. However, I would say Scandallo girls are after the "Look of Money" not physical looks!! LOL! You will be fine every time I visited there were always a "Few Good Aged Men" having fun. So go and enjoy and report back your experience.
All good reply's to CanadaWet. However, I would say Scandallo girls are after the "Look of Money" not physical looks!! LOL! You will be fine every time I visited there were always a "Few Good Aged Men" having fun. So go and enjoy and report back your experience.Thanks everyone for your feedback. That is great news, all lights are go. I will book a flight.
15 years ago I used to frequent 4 x4 and Helpe. From what I gather Scandalo is the closest thing in Brazil today to what Helpe was 15 years ago. Will report back after my trip.
Are you saying if I go to a pharmacy, I can buy a SIM card and activate with no Brazil social security number.I was at the Claro store in that mall and they processed the payment at the pharmacia. Have no idea why. But just went along with it. The contract doesn't show my passport number or any CPF number.
I am in good shape and in my mid 70's. I have been to Scandalo on three occasions and had no problems with being rejected. I had numerous garotas approach me during each visit.That's a plus in Brazil. Try that in Thailand now. In Thailand your rejection rate because of age and race might be high as 80%. In Brazil all girls in a venue are ready to talk business with any male customer. In other words, if a club lets a customer in, the customer is good enough, period.
Hello everyone,
I was once an active senior member, but changed my handle and lost my status. I used to hobby in Rio 15 years ago. I'm now thinking of taking a trip to Sao Paulo for first time. But I'm now 60 years old. Scandalo sounds good, but I'm wondering if the hot younger women there will go out with an older dude? This dude can pay the higher-end prices. Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.
CW.I am 65 and have sp girlfriends that want to keep touch from 19 to 40. I do make sure I am clean, do not use any smelly stuff and treat them nice. I do not give out extravagant money but will help where I can. Last trip I took down a few nice back packs and gave them. They really liked that. My first wingman there was 70 and he was really loved.
Point is sp women appear to honestly like and revere older american men. In the good ole USA I am invisible.
That's a plus in Brazil. Try that in Thailand now. In Thailand your rejection rate because of age and race might be high as 80%. In Brazil all girls in a venue are ready to talk business with any male customer. In other words, if a club lets a customer in, the customer is good enough, period.80% is high. Remember these girls love money. He may just have to pay more than the younger and Asian blokes.
I am 65 and have sp girlfriends that want to keep touch from 19 to 40. I do make sure I am clean, do not use any smelly stuff and treat them nice. I do not give out extravagant money but will help where I can. Last trip I took down a few nice back packs and gave them. They really liked that. My first wingman there was 70 and he was really loved.
Point is sp women appear to honestly like and revere older american men. In the good ole USA I am invisible.Exactly! Especially the part about the good ole USA, LOL.
These SA girls appreciate guys of any age, shape, color and size if they are nice to them.
Cleanliness plays a big part as well, and generosity never hurts, LOL.
What is the dress code to enter boates? A friend who has been to SP few months ago told me a blazer is necessary to get in.
Also, is tipping normal in restaurants and to girls in clinicas and boates girls?
I'll be in SP for the week. I have a pretty extensive list of fun thanks to this board. What else is there to do in SP besides leave my DNA all over the place?
RonhinCruz
03-08-23, 02:17
I am coming to SP for only the second time. The first time was for a job interview and I only got a couple Clínicas in (Abbabora and Tangara. Reports in the forum from a few years ago). This time I have a bit more time and freedom. I am planning my first trip to Scandallo on Thursday night. I am trying to decide if I try Casarao or Bamboa for Friday night. I plan to go back to Abbabora on Thursday because I had one of the best experiences there. Cutest girl I have ever done. I am staying a little north and was considering trying a clinica in Pompeia. Aneesh or another. Anyone try one up there?
Then I am off to Camboriu and Floripa etc. That looks a little less convenient except for online from what I can tell and I am travelling with someone who may not be up for that sort of fun. But if you have recommendations for that area I would be appreciative just in case. I need outcall or clinica style. I look forward to reporting back.
I'll be in SP for the week. I have a pretty extensive list of fun thanks to this board. What else is there to do in SP besides leave my DNA all over the place?I would recommend brazilian food such as Churrascaria like Barbacoa or Fogo do chao. Barbacoa is located in Itaim Biti, great area to stay and there may restaurant tne shops. Fogo to chao, you can find in may places in SP. The way it works is like this. You get a seat and you have a card / plat with Green and Red color in the back. You use it to indicate you want to be serve with meats as the staff keep bringing different type of part of the meats. If it is Green, then they will offer it, but when you want to pause and digest what you already have, you turn it to Red so they don't bother you offering more.
The price is not that expensive but not cheat. If you meet some girls, you may propose having a dinner on those places, and then enjoy the time together. That experience may help you be more close to the girl and then you get GFE experience.
Have fun!
What is the dress code to enter boates? A friend who has been to SP few months ago told me a blazer is necessary to get in.
Also, is tipping normal in restaurants and to girls in clinicas and boates girls?Nope. You definitely don't need a blazer. A pair of nice jeans and a nice polo shirt is good enough. I think being clean and smelling good is more important. Some restaurants charge a service charge so you don't need to tip unless the service was amazing. If the restaurant doesn’t add a service charge, then 10-15% is more than enough. Tipping the girls is your choice after the deed. Please do not tip the girls for just sitting and talking.
Tipping the girls is your choice after the deed. Please do not tip the girls for just sitting and talking.Yeah one time I was sitting at a table in the nightclub and two hotties stopped by to talk to me. We exchanged pleasantries and all that and had a short conversation, after which time they requested a tip for the both of them! I was like no way, and they feigned surprise. Got to be kidding me right I was thinking! Here's a "tip" for you. GTFOH! That's only happened to me once at Scandallo. Maybe they thought because I was a gringo they could get something for much of nothing. Think again! Be cool and I like you and we're vibing and I might buy you a drink as a precursor to going to the room. But you won't be getting any tips (other than being told where to go) for granting me the pleasure of a short conversation with you.
Cafajeste2023
03-08-23, 15:18
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Tipping for nothing, NO.
I do purchase girl's underwear.
"I want to buy your thong. What about R50 ?" (and sometimes more).
It's funny to see them making the math "my thong costs R10 . Or R50" .
I touched so many clits under the tables after purchasing girl's underwear. In Brasil, Chile, Colombia. Etc etc.
If the girl is going to perform something out of the script, a tip is up to you. I don't know, maybe a challenge like "go dance with that girl and kiss her in the mouth" (that's a very interesting game by the way).
A tip for just talking, NO.
* purchased underwear in the background.
Yeah one time I was sitting at a table in the nightclub and two hotties stopped by to talk to me. We exchanged pleasantries and all that and had a short conversation, after which time they requested a tip for the both of them! I was like no way, and they feigned surprise. Got to be kidding me right I was thinking! Here's a "tip" for you. GTFOH!
Axel Heyst
03-08-23, 16:46
Tipping the girls is your choice after the deed. Please do not tip the girls for just sitting and talking.Anaggie, I have never tipped a Boate, Clinica, or Terma girl. When I first started visiting Brazil, I was prepared to tip my girls who performed well, but none of them asked for tip let alone acted like such a strange custom even existed, so I quickly realized that Brazil is not a tipping culture. And since we are visitors to this bountiful feast, the last thing any of us should do is act differently than the locals and call attention to ourselves. Local men tolerate our presence in their bordellos. We should not do anything to make our presence at these establishments unwelcome. This is why I strongly come down on the no tipping side.
Yeah, one time I was sitting at a table in the nightclub and two hotties stopped by to talk to me. We exchanged pleasantries and all that and had a short conversation, after which time they requested a tip for the both of them! I was like no way, and they feigned surprise. Got to be kidding me right I was thinking! Here's a "tip" for you. GTFOH! That's only happened to me once at Scandallo. Maybe they thought because I was a gringo they could get something for much of nothing. Think again! Be cool and I like you and we're vibing and I might buy you a drink as a precursor to going to the room. But you won't be getting any tips (other than being told where to go) for granting me the pleasure of a short conversation with you.Like I said, I have never had a Brazilian girl straight out ask for a tip, a money tip, but a small minority of girls have tried to get more from me than what was agreed to.
1. Pay in Advance: this has been tried on me occasionally by some escorts. I always refuse, but I have been willing to show the girl my money and even place the $$$ on a table saying this is yours afterwards. I have only had 2 girls walk out. I am glad they did. KKK.
2. The Upsell: yeah, this has been tried on me occasionally. 2 a) A girl will offer anal for 100 BR more or something like that. I usually say no, but the one time I said yes, holly fuck! The girl had the best asshole I have had. KKK. 2 b) More $$$ for BBFS. This upsell is hard to say no too. In fact, I am the one who usually asks for it.
3. Girl asks for a non-monetary form of a tip after boom boom. One version of this technique has been tried on me by 2 Scandallo girls. The set up goes like this: as we are leaving the room the girl asks if I will buy her dinner for later. Ha Ha. This move offends me. It is one thing if I invite a girl to have dinner or a drink with me after a session because I like her and enjoy her company, but it is quite different when the girl brings it up and even worse if she is not asking to have dinner with me but is asking me to pay for her dinner that she will have later. It is unbelievable and I always say no.
4. But what I don't mind is buying drinks for my girls while we are getting acquainted in the bar or fooling around in the room. I consider these additional expenditures part of having a good time. I also go along with small requests like for a pack of cigarettes or a vape, but only with girls I know and like. Then sometimes the girls have a surprise gift for me. I have never turned down a girl's offer to smoke a joint before we get it on. KKK.
Anaggie, I have never tipped a Boate, Clinica, or Terma girl. When I first started visiting Brazil, I was prepared to tip my girls who performed well, but none of them asked for tip let alone acted like such a strange custom even existed, so I quickly realized that Brazil is not a tipping culture. And since we are visitors to this bountiful feast, the last thing any of us should do is act differently than the locals and call attention to ourselves. Local men tolerate our presence in their bordellos. We should not do anything to make our presence at these establishments unwelcome. This is why I strongly come down on the no tipping side.
I also have never tipped a girl in Brazil at the club or afterwards. I always pay what we agreed upon. That is why I said "your choice" after the deed. Everyone is different and behaves differently in situations. I always tip 10% in the restaurants if there isn't a service charge already added. But if the service is over the top, then I tip a bit more. I don't care what the locals might think or not since this is "my choice".
Asking for "dinner for later" is a form of a tip — they think they performed well and deserve it. It is your choice if you want to buy it or not. Some might. Some might not. If I am hungry after the fact, I might entertain it.
I would recommend brazilian food such as Churrascaria like Barbacoa or Fogo do chao. Barbacoa is located in Itaim Biti, great area to stay and there may restaurant tne shops. Fogo to chao, you can find in may places in SP. The way it works is like this. You get a seat and you have a card / plat with Green and Red color in the back. You use it to indicate you want to be serve with meats as the staff keep bringing different type of part of the meats. If it is Green, then they will offer it, but when you want to pause and digest what you already have, you turn it to Red so they don't bother you offering more.
The price is not that expensive but not cheat. If you meet some girls, you may propose having a dinner on those places, and then enjoy the time together. That experience may help you be more close to the girl and then you get GFE experience.
Have fun!I appreciate this info thank you. I will add it to the list of restaurants to check out.
SamaRiding
03-09-23, 02:39
I also have never tipped a girl in Brazil at the club or afterwards. I always pay what we agreed upon. That is why I said "your choice" after the deed. Everyone is different and behaves differently in situations. Agree. The only times I have tipped girls in SP is for BBFS. Most of these times the girls just do it without asking for a tip or us discussing it beforehand. It was my choice to tip and show my appreciation and let the girls know what can be expected if we repeat and she goes the extra mile.
SamaRiding
03-09-23, 03:09
I would recommend brazilian food such as Churrascaria like Barbacoa or fogo de Chao. If you meet some girls, you may propose having a dinner on those places, and then enjoy the time together. That experience may help you be more close to the girl and then you get GFE experience.
Have fun!Churrascaria is better with a group. On one of my first trip to SP, I wanted to try fogo de Chao on my last day before I flew out. So I ask a Scandallo girl, who I had one room before, if she wanted to go. I told her I'll pay for the dinner, and nothing else since I was going straight to the airport, so no sex. She asked if she bring a scandallo friend. I said sure. It was fabulous fun, 2 hot scandallo girls and me. They got so drunk. It did cost money, but its my nature to buy dinner and drinks for my friends in states, so I didn't mind. On future trips I would always hit up the first girl, it became our thing to do a dinner date and sex for the cost of one hour. She mentioned she wanted to do weekend trips to beach but she left to work in Europe and Dubai before we could. Sadly our paths haven't cross since.
SamaRiding
03-09-23, 05:15
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazil-resume-visa-requirements-us-japan-australia-canada-sources-2023-03-08/
I also have never tipped a girl in Brazil at the club or afterwards. I always pay what we agreed upon. That is why I said "your choice" after the deed. Everyone is different and behaves differently in situations. I always tip 10% in the restaurants if there isn't a service charge already added. But if the service is over the top, then I tip a bit more. I don't care what the locals might think or not since this is "my choice".
Asking for "dinner for later" is a form of a tip they think they performed well and deserve it. It is your choice if you want to buy it or not. Some might. Some might not. If I am hungry after the fact, I might entertain it.I can't recall ever being asked for a tip by a provider in Brazil. I have found that the girls who ask for tips usually provide the lamest service. In the DR and Europe they ask "You give me tips?" No way baby.
I appreciate this info thank you. I will add it to the list of restaurants to check out.It's all you can eat so keep that in mind.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazil-resume-visa-requirements-us-japan-australia-canada-sources-2023-03-08/That is rather annoying, but at least I still have a visa that has plenty of years of validity left on it before expiration.
Axel Heyst
03-09-23, 15:52
I would recommend brazilian food such as Churrascaria like Barbacoa or Fogo do chao. Barbacoa is located in Itaim Biti, great area to stay and there may restaurant tne shops. Fogo to chao, you can find in many places in SP.!This is a good recommendation. Everyone should try a few Churrascarias when they come to Brazil. Personally, I prefer Barbacoa over Fogo do Chao. I also prefer steak houses over a Churrascarias because I tend to eat too much in a Churrascaria. So, I like to order one particular cut of meat and see it there on the plate in front of me along with any sides I choose to order. It is more civilized, and I know when to stop. KKK. SP has a lot of great steak houses including a Barbacoa steak house (not Churrascaria style) located in the Nações Unidas Shopping mall. Other great steak houses include Rodeio, Figueira Rubaiyat (not only for steaks), and Pobre Juan. Eat hardy!
That is rather annoying, but at least I still have a visa that has plenty of years of validity left on it before expiration.In the past, it was kind of a minor nuisance if you lived in a city with a Brazilian consulate. They would turn visas around in 24 hours. They would even let you bring in your friends' passports. The lady at the consulate window must have frequently seen guys drop off passports for an all-male crew. Fucking taxes! I mean that both ways it can be interpreted. LOL.
This quote from the article made me chuckle "Brazilian government studies also showed the impact on tourism numbers was minimal, though the arrival of the COVID-19 pandemic may have also limited a potential boost. " Yeah, you think?
It's all you can eat so keep that in mind.If one has never been to a churrascaria, it can be overwhelming particularly Fogo de Chão and Barbacoa. I want to try everything. With advancing years, this now becomes my one main meal of the day and I have to do churrascaria earlier in the evening or a late lunch.
I personally cannot have sex within a few hours of indulging.
Churrascaria is better with a group. On one of my first trip to SP, I wanted to try fogo de Chao on my last day before I flew out. So I ask a Scandallo girl, who I had one room before, if she wanted to go. I told her I'll pay for the dinner, and nothing else since I was going straight to the airport, so no sex. She asked if she bring a scandallo friend. I said sure. It was fabulous fun, 2 hot scandallo girls and me. They got so drunk. It did cost money, but its my nature to buy dinner and drinks for my friends in states, so I didn't mind. On future trips I would always hit up the first girl, it became our thing to do a dinner date and sex for the cost of one hour. She mentioned she wanted to do weekend trips to beach but she left to work in Europe and Dubai before we could. Sadly our paths haven't cross since.If you are once in zona leste I recommend Garzon 33 and Boizao Grill. Not as high-end as Fogo do Chao but each with their own special atmosphere.
This article says the new visa restrictions will begin to be implemented on October 1, 2023.
https://g1.globo.com/politica/blog/julia-duailibi/post/2023/03/09/exigencia-de-visto-para-eua-canada-australia-e-japao-vai-comecar-em-1-de-outubro.ghtml
Steve 9696
03-10-23, 15:34
The summary is that Scandallo still rules for more beautiful women for the taking than anywhere else on the planet. But the remodeled Casarao is a close second IMO and in some ways I like it better.
I am traveling with my friend Michael who is a bit on the shy side and speaks no Portuguese so I am taking point. We start at 57 Friends Club which some folks had nice things to say about. It was pretty early like 930 or 10 PM and pretty empty.
Facility was actually nicer than I expected. But only 3-4 girls when we arrived and then maybe 3-4 more coming while we enjoyed our Caipirinhas. The girls were all moderately pretty and slim enough — and if I didn't know of better venues I'm sure I could have taken a girl and been happy. But the vibe was all just a bit too chill and slow for us.
Would recommend if you want something quick and easy — have a beer and fuck a girl. Prob a pretty good choice for that agenda. We were however looking for hours of hanging with the hotties, so after one drink we bounced to Scandalo. Total damage at 57 Friends House was 110 R (about $20) for both of us together. So super reasonable. When I was fishing for a small bill at the checkout, the guy said don't worry about it and took 100 R even. Classy! Seems like a solid choice for a chill in and out experience.
Scandallo is still mega. The main club was hopping. And this time the massive back patio was full also. We estimated 200-250 girls in the club and a 4 to 1 ratio of girls to guys from 11 PM-5 AM with a lull where it went more 1:1 maybe around 2 am or so (hotties snapped up). So a truly amazing target rich environment.
Quickly ran into a girl I fucked a year ago who was too pro for my taste and eventually extricated ourselves. We spent literally the first couple hours just scoping and drinking. I could have gone with one of any 5-10 girls at any time and I am super picky at a venue like this.
Had seen a really built cutie in a turquoise halter and tight mini earlier — really pretty face and cute braces. Lost track of her for a while but eventually circled back and sealed the deal. 1000 R.
We had a really nice time in the room but only light kissing. Solid BBBJ. Sex in all varieties I prefer and a nice girlfriendy feel. Tits had man -made underpinnings but solid be cup on top so they actually felt pretty nice. An amazing Brasileira ass to pound in doggie. Super nice. Finally dropped my shot in RCG which was a great view with her classic brasileira bunda.
When I came back, Michael had snagged a real winner. We'the seen her earlier and spoke about her. I came back to find them making out really passionately in the club. I discussed her rate for Michael in Portuguese. Surprisingly she asked how much I want to pay and I said 700 thinking we'the negotiate but she said fine. They made out and we danced a three way sandwich — she was a fun party girl — and then off they went to the room. He reported it was epic.
I waited for them quite some time but eventually grabbed me another hottie. She was clearly late 20's or early 30's but acting sexy dancing and such and we hit it off. Again passionate kissing in the club sealed the deal and off we went. It was actually her first time there and she had to get directions on the procedure. So I was glad I could help her pop her Scandallo cherry!
In room was very passionate with lots of DFK and BBBJ. She has a tight little body and nice natural Bee cups. Great sex all around including Steve 2.
I was stunned to find that not only is she 33 she has a 19 year old son! Wtf? Wow. Great girl and a mom since she was 14. Who woulda guessed. Finally packed it in at 5 Am. That's the draw of Scandallo — you can hang and drink and browse and fuck in a luxe club and do it again and hang for 6 hrs. Not a bad night!
Next night we decided to hit Casarao which had favorable reviews of late. In the end, it gets a high recommend as well. We arrived early — it opens at 10 and we hit it right then. Pretty empty but maybe ten girls pretty quick and you could see the talent level would be fine. And by 11 it was 3/4 packed and got even more packed by 2 am.
Although the girl to guy ratio was more like 1:1 here there were tons of pretty girls. Surely over 100 at peak. Not quite Scandallo but damn fine and outclasses most all other venues I've been to. Super impressed. And girls are half Scandallo price and room less than half. What's not to like?
Michael and I sipped Jack and Coke and waited for things to get started and rolling. Prob around 11 or so two hotties approached and draped themselves on us. Mine was the ultimate sex pot with an amazing ass and a very aggressive hands on approach, whereas Michaels girl was much more demure.
My girl was super aggressive — in a good way — in the bar. Twerking on my dick. Grabbing with her hand from time to time. But highlight was I started feeling her tit and she took my hand and put it under her bra. And later both hands. OMG. She's backed into me, both hands under her bra on those amazing be cups and just fondling the crap out of them in the club. She also slipped down the front of her shorts to show me her cute thong then went farther with a pussy preview. OMG this girl is built — possibly best body ever. Nothing to improve. She wanted 500 R and I didn't argue (sure she would have gone for 400) and off we went.
In the room it's not as good because she's a bit pro. I was prepared for an optifuck but unfortunate to argue over BBBJ and lose. She gave a couple licks and on went the condom for a pretty good CBJ. Oh well. I optifucked her for a good long time in return. All the positions including the Steve and great doggie with that amazing butt. Finished in prone bone. Lots of nice mirrors in the room there added to it.
Michael reported his girl (also 500 R) was great. A real GFE kissing for 20 minutes straight. Also got CBJ tho. He was fairly smitten.
So after my optifuck we hung out a bit and drank and just watched the spectacle. It's packed by 1 or 2 for sure. Like wall to wall bodies both upstairs and downstairs. After a bit I thought what I need is a great BBBJ to end the night. So I started looking for maybe a second tier girl with nice lips who would agree to a CIM.
As luck would have it a girl with amazing double Dees slips into the booth with Michael and me and we chat a bit. She's not the cutest girl in the club but def very attractive and my type. We chat for a while and DFK a bit to test the waters. Very nice.
So emboldened by some drinks I go very direct and I key into the translator "I need the best blowjob in the world — with no condom and suck balls" and she enthusiastically agrees! And add "cum in mouth" to which she says "it is sweet!" And off we go. Was either 500 or 600 R.
The in room experience was everything I could ask for. Making out passionately from the start.
She hops on the bed standing and buries my face in her double Dees. I respond enthusiastically. Nice joint girlfriendy shower with plenty of dick soaping while kissing and off to the bed.
We did fuck in a few positions but the blowjob was epic. Musta blown me for 30 minutes straight. Telling me she loves to suck dick and clearly that is no lie. She is definitely enjoying herself and has amazing and varied technique. And then I got the overpowering urge to fuck her. So I did. And then back to BJ for the finish. OMG. It was heavenly and I shot a huge load in her mouth after an amazing long build. What a girl!
Ended up drinking with her and Michael for another 45 minutes or so. They do have a girl drink system where they give their card along with yours so they get credit. Those are presumably mor expensive but I wasn't keeping track. We bounce around 3 AM.
Summary: For pure eye candy, luxe club and quantity of girls nothing can touch Scandallo. But for a great experience that is well worth the price (about half) Casarao is tops. If I had five days in SP I'the def hit Scandallo once or twice but Casarao would be my new go to.
Finances: As previously reported, Scandallo cover has gone up to 500 but 300 is consumable. So only paid 550 at checkout which included a fair amount of drinking. Spent about 300 on drinks for me and girls at Casarao. Girls were close to 1000 each at Scandallo and 500 at Casarao. Room 250 at Scandallo and 50 or 100 at Casarao depending on time of night I think. So maybe spent close to 3000 R at Scandallo for 6 hrs and two girls. And 1600 at Casarao for 5 hrs and two girls. With Casarao now 80% as good as Scandallo at half the price it would become a real go to for me.
The Critic
03-10-23, 17:33
The summary is that Scandallo still rules for more beautiful women for the taking than anywhere else on the planet. But the remodeled Casarao is a close second IMO and in some ways I like it better.Thanks! Good Report with updated pricing.
SamaRiding
03-10-23, 18:24
I really like Casarao. Definitely more a party club atmosphere. You can also do 30 minutes or one hour with the girls. 30 minutes room charge is 50 r and one hour is 100 r. For most girls you be able to negotiate down to 400 r for one hour. Some girls like do CBJ so I always confirm with the girl beforehand. Usually bumping up to 500 r does the trick for BBBJ.
I really like Casarao. Definitely more a party club atmosphere. You can also do 30 minutes or one hour with the girls. 30 minutes room charge is 50 r and one hour is 100 r. For most girls you be able to negotiate down to 400 r for one hour. Some girls like do CBJ so I always confirm with the girl beforehand. Usually bumping up to 500 r does the trick for BBBJ.Yes, there's zero reason for ever being caught off guard over CBJs (or anything else). Ask about what you want and get that out of the way before you go to the room. Then enjoy!
Hey Steve, thanks for in-depth report. I'll be heading to SP for the first time in May and this report is exactly the kind of info I need if I want to experience the best of SP.
