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Great report Jet69, congrats for the long trip.
Any place will show its true colors after the third consecutive visit, and of course they are women and men from the night life. Heavy vibe is common.
Something that nobody mentioned or only happened to me in Scandallo. I shared drinks with a transexuals / ladyboy few years ago in a Scandallo table.
I called her / him to my table because she / he was tall and had this impresive athlete model type body. But the donkey jaw and the apple in the throat while talking, so I left after a few minutes.
And I can prove it by PM!
Five months in South America. November '22 thru March '23.
Scandallo opens much earlier and is less expensive to enter early. I have read the reports of amazing talent at Scandallo. Initially that first moment is WOW. That will wear off after a dozen visits. The number of girls on site at peak time is in the 100's. But there will usually be as many men on site. I have seen fat, ugly and fat and ugly woman walking around. Not all are goddesses. With that said, you should find your type. After dozens of visits it got old for me. As others have said you go for the "experience". Can't agree more.
... Casarao is the only one of the big three that presents any danger, and even then it is minimal. I've found that the street around the club is pretty wild, and Ubers will often drop off or pick up on the opposite side of the street, potentially leaving you exposed.
...The Casarao doorman often insisted I should stay inside the club gate while calling an Uber. He meant if I stood out on the pavement working my Samsung Z-fold it would soon get snatched.
The Casarao doorman often insisted I should stay inside the club gate while calling an Uber. He meant if I stood out on the pavement working my Samsung Z-fold it would soon get snatched.That are is not unsafe because there are business open all night. The phone snatchers are usually on bicycle so that is what one has to look out for no matter where you are. It has happened to me near Repulbica twice on sidewalk. Once late at night, once at busy daytime hour right in front of the large Bradsco branch office. They would try to surprise you and snatch something even when there is nothing obvious they can take.
...Daytime talent. SP has Medellin beat hands down on daytime places to visit.....Since it is so quiet here. I will add some comments.
It depends. Medellin has much larger daytime scene. The main difference to me and why SP is far superior is the service level and cleanness of the rooms when we are comparing places similar to clinicas. In most places in Medellin, you won't get DFK or kissing, BBBJ at all without an upcharge. DFK or kissing is difficult to get or not very good. The rooms are often nasty by clinica standard. I think not changing sheets between session is normal. You may not have hot water. Some higher price ones may change sheet but I could never tell. There is only one that I have been to that I saw the girl change sheet like the clinica and I have been to many but this one has a shared bathroom so still not perfect. More money may not buy you more service without upcharge. The one that charge more than clinica has the most limited service but they do have best looking girls on average. There are exceptions to the generalization of service above but the rooms are usually bad that some mongers simply won't enjoy that environment.
If you like Rio Centro, then Medellin will be paradise to you if you have enough time. The key is you need time to gain experience to get what you want while everything in Brazil is somewhat automatic.
Based on the above, I would say for short stay Brazil is better because it's far less effort for newbies. But other experienced members that I also respect have said if differently. One has to decide what is more important and I hope this will help you make an informed decision.
One has to decide what is more important and I hope this will help you make an informed decision.This is profound to me. I like this statement.
For me, the culture of SP and probably Brazil at large fits my style. We can appreciate that a place may not be to our liking based on so many factors and go with it. As an example, some guys LOVE Montreal to hobby, while others prefer Germany, etc. And that is all okay. At the end of the day, you have to go with what makes you satisfied with the experience you invested in.
ThisOneFs1
04-05-23, 01:18
Hi, I am an Indian living in the US and visiting SP for 1 week for the first time. I have mongered in Hong Kong, Macau, Thailand, US and India.
Based on the previous posts and PMs, I have shortlisted: Scandello, Casarao, 57 Friends boates.
Clinicas: Lotus, Oro, Palms, Prime, Miruna, Tangara, Abbobara, Enjoy, Brooklin, Taj mahal.
Can you please help me with the following*?
1. Planning to use Google Fi sim. Is it reliable?
2. Always use Uber. Anything to be aware of?
3. Checked google images and they don't have name*boards for Clinicas. Are they easy to find? Also if Clinicas close 9 they take last apnt at 9 or 8 ?
4. Will be roaming alone. Any issues with Indian ethnicity in roads, clubs and clinicas?
5. No portuguese. Is a translator*app enough?
6. Read about safety. Any precautions to take apart from avoiding mobile phones in streets.
7. Any suggestions for Clinicas open on Sundays? Tangara and Prime.
SocratesNY
04-05-23, 08:43
Hi, I am an Indian living in the US and visiting SP for 1 week for the first time. I have mongered in Hong Kong, Macau, Thailand, US and India.
Based on the previous posts and PMs, I have shortlisted: Scandello, Casarao, 57 Friends boates.
Clinicas: Lotus, Oro, Palms, Prime, Miruna, Tangara, Abbobara, Enjoy, Brooklin, Taj mahal.
Can you please help me with the following*?Normally, I would not reply to your post as all the info. Have been covered by posters within the last 6 months to year. But you have obviously done a bit of RTFF to come up with some options that fits your style. I know it can be daunting to go through lots of pages of find the info. You want, but here are some tips for searching, as well as some concise answers to your questions. For more in-depth answers, you will have to do more research / RTFF.
Searching:
1) Read the reports of distinctions thread. It has lots of great contributions by BMs.
2) Search by posts by specific posters that have posted things that you find useful / agree with (as that means you have similar tastes / hobbying styles).
I know I've personally covered most, if not all, of your questions in my previous posts, sometimes in my reports, sometimes in sort of mini-guides / overall take ways from a trip. Same has been done by countless other BMs.
Even if you just quickly scan / scroll through the posts, you can easily find more detailed posts that fits those two criterias and stop and jot down notes.
1. Planning to use Google Fi sim. Is it reliable?
Yes.
2. Always use Uber. Anything to be aware of?
Use Uber black to save time.
3. Checked google images and they don't have name*boards for Clinicas. Are they easy to find? Also if Clinicas close 9 they take last apnt at 9 or 8 ?
Usually closing time is closing time so 1 hour before if you want an 1 hour session. But sometimes they do take last appointment at closing time. Send them a whatsapp to inquire.
4. Will be roaming alone. Any issues with Indian ethnicity in roads, clubs and clinicas?
My Indian friends didn't notice much ethnic bias during their travels. In fact, most thrived in SP and had experiences that most would kill for. With that said, YMMV. It depends on how your present and carry yourself. Also depends which part of town, which club and which clinica or girl. Too general of a question to answer.
5. No portuguese. Is a translator*app enough?
Yes. But again YMMV. Depends on the part of town, the venue, the girl, etc. But knowing even know simple greetings and common tourist questions can go far. It shows respect toward the place and people are you visiting. And usually you get the same respect back.
6. Read about safety. Any precautions to take apart from avoiding mobile phones in streets.
Avoid sketchy parts of town, pay attention to your surroundings, Uber from place to place, avoid walking alone at night, etc. But even all of those precautions can still get you pinched. Just part of life. You can take extra precautions by carrying a hobby phone you don't care about, don't carry too much cash, and carry just 1 ATM card and 1 CC.
7. Any suggestions for Clinicas open on Sundays? Tangara and Prime.Both are open as well as Miruna. Tangara is especially popular on Sundays and have a big roster on Sundays it seems. As it caters to more blue collar locals and bargain hunters.
SocratesNY
04-05-23, 09:12
Five months in South America. November '22 thru March '23.
These are simply my experiences and viewpoints. Your or others experiences may be completely different...Great post man! I don't have much to add. For once you left me speechless!
Your sentiments regarding SP pretty much echoes my own. For my situation and hobbying style, SP is #1 for me though.
I get the same vibe about RJ as you, although like you, I've only had limited time there.
No comments on Medellin as I've never been there but I hear lots of great things from friends that have.
However, the time sink factor, to get similar service that I get with ease from Brasileras (whether pros or non-Pros), is one of the many reasons that I keep postponing my Colombian trips. I've found good GFE / PSE to be pretty much default among Brazilian women.
Your very balanced and descriptive post and similar hobbying outlook has made me read up on your previous adventures! Great reads!
SocratesNY
04-05-23, 09:55
I too go to Scandallo, but more for the atmosphere of a high end club with the possibility of bedding someone. I actually go and often spend 200 USA on drinks / food. I go thinking I won't session.Haha. I've finally reached that same point. After 50+ trips to Scandallo, one of my recent trips there ended with me leaving with a big consumption bills (which is the norm) and empty balls (a first at Scandallo! Thank God I've recently branched out of my comfort zone and experienced Casarao, which allowed my evening and morning to end on a high note.
Friday woke up with hangover and thought I needed to take a night off. Went to a local club promising myself to drink water. An hour later. Drinking beer. Hooked up with a cutie and she promised a good time. But two other local guys convinced me to leave the place and go to another club with them. I know, sounds like a bad idea and I declined. Got one of their WhatsApp numbers and about 15 minutes after they left, got a text. Come to the club, ALOT better woman.
I had a few similar experiences with local guys, but at Scandallo rather than a local club. I passed each time, as I was either waiting on a friend or out of sense of caution. Did get some contact info. And they told me to hit them up whenever I am next in town and wanted to hang and some wingmen (they were all in groups of 3 to 5). I would have taken them up on their offer, but my subsequent trips were all with friends who took up my time.
Damn, struck gold. Walked in and 25 woman maybe 10 guys. I immediately spot my type of gal but just smile and promise myself to look around for 15 minutes. I like the model type body. There were at least 4 that were 8's and 1 TALL asian looking beauty I would rate a 9. Dressed in long elegant gown with heals. She was sitting with a guy so I scratched her off list. I went back to the lady dressed in a shorter leather skirt and grey high heals. Damn. Solid 8. Local guy came over and because it was his birthday I offered him first dabs on her. She told him she preffered to have a drink with me.
Next 3 hours drank vodka mixed drinks with her. Birthday guy bought a bottle and asked me to join his party.
Brazilians are such friendly people! I've drank with many groups of locals when alone at Scandallo. Some were real spenders and they happily sharing their high end bottles going for R5 K to R8 K each. Other times when I was with friends, our two groups would form a big group and drink and talk about food, women, work, our travels and of course women!
Eventually this girl is cuddling, hand holding, rubbning my back. Pure GFE without the ball rubbing pse stuff many do in the clubs. Twice I have had girls reach into my pants. So I am getting drunk and in English I say, can I lick your face. Of course she doesn't understand but says NO. I laugh and repeat it. She asks for Google translator and I type in I am joking, but can I lick your face. She replies on the translator, can I lick your balls. Party until 4 am. Back to my room for 500 to her and exit fee. She goes to bathroom and comes out in neglige, stockings, heals. Fifteen minute strip TEASE. Full on sex for over an hour. Finally nutted on her face and wanted to sleep. She wanted more sex. Blew me for another 20 minutes trying to get round two out of me. She finally says she has to go home, no kids, but two dogs. Everytime she gets partially dressed she is stopping and blowing me in different positions. She tries to take off her clothes again but I convince her to go.
So those that are not getting GFE. It's you. I have my failures but the secret sauce is to have fun and get the girl to LIKE you. If you are a pretty boy and think that's all you need to get GFE. You are dead wrong. You might be able to get the 8's and 9's, but put time into them. Treat THEM like girlfriends and get to know THEM.
So TRUE! Showing a girl a good time and showing them respect gets you that back and then some!
I've had so many girls from Scandallo just don't want to leave and keep giving me pleasure. Some of the best ones were able to get me to perform like I was 25 again. I am usually a 1 and done guy, but a few Brazilian women were able to get me a 2nd pop right after the first. One magical unicorn got me to pop 3 x back to back to back.
Oh, the tall asain gal was free shortly after I had already invited my eventual girlfriend for the night to myntable. The tall japanese looking remained free all night. Damn I'll be back.
Which club am I speaking about? Not going to disclose. Don't stick to the well known clubs. Venture out. Be a person, not a sex hound. You will get your GFE mixed with PSE.
I would normally ask this via PM, but your mailbox is full!
I know you said you won't tell, but was it Liberal Club?
That was the one club that was mentioned a few times by different groups of guys at Scandallo that I drank with. They usually go to Scandallo to hang, drink and maybe get digits. Then usually head to Liberal Club or another local club to finish the night. I always found it amusing that they used Scandallo as a pre-game for a more local club. When I would think it would be the reverse!
Side note. I am 60 plus. I can do it. You can too.
Second side note. Hopefully won't start an unitended race debate, but overheard conversation by girls when a couoke of well dressed black gentleman walked in. They both said they won't go with negroe. Not sure how the black gentleman from Europe / USA are being treated in the clubs. Clinicas girls have no choice. But maybe being shunned in the clubs?
I've heard it all from working girls at Scandallo, either overheard or from girls I know or their friends. Some won't go with locals, some don't like darker skinned guys, others don't like young handsome guys, others don't like Asians, etc. Also heard the opposite as some prefer those kind of guys. All the girls have little cliques as well. Skinny girls hang with their own, curvy girls hang together, etc. And girls gossip like there is no tomorrow. Many look down at some girls that work at Casarao and other local clubs, and there is a cross-pollination of girls among various clubs.
I just don't pay them no mind. It's human nature. Everyone has their preference in terms of looks, etc. Some girls are more tactful and educated or well-mannered enough to keep those thoughts to themselves, but once they get comfortable with you, they let all those thoughts all hang loose! As I aint trying to marry them, I just shrug it off.
Since it is so quiet here. I will add some comments.
It depends. Medellin has much larger daytime scene. The main difference to me and why SP is far superior is the service level and cleanness of the rooms when we are comparing places similar to clinicas. In most places in Medellin, you won't get DFK or kissing, BBBJ at all without an upcharge. DFK or kissing is difficult to get or not very good. The rooms are often nasty by clinica standard. I think not changing sheets between session is normal. You may not have hot water. Some higher price ones may change sheet but I could never tell. There is only one that I have been to that I saw the girl change sheet like the clinica and I have been to many but this one has a shared bathroom so still not perfect. More money may not buy you more service without upcharge. The one that charge more than clinica has the most limited service but they do have best looking girls on average. There are exceptions to the generalization of service above but the rooms are usually bad that some mongers simply won't enjoy that environment.
If you like Rio Centro, then Medellin will be paradise to you if you have enough time. The key is you need time to gain experience to get what you want while everything in Brazil is somewhat automatic.
Based on the above, I would say for short stay Brazil is better because it's far less effort for newbies. But other experienced members that I also respect have said if differently. One has to decide what is more important and I hope this will help you make an informed decision.Medellin's only advantage is that its cheaper.
FlowState985
04-05-23, 17:28
Based on the previous posts and PMs, I have shortlisted: Scandello, Casarao, 57 Friends boates.57 Friends is more like bar / clinica than a boate (nightclub), you can even go in and ask for a line up like a clinica.
Clinicas: Lotus, Oro, Palms, Prime, Miruna, Tangara, Abbobara, Enjoy, Brooklin, Taj mahal.Lotus, Oro, Palms are high end clinica and only uses tablet. Prime and the rest does presentation in person and you can just go in those places and say "apresentação" for presentation.
3. Checked google images and they don't have name*boards for Clinicas. Are they easy to find? Also if Clinicas close 9 they take last apnt at 9 or 8 ?They are easy to find. Most girls come in around 12-1 probably leave around 6-7.
4. Will be roaming alone. Any issues with Indian ethnicity in roads, clubs and clinicas?It is safe and I felt safe in Moema and Paulista. I was walking around 9-10 PM at night looking for food. Most people drive in SP, and people that normally on motorbike are delivery guys. If you are in downtown, it might be a different scene at night. There is a diverse ethnicity in SP so no problem for you.
6. Read about safety. Any precautions to take apart from avoiding mobile phones in streets.The first time I was in Brazil, I used a burner phone in Rio, but after a couple days I just use my normal phone because I felt it was safer than Colombia and SP was even safer than Rio so I never use the burner phone again in Brazil. But to each his own.
7. Any suggestions for Clinicas open on Sundays? Tangara and Prime.My suggestions is ask the clinicas using WhatsApps for daily updates. They post who is working that day and the hours. You can book appt thru whatsapp as well.
Hi, I am an Indian living in the US and visiting SP for 1 week for the first time. I have mongered in Hong Kong, Macau, Thailand, US and India.
Based on the previous posts and PMs, I have shortlisted: Scandello, Casarao, 57 Friends boates.
Clinicas: Lotus, Oro, Palms, Prime, Miruna, Tangara, Abbobara, Enjoy, Brooklin, Taj mahal.
Can you please help me with the following*?
1. Planning to use Google Fi sim. Is it reliable?
2. Always use Uber. Anything to be aware of?
3. Checked google images and they don't have name*boards for Clinicas. Are they easy to find? Also if Clinicas close 9 they take last apnt at 9 or 8 ?
4. Will be roaming alone. Any issues with Indian ethnicity in roads, clubs and clinicas?
5. No portuguese. Is a translator*app enough?
6. Read about safety. Any precautions to take apart from avoiding mobile phones in streets.
7. Any suggestions for Clinicas open on Sundays? Tangara and Prime.I am also Indian and have been going to Brazil regularly for the last 20 years for work. My answers to your questions are:
1) I don't use google fi. I just buy an esim for my phone for the few days I am there.
2) Uber black. Usually the same price. Nothing to worry about.
3) No experience here.
4) None whatsoever. I have walked thru the streets and never had any issues. Don't make yourself a target. Be aware of your surroundings and stay out of the shitty areas.
5) Yes. Try to learn some basic phrases but you will be fine.
6) Depends on where you are staying. I don't use a burner. I keep my iPhone in my pocket and only take it out to check the maps app if I am following it. At restaurants, if you sit by the window or outside, don't leave your phone on the table. Be aware of your surroundings.
7) No experience here.
Read the forum and have a good time!!
My Indian friends didn't notice much ethnic bias during their travels. In fact, most thrived in SP and had experiences that most would kill for. With that said, YMMV. It depends on how your present and carry yourself. Also depends which part of town, which club and which clinica or girl. Too general of a question to answer.
You are spot in 'how you carry and present yourself". As long as you respect and treat them well and present yourself well including wearing nice, not necessarily fancy, clothes.
I am also Indian and have been going to Brazil regularly for the last 20 years for work. My answers to your questions are:
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2) Uber black. Usually the same price. Nothing to worry about.
... I stopped using Uber black ever since one of them stayed in traffic jams on purpose in a long trip to Zona Leste. Uber blacks get paid for time on top of the basic price while UberXs get paid the price that shows up when you order the ride.
SoberHans69
04-06-23, 19:20
Just noticed two fraudulent charges on my credit card today and I've only used it in Brazil. Pretty much only used that card for contact less payments but not sure where they got my details.
Few words about the wisdom of taxi drivers.
Important to mention that old labor unions of Taxi are still active, they rule the Ponto Taxis (taxi stations with white taxis in SP). Getting one place as a driver, required an important investment, some drivers told me they paid an entrance fee of 10 K-15 K US dollars, in reales of course. Drivers get commissions from bars to bring clients (Uber and ponto taxis do the same). That was the way I got to Zeus bar, but that's another story. Remember current government loves labor unions.
In cities of the interior only (the bast majority of such big country) there are official Moto-Taxis as transport. These guys in particular were very close to working girls as you may imagine. One of these motoboys brought me a GP to my road motel at noon!! It was maybe a woman in her mid 30's I would give her a 6 in beauty, but I took her 'cause I was already feeling like Duran Duran. Hungry like the wolf LOL. F**king at 35 see (95 F) and 90% humidity, the ceiling fan at full throtle because the motel did not have cooling system. My body sliding on her because of the amount to sweat, that woman made me ask for mercy with her moves on top and all the dirty words she said in portuguese. After drying my body from the warm shower, I ran to a lanchonete to buy a cold beer and fire a smoke to bring back my soul to my body. There was a killer sun outside. The GP at the end left the motel and took a bus right in front.
Our friends from India will feel like at home, I suppose jajajaja.
This motoboy brought a physical album of pics so I could choose! That was insane guys, fat women, tall, short, redheads, mulatas, mostly 5's and few 6's for the quality of pics because most girls were in doggy showing the crotch or legs wide open. They had also other albums I did not dare to browse. That was really some wild popular pussy and visual impacting, I can say.
Even the interior of Sao Paulo will have these motoboys. They are great source of popular fun. I also like to taste popular from time to time, there can be incredible surprises, or hidden gems as you call.
Note: I don't post this info on the Cuiaba threat becasue that's a dead part of the forum.
At first I thought it was a bad idea when Alexa introduced the blond girl with channel hair cut. She looked like boring and a normal figure and I was really thinking of calling the production.
I was so wrong. She had very long legs, ultra high heels and a juicy ass. She really knew how to interact with the camera.
For photo / video tips, always glad to answer your questions by PM.
Note: One pic always to show it was really SP where this took place and Alexa on the far right.
HombreIndio
04-07-23, 17:32
Hi, I am an Indian living in the US and visiting SP for 1 week for the first time. I have mongered in Hong Kong, Macau, Thailand, US and India.
Based on the previous posts and PMs, I have shortlisted: Scandello, Casarao, 57 Friends boates.
Clinicas: Lotus, Oro, Palms, Prime, Miruna, Tangara, Abbobara, Enjoy, Brooklin, Taj mahal.
Can you please help me with the following*?
1. Planning to use Google Fi sim. Is it reliable?
2. Always use Uber. Anything to be aware of?
3. Checked google images and they don't have name*boards for Clinicas. Are they easy to find? Also if Clinicas close 9 they take last apnt at 9 or 8 ?.Hello fellow Indian,
No ethnicity issues in Latin America. We Indians blend right in because of our complexion.
Yes, clinicas don't announce their names on boards but they are super easy to find. Especially Tangara which is my favorite place to go. Don't know if they are open on Sundays or not.
Uber is my preferred way of transportation but I have experienced Uber drivers selecting the ride and then cancelling it due to traffic / weather. Expect delays getting picked up.
Beside mongering, if you don't mind eating beef, do have a Mortadella sandwich in Mercado Municipal. Usually my first stop in Sao Paulo.
...Beside mongering, if you don't mind eating beef.No problem if one does not eat beef, try a Pernil sandwich that is made of pork and one can easily get 24 hrs a day. I think Pernil is more local, while what you had is more international.
I've returned to see my apostle Saint Paul and he laid before me a city of concrete and great splendor that only one dreams of.
In my Journey, I ventured with 3 other brothers in arms, each with their own tales to tell but this one is mine.
PREFACE
There are some words of advice I'd like to bestow upon thee before I ventured any further.
LOCATION
Moema is a nice area and one would think being 5 mins away walking distance to the major clinicas would be a smart move, it is not. The problem you will find is that the airplanes constantly go over your head day and night and do not cease. I stayed in the moema area to show a new SP visitor around town and it was not worth it in his own words. I'm a heavy sleeper but still it did bug me when I just wanted to read my essential reading materials such as The Complete Calvin and Hobbes (paperback) and Pale Fire by Vladimir Nabokov.
There is no ideal location to stay at. You will be far from either the boates or the clinicas or something else. There is no "right spot" to stay at. I stayed in moema for the first 10 days then went to the Grand Hyatt in brooklin area. I think a good compromise is Brooklin novo. It's only 10 min ride away to the clinicas and 30 mins from bomboa, scandallo and casarao more or less. It's also a decent area which you have to remember is important because some girls will flat out refuse to come over if you're in a bad neighborhood like Repblica. They'll tell you to come to them or get a love motel and you don't want that if you can help it.
AIRBNB and HOTEL
I used Airbnb and my host had it written down that I had to check in every guest that I had coming in. It really made it annoying some days. Eventually I just went pass the front desk but this can be a problem if the building sees this as a problem and can kick you out. If a host says you can't have visitor or you have a limit I'd take that into consideration and look for something else. I'd ask them what the method is to get in the building as some places you get a keyfob or they use face scanner to let you in and you just bypass security or times you need to talk to the front desk every time and that's when you have a problem usually.
Also take into consideration of hotels. Some girls will only go to a guys place if it's a hotel. I had some scandallo girls tell me this and online girls. Since this is my 6th rodeo I had some girls who I had a repeat with come to my airbnb but that's because they knew I was 300 like the romans (300 = CCC = cool, calm, collective).
I stayed in the Grand Hyatt at their presidential suite which is their best suite and it was a delight. I was there during lollapalooza festival so it was extra interesting as some of the artists were staying on the same floor and security was extra tight as there was a ton of fan girls waiting to see their favorite artists walk by. I'm sure some were for me as well but I didn't pay them no mind.
Things to take note of is that the maximum registered guests you can have for your stay is 3 people. Anything over that you have to pay R150. The rooms is big enough to have 6-8 people over so really it's up to you if you want to pay that extra cost for an 4 some or more. Before 7 pm they don't really care about you bringing a girl or 2 or 4 over because they know you have friends that will want to come over but after 7 pm they have a security guard at the front who will guide you to the front desk to sign in your guests because they assume anyone coming in after 7 pm might stay the night and they don't want a fiesta happening in your place without getting a piece of that sweet action. Once a girl leaves make sure to sign them out so you have two guests available to come still. The front desk might try to squeeze you like a Heinz EZ Squirt Purple ketchup bottle and say you already used up your 2 guest spots and now you have to pay R150 for any new visitors. That's not how it works. It's any two guests at any given time. As long as you signed out any previous guests you don't have to pay unless you go over the room limit. It's usually a different front desk person so they might be confused so just politely tell them you are within the limit and clear up the confusion.
With the presidential suite you also get free breakfast, usually that means downstairs on the first floor but you can also get it sent to your room complimentary. You have to use the hotel's website to order your breakfast combo and add it to your room charge and schedule it but once you check out it will be noted as complimentary and you don't pay. A buddy of mine who has been there many many time never knew this and always missed breakfast. With the jacuzzi and it's view of the city it's really the best spot in SP. Your girl will go wild.
CASH IS KING
I recommend getting a charles schwab debit card so you don't have to pay any ATM fees. The grand hyatt notoriously has a high ATM fee, something like 30% of whatever you're taking out. Its crazy. Sometimes you will get a POS ATM situation like this so the CS debit card will save you some brain cells and dollars. I like using the bradesco atms as they work with international debit cards and they have a 2500 BRL withdrawal and some let you pick what type of bills you get. There are some 24 HR ATM machines located in supermarkets and express stores but they only let you take out 1000 BRL.
Always keep cash with you as it can save you alot of money and stress down the road. I mainly use my credit card to get those points but when you pay the girl it's always best to pay by cash as some places will charge you 10%-30% to pay them with card. Some girls have machines but they will also charge you or their machines won't work and now you have to find a ATM at 3 am and that's never fun.
HEALTH
You should get on PREP before you head out. Takes about 2 weeks to be effective and you will have some peace of mind. Most Health insurance covers it. You can buy good skyn condoms at the pharmacies and you can get sildenafil or Tadalafil (generic Cialis) there as well. Its pretty cheap. Get some mouth wash as well. Scandallo has tons in their mens bathroom but the girls don't so I've had some funny encounters where the girls will ask me to sneak them some out of the mens bathroom because they can't go in. I know some guys like to make out with their girls hardcore but make sure to wash that mouth right away because some girls aren't as hygienic as others. They will clean their pussy and ass but only a few times I've seen a girl brush her teeth or get mouthwash.
If you start to feel sick go to the pharmacy and get some meds for sore throat / coughing right away. Once you get sick you won't have the strength to do anything let alone girls. I had a friend ignore my advice and he was out of action for a good 5 days which could have easily been dealt with. If you feel bad enough go to a clinic and get some stronger meds just in case. Once you're out of commission you might as well be on your outgoing flight because you're gone.
CELLPHONE
I'm a tmobile customer and tmobile gives its MAX Magenta user 5 gb free international data so as soon as I landed I was up and running. You can also get Google Fi and it does the same thing for $20 or so. You can also use the airport's WIFI and get an uber straight to the nearest mall where you will be staying at and get a sim card from TIM but I helped a friend do that and went with him and it took about two hours before it became active so it's kind of a hassle if you don't need to do this.
BUDDY SYSTEM
for sao paulo i would recommend you come with a buddy or meet other members there. Sao Paulo is great but doing the boates alone really is a wretched experience especially when you have done it with a group of buddies before. you can really relax and take your time to soak it all in and get some more insights from your buddy as you only have two eyeballs and two heads with one doing most of the decision making. In my experience, every guy has their own tastes and there usually is very little crossover. I, myself, am very fond of pale redhead with blue/green eyes and my buddies were into the exact opposites. they knew my type and could easily point a girl out that i would like faster than i did at times. you can't visit all the places and be there at the same time so they can get you some important info about the kind of talent one place has and so on. sao paulo really in essence is going from one building to another to another with lots of uber rides in between so it's better with company during those times. i would highly recommend you stay in the same building if you're doing Airbnb or the same hotel. it really saves time and when you're in need of help they are only a few floors away and not blocks. I ran out of condoms once and money with two girl over and my friend was able to come up to my floor and drop off a box and some cash.
I've returned to see my apostle Saint Paul and he laid before me a city of concrete and great splendor that only one dreams of.
In my Journey, I ventured with 3 other brothers in arms, each with their own tales to tell but this one is mine.
PREFACE
There are some words of advice I'd like to bestow upon thee before I ventured any further.
LOCATION
Moema is a nice area and one would think being 5 mins away walking distance to the major clinicas would be a smart move, it is not. The problem you will find is that the airplanes constantly go over your head day and night and do not cease. I stayed in the moema area to show a new SP visitor around town and it was not worth it in his own words. I'm a heavy sleeper but still it did bug me when I just wanted to read my essential reading materials such as The Complete Calvin and Hobbes (paperback) and Pale Fire by Vladimir Nabokov.
There is no ideal location to stay at. You will be far from either the boates or the clinicas or something else. There is no "right spot" to stay at. I stayed in moema for the first 10 days then went to the Grand Hyatt in brooklin area. I think a good compromise is Brooklin novo. It's only 10 min ride away to the clinicas and 30 mins from bomboa, scandallo and casarao more or less. It's also a decent area which you have to remember is important because some girls will flat out refuse to come over if you're in a bad neighborhood like Repblica. They'll tell you to come to them or get a love motel and you don't want that if you can help it.Forgive me Father for I have sinned. And I know that, if given the chance, I will do so again. Now, airport noise can indeed be an issue in Moema. However, I know it's still possible to headquarter there while mitigating against the noise. The first time I went to Sampa, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Ibirapuera Privilege (do not recommend). That was a bad choice for me for a number of reasons, including that overhead airplane noise could get quite loud. But on subsequent trips, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square (recommend) and it was totally fine with no airplane noise issues whatsoever (I do sleep heavy). Don't know why the difference, but must have something to do with the flight pattern. Some here have recommended the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema, and that one would indeed be quite convenient, but I've stayed away from it because you can look up and literally see the planes overhead. But bottom line I don't agree that staying in Moema isn't smart. Not only is it very convenient for hitting the clinicas but also for restaurants, bank ATMs, grocery stores, and shopping. I was even able to find a good barbershop. And a big plus for it is that it's safe too! I've been out walking around Moema at all times of day and night no problems and never felt any threats once. I think it's a matter of finding the right spot. The Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square works for me.
The first time I went to Sampa, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Ibirapuera Privilege (do not recommend). That was a bad choice for me for a number of reasons, including that overhead airplane noise could get quite loud. But on subsequent trips, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square (recommend) and it was totally fine with no airplane noise issues whatsoever (I do sleep heavy). Don't know why the difference, but must have something to do with the flight pattern. Some here have recommended the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema, and that one would indeed be quite convenient, but I've stayed away from it because you can look up and literally see the planes overhead. But bottom line I don't agree that staying in Moema isn't smart. Not only is it very convenient for hitting the clinicas but also for restaurants, bank ATMs, grocery stores, and shopping. I was even able to find a good barbershop. And a big plus for it is that it's safe too! I've been out walking around Moema at all times of day and night no problems and never felt any threats once. I think it's a matter of finding the right spot. The Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square works for me.What you're suggesting is on the other side of the airplane noise area I uploaded with this response. Brooklin novo is just on the other side. Also safe and the airbnbs (if that's you're method, reader) are amazing! 24 HR pool, gym, sauna, bicycle to use and laundry. The one thing I do find annoying is how long a hotel takes to clean your clothes and how much it charges tho to be fair I know it's a bunch of logistics. After the 2nd girl over I like to wash the sheets and towels. For brooklin you would want to get an uber to hit the clinicas unless you don't mind starting at enjoy clinica and crossing the little highway to abobbora and the rest. I like brooklin novo as the airbnbs are much nicer and you get a nice view of the city with a balcony usually. The area also has nice cheap lunch spots that are great. i'm also a big fan of mirrors and there are a ton of airbnbs in brooklin novo area with a huge mirror in front of the bed or on the side for the closet. it's like a mini love motel room. that's something i do consider a must for me personally. the grand hyatt had some mirrors in the bathroom but i couldn't move them to the bed. so my only gripes with hotels but that's really a personal problem.
So dear reader it depends if you want a hotel go with the cane's advice as he has good info and intel or if you are better suited for airbnbs brooklin novo has a great amount that can't be beat.
