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ScatManDoo
08-04-21, 05:21
Anybody here getting spam from Democrats begging for money? How about from Repugnantins...I have not been a registered republican for more than 14 years.
Yet there is no slow-down in the contribution requests I still get from republican candidates. About three a week.
Most now come from TrumpShit, it makes me laugh.
ScatManDoo
08-04-21, 05:48
I am glad that I hung on to my paper passport, which was completed when I got my second vaccine shot on April 24th. (Covid-19 Vaccine Record Card).
I was thinking of laminating mine.
But I won't because it has two blank lines labeled "other" (presumably for use when and if I get booster shots).
At good venues in Orange County and the rest of SoCal it will help keep out the unwashed and unvaccinated.
Rubbing shoulders with the stupid is disgusting. Had enough of it when I was employed as a teacher.
When was the last time Faux News would trash their heroes like, I don't know, Kavanaugh or Roy Moore or any other right-wing asshole caught with their pants down?
But CNN and MSNBC ripped democratic governor Cuomo all day long today. No epithets spared, no love lost. Fake news, yep, sure, aha.
On an unrelated note, are there more sad and pathetic creatures than USA Politicians?
The poor SOB couldn't help himself. He just had to TOUCH women. That's pathetic.
At least Clinton got something tangible from a consenting female. Cuomo is into TOUCHING anything with tits for fuck's sake.
What's wrong with these guys? He's not even married or anything. Get fucking laid.
Remember Spitzer caught wiring $2,000 to a hooker?
Remember that governor from one of the Carolinas (I think) who just said fuckall and flew to Argentina to fuck his GF?
All these guys need is a quarterly fact-finding mission to Brazil. America would be a happier place, I tell you.
When was the last time Faux News would trash their heroes like, I don't know, Kavanaugh or Roy Moore or any other right-wing asshole caught with their pants down?
But CNN and MSNBC ripped democratic governor Cuomo all day long today. No epithets spared, no love lost. Fake news, yep, sure, aha.
On an unrelated note, are there more sad and pathetic creatures than USA Politicians?
The poor SOB couldn't help himself. He just had to TOUCH women. That's pathetic.
At least Clinton got something tangible from a consenting female. Cuomo is into TOUCHING anything with tits for fuck's sake.
What's wrong with these guys? He's not even married or anything. Get fucking laid.
Remember Spitzer caught wiring $2,000 to a hooker?
Remember that governor from one of the Carolinas (I think) who just said fuckall and flew to Argentina to fuck his GF?
All these guys need is a quarterly fact-finding mission to Brazil. America would be a happier place, I tell you.I'll bet that "you know who" doesn't call CNN's trashing of Cuomo or Biden's suggestion that Cuomo resign as "Fake news".
I'll also bet that he doesn't know what "confirmation bias" means.
On a side note, don't forget Jerry Springer who paid a hooker with a personal check.
Explorer8939
08-04-21, 15:05
Pelosi was in charge of security January 6. If she was worried about safety concerns she would have added security and called the National Guard. Not Trump. Pelosi fucked up. That is why she hand picked her committee so she would not have to answer why she did not have proper security. It is her job. She failed miserly and now wants to push the blame.
"Due to the rules of the United States Capitol, the power structure of the Capitol, Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, has more control and authority and responsibility over the leadership of the Capitol police than anyone else in the United States Capitol," Banks said. "So she doesn't want us to ask these questions because at the end of the day, she's ultimately responsible for the breakdown of security at the Capitol that happened on Jan. 6."
Pelosi as speaker does not directly oversee the USA Capitol Police (USCP), according to the Associated Press, but does appoint a House sergeant at arms, who is on the Capitol Police Board that oversees the department. The department is also overseen by committees from both houses of Congress.
Banks claimed that Pelosi does not want to talk about what happened at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and that she's "already predetermined a narrative about Donald Trump, about Republicans.You don't seem to understand how the Capitol Police force is structured. Please don't post stuff without doing the research first.
The AP is "fake news"? If this person believes that then clearly there is no reaching him. Certainly nothing can be done in this forum, or even through individual psychotherapy. Unfortunately, many people with a delusional disorder do not seek help. It often is difficult for people with a mental disorder to recognize that they are not well.If their delusion about provable facts being "fake news" while the easily debunked horseshit crapped out of Tucker Carlson, Laura Igraham, Sean Hannity, Donald Trump and the rest of the FUX News Channel traitors every day is the "gospel truth" only resulted in serious harm to themselves and no one else it would be a bad but hilarious joke.
Unfortunately, since it has shown to result in hundreds of thousands of American deaths, more around the world, massive USA job losses in the millions, Trillion$ in lost USA household wealth and now the potential destruction of American democracy, it can't be dismissed as a bad joke just on them. It is turning America into a shithole country the likes of which Americans used to pity.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/mary-trump-on-whether-donald-trump-will-run-again-in-2024-117869125703
https://mobile.twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1422633366361366529
Fake news posts are not acceptable on this site for rebuttals. If you are going to provide an alternative post it can't be fake news.Why is it that you label everything "fake news" except stuff from the always wrong "Gateway Pundit" or the crackpot "InfoWars".
You need to look up the term "Confirmation Bias". It is a real term.
If their delusion about provable facts being "fake news" while the easily debunked horseshit crapped out of Tucker Carlson, Laura Igraham, Sean Hannity, Donald Trump and the rest of the FUX News Channel traitors every day is the "gospel truth" only resulted in serious harm to themselves and no one else it would be a bad but hilarious joke.
Unfortunately, since it has shown to result in hundreds of thousands of American deaths, more around the world, massive USA job losses in the millions, Trillion$ in lost USA household wealth and now the potential destruction of American democracy, it can't be dismissed as a bad joke just on them. It is turning America into a shithole country the likes of which Americans used to pity.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/mary-trump-on-whether-donald-trump-will-run-again-in-2024-117869125703
https://mobile.twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1422633366361366529Keep watching the propaganda from Fake News CNN and MSNBC. It has worked for the Chinese and Russian governments for years. The democrats are destroying America like previous communist leaders. Keep watching fake news. Keep watching fake news about democrats helping the poor and helping blacks. Keep watching fake news telling you how great it is for Americans that they are letting millions of illegals get on government assistance. Let your grandkids suffer because of your stupidity. Hopefully you get to see your grandkids working to pay off your debt. It is comforting to know my 5 year old grandson won't be suffering like your grandkids because he already has more money for retirement now that all of you put together. You guys keep posting all the great imaginary things that Biden is doing.
The following report should alarm everyone here except the ISG doctors and Rethuglican anti-vaxxers. https://news.yahoo.com/delta-variant-making-younger-adults-120332333.html.
It is my fond hope that, for them, Darwinism is real.
Beijing4987
08-04-21, 19:13
"Overconfident Idiot" according to Real Estate Grifter Boy Wonder and now international financier, Kushie, KAC has received a hefty advance to get her licks in. Will she tear a new *hole for Fat Nixon? "Of all the White House insiders Kellyanne is going to write the most unvarnished, eye-popping account of her time working for the (EX) president. She's got some of us quaking in our boots" sources say. Will Huckleberry Sanders finally tell the truth (no "slip o' the tongue) in case she receives a subpoena to testify under oath again?
Why is it that you label everything "fake news" except stuff from the always wrong "Gateway Pundit" or the crackpot "InfoWars".
You need to look up the term "Confirmation Bias". It is a real term.Don't forget his favorite source, the World Tribune! Wink.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-tribune/
Keep watching the propaganda from Fake News CNN and MSNBC. It has worked for the Chinese and Russian governments for years.You're confused again. It's your cult leader who has worked for the Russian government for years.
It is comforting to know my 5 year old grandson won't be suffering like your grandkids because he already has more money for retirement now that all of you put together.Humble words from a modest man, indeed.
Humble words from a modest man, indeed.Rest assured that he's broke, hasn't even mongering money, as he hasn't a grasp on literacy plus he spends most of his days here reciting the same mantras. Not to mention that people with real wealth don't need to constantly brag about it.
Unfortunately, since it has shown to result in hundreds of thousands of American deaths, more around the world, massive USA job losses in the millions, Trillion$ in lost USA household wealth and now the potential destruction of American democracy, it can't be dismissed as a bad joke just on them. It is turning America into a shithole country the likes of which Americans used to pity.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/mary-trump-on-whether-donald-trump-will-run-again-in-2024-117869125703
https://mobile.twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1422633366361366529Agreed. And it's mindboggling that for the first time in the world history (historians may correct me if I'm wrong) this is happening in a rich, prosperous nation rather than a country devoured by a war or ravaged by hunger. Covid alone hasn't done it, it's Covid under Trump that's turned it into a perfect shitstorm.
Agreed. And it's mindboggling that for the first time in the world history (historians may correct me if I'm wrong) this is happening in a rich, prosperous nation rather than a country devoured by a war or ravaged by hunger. Covid alone hasn't done it, it's Covid under Trump that's turned it into a perfect shitstorm.Here is the root of all of America's current serious, crippling problems; the entire Republican Party is disgustingly rotten and anti-American democracy from the head down, even THEY know it, and there are too many of them in positions of power:
Mr Trump told Mr Rosen and Mr Donoghue to say that the election had been "illegal" and "corrupt", despite a lack of evidence for this claim and that election security experts had said that the election had been conducted in a safe, free, and fair manner.
...
Mr Donoghue's notes state that Mr Trump said: "Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the are. Congressmen."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-doj-2020-election-b1893990.html
Keep watching the propaganda from Fake News CNN and MSNBC. It has worked for the Chinese and Russian governments for years. The democrats are destroying America like previous communist leaders. Keep watching fake news. Keep watching fake news about democrats helping the poor and helping blacks. Keep watching fake news telling you how great it is for Americans that they are letting millions of illegals get on government assistance. Let your grandkids suffer because of your stupidity. Hopefully you get to see your grandkids working to pay off your debt. It is comforting to know my 5 year old grandson won't be suffering like your grandkids because he already has more money for retirement now that all of you put together. You guys keep posting all the great imaginary things that Biden is doing.How come Fux "News" hasn't reported on your BS story re: the dead CBP agent? Does that mean they are Fake News also? Why do you label every news source Fake News except discredited rightwingnut sources? Look up "Confirmation Bias". Look up "Projection".
You say that you're successful and smart, but you've almost never included links to back up your opinions like a real smart, successful person would. You have an opinion on everything but when you are contradicted with real proof, you take the grade-school and dump approach and spew names and yell "FAKE NEWS" at the top of your lungs.
And you call us stupid?
This is what I meant by saying even THEY know how disgustingly rotten and anti-American democracy from the head down every member of the Republican Party knows their Party is:
"... Mr Trump said: "Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R Congressmen."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-doj-2020-election-b1893990.html
Agreed. And it's mindboggling that for the first time in the world history (historians may correct me if I'm wrong) this is happening in a rich, prosperous nation rather than a country devoured by a war or ravaged by hunger. Covid alone hasn't done it, it's Covid under Trump that's turned it into a perfect shitstorm.Insofar as jobs lost, loss of wealth, I think the Great Depression was worse.
But the orange buffoon's botched response to COVID killed more Americans than all American combat deaths in WWII. His botched response resulted in America's average age going down. Of course, RethugliKKKans will be the first to equivocate but the facts are clear: the orange buffoon was to blame.
What I don't understand is why he has tried so hard to keep a job that he was so bad at. I guess the "Peter Principle" was right: he rose to his level of incompetence. Then got kicked to the curb.
Why is it that you label everything "fake news" except stuff from the always wrong "Gateway Pundit" or the crackpot "InfoWars".
You need to look up the term "Confirmation Bias". It is a real term.Fake news is fake news. You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. From Russian collusion to BLB. Fake news no matter how you dress it up.
If their delusion about provable facts being "fake news" while the easily debunked horseshit crapped out of Tucker Carlson, Laura Igraham, Sean Hannity, Donald Trump and the rest of the FUX News Channel traitors every day is the "gospel truth" only resulted in serious harm to themselves and no one else it would be a bad but hilarious joke.
Unfortunately, since it has shown to result in hundreds of thousands of American deaths, more around the world, massive USA job losses in the millions, Trillion$ in lost USA household wealth and now the potential destruction of American democracy, it can't be dismissed as a bad joke just on them. It is turning America into a shithole country the likes of which Americans used to pity.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/mary-trump-on-whether-donald-trump-will-run-again-in-2024-117869125703
https://mobile.twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1422633366361366529Yes it is Republicans standing for the National Anthem and honoring the fosters and stripes that is hurting the country. It is the a republicans that want a secure border and criminals prosecuted that hurst the USA. It is not the democrats who turn their back and kneel for the National Anthem that creates division. It is not the democrats who hate America, love illegal immigration and defund the police that hurt USA. It is not the democrats who are trying to eliminate ICE and Homeland security that hurts America. It is the hard working Republicans who pay taxes, support the police, ICE and Homeland security that is hurting USA.
Philosophus
08-05-21, 00:11
This is what I meant by saying even THEY know how disgustingly rotten and anti-American democracy from the head down every member of the Republican Party knows their Party is:There are many very good people in the Republican party. They seem to get drowned out at times. There are also utter and complete idiots who I won't honor by mentioning their irrelevant names. These people are and will be costing the Republican ticket votes. Their fanaticism to fudge the truth about a not so conservative narcicist with autocratic leanings will peter out. And a few good people liky Paul Ryan and others shall shine again.
What was Paul Ryan's position on govt spending when he was first elected and what was his legacy on govt spending when he left office?
There are many very good people in the Republican party. They seem to get drowned out at times. There are also utter and complete idiots who I won't honor by mentioning their irrelevant names. These people are and will be costing the Republican ticket votes. Their fanaticism to fudge the truth about a not so conservative narcicist with autocratic leanings will peter out. And a few good people liky Paul Ryan and others shall shine again.
Fake news is fake news. You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. From Russian collusion to BLB. Fake news no matter how you dress it up.You called "Riggo's Rag", a Washington Football Team fan site "fake news" solely because they contradicted your lie that some NFL teams were 80% unvaccinated. So, to you, anything is "fake news" that contradicts your, oftentimes warped, opinion. C'Mon., defend that. https://riggosrag.com/.
You called the Associated Press "fake news" when a poster used an AP article to prove you wrong. Again. The AP has been around since 1846. Do you actually think that they would have lasted for over 150 years if all they told were lies? C'Mon., defend that.
Then, when you came up with yet another lie about the death of a CBP afent, Fux "News" didn't report your lie. How come you didn't call them "fake news"? C'Mon, defend that.
And lastly, when CNN and other of your so-called "fake news" outlets pilloried Gov. Cuomo, what did you do? You stayed silent. How come? C'on, defend that.
What shade of lipstick do you wear?
Yes it is Republicans standing for the National Anthem and honoring the fosters and stripes that is hurting the country. It is the a republicans that want a secure border and criminals prosecuted that hurst the USA. It is not the democrats who turn their back and kneel for the National Anthem that creates division. It is not the democrats who hate America, love illegal immigration and defund the police that hurt USA. It is not the democrats who are trying to eliminate ICE and Homeland security that hurts America. It is the hard working Republicans who pay taxes, support the police, ICE and Homeland security that is hurting USA.And yet, with all of your unhinged rants, you still haven't bothered to post a link where a Democratic politician at the national level has said "I want open borders."
How come? Is Google hiding those pesky links again?
"A GOP official from Texas who regularly espoused anti-vaccine and anti-mask views online has died from COVID-19, five days after posting a meme on Facebook questioning the wisdom of getting inoculated against COVID."
https://news.yahoo.com/texas-gop-official-mocked-covid-213828504.html
Insofar as jobs lost, loss of wealth, I think the Great Depression was worse.
But the orange buffoon's botched response to COVID killed more Americans than all American combat deaths in WWII. His botched response resulted in America's average age going down. Of course, RethugliKKKans will be the first to equivocate but the facts are clear: the orange buffoon was to blame.
What I don't understand is why he has tried so hard to keep a job that he was so bad at. I guess the "Peter Principle" was right: he rose to his level of incompetence. Then got kicked to the curb.Yes, but I didn't mean the economic downturn or even loss of life due to the pandemic. I'm talking about the mindset of almost half of the Americans who're ready and willing to embrace authoritarian leaders and do away with democracy and our way of life.
That has never been the case. Not during the Great Depression, not ever. That's the last 30 years of American history, from Gingrich to Trump.
The Republican Party has become the only major ultra-right political party in the world. Another record.
Should we really be surprised that so many republicans are enamored with Putin?
How the GOP Became the Party of Putin
Republicans have sold their souls to Russia. And Trump isnt the only reason why
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/18/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-putin-215387/
There are many very good people in the Republican party. They seem to get drowned out at times. There are also utter and complete idiots who I won't honor by mentioning their irrelevant names. These people are and will be costing the Republican ticket votes. Their fanaticism to fudge the truth about a not so conservative narcicist with autocratic leanings will peter out. And a few good people liky Paul Ryan and others shall shine again.Anyone with access to current and historical facts and data who is still calling him/herself a Republican today is by far more of the problem than the solution. I'll even include those too embarrassed by the results of their Party's governance to call themselves a Republican and hide behind the term "Independent". If there are a couple of "good people" still suggesting any sane pro-American ought to vote for a Republican again after what they have been responsible for over the past 100 years or more, then they are horribly misguided "good people" and are every bit as bad for America as the knowingly and proud anti-America Repubs.
The reason those possible couple of "good people" in the Republican Party get drowned out is because producing positive results for America is not what their chosen Party is about. Never has been. Never will be. Their Party's mission is to produce the exact opposite of positive results for America. And in that mission they have proven to be terrifically competent and successful whenever the American electorate is foolish enough to give them another, another and another chance to demonstrate their expertise at doing that very thing and nothing else.
What was Paul Ryan's position on govt spending when he was first elected and what was his legacy on govt spending when he left office?https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html
Theres two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump, McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.
House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthys assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.When the Republican Party House Leader then and NOW openly acknowledged his Party's wildly and historically popular (with virtually ALL Republicans to this very day) so-called potus behaved AS THOUGH he was on Russia's payroll and might indeed have BEEN on Russia's payroll at the time but the Republican House Speaker demanded his fellow "America First" bullshitters swear an oath of secrecy about it, sorry, folks, that is NOT a "very good person" for anyone except Putin.
Imagine how different the world would be today and how many Americans would still be alive if that supposedly "very good person" Paul Ryan had not demanded his fellow Repubs behave and keep quiet about what every lucid person on the planet with at least minimal comprehension skills could figure out and instead, oh I don't know, spearheaded and supported an Impeachment, conviction and removal from office for Trump sometime before he wasted Trillion$ on that totally useless idiotic December 2017 economic legislation and defunded the CDC in 2018.
Yes, but I didn't mean the economic downturn or even loss of life due to the pandemic. I'm talking about the mindset of almost half of the Americans who're ready and willing to embrace authoritarian leaders and do away with democracy and our way of life.
That has never been the case. Not during the Great Depression, not ever. That's the last 30 years of American history, from Gingrich to Trump.
The Republican Party has become the only major ultra-right political party in the world. Another record.
Should we really be surprised that so many republicans are enamored with Putin?
How the GOP Became the Party of Putin
Republicans have sold their souls to Russia. And Trump isnt the only reason why
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/18/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-putin-215387/"Conservatives" and Republicans' favoring Putin over the duly elected President of the United States pre-dates Trump. There was nothing new about Trump's praise and admiration for Putin/Russia over America in the Republican Party. Trump simply fit in perfectly with the anti-Americanism his Party wanted to see and hear from their elected leaders.
Conservatives harbor an odd admiration for Vladimir Putin
March 7, 2014
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-xpm-2014-mar-07-la-na-tt-conservatives-admiration-for-putin-20140306-story.html
All of this suggests two things. One is that conservatives despise Obama as much as they ever detested any Soviet leader and so they give more slack to Russias president than they do to their own. The other is that todays conservatives like their leaders to be testosterone-driven tough guys who dispense with niceties and nuance.
Oh, how happy they would be if they could find their own Vladimir Putin to run for president in 2016.Of course, they despised Obama. He took over in the midst of still another Great Republican Crash, Recession/Depression and massive USA job destruction and, through his, Pelosi, Reid and the Dems' smarts, determination and strength produced and presided over one of the greatest and longest USA economic recoveries, expansions, jobs creation and stock market Bull Runs in history, all of which is the exact opposite of everything the Republican Party wants for America. By stark contrast, Trump delivered on their every wish beautifully.
"A GOP official from Texas who regularly espoused anti-vaccine and anti-mask views online has died from COVID-19, five days after posting a meme on Facebook questioning the wisdom of getting inoculated against COVID."
https://news.yahoo.com/texas-gop-official-mocked-covid-213828504.htmlSad, very sad indeed, when you think this all could have been avoided.
Dude leaves behind a wife and child. The wife is COVID positive, so let hope she pulls through for sake of the child.
"Conservatives" and Republicans' favoring Putin over the duly elected President of the United States pre-dates Trump. There was nothing new about Trump's praise and admiration for Putin/Russia over America in the Republican Party. Trump simply fit in perfectly with the anti-Americanism his Party wanted to see and hear from their elected leaders.
Conservatives harbor an odd admiration for Vladimir Putin
March 7, 2014
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-xpm-2014-mar-07-la-na-tt-conservatives-admiration-for-putin-20140306-story.html
Of course, they despised Obama. He took over in the midst of still another Great Republican Crash, Recession/Depression and massive USA job destruction and, through his, Pelosi, Reid and the Dems' smarts, determination and strength produced and presided over one of the greatest and longest USA economic recoveries, expansions, jobs creation and stock market Bull Runs in history, all of which is the exact opposite of everything the Republican Party wants for America. By stark contrast, Trump delivered on their every wish beautifully.Of course RethugliKKKants hate Obama. He is black. He put black people into positions of power and RethugliKKKans hated that. Look at how many of them have a HO for BLM. Of course, they'll point to a few instances of rioting and paint all of BLM as terrorists. Even the MAGA slogan is racist as I and others have long pointed out. https://medium.com/s/story/the-maga-hat-rorschach-test-41f466364cfc and https://chiniquy.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/african-americans-have-suffered-from-caucasian-american-terrorism-for-over-100-years/.
The sad part of all of this isn't that racism exists or that dumpism merely gave racists the cover to come out into the sunlight. No, the sad part is that HRC was right, at least in part. She called dumpers "a basket of deplorables". Since 74+ million of them voted for dump in 2020, she was wrong only in the size of the container.
I came across this as a comment on why liberals think Trump supporters are stupid?
It's well worth a read.
The serious answer: Here's what we really think about Trump supporters. The rich, the poor, the malignant and the innocently well-meaning, the ones who think and the ones who don't.
That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on scamming poor people, you thought "Fine."
That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff his creditors, you said, "Okay."
That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual abuse, you said, "No problem."
That when he made up stories about seeing Muslim-Americans in the thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said, "Not an issue."
That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and you wouldn't care, you chirped, "he sure knows me."
That when you heard him illustrate his own character by telling that cute story about the elderly guest bleeding on the floor at his country club, the story about how he turned his back and how it was all an imposition on him, you said, "That's cool!
That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest thing you ever saw.
That when you heard him brag that he doesn't read books, you said, "Well, who has time?
That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men convicted of a crime they didn't commit, and he angrily said that they should still be in prison, you said, "That makes sense."
That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and that he would hire attorneys, you thought, Yes!
That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man's coat before throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, "What a great guy!
That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis, and you have said, "Thumbs up!
That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral win, you said, "That's the way I want my President to be."
That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the industries they're supposed to be regulating and you have said, "What a genius!
That you have heard him continue to profit from his businesses, in part by leveraging his position as President, to the point of overcharging the Secret Service for space in the properties he owns, and you have said, "That's smart!
That you have heard him say that it was difficult to help Puerto Rico because it was in the middle of water and you have said, "That makes sense."
That you have seen him start fights with every country from Canada to New Zealand while praising Russia and quote, "falling in love" with the dictator of North Korea, and you have said, "That's statesmanship!
That Trump separated children from their families and put them in cages, managed to lose track of 1500 kids, has opened a tent city incarceration camp in the desert in Texas. He explains that they're just "animals" - and you say, "Well, OK then. "
That you have witnessed all the thousand and one other manifestations of corruption and low moral character and outright animalistic rudeness and contempt for you, the working American voter, and you still show up grinning and wearing your MAGA hats and threatening to beat up anybody who says otherwise.
What you don't get, Trump supporters in 2020, is that succumbing to frustration and thinking of you as stupid may be wrong and unhelpful, but it's also. Hear me. Charitable.
Because if you're NOT stupid, we must turn to other explanations, and most of them are less flattering.
Beijing4987
08-05-21, 18:39
The Repugnant Q Anon Party operates under a large tent in a wasteland of ideas. Religious zealots, white supremacy, gun nuts, liberal contrarians who want to control others lives, but insist "don't tread on my tea party" Yeah, the Democrats are silly, thinking they can counteract the trend towards an authoritarian "strong man" who would roll back decades of progressive laws. Yeah, sleepy joe is a fool, Harris, a ineffective place holder. The wall should be located at the Mason-Dixon Line and another surrounding "Greater Idaho".