Summary: For pure eye candy, luxe club and quantity of girls nothing can touch Scandallo. But for a great experience that is well worth the price (about half) Casarao is tops. If I had five days in SP I'the def hit Scandallo once or twice but Casarao would be my new go to.
Finances: As previously reported, Scandallo cover has gone up to 500 but 300 is consumable. So only paid 550 at checkout which included a fair amount of drinking. Spent about 300 on drinks for me and girls at Casarao. Girls were close to 1000 each at Scandallo and 500 at Casarao. Room 250 at Scandallo and 50 or 100 at Casarao depending on time of night I think. So maybe spent close to 3000 R at Scandallo for 6 hrs and two girls. And 1600 at Casarao for 5 hrs and two girls. With Casarao now 80% as good as Scandallo at half the price it would become a real go to for me.
SamPeter71
03-11-23, 16:48
I will be passing theu Sao Paaulo and have a layover. Any good casa / brothels close to airport worth visiting?
Thanks in advance.
Scandallo is great, but everyone needs a little variety in his boate nightlife to keep things fresh. You should check out Bomboa, Casarao, Bahamas, and Cafe Photo in approximately that order. You will not be sorry you did.
Thank you for the informative post. A nice list of 3-4 clubs is exactly what I was looking for.
Another week in SP down, so felt like time to share of recent info.
Based on a recommendation from Axel I made two trips to Bomboas, and I'm very glad I did. Upon arriving at Bomboas a manager / host greeted me, and learning it was my first time gave me a tour of the club and thoroughly explained how everything works. They have R300 entry that is entirely consumable, and rooms are R190. You can pay the girls on a card, but there is a 20% surcharge. Then the host gives you a table and takes care of you for the night. He took my drink orders, and recommended girls. He told me the ones who spoke English, and asked if I wanted him to bring any of them over. On my second trip he also had some pass by so I could see if I like them. The first girl I slept with here was the best sex I've ever had in Sao Paulo, and that's saying a lot. She was passionate, intense, and just an all around great fuck. Nice girl to chat with too. At the end of the night your host takes you to the desk to settle your bill, and they do ask for a tip (10%, 15%, 20% If you paid the girl with a card that's a separate transaction, so you wouldn't be tipping on top of that. I gave him 20%, and as an American it was probably one of the few times when tipping I felt like someone earned every penny of it.
My second trip I saw the first girl again so I had to repeat, and after an incredibly satisfying experience I went back to the table to relax. I figured she might join me once she fixed her makeup and we'd chat and have a drink. I've found that at the high end clubs the girls don't need to see many clients to make their money, and so they're much more willing to hang out before, but also after the session. While I'm hanging out, a really cute 19 year old blonde walks past me and says Hi, and asks if I want company. I explain I just went upstairs, its late, and I think I'm done for the night. She basically said, "So what? Do you want company?" and she was way too cute for me to turn away twice. We sit and talk, mostly via Google translator, and share a drink. She is incredibly flirty, and between the chats we kiss, she dances a bit, and keeps rubbing my cock. At one point she actually gets talked to by the management for going too far. I don't understand Portuguese, but I could tell she was being pretty hostile with the managers about it. Apparently you can pay to have a girl do a public strip show, but she can't just hop on my lap and start grinding away. Again I need to commend the host here, he explained to me the rules and why they had to stop her. He also suggested in a friendly way that I might want to pass on her (he spoke perfect English, she did not). That said she was too hot, and after all the flirting I had to give her a try. Once I decided I wanted to fuck her and we talked price I honestly was not loving her attitude, and I actually did almost walk. Once she saw that she caved immediately, apologized, and off to the room we went. She gave me the best blowjob I've had all trip, but then would only fuck in missionary. Very confusing, but I'm going to assume that's just par for the course for picking a 19 year old. Afterwards the host asks me how she was, and I tell him she was okay. I mention to him there was a girl I wanted to chat with quick before I left, and he went and found her and sent her over. Again the service here is on an entirely different level, and closing out the tab I tip a well earned 15% this time which he appreciated.
At Bomboas the girls, at least all the ones I think are hot, want R1000. If you have a good attitude they will begrudgingly take R800-900, but its very clear to me that R1000 is what they're after. Interestingly unlike Scandallo, nobody swung for the fences and tried to ask for crazy amounts of R1600+. They were all pretty straight forward and opened with R1000-1200. The club is much smaller than Scandallo, but they have a solid talent pool and a great environment.
This week I also made my first stop at Brooklin Club for the trip, and it was a decent time. The entry is something like R20, the rooms are R50, and the girls are R340. There is a 10% surcharge for paying with a card. As was my experience last trip, this club is under the radar enough that they get basically no Americans, and if one of the patrons speaks English there is a great chance they will want to chat you up. This visit a guy and his buddy were more interested in me than the girls were, and even shared their bottle with me. They also introduced me to a few of the girls. As someone who is hypervigilant with zero trust in strangers, its an interesting experience. The club had a lot of girls given the size, probably close to 20, and there was a lot to like. Of course the quality doesn't match up to Bomboa or Scandallo, but of the 20 girls there were a lot of good options in the bunch and for less than half the price. One walked by with a nice ass, a tiny waist, pretty face, and long hair dyed a lighter reddish-brown color who caught my attention. A few minutes later she appears again, and I immediately go introduce myself and take her to the room. The sex was decent for not having much chit chat prior, and based on my past trips I know the girls can be very flirty in the booths which leads to more passionate experiences. This trip the friendly locals had clearly been drinking for a while, and wanted me to hang out with them in their booth with the girls they had. I didn't want to be rude or offend them, so a quick dash to the room seemed like the best way to go.
Finally I want to revise my assessment on the state of 57 Friends. While I haven't been impressed with my random walk ins, I went to an event they advertised one night on the WhatsApp and the lineup was very solid. I didn't even make it past the desk before seeing a pretty blonde who I immediately took upstairs, and she was fantastic. I check their WhatsApp religiously hoping to see her pop up again. There were probably 15 girls that night, and easily five more of them I'd have loved to try out.
I've got about two weeks left here, so I'll do one final report on my way out. Have fun everyone!
That's a plus in Brazil. Try that in Thailand now. In Thailand your rejection rate because of age and race might be high as 80%. In Brazil all girls in a venue are ready to talk business with any male customer. In other words, if a club lets a customer in, the customer is good enough, period.I'm African American, I never had any problem in Thailand, never any problem in the German FKK brothels where I was the only black guy, nor the Dubai Russian brothels where I was also the only black guy (aside from the security), never any problem at the Amsterdam RLD, etc. As long as you dress good, hygienic, in shape, and are ready to spend money you're not really going to have a problem. In any country. I recall black mongers who had a blast even in Ukraine and Russia before the war situation.
If I really had to make a distinction, I would say nationality (western citizenship) is more important than race. Generally speaking. And as far as age, Ive seen 80-90 year olds with hot young women in Thailand, Dominican Republic, etc so I dont think age is an issue for any mongering destination.
As long as you dress good, hygienic, in shape, and are ready to spend money you're not going to have a problem. In any country.I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. "Colorism" is known to be alive and well in Thailand, with discriminatory door practices exercised against people of color at some clubs. Either you can't get in, or if you can, it's only after you pay something in advance when whites and east Asians aren't asked to do that. I can agree with you regarding the other countries you mentioned, but not with regard to Thailand. And even then, occasionally there are issues in other places. Most of the vets around here who have mongered in Germany remember FKK Golden Time, a club that was notorious for a discriminatory door policy. Well, the place burned down during the years of the pandemic (arson for insurance maybe who knows). But not missed by equal access loving mongers!
Thank you for the informative post. A nice list of 3-4 clubs is exactly what I was looking for.I would say start with Bomboa. I've seen the best young sexy chicks gravitate towards black guys like bees on honey haha. Have fun dude!
I'm African American, I never had any problem in Thailand, never any problem in the German FKK brothels where I was the only black guy, nor the Dubai Russian brothels where I was also the only black guy (aside from the security), never any problem at the Amsterdam RLD, etc. As long as you dress good, hygienic, in shape, and are ready to spend money you're not really going to have a problem. In any country. I recall black mongers who had a blast even in Ukraine and Russia before the war situation.
If I really had to make a distinction, I would say nationality (western citizenship) is more important than race. Generally speaking. And as far as age, Ive seen 80-90 year olds with hot young women in Thailand, Dominican Republic, etc so I dont think age is an issue for any mongering destination.On the Thai friendly dating website half the girls advertise they are seeking men in a certain age bracket, where the maximum age is never more than 60 and can be as low as 30 or 45.
The Critic
03-12-23, 05:13
Another week in SP down, so felt like time to share of recent info.
I've got about two weeks left here, so I'll do one final report on my way out. Have fun everyone!Good detailed report. Thanks for posting and we look forward to your next report!!
Didn't expect to be posting again so soon, but I decided to spend this rainy Saturday at Casarao. It's the only major club I haven't visited yet so I decided to cross it off my list, however at first glance I'm not a fan. I walk in a little after 11 pm and while there are a decent number of girls (30? There are maybe three that seem appealing. The first thing that strikes me is even at this early hour there is nowhere to sit. I'm not exaggerating when I say there are about 12 chairs in the whole place, plus some bench seating here and there. I find a good looking blonde girl with a rocking body and an okay face, chat for a bit, and invite her to go next door. We get to the hotel and she initially says 30 minutes, but I clarify I wanted an hour and she accepts. However she insists on payment upfront, which I rarely do anywhere, and have done 0 times in Sao Paulo despite three trips and likely 70+ girls. I decide to walk and catch an uber to another club, but I had some questions for the community. As an aside and one point in Casarao's favor, I did see many better looking girls entering the hotel after midnight so in terms of quality I fully believe it picks up around 1-2.
1) Is there a seating option I might have missed? It seems the club is divided into two upper rooms and one lower one, but that's it. Can I pay for reserved seating, maybe one of the booths?
2) Is paying before the session normal here? I can't imagine that would be the standard anywhere in Sao Paulo, but as it is my first time at the club I want to be sure I didn't overreact. If the girl had a better attitude I probably would have let it go, but she was pretty cold so I wasn't open to the idea.
3) Unrelated, but has anyone noticed more girls trying to push CBJ? I've encountered it a grand total of one time before this trip, and I've had three try this visit. I'm not showering any less or smelling anymore, so I don't think it's me, however its a small sample so hard to say.
I do feel like I need to give the place another shot and show up later, but boy was my first go underwhelming. On previous trips I've always shrugged off the advice about negotiating the little things beforehand because it was so infrequently a problem. Brazilian girls just always seemed to have a good attitude that made it unnecessary. However after this one Sao Paulo is starting to feel like Tijuana where I need to spell out all of the details (An exaggeration as 90% of the girls are great, but I do feel like the tide is turning). Thanks.
I know the Brazilian women are famous for their bunda, but that is not what I seek. My type is: thin, natural breasts, babyless, under 30. Missing any one of those qualities is a deal breaker. Skin color is not an issue. Are there many girls like that in Scandallo, or are they mostly the big-bunda type with bolts on? Where are the best place to find the thin, natural type? 15 years back I was able to find my type in Helpe and the thermas, but in those days there was less silicon.
Also, I have a question for you clinica experts. Is the procedure you walk in, they show a line up, and you pick immediately? Or is it more the style where you can linger in a common room, take your time, have a beer, then pick?
The Critic
03-12-23, 21:02
1) Is there a seating option I might have missed? It seems the club is divided into two upper rooms and one lower one, but that's it. Can I pay for reserved seating, maybe one of the booths?
2) Is paying before the session normal here? I can't imagine that would be the standard anywhere in Sao Paulo, but as it is my first time at the club I want to be sure I didn't overreact. If the girl had a better attitude I probably would have let it go, but she was pretty cold so I wasn't open to the idea.
3) Unrelated, but has anyone noticed more girls trying to push CBJ? I've encountered it a grand total of one time before this trip, and I've had three try this visit. I'm not showering any less or smelling anymore, so I don't think it's me, however its a small sample so hard to say.
I do feel like I need to give the place another shot and show up later, but boy was my first go underwhelming. On previous trips I've always shrugged off the advice about negotiating the little things beforehand because it was so infrequently a problem. Brazilian girls just always seemed to have a good attitude that made it unnecessary. However after this one Sao Paulo is starting to feel like Tijuana where I need to spell out all of the details (An exaggeration as 90% of the girls are great, but I do feel like the tide is turning). Thanks.A1. The seating is pretty much what you see is what is available. I have seen reserved seating signs on the upper (main) level, but I do not know how you acquire those seats. Ask when you visit again about those specific seating.
A2. For me it's been infrequent to be asked to pay up front. It does happen (once or twice per trip), but I have not had any negative experience from paying up front but, I do make it known that it's not what I prefer to do. I do feel the ones who ask for upfront payment are clock watchers or recently experienced a negative interaction with a client.
A3. No. Pushing CBJ, not even mentioned. (Ask them why? You might get a reasonable answer).
Give Casarao another shot (if you confirm its not your kind of place then you never have to go back LOL!) Relax and take in the views. It's a faster pace than Scandallo but it a great spot IMHO and cheaper. If it's important to you, then always state / negotiate what you want so you don't get into issues in the room especially if they demand upfront payment.
I know the Brazilian women are famous for their bunda, but that is not what I seek. My type is: thin, natural breasts, babyless, under 30. Missing any one of those qualities is a deal breaker. Skin color is not an issue. Are there many girls like that in Scandallo, or are they mostly the big-bunda type with bolts on? Where are the best place to find the thin, natural type? 15 years back I was able to find my type in Helpe and the thermas, but in those days there was less silicon.
Also, I have a question for you clinica experts. Is the procedure you walk in, they show a line up, and you pick immediately? Or is it more the style where you can linger in a common room, take your time, have a beer, then pick?Thin types can be found in SP however other mongers may say other areas of Brazil tend to lend itself to that particular body type.
Generally, you get the initial lineup when you enter. After that when new clients enter a new lineup starts. So, you can pick immediately or pick during the subsequent lineups if you haven't already picked or have a selection in mind. In the intervening time you can generally hang out and linger watch TV have a drink and chill, chat up with non-selectees or with you selectee.
SocratesNY
03-13-23, 00:52
I know the Brazilian women are famous for their bunda, but that is not what I seek. My type is: thin, natural breasts, babyless, under 30. Missing any one of those qualities is a deal breaker. Skin color is not an issue. Are there many girls like that in Scandallo, or are they mostly the big-bunda type with bolts on? Where are the best place to find the thin, natural type? 15 years back I was able to find my type in Helpe and the thermas, but in those days there was less silicon.
Also, I have a question for you clinica experts. Is the procedure you walk in, they show a line up, and you pick immediately? Or is it more the style where you can linger in a common room, take your time, have a beer, then pick?I go for the same type of girls, preferably 5'7" and above. I see them all over Scandallo, as well as other boates and clinicas. The great thing about Brazil is you see lots of girls with alll of those qualities. Plus with a nice bubble butt / big bunda as well!
At clinicas, you can stay in the waiting area as long as you want, I've had lots of great conversations with other mongers while waiting for a girl or a friend to finish up. Gained lots of advice on who provides good service, etc. I've even encountered one monger who brought his laptop there. As he was working remotely while waiting for his girl to be free!
I've only had 2 girls try to do CBJ on me out of probably 100+ sessions. 1 at was a new and shy clinica girl so I shrugged it off. 2nd time it was a Scandallo girl, which surprised me a tad. So now I make sure I confirm the services I want at the high end boates.
BeHappy143
03-13-23, 03:33
Good Day,
Hopefully someone could help with building an itinerary for me. I've been looking through the forums and gathered a lot of information but haven't been able to get this question answered so hopefully someone can help in time. I'm taking a really quick trip to Sao Paulo. I will arrive Wednesday morning and leave Thursday evening night. Was hoping to set up a mongering split of Wednesday early afternoon, Wednesday night, and then again Thursday early or late afternoon if that makes sense. So three rounds to see the "sights" of Sao Paulo. So was thinking what was the best way to split that 3. I want to hit up Scandallo as it seems like pinnacle. And I'd like to also hit up a combination of a clinica Bomboa or Casarao. So if I was looking to fit in Scandallo into one of the slots, and then another 2 into the other slots, what would be the best way to play it? I guess as far as maximum level of enjoyment / bang for your buck. I procrastinated so rooms are slim now but I'll probably either stay at the Hyatt, Grand Mecure Privilege, or Alamedas. Excuse any mispellings.
Side note I also tried looking up address for Tangera on google since it seemed heavily talked about but couldn't find it. If a clinica recommendation is given, if you could give me a name I'd appreciate it.
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3) Unrelated, but has anyone noticed more girls trying to push CBJ? I've encountered it a grand total of one time before this trip, and I've had three try this visit. I'm not showering any less or smelling anymore, so I don't think it's me, however its a small sample so hard to say.....This is normal at Casarao. I wouldn't call it push but instead it is the default if you don't ask for it. I did not do my homework before visiting. I had similar reaction like you but I did my homework after and found post about this, I think by XXL, so it has been discussed already. The average quality at Casarao is lower so your observation is normal.
Few years ago I made this pit stop in SP. May be of help. Scandallo, Bomboa and Cafe Photo are all 15 minutes taxi at night.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2727385&highlight=pit+stop#post2727385.
Good Day,
Hopefully someone could help with building an itinerary for me. I've been looking through the forums and gathered a lot of information but haven't been able to get this question answered so hopefully someone can help in time. I'm taking a really quick trip to Sao Paulo. I will arrive Wednesday morning and leave Thursday evening night. Was hoping to set up a mongering split of Wednesday early afternoon, Wednesday night, and then again Thursday early or late afternoon if that makes sense. So three rounds to see the "sights" of Sao Paulo. So was thinking what was the best way to split that 3. I want to hit up Scandallo as it seems like pinnacle. And I'd like to also hit up a combination of a clinica Bomboa or Casarao. So if I was looking to fit in Scandallo into one of the slots, and then another 2 into the other slots, what would be the best way to play it? I guess as far as maximum level of enjoyment / bang for your buck. I procrastinated so rooms are slim now but I'll probably either stay at the Hyatt, Grand Mecure Privilege, or Alamedas. Excuse any mispellings.
Side note I also tried looking up address for Tangera on google since it seemed heavily talked about but couldn't find it. If a clinica recommendation is given, if you could give me a name I'd appreciate it.
The Critic
03-13-23, 15:53
Side note I also tried looking up address for Tangera on google since it seemed heavily talked about but couldn't find it. If a clinica recommendation is given, if you could give me a name I'd appreciate it.I don't know if you really tried but it took me two seconds.
https://clinicatangara.negocio.site/
Also, the address has been posted on this forum multitude of times that's including the map of clinicas.
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Side note I also tried looking up address for Tangera on google since it seemed heavily talked about but couldn't find it. If a clinica recommendation is given, if you could give me a name I'd appreciate it.Search Clínica Tangará on Google map.
FlowState985
03-13-23, 18:16
1) Is there a seating option I might have missed?
2) Is paying before the session normal here?
3) Unrelated, but has anyone noticed more girls trying to push CBJ?1. Sit anywhere you see available. It's like majority of the clubs, if you want a dedicated spot, you got to pay and that's the upper floor where the VIPs are.
2. Depends on the girl. If the girl doesn't trust you, she'll ask upfront. In my experience, it doesn't matter upfront or at the end, the girl's going to give you her standard of service. What that means is that if she planned on giving you a shit service, you're still going to pay the amount whether you pay upfront or at the end.
3. Depends on the girl. I feel like the younger / newer girl tends to push for CBJ, the older / more experience doesn't care and by older, I means about late 20's and up or has a kid.
Give Casarao another shot (if you confirm its not your kind of place then you never have to go back LOL!) Relax and take in the views. It's a faster pace than Scandallo but it a great spot IMHO and cheaper. If it's important to you, then always state / negotiate what you want so you don't get into issues in the room especially if they demand upfront payment.Unlike at Scandallo or Bomboa, where one hour session is the norm, make clear with the girls at Casarao if you want to stay 40 minutes or one hour with her. 40 minutes sessions are very common there. If you pay 450-500, it should be one hour.
Search Clnica Tangar on Google map.Here: Clinica Tangará - are. Tangará, 200, Vila Mariana.
Steve 9696
03-14-23, 01:47
I know the Brazilian women are famous for their bunda, but that is not what I seek. My type is: thin, natural breasts, babyless, under 30. Missing any one of those qualities is a deal breaker. Skin color is not an issue. Are there many girls like that in Scandallo, or are they mostly the big-bunda type with bolts on? Where are the best place to find the thin, natural type? 15 years back I was able to find my type in Helpe and the thermas, but in those days there was less silicon.
Also, I have a question for you clinica experts. Is the procedure you walk in, they show a line up, and you pick immediately? Or is it more the style where you can linger in a common room, take your time, have a beer, then pick?Check my recent post in Rio thread. Monte Carlo is not talked about much but totally a home run for what you seek. All three of us loved it. I had five girls over two days and thrilled with them all. Slim natural and sexy as fuck. A true 9. 5 and a 9 and some nice 8. 5's. Def recommend for what you seek.
BeHappy143
03-14-23, 10:13
Here: Clinica Tangar - are. Tangar, 200, Vila Mariana.Much obliged.
BeHappy143
03-14-23, 10:23
Few years ago I made this pit stop in SP. May be of help. Scandallo, Bomboa and Cafe Photo are all 15 minutes taxi at night.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2727385&highlight=pit+stop#post2727385.Just read through it. Entertaining read. Thanks for that. I'm going to use this.
Tom Dick 69
03-14-23, 16:07
ATMs:
Banco 24 horas: Maximum withdrawal 1000 Reais, ATM charge 24 Reais. Schwab automatically refunded 24 Reais at the end of the month.
Santander: Maximum withdrawal 3000 Reais, ATM charge 20 Reais. Schwab automatically refunded 20 Reais at the end of the month.
Bradesco: Maximum withdrawal 2500 Reais per day, no ATM fee.
I am an Asian (brown skin), and I don't speak Portuguese. I almost always have to use translate app.
For the places below, anything before colon is I got from ISG, and anything after colon is my contribution.
North of Luz (near Santana metro).
Prive 482, Rua Doutor Olavo Egdio, 482, Santana. 7+. 40/30: Went on Monday 11 am. 4 girls, 2 6/10 and 2 more busy. The receptionist / mamasan told more girls come after lunch. When I asked for best day & time to visit to see more girls, she told Sat 2 pm. I went again on a Saturday like 3 pm. There were like 8 girls, none 7/10, so didn't do session. Prices: 30/20 min, 50/30, 100/60. 8 am-8 pm, closed on Sundays.
Prive 432, Rua Conselheiro Saraiva, 432, Santana. 7+. 40/30: Went on Monday 11:30 am. 2 girls, 5-6/10.30/20,50/30. Weekends 3 pm is best to visit, 5 girls expected. Went again on Saturday like 4 pm, about 4 girls were there, not attractive enough to try session.
Prive 376, Conselheiro Saraiva, 376, Santana .7+.40/30: Went on Monday 11:30 am. 3 girls, 2 4-5/10,1 7/10. Did session with the 7/10 girl, it was mechanical, only 1-2 minutes blow job just until erection, no cowgirl, etc. Same pricing structure for all 3; 30/20, 50/30, 100/60. The receptionist told Thu / Fri / Sat 2 pm+ is best time to visit. Visited again on Sat like 4 pm. 3-4 girls, 1 6-7/10, remaining older or less attractive. I think the management at the above 2 places are same, since I saw the receptionist at 432 on my 1st visit was at 376 during my 2nd visit.
Luz metro:
SWs at north side: tried on a Wednesday 1 pm. Couldn't find much. Maybe like 5 girls overall.
Prive American Bar, Av. So Joo, 345 (Calado) - Centro. 40-45.30/30 40/40. 8 am-10 pm. 3 bars on different floors, bedrooms on the floors above them: Went on Monday 3:30 pm, no girls were there. About 3-5 guys were there, maybe customers came for drinks. The receptionist told girls come at night, 9:30 pm+ for more girls. This area is not safe, I didn't want to try visiting here at night.
Prive Sensao (2018), Rua General Jardim 242, Republica (Centro). 10.100/ HR. 9 am-9 pm: Went on Monday 5:15 pm. Seems it it no longer there. The duplicate key small shop owner next door told that this place has moved a while ago. He doesn't know the new address.
EDIFCIO 134, Alameda Baro de Limeira, 134, Edificio Itatiaia. 9 floors, 16 balconies, 12 windows, 100 women: Went on Monday 5:30 pm. You must pay 2 reais to store your backpack at the reception. There are 2 rooms / casas kinda bar setup on both sides of stairs in each floor. There were about 5-10 girls in each floor. 40/15 min. You could get a better deal, esp if you know portuguese.
Rua dos Andradas 69, Centro, near LUZ metro. 30/15 min or 1 pop: Similar setup like above. Went on Friday 3 pm. You must pay 3 reais to store your backpack at the reception. About 5 girls each floor, a total of about 30-40 girls. 40/25 min.