Bang Koker
04-09-23, 03:39
Couple days ago I had very unpleasant meeting with a clubmodel * called Bia Castro. After about 40 minutes of our meeting she told me we have 20 minutes to go, however about 5 minutes later she started telling me to go away, being more and more angry each minute when I couldn't come for second time. I wanted to tell her in my broken Portuguese that if she shuts her mouth and continue doing her job I'll handle that situation, but I couldn't fully articulate that due to lack of language skills. So I got up and then she started shouting even more, scaring her little dog and started to push me over and pull. Not a smart move given that I'm a 100-kilogram man in his late 20's with martial arts training background. Anyway I don't use force on women so she was lucky. When I tried to go into shower she pushed me into the cabin all furious and then started to hit me with the cabin's glass door. Fair enough, I'll just wash my hands and gtfo then. But she didn't even let me wash my hands. Later there was also some force involved after I dressed up which probably damaged my t-shirt a little but nothing visible I think. And she tried to teach me something about respect LOL. Anyway out of the meeting I got got 2 x massages, 2 x BBBJs, a cowgirl, a reverse cowgirl, on the side, from behind and a story to tell so the 500 bozos weren't completely wasted.
I think I'll try scandallo for the first time soon, is it still 300 for entrance if I enter before 19 (and what about the minimum spend)? Is there any dress code? Should I decline any girl that comes to me and instead look for these I like and approach them? What might be the best day to go there?
Couple days ago I had very unpleasant meeting with a clubmodel * called Bia Castro. After about 40 minutes of our meeting she told me we have 20 minutes to go, however about 5 minutes later she started telling me to go away, being more and more angry each minute when I couldn't come for second time. I wanted to tell her in my broken Portuguese that if she shuts her mouth and continue doing her job I'll handle that situation, but I couldn't fully articulate that due to lack of language skills. So I got up and then she started shouting even more, scaring her little dog and started to push me over and pull. Not a smart move given that I'm a 100-kilogram man in his late 20's with martial arts training background. Anyway I don't use force on women so she was lucky. When I tried to go into shower she pushed me into the cabin all furious and then started to hit me with the cabin's glass door. Fair enough, I'll just wash my hands and gtfo then. But she didn't even let me wash my hands. Later there was also some force involved after I dressed up which probably damaged my t-shirt a little but nothing visible I think. And she tried to teach me something about respect LOL. Anyway out of the meeting I got got 2 x massages, 2 x BBBJs, a cowgirl, a reverse cowgirl, on the side, from behind and a story to tell so the 500 bozos weren't completely wasted.
I think I'll try scandallo for the first time soon, is it still 300 for entrance if I enter before 19 (and what about the minimum spend)? Is there any dress code? Should I decline any girl that comes to me and instead look for these I like and approach them? What might be the best day to go there?Have you left out something Bang Koker? I mean you already had 40 minutes of banging. What tripped her off?
Forgive me Father for I have sinned. And I know that, if given the chance, I will do so again. Now, airport noise can indeed be an issue in Moema. However, I know it's still possible to headquarter there while mitigating against the noise. The first time I went to Sampa, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Ibirapuera Privilege (do not recommend). That was a bad choice for me for a number of reasons, including that overhead airplane noise could get quite loud. But on subsequent trips, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square (recommend) and it was totally fine with no airplane noise issues whatsoever (I do sleep heavy). Don't know why the difference, but must have something to do with the flight pattern. Some here have recommended the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema, and that one would indeed be quite convenient, but I've stayed away from it because you can look up and literally see the planes overhead. But bottom line I don't agree that staying in Moema isn't smart. Not only is it very convenient for hitting the clinicas but also for restaurants, bank ATMs, grocery stores, and shopping. I was even able to find a good barbershop. And a big plus for it is that it's safe too! I've been out walking around Moema at all times of day and night no problems and never felt any threats once. I think it's a matter of finding the right spot. The Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square works for me.I've stayed at the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema twice and had no problems, I think the windows are sound proofed.
Bang Koker
04-09-23, 16:51
Have you left out something Bang Koker? I mean you already had 40 minutes of banging. What tripped her off?The only thing I left out was that before the meeting I had to reschedule it by 30 minutes as I started ordering an uber a bit too late to get there on time. But when I confirmed I'm on my way she told me that's all good (and it's South America where nobody is ever on time). She didn't mention we'll have a shorter meeting bc of that. I arrived just after 18:30, at 19:11 she confirmed that we have 20 minutes left and about 5 minutes later she started the shitshow (I think I also got a little bit softer at that time but it wasn't really bad).
Steve 9696
04-09-23, 19:12
I've stayed at the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema twice and had no problems, I think the windows are sound proofed.+1. Stayed there and loved it. Perfect quiet. No issues at all and right in the heart of Clinica country and easy drive to Casarao or Scandallo. Even easier to Bomboa. High recommend.
Hopefully this will be helpful to someone.
When booking a hotel or airbnb always book for 2 people or more in the case of Bearsi, s nice bigger room. It may be a bit more but beneficial to book one day at a time in a new hotel. That way if it is not what you wanted you are not committed to stay there the whole time.
The clinicas are wonderful places to meet and sample nice girls for a lot less cost than the boates. Sometimes I will get a half hour session with no plan to pop. It is funny some times to see how the girl reacts. They can be quite confused as to why you are not finishing. I just smile and tell them it is ok not to worry. I always ask if they would like to share phone numbers and have a few long term relationships with girls I met that way. The third one of these this trip is coming to stay with me tonight.
Maybe others have more better looks or more game than me but I have been unsuccessful with meeting someone on the street. I still try and will start a conversation whenever I can. Since I am trying to learn Portuguese I find about half time a girl will be interested to try talking with me.
Having rambled on long enough, I appreciate all who helped me down this Sao Paulo journey and hope to help others.
The clinicas are wonderful places to meet and sample nice girls for a lot less cost than the boates. Sometimes I will get a half hour session with no plan to pop. It is funny some times to see how the girl reacts. They can be quite confused as to why you are not finishing. I just smile and tell them it is ok not to worry. I always ask if they would like to share phone numbers and have a few long term relationships with girls I met that way. The third one of these this trip is coming to stay with me tonight.
Maybe others have more better looks or more game than me but I have been unsuccessful with meeting someone on the street. I still try and will start a conversation whenever I can. Since I am trying to learn Portuguese I find about half time a girl will be interested to try talking with me.
Having rambled on long enough, I appreciate all who helped me down this Sao Paulo journey and hope to help others.The boates idea is a good suggestion. I contemplated doing that very thing since I like to be edged for a prolonged period of time with one big finish.
Meeting women outside of a dating app hasn't happened for me yet, but I plan to put more effort next time I visit since I will have learned a little more Portuguese instead of going directly to a translation app. Can't wait to visit next month again!
The only thing ....Do you use condom? My guess based on the info from your post is that you probably pounded her too hard without realizing it.
I don't go to Scandallo on Monday or Saturday. I talked to girls when they approach me but I don't touch them at all if I am not interested.
I think the airport limits traffic during the overnight hours. I don't remember planes overflying the neighborhood after midnight and before 6 am That doesn't really help guys who are out at boates all night and want to rest for a few hours. The clinica life (and the office hours life) lines up well with the flight schedule. Sometimes it's fun to pop just as a jumbo jet takes off over the clinica. LOL!
Forgive me Father for I have sinned. And I know that, if given the chance, I will do so again. Now, airport noise can indeed be an issue in Moema. However, I know it's still possible to headquarter there while mitigating against the noise. The first time I went to Sampa, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Ibirapuera Privilege (do not recommend). That was a bad choice for me for a number of reasons, including that overhead airplane noise could get quite loud. But on subsequent trips, I stayed at the Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square (recommend) and it was totally fine with no airplane noise issues whatsoever (I do sleep heavy). Don't know why the difference, but must have something to do with the flight pattern. Some here have recommended the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema, and that one would indeed be quite convenient, but I've stayed away from it because you can look up and literally see the planes overhead. But bottom line I don't agree that staying in Moema isn't smart. Not only is it very convenient for hitting the clinicas but also for restaurants, bank ATMs, grocery stores, and shopping. I was even able to find a good barbershop. And a big plus for it is that it's safe too! I've been out walking around Moema at all times of day and night no problems and never felt any threats once. I think it's a matter of finding the right spot. The Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square works for me.
You are spot in 'how you carry and present yourself". As long as you respect and treat them well and present yourself well including wearing nice, not necessarily fancy, clothes.American of Indian descent. Stayed in Moema last time and visited Prime, Scandallo, Casarao. Even walked the streets Av Iberipura at 2 am looking for a late night snack and another time walking over to the gas station for water / drinks. Also went to a carnival rehearsal with friends. Never felt unsafe, weird or discriminated. I agree with how you carry and present yourself. Not being weird or crazy. Given you are from the States, just be yourself and take in all that this amazing city has to offer.
There are several advice on cards that don't charge international fees. I would add the Wise Card from Transferwise to that list and if you are from Europe the N26 Metal card. Wise takes about a week to 10 days to ship the card to you. You can load / unload money fast and best conversion rates anywhere in the world. Always go to an ATM upon arrival and withdraw cash (only gas station ATMs are 24 h, others close).
I would normally ask this via PM, but your mailbox is full!
I know you said you won't tell, but was it Liberal Club?If she is slightly dusky (not dark), very tall (5'11 perhaps 6), Japanese looking, then I have spotted her at Scandallo. In fact, she was the top pick for me that night. But, unfortunately, I had committed to someone else by then. Will report back with number if I find her at Scandallo next week.
Just noticed two fraudulent charges on my credit card today and I've only used it in Brazil. Pretty much only used that card for contact less payments but not sure where they got my details.This is troubling to read, especially if you say you only used the card for contactless payments. Any more details to share at this time?
Gigi Buffon
04-11-23, 04:33
Just noticed two fraudulent charges on my credit card today and I've only used it in Brazil. Pretty much only used that card for contact less payments but not sure where they got my details.You might want to consider getting an RFID wallet that protect people from scanning the details of your card, if you do not own one already. In crowded spaces people within the right device can get those details without you noticing. In addition, there are sleeves that you can buy and you can place in your wallet and then put the credit card inside. These sleeve block access to this information as well and they fit inside the sleeves that most wallet have to place credit card and other sensitive personal documents.
UniversalX
04-11-23, 05:07
I used Airbnb and my host had it written down that I had to check in every guest that I had coming in. Just for the shits and giggles, I wonder if everyone wrote to the CEO of Airbnb or email complaint to Customer Service regarding the Host rules prohibiting you having a visitor (s) in your Airbnb what would they say?? I'm sure they may back the Host rules but just wondering. Especially for solo travelers I tend to think its unrealistic that a Guest can't have a visitor (friend / colleague) It's unrealistic that solo traveler will meet someone or an acquaintance and would like to have them come over. It sort of defies the human relationship dynamic.
I recommend getting a charles schwab debit card so you don't have to pay any ATM fees. IF you transfer funds to your Charles Schwab Debit Card how many days is it available for withdrawal?? Some cards take Two or more Days to "settle" before funds are available for withdrawal.
I know some guys like to make out with their girls hardcore but make sure to wash that mouth right away because some girls aren't as hygienic as others. They will clean their pussy and ass but only a few times I've seen a girl brush her teeth or get mouthwash. I see a lot of guys talking about DFK and making out in most cases the girl just finished BBBJ that guys love so much, (with a guy before them known and unknown) and they probably didn't brush teeth or use mouthwash. Yuck, Icky, Gag, you get to taste the He Who Came Before You! That's disconcerting. Good advice IS for you to get some strong mouthwash for yourself and don't leave home without it (shit you may also want to carry a toothbrush for yourself when mongering away from your hotel room/lodging LOL!) Also, some sore throat lozenges just in case.
I'm a tmobile customer and tmobile gives its MAX Magenta user 5 gb free international data so as soon as I landed I was up and running. Given "reasonable" usage how long would 5 GB of data last?? I'm considering getting TMobile for my Monger Bat Phone! (If the data part can last a while).
The Mercure Sao Paulo Moema Times Square works for me.
Since you are the paying Guest, What is the hotel Visitor Policy is it a GF Hotel? Do they charge or have other restrictions?
I've stayed at the Bourbon Convention Hotel in Moema twice and had no problems, I think the windows are sound proofed.
+1. Stayed there and loved it. Perfect quiet. No issues at all and right in the heart of Clinica country and easy drive to Casarao or Scandallo. Even easier to Bomboa. High recommend.
Since you are the paying Guest, What is the hotel Visitor Policy is it a GF Hotel? Do they charge or have other restrictions?
Bang Koker
04-11-23, 05:41
Do you use condom? My guess based on the info from your post is that you probably pounded her too hard without realizing it.
I don't go to Scandallo on Monday or Saturday. I talked to girls when they approach me but I don't touch them at all if I am not interested.Yes ofc, never had a bareback vaginal and there's a decent chance I'll never decide to try it in my lifetime. I think I pounded her hard for a moment in a reverse cowgirl but we also did 2 more positions in a more calm manner before she snapped.
Thanks for scandallo tips, do I get to spend any portion of the entry fee on the food and drinks?
I see a lot of guys talking about DFK and making out in most cases the girl just finished BBBJ that guys love so much, (with a guy before them known and unknown) and they probably didn't brush teeth or use mouthwash. Yuck, Icky, Gag, you get to taste the He Who Came Before You! That's disconcerting. Good advice IS for you to get some strong mouthwash for yourself and don't leave home without it (shit you may also want to carry a toothbrush for yourself when mongering away from your hotel room/lodging LOL!) Also, some sore throat lozenges just in case.
Since you are the paying Guest, What is the hotel Visitor Policy is it a GF Hotel? Do they charge or have other restrictions?That's why it was nice to go with "Sher" at Quatro por Quatro in Rio. You see you knew she brushed after a guy "nutted" all over her teeth and gums hahaha! Puta Playa posted the proof LOL! And I can assure you that Giovanna at Termas 65 at least used Listerine and gargled between sessions. I knew that was a good thing when, after we finished a session, I saw her DFKing with a guy after she'd had my nuts in her mouth LOL! And as far as the Mercure Sao Paolo Moema Time Square goes? There were no "garota fees" or restrictions. I booked for two, and any time I brought a girl back we just walked straight for the elevators no questions asked.
Hi everyone. Need your suggestion / advise on below.
I intend to travel Sao paulo in few weeks for holidays of 11 days. Last I visited Sao paulo was before covid in year 2019. I plan to stay in Mercure moema times square. I beleive this is girl friendly Hotel. Please advise me. Mainly I intend to visit clinicas and boates like Scandallo, casarao, bamboa as discussed in forum. I have gone through last 100 pages of this forum and was quite beneficial. I know very basic Portuguese and cannot speak Portuguese. Last time I visited, I hanged out with ABG (Alto bom gosto), So did not face any language issue. IS it safe to monger alone with very little or no command in Portuguese language? Also, Should I include Rio de Janerio on my mongering plan as I have never visited there. Any suggestion will be most welcome.
One thing I have been reading in news that now a days there is campaign going on in Brazil against sexual harrasment of women. Any information on if it has harmed mongering scenes in Brazil. Following is the link:
https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/en/geral/noticia/2023-03/ministry-tourism-launches-campaign-against-sexual-harassment-women
Yes ofc, never had a bareback vaginal and there's a decent chance I'll never decide to try it in my lifetime. I think I pounded her hard for a moment in a reverse cowgirl but we also did 2 more positions in a more calm manner before she snapped.
Thanks for scandallo tips, do I get to spend any portion of the entry fee on the food and drinks?You can spend all 300 on food and drinks.
I see a lot of guys talking about DFK and making out in most cases the girl just finished BBBJ that guys love so much, (with a guy before them known and unknown) and they probably didn't brush teeth or use mouthwash. Yuck, Icky, Gag, you get to taste the He Who Came Before You! That's disconcerting. Good advice IS for you to get some strong mouthwash for yourself and don't leave home without it (shit you may also want to carry a toothbrush for yourself when mongering away from your hotel room/lodging LOL!) Also, some sore throat lozenges just in case.
Yeah I don't see the appeal in DFK either. I’m not there to make love, I’m there to have my fun.
Second side note. Hopefully won't start an unitended race debate, but overheard conversation by girls when a couoke of well dressed black gentleman walked in. They both said they won't go with negroe. Not sure how the black gentleman from Europe / USA are being treated in the clubs. Clinicas girls have no choice. But maybe being shunned in the clubs?I'm an African American. I've mongered in Dubai, Bahrain, Thailand, South Korea, Japan, Spain, Germany, Amsterdam, Czech Republic, Dominican Republic, USA, etc.
I have never been shunned from any brothel or club. 99.9% of WGs I've approached say yes. The 0. 01% who declined were not the hottest in the brothel so it didn't matter (they will claim black penis is too big). I've also had porn stars which trumps any WGs I've ever had.
I'm planning a trip to Sao Paulo in June, but I'm here to tell you that as a black American monger I have had no problems finding and having the women I want.
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Hi everyone. Need your suggestion / advise on below.
I intend to travel Sao paulo in few weeks for holidays of 11 days. Last I visited Sao paulo was before covid in year 2019. I plan to stay in Mercure moema times square. I beleive this is girl friendly Hotel. Please advise me. Mainly I intend to visit clinicas and boates like Scandallo, casarao, bamboa as discussed in forum. I have gone through last 100 pages of this forum and was quite beneficial. I know very basic Portuguese and cannot speak Portuguese. Last time I visited, I hanged out with ABG (Alto bom gosto), So did not face any language issue. IS it safe to monger alone with very little or no command in Portuguese language? Also, Should I include Rio de Janerio on my mongering plan as I have never visited there. Any suggestion will be most welcome.
One thing I have been reading in news that now a days there is campaign going on in Brazil against sexual harrasment of women. Any information on if it has harmed mongering scenes in Brazil. Following is the link:
https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/en/geral/noticia/2023-03/ministry-tourism-launches-campaign-against-sexual-harassment-womenI think this campaign may be true since I heard recently of a foreign seaman in one of the ships visiting Brazil has been in prison already for 10 days for harassment, touching a security woman's butt at the dock and flirting with her.
The thing goes like this.
You are an adult traveler and you have made a reservation for two pax in one double room. They can't ban her.
If you bring a second guest during the same day / night, that's another story, hotel has the right to charge extra or make a new reservation.
If your reservation is a single room for one person, then you made a bad choice.
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I remember a hotel in Chile suggested that I could not "enter the hotel with a pro*t*ute" and I got mad and said "are you telling my girlfriend is a pr*ti**te?
When the girl left the hotel one hour later, I got a phonecall from the reception "Hey sir, your girlfriend just left the hotel" and I replied "oh yeah, we have argued" LOL.
ABG was a great guy, a legend. I ahd some good times with him at the old Vani's Way back around 2010.
Hi everyone. Need your suggestion / advise on below.
I intend to travel Sao paulo in few weeks for holidays of 11 days. Last I visited Sao paulo was before covid in year 2019. I plan to stay in Mercure moema times square. I beleive this is girl friendly Hotel. Please advise me. Mainly I intend to visit clinicas and boates like Scandallo, casarao, bamboa as discussed in forum. I have gone through last 100 pages of this forum and was quite beneficial. I know very basic Portuguese and cannot speak Portuguese. Last time I visited, I hanged out with ABG (Alto bom gosto), So did not face any language issue. IS it safe to monger alone with very little or no command in Portuguese language? Also, Should I include Rio de Janerio on my mongering plan as I have never visited there. Any suggestion will be most welcome.
One thing I have been reading in news that now a days there is campaign going on in Brazil against sexual harrasment of women. Any information on if it has harmed mongering scenes in Brazil. Following is the link:
https://agenciabrasil.ebc.com.br/en/geral/noticia/2023-03/ministry-tourism-launches-campaign-against-sexual-harassment-women
Yeah I don't see the appeal in DFK either. Im not there to make love, Im there to have my fun.My guess is all men are different. DFK gets me harder faster than anything else including BBBJ.
... any time I brought a girl back we just walked straight for the elevators no questions asked.And working girls are working out from it too.
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Given "reasonable" usage how long would 5 GB of data last?? ....
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It goes down to slower speed after 5GB. I use it more like a spare and I prefer to get local SIM even though I have two numbers with me. Local SIM has much faster speed.
I think this campaign may be true since I heard recently of a foreign seaman in one of the ships visiting Brazil has been in prison already for 10 days for harassment, touching a security woman's butt at the dock and flirting with her.Thanks for the reply. This is little bad news of this campaign. Normally if someone is mongering with freelancer or hanging out with girl outside club / clinicas, there can be some disagreement / argument and lady can take advantage of such laws / campaign. Normally I like to bring girls to my Hotel room or Motel. Please suggest if this campaign has distributed any mongering scenes in Sao Paulo or Sao Paulo is still rocking.
Also, in my past trips I was hanging out with ABG as I know very basic Portuguese. Any one in the forum who can guide me like wingman ABG. He was legend and very good person and I had very good time with him in Sao Paulo.
LatamHunter
04-13-23, 04:21
My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.
I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.
The main thing that I noticed is that in São Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.
I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.
I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".
I said yeah if not I'm out.
I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.
Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like.
Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.
But even then after sampling like out here I am not too impressed.
For the price of comming out here and the inflated prices these girls are charging I would go elsewhere.
LatamHunter
04-13-23, 04:22
My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.
I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.
The main thing that I noticed is that in São Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.
I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.
I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".
I said yeah if not I'm out.
I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.
Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like.
Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.
But even then after sampling like out here I am not too impressed.
For the price of comming out here and the inflated prices these girls are charging I would go elsewhere.
Above Average
04-13-23, 04:50
So I just finished booking my flight from Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro and it was probably the most frustrating flight booking experience of my life. I'm kicking myself for not booking the flight earlier because the shorter term flight prices are completely out of control. The flight I booked was for April 22nd, but I wanted to fly on April 20th.
It usually costs under $50 USD to fly from SP to RJ but everything for the next 8 days has skyrocketed to the $400 dollar range. Even if the booking company says they have some flights available for $100, I will fill out all the info and then it will tell me that the price is now $700.
The LATAM website is also another entity that can go fuck itself. The price changes dramatically if you are using the Brazilian website, or the international version (about 4 x more expensive). As a foreigner trying to book a flight on the Brazil website, it only tells me that the selected flight is now full.
Is this typical behaviour for Brazilian airlines? Is there any point in waiting to see if the prices go down at all, or do they pretty much only go up?
My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.
I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.
The main thing that I noticed is that in So Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.
I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.
I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".
I said yeah if not I'm out.
I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.
Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like..Sorry this happened to you. I thought my trip was going to go the same as yours after selecting a girl in Scandallo who had a great body but was not worth it, and I was afraid it would represent my trip. While I was disappointed with her performance, I decided to go through this site again, and check out reviews of girls on review sites (which is what I would do if I was in the USA Before seeing a girl). Taking that extra time to research did help and each girl I booked moving forward was progressively better than the next. I know this won't do much to solve your current frustrations, but there are some good and great options in SP.
RudyMuller888
04-13-23, 15:27
ABG was a great guy, a legend. I ahd some good times with him at the old Vani's Way back around 2010.I keep seeing the acronym and I cannot for the life of me figure it out! Thanks!
I keep seeing the acronym and I cannot for the life of me figure it out! Thanks!It's for the username Alto Bom Gusto.
He led many forum users to good times and good girls.
Seems he's dead.
RudyMuller888
04-13-23, 19:33
Currently my plan is to arrive early on Sunday the 23rd. Staying in the Hilton Morumbi (I know this is sub optimal location but it's one of the few hotels approved by my company). My hope is to hit a clinicas around mid morning. Is that even possible on a Sunday's? I have narrowed it down to palms, pro, lotus, and Prime. That evening I'the like to go to casarao because it's open Sunday. Will it be dead on Sunday? The rest of the week I hope to pull in an escort from a site for overnight and try scandello. Please let me know if I am missing anything!
This site has been incredibly helpful!
Jimmy Boy 99
04-13-23, 19:34
So I just finished booking my flight from Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro and it was probably the most frustrating flight booking experience of my life. I'm kicking myself for not booking the flight earlier because the shorter term flight prices are completely out of control. The flight I booked was for April 22nd, but I wanted to fly on April 20th.
It usually costs under $50 USD to fly from SP to RJ but everything for the next 8 days has skyrocketed to the $400 dollar range. Even if the booking company says they have some flights available for $100, I will fill out all the info and then it will tell me that the price is now $700.
The LATAM website is also another entity that can go fuck itself. The price changes dramatically if you are using the Brazilian website, or the international version (about 4 x more expensive). As a foreigner trying to book a flight on the Brazil website, it only tells me that the selected flight is now full.
Is this typical behaviour for Brazilian airlines? Is there any point in waiting to see if the prices go down at all, or do they pretty much only go up?Just take the bus for $20-$25 and 6 hours travel.
I am sorry you had an underwhelming experience. I don't think there is any place in this world where you can be guaranteed "X". Also, particularly so because that definition of X is very different from person to person. This hobby is such. Very subjective. And, to make things even more complex, we, the hobbyists, change our preferences / kinks as we age.
Please don't conclude so quickly on BR. Do speak to few members, research a bit more and allow yourself to learn from your own failures and adventures. I am sure, you will fall in love with the beautiful country and it's people.
Finally, personally for me, the fact that this hobby involves unexpected and unpredictable outcomes each time makes me interested to pursue this. If it were exactly 10/10 (whatever that means) each time, I will probably get bored and give up.
My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.
I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.
The main thing that I noticed is that in So Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.
I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.
I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".
I said yeah if not I'm out.
I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.
Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like.
Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.
But even then after sampling like out here I am not too impressed.
For the price of comming out here and the inflated prices these girls are charging I would go elsewhere.
I don't see why the campaign would be bad news unless you start playing grab ass with random people.
Thanks for the reply. This is little bad news of this campaign. Normally if someone is mongering with freelancer or hanging out with girl outside club / clinicas, there can be some disagreement / argument and lady can take advantage of such laws / campaign. Normally I like to bring girls to my Hotel room or Motel. Please suggest if this campaign has distributed any mongering scenes in Sao Paulo or Sao Paulo is still rocking.
Also, in my past trips I was hanging out with ABG as I know very basic Portuguese. Any one in the forum who can guide me like wingman ABG. He was legend and very good person and I had very good time with him in Sao Paulo.
So I just finished booking my flight from Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro and it was probably the most frustrating flight booking experience of my life. I'm kicking myself for not booking the flight earlier because the shorter term flight prices are completely out of control. The flight I booked was for April 22nd, but I wanted to fly on April 20th.
It usually costs under $50 USD to fly from SP to RJ but everything for the next 8 days has skyrocketed to the $400 dollar range. Even if the booking company says they have some flights available for $100, I will fill out all the info and then it will tell me that the price is now $700.
The LATAM website is also another entity that can go fuck itself. The price changes dramatically if you are using the Brazilian website, or the international version (about 4 x more expensive). As a foreigner trying to book a flight on the Brazil website, it only tells me that the selected flight is now full.
Is this typical behaviour for Brazilian airlines? Is there any point in waiting to see if the prices go down at all, or do they pretty much only go up?Yes, they charge much higher prices to foreigners. If you try to book on the Brazilian website, you'll get stuck when they require you to enter your CPF (Brasilian taxpayer's number). Only way is to go to the airline office yourself when you are in Brasil. Oddly enough, at the airline office they have only one price, at least they did when I booked a ticket to Navegantes at GOL in Sao Paulo. You may need to arm yourself with patience if there is a queue.
The LATAM website is horrible. I was once stuck in Lima wanting to reschedule my flight back to Brasil. No way. The ticket was rescheduleable I knew, but the website wouldn't let me. Luckily my Peruvian friend knew someone at a travel agency who could at least rebook my flight for a fee.
Since it is so quiet here. I will add some comments.
It depends. Medellin has much larger daytime scene. The main difference to me and why SP is far superior is the service level and cleanness of the rooms when we are comparing places similar to clinicas. In most places in Medellin, you won't get DFK or kissing, BBBJ at all without an upcharge. DFK or kissing is difficult to get or not very good. The rooms are often nasty by clinica standard. I think not changing sheets between session is normal. You may not have hot water. Some higher price ones may change sheet but I could never tell. There is only one that I have been to that I saw the girl change sheet like the clinica and I have been to many but this one has a shared bathroom so still not perfect. More money may not buy you more service without upcharge. The one that charge more than clinica has the most limited service but they do have best looking girls on average. There are exceptions to the generalization of service above but the rooms are usually bad that some mongers simply won't enjoy that environment.
If you like Rio Centro, then Medellin will be paradise to you if you have enough time. The key is you need time to gain experience to get what you want while everything in Brazil is somewhat automatic.
Based on the above, I would say for short stay Brazil is better because it's far less effort for newbies. But other experienced members that I also respect have said if differently. One has to decide what is more important and I hope this will help you make an informed decision.My 2 cents, from what I've read about Colombia, it seems comparisons between Brazil and Colombia overlook two major downsides of Colombia:
1) Hotels in Colombia are by default NOT girl-friendly.
2) Accessing your cash in Colombia is difficult. ATMs in Colombia give out only small amounts and sometimes steal your money (in Brazil you get 2500 Real free of charge at Bradesco). I'm not even talking about living in Colombia and banking there, apparently Colombian banks are among the most rapacious in South America, collecting fees even for withdrawing money with a local card from your own Colombian bank account!
The Critic
04-14-23, 04:22
So I just finished booking my flight from Sao Paulo to Rio De Janeiro and it was probably the most frustrating flight booking experience of my life. I'm kicking myself for not booking the flight earlier because the shorter term flight prices are completely out of control. The flight I booked was for April 22nd, but I wanted to fly on April 20th.
It usually costs under $50 USD to fly from SP to RJ but everything for the next 8 days has skyrocketed to the $400 dollar range. Even if the booking company says they have some flights available for $100, I will fill out all the info and then it will tell me that the price is now $700.
The LATAM website is also another entity that can go fuck itself. The price changes dramatically if you are using the Brazilian website, or the international version (about 4 x more expensive). As a foreigner trying to book a flight on the Brazil website, it only tells me that the selected flight is now full.
Is this typical behaviour for Brazilian airlines? Is there any point in waiting to see if the prices go down at all, or do they pretty much only go up?https://www.bacctravel.com/
https://www.brol.com/
Try calling these or any other dedicated Brazilian travel agency to at least see if they can provide you with cheaper tickets or at least direct you to where you can obtain cheaper tickets. If not, deal with online purchase if it's critical that you make advance purchase of tickets.
I have always found it better to purchase "inter-country" travel while still in airport, purchase at the Airline desk prior to catching my transportation to hotel. Or during my stay just going to the local airline office if it's close or any travel agency that is close to where I'm staying, usually able to obtain cheaper tickets.
My 2 cents, from what I've read about Colombia, it seems comparisons between Brazil and Colombia overlook two major downsides of Colombia:
1) Hotels in Colombia are by default NOT girl-friendly.
2) Accessing your cash in Colombia is difficult. ATMs in Colombia give out only small amounts and sometimes steal your money (in Brazil you get 2500 Real free of charge at Bradesco). I'm not even talking about living in Colombia and banking there, apparently Colombian banks are among the most rapacious in South America, collecting fees even for withdrawing money with a local card from your own Colombian bank account!However, the hotel issue in Colombia can easily be avoided. For example, one can rent an airbnb and this issue is no longer there.
Regarding item 2 above, I really don't see why it is so difficult to access your cash in Colombia. I have been doing it for 10 years and never had an issue.
BigButtDetecto
04-14-23, 19:43
Anybody know is there is such a thing as "privados" or VIP rooms or booths where you can "test" the girl for 10 minutes before taking them to a room? I love theses booths in Hong Kong, Tijuana.
I keep seeing the acronym and I cannot for the life of me figure it out! Thanks!ABG is a milestone in this forum. After he died the São Paulo forum went dead.
ABG is a milestone in this forum. After he died the So Paulo forum went dead.My visits to Brazil used to always be to Rio and on occasion I was in transit in SP to Rio. ABG's posts were in fact responsible for me visiting Sao Paulo and there has been no looking back.
My visits to Brazil used to always be to Rio and on occasion I was in transit in SP to Rio. ABG's posts were in fact responsible for me visiting Sao Paulo and there has been no looking back.Lots of guys are going to Sao Paulo now and I think this thread is 1,000 times better than it used to be because, not only is it far more active, but we now have a much broader spectrum of experiences and opinions about where to go and what to do in Sampa. Yes there are the clinicas, but there's so, so much more than that people have discovered and enjoyed and shared intel with everybody here. And now for me, just like you, Sao Paulo is an essential part of any trip to Brazil.
Lots of guys are going to Sao Paulo now and I think this thread is 1,000 times better than it used to be because, not only is it far more active, but we now have a much broader spectrum of experiences and opinions about where to go and what to do in Sampa. Yes there are the clinicas, but there's so, so much more than that people have discovered and enjoyed and shared intel with everybody here. And now for me, just like you, Sao Paulo is an essential part of any trip to Brazil.ABG's experiences and assistance were of great value. However, clinica discussions dominated the SP thread during the height of ABG's tour guide business.
So I agree. I think the SP forum has flourished with broader experiences. There's still plenty of posts on the clinicas. I'm surprised no local has picked up where ABG left off.
GeneveCalling1
04-15-23, 18:24
Mate, sorry for your experience but SP I would say is not the place to be calling websites or agents or any of the sort. You go to the boates you speak with the women you like, you see if theres a feeling and you take them there or you take them to hotel / flat. Thats the best experience ever, and for that SP is unparalleled. I haven't been to Colombia yet, but been all over US, Europe, Asia and don't think there's a better city / ease of being a punter than SP. With soooo many different types of women, because that's the thing about Brazil and SP. You want skinny? They have? Blonde? Yes sir! Big? There's also that, all types of working professional women exist in that city. That I'm completely sure no other city on earth has.
