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Good post Gogo. I think you should repost this in your forum since it covers a wide scope of mongering spots.
I'm another one of those over here in a holding pattern for Brazil once the Olympics is done, lol. Medellin has been my go to spot for the last 4yrs and running, but Santo Domingo is in my line of sight this year. Never given Bogota any consideration just yet, but those Bogotanas are just as stunning as their Paisa cousins.
Probably will look into doing a quick weekend hop to Sosua, but man the airfare alone makes it discouraging. Especially when I can get to Colombia for less than what it would cost me to go to Sosua. And not sure if I am down to do an 8hr bus ride from SD to Sosua (I know a lot of you Vets have done this numerous times). STI seems to always have the Red-Eye flights, but might not be too bad if you are looking to spend time in Santiago to begin with.If you really like Medellin's setup SD might disappoint you. Granted they both are large cities with plenty of chicas. I've only been to Medellin once and Santo Domingo more than my fingers can count. If it wasn't for BC, Santiago, Sosua, and the other smaller city in close proximity I would be traveling to Medellin more. Even though my first trip to Medellin wasn't nothing to brag about. Medellin was strai8 up. The prices are lower and I can light up with no problems. Chicas in SD come with a lot of bull. Our free night Mr. G imported chicas from San Pedro. Why? Santa Domingo Chica are full of shit. So if this strictly for females you're not missing anything in Santa Domingo unless you just want to strike it off your list. Now when it comes to the DR and Columbia. For me nothing can beat the hometown feeling the DR gives me. Add the beach and enough said.
Chicas in SD come with a lot of bull. Our free night Mr. G imported chicas from San Pedro. Why? Santa Domingo Chica are full of shit. So if this strictly for females you're not missing anything in Santa Domingo unless you just want to strike it off your list.I can certainly understand why you feel that way when you don't know how to operate in Santo Domingo. Even when I was traveling here I'd never have any problems getting girls hassle free. My very first time ever on the island (I'd guess you call me a newbie) I was "adentro la toto" (inside the pussy) within two hours of wheels down in SDQ. Knowing nothing and having nothing set up before hand other than the hotel. Call it beginners luck if you want too. But I've never had a problem having more than enough girls to fill my social schedule at any given time in Santo Domingo. I even read on the board that most of the girls in Sosua are from Santo Domingo. Exactly what happens to them on the bus trip remains a mystery to me.
SavePros321
02-28-16, 05:20
If you really like Medellin's setup SD might disappoint you. Granted they both are large cities with plenty of chicas. I've only been to Medellin once and Santo Domingo more than my fingers can count. If it wasn't for BC, Santiago, Sosua, and the other smaller city in close proximity I would be traveling to Medellin more. Even though my first trip to Medellin wasn't nothing to brag about. Medellin was strai8 up. The prices are lower and I can light up with no problems. Chicas in SD come with a lot of bull. Our free night Mr. G imported chicas from San Pedro. Why? Santa Domingo Chica are full of shit. So if this strictly for females you're not missing anything in Santa Domingo unless you just want to strike it off your list. Now when it comes to the DR and Columbia. For me nothing can beat the hometown feeling the DR gives me. Add the beach and enough said.Thanks for that heads-up GrownMan. But I was thinking along the lines of what Old Kool does and what Gogo did: import chicas from out of town. Most of the chicas I met on Dominican Cupid during my run up to SD years ago (trip never happened) were from either San Pedro, La Romana, San Cristobal, Santiago, etc. I agree with Old Kool's approach in that if they are hopping on a bus to come and see you, then they already know the deal.
The SD girls I met on DC seemed to be down to meet, but I don't know if it turns into a different story once you actually have boots on the ground there. I guess if a chica flakes you can always hit up a casa the relive yourself. I don't see myself doing more than 4 days in SD Tops.
Thanks for that heads-up GrownMan. But I was thinking along the lines of what Old Kool does and what Gogo did: import chicas from out of town. Most of the chicas I met on Dominican Cupid during my run up to SD years ago (trip never happened) were from either San Pedro, La Romana, San Cristobal, Santiago, etc. I agree with Old Kool's approach in that if they are hopping on a bus to come and see you, then they already know the deal.
The SD girls I met on DC seemed to be down to meet, but I don't know if it turns into a different story once you actually have boots on the ground there. I guess if a chica flakes you can always hit up a casa the relive yourself. I don't see myself doing more than 4 days in SD Tops.Each city has its own personality, but the common ground is that chicas don't like to present themselves to P4P where they have lived and have family nearby. They play the" I'm looking for a boyfriend" role while localized. Sosua and Boca Chica have chicas from surrounding areas that understand when they go there it's P4P. SD and Santiago have chicas that will play the good girl role while in their cities but get them out of where they live and P4P comes into play. San Pedro girls love to get out of their city and trick. I have met very few chicas who were born and raised in Sosua who trick there. Most are from other places but if you saw them in their hometown they would give you a totally different vibe. I'm noticing that chicas once they know you (Through Dominican Cupid) will hop on a Gua Gua from their hometown on the south coast, to go be with a gringo quicker than girls from the north coast. Maybe it's because girls on the north coast (Sosua, POP, Cabarette) have more gringo options. Or maybe it's because the girls that live on the north coast despise Sosua and don't want to go there and compete with the SD girls. I've also noticed that the girls I imported to Boca Chica from SD and SP didn't want to go to the strip but wanted to have a meal, drinks and then to the hotel room. Part Time P4P don't want to be around known trick spots and that's understandable.
Thanks for that heads-up GrownMan. But I was thinking along the lines of what Old Kool does and what Gogo did: import chicas from out of town. Most of the chicas I met on Dominican Cupid during my run up to SD years ago (trip never happened) were from either San Pedro, La Romana, San Cristobal, Santiago, etc. I agree with Old Kool's approach in that if they are hopping on a bus to come and see you, then they already know the deal.
The SD girls I met on DC seemed to be down to meet, but I don't know if it turns into a different story once you actually have boots on the ground there. I guess if a chica flakes you can always hit up a casa the relive yourself. I don't see myself doing more than 4 days in SD Tops.It's true that girls don't like to present themselves for P 4 P around friends and family. But that means nothing more than simply getting out of the barrio (neighborhood) they are from and not being seen on the street with you. I've never had a girl flake on me from Dominican Cupid. Only one did not put out. And none of them asked for money up front. Yes, if they are hopping on a bus to come see you, then they already know the deal. And don't forget about referrals. All these girls have friends who also know the P 4 P world. Land here at the right time when girls are looking for money to pay their rent, university tuition, purchase school clothes and supplies and P 4 P available for about 80% of the women here. There are also the old fashion ways of meeting girls. Seeing one you like and actually talking with her right there. A rather novel approach. Requires language skills. But it works. LOL.
I can certainly understand why you feel that way when you don't know how to operate in Santo Domingo. Even when I was traveling here I'd never have any problems getting girls hassle free. My very first time ever on the island (I'd guess you call me a newbie) I was "adentro la toto" (inside the pussy) within two hours of wheels down in SDQ. Knowing nothing and having nothing set up before hand other than the hotel. Call it beginners luck if you want too. But I've never had a problem having more than enough girls to fill my social schedule at any given time in Santo Domingo. I even read on the board that most of the girls in Sosua are from Santo Domingo. Exactly what happens to them on the bus trip remains a mystery to me.
I was "adentro la toto" (inside the pussy) within two hours of wheels down in SDQ...Thanks for the translation. She was probably laughing so hard at your attempts to speak Spanish that her pants fell down. I have never been to school to study Spanish, but I can tell you that "toto" is a masculine noun, because all common Spanish words that end in "o" are masculine, except for "la mano", "la foto", "la radio", "la moto", and "la libido" and a couple of other words like "polio" amd "virago".
Also "adentro" must take the preposition "de" , do it would be "adentro del toto"although this expression would not make a lot of sense in Spanish anyway.
I can certainly understand why you feel that way when you don't know how to operate in Santo Domingo..I am pretty sure you are successful using your sugar daddy techniques. I didn't say that to be offensive I'm only quoting you. But that technique is out of my MO.
Thanks for that heads-up GrownMan. But I was thinking along the lines of what Old Kool does and what Gogo did: import chicas from out of town. Most of the chicas I met on Dominican Cupid during my run up to SD years ago (trip never happened) were from either San Pedro, La Romana, .Kool technique is very effective. That's because Kool knows the layout of Santo Domingo. He has years under his belt and a backup plan of Chica he has already dealt with and knows the deal. Your ability to speak Spanish will be a plus for you. We kool SP so I don't want you to slip without yo boi giving you the heads up. DC is good at meeting chicas. A lot of chicas use the sight as a full time job. Hustlin America prepping them for Western Union noviolization. Without any plans of actually meeting them or giving them attention. I learned from Mr E. While we both were in Santo Domingo setting up Chicas to come over. I was trying to set the times right so they wouldn't bump heads. Mr E said f* that the first group that gets here is how we operate. He was right when meeting new chicas. Even those chicas arrived the next day. Most chicas don't have a sense of timing. I have had plenty of Santo Domingo Chicas after spending long hours of conversation with them in the US not show up or be seriously late once I arrived. Importing chicas can also lead you stuck all day with ungratefuls. Asked Surfer. You said while in Medellin you haven't had the need to fish outside the city. Why we a lot of us fish outside of SD? To avoid the bull. This is why I say it you are used to Medellin style Santa Domingo may disappoint you. Prior planning prevents poor performance apply here. A backup plan for your backup plans backup plan also applies.
What I do is go hard about a month before my trip (line up about 30 girls) and try to get them over to wassap, and let them screen themselves. Some will talk the love / relationship shit, others will go through a feeling out process and then you will have the ones who understand what you want without the games. I give them an arrival date about two days after my actual arrival date and see who bites. I like Boca Chic because it is directly between prime pulling spots and you have the Boca Chica strip as a backup plan. San Pedro / La Romana are a 30-60 minute bus ride and SD is about a 45 minute bus ride. Actually Boca is a transfer point so all the buses have to come through there. I was surprised because I thought most chicas wouldn't want to come there because it has a seedy reputation but most of the girls had no problem coming to BC they just didn't want to go to the strip and be around tricks. Thats why I now use Grownman's spot on the outskirts of BC by the highway, plus the bus drops of at the corner.
I stay away from the Dominican cupid girls who have more than 2 kids because traveling could become a problem. Try to find the ones who live alone and don't have jobs. I offer dinner and drinks and dresses to sweeten the pot. The girls face fierce competition so the early bird gets the worm. I believe most of them would have fucked for free trying to lock me in for future dates and payment but I don't play that game. The tough part is ignoring their pleas for more.
At $11 a pop I will take them!
That's one of the things I love about you my friend!:D
Kool technique is very effective. That's because Kool knows the layout of Santo Domingo. He has years under his belt and a backup plan of Chica he has already dealt with and knows the deal. Your ability to speak Spanish will be a plus for you. We kool SP so I don't want you to slip without yo boi giving you the heads up. DC is good at meeting chicas. A lot of chicas use the sight as a full time job. Hustlin America prepping them for Western Union noviolization. Without any plans of actually meeting them or giving them attention. I learned from Mr E. While we both were in Santo Domingo setting up Chicas to come over. I was trying to set the times right so they wouldn't bump heads. Mr E said f* that the first group that gets here is how we operate. He was right when meeting new chicas. Even those chicas arrived the next day. Most chicas don't have a sense of timing. I have had plenty of Santo Domingo Chicas after spending long hours of conversation with them in the US not show up or be seriously late once I arrived. Importing chicas can also lead you stuck all day with ungratefuls. Asked Surfer. You said while in Medellin you haven't had the need to fish outside the city. Why we a lot of us fish outside of SD? To avoid the bull. This is why I say it you are used to Medellin style Santa Domingo may disappoint you. Prior planning prevents poor performance apply here. A backup plan for your backup plans backup plan also applies.For a moment I thought you guys were all strategizing for free pussy!
I would hope with all the planning and co-ordination, prepping, back up plans and synchronizing watches, y'all have all finally figured out how to pick up a hooker, and pay for sex.
If they're any newbies out there, Hey, it's not that complicated.
Bring money!
LOL.
What you get from planning is girlfriend for a few days. This translates into morning sex and DFK other things you do not want or can not get from a SW. Vacation time is expensive and precious. The Cupid girls are not free or cheap but they can be a very rich experience. I want a girl who is not having sex full time if possible. I use wasup and Skype to get a feel for the person. This can also create an excitement before meeting. Picking the right girl from cupid is the trick. I flirt and play with them. When they send me sexy pictures bingo. These are the ladies that go on my short list. The bottom line is it easy to find sex in the DR however getting a quality session takes a little time and effort. Casas are always there but the sex is boring to me. I will do SW in SD every now and then. Most SW can be engaged if you have a interest.
At the end of the day you want to find what satisfies your taste. There is no right or wrong. The longer you play the game the harder it is to be satisfied. What is a great time for a newby may not do any thing for me. So I keep trying to up my game. The hunt for me has become as much fun as the conquest.
For a moment I thought you guys were all strategizing for free pussy!
I would hope with all the planning and co-ordination, prepping, back up plans and synchronizing watches, y'all have all finally figured out how to pick up a hooker, and pay for sex.
If they're any newbies out there, Hey, it's not that complicated.
Bring money!
LOL.
For a moment I thought you guys were all strategizing for free pussy!
I would hope with all the planning and co-ordination, prepping, back up plans and synchronizing watches, y'all have all finally figured out how to pick up a hooker, and pay for sex.
If they're any newbies out there, Hey, it's not that complicated.
Bring money!
LOL.Indeed! Picking up a hooker in SD is not complicated. You can just go to the strip where they hang and make a choice. DC is an option because some people want the GFE. They want to meet a chica, develop a rapport, have things set and ready in motion for a more intimate relationship than wham, bam, thank you maam. DC, Tagged, Badoo, and others similar can offer that but not without their drawbacks.
I have just spent a month in Sosua and around the area, so feel relatively well qualified to report on the scene. I was here in December and preferred it, less chicks around but better quality. The atmosphere was also better and easier going.
Recently a guy posted here that there were thousands of chicks on any night in Sosua. This is nonsense! On an average night in Rumba Bar there are maybe 100 to 150 chicks, the majority of them are pretty average. Just came back from there tonight Sunday and the choice was pretty bad. Only Thursday and Friday night does it get really busy with a good availability of nice looking women. Anyway, I go to Rumba bar because it's where most of the action is, not because I like the place. I don't enjoy it either when they just play heavy New York urban rap constanly, not my kind of music really!
When I was here in April 2014 Rumba bar had some serious competition with D Latins, now it doesn't really. I remember women then in D Latins in general made an effort with the guys, dressed nicely, all wore high heels, and were as receptive to white guys as black guys. I know this is maybe a touchy subject but I prefer to be honest. So I don't know what has happened since then, either I have got a lot older and uglier (or the women just prefer New York black guys more now?) The scene there has definitely become more urban New York, and the women who go there seem to be into that and not much else. In Rumba bar nowdays the girls are much harder faced, most walk around in flat shoes or flip flops, and dress like they just stumbled back from the beach.
They expect to be approached rather that approach the guys. If they approach you chances are they are not great looking! They spend more time staring at their mobile phones than the guys. They seem to be more networked, gang like and wander in and out of Rumba bar. A few real lookers come in, ignore everyone except the group of guys from New York buying whisky and champagne. So something is going on and something has changed here anyway. Maybe the best looking chicks are more likely to be taken or booked up as it's the high season? Or maybe they are getting spoilt and can be more choosy as Sosua is getting busier as US visitors have increased because the US economy has picked up?
Anyway, they can do what they like, but many don't seem to be there just to make money from random guys anymore. There are also very few lighter skinned brunettes around compared to 2014, most are mulatta or black. I like to be with morenas, mulattas and black ladies. I have seen a lot less fresh looking freelancers on this trip than on my previous 4 trips to Sosua. There also more Haitian women here than before, and Haitian guys around too. The town in general and Rumba bar especially is also more dominated by black New York guys than before. I have no view on that and we get on just fine, just telling it like it is.
The service in Rumba bar is pretty bad, as the barmaids spend 80 % of their time serving the camarero's and not the client at the bar! They also spend ages filling out their stupid manual receipts which is a total waste of time. Merengue bar is a nicer place to be, however it is empty before around 11 pm, and tends to attract even less good looking and more hardened women than Rumba bar, especially early on in the evening.
You know the scene is not great, when you spend as much time checking out the women working in the stores, restaurants and hairdressers etc as the ones available in the chica bars! I want to take a chick back from the chica bars because she is so gorgeous I cannot resist her, not just pick the best one around because I need a shag! But honestly at the moment, the majority in Rumba bar are very average girls trying to dress sexy. Half the girls working in the Playero supermarket for example are better looking than they are!
I have never had a safety problem in Sosua, but feel I should report some incidents. I guess when you're here for a month, there is more chance you will have witnessed some things than if you're just around for a few days. Last Sunday night there was an argument between occupants of 2 cars at the intersection where Rumba bar is, where one car blocked off the other one. The guy got out of his car and started kicking and punching the other car, then went back to his car for a bottle and threw it at the other car. It smashed on the side of the car, and glass shattered and went over people sitting beside the hamburger kiosk across the street. Nobody was injured but still. The guys in the car being attacked drove off in a hurry! Tonight in Rumba bar there was a fight, people scattered and the security guys had to pull people apart. A girl was evicted. On Friday night when I was in Classico's nightclub it was raided by the police. People started to get nervous and I was afraid there would be a crush for the exit but I got out fine. I was a bit worried as I had no ID on me, but apparently they were just looking for Haitian women!? Of course throughout the whole month there has been the usual pointless routine of the cops trying to arrest women walking between the bars at night. Better to arrest the annoying motoconchos as far as I'm concerned, some of who pester me daily even though they have seen that I have never used one! Maybe all the Gringo's look the same to them?
A couple of weeks ago I went into Puerto Plata with Metro bus. Anyway, walked to La Sirena, had something to eat there, there walked along the Malecon and into the centre around the shops. There were some tourist police around who drove past on the malecon keeping an eye on me and other tourists, of which there were not many. Anyway, I walked through the centre around the shops then took the Caribe tours bus back from there. So I had no problems. However the next day I read on the internet that a 75 year old German tourist who was with a guide at the time, walking on the same street as me the following day, was shot and murdered by 2 guys on a motorbike for his gold chain! This really shocked me because firstly I felt safe there, and also because nobody warned me about that before I left, at my hotel or otherwise. But when I told people about this back in Soua they just shrugged their shoulders and said that was sad, but then said that Puerto Plata is really dangerous and there are loads of Ladrones around. So I could have been that guy who was murdered and nobody here would have blinked, and it made me think that just because a place feels safe, doesn't mean it is! The security guy where I'm staying also warned me not to ride a rental motorbike or scooter into Puerto Plata, as gangs may knock you off and steal your bike. So I will have to think again before casually just deciding to venture there for a day.
I have just spent a month in Sosua and around the area, so feel relatively well qualified to report on the scene. I was here in December and preferred it, less chicks around but better quality. The atmosphere was also better and easier going.
Recently a guy posted here that there were thousands of chicks on any night in Sosua. This is nonsense! On an average night in Rumba Bar there are maybe 100 to 150 chicks, the majority of them are pretty average. Just came back from there tonight Sunday and the choice was pretty bad. Only Thursday and Friday night does it get really busy with a good availability of nice looking women. Anyway, I go to Rumba bar because it's where most of the action is, not because I like the place. I don't enjoy it either when they just play heavy New York urban rap constanly, not my kind of music really!
When I was here in April 2014 Rumba bar had some serious competition with D Latins, now it doesn't really. I remember women then in D Latins in general made an effort with the guys, dressed nicely, all wore high heels, and were as receptive to white guys as black guys. I know this is maybe a touchy subject but I prefer to be honest. So I don't know what has happened since then, either I have got a lot older and uglier (or the women just prefer New York black guys more now?) The scene there has definitely become more urban New York, and the women who go there seem to be into that and not much else. In Rumba bar nowdays the girls are much harder faced, most walk around in flat shoes or flip flops, and dress like they just stumbled back from the beach.
They expect to be approached rather that approach the guys. If they approach you chances are they are not great looking! They spend more time staring at their mobile phones than the guys. They seem to be more networked, gang like and wander in and out of Rumba bar. A few real lookers come in, ignore everyone except the group of guys from New York buying whisky and champagne. So something is going on and something has changed here anyway. Maybe the best looking chicks are more likely to be taken or booked up as it's the high season? Or maybe they are getting spoilt and can be more choosy as Sosua is getting busier as US visitors have increased because the US economy has picked up?
Anyway, they can do what they like, but many don't seem to be there just to make money from random guys anymore. There are also very few lighter skinned brunettes around compared to 2014, most are mulatta or black. I like to be with morenas, mulattas and black ladies. I have seen a lot less fresh looking freelancers on this trip than on my previous 4 trips to Sosua. There also more Haitian women here than before, and Haitian guys around too. The town in general and Rumba bar especially is also more dominated by black New York guys than before. I have no view on that and we get on just fine, just telling it like it is.
The service in Rumba bar is pretty bad, as the barmaids spend 80 % of their time serving the camarero's and not the client at the bar! They also spend ages filling out their stupid manual receipts which is a total waste of time. Merengue bar is a nicer place to be, however it is empty before around 11 pm, and tends to attract even less good looking and more hardened women than Rumba bar, especially early on in the evening.
You know the scene is not great, when you spend as much time checking out the women working in the stores, restaurants and hairdressers etc as the ones available in the chica bars! I want to take a chick back from the chica bars because she is so gorgeous I cannot resist her, not just pick the best one around because I need a shag! But honestly at the moment, the majority in Rumba bar are very average girls trying to dress sexy. Half the girls working in the Playero supermarket for example are better looking than they are!
I have never had a safety problem in Sosua, but feel I should report some incidents. I guess when you're here for a month, there is more chance you will have witnessed some things than if you're just around for a few days. Last Sunday night there was an argument between occupants of 2 cars at the intersection where Rumba bar is, where one car blocked off the other one. The guy got out of his car and started kicking and punching the other car, then went back to his car for a bottle and threw it at the other car. It smashed on the side of the car, and glass shattered and went over people sitting beside the hamburger kiosk across the street. Nobody was injured but still. The guys in the car being attacked drove off in a hurry! Tonight in Rumba bar there was a fight, people scattered and the security guys had to pull people apart. A girl was evicted. On Friday night when I was in Classico's nightclub it was raided by the police. People started to get nervous and I was afraid there would be a crush for the exit but I got out fine. I was a bit worried as I had no ID on me, but apparently they were just looking for Haitian women!? Of course throughout the whole month there has been the usual pointless routine of the cops trying to arrest women walking between the bars at night. Better to arrest the annoying motoconchos as far as I'm concerned, some of who pester me daily even though they have seen that I have never used one! Maybe all the Gringo's look the same to them?
A couple of weeks ago I went into Puerto Plata with Metro bus. Anyway, walked to La Sirena, had something to eat there, there walked along the Malecon and into the centre around the shops. There were some tourist police around who drove past on the malecon keeping an eye on me and other tourists, of which there were not many. Anyway, I walked through the centre around the shops then took the Caribe tours bus back from there. So I had no problems. However the next day I read on the internet that a 75 year old German tourist who was with a guide at the time, walking on the same street as me the following day, was shot and murdered by 2 guys on a motorbike for his gold chain! This really shocked me because firstly I felt safe there, and also because nobody warned me about that before I left, at my hotel or otherwise. But when I told people about this back in Soua they just shrugged their shoulders and said that was sad, but then said that Puerto Plata is really dangerous and there are loads of Ladrones around. So I could have been that guy who was murdered and nobody here would have blinked, and it made me think that just because a place feels safe, doesn't mean it is! The security guy where I'm staying also warned me not to ride a rental motorbike or scooter into Puerto Plata, as gangs may knock you off and steal your bike. So I will have to think again before casually just deciding to venture there for a day.That's Sosua for you.
A detailed report, but you left out the best part, getting well laid.
The chicas in places like Rhumba like to party so that's what you get. An old white guy like me, who just wants to take them back to the room, fuck them, and fall asleep watching television in the afternoon, is not going to have the ones dressed to kill, lined up waiting for us :)
But seriously, as mentioned here often, Sosua has more to offer than Rhumba. For me personally I like the fun of the selection process, and I need a nice relatively quiet bar with a little local music, where I can have a conversation over a Presidente, before we get to the nitty gritty.
As always safe is what you make it, safe for some, not for others (a single tourist wandering around a big city is always a target) and the corner of Pedro Cilante with all the bars and competing women, is always a potential trouble spot. There's a fight every night.
Best check out the other bars, and keep an eye open for the locals in the stores, restaurants and hotels.
Good luck!
That's Sosua for you.
A detailed report, but you left out the best part, getting well laid.
The chicas in places like Rhumba like to party so that's what you get. An old white guy like me, who just wants to take them back to the room, fuck them, and fall asleep watching television in the afternoon, is not going to have the ones dressed to kill, lined up waiting for us :)
But seriously, as mentioned here often, Sosua has more to offer than Rhumba. For me personally I like the fun of the selection process, and I need a nice relatively quiet bar with a little local music, where I can have a conversation over a Presidente, before we get to the nitty gritty.
As always safe is what you make it, safe for some, not for others (a single tourist wandering around a big city is always a target) and the corner of Pedro Cilante with all the bars and competing women, is always a potential trouble spot. There's a fight every night.
Best check out the other bars, and keep an eye open for the locals in the stores, restaurants and hotels.
Good luck!Well yes, you can meet all kinds of chicas around Sosua and the surrounding area without going anywhere near Rumba Bar--as long as you speak a little Spanish, especially if you are staying around for more than a few days. By the way I believe the name of the bar is Rumba, not Rhumba. http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=2150&article=1.
I should also point out that Rumba is a prostitution bar. You do not have to spend any time or money there to get a girl. If you see one there you like, you can just walk in and invite her to leave with you. You do not even have to buy a drink. I shall have to write a book called "Ten Things They Will Not Tell You In Sosua".
Rumba is just a clip joint where naive visitors who cannot speak Spanish spend a lot of money buying drinks while they look at girls while they try to pluck up courage to take the plunge. I wish I owned Rumba bar.
Mr Enternational
02-29-16, 14:47
I should also point out that Rumba is a prostitution bar. You do not have to spend any time or money there to get a girl. If you see one there you like, you can just walk in and invite her to leave with you. You do not even have to buy a drink.I say the same about a lot of places on this planet. But it seems that guys like to live the fantasy of picking up a regular girl. They buy themselves and the girls drinks, call themselves doing interviews and vetting. Really no need for any of that. Just walk up to the girl you like and say let's go.
Well yes, you can meet all kinds of chicas around Sosua and the surrounding area without going anywhere near Rumba Bar--as long as you speak a little Spanish, especially if you are staying around for more than a few days. By the way I believe the name of the bar is Rumba, not Rhumba. http://www.sosuanews.com/index.php?id=2150&article=1.
I should also point out that Rumba is a prostitution bar. You do not have to spend any time or money there to get a girl. If you see one there you like, you can just walk in and invite her to leave with you. You do not even have to buy a drink. I shall have to write a book called "Ten Things They Will Not Tell You In Sosua". .If guys can't figure out Rumba is a "prostitution bar", I don't think your book is going to help them. :)
Rumba is just a clip joint where naive visitors who cannot speak Spanish spend a lot of money buying drinks while they look at girls while they try to pluck up courage to take the plunge. I wish I owned Rumba bar.I thought a clip joint was where they scammed you on the price of drinks, padded your bill, and stuff. Compared to the bars across the street, they are not so bad.
Charles Pooter
02-29-16, 15:03
A couple of weeks ago I went into Puerto Plata with Metro bus. Anyway, walked to La Sirena, had something to eat there, there walked along the Malecon and into the centre around the shops. There were some tourist police around who drove past on the malecon keeping an eye on me and other tourists, of which there were not many. Anyway, I walked through the centre around the shops then took the Caribe tours bus back from there. So I had no problems. However the next day I read on the internet that a 75 year old German tourist who was with a guide at the time, walking on the same street as me the following day, was shot and murdered by 2 guys on a motorbike for his gold chain! This really shocked me because firstly I felt safe there, and also because nobody warned me about that before I left, at my hotel or otherwise. But when I told people about this back in Sosua they just shrugged their shoulders and said that was sad, but then said that Puerto Plata is really dangerous and there are loads of Ladrones around. So I could have been that guy who was murdered and nobody here would have blinked, and it made me think that just because a place feels safe, doesn't mean it is! The security guy where I'm staying also warned me not to ride a rental motorbike or scooter into Puerto Plata, as gangs may knock you off and steal your bike. So I will have to think again before casually just deciding to venture there for a day.Good report, Coupe66.
I commend you for visiting Pto Pta for a day using public transport. How much does it cost by Caribe and Metro? That method is convenient for those following your itinerary, starting with La Sirena and ending up at the west end of the town centre, but for most purposes I would recommend using the publicos from the parada opposite Texaco in Sosua.
Each to his own, but I hope you will not discourage any one else from spending a day in Sosua. Guys on very short trips will not want to do so, but those like yourself who are here for two weeks or more might like a change of scenery. It is funny how you wrote that people in Sosua say that Pto Pta is dangerous, because Puertoplatenos say exactly the same about Sosua! I have lived in Pto Pta for six years, and three years part-time before that, and in my early years, locals were always warning me not to go to Sosua. I am old and feeble, and look it, but the only trouble I have had was walking in the small hours in a deserted dark lane where I had been repeatedly warned not to go. By luck, I escaped unscathed.
It is partly the traditional suspicion of, and rivalry between, neighbouring settlements among people in primitive societies, and partly a desire to keep all tourist expenditure within their own patch.
The murder of the German tourist was horrific, but exceptional, whereas there seems to be a steady trickle of murders of gringos in Sosua and Cabarete. Bad elements are attracted to where there is easy money, and the scum of the island arrives in Sosua for prostitution and the drug trade. Even so, there is minimal danger if you use common sense and the same applies to Pto Pta.
And, of course, if you are looking for a girlfriend, rather than instant paid sex, Pto Pta is far more promising than Sosua. There are eight times as many chicas (simply because the city is eight times as big) and a much lower proportion of them are full-time working girls. But for that you need some Spanish (or French for haitianas) and have to be here some time to build friendships.
Also to explore the barrios of Pto Pta properly and economically you need to be willing to ride the motoconchos. It is the only way to get around. I commend you for walking (rare activity for an American) but that is hard and sweaty work from April through November.
I say the same about a lot of places on this planet. But it seems that guys like to live the fantasy of picking up a regular girl. They buy themselves and the girls drinks, call themselves doing interviews and vetting. Really no need for any of that. Just walk up to the girl you like and say let's go.Nothing wrong with that if that's your thing, but don't complain here if you wind up with a drama queen, and she calls the cops on you.
Newbies take note!
I have just spent a month in Sosua and around the area, so feel relatively well qualified to report on the scene. I was here in December and preferred it, less chicks around but better quality. The atmosphere was also better and easier going.
Recently a guy posted here that there were thousands of chicks on any night in Sosua. This is nonsense! On an average night in Rumba Bar there are maybe 100 to 150 chicks, the majority of them are pretty average. Just came back from there tonight Sunday and the choice was pretty bad. Only Thursday and Friday night does it get really busy with a good availability of nice looking women. Anyway, I go to Rumba bar because it's where most of the action is, not because I like the place. I don't enjoy it either when they just play heavy New York urban rap constanly, not my kind of music really!
They expect to be approached rather that approach the guys. If they approach you chances are they are not great looking! They spend more time staring at their mobile phones than the guys. They seem to be more networked, gang like and wander in and out of Rumba bar. A few real lookers come in, ignore everyone except the group of guys from New York buying whisky and champagne. So something is going on and something has changed here anyway. Maybe the best looking chicks are more likely to be taken or booked up as it's the high season? Or maybe they are getting spoilt and can be more choosy as Sosua is getting busier as US visitors have increased because the US economy has picked up?
Anyway, they can do what they like, but many don't seem to be there just to make money from random guys anymore. There are also very few lighter skinned brunettes around compared to 2014, most are mulatta or black. I like to be with morenas, mulattas and black ladies. I have seen a lot less fresh looking freelancers on this trip than on my previous 4 trips to Sosua. There also more Haitian women here than before, and Haitian guys around too. The town in general and Rumba bar especially is also more dominated by black New York guys than before. I have no view on that and we get on just fine, just telling it like it is.
You know the scene is not great, when you spend as much time checking out the women working in the stores, restaurants and hairdressers etc as the ones available in the chica bars! I want to take a chick back from the chica bars because she is so gorgeous I cannot resist her, not just pick the best one around because I need a shag! But honestly at the moment, the majority in Rumba bar are very average girls trying to dress sexy. Half the girls working in the Playero supermarket for example are better looking than they are!
.Coupe66 I like the honesty prospective of your report. I don't like fishing in Rumbas. The New York players have change the seen more in their favor. Even the music in both Classico and Rumbas shows that. For the last 1 1/2 year they have been playing the same NY hip hop music in the same rotation. I would have signs saying the DJ sucks if there wasn't pussy around to keep occupied. Olkool said a good quote for those of us who go to Sosua a lot "The longer you play the game the harder it is to be satisfied".
Coupe66 I like the honesty prospective of your report. I don't like fishing in Rumbas. The New York players have change the seen more in their favor. Even the music in both Classico and Rumbas shows that. For the last 1 1/2 year they have been playing the same NY hip hop music in the same rotation. I would have signs saying the DJ sucks if there wasn't pussy around to keep occupied. Olkool said a good quote for those of us who go to Sosua a lot "The longer you play the game the harder it is to be satisfied".That's why we explore other places, it's a big island. Good report Coupe and thanks but a month in Sosua will produce the same perspective you have. Everything becomes repetitive and you start noticing things weekend warriors never see. The negativity comes to the surface as you get bored. Coupe expanded on some things some of us have been talking about for the last few years. The SD girls get clicked up and head to Sosua with 3 sets of clothes and stay 4 in a one bedroom apartment and go to work. The days of girls from Montellano / Puerto plata / La Union getting dressed up and arriving in Sosua with new hairdos are long gone. Everything is instant now, but we are to blame.
Guys wanted an instant fuck for the same price that they were paying for over nights. Guys didn't want to interact with the girls outside of the bedroom. Guys don't care about the culture or people they just want to hump pretty girls for an hour and kick them out. Well eat your stew fellas, this is the new Sosua.
I get tired of Sosua in about the 4 days, how did Coupe stay a whole month? Next time bro go sample other places, you seem like an adventurous guy.
Rumbas has always been a dump to me. I walk through just to show my face and head to the outer bars. Rumba is crowded, hardcore with no ambiance. I'm surprised guys don't go after the bartenders at Merengue and other spots, they are available. Oh! That's right guys want instant and don't want to spend time on a girl who has a job and might require a lunch date to pull.
Again, thanks for reporting back Coupe.
I say the same about a lot of places on this planet. But it seems that guys like to live the fantasy of picking up a regular girl. They buy themselves and the girls drinks, call themselves doing interviews and vetting. Really no need for any of that. Just walk up to the girl you like and say let's go.For once I totally agree with you.
I have just spent a month in Sosua and around the area, so feel relatively well qualified to report on the scene. I was here in December and preferred it, less chicks around but better quality. The atmosphere was also better and easier going.
A couple of weeks ago I went into Puerto Plata with Metro bus. Anyway, walked to La Sirena, had something to eat there, there walked along the Malecon and into the centre around the shops. There were some tourist police around who drove past on the malecon keeping an eye on me and other tourists, of which there were not many. Anyway, I walked through the centre around the shops then took the Caribe tours bus back from there. So I had no problems. However the next day I read on the internet that a 75 year old German tourist who was with a guide at the time, walking on the same street as me the following day, was shot and murdered by 2 guys on a motorbike for his gold chain! This really shocked me because firstly I felt safe there, and also because nobody warned me about that before I left, at my hotel or otherwise. But when I told people about this back in Soua they just shrugged their shoulders and said that was sad, but then said that Puerto Plata is really dangerous and there are loads of Ladrones around. So I could have been that guy who was murdered and nobody here would have blinked, and it made me think that just because a place feels safe, doesn't mean it is! The security guy where I'm staying also warned me not to ride a rental motorbike or scooter into Puerto Plata, as gangs may knock you off and steal your bike. So I will have to think again before casually just deciding to venture there for a day.I am in Puerto Plata right now. I am here because I like to take long walks in the mornings and late afternoons on malecon and beach. It is quite, clean and there is always a nice breeze. La sirena is very convenient. I did not have any problems so far during my several visits. There is always a risk when we travel abroad. We have to be cautious and be aware of our surroundings. We have to use common sense. I was told before that some guys snatched the gold chain from a Canadian tourist's neck when he was walking on malecon at night. One should not wear expensive jewelry because it may attrack attention and invite the thiefs.
Charles Pooter
02-29-16, 22:05
... I hope you will not discourage any one else from spending a day in Sosua. Oops! What I meant to write was "... I hope your post will not discourage anyone staying in Sosua from spending a day in Puerto Plata". Sorry!