Love Story (Dance and Night Club). Rua Araujo, 232: Went on Monday 5 pm. Renovation work going on. Looking from outside, I felt it will take few weeks / months before it opens.
West of Luz metro:
CLnica Shangri-l, Av. Pompia, 1062, Vila Pompeia. 13 Massagistas. 150/ HR. http://clinicashangrila.com/web/: Went on Tue 3:30 pm. 5 girls 6-7/10. Same 5 girls on other days too. 190/60, 280/90, no 30 minute option. Hours 11 am /12 noon-8 pm, closed on Sundays.
Clinica Aneesh, Rua Tavares Bastos, 547, Vila Pompia. 7 Massagistas. 130/ HR (CHEAP! M-F noon-9 pm Sa -7 pm. https://www.aneesh.com.br/: Went on Wed 2:50 pm. 5 girls 2-4 were 6-7/10.180-190/ HR.
Zarah Massagens, Avenida Pompia, 2082, Vila Pompeia. 5. 170/ HR. M-F 11 am-9 pm Sa 10 am-5 pm http://zarahmassagem.com.br/: Went on Wed 3 pm. 6 girls, 2-3 og them were 6-7/10.200/ HR.
South of Av. Paulista:
Are. Augusta, 2028: Went on Su 11:30 am. Entry 10 reais, include 1 drink. Only 1 girl 5/10 was there. 65/30 130/60. The entrance guy told weekends nights are best to see more girls.
SWs on lower Augusta: walked on Su 11:30 am-11:50 am, from are. Augusta 2028 to are. August 3000. Couldn't find any.
Rua Ouro Branco 168, Jardim Paulista: Went on Su 12:20 pm. Seems no longer there. There was 160, and 174, in between there is a building with the door locked. It must be 168, but '168' not displayed.
Corpus Terapia Massagem (2019). Av. Batataes, 558 - Jardim Paulista: Went on Su 1:45 pm. It is a big building with many apts.
MASSAGEM MIX, are. Batataes 557 - Jardim Paulista: Same as above (Went on Su 1:45 pm. It is a big building with many apts).
Massage Sao Paulo, Alameda Joaquim Eugnio de Lima 1144, Jardim Paulista: Went on Sunday 2 pm. It was closed. The small street shop owner told they are closed on Sundays.
Nilay Massagens, Rua Carlos Steinen, 414, Paraso: They quoted high price, like 350+/ HR.
Villa Mariana south: went on a weekday this time (I think Monday afternoon).
Desejos Prive, are dos Otonis, 541: It is a small grocery store now.
Are. Dos Otonis, 694, Vila Clementino: Definitely felt like a high end place. 600/ HR. But girls are usual 7-8/10. I don't know if the premium price translates into better experience. I felt it would be same experience like a 200/ HR place, but at a high end casa.
Priv Fani Sex, Rua Loefgreen 927, Vila Clementino: It was closed on a weekday too. May be it is no longer there.
Espao Lus Gis, Rua Lus Gis, 820, Mirandpolis: The outside door was closed on a weekday too. Better to chat on whatsapp and get details.
The Critic
03-14-23, 16:32
I am an Asian (brown skin), and I don't speak Portuguese. I almost always have to use translate app.
For the places below, anything before colon is I got from ISG, and anything after colon is my contribution. Outstanding Post, Lots of detailed and actionable information. Hopefully this information is useful to members.
Jimmy Boy 99
03-14-23, 17:20
Snip. Side note I also tried looking up address for Tangera on google since it seemed heavily talked about but couldn't find it. If a clinica recommendation is given, if you could give me a name I'd appreciate it.I Googled "clinica tangera sao paulo" and got the information about Tangara. I don't understand why it didn't come up for you unless it did but you were certain it was Tangera and ignored the search result.
https://www.google.com/search?q=clinica+tangera+sao+paulo&client=firefox-be-1-the&sxsrf=AJOqlzX7 ku92 HNyQcsc7 QyxyHf1 t9 rAPEw%3 A1678809988997&ei=hJsQZL6-PJmt5 NoPl52 DuAc&ved=0 ahUKEwi-kKjI5 tv9 AhWZFlkFHZfOAHcQ4 dUDCA8&oq=clinica+tangera+sao+paulo&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3 Mtd2 l6 LXNlcnAQDDIHCCMQsAIQJzINCC4 QDRCABBDHARCvATIFCAAQhgM6 CAgAEKIEELADOgcIIxDqAhAnOg0 IABCPARDqAhC0 AhgBOg0 ILhCPARDqAhC0 AhgBSgQIQRgBUMYJWPHaGGDg9 xhoBHAAeACAAXiIAcwBkgEDMS4 xmAEAoAEBoAECsAEUyAEFwAEB2 gEGCAEQARgK&sclient=gws-wiz-serp.
Good to mention that main bike and auto trade shows are already programmed for this year, mostly around the F1 of Interlagos. All kinds of promomodels work at the events and talking to them (in portugues mostly) is quite easy. Some gave their phone numbers with no much hesitation. Some others are so stunning and classy, that they have assigned guards and are prohibited to release info.
Slim, tall, petite, fitness, strong, blondes, brunettes. Etc etc.
Most of them are not working girls, but some do fall in the category of "ficha rosa" (like the girl in blue uniform) and also some are frequent at high end boates.
Not all ficha rosas go to boates, so it can be a very patient detective sport to score one. Some arrive at the events as declared Non Ficha Rosas, and by the end of the event turn into ones 'cause events have their own VIP parties and cocktails where money and proposals flow.
Sorry if this all sounds like a tongue twister of set theory.
But as you may imagine, trade shows are very interesting places to visit if you just want to give some pleasure to your eyes. You'll see the widest variety of brazilian talent.
RonhinCruz
03-16-23, 22:29
So I of course lost my card the first day in Sao Paulo while trying to find a bank to pull out Reals. Bit means for this evening I only have US $ and the exchange places are closed. Will the seeínicas or Casaroa take US $? Gah.
Willie Wonkers
03-17-23, 01:51
Good to mention that main bike and auto trade shows are already programmed for this year, mostly around the F1 of Interlagos. All kinds of promomodels work at the events and talking to them (in portugues mostly) is quite easy. Some gave their phone numbers with no much hesitation. Some others are so stunning and classy, that they have assigned guards and are prohibited to release info.
Slim, tall, petite, fitness, strong, blondes, brunettes. Etc etc.
Most of them are not working girls, but some do fall in the category of "ficha rosa" (like the girl in blue uniform) and also some are frequent at high end boates.
Not all ficha rosas go to boates, so it can be a very patient detective sport to score one. Some arrive at the events as declared Non Ficha Rosas, and by the end of the event turn into ones 'cause events have their own VIP parties and cocktails where money and proposals flow.
Sorry if this all sounds like a tongue twister of set theory.
But as you may imagine, trade shows are very interesting places to visit if you just want to give some pleasure to your eyes. You'll see the widest variety of brazilian talent.To quoter my first Brazilain girlfriend here in the US and after 20 -30 more - "always assume any girl you meet is a GP untill probven otherwise!" They may not go to boates but unfortunately always available for the right price (though many are loyal and not so if in a relationship! - one of their greatest qualities).
Axel Heyst
03-17-23, 14:57
So I of course lost my card the first day in Sao Paulo while trying to find a bank to pull out Reals. Bit means for this evening I only have US $ and the exchange places are closed. Will the seenicas or Casaroa take US $? Gah.RC, I hope you brought a few backup credit cards and another debit card or you are out of luck. Most boate girls will accept $US dollars if you offer them a reasonable exchange rate, but the boates and clinicas will not.
Hi Willi, I do my best not to fantasize and base my reports in visual documentation whenever possible.
Let's say 50% may be GPS like any other country and girls can f**ck whoever they want.
For example, this group of argies at the car races. Yes, the vast majority of them were escorts, but one. The one with the Christmas hat was not. She had to escape the car races horrorized by the offerings she got every minute and see the other girls fucking with pilots, mechanics, etc etc.
She ended up f**king on Tv and production guys from the media. Just look how hot she was being 19 why / o, tall, super beautiful face. I mean, a doll.
Like a friend of mine says: She was a "bocatto di cardinale" jajajajaja.
To quoter my first Brazilain girlfriend here in the US and after 20 -30 more - "always assume any girl you meet is a GP untill probven otherwise!" They may not go to boates but unfortunately always available for the right price (though many are loyal and not so if in a relationship! - one of their greatest qualities).
To quoter my first Brazilain girlfriend here in the US and after 20 -30 more - "always assume any girl you meet is a GP untill probven otherwise!" They may not go to boates but unfortunately always available for the right price (though many are loyal and not so if in a relationship! - one of their greatest qualities).This is probably not unreasonable, but I wouldn't recommend anyone going in hard and propositioning young Brazilian women with money. Whether it be a waitress, a girl at the mall or at a civilian bar, it still takes some game and subtly.
I have seen gringos in Copacabana treat every young woman like a hooker. It's insulting to the women. It's embarrassing for us foreigners to be around that. (I think one of our members once got thrown out of a Rio mall by security.)
I'm sure when HiddenEye picks up a girl at a trade show he has to use some charm and nuance. In the end, she's thinking she will have a little fun and make some money.
To quoter my first Brazilain girlfriend here in the US and after 20 -30 more - "always assume any girl you meet is a GP untill probven otherwise!" They may not go to boates but unfortunately always available for the right price (though many are loyal and not so if in a relationship! - one of their greatest qualities).Imagine some believe what they read here. I never stopped to get surprised of some of the posts being made here.
I'm sure when HiddenEye picks up a girl at a trade show he has to use some charm and nuance. In the end, she's thinking she will have a little fun and make some money.That's right WyattEarp, girls go there to work, to give information, to be kind with potential clients, that's what promotional models do all over the world. I'm a biker myself and I enjoy very much those events.
It's easy, just have to go there and talk. I have booked many of them for photoshoots after having met them at events.
After that, true love can flow (happy face) or maybe not. And no problems at all.
I have seen gringos in Copacabana treat every young woman like a hooker. It's insulting to the women. It's embarrassing for us foreigners to be around that. (I think one of our members once got thrown out of a Rio mall by security.)
Now I remember the very first time I used this forum in the oldest version from the early 2000's. An ISG member who went to Dominicana, a country many of us know, and he could not tell the difference between h**kers and civilians in Santo Domingo, because they dress mostly colorful, short dresses, and lots of make up. And he mentioned a woman and her daughter were offended by the way he approached to them. So be careful my friend Willie, a jelous brother / BF may be right next to the nice looking girl.
** Pictures attached of real brunette promo model met at tradeshow with conservative uniform, then I heard she was also umbrella girl from car races. Then boom! Finally scored her almost after 6 months. That's a pair of juicy tits.
RonhinCruz
03-18-23, 11:07
After solving my card problem which ruined any chance for Thursday mongering, Friday brought a new day and a visit to Abbobora and then later Casarao.
Abbobora.
I returned to Abbobora, the site of one of my best ever sessions (from years ago) at 5 pm. At presentation there were approximately 10 girls. I always find it hard to keep track of all the names and remember each girl so I tend to just decide whether each girl is preferred over the best one before. The diversity in the line up was decent but not as high as I have seen in the past. A lot of mulatto girls of a similar albeit pleasing builds. After the initial look I decided I was feeling a bit chatty and asked to see any girls that spoke Spanish or English as well as the two that were my favorites. They will always do a second look or ask girls with certain attributes back out to aid selection. I ended up taking Pamela who was one of the two that most caught my eye. She was a slim but we'll proportioned "Brazil girl next door" type. A 7. 5. Unfortunately she didn't speak any Spanish or English but we got along just fine all the same. All in I was quoted are $330. This was a bit more than I expected but inflation I guess? Maybe locals pay a lower price. Off to the room for an hour. In room she provided the engaging GFE demeanor I always look forward to in Brazil. BBJ, DATY, energetic CG, RVG Mish and doggy. The room was clean. Pamela really likes Abbobora for it's consistente cleanliness, the clientelle and the fact it's tranquillo. I would repeat except. It's Brazil.
Casaron.
After dinner with a contact at a sushi place in Itaim (Imakay, I would recomiendo) I decides to head to Casarao right at opening as it was my fiesta time there ando I wanted to get a lay of the land before it spun up. It was a little quiet but a steady stream of people soon changed that.
I decide to do an early session to reserve the possibility of taking two different girls over the evening. I hooked on with a pleasant but very GND type and bought her a drink. This was a mistake. Long story shorts I ended up in a room with her do mostly to attitude and an agreement for anal all for are $400 but clearly I could have gotten the same from a far better looking girl. That said the anal ended up being really enthusiastic. But again it's Brazil and I probably could have gotten that. Lesson learned. Recalibrate to Brazil they moment you arrive. No need to settle here at all.
By the time we returned Casarao was in full swing. Pretty much walk to wall people upstairs and down. Probably 20% more girls than men. I had another girl try to approach but if I was going to do a third session for the day it would be with a girl I chase and really liked. I wandered the club recovering and waiting to see if there was anyone that really got me intrigued. The variety of girls was very. Brazil. Almost anything you could want. The range on the scale was quite broad as well. The Abbobora line up was on average higher IMHO when compared to the girls in Casaroa. However, the sheer number still provides lots of options. After a few rounds, watching girls come in the door etc. I finally decided a girl I had passed a few times that had caught my eye, slim, flat stomach, half shirt showing her flat toned abs and with really nice shoulder length hair and be-cups (not natural, go figure, at least she didn't over so it for her frame) deserved at least a drink to see. She spoke a little English and was in no hurry. After some dancing etc. Are $500 and off to the room we went. Really great session. BBJ (no attempt for a CBJ in either encounter) was really good. Tons of eye contact, deep BLS, really nice. All the normal things but with a tremendous GFE attitude and she was just the sort I was looking for. She got my a final but for the day out of me, 4 is a lot for me in 7 hours. I love Brazil.
Total damage at Casarao for two girls, drinks including a few with the girls, room etc was $R1300. Very reasonable price to quality to choice ratio I would say.
I was at Abbobora around same time. Probably I have seen you there Anyhow, girl I was interested in alresady taken in a minute by the time tried to recollect her name. Settled with Samantha. She is ok but little bit sad looking. Charged me 350 all included per hour. She was not much a GFE type, purely mechanical. Her positions were not really comfortable on the bed, almost like pushing you away. Asked for 500 for anal but when refused settled for 300 but I said no thanks given her attitude.
I think there are other places for little less and same talent. Not sure but will try since I just got here. Went to Bahamas club as it is within walkable distance from where I am staying. Took a peep inside there were about 5 girls and not many clients, probably too early. Entry fee without consumable 200 and with 570. Room is 170 per hour. As per door man, girls can ask anywhere 1000 to 3000 but settle for no less than 600. I did not go in, there were 4 locals arguing at the counter.
I just sent you Privage Message if you want to hang out.
After solving my card problem which ruined any chance for Thursday mongering, Friday brought a new day and a visit to Abbobora and then later Casarao.
Abbobora.
I returned to Abbobora, the site of one of my best ever sessions (from years ago) at 5 pm. At presentation there were approximately 10 girls. I always find it hard to keep track of all the names and remember each girl so I tend to just decide whether each girl is preferred over the best one before. The diversity in the line up was decent but not as high as I have seen in the past. A lot of mulatto girls of a similar albeit pleasing builds. After the initial look I decided I was feeling a bit chatty and asked to see any girls that spoke Spanish or English as well as the two that were my favorites. They will always do a second look or ask girls with certain attributes back out to aid selection. I ended up taking Pamela who was one of the two that most caught my eye. She was a slim but we'll proportioned "Brazil girl next door" type. A 7. 5. Unfortunately she didn't speak any Spanish or English but we got along just fine all the same. All in I was quoted are $330. This was a bit more than I expected but inflation I guess? Maybe locals pay a lower price. Off to the room for an hour. In room she provided the engaging GFE demeanor I always look forward to in Brazil. BBJ, DATY, energetic CG, RVG Mish and doggy. The room was clean. Pamela really likes Abbobora for it's consistente cleanliness, the clientelle and the fact it's tranquillo. I would repeat except. It's Brazil.
Total damage at Casarao for two girls, drinks including a few with the girls, room etc was $R1300. Very reasonable price to quality to choice ratio I would say.
Steve 9696
03-18-23, 20:34
I know this is the SP thread but we are all here to learn and I learned the scene in Rio recently and think it's noteworthy. I posted reports on my Monte Carlo terms experience and an amazing Seeking Arrangements date with a girlfriendy 9. 5 and both experiences were Wowzers.
SP remains awesome. But def read my Rio reports. I'the say Rio has moved to the top of my list for an all around great time.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2192-Rio-de-Janeiro-Reports&p=2797689#post2797689
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2797716#post2797716
SamaRiding
03-19-23, 01:07
I know this is the SP thread but we are all here to learn and I learned the scene in Rio recently and think it's noteworthy. I posted reports on my Monte Carlo terms experience and an amazing Seeking Arrangements date with a girlfriendy 9. 5 and both experiences were Wowzers.
SP remains awesome. But def read my Rio reports. I'the say Rio has moved to the top of my list for an all around great time.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2192-Rio-de-Janeiro-Reports&p=2797689#post2797689
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2797716#post2797716Hopefully the hot girls of Monte Carlo stay and I will visit! Reminds me of 57 Friends, one day I visit the lineup was amazing, a dozen young slim girls. I was like wow. But it didn't last, the next day most were gone. Your Rio report was refreshening, better than the stories of stinky dicks and falling in love with your hooker. Kkkk.
GeneveCalling1
03-20-23, 02:20
On first impression Scandallo is the best women house in the world. But I believe this community has to stick together and make a stand against absolutely ridiculous prices.
ENTRY FEE.
Charging 500 BRL or even 550 BRL for entry is outrageous. You can very well afford it, but if you put it in context it's more than a concert ticket, it's more than 99% of normal nightclubs worldwide, its a good meal for 2 in most of Europe. I don't think our community of tourists, business travellers, expats etc should be enabling this outrageous level of entry fee just to get into the amusement park, because afterwards you still need to pay for every single ride. Even if 300 BRL of the 500 BRL is for consumption that only gives you around 3 hard liquor drinks. If you want to speak with girls and make them have a good time they always ask for for something with hard liquor so that gives you 1,5 interactions with women assuming you both consume. Appalling.
WOMEN JACKING UP PRICES.
The professionals there trow numbers to the wall just to see what sticks or flies. The problem is quite a few people believe these numbers and enable them. I went to Scandallo a few days ago. I speak perfect Portuguese. And girls were asking me 2 K to go upstairs for 1 hour. You can absolutely negotiate, but when the negotiation starts with one side in such a big outlier it leaves everyone with a bad taste when you eventually settle for 500 to 1000.
After a lot of experiences, my go to plan is "Pernoite": the girl comes back to your venue and sleeps over with you. The best ones will leave in the morning when it feels appropriate for everyone, weirdos that don't know how to provide good service leave at 6 am on the dot (avoid those obviously). This is what makes me happy and because I'm spending soo much time with them I have a better feeling if I should put them in the roster of girlfriends in the quick call book in my frequent trips to SP.
The same night. A few nights ago. I see an absolute stunner, in my eyes at least. Dark, long hair, slim, 1,70, the type of girl that doesn't find a lot of market in the locals, but would probably count her clients as being the local asian community and the gringos. She was busy talking with some local, I wait for my opportunity and make my move. We introduce ourselves etc, and I ask her how much she charges for Pernoite. "-3,5 K to 3 K would be pernoite". And I'm like thinking in my head WTF? 3,5 K BRL is 670 USD:
You used to buy top of the line iPhones for that sort of money.
You can pay 1 month rent in a good flat in SP for that money.
You can pay for 1 return economy ticket to Europe or US if bought in advance.
You can have a multi-hour engagement with a professional in most European countries.
Etc.
I normally pay 1500 BRL for pernoite. Girls have quoted me in the past less and more: 1000,1200, 1300,1800, 2000. I've settled in 1500 as an equilibrium price that I think is fair for both parties. Mind you 1500 BRL is still 275-300 USD, it's proper money.
Crucially I enjoy doing pernoite threesomes. After research and when I know at least 1 of the girls, I normally ask the girl I trust to choose a friend that fits my preferences. For a threesome pernoite I pay 3. 000 BRL, 1. 500 each. And I've had a couple of mind blowing, best moments in my life experiences of fucking 2 girls most of the night for hours (some pills helped, even if you don't need them, I would suggest you take to really give you the endurance).
So I absolutely can't give to 1 girl. As hot as she might be. The same amount I use to get for 2 girls.
THE HORRIBLE NIGHTCLUB EXPERIENCE.
Against what a couple of other members have said, I actually prefer to go to Scandallo in the early afternoon. Many reasons.
It's cheaper at 300 to 350 BRL the entry and you can stay until the close early morning, so you save 200 BRL.
It's a much more relaxed atmosphere. The girls that do the afternoon shift are also more relaxed and more in need, they will probably at max only find 1 client in the whole afternoon so they take their time.
The afternoon is very different to the after 10 pm time in Scandallo: I hate Scandallo after 10 pm when they open the dancefloor / nightclub area.
1st At that moment you start getting locals that buy bottles and hoover up girls to their tables. Why the actual fuck do you need to impress professionals with bottles of anything in a *****house? - and then you're like "I've already paid 500 BRL to enter and now I still need to be here competing with other men like if I was in a normal nightclub? Whyyyyyy?
2nd Because there's so many men and so much money being stupidly thrown away, girls start choosing and selecting who they will go up with. Fortunately I'm still young. But again why am I feeling like I'm in a normal nightclub with the same social rules of a normal nightclub? For that I go to a normal nightclub!
3rd Lower rated girls need now to start making money. They might have not worked already, so you get all of the 4's, 5's, 6's, low 7's (they also work in Scandallo, don't think otherwise) hitting on you, and you need to bat them off like you're playing an episode of Last of Us or something. Gets boring, gets sad, quickly.
4th the incentives make this time of night be more productive for the mercenaries that know how to say all the right words and all the right promises. That they won't keep, so you will have to use a lot of judgement to see what is a bluff and what is an unpolished diamond.
AS A GROUP WE NEED TO.
Go in the afternoons to Scandallo.
Don't do go to Scandallo.
Don't pay more than 1 K for 1 hour in the venue.
Don't pay more than 1,5 K (my suggestion) for pernoite.
IMAGINE how unaffordable the prices will be if the Real goes back to trade 1 USD = 3 BRL? Out of the blue you're paying USD 500 for 1 hour.
MY CONCLUSION AND TIP.
In the end I don't like Scandallo, I go there only in the afternoons as most other houses are closed. For some reason I don't go to termas, don't know why to be fair, maybe I should try.
I also go there because you get to see some Unicorn 10's, but then I get annoyed because they know perfectly well they are 10's and they want to be paid their weight in gold or something.
I would suggest you to go to any other luxury boate at the 300 BRL pricepoint (apart from Bahamas which is a shithole).
Casarão in rua Augusta is also good. You need to be vaccinated before you go there almost. You need to ignore the fact that that group there in the corner with 5 guys is clearly the top branch of a local drug cartel, not every night is good. But for a 30/50 BRL entry fee you can go there 10 different days before you reach Scandallo prices. And in Casarão you find that girl that doesn't know what she is doing, that just arrived to São Paulo, and is a true diamond in the rough. Act quickly though, because others also realise that.
Hi, as you may already know I'm a visual producer and techy guy.
Been playing with some prompts on midjourney and original images from girls I still have contact on whatsapp from SP. And look at the results that may look familiar scenes to you.
Base images are: Source-1 (slim girl from Bombo) and Source-2 (a stunner from Scandallo).
So, to make more graphic reports, I'm planning to use AI LOL.
Prompts look like:
A. In this restaurant4 there is a classy guy5 smoking a cigar and sitting in a table. In front of him there is this girl3 who looks young and stunning standing and wearing high heels3.
Be. In a nightclub where she looks young and sweet with red dress, she's standing in front of a table. In the table there are two old classy guys looking at her with desire.
See. Classy guy leaving a night club with this girl who looks young and stunning.
And look at the monster generated!!jajajaja.
On first impression Scandallo is the best women house in the world. But I believe this community has to stick together and make a stand against absolutely ridiculous prices.
.Excellent post. But if wealthy locals pay those prices there is nothing we, foreign mongers, can do. I agree, rates are outrageous relative to the cost of living or local salaries. Also, no matter how much you pay, good service is never guaranteed, and there is nothing you can do, because they are freelancers.
On first impression Scandallo is the best women house in the world. But I believe this community has to stick together and make a stand against absolutely ridiculous prices.
...Right on the money! I am amazed that some mongers fly to Sao Paulo only for Scandallo. Indeed, for Scandallo late in the day when the cover charge is highest and the place packed with men. I have a tip for those mongers who don't mind traveling far for only one venue: at the time of writing FKK Sharks near Frankfurt is better. The Sharks line-up will be as good if not better than Scandallo's, the cover charge will include all the food (at least as good as Scandallo's pretentious inferior food) you can eat, and eating and drinking surrounded by naked women on high heels is infinitely more arousing than crouching in Scandallo's dark-room restaurant with everyone dressed up like for a degree ceremony. The rooms are included in the cover charge at Sharks, once you're in you only pay for the girls and alcoholic drinks.