My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.
I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.
The main thing that I noticed is that in So Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.
I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.
I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".
I said yeah if not I'm out.
I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.
Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like.
Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.
But even then after sampling like out here I am not too impressed.
For the price of comming out here and the inflated prices these girls are charging I would go elsewhere.
GeneveCalling1
04-15-23, 18:27
Casarão Sunday is a good bet, probably not the whole place will be open but it will have women and less men so good for you. Bahamas is the "only" boate open Sundays, I don't recommend.
I'm not a fan of website girls in SP, its expensive for the time you get and they tend to behave more like entitled princess. My feeling.
Try Scandallo, Cafe Photo and Bomboa for Boates.
Currently my plan is to arrive early on Sunday the 23rd. Staying in the Hilton Morumbi (I know this is sub optimal location but it's one of the few hotels approved by my company). My hope is to hit a clinicas around mid morning. Is that even possible on a Sunday's? I have narrowed it down to palms, pro, lotus, and Prime. That evening I'the like to go to casarao because it's open Sunday. Will it be dead on Sunday? The rest of the week I hope to pull in an escort from a site for overnight and try scandello. Please let me know if I am missing anything!
This site has been incredibly helpful!
For those who have visited multiple times or spend months / weeks during their stay, is there a slower time of year when there isn't as much action? I can imagine that the holidays are a little slower because of people wanting to spend time and money with family.
The Critic
04-16-23, 00:33
Lots of guys are going to Sao Paulo now and I think this thread is 1,000 times better than it used to be because, not only is it far more active, but we now have a much broader spectrum of experiences and opinions about where to go and what to do in Sampa. Yes there are the clinicas, but there's so, so much more than that people have discovered and enjoyed and shared intel with everybody here. And now for me, just like you, Sao Paulo is an essential part of any trip to Brazil.I agree, especially the quality, depth, and detail of posts have significantly improved. There have even been a number of reports on new venues or seldom mentioned venues which means monger are venturing out and exploring a little more out of their comfort zone.
I also hope that reports start to come in on other areas of Brazil as well.
Wayne Roberts
04-16-23, 07:48
Quick question, how quiet is SP between roughly the 27th and 2nd of Jan? I am assuming slim pickings with a lot of people headed home or away on holiday? Would love to be wrong about that as its convenient timing for me.
Been to Rio three times for New Years now, not in the mood for that craziness. Any other decent destinations worth considering if SP is ghost town?
Above Average
04-16-23, 17:09
My 2 cents, from what I've read about Colombia, it seems comparisons between Brazil and Colombia overlook two major downsides of Colombia:
1) Hotels in Colombia are by default NOT girl-friendly.
2) Accessing your cash in Colombia is difficult. ATMs in Colombia give out only small amounts and sometimes steal your money (in Brazil you get 2500 Real free of charge at Bradesco). I'm not even talking about living in Colombia and banking there, apparently Colombian banks are among the most rapacious in South America, collecting fees even for withdrawing money with a local card from your own Colombian bank account!I did a detailed post on Colombian ATMs back in 2020. Basically I found that using my debit at ATMs was the best way to access cash in Colombia. Most ATMs have ridiculous fees on top of crappy exchange rates, but if you go the right ATMs you can get a decent rate.
I just arrived in SP so I don't know the best method to get cash or do an online payment.
PayPal doesn't give a great rate and apparently they take another 10% from the recipient? If true that's obscene.
I'm pretty sure only Brazilians can use Pix, can somebody confirm?
What do you guys recommend for ATMs or payment apps?
My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.
I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.
I don't understand this post. You claimed you went to scandallo but most of your posts talks about agents and outcalls?
I'm planning a trip to sao paulo in June, and the posts here said there's 200+ WG in scandallo, but you're claiming you couldn't find one good one?
As far as the "rush and call it a good one after a shot," well yeah, that's why you have to negotiate multiple shots with WGs. Some folks are far too reliant on escort agency outcalls with fake pictures and pushy managers, when all they had to do was walk down the street to a brothel and pick who they want.
My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.
I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.
The main thing that I noticed is that in So Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.
I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.
I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".
I said yeah if not I'm out.
I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.
Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like.
Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.
But even then after sampling like out here I am not too impressed.
For the price of comming out here and the inflated prices these girls are charging I would go elsewhere.I'm due up for my trip report but I will say briefly the best experience I've had mongering (including MX, Colombia, Philippines, Brazil) has been bar fining the Scandalo girls back to my hotel. They never leave after the first pop stick around a few hours and I've gone 2 more rounds. Also very open to negotiating I usually counter with 300 reais below asking. Some absolute smoke show Brancas were amazing in bed
The day clinicas are also amazing bang for buck if you find a gem in the lineup. Wow talk about money's worth.
Quick question, how quiet is SP between roughly the 27th and 2nd of Jan? I am assuming slim pickings with a lot of people headed home or away on holiday? Would love to be wrong about that as its convenient timing for me.?27-30 will be OK. I was in SP same time period last year (2022). The boates, especially Scandello, weren't very crowded but there was more than enough talent for a good time. The boates will be closed NYE but it's a Sunday this year and they would have been closed anyway.
AIRBNB and HOTEL
Also take into consideration of hotels. Some girls will only go to a guys place if it's a hotel. I had some scandallo girls tell me this and online girls. Since this is my 6th rodeo I had some girls who I had a repeat with come to my airbnb but that's because they knew I was 300 like the romans (300 = CCC = cool, calm, collective).
I stayed in the Grand Hyatt at their presidential suite which is their best suite and it was a delight. I was there during lollapalooza festival so it was extra interesting as some of the artists were staying on the same floor and security was extra tight as there was a ton of fan girls waiting to see their favorite artists walk by. I'm sure some were for me as well but I didn't pay them no mind.
Things to take note of is that the maximum registered guests you can have for your stay is 3 people. Anything over that you have to pay R150. The rooms is big enough to have 6-8 people over so really it's up to you if you want to pay that extra cost for an 4 some or more. Before 7 pm they don't really care about you bringing a girl or 2 or 4 over because they know you have friends that will want to come over but after 7 pm they have a security guard at the front who will guide you to the front desk to sign in your guests because they assume anyone coming in after 7 pm might stay the night and they don't want a fiesta happening in your place without getting a piece of that sweet action. Once a girl leaves make sure to sign them out so you have two guests available to come still. The front desk might try to squeeze you like a Heinz EZ Squirt Purple ketchup bottle and say you already used up your 2 guest spots and now you have to pay R150 for any new visitors. That's not how it works. It's any two guests at any given time. As long as you signed out any previous guests you don't have to pay unless you go over the room limit. It's usually a different front desk person so they might be confused so just politely tell them you are within the limit and clear up the confusion.
With the presidential suite you also get free breakfast, usually that means downstairs on the first floor but you can also get it sent to your room complimentary. You have to use the hotel's website to order your breakfast combo and add it to your room charge and schedule it but once you check out it will be noted as complimentary and you don't pay. A buddy of mine who has been there many many time never knew this and always missed breakfast. With the jacuzzi and it's view of the city it's really the best spot in SP. Your girl will go wild.So just wanted to clarify, since I reserved my room at the Renaissance for just me, will I be charged the R150 every time I bring a new guest or will there be some leeway during a specific time of day?
I've been to quite a few countries. I haven't experienced one yet where ATMs don't offer best or at least competitive exchange rates. Add the convenience factor athis is tnd avoiding the risk of traveling with large amounts of cash and I am baffled why the debate about this continues.
I did a detailed post on Colombian ATMs back in 2020. Basically I found that using my debit at ATMs was the best way to access cash in Colombia. Most ATMs have ridiculous fees on top of crappy exchange rates, but if you go the right ATMs you can get a decent rate.
I just arrived in SP so I don't know the best method to get cash or do an online payment.
PayPal doesn't give a great rate and apparently they take another 10% from the recipient? If true that's obscene.
I'm pretty sure only Brazilians can use Pix, can somebody confirm?
What do you guys recommend for ATMs or payment apps?
BigButtDetecto
04-17-23, 04:36
27-30 will be OK. I was in SP same time period last year (2022). The boates, especially Scandello, weren't very crowded but there was more than enough talent for a good time. The boates will be closed NYE but it's a Sunday this year and they would have been closed anyway.I'm sure Escandallo has pretty girls, but I don't think its a good idea to spend that much money on one girl. I will go to SP in 2 weeks but I will probably overlook the boates and go to the clinicas.
First I prefer daytime action and SP can be dangerous at night; second paying a lot of money for a girl is not a guarantee that she will comply with your wishes; third, in Tijuana or Colombia I can have 4 stunners for the price of one at Escandallo. If you have a bad experience with one of them you may still be happy with the 3 others.
ABG's experiences and assistance were of great value. However, clinica discussions dominated the SP thread during the height of ABG's tour guide business.
So I agree. I think the SP forum has flourished with broader experiences. There's still plenty of posts on the clinicas. I'm surprised no local has picked up where ABG left off.Hi everyone. Anyone who can assist me with wingman to hangout in SP. Self will be travelling to SP next month.
Steve 9696
04-17-23, 12:37
I've been to quite a few countries. I haven't experienced one yet where ATMs don't offer best or at least competitive exchange rates. Add the convenience factor athis is tnd avoiding the risk of traveling with large amounts of cash and I am baffled why the debate about this continues.
I am sure u know this Knowledge but others apparently don’t and that’s The reason this keeps coming up — the banks try to trick you. But it's standardized and easy to avoid. When you are doing a withdrawal it will ask you a question. Different banks phrase it differently. Some times it says "withdraw without conversion" or it may say "withdraw in Reals or with draw in USD" (with a footnote that all money will be in Reals. It is confusing. One option the local bank does the conversion. BAD. Bad rate and high fees. And the other your home bank does it at spot rate. GOOD.
Always choose "without conversion" or "withdraw in local currency". Do not choose "with conversion" or "withdraw in USD". These are bad. The non conversion is the option you want. P.S. I found Bradesco to be the most reliable. Both in SP and Rio.
So just wanted to clarify, since I reserved my room at the Renaissance for just me, will I be charged the R150 every time I bring a new guest or will there be some leeway during a specific time of day?Just book your room for two guests and the problem is solved. You can bring different girls and most of the time they don't check during the day. They might check later in the night when you come back to the room with a girl. She can register with the hotel and if you have two guests, then they won't charge you anything.
FlowState985
04-17-23, 14:54
I'm sure Escandallo has pretty girls, but I don't think its a good idea to spend that much money on one girl. I will go to SP in 2 weeks but I will probably overlook the boates and go to the clinicas.
First I prefer daytime action and SP can be dangerous at night; second paying a lot of money for a girl is not a guarantee that she will comply with your wishes; third, in Tijuana or Colombia I can have 4 stunners for the price of one at Escandallo. If you have a bad experience with one of them you may still be happy with the 3 others.SP is like any major city in the US, it is not dangerous depends on where you go. As far as Scandallo, yes it is getting more and more expensive and probably will remain there if people willing to pay the price and also not guarantee service. More beautiful women for sure because you have more overall women at the club plus they dress and put on makeup. Clinicas give you the best bang for your bucks, and you can find good looking girl for great service, plus if you're not a night time person, it is best for clinicas.
SP is like any major city in the US, it is not dangerous depends on where you go. As far as Scandallo, yes it is getting more and more expensive and probably will remain there if people willing to pay the price and also not guarantee service. More beautiful women for sure because you have more overall women at the club plus they dress and put on makeup. Clinicas give you the best bang for your bucks, and you can find good looking girl for great service, plus if you're not a night time person, it is best for clinicas.Dollar is down now. Last month it was 5. 25, now is 4. 81 so it is getting expensive too.
Hi everyone. Anyone who can assist me with wingman to hangout in SP. Self will be travelling to SP next month.When will you be in SP? I will be there next month.
When will you be in SP? I will be there next month.Hey wouldn't mind meeting up as well. I'll be there next month on the 12th.
This is excellent advice. I think this is what confuses guys.
I am sure u know this Knowledge but others apparently dont and thats The reason this keeps coming up the banks try to trick you. But it's standardized and easy to avoid. When you are doing a withdrawal it will ask you a question. Different banks phrase it differently. Some times it says "withdraw without conversion" or it may say "withdraw in Reals or with draw in USD" (with a footnote that all money will be in Reals. It is confusing. One option the local bank does the conversion. BAD. Bad rate and high fees. And the other your home bank does it at spot rate. GOOD.
Always choose "without conversion" or "withdraw in local currency". Do not choose "with conversion" or "withdraw in USD". These are bad. The non conversion is the option you want. P.S. I found Bradesco to be the most reliable. Both in SP and Rio.
Above Average
04-17-23, 21:14
So my first day in Brazil was pretty disappointing. My first day after any long flight usually sucks but I has extra reason to be frustrated.
To start GRU is the only airport I've been to where there is nowhere to buy a sim card. It's really sucks being in a new country without any data to use maps or uber. I can still book an uber using the airports wifi but I figure I should grab some cash just in case my card doesn't cooperate (and it doesn't). Turns out the atms are even worse than the atms in Colombia (so far) and the exchange rates plus fees are horrible. The best ATM I can find offers an exchange rate 20% below market rate and a $24 fee. This sucks but I withdraw just enough cash to get me to my hotel in hopes I can find a better ATM elsewhere.
I get to my hotel and my main priority is to still find a sim card, but I discover that 90% of stores are closed on Sunday. The hotel clerk tells me that there is a mall about a 6 min drive away (30 min walk) so I book another Uber using the hotel wifi and go there. I only see luxury clothes stores and no mobile providers so I find the information desk and they tell me that Vivo is on floor 2 and Claro is on floor 3. After being lost for another 15 minutes I learn that in Brazil the ground floor is level 0 not 1. I go to the Vivo store and the staff is all busy. I go to Claro and I see 3 employees helping 2 customers so I take a seat at the desk and wait. After waiting for 5 min I interrupt one of the employees and ask how much longer. He apathetically says "I don't know" so I leave in a very passive aggressive manner. I go back to Vivo and one of the employees is kind enough to tell me I need to take a number and points towards a screen that has no number on display. I don't get it but I take a number and wait. The waiting is slow so I go upstairs to floor 3 (floor 4 in north american) and I order a wrap. Once again I am issued a number so I sit and wait again, and I people-watch to pass the time. I see lots if beautiful women and I also see a 12 year old girl wearing one of those sexy underboob shirts and I am disturbed. I get my wrap and it is decent. I go back downstairs and Vivo is now ready to help me. As soon as they figure out I'm a foreigner they ask for my passport and obviously I don't have it on me because everybody I talked to told me to only carry what I needed in Brazil. I have to go back to my hotel but I have no cash so I need to find another shitty ATM. There are no atms in the mall so I have to across the street. Banco Santander does not accept my debit card so I go across another street to Bradesco. They are offering an exchange rate 11% under market rate and a $20 fee. This also sucks but it's the best so far. I get more cash and I'm finally headed back to my hotel, but no Uber this time since there's no wifi. Turns out taxis are almost twice as expensive as Uber.
By the time I get back to my hotel, pick up my passport, go back to the mall and get my sim card set up, it's already been 8 hours since my plane landed. I'm jet-lagged and tired as fuck and I'm secretly hoping that half the mall staff die in a fire because the firefighters can't tell what floor they're on. I'm too tired and frustrated to do anything else that day.
If anybody here is going to be a first time visitor to Brazil, please learn from my mistakes.
Above Average
04-17-23, 21:41
I've been to quite a few countries. I haven't experienced one yet where ATMs don't offer best or at least competitive exchange rates. Add the convenience factor athis is tnd avoiding the risk of traveling with large amounts of cash and I am baffled why the debate about this continues.If I take a girl home from Scandallo will I be able to pay her with Visa? I met my first girl today, and Visa took another 7% off her so she upcharged me by 7%.
Bradesco is still the best ATM I've found but 11% below market rate plus $20 in fees is kinda shitty.
Hey wouldn't mind meeting up as well. I'll be there next month on the 12th.I'll be there starting the 15th.
When will you be in SP? I will be there next month.I will be in SP around May last week. Will be there for 2 weeks.
I don't understand this post. You claimed you went to scandallo but most of your posts talks about agents and outcalls?
I'm planning a trip to sao paulo in June, and the posts here said there's 200+ WG in scandallo, but you're claiming you couldn't find one good one?
As far as the "rush and call it a good one after a shot," well yeah, that's why you have to negotiate multiple shots with WGs. Some folks are far too reliant on escort agency outcalls with fake pictures and pushy managers, when all they had to do was walk down the street to a brothel and pick who they want.You need to keep your expectation lower. It was a disappointment the first time I went to Scandallo because my expectation was too high and that could only be met on a great day. I am not the only one felt this way. We reported our experience a couple of years ago. In this case, you may disappoint if you are expecting 200 as common occurrence.
I use only a VISA in Sao Paulo to withdraw cash at ATMs, mostly at Bradesco or Santander. You only have to be careful for the rate and do not convert (as already mentioned by others).
If you want to register with PIX, you need a Brazilian CPF, so you cannot use it if you don't have one.
But only for receiving. For sending to a PIX account, there are a few apps where you can do this with CC or even Apple Pay (apps like PAYSEND or Remitly. I tried both and it worked, but I use now only PAYSEND. If you installing the app and using code "02 tlwb" you should get a bonus or at least first tx is free, so you can test it 😎.
I did a detailed post on Colombian ATMs back in 2020. Basically I found that using my debit at ATMs was the best way to access cash in Colombia. Most ATMs have ridiculous fees on top of crappy exchange rates, but if you go the right ATMs you can get a decent rate.
I just arrived in SP so I don't know the best method to get cash or do an online payment.
PayPal doesn't give a great rate and apparently they take another 10% from the recipient? If true that's obscene.
I'm pretty sure only Brazilians can use Pix, can somebody confirm?
What do you guys recommend for ATMs or payment apps?
If I take a girl home from Scandallo will I be able to pay her with Visa? I met my first girl today, and Visa took another 7% off her so she upcharged me by 7%.
Bradesco is still the best ATM I've found but 11% below market rate plus $20 in fees is kinda shitty.More than likely yes because of the card fees. I was surprised at how many people including street vendors, had personal credit card machines which is pretty efficient.
Above Average
04-18-23, 14:34
I am sure u know this Knowledge but others apparently dont and thats The reason this keeps coming up the banks try to trick you. But it's standardized and easy to avoid. When you are doing a withdrawal it will ask you a question. Different banks phrase it differently. Some times it says "withdraw without conversion" or it may say "withdraw in Reals or with draw in USD" (with a footnote that all money will be in Reals. It is confusing. One option the local bank does the conversion. BAD. Bad rate and high fees. And the other your home bank does it at spot rate. GOOD.
Always choose "without conversion" or "withdraw in local currency". Do not choose "with conversion" or "withdraw in USD". These are bad. The non conversion is the option you want. P.S. I found Bradesco to be the most reliable. Both in SP and Rio.I don't think I've ever been given this option. My bank is a Canadian credit union so I'm not sure if that makes a difference.
Perhaps my memory isn't very good because I went to a Bradesco ATM yesterday and it couldn't process my card, so I went to Santander instead. The ATM told me it was going to charge me a $20 real fee but it didn't say anything else about the exchange rate, nor did it give me any conversion options. I took a gamble and withdrew the cash anyways. It turned OK because the exchange rate it gave me was only 5. 7% below market rate.
I was going to go to Scandello yesterday but my energy levels are still low so I decided to go somewhere less expensive: Bomboa. They have $300 minimum on entry that you spend on drinks and food, $170 to take the girl to a room upstairs and $200 to take her out of the bar. The beers are $40 and the girl drinks are $90, and the food is kinda expensive too (and a bit mediocre). I went at 8 pm because I was struggling to stay awake and the place was pretty dead in terms of customers. There were about 20 girls on the floor, another 10 staff members, and 5 customers including me. Most of the girls were in the 5-8 range but I saw a few 9's. I started talking to one of the 9's who was very beautiful and friendly and I took her to my hotel for $1000 plus the bar fine. I should have negotiated a better price because I was surrounded by girls who wanted to do business with me. I did have a good time with the girl but she had a few too many restrictions and she was kind of eager to get going after spending an hour in my hotel.
I'm sorry guys, I guess chumps like me are responsible for price inflation. I'm worried that when I go to scandallo I'm going to spend a minimum of $2000.
So my first day in Brazil was pretty disappointing. My first day after any long flight usually sucks but I has extra reason to be frustrated.
To start GRU is the only airport I've been to where there is nowhere to buy a sim card. It's really sucks being in a new country without any data to use maps or uber. I can still book an uber using the airports wifi but I figure I should grab some cash just in case my card doesn't cooperate (and it doesn't). Turns out the atms are even worse than the atms in Colombia (so far) and the exchange rates plus fees are horrible. The best ATM I can find offers an exchange rate 20% below market rate and a $24 fee. This sucks but I withdraw just enough cash to get me to my hotel in hopes I can find a better ATM elsewhere.
I get to my hotel and my main priority is to still find a sim card, but I discover that 90% of stores are closed on Sunday. The hotel clerk tells me that there is a mall about a 6 min drive away (30 min walk) so I book another Uber using the hotel wifi and go there. I only see luxury clothes stores and no mobile providers so I find the information desk and they tell me that Vivo is on floor 2 and Claro is on floor 3. After being lost for another 15 minutes I learn that in Brazil the ground floor is level 0 not 1. I go to the Vivo store and the staff is all busy. I go to Claro and I see 3 employees helping 2 customers so I take a seat at the desk and wait. After waiting for 5 min I interrupt one of the employees and ask how much longer. He apathetically says "I don't know" so I leave in a very passive aggressive manner. I go back to Vivo and one of the employees is kind enough to tell me I need to take a number and points towards a screen that has no number on display. I don't get it but I take a number and wait..You have reinforced my decision to set up my google Fi account. Obrigado.
Sorry to hear about your frustrations so far, I'm sure things will get better. Looking forward to more updates / experiences!
Steve 9696
04-18-23, 15:01
If I take a girl home from Scandallo will I be able to pay her with Visa? I met my first girl today, and Visa took another 7% off her so she upcharged me by 7%.
Bradesco is still the best ATM I've found but 11% below market rate plus $20 in fees is kinda shitty.See my post below. You are absolutely choosing the wrong option if you are dealing with exchange rates and killer fees. Choose "no conversion" and the local bank is not involved in the exchange rate at all. I know factually this works at Santander and Bradesco.
Also doing phone wrong IMO. Get Google FI before you leave the states. It uses an ESIM so you can add your to any modern phone. You don't do anything when you reach Brazil or 200 other countries. Just power on and you are good to go. You can log into the web and pause service any time. So you can only have it active when you travel. You MUST signup and activate from US tho. Another benefit was when my phone was pickpocketed in Rio I could just logon my computer and shut off phone / internet instantly. Then restore later on new phone.
Does anyone have the name of the highest end Escort agencies in São Paulo or Brazil? I'm talking fitness queen / model or actress quality.
Thanks in advance.
You need to keep your expectation lower. It was a disappointment the first time I went to Scandallo because my expectation was too high and that could only be met on a great day. I am not the only one felt this way. We reported our experience a couple of years ago. In this case, you may disappoint if you are expecting 200 as common occurrence.Lower my expectations in what regard? Number of women? Performance? Attitude? Pricing? Variety or diversity of women? Many folks have said it's "better than Colombia. " I've been to Thailand, Amsterdam, German FKKs, Dominican Republic, Barcelona, Dubai, etc.
Lower my expectations in what regard? Number of women? Performance? Attitude? Pricing? Variety or diversity of women? Many folks have said it's "better than Colombia. " I've been to Thailand, Amsterdam, German FKKs, Dominican Republic, Barcelona, Dubai, etc.My mistake to offer advice unsolicited.
...Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.....I don't know what your list is. I know this setup but my experience was YMMV because the ones I had are all from twitter. There is a reason I like them. I have reported this as well.
I am assuming you did not try clinica. It may turn out differently if you have tried because it usually is reliable.
I hope your trip gets better. Don't worry we've all been here done that. I have to say 100% of the problems that you are having right now could have been prevented if you spent time reading the posts on here that people spend time writing on. Look for the post that are comprehensive and long. Those novels that people wrote in here are very helpful in preventing problems like what you are going through. It sounds like you didn't read this group's post before you arrived because the topics have been beaten to death over and over in here. Be prepared to run into more problems because a lot of things work differently there. Thanks for sharing.
So my first day in Brazil was pretty disappointing. My first day after any long flight usually sucks but I has extra reason to be frustrated.
To start GRU is the only airport I've been to where there is nowhere to buy a sim card. It's really sucks being in a new country without any data to use maps or uber. I can still book an uber using the airports wifi but I figure I should grab some cash just in case my card doesn't cooperate (and it doesn't). Turns out the atms are even worse than the atms in Colombia (so far) and the exchange rates plus fees are horrible. The best ATM I can find offers an exchange rate 20% below market rate and a $24 fee. This sucks but I withdraw just enough cash to get me to my hotel in hopes I can find a better ATM elsewhere.
I get to my hotel and my main priority is to still find a sim card, but I discover that 90% of stores are closed on Sunday. The hotel clerk tells me that there is a mall about a 6 min drive away (30 min walk) so I book another Uber using the hotel wifi and go there. I only see luxury clothes stores and no mobile providers so I find the information desk and they tell me that Vivo is on floor 2 and Claro is on floor 3. After being lost for another 15 minutes I learn that in Brazil the ground floor is level 0 not 1. I go to the Vivo store and the staff is all busy. I go to Claro and I see 3 employees helping 2 customers so I take a seat at the desk and wait. After waiting for 5 min I interrupt one of the employees and ask how much longer. He apathetically says "I don't know" so I leave in a very passive aggressive manner. I go back to Vivo and one of the employees is kind enough to tell me I need to take a number and points towards a screen that has no number on display. I don't get it but I take a number and wait. The waiting is slow so I go upstairs to floor 3 (floor 4 in north american) and I order a wrap. Once again I am issued a number so I sit and wait again, and I people-watch to pass the time. I see lots if beautiful women and I also see a 12 year old girl wearing one of those sexy underboob shirts and I am disturbed. I get my wrap and it is decent. I go back downstairs and Vivo is now ready to help me. As soon as they figure out I'm a foreigner they ask for my passport and obviously I don't have it on me because everybody I talked to told me to only carry what I needed in Brazil. I have to go back to my hotel but I have no cash so I need to find another shitty ATM. There are no atms in the mall so I have to across the street. Banco Santander does not accept my debit card so I go across another street to Bradesco. They are offering an exchange rate 11% under market rate and a $20 fee. This also sucks but it's the best so far. I get more cash and I'm finally headed back to my hotel, but no Uber this time since there's no wifi. Turns out taxis are almost twice as expensive as Uber.
By the time I get back to my hotel, pick up my passport, go back to the mall and get my sim card set up, it's already been 8 hours since my plane landed. I'm jet-lagged and tired as fuck and I'm secretly hoping that half the mall staff die in a fire because the firefighters can't tell what floor they're on. I'm too tired and frustrated to do anything else that day.
If anybody here is going to be a first time visitor to Brazil, please learn from my mistakes.
My mistake to offer advice unsolicited.It's only a mistake if you fail to clarify your point. Mongers conducting research need clear concise information, not generic cliches labeled as advice.
It's only a mistake if you fail to clarify your point. Mongers conducting research need clear concise information, not unsolicited generic cliches.I am passing alone my experience the first night I was there with 2 other ISGers and trying to tamper newbies' expectation so the new members can have better experience. The point is simple. Keep your expectation low so it is easier to be met and one will be more satisfied. My guess is that you misunderstood what I was saying and talking about Colombia, maybe somehow thinking I was comparing but that is nowhere near what I said.
I am passing alone my experience the first night I was there with 2 other ISGers and trying to tamper newbies' expectation so the new members can have better experience. The point is simple. Keep your expectation low so it is easier to be met and one will be more satisfied. My guess is that you misunderstood what I was saying and talking about Colombia, maybe somehow thinking I was comparing but that is nowhere near what I said.My point is simple, "lower your expectations" is not advice unless you clarify HOW and to WHAT regards it needs to be lowered. Does a person need to expect 100 girls instead? 80? Bad attitudes? Bad English? Fat and ugly women? Covered blowjob? My guess is that you always offer unsolicited advice, but fail to scratch beyond the surface.
Again, you offered unsolicited generic input to my post and labeled it as advice, not me. I didnt ask you anything, my post was for another users trip repot.
...unless you clarify HOW and to WHAT regards it needs to be lowered. ....I think you are not as experienced as you said and come here to argue.
... In this case, you may disappoint if you are expecting 200 as common occurrence.
I think you are not as experienced as you said and come here to argue.I came here for information for my trip to Sao Paulo, the last on my global mongering checklist. I asked a simple question to someone, and you provided an unsolicited response of “lower your expectations of 200” without explaining what number it should be.
So, what number should it be? 100? 50? If I’m going to spend thousands to travel there, and you're offering unsolicited advice, I think I should know. You're clearly not experienced with providing good unsolicited advice.
Attached is me with pornstar Lauren Phillips (I’ve been with plenty of others). You don’t get to that level of “experience” without knowing how to get good information, and blocking out all the useless information.
As the saying goes, "No good deed goes unpunished. ".
As the saying goes, “If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.”
Jimmy Boy 99
04-19-23, 15:10
I think you are not as experienced as you said and come here to argue.As the saying goes, "No good deed goes unpunished. ".
I was in SP for the first time two weeks ago. I had read the reports about Scandallo from SocratesNY and decided to check it out. I went several times, both daytime and late evening. It is as Socrates says, a very high-end establishment with many well-dressed women in many shapes and sizes. I read carefully through the positive and negative reports in this forum, developed and expectation, which was largely met. It is high-end mongering and not cheap. If you are on a tight budget, you will be frustrated. The cost to get in is 500 after 7 pm, and the barfine is 300. So we are talking 800, about US $160, in just overhead, although some of that can be used for alcohol and food. You start to party with a girl, the overhead may be much more. During daytime there may be 30 gals. Evenings I'd guess 150. The club itself is class. Absolutely beautiful with great decor, sound system, wait staff, and food. The club is huge with many large spaces. I particularly like the large garden space.
I like slender spinners. I am not into oversized bunda and tits. Most of the ladies were too big and not doable. But oversized and fake is the trend worldwide. Seems many guys like it,. You have to go to Asia to find mostly natural thin bodies, and even there they are on the decline. But 10% were very attractive. I had a fantastic time with several of them. Partied heavily with one of them on two occasions. About half of them wanted to do CBJ, and about half of those could be talked out of it. But that is not an issue for me. The more attractive slender girls were expecting more money than the big bunda types.
Went to Helpe in Rio about 12 years ago. Would say that Helpe and Scandallo quality and quantity are comparable.
I love Thailand for its spinners and its topless hands-on gogo bars. It is also very safe and the food is great. I would rate Thailand above SP, and SP above Dubai / FKK / CR. But we all have our own personal preferences when it comes to body types, ambiance, safety and food. So your ranking may differ. I have not bee to Colombia, so cannot weigh in there.
One very positive thing about Scandalo is that none of the girls were the least perturbed by my age (60 year old white guy from Canada). In some of the bars in Thailand, some girls will only go with young Asian guys. But that is a minority of the girls. In most gogos and soi 6 bars, girls will go with anyone. Also, the Latina can be very special. High energy and emotional, which can be great fun.
When are you leaving?
I don't think I've ever been given this option. M
..... I'm going to spend a minimum of $2000.
I was in SP for the first time two weeks ago. I had read the reports about Scandallo from SocratesNY and decided to check it out. I went several times, both daytime and late evening. It is as Socrates says, a very high-end establishment with many well-dressed women in many shapes and sizes.
Excellent and informative report of Scandallo, thank you for explaining exactly how many girls we can expect on average, what time to expect them, services requested, looks, and comparisons to other mongering places such as Dubai and Thailand. I've already been to Germany FKK Sharks and Oase, as well as Walking Street in Pattaya Thailand, and Red Square in Dubai, so I wanted to give Brazil a shot to try something new.
Your number or 150 WGs in Scandallo as well as ranking above Dubai, plus the reports I've seen of Cafe Photo and Casaro, indicates to me that my plan for SP will indeed be worth it and not regretful. Thank you again for this helpful and informative report.
First trip to Brazil/Sao Paulo and I really enjoyed my time there. TLDR: Thanks to everyone for their reports and helpful PMs.
I didn't think I'd need to rehash some of these details, but literally a few posts down, some BMs were struggling with some practical issues. Here's how I approached them:
RTFF, I read about 100 pages of SP & Rio and the Reports of Distinction. If you have questions, probably have better ones if you sort of get what the different places are about and different BM's styles of the hobby. I wanted to get a broad view of the scene as I was solo for this one.
CPF: Took 2 business days to get it. Free and online, no reason not to get as Brazil is notorious for the difficulty in getting a SIM "chip" card w / o a CPF. No tax implications unless you become a resident or overstay (verify this info for yourself).
Flight: coming overnight from the great white north is definitely not my preference, but I wanted to not waste time and flew direct (but likely will fly daytime connections via Colombia layovers in the future).
Airport Wifi / ATMs: Free GRU wifi for Uber (I used eSim as below), but have to watch a 20 second ad. Didn't grab cash, but lots of combo 24 HR machines (probably with high fees). Had backup USD cash on hand for emergencies (make sure crisp and clean otherwise cambios won't deal).
