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01-01-06, 01:00
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Dapanz 1
01-02-06, 19:03
"You truly visiting the finest area with the finest and most honest women in the western hemisphere and with the cleanist and most modern city in all of the americas. Oh I forgot how beautiful Avenida Central is, especially when comparing it to Cartagena and Rio. Maybe we should send the mayors of NY,LA, Chicago and Miami, to study san jose's outstanding infrastructure and urban planning."

You must be stoned.

dapanz1

Dapanz 1
01-03-06, 00:36
"Maybe we should send the mayors of NY, LA, Chicago and Miami, to study San Jose's outstanding infrastructure and urban planning."

You must be stoned.

dapanz1

MJG Dogs
01-04-06, 21:53
"Maybe we should send the mayors of NY, LA, Chicago and Miami, to study San Jose's outstanding infrastructure and urban planning."

You must be stoned.

dapanz1

dapanz

It is parody........

We both know San Jose is a shithole........

Prolijo
01-05-06, 02:39
Maybe we should send the mayors of NY, LA, Chicago and Miami, to study Cartagena's and Rio's outstanding record on violent crime and pickpocketing. Every place has its pluses and minuses and no place is perfect. SJ is a bit of a pit but compared to nearly every other Central American capital it is positively civilized and as others have already pointed out. Most of the million plus tourists that go to CR each year don't go for attractions in SJ (except perhaps for perverts like us) but they do go for the multitude of attractions in the nearby countryside much of which can be visited in day trips from SJ (that is assuming you can venture outside of the artificially self-imposed confines of the HDR/BM or the marginally less limited Gringo Gulch).

MJG Dogs
01-05-06, 06:40
Maybe we should send the mayors of NY, LA, Chicago and Miami, to study Coartagena's and Rio's outstanding record on violent crime and pickpocketing. Every place has its pluses and minuses and no place is perfect. SJ is a bit of a pit but compared to nearly every other Central American capital it is positively civilized and as others have already pointed out. Most of the million plus tourists that go to CR each year don't go for attractions in SJ (except perhaps for perverts like us) but they do go for the multitude of attractions in the nearby countryside much of which can be visited in day trips from SJ (that is assuming you can venture outside of the artificially self-imposed confines of the HDR/BM or the marginally less limited Gringo Gulch).

I never said Costa Rica was a shithole, only san Jose, I actually like Quepos, Puerto Viejo and tamarindo, jaco is so-so.

Cartagena has very little violent crime, especially against tourists. I would rather have the Colombian military patrolling the streets than the cops in san jose. I feel a lot safer in cartagena at night than in San Jose, Also Cartagena is much cleaner.

Also I am willing to bet that all the american cities mentioned above, with maybe the exception of Chicago, have higher homicide rates than CTG

Have to agree with you on Rio, though, things are getting bad in Rio.

Braves41
01-05-06, 22:54
After returning from San Jose, I have had some time to reflect on my trip. I must say that I was not overly impressed with the overall monger experience. I have traveled to Rio and the Dominican Republic on several occasions, and the San Jose experience was not on the same level.

I did research the scene before the trip, but I was shocked at the lack of the GEF with the ticas. I was able to get most of the ticas in the Del Rey to except $50 for the hours, but the sex was just going through the motions. The girls seemed to be very cold and not hustling to make their money, unlike the girls from Rio and the Dominican Republic.

As an African American in my 30's clean cut and in great shape, I seemed to feel that the ticas prefered white men. Hey, I may be wronge, but that was what I felt at the time. I also visited several MP's, and the service was so so at best. I did have a great experience at the Sportsmen Lodge. The service was the best that I have experience in my travels.

I don't think that I was visit Costa Rica again anytime soon.

Prolijo
01-06-06, 05:15
Cartagena is safe because of strict law enforcement to protect the tourism industry there, but you can't really venture beyond Cartagena's city limits to enjoy the Colombian countryside like you can from SJ.

But all of this just misses my point. Which was "what's your point?" So SJ doesn't take any medals in "urban planning", whatever that is supposed to mean. So Avenida Central is not the most "elegant" thoroughfare in Latin America. So there are a lot of touts and hustlers and diesel fumes. Last time I looked there was plenty of those things so in any other developing country capital (in many cases more so) and there is even a fair share of it in your beloved cities as well. And even IF SJ has more than its own share on those measures, who around here goes to CR to admire the architecture in SJ. The fact is that, beyond basic mongering, I find there is far more to do as an easy day trip from SJ (and still make it back for mongering in the evening) than there is in any of the other cities you've mentioned. And, IMHO, that is is a perfectly valid counterargument to those of you who seem to be hung up on the city limits of SJ or even the walls of th HDR/BM. Besides, a "glass-half-empty" perspective, sarcasm and ridicule aimed at other members here ("pasty paunchy bellies") does not add favorably to the discussion.

Put your comments in context of the discussion that lead up to it.

Is San Jose overrated? I was there for a week and I didn't see one single good looking girl in Blue Marlin. I wouldn't rate any of them higher than 7. Girls at New Fantasy, Eros, Zona Blue were unfuckable for my taste but I found one fine cuttie at Idem and it was an hour of non-stop GFE session for $43. Most of BM girls agreed to $60 but I couldn't degrade myself to fuck these OK looking girls. San Jose is the most boring city I've ever visited.... there are absolutely nothing to do and see in San Jose. Avoid San Jose!" Clearly that poster, back from his first short visit to CR (and probably anywhere outside the US form the sound of it) had not bothered to get very far outside the Gulch and yet he somehow thinks that makes him qualified to write-off CR altogether. He went on to say "You need to get out of San Jose to do fun stuff. There's absolutely nothing to do in San Jose" So what's so hard about getting out of the city for the day? Do they have anything like what they have outside of SJ near his city in the US? I doubt it.

As for his evaluation of the chicas, I'll be the first to agree that there are an increasingly large number of dogs plying the BM, but "not ONE SINGLE girl higher than a 7"?!? And calling the major MP girls almost universally "unfuckable" and that he wouldn't "degrade himself" to fuck one of them? What does that comment say about his view of all the rest of us who don't see it as "degrading"? That was incredibly insulting. I'd have to think that either this guy is so stuck-up he never gets laid or is really gay. More likely, what he considers higher standards is really just different tastes (e.g. some guys actually prefer gordos while others like skinny chested waifs). Besides, where else could a guy find an hour of non-stop GFE with a fine cutie north of SJ for $43?

Frankly, I think this guy's real problem is that he was too lazy or ignorant to do his own homework. Any casual review of the photo section here would have given him a clear idea ahead of time of the general level of talent in CR. And yet he was surprised by what he found? Besides, from what I've seen of the pictures in the other sections, SJ has no monopoly on girls that I'd consider dogs. If he had done his homework he'd already have known that the BM is not the place to look for non-hardened chicas and if you do you have to seriously pre-screen. He failed to do that and when he figured out too late he picked a clunker, what does he do? Give her $30 and send her on her way without her having to do a thing. I'd be very surprised if this guy has mongered internationally before much if at all and is the last one to lecture on "how to compare and rate girls"

The next character didn't do much better.
My impression of the del ray was also very bad..... Also I am not interested in search around san jose and go to places off the beaten path meant for the locals. Perhaps better women can be found there.... I have been to multiple third worlds, but San Jose seemed to be the most barbaric society out of them all. ....Was only there 2 nights and sick of it by the end. Would not repeat.I'm not going to argue with his impression of the Del Rey, but isn't this the same guy who posted this just 6 weeks earlier:
Guys, I have to go against conventional wisdom here. I highly recommend just staying in the Del Ray.Again, its all about taking responsibility and doing your homework. In this case, this guy knew what the conventional wisdom was and chose to ignore it. Not only that but after staying in the HDR and "highly recommend[ing] just staying in the Del Ray[sic]" he suddenly turns around after 1 negative post 6 weeks later and says the place is "very bad"? Which was it? I'm sorry but he sounds a little schizo on this subject. At least he apparently has more international mongering experience to base his opinion on but his evaluation is based on a incredibly brief one time two day visit to SJ during which if he didn't spend nearly all of his limited time in the HDR he didn't venture off the the most well trodden path where one is most likely to run into the most hardened chicas.

And finally, to complete my critique of his ridiculous post, calling SJ the most barbaric society of multiple 3rd worlds would be blatantly absurd if he just looked around some of those other places he's been. TJ is far worse than SJ on the crime and security front. Colombia is a country fractured by civil war, narco-traffickers, kidnappings and one of the highest murder rates in the western hemisphere. And Rio is renowned for its pickpockets and the crime that goes on in the ramshackle favelas just a few blocks behind the gleaming beachfront buildings.

I'm not trying to trash Rio or any of those other places. In fact, I really like Rio and would go there every weekend if not for the long and expensive flight. However, just as I don't write Rio off because it doesn't stack up on certain measures, others shouldn't write SJ off just because its not perfect in every way.

Coquí
01-06-06, 06:58
I agree that SJ is not the shangri la of mongering. There are many other locations with cheaper and better looking girls but I agree 100% with Chase Star. Believe me, I do not mind " degrading myself " spending time with the girls of SJ. With the proximity to the US, the easy & cheap flight schedules, and the prices and availability of mongering activities is the place for me. I have visited Colombia, Venzuela, Dominican Republic, Mexico among others. Have not been able to make it to Brazil or Argentina but for now my playground of choice is SJ.

Happy huntings......

MJG Dogs
01-06-06, 08:56
After returning from San Jose, I have had some time to reflect on my trip. I must say that I was not overly impressed with the overall monger experience. I have traveled to Rio and the Dominican Republic on several occasions, and the San Jose experience was not on the same level.

I did research the scene before the trip, but I was shocked at the lack of the GEF with the ticas. I was able to get most of the ticas in the Del Rey to except $50 for the hours, but the sex was just going through the motions. The girls seemed to be very cold and not hustling to make their money, unlike the girls from Rio and the Dominican Republic.

As an African American in my 30's clean cut and in great shape, I seemed to feel that the ticas prefered white men. Hey, I may be wronge, but that was what I felt at the time. I also visited several MP's, and the service was so so at best. I did have a great experience at the Sportsmen Lodge. The service was the best that I have experience in my travels.

I don't think that I was visit Costa Rica again anytime soon.


Braves- Most women do not care about white , or black, yellow or brown

They care about Green.........and like Ben Franklin...........

Johnny Sax
01-06-06, 10:58
I have been to CR about 8 times, even lived there for a while in the 90's.
Last time I was there was about 2 years ago, and it was my first time visiting the massage parlors, Zona Blue and New Fantasy I think it was called. Loved New Fantasy at the time, they had some super cute and nice girls there. But it closed shortly after that.... and then it was reported here that it re-opened again...

So is New Fantasy open again now? And if so how is it? Is Zona Blue still the more upscale place with best looking girls of the two? How much is Zona Blue these days for an hour?

How is Idem? Still good? Like I say, it's been 2 years since I've been there, and am looking for recent feedback...

Where's the best place to get 2 girls at once for under $100?

Any good cheap little places that aren't too dirty or dangerous?

Okay, enough questions... you get the picture... And you WILL get the picture, when I return from my trip, I will post some in the Photos area! So what's the latest scoop on San Jose mongering?

Oh, I remember a little place called Club Monaco that was like $20 for a room upstairs and I had one fine little Nica there. Is this club still around and decent? How about the little Zona Roja places, 747 etc..?

Johnny Sax
01-06-06, 11:13
Is San Jose overrated? I was there for a week and I didn't see one single good looking girl in Blue Marlin. I wouldn't rate any of them higher than 7. Girls at New Fantasy, Eros, Zona Blue were unfuckable for my taste but I found one fine cuttie at Idem and it was an hour of non-stop GFE session for $43. Most of BM girls agreed to $60 but I couldn't degrade myself to fuck these OK looking girls. On top of that, San Jose is the most boring city I've ever visited. There are quite a few attractive girls on the streets but there are absolutely nothing to do and see in San Jose. Avoid San Jose!

Either you have very different tastes than most guys I know, or you went on a very off night to these places, or else you are looking for tall thin model types only...?

The Blue Marlin on any given night has what? 100 or so girls? And you're saying that not one good looking girl was in there??? On any given night I could find at least 20 girls that I'd love to spend an hour with in my hotel room, or hell, even take to the beach for a night or two!

As for Zona Blue and New Fantasy, when I was there last I saw about 1 in 5 of the girls at NF who were 8+ and 2 in 5 at ZB that were 8-9+. Most of the rest were at least 6's and 7's.

So, fine, stay out of San Jose' and go to Rio. To each his own. Just watch your wallet and hope you don't get mugged and robbed in Rio, and watch out for the she-males.

Vulcanizer
01-06-06, 20:01
Sorry guys, but not impressed with the chicas!

I'm not here to pick fights or to slander your tastes, ok?

But looking through your photos, it seems your picking up some very UN 21/22 year olds?

MJG Dogs
01-06-06, 20:59
Either you have very different tastes than most guys I know, or you went on a very off night to these places, or else you are looking for tall thin model types only...?

The Blue Marlin on any given night has what? 100 or so girls? And you're saying that not one good looking girl was in there??? On any given night I could find at least 20 girls that I'd love to spend an hour with in my hotel room, or hell, even take to the beach for a night or two!

As for Zona Blue and New Fantasy, when I was there last I saw about 1 in 5 of the girls at NF who were 8+ and 2 in 5 at ZB that were 8-9+. Most of the rest were at least 6's and 7's.

So, fine, stay out of San Jose' and go to Rio. To each his own. Just watch your wallet and hope you don't get mugged and robbed in Rio, and watch out for the she-males.


Take a late night stroll in Parque Morazon and you will see plenty of she-males.

Also if you get mugged in San jose do not expect to get any help from the policia, let alone the people in the streets. They deep down Resent us and despise us. That is my opinion based on living and working in Cr for about a year and visiting CR 12 times in the past. Live there for a while, and you will understand the resentment. They love our money..., not us....

Member # 3881 has a right to speak and in most cases I agree with him. The Pink Palace( Del Rey) is a hit or miss. Sometimes good, sometimes not so good.

Braves #41 also has a right to voice his opinion

Jesus, what started off as parody, about san jose's infrastructure, sure hit a few nerves..Lighten up.

NastyBoy
01-06-06, 23:23
Johnny Sax:

Currently recommending Oasis and Veronica's .... both very near each other in the Paseo Colon area. Both half of what you pay at Zona Blue. I think Veronica's ambience is better than Oasis. But the girls are better looking at Oasis in my opinion.

ZB seems to me to be going downhill very fast. A week or so ago the quality of the girls wasn't so hot.

NB

Johnny Sax
01-07-06, 08:13
Take a late night stroll in Parque Morazon and you will see plenty of she-males.

Also if you get mugged in San jose do not expect to get any help from the policia, let alone the people in the streets. They deep down Resent us and despise us. That is my opinion based on living and working in Cr for about a year and visiting CR 12 times in the past. Live there for a while, and you will understand the resentment. They love our money..., not us....

Member # 3881 has a right to speak and in most cases I agree with him. The Pink Palace( Del Rey) is a hit or miss. Sometimes good, sometimes not so good.

Braves #41 also has a right to voice his opinion

Jesus, what started off as parody, about san jose's infrastructure, sure hit a few nerves..Lighten up.


Yes, there are she-males in San Jose, too, but Rio is kind of known to be a shemale mecca. I was just saying, if you go there, be careful, that's all: a word of caution, no big deal.

Actually I HAVE lived in CR for about a year, and visited about 10 times, myself, so I do know what I'm talking about. Maybe it depends on the attitude you put out. I have always had very positive experiences there, even with pros. And most of the people there have been very helpful and kind to me.

But yes, there is a growing resentment of gringos buying their land and "perverting" their culture and causing some inflation. On the other hand, there are many Ticos who realize we bring lots of work and thus money to them, and improve their lives by doing so. It's a double-edged sword.

I agree that #3881 and #41 and you have the right to speak. I don't think anyone is questioning that. But if you come on a board of mostly FANS of San Jose's women, and post that the women there are not attractive, etc., you should expect to find some people objecting to those statements, and voicing THEIR differing opinions. I voiced mine.

Barefoot67
01-07-06, 13:50
Yes, I did find some ok looking girls at 6-7 but did you find any 9's like other deceiving mongers claim? You sound like you've traveled extensively but I'm curious as to why you still haven't figured out how to compare and rate girls.I do know how to travel and rate girls. From my experience in CR, I had a much better time with girls who spoke no english.They were not hardened pros. The european women look more like north Americans. In russia , you can arrange at least several hours for $50.00 not in CR. As far as looks I would have to say Russians 8-9, Costa Ricans 6-8. As far as performance Russians 8-9, Costa Ricans 6-8 (although I had some good sessions).

Why do I think Costa Rica is a better deal? A hell of a lot cheaper to fly down there for 5 days. Spanish is much easier to learn than Russian. Its alot cheaper to stay in CR than eastern europe. Can't comment on the safety although I was able to walk anywhere in a city of 8 million people at night with no problem. would not do that in San Jose.

for those who wanna bad mouth Costa Rica. go somewhere else. let each traveler experience his own. I had a great time and will go back again. I do like being abroad, I do like the local cultures and learning the local languages, and interacting with local people. I do not travel abroad to be around a bunch of Americans (although it is fun to hang out with one at night).

I have seen alot of people on this board bad mouth san jose and CR. True san jose is somewhat dirty and seedy in places. Its central america what did you expect. Go and experience it. do a little research first . most of you will have a good time.

Vulcanizer
01-07-06, 20:15
Nice words Barefoot67!

Couldnt agree more, dont know if some of your last post was aimed at me?
I was in SJ well must be near 6 years ago now, and found the quality of chicas exceptional. There was 1 club sorry dont remember the name, but the quality was awsome, young, freshish!!, and not the prices ive seen here. You could take them to the side of the dance floor and they'd do a strip for you, a little extra and they'd take you to a seperate room for an hour+!! I'll look back through my starlog and see if i can find the name of the joint. Had a great time in Jkta before n/year so off there to post. Happy new year y'all.

Mr Jetsetter
01-08-06, 00:26
My condolences to those mongers who weren't able to find a decent-looking woman to spend some time with and thus concluded San Jose is a lousy mongering destination. It sure ain't Rio or Buenos Aires or Bangkok, but you can have a hell of a good time there with some very attractive ladies. I'm attaching a couple of photos I did not take of two Kamur ladies I enjoyed multiple sessions with. Yes, I paid too much by CR standards and Club Kamur is no longer one of my favorite destinations, but Roxana and Sabrina rank pretty high on my all-time "favorites" list, compiled from visits to a number of international destinations.

Dr Pureness
01-09-06, 06:19
My condolences to those mongers who weren't able to find a decent-looking woman to spend some time with and thus concluded San Jose is a lousy mongering destination. It sure ain't Rio or Buenos Aires or Bangkok, but you can have a hell of a good time there with some very attractive ladies. I'm attaching a couple of photos I did not take of two Kamur ladies I enjoyed multiple sessions with. Yes, I paid too much by CR standards and Club Kamur is no longer one of my favorite destinations, but Roxana and Sabrina rank pretty high on my all-time "favorites" list, compiled from visits to a number of international destinations.Terrible looking girls. I would give Roxana a 7.5 and Sabrina is only a 5.5. Even with the help of photoshop software touch, they still don't look that good and I'm sure they look worse when you see them in person.

My condolences to those mongers who found those ugly looking girls pretty hot and thus concluded SJ is a fantastic mongering destiantion.

Mr Jetsetter
01-10-06, 01:54
Member #3831,
Please bless us ignorant souls with some actual photos of at least one of the hot women you have dallied with, so that we may all learn to adjust our rating system to more closely conform to your unimpeachable standards of beauty.

By the way, both Roxana and Sabrina actually looked better in person, especially Sabrina, who is actually not at all photogenic.

Prolijo
01-10-06, 03:46
terrible looking girls. i would give roxana a 7.5 and sabrina is only a 5.5. even with the help of photoshop software touch, they still don't look that good and i'm sure they look worse when you see them in person.

my condolences to those mongers who found those ugly looking girls pretty hot and thus concluded sj is a fantastic mongering destiantion.i'd normally be the first one to say any has a right to express their own opinion. i'm also willing to admit there is at least a small bit of validity in some of the negative opinions of cr expressed recently. some guys do vastly over-rate cr (note: that in no way means that the exact opposite of what they say is true). the place is not perfect. some other places are better in some ways. the hdr does have a fair share of bow-wows and those that aren't total bow-wows (and even many of the bow-wows) are often hardened non-gfe types.

that said, cr has those other places beat in other ways. no place is perfect, not cr, not rio, not cartagena nor anywhere else. what's best for one person with their circumstances, preferences and priorities may not be best for the next guy with a different set of preferences. and to totally trash a place because it didn't satisfy one's own personal standards is at least as ridiculous as other guys blindly over-rating that place. it might be a different story if we were talking about some place that the vast majority of people would agree was a complete shithole, like port au prince haiti (i've been there more times than i care to remember and believe me you don't want to go there). but, with so many people raving about cr, it must at least have something going for it.

the hdr also has plenty of chicas that most rational guys would rate at least a 7 and not all of them are hard cases. besides, any cr vet will tell you that the hdr is not the only or even the best place to do your hunting in cr. and, imho, any who can't find at least an acceptable looking girl with a decent attitude in cr, either: a) has ridiculously high standards that probably couldn't be met anywhere, b) did not know what they were doing and just picked out the wrong girls or restricted themselves to the more common places that are frequented by other ignorant newbies and the chicas that have learned how to prey on those type guys or c) was just unlucky in their first short visit and should go back to learn what they did wrong before drawing any hasty conclusions. in the first case, they've got a problem of their own making, but in the latter two cases, without any patronizing or condescension, they deserve our sincere condolences for what they missed out on. and i'm sure that's the way jetsetter meant it. it should also be pointed out that its not like js is one of those guys who fail to acknowledge where other places surpass cr.

but lets look a little closer at 3831.
you sound like you've traveled extensively but i'm curious as to why you still haven't figured out how to compare and rate girls. he questions the judgement of a guy who, unlike him, has actually been around enough places to actually make informed evaluations. in fact, he seems to be questioning everyone's judgement but his own. he's virtually alone in his judgement and yet he's convinced that it is all the rest of us with distorted standards. that doesn't make much sense to me.
my condolences to those mongers who found those ugly looking girls pretty hot and thus concluded sj is a fantastic mongering destiantion.
i couldn't degrade myself to fuck these ok looking girls. (you know, all the ones that all the rest of us seem to have no problem degrading ourselves with)unlike js, who was sorry that he couldn't seem to find the thing that all the rest of us can, or being happy for us that, in his view, we can so be so easily pleased and leaving it at that, he makes yet another in a series of comments condescending comments.

who is this guy? aside from one post in the turkey photo section commenting on someone else's photo submission, he has posted only here in the cr section. once before his trip asking a generic question that belied his ignorance and this more recent series of posts bitching about his experiences and insulting anyone else that manages to have a good time down there. if he said he'd never return to cr, why does he keep coming back to this forum to make these inflammatory posts that will never convince anyone around here that it is anything more than sour grapes or one isolated and fucked up viewpoint. if he thinks he can find girls that are so much better looking than the ones that can be found in cr (and i'm not talking about highpriced american callgirls, non-gfe types or pics of girls he's never really been with that were swiped from other guy's posts). its easy to throw stones, but not so easy to come up with something better.

expressing a contrary opinion is fine, but this guy is starting to look more and more like a troll.

Mr Jetsetter
01-10-06, 08:14
As Jaimito Cartero so eloquently said in his 12/31/05 post:
The whole "My favorite mongering place is great, while yours is shit" is just a waste of time for everyone involved. There are good and bad things about everywhere. Concentrate on finding the good stuff, share with all the fellow mongers, and everyone (except for the chicas with crappy service) prosper.[/QUOTE]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, however negative they may be. But these opinions can easily be given in a way that is sensitive to this audience and doesn't blatantly imply that ISG members are ignorant for enjoying their sojourns to San Jose, or that they essentially don't have good taste in women. I commend Chase Star for his recent summaries of the pros and cons of San Jose and CR, and the recent drift of the comments on this board.

Over the last 30 years, I have been lucky enough to have done quite a bit of travelling and have mongered in a number of places around the world: e.g., Prague, Amsterdam, Buenos Aires, Curacao, Indonesia. I never went to any of these places just to monger. I went to Prague because it is a stunningly beautiful city with awesome architecture and awesome beer halls. I went to Amsterdam to sample the coffee shops and ambience btween visits to some private apartments. I went to Curacao (five times) to scuba dive by day and monger by night at the fabulous Campo Alegre. I went to Indonesia to dive and trek. My point is that I like to go to places that have multiple things to offer, and I STRONGLY feel that San Jose meets this key criterion. I had an absolute blast during my two trips last year, indulging in such delightful activities as rafting the Pacuare, playing Texas Hold-em at the Horseshoe, smoking a Cuban at Zona Blue after getting it on with two honies in the big room with the big bed, soaking up the fabulous atmosphere at the Sportsmen's Lodge, walking the half-block to Cafe Mundo for a GREAT meal on one of their two patios, taking an overnight trip to the beautiful beaches a few kilometers south of Jaco, people-watching at the Blue Marlin.

Armed with the proper attitude and a little knowledge of the local scene, I don't see how anyone could not have a great time in this area. Frankly, this is why I find the harsh negativity in some of these recent posts somewhat mindboggling!

Willy 1
01-10-06, 08:40
Terrible looking girls. I would give Roxana a 7.5 and Sabrina is only a 5.5. Even with the help of photoshop software touch, they still don't look that good and I'm sure they look worse when you see them in person.

My condolences to those mongers who found those ugly looking girls pretty hot and thus concluded SJ is a fantastic mongering destiantion.



Meet Roxana and Sabrina in person before you rate them........Those numbers 7.5 and 5.5 are very low, some ladies the camera is just not good to.......

I would rate Roxana a 9 and Sabrina a 7.5 personally.......

I am also a very experienced monger as I have visited Amsterdam, CR and South America in my travellings over the past decade....

Dr Pureness
01-10-06, 09:14
My point is that I like to go to places that have multiple things to offer I agree with you 100% and the sad fact is that San Jose doesn't meet this key criterion. There's absolutely nothing to do in San Jose and people who have visited there unanimously say San Jose doesn't have one unique thing that other places don't offer. You'll find the same McDonalds, KFC, grocery stores, and shoe shops that you would normally find in any other cities around the world.


I had an absolute blast during my two trips last year, indulging in such delightful activities as rafting, smoking a Cuban at Zona Blue, soaking up the fabulous atmosphere at the Sportsmen's Lodge, walking the half-block to Cafe Mundo for a GREAT meal on one of their two patios, people-watching at the Blue Marlin.Rafting in San Jose? Were you rafting in the hotel swimming pool? I don't think you were smoking a Cuban at Zona Blue. You were smoking something strong!!!

Why would anyone want to spend hundreds of dollars to fly to San Jose to smoke a Cuban cigar and eat some meal on a patio? You can literally do the same stuff in the states without having to spend a whopping $1000 on flight tickets + hotel.

Costa Ricans are very friendly but as you just pointed out, San Jose is not a good mongering destination as they don't offer any unique things and most importantly the girls are too far from attractive.

I rest my case.

MJG Dogs
01-10-06, 09:47
i'd normally be the first one to say any has a right to express their own opinion. i'm also willing to admit there is at least a small bit of validity in some of the negative opinions of cr expressed recently. some guys do vastly over-rate cr (note: that in no way means that the exact opposite of what they say is true). the place is not perfect. some other places are better in some ways. the hdr does have a fair share of bow-wows and those that aren't total bow-wows (and even many of the bow-wows) are often hardened non-gfe types.

that said, cr has those other places beat in other ways. no place is perfect, not cr, not rio, not cartagena nor anywhere else. what's best for one person with their circumstances, preferences and priorities may not be best for the next guy with a different set of preferences. and to totally trash a place because it didn't satisfy one's own personal standards is at least as ridiculous as other guys blindly over-rating that place. it might be a different story if we were talking about some place that the vast majority of people would agree was a complete shithole, like port au prince haiti (i've been there more times than i care to remember and believe me you don't want to go there). but, with so many people raving about cr, it must at least have something going for it.

the hdr also has plenty of chicas that most rational guys would rate at least a 7 and not all of them are hard cases. besides, any cr vet will tell you that the hdr is not the only or even the best place to do your hunting in cr. and, imho, any who can't find at least an acceptable looking girl with a decent attitude in cr, either: a) has ridiculously high standards that probably couldn't be met anywhere, b) did not know what they were doing and just picked out the wrong girls or restricted themselves to the more common places that are frequented by other ignorant newbies and the chicas that have learned how to prey on those type guys or c) was just unlucky in their first short visit and should go back to learn what they did wrong before drawing any hasty conclusions. in the first case, they've got a problem of their own making, but in the latter two cases, without any patronizing or condescension, they deserve our sincere condolences for what they missed out on. and i'm sure that's the way jetsetter meant it. it should also be pointed out that its not like js is one of those guys who fail to acknowledge where other places surpass cr.

but lets look a little closer at 3831. he questions the judgement of a guy who, unlike him, has actually been around enough places to actually make informed evaluations. in fact, he seems to be questioning everyone's judgement but his own. he's virtually alone in his judgement and yet he's convinced that it is all the rest of us with distorted standards. that doesn't make much sense to me.unlike js, who was sorry that he couldn't seem to find the thing that all the rest of us can, or being happy for us that, in his view, we can so be so easily pleased and leaving it at that, he makes yet another in a series of comments condescending comments.

who is this guy? aside from one post in the turkey photo section commenting on someone else's photo submission, he has posted only here in the cr section. once before his trip asking a generic question that belied his ignorance and this more recent series of posts bitching about his experiences and insulting anyone else that manages to have a good time down there. if he said he'd never return to cr, why does he keep coming back to this forum to make these inflammatory posts that will never convince anyone around here that it is anything more than sour grapes or one isolated and fucked up viewpoint. if he thinks he can find girls that are so much better looking than the ones that can be found in cr (and i'm not talking about highpriced american callgirls, non-gfe types or pics of girls he's never really been with that were swiped from other guy's posts). its easy to throw stones, but not so easy to come up with something better.

expressing a contrary opinion is fine, but this guy is starting to look more and more like a troll.

i agree, # 3881 has a right to express his opinion, in the case he is a little harsh, one girl is a 7 , i like the one with the pigtails better, give her a 7.875

well stated post, even though i do not agree with some of the opinions of the pro-san jose crowd. smoking a cuban, playing cards, with some annoying chica hanging on your shoulder, wanting you to buy them a drink or leave with them( your playing cards dammit, concentrate on winning) and hanging out with a bunch of gringos at the pink palace gets boring, except in football season, ( especially jan 3, 2005- usc 55 oklahoma 19, you could hear a pin drop in parts of the dr) when one can go to the colonial and relax and watch five games at once . i need diversion, and warm weather and clean air and the ocean and much more laid back chicas, thus i have a perference for cartagena.

in my opinion the biggest negative i have against the pink palace, is the hardened attitudes of the chicas. there are some nice gems to be found, but man the night crew in the dr, are too hardcore, the colombiana cartel also has scared off some of the newer girls. afternoons in the pink palace, in my opinion are much better. key largo is better in my opinion for finding nicer chicas at night

i think what happens is that most first time mongers go to the dr, at night, fall prey to the mafiosa in there, and pay too much, for mediocre or bad service, and then on top of that , to be constantly hassled by the beggars, con-man, oscar ( hey man need anything), and all of that bullshit, can leave a bad taste in one's mouth. newbies get ripped off by the mafiosa, i mean $ 100 for one pop, shame on the chica the first time, shame on the monger the second time, $50-60 in my opinion is enough, also stupid newbie pays for taxi for chica.. after chica uses his bathroom, to freshen and lube up for next trick. think dummy.

it would be smart for a newbie, to go to the pink palace to observe first. just sit back and watch how the game is played for a few days, meanwhile newbie should go to places like zona blue and oasis( which is in my opinion a great value) beforehand, to take care of his biological needs. the reason is that he will know what the score is, will be able to pick his chica, without any bullshit, and with a little game and being nice to the chica, will get good service. i never had a bad experience at oasis, and had only one bad time at zb. nighttime one can also go to idem.

i do agree with the guy who mentioned cafe mundo. great atmosphere, with the right chica( not a nightime dr girl).

ok , enough of my tome, opinons are like assholes, everyone has one.

Johnny Sax
01-11-06, 01:18
My condolences to those mongers who weren't able to find a decent-looking woman to spend some time with and thus concluded San Jose is a lousy mongering destination. It sure ain't Rio or Buenos Aires or Bangkok, but you can have a hell of a good time there with some very attractive ladies. I'm attaching a couple of photos I did not take of two Kamur ladies I enjoyed multiple sessions with. Yes, I paid too much by CR standards and Club Kamur is no longer one of my favorite destinations, but Roxana and Sabrina rank pretty high on my all-time "favorites" list, compiled from visits to a number of international destinations.
I'd give Roxana an 8. Very sexy!

Willy 1
01-12-06, 02:23
I'd give Roxana an 8. Very sexy!

And that is not even her best photo........

Green Giant
01-13-06, 16:27
I have not been in CR for a couple of years. I have enjoyed the HDR and some of the other places in the past. I do agree with the flavor of the discussion here, that some experiences are marginal and some are pretty good. Believe me, when I go to SJO next month I will participate because I am sure I can find something attractive to me at one of the spots.

Most of my activity occurs in the states and as a result I am used to paying much higher prices. My question is, does anyone know of a private service that reliably provides super premium girls at a higher price? $150 - $200 would be a bargain compared to Miami Companions, but would have to be outstanding service and nothing less than 8.75 in anybody's book.

Member #2041
01-13-06, 22:32
Nope. Expect that the escort services in CR tend to run about $100/hour up to $200-400 per day, but I would not in any way consider these to be Super Premium in quality. More like reliable 7-8s in quality of looks, and service varying from 6s to the occassional 9s, but not reliable 9s.

Mr Jetsetter
01-14-06, 05:45
Member #3831
A more careful reading of my previous post by any reader without an obvious bias or axe to grind would reveal that I was talking about San Jose and its easily accessible surrounding environment: e.g, the Pacuare river and the Pacific coast, both of which can be experienced in day trips. I was not limiting my discussion to the specific physical boundaries of the city itself, as I clearly indicated in my post. I am anxiously awaiting a post from you that actually contributes something useful and informative to readers of this board -- that would be a first!

While I did enjoy people-watching over a beer or two during my occasional brief stops in the Blue Marlin, I was never compelled to enter the game and seek a chica. The place just seemed too intense and overwhelming for me in this regard, yet I can completely understand its appeal. I do think that those who generally restrict their mongering activities to this admittedly very interesting location are not getting a true picture of just what San Jose has to offer. It would be interesting to read more about how people really feel about this place, which is truly one of the most famous bars in the world.

I received a PM from someone asking me what my favorite mongering destination was, and I would have to say Buenos Aires. It is a safe, sophisticated, cosmopolitan city with great restaurants and clubs, and a very deep and diversified mongering scene. I predominately utilized internet-based escort agencies such as Platynum and Area Vip, but I also sampled a few ladies from the "triangle" clubs near where I was staying. I didn't come close to sampling a tenth of the possibilities there and would like to go back. The problem is that it is expensive and time-consuming to get there, although prices in BA itself are currently quite reasonable. I do like to commune with Mother Nature when traveling abroad, and that is not so easily done in BA. It is not at all close to some of the awesome mountain and forest regions South America has to offer. The ISG was experiencing some serious technical difficulties about the time of my return, and I was unable to submit a few posts of my experiences and eventually gave up.