I'll probably visit Scandallo during my next Sao Paulo visit, but I'll do so earlier in the day and only a couple of times.
...at the time of writing FKK Sharks near Frankfurt is better. The Sharks line-up will be as good if not better than Scandallo's, the cover charge will include all the food (at least as good as Scandallo's pretentious inferior food) you can eat, ...I have been to FKK sharks many times, and the same with Scandallo. My last visit to FKK Sharks was a couple of months ago. I don't agree with you that Sharks is better than Scandallo.
I saw something where gringos traveling to Brasil will require tourist visas again. Will you have to acquire a new one or if the old one you had has not expired will it still be valid for entry to Brasil? I called the Consulate in DC, but they don't answer questions via fone.
Obg!
I have been to FKK sharks many times, and the same with Scandallo. My last visit to FKK Sharks was a couple of months ago. I don't agree with you that Sharks is better than Scandallo.No way in hell is Sharks better than Scandallo! I would never travel overseas just to go to one club, but if I did and the two choices were Sharks or Scandallo there's no question about which one I would choose. Scandallo is a much more upscale place with way hotter women who perform off the charts (personally never had a bad session there)! Given that I like to do hour-long sessions with BBBJ, CIM mouth option, and anal we're easily talking at least 300 euros (plus the price of admission) at Sharks. At the same time at Scandallo, and given the current exchange rate, I'm going to pay $100 to get in with most of that being a consumption fee, and then a one-hour session with a hot girl with everything I like included I can get for another $200 (plus the cost of the room) if I know how to bargain (I do). A lot nicer, a little cheaper, with way hotter and better performing girls on average. You know what I say. Scandallo! The baddest puta palace on the planet!
Wayne Roberts
03-21-23, 17:25
On first impression Scandallo is the best women house in the world. But I believe this community has to stick together and make a stand against absolutely ridiculous prices.
I don't think that expats have much influence, that club is for the locals by the locals.
The other thing to consider is that a lot of those women are supermodel level. I get the price is high, but quite frankly I can't fuck women like that for less than 1000 an hour in Australia and they do not perform anything near what these Brazilian women do.
Lastly, the overall experience is fantastic. Food is good, the club is amazing, the rooms are good, the staff are great and the amount of women is insane.
I can understand why people order a bottle, when I was there with friends we drink whiskey and we ended up doing the same. Same at Bomboa.
Hey,
I'll be and SP until Saturday. If anyone wants to check out one of the clubs let me know. I am thinking of going to Scandallo tonight (Tuesday) but the latest report of 3000 makes me hesitant to try it.
The closest I remember from Latin America being like Scandallo, is Mexico DF from the Early 2000's in the "Zona Rosa" Area. There was a club named Platynum and that was the only time I saw jaw dropping Russian escorts at the**g dealer prices.
Chile has the Cafe with Legs (Cafe con piernas) which have different vibe and not all girls are working girls.
Peru. Fu see k that, only bricheras (locals who date gringos) and venies at the streets with all the risk that involves.
Colombia. Yeah, that's good. Medellin has good clubs.
Argentina, promo models and girls from Telegram groups, there is quite good talent.
But nothing near to Brazilian clubs. Nothing near to Scandallo which is the Maracana of Sex.
The great amount of women has its own word in brazilian portugues: Mulherada! The massive flood of women of all kinds.
* When I go to Berlin I will talk about that. Didn't have the great luck yet.
Hey,
I'll be and SP until Saturday. If anyone wants to check out one of the clubs let me know. I am thinking of going to Scandallo tonight (Tuesday) but the latest report of 3000 makes me hesitant to try it.
Hey,
I'll be and SP until Saturday. If anyone wants to check out one of the clubs let me know. I am thinking of going to Scandallo tonight (Tuesday) but the latest report of 3000 makes me hesitant to try it.I will be here until Sunday. Can't PM you. I am going there tomorrow and tonite to Bomboa.
I just landed in SP today (Tuesday morning) and got to visit 2 clinicas this afternoon. Hellen of Abbobora, 22 year old tall with white skin. Amazing BJ and great personality, only cost me 350 R. Then I went to clinica Carinas, had a MILF Donna, she has a teenager's face and MILF's body, exactly my type! Also gave great BJ and ball licking, total damage is 380 R. This is my first time in SP and I already had 2 great sessions! I was going to Scanallo to see why everyone highly recommend this place, but not I am not so sure, why should I pay 500 R entrance fees plus 1000 R plus for one session when I can only the same in a clinica for 1/5 of the cost. What do you guys think?
I will be here until Sunday. Can't PM you. I am going there tomorrow and tonite to Bomboa.
Lastly, the overall experience is fantastic. Food is good, the club is amazing ...Did they finally recruit a cook? Because the times I've been there I found the food underwhelming. Grossly overpriced and inferior to what I could get at any shopping mall food court. I remember ordering some meat with cheese sauce where the meat was mostly fat, which is unacceptable in a meat paradise like Brazil. Do I have wayward tastes in food?
I also hated never knowing how big a chunk of my consumable entry I'd already spent. Part of their policy I suppose, so that customers either overshoot or underspend their allowance.
Did they finally recruit a cook? Because the times I've been there I found the food underwhelming. Grossly overpriced and inferior to what I could get at any shopping mall food court. I remember ordering some meat with cheese sauce where the meat was mostly fat, which is unacceptable in a meat paradise like Brazil. Do I have wayward tastes in food? I also hated never knowing how big a chunk of my consumable entry I'd already spent. Part of their policy I suppose, so that customers either overshoot or underspend their allowance.I don't know what you've ordered and how it was prepared, but I've only had quite tasty meals at the sit-down Scandallo restaurant. And both preparation and presentation was far superior than anything to be found at your typical mall food court. The last time I remember having some tuna shashimi that was very good. Never had a bad meal or a bad fuck at Scandallo! And I have never had a problem keeping track of how much I've spent towards the consumable portion of the entry fee either. Before I enter the guy always explains very clearly how much goes towards the "consumo". Then when I order any food or drink I always ask for the price and keep track in my mind of how much I'm spending against the consumo. Easy and never had a problem with spending more than I wanted to. It's my obligation to know how much I'm spending, and there's nothing about Scandallo that makes that hard to do.
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I just landed in SP today (Tuesday morning) and got to visit 2 clinicas this afternoon. Hellen of Abbobora, 22 year old tall with white skin. Amazing BJ and great personality, only cost me 350 R. Then I went to clinica Carinas, had a MILF Donna, she has a teenager's face and MILF's body, exactly my type! Also gave great BJ and ball licking, total damage is 380 R. This is my first time in SP and I already had 2 great sessions! I was going to Scanallo to see why everyone highly recommend this place, but not I am not so sure, why should I pay 500 R entrance fees plus 1000 R plus for one session when I can only the same in a clinica for 1/5 of the cost. What do you guys think?For the experience bro! The experience. Why go all the way down there and at least not check it out once so you can decide for yourself. Some like it. Some don't. Go and form your own impressions and conclusions and that will be the end of wondering why. I'm an equal opportunity monger LOL! When in a place like Sao Paulo I'm looking at nightclubs, clinicas, online escorts, everything! Be the kind of guy who ultimately decides for yourself versus letting total strangers on a website overly influence you one way or the other. I will say this much though. If it's MILFs you crave the most, then Scandallo absolutely won't be for you. I'm confident in telling you that much. But I still say that if you have the coin then check it out. You would have to pay the entrance fee (most of it for consumption) but no obligation to take a tute to a room.
Steve 9696
03-22-23, 12:48
I just landed in SP today (Tuesday morning) and got to visit 2 clinicas this afternoon. Hellen of Abbobora, 22 year old tall with white skin. Amazing BJ and great personality, only cost me 350 R. Then I went to clinica Carinas, had a MILF Donna, she has a teenager's face and MILF's body, exactly my type! Also gave great BJ and ball licking, total damage is 380 R. This is my first time in SP and I already had 2 great sessions! I was going to Scanallo to see why everyone highly recommend this place, but not I am not so sure, why should I pay 500 R entrance fees plus 1000 R plus for one session when I can only the same in a clinica for 1/5 of the cost. What do you guys think?You don't go to Scandallo to have sex with a pretty girl. You can do that anywhere. Including the clinicas as you found. You go to Scandallo for the EXPERIENCE. If you like going out to clubs and you have the coin, then you should def do it. There is no place like it worldwide and if you are there you should def do it. If you don't like the club scene and drinking and dancing with the hotties then def skip it. Because the sex is the same. As an alternative if you want to toe dip but at a lower cost then go to Casarao. Doesn't have the size glitz or luxe vibe of Scandallo but a fun "upscale bar" experience with tons of hotties for half the price.
I don't know you from Adam but it sounds like $$ might matter a bit. If you would spend $100 in your daily life without a second thought — like pocket change — then hit up Scandallo. If your funny money bar is lower hit up Casarao. And if you don't like the night club scene then skip it altogether.
I have been to FKK sharks many times, and the same with Scandallo. My last visit to FKK Sharks was a couple of months ago. I don't agree with you that Sharks is better than Scandallo.I get it that the physical club itself and facilities at Scandallo are superior to that of Sharks but what about the women? Are the women at Scandallo hotter than those at Sharks?
You don't go to Scandallo to have sex with a pretty girl. You can do that anywhere. Including the clinicas as you found. You go to Scandallo for the EXPERIENCE. If you like going out to clubs and you have the coin, then you should def do it. There is no place like it worldwide and if you are there you should def do it. If you don't like the club scene and drinking and dancing with the hotties then def skip it. Because the sex is the same. As an alternative if you want to toe dip but at a lower cost then go to Casarao. Doesn't have the size glitz or luxe vibe of Scandallo but a fun "upscale bar" experience with tons of hotties for half the price.
I don't know you from Adam but it sounds like $$ might matter a bit. If you would spend $100 in your daily life without a second thought like pocket change then hit up Scandallo. If your funny money bar is lower hit up Casarao. And if you don't like the night club scene then skip it altogether.Couldn't have said it better myself! The only little quibble I have is that you gave the impression that the girls are all pretty much the same, and with this I don't agree. Another reason why I like Scandallo so much is that per my tastes it has the absolute hottest girls. I take issue with anybody who says the clinica girls look as good. Not to me they don't! As I've said before, I'm a rational man. If the clinica girls were as hot as the Scandallo crowd at relatively cut rate prices, then don't you think I would be shouting to the rooftops that the clinicas are better LOL? I would, but to my eye it's not true that the clinica girls on average are as attractive as the Scandallo girls. And I get annoyed with guys who see a Scandallo girl working at a clinica and then come in here and say it's the same girls at both places. No it isn't, and that's not true just because you happened to see one (or maybe even a few) working at both. Scandallo is the "baddest" and that's that! My caveat is that I have not been to the "new" Casarao. The renovations look nice. Lots of good reports. And if those reports are all true, and I have no reason to doubt them, then I would say that Casarao has stepped up its game as a serious competitor to Scandallo. Can't wait for when I have an opportunity to check it out!
I visited the famous Scandallo last night (Tuesday) arriving around 9 PM. The main club / performance area was being set up with most of the action happening in the bar, restaurant and patio area. I must admit, it was a bit overwhelming to have so many 8's+ casually strolling around waiting to be chatted up. I found a table and started to look at the room to see who was to my liking. There was almost EVERY body type to choose from. Reading the previous reports, I was not a believer that this place was as plentiful since so many guys like to embellish their experience, but now, I am a believer. WOW!
After a few minutes I saw a slim woman with a really great booty and called her over. Her english was decent and we were able to communicate. Where I made a mistake was not being more direct in what I wanted. I prefer BBBJ 99.9% of the time. She was only CBJ and claimed she was really good at it, she was not. Because she had the type of body I loved I decided to go with the her to a room. Next misstep was not negotiating the price, she quoted R1,500. Reflecting on the session, she was not worth the rate. While she was pretty, great body and personality, the session was below average. She was not a deadfish but no passion at all.
I'll chalk round 1 up to me not being firmer and getting my feet wet at Scandallo. If I go back during this trip I'll be more direct in my what I want in a session.
... but not I am not so sure, why should I pay 500 R entrance fees plus 1000 R plus for one session when I can only the same in a clinica for 1/5 of the cost. What do you guys think?It's not the same but you have to keep your expectation in check to have better experience. You have to look at entrance fee differently. 500 does not really go that far if you spend enough time in it. It's an expensive place like other expensive restaurants. The girl typically will stay with you for a long time before going to the room so that should be taken into account if you enjoy something extra than just sex alone. Some locals will hoard the girl for very long time that way.
...the session was below average. She was not a deadfish but no passion at all....You have to screen them by making out with them in the club first. That will give you an indication how they will perform in the room. You could even just make out lying down on the sofa by the elevator or on the one in the videogame/pool table area under the stairs. That is how far you can go publicly.
I just landed in SP today (Tuesday morning) and got to visit 2 clinicas this afternoon. Hellen of Abbobora, 22 year old tall with white skin. Amazing BJ and great personality, only cost me 350 R. Then I went to clinica Carinas, had a MILF Donna, she has a teenager's face and MILF's body, exactly my type! Also gave great BJ and ball licking, total damage is 380 R. This is my first time in SP and I already had 2 great sessions! I was going to Scanallo to see why everyone highly recommend this place, but not I am not so sure, why should I pay 500 R entrance fees plus 1000 R plus for one session when I can only the same in a clinica for 1/5 of the cost. What do you guys think?You shouldn't go. But do tell. Where did you fly from to Brazil from and why? Was it work that bought you in or did you come because you heard about the girls in Brazil? If you flew down here for the girls, then why would you miss out on the BADDEST FUCKING PLACE ON THE PLANET FOR GIRLS? If it is cost that is stopping you just do this. Go early in the day and pay 1/2 the entry fee and use it all for drinks and just hang out all night till you have had enough and the head home to wank one out😜.
I just landed in SP today (Tuesday morning) and got to visit 2 clinicas this afternoon. Hellen of Abbobora, 22 year old tall with white skin. Amazing BJ and great personality, only cost me 350 R. Then I went to clinica Carinas, had a MILF Donna, she has a teenager's face and MILF's body, exactly my type! Also gave great BJ and ball licking, total damage is 380 R. This is my first time in SP and I already had 2 great sessions! I was going to Scanallo to see why everyone highly recommend this place, but not I am not so sure, why should I pay 500 R entrance fees plus 1000 R plus for one session when I can only the same in a clinica for 1/5 of the cost. What do you guys think?There's always been Scandallo detractors. Don't let some recent chatter from a few members spook you.
If one has mongered in North America and anywhere else in the world recently, you know that prices for escorts has gone up like everything else. It is what it is.
GeneveCalling1
03-22-23, 21:26
Excellent post. But if wealthy locals pay those prices there is nothing we, foreign mongers, can do. I agree, rates are outrageous relative to the cost of living or local salaries. Also, no matter how much you pay, good service is never guaranteed, and there is nothing you can do, because they are freelancers.I've spoken with many Scandallo girls about this and they quote locals completely different prices. Locals pay 500-800 BRL for 1 hour, with a local they will start asking 1000 BRL for 1 hour, but then settle down. Absolute stunners will ask 1.500 BRL for 1 hour but they have a strategy of only going with 1 client per night.
For Pernoite I've had Scandallo girls accept 1500 BRL.
Cafe Photo, Casarão, Bomboa, are much much better options.
In Western Europe if you use websites you can pay the equivalent to 500 BRL to 1500 BRL for 1 hour in the girls flat, price depending on the country, why am I enabling in Brazil prices of 1500 BRL + 500 BRL (for entry) + XXX BRL for room? I don't care how much money there is or there isn't in my bank account, it doesn't make sense at all.
Steve 9696
03-22-23, 21:28
I get it that the physical club itself and facilities at Scandallo are superior to that of Sharks but what about the women? Are the women at Scandallo hotter than those at Sharks?Noting of course that you must like Latinas. But if you like Latinas and Romanians equally well no question on balance Scandallo girls are hotter and a lot more of them. Some of the fatties and grannies I see in Sharks would never dare come to Scandallo (because what they have to pay to be there would never pay back). Scandallo has consistent quality across the board. And as I said in my report prob 250 girls most all 7+. Waaaay more than Sharks. Girl quality is no contest imo.
You have to screen them by making out with them in the club first. That will give you an indication how they will perform in the room. You could even just make out lying down on the sofa by the elevator or on the one in the videogame/pool table area under the stairs. That is how far you can go publicly.I wouldn't rely on pre-screening. They are being nice and flirty, and do whatever it takes to get you choose them. But once in the room, it is always a gamble. And since they are freelancers, you can't complain to the management that she did CBJ instead of BBBJ.
You have to screen them by making out with them in the club first. That will give you an indication how they will perform in the room. You could even just make out lying down on the sofa by the elevator or on the one in the videogame/pool table area under the stairs. That is how far you can go publicly.She bounced in between being cool and being flirty. I didn't think about making out with her or start feeling her up because I didn't see anyone else feeling anyone up or making out. I'll know better for next time.
I wouldn't rely on pre-screening. They are being nice and flirty, and do whatever it takes to get you choose them. But once in the room, it is always a gamble. And since they are freelancers, you can't complain to the management that she did CBJ instead of BBBJ.This is very true. This goes for all providers. They will say whatever to get you in the room or to their place and then pull back after you have your naked.
I wouldn't rely on pre-screening. They are being nice and flirty, and do whatever it takes to get you choose them. But once in the room, it is always a gamble. And since they are freelancers, you can't complain to the management that she did CBJ instead of BBBJ.Sure, there's a chance that even if she makes out like a high school girl in heat in the club she'll be a dead fish in the room. But there's a much, much smaller chance that she'll be a dead fish in the club and turn into a tiger in the room.
SandStorm20
03-23-23, 03:14
Will be landing in Sao Paulo Thursday morning. Can't wait!
Heard a lot about this city, should be fun. Medellin has always been my favorite, but time to mix it up a bit.
Anyone wanting to link up to check a couple of clubs and clinicas, PM.
Will report soon.
SS.
I also tell the girls in the club that if she doesn't perform as per our agreed terms, I will cancel the session and not pay. I explain that if I am paying for it, I want it my way. If she is giving it for free then we do it her way. Her decision at that point. And I have yet to be disappointed especially in Brazil.
Wayne Roberts
03-23-23, 10:12
I also tell the girls in the club that if she doesn't perform as per our agreed terms, I will cancel the session and not pay. I explain that if I am paying for it, I want it my way. If she is giving it for free then we do it her way. Her decision at that point. And I have yet to be disappointed especially in Brazil.Jesus imagine having this conversation hahaha, I could not imagine a bigger mood killer.
Our hobby can be hit and miss sometimes, but you cannot force chemistry or human connection either and they regular women outside of their line of work. Its up to you to gauge them beforehand too mate. You are not buying a can of beans off a shelf. Its one thing to negotiate services, but to do it using threats and warnings is next level.
I need advice. I got a number from a woman in Scandallo and she will not budge from her asking price. From what I have been reading in this forum, so many guys negotiate the price down to R800 and she wants R1300 which seems high compared to a few porn stars who charge the same and you can record. Even high end ladies are R800 and she is not high end but has a great personality. I want to stand firm on my price of R800 but don't want to lose her but I have no problem doing that. Any suggestions?
She bounced in between being cool and being flirty. I didn't think about making out with her or start feeling her up because I didn't see anyone else feeling anyone up or making out. I'll know better for next time...I have reported before two girls were playing with a local's little guy on the sofa by the entrance fully dressed. Everyone looking can see he had an erection and the girls kept it that way. LOL. You need to be clear and definitely do not want to be shy about what you want, otherwise you will be taken advantage of. If after an hour of screening, she can still scam you, then you have met a very good actress. That is my take on it. You can simply ask about kissing politely, Do you like kissing? Ask her to show you if she says yes. It should be full on without reservation. The chance to take a bad one is very low.
I would suggest you to go to any other luxury boate at the 300 BRL pricepoint (apart from Bahamas which is a shithole).
Casaro in rua Augusta is also good. You need to be vaccinated before you go there almost. You need to ignore the fact that that group there in the corner with 5 guys is clearly the top branch of a local drug cartel, not every night is good. But for a 30/50 BRL entry fee you can go there 10 different days before you reach Scandallo prices. And in Casaro you find that girl that doesn't know what she is doing, that just arrived to So Paulo, and is a true diamond in the rough. Act quickly though, because others also realise that.Hi,
Everyone talking about Scandallo good or bad. Now I hear of Casaro. Is there a good list and recommendation to other places in Sao Paulo to find good working girls? Can you please share some pointers?
Best,
Aviv.
I have reported before two girls were playing with little guy of a local on the sofa fully dressed. Everyone looking can see he had an erection and the girls kept it that way. LOL. You need to be clear and definitely do not want to be shy about what you want, otherwise you will be taken advantage of. If after an hour of screening, she can still scam you, then you have met a very good actress. That is my take on it. You can simply ask about kissing politely, Do you like kissing? Ask her to show you if she says yes. It should be full on without reservation.Definitely. I am firm in the states so I should be firm in my wants here especially at the price being asked. Live and learn.
Jesus imagine having this conversation hahaha, I could not imagine a bigger mood killer.
Our hobby can be hit and miss sometimes, but you cannot force chemistry or human connection either and they regular women outside of their line of work. Its up to you to gauge them beforehand too mate. You are not buying a can of beans off a shelf. Its one thing to negotiate services, but to do it using threats and warnings is next level.I think what he does is great. Eliminates a lot of uncertainty. BTW, he is not forcing her to do anything, it is completely up to the girl to decide if she is okay with whatever he wants or not. She can always say "no, thanks" and move on. He is a paying customer and needs to be sure he will get what he pays for. And I agree, this kind of conversation might be a turn off, but when I'm paying top dollar I want to have a great session, not a mediocre one. I would not expect much from a $50 clinica girl, but I expect top notch service from a $300 hooker.
I think what he does is great. Eliminates a lot of uncertainty. BTW, he is not forcing her to do anything, it is completely up to the girl to decide if she is okay with whatever he wants or not. She can always say "no, thanks" and move on. He is a paying customer and needs to be sure he will get what he pays for. And I agree, this kind of conversation might be a turn off, but when I'm paying top dollar I want to have a great session, not a mediocre one. I would not expect much from a $50 clinica girl, but I expect top notch service from a $300 hooker.Exactly. These girls aren't new to the game. They have heard everything and more. What I am saying is innocent stuff. We hammer out a simple verbal contract and then move forward to the playtime. Either she can accept the terms or move on and vice versa. If she insisted on CBJ, I am out. There are plenty of girls and guys for that matter.
Axel Heyst
03-23-23, 19:32
Jesus imagine having this conversation hahaha, I could not imagine a bigger mood killer.
Our hobby can be hit and miss sometimes, but you cannot force chemistry or human connection either and they regular women outside of their line of work. Its up to you to gauge them beforehand too mate. You are not buying a can of beans off a shelf. Its one thing to negotiate services, but to do it using threats and warnings is next level.MiamiBoy & Anaggie, I have to agree with WR on this. It is a mood killer without a doubt and frankly I wonder why you guys think negotiations with a boate girl is necessary or even productive. I never pre negotiate or make specific requests. I always flirt with the girls I am interested in and I always offer these girls a drink, and I always test drive the girl (you guys know what I mean) before we talk about going upstairs.
If or when a girl passes the audition is when it is the time to find out how much she wants. I already know her ballpark figure before she tells me. If a girl quotes me 1000 br or less I usually counter offer 600 br. She can accept it or say no. They almost always accept. If we are still only 100 BR apart I usually accept her offer. If a girl asks for something north of 1000 BR I counter with half her offer and I am prepared to pay her half + 200. This is assuming the girl is a Tier 1 looker so I anticipated she would be asking large before I even said OI, but if she is a Tier 2 girl and asking more than a 1000 BR then she is clearly out of her mind. KKK. And I will move on unless she comes to her senses fast.
My results: I never had a bad session in a SP Boate. Some girls are as good as I thought they would be. Many girls are even better than I thought they would be. And a few girls are adequate, but nothing to write home about, but they still did what they needed to do to show me a decent time and it was just for one reason or another that we did not click and set off 4th of July firecrackers. It happens occasionally, even in Brazil because not all girls can be superstars in bed. But I never had a boate girl who did not give me passionate & wet DFK's, a good BBBJ, and covered vaginal sex in multiple positions. Then once in a while, I will have a girl who wants me to cum in her mouth. Once in a while I have a girl who will bareback. Occasionally I have paid 100 BR to 200 BR extra for BBFS. And, once in a while a girl will offer anal sex which I usually turn down unless it is with no additional charge, and I am in the mood.