I came across this as a comment on why liberals think Trump supporters are stupid?
It's well worth a read.
The serious answer: Here's what we really think about Trump supporters. The rich, the poor, the malignant and the innocently well-meaning, the ones who think and the ones who don't.
That when you saw a man who had owned a fraudulent University, intent on scamming poor people, you thought "Fine."
That when you saw a man who had made it his business practice to stiff his creditors, you said, "Okay."
That when you heard him proudly brag about his own history of sexual abuse, you said, "No problem."
That when he made up stories about seeing Muslim-Americans in the thousands cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center, you said, "Not an issue."
That when you saw him brag that he could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue and you wouldn't care, you chirped, "he sure knows me."
That when you heard him illustrate his own character by telling that cute story about the elderly guest bleeding on the floor at his country club, the story about how he turned his back and how it was all an imposition on him, you said, "That's cool!
That when you saw him mock the disabled, you thought it was the funniest thing you ever saw.
That when you heard him brag that he doesn't read books, you said, "Well, who has time?
That when the Central Park Five were compensated as innocent men convicted of a crime they didn't commit, and he angrily said that they should still be in prison, you said, "That makes sense."
That when you heard him tell his supporters to beat up protesters and that he would hire attorneys, you thought, Yes!
That when you heard him tell one rally to confiscate a man's coat before throwing him out into the freezing cold, you said, "What a great guy!
That you have watched the parade of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with whom he curries favor, while refusing to condemn outright Nazis, and you have said, "Thumbs up!
That you hear him unable to talk to foreign dignitaries without insulting their countries and demanding that they praise his electoral win, you said, "That's the way I want my President to be."
That you have watched him remove expertise from all layers of government in favor of people who make money off of eliminating protections in the industries they're supposed to be regulating and you have said, "What a genius!
Yes, but I didn't mean the economic downturn or even loss of life due to the pandemic. I'm talking about the mindset of almost half of the Americans who're ready and willing to embrace authoritarian leaders and do away with democracy and our way of life.
That has never been the case. Not during the Great Depression, not ever. That's the last 30 years of American history, from Gingrich to Trump.
The Republican Party has become the only major ultra-right political party in the world. Another record.
Should we really be surprised that so many republicans are enamored with Putin?
How the GOP Became the Party of Putin
Republicans have sold their souls to Russia. And Trump isnt the only reason why
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/18/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-putin-215387/Shelved 2017 article by a fruity piss boy who has never stepped out of the sandbox. Why bother to re-post such nonsense? Here is from today:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/george-soros-dismantle-replace-minneapolis-police
Shelved 2017 article by a fruity piss boy who has never stepped out of the sandbox. Why bother to re-post such nonsense? Here is from today:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/george-soros-dismantle-replace-minneapolis-policeAnd what, pray tell, does this drivel have to do with the sick republicans' fascination with Putin?
And what, pray tell, does this drivel have to do with the sick republicans' fascination with Putin?I was about to ask the same question but you beat me to it. Chalk it up as a case of whataboutism extraordinaire. Wink.
Of course RethugliKKKants hate Obama. He is black. He put black people into positions of power and RethugliKKKans hated that. Look at how many of them have a HO for BLM. Of course, they'll point to a few instances of rioting and paint all of BLM as terrorists. Even the MAGA slogan is racist as I and others have long pointed out. https://medium.com/s/story/the-maga-hat-rorschach-test-41f466364cfc and https://chiniquy.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/african-americans-have-suffered-from-caucasian-american-terrorism-for-over-100-years/.
The sad part of all of this isn't that racism exists or that dumpism merely gave racists the cover to come out into the sunlight. No, the sad part is that HRC was right, at least in part. She called dumpers "a basket of deplorables". Since 74+ million of them voted for dump in 2020, she was wrong only in the size of the container.Oh, sure, the fact that Obama is black AND turned around the typical shit results he inherited from the outgoing Repub to produce the same far superior USA economic, jobs creation and national security results over Repubs that every other Dem produced for the past 100 years or more meant he will always be a special target for their hatred.
But Repubs despised FDR, JFK/LBJ, Carter, Clinton and now Biden for the same latter reason without any of them being black. Truman not so much only because he did not spoil the Repub fun of destroying the USA economy by dramatically turning it around when he took over. FDR had already done that.
This earlier post was a great and painfully truthful summation, btw:
I copied this but it is still worth reading.
The person from NOTB claims (falsely, of course) that there are no jobs Americans won't do. This, of course, is the standard Republican talking point about increased unemployment benefits.
So, for him and the rest of the fascists, here's an article about picking Chile in New Mexico. Yes, the article is an "opinion piece". But the author researched newspaper articles going back 50 years and has included dates, names, etc. https://news.yahoo.com/opinion-backbreaking-jobs-chile-farms-060300514.html.
Of, course, the fascists will all shout "Lügenpresse".
Perhaps there is yet hope for the GOP? A come from behind victory by Republican Jake Ellzey of Texas, beat Trumpster-backed Susan Wright, to win a US House seat . . . Arhhh Man! Well that was short lived, as Mike Carey wins in Ohio.
"Trump-backed congressional candidate Mike Carey wins Ohio Republican primary. . . " https://nypost.com/2021/08/03/trump-backed-house-candidate-mike-carey-wins-ohio-gop-primary.
It would seem the GOP aren't yet done with the Orange Throne. Is the candle of hope flickering out for the GOP?
Arhhh Man! Well that was short lived, as Mike Carey wins in Ohio.
"Trump-backed congressional candidate Mike Carey wins Ohio Republican primary. . . " https://nypost.com/2021/08/03/trump-backed-house-candidate-mike-carey-wins-ohio-gop-primary.
It would seem the GOP aren't yet done with the Orange Throne. Is the candle of hope flickering out for the GOP?The QOP won't be done with dump until they realize that dump is a fascist and that the QOP is full of white supremacists, racists, xenophobes, homophobes and misogynists. It will take overwhelming losses in 2022 and 2024 (at least) to do that.
The old adage used to be "When you open up a can of worms, the only way to re-can them is to use a larger can. " Rethuglicans need to say "When you open up a can of worms, sometimes you need to feed the rotten ones to the birds. "
And what, pray tell, does this drivel have to do with the sick republicans' fascination with Putin?While you're quoting from the lamestream media, do us a favor with producing a reputable quote by the Republican Member of Congress, to prove such 'fascination'. Moreover, reading is essential, and too often posters don't even bother to read and comprehend the article they posted. Then maybe they belong to 'Stupid shit in. ' type of threads.
While you're quoting from the lamestream media, do us a favor with producing a reputable quote by the Republican Member of Congress, to prove such 'fascination'. Moreover, reading is essential, and too often posters don't even bother to read and comprehend the article they posted. Then maybe they belong to 'Stupid shit in. ' type of threads.Why do I have to produce a "reputable quote by the Republican Member of Congress" to prove the general Republicans' fascination with Putin? I guess, some people "don't even bother to read and comprehend" the post they're replying to.
Not even mentioning that finding any "reputable" quote blubbered by the Republican Congressmen is a muy tall order.
Shelved 2017 article by a fruity piss boy who has never stepped out of the sandbox. Why bother to re-post such nonsense? Here is from today:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/george-soros-dismantle-replace-minneapolis-policeThe problem with using Fux "News" as a source for anything is that most of their reporting is unadulterated BS. In other words, Fux "News" is fake news.
While you're quoting from the lamestream media, do us a favor with producing a reputable quote by the Republican Member of Congress, to prove such 'fascination'. Moreover, reading is essential, and too often posters don't even bother to read and comprehend the article they posted. Then maybe they belong to 'Stupid shit in. ' type of threads.How about a quote from the orange god? Will that work? Here's something from the following link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812.
At a news conference after the summit, President Trump was asked if he believed his own intelligence agencies or the Russian president when it came to the allegations of meddling in the elections.
"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be," he replied.
US intelligence agencies concluded in 2016 that Russia was behind an effort to tip the scale of the US election against Hillary Clinton, with a state-authorized campaign of cyber attacks and fake news stories planted on social media.
Somehow Fux "News" forgot to report that, eh?
ScatManDoo
08-07-21, 00:48
The QOP won't be done with dump until they realize that dump is a fascist and that the QOP is full of white supremacists, racists, xenophobes, homophobes and misogynists. It will take overwhelming losses in 2022 and 2024 (at least) to do that.This is what I was looking forward to seeing.
Next season on GOP TV.
The QOP won't be done with dump until they realize that dump is a fascist and that the QOP is full of white supremacists, racists, xenophobes, homophobes and misogynists. It will take overwhelming losses in 2022 and 2024 (at least) to do that.
...Unfortunately, those were precisely the things they loved about Trump from the moment he announced his candidacy in front of all those hired actors pretending to wildly support him and will continue to love about him and every other GQP TrumpClone candidate that comes along.
Those are precisely the things they want out of their GQP Repub leaders and the only reasons they rush to the polling places to vote for them and elect them. It certainly can't possibly be for USA Economic Growth and Expansion, Jobs Creation, Deficit Reduction, Stronger Border Control, National Security or anything else that Party only gives lip service to but have never delivered in a century or more.
Their GQP Repub pols' sole focus now is to suppress enough Dem votes to shift 2-3 percentage points to the Repubs in all the right places and then rig the vote count by appointed GQP Repub partisans so they never suffer election losses again, otherwise known as "overthrowing American democracy."
Unfortunately, those were precisely the things they loved about Trump from the moment he announced his candidacy in front of all those hired actors pretending to wildly support him and will continue to love about him and every other GQP TrumpClone candidate that comes along.
Those are precisely the things they want out of their GQP Repub leaders and the only reasons they rush to the polling places to vote for them and elect them. It certainly can't possibly be for USA Economic Growth and Expansion, Jobs Creation, Deficit Reduction, Stronger Border Control, National Security or anything else that Party only gives lip service to but have never delivered in a century or more.
Their GQP Repub pols' sole focus now is to suppress enough Dem votes to shift 2-3 percentage points to the Repubs in all the right places and then rig the vote count by appointed GQP Repub partisans so they never suffer election losses again, otherwise known as "overthrowing American democracy."I agree that the QOP today are all fascists, white supremacists, etc.
But in the 2024 Presidential election, only 4 things can happen: a huge Democratic victory; a narrow Democratic victory; a huge Republican victory; or a narrow Republican victory. It is doubtful that the Republicans will win big. But here's what will happen in the other instances:
A small Republican victory will embolden Republicans to do stupid stuff but they probably won't get away with much. This will be dump 2.0.
A small Democratic victory will send Republicans over the edge. In the states they lose narrowly they will take over the state election boards and declare Republican victory. They will then proceed to install a Republican dictator which will signal the end of democracy as we know it.
Only a huge Democratic victory will convince Republicans that the kooks have got to go.
I agree that the QOP today are all fascists, white supremacists, etc.
But in the 2024 Presidential election, only 4 things can happen: a huge Democratic victory; a narrow Democratic victory; a huge Republican victory; or a narrow Republican victory. It is doubtful that the Republicans will win big. But here's what will happen in the other instances:
A small Republican victory will embolden Republicans to do stupid stuff but they probably won't get away with much. This will be dump 2.0.
A small Democratic victory will send Republicans over the edge. In the states they lose narrowly they will take over the state election boards and declare Republican victory. They will then proceed to install a Republican dictator which will signal the end of democracy as we know it.
Only a huge Democratic victory will convince Republicans that the kooks have got to go.You know GQP Repub legislatures in almost every state are passing laws right now to rig the elections in their favor as much as possible and where a Dem victory occurs in spite of that their appointed QAnon Repub Fraudit Ninja vote counters will simply throw out the Dem votes and only count the QAnon Repub votes, right?
And, bear in mind, anything OTHER than an overwhelming Dem victory will still be claimed by the QAnon Repubs and the always pro QAnon Repub mainstream media to be "A Great QAnon Republican Victory!" anyway and will continue to embolden them toward more legislative anti-America Sedition and Violent Insurrection.
As usual.
In fact, correction, even an overwhelming Dem victory will be claimed by QAnon Repubs and the always pro QAnon Repub mainstream media to be a terrible loss for the poor loser Dems and a Great Victory! for the always winner QAnon Repubs just as we have seen them do after Traitor Trump and his QAnon Repub Party suffered more losses to the Dems in the White House, Senate and House over the past 4 years than at any time since (R)Herbert Hoover was president almost 100 years ago. LOL.
The QAnon Repub Party is the "Covid19-Delta Variation-Delta Variation Plus-Etc Etc Etc" of American democracy. Even if everyone else is vaccinated against the current version, the unvaccinated (by choice) will still be there to mutate into stronger, more virulent and more deadly versions threatening life and limb of the majority and of American democracy itself, not just for themselves.
Elvis 2008
08-08-21, 13:01
Anyone with access to current and historical facts and data who is still calling him/herself a Republican today is by far more of the problem than the solution.Anyone huh?
There are exceptions, but I expect a student or a senior to vote Democrat out of their financial interests. I expect a small business owner to vote Republican out of their financial interests.
What I call Democratic are guys here who make the argument that anyone who votes Republican is a second class, knuckle dragging specimen, and you Eih are clearly one of those guys.
It offends me that bashing Republicans has become so normal in your world that you bring it to a hooker board. I swear to God all you douches who were asked what is the first word that comes to mind when you hear the word Republican is stupid.
When you make a dumb comment like the one you made, anyone who calls themselves Republican is more of a problem than a solution, I shudder. You are defining all people in one group BY HOW THEY VOTE. WTF is wrong with you?
I have a prominent Republican friend who is a major donor. He has does more effing charity work in his life than you would do in ten of yours. He supports Republicans because that is the party that rules in his area, and he supports them because it is critical to his business.
He learned early on that if he went into court without having financially supported a judge, he would get screwed. Financing the campaign of Republican judges was necessary for his business, and his business employs hundreds of people. And he should vote Democrat because it benefits you? Or you think it is smart?
And when you make comments like you just did and Trump is Hitler, wouldn't you Democratic have a moral imperative to steal the election? All it took was 40,000 or so votes to be changed.
You cannot have it both ways. If Republicans are evil, then it was entirely moral to steal the election, yet you deny that it was even possible. Anyone suggesting it was possible, and it could have been done so easily, is a conspiracy believing nut job. Clearly, you have no respect for the opinion of people that are different than yours.
So as far as I am concerned, you can have this form while you all jack yourselves off. I have respect for people who vote Democrat. I have no respect for a bunch of arrogant Democratic who make the kind of comment you just did. So Democrats have always been right on everything and always will be? Yeesh. Again, WTF is wrong with you people?
Anyone huh?
There are exceptions, but I expect a student or a senior to vote Democrat out of their financial interests. I expect a small business owner to vote Republican out of their financial interests.
What I call Democratic are guys here who make the argument that anyone who votes Republican is a second class, knuckle dragging specimen, and you Eih are clearly one of those guys.
It offends me that bashing Republicans has become so normal in your world that you bring it to a hooker board. I swear to God all you douches who were asked what is the first word that comes to mind when you hear the word Republican is stupid.
When you make a dumb comment like the one you made, anyone who calls themselves Republican is more of a problem than a solution, I shudder. You are defining all people in one group BY HOW THEY VOTE. WTF is wrong with you?
I have a prominent Republican friend who is a major donor. He has does more effing charity work in his life than you would do in ten of yours. He supports Republicans because that is the party that rules in his area, and he supports them because it is critical to his business.
He learned early on that if he went into court without having financially supported a judge, he would get screwed. Financing the campaign of Republican judges was necessary for his business, and his business employs hundreds of people. And he should vote Democrat because it benefits you? Or you think it is smart?
And when you make comments like you just did and Trump is Hitler, wouldn't you Democratic have a moral imperative to steal the election? All it took was 40,000 or so votes to be changed.
You cannot have it both ways. If Republicans are evil, then it was entirely moral to steal the election, yet you deny that it was even possible. Anyone suggesting it was possible, and it could have been done so easily, is a conspiracy believing nut job. Clearly, you have no respect for the opinion of people that are different than yours.
So as far as I am concerned, you can have this form while you all jack yourselves off. I have respect for people who vote Democrat. I have no respect for a bunch of arrogant Democratic who make the kind of comment you just did. So Democrats have always been right on everything and always will be? Yeesh. Again, WTF is wrong with you people?Interesting. Just a few questions:
Which one of the Great Repub Crashes, Recessions, Depressions and Massive Job Losses did your small business owner friends appreciate the most?
Which Repub major economic downturn of the past 100 years do you suppose inspire them to vote for Repubs again and again? (R)Hoover's? (R)Eisenhwer's serial Recessions? (R)Reagan"s really big one? (R)Bush1's long one? One of (R)W's? Maybe (R)Nixon's Long National Nightmare was the inspiration. Or was (R)Trump's historic economic Crash including his idiotic economic decisions that led directly to hundreds of thousands of American deaths the one that really get them fired up excited to vote Repub again?
Different opinions are fine. Which of the 60+ opinions of the judges who blasted and laughed (R)Trump's and the Repubs' lawyers out of their courtroom for claiming something about Traitor (R)Trump's Big "Stop The Steal!" Lie for which they had absolutely zero evidence did you respect the most? I respected all of them.
Democrats don't have to be right about everything. They just have to avoid making the same stupid disastrous economic decisions that Repubs make over and over again and will most certainly make again as soon as the American electorate foolishly gives them the slightest opportunity to do so. Guaranteed.
There are exceptions, but I expect a student or a senior to vote Democrat out of their financial interests. I expect a small business owner to vote Republican out of their financial interests.
What I call Democratic are guys here who make the argument that anyone who votes Republican is a second class, knuckle dragging specimen?Exceptions notwithstanding, would you expect someone who frequents a hooker board to be casting his vote so Camela Harris can be his President? Could you venture an idea of what she would think about what's posted here and what she'd do about it if given half a chance.
Interesting. Just a few questions:
Which one of the Great Repub Crashes, Recessions, Depressions and Massive Job Losses did your small business owner friends appreciate the most?
Which Repub major economic downturn of the past 100 years do you suppose inspire them to vote for Repubs again and again? (R)Hoover's? (R)Eisenhwer's serial Recessions? (R)Reagan"s really big one? (R)Bush1's long one? One of (R)W's? Maybe (R)Nixon's Long National Nightmare was the inspiration. Or was (R)Trump's historic economic Crash including his idiotic economic decisions that led directly to hundreds of thousands of American deaths the one that really get them fired up excited to vote Repub again?.These are questions that certainly demand answers, straight ones, and something beyond the usual song and dance. Is amazing all through the Clinton years, with a booming economy and balanced budget, all they could talk about was sex. That's even while the bathroom stall footsie "I'm not gay" boy was on the loose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig
Or this ass clown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Livingston
Direct answers to direct questions would be most refreshing, but don't hold your breath. It's amazing how people can so continually be lured to vote against their own interests, and the tactic is typically divide and conquer, IE. Race baiting / "these young black males are coming to burbs en mass to rape all your daughters." Wink.
How about a quote from the orange god? Will that work? Here's something from the following link: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812.
At a news conference after the summit, President Trump was asked if he believed his own intelligence agencies or the Russian president when it came to the allegations of meddling in the elections.
"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be," he replied.
US intelligence agencies concluded in 2016 that Russia was behind an effort to tip the scale of the US election against Hillary Clinton, with a state-authorized campaign of cyber attacks and fake news stories planted on social media.
Somehow Fux "News" forgot to report that, eh?Is incredible, the crying about "mainstream" or "corporate" media while they run to Info Wars, News Max, the World Tribune, or the Fox night time tabloid propaganda hours, all of which give new meaning to the phrase "fake news. " Well a great prophet once said that "the poor" will always be with us. The same can be said for the gullible.
Anyone huh?
There are exceptions, but I expect a student or a senior to vote Democrat out of their financial interests. I expect a small business owner to vote Republican out of their financial interests.
People who make the argument that anyone who votes Republican is a second class, knuckle dragging specimen.Have you read any of Canada's posts? He is the personification of your definition of a Republican.
Darwin Strikes Again"A GOP official from Texas who regularly espoused anti-vaccine and anti-mask views online has died from COVID-19, five days after posting a meme on Facebook questioning the wisdom of getting inoculated against COVID." https://news.yahoo.com/texas-gop-official-mocked-covid-213828504.html
Have you read any of Canada's posts? He is the personification of your definition of a Republican.
Anti-Vaxxer, Florida Radio Host (and "Trump-Humper" Dick Farrel, Who railed against Vaccines, dies of COVID-19.
It's reported at the end of his death, he urged friends to get vaccinated and told friends, "... I wish I had gotten it (the vaccine) " after previously mocking vaccines and calling Covid-19 a 'scamdemic'
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dick-farrell-death-covid-vaccine-b1899092.html
The award that just keeps on giving.
Is amazing all through the Clinton years, with a booming economy and balanced budget, all they could talk about was sex. It's even more amazing that both Gingrich and Starr, the same very assholes who impeached Clinton for lying about a blowjob (oh humanity!) have found nothing wrong in Trump's criminal attempts to push Ukrainian president into digging dirt on his political rival.
Anti-Vaxxer, Florida Radio Host (and "Trump-Humper" Dick Farrel, Who railed against Vaccines, dies of COVID-19.
It's reported at the end of his death, he urged friends to get vaccinated and told friends, "... I wish I had gotten it (the vaccine) " after previously mocking vaccines and calling Covid-19 a 'scamdemic'
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dick-farrell-death-covid-vaccine-b1899092.html
The award that just keeps on giving.DeSantis' fans are livid that CNN host Acosta called Covid "DeSantis virus. ".
They're wrong. It's the Delta strain that Acosta suggested naming after the new and shiny GOP star, not the original Covid.
The original Covid-19 is still Trump's virus, and always will be. No competition.
Elvis 2008
08-09-21, 21:25
Which one of the Great Repub Crashes, Recessions, Depressions and Massive Job Losses did your small business owner friends appreciate the most?
Which Repub major economic downturn of the past 100 years do you suppose inspire them to vote for Repubs again and again? (R)Hoover's? (R)Eisenhwer's serial Recessions? (R)Reagan"s really big one? (R)Bush1's long one? One of (R)W's? Maybe (R)Nixon's Long National Nightmare was the inspiration. Or was (R)Trump's historic economic Crash including his idiotic economic decisions that led directly to hundreds of thousands of American deaths the one that really get them fired up excited to vote Repub again?.Jesus, I am not even going to respond to that. If we had your way, there would be one party rule like communist China. All good was done by Democrats and all bad by Republicans? It makes me wonder why you live in the USA when you so badly crave a one party oligarchy. Good and evil are in your mind defined by political party choices. Do you feel the same way about religion too?
These are questions that certainly demand answers, straight ones, and something beyond the usual song and dance. Is amazing all through the Clinton years, with a booming economy and balanced budget, all they could talk about was sex. That's even while the bathroom stall footsie "I'm not gay" boy was on the loose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig
Or this ass clown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Livingston
Direct answers to direct questions would be most refreshing, but don't hold your breath. It's amazing how people can so continually be lured to vote against their own interests, and the tactic is typically divide and conquer, IE. Race baiting / "these young black males are coming to burbs en mass to rape all your daughters." Wink.Repub voters might not have done enough self examination to understand their own mindset as well as Donald J. Trump and I understand their mindset.
Here is what Trump and I know about the Repub voter mindset: "owning the libs" by winning elections and gaining more power is everything. The results of those won elections is nothing.
Anybody notice how many times Trump returned time and time again to regaling his bussed in rally goers about that Glorious Night in November 2016? I think he is still mentioning it in his sucker personal fund raising get togethers. Unless it has now been totally replaced with regaling them about his Big Lie that he won the 2020 election "by a LOT!"
Traitor Trump's cop-attacking and killing violent Insurrection on January 6, 2021 will forever stand as a symbol for how critically and exclusively important "winning" is over all else to the Repub voter. Not just the ones who were there attacking and trying to kill cops to get their way. Also to the growing number among them who deny that anything worth paying much attention to even happened. Overthrowing American democracy is a tiny price to pay if any price at all as long as they get that "win" by any means necessary.
Nevermind that the guy they insisted should be given Four More Years had already produced and presided over the worst economic and national security results of all time.
Nevermind that their "winning" Repub candidates produced and presided over every major economic downturn of the past century and none of the historic recoveries and expansions.
Nevermind that by the end of their latest "winning" so-called potus' term the Repub Party has racked up more USA job losses than gains since the creation of their Party in the 1850's!
If anything, the WORSE results their "winning" pols produce, the better effect it has on "owning the libs" and the more exhilarating the "winning" election night is for them.
This is all part of their patholigical authoritarian psychosis. Winning, power, control is everything. Whatever happens after that doesn't matter to them in the least. Which is exactly what gives their "winning" potus' licence to produce shit results over and over again.
LOL. That is why I harped on the idea that those of us who pushed back on the other thread's poster who started a misplaced political topic by slamming "obamacare" and "the Dems" were handing his ass to him. They were fine with his message regardless where it popped up. That's why none of them quoted his posts or the one that defended him to slam them for being misplaced.