I recognize there are some serious gaps in my resume, and I'd really like to get to Thailand and Columbia. I am planning a trip to Peru in May, mainly to experience the Amazon and Andes in one trip.

Capt Crunch
01-15-06, 02:04
Here are my personal experiences on mongering in San Jose. I hope this info will help guys have a more enjoyable experience:

*If you are in Costa Rica specifically to monger, i suggest staying in San Jose at the Del Rey,Sportman's Lounge or Presidente. My personal favorite is the Del Rey due to the Blue Marlin Bar being right there.

*Communicate the ground rules before making any agreements with the girls.

*No Cien!(Do not pay over $100!)

*Control the market. Explain to the girls that they will have the oppourtunity to earn $30-$80 based on their performance & attitude. They might even receive trinkets or cab fare if they are extra nice. Offer four different prices.

*Make it clear to the girls that they will be paid after services are rendered.

*Any violation of your agreement should result in you clearly & politely declining the girls services.(You will only be out $10)

*The attitude you see downstairs(Blue Marlin Bar) is the attitude you will see upstairs. If a girl is boring and disinterested in the bar, she will most likely be that way upstairs. The sex still may or may not be good,but the chances are she will be an unenthusastic clockwatcher.

*Some girls that propose threesomes will not touch their friend. In the bar the girls act like they are bisexual, but they are just trying to get you to also pick their friend. The girls that are truly bisexual will passionatly kiss and fondle one another in the bar. Alcohol will help loosen them up. Again, explain clearly what you want the girls to do to one another. Let the girl choose a girl she is attracted to.

*The girls seem to accept less money if you pay them in pesos. Get familiar with the conversion from dollars to colones.

*Tell the girls that you will be in town for 3-4 weeks. If you tell them that you are in town for a few days, you will get substandard treatment. All of these girls talk to one another and share info. I would not be surprised if they have their own working girl forum on the internet. I used this method and i had girls i have never spoke to calling me by name and giving me neck massages,allowing me to fondle and kiss them in the bar area. These girls see you as a potential meal ticket for the next 3-4 weeks.

*Treat every girl with respect. You are in paradise and the customer is always right. Report any major problems immediately to the manager/ or security.

That's it for now. I will be returning to San Jose in about 45 days. I will report my trip and other helpful tips when i return.

Purda Vida!

Daj912

Lancer520
01-16-06, 10:15
Well do to starting a new job Feb. 1st, I've decided to take my first solo mongering trip down to Costa Rica. I'm flying in on Sat. Afternoon Jan 21st to SJ, spending one night at the Del Rey then 6 in Jaco before my last 2 again at the Pink Palace. This is my sixth trip to CR which is why I'm comfortable going it alone this time. I was looking at Rio but with all the crime and only a 5 hour flight from NJ to SJ I'm sticking with CR this time. If any fellow mongers would like to meet up for drinks PM me. I'm 31, not unattractive and speak enough spanish to get by. I know lots of local ticas in Jaco from my friends that own a bar down there. I'll actually be staying at the Morazan next to the Del Rey. Much quieter, cheaper, and no guest fees. 5 Days and counting.

Johnny Sax
01-17-06, 11:01
Hope it's okay that I post this in this forum; no one seems to be reading or replying in the Travel forum.

I am trying to save money to spend on girls, not on hotel bills. Which would you recommend, the La Gran Via or the Morazan? Both seem to be in the $50/night range. Of course the Morazan is closer to the action which is what I like about it but I've never stayed there. Is it noisy? Are there quiet "interior" or backside rooms? (I'm a light sleeper, once I finally do get around to using the bed for sleep...)

I have stayed at the La Gran Via and although the "ambiance" of the lobby leaves much to be desired, I found the rooms very nice, quiet, and clean enough, and I like the free breakfast, and I found the desk clerks to be honest and helpful.

Anyone have an opinion on which of these is best? Please say why.

Also, I'm open to other possibilities in this price range.

Johnny Sax
01-17-06, 11:06
... I'll actually be staying at the Morazan next to the Del Rey. Much quieter, cheaper, and no guest fees. 5 Days and counting.

I heard that the Morazan does charge $5 (or was it $10?) to bring a girl up to the room. No? Maybe it depends on the night, or on the desk clerk?

Also, can you recommend a particular nice, quiet room there? (Don't worry, I won't be there when you are, my friend and I are arriving about 12 days after you, so I won't take "your" room!)

Prolijo
01-18-06, 01:07
Its been a while since I've stayed there but I thought the rooms at the Morazon were perfectly fine, at least as good as those at the HDR and much quieter. They sometimes charge a $3 guest fee but you can try to negotiate that out when you book. If they still try to charge the fee the first time you bring the girl back, you can also pay the fee in cash directly to the nightclerk and ask if he might forget to add the fee to your bill for the rest of your stay and that will usually work. Basically, they are very loose and inconsistent in what they charge. Even if you get hit for $3 each night you bring back a chica and add it to the $39/nt room rate you still come out way ahead of the $49/nt at the Pres or the $59/nt +$10 chica fee at the HDR.

Johnny Sax
01-18-06, 11:04
Its been a while since I've stayed there but I thought the rooms at the Morazon were perfectly fine, at least as good as those at the HDR and much quieter. They sometimes charge a $3 guest fee but you can try to negotiate that out when you book. If they still try to charge the fee the first time you bring the girl back, you can also pay the fee in cash directly to the nightclerk and ask if he might forget to add the fee to your bill for the rest of your stay and that will usually work. Basically, they are very loose and inconsistent in what they charge. Even if you get hit for $3 each night you bring back a chica and add it to the $39/nt room rate you still come out way ahead of the $49/nt at the Pres or the $59/nt +$10 chica fee at the HDR.

Thanks. You're the 2nd person who told me the Morazan is quieter than the DR and just as nice for a better price. So I'm going to try to book at the Morazan via the net.

ChiliMike
01-19-06, 01:29
Hey johnny sax... i have stayed at the morazan 4 times in the last 10 months and plan to stay again on my next trip...Some pointers...1. If you make your resv. on line, call them direct or you will get a outfit that isnt part of the hotel ...just call them give them your dates and your card # and everything will be all set. 2.When you check in , tell them why you chose them was due to the fact they charge no chica fee( i tell them that every time i check in)3. When you are making any deal with the girls from b.m. or key largo it really helps on the price when they know you are so close . 4 You will save money (not much on taxi rides) but if you get drunk its a short walk(from b.m or key largo)5. The rooms are clean and the price is right 6.They have a cool little bar that is open 24 hours and has alot of local people in it ..i have found pro"s and non pro"s in there all the time.7 Nice little casino to kill some time and they have the best sports book in the town there( if you are interested)8. i feel safe there ...except for the time i took 2 lesbo back to my room and had to kick them out ..when they thought they had a dumb gringo and threaten to call the police on me...never have i had any trouble with the hotel itself...9 Also (hasnt happen yet) they have some knockouts working as maids, dealers and wait staff and i have got to know them so could be some non pro action for me on this trip... on my last trip i got the 30.00 a nite deal ( maybe 35.00) not sure what it is now i dont think for a single it evers goes higher than 49.00 , look in the tico times and you will find a coupon for 10.00 or 15.00 off the weekday price.If you need anymore info give me a shout as i have found much better places to go than the b.m ..but the key largo is still a great time, also go back thur the san jose forum and look for the "MAP" IT REALLY HELPS as i find it easy to get lost there and less than half of the cab drivers will understand what you are saying ...unless your spanish is better than mine.....good luck and we hope to read about your trip...

Jaimito Cartero
01-19-06, 02:21
*The girls seem to accept less money if you pay them in pesos.

I've never gotten any girls to accept pesos. :)

I dislike any place that charges extra for a girl to come up. The Del Rey isn't even the worst, at $10 a head. I think the Holiday Inn charges $20-$25, which is just crazy. I'd give the nod to Sportsman or Presidente if they don't charge joiner fees.

Johnny Sax
01-19-06, 06:52
Hey johnny sax... i have stayed at the morazan 4 times in the last 10 months and plan to stay again on my next trip...Some pointers...1. If you make your resv. on line, call them direct or you will get a outfit that isnt part of the hotel ...just call them give them your dates and your card # and everything will be all set. 2.When you check in , tell them why you chose them was due to the fact they charge no chica fee( i tell them that every time i check in)3. When you are making any deal with the girls from b.m. or key largo it really helps on the price when they know you are so close . 4 You will save money (not much on taxi rides) but if you get drunk its a short walk(from b.m or key largo)5. The rooms are clean and the price is right 6.They have a cool little bar that is open 24 hours and has alot of local people in it ..i have found pro"s and non pro"s in there all the time.7 Nice little casino to kill some time and they have the best sports book in the town there( if you are interested)8. i feel safe there ...except for the time i took 2 lesbo back to my room and had to kick them out ..when they thought they had a dumb gringo and threaten to call the police on me...never have i had any trouble with the hotel itself...9 Also (hasnt happen yet) they have some knockouts working as maids, dealers and wait staff and i have got to know them so could be some non pro action for me on this trip... on my last trip i got the 30.00 a nite deal ( maybe 35.00) not sure what it is now i dont think for a single it evers goes higher than 49.00 , look in the tico times and you will find a coupon for 10.00 or 15.00 off the weekday price.If you need anymore info give me a shout as i have found much better places to go than the b.m ..but the key largo is still a great time, also go back thur the san jose forum and look for the "MAP" IT REALLY HELPS as i find it easy to get lost there and less than half of the cab drivers will understand what you are saying ...unless your spanish is better than mine.....good luck and we hope to read about your trip...

I cannot find a home page for the Hotel Morazan, and the site I am looking on seems to have TWO different listings for the Morazan!

http://*******.com/8vzms

AND:

http://www.1costaricalink.com/eng/hotels/hots/crmorazan/rooms.htm

They both seem to have the same name , only it says one is $42 and the other is $65! Looking closer, the $42/nite page has a 2005 date at the bottom , and the $65/nite page has a 2006 date at the bottom. Is it possible that they raised their price from $42 to $65??!! If so, we should boycott this hotel, that is an outrageous price hike!

Anyone have a direct number to this hotel so I can call and straighten this out? If they have raised it $23/night, I will tell them that is ridiculous and I won't be staying there any more due to this gouging price hike.

The Gran Hotel de Costa Rica did this a few years ago. I stayed there one night, had a great room for $45/ night. Then the very next year I checked again and they were charging $60-something ($69, I think it was?) for the very same room! I let them know they had lost my business, and indeed I will never stay there again unless they lower their price.

But of course the unfortunate fact is people WILL PAY the higher prices, so they don't care...

Sirtonkaoffuk
01-19-06, 22:56
I think they have different high and low season rates, or some times it just depends how busy they are (kinda like the airlines ). The last number I have for them is 506 221-9083.

Prolijo
01-20-06, 04:14
Their direct phone number is 011-506-222-4622.

All hotels to one degree or another charge different rates for the same room. They have what they call "rack rates", which is their standard non-discounted rate, but they also have peak season vs. non-peak, weekend vs. weekday, AAA discount, AARP discount etc. etc. If a room-night goes vacant thats revenue they'll never recover so they try to adjust their rates to stay as full as possible and they try to discount selectively between guests so they don't have to lower the rates for everybody on a particular night. These various rates and discounts may seem fairly standardized at US hotels, but in places like CR business is run much looser than it is in the US. Its even often possible to negotiate lower rates when you reserve or check-in to many places, a tleast during the non-peak season when there's lots of vacancies.

The Morazon plays it a little looser than most when it comes to their pricing. If some dumb gringo doesn't know any better and wants to book a room with them at their non-discounted rate they're not about to stop them. Locals aren't so stupid so the Morazon has a long running special that they advertise in the local paper and all you have to get that same rate is let them know you know the score and insist on it. The "special" rate is usually somewhere between $35-39/nt depending on how hard up for business they are. Someone mentioned they've gotten as low as $30/nt. I haven't seen that but its entirely possible. Score that rate and they still might try to play you around for extra charges, like the chica fee or a safe fee. Yes, its irritating but get it straight ahead of time and you'll probably get them waived and even if you don't its not that big a price to pay for get what is still basically a very good rate.

Shadow 97
01-23-06, 22:54
Well, fellas. I booked a flight for me and my guys to SJ for 2/2 through 2/7. Unfortunately, due to financial constraints, was unable to book a hotel until last week. All the recommended hotels were booked up!!! Staying at the Balmoral, which was 5th on my list. How bad off am I? Please be gentle.

Johnny Sax
01-23-06, 22:58
their direct phone number is 011-506-222-4622.

all hotels to one degree or another charge different rates for the same room. they have what they call "rack rates", which is their standard non-discounted rate, but they also have peak season vs. non-peak, weekend vs. weekday, aaa discount, aarp discount etc. etc. if a room-night goes vacant thats revenue they'll never recover so they try to adjust their rates to stay as full as possible and they try to discount selectively between guests so they don't have to lower the rates for everybody on a particular night. these various rates and discounts may seem fairly standardized at us hotels, but in places like cr business is run much looser than it is in the us. its even often possible to negotiate lower rates when you reserve or check-in to many places, a tleast during the non-peak season when there's lots of vacancies.

the morazon plays it a little looser than most when it comes to their pricing. if some dumb gringo doesn't know any better and wants to book a room with them at their non-discounted rate they're not about to stop them. locals aren't so stupid so the morazon has a long running special that they advertise in the local paper and all you have to get that same rate is let them know you know the score and insist on it. the "special" rate is usually somewhere between $35-39/nt depending on how hard up for business they are. someone mentioned they've gotten as low as $30/nt. i haven't seen that but its entirely possible. score that rate and they still might try to play you around for extra charges, like the chica fee or a safe fee. yes, its irritating but get it straight ahead of time and you'll probably get them waived and even if you don't its not that big a price to pay for get what is still basically a very good rate.


thanks for the info. the tico times does have an ad in there that says $40/night. i e-mailed them from the address in that ad, and asked about availability for feb 12 and got no response. guess i'll have to call them.

my pet peeve of the day: i hate when places advertise their e-mail address and then don't respond to e-mails! if you aren't going to check it daily and reply within 24-48 hours, then don't advertise your e-mail address!!

anyway, i'll call them and try to get a commitment for a coupla rooms at the $40/nite rate for my friend and i.

Prolijo
01-24-06, 00:53
Don't forget to ask about any extra fees such as for having a safe in your room or for bringing back guests. When asking, tell them you're just asking to make sure there wasn't and that either you (or a friend) had stayed there before and had not been charged anything extra (ie bullshit them). If they tell you there's an extra fee for either of those, try to get them to agree to waive it. More importantly ask them to confirm everything you both agreed to when they e-mail you your confirmation and then print out that e-mail to bring with you to show them in case they "forget". It may seem like stupid crap to have to do any of this, but the small hassle is worth it if it means you get away paying the least amount possible for your stay.

Sun Devil
02-03-06, 05:24
I am back in San Jose and am staying at the Clarion Hotel on Avenida 11 and Calle 3. The ambiance to the hotel is great and there is casino there that closes at 0300, but what is most important is that they have a decent enough gym, which is at the garage level, because I am workout freak.

After the direct flight from the US I changed clothes and immediately went to the Del Rey. The place was packed. I met a dude from California whose main vacation place is Angeles City in the PI. He deplored the fact that the girls here cost more than $20. I informed him that, if he had the opportunity, he could go to the massage parlors or other places besides the Blue Marlin. After suggesting so, we then went to Pantera Rosa, about one mile south of the Del Rey Hotel. I flashed the bouncer my CRT card and was able to go in for free. The other guy had to pay the entrance fee.

We soon went in. I was hoping that this place would be like the upper end strip clubs in Monterrey, such as Prestige and Obsession, but it was not to be. It is a fairly dim place but the girls are available for full service on the premises at $40, a lot cheaper than the $200 I paid in Mexico. Anyway, I asked the mesero for one of the better looking girls at place, Johanna. She soon started grinding her hips on my pelvis and started to touch my private area. Even though I had not slept that much, I was game and paid the price.

In the meantime, the Californian I was with wanted to leave because he felt out of place and could not speak a word of Spanish. I told him that I wanted to go with the chick that I was with and asked him that if he could go back alone. He was game with that, thank God. It is occurrences like these that I like going by myself during my travels--I only have responsibilities to myself.

The room was right next to the dance floor and it had a couch. It was fairly comfortable and I had no problem with it. After the deed, we went out and she sat by me for about half and hour until I started nodding off. It was time for me to get back to the hotel. For those looking for night time activities other than Del Rey and the Blue Marlin bar, this might be an option.

Johnny Sax
02-04-06, 21:11
I am back in San Jose and am staying at the Clarion Hotel on Avenida 11 and Calle 3. The ambiance to the hotel is great and there is casino there that closes at 0300, but what is most important is that they have a decent enough gym, which is at the garage level, because I am workout freak.

How much per night? What do you like about the ambiance?


...we then went to Pantera Rosa, about one mile south of the Del Rey Hotel. I flashed the bouncer my CRT card and was able to go in for free. The other guy had to pay the entrance fee.

So this is a strip bar? How much is the entrance fee?


It is a fairly dim place but the girls are available for full service on the premises at $40,

Is that a $40 set price, for 1/2 hour, or what? Oh, and how much are beers or drinks there? Might have to check this place out. By the way, was your ************** card worth it, overall?

Thanks for the report!

Sun Devil
02-05-06, 08:34
To answer your questions, the fee at the hotel is $75 per night, including tax, if you are a member of CRT. If not, I believe they ordinarily charge $144. The $75 includes a breakfast buffet that offers sliced fruits, i.e, papaya, pineapples, juice, omelettes, rice and beans, coffee, etc, which is little bit better than what the Sportsmen offered when I stayed there last year. The ambiance of the place is similar to that of the the typical Holiday Inn in the US.

Other good things about this hotel are that they do not charge any chica fees, unlike the Del Rey, which charges $10 if you take a girl to the room. It is located in Barrio Amon, where the Sportsmen, Hotel Don Carlos, and Hotel Santo Tomas are located. Also, it is one block from Zona Blue, which now has a bar that serves alcohol in the premises, and a couple of blocks from New Fantasy. Thus you can pretty much walk to these massage parlors, plus the Del Rey from this hotel.

The Pantera Rosa is a strip club with girls that you can do at the premises for $40 until you finished, be it an hour or 5 minutes. I was not charged an admission fee due to my CRT card. I went to another strip club last night, the Atlantis, and they were offering alcohol past midnight. I do not know who they paid, but this country is technically dry right now due to the election tomorrow. In fact, the only things that they are serving at the Del Rey as I write are juice, coffee, sodas, and water. Too bad the weather has not been as dry, since it has been raining for the past 3 days.

Anyway, I met some of the dancers at Pantera Rosa: Sasha, Joanna, Ingrid, out drinking at Atlantis and they invited me to their table. The reason they were there was because the Pantera Rosa was closed due to the non-alcohol law. Talk about a small city. Ingrid, a girl from Nicaragua, got totally drunk and started showing me her pussy. Needless to say I did not pass up this opportunity and started tonguing her and rubbing her clit, all this while in public. This occurred on and off for about an hour. Occurrences like these are the reasons why I love travelling outside the US, especially in Latin countries!

Prolijo
02-05-06, 21:55
I may get some flak from my CR buddies on this but to be fair the $75/nt is really just the casino rate. You can also go to http://www.casino-paradiso.com/acco.htm for details. It is a Clarion Hotel which is part of the US based Choice Hotel chain and so has much more the ambiance of a US based hotel that some people might prefer. The casino is closes at 3AM but I don't think it opens until 4PM which might be an issue if you want to get some early gambling in. But then who (besides Nixon) says you always have to gamble where you stay. The Barrio Amon is a nice neighborhood but the Amon Plaza is really on the bad edge of it. Zona Blue is 1 block away, but its a long enough walk to the DR that you probably won't want to do it after dark. It doesn't charge chica fees, but its not like there aren't other hotels that cost much less per night that don't charge chica fees either (e.g. the Presidente, the SL, or even the Morazon most of the time)

As far as the Pink Panther is concerned, the CRT card actually gets you free admission PLUS your first drink. Not having paid the admission I'm not sure exactly what it is but I believe it is only something like $2. Also not sure about drink prices, since I'll nurse mine for quite a long time in places like this. Girl drinks are 3500c or about $7. My undersanding was that it is 22K colones or about $40 for a HALF and an hour and 40K colones for an hour. Maybe they don't watch the clock as carefully if it's a slow night. Para llevar can be pricey due to the 5 drink bar fine (5X3500) with the rest being between you and the chica. Getting a number and arranging to meet her elsewhere after hours may be your best bet.

Now is it worth it to get a CRT card just to save a couple of bucks at PT? Obviously not. But taking into account ALL the other places and ways you can save by becoming a CRT VIP, I would say it is definitely worth it. Maybe not for a short visit but certainly for anyone that plans to be very active there for an extended period or multiple trips. All the ways you can save money are too numerous to mention here but just to highlight a FEW other ones besides the PT; there are even more significant savings at Kamur (free admission and every 3rd drink free), Tango India (free admission and 15% of your entire bill), a REAL 10% discount off the normal SL rates that could save you the cost of membership by itself in less than a week, something like $5-10 off the prices EACH time you go to Zona Blue that could offset most of the membership cost in just one trip all by itself (granted you probably wouldn't go to the ZB as often if you had to pay full price), and discounts at some really good restaurants such as Costa de Sol (10% off your bill). You also get access to their photo gallery which not only includes often grainy muff shots like you'll find here but facial pics of recommended chicas and even more importantly chicas to avoid (one in particular is known for "roofing" unsuspecting drunken gamblers and rolling them for all their dough).

Perhaps one of the biggest benefits is often overlooked. You can get a lot of good advice for free before you go both here and at CRT, but that isn't nearly the same as the advice you can get on the spot by guys who can point out the actual girls who they know to be good or bad. I haven't run into nearly as many ISGers IN CR as I have fellow CRTers and the CRT guys are very often the best for getting the latest on the spot intel. They'll probably help you out if you're a ISGer too but are more likely to spend the time to point you in the right direction if they know you're one of them.

Tasty1
02-08-06, 02:55
Always stay in Presidenete. They are booked. Any suggestions to choose between Clarion Amon and Sleep Inn will be appreciated. Read all postings and could not find answers.

Prolijo
02-08-06, 03:57
Sleep Inn is not chica friendly at all. If you searched at CRT, you would have found out the full deal on the Sleep Inn.

Mr Jetsetter
02-08-06, 11:29
I think it is great that CRT and the merits of its VIP membership can be so freely discussed on this ISG board. I highly recommend becoming a CRT member even if one is only planning a single trip to San Jose. Chase Star is absolutely correct -- CRT discount savings can easily offset annual membership costs in one single trip. Chase Star and R Brandon are prime examples of people who post valuable advice and info on both the CRT and ISG boards, and we all benefit. I have been an ISG member for three years and a CRT member for a little over one, and I'm a big fan of both boards.

I'm hitting San Jose next week for 8 days and will post my experiences. I'm delighted to hear that Club Kamur is under new ownership and has instituted set rates for onsite chica sessions: $50 an hour for the lady and $25 for the room. I even hear they have re-installed actual beds in the rooms! I think these prices are fair for a strip club, even in San Jose.

Jaimito Cartero
02-08-06, 16:42
I never saw this anywhere before but I saw guys splitting 10's in blackjack in costa rica??? very weird.

You haven't played in Vegas very much, have you? I see this way too frequently, and it drives me crazy. Most of the variants of Blackjack that I've seen in CR are a slightly different game. (Rummy, perhaps?) I don't know if they pay 3-2 for a BJ or not. I know they pay you extra for 3 7's, and have some other weird payouts.

Bandy
02-08-06, 18:26
The payment is even money for BJ.

I have seen people splitting 10's not only in Costa Rica, but also in Vegas, Atlantic City and anywhere and everywhere. There is no shortage of stupid people.

Bandy

Coquí
02-08-06, 18:40
There is a game called Rummy played in CR that is similar to Black jack. There are some basic differences. A black jack will pay one to one, if you make a 3 card strait or 3 of the same pays 3 to 1 (or 5 to 1 ??), you can hit after splitting aces, and you can surrender. There are few casinos you can play regular Black Jack (not Rummy) just ask the dealer. I know that at Fiesta Casino (by presidente hotel), Colonial Casino (by Del Rey), Hotel Costa Rica, and Paradiso Casino, regular Black Jack is available. Just try to be with the least number of people at the table as possible because even the basic strategy is forein for most Tico players and "uninteligent" plays are very common.

Happy huntings........

Sun Devil
02-09-06, 05:05
I'm delighted to hear that Club Kamur is under new ownership and has instituted set rates for onsite chica sessions: $50 an hour for the lady and $25 for the room. I even hear they have re-installed actual beds in the rooms! I think these prices are fair for a strip club, even in San Jose.

I am not sure about this since I paid more than that at Kamur last night to party with one of the dancers, Roxanne. The house charged 50,000 colones and Roxanne 20,000 colones, about $140. This was for a room with a queen sized bed, television, bar, bathroom with shower. The $75 is probably for a room with only a couch or else I got my a** reamed big time.

In retrospect, I had one of my better sessions on this trip last night and, conversationally, she is pretty fun to talk, having a wide range of interest and a great personality. For those who are Spanish speaking challenged there is a tall girl working there named Monica who is bilingual since she is an American from LA.

ChiliMike
02-09-06, 05:40
the big thing i didnt like about rummy....is the dealer waits to take his hole card AFTER the last player is done hitting...if you have played alot of blackjack , you are now having to think about that last move also...when the dealer has a ace up....its seems like a 80% chance they will have bj...i have won at the bm..playing rummy but just go across the street or next door and you will find blackjack....my first 2 trips i got killed in everytype of gambling..either bj, rummy, dice, or sportsook...didnt matter i lost...however my last 2 trips were much better i like to play caribbeen stud porker at the b.m. its cheap and fun and on my last trip i hit 4 nines ...easy game to make friends and drink free...and you can make some cash at it....thedifference in costa rica....forget about comps.....very hard to get ...most i got , besides free drinks ...when i buy in at the b.m. at the carb. stud poker with 100.00 they will give me 1000c (about 2.00) for the bonus game ...when i got the 4 nines and took about 2000.00 us off the table and quit for the nite the gang of pit bosses were not to happy to say the least ...since i been drinking ...they guessed i stay on the tables and raise my bets ...but i knew it would never get any better than that hand...so that was the nite and the only time in my 4 trips that i spent more than 60.00 on one girl ..i spent 100.00 and i must say she was worth it.....

Orgasm Donor
02-09-06, 20:23
I just gotta give a shout-out for La Gran Via
Sure it isnt the most luxe place in SJ, but its clean, cheap, no chica fee.
But I really gotta hand it to the dude at the desk. I was juggling two Tica girlfriends, and they were calling the hotel and leaving messages. If I showed up with one chica and had messages from the other, He would be extremely discreet about giving the message to me. Hed either slip me a note with my key, or wait till I got to the elevator and call me back so I could give my chica the slip and quickly say the other chica called. He of course earned a tip.

When I was at Hotel Castillo, (nicer, quieter place, lil more expensive, no chica fee) last year Nov. 04, they did have a cute girl working the desk. One of my chicas "dropped in" unexpectedly while I was out and asked when I left, was I with a girl, and the desk girl blew my cover. Fortunately I was able to BS my way out of that. I cant hold it against the desk girl too much cuz one day a few of her amigas were hanging out with her at the desk and she said her friend thought I was hot and wanted to date me! (I love this country!)
IMHO Hotel Castillo is *somewhat* monger friendly, as long as you keep it on the down-low and after the eco-tourists have gone to bed. One more thing, breakfast "buffet" there is "Tipico Tico" which means hard-boiled eggs, gallo pinto, toast, fruit, juice and average coffee.

OD


Hope it's okay that I post this in this forum; no one seems to be reading or replying in the Travel forum.

I am trying to save money to spend on girls, not on hotel bills. Which would you recommend, the La Gran Via or the Morazan? Both seem to be in the $50/night range. Of course the Morazan is closer to the action which is what I like about it but I've never stayed there. Is it noisy? Are there quiet "interior" or backside rooms? (I'm a light sleeper, once I finally do get around to using the bed for sleep...)

I have stayed at the La Gran Via and although the "ambiance" of the lobby leaves much to be desired, I found the rooms very nice, quiet, and clean enough, and I like the free breakfast, and I found the desk clerks to be honest and helpful.

Anyone have an opinion on which of these is best? Please say why.

Also, I'm open to other possibilities in this price range.

Mr Jetsetter
02-09-06, 20:46
Sun Devil,
I read about Kamur's supposed new set rates on CRT. Maybe you have to let them know you are aware of them. You paid what I paid on my last visit there in July, when I sessioned with Sabrina in a room without a bed. Thanks for the info, and I will look into this matter further.

I thoroughly enjoyed a couple of sessions there last March with a lovely lady named Roxanna, a very slender and attractive woman who was a CRT "chica of the month." I'm wondering if this is the same individual you sessioned with. I actually posted a picture of her a couple of weeks ago in this "reports" section. Glad you had a good time!

SanJoseFan
02-11-06, 15:34
I have a week of vacation time coming up in April including Good Friday and Easter Sunday and my question is this:

Being a Catholic country how quiet does San Jose and Costa Rica in general get during Easter week and particularly the Friday and the Sunday. I have been twice in the last year and love it, but obviously not particularly intrested in going if all the girls have gone home!!

Any advice would be apreciated.

Noguera
02-12-06, 03:45
I am headed down to San José for a few days of work. I have reviewed the last few months of posts, but still looking for some specific advice.

What I enjoy the most is a mid-level to a little bit dumpy of a strip club. I like to sit and chat-up the girls for an hour or so, before making my selection. My price range is around $50/hour for either the back room, or taking them back to my hotel for a couple of hours. Any recommendations guys? I don’t like the fancy, higher-class strip clubs.

I would like recommendations on a couple of casas (brothels/MPs) in the $30/hour range …… with beds and not those damn naugahyde massage tables. Again … I like the adventure of the mid- to lower-class places. Though not dangerous places or neighborhoods.

Can anyone give me more details on Oasis? Is this a strip club or an MP? What is the procedure at Oasis? Can you sit and visit with the girls for a while or do you have to make a pick immediately upon entering and you are swept back to a dumpy room? Are there any dancers at Oasis? What is the pricing structure?

You never hear anything about Key Largo any more? Can you pick up a decent looking girl there for $50 to take back to your hotel for a couple of hours?

Obviously, I speak fluent Spanish.

Coquí
02-12-06, 07:48
Noguera:

I have good and bad news about Oasis. It is a daytime MP. The bad news first, no beds, just the "naugahyde massage tables" The good is that the quality of chicas (IMHO) is among the best in San Jose and the price is approx. $20.00 per hour. I think it is one of the best overall places for your money. It is located away from the "Gringo Glut" but it is only a couple of bucks by taxi. I am sure you can negociate with the chicas and meet them for a good session at your hotel.

Another two places you may try are Zona Blue and New Fantasy. They are a daytime combination of MP/ Sauna / etc. They have nice rooms, sauna, meeting area(ZB), internet(ZB) drinks, etc. They are well within your budget and the selection is good (of course YMMV).

If you are for "mid-level to a little bit dumpy of a strip club" you do not find many at SJ but plain bars(no stripping) are pleantifull with beds in the places and if you "hablas Español" it is not goin to be difficult for you to be succesfull in your quest. The bars are nocturnal and the MP are diurnal.

Key Largo is a Bar/Dancehall/Restaurant with the twist, ALL girls in there are available. Is just like Del Rey without the casino and with dancing.

I forgot to mention that both MP's and bars prices fluctuate from $12.00 to $25.00 per hr session. You can go to the hi-end strip places but the prices are absurd for CR. Del Rey and Key Largo prices can vary from$35.00 to $100 depending on your charm and negotiating skills. Spanish speaking is helpfull.

Locations for the MP's and bars can be found in Dongordo.com and I think there are web sites listed in this forum. PM me if you need more info.

One think I need to find is a job that takes me to SJ like yours.

Happy huntings and "Buena Suerte compañero"

PS If you have an option in where to stay Sportsman's Lodge is a good option because it also offers companionship at good prices and is far from the noise and close to the action.

NastyBoy
02-12-06, 19:46
What is the procedure at Oasis? Can you sit and visit with the girls for a while or do you have to make a pick immediately upon entering and you are swept back to a dumpy room? Are there any dancers at Oasis? What is the pricing structure?


First...you gotta be nice to the security guard....let him ring the bell to announce your arrival. He gets pissed if you ring the bell. I always slip him a couple of bucks just to make the dude smile and kiss my ass whenever I go there. It's the lowest price I've ever paid for ass kissing.

Second....Yes you have to pick right away. Once they let you in the girls will stand up for a few seconds. Not even a minute. To let you peruse, then they all sit down and go back to whatever the fuck they were doing before you got there.

Normal session is 10k colones. I used to interview them for the bbbj before going back, but one girl finally got tired of hearing my shit so she told me they all do bbbj for an extra 5k. So I pay the extra 5. Then I learned I can get anal for an extra 15k so I buy that too. At those prices I stay more than an hour. Sometimes I take two. Sometimes I pay for a couple of hours in advance for one. Sometimes I pay for one and if she isn't any good I tell her to go get me another one and I start with her and I never even leave the room. Once I finished a session but wasn't fulfilled so I said I wanted another one and they brought the whole fucking lineup into the room for me to choose all over again. On this occassion one girl volunteered that her and her girlfriend will suck each others pussy for you, but hell, I wasn't into paying for their fun. I was there for mine.

There are no dancing girls but they have radios in all the rooms so if you want her to dance just tell her to start dancing. It's your hour. I'm sure she'd rather dance than suck your dick.

No sitting around and bullshitting with the chicas. If your fave is busy and you wanna wait they give you chair in the lobby, but the girls don't come out to bullshit with you. I remember an occassion in another country when I asked one of the girls if they just talked.....she said...."Talk to your friends", lol....it's all business...

Oasis is a great place with fine, young babes. Harry the owner is a really pleasant guy that always ask how your session was and is genuinely interested in your repeat business. It's my second home when I am in San Jose.

NB

MelowDownEasy
02-13-06, 02:06
I have a week of vacation time coming up in April including Good Friday and Easter Sunday and my question is this:

Being a Catholic country how quiet does San Jose and Costa Rica in general get during Easter week and particularly the Friday and the Sunday. I have been twice in the last year and love it, but obviously not particularly intrested in going if all the girls have gone home!!

Any advice would be apreciated.I heard this is the worst week of the year to go to CR!

Green Giant
02-13-06, 18:36
Where is the best place in San Jose to buy Vitamin V? What should I expect to pay? I have a US prescription.

Coquí
02-13-06, 22:19
SanJoseFan:

Last year I was in SJ durring the same time you are planning to go. During Thursday and Good Friday, San Jose is dead. The only open places were the hotels and restaurants that caters to tourist. Calle central was deserted. I recommend for you to go to the beach or plan your site seen those two days. All other days is business as usual.

Good luck and happy hunting.........

Noguera
02-16-06, 04:57
Can anyone give me some more information on Pantera Rose? Tell me about the club and the quality of the girls. What is the pricing structure? Where is it located? I cannot find it on any of the SJO maps.

The same with Bar Idem. Is it a strip club or an MP? I would like more information on this locale as well.

Tasty1
02-16-06, 05:09
Green Giant:

At the airport, inside terminal, before you reclaim your suitcase, there is pharmacy. No prescription needed. Reasonable price and nothing but authentic stuff. Buy vitamin V from there. Credit cards accepted.