So, I will conclude my take on this discussion by simply saying why would I want to fuck around with a winning strategy 30 years in practice globally. I am already 95% confident of having a very good boate session based on the girl's attitude and the vibe during the audition stage of the evening before we even get down to talk price let alone head to the elevators. Spelling everything out beforehand removes all the spontaneity and to what end. I don't get it. Surprise me baby. Let's see what you got! My experience thus far in Brazil is that a large majority of my Brazilian girls live up to or exceed my expectations in bed. They seem to want to fuck passionately and have as good a time as I do. So, I am not going to change a thing. But YMMV. Good luck.
A. H.
RonhinCruz
03-24-23, 01:31
So I am with my friend in Brazil and he has never mongered or been to a boaete or even strip club. He is interested in going (we only have this Saturday night in Sao Paulo and I think he would be most comfortable in a quieter club atmosphere. Definitely not Casarao where I went before. He probably won't session but wants to just talk to girls and feel the vibe in a relaxed place. Which places would you recommend? I didn't make it out tonscadallo and I may want to save that for when he is more comfortable. I have done mostly the clinicals here. Suggestions?
BigButtDetecto
03-24-23, 01:35
There's always been Scandallo detractors. Don't let some recent chatter from a few members spook you.
If one has mongered in North America and anywhere else in the world recently, you know that prices for escorts has gone up like everything else. It is what it is.Prices have gone up but not to this magnitude; you can't compare the prices to those in US; girls in the US are not affordable for most american and its illegal. You should compare it to Colombia or Peru where its much much cheaper for the same service.
Prices have gone up but not to this magnitude; you can't compare the prices to those in US; girls in the US are not affordable for most american and its illegal. You should compare it to Colombia or Peru where its much much cheaper for the same service.There's just one problem with your statement. I've never been to Peru but the service in Columbia is not the same. For my purposes and needs service is Brazil is superior. I know both countries very well and have zero desire to monger in Colombia ever again when I know I can go to the best place in the world to monger for me, which is Brazil. I would even go to Germany before going to Colombia.
Saturday almost all boates are crowded and ratio man / woman goes 2/1.
I haven't experienced a night club with working girls for saturdays (I go to dance or concerts during weekends), but Tuesday. Friday Cafe Photo has the vibe your friend is looking for.
So I am with my friend in Brazil and he has never mongered or been to a boaete or even strip club. He is interested in going (we only have this Saturday night in Sao Paulo and I think he would be most comfortable in a quieter club atmosphere. Definitely not Casarao where I went before. He probably won't session but wants to just talk to girls and feel the vibe in a relaxed place. Which places would you recommend? I didn't make it out tonscadallo and I may want to save that for when he is more comfortable. I have done mostly the clinicals here. Suggestions?
Axel Heyst
03-24-23, 03:09
So I am with my friend in Brazil and he has never mongered or been to a boaete or even strip club. He is interested in going (we only have this Saturday night in Sao Paulo and I think he would be most comfortable in a quieter club atmosphere. Definitely not Casarao where I went before. He probably won't session but wants to just talk to girls and feel the vibe in a relaxed place. Which places would you recommend? I didn't make it out to scandallo and I may want to save that for when he is more comfortable. I have done mostly the clinicals here. Suggestions?Saturday may turn out to be your lucky night, RonhinC, because Saturday nights in SP are usually slower and quieter than Wed thru Friday nights. Therefore, I think Scandallo will be perfect for you guys. There will still be plenty of attractive girls all around, but it will feel like a more relaxed environment with fewer people and semi private little spaces in the courtyard to "talk to the girls and feel the vibe. " KKK.
This as opposed to the usual Thursday or Friday nights at Scandallo when the place is near capacity, and it really rocks.
SocratesNY
03-24-23, 04:57
I just returned from a week-long trip to SP and spent 3 and a half nights at Scandallo. It seems a lot of BMs were also there recently. Thank you, guys for all your reports! I will be posting my thoughts and experiences at Scandallo and SP hobbying in general from my recent trip in another post.
As a big fan of Scandallo, I am intrigued by the varying opinions, praise and criticisms of this high end boate, so I will chime in with my 2 dollars (my posts are like novels).
I think the Scandallo is amazing and my favorite hobbying venue in the world, but might not be the best option for others depending on a their aesthetics, mongering patterns and preferences, time in Sao Paulo, economics, sense of value or type of preferred garotas, etc. While I think some of the criticisms of the club are valid, I think many are flawed.
Inflationary Pressures and their Target Audience:
Much of the recent complaints, including my own, about the club focus on the increase in the cover and minimum consumption for entry to the club. The increase has definitely outpaced inflation, whether in Brazil or globally. When I first visited in May of 2021, it was R150 to R200 minimum consumption (all following numbers are in real unless with dollar sign) before 7 pm and 300 (200 min consumption + 100 cover) after 7 pm. Now it is 300 min consumption before 7 pm 500 (300 min consumption + 200 cover) after 7 pm. That's an 50-100% increase in min consumption and 100% increase in the cover after 7 pm. The working girls' entry fee has also increased at a similar pace as it went from 200 to 300 to 350.
Some claims the reason for this steep increase is to keep out the lookey looks guys or to increase the standards / caliber of the girls who work there, e. G. , keep out the riff rafts. Other claim the club increased the cost of entry to recoup their renovation costs during the pandemic. Others blame it on supply chain issues and increase in cost of labor. I think there's a sprinkling of truth of to all the above, but I believe the main reason is that they do it is because they feel they can without losing their targeted demographic, which are RICH men (usually locals, but some visitors, and many celebrities, musicians and professional athletes) or businessmen with big expense accounts. You might not like to hear it, but their target audience isn't most of the folks posting on this forum. They will gladly take your money, but could give a shit if you took your business elsewhere. It won't dent their bottom line one bit.
Their ideal customers are those that come in groups and party and drink lots of high end booze, with hot, flirty and available women being the environment to encourage and help with with drinking. Sure they make money from the food, hotel and exit fees, but that's not their bread and butter. Those are ancillary services to sell their main product, which also isn't the girls. Selling high priced liquor and also collecting admission to do so in this men's paradise of an environment is their money maker.
It just comes down to the rich got richer and the poor got poorer during the pandemic and the club is looking to take advantage of this, as their clientele can afford the increase. Heck, if it wasn't for the crazy weak real, many of us on this forum, me included, wouldn't be visiting Scandallo on a regular or infrequent basis. So I thank my lucky stars for the strong dollar / euro / pound vs the real and hope that doesn't change anytime soon, as I find Brazilian women to be amazing!
While I don't like the increase in the min consumption or the cover, it's still a drop in the bucket in the whole scheme of things. We are talking about a 100 increase in cover ($20 USD) and a 100 increase in consumption, and just about anyone would spend the new 300 consumption anyway, unless you are only drinking soda or water and don't eat and maybe buy 1-2 drinks for the girls you talk to. If you are that type of spender, you aren't a valued customer to them and they don't really value your opinion or business. Even if every forum member who would have went to Scandallo boycotted the place, it would not move the needle in the club's management's view on their pricing model.
Spending $40 USD on cove and $60 on drinks and food at a club is chump change for any high end establishment in just about any big developed city in the world. And Sao Paulo is the financial capital of Latin America with the most millionaires in South America, with a diverse population. You will pay more than a $40 cover at most high end clubs at any big city around the world, from New York, LA, Vegas, Miami, London, Paris, Madrid, Barcelona, Berlin, Zurich, Tokyo, Singapore, Bangkok, Jakarta, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Seoul, Sydney, to Buenos Aires. And that's just some of the cities I've paid similar or much higher cover charge / min consumption to visit a high end club, whether it's a civilian club or one with lots of independent working girls. When looking at it through that lens, it is basically a ZERO to $20 USD increase for admission for most visitor. We've had it really good for a long time and this MINOR adjustment might be overdue. Especially if you do not discount / lump in the minimum consumption with the cover and basically claim you get nothing from the consumption.
Venue Type:
Complaints about Scandallo for NOT BEING THE VENUE TYPE THEY WANT IT TO BE, rather than ACCEPTING IT FOR WHAT IT IS. Is just illogical IMHO. I don't get pissed at clinicas for not having lots of super models. I don't get upset at not having Michelin quality meals at McDonal's. I don't get pissed off at economy class on commercial flights not having a flat bed and dine on demand meals. I also don't get pissed at lions for being carnivores.
Scandallo IS NOT a brothel or freelancer bar where the girls line up and wait on you to choose them. For that you can go to Thermae or the Maria in Bangkok, Malioboro in Jakarta, FKKs in Germany / Switzerland, countless places in Spain, etc. Scandallo is a bar, restaurant, disco where there is a high cost of admission (at least for locals) which brings together men (and a few ladies) of means with hot women who are willing to provide companionship for some paper. It might facilitate P4 P activities, but the other aspects of the venue can't be ignored, where lots of drinking and socializing are involved.
Most of the guys aren't trying to impress the girls with their drinking or socializing. They have expensive bottle of liquor and VIP booths because they enjoy drinking the good stuff and hanging with their friends, co-workers, family members, etc. While surrounded by beautiful women who are willing to offer them companionship and sex for what's in their pants. Specifically the money in their wallet. They spend what you consider "ridiculous amounts of money" to have fun. To them. It's just "money".
You might consider it a *house, but IT IS NOT. It might easily facilitate P4 P action, but the girls are independent and have free will. They can turn you down with a flat "No Thanks", reject you by quoting an insane price, not taking what they don't feel is fair to them to spend time with you, make an excuse they are waiting on a client, etc.
You might also not consider it to be a nightclub, but IT IS a nightclub at night. Many guys go there with ZERO intention of taking a girl to a room in the hotel or out of the cub. Quite a lot guys just go to Scandallo to drink and socialize with friends and grope, dance with, make out, look at pretty women. Some might take digits for an outside rendezvous, while others just hang and let their friends have fun. It is just a nightclub with the option of easy P4 P if you wish to partake and have the coin, which isn't the same as a *house or brothel, with set rates and few girls can say no to you.
What I love about Scandallo is that it a different venue with a different vibe at different times during the day. In the afternoon, it's more chill and you see different types of girls working there. In the early evening, it AMPS up a bit without being too louds or crazy. During late night, it can be a madhouse of debauchery.
If the above is not your cup of tea, there are countless other hobbying venues in Sao Paulo and Brazil in general for you to have your fun, and hopefully in an environment and venue that more suits your hobbying style. During my most recent trip, I went to other boates from low brow Casarao to homely Bomboa, to high end clinicas / massage places like the Palms and Oro Spa, to good value clinicas popular with the locals like Tangara and Prime and even dabbled in online escorts and SA for the first time in Sampa.
Pricing or Value of Girls:
I've seen the pricing go up from early 2021 to present day in regards to what the girls quote and are willing to accept. Hobbying inflation has outpaced normal inflation, in part due to the break many girls and clients took during the pandemic. Girls coming back to work want to make up for lost income. Guys missing out on their fun and with increased savings from not hobbying, are also willing to open their pocketbooks. With that said, I haven't found it to be too much of an increase compared to other cities I've hobbied at during and after the pandemic.
In 2021, I was getting:
Quoted:800 to 1,000 and they accepted 5-700 for 1 hour.
Quoted 1,000 to 1,500 and accepted 800 to 1200 for overnights.
In 2022, I was getting:
Quoted 800 to 1,2000 for one hour and they accepted 6-800 for 1 hour.
Quoted 1,000 to 2,000, but quickly accepted 1,000 to 1,500 for overnights.
Now in 2023, I've been.
Quoted 800 to 1,500 and accepted 600 to 1,000 for one hour.
Quoted 1,000 to 3,500 and accepted 1,000 to 2,000 for overnights.
It was mostly the ceiling that increased, as the floor prices can still be had.
I usually ignored the 3,000+ quotes, and the few I tried to negotiate with usually didn't budge so I moved on. Luckily, 90% of them weren't my type anyway. I did make one exception and it was one of the best nights I had in SP.
So from MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, the inflation wasn't that high compared to other hobbying locales, and I've mongered at FKKs in Europe, gogos, strip clubs, soapies, indy pickup bars in SE Asia and Latin America and online escorts and massage places in the US. All those places saw a 40 to 150% increase in hobbying prices.
At the end of the day, it also comes down to YMMV and what you bring to the able when it comes to negotiating prices with girls at Scandallo. They aren't clinica girls you just point and shoot and pay a set price. The prices you get quoted and what they accept depends a lot on how you present yourself in terms of looks, hygiene, personality, negotiating skills, ability to read the girl, ability to make her laugh or charm her. I am not saying that if you look like DiCaprio and don't flash much cash, that the girls will sleep with you for free or give you a super steep discount. Although, one time a girl INSISTED I take her up to the room for a free session (I still had to pay for the hotel fee) because I was not happy with how our last meeting went and she wanted to make sure she rocked my world (and she did) so I didn't think poorly of her.
I've had friends and heard stories from friends about situations where they totally got hustled on pricing, usually on their first visit, as they had the deer in the headlights look, and got taken advantage of. One personal friend paid almost 3 x more than I've ever paid at that point in time, for an overnight. When his pernoite was done, he had no regrets and he might have had gotten very good value. The girl was a nymphomaniac and they went at it all night. Past sunrise and she didn't let him rest until it was time for Sunday brunch! It was some of the best sex he ever had. Another friend of a friend paid a similar amount on his first visit for JUST ONE HOUR, and unfortunately only had a mediocre session. He ignored his friend's advice to check with him about pricing before going up to the room, but ignored his advice. He learned his lesson and is now having a blast in SP, while paying more appropriate pricing.
With that said, I've met girls who are level headed, not just about money and quite balanced. Many of them are so hot that they usually can find a guy to take them out of the club within a few of hours of entering the club. I've seen some of those on a regular basis and they tell me they are selective about who they choose and just want a fun time with good company. They also sometimes would charge less to those guys as they find their "job" less tiring and demanding than the "party crowd" and are forward thinking, as they are after repeat business with guys they like and perhaps hook a rich sugar daddy to take them on trips and nice dates. Some of these girls only drop by the club when they have an opening in their busy schedule, as they are usually either traveling with clients or seeing them outside the club on a regular basis or have professional pursuits that take up a lot of their time.
One constant argument about high pricing involves rolling in the cost of the cover and consumption into the cost of a "fuck". That's disingenuous, as it discounts all the value you get from paying your cover and consumption. Here is what I feel I get from my cover and consumption.
I get to be in a posh and luxurious environment to hang with friends, or if solo, a relaxed and comfortable place to meet higher quality working girls. The environment brings a lot of higher end women in one place for me to peruse and choose. Many of them are highly educated professionals or talented artists or beautiful models. I've met doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, artists, grad students, actresses and print / commercial models. Some just work at the club infrequently, as they might be going through a bit of a rough patch, want to buy something nice for a special occasion, are single parents who need a quick boost, saving for school / new career, etc. I've even met a few who came from a silver spoon upbrining with good paying jobs and just love sex and being wine and dined. As they like to put it, "they like to spend their money on themselves on their own wants, but like to have a guy spoil them as well. " In the club, they can have the best of both worlds without any attachments or drama.
I get to see the goods up close and personal, without worrying about IG filters, etc. I can take my time and get to know them and see if we might be a good fit and whether their personality would lead to a good time. I can't do that vetting at a clinica or with an online escort or on a SA site (without spending a lot of time and energy, which I value). Scandallo brings all the girls to the yard and creates an ideal environment for me to pick and choose. I certainly see a ton of value in that and would gladly pay the 200 cover.
As for the consumption, you get what you pay for, although at an inflated price, but that's the same at any high end club. No one is forcing you to blow through 1,500 to 3,000 in consumption. If you are frugile, you can still eat just fine and drink okay with the 300 consumptions. Many of my friends are able to have a nice dinner and a few drinks on that consumption so it's not super pricey. It's not like they are charging you 300 for water.
Perhaps you get zero value from the above, but if that's the case, what are you doing in a place like Scandallo, when you can go to a point and shoot hobbying venue?
Something not praised much on the forums (which I find curious) is the amazingly beneficial value in Brazilian hooker math for pernoite / overnights. It is usually just 50 to 100% more than a 1 hour session. For at most 2 x the hourly rate, you can get up to 12 to 16 hours with a girl. Sometimes it might be as little as 2-3 hours if a girl wants to leave after you pop, but that's why it's important to define the parameters of the overnight with the girl. Most of my overnights with Scandallo girls lasted from dinner until a late breakfast in bed or brunch the next day! An overnight in most western hobbying venue would be 6 to 10 x the hourly rate for 12 hours.
Service Negotiation:
I used to use the "Go with the Flow" approach and trust my gut and people reading skills when it comes to the "vetting process". I usually buy a drink for a girl I am interested in and we shoot the breeze. I try to gauge her personality and demeanor and what I can read in her eyes (I used to pay A LOT of poker, which comes in handy) to determine if we have chemistry and would be a good fit. It worked just fine most of the time, but those few slips through the cracks did irk me and I have refined my approach.
Now when I "interview" a girl, I do what I usually do, but when I believe we are a good fit and I would be willing to "pull the trigger" and take her out of the club (I prefer pernoite over 1 hour "test run" sessions), I would tactfully and deftly ask some service oriented questions. I don't ask outright whether you do service A, be, see or the. Instead, I usually ask her what she likes in bed as I want to respect her boundaries and that mutual respect is important, which I believe as well. I don't want a girl grudgingly doing a service they don't enjoy or just outright lie and then reneg.
Usually they would either act shy or say they like everything and likes to please. This usually leaves me with an opening and allows me to say, "since you are shy and really don't want to say. Or that sounds too general and I want to make sure we have a good time, I'll make it easy for you and let you know what I like". I then let them know what I like and want in bed and then I ask them whether they are okay with the services I like / want (DFK, BBBJ, have high energy / stamina, like lots of foreplay and massages, CIM, etc.). As I am generally after a high energy / stamina oriented GFE experience, and don't have any crazy fetishes, they are almost always okay with my service requests. Only 1 or 2 girls every said no, and that was to BBBJ so I cut her loose. On a few occasions, I've even broached the subject of BBFS with a girl that I feel a great connection with and also feel she is "clean". I usually ask her if she has been recently tested or willing to get tested and explain to her that I have recent tests, take PreP and is clipped.
So I don't see a fault in either approach. Whether it's go with the flow or ask in a respectful and / or deft manner. However, I wouldn't go up to a girl at Scandallo with a pre-printed list of service questions in Portuguese and ask her to answer them. I think that would 1) put her on the defensive, 2) have her either say no when it could be a yes when asked the right way or 3) lie outright and give you either the minimal definition of the service or lie and not provide it at all in the room.
I am a firm believer in that if you treat the girls with respect and a person, you GENERALLY will get the same treatment back, especially when a lot of the local Brazilian men (or so I'm told by most of the Scandallo girls I've been with) are basically super macho and treat them like pieces of meat. Afterall, most of us are just after a mutually beneficial relationship / transaction with someone whose company we enjoy. Anything to further that goal is a win-win for both parties.
At the end of the day, I am not trying to tell anyone what is the best way for them to hobby. There are so many options in Sao Paulo. You should do what best works for you! However, it's also unrealistic, a bit arrogant, a little silly to think that those from this forum have much of an impact on how a club like Scandallo functions. Best advice I can give is my opinion on how best to navigate THIS SPECIFIC hobbying environment / venue and extract the best value and experiences you can from such a wonderful (to me) establishment.
SocratesNY
03-24-23, 05:01
Saturday almost all boates are crowded and ratio man / woman goes 2/1.
I haven't experienced a night club with working girls for saturdays (I go to dance or concerts during weekends), but Tuesday. Friday Cafe Photo has the vibe your friend is looking for.I second Cafe Photo fitting the bill for what you are after. It is a much calmer and smaller (both in size and amount of girls, but generally good quality) version of Scandallo. Good high end boate for a newbie to visit.
It's not for me due to the size and quantity of talent, but also a good change of pace.
The Critic
03-24-23, 06:56
I just returned from a week-long trip to SP and spent 3 and a half nights at Scandallo. It seems a lot of BMs were also there recently. Thank you, guys for all your reports! I will be posting my thoughts and experiences at Scandallo and SP hobbying in general from my recent trip in another post.
As a big fan of Scandallo, I am intrigued by the varying opinions, praise and criticisms of this high end boate, so I will chime in with my 2 dollars (my posts are like novels).
I think the Scandallo is amazing and my favorite hobbying venue in the world, but might not be the best option for others depending on a their aesthetics, mongering patterns and preferences, time in Sao Paulo, economics, sense of value or type of preferred garotas, etc. While I think some of the criticisms of the club are valid, I think many are flawed.Well written, many valid points of which I agree with.
They will gladly take your money, but could give a shit if you took your business elsewhere. It won't dent their bottom line one bit.
Great report. Pretty much agree with everything you wrote!
This line is what everyone needs to understand. Boycott it if you want but it won't affect them. The only person it affects is you since you miss out on what Scandello is.
One constant argument about high pricing involves rolling in the cost of the cover and consumption into the cost of a "fuck". That's disingenuous, as it discounts all the value you get from paying your cover and consumption.I agree with this sentiment all the way. People always want to count the price of admission towards the price of a fuck, but this not correct as the admission charge carries its own separate value. At a place like a Scandallo (or a German FKK) you get something in direct exchange for what you paid for access to the club that stands apart from having sex. As you noted, a lot of guys don't even go to the room and enjoy just hanging out with friends and drinking and flirting and taking in the scene. If somebody doesn't value that sort of thing OK so then don't go. Now, I think that the nexus between having to pay extra to occupy a room is close enough to the fuck that it's appropriate to roll that into the overall cost of the fuck. But otherwise the cost of admission is the cost of admission, and the cost of a fuck is the cost of a fuck. They are not one and the same and should be viewed to carry their own separate value.
I just returned from a week-long trip to SP and spent 3 and a half nights at Scandallo. It seems a lot of BMs were also there recently. Thank you, guys for all your reports! I will be posting my thoughts and experiences at Scandallo and SP hobbying in general from my recent trip in another post.
As a big fan of Scandallo, I am intrigued by the varying opinions, praise and criticisms of this high end boate, so I will chime in with my 2 dollars (my posts are like novels).
At the end of the day, I am not trying to tell anyone what is the best way for them to hobby. There are so many options in Sao Paulo. You should do what best works for you! However, it's also unrealistic, a bit arrogant, a little silly to think that those from this forum have much of an impact on how a club like Scandallo functions. Best advice I can give is my opinion on how best to navigate THIS SPECIFIC hobbying environment / venue and extract the best value and experiences you can from such a wonderful (to me) establishment.This such a thoughtful and informative post. Thank you Socrates.
Question for you: After Scandallo, what is currently your 2nd and 3rd favorite places? (Could include casas, escort site, etc).
There is only one point I slightly disagree with: your rationale for why mongering prices are going up worldwide. As with everything in economics, it is fundamentally a question of supply and demand. Demand is going up because a lot more guys are in on the action. This is due the Internet (YouTube, IG, etc) informing everyone, a growing upper-middle class in many countries (Korea, China, now India), and the rich getting richer (as you pointed out). There has also been a decrease in the supply. This is partially due a decline in birth rates. In Brazil, around 1980, a woman on average would give birth to four children. In 2000, it's only two. That means the supply of girls in their 20's is half of what of what it was twenty years ago. There are similar trends in other countries including Thailand. Also, in many countries although the standard of living is low, it is not as low as it was 20 years ago. So women don't need to do this kind of work as much. So we are seeing an increase in prices more than inflation due to both an increase in demand and a decrease in supply (of quality talent). This trend of mongering prices outpacing inflation will only continue.
So I am with my friend in Brazil and he has never mongered or been to a boaete or even strip club. He is interested in going (we only have this Saturday night in Sao Paulo and I think he would be most comfortable in a quieter club atmosphere. Definitely not Casarao where I went before. ...Go to Scandallo because it has everything and why go to the second best. It's only the dance floor in the club area will be crowded. It has a pool tables and videogames, good size restaurants, cafe, large outdoor area. I don't think you will have problem finding quiet on a Saturday.
There's just one problem with your statement. I've never been to Peru but the service in Columbia is not the same. For my purposes and needs service is Brazil is superior. I know both countries very well ....Both are very good, each has it's own advantage. You are just doing it wrong.
Both are very good, each has it's own advantage. You are just doing it wrong.Thanks for telling me how to monger Nounce (rolling eyes). I'm not doing anything "wrong". No, I know what I like and that's what I go for. Brazil and Germany with their termas and FKK cultures are my numbers 1 and 2. How can I even be doing Colombia "wrong" when it doesn't even have anything like that LOL! Of course each has its advantages and disadvantages. I've already considered and weighed those a long time ago and concluded that Colombia's advantages are for me outweighed by the advantages of Brazil and Germany. If you have some advice to offer about mongering in a place fine, but stop telling somebody else they're "doing it wrong". People have their own likes and dislikes, and there is no one "correct way" to monger. I don't know how many times that has to be said. Apparently a lot!
SocratesNY
03-24-23, 21:03
Question for you: After Scandallo, what is currently your 2nd and 3rd favorite places? (Could include casas, escort site, etc).