Hotel: Mercure SP Ibirapuera Privilege. Definitely in the flight path and noisy, but didn't bother me after a few days, although would probably stay out of "the path" (as Bearsi posted), in the future. GF friendly as far as I could tell (they mention a guest fee of approx 100 BRL, but I was able to bring a lady over directly to the elevator a few times, but she didn't stay overnight), I didn't like the included breakfast. Thanks to SocratesNY for setting me straight on the GF priority (I had initially booked a nice place but wasn't GF friendly, which is rare in SP). Decent Wifi and clean. Used self-serve laundry.
Cash / ATMs / Credit Cards: walked over to the Bradesco or Santander and they didn't give a conversion option (maybe a CAD thing), but the exchange rate was consistently 2. 5% lower than market rate. I got charged the classic 1 time fee (20 BRL) as I do anywhere that's not my bank brand. Took out 2000/2500 BRL at a time. One surprise was that 2 of my 3 CCs generally did not work anywhere. That's probably the biggest gotcha (I didn't carry all my CCs at once and the banks / CC insisted no issues with card). I always tried to have 2000 BRL cash on hand to mitigate.
Sim: Vivo from the mall (3. 50 BRL+plan), they were really friendly even though I don't speak Porto. But definitely give yourself time as set up takes forever (and for some reason they couldn't figure out long distance) and their system went down, so I had to return the next day. Apparently this plan doesn't expire. Pay as you go.
ESim: I use Airolo (a bit expensive) for first time country visits to avoid dealing with lack of data. Backup is roaming with my telecom provider. Google FI doesn't work in CAD unfortunately (some border town folks have gotten it to work). I generally set esim on iPhone to low data mode and never really have issues.
Uber: From GRU airport to Moema, approx 75 min at noon time to Mercure Moema Privilege (30 min in the middle of the night). Only used Uber throughout the trip, pretty inexpensive, but as many have mentioned, sometimes takes a while for UberX. Use Black if in a rush.
Sao Paulo. I really liked the vibe, I guess I'm a big city kinda guy. Never felt any sort of danger, but didn't walk around late at night on my own. I enjoyed the park, all the great coffee shops and restaurants. Locals were really friendly even for my non-Porto. I always had my canned Portuguese lines and Gtranslate ready and this was never an issue.
Wingman:
I met up with WonderWhy a couple of times during the trip and I was joking that I'm not really a checklist guy, but I did try a little bit of everything (other than PA / Online GPS). Good guy to chill with and share stories.
Girls:
After going to Vivo, I started the trip at Clinica Prime (av Irai, 511). So not really having met too many Brazilian women before, I wasn't sure what to expect, as so many have mentioned the famous bunda. Like Axel mentioned also recently, I really like the ladies on the taller side and slim / natural. I wasn't disappointed, ha. Fernanda was at the desk and went over everything, and called for a presentation. There were a few other guys in and out of the lobby, so didn't feel rushed at all. There were at least 3 spinner types that I liked, but ended up going with Agatha (so hard to remember the other many names on little sleep). Guessing 5'5"/115 lbs brunette morena clara with some gravity defying "be" to "see" cups. Pretty good session, soft lips for kissing, DATY / BJ and generally pretty chill. 1 HR, 250 BRL. Clinica, check. Also could have gone with Gabriela, curly hair brunette, pretty and good service according to gp-guia (didn't do extensive research beforehand there).
Next day was checking out some sites / food and messaged WW and he happened to be staying nearby. We grabbed a drink and he took me to Tangara. Was a Saturday afternoon and it was packed, so many guys. Ended up not sessioning and WW had to meet his overnight.
Napped and around midnight headed to Casarao (R Augusta, 791). Grabbed my bar tab card (50 BRL entry) and walked around. To be honest, I haven't been in a night club environment in a long time. It was too loud in the dance floor area, but the back hall / lounge and downstairs smoking / bar / booths were more my speed. Probably 80-100 girls and lots of guys. It got pretty packed, so I just hung out on the corner just before the back lounge area to watch girls move around for a while to get a good look. Had a few girls approach, but the ladies were not aggressive. Overall I probably saw 5 girls that I was interested in that night. One pretty morena (in a spangly gymnasty outfit) only did CBJ for 500 BRL, another would only stay 3 hrs for 1000 BRL and not overnight, one tiny branca was pursued before I could get to talk to her (but didn't see her again). There was a bubbly tall moreno with big hair and energy, but she didn't really seem into me, so didn't really pursue (also has bigger T&A than I usually like).
Around 2:30 am landed on Gaby, a super slim morena from Rio (said she comes every so often for the last 2 years). She was dancing with a friend and could definitely move her hips. Had to grab her dancing and after we met, she went straight to the bar for a drink (red flag? Danced / hugged for a while with her butt up against me for quite a while with our drinks. Eventually went downstairs to talk. She wanted 600 BRL per HR (and wouldn't do overnight), ended up countering and went for 500 BRL. Now for the waiting: time lining up to exit (about 30 minutes, ended up with a 200 BRL tab), and then next door another 45 minutes of her sitting on my lap in the hotel lobby waiting for the room (50 BRL? As an aside, she was definitely more conservative than other girls (in dress and demeanor). For instance, in one of the booths downstairs, a guy with bottles literally had a girls boobs out and was massaging them pretty aggressively. In the hotel lobby, one of the girls was basically naked coming down the stairs and probably drunk / high and fell into the couple beside us. When we got to the room, cleaned up and finally time for action. She was potentially the smallest lady I have ever been with. 5'2", maybe 80-85 lbs, "be" cups, pretty smile with a nice cushy bum. I started with a massage (or rather continued as we were body to body for almost 1. 5 hrs already). Not ultra passionate, but definitely more of a massage girl experience in terms of movement (if that makes sense). Good DATY / BJ. Once she got on top, it was an amazing view and she turned on the sultry. Good session, no rush. Got back to the hotel at approx 6:30 am and I was pretty exhausted. Boate, check. It was pretty wild on the streets at 6am, but wasn't dangerous per se. Just a lot of drunken party people. I did accidentally get in the wrong Uber, luckily didn't get in a fight with the other guy ha.
Woke up super late and checked out Ibirapuera park. Some nice eye candy going on runs or other activities. There was an event going on and I couldn't get an Uber until I walked about 20 min away. Crazy traffic. Met up again with WW again at Clinica Yankin (R. Dr. Jos de Queirs Aranha, 148). This place isn't mentioned too much, but I would describe it as split into 2 halves: When you ring in, the left room is a longer room with the "reception" and a whole bunch of couches to meet the ladies during the presentation. The other half is more squarish with a bar and tables and chairs. More on this as we ended up leaving to grab food.
Seeking: Was registered for a few years, but decided to check out the membership for messaging ability. Got a discount code ($87 USD for 30 days) and fired it up a couple of weeks before landing. Thanks Steve 9696 for the no-nonsense guidance via PM (if you're into great novel / Penthouse letters, give his, DramaFree, Elvis and others' Seeking reports a read). This is all down to personal style how you like to experience the ladies. I have been to FKKs and smashed 6 girls in an evening, but definitely not my speed any more (but not due to age / fitness LOL). I definitely prefer longer dates and no rush in the bedroom w / some chemistry. There is literally something for everyone here. Obviously photos can be generous (much like agencies / online) and you have to usually take the worst angle / photo and make that your expectation. Won't go into too much mechanics as others have good guidance there. A pretty brunette branca with fake T&A wanted 2 k BRL!! For a session after some dinner / drinks, some other younger types were asking 900 BRL with some restrictions. Messaged a few really pretty negras, but didn't get that far in the conversation. I wasn't specifying too strict of a time, generally a few hours and see how things go. I ended up messaging a branca gamer / anime girl, who responded on Whatsapp when WW and I were eating (my other option was a pretty ruiva MILF). Long story short, it was a rollercoaster. Did a video chat and got a good vibe. She wanted cash (900 BRL), but also a gift and then later, eventually wanting help fixing her phone. I know this sounds crazy and most would not want to deal with this. But I went with the flow (I'll probably post a long version in the Seeking thread) and be / see she was super late (from far out of the city), we couldn't even address the phone cost estimate as I didn't commit (we got to the mall just at closing, but everything had closed hours earlier, which I figured would happen). But, I convinced her to check out a love hotel with me (and basically an overnight). As she moved the target, so did I, LOL. Seeking check, Pernoite check, love hotel, girlfriend-esque drama, check ha.
Euphoria Motel: downloaded the guiademoteis app (good map function and last minute deals, IE book just before arriving) and got a hidro room for under 200 BRL for 12 hrs. Had a slight issue checking in (because I registered under my stage name and it didn't match my passport copy haha, also make sure girl has ID). Also, the room's jacuzzi / hidro wasn't working (like an HR into it), but got switched to a smaller but functional room. It was fun to check out (they even have BDSM stuff), but we ended up sort of freezing our butts off after the action (hotel gave us an extra sheet, but no blankets available and I wasn't really planning overnight). Could have used the hair dryer WonderWhy, LOL.
Anyway, to the action. Gamer girl came dressed in a school girl outfit (conservative as I requested) with small blinking LED headphones and edgy makeup, wherever we went she got looks. 5'6", 90 lbs natural "be" cups. Great experience. Endless kissing, soft mouth BJ, DATY, digits, etc. Man, she could ride. I don't think any girl has ridden me cowgirl this long, ever. Different hip movements, varying the tempo / speed. I recall in some of the threads some guys either not being able to finish or finishing too quickly as being "problems" in this hobby. I think with Vitamin see (tadalafil), I enjoyed this never ending ride immensely. Each session, she must have rode me for at least 40 minutes straight in cowgirl with an intense stare, tons of kissing (amongst other positions), no complaints. Soft moans, she had a different sex voice for sure ha. Ended up face smashing with CIMSW. The next morning, grabbed breakfast / coffee and figured out the rest of the "deal" as we went along. Once we figured out some of the other stuff, could have cut her loose with some cash, but ended up getting her the gifts / fix phone and ended up being a 24 HR thing. No regrets, but would definitely do things differently. Even though it sounded like she was a shark, she was lovely and it was super IOP / girlfriend (her English is quite good) and went all over town to explore, drink / eat and smash more. I would probably take her to some beach area where P4 P is lacking and make a multi-day deal in the future. Or, grab another (so many options, Seeking or otherwise). Hopefully after the Porto lessons (from Mr E's youtube teacher), when I return, will be passable and be able to enjoy with more girl options.
Next day, returned to Clinica Yankin. While the lineup may not be as subjectively good as Prime, I enjoyed drinking and hanging out there. I even did work stuff. I was tempted to do a Zoom training while getting action, but even I have my limits to the shenanigans ha. Anyhow, I was enjoying hanging out with the ladies & Patricia came along and was short on battery. I had a bank and lent it to her. Morena, cute with braces, but not my fave body / type (probably 5'5", 135). She was sweet to chat with and we actually had a lot of good laughs. So the downside, she was only the 2nd girl to only offer CBJ & no DATY. Ouch. Went for a session anyway and it was it was pretty intense. Good DFK, CBJ (ok), didn't match rhythms so well on sex. So ended up doing a lot of DFK while she was stroking me and I was eventually putting my fingers everywhere. Didn't finish, but had a good time. 1 HR 190 BRL.
Overall, had a blast, was going to check out Rio for a few days with WW, but plans changed for both of us. I was actually going to go to Scandallo after one of my dinners, but life happens. Will add it to the ongoing checklist! Thanks also to Jimmy Boy 99 for getting me on the WA group for Rio (even though I couldn't make it).
Already convinced another wingman to go down, probably next winter. There are so many options day and night in Brazil, will have more action than I could possibly handle in couple of weeks.
After reading so many reports here and in the Colombia thread, Bog / MDE will probably be more layover visits than destinations for now.
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The Critic
04-20-23, 07:08
First trip to Brazil/Sao Paulo and I really enjoyed my time there. TLDR: Thanks to everyone for their reports and helpful PMs. Good well written report, I found it a good read with lots of details. Look forward to your next report.
Excellent and informative report of Scandallo, thank you for explaining exactly how many girls we can expect on average, what time to expect them, services requested, looks, and comparisons to other mongering places such as Dubai and Thailand. I've already been to Germany FKK Sharks and Oase, as well as Walking Street in Pattaya Thailand, and Red Square in Dubai, so I wanted to give Brazil a shot to try something new.
Your number or 150 WGs in Scandallo as well as ranking above Dubai, plus the reports I've seen of Cafe Photo and Casaro, indicates to me that my plan for SP will indeed be worth it and not regretful. Thank you again for this helpful and informative report.I also went to Casarao on a Sunday night. Maybe 60 girls at midnight. Probably much more on Friday and Saturday. I didn't like it, primarily because the music was much to loud. Girls on average were a notch or two down from Scandallo. They had a girl pole dancing naked. Some guy brought his civilian bi-girlfriend, and she jumped on stage and briefly stripped. She was probably the hottest in the club. Very few if any foreigners in there, no English spoken. In the end I left empty handed. But can see how many guys would enjoy the place.
I think Brazil has Esimn service now. We can probably do everything online and sign up online.
On seeking I noticed that The older They are starting from upper 20 to like 40's They ask a lot. Like an Absurd amount.
I think that could be Blankets in one of the closets of those motels. Did you check?
First trip to Brazil/Sao Paulo and I really enjoyed my time there. TLDR: Thanks to everyone for their reports and helpful PMs.
I didn't think I'd need to rehash some of these details, but literally a few posts down, some BMs were struggling with some practical issues. Here's how I approached them:
RTFF, I read about 100 pages of SP & Rio and the Reports of Distinction. If you have questions, probably have better ones if you sort of get what the different places are about and different BM's styles of the hobby. I wanted to get a broad view of the scene as I was solo for this one.
CPF: Took 2 business days to get it. Free and online, no reason not to get as Brazil is notorious for the difficulty in getting a SIM "chip" card w / o a CPF. No tax implications unless you become a resident or overstay (verify this info for yourself).
Flight: coming overnight from the great white north is definitely not my preference, but I wanted to not waste time and flew direct (but likely will fly daytime connections via Colombia layovers in the future).
Airport Wifi / ATMs: Free GRU wifi for Uber (I used eSim as below), but have to watch a 20 second ad. Didn't grab cash, but lots of combo 24 HR machines (probably with high fees). Had backup USD cash on hand for emergencies (make sure crisp and clean otherwise cambios won't deal).
Hotel: Mercure SP Ibirapuera Privilege. Definitely in the flight path and noisy, but didn't bother me after a few days, although would probably stay out of "the path" (as Bearsi posted), in the future. GF friendly as far as I could tell (they mention a guest fee of approx 100 BRL, but I was able to bring a lady over directly to the elevator a few times, but she didn't stay overnight), I didn't like the included breakfast. Thanks to SocratesNY for setting me straight on the GF priority (I had initially booked a nice place but wasn't GF friendly, which is rare in SP). Decent Wifi and clean. Used self-serve laundry.
Cash / ATMs / Credit Cards: walked over to the Bradesco or Santander and they didn't give a conversion option (maybe a CAD thing), but the exchange rate was consistently 2. 5% lower than market rate. I got charged the classic 1 time fee (20 BRL) as I do anywhere that's not my bank brand. Took out 2000/2500 BRL at a time. One surprise was that 2 of my 3 CCs generally did not work anywhere. That's probably the biggest gotcha (I didn't carry all my CCs at once and the banks / CC insisted no issues with card). I always tried to have 2000 BRL cash on hand to mitigate.
Sim: Vivo from the mall (3. 50 BRL+plan), they were really friendly even though I don't speak Porto. But definitely give yourself time as set up takes forever (and for some reason they couldn't figure out long distance) and their system went down, so I had to return the next day. Apparently this plan doesn't expire. Pay as you go.
ESim: I use Airolo (a bit expensive) for first time country visits to avoid dealing with lack of data. Backup is roaming with my telecom provider. Google FI doesn't work in CAD unfortunately (some border town folks have gotten it to work). I generally set esim on iPhone to low data mode and never really have issues.
Uber: From GRU airport to Moema, approx 75 min at noon time to Mercure Moema Privilege (30 min in the middle of the night). Only used Uber throughout the trip, pretty inexpensive, but as many have mentioned, sometimes takes a while for UberX. Use Black if in a rush.
Sao Paulo. I really liked the vibe, I guess I'm a big city kinda guy. Never felt any sort of danger, but didn't walk around late at night on my own. I enjoyed the park, all the great coffee shops and restaurants. Locals were really friendly even for my non-Porto. I always had my canned Portuguese lines and Gtranslate ready and this was never an issue.
Wingman:
I met up with WonderWhy a couple of times during the trip and I was joking that I'm not really a checklist guy, but I did try a little bit of everything (other than PA / Online GPS). Good guy to chill with and share stories.
Girls:
After going to Vivo, I started the trip at Clinica Prime (av Irai, 511). So not really having met too many Brazilian women before, I wasn't sure what to expect, as so many have mentioned the famous bunda. Like Axel mentioned also recently, I really like the ladies on the taller side and slim / natural. I wasn't disappointed, ha. Fernanda was at the desk and went over everything, and called for a presentation. There were a few other guys in and out of the lobby, so didn't feel rushed at all. There were at least 3 spinner types that I liked, but ended up going with Agatha (so hard to remember the other many names on little sleep). Guessing 5'5"/115 lbs brunette morena clara with some gravity defying "be" to "see" cups. Pretty good session, soft lips for kissing, DATY / BJ and generally pretty chill. 1 HR, 250 BRL. Clinica, check. Also could have gone with Gabriela, curly hair brunette, pretty and good service according to gp-guia (didn't do extensive research beforehand there).
Next day was checking out some sites / food and messaged WW and he happened to be staying nearby. We grabbed a drink and he took me to Tangara. Was a Saturday afternoon and it was packed, so many guys. Ended up not sessioning and WW had to meet his overnight.
Napped and around midnight headed to Casarao (R Augusta, 791). Grabbed my bar tab card (50 BRL entry) and walked around. To be honest, I haven't been in a night club environment in a long time. It was too loud in the dance floor area, but the back hall / lounge and downstairs smoking / bar / booths were more my speed. Probably 80-100 girls and lots of guys. It got pretty packed, so I just hung out on the corner just before the back lounge area to watch girls move around for a while to get a good look. Had a few girls approach, but the ladies were not aggressive. Overall I probably saw 5 girls that I was interested in that night. One pretty morena (in a spangly gymnasty outfit) only did CBJ for 500 BRL, another would only stay 3 hrs for 1000 BRL and not overnight, one tiny branca was pursued before I could get to talk to her (but didn't see her again). There was a bubbly tall moreno with big hair and energy, but she didn't really seem into me, so didn't really pursue (also has bigger T&A than I usually like).
Around 2:30 am landed on Gaby, a super slim morena from Rio (said she comes every so often for the last 2 years). She was dancing with a friend and could definitely move her hips. Had to grab her dancing and after we met, she went straight to the bar for a drink (red flag? Danced / hugged for a while with her butt up against me for quite a while with our drinks. Eventually went downstairs to talk. She wanted 600 BRL per HR (and wouldn't do overnight), ended up countering and went for 500 BRL. Now for the waiting: time lining up to exit (about 30 minutes, ended up with a 200 BRL tab), and then next door another 45 minutes of her sitting on my lap in the hotel lobby waiting for the room (50 BRL? As an aside, she was definitely more conservative than other girls (in dress and demeanor). For instance, in one of the booths downstairs, a guy with bottles literally had a girls boobs out and was massaging them pretty aggressively. In the hotel lobby, one of the girls was basically naked coming down the stairs and probably drunk / high and fell into the couple beside us. When we got to the room, cleaned up and finally time for action. She was potentially the smallest lady I have ever been with. 5'2", maybe 80-85 lbs, "be" cups, pretty smile with a nice cushy bum. I started with a massage (or rather continued as we were body to body for almost 1. 5 hrs already). Not ultra passionate, but definitely more of a massage girl experience in terms of movement (if that makes sense). Good DATY / BJ. Once she got on top, it was an amazing view and she turned on the sultry. Good session, no rush. Got back to the hotel at approx 6:30 am and I was pretty exhausted. Boate, check. It was pretty wild on the streets at 6am, but wasn't dangerous per se. Just a lot of drunken party people. I did accidentally get in the wrong Uber, luckily didn't get in a fight with the other guy ha.
Woke up super late and checked out Ibirapuera park. Some nice eye candy going on runs or other activities. There was an event going on and I couldn't get an Uber until I walked about 20 min away. Crazy traffic. Met up again with WW again at Clinica Yankin (R. Dr. Jos de Queirs Aranha, 148). This place isn't mentioned too much, but I would describe it as split into 2 halves: When you ring in, the left room is a longer room with the "reception" and a whole bunch of couches to meet the ladies during the presentation. The other half is more squarish with a bar and tables and chairs. More on this as we ended up leaving to grab food.
Seeking: Was registered for a few years, but decided to check out the membership for messaging ability. Got a discount code ($87 USD for 30 days) and fired it up a couple of weeks before landing. Thanks Steve 9696 for the no-nonsense guidance via PM (if you're into great novel / Penthouse letters, give his, DramaFree, Elvis and others' Seeking reports a read). This is all down to personal style how you like to experience the ladies. I have been to FKKs and smashed 6 girls in an evening, but definitely not my speed any more (but not due to age / fitness LOL). I definitely prefer longer dates and no rush in the bedroom w / some chemistry. There is literally something for everyone here. Obviously photos can be generous (much like agencies / online) and you have to usually take the worst angle / photo and make that your expectation. Won't go into too much mechanics as others have good guidance there. A pretty brunette branca with fake T&A wanted 2 k BRL!! For a session after some dinner / drinks, some other younger types were asking 900 BRL with some restrictions. Messaged a few really pretty negras, but didn't get that far in the conversation. I wasn't specifying too strict of a time, generally a few hours and see how things go. I ended up messaging a branca gamer / anime girl, who responded on Whatsapp when WW and I were eating (my other option was a pretty ruiva MILF). Long story short, it was a rollercoaster. Did a video chat and got a good vibe. She wanted cash (900 BRL), but also a gift and then later, eventually wanting help fixing her phone. I know this sounds crazy and most would not want to deal with this. But I went with the flow (I'll probably post a long version in the Seeking thread) and be / see she was super late (from far out of the city), we couldn't even address the phone cost estimate as I didn't commit (we got to the mall just at closing, but everything had closed hours earlier, which I figured would happen). But, I convinced her to check out a love hotel with me (and basically an overnight). As she moved the target, so did I, LOL. Seeking check, Pernoite check, love hotel, girlfriend-esque drama, check ha.
Euphoria Motel: downloaded the guiademoteis app (good map function and last minute deals, IE book just before arriving) and got a hidro room for under 200 BRL for 12 hrs. Had a slight issue checking in (because I registered under my stage name and it didn't match my passport copy haha, also make sure girl has ID). Also, the room's jacuzzi / hidro wasn't working (like an HR into it), but got switched to a smaller but functional room. It was fun to check out (they even have BDSM stuff), but we ended up sort of freezing our butts off after the action (hotel gave us an extra sheet, but no blankets available and I wasn't really planning overnight). Could have used the hair dryer WonderWhy, LOL.
Anyway, to the action. Gamer girl came dressed in a school girl outfit (conservative as I requested) with small blinking LED headphones and edgy makeup, wherever we went she got looks. 5'6", 90 lbs natural "be" cups. Great experience. Endless kissing, soft mouth BJ, DATY, digits, etc. Man, she could ride. I don't think any girl has ridden me cowgirl this long, ever. Different hip movements, varying the tempo / speed. I recall in some of the threads some guys either not being able to finish or finishing too quickly as being "problems" in this hobby. I think with Vitamin see (tadalafil), I enjoyed this never ending ride immensely. Each session, she must have rode me for at least 40 minutes straight in cowgirl with an intense stare, tons of kissing (amongst other positions), no complaints. Soft moans, she had a different sex voice for sure ha. Ended up face smashing with CIMSW. The next morning, grabbed breakfast / coffee and figured out the rest of the "deal" as we went along. Once we figured out some of the other stuff, could have cut her loose with some cash, but ended up getting her the gifts / fix phone and ended up being a 24 HR thing. No regrets, but would definitely do things differently. Even though it sounded like she was a shark, she was lovely and it was super IOP / girlfriend (her English is quite good) and went all over town to explore, drink / eat and smash more. I would probably take her to some beach area where P4 P is lacking and make a multi-day deal in the future. Or, grab another (so many options, Seeking or otherwise). Hopefully after the Porto lessons (from Mr E's youtube teacher), when I return, will be passable and be able to enjoy with more girl options.
Next day, returned to Clinica Yankin. While the lineup may not be as subjectively good as Prime, I enjoyed drinking and hanging out there. I even did work stuff. I was tempted to do a Zoom training while getting action, but even I have my limits to the shenanigans ha. Anyhow, I was enjoying hanging out with the ladies & Patricia came along and was short on battery. I had a bank and lent it to her. Morena, cute with braces, but not my fave body / type (probably 5'5", 135). She was sweet to chat with and we actually had a lot of good laughs. So the downside, she was only the 2nd girl to only offer CBJ & no DATY. Ouch. Went for a session anyway and it was it was pretty intense. Good DFK, CBJ (ok), didn't match rhythms so well on sex. So ended up doing a lot of DFK while she was stroking me and I was eventually putting my fingers everywhere. Didn't finish, but had a good time. 1 HR 190 BRL.
Overall, had a blast, was going to check out Rio for a few days with WW, but plans changed for both of us. I was actually going to go to Scandallo after one of my dinners, but life happens. Will add it to the ongoing checklist! Thanks also to Jimmy Boy 99 for getting me on the WA group for Rio (even though I couldn't make it).
Already convinced another wingman to go down, probably next winter. There are so many options day and night in Brazil, will have more action than I could possibly handle in couple of weeks.
After reading so many reports here and in the Colombia thread, Bog / MDE will probably be more layover visits than destinations for now.
F.
Wonderful report. It contained a lot to help others. I enjoyed meeting you and hope we can make it work to get together back down there again. Maybe do some touristing to other places.
Excellent and informative report of Scandallo, thank you for explaining exactly how many girls we can expect on average, what time to expect them, services requested, looks, and comparisons to other mongering places such as Dubai and Thailand. I've already been to Germany FKK Sharks and Oase, as well as Walking Street in Pattaya Thailand, and Red Square in Dubai, so I wanted to give Brazil a shot to try something new.
Your number or 150 WGs in Scandallo as well as ranking above Dubai, plus the reports I've seen of Cafe Photo and Casaro, indicates to me that my plan for SP will indeed be worth it and not regretful. Thank you again for this helpful and informative report.I haven't been to the FKKs in Germany nor walking street in Thailand but I have been to Red Square in Dubai back in 2022. Scandello will blow it out of the water. No comparison. I went to Red Square three nights and even though I found something every night, I really had to search. In Scandello, I just sat back and waited for it to come to me.
Brazilians in terms of sex and IOP can't be beat. I am sure you will enjoy your trip.
FlowState985
04-21-23, 17:26
I also went to Casarao on a Sunday night. Maybe 60 girls at midnight. Probably much more on Friday and Saturday. I didn't like it, primarily because the music was much to loud. Girls on average were a notch or two down from Scandallo. They had a girl pole dancing naked. Some guy brought his civilian bi-girlfriend, and she jumped on stage and briefly stripped. She was probably the hottest in the club. Very few if any foreigners in there, no English spoken. In the end I left empty handed. But can see how many guys would enjoy the place.I was at Casarao yesterday Thursday night. It was packed by 1 AM, and there were much more girls than guys. Quite a few looker, I ended up taking this 22 yo morena with tight body. She said she works out 5 days a week and everything is natural and felt great, and doesn't have many tattoos. I didn't really negotiated everything upfront, I just wanted her. She didn't do BBBJ and the BJ was subpar probably from lack of experience kkkk but there were plenty of kissing. Was r300/ half and r500/ HR, I took half and room for half is r50.
I was at Casarao yesterday Thursday night. It was packed by 1 AM, and there were much more girls than guys. Quite a few looker, I ended up taking this 22 yo morena with tight body. She said she works out 5 days a week and everything is natural and felt great, and doesn't have many tattoos. I didn't really negotiated everything upfront, I just wanted her. She didn't do BBBJ and the BJ was subpar probably from lack of experience kkkk but there were plenty of kissing. Was r300/ half and r500/ HR, I took half and room for half is r50.Glad you had a good time there. Much cheaper than Scandalo for sure! Sunday nights must be off nights. Also, the music is much too loud for me. Maybe I'll try it again the next time I'm in Sao Paulo.
I haven't been to the FKKs in Germany nor walking street in Thailand but I have been to Red Square in Dubai back in 2022. Scandello will blow it out of the water. No comparison. I went to Red Square three nights and even though I found something every night, I really had to search. In Scandello, I just sat back and waited for it to come to me.
Brazilians in terms of sex and IOP can't be beat. I am sure you will enjoy your trip.Completely agree with everything you said above. Red Square, FKKs, and Scandallo are roughly comparable in format, and agree that Scandallo blows the other two venues out of the water. Pattaya's topless and naked gogos is an entirely different kind of venue, so it less directly comparable.
During my trip, I meant one 23-year-old slender girl who blew my mind. She has an ordinary artistic job in Rio, and comes to Sao Paolo for one week about every six weeks. I hung out with her outside the club for two full days. She has an innocent, ordinary girl side, and also a party-animal sex-loving side. She was hyper-sensual and passionate in bed, very orgasmic. She loved to "party" before having sex. Also just full of life, passionate about music, and in general great fun to hang out with. Very hard not to have a connection and get attached to her. Much harder to have a soul connection with a Thai girl, which is maybe a good thing!
I think Brazil has Esimn service now. We can probably do everything online and sign up online.
On seeking I noticed that The older They are starting from upper 20 to like 40's They ask a lot. Like an Absurd amount.
I think that could be Blankets in one of the closets of those motels. Did you check?Brazil does have eSim, but can you point me to an online Vivo website that I can purchase to activate when landing? Tells you to go to a store. 3rd party eSims (like Airolo) are for people to avoid wasting time getting going right away and then can get local chips / esims when convenient.
Have you been to Euphoria? There are no closets. Funny fact, we couldn't even get a bottle opener (gamer girl called the desk). We ordered a blanket and they gave us a sheet.
F.
Be careful about connecting via Colombia or Panama. You have to get a yellow fever vaccine at least 72 hours before you enter either country directly from Brazil. 60 or older are exempt.
First trip to Brazil/Sao Paulo and I really enjoyed my time there. TLDR: Thanks to everyone for their reports and helpful PMs.
I didn't think I'd need to rehash some of these details, but literally a few posts down, some BMs were struggling with some practical issues. Here's how I approached them:
RTFF, I read about 100 pages of SP & Rio and the Reports of Distinction. If you have questions, probably have better ones if you sort of get what the different places are about and different BM's styles of the hobby. I wanted to get a broad view of the scene as I was solo for this one.
CPF: Took 2 business days to get it. Free and online, no reason not to get as Brazil is notorious for the difficulty in getting a SIM "chip" card w / o a CPF. No tax implications unless you become a resident or overstay (verify this info for yourself)...
Be careful about connecting via Colombia or Panama. You have to get a yellow fever vaccine at least 72 hours before you enter either country directly from Brazil. 60 or older are exempt.10 days prior to departure, not 72 hours.
I haven't been to the FKKs in Germany nor walking street in Thailand but I have been to Red Square in Dubai back in 2022. Scandello will blow it out of the water. No comparison. I went to Red Square three nights and even though I found something every night, I really had to search. In Scandello, I just sat back and waited for it to come to me.
Brazilians in terms of sex and IOP can't be beat. I am sure you will enjoy your trip.Thank you for the additional information. I also agree with your assessment of red square in Dubai, the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. It takes a lot of effort to find the gems.
I've always heard good things about SP so I'm happy my trip will be coming in a few weeks, will make a trip report as well.
Pattaya's topless and naked gogos is an entirely different kind of venue, so it less directly comparable.
I agree. I keep Thailand in its own category because it’s far different. But since you’re saying Scandallo blows German FKKs out the water (FKK sharks has about 120 WGs), that gets me really excited. Thanks for your input as well.
10 days prior to departure, not 72 hours.
Be careful about connecting via Colombia or Panama. You have to get a yellow fever vaccine at least 72 hours before you enter either country directly from Brazil. 60 or older are exempt.Thanks gents, yes agreed (readers should plan carefully) - to clarify my pie-in-the-sky plans. Would be to visit some "friends" in Bogota (I'm here for the coffee ha) on the way down. On the way back, there's a day time connecting flight via Bog (3 HR layover) which doesn't require YF that I took this trip.
From Avianca (exceptions): "Passengers with a connecting flight or cruise who are not leaving the terminal. The stay in the country must be less than 24 hours. ".
I was surmising that YF worry seems overkill, but I do eventually want to visit some other remote beaches, etc. When I saw the Brazil 2018/2019 YF campaign: 88% male cases, 23% fatality, median age in the 40's, mainly rural workers. Ouch, no joke.
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FlowState985
04-22-23, 16:53
I was at Gaugin Club yesterday. It was about 15 minute walk to the hotel so I figured to check it out. I walked in around 10 Pm and it was dead, looks like they are renovating as with the floor and surrounding a bit dirty. There were total about 7 girls with 4 already talking to customer and they weren't that great looking. I had this 32 yo white blonde from Minas Gerais came over and talked to me and since it was slow, I figured to talk to her and get more info. R180 for entry with R100 consumable, R100 for the room and the only option for girl is 1 hour. She quoted me R800 for her, but these are freelance so you can negotiate, she just doesn't do it for me with any amount so I aske for her number and said we'll meet outside. There is a menu for drinks, r35 for beer, r50 red label walker. I drank my consumable and then paid the r180 and left for Casarao. I stayed until about 12 am and about 4 more girls strolled in by then, nothing great. The girl I talked to said it's best to come Tuesday through Thursday, I guess Friday is bad and it is also National holiday.