What they really objected to was that it became clear he was getting his ass handed to him for it by other posters. His interjecting of that message was not turning out to be a "win" for him and that's when they rushed to put a stop to it. Winning vs Losing is the only way to get their attention. They couldn't care less about the results of their "win."
Jesus, I am not even going to respond to that. If we had your way, there would be one party rule like communist China. All good was done by Democrats and all bad by Republicans? It makes me wonder why you live in the USA when you so badly crave a one party oligarchy. Good and evil are in your mind defined by political party choices. Do you feel the same way about religion too?The Founding Fathers made no provision for different political parties. There is nothing in the Constitution regarding different political parties. The concept of "Checks and Balances" in American governance has nothing whatsoever to do with different political parties.
ScatManDoo
08-10-21, 02:59
What I call Democratic are guys here who make the argument that anyone who votes Republican is a second class, knuckle dragging specimen, and you Eih are clearly one of those guys.
It offends me that bashing Republicans has become so normal in your world that you bring it to a hooker board. I swear to God all you douches who were asked what is the first word that comes to mind when you hear the word Republican is stupid.It offends me that republican governors in Texas and Florida have tried to enforce Anti-mask mandates.
Putting schoolchildren at unnecessary risk to get infected with all old and new variants of Covid.
Hospital space to treat Codid-19 patients is running out in Texas and Florida.
And they are trying to prevent people from wearing masks?
That is very stupid.
Here is what Trump and I know about the Repub voter mindset: "owning the libs" by winning elections and gaining more power is everything. The results of those won elections is nothing.You just reminded me of a neighbor of mine who had a "Make the Liberals Cry Again" flag up in his yard. Some of us were setting the over and under on how long before he took it down, and it was about a month past election day. But you can't have any sympathy for these guys when they kick, scream, and cry. Couldn't happen to a bunch of nicer folks.
Jesus, I am not even going to respond to that. If we had your way, there would be one party rule like communist China. All good was done by Democrats and all bad by Republicans? It makes me wonder why you live in the USA when you so badly crave a one party oligarchy. Good and evil are in your mind defined by political party choices. Do you feel the same way about religion too?I for one would love more parties than two. I think we need at least 4. Because right now every aspiring politician is forced to choose between 2 major parties instead of landing with the party they really belong. I believe, or at least still hope, that if there were at least two large parties on the right and two on the left, then all totalitarian-minded, degenerate Qanon-worshiping, white supremacist scumbags could join something like a National Party in France, while on the left anarchists and socialists / commies would be happy in a party like, I don't know, Germany's The Left. That would leave centrist Democrats and Republicans being able to act like responsible grown-ups. Maybe.
And as a bonus, Republicans wouldn't have had to sell their souls to a disgusting sociopathic authoritarian.
I for one would love more parties than two. I think we need at least 4. Because right now every aspiring politician is forced to choose between 2 major parties instead of landing with the party they really belong. I believe, or at least still hope, that if there were at least two large parties on the right and two on the left, then all totalitarian-minded, degenerate Qanon-worshiping, white supremacist scumbags could join something like a National Party in France, while on the left anarchists and socialists / commies would be happy in a party like, I don't know, Germany's The Left. That would leave centrist Democrats and Republicans being able to act like responsible grown-ups. Maybe.
And as a bonus, Republicans wouldn't have had to sell their souls to a disgusting sociopathic authoritarian.That's a very timely post as I just read an article from a political scientist that hits on these points.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/two-party-system-broke-constitution/604213/
I've obviously got better things to do than correct brainwashed on a ho board, but given all their shrieking about the covid hoax (99.9% survival rate; average age of death 85) the recent story about their lord and saviour AdmiralGeneral Barack Hussein, President-for-life of the Demofakenews tribe, is too good to let go. No surprise none of them have mentioned it below.
Here we have the very same deep state establishment Washington fake news "elites" who are attempting to force the little people / plebs / unwashed masses into getting masks surgically attached to their faces, even replacing them between bites and sips during meals, and trying to shame, harass and even criminalize anyone who refuses to shut up and obey. They are now going even further, attempting to implement a stasi-style "vaccine pass", in which formerly free Americans can be stopped at any time by state agents demanding to see their papers, with negative consequences for those unable or unwilling to submit.
In addition, they have a frothing meltdown whenever a group of a few hundred right-wing heritage American patriots meet up anywhere, calling them "superspreaders". But apparently the virus discriminates politically, as they have no problem when thousands of their far-left BLM / antifa base gather in close proximity to riot, loot and burn cities and attack federal buildings.
And yet for the AdmiralGeneral's 60th birthday, he threw a maskless party for 500 guests (and 200 servants) at the vast Martha's Vineyard mansion in which he and his husband Big Mike are oppressed by racism. No masks, no social distancing and no vaccine passes for the elites over whom the midwits on this board fawn from behind their masks, locked in their hovels like well-behaved little serfs, loving their masters.
Establishment fake news mouthpiece CNN excused the event, saying that the attendees were "sophisticated", therefore the restrictions they brutally enforce upon the rest of the population do not apply to them. So now we know another cure for covid: not only being a violent far-left marxist, but also being "sophisticated". Why bother with vaccines at all. We can just send out copies of the Communist Manifesto and give everyone elocution lessons, which will make them all immune. Problem solved!
I've obviously got better things to do than correct brainwashed on a ho board, but given all their shrieking about the covid hoax (99.9% survival rate; average age of death 85) the recent story about their lord and saviour AdmiralGeneral Barack Hussein, President-for-life of the Demofakenews tribe, is too good to let go. No surprise none of them have mentioned it below.
Here we have the very same deep state establishment Washington fake news "elites" who are attempting to force the little people / plebs / unwashed masses into getting masks surgically attached to their faces, even replacing them between bites and sips during meals, and trying to shame, harass and even criminalize anyone who refuses to shut up and obey. They are now going even further, attempting to implement a stasi-style "vaccine pass", in which formerly free Americans can be stopped at any time by state agents demanding to see their papers, with negative consequences for those unable or unwilling to submit.
In addition, they have a frothing meltdown whenever a group of a few hundred right-wing heritage American patriots meet up anywhere, calling them "superspreaders". But apparently the virus discriminates politically, as they have no problem when thousands of their far-left BLM / antifa base gather in close proximity to riot, loot and burn cities and attack federal buildings.
And yet for the AdmiralGeneral's 60th birthday, he threw a maskless party for 500 guests (and 200 servants) at the vast Martha's Vineyard mansion in which he and his husband Big Mike are oppressed by racism. No masks, no social distancing and no vaccine passes for the elites over whom the midwits on this board fawn from behind their masks, locked in their hovels like well-behaved little serfs, loving their masters.My reply to this rant reminds Re a few lines from Shakespeare's Macbeth. Specifically Act 5, Scene 5, lines 25–27.
SouthEaster
08-11-21, 00:11
Covid hoax, masks surgically attached to their faces, stasi style, (who the fuck is?) Big Mike, blah blah blah. You couldn't make this shit up. Oh wait, he did. What next? Whatever it is it will surely have little to do with reality.
ScatManDoo
08-11-21, 00:30
My reply to this rant reminds Re a few lines from Shakespeare's Macbeth. Specifically Act 5, Scene 5, lines 25-27.I like lines 24 to 28.
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,24.
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,25.
And then is heard no more. It is a tale26.
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,27.
Signifying nothing. 28.
LOL. Irresponsible, mass murderer Repub Texas Governor Abbott is now begging more responsible governors of other states to rescue all the geniuses who foolishly moved to his state from dying of Trump's Pandemic virus.
Preview of Coming Attractions for Florida's irresponsible, mass murdering Repub Governor DeSantis:
Texas Gov. Abbott Seeks Out-Of-State Help Against COVID-19.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott is appealing for out-of-state help to fight the third wave of COVID-19.
Aug. 10, 2021.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/texas/articles/2021-08-09/abbott-appeals-for-out-of-state-help-against-covid-19
P.S. a reminder that these Repub mass murders of Americans are the result of economic decisions to refuse mask and certain closure mandates that they decide are too much of a financial burden to bear. Exactly the economic decision reasoning mass murderer Trump used to "save" us a few measly million$ by dramatically defunding the CDC, removing them from their oversight and monitoring positions in those Chinese virus research labs and thereby effectively dismantled our (and the world's) Pandemic Prevention and Response system in 2018 against all expert advice and serious warnings not to do that.
Thus us how the always pro Repub mainstream media comes to their oft stated lie that "Republicans are better at handling the economy than Demicrats."
My reply to this rant reminds Re a few lines from Shakespeare's Macbeth. Specifically Act 5, Scene 5, lines 2527.My reply to this rant is he didn't even point out what the mainstream media 'splained: the people at Barry's soiree were 'vaccine sophisticated'.
Maybe the Florida state and local health officials who requested this out of dire need didn't dare tell their Trump Wannabe Repub governor about it for fear of bursting his "Always Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!" Repub delusion bubble.
U.S. sends hundreds of ventilators to Florida as Covid surge continues.
As of Tuesday, 14,787 people were hospitalized, 145 percent more than during the state's previous peak in July 2020, a state hospital group said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/u-s-government-sends-hundreds-ventilators-florida-covid-surge-continues-n1276515
Local and state health officials request equipment from the stockpile.
Gov. Ron DeSantis said he was unaware of the federal allocation when he was asked about it Tuesday by WPLG-TV of Miami, which first reported on the ventilators.
I've obviously got better things to dos.No, you obviously don't.
And yet for the AdmiralGeneral's 60th birthday, he threw a maskless party for 500 guests (and 200 servants) Full stop. 475 people were invited, but it was scaled back. 200 people actually attended. I have no idea where you got 200 servants, but why don't you enlighten us?
No masks, no social distancing and no vaccine passes for the elites over whom the midwits on this board fawn from behind their masks, locked in their hovels like well-behaved little serfs, loving their masters.
Establishment fake news mouthpiece CNN excused the event, saying that the attendees were "sophisticated", therefore the restrictions they brutally enforce upon the rest of the population do not apply to them. You aren't forgetting something, are you?
The event was held outdoors. Outdoors makes all difference in the world. I never wore a mask outdoors, even at the height of the pandemic last year. I know many people do, but there is such a thing as overkill.
In addition, every guest was required to bring a negative test, and the event had a Covid coordinator who oversaw the protocol.
If I was hellbent on criticizing Obama, it would be for a feast in time of plague. Bad optics.
Trumpists and their fake outrages. More drama please.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2021/08/09/everything-we-know-about-barack-obama-60th-birthday-party-marthas-vineyard-covid/
That's a very timely post as I just read an article from a political scientist that hits on these points.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/two-party-system-broke-constitution/604213/Great article! Of course we all know it's but a wishful thinking. Too many forces, including both parties, are hellbent on maintaining the status quo.
Great article! Of course we all know it's but a wishful thinking. Too many forces, including both parties, are hellbent on maintaining the status quo.That article was also written a year before Traitor Repub Trump's violent cop-attacking and killing anti-America Insurrection.
So not only was it full of silly and irrelevant "Bothsiderism" that will never hold again in light of where only one of the two party's methods led irrevocably to, there was no mention of the polar opposite legislative results between those 2 parties; the Repub Party's still favorite legislation being responsible for every major economic downturn, massive job destruction and none of the significant economic expansions and jobs creation of the past 100 years or so vs the Dem Party's legislation being responsible for every significant economic recovery, expansion and massive job creation and none of the major economic downturns and massive job losses of the past 100 years or so.
That is a huge difference between the 2 parties and I seriously doubt any 3rd, 4th or 5th party that comes along to win the WH or to control either house of Congress is going to match much less surpass the Dems' positive economic record in the foreseeable future of even our great grandchildren.
However, I do like the author's citing of the 2010 midterm election as a significant, telling election. But not exactly for the reason he stated. I have always said the 2010 midterm was the most important electon with the most disastrous long term outcome in my lifetime, including that of 2016 and 2020.
2010 was the election outcome that taught Repubs they could campaign on the most outrageous lies about everything and still win big even just 2 years after producing what was then one of the worst, job destroying, spectacular economic downturns of all time and then spending those 2 years doing everything possible to make it worse and absolutely nothing to aid the recovery as long as they were unified in repeating those outrageous lies over and over again.
It was very much what made the worlwide disaster known as Trump possible in 2016, what helped him come damn close to winning in the rigged EC system but for 43,000 votes sprinkled over a few EC battleground states in 2020 and will help them win and put in place another disaster sometime in the future, no doubt even worse than Trump.
Anyone huh?
There are exceptions, but I expect a student or a senior to vote Democrat out of their financial interests. I expect a small business owner to vote Republican out of their financial interests.
What I call Democratic are guys here who make the argument that anyone who votes Republican is a second class, knuckle dragging specimen, and you Eih are clearly one of those guys.
It offends me that bashing Republicans has become so normal in your world that you bring it to a hooker board. I swear to God all you douches who were asked what is the first word that comes to mind when you hear the word Republican is stupid.
When you make a dumb comment like the one you made, anyone who calls themselves Republican is more of a problem than a solution, I shudder. You are defining all people in one group BY HOW THEY VOTE. WTF is wrong with you?
I have a prominent Republican friend who is a major donor. He has does more effing charity work in his life than you would do in ten of yours. He supports Republicans because that is the party that rules in his area, and he supports them because it is critical to his business.
He learned early on that if he went into court without having financially supported a judge, he would get screwed. Financing the campaign of Republican judges was necessary for his business, and his business employs hundreds of people. And he should vote Democrat because it benefits you? Or you think it is smart?
And when you make comments like you just did and Trump is Hitler, wouldn't you Democratic have a moral imperative to steal the election? All it took was 40,000 or so votes to be changed.
You cannot have it both ways. If Republicans are evil, then it was entirely moral to steal the election, yet you deny that it was even possible. Anyone suggesting it was possible, and it could have been done so easily, is a conspiracy believing nut job. Clearly, you have no respect for the opinion of people that are different than yours.
So as far as I am concerned, you can have this form while you all jack yourselves off. I have respect for people who vote Democrat. I have no respect for a bunch of arrogant Democratic who make the kind of comment you just did. So Democrats have always been right on everything and always will be? Yeesh. Again, WTF is wrong with you people?You make "difference of opinion" like we're discussing the best way to fold a fitted sheet. Or whether or not TP ought to hang from the fron or back of the roll.
WRONG!
The difference of opinion can be summed up in Trump's "inject disinfectant" press conference. Have you ever wondered who no (zip, zero, nada) Democrats showed up afterwards in ER's with bleach poisoning yet hundreds of Republicans did. This is part of the reason why the divide between Republicans and Democrats is more than a difference of opinion.
Democrats are no smarter than Republicans but Republicans, especially Trump supporters, believe in every cockamamie conspiracy theory floated on the internet. Ask a Trump supporter how forest fires start. He'll say "Jewish space lasers". Ask a Trump supporter if COVID vaccines will magnetize them and they'll say "Yes". Ask them what windmills cause and they will say "Cancer". Ask them how the election was stolen and they'll say "Chinese thermostats" or "Hugo Chavez" or some equally preposterous conspiracy theory.
The BS around the so called stolen election is the worst. Your contention that since Democrats thought Trump was evil and therefore they had a moral responsibility to "cook the election books" is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as "Trump got more votes than Obama so he should have won".
And why aren't Republicans suggesting that there was voter fraud in Cleveland? Are they saying there was none? Because if there was and Republicans aren't investigating it, then the fraud BS is just that, BS. Because I'll guarantee that if a Democrat wins Ohio in 2024, Republicans will be investigating mysterious voter fraud in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati and every other Ohio city with a large black population.
So no, this isn't a "fitted sheet folding" difference of opinion. This a "we don't believe in whacko stuff" vs "we believe in Fux news" difference of opinion.
Jesus, I am not even going to respond to that. If we had your way, there would be one party rule like communist China. All good was done by Democrats and all bad by Republicans? It makes me wonder why you live in the USA when you so badly crave a one party oligarchy. Good and evil are in your mind defined by political party choices. Do you feel the same way about religion too?I have to give credit where credit is due, but then again, a broken clock is right twice a day.
I'm center to center left in my views, but a dichotomy of Democrat good / Republican evil is ludicrous. Wilson saw a recession, Truman saw one behind FDR in 1949, Ike wasn't the best, but was far from bad with great gains for blue collar workers. Johnson and Nixon are surely up for debate. Carter was an all out joke that was routed in his re-election attempt. Reagan brought about a lot of optimism in the 80's, and can't be fully blamed for subsequent failings as he had to deal with a Democratic Congress. I lived those years as a Reagan Dem and they were great.
Anyway we need a multi-party system, and any attempt to put a halo over one is ill-advised.
The census is about to set our politics on fire.
Get ready for a new round of "white replacement" tirades from Tucker Carlson.
The Washington Post reports that when the first demographic breakdowns from the 2020 census are officially unveiled later this week, they'll show that the number of white people in the country is shrinking. White people will still command a majority, but by thinning margins — making up less than 60 percent of the population, and composing less than half of the under-18 population. By 2045, it's expected that whites will lose their majority status altogether.
The news is likely to have terrible effects on our politics.
It's not a new observation that the dwindling power of white Americans has driven the anti-democratic radicalization of the Republican Party. Conservatives' recent fascination with Viktor Orbán's rule in Hungary can be explained, in part, by that country's ethnic homogeneity, as well as Orbán's fierce efforts to maintain it by crusading against immigrants from Asia and Africa. Donald Trump's rise was enabled by right-wing intellectuals who lamented that "the ceaseless importation of Third World foreigners" made the country "less traditionally American with every cycle. "
"Every time they import a new voter, I become disenfranchised as a current voter," Carlson grumbled on his Fox News show in April.
But immigration doesn't explain why the number of white people is getting smaller. One demographer told the Post the phenomenon has been accelerated both by the opioid epidemic and lower-than-expected birth rates among millennials following the Great Recession. The latter development, of course, has also sparked angry culture war posturing by Republican politicians.
To the extent that these developments are rooted in despair and economic hopelessness — and not, say, the predictable effects of affluence — Democrats and Republicans both should be prepared to offer solutions. (Democrats are already arguably doing their part, with tax credit payments to parents, and by driving the new infrastructure bill that should create a ton of new jobs for workers of all races.) If recent history tells us anything, though, it's that the census news will create a fresh wave of right-wing anger, and that much of it will be directed against America's minority populations. Our ugly politics are probably going to get uglier.
Watch out for the new Republican voting ploy: Only white, male, straight property owners will be able to vote.
https://theweek.com/politics/1003564/new-census-data-will-be-an-accelerant-for-the-culture-wars
I have to give credit where credit is due, but then again, a broken clock is right twice a day.
I'm center to center left in my views, but a dichotomy of Democrat good / Republican evil is ludicrous. Wilson saw a recession, Truman saw one behind FDR in 1949, Ike wasn't the best, but was far from bad with great gains for blue collar workers. Johnson and Nixon are surely up for debate. Carter was an all out joke that was routed in his re-election attempt. Reagan brought about a lot of optimism in the 80's, and can't be fully blamed for subsequent failings as he had to deal with a Democratic Congress. I lived those years as a Reagan Dem and they were great.
Anyway we need a multi-party system, and any attempt to put a halo over one is ill-advised.Wilson, whose presidency ended more than a century ago, saw a Recession as the result of our involvement in WWI and its costs. For Truman, it was immediately post WWII and its costs. Those Recessions were not the result of bad economic legislation, dumb economic ideas and decisions as is generally the case for Repubs' consistent economic failures. They were the price paid for our involvement in World Wars.
More often than Dems, Repubs will say something stupid and historically inaccurate like, "Everybody knows 'war' is good for the economy." Of course, they are wrong.
WWI triggered a big Recession. There was a Recession during WWII and another in the aftermath of it during Truman's presidency.
George W. Bush plunged us into 2 quagmire ground wars and a third war if you count his idiotic "War on Terror", yet his economy was crap and his wars did not mitigate his 2 Recessions one iota.
The USA was in a state of Recession for almost 30% of Eisenhower's entire presidency. We were IN one of his serial Recessions when JFK took office. His one meaningful jobs program was the development of the Interstate Highway system that wasn't even his idea nor did he lay out the plans for it or how to pay for it. That was FDR's doing. It was part of his New Deal economic recovery plan but he had to shelve it when Japan and Germany declared war on the USA and our economic attention was understandably diverted.
Eisenhower had to be talked into the project by Dems framing it as a "military/defense readiness" project, a means to quickly transport military equipment and troops, not as a boon to the general economy and jobs creation. Being a Repub, he was all about the former with practically zero interest in the latter.
Reagan inherited a fine and expanding economy from Carter, no Recession, in fact far from it, as has always been the case for outgoing Dems to incoming Repubs for the past 100 years or so but is almost never the case when the roles are reversed. Btw, Carter's average annual jobs creation record is right up there with the best in history on that count; LBJ and Clinton, with Obama not far behind. That is what Reagan inherited from Carter as well as very strong GDP Growth, month over month steadily declining unemployment and month over month steadily declining inflation.
Then the Dem Congress fast tracked Reagan's idiotic and consistently failed Repub Supply-Side/Trickle-Down economic agenda into the system and it produced the then worst economic downturn since the Great Repub Crash and Depression of the late 1920's/early 1930's.
Bonus points question for you historians: WHY did Reagan's Dem Congress fast-track his economic agenda into the system during his first year in office even though it was easy to predict it would probably be a disaster, as it indeed turned out to be? Lol. If no one can or is interested in answering that question, I will in another post.
Reagan's economy finally pulled out of his Great Repub Reagan Recession of 1982-1983 during his second term to achieve middling success, much better than his Great Recession at least, only because (D)Speaker of the House, Tip O'Neill, put the brakes on Reagan's spectacularly failed agenda and told him to cut that crap before he totally wiped out the USA economy.
By then even Reagan could not see a reason to prolong his Great Repub Reagan Recession, assuming his seriously and rapidly deteriorating mental condition allowed him to connect any dots at all.
Wilson, whose presidency ended more than a century ago, saw a Recession as the result of our involvement in WWI and its costs. For Truman, it was immediately post WWII and its costs. Those Recessions were not the result of bad economic legislation, dumb economic ideas and decisions as is generally the case for Repubs' consistent economic failures. They were the price paid for our involvement in World Wars.
More often than Dems, Repubs will say something stupid and historically inaccurate like, "Everybody knows 'war' is good for the economy." Of course, they are wrong.
WWI triggered a big Recession. There was a Recession during WWII and another in the aftermath of it during Truman's presidency.
George W. Bush plunged us into 2 quagmire ground wars and a third war if you count his idiotic "War on Terror", yet his economy was crap and his wars did not mitigate his 2 Recessions one iota.
The USA was in a state of Recession for almost 30% of Eisenhower's entire presidency. We were IN one of his serial Recessions when JFK took office. His one meaningful jobs program was the development of the Interstate Highway system that wasn't even his idea nor did he lay out the plans for it or how to pay for it. That was FDR's doing. It was part of his New Deal economic recovery plan but he had to shelve it when Japan and Germany declared war on the USA and our economic attention was understandably diverted. .You can desperately type out walls of text all you like, while certain facts remain unassailable. Wilson saw a recession, as did Truman behind FDR in 1949. The 50's and 80's were great eras in America, culturally, economically, you name it. There's also much more at stake than what party holds the WH or "presides" over a certain era. Congress holds the purse strings. Compromises are forced. Yours' is the same black and white thinking error that many on the far right have going. You are the left version of the same and an embarrassment. You present only two alternatives while the economic policies of the Republicans from WWI through the 60's were very different, though Trump brought back some of the protectionism. Ronnie was a good man with some blind spots on race, hardly surprising given when he was born and raised. Trump is a fraud and wannabe trying to ride his coat tails.
http://mail.yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
It's not all about party. I didn't reply to you in my PM box, as I'm on vacation, and you aren't on my short list of priorities. I know everyone can understand that. Lolol.
ScatManDoo
08-12-21, 22:38
Wilson, whose presidency ended more than a century ago, saw a Recession as the result of our involvement in WWI and its costs. For Truman, it was immediately post WWII and its costs. Those Recessions were not the result of bad economic legislation, dumb economic ideas and decisions as is generally the case for Repubs' consistent economic failures. They were the price paid for our involvement in World Wars.
More often than Dems, Repubs will say something stupid and historically inaccurate like, "Everybody knows 'war' is good for the economy." Of course, they are wrong.
WWI triggered a big Recession. There was a Recession during WWII and another in the aftermath of it during Truman's presidency.
George W. Bush plunged us into 2 quagmire ground wars and a third war if you count his idiotic "War on Terror", yet his economy was crap and his wars did not mitigate his 2 Recessions one iota.
The USA was in a state of Recession for almost 30% of Eisenhower's entire presidency. We were IN one of his serial Recessions when JFK took office. His one meaningful jobs program was the development of the Interstate Highway system that wasn't even his idea nor did he lay out the plans for it or how to pay for it. That was FDR's doing. It was part of his New Deal economic recovery plan but he had to shelve it when Japan and Germany declared war on the USA and our economic attention was understandably diverted.
