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John Clayton
07-06-21, 04:47
...They've amassed huge personal fortunes. And there're still billions to be made in lying. ...I kick myself for not getting some of that money. Twelve years ago, with the rise of the Tea Party, I had the insight that we should start a 501 (c)(3) "Real Americans for Patriotism Tomorrow" or something. Just a webpage, "Send Obama back to Kenya", "If you WANT the US to get out of North America in 2012, send $39 to RAPTomorrowToday.com, etc etc. Of course, 90% of the receipts would go to administrative costs (me), 10% on amygdala stimulating web ads. Perfectly legal and perfectly easy. I mean, I don't need the money, but there is something really appealing to me about getting money by doing nothing. Especially, by tricking these gullible fools. It's still not too late. Indeed, billions are still being stripped from the American Kook Klass.

The republican party really has devolved into a know nothing / anti science party -- a party of the credulous. Why? I think it is largely correlated with religious belief. Once you have allocated a portion of your brain for the belief that there is an invisible Ghost living in the Sky, who listens to your prayers and who controls everything, then you simply can believe anything. That's why the republicans have become such perfect marks for a skilled grifter like Trump. He has looted hundreds of millions from them since the election, and just used it for himself-- yet there is more. His minions have an infinite capacity to believe.

EihTooms
07-06-21, 05:25
Rush, Tucker, Hannity, Alex Johns and other ultra-right pundits have actually accomplished a lot. They've amassed huge personal fortunes.

And there're still billions to be made in lying. Rupert Murdoch infamously said that if there had been as much money in liberal punditry, he would've switched in a second.

I don't know why it is the way it is. Maybe because liberals tend to doubt everything, whatever the source. The conservatives, especially the ultras, tend to eat any garbage with gusto, as long as it conforms to their existing worldviews.

Can you imagine liberal Qanon? Liberals would've been the first to laugh it out of existence.

And the funniest part is, after every bite they lick their lips and call us sheep, LOL.It goes back to at least Reagan. He conflated Dems with Liberals and then proceeded to demonize "libs" so effectively in the mind of voters already open to voting for Repubs his VP successor in the White House actually resorted to calling the ideology "the L word."

And once you have demonized the one political Party that produces and presides over every significant economic recovery, expansion, USA jobs creation, stock and housing market gain, etc and none of the Crashes going back as far as legitimate data exists for such things, it is easy to get hysterical suckers to vote for or choose ANYTHING, even the most damaging economic and national security results for themselves, their friends, family and country, in order to avoid being perceived as a member of that mis-aligned and demonized group.

Republican-voting suckers actually caught and died from Covid-19 after refusing to wear a mask for fear that they would be taken for a "Democrat"/"lib" for doing so.

John Clayton
07-06-21, 05:51
...Republican-voting suckers actually caught and died from Covid-19 after refusing to wear a mask for fear that they would be taken for a "Democrat"/"lib" for doing so.Kind of wishing it was a little more deadly.

PVMonger
07-06-21, 13:50
Amazingly, this is actually not a bad post. The only thing you missed out is that the democrats will attempt another fraud in their corrupt shthole cities, and they will claim the "win" through this (let's be honest, there's no way Kamala "Heels Up" Harris could win an honest election: she simply doesn't have time to blow the necessary ten million voters).

The Republican Party will have been de-RINO'd by then, courtesy of primary challengers, and with their spines stiffened by the threat of losing their seats plus four more years of inoculation against the fake news media, will refuse to surrender weakly as they did last time.

This will hopefully begin moves toward secession. Heartland heritage Americans have nothing in common with Salvadoran MS-13 anchor babies or SSRI-crazed barren bluehair feminist socialist fatties. Let them have their country and we will have ours.160-some-odd years ago, a bunch of racists tried the same thing. How'd that work out?

PVMonger
07-06-21, 16:32
Kind of wishing it was a little more deadly.Some quick math is in order.

1. 60% of voting age people voted in 2020 (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/01/28/turnout-soared-in-2020-as-nearly-two-thirds-of-eligible-u-s-voters-cast-ballots-for-president/).

2. That means that there are approximately 264 million voting age people in the US. (see above).

3. Approximately 25% of voters identity as RepubliKKKan (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/fewer-americans-identify-as-republican-in-2021-gallup.html).

4. That means a universe of about 66 million RepubliKKKan voters.

5. About 40% of RepubliKKKans won't get vaccinated (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/as-more-americans-get-vaccinated-41-of-republicans-still-refuse-covid-19-shots).

6. Therefore, about 26 million RepubliKKKans won't get vaccinated.

7. Assuming that the 2% death rate holds true, that means about half-a-million fewer RepubliKKKan voters in 2022.

EihTooms
07-06-21, 17:04
Kind of wishing it was a little more deadly.If it had been 10 times more deadly the suckers who bought into the decades long Repub demonization of "Democrat"/"libs" and how the Social Issues For Suckers were supposedly ruining America and their lives would still have refused to wear a mask to save their lives or the lives of their family and friends so as not to be perceived, even by themselves, of being one of them.

So it's a snap to get them to vote for the next Great Repub Crash, Depression, Recession and Disaster and the next one, the one after that and on and on, totally against their own economic and national security interests, election after election.

PVMonger
07-06-21, 17:21
I was wondering what the anti American, anthem kneeling and flag burning democrats did on 4th of July since they can't honor or respect USA and this great country. Maybe PV monger and his buddies can tell us how their flag burning went last weekend.Sorry to disappoint you but flag burning is constitutionally protected free speech. https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/free-speech-flag-burning_1.pdf.

Why are you against the First Amendment?

John Clayton
07-06-21, 17:47
If it had been 10 times more deadly ...Yeah, still not deadly enough -- wuz thinking more like a 30% mortality.

Canada
07-06-21, 18:41
Sorry to disappoint you but flag burning is constitutionally protected free speech. https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/free-speech-flag-burning_1.pdf.

Why are you against the First Amendment?I am against burning the flag and anti Americans like you. (possibly you are not American and that is why you hate America). Burning the flag, kneeling for the National Anthem really brings unity to a country. You like the rest of the anti America socialists are a disgrace. There is not another country in the world that you would be welcome.

Canada
07-06-21, 18:51
I kick myself for not getting some of that money. Twelve years ago, with the rise of the Tea Party, I had the insight that we should start a 501 (c)(3) "Real Americans for Patriotism Tomorrow" or something. Just a webpage, "Send Obama back to Kenya", "If you WANT the US to get out of North America in 2012, send $39 to RAPTomorrowToday.com, etc etc. Of course, 90% of the receipts would go to administrative costs (me), 10% on amygdala stimulating web ads. Perfectly legal and perfectly easy. I mean, I don't need the money, but there is something really appealing to me about getting money by doing nothing. Especially, by tricking these gullible fools. It's still not too late. Indeed, billions are still being stripped from the American Kook Klass.

The republican party really has devolved into a know nothing / anti science party -- a party of the credulous. Why? I think it is largely correlated with religious belief. Once you have allocated a portion of your brain for the belief that there is an invisible Ghost living in the Sky, who listens to your prayers and who controls everything, then you simply can believe anything. That's why the republicans have become such perfect marks for a skilled grifter like Trump. He has looted hundreds of millions from them since the election, and just used it for himself-- yet there is more. His minions have an infinite capacity to believe.You didn't get any of the sucker money over the past 2 years either. Democratic suckers paid $27,000,000 to George Floyd family because George Floyd the lifelong criminal didn't support his family before his death. Democratic suckers gave $90,000,000 to Black Lives matter who's founder retired this year with 4 new houses and millions of dollars. Yes amazing they did trick those gullible democrat fools. And these gullible fools are still getting suckered.

Canada
07-06-21, 18:56
Some quick math is in order.

1. 60% of voting age people voted in 2020 (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/01/28/turnout-soared-in-2020-as-nearly-two-thirds-of-eligible-u-s-voters-cast-ballots-for-president/).

2. That means that there are approximately 264 million voting age people in the US. (see above).

3. Approximately 25% of voters identity as RepubliKKKan (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/fewer-americans-identify-as-republican-in-2021-gallup.html).

4. That means a universe of about 66 million RepubliKKKan voters.

5. About 40% of RepubliKKKans won't get vaccinated (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/as-more-americans-get-vaccinated-41-of-republicans-still-refuse-covid-19-shots).

6. Therefore, about 26 million RepubliKKKans won't get vaccinated.

7. Assuming that the 2% death rate holds true, that means about half-a-million fewer RepubliKKKan voters in 2022.You forgot the 60% of the 30,000,000 illegals who voted Biden. You also forgot the 170,000 dead people who voted for Biden. Are you saying the Republicans who die from Covid won't be able to vote next year? The democrats are still trying to oppose election reform so that the democrats who die from Covid this year can still vote next year.

GDreams
07-06-21, 21:52
Sorry to disappoint you but flag burning is constitutionally protected free speech. https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/free-speech-flag-burning_1.pdf.

Why are you against the First Amendment?Since when do fascists like freedom. Fascists wants a police state. They want the homeless sent to the gas chamber along with blacks and other people not quite white enough. They want military parades and endless wars to keep the poor busy and maximise their profits, The don't want free press to shine a light on their criminal enterprises, they admire Putin and how he run Russia, just like Don the crime does.

Chris P
07-06-21, 21:55
Yeah, still not deadly enough -- wuz thinking more like a 30% mortality.If Fauci came out tomorrow and declared 30% mortality, most democrat voters would believe him and barricade their doors, starving to death.

Hmm, anyone good at deepfakes?

GDreams
07-06-21, 21:57
You forgot the 60% of the 30,000,000 illegals who voted Biden. You also forgot the 170,000 dead people who voted for Biden. Are you saying the Republicans who die from Covid won't be able to vote next year? The democrats are still trying to oppose election reform so that the democrats who die from Covid this year can still vote next year.Show one reliable source for these numbers? According to all the fruitcakes here there were 11 m illegals in total in the country (including children). How did Don the crime miss all these illegals in the great ICE cleanout. Why do you think Kolbach lost all credibility. He was given the chance to find the 3 m illegals that were supposed to have voted in 2016 and could not find any of them. Why because there were none. But that does not bother Mr Make up the Facts Canada.

Chris P
07-06-21, 22:02
160-some-odd years ago, a bunch of racists...Lincoln wanted to ship the blacks back to Africa. His quote: "I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races. I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. "

You probably didn't know that, as you no doubt learn your history from Hollywood movies.

GDreams
07-06-21, 22:03
160-some-odd years ago, a bunch of racists tried the same thing. How'd that work out?Don't try to dissuade them. After finding out how much worse life will be they will run back with their tails between their legs. Imagine noone to subsidise the farmers, no money to pay for the Military, having to compete with the rest of the world to supply the markets with the money (The Democrat states). Build a big wall around them and let them stew in they lie infested swamp.

Chris P
07-06-21, 22:04
Assuming that the 2% death rate holds trueLOL. Try 0.1%. Average age of death 86, with multiple comorbidities.

Paulie97
07-06-21, 22:09
160-some-odd years ago, a bunch of racists tried the same thing. How'd that work out?Though they thought they were, this MAGA crowd isn't the majority, thus all the desperation fueled bitterness from guys like Chris. They of course are welcome to leave but won't be getting their own separate country here on American soil.

P.S. We shouldn't be surprised by the presence of such characters here. Angry bigots get horny too.

Chris P
07-06-21, 22:13
LOL. Trump in one of rallies asked Putin directly for help. Get Hillarys emails! Don Jnr met with a Russian operative to get dirt on Hillary. Papadopolus bragged to the Australian Foreign Minister that Trump was receiving help from the Russians. Classic fake news. The rally comment was about somebody trying to find Clinton's emails that she had illegally kept on a private server and then deleted. The fact that she was not charged for that crime opened the eyes of millions to the fact that America no longer has a justice system in which nobody is above the law. Just like the Kims in North Korea and the kings in medieval Europe, there now exists a ruling class which can do whatever it wants. For now.

Don Jr's meeting: someone said they had opposition research. Every political campaign in history would want to check it out. Don Jr made the mistake of going himself rather than just sending an aide: he stayed for a few minutes and when it was clear the woman was full of sht he got up and left. What's really funny is fake news shtlibs trying to attack Don Jr given Hunter's open corruption, criminality and debauched lifestyle funded by his father when he was VP.

Finally, the Papadopoulos thing was a clinical sting by the anti-Trump intelligence agencies. He was a low-level guy who had no access to anything, so the deep state targeted him and buttered him up to create a pretext for their fake investigation.

PVMonger
07-06-21, 22:52
I am against burning the flag and anti Americans like you. (possibly you are not American and that is why you hate America). Burning the flag, kneeling for the National Anthem really brings unity to a country. You like the rest of the anti America socialists are a disgrace. There is not another country in the world that you would be welcome.By your own admission, you do not believe in the First Amendment. Why? Do you really hate America that much to piss all over the 1st Amendment?

Why do you think that the authors of the Constitution put Freedom of Speech at the top of the list of Amendments? But you fascists think that "freedom of speech" only belongs to fascists.

Why do you hate America?

PVMonger
07-06-21, 22:58
Don't try to dissuade them. After finding out how much worse life will be they will run back with their tails between their legs. Imagine noone to subsidise the farmers, no money to pay for the Military, having to compete with the rest of the world to supply the markets with the money (The Democrat states). Build a big wall around them and let them stew in they lie infested swamp.I hope they do try.

They haven't listened to Quebec and their succession rants. Every few years the frogs get their panties in a wad and rant about secession. It all goes away when finances get involved and they realize that they need the money from the rest of Canada to survive.

Canada
07-06-21, 23:38
Since when do fascists like freedom. Fascists wants a police state. They want the homeless sent to the gas chamber along with blacks and other people not quite white enough. They want military parades and endless wars to keep the poor busy and maximise their profits, The don't want free press to shine a light on their criminal enterprises, they admire Putin and how he run Russia, just like Don the crime does.Which Republican state has the biggest homeless problem. Last I looked it was California. Which republican state has the highest murder rate and crime? Chicago and Illinois are still democrat state. It seems to me that the democrats do a lot of talking but ignore these problems. Democrats don't care that the homeless are ruining their state and the democrats definitely are doing nothing with the thousands of blacks being killed in Chicago. Even google acknowledges these problems but democrats just blame Trump. Do nothing and blame Trump for all their poorly run states.

And with Putin it was Biden kissing his ass a week ago. Putin has free reign to do anything now with a weakling president in USA. All the world loves Biden and a weak America. You guys love Biden because you hate America. Every post of yours proves this.

The only thing that Biden has done for the blacks is defund police and let blacks loot and riot with no consequences. Really great for USA.

EihTooms
07-07-21, 02:35
Classic fake news. The rally comment was about somebody trying to find Clinton's emails that she had illegally kept on a private server and then deleted. The fact that she was not charged for that crime opened the eyes of millions to the fact that America no longer has a justice system in which nobody is above the law. Just like the Kims in North Korea and the kings in medieval Europe, there now exists a ruling class which can do whatever it wants. For now.

Don Jr's meeting: someone said they had opposition research. Every political campaign in history would want to check it out. Don Jr made the mistake of going himself rather than just sending an aide: he stayed for a few minutes and when it was clear the woman was full of sht he got up and left. What's really funny is fake news shtlibs trying to attack Don Jr given Hunter's open corruption, criminality and debauched lifestyle funded by his father when he was VP.

Finally, the Papadopoulos thing was a clinical sting by the anti-Trump intelligence agencies. He was a low-level guy who had no access to anything, so the deep state targeted him and buttered him up to create a pretext for their fake investigation.
Do a Google Search on the topic and you will find many news sources reporting that Bipartisan Republican Party Senate-Controlled investigation's conclusions and report.

Really. It was probably never mentioned on FUX News Channel and their fellow Trump-TV outlets. But real news sources reported it quite extensively at the time.

Bipartisan Senate Report Shows How Trump Colluded With Russia in 2016
Aug. 18, 2020
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/bipartisan-senate-report-shows-2016-trump-russia-collusion.html

Senate committee concludes Russia used Manafort, WikiLeaks to boost Trump in 2016
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-senate-idUSKCN25E1US

The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence alleged Manafort collaborated with Russians, including oligarch Oleg Deripaska and Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik, before, during, and after the election.

The panel found Manaforts role and proximity to Trump created opportunities for Russian intelligence, saying his high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services... represented a grave counterintelligence threat.

Uh...Paul Manafort was the 2016 Trump Campaign Chairman.

Xpartan
07-07-21, 05:02
Sorry to disappoint you but flag burning is constitutionally protected free speech. https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/free-speech-flag-burning_1.pdf.

Why are you against the First Amendment?Nah, burning flags is a sacrilege. Every real patriot knows that flags must only be used for bashing cops.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/capitol-rioter-beat-dc-officer-with-pole-flying-american-flag/2539161

Villainy
07-07-21, 05:44
Don't try to dissuade them. After finding out how much worse life will be they will run back with their tails between their legs. Imagine noone to subsidise the farmers, no money to pay for the Military, having to compete with the rest of the world to supply the markets with the money (The Democrat states). Build a big wall around them and let them stew in they lie infested swamp.I think they can should it "Hillbilly Heaven".

Chris P
07-07-21, 10:52
Show one reliable source for these numbers? According to all the fruitcakes here there were 11 m illegals in total in the countryNo, 11 m is the official govt total, and has been for several years despite rampant illegal immigration. 30 m is a realistic estimate of the total number of illegals actually here.

Paulie97
07-07-21, 11:44
Nah, burning flags is a sacrilege. Every real patriot knows that flags must only be used for bashing cops.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/capitol-rioter-beat-dc-officer-with-pole-flying-american-flag/2539161Major Touche.

PVMonger
07-07-21, 12:44
LOL. Try 0.1%. Average age of death 86, with multiple comorbidities.I believe that 0.1% is the percentage of trumpers with an IQ higher than the number of teeth they have.

PVMonger
07-07-21, 12:49
Though they thought they were, this MAGA crowd isn't the majority, thus all the desperation fueled bitterness from guys like Chris. They of course are welcome to leave but won't be getting their own separate country here on American soil.

P.S. We shouldn't be surprised by the presence of such characters here. Angry bigots get horny too.Doesn't mongering go against the "family values" or the "keep it in your knickers" BS to which most trumpers ascribe? But that would make trumpers hypocrites, wouldn't it?

Canada
07-07-21, 16:42
By your own admission, you do not believe in the First Amendment. Why? Do you really hate America that much to piss all over the 1st Amendment?

Why do you think that the authors of the Constitution put Freedom of Speech at the top of the list of Amendments? But you fascists think that "freedom of speech" only belongs to fascists.

Why do you hate America?Do you really think that anyone is that stupid to believe that the founders of our country wrote the constitution to satisfy haters of America so that they can burn the flag of their country.

I stand for the Anthem and I honor our flag. I support the military and the police and I support secure borders. It is pretty easy to see who hates America. You prove it with your posts every day.

John Clayton
07-07-21, 17:51
Do you really think that anyone is that stupid to believe that the founders of our country wrote the constitution to satisfy haters of America so that they can burn the flag of their country.

I stand for the Anthem and I honor our flag. I support the military and the police and I support secure borders. It is pretty easy to see who hates America. You prove it with your posts every day."Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" (Samuel Johnson).

Villainy
07-07-21, 18:21
Do you really think that anyone is that stupid to believe that the founders of our country wrote the constitution to satisfy haters of America so that they can burn the flag of their country.

I stand for the Anthem and I honor our flag. I support the military and the police and I support secure borders. It is pretty easy to see who hates America. You prove it with your posts every day.Yes! The Supreme Court of the US decided in Texas v Johnson that a protester who burned the American flag was in fact using his 1st amendment right to express himself and as such is protected under the constitution. You may not agree (who cares), you may not like it (who cares) but that has been the interpretation of the 1st amendment and what our founders intended. I'm sure you think you are a better judge of what the founders intended but I going to go out on a limb and say the Supreme Court members who decided that case were a lot more knowledgeable that you will ever be.

By the way if you are 1/10 the patriot you claim that you are. Why do you call yourself Canada instead of some name that is more representative of our country or its history?

Paulie97
07-07-21, 18:23
Doesn't mongering go against the "family values" or the "keep it in your knickers" BS to which most trumpers ascribe? But that would make trumpers hypocrites, wouldn't it?Yes the hypocrisy on that front is very telling, as well as nauseating.

Horatio
07-07-21, 18:42
The founders of America were British. They violently rebelled against the country of their birth.


Do you really think that anyone is that stupid to believe that the founders of our country wrote the constitution to satisfy haters of America so that they can burn the flag of their country.

I stand for the Anthem and I honor our flag. I support the military and the police and I support secure borders. It is pretty easy to see who hates America. You prove it with your posts every day.

Chris P
07-07-21, 19:25
You didn't get any of the sucker money over the past 2 years either. Democratic suckers paid $27,000,000 to George Floyd family because George Floyd the lifelong criminal didn't support his family before his death. Democratic suckers gave $90,000,000 to Black Lives matter who's founder retired this year with 4 new houses and millions of dollars. Yes amazing they did trick those gullible democrat fools. And these gullible fools are still getting suckered.Perhaps the most hilarious thing about this Fentanyl Floyd clownery was when they wheeled out his daughter and tried to create a weepy moment, when in fact she didn't know who he was. Even funnier than the footage they had to release at the showtrial, with Floyd high as a kite hopping up and down waving a banana around in Cup Foods.

Chris P
07-07-21, 19:31
Do you really think that anyone is that stupid to believe that the founders of our country wrote the constitution to satisfy haters of America so that they can burn the flag of their country.

I stand for the Anthem and I honor our flag. I support the military and the police and I support secure borders. It is pretty easy to see who hates America. You prove it with your posts every day.Shitlibs think that the First Amendment means burning the flag and targeting children with porn and homosexual / tranny propaganda, while simultaneously censoring the 45th President of the United States and the 75 million Americans who voted for him. Not an exaggeration. That is literally how they think, if it can be described as thought. This is why I'm coming to the conclusion that we just need to separate. Why would we the 75 million plus patriots want to stay with deranged lunatics like that?

Chris P
07-07-21, 19:47
Doesn't mongering go against the "family values" or the "keep it in your knickers" BS to which most trumpers ascribe? But that would make trumpers hypocrites, wouldn't it?Quite the contrary. A decent supply of available pussy for hire blunts the damaging effects of feminism. If men are unable to get laid outside orthodox channels the value of decent gash becomes hugely inflated (particularly given so many Western women deliberately fatten and uglify themselves: again, thanks feminists). This allows women to control men and engage in the games, hypergamy and other BS that we are all familiar with.

If men can relieve their urges easily and reasonably at any time, we have far less incentive to go along with women's' tricks. Starved of attention, which is all most women want, they will be forced to improve their behaviour and appearance or end up as lonely catladies. This improvement will have the knock-on effect of making men more willing to settle down and stay with them, have kids and raise stable families.

Chris P
07-07-21, 19:49
The founders of America were British. They violently rebelled against the country of their birth.None of them were born in Britain.

Chris P
07-07-21, 19:52
Which Republican state has the biggest homeless problem. Last I looked it was California. Which republican state has the highest murder rate and crime? Chicago and Illinois are still democrat state. It seems to me that the democrats do a lot of talking but ignore these problems. Democrats don't care that the homeless are ruining their state and the democrats definitely are doing nothing with the thousands of blacks being killed in Chicago. Even google acknowledges these problems but democrats just blame Trump. Do nothing and blame Trump for all their poorly run states.

And with Putin it was Biden kissing his ass a week ago. Putin has free reign to do anything now with a weakling president in USA. All the world loves Biden and a weak America. You guys love Biden because you hate America. Every post of yours proves this.

The only thing that Biden has done for the blacks is defund police and let blacks loot and riot with no consequences. Really great for USA.Indeed. Many people are fleeing from California and New York to Texas, Florida and Idaho. Nobody is fleeing the other way.

Chris P
07-07-21, 20:11
Don't try to dissuade them. After finding out how much worse life will be they will run back with their tails between their legs. Imagine noone to subsidise the farmers, no money to pay for the Military, having to compete with the rest of the world to supply the markets with the money (The Democrat states). Build a big wall around them and let them stew in they lie infested swamp.Imagine the coastal communists with noone to grow their food, and no military to defend them. Have fun turning the bluehaired genderfluid critical race theory graduates into a fighting force. The gangbangers are used to violence, but good luck getting them to follow orders. Half the army will be dead of "friendly fire" by week 2.

As for farming, does anyone remember the attempt to grow food in CHAZ / CHOP or whatever the hell it was? They dumped an inch of soil on some grass and expected to feed the entire commune. Hilarious.

Honestly, you clearly hate all of the 75 million Trump voters, and we're none too fond of your woke feminist open borders anti-white child-groping drag queen story hour lunacy either. Why would you want to force us to stay together? It's like a marriage in which the parties have grown to despise each other. Why wouldn't you want to make a clean break.

Just one thing: we're keeping the name, flag and anthem, which is only fair since you hate them all. Suggestions for your new country's name include Genderistan, Affirmativeactionia, or Gibsmedatland. The flag would obviously be the woke brown rainbow. We'll even throw in all 30 million illegals for ya.

Paulie97
07-07-21, 21:04
The founders of America were British. They violently rebelled against the country of their birth.And seized property from British loyalists in the process, and in a similar fashion as Castro in Cuba. It's funny how standards change, depending on who is writing the history. Wink.

EihTooms
07-08-21, 03:24
Indeed. Many people are fleeing from California and New York to Texas, Florida and Idaho. Nobody is fleeing the other way.Lol. "fleeing"? California has had roughly 1.5 times the population of Texas, 2 times the population of Florida and 20+ times the population of Idaho since forever and for plenty of very good reasons.

Yes, many Californians can take the whopping profits they made on their California property investments and the money they made at their higher paying California jobs to buy for cash and enjoy life relatively easy peasy virtually anywhere on the planet, certainly in those states, with no small thanks to modern Internet technology developed largely in California.

But that number will never match much less exceed the number of Americans that prefer to live in California over any one of those or other Red states. When 20 million Californians move to Florida, get back to us.

The same principle applies to New York.

Horatio
07-08-21, 04:15
Where were they born? My understanding is the vast majority were British citizens born in the British colonies.


None of them were born in Britain.

