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ScatManDoo
04-23-21, 21:48
Yep. But the way to get every Trump supporter vaccinated would be a statement by Obama telling them not to get the vaccine. They'd show up the next day to get it.If Republicans choose to not get vaccinations for themselves and their family members.
Why put in any effort to change their thinking and get vaccinated?
Let them have their choice.
If only democrats and their social circles achieve herd immunity. Well, things will probably work out better this way.
John Clayton
04-24-21, 00:49
If Republicans choose to not get vaccinations for themselves and their family members.
Why put in any effort to change their thinking and get vaccinated?
Let them have their choice.
If only democrats and their social circles achieve herd immunity. Well, things will probably work out better this way.It's not how public health works. We don't want a resevoir of virus in the US -- or anywhere. Especially with RNA viruses which mutate so rapidly. We need to crush the virus everywhere or it will just come back, stronger than before.
ScatManDoo
04-24-21, 01:01
It's not how public health works. We don't want a resevoir of virus in the US -- or anywhere. Especially with RNA viruses which mutate so rapidly. We need to crush the virus everywhere or it will just come back, stronger than before.If the bright democrats continue to take vaccines, which will get modified for newer mutations.
And the slower folks continue to dismiss science.
So be it.
Yep. But the way to get every Trump supporter vaccinated would be a statement by Obama telling them not to get the vaccine. They'd show up the next day to get it.He got vaccinated in January. Without much fanfare, that's true, but he's called in favor of vaccination ever since.
So I just don't get it. How come his brain-damaged supporters are trumpier than the boss himself?
He got vaccinated in January. Without much fanfare, that's true, but he's called in favor of vaccination ever since.
So I just don't get it. How come his brain-damaged supporters are trumpier than the boss himself?Trump and his genius supporters are all about winning. For them, if the US still has COVID problems in 4 years, they will all say "See, the Democrats blew it. " And the only way trump and the MAGA crowd can accomplish that is by ensuring that we don't get to "herd immunity". So, like good little sheep, they will resist getting vaccinated.
Granted, that logic makes absolutely no sense to anyone with a normal IQ, but neither does voting against your own interests either.
ScatManDoo
04-26-21, 01:16
Trump and his genius supporters are all about winning. For them, if the US still has COVID problems in 4 years, they will all say "See, the Democrats blew it. " And the only way trump and the MAGA crowd can accomplish that is by ensuring that we don't get to "herd immunity". So, like good little sheep, they will resist getting vaccinated.
Granted, that logic makes absolutely no sense to anyone with a normal IQ, but neither does voting against your own interests either.Conservative republicans must be very depressed watching TrumpShit destroy their party. Making it and them look like stupid losers, with petty, stupid issues of concern.
Trump and his genius supporters are all about winning. For them, if the US still has COVID problems in 4 years, they will all say "See, the Democrats blew it. " And the only way trump and the MAGA crowd can accomplish that is by ensuring that we don't get to "herd immunity". So, like good little sheep, they will resist getting vaccinated.
Granted, that logic makes absolutely no sense to anyone with a normal IQ, but neither does voting against your own interests either.Your post doesn't make sense. CNN just came out saying that the white people were getting vaccinated in much greater masses than the black community. Are you saying all the black communities are all Trump supporters? I thought all white people were racist and so therefore they are Trump supporters. Why are these racist white people getting the vaccines before the black communities?
I've never seen so many stupid people in my whole life as I've seen in this forum.This is the best post on this site to date. You are correct with the posts above by Scatmando, PV Monger, John Clayton, Xparton. Beijing. Stupidy is the new democrat.
This is the best post on this site to date. You are correct with the posts above by Scatmando, PV Monger, John Clayton, Xparton. Beijing. Stupidy is the new democrat.Thanks for your encouragement, Canado.
ScatManDoo
04-26-21, 19:58
"I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words. " - Donald Trump 6/15/15.
Consider them marked and measured. Hahahahahaha.
Your post doesn't make sense. CNN just came out saying that the white people were getting vaccinated in much greater masses than the black community. Are you saying all the black communities are all Trump supporters? I thought all white people were racist and so therefore they are Trump supporters. Why are these racist white people getting the vaccines before the black communities?Your lack of understanding is showing.
People of color have a historical distrust of vaccines and medicine in general for a variety of reasons. But I won't bother to post one of the 50,000+ articles as proof because you'll just call it a socialist website or some other BS.
The simple facts are that almost 40% of trump supporters say they won't get vaccinated. At least 40% of all trump supporters are racist. Stupidity is being a trump supporter.
ScatManDoo
04-27-21, 17:17
I thought all white people were racistNo.
Must be just the Caucasian people you hang out with.
No.
Must be just the Caucasian people you hang out with.Touche lololol.
People of color have a historical distrust of vaccines and medicine in general for a variety of reasons.Do they have a historical distrust of witch doctors, in general, for a variety of reasons?
Can you clarify 'people of color' exclusively as descendants of africans brought as slaves to the Americas and who were on the 'non-white side' of the color line regardless of how much Caucasian blood they have in their genes due to admixtures of various provenance.
ScatManDoo
04-28-21, 16:48
Conservative republicans must be very depressed watching TrumpShit destroy their party. Making it and them look like stupid losers, with petty, stupid issues of concern.The 4th recount currently being conducted in Arizona is a glaring example of TrumpShit idiot nonsense.
I have not read any of TrumpShit's current missives over the past two to three days that he's made on FakeTwitter and FaceBookJr.
But according to main-stream media, TS has been spouting off again that this latest recount is finally going to prove he won in 2020.
His crooked cronies have been holding (and maybe altering?) over 2 million actual physical ballots without allowing any reporters to observe recount activity.
Because of unchecked stupidity, only a result confirming the prior recounts as correct could be considered legit.
The last time a reporter slipped in, posing as a ballot counter, the recounters possessed pens of dark ink they specifically were not allowed to possess when handling ballots.
If this 4th recount results in significant vote count changes, it could only be viewed as illegitimate.
Stupid Stupid Stupid!
This is the best post on this site to date. You are correct with the posts above by Scatmando, PV Monger, John Clayton, Xparton. Beijing. Stupidy is the new democrat.Thanks, Canada. Yeah, these guys bring new meaning to the word dolt. Terminally doltish. Extreme doltism. Incurable, inoperable doltism. Only a frontal lobotomy would improve their thinking.
ScatManDoo
04-28-21, 22:25
Tucker Carlson suggests calling cops on parents of kids in masks.
Carlson on air made the ridiculous assertion that parents were abusing their children by having them wear masks.
Fox: The leader in mind numbing fake news.
Incurable, inoperable doltism.
Only a frontal lobotomy would improveSome people don't seem to understand that 'incurable' and 'inoperable' don't leave much room for 'improvement'.
Maybe that's why they get so confused with the meaning of losing an election?
Some people don't seem to understand that 'incurable' and 'inoperable' don't leave much room for 'improvement'.
Maybe that's why they get so confused with the meaning of losing an election?Case-in-point.
I've never seen so many stupid people in my whole life as I've seen in this forum.And yet here you are...
Beijing4987
04-29-21, 21:06
Mike Lindell, ex crack head and still paranoid schizophrenic visited Jimmy Kimmel to promote his book and brand of conspiracies. The White hat hackers have handed him the proof of election fraud, and he's hired an army of lawyers to get out the truth about "the machines", so stay tuned. Meanwhile, the President in Thief's ex lawyer is experiencing payback for dirty tricks. Lindell met his doppelgänger on the show, who challenged him to a pillow fight at the next Wisconsin state fair.
Your post doesn't make sense. CNN just came out saying that the white people were getting vaccinated in much greater masses than the black community. Are you saying all the black communities are all Trump supporters? I thought all white people were racist and so therefore they are Trump supporters. Why are these racist white people getting the vaccines before the black communities?Why are white people getting the vaccine at higher rates than black people? Inequity of care. White communities have more access to healthcare facilities than black communities. You are confusing the ability to get vaccinated with desire to get vaccinated. AKA W* Privilege. I know, not the type of language you want to here. But realities are that white neighborhoods and people have more access to healthcare resources such as pharmacies, doctors offices, hospitals, and transportation. Black neighborhoods are notorious for being "healthcare deserts" for obvious reasons: Unequal distribution of society's resources. Numbers below:
March's Marist poll (scroll to page 25 of link).
Question: If a vaccine for the coronavirus is made available to you, will you choose to be vaccinated or not? If you have already received the vaccine, please say so.
Have gotten + Will get vaccine:
By Race:
73% Black.
70% White.
63% Latino (Yikes, they're the worst off).
By Political Affiliation
92% Democrat Men.
88% Biden Supporters
87% Democrat.
83% Democrat Woman.
63% Independent.
62% Republican Women.
56% Republican.
51% Trump Supporter
50% Republican Men.
Bonus stat
76% College.
62% No College.
The numbers are pretty clear that Biden supporters outpace Trump supporters by 37% and that Black people want to get the vaccine more than white people. Also educated people want to get the vaccinated more than uneducated people. It's sort of beautiful how the data actually align as an exact mirror image through the socio-political spectrum from Democrat Men to Republican Men with Independent, unbiased people right smack in the middle, but still definitively on the side of vaccination.
The most willing to get vaccinated: Educated, Biden-Supporting Democrat Black Men.
-Sincerely,
Your Anti Trump Independent Conservative
And yet here you are...Case-in-point.
Some people don't seem to understand that 'incurable' and 'inoperable' don't leave much room for 'improvement'.
Maybe that's why they get so confused with the meaning of losing an election?Yesterday CNBC announced thousands of new jobs for Biden green deal. GM will spend $1 billion dollars for a new car manufacturing factory to build their electric cars. This is an amazing announcement for the new green deal. Unfortunately due to Biden reversing Trump policies of reducing regulations and taxes on business the plant will be built in Mexico not USA angering the union workers that voted for Biden. GM is the first major company to start moving their business abroad.
As said in previous posts the people who voted for Biden will be hurt the most.
Why are white people getting the vaccine at higher rates than black people? Inequity of care. White communities have more access to healthcare facilities than black communities. You are confusing the ability to get vaccinated with desire to get vaccinated. AKA W* Privilege. I know, not the type of language you want to here. But realities are that white neighborhoods and people have more access to healthcare resources such as pharmacies, doctors offices, hospitals, and transportation. Black neighborhoods are notorious for being "healthcare deserts" for obvious reasons: Unequal distribution of society's resources. Numbers below:
March's Marist poll (scroll to page 25 of link).
Question: If a vaccine for the coronavirus is made available to you, will you choose to be vaccinated or not? If you have already received the vaccine, please say so.
Have gotten + Will get vaccine:
By Race:
73% Black.
70% White.
63% Latino (Yikes, they're the worst off).
By Political Affiliation
92% Democrat Men.
88% Biden Supporters
87% Democrat.
83% Democrat Woman.
63% Independent.
62% Republican Women.
56% Republican.
51% Trump Supporter
50% Republican Men.
Bonus stat
76% College.
62% No College.
The numbers are pretty clear that Biden supporters outpace Trump supporters by 37% and that Black people want to get the vaccine more than white people. Also educated people want to get the vaccinated more than uneducated people. It's sort of beautiful how the data actually align as an exact mirror image through the socio-political spectrum from Democrat Men to Republican Men with Independent, unbiased people right smack in the middle, but still definitively on the side of vaccination.
The most willing to get vaccinated: Educated, Biden-Supporting Democrat Black Men.
-Sincerely,
Your Anti Trump Independent ConservativeThis is the opinion of the far left media. When you get your vaccine it asked your race but none of the vaccinating facilities asked your political affiliation. When I got vaccinated the did not ask me if I was a Republican or a Socialist.
The numbers are not clear that Biden supporters have received more vaccinations than Trump supporters. The numbers are only clear that Blacks are resisting vaccinations.
No.
Must be just the Caucasian people you hang out with.The true Racists came out after the Tim Scott speech. The socialists don't like blacks that can think for themselves and be successful. The true racists are the democrats who believe every black needs to be quiet with no opinion and that all blacks have to vote for who they are told to vote for. If they think for themselves and are successful the radical left demonizes them. Can you imagine if a Republican called a black Uncle Tim the backlash they would face. But the democrats don't believe it is racism because Tim Scott didn't vote democrat so he isn't black and he isn't a minority.
Beijing4987
05-01-21, 02:08
Will some of the brilliant minds please explain why so few Black senators were elected. Tim Scott, the lone Black senator, a Tea Party favorite (remember them?) no doubt is well qualified, though appointed by Governor Halley the first time, winning the following special election in 2014, and reelection in 2016. The first two were elected during "Reconstruction" following the South's defeat. A period called "Jim Crow" followed, after a deal to settle a presidential election, long before "Das Kapital" and the Communist Manifesto were conceived.
This is the opinion of the far left media. When you get your vaccine it asked your race but none of the vaccinating facilities asked your political affiliation. When I got vaccinated the did not ask me if I was a Republican or a Socialist.
The numbers are not clear that Biden supporters have received more vaccinations than Trump supporters. The numbers are only clear that Blacks are resisting vaccinations.What I posted was an actual Marist poll that directly asked the opinions of over 1000 registered voters. There was no editorial that overlaid opinions. It was just an act of data collection, directly from the people.
It was not performed at vaccination sites.
It did exactly as what you are questioning. It obtained the opinion of the actual populace.
The poll did not aim to see how many people actually got vaccinated. It asked their opinions on the vaccines directly. No left or right wing bias. No added commentary. It was a poll of people's opinions. By definition, bias is impossible.
Perhaps you can post your CNN story that said differently. My guess is that CNN story did not involve a poll without bias parameters. And why would you trust a CNN poll over an independent third party's unbias attempt at data collection. Because you didn't personally like the results? At some point we need to start valuing facts and data over our own personal biases and motivations.
Will some of the brilliant minds please explain why so few Black senators were elected. Tim Scott, the lone Black senator, a Tea Party favorite (remember them?) no doubt is well qualified, though appointed by Governor Halley the first time, winning the following special election in 2014, and reelection in 2016. The first two were elected during "Reconstruction" following the South's defeat. A period called "Jim Crow" followed, after a deal to settle a presidential election, long before "Das Kapital" and the Communist Manifesto were conceived.Should probably frame this better. Obviously the first 180 years, black people would not have been Senators for obvious reasons. Accept that racist history and move forward in order to get a more accurate reality. The more accurate statistic is 9 black Senators in the past 50 years. Still not great, but much more accurate.
Also consider that black populations are concentrated in the South and Northeast. Not many black people in Wyoming or North Dakota to even expect black politicians coming from those states.
Again the more accurate statistic taken from the last 50 years is still not great, but still much more accurate.
This is the opinion of the far left media. When you get your vaccine it asked your race but none of the vaccinating facilities asked your political affiliation. When I got vaccinated the did not ask me if I was a Republican or a Socialist.
The numbers are not clear that Biden supporters have received more vaccinations than Trump supporters. The numbers are only clear that Blacks are resisting vaccinations.Sorry maybe the confusion comes from me not posting the actual Marist Poll report. Pertinent data on page 25:
http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_202103091124.pdf#page=1
Will some of the brilliant minds please explain why so few Black senators were elected. Tim Scott, the lone Black senator, a Tea Party favorite (remember them?) no doubt is well qualifiedWell-qualified for what? Helping their constituents or delivering the goods to their paymasters? The parties annoint candidates vetted by aipac and their ilk who then make the investment. How that works: Ask Cynthia McKinney (As a member of the Democratic Party, she served six terms in the United States House of Representatives. She was the first black woman elected to represent Georgia in the House.).
What I posted was an actual Marist poll that directly asked the opinions of over 1000 registered voters. There was no editorial that overlaid opinions. It was just an act of data collection, directly from the people.
It was not performed at vaccination sites.
It did exactly as what you are questioning. It obtained the opinion of the actual populace.
The poll did not aim to see how many people actually got vaccinated. It asked their opinions on the vaccines directly. No left or right wing bias. No added commentary. It was a poll of people's opinions. By definition, bias is impossible.
Perhaps you can post your CNN story that said differently. My guess is that CNN story did not involve a poll without bias parameters. And why would you trust a CNN poll over an independent third party's unbias attempt at data collection. Because you didn't personally like the results? At some point we need to start valuing facts and data over our own personal biases and motivations.I don't disagree with you as your point is well taken. A poll of 1000 people taken in New York would be drastically different than a poll of 1000 from Wyoming. I for sure don't trust anything CNN says as fact or the truth but I thought all the democrats believe CNN for everything. I got vaccinated in a big city at Walgreens. When I was eligible I went online and in our area there were no appointments available every day but in the area of blacks and Hispanics there were 15-17 appointments available every day of the week. This tells me the blacks and Hispanics were not getting vaccinated. When I got mine there were a few Hispanics but no blacks for my first shot and then my second shot. This also led me to believe blacks were not getting vaccinated.
Yesterday CNBC announced thousands of new jobs for Biden green deal. GM will spend $1 billion dollars for a new car manufacturing factory to build their electric cars. This is an amazing announcement for the new green deal. Unfortunately due to Biden reversing Trump policies of reducing regulations and taxes on business the plant will be built in Mexico not USA angering the union workers that voted for Biden. GM is the first major company to start moving their business abroad.Same old, tired bullshit.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2020-10-22/supply-chains-latest-the-hard-data-on-trump-s-offshoring-record
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The true Racists came out after the Tim Scott speech. The socialists don't like blacks that can think for themselves and be successful. The true racists are the democrats who believe every black needs to be quiet with no opinion and that all blacks have to vote for who they are told to vote for. If they think for themselves and are successful the radical left demonizes them. Can you imagine if a Republican called a black Uncle Tim the backlash they would face. But the democrats don't believe it is racism because Tim Scott didn't vote democrat so he isn't black and he isn't a minority.This is the most idiotic thing I've ever read. SMH.
Sorry maybe the confusion comes from me not posting the actual Marist Poll report. Pertinent data on page 25:
http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_202103091124.pdf#page=1It makes no difference to Canada what you post. If the source isn't Fox "News", trump, OANN etc. It is all BS to him. He has made it quite clear that he believes that all Democrats are ignorant, socialists and racists and only Republicans have the ability to think and aren't racist.
Same old, tired bullshit.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2020-10-22/supply-chains-latest-the-hard-data-on-trump-s-offshoring-recordAnother fabricated article by a Liberal news. Trump stopped all the auto industry attempts to move to Mexico.
Beijing4987
05-01-21, 17:33
I suggest looking at Wikipedia for info and stats about the "auto industry in Mexico"from 1903 to the present. Maybe the experts here can explain why manufacturing and other industries changed over the years, with automation, high tech, and multinationals following cheap labor. The shit does not hit the fan in a mere 100 days. Does Tim Scott and the Tea Party have a solution to our nation's persistent problems?
The true Racists came out after the Tim Scott speech. The socialists don't like blacks that can think for themselves and be successful. The true racists are the democrats who believe every black needs to be quiet with no opinion and that all blacks have to vote for who they are told to vote for. If they think for themselves and are successful the radical left demonizes them. Can you imagine if a Republican called a black Uncle Tim the backlash they would face. But the democrats don't believe it is racism because Tim Scott didn't vote democrat so he isn't black and he isn't a minority.After being comprehensively impaled by Mursenary with the "facts" you so report to love in the matter or race, political affiliation, and vaccine intentions it's no wonder that you want to pivot to a new subject.
Uncle Tim works fine for me, but as a traditionalist I'll just go with Uncle Tom, pet token, whatever you want to call him. The proof is in his silence in the matter of Trump's consistent racism throughout his life from public positions regarding the Central Park five to the birther conspiracies (Obama), cuddling up to white supremacists and the list goes on. In fact his whole campaign and presidency was about sowing division and stirring up white bigotry, which culminated in the "stop the steal silliness" and mob murders at the state capital. But yea, Uncle Tim (I actually like that) works just fine here as he coddles a bigot for his personal gain. And he isn't a "conservative" while he's propping up Trumpism which features nativism, isolationism, racism and bigotry covert and overt, and all varieties of conspiratorial nonsense.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-race-record/2020/09/23/332b0b68-f10f-11ea-b796-2dd09962649c_story.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/18/dozen-times-donald-trump-accused-stoking-racial-tensions/1766715001/
P.S. On the bright side it's good that you come here, for at least unlike most you are getting exposed to views other than your own and what you'd like to hear.
It makes no difference to Canada what you post. If the source isn't Fox "News", trump, OANN etc. It is all BS to him. He has made it quite clear that he believes that all Democrats are ignorant, socialists and racists and only Republicans have the ability to think and aren't racist.Not all demos are like the ones here. A lot of democrats aren't socialists like you. There is a reason why Fox News is the most watched news and fake news CNN rating are in the tank. Democrats who want the real news watch Fox. The socialists are showing that they are the real racists. Last week proved that. Most Republicans and most democrats aren't racist but more democrats than Republicans think blacks are to dumb to think for themselves. Biden proves that daily with his comments. Democrats think blacks need to be told who to vote for and democrats think blacks are to dumb to get a drivers License. Even some of the idiots on this forum explained how difficult it is to get a drivers license.
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John Clayton
05-01-21, 20:20
... There is a reason why Fox News is the most watched news and fake news CNN rating are in the tank...Why do Republicans now have this existential dread of Biden, Kamala, AOC, paid sick leave, etc? In the last 30 years, there have been great advances understanding how the amygdala modulates the fear response in humans. Fox "News" (and OAN, etc) compell their viewers attention by stimulating this response, which is by careful design. Right wing institutions, e. G. , the Koch Foundation, ALEC, etc, believe in preserving existing social hierarchies and wealth, a return to aristocracy and religion, small government, no taxes, and a distrust of science and rationalism. Clearly, these anti egalitarian ideas are not positive for the majority of people.
So, in a democratic country, how do they get the people to vote against their self interest? Fox News exists to stimulate fear (ask why Hannity, Carlson, Pirro, etc shout so much). When the amygdala is active, rational thought is suppressed and people are (even more) susceptible to slogans, simplistic thought, and authoritarian rule. Yes, in fact there is a right wing conspiracy to keep the masses afraid and in thrall -- it's run through Fox.
If you're a Fox viewer, and you doubt this, here's an experiment you can try on yourself: turn off Fox for a week and then measure your blood pressure.
John Clayton
05-01-21, 20:22
... There is a reason why Fox News is the most watched news and fake news CNN rating are in the tank...Why do Republicans now have this existential dread of Biden, Kamala, AOC, paid sick leave, Social Security, etc? In the last 30 years, there have been great advances understanding how the amygdala modulates the fear response in humans. Fox "News" (and OAN, etc) compell their viewers attention by stimulating this response, which is by careful design. Right wing institutions, e. G. , the Koch Foundation, ALEC, etc, believe in preserving existing social hierarchies and wealth, a return to aristocracy and religion, small government, no taxes, and a distrust of science and rationalism. Clearly, these anti egalitarian ideas are not positive for the majority of people.
So, in a democratic country, how do they get the people to vote against their self interest? Fox News exists to stimulate fear (ask why Hannity, Carlson, Pirro, etc shout so much). When the amygdala is active, rational thought is suppressed and people are (even more) susceptible to slogans, simplistic thought, and authoritarian rule. Yes, in fact there is a right wing conspiracy to keep the masses afraid and in thrall -- it's run through Fox.
If you're a Fox viewer, and you doubt this, here's an experiment you can try on yourself: turn off Fox for a week and then measure your blood pressure.
Mr Enternational
05-01-21, 20:48
So, in a democratic country, how do they get the people to vote against their self interest?What democratic country are you speaking of? The USA is a constitutional republic. American citizens do not make the laws. They only vote for the people that will make the laws. So they in effect would be voting for the PEOPLE that would make laws against their self-interest. For example the gun laws. You don't need to be able to protect yourself. Just have the threat wait on the police to get there. No thanks. I would rather take responsibility for my own protection.
Fox News exists to stimulate fearBoth sides stimulate fear. Do your own research instead of depending on networks to pick your meals for you and then spoon feed them to you.
Does Tim Scott and the Tea Party have a solution to our nation's persistent problems?Since Uncle Tim is brought up again I'll take the time to remind everyone the unprecedented parade of black speakers put on at last year's RNC. The overarching theme was clear, "Hey everybody, Trump isn't as racist. " Yea right, very tough sell that failed.
Mr Enternational
05-01-21, 21:03
It makes no difference to Canada what you post. If the source isn't Fox "News", trump, OANN etc. It is all BS to him. He has made it quite clear that he believes that all Democrats are ignorant, socialists and racists and only Republicans have the ability to think and aren't racist.People are racist and prejudice. Welcome to the real world. A person does not have to belong to a particular political party or group to have these ideas. Brazil, Thailand, India, Korea do not have Democratic or Republican parties, but they still have racist people. It is not going anywhere no matter how much you preach against it; the same as "terrorism".
There is always going to be mfs willing to whip some ass over something they believe in. If it is your ass they are tearing in to then you label them a terrorist. If it is somebody else's ass that you are tearing in to then you label yourself a freedom fighter.
What democratic country are you speaking of? The USA is a constitutional republic. American citizens do not make the laws. They only vote for the people that will make the laws. So they in effect would be voting for the PEOPLE that would make laws against their self-interest. For example the gun laws. You don't need to be able to protect yourself. Just have the threat wait on the police to get there. No thanks. I would rather take responsibility for my own protection. Most of your posts are excellent and useful but this one misses the mark. What you have going is a called a false dichotomy, which can also be called a black and white thinking error or false dilemma.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/False-Dilemma
The US is both a representative democracy and a constitutional republic. The former term was used by the framers, including Adams and Jefferson. These elected officials you speak of are voted in democratically at state and local levels. It's true that we have this archaic (another subject) electoral college going at the national level, but states do choose the electors based on popular votes. It's also true that we don't have a direct democracy, but who does? The only way to achieve that would be to have every citizen vote on every legislative bill which is hardly practical. That's even though voter referendums exist from time to time on state and local ballots. It's simply asinine to say we aren't a democratic country as a representative democracy is a form of democracy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/14/the-united-states-is-both-a-republic-and-a-democracy-because-democracy-is-like-cash/
As to gun laws, the context of the second amendment involves maintenance of state militias, which is largely made obsolete by national guards. That's in spite of these wingnut Alex Jones fans running around hiding from black helicopters. It is good news that violent felons and those with severe mental problems have no right to own grenades or sub machine guns, so there are limitations. We the people through our representatives decide what the limitations are going to be, as to certain weapons, background checks, etc.
Both sides stimulate fear. Do your own research instead of depending on networks to pick your meals for you and then spoon feed them to you.You need to take your own advice. You've obviously been embracing views from some biased and errant sources. See above.