Noguera
02-16-06, 05:35
Attached are two photos of a cutie named Gio, whom is Nicaragüense and hangs out at the Del Rey. Credit is given to Dodger Bulldog for the photos and his report on Gio back in October.

Has anyone seen Gio within the past few weeks? Does anyone have a cell number for her? I am headed down to San José next week and would like to meet her.

R Brandon
02-16-06, 19:09
Nouguera,Bar Idem is more like an MP than strip club but has a bar and girls sit in a line up. You make you selection and take the girl for an hour to room at set price of about 21000 col if it hasn't changed. It is a very good place with nice talent and stays open til midnight. Pantera Rosa is a srtip club that is a local place with very nice talent.Prices are better than higher end places that cater more to gringos. Word is prices for 20 min in rooms by stage with sofa $40 and nicer rooms with bed for full hpur $100. Both places are highly reccomended.rbc100

Noguera
02-17-06, 03:39
Has anyone ever heard of these two strip clubs? Can you tell me more about them? Location, pricing, quality of girls?

R Brandon
02-17-06, 04:05
Noguera,They are worth a visit.Legrillion is a local Strip club not cheap but not real expensive.Hour sessions are about $80 and private dances like $10 where extras may be negotiated but I just did a dance with a little play one time.They have good looking chicas.
De Pelufos has private dances but no rooms.I don't recall the price for dance but extras can be had.They have a good Lesbain Show and Sunday Night is a good time to go as less crowded with locals.If you get there early maybe a front row seat.They hvae some very hot girls and also worth a visit.No rooms for session so I understand .Not sure on take out.rbc100

Noguera
02-17-06, 06:33
Where are these two clubs located?

Tasty1
02-17-06, 19:23
just in last six months since I was here, things have changed for worse. Last night the place was very crowded even at 2AM. Looks like girls have formed an union. No one would come down lower than $100 for an hour, 200 for three hours and 300 for overnight. Even at 2AM prices did not change. I wish someone will open a competing place with same type of setup.

Prolijo
02-18-06, 00:51
Noguera,
Le Grillion is located at the corner of Calle 6 and Ave 6, on the other side of Parque Central not too much further than where the old Park Hotel used to be. Overall not a great area for walking around after dark though it's only 8 blocks diagonally from the HDR. Definitely take a cab.

D'Pelufo's isn't even within a distance you'd ever consider walking night-time or otherwise as it is all the way on the other side of San Pedro. It is about a block past the Munoz y Nanne in San Pedro which you can use as a reference for the cabbie if he doesn't know where D'Pelufo's is.

ChiliMike
02-18-06, 03:52
Just finished booking my flight for the 15th of march...wow airfare is out of sight...I will stay until the 22nd and i would like to hook up with some ISG and CRT members . Please give me a shout if anyone is in town during those dates,i like going to other places other than the B.M. and i am always ready for a new adventure. I pick these dates because of the NCAA hoops so most of my days will be in the sport book. Guess i will stay at the MORZAN cant go wrong there but i might see if there is any room at the sportsmens ...just to many great review about it not to give it a try. More girls i have done keep showing up on the 2 sites , not sure if i am just hitting the ones who let us take photos of them or the number of ladies are going down...TASTY1 REPORT was a little gloom or maybe he just had some bad luck...either way. i always look forward to my trip and hopes of finding more new places ..

R Brandon
02-18-06, 04:20
Chilli Mike,I just miss you.I will be down March 22 to 27 and you are right,the best of San Jose is out of the Gulch.rbc100

Tasty1
02-18-06, 21:52
Had a hilarious experience. Imagine a woman goes to her gynaecologist. He is doing pelvic exam and keeps on calling her vagina ¨pussy¨. Picked up this Tica called Adrianna. She was enthusiastic but kept it calling it Penis. Like, Baby I like your penis, Baby stick your penis in my vagina, etc. I could not help but laugh. I wanted to tell her, but afterwards when I tried to tell her, her phone rang. So, she is still walking around saying Penis when all I wanted was to stick my COCK in her PUSSY and not my penis in her vagina. Just goes to show you words with same meaning are not same.

Justafool
02-20-06, 16:07
This weekend will be in Costa Rica, any recommendations on good affordable cute locals with GFE and maybe some who might do BB (not overpriced wanna be palyboy centerfolds). PM me please with details and photos if available.

Thanks

Hacke Beck
02-27-06, 16:43
Kamur , new rooms , USD 75 one hour, nice chicas. 3000 colones all you can drink. 4000 colones girls drinks.

Sun Devil
02-27-06, 23:53
So I gather that the new owners have imposed the new set of charges of $75. Hopefully there won't be a mass exodus of girls from this place due to that price. The last time I was there I paid double that amount.

I find it hard to believe that for 3000 colones you can drink all you want. I am supposing you meant 3000 for one drink.

Jaimito Cartero
02-28-06, 00:03
De Pelufos has private dances but no rooms.I don't recall the price for dance but extras can be had.They have a good Lesbain Show and Sunday Night is a good time to go as less crowded with locals.If you get there early maybe a front row seat.They hvae some very hot girls and also worth a visit.No rooms for session so I understand .Not sure on take out.rbc100

They have some little booths where you can do the private show. I think they have just a curtain that pulls across them.

And make sure to volunteer for the stage show. It's a lot of fun.

Johnny Sax
02-28-06, 06:02
I was going to do a really organized report but I just don't have time, so this will have to do. I'm just going to do it off the top of my head and try to cover a lot of ground, so bear with me. There will be massage parlor and ***** house reviews as well as hotel reviews and comments:

I used to LOVE New Fantasy so my first stop was there, around 8pm on Sunday night. I looked in, there were 4 girls on the bench behind the one way mirror and I made up a story about looking for "Carla" and said "Oh, she isn't here any more?" and left.

Went down to Zona Blue and it was my 2nd time seeing the place but my first time having a session there. What a session I had! I had 2 girls, lesbians, Palmera, a cute blonde who is truly a lezbo, and her "girlfriend", sorry I don't remember her name right now (Elena?) who is very bi. Both are bi, but the brunette was much more into cock, though both liked it. See my photo in the Photos section (yes, only one, my camera ran out of batteries right on that shot! and I had none with me!). Anyway, it was one of the best hours I've ever spent in my life, a dream come true: true 3-way action with 2 lesbians who like cock. Again, see my report on this session in the photos section.

Stayed the first nights at the Morazan. I think this hotel is very over-rated. I mean SOME of the rooms are very nice, but others are sorely lacking. My friend's room stunk of something like sewer, and another one I had there smelled very musty, another one very smokey. One night my toilet clogged and I did NOT put that much into it. The fat guy at the desk is very pushy and always scamming you to make an extra buck, grabbing your bags out of your hand to carry them for you, pushing you to a $15 taxi when you could get one for $12, etc... Raising the price of a room to $50 because they are "short on rooms", and crap like that. This is not the more respectable looking fat guy who seems like the manager, and is a nice guy, but the other guy who seems like a combo bell-buoy 2nd string manager. The guy pissed me off several times. But mostly I think the rooms are very inconsistent. Oh, and many did not have a safe in them, or else it had a safe yet they lost the key and had not replaced it yet. I am going to join CRT and stay at the Presidente next time.

Next stop was the Del Rey/ Key Largo and let me say that there is still just an incredible amount of talent there, and if you play the game slowly and carefully you can score some great deals in there. I never payed more than $60 for a girl, and it was fun hanging out there, looking at all the candy available and finally choosing one.

There are 2 types of guys, guys who just want to go into a place like Idem or Zona Blue and get a girl and get right down to it, and guys who like to hang out and look and think about it and maybe share a few drinks and a few dances before getting down to bidnez. I like both methods. Sometimes I like the former, other times the latter. My friend only likes the hang out and finally choose one method, unfortunately so I always had to go to the MP's on my own.

I went to New Fantasy 2 nights to look in because I really love the whole sauna then shower then bed, then shower thing, and the no bullshit pricing and full hour you get there. However, both times I went there were only 4 girls to choose from and not one that I'd pay more than $20-30. They just didn't turn me on, so I left.

One night I went to Zona Blue (2nd time) after NF and they also had no selection because it was late in the evening. I talked to the Asian bartender and decided I'd have to come back another time.

Three nights I went to Idem around 9-10pm. The first night, there was only 4-5 girls available, not with guys at tables, or in the back, and I liked one but she was just sitting there playing her cell phone game, so I finally said "FU" and left. Are they there to play games or fuck?

Went a 2nd night and was taken by a lovely dark eyed girl but she seemed very shy and before I could get her over to me, a luscious blonde Tica became available and I grabbed her. Sex upstairs was pretty good but she lacked enthusiasm. That is, she faked it and I could tell she was faking. But she sucked pretty good and I banged her hard from behind for quite a long time until I thought she was going to get sore.

I never made it over to Oasis though I wanted to. I was busy during the days and it is hard for me to get over to these massage parlor places during prime time in the afternoons.

Went back to Idem a 3rd time and there were a couple pretty nice ones, but I just wasn't in the mood. I was showing a friend the place and I just went in for a drink. No one that really grabbed me, so I left. Overall, I'd say the girls of Idem are about 50% 6's, 25% 7's, 20% 8's and 5% 9's. The one I got was a good 8 in looks. But in sex she was only a 6 or 7. Overall it's worth going to, but I wish New Fantasy had better quality girls; if it did, it would be my favorite MP.

La Gran Via : another hotel that's gone way down hill. My shower had no cold water, so the hot was so hot that I had to stand to the side of it and use my arms to splash water on me. Also had a big problem with laundry. I asked the desk guy "will we for SURE get this laundry back by this evening?" and he assured me we would. I then put a note in espanol on the clothes on the bed which said "IF this will be back by tonight, wash it; if not, don't wash it". Well, you guessed it, we were set to leave early the next morning and the clothes never got back until around 8am which made us late. The desk guy blamed it on the maid. A very costly mistake as we had to leave on a later bus and got to our destination very late that night as a result. I liked the Gran Via a lot last year when I stayed there, when there was an older guy at the desk. This year neither the room nor the service was very good.

Key Largo is returning to its hey-days of the 90's. The live music really brings in the girls and once it gets going, around 10 or so, the place is hopping and the music really helps get the girls loose, and it's fun to dance with them. The back room tends to attract the older women and the dogs for some reason which is too bad because it's a nice mellower room to hang out and had by far the sexiest bartenders. One was so cute I wanted to jump across the bar and drag her back to my hotel.

(Does anyone ever pick up the bartenders in these places? Is it really possible? If so I bet they want a lot of dough...)

Oh, we went into Josephine's. What a fucking rip off! As soon as we were told it was $15 to buy a chick a drink (even though it supposedly includes a lap dance) we walked right out. Clip joint. And the girls weren't all that, either.

Club Monaco. It's a strip joint now, they moved the bar and put a pole in the back. I had a GREAT time there last year, got a fantastic little thin Nica for $20 upstairs who was VERY enthusiastic. But this time around the place was so deserted that we were scared to hang out in there. It's in one of the worst neighborhoods and my friend didn't want to risk it, and I wouldn't go there by myself unless I saw other gringos in there, which I did not.

Eating: Tin Jo is a rip off. Super high prices and the food was mediocre and the service downright lousy. I'll never go there again.

The News Cafe is high, but such a great breakfast buffet it's worth it. If you are a CRT member you can get the buffet free and that is what I will do next time out.

Do NOT go to the restaurant across from the News cafe'. There's a reason no one is in there. Lousy service, the waiter did not get the order right and then tried to blame me, and the food was just crappy.

Vishnu behind the Gran Hotel de Costa Rica is a very good low budget healthy choice. Vegetarian but you get rice, an entree, salad, juice and flan or ice cream for about $3.75 I think it was, and it's all healthy and they are very clean and give great service.

Taco Bell SUCKS. If you like Taco Bell in the U.S., (I happen to like some of their stuff, though much of it is too greasy/heavy) you probably won't like the CR version. Don't know how they can fuck up a bean and cheese burrito, but they do.

Oh, and back to mongering... Those hot chicks behind the Holiday Inn? they are guys in drag, some with hormones, and a couple might fool even the best and most sober of us, but you can be sure if they are in that area, they are chicks with dicks. Be careful as a group of them came over to me as I was walking back from Zona Blue and I know they were going to attempt to pickpocket me or worse. I just increased my gait and got the hell out of there before they had the chance. One time last year I had to threaten them with my mace to ward them off, which, by the way, you can buy in the sporting goods store just down from Vishnu.

So that's it for now. If I think of anything else I'll write it later.

Next trip I'm definitely going to get over to Oasis... and maybe Pantera...

Sun Devil
02-28-06, 11:00
The girl that you had the lezbo experience at Zona Blue, Pamela, used to work at Oasis about a year ago. She is one of the more popular girls at ZB because of the PSE she provides.

A sister of hers, Laura, still works at Oasis and she is one of the more kinkier girls at that place. Too bad a girl named Johanna is no longer working at Oasis or Zona Blue. According to Laura, she got herself pregnant and is raising a baby. Maybe she will be back in service soon.

My experience at New Fantasy resembled yours. I did not find any really attractive girls there when I went during Super Bowl weekend.

However, I had a good experience with the dancers at Pantera Rosa and Kamur. I would recommend those two places after the massage parlors close. Apparently, one can get an hour of FS at Kamur for $75 now, a discount of the $140 I paid last month, and I only paid $40 or $50 for FS at Pantera Rosa while I was there.

I will test Kamur's price structure when I go back to SJO during the first 2 rounds of the NCAA tournament. By the way, does anyone know where I can place bets on these games, perhaps the Morazan?

Johnny Sax
03-02-06, 04:07
No, not the good kind of bums, as in the ones you pound from behind after grabbing some 19 year old from the Del Rey...

I'm talking about the bums that are increasingly a problem in Gringo Gulch and Avenida Central just down from the Del Rey. It used to be, you'd hardly see a bum in San Jose' and what few there were, were usually women with children, sitting on the street outside a church with a cup. I gave to them willingly and generously at times.

As someone who's been visiting San Jose since 1992, I am really disappointed in how bad it's getting, not with old women in need of money for food, but with young men and women wanting money to buy crack with.

Every single time you come out of the Del Rey or Key Largo to cross the street to the other bar, nowadays, or when you go back to your hotel, you are literally besieged by about 5-6 crack addicts, mostly the same ones, who thrust their cups into your face and will not take no for an answer. It got so bad I finally started just yelling "NO!" at them in a gruff voice; it seemed the only way to get them to stop following me and shoving that damned cup in my face.

Now, I am not a hard-hearted person; If these were people needing food, I would be glad to give to them. Or if they politely asked and then accepted "no" as no, I might have more sympathy the next time around. But these are very aggressive crack addicts who are just going to take any money you give them and go buy rock with it, smoke the rock and then just be right back out there asking for more.

I am calling on all fellow mongers to start complaining to the Management of the Del Rey and Key Largo, and to the powers that be in San Jose', to do something about this problem. It's really annoying and there is no reason why we should have to tolerate these addicts in our faces night after night.

The Del Rey certainly has some political influence and they should talk to the local police chief about taking some of the money we tourists bring in to San Jose' and putting a cop on duty around Gringo Gulch at night, to watch over us in general, and to keep these crack addict scumbags out of our hair.

Just my 2 cents.

Barefoot67
03-02-06, 04:12
it's not free if you are a CRT member. If you are staying at the Presidente, its free. Otherwise, you have to pay whether you are a crt member or not.

I have also eaten at Tin jo and thought it was excellent and worth it. I had the tin jo special for 4500 colones and it was great. thats about $9. a beer was 700 colones. very good asian food and near idem.

My 2 cents worth

MJG Dogs
03-02-06, 08:53
No, not the good kind of bums, as in the ones you pound from behind after grabbing some 19 year old from the Del Rey...

I'm talking about the bums that are increasingly a problem in Gringo Gulch and Avenida Central just down from the Del Rey. It used to be, you'd hardly see a bum in San Jose' and what few there were, were usually women with children, sitting on the street outside a church with a cup. I gave to them willingly and generously at times.

As someone who's been visiting San Jose since 1992, I am really disappointed in how bad it's getting, not with old women in need of money for food, but with young men and women wanting money to buy crack with.

Every single time you come out of the Del Rey or Key Largo to cross the street to the other bar, nowadays, or when you go back to your hotel, you are literally besieged by about 5-6 crack addicts, mostly the same ones, who thrust their cups into your face and will not take no for an answer. It got so bad I finally started just yelling "NO!" at them in a gruff voice; it seemed the only way to get them to stop following me and shoving that damned cup in my face.

Now, I am not a hard-hearted person; If these were people needing food, I would be glad to give to them. Or if they politely asked and then accepted "no" as no, I might have more sympathy the next time around. But these are very aggressive crack addicts who are just going to take any money you give them and go buy rock with it, smoke the rock and then just be right back out there asking for more.

I am calling on all fellow mongers to start complaining to the Management of the Del Rey and Key Largo, and to the powers that be in San Jose', to do something about this problem. It's really annoying and there is no reason why we should have to tolerate these addicts in our faces night after night.

The Del Rey certainly has some political influence and they should talk to the local police chief about taking some of the money we tourists bring in to San Jose' and putting a cop on duty around Gringo Gulch at night, to watch over us in general, and to keep these crack addict scumbags out of our hair.

Just my 2 cents.


Understand this feeling with the beggars and con-men in the gulch. As far as complaining to the management at the pink palace, it will not do any good, the managemant at the Del Rey is only concerned with money, the beggars will also hit you up outside the Presidnete, but they know better than to set one foot on presidente's property. The politicians in san jose obviously do not care about this problem,thus this is another main reason why i avoid san Jose, like the plague.

Member #2666
03-02-06, 15:44
Unlike our system in the US where 25-30% of our tax dollars go to the welfare system, Costa Rica Doesn't have a welfare program, or shall I say they do, but it is operated by the church (catholic) and the strong family structure to help their own needy family members.

SO,........... a few fall through the cracks and wind up on the street where they are doing the things we don't like to see or support.

at least the government of Costa Rica isn't Taking billions of their populations tax dollars and using it for graft, corruption, cronyism and ineffective federal programs.

loosen up a couple of bucks once and a while and maybe these individuals will live long enough to get the wake up call and be productive citizens

MJG Dogs
03-02-06, 17:28
Unlike our system in the US where 25-30% of our tax dollars go to the welfare system, Costa Rica Doesn't have a welfare program, or shall I say they do, but it is operated by the church (catholic) and the strong family structure to help their own needy family members.

SO,........... a few fall through the cracks and wind up on the street where they are doing the things we don't like to see or support.

at least the government of Costa Rica isn't Taking billions of their populations tax dollars and using it for graft, corruption, cronyism and ineffective federal programs.

loosen up a couple of bucks once and a while and maybe these individuals will live long enough to get the wake up call and be productive citizens

Wrong Answer- Ignore the beggars. If you cave in to them, more and more of them will show up. Also if you cave into them, then you ruin it for all other gringos, for then they will bother the hell out of all of us, sorry to sound callous but the best way to treat them is to ignore them, or to kindly, but with a firm voice say "no". We do not want to have a reputation as "easy targets"..

Amerioca
03-03-06, 00:40
I agree with MJG Dogs. Having lived in major cities most of my life, it is best NOT to give any monies to street persons. Continue to do so, and I will guarantee that more will show up in the area. We are not running a philanthropy here.

GooLapper
03-03-06, 21:15
Why be an enabler for alcoholism & other addictions. Why pay the price for someone's lifetime of "mistakes" & wrong decisions at every turn. Let them pay the price & serve as examples to younger people about taking on some self responsibility & learning that one way or another you do pay a price in life for how you've lived.

To me the CR "welfare" system (or lack thereof) is far preferable to what we have here. They don't encourage parasitism, we do. We take tax dollars from people who work hard & live pretty much right & end up buying bottles of Mad-Dog 20-20 (et al) for people who really don't need any more to drink.

Seems to me that do-gooders just want to feel good about themselves, they
don't really care about the "down-trodden" or else they'd be drying them out instead of liquoring them up.

Just my humble opinion & I've been known to be WRONG!

Member #2666
03-04-06, 15:57
I agree with MJG Dogs. Having lived in major cities most of my life, it is best NOT to give any monies to street persons. Continue to do so, and I will guarantee that more will show up in the area. We are not running a philanthropy here.


Sorry BUT:


I don't think so,

Unlike our privileged, greedy and lazy "new society" , the Costa Rican people still maintain a work ethic probably not unlike that of our parents. They want and expect to do a reasonable amount work to live in the style they can and are self reliant and proud enough not want or expect a handout.

Of course there exceptions such as the former Presidents of the country and the crack heads we see around the gulch.



I don't believe the typical street person we see in Costa Rica is like those in the states.

They are truly the bottom of the socio-economic and emotion barrel.

In the states a lot of what we support with our taxes and whom we see on the streets and in the political offices are truly freeloaders who are just too friggin lazy to go to work.

MJG Dogs
03-04-06, 18:52
Member # 2666-

Why you may be correct about the entitlement class in the states, most of the beggars in the gulch are crack addicts or con-men. Of course If i see an older lady sitting on the curb that may be very ill or very tired and frail, I will give her some colones. I do not have a problem with these people, in fact i feel empathy for them.They are not aggressive or in your face.

The ones I have problems with in the gulch are the aggressive ones whom do not leave you alone, and can get physical and hostile. I also cannot stand Oscar, Glen , The lady who dresses up like a nurse, the shoeshine guys and the cigar guys that sell you the three and four year old cigars. the problem is some guys befriend them and then it ruins it for everyone else. One you give these monsters anything, you are marked. In fact I got into a shouting match with one of my best friends because of that fucking rasta man Glen. Glen assumed I was an easy mark also. Heed my warning. Guys, DO NOT ENGAGE THIS LATER GROUP UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

Nipster
03-05-06, 02:04
Sun Devil,

If you want to place some action see Bill at the Sportsmens Lodge and he can handle it for you. Or the DR or Morazan.

Myself: "If it wasn't for bad luck I wouldn't no luck at all" ...ergo I gamble on the chicas !!

Nipster

ChiliMike
03-05-06, 06:11
on my last trip i got to meet #2666 and he took the time out to show me some of san jose that i had never seen and himself and his wing man were cool to me ....as i was alone and they offered me some gringo company which i am very thankfull of.Not only did i have a blast with them but i learned a lesson, as i for one didnt like the beggars or street people coming up on me, but he showed me a different side of how a american can act to people with less than us....i was maybe with them for about a hour and we were going from bar to bar in a cab...yes i was drunk and acting like a fool and i seen some street people and i yelled at them and some beggars came up on us...well i said some stuff like " i hate these assholes begging and "get the fuck away from me" but really he takes some time with them ...maybe gives a little but what i thought was cool " he treated them like humans " and it changed the way i look at them ...what i came away with ,was these guys understood san jose and i was going to make this my new vacation site ...

ChiliMike
03-05-06, 16:34
Just wanted to give some fellow members a heads up on what happen on tuesday about 1am ( i got this info from a crt member, from the site) but he was robbed of 600.00 that he had in his front pocket as he was walking from the presidente hotel to the delray (he had a tica with him) as he was walking up the hill 2 men came up on him and his tica and show him a machete and as he saidTHEY hit him on his chest (he was wearing a leather jacket , that saved him from being cut) and ripped his 600.00 in cash out of his front pocket and told his tica to run, which she did. He is ok , thank god, and no one came to his aid even though there were 2 police men up the street and a few people as always standing out front of the del ray. I have always walked back to the morazon from the dr and key largo late at nite ...what is it maybe 1or 2 min. walk but it does have me thinking .....that area he got hit at has always gave me the creeps as that hill is steep and walking up it give a crook a clear edge , with them walking down towards you , plus there are alot of alleys and little places to hide ..i will walk in the middle of that street even during the day if no traffic ,many things have been said about the tica being in on it to the police being in on it....but all just guesses so far. He said he gambles at the casinos and goes to alot of them . so there are many angles of why he got robbed or just unlucky..with my next trip in lest than 10 days away..i am taking a few extra bucks for cab rides for after dark...that could of been me , and knowing myself ..i would of been that dumb guy who would of fought them...

MJG Dogs
03-05-06, 18:17
Just wanted to give some fellow members a heads up on what happen on tuesday about 1am ( i got this info from a crt member, from the site) but he was robbed of 600.00 that he had in his front pocket as he was walking from the presidente hotel to the delray (he had a tica with him) as he was walking up the hill 2 men came up on him and his tica and show him a machete and as he saidTHEY hit him on his chest (he was wearing a leather jacket , that saved him from being cut) and ripped his 600.00 in cash out of his front pocket and told his tica to run, which she did. He is ok , thank god, and no one came to his aid even though there were 2 police men up the street and a few people as always standing out front of the del ray. I have always walked back to the morazon from the dr and key largo late at nite ...what is it maybe 1or 2 min. walk but it does have me thinking .....that area he got hit at has always gave me the creeps as that hill is steep and walking up it give a crook a clear edge , with them walking down towards you , plus there are alot of alleys and little places to hide ..i will walk in the middle of that street even during the day if no traffic ,many things have been said about the tica being in on it to the police being in on it....but all just guesses so far. He said he gambles at the casinos and goes to alot of them . so there are many angles of why he got robbed or just unlucky..with my next trip in lest than 10 days away..i am taking a few extra bucks for cab rides for after dark...that could of been me , and knowing myself ..i would of been that dumb guy who would of fought them...


Maybe he got cased in the casino. Always take a taxi after 11:00 or so, even from the Pink Palace to the Presidente. In fact I would not put it past one of the employees in the casino to have his or her friends roll this guy.

Never walk alone. And never expect any help from the Police or the locals. Many of them hate our guts, including the street people. Avodi the street people , do not befriend them. Fuck them.

Also Chilli, Do not get hammered why in san Jose, the street people tend to prey on the drunkin gringo. be smart take a cab, and enjoy yourself.

Kid Cisco
03-06-06, 17:03
I am wondering did anyone else know he had $600.00 in his pocket?

Kid Cisco

Prolijo
03-07-06, 05:12
Chilimike,
A few minor points. First, not that it matters, but it was him that told his chica to run, not the robbers. Secondly, he was walking DOWN the hill from the HDR casino back to the Prez with his chica, not the other way as you described it, though that street has some dark nooks at night that would give me the willies in either direction. This might not matter either but I think the walk is more dangerous in that direction because it is right outside the HDR doors that they mark you.

Kid Cisco,
That we will probably never know. For what its worth, they did go straight for the pocket that happened to have the money in it. Also, was it just bad luck that the one time he got hit in all the times he has made that walk was the time he had a lot of dough? Your guess is as good as mine.

MJG Dogs,
I agree with most of your points, but not completely.

It could have been a HDR employee that set him up. But it is just as likely if not more so, that it was any number of people that hang around that hotel. Need I remind everyone that all the girls are private contractors who don't have to worry about being fired (theres always fresh meat coming in) and some of them have a very bad reputation in terms of drug or gambling problems that they need to support, rolling drunken gringos or even drugging them themselves, and any other number of scams (a huge part of the reason I increasingly don't like the place). Also, while the security keeps the street trash out, a few ticos get in and it could have been a tip-off from one of them.

Then there are the street people outside the door. I couldn't agree with you more. Its beyond me why so many gringos feel sorry for them and give them money. Or feel guilty and give them money. Or pay them off just to be rid of them. Maybe SOME of them end up there due to circumstances that are beyond their control, but not many. Unemployment in CR, is fairly small and while honest jobs might not pay much most people can get them if they're willing to work for a living and they're not not drug or alcohol addicted. Besides, whether they could work or not, that doesn't make it any of our problem and even paying one of them encourages all the rest. In general at the very least they are a huge nuisance and at worst a distraction in which other more evilly intentioned ones can mask themselves and far too often strike when we let down our guard. And we can never REALLY be sure which is which or who is who.

Finally, re: your last comment, it is easy to sluff off the cases of robbery as someone acting foolishly or getting too drunk. While that might be true in most or at least many cases, it lulls us into thinking "if I keep my wits about me it won't happen to me". Well it can happen to any of us, even if we always do everything right and lets face it even if we're good there will be times when anyone can slip up. In this case, the monger in question made the unfortunate error of thinking it was always safe before it would be safe this time. He hadn't been drinking, he had a wingperson (albeit just a chica who may or may not have been in on it), there were people around (unfortunately some of the wrong people) and it wasn't that late. Carrying large amounts of cash is always a big no-no but what are you going to do if you just won a large amount at the casino? Easy answer: take a cab for the lousy 2 blocks even if you wouldn't normally under other circumstances. Unfortunately, I know people who have been hit right outside the hotel door, so even taking a cab is no absolute guarantee.

Johnny Sax
03-07-06, 06:21
Wrong Answer- Ignore the beggars. If you cave in to them, more and more of them will show up. Also if you cave into them, then you ruin it for all other gringos, for then they will bother the hell out of all of us, sorry to sound callous but the best way to treat them is to ignore them, or to kindly, but with a firm voice say "no". We do not want to have a reputation as "easy targets"..

Right. And besides, as I pointed out, these are not people who are hungry and want to eat, these are people who are crack addicts and want to get high - again and again... By giving them money you are only perpetuating their addiction.

Even homeless advocates here in the states say that one should not give money to beggars, as most will just use it for drugs or alcohol. That is why they have food programs here.

My buddy and I got accosted by some American guy in San Jose' last year. He was very persistent so we agreed to buy him food, as we were on our way to McDonalds. He took the food "to go" and then hit us up for cash. It was the money he was after. I guarantee you he either tried to sell the food to someone who had a little coin, or else he threw it away. He was a crack addict, I could see it in his eyes, and he had no interest in food.

MJG Dogs
03-07-06, 06:52
Right. And besides, as I pointed out, these are not people who are hungry and want to eat, these are people who are crack addicts and want to get high - again and again... By giving them money you are only perpetuating their addiction.

Even homeless advocates here in the states say that one should not give money to beggars, as most will just use it for drugs or alcohol. That is why they have food programs here.

My buddy and I got accosted by some American guy in San Jose' last year. He was very persistent so we agreed to buy him food, as we were on our way to McDonalds. He took the food "to go" and then hit us up for cash. It was the money he was after. I guarantee you he either tried to sell the food to someone who had a little coin, or else he threw it away. He was a crack addict, I could see it in his eyes, and he had no interest in food.

Sounds like Oscar. Oscar hangs out with his famous line" need anything man", "need anything man". be wary of this guy,if this is the same guy, he is trouble. He was actually deported from the United States and actually wanted me to contact his mother, who is somewhere in the san fernando valley, I live in manhattan beach. I politely lied to him and said that I had moved to Miami.

Johnny Sax
03-07-06, 07:09
Chilimike,
A few minor points. First, not that it matters, but it was him that told his chica to run, not the robbers. Secondly, he was walking DOWN the hill from the HDR casino back to the Prez with his chica, not the other way as you described it, though that street has some dark nooks at night that would give me the willies in either direction. This might not matter either but I think the walk is more dangerous in that direction because it is right outside the HDR doors that they mark you.

I would be willing to bet 10 to 1 that he showed what he had to someone in one of the casinos - going for money under his belt - and someone there set him up.

I do not think it is dangerous for the average person to walk from the Del Rey to the Presidente. I think this is just being overly cautious and that is fine if you choose to be that way; but I choose not to. I've been going to San Jose' for 14 years or so and have walked through a lot worse neighborhoods with money and never had one problem.



Kid Cisco,
That we will probably never know. For what its worth, they did go straight for the pocket that happened to have the money in it. Also, was it just bad luck that the one time he got hit in all the times he has made that walk was the time he had a lot of dough? Your guess is as good as mine.

Again, just my educated opinion, but I don't see this as much of a guess, it's a sure thing someone knew and someone set him up.




It could have been a HDR employee that set him up. But it is just as likely if not more so, that it was any number of people that hang around that hotel. Need I remind everyone that all the girls are private contractors who don't have to worry about being fired (theres always fresh meat coming in) and some of them have a very bad reputation in terms of drug or gambling problems that they need to support, rolling drunken gringos or even drugging them themselves, and any other number of scams (a huge part of the reason I increasingly don't like the place).
You make a good point here. It is getting worse. It ain't as mellow as it was in 1992.




Finally, re: your last comment, it is easy to sluff off the cases of robbery as someone acting foolishly or getting too drunk. While that might be true in most or at least many cases, it lulls us into thinking "if I keep my wits about me it won't happen to me". Well it can happen to any of us, even if we always do everything right and lets face it even if we're good there will be times when anyone can slip up.

I disagree here. I think it CAN happen to any of us at any time, but it is unlikely to, even in today's climate of more intensity around Gringo Gulch. I still think if one conducts oneself carefully one is very unlikely to be robbed or hurt. I would never carry $600 around there, and while I don't know for sure he revealed his secret stash to anyone, I am willing to bet he did. Surely the Tica knew of it as she watched him dress; and she could have called someone and set it up. I think it is more likely someone in the casino. But the bottom line is I would BET that someone knew of the money and someone set him up. It was not a random incident as you describe they went straight for the money.

But this goes back to my comments about the addicts hanging around there - that the police should be forced to do something. You might be surprised what some letters to the editors of Tico Times and La Nacion etc. might accomplish. If it is portrayed that he was gambling, not mongering, which is the truth if not the whole truth, it might do some good to publish this and comment on how there is no police protection in the area, and addicts are allowed to congregate there. I really think the area needs some police protection. It could get to the point where they are put on the State Dept. list of undesirable places to travel to, and THAT would hurt their pocketbooks! Mexico City was hurt by it, and it hurt them somewhat when those people were killed over on the Caribe side 10 years or so ago. I think we should make a point of publishing this incident and asking for some police presence there. Just my 2 cents. If nothing else it might drive away some tourists, which would lower the price of pussy! ;-) Just kidding. But I do think it is unacceptable that they don't have any police out there, when we and our gambling brethren bring so much money into Costa Rica. How else are those girls going to make ends meet? I know my 2 favorite girls were students who were paying for their schooling via their part-time work at the BM.

Member #2964
03-07-06, 14:53
"It is not as mello in San Jose as it was in 1992"

WOW. What a statement. Can I quote you?

How about New York? L.A.? Iran?

Common since tells anyone not to walk around late at night ; FAT, Short of Breath, LARGE WADS of CASH in any pocket, DRUNK, Bulging Wallet ( with xxx # credit cards), Rolex, Gold Chains and rings. You get the idea.

I for one have been out many nights between 1 - 4. You see a lot. And I enjoy seeing it from my taxi going from bar to bar.

I have also been warned by every doorman and taxi driver of the areas that are "muy peligroso" Dangerous as we drive around. I say Grasias.Try some of the "Short Cuts" the taxi drives thru. Wow. Interesting sightseeing at 1 or 2 in the morning.

I'm there to have fun. I realize its a city. One that is as dangerous as any in the U.S., Europe or any large city any where.

With that said. Has anyone seen Fatima (DR & KL)( had a baby in December)lately???????????

Prolijo
03-07-06, 14:55
Johnny,
Who do you think you are, parsing my post that way? Prolijo! Thats something I might have done. Actually, you misconstrued most of what I wrote. So let me take it point by point this time.

Re: my comments to ChiliMike on that stretch of road being dangerous. I said it was more dangerous to walk from the HDR that way (or from the HDR to anywhere for that matter) than it is to walk to it, ie I was speaking relatively. Your comment about it being 10-to-1 that someone there set him up only supports that view.T he reason is that is most often the place where these guys latch on to us. They know most of us carry for the girls and might be a little drunk leaving a bar (guys leave the chica cash in the safe back at your room and open that safe only when you are done). Its also where they can find a concentration of gringos. Its for much the same reason that there are so many beggars at that location too and that doesn't help matters either, making it easier for the crooks to operate. Of course, they can also target us out anywhere in the Gulch or elsewhere as well. I just think the nature of the area outside the HDR with all its distractions make it just a little more likely. The key difference in this case is that it is easier to shake them if you are walking INTO the HDR than it is if you are walking out.