Canada
07-08-21, 04:36
Yes! The Supreme Court of the US decided in Texas v Johnson that a protester who burned the American flag was in fact using his 1st amendment right to express himself and as such is protected under the constitution. You may not agree (who cares), you may not like it (who cares) but that has been the interpretation of the 1st amendment and what our founders intended. I'm sure you think you are a better judge of what the founders intended but I going to go out on a limb and say the Supreme Court members who decided that case were a lot more knowledgeable that you will ever be.

By the way if you are 1/10 the patriot you claim that you are. Why do you call yourself Canada instead of some name that is more representative of our country or its history?I was Canadian when I joined this site but now I am a duel citizen with 2 passports. I didn't think it was necessary to change profile on here. I am Canadian and will stand for Canadian anthem and honor the Canadian flag but I am also a citizen of USA and when I was sworn in as a citizen I pledged to honor the flag and stand for the anthem. The flag and the anthem means freedom to me that was given to me by the thousands of soldiers that fought for the freedom of all Americans. Many US soldiers died to give all Americans the life we live in today. I never ever heard a man or woman in uniform say they were fighting for the freedom of white people only. They gave their life for whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians and every race of citizen in our country. I know several on this site have very different views of the military, flag and anthem but I choose to respect all of these. I totally understand that several anti USA, anti military democrats hate the American way of life. It is a free country so it is their choice. I just don't want to Associate with these people that betray our country and I don't.

Canada
07-08-21, 04:43
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" (Samuel Johnson).It appears that only the Republicans have patriotism in the USA now. This forum proves that. Not sure why democrats aren't patriotic anymore. I guess supporting BLM and Anitifa eliminates their patriotism.

Chris P
07-08-21, 08:17
Lol. "fleeing"? California has had roughly 1.5 times the population of Texas, 2 times the population of Florida and 20+ times the population of Idaho since forever and for plenty of very good reasons.The reason California has a huge population is the illegals who have swarmed there over the past 50 years, had anchor babies, and used them for chain migration to get the extended family in. Heritage Americans, on the other hand, are fleeing the high taxes, crime, anti-white hate and affirmative action legislation.

Let's go our separate ways. We'll take the heritage Americans and First and Second Amendment; you can have the Guatemalan goblins, hate speech laws, feminism and socialism, and we'll see who's doing better in 20 years.

Chris P
07-08-21, 08:20
Where were they born? My understanding is the vast majority were British citizens born in the British colonies.The colonies were not part of Britain, which was the entire point that Washington and co were making. If they had been part of Britain, they would have had representation in the British parliament.

Jckgmn
07-08-21, 08:47
Where were they born? My understanding is the vast majority were British citizens born in the British colonies.The colonists were British "subjects", not citizens. They were affected by British law but they had no say in it. That was partly why they rebelled.

George Washington born in Virginia.

John Adams born in Mass.

Thomas Jefferson born in Virginia.

James Madison born in Virginia.

John Hancock born in Mass.

Patrick Henry born in Virginia.

I didn't research more but I'm pretty sure they were all born in the colonies.

PVMonger
07-08-21, 17:31
The reason California has a huge population is the illegals who have swarmed there over the past 50 years, had anchor babies, and used them for chain migration to get the extended family in. Heritage Americans, on the other hand, are fleeing the high taxes, crime, anti-white hate and affirmative action legislation.

Let's go our separate ways. We'll take the heritage Americans and First and Second Amendment; you can have the Guatemalan goblins, hate speech laws, feminism and socialism, and we'll see who's doing better in 20 years.Fine. We'll take all the people of color and all the immigrants. You can have all of the white supremacists. The simple facts are that there won't be anybody left in your utopia who will work in slaughterhouses or pick your crops for minimum wage. No more cooks, busboys, garbage collectors, hospital orderlies, janitors, etc. Good luck in finding low wage workers. We have them all and we're going to treat them better.

You can have all the guns you want. We're going to build a wall around you and, because walls work (your words) nothing will get into your utopia nor out of it.

Without the "red state drag" on the our economy, our economy will prosper. Yours, on the other hand, without the money you have always received from the feds, will wither. Unless, of course, you (gasp) raise taxes.

You will eliminate all regulations on all businesses so they will be free to pollute you rivers, lakes and groundwater. Have fun drinking the bottled water that you mock us for drinking.

20 years? Right.

Paulie97
07-08-21, 18:49
The colonists were British "subjects", not citizens. The term "citizen" wasn't in use at the time in Britain. They were all "subjects" of the crown. Your typical colonist considered themselves to be English.


They were affected by British law but they had no say in it. That was partly why they rebelled. This part is true as the colonists didn't have representatives in Parliament.

Villainy
07-08-21, 20:48
The reason California has a huge population is the illegals who have swarmed there over the past 50 years, had anchor babies, and used them for chain migration to get the extended family in. Heritage Americans, on the other hand, are fleeing the high taxes, crime, anti-white hate and affirmative action legislation.

Let's go our separate ways. We'll take the heritage Americans and First and Second Amendment; you can have the Guatemalan goblins, hate speech laws, feminism and socialism, and we'll see who's doing better in 20 years.It is rather remarkable to me that someone who think he is such a patriot, doesn't know anything about US history. Those illegals you are so concerned about are the equivalent of the peoples who came here 100's of years ago. Irish, Italians, Polish, Germans, Russians, Chinese. They all came here to make a better life for their families. They were willing to work hard not to become rich but to give their children a safe place to grow up and to prosper. They made incredible sacrifices working 2 or 3 jobs, getting no sleep just so their kids could be Americans. Those 'illegals' you are so concerned about are doing the same thing except a bunch of you clowns wanted to limit their access to the American dream. As Bill Clinton used to say. "I got mine, you are on your own."

I'm a heritage American, at least on my father's side. A lot of us are very selective in who we live near. And I'm not a fan of living near White Supremacists or Hillbillies. So, you take your attitudes, your guns and your oil and build a wall around your little land. Just don't ask for any help. Because you're on your own.

PVMonger
07-08-21, 22:13
The reason California has a huge population is the illegals who have swarmed there over the past 50 years, had anchor babies, and used them for chain migration to get the extended family in. Heritage Americans, on the other hand, are fleeing the high taxes, crime, anti-white hate and affirmative action legislation.

Let's go our separate ways. We'll take the heritage Americans and First and Second Amendment; you can have the Guatemalan goblins, hate speech laws, feminism and socialism, and we'll see who's doing better in 20 years.This is the first time I've heard this term.

My initial research came up with https://medium.com/@dgbarnes/the-heritage-americans-e330a0947603. The best quote from the article is "Heritage Americans are so shallow in personality that they seek out things to shape them."

Further research yielded this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ancestry. The best quote was "Although USA Census data indicates "American ancestry" is most commonly self-reported in the Deep South, the Upland South, and Appalachia."

In other words, "heritage Americans" are insecure hillbillies. In other words, trumpers. ROFL.

EihTooms
07-08-21, 23:20
It appears that only the Republicans have patriotism in the USA now. This forum proves that. Not sure why democrats aren't patriotic anymore. I guess supporting BLM and Anitifa eliminates their patriotism.Your lord, savior and most popular Republican so-called president of all time (among Republicans), Donald J. Trump, surveyed the graves of USA soldiers who died defending American democracy and was credibly reported to have referred to the dead as "suckers and losers" for having done so.

Now he is working mightily to characterize his violent mob of Capitol Building-storming and desecrating insurrectionists who attacked, maimed and killed cops as well as some among their own mob on their way to overturning a free and fair election, overthrowing American democracy and assassinating duly elected officials (including his own VP) as "patriots" and the ones that died during the commission of their deadly anti-American crime as noble "martyrs."

Let's just say your assessment of who and what is patriotic vs unpatriotic to America is just as worthless as your assessment of typical and consistent Dem economic gains, recoveries and expansions vs typical and consistent Great Repub Crashes, Depressions, Recessions and massive USA job losses.

Chris P
07-08-21, 23:49
No more cooks, busboys, garbage collectors, hospital orderlies, janitors, etc. Good luck in finding low wage workers.

You can have all the guns you want. We're going to build a wall around you and, because walls work (your words) nothing will get into your utopia nor out of it.

You will eliminate all regulations on all businesses so they will be free to pollute you rivers, lakes and groundwater.Here's the thing: without an endless supply of illegal third world labour, wages will go up! While blue collar Americans are being replaced by Mexican illegals and white collar Americans by cheap Asians, putting the Americans out of work but giving the owners billions, in a country without immigration the economy would self-correct: nobody would work for shitty wages. So the owners would have to stump up more cash. For really basic jobs like car washing, teenagers can do it like they used to in the old days, instead of sitting around playing video games and jacking off to Twitch thots. Everyone's a winner, except the billionaires and screw them.

Nothing will get into our utopia from your shthole coastal cities? LOL. What do you have that we would want? Starbucks? Funny money? You don't actually produce anything. We will bring back manufacturing to the heartland from China and Mexico where corrupt politicians like Biden were bribed to send it. Oh, and we also grow all the food. Good luck with your CHAZ-style urban farms. A real-life Hunger Games will ensue once the soy runs out.

Oh and all the best on law and order. Another hundred gangbangers shot in Chicago this weekend? And they're moving into the suburbs now? Pity there are no longer any cops, but I'm sure the anti-racist social worker with a degree in gender studies will get everything under control.

As for taxes, once you've paid reparations for blacks who were never slaves; housing, health and welfare for illegals; the billions in remittances have gone back to the immigrants' home countries; and our bill for the food you will need to buy from us not to starve to death, there won't be a whole lot left. By then, most of the white and East Asian tax base will have fled across the border to freedom and stability, as they have fled from NYC in the past year. Will you introduce an East German-style shoot-on-sight policy at the border, as your fellow communists did before you?

Chris P
07-08-21, 23:59
Those illegals you are so concerned about are the equivalent of the peoples who came here 100's of years ago. Irish, Italians, Polish, Germans, RussiansBut they aren't though, are they. By the second generation, those Europeans had largely assimilated into the American mainstream. There weren't Polish ghettoes set up in which nobody spoke English, or angry, hostile Americans of Irish descent turning their back on the flag and anthem when it played after they made the podium in a sporting event.

Speaking of which, in my earlier post I suggested names and a flag for your new country but I forgot to give a recommendation for your new national anthem, given that you hate the Star Spangled Banner. After some thought, I've come up with one which I believe fits the bill: Yakkety-Sax. I'm imagining it playing over footage of the mostly peaceful riots and battles that will occur between black and central American gangs, only increasing in scope when the welfare money and food runs out.

John Clayton
07-09-21, 00:43
It appears that only the Republicans have patriotism in the USA now. This forum proves that. Not sure why democrats aren't patriotic anymore. I guess supporting BLM and Anitifa eliminates their patriotism.If you honor the 4th of July, then you should investigate the 6th of January.

Villainy
07-09-21, 03:05
But they aren't though, are they. By the second generation, those Europeans had largely assimilated into the American mainstream. There weren't Polish ghettoes set up in which nobody spoke English, or angry, hostile Americans of Irish descent turning their back on the flag and anthem when it played after they made the podium in a sporting event.

Speaking of which, in my earlier post I suggested names and a flag for your new country but I forgot to give a recommendation for your new national anthem, given that you hate the Star Spangled Banner. After some thought, I've come up with one which I believe fits the bill: Yakkety-Sax. I'm imagining it playing over footage of the mostly peaceful riots and battles that will occur between black and central American gangs, only increasing in scope when the welfare money and food runs out.Wow you just make up the facts as you go. Is that it? There are sections of New York City that have specific names. Little Italy and even then (1970's-80's) there were old families in that section that spoke Italian in the homes. Sure the children grew up speaking Italian in the homes and English in the schools and workplace. Same is true of Chinatown and several other areas. In New Mexico there were many immigrants when I grew up there (1960's) same obvious pattern, Spanish was spoken in the home but the children spoke English in the schools and workplace.

Before you vector off in some new silly direction, I am not in favor of blanket open borders. Clearly, we don't want gang members coming in from Central America and we don't need any terrorists coming in from the Middle East or any criminal elements from Eastern Europe. But I think our country is sophisticated enough to separate those people out of the process. Maybe as a lesson in American history you might want to reread "The New Colossus" by Emma Lazarus. Don't worry it's not a book it will only take you 4 to 5 minutes but it might open your cemented shut eyes. It's a poem and it's on the plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty. I'm sure it directly referenced some of your predecessors. (and mine too, that wasn't a slight).

PVMonger
07-09-21, 03:27
Here's the thing: without an endless supply of illegal third world labour, wages will go up! While blue collar Americans are being replaced by Mexican illegals and white collar Americans by cheap Asians, putting the Americans out of work but giving the owners billions, in a country without immigration the economy would self-correct: nobody would work for shitty wages. So the owners would have to stump up more cash. For really basic jobs like car washing, teenagers can do it like they used to in the old days, instead of sitting around playing video games and jacking off to Twitch thots. Everyone's a winner, except the billionaires and screw them.

Nothing will get into our utopia from your shthole coastal cities? LOL. What do you have that we would want? Starbucks? Funny money? You don't actually produce anything. We will bring back manufacturing to the heartland from China and Mexico where corrupt politicians like Biden were bribed to send it. Oh, and we also grow all the food. Good luck with your CHAZ-style urban farms. A real-life Hunger Games will ensue once the soy runs out.

Oh and all the best on law and order. Another hundred gangbangers shot in Chicago this weekend? And they're moving into the suburbs now? Pity there are no longer any cops, but I'm sure the anti-racist social worker with a degree in gender studies will get everything under control.Why is everything you write wrong.

According to you, "blue collar Americans are being replaced by Mexican illegals and white collar Americans by cheap Asians". According to you and the rest of the fascist trumpers, the only people with "skills" are white. Immigrants, illegal or not, are "unskilled". In what world can unskilled labor replace skilled labor? Fascists are the ones saying "get an education" if you want a better job. Fascists are saying now that a higher minimum wage won't work. How much education, etc is necessary to pick crops or to cut up beef / pork / poultry? Wages will go up in your fascist utopia? Not likely.

I realize that you don't know this, and likely never will, but California leads the US in farm revenue. Almost half of the top 10 farm revenue states are blue: Which are the top 10 agricultural producing States? In 2019, the top 10 agricultural producing States in terms of cash receipts were (in descending order): California, Iowa, Nebraska, Texas, Minnesota, Illinois, Kansas, Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Indiana. We will be just fine.

Remittances? Isn't the fascist line that all immigrants are lazy and don't work? Or is that only blacks? Speaking of shoot-on-sight at the border, we'll only do that to fascists trying to escape fascism.

Canada
07-09-21, 03:31
If you honor the 4th of July, then you should investigate the 6th of January.Get a life. It has been investigated 3 times by FBI, CIA and DOJ and investigation is still going on. We don't need a $1.9 billion expense for a democratic witch hunt. That money can be used for better purposes.

Canada
07-09-21, 03:43
Your lord, savior and most popular Republican so-called president of all time (among Republicans), Donald J. Trump, surveyed the graves of USA soldiers who died defending American democracy and was credibly reported to have referred to the dead as "suckers and losers" for having done so.

Now he is working mightily to characterize his violent mob of Capitol Building-storming and desecrating insurrectionists who attacked, maimed and killed cops as well as some among their own mob on their way to overturning a free and fair election, overthrowing American democracy and assassinating duly elected officials (including his own VP) as "patriots" and the ones that died during the commission of their deadly anti-American crime as noble "martyrs."

Let's just say your assessment of who and what is patriotic vs unpatriotic to America is just as worthless as your assessment of typical and consistent Dem economic gains, recoveries and expansions vs typical and consistent Great Repub Crashes, Depressions, Recessions and massive USA job losses.Trump and Reagan probably the two most patriotic presidents that we had in the last 40 years. Both made America better and created great economies. I know every anti American, unpatriotic, hating USA democrat on this forum will deny it.

Now we have the weakest anti police, open border loving president ever. A joke to the rest of the world. Trump and Reagan were respected. Biden is the laughing stock.

Canada
07-09-21, 03:49
It is rather remarkable to me that someone who think he is such a patriot, doesn't know anything about US history. Those illegals you are so concerned about are the equivalent of the peoples who came here 100's of years ago. Irish, Italians, Polish, Germans, Russians, Chinese. They all came here to make a better life for their families. They were willing to work hard not to become rich but to give their children a safe place to grow up and to prosper. They made incredible sacrifices working 2 or 3 jobs, getting no sleep just so their kids could be Americans. Those 'illegals' you are so concerned about are doing the same thing except a bunch of you clowns wanted to limit their access to the American dream. As Bill Clinton used to say. "I got mine, you are on your own."

I'm a heritage American, at least on my father's side. A lot of us are very selective in who we live near. And I'm not a fan of living near White Supremacists or Hillbillies. So, you take your attitudes, your guns and your oil and build a wall around your little land. Just don't ask for any help. Because you're on your own.The history that I read was that all these immigrants that you are talking about that came in the early 1900's came in legally through legal channels. I don't think they bypassed the border crosses and snuck it to the USA illegally. All the immigrants came in legally.

Maybe your history shows that they came illegally.

GDreams
07-09-21, 11:58
Imagine the coastal communists with noone to grow their food, and no military to defend them. Have fun turning the bluehaired genderfluid critical race theory graduates into a fighting force. The gangbangers are used to violence, but good luck getting them to follow orders. Half the army will be dead of "friendly fire" by week 2.

As for farming, does anyone remember the attempt to grow food in CHAZ / CHOP or whatever the hell it was? They dumped an inch of soil on some grass and expected to feed the entire commune. Hilarious.

Honestly, you clearly hate all of the 75 million Trump voters, and we're none too fond of your woke feminist open borders anti-white child-groping drag queen story hour lunacy either. Why would you want to force us to stay together? It's like a marriage in which the parties have grown to despise each other. Why wouldn't you want to make a clean break.

Just one thing: we're keeping the name, flag and anthem, which is only fair since you hate them all. Suggestions for your new country's name include Genderistan, Affirmativeactionia, or Gibsmedatland. The flag would obviously be the woke brown rainbow. We'll even throw in all 30 million illegals for ya.LOL, you won't be able to sell your food. It will be produced in California, the food bowl or bought from Canada or some nice Argentinian beef. All your farmers will be broke with no farm handouts.

Who wants to waste money on an over bloated military. There was one thing Trump was correct about, those who serve are a bunch of losers. Try to maintain the current military with the states who generate 2/3 of the GDP and most of the tech are no longer contributing. You will be vying with France and Germany for military supremacy.

Chris P
07-09-21, 13:50
If you honor the 4th of July, then you should investigate the 6th of January.Still no explanation for the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the centre of the small group that organised and carried out the Capitol trespassing.

They were proven to have been heavily involved in the planning and inside the Capitol on Jan 6, yet they have not only been spared arrest, they have not been named.

Why has federal law enforcement given these guys a total free pass?

Is it because they are FBI undercover agents and informants? If so, the FBI knew exactly what was being planned. Indeed, in many cases the unindicted, unnamed co-conpirators planned it themselves.

The FBI and other Washington Deep State organisations knew that there was a plan to invade the Capitol building. They encouraged it (some would say they plotted it) and at best allowed it to happen.

Why did they not ensure greater security at the building given that they knew what was going to happen? Is it because they wanted to use it as a pretext to attack Trump and conservatives, in conjunction with fake news media, social media, democrats and RINOs?

We need to know who the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators are, what their relationship to the FBI and other federal intelligence agencies is, and what their role in the planning was.

PVMonger
07-09-21, 14:20
But they aren't though, are they. By the second generation, those Europeans had largely assimilated into the American mainstream. There weren't Polish ghettoes set up in which nobody spoke English, or angry, hostile Americans of Irish descent turning their back on the flag and anthem when it played after they made the podium in a sporting event.

Speaking of which, in my earlier post I suggested names and a flag for your new country but I forgot to give a recommendation for your new national anthem, given that you hate the Star Spangled Banner. After some thought, I've come up with one which I believe fits the bill: Yakkety-Sax. I'm imagining it playing over footage of the mostly peaceful riots and battles that will occur between black and central American gangs, only increasing in scope when the welfare money and food runs out.You need to do research. Actually, you need to get an education. Especially when it comes to immigration, both legal and illegal. But if you were educated, you wouldn't be a trumper.

Here are facts https://immigrationtounitedstates.org/484-ethnic-enclaves.html.

But I see where you are going with this. You believe that "european" immigrants (ie white immigrants) are OK but immigrants of a non-white skin color are not. I'd even go so far to say that "white illegal immigration" would be OK with you too.

Canada
07-09-21, 18:09
Wow you just make up the facts as you go. Is that it? There are sections of New York City that have specific names. Little Italy and even then (1970's-80's) there were old families in that section that spoke Italian in the homes. Sure the children grew up speaking Italian in the homes and English in the schools and workplace. Same is true of Chinatown and several other areas. In New Mexico there were many immigrants when I grew up there (1960's) same obvious pattern, Spanish was spoken in the home but the children spoke English in the schools and workplace.

Before you vector off in some new silly direction, I am not in favor of blanket open borders. Clearly, we don't want gang members coming in from Central America and we don't need any terrorists coming in from the Middle East or any criminal elements from Eastern Europe. But I think our country is sophisticated enough to separate those people out of the process. Maybe as a lesson in American history you might want to reread "The New Colossus" by Emma Lazarus. Don't worry it's not a book it will only take you 4 to 5 minutes but it might open your cemented shut eyes. It's a poem and it's on the plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty. I'm sure it directly referenced some of your predecessors. (and mine too, that wasn't a slight).In your comparison to Little Italy are you suggesting that all sections in New York like Little Italy the immigrants came into the USA illegally? I am for immigrants to legally come to the USA but I am not for open borders or traffickers bringing in illegal immigrants. With legal immigration the USA does background checks and criminal checks on the immigrants. With illegal immigration which democrats support criminals and terrorists can enter unchecked. Increasing crime in USA maybe suggests criminals are coming in.

PVMonger
07-09-21, 19:36
In your comparison to Little Italy are you suggesting that all sections in New York like Little Italy the immigrants came into the USA illegally? I am for immigrants to legally come to the USA but I am not for open borders or traffickers bringing in illegal immigrants. With legal immigration the USA does background checks and criminal checks on the immigrants. With illegal immigration which democrats support criminals and terrorists can enter unchecked. Increasing crime in USA maybe suggests criminals are coming in.Next you'll be saying that the Pilgrims were "legal immigrants", that they didn't live in enclaves and that by their second generation all of them were completely fluent in the language of the inhabitants of the area.

I am also certain that you are blissfully unaware (most trumpers are) that an equal number of "illegal immigrants" overstay their visas and just disappear. Where is your outrage for that? Oh, right, those "visa overstays" are mostly white.

Chris P
07-09-21, 20:16
Oh, right, those "visa overstays" are mostly white.Where is your evidence that most visa overstays are white?

PVMonger
07-09-21, 21:34
Where is your evidence that most visa overstays are white?Why should I prove anything? Virtually everything that you've posted is without proof.

Beijing4987
07-09-21, 21:38
Chrispy, like Tuckkker Kkkarlson has many questions, but no answers or smoking gun. "Why is that" Tuckkker would muse. Getting the last word important to him and Kkkanada. Deep State is watching all of us, as Snowden proved. They have a habit of setting fire to their adversaries. Oops, Waco, Move In Philadelphia, Robert Mathews (The Order) on Whidbey Island, Washington

Villainy
07-10-21, 00:08
In your comparison to Little Italy are you suggesting that all sections in New York like Little Italy the immigrants came into the USA illegally? I am for immigrants to legally come to the USA but I am not for open borders or traffickers bringing in illegal immigrants. With legal immigration the USA does background checks and criminal checks on the immigrants. With illegal immigration which democrats support criminals and terrorists can enter unchecked. Increasing crime in USA maybe suggests criminals are coming in.I understand you feel you need to contribute something. Anything. But it would help if you boned up on your reading skills.

No the ethnic enclaves in New York didn't arrive in the US illegally. We had open borders then. As long as an immigrant passed a very superficial health examination they were allowed in the US. Most of those immigrants entered through Ellis Island (which is next to Liberty Island) in New York harbor.

The point (if you had bothered to read) was that not all immigrants assimilated the new language by the second generation. My point was that many (in fact I would dare say a majority) of 2nd generation immigrants were bilingual. Why? They spoke their parents native language in the home and English in schools and the workplace. It wouldn't be until the 3rd and 4th generations before the grandchildren and great grandchildren of immigrants would lose their family language and become completely "assimilated".

Since you really enjoy emersing yourself in these arguments, it would really help if you actually read what was being discussed before sticking your big goose into the discussion. Eh?

Chris P
07-10-21, 00:56
Emma LazarusWas a Jewish communist, like most of the early Bolsheviks in Russia who murdered millions. She and her fellow travellers would have happily done the same to Americans a hundred years ago, and indeed will do the same in the near future if they get their chance.

Police defunded and terrified to arrest non-white criminals; citizens disarmed in the face of antifa and BLM mobs setting fire to their property; a fraudulently installed VP (soon to be POTUS as Biden's dementia worsens daily) cheering it on alongside other anti-white ideologues like the openly white-hating Kristen Clarke, head of the DoJ "Civil Rights" division. The future they want for heritage Americans is dark, if they even intend for us to have one.

As to your point about Little Italy, as I replied earlier, how many Italian-Americans today speak Italian? How many Polish-Americans speak Polish? None. They have entirely integrated. Italian and Polish areas don't even exist any more.

On the contrary, how many Guatemalans still speak Spanish better than English (if they speak English at all)? How many Somalis still speak Arabic better than English while organising their welfare scams in Minnesota? They still live in their tightly sealed ethnic enclaves, full of various forms of crime and hostile to white people, just like the third world immigrants in places like Sweden and Belgium.

Chris P
07-10-21, 01:05
California leads the US in farm revenueCalifornia is a huge state, and much of its interior is solidly conservative Republican. Unfortunately they are now outweighed by the torrent of third world illegals, along with their anchor babies and chain migration, that have been pouring in for the past 40 years. They will be happy to leave Gibsmedatistan behind and join the New America. You can keep the coast, and see how well you can live off failing hollyweird movies and buggy apps.

Chris P
07-10-21, 01:11
The history that I read was that all these immigrants that you are talking about that came in the early 1900's came in legally through legal channels. I don't think they bypassed the border crosses and snuck it to the USA illegally. All the immigrants came in legally.