Eisenhower had to be talked into the project by Dems framing it as a "military/defense readiness" project, a means to quickly transport military equipment and troops, not as a boon to the general economy and jobs creation. Being a Repub, he was all about the former with practically zero interest in the latter.
Reagan inherited a fine and expanding economy from Carter, no Recession, in fact far from it, as has always been the case for outgoing Dems to incoming Repubs for the past 100 years or so but is almost never the case when the roles are reversed. Btw, Carter's average annual jobs creation record is right up there with the best in history on that count; LBJ and Clinton, with Obama not far behind. That is what Reagan inherited from Carter as well as very strong GDP Growth, month over month steadily declining unemployment and month over month steadily declining inflation.
Then the Dem Congress fast tracked Reagan's idiotic and consistently failed Repub Supply-Side/Trickle-Down economic agenda into the system and it produced the then worst economic downturn since the Great Repub Crash and Depression of the late 1920's/early 1930's.
Bonus points question for you historians: WHY did Reagan's Dem Congress fast-track his economic agenda into the system during his first year in office even though it was easy to predict it would probably be a disaster, as it indeed turned out to be? Lol. If no one can or is interested in answering that question, I will in another post. While Jimmy Carter was presiding over a strong and growing economy during his term, a persnickety issue existed (that was freaking out well heeled card-carrying Republicans) with elevated inflation. It was an issue, not a long-term problem (like Germany's post WWI inflation was).
Jimmy Carter hired the right man to address the issue and made Paul Volker the new Federal Reserve Chairman in August 1979. But this was going to take some time.
Prior to Volker's term, earlier Fed Chairmen's were "pegging the interest rate" working much like a surgeon with a small scalpel, making mini-moves that kept Market and Consumer Interest rates calm and low.
Instead of surgeon wielding a small scalpel, Volker worked more like a butcher with a cleaver in cutting growth to the Money Supply (M1, M2 and M3) and freaked out GOP businessmen that could not handle (even on a temporary basis) United States Prime interest rates of up to 21% and temporary mortgage rates as high as 18% in some regions of the country.
Paul Volker and Milton Freeman were right about the core of addressing inflation.
Now the real answer for the bonus points: Why did Reagan's Dem Congress fast-track his economic agenda?
Reagan's plan was mostly paid for with wildly increased federal debt and greatly reduced taxes. Super easy solution if you believe it can work.
You can desperately type out walls of text all you like, while certain facts remain unassailable. Wilson saw a recession, as did Truman behind FDR in 1949. The 50's and 80's were great eras in America, culturally, economically, you name it. There's also much more at stake than what party holds the WH or "presides" over a certain era. Congress holds the purse strings. Compromises are forced. Yours' is the same black and white thinking error that many on the far right have going. You are the left version of the same and an embarrassment. You present only two alternatives while the economic policies of the Republicans from WWI through the 60's were very different, though Trump brought back some of the protectionism. Ronnie was a good man with some blind spots on race, hardly surprising given when he was born and raised. Trump is a fraud and wannabe trying to ride his coat tails.
http://mail.yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
It's not all about party. I didn't reply to you in my PM box, as I'm on vacation, and you aren't on my short list of priorities. I know everyone can understand that. Lolol.Lol. Another swing and a miss. I have never argued that there were "no recessions under Dems ever" and have pointed out the minor one under Truman several times even before you decided to start reading every word of my posts and struggle to refute some relatively insignificant detail. It produced a single month high unemployment rate of 7.9%, slightly higher than Carter's single month high of 7.8% in his mini, virtually 1 quarter purposely induced recession.
And I never characterized Eisenhower's serial Recessions, Nixon's Recession and Bush1's Recession as "Great Repub Recessions'. But they were bigger than the tiny, controlled one under Carter.
My point has always been about "major economic downturns" that produced at least the minimum characteristic of a Recession of 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth while pushing the unemployment rate demonstrably higher reflecting serious job losses.
On those criteria, there have been 4 Great Repub Recessions in the past 100 years: under Hoover, Reagan, Bush2 and Trump.
None under a Dem. Not even under Truman, despite his post-WWII expenditures on The Marshall Plan.
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Now the real answer for the bonus points: Why did Reagan's Dem Congress fast-track his economic agenda?
Reagan's plan was mostly paid for with wildly increased federal debt and greatly reduced taxes. Super easy solution if you believe it can work.Well, of course that is the lie Reagan told about it as Repubs always lie that their disproportionately high tax cuts for the top margins Supply-Side/Trickle-Down idiocy will "pay for themselves from all the jobs created and revenue generated from it!"
And then that never happens.
Reagan's policies tripled the national debt, skyrocketed the deficit and stood there slack-jawed stupid useless while the worst economic downturn since the Great Repub Crash and Depression filled the void and marched along unabated.
The Dem Congress figured that would probably happen if Reagan got his Repub Supply-Side/Trickle-Down way. And they knew that "it will pay for itself!" bs was a lie. How could anyone not know that by then?
But they were cornered and helpless to deny him his fervent wish in his first year in office and offered virtually no pushback on it.
Why?
Because just a month after this admittedly wildly popularly elected president took office, he was shot in an attempted assassination by, say it with me folks, "a nut with a gun" who thought his doing so would impress a lesbian movie star enough to notice him.
After that it was really impossible to slam Reagan for his every lamebrain economic proposal and decision and call him out for his every incomprehensible answer and excuse without first slapping him on the back and declaring "what a great guy" he was.
They had no viable option but to let him have his way, let him shit all over the USA economy and the healthy expansion of it Carter handed him as early as he wished. Only after the American public could no longer tolerate an 11th, 12th or more consecutive month of 10%+ unemployment were the Dems able to finally push back and stop him before he caused irreversible damage to the economy without coming off as inconsiderate devils.
And god knows how bad the U-6 unemployment rate was during those Reagan years since mainstream media rarely if ever mentioned it then. They only became obsessed about that rate when Obama was recovering us from Bush2's Great Repub Recession.
Ronnie was a good man, and I underline the word man. Trump is a wannabe that tried riding his coat tails.
Believe it or not, I'd much rather the right bring us DeSantis. He's at least a man. He works out, is well educated, and reads, and never runs from a confrontation. That's a huge step in the right direction, so please bring it.
Ronnie was a good man, and I underline the word man. Trump is a wannabe that tried riding his coat tails.
Believe it or not, I'd much rather the right bring us DeSantis. He's at least a man. He works out, is well educated, and reads, and never runs from a confrontation. That's a huge step in the right direction, so please bring it.The guy who has had more Floridians die of COVID than his 2018 margin of victory. That guy?
The guy who just yesterday admitted that his "bluster" about not paying school boards who defy his "no mask mandates allowed" policy was BS. That guy?
The guy who has no clue what he's going? That guy?
The guy who has had more Floridians die of COVID than his 2018 margin of victory. That guy?The guy who had fewer Floridians die of COVID* that in either New York or California, both democrat states with brutal unconstitutional lockdowns. That guy.
P.S. It's not an "anti-mask mandate". Anyone who wishes to wear a mask is free to do so (not that cloth masks make any significant difference). It's called freedom. Not something that communists know much about.
*actually die with COVID and any number of other comorbidities.
I don't see any posts on disasters we are having in California or current government failures. We hopefully will get rid of our governor next month, NYC got rid of Cuomo but Biden and Harris are killing us. I voted for Biden and he has let us down in California drastically. Isn't there anyone here from Texas, New Mexico or Arizona that is going to slam Biden on the border? Drugs, trafficking and Covid is pouring in from Mexico to our state and there is no plan to control it. California government plan is to put masks on everyone rather than stop Covid from Mexico. Surely it is happening in other states to.
The guy who has had more Floridians die of COVID than his 2018 margin of victory. That guy?
The guy who just yesterday admitted that his "bluster" about not paying school boards who defy his "no mask mandates allowed" policy was BS. That guy?
The guy who has no clue what he's going? That guy?He's an asshole, but an educated one that reads. I'd never vote for him, but you can sit down and talk to Ron eye to eye, is way better than Trump.
The guy who has had more Floridians die of COVID than his 2018 margin of victory. That guy?
The guy who just yesterday admitted that his "bluster" about not paying school boards who defy his "no mask mandates allowed" policy was BS. That guy?
The guy who has no clue what he's going? That guy?Plus:
The guy presiding over 20% of all cases coming from his state?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/ron-desantis-takes-hatred-of-mask-mandates-to-a-new-level.html
The guy fighting cruise companies to demand vaccinations on ships holding thousands of passengers?
The guy who's come up with Don't fauci my Florida?
That guy?
Well, I'm glad he's so educated and well-read. I'm sure it's all very comforting to the victims families.
He's an asshole, but an educated one that reads. I'd never vote for him, but you can sit down and talk to Ron eye to eye, is way better than Trump.His seeming to be smarter and more reasonable than Trump only makes him more dangerous and a greater threat to the USA economy, to the purpose of this website and to the goal of international travel for mongering than Trump and all of Trump's supporters and Trumpian Trump wannabes have been and will continue to be until they are stopped in their tracks.
As impossible as it might be that someone could be worse for those things than Trump and his supporters were, DeSantis is the guy who could and would be with the help of his supporters.
I don't see any posts on disasters we are having in California or current government failures. We hopefully will get rid of our governor next month, NYC got rid of Cuomo but Biden and Harris are killing us. I voted for Biden and he has let us down in California drastically. Isn't there anyone here from Texas, New Mexico or Arizona that is going to slam Biden on the border? Drugs, trafficking and Covid is pouring in from Mexico to our state and there is no plan to control it. California government plan is to put masks on everyone rather than stop Covid from Mexico. Surely it is happening in other states to.The flood of Covid cases in the USA is coming from Trumpsters in red states, not Mexico.
The guy who had fewer Floridians die of COVID* that in either New York or California, both democrat states with brutal unconstitutional lockdowns. That guy.
P.S. It's not an "anti-mask mandate". Anyone who wishes to wear a mask is free to do so (not that cloth masks make any significant difference). It's called freedom. Not something that communists know much about.
*actually die with COVID and any number of other comorbidities.With double the population of Florida, California could have had double the number of total deaths as Florida. But it didn't. It had about 60% more.
New York, with about the same population as Florida, had more cases and deaths than Florida in the past because there are no cities in Florida as densely populated as one particular city in New York State.
But recently, after Biden got the vaccines (that Trump spent almost a year telling us nobody needed to invent or receive right up to at least the end of October 2020) fully distributed and available to all, DeStantis' Florida's new case AND death count far surpass both California and especially New York.
BTW, how was the crowd at today's "re-instatement" inauguration? Only slightly smaller than it was for him in January 2017 I'm guessing.
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/florida
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/california
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/new-york
You'd think a monger forum is the worst place to discuss politics, but it may be one of the best ones. I'm left thinking but pro death penalty and believe a lot in personal responsibility. And this guy DeSantis, I like him. He's a man, works out and never runs from a fight, will look you right in there eye. He's educated, reads, and has a heart. I do not agree with him, but that's the kind of shit the right needs to come with. Personally, I like him.
That's your plan conservatives, DeSantis. Actually is a shoe in for the next election. This is a guy who is often wrong, but centered, educated, he reads, and has balls, oddly enough, this centrist Dem may vote him, so chew on all of that. He will talk to you, face to face.
With double the population of Florida, California could have had double the number of total deaths as Florida. But it didn't. It had about 60% more.
New York, with about the same population as Florida, had more cases and deaths than Florida in the past because there are no cities in Florida as densely populated as one particular city in New York State.
But recently, after Biden got the vaccines (that Trump spent almost a year telling us nobody needed to invent or receive right up to at least the end of October 2020) fully distributed and available to all, DeStantis' Florida's new case AND death count far surpass both California and especially New York.Florida's population is 2 million more than New York state (and the difference is increasing as many people leave NY and move to FL and other free, open states). Florida has several densely populated cities. In fact the large number of New York victims has a lot to do with Cuomo's criminal decision to force infected people into nursing homes, where they passed on the disease to the most vulnerable people (the very elderly). The same is true of Whitmer in Michigan and other democrat governors.
FYI the vaccines and rollout were pushed through by Trump's Operation Warpspeed (the democrats had previously said that it would take years; and they also warned people not to take the vaccines, a stance which would have got them banned from social media if the social media companies were unbiased). By the time Biden was installed in January 2021 the rollout was well underway and they changed nothing.
Finally, the CDC issued fraudulent figures regarding Florida, claiming 28,000 new cases on Sunday when in fact the number was under 20,000. These were fortunately caught and revised although not before various fake news sources had plastered them all over their headlines (and the same sources didn't publicise the revision, because it suited their political bias not to). Which was doubtless the point.
The flood of Covid cases in the USA is coming from Trumpsters in red states, not Mexico.Maybe you are correct in other states but Southern California Covid is coming from Mexico. We have hotels filled with immigrants. Several with Covid. Probably all in the hotels have been in contact with Covid. Our governor wants all of us to wear masks and get vaccinated but there are no requirements for people crossing the border to get vaccinated or wear masks. Several bus loads have been sent to Bakersfield and Fresno. Several are on our streets and in fast food places spending their vouchers. Some of the fast food places have had to close indoor dining and only offer drive thru and force people to order only in vehicles. I can't believe this isn't happening in other states also like Texas or Arizona.
CNN finally interviewed the guy from Homeland Security asking why he said that situation was bursting at the seams but he said they have a plan to correct the border but would not give details. Does everyone on this forum think there isn't a problem at the border? I am confused.
There is so many posts of presidents from 10 or 20 years ago and about democrats and republicans from 10 or 20 years ago but no one is questioning the current administration. I think Biden has this country in trouble and I am a lifetime democrat. Am I the only democrat that thinks this?
The guy who had fewer Floridians die of COVID* that in either New York or California, both democrat states with brutal unconstitutional lockdowns. That guy.
P.S. It's not an "anti-mask mandate". Anyone who wishes to wear a mask is free to do so (not that cloth masks make any significant difference). It's called freedom. Not something that communists know much about.
*actually die with COVID and any number of other comorbidities."As coronavirus cases continue to soar, two Florida mayors are announcing mask and vaccine mandates and defying the governor who is firmly opposed to any pandemic restrictions. " https://apnews.com/article/health-miami-coronavirus-pandemic-247f603722fc0f1d38d0bd97a9006c25.
DeSantis has allowed more Floridians to die than his 2018 margin of victory. Maybe he can get it to 2 x by being dumber than trump.
Fewer Floridians by percentage? Nope.
But, keep on calling Democrats "communists" so that everybody can see your ignorance.
Isn't there anyone here from Texas, New Mexico or Arizona that is going to slam Biden on the border? Drugs, trafficking and Covid is pouring in from Mexico to our state and there is no plan to control it. California government plan is to put masks on everyone rather than stop Covid from Mexico. Surely it is happening in other states to.Yeah, I'm sure drugs and Covid trafficking have began with Biden. Sure, none of those have ever happened under Trump. Nah, can't be.
Of course, the simple truth about our border troubles is very uncomplicated:
- the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden. Undocumented migrants are still turned back in huge numbers;.
- the Trump's draconian law that allows the border patrol to turn them away only encourages recidivism -- people simply keep trying over and over again;.
- that Trump's wall was a redneck fantasy, soap opera, political farce, pipe-dream that had never stood a chance to be completed and stop migration, no matter how many trillions you'd throw at it -- it was a sham and a huge con, nothing else;.
- that there is no simple solution to this problem, and Biden didn't create this problem, he inherited it.
Various types of fencing totalling 654 miles (just over 1,000 km) were already in place before Mr Trump became president in 2017. These ran through the states of California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.
The Trump administration say they've completed more than 400 miles of border wall since then. It's 452 miles (727 km) in total, according to the latest US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) information (4 January 2021).
However, only 80 miles of new barriers have been built where there were none before - that includes 47 miles of primary wall, and 33 miles of secondary wall built to reinforce the initial barrier.
The vast majority of the 452 miles is replacing existing structures at the border that had been built by previous US administrations.Wow! In other words, Trump built 47 miles of new walls in 4 years. As Sacha Baron Cohen would say: 'Big success. ".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46748492
But please, go ahead and be the first genius ever to outline the solution. What would you do? Unless, of course, slamming Biden is the only reason why you decided to show up.
The MexicoUnited States border extends 3,145 kilometers (1,954 mi), in addition to the maritime boundaries of 29 kilometers (18 mi) into the Pacific Ocean and 19 kilometers (12 mi) into the Gulf of Mexico.
Yeah, I'm sure drugs and Covid trafficking have began with Biden. Sure, none of those have ever happened under Trump. Nah, can't be.
Of course, the simple truth about our border troubles is very uncomplicated:
- the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden. Undocumented migrants are still turned back in huge numbers;.
- the Trump's draconian law that allows the border patrol to turn them away only encourages recidivism -- people simply keep trying over and over again;.
- that Trump's wall was a redneck fantasy, soap opera, political farce, pipe-dream that had never stood a chance to be completed and stop migration, no matter how many trillions you'd throw at it -- it was a sham and a huge con, nothing else;..I am just being honest here. July 2020 there were 42,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. July 2021 there were 217,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. Trump made all asylum seekers remain in Mexico. Biden is letting asylum seekers stay in USA. Trump campaigned on securing our border. Biden campaigned on open immigration. With the Covid pandemic I as a citizen not as a democrat or Republican think it is bad to allow unvaccinated and Covid sickened immigrants into USA at this time. Are you guys really democrats on this site or are you just here to protect Biden. California is in deep trouble with Covid, crime and open borders. I care. Obviously you don't. I hated Trump but I can't blame him for the border crises. Biden is to blame.
I am just being honest here. July 2020 there were 42,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. July 2021 there were 217,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. Trump made all asylum seekers remain in Mexico. Biden is letting asylum seekers stay in USA. Trump campaigned on securing our border. Biden campaigned on open immigration. With the Covid pandemic I as a citizen not as a democrat or Republican think it is bad to allow unvaccinated and Covid sickened immigrants into USA at this time. Are you guys really democrats on this site or are you just here to protect Biden. California is in deep trouble with Covid, crime and open borders. I care. Obviously you don't. I hated Trump but I can't blame him for the border crises. Biden is to blame.Yes, trump campaigned on securing the border. He also accomplished next to nothing in 4 years as others have pointed out. He also campaigned on Mexico paying for the wall. Did he lose the check.
The "COVID-sicked immigrants" line is simply BS as the attached link points out. https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/12/overview-covid-19-testing-migrants-southern-border/.
And besides, unvaccinated immigrants are no more responsible for spreading COVID than unvaccinated trump supporters.
In reality, Biden has left many dump-era policies in place. https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/biden-trump-border-policies/.
The upshot of this is that Republicans want an immigrant-free America. They say they don't but that's all talk. If Republican lawmakers said they were installing machine gun posts to cover every inch of the border with "shoot to kill" authorized, trump supporters would be lined up to volunteer from now until Rapture.
The reality is that immigration is a complicated topic.
DeSantis has allowed more Floridians to die than his 2018 margin of victory.
Fewer Floridians by percentage? Nope.
But, keep on calling Democrats "communists" so that everybody can see your ignorance.Fewer Floridians by percentage? Yup. Way fewer than New York. Top three covid death states by percentage are NJ, NY and MA, all democrat states. Florida is in mid-table. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/.
Of course this is purely people who died with covid (often of other comorbidity). It doesn't take into account suicides, drug ODs, abuse, mental illness, destitution, homelessness (which will happen once the unconstitutional eviction moratorium is ended) and all the other societal ills caused by the brutal and unconstitutional lockdowns, which haven't happened in Florida thanks to Gov. DeSantis.
It's quite funny how you say "DeSantis allowed people to die", as if he can grant the gift of immortality, but you would never use a similar phrase about the democrat governors of states that have lost more people. Just another indicator of your blinkered bias.
ScatManDoo
08-14-21, 21:10
I am just being honest here. July 2020 there were 42,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. July 2021 there were 217,000 apprehensions on Mexico border.Based on these facts.
The border was closed on both recent dates.
No open.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/12/texas-rsv-covid-19-childrens-hospitals/
"Correction, Aug. 12,2021: An earlier version of this story overstated the number of children who have been hospitalized in Texas recently with COVID-19. The story said over 5,800 children had been hospitalized during a seven-day period in August, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That number correctly referred to children hospitalized with COVID-19 since the pandemic began. In actuality, 783 children were admitted to Texas hospitals with COVID-19 between July 1 and Aug. 9 of this year."
They claimed it was 5800 in a week. It was actually 783 in 6 weeks. So only about 50 times out. Easy mistake to make. Funny how these fake news "mistakes" always overstate cases in Republican states, like the one in Florida last week. Almost as if they're politically biased and trying to whip up unwarranted fear to push their fake agenda.
Yes, trump campaigned on securing the border. He also accomplished next to nothing in 4 years as others have pointed out. He also campaigned on Mexico paying for the wall. Did he lose the check.
The "COVID-sicked immigrants" line is simply BS as the attached link points out. https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/12/overview-covid-19-testing-migrants-southern-border/.
And besides, unvaccinated immigrants are no more responsible for spreading COVID than unvaccinated trump supporters.
In reality, Biden has left many dump-era policies in place. https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/biden-trump-border-policies/.
The upshot of this is that Republicans want an immigrant-free America. They say they don't but that's all talk. If Republican lawmakers said they were installing machine gun posts to cover every inch of the border with "shoot to kill" authorized, trump supporters would be lined up to volunteer from now until Rapture.
The reality is that immigration is a complicated topic.In California there are more democrats than there are republicans. There are as many or more democrats as republicans that are not vaccinated. Just because you are not vaccinated does not mean you have Covid. Almost all countries in the world are not allowing unvaccinated people into their country. The USA has allowed 217,000 to cross our border illegally in July. 2,000,000 since Biden was in office. Our border patrol in California is losing the battle. 20% of the illegals have Covid and spread it to our border patrol. No other leader of a country would ever do that. I am a democrat and proud to be one but you obviously don't give a crap about the USA or it's citizens. This has nothing to do with legal immigration. This is illegal immigration spreading the pandemic and putting our country in danger. Can't you for once admit the truth? Illegal immigration is not good for California and definitely not good for USA.
Yes, trump campaigned on securing the border. He also accomplished next to nothing in 4 years as others have pointed out.As another poster mentioned below, illegal entry went from 40,000 last year under Trump to 220,000 now under Biden's handlers. Trump had made a deal with Mexico to keep illegals from crossing the border, which was working. Biden's handlers ripped it up and let them all in.
Whatever your views, to say that there is no difference between the positions and that Trump accomplished "next to nothing" is objectively false. And once again, it shows your blinkered bias for all to see, so keep it up.
I am just being honest here. July 2020 there were 42,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. July 2021 there were 217,000 apprehensions on Mexico border. Trump made all asylum seekers remain in Mexico. Biden is letting asylum seekers stay in USA. Trump campaigned on securing our border. Biden campaigned on open immigration. With the Covid pandemic I as a citizen not as a democrat or Republican think it is bad to allow unvaccinated and Covid sickened immigrants into USA at this time. Are you guys really democrats on this site or are you just here to protect Biden. California is in deep trouble with Covid, crime and open borders. I care. Obviously you don't. I hated Trump but I can't blame him for the border crises. Biden is to blame.Even after you show them the cold, hard numbers (from 42,000 last year under Trump to 217,000 this year under Biden) and facts (Trump made a deal with Mexico to keep the illegals there, which Biden has torn up and allowed them into the US), they still write things like "the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden".
I wonder if they can actually believe such obviously false nonsense. Who knows? Psychologists say certain weak-minded people can be made to believe anything by persuasive and relentless psy-ops, which basically describes 90% of the mainstream media today. Or maybe, like the leading democrats / media figures, they know it to be untrue but are lying because they want it to happen, with the outcome of turning America into a third world one-party state (like California).
You'd think a monger forum is the worst place to discuss politics, but it may be one of the best ones. I'm left thinking but pro death penalty and believe a lot in personal responsibility. And this guy DeSantis, I like him. He's a man, works out and never runs from a fight, will look you right in there eye. He's educated, reads, and has a heart. I do not agree with him, but that's the kind of shit the right needs to come with. Personally, I like him.But for a shift of about 1% of Trump's vote to Clinton in just 2 battlegound states in 2016, Michigan and Florida, the CDC reps whose job it was to monitor for Pandemic Prevention and Response would not have been defunded and removed from those Chinese labs in 2018, worldwide economies, death rates and the whole purpose of this website would not have suffered nearly as much, if at all.
And most of those wrongheaded Trump votes, his creating this Pandemic and the worsening of it ever since was the result of information shared online through the communication device you are probably holding in your hand right now.
One voice of truth here, there and everywhere about how consistently Repub policies Crash the economy deeper and in ways Dem policies never do might have made the difference in 2016. We'll never know.
And, going forward, there is no more important discussion to be had anywhere including if not especially on this website than warnings about further empowering Republucan anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers and other Repub loons bent on keeping the variations of Trump's pandemic virus going indefinitely and most certainly until a variant overrides all current vaccines, effectively destroying, among many other things, international travel for mongering and sex.