Secondly, while I maintain that stretch of road can be dangerous (the number of recent muggings in that area bear me out) I never said it was so dangerous to recommend against it for the average guy. Certainly not during the day and probably not at night either as long as he is not stinking drunk and/or carrying excessive cash.

Thirdly, while I'm not about to stop walking that road at this time after dark, it still gives me a little bit of the willies, what with the shadowed recesses along the way and all. If it doesn't give anyone else the willies, walking it after dark then they are being overly confident or oblivious. Even though I'll walk it after dark, its not so safe that one shouldn't keep on their toes. Later at night, I always walk it briskly and in the center of the road scanning the area before me and occasionally behind me as I go.

BTW, while I'm covering your comments in this area, I should add what you did 14 years ago in SJ has very little relevance today. You may have walked places a thousand times before with nary an incident. I've done a lot of walking too, even after midnight, and have been fortunate enough to have never been hit. That doesn't mean it won't happen. The situation is getting worse all the time and what we could do in the past vs. what we should do today is rapidly changing.

Re: my comments to Cisco, I'd be willing to bet 20 to 1 that he was marked as target. My comment is that we "will probably never know". I should have clarified that by adding "with absolute certainty". However, I thought my subsequent comments on that subject would have revealed where I would place my bet. Its never a sure thing though this one has to be pretty close.

Re: your last comments, I don't know what you're disagreeing with. We BOTH believe it can happen to anyone at anytime. Sure it is less likely, maybe even unlikely, to happen to someone who uses common sense precautions. My point was that saying "oh, he must have drunk" or "oh, he must have flashed his cash" as an excuse (essentially blaming the victim in EVERY case) lulls us into thinking it is unlikely to happen to us. BTW, how do you win $600 at blackjack surreptitiously? Unless he hid in a bathroom stall while stashing his money, something I'm not so sure is that great an idea either, anyone who saw him win and had bad intentions was bound to be watching him very closely. He should have taken a cab period and probably even had the security guys escort him to it. The problem was that he thought like you "oh, I've always walked that short stretch beforewith money and never had a problem". Yes, if we conduct ourselves carefully it is much less likely, but it only takes for us to slip up once to become part of the statistics.

This may seem like fear mongering to you and maybe it is. At the very least no one could be happy at the direction things are going and if we don't start raising alarm bells the powers that be aren't going to do squat to do anything about it. Only when it starts hitting their own bottom line will they be likely to act.

Member #2964
03-07-06, 14:57
One more thing. A hundred Colon coin is Less then 20 cents USD.

Think about that the next time you pass by someone less fortunate then you.

Member #2666
03-07-06, 18:28
One more thing. A hundred Colon coin is Less then 20 cents USD.

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Yea good point. 2964



you guys are thinking too much about parting with a few cents and how you can change the world by being a cheap bastard or how they should change their lives for your conveniences of not having to listen to them or walk around them.


If ya'll are so cause driven start working on the air pollution that you breath while spewing out all your self righteous crap.

Johnny Sax
03-07-06, 18:35
Yea good point. 2964



you guys are thinking too much about parting with a few cents and how you can change the world by being a cheap bastard or how they should change their lives for your conveniences of not having to listen to them or walk around them.


If ya'll are so cause driven start working on the air pollution that you breath while spewing out all your self righteous crap.

Jeez, how many times do we have to say it: It isn't ABOUT THE MONEY. It's about not encouraging these ADDICTS to hang out and pester us to death just so they can go get high again and again.

I DO give to women sitting with their hand out, almost every time, sometimes $1-5 U.S..

Helping crack addicts get their next hit is not helping anyone, least of all those who keep smoking it, and not us who have to put up with them throwing their cup up in our face and begging "Please, please!", either.

So if you understand that point and still think you should give them money, then let me say "Let's agree to disagree on this".

Jaimito Cartero
03-07-06, 18:42
It could have also been an inside job. The first time I ever took a chica to the beach (1989), she mentioned during the trip that a "friend" of hers had wanted her to bring me some place so he could rip me off, and they would split the money.

Intelligently, she knew she could get more in the long run from me directly. However, some chicas are not so forward thinking.

I've walked in much worse neighborhoods that the one where this happened. However, I often have a local Tico friend with me who can watch my back. I also don't drink or carry large amounts of money with me.

Jaimito Cartero
03-07-06, 18:57
If you're handing out $1-$5 each time you pass them, then you're supporting that person, and perhaps their whole family. Or maybe buying their liquor, or buying drugs for their handlers.

Some of the panhandlers may be in a group that works together. I know in other countries (Thailand in particular), that some of the gangs run panhandling groups, and they'll get amputees, and kids to panhandle.

I have some rural families in Costa Rica that I help every school year. I drive out and bring school clothes, notebooks, plus basic food staples. There are about 10 kids in the main family I help. No electricity, no running water, no indoor plumbing, no car and no phone.

The father and the oldest son turned a 6 hectare piece of land into producing farm in less than a year. Plantains and many other cash producing crops are now going good. All the school age kids are actually going to school, with 2 actually in high school for the first time in his family.

I'm much rather give my money to something that I can see the results of. It's not going for booze or drugs, and helps a real family a little bit.

I've also donated a little to Jackson's Charity Fund in Argentina, and gone with them as they brought clothing, and the monthly check for the kid's lunch kitchens that they support. I think just a few dollars feeds a kid for the whole month. It may be the only good meal they get.

Johnny Sax
03-07-06, 18:59
Johnny,
Who do you think you are, parsing my post that way? Prolijo! Thats something I might have done. Actually, you misconstrued most of what I wrote. So let me take it point by point this time.
You're right, in re-reading what you wrote below, I did miscontrue some of it. Sorry about that. I missed the part about him winning the cash at the casino, I was thinking he was on his way back from his room, TO the casino. It was late and I was doing 2-3 things at once. If he was not drunk, walking to his room FROM the casino, with the money, then yes, he should have taken a cab. This also explains why they knew where he stashed the money. It was clearly a set-up, as you say, 20-1 odds.


Secondly, while I maintain that stretch of road can be dangerous (the number of recent muggings in that area bear me out) I never said it was so dangerous to recommend against it for the average guy. Certainly not during the day and probably not at night either as long as he is not stinking drunk and/or carrying excessive cash.
Okay, then we agree. I never carry more than $100 on me at night, which even then is probably too much. But sometimes I am traveling around to Idem or to some other club where I need cash. Of course now I realize Idem takes credit cards, so in the future I won't need to carry cash for that, either. I'm moving towards just carrying a credit card, my passport and maybe 10 x 1mil colones notes at night.



Thirdly, while I'm not about to stop walking that road at this time after dark, it still gives me a little bit of the willies, what with the shadowed recesses along the way and all. If it doesn't give anyone else the willies, walking it after dark then they are being overly confident or oblivious. Even though I'll walk it after dark, its not so safe that one shouldn't keep on their toes. Later at night, I always walk it briskly and in the center of the road scanning the area before me and occasionally behind me as I go.

BTW, while I'm covering your comments in this area, I should add what you did 14 years ago in SJ has very little relevance today. You may have walked places a thousand times before with nary an incident. I've done a lot of walking too, even after midnight, and have been fortunate enough to have never been hit. That doesn't mean it won't happen. The situation is getting worse all the time and what we could do in the past vs. what we should do today is rapidly changing.
Point taken. I ALWAYS walk looking over my shoulder a bit at night in San Jose'. One needs to be aware. At one point a guy who looked like an addict crossed over the street and started following me. I increased my gait to a run and crossed the street. He yelled at me, "Don't run from me, you something or other, I'll catch up to you and slit your throat!" It was a black guy who spoke English, probably from the Caribe side. I was near a security guard so I stopped there for a second until he moved on. It pays to be aware of who is following you. I don't think he would have slit my throat, I think he was just pissed that I ran from him.

As to my comment re walking all over SJ for 14 years, what I meant is that I STILL walk in San Jose'. I know, it's dumb, and I do NOT recommend it; but sometimes I have trouble getting a cab from somewhere, I'm very impatient, and I say, Ah screw it! and just walk. I walked back from Idem one night. Frankly I didn't feel it was that dangerous between there and the Del Rey, but that's just me. I was not drunk, I am tall, and I keep my wits about me. Maybe I get some kind of thrill out of living "on the edge" but I do walk in places I probably shouldn't at times, even now. But NOT carrying $600.



Re: your last comments, I don't know what you're disagreeing with. We BOTH believe it can happen to anyone at anytime. Sure it is less likely, maybe even unlikely, to happen to someone who uses common sense precautions. My point was that saying "oh, he must have drunk" or "oh, he must have flashed his cash" as an excuse (essentially blaming the victim in EVERY case) lulls us into thinking it is unlikely to happen to us.

I misconstrued and thought you were saying the average person should always take a cab from the Del Rey to the Presidente. That's what I was disagreeing with.



BTW, how do you win $600 at blackjack surreptitiously? Unless he hid in a bathroom stall while stashing his money, something I'm not so sure is that great an idea either, anyone who saw him win and had bad intentions was bound to be watching him very closely. He should have taken a cab period and probably even had the security guys escort him to it. The problem was that he thought like you "oh, I've always walked that short stretch before with money and never had a problem". Yes, if we conduct ourselves carefully it is much less likely, but it only takes for us to slip up once to become part of the statistics.

This may seem like fear mongering to you and maybe it is. At the very least no one could be happy at the direction things are going and if we don't start raising alarm bells the powers that be aren't going to do squat to do anything about it. Only when it starts hitting their own bottom line will they be likely to act.
Agreed. If you win over $100 you should take a cab even to the Presidente. Sad but true. I really think that some pressure should be put on the Del Rey and Key Largo to do something about posting some effective security in the area. If a LOT of people start to complain about the addicts hanging around, that would be a start. I don't need some addict distracting me with his cup while some guy is waiting around a doorway to jump me, that's for sure.

Johnny Sax
03-07-06, 19:05
If you're handing out $1-$5 each time you pass them, then you're supporting that person, and perhaps their whole family. Or maybe buying their liquor, or buying drugs for their handlers.

Let me be clear: I am NOT handing out $1-5 each time I pass anyone; and I am only passing out $1-5 to those old women who are obviously in need, not some junkie working for some organized pan-handling scheme. It's pretty easy to tell the difference, I think.

I admire what you did for the family with the farm. Good for you.

Jaimito Cartero
03-07-06, 19:27
Let me be clear: I am NOT handing out $1-5 each time I pass anyone; and I am only passing out $1-5 to those old women who are obviously in need, not some junkie working for some organized pan-handling scheme. It's pretty easy to tell the difference, I think.

I don't really differentiate between drug addicts and other panhandlers. The frail old lady was probably put out there by someone. Whether a family member, or part of an organized group, it's still very likely.

Personally I just dislike the tension of telling someone no, or just ignoring them. There can be real danger in these situations as well.

I had taken a chica to Limon, and we were eating at a restaurant with some outside seating. A black guy came up and was asking for something. My Spanish was super limited at that time (late 80's), and I just thought he was asking for money. He just grabbed the bottle of Fanta off the table and started chugging it. The restaurant people came out and started yelling at him. It turns out, that he was asking for something to drink.

Kids are my soft spot, however, I won't give them money for nothing.

Last year in Jakarta, there was a 7 year old girl along with a 4 year old brother asking for money to buy food. I asked them if it was really for food or not. The girl said it was. So instead of just handing her money, I took them in to the KFC that was right next to us, I bought them both kids meals, and then walked them outside.

As I was leaving, I saw them running over to their mom sitting on the ground about 40 meters away. They acted like it was Christmas.

In Lima, last year, I ran into some of the most persistant kid panhandlers I've ever seen. (I've since found out how to dissuade them, but I'll leave that for another story) I had one kid follow me for a mile, with a mantra of "Gimme money" the whole fucking way.

One kid in particular, would hit me every time I got around the Parque in Miraflores. I told him that I would not *give* him any money. On a Sunday night late, I went out to get some big bottles of water. Everything was closed. He came up to me with his normal request. I told him that I would pay him if he could find me a couple of big bottles of water, and then carry them back to my hotel. It took him about 4 different places before he could find one that had them, but in the end he worked for it.

Not a real comparison, but I recall an article a number of years back, that some of the panhandlers at the Port Authority in NYC were making over $100,000 a year.

Enough proselytizing for now. :)

Osgood
03-07-06, 20:43
The guy who was robbed, was walking a chica back to the blue marlin and had just sessioned with her at the presidente,he was gonna gamble crap's in the colonial with $600. Going up the hill,not down.

Prolijo
03-08-06, 05:11
Here are some thoughts some of you might find interesting. To be honest I haven't really thought these through completely and don't want suggest I agree with everything I'm about to repeat but it is food for thought.

First of all to those who think not giving to beggars is a matter of being cheap or that giving to them is a matter of personal choice, I think you just don't get it. Like Jamito I donate a considerable sum on a monthly basis to children in a variety of underdeveloped countries. This isn't at all about whether we are talking about $1-5, 20 cents or $600. If you want to help someone throwing your money away on the street is NOT the best way to help. If you want to help, help those who are already trying to help themselves rather than those who make their living by being a pest to yourselves AND your fellow mongers. If you have to throw your money away on the street, at least do it in an area that the rest of us don't have to walk. You think its something that's a matter of personal choice or something that we can agree to disagree, but it isn't really. I don't know if any of those begging outside the HDR have genuine needs that can't be met elsewhere if they put even half as much effort at making an honest living rather than pestering the rich and foolish gringos. Mmaybe there are some, though I doubt any of us can really tell for sure which if any they are. I do know this, however, when the lazy and the shiftless see others getting money, they feel entitled to a piece of that pie too whether they really deserve it or not. One or two beggars managing to get us to part with our coin leads to a dozen or more others trying the same thing. And all of us have to deal with that whether we want to fall for their sob stories or not. More importantly, given the recent subject of security, the throngs of beggars, scammers and other street riffraff that your largese attracts provide an effective screen for the genuine criminals to take advantage of, making the situation around that hotel dangerous for ALL of us.

So far, so good, at least as far as I'm concerned. You may disagree with my above statements. But here is where I'd like to really add the food for thought.

Argument #1. The subject of what to pay and what to tip the chicas has come up here and elsewhere many times. What to pay and what to tip is argued as a matter or personal choice by those who like to overpay or to act generous and impress the chicas who if truth be told probably just see them as fools to be taken advantage of. Most vets would argue that all the monger newbies that have hit the BM in the last few years and readily pay the cien por una hora o menos because that rate would be a steal back in the US have driven up the expectations of many of the BM chicas. So their "personal choice" has had consequences for the rest of us. Does this argument sound familiar? I raise this not because I want to restart that debate. Its not about whether this argument is right or wrong. However if any of you have used this argument in regards to what to pay chicas and yet still feel that contributing to panhandlers is any different, well that just might be a little hypocritical.

Argument #2, and I know this one will really raise up a storm. The moral crusaders have made one argument against mongering in general that I don't have a ready answer to. Maybe someone here could help me out. Whenever, those moral crusaders have failed to distinguish between the creeps that travel to developing countries to exploit children for sex with "mongering" in general, I, and I'm sure most of you, have always pointed out that those creeps are an incredibly small percentage of the total sex tourism market and that the vast majority of us only engage in consensual (albeit commercial) sex with adult women (albeit sometimes just over 18). Well the new argument is, and they have statistics to back this up, that while that might be true, our market provides a milieu in which these few creeps can operate and hide. Think about that the next time you sit down to have a beer at the BM. Is that guy sitting next to you thinking about which underground child prostitution ring to call after he leaves? Have you ever heard some jerk boasting to his buddies about how young the chica he was just with in a way that made you uncomfortable and yet you failed to speak up?

So what does this have to do with anything other than just as something to think about? Well maybe nothing but I do see some similarities with the argument that the crowd of panhandlers outside the HDR provide cover for real criminals. Maybe most are just down on their luck, or else just pathetic losers with a drug problem and maybe you want to support that element, but their being their provides a cover for what even the most bleedinghearted of us would consider less well intentioned individuals.

I realize this post was a little bit all over the map, but it does make you think, n'est pas?

Johnny Sax
03-08-06, 05:22
Here are some thoughts some of you might find interesting. To be honest I haven't really thought these through completely and don't want suggest I agree with everything I'm about to repeat but it is food for thought.

First of all to those who think not giving to beggars is a matter of being cheap or that giving to them is a matter of personal choice, I think you just don't get it. Like Jamito I donate a considerable sum on a monthly basis to children in a variety of underdeveloped countries. This isn't at all about whether we are talking about $1-5, 20 cents or $600. If you want to help someone throwing your money away on the street is NOT the best way to help. If you want to help, help those who are already trying to help themselves rather than those who make their living by being a pest to yourselves AND your fellow mongers. If you have to throw your money away on the street, at least do it in an area that the rest of us have to walk. You think its something thats a matter of personal choice or something that we can agree to disagree, but it isn't really. I don't know if any of those begging outside the HDR have genuine needs that can't be met elsewhere if they put even half as much effort at making an honest living rather than pestering the rich and foolish gringos, maybe there are some, though I doubt any of us can really tell for sure which if any they are. I do know this, however, when the lazy and the shiftless, see others getting money, they feel entitled to a piece of that pie too whether they really deserve it or not. One or two beggars managing to get us to part with our coin leads to a dozen or more others trying the same thing. And all of us have to deal with that whether we want to fall for their sob stories or not. More importantly, given the recent subject of security, the throngs of beggars, scammers and other streetriff that your largese attracts provide an effective screen for the genuine criminals to take advantage of, making the situation around that hotel dangerous for ALL of us.

So far, so good, at least as far as I'm concerned. You may disagree with my above statements. But here is where I'd like to really add the food for thought.

Argument #1. The subject of what to pay and what to tip the chicas has come up here and elsewhere many times. What to pay and what to tip is argued as a matter or personal choice by those who like to overpay or to act generous and impress the chicas who if truth be told probably just see them as fools to be taken advantage of. Most vets would argue that all the monger newbies that have hit the BM in the last few years and readily pay the cien por una hora o menos because that rate would be a steal back in the US have driven up the expectations of many of the BM chicas. So their "personal choice" has had consequences for the rest of us. Does this argument sound familiar? I raise this not because I want to restart that debate. Its not about whether this argument is right or wrong. However if any of you have used this argument in regards to what to pay chicas and yet still feel that contributing to panhandlers is any different, well that just might be a little hypocritical.
...etc...

Well I totally 100% agree with this first part. The rest of it is a matter of much debate and I'd have to think about it more, and maybe if you want to start a debate over tipping chicas that might be better in a seperate thread?

Kid Cisco
03-08-06, 16:42
I have some background in Law enforcement, in it NEVER surprise me when the details comes out that somewhere or some place the victim has either shown or told someone about his wealth or someone seen his $$$ (and knows wheres it at), I seen MANY gringos over the years get rip off and mugged in Rio from the working girls boyfriends.

This is one of the 1st times I heard about this open assault on a gringo like this Costa Rica, GUYS just don't flash or show you cash TO ANYONE just keep what you need on you, DON'T try to flash or show off your cash around these girls.

NO matter how much you pay them some will feel that you won't miss a few extra hundreads if you give them or their boyfriend the change to robbed you.

Kid Cisco

MJG Dogs
03-08-06, 20:38
I have some background in Law enforcement, in it NEVER surprise me when the details comes out that somewhere or some place the victim has either shown or told someone about his wealth or someone seen his $$$ (and knows wheres it at), I seen MANY gringos over the years get rip off and mugged in Rio from the working girls boyfriends.

This is one of the 1st times I heard about this open assault on a gringo like this Costa Rica, GUYS just don't flash or show you cash TO ANYONE just keep what you need on you, DON'T try to flash or show off your cash around these girls.

NO matter how much you pay them some will feel that you won't miss a few extra hundreads if you give them or their boyfriend the change to robbed you.

Kid Cisco

Not this first time. this has been going on since 1992, when I made my first visit. It is just much much worse now. Of course you are correct about not flashing cash , rolex's etc.... Also never tell a Del rey girl anything about how much money you make etc.... Do not trust any of the chicas...

Prolijo
03-09-06, 01:39
I've done a little re-reading myself. I went back and read the original CRT post and it turns out ChiliMike was actually correct about which way this guy was traveling (and I was actually wrong about something for the very first time :) ). I guess I misread the original post because I just assumed that the only reason a guy would be carrying that much dough would be because he had just won it at the casino. I couldn't imagine ANY reason why anyone would carry that much dough from their hotel room where they have a perfectly good safe (and still can't). It seems like more than I would ever need to gamble with at one sitting but if I did need that much I'd probably charge it in the relative safety of the casino rather than carry it around with me on a dark street.

Anyway, given the correct information, I think it much more likely this incident was really just some dumb luck for the crooks (and just dumb for the victim). Unless the guy really was flashing the money around (which I doubt, why would he just walking through a lobby) no one but the chica could have known that he was carrying that much and where. And unless the chica somehow knew in advance that he would be carrying it she hardly had enough time to alert anyone (according to the victim she hadn't made any cell phone calls as they were leaving the Prez).

It doesn't really matter though, my argument wasn't really about whether he was set up. I was arguing that the danger eminates mostly from the area right outside the door of the HDR and the environment that has been allowed to fester and grow there. As it turns out this particular case does not really support my argument. But it doesn't contradict it either and I still stand by what I have said.

As for all the woulda shoulda's that have been covered here. The various preventatives are all well and good. And most of them will lessen the liklihood you might get hit. But none of them will totally eliminate it. And the precaution about not carrying a lot of cash really has NOTHING at all to do with reducing your odds of getting hit (though flashing it certainly increases it). Carrying limited cash is only really about reducing the impact once you DO get hit. No matter what you do, everyone should figure it could happen to them and eventually will if you push your luck far enough.

That doesn't mean we should all stop walking, though if some people want to do that it is their business. Personally, I'm still willing to take that calculated risk in most but not all situations (even I have limits). That calculation is based on the assumption that if (or should I say when) in that rare instance my luck finally does runs out, by far the most likely outcome will be I'll be out $20-40 tops. My session money always stays in the room unless I'm going to an MP and the only MP I ever occasionally go to after dark is IDEM. If I need to carry more than that it is because I'm going to a stripclub and you pretty much HAVE to take a cab for any of them. Besides the really inconsequential monetary loss, I really don't anticipate any injury even if they threaten me with a machete, because it not worth it to me to greatly increase my chances of getting hurt by resisting for such a small amount. I'll probably be a little shaken up for a little while afterwards but that will disappear quickly as I down a few drinks with my buddies and tell them about my latest war story. I won't call it an experience I'd ever seek out, but all in all not such a horrible thing to have been through. When they start shooting or stabbing their victims just for fun after robbing them like they do in some other places then I might change my tune.

BTW, Johnny, I didn't mean to re-raise the whole tipping debate. My point was that there were some similarities in the arguments used in that debate and the debate on the effects of contributing to panhandlers.

Johnny Sax
03-11-06, 20:00
My session money always stays in the room unless I'm going to an MP and the only MP I ever occasionally go to after dark is IDEM. If I need to carry more than that it is because I'm going to a stripclub and you pretty much HAVE to take a cab for any of them.

Just to remind you, Zona Blue, New Fantasy, and Idem accept debit and credit cards, so when going there you need not carry any cash except for the taxi, and tips if you are so inclined. I have not been there but I am guessing Oasis does not accept tarjetas?

This is the first time I've heard of anyone being mugged in the Del Rey area. I will now be even more careful than I was before. What is upsetting to me is that no one saw and helped the guy. Someone should have tackled the sonofabitch with the machete and beat him to a pulp. (-; Not sure I would have the guts to get involved... but certainly if there were police in the area, they should have.

I still say we should put pressure on the Del Rey and Key Largo and casinos to employ security guards for the area or get police presence. You know those guys pay off the cops each month, so how hard would it be to get some protection there?

Cray9564
03-14-06, 07:41
I am heading to San Jose for a mid-week trip. Tuesday - Friday. Are things slow during this time (midweek)? Any advice from you Vet's would be appreciated. First-timer (Rookie). Using Work as a cover. Please advise. Any and all suggestions will help.

I have read through the first few pages or so. However, I would like to know the best Massage Parlour's, StripClub's and Brothel's.

I keep reading Blue Marlin. Zona Blue or beach?, etc.

Johnny Sax
03-14-06, 23:50
I am heading to San Jose for a mid-week trip. Tuesday - Friday. Are things slow during this time (midweek)? Any advice from you Vet's would be appreciated. First-timer (Rookie). Using Work as a cover. Please advise. Any and all suggestions will help.

I have read through the first few pages or so. However, I would like to know the best Massage Parlour's, StripClub's and Brothel's.

I keep reading Blue Marlin. Zona Blue or beach?, etc.

First, be careful to cover your tracks if you are married and using work as a cover... Be careful where you use your credit card and if you carry condoms, etc., be sure to cover all your tracks...

Things are slower midweek, but since this is high season, there will still be plenty of action, in fact I PREFER it mid-week, as it's less crowded.

My advice would be to try to hook up with someone who knows the ropes; usually there are guys sitting around in the Del Rey bar (Blue Marlin) who are there alone and don't mind sharing their experiences. However, consider the source: some guys there are the type who will pay $100 without hesitation and never try to bargain them down to a more appropriate $60-80, and that is only for the hot ones; the fat ones etc. you should be able to get much cheaper.

I would only "observe" at Blue Marlin and Key Largo (across the street from BM) the first night, only go for someone if they really strike you as well worth the $60-80 you will part with.

The next day or earlier that day, I would hit Zona Blue which is more or less a "house of prostitution", moreso than a massage parlor, though you can get them to massage you if you wish. You walk in, sit at the bar in the back, and see who's there while you sip a beer. If someone strikes you as worthwhile, smile at her, and motion her over to you or go over to her. Go right back to a room or stay and have a beer with her, it's your choice. It is a set price, $48 and you can pay by credit card - though, if you are doing this on the sly, you may not want to. Pay cash in that case. The $48 is for a solid hour. I think they close at 9 or so, so get their early, the afternoon is best from what I hear though I never could get over there that early. Once you choose the girl, you go to a room with her and she'll ask you for the money which she'll then take to the management. Then she'll come back. You can do what you want: shower first, massage first, whatever, it's your hour. I recommend this becasue 1) it's cheaper than Blue Marlin, and 2) it's all set, no negotiating, no bullshit. And at least some of the girls are very attractive.

2) You may want to check out New Fantasy first. However I don't hold much hope of your finding a hot chick there, the last 2 times I checked it the girls there were not very attractive. But back in the day this was my favorite place because they have lockers to put your stuff in, they have a sauna that is great, showers by the sauna, and so you could have a nice sauna with your chick, she gets naked, you play around a bit with her to get in the mood, and then go back to her room. I think New Fantasy is set up better than Zona Blue due to the lockers and sauna and showers, and if the chicks were hot, there, it would be my #1 recommendation. If New Fan. is not good, it's 2 blocks up the hill to the right when you walk out of New Fan., to Zona Blue, and it will be on the corner over on the left.

3) Oasis is the one place everyone raves about, it's cheaper than Zona Blue and New Fantasy but I've never been over there. You may want to check it out. Not sure if all the taxi drivers know about it, so see this site for instructions on how to find it. By the way, does this place have lockers, sauna or anything or is it just a pure "house" of pros.?

Those are the ones I'd recommend for a set price.

As for pro. bars it's pretty much Key Largo and Blue Marlin. Key Largo has live music most nights and it may be dead until the music gets going around 10pm. Personally I prefer the atmosphere of Key Largo and I like to hang out with a chick a while, buy some drinks and dance before making the trip to my hotel. That's just my preference. That said, many of the hottest chicks don't go to Key Largo and for some odd reason I've never understoos, Key Largo tends to attract some of the fatter and uglier chicks. Nevertheless there are plenty of good ones there, too. I generally go back and forth between the two, and if I find someone I like at BM I ask her to go over to Key Largo to sit and drink and dance.

Do not accept the price of $100 UNLESS 1) she's SUPER hot; 2) it's for the whole night or at least a couple hours; and 3) you can't find anyone else who'll accept less. Generally I just say right up front, (after talking to her awhile and deciding I like her) "Solamente tengo $60" and if she walks away, fine. If she's really awesome I might offer her $70 at that point.

My philosophy in picking chicks (and it really is an art to learn to pick the ones that will show you the best time for the least money) is to pick them based 75% or less on looks and 95% based on attitude/personality. I find that the girls who are 8's and 9's are usually more fun than the chicks who are 10's. The 10's are more likely to just want to get you off quickly and get back for another $100. In fact, you run this risk with any of them, which is why you have to choose carefully and try to choose one that is into having fun, not just doing her job and getting it over with. Part of this depends on you. Try to have fun with her, even if you don't speak spanish, you can dance with her, kid around, and so on.

Others may have their own point of view, but that's how I see it.

Strip clubs seem to be a rip off in San Jose'. I'd also be interested in hearing more about the strip clubs, myself. Do NOT go to Josephinas under any circumstances, this place is a total rip off; any strip club in the states has as good or better prices.

If you have time before your trip it may be worth your while to join Costa Rica Ticas and stay at the Presidente with their discount. Then you also get discounts at Zona Blue and other places. I'm not promoting it, but I myself plan to join for the above reasons, so just a recommendation.

If you've read the past few pages, you know to not carry much money in San Jose' and to be very careful walking around especially at night. Watch for girls who'll come up to you on the street, they'll sometimes grab your wallet. Take taxis to the massage parlors.

Have fun and report back here on what you learned!

ThunderPants
03-16-06, 18:51
I would suggest stayng at Presidente or Sportsmens Lodge. Zona Blue is good, during the day OASIS offers better selection at !/2 price but closes @ 6 p.m.Pantra Rose is a fun bar after 11:00 p.m. with eat in or take out. Sportsmen Lodge has a nice selection all afternoon and till midnite every day. I have enjoyed the week days more than the weekends in San Jose.

Get out and find places on your ow.

Red Alert
03-19-06, 08:25
Good info. Dude. Thanks for informing us fellow mongerers. Keep it up. I'm going down to CR next month.

Johnny Sax
03-19-06, 10:21
I have only been to Josephinas which must be one of the biggest rip offs in all of Central America. I haven't been to any of the others; I've read a little about Panteras but would appreciate some of you guys laying it all out for me, rating the various strip clubs and reviewing them.

Also please advise if sex is available there and if so how much; though I don't mind if it isn't available, I could still use it as a warm up to later action at Key Largo or...

I actually feel like taking a break from the mongering action if I'm there for 4-5 days and would appreciate just kicking back and watching strippers, getting a lap dance or two, without the inevitable negotiation about taking her back to my room.

So fill me in on the strip club scene, please. For starters, what are the differences between Panteras and Kamur's, for example?

Sun Devil
03-19-06, 22:09
I went to Pantera Rosa last night after doing a round of places such as Molino Rojo, Arcadas, Las Margeritas and Club Monaco with 2 other members of this site. I had a great time with 2 girls at Pantera: Cristal and Sasha. Drinks were 3500 colones for the girls and 1500 colones for myself.

By buying ladies drinks, you can pretty much touch anywhere. This goes with other clubs. Also, since Sasha was menstruating, I paid around $50 to take a new girl from Limon, who started working at Pantera on Wednesday, to one of the side rooms for 30 minutes for full service. This was after having sex with a chick named Nicole at Club Monaco for 1500 colones ($30).

I left Pantera Rosa at 6 am with the sun already up and grabbed a bite to it at the free buffet breakfast at Clarion Amon Plaza. Afterwards, it was lights out until 2 hours ago. Life is good when you´re young, single and in Costa Rica.

There are a lot of other options in San Jose than the Del Rey. Tonight I am going to Kamur and Depelufo, two other viable options than the Del Rey, because Pantera is closed on Sundays. The price for taking a chick in the back room at Kamur is $75.

Johnny Sax
03-20-06, 20:27
I went to Pantera Rosa last night after doing a round of places such as Molino Rojo, Arcadas, Las Margeritas and Club Monaco with 2 other members of this site. I had a great time with 2 girls at Pantera: Cristal and Sasha. Drinks were 3500 colones for the girls and 1500 colones for myself.

By buying ladies drinks, you can pretty much touch anywhere. This goes with other clubs. Also, since Sasha was menstruating, I paid around $50 to take a new girl from Limon, who started working at Pantera on Wednesday, to one of the side rooms for 30 minutes for full service. This was after having sex with a chick named Nicole at Club Monaco for 1500 colones ($30).

I left Pantera Rosa at 6 am with the sun already up and grabbed a bite to it at the free buffet breakfast at Clarion Amon Plaza. Afterwards, it was lights out until 2 hours ago. Life is good when you´re young, single and in Costa Rica.

There are a lot of other options in San Jose than the Del Rey. Tonight I am going to Kamur and Depelufo, two other viable options than the Del Rey, because Pantera is closed on Sundays. The price for taking a chick in the back room at Kamur is $75.


Thanks for the details; Pantera Rosa does'nt sound too bad, as long as the girls don't just down watered-down drinks like water...

How was Club Monaco, safety wise. I originally went 2 years ago when it wasn't a strip club, just a bar. Found a super hot and friendly chick there and took her upstairs for $15! or was it $20? Well, anyway, I know it wasn't $30. Anyway I went back by there a few weeks ago, and it looked somehow spookier than before. Maybe the 1st time I was just too drunk to notice... Were there other gringos when you went? Did it have any "threatening" vibe to it or was it pretty mellow? Actually I wanted to go but my buddy didn't like the place, and I didn't want to go alone in that area. How many girls were there when you went?

Please report back on Kamur and Depelufo - this one I've never heard of! Where is it?

Prolijo
03-21-06, 02:59
Kamur is 1km due south of Arcada's and Molino Rojo making it a good stop either before or after visiting those places (but don't walk it). It recently changed management and I haven't been there since it happened but they have since gotten very good reviews (maybe a double is really a double now). You can check out www.kamurnightclub.com/ing.html to get an idea of the quality of the girls. (Kelly, Roxana and Rubi are my faves)

D'Pelufo (correct spelling) is nowhere near those other clubs but is well worth going to on its own. It is on the east side of San Pedro which is east of downtown. Just tell the cabbie "50 metros este de Muñoz y Nanne en San Pedro" (its also indicated on my map). The place is very grungy but the girls can be very hot and friendly. www.dpelufo.com will give you an idea of what you might find there. Keep in mind some work at the Alajuela club and some may not work there at all anymore (don't know how often they update the website), but the quality is there. They're particularly known for their lesbo show on Sunday nights which feature a variety of opportunities for audience participation. Cover charge is 3500c and includes 2 drink tickets. Seats at the front during the show cost 2K more and comes with 2 more tickets, but you need to get there early to get one (no later than 9:30). Subsequent drinks if 4 ain't enough are 1K. Private dances lasting 2-3 songs are 5K. If you're an exhibitionist you can get longer lap dances on stage for 1K. The dances can get very intimate and you can get your rocks off but you ain't going to get fucked, at least not on site. What you might be able to arrange with the girls for later on is another story.

Sun Devil
03-21-06, 17:30
Thanks Chase Star for answering Sr. Sax. I have been too busy getting drunk and chasing chicks to get back on this website. If you like young hot looking Latinas, D´Pelufo is the place to go. Every taxi driver should know this place. Be sure to mention that you want to go to the San Pedro location, because they have another one in Alajuela, which is near the airport. The entrance is in the back, around a gravel driveway, and they are open on Sundays, unlike a lot of clubs in San Jose.