Maybe your history shows that they came illegally.You are correct as usual. The migrants who came from the 19th Century to the mid-1920's came legally through Ellis Island. Then in 1924 Congress decided we had enough people and stopped further immigration.

For over 40 years from 1924, America effectively had zero immigration. Even after the great betrayal of the 1965 LBJ / Chappaquidick Ted Immigration Bill, the effects were not seen for at least a couple of decades.

Obviously, the country didn't achieve anything of note between the 1920's and 1980's, and we desperately needed third world illegals to turn America into a superpower. (Obvious mockery, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that's actually what woke teaching unions are brainwashing kids with these days, alongside the "evil whitey" crap).

Chris P
07-10-21, 02:43
The history that I read was that all these immigrants that you are talking about that came in the early 1900's came in legally through legal channels. I don't think they bypassed the border crosses and snuck it to the USA illegally. All the immigrants came in legally.

Maybe your history shows that they came illegally.You are correct as usual. The migrants who came from the 19th Century to the mid-1920's came legally through Ellis Island. Then in 1924 Congress decided we had enough people and stopped further immigration.

For over 40 years from 1924, America effectively had zero immigration. Even after the great betrayal of the 1965 LBJ / Chappaquidick Ted Immigration Bill, the effects were not seen for at least a couple of decades.

Obviously, the country didn't achieve anything of note between the 1920's and 1980's, and we desperately needed third world illegals to turn America into a superpower. (Obvious mockery, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that's actually what woke teaching unions are brainwashing kids with these days, alongside the "evil whitey" crap).

EihTooms
07-10-21, 04:24
Trump and Reagan probably the two most patriotic presidents that we had in the last 40 years. Both made America better and created great economies. I know every anti American, unpatriotic, hating USA democrat on this forum will deny it.

Now we have the weakest anti police, open border loving president ever. A joke to the rest of the world. Trump and Reagan were respected. Biden is the laughing stock.Reagan's policies plunged America into the worst economic decline since the Great Republican Crash and Depression of the late 1920's and early 1930's. But only for a while. The George W. Bush Crash and Recession took the 2nd worst place spot a couple of decades later and that meant Reagan's slipped down to 3rd place. But only for a while. When all the calculations on job losses, business destruction and the hundreds of thousands of American deaths due to his economic decisions are in, the Trump Crash and Recession will likely have replaced W's, Reagan's and even that of the Repubs of the 1920s as the worst Great Republican Crash and Depression/Recession of all time.

Whether Trump's takes 1st or 2nd place, Reagan's Crash and Recession will fall to 4th place as the worst Crash and Recession of the past 100 years. So there's something you can be proud of as a Democratic Party hater and Republican Party supporter.

I submit that all the BLM, "antifa", race-riot, illegal immigrant, Traitor Trump Insurrection and big city gun violence for the past century combined have not produced nearly as much economic damage, destruction and deaths in the USA as the policies and agenda of the Republicans elected to high political office by the likes of Barney, Aunt Bee, Goober, Earnest T and, well, you in quiet little hamlets like Hooterville and Pixley.

Yes, Reagan's war whoop against America with his favorite message that this government of, by and for the American people is "the problem, not the solution" was one giant step toward Trump's violent anti-America insurrection mob attack on American democracy. So, you're right, there was definitely a kinship between Reagan and Trump in terms of "patriotism" to some country somewhere. But apparently not for America.

Beno69
07-10-21, 06:34
Where is your evidence that most visa overstays are white?For our brainwashed Chris. Friend of Q: https://media.patriotssoar.com/pdf/TrumpInDays.pdf.

Sooo funny. Soon they will have Civil war in this great country.

ScatManDoo
07-10-21, 07:38
Still no explanation for the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the centre of the small group that organised and carried out the Capitol trespassing.

They were proven to have been heavily involved in the planning and inside the Capitol on Jan 6, yet they have not only been spared arrest, they have not been named.

Why has federal law enforcement given these guys a total free pass?

Is it because they are FBI undercover agents and informants? If so, the FBI knew exactly what was being planned. Indeed, in many cases the unindicted, unnamed co-conpirators planned it themselves.

The FBI and other Washington Deep State organisations knew that there was a plan to invade the Capitol building. They encouraged it (some would say they plotted it) and at best allowed it to happen.

Why did they not ensure greater security at the building given that they knew what was going to happen? Is it because they wanted to use it as a pretext to attack Trump and conservatives, in conjunction with fake news media, social media, democrats and RINOs?.
They were proven to have been heavily involved in the planning and inside the Capitol on Jan 6, yet they have not only been spared arrest, they have not been named.

Why has federal law enforcement given these guys a total free pass?Why? Why did Mitch McConnel direct over a senate GOP vote of 2 for, 35 against, and 9 Chicken-Shit Republican Senators who abstained to block a bill on May 28th to to create an independent inquiry to investigate the deadly January 6 Capitol Hill riot.

The nine Chicken-Shit republicans that hid instead of voting were:

Republican Sen. Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee.

Republican Sen. Roy Blunt of Missouri.

Republican Sen. Mike Braun of Indiana.

Republican Sen. Richard Burr of North Carolina.

Republican Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma.

Democratic Sen. Patty Murray of Washington.

Republican Sen. Mike Rounds of South Dakota.

Republican Sen. James Risch of Idaho.

Republican Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama.

Democratic Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona.

Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.

The Chicken-Shit republican party has failed you, Chris P.

PVMonger
07-10-21, 15:42
Still no explanation for the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the centre of the small group that organised and carried out the Capitol trespassing.

They were proven to have been heavily involved in the planning and inside the Capitol on Jan 6, yet they have not only been spared arrest, they have not been named.

Why has federal law enforcement given these guys a total free pass?

Is it because they are FBI undercover agents and informants? If so, the FBI knew exactly what was being planned. Indeed, in many cases the unindicted, unnamed co-conpirators planned it themselves.

The FBI and other Washington Deep State organisations knew that there was a plan to invade the Capitol building. They encouraged it (some would say they plotted it) and at best allowed it to happen.

Why did they not ensure greater security at the building given that they knew what was going to happen? Is it because they wanted to use it as a pretext to attack Trump and conservatives, in conjunction with fake news media, social media, democrats and RINOs?

We need to know who the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators are, what their relationship to the FBI and other federal intelligence agencies is, and what their role in the planning was.You aren't, of course, which I'll prove later.

But let's say you're right about these "unindicted co-conspirators". Why would the QOP, virtually to a member, vote against a commission? Wouldn't they want all this to come to light? Of course they would! So voting against bringing these "atrocities" into view was, in essence, voting against their own self-interests. And sine, according to you, the QOP are the smartest MFs around, this doesn't make sense.

As to why you're wrong, well, the primary reason is a complete and utter misunderstanding of what constitutes an "unindicted co-conspirator". Fux "News" and Tucker "You an idiot if you believe anything I say" Carlson first proposed this lunacy. The only people who believe it are trumpers and trump's clown-show legal team.

https://thedispatch.com/p/the-new-january-6-scapegoats

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/25/fact-check-no-evidence-fbi-organized-jan-6-capitol-riot/7753276002/

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/18/technology/misinformation-unindicted-co-conspirators-capitol-riot.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/16/tucker-carlsons-tinfoil-hat-theory-blaming-fbi-jan-6/

Paulie97
07-10-21, 17:33
You aren't, of course, which I'll prove later.

But let's say you're right about these "unindicted co-conspirators". Why would the QOP, virtually to a member, vote against a commission? Wouldn't they want all this to come to light? Of course they would! So voting against bringing these "atrocities" into view was, in essence, voting against their own self-interests. And sine, according to you, the QOP are the smartest MFs around, this doesn't make sense.

As to why you're wrong, well, the primary reason is a complete and utter misunderstanding of what constitutes an "unindicted co-conspirator". Fux "News" and Tucker "You an idiot if you believe anything I say" Carlson first proposed this lunacy. The only people who believe it are trumpers and trump's clown-show legal team.

https://thedispatch.com/p/the-new-january-6-scapegoats

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/25/fact-check-no-evidence-fbi-organized-jan-6-capitol-riot/7753276002/

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/18/technology/misinformation-unindicted-co-conspirators-capitol-riot.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/16/tucker-carlsons-tinfoil-hat-theory-blaming-fbi-jan-6/This seems to be the gist of the matter. It's truly a game of whack a mole when dealing with wingnuts. Once one kooky conspiracy theory is knocked down another pops up. And all so Tucker and other fake news sources can continue to line their pockets drawing crowds of gullible people who need to re-write history and explain away a humiliating election defeat.

"The first thing to emphasize is that Carlson's theory is based on a report in Revolver News. The site is run by Darren Beattie, who appeared on Carlson's show shortly after the above monologue. If that name sounds familiar, it's because Beattie is a former Trump White House speechwriter who was fired in 2018 over a past appearance on a panel with a white nationalist, Peter Brimelow, at a conference attended by well-known white nationalists.

The second and perhaps most important point is that the basis of Carlson's theory — that the unindicted co-conspirators are either likely or must be government agents — is extremely shaky.

Legal experts say the government literally cannot name an undercover agent as an unindicted co-conspirator.

'There are many reasons why an indictment would reference unindicted co-conspirators, but their status as FBI agents is not one of them,' said Jens David Ohlin, a criminal law professor at Cornell Law School.

Added Lisa Kern Griffin of Duke University Law School: 'Undercover officers and informants can't be 'co-conspirators' for the purposes of establishing an agreement to violate the law, because they are only pretending to agree to do so. . An unindicted co-conspirator has committed the crime of conspiracy, and investigative agents doing their jobs undercover are not committing crimes.'

Among the other possible reasons someone might be listed as an unindicted co-conspirator:

The government doesn't know who they are.

The government doesn't have sufficient evidence to indict them and wants to avoid impugning their reputations or compromising ongoing investigations.

They have secured leniency from the government for cooperation with investigations into others.

While all of these are plausible, that last one seems like a distinct possibility. We already know that a founding member of the Oath Keepers, Jon Ryan Schaffer, has agreed to cooperate. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/16/tucker-carlsons-tinfoil-hat-theory-blaming-fbi-jan-6/

Chris P
07-10-21, 20:04
But let's say you're right about these "unindicted co-conspirators". Why would the QOP, virtually to a member, vote against a commission? Because, o ye of little brain, there is no need for a vast, expansive commission, whose real aim is to turn conservative white men into the new kulaks in the neo-bolshevik state that openly anti-white individuals like Kristen Clarke want to replace America with. The idea that you want to completely ignore the carnage, rioting, looting, burning, attacks on federal courthouses and the White House by your far-left communist antifa / BLM buddies over the past year, yet start a "commission" over some trespassing in which a couple of windows were broken, show how utterly and completely brainwashed and morally bankrupt you are.

You have a huge, deep investigation when planes are flown into the WTC and Pentagon, thousands killed and billions of dollars of damage done. You don't have one for one casualty (an unarmed protester) and a couple of broken windows.

It is extremely simple to find out about these unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators. Congress hauls in the top brass of the FBI and asks them.

It may be that the FBI leadership will say under oath that they had no informants and no undercover agents in the tiny splinter groups that planned to trespass in the Capitol, and they had absolutely no idea that it was about to happen. But it may be that they do not. Let's bring them in and find out: that's what Congress is for.

We know that the feds have been rounding up and charging everyone that they could possibly identify, including old grandmas who simply walked into the Capitol through open doors and left after a few minutes. They have even been scouring people's social media and encouraging acquaintances to snitch. This is a full court press by the Deep State to crush absolutely anyone who dared to enter the building.

Yet at the same time, there are dozens of people whose identity they know, and yet whom they have neither charged nor named. Why not? What is the difference between these people and the hundreds of others they have descended upon for walking into the building?

Again, the FBI leadership needs to be brought in and questioned under oath. When the GOP wins back the Congress next year, with a de-RINO'd intake, this will happen and we will get some answers.

Chris P
07-10-21, 20:13
Why? Why did Mitch McConnel direct over a senate GOP vote of 2 for, 35 against, and 9 Chicken-Shit Republican Senators who abstained to block a bill on May 28th to to create an independent inquiry to investigate the deadly January 6 Capitol Hill riot.

The Chicken-Shit republican party has failed you, Chris P.Because an independent inquiry should be held for events such as 9/11, in which planes were flown into the WTC and Pentagon, thousands killed and billions of dollars of damage done; or the the last year of communist antifa / BLM riots, burnings, lootings, and violent attacks on federal buildings, in which law and order collapsed, multiple lives were lost, and billions of dollars of damage were done.

Not for a couple of broken windows and some people walking peacefully through open doors into a building. The only reason January 6 was "deadly" is that a security officer shot dead the unarmed protester Ashli Babbitt. Nobody else was killed in the entire event.

Babbitt's murder should be publicly investigated, as should the curious case of the dozens of unexplained unindicted co-conspirators. (Why are the feds not charging them? Are they informants or undercover agents? What did the feds know about the plans to enter the Capitol?) But that does not come near the level of a huge public inquiry. The democrats and fake news want that in order to use it as a tool to attack conservative white people who are not on board with the GloboHomo agenda.

P.S. Your final sentence is actually true, but not for the reasons you think.

PVMonger
07-11-21, 01:51
Because, o ye of little brain, there is no need for a vast, expansive commission, whose real aim is to turn conservative white men into the new kulaks in the neo-bolshevik state that openly anti-white individuals like Kristen Clarke want to replace America with. The idea that you want to completely ignore the carnage, rioting, looting, burning, attacks on federal courthouses and the White House by your far-left communist antifa / BLM buddies over the past year, yet start a "commission" over some trespassing in which a couple of windows were broken, show how utterly and completely brainwashed and morally bankrupt you are.

You have a huge, deep investigation when planes are flown into the WTC and Pentagon, thousands killed and billions of dollars of damage done. You don't have one for one casualty (an unarmed protester) and a couple of broken windows.

It is extremely simple to find out about these unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators. Congress hauls in the top brass of the FBI and asks them.

It may be that the FBI leadership will say under oath that they had no informants and no undercover agents in the tiny splinter groups that planned to trespass in the Capitol, and they had absolutely no idea that it was about to happen. But it may be that they do not..The QOP didn't want a commission because of money. Hell, the orange buffoon spent like a drunken sailor and the QOP and the rest of the fascists didn't say squat.

There are two (2) real reasons for quashing a committee. The first, of course, is that the insurrection really did happen (despite their, and your, attempts to rewrite history) and the orange fruitcake would be proven guilty of inciting it. The second reason is that the fascist QOP knew that Pelosi would convene a House Select Committee. RepubliKKKans (and KrissyP and KKKanada and the rest of the board's fascists) would cry Partisan and still attempt to rewrite history.

EihTooms
07-11-21, 12:20
...
Not for a couple of broken windows and some people walking peacefully through open doors into a building. The only reason January 6 was "deadly" is that a security officer shot dead the unarmed protester Ashli Babbitt. Nobody else was killed in the entire event.
...See, this is why these videos need to be played on a repeat loop right outside every polling place area from now on and in every highschool before the kids are old enough to register to vote in order to counter all the lies about what happened that day told by Repubs/Trumpsters, even down to the number of people who were killed during the commission of Trump's criminal attack on American democracy.

There are more videos of Trump's mob destroying property, attacking cops, invading and desecrating the Capitol Building still showing up. This one shows the circumstances leading up to and including the necessary shooting of Ashli Babbitt and the crushing, trampling and death of 34 year old Rosanne Boyland by Trump's mob at the event.

https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0

Chris P
07-11-21, 13:42
This seems to be the gist of the matter. It's truly a game blablablaThe simple way to find out who these dozens of undicted co-conspirators are, and what the FBI and other intelligence agencies knew about January 6 before it happened, is for Congress to subpoena the relevant FBI members and question them under oath.

Why would you not want to do that? Do you not think the American people deserve to know?

It may be that your theory is correct that the feds had no idea whatsoever what was going to happen, in which case the FBI leadership will testify to that under oath.

But it may be that they did know what was happening, due to informants and undercover agents in the splinter groups. And that they encouraged and indeed organised the trespassing in the Capitol, in conjunction with the democrats, RINOs, fake news and rest of the Deep State Washington establishment, in order to create a pretext to attack the 75 million Trump supporters and try to strip us of our constitutional rights.

Let's bring them in under oath and find out.

PVMonger
07-11-21, 14:37
From Business Insider.

Business owners say they're struggling to find staff. Not so the CEO of &pizza, a restaurant chain in Washington, DC, who claims that he's been bombarded with job applications.

Michael Lastoria told Insider that business was booming at the pizza chain's 51 locations and all were fully staffed. He said that the secret was paying staff a proper wage.

The crippling US labor shortage has been felt in all corners of the economy, including hospitality and ride-hailing. It's caused some businesses to slash opening hours, cut production, and raise prices. Nearly half of US restaurant owners said they struggled to pay their rent in May because staffing shortages hurt their revenues.

But it hasn't knocked &pizza, Lastoria said.

While opening 12 new locations this year, Lastoria said he'd received well over 100 applications for each job. "Our new locations are fully staffed and we plan to open another 15 by the end of the year," he said.

Lastoria said he'd been able to dodge the labor shortage by leveraging an employee-centric business model that involves paying staff $16 an hour on average, among other benefits.

"We are living proof that the claims that business owners are making about the impossibility of paying people enough money to live on are false," Lastoria said. Those claims were designed to protect the old corporate mindset that permits shockingly high executive pay and staff exploitation, he said.

Employees working at &pizza are entitled to benefits such as paid leave for activism and healthcare, Lastoria said. "We built this company around taking care of workers because without them we wouldn't exist," he said.

The fact that the average minimum wage worker has to work 79 hours a week to afford rent for a one-bedroom apartment is the real crisis, Lastoria said. "There isn't a labor shortage, there is a shortage of business owners willing to pay a living wage.".

"The idea that wages couldn't possibly rise even once over the past 12 years while prices went up, while inflation went up and while the cost of living went up, has resulted in the 'shortage' {business owners} are experiencing today.

"Higher wages lead to greater consumer spending and greater workforce productivity, things every company benefits from. "

A competitive labor market has led to workers "rage-quitting" their jobs to protest poor pay and working conditions. A former employee at Dollar General recently told Insider how she rage-quit her job in the spring of 2021 because of the fraught work environment. Similar incidents have occurred at McDonald's, Chipotle, Hardee's, and Wendy's locations around the US.

Lastoria said: "If you aren't paying your employees enough to cover basic survival costs, what possible incentive could a person have to take that job?

EihTooms
07-12-21, 01:17
From Business Insider.

Business owners say they're struggling to find staff. Not so the CEO of &pizza, a restaurant chain in Washington, DC, who claims that he's been bombarded with job applications.

Michael Lastoria told Insider that business was booming at the pizza chain's 51 locations and all were fully staffed. He said that the secret was paying staff a proper wage.

The crippling US labor shortage has been felt in all corners of the economy, including hospitality and ride-hailing. It's caused some businesses to slash opening hours, cut production, and raise prices. Nearly half of US restaurant owners said they struggled to pay their rent in May because staffing shortages hurt their revenues.

But it hasn't knocked &pizza, Lastoria said.

While opening 12 new locations this year, Lastoria said he'd received well over 100 applications for each job. "Our new locations are fully staffed and we plan to open another 15 by the end of the year," he said.

Lastoria said he'd been able to dodge the labor shortage by leveraging an employee-centric business model that involves paying staff $16 an hour on average, among other benefits.

"We are living proof that the claims that business owners are making about the impossibility of paying people enough money to live on are false," Lastoria said. Those claims were designed to protect the old corporate mindset that permits shockingly high executive pay and staff exploitation, he said.

Employees working at &pizza are entitled to benefits such as paid leave for activism and healthcare, Lastoria said. "We built this company around taking care of workers because without them we wouldn't exist," he said.

The fact that the average minimum wage worker has to work 79 hours a week to afford rent for a one-bedroom apartment is the real crisis, Lastoria said. "There isn't a labor shortage, there is a shortage of business owners willing to pay a living wage.".

"The idea that wages couldn't possibly rise even once over the past 12 years while prices went up, while inflation went up and while the cost of living went up, has resulted in the 'shortage' {business owners} are experiencing today.

"Higher wages lead to greater consumer spending and greater workforce productivity, things every company benefits from. "

A competitive labor market has led to workers "rage-quitting" their jobs to protest poor pay and working conditions. A former employee at Dollar General recently told Insider how she rage-quit her job in the spring of 2021 because of the fraught work environment. Similar incidents have occurred at McDonald's, Chipotle, Hardee's, and Wendy's locations around the US.

Lastoria said: "If you aren't paying your employees enough to cover basic survival costs, what possible incentive could a person have to take that job?Excellent report and post.

Many people think this Republican Party idiocy about how a complex national economy succeeds and thrives rather than fails miserably started with Reagan. No, it started relatively soon after Henry Ford's assembly line mass production concept got into full swing and the idea spread to other industries.

Like the pizza shop owner, Ford understood the key to watching the sales of his product and the products and services of every other industry around his grow and expand, improving his and everyone else's life along the way, was to pay his workers a wage big enough to live on comfortably and, most importantly, with enough left over to buy his product! If that meant he lived high as a wealthy man making only 35-50 times what his employees made instead of as an even wealthier man making 350 times what his employees made, so be it. That is how he made sales skyrocket. There are only so many steak dinners he could eat in a single sitting anyway.

But the wrongheaded Repub concept is to rail against raising the minimum wage, give the already wealthy every leverage to dodge regulations, pay dirt wages, give them disproportionately high tax cuts if they pay any taxes at all and this mythical "Supply-Side/Trickle-Down" miracle will occur. Supposedly, when one of the super wealthy eats 20 steak dinners in a single sitting, well, look at how much business the local butcher shop owner will get just from that one wealthy customer and then the butcher shop owner buy 4 yachts next summer instead of one and the yacht manufacturer will make enough money to buy 6 private planes next year instead of just 2 and gee look at all the money trickling down to everybody. LOL.

Except not even that happened after every Repub attempt to prove that it'll work out thay way someday. Nope. Instead, we got one Great Repub Economic Crash, Depression and Recession after another since the 1920's, only highlighted under Reagan because his was one of the biggest economic declines until Dem Speaker of the House Tip O'neill convinced that addle-brain babbler to abandon his spectacularly failed agenda and start raising some revenue or the entire USA Economy would collapse. Of course, being a Repub he raised it on the wrong people. But it was better than where his "Reaganomics" had taken the country.

Repubs have been making that same mistake so often and with the same disastrous results one can no longer see their consistent economic Crashes as "mistakes." They can only be intentional.

But, hey, Trump saved the country a measly $100 million or so by defunding the CDC, pulling out our front line monitors and responders to threats of viral spreading from China's research labs (too much "regulation" no doubt) and gave massive disproportionate tax cuts to corporations that did not prevent one USA job of the millions lost from being destroyed when the inevitable that Trump was fully warned could happen did indeed happen. Brilliant.

Golfinho
07-12-21, 03:16
Excellent report Like the pizza shop owner, Ford understood the key to watching the sales of his product and the products and services of every other industry around his grow and expand, improving his and everyone else's life along the way, was to pay his workers a wage big enough to live on comfortably and, most importantly, with enough left over to buy his product! If that meant he lived high as a wealthy man making only 35-50 times what his employees made instead of as an even wealthier man making 350 times what his employees made, so be it. That is how he made sales skyrocket. There are only so many steak dinners he could eat in a single sitting anyway.

But the wrongheaded Repub concept is to rail against raising the minimum wage, give the already wealthy every leverage to dodge regulations, pay dirt wages, give them disproportionately high tax cuts if they pay any taxes at all and this mythical "Supply-Side/Trickle-Down" miracle will occur. Supposedly, when one of the super wealthy eats 20 steak dinners in a single sitting, well, look at how much business the local butcher shop owner will get just from that one wealthy customer and then the butcher shop owner buy 4 yachts next summer instead of one and the yacht manufacturer will make enough money to buy 6 private planes next year instead of just 2 and gee look at all the money trickling down to everybody..The money has to trickle somewhere. If it's not going to the tax-gatherers, or to providing a living wage to the citizenry, then where's it going exactly? What did Henry Ford think -- and say -- about these people making 350 times what his employees made?

Chris P
07-12-21, 13:34
The first, of course, is that the insurrection really did happen No matter how often you repeat your fake news talking points, everybody knows they are complete horseshit because everybody knows that an "insurrection" involves hundreds if not thousands of deaths, destroyed buildings, running battles between groups of heavily armed men.

Not a bunch of unarmed people wandering through a building, a couple of broken windows, a single unarmed protester shot dead without cause, and the guy they are supposedly doing the so-called "insurrection" for telling them to go home.

Canada
07-12-21, 14:17
Cubans are rising in protest against their communist leaders over dictatorship and rising prices associated with communism. I wonder how long it will be before USA rises up to protest Biden communism?

Democrats are silent and fake media is silent on this because that is the Biden / Harris agenda.

PVMonger
07-12-21, 19:24
No matter how often you repeat your fake news talking points, everybody knows they are complete horseshit because everybody knows that an "insurrection" involves hundreds if not thousands of deaths, destroyed buildings, running battles between groups of heavily armed men.

Not a bunch of unarmed people wandering through a building, a couple of broken windows, a single unarmed protester shot dead without cause, and the guy they are supposedly doing the so-called "insurrection" for telling them to go home."Everybody knows"? Is that the same "everybody" that Donnie always talks about?

The dictionary definition of the word "insurrection" makes absolutely no mention of deaths, running battles or armed men. Here are examples: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/insurrection and https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/insurrection and https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Insurrection and https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection.

Since you are so convinced that you're right, please feel free to tell me which of the definitions above mention deaths or running battles or armed men.

Just because you and the other 74+ million fascists want to rewrite history with this BS doesn't mean that the rest of the world can't see thru your BS.

Canada
07-12-21, 19:55
The QOP didn't want a commission because of money. Hell, the orange buffoon spent like a drunken sailor and the QOP and the rest of the fascists didn't say squat.

There are two (2) real reasons for quashing a committee. The first, of course, is that the insurrection really did happen (despite their, and your, attempts to rewrite history) and the orange fruitcake would be proven guilty of inciting it. The second reason is that the fascist QOP knew that Pelosi would convene a House Select Committee. RepubliKKKans (and KrissyP and KKKanada and the rest of the board's fascists) would cry Partisan and still attempt to rewrite history.There is only one reason to form a committee. The only reason is to create it is for a distraction for another 4 years like the Russian hoax was to deflect attention from all Biden failing policies. Biden is an idiot and the whole world knows it. Billions of people in the world know how weak, dumb and inadequate Biden is but the democrats need a diversion like an investigation that CNN and MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS can report on daily. If they can focus all the news on this investigation then they hope the world will forget how inept Biden is. Just a diversion for political gain.