This won't be the last endemic virus that pops up somewhere. And if we want the next one and the next ones after that turned into international travel destroying Pandemics, Trump Wannabe Repubs like DeSantis have proven they are just the ones to do it.
In fact, count on any and every Repub to do it.
As another poster mentioned below, illegal entry went from 40,000 last year under Trump to 220,000 now under Biden's handlers. Trump had made a deal with Mexico to keep illegals from crossing the border, which was working. Biden's handlers ripped it up and let them all in.
Whatever your views, to say that there is no difference between the positions and that Trump accomplished "next to nothing" is objectively false. And once again, it shows your blinkered bias for all to see, so keep it up.The truth is there. A judge in Texas just ruled that Biden has to reinstate Trump policy to keep asylum seekers in Mexico but Biden is fighting this because he doesn't want to admit Trump policies actually worked. His border policies are a disaster and everyone sees it except the fools. Afghanistan is a complete disaster with Taliban terrorists almost taking over the complete country. Now Biden panics and sends in 5000 troops to try to make sure the American in the Embassy don't get slaughtered like Bengassi. Biden will be celebrating the anniversary of 9-11 with the rebirth of the Taliban and terrorism. I can't believe I voted this idiot. I am embarrassed. It is very difficult being a democrat right now.
Even after you show them the cold, hard numbers (from 42,000 last year under Trump to 217,000 this year under Biden) and facts (Trump made a deal with Mexico to keep the illegals there, which Biden has torn up and allowed them into the US), they still write things like "the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden".
I wonder if they can actually believe such obviously false nonsense. Who knows? Psychologists say certain weak-minded people can be made to believe anything by persuasive and relentless psy-ops, which basically describes 90% of the mainstream media today. Or maybe, like the leading democrats / media figures, they know it to be untrue but are lying because they want it to happen, with the outcome of turning America into a third world one-party state (like California).Unfortunately you are right about California. I have lived my whole life in California. There was a time when it was a two party state and I always believed that I would be a lifelong democrat. The democrats have slowly killed our state from taxes, crime and to homeless. I voted for Biden because the media over and over again told us how bad Trump was and I believed it. Now after 8 months of Biden disasters and policies Trump looks like the best president ever. Amazing when Trump was president I hated him. Now I would welcome him back. Biden even makes Jimmy Carter look good.
But for a shift of about 1% of Trump's vote to Clinton in just 2 battlegound states in 2016, Michigan and Florida, the CDC reps whose job it was to monitor for Pandemic Prevention and Response would not have been defunded and removed from those Chinese labs in 2018, worldwide economies, death rates and the whole purpose of this website would not have suffered nearly as much, if at all.
And most of those wrongheaded Trump votes, his creating this Pandemic and the worsening of it ever since was the result of information shared online through the communication device you are probably holding in your hand right now.
One voice of truth here, there and everywhere about how consistently Repub policies Crash the economy deeper and in ways Dem policies never do might have made the difference in 2016. We'll never know..I have hear so much on the news about Trump and Russian influence. I don't hear on the California news about $5.00 gas prices. In 2020 USA was energy independent with the continued drilling of new wells and installing pipelines. Gas prices here were $3.09 per gallon. First month of Biden presidency drilling permits on federal land were cancelled and Trump energy policies were reversed. XL Pipeline was cancelled that would have delivered 833,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Canada. Killing 10,000 jobs and killing USA energy independence. Biden reversing Trump sanctions on Russia so that they could build their pipeline to Europe enhancing Russia energy economy. Now USA has to import 800,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Russia transported over the ocean at a higher cost. Now USA has to import more oil from OPEC at higher costs. Yesterday Biden was on the news begging Russia and OPEC to produce more oil for USA. Why is Biden supporting Russia and foreign oil and foreign economies? Why is Biden killing USA energy independence. I don't care if you are democrat or Republican. You must realize gas prices are higher and there is a reason for it. Gas prices since Trump 4 years average have almost doubled. This is killing small business in California.
I have hear so much on the news about Trump and Russian influence. I don't hear on the California news about $5.00 gas prices. In 2020 USA was energy independent with the continued drilling of new wells and installing pipelines. Gas prices here were $3.09 per gallon. First month of Biden presidency drilling permits on federal land were cancelled and Trump energy policies were reversed. XL Pipeline was cancelled that would have delivered 833,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Canada. Killing 10,000 jobs and killing USA energy independence. Biden reversing Trump sanctions on Russia so that they could build their pipeline to Europe enhancing Russia energy economy. Now USA has to import 800,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Russia transported over the ocean at a higher cost. Now USA has to import more oil from OPEC at higher costs. Yesterday Biden was on the news begging Russia and OPEC to produce more oil for USA. Why is Biden supporting Russia and foreign oil and foreign economies? Why is Biden killing USA energy independence. I don't care if you are democrat or Republican. You must realize gas prices are higher and there is a reason for it. Gas prices since Trump 4 years average have almost doubled. This is killing small business in California.Why do you trumpers never back up your BS with proof?
The US imports 800,000 barrels of Russian heavy oil per day? Really? Where is the proof? "Russia has become a favored source for USA Fuel makers largely because it producers ample supplies of semi-refined oils such as Mazut 100, an ideal feedstock for American refineries accustomed to processing thick, sludgy crude from Venezuela and the Middle East. " As is typical with trumpers, you sprinkle just enough truth in with lies to make it all seem like truth. The quote above is from here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-04/russia-captures-no-2-rank-among-foreign-oil-suppliers-to-u-s.
Then there's the energy independence canard. Look at the first chart in the article above. Does that look like energy independence to you, 'cause it sure doesn't look like it to me? There's also this: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-oil-imports-by-country.
Oh, wait, did dump say we were energy independent? Why yes he did. And he lied: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/sep/13/donald-trump/trump-exaggerates-us-energy-independence/ and https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article239077733.html.
Are gasoline prices higher? Yes they are. But the QOP BS is that it is all Biden's fault is just that: BS https://www.npr.org/2021/03/24/980894432/why-gas-prices-have-increased-in-the-last-3-months and https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/13/bogus-gop-claim-that-biden-is-responsible-higher-gasoline-prices/.
But, like all good trumpers, you'll just yell "fake news".
Even after you show them the cold, hard numbers (from 42,000 last year under Trump to 217,000 this year under Biden) and facts (Trump made a deal with Mexico to keep the illegals there, which Biden has torn up and allowed them into the US), they still write things like "the USA Immigration policy hasn't changed with Biden".
I wonder if they can actually believe such obviously false nonsense. Who knows? Psychologists say certain weak-minded people can be made to believe anything by persuasive and relentless psy-ops, which basically describes 90% of the mainstream media today. Or maybe, like the leading democrats / media figures, they know it to be untrue but are lying because they want it to happen, with the outcome of turning America into a third world one-party state (like California).And Fux "News" always tells the truth? https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/oct/25/fox-news-watching-what-i-learned.
Why do you trumpers never back up your BS with proof?
The US imports 800,000 barrels of Russian heavy oil per day? Really? Where is the proof? "Russia has become a favored source for USA Fuel makers largely because it producers ample supplies of semi-refined oils such as Mazut 100, an ideal feedstock for American refineries accustomed to processing thick, sludgy crude from Venezuela and the Middle East. " As is typical with trumpers, you sprinkle just enough truth in with lies to make it all seem like truth. The quote above is from here: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-04/russia-captures-no-2-rank-among-foreign-oil-suppliers-to-u-s.
Then there's the energy independence canard. Look at the first chart in the article above. Does that look like energy independence to you, 'cause it sure doesn't look like it to me? There's also this: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/us-oil-imports-by-country.
Oh, wait, did dump say we were energy independent? Why yes he did..From a democrat not a Trumper:
Biden cancelling drilling in USA and cancelling pipelines reducing domestic production definitely contributed to higher oil prices and higher gas prices. Only a fool would argue that cutting supply of any commodity doesn't increase prices. Gas prices are up 50% in our state due to Biden policies.
https://ru-main.ru/russia-became-second-largest-oil-exporter-to-usa/
Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for the Biden administration, hope Biden-Harris also flee like the Afghan president. This administration is really dangerous and delusional for the humanity.
Twenty years of Afghanistan mistakes, but this preventable disaster is on Biden.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/15/twenty-years-afghanistan-mistakes-this-preventable-disaster-is-biden/
Trump demands Biden 'resign in disgrace' over chaotic Taliban takeover in Afghanistan.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9896573/Trump-demands-Biden-resign-disgrace-chaotic-Taliban-takeover-Afghanistan.html
China's state media mocked the US withdrawal in Afghanistan, saying the Taliban takeover was 'more smooth than the presidential transition in the US.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-said-taliban-takeover-more-smooth-than-us-presidential-transition-2021-8
President Biden, VP Harris avoid the cameras as Kabul falls to Taliban.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/president-biden-vp-harris-avoid-the-cameras-as-kabul-falls
In California there are more democrats than there are republicans. There are as many or more democrats as republicans that are not vaccinated. Just because you are not vaccinated does not mean you have Covid. Almost all countries in the world are not allowing unvaccinated people into their country. The USA has allowed 217,000 to cross our border illegally in July. 2,000,000 since Biden was in office. Our border patrol in California is losing the battle. 20% of the illegals have Covid and spread it to our border patrol. No other leader of a country would ever do that. I am a democrat and proud to be one but you obviously don't give a crap about the USA or it's citizens. This has nothing to do with legal immigration. This is illegal immigration spreading the pandemic and putting our country in danger. Can't you for once admit the truth? Illegal immigration is not good for California and definitely not good for USA.When Trump or a Trump Wannabe Repub wins California because Californians are so horrified by what Biden and the Dems have done and long for the wonderful Trump Crash, Great Trump Repub Recession and Massive Job Destruction in the millions and millions of yore, get back to me.
Are gasoline prices higher? Yes they are. The only part of the post worth reading.
I have hear so much on the news about Trump and Russian influence. I don't hear on the California news about $5.00 gas prices. In 2020 USA was energy independent with the continued drilling of new wells and installing pipelines. Gas prices here were $3.09 per gallon. First month of Biden presidency drilling permits on federal land were cancelled and Trump energy policies were reversed. XL Pipeline was cancelled that would have delivered 833,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Canada. Killing 10,000 jobs and killing USA energy independence. Biden reversing Trump sanctions on Russia so that they could build their pipeline to Europe enhancing Russia energy economy. Now USA has to import 800,000 barrels a day of heavy oil from Russia transported over the ocean at a higher cost. Now USA has to import more oil from OPEC at higher costs. Yesterday Biden was on the news begging Russia and OPEC to produce more oil for USA. Why is Biden supporting Russia and foreign oil and foreign economies? Why is Biden killing USA energy independence. I don't care if you are democrat or Republican. You must realize gas prices are higher and there is a reason for it. Gas prices since Trump 4 years average have almost doubled. This is killing small business in California.Excellent post. You can usually tell what bad things leftists are doing because it is precisely what they accuse others of. For all the baseless lies about Trump / Russia, the fact is that it is Biden's handlers who have given Russia an enormous boost by approving the Russian pipeline to Europe and destroying the XL pipeline. Russia will now have vastly more energy exports, and vastly more power over Europe. Meanwhile America will need to import a huge amount, and Americans will suffer for it.
Ditto for the current shitshow in Afghanistan, with helicopters fleeing from the embassy just like in Saigon 1975. America is humiliated, and Russia and China are literally moving in as we speak to make deals with the Taliban.
What is interesting about this is that even the fake news media is battering Biden over it. Seems to me it may be used, alongside his obvious dementia and frailty, to push Biden into retirement and get Heels Up Harris into the hotseat (the Oval Office, not Willie Brown's lap). Then the persecution of heritage Americans, the new kulaks, will really begin.
Unfortunately you are right about California. I have lived my whole life in California. There was a time when it was a two party state and I always believed that I would be a lifelong democrat. The democrats have slowly killed our state from taxes, crime and to homeless. I voted for Biden because the media over and over again told us how bad Trump was and I believed it. Now after 8 months of Biden disasters and policies Trump looks like the best president ever. Amazing when Trump was president I hated him. Now I would welcome him back. Biden even makes Jimmy Carter look good.The problem is that thanks to mass third world immigration, you now have an ANC type situation in California. That is to say, no matter how incompetent and corrupt the ruling party is, they can never be voted out because they have a ethnic mass of low-IQ welfare-addicted voters who will never vote for anyone else. This is the case with the ANC in South Africa, which is completely, uselessly incompetent and whose previous president was just sent to prison over corruption, but which will never, ever lose an election.
So it is in California, where the democrats will never lose a senatorial or presidential election despite the terrible problems you correctly list which their misrule and incompetence have caused. This is what people mean when they use the expression "third world shithole". It is why we need to get the border secured with a big, beautiful wall, and get deportations ramped up, or the entire country will soon be the same.
When Trump or a Trump Wannabe Repub wins California because Californians are so horrified by what Biden and the Dems have done and long for the wonderful Trump Crash, Great Trump Repub Recession and Massive Job Destruction in the millions and millions of yore, get back to me.Getting back to you quickly because there was no Trump crash, no Trump recession and no jobs lost by Trump policies. There was a pandemic. Trump policies today are keeping the economy going. Biden is doing his best to kill it.
California is suffering from Biden policies. Our restaurants and businesses were closed while other states were opened. Millions of people were put out of work and lives were destroyed. Businesses are closed. Democrats policy of defund the police and looting and stealing under $1000 not being a crime have destroyed business and made it unsafe to shop in many cities. Homeless control many areas in our state making our streets unsafe. Lower income families can no longer afford to buy gas. The destruction is here but you refuse to acknowledge it. You keep trashing Trump for made up fantasy when Biden is destroying America.
I am a democrat and I can see it. Biden has destroyed the lives of all innocent people in Afghanistan in just 6 months. Our borders are not secure and thousands are entering daily. How many of them are terrorists? The world sees a weak leader of USA and the world is taking advantage. We will see another 9-11 under Biden and you are to blame.
Real democrats care about USA. Obviously you do not. I don't know how you benefit from the crime, poverty and destruction of USA but you must to be ignoring the facts.
We are all Americans not democrats or republicans. Americans care about USA. Why don't you?
"Ronald Reagan once said, "The greatest leader is not necessarily the one who does the greatest things. He is the one that gets the people to do the greatest things."
Joe Biden has proven not to be a leader, which is something that was predicted by another. It was just one year ago, on August 14,2020, Politico reported a dire warning from former President Barack Obama: "I think the turnout tonight demonstrates the high regard in which the vice president is held in the extended Obama family," Rouse told the crowd of about 50 people. "And I think that that message is not out as far as it should be. " Yet searing, anonymously sourced quotes from Obama kept appearing through the race. One Democrat who spoke to Obama recalled the former president warned, "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f**k things up. " Speaking of his own waning understanding of today's Democratic electorate, especially in Iowa, Obama told one 2020 candidate: "And you know who really doesn't have it? Joe Biden." Obama's statement was a true prediction of Joe Biden's first seven months in the Oval Office. Since inauguration Day on January 20, everything Joe Biden has touched has turned to manure. . . "
Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for the Biden administration, hope Biden-Harris also flee like the Afghan president. This administration is really dangerous and delusional for the humanity.
Twenty years of Afghanistan mistakes, but this preventable disaster is on Biden.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/15/twenty-years-afghanistan-mistakes-this-preventable-disaster-is-biden/
Trump demands Biden 'resign in disgrace' over chaotic Taliban takeover in Afghanistan.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9896573/Trump-demands-Biden-resign-disgrace-chaotic-Taliban-takeover-Afghanistan.html
China's state media mocked the US withdrawal in Afghanistan, saying the Taliban takeover was 'more smooth than the presidential transition in the US.
From a democrat not a Trumper:
Biden cancelling drilling in USA and cancelling pipelines reducing domestic production definitely contributed to higher oil prices and higher gas prices. Only a fool would argue that cutting supply of any commodity doesn't increase prices. Gas prices are up 50% in our state due to Biden policies.
https://ru-main.ru/russia-became-second-largest-oil-exporter-to-usa/Is there inflation worldwide? If yes, what caused it.
Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for the Biden administration, hope Biden-Harris also flee like the Afghan president. This administration is really dangerous and delusional for the humanity.
Twenty years of Afghanistan mistakes, but this preventable disaster is on Biden.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/15/twenty-years-afghanistan-mistakes-this-preventable-disaster-is-biden/
Trump demands Biden 'resign in disgrace' over chaotic Taliban takeover in Afghanistan.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9896573/Trump-demands-Biden-resign-disgrace-chaotic-Taliban-takeover-Afghanistan.htmlFirst, did trump negotiate with terrorists? Yes he did. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/15/2046070/-Taliban-leader-and-top-commanders-are-among-the-5000-fighters-Trump-released-against-objections?fbclid=IwAR07k1RBfVep-wdSwFXsXAU8dxiZG0yLtEhSiE-ndzzbzYBHLvKfspCPWXg.
Second, why did the QOP remove all traces of dump's Afghanistan treachery? https://news.yahoo.com/gop-quietly-removed-webpage-hailing-111358281.html.
Could Biden have handed this better? Sure. But the QOP isn't blameless. https://www.rollcall.com/2020/11/17/trump-afghanistan-withdrawal-mcconnell-republican-criticism/.
Getting back to you quickly because there was no Trump crash, no Trump recession and no jobs lost by Trump policies. There was a pandemic. Trump policies today are keeping the economy going. Biden is doing his best to kill it.
California is suffering from Biden policies. Our restaurants and businesses were closed while other states were opened. Millions of people were put out of work and lives were destroyed. Businesses are closed. Democrats policy of defund the police and looting and stealing under $1000 not being a crime have destroyed business and made it unsafe to shop in many cities. Homeless control many areas in our state making our streets unsafe. Lower income families can no longer afford to buy gas. The destruction is here but you refuse to acknowledge it. You keep trashing Trump for made up fantasy when Biden is destroying America.
I am a democrat and I can see it. Biden has destroyed the lives of all innocent people in Afghanistan in just 6 months. Our borders are not secure and thousands are entering daily. How many of them are terrorists? The world sees a weak leader of USA and the world is taking advantage. We will see another 9-11 under Biden and you are to blame.
Real democrats care about USA. Obviously you do not. I don't know how you benefit from the crime, poverty and destruction of USA but you must to be ignoring the facts.
We are all Americans not democrats or republicans. Americans care about USA. Why don't you?Total nonsense. Nobody worked harder and more successfully to turn a likely manageable endemic in Wuhan into the Trump Pandemic it became than Donald Trump. Starting even earlier than Xi by his defunding the CDC and pulling their monitoring Pandemic Prevention and Response teams out of those Chinese labs in 2018 against all expert advice and dire warnings not to do something that stupid.
Followed by his publicly lying about the mode of transmission and deadly risk of it while mocking proven mitigation efforts in the critical early months.
Followed by him spending almost a year telling the world it was a "HOAX! There are only 15 cases out of China, one here and that will be near zero soon, we've got this under control, this will go away WITHOUT a vaccine, there will be NO coronavirus in the Fall (of 2020), oh did I mention this will go away WITHOUT a vaccine!?"
And those lies were all Trump economic decisions because he was hand-wringing terrified of disturbing Xi in the midst of his godawful failed Trade Negotiations.
Another 9-11? How about 200+ TIMES 9-11 already so far and you are to blame.
Stop with the revisionist history. We all heard and saw it in real time. The recordings of Trump admitting he "downplayed" all of it (read: lied about all of it) in his interviews with Bob Woodward have not been erased.
Btw, the Repubs in the House of Representatives are the only ones who voted to Defund The Police and they voted to do that unanimously.
Even FUX News Channel reported it:
Congressman: Its Your Party Who Are Defunding the Police (Video).
Fox News Sunday host pushed Republican Rep. Jim Banks on his decision to vote against Bidens relief plan that would help police departments
June 27, 2021
https://www.thewrap.com/chris-wallace-argues-gop-defunding-police-jim-banks/
Trump policies today are keeping the economy going?
Horseshit.
Neither Trump nor any other Repub voted for or signed the $1.9 Trillion Covid-19 Relief Package in March of 2021:
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/13/976595300/the-covid-19-relief-bill-passed-whats-bidens-next-big-move
I'll bet even FUX News Channel reported that, too.
The only part of the post worth reading.Because the rest of the post trashes trumpian logic.
Is there a reason for importing Russian oil? Yes, because it is better and my links proved that.
Are we energy independent as trump said? No, and my links proved that.
Because the rest of the post trashes trumpian logic.
Is there a reason for importing Russian oil? Yes, because it is better and my links proved that.
Are we energy independent as trump said? No, and my links proved that.Is there a reason for importing Russian oil rather than producing our own oil?
Is there a reason for boosting Russian Energy companies while hurting domestic oil companies?
Is there a reason for creating millions of jobs in Russia and losing millions of jobs in USA?
Is there a reason for paying more for Russian oil than USA oil?
Is there a reason for making Russian economy great and killing USA economy?
Is there a reason for gas prices of $5.00 gallon?
Only Biden and his loyal democrats can see good in this.
I am sure that there probably is a socialist on here that can agree with Biden on this.
Washington, D. C. —Many are expressing concerns over how far the Taliban has managed to advance after Press Secretary Jen Psaki gave her latest press conference while wearing an Islamic Hijab.
"No, there is nothing to worry about, Alhamdulillah, Allah be praised," said Psaki. "The Taliban poses no danger to the USA And they definitely have not advanced as far as Washington, the. See. Everything is fine here. ".
When asked about her new modest religious veil, she responded, "What do you mean? I always wear these! It's sunny out and it keeps the sun off my head. Nothing to worry about!" She then circled back to face Mecca and bowed her head to the ground. She then also stated: "Rumors of the fall of Afghanistan to the Islamist Taliban are greatly exaggerated!
The White House also confirmed that the crowd of military-aged males with AK47's playing soccer on the White House lawn was just a fun little bit of performance art and nothing to be concerned over.
In other news, the. See. Has confirmed that call to prayer will be at 3 pm this afternoon and that everyone needs to be on time. . .
Is there a reason for importing Russian oil rather than producing our own oil?
Is there a reason for boosting Russian Energy companies while hurting domestic oil companies?
Is there a reason for creating millions of jobs in Russia and losing millions of jobs in USA?
Is there a reason for paying more for Russian oil than USA oil?
Is there a reason for making Russian economy great and killing USA economy?
Is there a reason for gas prices of $5.00 gallon?
Only Biden and his loyal democrats can see good in this.
I am sure that there probably is a socialist on here that can agree with Biden on this.How much oil does the US export? About 35% of production. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6.
The bigger question is this: In 2019, the US imported 9.14 million BBLS / day and exported 8.47 million BBLS day.
Why?
OldSchool318
08-16-21, 22:45
I'm not sure who wins or who is really showing true IQ points for posting about politics on an international internet mongering forum.
However.
Whether Bush, Obama, Trump, or now Biden.
And none of the other international powerhouses of the day who were involved.
Could make Afghanistan a suitable mongering destination.
Peace and love Peace and LUVVV.
Washington, D. C. Many are expressing concerns over how far the Taliban has managed to advance after Press Secretary Jen Psaki gave her latest press conference while wearing an Islamic Hijab.
"No, there is nothing to worry about, Alhamdulillah, Allah be praised," said Psaki. "The Taliban poses no danger to the USA And they definitely have not advanced as far as Washington, the. See. Everything is fine here. ".
When asked about her new modest religious veil, she responded, "What do you mean? I always wear these! It's sunny out and it keeps the sun off my head. Nothing to worry about!" She then circled back to face Mecca and bowed her head to the ground. She then also stated: "Rumors of the fall of Afghanistan to the Islamist Taliban are greatly exaggerated!
The White House also confirmed that the crowd of military-aged males with AK47's playing soccer on the White House lawn was just a fun little bit of performance art and nothing to be concerned over.
In other news, the. See. Has confirmed that call to prayer will be at 3 pm this afternoon and that everyone needs to be on time..Then again, the real pictures are attached.
Elvis 2008
08-17-21, 01:21
Chris, I admire you for sticking in here and arguing but in the end it is futile. A Dem sent me an article today from Thomas Friedman about how Biden could still be proven right in Afghanistan.
I would put GW Bush and Carter as the two worst presidents in my life time. Thing is both started out with good approval ratings because they were quiet and not in the news at first. Biden's best quality was that he was not the headline grabber Trump was.
Well, now we see what happens when we put someone with dementia in the White House. That there are going to be the Democratic douches putting lipstick on this pig is inevitable but it is not going to stick. In addition to the Afghan disaster, there was this bit in the news: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/bidens-abysmal-day-just-got-worse-opec-snubs-plea-more-oil-says-wont-pump-more.
Biden's response was predictable. He blamed everyone but himself but the world is laughing at him in a way they never did with Trump. Say you what you will about Trump, he was crude, egotistical, but I do not recall anyone showing him this much disrespect. No one takes Biden seriously. Biden was talking about how Afghanistan was not going to fall on TV, and I had to tell my GF to change the channel because I could not handle such BS. Biden may have to bomb an aspirin factory like Clinton did to get this debacle off the front page.