I thought a clip joint was where they scammed you on the price of drinks, padded your bill, and stuff. Compared to the bars across the street, they are not so bad.Yes, I am using the term rather figuratively in the sense that it makes a lot of money out of guys buying drinks for girls rather unnecessarily, perhaps because they feel they ought to, or because they think it makes them look "cool". Since I don't often drink alcohol myself, I tend to regard all bars as a scam, or at least a waste of money, especially a place like Rumba. The only reason I would go there would be to get a girl, and I could get the girl without buying a drink or trying to put up with the music.
That's why we explore other places, it's a big island. Good report Coupe and thanks but a month in Sosua will produce the same perspective you have. Everything becomes repetitive and you start noticing things weekend warriors never see. The negativity comes to the surface as you get bored. Coupe expanded on some things some of us have been talking about for the last few years. The SD girls get clicked up and head to Sosua with 3 sets of clothes and stay 4 in a one bedroom apartment and go to work. The days of girls from Montellano / Puerto plata / La Union getting dressed up and arriving in Sosua with new hairdos are long gone. Everything is instant now, but we are to blame.
Guys wanted an instant fuck for the same price that they were paying for over nights. Guys didn't want to interact with the girls outside of the bedroom. Guys don't care about the culture or people they just want to hump pretty girls for an hour and kick them out. Well eat your stew fellas, this is the new Sosua.
I get tired of Sosua in about the 4 days, how did Coupe stay a whole month? Next time bro go sample other places, you seem like an adventurous guy.
Rumbas has always been a dump to me. I walk through just to show my face and head to the outer bars. Rumba is crowded, hardcore with no ambiance. I'm surprised guys don't go after the bartenders at Merengue and other spots, they are available. Oh! That's right guys want instant and don't want to spend time on a girl who has a job and might require a lunch date to pull.
Again, thanks for reporting back Coupe.I agree with this thought up to a point. Most guys that travel only have a limited amount of time, so it comes down to time vs. Money. If I was already retired and had time. I would go to Sosua and use my wingman there to travel to the small towns to meet non pros and put some time in, which would save me some money in the long run. However if time is limited you want to bust a many nuts on as many women you can get a hold of for the least amount of money and time.
l The days of girls from Montellano / Puerto plata / La Union getting dressed up and arriving in Sosua with new hairdos are long gone. Everything is instant now, but we are to blame.Oh, the negativity! Speak for yourself!
In December, I was in Sosua and later Cabarette. I was in heaven. I had my regular who still does everything for me, her friend the barrista who keeps me turned on, and a knockout chica my buddy met online and her hot mother. All had gone to great lengths to spruce up! Took hours!
Me and 4 "normal" ladies. No putas! We finished up inviting a couple guys who kept looking over at the fun we were having (with proper and due respect).
Sosua is great!
I can hardly believe this is the same Mr GG who, with a couple more guys here, actually opened me up to Sosua!
Yes, I am using the term rather figuratively in the sense that it makes a lot of money out of guys buying drinks for girls rather unnecessarily, perhaps because they feel they ought to, or because they think it makes them look "cool". Since I don't often drink alcohol myself, I tend to regard all bars as a scam, or at least a waste of money, especially a place like Rumba. The only reason I would go there would be to get a girl, and I could get the girl without buying a drink or trying to put up with the music.Thanks for the clarification. I know this board is getting old and stale, but let's not translate that negativity to Sosua, a geographical location where an old guy can meet the chica with the body of his dreams, and bed her in a New York Minute!
For some of you guys, it's either spending all your money in a bar in some fanatsy trying to impress a puta with your charm, or taking the first puta you see, right off the street.
Flash!
It doesn't have to be that way, there is some middle ground for a punter, in fact there's enough "grey area" to satisfy anybody's preferences. Stop projecting your negative shit on everybody.
Young putas come and go, and old jaded mongers come and go, but the show goes on!
Maybe we need another forum - "The best of Sosua", and re-name this one - "Jaded Sosua".
Guys who cant handle Sosua and complain all the time should really just stay home :)
Oh, the negativity!
In December, I was in Sosua and later Cabarette. I was in heaven. I had my regular who still does everything for me, her friend the barrista who keeps me turned on, and a knockout chica my buddy met online and her hot mother. All had gone to great lengths to spruce up! Took hours!
Me and 4 "normal" ladies. No putas! We finished up inviting a couple guys who kept looking over at the fun we were having (with proper and due respect).
Sosua is great!
I can hardly believe this is the same Mr GG who, with a couple more guys here, actually opened me up to Sosua!Damn you got the mother putting in her good dentures and new wig for a night out with the gringo LOL? I'm sure they look forward to your visits.
Tempoecorto
03-01-16, 01:36
For once I totally agree with you.Well, hang on! While in general I agree with what you and Mr. E is saying (perhaps even Oakie), a little conversation, prior to "let's go" may attenuate a few of the issues that people worry about, including unsatisfactory performance. Towards that, a conversation, granted that for most, it is impossible, unless the girls speak English (which then would be a huge tell tale), might help.
Thanks for the clarification. I know this board is getting old and stale, but let's not translate that negativity to Sosua, a geographical location where an old guy can meet the chica with the body of his dreams, and bed her in a New York Minute!
For some of you guys, it's either spending all your money in a bar in some fanatsy trying to impress a puta with your charm, or taking the first puta you see, right off the street.
Flash!
It doesn't have to be that way, there is some middle ground for a punter, in fact there's enough "grey area" to satisfy anybody's preferences. Stop projecting your negative shit on everybody.
Young putas come and go, and old jaded mongers come and go, but the show goes on!
Maybe we need another forum - "The best of Sosua", and re-name this one - "Jaded Sosua".
Guys who cant handle Sosua and complain all the time should really just stay home :)Well, quite. It doesn't matter what the bars are like, because if you can find one beautiful and charming young woman who is happy to spend time with you and fulfill all your sexual fantasies, it does not matter at all if the other 99 per cent are fat and ugly. Within some limits, you can find anything you want in Sosua if you seek hard enough. My friend who has lived in Sosua for some years meets most of his girl friends in church.
I am actually pleasantly surprised by the reaction to my realistic report.
I have had some great sessions here too over the last month, I'll report on those when I am more in the mood Oakie, I promise! You are right that over a month you will get bored sometimes, and see more of the negative things. But when I was here in December I stayed for 2 weeks, when I got home I felt I hadn't got my fix of Sosua so wanted to to come back for more. Booked a condo for a month, as this was only slightly costlier than for 2 weeks. Figured that if I left after 3 weeks I would still have saved money. But tomorrow will be a month, and on the whole I have had a great time. Heading back for a few days in Santo Domingo before my flight home. Have lined up a few chicks there that have met in Sosua in the past and online. Hope I will still have the energy for them after a month here!
Apart from the chica's, have obviously enjoyed the weather and all the great food which I haven't had to cook for myself! Have broken up my trip with a few excursions to Puerto Plata and Cabarete. Rented a scooter twice. Just getting out of the walkable area of Sosua and a bit further afield is fun and an eye opener. Second time I rented it got as far as just past the airport to the west and to past Cabarete to the east. Didn't really feel safe enough as an inexperienced rider to go further on a scooter. Weather was also not great on those days. Got totally saturated on the way back from Cabarete, but looking back it was great fun! Actually doesn't take much rain to get wet when you're in jeans and a t shirt! By the way, if I had to stay in Cabarete for a month, I would definitely go crazy and be bored to death as it just a seaside resort with no discernible action.
Anyway, I wanted to see how I felt over a month here, if it would be somewhere I would want to live or not. It wouldn't, but I would come back for a shorter trip next time. Hopefully in a year or so the New York crew will not have totally taken over the town and turned it into Brooklyn or the Bronx (very) south! I hope I can trust you guys to give me an honest answer about that before my next visit!
By the way, I've been here 4 or 5 times, and this time is the first I have ever seen any fights here. In my last report a few weeks back I did say I found the atmosphere more volatile than before, so I was not surprised by the things I saw. Or is this how things are in February?
Frannie, isn't the owner of Rumba bar the American guy who looks like an old Hell's angel, always with his shades on? He used to be part owner of Morua Mai restaurant a few years ago. Haven't seen him around for a few weeks though. There a few women who come in to Rumba who might as well have 'Fuck off' tattooed on their forehead, they do not check out the punters and must be there to meet specific guys. I assume they have some reason to be there? I wouldn't say they are available, not to me anyway! Wouldn't want them either!
Charles Pooter, what I did was buy a ticket with Metro to Santiago as they won't sell you one to Puerto Plata for some stupid reason, then just don't get on the other bus to Santiago, simple. Don't tell them that is your plan though! Costs maybe slightly more, but then you don't have to get a motoconcho to the Caribe tours bus in Charamico. Can't come back with Metro though, the only option is Caribe tours (or local bus or taxi obviously).
I don't want to put people off going to Puerto Plata, I am just stating what happened and the casual reaction I got from some people about this. Yes, big cities are dangerous, but your chances of this happening to you in an average European city are practically nothing! Getting robbed, maybe, but getting shot twice and killed for a necklace, doesn't happen. And Puerto Plata is a small city, it's not comparable to New York or London for example. Anyway, I was reading yesterday on another website that apparently they caught one of the bandits and the other one was killed in a shootout with the cops, if I understand what happened correctly. Like I said, I felt perfectly safe there, there was no bad atmosphere, nobody gave me dirty looks or anything. But this still happened regardless on the same street I was on, the following day that I was there.
Most tourists seem happy to walk around Sosua at night these days (more so than on my previous trips here), even out of the centre. So it must be pretty safe here, and if locals attack tourists walking in Sosua, they will be biting the hand that feeds.
On a more positive note, when I did the same trip to Puerto Plata in December I went into this small Pizzeria for a bottle of water on my way to the Caribe tours bus to come back. A seriously gorgeous woman working there took an unusual amount of interest in me, ie where are you from, when are you coming back etc, Unfortunately I had to run for the bus. So this time I went back there but the shutters were down, I asked a policeman on the corner but he reckoned it was out of business, What a pity, I will never see her again! That reminds me of another point, you have to take your chances when they come here! Just yesterday Sunday I stopped by Rumba bar around 6 pm, there were a couple of nice looking chicas there I fancied that had never seen there before. Didn't have any funds on me though. By the time I went back to my condo, got cleaned up and brought back some cash by 7 pm they were gone. So, just be prepared because you might meet the chica you like anywhere, anytime!
GrownMan1, I like all kinds of music, so if I think the heavy rap music often heard in Rumba bar sucks, then it must be pretty bad! I seriously think the music there has actually put me off my game and the women in there some nights, simply by having put me in a crappy mood!
Mr Gogo, have the type of chicks, their demeanor and dress sense changed that much since April 2014 ? What explains the change from 80 % wearing high heels in April 2014 to 20 % now? Because that's when I said the Latins was so good. I think it has as much to do with the difference in the bars (between the Latins and Rumbar bar) and the atmosphere and type of men and available women they attract. By the way I wouldn't go for the bartenders in Merengue, they are too lazy and not great looking on my opinion either! The bar on the corner opposite merengue (the only bar with a decent sidewalk in front of it!) has some very tasty looking bar staff, any idea if they are available?
Another thing I have noticed here is that women do not last very long in Sosua, or they don't come here for extended periods anyway. I only recognise a few women here now who were also here in April 2014. One who was the queen bee in the Latins then, now wanders from one bar to another alone and never seems to be with a guy. How times change!
Mr Enternational
03-01-16, 06:22
Well, hang on! While in general I agree with what you and Mr. E is saying (perhaps even Oakie), a little conversation, prior to "let's go" may attenuate a few of the issues that people worry about, including unsatisfactory performance. IMHO and experience it does not matter one iota. How many times has a girl told a guy everything he wants to hear then when they get behind closed doors he finds out she was full of shit? Nobody goes to a job interview with the intention of being honest. You go there to say what is needed in order to get the job. Then once you have landed the job you go back to acting an ass. Being late. Doing the task when you feel like it. Etc. Why care about being fired when there is unemployment insurance? And in the case of a Sosua hooker, I am going to the police if you don't pay me anyway insurance.
I would say that it is just like praying. Things work out for you the same percentage whether you prayed about it or not. You will also have about the same success rate with the hookers whether you "screened" them or not. No more and no less.
Mr. GoGo is dead on with his technique on DC. We have never discussed the issue, but his methods on DC are identical to mine and he probably has more success. Newbies take notes. He is kicking real knowledge in your ear.
IMHO and experience it does not matter one iota. How many times has a girl told a guy everything he wants to hear then when they get behind closed doors he finds out she was full of shit? Nobody goes to a job interview with the intention of being honest. You go there to say what is needed in order to get the job. Then once you have landed the job you go back to acting an ass. Being late. Doing the task when you feel like it. Etc. Why care about being fired when there is unemployment insurance? And in the case of a Sosua hooker, I am going to the police if you don't pay me anyway insurance.
I would say that it is just like praying. Things work out for you the same percentage whether you prayed about it or not. You will also have about the same success rate with the hookers whether you "screened" them or not. No more and no less.I look for better odds than that and have been almost completely successful. In 8 years I had only one flip on me, and that was one who was so hot, I used your Let's go NOW method. Cost me an extra 400 p to get rid of her. I posted that story here.
Since then, I'm a little more choosy about who I exchange my bodily fluids with, and since then the success rate is 100% satisfaction. No big "interviews" like some here (one reported he met one 3 times over 2 days, even bought her a meal and still didn't take her, and both he and she left pissed off.)
I'm in the bar having a beer anyway, there's cost and there's no hurry, and I don't waste their time.
But hey!, everybody does what works for them. There's no rule book.
E I think your are a little reckless. There are some bad girls out there and you need to take a little time to see what you are working with. When you get bad attitude up front or is she in a big hurry. There are definitely warning signs if you pay attention. I really do not want problems and I am not in a hurry. I dance and chat if this does not go well I move on. Also I have a zero tolerance in the interview stage. If chica does anything I do not like it is next.
I look for better odds than that and have been almost completely successful. In 8 years I had only one flip on me, and that was one who was so hot, I used your Let's go NOW method. Cost me an extra 400 p to get rid of her. I posted that story here.
Since then, I'm a little more choosy about who I exchange my bodily fluids with, and since then the success rate is 100% satisfaction. No big "interviews" like some here (one reported he met one 3 times over 2 days, even bought her a meal and still didn't take her, and both he and she left pissed off.)
I'm in the bar having a beer anyway, there's no hurry, and I don't waste their time.
But hey!, everybody does what works for them. There's no rule book.
What bugs me are those who preach whats good for everybody else. "Schooling" newbies and "Best Practices" they call it.
Well, hang on! While in general I agree with what you and Mr. E is saying (perhaps even Oakie), a little conversation, prior to "let's go" may attenuate a few of the issues that people worry about, including unsatisfactory performance. Towards that, a conversation, granted that for most, it is impossible, unless the girls speak English (which then would be a huge tell tale), might help.You can go from the original bar and talk to them somewhere else, or even in the street, or on the way to the hotel, or whatever. I agree that a bit of chit chat helps to establish rapport and mutual trust. But what I am saying is that you don't have to spend hours hanging around a bar spending money and listening to a lot of noise if you want a girl from a bar. She has gone to that bar because it is a place where she can meet men, not because she wants to go dancing with her friends. She may well hate the bar.
You can go from the original bar and talk to them somewhere else, or even in the street, or on the way to the hotel, or whatever. I agree that a bit of chit chat helps to establish rapport and mutual trust. But what I am saying is that you don't have to spend hours hanging around a bar spending money and listening to a lot of noise if you want a girl from a bar. She has gone to that bar because it is a place where she can meet men, not because she wants to go dancing with her friends. She may well hate the bar.You underestimate the chicas. Either that or you are stereotyping.
Aside from the depressing low scale street hookers, some of them do also like to have a good time, drink and party, and some are not all that smart, even sometimes forget, or get talked out of their fee. I've seen it happen.
It has happened mostly with thew NJ crowd that love to party down there, and I've been joking with them for years (I have a slight NJ connection), "Hey you are only allowed two at a time". Or "You are supposed to pay them at least once a week", and they love it. So do the chicas.
It's the jaded old mongers that sit at the bar with a miserable face with one hand in their pocket counting their money who mostly complain.
Damn you got the mother putting in her good dentures and new wig for a night out with the gringo LOL? I'm sure they look forward to your visits.LOL.
Actually, the chica and her mom were only there to impress me to tell my well heeled buddy (who couldn't make the trip) how hot and cooperative they were and ready for him next time.
Then my regular and her barrista friend go back a long way and will not do a threesome for me, at any price, so my evening ended as usual with me and my regular, and another guy chipping in with a drink or two, for the table.
Things aren't always what they seem to be, sigh!, but we did have a good time, and my absent buddy was taking care of the bill and propinas for all. Damn right they were happy to see me!
(I can't imagine being a non-drinker in Sosua, and actually being serious about this shit)
LOL.
Actually, the chica and her mom were only there to impress me to tell my well heeled buddy (who couldn't make the trip) how hot and cooperative they were and ready for him next time.
Then my regular and her barrista friend go back a long way and will not do a threesome for me, at any price, so my evening ended as usual with me and my regular, and another guy chipping in with a drink or two, for the table.
Things aren't always what they seem to be, sigh!, but we did have a good time, and my absent buddy was taking care of the bill and propinas for all. Damn right they were happy to see me.
I can't imagine being a non-drinker in Sosua, and actually being serious about this shit.I like that Oakie. But don't get upset when us old salts talk about the old Sosua and compare it to what's going on today. You will be doing it in ten years as Sosua will go through many changes and you reminisce about the good times you had. I find myself listening to the old Motown songs on satellite radio because I can't relate to the noise (I don't call it music) that is new today. My last Sosua report from October was about me having a ball in Sosua, so it still has value but Coupes report touched on some changes that warranted discussion.
E I think your are a little reckless. There are some bad girls out there and you need to take a little time to see what you are working with. When you get bad attitude up front or is she in a big hurry. There are definitely warning signs if you pay attention. I really do not want problems and I am not in a hurry. I dance and chat if this does not go well I move on. Also I have a zero tolerance in the interview stage. If chica does anything I do not like it is next.NEXT! Is the magic word in Sosua, and you hit it.
I know we pi.. each off from time to time, but as long as we are honest with each other, it works out!
Oh, the negativity! Speak for yourself!
In December, I was in Sosua and later Cabarette. I was in heaven. I had my regular who still does everything for me, her friend the barrista who keeps me turned on, and a knockout chica my buddy met online and her hot mother. All had gone to great lengths to spruce up! Took hours!
Me and 4 "normal" ladies. No putas! We finished up inviting a couple guys who kept looking over at the fun we were having (with proper and due respect).
Sosua is great!
I can hardly believe this is the same Mr GG who, with a couple more guys here, actually opened me up to Sosua!Oakie you are on something and I am going to put my dog Mr. G on full blast. Mr. E came to the DR Superbowl weekend with the intentions of 1). Hitting Venezuela Ave in full force with gators on is feet and ciroc in his hand. 2). Hitting LR with us after Superbowl. Guess what happen. Saturday night we got off track with Mr. G imports of SP and Mr. E called one of his chicas who brought a friend for one of the newbies. The next day was the SB party. No one planned on going any where after the game. We went to GBP but it was so late it was close. We found ourselves riding around. Where did we end up? Venezuela Ave with the newbies in shorts and tank tops. Totally unprepared. Mr. E who drove us there and had send his date home after the SB party was a little ticked. First of all its Sunday not Saturday and his gear was in Hotel. He didn't have time to change nor the newbies. Venezuela vibe was the same as last time with less chicas. I will say it again. Venezuela Ave is not a good place to monger. 5 of us and no one score off the scene. I am done with that scene. 100 pesos for a small bottle of water.
The next day Mr. G decides he wants to go to Sosua. Both Mr. E and I said fuck that! Sosua on a Monday after SB weekend. Hell naw! I thinking those ticks (that's right ticks) are so fat from the money they made over charging the weekend warriors, most went home except for the hardcores. Gogo had a hair up his ass for Sosua. Mr. E said he was going home before he goes to Sosua! It was Gogo Brady's call. What was the play Sosua. Yes fellow mongers Brady jumped ship and broke up the team. Talking about Sosua is calling him. Mr. E went home. Hell he is going to Medellin on Thursday anyway. Grownman stayed in BC. Brady decided he will stay in BC one day with GM. Come Tuesday Brady decides to change up again and go to the tourist town outside of LR. (read the report) Mr. E was gone and he had chicas set up for us in the area. GM was done! Shady Brady shuffling in the back field killed my vibe.
Guess what? Brady really don't like punches in bunches. He is really not a Sosua man. He may disagree with me but he know a make it my thing to read people. Mr. G is a GFE type of dude. If he has to pick a chica after 11:30 pm he will pass. He did it in Cuba twice and the DR all the time. He is the lets meet, eat, drink, and do our thing for a few days. He wants a rapport with his chicas. I saw and heard him trying to convince the newbies to this method. He was getting frustrated because the newbies where rabbits. They could barely sit still at the SB party.
After he returned from his solo adventure and we drove around outside of the strip, he now see the more treasures of SP, LR and BC. A nice hotel away from the scene and an all day chica for him is his MO. Remember Brady, I called for SP when we first decides on the south coast. Things didn't go as planned but you still my Ninja.
E I think your are a little reckless.Mr. E not reckless he is just well traveled. He speaks 4 different languages. He been all over the globe. He can handle himself where most of us fail. You should have seen him handle the police in SD. He aggressively got them of his back and them droved over and helped us out. If it wasn't for him we all may have gave up money to the cops. Mr. G already had his wallet opened.
Mr. E not reckless he is just well traveled. He speaks 4 different languages. He been all over the globe. He can handle himself where most of us fail. You should have seen him handle the police in SD. He aggressively got them of his back and them droved over and helped us out. If it wasn't for him we all may have gave up money to the cops. Mr. G already had his wallet opened.So true, I don't have time to argue with cops. I just hand them 50 pesos and keep it moving. It's like paying a toll to me. Mr E will argue with a self service toll if he thought it was charging 50 pesos too much LOL.
Oakie you are on something and I am going to put my dog Mr. G on full blast. Mr. E came to the DR Superbowl weekend with the intentions of 1). Hitting Venezuela Ave in full force with gators on is feet and ciroc in his hand. 2). Hitting LR with us after Superbowl. Guess what happen. Saturday night we got off track with Mr. G imports of SP and Mr. E called one of his chicas who brought a friend for one of the newbies. The next day was the SB party. No one planned on going any where after the game. We went to GBP but it was so late it was close. We found ourselves riding around. Where did we end up? Venezuela Ave with the newbies in shorts and tank tops. Totally unprepared. Mr. E who drove us there and had send his date home after the SB party was a little ticked. First of all its Sunday not Saturday and his gear was in Hotel. He didn't have time to change nor the newbies. Venezuela vibe was the same as last time with less chicas. I will say it again. Venezuela Ave is not a good place to monger. 5 of us and no one score off the scene. I am done with that scene. 100 pesos for a small bottle of water..Four days of hotel hopping and showing the newbies around made me feel like a homeless gupsy on vacation. We all took hits for the team and had a great time, but I wanted to fully unpack and settle in somewhere for at least 3-5 days. The trip to the east side of the island had the makings of a gigantic cluster fuck. First, Mr E gets lost in SD every time we go there and now we were going to new territory. I can see E passing the same spot repeatedly in circles as he tries to convince us that we are not lost LOL. Then we couldn't agree on what city to do: GM wanted La Romana, I wanted Bayahibe and E wanted Higuey. Plus we were going on a Monday and Tuesday, arguably the worst days of the week to go. Plus if the trip is a complete failure all of why'all would spend the next six months complaining how Gogo took everyone on a wild goose chase. I was off to Sosua Monday morning but GM asked me to stay one day which threw my plans off. I wasn't going to waste my trip without seeing Bayahibe so off I went. Nice, small, quiet beach town (Read my report in the Gogo forum) but I still hadn't fully unpacked my suitcase. So when we set up in the spot and I saw the layout of the place I said " this is home for the rest of my trip". It was a refreshing calm that I needed after running wild for five days. It wasn't nothing personal against you guys but it didn't feel right. Plus I wanted to lay up and play house with a couple girls LOL.
Manizales911
03-01-16, 21:32
I am in Puerto Plata right now. I am here because I like to take long walks in the mornings and late afternoons on malecon and beach. It is quite, clean and there is always a nice breeze. La sirena is very convenient. I did not have any problems so far during my several visits. There is always a risk when we travel abroad. We have to be cautious and be aware of our surroundings. We have to use common sense. I was told before that some guys snatched the gold chain from a Canadian tourist's neck when he was walking on malecon at night. One should not wear expensive jewelry because it may attrack attention and invite the thiefs.The guy that got shot on the malecon was a German. Supposedly he refused to hand over the gold chain so they shot him. The Canadian couple were robbed over in Atlantica, which depending on exactly where he was is not a good place for a tourist to be.
BigTimeFun
03-01-16, 23:35
Oakie you are on something and I am going to put my dog Mr. G on full blast. Mr. E came to the DR Superbowl weekend with the intentions of 1). Hitting Venezuela Ave in full force with gators on is feet and ciroc in his hand. 2). Hitting LR with us after Superbowl. Guess what happen. Saturday night we got off track with Mr. G imports of SP and Mr. E called one of his chicas who brought a friend for one of the newbies. The next day was the SB party. No one planned on going any where after the game. We went to GBP but it was so late it was close. We found ourselves riding around. Where did we end up? Venezuela Ave with the newbies in shorts and tank tops. Totally unprepared. Mr. E who drove us there and had send his date home after the SB party was a little ticked. First of all its Sunday not Saturday and his gear was in Hotel. He didn't have time to change nor the newbies. Venezuela vibe was the same as last time with less chicas. I will say it again. Venezuela Ave is not a good place to monger. 5 of us and no one score off the scene. I am done with that scene. 100 pesos for a small bottle of water.
The next day Mr. G decides he wants to go to Sosua. Both Mr. E and I said fuck that! Sosua on a Monday after SB weekend. Hell naw! I thinking those ticks (that's right ticks) are so fat from the money they made over charging the weekend warriors, most went home except for the hardcores. Gogo had a hair up his ass for Sosua. Mr. E said he was going home before he goes to Sosua! It was Gogo Brady's call. What was the play Sosua. Yes fellow mongers Brady jumped ship and broke up the team. Talking about Sosua is calling him. Mr. E went home. Hell he is going to Medellin on Thursday anyway. Grownman stayed in BC. Brady decided he will stay in BC one day with GM. Come Tuesday Brady decides to change up again and go to the tourist town outside of LR. (read the report) Mr. E was gone and he had chicas set up for us in the area. GM was done! Shady Brady shuffling in the back field killed my vibe.
Guess what? Brady really don't like punches in bunches. He is really not a Sosua man. He may disagree with me but he know a make it my thing to read people. Mr. G is a GFE type of dude. If he has to pick a chica after 11:30 pm he will pass. He did it in Cuba twice and the DR all the time. He is the lets meet, eat, drink, and do our thing for a few days. He wants a rapport with his chicas. I saw and heard him trying to convince the newbies to this method. He was getting frustrated because the newbies where rabbits. They could barely sit still at the SB party.
After he returned from his solo adventure and we drove around outside of the strip, he now see the more treasures of SP, LR and BC. A nice hotel away from the scene and an all day chica for him is his MO. Remember Brady, I called for SP when we first decides on the south coast. Things didn't go as planned but you still my Ninja.FYI I was there the Monday after Super Bowl and had great experiences that week. I am a believer in screening and it seems to works for me.
Oakie you are on something and I am going to put my dog Mr. G on full blast. Mr. E came to the DR Superbowl weekend with the intentions of 1). Hitting Venezuela Ave in full force with gators on is feet and ciroc in his hand. 2). Hitting LR with us after Superbowl. Guess what happen. Saturday night we got off track with Mr. G imports of SP and Mr. E called one of his chicas who brought a friend for one of the newbies. The next day was the SB party. No one planned on going any where after the game. We went to GBP but it was so late it was close. We found ourselves riding around. Where did we end up? Venezuela Ave with the newbies in shorts and tank tops. Totally unprepared. Mr. E who drove us there and had send his date home after the SB party was a little ticked. First of all its Sunday not Saturday and his gear was in Hotel. He didn't have time to change nor the newbies. Venezuela vibe was the same as last time with less chicas. I will say it again. Venezuela Ave is not a good place to monger. 5 of us and no one score off the scene. I am done with that scene. 100 pesos for a small bottle of water.
The next day Mr. G decides he wants to go to Sosua. Both Mr. E and I said fuck that! Sosua on a Monday after SB weekend. Hell naw! I thinking those ticks (that's right ticks) are so fat from the money they made over charging the weekend warriors, most went home except for the hardcores. Gogo had a hair up his ass for Sosua. Mr. E said he was going home before he goes to Sosua! It was Gogo Brady's call. What was the play Sosua. Yes fellow mongers Brady jumped ship and broke up the team. Talking about Sosua is calling him. Mr. E went home. Hell he is going to Medellin on Thursday anyway. Grownman stayed in BC. Brady decided he will stay in BC one day with GM. Come Tuesday Brady decides to change up again and go to the tourist town outside of LR. (read the report) Mr. E was gone and he had chicas set up for us in the area. GM was done! Shady Brady shuffling in the back field killed my vibe.
Guess what? Brady really don't like punches in bunches. He is really not a Sosua man. He may disagree with me but he know a make it my thing to read people. Mr. G is a GFE type of dude. If he has to pick a chica after 11:30 pm he will pass. He did it in Cuba twice and the DR all the time. He is the lets meet, eat, drink, and do our thing for a few days. He wants a rapport with his chicas. I saw and heard him trying to convince the newbies to this method. He was getting frustrated because the newbies where rabbits. They could barely sit still at the SB party.
After he returned from his solo adventure and we drove around outside of the strip, he now see the more treasures of SP, LR and BC. A nice hotel away from the scene and an all day chica for him is his MO. Remember Brady, I called for SP when we first decides on the south coast. Things didn't go as planned but you still my Ninja.Thanks for that, man. Appreciated.
There's a few of us Mr GG, OldKool, Fannie too, I think, like to take our time and sniff the flowers before we buy, but maybe it's just an age thing, and we are basically pacing ourselves, because we only have so much to go around :) I was once a rabbit, so I know what that's like too.
I do have respect for Mr. E (when I'm not arguing with him about shit) he is one of the guys that got me to Sosua, and at least added another 10 years to my life, but he forgets that he is so experienced and well connected that what works for him won't work for the average monger who may only get down there a couple times a year.
But, next to sex with a beautiful woman is hanging out with a good bunch of guys that you know and trust, and I miss that, and the laughs that are a part of it.
Just got back hours ago from my first trip to Sosua for 5 nights. I originally booked a room at casa marina, not guest friendly, so I also booked a room in Europa, which came out awesome! The casa marina wrist band was cock-blocking me the whole time cause all the chicas know they don't allow guests, so many didn't try too hard, but the few that did learned that I had another room in town. LOL I booked the extra room for the safety of my valuables, cleanliness of the bed I sleep on and the Wifi as well, I like to have ocean view and safe beach to leave my belongings since I'm solo, overall convenience. Didn't want to risk the cabanas being full or nasty. The resort was pretty cool though, I met many tourists from Germany, Russia, France and Canada so there was always.
Someone interesting to talk to.
I'm not new to mongering but haven't done it in years, I've been to Mexico, Costa Rica, Puerto Rico and checked out Puerto plata before. The chica I met in Puerto Plata was more GFE, I know Sosua isn't really known for GFE but it was fun too because I was looking to get some real rest in between, and just wanted to try a new town.
The Haitians are becoming a hit in DR, I seen just as many guys bring back Haitians as they did Dominicans, out of 4 I bedded, 3 were Haitian, not on purpose either, but they did have more English than the other girls and they worked harder, they're taking advantage of this "land of opportunity".
There were some very impressive Dominican chicks, however, I can't stand the fact that I can't have a decent convo before asking for a price. I'm not going back until I can have a fluent convo, something short and sweet, I'm sure it makes the experience that much better when you can communicate. The gorgeous petite one I saw had nice thick hips, plumb lips and nice small boobs, nice brunette hair, then I saw her Samsung S5, then I saw she had the Motorola watch, then her clothes and nicely made up nails, maybe I should've approached but it pissed me of how she didn't even bother to approach with me staring her up and down. I prob would've laughed and walked away if she asked for 5 k pesos, maybe I'm over exaggerating but it's clear that someone is spending good.
Money on her.
Didn't try out any of the restaurants that were mentioned here, not only because I had all inclusive, but I ate a big breakfast in the morning, wasn't hungry till late night where I grabbed 2 of those pork sandwiches for 240 pesos, which was amazing because I've been craving it since I tried it 6 years ago in PP.
Did see some hot chicas working in the neighborhood stores and what not, again no Spanish, I can't stand barriers!
I agree with coupe about African American gentlemen getting a lot of attention. It's simple, maybe a little stereotypical, but no intention to offend anyone, they spend money a lot more loosely than most, and prob get so flabbergasted by some of these chicas, that they actually pay 4-5 k pesos for a quick stunt. I'm from NY myself, and I can understand where these guys are coming from, especially if it's their first time mongering.
I stood outside of Classico a couple nights, and noticed everyone basically from all the surrounding bars going into one club, LMAO. I'm like WTF is the point when I can just snatch something out here, especially after hearing about the overcrowding, I was in no mood to be a sardine, there was enough action going on outside.
I think next trip I'll go to Puerto Plata, and ask a cabby to take me to one of the local bars where I'm the only tourist, I need myself a non-pro chica, instant gratification is fun and all, but gets boring too.
Just want to thank you guys from this forum for all the info and advice, my first solo mongering trip was a success! I'm 29, just got out of a serious relationship months ago, so this was the best way for me to go into my next phase in life, still planning to settle down someday, but can't forget to live in the present.
. The gorgeous petite one I saw had nice thick hips, plumb lips and nice small boobs, nice brunette hair, then I saw her Samsung S5, then I saw she had the Motorola watch, then her clothes and nicely made up nails, maybe I should've approached but it pissed me of how she didn't even bother to approach with me staring her up and down. I prob would've laughed and walked away if she asked for 5 k pesos, maybe I'm over exaggerating but it's clear that someone is spending good.
.This is what I call a chica playing "Super Bunny". She wants you to make her take your money. Her shit doesn't stank but her attitude does. I can only image her insipid ass in the bedroom.
Charles Pooter
03-02-16, 04:16
I think next trip I'll go to Puerto Plata, and ask a cabby to take me to one of the local bars where I'm the only tourist, I need myself a non-pro chica, instant gratification is fun and all, but gets boring too.I am all for you visiting Pto Pta (which is where I live), but do not let cabbies choose where to take you. They will take you to wherever best suits them, not where it best suits you, and get a cut which will be added to your tab. Plenty of info on the boards to tell you where to go. When you know your destination, then you can ask a cabby to take you there (if you do not fancy riding a moto).
How will you find GFE if you do not speak any Spanish? You are obviously not prejudiced against haitianas, and this will increase your odds of finding GFE. You have already found out that they are more appreciative. They are also, on average, sweeter and less demanding. Do you have any French?
And the best GFE prospects are not found in bars but are normal girls doing a days work or out shopping. That especially applies to haitianas.
There were some very impressive Dominican chicks, however, I can't stand the fact that I can't have a decent convo before asking for a price. I'm not going back until I can have a fluent convo, something short and sweet, I'm sure it makes the experience that much better when you can communicate..You are right. I did not speak Spanish very well at all the first time I went to the DR, but picked it up over the next few months. Speaking it is not very hard, but understanding what people are saying to you needs more practice to get to the point where you can have a normal conversation. To me it makes a fantastic difference being able to talk to a chica, as it also makes it much easier to read her character. Some people say it doesn't matter, and it is true you can still get sex without speaking any Spanish, but I to me it is usually much better with someone you can talk to, unless she talks complete garbage and you can't stand her.
The most impressive speaker of Spanish I every saw was Tempoecorto, because he arrived on the island for the first time, never having spoken Spanish before, and just started talking to everyone. OK, admittedly he spoke Italian very well, which is a similar language, and sometimes his Spanish would fall into Italian, but people understood him, and on subsequent visits he improved several hundred percent.
You only need a basic vocabulary to get by, so you don't have to be fluent if you know the common words. I am hopeless when it comes to knowing the Spanish vocabulary for things like parts of a car, and could not tell you the Spanish word for "fender" or "hood" off the top of my head, but you don't need to know these things, only the basics of conversation and every day life.
Mr Enternational
03-02-16, 06:49
Did see some hot chicas working in the neighborhood stores and what not, again no Spanish, I can't stand barriers!You are looking at it all wrong my brother. You can actually use not speaking the language to your advantage when dealing with normal chicks. You should have met one of the store clerks and gone on a date with her. You could teach her English and she could teach you Spanish. The only way to learn a language is one word at a time. Before I learned Portuguese I remember walking down the sidewalk in Rio hand in hand with a Brazilian chick pointing at objects. She would tell me what it was in Portuguese and I would tell her what it was in English.
There used to be a website called sharedtalk where you could meet people and do the same thing. My buddy turned me on to it. We fucked so many chicks from there under the guise of teaching or learning languages from each other. It was run by Rosetta Stone and it seems they closed the site in August and replaced it with this. http://www.hellolingo.com I have not been on the new site before so I can't say anything about it.