Scandallo is my favorite place simply because it ranks at the top in almost all the criteria I find important in a hobbying venue for Brazil (quantity of girls, quality of girls, ambiance, setting, comfort, ability to window shop and vet, etc.) The main drawbacks in relations to other venues in Brazil is the cost and minimum time / convenience. I order online, or just drop by for a quick lunch break like I can at a clinica, but those venues' drawbacks usually outweighs the pros for me.
My other favorite places I like to go to depends on my mood and schedule. Going to Scandallo day in and day out can get boring too! Instead, I'll list 5 of my favorite alternatives to Scandallo that I find enjoyable (in no particular oder).
1 a) Oro Spa – Higher end clinica / massage: Decent location, nice modern luxury facilities comparable to a nice spa / 4 star hotel. IPad lineup, helpful management (George, who speaks English is great) that will give you advice on which girl provides good service, has natural body, speaks English, etc. They have a minimum level of guaranteed GFE service provided. They solicit feedback and complaints seriously according to my friends who are regulars. R610 for 60 min.
1 b) The Palms. Higher end clinica / massage: Good central location, luxury facilities with a more natural outdoor feel and cabana rooms. IPad lineup, helpful management (Gabo, who speaks English is great) that will give you advice on which girl provides good service, has natural body, speaks English, etc. They have a minimum level of guaranteed GFE service provided. They solicit feedback and complaints seriously according to my friends who are regulars. R650 for 60 min.
1 c) Lotus Lounge – Similar to 1 a) Oro Spa in almost every way and close to the Palms. They are more tech savy and have videos in the iPad presentation. They also have a member only schedule update with full face pics online. No English speaking management. R650 for 60 min.
2) Casarao – Raunchy, loud and caters to locals and more regular Joes type of club / boate: Very good location near Av. Paulista (Rua Augusta) in a bit seedier part of town. Cheap entry R50 consumption (I didn't ask about the only admission option, but I think it was R30). If you like the sluttier, trashier, MILFier, darker skinned, bigger women with fake assets, then you are in heaven. The place does not lack in quantity and variety of women, but I found the majority to be in the categories I listed above.
The place doesn't get hopping until like midnight, but when it gets busy during the weekdays, it is super packed. The place is bigger than Bomboa and probably similar in size to Café Photo, but just a different layout. At times it feels as busy or busier than Scandallo on musical guest nights. There is a hotel next door and you can also pay an exit fee (R150?) to take a girl out. There is a 40 min (30 min in reality as the extra time is to clean up) for the girls as well as a 70 min option. The girls usually will take for 250-300 for 30 and 300 to 500 for one hour. Overnights can go from 500 to 1,000. So basically about ½ the price of a Scandallo girl.
I've seen some girls from Scandallo, Café Photo and Bomboa come here, after striking out at the first boate. I know they struck out because I saw them at the other club only 2-3 hours ago without any customers! So when guys say you can find Scandallo girls in Casarao, they are technically correct. But they are usually the girls no one found appealing in the first club. So to say average Scandallo girls = average Casarao girls in quality is misleading. But everyone has different tastes so perhaps the trashy PSE look is more your cup of tea.
3 a, be and c) Tangara, Moema Prime and Abbobora – regular clinicas / massage. My 3 favorite clinicas and in good locations. Big lineup, good quality girls, service has a bigger range than the higher end clinicas, but I've had some amazing service from girls at all 3. Pricing is very affordable from 190,240 to 330 (for the 3 different clinicas) for 60 min.
4) Bomboa – Higher end boate: Great convenient location. Has a very homey feel, like you would find in a nice Latina restaurant with live music. The atmosphere and energy is very nice and decently lively, without it being too loud or overbearing. A lot of girls for its size (usually 50-75 girls and smaller than Casarao by a tad). Good variety and lots of pretty young women of all shapes and sizes. Pricing is on average a little less than Scandallo. R5-700 for 60 min and 800 to 1,500 for overnight. It's my main Scandallo backup when I want to see a different set, but similar quality of girls, when compared to Scandallo. Min consumption has been bumped up to R300.
5) Café Photo – Luxury boate: Great convenient location. I've basically given up on Café Photo as a backup to Scandallo, as they have so little women now (anywhere from 25 to 40) and the girls ask for almost as much as Scandallo. I like the logistics (setting, location, service from the staff and lack of an exit fee), but they lack in what matters most, a lot of hot women to choose from. They have 1/6th to 1/10th the amount of girls when compared to Scandallo. The average quality is only slightly worse compared to Scandallo, but when their lineup is so much smaller, you can easily leave the place empty handed if all the hot ones are occupied. I come here only if I want a relaxing change of pace with a shorter uber ride from my hotel. R350 admission, on some nights all of it is consumption.
There is only one point I slightly disagree with: your rationale for why mongering prices are going up worldwide. As with everything in economics, it is fundamentally a question of supply and demand. Demand is going up because a lot more guys are in on the action. This is due the Internet (YouTube, IG, etc) informing everyone, a growing upper-middle class in many countries (Korea, China, now India), and the rich getting richer (as you pointed out). There has also been a decrease in the supply. This is partially due a decline in birth rates. In Brazil, around 1980, a woman on average would give birth to four children. In 2000, it's only two. That means the supply of girls in their 20's is half of what of what it was twenty years ago. There are similar trends in other countries including Thailand. Also, in many countries although the standard of living is low, it is not as low as it was 20 years ago. So women don't need to do this kind of work as much. So we are seeing an increase in prices more than inflation due to both an increase in demand and a decrease in supply (of quality talent). This trend of mongering prices outpacing inflation will only continue.You make a very valid point in regards to the increase in the price of the working girls globally. However, my comments were about the increase in pricing of the cover and min consumption for Scandallo, which has very little correlation to what the girls ask / accept from the guys.
I believe my only point about the increase in mongering prices is that it has increased anywhere from 40% to 150% globally. So I actually don't find the increase in mongering prices in Sao Paulo, and of the Scandallo girls specifically, to be that bad. This is especially true, when I see mostly the upward shift mostly in the ceiling of the price range, with the floor pricing still attainable.
I'm reading the word negotiation a lot these days. Sounds like guys are negotiating at the Yalta meeting with two armies in front.
This is not the case with working girls. Let me start with an example.
When you want to fuck a friend, you invite her to have a drink or dinner, right? If she drinks with you, chances to F**k her is 99,99%.
The same goes with working girls. If you and she get a little drunk or have a nice meal or a box of stu*the chocolates, they'll do way more you have talked.
You're not the dish, it's the other way around.
My time in Sao Paulo has come to an end, so I'm here to share my final experiences and thoughts.
On Tuesday I went to Bomboa again, and I'm almost starting to think you're better off not speaking Portuguese. I had the same host from my previous trips, and the service is spectacular. He brings me my drink, the food menu, and asks what kind of girl I'm looking for, and says he has a great choice in mind. I want to be really clear this isn't a hustle, he even says if someone else tries to sit with me don't buy them a drink, he knows the perfect one. Boy was he right. This girl was 22 with a gorgeous face, long black hair, and a spectacular natural body. She was really nice as we sat and talked, and my god her service was impeccable. I could not find a single thing to complain about if I tried, well worth every bit of the R800 I offered her. At the end of the night when you close your tab they do ask for a tip as mentioned before, and my host absolutely deserved that 15%.
Based on the urging of this wonderful community I decided to give Casarao another shot, and wow am I glad I did. I arrived on Thursday around 11 pm and after a half hour of milling about with my beer I saw a woman who would be al all star at Scandallo. Unfortunately everyone else sees her too, and while I passed her a few times she isn't alone for a minute all night. I walk a bit more and see another girl with dark hair who looks to be my type. I chat her up and things seem to be going well, I buy her a drink, but when I ask how much she tells me R700 for an hour. I tell her R400 is what I was thinking, and somewhat surprisingly she held firm. We part ways fairly amicably, and I'm back on the hunt. Maybe 20 minutes later I find a girl with a red hair, a tall slim frame, cute little butt, big tits and a gorgeous face. Very quickly I knew I wanted to take her next door, so I offer R400 for an hour, she counters with R500, I accept and off we go. It's important to note here that the hotel does not have enough rooms to really accommodate the demand. Frequently you will get stuck sitting in the lobby waiting for a room, and the line can be 20+ couples long. It also means that they do a fairly shit job of cleaning the rooms, so just be aware. Anyway we finally make it to the room, and the girl was fantastic. Her clothes came off and I instantly knew I made the right choice, and the service was really hot and passionate. I head back downstairs, and maybe an hour later I see the R700 girl again. I offer her R500 and as the night isn't getting any longer she pretty quickly accepts. The wait time in the lobby is again a bit long. Upstairs her service was decent, but not quite on par with the first one. We finish up, and I hang out in the hotel until my Uber is close. I happen to see all star there, also waiting for her ride and chat her up briefly. While Bomboa and Scandallo are strict about scheduling for the girls, Casarao seems to be very flexible. Because of that, I imagine a lot of hot but unreliable girls find their way there.
Friday night I decide Casarao is worth another trip. The landscape is fairly bleak, but at 12:30 pm the redhead from the previous night enters the room. I flag her down and five minutes later we go next door. She absolutely delivers again, and I make my way back to the bar. An hour goes by and I find a second girl who is shorter with very pale skin, dark hair, a tiny waist and a fantastic ass. We are chatting a bit and things are going well, but a Brazilian guy walks over and blatantly interrupts the conversation. I don't speak Portuguese so I don't understand what hes saying, but the general tone is clear. After maybe a minute the girl gets him to fuck off, but I mention it because on average I noticed people are significantly ruder at Casarao relative to other places. I offer the girl R500 for an hour, and while I could tell she wanted more she accepts and off we go. The wait in the lobby is a pain, but it is a decent time to flirt with the girl that you don't get in the club when its packed. We finally get the room and her service was fantastic, and somehow her ass was even more amazing than it looked in the dress.
Overall I strongly recommend Casarao, with a few caveats. Its often standing room only, and moving about can be a real challenge. In my opinion its not the slower paced experience you'll have in Bomboa or Scandallo where you get to feel the girls out and shop around. If you see one you like don't hesitate, just grab her and go. If its not amazing, for the price you pay you can easily find another girl. It definitely has the vibe of a packed pre Covid Tijuana club if that's helpful for anyone. For a long term stay, Casarao would absolutely be a staple of my week.
Finally I wrapped up my trip with a Saturday at Scandallo. I hadn't been to the club on a weekend in forever, and it looked like the apocalypse. Don't get me wrong it was an apocalypse you'd kill for anywhere else, but for Scandallo it was barren. I talk with a girl at the bar to pass the time, but its just polite conversation and I preempt it by saying I'm leaving shortly. With my time in Sao Paulo dwindling fast I was tempted to make a third run to Casarao. I make my way to the elevator, for the first time ready to leave Scandallo without fucking, and see a cute girl on the sofa looking incredibly bored. I walk over and ask to sit. She doesn't speak English, but after an introduction with my three lines of Portuguese I break out the translator and offer her a drink. We make our way to the patio and the chemistry is insane. We're flirting and making out, passing my phone back and forth for the translator, and after maybe 45 minutes of that I offer her R800 to go upstairs. Off we go, and once we were in the room this girl was mind blowing. It was the perfect blend of passionate, sweet, and filthy. If I was here one more week I'd want to fuck her seven more times. A lot of people, mostly in person, try to convince me that Scandallo isn't worth it. They say the clinica girls are just as good, and while I'm sure there is plenty of overlap in terms of girls, the sex I've had with Scandallo girls is consistently on another level in terms of passion and intensity. You do have to be picky, and be willing to so no to otherwise attractive women, but its so rewarding to find the right ones. Its also not easy on the wallet, but when I'm back home I'll be thinking about these women for months. One thing to note, it sounds like there is now an R1,000 minimum charge when paying a girl with a card at the hotel. I can't confirm it personally, but it was something I heard so I wanted to pass it along.
In closing my one piece of advice I took from this trip that I'd like to share is if a girl is difficult, she's almost certainly not worth it. I don't care how good she looks or how much your dick is begging to be inside her, if she is really jamming you up on price or getting pushy about something, she isn't going to have a better attitude in the room. That's not to say any of those women are terrible or bad fucks, but if you're in Brazil you are literally surrounded by dozens of better options. Let her go and find one of them.
Also this is a little delayed, for some reason I kept getting an error while trying to post last week.
One of my absolute stunners, brazilian magazine model. During negotiation we never talked about doggy style, or BBJ, pictures or anything.
For our first date I only gave her what she wanted: Cameras (girls love interviews), a place where she could make lots of selfies for her insta, a nice hotel, few drinks (we were drunk actually) and she gave me a wild f**k. When I asked her I wanted to f**k her in the ass, she went naked to her room to bring oil, naked! That was fun LOL.
Yeah, silicon tits, god bless her plastic surgeon!
Remember, she's the dish. Not you.
SP Recap.
"My time in Sao Paulo has come to an end, so I'm here to share my final experiences and thoughts. ".
Thanks for taking the time JZ to write a very informative post. Much appreciated.
Thanks for telling me how to monger Nounce (rolling eyes). ...I would not have responded if your post is independent. I am responding to your reply to another post. You can apply what you said to my post now to that reply.
I think what OP means about service is that like "cars are cheaper in Colombia" while you are saying "Brazil has better cars". I would guess most would agree with both statements.
Instead of comparing, I think most frequent posters here will always like Brazil better, and same for the Colombia mongers. That makes them a tie in my view. But then if you just read the reports in general, I think Colombia has the edge. It's wilder and one can see sex that just not in Brazil reports. MB1 has been to both places and has very selective taste, where does he monger now? On both boards, on top of my head, the only member that I think can easily switch side to Colombia is AH. I could be completely wrong but it would be interesting to see what happens if he makes the move. Haha. It's because he checks all the boxes, his taste, and certain habit that ensures he will have even better time in Colombia after he spends enough time there which is a must and he has the time. His budget will get him a lifestyle that is a lot better than in Brazil for the same money.
Axel Heyst
03-25-23, 19:40
I think what OP means about service is that like "cars are cheaper in Colombia" while you are saying "Brazil has better cars". I would guess most would agree with both statements.
Instead of comparing, I think most frequent posters here will always like Brazil better, and same for the Colombia mongers. That makes them a tie in my view. But then if you just read the reports in general, I think Colombia has the edge. It's wilder and one can see sex that just not in Brazil reports. MB1 has been to both places and has very selective taste, where does he monger now? On both boards, on top of my head, the only member that I think can easily switch side to Colombia is AH. I could be completely wrong but it would be interesting to see what happens if he makes the move. Haha. It's because he checks all the boxes, his taste, and certain habit that ensures he will have even better time in Colombia after he spends enough time there which is a must and he has the time. His budget will get him a lifestyle that is a lot better than in Brazil for the same money.In another lifetime, more than 30 years ago, I traveled around Colombia extensively and have a lot of great memories. I liked San Andres Island where I shagged my 1st Colombiana, Cartagena where I had a pretty black GF who fucked me for free (I still can recall her name, Mercedes), Santa Marta, Bogota, Medellin, Cali, Popayan where I smoked a lot of weed (anyone familiar with the strain called Mango Biche), and San Agustin. The country was certainly wilder than Brazil back then with all the cocaine trafficking and FARC BS going on and I assume it still relatively wild today although I could be wrong. KKK.
Nonetheless. I will always think of Colombia as the wild west of SA and when I was a young man full of youthful energy & overflowing with testosterone, I loved it. I loved the adventure and I loved the girls. Ha Ha. But today I am in love with Brazilian girls and the relatively tranquillo vibe going on in Brazil. Someday I might get bored with Brazilian girls and decide to revisit Colombia to see what's up & what has changed, but right now I have very little desire to do so. In fact, my only regret looking back was that I did not check out Brazil in the 1980's when I had ample opportunities and instead I chose to hang out mostly in Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia and CR. But all that was before I headed EAST in '89 and discovered Thai girls.
Go to Scandallo because it has everything and why go to the second best. It's only the dance floor in the club area will be crowded. It has a pool tables and videogames, good size restaurants, cafe, large outdoor area. I don't think you will have problem finding quiet on a Saturday.Scandolla has a pool table and video games?
Scandolla has a pool table and video games?Have a look. You can see a pool table in one of these and some games in another. Also some garotas who aren't atypical for Scandallo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xObcvYZ1Ak&list=LL&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdhYePsTaTk&list=LL&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJuV6eHV1Gk&list=LL&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEV51mFxVxo&list=LL&index=10
SocratesNY
03-25-23, 23:01
On Tuesday I went to Bomboa again, and I'm almost starting to think you're better off not speaking Portuguese. I had the same host from my previous trips, and the service is spectacular. He brings me my drink, the food menu, and asks what kind of girl I'm looking for, and says he has a great choice in mind. I want to be really clear this isn't a hustle, he even says if someone else tries to sit with me don't buy them a drink, he knows the perfect one. Boy was he right. This girl was 22 with a gorgeous face, long black hair, and a spectacular natural body. She was really nice as we sat and talked, and my god her service was impeccable. I could not find a single thing to complain about if I tried, well worth every bit of the R800 I offered her. At the end of the night when you close your tab they do ask for a tip as mentioned before, and my host absolutely deserved that 15%..I had similar thoughts about Bomboa during a visit last week. I was assigned an English speaking host and he was great. He asked my taste in women and then brought a few over. When we didn't click, he suggested we walk the room together and point out girls that interested me. Then he would give the low down on them (whether past clients had a good time, whether they spoke English, and he would tell me if he didn't know the girl as well). This ended with me partnering with a hot blonde who gave me a good time back at my place.
I tipped my host R50 before I left, but was surprised to see a 15% service charge on the bill. As SP doesn't have a tipping culture, I wonder if they also do that to the locals. I mentioned I already took care of my host with a cash tip, but they still insisted as this service charge was for the whole service staff team. As I took a girl out, I believe the 15% also applied to the exit fee, which I feel is wrong. It's like adding tip on the taxes in the US. At the end of the day, it wasn't that much so I let it go, but the whole unannounced 15% felt forced and mandatory. Bamboa also charges a CC service charge based on % of the bill, which Scandallo does not.
As Bamboa also upped their minimum consumption from R200 to R300, once you add in the 15% service charge and CC service charge, which basically increases all consumption cost, I am not sure if Bamboa is a good alternative to Scandallo anymore when you want a more laid back and cheaper change of pace. Bamboa now cost more than Scandallo (if you go there before 7 pm) or very similar in pricing if you go after 7 pm. Why pay more or almost the same to go to a place that is inferior to Scandallo in almost every way?
It felt to me like they are trying to keep up with the Jones, but overplayed their hand with a double whammy of increases. I don't think I'll be visiting Bamboa anytime soon, and that's even after having good service from a Bamboa host and finding a nice girl who gave me a good time. I felt l paid about the same as if I went to Scandallo and would have left with a hotter girl there.
I have crossed Caf Photo off my list for the same reasons. They also have a 15% service charge, CC service charge and a R350 entry (R150 consumption). When the pricing once all the fees are added is similar to Scandallo and you offer much less in every way, why bother going there?
I currently only consider Casarao and Connection to be "value" alternatives to Scandallo among the boates I've visited.
Overall I strongly recommend Casarao, with a few caveats. Its often standing room only, and moving about can be a real challenge. In my opinion its not the slower paced experience you'll have in Bomboa or Scandallo where you get to feel the girls out and shop around. If you see one you like don't hesitate, just grab her and go. If its not amazing, for the price you pay you can easily find another girl. It definitely has the vibe of a packed pre Covid Tijuana club if that's helpful for anyone. For a long term stay, Casarao would absolutely be a staple of my week.Very good points about the crowding and standing room only at times at Casarao. It's definitely more difficult to relax and chill and slowly peruse the talent. You can't just find a seat and enjoy a whiskey with a Cubano and just watch as the parade of hotties come and go trying to entice you. It's more like a packed bar / night club where guys and girls are just walking around the club trying to find a partner.
I would disagree with the suggestion about "If you see one you like don't hesitate, just grab her and go. " A few friends and even a few patrons of the club mentioned to me that any girl you see who is unavailable now, will be free soon enough. Due to the clientele and the type of place it is, most local guys only take the girl to the nearby hotel for 30 minutes. And it's rare to have a girl be willing to spend hours talking / smoozing with a guy at the club until he commits, which can be common in Scandallo.
While it's not a "fast house," it's the closest thing to it among boates in SP. Even if a girl spends 15-30 min talking to a guy, and they spend 60 min in the room, she will be back in 1. 5 hours. But in most cases, if you see a girl leaving the club, she will 95% of the time be back in 30 minutes then it's your turn.
I've been told the best spot to chill at near the entrance. You get to see which girls are entering and leaving the club and usually those are the better looking ones. And if you see a hot girl leaving, you can be pretty much assured she'll be back in 30-45 minutes and you can then make your move, as it's "next man up!
A lot of people, mostly in person, try to convince me that Scandallo isn't worth it. They say the clinica girls are just as good, and while I'm sure there is plenty of overlap in terms of girls, the sex I've had with Scandallo girls is consistently on another level in terms of passion and intensity. .A few other comments about Casarao from my personal experiences my last two trips. Most of the girls I saw at Scandallo wouldn't go there with me. They believe the area and club is too seedy and the clientele to be too rough. Many were shocked that I wanted to visit Casarao, even if it was to accompany a friend. I don't know if it's all an act or the type of girls I select at Scandallo, but I sense a lot of truth to what they were saying by their posture, body language, tone and what I can read from their eyes.
This just reinforces my belief that a significant portion of the Scandallo girls would never be found in Casarao, clinicas or other venues. Sure there are some crossover between the two clubs in terms of girls who work there. Any girl can try to work at Scandallo, from SA / MP / Online girls, clinica girls, Casarao or other boate girls or even hot pink book girls. All they need to do is pay their 300-350 admission cost and keep coming back or get a saida for a free invite back. And the free invite at Scandallo is more flexible now according to a few girls I spoke to. The free invite used to be only valid for the next business day (exclusions for Saturday and Monday), but is now valid for the next two working days.
Their success depends on whether they can compete with the other girls who show up, which can be a challenge as much of the clientele prefer girls with more hotness, class, education, charisma, etc. As the club is dominated by rich locals, I'm told by most of the Scandallo girls that the local Brazilians prefer tall, thin, tanned girls with big ass and tits, who can carry a conversation and drink like they have a hole in their shoes. Then there is the subset of rich Asians that frequent the place who prefer the pale skinned, innocent looking pretty thin girls.
I've seen a girl at Scandallo during the 4 pmt o 12 am shift leave empty handed and end their night at Casarao. I've seen a Moema clinica girl give Scandallo a try, but fail and then go back to their clinica job to recoup their Scandallo admission. I've seen SA / MP / Online girls give Scandallo a try when their schedule allows it. I've seen pink book girls get a free invite to be eye candy for the club during a slower night, and they disappear the next day back to their life with their sugar daddies or modeling gigs.
So there is a huge cross-over of girls from other venues coming to Scandallo. You'll find the lower tier girls from other venues at Scandallo, but not the higher tier girls from Scandallo at other venues. If they are successful working at Scandallo with any regularity, they usually don't want to go back to their other working venue.
Axel Heyst
03-25-23, 23:40
Great Reportage, JZ. I am glad you liked the top 3 SP boates. I concur with most of what you reported, but I do have a few comments:
First on Tipping at Bomboa: I don't like it! In all my previous trips to SP I was never asked to tip my Bomboa waiter. I was assigned the same guy, Orlando, on my Oct / Nov 2021 trip & in my subsequent April / May 2022 trip. Orlando was a 1st class guy and he gave me great service. He never asked for a tip. Why should he? Brazil does not have a tipping culture. But I gave him 400 BR on my last night in Bomboa on both trips BECAUSE he deserved it. He earned it! But I should add that over the course of both of my previous 6 week trips, I spent a significant number of nights in Bomboa.
But something changed on my most recent Oct / Nov trip when I was assigned a different waiter, a younger guy. The new guy hit me up for tips every time I visited Bomboa. His service was still 1st class except for his constant begging / nagging for a tip. I never took heed of his girly suggestions, and he stopped making them after my first visit. But on that 1st night back in Bomboa, he put the touch on me as I was trying to pay my tab. I took him aside and I told him I would take care of him before I left town, but that I would not tip him on a nightly basis. He nodded his understanding of what I saying, but every time I went to Bomboa it was like "Groundhogs Day" the movie with his continued moaning for a tip every time I went to pay my tab. It became annoying and it began to piss me off because I knew he was not asking for tips from his SP customers, and I did not like being treated differently due only to my nationality. So finally, about 4 weeks into the trip, I had enough of the guy. I moved to a different location in the bar near the bandstand and requested that Orlando take over as my waiter. That was that. But before I left SP, I gave Orlando a generous tip for his excellent, PERSONALIZED, service. I did not give a tip to the young waiter because he did not listen to me and that pissed me off.
BTW, No other boate in SP allows its wait staff to ask customers for tips. In fact, I have never had anyone in any boate, terma or clinica ask for a tip and that includes my girls. No wait, come to think of it, one of my Scandallo girls and I used to smoke in the rooms upstairs, and on our 1st night together she suggested I give the cleaning worker 30 BR which I did because it sounded very reasonable and wise. KKK.