Why do Republicans now have this existential dread of Biden, Kamala, AOC, paid sick leave, Social Security, etc? In the last 30 years, there have been great advances understanding how the amygdala modulates the fear response in humans. Fox "News" (and OAN, etc) compell their viewers attention by stimulating this response, which is by careful design. Right wing institutions, e. G. , the Koch Foundation, ALEC, etc, believe in preserving existing social hierarchies and wealth, a return to aristocracy and religion, small government, no taxes, and a distrust of science and rationalism. Clearly, these anti egalitarian ideas are not positive for the majority of people.
So, in a democratic country, how do they get the people to vote against their self interest? Fox News exists to stimulate fear (ask why Hannity, Carlson, Pirro, etc shout so much). When the amygdala is active, rational thought is suppressed and people are (even more) susceptible to slogans, simplistic thought, and authoritarian rule. Yes, in fact there is a right wing conspiracy to keep the masses afraid and in thrall -- it's run through Fox.
If you're a Fox viewer, and you doubt this, here's an experiment you can try on yourself: turn off Fox for a week and then measure your blood pressure.If you want to know the news you either watch Fox News or stop for a week. No one watched CNN or MSNBC to hear real news. They listen to it to get all the liberal high five fake news. Obviously majority of the people trust Fox News more than the other based on the ratings over the last 10 years. I suppose you don't believe in the ratings either because they don't suit you. Fox states the facts and sometimes republicans get upset at their news. Fox News is only news station to report a crises on the border. Even the democrat senators on the border states are going to Biden to address the crises but you and the other socialists can't even acknowledge the issue. Keep watching your fake news and keep posting how great Biden and Harris are. Democratic states homeless problems, defund police, riots, welfare, racism, unemployment all seem fine to you socialists but Republicans don't like these things. Keep living in LaLa land your kids and grandkids will be the one suffering in the future.
I suggest looking at Wikipedia for info and stats about the "auto industry in Mexico"from 1903 to the present. Maybe the experts here can explain why manufacturing and other industries changed over the years, with automation, high tech, and multinationals following cheap labor. The shit does not hit the fan in a mere 100 days. Does Tim Scott and the Tea Party have a solution to our nation's persistent problems?Why is it when someone points out how Biden policies are hurting American business and a company like GM announces they are going to spend $1 billion dollars in Mexico rather than USA for their new electric car that you start referencing 1903 auto industry. Biden isn't that old but I guess he acts like it. More industry will move out of USA for taxes and stupid regulations not high labor. Biden regulations and taxes will drive out industry like New York high taxes are driving out people. Bigger government and more government regulations will not attract investment in USA. I realize most of you don't have a business and you rely on government subsistence but USA needs large companies to employ thousands. USA can't survive if 50% of their population is on welfare or unemployment. I know the true socialists think that only the 1% need to work and pay taxes and the rest of the people either work for the government or are on welfare or unemployment.
The US is both a representative democracy and a constitutional republic.These elected officials you speak of are voted in democratically at state and local levels. It's also true that we don't have a direct democracy, That's even though voter referendums exist from time to time on state and local ballots. It's simply asinine to say we aren't a democratic country as a representative democracy is a form of You can naively (or asininely) presume the USA is a democracy because, yes, the citizenry gets to vote for candidates to become officeholders representing 'the people' in their district, or State.
Now, for reality: candidates to run for office are selected and funded by either of the two parties. Does anyone want to pretend this is done democratically? For just one recent example, there's the Dem Presidential primaries of 2020. Primary rules designed to exclude third party candidates are another feature of democracy American-style. Too many other examples. The system is (currently) working to prevent democracy, while maintaining the pretense. Try to see things for what they are.
People are racist and prejudice. Welcome to the real world. A person does not have to belong to a particular political party or group to have these ideas. Brazil, Thailand, India, Korea do not have Democratic or Republican parties, but they still have racist people. It is not going anywhere no matter how much you preach against it; the same as "terrorism".More fallacious black and white thinking and a cop out. So since evil will always exist then let's stop confronting it? Education would be pointless as no one ever changes. Jim Crow would still be firmly implanted. Women wouldn't have the right to vote or opportunities to excel in careers in great numbers. We'd likely be speaking another language now as there would have been no point in fighting back in the world wars. The list goes on.
There is always going to be mfs willing to whip some ass over something they believe in. If it is your ass they are tearing in to then you label them a terrorist. If it is somebody else's ass that you are tearing in to then you label yourself a freedom fighter.So all causes are created equally? Joseph Stalin, Dylann Roof, or Timothy McVeigh are just as valid as anyone else? More asinine conclusions. Worthy of barstool banter in some brothel town but not a serious discussion. Stick with the brothel talk Bro.
Mr Enternational
05-02-21, 02:45
Now, for reality: candidates to run for office are selected and funded by either of the two parties. Does anyone want to pretend this is done democratically? You mean like when Bernie Sanders beat Hillary Clinton. , but the "super delegates" chose her to represent the party in the election? They need to get rid of that party mess and let it be every person for themselves. But of course money drives the system so that will never happen.
Mr Enternational
05-02-21, 05:28
Fox News exists to stimulate fear (ask why Hannity, Carlson, Pirro, etc shout so much). When the amygdala is active, rational thought is suppressed and people are (even more) susceptible to slogans, simplistic thought, and authoritarian rule. Yes, in fact there is a right wing conspiracy to keep the masses afraid and in thrall -- it's run through Fox.I am not affiliated with any political party. I vote for the candidate that will represent my interest of the day the best. That being said, being a Black man, liberal outlets keep telling me I am going to get killed by the police and all this stuff about there being systemic racism. I don't remember Fox stimulating any of this fear.
I tend to live by my experience and I have experienced this very big world to the tune of over 100 countries. Maybe shit like this is effective on someone that never lives outside of their 3 block neighborhood, but I know better. From nursery school to the Navy I have been around people of all races and my Black parents never talked to me about race. People were just people. Only in undergraduate was I around only Black people because I went to a historically Black college. Never had a sense or thought that a person among my group was getting an opportunity that I did not because they were White or I was not getting an opportunity because I was Black.
I am 49 years old and I have carried a gun since I was 21. At this point I own enough to carry a different one everyday of the month. Back when I first got my license my state was an open carry state, meaning the weapon had to be visible. I went into Bank of America one morning and waited in line with with my weapon exposed. Somebody tripped the alarm. Of course 30 policemen rushed in and asking no questions filled me with lead.
NOT! A lone WHITE policeman came inside and whispered to me to FOLLOW HIM outside and do not touch anything. We got outside to his car and I showed him my license. He said that the law says that you have to have it out in the open, but just cover it up anyway so people will not get scared.
I have not even been pulled over by a policeman in the last 20 years and the license plate on my car makes it known that I am Black. The two times before that when I was arrested (unpaid tickets), I did not argue and I did not resist. I knew I was in the wrong and did not try to fight the case in the street. I just got the handcuffs on me and got in the car and went to jail. I called someone to get me out. You know, like kind of how the system is designed to work. Simple!
Hell, one time the WHITE cop had pulled me over on the expressway, but when he found out he had to take me to jail he told me to pull off the exit and into a gas station so he would not have to tow the car. Then he let me call my mom and waited for her to come get the car. This was like 3 am. So fuck the shit CNN is trying to make everyone believe about the police and Black people.
And about this systemic racism shit. First question is what did you do to make yourself qualified for whatever you were trying to do? Folks claim this racism only using one set of data. 10 people over here are White and nobody is Black. They never even make mention that maybe no Black people were even interested in the position, or that over the last 10 years half the people applying have been Black but none of those that were QUALIFIED were accepted. We are led to believe that because there were no Blacks, no women, no gays, no whatever, something is wrong with the system.
Makes a big difference how you make your mind up depending on the data that is available to you. That is why they need to quit letting the public decide a case by seeing a short video clip and go back to the old system where a jury that has been presented ALL the evidence deliberates on the case and comes up with a decision.
I just want to see one time someone ask these well-off or popular people who keep shouting there is systemic racism, "Well how did you do it?" You mean with all this systemic racism the system let you accomplish something you wanted and you got rich. Let everybody in on your method so we can follow in your footsteps and circumvent this racist system you talk about the same way that you did.
Sorry. I am a 49 year old Black dude that has taken advantage of a multitude of opportunities that appeared before me. Ain't nobody giving nothing away. You have to put in work to make yourself marketable for what you want. Listening to these clowns reinforce you will never be able to do shit and will never be able to have shit because of this phantom racist system is pure bullshit.
I have heard Fox News say some ridiculous shit almost everyday, but drilling into people that they are somehow disadvantaged and don't stand a chance in this country is not one of them. When you know other countries and see what not having a chance really is, you realize the limitless chance you actually have in the USA.
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Why is it when someone points out how Biden policies are hurting American business and a company like GM announces they are going to spend $1 billion dollars in Mexico rather than USA for their new electric car that you start referencing 1903 auto industry. Biden isn't that old but I guess he acts like it. More industry will move out of USA for taxes and stupid regulations not high labor. Biden regulations and taxes will drive out industry like New York high taxes are driving out people. Bigger government and more government regulations will not attract investment in USA. I realize most of you don't have a business and you rely on government subsistence but USA needs large companies to employ thousands. USA can't survive if 50% of their population is on welfare or unemployment. I know the true socialists think that only the 1% need to work and pay taxes and the rest of the people either work for the government or are on welfare or unemployment.According to GM. "GM has invested $2.2 billion to retool Factory zero, previously called Detroit-Hamtramck Assembly, to build EVs when that plant opens later this year. GM has said it will eventually employ 2,200 workers and make the GMC Hummer EV pickup, GMC Hummer EV SUV, Chevrolet Silverado electric pickup and the self-driving electric Cruise Origin. At Orion, GM is investing $402 million to build Chevrolet Bolt EV, Chevrolet Bolt EUV and Cruise AV test vehicles. GM said that investment will support 1,100 jobs.
GM recently announced it will invest $2 billion at Spring Hill Assembly in Tennessee to build the Cadillac Lyriq EV SUV along side the internal combustion SUVs it presently builds. GM is investing $800 million in CAMI to build the EV600 electric delivery truck later this year for GM's electric light commercial truck startup BrightDrop. " So GM has spent or will spend $5. 5 Billion to upgrade US and Canadian plants.
Additionally, the fact that GM workers in Mexico are paid $15 PER DAY (1/10th of what US GM workers are paid) probably had absolutely nothing to do with GM's decision. Smh.
I am not affiliated with any political party. I vote for the candidate that will represent my interest of the day the best. That being said, being a Black man, liberal outlets keep telling me I am going to get killed by the police and all this stuff about there being systemic racism. I don't remember Fox stimulating any of this fear.
I tend to live by my experience and I have experienced this very big world to the tune of over 100 countries. Maybe shit like this is effective on someone that never lives outside of their 3 block neighborhood, but I know better. From nursery school to the Navy I have been around people of all races and my Black parents never talked to me about race. People were just people. Only in undergraduate was I around only Black people because I went to a historically Black college. Never had a sense or thought that a person among my group was getting an opportunity that I did not because they were White or I was not getting an opportunity because I was Black.
I am 49 years old and I have carried a gun since I was 21. At this point I own enough to carry a different one everyday of the month. Back when I first got my license my state was an open carry state, meaning the weapon had to be visible. I went into Bank of America one morning and waited in line with with my weapon exposed. Somebody tripped the alarm. Of course 30 policemen rushed in and asking no questions filled me with lead.
NOT! A lone WHITE policeman came inside and whispered to me to FOLLOW HIM outside and do not touch anything. We got outside to his car and I showed him my license. He said that the law says that you have to have it out in the open, but just cover it up anyway so people will not get scared.
I have not even been pulled over by a policeman in the last 20 years and the license plate on my car makes it known that I am Black. The two times before that when I was arrested (unpaid tickets), I did not argue and I did not resist. I knew I was in the wrong and did not try to fight the case in the street. I just got the handcuffs on me and got in the car and went to jail. I called someone to get me out. You know, like kind of how the system is designed to work. Simple!
Hell, one time the WHITE cop had pulled me over on the expressway, but when he found out he had to take me to jail he told me to pull off the exit and into a gas station so he would not have to tow the car. Then he let me call my mom and waited for her to come get the car. This was like 3 am. So fuck the shit CNN is trying to make everyone believe about the police and Black people.
And about this systemic racism shit. First question is what did you do to make yourself qualified for whatever you were trying to do? Folks claim this racism only using one set of data. 10 people over here are White and nobody is Black. They never even make mention that maybe no Black people were even interested in the position, or that over the last 10 years half the people applying have been Black but none of those that were QUALIFIED were accepted. We are led to believe that because there were no Blacks, no women, no gays, no whatever, something is wrong with the system.
Makes a big difference how you make your mind up depending on the data that is available to you. That is why they need to quit letting the public decide a case by seeing a short video clip and go back to the old system where a jury that has been presented ALL the evidence deliberates on the case and comes up with a decision.
I just want to see one time someone ask these well-off or popular people who keep shouting there is systemic racism, "Well how did you do it?" You mean with all this systemic racism the system let you accomplish something you wanted and you got rich. Let everybody in on your method so we can follow in your footsteps and circumvent this racist system you talk about the same way that you did.
Sorry. I am a 49 year old Black dude that has taken advantage of a multitude of opportunities that appeared before me. Ain't nobody giving nothing away. You have to put in work to make yourself marketable for what you want. Listening to these clowns reinforce you will never be able to do shit and will never be able to have shit because of this phantom racist system is pure bullshit.
I have heard Fox News say some ridiculous shit almost everyday, but drilling into people that they are somehow disadvantaged and don't stand a chance in this country is not one of them. When you know other countries and see what not having a chance really is, you realize the limitless chance you actually have in the USA.You are right on. It is great to hear from someone who lived. I agree 100% of your post. Can't wait to hear the response to this from the socialists here.
Mr Enternational
05-02-21, 15:01
You are right on. It is great to hear from someone who lived. I agree 100% of your post. Can't wait to hear the response to this from the socialists here.I have been on welfare before. And I think that welfare is actually a good thing. The problem is that it is applied improperly. These days it is called TANF: TEMPORARY Assistance for Needy Families. Somehow the "Temporary" seems to get overlooked and people with no ambition stay on it permanently and the government allows them to. Some would say it is actually designed for people to be on it permanently. Those little crumbs were not enough to satisfy my appetite, but it was there in my time of need.
I have been on welfare before. And I think that welfare is actually a good thing. The problem is that it is applied improperly. These days it is called TANF: TEMPORARY Assistance for Needy Families. Somehow the "Temporary" seems to get overlooked and people with no ambition stay on it permanently and the government allows them to. Some would say it is actually designed for people to be on it permanently. Those little crumbs were not enough to satisfy my appetite, but it was there in my time of need.I agree welfare is a positive for temporary relief but you are right about people just staying in it for life. Now we have the illegals that have children starting on welfare immediately when they are released. Welfare in USA is more than they were making in there country so they will be a burden forever.
Beijing4987
05-02-21, 18:12
Maybe those of higher intelligence can parse the costs vs benefits of this issue from the libertarian Cato Institute, founded as the Charles Koch Foundation In 1974. Just for fun let's discuss "Marcus Porcius Cato 234-149 BC. Cato, known for his conservatism and and opposition to Hellenization.
Maybe those of higher intelligence can parse the costs vs benefits of this issue from the libertarian Cato Institute, founded as the Charles Koch Foundation In 1974. Just for fun let's discuss "Marcus Porcius Cato 234-149 BC. Cato, known for his conservatism and and opposition to Hellenization.You don't need higher intelligence for welfare benefits. You just need common sense. Anyone with common sense knows welfare should be for USA citizens in need rather than welfare to illegals entering our country. USA gives billions of funding to countries to take care of their poor.
Beijing4987
05-03-21, 00:16
Wikipedia: "Foreign aid is given by the United States to other countries to support global peace, security and developmental efforts, and humanitarian relief during times of crisis. In 2016 42% was spent on long term development. 33% on military and security aid. 14% on humanitarian aid. 11% political aid. Enough griping about feeding and sheltering refugees and the tired trope about welfare queens, and "USA First". USA reaps benefits from giving out aid. Much was spent to rebuild Europe and Japan after WW2.
I have not even been pulled over by a policeman in the last 20 years and the license plate on my car makes it known that I am Black. The two times before that when I was arrested (unpaid tickets), I did not argue and I did not resist. I knew I was in the wrong and did not try to fight the case in the street. I just got the handcuffs on me and got in the car and went to jail. I called someone to get me out. You know, like kind of how the system is designed to work. Simple!.And this means that every other black person pulled over by the police and were shot or killed or treaty unfairly/unjustly or illegally targeted were wrong because it did not happen to you? What if in those cases the citizens are stating that they were not wrong, should they not call out the police if they believe the police were wrong? What if they conducted themselves the same way you did but the police that pulled them over was having a bad day, a bigot or simply a prick? Your life experiences are your own, it is anecdotal and to imply that because something did not happen to you people of your race are somehow responsible for the outcome in police interaction is spurious logic. I have never been scammed in my life, but I won't dismiss other people's claim of being scammed because it hasn't happened to me. I have never been sexually harassed in the workplace but will not dismiss another man's claim that he was because it did not happen to me. Even the police chiefs and police departments around the country are now acknowledging that their police department needs retraining as it relates to their interaction with the public. It is not a one-way street, and the police are not to be blamed in all these cases, but neither are the citizen. There are countless cases of police officers being terminated for cause and cities paying huge sums to citizens and in some cases their survivors because of the way the citizens were illegally/unfairly and unjustly treated by the police.
And about this systemic racism shit. First question is what did you do to make yourself qualified for whatever you were trying to do? Folks claim this racism only using one set of data. 10 people over here are White, and nobody is Black. They never even make mention that maybe no Black people were even interested in the position, or that over the last 10 years half the people applying have been Black but none of those that were QUALIFIED were accepted. We are led to believe that because there were no Blacks, no women, no gays, no whatever, something is wrong with the system. Makes a big difference how you make your mind up depending on the data that is available to you. That is why they need to quit letting the public decide a case by seeing a short video clip and go back to the old system where a jury that has been presented ALL the evidence deliberates on the case and comes up with a decision..You used the straw man argument that maybe no blacks, gay, or women were interested in or qualified for the positions. You cited no examples of this, you are simply making a supposition to make a point and improperly applying it to society, it is ridiculous in every sense of the word to believe that in an integrated and educated society there would be widespread occurrence of this ever occurring in any field. Unless someone is applying to be the head server for a pack of lions and hyenas in the Serengeti at feeding time or the clean-up cuckold in some cheap porn, hiring data tells us that more than one group of people would be interested in or qualified for most positions fields anywhere.
Heed your own advice and get off CNN, FOX or any other alleged news outlet and research for yourself. White males are over-represented in most high paying, white collar, executive, senior government position, the military, the courts, law makers, attorneys or most other high paying similar fields. The data from several verifiable sources shows this to be true. 30 to 35 percent of the population in the USA are white males but White males are overrepresented in most fields/occupations. In some fields, white males make up 70 percent and more in certain leadership/executive positions. Charles Brown is the first general to lead one of the military services as the chief of staff, (General officer in charge of the Air Force). The U.S Army has never had a black, Hispanic or woman Chief of Staff. Could it be that using your supposition that the only qualified people were white males or that no one else had any interest in that position?
Lloyd Austin is the first Black Secretary of Defense of the USA. Do you think that there has never been any other minority qualified for or interested in that position until now? Austin did a "60 minutes" interview recently where he addressed racism and it effects. He was asked about the absence of black generals on the Joint Chiefs staff, he promised that under his watch, he would address that issue as he would be the one making the recommendation for staffing to the president. See how he answered that question. Take a look at it and get another perspective, you may be surprised. Because Austin made it to that position does not negate the fact that systemic racism exists, on the contrary, it shows us that it does because of the amount of time it took for a qualified and interested minority to attain that position.
Your example of "how a person made it if systemic racism exists" is off the charts illogical. That person made it despite systemic racism, but what the numbers demonstrate is that in a society where a group of people who comprises 12 to 15 percent of the population; they should be represented more than the 1 to 2 percent they are in many management/senior/white collar/executive positions. Look at the Federal judges today and you will see they are mostly white males; would you conclude that the reasoning for this is that they are the most qualified or they are in a select network and a select group of people selects them for those position?
Not one Asian and only two blacks have ever served on the Supreme Court. Is it that because the only qualified people are the ones who are on the court or the ones who served? Why have no blacks, Asians or Hispanic ever served as FBI Director? Is it because only white males are desirous of that job or only white males were always the best qualified? Look at the make-up of jobs on Wall Street or corporate America, the people in the media, especially on TV. Why are minority representation so low? The evidence shows that it is not from a lack of qualifcation and interest but a lack of opportunity. For the first time in its history, a woman will lead U.S Citizenship and Immigration services. Is it because she is the first qualified woman? There are so many more examples. The point is that is that no reasonable person would conclude that on a widespread basis the absent of minorities in positions/fields is a result of their lack of qualification or lack of interest or that the other person was always more qualified than they were. Their non-selection is in many instances are attributed to the people with the power to make such selection not selecting them despite their superior qualifications and interest.
A recent study showed that there are only 4 black CEOs of fortune 500 companies, lack of interest or are they not qualified for those positions? Systemic racism exists whether you see it or not and not and your personal experience are not representative of society at large. The data and the numbers are much more representative than your individual situation because those numbers are inclusive of everyone, ergo it becomes empirical data while your situation is about you, remember the YMMV abbreviation? Every occurrence is not because of racism, sometimes the minority candidate is not the right fit or is not qualified. Which is why it starts with education and opportunity for the people who want it so that the proverbial playing field can be leveled. However, to summarily dismiss systemic racism because it has not happened to you or a couple of minority made it shows how out of your depth you are on this topic. If the situation was reversed and say Asians were the majority and held most of the high paying position and were given the same majority of the opportunities as whites are today you would hear the same systemic racism argument from whites which would be right.
I am not affiliated with any political party. I vote for the candidate that will represent my interest of the day the best. That being said, being a Black man, liberal outlets keep telling me I am going to get killed by the police and all this stuff about there being systemic racism. I don't remember Fox stimulating any of this fear.
I tend to live by my experience and I have experienced this very big world to the tune of over 100 countries. Maybe shit like this is effective on someone that never lives outside of their 3 block neighborhood, but I know better. From nursery school to the Navy I have been around people of all races and my Black parents never talked to me about race. People were just people. Only in undergraduate was I around only Black people because I went to a historically Black college. Never had a sense or thought that a person among my group was getting an opportunity that I did not because they were White or I was not getting an opportunity because I was Black.
I am 49 years old and I have carried a gun since I was 21. At this point I own enough to carry a different one everyday of the month. Back when I first got my license my state was an open carry state, meaning the weapon had to be visible. I went into Bank of America one morning and waited in line with with my weapon exposed. Somebody tripped the alarm. Of course 30 policemen rushed in and asking no questions filled me with lead.
NOT! A lone WHITE policeman came inside and whispered to me to follow him outside and do not touch anything. We got outside to his car and I showed him my license. He said that the law says that you have to have it out in the open, but just cover it up anyway so people will not get scared.
I have not even been pulled over by a policeman in the last 20 years and the license plate on my car makes it known that I am Black. The two times before that when I was arrested (unpaid tickets), I did not argue and I did not resist. I knew I was in the wrong and did not try to fight the case in the street. I just got the handcuffs on me and got in the car and went to jail. I called someone to get me out. You know, like kind of how the system is designed to work. Simple!Post of the year.
If the situation was reversed and say Asians were the majority and held most of the high paying position and were given the same majority of the opportunities as whites are today you would hear the same systemic racism argument from whites which would be right.UCLA's student enrollment is 50% Asian, despite Asians making up only a tiny fraction of the population of LA and California. 75% of players in the NBA are black, despite making up only 12% of the population of the USA.
Both of these institutions are very high-profile and positions in them are highly sought-after by people of all races. It must therefore be systemic racism against white people which keeps them underrepresented in both UCLA and the NBA. Fortunately, mobs of white people have not burned down cities in protest at this injustice.
QUOTE=Run MannAnd this means that every other black person pulled over by the police and were shot or killed or treaty unfairly / unjustly or illegally targeted were wrong because it did not happen to you? What if in those cases the citizens are stating that they were not wrong, should they not call out the police if they believe the police were wrong? What if they conducted themselves the same way you did but the police that pulled them over was having a bad day, a bigot or simply a prick? Your life experiences are your own, it is anecdotal and to imply that because something did not happen to you people of your race are somehow responsible for the outcome in police interaction is spurious logic. I have never been scammed in my life, but I won't dismiss other people's claim of being scammed because it hasn't happened to me. I have never been sexually harassed in the workplace but will not dismiss another man's claim that he was because it did not happen to me. Even the police chiefs and police departments around the country are now acknowledging that their police department needs retraining as it relates to their interaction with the public. It is not a one-way street, and the police are not to be blamed in all these cases, but neither are the citizen. There are countless cases of police officers being terminated for cause and cities paying huge sums to citizens and in some cases their survivors because of the way the citizens were illegally / unfairly and unjustly treated by the police.
Common sense says he wasn't shot because he wasn't a criminal and didn't resist arrest or pull a gun or knife. It does not matter if you are black or white or purple. If you are a criminal which all the blacks were that were shot by police last year and you resist arrest you probably will be tasered or shot. I agree some cops are more aggressive but most police risk their lives for you every day. They have a split second to make a decision when a criminal resists arrest or pulls a gun or knife. The democratic cities that have started defunding their police have seen a 50-177% increase in crime and murders. Do you want to live in a city like that? Do you want your kids and grandkids living in a city of crime? Really??
Common sense says Mr International wasn't shot because he wasn't a criminal and didn't resist arrest or pull a gun or knife. It does not matter if you are black or white or purple. If you are a criminal which all the blacks were that were shot by police last year and you resist arrest you probably will be tasered or shot. I agree some cops are more aggressive but most police risk their lives for you every day. They have a split second to make a decision when a criminal resists arrest or pulls a gun or knife. The democratic cities that have started defunding their police have seen a 50-177% increase in crime and murders. Do you want to live in a city like that? Do you want your kids and grandkids living in a city of.
And this means that every other black person pulled over by the police and were shot or killed or treaty unfairly/unjustly or illegally targeted were wrong because it did not happen to you? What if in those cases the citizens are stating that they were not wrong, should they not call out the police if they believe the police were wrong? What if they conducted themselves the same way you did but the police that pulled them over was having a bad day, a bigot or simply a prick? Your life experiences are your own, it is anecdotal and to imply that because something did not happen to you people of your race are somehow responsible for the outcome in police interaction is spurious logic. I have never been scammed in my life, but I won't dismiss other people's claim of being scammed because it hasn't happened to me. I have never been sexually harassed in the workplace but will not dismiss another man's claim that he was because it did not happen to me. Even the police chiefs and police departments around the country are now acknowledging that their police department needs retraining as it relates to their interaction with the public. It is not a one-way street, and the police are not to be blamed in all these cases, but neither are the citizen. There are countless cases of police officers being terminated for cause and cities paying huge sums to citizens and in some cases their survivors because of the way the citizens were illegally/unfairly and unjustly treated by the police..Very true. Unfortunately, your writing and logic are falling on deaf ears. The people who should hear this message won't because in their world, anybody that doesn't think the way they do is either a socialist or a communist.