I stood outside of Classico a couple nights, and noticed everyone basically from all the surrounding bars going into one club, LMAO. I'm like WTF is the point when I can just snatch something out here, especially after hearing about the overcrowding, I was in no mood to be a sardine, there was enough action going on outside.My thoughts exactly. Then after Clasico the same people go en masse to After 1. In the 11 years that I have been going to Sosua I have been inside of Clasico 3 times. I also prefer to stand out front and get girls' info for later and when the right one comes along, take her back to the hotel.
I think next trip I'll go to Puerto Plata, and ask a cabby to take me to one of the local bars where I'm the only tourist, Like CP said you don't really want to do that. They will take you to Cristal where you will be not only the only tourist there, but the only male there. And all the girls go for $100.
On a sidenote I took some newbie guys to the clipjoint in Santo Domingo. The name is Oasis now but it used to be called Babydolls. When we walked in and sat down I told the manager in Spanish that I was bringing these two guys in to check out the joint. Where is my tip? The guy told me if they take a girl then you can get one for free.
I saw you were kind of put off when the girl with the S5 did not approach you. You may want to go read Gogo's report on Bayahibe in the Gogo section. Paraphrasing he said, if you are a foreigner in a nonmongering city and you walk into a bar you are just like a piece of furniture to them. They will pay you no attention. So you will have to do the approaching if you see someone you like.
Grandnash84
03-02-16, 08:09
You are right. I did not speak Spanish very well at all the first time I went to the DR, but picked it up over the next few months. Speaking it is not very hard, but understanding what people are saying to you needs more practice to get to the point where you can have a normal conversation. To me it makes a fantastic difference being able to talk to a chica, as it also makes it much easier to read her character. Some people say it doesn't matter, and it is true you can still get sex without speaking any Spanish, but I to me it is usually much better with someone you can talk to, unless she talks complete garbage and you can't stand her.
The most impressive speaker of Spanish I every saw was Tempoecorto, because he arrived on the island for the first time, never having spoken Spanish before, and just started talking to everyone. OK, admittedly he spoke Italian very well, which is a similar language, and sometimes his Spanish would fall into Italian, but people understood him, and on subsequent visits he improved several hundred percent.
You only need a basic vocabulary to get by, so you don't have to be fluent if you know the common words. I am hopeless when it comes to knowing the Spanish vocabulary for things like parts of a car, and could not tell you the Spanish word for "fender" or "hood" off the top of my head, but you don't need to know these things, only the basics of conversation and every day life.I have to agree, knowing spanish enough for a convo will go a long way. My first time in dr I was there for 2 weeks by myself and knew only a few words. Told myself when I'm getting home I'm learning spanish so I can communicate with the chicas better. My only intention to learn it LOL. Bought rosetta stone and went back a couple months later only having completed the 2nd level of rosetta stone. By that time you are having conversations with no problem. Not only did it enhance the fun with the chicas, but the dominicans treat you differently (in a good way) when you speak or try to speak their language, from what I felt.
I have to agree, knowing spanish enough for a convo will go a long way. My first time in dr I was there for 2 weeks by myself and knew only a few words. Told myself when I'm getting home I'm learning spanish so I can communicate with the chicas better. My only intention to learn it LOL. Bought rosetta stone and went back a couple months later only having completed the 2nd level of rosetta stone. By that time you are having conversations with no problem. Not only did it enhance the fun with the chicas, but the dominicans treat you differently (in a good way) when you speak or try to speak their language, from what I felt.That's true just about anywhere. When you make an effort to communicate in their language, the natives will almost always raise their opinion of you. Even if you only know a few words, it moves you way ahead of the typical American who just speaks English loud and slow.
Does anyone know anything about the missing tourist who apparently smoked laced marijuana then ran off?
Can anyone identify what his weed was laced with?
Thanks.
Mr Enternational
03-02-16, 09:39
Does anyone know anything about the missing tourist who apparently smoked laced marijuana then ran off?
Can anyone identify what his weed was laced with?
Thanks.I have not heard the story but that sounds like PCP.
Manizales911
03-02-16, 12:28
Does anyone know anything about the missing tourist who apparently smoked laced marijuana then ran off?
Can anyone identify what his weed was laced with?
Thanks.I have been following the search pretty closely and I thought it was just a vicious rumor that he got effed up on some laced weed but maybe I am wrong. Personally I think he went surfing, had an accident of some sort and is sleeping with the fishes. If you have any links to any news about him smoking some laced weed I would be interested in reading it.
I have been following the search pretty closely and I thought it was just a vicious rumor that he got effed up on some laced weed but maybe I am wrong. Personally I think he went surfing, had an accident of some sort and is sleeping with the fishes. If you have any links to any news about him smoking some laced weed I would be interested in reading it.I think it was the NY Post. Try to google it. I am in Tijuana at the moment without a computer.
Tempoecorto
03-03-16, 02:44
The most impressive speaker of Spanish I every saw was Tempoecorto, because he arrived on the island for the first time, never having spoken Spanish before, and just started talking to everyone. Without a doubt, language makes a huge difference (I also agree with Oakie's post about the age thing and how that also translates to making love rather than having sex). But for the language, I would still be dipping into the Sosua well. I spent a lot of time, all over the Orient and while some were rather enjoyable, none was similar to the experience in the DR, thanks to the language aspect. In the East, it was all paid women that I did and as usual, they spoke their crummy English (as in ficky ficky), when they did, which did not endear me to them and vice versa and the variety. From Japanese and Korean in the North to Vietnamese and Chinese, all the way to Bahasa Indonesia in the south. No way one could ever hope to wrap their arms around all that. In Europe, it is the same these days, from Germany to Italy and France, it is East Europeans and it would be impossible to figure out all the languages. From Russian, to Hungarian or to Albanians. Nonetheless, I still remember meeting a Romanian in one of the Clubs in Frankfurt and she to my delight spoke Italian and it made quite a bit of difference. It happens a bit with the Haitians in the DR, but I am not into Haitians and their French is not often as good even though every now and then you find a good one and they are all snatched up by the Quebecois! Dommage!
By the way, Gracias por el halago!
This is what I call a chica playing "Super Bunny". She wants you to make her take your money. Her shit doesn't stank but her attitude does. I can only image her insipid ass in the bedroom.As much as I wanted to bend her over, the pedestal attitude turned me off, she could've made an easy 3-3.5 k within an hour. Someone needs to remind her what she does for a living.
I am all for you visiting Pto Pta (which is where I live), but do not let cabbies choose where to take you. They will take you to wherever best suits them, not where it best suits you, and get a cut which will be added to your tab. Plenty of info on the boards to tell you where to go. When you know your destination, then you can ask a cabby to take you there (if you do not fancy riding a moto).
How will you find GFE if you do not speak any Spanish? You are obviously not prejudiced against haitianas, and this will increase your odds of finding GFE. You have already found out that they are more appreciative. They are also, on average, sweeter and less demanding. Do you have any French?
And the best GFE prospects are not found in bars but are normal girls doing a days work or out shopping. That especially applies to haitianas.I've been trying to remember the bars name for years already, all I remember is that he drove past bulldogs on the boulevard and made a left soon after, passed the liberty square park thing and made a right somewhere, it was a fairly big sized outside tent.
Club / bar with a small dance floor in the middle. Me and my friend were the only tourists when we walked in, maybe 1 more gringo passed through during the night, it was new years eve 2010. The GFE experience was more of just having her around the resort and playing charades to communicate at times, visited her one more time after, incidentally the night before I flew out I went on a first date with my future GF back home, LOL. No French, just Russian and English.
You are looking at it all wrong my brother. You can actually use not speaking the language to your advantage when dealing with normal chicks. You should have met one of the store clerks and gone on a date with her. You could teach her English and she could teach you Spanish. The only way to learn a language is one word at a time. Before I learned Portuguese I remember walking down the sidewalk in Rio hand in hand with a Brazilian chick pointing at objects. She would tell me what it was in Portuguese and I would tell her what it was in English.
There used to be a website called sharedtalk where you could meet people and do the same thing. My buddy turned me on to it. We fucked so many chicks from there under the guise of teaching or learning languages from each other. It was run by Rosetta Stone and it seems they closed the site in August and replaced it with this. http://www.hellolingo.com I have not been on the new site before so I can't say anything about it.
My thoughts exactly. Then after Clasico the same people go en masse to After 1. In the 11 years that I have been going to Sosua I have been inside of Clasico 3 times. I also prefer to stand out front and get girls' info for later and when the right one comes along, take her back to the hotel.
Like CP said you don't really want to do that. They will take you to Cristal where you will be not only the only tourist there, but the only male there. And all the girls go for $100.
I saw you were kind of put off when the girl with the S5 did not approach you. You may want to go read Gogo's report on Bayahibe in the Gogo section. Paraphrasing he said, if you are a foreigner in a nonmongering city and you walk into a bar you are just like a piece of furniture to them. They will pay you no attention. So you will have to do the approaching if you see someone you like.Just trying to save a headache trying to communicate and be on the same page, a couple of times I had WiFi at a bar and resorted to a translator, but it wasn't as fun as actually talking. I'll take a look at that website, I was considering getting a Spanish tutor.
Though, someone with many years experience in teaching properly. Cristal sounds familiar, is that the strip club in Puerto Plata? I remember being taken to a strip club, it was ridiculous me and my friend were the only ones in there and the girls approached us.
In flocks like pigeons to the point where we left within 10 minutes.
It's not that she just didn't approach me, she saw me staring her up and down, even gave her a smirk or two and nothing LOL, at least make me feel special for a couple minutes! I'm a presentable guy, very approachable and kind, I guess pesos speak louder than me. Earlier that night when I was standing by Classicos, a skinny beautiful brunette with a flower tied in her hair started talking to me, but the convo wasn't going anywhere as we didn't understand each other, and she drifted off into the crowd. I need a little convo before I ask how much, at least tease me a bit, make me feel like I'm not picking up a hooker lmao! Some of these bombshells are probably used to guys just coming up and asking how much, back to the strip they go after 30 min of work, they don't waste no time!
No complaints though, I'm not upset or offended, everyone has their own view of what works for them. I was in Costa Rica this time last year, the hottest chica in the bar was actually Dominican, she charged $100 usd and brought me back to her apartment.
So banging some hot chicks for half the price this past week is a win for me.
I believe the Costa Rica chica scene is cleaner, these girls have to pay for some sort of permit that allows them to work, they get tested ever so often, none of them would do a BBJ or anything risky, which is fine with me. The Sosua chicks are quick to go down without any protection, and of course no real regulation.
This is what my week came out to in Sosua. Jetblue round trip $323 w / chase sapphire points, casa marina $459, Europa $228 and round trip from the airport $21 = $ 1031. It took effort to spend about $400 USD throughout the 5 nights.
The first chica I met didn't give me a price, she said I'll what I want after, I didn't like it but gave a strict warning "No problems", she repeated after me and off we went, gave her 1500, she asked for tip and gave her another 200 pesos, next night I messaged her and said I only have 1000, she agreed and came in half our, gave her 1200.3rd night met a pretty cool Haitian chick in front of Classicos she had a descent amount of English, enjoyed a nice convo bought her a drink at the sports bar next door, went for walk towards Europa (she had no clue I had a room there), she actually thought there would be no sex that I would just take care of her for her time, when we got talking she said 4 k, I got her down to 2500, as we walked into Europa she was like "you knew the whole time we would have sex"! LOL. 4th night took a younger Haitian she was petite and sexy asked me for 2 k didn't negotiate but told her tip is included, she freaked me out when she wanted to turn all the lights off, I'm like WTF is the problem she told me she don't like light, I asked her what she's hiding, apparently she was on her period, I didn't mind though, but she scared me for a second, thinking what does she have that she wants to turn off the lights. 5th night I told myself I can't go to DR and not bang a Dominican, found a nice petite cute one, she told me 2 k, again not in the mood to negotiate I warned her tip is included, she was a bit lazier out of the other girls, but had a really nice and tight toto, enjoyed that!
It's not that I wasn't even in the mood to negotiate, it was reasonable IMO, I read her that guys were paying upward of 4 k+, which defeats the purpose of mongering out here. I spoke with a local guy, he said the chicks charge locals like 300 pesos, where do I apply for residency! LOL.
Does anyone know anything about the missing tourist who apparently smoked laced marijuana then ran off?
Can anyone identify what his weed was laced with?
Thanks.
I think this is the latest information on the missing tourist that you are asking about:
Wednesday March 2, 2016 More than a month after the mysterious disappearance of an American tourist in the Dominican Republic, his family still has no information on his whereabouts.
Darryl Fornatora, a 46-year-old tennis instructor and avid surfer, arrived in Puerto Plata on January 25 with a friend and fellow surfing enthusiast, according to his family.
Fornatora, of Palm Beach, Florida, messaged family and friends on the day of his arrival and checked into a villa in the coastal town of Caberete with his travelling companion Matt Rigby.
Fox News reports that on January 26, after five hours surfing, an exhausted Fornatora messaged his mother, Nancy, who always worried about surfing accidents, to let her know he was out of the water.
Fornatora's sister, Christina Hendrex, told Fox: "They had surfed for hours that day. It was epic. He was tired. He told my mom, 'I love you. '.
That was reportedly the last time the family heard from him. What happened next is a mystery.
Fornatora, who is 6-foot-4 and weighs 210 pounds, was scheduled to fly home with Rigby on January 31. But Rigby cut his trip short and returned to Florida alone on January 28. The missing man's return ticket was neither used nor changed.
The following day, Rigby, of Jupiter, Florida, reportedly called Fornatora's parents and said he had not seen or heard their son since the afternoon of January 27.
"Rigby didn't contact the embassy or police, which I don't understand," Hendrex said of her brother's friend. "he also took some of Darryl's things back with him, like his surfboard and his computer. ".
The Fornatora family also claims that Rigby's recollection of events has changed.
"The original story was that he left early because there was no surf and Darryl wanted to stay, but then it unfolded into something different," Hendrex claims.
"The latest is that Darryl was acting paranoid and upset. Matt told him to 'calm down' and suggested they go into town. Then Matt said he turned his back and Darryl was just gone. ".
The claims of paranoia were said to have been corroborated by other, unidentified witnesses, leading to rumours that Fornatora may have ingested a substance sprinkled on marijuana cigarettes that can put a user into a "voodoo-like trance. ".
"Witnesses said he was acting paranoid, scared and fearful for his safety," Hendrex said. "We don't know if it was a situation where that was an induced state of paranoia or he had something genuinely to be fearful of. ".
"Nobody knows the answer to that," she added.
The Palm Beach Post sought to compare Fornatora's case to that of Patrick Brown, a 37-year-old Canadian who ingested a substance while on vacation in the Dominican Republic in April. After showing signs of paranoia, Brown reportedly hid in a jungle area for six days before he was found by authorities.
Police probing Fornatora's disappearance have given no indication that they are seriously pursuing the marijuana theory.
Search and rescue crews, including divers, helicopters and planes, have scoured the coast and surrounding reefs for any sign of Fornatora.
Local authorities have ruled out drowning for the missing American, an experienced surfer and swimmer who works as the director of the Lake Park Tennis Center in Lake Park, Florida.
The US Embassy in Santo Domingo declined to comment on an ongoing investigation.
Hendrex, who recently travelled to the Dominican Republican from her El Paso, Texas, home to help in the search, described the family's ordeal as "agonizing. ".
"I don't know what to think and that's what is so heartbreaking," Hendrex said. "We do not have enough information to lead us in any direction. ".
"We're really struggling. Being in a state of limbo and having no answers is torture," she said.
A reward equalling about US $4,500 has been offered in the Dominican Republic for information leading to the discovery of Fornatora's whereabouts.
Family and friends have also taken to social media, setting up a Facebook page devoted to the search.
Going to Sosua March 17th for a week. I've been to Sosua before, this will be my 5th visit in a 15 year span. I usually stay at a non all inclusive right outside of Cabarette.
Me and my crew would pull the girls from Sosua and take them back to the hotel. This trip we are renting a villa that's closer.
There are 5 of us and we're in our forties now. I'm the most seasoned out of everyone. The other guys its there 2nd or third time out. I originally came to the DR the first time solo. Each time I came back home with my stories my group grew from 1, to 2, to 4, and the last time I brought my friend down for his bachelor party trip. It's was about 10 of us. That was a pain in the ass putting together. We did the whole VIP experience in the club and everything. That was a waste I felt though, I had to leave VIP to find the talent and bring them back. Call me lazy, whatever, LOL. Them girls don't care about VIP. They care about the cash in your pocket. We ain't home.
Now that I'm coming down to bring in my 45th birthday. I still after all these visits don't feel like I got the full experience. I was to busy working the numbers trying to get as many chicas as possible. Young, dumb, full of cum.
This time I'm going for quality not quantity. I want to make sure I hit the major spots. IE: the best massage parlor, the best strip club, a good take out spot where you see a nice one and pay the exit fee. I'm used to pulling bartenders. I see a nice one and figure, with she works here she speaks a little English its better than your regular street walker.
Okay, you're my travel guide what spots to hit.
Thanks.
Going to Sosua March 17th for a week. I've been to Sosua before, this will be my 5th visit in a 15 year span. I usually stay at a non all inclusive right outside of Cabarette.
Me and my crew would pull the girls from Sosua and take them back to the hotel. This trip we are renting a villa that's closer.
There are 5 of us and we're in our forties now. I'm the most seasoned out of everyone. The other guys its there 2nd or third time out. I originally came to the DR the first time solo. Each time I came back home with my stories my group grew from 1, to 2, to 4, and the last time I brought my friend down for his bachelor party trip. It's was about 10 of us. That was a pain in the ass putting together. We did the whole VIP experience in the club and everything. That was a waste I felt though, I had to leave VIP to find the talent and bring them back. Call me lazy, whatever, LOL. Them girls don't care about VIP. They care about the cash in your pocket. We ain't home.
Now that I'm coming down to bring in my 45th birthday. I still after all these visits don't feel like I got the full experience. I was to busy working the numbers trying to get as many chicas as possible. Young, dumb, full of cum.
This time I'm going for quality not quantity. I want to make sure I hit the major spots. IE: the best massage parlor, the best strip club, a good take out spot where you see a nice one and pay the exit fee. I'm used to pulling bartenders. I see a nice one and figure, with she works here she speaks a little English its better than your regular street walker.
Okay, you're my travel guide what spots to hit.
Thanks.Maybe you've been going to a different Sosua all this time. The one I've been to doesn't have a best strip club, or a worst strip club. There are a few places offering massage, but it's a bit of a stretch to refer to them as massage parlors. The massage is reasonable at 600 pesos, but the happy ending is another 1000. Considering local prices, hardly a bargain.
Unless I'm mistaken, there's no place in Sosua now with an exit fee. There are really only 2 hot spots in Sosua, Rumbas and Classicos. Good luck pulling a bartender out of either place. However, pulling a girl from either place is easy, no exit fee, no deep conversation, just agree on a price and away you go.
Perhaps you should spend some time reading the forum, because the Sosua you are looking for seems to be a completely different place.
Charles Pooter
03-03-16, 14:20
I spoke with a local guy, he said the chicks charge locals like 300 pesos, where do I apply for residency!Probably true, but Dominican guys are happy to fuck chicas none of us would touch with a barge-pole. I avoid riding with young motoconchistas, partly for this reason but, when I do, I notice they turn to look at fat, nearly middle-aged, women with dyed hair and too tight clothes, and ignore the slim young ones.
Also their idea of sex, whether for 300 pesos or more, is to jump on for two minutes and cum, like dogs in the street. Hardly the GFE you claim to be seeking.
Finally, you can have residentia and live here for thirty years. You will still be a gringo and be charged gringo prices.
Mr Enternational
03-03-16, 14:39
I believe the Costa Rica chica scene is cleaner, these girls have to pay for some sort of permit that allows them to work, they get tested ever so often,Still be careful with that. The chicks in Philippines have to have a permit and get tested every so often too. But their test only consists of their pussy being swabbed. So it is more like a pap smear.
she freaked me out when she wanted to turn all the lights off, I'm like WTF is the problem she told me she don't like light, I asked her what she's hiding, apparently she was on her period, I didn't mind though, but she scared me for a second, thinking what does she have that she wants to turn off the lights.When chicks want to turn off the lights I tell them that I like a lot of light so I can act like I am a porno star making a movie.
Going to Sosua March 17th for a week. I've been to Sosua before, this will be my 5th visit in a 15 year span. I usually stay at a non all inclusive right outside of Cabarette.
Me and my crew would pull the girls from Sosua and take them back to the hotel. This trip we are renting a villa that's closer.
There are 5 of us and we're in our forties now. I'm the most seasoned out of everyone. The other guys its there 2nd or third time out. I originally came to the DR the first time solo. Each time I came back home with my stories my group grew from 1, to 2, to 4, and the last time I brought my friend down for his bachelor party trip. It's was about 10 of us. That was a pain in the ass putting together. We did the whole VIP experience in the club and everything. That was a waste I felt though, I had to leave VIP to find the talent and bring them back. Call me lazy, whatever, LOL. Them girls don't care about VIP. They care about the cash in your pocket. We ain't home.
Now that I'm coming down to bring in my 45th birthday. I still after all these visits don't feel like I got the full experience. I was to busy working the numbers trying to get as many chicas as possible. Young, dumb, full of cum.
This time I'm going for quality not quantity. I want to make sure I hit the major spots. IE: the best massage parlor, the best strip club, a good take out spot where you see a nice one and pay the exit fee. I'm used to pulling bartenders. I see a nice one and figure, with she works here she speaks a little English its better than your regular street walker.
Okay, you're my travel guide what spots to hit.
Thanks.There is no best strip club, there is no best massage parlor. The girls either change every week, because they are not making any money, or they are older and have been doing it for years. None of the massage places have any kind of amenity like a shower. A working electric fan if you are lucky.
Chicas who speak English are best avoided for a number of reasons.
Salidas? Most of the women in Sosua are freelance, which is better all round. You might find more of what you want in Santo Domingo.
Still be careful with that. The chicks in Philippines have to have a permit and get tested every so often too. But their test only consists of their pussy being swabbed. So it is more like a pap smear.
When chicks want to turn off the lights I tell them that I like a lot of light so I can act like I am a porno star making a movie.Huh? You can run an HIV test on a vaginal swab. For most tests like syphilis, hepatitis, etc. You need blood, or sometimes [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) for some types of infection. I don't why they would be doing Pap smears, as these are are test for cervical cancer, not for anything contagious, although they may be associated with HPV infections.
Huh? You can run an HIV test on a vaginal swab.The swab HIV test is not very accurate. If the person is HIV negative, then it is pretty accurate, but it gives a false negative for people who are HIV positive at a fairly high rate.
Going to Sosua March 17th for a week. I've been to Sosua before, this will be my 5th visit in a 15 year span. I usually stay at a non all inclusive right outside of Cabarette.
Me and my crew would pull the girls from Sosua and take them back to the hotel. This trip we are renting a villa that's closer.
There are 5 of us and we're in our forties now. I'm the most seasoned out of everyone. The other guys its there 2nd or third time out. I originally came to the DR the first time solo. Each time I came back home with my stories my group grew from 1, to 2, to 4, and the last time I brought my friend down for his bachelor party trip. It's was about 10 of us. That was a pain in the ass putting together. We did the whole VIP experience in the club and everything. That was a waste I felt though, I had to leave VIP to find the talent and bring them back. Call me lazy, whatever, LOL. Them girls don't care about VIP. They care about the cash in your pocket. We ain't home.
Now that I'm coming down to bring in my 45th birthday. I still after all these visits don't feel like I got the full experience. I was to busy working the numbers trying to get as many chicas as possible. Young, dumb, full of cum.
This time I'm going for quality not quantity. I want to make sure I hit the major spots. IE: the best massage parlor, the best strip club, a good take out spot where you see a nice one and pay the exit fee. I'm used to pulling bartenders. I see a nice one and figure, with she works here she speaks a little English its better than your regular street walker.
Okay, you're my travel guide what spots to hit.
Thanks.And you probably won't get it this time either. I really don't think that traveling with a crew is the best way to enjoy the pleasures of the flesh the DR offers. Inevitably, someone in the group will get involved in a situation that it will distract and take precious time to solve, in addition to everybody having different opinions on where to go, what to do. Plus the fact that anything one does will be known by the group, presumably from the same area, which I don't think is wise. When alone, you are free as a bird, free to do anything you wish without having to compromise on your desires. But it is only my opinion. Good luck anyway.
The swab HIV test is not very accurate. If the person is HIV negative, then it is pretty accurate, but it gives a false negative for people who are HIV positive at a fairly high rate.I've never heard of a swap test given a false negative. I have only heard of it given a false positive.
I am planning my next trip. I live on the East coast and flights form my area usually run about $700 round trip to POP airport. I usually fly into SD spend the night and catch the bus to Sosua. I meet a chica in sd and spend the evening with her. I do this because flying to Sosua is $200 more and the arrival times generally stink. I make the most of my time but 10 hours on the bus going and coming is required. Bus ride has never been a problem just part of what is required. This time I am flying to Sosua and arriving at 230 pm one way $275. Return flights from Sosua are terrible, most being overnight flights. So I am flying out of SD on a different airline. This works great because I do enjoy SD and the return flights are much better out of SD. I flying out on Delta paying $245. The total of the $520. I know many of the guys on the board have the same issue getting to Sosua. I am tight with my money and time is precious as well. I am really pleased with my travel plans for both cost and timeliness.
I am planning my next trip. I live on the East coast and flights form my area usually run about $700 round trip to POP airport. I usually fly into SD spend the night and catch the bus to Sosua. I meet a chica in sd and spend the evening with her. I do this because flying to Sosua is $200 more and the arrival times generally stink. I make the most of my time but 10 hours on the bus going and coming is required. Bus ride has never been a problem just part of what is required. This time I am flying to Sosua and arriving at 230 pm one way $275. Return flights from Sosua are terrible, most being overnight flights. So I am flying out of SD on a different airline. This works great because I do enjoy SD and the return flights are much better out of SD. I flying out on Delta paying $245. The total of the $520. I know many of the guys on the board have the same issue getting to Sosua. I am tight with my money and time is precious as well. I am really pleased with my travel plans for both cost and timeliness.Exchange rate today is $1 = 45.8 DOP; $200 savings is 9,160 DOP. At 1500 pesos each that is 6 more chicas you can fuck. Sounds like a good deal to me. LOL.
Not any more. I have accepted that two a day is my limit. In truth it is way better then 3 or 4 with no leche.
Exchange rate today is $1 = 45.8 DOP; $200 savings is 9,160 DOP. At 1500 pesos each that is 6 more chicas you can fuck. Sounds like a good deal to me. LOL.
I've never heard of a swap test given a false negative. I have only heard of it given a false positive.According to the CDC, because concentrations of the detected antibodies are much lower than in the blood, up to 1 in 12 HIV positive people will get a negative result with the swab test.
I am planning my next trip. I live on the East coast and flights form my area usually run about $700 round trip to POP airport. I usually fly into SD spend the night and catch the bus to Sosua. I meet a chica in sd and spend the evening with her. I do this because flying to Sosua is $200 more and the arrival times generally stink. I make the most of my time but 10 hours on the bus going and coming is required. Bus ride has never been a problem just part of what is required. This time I am flying to Sosua and arriving at 230 pm one way $275. Return flights from Sosua are terrible, most being overnight flights. So I am flying out of SD on a different airline. This works great because I do enjoy SD and the return flights are much better out of SD. I flying out on Delta paying $245. The total of the $520. I know many of the guys on the board have the same issue getting to Sosua. I am tight with my money and time is precious as well. I am really pleased with my travel plans for both cost and timeliness.Flights only arrive at POP in the day time in the afternoon.
I have just spent a month in Sosua and around the area, so feel relatively well qualified to report on the scene. I was here in December and preferred it, less chicks around but better quality. The atmosphere was also better and easier going.
Recently a guy posted here that there were thousands of chicks on any night in Sosua. This is nonsense! On an average night in Rumba Bar there are maybe 100 to 150 chicks, the majority of them are pretty average. Just came back from there tonight Sunday and the choice was pretty bad. Only Thursday and Friday night does it get really busy with a good availability of nice looking women. Anyway, I go to Rumba bar because it's where most of the action is, not because I like the place. I don't enjoy it either when they just play heavy New York urban rap constanly, not my kind of music really!
When I was here in April 2014 Rumba bar had some serious competition with D Latins, now it doesn't really. I remember women then in D Latins in general made an effort with the guys, dressed nicely, all wore high heels, and were as receptive to white guys as black guys. I know this is maybe a touchy subject but I prefer to be honest. So I don't know what has happened since then, either I have got a lot older and uglier (or the women just prefer New York black guys more now?) The scene there has definitely become more urban New York, and the women who go there seem to be into that and not much else. In Rumba bar nowdays the girls are much harder faced, most walk around in flat shoes or flip flops, and dress like they just stumbled back from the beach.
They expect to be approached rather that approach the guys. If they approach you chances are they are not great looking! They spend more time staring at their mobile phones than the guys. They seem to be more networked, gang like and wander in and out of Rumba bar. A few real lookers come in, ignore everyone except the group of guys from New York buying whisky and champagne. So something is going on and something has changed here anyway. Maybe the best looking chicks are more likely to be taken or booked up as it's the high season? Or maybe they are getting spoilt and can be more choosy as Sosua is getting busier as US visitors have increased because the US economy has picked up?
Anyway, they can do what they like, but many don't seem to be there just to make money from random guys anymore. There are also very few lighter skinned brunettes around compared to 2014, most are mulatta or black. I like to be with morenas, mulattas and black ladies. I have seen a lot less fresh looking freelancers on this trip than on my previous 4 trips to Sosua. There also more Haitian women here than before, and Haitian guys around too. The town in general and Rumba bar especially is also more dominated by black New York guys than before. I have no view on that and we get on just fine, just telling it like it is.
The service in Rumba bar is pretty bad, as the barmaids spend 80 % of their time serving the camarero's and not the client at the bar! They also spend ages filling out their stupid manual receipts which is a total waste of time. Merengue bar is a nicer place to be, however it is empty before around 11 pm, and tends to attract even less good looking and more hardened women than Rumba bar, especially early on in the evening.
You know the scene is not great, when you spend as much time checking out the women working in the stores, restaurants and hairdressers etc as the ones available in the chica bars! I want to take a chick back from the chica bars because she is so gorgeous I cannot resist her, not just pick the best one around because I need a shag! But honestly at the moment, the majority in Rumba bar are very average girls trying to dress sexy. Half the girls working in the Playero supermarket for example are better looking than they are!
Great detailed report Coupe. Some of which I share your sentiments. I will comment on a few details. Relatively speaking your month stay has afforded you a months worth of perspective to compare your previous trips.
I too have observed some things while living here. Mind you, this is MY opinion. However it might shed some light on a few things. My observation of chicas in Sosua these days is that many are NEW Jacks. Meaning, enough of them are generation X type females. They are less likely to be domesticated type females. The ones raised with domestic skills have been on a decline for a while. So what you get is more hip hop, new jack mentality females. Most of them grow up gravitating towards a hustle mentality than what many mongers were used to 5 or more years ago.
Even when Latins was open, the women there were a mixture of older chicas and upcoming new jacks. In fact, the new jacks may have been copying the style of the seasoned females that went to Latins dressed up. Another observation is always seeing vets with one or a crew of new chicas. Sporting them around, and showing them the ropes. Additionally, many young chicas come to Sosua on their own because they heard there is money to be made. That brings out all types of chicas. From too young, too fat, too skinny, too old, too ugly, more poorly educated etc.
From young to old, many chicas come to Sosua because they think they can make some quick cash. There are still enough chicas in Sosua that have been around for several years. They arent all new jacks. But many of them have incorporated a hustle like mentality moreso than working towards good service to get repeat business. Some are possibly looking for a WU novio or husband. A lot of chicas played it a different way. They got dudes interested in them enough to marry them, or provide enough resources to reduce their need for Sosua (until he is gone). I had two great regulars end up getting marriedin 2015. So factor that too. A lot of chicas got snatched up because somebody else found value in them too.
This doesn't mean the chicas are serious about relationships with these men. It just means these men are valued in that they take the pressure off of having to work that hard going to Sosua. The more suckers on the payroll the better. Mind you, this very female may have a dominican / local boyfriend that she keeps hidden so as not to spoil things with the fellas who are on the hook. Many if not most chicas going to Sosua have children. Most from a dominican male. She will usually tell you she has no boyfriend. Enough will claim they don't like dominican men. But most if not all have a child by a dominican man. And hes still hitting it. If dominican men are so disliked as they claim, then why are so many females having children by them? (Rhetorical) Its BS, that's all it is.
At one time, many chicas were anxious to get with a foreigner for a relationship. It still was about security, but it didn't have the hustle edge that it has evolved into. Now many want children with DR men. Want foreigners for money and resources, and want the family there to care for the offspring while the chicas run the street / work. With all that said, it makes sense that enough chicas in Sosua now are far less personable than years ago. Many can't even hide their contempt. Disgust, or indifference for those they try to extract moneyand resources from.
In fact, I will go on to say, that I don't think most of the hustlers, chicas, touts and moto drivers think very highly of foreigners, except for the money we bring. But they sure do a good job acting like they genuinely like their potential prey. In most instances, once it is established you provide no benefit, or future benefit, all of those warm friendly smiles and interaction may eventually disappear. You may have observed that within your month? Specifically the chicas. Their interest is more predicated on who may provide the most and the quickest benefit. In some instances, it may be those men you presume to be from New York. And BTW, since when does black guys in Rumba listening to HIP HOP, or urban rap mean they got to be from New York?
You arent aware that many guys who happen to be black, come to Sosua from all over the US? And that hip hop / urban music is listened to and enjoyed by blacks and others throughout the US and the world? Did one month going to Rumba, and your visits since 2014 cause you to draw the conclusion that black guys in Rumba listening to that music, mean they are from New York? What about the rest of the blacks in Rumba? Is there some significance to them being classified as New Yorkers, rather than just black guys who like that music? I will venture to say, its possible the DJs at Rumba play HIP HOP music so much because they drew a similar conclusion of their clientele as you. Many are black, maybe they dress a certain way? So they must like HIP HOP, Rap and they must come from NY. So HIP Hop Rap it is. To hell with us are&be (name your preference) folks.
Rumba may be considered a good pick up spot in general. But it doesn't have to be. A guy spending as much time in Sosua as you should have found other ways to establish hookups. It sounds like you were used to more desirable chicas being more assertive and made more effort to let a guy know they were interested. If so? I too can relate to that. But times changes. The rosters of chicas will evolve. The behavior and attitudes will evolve. A dude has to evolve with the changes. Remember, many of these people in and around Sosua are just acting nice and personable. Even if desirable chicas did approach more, it doesn't really mean much if all they see is a mark to exploit.
A lot of these chicas are doing this because they feel they need to. Not because they want to. And perhaps hustling is the quickest way they see to get some cash. We can't expect them to be able to maintain a personable act with us when deep down they probably resent us for them being in their situation. And its not like they get genuine care and concern from their clientele either. You know its business because no body is trying to get to know the other. In enough cases, names are forgotten after the encounter.
Since I've been living here my perspective has evolved as well. I'm not actively seeking to fuck as much as I used to. Now, I'm more laid back. I know now there is more to life here than pursuing juice on a daily basis. Living here there is no urgency to get laid. I get it when I want it. Now my interest leans more towards the quality of my interactions moreso than the quantity. If I wanted more quality I would seek it outside of p4 p and Sosua. But I like p4 p, and I like variety, and I love being single and detached. Like you, I do not like going to Rumba much. I do so sparingly, and moreso to chica watch or meet up with friends than actually bringing a chica home. The main thing is, I know pussy is all around me almost anytime I want it.
You mentioned later that you had some good experiences with some chicas. Thats good. Sosua is still a good time. Sosua is a constantly changing environment. One moment to the next, one vacation to the next Ones experience being in Sosua can be different as night and day. Changes that impact ones enjoyment are merely opportunities for growth and doing what's needed to adapt.
Great detailed report Coupe.
In some instances, it may be those men you presume to be from New York. And BTW, since when does black guys in Rumba listening to HIP HOP, or urban rap mean they got to be from New York?
You arent aware that many guys who happen to be black, come to Sosua from all over the US?Yes, but since there are, what, three main portals for entering the DR by direct flights, all of them on the east coast, except Atlanta which is in a coastal state, from Miami / Ft. Lauderdale, Atlanta, and the New York / Newark metropolitican areas, it stands to reason that a lot of the people who fly there will come from those areas. OK, it doesn't really matter if they are from New Jersey or New York City, it is the same area. I doubt if there are an equal number coming from the Great Lakes area, or California, or the Pacific Northwest or Texas due to the longer journey time and higher fares, especially when it comes to people traveling in groups, which a lot of visitors to Sosua seem to do.
Now many want children with DR men.
Have they told you this? The reason why I ask is that it often used to be the case that naive young DR chicas would get involved with some older married guy who said he loved them, have sex with him four times, get pregnant, and be abandoned by him, and turn to sex merchandising to make some money to support self and child. So what you are describing is a different paradigm. Are the numbers of female Dominicans applying for fiancee and spousal visas to the US, Canada, and Europe diminishing, or is it just that the girls who show up in Sosua are a bit different from the rest?
Not saying you are wrong, but you are describing a significant change, perhaps indicating that living standards in the island are improving.