Scandolla has a pool table and video games?I took this last year after it was added.
...I've seen pink book girls get a free invite to be eye candy for the club during a slower night, and they disappear the next day back to their life with their sugar daddies or modeling gigs.....I think I met one. That night the club was supposedly crawling with the agency girls, different colors, tall model types. She said her agency told them to come. She also told me when she was asked to go to Scandallo by the owner during the time I was seeing her. But the other member said that was not likely so I was not sure ether.
The interesting thing was they were always in a group. I stood next to them and they other girls sensed that I wanted to talk to one of them and they figured out who it was so they all left with her alone so I could talk to her.
FlowState985
03-26-23, 06:29
I took this last year after it was added.Waste of space. I liked it back when they had the lounge / seating area there.
Axel Heyst
03-26-23, 12:50
Waste of space. I liked it back when they had the lounge / seating area there.Yeah, me too. I liked that couch. I auditioned some of my favorite girls on it, but I also like the adjacent bar / outdoor courtyard except on chilly rainy nights.
. In fact, my only regret looking back was that I did not check out Brazil in the 1980'...Is it possible you are repeating the same mistake? You know what I mean. Hehehe.
Axel Heyst
03-26-23, 13:57
Is it possible you are repeating the same mistake? You know what I mean. Hehehe.You mean in not checking out what Columbia is like today? Perhaps you are right, but I am enjoying my trips to Brazil so much that I can't seem to find the initiative to go anywhere else at the moment, not even to return to my beloved BKK, Phnom Penh, and Jakarta. I keep putting off my return trip to SE Asia in favor of more time in Brazil. My latest travel idea is a 3-month super trip from MIA to GRU to BKK to CGK to MIA. I am also thinking of taking a 2 to 3 week road trip with Valerie, my Scandallo favorite girl, up the Brazilian coast. I think that trip would be a lot of fun, but first I want to see how she does on our 2nd road trip, this time to Ilhabela in May.
RonhinCruz
03-26-23, 15:11
I leave Brazil on a late flight today. Last weekend I made a second quick trip to Tangara and saw Carla. Shorty, curvy morena. She had a great attitude and provided good service. I would recommend. $R140 for the hour. Brazil. Spent the week in Camboriú and Curtiba but didn't session. I wish I had gone to Evidence in Curtiba based on a recommendation from someone I met in Tanagra. Also, funny. In Tantara there was a 85 year old guy with a walker and whom I assume with his son there to get serviced. Nice.
Last night I decided to make one last run and my friend ultimately decided he didn't want to go anywhere. So I decided to just quickly hit Casarao. With two trips there it feels pretty familiar at this point. It was close to where we were staying near Sumaré metro. I had a bit of reals left to burn but set myself a $R500 limit that included anal and with a girl I wasn't settling for. Relatively easy parameters for Casarao.
Casarao as a vibe is really not my scene so I tend to want to just get in, find a girl and get out. I treat it almost like a CLínica but insist on a drink with the girl first to check the vibe. As soon as I entereted and wandered downstairs for my G&T I had one girl approach but not my type or standard. It's important to just politely decline and they move on fast. Two more girls approached and same thing. I am not seeing anything that I like but the girls circulate fast and it's only just before midnight. Lots of new arrivals. I make a couple of rounds and hang out by the door hoping to maybe just jump on a a new (re) entering girl. Nothing. Back downstairs. And a girl that had caught my attention on the way up because she looked like a serious gym girl is still there. She is wearing skin tight white pants and a halter top that show off her athletic physique. I decide to take a closer look. Sure enough she has the arms of someone that spends regular time in the gym and the stomach is flat and flawless. I offer her a drink. She gets coconut water. Because she explains she is a serious gym girl. She has video of herself squatting and deadlifting that create the ass she wasn't born with. The only thing I don't like are the bolt-ONS. I really prefer natural girls no matter the size. She circulates between Connections, Scandallo and Casarao. I could see that. She isn't the model type but she puts in the work. She is probably busy at Casarao and Connections and finds some people at Scandallo from time to time who want a toned girl. She is fine with the patter but definitely wants to get to the room. Ok I don't want to hang in Casarao either. I ask her price. $R700. I counter with $400 willing to settle for my $R500 with anal. She says $R500. Ok with anal. No anal is $R650. I order a second drink. I know she wants to go to the room. I make. My offer again $R500 with anal. She accepts immediately. We finish our drinks.
Only a short wait in the line. I think I have the best looking girl there at the moment. We chat some more which as others mentioned gives an opportunity to work on the vibe just a little. Take advantage. The girls are people and a bit of warming up and connection go a long way. I always want to just be their favorite customer of the night.
In the room the clothes come off and yeah she is a gym girl. Attitude is warm. I give her a couple of pointers about what I like, order etc. I find with these girls who see customers regularly it's best to just lay out any preferences. It helps everything go smoothly and if you have a girl who wants to please you are helping her out so she doesn't have to guess. (I do this differently with SA girls or infrequent semi-pros etc.).
Two things were great about the session. I like DATY with a girl that relaxes into it. I know when they are faking most of the time and I know it takes some time. She was one of my top DATY experiences in a long time. She had this amazing clit that just went erect and was super sensitive. You can't fake that. It was a playground. I burn 20-30 minutes no joke on it and am happy to do so. She looks down and says "it's so big" multiple times, referring to her clit in a refreshing twist in the normal use of the phrase. She orgasms twice maybe 3 times. She wants to fuck and she just goes straight for the ass with her in top. And after she gets warmed up she is just pounding me with her ass using those toned legs of hers. This is clearly an easy leg day for her. Only the sight of her fake tits were less than perfect. I am lasting a long time in her ass after the warm up but she is determined to get me to nut in her ass. She succeeds. I am happy. I was planning on getting a nice blow job for the second nut but time is sort of coming up and my friend had decided to wait up for me. So I call this a win. She heads back down to clearly find another client. I head out with about $150 spent doing two things I love with a 24 yr gym girl. Casarao. Brazil.
You mean in not checking out what Columbia is like today? Perhaps you are right, but I am enjoying my trips to Brazil so much that I can't seem to find the initiative to go anywhere else at the moment, not even to return to my beloved BKK, Phnom Penh, and Jakarta. ....You are describing your state of mind that you had your regret. It's not a guarantee and it takes some time commitment and effort so I am not advising it.
I had plan to go to Asia but decided to stay put in SA again. I had enough SEA during Covid. I tapped into local scenes and I often got the first dip of new girls. I went to a hotel, and the agent let me see every room to interview to pick the girl while other can only see one assigned room at a time.
... I am also thinking of taking a 2 to 3 week road trip with Valerie, my Scandallo favorite girl....Why only take one when you can take 2 or 3 and probably for free. hehehe.
MB1 has been to both places and has very selective taste, where does he monger now?.I wish I could monger more in Brazil, but I don't speak Porto, Brazil is more difficult and expensive to get to, the cost of living, especially in SP and Rio is higher, and summer time is too hot and humid. This is why I prefer cooler parts Colombia. But from a pure mongering perspective, Brazil wins. Hotter girls of all types and shapes, and better performance in bed (YMMV though).
Have a look. You can see a pool table in one of these and some games in another. Also some garotas who aren't atypical for Scandallo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xObcvYZ1Ak&list=LL&index=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdhYePsTaTk&list=LL&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJuV6eHV1Gk&list=LL&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEV51mFxVxo&list=LL&index=10Ok, Thats new. It wasnt there a year ago. Pinball machines are a different look.
Is Easter big holiday in Brazil? I plan on going on around Easter.
I tipped my host R50 before I left, but was surprised to see a 15% service charge on the bill. As SP doesn't have a tipping culture, I wonder if they also do that to the locals. I mentioned I already took care of my host with a cash tip, but they still insisted as this service charge was for the whole service staff team. I'm honestly very surprised to hear that based on my experiences. The first time my host asked about the tip and suggested numbers of 10%, 15%, or 20% as examples it was very much phrased as a question. After that first time he always brought up the tip when settling the bill, but never again mentioned any specific numbers. As I mentioned in his case the money was well earned, but it definitely felt optional.
Are spots open in Sao Paulo during Easter weekend (Friday, Saturday)? I plan on going on around Easter.
I wish I could monger more in Brazil, but I don't speak Porto, Brazil is more difficult and expensive to get to, the cost of living, especially in SP and Rio is higher, and summer time is too hot and humid. This is why I prefer cooler parts Colombia. But from a pure mongering perspective, Brazil wins. Hotter girls of all types and shapes, and better performance in bed (YMMV though). I too prefer the diversity of Brazil. What is going on in Medellin in this period of time is unique, and we don't know how long it would last. The Brazilian girls will likely still be available years from now, just like the disappearance of Hope did not change that.
I too prefer the diversity of Brazil. What is going on in Medellin in this period of time is unique, and we don't know how long it would last. The Brazilian girls will likely still be available years from now, just like the disappearance of Hope did not change that.What's going on in Medellin right now that is unique? Apart from the prices going up and tons of gringos in town?
What's going on in Medellin right now that is unique? Apart from the prices going up and tons of gringos in town?Do you think you miss anything if you just found out about MDE now? If you only use SA, you will see the price increase earlier than most.
SocratesNY
03-27-23, 18:46
I too prefer the diversity of Brazil. What is going on in Medellin in this period of time is unique, and we don't know how long it would last. The Brazilian girls will likely still be available years from now, just like the disappearance of Hope diad not change that.What is so unique about the current hobbying situation in Medellin? Is the invasion of Venes due to the political crisis across the border providing a lot of hot women at cheap pricing? Is the recent reported sharp uptick in druggings / crimes against hobbyists all fake news? Are there new rules, regulations or lifting of prohibitions that has enhanced the mongering scene there? Are you referring to the weak COP vs. Western currency?
I am truly curious what you mean, as you seem to imply that there are unique forces at play currently that make Medellin specifically, and maybe also Colombia in general, more preferable to Brazil for mongers at the moment. Maybe I'm overlooking something when I decided to temporarily suspend plans to visit Colombia and focus all my available hobbying time and resources in Brazil until the Real strengthens a lot vs. The Dollar. FYI, I've also decided to suspend visiting European hobbying scenes from FKKs to Spanish brotherls and SE Asian venues (Bangkok, Jakarta, etc.). All of which I've visited in the past couple of years, as the degradation of their respective hobbying scenes in terms of either value / pricing and / or service levels just doesn't make them preferable to Brazil.
I've NEVER mongered in Colombia. I have friends that go down to CTG, MDE and BOG often pre-pandemic and sang Colombia's praises. They tell me there are logistic hurdles to overcome, as most hotels, especially in CTG, are not girl friendly. You would need to usually find a guest friendly Airbnb. They also say crime against hobbyist are more prevalent than other Latin American venues, from Tijuana to Mexico City to DR to Costa Rica. In certain cities (specifically CTG, you have to deal with the annoying tutes).
They also tell me that there are many hobbying venues to choose, from online options, puta / indy night clubs, strip clubs, street girls, casa, etc. They say there is a big online scene, usually Tinder, Facebook and the like. The club scene has more gringo tourist pricing and the service levels are more restrictive. The casas are usually in more seedier neighborhoods and rooms are basic and girls are sometimes from the bottom of the barrel. They tell me getting some GFE services, that are basically standard in most western hobbying venues (US, Canada and Europe), like BBBJ and DFK have to be negotiated and often times a firm "no" is still given, especially at the higher end venues. But if you take the time find the right girl (s) or spend the time weeding out the non-GFE girls, you can have a great time.
Even with all the above, they still love Colombia due to the hot Colombian and Venezuelan women, the strong dollar vs. COP. They tell me it's a great place to visit as a group of friends for hobbying, as the group dynamic negates most of the logistical obstacles, pitfalls, dangers and cons of the Colombian hobbying scene. Flights are plentiful and cheap and flight distance isn't too long from most of the US. There are lots of great places to eat that doesn't burn a hole in your wallet. And Spanish, which is more taught and known in the US, is spoken.
However, they did warn me that new solo or smaller groups traveling there will have to be more wary, as it takes more preparation, more research, etc. To have a successful trip. Colombia is not as easy to hobby in as some of the point and shoot hobbying destinations such as DR or CR (I would also now add Brazil as well, but my friends and I hadn't been there pre-pandemic), especially for a 1 week or less trip and you are used to the amenities from staying at nice hotels.
So based on the above, the significant increase in crime against hobbyists and my friends not planning to visit Colombia anytime soon (one of the reason is that they discovered Brazil during the Pandemic! I've put Colombia on hold. After discovering the wonders of Brazil, I can't imagine myself choosing to go to Colombia over Brazil as long as the BRL remains above 4. 0 vs. 1 USD.
I've found Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro to be have a huge and diverse hobbying scene. Everything that is available in Colombia is available in Brazil, but larger, more diverse, more robust and more developed. The STANDARD / BASE and AVERAGE service levels of the Brazilian garotas blow Colombian chicas away.
You don't need to do a lot of prep work and invest time in the online game in Brazil to have a good GFE session at value pricing in Brazil, but you can if you wish to, as there tons of options via online escorts, SA / MP, Tinder, Twitter, etc.
The boates and termas in Brazil blow the night clubs / strip clubs in Colombia out of the water (according to my friends who have been to both). They don't have the same gringo tourist trap vibe, as the ones in Brazil mostly caters to the local, both white and blue collar. They tell me any of the top 5 clubs mentioned in this forum (Scandallo, Caf Photo, Bomboa, Connection and Casarao) are better than those found in Colombia.
The clinicas / massage scene is also more robust than the casa scene in Colombia. You can go from cheap prive to normal clinicas to high end massage place in Brazil, all with higher average service level than Colombia casas and at the high end place in Brazil, you will receive a near guaranteed GFE level of services with top end girls.
I won't compare the hotness of Brazilian women vs. Colombian / Venezuelan women, as that's highly subjective. I'll just say that I find top end women from all 3 countries to be super hot! However, Brazil definitely has more diversity due to its immigration history, as you can find girls with Irish, Germanic, Nordic, Western and Eastern European, Slavic, Italian, Asian, Latin African and Indian / Indigenous looks pretty easily in Sao Paulo. It's almost like Dubai in a way, but the talent is generally local to Brazil, rather than imported from abroad.
I also love that 99% of the hotels in Sao Paulo are girl friendly, from the cheap places up to luxury 5 star hotels. That is not the case in Colombia, especially in Cartagena. That makes overnights at your own place challenging unless you get a guest friendly Airbnb, which lacks many of the amenities, convenience and safety elements provided by hotels. They also love the diverse love motel scene in Sao Paulo with high end places like Lush, Asturias and others.
One of the most important considerations for most hobbyist is the cost and value of the hobbying scene in the country they plan to visit. With the Real so weak vs. Western currencies, pricing is very comparable to Colombia, which also is weak vs. Western currencies. The caveat is that while both are weak, Colombia has had a higher inflation rate over the last 4-5 years compared to Brazil. The COP also has been weak vs. Western currencies for what seems like forever. The weakness of the Brazilian real is pretty recent and might not last.
You can currently find cheap $15-25 USD fucks in Brazil at Prives / clinicas just like you can at casas in Colombia. The club girls in Colombia seems to ask for $75 to 125 USD for a ST fuck and $150 to $300 for LT / overnights. Same as you can find in Brazil. I'm sure some will say their regulars are cheaper, or if you put in the time, you can find better bargains / value, but that can be said of both countries. In any event, I am going by what my friends tell me the current rate is and also from what I've seen posted when I check the Colombia boards semi-regularly. They also say that the online options have very comparable in pricing. One other comment they made is that the gringos / tourists actually have more of an impact on the mongering pricing and the availability of girls in Colombia as compared to Brazil, especially in Cartagena, which has either balanced the two countries and sometimes even tipped it in Brazil's favor, especially with the weak Real.
They do say food is a little cheaper in Colombia and Colombian hotel prices hasn't gone up post-pandemic at the same rate as SP and RJ.
But probably the most important thing for me is the service level of the girls. They all say they were blown away by the near universal passion and love making skills of Brazilian women. They all claim that on average, Brazilian women beats Colombian and Venezuelan working girls in the bed room. Sure, the best of the best from all 3 countries could be a tie or close to each other, but we are talking about average or general expected service level. You rarely have to negotiate regular GFE service (DFK, BBBJ, DATY, etc.) in Brazil and anal is often offered and requested by the girl without you asking. All without a surcharge! After over 125 punts with over 75 different Brazilian women, I concur whole heartedly. I've not had the same high average level of service anywhere else in the world and I've mongered in Canada, US, Mexico, most of Western Europe and some of Eastern Europe, SE and East Asia and Australia, and many of those spots within the past 3-4 years. Brazilian women are a killer combo of hot and diverse looks (especially that incredible bunda from the slim all the way up to the curvy an) and amazing service in the sack.
As I said, I've never been to Colombia, so these are the opinions of my friends who are experienced in Colombia and finally discovered Brazil during and post pandemic. Almost all of them would now choose Brazil over Colombia.
For a newbie or short term visitor, I don't see how the current situation in Colombia beats Brazil when everything is considered. The only advantages I see are 1) flight time 2) flight cost 3) You speak Spanish and 4) you take month + long trips or is a digital nomad and plan to spend lots of time in country and prefers Airbnbs to hotels.
Therefore, TLDR: What is so unique about Medellin at the moment to make it better than Brazil? I actually think it's the reverse, as the extremely weak Real vs. Historical norms make Brazil the UNIQUE situation and you should go before that goes away. The Colombian women and the historically weak COP will still be there down the road.
SocratesNY
03-27-23, 18:57
Do you think you miss anything if you just found out about MDE now? If you only use SA, you will see the price increase earlier than most.Perhaps I am dense, but this post like your previous post is quite cryptic and doesn't explain what is currently so unique and good about Medellin.
As I said, I've never been to Colombia, so these are the opinions of my friends who are experienced in Colombia and finally discovered Brazil during and post pandemic. Almost all of them would now choose Brazil over Colombia.I have been to Colombia. A lot! And what your friends tell you is true. Plus there's what you already know. I'm like them. I would never choose Colombia over Brazil. At least not the way things stand now. And there's nothing "wrong" with that.
Steve 9696
03-27-23, 19:32
I'll keep it a bit briefer than Socrates but having been to both I totally align with his friends. My experience in Colombia is:
1. The clubs suck and are a tourist trap ripoff.
2. Facebook girls are easy and plentiful and fairly cheap.
3. The Facebook girls can't hold a candle to your average Brasileira whenbit comes to GFE. Weak BJ, light to moderate DFK and you can clearly tell they are there to "do their job". Whereas as has been pointed out numerous times, Brasileiras rule here.
4. Did have one gem that a friend referred me to. But that was the exception not the rule.
I have friends that swear by Colombia. Most have not been to Brasil. 😋 But for my money Brasil stomps Colombia and frankly is the finest garota venue on planet earth.
Prices have gone up but not to this magnitude; you can't compare the prices to those in US; girls in the US are not affordable for most american and its illegal. You should compare it to Colombia or Peru where its much much cheaper for the same service.I think people are expecting inflation to increase consistently across the board. Food, hotels, hookers, etc.
We were just talking on the Montreal thread that freelancers that were charging 350-400 Canadian dollars pre-Covid are now charging 500-600. (For several years, Canada essentially has legalized sex transactions conducted privately.).
Anyone who has done business in inflationary environments knows its easier to raise prices. The girls are testing these limits. I suspect things will stabilize. When the global money printing orgy is far behind us, we will get more rational mongering prices. I believe the Brazilian Central Bank was printing quite a bit of money during the pandemic.
Perhaps I am dense, but this post like your previous post is quite cryptic and doesn't explain what is currently so unique and good about Medellin.There is a large population of available girls that either don't have work or don't want to work because the pay is low. This is reflected on Facebook, Seeking, Tinder, Cam sites and IG. You can just go online to count. I don't know another city that comes close to the quantity available.
There are many ponds to play in. You will have to go read Medellin thread to see if you can find one you like. I will send you the links to different ISG members' posts privately.
For shorter term and for new visitors, Brazil is better. Longer term, like months, I think Medellin probably will be better.
Hey,
Planning a month long trip to Sao Paulo and would love to connect with some of you.
I read some chatter about how it gets very rainy and girla flock away from SP.
Wondering if May is a good time to visit?
If not, what other month is a good time to visit.
Also reading about Scandallo and other clubs, what's the going price for entrt / girls / room?
There is a large population of available girls that either don't have work or don't want to work because the pay is low. This is reflected on Facebook, Seeking, Tinder, Cam sites and IG. You can just go online to count. I don't know another city that comes close to the quantity available.
There are many ponds to play in. You will have to go read Medellin thread to see if you can find one you like. I will send you the links to different ISG members' posts privately.
For shorter term and for new visitors, Brazil is better. Longer term, like months, I think Medellin probably will be better.I don't see an increase in supply. If this was the case, the rates would go down, but in reality, they surely go up, outpacing the rate of inflation. Either there is no increase of supply at all, or the increase in demand outweighs the increase in supply. Nothing unique about it.
What is so unique about the current hobbying situation in Medellin? Is the invasion of Venes due to the political crisis across the border providing a lot of hot women at cheap pricing? Is the recent reported sharp uptick in druggings / crimes against hobbyists all fake news? Are there new rules, regulations or lifting of prohibitions that has enhanced the mongering scene there? Are you referring to the weak COP vs. Western currency?
.I don't think there's anything special, rather the weakness of the COP and Colombia (specifically Medellin) becoming a broader tourist destination has resulted in more cheap flights from more cities. With this came the weekend millionaires who previously went to the DR and CR. I have definitely noticed a change in the type of monger and tourists visiting over my 12 years of travel to MDE. I think people will eventually rotate back to Brazil and Mexico City is picking up steam.
Eszpresszo
03-28-23, 00:42
I don't see an increase in supply. If this was the case, the rates would go down, but in reality, they surely go up, outpacing the rate of inflation. Either there is no increase of supply at all, or the increase in demand outweighs the increase in supply. Nothing unique about it.You won't see an change in the supply, if you were never there in the first place. It's like these people who go to prives or clubs that are mentioned here, and they say "I didn't see anything there". Of course, they didn't see anything there. Because they were never there in the first place, and you are no different in that respect.
Yes, supply and demand is in effect in this industry in South America. I have had a first hand view of it, recently. Went and spent three days in the Praia Grande / Sao Vincente area to hang out with a cute woman I met on Insta. She never put out for me, but we have stayed friends and she actually introduced me to another pretty lady who is a better match for me. Though that has yet to come to fruition. But, to the point, I went looking for my options on Photoacompanhates and found there was a slew of attractive girls in the range of 100-150 reais. Not what I'd expect in a tourist town. This is the greater Santos metropolitan area, just over the hills from Sao Paulo, where the media price is twice as much. I ended up leaving early and heading down to Florianopolis, where I am well acquainted with a lovely "terapista" who specializes in nuru massage with an oral finalization!
BTW, Florianopolis is the epicenter of the nuru / tantra scene in Brazil. There seems to be a steady supply of pretty but crazy young women who think that they are doing some sacred or holistic ritual through tantric massage or nuru, which they assert is pure therapy ore an exercise in spiritualism and in no way is it sex or prostitution. I think if you charge me 300 - 500 reais to slather my body in oil and rub your young nubile body on mine and make me cum, it is at least sexual. But, don't tell them that.
However, I decided to check out what the pure mongering scene was about. To my surprise there wasn't a lot to find on PA, and though there were more girls listed other websites focusing more on Santa Catarina and the region, the overall body count was low for a metropolitan area of that size. And I guess that is why prices were more on a Sao Paulo range. Starting at 150 and on up to 400. I was surprised, but maybe I shouldn't have been. There was the consolation that all these girls have their own place to work out of, and you don't need to pay for love hotel, as some of the prissy SP girls will mandate. But, that is probably because there are very few love hotels on the island of Florianopolis itself. The few I found were very expensive, though lavish. So, the women can't throw the burden of paying for a room on the client and thus have to absorb that cost for a workspace. And real estate ain't cheap on Floripa. There were few brothels on the island itself. There was a gentlemens club close to where I stayed, which I read was very nice but expensive. Used to be two prives at the end of the pedestrian commercial district of centro, on Rua Tiradentes and Rua Felipe Schmidt and there were young people (including young women) handing out small flyers for them nearby. However, its down to one now and it was never open when I went by. You have to go over the bridge to Sao Jose if you want more brothels and not surprisingly they are more abundant and cheaper, as is the selection of independent GPS. Yes, Economics 101. Literally. However, you wouldn't see this in effect, if you were never there.