Mr Enternational
05-03-21, 14:14
White males are over-represented in most high paying, white collar, executive, senior government position, the military, the courts, law makers, attorneys or most other high paying similar fields. The data from several verifiable sources shows this to be true. 30 to 35 percent of the population in the USA are white males but White males are overrepresented in most fields/occupations. In some fields, white males make up 70 percent and more in certain leadership/executive positions. Charles Brown is the first general to lead one of the military services as the chief of staff, (General officer in charge of the Air Force). The U.S Army has never had a black, Hispanic or woman Chief of Staff. Could it be that using your supposition that the only qualified people were white males or that no one else had any interest in that position?I was a Navy officer. Most of my friends retired with 20+ years and as O5. The few that are still in are O6 now with 26 years. I know of 1 Black guy that has stayed in long enough to be a flag officer, which is O7. I think he just got it last year or the year before and he graduated 10 years before us. The Chief of Naval Operations has the rank of O10 and has been in the Navy for 36 years. Only 32 people in history has held this position.
The first thing that needs to be considered is how many Black people are sticking around to have a chance at the position. The second thing is how many other people are they in competition with. If there is only 1 Black guy and the other 49 of his peers are White, even if it did not go on performace and politics, what are the odds of the Black guy getting it if they even did something as random as drew names out of a hat? Hell, even if they could pick all the guys, there would be 2% Black Chiefs of Staff, not 13% or 30%.
That person made it despite systemic racism, but what the numbers demonstrate is that in a society where a group of people who comprises 12 to 15 percent of the population; they should be represented more than the 1 to 2 percent they are in many management/senior/white collar/executive positions. Look at the Federal judges today and you will see they are mostly white males; would you conclude that the reasoning for this is that they are the most qualified or they are in a select network and a select group of people selects them for those position?What percentage of the population a certain race is has zero to do with the percent that "should" be in a particular field. This country is composed of 60% Whites, 18% Hispanics, 13% Blacks, and 6% Asians. The NBA is 74% Black, 17% White, 2% Hispanic, .4% Asian. What does one have to do with the other? Not a damn thing.
I am from one of the Blackest cities in the country. The part time program at my grad school in that same city was ranked 5th in the nation. When I graduated with my MBA we were a class of about 200. There was 1 other Black guy besides me and 1 Black woman. These are the first numbers you should be looking at. It does NOT start with the percentage of a particular race in the country, but the ones in the class willing to work towards that something!
As I said before, you go by the people that are qualified. So us 3 Blacks out of 200 people is 1.5%. That means if everybody in my class was offered and executive position there would be how many Black executives? 1.5%! So the 1% or 2% that you mentioned does actually sound like a plausible number believe it or not.
So what does the 13% of Black citizens even have to do with this if they have not studied and shown themselves approved? How can you say White males are over-represented when they made up 90% of the class? Was the school supposed to pull more Blacks out of its ass?
And to really state the deal, I should not have even been there. I was actually on my way to law school when a buddy convinced me to go to business school instead. I had never even had a business class in my life before my masters. So without me there would have only been 1% Blacks. Every Black graduate in the country had the same opportunity to go take the test and sign up for an MBA program the same way that I did. But how many actually did it?
After that you should be looking at the performace of the Black people. I can tell you that I got nothing near a 4.0. So when it is time for those executive jobs there would have been 180 other people ahead of this Black guy, rightfully so. Now if I had the 4.0 and the random White dude showed up with the 3.2 and he got the executive position, we may have had to talk to Houston about that problem. Everyone had the same opportunity, but not everyone will have the same outcome. You can not seriously include those that did not even want to take advantage of the opportunity in your statistics of who got what outcome. They were not even in it to be thinking about winning it in the first place. They are just innocent bystanders.
Next let's talk about why Black males are under-represented as classical pianists.
Mr Enternational
05-03-21, 14:37
And this means that every other black person pulled over by the police and were shot or killed or treaty unfairly/unjustly or illegally targeted were wrong because it did not happen to you?Nope. It means that if George Floyd would have gotten into the car 20 minutes ago like they asked him, then he would still be alive. It means that if Dante Wright would not have hopped his ass back into the car and tried to drive away, then he would still be alive. You fight your case in court, not on the street.
Only 2 cases in recent history that I can remember when a person got shot and they were being cooperative. That is Philando Castile in Minnesota who told the cop he legally had his gun on him and the dumbass shot him for no reason and the guy in South Carolina that the cop told him to get his license, then he shot the guy when he turned his back and went into his truck to get said license. Those 2 incidents blew my fucking mind.
https://abcnews4.com/amp/news/crime-news/ex-state-trooper-who-shot-unarmed-black-man-reaching-for-wallet-gets-3-years-in-prison
It makes no difference to Canada what you post. If the source isn't Fox "News", trump, OANN etc. It is all BS to him. He has made it quite clear that he believes that all Democrats are ignorant, socialists and racists and only Republicans have the ability to think and aren't racist.I agree. But some other people with the same leanings but perhaps more reasonable and sensible may be reading, forming and / or changing their opinions.
The USA is the only country in the world that makes such a big deal about what your skin color is. It's ridiculous. EEO categories are stupid. I have been to 25 countries. Sure, there is always some prejudice but not to the degree as it is in USA. Hell, in Brazil you will see all kinds of mixed couples. It's normal. I don't give a fuck about skin color. We should all be more concerned about character, yes? BTW, Run Man, don't you know who Colin Powell is? Geez. I would've voted for him for president if he ran. Mr. E, I was air force officer, too (0-3) and served with many fine officers and enlisted of all colors. All this racism shit is bullshit. All lives matter.
Only 2 cases in recent history that I can remember when a person got shot and they were being cooperative. That is Philando Castile in Minnesota who told the cop he legally had his gun on him and the dumbass shot him for no reason and the guy in South Carolina that the cop told him to get his license, then he shot the guy when he turned his back and went into his truck to get said license.
https://abcnews4.com/amp/news/crime-news/ex-state-trooper-who-shot-unarmed-black-man-reaching-for-wallet-gets-3-years-in-prisonYeah, Floyd deserved that knee on his neck, thanfully the jury did not share your view. So if that happened in those two cases how do we know it did not happened in more cases. The do as you're told and everything will be ok sounds good but real people know there are good cops but there are also dirty cops who break the law more than some criminals do.
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/25/956177021/fatal-police-shootings-of-unarmed-black-people-reveal-troubling-patterns
I was a Navy officer. Most of my friends retired with 20+ years and as O5. The few that are still in are O6 now with 26 years. I know of 1 Black guy that has stayed in long enough to be a flag officer, which is O7. I think he just got it last year or the year before and he graduated 10 years before us. The Chief of Naval Operations has the rank of O10 and has been in the Navy for 36 years. Only 32 people in history has held this position.
.If you were a Navy officer then you would know that the services release a selection list that shows detailed data of who was selected and who was not. There is no need to go back to the strawman argument because everyone interested in the promotion list knows who was selected and who was not and who was in the zone of consideration. The data is released for the entire service, not just the people you know. the discussion. Selecting someone for a position is not based soley on GPA, there are a number of factors that have to be taken into consideration. This discussion is about whether or not systemic racism exist in the USA. I provided several examples detailing why it does. In your America, if you truly believe it does not after what I provided so be it. The data is not only about you and not only about one or two years, it is a calcluation of years which means that even if we accept the numbers in your sample, that sample would only be applicable to that year or years you are refering. Learned and experienced black people like Colin Powell and Condi Rice sees systemic racism in America but what would they know. Your point on this issue is about as looney as your point that American's don't make laws they vote for other people to make laws, As if the people they vote for are from a foreign country.
https://www.benjerry.com/whats-new/2016/systemic-racism-is-real
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6#black-americans-are-underrepresented-in-high-paying-jobs-3.
https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-now/2009/07/powell-still-supportive-of-affirmative-action-019573
Very true. Unfortunately, your writing and logic are falling on deaf ears. The people who should hear this message won't because in their world, anybody that doesn't think the way they do is either a socialist or a communist.Thanks but I could never have a discussion with that poster, he is just not worth it but the good news is he is not even a voter so he is irrelevant to me.
More fallacious black and white thinking and a cop out. So since evil will always exist then let's stop confronting it? Education would be pointless as no one ever changes. Jim Crow would still be firmly implanted. Women wouldn't have the right to vote or opportunities to excel in careers in great numbers. We'd likely be speaking another language now as there would have been no point in fighting back in the world wars. The list goes on.
Stick with the brothel talk Bro.Excellent, you hit the nail on the head here.
Mr Enternational
05-03-21, 18:35
Yeah, Floyd deserved that knee on his neck, thanfully the jury did not share your view.I did not say he deserved anything. I am saying that when you are belligerent and don't follow lawful instruction, then you get what you get. Sometimes keeping it real goes wrong.
As far as the jury, many people say they had no choice given the climate of canceling and doxing. If they had decided any other way, their lives may have been in danger. I was the jury foreman on a meth trafficking case 2 years ago this month. We deliberated for 3 days. There is no way a fair and impartial jury is going to only deliberate 10 hours on a murder case. Those people knew what they had to do.
I am not affiliated with any political party. I vote for the candidate that will represent my interest of the day the best. That being said, being a Black man, liberal outlets keep telling me I am going to get killed by the police and all this stuff about there being systemic racism. I don't remember Fox stimulating any of this fear...Congratulations! Bully for you, that you were able to rise from difficult and humble beginnings.
Just like white folk, black folk are not a monolith. Our individual experiences are our own.
MLK, Malcolm X, Oprah Winfrey, among countless, others, also rose from difficult and humbling beginnings. That said, it doesn't stop them from fighting for others citizens Civil Rights, Equal Rights, Women's rights, Children Rights, Humanitarian Rights, Voting rights...etc. Whereby countless of future generations of US citizens (from all backgrounds) benefit from their activism.
Your absolutely right, "Foxy News", says some crazy shit. If you don't think there coverage of the news is racist at times, that your prerogative. I think they are racist as hell in their right-wing, white supremacy and white privilege coverage or non-coverage of the news.
On the long road to justice and equal rights for all, actions will always speak louder than words and one man's opinions (yours, Canada's or mine) spouting their "bias or non-bias" opinions on a monger site, is hardly going to "carry the day" and in the end, don't amount much to "a hill of beans".
And this means that every other black person pulled over by the police and were shot or killed or treaty unfairly/unjustly or illegally targeted were wrong because it did not happen to you? What if in those cases the citizens are stating that they were not wrong, should they not call out the police if they believe the police were wrong? What if they conducted themselves the same way you did but the police that pulled them over was having a bad day, a bigot or simply a prick? Your life experiences are your own, it is anecdotal and to imply that because something did not happen to you people of your race are somehow responsible for the outcome in police interaction is spurious logic. I have never been scammed in my life, but I won't dismiss other people's claim of being scammed because it hasn't happened to me. I have never been sexually harassed in the workplace but will not dismiss another man's claim that he was because it did not happen to me. Even the police chiefs and police departments around the country are now acknowledging that their police department needs retraining as it relates to their interaction with the public. It is not a one-way street, and the police are not to be blamed in all these cases, but neither are the citizen. There are countless cases of police officers being terminated for cause and cities paying huge sums to citizens and in some cases their survivors because of the way the citizens were illegally/unfairly and unjustly treated by the police.
You used the straw man argument that maybe no blacks, gay, or women were interested in or qualified for the positions. You cited no examples of this, you are simply making a supposition to make a point and improperly applying it to society, it is ridiculous in every sense of the word to believe that in an integrated and educated society there would be widespread occurrence of this ever occurring in any field. Unless someone is applying to be the head server for a pack of lions and hyenas in the Serengeti at feeding time or the clean-up cuckold in some cheap porn, hiring data tells us that more than one group of people would be interested in or qualified for most positions fields anywhere.
Heed your own advice and get off CNN, FOX or any other alleged news outlet and research for yourself. White males are over-represented in most high paying, white collar, executive, senior government position, the military, the courts, law makers, attorneys or most other high paying similar fields. The data from several verifiable sources shows this to be true. 30 to 35 percent of the population in the USA are white males but White males are overrepresented in most fields/occupations. In some fields, white males make up 70 percent and more in certain leadership/executive positions. Charles Brown is the first general to lead one of the military services as the chief of staff, (General officer in charge of the Air Force). The U.S Army has never had a black, Hispanic or woman Chief of Staff. Could it be that using your supposition that the only qualified people were white males or that no one else had any interest in that position?
Lloyd Austin is the first Black Secretary of Defense of the USA. Do you think that there has never been any other minority qualified for or interested in that position until now? Austin did a "60 minutes" interview recently where he addressed racism and it effects. He was asked about the absence of black generals on the Joint Chiefs staff, he promised that under his watch, he would address that issue as he would be the one making the recommendation for staffing to the president. See how he answered that question. Take a look at it and get another perspective, you may be surprised. Because Austin made it to that position does not negate the fact that systemic racism exists, on the contrary, it shows us that it does because of the amount of time it took for a qualified and interested minority to attain that position.
Your example of "how a person made it if systemic racism exists" is off the charts illogical. That person made it despite systemic racism, but what the numbers demonstrate is that in a society where a group of people who comprises 12 to 15 percent of the population; they should be represented more than the 1 to 2 percent they are in many management/senior/white collar/executive positions. Look at the Federal judges today and you will see they are mostly white males; would you conclude that the reasoning for this is that they are the most qualified or they are in a select network and a select group of people selects them for those position?
Not one Asian and only two blacks have ever served on the Supreme Court. Is it that because the only qualified people are the ones who are on the court or the ones who served? Why have no blacks, Asians or Hispanic ever served as FBI Director? Is it because only white males are desirous of that job or only white males were always the best qualified? Look at the make-up of jobs on Wall Street or corporate America, the people in the media, especially on TV. Why are minority representation so low? The evidence shows that it is not from a lack of qualifcation and interest but a lack of opportunity. For the first time in its history, a woman will lead U.S Citizenship and Immigration services. Is it because she is the first qualified woman? There are so many more examples. The point is that is that no reasonable person would conclude that on a widespread basis the absent of minorities in positions/fields is a result of their lack of qualification or lack of interest or that the other person was always more qualified than they were. Their non-selection is in many instances are attributed to the people with the power to make such selection not selecting them despite their superior qualifications and interest.
A recent study showed that there are only 4 black CEOs of fortune 500 companies, lack of interest or are they not qualified for those positions? Systemic racism exists whether you see it or not and not and your personal experience are not representative of society at large. The data and the numbers are much more representative than your individual situation because those numbers are inclusive of everyone, ergo it becomes empirical data while your situation is about you, remember the YMMV abbreviation? Every occurrence is not because of racism, sometimes the minority candidate is not the right fit or is not qualified. Which is why it starts with education and opportunity for the people who want it so that the proverbial playing field can be leveled. However, to summarily dismiss systemic racism because it has not happened to you or a couple of minority made it shows how out of your depth you are on this topic. If the situation was reversed and say Asians were the majority and held most of the high paying position and were given the same majority of the opportunities as whites are today you would hear the same systemic racism argument from whites which would be right.Spot On! Very nice counterpoints.
I did not say he deserved anything. I am saying that when you are belligerent and don't follow lawful instruction, then you get what you get. Sometimes keeping it real goes wrong.
As far as the jury, many people say they had no choice given the climate of canceling and doxing. If they had decided any other way, their lives may have been in danger. I was the jury foreman on a meth trafficking case 2 years ago this month. We deliberated for 3 days. There is no way a fair and impartial jury is going to only deliberate 10 hours on a murder case. Those people knew what they had to do.That's exactly what you stated before and what you're stating now. Even if he did not follow instructions, he should not have been killed by a police officer who is trained to served and protect. As to the jury, there you go spouting off again with no proof. Those people have brains, they saw a police with his knees on a man's neck for nine minutes, they had doctors telling them that the man died because the police had his knee on the man's neck so he expired. They heard another police tell the convicted police that he could not feel a pulse on the man but the convicted police kept his knees on the man's neck anyway. They heard the man pleeding for his life. They had the chief of police come in and tell them that what the police did was a violation of their policy and was not allowed. How much more deliberation than let's say five minutes do they need? The OJ jury came back fast too, they made the right decision but we all know they got it wrong because of what they were given.
As to the jury, there you go spouting off again with no proof. Those people have brains, they saw a police with his knees on a man's neck for nine minutes, they had doctors telling them that the man died because the police had his knee on the man's neck so he expired. They heard another police tell the convicted police that he could not feel a pulse on the man but the convicted police kept his knees on the man's neck anyway. They heard the man pleeding for his life. They had the chief of police come in and tell them that what the police did was a violation of their policy and was not allowed.There was plenty of solid evidence for a conscientious jury to hang their hats on. They did their duty. Also credit to the young lady at the curb, cell phone in hand who shot the video, without which Chauvin might still be a police officer. This unsubstantiated allegation that the jury made their decision based on external pressure rather than the evidence is the product of guys like Tucker Carlson and his sheep. The truth though is that the former is intelligent enough to know better, but needs to come up with provocative material for every show to keep up the ratings and line his pockets. The dumb sheep that think they are accessing a "fair and balanced" news source don't know better unfortunately.
That's exactly what you stated before and what you're stating now. Even if he did not follow instructions, he should not have been killed by a police officer who is trained to served and protect. As to the jury, there you go spouting off again with no proof. Those people have brains, they saw a police with his knees on a man's neck for nine minutes, they had doctors telling them that the man died because the police had his knee on the man's neck so he expired. They heard another police tell the convicted police that he could not feel a pulse on the man but the convicted police kept his knees on the man's neck anyway. They heard the man pleeding for his life. They had the chief of police come in and tell them that what the police did was a violation of their policy and was not allowed. How much more deliberation than let's say five minutes do they need? The OJ jury came back fast too, they made the right decision but we all know they got it wrong because of what they were given.This was one case by a rogue police officer. Police officers are trained to react to the situation. In most cases blacks were shot for resisting arrest and had a weapon. An officer is trained to stop that criminal before he gets harmed or anyone else gets harmed. Where is your outrage when a black police officer shoots a white criminal who resists arrest? Where is your outrage for all the blacks killing blacks and killing black innocent children in all the democratic cities like Chicago. Don't those Black Lives Matter. Are the only Black lives that matter have to be criminals breaking the law and getting shot by white police. Is that what you are saying.
I did not say he deserved anything. I am saying that when you are belligerent and don't follow lawful instruction, then you get what you get. Sometimes keeping it real goes wrong.Why is it so hard for people to understand that it's by their behavior that consequences come to them? If a black man tells me he has suffered racism, I have no reason to doubt him. Just like I wouldn't doubt an Asian, a Hispanic, a catholic, a homosexual, a fat person, an ethnic of any kind, or anyone who says they experienced ill-treatment. But this blaming other people for problems that you created yourself has gone too far.
This unsubstantiated allegation that the jury made their decision based on external pressure rather than the evidence is the product of guys like Tucker Carlson and his sheep. The truth though is that the former is intelligent enough to know better, but needs to come up with provocative material for every show to keep up the ratings and line his pockets. The dumb sheep that think they are accessing a "fair and balanced" news source don't know better unfortunately.Some people still belive Fox is real news but take it from Fox themselves they are not. At least Tucker Carlson is not. FOX and Carlson were sued for slander and Fox defense of Carlson was to argue:
That no 'reasonable viewer' takes Tucker Carlson seriously. You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. The judge in the case ruled that "The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that Carlson is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary. ' ".
US District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil agreed with Fox's premise, adding that the network "persuasively argues" that "given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive (s) with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statements he makes. " This 'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that he is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary, the ruling said.
Incredelous right but hopefully now some of you loyal Fox viewers who rely on Carlson to inform you, now know that he is not engaging in facts. Shocker, LOL! Question is, why would a "news" organzation showcase a fraud in their primetime slot every week night?
https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye
I am not affiliated with any political party. I vote for the candidate that will represent my interest of the day the best. That being said, being a Black man, liberal outlets keep telling me I am going to get killed by the police and all this stuff about there being systemic racism. I don't remember Fox stimulating any of this fear. It's great that you know how to behave in order to stay safe. Whether through good parents or other influences such as community role models or your military service, you learned how to mesh well into mainstream society's behavioral expectations.
I agree with your many of your points. And to some other's point, I hate the use of the term "systemic" racism because, even though I believe that racism is a hurdle for many people, I don't believe much of it is systemic but rather cultural.
But there lies the problem with your perspective. Being born into lower economic tiers and perceived racial tiers poses its challenges. The average white or Asian person in the US is generally born into a better economic and educational situation than the average black or brown kid. Without the financial cushion or cultural influences where certain standards of education or conduct molds a person's behaviors and character, it's harder for the average black kid to assimilate to the mainstream culture. Lack of role model is the superficial and simplistic reasoning I guess.
When black or brown kids develop the mannerisms and thought processes that surround them at an early age, naturally, that will pose challenges in the Anglo-culture adult world. I know I grew up in a rough neighborhood with a brash culture. As a result, many times in everyday life, people think that I am angry when I am only speaking passionately. You are often the product of your surroundings. I see the same trend in many black kids. To many, they are acting according to the way they were raised. They don't see their behavior as uncivil, wrong, or that it may cause discomfort in others.
But put that comfort with the expression of primal emotion and the lack of material resources alongside the differing expression of mainstream Anglo society, and you have friction and misunderstanding often due to differences in communication or behavioral norms. Take that stereotypical poor black kid culture in certain Latin or Souteast Asian societies and maybe situations would not escalate to physical altercations with law enforcement.
I say these things not to excuse certain outcomes; we are all in the end ultimately responsible for growth and adaptation. Rather, I am recognizing that some groups have obstacles that hinder their growth. Understanding the source of the problem may lead to better outcomes.
The alternative explanation is to say that black kids are born innately bad or inferior. Who here believes that and are willing to say it out loud?
And this means that every other black person pulled over by the police and were shot or killed or treaty unfairly/unjustly or illegally targeted were wrong because it did not happen to you?That one BTW is it's own fallacy in and of itself. On the internet it's right up there with the straw man and proof by repetition (ad nauseam) in popularity.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
This was one case by a rogue police officer. Police officers are trained to react to the situation. In most cases blacks were shot for resisting arrest and had a weapon. An officer is trained to stop that criminal before he gets harmed or anyone else gets harmed. Where is your outrage when a black police officer shoots a white criminal who resists arrest? Where is your outrage for all the blacks killing blacks and killing black innocent children in all the democratic cities like Chicago. Don't those Black Lives Matter. Are the only Black lives that matter have to be criminals breaking the law and getting shot by white police. Is that what you are saying.Once again you deflect. Blacks killing blacks is not about racism apart from people like yourself arguing against policies that would address the problem. Why is it that most mass shootings are carried out by whites? Why is this an epidemic almost exclusively American? Why is the US subject to so many more civilian gun deaths than any other country?
If you don't believe in that there is extensive racism then you are the most deluded person on the planet. I am racist though I try to suppress it in my daily life. I'm sure blacks are racist against whites and Asians. I'm sure Asians are racist. It's an inbuilt tribal behaviour to distrust those who are different. It is how we behave towards one another that dictates whether it becomes a systematic problem. Your denial and deflection is just a hindrance to achieving a more harmonious society.
Gazette Times .
05 03 2021.
Jim Redden.
"Former Oregon House Speaker and current Clackamas Community College board member Dave Hunt (Democrat) was cited by Portland police in an undercover sex traffic sting operation in April.
Contacted by the Portland Tribune on Monday, Hunt said, "I don't think I should talk about that."
Clackamas Community College announced several hours later that Hunt was taking a leave from the board.
As a legislator, Hunt was one of numerous sponsors of a bill criminalizing sex trafficking in 2007. In 2011, he also voted for HB 2714, the bill that created the crime of commercial sexual solicitation, the crime for which he was arrested and cited.
The Portland Police Bureau issued a press release on Saturday saying its Human Trafficking Unit had cited eight men in an operation conducted in April. Officers posted online decoy ads on known human trafficking websites, and the subjects who "contacted undercover police officers to arrange payment for sexual acts" were criminally cited on the charge of commercial sexual solicitation.
The release did not name those cited, but said the list was available on request. The Portland Tribune requested the list and received it Monday morning, May 3. It included "53-year-old David Hunt of Milwaukie."
Comments: he sponsors and votes a bill to punish men who hire prostitutes, and he gets caught breaking the law that he sponsored. Sadly ironic. . . And typical of American politicians. . . Hoist by his own petard.
Mr Enternational
05-04-21, 12:01
I agree with your many of your points. And to some other's point, I hate the use of the term "systemic" racism because, even though I believe that racism is a hurdle for many people, I don't believe much of it is systemic but rather cultural.
But there lies the problem with your perspective. Being born into lower economic tiers and perceived racial tiers poses its challenges. The average white or Asian person in the US is generally born into a better economic and educational situation than the average black or brown kid.
When black or brown kids develop the mannerisms and thought processes that surround them at an early age, naturally, that will pose challenges in the Anglo-culture adult world.
I say these things not to excuse certain outcomes; we are all in the end ultimately responsible for growth and adaptation. Rather, I am recognizing that some groups have obstacles that hinder their growth. Understanding the source of the problem may lead to better outcomes.
The alternative explanation is to say that black kids are born innately bad or inferior. Who here believes that and are willing to say it out loud?I would disagree that Asians are born into better economic conditions. When you travel the world you will see Chinese people doing the exact same shit you have seen in America. I have seen this shit with my own eyes. Dominican Republic, Panama, Brazil. They go there without a pot to urinate in and can't even speak the language! They sell fruit on a corner or work at a restaurant meanwhile learning the language. Eventually they buy a little restaurant or small store. Their whole family sleeps in the back of said restaurant or store.
They send the kids to school to learn business or medicine and the kids speak the local languange and their native language perfectly. They end up owning a chain of stores or restaurants and the local Blacks resent them thinking somebody gave them something or they had some kind of upper hand. No. They just put their noses to the grindstone and didn't make any damn excuses about a system that was out to get them.
You are damn right it is cultural. Because a big arguement is that you do not hear these things from African immigrants who are some would say even Blacker than Black Americans. You see them on the news being offered scholarships from 10 different Ivy League schools. You see them as Beverly Hills plastic surgeons. American descendants of slaves are constantly told by their own people about how they are being held back by the system, that they end up perpetuating the lie and holding themselves back. You see those 4 million dollar houses that Black Lives Matter lady bought? Appears nobody is holding her back or out to kill her. Hmmm.