Like Chase Star said, full service is not on the menu, but bj is available, depending on the girl. A girl named Mitchell is one that comes to mind. Plus, when you go in, they will give you a ticket that will discount the entrance fee to 500 colones on a subsequent trip.

Sun Devil
03-22-06, 00:20
Another massage parlor in the neighborhood of Oasis is VIP. The fee for massage and full service is 17,000 colones for a room that has a jacuzzi and a king sized bed. For those wanting only a massage table, the fee is 14,000 colones.

I went today and chose Mitchell since all the good ones at Oasis were busy satisfying customers in the rooms. For anal and BBBJCIM, she asked for a tip, which I happily complied.

Johnny Sax
03-22-06, 11:47
Anyone been to this place "Bikinis"? A hair cutting place where you can get sex? or...? Please report... (I did a search but didn't find anything here...)

Rebel Monger
03-23-06, 01:26
Anyone been to this place "Bikinis"? A hair cutting place where you can get sex? or...? Please report... (I did a search but didn't find anything here...)Isn't that the place that burned down a long time ago?

KYJ
03-23-06, 16:59
The hair cut place closed a few years ago.

ChiliMike
03-24-06, 00:30
Well, as sun devil reported i was one of the members he went to a few clubs with...(sun devil is a great guy and fun to hang with ) with all the reports and info we share on this board and c.r.t. you would think that many gringos would show up at these clubs.However i have yet to see anthor american in these clubs unless they are with us, and i went to all the clubs the last 7 nites in a row ....every nite. As some of you might have remembered i wrote about the american being robbed near b.m. so i had to check it out, and the story was true!
So i was a little more carefull this trip and walked less but i didnt feel i was in any danger at any time, only once did it get a little funny....as myself and a friend were coming out of VIPS 2 there were 4 taxi guys waiting for people coming out the door. And the first one out the door asks...taxi sir and i say yes and we start to walk toward the cab and a differnt taxi guy says ..taxi sir..and i say we have a guy, and my friend says lets go to the club next door and so we start up the steet. Well let me tell you, it was like something on C.N.N. the second taxi starts a fight with the first one i guess for jumping his turn and the 3 of them beat this guy to the near death (over a $1.00 fare) i mean i was all the way up the street and i could hear fists hitting skin and then the guy drops and the kicking starts...he was able to drive away ( i dont know how ) but he got away.
On this trip i keep spending less and less time at bm and the key largo at best was the last place to go...i only took 2 girls out of the bm and spent only 50.00 both times and sex was ...just ok...the one girl i took out of key largo never made it to my room as she was a ***** who didnt think she was a ***** ...i tried my best with her as she was hot but before making it to my room ..she wanted something to eat (bad sign) but i said ok...thinking maybe with a few more drinks in this girl she would lose the princess act....it only got worst, so i throw 2.00 on the table...and i get up and tell her you are in the wrong bussiness and should get a job at the mall...i had my best sex with girls i payed 6.00 us for ....yes...i said 6.00 and had many for 7500 colones that were hot and fun...i also had a girl ask me for 200.00 us in key largo...i ask her what plant she came from....to sum it all up .....i had a great trip and found some more places that had hot girls for a 10th of the bm price...and i went and ask about a white water trip....never went on it , but i did try...as this was my 5 th trip and i have yet to see a beach or a rain forest maybe next trip....i have some more stories about this trip that i will share ...as this board has been slow the past few weeks.....

NastyBoy
03-24-06, 02:46
i have some more stories about this trip that i will share ...as this board has been slow the past few weeks.....
Please do...especially the 6.00 us you mentioned.
NB

Johnny Sax
03-24-06, 06:06
.i have some more stories about this trip that i will share ...as this board has been slow the past few weeks.....

Please share, the more details the better, especially about all these cheaper places.

Psychman
03-26-06, 01:53
[QUOTE=Johnny Sax].

3) Oasis is the one place everyone raves about, it's cheaper than Zona Blue and New Fantasy but I've never been over there. You may want to check it out. Not sure if all the taxi drivers know about it, so see this site for instructions on how to find it. By the way, does this place have lockers, sauna or anything or is it just a pure "house" of pros?[QUOTE]Oasis does not have lockers, but it is a pretty safe place, or at least I have never heard of any of the guys having problems. The one drag is that the showers are past the room where the girls sits (on one side of the building anyhow). The price is 12,000 currently, or $24. I have probably been with 10 girls from there, and I would say that 8 have been at least good, with Laura being an absolute goddess. Adrianna is fun too, and they are smoking together.

The amenities are basic, it is not the type of place to hang out in, like Zona Blue. Accoss the street is a grear Peruvian restuarnat, and there are several other fun places in the area..

Jaimito Cartero
03-26-06, 08:55
D'Pelufo (correct spelling) is nowhere near those other clubs but is well worth going to on its own. The place is very grungy but the girls can be very hot and friendly.

Just be careful if you volunteer to go on stage. Cough.

Johnny Sax
03-28-06, 20:14
It was posted in the Photos forum that the Presidente now has a policy of "no mini skirts and no sleeveless shirts".

I will repost the original post, which was said to have been found on another reputable board:
*****
"Presidente new chica policy
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Sup gents. I just got back from another fantastic trip to CR with one notable exception. The Presidente Hotel now has a new dress code for the girls- no sleeveless shirts or miniskirts. Since it was summer down there and neither I nor my companion had a jacket, I was told my new friend could not go upstairs. I explained that the girl was dressed like every other tica in town, but the night manager at the Presidente, some prick named Luis, insisted. We exchanged words and the girl had to leave. I was too upset to party at that point anyway. It is true they aren't charging, but this new clothing policy is just about the most stupid thing I have ever experienced in all of my travels. No other hotel has this policy. Then to make matters worse, the day supervisor called me the next morning requesting a meeting. I refused, so she CAME TO MY ROOM to confront me for getting upset. It was clear that she sided with her manager and wasn't even listening to me. I will never stay at the Presidente again. I recommend Del Rey or even the Holiday Inn (although they charge extra for the girl) Thought you guys should know. Stay somewhere where they will respect you, your desires, and your privacy."
******

I totally agree with the poster: The Presidente is going too far in their policy. They can't have it both ways. Either they can accept mongers and their "girlfriends" or they can go against them. I happen to have just signed up with Costa Rica Ticas MAINLY because I wanted to stay at the Presidente with the great discount they offer. Now I fear the discount will be useless to me, as I can't imagine my wanting to stay there if they have this policy in effect.

Look, I could see them saying, "No vulgar clothing allowed", so as to weed out some chicks coming in with their asses showing or nipples peaking out above a tiny bra, something like that. But come on, there are women in mini-skirts ALL OVER San Jose during the DAY, let alone at night. And there is certainly nothing wrong with a sleeveless blouse!

It appears to me that the Presidente is deciding they don't want mongers and working girls there. So if that is the case, let's cooperate by boycotting both their hotel and their restaurant. Maybe then they'll reverse this ridiculous policy.

Our only power to address this grievance is through our decision to support them or not support them. I say we let them know that we will not be supporting them until such time as they make a more reasonable dress code policy. Again, I would not blame them for not wanting someone who was dressed outlandishly, such as I described above. But come on, a girl in a mini-skirt, high heels, and low cut dress or blouse is not offensive to anyone. You can see more than that any night on any of the cable stations, even non-pay stations like FX. And I am sure there will be gringas staying there in the summer with mini-skirts, short skirts and tops without sleeves, even - god forbid! - cleavage showing.

This seems to me to be a clear statement against us mongers and the working girls we like to bring back to the room. So I for one am going to contact Costa Rica Ticas and ask them to intervene on our behalf, and I think we all should write the Presidente and let them know they will be losing business with this policy.

Do they have the right to set a policy like this? Absolutely! And do we have the right - even responsibility - to let them know they will be losing our business because of it. Also: yes.

I will be writing them today, and I suggest you do the same.

You can write them at www dot hotel-presidente dot com, just click on the Contact page and you'll get their web form.

I suggest a very polite and civil e-mail. Here is something like what I plan to write:

Dear Sir or Madam:

It has come to my attention that you have a "no mini-skirt and no sleeveless blouse" dress code policy.

If this is true, it means that most of the girls from the Blue Marlin Bar or Key Largo cannot enter your hotel. Is this your intention? It also means that many gringas who are paying to stay there may not be acceptable to you.

Is it your intention that many men who come to San Jose' will no longer stay at your hotel because of this policy? Or that they will also not eat in your restaurant? I think you might lose money if this is the case.

I can understand your not wanting girls who are dressing or acting in an obscene way, but there is nothing wrong with mini-skirts and sleeveless blouses.

Can you tell me what exactly is your new dress code policy, and why you have made this change?

If you do not want single men to stay at your hotel and bring guests, then I think you may lose a lot of business both at your hotel and at the News Cafe'.

Sincerely,

****

Circle
03-30-06, 01:27
Hi everyone,

I need help. I just arrived in san jose. I have a list of MPs, but I can not find the addresses. Oasis, zona blue, new fantasy, etc. Where are these places? I have spent a lot of time reading the forum, but I can not find the map of downtown that everybody speaks of here. Is there a link to it somewhere? please help, as soon as possible.

Thanks

Coquí
03-30-06, 20:05
Circle

Oasis - Calle 32 Avenida 1/3 (150m N of Pollo de Kentucky/Paseo Colon)(across from Machu Pichu)

NF - Avenida 9 between calle 7 & 9 tel 221-4916

ZB - Avenida 9 calle 3b SE corner

Good luck

Prolijo
03-31-06, 01:13
Circle,
If you're referring to the map I created, you need to be a member of CRT www.**************.com in order to gain access to it. There is also a more basic but very serviceable map at Don Gordo's website www.dongordo.com

Johnny Sax
03-31-06, 09:50
Hi everyone,

I need help. I just arrived in san jose. I have a list of MPs, but I can not find the addresses. Oasis, zona blue, new fantasy, etc. Where are these places? I have spent a lot of time reading the forum, but I can not find the map of downtown that everybody speaks of here. Is there a link to it somewhere? please help, as soon as possible.

Thanks
Most taxistas will know where New Fantasy and Zona Blue are, or better yet tell them you want to go to the Don Carlos hotel, then just get out and walk around the corner, that way you won't be charged more for the taxi.

Johnny Sax
03-31-06, 11:14
As for the new dress code at the Presidente, I have the following to report:

I did write them an e-mail similar to the one I proposed below, and got an e-mail back from them the next day, which said about what I expected it to say, that is: b.s...

I checked it out over at the ************** forum, too, and most of the guys over there, it seems, feel it is perfectly okay for the Presidente to selectively discriminate against girls and guests, as they choose. I am surprised at this attitude, but I have a feeling the tune will change once a frew of them have it happen to THEM... While I feel it is the hotel's right to enforce a dress code, I do not feel good about supporting them in this, nor do I like that they are doing it.

One of the head honchos over at CRT had a meeting with the Prez mgmt. this week, and the outcome seems to me to be that nothing was accomplished, the policy remains, but while the Prez gave lip service to the hotel's continuing support of single men, their policy says otherwise, and nothing was changed in that regard.

Here is the stated policy, with my comments in [ ]

"DRESS CODE:
The Hotel instituted a dress code for our guests and visitors with the intent of maintaining a pleasant and comfortable atmosphere in the public areas of the hotel. While we understand that clothing is a personal matter, highly reflective of individual taste and style, inappropriate clothing can impact the level of decorum at the hotel. To this end, our dress code is intended as a guideline for guests and visitors.

Since every piece of clothing and its wearer are different, decisions on what is appropriate is left to the discretion of the manager on duty.

[or the doorman? And so the Manager on duty can discriminate as he/she chooses?]

While in the hotel’s public areas, guests are requested to:

-Wear shoes at all times
-Avoid low-cut or very revealing clothing

[how low? Again this is up to someone to arbitrarily decide, apparently. Random discrimination.]

-Avoid extremely short skirts or shorts

[you mean to say that gringas in short shorts will be told to cover up?]
-Keep midriffs covered [gringas in halter tops or bikini tops will be told?]

-Avoid mesh tops and swimming attire
-Avoid clothing with racist or discriminatory insignias or logos

This is the e-mail I got back from them, myself:
******
"Dear Mr. Sax:

Thank you for your interest.

The Hotel has indeed instituted a dress code for our guests and visitors with the intent of maintaining a pleasant and comfortable atmosphere in the public areas of the hotel. While we understand that clothing is a personal matter, highly reflective of individual taste and style, inappropriate clothing can impact the level of decorum at the hotel. To this end, our dress code is intended as a guideline for guests and visitors.

While in the hotel’s public areas, guests and visitors are requested to:

- Wear shoes at all times
- Avoid low-cut or very revealing clothing
- Avoid extremely short skirts or shorts
- Keep midriffs covered
- Avoid mesh tops and swimming attire
- Avoid clothing with racist or discriminatory insignias or logos

Mr. Sax, I agree with you that some pieces of clothing may technically fit in the description above, and yet be perfectly non offensive nor obscene. Since every piece of clothing and its wearer are different, decisions on what is appropriate is left to the discretion of the manager on duty.

[in other words, they are leaving it open to hassle anyone they want, at any time; selective discrimination]

If you have any other questions or suggestions please do not hesitate to contact me.

I hope to meet in you in person in Costa Rica soon.

At your service,

Daniel Mikowski H.
General Manager"
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I did not reply. I doubt I will stay there again.

I don't like anyone discriminating against me or a guest I choose to invite to my room based on some stupid dress code that can be arbitrarily enforced and arbitrarily interpreted. I go to CR to relax and have a good time. This leaves too much of an opening for problems. The last thing I want is to be having a great time, bringing a hot chick back to my room, only to have some asshole doorman tell me my girl is not presentable nor admissable. That would really [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off at that moment and I don't need that kind of shite.

But since I did not find the rooms at the Morazan nor the Gran Via adequate last month (problems with bathrooms in both hotels, among other problems), I don't know where to stay, now. The Sportsman's Lodge seems too pricey and too far from the action. The Del Rey is too noisy...

I still encourage anyone reading this who disagrees with the Presidente's policy, to write them via their web site e-mail form, at hotel-presidente dot com, and politely express your disagreement with this, and imply that you may not stay there if they continue this policy.

Member #2666
03-31-06, 19:13
on the plane back from san jose to atlanta there was a hairy guy wearing a baggy runners sleaveless shirt and some 20 year old speedo type runners shorts. real short and tight around his balls..disgusting

he was greasy as though he had just finished a run before getting on the plane.

i was thinking....if this fucker sits next to me i'm going to go postal

i felt bad for the poor bastard he sat next to.

a letter to delta is in order

Circle
03-31-06, 21:07
First let me say thanks for the information guys. I finally did find oasis, which was not bad for the price. By the way, this is my first stop on a 10 week tour. Next i´m going to Cuba, then to Dominican Republic, Venezeula, Colombia, Peru, Bolivia, Argentina, and finally Brazil. I´m hoping to surf, hike, see archeological sites, volanoes (etc), and find the most beautiful women in the world. I will be posting reports as best I can as I go, but some things will have to wait until I have more time later. So please, give me as much help as you guys can, and I in turn will give you up to date info. I have no real itinerary, but I am searching for fun, culture, and preferably semi pro action. I am 28 years old, in pretty good shape and fairly good looking. So any advice on where to find the most semi pro action for a guy like me, with limited spanish (i´m using Pimsleur 1) is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

So here is my report thus far. In oasis, I chose a girl named adriaana with large breasts and a nice medium dark complexion. She did BBBJ for 5000 extra. I also stopped by europa, but I get better looking girls than that for free at home in the US. So I went to ZB, but there wasn´t anything special there either.

The biggest surprise came to me in BM. I was nearly ready to give up on that place at first. There were lots a pretty girls, but only 10 or so I would pay for. I have kinda high standards. All the girls in the 7-9 range would hardly budge from $100. I expect a 9 for at least a couple hours to pay that much. So I was getting ready to go home alone when a very pretty girl named Nadia approached me. She seemed very interested in me and told me I was good looking, so I bought her a beer and we spoke a while. She agreed to go home with me, but when I asked how much, she said "relax, you can pay me something tomorrow"

We got to my hotel, which by the way is only $15-20 per night with private bath (pension otoya, 5 min walk to BM, which I found in the lonely planet book). Its clean but old and a little grungy. Some of you might be embarressed, but I don´t want these girls to think i´m rich, anyways. I highly recommend the hotel.

So we get home and she wants to take a shower, I join her. She drops to her knees in the shower for BBBJ. And then it was on. This girl was just like a girlfriend, except better in bed. The next morning we do it again, then just before breakfast she treats me to BBBJCIM. At this point i´m in love. So we go have breakfast, then go hang out at her friends house til the afternoon smoking weed and listening to music. Afterwhich she had to go to school for a few hours, so she asked if I could pay her something. I ask how much, she says she doesn´t know, just whatever I can. So I gave her $100.

That night we hook up and go to a club to take X and party, but I was too tired, so we went home early and just had sex again. She was upset when I told her I was leaving for the beach today. I´ll try to post pics soon when I get a chance.

Prolijo
04-01-06, 02:05
Circle,
Oh to be 28 and on a 10 week latin american tour! I'm envious. You better post as I'm looking forward to reading all about it. One quick question for you so far. I have the LP 2002 edition for CR but saw no mention of the place you described. Exactly where was that?

Member#2666,
That was me! Just kidding. That didn't sound off subject at all. In fact it sounds to me like Delta needs to start enforcing a dress code of its own.

Johnny Sax,
First re: taxistas and going to either ZB or NF. Your advice about asking for the Don Carlos when going to NF is a good one. What others should know is that both the NF and ZB pay referral commissions to taxi drivers, as do most businesses in SJ. Far too often in situations like this, even where you knew about the place on your own and asked to be brought there, the taxistas will go in and claim to have directed you there in order to "earn" a commission, the cost of which will inevitably either be tacked on to your charges if you're not aware of what they should be without a markup or be passed on to everyone in the form of higher prices. Eros MP across from Bar Idem is one place that is notorious for this. Its been a problem at ZB too, which they've been trying to combat. These cabbies can become quite belligerant with management and if the manager refuses to pay the cabbie a commission, based on the fact that they know you've been there before or that you even tell them you knew to come there on your own, the cabbies can become quite indignant. Now they have a problem of vengeful cabbies erroneously telling passengers that ask to be taken to ZB that they are closed and trying to steer them to another MP such as NF that will pay the kickback. Don't believe this if it happens to you. First of all, its perfectly safe and better for your health to simply walk to either ZB or NF during their normal business hours. If you do take a cab, ask for a nearby landmark rather than the MP (such as Don Carlos) and then after the cabbie leaves walk the block or few extra feet to where you really want to go. And if you must ask for the place specifically, at least tell the driver adios when you get there and walk in on your own and make the manager know that the driver didn't steer you there if you somehow can't manage to shake him.

Johnny,
Round 2, re: the Presidente dress code. I don't think you can really speak for the position of "most of the guys" at CRT. It seems to me there was plenty of irritation about this new policy there as well, its just that very few people there OR here have made quite as big a deal about it as you. I realize you have stayed there, but have you even had the new policy directed at you and one of your guests yet or are you just anticpating problems?

As you yourself acknowledged, it is the hotel's right to enforce a dress code of their choosing. Just because many CRT'ers, myself included, are willing to grudgingly go along or put up with the inconvenience, doesn't mean we're happy about it or think it is a well thought out plan. What it means is that we don't think there is probably all that much we can do about it at least in the short term. Did it occur to you that maybe this code was enacted as a result of complaints by non-mongers and that voicing one's complaints inappropriately (I realize you are not advocating that) as some others have, only supports the case of the non-mongers rather than our own. Besides, despite the fact this might make the Prez slightly less desirable as a place to stay for mongering, its other advantages still put it way ahead many of the alternatives, as yourself have found.

Re: selective enforcement. You see that as unfair. Perhaps you are right but I am not so sure.

Regarding gringa guests, I doubt very many if any will be dressing as provocatively as many of the BM girls and I don't think many of the other guests would complain that much even if they did (unless it was some fat cow in hot pants, which I'm sure happens even less). The policy does state that it applies to BOTH guests and visitors and the inclusion of swimwear as one of the "discouraged" articles of clothing seems much more potentially directed at female guests than to chica visitors. In fact, complaining to management about inappropriately dressed gringas or insisting on fair and evenhanded treatment, might actually be the best way of getting this new policy reversed.

Regarding it being at the discretion of the manager on duty, you were the one to interpret it "they are leaving it open to hassle anyone they want, at any time" not them. They have listed specific categories of clothing that are subject to interpretation. If the guest or visitor is not wearing any of those items they aren't subject to any arbitrary inspection. So they can't really just hassle anyone they want. Granted most BM chicas will probably have some article of clothing on that will make them subject to that discretion, which is precisely why it is good that they at least allow room for discretion rather than automatically reject them outright. I would interpret that to mean that a little skin they might let go and that they really mean to target the most egregious violations. The post you reprinted claimedthe chica was dressed like every other chica in town, but I didn't see what she was wearing. All I'm saying is let's wait to see exactly how strictly they apply this discretion before we fly off the handle.

The other thing I noted about the post that you reprinted was that the poster admitted "exchanging words" and "getting upset" with some guy he referred to as "some prick". Just as we don't really know firsthand how that chica was dressed we don't really know how that monger handled it. I strongly suspect he was more than "mildly" upset and that the words exchanged were not "exactly" civil. Also while the day manager came to his room the next day, it was not about his trying to bring a provocatively dressed chica back to his room but how he dealt with it by getting upset, making a huge scene and probably disturbing or waking many of the other guests that were staying at that hotel with the huge ruckus he created. This lends credence to the Prez's claims that this policy was implemented largely as a result of increased incidents of "ugly american" mongers. Which brings me back to the issue of selective enforcement. I suspect that if you act with reasonable decorum (ie don't stumble in drunk and loud) and the chica is not dressed too egregiously over the line, you'll probably pass muster or at least be able to convice the manager to let it slide if you speak civilly with him.

Finally, re: the issue of the doorman stopping you. The policy specifically states its up to the manager on duty. The possibility that some doorman using this as a way to extort a bribe or payoff from you has been raised at CRT and it is certainly a valid concern. All I can say is, if you think your chica is not dressed that bad and the doorman either tries to elicit a bribe from you or unfairly refuses her entry outright, to either ask to speak to the manager directly or at least get the doorman's name and time (maybe even snap a digital photo of the way the chica was dressed if you can) and report it the next day.

From what I understand many chicas at the BM are ALREADY adjusting to this by carrying light jackets or sweaters with them which they can throw over their shoulder if they get a date that wants to take them back to the Prez. What is next? Street guys selling cheap plastic jackets outside the Prez doors, the way they sell cheap umbrellas when it rains. If they can adjust so easily to the change why can't we? Perhaps rather than asking the Prez to rescind their new policy, or at least in addition to asking them to rescind it, we should ask at least if they're going to do this that they provide a cloakroom/closet near the door or space behind the front desk where we can leave a jacket or shirt before we head out to the BM so we have something right there if we wind up bringing someone back that they find unacceptable. Or maybe they could have loaner coverings the same way they have spare jackets and ties at restaurants that require those. You see, there is room for compromise here.

Circle
04-02-06, 02:04
Chase,

I think the pension otoya is at the corner of Ave. 5 and Calle 1, but I will look it up later to be sure. I just bought the Lonely Planet, "Central America" book at Borders. So I'm guessing it was published in the last year or two (some things are already outdated).

As a side note, I went by the BM around 3pm yesterday, and I can say the estrogen vs. testosterone ratio was much better than at night. There were some very nice girls. One even had kind of a latin Cameron Diaz look, very sweet and innocent (which she definately was not).

However i´ve heard the locals pay like $10 in certain places. I guess there are massages parlors or something cheaper than even oasis? are those places all bad quality or what? I don´t really care, cause if it is worse quality than europa (maybe I went on a bad night? ) then I don´t want to waste my time.

At the moment I am in playa jaco, got here last night. So I will post my report for that, I suppose, in the "other areas" section. Anybody know why we can´t organize threads under the individual cities. It seems like it would be much easier to find essential info if every single post for a city wasn´t just lumped together? i´m sure there´s a reason for that, though. So if anybody is around and wants to have a beer, I got first round. I´ll stay in jaco until probably Monday. Spend Monday night in san jose, then go to peurto viejo for a couple days. So send me a pm.

Johnny Sax
04-03-06, 11:33
Johnny,
Round 2, re: the Presidente dress code. I don't think you can really speak for the position of "most of the guys" at CRT. It seems to me there was plenty of irritation about this new policy there as well, its just that very few people there OR here have made quite as big a deal about it as you. I realize you have stayed there, but have you even had the new policy directed at you and one of your guests yet or are you just anticpating problems?

I have not stayed there since this policy, and am not sure I will. I object to it, in PRINCIPLE, and as I stated somewhere, I don't think I even want to RISK going back to my room, in a good mood and ready to rock and roll, only to be told that I cannot enter with my chosen guest. It would, to be quite frank, p**s me off, and very likely ruin my night. I will wait and see how many other guys post here or at CRT about problems... If they don't plan to enforce it, then why did they create it and defend it? You and others seem to think maybe they are just planning to use it on only the "worst" offenders. I say that where a policy like this exists, it WILL be used, and will likely be used without good reason. That's just the nature of rules: where they are created, they are enforced, and too often, unfairly.



As you yourself acknowledged, it is the hotel's right to enforce a dress code of their choosing. Just because many CRT'ers, myself included, are willing to grudgingly go along or put up with the inconvenience, doesn't mean we're happy about it or think it is a well thought out plan. What it means is that we don't think there is probably all that much we can do about it at least in the short term. Did it occur to you that maybe this code was enacted as a result of complaints by non-mongers and that voicing one's complaints inappropriately (I realize you are not advocating that) as some others have, only supports the case of the non-mongers rather than our own. Besides, despite the fact this might make the Prez slightly less desirable as a place to stay for mongering, its other advantages still put it way ahead many of the alternatives, as yourself have found.

I think with me it's simply a matter of principle. I think it's a bull---t policy and a bull---t way to treat CRT members. Period.

I am very easy going and never cause a ruckus... UNLESS provoked. Now, we don't know what happened to cause all this. But I did read one account of a guy being told his girl could not enter. And all I can say is I totally feel the same way he did - that if there was no policy - at that point - and all of the sudden I was told I could not bring my girl to my room, I would be very angry, and yes, I'd probably have a few not so nice words for whoever told me that. Now that there IS a policy, if it happened to me, I would probably just say, "Okay, well, do you have an overcoat she could wear?" or something like that. But if they refused to help out or did not allow me to enter with her, I would say, "Okay, well you've just received the last of my business, here and at your restaurant." And that would be it until such time as they changed the policy.



Re: selective enforcement. You see that as unfair. Perhaps you are right but I am not so sure.
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Regarding it being at the discretion of the manager on duty, you were the one to interpret it "they are leaving it open to hassle anyone they want, at any time" not them. They have listed specific categories of clothing that are subject to interpretation. If the guest or visitor is not wearing any of those items they aren't subject to any arbitrary inspection. So they can't really just hassle anyone they want.Granted most BM chicas will probably have some article of clothing on that will make them subject to that discretion, which is precisely why it is good that they at least allow room for discretion rather than automatically reject them outright. I would interpret that to mean that a little skin they might let go and that they really mean to target the most egregious violations. The post you reprinted claimedthe chica was dressed like every other chica in town, but I didn't see what she was wearing. All I'm saying is let's wait to see exactly how strictly they apply this discretion before we fly off the handle.

Well, it seems to me that they are playing a game here that leaves too much room for interpretation. I'd rather them say outright whatever it is they are objecting to. How short can a skirt be? How much cleavage can be shown? Sure, maybe they'll soften and only use this policy to keep out the girls who are dressed TOO "sluttily". But then again, they ARE working girls. What do they expect? "Okay, you can bring back your working girl, but she has to be dressed like an office girl." ... Huh? what is the point here?


... I suspect that if you act with reasonable decorum (ie don't stumble in drunk and loud) and the chica is not dressed too egregiously over the line, you'll probably pass muster or at least be able to convice the manager to let it slide if you speak civilly with him.

I HOPE you are right about that, and if you are, then all will be mostly well. But I am skeptical... It just seems to me the hotel doesn't quite know what they want or what they are doing. They are kinda sorta pandering to mongers, but at the same time trying to cater to couples and families. Can they have it both ways? How many people really are offended if you bring back a sexily dressed girl at 10pm-2am? I could see it maybe if this policy were enforced during daylight hours before the kids are in bed. But at nightclub hours, how many guests there really care if you quietly walk in with a girl with some cleavage showing, in mini-skirt and high heels? Really,what is the problem? Are they renting to mongers or not?



Finally, re: the issue of the doorman stopping you. The policy specifically states its up to the manager on duty. The possibility that some doorman using this as a way to extort a bribe or payoff from you has been raised at CRT and it is certainly a valid concern. All I can say is, if you think your chica is not dressed that bad and the doorman either tries to elicit a bribe from you or unfairly refuses her entry outright, to either ask to speak to the manager directly or at least get the doorman's name and time (maybe even snap a digital photo of the way the chica was dressed if you can) and report it the next day.

From what I understand many chicas at the BM are ALREADY adjusting to this by carrying light jackets or sweaters with them which they can throw over their shoulder if they get a date that wants to take them back to the Prez. What is next? Street guys selling cheap plastic jackets outside the Prez doors, the way they sell cheap umbrellas when it rains. If they can adjust so easily to the change why can't we? Perhaps rather than asking the Prez to rescind their new policy, or at least in addition to asking them to rescind it, we should ask at least if they're going to do this that they provide a cloakroom/closet near the door or space behind the front desk where we can leave a jacket or shirt before we head out to the BM so we have something right there if we wind up bringing someone back that they find unacceptable. Or maybe they could have loaner coverings the same way they have spare jackets and ties at restaurants that require those. You see, there is room for compromise here.

I totally agree that any abuse by the doorman should be reported, and any problems should be politely addressed with the manager the next day. Digital photos would help, if you have them. Post them here or at CRT, if you get turned down for bringing a girl in.

I think the one very easy solution to this problem would be for the Prez to have a little coat closet there by the front door, and anyone the doorman feels is dressed inappropriately should be issued a trenchcoat. They could even charge a couple mil for the rental, or a 5 mil DEPOSIT once the girl is done and brings it back, the deposit is returned. The doorman could get a tip; whatever. But the idea of them issuing a long coat to wear is an excellent one and would be a way that everyone could win, here. Then no one would be denied entry, no guests would be offended, and all would be right with the world once again. Really, it's so simple. Why wouldn't they just do this? Maybe they will.

As I said before, I doubt I will stay there again, at least not until I hear how much they enforce this policy. I did not care much for the Morazan and the Gran Via, and the Sportsman's Lodge is too expensive... I might try the Castillo or whatever it is... Any other suggestions? I don't wish to spend more than $55+tax and I like something relatively quiet and safe.

Kid Cisco
04-03-06, 17:23
I been going to the Prez for a few years now, I stayed there 5 times last year, and I think they needed to clean up the some with the many church groups that stay there and the couples (older male and females) the last thing they need to see in the morning is some 50 ish and 60ish year old broken down ***** monger holding hands with a 20 year old girl with her ass cheeks hanging from her short shorts.

Around dinner time you have almost a waiting line of mongers waiting to sign in girls making a bee line up to the rooms (this is the same time most day tours are coming and returning back as well).

I will keep on staying there and I really hope LESS AND LESS mongers with bad attiudes will go somewhere else.

I look at it this way UNTIL I or anyone else wins the lotto (and buy their own hotel) we must go along with the rules of the hotel.

Kid Cisco

Rebel Man
04-03-06, 17:40
I think they need to just come out and say they dont need mongers there anymore. Don't beat around the bush, (thats exactly what they are doing) so we will know one way or the other. Allow girls back to the rooms are not allow them. This is all bulls**t. I think there afraid to tell us that because they know that they would lose business.

Prolijo
04-03-06, 23:49
Rebel Man, what you just posted makes no sense to me. If they didn't need or want our business, it would a far simpler and profitable policy to just start charging a guest fee to discourage it or even refuse to allow unregistered quests altogether. As it still stands they charge no guest fee AT ALL unlike even the HDR, the quintessential monger hotel.


How many people really are offended if you bring back a sexily dressed girl at 10pm-2am? I could see it maybe if this policy were enforced during daylight hours before the kids are in bed. But at nightclub hours, how many guests there really care if you quietly walk in with a girl with some cleavage showing, in mini-skirt and high heels? Really,what is the problem? Are they renting to mongers or not?

I totally agree that any abuse by the doorman should be reported, and any problems should be politely addressed with the manager the next day. Digital photos would help, if you have them. Post them here or at CRT, if you get turned down for bringing a girl in. [good idea, as we'd then have a better idea what can and can't fly]

I think the one very easy solution to this problem would be for the Prez to have a little coat closet there by the front door, and anyone the doorman feels is dressed inappropriately should be issued a trenchcoat. They could even charge a couple mil for the rental, or a 5 mil DEPOSIT once the girl is done and brings it back, the deposit is returned. The doorman could get a tip; whatever. But the idea of them issuing a long coat to wear is an excellent one and would be a way that everyone could win, here. Then no one would be denied entry, no guests would be offended, and all would be right with the world once again. Really, it's so simple. Why wouldn't they just do this? Maybe they will.Now at least we're discussing some possible reasonable compromises rather than just railing about "principles" or threatening to throw the baby out with the bath water. However, I'm still not quite sure you "get it". Kid Cisco does. Someone SHOULD suggest that they at least restrict enforcement of this policy to normal eco-tourist waking hours. However, if this were just a problem of some older guys quietly sneaking scantily clad young girls in long after the ecotourists had gone to bed, I'm sure the mgmt of the Prez would never have felt they had to institute this policy to preserve their other business (and risk losing ours) in the first place.

Also if something like the mere possibility that you might have to go up to your room to get a long sleeved shirt to loan to your girl to get her in would totally ruin your evening, then maybe you're not quite as easy going as you think you are. I really think that for the most part the guys that will object to this the most will be the guys who walk around the gulch like its their personal playground and think that the Prez's business should revolve around them to the exclusion of other guests. Those are probably the same guys who walk in drunk and obnoxious, (you know the ugly gringo types we have all seen ourselves). The Prez probably feel if they lose those guys and keep most of the more reasonable and polite guys, their policy will have been a real success and incidents that might offend other guests will have been drastically reduced.

Johnny Sax
04-04-06, 01:24
However, I'm still not quite sure you "get it". Kid Cisco does. ...
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Also if something like the mere possibility that you might have to go up to your room to get a long sleeved shirt to loan to your girl to get her in would totally ruin your evening, then maybe you're not quite as easy going as you think you are. I really think that for the most part the guys that will object to this the most will be the guys who walk around the gulch like its their personal playground and think that the Prez's business should revolve around them to the exclusion of other guests.

I respectfully disagree with you. I never said anything about being offered the opportunity to go up to my room for a long sleeve shirt. IF they were to offer me that option, I would probably accept it and not be too upset. So you are wrong about me not being mellow enough for that. What I said was that if they did NOT offer me ANY option and I had to take my girl somewhere else , instead of being comfortable in my own paid for room, I'd be very pissed and would not stay there again, and would let them know that.

I don't think this policy just pisses off "ugly American" mongers who feel other guests don't matter. I think it bothers anyone like myself who feels we are doing nothing wrong and should not be "judged" in terms of whether or not our chosen girl is "acceptable". I think it pisses guys off who feel the hotel is, on the one hand, participating in a discount program for mongers and on the other hand saying "but you may not be able to bring your guest up to your room". And I think it pisses off people who just generally don't like discrimination based on some individual's sense of what is or is not "inappropriate". I'd rather they make a truly measurable and solid dress code and then STICK TO IT, as opposed to leaving it open for some manager's or doorman's sense of what is appropriate.