Eszpresszo
03-28-23, 00:49
I don't think there's anything special, rather the weakness of the COP and Colombia (specifically Medellin) becoming a broader tourist destination has resulted in more cheap flights from more cities. With this came the weekend millionaires who previously went to the DR and CR. I have definitely noticed a change in the type of monger and tourists visiting over my 12 years of travel to MDE. I think people will eventually rotate back to Brazil and Mexico City is picking up steam.You might have a point there. Until their recent demise, Medellin based Viva was flying out of Miami. These past visits in recent month I saw more foreign tourists there than in the past as well as African American men, which I never used to see in Colombia. Note that Viva went under recently. I guess the "Spirit Airlines" of Colombia didn't have the staying power. I caught my flight to GRU on Viva and I must say I won't miss those hard seats. Way too hard to be using for a 6-hour flight. But, still a value and I was planning to take Viva back to Colombia.
I don't think there's anything special, rather the weakness of the COP and Colombia (specifically Medellin) becoming a broader tourist destination has resulted in more cheap flights from more cities. With this came the weekend millionaires who previously went to the DR and CR. I have definitely noticed a change in the type of monger and tourists visiting over my 12 years of travel to MDE. I think people will eventually rotate back to Brazil and Mexico City is picking up steam.Cheap flights? I can't vouch for other cities, but roundtrips from Miami have never been so expensive as they are right now. American Airlines want $650 (economy, 3. 5 HR flight), WTF? Even JetBlue and Spirit are $400-$500 and up. For years flights from Miami were around $200-$250 tops, roundtrip.
I don't see an increase in supply. If this was the case, the rates would go down ....I have not said there is an increase in supply.
... but in reality, they surely go up, outpacing the rate of inflation. Either there is no increase of supply at all, or the increase in demand outweighs the increase in supply. Nothing unique about it. I already have formed my opinion so I am going to take advantage of it. I think the people talking about paradise, or living a fantasy have formed the conclusion too but I don't think your conclusion is final yet. Often we miss thing only after it's gone. I am curious to know do people mention "regret" when Hope was around?
You won't see an change in the supply, if you were never there in the first place.
Literally. However, you wouldn't see this in effect, if you were never there.We were discussing Medellin. Nounce brought that up and I replied. I'm currently in MDE and have spent more time here than you. Based on what you wrote in one of your recent posts (about "no mongering scene in El Centro and Parque Lleras" I have come to the conclusion that you have no freaking idea about mongering in MDE.
Above Average
03-28-23, 23:05
I will be arriving in Sao Paulo in April and this will be my first time in Brazil. I'm looking to gather some basic intel.
My friends told me that SP is a nice city with lots of upscale establishments, but not a lot of touristy things to do. I'm arriving in SP because it's cheaper to fly there than RDJ, and because my brief amount of research is leading me to believe that SP is probably the best city in Brazil for mongering. Is this true? Is it even better than RDJ?
What are the best websites / apps to use to meet non-pro girls? Would it be Tinder, Facebook, Seeking Arrangements, or something else?
I've found a few good looking websites for meeting professionals. One in particular is:
https://garotacomlocal.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo-sp/
Is this a trustworthy website with realistic pictures? I didn't see it mentioned in the "Sao Paulo. Directory" thread so I'm not sure.
And since everybody is comparing Brazil to Colombia now, I'd just like to state that Medellin is great, but I had to try something new after my last visit was marred by flakey facebook girls and the prevalence of those god awful butt-surgeries. Even though it's commonly called the "Brazillian butt lift" I've heard that it is less prevalent in Brazil than it is in many places in Colombia. I hope that's true.
I like slender girls with a natural body (boob jobs are fine), and a darker skin tone, and in Colombia I found that those types of girls were undervalued compared to their fair-skinned, silicone-loaded counterparts. I hope that my tastes are as advantageous in Brazil as they are in Colombia.
It shouldn't rain that much as December to March. I only noticed a drastic reduction of talent during Christmas and New Year weeks 'cause girls go to visit their families.
June can bring southeast cold weather, cold enough to fall some snow in Porto Alegre. Make sure your hotel or air bnb has heating.
Pictures attached of Porto Alegre, 650 miles south Sao Paulo, during the same June week.
I rather prefer November-December 'cause I love to pick ficha rosas from car and bike events, but May June is just fine.
Hey,
Planning a month long trip to Sao Paulo and would love to connect with some of you.
I read some chatter about how it gets very rainy and girla flock away from SP.
Wondering if May is a good time to visit?
If not, what other month is a good time to visit.
Also reading about Scandallo and other clubs, what's the going price for entrt / girls / room?
It shouldn't rain that much as December to March. I only noticed a drastic reduction of talent during Christmas and New Year weeks 'cause girls go to visit their families.
June can bring southeast cold weather, cold enough to fall some snow in Porto Alegre. Make sure your hotel or air bnb has heating.
Pictures attached of Porto Alegre, 650 miles south Sao Paulo, during the same June week.
I rather prefer November-December 'cause I love to pick ficha rosas from car and bike events, but May June is just fine.How about around Easter. Good Friday?
That's a good question. Never been in Brasil during easter (Pascoa). But being a catholic country boates may be closed. And whan I'm sure, 'cause I have friends from the USP (Universidad de Sao Paulo), brazilians leave the cities in massive waves. Try googling "estradas pascoa sao paulo".
How about around Easter. Good Friday?
That's a good question. Never been in Brasil during easter (Pascoa). But being a catholic country boates may be closed. And whan I'm sure, 'cause I have friends from the USP (Universidad de Sao Paulo), brazilians leave the cities in massive waves. Try googling "estradas pascoa sao paulo".Ok, thanks.
Just got home from SP and I can't wait to explore more of Brazil and return to SP. I am curious to know how soon after some of y'all left the first did you return? I am already considering another trip given how much of a good time I had.
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Therefore, TLDR: What is so unique about Medellin at the moment to make it better than Brazil? I actually think it's the reverse, as the extremely weak Real vs. Historical norms make Brazil the UNIQUE situation and you should go before that goes away. The Colombian women and the historically weak COP will still be there down the road.I just got time to read this post. This is what I said.
...better time in Colombia after he spends enough time there which is a must and he has the time. His budget will get him a lifestyle that is a lot better than in Brazil for the same money.Do a google search on Oasis Luxury Penthouse beside El Cielo Hotel! and if not this penthouse, checkout other places the host has. AH can get something like this, maybe with a bed or Jacuzzi on the terrace that he can smoke with his girls, instead of smoking outside a hotel. LOL. The majority of Colombia working girls that I know like weed, some almost worship this stuff. That would work out well for him. To me, this's like having the Sao Paulo roof top bar Skye all by myself. Picture attached. Several places that host has are short distance away from some of the best restaurants nearby. The city is unique and there are many places like this that work well for the mongering style. The things you can get delivered, legal or not. These are some of the uniqueness.
GFE really is depending on where you get them. FB GFE is default and BBFS is easier than Brazil to get. Just to make context clear, I consider FB girls working girls. Clubs maybe no, but you should not have a problem if you have the budget and willing to spent the same amount as in Brazil.
Personally, I don't see things as absolute so context is always important for me. Let's say some mongers only go to clinica and never set foot in Scandallo and we know from reports they exist. Personally, I think for the same cost comparing one hour of clinica pro with several hours of MDE semi pro at my place. I would say for this type of monger, MDE may have advantage.
The following post I put it as plain as I could. These girls left at 4 AM. One can compare something like this to a clinica session because it is the same price for me. There was a lot of foreplay that lasted hours. I let the girls do their things and I just observed and played alone. To me it's also an experience, not just sex. I like it but it does not mean you should like it too because we are all different. Not counting hours, not real professional like in a casa, and just have a good time and a large number of them available are also unique in my view.
Minimal setup:
Mirror on either side of the bed
Music of the girls choosing.
Position:
You: with your back flat on the bed and your knees bent at about 60 degree
Girl: her legs go under your legs, her both hands on the bed.
Movement:
You: Nothing if you dont want to but you will. LOL
Girl: dance/twerk away with the music and enjoy the mirror.
Master and Apprentice
The girl brought a non-pro girlfriend over. The girl was teaching the no-pro how to perform RCP so the non-pro was on top of me and the girl lined up side by side with the non-pro. This is a movement that requires some finesse in order to be able to do it non-stop smoothly and keep the little guy inside at all time. They both danced with the girl instructing the non-pro the subtle movements. .
.Several experienced mongers have suggested me to visit Brazil and told me I would like it. These mongers have been to Brazil but they don't monger in Brazil anymore. I probably have felt the same as you. I have gone thru the same stage because I have been staying at both places longer but that does not mean you eventually will have the same view as me.
A post to cheer up the crowd, to keep the spirits up, to pump some adrenaline in the vains.
GoPro action camera under water and a massive ASS!
Location: Asturias Love (Deluxe) Motel SP.
Talent: Model auditioned at Scandallo (or first Test Drived as brasilians say).
Axel Heyst
03-31-23, 19:08
AH can get something like this, maybe with a bed or Jacuzzi on the terrace that he can smoke with his girls, instead of smoking outside a hotel. LOL. The majority of Colombia working girls that I know like weed, some almost worship this stuff. That would work out well for him. Hey wait a minute, I resemble that remark. Yeah, I prefer to stay in hotel rooms with balconies so my pretty marijuanitas can always feel welcome and at home. KKK.
I know this is not the right thread for it, but here is my list of SP hotel rooms with balconies (in no particular order of preference): InterContinental, Marriott Executive Apt Hotel, Grand Mercure SP Itaim Bibi, Gran Estanplaza Berrini, Melia Jardim Europa, and Clarion Faria Lima. In RJ my balcony list includes the Grand Hyatt, Fairmont, and Windsor California. With some hotels it is necessary to pay more for a room with a balcony upgrade, but rooms in other hotels like the Hyatt Barra, the Fairmont, & Fasano in RJ, the Marriott Executive Apt Hotel, the Grand Mercure Itaim Bibi in SP all come with balconies.
A room with a jacuzzi on the balcony is a very nice additional feature, but it is a much harder order to fill. If you want one you will have to check out various condos for rent. I fondly remember renting a condo in a building called View Talay 6 in Pattaya for 10 days once upon a time pre Covid. The owner had fixed up his spacious pad for serious play with among other things a jacuzzi on an extended balcony overlooking a Pattaya Beach and the view was just fucking amazing. The girls loved that balcony.
My flight arrived this morning at GRU. Picked up my rental car, drove to the hotel in Pinhieros. Got a nice taco down the street then walked to the bank for some play money. I had purchased a Brasil sim card when here in December and was afraid I had lost the number so walked quite a bit further to a mall with a Vivo store and the nice lady added 3 months to my number so now it is working and has lots of minutes. Had a phone call and watched the eye candy in the mall.
Then it started to rain and I thought it could be waited out. Got some ice cream etc but finally called an Uber - 9 reais to get back to the hotel.
A sweetie who went with me to the airport when I left last time is meeting me at my hotel at 6.
I consider it a wonderful day already.
Thank you for your reply!
I am really excited for my visit in May.
My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.
What are the other options?
Does site like https://www.barravipsrio.com/index.php?f=acompanhantes-sao-paulo-sp.
Have a lot of bait and switch? Whats the going price there?
I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.
Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?
It shouldn't rain that much as December to March. I only noticed a drastic reduction of talent during Christmas and New Year weeks 'cause girls go to visit their families.
June can bring southeast cold weather, cold enough to fall some snow in Porto Alegre. Make sure your hotel or air bnb has heating.
Pictures attached of Porto Alegre, 650 miles south Sao Paulo, during the same June week.
I rather prefer November-December 'cause I love to pick ficha rosas from car and bike events, but May June is just fine.
BigButtDetecto
04-01-23, 00:43
A post to cheer up the crowd, to keep the spirits up, to pump some adrenaline in the vains.
GoPro action camera under water and a massive ASS!
Location: Asturias Love (Deluxe) Motel SP.
Talent: Model auditioned at Scandallo (or first Test Drived as brasilians say).These curvy girls are hard to find here in tijuana and they are expensive. Not like in south America.
Unfortunately, it also happens in Brazil, bait and switch is common if you fall on the wide variety of wrong websites.
Nothing better than face to face selection.
Here my report on the subject. Don't ask me the site I picked her from, I was browsing so many that day in particular.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2755200#post2755200.
Thank you for your reply!
I am really excited for my visit in May.
My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.
What are the other options?
Does site like https://www.barravipsrio.com/index.php?f=acompanhantes-sao-paulo-sp.
Have a lot of bait and switch? Whats the going price there?
I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.
Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?
Hey wait a minute, I resemble that remark. Yeah, I prefer to stay in hotel rooms with balconies so my pretty marijuanitas can always feel welcome and at home. KKK.....I do the same that is why I identify with you in particular. My comment is not about pure sex. I hope that clarifies it. If one gets a balcony at a very high floor in Sao Paulo, it is quite nice overlooking the city. Medellin is a valley so that kind of view is quite common.
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My plan is to ...?You don't have to drink alcohol or even buy drink. You can check the clubmodel website for SP and check GP-Guia for reviews if there is one available. I would guess it would start from 500 and above. The first one I took was 600 and that was a while ago.
You can search for "Clinica" "Prime" for places to go.
A post to cheer up the crowd, to keep the spirits up, to pump some adrenaline in the vains.
GoPro action camera under water and a massive ASS!
Location: Asturias Love (Deluxe) Motel SP.
Talent: Model auditioned at Scandallo (or first Test Drived as brasilians say).Great post and motivation to get back to SP ASAP!
Come on man, post a pic of your local talent!
The girl from the underwater video now has a way too big ass, even for my tastes. Back then her ass was natural.
I like from very fitness to curvy shape butts. And I know what I'm talking about. I'm sure John Stagliano and John Leslie would look at my clips with great attention jajajaja.
Note: Luna, her battle name, loved the stockings I purchased and she kept them as part of the payment, and her signed release of course.
These curvy girls are hard to find here in tijuana and they are expensive. Not like in south America.
Thank you for your reply!
I am really excited for my visit in May.
My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.
What are the other options?
Does site like https://www.barravipsrio.com/index.php?f=acompanhantes-sao-paulo-sp.
Have a lot of bait and switch? Whats the going price there?
I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.
Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?I am possibly going back in May too and the weather should be perfect for me coming from the NorthEast of the USA.
When I went to Scandallo, I didn't have any alcohol and met my minimum spend. If you are not much of a drinker nor want to eat, you can use your spend on buying a lady, who you really want to vet, a drink and it won't impact your overall spending. If you want to find the premium women who are on some of those websites that won't be a bait and switch, I'd go to one of the clubs that many have mentioned here and start a conversation to see if they meet what you want.
You can also do a ton of research, but that is also a gamble. Personally, I learned that Paulistas overall move at a slower pace. I started a conversation to meet with a lady at 11:00 am to meet and we didn't connect until 4 pm. In the USA If I start a convo with an indy, more than likely, I am meeting within 1-2 hours. So factor in the amount of time you are willing to invest in booking an indy too. Not saying it to discourage you, but to let you know what to expect.
My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.
I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.
Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?Going to the clubs by yourself can be a great experience. Many are forced out of their comfort zone. You focus your attention on interacting with the girls and watching the scene.
Now that's not to say, it isn't fun to hang with other guys at a boate (club). However, with my crew that tends to break down as soon as we start heading to the rooms. As the evening progresses we're totally engrossed in the women and scouting out more. One time my buddy said, it's our last night. Let's have a nice dinner, relax and hang before we pursue women. That plan went to shit when the first hottie came over and started flirting with one of our crew.
As far as safety of an Airbnb, I would say you should focus on booking a place that has a reception desk in the building. Nobody goes in without being invited by a resident. That's very common in Sao Paulo. When you're in your place with the girl, you have to exercise common sense as you would anywhere in the world. Don't leave valuables out, etc.
Five months in South America. November '22 thru March '23.
These are simply my experiences and viewpoints. Your or others experiences may be completely different.
Background so it puts things in perspective. Well traveled and well experienced in our sport. Wrong side of 60, I do not speak conversational Spanish and speak almost no Portuguese. I stay in Airbnb's that allow guests. I have been traveling to Colombia for (guessing) 10 years. I have made 3 extended trips to Brazil in the past year. Spent 2 two months in Medellin, then flew to Sao Paulo for 2 months, then back to Medellin for 3 weeks. I prefer to spend time with my dates rather than the 1 hour quick appointments. I don't disregard the quick smash altogether, but longer encounters are my preference.
Medellin: Yes, it's changed dramatically over the past 10 years with the influx of tourist and like minded hobbyist. I see the criticisms of Medellin and certainly agree with many. Medellin now takes a bit more effort than it did in years prior, but should hardly be passed over as a destination. The first time visitor may initially be disappointed with the immediate availability of talent. However, with effort on Facebook, there is a treasure trove of young talented woman. There are still many point and shoot options in Medellin, but not nearly as many as before. Not looking for any arguments, but in my opinion, Medellin is the place to go if you are searching for the more part-time 18-25 year old talent.
My current Facebook ({which is dedicated to Medellin only) has me at 3700 "friends". I have accumulated those over the past 10 years. I have around 5 male friends and the rest are. Talent. I have no idea how many of those are still active. But my point is, amass a friends list and the talent you will be rewarded with will be outstanding. No, I won't share my Facebook with anyone.
Medellin is also, in my opinion, much less expensive than Sao Paulo. I have not experienced enough of Rio yet to give a complete comparison point of view. Rio was initially off my list, but after a brief visit in February, I will return!
I spent most of my time with a 21 year old over the months I was in Medellin. Met her on Facebook of course. Had no other gringo "friends" on Facebook. For those that like the big butts, big boobs, she would not be your type. Other than having the typical Colombian look, I would describe her as having more of an Asian (Thai) body. The girl loves to give head. We'll be out in a restaurant or mall and she'll say in English, I want to suck you. Oh, and yes, she is attractive in my opinion. Very attractive. For comparison, I spent a lot of time in Sao Paulo. I have spent many nights in the top clubs. She would easily be in the top 10% of the talent pool at Scandallo.
Bottom line, if you are not getting the performance you want in Colombia, you are not putting in the effort. You will not get the GFE / PSE performance of the hard core workers, but the hidden talent is amazing. I suspect with some effort and after a few trips you too will have a talent pool worth returning to over and over.
Sao Paulo: I was there in January and February. Met some decent like minded travelers but didn't get to hang out with them much.
I have a lot to say about Sao Paulo but will keep it brief. I again prefer the longer "dates".
First, Sao Paulo (SP from now on) is much more expensive than Medellin.
The talent pool in SP is wide a varied, however in MY experience the talent is both thicker in body type and mostly 25 and older. YES, there are younger and thinner gals, but overall that's my viewpoint. In fact the woman on twitter often post work out routines and they include squatting. They tend to want the thicker upper legs and thicker butts.
Daytime talent. SP has Medellin beat hands down on daytime places to visit. However, walking into these places does not guarantee you finding a gal of your taste. SP is a big city and with that there many guys in these places. Often the roster will have 10-15 girls working, with only a few available at any given moment. Daytime places can be inexpensive, but you will need to hunt. Someone mentioned Club 57 recently. In my opinion the girls were average at best. Never saw that girl I had to have. Was always approached by the aggressive ones. Hard to get rid of at times. Never sessioned there but hung out some nights just to have an early evening beer. Beers were about $6.00 USA.
Night time clubs generally get going around midnight.
Scandallo opens much earlier and is less expensive to enter early. I have read the reports of amazing talent at Scandallo. Initially that first moment is WOW. That will wear off after a dozen visits. The number of girls on site at peak time is in the 100's. But there will usually be as many men on site. I have seen fat, ugly and fat and ugly woman walking around. Not all are goddesses. With that said, you should find your type. After dozens of visits it got old for me. As others have said you go for the "experience". Can't agree more.
Casarao It's actually, what I was told, was the first night club of it's type in SP. I visited often because of it's low entrance fee. Through out the night the ratio of men to woman would vary. The girls will dress a bit more conservative (less formal). I suspect those guys that visit the place on a two week or less time span will see what they like. I however totally disagree with the ratio of men to woman. Frequently I saw the ratio of men to woman greater than 3-1, men to woman. I went on a Saturday night and at 1 am the place was packed with easily 5-1 men to woman. Granted, there are guys that just come in groups to have a beer and clog up the place, but they are still occupying the girls with small talk.
I hit several other clubs, all of which have been mentioned over and over. Prices are negotiable in the night time clubs.
I found my two favorites and paid them $200 USA For the night. Spent many days / nights with both. I used to like "the hunt". Now I prefer dinner, drinks, Netflix and that morning shag.
There are some "locals" clubs in the seedy areas of the city. I don't have names or addresses at hand, but if you have a wingman who speaks Porto, worth exploring. Just Uber to the front door and Uber out the front door. One club not mentioned much anymore is Connections. It's a long ass Uber ride at night so I never went. Next trip I will get a hotel close by and spend the night in the area. Heard it's owned by same person as Scandallo, so may have some hidden talent from the local area.
Did a side trip to Iguazo Falls. Spent three nights to do the tourist thing. I didn't think there would be any decent talent in the local clubs and waited until the last night to visit Crystals Club. There are 2 other clubs in the smaller city per an Uber driver. I arrived at Crystals around 9 if my memory serves me. 20-25 woman and 2 or 3 guys. Got approached by of course the less attractive gals but damn, there were 2 or 3 hot gals in the club. I was smitten and I had just spent tow months in Medellin and a month in SP. I was in the mood to do some drinking and partying so ended up doing just that with a few of the talent. Never got around to sampling anything. One girl topped anything in Scandallo. She made her availability known to me on several close encounter walk-bys, but I was usually engaged with another. Two or 3 spoke English. They have an amazing outside area with a pool to take your prospect out to and drink / negotiate. On Saturday's they have "pool" day where the girls apparently are in swimwear.
I strongly considered flying back for a few days but never did. The ratio of men / woman never got over 2 woman for every 1 guy. Much better than anything in SP. I certainly could have gotten lucky on my one visit to the place with the talent being outstanding. So if you happen to go, it was just the one visit.
Rio. I only spent two nights there right after the Carnival ended. It was peaceful and a fantastic change from the big urban cement city of SP. I will return to explore. I actually took my favorite gal from SP to Rio. Wanted a (pretty) wingman to do the tourist stuff. Paid her $100 USA Per day plus food / drinks / tourist crap of course. Worth every cent. She is considered thin in Brazil, model type body. Tall and without curves. Long legged like I like. Her body type is far and few in SP.
Bottom line. My opinion. For shorter trips and with some effort Medellin is still the go to place. SP is that much more time to get to and much more expensive. I saw guys throwing some serious cash around in Medellin and they certainly had the talent paying attention. My gut feeling is Rio has a lot more to do during the day when you are not chasing tail. Darker skinned gals are more available. Was having my morning coffee at Starbucks and an obvious working girl was observed leaving an apartment next door. A drop dead 10. Dark skinned, model thin, gorgeous. OMG hot. Rio is high on my next trip.
I am open to private messages. I don't often check the website so forgive me if I don't answer quickly.
Please, I'm not looking for arguments. It's about each of our experiences. You may be Bratt Pitt in appearance with a boat-load of cash. I care for myself but can't reverse the aging process. I have enough disposable cash to enjoy almost any of the talent in any of the places.
Excuse any typos or grammatical errors please.
My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.
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I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.
Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?As someone who travels alone most of the time, typically I actually prefer it. Groups of guys tend to invite groups of girls, which means you can get stuck talking to someone you don't want. I'd also imagine women are less likely to come down on price in front of their peers. I enjoy drinking with friends, but picking up women isn't something I like to mix with that. Also while I don't get sloppy drunk at the clubs, I've never felt uncomfortable having 3-4 drinks while I hangout.
The large clubs are very safe, and even the small ones tend to be in my experience. At Scandallo and Bomboa you are picked up and dropped off in a secure spot. Casarao is the only one of the big three that presents any danger, and even then it is minimal. I've found that the street around the club is pretty wild, and Ubers will often drop off or pick up on the opposite side of the street, potentially leaving you exposed.
For your Airbnb, like another poster mentioned as long as you have a desk it should be very safe. Best of luck!
HappyGoLucky13
04-01-23, 19:06
I like to thank everyone who contributed to this forum for helping me with my trip back to Brazil.
After being away from Brazil for 15 years I had a wonderful experience seeing people.
I have not seen in 15 years or had any contact with them and meeting people for.
The first time and the country itself going back down memory lane.
Why did it take me 15 years to get back to a country that showed me so much love is a question that should be answered.
And I will if the ISG will allow me to when I share my experience about traveling.
Around the world playing this lovely game we called SEX I first like to give back to what was so freely given to me.
I like to share my experience in São Paulo. I was there for two weeks I originally was planning to be there for three weeks.
But I stayed longer in Rio because I needed to see some people I have not seen or contacted in 15 years.
The time I was in São Paulo I went to scandals everyday and visited Casarao one day and left and went to scandal and one day went to café photo.
And left and went to scandals so what I have to contribute to this magnificent forum is my SCANDAL experience.
I left São Paulo March 20, I'm still coming down from my experience in Brazil please forgive me but not all the information.
I received in Brazil was good information because I lived in Brazil for 5 years and some of the information I received about people who I.
Love and loved me are not here with us today so please give me just a little time to share with me my Scandal experience.
I like to thank the ISG forum again for your excellent service on helping me return to Brazil.
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