First trip to Brazil/Sao Paulo and I really enjoyed my time there. TLDR: Thanks to everyone for their reports and helpful PMs.
I didn't think I'd need to rehash some of these details, but literally a few posts down, some BMs were struggling with some practical issues. Here's how I approached them:
RTFF, I read about 100 pages of SP & Rio and the Reports of Distinction. If you have questions, probably have better ones if you sort of get what the different places are about and different BM's styles of the hobby. I wanted to get a broad view of the scene as I was solo for this one.
CPF: Took 2 business days to get it. Free and online, no reason not to get as Brazil is notorious for the difficulty in getting a SIM "chip" card w / o a CPF. No tax implications unless you become a resident or overstay (verify this info for yourself).
Flight: coming overnight from the great white north is definitely not my preference, but I wanted to not waste time and flew direct (but likely will fly daytime connections via Colombia layovers in the future).
Airport Wifi / ATMs: Free GRU wifi for Uber (I used eSim as below), but have to watch a 20 second ad. Didn't grab cash, but lots of combo 24 HR machines (probably with high fees). Had backup USD cash on hand for emergencies (make sure crisp and clean otherwise cambios won't deal).
Hotel: Mercure SP Ibirapuera Privilege. Definitely in the flight path and noisy, but didn't bother me after a few days, although would probably stay out of "the path" (as Bearsi posted), in the future. GF friendly as far as I could tell (they mention a guest fee of approx 100 BRL, but I was able to bring a lady over directly to the elevator a few times, but she didn't stay overnight), I didn't like the included breakfast. Thanks to SocratesNY for setting me straight on the GF priority (I had initially booked a nice place but wasn't GF friendly, which is rare in SP). Decent Wifi and clean. Used self-serve laundry.
Cash / ATMs / Credit Cards: walked over to the Bradesco or Santander and they didn't give a conversion option (maybe a CAD thing), but the exchange rate was consistently 2. 5% lower than market rate. I got charged the classic 1 time fee (20 BRL) as I do anywhere that's not my bank brand. Took out 2000/2500 BRL at a time. One surprise was that 2 of my 3 CCs generally did not work anywhere. That's probably the biggest gotcha (I didn't carry all my CCs at once and the banks / CC insisted no issues with card). I always tried to have 2000 BRL cash on hand to mitigate.
Sim: Vivo from the mall (3. 50 BRL+plan), they were really friendly even though I don't speak Porto. But definitely give yourself time as set up takes forever (and for some reason they couldn't figure out long distance) and their system went down, so I had to return the next day. Apparently this plan doesn't expire. Pay as you go.
ESim: I use Airolo (a bit expensive) for first time country visits to avoid dealing with lack of data. Backup is roaming with my telecom provider. Google FI doesn't work in CAD unfortunately (some border town folks have gotten it to work). I generally set esim on iPhone to low data mode and never really have issues.
Uber: From GRU airport to Moema, approx 75 min at noon time to Mercure Moema Privilege (30 min in the middle of the night). Only used Uber throughout the trip, pretty inexpensive, but as many have mentioned, sometimes takes a while for UberX. Use Black if in a rush.
Sao Paulo. I really liked the vibe, I guess I'm a big city kinda guy. Never felt any sort of danger, but didn't walk around late at night on my own. I enjoyed the park, all the great coffee shops and restaurants. Locals were really friendly even for my non-Porto. I always had my canned Portuguese lines and Gtranslate ready and this was never an issue.
Wingman:
I met up with WonderWhy a couple of times during the trip and I was joking that I'm not really a checklist guy, but I did try a little bit of everything (other than PA / Online GPS). Good guy to chill with and share stories.
Girls:
After going to Vivo, I started the trip at Clinica Prime (av Irai, 511). So not really having met too many Brazilian women before, I wasn't sure what to expect, as so many have mentioned the famous bunda. Like Axel mentioned also recently, I really like the ladies on the taller side and slim / natural. I wasn't disappointed, ha. Fernanda was at the desk and went over everything, and called for a presentation. There were a few other guys in and out of the lobby, so didn't feel rushed at all. There were at least 3 spinner types that I liked, but ended up going with Agatha (so hard to remember the other many names on little sleep). Guessing 5'5"/115 lbs brunette morena clara with some gravity defying "be" to "see" cups. Pretty good session, soft lips for kissing, DATY / BJ and generally pretty chill. 1 HR, 250 BRL. Clinica, check. Also could have gone with Gabriela, curly hair brunette, pretty and good service according to gp-guia (didn't do extensive research beforehand there).
Next day was checking out some sites / food and messaged WW and he happened to be staying nearby. We grabbed a drink and he took me to Tangara. Was a Saturday afternoon and it was packed, so many guys. Ended up not sessioning and WW had to meet his overnight.
Napped and around midnight headed to Casarao (R Augusta, 791). Grabbed my bar tab card (50 BRL entry) and walked around. To be honest, I haven't been in a night club environment in a long time. It was too loud in the dance floor area, but the back hall / lounge and downstairs smoking / bar / booths were more my speed. Probably 80-100 girls and lots of guys. It got pretty packed, so I just hung out on the corner just before the back lounge area to watch girls move around for a while to get a good look. Had a few girls approach, but the ladies were not aggressive. Overall I probably saw 5 girls that I was interested in that night. One pretty morena (in a spangly gymnasty outfit) only did CBJ for 500 BRL, another would only stay 3 hrs for 1000 BRL and not overnight, one tiny branca was pursued before I could get to talk to her (but didn't see her again). There was a bubbly tall moreno with big hair and energy, but she didn't really seem into me, so didn't really pursue (also has bigger T&A than I usually like).
Around 2:30 am landed on Gaby, a super slim morena from Rio (said she comes every so often for the last 2 years). She was dancing with a friend and could definitely move her hips. Had to grab her dancing and after we met, she went straight to the bar for a drink (red flag? Danced / hugged for a while with her butt up against me for quite a while with our drinks. Eventually went downstairs to talk. She wanted 600 BRL per HR (and wouldn't do overnight), ended up countering and went for 500 BRL. Now for the waiting: time lining up to exit (about 30 minutes, ended up with a 200 BRL tab), and then next door another 45 minutes of her sitting on my lap in the hotel lobby waiting for the room (50 BRL? As an aside, she was definitely more conservative than other girls (in dress and demeanor). For instance, in one of the booths downstairs, a guy with bottles literally had a girls boobs out and was massaging them pretty aggressively. In the hotel lobby, one of the girls was basically naked coming down the stairs and probably drunk / high and fell into the couple beside us. When we got to the room, cleaned up and finally time for action. She was potentially the smallest lady I have ever been with. 5'2", maybe 80-85 lbs, "be" cups, pretty smile with a nice cushy bum. I started with a massage (or rather continued as we were body to body for almost 1. 5 hrs already). Not ultra passionate, but definitely more of a massage girl experience in terms of movement (if that makes sense). Good DATY / BJ. Once she got on top, it was an amazing view and she turned on the sultry. Good session, no rush. Got back to the hotel at approx 6:30 am and I was pretty exhausted. Boate, check. It was pretty wild on the streets at 6am, but wasn't dangerous per se. Just a lot of drunken party people. I did accidentally get in the wrong Uber, luckily didn't get in a fight with the other guy ha.
Woke up super late and checked out Ibirapuera park. Some nice eye candy going on runs or other activities. There was an event going on and I couldn't get an Uber until I walked about 20 min away. Crazy traffic. Met up again with WW again at Clinica Yankin (R. Dr. Jos de Queirs Aranha, 148). This place isn't mentioned too much, but I would describe it as split into 2 halves: When you ring in, the left room is a longer room with the "reception" and a whole bunch of couches to meet the ladies during the presentation. The other half is more squarish with a bar and tables and chairs. More on this as we ended up leaving to grab food.
Seeking: Was registered for a few years, but decided to check out the membership for messaging ability. Got a discount code ($87 USD for 30 days) and fired it up a couple of weeks before landing. Thanks Steve 9696 for the no-nonsense guidance via PM (if you're into great novel / Penthouse letters, give his, DramaFree, Elvis and others' Seeking reports a read). This is all down to personal style how you like to experience the ladies. I have been to FKKs and smashed 6 girls in an evening, but definitely not my speed any more (but not due to age / fitness LOL). I definitely prefer longer dates and no rush in the bedroom w / some chemistry. There is literally something for everyone here. Obviously photos can be generous (much like agencies / online) and you have to usually take the worst angle / photo and make that your expectation. Won't go into too much mechanics as others have good guidance there. A pretty brunette branca with fake T&A wanted 2 k BRL!! For a session after some dinner / drinks, some other younger types were asking 900 BRL with some restrictions. Messaged a few really pretty negras, but didn't get that far in the conversation. I wasn't specifying too strict of a time, generally a few hours and see how things go. I ended up messaging a branca gamer / anime girl, who responded on Whatsapp when WW and I were eating (my other option was a pretty ruiva MILF). Long story short, it was a rollercoaster. Did a video chat and got a good vibe. She wanted cash (900 BRL), but also a gift and then later, eventually wanting help fixing her phone. I know this sounds crazy and most would not want to deal with this. But I went with the flow (I'll probably post a long version in the Seeking thread) and be / see she was super late (from far out of the city), we couldn't even address the phone cost estimate as I didn't commit (we got to the mall just at closing, but everything had closed hours earlier, which I figured would happen). But, I convinced her to check out a love hotel with me (and basically an overnight). As she moved the target, so did I, LOL. Seeking check, Pernoite check, love hotel, girlfriend-esque drama, check ha.
Euphoria Motel: downloaded the guiademoteis app (good map function and last minute deals, IE book just before arriving) and got a hidro room for under 200 BRL for 12 hrs. Had a slight issue checking in (because I registered under my stage name and it didn't match my passport copy haha, also make sure girl has ID). Also, the room's jacuzzi / hidro wasn't working (like an HR into it), but got switched to a smaller but functional room. It was fun to check out (they even have BDSM stuff), but we ended up sort of freezing our butts off after the action (hotel gave us an extra sheet, but no blankets available and I wasn't really planning overnight). Could have used the hair dryer WonderWhy, LOL.
Anyway, to the action. Gamer girl came dressed in a school girl outfit (conservative as I requested) with small blinking LED headphones and edgy makeup, wherever we went she got looks. 5'6", 90 lbs natural "be" cups. Great experience. Endless kissing, soft mouth BJ, DATY, digits, etc. Man, she could ride. I don't think any girl has ridden me cowgirl this long, ever. Different hip movements, varying the tempo / speed. I recall in some of the threads some guys either not being able to finish or finishing too quickly as being "problems" in this hobby. I think with Vitamin see (tadalafil), I enjoyed this never ending ride immensely. Each session, she must have rode me for at least 40 minutes straight in cowgirl with an intense stare, tons of kissing (amongst other positions), no complaints. Soft moans, she had a different sex voice for sure ha. Ended up face smashing with CIMSW. The next morning, grabbed breakfast / coffee and figured out the rest of the "deal" as we went along. Once we figured out some of the other stuff, could have cut her loose with some cash, but ended up getting her the gifts / fix phone and ended up being a 24 HR thing. No regrets, but would definitely do things differently. Even though it sounded like she was a shark, she was lovely and it was super IOP / girlfriend (her English is quite good) and went all over town to explore, drink / eat and smash more. I would probably take her to some beach area where P4 P is lacking and make a multi-day deal in the future. Or, grab another (so many options, Seeking or otherwise). Hopefully after the Porto lessons (from Mr E's youtube teacher), when I return, will be passable and be able to enjoy with more girl options.
Next day, returned to Clinica Yankin. While the lineup may not be as subjectively good as Prime, I enjoyed drinking and hanging out there. I even did work stuff. I was tempted to do a Zoom training while getting action, but even I have my limits to the shenanigans ha. Anyhow, I was enjoying hanging out with the ladies & Patricia came along and was short on battery. I had a bank and lent it to her. Morena, cute with braces, but not my fave body / type (probably 5'5", 135). She was sweet to chat with and we actually had a lot of good laughs. So the downside, she was only the 2nd girl to only offer CBJ & no DATY. Ouch. Went for a session anyway and it was it was pretty intense. Good DFK, CBJ (ok), didn't match rhythms so well on sex. So ended up doing a lot of DFK while she was stroking me and I was eventually putting my fingers everywhere. Didn't finish, but had a good time. 1 HR 190 BRL.
Overall, had a blast, was going to check out Rio for a few days with WW, but plans changed for both of us. I was actually going to go to Scandallo after one of my dinners, but life happens. Will add it to the ongoing checklist! Thanks also to Jimmy Boy 99 for getting me on the WA group for Rio (even though I couldn't make it).
Already convinced another wingman to go down, probably next winter. There are so many options day and night in Brazil, will have more action than I could possibly handle in couple of weeks.
After reading so many reports here and in the Colombia thread, Bog / MDE will probably be more layover visits than destinations for now.
F.Nice one Foolish! I had similar experiences also with tge the prives in Moema. I would highly recommend everyone to stay in the area (but there is a lot of airplane noise as the airport is just 5-8 minutes away.
I lived in SP for a month and then lived in RJ for 4 months. The options in SP are endless to meet women, enjoy our hobby. RJ is non-existent in that area. But I loved the lifestyle of RJ.
If coming to Brazil just for mongering, I would say totally avoid RJ. Other cities with gorgeous women are Belo Horizonte and Florianópolis, but no mongering scene at all.
I didn't try seeking here, but I am off to London next and very tempted to try it there.
Good move on the CPF (and I also set myself up with PIX) - made things so much easier. I just plan to keep my Brazilian SIM active till my next trip which will most likely be end of year.
I was able to register a TIM chip bought from those huts through the phone without going to the store so I don't see why esim is not able to.
Brazil does have eSim, but can you point me to an online Vivo website that I can purchase to activate when landing? Tells you to go to a store. 3rd party eSims (like Airolo) are for people to avoid wasting time getting going right away and then can get local chips / esims when convenient.
Have you been to Euphoria? There are no closets. Funny fact, we couldn't even get a bottle opener (gamer girl called the desk). We ordered a blanket and they gave us a sheet.
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SocratesNY
04-23-23, 10:11
I've read quite a few recent posts regarding BMs having logistical issues in Sao Paulo so I figure I'the chime in and offer some guidance.
Debit Cards / ATMs:
The following involves my experience with big US financial institutions (Chase, Citi, TD and Schwab), so YMMV for other countries. Although friends with Western European bank accounts haven't had any issues either.
I've come to rely mostly on Bradesco and Santander ATMs INSIDE bank branches in Sao Paulo. I usually go to them in big or high-end shopping malls when possible. I've not encountered the poor ATM FX conversion rate of 2. 5% to 11% deficit that some have alluded to. It was always within less than 1% of the interbank currency rate. However, what rate you get depends on your HOME bank, not Santander or Bradesco. They do charge a R20 surcharge / ATM fee, but my banks refund them anyway. They usually have a higher withdrawal limit between R2,000 to R3,000, depending on branch location.
For other "combo" ATMs that you might find in the airport, hotel, gas station, etc. , I've seen a big range for ATM fees. Some charge a small ATM fee of R20, while others charge a PERCENTAGE of the withdrawal amount. All the way of up to 12.5% Thankfully, my banks have also refunded those ATM fee based on percentage of withdrawal. The highest one I've encountered was at the Grand Hyatt of $65 USD.
Make sure you DECLINE the currency conversion option. Sometimes the ATM would get "tricky" and ask if you want to really DECLINE the conversion and word it in such a way that you might say no. And accidentally ACCEPT the conversion. I've had it happen to a few friends. The conversion rate can be brutal and up to 15% less than the interbank currency rate. These ATMs also tend to have smaller withal limit between R500 to R1,500. I've seen a few that have a high ATM fee based on a PERCENT of withdrawal AND a high CONVERSION fee.
Finally, make sure your bank or account doesn't charge an international transaction fee. High end bank accounts usually do not. But TD and Schwab are the best at this as they don't require a high balance to refund all ATM fees, without any limit and don't charge an international transaction fee.
Credit Cards and Cash:
I've had very little issues with credit card usage in Sao Paulo. Unless the venue charged a CC fee (really only encountered that at termas, clinicas and some boates. Bamboa comes to mind!) Thankfully, Scandallo does not charge an CC fee for the club admission / consumption or the hotel and saida fee. They do charge a CC fee if you charge the girl's "gift / donation" So far I've not had any fraudulent charges on any of my 6-7 CCs I've used in Brazil (knock on wood).
It's also helpful to carry multiple credit cards, as some credit cards (Chase and Citi) have very sensitive fraud algorithms and might only work for a few days before they block all usage for Uber. Even if you tell them those charges are valid, the card stays blocked for Uber in Brazil for a few days. I've also encountered a few restaurants where the international card payment service they use sucks. I've had to pay cash after 3-4 different credit cards got declined. All different types (Visa, MC, Amex, etc.).
I also bring some emergency cash in crisp $100 USD and $100/$200 Euro notes with me. It's nice to have it around in case you don't have enough BRL and can give the girl USD / EURO, but you usually have to offer them a good exchange rate for their inconvenience or FX fee. You can also exchange cash at many local FX places in the city and get a very competitive rates (similar to Mexico, other Latin American countries and Asia). I've used a few near Av. Paulista and in big / high-end shopping malls.
It's also useful to carry a copy of your passport, whether it's photocopy or photo on your phone. I always keep my passport locked in my hotel safe.
Cellular Data:
On most of my earlier trips, I used my US carrier's international day pass. Obviously, it's expensive (usually $10 USD per day) so it's not a great option for longer visits. If you are only in town for only a few days or only use it for 1 day until you go to a store to get a local sim, it is an okay option.
I've also starting using Google Fi during trips the last year and half in Sao Paulo and it works pretty well. Coverage is usually via Vivo and I've not had too much coverage blind spots in Sao Paulo. Another neat feature about Google Fi is the ability to have multiple "data only" sims on one plan / line without extra charge. You can carry those data only sims for backup. Or you can use a data only sim on a cheap backup / hobby phone and not worry about losing your main phone.
AT&T also recently added almost all the Latin American countries as part of the higher end unlimited plans so you can use your plan's talk, text and high-speed data for free now in Brazil.
I hear T-Mobile's high end unlimited plans also comes with some international data, but I don't use T-Mobile so you have to research that yourself.
I can't comment on CPF or local physical SIM or eSIM as I've never bothered with them, but the effort sounds annoying. However, if you are in country for more than a week or two, that route is probably worth the trouble.
Speaking of eSIM, if you have that feature on your phone, it's highly recommended that you install / use an eSIM from your main local cellular provider. I've had friends who either lost their phone or had it stolen and they were able to easily get a replacement phone and install their eSIM and be quickly back up and running. It also is nice to be able to put in another physical sim (local, Google Fi, etc.) and swap between the two.
I've rarely relied on airport WIFI, but do often use hotel WIFI. I suggest you use a VPN when using any WIFI. NordVPN works great and I highly recommend them. Google FI also comes with a VPN installed.
Transportation:
I use Uber almost exclusively, but sometimes taxis are a competitive alternative if have a taxi in front of you and don't want to wait. Most taxis take CCs.
I use Uber black 75-80% of the time, as it's usually not much more than UberX. It can save you a ton of time, as UberX can take 10-20 minutes longer due to constant cancellations. I've even seen Uber Black be CHEAPER than UberX about 5-10% of the time. But usually, Uber Black is just a 10-20% markup when compared to UberX and I rather have my 10-20 min back!
If you aren't going too far, METERED taxi (which is 95% of the ones I've encountered) are competitive in pricing vs. Uber. I've taken taxis many times when I don't want to wait for an Uber, usually to / from Scandallo to restaurants / hotel in the Jardins, Itam Bibi, Pinhieros and Murumbi areas and the cost were the same or less than Uber.
Taxis also have the option of going on some "taxi only lanes", which can cut down on travel time, especially around Av. Paulista, which is great for avoiding traffic.
I've taken a heli-taxi one time from airport to my hotel and it was crazy expensive. You would think with so many freaking helicopters in Sao Paulo, there would be a market for cheaper helicopter taxi services. Thankfully, that ride wasn't on my own dime. You also have passenger and luggage weight restrictions if you go that route.
GF Hotel:
99% of hotels in Sao Paulo are girl friendly.
If you intend to host a girl at your hotel, book your room for 2 adult guests. Brazilian hotels often charge a lower rate due to occupancy. You can save R30-50 when booking for 1 guest vs. 2 guests. But then they will charge you a R100 to R150 "guest fee".
Some hotel night reception will still try to charge you a "guest fee" when you bring a girl back after 9/10 pm. Even if your reservation is for 2 or more guests. They either try to swindle your as they mark you for a monger or just presume you booked for 1 guest. The few times I've had this happen, I pushed back politely that my reservation is for 2 or more guests, they have apologized and relented and just made me register the girl (s) as my 2nd or 3rd guest.
SocratesNY
04-23-23, 10:13
From my last 3-4 trips, I've been at Scandallo every day they were open. From my observations, I would guess the normal number of girls in attendance would be approximately.
Note: (NA = wasn't there during that time):
Monday: before 6 pm 20-40,6 to 10 pm 50-80, after 10 pm NA.
Tuesday: before 6 pm NA, 6 to 10 pm 75-125, after 10 pm 150+.
Wednesday: before 6 pm 40-60,6 to 10 pm 85-150, after 10 pm 175+ (250+ on special live musical guest nights).
Thursday: before 6 pm 40-60,6 to 10 pm 85-150, after 10 pm 175+.
Friday: before 6 pm 30-50,6 to 10 pm 75-125, after 10 pm 150+.
Saturday: before 6 pm NA, 6 to 10 pm 60-100, after 10 pm 125+.
Often times they have special life musical guests (Usually on Wednesdays), usually popular local Brazilian bands or international DJs. On those nights, admission / consumption can be higher and the total can be up to R800! They also charge a R500 fee to get a table in the "disco" area where the band plays. On those special nights, I've seen 250+ girls and tons of guys. Taking a girl up to the room or taking a girl for a "saida" out of the club can result in 10-15 minutes wait on line at the hotel / saida cashier!
As beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the following is just MY PERSONAL OPINION. I generally agree with the Western and East Asian standard of beauty. I like the type of girls you generally see in Vogue, Victoria's Secrets, old SI Swimsuit Issues before they became "inclusive" or girls on high fashion billboards for LV, Hermes, Gucci and the like.
Therefore, my tastes lean toward the tall, skinny, girls with a flat stomach (doesn't need a 6 pack), long shapely legs, beautiful face, eye and smile. I am not a breast man, but prefer a nice be-see cup and don't need a big bunda, but like at least a firm bubble butt that fits their frame.
Even though I prefer tall girls, I also like a petite spinner sometimes. I also like curvy girls occasionally, as long as they have a hour glass figure with thin waist and their dimensions are proportional. I also usually prefer younger women age 29 and under.
My taste is a bit wide-ranging. It can go from a runway model to a more busty VS Vixen to a SI Swimsuit cover model to a K-pop / Asian movie star to a Telenovela actress. I also like girls of all races, hair and eye coloring, as long as they fit the above. It just depends on my mood and also our chemistry when I chat them up.
I DO NOT like muffin tops, thick thighs or cellulite around the ass / thighs. Slutty, US Porn Star look, with fake lips, tits and ass also does not really interest me.
Based on my preferences, I feel on a pure OPTICS level, I think Scandallo beats all the options in.
1) Brazil (all other venues in Sao Paulo and everything in Rio de Janeiro).
2) Western European FKKs (Globe / Aphrodisia in Zurich, Sharks / Oase in Frankfurt, Goldentime, Living Room, Oceans and Samya in NWR).
3) Madrid clubs (Vive and Pigmallion).
4) Tijuana (HK Club).
5) Thailand (The Pimp in Bangkok, clubs on / near Soi 11 like Insanity, gogos in Nana / Cowboy and Walking Street gogos in Pattaya).
6) Jakarta (both Malio Hotel and Maliboro Club, Classic, King's Castle, and CJ's).
7) Hong Kong (Wan Chai FL clubs and strip clubs).
I've been to all of those other venues within the last 3-4 years, often multiple times. The QUANITY, QUALITY and VARIETY, in terms of height, shape, size (I've also seen a few "little people" at Scandallo), ethnicity, and looks (innocent, cute, model pretty, slutty, sensual, etc.), in Scandallo is unrivalled.
On any given night, you can find a hot girl with Caucasian, Irish / Scottish, Germanic, Latina, Western European, Eastern European, Slavik, Asian, Mulatto, and Black Features.
On a "classy" level, I also feel Scandallo wins out. You are more likely to find professional working models, artists, professionals, graduate students, higher-end sugar babies, etc. At Scandallo than those other venues. The club is also very posh and upscale, with a large selection of top shelf liquor and a nice restaurant offering varied cuisine, as well as a good sushi bar.
I understand some of the above venues are different in terms of setup, but at the end of the day, they all have a few things in common that I find useful and important:
1) You see the girls in the person (and in some of the other venues, totally in the flesh!
2) You have the option of buying them a drink and chatting them up and vet them.
3) It's basically a point and shoot situation, as few will turn you down outright, but a few still might do so.
Some might find it more challenging to go to Brazil. Some might prefer a cheaper venue. Some might prefer a venue that has a higher percentage of darker skinned girls. Some might prefer a venue with mostly "trashier / sluttier" girls (although plenty of those in Scandallo too! Some might prefer a venue where negotiating on the "gift / donation" for the girl is less of an issue. Some might prefer a venue where more girls speak English, German, etc.
Not everyone will agree with my sentiments and that's okay. Different strokes for different folks.
For me, Scandallo is the best one stop shopping for hot P4 P action, especially if you have the funds to spend and it isn't logistically too challenging for you to get there compared to the other options.
You keep crisp euro and dollar bank notes in 100 denomination to give to girls if you run out of reales?
I've read quite a few recent posts regarding BMs having logistical issues in Sao Paulo so I figure I'the chime in and offer some guidance.
Debit Cards / ATMs:
The following involves my experience with big US financial institutions (Chase, Citi, TD and Schwab), so YMMV for other countries. Although friends with Western European bank accounts haven't had any issues either.
I've come to rely mostly on Bradesco and Santander ATMs INSIDE bank branches in Sao Paulo. I usually go to them in big or high-end shopping malls when possible. I've not encountered the poor ATM FX conversion rate of 2. 5% to 11% deficit that some have alluded to. It was always within less than 1% of the interbank currency rate. However, what rate you get depends on your HOME bank, not Santander or Bradesco. They do charge a R20 surcharge / ATM fee, but my banks refund them anyway. They usually have a higher withdrawal limit between R2,000 to R3,000, depending on branch location..
SocratesNY, Thank you once again for an excellent summary of Scandallo. My tastes in women are almost identical to yours, although tall is less of a factor. It was because of your earlier reports, I flew from Canada to Sao Paulo to check out Scandallo for myself. It was not cheap, but it was certainly worth it. I took five girls to my hotel room. One of the girls I had an amazing connection and sex with, and spent two full days with her. Thank you again for all you have been saying about Scandallo.
That having been said, if I could only choose to go to either Pattaya or Sao Paulo, I would choose Pattaya. It is easier to connect with a Scandallo girl since the language and culture is closer to what we are used to. And as you say, the club is class, and quantity and variety of girls is superb. But Walking Street Pattaya has many more girls. In the new club XS, there are 100 girls alone. There are probably over 500 girls dancing in the Walking Street gogos on any given night when taken together. The gogos have different styles too. Some are smaller and very hands on (Windmill, Dollhouse), and some are bigger and more restrained. But for me the main thing Pattaya has over Sao Paulo is that it is so safe. You can walk around anywhere in Pattaya at any time of night and not have to worry about anything. Pattaya also has great international food as well as delicious Thai food. There are also more things to do in Pattaya besides mongering, and it is easy to get around. It is a much more relaxing destination on the whole.
Going forward, I'll be visiting both Pattaya and Scandallo.
From my last 3-4 trips, I've been at Scandallo every day they were open. From my observations, I would guess the normal number of girls in attendance would be approximately.
Note: (NA = wasn't there during that time):
Monday: before 6 pm 20-40,6 to 10 pm 50-80, after 10 pm NA.
Tuesday: before 6 pm NA, 6 to 10 pm 75-125, after 10 pm 150+.
Wednesday: before 6 pm 40-60,6 to 10 pm 85-150, after 10 pm 175+ (250+ on special live musical guest nights).
Thursday: before 6 pm 40-60,6 to 10 pm 85-150, after 10 pm 175+.
Friday: before 6 pm 30-50,6 to 10 pm 75-125, after 10 pm 150+.
Saturday: before 6 pm NA, 6 to 10 pm 60-100, after 10 pm 125+..
SocratesNY
04-23-23, 20:06
You keep crisp euro and dollar bank notes in 100 denomination to give to girls if you run out of reales?Sounds almost like a trolling posrlt, but I will reply as if it was not.
I keep crisp new notes for FX exchange. They often reject those with any deformities or are old.
I also carry 50's, 20's, 10's, 5's even 2 dollar bills. I am a walking ATM.
But on a few occasions I had agreed to paying a girl R1,000 for an 12 HR overnight and I didn't have enough BRL on so offered to either go to ATM in the morning or give her $200 USD (exchange rate was 5. 15) and they all chose the USD for the convenience. I lost R30 in exchange.
Pipe Layer99
04-23-23, 23:43
Sounds almost like a trolling posrlt, but I will reply as if it was not.
I keep crisp new notes for FX exchange. They often reject those with any deformities or are old.
..But on a few occasions I had agreed to paying a girl R1,000 for an 12 HR overnight and I didn't have enough BRL on so offered to either go to ATM in the morning or give her $200 USD (exchange rate was 5. 15) and they all chose the USD for the convenience. I lost R30 in exchange.That's right man. That's how you do it. Especially when you run out of reais. I did it in both SP and Rio and even in Thailand. About 10 years ago in Rio, it was my last full day. I went out walking around, stopped at a lunch place near the beach for a beer. Saw a good looking lady and called out to her. We talked and since I didn't have a hotel room, we went to that short time hotel that was back near Miguel Lemos and NS Copa. Got to the room and she wanted money up front. Of course I told her I pay after. I showed her the hundred dollar bill and said she can have it after we finish. She was a little skeptical but I showed her the exchange rate. Win Win. The EX rate was about 2. 2 to 1 back then. Man, let me tell you. She gave the best performance. Great sex with mirrors everywhere. After the first session, we talk and laugh and touch, then on to round two when I was ready. She did it again. That was one of THE BEST sessions ever.
SocratesNY
04-24-23, 00:11
I was at Gaugin Club yesterday. It was about 15 minute walk to the hotel so I figured to check it out. I walked in around 10 Pm and it was dead, looks like they are renovating as with the floor and surrounding a bit dirty. There were total about 7 girls with 4 already talking to customer and they weren't that great looking. I had this 32 yo white blonde from Minas Gerais came over and talked to me and since it was slow, I figured to talk to her and get more info. R180 for entry with R100 consumable, R100 for the room and the only option for girl is 1 hour. She quoted me R800 for her, but these are freelance so you can negotiate, she just doesn't do it for me with any amount so I aske for her number and said we'll meet outside. There is a menu for drinks, r35 for beer, r50 red label walker. I drank my consumable and then paid the r180 and left for Casarao. I stayed until about 12 am and about 4 more girls strolled in by then, nothing great. The girl I talked to said it's best to come Tuesday through Thursday, I guess Friday is bad and it is also National holiday.Sad to hear it was a dud. Was contemplating checking it out on my next visit.
Thanks for the report.
BigButtDetecto
04-24-23, 03:50
Be careful about connecting via Colombia or Panama. You have to get a yellow fever vaccine at least 72 hours before you enter either country directly from Brazil. 60 or older are exempt.Do you need to fill out Checkmig form when you just transit trough Colombia?
Wayne Roberts
04-24-23, 11:54
SocratesNY, Thank you once again for an excellent summary of Scandallo. My tastes in women are almost identical to yours, although tall is less of a factor. It was because of your earlier reports, I flew from Canada to Sao Paulo to check out Scandallo for myself. It was not cheap, but it was certainly worth it. I took five girls to my hotel room. One of the girls I had an amazing connection and sex with, and spent two full days with her. Thank you again for all you have been saying about Scandallo.
That having been said, if I could only choose to go to either Pattaya or Sao Paulo, I would choose Pattaya. It is easier to connect with a Scandallo girl since the language and culture is closer to what we are used to. And as you say, the club is class, and quantity and variety of girls is superb. But Walking Street Pattaya has many more girls. In the new club XS, there are 100 girls alone. There are probably over 500 girls dancing in the Walking Street gogos on any given night when taken together..I have spent a ton of time in Pattaya. Comparing the whole of Pattaya to Scandallo does a huge disservice to Sao Paulo, the scene there is massive. Its one club in a city full of world class options. Scandallo is like Insomnia, the largest freelancer club.
The quality of the women in Brazil smokes Thailand, its not close. Then when you consider performance, its an even bigger gap. There are some beautiful Thai women, but on average its a different league in Brazil.