Even when given things like stimulus checks or the PPP loans, they didn't use that money to better their situation. Jewelry purchases in the Black community went up and a lot of people falsified loans to become ballers. Meanwhile I used my shit and bought some Dogecoin turning that free money into 10 times what it was worth in a short period of time. Now it is time to go out and buy a new gold chain!
I did not say he deserved anything. I am saying that when you are belligerent and don't follow lawful instruction, then you get what you get. Sometimes keeping it real goes wrong.
As far as the jury, many people say they had no choice given the climate of canceling and doxing. If they had decided any other way, their lives may have been in danger. I was the jury foreman on a meth trafficking case 2 years ago this month. We deliberated for 3 days. There is no way a fair and impartial jury is going to only deliberate 10 hours on a murder case. Those people knew what they had to do.Very true. One of the jurors has come out and said so since the trial. Hell, even the judge said that Maxine Waters' public incitement of violence was probable grounds for an appeal.
This was one case by a rogue police officer. Police officers are trained to react to the situation. In most cases blacks were shot for resisting arrest and had a weapon. An officer is trained to stop that criminal before he gets harmed or anyone else gets harmed. Where is your outrage when a black police officer shoots a white criminal who resists arrest? Where is your outrage for all the blacks killing blacks and killing black innocent children in all the democratic cities like Chicago. Don't those Black Lives Matter. Are the only Black lives that matter have to be criminals breaking the law and getting shot by white police. Is that what you are saying.That is exactly what they and their fake news are saying. The fact is that the number of unarmed black men shot dead by police in America is around 10 a year. In a country of 330 million. Of those ten or so, several were shot by non-white cops, and others were charging the cop and trying to grab his gun (as in the Michael Brown shooting). The actual number of unarmed black men complying with instructions who are killed by white police is so low it is frankly probably zero. And yet we are told it is some kind of epidemic, which is the exact opposite of reality. This complete clownworld inversion of the truth is something you would expect in North Korea or the Soviet Union. Thank goodness we still have some free media who refuse to go along with the establishment fake news line.
I would disagree that Asians are born into better economic conditions. When you travel the world you will see Chinese people doing the exact same shit you have seen in America. I have seen this shit with my own eyes. Dominican Republic, Panama, Brazil. They go there without a pot to urinate in and can't even speak the language! They sell fruit on a corner or work at a restaurant meanwhile learning the language. Eventually they buy a little restaurant or small store. Their whole family sleeps in the back of said restaurant or store.
They send the kids to school to learn business or medicine and the kids speak the local languange and their native language perfectly. They end up owning a chain of stores or restaurants and the local Blacks resent them thinking somebody gave them something or they had some kind of upper hand. No. They just put their noses to the grindstone and didn't make any damn excuses about a system that was out to get them.
You are damn right it is cultural. Because a big arguement is that you do not hear these things from African immigrants who are some would say even Blacker than Black Americans. You see them on the news being offered scholarships from 10 different Ivy League schools. You see them as Beverly Hills plastic surgeons. American descendants of slaves are constantly told by their own people about how they are being held back by the system, that they end up perpetuating the lie and holding themselves back. You see those 4 million dollar houses that Black Lives Matter lady bought? Appears nobody is holding her back or out to kill her. Hmmm.
[b]Even when given things like stimulus checks or the PPP loans, they didn't use that money to better their situation. Jewelry purchases in the Black community went up and a lot of people falsified loans to become ballers. Meanwhile I used my shit and bought some Dogecoin turning that free money into 10 times what it was worth in a short period of time. Now it is time to go out and buy a new gold chain![/]From the National Bureau of Economic Research: "The researchers discovered a number of interesting patterns. Larger households leaned toward spending most of the money. Seniors tended to pay down debt while younger and more educated households were more likely to save the payments. Those who were out of the labor force or who lived with parents were more likely to spend. African Americans were more likely to use most of their stimulus money to pay down debts, and Hispanics were more likely to spend."
I would disagree that Asians are born into better economic conditions. When you travel the world you will see Chinese people doing the exact same shit you have seen in America. I have seen this shit with my own eyes. Dominican Republic, Panama, Brazil. They go there without a pot to urinate in and can't even speak the language! They sell fruit on a corner or work at a restaurant meanwhile learning the language. Eventually they buy a little restaurant or small store. Their whole family sleeps in the back of said restaurant or store.
They send the kids to school to learn business or medicine and the kids speak the local languange and their native language perfectly. They end up owning a chain of stores or restaurants and the local Blacks resent them thinking somebody gave them something or they had some kind of upper hand. No. They just put their noses to the grindstone and didn't make any damn excuses about a system that was out to get them.I was thinking of Asian Americans being born into better economic conditions. Actually even better than the average white American actually.
But yeah, Chinese entrepreneurship is a common romanticization with some truthful merit. Same with Nigerians coming over here and doing well, but I think you miss the point. In many ways, the immigrant experience is easier. They come over here as adults with a mission. Their kids have role models that shape their ethics and worldview.
But average black Americans are born into a toxic culture. My point is your judgement is toward a people whose youth often are not taught any better.
Believe me, I have some of the same thoughts. But you have to ask, how did black families change so much from the 50's and 60's? What happened since desegregation? What did black communities get worse and imprisonment go up? Did black Americans all of a sudden become lazy criminals?
The fact is that the number of unarmed black men shot dead by police in America is around 10 a year. I presume it won't be too hard telling us how you've come up with this fact?
Beijing4987
05-04-21, 21:13
In 1997 the US Congress, with strong support (in bankruptcy proceedings) National Rifle Association, passed the "Dickey" amendment which barred the Center for Disease Control from studying firearm violence. The American Medical Association has deemed firearm violence a national health crisis. As comedian and commentator John Oliver noted, a very "Dickey" thing to do.
But average black Americans are born into a toxic culture. My point is your judgement is toward a people whose youth often are not taught any better.
Believe me, I have some of the same thoughts. But you have to ask, how did black families change so much from the 50's and 60's? What happened since desegregation? What did black communities get worse and imprisonment go up? Did black Americans all of a sudden become lazy criminals?Your confusion relates to the fact that you are operating with faulty information, and seemingly have only been accessing right wing talking points. It's also bigoted when you label a whole culture "toxic" because it is different than what you want to consider "mainstream. " This while placing the burden all on the shoulders of blacks to change when a historic, dominant culture has been repeatedly seen to manifest itself in institutions, and notably, police forces, IE. "systemic," a concept you wish to side step / delute while focusing only on black culture. Some whites in positions of authority need to change, and at the least meet the others halfway by way of dialogue. But here I am referring to an earlier post from you.
As to the 50's, well, that was a golden age for a lot of common folks with US manufacturing and strong unions. Many blacks benefitted from that. However tax rates during the era would make modern "conservatives" (whatever that is anymore) shit bricks.
But as to the current information, the situation for blacks has improved a lot since the 1960's, with far fewer living in poverty, lower unemployment rates, greater average family wealth, double the percentage of college graduates, and hugely greater representation in Congress and the Senate. In fact the vast majority do not live in poverty making the whole "toxic culture" line even less credible. Though there's toxity found in about all races and cultures. We found that out most clearly January 6th at the Capital. That's even though, according to internal reports, law enforcement wasn't much worried about those guys but instead had their eyes out for counter protesters. Funny how that one goes.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52992795
I have seen this shit with my own eyes.You have an agenda and simply aren't credible when going on about what you claim to have seen. You were draw to this thread because of the attacks on Tim Scott. You are defensive because you are of a similar mind. So you lay out a bunch of anecdotes as "evidence" which has little if any value. There are plenty of Caribbean blacks that come here and remain in menial jobs. There are also plenty of black Americans that didn't spend their stimulus checks on gold chains, as PVMonger demonstrated with evidence. Also the vast majority of black Americans do not live in poverty. Here's another fact, racism exists, and though it's possible to have some financial success in spite of it, it's worth confronting. And, if you supported Trump in spite of his persistent, overt racism then you are part of the problem. The same can be said when presenting an unbalanced account of the black community as if all are spending their stimulus checks on gold chains. This is misinformation and part of the problem, regardless of your skin color.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52992795
Worthy of barstool banter in some brothel town but not a serious discussion. Stick with the brothel talk Bro.The best and most appropriate summation to date. The more we read from the uninformed one, the more applicable these words are.
Gazette Times .
Comments: he sponsors and votes a bill to punish men who hire prostitutes, and he gets caught breaking the law that he sponsored. Sadly ironic. . . And typical of American politicians. . . Hoist by his own petard.Par for the course when it comes to politicans, they are known for being hypocrites, sponsoring bills to ban gays and espousing family values in public only to get caught later in compromising postions with gays. Here are 20 family values Republicans who were got caught in the closet.
http://www.newnownext.com/19-republican-politicians-gay-sex/12/2016/
The best and most appropriate summation to date. The more we read from the uninformed one, the more applicable these words are.The problem is these online discussions go full circle, and what was refuted two weeks ago gets asserted all over again so anyone who participates long enough is forced to go in circles. That's a bad use of my time. But yea, and for the second time, there's a minority of blacks that grow up in poverty and seek out alternative ways to prosper, and this can involve gangs and drugs. This has been going in the states approaching 200 years. At first it was primarily the Irish, then the Italians. Murder rates in Chicago during the Capone era were similar as now. It's a dirty business and nothing new, but it's a small minority of blacks in spite of these efforts to paint them all as lazy, inferior, over indulgent criminals. The same stereotypes were placed on the Irish and Italians. Go in most any major city or predominantly black neighborhood and you'll find loads of blacks working hard in a variety of professions. The vast majority aren't standing on the corner selling crack. Nor are they down at the pawn shop buying gold chains with their stimulus money. But even if they were, so what? There's been no shortage of white guys around these communities bragging about spending all their stimulus on hookers, so what's the difference? Well the latter doesn't work with anyone's agenda for pushing stereotypes so it's left alone. Yea we get it. Wink.
Your confusion relates to the fact that you are operating with faulty information, and seemingly have only been accessing right wing talking points. It's also bigoted when you label a whole culture "toxic" because it is different than what you want to consider "mainstream. " This while placing the burden all on the shoulders of blacks to change when a historic, dominant culture has been repeatedly seen to manifest itself in institutions, and notably, police forces, IE. "systemic," a concept you wish to side step / delute while focusing only on black culture. Some whites in positions of authority need to change, and at the least meet the others halfway by way of dialogue. But here I am referring to an earlier post from you.
As to the 50's, well, that was a golden age for a lot of common folks with US manufacturing and strong unions. Many blacks benefitted from that. However tax rates during the era would make modern "conservatives" (whatever that is anymore) shit bricks.I am not confused and hold true to my conviction entirely and reject yours to a great degree. I am further confident of that seeing that your supporting evidence cites progress of mere material metrics. Nothing personal or offensive intended.
Believe me, this was not a dig. It was more of a statement of conditions.
That was the prevalent society of my youth. Poor, black, low education. Half of my friends came from split parent homes or single parent homes. And many with both parents in the house were hindered by fathers carrying psychological trauma from racial abuse he suffered in the 50's and 60's. (Previous is Not a statistic or meant to say majority, average, etc. It is just a statement of my perspective and background).
And I'll reemphasize the word "average" as to clarify that it is not a universal reality. I won't even go as far as to say that it is over 50%, but easily would say a plurality.
The toxic culture term was not to place direct blame on black people as to my allusion to 50's and 60's. It was supposed to state a reality in which something was done to them. The hood-rat culture stereotype is still a visible reality for many. Many black people complain about the crabs in a barrel mentality, (when one crab is climbing out, another pinches him and keeps him in the barrel). And even successful black Americans still carry around psychological trauma that effects their worldview. Believe me, as an immigrant, that sticks with you even after you've "made it."
Secondly, you mix up systemic with prevalent or even extremely prevalent bordering on universal. The systemic association with police I reject, save maybe something like Stop and Frisk policies but even that is not exactly explicitly systemic. The various incidents of arrests and murders were not due to protocol or policies. They were due to individuals and their cultural biases breaking protocol or poorly communicating. Now, there can be a large number of individuals with biases, even a majority, and the effects may be the same as something systemic. It's a technicality with perhaps the same result but it is an important distinction as to clarify that the problem lies within each person even extending to our collective humanism rather than the written laws and policies.
Are there still some instances of systemic racism? Yes. The effects of previous redlining and current gerrymandering is around. Perhaps there are more examples too. I am open to that reality.
I do take offense to your accusation of conservative bias as I feel that I have adopted more liberal ideals than you have conservative ones.
Again, respectfully. I just disagree with your assessment of my views and reasoning. I disagree a hell of a lot.
I presume it won't be too hard telling us how you've come up with this fact?https://trendingpolitics.com/the-data-prove-there-is-no-epidemic-of-unarmed-black-men-shot-by-police-knab/
"The Washington Post's police shooting database further underscores how rare it is that unarmed black males are shot by police officers. Its reported police killings of unarmed black males in 2019 is far below even the 27 reported by Mapping Police Violence. It is a total of 11 — fewer than a dozen cases. ".
The woke socialists can keep churning out their endless pages of unreadable, unrealistic PC bilge, and Mr Enternational, Canada, I and the other sensible posters living in reality will continue to debunk it with fact. Good day.
If you want to know the news you either watch Fox News or stop for a week. No one watched CNN or MSNBC to hear real news. They listen to it to get all the liberal high five fake news. Obviously majority of the people trust Fox News more than the other based on the ratings over the last 10 years. I suppose you don't believe in the ratings either because they don't suit you. Fox states the facts and sometimes republicans get upset at their news. Fox News is only news station to report a crises on the border. Even the democrat senators on the border states are going to Biden to address the crises but you and the other socialists can't even acknowledge the issue. Keep watching your fake news and keep posting how great Biden and Harris are. Democratic states homeless problems, defund police, riots, welfare, racism, unemployment all seem fine to you socialists but Republicans don't like these things. Keep living in LaLa land your kids and grandkids will be the one suffering in the future.Fox's ratings are usually higher than CNN and MSNBC combined. Tucker Carlson in particular is excellent, holding the left accountable and looking at the bigger picture on issues such as the breakdown of law and order, democrat refusal to address the border invasion (because they see the illegals as future democrat voters), the reality of violent BLM and antifa riots, and many more. No wonder he has the highest ratings in cable news history and is attacked hysterically in the fake news. Nobody actually watches CNN or MSNBC: the only reason they are viewed at all is because woke social media companies push clips of the shows.
That is exactly what they and their fake news are saying. The fact is that the number of unarmed black men shot dead by police in America is around 10 a year. In a country of 330 million. Of those ten or so, several were shot by non-white cops, and others were charging the cop and trying to grab his gun (as in the Michael Brown shooting). The actual number of unarmed black men complying with instructions who are killed by white police is so low it is frankly probably zero. And yet we are told it is some kind of epidemic, which is the exact opposite of reality. This complete clownworld inversion of the truth is something you would expect in North Korea or the Soviet Union. Thank goodness we still have some free media who refuse to go along with the establishment fake news line.As usual, your statement is BS. Here's proof.
"Since 2015, police officers have fatally shot at least 135 unarmed Black men and women nationwide, an NPR investigation has found. NPR reviewed police, court and other records to examine the details of the cases. At least 75% of the officers were white."
"For at least 15 of the officers, the shootings were not their first — or their last."
"Those who study deadly force by police say it's unusual for officers to be involved in any shootings. 'Many officers will go their entire career without shooting — sometimes without pulling their gun out at all,' said Peter Scharf, a criminologist and professor in the School of Public Health at Louisiana State University and co-author of The Badge and the Bullet: Police Use of Deadly Force."
After several people involved in the counting of the votes have claimed voter fraud in the election Republicans are trying to do a recount which they are entitled to. The democrats are trying to block it in every way. Letters to the editor in local newspapers today are demanding that they do not do a recount. I know several people on this site don't want a recount or investigation either. If I was accused of wrongdoing and had done nothing wrong I would welcome an audit and prove my innocence. Why are the democrats trying to block this if they are innocent or if there is no wrong doing. Why is it when democrats are accused of anything they don't want to be investigated? They are scared the truth will come out. Only a guilty party would refuse evidence. If there was no fraud then just let them recount. If there was fraud keep fighting the recount.
As usual, your statement is BS. Here's proof.
"Since 2015, police officers have fatally shot at least 135 unarmed Black men and women nationwide, an NPR investigation has found. NPR reviewed police, court and other records to examine the details of the cases. At least 75% of the officers were white."
"For at least 15 of the officers, the shootings were not their first or their last."
"Those who study deadly force by police say it's unusual for officers to be involved in any shootings. 'Many officers will go their entire career without shooting sometimes without pulling their gun out at all,' said Peter Scharf, a criminologist and professor in the School of Public Health at Louisiana State University and co-author of The Badge and the Bullet: Police Use of Deadly Force."If you think the police act irresponsible then why don't you go with a police officer on patrol at night in West Side Chicago where 1000 people have been shot this year. You can be the guy that talks the guy with a gun to peacefully surrender.
After several people involved in the counting of the votes have claimed voter fraud in the election Republicans are trying to do a recount which they are entitled to. The democrats are trying to block it in every way. Letters to the editor in local newspapers today are demanding that they do not do a recount. I know several people on this site don't want a recount or investigation either. If I was accused of wrongdoing and had done nothing wrong I would welcome an audit and prove my innocence. Why are the democrats trying to block this if they are innocent or if there is no wrong doing. Why is it when democrats are accused of anything they don't want to be investigated? They are scared the truth will come out. Only a guilty party would refuse evidence. If there was no fraud then just let them recount. If there was fraud keep fighting the recount.It has already been recounted under official guidelines. If this was a serious effort to recount it would be done by a group that has the experience and skills to do the job based on the election counting guidelines under independent and public scrutiny. It's clear none of those criteria are being met.
It has already been recounted under official guidelines. If this was a serious effort to recount it would be done by a group that has the experience and skills to do the job based on the election counting guidelines under independent and public scrutiny. It's clear none of those criteria are being met.Criteria has been met and a recount will be done with the democrats trying to block and hinder it. Arizona county clerk has already admitted there were mistakes but not said they were not intentional. Obviously you are one of the ones that are worried about the outcome. It isn't about weather Trump won or not but it is about weather or not the democrats cheated.
Beijing4987
05-05-21, 19:25
Only 3/5's of the black vote are valid. That's enough for the Orange Menace to crow for victory. Getting closer to being a banana republic. Ted Cruz will don military garb with all the medals of victory. Liz Cheney will be incarcerated at Colorado's Super Max prison in a cell next to Shorty El Chapo Guzman.
If you think the police act irresponsible then why don't you go with a police officer on patrol at night in West Side Chicago where 1000 people have been shot this year. You can be the guy that talks the guy with a gun to peacefully surrender.This isn't about any side of Chicago so stop deflecting. The OP said 10 unarmed blacks killed per year. I proved him wrong. People who suffer from cranial-rectal-inversion often have colored vision.
Criteria has been met and a recount will be done with the democrats trying to block and hinder it. Arizona county clerk has already admitted there were mistakes but not said they were not intentional. Obviously you are one of the ones that are worried about the outcome. It isn't about weather Trump won or not but it is about weather or not the democrats cheated.You won't get any admission of cheating when the process used is so flawed.
1. The company has no experience in election procedures.
2. The company would not publically release it's procedures.
3. There is no independent oversight.
4. The company has as publically stated that it is partisan in this matter in claiming the count was fraudulent with out evidence.
5. Georgia had 3 recounts and found no cheating so no I am not worried by an outcome done legitimately.
6. If you are so worried about cheating how about speaking out about Republican Gerrymandering where you can lose the statewide vote and still get a significant majority of representatives.
You won't get any admission of cheating when the process used is so flawed.
1. The company has no experience in election procedures.
2. The company would not publically release it's procedures.
3. There is no independent oversight.
4. The company has as publically stated that it is partisan in this matter in claiming the count was fraudulent with out evidence.
5. Georgia had 3 recounts and found no cheating so no I am not worried by an outcome done legitimately.
6. If you are so worried about cheating how about speaking out about Republican Gerrymandering where you can lose the statewide vote and still get a significant majority of representatives.It's no wonder that Trump lost. He never won a popular vote. Round two he lacked the advantage of going up against a very unpopular candidate in Hillary. Joe on the other hand is popular, and that's why Trump wanted to run against anyone but him. He wanted another hold your nose, lessor of two evils contest. And add his dismal Covid performance and the fact that he thoroughly pissed off and thus motivated blacks and the outcome was clear. But yea I didn't realize Canada was also crying about a stolen election. He sure has a lot of time to post on the internet for someone who claims to be a high roller exec and starter of many new companies.
This isn't about any side of Chicago so stop deflecting. The OP said 10 unarmed blacks killed per year. I proved him wrong.See post 2852. https://trendingpolitics.com/the-data-prove-there-is-no-epidemic-of-unarmed-black-men-shot-by-police-knab/.
"The Washington Post's police shooting database further underscores how rare it is that unarmed black males are shot by police officers. Its reported police killings of unarmed black males in 2019 is far below even the 27 reported by Mapping Police Violence. It is a total of 11 — fewer than a dozen cases."
And of course of those 11 cases, some were shot by non-white officers, and others were "unarmed" but still violently attacking the officer and trying to grab his gun. This is what happened in the Michael Brown case. Brown, a very large and powerful individual, charged at Officer Wilson and attempted to forcibly take his gun. In such cases the shooting is justified even though the perp is "unarmed."
What we can see from all this is that situations in which an unarmed black man who is not attacking a white officer is unjustifiably shot dead by that white officer are so rare as to be essentially non-existent. And yet the mainstream media would have you believe it happens all day every day. This is the exact opposite of reality, and is why they are correctly known as "fake news."
Criteria has been met and a recount will be done with the democrats trying to block and hinder it. Arizona county clerk has already admitted there were mistakes but not said they were not intentional. Obviously you are one of the ones that are worried about the outcome. It isn't about weather Trump won or not but it is about weather or not the democrats cheated.The Arizona recount is a heroic effort by patriots who have refused to stop fighting for truth and justice despite endless obstruction from well-funded democrat lawyers and fake news media. It is clear that in Maricopa County, as in Nevada, Georgia and elsewhere, large scale fraud was committed in democrat-controlled cities. The fact that they are attempting to block a recount tells you all you need to know. If they were confident in the result they would be happy to carry it out.
Certain leftists on here have blathered about "procedures" and "independent oversight", all of which are obfuscation and stalling tactics. The only "procedure" which needs to be carried out is that the votes need to be counted. Democrats are welcome to watch the count. But they are not welcome to rig it, as was the case in November. This is why they are squealing. I look forward to the results from Arizona, and to further such recounts in other states stolen by the handlers of former Vice-President Biden.
Criteria has been met and a recount will be done with the democrats trying to block and hinder it. Arizona county clerk has already admitted there were mistakes but not said they were not intentional. Obviously you are one of the ones that are worried about the outcome. It isn't about weather Trump won or not but it is about weather or not the democrats cheated.So Canada is wrong again. Criteria has not been met!
In a letter to GOP Senate President Karen Fann, the head of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division said the Senate's farming out of 2.1 million ballots from the state's most populous county to a contractor may run afoul of federal law requiring ballots to remain in the control of elections officials for 22 months.
And Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Pamela S. Karlan said that the Senate contractor's plans to directly contact voters could amount to illegal voter intimidation.
There is no chance that under this unprofessional partisan recount that any credible outcome will result.
This isn't about any side of Chicago so stop deflecting. The OP said 10 unarmed blacks killed per year. I proved him wrong. People who suffer from cranial-rectal-inversion often have colored vision.Yes try to prove him wrong by distorting the facts. More blacks without guns were shot by police than 10 because some that were shot had knives, swords, axes. Some attacked the cop to try to take cops gun. Some tried to run o=ver a cop with a car and were shot. Does not deflect the fact that these were criminals resisting arrest.
Once again you deflect. Blacks killing blacks is not about racism apart from people like yourself arguing against policies that would address the problem. Why is it that most mass shootings are carried out by whites? Why is this an epidemic almost exclusively American? Why is the US subject to so many more civilin gun deaths than any other country?
If you don't believe in that there is extensive racism then you are the most deluded person on the planet. I am racist though I try to suppress it in my daily life. I'm sure blacks are racist against whites and Asians. I'm sure Asians are racist. It's an inbuilt tribal behaviour to distrust those who are different. It is how we behave towards one another that dictates whether it becomes a systematic problem. Your denial and deflection is just a hindrance to achieving a more harmonious society.Why are democrats racist and why do they hate America. Why are they trying to divide the country. Why do they continue to discriminate against white people and why do they discriminate against blacks who have jobs and are successful. Why do they want to see blacks in poverty, on welfare or killing each other? Why are they agreeing with the crises at the border. Terrorists and gang members entering the country. USA has 330,000,000 people.
And there is going to be crime and criminals. Why do democrats allow terrorist groups like Antfisa and BLM destroy their cities over a few black criminals being shot? Why do they allow these groups to kill innocent people and have innocent peoples business destroyed? Why do democrat cities ignore their homeless problem in their cities and welcome in more homeless from other countries. Yes this is the democrats today. This happens every day in USA and democrats push this agenda.
Yes try to prove him wrong by distorting the facts. More blacks without guns were shot by police than 10 because some that were shot had knives, swords, axes. Some attacked the cop to try to take cops gun. Some tried to run o=ver a cop with a car and were shot. Does not deflect the fact that these were criminals resisting arrest.Exactly. Even the tiny number of "unarmed" (no firearm) blacks shot by (often non-white) cops were still resisting arrest and often violently attacking them, using other weapons, cars, or trying to grab the cop's gun and use it against him or her.
The actual number of cooperating, unarmed blacks who are shot by white cops is rarer than unicorns. Yet according to the fake news media, hollyweird and various idiotic, ignorant celebrities, it is an "epidemic". Literally the opposite of the truth.
Why are democrats racist and why do they hate America. Why are they trying to divide the country. Why do they continue to discriminate against white people and why do they discriminate against blacks who have jobs and are successful. Why do they want to see blacks in poverty, on welfare or killing each other? Why are they agreeing with the crises at the border. Terrorists and gang members entering the country. USA has 330,000,000 people.
And there is going to be crime and criminals. Why do democrats allow terrorist groups like Antfisa and BLM destroy their cities over a few black criminals being shot? Why do they allow these groups to kill innocent people and have innocent peoples business destroyed? Why do democrat cities ignore their homeless problem in their cities and welcome in more homeless from other countries. Yes this is the democrats today. This happens every day in USA and democrats push this agenda.Why are Republicans stupid?
The American people deserve better than to have chronic liars, individuals without a sliver of integrity repeating long debunked lies over and over in order to secure political power for themselves. It's not even about Repubs and Dems, socialists and capitalists anymore. It's about flagrant crooks versus public servants. It's time to vote them out. It's also about Repubs with any degree of ethics reclaiming their party. She is a liar, as are all who persist in pushing these viral, social media fantasies.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/06/stefanik-defends-election-falsehoods-told-jan-6/
Why are democrats racist and why do they hate America. Why are they trying to divide the country. Why do they continue to discriminate against white people and why do they discriminate against blacks who have jobs and are successful. Why do they want to see blacks in poverty, on welfare or killing each other? Why are they agreeing with the crises at the border. Terrorists and gang members entering the country. USA has 330,000,000 people.