I don't like the idea that a guy in San Jose', where prostitution is legal, staying at a hotel that allows guests, is going to possibly face the hassle of being told he can't bring his (credentialed!) girl back to his room, just because she has some cleavage showing or a mini-skirt on. I find the notion ridiculous. TV and billboards show as much or more; certainly movies do; and it is difficult to believe that other guests care that much. I think this new policy is an over-reaction to just one or two incidents, and instead of just chalking it up to being "part of the business", they have gone overboard and created a policy that runs counter to a large segment of their clientele, a clientele who I think probably sustains them or at least helps them quite a bit in the off season.

I still think the perfect solution is to offer a long coat at the front door, and I applaud you for that suggestion, which I posted at the CRT board.

Meanwhile, as I stated, I will wait and see how they treat fellow mongers over the next few months. That will more than likely make up my mind for me. I don't want to risk staying there and getting turned away at this point. Yes, being told I can't bring my girl in to my room would [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, if it happened, and no, I won't risk it. I'd rather stay somewhere where I KNOW there will be no problem. If over the next few months I hear of only a couple minor incidents of girls being rejected, then I will reconsider staying there.

Lorenzo
04-04-06, 05:06
To change the subject: Lorenzo is finally in Costa Rica. Not that I expect anyone to remember, but late last year I sought the advice of Costa Rica mongers about trip planning. I was then planning to visit all 7 Central American countries early in 2006 on a trip lasting about a month, and I asked experienced Central American what they thought about traveling through CA by bus. I got a lot of very helpful responses, for which I publicly thanked everyone, but the response was nearly unanimous: don't do it; fly if you can. So that is exactly what I did. I could not have gotten better advice. I contacted a consolidator that specializes in Latin America, Exito, told them where and when I wanted to go, and they put together a packet of tickets covering my entire itinerary for just over $1000 (exclusive of international airfare). I got an open jaw ticket from Delta, flying into Belize City on March 10 and flying out of Panama City April 9. Exito put together the rest. My route has been and will be, Belize City-Guatemala City-Flores-Guatemala City-San Salvador-San Pedro Sula-Tegucigalpa-Managua-San Jose-Panama City. Whew! Man, am I glad I didn't take the bus. The trip has been wearying and I have not had nearly enough time to do and see all I would have liked. My idea was not to have a trip centered solely on mongering, but I hoped to monger in every country if I could and to post reports. For those who are interested, I have posted reports on Belize City, Guatemala City, San Salvador, San Pedro Sula, Tegucigalpa, and Managua. Now it's San Jose's turn. However, now that I am smack in the middle of the Mecca of Central American mongering, I suddenly feel humbled (and anyone who knows me will tell you that this is quite unusual). With all the abundance of material on the Costa Rica site, what can I possibly add that is new? Probably nothing, so if you are looking for something breathtakingly new, better move on to the next post. But if you don't mind reading one monger's impressions, read on. I think the main thing I might provide is encouragement for those who are thinking about mongering their way through Central America: it can be done.

I also asked for ideas about where to stay. From reading this forum, I had narrowed it down to the Del Rey and the Sportsmen's Lodge, and asked for advice. Again the advice was near unanimous: Sportsmen's over Del Rey. So I am now at the Sportsmen's Lodge, having checked in 2 days ago when I arrived from Managua. I'm not sorry I stayed here, butit isn't quite what I expected. It is first of all very obviously a mongering hotel. The guests are almost exclusively male. I would have dropped the 'exclusively' except that today I saw the first female guest, who was half of a couple in their 60's or older. Other than that, the guests are all American males between 40 and 70 (myself included). It is not a young monger's hotel; it's not that younger guys couldn't stay here, it just appears that they don't. It appears that a lot of these guys travel here in groups, because a lot of them seem to know each other. Yesterday I heard a bunch of guys from Atlanta getting there stories straight so they would all tell their wives the same thing. The main virtue of the Sportsmen's is that it is totally, unequivocally girl friendly. In fact, it seems to exist almost solely for that purpose. There is a bar/restaurant that has a small number of chicas hanging around, and word is that they must be pre-approved by the management before they can sit around the bar anjd lounge. The downside of Sportsmen's is that it is very noisy until midnight, when it suddenly quiets down. This is because a lot of the mongers get drunk and then get very loud. There is a lot of raucous talking, shouting, and guffawing from the bar that can be heard throughout the house. For this reason I don't think I would stay here again, but that's just me. I'm a loner and prefer quiet, but WTF, it's unabashedly girl friendly, and that's what's important.

When I arrived in San Jose I was totally spent from the trip and didn't know how much energy I would have left for mongering. I had had 9 encounters with 7 girls (two of them were repeat meetings, obviously), in addition to doing the usual tourist things like going to Ambergris Caye, Tikal, Antigua, and Leon. The day I checked in I met a young Nica morena named Carolina who had a beautiful face and kind of skinny body, just as she was leaving Sportsmen's. But there was something about her I liked that caused my exhaustion to lift. I told her that I was too tired to fuck but asked if she would provide a BBBJ. Besides, I hadn't taken a performance pill. She agreed and we went to my room. It was a total GFE: DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and I ended up briefly entering her anyway, but l let her finish me off by hand. Cost: US$40. I liked her so much that I invited her back the next day. She arrived at my room promptly at 2pm. I took a 25mg Cialis, having delayed taking it until I was sure she would show up. We then went to lunch while I waited for the pill to take effect, then went back to the room for another GFE. Two orgasms, $60. We had agreed on $50, but I liked her so much I gave her a tip. She let me take some nude pics, but I won't be able to post them until I get back to the states and upload them into my computer.

Today I made the obligatory visit to the Blue Marlin. It was much smaller than I expected, and even at 3pm it was jammed with chicas. The place turned me off, so I wandered through the casino and picked up a 37 year old Dominican chica named Juanita. We agreed on $50 for one hour and went back to Sportsmen's. Another GFE: DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS. She was even considerate enough to wash her pussy before we started. Now 37 might seem old to a lot of younger mongers, but it's just perfect for me; I'm a dirty old man who likes them with experience, and I wasn't disappointed. She was an excellent slow lover and stayed longer that the hour we had agreed on. I gave her $60, which included a $10 tip. I liked her so much that I may call her for a repeat session day after tomorrow. Tomorrow I'm going to the volcanoes and a nature park so there will probably be no mongering. I'm still undecided as to whether to go to clubs like Zona Blue and Kamur. I have cell phone numbers for both Carolina and Juanita, so if anyone is interested please PM me. And thanks again to all the guys whose sage advice made this trip in its present form possible.

Lorenzo

Prolijo
04-04-06, 06:23
To change the subjectTHANK YOU!!!

Remember me? Its sounds like you're having a great time and don't really need any advice. I know you feel like you don't have anything new to add to the info already here, but I'd really like to hear your thoughts on the comparatives of CR mongering vs. what you found in the other CA countries you've visited so far.

Also, while I understand you say you're a loner, I really recommend you introduce yourself to the group of guys at the SL. They're probably CRT'ers and if so are always open and friendly to new guys. Just say "Are you guys with CRT?" or you could also try "My friend Prolijo told me to say hello" although I'm not sure if that might just cause them to start throwing beer at you (just kidding). These guys can give you all the best on-the-spot intel and can serve as good wingmen if you want to go out and check out some of the tico nightspots outside the gulch such as Kamur, Pantera Rosa, D'Pelufos, etc. I'm often a loner too, but sometimes I enjoy the company of my fellow "hobbyist" and, IMHO, nightclubs are usually more fun when done with 1-2 others (as long as there aren't a zillion of you fighting over the one decent looking girl there)

Your friend,
Prolijo (aka Chase Star)

Kid Cisco
04-04-06, 16:21
I went on a tour/trip like that once in South American (Brazil/Colombia/Argentina/and back to Brazil) and it almost KILLED me LOL I am gathering INTEL on Panama so if you can let me about hotels etc. On Panama that would be nice.

I have a friend that I just got off the phone to he has his cellphone with him it cost him it runs him $1. 49 a min for calls he is also staying at the Prez I gave him INTEl and INFO about the new dress call for the girls before he left I told him to bring and take a female weather with him so he wouldn't have any problems with the girls coming in so far so good he haven't had any problems (he NEVER had to EVEN use the sweather) he is also a low key guy and he travels like me solo.

I love the Prez and I must have stayed there over 25 times so far over the years I stayed there 5 times last year, the staff and everyone has always been cool with me and treated me with respect I do UNDERSTAND why they are making some of the girls clean up their acts the Prez isn't like the Del Ray that mostly catering to the American "monge"r, they have many tour groups staying there from all around the world that book there and they don't count on making $$ from just the gringo monger.

I know lots of other people beside mongers that like to stay at the Prez and they wouldn't want to see some of the stuff I have seen the girls in when they are trying to eat breakfast in the morning (like having a dresses on so short that everytime the girl bend over you can see count her hairs hanging out of her her thongs (if she even have on some) LOL.

I really think this is a good thing I DON'T have any problem with the Prez rules to tell you the truth I think it would work out for guys like me and Chase Star that understand why and go alone with it without trying to drum up ways to hurt a hotel that haven't done anything BUT be good to us and other mongers over the years.

Kid Cisco

Circle
04-04-06, 20:32
so for my last night before heading to cuba, I decided to go by New Fantasy. I didn't like the quality of girls, even if I can save a few bucks. So I thought I would go by the BM before calling my gfe from last week, just to see what the action was like.

It was a slow night, and I was just going to finish my beer and call the girl who gave me such a great time last week. I'm sitting there and this girl walks up and asks if she can sit with me. I say "sure. " I'd say this girl was a "7. 5" or so. She had great tits (which were in fact fake, but I couldn't even tell by feeling them, only by the small mark under her breast.) she had this look that said "fuck the shit out of me" and her ass was pretty nice too. However her belly wasn't as flat as I prefer. No wrinkles, just a little pouch.

The weird thing was how quickly she wanted to leave. She said her sister was waiting for her somewhere else, because she didn't like the BM. So she took me outside and her sister was walking down the sidewalk. The first girl then tried to hook me up with her sister, but this girl looked young, so I decided to ditch both of them. However her sister left for the casino so I went back into the BM with the first one. She starts telling me she wants to party in the clubs and she has to take care of her sister, so would that be a problem. I said yes, that is a problem, and if you want to go with your sister, then just go now. She says her sister is 18, so its no problem, and she will do whatever I like.

At this point I'm creeped out and excusing myself to go home. She says she wants to go with me and we don't have to take the sister, so we agree on $60 with BBBJ. Not a bad deal I figure, considering this girl is pretty damn hot. So we leave, she performs as she said, but she is obviously in a hurry to get out of there. Definately not gfe. I would have prefered my girl from last week. Oh well, live and learn.

So I'm using my own laptop now, and I'm going to try and upload some photos. I hope it works. The first two are from the girl I had at oasis. Not bad quality for the price. The last one is from jaco beach (I know, wrong section, but I just want to get this done at the same time), just in case you don't already know how "beautiful" (ha, ha) the beach there is. There's definately better beaches to hang out on.

My final thought on san jose is that, there are so many options. I haven't began to uncover them all. I'm glad I'll be returning here to catch my return flight to the US. There are lots of hot girls, and I think if you spend time on the hunt here, you will be pleasantly rewarded. Just don't pay the first hot girl you see $100 for an hour, por favor.

Lorenzo
04-04-06, 20:57
Remember me? Its sounds like you're having a great time and don't really need any advice. I know you feel like you don't have anything new to add to the info already here, but I'd really like to hear your thoughts on the comparatives of CR mongering vs. what you found in the other CA countries you've visited so far.

Your friend,
Prolijo (aka Chase Star)
Sure I remember you! You're one of the guys who gave me the most helpful advice, for which I am still grateful. Actually, you second-guessed me. I do plan to post something on comparative CA mongering after I have concluded my trip and returned to the states. I may act on your suggestion that I introduce myself to the guys here. I'll keep you posted.

Lorenzo

Lorenzo
04-04-06, 21:03
I went on a tour/trip like that once in South American (Brazil/Colombia/Argentina/and back to Brazil) and it almost KILLED me LOL I am gathering INTEL on Panama so if you can let me about hotels etc. On Panama that would be nice.
I'm booked at the El Panama, which appears to be a 4-star hotel. I got a special 'Government' rate which I think is about $85 a night. They say you are required to present a government ID to get this rate. Problem is I retired 2 years ago, so I'm going to present them with an ID and hope they don't notice that it expired 2-1/2 years ago. If they make an issue of it, I may have to pay the regular rate, which is about $120 a night. Hope they don't read this forum! I'll let you know what the hotel is like.

Lorenzo

Prolijo
04-04-06, 23:46
I know lots of other people beside mongers that like to stay at the Prez and they wouldn't want to see some of the stuff I have seen the girls in when they are trying to eat breakfast in the morning (like having a dresses on so short that everytime the girl bend over you can see count her hairs hanging out of her her thongs (if she even have on some) LOL. You mean to say that you've actually seen a working girl at the Prez that doesn't shave her bush down to the stubble!!??

R Brandon
04-05-06, 00:35
That's the girl I am looking for Chase Star Kid Cisco.
Bring back the BUSH.rbc100

Prolijo
04-08-06, 01:59
Bring back the BUSH.rbc100GOD NO! Two terms are more than enough. :)

R Brandon
04-08-06, 03:51
NO NO NO, I did not mean the president.Just let ther be hair down there like it should be.rbc100

Kid Cisco
04-09-06, 23:48
I'm booked at the El Panama, which appears to be a 4-star hotel. I got a special 'Government' rate which I think is about $85 a night. They say you are required to present a government ID to get this rate. Problem is I retired 2 years ago, so I'm going to present them with an ID and hope they don't notice that it expired 2-1/2 years ago. If they make an issue of it, I may have to pay the regular rate, which is about $120 a night. Hope they don't read this forum! I'll let you know what the hotel is like.

LorenzoThanks,

Let me know how things go as far as girl friendly etc. at El Panama and how far is it from the red light area etc., just PM me.

Kid Cisco

Tiradentes
04-11-06, 05:06
Hi guys,

Since traveling to brazil is not a good idea right now with all the violence and the police raids, i am looking for an alternative. So, i thought about costa rica

I am sure I will be hammered by asking this, but I am going to anyway.

Can somebody please provide me with the following info (maybe this can become a 'sticky' for newbies)

1. Best hotel to stay at (just need the name)
2. Best p4p clubs to visit (no need for the girls names, or how it function, etc.)

Thanks alot.

Any help will be appreciated by thsis poor newbie.

Mule69
04-11-06, 22:28
[QUOTE=Tiradentes]Hi guys,

Since traveling to brazil is not a good idea right now with all the violence and the police raids, i am looking for an alternative. So, i thought about costa rica

I am sure I will be hammered by asking this, but I am going to anyway.

Can somebody please provide me with the following info (maybe this can become a 'sticky' for newbies)

1. Best hotel to stay at (just need the name)
2. Best p4p clubs to visit (no need for the girls names, or how it function, etc.)

Thanks alot.

Any help will be appreciated by thsis poor newbie 1.Hotel El Presidente 2. Del Rey for girls ..(these places are a block apart...mule

Tiradentes
04-12-06, 02:37
With this info, I can start the research on my coming san jose trip. I just needed a 'foothold'.

if you need short and consice information (without going ito pages and pages of details) about sao paolo, or rio , brazil, you can always ask me.

Tiradentes

ThunderPants
04-12-06, 16:06
With this info, I can start the research on my coming san jose trip. I just needed a 'foothold'.

if you need short and consice information (without going ito pages and pages of details) about sao paolo, or rio , brazil, you can always ask me.

TiradentesBest Hotel Sportsmen Lodge

OASIS andPantera Rose P$P

MrVee
04-13-06, 03:55
Just one more gesture to any mongers who might want to meet up next week - I'll be in C.R. next week, arriving Tuesday mid-afternoon and leaving Friday mid-afternoon. In-between, if anyone wants to meet up/share stories, have negotiating power (strength in numbers, play good-cop/bad-cop, etc.), send me a PM. Have met up with mongers the world over and have always enjoyed those meetings, and vice versa. (and NO ... I don't "swing both ways" in case you're worried! LOL)

be safe - and look for reports from me from C.R. mid- to late-next week!

mrvee

Lorenzo
04-14-06, 06:08
This will be my second and last report from Costa Rica on my ongoing series of reports on my mongering tour through Central America. Actually I'm now back in the US, but I need to finish my reports for Costa Rica and Panama, after which I plan to issue a comparative rating of all 7 CA countries. Unfortunately I lost some time from mongering in CR that I never got back, due to some wildlife excursions and then an unexpected attack of the stomach flu that laid me up for a day and a half. Consequently, I was never able to sample any of the 'houses' in San Jose and see how they compare to those in other countries. I had especially wanted to go to Zona Blue, but the gods of mongering didn't let it happen.

On my last full day in San Jose, I made another walk through the Blue Marlin, hoping I wouldn't be as turned off as I was the first time. I walked through about 1:00 PM, and even at that time there were over 30 women there. Many were quite young and a handful were attractive and doable, but no head turners. But this is understandable considering the time of day. I'm sure the 9s and 10s wait until prime time to come out. But what struck me about the Blue Marlin was the incredible number of skanks. Again, maybe it was the time of day. But I found it hard to believe that some of these women would have the nerve to offer themselves for sale. There was one woman who was at least 50 years old, and ugly. There were several other women who appeared to be middle aged, and they were the most aggressive. Several of them accosted me, saying they wanted me. How they stood a chance competing with the younger girls, I don't know. Somebody must be desperate enough to go with them, or they wouldn't come back. But I decided that this scene wasn't for me and went back to the Sportsmen's Lodge and took a brief nap.

By this time it was later in the afternoon and I was ready for action. There were several fine looking girls sitting at the Sportsmen's bar, and one of them caught my eye so we sat down to talk. Her name was Raquel, she was 26, and she was ready to bargain. We negotiated what sex acts we would perform and agreed on a price of US$60, then went back to my room. What a way to spend the afternoon! It was a first rate sexual experience. Raquel has a beautiful body, as attractive as her face, and she was great in bed. She was totally unhurried, and it was a true GFE. We did DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and CFS in the reverse cowgirl position, which has now become my favorite position. Like a true pro, she kept pumping me even after I came to make sure I got it all out. I would recommend Raquel most highly. Caution: there is another girl named Raquel who is nowhere near as attractive. The Raquel I was with has deep set eyes, brown hair, and is 26. I'll post a photo separately. A true gem. BTW, Raquel confirmed, when I asked her, that all the girls who hang around Sportsmen's are prescreened by management, which I was glad to hear. They don't want just anyone hanging around there. This explains the high percentage of attractive girls.

I think I need to elaborate a bit more on the Sportsmen's, because none of the previous posts I have read give an accurate sense of what staying there is like, including both the pros and cons. First, the pros. I don't think I realized before I stayed there that Sportsmen's is strictly a mongering hotel. I don't think anyone else stays there but mongers, or if they do they don't stay long. Early in my stay there I did see an elderly couple one night, but they weren't there the next night. In my previous report I stated that the clientele seemed to be mostly older mongers, but later I did see some younger mongers there. This hotel is totally centered around mongering; mongering is it's focus, it's raison d'etre. And toward this end they even supply the girls, although there is no pressure to go with the girls, and you are perfectly free not to and to go elsewhere. I am not exaggerating when I make the following statement: if you come to Costa Rica for the primary purpose of mongering, you can, if you want to, stay at the Sportsmen's and never leave during the entire stay. They have a restaurant, a bar, cable, and girls. You probably would want to get out after a few days, but you don't have to if you don't want to.

So what's the downside? Very simple: the noise level. I don't know if this is true of the rooms in the back, but I stayed in the Presidential Suite, in the very front, so I'm sure what I'm saying is true of all the rooms around the central atrium. The walls are like paper; you can hear every footstep, every cough, every conversation in the vicinity of the room. In fact, I was a little self-conscious when fucking because all three of my partners moaned during sex, and I let out a moan myself when I came. Since all of these encounters occurred during the day, I'm sure this could be heard outside, although I really didn't give a shit.

At night, Sportsmen's is especially noisy. There are a bunch of drunken, raucous mongers talking, whooping, and guffawing in the bar until nearly midnight, when management brings it to an abrupt halt. One night around 10pm I was working on the computer when I heard an unusual amount of noise coming from the bar. I went in to see what was going on. There were two chicas standing on the bar, in effect doing a strip tease. Guys were yelling at them to take it off, take it off, and stuffing bills into their panties. I didn't stick around long enough to see if they actually got naked. But the noise continued. So you'll have to decide for yourself if this high noise level is worth it. If I were to come to San Jose again, I would probably stay there, put up with the noise, and go out just to eat, maybe taking a chica with me.

Overall, Costa Rica is probably the best mongering spot in CA, with El Salvador a close second. ES has the advantage of being unspoiled and having very few gringo tourists, but this will probably change eventually. CR falls short of being a world class mongering spot like Rio or Bangkok, but it is a first class regional mongering site. Since I am one of the few mongers on this forum--maybe the only one--who has mongered in all 7 CA countries, I plan to put together a comparative rating of all 7 countries and post it on each country's threads.

Lorenzo

Johnny Sax
04-14-06, 08:46
This will be my second and last report from Costa Rica on my ongoing series of reports on my mongering tour through Central America. Actually I'm now back in the US, but I need to finish my reports for Costa Rica and Panama, after which I plan to issue a comparative rating of all 7 CA countries. Unfortunately I lost some time from mongering in CR that I never got back, due to some wildlife excursions and then an unexpected attack of the stomach flu that laid me up for a day and a half. Consequently, I was never able to sample any of the 'houses' in San Jose and see how they compare to those in other countries. I had especially wanted to go to Zona Blue, but the gods of mongering didn't let it happen.

On my last full day in San Jose, I made another walk through the Blue Marlin, hoping I wouldn't be as turned off as I was the first time. I walked through about 1:00 PM, and even at that time there were over 30 women there. Many were quite young and a handful were attractive and doable, but no head turners. But this is understandable considering the time of day. I'm sure the 9s and 10s wait until prime time to come out. But what struck me about the Blue Marlin was the incredible number of skanks. Again, maybe it was the time of day. But I found it hard to believe that some of these women would have the nerve to offer themselves for sale. There was one woman who was at least 50 years old, and ugly. There were several other women who appeared to be middle aged, and they were the most aggressive. Several of them accosted me, saying they wanted me. How they stood a chance competing with the younger girls, I don't know. Somebody must be desperate enough to go with them, or they wouldn't come back. But I decided that this scene wasn't for me and went back to the Sportsmen's Lodge and took a brief nap.

By this time it was later in the afternoon and I was ready for action. There were several fine looking girls sitting at the Sportsmen's bar, and one of them caught my eye so we sat down to talk. Her name was Raquel, she was 26, and she was ready to bargain. We negotiated what sex acts we would perform and agreed on a price of US$60, then went back to my room. What a way to spend the afternoon! It was a first rate sexual experience. Raquel has a beautiful body, as attractive as her face, and she was great in bed. She was totally unhurried, and it was a true GFE. We did DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and CFS in the reverse cowgirl position, which has now become my favorite position. Like a true pro, she kept pumping me even after I came to make sure I got it all out. I would recommend Raquel most highly. Caution: there is another girl named Raquel who is nowhere near as attractive. The Raquel I was with has deep set eyes, brown hair, and is 26. I'll post a photo separately. A true gem. BTW, Raquel confirmed, when I asked her, that all the girls who hang around Sportsmen's are prescreened by management, which I was glad to hear. They don't want just anyone hanging around there. This explains the high percentage of attractive girls.

I think I need to elaborate a bit more on the Sportsmen's, because none of the previous posts I have read give an accurate sense of what staying there is like, including both the pros and cons. First, the pros. I don't think I realized before I stayed there that Sportsmen's is strictly a mongering hotel. I don't think anyone else stays there but mongers, or if they do they don't stay long. Early in my stay there I did see an elderly couple one night, but they weren't there the next night. In my previous report I stated that the clientele seemed to be mostly older mongers, but later I did see some younger mongers there. This hotel is totally centered around mongering; mongering is it's focus, it's raison d'etre. And toward this end they even supply the girls, although there is no pressure to go with the girls, and you are perfectly free not to and to go elsewhere. I am not exaggerating when I make the following statement: if you come to Costa Rica for the primary purpose of mongering, you can, if you want to, stay at the Sportsmen's and never leave during the entire stay. They have a restaurant, a bar, cable, and girls. You probably would want to get out after a few days, but you don't have to if you don't want to.

So what's the downside? Very simple: the noise level. I don't know if this is true of the rooms in the back, but I stayed in the Presidential Suite, in the very front, so I'm sure what I'm saying is true of all the rooms around the central atrium. The walls are like paper; you can hear every footstep, every cough, every conversation in the vicinity of the room. In fact, I was a little self-conscious when fucking because all three of my partners moaned during sex, and I let out a moan myself when I came. Since all of these encounters occurred during the day, I'm sure this could be heard outside, although I really didn't give a shit.

At night, Sportsmen's is especially noisy. There are a bunch of drunken, raucous mongers talking, whooping, and guffawing in the bar until nearly midnight, when management brings it to an abrupt halt. One night around 10pm I was working on the computer when I heard an unusual amount of noise coming from the bar. I went in to see what was going on. There were two chicas standing on the bar, in effect doing a strip tease. Guys were yelling at them to take it off, take it off, and stuffing bills into their panties. I didn't stick around long enough to see if they actually got naked. But the noise continued. So you'll have to decide for yourself if this high noise level is worth it. If I were to come to San Jose again, I would probably stay there, put up with the noise, and go out just to eat, maybe taking a chica with me.

Overall, Costa Rica is probably the best mongering spot in CA, with El Salvador a close second. ES has the advantage of being unspoiled and having very few gringo tourists, but this will probably change eventually. CR falls short of being a world class mongering spot like Rio or Bangkok, but it is a first class regional mongering site. Since I am one of the few mongers on this forum--maybe the only one--who has mongered in all 7 CA countries, I plan to put together a comparative rating of all 7 countries and post it on each country's threads.

Lorenzo


Thanks for the report, this is very helpful.

I have been thinking of staying at the SL now that the Prez is turning away chicas due to some half-baked dress code. But I will now look elsewhere if it's that noisy. Can one go hang out at the SL without staying there? That might be more my style. When I call it a night, I want to be able to sleep, not hear drunks at a bar, etc.

As to the Del Rey, I can see how it might be full of skanks at 1pm, although the few times I've gone in there in the afternoon, I've always found at least a few girls who would have been worthy of a $50 afternoon delight. But I hope you realize that at night it's another story. If you can't find at least half a dozen you would want to take to your room, after 9pm, or 10pm, then you must be WAY too picky. I can never walk in there in the evening without seeing at least a dozen or so I'd love to try out, and if I were rich, all I can say is, my dick would be sore after a couple days... But to each his own, and maybe Ticas and Nicas just aren't your style, overall. Glad you found a suitable one at the SL though. Are you going to Panama? I'll be curious to see how you find Panama compares with Costa Rica. I did not make it to Panama City, only David, so I can't really say. But I thought David was sorely lacking both in mongering destinations and in good looking women.

Lorenzo
04-14-06, 17:21
Can one go hang out at the SL without staying there? That might be more my style.
I don't see why not, as long as you spend some money on food or booze. There's an armed security guard at the front entrance, but he'll probably let any gringo in.

I did pick up someone at the Del Rey a few days earlier who was very good. I didn't mean to imply that it isn't a good place to find women. I was just surprised at the high percentage of skanks. But you can always pass on the skanks and go straight to the babes. I was just puzzled as to who would go with them and how they survived.

I did get to Panama City, and I posted a report. However, as my report indicates, I didn't do it justice. If I had to do this trip over, I would do it in reverse, i.e., start in Panama and work my way north, ending in Belize. That way I would have more energy for Panama and Costa Rica.

Lorenzo

Prolijo
04-15-06, 00:10
Great report, Lorenzo! Though I can't speak on how CR compares to other CA countries (except for Guatemala), I would have to agree with you on most of the rest of your commentary. I agree that CR may not be a world class mongering destination on the level of BKK or Rio, but IS a first class regional spot. The KEY though is that it is in a region that is much more easily accessible to the North American monger than those other places. Allow me to add a few other observations in relation to some of the other points you just made.

First, regarding the SL. The noise factor is one that has been commonly mentioned. I've never stayed there myself but I have visited there and can definitely see what everybody is talking about. The problem is not all that unique to the SL, though it might be a little worse there than it is at some of the other offenders. Besides the raucousness at the bar or the possibly "paper thin" walls, I think the problem is really mostly due to the predominance of hard surfaces throughout the building. Frankly, I think the Prez has a very similar problem for exactly the same reason. The only real difference is that the News Cafe is shut off from the rest of the building and is not really a major noise producer anyway. But you still get the noise from drunken mongers and moaning chicas everywhere else in the building. Some of the other hotels have carpeted rooms and common areas which keeps the noise down much more but also makes for a more rundown, dirty and threadbare appearance over time as carpeting is harder to keep clean and maintain. This may be a deal stopper for a lot of guys, but I think its no big deal and a fairly simple solution to just bring a pair of earplugs if you're a light sleeper and expect this might be a problem.

Next (enough about hotels), what about the chicas at the BM? Again, I can readily see what Lorenzo is talking about. A big part of the reason for the paucity of talent was certainly the time of day but I think the place is also vastly over-rated even later in the evening (more on that in a moment). What it does have going for it is volume. Quality is another question. Lorenzo's DAY-time scouting report of over 30 women, some attractive but no real headturners and quite a few skanks jibes with my own DAYtime experiences there (except perhaps that it was probably busier than usual for that time of day).

As Lorenzo realized the prime talent comes out at prime time. The corrolary is that the skanks come out when the competition is less. The answer to the question of who goes with these chicas is at the same time quite simple and also an age-old mystery. First of all, few guys do go for them BUT it only takes ONE desperate fool per week for those skanks to hit their target. But how do they even get that one? There's the mystery. There's someone for everyone and there's no accounting for taste. Some guys like gordas. Some guys like skanks. Some guys like to REALLY bargain shop. Some guys are just plain blind. Another explanation is that aggressiveness that Lorenzo alluded to. Because they're so fugly, they HAVE to be aggressive and because they're so aggressive it sometimes pays off.

Despite all that, I still think it is sometimes worthwhile to do a little early fishing. Along with fewer chicas, you also have fewer mongers and many of the mongers you do have there during the day are just chilling out. So there's also less competition from fellow mongers and if there is a fairly decent looking chica that pops in you can just swoop in on her (something that is not always so easy to do later at night). Another thing is that there is a lot to be said for going with just decent looking 7's & 8's as opposed to waiting until later at night for the 9's & 10's as they often provide much better service. And some additional factors is that they may be less rushed, less drunk and/or less in a hurry to get back to the BM for another score during the day when there isn't so much going on back there than they'd be once the sun goes down.

Which brings me to my statement about the place being over-rated at night as well. I know this will get me some flak from other members, but I think its true. Johnnysax said:
If you can't find at least half a dozen you would want to take to your room, after 9pm, or 10pm, then you must be WAY too picky. I can never walk in there in the evening without seeing at least a dozen or so I'd love to try out, and if I were rich, all I can say is, my dick would be sore after a couple days.This may well be completely true. The question though should really be what you'll have to pay for those 9's & 10's and what sort of service you'll get from them in most cases. Now I'm not talking about comparing them to their equivalent in the US. Of course you won't even get a 7 in the US for $100/hour but that's not a fair or even relevant comparison. You've spent all this money to fly down there and to stay and you EXPECT to get more. The comparison you should be making is to what you could get for your money elsewhere in SJ or even elsewhere in the world for a similar investment of money and time.

By and large the BEST looking talent at the BM (that top half dozen or so tha JS referred to) are very hard if not impossible to bargain down much below their $100 (or recently sometimes even higher) initial asking price. In other words, you WOULD have to be rich to get a sore dick with them. And the reason is very simple. They don't have to discount their rates because they can wait it out and will soon find some other sucker who is more than happy to pay that top dollar. Even for me it might be worth paying that much IF I KNEW she was REALLY as good as she looks. However, often it is those chicas who don't deliver up what their looks or demeanor at the bar promises: a) because they're simply so hot they feel they don't have to and b) because they know the sooner they finish up with you they can get back to the bar and find some other guy to pay them another $100 within minutes of getting back there. For some guys that doesn't matter. Just being with a 10 is worth the extra dough even if she doesn't provide GFE. I realize these generalizations are not true of all the hottest chicas but, unless you've been with that chica before or one of your friends have and therefore you KNOW what you're getting, its true with a large enough percentage that it isn't generally worth taking the chance.

The chicas that I don't understand are the 2nd tier looking chicas (the 7's and 8's) who hold to the $100 price all night hour after hour. I guess they'd rather go once per night for an hour at $100 than 2-3 times or more during the course of an evening for $60 per throw. Maybe its simple pride or maybe they're making so much more (sitting around having guys buy them drinks all night and then making that $100 for an hour's work) than they would working hard all day in some shop that the $100 is all they need or want.

Fortunately for us, not all of these 7's and 8's are so stuck on the $100 mark and the deeper in the barrel you fish or the later in the evening you wait the more flexibility in pricing you are likely to find them. The trick is to find the right balance. Do you hold out on the hot chica you have your eye on until later in the evening when she'll be more flexible hoping no one else will go for her $100 price either or do you risk she'll find her mark for the evening and it won't be you? Generally, I've found that can be a very dangerous game not worth playing since you'll probably find the selection not quite as good at 2AM. Do you go with the 6 who readily dropped her rate to $50/hr and will probably go GFE all over your ass for that and/or stay well beyond the hour or do you go with an 8 that you had to work down to $80/hr and may or may not be so wild in bed? It should also be pointed that the relationships between what you pay, what she looks like and how good she is back at your room do not always correlate. I've had $50 6's who were rip-off artists. I've had 8's that were total GFE's worth well more than what I paid. I've had 7's that I had to work to get down to $70 and later regretted not just walking away. You can negotiate and interview but you never really know what you're getting. That's why I like to repeat with chicas I've been with before and KNOW are good or at least go with chicas that were recommended by guys I trust. My last observation is that in my experience it is usually better to negotiate the services than to overly negotiate the price. I'd rather pay $80 or $100 for a couple of hours than work a girl down to $50 for an hour. She may agree to $50 but she'll be thinking of getting back to the bar to make the rest of her nightly target. But for $100, its not unlikely that she'll feel like she's made her goal for the night and if you treat her right she'll give you even more than you asked for in terms of service and/or time.

Lorenzo
04-15-06, 02:01
Chase Star,

Very astute observations. We're all different and have different wants and needs, but for me the GFE is the most important thing. I'd rather have a GFE with a 6 than go with a 10 who acts bored, rushed, cold, and bitchy. There's much more to sexual arousal than physical appearance. There has to be some chemistry. That's why it's a good idea to spend some time talking with a chica before committing to anything. If you have good chemistry during the preliminary talking session, you're likely to have it in the bedroom, too. Of course, there are always exceptions. I've had chicas who underwent a complete personality change once we get to the bedroom, or to be more precise, once I've paid her. This is why I've learned from bitter experience never to pay up front. Once you've gotten to the bedroom, 9 out of 10 chicas will agree to being paid when you've finished, if they even bring it up at all. If a girl insists on being paid up front, don't hesitate to show her the door. If you don't, you will almost certainly have a lousy experience.