PVMonger
07-12-21, 21:11
The simple way to find out who these dozens of undicted co-conspirators are, and what the FBI and other intelligence agencies knew about January 6 before it happened, is for Congress to subpoena the relevant FBI members and question them under oath.

Why would you not want to do that? Do you not think the American people deserve to know?

It may be that your theory is correct that the feds had no idea whatsoever what was going to happen, in which case the FBI leadership will testify to that under oath.

But it may be that they did know what was happening, due to informants and undercover agents in the splinter groups. And that they encouraged and indeed organised the trespassing in the Capitol, in conjunction with the democrats, RINOs, fake news and rest of the Deep State Washington establishment, in order to create a pretext to attack the 75 million Trump supporters and try to strip us of our constitutional rights.

Let's bring them in under oath and find out.Or, you could learn the legal meaning of "unindicted co-conspirator."

Beijing4987
07-12-21, 21:37
Fat Nixon has cancelled his former poodle and former Attorney Fred Flintstone, both for insubordination. Both are penning their memoirs of the last four years. What's a few broken windows, feces and graffiti on the walls, a few cops with tintinitus compared to sanctuary cities burned to the ground.

Beijing4987
07-12-21, 21:53
Cubans are hurting from many years of sanctions. A little bird whispered in my ear that mercenaries from the USA are in Cuba. As Tuckkker would say: "what about that?" Ah, but life, especially ISG is all "whata bouts". How about the Irishman getting his ass kicked again? Anyone here remember the "Monroe Doctrine" ? The US government believes that only a dictator can maintain order and protect US economic interests. US invaded and occupied Haiti from 1915-1934. Chile, Guatemala, Salvador, Nicaragua. Did I miss any whose politics and economies were interfered with since 1823?

Canada
07-12-21, 22:21
Remember when CNN was promoting this Trump hater for president?

Disgraced attorney Michael Avenatti, once heralded by media members and commentators as Possible president of USA. As it turns out he is more honest than Biden. Democrats darling now in prison for 2 1/2 years. Isn't great to see these democrats sponsoring losers and criminals.

Canada
07-12-21, 22:24
Cubans are hurting from many years of sanctions. A little bird whispered in my ear that mercenaries from the USA are in Cuba. As Tuckkker would say: "what about that?" Ah, but life, especially ISG is all "whata bouts". How about the Irishman getting his ass kicked again? Anyone here remember the "Monroe Doctrine" ? The US government believes that only a dictator can maintain order and protect US economic interests. US invaded and occupied Haiti from 1915-1934. Chile, Guatemala, Salvador, Nicaragua. Did I miss any whose politics and economies were interfered with since 1823?Yes Cuba was sanctioned for Communist rule and human rights violations. I know democrats support communism and think sanctions against communism are wrong. But most countries in the world do not support communism.

Villainy
07-12-21, 22:50
Cubans are hurting from many years of sanctions. A little bird whispered in my ear that mercenaries from the USA are in Cuba. As Tuckkker would say: "what about that?" Ah, but life, especially ISG is all "whata bouts". How about the Irishman getting his ass kicked again? Anyone here remember the "Monroe Doctrine" ? The US government believes that only a dictator can maintain order and protect US economic interests. US invaded and occupied Haiti from 1915-1934. Chile, Guatemala, Salvador, Nicaragua. Did I miss any whose politics and economies were interfered with since 1823?Yes we invaded Mexico and forced a sale of most of the US West and Southwest. Why did we invade? We wanted the border between Texas and Mexico to be the Rio Grande instead of the Nueces river. Mostly a pretext to land grab.

We invaded Cuba in order to free the country from Spanish rule. Remember the Maine? That was the warship that blew up in Havana harbor and we accused the Spanish of sabotage but later historical evidence points to carelessness as the main cause.

How about Colombia? Theodore Roosevelt wanted to use the isthmus of Panama so as to build / finish the Panama canal. They reached a preliminary agreement with the Colombian government but the Colombian senate didn't approve the measure. Panama declared independence almost immediately and the US sent naval ships to support the uprising and the US recognized the Republic of Panama a few days later.

Golfinho
07-12-21, 23:46
Cubans are rising in protest against their communist leaders over dictatorship and rising prices associated with communism. I wonder how long it will be before USA rises up to protest Biden communism?

Democrats are silent and fake media is silent on this because that is the Biden / Harris agenda.Communism in the USA? What color's the sky where you are? The Biden Democrats are serving their Corporate masters. How much longer before Americans rise up to protest corporate healthcare, big pharma, and big ag, big tech, the military industrial complex. And the agenda using homosexuals and LGBT as proxy warriors as a means of social control.

EihTooms
07-13-21, 02:52
"Everybody knows"? Is that the same "everybody" that Donnie always talks about?

The dictionary definition of the word "insurrection" makes absolutely no mention of deaths, running battles or armed men. Here are examples: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/insurrection and https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/insurrection and https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Insurrection and https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurrection.

Since you are so convinced that you're right, please feel free to tell me which of the definitions above mention deaths or running battles or armed men.

Just because you and the other 74+ million fascists want to rewrite history with this BS doesn't mean that the rest of the world can't see thru your BS.This cop who voted for Trump in 2016 and who suffered multiple critical injuries including a heart attack from the tasing and beating he got at the hands of the Trump mob on January 6 could easily have been an 8th death connected directly to that event.

He is now on a mission to call "BULLSHIT!" on anyone in or out of office falsely characterizing that Trump-led attack on him, his fellow cops and everyone else at the Capitol Building as anything other than an Insurrection.

Listening to him in an interview today he was particularly riled up by the new Big Lie that Trump and FUX News are peddling that Ashli Babbitt was "shot in the head" while climbing "out" of a window as though she was one of those non existent peaceful tourists in retreat that day.

She was shot in the shoulder, which, contrary to what happens in the movies, can and in this case was a fatal wound as she was climbing through a broken window INTO the chamber where, thanks to Repub congressional bullshitters delaying the Constitutionally mandated recording of the votes, House members were still present and therefore the shooter had no choice but to honor his or her oath to protect those lives and did exactly the right thing.

Capitol police officer who was assaulted during Capitol riot calls ‘bull****’ on Republicans downplaying violence.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/capitol-hill-riots-bodycam-officer-b1847655.html

You can watch the necessary shooting of Ashli Babbitt, made necessary by HER actions and those of the other Trump Insurrectionists who bashed in those windows for her to be the first of them to climb INTO the area where House members were still present and therefore under threat of assassination starting at around the 25 minute mark on the video link I posted previously.

PVMonger
07-13-21, 04:08
Remember when CNN was promoting this Trump hater for president?

Disgraced attorney Michael Avenatti, once heralded by media members and commentators as Possible president of USA. As it turns out he is more honest than Biden. Democrats darling now in prison for 2 1/2 years. Isn't great to see these democrats sponsoring losers and criminals.You must've been thinking about this article: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/05/politics/michael-avenatti-donald-trump-2020/index.html that says "Add it all up and the idea of Avenatti even being taken seriously as a candidate is decidedly far-fetched."

Anybody who thought that this tongue-in-cheek article was anything other than that is definitely smoking whacky tabaccy.

PVMonger
07-13-21, 04:18
There is only one reason to form a committee. The only reason is to create it is for a distraction for another 4 years like the Russian hoax was to deflect attention from all Biden failing policies. Biden is an idiot and the whole world knows it. Billions of people in the world know how weak, dumb and inadequate Biden is but the democrats need a diversion like an investigation that CNN and MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS can report on daily. If they can focus all the news on this investigation then they hope the world will forget how inept Biden is. Just a diversion for political gain.Evidently RepubliKKKans didn't think that way about Bengazi.

PVMonger
07-13-21, 14:29
The fact that trump lies a lot is well known.

But here he is finally telling the truth. https://news.yahoo.com/trump-admits-calls-polls-fake-142943552.html.

Canada
07-13-21, 15:26
You must've been thinking about this article: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/05/politics/michael-avenatti-donald-trump-2020/index.html that says "Add it all up and the idea of Avenatti even being taken seriously as a candidate is decidedly far-fetched."

Anybody who thought that this tongue-in-cheek article was anything other than that is definitely smoking whacky tabaccy.It wasn't the article it was CNN and MSNBC having him on their programs that said he was presidential material. He was their star because he hated Trump. That is the democratic criteria for running for president. If you hate Trump you are a democrat star and possible president of USA.

PVMonger
07-13-21, 18:38
It wasn't the article it was CNN and MSNBC having him on their programs that said he was presidential material. He was their star because he hated Trump. That is the democratic criteria for running for president. If you hate Trump you are a democrat star and possible president of USA.Get over it. 81+ million people we were smart enough to vote for Biden while 74+ million were blind enough to vote for the orange buffoon. The orange buffoon lost.

What was it you said in 2017? Something about fuck my feelings? Guess what? The shoe is now on the other foot.

PVMonger
07-13-21, 21:00
No matter how often you repeat your fake news talking points, everybody knows they are complete horseshit because everybody knows that an "insurrection" involves hundreds if not thousands of deaths, destroyed buildings, running battles between groups of heavily armed men.

Not a bunch of unarmed people wandering through a building, a couple of broken windows, a single unarmed protester shot dead without cause, and the guy they are supposedly doing the so-called "insurrection" for telling them to go home.Evidently, this is what fascists call peaceful https://twitter.com/i/status/1414741805552308224..

The rest of us call this violence.

Canada
07-14-21, 17:42
The fact that trump lies a lot is well known.

But here he is finally telling the truth. https://news.yahoo.com/trump-admits-calls-polls-fake-142943552.html.Biden lies to all America on the Texas voting laws and only one Liberal media calls him out on it. Washington Post called him on his lies. All other media ignores Biden lies.

Biden still not Communist Cuba for their treatment of their citizens. He is showing the world that he and the socialists that call them selves democrats still support Cuba and Venezuela communism.

Biden shows the world that he wants to destroy America with socialism / communism.

Beno69
07-15-21, 16:45
Biden shows the world that he wants to destroy America with socialism / communism.About the fascist Nazi Trump:

https://tru.belu.ch/Trump%20Nazi.mp4

PVMonger
07-15-21, 17:17
Biden lies to all America on the Texas voting laws and only one Liberal media calls him out on it. Washington Post called him on his lies. All other media ignores Biden lies.

Biden still not Communist Cuba for their treatment of their citizens. He is showing the world that he and the socialists that call them selves democrats still support Cuba and Venezuela communism.

Biden shows the world that he wants to destroy America with socialism / communism.You have shown, in numerous posts, that you don't have the foggiest idea what either communism or socialism is.

Try educating yourself.

Canada
07-15-21, 21:16
You have shown, in numerous posts, that you don't have the foggiest idea what either communism or socialism is.

Try educating yourself.I like millions of other Americans listened to him like about Georgia voting laws. Millions of people heard it. I guess you missed it or ignored it like the rest of the socialist buffoons.

EihTooms
07-15-21, 21:16
About the fascist Nazi Trump:

https://tru.belu.ch/Trump%20Nazi.mp4The creator of Godwins Law explains why some Nazi comparisons dont break his famous Internet rule
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/08/14/the-creator-of-godwins-law-explains-why-some-nazi-comparisons-dont-break-his-famous-internet-rule/

And in a link within that article:

"By all means compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I"m with you."
...
And Godwin himself took to Facebook to let everyone know that if it walks like a Nazi and talks like a Nazi, you better let people know what it really is.

General Mark A. Milley, Trump's own Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the nations highest-ranking military officer, and the principal military advisor to the President, Secretary of Defense, and National Security Council, nailed it when he compared Trump's walk and talk (and of Trump's supporters) to that of Hitler.

Canada
07-15-21, 21:18
About the fascist Nazi Trump:

https://tru.belu.ch/Trump%20Nazi.mp4Don't waste our time on this site with fake news. No one reads your links to fake liberal sites. Just confirms your lack of common sense.

Canada
07-15-21, 21:22
Get over it. 81+ million people we were smart enough to vote for Biden while 74+ million were blind enough to vote for the orange buffoon. The orange buffoon lost.

What was it you said in 2017? Something about fuck my feelings? Guess what? The shoe is now on the other foot.11,000,000 were illegals voting.

1,000,000 voters were dead.

5,000,000 voters were criminals.

5,000,000 were fabricated voters.

Biden probably got about 60,000,000 legal votes.

EihTooms
07-15-21, 21:39
Kremlin papers appear to show Putins plot to put Trump in White House.
Exclusive: Documents suggest Russia launched secret multi-agency effort to interfere in US democracy.
Thu 15 Jul 2021
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

...They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscows strategic objectives, among them social turmoil in the US and a weakening of the American presidents negotiating position.

The report No 32-04 \ vd is classified as secret. It says Trump is the most promising candidate from the Kremlins point of view. The word in Russian is "perspektivny."
...
There is a brief psychological assessment of Trump, who is described as an impulsive, mentally' unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex.

There is also apparent confirmation that the Kremlin possesses kompromat, or potentially compromising material, on the future president, collected the document says from Trumps earlier non-official visits to Russian Federation territory.
...
"Moscow would gain most from a Republican victory, the paper states.This could lead to a social explosion that would in turn weaken the US president, it says. There were international benefits from a Trump win, it stresses. Putin would be able in clandestine fashion to dominate any US-Russia bilateral talks, to deconstruct the White Houses negotiating position, and to pursue bold foreign policy initiatives on Russias behalf, it says.

ScatManDoo
07-15-21, 22:57
5,000,000 voters were criminals.Tightening up the voting rules would get rid of those inappropriate republican votes.

Horatio
07-15-21, 23:25
Be truthful who do you think had more impact on trump becoming president, Putin or Hillary Clinton?


Kremlin papers appear to show Putins plot to put Trump in White House.
Exclusive: Documents suggest Russia launched secret multi-agency effort to interfere in US democracy.
Thu 15 Jul 2021
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

EihTooms
07-16-21, 04:28
Be truthful who do you think had more impact on trump becoming president, Putin or Hillary Clinton?Without Putin bombarding the always receptive anti-Dem media with anti-Clinton horseshit and (R)Comey pulling that last minute unprecedented pro-Repub/Trump stunt while working mightily to keep the REAL invesigation of Team Trump's extraordinary connection and collusion with the Russian government under wraps, the direction of the polls leading up to that last minute (R)Comey stunt would not have gone slightly south for Clinton at the worst possible moment and at least the necessary 1% or so Trump votes in each of just 2 states (Florida and Michigan) would have gone to Clinton instead.

And that means we would not have had those 2 Bear Market Crashes, millions upon millions of USA jobs destroyed, 620,000+ American deaths, Trillion$ required to be added to the Trump deficits, a violent anti-America Insurrection, the more serious than ever new ongoing Repub threat to American democracy and our ability to travel and monger easily anywhere in the world hobbled perhaps for the rest of our mongering lifetimes, even for those in their 40s.

No way to know if Putin's efforts or (R)Comey's efforts alone were enough to shift those 2 states' votes by about 1% or not. But both of their efforts combined sure did the trick, by a hair.

Putin, the Repubs and the always receptive anti-Dem media would have come up with whatever horseshit they needed to keep it as close as it was no matter who the Dem nominee was. There was nothing about Clinton that made her significantly more vulnerable than another Dem nominee in that regard.

Golfinho
07-16-21, 04:40
Without Putin bombarding the receptive media with anti-Clinton horseshit and (R)Comey pulling that last minute unprecedented pro-Repub/Trump stunt while working mightily to keep the REAL invesigation of Team Trump's extraordinary connection and collusion with the Russian government under wraps the direction of the polls leading up to that last minute (R)Comey stunt would not have gone slightly south and at least the necessary 1% or so Trump votes in each of just 2 states (Florida and Michigan) would have gone to Clinton instead. And that means we would not have had 2 Bear Market Crashes, millions upon millions of USA jobs destroyed, 620,000+ American deaths and our ability to travel and monger easily anywhere in the world perhaps hobbled forever.

No way to know if Putin's efforts or (R)Comey's efforts alone were enough to shift those 2 states' votes by about 1% or not. But both of their efforts combined sure did the trick by a hair.Hillary Clinton needed no help to self-destruct her campaign. She did it all by herself, with an assist from the mainstream US media which took short term profits by filling American TV screens with Trumpnews throughout the election cycle. The democrats were so out of touch that they nominated perhaps the most divisive figure in the country to head their ticket. Just about anybody would have defeated that tone deaf harridan.

John Clayton
07-16-21, 04:59
Be truthful who do you think had more impact on trump becoming president, Putin or Hillary Clinton?I believe Putin was amazingly effective for the relatively small time and effort the Russians put in. I think we are inherently a very misogynistic country, maybe even more than we are racist. The Russians certainly are masters of disinformation and have learned from more than a century of study how to manipulate our simple minds. I suspect the extent of their (ongoing) disinformation campaign, as well as the kompromat that Putin has over Trump, are not yet fully known.

Canada
07-16-21, 13:05
Tightening up the voting rules would get rid of those inappropriate republican votes.Congratulations you are the one and only democrat that isn't trying to block tightening up the voting rules. The rules are the same for both parties. If democrats are too lazy to get an ID then I agree it will hurt their candidates. But for the good of USA if you are to lazy you probably should not be voting.

Vagabundo1
07-16-21, 13:10
https://nypost.com/2021/07/15/blm-shows-its-true-colors-in-statement-praising-cuba/

The admin is going to fail in its Cuba and latam policy.

PVMonger
07-16-21, 14:09
11,000,000 were illegals voting.

1,000,000 voters were dead.

5,000,000 voters were criminals.

5,000,000 were fabricated voters.

Biden probably got about 60,000,000 legal votes.As usual, no sources.

PVMonger
07-16-21, 14:16
And Trump? 30 Mio?. Or less?Using the same sources as the OP, trump received less than 1,000 votes.

The rest of the votes came from (1) vending machines that were programmed to hack into voting machines and switch votes from Biden to trump, (2) dishonest poll workers who filled out ballots for trump and entered them, (3) Qanon hackers, and (4) dead people.

MiamiSammy
07-16-21, 14:57
11,000,000 were illegals voting.

1,000,000 voters were dead.

5,000,000 voters were criminals.

5,000,000 were fabricated voters.

Biden probably got about 60,000,000 legal votes.Your ignorance appears to be complete. Show me evidence of this that doesn't come from Breitbart of a YouTube video. Put down the koolaid and get some help- or at least get back on your meds.

MiamiSammy
07-16-21, 14:58
Don't waste our time on this site with fake news. No one reads your links to fake liberal sites. Just confirms your lack of common sense.You and your batshit crazy idiots are the only ones with fake news. It's time for you to slither back under your rock- especially if it's in Canada.

MiamiSammy
07-16-21, 14:59
Biden lies to all America on the Texas voting laws and only one Liberal media calls him out on it. Washington Post called him on his lies. All other media ignores Biden lies.

Biden still not Communist Cuba for their treatment of their citizens. He is showing the world that he and the socialists that call them selves democrats still support Cuba and Venezuela communism.

Biden shows the world that he wants to destroy America with socialism / communism.Congratulations. You've shown yourself to be the most ignorant person posting on this website- and that's quite a low bar.

PVMonger
07-16-21, 18:02
Congratulations you are the one and only democrat that isn't trying to block tightening up the voting rules. The rules are the same for both parties. If democrats are too lazy to get an ID then I agree it will hurt their candidates. But for the good of USA if you are to lazy you probably should not be voting.While "the rules" might be the same, the effects are not.

To wit: Texas. Texas doesn't accept a student ID but accepts a hunting license. Why? Because students are likely to vote blue. You can come up with all the justification you want but but it is all bogus.

You want fair? How about a national policy? But rethuglicans are against that because they can't manipulate the rules in red states.

PVMonger
07-16-21, 21:23
https://nypost.com/2021/07/15/blm-shows-its-true-colors-in-statement-praising-cuba/

The admin is going to fail in its Cuba and latam policy.As usual, the NY Post can't tell whether to carry their lunch or walk to work.

Beijing4987
07-16-21, 22:05
Congratulations. You've shown yourself to be the most ignorant person posting on this website- and that's quite a low bar.KKKanada should at least find a middle school student to edit posts for grammar. Also, the content is always the same BS lies and drivel. How about covering the misunderstood Brittany Spears?

Paulie97
07-16-21, 22:13
As usual, the NY Post can't tell whether to carry their lunch or walk to work.Ironic indeed, folks sourcing the NY Post, Fox, and the World Tribune complaining about "fake news. " Such informs us why they usually source nothing at all. Otherwise it's too embarrassing.

Canada
07-16-21, 22:35
While "the rules" might be the same, the effects are not.

To wit: Texas. Texas doesn't accept a student ID but accepts a hunting license. Why? Because students are likely to vote blue. You can come up with all the justification you want but but it is all bogus.

You want fair? How about a national policy? But rethuglicans are against that because they can't manipulate the rules in red states.The big difference is that to get a hunting license in the state you have to show a drivers license to get it. In most states your drivers license number is on your hunting license. To get a student ID you can show a license or birth certificate from any state or any country. If you are not a citizen of USA you can still get a student ID.

Are you really stupid enough to think that all the students in the USA are all USA citizens and all go to the university in their state?

Canada
07-16-21, 22:38
Congratulations. You've shown yourself to be the most ignorant person posting on this website- and that's quite a low bar.Why isn't Biden condemning Communist leaders in Cuba. You are either against communism like all Republicans or you are for communism like Biden and most of you smart socialists on this forum.

Chris P
07-17-21, 13:49
The big difference is that to get a hunting license in the state you have to show a drivers license to get it. In most states your drivers license number is on your hunting license. To get a student ID you can show a license or birth certificate from any state or any country. If you are not a citizen of USA you can still get a student ID.

Are you really stupid enough to think that all the students in the USA are all USA citizens and all go to the university in their state?Excellent post as usual. American universities have tons of foreign students. That's not necessarily a bad thing, as they pay a ton of money to live and study here (though many student visas are used as immigration fraud rackets, which ICE and Homeland were fighting against until Biden's handlers blocked them). But the point is that a student ID is no guarantee whatsoever that you are a US citizen with the right to vote.

Chris P
07-17-21, 14:17
First of all, the Arizona election has been proven fraudulent. Major props to the patriots who saw the audit through in the face of wild allegations and tongue-gnawing from the fake news democrat / RINO establishment who for some reason didn't want their fraid to be examined. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/16/arizona-audit-74243-mail-in-ballots-returned-with-no-clear-record-of-them-being-sent/.

Next up is Georgia, the most obviously fraudulent of the swing states - https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/16/georgia-secretary-of-state-explains-why-hes-just-now-discovering-more-than-10000-illegal-votes-cast-in-2020/ - followed soon by Pennsylvania: https://www.oann.com/oans-christina-bobb-discusses-pa-s-forensic-investigation-of-2020-election/.

The GOP members, even if they are personally RINO cuckservatives, have realized that if they do not push for transparency and election integrity they will lose their next primary to someone who will. Congratulations to the tens of millions of patriotic Republican voters who have made this clear to them.

Secondly, a federal judge has correctly ruled DACA unconstitutional. Expect this to be upheld by the Supremes. Adios! https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/16/kris-w-kobach-daca-is-finally-dead-at-last/.

Finally, and perhaps best of all, two third of southern Republicans (and nearly half of southerners overall) want to secede from the federal government. And in the Pacific West, nearly half of democrats (and 40% overall) want the same. https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1415352953909649409.

This is entirely sensible. The blue-haired trannny communists and illegal Guatemalan goblins who make up the bulk of the Pacific West have absolutely nothing in common with the traditional heritage Americans who make up the South. The former are in fact openly hostile to the latter, who are belatedly realizing it and offering pushback at last. Expect these figures to go up until secession becomes inevitable.

*There are still many good people living away from the coasts in the Western states; they obviously don't want to get lumped in with the communist illegals and there is already a push for these areas to join heritage American states such as Idaho (see the Greater Idaho Project). We will effectly isolate the left in their coastal holdouts where they can try to live off Hollywood movies that nobody watches, shitty apps that people are leaving daily, Wall Street funnymoney scams, and. Fishing?

Chris P
07-17-21, 15:23
God save the Queen and english grammar. KKKanada should at least find a middle school student to edit posts for grammar. Also, the content is always the same BS lies and drivel. How about covering the misunderstood Brittany Spears?"English" should be capitalized. And it's "Britney", not "Brittany". A middle school student could have helped you with both of those basic errors.

Beijing4987
07-17-21, 18:28
"English" should be capitalized. And it's "Britney", not "Brittany". A middle school student could have helped you with both of those basic errors.Ok. Let's discuss English grammar. I could care less if she's Britney with a y or ie or with one or two t’s . My main point was that one can not be understood well when using poor syntax. My second point was the grasping at straws by the right wing to find issues that make the base salivate. The congressman from Florida is involved in a sex scandal and needs to divert attention elsewhere. Let's also discuss the effect pollster Frank Luntz, who came up with plenty of zingers for the Republican Party. He advocated use of vocabulary crafted to produce a desired effect; including the use of the term death tax instead of estate tax and climate change instead of global warming" A comma in the text of the Second Amendment has been focused on by the right wing to make a talking point. I can admit to mistakes, even if they are not so consequential, and not blame spell check. Middle school students have been warned to avoid me because of my taste for their pituitary glands.

PVMonger
07-17-21, 18:50
First of all, the Arizona election has been proven fraudulent. Major props to the patriots who saw the audit through in the face of wild allegations and tongue-gnawing from the fake news democrat / RINO establishment who for some reason didn't want their fraid to be examined. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/16/arizona-audit-74243-mail-in-ballots-returned-with-no-clear-record-of-them-being-sent/.

Next up is Georgia, the most obviously fraudulent of the swing states - https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/16/georgia-secretary-of-state-explains-why-hes-just-now-discovering-more-than-10000-illegal-votes-cast-in-2020/ - followed soon by Pennsylvania: https://www.oann.com/oans-christina-bobb-discusses-pa-s-forensic-investigation-of-2020-election/.