And there is going to be crime and criminals. Why do democrats allow terrorist groups like Antfisa and BLM destroy their cities over a few black criminals being shot? Why do they allow these groups to kill innocent people and have innocent peoples business destroyed? Why do democrat cities ignore their homeless problem in their cities and welcome in more homeless from other countries. Yes this is the democrats today. This happens every day in USA and democrats push this agenda.If you really believe this, I suggest you apply for an "on air" slot at Faux News. Tucker will have to up his game because of you.
ChuchoLoco
05-07-21, 16:12
It isn't about weather Trump won or not but it is about weather or not the democrats cheated.So what's the whether like in Canada? Ua soo smaht. Nothing more needs to be said.
John Clayton
05-07-21, 17:40
So what's the whether like in Canada? ...O god, that's good -- thanks!
The American people deserve better than to have chronic liars, individuals without a sliver of integrity repeating long debunked lies over and over in order to secure political power for themselves. It's not even about Repubs and Dems, socialists and capitalists anymore. It's about flagrant crooks versus public servants. It's time to vote them out. It's also about Repubs with any degree of ethics reclaiming their party. She is a liar, as are all who persist in pushing these viral, social media fantasies.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/06/stefanik-defends-election-falsehoods-told-jan-6/The party is dead. Hopefully the leaders don't take everyone with them as they go down in flames. Never would I have thought that Mitt Romney would remain as the last few voices of reason.
Now what I fear is unchecked Democrat rule. No interest in the vision that the AOC / Bernie branch will push forward. But perhaps if the social justice courting can be checked, the more moderate branch can focus on authentic parts of the platform.
Fucking hilarious.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/07/politics/arizona-recount-bamboo-state-senate/index.html
The party is dead. Hopefully the leaders don't take everyone with them as they go down in flames. Never would I have thought that Mitt Romney would remain as the last few voices of reason.
Now what I fear is unchecked Democrat rule. No interest in the vision that the AOC / Bernie branch will push forward. But perhaps if the social justice courting can be checked, the more moderate branch can focus on authentic parts of the platform.We are in agreement, center-right, center, and center left working together with fringe voices where they belong, fringe. We need a strong, credible conservative party to make that work. At present theirs a swamp to drain, meaning these nativist, isolationist, conspiracy theorist, dogged peddlers of various fantasies.
The Arizona recount is a heroic effort by patriots who have refused to stop fighting for truth and justice despite endless obstruction from well-funded democrat lawyers and fake news media. It is clear that in Maricopa County, as in Nevada, Georgia and elsewhere, large scale fraud was committed in democrat-controlled cities. The fact that they are attempting to block a recount tells you all you need to know. If they were confident in the result they would be happy to carry it out.
Certain leftists on here have blathered about "procedures" and "independent oversight", all of which are obfuscation and stalling tactics. The only "procedure" which needs to be carried out is that the votes need to be counted. Democrats are welcome to watch the count. But they are not welcome to rig it, as was the case in November. This is why they are squealing. I look forward to the results from Arizona, and to further such recounts in other states stolen by the handlers of former Vice-President Biden.Why aren't you complaining about "Democratic run" cities in states that voted for Donnie? Houston, Austin, Dallas, San Antonio, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Columbus, Kansas City, Louisville, etc.
Are you saying that "large scale fraud" was committed only in Democratic-run cities in states that Donnie LOST? That fraud was committed in Phoenix but not in Houston?
Can I have some of what you're smokin? That really must be some good s**t!
If you don't believe in that there is extensive racism then you are the most deluded person on the planet. I am racist though I try to suppress it in my daily life. I'm sure blacks are racist against whites and Asians. I'm sure Asians are racist. It's an inbuilt tribal behaviour to distrust those who are different. It is how we behave towards one another that dictates whether it becomes a systematic problem. Your denial and deflection is just a hindrance to achieving a more harmonious society.Facts. Solid facts. I'll say that as an Asian Am, traditional Asians are some of the most judgmental people. Naturally, racism does not escape my race. It may be amongst the worst actually.
It's frustrating when so many white friends and colleagues refuse to recognize the problem. It's as if some feel that it is an indictment on them individually. It's usually not.
Like you're said, we're tribal by evolution. But I think it goes even further. I always describe humans as pack animals so it's natural to have reservations regarding others and affinity toward your own. And as you alluded, we're also cerebral animals so our actions are what matters most. Denying the issue just hinders progress.
That being said, politics and certain special interest groups unnecessarily make everything about race. I would imagine that it is very unappealing as a white man to bend down and be the scapegoat for all of society's problems.
Facts. Solid facts. I'll say that as an Asian Am, traditional Asians are some of the most judgmental people. Naturally, racism does not escape my race. It may be amongst the worst actually.
It's frustrating when so many white friends and colleagues refuse to recognize the problem. It's as if some feel that it is an indictment on them individually. It's usually not.
Like you're said, we're tribal by evolution. But I think it goes even further. I always describe humans as pack animals so it's natural to have reservations regarding others and affinity toward your own. And as you alluded, we're also cerebral animals so our actions are what matters most. Denying the issue just hinders progress.
That being said, politics and certain special interest groups unnecessarily make everything about race. I would imagine that it is very unappealing as a white man to bend down and be the scapegoat for all of society's problems.I'm not one to confirm that racism is innate. Put some very small black, white, and Asian children together in a daycare or park and they'll play just fine. And any disagreements that develop won't relate to physical characteristics. Racism that includes discrimination is learned. To see this only compare many a Southern Cal white child from a progressive home with a typical one from the heart of the Deep South, somewhere like Mississippi or rural Louisiana, "we don't believe it mixing, the bible says so!" and the gap is wide. Send the Mississippi kid to Southern Cal at birth, adopted by the progressive family and the results will likely be very different.
It's also possible for life experiences to change a person. This is a very rare case where I'll insert a personal anecdote to make a point. I was raised in a typical white southern home, though a bit more progressive, not the Deep South. Racist attitudes were taught. Then I became a robbery victim. The first question people usually ask when I talk about it "were they black?" and the answer, "no they were white as the driven snow. " Which is typical by the way, as statistics prove we are very much more likely to be victimized by someone of our own race. But after that I just cringed when racist whites came with sayings like "white people just don't so stuff like that," or in response to a good deed, "that was mighty white of you. " That can't gel with me as like a black man I worked under told me "assholes know no color. " Plus I'm convinced that people have the capacity to change. Life experiences, either for the good or the bad can alter attitudes. And it's my objective to judge by content of character rather then physical characteristics, which is perfectly reasonable.
Also some cultures have been more ethno-centric and segregationist than others. The Brits historically were much more than the French and Spanish, as is seen in the greater assimilation in the Louisiana Territory.
As to all of society's problems being laid undeservedly at the feet of whites, I'll speak to you directly and colloquially. Stop sucking up affirming their exaggerated victimization mindset. I know you grew up in the south and feel like you are on the inside, but you are not. Is funny when you hear dumb white teenagers complaining about Black History Month asking "where is ours? The answer? "You have it every day of the week. "lolol A lot need to drop all these Trumpian fantasies and meet some folks of other races halfway. Everyone has a part to play.
This is why they are squealing. The squealer is you and your fellow pseudo "patriots," from election week onward crying about the election you lost, with all court cases and official recounts going against you. See the attached photo, and put your head and that of every fake patriot in place of Trump's and there you have it. Yes Democrats are observing and what they are seeing and hearing is laughable, as wholly untrained, partisan buffoons put on this farse that will have no bearing on the outcome of the election, which wasn't close. We are laughing, still enjoying the victory along with your desperation. Let us know how the bamboo paper analysis comes out. We are having the time of our lives. LOL.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/arizona-recount-observers/2021/05/05/b807c990-adc3-11eb-b476-c3b287e52a01_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/06/great-bamboo-hunt-arizonas-bizarre-vote-examination-effort-gets-more-bizarre/
Why aren't you complaining about "Democratic run" cities in states that voted for Donnie? Houston, Austin, Dallas, San Antonio, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Columbus, Kansas City, Louisville, etc.
Are you saying that "large scale fraud" was committed only in Democratic-run cities in states that Donnie LOST? That fraud was committed in Phoenix but not in Houston?
Can I have some of what you're smokin? That really must be some good s**t!They are going to whine until hell freezes over. The only thing to do is keep beating the frauds at the polls. That while opposing congressional district gerrymandering and the often bigoted voter suppression efforts. It's work but well worth it.
I'm not one to confirm that racism is innate. Put some very small black, white, and Asian children together in a daycare or park and they'll play just fine. And any disagreements that develop won't relate to physical characteristics. Racism that includes discrimination is learned. To see this only compare many a Southern Cal white child from a progressive home with a typical one from the heart of the Deep South, somewhere like Mississippi or rural Louisiana, "we don't believe it mixing, the bible says so!" and the gap is wide. Send the Mississippi kid to Southern Cal at birth, adopted by the progressive family and the results will likely be very different.
As to all of society's problems being laid undeservedly at the feet of whites, I'll speak to you directly and colloquially. Stop sucking up affirming their exaggerated victimization mindset. I know you grew up in the south and feel like you are on the inside, but you are not. Is funny when you hear dumb white teenagers complaining about Black History Month asking "where is ours? The answer? "You have it every day of the week. "lolol A lot need to drop all these Trumpian fantasies and meet some folks of other races halfway. Everyone has a part to play.It's not so much that racism is innate. It's that "otherness" is innate. When kids learn to associate otherness with race, then that manifests into racism. You see it in Southern California too. It's not like the stereotype. People still separate into communities so large that they don't have to interact much on a personal basis.
Well, I grew up in a black community so being white is definitely not it. I've lived all sides man, bartended black night clubs, got one degree from an HBCU. I've lived the best and worst of both sides. So I'm anything but a Twinkie. I know it wasn't always this way. White people are on the defensive right now. It can only be expected. That's not an excuse, that's a reality. There's no pity party from me, but I'm not going to hang innocent men either. Minorities know what it's like to walk around thinking, "hey, don't put me into one of your negative stereotypes. ". So I have no interest in forcing that energy onto someone else.
I've had so many good influences (and bad) living in both communities. My experience is not so critical of one side as yours. I can tear both apart but why do I have to, when popular media has clearly done plenty of criticism already? At the same time, it's a bit taboo to criticize minority groups in casual / popular conversation. I'll say the things no one wants to say / admit.
The American people deserve better than to have chronic liars, individuals without a sliver of integrity repeating long debunked lies over and over in order to secure political power for themselves. It's not even about Repubs and Dems, socialists and capitalists anymore. It's about flagrant crooks versus public servants. It's time to vote them out. It's also about Repubs with any degree of ethics reclaiming their party. She is a liar, as are all who persist in pushing these viral, social media fantasies.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/06/stefanik-defends-election-falsehoods-told-jan-6/Everything Stefanik said in her quote was true. The democrats and fake news cannot rebut it point by point, so instead they just shriek "lies!" 30 years ago this worked out well for them, because they had total control of the media. Then in the 1990's talk radio, Fox News and in particular the internet came about, freeing up information. Unfortunately the censorious left has struck back, by bringing much of the once-free internet into Big Tech social media companies, which they then use to censor political content, up to and including the sitting President of the United States.
Fortunately, despite the endless censorship, recent polls show a majority of Americans know the election was rigged (the reality is higher but many will not admit it because of negative professional consequences, or are democrats who are happy at the cheating). President Trump's approval ratings in the GOP remain sky-high for good reason, and the RINO deep state establishment warmonger types who betrayed him are being sent packing. Cheney will soon be out the door, as will Romney judging by the magnificent booing he received from the Utah GOP.
The squealer is you and your fellow blablablablaCalm down, stop squealing, and let the Arizona recount play out. Then we will see who really won. Then we will do the same in Nevada, Michigan and elsewhere.
Why aren't you complaining about "Democratic run" cities in states that voted for Donnie? Houston, Austin, Dallas, San Antonio, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Columbus, Kansas City, Louisville, etc.
Are you saying that "large scale fraud" was committed only in Democratic-run cities in states that Donnie LOST? That fraud was committed in Phoenix but not in Houston?.LOL. Think about what you are saying. There probably was fraud in democrat-run cities in Texas and elsewhere (all of these places are corrupt shitholes after all) but the rest of Texas was so overwhelmingly pro-Trump that they couldn't get their corpse over the line. But in smaller / closer states, they could. As Trump himself recently mentioned, he was well ahead in Michigan until the count was inexplicably stopped after midnight, and then at 6 am a dump of 150,000 votes appeared in Detroit (in the same counting centre which notoriously boarded up its windows so that people couldn't see in), of which 96% were for Biden. 96%. LOL.
That is simply laughable. If it happened in some corrupt, bankrupt third world banana republic, people would literally laugh. Which is apt, because Detroit is indeed a corrupt, bankrupt third world banana republic.
The party is dead.I think you'll find from the last election that the Republican party is in control of the majority of state legislatures and governorships; very nearly won back the House and is 50/50 in the Senate and will win back both in 2022; and "lost" the White House due to unconstitutionality and fraud which is currently being unpicked, first in Arizona and soon elsewhere.
The GOP is the party of the American people. The only way the democrats can defeat it is by letting in millions of illegals in addition to the 30 million already in the country and allowing them all to vote illegally, which is of course the reason they want to ban all voter ID and other election integrity measures.
Beijing4987
05-09-21, 19:12
Fat Nixon will experience the same fate as General Douglas McArthur: "Old soldiers never die, they just fade away" Try as they will to gerrymander and suppress the minority and marginalized voters, they have lost the independents and suburban women.
Mr Enternational
05-09-21, 21:41
It's not so much that racism is innate. It's that "otherness" is innate.You would think mfs on a traveling website would easily observe this and it would not be ao easy to pull the wool over their eyes. As if you go to Nigeria, Philippines, Korea, Singapore, India, Bulgaria, or any other homogeneous country all the citizens are living together harmoniously. Nope. Mfs over there are discriminating among each other for whatever reason they see fit. Why are people from all over the world breaking their necks to get to America for it to be such a terribly raciat place? Travelers should easily be able to distinguish the forest from the trees; but evidently they can't.
Everything Stefanik said in her quote was true. The democrats and fake news cannot rebut it point by point, so instead they just shriek "lies!" 30 years ago this worked out well for them, because they had total control of the media. Then in the 1990's talk radio, Fox News and in particular the internet came about, freeing up information. Unfortunately the censorious left has struck back, by bringing much of the once-free internet into Big Tech social media companies, which they then use to censor political content, up to and including the sitting President of the United States.
Fortunately, despite the endless censorship, recent polls show a majority of Americans know the election was rigged (the reality is higher but many will not admit it because of negative professional consequences, or are democrats who are happy at the cheating). President Trump's approval ratings in the GOP remain sky-high for good reason, and the RINO deep state establishment warmonger types who betrayed him are being sent packing. Cheney will soon be out the door, as will Romney judging by the magnificent booing he received from the Utah GOP.You and Canada both should apply as "on air" talent for Fox "News" because you can spread manure faster than almost anyone other than Carlson.
But it is easy to be a trump supporter. All you need to do is bloviate about Fake news.
Here's something that you need to carry in your wallet along with you picture of Donnie.
President Trump's approval ratings in the GOP remain sky-high for good reason .Finally a sentiment I can agree with.
For "good reason" indeed.
Because the GOP, or its bigger part anyway, is not a political party anymore. It's a cult.
The problem is these online discussions go full circle, and what was refuted two weeks ago gets asserted all over again so anyone who participates long enough is forced to go in circles. That's a bad use of my time. But yea, and for the second time, there's a minority of blacks that grow up in poverty and seek out alternative ways to prosper, and this can involve gangs and drugs. This has been going in the states approaching 200 years. At first it was primarily the Irish, then the Italians. Murder rates in Chicago during the Capone era were similar as now. It's a dirty business and nothing new, but it's a small minority of blacks in spite of these efforts to paint them all as lazy, inferior, over indulgent criminals. The same stereotypes were placed on the Irish and Italians. Go in most any major city or predominantly black neighborhood and you'll find loads of blacks working hard in a variety of professions. The vast majority aren't standing on the corner selling crack. Nor are they down at the pawn shop buying gold chains with their stimulus money. But even if they were, so what? There's been no shortage of white guys around these communities bragging about spending all their stimulus on hookers, so what's the difference? Well the latter doesn't work with anyone's agenda for pushing stereotypes so it's left alone. Yea we get it. Wink.Yes, You don't even have to wait two weeks, sometimes its just a post or two below and despite being presented with proof, indoctrinated warriors will continue to push their talking points. The vote recount and the election was stolen is now up there with Benghazi fire-fight loop shown on Fox. As to the illogical conclusion below, If America is terrible racist place why are people "breaking their necks to get there. " I will answer that for you oh uninformed one, they are doing so because they percieve it as a land that will offer them better financial opportunities than the one they are currently living in. Going there that does not negate the fact that the place is racist or that they know it is.
Many people go to work for Amazon, UPS, McDonalds or anywhere else where the environment is quite austere. They work in these places despite knowing the culture is not conducive to equitable treatement or that real promotion opportunities exist. For them its not about the company's values, its primarily monetary.
If America is terrible racist place why are people "breaking their necks to get there. " I will answer that for you oh uninformed one, they are doing so because they percieve it as a land that will offer them better financial opportunities than the one they are currently living in.Firstly, o ye of low information, there are now so many ghettos in various US cities that the illegals can live entirely among their own people, speak their own language, and barely even see or interact with any of the "racist" gringos. (The fact that they have a racist term. Gringo - for white people might show you who is actually racist here, both of which are full of the same thing).
Secondly, they do not have the right to come here. Are you arguing for the repeal of immigration law? If you are not insane, and you accept and understand that national borders must be maintained, then you must accept that laws need to be enforced.
You and Canada both should apply as "on air" talent for Fox "News" blablablaNo attempt to rebut the arguments as usual, because you cannot. Just boring, unoriginal, low-information flailing.
Let's take one issue which I already explained to you a few weeks back but you don't seem to have grasped yet. Election integrity. As I showed, the vast majority of democracies across the world require photo ID to ensure election integrity, and ban mail-in ballots because they are not secure and easy to rig. Why do you think that is? Are they all "racist"? (Hint: many of them are in majority-black countries!
You would think mfs on a traveling website would easily observe this and it would not be ao easy to pull the wool over their eyes. As if you go to Nigeria, Philippines, Korea, Singapore, India, Bulgaria, or any other homogeneous country all the citizens are living together harmoniously. Nope. Mfs over there are discriminating among each other for whatever reason they see fit. Why are people from all over the world breaking their necks to get to America for it to be such a terribly raciat place? Travelers should easily be able to distinguish the forest from the trees; but evidently they can't.Absolutely right. In most countries around the world in which different ethnic groups or tribes are forced to co-exist, they regularly massacre each other and need to be kept apart by military peacekeepers. The fact that different groups live mostly peacefully in America (except unfortunately when blacks are incited to riot by the democrats and fake news media) shows that America is in fact an incredibly tolerant place. For now.
Yes, You don't even have to wait two weeks, sometimes its just a post or two below and despite being presented with proof, indoctrinated warriors will continue to push their talking points. The vote recount and the election was stolen is now up there with Benghazi fire-fight loop shown on Fox. As to the illogical conclusion below, If America is terrible racist place why are people "breaking their necks to get there. " I will answer that for you oh uninformed one, they are doing so because they percieve it as a land that will offer them better financial opportunities than the one they are currently living in. Going there that does not negate the fact that the place is racist or that they know it is.Simplistic fallacious arguments, as the above loaded question you obliterated is a non-sequitur and black and white thinking error / false dilemma wrapped up into one. Such is typically the product of watching too much Fox on the night shift.
Bottom line though is that they thought they were the majority but they are not. Their only hope in national elections is low voter turnout and are willing to lie, cheat, and steal to try and get it. The response is to continue to turn out the vote.
Finally a sentiment I can agree with.
For "good reason" indeed.
Because the GOP, or its bigger part anyway, is not a political party anymore. It's a cult.From day one the cult has been about targeting black and brown folks and wooing racists. It's backlash to the first black president, and thanks to an unpopular candidate in Hillary and her poorly run campaign, Trump was able to squeak in by conning midwesterners. And he was crying "rigged" in advance of that election just as the recent one, as the twerp lacks the cajones to admit it when he loses. We'd have gone through the same nonsense in 2016 had he lost. But yea even now the black and browns are being targeted with the stolen election lies and voter suppression efforts in state legislatures. The good news is that we are identifying it and calling it out, and on a much larger scale than in a monger forum. We are also winning, having taken back the WH, Congress, and the Senate inside of four years. That's why the fake patriots are squirming like toads. Wink.
Firstly, o ye of low information, there are now so many ghettos in various US cities that the illegals can live entirely among their own people, speak their own language, and barely even see or interact with any of the "racist" gringos. (The fact that they have a racist term.."Gringo usually refers to a foreigner, especially from the United States. Although it is considered an offensive term in some Spanish-speaking countries, in most Spanish-speaking countries and in Brazilian Portuguese, the term simply means "foreign."
No attempt to rebut the arguments as usual, because you cannot. Just boring, unoriginal, low-information flailing.
Let's take one issue which I already explained to you a few weeks back but you don't seem to have grasped yet. Election integrity. As I showed, the vast majority of democracies across the world require photo ID to ensure election integrity, and ban mail-in ballots because they are not secure and easy to rig. Why do you think that is? Are they all "racist"? (Hint: many of them are in majority-black countries!Kind of hard to rebut when you didn't say which quote you were talking about.
Was it her January 6th "Stop the Steal" speech to the House? USA Rep. Elise Stefanik explained why she objected to electors from four states the in a speech on the House floor Wednesday night.
The irregularities alleged in her speech and a press release included some falsehoods and omissions, but also some true statements.
This came after the Electoral College vote was interrupted by a violent occupation of the Capitol building by pro-Donald Trump rioters who demanded Congress "stop the steal," a common Trump phrase since the Nov. 3 election won by Joe Biden.
Stefanik said voting irregularities in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin and Michigan led to her objections. She said she hopes that further investigation would allow Americans to have greater faith in elections.
Three of her statements on irregularities were mentioned in the New York Times' live fact-checking of the session, and all were deemed "false."
Trump, his family and his political circle have alleged voter fraud and irregularities long before the November election, spending the past few years leading up to this election casting doubt on the electoral process and telling supporters to look for evidence to support their claims. Trump had said before the election that he might not accept the results if he lost.
Trump has pitched a myriad of allegations of voter fraud and election stealing on the part of Democrats. While some constitute legitimate critique, most have been based on a lack of understanding of data, unverifiable accounts and deliberate misinformation.
Stefanik said several of these irregularities were "unconstitutional." Most of them are legal through state law, which in some cases was changed due to the COVID-19 pandemic and verified by state election officials and each state's electors.
Pennsylvania.
In Pennsylvania, Stefanik said the state Supreme Court and secretary of state rewrote election law eliminating signature matching requirements. She said making this change without the state legislature was "unconstitutional."
The action described is true. Pennsylvania's Supreme Court ruled that mail-in ballot envelopes require a voter's signature but do not require that signature to be matched.
However, case law has set precedent for the constitutionality of the executive branch to change state election law and for the courts to interpret it.
Next, Stefanik wrote "they arbitrarily allowed late arriving ballots to be counted even though doing so explicitly ignored and broke state election law."
Pennsylvania's Supreme Court decided in September to let the state accept mail-in ballots received up to three days after Nov. 3 due to the COVID-19 pandemic, high rates of main-in voting and concerns over whether the USA Postal Service could deliver ballots on time.
"And duly credentialed election observers were not allowed to observe voting and the counting of the vote — another unconstitutional act," Stefanik wrote.
This is not true. Poll watchers were allowed to watch the processing of mail-in ballots, according to a court complaint from the Trump campaign. However, they were not close enough to see the writing on the ballots, which witnesses complained about. The state Supreme Court has ruled that poll watchers do not need to be close enough to see writing and stated that their view was "sufficient" in the 2020 election.
Georgia.
In Georgia, Stefanik said the secretary of state "unilaterally gutted signature matching for absentee ballots and in essence eliminated voter verification required by state election law."
This is false. Georgia required two signatures for absentee ballots. One given with a request for a ballot is compared to voter registration signatures. Another signature on the outside of the ballot envelope is then checked against both the absentee ballot application and voter registration.
This is a process Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows witnessed on Dec. 22 when he visited an audit site in Cobb County, Georgia, where 35 Georgia Bureau of Investigation agents and 15 state elections investigators conducted a 10% sample audit of ballots.
"In addition, more than 140,000 votes came from underage, deceased and otherwise unauthorized voters — in Fulton County alone," Stefanik wrote.
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said after investigation, only two illegal votes from dead people have been confirmed by the state. The Trump campaign alleged specific cases of dead voters in November, only for it to be revealed that these were several instances of two people sharing the same name, one dead and the other alive and voting.
State officials said they are investigating 74 potential felons who may have voted and three cases where someone voted in Georgia and another state. State officials said no unregistered or underage people voted. Four individuals requested a ballot before turning 18, but all four turned 18 before Election Day.
Trump called Raffensperger Jan. 2 and in an hour-long harangue asked him to "find 11,780 votes" and threatening him with criminal prosecution, which legal experts say may constitute election fraud or extortion.
Stefanik has not answered questions about this call.
Wisconsin.
In Wisconsin, Stefanik said state officials circumvented a state law that required absentee voters to provide photo identification before obtaining a ballot.
"Wisconsin's very own Supreme Court reprimanded the officials for issuing 'legally incorrect' guidance," Stefanik wrote. That is true.
Wisconsin election law requires photo ID with exceptions for voters "indefinitely confined" by illness or disability. These voters are verified by signatures on their ballots. The definition of "indefinitely confined" was expanded this year because of the coronavirus.
In March a Wisconsin Supreme Court ruling indeed found that this expansion was "legally incorrect."
"It is also a fact that Wisconsin state law specifies absentee ballots may only be returned by mail or delivered in person to the clerk's office — but the City of Madison illegally held events at multiple locations to collect more than 17,000 ballots anyway," Stefanik wrote.
This citywide "Democracy in the Park" event was objected to by the Trump campaign but was upheld in state Supreme Court, with the majority opinion judges saying to invalidate these ballots would "disenfranchise" voters.
Michigan.
In Michigan, Stefanik said "many individuals signed affidavits documenting the unconstitutional irregularities they witnessed. " These allegations included officials physically blocking poll watchers from observing vote counts, the counting of late ballots and hand-stamping ballots with the previous day's date.