Yes, but since there are, what, three main portals for entering the DR by direct flights, all of them on the east coast, except Atlanta which is in a coastal state, from Miami / Ft. Lauderdale, Atlanta, and the New York / Newark metropolitican areas, it stands to reason that a lot of the people who fly there will come from those areas. OK, it doesn't really matter if they are from New Jersey or New York City, it is the same area. I doubt if there are an equal number coming from the Great Lakes area, or California, or the Pacific Northwest or Texas due to the longer journey time and higher fares, especially when it comes to people traveling in groups, which a lot of visitors to Sosua seem to do
Have they told you this? The reason why I ask is that it often used to be the case that naive young DR chicas would get involved with some older married guy who said he loved them, have sex with him four times, get pregnant, and be abandoned by him, and turn to sex merchandising to make some money to support self and child. So what you are describing is a different paradigm. Are the numbers of female Dominicans applying for fiancee and spousal visas to the US, Canada, and Europe diminishing, or is it just that the girls who show up in Sosua are a bit different from the rest?
Not saying you are wrong, but you are describing a significant change, perhaps indicating that living standards in the island are improving.1) If the issue brought up by Coupe or myself was about where do many blacks come from that have direct flights or what portals are there to enter into the DR, then your introduction of said commentary might be useful to consider. But since nobody is talking about how blacks get to Sosua, nor concerned about that in relation to who is listening to HIP HOP and RAP in Rumba, your offerings are irrelevant to the addressed issue. So why not just stick to what's relevant? The point is, music is played in Rumba. Just because a certain type of music is played, a black dude is in there listening to it, and may be dressed a certain way, doesn't mean he is a New Yorker. He could be from anywhere.
In fact if you check enough of these chicas cell phones for music. Enough of them have HIP HOP, Rap and reggaeton on their phones. Its possible, the DJs know what the chicas like, and they play it to draw the chicas to Rumba which subsequently draws the male clientel. Even if it was the other way round, I don't think any personnel at Rumba or Classico asks most customers where are they from, and what music they would like to hear? They play what THEY want. The DJs are not old guys. Except for a couple. The main ones playing music are relatively young, and they playi what they themselves like.
2) Dominican Chicas are having babies by Dominican men on the regular, all the time. Probably at a higher rate than with foreigners. You don't need them to tell you they want dominican men to have children with. They are showing you by their behavior who they want to have children with. Enough are coming to Sosua pregnant to work. Now if you want to claim dominican chicas want to have children by foreigners more than dominicans, have at it.
BTW, didn't mean to leave out the Haitianas as part of the Sosua equation. Many of the Haitian chicas have / had a reputation for being better providers than enough DR chicas. To some extent that may seem true. But even with Haitianas, enough of them in Sosua have become somewhat less reliable or attractive as a go to option. One thing I see a lot of, is guys (mostly white) wining and dining them at the various bars , restaurants and the Playa. Dominican chicas are getting the treatment too, but I see more white guys out eating and drinking with Haitiana chicas. At Rumbas and the beach I see enough black guys doing that too with DR females.
So going back to what Coupe brought up. Enough guys, black, white or whatever are going above and beyond just paying for services. So it makes sense seeing chicas more active in seeking business from individuals who look like their money is flowing. It may not be because they are black or white, from New York or whatever, or listen to certain music. It might be more about where and how the money is flowing.
1) If the issue brought up by Coupe or myself was about where do many blacks come from that have direct flights or what portals are there to enter into the DR, then your introduction of said commentary might be useful to consider. But since nobody is talking about how blacks get to Sosua, nor concerned about that in relation to who is listening to HIP HOP and RAP in Rumba, your offerings are irrelevant to the addressed issue. So why not just stick to what's relevant? The point is, music is played in Rumba. Just because a certain type of music is played, a black dude is in there listening to it, and may be dressed a certain way, doesn't mean he is a New Yorker. He could be from anywhere.
In fact if you check enough of these chicas cell phones for music. Enough of them have HIP HOP, Rap and reggaeton on their phones. Its possible, the DJs know what the chicas like, and they play it to draw the chicas to Rumba which subsequently draws the male clientel. Even if it was the other way round, I don't think any personnel at Rumba or Classico asks most customers where are they from, and what music they would like to hear? They play what THEY want. The DJs are not old guys. Except for a couple. The main ones playing music are relatively young, and they playi what they themselves like.
2) Dominican Chicas are having babies by Dominican men on the regular, all the time. Probably at a higher rate than with foreigners. You don't need them to tell you they want dominican men to have children with. They are showing you by their behavior who they want to have children with. Enough are coming to Sosua pregnant to work. Now if you want to claim dominican chicas want to have children by foreigners more than dominicans, have at it.
BTW, didn't mean to leave out the Haitianas as part of the Sosua equation. Many of the Haitian chicas have / had a reputation for being better providers than enough DR chicas. To some extent that may seem true. But even with Haitianas, enough of them in Sosua have become somewhat less reliable or attractive as a go to option. One thing I see a lot of, is guys (mostly white) wining and dining them at the various bars , restaurants and the Playa. Dominican chicas are getting the treatment too, but I see more white guys out eating and drinking with Haitiana chicas. At Rumbas and the beach I see enough black guys doing that too with DR females.
So going back to what Coupe brought up. Enough guys, black, white or whatever are going above and beyond just paying for services. So it makes sense seeing chicas more active in seeking business from individuals who look like their money is flowing. It may not be because they are black or white, from New York or whatever, or listen to certain music. It might be more about where and how the money is flowing.I totally agree. Follow the money. Everything is relative. There have always been some chicas who want to get off the island and others who want to stay at home. The interesting thing is if the proportions are changing. For example, could it be that the economic conditions that are creating a disillusioned working class in the US that supports Donald Trump are less conducive to Dominicans in the US calling their families members and neighbors with stories of how the streets are paved with gold, and likewise the Arab invasion of Europe might make it less hospitable for Dominicans. Obviously it is harder for a chica who already has a child with a Dominican to find someone willing to sponsor them for a visa overseas, so those who have children will be less likely to be mobile. However isn't there a difference between chicas who have more or less accidentally become pregnant by a Dominican guy, and those who have chosen to do so, especially in a country where abortion is illegal, as it is in the DR. Why do so many African American women in New York "choose" to become pregnant by Americans and then abort?.
And it is interesting that you mention Haitians being better "providers". Historically it has been women who have looked for men who are good "providers", but in a slightly different sense of the word.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/nyc-more-black-babies-killed-abortion-born
When I was here in April 2014 Rumba bar had some serious competition with D Latins, now it doesn't really. I remember women then in D Latins in general made an effort with the guys, dressed nicely, all wore high heels, and were as receptive to white guys as black guys. I know this is maybe a touchy subject but I prefer to be honest. So I don't know what has happened since then, either I have got a lot older and uglier (or the women just prefer New York black guys more now?) The scene there has definitely become more urban New York, and the women who go there seem to be into that and not much else. In Rumba bar nowdays the girls are much harder faced, most walk around in flat shoes or flip flops, and dress like they just stumbled back from the beach.
They expect to be approached rather that approach the guys. If they approach you chances are they are not great looking! They spend more time staring at their mobile phones than the guys. They seem to be more networked, gang like and wander in and out of Rumba bar. A few real lookers come in, ignore everyone except the group of guys from New York buying whisky and champagne. So something is going on and something has changed here anyway. Maybe the best looking chicks are more likely to be taken or booked up as it's the high season? Or maybe they are getting spoilt and can be more choosy as Sosua is getting busier as US visitors have increased because the US economy has picked up?
Anyway, they can do what they like, but many don't seem to be there just to make money from random guys anymore. There are also very few lighter skinned brunettes around compared to 2014, most are mulatta or black. I like to be with morenas, mulattas and black ladies. I have seen a lot less fresh looking freelancers on this trip than on my previous 4 trips to Sosua. There also more Haitian women here than before, and Haitian guys around too. The town in general and Rumba bar especially is also more dominated by black New York guys than before. I have no view on that and we get on just fine, just telling it like it is.
The service in Rumba bar is pretty bad, as the barmaids spend 80 % of their time serving the camarero's and not the client at the bar! They also spend ages filling out their stupid manual receipts which is a total waste of time. Merengue bar is a nicer place to be, however it is empty before around 11 pm, and tends to attract even less good looking and more hardened women than Rumba bar, especially early on in the evening.
You know the scene is not great, when you spend as much time checking out the women working in the stores, restaurants and hairdressers etc as the ones available in the chica bars! I want to take a chick back from the chica bars because she is so gorgeous I cannot resist her, not just pick the best one around because I need a shag! But honestly at the moment, the majority in Rumba bar are very average girls trying to dress sexy. Half the girls working in the Playero supermarket for example are better looking than they are!
I thought ID beat this dead horse once more. I started out by saying many of the chicas that are in Sosua to hustle are new jack, generation X types. You don't get the impression that they have any interest in life beyond the superficial. Many act like they have no home training. Enough will hardly say please or thank you if you treat them or give them something. They just take and consume. Basically enough of them live their life in RECEIVE MODE. And you can see that they don't train their children to be any better either. Just look at the kids running the street in Sosua. If they do say thank you to a gift or food, its very superficial. Its done mechanically because they know we expect it. And they want to encourage gifters / benefactors to keep supplying them. Not because they really appreciate what was given. Hustling in Sosua is their job.
Back to the chicas. Hair, clothes, cell phones, tattoos appear to be their main focus on a daily basis. Unless one is blind, you can see dozens of chicas smoking cigarettes these days. I can be out somewhere and see a chica I might like to check out, and all of a sudden out pops a cigarette? Years past it was more likely a chica didn't smoke cigarettes, and didn't want to be around it.
Not now. Its more common to run into a chica that smokes than it used to be. You may not know a chica smokes, until she starts breathing in your face in the bedroom. If my memory serves me right, when I 1st started coming to the DR one thing I admired about dominican women is that many wore their own hair, with no attachments. In recent years more and more women (dominican & Haitians etc) have hair that they bought and had attached to their own hair.
I'm bringing this issue up because I have read and heard sentiments from guys blaming mongers (themselves) for the negative or undesirable changes we see in chicas. I don't fully agree with that perspective. For one good reason. We arent the ones who put these women in the circumstances they find themselves in. We arent the ones poorly training these females and their children (who become adult hustlers) in their homes.
Males have a greater tendency to gravitate towards what the female puts forth. Not that men don't have free will to make their own choices. Its just that if, chicas demanded, insisted or leaned more toward wanting a GFE type interaction with a man it would reflect in their behavior. Point being. Men should not blame themselves if all a chica wants is to fuck a guy for ST and get back to the street to make more money. The general consensus among some guys is that chicas have adapted to men who only want to sport fuck. They want quantity not quality. That chicas decided since guys don't want them for a serious relationship or long term or toda la noche, they themselves decided they don't want that either.
I don't buy that. For one its about economics. If anybody has been paying attention in recent years, these chicas seem to be more organized in the game than what it appears. They support each other in the game. You see different chicas forming bonds and alliances with each other. Have you thinking, damn I didn't know they knew each other? It could be a whole crew of chicas that know each other. And you can bet they are sharing intel on dudes in every aspect to support their agenda. Making money off of foreigners by any means necessary. Plus these chicas know the exchange rate moved from 37 to 1, and now its about 45 to 1. They also listen to dudes talk about how they can't believe they can fuck a chica for under $100 US. So what's next? Chicas start demanding or expecting more money. Chicas make adjustments in their services.
Lets not forget. Enough of these chicas have their boyfriends, chulos, esposa, baby daddies etc. And they love their country and life. Do they really need to seek GFE or toda la noche from a foreigner?. The objective is to get that dough. GFE arrangements can get in the way of their main objective. Quick cash. Unearned in some instances. Enough guys are reporting how quick their encounters are before the chicas are re-dresssed and back in the street. In fact I've witnessed chicas heading back to the strip after seeing them walking to a dudes hotel. I'm not saying she got the job done (although that could be the case for some) but I think what happens is the dude and the chica come to the reality of how much she expects for her time. Or she has some other slick manuever up her sleeve. On her period. Is pregnant. Won't do oral (or not without a condom). Or whatever comes up. Bottom line, the guy is not impressed, and so the chica bounces only to pull the same shit on another unsuspecting customer.
A sensible guy is not going to see GFE potential in females presenting themselves like that. If anything that's going to cause guys to be more cautious and reserved. Typically a dude will respond to what a female will put forth. You treat a dude like you can't wait to get to your next customer. Or you are constantly on your cell phone etc. Nobody should expect a dude to overlook that behavior and think if he pursued a GFE with her, she would change and act accordingly. Thats delusional. The main chicas a dude may invest that kind of time with, are females that actively pursue it, they both want it, and there is some chemistry. But to blame mongers for how chicas have evolved negatively is not putting the onus where it belongs. Its on the female to be blamed for any responsibility for their own behavior. And their circumstances.
But since when do dominicans, females in particular take responsibility for anything, rather than get mad at individuals that don't let them have their way?
Haven't american males did enough of that for females in the states? Blaming themselves for what they get from females. I'm certainly not taking responsibility for some females fucked up outlook on life, her fucked up work ethic being a working girl, her unappreciative entitled mentality, lack of home training, no manners, lack of domestic skills etc. I aint responsible for all of that. Now if you come correct, you just might get what you've earned. If that is what she seeks. Other than that. I accept the fact that a monger is mostly valued as a means to an end. Their (the chicas and predators) pursuits with us, it isn't PERSONAL (against us). Its business. With all the many ways they go about getting paid even if it isn't fully earned.
Don't take this post as if I'm schooling you personally. I'm just readdressing some of the issues that are prevalent and worth mentioning. Again its only my opinions. Some of it has to have merit and apply somewhere. It can't be all wrong. Distorted and jumbled yes. I accept that.
I checked out the Bourbon Street restaurant. And I found the place to be very nice inside. I was kinda surprised at how many people were working there. And wondered do they or will they have enough customers to pay everybody? I counted a least 12 out in the main area. That included security. The kitchen may have had 3 or more working in there. During my visits, I only saw a small handful of customers. In passing, the same. Superbowl week however, I did see a lot more people. But SBW is long gone.
My 1st visit was for dessert. The peach cobbler with ice cream was good. My next visit I had the baked salmon, rice and veggies. I thought. For 750 pesos there could have been more veggies than the 4 pieces I had on my plate. Or perhaps if they added a salad that would suffice. Overall the food was good, and so was the presentation. The ambience overall is nice. Although each visit they were wearing out some jazz that all sounded the same. Much like they do sometimes playing a shitload of Kenny G at the Bourbon Street spot at the Victorian House. After a while every song sounds the same.
For the most part, the staff is friendly and professional. I've only been served by 2 females thus far. None of the male servers. On the 2nd visit I had an incident with being shortchanged. This is not an uncommon practice in the DR, especially in restaurants. My bill came to 1200 pesos. I gave her 2- 1000 peso bills. I'm supposed to get 800 pesos change. My server brings back 700 in the sleeve and walks off. I actually observed her when she went to the cashier to pay. For all I know, she might have told the female cashier to give her only 700. Once I opened the sleeve, I noticed it was incorrect, and got my servers attention. I swear, I didn't even get to say much, because she already knew it was short. And knew right away it was short by 100 pesos. This isn't the 1st time I witnessed a dominican try to shortchange somebody.
And act like it was a simple miscalculation. Funny how it mostly seems to happen in their favor, than yours. A more telltale sign is how they act after you get things straight, and they have to come clean. They arent as pleasant and friendly as they were prior. And you may not get an apology or a very weak one, for their error. Why? Because they know you know you busted them. Or at the very least, they might think your fucked up for making an issue over 100 pesos, since your loaded (and she's poor). The slicksters and opportunists don't live by principle in your favor, only theirs.
A couple guys I told about this incident suggested that I tell one of the owners. I thought about that. Ordinarily, that makes a lot of sense. But I'm in Sosua. We all have a responsibility to pay attention and protect ourselves at all times. A restaurant owner has got to know that sort of thing is bound to happen with hired locals. I thought about what could happen adversely if I told. From that point on, could I ever trust my food not being tampered with by a disgruntled employee that was singled out? Especially since enough dominicans don't take responsibility, they get mad. Will the owner treat the situation like hes a monger who was just warned that his pretend GF is cheating on him? Get mad at the messenger, instead of the cheater? Or brush it off as, so what? No harm, no foul.
In the end, to me it wasnt worth it. Especially if I decide I want to patronize the establishment again. All my server did is reinforce that its necessary to protect your interests and pay attention, at ALL times.
I had an incident several months past at the gas station just outside of Sosua (towards Caberete). I requested 3000 pesos worth of gas. Not paying attention after the pump started, the attendent pumped gas, stopped and reset the pump, then apparently pretended he was still pumping. As far as he was concerned, I got my 3000 pesos worth. LOL. I took that as my bad for not paying attention to the pump display and what the attendant is doing every step of the way. Got to pay attention and protect yourself at all times. Its not really a dominican thing. Things like this happen anywhere there are opportunists looking to get over.
I checked out the Bourbon Street restaurant. And I found the place to be very nice inside. I was kinda surprised at how many people were working there. And wondered do they or will they have enough customers to pay everybody? I counted a least 12 out in the main area. That included security. The kitchen may have had 3 or more working in there. During my visits, I only saw a small handful of customers. In passing, the same. Superbowl week however, I did see a lot more people.After being MIA for so long nice to see your back bro.
Exchange rate today is $1 = 45.8 DOP; $200 savings is 9,160 DOP. At 1500 pesos each that is 6 more chicas you can fuck. Sounds like a good deal to me. LOL.Me too! Wait a minute. Is that SubCmdr counting pesos. With your chica rotation (2 main 3 quickies) how will you get the extra time to spend.
I checked out the Bourbon Street restaurant. And I found the place to be very nice inside. I was kinda surprised at how many people were working there. And wondered do they or will they have enough customers to pay everybody? I counted a least 12 out in the main area. That included security. The kitchen may have had 3 or more working in there. During my visits, I only saw a small handful of customers. In passing, the same. Superbowl week however, I did see a lot more people. But SBW is long gone.
My 1st visit was for dessert. The peach cobbler with ice cream was good. My next visit I had the baked salmon, rice and veggies. I thought. For 750 pesos there could have been more veggies than the 4 pieces I had on my plate. Or perhaps if they added a salad that would suffice. Overall the food was good, and so was the presentation. The ambience overall is nice. Although each visit they were wearing out some jazz that all sounded the same. Much like they do sometimes playing a shitload of Kenny G at the Bourbon Street spot at the Victorian House. After a while every song sounds the same.
For the most part, the staff is friendly and professional. I've only been served by 2 females thus far. None of the male servers. On the 2nd visit I had an incident with being shortchanged. This is not an uncommon practice in the DR, especially in restaurants. My bill came to 1200 pesos. I gave her 2- 1000 peso bills. I'm supposed to get 800 pesos change. My server brings back 700 in the sleeve and walks off. I actually observed her when she went to the cashier to pay. For all I know, she might have told the female cashier to give her only 700. Once I opened the sleeve, I noticed it was incorrect, and got my servers attention. I swear, I didn't even get to say much, because she already knew it was short. And knew right away it was short by 100 pesos. This isn't the 1st time I witnessed a dominican try to shortchange somebody.
And act like it was a simple miscalculation. Funny how it mostly seems to happen in their favor, than yours. A more telltale sign is how they act after you get things straight, and they have to come clean. They arent as pleasant and friendly as they were prior. And you may not get an apology or a very weak one, for their error. Why? Because they know you know you busted them. Or at the very least, they might think your fucked up for making an issue over 100 pesos, since your loaded (and she's poor). The slicksters and opportunists don't live by principle in your favor, only theirs.
A couple guys I told about this incident suggested that I tell one of the owners. I thought about that. Ordinarily, that makes a lot of sense. But I'm in Sosua. We all have a responsibility to pay attention and protect ourselves at all times. A restaurant owner has got to know that sort of thing is bound to happen with hired locals. I thought about what could happen adversely if I told. From that point on, could I ever trust my food not being tampered with by a disgruntled employee that was singled out? Especially since enough dominicans don't take responsibility, they get mad. Will the owner treat the situation like hes a monger who was just warned that his pretend GF is cheating on him? Get mad at the messenger, instead of the cheater? Or brush it off as, so what? No harm, no foul.
In the end, to me it wasnt worth it. Especially if I decide I want to patronize the establishment again. All my server did is reinforce that its necessary to protect your interests and pay attention, at ALL times.
I had an incident several months past at the gas station just outside of Sosua (towards Caberete). I requested 3000 pesos worth of gas. Not paying attention after the pump started, the attendent pumped gas, stopped and reset the pump, then apparently pretended he was still pumping. As far as he was concerned, I got my 3000 pesos worth. LOL. I took that as my bad for not paying attention to the pump display and what the attendant is doing every step of the way. Got to pay attention and protect yourself at all times. Its not really a dominican thing. Things like this happen anywhere there are opportunists looking to get over.So, apart from getting a fairly cheap holiday and some winter sun, there is not much point going to Sosua any more as whatever charms the chicas had once upon a time have dissipated with the current generation who smoke and have ongoing relationships with Dominican men, and are just looking for money to pay for daycare while they sit in bars. Oh, well, it was good while it lasted. The only advantage left over getting someone from Craigslist or Backpage is that it is legal in the DR.
This time I am flying to Sosua and arriving at 230 pm one way $275. Return flights from Sosua are terrible, most being overnight flights. So I am flying out of SD on a different airline. This works great because I do enjoy SD and the return flights are much better out of SD. I flying out on Delta paying $245. The total of the $520. I know many of the guys on the board have the same issue getting to Sosua. I am tight with my money and time is precious as well. I am really pleased with my travel plans for both cost and timeliness.That is an excellent price flying into Sosua or Puerto Plata. I purchase a one way flying into sd for $219. Leaving at 7 AM arriving at 1 30 pm. That's because I have business on the south coast. But if I was going straight north I would have jumped on that ticket. Most of the flights from my area are red eye flights to Santiago. And red eye flights returning. I only buy one way tickets for now on. I don't know when I'm going to leave. It may cost me an extra hundred. But if I buy my return and change my mind its going to cost me 200 Plus. 520 is excellent for a round trip ticket doing the north coast and coming back on the south coast.
According to the CDC, because concentrations of the detected antibodies are much lower than in the blood, up to 1 in 12 HIV positive people will get a negative result with the swab test.I don't dispute you. My cousin is the HIV awareness nurse in the area. She tests throughout the area. She said at one time they tested 130 volunteered college students. 3 results came back positive. Which required further testing. The later test shows they were false positives. She said this could happen. She also said taking blood was better than the swab. I was also informed that even though a person gives a negative result. You must wait 6 weeks and retest them for more accuracy. You can also use the swab in blood samples. Its just so hard for me to convince the chicas to prick their fingers.
So, apart from getting a fairly cheap holiday and some winter sun, there is not much point going to Sosua any more as whatever charms the chicas had once upon a time have dissipated with the current generation who smoke and have ongoing relationships with Dominican men, and are just looking for money to pay for daycare while they sit in bars. Oh, well, it was good while it lasted. The only advantage left over getting someone from Craigslist or Backpage is that it is legal in the DR.Sosua is one big brothel, and brothels are places to visit occasionally for one reason only.
If you go too often, or live in places like that, you'll just get depressed, and end up with fleas.
Even the chicas don't want to live there! :)
Parkinsons
03-05-16, 16:49
Back to the chicas. Hair, clothes, cell phones, tattoos appear to be their main focus on a daily basis. Unless one is blind, you can see dozens of chicas smoking cigarettes these days. I can be out somewhere and see a chica I might like to check out, and all of a sudden out pops a cigarette? Years past it was more likely a chica didn't smoke cigarettes, and didn't want to be around it.
Not now. Its more common to run into a chica that smokes than it used to be. You may not know a chica smokes, until she starts breathing in your face in the bedroom. If my memory serves me right, when I 1st started coming to the DR one thing I admired about dominican women is that many wore their own hair, with no attachments. In recent years more and more women (dominican & Haitians etc) have hair that they bought and had attached to their own hair.What has the world come to, next thing you know they'll be gyrating their hips to suggestive secular music!!
There goes my dream of coming to Sosua to find my virginal bride.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=20jbY6awlTw
So, apart from getting a fairly cheap holiday and some winter sun, there is not much point going to Sosua any more as whatever charms the chicas had once upon a time have dissipated with the current generation who smoke and have ongoing relationships with Dominican men, and are just looking for money to pay for daycare while they sit in bars. Oh, well, it was good while it lasted. The only advantage left over getting someone from Craigslist or Backpage is that it is legal in the DR.For you, that may be the case. For me, and others with sense its about being more aware of what one might be dealing with than just focusing on getting ones dick satisfied. But for some reason theres always a select few that have a problem hearing or being reminded about some of the unpleasant realities with SOME or ENOUGH females they seek short term gratification with. For some its hard to break from a Cap nnn Sav A Ho mentality and from protecting females indiscriminately. Believe me, I get it.
Sosua is one big brothel, and brothels are places to visit occasionally for one reason only.
If you go too often, or live in places like that, you'll just get depressed, and end up with fleas.
Even the chicas don't want to live there! :)Sosua is one big brothel, huh? Thats quite an exaggeration, although I think I know what you are trying to say. I personally know quite a few expats living in Sosua and enough outside of Sosua. None of them or myself is depressed or speak about being depressed living in Sosua. And in addition more and more guys are contemplating retirement and seeking to live here. See? While enough dudes seem to have a one track or select mindset when it comes to why they come here, and think other men think as they do. Many others have chose to live here for reasons beyond the scope of others who may not grasp what living here has to offer besides the obvious. I know quite a few dudes who give me the impression that they think I'm suffering as if I only have women in Sosua to consort with. I do know some of them have become disenchanted coming to Sosua. My saying applies here in instances like this. WE CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD. How one feels and what motivates them may not apply to me or others.
What they may not understand, is that many others living here, their aim in life, their interests, pleasures and enjoyments is not going to be focused on women 24/7. Living here one can become accustomed to doing normal things that they would do anywhere else they resided. Like I may have said earlier. Living here with juice all around, theres no urgency to get laid. The fact is, a dude can get laid here almost anytime, and he doesn't have to get on a flight to get here. With that, a dude finds himself appearing less thirsty, and in enough instances can be more practical or more sensible in his dealings when he decides to indulge. The best thing anyone can do if they really want to know what its like living here, is to ask those that do or come to live here yourself. They may get various answers but at least its better than assuming wrongly.
BTW enough chicas do live in Sosua or chose to live close to Sosua so they can get to work easier. And dont discount the likelyhood that more chicas wish they could live here, but there are things in the way. It may be more expensive to live here in a regular apartment. Not those stank rooms or hotels they stay in. Missing their children. Missing their neighborhood. Either way, nobody is confined to Sosua. Expats are free to travel within the country and abroad and miss everything they enjoy about living here.
Not to long ago I was staying in Sosua in a condo next to the Gansevoort Hotel. My girlfriend who lives in Puerto Plata receives a call from her father and he asks where are you. She tells him she is in Sosua in a Condo. All her father hears is Sousa, and he goes crazy and she tries to explain to him it is very nice where she is staying. He does not want to hear it. She gets off the phone and is all depressed. I said he has whatsapp send him some pictures where you are. She does and he calls back and say's that is not Sosua and she has to explain to him it is. When he finally realizes that it was Sosua and she was staying in a nice area he shut up! The point is that if you go to the back part of Sosua that is one of the best areas in the Dominican Republic. The beaches are better than Puerto Plata, Boca Chica, and Juan Dolio and comparative to Punta Cana. If you meet a quality woman, you can take her to that back area as there are a couple of walkways between some of the beautiful homes there and you can swim on what feels like a private beach. I never hear people talk about that area, but if I were thinking of retiring and buying a property that would be among my top choices. Do not sleep on the back part of Sosua. I have met some cool people back there who own some nice homes and have invited me over to stay and hang out.
Sosua is one big brothel, huh? Thats quite an exaggeration, although I think I know what you are trying to say. I personally know quite a few expats living in Sosua and enough outside of Sosua. None of them or myself is depressed or speak about being depressed living in Sosua. And in addition more and more guys are contemplating retirement and seeking to live here. See? While enough dudes seem to have a one track or select mindset when it comes to why they come here, and think other men think as they do. Many others have chose to live here for reasons beyond the scope of others who may not grasp what living here has to offer besides the obvious. I know quite a few dudes who give me the impression that they think I'm suffering as if I only have women in Sosua to consort with. I do know some of them have become disenchanted coming to Sosua. My saying applies here in instances like this. WE CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD. How one feels and what motivates them may not apply to me or others.
What they may not understand, is that many others living here, their aim in life, their interests, pleasures and enjoyments is not going to be focused on women 24/7. Living here one can become accustomed to doing normal things that they would do anywhere else they resided. Like I may have said earlier. Living here with juice all around, theres no urgency to get laid. The fact is, a dude can get laid here almost anytime, and he doesn't have to get on a flight to get here. With that, a dude finds himself appearing less thirsty, and in enough instances can be more practical or more sensible in his dealings when he decides to indulge. The best thing anyone can do if they really want to know what its like living here, is to ask those that do or come to live here yourself. They may get various answers but at least its better than assuming wrongly.
BTW enough chicas do live in Sosua or chose to live close to Sosua so they can get to work easier. And dont discount the likelyhood that more chicas wish they could live here, but there are things in the way. It may be more expensive to live here in a regular apartment. Not those stank rooms or hotels they stay in. Missing their children. Missing their neighborhood. Either way, nobody is confined to Sosua. Expats are free to travel within the country and abroad and miss everything they enjoy about living here.Relax Wrexxy:
I just get tired of hearing about you complain about the people's attitudes there, rip offs, and the women's behavior. You choose to live there and I was wondering why.
Now you go 180 to defend it. That's better :)
I find good attitude, good service, and good sex there. YMMV.
Grandnash84
03-06-16, 01:07
Not to long ago I was staying in Sosua in a condo next to the Gansevoort Hotel. My girlfriend who lives in Puerto Plata receives a call from her father and he asks where are you. She tells him she is in Sosua in a Condo. All her father hears is Sousa, and he goes crazy and she tries to explain to him it is very nice where she is staying. He does not want to hear it. She gets off the phone and is all depressed. I said he has whatsapp send him some pictures where you are. She does and he calls back and say's that is not Sosua and she has to explain to him it is. When he finally realizes that it was Sosua and she was staying in a nice area he shut up! The point is that if you go to the back part of Sosua that is one of the best areas in the Dominican Republic. The beaches are better than Puerto Plata, Boca Chica, and Juan Dolio and comparative to Punta Cana. If you meet a quality woman, you can take her to that back area as there are a couple of walkways between some of the beautiful homes there and you can swim on what feels like a private beach. I never hear people talk about that area, but if I were thinking of retiring and buying a property that would be among my top choices. Do not sleep on the back part of Sosua. I have met some cool people back there who own some nice homes and have invited me over to stay and hang out.What streets do I take to get to those beaches? Need to check those out.
What streets do I take to get to those beaches? Need to check those out.Take Argentina street. Look up on google maps and a couple of public entrances to the beach over there and more as you head away from Sosua.
Great detailed report Coupe. Some of which I share your sentiments. I will comment on a few details. Relatively speaking your month stay has afforded you a months worth of perspective to compare your previous trips.
I too have observed some things while living here. Mind you, this is MY opinion. However it might shed some light on a few things. My observation of chicas in Sosua these days is that many are NEW Jacks. Meaning, enough of them are generation X type females. They are less likely to be domesticated type females. The ones raised with domestic skills have been on a decline for a while. So what you get is more hip hop, new jack mentality females. Most of them grow up gravitating towards a hustle mentality than what many mongers were used to 5 or more years ago.
Even when Latins was open, the women there were a mixture of older chicas and upcoming new jacks. In fact, the new jacks may have been copying the style of the seasoned females that went to Latins dressed up. Another observation is always seeing vets with one or a crew of new chicas. Sporting them around, and showing them the ropes. Additionally, many young chicas come to Sosua on their own because they heard there is money to be made. That brings out all types of chicas. From too young, too fat, too skinny, too old, too ugly, more poorly educated etc.
From young to old, many chicas come to Sosua because they think they can make some quick cash. There are still enough chicas in Sosua that have been around for several years. They arent all new jacks. But many of them have incorporated a hustle like mentality moreso than working towards good service to get repeat business. Some are possibly looking for a WU novio or husband. A lot of chicas played it a different way. They got dudes interested in them enough to marry them, or provide enough resources to reduce their need for Sosua (until he is gone). I had two great regulars end up getting marriedin 2015. So factor that too. A lot of chicas got snatched up because somebody else found value in them too.
This doesn't mean the chicas are serious about relationships with these men. It just means these men are valued in that they take the pressure off of having to work that hard going to Sosua. The more suckers on the payroll the better. Mind you, this very female may have a dominican / local boyfriend that she keeps hidden so as not to spoil things with the fellas who are on the hook. Many if not most chicas going to Sosua have children. Most from a dominican male. She will usually tell you she has no boyfriend. Enough will claim they don't like dominican men. But most if not all have a child by a dominican man. And hes still hitting it. If dominican men are so disliked as they claim, then why are so many females having children by them? (Rhetorical) Its BS, that's all it is.
At one time, many chicas were anxious to get with a foreigner for a relationship. It still was about security, but it didn't have the hustle edge that it has evolved into. Now many want children with DR men. Want foreigners for money and resources, and want the family there to care for the offspring while the chicas run the street / work. With all that said, it makes sense that enough chicas in Sosua now are far less personable than years ago. Many can't even hide their contempt. Disgust, or indifference for those they try to extract moneyand resources from.
In fact, I will go on to say, that I don't think most of the hustlers, chicas, touts and moto drivers think very highly of foreigners, except for the money we bring. But they sure do a good job acting like they genuinely like their potential prey. In most instances, once it is established you provide no benefit, or future benefit, all of those warm friendly smiles and interaction may eventually disappear. You may have observed that within your month? Specifically the chicas. Their interest is more predicated on who may provide the most and the quickest benefit. In some instances, it may be those men you presume to be from New York. And BTW, since when does black guys in Rumba listening to HIP HOP, or urban rap mean they got to be from New York?
You arent aware that many guys who happen to be black, come to Sosua from all over the US? And that hip hop / urban music is listened to and enjoyed by blacks and others throughout the US and the world? Did one month going to Rumba, and your visits since 2014 cause you to draw the conclusion that black guys in Rumba listening to that music, mean they are from New York? What about the rest of the blacks in Rumba? Is there some significance to them being classified as New Yorkers, rather than just black guys who like that music? I will venture to say, its possible the DJs at Rumba play HIP HOP music so much because they drew a similar conclusion of their clientele as you. Many are black, maybe they dress a certain way? So they must like HIP HOP, Rap and they must come from NY. So HIP Hop Rap it is. To hell with us are&be (name your preference) folks.
Rumba may be considered a good pick up spot in general. But it doesn't have to be. A guy spending as much time in Sosua as you should have found other ways to establish hookups. It sounds like you were used to more desirable chicas being more assertive and made more effort to let a guy know they were interested. If so? I too can relate to that. But times changes. The rosters of chicas will evolve. The behavior and attitudes will evolve. A dude has to evolve with the changes. Remember, many of these people in and around Sosua are just acting nice and personable. Even if desirable chicas did approach more, it doesn't really mean much if all they see is a mark to exploit.
A lot of these chicas are doing this because they feel they need to. Not because they want to. And perhaps hustling is the quickest way they see to get some cash. We can't expect them to be able to maintain a personable act with us when deep down they probably resent us for them being in their situation. And its not like they get genuine care and concern from their clientele either. You know its business because no body is trying to get to know the other. In enough cases, names are forgotten after the encounter.
Since I've been living here my perspective has evolved as well. I'm not actively seeking to fuck as much as I used to. Now, I'm more laid back. I know now there is more to life here than pursuing juice on a daily basis. Living here there is no urgency to get laid. I get it when I want it. Now my interest leans more towards the quality of my interactions moreso than the quantity. If I wanted more quality I would seek it outside of p4 p and Sosua. But I like p4 p, and I like variety, and I love being single and detached. Like you, I do not like going to Rumba much. I do so sparingly, and moreso to chica watch or meet up with friends than actually bringing a chica home. The main thing is, I know pussy is all around me almost anytime I want it.
You mentioned later that you had some good experiences with some chicas. Thats good. Sosua is still a good time. Sosua is a constantly changing environment. One moment to the next, one vacation to the next Ones experience being in Sosua can be different as night and day. Changes that impact ones enjoyment are merely opportunities for growth and doing what's needed to adapt.WRX 2005, thanks for your comments about my report which were really interesting. I appreciate what you said about the new jacks moving in, and their relationships with the older chicas. That seems to make sense and would explain a lot. Also appreciate your details about their lives, their kids, boyfriends, families etc, some of which I knew from experience and from other mongers. but you explained it all very well.