You're also absolutely right about the importance of negotiating for services rather than price. This is just good common sense. You want to know what you're paying for before you discuss price. I always tell a chica what I want; if she doesn't agree, I move on and we never get to price. I've never had a chica not do what she said she was going to do, primarily because I think she knows that if she doesn't perform she won't get paid, at least not the full amount we agreed on.

Lorenzo

Johnny Sax
04-15-06, 09:54
Some guys like gordas. Some guys like skanks. Some guys like to REALLY bargain shop. Some guys are just plain blind. Another explanation is that aggressiveness that Lorenzo alluded to. Because they're so fugly, they HAVE to be aggressive and because they're so aggressive it sometimes pays off.

Right. I met a guy last time I was at the BM, who loved fat chicks! I don't mean girls with what I call the "Latina tummy", I mean downright FAT chicks. I was shocked at the girls he went for, and I don't think it was because they were cheap, it was just his thing. Weird. To each his own! As to the aggresion factor, that too is true. I have sat in Key Largo late at night, not really looking for sex, just hanging out, when this older, not so great looking woman came and worked on me... Over time, I began to find her sexy, and she started really turning me on, and I thought, "What the hell? For $50, I might have a really good time with this woman!" ... and it turned out that I did. She wasn't butt ugly, but she certainly wasn't someone I'd have seen in the bar and said "Wow! I gotta have some of that!" But sometimes it pays off, and you end up having great sex!



Despite all that, I still think it is sometimes worthwhile to do a little early fishing. Along with fewer chicas, you also have fewer mongers and many of the mongers you do have there during the day are just chilling out. So there's also less competition from fellow mongers and if there is a fairly decent looking chica that pops in you can just swoop in on her (something that is not always so easy to do later at night). Another thing is that there is a lot to be said for going with just decent looking 7's & 8's as opposed to waiting until later at night for the 9's & 10's as they often provide much better service. And some additional factors is that they may be less rushed, less drunk and/or less in a hurry to get back to the BM for another score during the day when there isn't so much going on back there than they'd be once the sun goes down.

I totally agree. Sometimes it is way better to go with a very friendly and nice 7-8 than it is to go with a 10 who is just going to give you a "wham, bang, thank you, man!" and get right back for another $100. Fortunately although I can appreciate a 10 as much as the next guy, I also have my own "type" and they are more the "cute" type who are 7's, 8's and 9's, and I usually see a 10 and automatically think, "Yeah, but she's going to be a b*tch!"


The question though should really be what you'll have to pay for those 9's & 10's and what sort of service you'll get from them in most cases. Now I'm not talking about comparing them to their equivalent in the US. Of course you won't even get a 7 in the US for $100/hour but that's not a fair or even relevant comparison. You've spent all this money to fly down there and to stay and you EXPECT to get more. The comparison you should be making is to what you could get for your money elsewhere in SJ or even elsewhere in the world for a similar investment of money and time.

By and large the BEST looking talent at the BM (that top half dozen or so tha JS referred to) are very hard if not impossible to bargain down much below their $100 (or recently sometimes even higher) initial asking price. In other words, you WOULD have to be rich to get a sore dick with them. And the reason is very simple. They don't have to discount their rates because they can wait it out and will soon find some other sucker who is more than happy to pay that top dollar.

I agree 100%. I wasn't implying that I go for those 9's and 10's, only that they are there to behold, that the selection is good. My mongering buddy and I have opposite approaches. He goes only for the 9's and 10's and puts up with the fact that they often don't provide great service. For him, it's just the idea of being with someone who looks so hot and sexy. I've been there, done that, but I find it much more satisfying to be with a 7 or 8 who gives me a GFE or at least is fun to be with and isn't in a hurry.



The chicas that I don't understand are the 2nd tier looking chicas (the 7's and 8's) who hold to the $100 price all night hour after hour. I guess they'd rather go once per night for an hour at $100 than 2-3 times or more during the course of an evening for $60 per throw. Maybe its simple pride or maybe they're making so much more (sitting around having guys buy them drinks all night and then making that $100 for an hour's work) than they would working hard all day in some shop that the $100 is all they need or want.

I think it is a combination of pride, plus not needing to make that much money. On the other hand, how proud can they be, standing there for hours, and knowing that all night no one was willing to pay them $100? It is STILL a mystery to me, because I just can't see why they wouldn't rather make $70 or so, and get the money in their pocket with the opportunity to MAYBE come back and make another $70 or so, and avoid the embarrassment of being "passed over" all night.



Fortunately for us, not all of these 7's and 8's are so stuck on the $100 mark and the deeper in the barrel you fish or the later in the evening you wait the more flexibility in pricing you are likely to find them. The trick is to find the right balance. Do you hold out on the hot chica you have your eye on until later in the evening when she'll be more flexible hoping no one else will go for her $100 price either or do you risk she'll find her mark for the evening and it won't be you?
Exactly. This is what often happens to those who play that game: their girl ends up finding someone else and they lose out, feel bummed that they didn't get her. I say if you want one particular girl THAT bad, then you should just go to her, negotiate as best you can, and head back with her. I usually am more flexible and I find enough girls I'm interested in, that if one holds out for $80 or more, I'll move on to the next girl. I usually prefer not to pay more than $70 or so, which is why I prefer Zona Blue, New Fantasy (at least, before when there were some hot babes there), and Idem. But I HAVE paid $100, but only for the whole night, and with a girl who I really enjoyed hanging out with for a couple hours before we headed to my room



I've had 8's that were total GFE's worth well more than what I paid. I've had 7's that I had to work to get down to $70 and later regretted not just walking away. You can negotiate and interview but you never really know what you're getting. That's why I like to repeat with chicas I've been with before and KNOW are good or at least go with chicas that were recommended by guys I trust.

Again, I agree 100%. I also like to do repeat business with girls I know are good. If I know someone is great, and we had a great time together, I'll usually go with her at least one more time.

But I also like variety, and that's where the risk comes in. I always buy them a drink or two, talk to them awhile, and see how they act. If they don't want to hang out and talk for at least half an hour, then the hell with them. There was this one Asian girl (1/2 Asian) in the BM and I went over to talk with her. After about 2 minutes, she asked me if I wanted to go to my room, and I said "Maybe, in a while..." and she said, "Well, I'm working right now, so I don't want to talk," and brushed me off. I feel sorry for the suckers who get stuck with girls like this! But it's "live and learn"; I guess after you've had a girl like that - no matter how hot she looks - you soon learn to try harder to "read" a girl before choosing her.

I HAVE had girls I consider 10's, and I've gotten them for $80 or so. However, usually it isn't worth it to me, and 9 out of 10 of them are not that good at what they do and are in a hurry to get back. I've only ever had a couple of 10's who I felt were worth the money, whereas I've had many 7's and 8's who were worth double or triple what I paid. Priceless, actually!

Prolijo
04-15-06, 16:12
I think there were very astute observations all around by EACH of us in the last 3 posts. Members with less mongering experience would do well to study all of those posts carefully. I'd like to add a few comments though that Lorenzo's post brought to mind:
That's why it's a good idea to spend some time talking with a chica before committing to anything. If you have good chemistry during the preliminary talking session, you're likely to have it in the bedroom, too. Of course, there are always exceptions. I've had chicas who underwent a complete personality change once we get to the bedroom, or to be more precise, once I've paid her. This is why I've learned from bitter experience never to pay up front. Once you've gotten to the bedroom, 9 out of 10 chicas will agree to being paid when you've finished, if they even bring it up at all. If a girl insists on being paid up front, don't hesitate to show her the door. If you don't, you will almost certainly have a lousy experience.
1) Spending time talking to the chica first is really the best screening tool. You don't even really have to spend that time "interviewing" her per se for the possible session ahead. One thing that I like to do is invite them over to the KL for a little dancing. If they're willing to take that short walk, which means they're going to HAVE to spend a little extra time with you, its a good sign. If they balk and just keep trying to get you to commit to taking them back to your room, then that may be a warning sign.

2) While the various prescreening methods can improve your odds they're still FAR from perfect. Guys often use the fishing metaphor to describe what we do in the "pink snapper" palace of the Blue Marlin, but who is REALLY doing the fishing is an open question. Sometimes I think they're really reeling US in rather than the other way around. They know (or at least the craftier ones do) what we look for INCLUDING the "non-rush" factor. To them its like reeling in a fish. You don't rush it or the fish may break the line. On the other hand once you get them in the boat, you just quickly put them on ice and toss in the line again. A girl may say AND DO all the right things in the bar and yet even then when you get them back to your room turn into an entirely different creature.

3) Which brings us to why Lorenzo's last comments are SO important. Vets already know this but it should be repeated in big bold letters "NEVER EVER PAY UP FRONT, at least not in CR for an indie girl (some fixed price MP's are a somewhat different story). There is an oft quoted saying that many of you have heard but others might not have which is "WE NEVER PAY FOR SEX, WE PAY THEM TO LEAVE". Think about that. It is true on several levels, which I could really go off and philosophize about, but the one that is relevant here is the literal one. We shouldn't pay at the beginning for sex. We should pay at the end, ostensibly for the sex we've just had, but in many other ways just to get them to leave.

Lorenzo's estimate is pretty good. The majority probably won't even ask for the money up front, though that balance is shifting unfavorably among BM girls as they find increasing numbers of suckers who don't know any better. But even if they do at least 9 in 10 will EASILY back down once you reveal you know how its normally done and insist (hey you can't blame a girl for trying).

As for the ones that are more insistant themselves. Watchout! Its easy to let your little head do the thinking once you've gone through the whole process of leaving the BM, going back to your room checking in (and sometimes paying a chica fee) and possibly getting yourself partially worked up along the way. BTW, sometimes they'll start to strip and/or do a little rubbing to get you worked up before they drop the payment bomb but sometimes they do it first thing before they start to disrobe which might be because they fear you might change your mind once you see what pops out of their clothes once they start to disrobe. If you're tempted to give in don't. If you have to argue with them for more than a minute forget it. Once you've paid you've lost control over the situation and they'll feel less compelled to give it their all or even possibly deliver on all the services that they so assuredly promised you back at the bar. Even if you're able to get them to back down, if you had to really work to get them to do it, it is a bad sign. For one thing, you've changed the tone of the session from one that is a possible GFFE to one that is clearly commercial. That is a tone that is very hard to get back. More importantly, the girl has revealed something about herself. Maybe her hidden agenda was to get you off and get back to the bar as quickly as possible. That will not have changed. Or maybe she is just going along but will be harboring some sort of resentment over losing that point that will impact her performance. Either way its not a situation worth risking.

The other possibility is that you have to show them you have the money or put it out on top of your bureau or even offer a partial payment with a promise of the balance or even a tip at the end. Some guys will do this. Heck, I'll even admit I have done that on a couple of desperate occasions, but I don't think it is really that good an idea for many of the same reasons outlined above. If it has to come to that, the level of trust and chemistry is not there and the quality of the upcoming session becomes more iffy.

Of course the flip side to this whole discussion is that, by resisting their insistance that we pay them first and trust that they'll deliver as promised, we're essentially insisting ourselves that they trust US to live up to our own word at the end. Given that they're basically *****s (okay, some guys insist that they're people too and don't like that term, but its still basically what they are), IMHO, WE have more reason not to trust THEM. Of course, a lot of them are basically honest business people who follow some sort of code of behavior, but a lot of them would do just about anything they could to part you from your money whether it be in an honest way or not. For their part, I'm sure the chicas encounter more than their share of scumbag mongers that wouldn't have any qualms about shortchanging them. I'd like to believe those guys are a small minority, but I'm sure it happens often enough to explain why some of the chicas are so reluctant to trust the rest of us to live up to our word to pay them at the end.

The moral is to NEVER pay up front, but ALWAYS pay at the end as promised for services delivered as promised (another reason for clarifying what will and won't be done ahead of time). Guys who rip off working girls in this way, make it harder for the rest of us who try to practice this hobby in an honorable way.

Johnny Sax
04-17-06, 20:12
2) While the various prescreening methods can improve your odds they're still FAR from perfect. Guys often use the fishing metaphor to describe what we do in the "pink snapper" palace of the Blue Marlin, but who is REALLY doing the fishing is an open question. Sometimes I think they're really reeling US in rather than the other way around. They know (or at least the craftier ones do) what we look for INCLUDING the "non-rush" factor. To them its like reeling in a fish. You don't rush it or the fish may break the line. On the other hand once you get them in the boat, you just quickly put them on ice and toss in the line again. A girl may say AND DO all the right things in the bar and yet even then when you get them back to your room turn into an entirely different creature.


One technique I use is, after I have spent some time with them back at the bar and determined that they are not going to rush me or be bitches, is to also let them know there will be an undetermined tip after we're done, if they treat me right. Usually that will be $5-$10, but if they are bitches in any way, it may be zero, and I'll tell them why if they ask about it.

Jaimito Cartero
04-17-06, 20:57
One technique I use is, after I have spent some time with them back at the bar and determined that they are not going to rush me or be bitches, is to also let them know there will be an undetermined tip after we're done, if they treat me right. Usually that will be $5-$10, but if they are bitches in any way, it may be zero, and I'll tell them why if they ask about it.

I've done this sometimes with mixed results. If they're really bitches, I will just shut it down right then, and then kick them out or leave. I've had this happen at some cheap places (Molino Rojo), where I just left after they failed to deliver (BBBJ). I don't ask for my money back, but do tell the condom desk that they were bad. Probably didn't make a difference.

I'm always really strict, if they break the prefuck agreement. If they promise/agree to something, and then refuse when they get in the room, then it's over. Either no money, or some taxi money or something. Doing otherwise only encourages them to rip others off.

Lorenzo
04-18-06, 04:50
This will be a summary of my recent month long mongering trip through all 7 Central American countries. I plan to post this report on the forums of all of these countries: Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama. As some of you know, I have alraedy posted several reports for each of the individual countries, some lengthy, some sketchy because there wasn't much to report. The responses to my reports were overwhelmingly positive, and I want to thank all the guys right now who posted positive responses on the threads and who sent me PMs. I got at least 10 PMs, all of them supportive, and I am grateful for these. A small number of negative responses were posted, all of them on the Honduras and Nicaragua forums. This was probably because I was less than enthusiastic about these countries, and some mongers apparently felt that I had insulted their favorite haunts. Now I am not an especially thin-skinned guy and can take my lumps, but I thought these few responses were surprisingly vicious. The posters seemed to feel the need to attack me personally. They seem to have no conception of the fact that reasonable people can have differing opinions on the same subject and still be civil to each other. I made it quite clear in each of my posts that it was my first time in CA and that I was taking this mongering trip largely out of curiosity to see how the mongering situation was in some countries I had never been to before. I made it clear, and want to make it clear now, that my reports are not intended for the veteran CA monger but for those, like myself, who are veteran mongers but who are new to this area, or at least some of the countries, and to this extent they may be helpful to some. If that isn't the case, well you can always ignore it and move on. But the negative posters just couldn't grasp this. They couldn't grasp why someone who is in a city for the first time might prefer to pay $55 to an escort service to have a chica come directly to his room for some excellent sex, rather than attempt to guide a brain dead taxi driver through the slums of Managua to find a hole in the wall massage parlor where he can get laid for $10. They seem to be unable to grasp that my time and my convenience are worth money too. These doofuses seem to exemplify Oscar Wilde's definition of a cynic as someone who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing. But I guess some people will always be terminally stupid.

Anyway, on to mongering. First I want to make a few observations about visiting CA, based on my trips through these 7 countries, that some might find helpful:

1) With the exception of Costa Rica, the taxi drivers in CA seem NEVER to have change--NEVER. So you will be well advised, early in your stay in a country, to stock up on the country's smallest paper currency unit.
2) The taxi drivers in Guatemala City and Managua are the dumbest in the world--and I've been all over the world. In GC, always have the address written down. In Managua you can't even do this, because there aren't any addresses! By contrast, the San Jose taxi drivers seem smart and helpful.
3) Even top of the line hotels may not have all the amenities you might expect. For example, I didn't once see an English langauage newspaper in the 6 Spanish speaking countries; I guess they've never heard of the International Herald Tribune. This is surprising, because it can be found all over South America. What is even more surprising is that it is often hard to find newspapers even in Spanish; the Holiday Inn in Guatemala City had no newspapers at all. Similarly, if you need toothpaste or deodorant, don't expect your hotel to have it; you'll probably have to go to a tienda.
4) You will need to have some knowledge of Spanish--period. This is especially true in El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua.
5) I found Central Americans to be exceptionally warm, friendly, and helpful during my trip. I even had the manager of a Guatemala City restaurant drive me back to my hotel when I couldn't find a taxi. I didn't meet a single nasty person. But read on.
6) In all of these countries, watch your back. Your physical safety comes first. If you don't know an area, don't assume it's safe. Take a taxi from door to door, even for short distances. Take only official taxis, and except in Managua, don't get in a taxi if another passenger is in it. (In Managua, taxis are routinely shared.)

Now on to my comparative country ratings. In evaluating the countries comparatively, I took the following factors into consideration: the ease of getting pussy; the quality of the girls, i.e., physical attractiveness, without considering their expertise; the quality of the sexual experience, which means the sexual skills of the girls, physical attractiveness aside; and price. For the record, I had sex in all 7 countries, 11 girls, 14 encounters (3 of them repeats, obviously). I'll make comments on each of these factors for each country, and then I'll give each country a rating from 1 through 10. What am I using as my paradigms? Well, I'm a veteran Rio de Janeiro monger, and to me Rio is the pussy capital of the world, so Rio would get a 10: easily available sex, beautiful girls who are highly skilled sexually, and reasonable prices (although Rio has gotten more expensive lately). Bangkok would get a 9.75, only because Thai girls are not always good kissers. As for a 1, I've never experienced a 1, but it would be something like what I imagine a conservative Moslem country to be: a place where getting laid is difficult or impossible, and might even be dangerous. So those are the parameters, and herewith the individual country summaries.

BELIZE: There is only one reliable place to get laid in Belize, which is Raul's Rose Garden near the Belize City airport. An hour with a bored chica or Belizean girl resulting in lackluster sex will cost about US$75. A few posters say they have gotten connections to girls from taxi drivers, but I had no luck with this. OVERALL RATING: 2.

GUATEMALA: Guatemala City has the highest concentration of quality chicas in all of CA, approaching but not equaling the termas in Rio. They are also very skilled sexually and I had them do everything I asked. However, it is also the most expensive. In the two best clubs, the rates are US$78 for 1/2 hour and US$156 for an hour, fixed by the club, not negotiable. There are cheaper places, but the quality of girls is nowhere near as high. Avoid the Club Elite; it's a ripoff for people on expense accounts and gullible tourists. OVERALL RATING: 8

EL SALVADOR: This country is CA's hidden gem. Pussy is readily available, All the girls I was with are quite skilled sexually, and DFK/BBBJ/DATY/CFS seem to be the norm. CIM was no problem. And it's incredibly cheap! There is a slight variation in the prices at the clubs, but the average is about US$25 for 1/2 hour and US$40 for an hour. So what's the drawback? Simple: the quality of the girls is not high. There are some attractive honeys available if you look, but the majority of the girls in the houses are skanks, and some are outright pigs. But as I said, the good ones are there if you look--really look. On the San Salvador thread, Cpteasy's posts are quite informative. OVERALL RATING: 8.5

HONDURAS: A wretched country; if Honduras has any redeeming qualities, I didn't see any. Don't come here for mongering. If you must come here, I suppose you can find something. You'll probably fare better in San Pedro Sula than Tegucigalpa. On the SPS thread, Ford's posts are pretty good. As for Tegucigalpa, forget it. It's easier to get laid in North Korea than Tegucigalpa. (If you think I'm exaggerating, I'm not: read my post from the North Korea forum: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=400531&postcount=44.) All I could manage to get was a hand job. As far as I could tell from the Tegucigalpa thread, that's all that anyone got. I read every single post on this thread and didn't find a single person who got laid or even got a blow job. OVERALL RATING: 1.5

NICARAGUA: Not quite as wretched as Honduras, but close. At least Leon is interesting as a tourist attraction, and I have heard Granada is too. Managua is a chaotic city where the streets don't even have names. Your best bet for mongering is to call an escort service in the Yellow Pages and hope for the best. I had good results from Bellamaris; cost US$55. OVERALL RATING: 4

COSTA RICA: Costa Rica, especially San Jose, is one of the best documented forums on this website, so I don't need to say a lot. Pussy is readily available, all over the place actually. The girls are uniformly good in bed, DFK/BBBJ/DATY/CFS the norm. Prices are reasonable; I never paid more than US$60 for an hour. Quality of girls overall is so so. There are some very attractive ones available, but a large number of skanks as well. Your best bet for finding quality chicas is the Sportsmens Lodge. What keeps me from giving CR a 10 is the fact that San Jose just isn't a very interesting city, so there's not much to do but monger. The tourist attractions lie elsewhere in the country. OVERALL RATING: 9

PANAMA: I didn't give Panama the attention it deserves, largely because I was doing tourist things like a canal boat ride, and I was recovering from being sick. I only mongered at one place, River Club, where I got a beautiful chica who was lousy in bed. Cost $US80 cash, $85 credit card. But pussy seems readily available, and I assume that what I paid was representative. But my rating will have to be tentative because of my limited mongering there, so I am basing it largely on other mongers reports as well as my own experience. OVERALL RATING: 7

So there it is. I hope some mongers will find this helpful. If you have experiences to add, please share them. Let's help maintain what should be the fraternal nature of this forum.

Lorenzo

Prolijo
04-18-06, 13:38
Great post Lorenzo! My CA experience is limited primarily just to CR, but also a little with Guat and think you really hit the mark on at least those 2 countries and probably the others as well based on what I've heard elsewhere. I wouldn't have given Guat such a high mark relative to CR (though they do have some beauts, expensive as they are), but your Rio friends might question the rating you gave CR relative to their place, so I'm not going to quibble. Actually, it was not the low marks for Nicaragua, Belize and Honduras that surprised me (again based on what I've read by those countries own advocates in their respective ISG forums) but the relatively high marks for Guat (as I said before) and ES.

I was planning to visit ES on a similar tour through CA. I've heard that they get very few gringos visitors and that the people are among the friendliest in all of CA. Of course, the fact that they see so few of us may go hand in hand with why they're still so friendly (they haven't seen enough "ugly americans" yet). Because there are so few reports in that forum, I really didn't know much about the mongering. I was planning to visit a few tourist attractions but mostly pass through. I was also planning to take a side trip into Honduras up through the Copan ruins and on to Roatan for some diving with maybe a 1 night stopover in SPS for whatever mongering opportunities it had and bypass Teguc altogether. Now I'm thinking to maybe focus entirely on the tourist activities there and allot more time for ES mongering.

The other thing that sort of gratified me about your post was the reaction you got or should I say didn't get here. Some guys from other regional forums have criticized this group for being overly parochial in our appreciation of CR so it pleases me to hear that it wasn't the CR guys that gave you trouble. Of course, it helped that you had mostly positive things to say about CR but you didn't make us out as perfect. Based on what our detractors from other forums have posted one would have thought you would have gotten a rise out of us when you posted that CR was just a regional mongering spot but not a world class one, but you didn't. Now that I see you've given us a 9, I think that sounds pretty close to being world-class to me. Anyway, your experiences here show that we can take our lumps far better than some other places. I'm really surprised that some of the guys in the Nicaragua and Honduras forum reacted with such hostility to your reports. Granted you gave their countries very low marks, but have they tried reading any of their own posts lately? As near as I can tell, you didn't post anything that was much different from anything else you can read there. In fact, based on the other posts I've read in those forums they sound pretty dismal.

ChiliMike
04-18-06, 23:41
Just wanted to pass this little bit of infomation on to the rest of the fellows...On my last trip , twice i had girls from the b.m. tell me " I WILL GIVE YOU THE PRICE OF $50.00 BUT YOU MUST PROMISE NOT TO TELL ANY OTHER GIRL" i kinda of proud myself of not going higher than 50.00 with any girl from the b.m. or key largo and on my last trip i never did ....i just keep finding better girls for alot less...so when i am in the b.m. i stick to my guns , well as i was saying twice i had girls make me promise not to tell...and this was no joke !! even after the deed they made sure it was clear to me not to tell...as there was some code for them not to go under 70..00 then it happen again and i said , they are trying to join forces to keep the price up, the way i roll now in san jose ...b.m. it a nice place to start the night off , a few drinks , meet up with your wing men, look at a few girls and then get the hell out of there....and as for me , i would hit it again about 3 to 4 in the a.m. ..as many have said before me ...the guys who stay that first nite in san jose then off to their fishing trip....are the ones that are giving in to the 100.00 if they were staying the rest of the week in san jose i think things would be much different...i would like to see them wear a hat "saying " in town for one nite only.........

Johnny Sax
04-19-06, 00:44
Just wanted to pass this little bit of infomation on to the rest of the fellows...On my last trip , twice i had girls from the b.m. tell me " I WILL GIVE YOU THE PRICE OF $50.00 BUT YOU MUST PROMISE NOT TO TELL ANY OTHER GIRL" i kinda of proud myself of not going higher than 50.00 with any girl from the b.m. or key largo and on my last trip i never did ....i just keep finding better girls for alot less...so when i am in the b.m. i stick to my guns , well as i was saying twice i had girls make me promise not to tell...and this was no joke !! even after the deed they made sure it was clear to me not to tell...as there was some code for them not to go under 70..00 then it happen again and i said , they are trying to join forces to keep the price up, the way i roll now in san jose ...b.m. it a nice place to start the night off , a few drinks , meet up with your wing men, look at a few girls and then get the hell out of there....and as for me , i would hit it again about 3 to 4 in the a.m. ..as many have said before me ...the guys who stay that first nite in san jose then off to their fishing trip....are the ones that are giving in to the 100.00 if they were staying the rest of the week in san jose i think things would be much different...i would like to see them wear a hat "saying " in town for one nite only.........

I also did not pay more than $50; okay, one girl I paid $60, but the other 4 I only paid $50, at the BM/Key Largo. I agree that it is just a matter of sticking to your guns, and if a girl knows that is all you are going to pay she can decide if she'd rather waste her time, and/or go with some old fat guy...

I have had very good success with this method and will continue with it. That said, I know my wing man likes to go for the ones that everyone is drooling over, and he doesn't mind paying $100 for them. I think if they are the cream of the crop - in the top 5%, say - then I can see a guy like my buddy paying that price, especially if he negotiates what he wants them to do and gets some time and enthusiasm for his money.

But personally I like the ones with the good attitude more than the ones with the six-pack ribs and gorgeous face and body. Especially since I have always found - with about 18 years of experience with this - that the hottest chicks are also usually the ones with the worst attitudes. Not always but usually.

I figure that if I can get a full hour at Zona Blue or Idem or New Fantasy, for $40-50, why should I pay some chick at the BM $80-100? The one time I paid $100 was when I spent 2 hours with the chick at KL, dancing and drinking, and then she went back and stayed the night with me. All I had was a $100 bill due to poor planning, so I just gave it to her and we both had a great time. But that is the exception to the rule. 95% of the time I spend under $50.

It helps if you speak Spanish and know how to sweet talk them and show them a good time.

Johnny Sax
04-19-06, 01:06
This will be a summary of my recent month long mongering trip through all 7 Central American countries. I plan to post this report on the forums of all of these countries: Belize, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama.

.... etc...

COSTA RICA: Costa Rica, especially San Jose, is one of the best documented forums on this website, so I don't need to say a lot. Pussy is readily available, all over the place actually. The girls are uniformly good in bed, DFK/BBBJ/DATY/CFS the norm. Prices are reasonable; I never paid more than US$60 for an hour. Quality of girls overall is so so. There are some very attractive ones available, but a large number of skanks as well. Your best bet for finding quality chicas is the Sportsmens Lodge. What keeps me from giving CR a 10 is the fact that San Jose just isn't a very interesting city, so there's not much to do but monger. The tourist attractions lie elsewhere in the country. OVERALL RATING: 9

PANAMA: I didn't give Panama the attention it deserves, largely because I was doing tourist things like a canal boat ride, and I was recovering from being sick. I only mongered at one place, River Club, where I got a beautiful chica who was lousy in bed. Cost $US80 cash, $85 credit card. But pussy seems readily available, and I assume that what I paid was representative. But my rating will have to be tentative because of my limited mongering there, so I am basing it largely on other mongers reports as well as my own experience. OVERALL RATING: 7

So there it is. I hope some mongers will find this helpful. If you have experiences to add, please share them. Let's help maintain what should be the fraternal nature of this forum.

Lorenzo


Hi Lorenzo, thanks for the posts. This one is informative and will come in handy some day I'm sure. I've only been to CR and Panama, and in Panama not to Panama City...

My only criticism is that you spent so little time in each country, so one has to take this into consideration. I have heard that Guatemala for example, has a lot of very cheap pussy and young and sexy too, but your post says it is expensive there. Well, sure at an expensive club, it is expensive; but I bet there are other places you can get 8's and 9's for $30-40. But then I haven't been there. But as I say, I have to take your report with a grain of salt since I've heard Guatemala has plenty of cheap good pussy. Maybe I heard wrong, too, so I'll have to wait and go there and see for myself some day...

Glad CR fared well in your report, it's good to know I'm not missing too much by not going to those other countries.

It's like my quick trip to David, Panama and inland: I cannot say my experience is representative of the scene there, but all I know is, my buddy and I saw very few hot girls in Panama (again, we did not go to Panama City), and we found almost NOTHING to do in David. In the Panama forum there is a guy there who claims you can meet up with a pimp who will call girls for you and they'll come into town from little pueblos outside of town and you'll have more hot sexy pussy then you know what to do with. So maybe that's true. But we were only there a few nights and I did not find any such scene. Sounds good in theory because he said he only had to use the pimp once, and after that the girls just give you their numbers and share you with their friends...

I have a feeling that ANY country where a monger resides, he will no doubt find some hot sexy chicks to have sex with, if he is at all resourceful, and thus will be offended at bad reports of his country. There probably are hot chicks available in ALL the above countries, or any country in the world for that matter. But you are right in discussing the ease of which it is available and the quality of those easily available girls. In this aspect, for me, I can't imagine a better country in Central America than Costa Rica.

I would like to go to Thailand and Brazil some day, but I hear so much about street crime and danger in Brazil and so much about AIDS in Thailand, for now, I am a happy to be able to easily go to Costa Rica.

MrVee
04-20-06, 04:15
This was last night (Tuesday, April 18).

Marriott hotel was DEAD and very quiet/serious (as you'd probably expect). In the bar, only about 12-14 expats or old business guys, sitting around talking to the bored bartenders. Not exactly what I was hoping for.

A hotel taxi driver took me to Elite (eh-leet-ay), which I had read some mixed reviews about, so I thought, what the heck. But it was no good - just like a strip bar in the States! high cost ($20 USD for one small glass of champagne for the girl who sits down uninvited and starts talking to you ... I declined on the basis of price - I'm sure they thought I was Mr. Cheap, but so what? they'll never see me again) The place was too loud and too dark - couldn't even really tell what the girl sitting next to me looked like unless I studied very hard. $45 USD for 3 dances in a "private room" ?! No thanks.

Driver next took me to Blue Marlin, although he said it's too dangerous there. But I've been in so much worse settings! Blue Marlin was awesome. Plus, the driver (from the hotel) took me through to another building and I think the bar was called ... uh, hmmmm, dang, I forgot. "El something-or-other" (I think) Anyway, the girls there weren't as plentiful nor as astounding as the Blue Marlin, but upon entering that bar area, one girl sitting on a stool caught my eye, and she was smiling with a devilish smile at me, locked eyes on me and almost didn't look away once. From what I could tell, she had a nice body, but certainly had nice eyes & face & hair & smile. Her expression just felt like she was saying, "YES! I've been WAITING for someone like you to walk in here!" That goes a long way in my book ... better than the transactional business-curious eye contact you get from most of the girls.

The driver and I got a beverage, sat down, looked around, then finally he said he'd go ask the girl to come over to our table. That was it. I was done. No need to sit around the bar a moment longer! It was 1 AM local time then. She initially said $300 USD for the night, but she said for me she'd make it $200. I gracefully and politely countered with $100, explaining to her what a wonderful experience she would have with me compared to most guys, PLUS it was already late and I had to get up and work the next morning! We agreed on $150 because she kept insinuating how good that price is, considering "toda la noche" AND considering how worth it she would make it for me.

Back to the hotel. Can't go into all the details just now, but suffice to say, she was mostly awesome in many of the most important (to me) respects. She stayed until Noon. Very, very nice girl to be with. We got along very well. She's 31 and has one kid - she's from Dominican Republic. Body was pretty much killer, and her face would make you think "Roslyn Sanchez" (not THAT good, but you get the idea). She was surprisingly tight with a smooth, flat tummy (for a mom).

Called her tonight because I decided to just not venture out tonight, and she happily agreed to come over around 10 and stay as long as I want her to.

I agree with the vast majority of you guys out there, that the 9s and 10s typically have attitude/service issues. My date is a solid 8+ with a 9+ personality - maybe it's just because our chemistry seems so natural and strong.

Member #2964
04-23-06, 17:10
Mr. Vee . Sorry you got hosed. $150.00 is hugh price to pay.

I have had Toda la noche for $30.00 more often then not $50.00 was the most I'v ever spent.

The girls love to say $100.00. But now I see that they are starting at $300.00 and working down. I have never seen anyone post that these woman were stupied. It's only the gringos who go in thinking with there one eyed head.

There is a learning curve and most taxi drivers will make sure you dont see that curve. They will work a kick back from the Chica for the "introduction" or try to get a piece of the action from the club.

I have not seen this work at the DR, BM or KL.

The most important thing to remember is have fun. Shop around. And try other clubs.

Lot of good info on the site. Ck it out before your next trip.

You are right on about Elite. My buddy and I tried the place out in 03 and it was costly and very HUSTLED then to. I managed to get a girls tel # and we hooked up the next day. She is still in the top 3 for worst sex chica in San Jose.

Rebel Monger
04-23-06, 19:31
Mr. Vee . Sorry you got hosed. $150.00 is hugh price to pay.

I have had Toda la noche for $30.00 more often then not $50.00 was the most I'v ever spent.

The girls love to say $100.00. But now I see that they are starting at $300.00 and working down. I have never seen anyone post that these woman were stupied. It's only the gringos who go in thinking with there one eyed head.

There is a learning curve and most taxi drivers will make sure you dont see that curve. They will work a kick back from the Chica for the "introduction" or try to get a piece of the action from the club.

I have not seen this work at the DR, BM or KL.

The most important thing to remember is have fun. Shop around. And try other clubs.

Lot of good info on the site. Ck it out before your next trip.

You are right on about Elite. My buddy and I tried the place out in 03 and it was costly and very HUSTLED then to. I managed to get a girls tel # and we hooked up the next day. She is still in the top 3 for worst sex chica in San Jose.Of course the "chicas" are not stupid. They know what we pay here in the states. There are a few of them who have been coming to Vegas to work the casinos, and they're making a lot of money, and I don't mean gambling!

Max Two
04-24-06, 23:51
First order of business is to thank all of those who came before me and took the time to share their experiences. If you have read my TJ MAXimizer posts then you know I like to do my homework to MAXimize my fun. This was my first trip to CR so I thought it would be a good chance to share the experience of a newbie to CR.

One caveat to my experience is the fact that my trip took place at the end of their holiday week so as always YMMVAL (Your Mileage May Vary A LOT)!

Strip Joints:

You guys called it, except for the mythical unicorn (the GFE 10) you are going to spend a lot time and money for an experience you could get in any big city in the states. Low bang for the buck best describes these places. Not to mention an overall poor attitude by management and the girls. Yes you will occasionally see or get to talk to a unicorn but probably only after you are drunk enough to hallucinate. I managed to walk into all the majors on at least two occasions and it was always about the same.