Signed affidavits are presented as evidence in courts where they are considered by judges and juries. Many of these affidavits Trump's legal team presented were not admissible in court because they relied on secondhand allegations, also known as hearsay. Some were not admissible because the individual had relied on miscalculations for their allegation, such as the case of a man who though a mathematical error believed the city of Detroit had a 139.29% turnout.
Though lying on a sworn affidavit is a crime, it is hard to prove as false in cases of hearsay or misunderstanding.
Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has lambasted the Biden administration for USA Financing of an anti-corruption group in the country after a bilateral meeting with Vice President Harris on Friday.
Obrador alleged that the USA Is financially supporting a group called Mexicans Against Corruption and Impunity, a group of "coup plotters" that he claims are trying to undermine and overthrow the government.
"It's treason," Obrador declared. "It's meddling, it's interventionism and it's promoting coup-plotting. ".
(Excerpt) Read more at conservativebrief.com .
Comments: I remember reading years ago that the Chicago politicians—dominated eventually by Obama—traditionally had strong ties to the Sinaloa cartel. If this really is Obama's third term, and if what I read previously was true, it wouldn't be surprising.
Fast and Furious 2 coming up? Guns for the Sinaloa Cartel in exchange for donations to Hunter?
(Is it drug money?
Yes! All for Hunter. (And 10 percent for the Big Guy. . .)
Biden financing a Mexican Anti. Corruption probe is like El Chapo financing "Just Say No to Drugs" campaign with ads. . . LOL.
From day one the cult has been about targeting black and brown folks and wooing racists. It's backlash to the first black president, and thanks to an unpopular candidate in Hillary and her poorly run campaign, Trump was able to squeak in by conning midwesterners. And he was crying "rigged" in advance of that election just as the recent one, as the twerp lacks the cajones to admit it when he loses. We'd have gone through the same nonsense in 2016 had he lost. But yea even now the black and browns are being targeted with the stolen election lies and voter suppression efforts in state legislatures. The good news is that we are identifying it and calling it out, and on a much larger scale than in a monger forum. We are also winning, having taken back the WH, Congress, and the Senate inside of four years. That's why the fake patriots are squirming like toads. Wink.You actually think we are winning with Biden, Bernie, AOC and Harris? What are we winning? USA isn't respected in world politics. We have a crises at the border. Biden has pledged to increase refugees by 400%. History is being cancelled. Wokeness has become the new norm. No one wants to work just collect welfare or unemployment. Businesses are moving out of USA. Taxes are going up. Inflation is increasing rapidly. Crime is up in every major democrat city. Homelessness is up in all the democratic cities. Biden administration lowering learning standards at schools so blacks can keep up. What are we winning at? You are either are a Russian or Chinese citizen to say you are winning because that is who is winning.
You and Canada both should apply as "on air" talent for Fox "News" because you can spread manure faster than almost anyone other than Carlson.
But it is easy to be a trump supporter. All you need to do is bloviate about Fake news.What is fake here?
There is a crises at the border drugs and criminals crossing the border. Fox say yes. CNN says no.
All the riots by BLM and Antfisa are peaceful protests. Businesses destroyed and Billions of dollars of damage. Fox say riots. CNN says peaceful protests for a worthwhile cause.
Iran agreement should be reinstated because Iran is not making nuclear weapons. Fox says no. CNN says yes.
Which news is real? Which news is fake?
John Clayton
05-10-21, 19:27
...There is a crises at the border ..."Crises" is the plural of crisis. So either, there are crises, or there is a crisis. Kind of strange plural because of the classical Greek etymology.
Member #4698
05-10-21, 20:50
What is fake here?
There is a crises at the border drugs and criminals crossing the border. Fox say yes. CNN says no.
All the riots by BLM and Antfia are peaceful protests. Businesses destroyed and Billions of dollars of damage. Fox say riots. CNN says peaceful protests for a worthwhile cause.
Iran agreement should be reinstated because Iran is not making nuclear weapons. Fox says no. CNN says yes.
Which news is real? Which news is fake?Truth Canada. A lot of us are getting real tired of left wing corporate media Propaganda, outright lies and omissions. CNN parent organization AT&T. MSNBC, NBC parent organization Comcast. ABC parent organization Disney. Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos. All different news outlets, but somehow they always have the same voice, the same talking points, the same catch phrases day in and day out.
Check this video out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Zg023J-ok&t=44s and guess who has begun a hate campaign against this legendary artist.
Vagabundo1
05-11-21, 02:48
Spot on.
Well said.
I think you'll find from the last election that the Republican party is in control of the majority of state legislatures and governorships; very nearly won back the House and is 50/50 in the Senate and will win back both in 2022; and "lost" the White House due to unconstitutionality and fraud which is currently being unpicked, first in Arizona and soon elsewhere.
The GOP is the party of the American people. The only way the democrats can defeat it is by letting in millions of illegals in addition to the 30 million already in the country and allowing them all to vote illegally, which is of course the reason they want to ban all voter ID and other election integrity measures.
Bottom line though is that they thought they were the majority but they are not.When you remove illegals, foreigners and felons, we are a large majority. The GOP is the party of the American people. Even despite the vast majority of the fake news media, Marxist academia and Washington Deep State bureaucracy churning out endless propaganda against us, we were still set to win the election by some distance.
Hence the establishment needed to engineer the steal by using the laughably corrupt mass mail-in voting system, whereby hundreds of millions of ballots were sent out to whoever, wherever, and received back from whoever, whenever, in whatever number was required to overcome Trump's lead. Case in point: Detroit, where the count was inexplicably stopped with Trump well ahead; GOP observers kicked out, windows boarded up, then at 6 am 150,000 ballots found their way in, 96% of which were for Biden. Robert Mugabe would have blushed.
Fortunately, America still has great patriots who will not back down to media smears and deep state threats. They are pushing ahead with the Arizona audit despite democrats trying to get it stopped at every turn (why? Surely the dems should want to prove to the skeptical majority that their "victory" was legit. Unless they know it wasn't). More good news is coming from Michigan. We will not back down, and the majority of Americans are with us despite the best efforts of fake media and hollyweird distortion.
Kind of blablablaCopypasting leftist fake news wordsludge. Great.
PA: "case law has set precedent for the constitutionality of the executive branch to change state election law and for the courts to interpret it"
No, the constitution was broken. If we allow left-wing activist judges to "set precedent" by issuing whatever orders they feel like regardless of the constitution, we no longer have a constitutional republic.
WI: "Wisconsin election law requires photo ID with exceptions for voters "indefinitely confined" by illness or disability. These voters are verified by signatures on their ballots. The definition of "indefinitely confined" was expanded this year because of the coronavirus. In March a Wisconsin Supreme Court ruling indeed found that this expansion was "legally incorrect."
Great, so you accept Wisconsin was fraudulent and unconstitutional. We're making progress.
Michigan, we've already been through the hilariously obvious fraud of stopping the count, kicking out the GOP observers, boarding up the windows, then getting a 6 am shipment of 150,000 votes, 96% of which were for Biden.
Georgia: that was too obviously stolen to even bother with. Deep South. Had to evacuate the entire stadium in Atlanta because a toilet backed up, then only the local democrat operatives were allowed back in. LOL.
Arizona: being dealt with now.
So there we have it. A huge Trump victory. Don't even need to bother with Nevada, although hopefully some patriots are working there too.
Mexican President Andrs Manuel Lpez Obrador has lambasted the Biden administration for USA Financing of an anti-corruption group in the country after a bilateral meeting with Vice President Harris on Friday.
Obrador alleged that the USA Is financially supporting a group called Mexicans Against Corruption and Impunity, a group of "coup plotters" that he claims are trying to undermine and overthrow the government.
"It's treason," Obrador declared. "It's meddling, it's interventionism and it's promoting coup-plotting. ".
(Excerpt) Read more at conservativebrief.com .
Comments: I remember reading years ago that the Chicago politiciansdominated eventually by Obamatraditionally had strong ties to the Sinaloa cartel. If this really is Obama's third term, and if what I read previously was true, it wouldn't be surprising.
Fast and Furious 2 coming up? Guns for the Sinaloa Cartel in exchange for donations to Hunter?Biden is probably trying to install Hunter on the board of the Sinaloa cartel (with 20% for the Big Guy).
What is fake here?
There is a crises at the border drugs and criminals crossing the border. Fox say yes. CNN says no.
All the riots by BLM and Antifa are peaceful protests. Businesses destroyed and Billions of dollars of damage. Fox say riots. CNN says peaceful protests for a worthwhile cause.
Iran agreement should be reinstated because Iran is not making nuclear weapons. Fox says no. CNN says yes.
Which news is real? Which news is fake?Amen. The sheer and glaring hypocrisy between the fake news description of BLM / antifa violent riots which have, as you say, cost billions of dollars (and several lives) as "peaceful", while describing people walking into the Capitol through open doors with no damage or casualties (except for Ashli Babbitt, an unarmed protester killed by a cop who will face no charges) as "the greatest violent insurrection since the civil war" - it is just openly ludicrous.
Just the other day a bunch of leftists invaded a state capitol somewhere. Exactly the same as the Jan 6 protesters did, and yet it got limited, positive coverage. None of them arrested, just like the antifa / BLM rioters who all get out and charges dropped. Yet they locked up Trump supporters for months on BS trespassing charges, and now trying to sentence them to several years. It is politically biased bullshit and it will not stand. The Tree of Liberty is getting thirsty.
I think you'll find from the last election that the Republican party is in control of the majority of state legislatures and governorships; very nearly won back the House and is 50/50 in the Senate and will win back both in 2022; and "lost" the White House due to unconstitutionality and fraud which is currently being unpicked, first in Arizona and soon elsewhere.
The GOP is the party of the American people. The only way the democrats can defeat it is by letting in millions of illegals in addition to the 30 million already in the country and allowing them all to vote illegally, which is of course the reason they want to ban all voter ID and other election integrity measures.Still waiting on the proof. Every official recount, failed. Every court case, failed. All the race baiting, failed. And in your case, all the Jew baiting, failed. Sounds like you're a loser, and the American people, by way of democracy and legal precedents and procedures, winners. See ya at the polls in 2022.
Spot on.
Well said.Tacking on a me too requires no effort, but there's a saying "better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than." Well go look it up. Wink.
"Crises" is the plural of crisis. So either, there are crises, or there is a crisis. Kind of strange plural because of the classical Greek etymology.Whereas Leningrad is the singular of Leningrad. The city currently known as St Petersburg in Russia. I recall you once claimed a patriotic website was run from there, when in fact it was as American as baseball and apple pie. You never apologized and accepted fault for that, did you?
Truth Canada. A lot of us are getting real tired of left wing corporate media Propaganda, outright lies and omissions. CNN parent organization AT&T. MSNBC, NBC parent organization Comcast. ABC parent organization Disney. Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos. All different news outlets, but somehow they always have the same voice, the same talking points, the same catch phrases day in and day out.A lot of us are getting real tired of corporate news entities like Fox News and their evening propagandists, One America News, News Max, extreme right rags like the World Tribune that your pal Canada often references, and all varieties of viral social media "stop the steal" nonsense undermining our democracy with the fanciful racially loaded accusations that every court and reasonable person has rejected. All the same voice, same catch phrases day in and day out. We can add the pseudo patriots / traitors at the Capital, mindless sheep believing every lie Trump tells them while murdering police officers, Covid denialism and anti-vaxxers, and it's pleasing that inside of four years you have been removed from power, WH, Congress, and Senate. I'm truly digging it.
What is fake here?
There is a crises at the border drugs and criminals crossing the border. Fox say yes. CNN says no.
All the riots by BLM and Antfisa are peaceful protests. Businesses destroyed and Billions of dollars of damage. Fox say riots. CNN says peaceful protests for a worthwhile cause.
Iran agreement should be reinstated because Iran is not making nuclear weapons. Fox says no. CNN says yes.
Which news is real? Which news is fake?Fox says Biden is coming for your meat. CNN says no.
Fox says that COVID is a hoax. CNN says no. 580,000+ Americans would say NO also, but they're dead.
Which news is real? Which news is fake?
No attempt to rebut the arguments as usual, because you cannot. Just boring, unoriginal, low-information flailing.
Let's take one issue which I already explained to you a few weeks back but you don't seem to have grasped yet. Election integrity. As I showed, the vast majority of democracies across the world require photo ID to ensure election integrity, and ban mail-in ballots because they are not secure and easy to rig. Why do you think that is? Are they all "racist"? (Hint: many of them are in majority-black countries!Nice job cherry-picking your "Facts".
Most other democracies make "election day" a national holiday. Not in the US, though. And Republicans don't want it to be.
Most other democracies use a consistent federal identification card. This eliminates the BS of a state deciding that a hunting license with a photo is a valid ID but a college ID with a photo isn't. Republicans don't want that either.
Nice try, though.
Fox says Biden is coming for your meat. CNN says no.
Fox says that COVID is a hoax. CNN says no. 580,000+ Americans would say NO also, but they're dead.
Which news is real? Which news is fake?FOX news never said it was a hoax. Why do you lie on this site because it is easily checked.
Nice job cherry-picking your "Facts".
Most other democracies make "election day" a national holiday. Not in the US, though. And Republicans don't want it to be.
Most other democracies use a consistent federal identification card. This eliminates the BS of a state deciding that a hunting license with a photo is a valid ID but a college ID with a photo isn't. Republicans don't want that either.
Nice try, though.Yes most other democracies use a federal ID card but you still have to apply for it the same as a drivers license or passport. Those countries don't just mail one to everyone living in the country. There are thousands of foreigners going to college in USA that get college IDs. You are a typical democrat who wants these illegal votes to count. You need an ID to work in USA, to cash your paycheck in USA, to buy beer in USA, to travel in USA so why is it so terrible to make these same people need an ID to vote. In most countries you can't even stay in a hotel without a passport. Name one country that you yourself could go to and vote in their election.
John Clayton
05-11-21, 16:01
a patriotic website was run from there, when in fact it was as American as baseball and apple pie....Okay, who do you believe owns the domain? Start here:
https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/hamilton-dashboard
Vagabundo1
05-11-21, 16:11
If you're a man who's been living in America for the last year you are getting spit roasted by Nancy Pelosi and Kamala Harris with strapons. They in turn have their hands up Biden's and Newsom's ass. At least some countries like Brazil still have a real guy as the President.
God help the United States.
JFK's Democratic Party is dead.
Biden is probably trying to install Hunter on the board of the Sinaloa cartel (with 20% for the Big Guy).
A lot of us are getting real tired of corporate news entities like Fox News and their evening propagandists, One America News, News Max, extreme right rags like the World Tribune that your pal Canada often references, and all varieties of viral social media "stop the steal" nonsense undermining our democracy with the fanciful racially loaded accusations that every court and reasonable person has rejected. All the same voice, same catch phrases day in and day out. We can add the pseudo patriots / traitors at the Capital, mindless sheep believing every lie Trump tells them while murdering police officers, Covid denialism and anti-vaxxers, and it's pleasing that inside of four years you have been removed from power, WH, Congress, and Senate. I'm truly digging it.Trump is gone and a great America is gone. I am glad you are truly digging Biden's USA.
Biden's USA:
1. Defund police. Murders and shootings daily in Time Square. 4 year old shot yesterday in time square.
2. Venice Beach, CA muggings, homeless camps, drugs make beach and homeowners not safe anymore.
3. BLM peaceful riots allowed to destroy business and property but no permits for Veterans parade on Memorial Day.
4. 24,000 homeless illegal children at the border.
5. Drugs crossing border at all time highs and sex traffickers bringing in hundreds of 13-17 year old girls for sex industry.
6. Homeless skyrocketing in democratic states.
7. Higher taxes.
8. Bigger government and more stupid regulations for small business.
9. Leaving Afghanistan so the terrorists can reclaim it.
10. New green deal that will leave the poor not being able to afford power.
11. Paying people to not work.
12. Inflation skyrocketing.
13. Companies starting to leave USA for fairer taxes.
14. Cancel history.
15. Wokeness for all white people.
16. Lowering academic standards in school and teaching children race issues rather than spelling and arithmetic.
I am glad you are digging it.
This administration is a disgrace and you are a disgrace for supporting it.
FOX news never said it was a hoax. Why do you lie on this site because it is easily checked.Really? Faux "News" never said it was a hoax? "This scaring the living hell out of people — I see it, again, as like, let's bludgeon Trump with this new hoax," Hannity said during his March 9 broadcast ". Quotation from https://www.vox.com/2020/3/20/21186727/hannity-coronavirus-coverage-fox-news..
Why do you lie on this site because it is easily checked?
Yes most other democracies use a federal ID card but you still have to apply for it the same as a drivers license or passport. Those countries don't just mail one to everyone living in the country. There are thousands of foreigners going to college in USA that get college IDs. You are a typical democrat who wants these illegal votes to count. You need an ID to work in USA, to cash your paycheck in USA, to buy beer in USA, to travel in USA so why is it so terrible to make these same people need an ID to vote. In most countries you can't even stay in a hotel without a passport. Name one country that you yourself could go to and vote in their election.Why do you try to put words in my mouth?
First, other countries have a standardized approach to their Federal ID process. Virtually all states require 2 forms of ID to register to vote. Only an idiot would say that showing up with a hunting license and a birth certificate is "good" but showing up with a student ID and a birth certificate is "bad". And my question STILL REMAINS. Why are Republicans so against this? By the way, I never said anything about voting in another country's elections.
Maybe if you spent more time learning and less time bloviating, you'd make fewer ridiculous statements.
A lot of us are getting real tired of corporate news entities like Fox News and their evening propagandists, One America News, News Max, extreme right rags like the World Tribune that your pal Canada often references, and all varieties of viral social media "stop the steal" nonsense undermining our democracy with the fanciful racially loaded accusations that every court and reasonable person has rejected. All the same voice, same catch phrases day in and day out. We can add the pseudo patriots / traitors at the Capital, mindless sheep believing every lie Trump tells them while murdering police officers, Covid denialism and anti-vaxxers, and it's pleasing that inside of four years you have been removed from power, WH, Congress, and Senate. I'm truly digging it.True and one of the main problem with the covid deniers and anti-vaxxers is their blatant disregard for welfare of the soldiers in their cult. These people rail against the vaccine while secretly getting the jab to protect themselves. Such was the case when when Donny and his wife got their shot on the down-low while pretending to be unmoved by Covid. The lastest is top purveyor of fake news and outrage, and covid denier, Tucker Fake News Carlston who refuses to say if he took the vacinne.
I would bet all my Canadian currency that he also took the vaccine but continues to rails against it nightly. Its unattractive to be a hypocrite but when you put your disciples at risk just so you can advance your talking point, it shows how heartless you are. Sadly Tuck, Donnie and crew will continue to put more suckers at risk while they advance their propaganda.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/05/tucker-carlson-covid-vaccine-skeptic
Big Boss Man
05-11-21, 19:50
Yes most other democracies use a federal ID card but you still have to apply for it the same as a drivers license or passport. Those countries don't just mail one to everyone living in the country. There are thousands of foreigners going to college in USA that get college IDs. You are a typical democrat who wants these illegal votes to count. You need an ID to work in USA, to cash your paycheck in USA, to buy beer in USA, to travel in USA so why is it so terrible to make these same people need an ID to vote. In most countries you can't even stay in a hotel without a passport. Name one country that you yourself could go to and vote in their election.This is the most insane argument that I have ever heard. Do you realize that only 60 to 70 percent of those eligible to vote actually vote in America? There is even less participation in local elections. Why would a foreigner in the USA risk their right to stay in America performing an act that citizens don't even value themselves? You are arguing that people are irrational. They don't pursue their own self-interest.
Vagabundo1
05-11-21, 21:58
Not the forum to give it real work.
Tacking on a me too requires no effort, but there's a saying "better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than." Well go look it up. Wink.
This is the most insane argument that I have ever heard. Do you realize that only 60 to 70 percent of those eligible to vote actually vote in America? There is even less participation in local elections. Why would a foreigner in the USA risk their right to stay in America performing an act that citizens don't even value themselves? You are arguing that people are irrational. They don't pursue their own self-interest.That point among others has been made numerous times but only ignored while the same Trumpian talking points are recited over and over. Call this the thread of the ad nauseam.
https://religions.wiki/index.php/Proof_by_assertion
As to the alleged flood of illegal immigrants that turned the election, all of us including the courts are still waiting on the proof. So far all we have is a botched press conference beside an adult bookstore in front of Four Seasons Landscaping, all accentuated by a hair dye fiasco.
Most immigrants who come to the United States come from traditional, conservative, and extremely religious nations, while nations that are considered secular and progressive, such as European countries, Japan, South Korea and Australia, send few if any immigrants to the USA.
Latin Americans make up the majority of immigrants to the United States. Democrats have been continually surprised that, considering the countless right-wing racist attacks they have endured (including candidate Donald Trump calling Mexicans who sought to come to the United States drug users and rapists), that they do not form a solid Democratic block. They don't. In fact, some 32 percent of Hispanics say their political views are "very conservative" or "conservative." This percentage is about in line with American adults in general.
In Texas, a quarter of Latinos voted for Ted Cruz over Beto O'Rourke in the 2016 USA Senate race. Without that Latino support, Cruz would have lost his senate bid in a landslide.
As for Sub-Saharan African immigrants, they tend to be conservative and extremely religious. Many find Western culture to be hopelessly decadent. Kevin Thomas, professor of African American and African diaspora studies at The University of Texas at Austin, notes that, in terms of political ideology, Black immigrants tend to lean more on the conservative side than the liberal side. This is in contrast to native-born Blacks who most often describe themselves as moderate Democrats.
One self-described moderate Republican Nigerian immigrant sounded like he was channeling your average white Trump voter when he recently told PRI, "Trump's not a politician, and he speaks his mind. Does things the way he believes things should be done. Nigerians prefer strong leaders."
GeneHickman
05-12-21, 00:24
Most immigrants who come to the United States come from traditional, conservative, and extremely religious nations, while nations that are considered secular and progressive, such as European countries, Japan, South Korea and Australia, send few if any immigrants to the USA.
Latin Americans make up the majority of immigrants to the United States. Democrats have been continually surprised that, considering the countless right-wing racist attacks they have endured (including candidate Donald Trump calling Mexicans who sought to come to the United States drug users and rapists), that they do not form a solid Democratic block. They don't. In fact, some 32 percent of Hispanics say their political views are "very conservative" or "conservative." This percentage is about in line with American adults in general.
In Texas, a quarter of Latinos voted for Ted Cruz over Beto O'Rourke in the 2016 USA Senate race. Without that Latino support, Cruz would have lost his senate bid in a landslide.
As for Sub-Saharan African immigrants, they tend to be conservative and extremely religious. Many find Western culture to be hopelessly decadent. Kevin Thomas, professor of African American and African diaspora studies at The University of Texas at Austin, notes that, in terms of political ideology, Black immigrants tend to lean more on the conservative side than the liberal side. This is in contrast to native-born Blacks who most often describe themselves as moderate Democrats.
One self-described moderate Republican Nigerian immigrant sounded like he was channeling your average white Trump voter when he recently told PRI, "Trump's not a politician, and he speaks his mind. Does things the way he believes things should be done. Nigerians prefer strong leaders."Yet when all his is netted out, immigrants vote probably 3:1 democrat. This country has taken on tens of millions of immigrant voters since Kennedy changed the immigration system. The end result is that the equilibrium has been shifted and we have gone from a right of center country to a left of center country. That will have economic, social and other consequences and they will play out gradually over coming couple of decades. We don't defy gravity here in the USA.
Mr Enternational
05-12-21, 00:45
This is in contrast to native-born Blacks who most often describe themselves as moderate Democrats.And why is that? It is because Martin Luther King Sr told them to. Before that 1960 election most were Republican. And why did he tell them to? Because the Republican candidate Nixon would not help get his son out of jail, but the Democratic candidate Kennedy did. If it was not for that small moment in history, the Democratic party would probably not exist today.
Vagabundo1
05-12-21, 01:10
Very interesting.
Kennedy was the greatest president in the last 100 years.
And why is that? It is because Martin Luther King Sr told them to. Before that 1960 election most were Republican. And why did he tell them to? Because the Republican candidate Nixon would not help get his son out of jail, but the Democratic candidate Kennedy did. If it was not for that small moment in history, the Democratic party would probably not exist today.
This is the most insane argument that I have ever heard. Do you realize that only 60 to 70 percent of those eligible to vote actually vote in America? There is even less participation in local elections. Why would a foreigner in the USA risk their right to stay in America performing an act that citizens don't even value themselves? You are arguing that people are irrational. They don't pursue their own self-interest.60% is the norm but in some counties democrats had 110% of their registered voters vote. 2020 proved that the election did not follow the pattern of the last 50 years. 2020 was the only year ever that democrats had more votes in counties than they had registered voters. Seems strange to me too.
Why do you try to put words in my mouth?
First, other countries have a standardized approach to their Federal ID process. Virtually all states require 2 forms of ID to register to vote. Only an idiot would say that showing up with a hunting license and a birth certificate is "good" but showing up with a student ID and a birth certificate is "bad". And my question STILL REMAINS. Why are Republicans so against this? By the way, I never said anything about voting in another country's elections.
Maybe if you spent more time learning and less time bloviating, you'd make fewer ridiculous statements.The answer is Republicans want an honest election. Democrats don't so they want to bend every rule they can. Pretty simple to understand if you are one of the cheaters.
60% is the norm but in some counties democrats had 110% of their registered voters vote. 2020 proved that the election did not follow the pattern of the last 50 years. 2020 was the only year ever that democrats had more votes in counties than they had registered voters. Seems strange to me too.More lies. Show which counties by their official tallies had this. Multiple Trump lawsuits alleged that more people voted in electorates than people on the rolls until they were confronted with the actual official tallies and were forced to withdraw the allegations. They had matched the wrong electorates.
The answer is Republicans want an honest election. Democrats don't so they want to bend every rule they can. Pretty simple to understand if you are one of the cheaters.So why do they need to Gerrymander? Why do they need to disenfranchise blocks of voters that traditionally don't vote for them?
BbqMushrooms
05-12-21, 03:13
The answer is Republicans want an honest election. Democrats don't so they want to bend every rule they can. Pretty simple to understand if you are one of the cheaters.That's why they banned handing out water bottles to voters in Georgia right? That's why they now ask for a voter ID in Texas right? That's why they gerrymander the hell out of counties to get more seats in the house right? That's why when they voted on Trump's impeachment they blocked witnesses from testifying right? That's why during the presidential elections of 2020 when people were afraid to go the polls due to coronavirus and counties started hosting mail-in voting, Trump posted his boy DeJoy in the White House who attempted to cripple the post office by dismantling mail sorting machines right? That's why Trump was caught on the phone trying to convince Georgia to "find him votes" right? That's why in 2000, Florida mysteriously removed 12,000 black voters from their register right? Because they want fair elections. Ahhh yes, how could I forget?