Re. me saying the black guys are from New York and my lack of correct terminology for Rap, Hip Hop etc. When I first came to Sosua in 2011 I had no idea where any American's there came from, white, black or otherwise. However a few black Americans there NOT from New York told me they didn't really like being in Sosua because they felt out of place because almost all the American guys (black and otherwise) in Sosua were from the New York area. This was news to me! I have talked subsequently to loads of black American guys in Sosua, guess what, they are almost all from New York or nearby (New Jersey etc). Hence my generalisations! Re. the music, when I was in Rumba bar, most noticeably over the Superbowl weekend, it was totally dominated by these guys, and they all seemed to love the Hip Hop / Rap etc which was the only thing playing. So that explains my generalisation for this connection between them and the music scene in Rumba bar. Sure, of course many non-blacks like this music too, but not many of them can be seen in Rumba bar these days, that's all I am saying. And I can very easily tell the difference between American black guys and Dominican black guys (and Dominican's pretending to be American !). I speak pretty good Spanish and have been here many times since 2011. That's the problem with reporting here, if you generalise you will get into trouble, but if you go into massive detail or over political correctness, you won't make your point clearly and a report will be too preachy!
And I agree with you about the motoconcho drivers. I would like to understand thought how they became as aggressive and disrespectful to the tourists as they have, maybe we are too easy pickings? There is really no logic for them to shout 'Motoconcho' at you. If you want one, you can just ask for one! Them asking you aggressively is a form of intimidation and pressure to take one, which I can only assume many people have succumbed to, otherwise, why would they still do it? My tactics vary from saying 'No thanks, no, blanking them, why?, I heard you, I am not deaf, I am going 50 metres, no thanks I have legs, no thanks I am not fat or lazy! Maybe if more people talked back to them like I do, they would be more polite! Maybe their success is because the majority of the tourists are from the US? A country where walking is not favored, as like in the DR.
Over this month several times I have even seen the motoconcho guys having really nasty aggressive shouting matches among themselves at the corner opposite the ice cream parlour and along Pedro Clisante near the Europa hotel; pushing for position, arguing about money and shouting at eachother to get lost! Personally, unless you have mobility problems I think these guys should be banned from taking people around the centre. The authorities should think about legislating on them, instead of all their dumb harassing of the working girls. Cutting their numbers by half would be a good start!
I haven't really had any trouble form hustlers or touts, I think they know where I will tell them to go! I really can't comprehend tourists walking along who allow young guys to just latch onto their group, they should be told 'where to go' firmly, and maybe they will try to find a more constructive way to get on with their lives. I know that sounds harsh but helping them does nothing to help with this country's problems.
By the way I was with 7 chicas over my month, 3 of them several times, which is about my average. Most were great! I have the phone numbers and Facebook of most of them. Obviously they aren't worried about me seeing their friends, family members etc if they do that. A few I will definitely make sure to meet again!
WRX 2005, thanks for your comments about my report which were really interesting. I appreciate what you said about the new jacks moving in, and their relationships with the older chicas. That seems to make sense and would explain a lot. Also appreciate your details about their lives, their kids, boyfriends, families etc, some of which I knew from experience and from other mongers. but you explained it all very well.
Re. me saying the black guys are from New York and my lack of correct terminology for Rap, Hip Hop etc. When I first came to Sosua in 2011 I had no idea where any American's there came from, white, black or otherwise. However a few black Americans there NOT from New York told me they didn't really like being in Sosua because they felt out of place because almost all the American guys (black and otherwise) in Sosua were from the New York area. This was news to me! I have talked subsequently to loads of black American guys in Sosua, guess what, they are almost all from New York or nearby (New Jersey etc). Hence my generalisations! Re. the music, when I was in Rumba bar, most noticeably over the Superbowl weekend, it was totally dominated by these guys, and they all seemed to love the Hip Hop / Rap etc which was the only thing playing. So that explains my generalisation for this connection between them and the music scene in Rumba bar. Sure, of course many non-blacks like this music too, but not many of them can be seen in Rumba bar these days, that's all I am saying. And I can very easily tell the difference between American black guys and Dominican black guys (and Dominican's pretending to be American !). I speak pretty good Spanish and have been here many times since 2011. That's the problem with reporting here, if you generalise you will get into trouble, but if you go into massive detail or over political correctness, you won't make your point clearly and a report will be too preachy!
And I agree with you about the motoconcho drivers. I would like to understand thought how they became as aggressive and disrespectful to the tourists as they have, maybe we are too easy pickings? There is really no logic for them to shout 'Motoconcho' at you. If you want one, you can just ask for one! Them asking you aggressively is a form of intimidation and pressure to take one, which I can only assume many people have succumbed to, otherwise, why would they still do it? My tactics vary from saying 'No thanks, no, blanking them, why?, I heard you, I am not deaf, I am going 50 metres, no thanks I have legs, no thanks I am not fat or lazy! Maybe if more people talked back to them like I do, they would be more polite! Maybe their success is because the majority of the tourists are from the US? A country where walking is not favored, as like in the DR.
Over this month several times I have even seen the motoconcho guys having really nasty aggressive shouting matches among themselves at the corner opposite the ice cream parlour and along Pedro Clisante near the Europa hotel; pushing for position, arguing about money and shouting at eachother to get lost! Personally, unless you have mobility problems I think these guys should be banned from taking people around the centre. The authorities should think about legislating on them, instead of all their dumb harassing of the working girls. Cutting their numbers by half would be a good start!
I haven't really had any trouble form hustlers or touts, I think they know where I will tell them to go! I really can't comprehend tourists walking along who allow young guys to just latch onto their group, they should be told 'where to go' firmly, and maybe they will try to find a more constructive way to get on with their lives. I know that sounds harsh but helping them does nothing to help with this country's problems.
By the way I was with 7 chicas over my month, 3 of them several times, which is about my average. Most were great! I have the phone numbers and Facebook of most of them. Obviously they aren't worried about me seeing their friends, family members etc if they do that. A few I will definitely make sure to meet again!
And I agree with you about the motoconcho drivers. I would like to understand thought how they became as aggressive and disrespectful to the tourists as they have, maybe we are too easy pickings? There is really no logic for them to shout 'Motoconcho' at you. If you want one, you can just ask for one! Them asking you aggressively is a form of intimidation and pressure to take one, which I can only assume many people have succumbed to, otherwise, why would they still do it?Surely it is just like the guys who say "change, change", that they are just trying to make a living and making sure that you are aware of them being available. Sometimes I do want a moto in Sosua and I have a hard time getting the attention of one, so it cuts both ways. Also one cannot always tell if a rider on the highway is a motoconcho or just someone riding to work on their motorbike, so calling out "motoconcho" removes ambiguity. I cannot ever remember one being personally rude or abusive towards me, but perhaps I just don't pay enough attention to them to notice.
Can someone tell me why Americans here in the US where I am tonight keep calling me on my cell phone to ask for money to support the local police or firemen? Isn't that a form of intimidation, and would they do it if everyone cut them off? I have never given them money, but they never seem to learn.
Surely it is just like the guys who say "change, change", that they are just trying to make a living and making sure that you are aware of them being available. Sometimes I do want a moto in Sosua and I have a hard time getting the attention of one, so it cuts both ways. Also one cannot always tell if a rider on the highway is a motoconcho or just someone riding to work on their motorbike, so calling out "motoconcho" removes ambiguity. I cannot ever remember one being personally rude or abusive towards me, but perhaps I just don't pay enough attention to them to notice.
Can someone tell me why Americans here in the US where I am tonight keep calling me on my cell phone to ask for money to support the local police or firemen? Isn't that a form of intimidation, and would they do it if everyone cut them off? I have never given them money, but they never seem to learn.The guys who say 'change, change', you walk past them in 2 seconds, they don't come after you down the street waving their money at you! The motoconchos are different, you have to walk past a bunch of them together, if you just ignore their calls they come alongside you until you acknowledge them, assuming you are deaf I suppose!? I would prefer it if I could tell them all once to all 'Get lost!' and that they would remember be, but I don't because A) I don't want to make enemies in potentially dangerous places B) I am not by nature mean or rude. I think I should get a T-shirt with 'I never go on motoconchos' (translated into perfect Spanish of course!) Yes, if you're talking about being out on the highway then that's totally different, I am talking about the ones in central Sosua. If you're just crossing the intersection opposite Rumba bar coming into the centre on Pedro Clisante, what is the logic of the guy shouting motoconcho? Does he think you need a lift to go another 20 or 30 metres more along the street? Just ridiculous and annoying.
Yes, by the way cold calling is a form of harassment as far as I am concerned. Luckily where I live in Belgium such practices hardly exist as peoples privacy is protected, unlike in the UK where it's probably as bad as in the USA!
Tempoecorto
03-06-16, 06:02
The motoconchos are different, you have to walk past a bunch of them together, if you just ignore their calls they come alongside you until you acknowledge them... Let me begin with the premise that I have not stayed in Sosua for more than 2-3 days at a time, in the last 3-4 years and so my exposure is limited. Having said that, I have never seen a motoconcho person screaming at me hawking his services. I found as I am walking the streets, which I do a lot, the passing by conchista beeps his shrill horn, I think twice, to draw my attention. I used to be rather peeved by that annoying noise and slowly figured out what they are trying to tel me with that and now I either ignore or if our eyes meet, shake my head. I have also not been chased by a gang of conchista either. The currency exchange guys on the other hand, as you state, always shout their "change" at a couple of locales and so I am a little perplexed that only a part of my experience matches yours. Now, it is possible that I not being a white skinned guy, do not get chased. On the other hand, I have this nasty habit of wearing shorts in that hot climate, which is a kind of dead giveaway. Moral of the story, I am a little surprised to read of these aggressive conchistas as I find them trying to earn a living but rather innocuous.
I don't know how people ride those motoconcho's, they look so damn dangerous, to many people rushing and speeding to go no where. I ride a sports bike and it's dangerous as it is even with full gear and a helmet. I can't imagine the death / injury rate in these types of countries with lax 2 wheeled laws. I feel sick when I'm in PA and FL, and see people riding without helmets, LOL.
The motoconhos harass people for simply one reason, high success rate. Out of 10 attempts, at least 1 has to bite. They also like to offer a lot more than a ride, so there's a bigger opportunity to make money than just 100 pesos.
I seen a guy have a kid walk him around with an umbrella when it was raining. I even rented an umbrella from a young guy for 50 pesos, he caught up a few blocks down to retrieve it, lMAO.
The guys who say 'change, change', you walk past them in 2 seconds, they don't come after you down the street waving their money at you! The motoconchos are different, you have to walk past a bunch of them together, if you just ignore their calls they come alongside you until you acknowledge them, assuming you are deaf I suppose!? I would prefer it if I could tell them all once to all 'Get lost!' and that they would remember be, but I don't because A) I don't want to make enemies in potentially dangerous places B) I am not by nature mean or rude. I think I should get a T-shirt with 'I never go on motoconchos' (translated into perfect Spanish of course!) Yes, if you're talking about being out on the highway then that's totally different, I am talking about the ones in central Sosua. If you're just crossing the intersection opposite Rumba bar coming into the centre on Pedro Clisante, what is the logic of the guy shouting motoconcho? Does he think you need a lift to go another 20 or 30 metres more along the street? Just ridiculous and annoying.
Yes, by the way cold calling is a form of harassment as far as I am concerned. Luckily where I live in Belgium such practices hardly exist as peoples privacy is protected, unlike in the UK where it's probably as bad as in the USA!Motoconchos are as big a part of Sosua, as are the chicas aoutside the massage parlors and the beach hawkers. I never get hassled by them in all the years I have been going down there, and my daily walks cover the whole scene.
Body language (a smile, a look, a slight hand gesture) is all it takes to prevent unwanted invitations to motoconcho rides, massages, and beach store merchandise. A form of politeness.
It works the other way round too, when in the city, there's a look that says, "I need a concho" .
A good example of this is the publico. I take it all the time to and back from PP. The driver can spot a potential pick up in a crowd of people on a street corner, there are no false signals, and no wasted stops for him. He gets annoyed if he has to stop for a false positive.
Get comfortable and familiar with the culture, and the chances of being hassled or ripped off, or stalked by touts decline drastically, actually to zero. YMMV. But as long as your attitude is "Get lost, to all of them", You mileage WILL vary. For some of us that like to get around town in the heat they are indispensable.
After all, without the appropriate body language, how could they possibly know you "never take motoconchos" or that you are "only going 30 meters down the street"? .
Motoconchos are as big a part of Sosua, as are the chicas aoutside the massage parlors and the beach hawkers. I never get hassled by them in all the years I have been going down there, and my daily walks cover the whole scene.
Body language (a smile, a look, a slight hand gesture) is all it takes to prevent unwanted invitations to motoconcho rides, massages, and beach store merchandise. A form of politeness.
It works the other way round too, when in the city, there's a look that says, "I need a concho" .
A good example of this is the publico. I take it all the time to and back from PP. The driver can spot a potential pick up in a crowd of people on a street corner, there are no false signals, and no wasted stops for him. He gets annoyed if he has to stop for a false positive.
Get comfortable and familiar with the culture, and the chances of being hassled or ripped off, or stalked by touts decline drastically, actually to zero. YMMV. But as long as your attitude is "Get lost, to all of them", You mileage WILL vary. For some of us that like to get around town in the heat they are indispensable.
After all, without the appropriate body language, how could they possibly know you "never take motoconchos" or that you are "only going 30 meters down the street"? .Yes, if you don't want a taxi or moto all you have to do is wave your hand from left to right below the waist palm down with the arm extended away from the body. You can also say "no gracias, amigo" if you wish.
The guys who say 'change, change', you walk past them in 2 seconds, they don't come after you down the street waving their money at you! The motoconchos are different, you have to walk past a bunch of them together, if you just ignore their calls they come alongside you until you acknowledge them, assuming you are deaf I suppose!? I would prefer it if I could tell them all once to all 'Get lost!' and that they would remember be, but I don't because A) I don't want to make enemies in potentially dangerous places B) I am not by nature mean or rude. I think I should get a T-shirt with 'I never go on motoconchos' (translated into perfect Spanish of course!) Yes, if you're talking about being out on the highway then that's totally different, I am talking about the ones in central Sosua. If you're just crossing the intersection opposite Rumba bar coming into the centre on Pedro Clisante, what is the logic of the guy shouting motoconcho? Does he think you need a lift to go another 20 or 30 metres more along the street? Just ridiculous and annoying.
Yes, by the way cold calling is a form of harassment as far as I am concerned. Luckily where I live in Belgium such practices hardly exist as peoples privacy is protected, unlike in the UK where it's probably as bad as in the USA!
If you're just crossing the intersection opposite Rumba bar coming into the centre on Pedro Clisante, what is the logic of the guy shouting motoconcho? Does he think you need a lift to go another 20 or 30 metres more along the street? Just ridiculous and annoying. He might not know you are going 20 or 30 meters down the road. Often when people leave a bar it means they are going home. Anyway calling out 'motoconcho' is a bit different from getting in your face and actiing in an intimidating manner, which has never happened to me.
Regarding the point about cold calling from the police, I just mentioned it, because people are very quick to comment on Dominican corruption, but take it for granted that all kinds of weird practices may be accepted in the countries that they come from. Many people might find it very intimidating to have police calling them at home asking for "donations", or to have groups of firefighters approaching stooped vehicles at traffic lights and gesticulating that they want money. However when people are used to it, they just overlook it and forget it. When they travel to other countries, they are more aware of these practices, because they seem strange.
Sosua is one big brothel, huh? Thats quite an exaggeration, although I think I know what you are trying to say. I personally know quite a few expats living in Sosua and enough outside of Sosua. None of them or myself is depressed or speak about being depressed living in Sosua. And in addition more and more guys are contemplating retirement and seeking to live here. See? While enough dudes seem to have a one track or select mindset when it comes to why they come here, and think other men think as they do. Many others have chose to live here for reasons beyond the scope of others who may not grasp what living here has to offer besides the obvious. I know quite a few dudes who give me the impression that they think I'm suffering as if I only have women in Sosua to consort with. I do know some of them have become disenchanted coming to Sosua. My saying applies here in instances like this. WE CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD. How one feels and what motivates them may not apply to me or others.
What they may not understand, is that many others living here, their aim in life, their interests, pleasures and enjoyments is not going to be focused on women 24/7. Living here one can become accustomed to doing normal things that they would do anywhere else they resided. Like I may have said earlier. Living here with juice all around, theres no urgency to get laid. The fact is, a dude can get laid here almost anytime, and he doesn't have to get on a flight to get here. With that, a dude finds himself appearing less thirsty, and in enough instances can be more practical or more sensible in his dealings when he decides to indulge. The best thing anyone can do if they really want to know what its like living here, is to ask those that do or come to live here yourself. They may get various answers but at least its better than assuming wrongly.
BTW enough chicas do live in Sosua or chose to live close to Sosua so they can get to work easier. And dont discount the likelyhood that more chicas wish they could live here, but there are things in the way. It may be more expensive to live here in a regular apartment. Not those stank rooms or hotels they stay in. Missing their children. Missing their neighborhood. Either way, nobody is confined to Sosua. Expats are free to travel within the country and abroad and miss everything they enjoy about living here.The thing is you often seem to post negative things about your experiences with Dominican and Haitian women, and you don't mention the positive experiences, if there are any. Perhaps one reason for this is that many of us, you don't post a lot about the positive experiences because that would involve breaching privacy of people who do not wish to be discussed on this board. However the overall effect is to create a rather gloomy impression.
Yes, it is true that if you go for a couple of days, you will probably have to deal with bar girls who are not always the best characters, but it is also true that there are numerous foreign men living in the Sosua / Cabarete area who have satisfactory ongoing relationships with Dominican and Haitian women, most of whom they met locally.
He might not know you are going 20 or 30 meters down the road. Often when people leave a bar it means they are going home. Anyway calling out 'motoconcho' is a bit different from getting in your face and actiing in an intimidating manner, which has never happened to me.
Regarding the point about cold calling from the police, I just mentioned it, because people are very quick to comment on Dominican corruption, but take it for granted that all kinds of weird practices may be accepted in the countries that they come from. Many people might find it very intimidating to have police calling them at home asking for "donations", or to have groups of firefighters approaching stooped vehicles at traffic lights and gesticulating that they want money. However when people are used to it, they just overlook it and forget it. When they travel to other countries, they are more aware of these practices, because they seem strange.I agree with your take on the "shaming" factor involved in declining to support cops and firefighters who know your number and name, call, or in my case even coming into my office.
It's all about "appropriateness".
But Sosua is a market culture, like a fairground, and the folks who frequent the place are considered potential buyers, so locals are going to shout their wares, to folks passing buy. The do target, and profile.
Of course the big commodity marketed there is SEX, not museums and architecture, and it is always in your face, which is why it is popular. But, you will also get the detritus that goes along with it, drugs, petty crime, and unsavory characters.
But like any market, you can enjoy it for what it is, and stay away from the scam artists. Maybe ,if you're a wise shopper, get lucky, or both, you can find a gem that has lasting value.
The thing is you often seem to post negative things about your experiences with Dominican and Haitian women, and you don't mention the positive experiences, if there are any. Perhaps one reason for this is that many of us, you don't post a lot about the positive experiences because that would involve breaching privacy of people who do not wish to be discussed on this board. However the overall effect is to create a rather gloomy impression.
Yes, it is true that if you go for a couple of days, you will probably have to deal with bar girls who are not always the best characters, but it is also true that there are numerous foreign men living in the Sosua / Cabarete area who have satisfactory ongoing relationships with Dominican and Haitian women, most of whom they met locally.See Frannie. Thats why I like to think inside of my OWN head instead of allowing others to tell me how I'm supposedly thinking, or how I'm supposedly conveying my perspective as negative things blah blah blah etc.
People like yourself and Mr O-ver sensitive, disregard what's positive depending on who is posting. Yall do that shit on the regular. But complain or get taken back when people attack your posts. You've demonstrated that quite well in the past, not just towards me but other posters as well. Most times, I shot all of the bullshit down. So since I know what I'm dealing with (dishonsty and insincerity), I continue to post whatever I decide is relevant. To share with those that may appreciate something not said, but needed to be. Not my experiences only as you nicely limited it to, but of many individuals experiences and observations. I got an idea. You go on and attempt to covertly police other individuals on how they could balance their posts so as to reduce your smart aleck replies and fake judgement, and Ill just continue doing my thing when I feel like offering some feedback. Yeah, I kinda like that better.
See Frannie. Thats why I like to think inside of my OWN head instead of allowing others to tell me how I'm supposedly thinking, or how I'm supposedly conveying my perspective as negative things blah blah blah etc.
People like yourself and Mr O-ver sensitive, disregard what's positive depending on who is posting. Yall do that shit on the regular. But complain or get taken back when people attack your posts. You've demonstrated that quite well in the past, not just towards me but other posters as well. Most times, I shot all of the bullshit down. So since I know what I'm dealing with (dishonsty and insincerity), I continue to post whatever I decide is relevant. To share with those that may appreciate something not said, but needed to be. Not my experiences only as you nicely limited it to, but of many individuals experiences and observations. I got an idea. You go on and attempt to covertly police other individuals on how they could balance their posts so as to reduce your smart aleck replies and fake judgement, and Ill just continue doing my thing when I feel like offering some feedback. Yeah, I kinda like that better.I don't attack people's posts, I just offer a different point of view if I think there is a side that is perhaps not being told. I don't mind at all if people disagree with me, as long as they show some evidence or anecdote that counteracts what I say. But take this issue of the preponderance of New Yorkers in Sosua. Coupe has given us his observations based on some conversations he had with people who complained about "too many" New Yorkers, and based on his own observations. You have also reported your observations that the tourists who fly into Sosua for a few days come from all over the US, and not specifically from New York. You can't both be 100% right, but you are both reporting what you have seen and experienced. Personally I have not made any effort to discover where most of the guys come from and I appreciate both of you for your observations. I am not sure what you mean by "fake judgment". If I have a piece of information I will post it if it does not affect the privacy of someone else. For example if someone says the last bus from Santo Domingo to Sosua leaves at 9:00 p.m. and It think the last bus leaves at 7:30, I will post a link to the published schedule so that people who might plan on taking the bus can verify for themselves. They don't have to take my word for it..
Have a nice weekend with your novia!
WRX 2005, thanks for your comments about my report which were really interesting. I appreciate what you said about the new jacks moving in, and their relationships with the older chicas. That seems to make sense and would explain a lot. Also appreciate your details about their lives, their kids, boyfriends, families etc, some of which I knew from experience and from other mongers. but you explained it all very well.
Re. me saying the black guys are from New York and my lack of correct terminology for Rap, Hip Hop etc. When I first came to Sosua in 2011 I had no idea where any American's there came from, white, black or otherwise. However a few black Americans there NOT from New York told me they didn't really like being in Sosua because they felt out of place because almost all the American guys (black and otherwise) in Sosua were from the New York area. This was news to me! I have talked subsequently to loads of black American guys in Sosua, guess what, they are almost all from New York or nearby (New Jersey etc). Hence my generalisations! Re. the music, when I was in Rumba bar, most noticeably over the Superbowl weekend, it was totally dominated by these guys, and they all seemed to love the Hip Hop / Rap etc which was the only thing playing. So that explains my generalisation for this connection between them and the music scene in Rumba bar. Sure, of course many non-blacks like this music too, but not many of them can be seen in Rumba bar these days, that's all I am saying. And I can very easily tell the difference between American black guys and Dominican black guys (and Dominican's pretending to be American !). I speak pretty good Spanish and have been here many times since 2011. That's the problem with reporting here, if you generalise you will get into trouble, but if you go into massive detail or over political correctness, you won't make your point clearly and a report will be too preachy!
You are welcome. You have a keen eye for the POSITIVE. .
I fully understand how you may have arrived at those conclusions, assumptions or generalizations. But those are limited to what you were exposed to. Even a majority of black guys from New York or nearby in Rumba at any given time doesn't mean everybody black in there gets classified as a New Yorker and that said music is a New Yorker type vibe.
What happens if a bunch of black guys from Baltimore, Chicago, LA, Atlanta, and Philly come to Rumba and spread out with the New Yorkers? All listening to the same music in the Venue. How would you classify them? How would you distinguish where one guy is from, from another? Rumba is a pretty big venue. I can't imagine, anyone having the opportunity to walk around to interview every black guy in the place.
The main point I'm trying to make is, that the music played is not soley NewYorker music, and there are blacks / people from all over listening to the same music. The Djs are playing the music, not the New Yorkers. LOL When you saw chicas gravitating towards some black guys, and those guys you saw were the New York guys you spoke to, don't look at it as the chicas favor New York guys. Look at what those guys are doing to attract those chicas attention. Usually, its spending money, their dress and their persona. Another consideration. Many of the chicas sitting with those black guys already met or seen those chicas at the beach. I'm a witness to a lot of that. So what you may see is a follow up from what may have happened earlier in the day or week. Enough guys invite repeat chicas over to drink.
All in all, a lot of dudes, no matter where they come from, they like to do like they do back home (wherever home is). Spend money hoping to enjoy themselves. Enough guys don't go by any elses monger code. They do what they feel like doing. If they are there for only a few days, its more likely they are going to throw caution to the wind and spend money like its going out of style. And try to fuck 2 or 3 times in one day. My conversations with enough guys is they don't like coming SBW because its too crowded, and because they know the chicas will have higher expectations for $$ And don't be mislead, there are more than enough white guys overpaying in Sosua. You can bet money, those chicas didnt go with them because they were from NY or because they heard them playing or singing HIP HOP or rap. LOL
More than enough white guys walking out with dates from Rumba, Classico or wherever are paying some of those chicas up to and over $100. Surely I'm hoping they are also getting some of the credit for any shortage of desirable chicas to choose from? The chicas are gravitating to where the money is flowing moreso, not where you are from or your ethnicity.
I don't attack people's posts, I just offer a different point of view if I think there is a side that is perhaps not being told. I don't mind at all if people disagree with me, as long as they show some evidence or anecdote that counteracts what I say. But take this issue of the preponderance of New Yorkers in Sosua. Coupe has given us his observations based on some conversations he had with people who complained about "too many" New Yorkers, and based on his own observations. You have also reported your observations that the tourists who fly into Sosua for a few days come from all over the US, and not specifically from New York. You can't both be 100% right, but you are both reporting what you have seen and experienced. Personally I have not made any effort to discover where most of the guys come from and I appreciate both of you for your observations. I am not sure what you mean by "fake judgment". If I have a piece of information I will post it if it does not affect the privacy of someone else. For example if someone says the last bus from Santo Domingo to Sosua leaves at 9:00 p.m. and It think the last bus leaves at 7:30, I will post a link to the published schedule so that people who might plan on taking the bus can verify for themselves. They don't have to take my word for it..
Have a nice weekend with your novia!I think you do attack peoples posts. In covert sort of underhanded ways. Those you did it to, may not speak up, but I've read it. Hey, you think I often post negative blah blah blah. I say you attack certain peoples posts. I see you don't appreciate being judged. Why is that? If you dish it, you need to acknowledge you are going to get what you put out there coming back.
On another note, you claim you don't mind if people disagree with you as long as they show some evidence or anecdote that counteracts what you said. I know for a fact that is some issue deflecting horseshit. As far as I'm concerned, I don't recall you disagreeing with me, only distorting and making up what you thought you understood. I don't classify that as a disagreement. The problem you possess in this forum isn't about disagreeing with you. The issue with you is you go out of your way to pick out pieces of what people say, distort the information, what its intent was and conjure up some contrived version of what was conveyed and intended. So if a person chooses to, now they are engaging in a circular, non productive exchange with you. All for nothing. There is no attempt from you to know the other parties POV. Clarity and understanding is NOT your goal when you attack.
Coupe and I can both be right if one puts each perspective in its proper context. Which is not one of your strong suites. I can and am willing to see where something may be true to whom or where it applies, and not assume wrongly without seeking correction or confirmation. Thats where you fail miserably. I can only guess you are like that because you can't help it when certain posts don't flow according to your sensitivities.
I think you do attack peoples posts. In covert sort of underhanded ways. Those you did it to, may not speak up, but I've read it. Hey, you think I often post negative blah blah blah. I say you attack certain peoples posts. I see you don't appreciate being judged. Why is that? If you dish it, you need to acknowledge you are going to get what you put out there coming back.
On another note, you claim you don't mind if people disagree with you as long as they show some evidence or anecdote that counteracts what you said. I know for a fact that is some issue deflecting horseshit. As far as I'm concerned, I don't recall you disagreeing with me, only distorting and making up what you thought you understood. I don't classify that as a disagreement. The problem you possess in this forum isn't about disagreeing with you. The issue with you is you go out of your way to pick out pieces of what people say, distort the information, what its intent was and conjure up some contrived version of what was conveyed. So if a person chooses to, now they are engaging in a circular, non productive exchange with you. All for nothing. There is no attempt from you to know the other parties POV. Clarity and understanding is NOT your goal when you attack.
Coupe and I can both be right if one puts each perspective in its proper context. Which is not one of your strong suites. I can and am willing to see where something may be true to whom or where it applies, and not assume wrongly without seeking correction or confirmation. Thats where you fail miserably. I can only guess you are like that because you can't help it when certain posts don't flow according to your sensitivities.
The issue with you is you go out of your way to pick out pieces of what people say, distort the information, what its intent was and conjure up some contrived version of what was conveyed.Not at all. I usually quote the passage I am responding to just so as to make it easier for the reader to see what I am responding too. And I do try to understand what the person is saying, even if they use long winded convoluted language like some posters I can think of. For example in a recent post you used the term "new jack" to describe some chicas. I thought I knew what this meant, but I looked it up in the Urban Dictionary anyway and found definitions like "an individual whos new to a scene who may or may not really be into it, as in they may or may not be a poseur but are still ridiculed for being a late comer.
A new jack can also be some one who all of a sudden became "interested" in a scene and the next day dress as best they can to fit into the scene. This seemed different from the way you used it, but at least you provided your own definition of the term as meaning. "
NEW Jacks. Meaning, enough of them are generation X type females. They are less likely to be domesticated type females. " But the usual meaning of Generation X is the generation born after the baby boomer generation, from the 60's to the 70's. So are we talking about women in their 40's and 50's, or is there a new jack generation X that are the grand daughters of generation X? And they have children, but they don't know how to change a Pamper or cook or keep house, because someone else does it for them??Beats me.
Anyway, show me the posts where I call people rude or sarcastic names or used offensive language! OK I called Mr. E. Professor E, but that is about it.
You are welcome. You have a keen eye for the POSITIVE. .
I fully understand how you may have arrived at those conclusions, assumptions or generalizations. But those are limited to what you were exposed to. Even a majority of black guys from New York or nearby in Rumba at any given time doesn't mean everybody black in there gets classified as a New Yorker and that said music is a New Yorker type vibe.
What happens if a bunch of black guys from Baltimore, Chicago, LA, Atlanta, and Philly come to Rumba and spread out with the New Yorkers? All listening to the same music in the Venue. How would you classify them? How would you distinguish where one guy is from, from another? Rumba is a pretty big venue. I can't imagine, anyone having the opportunity to walk around to interview every black guy in the place..So you want to say that all the white guys over paying the chicas?
It be mostly black guys or even the most guys from the USA who have let rise up the price and over paying because they are used to pay 200-300 $ for a short fuck and they can't believe that they can get a girl for less a chica the whole night or even day and so they pay them 100 $ for all night and be happy that it is so cheap for them. Before all the guys from the US come to Sosua it was normal to pay 1000-1500 DOP for all night or even the whole day. So don't say the white guys over paying the chicas.
And I agree with you about the motoconcho drivers. I would like to understand thought how they became as aggressive and disrespectful to the tourists as they have, maybe we are too easy pickings? There is really no logic for them to shout 'Motoconcho' at you. If you want one, you can just ask for one! Them asking you aggressively is a form of intimidation and pressure to take one, which I can only assume many people have succumbed to, otherwise, why would they still do it? My tactics vary from saying 'No thanks, no, blanking them, why?, I heard you, I am not deaf, I am going 50 metres, no thanks I have legs, no thanks I am not fat or lazy! Maybe if more people talked back to them like I do, they would be more polite! Maybe their success is because the majority of the tourists are from the US? A country where walking is not favored, as like in the DR.
Over this month several times I have even seen the motoconcho guys having really nasty aggressive shouting matches among themselves at the corner opposite the ice cream parlour and along Pedro Clisante near the Europa hotel; pushing for position, arguing about money and shouting at eachother to get lost! Personally, unless you have mobility problems I think these guys should be banned from taking people around the centre. The authorities should think about legislating on them, instead of all their dumb harassing of the working girls. Cutting their numbers by half would be a good start!
I haven't really had any trouble form hustlers or touts, I think they know where I will tell them to go! I really can't comprehend tourists walking along who allow young guys to just latch onto their group, they should be told 'where to go' firmly, and maybe they will try to find a more constructive way to get on with their lives. I know that sounds harsh but helping them does nothing to help with this country's problems.
By the way I was with 7 chicas over my month, 3 of them several times, which is about my average. Most were great! I have the phone numbers and Facebook of most of them. Obviously they aren't worried about me seeing their friends, family members etc if they do that. A few I will definitely make sure to meet again!Coupe, if you notice just about everybody hustling in Sosua is repetitive towards people they target. The change guys, the motos, the beggars, the chicas, etc.
I used to play around with the idea that they all went to the same University, and took classes in tourism. That maybe they learned that if you keep repeating yourself, you'll eventually wear out your target and get them to concede. More realistically, hustlers are very intuitive when it comes to reading people. What you see and get are them using tried and true methods in attempting to get what they want. They know they can't get everybody to break down. But if they can get 10 out of 100 that serves the purpose.
What can an individual do to deal with or counter that? Be just as repetitive and persistent as they are. Give them a taste of their own medicine. Then, let exposure, time and repetition do the work. See? We are constantly being observed and watched. Everybody is studying their prey so to speak. Once your repetitive and persistent counter habits are established you will be harassed a lot less. Adopt the mannerisms of chicas. Do you see chicas respond to motos, touts, beggars and vendors anywhere? For the most part NO. Chicas ignore all of that. If they have a cell phone there head is usually buried into that. They are not targeted simply because they are locals or perceived to be poor. The chicas don't pay them no mind. Their behavior and body language towards the offenders somewhat reduces them from being targeted.
Its more of a challenge being a tourist, but I can assure you a simple no gracias, with little to no eye contact can get reduce being targeted. Now as far as their persistence going away instantly? Forget it. Its going to take time, exposure and persistence. What I mean by exposure? They need to see enough of you to know they arent going to get anywhere or anything out of you. Where there is no benefit, they don't have a use for you. Its like telling a chica you have no money. The moment she realizes you have no money, nothing to give, that you are cheapy cheapy, she's ghost. You won't be pestered any further. You come off weak, saying shit like, maybe later, or getting into explaining why you don't need or want something, you can bet you have just opened yourself up to continue to be approached.
There is this short, old looking lady that walks the strip begging. Sometimes with her daughter (I think). I saw her with a dominican man one day. The man came up to me asking me for change. She came right behind him and told him in spanish, that I live here blah blah blah. That stopped him dead in his tracks, and he moved on. Point being, how you are perceived is going to affect how you are approached. I dont give her money. But I speak to her when spoken to. She gets nothing from me. So Im less a target. The key is to mitigate some of what you get by how you carry yourself. Obviously if you are here on vacation, you can't hide that fact. They will always go after somebody they think is on vacation or a tourist. You can't change them or their approach, but you can adjust your behavior and your attitude so you are affected by it a lot less. Time, exposure and persistence may pay off.
I still get asked for a moto every now and then, but more and more of the motos see me driving my own transpo. When they yell out hey, moto or whatever I keep my eyes straight and focused on where I'm going. If I'm at a restaurant chilling with my friends, and beggars and vendors come by to interrupt, we generally keep talking like they arent there. Pause, say no gracias and keep talking. We don't turn our attention to them, or repeat ourselves. Within a few seconds they get the idea, and move on. When they come back later or the next day, we repeat. One has to get used to the idea, their behavior may not stop entirely. That is their livelyhood. And they have won the battle before by being persistent. Another thing is, when a vet or person who lives there is in mixed company, the vendors, touts and beggars go after the newbies or those they think they stand a chance of getting them to bite. They will ignore the vets or expat sitting nearby. So its important to get to the point of letting them perceive you the same as the vet or the expat who lives there.
Good luck.
Anyway, show me the posts where I call people rude or sarcastic names or used offensive language! OK I called Mr. E. Professor E, but that is about it.I got a better idea! You show me the posts where my offerings are only negative, nothing positive. You do that, and you got a deal. Since we both know that won't happen, lets just conclude this little charade.
How much do cabs charge for trip to sosua from airport. I will be flying in and wondered if 20 bucks was the norm. This price has been offered I wondered if this the norm.
How much do cabs charge for trip to sosua from airport. I will be flying in and wondered if 20 bucks was the norm. This price has been offered I wondered if this the norm.That would be 25 from the taxi stand and 15-20 if your chica hires the cab from town - her (cousins).
How much do cabs charge for trip to sosua from airport. I will be flying in and wondered if 20 bucks was the norm. This price has been offered I wondered if this the norm.$20 is average, and quite acceptable by most, $25 is what some may try to get you to pay.
Coupe, if you notice just about everybody hustling in Sosua is repetitive towards people they target. The change guys, the motos, the beggars, the chicas, etc.