The GOP members, even if they are personally RINO cuckservatives, have realized that if they do not push for transparency and election integrity they will lose their next primary to someone who will. Congratulations to the tens of millions of patriotic Republican voters who have made this clear to them.

Secondly, a federal judge has correctly ruled DACA unconstitutional. Expect this to be upheld by the Supremes. Adios! https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/16/kris-w-kobach-daca-is-finally-dead-at-last/.Every source you cited is a bogus, rightwingnut scandal sheet. The "National Enquirer" has more credibility. At least the Enquirer talks about real stuff like actresses giving birth to alien lizard people, Megan's drug secret exposed and, certain to be of interest to homophobic rethuglicans, who's gay and who's not.

Chris P
07-17-21, 19:26
The congressman from Florida is involved in a sex scandal and needs to divert attention elsewhere. Let's also discuss the effect pollster Frank Luntz, who came up with plenty of zingers for the Republican Party. He advocated use of vocabulary crafted to produce a desired effect; including the use of the term death tax instead of estate tax and climate change instead of global warming" First, the Matt Gaetz thing was a failed scam to extort money from Gaetz's father (who is very rich) to try and free some Robert Levinson, a Jewish spy captured in Iran several years ago. That is on the record; even the fake news acknowledges it (but of course they put it at the bottom of page 76 so nobody sees it).

David McGee, a swamp creature ex-federal prosecutor, approached Gaetz Sr demanding the kickback before anything was in the media. They expected the Gaetzes to fold in the face of fake news smears but to their immense credit they refused. This was 6 months ago, and despite the inevitable fake news hysteria there have been no charges and no victims produced. The great thing is that this proves Republicans need no longer fear the fake news media. Nobody believes a word they say any more. And every time they cook up a fake storm that produces nothing (like Trump / Russia, and now this) their credibility falls further into the toilet where it belongs.

As for Frank Luntz, he is the very definition of a RINO cuckservative, and no friend of heritage Americans and our country. The media had to stop calling it "global warming" because temperatures aren't going up. All the "models" they created back in the 90's had proven completely false (rather like the "models" of covid deaths, and everything else they do) so they had to make up some other bullshit to protect their narrative and explain why all the predictions were wrong. So they said: "Er. Well. It's not just warming you see. Er, it. It. It's change. Yeah, that'll do! Climate change!" I've seen explanations that wouldn't be out of place in a Monty Python movie: "the extra heat is causing glaciers to break off and move further south, which makes the wind colder, which is why the planet isn't getting warmer". LOL.

As for death tax, people have already paid taxes on their money: why should they have to pay it again at the end of their life?

Chris P
07-17-21, 19:29
Every source you cited is a bogus blablablaQuick reply as usual I see.

Bogus sources? Nope, there was no sign of CNN, MSNBC, NYT, BezosBlog, NBC, ABC, CBS, Buzzfeed or Daily Beast. And readers will note yet again you were incapable of addressing the points made.

John Clayton
07-17-21, 19:39
...The blue-haired trannny communists and illegal Guatemalan goblins who make up the bulk of the Pacific West have absolutely nothing in common with the traditional heritage Americans who make up the South. The former are in fact openly hostile to the latter, who are belatedly realizing it and offering pushback at last. Expect these figures to go up until secession becomes inevitable...You have to marvel at the internal processes that cause these thought processes. Clearly, there is something physically pleasurable and addictive (although, it can't be good for one in the long run) about the fear response -- Fox and OANN have tapped into that. Republican politicians fundraise off of it. You would think that the desperate fear and anxiety would eventually burn out, especially when confronted with all the failed, fear creating predictions: Biden's election will crater the stock market, masks cause Covid, vaccinations cause infertility or mind control, AOC is the antichrist, Trump is playing 3 dimensional chess, Trump will be reinstated in August, Trump is a competent businessman, Trump did not try to overthrow Congress. Putin did not try to get Trump elected, Putin does not have kompromat on Trump, Q is real, Covid is not dangerous, George Soros and Hillary Clinton drink the blood of virgins, etc.

Unfortunately, it appears that once a person becomes fully invested in an apocalyptic cult, there is nothing in the real world that can bring them back to reality. The fact that Biden didn't tank economy or that Covid killed an unvaccinated friend only cause very painful cognitive dissonance. Their few remaining friends and family are alienated from them. To mitigate this pain, they have to constantly proselytize others to their beliefs, and erect an iincreasingly increbible set of defenses. As reality inevitably encroaches and their worldview becomes untenable, they often feel they are forced to advance the apocalypse. There is little we can do to help them. Many, in desperation, commit suicide.

PVMonger
07-17-21, 20:02
The big difference is that to get a hunting license in the state you have to show a drivers license to get it. In most states your drivers license number is on your hunting license. To get a student ID you can show a license or birth certificate from any state or any country. If you are not a citizen of USA you can still get a student ID.

Are you really stupid enough to think that all the students in the USA are all USA citizens and all go to the university in their state?43 states out of 50 (86%) accept student IDs. Do you think that 86% of the country is wrong?

https://www.campusvoteproject.org/student-id-as-voter-id

Beijing4987
07-17-21, 21:35
We warned you about the man behind the curtain. Good for you that the Wicked Witch of The West recovered from the neurological problems causing her to stumble and slur her speech during the 2016 campaign. She can still be blamed for a lot. Ah, but you have moved on from the Benghazi investigations. Got to a worldwide problem to solve. You forgot to mention your ultimate (final) solution. Put all the trannies starving and victimized Guatemalans, and child molester Democrats in Gitmo?

Canada
07-17-21, 22:05
We warned you about the man behind the curtain. Good for you that the Wicked Witch of The West recovered from the neurological problems causing her to stumble and slur her speech during the 2016 campaign. She can still be blamed for a lot. Ah, but you have moved on from the Benghazi investigations. Got to a worldwide problem to solve. You forgot to mention your ultimate (final) solution. Put all the trannies starving and victimized Guatemalans, and child molester Democrats in Gitmo?Good post! Looks like you are finally getting it figured out. Maybe a little to harsh on the Guatemalans but just right on the child molester democrats.

PVMonger
07-17-21, 22:18
We warned you about the man behind the curtain. Good for you that the Wicked Witch of The West recovered from the neurological problems causing her to stumble and slur her speech during the 2016 campaign. She can still be blamed for a lot. Ah, but you have moved on from the Benghazi investigations. Got to a worldwide problem to solve. You forgot to mention your ultimate (final) solution. Put all the trannies starving and victimized Guatemalans, and child molester Democrats in Gitmo?Rethuglicans want do do worse than put' them in Gitmo.

If they had their way (and they will if they win both houses of Congress along with the orange buffoon winning in 2024), they will:

1. build concentration camps for every non-white and non-straight person in the US;.

2. change voting laws so that only white property owners can vote;.

3. outlaw abortion;.

4. outlaw all religion except evangelical christianity.

5. outlaw guns except for white folks.

6. outlaw the teaching of history in schools.

7. outlaw vaccinations.

Golfinho
07-17-21, 23:04
43 states out of 50 (86%) accept student IDs. Do you think that 86% of the country is wrong?

https://www.campusvoteproject.org/student-id-as-voter-idThe Democrats make a big show of characterizing Republicans as denying citizens the vote. But the reality is neither Party wants to change the fact that voter turnout in the USA is among if not the lowest in the world. An engaged citizenry would not accept the meager choices on the ballot and the narrow spectrum of the political debate -- and they know it. If everyone was registered and obliged to vote, the sham choice of the two parties nominees would be exposed.

Chris P
07-17-21, 23:11
You have to marvel at blablablaTl; dr. How's Leningrad?

P.S. I don't know a single person in all my many and varied acquaintances who has died of covid, or even been hospitalised. Probably because the average age of death is mid-80's, with multiple co-morbidities, ie they were sadly on the way out anyway. You lockdown squealers have been sold a bill of goods by your globohomo leaders and fake news media. Thank god for the likes of Ron DeSantis, who have created havens for the sane to flee to, as so many have from New York.

(By the way, whatever happened to his democratic gubernatorial rival, Andrew Gillum?

If you ever realised how badly you have been lied to, about covid, Fentanyl Floyd, all the way back to the 1965 Immigration Bill ("It won't change the demographics of America" - Edward "Chappaquidick" Kennedy) the cognitive dissonance would give you an aneurysm so bad you wouldn't even have to bother with suicide.

Chris P
07-17-21, 23:14
Good post! Looks like you are finally getting it figured out. Maybe a little to harsh on the Guatemalans but just right on the child molester democrats.I agree. The Guatemalans can just go home. And the tranny wing of the camps will be easier and more focused on psychiatric therapy to treat their mental illness. The medieval stuff will be reserved for the child molester democrats.

ScatManDoo
07-17-21, 23:20
First of all, the Arizona election has been proven fraudulent. Major props to the patriots who saw the audit through in the face of wild allegations and tongue-gnawing from the fake news democrat / RINO establishment who for some reason didn't want their fraid to be examined. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/16/arizona-audit-74243-mail-in-ballots-returned-with-no-clear-record-of-them-being-sent/It would appear that you either did not read the Breitbart article concerning the marathon Arizona election audit, or your feble mind could not understand the article.

I would like to give you the benefit of doubt that you were not just flat-out intentionally lying when you wrote "the Arizona election has been proven fraudulent. "

But your past false boasts (I. E. Mispreresentations) about what other articles you cited have stated. Well, its a reasonable conclusion.

What the Breitbart article actually reported was the head of the company conducting the partisan forensic audit of the November 2020 election results in Maricopa County did find 74,243 Mail-In Ballots were received and counted by Arizona that had 'No Clear Record of Them Being Sent'.

These "auditors" have not completed their examination. The company head did not say there was no record, just no "clear" record. In time, with more disclosure on his part, we should know what he meant.

These 74,243 mail-in ballots each have names and addresses, yet none of these voters has been contacted to confirm if, and how they voted or requested mail-in ballots.

Nor have the "auditors" apparently exhausted their investigation to verify that the "Record of sent ballots" the auditors were using were the total & complete record.

An accurate summary of that Breibart article it that auditors have raised concerns of mail-in ballot irregularities.

Not that election fraud has been proven. (that's just a lie a this point).

I look forward to seeing future reports about the from Arizona Audit, and what lies from our posters are made about it.

Over 74 k of specifically identifiable irregular mail-in ballots is certainly worth deeply looking into for a state won by around 11,000 of 3. 1 million votes cast.

If the company head turns out to be credible, this could be a serious indication of election fraud.

But election fraud in 2020 in Arizona has not yet been proven, despite what Chris Pee want to falsely claim.

Chris P
07-17-21, 23:57
It would appear that you either did not read the Breitbart article concerning the marathon Arizona election audit, or your feble mind could not understand the article.
Over 74 k of specifically identifiable irregular mail-in ballots is certainly worth deeply looking into for a state won by around 11,000 of 3. 1 million votes cast. If the company head turns out to be credible, this could be a serious indication of election fraud.Protip: when you want to accuse someone of possessing a "feeble mind", try to spell it correctly, otherwise you end up looking even dumber than usual.

But the rest of the post is surprisingly sane. In addition to the 74 k mail-in ballots that were never mailed, there are 168,000 ballots found to be printed on unofficial paper: IE they are fraudulent and fake. GOP Majority Senators are already calling for indictments and decertification of the result.

Georgia next!

Paulie97
07-18-21, 01:27
It would appear that you either did not read the Breitbart article concerning the marathon Arizona election audit, or your feble mind could not understand the article.

I would like to give you the benefit of doubt that you were not just flat-out intentionally lying when you wrote "the Arizona election has been proven fraudulent. "

But your past false boasts (I. E. Mispreresentations) about what other articles you cited have stated. Well, its a reasonable conclusion.

What the Breitbart article actually reported was the head of the company conducting the partisan forensic audit of the November 2020 election results in Maricopa County did find 74,243 Mail-In Ballots were received and counted by Arizona that had 'No Clear Record of Them Being Sent'.

These "auditors" have not completed their examination. The company head did not say there was no record, just no "clear" record. In time, with more disclosure on his part, we should know what he meant.

These 74,243 mail-in ballots each have names and addresses, yet none of these voters has been contacted to confirm if, and how they voted or requested mail-in ballots.It seems to me that they need to get back to the rice paper theory, test the paper on these ballots to see if they were flown in from China. Lololol But yea, as is typically the case when Chris finally gets around to linking a source, it's doesn't say what he wants it to, and that's sad indeed when referencing the crooks at Breitbart and this partisan farce of an election audit.

The same can be said of the Federalist, a wingnut source with a history of spreading Covid disinformation. They openly admitted that nothing was proven in Georgia other than that some voters had moved recently to a different county but voted at the polling place associated with their prior address. The article also acknowledged that this historically happens often, and all over the country though it's against the rules in some states. It also isn't established that enough votes were at stake for a given candidate to overturn the results. And it's only now that anyone has suggested that votes should be tossed on such a technicality. But yea, the sore losers had many months to bring such concerns before courts and have found no relief.

PVMonger
07-18-21, 02:56
Tl; dr. How's Leningrad?

P.S. I don't know a single person in all my many and varied acquaintances who has died of covid, or even been hospitalised. Probably because the average age of death is mid-80's, with multiple co-morbidities, ie they were sadly on the way out anyway. You lockdown squealers have been sold a bill of goods by your globohomo leaders and fake news media. Thank god for the likes of Ron DeSantis, who have created havens for the sane to flee to, as so many have from New York.

(By the way, whatever happened to his democratic gubernatorial rival, Andrew Gillum?

If you ever realised how badly you have been lied to, about covid, Fentanyl Floyd, all the way back to the 1965 Immigration Bill ("It won't change the demographics of America" - Edward "Chappaquidick" Kennedy) the cognitive dissonance would give you an aneurysm so bad you wouldn't even have to bother with suicide."Globhomo"? Gee, you're a homophobe? Who'd a thunk it? 99.8% of rethuglicans are. 99% are xenophobes. 98.9% are misogynists. 99.99% are racists.

Yep, thank providence for DeSantis and the other idiot rethuglican governors who are killing off rethuglican voters. I hope that all rethuglicans don't get vaccinated because they all deserve exactly what they get.

Keep up the good work!

Ty Down
07-18-21, 04:40
..........

Beno69
07-18-21, 05:01
Trump wonFacts: https://up.picr.de/41643899ot.pdf?rand=1626581521.

Paulie97
07-18-21, 05:09
..........Contrary to popular belief in Trump world, saying something is so doesn't make it so. Not to mention that the Trump administration is long gone, as the people have spoken.

Xpartan
07-18-21, 05:45
..........In a way he did.

In just 4 years he's turned America in a country where a formerly mainstream political party has been overtaken by ultra-right extremists, and where unscrupulous political hacks don't feel the need to even hide their shamelessness anymore, while they're dismantling our democracy.

He didn't start this process of course, that honor belongs to another lump of human trash, Newt Gingrich.

But he's done more to achieve this transformation than anyone before him.

Putin's henchmen had all the reasons to toast his victory in 2016, and there're even more reasons now. Congrats to us all.

PVMonger
07-18-21, 12:06
Protip: when you want to accuse someone of possessing a "feeble mind", try to spell it correctly, otherwise you end up looking even dumber than usual.

But the rest of the post is surprisingly sane. In addition to the 74 k mail-in ballots that were never mailed, there are 168,000 ballots found to be printed on unofficial paper: IE they are fraudulent and fake. GOP Majority Senators are already calling for indictments and decertification of the result.

Georgia next!Stop believing the orange fruitcake. He is wrong 99.99% of the time.

Here's the reality, taken from the Detroit News:

"TRUMP: "168,000 fraudulent ballots printed on illegal paper (unofficial ballots)".

The facts: All of that is false. The ballots were not unofficial or printed on illegal paper, and even Logan never alleged they were fraudulent.

Logan pointed to ballots with the printing slightly offset between the front and back. He claimed this could cause votes to be counted for the wrong candidate if ink from one side bleeds through to another. He said the alignment issues were mostly from polling-place ballots, which are printed onsite, and said about 168,000 ballots were cast that way. The overwhelming majority of Arizona voters cast ballots by mail."

But wait, there's more!

In fact, this source debunks everything you have previously said, anything you are saying now and, probably, everything you will say in the future about the Arizona election.

P.S. Is the market UP or down since the orange buffoon was kicked to the curb? Remember that he told everybody that Biden would tank the market! Guess he was as wrong about that as he was about Arizona, huh?

Canada
07-18-21, 13:06
In a way he did.

In just 4 years he's turned America in a country where a formerly mainstream political party has been overtaken by ultra-right extremists, and where unscrupulous political hacks don't feel the need to even hide their shamelessness anymore, while they're dismantling our democracy.

He didn't start this process of course, that honor belongs to another lump of human trash, Newt Gingrich.

But he's done more to achieve this transformation than anyone before him.

Putin's henchmen had all the reasons to toast his victory in 2016, and there're even more reasons now. Congrats to us all.In just 6 months he has turned America into a world laughing stock. In just 6 months he has divided the country more than previous 10 years. In just 6 months he has enhanced racism and hatred. In just 6 months crime in America has exploded. In just 6 months gas prices and inflation are reaching record levels. In just 6 months are borders are in a crises with drugs and illegals, trafficking and crime.

Russia and China and socialists are toasting his 2020 victory as USA weakens.

EihTooms
07-18-21, 15:02
Hillary Clinton needed no help to self-destruct her campaign. She did it all by herself, with an assist from the mainstream US media which took short term profits by filling American TV screens with Trumpnews throughout the election cycle. The democrats were so out of touch that they nominated perhaps the most divisive figure in the country to head their ticket. Just about anybody would have defeated that tone deaf harridan.Then what about Al Gore and John Kerry? Or were they even more divisive than Hillary Clinton?

Phony Repub "outrage" and pro Repub mainstream media will always figure out a way to keep the horse race so close even the Dem getting MILLIONS more votes than all but one Dem and every Repub before her could lose to a loon like Trump just as the nominees above lost to a proven numbskull and disaster like G.W. Bush.

There is no way any of those contests could have been won by the Repub without mainstream media making herculean efforts to "Bothsides" the Dem down and the Repub up and in one case to practically read Putin's script against the Dem and for the Repub word for word.

Hell, she even got more individually cast primary votes than the only presidential nominee in history who got more votes than she got in the general election up until then. Obama got the nomination in 2008 only because the Super Delegates carried him over the finish line at the end, not because he won more individual primary votes than Clinton.

America did not suffer the plague of Donald J. Trump because Hillary Clinton was a bad nominee. Don't blame that mess on her or the DNC that nominated her. So-called "president Trump" was not Hillary Clinton's fault. Blame it on the idiot voters who allowed themselves to be bamboozled into it by Putin, (R)Comey and the media that loves to keep the race close even though there is no way on god's green earth it ever ought to be.

Paulie97
07-18-21, 16:07
What the Breitbart article actually reported was the head of the company conducting the partisan forensic audit of the November 2020 election results in Maricopa County did find 74,243 Mail-In Ballots were received and counted by Arizona that had 'No Clear Record of Them Being Sent'..Is yet another viral conspiracy theory pounced on by wingnut media and the likes of Lauren Hobert. Big Yawn. It's why no mainstream source, including Fox, bothered bother covering it. It's what happens when you have a bunch of Trump cultist, partisan amateurs fumbling over an election audit.

"Facts First: There is no evidence of either fraud or any significant error with these ballots, and certainly not "magically appearing ballots. " Both Maricopa County and outside experts say there is a simple explanation for the gap Logan claimed had not been explained: the existence of in-person early voting. Contrary to Logan's claims, the ballot lists he was talking about include not only mail-in ballots but also ballots cast early in person.

Here's why it's entirely normal for Maricopa County's submitted-ballots list to include a significant number of votes that do not match up with entries on the requested-ballots list. After the deadline to request a mail-in ballot, which was October 23 in 2020, the requested-ballot list doesn't get updated by the county. But the submitted-ballots list does get updated after that October 23 deadline — with the votes of in-person early voters. "

https://countryhighlights.com/us-news/fact-check-arizona-audit-chief-baselessly-raises-suspicion-about-74000-ballots/

PVMonger
07-18-21, 16:26
In just 6 months he has turned America into a world laughing stock. In just 6 months he has divided the country more than previous 10 years. In just 6 months he has enhanced racism and hatred. In just 6 months crime in America has exploded. In just 6 months gas prices and inflation are reaching record levels. In just 6 months are borders are in a crises with drugs and illegals, trafficking and crime.

Russia and China and socialists are toasting his 2020 victory as USA weakens.In 6 months, republiKKKans have gone from condemning the orange buffoon for the insurrection to trying to rewrite history.

In 6 months, everybody in the world (except trump voters) no longer wake up to wondering what the orange fruitcake rage tweeted overnight.

In 6 months, nobody has had to worry about what the president* lied about yesterday.

In 6 months, rethuglicans have gone from crazy to the lunatic fringe.

In 6 months, I have begun to love the taste of trumper tears.

Canada
07-18-21, 20:18
Is yet another viral conspiracy theory pounced on by wingnut media and the likes of Lauren Hobert. Big Yawn. It's why no mainstream source, including Fox, bothered bother covering it. It's what happens when you have a bunch of Trump cultist, partisan amateurs fumbling over an election audit.

"Facts First: There is no evidence of either fraud or any significant error with these ballots, and certainly not "magically appearing ballots. " Both Maricopa County and outside experts say there is a simple explanation for the gap Logan claimed had not been explained: the existence of in-person early voting. Contrary to Logan's claims, the ballot lists he was talking about include not only mail-in ballots but also ballots cast early in person.

Here's why it's entirely normal for Maricopa County's submitted-ballots list to include a significant number of votes that do not match up with entries on the requested-ballots list. After the deadline to request a mail-in ballot, which was October 23 in 2020, the requested-ballot list doesn't get updated by the county. But the submitted-ballots list does get updated after that October 23 deadline with the votes of in-person early voters. "

https://countryhighlights.com/us-news/fact-check-arizona-audit-chief-baselessly-raises-suspicion-about-74000-ballots/Yes it is entirely normal for 74,000 illegal ballots for Votes for Biden for Maricopa County. It is entirely normal for democrats to cheat in Maricopa County. But the fact checkers will say that they didn't cheat on purpose and that it was an honest mistake of cheating.

Canada
07-18-21, 20:24
Stop believing the orange fruitcake. He is wrong 99.99% of the time.

Here's the reality, taken from the Detroit News:

"TRUMP: "168,000 fraudulent ballots printed on illegal paper (unofficial ballots)".

The facts: All of that is false. The ballots were not unofficial or printed on illegal paper, and even Logan never alleged they were fraudulent.

Logan pointed to ballots with the printing slightly offset between the front and back. He claimed this could cause votes to be counted for the wrong candidate if ink from one side bleeds through to another. He said the alignment issues were mostly from polling-place ballots, which are printed onsite, and said about 168,000 ballots were cast that way. The overwhelming majority of Arizona voters cast ballots by mail."

But wait, there's more!Maricopa cheats in the election and al these people trying to explain it is someone else's fault or the ink fault. Bottom line is they cheated and now they are caught. Simple as that.

Trump is correct. Market will tank if Biden raises taxes and puts stupid regulations on business. Fortunately he has done nothing and the market is still churning forward on Trump policies. America is still benefiting from Biden doing nothing and hopefully he continues.

Canada
07-18-21, 20:29
Contrary to popular belief in Trump world, saying something is so doesn't make it so. Not to mention that the Trump administration is long gone, as the people have spoken.Trump administration may be gone but we still have Trump policy. Fortunately Biden has done nothing in his first 6 months on 98% of businesses so Trump economy and Trump stock market are still very strong.

Biden has been able to reverse Trump policies on oil drilling so obviously the oil companies have to raise prices and USA has to start importing expensive oil again from OPEC so Biden has successfully raised gasoline prices to record highs.

PVMonger
07-19-21, 03:49
Yes it is entirely normal for 74,000 illegal ballots for Votes for Biden for Maricopa County. It is entirely normal for democrats to cheat in Maricopa County. But the fact checkers will say that they didn't cheat on purpose and that it was an honest mistake of cheating.Apparently it is entirely normal for trumpers to reject any evidence they don't believe. The fact checkers, BTW, said that the orange buffoon (and, by extension, all of the QOP lunatic fringe) completely misunderstood (gee, no new news there) the meaning of the two reports in question.

What no trumper has ever explained is why there was no election fraud in Houston? Or Dallas. Or Cleveland. Or Columbus. Or Charlotte. Or St. Louis. Or Seattle. Or Denver or the hundreds of other "failing Democrat run cities". Did these cities do things right? Hell, Colorado has mail-in voting for the entire state. There was no fraud there? Why aren't the orange buffoon and the QOP investigating these cities?

PVMonger
07-19-21, 03:55
Maricopa cheats in the election and al these people trying to explain it is someone else's fault or the ink fault. Bottom line is they cheated and now they are caught. Simple as that.

Trump is correct. Market will tank if Biden raises taxes and puts stupid regulations on business. Fortunately he has done nothing and the market is still churning forward on Trump policies. America is still benefiting from Biden doing nothing and hopefully he continues.Fact: Your lord and savior, the orange buffoon, said the market would tank unless he was reelected. He said it before the election.

This wasn't hyperbole. And the market has gone up.

The orange buffoon lied. Again.

Which makes you wrong. Again.

PVMonger
07-19-21, 14:28
Yes it is entirely normal for 74,000 illegal ballots for Votes for Biden for Maricopa County. It is entirely normal for democrats to cheat in Maricopa County. But the fact checkers will say that they didn't cheat on purpose and that it was an honest mistake of cheating.Maybe, just maybe, you can stop rage-posting long enough to read the following:

"Here's why it's entirely normal for Maricopa County's submitted-ballots list to include a significant number of votes that do not match up with entries on the requested-ballots list. After the deadline to request a mail-in ballot, which was October 23 in 2020, the requested-ballot list doesn’t get updated by the county. But the submitted-ballots list does get updated after that October 23 deadline — with the votes of in-person early voters..

Logan's suggestion of some sort of unsolved mystery was definitively debunked by Garrett Archer, an election analyst at ABC15 television in Phoenix and a former official in the Arizona secretary of state's office, who is known locally and on Twitter for his mastery of the state's elections data.

Archer explained that the county stops updating the requested-ballots list, known as "EV32," after the last day people can request a mail ballot, October 23. So ballots cast in person after October 23, Archer said, were included on the submitted-ballots list, known as "EV33," but did not have a corresponding item on the "EV32" requested-ballots list.