Price wise, Scandallo is on the top end and not cheap but the quality is insane. Not just the women, everything about that club is world class. Nothing in Pattaya would match it, and while the high end gentlemen's clubs in Bangkok would push places like Bomboa there is nothing like Scandallo there either. Price wise in BKK these clubs will set you back the same though, easily. Same goes for Thailand as a whole, the cost of sex is not much lower than Brazil anymore and I would say its actually on par.
Don't get me wrong, I have had an amazing time in Pattaya over the years and will still visit. Its great for golf, the hotel options are amazing, a lot of good restaurants, and the best thing about is that everything is concentrated in a few walkable areas, so I can understand the appeal of that compared to Sao Paulo and even Rio. But unless you want to spend all day drinking, it gets old quickly. 4-5 days is plenty in that place, and to be honest its a bit of a dump.
Do you need to fill out Checkmig form when you just transit trough Colombia?If you will go thru immigration in Colombia, then you will need it. If you are flying Avianca, they may do it for you. I flied Avianca, for some reason, I wasn't asked for checkmig or YF certificate.
That's right man. That's how you do it. Especially when you run out of reais. ....I did it last time last year but it's after I just landed. The girl showed up before I had a chance to get enough cash. I had everything with me at that moment so I didn't want the girl around. I paid her in USD which is more than twice I usually paid her because I know her rent was due the next day. This girl did not contact me again for a week before her money ran out. LOL.
Holy crap, 10 days is much more than I imagined. Somebody could really be stitched up over that. Information is power.
Thanks gents, yes agreed (readers should plan carefully) - to clarify my pie-in-the-sky plans. Would be to visit some "friends" in Bogota (I'm here for the coffee ha) on the way down. On the way back, there's a day time connecting flight via Bog (3 HR layover) which doesn't require YF that I took this trip.
From Avianca (exceptions): "Passengers with a connecting flight or cruise who are not leaving the terminal. The stay in the country must be less than 24 hours. ".
I was surmising that YF worry seems overkill, but I do eventually want to visit some other remote beaches, etc. When I saw the Brazil 2018/2019 YF campaign: 88% male cases, 23% fatality, median age in the 40's, mainly rural workers. Ouch, no joke..
I have spent a ton of time in Pattaya. Comparing the whole of Pattaya to Scandallo does a huge disservice to Sao Paulo, the scene there is massive. Its one club in a city full of world class options. Scandallo is like Insomnia, the largest freelancer club.
The quality of the women in Brazil smokes Thailand, its not close. Then when you consider performance, its an even bigger gap. There are some beautiful Thai women, but on average its a different league in Brazil.
Price wise, Scandallo is on the top end and not cheap but the quality is insane. Not just the women, everything about that club is world class. Nothing in Pattaya would match it, and while the high end gentlemen's clubs in Bangkok would push places like Bomboa there is nothing like Scandallo there either. Price wise in BKK these clubs will set you back the same though, easily. Same goes for Thailand as a whole, the cost of sex is not much lower than Brazil anymore and I would say its actually on par.
Don't get me wrong, I have had an amazing time in Pattaya over the years and will still visit. Its great for golf, the hotel options are amazing, a lot of good restaurants, and the best thing about is that everything is concentrated in a few walkable areas, so I can understand the appeal of that compared to Sao Paulo and even Rio. But unless you want to spend all day drinking, it gets old quickly. 4-5 days is plenty in that place, and to be honest its a bit of a dump.Bangkok and Pattaya always seemed like Sexual Disneyland to me. A Western male kind of goes there for one reason. That's not a criticism. That's just an observation.
I think some members like just posting up in one location and having everything in one place. Perhaps they also wanted a beach. Before the Help Disco in Rio was closed, Copacabana offered all that.
We're kind of trying to compare a lot of different variables. The aesthetic of Asian beauty versus the more diverse Brazilian looks with some strong Latin and Black influences. Then you have to ask do you want a beach and outdoor activities.
Don't get me wrong. Sao Paulo is a world-class city and draws many of the hottest women from all over Brazil.
Wayne Roberts
04-25-23, 07:13
Bangkok and Pattaya always seemed like Sexual Disneyland to me. A Western male kind of goes there for one reason. That's not a criticism. That's just an observation.
I think some members like just posting up in one location and having everything in one place. Perhaps they also wanted a beach. Before the Help Disco in Rio was closed, Copacabana offered all that.
We're kind of trying to compare a lot of different variables. The aesthetic of Asian beauty versus the more diverse Brazilian looks with some strong Latin and Black influences. Then you have to ask do you want a beach and outdoor activities.
Don't get me wrong. Sao Paulo is a world-class city and draws many of the hottest women from all over Brazil.I think there are a few countries that come out tops when it comes to our hobby, and its not hard to put together a top 5 that anyone could make an argument for. Thailand is Disneyland for men sure, but like every destination it has its place. Arguments could be made for Germany, Philippines or Colombia too I am sure. Most of the top destinations are going to offer something that the other places won't or can't, and then we all have our personal preferences on top.
Thailand should be compared to Brazil as a whole though. Pattaya and Bangkok should be compared to Rio and SP. Clubs should be compared to clubs. Not to get territorial or overly autistic at all, I just think that given a lot of people would be seeking information on where to plan a holiday and many have limited time with long flights, its important to be fair in these comparisons. I also think that a lot has changed post Covid, and a lot of guys are getting back on planes and planning their first trips, but the situation on the ground is quite different now and if people are relaying older information then its not going to be that accurate right now.
I can say that things in Thailand post Covid are not good at all. Prices are up, service quality is down and girl quality is abysmal it has never been this bad. There might be a few thousand girls to choose from on Walking Street in Pattaya right now, but:
The quality is bad and you are hunting for diamonds.
The top Gogos have hoovered up all the good looking girls, competition for girls is immense now.
The top gogos have drink minimums on top of large bar fines now. High salaries means girls need to sell drinks.
Bar fines are up. They don't want the girls leaving with customers, they want you there drinking to cover salary overhead.
Average total cost is going to be 1500-2000 BRL when you are done and dusted at the better gogos now. This is Pattaya, not Bangkok! These are not just Walking Street prices, this is LK Metro too.
The freelancer clubs are picking up, but rates are up too given rising gogo rates which are resetting the market. Expect to pay between 500 and 750 BRL for a club **** at around 2 am if she is a looker.
Knock shops and beer bars are Clinica prices for a session, and we are swimming in the gutters at this point you might as well be going to VM.
Freelancers off dating apps are the same stock as beer bars and knock shops mostly, similar pricing.
The exclusive BKK gents clubs are not 20 k-30 k baht by the time you are finished. Thats 3500 BRL. Thats what you should be comparting to the clubs in SP. The women in those clubs are the best Thailand has to offer at a price.
ThisOneFs1
04-25-23, 15:15
Hi,
I visited Sao Paulo 2 weeks back and had a wonderful time in the city. Checked 70 pages and it had ton of information. Here is my experience in SP.
1. ATM. Bradesco does not charge any foreign transaction fees. Santander charged 23 R for 1000 R withdrawal which was reimbursed by Charles Schwab.
2. Google fi worked perfectly fine.
3. Google translator esp conversation mode was the life savior.
4. Uber was perfect and no issues with any trip.
5. Well received in all Clinicas and in other places of the city. Do problem with Indian ethnicity.
Brooklin Massagens. Visited twice. Andressa is little bulky with Silicone. Very good service and GFE. Yumi perfect body and good service. 330 R.
Prime. Very friendly receptionists. Even the guys hanging out there helped me translate. Took Andressa and great service. 250 R.
Enjoy Spa. Visited twice. 6 8 girls and could not remember their names. Receptionist speaks very good Eng and was helpful by showing photos in phone. Thania. Very good service (best in my lifetime). Livia not a great looker but ok service. No choice as no one else was available. 250 R.
Abbobarra. Tons of girls. May be 15-20. More than 10 were really good. Tough choice to pick. Went with Samantha. Great looker but mediocre service. 350 R.
Tangara. Very old rooms compared to all clinicas. Took Sara. Silicone and mediocre service. 140 R 30 m.
Miruna. Enjoy, miruna and abbobara are walkable. Had only 3 girls and was not impressed.
Could not visit Scandello or Casarao as I had work till late evening and was tired to spend time till 2 am. That's the only regret.
Wonderful city and can't wait to come back again. I have been to Pattaya, HK, Macau. But the quality of SP girls beats everyone and cheaper than HK / Macau.
Thanks for all the info esp SocratesNY and Gabbarsing.
Hi,
I visited Sao Paulo 2 weeks back and had a wonderful time in the city. Checked 70 pages and it had ton of information. Here is my experience in SP.
1. ATM. Bradesco does not charge any foreign transaction fees. Santander charged 23 R for 1000 R withdrawal which was reimbursed by Charles Schwab.
2. Google fi worked perfectly fine.
3. Google translator esp conversation mode was the life savior.
4. Uber was perfect and no issues with any trip.
5. Well received in all Clinicas and in other places of the city. Do problem with Indian ethnicity.
Brooklin Massagens. Visited twice. Andressa is little bulky with Silicone. Very good service and GFE. Yumi perfect body and good service. 330 R.
Prime. Very friendly receptionists. Even the guys hanging out there helped me translate. Took Andressa and great service. 250 R.
Enjoy Spa. Visited twice. 6 8 girls and could not remember their names. Receptionist speaks very good Eng and was helpful by showing photos in phone. Thania. Very good service (best in my lifetime). Livia not a great looker but ok service. No choice as no one else was available. 250 R.
Abbobarra. Tons of girls. May be 15-20. More than 10 were really good. Tough choice to pick. Went with Samantha. Great looker but mediocre service. 350 R.
Tangara. Very old rooms compared to all clinicas. Took Sara. Silicone and mediocre service. 140 R 30 m.
Miruna. Enjoy, miruna and abbobara are walkable. Had only 3 girls and was not impressed.Thanks for the post. Any information on where to convert USD to Real with decent exchange rate?
The Critic
04-26-23, 04:36
Hi,
I visited Sao Paulo 2 weeks back and had a wonderful time in the city. Checked 70 pages and it had ton of information. Here is my experience in SP.Good to hear that by reading past forum 70 pages (RTFF) revealed useful information that aided your trip experience. Good to read you had a good time in SP.
Very good straight to the point report with detailed useful information. Hopefully, on your next trip you can patronize Scandello or Casarao and report on your experiences.
I think there are a few countries that come out tops when it comes to our hobby, and its not hard to put together a top 5 that anyone could make an argument for. Thailand is Disneyland for men sure, but like every destination it has its place. Arguments could be made for Germany, Philippines or Colombia too I am sure. Most of the top destinations are going to offer something that the other places won't or can't, and then we all have our personal preferences on top.
Thailand should be compared to Brazil as a whole though. Pattaya and Bangkok should be compared to Rio and SP. Clubs should be compared to clubs. Not to get territorial or overly autistic at all, I just think that given a lot of people would be seeking information on where to plan a holiday and many have limited time with long flights, its important to be fair in these comparisons. I also think that a lot has changed post Covid, and a lot of guys are getting back on planes and planning their first trips, but the situation on the ground is quite different now and if people are relaying older information then its not going to be that accurate right now.
Don't get me wrong, I had an amazing time with the Scandallo girls, and I hope to return soon. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like spinners and I abhor fake asses. I went to Scandallo, Castarao, and many of the clinicas, so I have a sense on what is on offer in SP. I agree that quality has dropped some in Thailand post-COVID, but for me the quality of the average Pattaya gogo girl still easily beats the average SP girl, because almost all the Pattaya gogo girls are spinners. But don't get me wrong, I thought Scandallo was great, and much more enjoyable than the FKKs, which is more of a wham-bam-thank-you-mam experience.
There is one important thing that is missing in your analysis: safety. Here there is a major difference. Pattaya (and Bangkok) is so much safer than Sao Paulo. You can walk around anywhere, anytime and not worry about getting mugged. This makes the environment much more relaxing and enjoyable. I would go to SP strictly to visit Scandallo and Balboa, since Castarao and the clinicas do not have enough spinners for me. I don't see what else there is to do in SP besides going to Scandallo and Balboa. SP is strictly a mongering destination for me. In Pattaya, there is more to do, great food, and most importantly it is much more relaxing due to the safety factor.
Safety, spinners, and topless gogos weigh heavily in my ranking.
To each his own. We both like SP and Pattaya. Taking all the factors together, you prefer SP. I prefer Pattaya. But we will both be visiting both in the future.
Thanks for the post. Any information on where to convert USD to Real with decent exchange rate?If you are staying in Jardim Paulistsa, I used Seattle Tourism last time and I got a pretty decent rate that was close to central bank rate. I don't remember what the difference was exactly but I will change this Friday and will report back the rate.
Don't get me wrong, I had an amazing time with the Scandallo girls, and I hope to return soon. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like spinners and I abhor fake asses. I went to Scandallo, Castarao, and many of the clinicas, so I have a sense on what is on offer in SP. I agree that quality has dropped some in Thailand post-COVID, but for me the quality of the average Pattaya gogo girl still easily beats the average SP girl, because almost all the Pattaya gogo girls are spinners. But don't get me wrong, I thought Scandallo was great, and much more enjoyable than the FKKs, which is more of a wham-bam-thank-you-mam experience.
There is one important thing that is missing in your analysis: safety. Here there is a major difference. Pattaya (and Bangkok) is so much safer than Sao Paulo. You can walk around anywhere, anytime and not worry about getting mugged. This makes the environment much more relaxing and enjoyable. I would go to SP strictly to visit Scandallo and Balboa, since Castarao and the clinicas do not have enough spinners for me. I don't see what else there is to do in SP besides going to Scandallo and Balboa. SP is strictly a mongering destination for me. In Pattaya, there is more to do, great food, and most importantly it is much more relaxing due to the safety factor.
Safety, spinners, and topless gogos weigh heavily in my ranking.
To each his own. We both like SP and Pattaya. Taking all the factors together, you prefer SP. I prefer Pattaya. But we will both be visiting both in the future.Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. For me Brazilian women are leaps and bounds hotter than Thais, amazing fit and luscious bodies hands down no question. Also much better service to be got from Brasileiras. However, for everything else its Thailand over Brazil. The environment is much more conducive to a comfortable, enjoyable and relaxing time which for me as I get older is becoming as important as mongering. In my younger days I would have rated Brazil over Thailand overall but now I'd give Thailand a slight edge.
I would go to SP strictly to visit Scandallo and Balboa, since Castarao and the clinicas do not have enough spinners for me. To each his own. We both like SP and Pattaya. Taking all the factors together, you prefer SP. I prefer Pattaya. But we will both be visiting both in the future.You would go to Sao Paulo strictly to visit "Balboa"? Well, he seems like a nice guy he does LMAO! And who is "Castarao" LOL! Yes, to each his own. And for me Thailand could never ever be better than Brazil because for me from the optics standpoint those little flat ass, flat chested Thai girls can't hold a candle to a banging Braziliera's curvy body! Yes, to each his own!
ATM machines, if you have a pile of USD cash at home then deposit it in your bank before you leave so you can withdraw as needed at the most competitive rate. You will rarely match that rate at any currency exchange. Especially not in an airport.
Thanks for the post. Any information on where to convert USD to Real with decent exchange rate?
There is one important thing that is missing in your analysis: safety. Here there is a major difference. Pattaya (and Bangkok) is so much safer than Sao Paulo. You can walk around anywhere, anytime and not worry about getting mugged. This makes the environment much more relaxing and enjoyable.
In Pattaya, there is more to do, great food, and most importantly it is much more relaxing due to the safety factor.
Safety, spinners, and topless gogos weigh heavily in my ranking..CanadaWet, just curious. Other than statistics, why do you feel unsafe in SP? Did something happen? As a fellow Canuck, I felt zero issues while in SP for a week solo, daytime or nightime. And I have been to Thailand.
And what type of food do you eat? SP has many more world class restaurants, bars, coffee shops, etc than Pattaya.
I know there are lots reports of pickpocketing and the like in Rio in Copa, but after reading 100's of pages in this thread, haven't really heard too much that SP is something to worry about. While Colombia CTG / MDE / BOG is totally different.
F.
Steve 9696
04-27-23, 02:16
CanadaWet, just curious. Other than statistics, why do you feel unsafe in SP? Did something happen? As a fellow Canuck, I felt zero issues while in SP for a week solo, daytime or nightime. And I have been to Thailand.
And what type of food do you eat? SP has many more world class restaurants, bars, coffee shops, etc than Pattaya.
I know there are lots reports of pickpocketing and the like in Rio in Copa, but after reading 100's of pages in this thread, haven't really heard too much that SP is something to worry about. While Colombia CTG / MDE / BOG is totally different.
F.My Uber was held up at gunpoint on way to airport at night stalled in traffic. So yeah think that qualifies as not too safe.
It really depends on where you are. There's no big city that is considered safe in the world in comparison to smaller cities. It's just a characteristic of urbanization. Tokyo Japan might have lower crime than other big cities but if you compare it to other smaller cities and Japan then it's a lot higher rate. The West zone is safer than the E-Zone in Sao Paulo so I would stay there where there is a lower risk of crime.
Leave the poor wet Canadian alone! That's just the way of how they pronounce it in Canadia.
You would go to Sao Paulo strictly to visit "Balboa"? Well, he seems like a nice guy he does LMAO! And who is "Castarao" LOL! Yes, to each his own. And for me Thailand could never ever be better than Brazil because for me from the optics standpoint those little flat ass, flat chested Thai girls can't hold a candle to a banging Braziliera's curvy body! Yes, to each his own!
I don't think scandalo is that great either. I enjoy the club more than the girls there because that place only attracts a certain type of girls and not a lot stay there for long. It has a very very very high turnover rate. Especially now that the prices for them increase to 300 to enter, they are now charging or asking more than before to make it worth it for them to come. Also by increasing the client entrance fee, it also decreases the amount of customers that they see at night. Before, a girl told me that she was able to see multiple clients at night but now it's about just one therefore inflation at this club is a lot higher for everyone. A lot of the girls who were regulars before have now gone somewhere else.
Don't get me wrong, I had an amazing time with the Scandallo girls, and I hope to return soon. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like spinners and I abhor fake asses. I went to Scandallo, Castarao, and many of the clinicas, so I have a sense on what is on offer in SP. I agree that quality has dropped some in Thailand post-COVID, but for me the quality of the average Pattaya gogo girl still easily beats the average SP girl, because almost all the Pattaya gogo girls are spinners. But don't get me wrong, I thought Scandallo was great, and much more enjoyable than the FKKs, which is more of a wham-bam-thank-you-mam experience.
There is one important thing that is missing in your analysis: safety. Here there is a major difference. Pattaya (and Bangkok) is so much safer than Sao Paulo. You can walk around anywhere, anytime and not worry about getting mugged. This makes the environment much more relaxing and enjoyable. I would go to SP strictly to visit Scandallo and Balboa, since Castarao and the clinicas do not have enough spinners for me. I don't see what else there is to do in SP besides going to Scandallo and Balboa. SP is strictly a mongering destination for me. In Pattaya, there is more to do, great food, and most importantly it is much more relaxing due to the safety factor.
Safety, spinners, and topless gogos weigh heavily in my ranking.
To each his own. We both like SP and Pattaya. Taking all the factors together, you prefer SP. I prefer Pattaya. But we will both be visiting both in the future.
Wayne Roberts
04-27-23, 06:08
I don't think scandalo is that great either. I enjoy the club more than the girls there because that place only attracts a certain type of girls and not a lot stay there for long. It has a very very very high turnover rate. Especially now that the prices for them increase to 300 to enter, they are now charging or asking more than before to make it worth it for them to come. Also by increasing the client entrance fee, it also decreases the amount of customers that they see at night. Before, a girl told me that she was able to see multiple clients at night but now it's about just one therefore inflation at this club is a lot higher for everyone. A lot of the girls who were regulars before have now gone somewhere else.Which clubs are they going to?
All,
Quick question. I just spent 10 days in Rio and several of the girls told me that they leave in early May and do not return until late September / October due to weather and lack of clients. Other mongers told me that RJ is not really worth visiting during the off months due to so many fewer girls. My question is, does SP have seasonality in terms of # of girls in the same way as RJ? My guess if 'no' due to it being a mega global city with constant business visitors, unlike RJ, but thought I'd check. Even when I'm dating in the US I notice that there are more women on apps during the summer than winter, at least in cities with seasons like Chicago and New York.
-Chicago.
All,
Quick question. I just spent 10 days in Rio and several of the girls told me that they leave in early May and do not return until late September / October due to weather and lack of clients. Other mongers told me that RJ is not really worth visiting during the off months due to so many fewer girls. My question is, does SP have seasonality in terms of # of girls in the same way as RJ? My guess if 'no' due to it being a mega global city with constant business visitors, unlike RJ, but thought I'd check. Even when I'm dating in the US I notice that there are more women on apps during the summer than winter, at least in cities with seasons like Chicago and New York..The first time I went to Sao Paulo it was during their winter months (summertime up here) and I swore that I would never go down there again at that time of year. It wasn't because of a dearth of talent. Oh no, that wasn't it at all! I had a blast, but I really didn't like the chilly weather, especially because my hotel lacked adequate climate control (among other problems like being in the airport's flight path). So, I would say that as long as the cool weather won't be a bother to you just don't worry about it. It's a huge city with plenty (lots) of girls "on the stroll" year-round.
Stinky Squid
04-27-23, 18:33
I am always looking for special activities. And I am now done for the time being. Today I started my final purge treatment of any lingering bugs and wil move in with my new girlfriend to be monogamous and bare back. So I can leave you with my ideas to try.
I was with a super cute girl couple of nights ago. She goes by the name Iza Ferroz, has a twitter, she loves what she does, you can feel it. And she is super cute. I don't know if it was special with me, but it was absolutely worthy of the label GFE. In fact, it was so GFEish that I felt the sparks fly and she ended up leaving early so that we wouldn't start going down the wrong emotional path. I had told her of my girlfriend plans and she didn't want to get into the middle of this. What a cutie but full anal and deepthroat play was on the menu. Almost nothing was negated.
Then last night I was with a certain Yara from Santo Amaro, she also advertizes with the word "facefuck" on photoacompanhante. She is genuine. Not that cute as that Iza, but she was quite nice with me. Talked a little too much, rsrs but very good oral skills, not once did I get scratched by teeth. Smoker, which prevented me from going too much into kissing, but she was quite open for it.
For another treat for the fetish freaks like me. If you want hardcore PSE with a pregnant playboy cover model, and miss bumbum award winner, who has notoriety on the press for certain drug related sentences, look no further than Flavia Tamayo, alias Pamela Pantera. I think you can see her number on photoacompanhante. I have missed her by a fluke yesterday. I was really curious. The only thing somewhat off-turning is her voice. She probably took androgens for body building at some point and her voice turned very low.
Finally, please someone try to get an appointment with Neca Santos. She is a riot. +55 11 9xxxxx669. That's the girl who does facefuck with slapping and whatnot, and the only problem is actually getting an appointment with her. She seems to be very disorganized and also selective. In my case she had rejected me several times even when we were just about to firm the appointment. Probably doesn't like my profile foto. Too bad. But I don't have time to worry about it, and yet I am really curious what you guys might experience.
If you do any of those, please reply with your review.
With that, I shall be off into the sunset for the time being at least. Fare well brethren.
If you are staying in Jardim Paulistsa, I used Seattle Tourism last time and I got a pretty decent rate that was close to central bank rate. I don't remember what the difference was exactly but I will change this Friday and will report back the rate.Got cash changed today at Seattle Tourismo in Jardim Paulista. Official rate was 4. 97 and I changed at 4. 90. Was able to get it all in 200 R bills. Gave them the new $100 bills only.
I was with a super cute girl couple of nights ago. She goes by the name Iza Ferroz, has a twitter, she loves what she does, you can feel it. And she is super cute. I don't know if it was special with me, but it was absolutely worthy of the label GFE. In fact, it was so GFEish that I felt the sparks fly and she ended up leaving early so that we wouldn't start going down the wrong emotional path. I had told her of my girlfriend plans and she didn't want to get into the middle of this. What a cutie but full anal and deepthroat play was on the menu. Almost nothing was negated.Hey brotha just wanted to ask is it Ferroz or Ferraz? I found Iza Ferraz on Twitter and it seems like it might be her that you're talking about. Thanks!
Got cash changed today at Seattle Tourismo in Jardim Paulista. Official rate was 4. 97 and I changed at 4. 90. Was able to get it all in 200 R bills. Gave them the new $100 bills only.At Anaggie. Many thanks for your information.
From my last 3-4 trips, I've been at Scandallo every day they were open. From my observations, I would guess the normal number of girls in attendance would be approximately.
Note: (NA = wasn't there during that time):
Monday: before 6 pm 20-40,6 to 10 pm 50-80, after 10 pm NA.
Tuesday: before 6 pm NA, 6 to 10 pm 75-125, after 10 pm 150+.
Wednesday: before 6 pm 40-60,6 to 10 pm 85-150, after 10 pm 175+ (250+ on special live musical guest nights).
Thursday: before 6 pm 40-60,6 to 10 pm 85-150, after 10 pm 175+.
Friday: before 6 pm 30-50,6 to 10 pm 75-125, after 10 pm 150+.
Saturday: before 6 pm NA, 6 to 10 pm 60-100, after 10 pm 125+.
Often times they have special life musical guests (Usually on Wednesdays), usually popular local Brazilian bands or international DJs. On those nights, admission / consumption can be higher and the total can be up to R800! They also charge a R500 fee to get a table in the "disco" area where the band plays. On those special nights, I've seen 250+ girls and tons of guys. Taking a girl up to the room or taking a girl for a "saida" out of the club can result in 10-15 minutes wait on line at the hotel / saida cashier!
As beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the following is just MY PERSONAL OPINION. I generally agree with the Western and East Asian standard of beauty. I like the type of girls you generally see in Vogue, Victoria's Secrets, old SI Swimsuit Issues before they became "inclusive" or girls on high fashion billboards for LV, Hermes, Gucci and the like.
Therefore, my tastes lean toward the tall, skinny, girls with a flat stomach (doesn't need a 6 pack), long shapely legs, beautiful face, eye and smile. I am not a breast man, but prefer a nice be-see cup and don't need a big bunda, but like at least a firm bubble butt that fits their frame.
Even though I prefer tall girls, I also like a petite spinner sometimes. I also like curvy girls occasionally, as long as they have a hour glass figure with thin waist and their dimensions are proportional. I also usually prefer younger women age 29 and under.
My taste is a bit wide-ranging. It can go from a runway model to a more busty VS Vixen to a SI Swimsuit cover model to a K-pop / Asian movie star to a Telenovela actress. I also like girls of all races, hair and eye coloring, as long as they fit the above. It just depends on my mood and also our chemistry when I chat them up.
I DO NOT like muffin tops, thick thighs or cellulite around the ass / thighs. Slutty, US Porn Star look, with fake lips, tits and ass also does not really interest me.
Based on my preferences, I feel on a pure OPTICS level, I think Scandallo beats all the options in.
1) Brazil (all other venues in Sao Paulo and everything in Rio de Janeiro).
2) Western European FKKs (Globe / Aphrodisia in Zurich, Sharks / Oase in Frankfurt, Goldentime, Living Room, Oceans and Samya in NWR).
3) Madrid clubs (Vive and Pigmallion).
4) Tijuana (HK Club).
5) Thailand (The Pimp in Bangkok, clubs on / near Soi 11 like Insanity, gogos in Nana / Cowboy and Walking Street gogos in Pattaya).
6) Jakarta (both Malio Hotel and Maliboro Club, Classic, King's Castle, and CJ's).
7) Hong Kong (Wan Chai FL clubs and strip clubs).
I've been to all of those other venues within the last 3-4 years, often multiple times. The QUANITY, QUALITY and VARIETY, in terms of height, shape, size (I've also seen a few "little people" at Scandallo), ethnicity, and looks (innocent, cute, model pretty, slutty, sensual, etc.), in Scandallo is unrivalled.
On any given night, you can find a hot girl with Caucasian, Irish / Scottish, Germanic, Latina, Western European, Eastern European, Slavik, Asian, Mulatto, and Black Features.
On a "classy" level, I also feel Scandallo wins out. You are more likely to find professional working models, artists, professionals, graduate students, higher-end sugar babies, etc. At Scandallo than those other venues. The club is also very posh and upscale, with a large selection of top shelf liquor and a nice restaurant offering varied cuisine, as well as a good sushi bar.
I understand some of the above venues are different in terms of setup, but at the end of the day, they all have a few things in common that I find useful and important:
1) You see the girls in the person (and in some of the other venues, totally in the flesh!
2) You have the option of buying them a drink and chatting them up and vet them.
3) It's basically a point and shoot situation, as few will turn you down outright, but a few still might do so.
Some might find it more challenging to go to Brazil. Some might prefer a cheaper venue. Some might prefer a venue that has a higher percentage of darker skinned girls. Some might prefer a venue with mostly "trashier / sluttier" girls (although plenty of those in Scandallo too! Some might prefer a venue where negotiating on the "gift / donation" for the girl is less of an issue. Some might prefer a venue where more girls speak English, German, etc.
Not everyone will agree with my sentiments and that's okay. Different strokes for different folks.
For me, Scandallo is the best one stop shopping for hot P4 P action, especially if you have the funds to spend and it isn't logistically too challenging for you to get there compared to the other options.I used to be a Colombia / Mexico guy and I agree to all the above 100% my experience. We share the same taste in women as well, I lean more towards athletic tall (volleyball track and field body types).
I just want to add my experience to your post:
I have gone to Scandallo around 20 x and I do notice a difference in how I'am approached quantity and quality of women wise based on how I dress and carry myself. The times I came in looking more hood / street with backward baseball cap and wife beaters got the lower tier girls approaching and hotter ones not even responding. Come in dressed up with a nice collar hugo boss shirt and pleaded pants its night and day.
I also enjoyed Casa Rao found a few 8's on the weekends. Overall I will be focusing more of my mongering towards Brazil and other cities to check out like Curtiba and Porto Alegre. I also had quite a bit of luck with cold approaches mainly the younger looking cute baristas around Rio and SP. (Zero Porto here) Getting them to kiss was easy but getting pass first base was a no go on short notice. (civvies).
Stinky Squid
04-30-23, 10:26
Hey brotha just wanted to ask is it Ferroz or Ferraz? I found Iza Ferraz on Twitter and it seems like it might be her that you're talking about. Thanks!Yes Ferraz, not ferocious.
CanadaWet, just curious. Other than statistics, why do you feel unsafe in SP? Did something happen? As a fellow Canuck, I felt zero issues while in SP for a week solo, daytime or nightime. And I have been to Thailand.
And what type of food do you eat? SP has many more world class restaurants, bars, coffee shops, etc than Pattaya.
I know there are lots reports of pickpocketing and the like in Rio in Copa, but after reading 100's of pages in this thread, haven't really heard too much that SP is something to worry about. While Colombia CTG / MDE / BOG is totally different.
F.It depends on where you are. I have been almost robbed twice but I practically like living there and walk everywhere. By almost I mean like my phone dropped to the ground while the robber trying to grab it out of my hand so it was not successful. I also walked to Centro at night often but I have never been robbed in Centro. There are a lot of drug users and homeless people in certain areas and those areas are less safe at night too. One reason there are less reports because there are less tourists. There was an arm robbery reported in Jardim Paulista before that a store owner was killed by men on moto similar to what Steve reported.
Pattaya / Bangkok have more variety, cheaper, and world class food too but they are not at the same price range of places you have in mind. Similar type of food in SP is very limited in comparison.
This is the body type I like in Brazil but I would not say it's common. Both worked at Clinica. I had the negra on her first day. She was so sensitive and aroused so I couldn't help to give her a DATY which I usually don't do. I got a sore throat and out for a couple of week as a result. I also got the tattooed one when she just started working and she gave me a CIM to finish. I know there are a couple spinners regular at Scandallo, Luanna and Bianca if I remember the name correctly. I opt for taller and slender kind like the ones in the picture. If you can't find it in Scandallo, it will be more difficult to find it elsewhere.
It depends on where you are. I have been almost robbed twice but I practically like living there and walk everywhere. By almost I mean like my phone dropped to the ground while the robber trying to grab it out of my hand so it was not successful. I also walked to Centro at night often but I have never been robbed in Centro. There are a lot of drug users and homeless people in certain areas and those areas are less safe at night too. One reason there are less reports because there are less tourists. There was an arm robbery reported in Jardim Paulista before that a store owner was killed by men on moto similar to what Steve reported.
Pattaya / Bangkok have more variety, cheaper, and world class food too but they are not at the same price range of places you have in mind. Similar type of food in SP is very limited in comparison.
This is the body type I like in Brazil but I would not say it's common. Both worked at Clinica. I had the negra on her first day. She was so sensitive and aroused so I couldn't help to give her a DATY which I usually don't do. I got a sore throat and out for a couple of week as a result. I also got the tattooed one when she just started working and she gave me a CIM to finish. I know there are a couple spinners regular at Scandallo, Luanna and Bianca if I remember the name correctly. I opt for taller and slender kind like the ones in the picture. If you can't find it in Scandallo, it will be more difficult to find it elsewhere.Your taste is similar to mine Nounce. I prefer a slim woman with some natural curves. While I can see how beautiful Thai women are, I am not turned aroused by them which is why I am slow in visiting Thailand. However, I have heard that the women there are very "traditional" compared to many women around the world which is a great quality.