I used to play around with the idea that they all went to the same University, and took classes in tourism. That maybe they learned that if you keep repeating yourself, you'll eventually wear out your target and get them to concede. More realistically, hustlers are very intuitive when it comes to reading people. What you see and get are them using tried and true methods in attempting to get what they want. They know they can't get everybody to break down. But if they can get 10 out of 100 that serves the purpose..Now you are talking sense. This is why I have no problem with motoconcho drivers: they know who I am, they know where I live, they know how much I will pay for a ride, and so on. They will carry me if I ask them, but they don't go crazy trying to recruit me. Now if people are new tourists in town, it is much more likely that they will be unfamiliar with the routine, have no change in their pocket and will end up overpaying, perhaps 100 pesos for a ride that should be 35. That is why the motoconchos are at the Caribbe tours bus stop in Charamicos yapping like a pack of dogs--they want you so they can charge extra for your bag and take you to your hotel or apartment at double the normal fare if it is late at night, plus double again for the bag. When you ride on a motoconcho you always need to state your destination, tell the driver how much you are going to pay, and have the right change, or ask him in advance if he has change. Of course if you don't speak Spanish, you are screwed.
$20 is average, and quite acceptable by most, $25 is what some may try to get you to pay.Supply and demand. The price posted on the board outside the airport is $25 This is for up to 4 passengers plus baggage, $20 is 900 pesos and you might get someone to take you for that amount if they think they won't get a better fare.
Or else you can do what Tempoecorto did on his first arrival at POP, which was to walk outside the airport and catch a publico taxi for less than $1. Another alternative is to take a motoconcho from under the tree in the parking lot upper level. It will cost you more than the publico or guagua, but a lot less than the tourist taxi. Or if you want to go hybrid, get a moto to the highway, then a publico or guagua. The permutations are endless. Or get a chica to meet you outside the airport with her cousin driving a car he is repairing for a neighbor. Or get a rental car guy from to meet you at the airport, then when you get back to the office tell him you forgot your drivers license and lost your credit card.
Lets engage a little bit. You say I use my own experiences, not as opinions, but as THE definitive view on what goes down there.
My questions to you is, among the dozens that post here what critics are you talking about? Your assessment? Is that your own experience with me, your opinion or is that THE definitive view on what is going on with what I post? My point being, all of what you are saying is moot. How did you come to that conclusion, without consulting me on what my POV represents to me? Here is where you can see why I think you are delusional. If I ask you how you arrived at that conclusion, you can't and won't do it. Instead you will resort to telling how something appears to you. Well my friend. Ow something appears is not fact. If you can't explain it, its useless and baseless allegations.
Next you say I denigrate others more positive experiences by using stereotypical language to describe my own experiences, as IF they are ALL dishonest, badly behaved, untrustworthy and so on.
Now see, this is where I would consider you delusional and a liar. Number one, whenever I describe individuals to who the info applies to, I use SOME, ENOUGH, MANY, and if it applies MOST. There is NO ALL. You just admitted the folly in your assessment by staing I'm saying something as IF they are ALL. I never said ALL of any group. My O-ver sensitive friend. Your assessment is a by product of you assimilating information wrongly, and coming up with your own interpretation of what it meant to you. So its my fault you can't read the words, SOME, MANY, ENOUGH to indicate I'm not speaking about ALL of any group? Doing so negates the idea of what is being conveyed is simply negative. Its valuable information to whom it may concern. That might be where I started thinking you were stupid, because you kept doing that even though I advised you about that habit awhile back. You rather go with how something sounds AS IF. Like how you feel represents reality instead of how information was actually presented? And you wonder why I continually use phrases like You can only think in one head, and where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit. The problem is within you, and people who assimilate information like you. Emotionally. Take responsibility for that.
Your assessment is a by product of you assimilating information wrongly, and coming up with your own interpretation of what it meant to you. So its my fault you can't read the words, SOME, MANY, ENOUGH to indicate I'm not speaking about ALL of any group? No, no, no! It is your responsibility as a writer to make your point as clearly as possible, anticipate any ambiguities and head them off, and to make life easy for your reader.
You are writing for a worldwide readership, some of which may not speak English as a first language. A phrase like "Generation X" has an accepted meaning that one can look up in various places. If you choose to use it in a way that means something to you, but nothing to anyone else, then you need to explain it.
If you say that a lot of the newest chicas on the scene that you are running into these days are deciding to start families with Dominican guys with whom they have an ongoing relationship, and at the same time say that they are not "domesticated", you need to explain what you mean, because it seems contradictory and is not obvious to anyone but yourself who is taking care of these children. OK. They might leave the children with mother and travel to Sosua to make money to send, but why have kids with a Dominican in the first place if that is what you want to do? If you could add in a few vignettes describing chicas you have met and how you were surprised by their lack of domestic skills, or that they left their Dominican boyfriend and kids at home while they went out whoring with tourists and what they said about that, or how you found out about it, then your meaning would be much clearer and it would be much more interesting, because you would be revealing how Dominican individuals function in their various roles.
No, no, no! It is your responsibility as a writer to make your point as clearly as possible, anticipate any ambiguities and head them off, and to make life easy for your reader.
You are writing for a worldwide readership, some of which may not speak English as a first language. A phrase like "Generation X" has an accepted meaning that one can look up in various places. If you choose to use it in a way that means something to you, but nothing to anyone else, then you need to explain it.
If you say that a lot of the newest chicas on the scene that you are running into these days are deciding to start families with Dominican guys with whom they have an ongoing relationship, and at the same time say that they are not "domesticated", you need to explain what you mean, because it seems contradictory and is not obvious to anyone but yourself who is taking care of these children. OK. They might leave the children with mother and travel to Sosua to make money to send, but why have kids with a Dominican in the first place if that is what you want to do? If you could add in a few vignettes describing chicas you have met and how you were surprised by their lack of domestic skills, or that they left their Dominican boyfriend and kids at home while they went out whoring with tourists and what they said about that, or how you found out about it, then your meaning would be much clearer and it would be much more interesting, because you would be revealing how Dominican individuals function in their various roles.No Frannie I beg to differ. How do we know a message isn't clear enough for the masses? It is your responsibility as a reader to make sure you get a clear understanding before assuming wrongly and going off on a tangent addressing things having nothing to do with the intent of the writer. There is no way one person can meet the expectations of dozens of individuals who may all interpret something conveyed differently.
The truth is, only a select few have demonstrated a problem when the truth is they have a problem with the poster moreso than the message. Lets be clear on that. Its usually people who are too emotionally attached to the information. Let me ask you this. If you have a problem with something being clear, then why arent you consistently asking for clarity 1st before assuming wrongly? I already know the answer. Because your approach to discourse on the board is more like an alligator lurking in shallow water. When I gave a summation of my experience at the Bourbon Street restaurant, with info about the food, the ambiance, the good stuff with the staff, you were quite silent. Well there was much positive, but you don't have much to say when that happens. For some reason that info must have been crystal clear, but if I talk about something else then suddenly its negative and suddenly unclear to you? Is a lack of clarity really the issue here? Naw Frannie, you dont focus on the positive, the content or the intent, or its value to whom it may concern, you consistently look to nit pick for the negative.
In fact much of what people post. You don't address their positive as much as you look for something they said in which you can nit pick at.
So if I thought for a minute that you were ever genuinely interested in being clear in an exchange, it would have born its fruit by now. You get clarity if you seek clarity.
Ya know Frannie, you made me think about something. Kinda funny actually. For some reason when I pinpoint exactly my assessment and/or interpretation of your participation / representation on these boards, you never claim you need clarity. LOL. You may say, you don't know what something means that was said. But you don't or won't ask for clarity or an explanation. Why is that if you think I have a clarity problem? Instead you demonstrate by your responses you know exactly what was meant. Meaning, I dont think its ever about you arent clear about whats posted, the intent or the content, its something else you are focusing on. Now, if you would or could only keep things in their proper context when its not about you, can you see how much better our exchanges would be?
So you want to say that all the white guys over paying the chicas?
It be mostly black guys or even the most guys from the USA who have let rise up the price and over paying because they are used to pay 200-300 $ for a short fuck and they can't believe that they can get a girl for less a chica the whole night or even day and so they pay them 100 $ for all night and be happy that it is so cheap for them. Before all the guys from the US come to Sosua it was normal to pay 1000-1500 DOP for all night or even the whole day. So don't say the white guys over paying the chicas.The following is what I said.
"don't be mislead, there are more than enough white guys overpaying in Sosua. You can bet money, those chicas didn't go with them because they were from NY or because they heard them playing or singing HIP HOP or rap. LOL.
More than enough white guys walking out with dates from Rumba, Classico or wherever are paying some of those chicas up to and over $100. Surely I'm hoping they are also getting some of the credit for any shortage of desirable chicas to choose from? The chicas are gravitating to where the money is flowing moreso, not where you are from or your ethnicity. ".
You put your glasses on? Did you read ALL white guys somewhere? If you notice I didn't say ALL when it came to black guys either. Now you tell me. WTH do the words MORE THAN ENOUGH mean to you in the english language? Does more than enough white guys translate into ALL the white guys are overpaying? Not where I sit. This is why I think sometimes I'm in THE TWILIGHT ZONE. SOME muggs really can't read, and come at me with their twisted, distorted conclusions of what they thought they read? Frannie? How more plain does a mugg have to be for the reading impaired? Thats not my responsibility to train people on how to read.
Since what I posted went over your head sir, let me break it down. I was trying to convey to bro Coupe that white and black guys alike are both overpaying chicas. And that may need to be factored into the reason why the desirable chicas are going with them, and not those not flowing the money. That its not necessarily about where these guys are from, their ethnicity or what music they listen to. You got that now? So lets not read anymore foolishness or have any more knee jerk reactions that somebody is claiming ALL of any group. As far as who over pays more, that's debatable. That wasnt my issue. Appears to be yours. Does it make a difference? Were ALL men.
Since this was your mistake, what is your response?
Some of you guys need to get a room and slug things out!
So you want to say that all the white guys over paying the chicas?
It be mostly black guys or even the most guys from the USA who have let rise up the price and over paying because they are used to pay 200-300 $ for a short fuck and they can't believe that they can get a girl for less a chica the whole night or even day and so they pay them 100 $ for all night and be happy that it is so cheap for them. Before all the guys from the US come to Sosua it was normal to pay 1000-1500 DOP for all night or even the whole day. So don't say the white guys over paying the chicas.I'm anxious to hear some commentary from others on what this poster is claiming. That its mostly black guys or most guys from the USA who let the price rise and overpay.
He said before the black guys came it was normal to pay 1000-1500 for all night or the whole day. Is he right? Are the prices mostly reflective of black guys or guys from the USA?
I'm anxious to hear some commentary from others on what this poster is claiming. That its mostly black guys or most guys from the USA who let the price rise and overpay.
He said before the black guys came it was normal to pay 1000-1500 for all night or the whole day. Is he right? Are the prices mostly reflective of black guys or guys from the USA?Somewhere, back in the forum is a post explaining in detail why the price has gone up and will continue to go up. To summarize, because I'm busy, it's a combination of inflation and the exchange rate. When corrected for the 2 factors, the actual cost, in local purchasing power remains the same.
So you want to say that all the white guys over paying the chicas?
It be mostly black guys or even the most guys from the USA who have let rise up the price and over paying because they are used to pay 200-300 $ for a short fuck and they can't believe that they can get a girl for less a chica the whole night or even day and so they pay them 100 $ for all night and be happy that it is so cheap for them. Before all the guys from the US come to Sosua it was normal to pay 1000-1500 DOP for all night or even the whole day. So don't say the white guys over paying the chicas.Poster, let me throw this out at you. At the time there were very few black guys, what exactly was the exchange rate then? 30 to 1? 32 to 1?. 37 to 1? That means $100 got you less pesos than it does today. At 32 to 1, $100 was about 3200 pesos. $50 was 1600 pesos.
Today the rate is over 45 to 1. What is 3200 and 1600 pesos today? About $71 and $35 respectively. You think the evolution of chicas in the game, knowing the exchange rate has risen from the 30's to over 45 to 1 is going to stay stuck at getting 1000-1500 for all night or all day?
You blaming black guys and USA guys for Blackbeards and Field of Dreams letting the prices rise? How about the restaurants? Whose responsible for letting the prices go up? The rise of salaries, food, rent, hotels, airfare, taxis? Are mostly black guys and / or USA guys to blame for that too?
At present a guy can still get a chica toda la noche for 3000 (or less). Thats about $67. When the exchange rate was 37 to 1, 3000 pesos was about $81.
So if you ask me, the prices have not gone up that much. If anything, quality of services have gone down. What may have increased significantly is certain vets and expats fear of their paradise being invaded and having to share it. Especially when they are on a fixed income. I have definitely been a witness to a few Sosua vets complaining about NEW Yorkers (code words for black guys) fucking up the game. No consideration for changing times, inflation or the evolution of pay for play, or the chicas needs.
Now mind you, I observe a lot of men (of any ethnicity) wining and dining women . Which to me is unnecessary. That practice could be considered driving up prices as well. But I also know I don't own this paradise. I'm just a participant. Just because I may not like how others are spending their money, doesn't mean I need to waste energy complaining about it. I do what I got to do to get mine. If a dude is not part of the strong he is going to get ignored and suffer in misery. So a dude gets in where he fits, or gets left in the dust. On average I pay my regulars 2200 (sometimes less, sometimes more) for all night, and I get my place cleaned, served my meals, and an occasional pedicure and a massage. Thats less than $50 or no more than $60. Imma SAY IT LOUD, I'm BLACK AND I'm PROUD! LOL.
Somewhere, back in the forum is a post explaining in detail why the price has gone up and will continue to go up. To summarize, because I'm busy, it's a combination of inflation and the exchange rate. When corrected for the 2 factors, the actual cost, in local purchasing power remains the same.Thank you dude. I wish I saw your post before I posted mine. I kinda touched on what you said.
No Frannie I beg to differ. How do we know a message isn't clear enough for the masses? It is your responsibility as a reader to make sure you get a clear understanding before assuming wrongly and going off on a tangent addressing things having nothing to do with the intent of the writer. There is no way one person can meet the expectations of dozens of individuals who may all interpret something conveyed differently.
The truth is, only a select few have demonstrated a problem when the truth is they have a problem with the poster moreso than the message. Lets be clear on that. Its usually people who are too emotionally attached to the information. Let me ask you this. If you have a problem with something being clear, then why arent you consistently asking for clarity 1st before assuming wrongly? I already know the answer. Because your approach to discourse on the board is more like an alligator lurking in shallow water. When I gave a summation of my experience at the Bourbon Street restaurant, with info about the food, the ambiance, the good stuff with the staff, you were quite silent. Well there was much positive, but you don't have much to say when that happens. For some reason that info must have been crystal clear, but if I talk about something else then suddenly its negative and suddenly unclear to you? Is a lack of clarity really the issue here? Naw Frannie, you dont focus on the positive, the content or the intent, or its value to whom it may concern, you consistently look to nit pick for the negative.
In fact much of what people post. You don't address their positive as much as you look for something they said in which you can nit pick at.
So if I thought for a minute that you were ever genuinely interested in being clear in an exchange, it would have born its fruit by now. You get clarity if you seek clarity.I gave you some suggestions that would improve the clarity of your reports, but you ignored them. Like I say, giving examples of actual situations that arose that led you to make your conclusions about "Generation X" and so on would help, instead of just dealing out abstractions. Give us examples of chicas you met who decided to have a child and an ongoing relationship with a Dominican and yet also decided to work in the sex industry. I know of one who was my neighbor, and she did not want me to know she was working at Kristal nightclub in Puerto Plata, but I saw her coming home early one morning in her makeup and glad rags, having left her husband at home minding the three kids. Obviously he knew what she was doing, but I guess they needed the money as they seemed to be a pretty stable couple and were sending one of their children to a private school. She also had a full time daytime job, and so did he. Very attractive woman, though I never had the pleasure.
I gave you some suggestions that would improve the clarity of your reports, but you ignored them. Like I say, giving examples of actual situations that arose that led you to make your conclusions about "Generation X" and so on would help, instead of just dealing out abstractions. Give us examples of chicas you met who decided to have a child and an ongoing relationship with a Dominican and yet also decided to work in the sex industry. I know of one who was my neighbor, and she did not want me to know she was working at Kristal nightclub in Puerto Plata, but I saw her coming home early one morning in her makeup and glad rags, having left her husband at home minding the three kids. Obviously he knew what she was doing, but I guess they needed the money as they seemed to be a pretty stable couple and were sending one of their children to a private school. She also had a full time daytime job, and so did he. Very attractive woman, though I never had the pleasure.Here's the deal. When I posted about new Jacks and generation X types, I was addressing Coupe66 specifically. Did you happen to notice he acknowledged and appeared to grasp what I was saying? Did he appear confused or need further clarification on those terms? No he didn't. It wasnt necessary. You know why? Those terms were just to make a distinction between vet chicas and the chicas with less time in the game. Sometimes people use common colloquial terms while expressing a thought. As long as you understood what was meant in the overall message, that is what is important. Not trying to look for a way to take away from the overall message. He seemed to acknowledge the totality of the post, got the gist and understood most of what I was conveying.
You on the other hand were not the main receiver in that post. You decided you needed to nit pick at certain words, and focus on that. Instead of accepting the point of the post. I didn't see anybody else claim they werent clear on what was conveyed. So once again, if you are sincerely interested in clarity because you have a comprehension problem with the info, the fruit would bear that. Since I know that isn't the case, I don't need to follow your suggestions, because your interest in clarity is phony.
ShoeStrngBgt
03-07-16, 05:47
I don't think I have much new to report, but here goes a few nuggets:
1) I am not into sport fucking; I typically go for one girl a night, TLN only. This has its pluses and minuses as the climate has definitely turned.
Against this mentality. I have only been going to Sosua for a few years, I never knew the feeling of the "old Sosua" that some of you describe.
But the trend seems to be for girls wanting to maximize the number of clients in a day; I certainly do not blame them as they are just catering.
To the demand (I would do the same thing if I were in their shoes). There still is fun to be had, but the change even from a few years ago is.
Very noticeable. As a result it is getting more and more difficult to find decent arrangements, I had to go back to contacting chicas from previous.
Visits to ensure the best outcome.
2) Since I only do TLN, the fun is finding things to do in the daytime. The best in my opinion is the 27 waterfall tour (if you want to go cheap.
And experience the whole 27 take a publico to Puerta Plata, go to the javilla tour bus station, tell them 27 charcos and they will let you off at.
The stop). I make sure that I do this once every trip to the north coast. I also did snorkeling on the beach, the cable care ride in Puerta Plata.
And zip lining (kind of a ripoff in my opinion) for fun. These were followed by a late afternoon or early evening sleep period, dinner and then.
Hitting the different clubs.
3) I arrived on Monday and left Saturday morning, for me this was entirely too much time. Going forward I do not think it is worth it for me.
Anyway to spend more than 2-3 nights there. I think I had more fun earlier in the week when it was less crowded; the crowds do certainly.
Pick up as the week progresses.
4) People have been saying the costs are increasing; this is certainly the case if you are looking for the highest quality in the looks department.
I had more than a few not budge from the 4,000 pesos TLN late at night figure, only to see them go off with others. The more average to.
Above average chicas can still be had in the 2,500 - 3,000 TLN rate (and probably are much more fun).
5) I did some bouncing around to different beach bars per usual, they still are not seeing an increase from the cruise ship. This should come.
As a surprise to nobody.
6) My next trip I think I will spend more time in Santiago. I was only there one night but the quality for absolutely great.
So you want to say that all the white guys over paying the chicas?
It be mostly black guys or even the most guys from the USA who have let rise up the price and over paying because they are used to pay 200-300 $ for a short fuck and they can't believe that they can get a girl for less a chica the whole night or even day and so they pay them 100 $ for all night and be happy that it is so cheap for them. Before all the guys from the US come to Sosua it was normal to pay 1000-1500 DOP for all night or even the whole day. So don't say the white guys over paying the chicas.Wow those mostly black guys or even most guy from the USA. Are uses to paying $200-$300 for a short fuck! Is that something you know or something you are saying. I was born in NY but raised in the sound. I was raised on Hip in the 80's. I know the difference in Hip Hop music from the north, mid west, west and the durty durty south influences. I have been coming to Sosua frequently with my NJ and GA crew all most monthly for 3 yr. As an man of American descent I can point out clicks from different areas? I met a lot. For the life of me I can't tell you much they have been paying for short fucks prior to Sosua. Hell I can't tell you how much anyone is going to pay that night. How did you conduct your survey (or maybe you used the force)? While you where walking around pocket watching and dick checking how did I miss your survey each and every time?
No, no, no! It is your responsibility as a writer to make your point as clearly as possible, anticipate any ambiguities and head them off, and to make life easy for your reader.That's not the intention.
Without belaboring the point, ambiguity is the friend of the dissembler. It allows one to be all things to all people.
Wow those mostly black guys or even most guy from the USA. Are uses to paying $200-$300 for a short fuck! Is that something you know or something you are saying. I was born in NY but raised in the sound. I was raised on Hip in the 80's. I know the difference in Hip Hop music from the north, mid west, west and the durty durty south influences. I have been coming to Sosua frequently with my NJ and GA crew all most monthly for 3 yr. As an man of American descent I can point out clicks from different areas? I met a lot. For the life of me I can't tell you much they have been paying for short fucks prior to Sosua. Hell I can't tell you how much anyone is going to pay that night. How did you conduct your survey (or maybe you used the force)? While you where walking around pocket watching and dick checking how did I miss your survey each and every time?Maybe it's just a function of budget, not ethnic demographics. Guys with lots of money will spend more than others on a tight budget?
I sometimes travel with a buddy who finds pussy so cheap down there, compared to taking the family to a 5 star in Cancun, that what he pays is less of an issue for him than getting satisfaction. By the standards here he overpays, but to him it's worth it!
Me, I have to watch my budget.
I don't think I have much new to report, but here goes a few nuggets:
1) I am not into sport fucking; I typically go for one girl a night, TLN only. This has its pluses and minuses as the climate has definitely turned.
Against this mentality. I have only been going to Sosua for a few years, I never knew the feeling of the "old Sosua" that some of you describe.
But the trend seems to be for girls wanting to maximize the number of clients in a day; I certainly do not blame them as they are just catering.
To the demand (I would do the same thing if I were in their shoes). There still is fun to be had, but the change even from a few years ago is.
Very noticeable. As a result it is getting more and more difficult to find decent arrangements, I had to go back to contacting chicas from previous.
Visits to ensure the best outcome.
4) People have been saying the costs are increasing; this is certainly the case if you are looking for the highest quality in the looks department.
I had more than a few not budge from the 4,000 pesos TLN late at night figure, only to see them go off with others. The more average to.
Above average chicas can still be had in the 2,500 - 3,000 TLN rate (and probably are much more fun).
Some folks don't like to hear it, but what you are witnessing is a reality for enough guys. ENOUGH chicas are into a business and economic mindset, rather than into building a customer base or relationship. Even if a guy gets a chica to do TLN there is an increasing trend of chicas that don't live up to the expectations there customers are hoping for. Even if a guy takes a chica for ST, and tries to feel her out for a possible TLN, he may have a rude awakening with her whack attempt at sex in morning. Or no sex because her body is like a slab of concrete. Or her deciding she needs to leave early, but demands TLN payment.
Wow those mostly black guys or even most guy from the USA. Are uses to paying $200-$300 for a short fuck! Is that something you know or something you are saying. I was born in NY but raised in the sound. I was raised on Hip in the 80's. I know the difference in Hip Hop music from the north, mid west, west and the durty durty south influences. I have been coming to Sosua frequently with my NJ and GA crew all most monthly for 3 yr. As an man of American descent I can point out clicks from different areas? I met a lot. For the life of me I can't tell you much they have been paying for short fucks prior to Sosua. Hell I can't tell you how much anyone is going to pay that night. How did you conduct your survey (or maybe you used the force)? While you where walking around pocket watching and dick checking how did I miss your survey each and every time?Not sure if I got this right? But I think he's referring to what a guy would pay back in the states. Like maybe at a strip club, Las Vegas, or some Backpage hookup. He may not know what they pay personally, but I get his point that guys are used to paying much more back home, then come to the DR and pay $100. Hes upset that they are supposedly driving up the price by freely paying $100 just because theyre used to paying $200-300 elsewhere.
The thing is, this guy probably has blinders on. He would never factor in or acknowledge all of the non blacks and non Americans that are sending WU, setting chicas and their families up in apartments, paying for businesses, buying them cars, putting them through school, maintaining their bills and expenses, wifing them up and taking them to their countries. Were talking thousands of dollars here. Kinda makes $100 that them USA guys, black guys are supposedly paying look like chump change in comparison, don't it?
However like you said. Who really knows exactly how much each individual is paying? This guy has it all figured out.
Wow those mostly black guys or even most guy from the USA.BTW you know I'm a detail oriented kinda guy, right? See? The poster didn't have to say mostly black guys and then say mostly USA guys to make his point. He could have just said most guys from the USA. But the thing is, hes not so much concerned with guys from the USA as much as he is specifically targeting black guys. The additional mention of mostly USA guys was a smokescreen to mask his prejudice and / or disdain for people unlike himself. So when you start off saying, its mostly black guys, then add its mostly guys from the USA you've just told on yourself. Yup! BUSTED!
The guys I see are from up and down the East coast including the Atl. Guys are having good clean fun with an occasional dum ass thrown in. On my last trip there was a crew of guys not sure from where. Close to 10 guys who go out one night all dressed in white with girls they had met also in white. They were in heaven. In truth as a successful person Sosua gives me an outlet I could not replicate in the states with my 6 figure income. I am going back in a month a am chumping at the bit.
I plan to hit some light bright Santiago chicas for some reason I have not been giving them any time lately. I assume they are stuck up. Personal prejudice. The last one I had I sent her back because of her attitude.
BTW you know I'm a detail oriented kinda guy, right? See? The poster didn't have to say mostly black guys and then say mostly USA guys to make his point. He could have just said most guys from the USA. But the thing is, hes not so much concerned with guys from the USA as much as he is specifically targeting black guys. The additional mention of mostly USA guys was a smokescreen to mask his prejudice and / or disdain for people unlike himself. So when you start off saying, its mostly black guys, then add its mostly guys from the USA you've just told on yourself. Yup! BUSTED!
The guys I see are from up and down the East coast including the Atl. Guys are having good clean fun with an occasional dum ass thrown in. On my last trip there was a crew of guys not sure from where. Close to 10 guys who go out one night all dressed in white with girls they had met also in white. They were in heaven. In truth as a successful person Sosua gives me an outlet I could not replicate in the states with my 6 figure income. I am going back in a month a am chumping at the bit.
I plan to hit some light bright Santiago chicas for some reason I have not been giving them any time lately. I assume they are stuck up. Personal prejudice. The last one I had I sent her back because of her attitude.Maybe its just me, but I have not heard any concern or sentiments from black guys complaining of white guys imposing on their turf or fucking up the game. But I have heard enough whites and a few black guys blame black guys for ruining Sosua. Quite often they are categorized as New Yorkers, no matter where they came from.
Last summer my pretend GF was working PT at a bar. Not sure what ethnicity most of these white folks were at this bar, but this one guy tried to stop me from sitting down after I got my drink. There was one bar stool between us. The other waitress (dominican) who was happy to see that I stopped by to see her amiga working, told the guy it was okay. The guy stood up, said rather begrudgingly, "I guess that's the way it goes". Then he heads inside and plants himself at the bar. Apparently he couldn't stomach having to sit next to a black guy. Conversely a white lady sitting across from me was friendly and communicative. She looked a little miffed at that guys reaction.
So you want to say that all the white guys over paying the chicas?
It be mostly black guys or even the most guys from the USA who have let rise up the price and over paying because they are used to pay 200-300 $ for a short fuck and they can't believe that they can get a girl for less a chica the whole night or even day and so they pay them 100 $ for all night and be happy that it is so cheap for them. Before all the guys from the US come to Sosua it was normal to pay 1000-1500 DOP for all night or even the whole day. So don't say the white guys over paying the chicas.I don't really have an opinion as to whether this is true or not, but I do wonder whether guys who travel in groups are more likely to pay more so as to impress each other with their largesse, or more likely to pay less due to peer pressure in the other direction. Either way, I have to think that peer pressure must have some effect. Perhaps the lone monger is less likely to worry about what mongers think.
In any case, when you think about it, all mongers in a given location at a given hour are in competition with each other for the most attractive companions available in that time and location, even if they don't admit it.
I don't pay for sex in the US, but $200 to $300 is the kind of price you would see on Internet escort advertising in the US, but presumably many DR mongers don't indulge in the US for legal reasons since an arrest for a prostitution related offense can be career fatal to anyone working in education, health, government services, law enforcement, and various other fields like media, etc.
In any case, when you think about it, all mongers in a given location at a given hour are in competition with each other for the most attractive companions available in that time and location, even if they don't admit it.For the most, this is correct. The problem with this competition thing, is some reckless in judgement mongers have a tendency to allow their frustration and / or disgust to limit blame to only one perceived group for undesirable changes in chicas, the p4 p game and Sosua. You can be considered a culprit, just by looking like someone in that group. They don't have to know how you operate as an individual or how you spend your money. As long as they know or assume you are from "so and so", you are guilty as charged.
Maybe its just me, but I have not heard any concern or sentiments from black guys complaining of white guys imposing on their turf or fucking up the game. But I have heard enough whites and a few black guys blame black guys for ruining Sosua. Cultural differences! Prostitution is frowned upon in white society, and it would be practically impossible to put together a group to travel for that purpose without someone spilling the beans. I was in a restaurant in Sosua, a little away from the center, in the company of two women and three small children. Two guys were at the next table with two chicas, and straddling them on restaurant chairs and dry humping in between courses. They obviously didn't see anything wrong with it. They were on a prostitution vacation in a prostitution town, so why not? Other ethnic groups find this openness about prostitution, even in front of children, to be offensive. It is just a different point of view.
Quite often they are categorized as New Yorkers, no matter where they came from.As far as Dominicans are concerned there are only two places in the US, Miami and Nueve York, so if you are not from one, you are from the other.
Last summer my pretend GF was working PT at a bar. Not sure what ethnicity most of these white folks were at this bar, but this one guy tried to stop me from sitting down after I got my drink. There was one bar stool between us. The other waitress (dominican) who was happy to see that I stopped by to see her amiga working, told the guy it was okay. The guy stood up, said rather begrudgingly, "I guess that's the way it goes". Then he heads inside and plants himself at the bar. Apparently he couldn't stomach having to sit next to a black guy. Conversely a white lady sitting across from me was friendly and communicative. She looked a little miffed at that guys reaction.Maybe he thought you were gay. Who knows? He probably had no problem fucking a black chica.
ReadyToGetOnIt
03-08-16, 00:20
After being MIA for so long nice to see your back bro.Glad to see you back, bro.
Your statement that protitution is more frowned on by white folk is horse chit. Blacks attend church more and tend to be very conservative when comes to many social issues gay marriage and overt sexual exposure. Not sure where you get this stuff from I am attributing it to your age.
Tempoecorto
03-08-16, 03:04
Your statement that protitution is more frowned on by white folk is horse chit. Blacks attend church more and tend to be very conservative when comes to many social issues gay marriage and overt sexual exposure.Last trip, I met a man of about my age at a WU in Sosua, queuing up, like me, to exchange dollars. He had two other guys with him accompanying. After a bit of conversation, he pointed to one man, saying it was his son. I literally fell off my chair.
In any case, when you think about it, all mongers in a given location at a given hour are in competition with each other for the most attractive companions available in that time and location, even if they don't admit it.I know you said it Frannie, and you might believe it to be true. But basic economic theory says that is not the case. It's only true if in that particular bar, in that particular hour, there is more demand for pussy than there is supply. I never read that anyone said there was not enough pussy in the bar to choose from. And for your assertion that every monger is looking for the most attractive pussy available. On this point, I'll stipulate and say it's true. But that still does not necessarily lead to increased demand. Because the pussy you think is attractive is not going to be same pussy another monger in the bar finds attractive.
Furthermore it's Sosua. I have never been there. But, from what I have read, one single bar is not the market for pussy in Sosua. Every individual in search of pussy has the ability to look for other opportunities within the market. Nor can one specific group make a profound change in the market unless they are in the majority. In order for that condition to occur in the market it would mean that the majority of men visiting Sosua are from a specific racial group and geographic area. That is simply is not true. And to say otherwise is simply to reveal the biases that we know exist and continue to be exhibited to this day.
Are you are interested in the real reasons why prices in Sosua might be going up? I would go back to one of WRX's early posts were he spoke about collusion amongst the market players on the supply side. It may be as simple as one chica saying to another chica: "Hey girl, you shouldn't accept less than X amount of money for your sexual services". If course if I heard that conversation in Spanish I wouldn't have understood it. Because my command of the language is not really that good. LOL.
Now for my rant: If anyone feels that the price for anything is too high, all they have to do is not buy, save their pennies longer, or get off of their lazy ass, put in some work and make more money. If you live in the fucking United States of America and after paying for your plane ticket, hotel and food you don't have enough money to fuck, then it's your own damn fault! Rant concluded. LOL.
Cultural differences! Prostitution is frowned upon in white society, CLARITY TIME! Would you mind providing examples of this generalization? Because it looks like one of those "abstractions" you were talking about.
As far as Dominicans are concerned there are only two places in the US, Miami and Nueve York, so if you are not from one, you are from the other.We can let that one fly. Its more humor than fact. Funny, you'd think all of the dominicans, especially chicas asking "where you from" they would know more than Miami and Nueve York.
Maybe he thought you were gay. Who knows? He probably had no problem fucking a black chica.Typical. I come to see a chica I'm obviously involved with, and another waitress is making me comfortable for her amiga, and all you can come up with is he may have thought I was gay?. Maybe he thought I was black, and he's got a problem with black men or Americans. Of course you would never concede to that possibility. That would'nt be your MO. But limiting choices to what suites you, that is.
Glad to see you back, bro.Its good to be back!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGaoA3ytUNA
Your statement that protitution is more frowned on by white folk is horse chit. Blacks attend church more and tend to be very conservative when comes to many social issues gay marriage and overt sexual exposure. Not sure where you get this stuff from I am attributing it to your age.I doubt whether many of the guys who travel in groups to Sosua are informing their churches of the purpose of travel. And they are not marrying other men, so what is the relevance of that?
I do not know anyone whom I would dare to invite to accompany me to Sosua to participate in prostitution, because the invitation could backfire if the person disapproved and lead to my reputation being tarnished, and I would never trust them not to speak to someone, even if casually, yet I see many groups traveling to Sosua together where the risk of being exposed must be incredibly high if there are several people in the group, and some members of this board have spoken of traveling with other family members who are mongers. I ever even mention to anyone that I have a home near Sosua, I would always say Puerto Plata, simply because someone might Google Sosua and find something that says it has a reputation for sex tourism. I would never mention anything about prostitution to anyone who even knew a family member of mine, in case someone got an idea.
And yet I remember a post on this board a couple of years ago when a member reported that at his departure airport in the US, TSA employees (presumably AA) were advising members of his group to use condoms for their trip to the DR. I would go nuts if a federal government employee made assumptions like that about my reason for travel, even as a joke, and spoke to me in that manner. I would want them fired. In fact I do always have other legitimate reasons for travel, but even so, I would not tolerate it. That is what I mean by casual acceptance of prostitution.
So I do not think it has anything to do with senility.
CLARITY TIME! Would you mind providing examples of this generalization? Because it looks like one of those "abstractions" you were talking about.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-sex-trade-let-men-have-their-say/16891#. Vt4_u9 A-vwo.
http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000120
CLARITY TIME! Would you mind providing examples of this generalization? Because it looks like one of those "abstractions" you were talking about.
We can let that one fly. Its more humor than fact. Funny, you'd think all of the dominicans, especially chicas asking "where you from" they would know more than Miami and Nueve York.
Typical. I come to see a chica I'm obviously involved with, and another waitress is making me comfortable for her amiga, and all you can come up with is he may have thought I was gay?. Maybe he thought I was black, and he's got a problem with black men or Americans. Of course you would never concede to that possibility. That would'nt be your MO. But limiting choices to what suites you, that is.Staff and wire reports.
Published: October 1, 2015.
People who solicit prostitutes will face tougher penalties and repeat offenders could wind up in prison for years under a new Florida law that goes into effect today.
St. Petersburg police announced Thursday that the agency will start enforcing the new law in an effort to curb prostitution in the city.
Paying for sex will become a first-degree misdemeanor for a first offense instead of a second-degree misdemeanor. A second offense would be a third-degree felony, punishable by up to five years in prison, and a third offense would be a second-degree felony, punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
First offenders would also have to take a course on the dangers of prostitution and perform 100 hours of community service. And judges will be forced to sentence repeat offenders to at least 10 days in jail.
Also, if a vehicle is used while soliciting prostitution, a judge can issue an order impounding the vehicle for up to 60 days.
The law should be a deterrent for those who seek who seek prostitutes, according to a release from the St. Petersburg Police Department. The crime encourages drug addiction, [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and related crimes which affect the quality of life of law abiding citizens and the prosperity of local businesses, the release said.
- See more at: http://www.tbo.com/news/crime/st-pete-police-ready-to-enforce-new-prostitution-laws-20151001/#sthash. SY2 vK9 NG. Dpuf.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-sex-trade-let-men-have-their-say/16891#. Vt4_u9 A-vwo.
http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000120I asked for clarity about white society supposedly frowning on prostitution. What in all of that you posted is about white society exclusively? Forget the links, just substantiate your own "abstraction"? And while you are at it, please give me the address to where white society is located? GPS coordinates is acceptable.