The irony is that the Republicans in the know will never impeach Biden because they know that a demented Biden is actually better than a fully functioning Kamala Harris. Republicans I know are praying that Biden stays well. How screwed up is that?
100% of the focus of Dems in the primary was on beating Trump. They had no vision. They elected a horrible candidate whose only positive quality was they thought he could beat Trump.
That we are going to see a repeat of Carter IMO is inevitable. But then you have some douches here who actually think those were good times. Ha! They are going to be eating those words, but you know no matter how bad things get, those douches will never, never admit they are wrong.
Nobody could be worse than Trump right? Yeesh.
Again, I just want to leave this forum to them. I thought women were the ones who could delude themselves the most but these men make these women look completely rational. It is going to be fun laughing at their total BS.
Excellent post. You can usually tell what bad things leftists are doing because it is precisely what they accuse others of. For all the baseless lies about Trump / Russia, the fact is that it is Biden's handlers who have given Russia an enormous boost by approving the Russian pipeline to Europe and destroying the XL pipeline. Russia will now have vastly more energy exports, and vastly more power over Europe. Meanwhile America will need to import a huge amount, and Americans will suffer for it.
Ditto for the current shitshow in Afghanistan, with helicopters fleeing from the embassy just like in Saigon 1975. America is humiliated, and Russia and China are literally moving in as we speak to make deals with the Taliban.
Beijing4987
08-17-21, 02:13
Might I remind all the intellectual geopolitical geniuses here that Fat Nixon set an earlier date for withdrawal. In another time we chanted in the streets "Pull out Dick, like your father should have" Another jingoistic failed fantasy. The British, Russians, and others also got bloody noses from underestimating their adversaries. I'm not advocating for the Tally Band, a primitive tribe ascribing to religious claptrap and superstition. Please, no more black vs white verbal diarrhea about a very complex situation. Study the history before taping fingers to keyboards. "Charlie Wison's War" ?
How much oil does the US export? About 35% of production. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6.
The bigger question is this: In 2019, the US imported 9.14 million BBLS / day and exported 8.47 million BBLS day.
Why?In 2020 the USA imported the least amount of oil since 1991 as per government records below. USA was a net exporter. USA refineries all use different grades of crude oil to make different products. Some grades of crude USA has to much of. Some grades of crude like heavy oil USA needs to import it. Mostly from Canada but Biden screwed that up so now we are getting it from Russia. USA imports crude and refines it and exports the finished product. USA was no longer dependent on foreign oil as of December 31, 2020. 8 months later Biden is begging Russia and OPEC to produce more oil. When USA gets dependent on foreign oil prices go up. The more oil USA produces the prices go down. Hence we have high gas prices in 2021 that we didn't have in 2019 and 2020. Not rocket science but most of you won't understand this. It is the same with any commodity. Supply and demand. Biden energy policy: USA loses. Russia and OPEC benefit. Trump energy policy USA benefits. Russia and OPEC lose. Big difference.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.php
Might I remind all the intellectual geopolitical geniuses here that Fat Nixon set an earlier date for withdrawal. In another time we chanted in the streets "Pull out Dick, like your father should have" Another jingoistic failed fantasy. The British, Russians, and others also got bloody noses from underestimating their adversaries. I'm not advocating for the Tally Band, a primitive tribe ascribing to religious claptrap and superstition. Please, no more black vs white verbal diarrhea about a very complex situation. Study the history before taping fingers to keyboards. "Charlie Wison's War" ?Trump officially lost Bush's predictably failed war in Afghanistan, surrendering it to the Taliban, last year when he reduced our troop level to 2500, BEGotiated (Trump could never NEGotiate anything complicated) with just the Taliban, not the govt, for a specific withdrawal date regardless of conditions on the ground and then happily announced his intention to suck some Taliban cock at his invitation to Camp David on the anniversary of Bush's 9-11!
After that, whether the Taliban took over quickly or slowly, brutally or nicely was entirely up to them.
Trump officially lost Bush's predictably failed war in Afghanistan, surrendering it to the Taliban, last year when he reduced our troop level to 2500, BEGotiated (Trump could never NEGotiate anything complicated) with just the Taliban, not the govt, for a specific withdrawal date regardless of conditions on the ground and then happily announced his intention to suck some Taliban cock at his invitation to Camp David on the anniversary of Bush's 9-11!
After that, whether the Taliban took over quickly or slowly, brutally or nicely was entirely up to them.But the fascists won't believe you even though there's ample proof.
https://news.yahoo.com/gop-quietly-removed-webpage-hailing-111358281.html
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/8/15/2046070/-Taliban-leader-and-top-commanders-are-among-the-5000-fighters-Trump-released-against-objections?fbclid=IwAR07k1RBfVep-wdSwFXsXAU8dxiZG0yLtEhSiE-ndzzbzYBHLvKfspCPWXg
https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-blame-biden-uss-chaotic-210342818.html
They'll even ignore the fact that CNN is questioning it. https://news.yahoo.com/jake-tapper-presses-sec-state-171426131.html.
John Clayton
08-17-21, 04:55
How much oil does the US export? About 35% of production. https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6.
The bigger question is this: In 2019, the US imported 9.14 million BBLS / day and exported 8.47 million BBLS day.
Why?Long term deals. Different kinds of oil. Also, that figure doesn't differentiate between crude and products. We mostly export products, which are higher value -- it's called trade. Do you know that we both export and import beef to Mexico? Why? It turns out that some cuts of beef sell better down there -- there's no George Soros conspiracy.
Is there a reason for importing Russian oil? Yes, because it is better and my links proved that.
Are we energy independent as trump said? No, and my links proved that.There are lots of links out there saying Bruce Jenner is a woman. You probably believe them too.
Long term deals. Different kinds of oil. Also, that figure doesn't differentiate between crude and products. We mostly export products, which are higher value -- it's called trade. Do you know that we both export and import beef to Mexico? Why? It turns out that some cuts of beef sell better down there -- there's no George Soros conspiracy.Good to see you back from Leningrad.
The point is that Biden's handlers have massively boosted Russia and crippled US energy production. The former by approving the Russian pipeline to Europe, which will give Russia vast earnings and power over countries like Germany (literally the ability to turn out their lights); and the latter by stopping the XL pipeline, destroying tens of thousands of high-paying American jobs and reducing American energy independence.
Great job, Sleepy Joe. Almost as good as you did in Kabul.
Getting back to you quickly because there was no Trump crash, no Trump recession and no jobs lost by Trump policies. There was a pandemic. Trump policies today are keeping the economy going. Biden is doing his best to kill it.
California is suffering from Biden policies. Our restaurants and businesses were closed while other states were opened. Millions of people were put out of work and lives were destroyed. Businesses are closed. Democrats policy of defund the police and looting and stealing under $1000 not being a crime have destroyed business and made it unsafe to shop in many cities. Homeless control many areas in our state making our streets unsafe. Lower income families can no longer afford to buy gas. The destruction is here but you refuse to acknowledge it. You keep trashing Trump for made up fantasy when Biden is destroying America.
I am a democrat and I can see it. Biden has destroyed the lives of all innocent people in Afghanistan in just 6 months. Our borders are not secure and thousands are entering daily. How many of them are terrorists? The world sees a weak leader of USA and the world is taking advantage. We will see another 9-11 under Biden and you are to blame.Another excellent post. Remember all of the above when the midterms come up next year, and more importantly in 2024 when we have the opportunity to take back America from these incompetent, willfully destructive lunatics.
Washington, D. C. Many are expressing concerns over how far the Taliban has managed to advance after Press Secretary Jen Psaki gave her latest press conference while wearing an Islamic Hijab.
"No, there is nothing to worry about, Alhamdulillah, Allah be praised," said Psaki. "The Taliban poses no danger to the USA And they definitely have not advanced as far as Washington, the. See. Everything is fine here. ".
When asked about her new modest religious veil, she responded, "What do you mean? I always wear these! It's sunny out and it keeps the sun off my head. Nothing to worry about!" She then circled back to face Mecca and bowed her head to the ground. She then also stated: "Rumors of the fall of Afghanistan to the Islamist Taliban are greatly exaggerated!
The White House also confirmed that the crowd of military-aged males with AK47's playing soccer on the White House lawn was just a fun little bit of performance art and nothing to be concerned over.
In other news, the. See. Has confirmed that call to prayer will be at 3 pm this afternoon and that everyone needs to be on time. . ."She then circled back to face Mecca and bowed her head to the ground" - LOL.
When Biden was asked his thoughts on the Muslim takeover, he was heard to reply: "Muslin? Softest sheets I ever owned. Oh yeah. I, er. You know, the thing! What was the question? Where am I? Come on man! Record player. Cornpop. " before wandering into a Bush in the Rose Garden.
When Trump or a Trump Wannabe Repub wins California because Californians are so horrified by what Biden and the Dems have done and long for the wonderful Trump Crash, Great Trump Repub Recession and Massive Job Destruction in the millions and millions of yore, get back to me.You truly have no credibility as you can only rehearse the same mantras over and over. That isn't debate, it's called filibuster, and you'd be stoked for it constantly, anywhere but in a monger forum. That's why you are here. We know Trump is an idiot, but you day after day shriek about Republicans causing all the "crashes" while ignoring Wilson and Truman's recessions. You mock Ike calling the 50's "atrocious," while ignoring all the gains for common people, especially those unionized and in blue collar fields. It was an age of the guy off to work with his lunch box, two roast beef sandwiches and a piece of pie, home ownership, and situations where the wife could afford to stay home. You praise Jimmy Carter even though he left behind a recession and was booted out of office after one term in an embarrassing landslide defeat. And much of a case can be made for the Reagan years, especially seeing that he for much of the time had to deal with a Democratic Congress, which meant compromise.
Like it or not Biden has egg on his face with Afghanistan, as well his hesitancy with voting rights reform as the modern era Jim Crow nonsense digs in it's heels. That all reality for someone who wishes a balanced perspective.
P.S. Stop harassing me in my PM box. I told you that I'm on vacation, but of course your self-centeredness and insistence on being right all the time takes precedence.
Is there a reason for importing Russian oil rather than producing our own oil?
Is there a reason for boosting Russian Energy companies while hurting domestic oil companies?
Is there a reason for creating millions of jobs in Russia and losing millions of jobs in USA?
Is there a reason for paying more for Russian oil than USA oil?
Is there a reason for making Russian economy great and killing USA economy?
Is there a reason for gas prices of $5.00 gallon?
Only Biden and his loyal democrats can see good in this.
I am sure that there probably is a socialist on here that can agree with Biden on this.When cars are predominately electric there will be minimal oil imported, no reason to have a presence in the middle east, Russia will be broke and the air will be a lot cleaner to breathe and the people to thank will be Democrats.
Elvis 2008
08-17-21, 14:47
Trump officially lost Bush's predictably failed war in Afghanistan, surrendering it to the Taliban, last year when he reduced our troop level to 2500What is predictable is you blaming Trump for this debacle by Biden.
Elvis 2008
08-17-21, 15:21
Some grades of crude USA has to much of. Some grades of crude like heavy oil USA needs to import it. Mostly from Canada but Biden screwed that up so now we are getting it from Russia.No, that is not right, but you are getting there. It used to be that everyone wanted sweet crude because gasoline was the big seller. Then diesel cars took off in Europe and you get better yields of diesel with sour crude.
America got sour crude from Venezuela not Canada. The shale oil in the USA and Canada is mostly sweet. Venezuelan production has plummeted which is mostly Venezuela's fault. When you look for sour crude, the country that had it in excess was Russia hence the buying from them. That explains why we are importing from Russia, and it explains the increase in price of diesel fuel.
Gasoline is a different story. The USA has plenty of capacity there and is producing much less now than preCovid. The reason we have not gotten up to precovid levels is American oil companies are pissed at Biden and not in any hurry to have their hands slapped again. You have him cancelling the Keystone pipeline after they put God knows how much money into that. By the way, that is just a pay off to Warren Buffett a big time Democrat contributor who moves Canadian oil by train. A pipeline is cheaper and safer.
Then you have this BS climate change stuff where the oil companies are responsible for destroying the planet. Biden could have asked the American oil companies to increase production but he knew he would be given the middle finger.
So he went to OPEC which is really Saudi Arabia. The Saudis know the USA has capacity to increase production easily. In the past, the world was at full capacity. It is not now. Saudi Arabia knows that shale is a game changer and they have lost control of pricing. They know the rise in price is temporary as shale production will soon rise to match the increase in demand. So they told Biden to pound sand and will enjoy this temporary surge in prices.
Things will smooth out soon, but the reason to me is disgusting. American oil independence was a great story but with the Dems mucking it up, the oil companies will go elsewhere. There is a huge field in Argentina, the vaca muerta, that is as big as the one in West Texas. Instead of investing in Texas, the oil companies will go where they are wanted which is a place like Argentina. Say good bye to all those good oil jobs.
When Biden came in and declared war on the oil companies, you could see them change their behavior. Again, this was just politics as oil companies typically support Republicans. Now that he needs these same companies, they are not going to help him. Like with Afghanistan, Biden is just very, very short sighted. Cancelling that oil pipeline was a huge fuckup and sent word to the oil companies not to invest in America.
Beijing4987
08-17-21, 19:21
We are still waiting for T. Rex Tillerson to write his tell all book, but we know how he felt about his ex boss, an ex president: "fucking moron", sour, crude, and definitely not sweet. Fat Nixon's first trip abroad was to OPEC, otherwise known as Saudi Arabia to give MBS a handjob and fondle his Orb. El Vez has secured interviews with all the relevant players to issue his manifesto. True Dough, Vlad, Maduro & Alberto Fernández: "They will never apologize to me because I knelt before the IMF and indebted Argentina and generations of Argentines" MBS even gave a tour of the torture chamber and bone saw museum.
What is predictable is you blaming Trump for this debacle by Biden.Sooooo, what you are saying is that trump didn't negotiate an American withdrawal from Afghanistan? That trump wanted the pullout to be after Biden's date? That the QOP went along with trump without complaint? That trump expected the Taliban to play by the rules? That trump didn't handcuff the Afghan government by leaving them out of the negotiations?
Is that what you're saying? Because if it is, it is a lie.
There is plenty of blame to go around on this fiasco that is attributable to both trump and Biden.
Chris, I admire you for sticking in here and arguing but in the end it is futile. A Dem sent me an article today from Thomas Friedman about how Biden could still be proven right in Afghanistan.
I would put GW Bush and Carter as the two worst presidents in my life time. Thing is both started out with good approval ratings because they were quiet and not in the news at first. Biden's best quality was that he was not the headline grabber Trump was.
Well, now we see what happens when we put someone with dementia in the White House. That there are going to be the Democratic douches putting lipstick on this pig is inevitable but it is not going to stick. In addition to the Afghan disaster, there was this bit in the news: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/bidens-abysmal-day-just-got-worse-opec-snubs-plea-more-oil-says-wont-pump-more.
Biden's response was predictable. He blamed everyone but himself but the world is laughing at him in a way they never did with Trump. Say you what you will about Trump, he was crude, egotistical, but I do not recall anyone showing him this much disrespect. No one takes Biden seriously. Biden was talking about how Afghanistan was not going to fall on TV, and I had to tell my GF to change the channel because I could not handle such BS. Biden may have to bomb an aspirin factory like Clinton did to get this debacle off the front page..Good post, but you got one thing wrong. I'm not on here to persuade the democrat douches on this board. Their brainwashing is so deep they would probably have a brain aneurysm if they actually thought about anything. My posts are for people reading who probably never post, who just check in every now and then. It's good to let them know that the wacko leftist lunacy they see in so much of the fake media is just as wrong-headed and idiotic as they sense it is.
About Biden, we should all pray for the senile old vegetable to stay in (nominal) power for at least the next couple of years, because if Harris gets in things will become very bad for conservative heritage Americans. She is a classic product of the woke communist grievance industry, and her hatred of America and white men runs to her core. When in California, she ordered a police raid on the home of a (white male, of course) journalist whose reporting displeased her. Of course the fake news never publicized it. If she becomes president she will attempt mass gun confiscation by force; imposition of vaccine passports in grocery stores (ie you will starve to death if you don't comply); federalization of all police in the country (ie they all work directly for her). It will be a very dark time for us, in more ways than one.
The best thing would be for Biden to cling on until near the end of his illegitimate regime; maybe give out with a few months to go, so everyone can see just how terrible Harris is before the 2024 election.
In 2020 the USA imported the least amount of oil since 1991 as per government records below. USA was a net exporter. USA refineries all use different grades of crude oil to make different products. Some grades of crude USA has to much of. Some grades of crude like heavy oil USA needs to import it. Mostly from Canada but Biden screwed that up so now we are getting it from Russia. USA imports crude and refines it and exports the finished product. USA was no longer dependent on foreign oil as of December 31, 2020. 8 months later Biden is begging Russia and OPEC to produce more oil. When USA gets dependent on foreign oil prices go up. The more oil USA produces the prices go down. Hence we have high gas prices in 2021 that we didn't have in 2019 and 2020. Not rocket science but most of you won't understand this. It is the same with any commodity. Supply and demand. Biden energy policy: USA loses. Russia and OPEC benefit. Trump energy policy USA benefits. Russia and OPEC lose. Big difference.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/imports-and-exports.phpExcellent forensic post. It won't have any effect on the impenetrable brainwashing of the individual you're replying to, but rest assured that many saner and smarter people will read it and take note.
P.S. Stop harassing me in my PM box. I told you that I'm on vacation, but of course your self-centeredness and insistence on being right all the time takes precedence.Haha! These leftist wackos actually PMing people who call out their BS! Careful bud, one of them will probably hire an investigator and show up at your house soon.
When cars are predominately electric there will be minimal oil imported, no reason to have a presence in the middle east, Russia will be broke and the air will be a lot cleaner to breathe and the people to thank will be Democrats.Right, because the vast amounts of electricity required to power those cars, and to make the batteries (which need to be replaced regularly) will be produced by. Rainbows and fluffy kittens.
Good post, but you got one thing wrong. I'm not on here to persuade the democrat douches on this board. Their brainwashing is so deep they would probably have a brain aneurysm if they actually thought about anything. My posts are for people reading who probably never post, who just check in every now and then. It's good to let them know that the wacko leftist lunacy they see in so much of the fake media is just as wrong-headed and idiotic as they sense it is.
About Biden, we should all pray for the senile old vegetable to stay in (nominal) power for at least the next couple of years, because if Harris gets in things will become very bad for conservative heritage Americans. She is a classic product of the woke communist grievance industry, and her hatred of America and white men runs to her core. When in California, she ordered a police raid on the home of a (white male, of course) journalist whose reporting displeased her. Of course the fake news never publicized it. If she becomes president she will attempt mass gun confiscation by force; imposition of vaccine passports in grocery stores (ie you will starve to death if you don't comply); federalization of all police in the country (ie they all work directly for her). It will be a very dark time for us, in more ways than one.
The best thing would be for Biden to cling on until near the end of his illegitimate regime; maybe give out with a few months to go, so everyone can see just how terrible Harris is before the 2024 election."because if Harris gets in things will become very bad for conservative heritage Americans. " This is the type of dog-whistle phrasing that racists use.
" If she becomes president she will attempt mass gun confiscation by force; imposition of vaccine passports in grocery stores (ie you will starve to death if you don't comply); federalization of all police in the country (ie they all work directly for her). It will be a very dark time for us, in more ways than one. "This is typical fascist misinformation. Fux news spews this vile crap nightly. https://www.thedailybeast.com/tucker-carlson-warns-that-america-will-be-invaded-by-millions-of-afghan-refugees.
You truly have no credibility as you can only rehearse the same mantras over and over. That isn't debate, it's called filibuster, and you'd be stoked for it constantly, anywhere but in a monger forum. That's why you are here. We know Trump is an idiot, but you day after day shriek about Republicans causing all the "crashes" while ignoring Wilson and Truman's recessions. You mock Ike calling the 50's "atrocious," while ignoring all the gains for common people, especially those unionized and in blue collar fields. It was an age of the guy off to work with his lunch box, two roast beef sandwiches and a piece of pie, home ownership, and situations where the wife could afford to stay home. You praise Jimmy Carter even though he left behind a recession and was booted out of office after one term in an embarrassing landslide defeat. And much of a case can be made for the Reagan years, especially seeing that he for much of the time had to deal with a Democratic Congress, which meant compromise.
Like it or not Biden has egg on his face with Afghanistan, as well his hesitancy with voting rights reform as the modern era Jim Crow nonsense digs in it's heels. That all reality for someone who wishes a balanced perspective.
P.S. Stop harassing me in my PM box. I told you that I'm on vacation, but of course your self-centeredness and insistence on being right all the time takes precedence.LOL. More easily debunked total nonsense from you on every point, especially the part about me harassing you in PMs.
Folks, beware, that loon started sending me PMs he was too much of a coward to post here and then began sending me THREE PMs at a time with the same message until I told him it would require a lot less work on his part if he just posted on the main board. Thankfully, he has not PMd me once in the past 3-4 days after I pointed that out. Good thing. I was on the verge of reporting him to the site Administrator. Lolol
Now I know even YOU know the stuff you post is total nonsense. You gave it away with that bit about me harassing you in PMs.
What is predictable is you blaming Trump for this debacle by Biden.When will George W. Bush and everyone who voted for him apologize for that predictably failed war?
LOL. More total nonsense, especially the part about me harassing you in PMs.
Folks, that loon started sending me PMs he was too much of a coward to post here and then began sending me THREE PMs at a time with the same message until I told him it would require a lot less work on his part if he just posted on the main board. Thankfully, he has not PMd me once in the past 3-4 days after I pointed that out. LololHe's "on vacation."
Oh. Looks like Biden managed to at least get an agreement from the Taliban to make a positive public statement regarding women's rights. Much more thanTrump got. Trump was only concerned about them please not shooting at us when we fled the country under his "leadership."
Taliban says women can be very active in society. A watching world is skeptical.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-08-17/kabul-taliban-starts-governing-declares-amnesty
Elvis 2008
08-18-21, 01:51
Sooooo, what you are saying is that trump didn't negotiate an American withdrawal from Afghanistan?Oh, let me make it easier for you douche. When I saw Biden saying the Taliban were not going to take over Afghanistan, I had my GF turn off the TV because I could not listen to his bullshit.
When the Taliban overran Afghanistan, I was laughing at how you douches would be pointing fingers and sure enough, it is Trump's fault or partially Trump's fault because he did (fill in the blank) when Biden totally shit the bed on his own.
You and Eihtooms are such partisan Democratic that if a Democrat killed a 100 Republicans in cold blood, you two would find a way to blame the dead Republicans. That is what I am saying. Got it now?
Elvis 2008
08-18-21, 01:55
When will George W. Bush and everyone who voted for him apologize for that predictably failed war?The minute you Democratic and all who voted for him apologize for Clinton not getting rid of Bin Laden. Two can play the partisan finger pointing game.
Tucker Carlson (and Laura Ingraham) don't seem to think taking care of the Afghans we left behind is really the USA's responsibility at all.
Tucker Carlson Slams U.S. Housing Afghanistan Refugees: 'First We Invade, Then We Are Invaded'
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-slams-us-housing-afghanistan-refugees-first-we-invade-then-we-are-invaded-1619954
Oh. Looks like Biden managed to at least get an agreement from the Taliban to make a positive public statement regarding women's rights. Much more thanTrump got. Trump was only concerned about them please not shooting at us when we fled the country under his "leadership."
Taliban says women can be very active in society. A watching world is skeptical.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-08-17/kabul-taliban-starts-governing-declares-amnestyBiden failed to mention Taliban is giving women's rights according to Islam Law. Which means they don't get any rights. Biden begging to Taliban just shows weakness. Biden showed the world that USA leadership is weak and can be taken advantage of. Taliban first to do it. Took them 3 or 4 days. Terrorists are in hog heaven with Biden presidency. They can just walk into USA from Mexico and we have another 9-11. There is a reason Taliban didn't try taking over all of Afghanistan when Trump cut troops to 2500 because Trump would have retaliated. They waited for a weak spineless president that begs Taliban to let US citizens leave.
Democrats and Republicans both acknowledge this.
You truly have no credibility as you can only rehearse the same mantras over and over. That isn't debate, it's called filibuster, and you'd be stoked for it constantly, anywhere but in a monger forum. That's why you are here. We know Trump is an idiot, but you day after day shriek about Republicans causing all the "crashes" while ignoring Wilson and Truman's recessions. You mock Ike calling the 50's "atrocious," while ignoring all the gains for common people, especially those unionized and in blue collar fields. It was an age of the guy off to work with his lunch box, two roast beef sandwiches and a piece of pie, home ownership, and situations where the wife could afford to stay home. You praise Jimmy Carter even though he left behind a recession and was booted out of office after one term in an embarrassing landslide defeat. And much of a case can be made for the Reagan years, especially seeing that he for much of the time had to deal with a Democratic Congress, which meant compromise.
Like it or not Biden has egg on his face with Afghanistan, as well his hesitancy with voting rights reform as the modern era Jim Crow nonsense digs in it's heels. That all reality for someone who wishes a balanced perspective.