Archer analyzed the files and found that there were 74,241 ballots on the submitted-ballots list without a corresponding entry on the requested-ballots list — nearly identical to the figure Logan cited, "74,243. " But Archer found that more than 99.9% of the ballots in question were recorded in the submitted-ballots list on October 26 or later.

That is in line with the October 23 cut-off date Archer had previously noted for the requested-ballots list.

The explanation: October 24 and 25 were weekend days when county clerks didn't update the submitted-ballot list, Archer said, so they added the ballots cast by in-person voters on those weekend days to the submitted-ballot totals starting on October 26.

"This is a glaring omission in the analysis," Archer tweeted of the auditors. "It is either grossly negligent for failing to see a pattern of ballots being returned after a certain date or the statements were deliberately misleading."

Tammy Patrick, an elections expert who spent more than a decade working at Maricopa County's elections department, also said on Twitter that the requested-ballots list stops getting updated 11 days before Election Day but the submitted-ballots list continues to get updated until the day before Election Day..

Patrick tweeted of the auditors: "Again: They don't know what they're looking at. "

Archer said the two EV files are created for the benefit of the political parties' campaign efforts and not meant to be comprehensive records of all ballots, so they are not ideal documents for a forensic audit. The county made a similar remark on Twitter, calling them "not the proper files to refer to for a complete accumulating of all early ballots sent and received."

Meanwhile, some citizens interpreted Logan's remarks as a claim that the total number of mail-in ballots the county recorded as received was higher than the total number the county recorded as having sent out. We don't think that's what Logan actually said, but for the record, Maricopa County tweeted on Friday that this was not true, either.

Without the access Logan's team has, we can't say for certain that there are no errors or issues with the two lists; it's entirely possible that some issue or another will be uncovered at some point. It's possible, Archer said, that there were clerical errors with the small number of ballots — 29 — that he found had been recorded on the submitted-ballots list before October 26 but did not have a corresponding entry on the requested-ballots list.

But Logan had suggested there was a massive, unsolved data problem. Experts have made clear that he simply did not understand the data..

See. There was no cheating. The head of the sham audit didn't have a clue what he was looking at and then blathered on in such a way that the trumpets thought he knew what he was talking about.

Canada
07-19-21, 18:57
Maybe, just maybe, you can stop rage-posting long enough to read the following:

"Here's why it's entirely normal for Maricopa County's submitted-ballots list to include a significant number of votes that do not match up with entries on the requested-ballots list. After the deadline to request a mail-in ballot, which was October 23 in 2020, the requested-ballot list doesnt get updated by the county. But the submitted-ballots list does get updated after that October 23 deadline with the votes of in-person early voters..

Logan's suggestion of some sort of unsolved mystery was definitively debunked by Garrett Archer, an election analyst at ABC15 television in Phoenix and a former official in the Arizona secretary of state's office, who is known locally and on Twitter for his mastery of the state's elections data.

Archer explained that the county stops updating the requested-ballots list, known as "EV32," after the last day people can request a mail ballot, October 23. So ballots cast in person after October 23, Archer said, were included on the submitted-ballots list, known as "EV33," but did not have a corresponding item on the "EV32" requested-ballots list.

Archer analyzed the files and found that there were 74,241 ballots on the submitted-ballots list without a corresponding entry on the requested-ballots list nearly identical to the figure Logan cited, "74,243. " But Archer found that more than 99.9% of the ballots in question were recorded in the submitted-ballots list on October 26 or later..Cheaters always make up several excuses when they are caught cheating. They start saying it wasn't intentional. They start blaming someone else. They hide things and spread misinformation to create confusion. Bottom line is they cheated and they were caught. When cheaters are caught they claim it wasn't their fault. And now when the republicans are trying to stop them from cheating next election they are fighting it at every level. The cheaters in Texas are running and hiding in DC.

Canada
07-19-21, 19:03
Fact: Your lord and savior, the orange buffoon, said the market would tank unless he was reelected. He said it before the election.

This wasn't hyperbole. And the market has gone up.

The orange buffoon lied. Again.

Which makes you wrong. Again.Listen to the experts. Biden has done nothing in his 6 months so Trump economy and stock market will be strong. It will even overcome the panic on the virus that is lowering the market by 2% today. The experts say if Biden does nothing in next 6 months like he has done for the past 48 years our economy will be strong. Biden, Harris, Pelosi and Shumer are the only real threats to the economy. So bottom line: Listen to the experts not the fake news.

Canada
07-19-21, 19:06
Apparently it is entirely normal for trumpers to reject any evidence they don't believe. The fact checkers, BTW, said that the orange buffoon (and, by extension, all of the QOP lunatic fringe) completely misunderstood (gee, no new news there) the meaning of the two reports in question.

What no trumper has ever explained is why there was no election fraud in Houston? Or Dallas. Or Cleveland. Or Columbus. Or Charlotte. Or St. Louis. Or Seattle. Or Denver or the hundreds of other "failing Democrat run cities". Did these cities do things right? Hell, Colorado has mail-in voting for the entire state. There was no fraud there? Why aren't the orange buffoon and the QOP investigating these cities?That is a good question. Why did the democrats only cheat in 5 or 6 states. I think the answer is that they thought they could get Biden elected by cheating in these states. They didn't need the other states. Another theory could be that only 50% of democrats are cheaters and that there actually are some honest democrats. Probably not but maybe.

Paulie97
07-19-21, 20:13
Maybe, just maybe, you can stop rage-posting long enough to read the following:He isn't going to read it. He will continue to ignore the rebuttals or dismiss them as "fake news" while repeating the same lies over and over. Trump taught his sheep well.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition

P.S. The good news is that there are many lurkers around that never post. You type for them, not him.

PVMonger
07-19-21, 22:11
https://johnpavlovitz.com/2021/07/16/the-sadness-of-sharing-a-country-with-trump-supporters/?fbclid=IwAR2TVNWulifqWTq1VuRl6TihsYi3-klp5zrIj7Eu-Wv3Nnhb9ERNvnjHbkM

The Sadness of Sharing a Country With Trump Supporters.

A similar thing happens to me on many mornings lately.

My eyes open and I suddenly become aware that I'm awake. My mind quickly begins assembling the first few seconds of my day (making plans, organizing my checklist, contemplating dinner already), when a terrible interruption breaks in and reminds me:

People actually still support that unhinged madman. They admire him. They look up to him. They feel affinity with him. They are fighting for him.

The realizations turn my stomach and I consider going back to sleep but know that I can't. I replay conversations in my head with people from the day before and I scan my timeline and I think about the family members I no longer speak to and I struggle once more to make any sense of it all.

I see people regurgitating fictional Fox News talking points and hear them parroting back conspiratorial nonsense and I watch them pass by with his name affixed to their heads and attached to their bumpers in cultic adoration—and it grieves me to know how far gone so many around me seem to be. I no longer recognize the place I've always called home.

And I know that I'm not alone. I know that right now, variations of these thoughts are being played out millions of times inside the heads of people all over this country; empathetic human beings like me who have found the reservoirs of hope dangerously low and who can't seem to shake the profound sense of dread hovering always in the periphery of their daily life.

It's simply demoralizing sharing a country with people who think Donald Trump is someone worth emulating: to be surrounded by that kind of moral inversion every single day, to be continually encountering such cruelty. It's a source of profound and sustained grieving to believe that everyone deserves to be treated with dignity and afforded opportunity—and to know how many simply do not share that belief. I don't hate these people but I am deeply saddened by them.

It isn't just the reality of the despicable human being who we've allowed to ascend to the Presidency that beings that sadness, though that would be reason enough for despair. It's the ugliness we've seen in our neighbors as he's made his way there, and perhaps even worse now following his departure: the doubling down despite all we know about his reckless and incompetence. It's the sickness that the America we love has shown itself afflicted with: the weight of every horrible reality about our nation; all our bigotry and discord and hatred set upon our chests, hampering our breath.

But it's much closer than that, too.

It's the words we've heard from family members, the stuff we learned about our neighbors, the social media posts from church friends, the incendiary sermons from our pastors, the arguments we've had with co-workers. Every square inch of life seems polluted now. Nothing about this place feels untouched by the ugliness.

And the question becomes: How do we transform this near paralyzing sense of sadness into something redemptive?

As with all grief, eventually there must be movement. When there is profound loss of any kind, the only real path is forward; to craft something beautiful and meaningful and life-affirming in response to what has been taken away. You learn to walk again, even if it is with a limp. You begin the painful, laborious act of living in direct opposition to your grief.

It is the same in these days for those of us who feel cheated out of a kinder, more diverse, more decent America than the one we now have. Individually and collectively we will have to be the daily, bold, defiant pushback against all that feels wrong here.

This pushback will come in the small things; in the art we create and the conversations we have and the quiet gestures of compassion that are barely visible.

It will come in the way we fully celebrate daily life; having dinner with friends, driving through the countryside, playing in the yard with our children, laughing at a movie we love.

It will come as we loudly and unapologetically speak truth where truth is not welcome.

It will come as we connect with one another on social media and in faith communities and in our neighborhoods, and as we work together to demand accountability from our elected officials and our neighbors.

It will come as we use the shared resources of our experience and our talents and our numbers to ensure that our children inherit a world worth being here for.

It will come as we transform our grief into goodness.

Yes friend, there is a great deal to grieve over in these days and there will be more to ahead—but there is even more worth fighting for.

So yes grieve, but then move.

Be fueled by your sadness, strengthened by your anger, fortified by your discontent, and do something in this day that moves the needle toward beauty and justice.

And find a way to keep moving forward, even if it is with a limp.

Unfortunately trumpets will not have a clue as to what this means.

Chris P
07-19-21, 22:34
Yep, thank providence for DeSantis..You finally put together five words which are true! That's a first. BTW in case you didn't know, his democrat gubernatorial opponent, Andrew Gillum, was found in 2020 in a drug-addled state of unconsciousness in a hotel room with a homosexual rent boy and quantities of crystal meth. Gillum is married with children. (As an aside, in January 2019 the Florida Commission on Ethics found probable cause that Gillum violated state ethics laws). Expect to see him running for democrat presidential candidate in 2024.

I see you've gone on another unhinged fake news copy-paste posting rampage. None of it changes the reality that Arizona was stolen, and thanks to courageous patriots we now know it. Georgia is next (that was the most obvious fraud so will be easiest) followed by PA.

Your cognitive dissonance, and that of millions of others like you brainwashed since elementary school by fake news and leftist teachers unions, will never allow you to accept reality. It would simply be too much for you to handle: the entire basis of your life undermined.

That's ok. You can have your society, with socialism, unlimited illegal immigrants on welfare, affirmative action, blue-haired trannies, child strippers, thoughtcrime laws, no Second Amendment, bedwetting over the covid and climate hoaxes, etc. Just don't demand that sane heritage Americans be part of it. Let's agree to separate. We'll keep our demographics, guns, free speech and capitalism, go our separate ways, and see who ends up better.

Something similar happened 70 years ago, and very soon people from the socialist countries were begging to get into the free countries. Unfortunately, they then undermined the free countries, leading to the situation we have now. So I'm afraid you'll be stuck with your Guatemalan goblins, MS-13 gangbangers, BLM riots, and Kamala cackling as they burn down your house.

Chris P
07-19-21, 22:38
Trump won....He did indeed, sir. He did indeed.

PVMonger
07-20-21, 00:31
That is a good question. Why did the democrats only cheat in 5 or 6 states. I think the answer is that they thought they could get Biden elected by cheating in these states. They didn't need the other states. Another theory could be that only 50% of democrats are cheaters and that there actually are some honest democrats. Probably not but maybe.As usual, you do a "whatabout" intead of answering questions directly.

So, assuming you can read, I'll ask again: Why was there was no election fraud in Houston? Or Dallas. Or Cleveland. Or Columbus. Or Charlotte. Or St. Louis. Or Seattle. Or Denver or the hundreds of other "failing Democrat run cities". Why isn't the orange buffoon not investigating these cities. Did these cities do things right? It looks like you're trying to hide something!

Hell, Colorado has mail-in voting for the entire state. There was no fraud there?

Canada
07-20-21, 02:43
https://johnpavlovitz.com/2021/07/16/the-sadness-of-sharing-a-country-with-trump-supporters/?fbclid=IwAR2TVNWulifqWTq1VuRl6TihsYi3-klp5zrIj7Eu-Wv3Nnhb9ERNvnjHbkM

The Sadness of Sharing a Country With Trump Supporters.

A similar thing happens to me on many mornings lately.

My eyes open and I suddenly become aware that I'm awake. My mind quickly begins assembling the first few seconds of my day (making plans, organizing my checklist, contemplating dinner already), when a terrible interruption breaks in and reminds me:

People actually still support that unhinged madman. They admire him. They look up to him. They feel affinity with him. They are fighting for him.

The realizations turn my stomach and I consider going back to sleep but know that I can't. I replay conversations in my head with people from the day before and I scan my timeline and I think about the family members I no longer speak to and I struggle once more to make any sense of it all...Yes I believe it must be real difficult for a socialist living in a country with Trump supporters. It must be difficult to live with the hard working Trump Americans who love the USA, honor the flag and stand for the National Anthem. It must be difficult for you to put up with the Trump Americans that pay taxes and hire people that fund your welfare and subsistence checks. It must be difficult for you to see black Trump supporters succeeding and contributing to society. It is just so unfair that hard working Americans white, black, brown or any race support Trump and succeed by working hard.

It must be difficult for you socialists to see Trump supporters honoring ever religion.

It must be difficult for you socialists to see Trump supporters support law and order and police and our military.

It must be difficult for you to be an American when you hate everything the flag and our country stands for.

But it must be easy for you to be pathetic and a drain on society.

EihTooms
07-20-21, 04:36
https://johnpavlovitz.com/2021/07/16/the-sadness-of-sharing-a-country-with-trump-supporters/?fbclid=IwAR2TVNWulifqWTq1VuRl6TihsYi3-klp5zrIj7Eu-Wv3Nnhb9ERNvnjHbkM

The Sadness of Sharing a Country With Trump Supporters.

A similar thing happens to me on many mornings lately.

My eyes open and I suddenly become aware that I'm awake. My mind quickly begins assembling the first few seconds of my day (making plans, organizing my checklist, contemplating dinner already), when a terrible interruption breaks in and reminds me:

People actually still support that unhinged madman. They admire him. They look up to him. They feel affinity with him. They are fighting for him.

The realizations turn my stomach and I consider going back to sleep but know that I can't. I replay conversations in my head with people from the day before and I scan my timeline and I think about the family members I no longer speak to and I struggle once more to make any sense of it all.

I see people regurgitating fictional Fox News talking points and hear them parroting back conspiratorial nonsense and I watch them pass by with his name affixed to their heads and attached to their bumpers in cultic adorationand it grieves me to know how far gone so many around me seem to be. I no longer recognize the place I've always called home.

And I know that I'm not alone. I know that right now, variations of these thoughts are being played out millions of times inside the heads of people all over this country; empathetic human beings like me who have found the reservoirs of hope dangerously low and who can't seem to shake the profound sense of dread hovering always in the periphery of their daily life.

It's simply demoralizing sharing a country with people who think Donald Trump is someone worth emulating: to be surrounded by that kind of moral inversion every single day, to be continually encountering such cruelty. It's a source of profound and sustained grieving to believe that everyone deserves to be treated with dignity and afforded opportunityand to know how many simply do not share that belief. I don't hate these people but I am deeply saddened by them.

It isn't just the reality of the despicable human being who we've allowed to ascend to the Presidency that beings that sadness, though that would be reason enough for despair. It's the ugliness we've seen in our neighbors as he's made his way there, and perhaps even worse now following his departure: the doubling down despite all we know about his reckless and incompetence. It's the sickness that the America we love has shown itself afflicted with: the weight of every horrible reality about our nation; all our bigotry and discord and hatred set upon our chests, hampering our breath.
...I agree with his analysis and sentiment, of course, but we must not lose sight of the fact that the destruction of American principles, the cruelty, the demoralization and creating national depression and sadness is very much the Trumpster Repubs' point. And whatever disaster it takes for the country if not the world to facilitate that outcome is merely the price of admission to their fun, fun, fun of "owning the libs." Or so they think. Therefore, expressing the proper and appropriate feelings about what they have wrought as that writer did only fuels their lifelong dream efforts to "own the libs."

Now, by "libs" I mean anyone who doesn't support Trump and the Repubs and believes Tucker Carlson's lies.

Instead, I think a kind of reverse psychology that works on a 5 year old might be in order;

Convince them that we non Trumpster Repub Tucker-believers LIKE major Recessions/Depressions during every presidential term, that we LIKE massive USA Job destruction by the millions, that we LIKE horrific "Once in 100 years!" national security and healthcare disasters, that we LIKE stock and housing market Crashes, that we LIKE historically counterproductive border control moves at the beginning that devolve into shameful international scandal and embarrassment by the end, that we LIKE skyrocketing deficits that produce no noticeable economic improvement whatsoever, etc. You get the idea.

That is probably the only way to get them to grow bored with their weird brand of fun, fun, fun and stop bothering to vote for Repubs. And that is definitely the only way for the country to stop producing those horrific results.

John Clayton
07-20-21, 05:14
... the reality that Arizona was stolen, and thanks to courageous patriots we now know it. Georgia is next (that was the most obvious fraud so will be easiest) followed by PA.

Your cognitive dissonance, and that of millions of others like you brainwashed since elementary school by fake news and leftist teachers unions, will never allow you to accept reality. It would simply be too much for you to handle: the entire basis of your life undermined....There really is no reaching someone once they have descended into this toilet bowl of belief. Was it the (drunken) poet Charles Bukowski who said something like, "...intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence... "?

The other thing I have noted, besides the panic that pervades their diatribes, are the constant references to Democrats' navet, blindness, ignorance -- that they are mindless "sheeple". There was another quote, maybe from the movie "The Sting", that was something like, "...the best grift works by convincing the mark that they're part of the con... ". I would be interested in finding out how much money Chris P or the other victims have given to "billionaire" Trump for the campaign, his legal fees, or to uncover "election fraud". I know it's very difficult for anyone to admit having been defrauded. To protect their fragile sense of self, they have to construct these elaborate and always more fantastic arguments because they are subconsciously aware that they have been cheated.

Xpartan
07-20-21, 06:23
https://johnpavlovitz.com/2021/07/16/the-sadness-of-sharing-a-country-with-trump-supporters/?fbclid=IwAR2TVNWulifqWTq1VuRl6TihsYi3-klp5zrIj7Eu-Wv3Nnhb9ERNvnjHbkM

The Sadness of Sharing a Country With Trump Supporters.

A similar thing happens to me on many mornings lately.

My eyes open and I suddenly become aware that I'm awake. My mind quickly begins assembling the first few seconds of my day (making plans, organizing my checklist, contemplating dinner already), when a terrible interruption breaks in and reminds me:

People actually still support that unhinged madman. They admire him. They look up to him. They feel affinity with him. They are fighting for him.Excellent article.

How grownups can be so blind is beyond me.

Perhaps, there is more than meets the eye about this cult of personality. People have heavily invested in the Red Menace, mentally and emotionally. Admitting now that they were wrong would be a shock and painful bruise to their ego.

All other explanations are even worse.

Smoothy
07-20-21, 06:50
The realizations turn my stomach and I consider going back to sleep but know that I can't. I replay conversations in my head with people from the day before and I scan my timeline and I think about the family members I no longer speak to and I struggle once more to make any sense of it all.

How do we transform this near paralyzing sense of sadness into something redemptive?

As with all grief, eventually there must be movement. When there is profound loss of any kind, the only real path is forward; to craft something beautiful and meaningful and life-affirming in response to what has been taken away. You learn to walk again, even if it is with a limp. You begin the painful, laborious act of living in direct opposition to your grief.Thanks for sharing this whiney drivel. I think you have just discovered a good candidate to be the poster child for the word "snowflake". He even admits to not speaking to his own family members due to politics. Pathetic. He probably gets his material from Brian Stelter. Both seemingly nice guys full of sanctimony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUrW1eoj57Y

PVMonger
07-20-21, 12:53
Cheaters always make up several excuses when they are caught cheating. They start saying it wasn't intentional. They start blaming someone else. They hide things and spread misinformation to create confusion. Bottom line is they cheated and they were caught. When cheaters are caught they claim it wasn't their fault. And now when the republicans are trying to stop them from cheating next election they are fighting it at every level. The cheaters in Texas are running and hiding in DC.BT (before trump) most people in the US believed in Occam's Razor, the belief that the simplest explanation is preferable to one that is more complex.

So, in the case of the Arizona election sham election fraud nonsense, Occam's Razor would have us believing as true that the investigator misused two reports to come up with the 74 K ballot difference.

Not trumpets, though. Nope. They believe that the ghost of Hugo Chavez was involved with the programming of Jewish space lasers that changed the code in the Dominion voting machines and then changed the code back after the election and that accounts for the ballot difference.

Yep, option #2 seems so much more believable.

PVMonger
07-20-21, 13:21
Excellent article.

How grownups can be so blind is beyond me.

Perhaps, there is more than meets the eye about this cult of personality. People have heavily invested in the Red Menace, mentally and emotionally. Admitting now that they were wrong would be a shock and painful bruise to their ego.

All other explanations are even worse.I'm glad that you can give them the benefit of the doubt. But, unfortunately, the situation is worse.

Minorities have known for a long time that ugly attitudes have simmered just below the surface of the American lifestyle. But those attitudes were rarely public and when they were, it was always in the context of "skinheads" or some other equally obnoxious group. In private, though, these people told jokes about blacks, Pollacks, gays, etc and thought they were funny.

But trump brought all of that hate to the surface and out into the open. Supporters of the orange buffoon could now, in public, voice their hatred of people of color ("What do you get when you cross a black and a Mexican? A thief that's too lazy to steal. " of LGBTQ folks, of Muslims, of Jews and, frankly, of anybody who was different from them.

Even the MAGA slogan was meant to evoke that kind of reaction. Nobody can argue against Make America Great. But the "Again"? Why was that necessary? It was necessary because America had had 8 years of (gasp) a black President. In trump's mind, and in the minds of his supporters, American being "ruled" (that's what they thought) by a black man was the ultimate indignity. That's why the "Again" was needed in the slogan and that's why trumpets love it.

Just read the unhinged rantings of some posters. You see how deep and pervasive the hatred is. "Basket of deplorables" was accurate but "basket" was far too small of a container because there are 74 million of them.

EihTooms
07-20-21, 14:12
There really is no reaching someone once they have descended into this toilet bowl of belief. Was it the (drunken) poet Charles Bukowski who said something like, "...intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence... "?

The other thing I have noted, besides the panic that pervades their diatribes, are the constant references to Democrats' navet, blindness, ignorance -- that they are mindless "sheeple". There was another quote, maybe from the movie "The Sting", that was something like, "...the best grift works by convincing the mark that they're part of the con... ". I would be interested in finding out how much money Chris P or the other victims have given to "billionaire" Trump for the campaign, his legal fees, or to uncover "election fraud". I know it's very difficult for anyone to admit having been defrauded. To protect their fragile sense of self, they have to construct these elaborate and always more fantastic arguments because they are subconsciously aware that they have been cheated.Yes. And, along with Xpartan's point about their having invested so much (not just money) into someone who turned out to be the worst of the worst and conned them every step of the way, they now have to frantically defend their earlier, spectacularly bad judgement...

Generally but never conclusively attributed to Mark Twain:
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."

Canada
07-20-21, 16:15
As usual, you do a "whatabout" intead of answering questions directly.

So, assuming you can read, I'll ask again: Why was there was no election fraud in Houston? Or Dallas. Or Cleveland. Or Columbus. Or Charlotte. Or St. Louis. Or Seattle. Or Denver or the hundreds of other "failing Democrat run cities". Why isn't the orange buffoon not investigating these cities. Did these cities do things right? It looks like you're trying to hide something!

Hell, Colorado has mail-in voting for the entire state. There was no fraud there?It was to difficult to cheat in Houston and they knew they couldn't turn Texas blue. They only cheated in places that they needed. You can't expect every democrat to be a cheater can you? Are you implying all democrats are cheating and they missed the boat in Houston?

Canada
07-20-21, 16:27
I'm glad that you can give them the benefit of the doubt. But, unfortunately, the situation is worse.

Minorities have known for a long time that ugly attitudes have simmered just below the surface of the American lifestyle. But those attitudes were rarely public and when they were, it was always in the context of "skinheads" or some other equally obnoxious group. In private, though, these people told jokes about blacks, Pollacks, gays, etc and thought they were funny.

But trump brought all of that hate to the surface and out into the open. Supporters of the orange buffoon could now, in public, voice their hatred of people of color ("What do you get when you cross a black and a Mexican? A thief that's too lazy to steal. " of LGBTQ folks, of Muslims, of Jews and, frankly, of anybody who was different from them.

Even the MAGA slogan was meant to evoke that kind of reaction. Nobody can argue against Make America Great. But the "Again"? Why was that necessary? It was necessary because America had had 8 years of (gasp) a black President. In trump's mind, and in the minds of his supporters, American being "ruled" (that's what they thought) by a black man was the ultimate indignity. That's why the "Again" was needed in the slogan and that's why trumpets love it.

Just read the unhinged rantings of some posters. You see how deep and pervasive the hatred is. "Basket of deplorables" was accurate but "basket" was far too small of a container because there are 74 million of them.Yes Trump must be to blame for racism because there was no racism under the Obama presidency. There was no crime in Chicago or the democratic cities under Obama.

In our state black Trump supporters work. They are doctors, lawyers, car salesmen and business owners. Some are friends of mine. None of them succeeded with government handouts. We don't have 50 blacks getting shot every weekend. Innocent black children getting shot by blacks every week in democratic states. That doesn't happen in Republican states. Black children lives do not matter to the democrats. They are hypocrites just like the posters on this forum. Defund the police. Kill more innocent black kids. Defund the police. More mugs in NYC. Defund the police. Crime up over 100% in most democratic cities. Yes the democrats really care don't they.

The democrats hate of democracy and their hate of USA will be the downfall of our country Posters like you are the problem with America today.

PVMonger
07-20-21, 17:15
It was to difficult to cheat in Houston and they knew they couldn't turn Texas blue. They only cheated in places that they needed. You can't expect every democrat to be a cheater can you? Are you implying all democrats are cheating and they missed the boat in Houston?So if it was so tough to cheat in Texas, why is Texas making it more difficult to vote?