So I do not think it has anything to do with senility.Don't be so quick to discount that. Your comment about white society frowning on prostitution was made to something you quoted from me. Your response was like you were responding to a post in another forum. Because the information doesn't match or address what I said.
Let me show you.
WRX2005.
Maybe its just me, but I have not heard any concern or sentiments from black guys complaining of white guys imposing on their turf or fucking up the game. But I have heard enough whites and a few black guys blame black guys for ruining Sosua.Now this is you:
Cultural differences! Prostitution is frowned upon in white society, and it would be practically impossible to put together a group to travel for that purpose without someone spilling the beans. I was in a restaurant in Sosua, a little away from the center, in the company of two women and three small children. Two guys were at the next table with two chicas, and straddling them on restaurant chairs and dry humping in between courses. They obviously didn't see anything wrong with it. They were on a prostitution vacation in a prostitution town, so why not? Other ethnic groups find this openness about prostitution, even in front of children, to be offensive. It is just a different point of view.Your statement don't have jack to do with what I said? Totally off in left field somewhere.
I asked for clarity about white society supposedly frowning on prostitution. What in all of that you posted is about white society exclusively? Forget the links, just substantiate your own "abstraction"? And while you are at it, please give me the address to where white society is located? GPS coordinates is acceptable.Northern Ireland has recently made buying sex a criminal offense, that is about as white a place as you will ever find. I was there in the summer of 1997 and by sheer coincidence Eusebio, a black Portuguese soccer player who was one of the heroes of the 1966 World Cup and who died recently was there at the same time. Let's put it this way, he stood out in a crowd.
http://www.gridreference.ie/ Making something a criminal offense is about as much stigma as any act can get, if you can be sent to prison for it.
Mr Enternational
03-08-16, 06:01
The law should be a deterrent for those who seek who seek prostitutes, according to a release from the St. Petersburg Police Department. The crime encourages drug addiction...and related crimes which affect the quality of life of law abiding citizens and the prosperity of local businesses, the release said.What the what? Frannie you have been getting hookers for quite a long time. You must be addicted to drugs by now. And what are these vague "related crimes" that you are participating in because of it?
If the buyer is entitled to all of this, then what is in it for the seller?
I doubt whether many of the guys who travel in groups to Sosua are informing their churches of the purpose of travel. And they are not marrying other men, so what is the relevance of that?
I do not know anyone whom I would dare to invite to accompany me to Sosua to participate in prostitution, because the invitation could backfire if the person disapproved and lead to my reputation being tarnished, and I would never trust them not to speak to someone, even if casually, yet I see many groups traveling to Sosua together where the risk of being exposed must be incredibly high if there are several people in the group, and some members of this board have spoken of traveling with other family members who are mongers. I ever even mention to anyone that I have a home near Sosua, I would always say Puerto Plata, simply because someone might Google Sosua and find something that says it has a reputation for sex tourism. I would never mention anything about prostitution to anyone who even knew a family member of mine, in case someone got an idea.
And yet I remember a post on this board a couple of years ago when a member reported that at his departure airport in the US, TSA employees (presumably AA) were advising members of his group to use condoms for their trip to the DR. I would go nuts if a federal government employee made assumptions like that about my reason for travel, even as a joke, and spoke to me in that manner. I would want them fired. In fact I do always have other legitimate reasons for travel, but even so, I would not tolerate it. That is what I mean by casual acceptance of prostitution.
So I do not think it has anything to do with senility.It sounds as if you're basing your assumption on too narrow of a perspective, just your own. I'm right in the middle of the white fundamentalist bible belt. Just a few years ago, sitting around at work, 2 co-workers, both white and conservative, were making plans for a trip to Vegas, including plans for picking up prostitutes. No worries about it. More recently, I stopped in to see how everyone was doing (I changed jobs) and had a discussion with several white friends about the p4 p options in Toronto and about my trips to the DR and Colombia. The one black guy in the room couldn't believe we would discuss such things like that, although he did mention a desire to visit the DR.
This isn't universal. I know someone who I'm certain has paid for quite a lot of tail, particularly in Las Vegas, but it's a subject we can never discuss.
In Sosua the groups may be mostly black, but other destinations you'll find more white groups, or Indian, or Chinese groups. There's really no difference in the acceptance of prostitution based on race or country. It only seems that way because you are basing the white viewpoint on your own and basing the black viewpoint on the groups you see in Sosua.
Are you are interested in the real reasons why prices in Sosua might be going up? I would go back to one of WRX's early posts were he spoke about collusion amongst the market players on the supply side. It may be as simple as one chica saying to another chica: "Hey girl, you shouldn't accept less than X amount of money for your sexual services". If course if I heard that conversation in Spanish I wouldn't have understood it. Because my command of the language is not really that good. LOL..There's no logic in that.
One of the reasons I love Sosua, is that compared to the over regulated and government controlled society I live in, they are relatively free to engage in trade, sex, food, liquor, whatever, without going through reams of regulations and paperwork, which keep our lawyers in mansions and yachts.
It's the closest thing to free enterprise, and a free market society, that I have ever seen.
It's the marketplace that sets the prices, supply and demand. No group of transient chicas has either the power to "set prices", (or even the discipline to stick to them).
In reality the prices are set as much by the mongers as the putas. And, a good part of that influence is economic conditions in the USA, Canada, and Europe, which affects the number of visitors.
Or even a Super Bowl weekend. :)
Northern Ireland has recently made buying sex a criminal offense, that is about as white a place as you will ever find. I was there in the summer of 1997 and by sheer coincidence Eusebio, a black Portuguese soccer player who was one of the heroes of the 1966 World Cup and who died recently was there at the same time. Let's put it this way, he stood out in a crowd.
http://www.gridreference.ie/ Making something a criminal offense is about as much stigma as any act can get, if you can be sent to prison for it.Again What does Northern Ireland recently making buying sex a criminal offense have to do with my statement that you quoted and responded to below, with you talking about white society frowns on prostitution? Your statement above don't match or address what I was talking about. You aint even tying it into the issue being about Sosua and its participants. You are WAY OUT in Northern Ireland someplace?
My statement:
Maybe its just me, but I have not heard any concern or sentiments from black guys complaining of white guys imposing on their turf or fucking up the game. But I have heard enough whites and a few black guys blame black guys for ruining Sosua.You realize you done fell so deep down a slippery slope you going to need divine intervention in order to get you out. There really should be a foolishness checker built in, like they have spell checker. Or, whenever a response doesnt match the quote one is responding to, the forum rejects it until it matches. I feel kinda bad for you and your feeble attempts trying to hang in there like nothing is wrong. I wish I could delete your offering for you and we start over. LOL.
WAY OUT! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YYLh5zbA7U.
And yet I remember a post on this board a couple of years ago when a member reported that at his departure airport in the US, TSA employees (presumably AA) were advising members of his group to use condoms for their trip to the DR. I would go nuts if a federal government employee made assumptions like that about my reason for travel, even as a joke, and spoke to me in that manner. I would want them fired. In fact I do always have other legitimate reasons for travel, but even so, I would not tolerate it. That is what I mean by casual acceptance of prostitution.
So I do not think it has anything to do with senility.For otherwise happily married men who have a "reputation" to protect, it is wise to refer to trips to Puerto Plata rather than Sosua.
All curious folks have to do is YouTube Sosua and it is there in all it's seedy glory.
I'm single and known as an inveterate traveller and I always wanted to go to Bangkok to check it out, but I was imagining being on a plane for 14 hours, with 300 other old gray haired mongers like me, who everybody on the plane knew why they were going. Mothers on the plane would be gathering their children around them to keep them safe from the perceived "pervs".
I know in this day and age of global travel, that is nonsense, but that thought, together with the the great option of Sosua keeps me away.
For otherwise happily married men who have a "reputation" to protect, it is wise to refer to trips to Puerto Plata rather than Sosua.
All curious folks have to do is YouTube Sosua and it is there in all it's seedy glory.
I'm single and known as an inveterate traveller and I always wanted to go to Bangkok to check it out, but I was imagining being on a plane for 14 hours, with 300 other old gray haired mongers like me, who everybody on the plane knew why they were going. Mothers on the plane would be gathering their children around them to keep them safe from the perceived "pervs".
I know in this day and age of global travel, that is nonsense, but that thought, together with the the great option of Sosua keeps me away.Well, exactly. Even when I am in Sosua I have known people who live in Sosua express surprise that I am interested in the mongering scene. Exactly how I preserve this image, I am not sure, but I prefer to keep it that way. No, I am not morbidly obese, or one-legged, or conspicuous in any way. Though it is very interesting that although Sosua is well known as a prostitution destination (see youtube) , there are plenty of foreigners resident there who are not involved in that scene at all, or if they are they keep it extremely discreet.
You can never be really sure if someone at the airport is a monger or not. (Even groups of people on the plane could be missionaries or business people.) But there have been studies of statistics on passengers arriving in Thailand from overseas and from the number of single male travelers it is possible to roughly calculate the overall percentage who are there for the sex trade.
Again What does Northern Ireland recently making buying sex a criminal offense have to do with my statement that you quoted and responded to below, with you talking about white society frowns on prostitution? Your statement above don't match or address what I was talking about. You aint even tying it into the issue being about Sosua and its participants. You are WAY OUT in Northern Ireland someplace?
My statement:
You realize you done fell so deep down a slippery slope you going to need divine intervention in order to get you out. There really should be a foolishness checker built in, like they have spell checker. Or, whenever a response doesnt match the quote one is responding to, the forum rejects it until it matches. I feel kinda bad for you and your feeble attempts trying to hang in there like nothing is wrong. I wish I could delete your offering for you and we start over. LOL.
WAY OUT! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YYLh5zbA7U.No, it is you who cannot see the wood for the trees.
Are you are interested in the real reasons why prices in Sosua might be going up? I would go back to one of WRX's early posts were he spoke about collusion amongst the market players on the supply side. It may be as simple as one chica saying to another chica: "Hey girl, you shouldn't accept less than X amount of money for your sexual services".My friend, Frannie is no stranger to knowing chicas need for money. He used to constantly remind me way back about chicas needing to pay for daycare, food, school, so on and so forth. As a vigilant crusader for the interests and concerns of chicas he is fully aware chicas expenses must have gone up over the years.
After all how does he suppose they are going to pay for their hair, tattoos, cell phones, 5 inch high heels, their lodging in Sosua or Charimicos, pay rent back where they come from, upkeep their chulos, maintain their families, motos and other transpo? All of those expenses have gone up. So it makes sense chicas would have devised other ways to keep up with inflation where it affects them directly.
Raising the price is one way. Sport fucking as many clients as possible is another. Getting with clients at 2 am and leaving at 8 and calling that TLN for 3k and up ( getting meals, a warm bed and a shower ), is still another. Flipping the script and demanding more money. Stealing in a dudes room and or pick pocketing him on the street or in the venue (Rumba etc). Asking for shit they already have, then selling it to get the money. That commonly involves multiple recipients getting the same request.
While out on patrol in Sosua hooos get tired and need a break. They got to eat too. They may be thirsty or need a cigarette break. So if they cant get guys to buy meals, drinks or other refreshments while they are working towards their next customer, that expense comes out of their purses.
There's no logic in that.
One of the reasons I love Sosua, is that compared to the over regulated and government controlled society I live in, they are relatively free to engage in trade, sex, food, liquor, whatever, without going through reams of regulations and paperwork, which keep our lawyers in mansions and yachts.
It's the closest thing to free enterprise, and a free market society, that I have ever seen.
It's the marketplace that sets the prices, supply and demand. No group of transient chicas has either the power to "set prices", (or even the discipline to stick to them).
In reality the prices are set as much by the mongers as the putas. And, a good part of that influence is economic conditions in the USA, Canada, and Europe, which affects the number of visitors.
Or even a Super Bowl weekend. :)Mr. Oakie,
Your comments simply reinforced my original idea. That no one ethnic / racial or geographical group can set or be the cause of the perception that pussy prices are increasing in Sosua. But you fail to acknowledge the lack of logic behind the statements of the posters of this board that are attributing the increase in pussy prices to "Black guys from New York". Why is that? Might it be because you share those views?
No, it is you who cannot see the wood for the trees.You said it was your responsibility as the writer to make yourself understood. I'm telling you, you failed. And I did my part by asking for clarity, as it is my responsible as the receiver to make sure I know where you are coming from in relation to something you quoted from me. Obviously you arent going to do your part. Like I said before. Your interest in clarity is Phony.
Mr. Oakie,
Your comments simply reinforced my original idea. That no one ethnic / racial or geographical group can set or be the cause of the perception that pussy prices are increasing in Sosua. But you fail to acknowledge the lack of logic behind the statements of the posters of this board that are attributing the increase in pussy prices to "Black guys from New York". Why is that? Might it be because you share those views?I don't know how you came to that suspicion.
I have a history of posting here that has always rejected stereotyping of people based on their ethnic backgound, white, black or in between.
Women go with mongers for money, and might charge more to a guy with bad hygiene, grey hairs coming out of his nose and ears or ass, but money does not discriminate.
Any ethnic group being responsible for increased prices is a non starter.
But any "party group" big enough can temporarily affect prices, as in Bundechleague, or World Cup Soccer, A Mike Tyson fight, Superbowl, and so on.
Just the market in action.
(I may be biased because I know a couple of NJ weekend warriers, I know and like).
I have a history of posting here that has always rejected stereotyping of people based on their ethnic backgound, white, black or in between.
Women go with mongers for money, and might charge more to a guy with bad hygiene, grey hairs coming out of his nose and ears or ass, but money does not discriminate.
Any ethnic group being responsible for increased prices is a non starter.
Just the market in action.Exactly Mr. Oakie,
It is simply the market in action. When I'm in Las Vegas I like to play Craps. I can play Craps at a $3 minimum table during the week. But on Thursday that $3 minimum table becomes a $10 minimum table. Guess what? I don't play. I keep my money in my pocket and find something else to do with my time.
Just my reaction to the market in action.
Exactly Mr. Oakie,
It is simply the market in action. When I'm in Las Vegas I like to play Craps. I can play Craps at a $3 minimum table during the week. But on Thursday that $3 minimum table becomes a $10 minimum table. Guess what? I don't play. I keep my money in my pocket and find something else to do with my time.
Just my reaction to the market in action.Good stuff:
I can only guess what "something else to do with my time" can refer to :)
Tempoecorto
03-09-16, 02:10
Last trip, I met a man of about my age at a WU in Sosua, queuing up, like me, to exchange dollars. He had two other guys with him accompanying. After a bit of conversation, he pointed to one man, saying it was his son. I literally fell off my chair.Without getting into value judgment, I will have to agree with Frannie's contention, that each ethnic group (or perhaps linguistic group) has its own way of dealing with sexuality. I would never dream of bringing my son on a trip to Sosua, just the way, I would not think of going there with "friends" even though I have helped people with women I know there. Sex is too personal a thing.
Parkinsons
03-09-16, 14:31
Without getting into value judgment, I will have to agree with Frannie's contention, that each ethnic group (or perhaps linguistic group) has its own way of dealing with sexuality. I would never dream of bringing my son on a trip to Sosua, just the way, I would not think of going there with "friends" even though I have helped people with women I know there. Sex is too personal a thing.http://youtu.be/6kiUjCceqd0
Well this documentary will challenge your perceived notion of race and gender vis-a-vis mongering.
British (white) woman has been a frequent traveler (sex tourist) to Turkey with her kids. Her teenage daughter was getting pissed at mom, having to babysit her toddler brother. She wanted in on the action! Happily she did get her own light brown boy toy.
http://youtu.be/6kiUjCceqd0
Well this documentary will challenge your perceived notion of race and gender vis-a-vis mongering.
British (white) woman has been a frequent traveler (sex tourist) to Turkey with her kids. Her teenage daughter was getting pissed at mom, having to babysit her toddler brother. She wanted in on the action! Happily she did get her own light brown boy toy.Interesting. These people are what would be called "trailer trash" in the US. They are likely living in government subsidized housing and living off government benefits and child support. Probably not paying the Turkish guys much other than a few meals, a few drinks and free sex.
Interesting. These people are what would be called "trailer trash" in the US. They are likely living in government subsidized housing and living off government benefits and child support. Probably not paying the Turkish guys much other than a few meals, a few drinks and free sex.It is well known that the number of female sex tourists worldwide is almost equal in number to that of their male counterparts; its just that its less frowned upon. The women visit destinations where its known that the men are well-endowed. Destinations in Africa and the Caribbean are popular. With reference to Turkey, it is a very popular destination for Russian female sex tourists.
http://youtu.be/6kiUjCceqd0
Well this documentary will challenge your perceived notion of race and gender vis-a-vis mongering.
British (white) woman has been a frequent traveler (sex tourist) to Turkey with her kids. Her teenage daughter was getting pissed at mom, having to babysit her toddler brother. She wanted in on the action! Happily she did get her own light brown boy toy.OK, I have now watched the whole thing, or at least had it running in the background while I was doing some other tasks.
Not quite as represented as one gets into the story, because these women were looking for love rather than paying for sex acts per se, and while they were pretty cynical about love, and realize that the young guys were only in it for what they could get, they were also quite vulnerable. One woman (Terrie, age 50) came home almost in love and talking about a guy who had never asked her for a cent and who wanted to marry her. But as soon as she arrived home he texted her and asked for 1200 Euros.
The other main character, Debbie, the one whose daughter went along, was all gung ho before the trip, but by the end was saying it was the worst vacation of her life and "I need another fucking vacation to get over this one". Debbie is a hotel chambermaid. In fact the postscript to the documentary said that not long afterwards she decided to return to her husband. The teenage girl returned a few months later and her Turkish boyfriend proposed marriage to her. Not sure what the long term outcome was for the young couple.
Pretty good documentary, worth watching.
OK, I have now watched the whole thing, or at least had it running in the background while I was doing some other tasks.
Not quite as represented as one gets into the story, because these women were looking for love rather than paying for sex acts per se, and while they were pretty cynical about love, and realize that the young guys were only in it for what they could get, they were also quite vulnerable. One woman (Terrie, age 50) came home almost in love and talking about a guy who had never asked her for a cent and who wanted to marry her. But as soon as she arrived home he texted her and asked for 1200 Euros.
The other main character, Debbie, the one whose daughter went along, was all gung ho before the trip, but by the end was saying it was the worst vacation of her life and "I need another fucking vacation to get over this one". Debbie is a hotel chambermaid. In fact the postscript to the documentary said that not long afterwards she decided to return to her husband. The teenage girl returned a few months later and her Turkish boyfriend proposed marriage to her. Not sure what the long term outcome was for the young couple.
Pretty good documentary, worth watching.Not really sure who was exploiting whom here. The women using young Turkish men for convenient sex and affection, the young Turks exploiting the vulnerability of these women for financial gains of various kinds, although not usually payent for sex acts, or the TV company, which presumably paid these women for their participation or at least gave them a free vacation, in exchange for exposing them to public humiliation.
Needless to say, I would never participate in a TV documentary on mongering, no matter how much free pussy was included.
Me too! Wait a minute. Is that SubCmdr counting pesos. With your chica rotation (2 main 3 quickies) how will you get the extra time to spend.That's right GrownMan! I count my pesos. How else could I play "Santa Claus" or let the girls "rummage through my bank account" without going bankrupt? Having enough time is tough. I need a clone. My thoughts: "I regret that I have but one dick to give to my girls. ".
Some one asked for a good place In Puerto Plata for Bachata dancing and pickup of chic I do not frequent Puerto Plata.
Some one asked for a good place In Puerto Plata for Bachata dancing and pickup of chic I do not frequent Puerto Plata.Kviar Disco is your best bet in Puerto Plata.
Some one asked for a good place In Puerto Plata for Bachata dancing and pickup of chic I do not frequent Puerto Plata.Somebody asked me too.
I told him to ask Charles Pooter?
Tempoecorto
03-10-16, 23:29
Well this documentary will challenge your perceived notion of race and gender vis-a-vis mongering.This is a documentary paid for by someone and to that extent, it may or may not represent reality. Based on my own ethnic experience (and of course all Indian males are fucking hypocrites, I being no exception), there would be not even an iota of a possibility of going whoring in family. I happen to have had a lot of exposure with the Asian crowd and from Japan to Korea, all the way to Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Indonesia, where I was entertained by local I. E. , ethnic Chinese business people, males do go whoring together, after work but I doubt if it would be done family style. I cannot speak of Mainland China. In my days, Mainland China was still fairly poor to get into such strange gamboling. I also went whoring with Italians, Germans, Norwegians, Dutch and French. In connection with work but again strongly doubt if any would take their children with them. Finally, my Brit, Australian and NZ experience was virginal, I. E, no whoring together at all, strictly business.
Frannie referred to an interesting angle. That of class and I cannot quite ignore it, at least in my ethnic group.
Some one asked for a good place In Puerto Plata for Bachata dancing and pickup of chic I do not frequent Puerto Plata.Then you probably do not know that there is a Puerto Plata thread on this board.
Manizales911
03-11-16, 02:03
Some one asked for a good place In Puerto Plata for Bachata dancing and pickup of chic I do not frequent Puerto Plata.Furgon would be my choice.
This is a documentary paid for by someone and to that extent, it may or may not represent reality. Based on my own ethnic experience (and of course all Indian males are fucking hypocrites, I being no exception), there would be not even an iota of a possibility of going whoring in family. I happen to have had a lot of exposure with the Asian crowd and from Japan to Korea, all the way to Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Indonesia, where I was entertained by local I. E. , ethnic Chinese business people, males do go whoring together, after work but I doubt if it would be done family style. I cannot speak of Mainland China. In my days, Mainland China was still fairly poor to get into such strange gamboling. I also went whoring with Italians, Germans, Norwegians, Dutch and French. In connection with work but again strongly doubt if any would take their children with them. Finally, my Brit, Australian and NZ experience was virginal, I. E, no whoring together at all, strictly business.
Frannie referred to an interesting angle. That of class and I cannot quite ignore it, at least in my ethnic group.Yes, good comments. In fact in the video the two middle aged women had both been married to Turkish guys, and the marriages had fallen through, so they were going out there and dating younger Turkish men. They actually took their whole families, not just adult children, and the 11 year old son of the older woman was extremely unhappy and depressed (sleeping all day) as his mother spent every night away with a Turkish waiter at another hotel, and the other woman was extremely unhappy having to take care of the kid of her friend while her own younger daughter was out dating with a young Turkish guy (not really whoring). Anyway, as the documentary showed, these women were extremely dysfunctional in a variety of ways. The one whose daughter came along was actually rather ashamed of the kind of example she was setting for her daughter. One would actually have to watch the documentary three or four times to pick up on all the nuances of the relationships.
This is another very good documentary about a sex resort on the island of Marguerita off the coast of Venezuela, a bit like Blackbeard's. Interesting because it gives you quite a bit of a chica's eye perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWX1Kyty4b0
This is another very good documentary about a sex resort on the island of Marguerita off the coast of Venezuela, a bit like Blackbeard's. Interesting because it gives you quite a bit of a chica's eye perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWX1Kyty4b0Haha, I ran across this yesterday as well. It was a bit like BBs, but the girls live onsite, and it was an all inclusive / have a girl for 24 hours type of thing. Kind of a sad deal for the chicas because they lived on an island away from their families. That being said, the documentarian definitely had the agenda of showing the resort in the worst possible light. The owner was insane to let them film. I did some research and they were closed down shortly thereafter.
Haha, I ran across this yesterday as well. It was a bit like BBs, but the girls live onsite, and it was an all inclusive / have a girl for 24 hours type of thing. Kind of a sad deal for the chicas because they lived on an island away from their families. That being said, the documentarian definitely had the agenda of showing the resort in the worst possible light. The owner was insane to let them film. I did some research and they were closed down shortly thereafter.I suspect the place was already in financial difficulty, probably behind with the rent, maybe the money received from the filming was the get out money. How did the girl who was fired pay for the taxi to take her away? Film company money, I imagine. Yes, of course the people who make these documentaries have an agenda, and they can very selectively edit their footage to tell the story that they want to tell. Still the part about the guy whose penis had so many warts it resembled a corn on the COB was an interesting, but gross detail that could not have been faked!
And the customers who were featured in the video must have also agreed to filming and possibly been paid for it. Can you imagine?
Still the part about the guy whose penis had so many warts it resembled a corn on the COB was an interesting, but gross detail that could not have been faked!Agreed, that sounded horrifying. And the mamasan's laissez faire attitude with, "We'll talk about it later" was very sad. And dangerous. With those business practices, it's best that they're closed.
Charles Pooter
03-11-16, 19:29
I told him to ask Charles Pooter?I just posted in the Pto Pta thread.
I have question for you guys that been to Sosua and started traveling to other countries.
Where else did you find a similar easy going safe scene with chicas that look just as nice if not better than DR?
I been to Costa Rica a couple times, it was fun but pricier and the scene wasn't as alive.
I'm trying to go somewhere solo that's safe to explore, meaning low crime rate, I understand I'll still have to be street smart anywhere I go.
Strongly considering central & South America, Thailand and Philippines are just too far for a 4-7 night getaway.
Poster, let me throw this out at you. At the time there were very few black guys, what exactly was the exchange rate then? 30 to 1? 32 to 1?. 37 to 1? That means $100 got you less pesos than it does today. At 32 to 1, $100 was about 3200 pesos. $50 was 1600 pesos.
Today the rate is over 45 to 1. What is 3200 and 1600 pesos today? About $71 and $35 respectively. You think the evolution of chicas in the game, knowing the exchange rate has risen from the 30's to over 45 to 1 is going to stay stuck at getting 1000-1500 for all night or all day?
You blaming black guys and USA guys for Blackbeards and Field of Dreams letting the prices rise? How about the restaurants? Whose responsible for letting the prices go up? The rise of salaries, food, rent, hotels, airfare, taxis? Are mostly black guys and / or USA guys to blame for that too?
At present a guy can still get a chica toda la noche for 3000 (or less). Thats about $67. When the exchange rate was 37 to 1, 3000 pesos was about $81..Can you see and read things what I never wrote?
Where I said anything about BB or FD.
And you are the one who blaming white guys and said that most of white guys overpaying the chicas.
So who have start it?
And you example with the exchange rate doesn't work or you pay for everything you need like all in the supermarket from yourself just about you get more Peso now for your Dollars?
I don't think so.
And I don't care about any ethnicity for me count the personality.
And the husband of my sister is a black american so there is no problem for me.
And that it be in South America it be the most time the American who have let rise up the price and overpaying is just what I and many other have seen.
It's the same like in Asia it be Japanese and Korean who let rise up the the price and overpaying.
And the reason is that the most of them just come to mongering for a weekend or maybe a week and don't care for the view days about the money.
WorldTraveler3
03-13-16, 11:22
I'm going to be returning to sosua after some time away I've been exploring Asia and now find find myself enjoying [CodeWord101] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101) (receiving) . Is this something ID be able to get there.
I searched the forum and couldn't find it. I have been to sosua a lot over the last couple of years but I want into this at the time and never it heard it mentioned there so have no.
Information on the subject.
[QUOTE=WorldTraveler3;1851040] I'm going to be returning to sosua after some time away I've been exploring Asia and now find find myself enjoying http://isgprohibitedwords.info ([URL)?CodeWord=CodeWord101][CodeWord101]url] (receiving) . Is this something ID be able to get there.
I searched the forum and couldn't find it. I have been to sosua a lot over the last couple of years but I want into this at the time and never it heard it mentioned there so have no.
Information on the subject.
Okay, all, where the hell do I have to look for Code word translations?
I'm going to be returning to sosua after some time away I've been exploring Asia and now find find myself enjoying (forbidden word)
I searched the forum and couldn't find it. I have been to sosua a lot over the last couple of years but I want into this at the time and never it heard it mentioned there so have no.
Information on the subject.Find a chica, tell her what you want, ask her how much. If that does not work, find another chica, repeat process until successful. Wash and rinse. Launder bed linen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ
Charles Pooter
03-13-16, 16:47
I'm trying to go somewhere solo that's safe to explore, meaning low crime rate, I understand I'll still have to be street smart anywhere I go.The overall national crime rate is not a lot of help. You need to focus on the dangers to single gringos looking for chicas for sex. This tends to vary in inverse proportion to the amount of poverty. For example, I imagine if you went to Venezuela right now, given the economic situation, you would find lots of good-looking chicas available at low prices. But the level of street-crime is horrendous. On the other hand, if you go to Sweden there are many beautiful girls and a low crime level, but prices are very high.
For me, the Dominican Republic still offers the best compromise. The risk of crime is greatly exaggerated. It is crime between Dominicans within the impoverished barrios of Santo Domingo and, to a lesser extent, Santiago which cause the high crime rate.
I was old and feeble when I arrived in the DR ten years ago and I have not got any younger or fitter. For years I explored the barrios of Puerto Plata and the Haitian bateys where gringos are a rarity. I was only once in danger, fortunately from a pair of amateurish muggers who were probably more scared that I was, and that was because I was stupidly doing something I had repeatedly been told not to do. The very opposite of "street smart".
Anyone who is frightened to monger in the DR needs to stay at home and jerk off, or go to somewhere like Blackbeards. A lot of guys recommend Colombia. There are safe areas there. Maybe that is an affordable trip for you?
If you look at countries with overall low crime rates, the cost of mongering is very high.
(First, thanks to admin for directions to the translations page).
(Though considering the topics on this forum, its funny what constitutes "forbidden words".
WorldTraveler3, to your question, I recall years ago, a chica at BB mentioned one client there was asking the chicas for this service, and there seemed to be no problem with it.
Frankly, I think you'd have no problem. Hell, the chica seemed to think compared to some of the oral services some guys wanted, that service had minimal physical demands. (penetration, BBBJ, etc) and sounded like a "piece of cake" to her.
So, if you have the money, I see no problems getting what you want.
(Would suggest buying them lots of beer, first.:) )
(First, thanks to admin for directions to the translations page).
(Though considering the topics on this forum, its funny what constitutes "forbidden words".
WorldTraveler3, to your question, I recall years ago, a chica at BB mentioned one client there was asking the chicas for this service, and there seemed to be no problem with it.
Frankly, I think you'd have no problem. Hell, the chica seemed to think compared to some of the oral services some guys wanted, that service had minimal physical demands. (penetration, BBBJ, etc) and sounded like a "piece of cake" to her.
So, if you have the money, I see no problems getting what you want.
(Would suggest buying them lots of beer, first.:) )Ah, now I get it!
The overall national crime rate is not a lot of help. You need to focus on the dangers to single gringos looking for chicas for sex. This tends to vary in inverse proportion to the amount of poverty. For example, I imagine if you went to Venezuela right now, given the economic situation, you would find lots of good-looking chicas available at low prices. But the level of street-crime is horrendous. On the other hand, if you go to Sweden there are many beautiful girls and a low crime level, but prices are very high.
For me, the Dominican Republic still offers the best compromise. The risk of crime is greatly exaggerated. It is crime between Dominicans within the impoverished barrios of Santo Domingo and, to a lesser extent, Santiago which cause the high crime rate.
I was old and feeble when I arrived in the DR ten years ago and I have not got any younger or fitter. For years I explored the barrios of Puerto Plata and the Haitian bateys where gringos are a rarity. I was only once in danger, fortunately from a pair of amateurish muggers who were probably more scared that I was, and that was because I was stupidly doing something I had repeatedly been told not to do. The very opposite of "street smart".
Anyone who is frightened to monger in the DR needs to stay at home and jerk off, or go to somewhere like Blackbeards. A lot of guys recommend Colombia. There are safe areas there. Maybe that is an affordable trip for you?
If you look at countries with overall low crime rates, the cost of mongering is very high.More words of wisdom from the venerable (a polite term for old and feeble) CP.
Colombia is a bargain right now, with a very favorable exchange rate. However, to find the best mongering opportunities that means either Bogota or Medellin, not exactly the laid back, beach village atmosphere of Sosua.
Can't speak for Medellin, but in Bogota tourists are frequently targeted for both scams and violent crime. Following a few common sense rules will greatly reduce the risk.
Right now might not be the best time for a visit. They are dealing with an insufficient electric supply and Bogota is having daily blackouts.
Ath Trainer
03-13-16, 20:42
I have question for you guys that been to Sosua and started traveling to other countries.
Where else did you find a similar easy going safe scene with chicas that look just as nice if not better than DR?
I been to Costa Rica a couple times, it was fun but pricier and the scene wasn't as alive.
I'm trying to go somewhere solo that's safe to explore, meaning low crime rate, I understand I'll still have to be street smart anywhere I go.
Strongly considering central & South America, Thailand and Philippines are just too far for a 4-7 night getaway.Try St. Martin, Curacao, or Aruba. All, quite safe. Lots of English spoken, us dollars work everywhere, and girls are mostly Colombian or Dominican. Set up is different. St Martin and Aruba, girls work in bars. Curacao is a huge brothel, situated in a old military camp. Prices are slightly higher for the chicas. Curacao is the cheapest of the 3.
Can you see and read things what I never wrote?
Where I said anything about BB or FD.
And you are the one who blaming white guys and said that most of white guys overpaying the chicas.
I can see you are confused. 1st you said, I said ALL white guys overpay. Now you are downgrading, saying I said most white guys overpay. Well which fallacy are you going with? I'm pretty sure I wrote MORE THAN ENOUGH white guys are overpaying. More than enough white guys are overpaying is not saying all or most white guys overpay. Thats why I said you can't read. But you also have a problem grasping context within a total post. Its comical you write with all that attitude behind your words but are too stubborn to admit you misunderstood and exaggerated what you read.
I can see you are confused. 1st you said, I said ALL white guys overpay. Now you are downgrading, saying I said most white guys overpay. Well which fallacy are you going with? I'm pretty sure I wrote MORE THAN ENOUGH white guys are overpaying. More than enough white guys are overpaying is not saying all or most white guys overpay. Thats why I said you can't read. But you also have a problem grasping context within a total post. Its comical you write with all that attitude behind your words but are too stubborn to admit you misunderstood and exaggerated what you read.It doesn't matter you said all or most or like you did white guys overpaying.
If you write white guys overpaying it means all.
And so you say only white guys overpaying.
For sure it gives white guys who overpaying but also black guys or which color ever.
And about the other you don't talk because you know it is the truth.
It doesn't matter you said all or most or like you did white guys overpaying.Of course it doesn't matter, NOW. Thats because YOU made yourself look ridiculous making up something I never said. And I had to mush you in the face with the facts in order for you to get it.
If you write white guys overpaying it means all.Yes I realize that now, in your world. You process information by how it makes you feel. Sort of how you write. Kinda dyslexic like.
And so you say only white guys overpaying.WRONG! Thats a lie. You said I said that. Its time for my saying once again. YOU CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD. I don't think the fucked up DISTORTIONS in your head, in my head. I don't expect you get that but some paying attention, will. I think in my own head and express my thoughts accordingly.
For sure it gives white guys who overpaying but also black guys or which color ever.I'm sure you understood whatever the hell that means. But I aint going to bother.
And about the other you don't talk because you know it is the truth.It has nothing to do with truth in why I never bothered to engage. More correctly, I see what I am dealing with in regards to an incoherent exchange of communication. So its not worth the effort. All it is going to do is make me look like I'm picking on the defenseless and aimless. This here reply to you is probably more than I should have bothered to offer.
Of course it doesn't matter, NOW. Thats because YOU made yourself look ridiculous making up something I never said. And I had to mush you in the face with the facts in order for you to get it.
Yes I realize that now, in your world. You process information by how it makes you feel. Sort of how you write. Kinda dyslexic like.
WRONG! Thats a lie. You said I said that. Its time for my saying once again. YOU CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD. I don't think the fucked up DISTORTIONS in your head, in my head. I don't expect you get that but some paying attention, will. I think in my own head and express my thoughts accordingly.
I'm sure you understood whatever the hell that means. But I aint going to bother.
It has nothing to do with truth in why I never bothered to engage. More correctly, I see what I am dealing with in regards to an incoherent exchange of communication. So its not worth the effort. All it is going to do is make me look like I'm picking on the defenseless and aimless. This here reply to you is probably more than I should have bothered to offer.Professor Wrx. Only last week you were saying that you could write in your private language if you wanted and it was the job of your readers to try to figure out what you meant. So if you decide to rename millennials Generation X, it is up to your readers to keep up with you. Now you are calling people dyslexic. Dyslexic means an inability to READ, but in your private language it means an inabilty to WRITE. No wonder people can't understand you!
I think I shall invent a new term for confusing language--dyswrxia.
Professor Wrx. Only last week you were saying that you could write in your private language if you wanted and it was the job of your readers to try to figure out what you meant. So if you decide to rename millennials Generation X, it is up to your readers to keep up with you. Now you are calling people dyslexic. Dyslexic means an inability to READ, but in your private language it means an inabilty to WRITE. No wonder people can't understand you!
I think I shall invent a new term for confusing language--dyswrxia.No Frannie my twisted comrade. I didn't say anything about writing in a PRIVATE language. I also didn't say anything about readers having the JOB of trying to figure out what I meant. Thats your twisted interpretation. Any readers participation is completely voluntary. So that crap you are claiming is you once again going down the wrong road.