P.S. Stop harassing me in my PM box. I told you that I'm on vacation, but of course your self-centeredness and insistence on being right all the time takes precedence.Just wondering where you got that Eisenhower was so great for jobs creation of any kind for any demographic. You have repeated it a few times here and in your harassing PMs to me. BTW, I never said "the 1950's were atricious." I said Eisenhower's economy was atrocious. Hey, I like roast beef sandwiches and even ate a few during the Eisenhower years. But then, I ate a few during every president's term since Ike as well.
And I did not post that "atrocious" message here. I wrote it in a PM reply to your PM asking me what I had against Eisenhower's economy. LOL. You know, the reply you sent several harassing PMs about "not reading" it? Clearly a lie.
Anyway, back to Repub potus economies vs Dem potus economies from FDR/Truman to Biden, the link below is an easy to read general overview of the topic including various important factors like GPD growth, Jobs Creation, Recessions, Deficits, etc.
Too bad they didn't go back a full 100 years, the time frame I like to use for these comparisons (Wilson was gone by then). Including Hoover and the Repubs before him after 1921. That would have made the already crap results for Repubs vs Dems ever so much worse and clearer to see why, because those pre FDR Repubs' economic philosophy and agenda is the template for what Repubs have loved to do over and over again ever since. You know, the policies that produced, presided over and exacerbated The Great Repub Crash and Depression of the late 1920s/early 1930s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_under_Democratic_and_Republican_presidents
As you can see, Eisenhower racked up three Recessions in just 8 years and earned one of the lowest ratings for average annual Jobs Creatiion for any president since such data is available, WAY down there with Trump, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush. They don't show data for roast beef sandwiches though.
Oh, and Carter's rating on that critical factor is among the TOP 3-4 of the past 100 years, all Democrats, of course, with Biden already rating VERY highly on that factor. Truman is rated highly as well despite his brief and relatively insignificant post-WWII recession while paying off those WWII debts.
As usual, Obama's historically unprecedented positive jobs creation record is unfairly marred by the timing of G.W. Bush's colossal job destruction Niagara Falls that was just cresting for its biggest crash as Obama took the Oath of Office in January 2009.
But even with that unfairness in the mix Obama's rating surpasses that of Trump, the Bushes and Eisenhower. It goes without saying it would have beat the hell out of Hoover's too, if they had gone back a full 100 years to show a remarkably consistent pattern of Repub economic under performance and disaster vs Dem economic recovery, growth and expansion right up to this very day as I like to do whenever the topic is brought up by others as you did here and in your PMs to me.
Tucker Carlson (and Laura Ingraham) don't seem to think taking care of the Afghans we left behind is really the USA's responsibility at all.
Tucker Carlson Slams U.S. Housing Afghanistan Refugees: 'First We Invade, Then We Are Invaded'
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-slams-us-housing-afghanistan-refugees-first-we-invade-then-we-are-invaded-1619954We didn't "leave them behind" because we didn't bring them there in the first place. They chose to work for us, knowing the risks, and were well paid for doing so. The contract did not include residency and lifetime welfare in America.
Just wondering where you got that Eisenhower was so great for jobs creation of any kind for any demographic. You have repeated it a few times here and in your harassing PMs to me. BTW, I never said "the 1950's were atricious." I said Eisenhower's economy was atrocious. Hey, I like roast beef sandwiches and even ate a few during the Eisenhower years. But then, I ate a few during every president's term since Ike as well.
And I did not post that "atrocious" message here. I wrote it in a PM reply to your PM asking me what I had against Eisenhower's economy. LOL. You know, the reply you sent several harassing PMs about "not reading" it? Clearly a lie.
Anyway, back to Repub potus economies vs Dem potus economies from FDR/Truman to Biden, the link below is an easy to read general overview of the topic including various important factors like GPD growth, Jobs Creation, Recessions, Deficits, etc..The fascists who reply will first deride wikipedia. But don't post any other sources about the economies of each President (even though those sources exist) because the fascists will yell fake news (even though they haven't read the sources. That's because they didn't hear it on their one-true-news-source: Fux "News".
Oh, let me make it easier for you douche. When I saw Biden saying the Taliban were not going to take over Afghanistan, I had my GF turn off the TV because I could not listen to his bullshit.
When the Taliban overran Afghanistan, I was laughing at how you douches would be pointing fingers and sure enough, it is Trump's fault or partially Trump's fault because he did (fill in the blank) when Biden totally shit the bed on his own.
You and Eihtooms are such partisan Democratic that if a Democrat killed a 100 Republicans in cold blood, you two would find a way to blame the dead Republicans. That is what I am saying. Got it now?You are saying that the former guy did not negotiate with the Taliban without getting the Afghan government involved.
You are saying that the former guy did not require the Afghan government to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners.
You are saying that the terms that the former guy "negotiated" with the Taliban did not force the Taliban to not acquire additional territory prior to the US withdrawal.
Because if that's what you are saying, I can prove it is a lie.
What I find laughable is that the QOP would have pilloried Biden no matter what. If he would have said "we going to stay in Afghanistan until we can leave with honor", you fascists would have called him a warmonger.
We didn't "leave them behind" because we didn't bring them there in the first place. They chose to work for us, knowing the risks, and were well paid for doing so. The contract did not include residency and lifetime welfare in America.Using this same logic, Chrisp thinks that it would be fine if willfully refusing a COVID vaccine would result in a COVID patient being refused medical treatment and also to pay for the medical expenses of all that he / she infected. "They knew the risks and it didn't include free medical care".
Biden failed to mention Taliban is giving women's rights according to Islam Law. Which means they don't get any rights. Biden begging to Taliban just shows weakness. Biden showed the world that USA leadership is weak and can be taken advantage of. Taliban first to do it. Took them 3 or 4 days. Terrorists are in hog heaven with Biden presidency. They can just walk into USA from Mexico and we have another 9-11. There is a reason Taliban didn't try taking over all of Afghanistan when Trump cut troops to 2500 because Trump would have retaliated. They waited for a weak spineless president that begs Taliban to let US citizens leave.
Democrats and Republicans both acknowledge this.https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/3952441651522306/
"You're not gonna need an 'exit strategy'."
"As soon as we leave it's all gonna blow up anyway."
- the very strong and threatening BEGotiator, Donald J. Trump.
The minute you Democratic and all who voted for him apologize for Clinton not getting rid of Bin Laden. Two can play the partisan finger pointing game.Get rid of him based on what evidence Clinton had as president? You do have to explain to the world why the USA killed the son of a wealthy, well placed Middle East businessman and popular member of that family. The CIA, FBI and other intel agencies did not determine Bin Laden was (likely) responsible for the October 2000 USS Cole attack until June of 2001. What did the POTUS at that time do about it?
We didn't "leave them behind" because we didn't bring them there in the first place. They chose to work for us, knowing the risks, and were well paid for doing so. The contract did not include residency and lifetime welfare in America.Then what are the Biden critics on FUX News Channel and elsewhere demanding should have been done with them after Trump reduced our troop level to a paltry 2500 five days before leaving office, probably his obedient response to an order from the Taliban to do so, refusing to work with and coordinate any "plan" with the incoming administration, Trump obediently having gotten those 5,000 Taliban terrorists released from prison on the Taliban's orders but against the wishes of the Afghanistan government, the president of Afghanistan fleeing in terror and all the Warlords and local officials taking Taliban bribes to do nothing and look the other way while the Taliban seized control of Kabul without firing a single shot?
Just put them on a plane and fly around non stop until they die of old age? Set up a new Witness Protection I.D. and life for them in a cave?
When CNN is calling the Biden admin out for their incompetence, you know they f'd up huge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBE9OqILRrk
We didn't "leave them behind" because we didn't bring them there in the first place. They chose to work for us, knowing the risks, and were well paid for doing so. The contract did not include residency and lifetime welfare in America.I mean if you don't care that thousands of Afghans helping our troops and risking their lives along with our troops all these years might end up getting tortured and killed, then there is no problem with Biden's botched withdrawal. All is good, right? Is that what you're saying?
Oh, let me make it easier for you douche. When I saw Biden saying the Taliban were not going to take over Afghanistan, I had my GF turn off the TV because I could not listen to his bullshit.
When the Taliban overran Afghanistan, I was laughing at how you douches would be pointing fingers and sure enough, it is Trump's fault or partially Trump's fault because he did (fill in the blank) when Biden totally shit the bed on his own.
You and Eihtooms are such partisan Democratic that if a Democrat killed a 100 Republicans in cold blood, you two would find a way to blame the dead Republicans. That is what I am saying. Got it now?Could you make it easier for me douche to understand why you can't turn off the TV on your own?
I mean if you don't care that thousands of Afghans helping our troops and risking their lives along with our troops all these years might end up getting tortured and killed, then there is no problem with Biden's botched withdrawal. All is good, right? Is that what you're saying?Where in their contracts did it say "permanent residency and lifetime welfare in America"?
The scenes at the Fall of Kabul will go down with the Fall of Saigon as an abject humiliation for America. In fact it is worse: the South Vietnamese army at least held out for 2 years after US military withdrawal. The Afghan National Army couldn't even hold out for 2 weeks. The Taliban have now surrounded the airport, and the Biden administration is having to beg them to permit Americans to leave.
Biden presided over this disastrous humiliation, which has weakened and embarrassed the US.
And all you can think about is filling America with more third world shitholers on welfare. LOL. Election fraud, fake news, humiliation, failure, third world invasion: a fitting end to our fallen country.
We didn't "leave them behind" because we didn't bring them there in the first place. They chose to work for us, knowing the risks, and were well paid for doing so. The contract did not include residency and lifetime welfare in America.This has got to be the wackiest comment I've ever read.
Evidently the QOP figures that every LEO that has been killed worldwide "chose the work, knew the risks and was well-paid". Tell that to their families you douche.
The same thing goes for the military, firefighters and every other person working in a dangerous job like the ones listed here: https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states.
The sad part is that the OP doesn't know how many people he insulted. Worse, he doesn't care.
I mean if you don't care that thousands of Afghans helping our troops and risking their lives along with our troops all these years might end up getting tortured and killed, then there is no problem with Biden's botched withdrawal. All is good, right? Is that what you're saying?Exactly. And Repubs can't possibly fault Biden for the Taliban's positive announcement regarding women's rights and other social issues even if it will be either according to Islamic Law or the Taliban's version of it.
I hear for the Taliban that means abortion is forbidden, gay marriage is forbidden, vaccines are forbidden, a rejection of science, no separation of church and state, religion taught in schools...need I go on?
Oh, let me make it easier for you douche. When I saw Biden saying the Taliban were not going to take over Afghanistan, I had my GF turn off the TV because I could not listen to his bullshit.
When the Taliban overran Afghanistan, I was laughing at how you douches would be pointing fingers and sure enough, it is Trump's fault or partially Trump's fault because he did (fill in the blank) when Biden totally shit the bed on his own.
You and Eihtooms are such partisan Democratic that if a Democrat killed a 100 Republicans in cold blood, you two would find a way to blame the dead Republicans. That is what I am saying. Got it now?Afghanistan has zero strategic importance yet trillions of dollars were spent on it for what? Bush failed in Afghanistan to capture Bin Laden, there was no other purpose to be there. So what is your point. What difference does it make if the Taliban are in control? The money spent on fighting the Taliban would have been much more wisely spent on American health care or social services, even maintaining departments to monitor pandemic risks and implement action plans.
Right, because the vast amounts of electricity required to power those cars, and to make the batteries (which need to be replaced regularly) will be produced by. Rainbows and fluffy kittens.Not oil from Russia or the Middle East or do you like to hand your money over to people actively working against your interests!
Two roast beef sandwiches and a piece of pie, four deviled eggs (all homemade), and two cartons of milk. Home ownership, strong unions, stat ay home wives, flourishing GI bill, mind blowing golden age of cimena, and that was the 50's, Ike. We also saw the inauguration of Civil Rights in highly courageous films like Giant, iconic and immortal. Look it up. The era was so good that it took a pale flunkie, Nixon with awful TV debate performances to thwart an essential third term by a hair, something that is most hard to do.
Afghanistan? Well, there's a principle few politicians understand. If you have an angry pitt bull by the ears, don't let go. It will be a black mark on the Biden legacy that conservatives will harp on to try and get back in power. There's already been positives. More positives and negatives are to come. Opponents will minimize or dismiss the former, while howling about that latter. That's politics.
That said hopefully we call all agree that two roast beef sandwiches, deviled eggs, pegan pie and fresh milk sound very good, and all for a hard working man. Wink.
Using this same logic, Chrisp thinks that it would be fine if willfully refusing a COVID vaccine would result in a COVID patient being refused medical treatment and also to pay for the medical expenses of all that he / she infected. "They knew the risks and it didn't include free medical care".No, that's not using the same logic. Or indeed any logic. But speaking of infecting people (with a disease that causes real harm) I will note that democrats have decriminalized knowingly passing on HIV in states they control. Probably because much of their base is already infected. Which would you rather contract. Covid or aids?
This has got to be the wackiest comment I've ever read.
Evidently the QOP figures that every LEO that has been killed worldwide "chose the work, knew the risks and was well-paid". Tell that to their families you douche.
The same thing goes for the military, firefighters and every other person working in a dangerous job like the ones listed here: https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states.
The sad part is that the OP doesn't know how many people he insulted. Worse, he doesn't care.A typical non-sequitur from the DD (Democrat Douche).
Let me make it simple: non-citizens who freely chose to work for the US in Afghanistan, at good rates of pay, are not entitled to permanent residency and lifetime welfare for themselves (and their extended families via chain migration) in the USA.
That has nothing whatsoever to do with LEOs or firefighters being killed. Only someone with their head in the communist clouds could write such nonsense. Stop insulting good Americans doing tough jobs you would never do by comparing them with third world shithole welfare flunkies.
The era was so good that it took a pale flunkie, Nixon with awful TV debate performances to thwart an essential third term by a hairActually it was democrat election rigging that thwarted a third term. Some things never change.
Not oil from Russia or the Middle East or do you like to hand your money over to people actively working against your interests!Republicans want to produce oil and gas domestically but the democrats including Biden wants to get our oil from Russia and OPEC which are against the USA. You support this.
Most of the solar panels are made in China. Most of the lithium for batteries for electric cars and electric storage is controlled by China. The democrats are obviously making China economy boom.
We are handing our economy and money to our adversaries. Smart move Biden.
When CNN is calling the Biden admin out for their incompetence, you know they f'd up huge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBE9OqILRrkNah. It's just that free media don't spare those who fuck up. Dems, reps, Cuomo, Biden, Trump, doesn't matter. They report.
I understand that for people who have volunteered to twist their brains into believing liars and cheerleaders from the likes of FOX or OANN, this is a hard concept to grasp. But the fact remains. Dealing with Taliban was cheered on by all Trumpies out there while the Red Menace was in office. Unilateral withdrawals, base closings, leaving caches of weapons for advancing Taliban, all was good.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-taliban-peace-deal-afghanistan-jim-hanson
https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-signs-historic-peace-deal-with-taliban-pompeo-strikes-cautious-tone
Where in their contracts did it say "permanent residency and lifetime welfare in America"? SNIPg
And all you can think about is filling America with more third world shitholers on welfare. LOL. No, all I can think of is helping our Afghan allies (who we asked to risk their lives for our own strategic goals) to stay alive.
But it's telling how you and your ilk believe that every immigrant coming to the USA goes on welfare (and "lifetime welfare" no less).
This has got to be the wackiest comment I've ever read.
Evidently the QOP figures that every LEO that has been killed worldwide "chose the work, knew the risks and was well-paid". Tell that to their families you douche.
The same thing goes for the military, firefighters and every other person working in a dangerous job like the ones listed here: https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states.
The sad part is that the OP doesn't know how many people he insulted. Worse, he doesn't care.Of course he doesn't. But is it that surprising?
Their own Dear Leader told a military widow who JUST lost her husband that he "knew what he signed up for. ".
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2017/10/18/lawmaker-says-trump-told-military-widow-that-her-husband-knew-what-he-signed-up-for/
Trump and trumpies -- a match made in a dumpster.
I will note that democrats have decriminalized knowingly passing on HIV in states they control.Another tired and boring lie.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/16/politics/fact-check-boebert-legalized-hiv-covid-restaurants/index.html
Beijing4987
08-19-21, 21:16
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Then what are the Biden critics on FUX News Channel and elsewhere demanding should have been done with them after Trump reduced our troop level to a paltry 2500 five days before leaving office, probably his obedient response to an order from the Taliban to do so, refusing to work with and coordinate any "plan" with the incoming administration, Trump obediently having gotten those 5,000 Taliban terrorists released from prison on the Taliban's orders but against the wishes of the Afghanistan government, the president of Afghanistan fleeing in terror and all the Warlords and local officials taking Taliban bribes to do nothing and look the other way while the Taliban seized control of Kabul without firing a single shot?
Just put them on a plane and fly around non stop until they die of old age? Set up a new Witness Protection I.D. and life for them in a cave?It has been 8 months since Biden took office. When Trump reduced troops to 2500 why didn't Taliban take Kabul then? It seems like they waited for a weak president to put his plan in to attack. Biden had 8 months to figure it out but Biden didn't have a plan. He just assumed Taliban would cooperate. He should have been smart enough to get all the Americans out at least before he reduced troops further but he didn't. He should have listened to his military advisors telling him that he was moving to fast. But in his defense he didn't remember these discussions because he is senile. This catastrophe is totally Biden. You can't blame Trump or anyone else. Now 10,000 to 15,000 Americans will lose their lives. The whole world know Biden screwed up and it is an embarrassment to the USA.
There are numerous Muslim countries for these Afghans to live in. There is no reason to force these Afghans to live in an oppressive racist country like the USA, per BLM. Give them a flight to Mecca and let Saudi Arabia pay for their welfare bennies and Section 8 housing. Think the Saudis can afford a little charity for the Afghan pilgrims to Mecca? As a bonus, US citizens don't have to worry about these "refugees" flying an airliner into a skyscraper, which is what started this whole mess. The "Invade the World; Invite the World" strategy of George W. Bush is a disaster for the average American.
I mean if you don't care that thousands of Afghans helping our troops and risking their lives along with our troops all these years might end up getting tortured and killed, then there is no problem with Biden's botched withdrawal. All is good, right? Is that what you're saying?
It has been 8 months since Biden took office. When Trump reduced troops to 2500 why didn't Taliban take Kabul then? It seems like they waited for a weak president to put his plan in to attack. Biden had 8 months to figure it out but Biden didn't have a plan. He just assumed Taliban would cooperate. He should have been smart enough to get all the Americans out at least before he reduced troops further but he didn't. He should have listened to his military advisors telling him that he was moving to fast. But in his defense he didn't remember these discussions because he is senile. This catastrophe is totally Biden. You can't blame Trump or anyone else. Now 10,000 to 15,000 Americans will lose their lives. The whole world know Biden screwed up and it is an embarrassment to the USA.Instead of asking this ridiculous question "When Trump reduced troops to 2500 why didn't Taliban take Kabul then?" , why not look it up? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57933979 The answer is obvious. The Taliban didn't control enough of the country, as any military person could have told you.
But if the Taliban didn't control much of the country when the trump negotiations were over, how come they do now? One reason is that the former guy didn't negotiate for the Taliban to remain in place until our withdrawal. WTF? Trump didn't negotiate that?
So the upshot is that trump's useless negotiating skills let the Taliban take over the entire country without having to fire a shot (relatively speaking). What kind of lame negotiator allows that?
By the way, do you have a source for your "Now 10,000 to 15,000 Americans will lose their lives" statement?
Elvis 2008
08-20-21, 02:37
Could you make it easier for me douche to understand why you can't turn off the TV on your own?Because she had the remote. LOLOLOL.
Elvis 2008
08-20-21, 02:43
Get rid of him based on what evidence Clinton had as president?His own fucking words.
The CIA, FBI and other intel agencies did not determine Bin Laden was (likely) responsible for the October 2000 USS Cole attack until June of 2001.One thing about being a Democratic is you make up the fact that all scientists and intelligence communities agree with you on every point.
It has been 8 months since Biden took office. When Trump reduced troops to 2500 why didn't Taliban take Kabul then? It seems like they waited for a weak president to put his plan in to attack. Biden had 8 months to figure it out but Biden didn't have a plan. He just assumed Taliban would cooperate. He should have been smart enough to get all the Americans out at least before he reduced troops further but he didn't. He should have listened to his military advisors telling him that he was moving to fast. But in his defense he didn't remember these discussions because he is senile. This catastrophe is totally Biden. You can't blame Trump or anyone else. Now 10,000 to 15,000 Americans will lose their lives. The whole world know Biden screwed up and it is an embarrassment to the USA.Trump assumed his BEGotiations with the Taliban would have them taking over within 48 hours of his scheduled May withdrawal. The fact that Biden managed to keep them at bay for an additional 3 months for those on our side to get their shit together (squandered by many) is a stark contrast in Trump weakness vs Biden strength:
Watch the video from FUX News Channel here:
Former Natl. Sec. Dir. John Ratcliffe said that Trump knew that the Afghan military would fall to the Taliban within 48 hours but negotiated a deal to pull U.S. troops out of the country anyway.
https://crooksandliars.com/2021/08/john-ratcliffe-taliban-trump
Under the original conditions that the Trump administration negotiated with the Taliban, U.S. forces would have withdrawn from Afghanistan in May. President Joe Biden extended that exit until August.
Two roast beef sandwiches and a piece of pie, four deviled eggs (all homemade), and two cartons of milk. Home ownership, strong unions, stat ay home wives, flourishing GI bill, mind blowing golden age of cimena, and that was the 50's, Ike. We also saw the inauguration of Civil Rights in highly courageous films like Giant, iconic and immortal. Look it up. The era was so good that it took a pale flunkie, Nixon with awful TV debate performances to thwart an essential third term by a hair, something that is most hard to do.
Afghanistan? Well, there's a principle few politicians understand. If you have an angry pitt bull by the ears, don't let go. It will be a black mark on the Biden legacy that conservatives will harp on to try and get back in power. There's already been positives. More positives and negatives are to come. Opponents will minimize or dismiss the former, while howling about that latter. That's politics.
That said hopefully we call all agree that two roast beef sandwiches, deviled eggs, pegan pie and fresh milk sound very good, and all for a hard working man. Wink.GIANT, as was the case with most of the best movies of the great 1950's era of movies, was directed by a Liberal. I only mention that beacuse it helped to bring a touch of humanity to their art and craft rarely matched in the past few decades. In that case it was George Stevens. He won the Best Director Oscar for it. Good movie. But among the 5 nominees for Best Picture, AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS was really the best overall production in the group and deserved the Oscar for it.
However, the greatest movie of that year was not nominated for a Best Picture or Best Director Oscar and, coincidentally, is more pertinent to today's American Politics than ever; John Ford's masterpiece western, THE SEARCHERS.
Nah. It's just that free media don't spare those who fuck up. Dems, reps, Cuomo, Biden, Trump, doesn't matter. They report.
... Of course. The only reason anyone might be misled into thinking mainstream media like CNN and any other real news sources over the decades is "liberal" or on the side if the Dems is because the bad news they had to report for the past 100 years, particularly regarding the economy, is so astonishingly consistently due to "conservative" or Repub policies, agenda and decisions and virtually never from those of the Dems.
The media has had no choice in the matter. Not real news sources, that is. On the other hand, FUX News Channel was created to slant the news toward Repubs, twist it and lie about it to do so.
Meanwhile, mainstream media will always propose false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" in order to denigrate consistent Dem economic expansion and growth while elevating consistent Repub economic gross under performance, Crashes and disasters and thereby aid the election of Repubs over Dems because bad news on that issue attracts more eyes and ears to their corporate employers' product.
GIANT, as was the case with most of the best movies of the great 1950's era of movies, was directed by a Liberal. I only mention that beacuse it helped to bring a touch of humanity to their art and craft rarely matched in the past few decades. In that case it was George Stevens. He won the Best Director Oscar for it. Good movie. But among the 5 nominees for Best Picture, AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS was really the best overall production in the group and deserved the Oscar for it.
However, the greatest movie of that year was not nominated for a Best Picture or Best Director Oscar and, coincidentally, is more pertinent to today's American Politics than ever; John Ford's masterpiece western, THE SEARCHERS.Gentlemen I do not care what your political slant is, you want to see Giant if you haven't already. It's American creativity at it's pinnacle. I recommend springing for the blu-ray, quality wise will beat any online stream. It's not only an amazing movie with Rock Hudson, Liz Taylor, and James Dean at their best, it's a microcosm into America, who we are as a people, warts, growing pains, and all.
The sad part is that Jimmy never saw the finished product. He used the funds he made from the film to buy the Porche he died in. He outdid his Rebel Without a Cause performance, no small feat.
Nah. It's just that free media don't spare those who fuck up. Dems, reps, Cuomo, Biden, Trump, doesn't matter. They report.These are genuine news sources, the big three, and even CNN with a left center slant. They rake Dems over the coals all the time when they have it coming, and so do I. Fox, OANN, News Max, etc. Though are tabloid. It's the new era of true "fake news," the Rush Limbaugh Show masquerading as a news network, and that's being generous.