Yes Ferraz, not ferocious.Thanks brotha, I'm going to message her and see if her availability lines up with the days I'm there. Again thanks for the recommendation!
Besides using Google translate for asking about rates and services before doing the deed, have any you guys tried using it to have a conversation with it? I'm learning the basic phrases before I head out there in 2 weeks but I know for a fact I'll be using the app a majority of the time. Has it been awkward trying to converse with the women you find attraction but don't speak a lick of English? Is it worth the headache if you don't understand each other?
Besides using Google translate for asking about rates and services before doing the deed, have any you guys tried using it to have a conversation with it? I'm learning the basic phrases before I head out there in 2 weeks but I know for a fact I'll be using the app a majority of the time. Has it been awkward trying to converse with the women you find attraction but don't speak a lick of English? Is it worth the headache if you don't understand each other?It is worth the headache. When you are booking, make sure you have WhatsApp. Let them know you are learning Portuguese and using an app to help you communicate. I have used translate in each session where they have spoken or typed in my phone, and it translates our conversation. It doesn't flow as well, but it gets the job done.
Axel Heyst
05-02-23, 17:38
The girls are quite accustomed to google translate customers. The app is very useful and it can be fun when used with the right attitude even in popular boates like Scandalo and Bomboa. The only problem with its operation in club settings is the noise level and your internet speed. If your phone is slow ask a waiter for the club's Wi-Fi pw.
I find Google translate is very useful and entertaining in the room before and after boom boom and it is indispensable for texting. But not everybody is into talking, kkk, so opinions vary on google translate. I like it, I use it all the time, but it is far from perfect.
I have been using the translate since 2018. It has made it possible to communicate somewhat. My Portuguese is improving with each visit but I still cannot "converse". The girls talk too fast sometimes even for the translate app to keep up. Without it I would be nearly as effective. So far in Brasil I have found the girls to be completely open to using it. My advice to anyone contemplating a trip there that does not speak portuguese is to download the language in the app in case the service is slow or do like suggested below to get the location's wifi password.
Besides using Google translate for asking about rates and services before doing the deed, have any you guys tried using it to have a conversation with it? I'm learning the basic phrases before I head out there in 2 weeks but I know for a fact I'll be using the app a majority of the time. Has it been awkward trying to converse with the women you find attraction but don't speak a lick of English? Is it worth the headache if you don't understand each other?
Hi Guys.
First trip to Sao Paulo next month and was wondering if anyone knows any places where I can bring girls back?
All the Airbnb's I've contacted need me to send the girls documentation first to the host, awkward LOL.
Is the norm here or are there any places where they can just their ID on arrival? Thanks!
Your taste is similar to mine Nounce. I prefer a slim woman with some natural curves. While I can see how beautiful Thai women are, I am not turned aroused by them which is why I am slow in visiting Thailand. However, I have heard that the women there are very "traditional" compared to many women around the world which is a great quality.I like spinner. One reason is they are light and they are better at CG and they can put all their weigh on me and I don't feel uncomfortable, better stamina, especially Columbiana. LOL. This one is good. She does not like to be pounded because she is very sensitive. She could slide my boy into her when limp, then gradually pumped it hard until I finished.
Brasileras are bigger on average. I find it hard to manipulate the bigger ones in bed so I just go for the tall skinny / slender ones. Haha. Currently I have a tall one that is less than 50 KG. She put her hands on my chest and I don't feel the weight at all when she is riding away.
BigButtDetecto
05-03-23, 10:35
3 days is not much but thanks to ISG I had good times.
I had first a bait and switch from photo acompanhantes.
Then went to yankin at 11 am only 2 girls 1 busy.
Then tangara about 10 girls no more than 6/10 . Then I discovered a gold mine: 134 bara de alameida.
Its a francfort style eros center with tons of girls some really good looking. Only $10 US room included.
The other one (2 Andrades 69) is even cheaper but the girls are not as good. I skipped escandalo where the real scandal is the entrance fee.
You can have 5 girld in a prive for the price of the entrance of the boates.
...... I skipped escandalo where the real scandal is the entrance fee.
You can have 5 girld in a prive for the price of the entrance of the boates.Haven't you been reading reports by the doyens of this site that Scandallo is not about the money you pay there but the fact that you can have coitus with Vogue and Victoria Secrets lookalike models. Doesn't every man dream of this?
I like spinner. One reason is they are light and they are better at CG and they can put all their weigh on me and I don't feel uncomfortable, better stamina, especially Columbiana. LOL. This one is good. She does not like to be pounded because she is very sensitive. She could slide my boy into her when limp, then gradually pumped it hard until I finished.
Brasileras are bigger on average. I find it hard to manipulate the bigger ones in bed so I just go for the tall skinny / slender ones. Haha. Currently I have a tall one that is less than 50 KG. She put her hands on my chest and I don't feel the weight at all when she is riding away.That may be so but the Miss Bum Bums are better at doggy, one of my favorite positions.
FlowState985
05-03-23, 17:25
Hi Guys.
First trip to Sao Paulo next month and was wondering if anyone knows any places where I can bring girls back?
All the Airbnb's I've contacted need me to send the girls documentation first to the host, awkward LOL.
Is the norm here or are there any places where they can just their ID on arrival? Thanks!My advices are always book with 2 people and look for Airbnb that does not say anything regarding bringing an extra guest. I do it this way and I always bring someone by walking them or meeting them at the front gate and get them in, no issue whatsoever. There is usually security man at the door but he doesn't care. I just stayed at an Airbnb in Moema and did exactly this.
If you want to go further, you can ask if you can bring guest and they almost always say you have to send their info ahead of time but some will says it is fine. I also stayed in Vila Mariana area as well and the Airbnb host wanted so much info, picture, passport etc. And he said if I bring a guest, I can just tell him so he can release to security or whatever. When I stayed at the building, there were no security guard, it was just face ID (using my picture) to get in and out of building so pretty much you can just walk the girl in and out.
So the whole point I'm trying to say is if Airbnb doesn't say anything regarding guest, you will be fine as long as you don't play loud music and disturb neighbors.
Turgid and Nounce, please clear PMs, thanks.
Anyone stayed in this hotel? Do you know if it's girl-friendly? If not could anyone recommend me one in the area which is?
3 days is not much but thanks to ISG I had good times.
I had first a bait and switch from photo acompanhantes.
Then went to yankin at 11 am only 2 girls 1 busy.
Then tangara about 10 girls no more than 6/10 . Then I discovered a gold mine: 134 bara de alameida.
Its a francfort style eros center with tons of girls some really good looking. Only $10 US room included.
The other one (2 Andrades 69) is even cheaper but the girls are not as good. I skipped escandalo where the real scandal is the entrance fee.
You can have 5 girld in a prive for the price of the entrance of the boates.I am always interested in where the people of the city go instead of the tourist traps or high-end set ups. Are these quickie 15 minute places?
UniversalX
05-04-23, 22:04
Anyone stayed in this hotel? Do you know if it's girl-friendly? If not could anyone recommend me one in the area which is?What hotel? Does it have a name?
What hotel? Does it have a name?LOL. I think I wrote this too late in the day. LOL How did I manage not to name the place? I was considering hotel Meli Ibirapuera in Moema but just got an AirBnB today instead. Asked the owner specifically if the guests are allowed and she said no problem. Keeping my fingers crossed.
On the different topic. Anyone had experience with Carol Fenix? If yes, I'd really appreciate the feedback.
I'll be hitting the boates, some clinicas during the day, maybe seeking as that was fun last time. Looking forward to practicing some Porto IRL. Any sex phrases / terms you know would be appreciated!
Let me know if you'll be in town and want to get out, weather & temp reports look better than I thought this time of year.
I'll be hitting the boates, some clinicas during the day, maybe seeking as that was fun last time. Looking forward to practicing some Porto IRL. Any sex phrases / terms you know would be appreciated!
Let me know if you'll be in town and want to get out, weather & temp reports look better than I thought this time of year.https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-talk-dirty-in-Portugese
https://www.reddit.com/r/Portuguese/comments/gcn3l1/dirty_sex_talk_with_a_brazilian_woman/
Or just google "sex words in Portuguese".
Quick logistical details:
4 day trip. AirBnB in Moema, didn't bother bringing anyone over.
Brodesco with Wise card. 3% from mid-market XE rate.
The Palms:
Huge rooms, spotlessly clean. Tablet. Prices have increased. 400 to house and 350 inside. If eye-candy is your thing, then go here. Owner speaks English and is a friendly gentleman. If unsure, ask him to suggest, he will sit with you and guide you through. There is a minibar, coffee inside if you want to hangout and wait for someone specific. Parking lot occupied by high-end cars, kind of tells you who patronizes a place like this.
My muse was a mixed Japanese with tastefully done bolt-ONS. Kind attention and great view on the mirrors.
WIR: Yes, if I am feeling generous to part with my money.
Mon night, Casarao:
Within few minutes bump into the girl I met 3 months ago. She recognized me right away. Hugs and kisses like she met her BF after a while. I find her cute, but politely sent her away. Given no more blue balls was in two minds whether to stay or return back with just a drink. Then saw this 22 yr perola negra and went up to chat. Turned out she spoke decent English, from Rio, spinner 5'8-9". Man-o-man, whether because I messed with her head a bit with words or something else, she went firecracker in the room. 300 for an hour.
Tue night, Scandallo:
Met up with ISG friend M and we shared a cab together. His friend be was there with 2 other friends. We got in at 7. 06 pm, but M managed to get both of us in at the 300 all consumption deal. After 2 beers and 3 whiskeys, I lost count. I do remember that we ended with desserts and Henessy. More than 200 girls, usual high quality. Sushi was fresh and filling as usual. This was the best evening I have spent at Scandallo. And, it was so because of the friends and the company I had. The venue is top notch as a high-end club, the food, service, vibe. We were having so much fun till 1 am that nobody really wanted to go upstairs. Eventually, 3 out of 5 ended up finding someone to take upstairs, but that was the least eventful thing about the whole evening.
From now on, I will only go to Scandallo if I have the right company of friends, not to find girls quickly to sess with.
Wed night, Casarao:
Be and his friends were at Photo. M and I had work till 10 pm. So, we headed over to Casarao together around 11/11. 30 pm. The place was packed to the brim, both upstairs and downstairs. More than 150 in attendance with a good positive ratio. Loved the DJ that night. We were vibing and chilling over water (we both had a few drinks before coming here) unsure if we want to take someone next door. Then this very tall spinner comes over who reminds me of a neighbor from my teenage years. I just had to. She again turned out to be another firecracker. 400/ HR.
She was about to come and I had a bit of trouble coming at the same time, so I pull out and we both masturbate to nice orgasms at the exact same time.
Now I have a strong feeling that girls come to Casarao not for money, but because they are really horny. It just so happens that they make a bit of money while having fun. Casarao is now my ATF and I will make it a point to do multiple visits to this venue whenever I am in SP. Just make sure you have what you need on you and don't venture out too far from the venue late at night.
Thu, Taj Mahal:
Late afternoon M and I met up again and decided to checkout this spa that neither of us had noticed before. Upscale, as clean as Palms and perhaps cleaner than some of the hotel rooms in SP. Tall, blonde with bolt ONS gave a proper nuru slide, gel massage with hands combined with application of massage gun. That was nice. Overall nice finish and then shower. 380 if you are paying cash and 400 if by card. Will repeat in future.
Lastly, how do Paulistas go party in Casarao on a Wed night till 3 am and go to work the next morning? Is it the Acai bowls, guarna, will remain a mystery to me.
https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-talk-dirty-in-Portugese
https://www.reddit.com/r/Portuguese/comments/gcn3l1/dirty_sex_talk_with_a_brazilian_woman/
Or just google "sex words in Portuguese".Mahalo! I'd found those a few weeks back but didn't realize the Quora one has multiple threads / posts.
Will be in SP starting Wednesday. Looking to hang out / buy a drink for those with experience and knowledge on the area. Very seasoned in Colombia but first time in SP.
Thanks!
Quick logistical details:
4 day trip. AirBnB in Moema, didn't bother bringing anyone over.
Brodesco with Wise card. 3% from mid-market XE rate.
The Palms:
Nice report Sir, informative and to the point. Glad you have a squad to hang out with, makes the whole experience much better.
Will be in SP starting Wednesday. Looking to hang out / buy a drink for those with experience and knowledge on the area. Very seasoned in Colombia but first time in SP.
Thanks!How long are you there for? I'll land in a couple of weeks or so. Also very familiar with Colombia.
Will be in SP starting Wednesday. Looking to hang out / buy a drink for those with experience and knowledge on the area. Very seasoned in Colombia but first time in SP.
Thanks!Haven't been to SP in a while, but "Love Story" was the best.
How long are you there for? I'll land in a couple of weeks or so. Also very familiar with Colombia.Looking to stay at least a week (until the 17th) but might extend and go also to Rio or further north. Let me know.
How long are you there for? I'll land in a couple of weeks or so. Also very familiar with Colombia.
Looking to stay at least a week (until the 17th) but might extend and go also to Rio or further north. Let me know.I will be there next week starting the 16th. My week will depend on if one of my options is still in SP when I arrive. However, I would be game for a drink.
Hi folks, back from a production trip to Argentina and Brasil with a TON of visual reports I hope you'll enjoy.
I want to start with a very rapid visit to Renaissance bar, where there were mostly wealthy brazilians enjoying loud conversations and few tourists in the bar. At around 20 hours there were 3-4 very old pros, so after having my sandwich I decided to leave the place disappointed. When I was walking the inner part of the bar, where there was a pianist, I saw the slender figures of two stunners walking around and playing some kind of mouse and cat chase with a potential client. They were dressing short miniskirt dresses, coats and up the knee boots.
A very inviting look, so I would give them a 9. Yeah.
Both went outside the building to smoke bap when I was also smoking a cigarette and gave me the chance to get closer to them and exchange glances. They were definitely after somebody else.
One swallow doesn't make a summer, but it worth the visit. Or was it just me who arrived too late at the place?
Hi folks, back from a production trip to Argentina and Brasil with a TON of visual reports I hope you'll enjoy.
I want to start with a very rapid visit to Renaissance bar, where there were mostly wealthy brazilians enjoying loud conversations and few tourists in the bar. At around 20 hours there were 3-4 very old pros, so after having my sandwich I decided to leave the place disappointed. When I was walking the inner part of the bar, where there was a pianist, I saw the slender figures of two stunners walking around and playing some kind of mouse and cat chase with a potential client. They were dressing short miniskirt dresses, coats and up the knee boots.
A very inviting look, so I would give them a 9. Yeah.
Both went outside the building to smoke bap when I was also smoking a cigarette and gave me the chance to get closer to them and exchange glances. They were definitely after somebody else.
One swallow doesn't make a summer, but it worth the visit. Or was it just me who arrived too late at the place?Not too much info on Argentina (is it the new secret monger spot) can you give a little 411 on the best casas / brothels and how much is the going rate over there?
I've just arrived in São Paolo, for the first time in 5 years, here for ten days, and eager for some happy times. I am in the Renaissance hotel, have a free afternoon and evening today, and would welcome any suggestions for the best clinicas or other establishments to find some fun on a weekday.
And if anyone else is in town and fancies some company for a beer or two and some visits, let me know! I had a great time when I was last here with the wonderful ABG, but I gather he has since departed?
Argentina is a big country, the second biggest in South America. There are great destinations depending of the season besides Buenos Aires such as Mar del Plata, La Plata, Rosario, Cordoba and the snow sky spot of Bariloche in the distant south of the country, and the closer to hell Posadas / Misiones that deserved posts a few months ago because of the german / indian mix of talent up there.
Long story short because this is a Brazil part of the forum. Argentina has talent, no doubt, but they are not in the Buenos Aires brothels.
You can start searching "argentinas" on Telegram, but that's an authentic ocean of information. Mostly in spanish.
Not too much info on Argentina (is it the new secret monger spot) can you give a little 411 on the best casas / brothels and how much is the going rate over there?
Just back from an afternoon visit to Tangara. Good lineup, about 15 girls in total, of whom at least 4 were very appealing. Spent an hour with Paola. A very pretty, dark skinned girl with amazing eyes and Cleopatra-style hair. She is fabulous, very talented in many ways, and can do things with her tongue that will leave you gasping. I will be back!
GiuseppeBonera
05-10-23, 19:07
I've just arrived in So Paolo, for the first time in 5 years, here for ten days, and eager for some happy times. I am in the Renaissance hotel, have a free afternoon and evening today, and would welcome any suggestions for the best clinicas or other establishments to find some fun on a weekday.
And if anyone else is in town and fancies some company for a beer or two and some visits, let me know! I had a great time when I was last here with the wonderful ABG, but I gather he has since departed?Hey man I am also in the Renaissance I might head to Casarao today *** I'm usually at the hotel lobby bar in the evening usually around 8 before deciding where to go.
Hey man I am also in the Renaissance I might head to Casarao today *** I'm usually at the hotel lobby bar in the evening usually around 8 before deciding where to go.Hey I'll be arriving Friday and staying at the Renaissance as well. Definitely looking for some seasoned SP mongers to hang out with and hit up Casarao or Scandello this weekend!
Hey I'll be arriving Friday and staying at the Renaissance as well. Definitely looking for some seasoned SP mongers to hang out with and hit up Casarao or Scandello this weekend!Sounds like a plan. I'm too knackered to do anything tonight, and tied up tomorrow, but Friday at Casarao and / or Scandallo for sure! Not a seasoned SP monger myself, but looking forward to becoming one.
Anyone know of a place to get a quick result STD test? Found one maybe (Labi Exames, Vila Olimpia) but couldn't find anything recent by RTFF.
Thanks in advance, arriving next week, .
3 days is not much but thanks to ISG I had good times.
I had first a bait and switch from photo acompanhantes.
Then went to yankin at 11 am only 2 girls 1 busy.
Then tangara about 10 girls no more than 6/10 . Then I discovered a gold mine: 134 bara de alameida.
Its a francfort style eros center with tons of girls some really good looking. Only $10 US room included.
The other one (2 Andrades 69) is even cheaper but the girls are not as good. I skipped escandalo where the real scandal is the entrance fee.
You can have 5 girld in a prive for the price of the entrance of the boates.Hey OP (or anyone reading) does anyone know the addresses to the two locations mentioned? I tried googling / Google mapping and asking a couple drivers but we couldn't figure it out.
Finally twice during the last weeks in different hours and days of the night in the Casarao. The second time I found a nice white skinned brunette but didn't take her because of the vibes of the place are rua Augusta style, very heavy, super loud music. Not my kind of place.
Left Casarao at around 3 am for a cold beer and the night over. The good part is the unexpensive visit. 140 reales.
Will be in SP starting Wednesday. Looking to hang out / buy a drink for those with experience and knowledge on the area. Very seasoned in Colombia but first time in SP.
Thanks!Love to share some Colombia stories and I will be SP next week.
Hey OP (or anyone reading) does anyone know the addresses to the two locations mentioned? I tried googling / Google mapping and asking a couple drivers but we couldn't figure it out.Yankin: https://goo.gl/maps/9RJBwWmebmJv4SWT8.
Tangara: https://goo.gl/maps/BgzZGoT4iNZELyrL7.
Not been, but google is my friend.
Hey OP (or anyone reading) does anyone know the addresses to the two locations mentioned? I tried googling / Google mapping and asking a couple drivers but we couldn't figure it out.Rua dos Andradas 69 and Rua Alameda Barão de Limeira 134. Take the elevator to the top floor and work your way down using the stairs.
Yankin: https://goo.gl/maps/9RJBwWmebmJv4SWT8.
Tangara: https://goo.gl/maps/BgzZGoT4iNZELyrL7.
Not been, but google is my friend.I was referring to the other two "gold mines" posted in there. I went to Tangara the other day and was very satisfied. Around 1:30 pm (the girls were having lunch the madam said) - about 10 girls presented themselves. Went with Ingrid and she was a great time.
Rua dos Andradas 69 and Rua Alameda Baro de Limeira 134. Take the elevator to the top floor and work your way down using the stairs.You the man Sperto! Thanks!
DonMedellin
05-13-23, 04:49
So I just heard that begining 10/1/23, Brazil will require visas for US tourists. Do we have to mail out passports to consulates or is it going to be a easy e-visa?
UniversalX
05-13-23, 04:56
So I just heard that begining 10/1/23, Brazil will require visas for US tourists. Do we have to mail out passports to consulates or is it going to be a easy e-visa?http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2193-General-Info&p=2797675&viewfull=1#post2797675.
https://www.travelcodex.com/us-citizens-will-need-brazil-visas-again/
https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/consulado-amsterda/vistos/copy_of_visa-tourists-vivis
Globalnomad5
05-13-23, 16:15
I read that e-visa will be available but no further details are available as of now.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2193-General-Info&p=2797675&viewfull=1#post2797675.
https://www.travelcodex.com/us-citizens-will-need-brazil-visas-again/
https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/consulado-amsterda/vistos/copy_of_visa-tourists-vivis
World Travel 69
05-13-23, 17:05
The Government has closed all the places to get laid about 5 years ago.
https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.5496979,-58.4659088,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!6m1!1s1Ep4TKHst7esdJHbO6dAHvcCCa-I?hl=en
Argentina is a big country, the second biggest in South America. There are great destinations depending of the season besides Buenos Aires such as Mar del Plata, La Plata, Rosario, Cordoba and the snow sky spot of Bariloche in the distant south of the country, and the closer to hell Posadas / Misiones that deserved posts a few months ago because of the german / indian mix of talent up there.
Long story short because this is a Brazil part of the forum. Argentina has talent, no doubt, but they are not in the Buenos Aires brothels.
You can start searching "argentinas" on Telegram, but that's an authentic ocean of information. Mostly in spanish.
World Travel 69
05-13-23, 17:13
It should be here.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1DojPORpBnrYUtX74_Y4YoRK0kEJ1BzbU&ll=-23.57631491961253%2C-46.68531782541157&z=11
Hey OP (or anyone reading) does anyone know the addresses to the two locations mentioned? I tried googling / Google mapping and asking a couple drivers but we couldn't figure it out.
NapataJohn
05-13-23, 18:14
I read that e-visa will be available but no further details are available as of now.https://www.fragomen.com/insights/brazil-visa-requirement-to-be-reinstated-for-nationals-of-australia-canada-japan-and-the-united-states.html
During my last 5 visitis to Scandallo, this happened right after the boring Casarao experience, to save the night.
So I went a Thursday night to Scandallo, R500 entrance which I spend most of it in the restaurant, my favorite place to see the talent. And this outstanding tall slim model type with brown hair walks very close to me. When she passed again I called her and she sat down. We spent most of the expendable R300 in dinner and wine, which gave us time to talk in portuguese for maybe half an hour. She was very generous under the table letting me explore her legs under the skirt. So the big question came, she first asked R1200 but accepted R1000 and we headed hand by hand to a room. Fortunately there was not a big waiting line for the rooms on the second floor.
We had such good chemestry that she agreed to make pics wearing my glasses, that fit her perfect. That's the proof this happened in a Scandallo room. I loved her small tits and firm ass posing in black lingerie and her classy high heels laying on the bed.
Mother of god, this girl is simply crazy, deep BJ without condom, then first round that I ended in five minutes. Then conversation drinking beer. When she ended her beer she started playing with the bottle and introduced the tip to her pu**why, that turned me on again and she kissed me GF style, she was so horny that she was approaching her pu**why to my dick to penetrate her without condom. I almost did it, but the big head told me not to be so f**kn crazy. So condom and powerful doggy style.
Incredible way to forget the Casarao visit. I congratulate myself to be generous with my girls. Because asking for bargains will only make a be*t*ch to behave like one. When we left the room I told her to walk together in the outdoor bar area. So other girls would see I was in shopping time. And that worked very well!
I proposed her a photoshoot but she turned down my proposal. No problems, I produced sexy shoots with 3 bubble butt girls this time.
Also funny / bad / expensive experiences in Scandallo that I will share with you in the following days.
During my last 5 visitis to Scandallo, this happened right after the boring Casarao experience, to save the night.
So I went a Thursday night to Scandallo, R500 entrance which I spend most of it in the restaurant, my favorite place to see the talent. And this outstanding tall slim model type with brown hair walks very close to me. When she passed again I called her and she sat down. We spent most of the expendable R300 in dinner and wine, which gave us time to talk in portuguese for maybe half an hour. She was very generous under the table letting me explore her legs under the skirt. So the big question came, she first asked R1200 but accepted R1000 and we headed hand by hand to a room. Fortunately there was not a big waiting line for the rooms on the second floor.
We had such good chemestry that she agreed to make pics wearing my glasses, that fit her perfect. That's the proof this happened in a Scandallo room. I loved her small tits and firm ass posing in black lingerie and her classy high heels laying on the bed.Planning on making a trip soon but never been to Sao Paulo before. Things are changing so much in South and Central America. Panama has now become quite expensive and yet the quality is not what it used to be. LE palace has struggled since the pandemic but Golden time surprisingly is improving its talent. Buenos Aires was amazing many years years ago now I hear its all been closed down as has Shanghai in China. Medellin has been good to me shutting between Fase Dos and the new La Isla which is amazing at present with the cost and quality Medellein is hard to beat. However reading the forum I really want to go to Sao Paulo and Scandallo.
The Government has closed all the places to get laid about 5 years ago.
https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.5496979,-58.4659088,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!6m1!1s1Ep4TKHst7esdJHbO6dAHvcCCa-I?hl=enThat's not quite correct. The are still 2 well known girl bars open, some apartments in Centro, maybe far less quantity, and quality.
Hey OP (or anyone reading) does anyone know the addresses to the two locations mentioned? I tried googling / Google mapping and asking a couple drivers but we couldn't figure it out.You can go to gp-guia and it's all there and more.
During my last 5 visitis to Scandallo, this happened right after the boring Casarao experience, to save the night.
So I went a Thursday night to Scandallo, R500 entrance which I spend most of it in the restaurant, my favorite place to see the talent. And this outstanding tall slim model type with brown hair walks very close to me. When she passed again I called her and she sat down. We spent most of the expendable R300 in dinner and wine, which gave us time to talk in portuguese for maybe half an hour. She was very generous under the table letting me explore her legs under the skirt. So the big question came, she first asked R1200 but accepted R1000 and we headed hand by hand to a room. Fortunately there was not a big waiting line for the rooms on the second floor.
We had such good chemestry that she agreed to make pics wearing my glasses, that fit her perfect. That's the proof this happened in a Scandallo room. I loved her small tits and firm ass posing in black lingerie and her classy high heels laying on the bed.
Mother of god, this girl is simply crazy, deep BJ without condom, then first round that I ended in five minutes. Then conversation drinking beer. When she ended her beer she started playing with the bottle and introduced the tip to her pu**why, that turned me on again and she kissed me GF style, she was so horny that she was approaching her pu**why to my dick to penetrate her without condom. I almost did it, but the big head told me not to be so f**kn crazy. So condom and powerful doggy style.
Incredible way to forget the Casarao visit. I congratulate myself to be generous with my girls. Because asking for bargains will only make a be*t*ch to behave like one. When we left the room I told her to walk together in the outdoor bar area. So other girls would see I was in shopping time. And that worked very well!
I proposed her a photoshoot but she turned down my proposal. No problems, I produced sexy shoots with 3 bubble butt girls this time.
Also funny / bad / expensive experiences in Scandallo that I will share with you in the following days.I had a similar experience last night at the same place with a lot of kissing, grouping all over. Tits, pussy. The whole shebang. With the hottest effing Sao Paulo blonde imaginable. I think this is one of the hottest chicks I kissed in my life. Well, there was Marie in Boston, but oh well. Life goes on. A real sweet thing she was too, you know, that SP blonde. GND type that you'd never think works in the place like Scandalo. But I couldn't even consider taking her up after 2 hours with Carol Fenix, an ultimate bem safada! I don't think you'd meet many who are as sexual and camera friendly as Carol is. There is no reason to put up a picture of her here. She's got plenty of films available on the internet. I tried to convince Carol to give up putaria and join the convent and marry Jesus instead but I think I failed. Oh Jesus.
The blonde spent around 3 hours with me. It helps to be a considered gringo with mysterious background who speaks decent Portuguese in this country. Initially we chatted for few minutes and I told her that sorry but I don't want to waist your time hun, here is are $20 for chatting with me, but I already saw a menina few hours ago and, while I wish I could kiss your lips over and over again, but this is not going anywhere today. The blonde responded with "if you give me a little more we could go around the corner and do some french kissing". You better believe it! I gave her are $100 and off we went for some serious hard grouping type TLC on the couch around the corner from the bar (I think there is also a pool table there but am not sure). 3 hours or so later I could've just walked out but there was no way I was going to let her spent all this time with me for are $120 so I gave her another are $250. That's what? Are $370 for 3 hours of hot time with 9 out of 10 SP blonde in Scandalo? Be proactive in your generosity and understanding in their desire to make a living. You'd get more for less + some interesting inside scoop on Scandalo that I'm sure have already been covered numerously in the RODs and the comments that follow them. We shall meet with both the sweet blonde and 'the' sexy Carol again. And just FYI, I'm fat, old, and not on Keanu Reeves level in looks with shorter than average but wider than life! I did enjoy grinning though, thinking of the red carpet treatment I received from Sao Paulo old timers on this board as I was walking out of Scandalo, that's for sure too.
I had a similar experience last night at the same place with a lot of kissing, grouping all over. Tits, pussy. The whole shebang. With the hottest effing Sao Paulo blonde imaginable. I think this is one of the hottest chicks I kissed in my life. Well, there was Marie in Boston, but oh well. Life goes on. A real sweet thing she was too, you know, that SP blonde. GND type that you'd never think works in the place like Scandalo. But I couldn't even consider taking her up after 2 hours with Carol Fenix, an ultimate bem safada! I don't think you'd meet many who are as sexual and camera friendly as Carol is. There is no reason to put up a picture of her here. She's got plenty of films available on the internet. I tried to convince Carol to give up putaria and join the convent and marry Jesus instead but I think I failed. Oh Jesus.
The blonde spent around 3 hours with me. It helps to be a considered gringo with mysterious background who speaks decent Portuguese in this country. Initially we chatted for few minutes and I told her that sorry but I don't want to waist your time hun, here is are $20 for chatting with me, but I already saw a menina few hours ago and, while I wish I could kiss your lips over and over again, but this is not going anywhere today. The blonde responded with "if you give me a little more we could go around the corner and do some french kissing". You better believe it! I gave her are $100 and off we went for some serious hard grouping type TLC on the couch around the corner from the bar (I think there is also a pool table there but am not sure). 3 hours or so later I could've just walked out but there was no way I was going to let her spent all this time with me for are $120 so I gave her another are $250..I am glad you had a great time and knew that another round would be futile after being drained by Carol Fenix, who is incredible. I would, however, caution against giving / tipping women for just existing or spending time with you. From my understanding, locals do not tip unless something is being given. Thankfully, you had a make-out session, which seems like a fair trade. As tourists / visitors, we should abide by the local customs and, of course, show gratitude, but when tipping too much for nothing would not only inflate the "gringo" price, it will also inflate the local offerings too.
Hi Sato San! Thanks for the quote. Yeah, there is an update on the south american scene since pandemic ended. Hope I will get a taste of Medellin in few months. But now let's tell the guys about nights that went definitely bad in Scandallo. Otherwise it will sound I'm a promoter of the club.
From the 5 times I went during the past three weeks, 2 were simply outstanding, one was normal, and two went bad. And this goes for those who want to take a whole trip from the other side of the world to Sao Paulo for one weekend or few days only just to hit Scandallo.
It was a Thursday night and I had the moods to go to Scandallo, not knowing there was going to be a semi-famous local Sertanejo star and her band. I like the music. When I arrived around midnight it was crowded, music super loud, there were nice girls singing the bands song in tables with locals, lots of brazilians and the ratio men-women was 2-1 or even 3-1. So it was going to be a very hard night to make a nice pick.
Around 2 am I only talked to a pair of girls I didn't like. Not even to share a drink or dinner. At 2:15 am when the show was over, I saw an incredible fitness brunette that was with a group of girls, she looked stunning, beautiful face, and healthy athlete wearing yoga pants a top and high heels that fit her perfect, so I immediately went to her and guess what.
She rejected me!!
She said "I'm to leave with that guy" (vou sair com o cara). Man. She was crazy hot!! And the guy was strong young brazilian, so nothing to negotiate with the stunner.
3 am I left the place with no score and a R600 spend for the night (uber and entrance, I could not consume all my R300). No problems at all, shit happens.
But I can't imagine the frustration that would feel a man that makes a whole flight with all the costs involved just to arrive to Scandallo at a local show night band!
So be ready for bad nights as well. Feel free to drop me a pm for more specific info.
Planning on making a trip soon but never been to Sao Paulo before. Things are changing so much in South and Central America. Panama has now become quite expensive and yet the quality is not what it used to be. LE palace has struggled since the pandemic but Golden time surprisingly is improving its talent. Buenos Aires was amazing many years years ago now I hear its all been closed down as has Shanghai in China. Medellin has been good to me shutting between Fase Dos and the new La Isla which is amazing at present with the cost and quality Medellein is hard to beat. However reading the forum I really want to go to Sao Paulo and Scandallo.
370 USD or real?
If its USD I guess inflation is at an all time high LOL.