More accurately, I said and meant it was up to readers (who are genuinely interested in understanding) to ask for feedback and get clarity rather than doing what you consistently do. You arent genuine in seeking understanding, so none of that applies to you, nor others who attack rather than engage in intelligent discourse. You got it, NOW? Or do you need further clarification?
Since when is saying an act (how one appears to read or write) is "dyslexic LIKE", equivalent to CALLING PEOPLE dyslexic? In case you didnt know, dyslexia can affect how a person writes as well as how they read. Look it up. Try to learn how to follow context and what's actually intended than how your brain recklessly processes information. You know you have trouble in this area, so just ask me and I will break it down for you. Here's a hint. When you decide to ask someone a question, don't supply them your multiple choices for them to choose from. Let them give you their own answers and / or explanation. You have a nice day! Okay?
Professor Wrx. No wonder people can't understand you!Just a little fun. But who are you speaking for? Who are ALL of these people supposedly not understanding me? I don't recall any such claims. If any exist where are they? What impact does it have on the masses? Nada, so it aint worth entertaining.
Even the last poster didn't say he didn't understand me. His issue may not be a lack of understanding, because the individual is not there for understanding.
His focus appears to be more about an unwillingness to have an intelligent, non confrontational exchange. Which BTW is actually your problem. Thats why I have to engage you like this. Try to grasp the difference.
Lots of people here right now watch for the motoconchos they are all needing new bikes they pull out on the main roads never even looking. They figure if they die their families will live well on what you have to pay if you are the one who hit them. No one here really is careful walking or driving its like they don't even care if they live or die.
Lots of people here right now watch for the motoconchos they are all needing new bikes they pull out on the main roads never even looking. They figure if they die their families will live well on what you have to pay if you are the one who hit them. No one here really is careful walking or driving its like they don't even care if they live or die.I passed several Dynamic Message Signs yesterday on I95 asking American drivers to LOOK TWICE / FOR MOTORCYCLES / MoDOT CARES.
I did look twice each time, but I didn't see any, but apparently the same problem exists as in Sosua. They ought to solve it by banning motorbikes from Interstates, thus drivers don't have to keep looking twice for some asshole overtaking on the inside on a bile.
So maybe they should be posting signs in Sosua;"Mire dos veces para las motocicletas , se preocupa el ayuntamiento de Sosua.".
Michael1967
03-18-16, 07:48
Without getting into value judgment, I will have to agree with Frannie's contention, that each ethnic group (or perhaps linguistic group) has its own way of dealing with sexuality. I would never dream of bringing my son on a trip to Sosua, just the way, I would not think of going there with "friends" even though I have helped people with women I know there. Sex is too personal a thing.It's funny because I bring my wife there at least once, sometimes twice a year (we will be there next month).It's perfect for both of us. We rent a condo (at the Garden Condos) and spend our days on the quiet beach (not sure of the name. but generally there is about 15-20 people there on a good day). Afterwards, we walk into town and drink and watch people. At night, we go to the discotecas and dance the entire night. When I'm there, I talk to guys there about mongering and they completely freak out because they think my wife doesn't know what goes on there (she's not an idiot). I get to look, flirt, touch, but don't have to deal with the aggressive girls because I have my wife there to put them in their place. The only time I really got into trouble was when a very, very attractive woman from Sweden that was on vacation paid a little too much attention to me (I'm a good dancer and she dumped the guy she was with and latched onto us, so she could dance Salsa and Merengue with me).
My wife is fine with the prostitutes (we've even taken a few home after she got to know them), but if someone pays attention to me that isn't looking for money, the claws come out. I meet so many guys there that wouldn't bring their wife or girlfriend there but I learned so much about my wife after our first visit, we actually ended up there because my wife read a Lonely Planet guide that said the town was nothing but prostitutes, and after hitting all of the touristy spots, she suggested we go there so I can look at the women while she tanned all day. Our second day, we ended up at the strip club (that's no longer there) and had a great time. We go back at least once a year now (April 13-25 if you want to meet up). We are even thinking of buying a condo there.
Grandnash84
03-19-16, 00:13
We go back at least once a year now (April 13-25 if you want to meet up). We are even thinking of buying a condo there.Is that an invitation for a 3 some?
Tempoecorto
03-19-16, 02:05
It's funny because I bring my wife there at least once, sometimes twice a year. Our sexuality is completely our own thing; what works for you may or may not work for me. Besides, you even mentioned about "claws". I want minimal drama in my life, so family and friends are definitely out on "whoring trips". Besides, I have very little interest in Sosua women. The ones I like are looking for permanence which is drama enough.
It was good reading your post though: Variety is the spice of life!
It's funny because I bring my wife there at least once, sometimes twice a year (we will be there next month).It's perfect for both of us. We rent a condo (at the Garden Condos) and spend our days on the quiet beach (not sure of the name. but generally there is about 15-20 people there on a good day). Afterwards, we walk into town and drink and watch people. At night, we go to the discotecas and dance the entire night. When I'm there, I talk to guys there about mongering and they completely freak out because they think my wife doesn't know what goes on there (she's not an idiot). I get to look, flirt, touch, but don't have to deal with the aggressive girls because I have my wife there to put them in their place. The only time I really got into trouble was when a very, very attractive woman from Sweden that was on vacation paid a little too much attention to me (I'm a good dancer and she dumped the guy she was with and latched onto us, so she could dance Salsa and Merengue with me).
My wife is fine with the prostitutes (we've even taken a few home after she got to know them), but if someone pays attention to me that isn't looking for money, the claws come out. I meet so many guys there that wouldn't bring their wife or girlfriend there but I learned so much about my wife after our first visit, we actually ended up there because my wife read a Lonely Planet guide that said the town was nothing but prostitutes, and after hitting all of the touristy spots, she suggested we go there so I can look at the women while she tanned all day. Our second day, we ended up at the strip club (that's no longer there) and had a great time. We go back at least once a year now (April 13-25 if you want to meet up). We are even thinking of buying a condo there.
It's funny because I bring my wife there at least once, sometimes twice a year (we will be there next month).But would you bring the children?
Obviously you have an open relationship which is fine. You already said you and your wife have picked up girls.
I am all for what you do. But most people aren't.
It's funny because I bring my wife there at least once, sometimes twice a year (we will be there next month).It's perfect for both of us. We rent a condo (at the Garden Condos) and spend our days on the quiet beach (not sure of the name. but generally there is about 15-20 people there on a good day). Afterwards, we walk into town and drink and watch people. At night, we go to the discotecas and dance the entire night. When I'm there, I talk to guys there about mongering and they completely freak out because they think my wife doesn't know what goes on there (she's not an idiot). I get to look, flirt, touch, but don't have to deal with the aggressive girls because I have my wife there to put them in their place. The only time I really got into trouble was when a very, very attractive woman from Sweden that was on vacation paid a little too much attention to me (I'm a good dancer and she dumped the guy she was with and latched onto us, so she could dance Salsa and Merengue with me).
My wife is fine with the prostitutes (we've even taken a few home after she got to know them), but if someone pays attention to me that isn't looking for money, the claws come out. I meet so many guys there that wouldn't bring their wife or girlfriend there but I learned so much about my wife after our first visit, we actually ended up there because my wife read a Lonely Planet guide that said the town was nothing but prostitutes, and after hitting all of the touristy spots, she suggested we go there so I can look at the women while she tanned all day. Our second day, we ended up at the strip club (that's no longer there) and had a great time. We go back at least once a year now (April 13-25 if you want to meet up). We are even thinking of buying a condo there.
Children? What does anything he said have to do with children?? I have taken my daughters to Caberete many times. They love kite sailing. If that answered your weird question.
But would you bring the children?
Children? What does anything he said have to do with children?? I have taken my daughters to Caberete many times. They love kite sailing. If that answered your weird question.Because the poster said he brought his wife, who is presumably someone he is having a sexual relationship with, but the prior discussion was about traveling with other family members such as sons or uncles or fathers to participate in the prostitution scene in Sosua, not in kite sailing in Cabarete. So, no you did not answer my question.
Mr Enternational
03-25-16, 14:38
But would you bring the children?If they were men yes. Men do men shit together. Bars, strip clubs, strip / fuck parties, brothels, bachelor parties. Or maybe that is just my friends and family. Bunch of damn bashful mongers!
Slumming and exploiting third world hookers is not something I'm particularly proud of, but it fills my needs at this stage of my life.
I never thought of "mongering" as a pastime when I was a young man. Too busy getting laid.
But, and here's the thing, why are folks always put out, in disagreement, disappointed, or even shocked, with other folks here, on a monger blog, if they have different interests, values and play a diifferent game?
There are no "accepted" rules on a board like this.
It's not a church bulletin :)
So let's have all the stories, and try not to be too judgemental, please!
So let's have all the stories, and try not to be too judgemental, please!We could only wish.
If they were men yes. Men do men shit together. Bars, strip clubs, strip / fuck parties, brothels, bachelor parties. Or maybe that is just my friends and family. Bunch of damn bashful mongers!Anna Karenina famously opens with the line "All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way. ".
I guess families do differ a lot, but I would think that for a family to be a family of happy hookers or happy mongers, there must be one person who originally created the atmosphere to make this possible. I have no sons, but I do have male nephews. Two of them have wives who are of different nationalities, whom they met while working or traveling overseas. But I don't think I would ever want to share anything about mongering with any of them, because I would not want to think that I was responsible for shaping their experiences or views regarding sexual experiences in general or paying for sex in particular, and in any case I would rather that they develop their own social skills and sexual relationships at their own pace. In other words, if one of them becomes a monger and never marries, I would not condemn them, but I would prefer not to have anything to do with them choosing that path.
Sorry my bad. Still don't know what the fuck your talking about. But there's not much I don't know. Children? No I would not fucking bring children to Sosua late night. Beach yea! Caberete yea! Father yes I have done that. Anyone else you have to guage how they will react to partying and fucking. I have brought groups of friends 10-15 people. But they new what they were in for. No sense in bringing a problem type person.
Because the poster said he brought his wife, who is presumably someone he is having a sexual relationship with, but the prior discussion was about traveling with other family members such as sons or uncles or fathers to participate in the prostitution scene in Sosua, not in kite sailing in Cabarete. So, no you did not answer my question.
He said children so I didn't take it as grown WTF? Children are young kids.
If they were men yes. Men do men shit together. Bars, strip clubs, strip / fuck parties, brothels, bachelor parties. Or maybe that is just my friends and family. Bunch of damn bashful mongers!
But would you bring the children?Meeting up with Brother P later, and you can bet we will act like fucking children!
Tempoecorto
03-26-16, 16:22
Anna Karenina famously opens with the line "All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way. ".Wow! Getting Lev Tolstoy on this forum is icing on the cake. .
I have a son in High School who I can never imagine to be tagging along with me in my jaunts. I would almost see the look of disdain were I to even broach the subject. So not now definitely, not in another 16 years, indeed not ever and certainly I would not even be dreaming of trying anything like that! I think, this is a cultural thing, perhaps even with a class connotation. My understanding is that South America and Mexico in the north has such a culture even now, that of initiation. Europe (especially the part speaking the romance languages) definitely had a culture of casa which barring Germany and Holland (thank God), was expunged in the wake of WWII so I do not know how things were there earlier. Asia, (especially India) where prostitution is rampant, things are definitely not "out in the open" among the males in family as much as the macho culture is ubiquitous.
On the ground in Sosua now. Casa Cayena or whatever they call it nowadays is good.
Plenty of girls of all shapes, colors and sizes. Better looking ones have an attitude.
On Friday met a fairly ok looking girl from Santiago. We went to Classico and had a good time dancing and cuddly. Later in the room Good BBBJ, good fuck and very friendly. Was up for anything including staying with me and going anywhere. Paid her 3000 LT. Only problem is she had some sort of smell in pussy. Smelled like condom but not really bad. I am used to girls with no smell. She wanted to take trips but I reneged on the deal. In the evening met her again and another session followed. Gave her 1500 with a promise of meeting her later at Rumba. Later went to the casino and made some money.
Started hunting for a new one. Talked to many but did not find what I was looking for. I am a LT kind of guy. Many wanted 2000 for ST. Very few good looking ones Saturday. Maybe because of holy weekend. Never seen so many black guys in Sosua. Obviously from New York City. Girls seem to like them. Went to classico again but no luck. In Classico girls do not approach. You need to talk to them. Need to be little careful because some are regular girls with boyfriends out for fun. After couple of drinks left because of really tired and also I was looking for certain type of homely girls. Maybe better luck Tom.
Iam 20 days from being on the ground. I am staying in the same place. My problem is I know so many girls it is hard to walk the street with out being attacked. In some ways it is a good problem to have. I stay in contact with several girls in Sosua. The upside is they fuck me like the world is ending. The bad is it limits the sport fucking which is awesome in Sosua. Keep the reports coming.
On the ground in Sosua now. Casa Cayena or whatever they call it nowadays is good.
Plenty of girls of all shapes, colors and sizes. Better looking ones have an attitude.
On Friday met a fairly ok looking girl from Santiago. We went to Classico and had a good time dancing and cuddly. Later in the room Good BBBJ, good fuck and very friendly. Was up for anything including staying with me and going anywhere. Paid her 3000 LT. Only problem is she had some sort of smell in pussy. Smelled like condom but not really bad. I am used to girls with no smell. She wanted to take trips but I reneged on the deal. In the evening met her again and another session followed. Gave her 1500 with a promise of meeting her later at Rumba. Later went to the casino and made some money.
Started hunting for a new one. Talked to many but did not find what I was looking for. I am a LT kind of guy. Many wanted 2000 for ST. Very few good looking ones Saturday. Maybe because of holy weekend. Never seen so many black guys in Sosua. Obviously from New York City. Girls seem to like them. Went to classico again but no luck. In Classico girls do not approach. You need to talk to them. Need to be little careful because some are regular girls with boyfriends out for fun. After couple of drinks left because of really tired and also I was looking for certain type of homely girls. Maybe better luck Tom.
Wow! Getting Lev Tolstoy on this forum is icing on the cake. .
I have a son in High School who I can never imagine to be tagging along with me in my jaunts. I would almost see the look of disdain were I to even broach the subject. So not now definitely, not in another 16 years, indeed not ever and certainly I would not even be dreaming of trying anything like that! It's all cool dude! Frannie would be more than happy to have you along as his son (temporary DR adoption papers included) . 😜
Found a nice homely GFE girl. Very shy unheard of in Sousa. Young with no kids. Very good DFK and ready to please. Horny and clean with no smell. Nice big boobs. Keeping her for couple of days.
ReadyToGetOnIt
03-28-16, 23:08
I like more of the long time GFE stuff also. Where you picking these up? Importing with DCupid or just walking the street?
Found a nice homely GFE girl. Very shy unheard of in Sousa. Young with no kids. Very good DFK and ready to please. Horny and clean with no smell. Nice big boobs. Keeping her for couple of days.
I like more of the long time GFE stuff also. Where you picking these up? Importing with DCupid or just walking the street?I rent a car. Found this one on the street. Girl was so shy and was nervous. I am sure she has been around the block many times. But not the hard core types you see around Sosua. Nice GFE to take everywhere. Nice eye candy for dinner, casino, beach.
Obligatory pics.
ReadyToGetOnIt
03-29-16, 23:51
Good shit, and keep up the good work! Thanks for keeping me motivated. I've got 43 days.
I rent a car. Found this one on the street. Girl was so shy and was nervous. I am sure she has been around the block many times. But not the hard core types you see around Sosua. Nice GFE to take everywhere. Nice eye candy for dinner, casino, beach.
Obligatory pics.
Was checking flights to Puerto plata from Newark $167 one way. The New York guys got a great deal in May.
167.
Was checking flights to Puerto plata from Newark $167 one way. The New York guys got a great deal in May.
167.On what airline?
Surf Looker
04-02-16, 04:44
I've heard some colombian chicas been heading to DR for work.
ANyone see an influx of them??
American Air and it gets in at 2:30.
On what airline?
Flight- This time happened to take Air Transat non stop flight from Toronto. Nice. They even give you $10 tourist card free. Air cost round trip $350 US.
Car rental- Good from Hertz- I always take full ins paying $32 more per day. I feel safer this way.
Hotel- Casa Cayena is good. I hope some day they will give 4 pillows instead of 2. Also 4 towels instead of 2. Nice king size bed and plenty of hot water. By the way the girls like cold water for shower.
Clubs- The day I went was good Friday. They said no alcohol till midnight. So I went to the casino. No restriction there. Classico (Name Change?) gets crowded. Rumba same.
Girls- Plenty in all shapes and sizes. No stunners except couple with made up boobs. I like homely looking types. No more girls coming from far out villages on weekends to make money especially from La Vega, semana etc. Previously good looking girls used to come from there.
Overall still a good destination for a short trip.
Hotel- Casa Cayena is good. I hope some day they will give 4 pillows instead of 2. Also 4 towels instead of 2. Nice king size bed and plenty of hot water. By the way the girls like cold water for shower.
Thanks for your observations; I will post a report by Tuesday.
BTW, just ask the staff at Casa Cayena, now Sosua Sunset, for more towels and pillows; no hay problema.
It would have been nice to meet you, maybe another date and time.
Last time I was in Sosua, two years ago I had a helluva lot of fun with this gorgeous creature called Carolina, so much so we remained an item for five or six days doing plenty of stuff together. I really enjoyed her company and the fact she had an amazing body, great arse, infectious personality as well as loving sex and plenty of it was the cheery on the cake.
Not all plain sailing though because she was a proper drinker and towards the end of our time together I learnt she was rather fond of the white powder.
We were planning to stay in touch however, shortly after my return home her phone became disconnected and that was that.
I was wondering if any of you guys may have seen or "dated" Carolina during your Sosua adventures, more than anything I'm just curios to know how she's getting on in life.
Last time I was in Sosua, two years ago I had a helluva lot of fun with this gorgeous creature called Carolina, so much so we remained an item for five or six days doing plenty of stuff together. I really enjoyed her company and the fact she had an amazing body, great arse, infectious personality as well as loving sex and plenty of it was the cheery on the cake.
Not all plain sailing though because she was a proper drinker and towards the end of our time together I learnt she was rather fond of the white powder.
We were planning to stay in touch however, shortly after my return home her phone became disconnected and that was that.
I was wondering if any of you guys may have seen or "dated" Carolina during your Sosua adventures, more than anything I'm just curios to know how she's getting on in life.I can't be absolutely certain, but she looks a lot like someone I talked to in Rumbas last year. If it was the same girl, she's put on 10 to 15 lbs and doesn't look as good. I only noticed her because she was sitting on the barstool next to me and got a bit of an attitude when I told her I wasn't interested. She got downright pissy when I left with someone else. If it's the same girl, she looks a whole lot harder now.
I am planning my first trip to Sosua early May. I have been reading the forum and will do a report after I return. I am planning arriving there around May 9th and Staying in the DR for 10 days. Would being in Sosua for 10 days get boring and hence should I look to explore other parts of DR like Boca Chica, Puerto Plata or Santo Domingo during that time-frame.
I have previously mongered in San Jose, Costa Rica so going to Sosua would be a totally new environment for me. While you are in Sosua and near the beach with the freelance scene, do a lot of the girls approach you or do you have to approach them and assume most are prostitutes?
These girls have very short shelve lives. I have seen girls who are smoking hot and a year later you would not touch. The place can be draining for the girls. The sweetness is just squeezed out of them. Sometimes you find it in them but this is not easy. Coolness protects them from the many mongers who are jerks. When you see Sosua girls on return trips they are never the same. The fresh face girl you enjoyed is now a hard core puta. They learn how to scam and rip off.
I can't be absolutely certain, but she looks a lot like someone I talked to in Rumbas last year. If it was the same girl, she's put on 10 to 15 lbs and doesn't look as good. I only noticed her because she was sitting on the barstool next to me and got a bit of an attitude when I told her I wasn't interested. She got downright pissy when I left with someone else. If it's the same girl, she looks a whole lot harder now.
These girls have very short shelve lives. I have seen girls who are smoking hot and a year later you would not touch. The place can be draining for the girls. The sweetness is just squeezed out of them. Sometimes you find it in them but this is not easy. Coolness protects them from the many mongers who are jerks. When you see Sosua girls on return trips they are never the same. The fresh face girl you enjoyed is now a hard core puta. They learn how to scam and rip off.So true.
I can get some heat for being too "soft-hearted" but when you consider the hopelessness a lot of these girls live with.
Start with a society with 99% living in what we consider poverty, with no hope of upward mobility.
The well-off 1% pay unliveable wages. (Starting to sound like the US, now).
Even those with "normal" jobs are the "working poor' with an average retail employee making just $250 US a month.
So they turn to the sex trade, and we all know the clients are not exactly George Clooney or Denzel Washington.
Do that for a while, and its hard for anyone to remain the same.
So, some get lost in that lifestyle.
ForceSteeler
04-04-16, 21:29
These girls have very short shelve lives. I have seen girls who are smoking hot and a year later you would not touch. The place can be draining for the girls. The sweetness is just squeezed out of them. Sometimes you find it in them but this is not easy. Coolness protects them from the many mongers who are jerks. When you see Sosua girls on return trips they are never the same. The fresh face girl you enjoyed is now a hard core puta. They learn how to scam and rip off.Most of the Sousa girls don't last because they are fucking a lot of guys every day, they are drinking beer and partying all night, plus most of them do not exercise which I think is the key to looking younger. You have to exercise and burn that all out.
When I go to Brazil I have met working girls that are in there 30's and been working for 10+ Years plus off and on, and do not look a day over 22. Brazil women, eat good food, take there vitamins. And exercise everyday. They don't play when it comes to there health. They exercise hard and it shows. In Sousa these girls are very lazy and don't know how to keep themselves up.
Tempoecorto
04-05-16, 00:23
These girls have very short shelve lives. I have seen girls who are smoking hot and a year later you would not touch. I like Old Kool's soft and rather humane way of looking at Sosua women. Wish all were that way, and their experiences with the women would be equally positive. You get back what you give.
I bought a smart phone unlocked for $59. This phone will get me 2 days of smoking hot sex from a very motivated young lady. When I have prearranged hookups I ask what gift they would like. Phones are in huge demand as well as perfume. Trust me these are great tools to have.
Charles Pooter
04-05-16, 14:39
Would being in Sosua for 10 days get boring and hence should I look to explore other parts of DR like Boca Chica, Puerto Plata or Santo Domingo during that time-frame?
Pto Pta is only half-hour and one dollar away from Sosua. Boca Chica and Santo Domingo are the best part of a day's travel unless you hire a car, which I would not recommend.
Should be enough to keep you amused in Sosua, and nearby places like Pto Pta and Cabarete, for ten days. If you do get bored, a trip to Santiago is less than two hours.
I am planning my first trip to Sosua early May. I have been reading the forum and will do a report after I return. I am planning arriving there around May 9th and Staying in the DR for 10 days. Would being in Sosua for 10 days get boring and hence should I look to explore other parts of DR like Boca Chica, Puerto Plata or Santo Domingo during that time-frame.
It depends on how easily you get bored. If you need fresh input every day, then you'll run out of things to do. There are several different excursions you can take from Sosua, prices I believe are mostly $50-$100 USD. There's Castillo Mundo King (just tell a motoconcho driver "el museo" and point up the hill), but not much else to see.
I have previously mongered in San Jose, Costa Rica so going to Sosua would be a totally new environment for me. While you are in Sosua and near the beach with the freelance scene, do a lot of the girls approach you or do you have to approach them and assume most are prostitutes?Do mosquitoes approach you, or do you have to approach the mosquitoes?
When you walk down the street they will grab your hand or your arm (and sometimes your wallet). When you sit down to eat they will try to sit at your table. While you're drinking a beer they will line up to walk past. Wednesday through Saturday night you'll say "no" 50 times a day. Even on the beach, they will let you know they are available.
Unless the girl is working somewhere, it's pretty safe to assume she's available for a fee. That's not saying your waitress, bartender, room maid or store cashier won't also be available for a fee, but you may want to let them make the first move.
3 or 4 days of Sosua is a lot. However like others have said there are some fun things to do. First Caberreti has a great Beach especially on the weekends. The night life on the weekends is great if you have a date with you many club / restaurants.
I would also catch a bus to Santo domingo takes 5 hours but I enjoy the ride. You will see the country side. Stay in the colonal zone where there are tourist things to do and street walkers. SD has malls. Casinos and Discos. If you find someone special in Sosua take her to SD with you you will a ball.
L have a ball.
Pto Pta is only half-hour and one dollar away from Sosua. Boca Chica and Santo Domingo are the best part of a day's travel unless you hire a car, which I would not recommend.
Should be enough to keep you amused in Sosua, and nearby places like Pto Pta and Cabarete, for ten days. If you do get bored, a trip to Santiago is less than two hours.
Logistics and things:
Flight:
Flight was out of SAN to POP on AA for $700 and change. Flights were pretty much on time and with no issues. I really hate the red eye flight, especially topped with the 6 hour layover in Miami. This time I got into Miami early and stayed at the airport hotel for the night; the hotel was better this time.
Hotel:
For the seventh time, I stayed at Casa Cayena, now called Hotel Sosua Sunrise. Wilfried explained the previous owner was being difficult and wanted to keep the same web site domain. Wilfried was not at the airport, which was unusual. Turns out he had his second surgery a couple of weeks before I arrived. He was up in his room and seemed to be recovering well.
Wilfried is still offering breakfast and dinner included in the room rate. I only ate breakfast there twice, but I did have dinner on three nights. Room security was never an issue. I left out my laptop and surface pad daily without any issues. The entire staff is professional and overall outstanding. The only thing that changed at the hotel was the name change. I will continue to stay there.
Money:
I got lazy and just exchanged money at the hotel, the rate was 45 to 1. The rest of the time I abused the ATM machines and vice-versa.
Cell Phone:
My Claro sim card was still good from November, but I needed to put minutes on the card. Turns out, there is a Claro machine at the super mercado and the beach mercado. So putting minutes on the card is even more simple than before. I figured 300 pesos on the card would last me through the trip; it was plenty. I also learned how to check how many minutes are left on the card. Type *122# and hit the send button.
Food:
Besides eating at Casa Cayena, I ate at other spots. I had the ribs at the Scandinavian place on the beach. They are the best ribs I've ever had in Sosua! Also the steak tenderloin with peppercorn sauce is fucking amazing! I had that twice during my stay. BTW, Tom the owner has lung cancer and already had 2 chemo treatments. I hope the best for him!
I tried a few new places this trip. On Monday night, it was all you could eat chicken at the Gringo's BBQ for 499 pesos, come on, round it off to 500 pesos for christ's sake. The meal came with one side choice. The chicken was tough; I must have had the old ass non free-range chicken. The mashed potatoes were good. I like baked beans so I paid extra for the side. The beans tasted like they were fresh out a can; yuk!
I had the gumbo 3 different nights at Bourbon Street; it was that good. It came with white rice and cornbread. Someone put a butt-load of money in that place; it was quite impressive. The last place I tried was the new Asian place called Yamazato. Another impressive restaurant. Bill, the guy that almost lost his life to a stairwell two years ago, recommended the place. Lots of Sushi choices, plus some Thai dishes. I had the crab croquettes, which were very good.
The Beach:
Made the mistake of going to the beach the day after good Friday; what a sight. The place was packed. I was able to score a table at Tom's place; there was tons of eye candy! The rest of my stay was either at Tom's or Freddie's place. After Saturday, I saw very few cops and a good amount of working girls walking up and down the beach. I pulled two girls off the beach during my stay.
Timing:
This was the first time that I arrived on good Friday and the strip was dead. Lucky for me, Brother P got in town the same day. All the larger bars would not serve alcohol until midnight, but that was not going to stop myself and Brother P from getting some tasty adult beverages! We walked towards the casino and we found a few small bars that were serving alcohol; praise the lord dammit! We sat outside with a couple of girls that worked in one of the places. For whatever reason, the drinks and shots were coming by the numbers; weird huh? At midnight, Rumba was raining with chicas and alcohol; praise the lord dammit!
Rumba still had the best game in town; but the girls came out later than usual. The club was full just about every night. Brother P and I were surprised about the number of chicas that were in Rumba on a Monday night. For those that love the Haitian chicas, they have an outside office set-up at the tree stump in front of Bourbon Street. I pulled two from their office.
Women:
It really helped to have established contacts. As soon as I returned to my hotel from the beach mercado, one of my FB girls was standing outside the hotel. I spent some time with a few new girls, but also some time with my previous girls. Sosua IS NOT dried up, as some would have you believe. There are still plenty of girls available. Some were asking for 2000/2500 for short time, but many were still going with 1500. It is still a buyer's market.
Final thoughts:
Sosua is ever changing; so get used to it! New restaurants / bars open and then are closed. Streets are blocked off for silly movies, and then wide open for the chicas and us, the ones that want the chicas. The cruise ship crap did not put a dent into the scene, at least, not during my stay.
This was my 18th trip in 7 years and I watched this place with its ups and downs. Some places are closed while enough places are still open to provide a good assortment of chicas. Friday and Saturday nights were off the hook concerning the number of women that were available. This place still is one of the best values in the world, and also, if you make connections, it is a great place to come back to on a regular basis. I love the women and they seem to love my pesos, so I will return!
Logistics and things:
Flight:
Flight was out of SAN to POP on AA for $700 and change. Flights were pretty much on time and with no issues. I really hate the red eye flight, especially topped with the 6 hour layover in Miami. This time I got into Miami early and stayed at the airport hotel for the night; the hotel was better this time.
Hotel:
For the seventh time, I stayed at Casa Cayena, now called Hotel Sosua Sunrise. Wilfried explained the previous owner was being difficult and wanted to keep the same web site domain. Wilfried was not at the airport, which was unusual. Turns out he had his second surgery a couple of weeks before I arrived. He was up in his room and seemed to be recovering well.
Wilfried is still offering breakfast and dinner included in the room rate. I only ate breakfast there twice, but I did have dinner on three nights. Room security was never an issue. I left out my laptop and surface pad daily without any issues. The entire staff is professional and overall outstanding. The only thing that changed at the hotel was the name change. I will continue to stay there.
Money:
I got lazy and just exchanged money at the hotel, the rate was 45 to 1. The rest of the time I abused the ATM machines and vice-versa.
Cell Phone:
My Claro sim card was still good from November, but I needed to put minutes on the card. Turns out, there is a Claro machine at the super mercado and the beach mercado. So putting minutes on the card is even more simple than before. I figured 300 pesos on the card would last me through the trip; it was plenty. I also learned how to check how many minutes are left on the card. Type *122# and hit the send button.
Food:
Besides eating at Casa Cayena, I ate at other spots. I had the ribs at the Scandinavian place on the beach. They are the best ribs I've ever had in Sosua! Also the steak tenderloin with peppercorn sauce is fucking amazing! I had that twice during my stay. BTW, Tom the owner has lung cancer and already had 2 chemo treatments. I hope the best for him!
I tried a few new places this trip. On Monday night, it was all you could eat chicken at the Gringo's BBQ for 499 pesos, come on, round it off to 500 pesos for christ's sake. The meal came with one side choice. The chicken was tough; I must have had the old ass non free-range chicken. The mashed potatoes were good. I like baked beans so I paid extra for the side. The beans tasted like they were fresh out a can; yuk!
I had the gumbo 3 different nights at Bourbon Street; it was that good. It came with white rice and cornbread. Someone put a butt-load of money in that place; it was quite impressive. The last place I tried was the new Asian place called Yamazato. Another impressive restaurant. Bill, the guy that almost lost his life to a stairwell two years ago, recommended the place. Lots of Sushi choices, plus some Thai dishes. I had the crab croquettes, which were very good.
The Beach:
Made the mistake of going to the beach the day after good Friday; what a sight. The place was packed. I was able to score a table at Tom's place; there was tons of eye candy! The rest of my stay was either at Tom's or Freddie's place. After Saturday, I saw very few cops and a good amount of working girls walking up and down the beach. I pulled two girls off the beach during my stay.
Timing:
This was the first time that I arrived on good Friday and the strip was dead. Lucky for me, Brother P got in town the same day. All the larger bars would not serve alcohol until midnight, but that was not going to stop myself and Brother P from getting some tasty adult beverages! We walked towards the casino and we found a few small bars that were serving alcohol; praise the lord dammit! We sat outside with a couple of girls that worked in one of the places. For whatever reason, the drinks and shots were coming by the numbers; weird huh? At midnight, Rumba was raining with chicas and alcohol; praise the lord dammit!
Rumba still had the best game in town; but the girls came out later than usual. The club was full just about every night. Brother P and I were surprised about the number of chicas that were in Rumba on a Monday night. For those that love the Haitian chicas, they have an outside office set-up at the tree stump in front of Bourbon Street. I pulled two from their office.
Women:
It really helped to have established contacts. As soon as I returned to my hotel from the beach mercado, one of my FB girls was standing outside the hotel. I spent some time with a few new girls, but also some time with my previous girls. Sosua IS NOT dried up, as some would have you believe. There are still plenty of girls available. Some were asking for 2000/2500 for short time, but many were still going with 1500. It is still a buyer's market.
Final thoughts:
Sosua is ever changing; so get used to it! New restaurants / bars open and then are closed. Streets are blocked off for silly movies, and then wide open for the chicas and us, the ones that want the chicas. The cruise ship crap did not put a dent into the scene, at least, not during my stay.
This was my 18th trip in 7 years and I watched this place with its ups and downs. Some places are closed while enough places are still open to provide a good assortment of chicas. Friday and Saturday nights were off the hook concerning the number of women that were available. This place still is one of the best values in the world, and also, if you make connections, it is a great place to come back to on a regular basis. I love the women and they seem to love my pesos, so I will return!My Gosh, it looks like all those chicas are giving birth to the same old man!
Glad to see another of my age group representing our generation well.
Naked Gunz
04-06-16, 00:34
I love the women!Oh yeah, that's obvious!
I do not know how you can have a bad time in Sosua. Wine women and song all ate great prices. I am 60 years old but in Sosua I feel like a teen ager.
My Gosh, it looks like all those chicas are giving birth to the same old man!
Glad to see another of my age group representing our generation well.
I do not know how you can have a bad time in Sosua. Wine women and song all ate great prices. I am 60 years old but in Sosua I feel like a teen ager.I have spent two weeks in Santiago, PP and Sosua. My plan was to spend a month, that means two more weeks. I am cutting short my time, taking Metro to Santa Domingo, and getting a flight out of here to Medellíand.
The drinks, food, playa, hotel is all good. Too much hard work for getting semi-pros, the quality of point and click chicas is not to my liking. I would walk the streets up and down, find a table and have few drinks, light up a cigar while watching the scene, step into Rumbas, looking 100's of chicas every night, telling myself not to keep high standards to choose chicas, even then I will go back to my hotel solo.
There were two gems, and I enjoyed their company a lot, we are talking two over a period of 14 days. I tried everything possible, online apps to taking help from local guys, even accompanying a casino worker at 1 am on a 30 peso taxi ride to Montellano, and then a motochoco ride at that hour into a hood I have no knowledge of, in search of quality. And I can go on listing more. So I tried everything I could. It did not work for me. A German guy was shot and killed few weeks back, and a Canadian guy was killed this week. While I had felt safe so far, can't help thinking my adventures in search of quality will take me to trouble. So I asked myself why the hell can't I fuck all these easy chicas that show up. Went back on the street last night with an open mind, and still could not take it. There were three real good ones, when approached they said no ID. Out of the blue a really scary looking negra shows up, veterans have to know her, I can not forget this scarry face, thin one, short hair, has no bums for a negra, and she holds my hand and asks whether I am interested. Eureka moment. Has my life become that bad I am so desparate to stand on this god damn street and be approached by this filthy pig. I am sorry to call her that way, that is exactly how I felt so writing it here.
I did see a bunch of black guys from Texas having good time. Other than these guys, all the rest were 99% older men. Perhaps at that time in my life there will be a different perspective and I will recommend Sosua to others.
Thank you to many of the bros on this site who helped me to plan the trip. Their help made my stay comfortable I must add.
Sosua is for pros. If all you wanted was semi-pros you were in the wrong place. I think one week in Sosua is a lot. You did not do a good job of planning. Everyone one on the site told you Sosua was not the place for semi pros. If your language skills are poor you are not finding semi pros in the Dr or Columbia. Not real clear what your expectation were but DR women are generally very attractive and Sosua has more then it share. Good luck to you but better planning will prevent wasting your time and money. I will be there next week and will have more 8 to 10's then I can handle.
Sosua is for pros. If all you wanted was semi-pros you were in the wrong place. I think one week in Sosua is a lot. You did not do a good job of planning. Everyone one on the site told you Sosua was not the place for semi pros. If your language skills are poor you are not finding semi pros in the Dr or Columbia. Not real clear what your expectation were but DR women are generally very attractive and Sosua has more then it share. Good luck to you but better planning will prevent wasting your time and money. I will be there next week and will have more 8 to 10's then I can handle.After reading his post, I am still unclear what he was looking for. Following strangers to unknown areas looking for it is showing poor judgement.
I'm always amazed when I hear looking for semi pros. That's like being a little pregnant. If they are in the game they are in the game, if they are not they are not.
He went to three cities there and could not find what he wanted. He is correct for going home early but he should have taken the Scary Negra to punish himself for wasting so much time and money. Maybe after that he can lower his standards a little and have some fun.
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