Massage:

While I was in San Jose only NF New Fantasy was fully operational. As mentioned in MANY posts early afternoon is the time to shop and the 15th was no exception. I was there about 1pm and the girls looked fresh and relaxed, if not a little hungry.

CR MAXimizer #1 go to the MP’s early!

TJ MAXIMIZER TIP #3 (Make friends with the manager)

I proceeded to talk to the hostess in charge and described what I was looking for. And as is often the case she told me to wait about 10 min for a girl that was on her way in for the day but had not yet arrived. Now, this is Hispania so that 10min can be anything from 30 sec to 2 hours so I told her I would wait for 15 min and then if she was not here yet, I might come back later that evening if I was not too tired. As usual, she disappeared for about 5 min and re appeared to tell me she had spoken to the girl on her cell phone and that she was only a few min away. She asked if I would like to use the sauna while I waited but I declined until I met the girl and decided if I was going to stay. Quite frankly the rest of the girls were in the 6 to 7 range and I was looking for a 7+ with a great attitude. She again assured me I would not be disappointed.

Well 10 min later I was anything but disappointed when in comes walking a thin very well endowed young woman with a great big smile on her face.

TJ MAXimizer TIP #2 chemistry is everything when it comes to performance.

Today would be no exception to that golden rule. So for the outrageous price of $40/hr I spent two hours in a very clean spa with a wonderful young woman who gave me complete GFE. Well it should probably be more accurately described as GFE+ since she seemed inclined to perform in ways most girlfriends need to be prodded into performing.

NF has a great layout, clean, secure, with a wonderful HOT sauna and in my own experience, management well above that I experienced in most of the other establishments.

Oh, and while I paid for the first hour up front, which is common in MP, I held out the opportunity for the second hour and a tip based on performance. When she smiled at this offer I knew I had a keeper.

CR MAXimizer TIP #2, If they frown or try to pressure you to buy both hours up front then don’t bother with the first hour! They are already a <1 for attitude!

One caveat for this section is that I did not make it out to OASIS since everyone kept telling me it was closed.

Bars, Clubs, Disco’s:

DEL RAY:

Ok so this place is a mainstay of CR but this week it was POOR at best and once the talent started showing up again the overall atmosphere (Vibe) from the girls and the patrons was all business. Nothing wrong with that, just not my style! So my overall rating for the DEL RAY is probably lower than most. If looks are what you came for, there is a good selection, but an 8+ with a good attitude was very hard to come by.

Key Largo:

This place was closed most of the time I was in San Jose so I only made it there after 2am the first night it was open. I was out at El Pueblo having a great time in a disco with a few girls I met there. On my last night I decided to head to Key Largo after doing the big taxi tour of the other bars and finding absolutely nothing worth writing about.

The exception to this was IDEM where my wingman grabbed a girl that he had some experience with for another session he could only describe using the smile on his face. I stuck around IDEM for about 45min looking to see if any of the other talent could hold a candle to my wingman’s selection but alas there was nothing of that caliber left so it was off to tour the rest of the clubs and bars before finally heading off to KL for a relaxing drink in a low pressure atmosphere.

Besides, my bartender at KL from the night before, a tall thin smiler from LIMON, was good company in the absence of my wingman who had now gone missing. That of course only meant that he Chose Well!

So I arrived at Key Largo early, which actually worked out well. It gave me a chance to look the place over and give a big hug to my bartender from the night before. The place was empty except for the bartenders and a few girls and patrons seated at the center bar. Nothing special so of course I went to the other less crowded bar figuring that eventually the new talent would start funneling in looking for a place to sit where the existing girls had not already monopolized the patrons they were sitting next too.

TJ MAXimizer Tip #7, keep a smile on your face and your options open!

True to form, no more than 15min after I had sat down, three girls came in and sat down on one side of me. A Tall Thin cute Dominican, A short petite, stunning little blond and their friend, a nice looking and happy blond, just not my type. That worked out nicely, since shortly after that another young tall thin Columbian looker came in and sat down beside them. It always works that way. It was obvious over the next hour that one of them was going to “take me home” but which one. That was all the fun, and the reason for choosing a bar like KL instead of DR. I was buying a few drinks and the girls were having a great time flirting. Since it was early they could take their time knowing that the ones not chosen would have plenty of time to find someone before they went home.

CR Maximizer #3, everything else being equal, choose attitude every time!

So over the next two hours I was surrounded by four beautiful women who’s primary objective was to see which one was going to leave with me that night. Well as the night wore on it became obvious that the little blond was just glowing from the attention and that she would translate that into one of the best experiences of my life. After all she was competing hard against the Columbian stunner who was 5 years younger, who was also smiling and laughing and giggling her heart out. At this point it was obvious that either one of these girls were going to make it an evening I would never forget. Oh dear what to do. Well that was obvious; we played a little drinking game. The idea was to see which girl blushed first. Well the blond friend took up the lead by asking the questions. She knew she was not in the running but I had treated her very nicely along with her friends so she was just having fun.

I guess if I had ever wanted a multiple girl session I could have had both the Petite blond and the Colombian but that’s just not my style. I like the one on one experience.

So the blond friend starts asking the questions. Like "What is the most sensitive part of a man’s penise?" Well she started to make me blush, so I was out of the game immediately as the other girls whispered their answers into my ear for me to decide who was right. Of course the petite blond was blushing bright red as she whispered her answers into my ear and her coy little smile showed she was either the worlds best actress or she really did not come here with her friends very often. The others all answered like pro’s, but the little blonds last answer tipped the scales. After her answer, she added that she wanted to try some of the things the others girls had said. And she said it while looking at me with the most lustful, blushing set of eyes I have ever seen in a bar! Ok so we finished the game during which the loosing girls consumed a few more drinks. Check!

Everyone was laughing and having a great time when the check came and I closed out my tab. They all knew from the look in her eyes that the petit blond and I would be spending the evening with each other. Everyone except the Columbian were still there 3 hours later when I walked her back into the bar. The two of us both looking like we had just eaten a Cheshire cat for desert.

She never asked me for a dime! If this had not been my last day in CR I would have had a girlfriend for the rest of my trip. I am sure she found the card and envelope I slipped into her purse while she showered. But she had not found it when I left her in the KL Bar with her friends.

El Pueblo:

This is a great complex if your looking for non & semi pro. One word of warning. I set up a date with a girl I met there and she turned out to be there in one of the 21 and older clubs on a fake ID. Her real ID made her off limits! Luckily, I checked the next day before taking her out on a date! She had her real ID with her that day and she was only 17 ½. Her other ID said she was 21! No wonder her friend was freaking out while we danced all night at the 21 and older club!

So be careful guys. There is just no need to take such chances! I think in the future I am going to start photographing their ID just in case I need it. Better safe than sorry.

Summary:

Don’t go to San Jose CR during the religious holiday unless the only thing you are coming for are the Volcano’s and Waterfalls. According to my wingman, who had been there a week before me, the beach bars are still well stocked even during the holiday.

The people, the women and the country of CR are magnificent!

MAX

Billm
04-26-06, 13:43
Hi,

I will be in San Jose this coming Sunday night. Unfortunately, it will be my only night in SJ. And, I have an early flight on Monday morning. So, I know I will have very limited opportunities to find some "fun". But, nonetheless, I want to give it my best shot. So, knowing this, where is the best place to find the best looking P4P women in San Jose on a Sunday night?

Thanks

Lorenzo
04-26-06, 16:01
where is the best place to find the best looking P4P women in San Jose on a Sunday night?
Based on my experience, and given the limited amount of time you have, I suggest that you book a room at the Sportsmen's Lodge. Go directly there from the airport and don't set foot outside the place until you leave for the airport, and eat all your meals there. The chicas will come to you.

Lorenzo

Johnny Sax
04-27-06, 01:54
Hi,

I will be in San Jose this coming Sunday night. Unfortunately, it will be my only night in SJ. And, I have an early flight on Monday morning. So, I know I will have very limited opportunities to find some "fun". But, nonetheless, I want to give it my best shot. So, knowing this, where is the best place to find the best looking P4P women in San Jose on a Sunday night?

Thanks
I have not been to the Sportsman's Lodge yet but from what I've read, it sounds like it might indeed be your best bet.

However, if that is not satisfactory to you, you can do one of the following:
go to the Del Rey and Key Largo (across the street from each other) in Gringo Gulch, there are always girls there.
Or if you want more of a "get down to business" "wh---house" type of place, you can go to Idem, a half mile or so from the Del Rey - ask any taxi driver to take you there.

If you were going to be in San Jose' before 6pm and wanted a nice massage type place with showers and sauna and such, I'd recommend checking out New Fantasy or Zona Blue, especially in the day time.

Good luck, and please report back, good and bad experiences!

R Brandon
04-27-06, 03:04
Places are to be slow on Sunday night but the best bet would be the Del Rey and Key Largo. I would fear Sportsmans might be slow on Sundays but may be wrong. Idem is closed on Sundays so no need to go there. If you arrive before 5 0r 6 New Fantasy or Zona Blue are open.
For really local options on Sunday VIP's 1 and Molino Rojo are open and a few MP's in afternoon including Europa 2000 and Centro as well as Calle 6 brothel's for truly adventurous.rbc100

Member #2666
04-27-06, 14:25
You can't miss at D'palufos in San Pedro (a three minute taxi ride). (get there around 9:30)

After you get jacked up there you can go back to the gultch and follow RBC advice

Billm
04-27-06, 19:06
can someone talk to the current streetwalker scene in san jose. where is the best location (for the best looking girls)? can you find a better deal (money-wise) on the street vs. a place like bm? are the girls hotter/less hot than what you find in bm? are the girls more likely to be on drugs, be ****, be dirty, or she-males on the street vs. in the clubs? just curious what the forum thinks.

thanks

WilliamWalker
04-28-06, 15:47
billm,
yes.
the girls are likely to be on drugs, be ****, be dirty, or she-males on the street vs. in the clubs.
avoid them like the plague.

unless you are into being mugged by trannies, then go to the morazon park at night. : )

if you want the best bang for the buck read what r brandon has posted. he is the king of value phucks. sort of a consumer advisor without a regular column.
could publish monger consumer reports if he wished.

and listen to chase star. he knows the scene.

Johnny Sax
04-28-06, 19:13
can someone talk to the current streetwalker scene in san jose. where is the best location (for the best looking girls)? can you find a better deal (money-wise) on the street vs. a place like bm? are the girls hotter/less hot than what you find in bm? are the girls more likely to be on drugs, be ****, be dirty, or she-males on the street vs. in the clubs? just curious what the forum thinks.

thanks

there is no reason to do streetwalkers in costa rica. they are likely to be dirty, crack*****, disease-infested, dangerous, etc...

you want cheap: go to some of the smaller out of the way bars and wh---houses around san jose. you can get sex there for under $15 if you want, and do so in a safer environment than on the street. the area around morazan park and south of del rey about 4 blocks (going toward idem) is definitely shemale territory, by the way.

how cheap do you want? you can get a full hour at new fantasy or zona blue in a super clean nice environment for $45 or so, also idem.

i have been to some of those bars in the red light district - can't think of the names - where i was offered sex for $10 and the girls weren't that bad.

read the forum here, find the reviews of some of those cheap bars, that is the best bet for cheap and safer sex. do wear a condom in those places, though!

R Brandon
04-28-06, 22:53
billm, street walkers a simply not owrth the risk with so many inexpensive venues avilable. if someone wants a really cheap lay there are the brothels on calle 6 between ave 3 and 5 ,about half dozen in the $7 dollar range and a step up there is 747 and the dungeon both less than $10 as well as numerous outher palces in the $10 to $20 range. the street walkers likely have diseases, **** or you amy get more equipment in the package than you bargain for so just check out some low end places,rbc100

Psychman
04-29-06, 02:25
billm,

the last three posters are correct. there is no reason whatseover. as r brandon noted, great cheap options. i especially like the dungeon; great deals can be had for 10 bucks, three somes for twenty.

if a girl is on the street in san jose, and not at a mp, bar, or club, she is most likely ****d, a criminal, a tranny, or an addict.

Long John 200
04-30-06, 02:21
I am planning my first trip to San Jose but I have a couple of questions.

I do not speak Spanish, is there bars that you can go to that have some ladies that speak English?

Where would you recommend I stay? I have been to Rio a couple of times but I would like to try some place new.

Lorenzo
04-30-06, 05:33
Long John 200: RTFF!

Sun Devil
04-30-06, 09:47
Long John 200:

The best place for you to go is the Hotel Del Rey. Most of the girls speak some English, as well as the bartenders. Unfortunately, because of their language skills, they are some of the more expensive ones in the country.

I have met a number of gringos who have gone there not being able to speak a word of Spanish and were still able to partake in the hobby and acquire a good time. It is a great place for conversing with fellow Americans, especially when they share their experiences of other P4P destinations: Thailand, Rio, Angeles, etc.

This is the sort of give and take that I enjoy whenever I go to the Del Rey. I might know a little bit more of San Jose and its venues than some of these guys, but they have taught me about other places to the point that I am planning a possible trip to Thailand, and a definite one to the PI.

Here are some really friendly, bilingual bartenders.

Member #2666
05-01-06, 02:47
While wandering around calle (maybe 6) and aveneda (6 or 8) I went into an upstairs bar around 4 o'clock, big dance floor, porno movies and girls arriving around 5.

Unfortunately, I couldn't hang around.

I think the name is Josylyns

Anyone know anything about it first hand?

The neighborhood is a liitle rough but hey!!!!

Qncterra
05-01-06, 03:11
I got back about a week ago, and was missing the place even before I got home. I spent the week on familiar territory and enjoyed myself as usual. For example, stayed at the Hotel Morazan, with entertainment primarily at BM and New Fantasy. I had read so much about Oasis and had that on my list, but just didn't make it. Also, didn't get to Bar Monaco, so I don't have an update on that. Haven't read a whole lot about it lately, either.

Hung out at BM on Monday afternoon, made a new Tica friend, and had a relaxed time. The routine is still the same, they ask for $ (USD) and you negotiate down to .5 or .6, unless they like being alone, or want to hold out for someone who doesn't know any better. Funny thing happened this time, by Tuesday evening, a couple of my former friends told some others I would not pay $. I don't know if they were trying to increase their odds or lower my choices, but it helped me to shorten the negotiation. The new ones would start by saying I know you want pay the $, so let's talk what you pay. I'd say New Fantasy takes .4. They'd act insulted, then accept .5 or .6.

I usually have the better GFE with Ticas, DR, Nicas, so I'd start with that until I found something I liked. There were some decent Tica and Nica selections at both BM and New Fantasy. Interesting thing about New Fantasy. I saw a Tica there on Wednesday mid-afternoon and she was fresh energetic and we had a great time. I was told that she'd start at 9 a.m., so I went back on Saturday mid-morning, before leaving. She seemed half asleep, with no energy at all. Like the other posters have said, looks like mid-afternoon is a good time for that place.

Talent seemed kind of limited this week following Easter, but most were hungry because of the Holy Week holidays and family stuff.

I couldn't get into the food thing this time. Even my old staple, whole sea bass at La Princesa Marina didn't taste very well. Who knows. Maybe that time of the month.

I expect to return sometime in August or September, depending on busy this hurricane season becomes.

By the airline tickets were a bit of a shock this time and a number of the AA flights didn't leave Miami until the next morning. I flew US Air through Charlotte, the ticket still $650.

Qncterra
05-01-06, 03:16
There was a Joselyn's in that area about three years ago, in a downstairs hotel/bar type setting. They closed and I never heard anymore about them. I don't know if this the same, but the girls were not aggressive and, for the most part, just sat around talking among themselves.

Would love to know a little more.

R Brandon
05-01-06, 03:35
The Old Jocelyns is now Muses MP. It is a local place but at times has some decent talent and rooms are nice. I believe current prices are 7000 col half hour and 11000 col per hour.rbc100

Prolijo
05-01-06, 03:52
That is all true, RBC, but aside from the name this place doesn't sound anything like the old Joselyns. Calle 6 and Avenida 6/8 is in the SW section of town near the Le Grillon nightclub and not up in the NW section where most of those MP's are located. Muses is on Avenida 7 near Calle 3. Also, while its been a long time since the old Joselyn's was around, as a I recall it was only 1 floor. You walked down a narrow hall on the left and entered the bar from the back and the rooms were in the back end of the building. I've attached a pic if that jogs anybody's memories. Could it be that the old Joselyn's has reopened in a new location?

R Brandon
05-01-06, 13:32
Chase the picture you posted of old Jocelyns is now Muses MP and it is on Ave 7 near Calle 3.I think the loction may have been misstated in the earlier post asking about the place.rbc100

Member #2666
05-01-06, 19:43
RCB the address is correct within a block or two , around calle (maybe 6) and aveneda (6 or 8) also, it's not the old Josephines near Bella Mansion.

The bartender was very friendly and the place looked like it had a lot of potential (for some)


Note: This place probably not meant for DR, KL, ZB, SL, NF types

R Brandon
05-02-06, 00:41
2666, I have passed by Josephines and you are right it is over close to Bella Mansion. Looks like on Ave 9 near Calle 4. The photo of the place Chase posted is now Muses and was Jocylyns before I ever arrived for my first visit to San Jose.Jocyln, the old proprietor now works at Molino Rojo sometimes.rbc100

R Brandon
05-02-06, 00:51
2666, The location of the place you posted about fits the location of a place a good freind of mine who lives in San Jose found recently. He posted it was called Bar SanCar or something similar on the CRT site.It is an afternoon and evening place he said.rbc100

Prolijo
05-02-06, 00:57
i'm wondering whether 2666 has the address right too. i'm not sure what josephines or la bella mansion have to do with this but they're even further north than muses. josephines is on avenida 9 between calle 2 y 4 and the old bella mansion was next door on the sw corner with calle 2. the area that 2666 described is way south of all of these other places way over on the other side of avenida 2. that area is best known for nighttime spots like le grillon, flamingo, arcadas, molino rojo etc. it is not normally associated with daytime mp's or where most mongers normally wonder around during the day (actually, i wouldn't exactly wonder around there at night either) except for maybe centro masajes and siboney mp and they are a full 5-6 blocks apart (not exactly a concentration), however i'm sure there may be a few others rep001tered around there. this matter might be cleared up a little by determining exactly which side of avenida 2 2666 was on, the far (southern) side or the gulch (northern) side. if 2666's info is correct, this could be the opening up of a whole new stomping grounds for daytime mp's the same way the that oasis off of paseo colon led to the discovery of a whole host of mp's in that area.

R Brandon
05-02-06, 01:32
Chase, Check my post below. There is a recently discovered place by my freind Bilko on CRT in about the location reported which would be near Le Grellion. Place he found is named Bar SanCar or something like that. He reported about a couple of blocks North and West of Molino Rojo. It opens like 3 PM to midnight and is a good size place but very local with about 7000col. sessions.rbc100

Prolijo
05-02-06, 01:57
Got it. I was composing my post while you were posting that.

R Brandon
05-02-06, 02:51
I will be checking out this area and the place mentioned when in town Memorial Day weekend and report back.rbc100

Member #2666
05-02-06, 22:41
Chase:



"within a block or two , around calle (maybe 6) and aveneda (6 or 8) "

Psychman
05-06-06, 02:16
In Janurary, I spent a bit of time walking around the Molino Rojo area (dusk, with three other guys, and even that is not the smartest idea), and there are several local places that look interesting. It is an area that is ripe for expoloration. I will be there on just after the Memorial day weekend, and plan on some recon.

Member #2666
05-07-06, 02:13
I'm almost positive that this place is between Ave 6 and 8 and off Calle 4

If you are walking past central massage (on your right) the next intersection is 4th avenue , the old park hotel is toward the left halfway up the block,

cross calle 4 and head down the hill past 6h ave and halfway down the block on your left is Sanacar.

If its not Sanacar, it's another Tico strip bar with girls, a stage and a pole.

Also, going back up the hill on calle 4 make a right on 6th ave and a few doors up on your right is a stairway with a plastic curtain leading up to a smallish bar.

behind the bar there are rooms and a back stairway leading down to Sanacar, where you take the girls from either Sanacar or the bar.

crazy configuration but true!

Karl Summers
05-08-06, 09:33
My apologies in advance for not putthing this in a new thread, but for some reason the system would not let me.

I will be visiting Costa Rica in June, and would like to know at which MP's, escort services, etc. do users know where greek and/or BBBJCIM are available?

Also, what are the prices for these additional services?

Thanks in advance.

Karl

Big Bug
05-08-06, 15:05
Guys,

what was the name of that expensive club that had the plane inside?? Anyone been there? What is it like?

Bug

Don Papi
05-08-06, 16:05
It's called Tango India.

Sun Devil
05-08-06, 18:46
That place is called Tango India.

ChiliMike
05-08-06, 20:23
i went once to it...and felt bad vibes .....cover was like 15.00 i think but they gave you like 3 drink coupons ...the girls were 6"s to 7"s and all wanted prices of 200.00 and up ....granted it was my first trip to san jose when i went and i am sure i had "rich gringo" written on my back ....so i not really sure of the "real price " or if you could even do them inside the club..? but would i tell someone to go there .....NO....so many better value places to hit with hotter girls ....i felt like i was in a us titty bar while i was there ...only thing i did see that they had to offer that was different...was there were some girls from russia, rommaina ,and other places. And the plane was pretty cool.....Hey sun devil ......i am looking and waiting on your latest trip report ...please give all details and hope things go well in asia .....chilimike

ChiliMike
05-08-06, 20:33
i am to a lover of greek....and trust me ....one out of every 20 "might" do it..and they may just tell you they will before you hit the room and then either change their mind or jack the price up either futher.....out of my 5 trips to san jose ...i think maybe about 3 of the many girls i have been with have accepted ...most think you are crazy....or its something that is bad...but i never stop trying...worst place to try ...is the bm ,they get mad even when you ask...but it works both ways...when i am trying to ditch a girl ...and they keep asking "lets go to the room" all you need to do is ask...you take it in the "butt" there eyes get big and say..."no pappy no" and then you say...no butt, no room...and they leave you alone...i found a place that i feel you will have a little luck in and the price is right ...pm me and i will give it to you....chilimike

Big Bug
05-09-06, 03:59
Thanks guys. Is it really worth the extra bucks?


That place is called Tango India.

Jaimito Cartero
05-09-06, 11:37
I've been there before with some Costa Rican buddies. I think the night I went you got two drinks for about $8. This was 2 years ago, I think.

It was interesting, but I had no desire to pull any ladies out. The prices they quoted were ridiculous. The show in the plane wasn't bad, about $4-$5, and they give you a shot at the end, and you get to feel up the chicas, and get a psuedo private dance.

I don't know why anyone would consider paying 200-300 for a lady in CR. Go to Idem, BM, ZB, NF, Kamur or such, and get it done for $50. If you pay $100 or more, you're just pissing it away.

Cpteasy
05-09-06, 14:42
Visit El Salvador instead. Many girls in San Salvador will give you BBBJCIM and some will go Greek for free or maybe $10 more. I know a few at Kiss Fresh who will personally. Adamaris for one and Elizabeth would, but she's not there anymore. I don't know any girl at KF who won't do BBBJCIM.

It's also cheaper than CR ($30-35/45 minutes on site) and the girls are just as good looking, on average, with much better attitudes than the Ticas (that will will probably get me flamed by the RC mafia). ES does not have the ocassional super model that CR has, but I'm not particularly interested in that altho I don't want to put a sack over her head or body either.

Lorenzo
05-09-06, 18:10
Cpteasy is right on in everything he says. El Salvador is the hidden gem of Central America, and the best pussy bargain I have come across in years. Everything else is cheap, too. You can stay at a luxury hotel like the Intercontinental, for <$100 a night, and you can get a full meal at a pupuseria for $3. Not much else to do there but monger, though.

Lorenzo

Prolijo
05-10-06, 02:51
As long as we are talking about other countries for greek besides CR, I think nowhere else can beat Rio in that department (except maybe Greece itself, I never did any mongering there). Not only are most of the garotas willing to do greek for no extra charge, many of them will actually ask YOU to do it first since they are REALLY into it.

Member #2964
05-10-06, 21:11
Don't wright off Tango India. If you take your time it's a good deal for such a place.

Where else are you going to see a 2 story pole show / slide. And then get a 2 song lap dance for 6 bucks USD.

The girls will give you there telephone numbers and meet you at the Hotel. Each girl has her own price.

It's all in how you present yourself.

It's not a place where for the price of a drink you can have two girls tag sucking your dick while sitting at the bar; that is a given.

It caters to americans, visiters and Tico's both male and female.

It is not as pushy as Elite. It is not as expencive as Lipstick. And its cleaner, cheaper and less pushy then La Grillion.

I don't know if the free van ride is still avalable but when they pick you up and drop you back at say the DR for ZIP or a 1 mill propina for the driver that in and of itself is a app. $16.00 RT taxi fare.

For my money it's about a 2 drink pit-stop in the night tour. get there about 10:30 - 11:00.

When we went we had front row seats for the stage to the left of the entrance and then latter moved to the back bar area. more gilrs were working the bar.

Don't get me wrong the girls came up and asked if we wanted company but when told no went away without hanging on.

I say its worth the trip every 2 or 3 trips.

Big Bug
05-11-06, 15:23
Thanks for the info guys


Don't wright off Tango India. If you take your time it's a good deal for such a place.

Where else are you going to see a 2 story pole show / slide. And then get a 2 song lap dance for 6 bucks USD.

The girls will give you there telephone numbers and meet you at the Hotel. Each girl has her own price.

It's all in how you present yourself.

It's not a place where for the price of a drink you can have two girls tag sucking your dick while sitting at the bar; that is a given.

It caters to americans, visiters and Tico's both male and female.

It is not as pushy as Elite. It is not as expencive as Lipstick. And its cleaner, cheaper and less pushy then La Grillion.

I don't know if the free van ride is still avalable but when they pick you up and drop you back at say the DR for ZIP or a 1 mill propina for the driver that in and of itself is a app. $16.00 RT taxi fare.

For my money it's about a 2 drink pit-stop in the night tour. get there about 10:30 - 11:00.

When we went we had front row seats for the stage to the left of the entrance and then latter moved to the back bar area. more gilrs were working the bar.

Don't get me wrong the girls came up and asked if we wanted company but when told no went away without hanging on.

I say its worth the trip every 2 or 3 trips.

Patbutter
05-13-06, 01:38
Just returned from SJ. I'm not going to give a detailed report but some impressions that may be useful to others.

First, I want to thank members of this board who:

1. Recommended Oasis. This place had some cuties who gave great service and the price was very reasonable (12,000 colones=$24 for an hour). This place was the source of my best experiences in CR. Wish I'd gone there more - went three times - BBBJ X 2, DATY X 1, DFK X 1, great time X 3

I did not go to other MPs because of mixed reviews, though someone living in CR told me Eros is good.

2. Chase who suggested Morazon rather than Holiday Inn. On his suggestion I moved early in the trip and saved $$$ on room and chica fees. Also less anxiety with shorter walk back to hotel from DR. I owe you a beer, tequila (or maybe a truckload). Keep me posted on when you're going back to CR - if I'm there at the same time, I'll repay you (or if you're in LA)

I've read some posts on this board suggesting girls at DR are not hot - could not disagree more. Saw some real hotties in SJ and I am picky, live in Los Angeles where I see gorgous girls all the time. Unfortunately many of the gorgeous girls seemed full of themselves, distant and were very business-like - a turn-off for me and something that I have not experienced nearly as much in Rio or Thailand.

In most cases, DR girls insisted on CBJ, refusing BBBJ. One girl who had been trying to talk me into smoking marijuana and cocaine with her, refused BBBJ, saying it was dangerous. (I ended up not taking her to the room). GFE was rare from DR girls, especially the hottest ones, in my experience and that of other guys I met there.

One of the best parts of the trip was the other guys mongering there. I made several friends. American tourists were very friendly (as were the local guys: taxi drivers, waiters etc). This impressed me vs other vacation locations

Bottom line IMO (from admittedly limited experience): CR has gorgeous girls but getting GFE is more work, less common than in Brazil and Thailand. I will likely return occasionally partly because I don't want to limit myself to just Thailand and Brazil, partly because I met friends who are stuck on CR and I would like to hang with them. Also I enjoyed Oasis and just hanging out at DR even if just to look at the scene.

If there are other MPs with the price point and chica quality of Oasis I'd like to hear about them.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.

R Brandon
05-14-06, 02:15
Patbutter, Oasis is my favorite place as well and may have the best collection of quality girls at a value price of any MP in San Jose. There are however numerous outher places with some quality talent in the same price range in the same niegborhood. Some include the place around the corner owner by same owners,Veronicas,VIP's massage and a few outhers. There are also some lower end places that can have some nice talent at a real value price like 747,Chachacha,Dungeon, Muses and some outhers.rbc100

Travel Addict
05-14-06, 06:08
TRAVEL FROM SAN JOSE TO CARTAGENA OR ISLA SAN ANDRES CHEAP!
A Tico friend pointed me to
www.destinostv.com
Super-cheap charter flights and packages to Cartagena & Isla San Andres.
They charter a whole TACA jet a couple of times a week, and sell packages with hotel for much less than the airfare would cost you otherwise. The plane stops each way in Cartagena and Isla San Andres. You do pay airport tax coming and going CR and Colombia about $25 each. They also have some other interesting specials on the website to various destinations. Highly recommended. You have to pay with credit card or bank transfer, and you don't get your ticket til you get to the SJO airport, which made me nervous. But they have a stand right next to the TACA counter on days they do flights and everything went as smooth as butter. They handed me my boarding passes and vouchers. The "all-inclusive" hotel was right on the beach in San Andres, and had once been once, but was really run down (no hot water, phone broken) and the "all-inclusive" meant stale sandwiches and for some reason all you could drink OLD MILWAUKI beer, LOL, but heck it was virtually free. Isla San Andres is a beautiful tropical island which belongs to Colombia, very small, mostly black people who speak some English. No major action there, pretty much BYOG. VERY few gringos, mostly Colombians and Panamanians on vacation. completely safe they search the fuck out of you when you arrive to keep weapons off the island. Check it out.

Netsik
05-28-06, 15:27
This time I stayed in Hotel Del Rey. No space in Sportsmen. Both places are fantastic monger hotels. You do not have to get out and you have your own comfort of your room. Internet connection at Sportsmen is much better, I had difficulties to connect wireless in.

DR and they charge extra. Sportsmen does not charge for Internet but has much less girl selection. DR charges also for chicas 5,000 colones(10$) and Sportsmen does not.

Went to the bar, immediately I was catched by Melissa, young student after half hour talk went upstairs. I think she was new in the business so the action was not exciting, she did not know the correct moves, early negotiated bbbj was lousy. Body 8, service 3.

Kind of disappointed I went to the bar this time SIOMARA came to me. A very well built mulatto(mix of black and white) with a fantastic body. We went upstairs. Perfect service just no daty. She came twice, I came twice. Service 9 Body 9.

Dapanz 1
05-29-06, 00:13
Netsik is Siomara a Dominican?

Dapanz1

Netsik
05-29-06, 11:54
Netsik is Siomara a Dominican?

Dapanz1Siomara is a tica from limon.

Dapanz 1
05-29-06, 17:41
I think I know her too. Very tall for a tica. Check your pm.

Dapanz1

SanJoseFan
05-30-06, 02:52
Nestik is the Melissa your refering to a short blonde with medium lenght hair? If so I brought her back to the Presdidnte a few months back with much better resorts. For me she was a real dynamo in bed and for broken english not a bad personality. I had her email and was going to try to hook up with her in July when I go again.

I guess its true your mileage will vary depending on day and time

Big Bug
05-30-06, 05:34
share the pic....


I think I know her too. Very tall for a tica. Check your pm.

Dapanz1

Netsik
06-01-06, 03:06
Nestik is the Melissa your refering to a short blonde with medium lenght hair?No, She has short light braun hair.

Silent Nited
06-01-06, 22:18
We are planning a trip to CR for July and would like to get some suggestions on "friendly" hotels. Here is a list of ones that I have checked on rates so far.

Best Western San Jose Downtown

Hotel Santo Tomas

Best Western Irazu

Balmoral Hotel

Barcelo Rincon Del Valle

Clarion Hotel Amon Downtown

Hotel Parque Del Lago

Gran Hotel Costa Rica

ThunderPants
06-02-06, 04:12
You shoulf check Sportsman Lodge nd Castillo, Best Western Downtown is ok.

ThunderPants
06-02-06, 04:14
Of those you you cheked Best Western Downtown is OK but check Sportsman Lodge.

ThunderPants
06-02-06, 15:36
Try Sportsman and Castillo.

Netsik
06-03-06, 14:00
Here is the site for a long slide show. You can pre select your chicha before you go.

Enjoy

http://pantera-rosa.com/SlideShow.html

Dapanz 1
06-04-06, 06:46
I would love to post a pic but I can't figure out how to make the damn thing small enough to upload.

dapanz1

Hi Dapanz 1,

How to resize photographs http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/faq.php?faq=photo_gallery_questions#faq_photo_gallery_questions_05

Thanks,

Jackson

Dapanz 1
06-04-06, 06:51
Ok, Netsik, is this her? The "Tica from Limon."

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Dapanz 1
06-04-06, 19:26
She has a few different looks. This is the Siomara that I know.

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Bartchamdo
06-04-06, 22:23
I visited Idem toward the end of May and was a little disappointed. The place seemed a little seedier than I remembered it being in 2005. I went with Anna, a lovely dark skinned tica. She remembered me from my earlier visits, and seemed to be jealous or irritated about me liking a particular lady there.

She didn´t shower with me afterwards. I headed out to shower alone and the bathroom was used and some guy was standing in the shower, but the water wasn´t going. He left after a minute, and I realized he must have been pissing in there. Kind of gross. I got the feeling he didn´t work there and was just hanging with a friend.

Johnny Sax
06-11-06, 08:00
I visited Idem toward the end of May and was a little disappointed. The place seemed a little seedier than I remembered it being in 2005. I went with Anna, a lovely dark skinned tica. She remembered me from my earlier visits, and seemed to be jealous or irritated about me liking a particular lady there.

She didn´t shower with me afterwards. I headed out to shower alone and the bathroom was used and some guy was standing in the shower, but the water wasn´t going. He left after a minute, and I realized he must have been pissing in there. Kind of gross. I got the feeling he didn´t work there and was just hanging with a friend.

I was there last February and I found them to have a very disappointing selection. Of course I was there at night. Maybe in the day it is better. But I'm usually busy during the day and dont' get out to exercise my muscle until later in the evening. I did go with a chick who was pretty hot looking, a blonde Tica or Nica; but her performance was positively uninspired and uninspiring. She didn't offer me a shower, I didn't even know they had one! Went back 2 more times to see if the selection improved, and to take a buddy. It didn't. Few girls worth looking at and the one or two who I might have wanted to go with, were too busy with their girlfriends or cell phones.

I had much better luck at Zona Blue, Key Largo and the Blue Marlin, and I didn't pay much more there than the prices at Idem.

Johnny Sax
06-11-06, 08:05
It's recommended on Don Gordo's site but I notice that site has not been updated for quite awhile, he's still talking about stopping by the Hotel Park on there!

Anyway, I wouldn't mind staying at an Aparthotel for a week for $150 rather than spend $50-90/night at a downtown hotel.

Anyone know about this apartnment-hotel?
http://www.sudamer.net/

R Brandon
06-11-06, 14:05
Sudamer Apartments are nice and fairly close to the scene. I have freinds who have stayed there but have personally stayed at Vista Linda. I wouldn't hesitate to stay there. Ther area around is not safe at night so just use taxis in evening right to door.rbc100