I had a similar experience last night at the same place with a lot of kissing, grouping all over. Tits, pussy. The whole shebang. With the hottest effing Sao Paulo blonde imaginable. I think this is one of the hottest chicks I kissed in my life. Well, there was Marie in Boston, but oh well. Life goes on. A real sweet thing she was too, you know, that SP blonde. GND type that you'd never think works in the place like Scandalo. But I couldn't even consider taking her up after 2 hours with Carol Fenix, an ultimate bem safada! I don't think you'd meet many who are as sexual and camera friendly as Carol is. There is no reason to put up a picture of her here. She's got plenty of films available on the internet. I tried to convince Carol to give up putaria and join the convent and marry Jesus instead but I think I failed. Oh Jesus.
The blonde spent around 3 hours with me. It helps to be a considered gringo with mysterious background who speaks decent Portuguese in this country. Initially we chatted for few minutes and I told her that sorry but I don't want to waist your time hun, here is are $20 for chatting with me, but I already saw a menina few hours ago and, while I wish I could kiss your lips over and over again, but this is not going anywhere today. The blonde responded with "if you give me a little more we could go around the corner and do some french kissing". You better believe it! I gave her are $100 and off we went for some serious hard grouping type TLC on the couch around the corner from the bar (I think there is also a pool table there but am not sure). 3 hours or so later I could've just walked out but there was no way I was going to let her spent all this time with me for are $120 so I gave her another are $250..
My Uber was held up at gunpoint on way to airport at night stalled in traffic. So yeah think that qualifies as not too safe.Can you elaborate on the holdup.
I saw an incredible fitness brunette that was with a group of girls, she looked stunning, beautiful face, and healthy athlete wearing yoga pants a top and high heels that fit her perfect, so I immediately went to her and guess what.
She rejected me!!
She said "I'm to leave with that guy" (vou sair com o cara). Man. She was crazy hot!! And the guy was strong young brazilian, so nothing to negotiate with the stunner.
3 am I left the place with no score and a R600 spend for the night (uber and entrance, I could not consume all my R300). No problems at all, shit happens.
But I can't imagine the frustration that would feel a man that makes a whole flight with all the costs involved just to arrive to Scandallo at a local show night band!
So be ready for bad nights as well. Feel free to drop me a pm for more specific info.She didn't really reject you she had accepted an offer and was leaving with the guy and they woint ever and cannot change their minds after accepting the offer at certain establishments as it could lead to aggro between you and the other guy or the girl and the guy.
I felt that frustration myself a few times.
Not always the best strategy to arrive too late especially in a place with top shelf girls because the best will have left or will already have been occupied and not interested once they reach their personal quota, Busy times like concert etc its also hard to score what you want as many of the hook-ups happen before the concert with the girls and local guys who are their regulars. I'm sure you will see her again and then shoot your shot.
I am glad you had a great time and knew that another round would be futile after being drained by Carol Fenix, who is incredible. I would, however, caution against giving / tipping women for just existing or spending time with you. From my understanding, locals do not tip unless something is being given. Thankfully, you had a make-out session, which seems like a fair trade. As tourists / visitors, we should abide by the local customs and, of course, show gratitude, but when tipping too much for nothing would not only inflate the "gringo" price, it will also inflate the local offerings too.I don't look at it as tipping at all. First she said that she'd make out with me for extra are $100. So right off the bat it was fare and transactional. It was a steamy time with roaming all over. Then she spends 3 hours with me just hanging out making out like there is no tomorrow and grouping galore. Are $370 is nothing for that in my book. I liked her. She seemed to enjoy my company too. I wanted her number, I wanted to see her again, I wanted to leave good impression. I don't think I was inflating the "gringo" price at all. And BTW, I've been visiting Brazil long enough to know to be skeptical about what locals tell you. When GDPs say that they got plenty of clients who pay double of what you're offering them you can safely discount that, and when the guys claim that they get GDPs in bars to do things with them for free for long periods of time you can also take it with a grain of salt. At least in my modest experience.
370 USD or real?
If its USD I guess inflation is at an all time high LOL.Come on yo! It it would be $370 US we'd be talking monthly allowance.
I had a similar experience last night at the same place with a lot of kissing, grouping all over. Tits, pussy. The whole shebang. With the hottest effing Sao Paulo blonde imaginable. I think this is one of the hottest chicks I kissed in my life. Well, there was Marie in Boston, but oh well. Life goes on. A real sweet thing she was too, you know, that SP blonde. GND type that you'd never think works in the place like Scandalo. But I couldn't even consider taking her up after 2 hours with Carol Fenix, an ultimate bem safada! I don't think you'd meet many who are as sexual and camera friendly as Carol is. There is no reason to put up a picture of her here. She's got plenty of films available on the internet. I tried to convince Carol to give up putaria and join the convent and marry Jesus instead but I think I failed. Oh Jesus.
The blonde spent around 3 hours with me. It helps to be a considered gringo with mysterious background who speaks decent Portuguese in this country. Initially we chatted for few minutes and I told her that sorry but I don't want to waist your time hun, here is are $20 for chatting with me, but I already saw a menina few hours ago and, while I wish I could kiss your lips over and over again, but this is not going anywhere today. The blonde responded with "if you give me a little more we could go around the corner and do some french kissing". You better believe it! I gave her are $100 and off we went for some serious hard grouping type TLC on the couch around the corner from the bar (I think there is also a pool table there but am not sure). 3 hours or so later I could've just walked out but there was no way I was going to let her spent all this time with me for are $120 so I gave her another are $250. That's what? Are $370 for 3 hours of hot time with 9 out of 10 SP blonde in Scandalo? Be proactive in your generosity and understanding in their desire to make a living. You'd get more for less + some interesting inside scoop on Scandalo that I'm sure have already been covered numerously in the RODs and the comments that follow them. We shall meet with both the sweet blonde and 'the' sexy Carol again. And just FYI, I'm fat, old, and not on Keanu Reeves level in looks with shorter than average but wider than life! I did enjoy grinning though, thinking of the red carpet treatment I received from Sao Paulo old timers on this board as I was walking out of Scandalo, that's for sure too.Saturday night I finally made it to the famed Scandalo. This is my take. I'm a total newbie in terms of clubs (have other interests too believe it or not). I spend enough time in Rio and haven't even been to 4*4. This message is primarily meant for newbies like me that don't want to read pages and pages of War and Peace and comments that follow them. I really don't care what the old timers think about me rehashing what they already know for the 500th time. Don't want to read it skip to the next post or go back to your RODs. Am I pissed a bit at the attitude I've seen here so far here? You figure that out.
I liked Scandalo. It definitely didn't live up to the hype, and subsequently my expectations but it's a good place. A lot of good-looking women of all ethno-racial diversity available in Brazil. Surprisingly a sufficient number of those that I consider to be on the ugly side too. Many of them however I saw being occupied by guys like me so tastes differ I guess, often in extreme.
Most of women hang around at the bar in the main room expectantly looking out towards the tables most of which seemed to be occupied by the bored single men having a drink. It takes whopping are $500 to enter the place but from what I understand it's less before 7 pm. Out of this 500 you can spend 300 on food and drink. The restaurant is the first room you'd see. The dinning hall looked nice and pretty quite. The aforementioned blonde and I finished our attempt at the world record in making out and grouping over nice order of fried calamari and highly fresh sushi. There is some great food at Scandalo no doubt.
One of the questions I was going ask on the forum but didn't get a chance since I was getting such a strong push back from the old timers was how hard do they crank up their AC. Not that hard.
T-shirts are fine imo. No reason to do like I did and bring along a sweater or a jacket that you may forget on the way out.
Instead of sitting down I decided to do what many girls do and stroll around the premises. Got some looks as I passed but than some hot looking blonde smile gently, I smiled back, and she quickly put her hand on my shoulder. I liked the touch. It was gentle, not overly insistent, and promised high level of good energy exchange. What happened then you can read in the cited post.
Couple of things to keep in mind: girls don't get commission for you getting them food or drink. I was watching her as we were ordering. She gave nothing to the waiter who didn't appear to even know her name. According to the blonde, each of them pays are $300 entrance fee each day they come to Scandalo and that's that. The money that you negotiate with her she says she doesn't share with the house. You just pay house for the room. I think there is also an exit fee for taking them out of Scandalo. That being said the girl can leave at any point, and if she really likes you you can just agree to meet somewhere else and skip the exit fee.
Few more things that happened to me in two days I spend in Sao Paulo. Next day I discovered that my Uber no longer summons rides. It was towards the evening, but I was really in the middle of some park dressed in summer clothes. What happened was when I clicked on Confirm ride it went to the Uber map with blue dot showing my location but that's that. It would show Uber cars passing by me, but nothing was being done about my request. Anybody experienced anything like this? Never happened to me before. I messaged Uber but still had to take a taxi to the airport. When I arrived to Rio an hour later the Uber worked fine.
The other interesting thing that none of us damn foreigners could ever be aware of is that apparently in Sao Paulo you can't withdraw more than $R500 on Sundays. After striking out with Uber I tried to get my usual $R1,000 out of the ATM and three times got 'operation canceled, service unavailable'. The hotel receptionist then told me that apparently there is a law in Sao Paulo that prohibits banks from dispensing more than $R500 on Sundays. Something to keep in mind to prevent yourself from feeling anxious like I did.
Thank god! I almost cancelled my upcoming June trip. Its my first time in Sao Paulo.
Come on yo! It it would be $370 US we'd be talking monthly allowance.
Hi Sato San! Thanks for the quote. Yeah, there is an update on the south american scene since pandemic ended. Hope I will get a taste of Medellin in few months. But now let's tell the guys about nights that went definitely bad in Scandallo. Otherwise it will sound I'm a promoter of the club.
From the 5 times I went during the past three weeks, 2 were simply outstanding, one was normal, and two went bad. And this goes for those who want to take a whole trip from the other side of the world to Sao Paulo for one weekend or few days only just to hit Scandallo.
It was a Thursday night and I had the moods to go to Scandallo, not knowing there was going to be a semi-famous local Sertanejo star and her band. I like the music. When I arrived around midnight it was crowded, music super loud, there were nice girls singing the bands song in tables with locals, lots of brazilians and the ratio men-women was 2-1 or even 3-1. So it was going to be a very hard night to make a nice pick.
Around 2 am I only talked to a pair of girls I didn't like. Not even to share a drink or dinner. At 2:15 am when the show was over, I saw an incredible fitness brunette that was with a group of girls, she looked stunning, beautiful face, and healthy athlete wearing yoga pants a top and high heels that fit her perfect, so I immediately went to her and guess what.
She rejected me!!
She said "I'm to leave with that guy" (vou sair com o cara). Man. She was crazy hot!! And the guy was strong young brazilian, so nothing to negotiate with the stunner.
3 am I left the place with no score and a R600 spend for the night (uber and entrance, I could not consume all my R300). No problems at all, shit happens.
But I can't imagine the frustration that would feel a man that makes a whole flight with all the costs involved just to arrive to Scandallo at a local show night band!
So be ready for bad nights as well. Feel free to drop me a pm for more specific info.One thing I learned from Scandallo is that the hottest 10 girls will get bar fined. If you're not quick you will definitely not see them again the rest of the night. I have gone home empty handed no session because I was too slow to get what I wanted thinking there would be hotter girls or equally hot to choose from.
This is my take. I'm a total newbie in terms of clubs (have other interests too believe it or not). I spend enough time in Rio and haven't even been to 4*4. This message is primarily meant for newbies like me that don't want to read pages and pages of War and Peace and comments that follow them. I really don't care what the old timers think about me rehashing what they already know for the 500th time. Don't want to read it skip to the next post or go back to your RODs. Am I pissed a bit at the attitude I've seen here so far here? You figure that out.Let's keep this straight. Nobody cares if you choose to spend your time rehashing stuff for even the 1,000th time. Just don't expect us to do that. And I agree about "War & Peace". After all, as I've said before, this isn't a literary society. It's about sex for money (the world's greatest aphrodisiac).
Saturday night I finally made it to the famed Scandalo. This is my take. I'm a total newbie in terms of clubs (have other interests too believe it or not). I spend enough time in Rio and haven't even been to 4*4. This message is primarily meant for newbies like me that don't want to read pages and pages of War and Peace and comments that follow them. I really don't care what the old timers think about me rehashing what they already know for the 500th time. Don't want to read it skip to the next post or go back to your RODs. Am I pissed a bit at the attitude I've seen here so far here? You figure that out.
I liked Scandalo. It definitely didn't live up to the hype, and subsequently my expectations but it's a good place. A lot of good-looking women of all ethno-racial diversity available in Brazil. Surprisingly a sufficient number of those that I consider to be on the ugly side too. Many of them however I saw being occupied by guys like me so tastes differ I guess, often in extreme.
Most of women hang around at the bar in the main room expectantly looking out towards the tables most of which seemed to be occupied by the bored single men having a drink. It takes whopping are $500 to enter the place but from what I understand it's less before 7 pm. Out of this 500 you can spend 300 on food and drink. The restaurant is the first room you'd see. The dinning hall looked nice and pretty quite. The aforementioned blonde and I finished our attempt at the world record in making out and grouping over nice order of fried calamari and highly fresh sushi. There is some great food at Scandalo no doubt.
One of the questions I was going ask on the forum but didn't get a chance since I was getting such a strong push back from the old timers was how hard do they crank up their AC. Not that hard.
T-shirts are fine imo. No reason to do like I did and bring along a sweater or a jacket that you may forget on the way out.
Instead of sitting down I decided to do what many girls do and stroll around the premises. Got some looks as I passed but than some hot looking blonde smile gently, I smiled back, and she quickly put her hand on my shoulder. I liked the touch. It was gentle, not overly insistent, and promised high level of good energy exchange. What happened then you can read in the cited post.
Couple of things to keep in mind: girls don't get commission for you getting them food or drink. I was watching her as we were ordering. She gave nothing to the waiter who didn't appear to even know her name. According to the blonde, each of them pays are $300 entrance fee each day they come to Scandalo and that's that. The money that you negotiate with her she says she doesn't share with the house. You just pay house for the room. I think there is also an exit fee for taking them out of Scandalo. That being said the girl can leave at any point, and if she really likes you you can just agree to meet somewhere else and skip the exit fee.
Few more things that happened to me in two days I spend in Sao Paulo. Next day I discovered that my Uber no longer summons rides. It was towards the evening, but I was really in the middle of some park dressed in summer clothes. What happened was when I clicked on Confirm ride it went to the Uber map with blue dot showing my location but that's that. It would show Uber cars passing by me, but nothing was being done about my request. Anybody experienced anything like this? Never happened to me before. I messaged Uber but still had to take a taxi to the airport. When I arrived to Rio an hour later the Uber worked fine.
The other interesting thing that none of us damn foreigners could ever be aware of is that apparently in Sao Paulo you can't withdraw more than $R500 on Sundays. After striking out with Uber I tried to get my usual $R1,000 out of the ATM and three times got 'operation canceled, service unavailable'. The hotel receptionist then told me that apparently there is a law in Sao Paulo that prohibits banks from dispensing more than $R500 on Sundays. Something to keep in mind to prevent yourself from feeling anxious like I did.Surprised receptionist didn't know but there's a $R500 limit after 10 pm.
One thing I learned from Scandallo is that the hottest 10 girls will get bar fined. If you're not quick you will definitely not see them again the rest of the night. I have gone home empty handed no session because I was too slow to get what I wanted thinking there would be hotter girls or equally hot to choose from.You actually walked out of Scandallo with full balls and empty arms? How is that even possible from what I've heard about the club?
Few more things that happened to me in two days I spend in Sao Paulo. Next day I discovered that my Uber no longer summons rides. It was towards the evening, but I was really in the middle of some park dressed in summer clothes. What happened was when I clicked on Confirm ride it went to the Uber map with blue dot showing my location but that's that. It would show Uber cars passing by me, but nothing was being done about my request. Anybody experienced anything like this? Never happened to me before. I messaged Uber but still had to take a taxi to the airport. When I arrived to Rio an hour later the Uber worked fine.At least on Monday the Uber drivers were on strike.
Captain Solo
05-16-23, 17:16
WorkdTravel69.
There are not many posts in the Argentina thread. With the peso collapse to 1:400 in the black market, are there advantages for visitors? I am tempted to make a trip.
Your BS As map show a lot more privados and SWs than I remember. I save the map, gracias, but are there ways to know what kinds of girls work in which privados, which one have hot girls vs the older, chunky women I found in most privados?
SWs seem to hang out on a couple streets South of Plaza San Martin. Are girls hot young slim? What are their rates? Do they go to nearby hotels for business, or you have to take them to your hotel?.
I assume the escort sites are going strong. I booked a few very nice, hot girls from those sites.
Found some very nice hot young girls at then bar Envidia on Rividia. I heard it's closed. Are there any bar like Envidia anywhere? Tourists reported lots of girls in bars around Recoleta but not sure they will do sex.
Come on yo! It it would be $370 US we'd be talking monthly allowance.The Brazilian convention is are $. It helps greatly to use are $ or even are.
He wasn't the only one confused. There a few guys who like to throw money around when they meet a hot Brazilian chick.
Come on yo! It it would be $370 US we'd be talking monthly allowance.My bad. I see the ISG auto-correct changed your are to are. They should just turn it off. It causes more mistakes than it solves.
One thing I learned from Scandallo is that the hottest 10 girls will get bar fined. If you're not quick you will definitely not see them again the rest of the night. I have gone home empty handed no session because I was too slow to get what I wanted thinking there would be hotter girls or equally hot to choose from.This is true of almost every freelance club in the world. The crème de la crème either get picked-off immediately or have steady "dates" they can rely on.
I think I have only hooked up with two freelance rock stars in my travels. One was just shear luck striking early and agreeing to the higher price. It worked out because we hit it off, stayed overnight and she became my tour guide the next two days (at her rate).
The other was arranged by a Brazilian friend who basically said you have to agree to take her sight unseen. I was glad I did. Later, I would catch glimpses of her at the club as she was always in male company.
Saturday night I finally made it to the famed Scandalo. This is my take. I'm a total newbie in terms of clubs (have other interests too believe it or not). I spend enough time in Rio and haven't even been to 4*4. This message is primarily meant for newbies like me that don't want to read pages and pages of War and Peace and comments that follow them. I really don't care what the old timers think about me rehashing what they already know for the 500th time. Don't want to read it skip to the next post or go back to your RODs. Am I pissed a bit at the attitude I've seen here so far here? You figure that out.
I liked Scandalo. It definitely didn't live up to the hype, and subsequently my expectations but it's a good place. A lot of good-looking women of all ethno-racial diversity available in Brazil. Surprisingly a sufficient number of those that I consider to be on the ugly side too. Many of them however I saw being occupied by guys like me so tastes differ I guess, often in extreme.
Most of women hang around at the bar in the main room expectantly looking out towards the tables most of which seemed to be occupied by the bored single men having a drink. It takes whopping are $500 to enter the place but from what I understand it's less before 7 pm. Out of this 500 you can spend 300 on food and drink. The restaurant is the first room you'd see. The dinning hall looked nice and pretty quite. The aforementioned blonde and I finished our attempt at the world record in making out and grouping over nice order of fried calamari and highly fresh sushi. There is some great food at Scandalo no doubt.
One of the questions I was going ask on the forum but didn't get a chance since I was getting such a strong push back from the old timers was how hard do they crank up their AC. Not that hard.
T-shirts are fine imo. No reason to do like I did and bring along a sweater or a jacket that you may forget on the way out.
Instead of sitting down I decided to do what many girls do and stroll around the premises. Got some looks as I passed but than some hot looking blonde smile gently, I smiled back, and she quickly put her hand on my shoulder. I liked the touch. It was gentle, not overly insistent, and promised high level of good energy exchange. What happened then you can read in the cited post.
Couple of things to keep in mind: girls don't get commission for you getting them food or drink. I was watching her as we were ordering. She gave nothing to the waiter who didn't appear to even know her name. According to the blonde, each of them pays are $300 entrance fee each day they come to Scandalo and that's that. The money that you negotiate with her she says she doesn't share with the house. You just pay house for the room. I think there is also an exit fee for taking them out of Scandalo. That being said the girl can leave at any point, and if she really likes you you can just agree to meet somewhere else and skip the exit fee.
Few more things that happened to me in two days I spend in Sao Paulo. Next day I discovered that my Uber no longer summons rides. It was towards the evening, but I was really in the middle of some park dressed in summer clothes. What happened was when I clicked on Confirm ride it went to the Uber map with blue dot showing my location but that's that. It would show Uber cars passing by me, but nothing was being done about my request. Anybody experienced anything like this? Never happened to me before. I messaged Uber but still had to take a taxi to the airport. When I arrived to Rio an hour later the Uber worked fine.
The other interesting thing that none of us damn foreigners could ever be aware of is that apparently in Sao Paulo you can't withdraw more than $R500 on Sundays. After striking out with Uber I tried to get my usual $R1,000 out of the ATM and three times got 'operation canceled, service unavailable'. The hotel receptionist then told me that apparently there is a law in Sao Paulo that prohibits banks from dispensing more than $R500 on Sundays. Something to keep in mind to prevent yourself from feeling anxious like I did.Thanks for the report. It's always good to have a recap of top venues.
Granted there is a lot wanting on how this site is organized, but keep in mind it's a global site mostly organized by geography. A city or country specific sex site might have one thread called Scandallo where one can easily drill down on everything Scandallo.
There's no reason to get all salty about the responses you received. All the advice you have been given regarding reports of distinction, the advanced search feature, et cetera is often given to newbies. In fact, there might not be a venue that gets written up here as much as Scandallo.
As far as Sperto and others, they can be a bit impatient. However, we all get messaged regularly by others asking questions like where and how to get civilian girls. I just tell them if you don't have "game" back home don't bother. And it still takes work so you might be going home alone.
At least on Monday the Uber drivers were on strike.It began on Sunday night though.
Steve 9696
05-16-23, 21:13
WorkdTravel69.
There are not many posts in the Argentina thread. With the peso collapse to 1:400 in the black market, are there advantages for visitors? I am tempted to make a trip.
Your BS As map show a lot more privados and SWs than I remember. I save the map, gracias, but are there ways to know what kinds of girls work in which privados, which one have hot girls vs the older, chunky women I found in most privados?
SWs seem to hang out on a couple streets South of Plaza San Martin. Are girls hot young slim? What are their rates? Do they go to nearby hotels for business, or you have to take them to your hotel?.
I assume the escort sites are going strong. I booked a few very nice, hot girls from those sites.
Found some very nice hot young girls at then bar Envidia on Rividia. I heard it's closed. Are there any bar like Envidia anywhere? Tourists reported lots of girls in bars around Recoleta but not sure they will do sex.The girls in BA call it Baires. Since the official scene sucks I did Seeking arrangements a few times and had great success. Once I found the love of my life and we spent the weekend together. Including going to a swingers club (her idea) where we had a blast (did not swap). Then had two different girls in 2022. One a pure 10 in looks and attitude and accent! And another a solid 8 with natural Ds and bareback. So three for three using Seeking Arrangements in Baires. High recommend.
The other interesting thing that none of us damn foreigners could ever be aware of is that apparently in Sao Paulo you can't withdraw more than $R500 on Sundays. After striking out with Uber I tried to get my usual $R1,000 out of the ATM and three times got 'operation canceled, service unavailable'. The hotel receptionist then told me that apparently there is a law in Sao Paulo that prohibits banks from dispensing more than $R500 on Sundays. Something to keep in mind to prevent yourself from feeling anxious like I did.Good info froma birds eye view in the club always good to read different experiences, I don't see much about changing usd cash in SP even online they just say its better to use the ATM but I think changing cash is better leaves less of a paper trail and keeps the credit card free for emergencies and other things. Hve you any advice on changing cash in SP?
... I don't see much about changing usd cash in SP even online they just say its better to use the ATM ...I see it often enough.
Got cash changed today at Seattle Tourismo in Jardim Paulista. Official rate was 4. 97 and I changed at 4. 90. Was able to get it all in 200 R bills. Gave them the new $100 bills only.
Thanks for the report. It's always good to have a recap of top venues.
Granted there is a lot wanting on how this site is organized, but keep in mind it's a global site mostly organized by geography. A city or country specific sex site might have one thread called Scandallo where one can easily drill down on everything Scandallo.
There's no reason to get all salty about the responses you received. All the advice you have been given regarding reports of distinction, the advanced search feature, et cetera is often given to newbies. In fact, there might not be a venue that gets written up here as much as Scandallo.
As far as Sperto and others, they can be a bit impatient. However, we all get messaged regularly by others asking questions like where and how to get civilian girls. I just tell them if you don't have "game" back home don't bother. And it still takes work so you might be going home alone.I repeat what I mentioned on the Rio board. The more you send newbies to read high volumes of text and do searches, the higher prices YOU are going to pay in Scandalo.
Usually people don't take kindly to being lectured or send to do something. So you rest assured that most of them wouldn't heed to your suggestion. Nobody likes to be brushed off. That's called poisoning the well. Do you know how many PMs I got following me expressing unhappiness on the open forum from people that were blown off by being suggested to go and read up? 4. That's a lot.
One of the reasons prices go up is because newbies don't know any better. There is nothing worse for price gauging then to be arriving to the new country where everything is much much cheaper and not having a correct benchmark.
If, let's say, someone tries to give a newbie an unreasonably low benchmark in anticipation that that would help keep the ladies' rates down it would only make the situation worse. Once newbie feels that nobody accepts his offer, he'd just get frustrated and end up paying the girl's ask because it's still going to be dirt cheap compared to his Boston, Paris or Sydney. Because of that soon enough you'd be paying what he paid. The more newbies know the better it would be for the old timers in the long run. That's why I think sending people to read War and Peace and telling them to learn how to search is self-defeating and hurts all of us.
I repeat what I mentioned on the Rio board. The more you send newbies to read high volumes of text and do searches, the higher prices YOU are going to pay in Scandalo.
Usually people don't take kindly to being lectured or send to do something. So you rest assured that most of them wouldn't heed to your suggestion. Nobody likes to be brushed off. That's called poisoning the well. Do you know how many PMs I got following me expressing unhappiness on the open forum from people that were blown off by being suggested to go and read up? 4. That's a lot.
One of the reasons prices go up is because newbies don't know any better. There is nothing worse for price gauging then to be arriving to the new country where everything is much much cheaper and not having a correct benchmark.
If, let's say, someone tries to give a newbie an unreasonably low benchmark in anticipation that that would help keep the ladies' rates down it would only make the situation worse. Once newbie feels that nobody accepts his offer, he'd just get frustrated and end up paying the girl's ask because it's still going to be dirt cheap compared to his Boston, Paris or Sydney. Because of that soon enough you'd be paying what he paid. The more newbies know the better it would be for the old timers in the long run. That's why I think sending people to read War and Peace and telling them to learn how to search is self-defeating and hurts all of us.I'm one of those guys who writes long novels after each of my trips (currently finishing up my latest) it is filled with a plethora of info and insights.
If you fail to read and just ask random questions you really are doing a disservice to yourself as a newbie.
I answer PM members send me but usually they ask about something in my report and have good focused questions I don't mind answering.
Newbies generally won't speak or understand porto and don't know the lay of the land and little things like ATMs and so on.
So if you're already booking your flight and getting your airbnb or hotel it really falls on you to READ the reports so you get alot of good advice and intel about other things than just women like the fact that the seasons are the inverse because Brazil is on the other side of the equator and so SP becomes really cold after September so you better bring a jacket or get a airbnb or hotel like the grand hyatt with a heater to keep yourself warm or you're going to have a bad time.
As a newbie, they wouldn't even know to ask or think about something like that so if a newbie READS then he will be way better off because they will gather alot of useful info that will make their stay the best possible since it's a brave new world they are entering.
If a newbie spends $700 USD on a girl in SP for an hour session in scandallo (I've seen it happen) then so be it. Girls in SP know this is not normal but they'll take it that's for damn sure. The most expensive girl I can think of charges $400 USD for an hour. a friend of mine had a girl try to tell him that she meant 700USD instead of 700BRL when he was going to pay and he knew that was stupid and it was his first time in SP. I never got anything like that and usually i can get girls for 600BRL on a good day
I know some guys who are really well off that wouldn't pay a girl more than $500 USD for 3-5 hours.
So that newbie throwing down more dollars than sense will not last long and he will not affect anything other than some girls bank account and his own.
A newbies bad spending habits isn't going to rock south america's financial capital and largest city suffice to say.
What it ultimately comes down to, is how that newbie's experience is going to be. Usually when they don't read they have a subpar experience and think we're all crazy for signing such praise to SP.
Going back in November for my 7th trip and will be reading all the reports til then in case things change or interesting intel comes in.
The Critic
05-17-23, 07:48
I repeat what I mentioned on the Rio board. The more you send newbies to read high volumes of text and do searches, the higher prices YOU are going to pay in Scandalo.
Usually people don't take kindly to being lectured or send to do something. So you rest assured that most of them wouldn't heed to your suggestion. Nobody likes to be brushed off. That's called poisoning the well. Do you know how many PMs I got following me expressing unhappiness on the open forum from people that were blown off by being suggested to go and read up? 4. That's a lot.
One of the reasons prices go up is because newbies don't know any better. There is nothing worse for price gauging then to be arriving to the new country where everything is much much cheaper and not having a correct benchmark.
If, let's say, someone tries to give a newbie an unreasonably low benchmark in anticipation that that would help keep the ladies' rates down it would only make the situation worse. Once newbie feels that nobody accepts his offer, he'd just get frustrated and end up paying the girl's ask because it's still going to be dirt cheap compared to his Boston, Paris or Sydney. Because of that soon enough you'd be paying what he paid. The more newbies know the better it would be for the old timers in the long run. That's why I think sending people to read War and Peace and telling them to learn how to search is self-defeating and hurts all of us.Are you expecting members to "Spoon Feed" information to Newbies because they can't be bothered to read past reports and feelings get hurt when members say RTFF. BS on that mentality. There are members who have written lengthy informative post whether they be first timers or seasoned travelers, some are featured in ROD section. Why can't someone do some due diligence and read reports that in most cases answer questions prior to asking said question.
I have notice lately that members are answering questions by just referencing old posts. Therefore by inference, "If you just read or searched you would have found the answer",here is the answer via old post. (Which is a good practice)
When I started out, I did not ask any questions. I did serious due diligence by reading a full years' worth of posts prior to my first trip. I found it time well spent and had a great time on the ground running.
When you ask for help, you don't get to dictate how the answer is delivered.
The more you send newbies to "learn and search", the higher prices you're going to pay in Scandalo.
Na, I don't care how much "a fool and his money are soon parted" when in Scandallo or any other Mongering hot spot for that matter, If they can't be bothered to read old post and ascertaining prevailing pricing, not my problem. And at no time will I ever care about pricing, I pay what I'm going to pay no matter what the prevailing economy dictates. I have a budget and I stick to it even If (which has never happened) have to tell a GDP to take a walk because of an inflated sense of self-worth. I dictate what value is, and yes, my pockets are deep.
Yes, "Guide" is in the title isn't it?Oustanding! and good commentary.
FWIW, remember: "Search is your Friend" .
I concur. Try it you may like it!
I repeat what I mentioned on the Rio board. The more you send newbies to read high volumes of text and do searches, the higher prices YOU are going to pay ....I have thought about this. It has merit but I am still not sure this is true.
I don't know why members spending so much debating, instead of just using the time to simply answer a question. It seems much more effective because the arguing does not work.
From newbie's perspective, it's first time and that's why they are new. From senior members' view, it's repetitive but I don't see how it helps.
Brazil is on the other side of the equator and so SP becomes really cold after September so you better bring a jacket or get a airbnb or hotel like the grand hyatt with a heater to keep yourself warm or you're going to have a bad time.I suppose you meant to say it gets warmer after September.
Anyone in SP and free this evening to grab a drink? I am thinking of heading to Scandallo to check out the talent. I may not hobby since I was drained from my flight in and by a provider last night LOL.
I have thought about this. It has merit but I am still not sure this is true.
I don't know why members spending so much debating, instead of just using the time to simply answer a question. It seems much more effective because the arguing does not work.
From newbie's perspective, it's first time and that's why they are new. From senior members' view, it's repetitive but I don't see how it helps.You know I was just thinking before all this someone really should write up another report on Scandallo.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not mocking you. You have written up some great reports on Sao Paulo. Thank you.
I'm just kind of bewildered like some others on how can it be difficult to find info on Scandallo. It seems like there is a fresh Scandallo report every week from a member.
I'm one of those guys who writes long novels after each of my trips (currently finishing up my latest) it is filled with a plethora of info and insights.
If you fail to read and just ask random questions you really are doing a disservice to yourself as a newbie.
I answer PM members send me but usually they ask about something in my report and have good focused questions I don't mind answering.
Newbies generally won't speak or understand porto and don't know the lay of the land and little things like ATMs and so on.
So if you're already booking your flight and getting your airbnb or hotel it really falls on you to READ the reports so you get alot of good advice and intel about other things than just women like the fact that the seasons are the inverse because Brazil is on the other side of the equator and so SP becomes really cold after September so you better bring a jacket or get a airbnb or hotel like the grand hyatt with a heater to keep yourself warm or you're going to have a bad time.
As a newbie, they wouldn't even know to ask or think about something like that so if a newbie READS then he will be way better off because they will gather alot of useful info that will make their stay the best possible since it's a brave new world they are entering..That's fine. It's your decision. I made my point. I still think telling newbies to go and read up in the end would boomerang on you but you can take it or leave it.
I will agree with you on one thing though. I too would often ignore when people ask me general questions. Sometimes it could even get me into a facetious mood. Somebody just PMed me: "I saw you went to Scandalo. How was it?" I responded with "It was good". Haven't heard from him again yet.
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