But here's the kicker. "They only cheated in places that they needed". You just admitted that this isn't about "election fraud" at all. If it were, the QOP would be investigating every large city in the US. But you aren't. You are investigating only those cities where you thought the orange buffoon would win. These is just as large of a chance that "election fraud" occurred in St. Louis or Chicago. But you expected the orange buffoon to win Missouri and to lose Illinois so you're not going to investigate there.

In 2024, if the orange buffoon runs again and loses, say, Florida or North Carolina, the QOP will miraculously discover "election fraud" in Miami, Tampa and Jacksonville or in Raleigh and Charlotte.

"Election fraud" my butt.

EihTooms
07-20-21, 17:23
Yes I believe it must be real difficult for a socialist living in a country with Trump supporters. It must be difficult to live with the hard working Trump Americans who love the USA, honor the flag and stand for the National Anthem. It must be difficult for you to put up with the Trump Americans that pay taxes and hire people that fund your welfare and subsistence checks. It must be difficult for you to see black Trump supporters succeeding and contributing to society. It is just so unfair that hard working Americans white, black, brown or any race support Trump and succeed by working hard.

It must be difficult for you socialists to see Trump supporters honoring ever religion.

It must be difficult for you socialists to see Trump supporters support law and order and police and our military.

It must be difficult for you to be an American when you hate everything the flag and our country stands for.

But it must be easy for you to be pathetic and a drain on society.This hypocritical rant would be perfect as the narration over the seemingly endless collection of video coverage of all those Trumpsters desecrating, vandalizing and trashing the Capitol Building, raising the flag of Trump and other American traitors who fought against and hated the USA, attacking cops, beating them over the head with bats and American flag poles, killing and maiming them and others in the commission of their deadly, violent anti-America Insurrection riot, searching for American democratically elected officials to lynch.

You know, Trump's "love fest."

PVMonger
07-20-21, 17:24
Yes Trump must be to blame for racism because there was no racism under the Obama presidency. There was no crime in Chicago or the democratic cities under Obama.

In our state black Trump supporters work. They are doctors, lawyers, car salesmen and business owners. Some are friends of mine. None of them succeeded with government handouts. We don't have 50 blacks getting shot every weekend. Innocent black children getting shot by blacks every week in democratic states. That doesn't happen in Republican states. Black children lives do not matter to the democrats. They are hypocrites just like the posters on this forum. Defund the police. Kill more innocent black kids. Defund the police. More mugs in NYC. Defund the police. Crime up over 100% in most democratic cities. Yes the democrats really care don't they.

The democrats hate of democracy and their hate of USA will be the downfall of our country Posters like you are the problem with America today.I wrote "Minorities have known for a long time that ugly attitudes have simmered just below the surface of the American lifestyle. " Only someone who can't read for comprehension would miss that.

You may have black friends but I'll bet you never asked any of them if they have encountered racism, either subtle or overt. And I can guarantee that you never listened to their answers. Because I can guarantee you that all of them have encountered it. They all succeeded without government "handouts"? Then that means that all of them came from well-off families to begin with. Which isn't the norm, for anyone, regardless of race.

But then again, when your mind is closed.

Member #4733
07-20-21, 17:40
In our state black Trump supporters work.Congratulations. The first time I actually read that Trump stands for working hard. Keep them coming. No good comedy at the moment, so please go on.

Chris P
07-20-21, 21:53
This hypocritical rant would be perfect as the narration over the seemingly endless collection of video coverage of all those Trumpsters desecrating, vandalizing and trashing the Capitol Building, raising the flag of Trump and other American traitors who fought against and hated the USA, attacking cops, beating them over the head with bats and American flag poles, killing and maiming them and others in the commission of their deadly, violent anti-America Insurrection riot, searching for American democratically elected officials to lynch.Except that there is no video of footage of any of that, because none of it happened.

It would, however, be a perfect narration over the seemingly endless collection of video coverage of all those Biden voters desecrating, vandalizing, trashing and burning Federal courthouses, police precincts, and attacking the White House, raising the flag of antifa, BLM and other American traitors who fought against and hated the USA, attacking cops, beating them over the head with bats and American flag poles, killing and maiming them and others in the commission of their deadly, violent anti-America Insurrection riots.

Chris P
07-20-21, 22:02
Thanks for sharing this whiney drivel. I think you have just discovered a good candidate to be the poster child for the word "snowflake". He even admits to not speaking to his own family members due to politics. Pathetic. He probably gets his material from Brian Stelter. Both seemingly nice guys full of sanctimony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUrW1eoj57YLOL. So true. I bet the guy starts crying after suffering ED with ugly girls (the only women he can get into bed) then tells them he loves them. He probably wrote that horseshit in floods of tears with Lesbian Seagull playing in the background.

Chris P
07-20-21, 22:14
ugly attitudes have simmered just below the surface of the American lifestyle..Unfortunately the ugly anti-white hate in the mainstream media and academia is no longer below the surface. White kids are bullied by teachers and non-whites alike in school, told that they are the embodiment of evil. White people are denied opportunities of all kinds because of our skin colour in affirmative action, with jobs-for-life given to incompetent diversity hires. And the fake news and hollyweird amplifies it all. A sick situation, one which cannot last indefinitely. The time for a clean break is coming.

As one small drop on the ocean of far-left hatred, here is a fascinating article written by a middle school teacher detailing how Critical Race Theory is creating anti-American and anti-white hate: https://www.sott.net/article/455591-I-m-a-middle-school-teacher-and-see-how-critical-race-curriculum-is-creating-racial-hostility-in-school.

Chris P
07-20-21, 22:18
There really is no reaching someone blablabla.The first line at least is true. Poor John is too far gone to be saved from his ingrained Marxism, anti-white hate and assorted far-left dogma. Maybe it's something in the water over there in Leningrad? Whatever the cause, he illustrates why we can no longer live together with these people, for whom rationality, evidence and reason come a poor second to communism and hollyweird distortions.

Beijing4987
07-20-21, 23:38
Chrispy is checking out property in Greater Idaho, with a bunker on the Pacific Ocean, where the cartels can deliver fentanyl by submarine, or on the Rogue River, where the salmon runs are disappearing and the forests are on fire. Can't live near communists? The plan is to exterminate them. Insurrection ain’t nuttin. He’s talking outright rebellion. Better fireproof that bunker and prepare an escape tunnel. The Deep State controls the MOAB

Beijing4987
07-20-21, 23:46
I recommend the film "Putney Swope" to our esteemed Chrispy, but along with the popcorn, keep a bowl handy for all that foam emanating from the mouth.

Canada
07-20-21, 23:56
Congratulations. The first time I actually read that Trump stands for working hard. Keep them coming. No good comedy at the moment, so please go on.Unfortunately Republicans and Trump supporters are the only hard working Americans. Sad but true. Democrats are to committed to socialism and government handouts. The republicans states have stopped the unemployment benefits for the lazy democrats so those states have lower unemployment. Republicans are back to work. Democrats waiting for next government handouts. Sad but true.

PVMonger
07-20-21, 23:58
Except that there is no video of footage of any of that, because none of it happened.

It would, however, be a perfect narration over the seemingly endless collection of video coverage of all those Biden voters desecrating, vandalizing, trashing and burning Federal courthouses, police precincts, and attacking the White House, raising the flag of antifa, BLM and other American traitors who fought against and hated the USA, attacking cops, beating them over the head with bats and American flag poles, killing and maiming them and others in the commission of their deadly, violent anti-America Insurrection riots.If you really believe that, then you are completely off the rails. If the January 6th insurrection was a bunch of bad actors dressed up as orange buffoon supporters, it doesn't pass the smell test. Because if that's what it was, Congressional QOP would be clamoring for a committee.

Actually all of the people hurt and all of the damage done on January 6th was because of Jewish space lasers. There are photos of it. These lasers are so smart that even from space they could penetrate the Capitol without damaging it and only break windows and alter videotape.

PVMonger
07-21-21, 00:05
Unfortunately the ugly anti-white hate in the mainstream media and academia is no longer below the surface. White kids are bullied by teachers and non-whites alike in school, told that they are the embodiment of evil. White people are denied opportunities of all kinds because of our skin colour in affirmative action, with jobs-for-life given to incompetent diversity hires. And the fake news and hollyweird amplifies it all. A sick situation, one which cannot last indefinitely. The time for a clean break is coming.

As one small drop on the ocean of far-left hatred, here is a fascinating article written by a middle school teacher detailing how Critical Race Theory is creating anti-American and anti-white hate: https://www.sott.net/article/455591-I-m-a-middle-school-teacher-and-see-how-critical-race-curriculum-is-creating-racial-hostility-in-school.Anybody that says "hollyweird" then posts a link from an a seventh-day adventist rag with a worse reputation than Fux news is cuckoo for cocoapuffs.

Canada
07-21-21, 00:11
This hypocritical rant would be perfect as the narration over the seemingly endless collection of video coverage of all those Trumpsters desecrating, vandalizing and trashing the Capitol Building, raising the flag of Trump and other American traitors who fought against and hated the USA, attacking cops, beating them over the head with bats and American flag poles, killing and maiming them and others in the commission of their deadly, violent anti-America Insurrection riot, searching for American democratically elected officials to lynch.

You know, Trump's "love fest."You keep talking about the capital protest where only a protester died but you keep forgetting about the democrats peaceful protestors every week. 9 shot and 1 killed in downtown Portland last weekend. This is happening every week for over a year in several democratic cities. Where is your outrage for this? Why do you condone innocent people being shot and killed every week?

Canada
07-21-21, 01:09
Except that there is no video of footage of any of that, because none of it happened.

It would, however, be a perfect narration over the seemingly endless collection of video coverage of all those Biden voters desecrating, vandalizing, trashing and burning Federal courthouses, police precincts, and attacking the White House, raising the flag of antifa, BLM and other American traitors who fought against and hated the USA, attacking cops, beating them over the head with bats and American flag poles, killing and maiming them and others in the commission of their deadly, violent anti-America Insurrection riots.Great post. Not sure the socialists here like to hear the truth. They still stand by the fact BLM violent protests don't happen. BLM is a terrorist group that suckers dumb democrats to fund them while they rob and loot.

Canada
07-21-21, 01:17
So if it was so tough to cheat in Texas, why is Texas making it more difficult to vote?

But here's the kicker. "They only cheated in places that they needed". You just admitted that this isn't about "election fraud" at all. If it were, the QOP would be investigating every large city in the US. But you aren't. You are investigating only those cities where you thought the orange buffoon would win. These is just as large of a chance that "election fraud" occurred in St. Louis or Chicago. But you expected the orange buffoon to win Missouri and to lose Illinois so you're not going to investigate there.

In 2024, if the orange buffoon runs again and loses, say, Florida or North Carolina, the QOP will miraculously discover "election fraud" in Miami, Tampa and Jacksonville or in Raleigh and Charlotte.

"Election fraud" my butt.Democrats proved in 2020 that would cheat to defeat Trump and they did. Every state needs to tighten up their security on their elections just like Vegas had to tighten up their security to stop cheaters. Vegas flags cheaters and keeps tabs on them. America also needs to flag these cheaters (democrats) so we can have honest elections in the future. Unfortunately the cheaters are trying to block all security on elections. Democrats prey on the minorities. They claim blacks are to stupid to get a drivers license or ID. Democrats claim that blacks are to stupid to fill in their ballot so they fill it in for them. I can't believe that blacks put up with this racism from democrats.

EihTooms
07-21-21, 02:27
If you really believe that, then you are completely off the rails. If the January 6th insurrection was a bunch of bad actors dressed up as orange buffoon supporters, it doesn't pass the smell test. Because if that's what it was, Congressional QOP would be clamoring for a committee.

Actually all of the people hurt and all of the damage done on January 6th was because of Jewish space lasers. There are photos of it. These lasers are so smart that even from space they could penetrate the Capitol without damaging it and only break windows and alter videotape.I mean, if they are going to stick to the thoroughly debunked lie that Traitor Trump's Violent Insurrection Mob was actually BLM and "antifa" imposters pretending to be Trump supporters wouldn't they at least also WANT to acknowledge the TWO onsite deaths and at least FIVE more Traitor Trump Insurrection event-related deaths those dastardly imposters were responsible for rather than "excuse" their behavior over and over again by insisting it was just a little broken glass and only one person died under mysterious circumstances?

Lol. Forget 3-dimensional chess. That would fall under the category of failing to grasp 1-dimensional checkers.

C'mon, guys. I come here to enjoy the game but you're making it way too easy.

Golfinho
07-21-21, 02:36
If the cackling cop Camala is ever given enough rope, or else her handlers allow her off leash, or simply need a way to let her score some low-hanging fruit, everyone here has no cause for concern: Camela and her Party are your friends. They have your best interests in mind, and would no nothing to inhibit your favored hobby and lifestyle.

PVMonger
07-21-21, 03:51
You keep talking about the capital protest where only a protester died but you keep forgetting about the democrats peaceful protestors every week. 9 shot and 1 killed in downtown Portland last weekend. This is happening every week for over a year in several democratic cities. Where is your outrage for this? Why do you condone innocent people being shot and killed every week?It is the height of hypocrisy to claim that the only person that died was an insurrectionist, especially since you supposedly support the police. Officer Brian Sicknick died as a direct result of injuries sustained on January 6th. A buck of others aren't back to full duty. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-police-injuries-riot/.

Xpartan
07-21-21, 05:12
If you really believe that, then you are completely off the rails. If the January 6th insurrection was a bunch of bad actors dressed up as orange buffoon supporters, it doesn't pass the smell test. Because if that's what it was, Congressional QOP would be clamoring for a committee.

Actually all of the people hurt and all of the damage done on January 6th was because of Jewish space lasers. There are photos of it. These lasers are so smart that even from space they could penetrate the Capitol without damaging it and only break windows and alter videotape.That's totally plausible. Everyone knows that Jewish space lasers are a huge threat to government institutions, but the last time I heard it was the Antifa false flag operation. Everyone knows how much Antifa adores MAGA and confederate flags.

Chris and Canada must be ecstatic that hundreds of those Antifa activists are being brought to justice and about to be locked up.

Beno69
07-21-21, 05:21
Democrats prey on the minorities. They claim blacks are to stupid to get a drivers license or ID. Democrats claim that blacks are to stupid to fill in their ballot so they fill it in for them. I can't believe that blacks put up with this racism from democrats.I can't believe that's possible to write so stupid BS every day. - But I think the majority of Americans are not so crazy to believe this BS!

EihTooms
07-21-21, 05:35
Remember when this was originally reported and Team Trump went berzerk, launching into their tired "Fake News!" lies in order to run and hide from it?

Well, it turns out the idea of hiring imposters to show up for Trump's "biggest crowds in history!" events started at the very beginning:

Former Trump aide says campaign paid actors to appear at his 2016 presidential announcement
Jul 19,2021.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-aide-says-paid-actors-for-2016-campaign-announcement-2021-7

Corey Lewandowski previously denied Trump paid actors to appear at his 2015 campaign announcement.
Yet the first Trump 2016 campaign manager recently told Insider the opposite.
Insider reported the moment as part of its definitive oral history of Trump's rise in the GOP.

EihTooms
07-21-21, 05:46
I can't believe that's possible to write so stupid BS every day. - But I think the majority of Americans are not so crazy to believe this BS!Unfortunately, the way the Electoral College system was set up to help racists cheat their preferred candidate's way into the White House, the peddlers of that kind of stupid BS can LOSE the vote by as much as 7,000,000+ but if just 43,000 additional Repubs had turned up to vote for their preferred candidate across 2-3 states, the fix would have been in and successful for the stupid BS peddlers.

John Clayton
07-21-21, 06:13
Democrats proved in 2020 that would cheat to defeat Trump and they did. Every state needs to tighten up their security on their elections just like Vegas had to tighten up their security to stop cheaters. Vegas flags cheaters and keeps tabs on them. America also needs to flag these cheaters (democrats) so we can have honest elections in the future. Unfortunately the cheaters are trying to block all security on elections. Democrats prey on the minorities. They claim blacks are to stupid to get a drivers license or ID. Democrats claim that blacks are to stupid to fill in their ballot so they fill it in for them. I can't believe that blacks put up with this racism from democrats.

You're not helping this person by engaging with him. He desperately needs a respite from this type of stimulation as well as some kind of intervention. This fear/rage autostimulation feels good ito him n the short run; however, the long term effects of elevated cortisol include weight gain around the waist and upper back, weight gain and rounding of the face, acne and muscle weakness. Of course, he sees these things happening to him, which engenders more rage, self loathing and fear. Interacting with him just exacerbates his condition.

EihTooms
07-21-21, 08:40
You're not helping this person by engaging with him. He desperately needs a respite from this type of stimulation as well as some kind of intervention. This fear/rage autostimulation feels good ito him n the short run; however, the long term effects of elevated cortisol include weight gain around the waist and upper back, weight gain and rounding of the face, acne and muscle weakness. Of course, he sees these things happening to him, which engenders more rage, self loathing and fear. Interacting with him just exacerbates his condition.Trump gave up trying to help his cult followers cure what ails them by suggesting they inject disinfectant and ultra-violet light directly into their bodies. So now his new ultimate solution for his "Big Lie/Stop The Steal!/Fake News!" suckers is to support and defend the idea that they simply refuse to get vaccinated, just get Covid-19 and die already:

Trump claims people refusing vaccine because they 'don't trust the Election results'
July 19,2021.
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-claims-people-refusing-vaccine-184200964.html

"...people are refusing to take the Vaccine because they don't trust his (Biden's) Administration, they don't trust the Election results and they certainly don't trust the Fake News, which is refusing to tell the Truth.

I'm shocked.

Vagabundo1
07-21-21, 12:02
This does not end well for the US Dollar.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/563809-back-to-70s-inflation-how-bidens-spending-spree-will-hurt-your-wallet

Last week we learned that, in June, prices throughout the USA Economy continued to rise at a pace we simply have not observed since the "Great Inflation" period of 1966-1982. Tuesday's report that consumer prices had risen 0.9 percent (11.4 percent at an annual rate) was followed Wednesday with news that producer prices had surged 1 percent (12.2 percent annualized), both roughly double what economists had been forecasting. Then, on Thursday, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that import prices also had continued to surge higher in June.

With the White House and congressional Democrats planning to follow their $1.9 trillion American Relief Plan with a $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill and a $3. 5 trillion partisan spending bill, many are wondering whether inflationary pressure could worsen, and what that might mean for USA Workers.

Vagabundo1
07-21-21, 12:04
Biden Harris is going to go down as a disaster for the US.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/07/20/despite_what_biden_says_guns_factor_in_only_a_small_percentage_of_violent_crimes_786128.html

In response to sharp increases in violent crime, President Biden stressed again last week that his administration is focused on "stemming the flow of firearms used to commit violent crimes." But critics warn that this "guns first" approach ignores a basic fact – about 92% of violent crimes in America do not involve firearms.

Vagabundo1
07-21-21, 12:07
https://nypost.com/2021/07/17/the-media-only-tries-to-cancel-joe-rogan-because-he-terrifies-them/

Joe Rogan is staying one step ahead of Cancel Culture, but not if the media has anything to say about it.

The host of "The Joe Rogan Experience," the podcast sensation who joined Spotify last year following a jaw-dropping $100 million deal, is under near-constant attack from his woke critics — and, sadly, journalists who pledge allegiance to the new woke order.

The short list of complaints against Rogan?

He's too willing to speak to fringe players like conspiracy monger Alex Jones.

He's too willing to give "problematic" voices like Abigail Shrier, a critic of the trans agenda, a platform.

 he's too willing to question the government's COVID-19 dog-eared rule book.

He's too willing to curse out Cancel Culture.

He's too enamored of free speech, worst of all.

Rogan invites guests on his show who have been deplatformed by social media giants (Jones, for example). He blasted Joe Biden as too old during the heat of the 2020 presidential campaign after endorsing an even older Sen. Bernie Sanders in the primaries. More recently he brought up President Biden's mental fitness anew, something the mainstream media refuses to consider after years of questioning the mental state of Donald Trump.

Canada
07-21-21, 13:36
Unfortunately, the way the Electoral College system was set up to help racists cheat their preferred candidate's way into the White House, the peddlers of that kind of stupid BS can LOSE the vote by as much as 7,000,000+ but if just 43,000 additional Repubs had turned up to vote for their preferred candidate across 2-3 states, the fix would have been in and successful for the stupid BS peddlers.The fact is that more than 43,000 Trump voters voted in these states in 2020 than 2016 and Trump was leading in these states when voting hours ended but the fact is that during the night the cheaters managed to find enough votes to put Biden ahead. Trump could have gotten a million more votes and still lost the election. The cheaters knew how far Trump was ahead and during the night When no one was voting Biden got 100% of the hidden votes. Mistakes were made, ink was bad in the machines and fortunately 100% of the mistakes went to Biden. The cheaters had a plan and they executed it perfectly but unfortunately now they are caught. Republicans want to stop the cheating in elections and democrats are trying to enhance cheating. In Communist countries elections are rigged and democrats see this as an opportunity. If they can control the people and keep them poor and dependent on the government they can rule for life. Government can defund the police, make the country unsafe and have all their private security so they can live the high life safely. They are flying on private jets burning millions of gallons of jet fuel yearly while they want everyone else to stop using fuels.

Canada
07-21-21, 13:54
That's totally plausible. Everyone knows that Jewish space lasers are a huge threat to government institutions, but the last time I heard it was the Antifa false flag operation. Everyone knows how much Antifa adores MAGA and confederate flags.

Chris and Canada must be ecstatic that hundreds of those Antifa activists are being brought to justice and about to be locked up.BLM and Antifa terrorists are protected by democrats and Biden and Harris. They are looting and killing people every week in democratic cities. If arrested they are released next day. Police are frustrated and quitting at record numbers. USA crime is out of control. Democrats think crime is not a problem but wait until it happens to one of their family. Just because you hate America doesn't give you the right to destroy it. But Xparton and several others choose to ignore this fact. They choose to go back to January 6 rather than address what is happening every day after January 6. Xparton and the other liberals here ignore the facts of people being shot and killed in their cities every day because they are so fixated on Trump. Biden is a fool and will destroy USA prosperity so their solution is to talk about Trump. This is why they will always be losers. They will be dependent on government for rest of their lives and one day will realize their stupidity.

Chris P
07-21-21, 15:01
If you really believe that, then you are completely off the rails.He said there was footage of Jan 6 protesters "beating cops over the head with bats, killing and maiming them and others". No, there wasn't. He said there was footage of them "trashing the Capitol". No, there wasn't.

Pushing and shouting does not equal "beating with bats, killing and maiming". And walking through open doors and taking selfies does not equal "trashing". You communists do seem to have a problem with reality. Just like antifa / BLM riots are not "peaceful" when there are burning buildings in the background. Except in your cognitive dissonance-riddled minds, of course.

Simple question for you. Why was nothing burned on January 6, yet fires were started in entire city blocks, police precincts and federal courthouses by BLM / antifa?

Chris P
07-21-21, 15:07
it was just a little broken glass and only one person died under mysterious circumstances?.The circumstances were not mysterious. Unarmed protester Ashli Babbitt was executed without warning by an armed security official. The real scandal is that this person has not even named, much less charged. He was not at all under threat. He could and should have shouted at her to retreat, pushed her back, and if she had continued to advance, he and his armed colleagues could have arrested her.

Nobody else was killed as a result of the protest. A couple of elderly protesters died of heart attacks in the excitement, which was sad but unsurprising given the huge numbers of protesters present. By contrast, there have been various murders attributed to BLM / antifa riots, such as retired police captain David Dorn, a black man who was murdered while attempting to stop BLM rioters from looting a friend's business.

Chris P
07-21-21, 15:25
You keep talking about the capital protest where only a protester died but you keep forgetting about the democrats peaceful protestors every week. 9 shot and 1 killed in downtown Portland last weekend. This is happening every week for over a year in several democratic cities. Where is your outrage for this? Why do you condone innocent people being shot and killed every week?Of course. They don't care about shootings, dead black people, or anything else other than their Marxist agenda. Whatever they can use (or rather, make up) to push their false narrative, they fill their fake news media with. Anything that goes against the narrative is disappeared down the Orwellian memory hole.

A case in point: the recent Texas anti-democracy democrat legislators who flew to Washington to prevent democracy. They were defeated fair and square at the ballot box, so in order to prevent the exercise of the democratic will of the Texan people, they ran away.

On the plane, none of them were wearing masks. Hmm, it seems masks are only for the little people? They used the excuse that were all vaccinated. But lo and behold, upon landing in Washington they have started spreading covid all round the democrat party, including apparently to Kamala "Heels Up" Harris who was taken to hospital (don't worry, she's used to visiting for STD treatment).

This is a double narrative-killer for the democrats and fake news. Firstly, they are denying the democratic right of the Texan people. Secondly, it turns out the covid gene therapy "vaccine" doesn't actually prevent the spread of covid. Which begs the question of why it is being pushed so hard by Fauci (the man who funded the virus in the first place, as Senator Rand Paul has expertly exposed) and the rest of the Washington establishment, to the point of destroying the constitutional liberties of those who dissent.

So of course the fake news ignores it, just as they ignore the dozens of inner city shootings every week; the criminality and corruption discovered in Hunter's laptop; the disastrous surge of illegals at the border and the crime, cost and social problems they cause; the 200,000 fake ballots in Maricopa county; and everything that doesn't fit their false narrative.

All of which explains why trust in the "mainstream" media is at an all-time low.

Chris P
07-21-21, 15:32
Chris and Canada must be ecstatic that hundreds of those Antifa activists are being brought to justice and about to be locked up.You mean the antifa activists that have spent the last year burning cities and violently assaulting police and conservative citizens? Don't be silly. They are protected by the Washington establishment and can commit whatever violent crimes they want without consequence.