Yet when all his is netted out, immigrants vote probably 3:1 democrat. This country has taken on tens of millions of immigrant voters since Kennedy changed the immigration system. The end result is that the equilibrium has been shifted and we have gone Kennedy 'changed' it. The 1965 Immigration Act?
News that nearly 1,000 Chinese Americans donated a total of $86,000 to the far right group the Proud Boys last December shouldn't surprise anyone.
It should, however, worry Democrats.
Democrats have been counting heavily on shifting demographics with regard to their party's future. Their hope is that as America diversifies and becomes a less white nation, elections will trend Democratic. However, news of large numbers of Chinese Americans supporting white nationalist groups demonstrates once again that demographics are not that simple.
While it may seem illogical that a large number of non-whites would support the far right, a deep dive into the data helps explain this counterintuitive trend.
Immigrants who came to the USA From communist countries Cuba and China, foremost are likely to be fervent anti-communists, and are thus tailor made for right-wing politics, including extreme far-right groups like the Proud Boys.
"You have to understand how we feel. We came from communist China and we managed to come here and we appreciate it here so much," Rebecca Kwan, a Proud Boys donor told USA Today. "The Proud Boys are for Trump and they are fighting Antifa, and can you see anything good that Antifa did except destroy department stores and small businesses?
Newsweek suggested that the donors could be "radicalized Chinese expats or 'deeply conservative' Chinese Americans who support the misogyny and racism of far-right movements.
More lies. Show which counties by their official tallies had this. Multiple Trump lawsuits alleged that more people voted in electorates than people on the rolls until they were confronted with the actual official tallies and were forced to withdraw the allegations. They had matched the wrong electorates.Here is news from USA Today. I guess they lie also.
USA TODAY.
The claim: Pennsylvania recorded more mail-in votes than ballots requested.
A claim made by President Donald Trump and his supporters on social media is that Pennsylvania election officials reported more mail-in votes for the 2020 election than the number of ballots requested.
Users on Facebook are sharing a screenshot of a viral tweet from Republican state Sen. Doug Mastriano that purports to show data shared by the Pennsylvania Department of State. Data is laid out in a chart, with vote totals for Trump and Democrat Joe Biden, with a timestamp of 8 pm Nov. 24.
Mastriano adds the chart "was posted on our Department of State dashboard but had since been deleted. ".
Below the chart is this question: "Pennsylvania reports having mailed out 1,823,148 ballots, of which 1,462,302 were returned. Yet total mail-in voters number 2,589,242? From where did the extra 1,126,940 votes come?
By December 1 Department of State took down the chart. Amazing every time there is evidence of fraud that the democrats in Department of State removed the charts of the vote totals but it is easy to check that they received more than 100% of the ballots. Happened in Georgia also. This is USA Today a democratic newspaper that reported this.
Here is news from USA Today. I guess they lie also.
USA TODAY.
The claim: Pennsylvania recorded more mail-in votes than ballots requested.
A claim made by President Donald Trump and his supporters on social media is that Pennsylvania election officials reported more mail-in votes for the 2020 election than the number of ballots requested.
Users on Facebook are sharing a screenshot of a viral tweet from Republican state Sen. Doug Mastriano that purports to show data shared by the Pennsylvania Department of State. Data is laid out in a chart, with vote totals for Trump and Democrat Joe Biden, with a timestamp of 8 pm Nov. 24.
Mastriano adds the chart "was posted on our Department of State dashboard but had since been deleted. ".
Below the chart is this question: "Pennsylvania reports having mailed out 1,823,148 ballots, of which 1,462,302 were returned. Yet total mail-in voters number 2,589,242? From where did the extra 1,126,940 votes come?
By December 1 Department of State took down the chart. Amazing every time there is evidence of fraud that the democrats in Department of State removed the charts of the vote totals but it is easy to check that they received more than 100% of the ballots. Happened in Georgia also. This is USA Today a democratic newspaper that reported this.Why post lies that are easily disproven in a 30-second internet search.
"The statistic combines data from Pennsylvania's June primary election, in which 1.8 million voters requested vote-by-mail ballots, and data from the general election, in which voters mailed back more than 2. 6 million ballots that were counted. " Quote taken from https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9787630390?fbclid=IwAR0Ai01_WNTZn-CIXQFJHNvp0r2-Kvvr1ERyMHZcXfFfgHvWfDQNVOcVI0I.
60% is the norm but in some counties democrats had 110% of their registered voters vote. 2020 proved that the election did not follow the pattern of the last 50 years. 2020 was the only year ever that democrats had more votes in counties than they had registered voters. Seems strange to me too.Give the BS a rest.
Your claim of more votes than voters has been debunked over and over, ad infinitum. "Your candidate lost. Too bad for you. Suck it up. Screw your feelings." Remember these same words from 2016?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/31/fact-check-michigan-townships-had-more-registered-voters-than-votes/4097868001/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/30/fact-check-fals-president-than-were-registered-u-s/4010087001/
The answer is Republicans want an honest election. Democrats don't so they want to bend every rule they can. Pretty simple to understand if you are one of the cheaters.Pleas explain why a potential voter showing a hunting license an a US birth certificate can get a photo ID and why another potential voter showing a college photo ID and a US birth certificate cannot get a photo ID?
We all want to take advantage of your superior wisdom.
And why is that? It is because Martin Luther King Sr told them to. Before that 1960 election most were Republican. And why did he tell them to? Because the Republican candidate Nixon would not help get his son out of jail, but the Democratic candidate Kennedy did. If it was not for that small moment in history, the Democratic party would probably not exist today.You really believe blakmericans (you excepted, of course) are such petty herd animals that they would follow blindly, as you suggest?
Here is news from USA Today. I guess they lie also.
USA TODAY.
The claim: Pennsylvania recorded more mail-in votes than ballots requested.
A claim made by President Donald Trump and his supporters on social media is that Pennsylvania election officials reported more mail-in votes for the 2020 election than the number of ballots requested.
Users on Facebook are sharing a screenshot of a viral tweet from Republican state Sen. Doug Mastriano that purports to show data shared by the Pennsylvania Department of State. Data is laid out in a chart, with vote totals for Trump and Democrat Joe Biden, with a timestamp of 8 pm Nov. 24.
Mastriano adds the chart "was posted on our Department of State dashboard but had since been deleted. ".
Below the chart is this question: "Pennsylvania reports having mailed out 1,823,148 ballots, of which 1,462,302 were returned. Yet total mail-in voters number 2,589,242? From where did the extra 1,126,940 votes come?
By December 1 Department of State took down the chart. Amazing every time there is evidence of fraud that the democrats in Department of State removed the charts of the vote totals but it is easy to check that they received more than 100% of the ballots. Happened in Georgia also. This is USA Today a democratic newspaper that reported this.
How can you quote the CLAIM of a fact-check, and avoid the FACTual conclusion?
"The numbers are real but they are a mix of data from the state's primary and general elections. And the data is still on the state's website. ".
In short this is an example of Mastiano and / or his followers being misunderstanding what they read. They are observing more mail in ballots received in a pandemic for a general election than were sent out for a PRIMARY election. But who quotes an article and leaves out the 'fact' in a fact check in order to leave the exact wrong impression? Either the above poster is dishonest or he relies on sources which are.
So are Republican leaders stupid or are they taking advantage of people's desire to believe they won? I didn't check the state website, but I will say that Mastriano is a retired Colonel with degrees from University of New Brunswick School of Advanced Air and Space Studies and United States Army War College... He knows how to read a chart.
Here is the link: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/28/fact-check-pennsylvania-ballot-claim-mixes-primary-general-election-data/6450032002/.
Here is news from USA Today. I guess they lie also.
USA TODAY.
The claim: Pennsylvania recorded more mail-in votes than ballots requested.
A claim made by President Donald Trump and his supporters on social media is that Pennsylvania election officials reported more mail-in votes for the 2020 election than the number of ballots requested.
Users on Facebook are sharing a screenshot of a viral tweet from Republican state Sen. Doug Mastriano that purports to show data shared by the Pennsylvania Department of State. Data is laid out in a chart, with vote totals for Trump and Democrat Joe Biden, with a timestamp of 8 pm Nov. 24.
Mastriano adds the chart "was posted on our Department of State dashboard but had since been deleted. ".
Below the chart is this question: "Pennsylvania reports having mailed out 1,823,148 ballots, of which 1,462,302 were returned. Yet total mail-in voters number 2,589,242? From where did the extra 1,126,940 votes come?Well Sojourner did the work for me, totally blowing your lies out of the water.
"In a news release on Oct. 27, the deadline to apply for a mail or absentee ballot in the state, Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf's office said more than 3 million voters had applied to vote by mail.
The USA Elections Project reports that mail ballot request rates were 1,941,131 for Democrats; 784,851 for Republicans; 25,367 for a minor party; and 336,175 for independents, putting the total number requested at 3,087,524."
Of course since Trump rose to power it seems very few people in the Republican party are capable of telling the truth. You will have to do a lot better Canada!
Mr Enternational
05-12-21, 16:44
You really believe blakmericans (you excepted, of course) are such petty herd animals that they would follow blindly, as you suggest?Sorry, I did not suggest anything. I simply stated a known fact. This was during the Civil Rights Era and MLK Sr had clout amongst Black people as the head of what is the most famous Black church in America. Feel free to look it up.
"With days left in the race, the campaigns of Richard M. Nixon and John F. Kennedy sought to downplay civil rights issues for fear of losing southern white votes. Blacks had mostly voted Republican, since Abraham Lincoln. Nixon had just been endorsed by Martin Luther King Sr. , the leader of Ebenezer Baptist Church. But Nixon ignored their pleas for help, while Kennedy called Coretta to express his sympathy.
Historians Taylor Branch and David Garrow wrote that Robert F. Kennedy threw a fit, telling aides who fed her number to his brother that they cost him the presidency, but he called Mitchell, who reversed his denial of bond, immediately freeing King.
King's father switched his endorsement, saying Kennedy had "the moral courage to stand up for what's right. " That quote, and others, appeared in a blue-papered pamphlet titled "No Comment Nixon Versus a Candidate with a Heart, Senator Kennedy. " Unnoticed by the national media, Kennedy aides and King supporters distributed the pamphlet in black churches around the nation the Sunday before Election Day.
Blacks had voted 60-40 Republican just four years earlier; this time they voted 70-30 for the Democrat, providing more than enough for Kennedy to win the electoral college and the popular vote by a narrow 113,000 margin nationwide".
How can you quote the CLAIM of a fact-check, and avoid the FACTual conclusion?
"The numbers are real but they are a mix of data from the state's primary and general elections. And the data is still on the state's website. ".
In short this is an example of Mastiano and / or his followers being misunderstanding what they read. They are observing more mail in ballots received in a pandemic for a general election than were sent out for a PRIMARY election. But who quotes an article and leaves out the 'fact' in a fact check in order to leave the exact wrong impression? Either the above poster is dishonest or he relies on sources which are.
So are Republican leaders stupid or are they taking advantage of people's desire to believe they won? I didn't check the state website, but I will say that Mastriano is a retired Colonel with degrees from University of New Brunswick School of Advanced Air and Space Studies and United States Army War College... He knows how to read a chart.
Here is the link: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/28/fact-check-pennsylvania-ballot-claim-mixes-primary-general-election-data/6450032002/.You can't check the state because the state deleted the chart and the evidence so nobody will ever know the truth. Seems like everytime some real evidence gets presented it it quickly eliminated by the democrats. As soon as USA Today ran the story the evidence disappeared. And you wonder why Republicans want a honest election.
Pleas explain why a potential voter showing a hunting license an a US birth certificate can get a photo ID and why another potential voter showing a college photo ID and a US birth certificate cannot get a photo ID?
We all want to take advantage of your superior wisdom.It is very simple. You can't get a hunting or fishing license without a drivers license to prove what state you live in. If you have a hunting license you have a drivers license. Obviously you are not a hunter. A college ID or a birth certificate does not prove the state you live in.
CNN last night proved they are not a news station but only a propaganda platform for the democrats. With tensions in Israel and Middle East problems, Taliban starting up the CNN news spent 90 minutes discussing their new darling for the democrats Cheney. They love Cheney now that Wyoming has basically given up on her agenda. CNN will continue talking about anyone who opposes Trump rather than report the news.
Biden is scrambling and has no solutions. Border crises, Israel, Taliban, inflation poor job reports. He has accomplished nothing and everything that was working las 4 years is falling apart. The democrats must be so proud. In just 100 days we went from great to distressed.
Beijing4987
05-12-21, 18:44
Afghanistan has resisted invaders for longer than the last four years and 100 days. The current administration, like it or not was handed a mess in many ways. The southern US border has been in chaos for decades. Why pay attention to CNN when all one needs to know comes from Tuckkker, except his Covid vaccination status. Maybe the second shot is the reason he's so whacked out. By the way, didn’t the Boy Wonder real estate grifter solve the Middle East problems. He stroked Prince Salamander’s Orb along with Fat Nixon. Kashoggi (RIP)
You can't check the state because the state deleted the chart and the evidence so nobody will ever know the truth. Seems like everytime some real evidence gets presented it it quickly eliminated by the democrats. As soon as USA Today ran the story the evidence disappeared. And you wonder why Republicans want a honest election.Or, the state realized that the "evidence" was all BS so they deleted it.
All, ie. Every single one, of the "facts" that RepucliCANTS cling to (regarding the election) have been debunked. Just like "Jewish Space Lasers", "Windmills cause cancer", etc.
It is very simple. You can't get a hunting or fishing license without a drivers license to prove what state you live in. If you have a hunting license you have a drivers license. Obviously you are not a hunter. A college ID or a birth certificate does not prove the state you live in.A college student with a valid ID resides close to the college. He is therefore eligible to vote there. Period. End of story.
CNN last night proved they are not a news station but only a propaganda platform for the democrats. With tensions in Israel and Middle East problems, Taliban starting up the CNN news spent 90 minutes discussing their new darling for the democrats Cheney. They love Cheney now that Wyoming has basically given up on her agenda. CNN will continue talking about anyone who opposes Trump rather than report the news.
Biden is scrambling and has no solutions. Border crises, Israel, Taliban, inflation poor job reports. He has accomplished nothing and everything that was working las 4 years is falling apart. The democrats must be so proud. In just 100 days we went from great to distressed.Two words: Cancel cuture. They are busy pointing out to Republicans, who suffer from cranial-rectal inversion, the hypocrisy of canceling Cheney. According to the GOP, cancel culture only happens when Democrats do it.
Beijing4987
05-12-21, 19:04
The caning of Liz Cheney is cancel culture's ignominious hour. Disclaimer: I'm not a fan of either faction of the US one party system of the rich.
Mr Enternational
05-12-21, 19:28
The current administration, like it or not was handed a mess in many ways.If you came to me and begged to buy this visibly old and dilapidated house that others were also interested in buying and I sold it to you, you can hardly say that you were handed a mess when you begged for, competed for, and paid for said mess.
Why post lies that are easily disproven in a 30-second internet search.
"The statistic combines data from Pennsylvania's June primary election, in which 1.8 million voters requested vote-by-mail ballots, and data from the general election, in which voters mailed back more than 2. 6 million ballots that were counted. " Quote taken from https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9787630390?fbclid=IwAR0Ai01_WNTZn-CIXQFJHNvp0r2-Kvvr1ERyMHZcXfFfgHvWfDQNVOcVI0I.It's amazing how these morons whine about "big tech" and CNN then jump on any viral nonsense that shows up in their social media like a kangaroo in heat.
The caning of Liz Cheney is cancel culture's ignominious hour. Disclaimer: I'm not a fan of either faction of the US one party system of the rich.She is elected by the state of Wyoming and her views don't represent Wyoming citizens. She should have been demoted and should be voted out entirely in 2022. That is life. You do a bad job and you get fired.
Beijing4987
05-12-21, 21:45
It's a bi partisan mess. I was born here. The political pendulum swings back and forth. If one believes in the laws, then losing in an election and in the courts must be accepted. The founding slave owners had to make compromises, the original sin of the constitution being the 3/5 ths compromise to get 13 warlords to agree.
The caning of Liz Cheney is cancel culture's ignominious hour. Disclaimer: I'm not a fan of either faction of the US one party system of the rich.It's only "cancel culture" if you tell a Trumptard to either tell the truth, or shut the fuck up.
Afghanistan has resisted invaders for longer than the last four years and 100 days. The current administration, like it or not was handed a mess in many ways. The southern US border has been in chaos for decades. Why pay attention to CNN when all one needs to know comes from Tuckkker, except his Covid vaccination status. Maybe the second shot is the reason he's so whacked out. By the way, didnt the Boy Wonder real estate grifter solve the Middle East problems. He stroked Prince Salamanders Orb along with Fat Nixon. Kashoggi (RIP)Under Trump administration the border was under control. Border patrol could handle the amount of illegals, drug smugglers and traffickers. Under Biden administration they are overwhelmed and the border is the worst ever.
Middle East will erupt again with a weak USA president.
Inflation was 1% under Trump administration and now they are predicting 4% inflation for Biden first 4 months. Gas was $1. 59 with Trump $3. 19 now but not Biden fault. Lumber has tripled in last 4 months. Not Biden fault. Border crises. Not Biden fault. Jobs not being created. Not Biden fault. Cancel culture and lowering school standards. Not Biden fault. Domestic terrorists like BLM and Antifa. Not Biden fault.
Are we going to blame Trump for next 4 years. When does Biden actually have to start correcting these things. What is Biden doing besides hiding in his office with a mask on? Only solution Biden has is bigger government and give money to people who don't want to work and to give money to democratic states that have screwed up their state. He wants to give our money away. Tax payers money away. That is his solution. He will give money away and everyone will pay more taxes to pay for it.
Surely you can't be this stupid? Can you?
Beijing4987
05-12-21, 22:03
The four year nightmare has passed. No more messages sent from the White House Toilet at 3 am Too bad for all the impersonators and all those who died needlessly from Covid when the nation should have been prepared. This is what happens when a grifter and ignorant clown is elected. First elected, then ejected. Yes, China is a problem, but so is Putin. Good luck USA.
She is elected by the state of Wyoming and her views don't represent Wyoming citizens. She should have been demoted and should be voted out entirely in 2022. That is life. You do a bad job and you get fired.Just like Donnie got fired. Biden got more electoral votes than Donnie. 74+ million voted for him. 81+ million voted for Biden.
I'll bet Liz Cheney is also reelected. If so, your "bad job" comment will ring hollow.
Sorry, I did not suggest anything. I simply stated a known fact. This was during the Civil Rights Era and MLK Sr had clout amongst Black people as the head of what is the most famous Black church in America. Feel free to look it up.
"With days left in the race, the campaigns of Richard M. Nixon and John F. Kennedy sought to downplay civil rights issues for fear of losing southern white votes. Blacks had mostly voted Republican, since Abraham Lincoln. Nixon had just been endorsed by Martin Luther King Sr. , the leader of Ebenezer Baptist Church. But Nixon ignored their pleas for help, while Kennedy called Coretta to express his sympathy.
Historians Taylor Branch and David Garrow wrote that Robert F. Kennedy threw a fit, telling aides who fed her number to his brother that they cost him the presidency, but he called Mitchell, who reversed his denial of bond, immediately freeing King.
King's father switched his endorsement, saying Kennedy had "the moral courage to stand up for what's right. " That quote, and others, appeared in a blue-papered pamphlet titled "No Comment Nixon Versus a Candidate with a Heart, Senator Kennedy. " Unnoticed by the national media, Kennedy aides and King supporters distributed the pamphlet in black churches around the nation the Sunday before Election Day.
Blacks had voted 60-40 Republican just four years earlier; this time they voted 70-30 for the Democrat, providing more than enough for Kennedy to win the electoral college and the popular vote by a narrow 113,000 margin nationwide".There you go. Confirming it: Herd Mentality.
Mr Enternational
05-12-21, 22:47
Jobs not being created. Not Biden fault. Only solution Biden has is bigger government and give money to people who don't want to work and to give money to democratic states that have screwed up their state.There are tons of jobs available, but nobody wants to work when they are getting the free money. I was able to partake last year so I get it. Especially for the people who will make way more on unemployment than they would on the job.
Beijing4987
05-12-21, 23:18
Simpletons give simplistic answers for complex problems. Let's take on one issue at a time here. Are you looking for a white knight to solve thousands of years of conflict. Ronnie Ray Guns cut and ran from Lebanon when the 238 marines were bombed. O'Bummer drew a line in the sand in Syria. Fat Nixon ordered a withdrawal from Afghanistan. Bush the Younger treated the world to the weapon of mass distraction in Iraq. "Don't cry for me Colin Powell" Cadet Bone Spurs will end up a blip in history. A Zero. Next topic: immigration.
The four year nightmare has passed. No more messages sent from the White House Toilet at 3 am Too bad for all the impersonators and all those who died needlessly from Covid when the nation should have been prepared. This is what happens when a grifter and ignorant clown is elected. First elected, then ejected. Yes, China is a problem, but so is Putin. Good luck USA.You made a mistake on the timeline. The grifter and ignorant clown that was elected has only been in office 4 months not 4 years. Yes has has killed many with his Covid regulations. The 4 year nightmare just started and look where the 4 months have taken us. From prosperity to poverty. USA will need more than luck after Putin, China and Iran run over our clown president.
Just like Donnie got fired. Biden got more electoral votes than Donnie. 74+ million voted for him. 81+ million voted for Biden.
I'll bet Liz Cheney is also reelected. If so, your "bad job" comment will ring hollow.Just like Pennsylvania sent out 1. 4 million mail ballots and got 2. 5 Million votes back for Biden.
Can anyone on this forum name one thing that Biden changed from the Trump presidency that helped the American middle class prosper. ?
I can name several things that will punish the middle class with his policies.
John Clayton
05-13-21, 03:37
Can anyone on this forum name one thing that Biden changed from the Trump presidency that helped the American middle class prosper. ?
I can name several things that will punish the middle class with his policies.Changed out Steve Mnuchin for Janet Yellen.
Changed out Steve Mnuchin for Janet Yellen.I agree with you. He has done nothing.
Just like Pennsylvania sent out 1. 4 million mail ballots and got 2. 5 Million votes back for Biden.The Pennsylvania Department of State's site and a tally by the USA Elections Project show that over 2.6 million mail-ballots were returned by the deadline in Pennsylvania.
Election results as of Nov. 28 show that 1,995,691 mail-in ballots went to Biden; 595,538 mail-in ballots for Trump; and 24,783 mail-in ballots to Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen. That puts the total mail-in vote count at 2,616,012. Neither Biden's nor Trump's votes match the tallies in Mastriano's chart.
In a news release on Oct. 27, the deadline to apply for a mail or absentee ballot in the state, Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf's office said more than 3 million voters had applied to vote by mail.
The USA Elections Project reports that mail ballot request rates were 1,941,131 for Democrats; 784,851 for Republicans; 25,367 for a minor party; and 336,175 for independents, putting the total number requested at 3,087,524.
Beijing4987
05-13-21, 06:09
Nobody under oath of perjury claimed claimed election fraud. Not even Ghouliani, who sadly is financially challenged with no lifeline from the crime boss who stiffed him and many others. "People are saying there were irregularities" All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty back together again. The election in 2016 was rigged, as well as the 2020 election that proclaimed Sleepy Joe the winner. Hillary Clinton will take office on a date determined by Q. Stay tuned. As Zippy the Pinhead says "are we having fun now?" Zippy in 2024 !
Naked Gunz
05-13-21, 12:01
There are tons of jobs available, but nobody wants to work when they are getting the free money. I was able to partake last year so I get it. Especially for the people who will make way more on unemployment than they would on the job.Why are your examples only Black? The USA is a grand melting pot of many nationalities all taking hand outs.
There are tons of jobs available, but nobody wants to work when they are getting the free money. I was able to partake last year so I get it. Especially for the people who will make way more on unemployment than they would on the job.This is a Republican "talking point" and nothing more. In reality, a simplistic take on a complex situation.
One real statement is "There are jobs available but nobody wants to work for the wages I am willing to pay". That's closer to the truth. But even that statement doesn't take into account child care.
Most working families have kids. With schools closed, who teaches the kids? Who watches the kids? The parents. So in a two-worker household, 50% of the labor force can't work.
If you want to learn something, read this: https://theweek.com/articles/980877/doomsday-bad-bosses.
Can anyone on this forum name one thing that Biden changed from the Trump presidency that helped the American middle class prosper. ?
I can name several things that will punish the middle class with his policies.What has Biden changed?
He got rid of Donnie, his grifting family, the morons Donnie elevated to positions of power, and Donnie's 3 am. Rage-tweets while taking a crap. Americans no longer feel the need to turn on the news first thing in the morning to find out what moronic insult Donnie said over night.
These things alone will bring comfort to the middle class.
The Pennsylvania Department of State's site and a tally by the USA Elections Project show that over 2.6 million mail-ballots were returned by the deadline in Pennsylvania.
Election results as of Nov. 28 show that 1,995,691 mail-in ballots went to Biden; 595,538 mail-in ballots for Trump; and 24,783 mail-in ballots to Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen. That puts the total mail-in vote count at 2,616,012. Neither Biden's nor Trump's votes match the tallies in Mastriano's chart.
In a news release on Oct. 27, the deadline to apply for a mail or absentee ballot in the state, Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf's office said more than 3 million voters had applied to vote by mail.
The USA Elections Project reports that mail ballot request rates were 1,941,131 for Democrats; 784,851 for Republicans; 25,367 for a minor party; and 336,175 for independents, putting the total number requested at 3,087,524.Don't confuse him with facts. His mind is already made up.
Next he'll mention "massive data dumps" and how Donnie was leading at midnight but losing at 8:00 am. Never mind that virtually every news source (Fox, OANN, InfoWars, etc. Don't count because they aren't news) predicted a "red mirage". The "red mirage" occurs because absentee ballots were counted last in most instances AND because mail-in ballots broke overwhelmingly for Biden. So Donnie screwed himself with his "don't vote by mail" BS.
Can anyone on this forum name one thing that Biden changed from the Trump presidency that helped the American middle class prosper. ?
I can name several things that will punish the middle class with his policies.Trump had zero plans for distributing and administering the coronavirus vaccines. Maybe less than zero when you factor in that he denied the incoming Biden administration access and info during the transition in order to help the new and incoming rightful residence of the White House get a running start on it, which I would count as being counterproductive to the process even when it turned out there was no Trump plan or info to share. At least if Biden had known earlier that Trump had zippity-do-dah nothing in mind or in the works for how to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 Americans per day vaccinated ASAP, he would have started working on his highly effective plan sooner and from scratch.
Of course, if Trump HAD helped the 2020 election winner Biden during the transition that would have been him admitting he lost. And he couldn't do that and incite an insurrection against America and try to destroy American democracy based on his Big Lie that he is still the so-called potus all at the same time.
That was Job #1 for Biden when he took office. And he has done a superlative job of it. Nothing improves for the middle class or any other class until the Trump Pandemic comes to an end. And that begins with distributing and administering the vaccines Trump spent almost a year trying to convince anyone who would listen not to even bother developing because, you know, "It's a HOAX! There is one case out of China, 15 here and that will be near zero soon. This will disappear on its own without a vaccine. We've got this under control. There will be no coronovirus in the Fall," etc. etc. etc.
Trump had zero plans for distributing and administering the coronavirus vaccines. Maybe less than zero when you factor in that he denied the incoming Biden administration access and info during the transition in order to help the new and incoming rightful residence of the White House get a running start on it, which I would count as being counterproductive to the process even when it turned out there was no Trump plan or info to share. At least if Biden had known earlier that Trump had zippity-do-dah nothing in mind or in the works for how to get 2,000,000-3,000,000 Americans per day vaccinated ASAP, he would have started working on his highly effective plan sooner and from scratch.
Of course, if Trump HAD helped the 2020 election winner Biden during the transition that would have been him admitting he lost. And he couldn't do that and incite an insurrection against America and try to destroy American democracy based on his Big Lie that he is still the so-called potus all at the same time.
That was Job #1 for Biden when he took office. And he has done a superlative job of it. Nothing improves for the middle class or any other class until the Trump Pandemic comes to an end. And that begins with distributing and administering the vaccines Trump spent almost a year trying to convince anyone who would listen not to even bother developing because, you know, "It's a HOAX! There is one case out of China, 15 here and that will be near zero soon. This will disappear on its own without a vaccine. We've got this under control. There will be no coronovirus in the Fall," etc. etc. etc.Trump recognized in the first couple months the severity of the China virus and that is why he blocked all the flights from China and banned Chinese from entering USA. I am sure that you remember that Biden and the democrats called this racist and that the virus wasn't serious. Trump fast tracked the vaccines to get 2 vaccines after only 9 months by cutting the regulations and testing time. I am sure you remember Biden and the democrats saying this was reckless and that they wouldn't take the vaccines that Trump got approved. Biden and his staff were all vaccinated in December before Trump left office. If Biden was president during the Chinese virus we still wouldn't have a vaccine approved yet.
Their I can't be a smooth transition when a fool like Biden becomes president. His idea of leading is to cancel all Trump policies that made America great. Biden and his progressive socialists want to see America fail. Weakened by weak leaders. He basically told us that his first day. He said his staff would not be chosen on ability but by race. He has filled his cabinet with the most diverse unqualified cabinet in USA history. That is why we have a crises at the border, record inflation, instability in Middle East, cyber ransoms, weaker dollar, highest crime rate in decades, weaker energy policy. In 4 months he has destroyed the American Dream. If you aren't smart enough to see it you will suffer with all the other idiots who voted for him. And they are suffering at the pump, electric bills and grocery stores. There was no inflation with the Trump era but 4 months of Biden inflation is at its highest rate since 2010. Yes you guessed it Obama era.
Mr Enternational
05-13-21, 22:42
Why are your examples only Black? The USA is a grand melting pot of many nationalities all taking hand outs.Huh? I said nothing about Black. I said "nobody" and "people. " Where did you get that I said Black from? Oh you mean the memes? Because those are memes that are already in my phone that I thought about. I am Black American and a lot of my friends are Black, so we pretty much make memes from familiar things of our culture. Most Black people are familiar with Pookie and Nino Brown from New Jack City where the first meme is from, and Senator Clay Davis from The Wire where the second meme is from. Maybe if we were Japanese then we would make more memes from Japanese culture and those would be in my phone.
What has Biden changed?
He got rid of Donnie, his grifting family, the morons Donnie elevated to positions of power, and Donnie's 3 am. Rage-tweets while taking a crap. Americans no longer feel the need to turn on the news first thing in the morning to find out what moronic insult Donnie said over night.
These things alone will bring comfort to the middle class.It may bring comfort to the middle class but Biden is bringing poverty to the middle class. I am sure everyone agree that dope addiction Hunter Biden is a better influence to kids than Don Jr.
Like in my previous post not one person can name one thing that Biden did to help lower income and middle class families where everyone can name several Trump accomplishments for these groups. Sad isn't it?
This is a Republican "talking point" and nothing more. In reality, a simplistic take on a complex situation.
One real statement is "There are jobs available but nobody wants to work for the wages I am willing to pay". That's closer to the truth. But even that statement doesn't take into account child care.
Most working families have kids. With schools closed, who teaches the kids? Who watches the kids? The parents. So in a two-worker household, 50% of the labor force can't work.
If you want to learn something, read this: https://theweek.com/articles/980877/doomsday-bad-bosses.If Trump was president all kids would be in school. People would be working again like before the pandemic. Biden solution is give people free stuff. Biden reinstalled all the regulations Trump got rid of so small business and large business were more profitable. With all the new regulations in Biden administration there is less money for wages. Blame Biden for wages going down.
Mr Enternational
05-13-21, 23:06
This is a Republican "talking point" and nothing more. In reality, a simplistic take on a complex situation.
One real statement is "There are jobs available but nobody wants to work for the wages I am willing to pay". That's closer to the truth. But even that statement doesn't take into account child care.
Most working families have kids. With schools closed, who teaches the kids? Who watches the kids? The parents. So in a two-worker household, 50% of the labor force can't work.
If you want to learn something, read this: https://theweek.com/articles/980877/doomsday-bad-bosses.You are joking right? What do you suppose they do with the same kids in the summer, or when they are on spring break or winter break? There was no worker shortage with people saying "nobody wants to work for the wages I am willing to pay" before there was free money to be had from both Republican Trump and Democrat Biden.
I can say for a fact that I was getting $1100 per week on unemployment last year. Hence my meme that if a mf is giving money away then I have no problems taking it. Same as these mongers justifying giving money to chicks that are not hookers so they will not feel bad. They say well none of them ever turn it down, so they really need it. Who the hell turns down free money to begin with? My best friend is rich, but if I went over to his house and handed him $100 he would say thanks dude.
If I worked a job for even the $15 per hour that Biden thinks everybody deserves, at 40 hours per week, I would be earning $600 per week. Hmmm. $1100 per week for sitting home or doing whatever the fuck I want or $600 per week to go work my ass off everyday. If you know basic mathematics, then this would be the perfect time to do it.
P.S. When I didn't want to work for the wages that someone was willing to pay me, then I went to school to get skills to make myself marketable in order to be able to command a certain wage. Why the fuck should someone that dropped out of high school that is working on fries at the fast food place and layed up having a bunch of kids life be made easier on GP?
Trump recognized in the first couple months the severity of the China virus.Talk about forgetting details! Yes, he knew about the severity of the virus, then turned around and intentionally lied to the American people about it. Remember that little interview with Bob Woodard? Yes, he lied to the American people, then refused to do and support the right things, like wearing masks and social distancing. He didn't want people like Dr. Fauci to shoot straight with the American people, and would have fired the esteemed doctor if he felt he could get away with it. Trump showed no respect for science, and incredibly suggested that people ingest bleach to defeat the virus. Trump refused to model the appropriate behaviors and ended up getting coronavirus himself LOL! Remember that detail? Not only that, but the virus was running rampant throughout the White House with one person after another getting it! When the vaccines started to come onto the scene, the Trump administration had zero plans for how to work with the states to effectively roll the vaccines out. That took the focus and dedication of the Biden administration to do that which, as has been previously noted, was seriously hampered by the Trump administration's refusal to facilitate a peaceful and orderly transition of power from one administration to the next, which is something that had happened in the United States for 100's of years, quite often between administrations with very different ideas of how to best meet America's interests at home and abroad. If you claim that the details have been missed, then you need to make sure that you include all of them yourself as well. There's plenty of more that could be highlighted that you missed, but that's enough political speech for me for tonight.
If Trump was president all kids would be in school. People would be working again like before the pandemic. Biden solution is give people free stuff. Biden reinstalled all the regulations Trump got rid of so small business and large business were more profitable. With all the new regulations in Biden administration there is less money for wages. Blame Biden for wages going down.If Donnie were still president, we'd have close to a million Americans dead from COVID. Yippee.
You are joking right? What do you suppose they do with the same kids in the summer, or when they are on spring break or winter break? There was no worker shortage with people saying "nobody wants to work for the wages I am willing to pay" before there was free money to be had from both Republican Trump and Democrat Biden.
I can say for a fact that I was getting $1100 per week on unemployment last year. Hence my meme that if a mf is giving money away then I have no problems taking it. Same as these mongers justifying giving money to chicks that are not hookers so they will not feel bad. They say well none of them ever turn it down, so they really need it. Who the hell turns down free money to begin with? My best friend is rich, but if I went over to his house and handed him $100 he would say thanks dude.
If I worked a job for even the $15 per hour that Biden thinks everybody deserves, at 40 hours per week, I would be earning $600 per week. Hmmm. $1100 per week for sitting home or doing whatever the fuck I want or $600 per week to go work my ass off everyday. If you know basic mathematics, then this would be the perfect time to do it.
P.S. When I didn't want to work for the wages that someone was willing to pay me, then I went to school to get skills to make myself marketable in order to be able to command a certain wage. Why the fuck should someone that dropped out of high school that is working on fries at the fast food place and layed up having a bunch of kids life be made easier on GP?Obviously you don't know that families PLAN for breaks, summer, etc. It is sometimes tough BUT that's far different from this situation. Unless, of course, you can afford fulltime help.
And nobody earns $1100/ week on unemployment. Florida's max is $275 which means less than $600/ week.
But your mind is already made up so nothing I say will change it.
Trump recognized in the first couple months the severity of the China virus and that is why he blocked all the flights from China and banned Chinese from entering USA. I am sure that you remember that Biden and the democrats called this racist and that the virus wasn't serious. Trump fast tracked the vaccines to get 2 vaccines after only 9 months by cutting the regulations and testing time. I am sure you remember Biden and the democrats saying this was reckless and that they wouldn't take the vaccines that Trump got approved. Biden and his staff were all vaccinated in December before Trump left office. If Biden was president during the Chinese virus we still wouldn't have a vaccine approved yet.
Their I can't be a smooth transition when a fool like Biden becomes president. His idea of leading is to cancel all Trump policies that made America great. Biden and his progressive socialists want to see America fail. Weakened by weak leaders. He basically told us that his first day. He said his staff would not be chosen on ability but by race. He has filled his cabinet with the most diverse unqualified cabinet in USA history. That is why we have a crises at the border, record inflation, instability in Middle East, cyber ransoms, weaker dollar, highest crime rate in decades, weaker energy policy. In 4 months he has destroyed the American Dream. If you aren't smart enough to see it you will suffer with all the other idiots who voted for him. And they are suffering at the pump, electric bills and grocery stores. There was no inflation with the Trump era but 4 months of Biden inflation is at its highest rate since 2010. Yes you guessed it Obama era."Trump recognized in the first couple months the severity of the china virus" . And lied to the American people about it not being serious for a year.
". Blocked all the flights from china and banned Chinese from entering USA. " the virus was already here when he did that so he closed the barn door after the horses escaped. Plus, he didn't ban Americans from returning and everybody knows that the virus is smart enough to read a passport.
"Trump fast tracked the vaccines ". And now lots of trump supporters won't take the vaccine because they're scared of it. So Donnie obviously developed a faulty vaccine.
Dr. Birx said that 100,000 COVID deaths couldn't have been avoided so Donnie is 100% responsible for 450,000. And he will be responsible for most of the rest, too, because of his idiotic politicizing of masks, the CDC, etc. Donnie's dumbass policies did this, not Biden.
If Donnie were still president, we'd have close to a million Americans dead from COVID. Yippee.He fast tracked the vaccines in 9 months which would have taken Biden 2 to 3 years. So if Biden was president we would have had 20,000,000 deaths before he got the vaccine. Trump would have had 90% of the people vaccinated already Trump got things done. Biden didn't. Trump got the vaccines in record time. The drug companies produced the vaccine in record numbers. Biden did nothing. Biden is just taken credit for Trump success with the vaccine. Biden in 4 months has done nothing but reverse the Trump successes. Biden has no successes yet and will not have any in 2021. His only achievement will be to get rid of the title of worst VP ever. Harris will assume that title. He will get the title of worst president ever that Obama is holding. The winner is Obama. He no longer is worst president ever.
"Trump fast tracked the vaccines ". And now lots of trump supporters won't take the vaccine because they're scared of it. So Donnie obviously developed a faulty vaccine.
The truth of the matter is that Trump didn't do much of anything. That's why the companies waited until the election was over and he had lost to make their big announcements about how much success they enjoyed in developing the vaccines. So that Trump couldn't take all of the credit for himself, and try to leverage that to win the election. Pfizer and Moderna held out on him until after the election was over LOLOLOL! To the victor (Joe Biden) goes the spoils!
Mr Enternational
05-14-21, 01:44
And nobody earns $1100/ week on unemployment. Florida's max is $275 which means less than $600/ week.
But your mind is already made up so nothing I say will change it.Okay. Now we see you are just here to troll. Yeah nobody gets that. Nevermind I put up my payment history from the department of labor and it says it in plain English. Nevermind the federal government was giving out $600 per week in addition to what the state was paying (it has since been lowered to $300). Not everybody lives in Florida, so yes there were people getting $1100 per week AND EVEN MORE (as much as $1834 in Massachusetts) depending on what state they drew unemployment in, regardless of what you think you know. But I guess your mind is already made up and facts can not change it.
"Millions of Americans are getting a big cut in their unemployment checks after the expiration of a policy that offered an extra $600 a week in aid. The weekly $600 federal supplement to unemployment benefits, part of a federal coronavirus relief law enacted in March, came on top of the typical aid that states pay."
Here is a chart for you troll:
https://savingtoinvest.com/maximum-weekly-unemployment-benefits-by-state/
Okay. Now we see you are just here to troll. Yeah nobody gets that. Nevermind I put up my payment history from the department of labor and it says it in plain English. Nevermind the federal government was giving out $600 per week in addition to what the state was paying (it has since been lowered to $300). Not everybody lives in Florida, so yes there were people getting $1100 per week AND EVEN MORE (as much as $1834 in Massachusetts) depending on what state they drew unemployment in, regardless of what you think you know. But I guess your mind is already made up and facts can not change it.
"Millions of Americans are getting a big cut in their unemployment checks after the expiration of a policy that offered an extra $600 a week in aid. The weekly $600 federal supplement to unemployment benefits, part of a federal coronavirus relief law enacted in March, came on top of the typical aid that states pay."
Here is a chart for you troll:
https://savingtoinvest.com/maximum-weekly-unemployment-benefits-by-state/In fairness, only 4 states have max more than $700 a week. 5 others -- between $600-700. And surprisingly to me, those states don't include NY and California. Very few people enjoy the kind of windfalls you're describing.
The truth of the matter is that Trump didn't do much of anything. That's why the companies waited until the election was over and he had lost to make their big announcements about how much success they enjoyed in developing the vaccines. So that Trump couldn't take all of the credit for himself, and try to leverage that to win the election. Pfizer and Moderna held out on him until after the election was over LOLOLOL! To the victor (Joe Biden) goes the spoils!You are right. Trump had the vaccines all ready to go before the election but the drug companies held them back so that Biden would win and get the credit. A big win for Biden cost thousands of lives in October to January. Just think how many people were killed to get Biden elected. You must feel good about that. We would all be vaccinated now if we would have started in September and the USA would be back to normal. Biden can take credit for these lost livesr.
Trump recognized in the first couple months the severity of the China virus and that is why he blocked all the flights from China and banned Chinese from entering USA. I am sure that you remember that Biden and the democrats called this racist and that the virus wasn't serious. Trump fast tracked the vaccines to get 2 vaccines after only 9 months by cutting the regulations and testing time. I am sure you remember Biden and the democrats saying this was reckless and that they wouldn't take the vaccines that Trump got approved. Biden and his staff were all vaccinated in December before Trump left office. If Biden was president during the Chinese virus we still wouldn't have a vaccine approved yet.
Their I can't be a smooth transition when a fool like Biden becomes president. His idea of leading is to cancel all Trump policies that made America great. Biden and his progressive socialists want to see America fail. Weakened by weak leaders. He basically told us that his first day. He said his staff would not be chosen on ability but by race. He has filled his cabinet with the most diverse unqualified cabinet in USA history. That is why we have a crises at the border, record inflation, instability in Middle East, cyber ransoms, weaker dollar, highest crime rate in decades, weaker energy policy. In 4 months he has destroyed the American Dream. If you aren't smart enough to see it you will suffer with all the other idiots who voted for him. And they are suffering at the pump, electric bills and grocery stores. There was no inflation with the Trump era but 4 months of Biden inflation is at its highest rate since 2010. Yes you guessed it Obama era.Total hogwash. Trump never banned all flights from China and Biden never called him racist for it. The internet is full of Fact Checks debunking that crap, bolstered by all necessary links and data.
Trump spent the first months of the known spread of the virus in the USA, after he had been briefed and convinced by the intel of the truth about how it was easily transmitted in the air, how quickly it moved from human to human and how deadly it was, lying in perfect sync with Xi about it to the world and mocking mitigation efforts he already knew were the exact right things to do.
His voice is on Woodward's tapes admitting it.
That is why I will forever recognize this pandemic as Trump's Pandemic. He wasn't responsible for originating the virus and ignoring it until it became endemic in the Wuhan area of China. But he is 100% responsible for having defunded the CDC and crippling the Pandemic Prevention systems in 2018 whose job it was to monitor and prevent endemics like this one was when he was told about it from spreading.
Then he decided to become 100% responsible for being the so-called potus the world had tended in the past to believe would not lie about what China or other bad actor countries might want him to lie about and put all economies and lives on the planet at risk for fear of rocking the boat on some piddling lame ass failed trade negotiation going on at the moment.
But that is exactly what Trump did.
Vaccines to fight coronaviruses had been researched and developed for years before this one cropped up. The lady who spearheaded the Moderna vaccine cited her research and efforts on developing it going back to the Obama presidency. Nobody worked harder to discourage everyone on Earth from bothering to spend the time or money to develope and produce a vaccine specifically for Covid-19 while also promoting and defending doing absolutely nothing to mitigate its spread into the Pandemic it became than Donald J. Trump.
He gave the effort that was already happening despite him a name, "branded" it, after it was clear the world needed it thanks so much to his lying and cowardice; Operation Warp Speed. That's it. And not even a very good brand name.
Meanwhile, the vaccine developers judiciously delayed a few announcements of success until it was clear Biden would be more involved in the distribution and administering of their product than Trump no doubt because they knew if they handed that challenge and opportunity to Trump he'd just fuck it up like everything else he was handed in life.
Total hogwash. Trump never banned all flights from China and Biden never called him racist for it. The internet is full of Fact Checks debunking that crap, bolstered by all necessary links and data.
Trump spent the first months of the known spread of the virus in the USA, after he had been briefed and convinced by the intel of the truth about how it was easily transmitted in the air, how quickly it moved from human to human and how deadly it was, lying in perfect sync with Xi about it to the world and mocking mitigation efforts he already knew were the exact right things to do.
His voice is on Woodward's tapes admitting it.
That is why I will forever recognize this pandemic as Trump's Pandemic. He wasn't responsible for originating the virus and ignoring it until it became endemic in the Wuhan area of China. But he is 100% responsible for having defunded the CDC and crippling the Pandemic Prevention systems in 2018 whose job it was to monitor and prevent endemics like this one was when he was told about it from spreading.
Then he decided to become 100% responsible for being the so-called potus the world had tended in the past to believe would not lie about what China or other bad actor countries might want him to lie about and put all economies and lives on the planet at risk for fear of rocking the boat on some piddling lame ass failed trade negotiation going on at the moment..Total lies. CNN and MSNBC both had Biden on their news and Biden said it to 300,000,000 people. Easy to google that Trump stopped the Chinese from entering USA after Covid was identified. Every local news station picked it up.
Reading all the posts here from both republicans and democrats makes it easy to see that the first 4 months of Biden presidency has been a disaster. The democrats try to sugar coat his failures by blaming Trump for making America great. There hasn't been one positive comment about a Biden accomplishment because there are none. He is a disgrace and he is making Trump look better every day to even the democrats. Biden has already lowered everyone standard of living with record inflation and rising gas, groceries, lumber, energy and housing. He treats everyone equal. We all suffer from his mistakes.
Total hogwash. Trump never banned all flights from China and Biden never called him racist for it. The internet is full of Fact Checks debunking that crap, bolstered by all necessary links and data.
Trump spent the first months of the known spread of the virus in the USA, after he had been briefed and convinced by the intel of the truth about how it was easily transmitted in the air, how quickly it moved from human to human and how deadly it was, lying in perfect sync with Xi about it to the world and mocking mitigation efforts he already knew were the exact right things to do.
His voice is on Woodward's tapes admitting it.
That is why I will forever recognize this pandemic as Trump's Pandemic. He wasn't responsible for originating the virus and ignoring it until it became endemic in the Wuhan area of China. But he is 100% responsible for having defunded the CDC and crippling the Pandemic Prevention systems in 2018 whose job it was to monitor and prevent endemics like this one was when he was told about it from spreading.
Then he decided to become 100% responsible for being the so-called potus the world had tended in the past to believe would not lie about what China or other bad actor countries might want him to lie about and put all economies and lives on the planet at risk for fear of rocking the boat on some piddling lame ass failed trade negotiation going on at the moment.
But that is exactly what Trump did..Here is the link from NYtimes. It was in all the newspapers and news stations. Trump banned entry from foreign nationals from China forcing the airlines to cancel almost all China flights. This was January 2020 before the democrats even claimed Covid was dangerous. Democrats still to this day refuse to acknowledge that it started in China.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/business/china-travel-coronavirus.html
Amazing that Trump did this when the new president condemned him for this. How many lives did this save? How many more would have died if the democrats could have blocked him on this like they tried to?
Vagabundo1
05-14-21, 05:52
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He fast tracked the vaccines in 9 months which would have taken Biden 2 to 3 years. So if Biden was president we would have had 20,000,000 deaths before he got the vaccine. Trump would have had 90% of the people vaccinated already Trump got things done. Biden didn't. Trump got the vaccines in record time. The drug companies produced the vaccine in record numbers. Biden did nothing. Biden is just taken credit for Trump success with the vaccine. Biden in 4 months has done nothing but reverse the Trump successes. Biden has no successes yet and will not have any in 2021. His only achievement will be to get rid of the title of worst VP ever. Harris will assume that title. He will get the title of worst president ever that Obama is holding. The winner is Obama. He no longer is worst president ever.Any idiot could have (and did) fast tracked the vaccine. You have no idea what Biden would have done.
The only salient point is that 70% of trump supporters have said they won't get vaccinated because they're afraid that the vaccine isn't safe. In other words, they think Donnie developed a bad vaccine.
Here is the link from NYtimes. It was in all the newspapers and news stations. Trump banned entry from foreign nationals from China forcing the airlines to cancel almost all China flights. This was January 2020 before the democrats even claimed Covid was dangerous. Democrats still to this day refuse to acknowledge that it started in China.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/business/china-travel-coronavirus.html
Amazing that Trump did this when the new president condemned him for this. How many lives did this save? How many more would have died if the democrats could have blocked him on this like they tried to?So what if Donnie banned Chinese foreign nationals. The virus has no idea who it infects. The virus isn't smart enough to read a passport. So Donnie let in plenty of people from China (Americans, Chinese with American passports, etc.). {I separated the first two because you probably don't believe that anyone with a US passport is an American} And Donnie didn't force anyone returning to quarantine. So Donnie let in plenty of COVID.
But all that is immaterial because the virus was already here. That's what no trump supporter will admit. When Donnie issued his questionably effective "travel ban", the virus was already grabbing a foothold in Washington State.
Total lies. CNN and MSNBC both had Biden on their news and Biden said it to 300,000,000 people. Easy to google that Trump stopped the Chinese from entering USA after Covid was identified. Every local news station picked it up.Why do you constantly post stuff that is demonstrably false and can be disproven with a 10-second internet search? https://www.statesman.com/news/20200330/fact-check-did-biden-call-trump-lsquoxenophobicrsquo-for-china-travel-restrictions.
But, in reality, who cares? Donnie lost and his 74 million supporters can all cry in their beer and ask that we spare their feelings. What a bunch of snowflakes.
Why do you constantly post stuff that is demonstrably false and can be disproven with a 10-second internet search? https://www.statesman.com/news/20200330/fact-check-did-biden-call-trump-lsquoxenophobicrsquo-for-china-travel-restrictions.
But, in reality, who cares? Donnie lost and his 74 million supporters can all cry in their beer and ask that we spare their feelings. What a bunch of snowflakes.Liberal fact checking at its nest. Every news outlet in the USA had Trump banning Chinese nationals in January 2020 and one Liberal fact checker twists the words so socialists can say it never happened. You are a joke. It explains who you are.
Biden is in damage control now totally screwing up the USA and you are still blaming Trump for everything. Where is the hate for Biden for what he is doing to the American people. If Trump had done 10% of what Biden did they would be talking impeachment.
Why are you anti American. What country are you from?
So what if Donnie banned Chinese foreign nationals. The virus has no idea who it infects. The virus isn't smart enough to read a passport. So Donnie let in plenty of people from China (Americans, Chinese with American passports, etc.). {I separated the first two because you probably don't believe that anyone with a US passport is an American} And Donnie didn't force anyone returning to quarantine. So Donnie let in plenty of COVID.
But all that is immaterial because the virus was already here. That's what no trump supporter will admit. When Donnie issued his questionably effective "travel ban", the virus was already grabbing a foothold in Washington State.Yes I see now that you admit Trump banned Chines from entering after the virus hit Washington. All flights from China to Seattle were stopped from China to slow the virus. And yes Trump allowed Chines with Americans to return to USA and made them quarantine much the same as Americans that were traveling in Asia on cruise ships. He did this to save lives even though he was being bashed by democrats CNN and NSNBC. The virus was in USA because it was brought in previously from China. Where it started. Every country in the world got the virus from China. Every Republican will admit that China had already brought the virus in when Trump did this.
Here is the link from NYtimes. It was in all the newspapers and news stations. Trump banned entry from foreign nationals from China forcing the airlines to cancel almost all China flights. This was January 2020 before the democrats even claimed Covid was dangerous. Democrats still to this day refuse to acknowledge that it started in China.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/business/china-travel-coronavirus.html
Amazing that Trump did this when the new president condemned him for this. How many lives did this save? How many more would have died if the democrats could have blocked him on this like they tried to?Thanks for the link proving you wrong.
It says "temporary" "restrictions" of "most" and "some".
No where does it say that Trump "blocked all the flights from China and banned Chinese from entering USA. I am sure that" or anything remotely like it.
Now post a link proving that Biden never called Trump a racist for his "temporary restriction of most flights out of China and requiring a quarantine of some passengers on those flights", please.
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