Member #4733
07-21-21, 16:01
Unfortunately Republicans and Trump supporters are the only hard working Americans. Sad but true. Democrats are to committed to socialism and government handouts. The republicans states have stopped the unemployment benefits for the lazy democrats so those states have lower unemployment. Republicans are back to work. Democrats waiting for next government handouts. Sad but true.Really. But isn't it true that most poorer people in USA have two or three jobs. And that the richer people retire early (at 35 or so? Next to that, as Trump also has poor supporters, they went to Capitol Hill in their own free time. Yes. And those that didn't want to vote by mail, spent hours and hours waiting to cast their vote. Really, working hard. Or those guys that gathered for the biggest crowd at any inauguration ever. Working hard is really something else than flying to Moscow all the time. How hard working are you with all this time on your hands to get here each and every day and never stop writing. About handouts. Isn't it true that Warren Buffet and Michael Bloomberg are Democrats for example. Isn't it true that Buffet considered the tax cuts by Republican presidents as a handout. And big ones. And just one question. You tell that Republicans are back to work. Finally I would say. What made them change their mind?

Chris P
07-21-21, 17:25
Biden Harris is going to go down as a disaster for the US.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/07/20/despite_what_biden_says_guns_factor_in_only_a_small_percentage_of_violent_crimes_786128.html

In response to sharp increases in violent crime, President Biden stressed again last week that his administration is focused on "stemming the flow of firearms used to commit violent crimes." But critics warn that this "guns first" approach ignores a basic fact about 92% of violent crimes in America do not involve firearms.And of that 8%, the vast majority involve handguns in the ghetto, not the AR-15's in the suburbs and rural areas that Biden's handlers are trying to go after. As others have noted, the regular urban shootings in democrat-run cities, most notably Chicago, are completely ignored by the democrats and fake news media.

Chris P
07-21-21, 17:29
The fact is that more than 43,000 Trump voters voted in these states in 2020 than 2016 and Trump was leading in these states when voting hours ended but the fact is that during the night the cheaters managed to find enough votes to put Biden ahead. Trump could have gotten a million more votes and still lost the election. The cheaters knew how far Trump was ahead and during the night When no one was voting Biden got 100% of the hidden votes. Mistakes were made, ink was bad in the machines and fortunately 100% of the mistakes went to Biden. The cheaters had a plan and they executed it perfectly but unfortunately now they are caught. Republicans want to stop the cheating in elections and democrats are trying to enhance cheating. In Communist countries elections are rigged and democrats see this as an opportunity. If they can control the people and keep them poor and dependent on the government they can rule for life. Government can defund the police, make the country unsafe and have all their private security so they can live the high life safely. They are flying on private jets burning millions of gallons of jet fuel yearly while they want everyone else to stop using fuels.Excellent post. Trump got 12 million more votes in 2020 than he won with in 2016. The overwhelming scale of his victory was a shock to the dems, who had not expected to have to cheat as much as they did: hence the shutting down of the count in democrat-run cities for some hours after midnight while they scrambled to print out the extra fake ballots they needed. At least 200,000 of them in Arizona alone. Many more soon to be uncovered in Georgia, PA and elsewhere.

Canada
07-21-21, 17:54
Really. But isn't it true that most poorer people in USA have two or three jobs. And that the richer people retire early (at 35 or so? Next to that, as Trump also has poor supporters, they went to Capitol Hill in their own free time. Yes. And those that didn't want to vote by mail, spent hours and hours waiting to cast their vote. Really, working hard. Or those guys that gathered for the biggest crowd at any inauguration ever. Working hard is really something else than flying to Moscow all the time. How hard working are you with all this time on your hands to get here each and every day and never stop writing. About handouts. Isn't it true that Warren Buffet and Michael Bloomberg are Democrats for example. Isn't it true that Buffet considered the tax cuts by Republican presidents as a handout. And big ones. And just one question. You tell that Republicans are back to work. Finally I would say. What made them change their mind?I agree with many of your statements. It is true some people work hard and can retire when they are 35 to 40 years old. I retired when I was 40 but kept busy with projects. There are hard working democrats and hard working republicans but both parties have their lazy ones. Buffett and Bloomberg were both Republican at one time and now they are democrats. They are rich enough to be what ever they want. Democrats used to be for the working people but too many have converted to socialism and their faith and values have deteriorated. Democrats used to be similar to Republicans proud of America, standing for the national anthem and honoring the flag but not so much anymore. Democrats used to stand for law and order and support the police but not anymore. I feel sorry for the old time democrats that supported the USA. Their party has abandoned them.

Canada
07-21-21, 17:56
Of course. They don't care about shootings, dead black people, or anything else other than their Marxist agenda. Whatever they can use (or rather, make up) to push their false narrative, they fill their fake news media with. Anything that goes against the narrative is disappeared down the Orwellian memory hole.

A case in point: the recent Texas anti-democracy democrat legislators who flew to Washington to prevent democracy. They were defeated fair and square at the ballot box, so in order to prevent the exercise of the democratic will of the Texan people, they ran away.

On the plane, none of them were wearing masks. Hmm, it seems masks are only for the little people? They used the excuse that were all vaccinated. But lo and behold, upon landing in Washington they have started spreading covid all round the democrat party, including apparently to Kamala "Heels Up" Harris who was taken to hospital (don't worry, she's used to visiting for STD treatment).

This is a double narrative-killer for the democrats and fake news. Firstly, they are denying the democratic right of the Texan people. Secondly, it turns out the covid gene therapy "vaccine" doesn't actually prevent the spread of covid. Which begs the question of why it is being pushed so hard by Fauci (the man who funded the virus in the first place, as Senator Rand Paul has expertly exposed) and the rest of the Washington establishment, to the point of destroying the constitutional liberties of those who dissent..Great post but the losers on this forum will just ignore it and switch to anti Trump rhetoric.

Golfinho
07-21-21, 22:35
Unfortunately, the way the Electoral College system was set up to help racists cheat their preferred candidate's way into the White House, the peddlers of that kind of stupidThe electoral college system was agreed upon at the Constitutional Convention of 1787. Without it there'd have been no ratification and no Union of the States into a Federal Republic. Fortunately, you have the Electoral College to be thankful for in enabling you to be a citizen of the United States of America instead of a citizen of a little powerless State, which may or may not have become a place where racism would come to exist in such an incredibly repressive way making you completely unable to realize your full potential as a human being, a situation you evidently feel yourself in at the moment.

Chris P
07-21-21, 23:09
Great post but the losers on this forum will just ignore it and switch to anti Trump rhetoric.Of course. But they are the tiny, loud minority with Trump Derangement Syndrome, who are too far gone down the leftist brainwashing rabbit-hole to respond to reason, logic and evidence. There are many more open-minded lurkers reading, some of whom will not even have heard of Hunter's laptop, or the 200,000 fake ballots uncovered in the Maricopa audit, or the hundreds of shootings every week in democrat-run ghettos, or any of the other facts hidden by the fake news. Until now.

Chris P
07-22-21, 02:51
On the subject of the FBI and other Washington intelligence agencies setting up the Jan 6 Capitol trespass, we have another example of them doing something similar.

Remember the so-called Gretchen Whitmer kidnap plot? A bunch of "right-wing extremists" plotted to kidnap the criminally incompetent Governor of Michigan? Yeah, so it turns out that literally half of the entire group were FBI undercover agents or informants. 14 men have been charged, and there were "at least 12" agents / informants.

This reporting, incredibly, was done by Buzzfeed, which is normally a lefty globohomo anti-American site. However the abuse and entrapment by the feds was so egregious that I can only imagine someone at Buzzfeed grew a conscience and decided to report the truth for a change:

"The anti-government extremist group accused of conspiring to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer had been infiltrated by at least a dozen FBI informants. Some of whom took leading roles in the scheme, BuzzFeed News reported.

At least 12 confidential FBI informants assisted the investigation into the extremist group accused of conspiring to kidnap the Democratic governor, according to the news outlet's report.

An examination of the case by BuzzFeed revealed that "some of those informants, acting under the direction of the FBI, played a far larger role than has previously been reported."

For example, an Iraq war veteran informant "became so deeply enmeshed in a Michigan militant group" that he rose to second-in-command of the group, BuzzFeed reported.

The war vet told members of the group to convene with other potential suspects and even paid for members' transportation to meetings, according to the news outlet.

Another man who advised the militia group on where to place explosives and offered to get as many as needed was also an informant, BuzzFeed reported."

The feds rose to the top of the group, arranged meetings and transportation, and even offered to get explosives. The feds organized the entire thing! Just as they did with the tiny group of hotheads who arranged the Capitol trespass on January 6. The feds who organized it all are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the charging documents of the poor saps they entrapped.

So on the one hand, we have so-called right-wing extremist groups completely riddled with federal agents and informants (there are often more feds than patsies in the groups), and the feds have to push, encourage and organize them to break the law.

Then on the other hand, we have violent, law-breaking far-left communist organizations like antifa and BLM, which openly espouse the overthrow of the USA, and have carried out vast amounts of crime over the past year: burnings, lootings, assaults, attacks on federal real estate, which have cost billions of dollars and destroyed entire cities. The feds refuse to infiltrate or even investigate these groups; the violent rioters are rarely arrested, and when they are, they are given bail immediately and the charges are dropped by corrupt Soros-funded local DAs. The feds refuse to press federal charges against these violent communist rioters, even when they attack federal courthouses.

Something very wrong here. The FBI has been co-opted into the rest of the Washington Deep State establishment swamp. They ferociously entrap and crush conservative rightwingers for nothing, while allowing violent far-left rioters to run wild with no consequences. Like almost everything in the federal establishment, it is rotten to the core and needs replacing.

Chris P
07-22-21, 02:59
He blasted Joe Biden as too old during the heat of the 2020 presidential campaign after endorsing an even older Sen. Bernie Sanders in the primaries. It's not about age, it's about mental fitness. Bernie is still sharp. Biden's brain is quite clearly mush and can scarcely put a sentence together without several hours of intense coaching. "Salute the marines, Joe!

EihTooms
07-22-21, 03:05
The electoral college system was agreed upon at the Constitutional Convention of 1787. Without it there'd have been no ratification and no Union of the States into a Federal Republic. Fortunately, you have the Electoral College to be thankful for in enabling you to be a citizen of the United States of America instead of a citizen of a little powerless State, which may or may not have become a place where racism would come to exist in such an incredibly repressive way making you completely unable to realize your full potential as a human being, a situation you evidently feel yourself in at the moment.Why Was the Electoral College Created?
https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention

Not only was the creation of the Electoral College in part a political workaround for the persistence of slavery in the United States, but almost none of the Founding Fathers assumptions about the electoral system proved true.The Electoral College system gave slave-owning land barons effective veto power over whoever the general American electorate, among them "Negroes" who had at least a 3/5th say in the matter minus inevitable voter supression shenanigans, chose as president.

Trump was known to keep a Red State-Blue State map within view at all times in the Oval Office of the states he won to reach the Electoral College requirement to override the obvious wish and will of the American people in 2016. As we all know, such a map can look like almost nothing but a sea of RED! Trump loved gazing at it.

Here's the problem: That is essentially a map of LAND, not a map highlighting areas where actual American human beings choose to work and reside in the largest numbers.

Btw, a map highlighting the states' "Only 2 Senators Per Each State Regardless of Population" idiotic nonsense would produce the same sea of RED delusion.

Xpartan
07-22-21, 04:48
You mean the antifa activists that have spent the last year burning cities and violently assaulting police and conservative citizens? Don't be silly. They are protected by the Washington establishment and can commit whatever violent crimes they want without consequence.Got to love those guys' thinking (if you can call it that). Nothing but flexible.

We love law and order and adore the police, unless-.

Unless the police is standing between us and some people we need to hang. Then we'll just bash the police on the heads with American flags and gas them with bear spray.

We champion fiscal responsibility unless-.

Unless we must give to 0. 0000000000000001% billionaires a multibillion dollar tax cut because gee, they really get it hard, you know.

We fight for the rights of the States vs Federal Government unless-.

Unless a state in question is predominantly blue, in which case we'll hold off the funding and do everything we can to make them (and their population) suffer.

We are hardcore Cold Warriors unless-.

Unless our adversary helped our guy to get elected.

Boy, what a party!

Golfinho
07-22-21, 14:07
Why Was the Electoral College Created?
https://www.history.com/news/electoral-college-founding-fathers-constitutional-convention
The Electoral College system gave slave-owning land barons effective veto power over whoever the general American electorate, among them "Negroes" who had at least a 3/5th say in the matter minus inevitable voter supression shenanigans, chose as president.

Trump was known to keep a Red State-Blue State map within view at all times in the Oval Office of the states he won to reach the Electoral College requirement to override the obvious wish and will of the American people in 2016. As we all know, such a map can look like almost nothing but a sea of RED! Trump loved gazing at it.

Here's the problem: That is essentially a map of LAND, not a map highlighting areas where actual American human beings choose to work and reside in the largest numbers.

Btw, a map highlighting the states' "Only 2 Senators Per Each State Regardless of Population" idiotic nonsense would produce the same sea of RED delusion.Everyone knows there was debate and compromise. End result: the compromise was agreed upon. Want to change it? Good luck.

Canada
07-22-21, 14:28
Got to love those guys' thinking (if you can call it that). Nothing but flexible.

We love law and order and adore the police, unless-.

Unless the police is standing between us and some people we need to hang. Then we'll just bash the police on the heads with American flags and gas them with bear spray.

We champion fiscal responsibility unless-.

Unless we must give to 0. 0000000000000001% billionaires a multibillion dollar tax cut because gee, they really get it hard, you know.

We fight for the rights of the States vs Federal Government unless-.

Unless a state in question is predominantly blue, in which case we'll hold off the funding and do everything we can to make them (and their population) suffer.

We are hardcore Cold Warriors unless-.

Unless our adversary helped our guy to get elected.

Boy, what a party!Keep ignoring the facts and replying with jibberish. You and Biden keep ignoring the real problems of America. BLM and Antifa riots and killings won't go away without addressing them.

Chris P
07-22-21, 15:12
we must give to 0. 0000000000000001% billionaires a multibillion dollar tax cutThe last year and a half of enforced lockdowns have transferred trillions of dollars of wealth from small businesses to the billionaire owners. See Jeff Bezos. The billionaires have benefited from small businesses being crushed and forced under by draconian and unconstitutional edicts.

And who has been most fanatical about forcing small business owners into penury, sending in law enforcement to shut them down if they dared to exercise their constitutional rights? Leftist democrat governors like Whitmer, Newsom and Soprano. I mean Cuomo. Meanwhile conservative republicans like Noem, DeSantis and Abbott have kept their states and small businesses open. And guess what? Their states' covid figures are the same or better than the shutdown stalinists. Another fail for the dems, no matter how the fake news spins it.

PVMonger
07-22-21, 15:58
Got to love those guys' thinking (if you can call it that). Nothing but flexible.

We love law and order and adore the police, unless-.

Unless the police is standing between us and some people we need to hang. Then we'll just bash the police on the heads with American flags and gas them with bear spray.

We champion fiscal responsibility unless-.

Unless we must give to 0. 0000000000000001% billionaires a multibillion dollar tax cut because gee, they really get it hard, you know.

We fight for the rights of the States vs Federal Government unless-.

Unless a state in question is predominantly blue, in which case we'll hold off the funding and do everything we can to make them (and their population) suffer.

We are hardcore Cold Warriors unless-.

Unless our adversary helped our guy to get elected.

Boy, what a party!Don't forget the military!

They profess love and respect for the military but supported stealing money from the military (which would have built schools, hospitals, etc.) in order to build a wall.

PVMonger
07-22-21, 17:35
Excellent post. Trump got 12 million more votes in 2020 than he won with in 2016. The overwhelming scale of his victory was a shock to the dems, who had not expected to have to cheat as much as they did: hence the shutting down of the count in democrat-run cities for some hours after midnight while they scrambled to print out the extra fake ballots they needed. At least 200,000 of them in Arizona alone. Many more soon to be uncovered in Georgia, PA and elsewhere.Here's the rethuglicans "trump won and the dems cheated" argument if the same thing happened in American football.

My team lost to a clearly inferior opponent by a score of 21-28. We were leading at halftime by 21-0. It is inconceivable that they outscored us by 28-0 in the second half. They must have cheated! Plus, we beat them last year by 17-13. So we scored more points this time and still lost! The only way this could have happened is if they cheated!

PVMonger
07-22-21, 18:24
Keep ignoring the facts and replying with jibberish. You and Biden keep ignoring the real problems of America. BLM and Antifa riots and killings won't go away without addressing them.According to you, none of the insurrectionists wanted to hang Mike Pence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjJ_0N8PsRk And nobody built a gallows. https://www.ourquadcities.com/news/national-news/capitol-mob-built-gallows-and-chanted-hang-mike-pence/.

And everybody benefited by the orange buffoon's tax cut? BS. https://www.policygenius.com/taxes/who-benefited-most-from-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act/.

More BS that trump didn't want to punish blue states. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-wildfires-california-governor-newsom-oregon-election-b447809.html.

It looks like rethuglicans are the ones ignoring facts.

Smoothy
07-22-21, 19:25
none of the insurrectionists wanted to hang Mike Pence.Definition of insurrection.

"An act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government".

It pretty much goes without saying that the many Black Lives Matter riot insurrections against the police had a great number of thugs in their "peaceful protests" who wanted to hang Mike Pence. Nobody would deny that.

Chris P
07-22-21, 19:45
Here's the rethuglicans "trump won and the dems cheated" argument if the same thing happened in American football.

My team lost to a clearly inferior opponent by a score of 21-28. We were leading at halftime by 21-0. It is inconceivable that they outscored us by 28-0 in the second half. They must have cheated! Plus, we beat them last year by 17-13. So we scored more points this time and still lost! The only way this could have happened is if they cheated!Here's a better analogy. We were leading 28-14 with one minute to go when suddenly there was a mysterious power outage and the stadium was plunged into darkness. When the lights came back on, the scoreboard read 31-28 to the other side.

Chris P
07-22-21, 20:03
According to you, none of the insurrectionists wanted to hang Mike Pence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjJ_0N8PsRk And nobody built a gallows. https://www.ourquadcities.com/news/national-news/capitol-mob-built-gallows-and-chanted-hang-mike-pence/.

It looks like rethuglicans are the ones ignoring facts.Did Kathy Griffin actually intend to try and murder President Trump when she did that stupid photoshoot? Did all the leftist dimwits and midwits who spouted threats to him actually intend to carry them out? Of course not, you dotard. It is a metaphor to state how angry they were with his actions, as were the statements toward Pence for his cowardice over the election fraud.

Nobody who trespassed in the Capitol intended to cause serious violence and destruction, which is why no fires were started, nobody was killed or even seriously injured (except an unarmed protester, Ashli Babbitt, executed by security forces) and nothing but the most superficial damage was done (a couple of broken windows). If all those people had meant to do serious damage and carry out a real insurrection, it would have been a bloodbath. It was anything but.

Speaking of "ignoring facts", I see Nancy Glassface Pelosi has blocked elected Republican representatives from the investigation because they wanted to question her over her role in the policing failure on Jan 6.

On Jan 4, US Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund requested extra security for the building as he knew there was a huge protest planned for Jan 6. (In fact, the FBI and other Washington intelligence agencies knew even more about the protest and planned trespassing into the Capitol, as they organised it via their undercover agents and informants). House serjeant-at-arms Paul Irving, who works for the Speaker, rejected the request, later claiming that intelligence reports showed no need for extra security.

This was clearly a flat out lie. The FBI, through their many agents and informants (dozens of whom are unnamed and unindicted co-conspirators in the charging documents for the patsies they set up) knew exactly what was coming, as they had been integral in organising it. Pelosi knew too, and ordered the serjeant-at-arms to reject the extra policing because they wanted the Capitol trespass to happen, to create a fake media storm which they could try to use to attack the 75 million Trump voters and strip us of our constitutional liberties and rights.

Fortunately, as with most of their schemes, more people are becoming wise to it every day.

Chris P
07-22-21, 20:19
Don't forget the military!

They profess love and respect for the military but supported stealing money from the military (which would have built schools, hospitals, etc.) in order to build a wall.Haha! You've really jumped the shark now. I'm starting to think your whole schtick is deep satire, in which case it is brilliantly done.

Trump, of course, boosted the military massively, increasing spending and fixing the broken VA system, while at the same time not starting any more pointless wars that get our servicemen and women killed and maimed. (And yes, genuinely killed and maimed, not the "killed and maimed" that you fake news leftists claim happened on Jan 6, which was in fact just shouting and pushing).

Member #4733
07-22-21, 21:52
that you fake news leftists claim happened on Jan 6, which was in fact just shouting and pushing).It killed people.

Canada
07-22-21, 22:01
According to you, none of the insurrectionists wanted to hang Mike Pence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjJ_0N8PsRk And nobody built a gallows. https://www.ourquadcities.com/news/national-news/capitol-mob-built-gallows-and-chanted-hang-mike-pence/.

And everybody benefited by the orange buffoon's tax cut? BS. https://www.policygenius.com/taxes/who-benefited-most-from-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act/.

More BS that trump didn't want to punish blue states. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-wildfires-california-governor-newsom-oregon-election-b447809.html.

It looks like rethuglicans are the ones ignoring facts.You along with Biden ignore the facts. Terrorist group BLM and Antifa are terrorizing, looting and killing people every week. It is on every news except fake news. When you are confronted with the truth you just start rambling none sense about Trump. Ignoring the problems of America. Do you really think San Francisco isn't having serious crime of looting? Do you really think Chicago doesn't have 50 shootings and several dead every weekend? Are you really this stupid?

PVMonger
07-22-21, 22:01
Haha! You've really jumped the shark now. I'm starting to think your whole schtick is deep satire, in which case it is brilliantly done.

Trump, of course, boosted the military massively, increasing spending and fixing the broken VA system, while at the same time not starting any more pointless wars that get our servicemen and women killed and maimed. (And yes, genuinely killed and maimed, not the "killed and maimed" that you fake news leftists claim happened on Jan 6, which was in fact just shouting and pushing).Are you really saying that the orange buffoon didn't take money out of the military budget for the wall? Of course, you don't think 'The Military Times' is a real news outlet, do you? https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/06/26/appeals-court-trump-wrongly-diverted-25-billion-in-milcon-funds-for-border-wall/.

Canada
07-22-21, 22:03
Here's a better analogy. We were leading 28-14 with one minute to go when suddenly there was a mysterious power outage and the stadium was plunged into darkness. When the lights came back on, the scoreboard read 31-28 to the other side.Great analogy! Just like the elections the lights went out and the democrats changed the score and changed the winner.

Beijing4987
07-22-21, 23:44
Ah, CC saw a video. Smoking gun! Veteran Administration finally fixed and perfect. Ah, only one line of the national anthem is racist, and Roxanne omitted that one as she grabbed her crotch. Commander in Thief Bone Spurs mused to his staff that at the cemetery in France that soldiers were losers. " I like those that don't get captured" The judges sentencing those who were only " shouting and pushing" are not amused. Neither are all the Capitol police were were pushed and shouted at, or gently nudged by patriot tourists, there to see how government operates. Let's get on with this, the greatest of experiments. We can move on past incidents like January 6, but not those like Benghazi. Amerikkka will be great again after the stunning victories coming in 2022 & 2024. Unleash the Kracken on the evil pedophile, blood sucking Democrats. My pillows in every home. Joe McCarthy’s grave will be a national monument, and the his list of communists will be read into the congressional record.

ScatManDoo
07-23-21, 00:21
There were what, 60 baseless court cases that collectively were shot down?

TrumpShit lawyers didn't waste their time. It brought in millions of dollars in contributions from their sucker supporters.

There has not been any voter fraud found.

Over 74,000 mail-in ballots are currently being identified as needing more scrutiny.

These ballots all have names and addresses, but none of those +74,000 voters have said their votes were changed, miscounted, or cast without their actually voting.

Those Cyber have been jerking off on these ballots for what. Three, four months.

SouthEaster
07-23-21, 00:30
Am I the only person that thinks Chris P (inhead) and Ohhhh Canada are the same person? At the very least they provide each other a one man cheering section. Someone prove me wrong!

Spidy
07-23-21, 00:55
... Those Cyber have been jerking off on these ballots for what. Three, four months....Kkkk! Falling out my chair laughing. Obviously, they've forgotten how to count, past 20 with their clothes on.

But true to form, like right-wing failures, let's just double-down in other states.

EihTooms
07-23-21, 01:40
Everyone knows there was debate and compromise. End result: the compromise was agreed upon. Want to change it? Good luck.What "everyone knows" is a completely different point than how, why, by whom and for whom the Electoral College system was set up. "debate and compromise" might sounds like a noble endeavor in this regard as long as you ignore the detail that many natural born USA citizens at the time, particularly those most likely adversely effected by it, only had 3/5 of a vote and I doubt they had a major input on that "debate and compromise", if any at all.

You don't need to change it to eliminate the intrinsic anti-democratic cheating aspect of it. You can just replace it with something else, as many states have already done:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

As of June, 2021, it has been adopted by fifteen states and the District of Columbia. These states have 195 electoral votes, which is 36% of the Electoral College and 72% of the 270 votes needed to give the compact legal force.

The fact that inarguably the 2 worst presidents of all time who produced the worst results across the board on every important issue, George W. Bush and Donald J. Trump, were inflicted on the country after having lost the vote but still squeaked through on a razor thin Electoral College "win" gives immeasurable strength and legitimacy to the ongoing movement to override the Electoral College system.

Beijing4987
07-23-21, 02:14
" The 3/5's compromise was an agreement reached by the state delegates at the 1787 Constitution Convention. Under the compromise, every enslaved American would be counted as three-fifths of a person for taxation and representation purpose. This agreement gave the Southern stares more electoral power than they would have had if the enslaved population had been ignored entirely. " "Even though the enslaved people were denied voting rights, this gave Southern states a third more Representatives and a third more presidential electoral votes if enslaved people had not been counted " Free blacks were not subject to the compromise and counted as one full citizen for representation".

Golfinho
07-23-21, 02:49
" The 3/5's compromise was an agreement reached by the state delegates at the 1787 Constitution Convention. Under the compromise, every enslaved American would be counted as three-fifths of a person for taxation and representation purpose. This agreement gave the Southern stares more electoral power than they would have had if the enslaved population had been ignored entirely.More of what's entirely well-known. Go Wikipedia Articles of Confederation next. Maybe you can discover why thirteen more or less autonomous States felt compelled to create a more perfect union. Hint: it wasn't because of 'racism'. Or was it?

Xpartan
07-23-21, 03:35
Am I the only person that thinks Chris P (inhead) and Ohhhh Canada are the same person? At the very least they provide each other a one man cheering section. Someone prove me wrong!Nah, they're two different attaboys. Chris knows how to type.