I forgot about the cars, oh my oh my. The Chrysler Corp stuff wins the day in the US in my opinion, though this is surely debatable. Go in Google, are many breathtaking photos. Oh shit, and your average Joe could own these beauties.
Republicans want to produce oil and gas domestically but the democrats including Biden wants to get our oil from Russia and OPEC which are against the USA. You support this.
Most of the solar panels are made in China. Most of the lithium for batteries for electric cars and electric storage is controlled by China. The democrats are obviously making China economy boom.
We are handing our economy and money to our adversaries. Smart move Biden.Do not tell me what I support. I clearly have said that electric cars will kill the corrupt oil economies. I don't care if they are foreign or US. The US has significant lithium resources there is no reason they should not be exploited. If you can exploit oil why can't you make a buck out of lithium. Many of the boron mining waste dumps have economic concentrations of lithium. Stop whining about China eating your lunch. If a fraction of the money spent on the military to ponce around the middle east, Asia and Europe then the US could easily match China in the areas of solar panels and batteries.
Who screwed the pooch in Afghanistan? The former guy, that's who! https://news.yahoo.com/only-trump-mike-pence-mike-091407562.html.
"Few people seem impressed with President Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan, a sooner-than-expected military-run airlift operation from Kabul's civilian airport. Biden says his options were limited by a February 2020 peace treaty former President Donald Trump's team signed with the Taliban in Doha requiring all USA Forces to exit Afghanistan by May 1.
Trump, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and former Vice President Mike Pence have all said this week that if Biden followed Trump's Doha agreement better, Afghanistan wouldn't be such a mess. But they can't quite agree on why that's true, and few other high-ranking Trump national security officials seem to agree with them.
Pompeo told Fox News Sunday "we would have demanded that the Taliban actually deliver on the conditions that we laid out in the agreement," including engaging "in meaningful power-sharing agreement" talks, "before we completed our requirement to fully withdraw. " ("The Taliban have not violated any of the written conditions of the four-page agreement signed in Doha," The New York Times notes.).
Pence argued in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that the Taliban only took over the country because Biden broke the Doha agreement by not withdrawing all USA Forces by Trump's May 1 deadline.
On the other hand, Trump's first national security adviser, H. R. McMaster, said Pompeo "signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban" and traced Afghanistan's collapse "back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. " Lisa Curtis, an Afghanistan expert on Trump's National Security Council, told The Associated Press "the Doha agreement was a very weak agreement" that gave the Taliban too much — including 5,000 released prisoners — and seriously weakened the Afghan government.
Trump's defense secretary during the Taliban negotiations, Mark Esper, told CNN Wednesday that Trump "undermined" his own deal by publicly pushing to withdraw all USA Troops even if the Taliban didn't live up to its side of the treaty. Christopher Miller, Esper's successor, told Defense One that Trump never planned to withdraw USA Troops and considered the treaty a "play" to get Afghanistan's president to negotiate a power-sharing deal with the Taliban.
"In many ways, this is an overdue conversation," Aaron Blake writes at The Washington Post. "Trump's negotiations with the Taliban weren't huge news outside foreign policy circles because the war wasn't front-of-mind at the time," mostly. Still, he said, "it's striking" that so many "people who served in high-ranking foreign policy roles in the Trump administration seem to recognize the rise of the Taliban isn't going to make Trump's decision look like a great idea."
These are genuine news sources, the big three, and even CNN with a left center slant. They rake Dems over the coals all the time when they have it coming, and so do I. Fox, OANN, News Max, etc. Though are tabloid. It's the new era of true "fake news," the Rush Limbaugh Show masquerading as a news network, and that's being generous.Here's a non-biased "source" to back you up: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-to-the-media-bias-chart/?fbclid=IwAR0xgUnmJOI4a109rGg9Q06d8_Aj5LiMw0I4WBWfmf4S2yly_6n8p-HHJAQ.
I suggest that everybody look at the chart then examine your own assumptions. Look at the "green box" at the top of the chart. Look at how these sources "lean". The vast majority of the "green box" portion of the chart are "centrist". They may lean a little bit one way or the other but none of them are rabidly partisan.
Then look at the remainder of the chart. From where on that chart do you get your news. If you get it from Fox (TV) or The Daily Kos, your news should be relegated to lining the bottom of your birdcage. If you get your news from a source or sources within the "green box", you news is likely valid.
Now, which of the sources did the former guy disparage? Which of those sources do his cult disparage? All of the cult members will now start childish name-calling.
Nobody could be as dumb and ignorant as the Biden admin appeared to be during this Afghanistan fiasco. It's obvious that the Biden admin simply didn't care. The only military "operations" Biden cares about are the US tax payer funded sex change operations for trannies in the US military due to one of the many worthless Biden executive orders. Other than that, he'd prefer to be hiding in his basement eating ice cream.
https://www.worldtribune.com/team-bidens-va-will-pay-for-transgender-veterans-sex-change-operations/
Biden's key advisors are on the same page as Biden.
It has been 8 months since Biden took office. When Trump reduced troops to 2500 why didn't Taliban take Kabul then? It seems like they waited for a weak president to put his plan in to attack. Biden had 8 months to figure it out but Biden didn't have a plan. He just assumed Taliban would cooperate. He should have been smart enough to get all the Americans out at least before he reduced troops further but he didn't. He should have listened to his military advisors telling him that he was moving to fast. But in his defense he didn't remember these discussions because he is senile. This catastrophe is totally Biden. You can't blame Trump or anyone else.Indeed. The Taliban didn't dare make a move during Trump's drawdown, because they feared and respected him. Once he was fraudulently removed the Taliban sensed weakness, and watching Biden falling down stairs, failing to finish sentences and wandering around lost and senile must have strengthened their certainty. And indeed they were correct: Biden was too weak and disorganized to stop them taking the country in a week, in the worst humiliation in American history.
Imagine just flying the troops out on zero notice in the middle of the night, without even telling your allies in the Afghan army or the British stationed in the country. It is basic common sense that you coordinate with allies and get your civilians and vital assets out before the soldiers. The sheer idiotic incompetence is breathtaking. Even the sycophants in the fake news media can't cover for him as they did with his corruption, collapsing on the stairs, senility, election-rigging etc.
Republicans want to produce oil and gas domestically but the democrats including Biden wants to get our oil from Russia and OPEC which are against the USA. You support this.
Most of the solar panels are made in China. Most of the lithium for batteries for electric cars and electric storage is controlled by China. The democrats are obviously making China economy boom.
We are handing our economy and money to our adversaries. Smart move Biden.Excellent post. Biden has crippled US energy production by blocking the Keystone pipeline, while simultaneously giving Russia a massive boost by approving the pipeline from Russia to Europe, which will enable Russia to turn out Germany's lights. Kremlin Joe. Maybe we should be checking through Hunter's laptop for kickbacks from Russia on top of the ones we've already found from Ukraine and China.
Another point about lithium: guess where one of the world's biggest deposits of lithium is? Afghanistan! So Biden has now also surrendered that to China, who are making a mining deal with the Taliban right now. So all those electric car batteries the communist green enviro-wackos demand we use will come from China, giving the CCP yet another advantage over us. Great job, Sleepy Joe!
The only military "operations" Biden cares about are the US tax payer funded sex change operations for trannies in the US military Ha! Brilliant.
SouthEaster
08-21-21, 00:04
You are of course talking about native Indians right? Or do you mean nut job white folks who are almost all themselves born to immigrant ancestors?
After several months of lies pushing a false narrative, the FBI has now admitted that there was no coordinated, organized plot to overturn the election on January 6.
https://ricochet.com/1030850/capitol-breach-fbi-has-no-evidence-of-an-insurrection/
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/
In fact, any coordination that existed was done by FBI agents / informants, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the charging documents (of protesters charged with the terrible crime of "trespassing" Any criminal case on this basis would be forced to reveal the identities of these people. They cannot do that, so they dropped the whole thing.
Another fake news narrative proved false, following on from Trump-Russia, Fentanyl Floyd, covid lockdown hysteria, and many more.
Meanwhile actual news, such as the Hunter Biden laptop detailing both his own crimes (drug abuse, falsely filling out a firearm application, disposing of a firearm in a garbage can) and wider corruption among the Biden crime family (bribes and no-work jobs for Hunter; "10% for The Big Guy") is suppressed.
Nobody could be as dumb and ignorant as the Biden admin appeared to be during this Afghanistan fiasco. It's obvious that the Biden admin simply didn't care. The only military "operations" Biden cares about are the US tax payer funded sex change operations for trannies in the US military due to one of the many worthless Biden executive orders. Other than that, he'd prefer to be hiding in his basement eating ice cream.
https://www.worldtribune.com/team-bidens-va-will-pay-for-transgender-veterans-sex-change-operations/
Biden's key advisors are on the same page as Biden.Please tell me that you didn't use the World Tribune as a source. I have always suspected that you've lost it, but the World Tribune makes "Pravda" look good. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-tribune/.
I forgot about the cars, oh my oh my. The Chrysler Corp stuff wins the day in the US in my opinion, though this is surely debatable. Go in Google, are many breathtaking photos. Oh shit, and your average Joe could own these beauties.Sure, even during a Repub presidency that produced and presided over 3 Recessions and one of the worst jobs creation records in 100 years, an average Joe had a shot at keeping up his car payments while eating 2 or 3 roast beef sandwiches a day as long as the Dems prior to that Repub presidency shouldered all the heavy lifting and assumed all the political risk establishing Unemployment Insurance Benefits and Social Security to carry him and his parents through a typically atrocious Repub economy and into the next historic Dem economic expansion and jobs creation presidency.
That's probably why the AFL-CIO, UAW and all the other big blue collar worker Unions endorsed JFK and not Eisenhower's VP.
After several months of lies pushing a false narrative, the FBI has now admitted that there was no coordinated, organized plot to overturn the election on January 6.
https://ricochet.com/1030850/capitol-breach-fbi-has-no-evidence-of-an-insurrection/
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/
In fact, any coordination that existed was done by FBI agents / informants, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the charging documents (of protesters charged with the terrible crime of "trespassing" Any criminal case on this basis would be forced to reveal the identities of these people. They cannot do that, so they dropped the whole thing.
Another fake news narrative proved false, following on from Trump-Russia, Fentanyl Floyd, covid lockdown hysteria, and many more.
Meanwhile actual news, such as the Hunter Biden laptop detailing both his own crimes (drug abuse, falsely filling out a firearm application, disposing of a firearm in a garbage can) and wider corruption among the Biden crime family (bribes and no-work jobs for Hunter; "10% for The Big Guy") is suppressed.So it was really all due to Trump's 4-5 years of America-hating rallies and the culmination of his incitement of Anti-American democracy violence, sedition and insurrection, and no other influence on that murderous, cop-attacking and killing Repub Trumpster mob.
That's totally plausible.
Why would you think that FBI conclusion would get Trump and the murderous, America-hating mob he incited off the hook for anything?
This is a surprise to no one:
Former Pence aide says Trump and Stephen Miller fought against taking Afghan refugees with racist hysteria.
Olivia Troye slammed previous administrations failure to help allies who were lifelines in Afghanistan
Aug. 20,2021.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-visas-afghan-refugees-troye-b1906190.html
A former White House Homeland Security official has accused the Trump administration of deliberately obstructing visa processing for US allies in Afghanistan.
In a series of posts on Twitter, Olivia Troye, who served as an aide to former Vice President Mike Pence, eviscerated the previous administrations actions, which she said were steeped in racism.
There were cabinet mtgs about this during the Trump Admin where Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq and Afghanistan she wrote, adding that Mr Miller a senior aide and speechwriter for Donald Trump would undermine anyone who was trying to resolve the Special Immigrants Visa issue.
Ms Troye went on to say that while Mr Pence was fully aware of the problem, it was impossible to make progress because Mr Trump and Mr Miller had watchdogs in place at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, State and security agencies to make the process even more difficult.
According to Ms Troye, the Pentagon weighed in, and there were memos sent from General James Mattis and others attempting to expedite the visas, but to no avail.
Here's a non-biased "source" to back you up: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-to-the-media-bias-chart/?fbclid=IwAR0xgUnmJOI4a109rGg9Q06d8_Aj5LiMw0I4WBWfmf4S2yly_6n8p-HHJAQ.
I suggest that everybody look at the chart then examine your own assumptions. Look at the "green box" at the top of the chart. Look at how these sources "lean". The vast majority of the "green box" portion of the chart are "centrist". They may lean a little bit one way or the other but none of them are rabidly partisan.
Then look at the remainder of the chart. From where on that chart do you get your news. If you get it from Fox (TV) or The Daily Kos, your news should be relegated to lining the bottom of your birdcage. If you get your news from a source or sources within the "green box", you news is likely valid.
Now, which of the sources did the former guy disparage? Which of those sources do his cult disparage? All of the cult members will now start childish name-calling.I'm not sure about that infographics. AP might be indeed a reliable source -- but only when it's not fighting for the Palestinian cause. And I don't know much about Al Jazeera, but don't they refer to Islamic terrorists as martyrs?
OK, let's forget about Israel and the Middle East, but they put Sputnik -- a Kremlin propaganda mouthpiece on the same line as CNN. Murdoch's Fox and NY Post, plus Washington Examiner are somehow above MSNBC (come on, really?). MSNBC, somehow, is found on the same level as another Putin's pet RT, conspiracy monger Zero Hedge and Washington Times.
Nah, something's not right.
You are of course talking about native Indians right? Or do you mean nut job white folks who are almost all themselves born to immigrant ancestors?The people who were here at the founding of the nation and the years afterward who built it from nothing into the world's greatest nation. Long before the age of government gibsmedats and the fraudulent 1965 Immigration Bill when it became a welfare magnet for half the world's shithole grifters.
Nobody could be as dumb and ignorant as the Biden admin appeared to be during this Afghanistan fiasco. It's obvious that the Biden admin simply didn't care. The only military "operations" Biden cares about are the US tax payer funded sex change operations for trannies in the US military due to one of the many worthless Biden executive orders. Other than that, he'd prefer to be hiding in his basement eating ice cream.
https://www.worldtribune.com/team-bidens-va-will-pay-for-transgender-veterans-sex-change-operations/
Biden's key advisors are on the same page as Biden.Care about what? There is nothing in Afghanistan worth caring about. You only care because it is another chapter in the long list of the US military cost ridiculous amounts of money to not achieve much. What have been the military successes since WW2? Grenada? Panama? The only thing the military is really good at is bilking the public for money.
Houston Player
08-21-21, 11:14
I'm not sure about that infographics. AP might be indeed a reliable source -- but only when it's not fighting for the Palestinian cause. And I don't know much about Al Jazeera, but don't they refer to Islamic terrorists as martyrs?
OK, let's forget about Israel and the Middle East, but they put Sputnik -- a Kremlin propaganda mouthpiece on the same line as CNN. Murdoch's Fox and NY Post, plus Washington Examiner are somehow above MSNBC (come on, really?). MSNBC, somehow, is found on the same level as another Putin's pet RT, conspiracy monger Zero Hedge and Washington Times.
Nah, something's not right.Link from original quote: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-to-the-media-bias-chart/?fbclid=IwAR0xgUnmJOI4a109rGg9Q06d8_Aj5LiMw0I4WBWfmf4S2yly_6n8p-HHJAQ.
The only sources from that chart that I use are BBC and Bloomberg, occasionally Forbes but only if another source pointed me there. Any links from the other sources I never click on. I will sometimes but seldom watch an MSNBC investment show but never a news or opinion show.
GQP QAnon and Illuminati conspiracy theories is the "new improved GOP".
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/matthew-taylor-coleman-charged-killing-kids-qanon-conspiracy_n_61151690e4b07b9118a80f84
QAnon, nut job, Matthew Taylor Coleman, 40, kills his two kids, according to federal officials he confesses, "they were going to grow into monsters so he had to kill them."
Houston Player
08-21-21, 11:39
This is a surprise to no one:
Former Pence aide says Trump and Stephen Miller fought against taking Afghan refugees with racist hysteria.
Olivia Troye slammed previous administrations failure to help allies who were lifelines in Afghanistan
Aug. 20,2021.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-visas-afghan-refugees-troye-b1906190.htmlTooms, you should stop blaming prior administrations for what is currently happening today. Even if prior administrations were at fault, are to blame, they created the problem or inherited the problem but didn't resolve it. Everything that happens going forward is the responsibility of the current administration. They will be judged on how they handle solving these problems or making things worse. The pandemic, vaccine decisions and distribution, immigration, the economy, infrastructure bill, social programs and the rest of the budget and many others some new issues. What this administration is doing is what we should be discussing.
The majority agrees that withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan is the right thing to do, however the execution was entirely fucked up. You don't withdraw the soldiers before evacuating the citizens. Then saying oh shit we forget something and have to send more than double the troops that you withdrew in order to do what should have been done in the first place before whithdrawing the troops. This isn't over they still have an opportunity for this to end well by doing what's needed to finish the job. So we shouldn't pass final judgement yet. But if you can't admit that the way the administration executed the withdrawal then you're just a partisan left wing hack that has no credibility.
Tooms, you should stop blaming prior administrations for what is currently happening today. Even if prior administrations were at fault, are to blame, they created the problem or inherited the problem but didn't resolve it. Everything that happens going forward is the responsibility of the current administration. They will be judged on how they handle solving these problems or making things worse. The pandemic, vaccine decisions and distribution, immigration, the economy, infrastructure bill, social programs and the rest of the budget and many others some new issues. What this administration is doing is what we should be discussing.
The majority agrees that withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan is the right thing to do, however the execution was entirely fucked up. You don't withdraw the soldiers before evacuating the citizens. Then saying oh shit we forget something and have to send more than double the troops that you withdrew in order to do what should have been done in the first place before whithdrawing the troops. This isn't over they still have an opportunity for this to end well by doing what's needed to finish the job. So we shouldn't pass final judgement yet. But if you can't admit that the way the administration executed the withdrawal then you're just a partisan left wing hack that has no credibility.Yes, Trump reduced the troop level to that dangerous, unworkable level 5 days before he should have been engaging in a peaceful transition of power to the incoming administration and further fucked up our ability to withdraw from Afghanistan, putting Biden in the position of either having too few boots on the ground to do it or sending thousands more troops in, which he did, giving every war mongering hawk the hope that we'll stay there another 10 years and Trillion dollars because, you know, "victory is right around the corner."
HP, if you're going to insist we ignore the colossal fuck ups of the one side that produces nothing but colossal fuck ups on the economy and national security in some misguided attempt to come off looking fair, balanced, insightful and nuanced, you might as well own up to simply wanting that side to win every close election by hook or by crook so we can have nothing but colossal fuck ups far into the future. That's what an insistence on false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" where none exists produces; election wins for the side that creates colossal fuck ups whenever they are given the chance.
At this point we have eye witness and documented evidence of Trump and his administration purposely laying the groundwork for this event being a colossal fuck up, which is why I posted that report, and zero evidence that was the way Biden and his administration approached it. If you have a report on Biden's intentions regarding the visas and withdrawal that matches the one I posted about Trump and his Team, by all means post it and I will reconsider laying so much blame for this on one side. If you can't, then I guess there is no reason to "spread the blame around" or to focus unrealistically on honest and possibly unavoidable mistakes.
And, no, I am not going to consider posting a photo of a transgender next to a photo of Biden to be a persuasive "Bothsider" argument about this event. Lol. But you apparently saw nothing "partisan hacky with no credibility" about that post.
If anything, it is not nearly the fuck up Team Trump wanted it to be thanks to Biden. You think this was a fiasco under Biden? There is no way it wouldn't have been 1000 times worse if Trump's QAnon loons had actually attended a "reinstatement" inauguration of Traitor Trump on Friday the 13th and he was the lord and savior running the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Houston Player
08-21-21, 14:43
Yes, Trump reduced the troop level to that dangerous, unworkable level 5 days before he should have been engaging in a peaceful transition of power to the incoming administration and further fucked up our ability to withdraw from Afghanistan, putting Biden in the position of either having too few boots on the ground to do it or sending thousands more troops in, which he did, giving every war mongering hawk the hope that we'll stay there another 10 years and Trillion dollars because, you know, "victory is right around the corner."
HP, if you're going to insist we ignore the colossal fuck ups of the one side that produces nothing but colossal fuck ups economically and in terms of national security in some misguided attempt to come off looking fair, balanced, insightful and nuanced, you might as well own up to simply wanting that side to win every close election by hook or by crook so we can have nothing but colossal fuck ups far into the future. That's what an insistence on false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" produces; election wins for the side that produces colossal fuck ups whenever they are given the chance.
At this point we have eye witness and documented evidence of Trump and his administration purposely laying the groundwork for this event being a colossal fuck up, which is why I posted that report, and zero evidence that was the way Biden and his administration approached it. If you have a report on Biden's intentions regarding the visas and withdrawal that matches the one I posted about Trump and his Team, by all means post it and I will reconsider laying so much blame for this on one side. If you can't, then I guess there is no reason to "spread the blame around" or to focus unrealistically on honest and possibly unavoidable mistakes.
If anything, it is not nearly the fuck up Team Trump wanted it to be thanks to Biden. You think this was a fiasco under Biden? There is no way it wouldn't have been 1000 times worse if Trump's QAnon loons had actually attended a "reinstatement" inauguration of Traitor Trump on Friday the 13th and he was the lord and savior running the withdrawal from Afghanistan.You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. The only thing that matters now is the current administration for the next 3 years and 4 months. I live in Thailand so I don't give a shit who is in power or what happens on a day to day basis in the USA. All I care about is the stock market and my other investments in America. If those stay protected and grow I'll vote for the current administration again. So if all your claims about the great economy under Democratic leadership is true I'll vote for democrats. When I lived and owned a small business in America I did normally vote mostly Republican because I was more aligned with their agenda. I didn't always vote Republican and I didn't vote for Trump, but living in Texas my vote didn't really matter much on National races as the state voted Republican for as long as I can remember.
I'm not sure about that infographics. AP might be indeed a reliable source -- but only when it's not fighting for the Palestinian cause. And I don't know much about Al Jazeera, but don't they refer to Islamic terrorists as martyrs?
OK, let's forget about Israel and the Middle East, but they put Sputnik -- a Kremlin propaganda mouthpiece on the same line as CNN. Murdoch's Fox and NY Post, plus Washington Examiner are somehow above MSNBC (come on, really?). MSNBC, somehow, is found on the same level as another Putin's pet RT, conspiracy monger Zero Hedge and Washington Times.
Nah, something's not right.If you have a problem with how they rated a source, then look at why they rated it the way they did. They tell you exactly which articles they used, how they rated them and give you the ability to click on the same article and read it for yourself.
But rating specific sources wasn't the intent of my post in the first place. What I intended was to get people to look at where they get their news from, the relative reliability of that source and what bias that source has. If someone gets all of their news from the National Review (and sources like it) and feels like those sources report a "centrist" view, that person is seriously mistaken.
You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. The only thing that matters now is the current administration for the next 3 years and 4 months. I live in Thailand so I don't give a shit who is in power or what happens on a day to day basis in the USA. All I care about is the stock market and my other investments in America. If those stay protected and grow I'll vote for the current administration again. So if all your claims about the great economy under Democratic leadership is true I'll vote for democrats. When I lived and owned a small business in America I did normally vote mostly Republican because I was more aligned with their agenda. I didn't always vote Republican and I didn't vote for Trump, but living in Texas my vote didn't really matter much on National races as the state voted Republican for as long as I can remember.Well, then this ought to hearten you about Biden:
We're having the best Bull Market Rally under Biden since FDR.
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/01/992167670/biden-wants-to-go-tough-on-wall-street-the-response-the-best-rally-since-fdr
That report was in May. The USA Stock market has continued to climb since then.
Now, if you'd prefer another Bear Market Crash or two along with a perpetual anti-science lunatic-produced virus variant to cripple worldwide economies and international travel for the foreseeable future, our elections are so close a few more false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" assertions about Dems vs Repubs here, there, in the media, the social networks, online, anywhere might do the trick in putting QAnon Repubs in office in California, other states, the House, the Senate and the White House who are exactly the ones to do it.
Florida's Ron DeSantis would be perfect for that goal. Or maybe Trump will run again after State Repubs rig the system and the vote counts so he knows he can't possibly lose again. Either way, any Repub who enters on those terms will be a QAnon Repub Trump Wannabe so-called potus. And they will produce another colossal fuck up of whatever they touch.
After several months of lies pushing a false narrative, the FBI has now admitted that there was no coordinated, organized plot to overturn the election on January 6.
https://ricochet.com/1030850/capitol-breach-fbi-has-no-evidence-of-an-insurrection/
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/
In fact, any coordination that existed was done by FBI agents / informants, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the charging documents (of protesters charged with the terrible crime of "trespassing" Any criminal case on this basis would be forced to reveal the identities of these people. They cannot do that, so they dropped the whole thing.
Another fake news narrative proved false, following on from Trump-Russia, Fentanyl Floyd, covid lockdown hysteria, and many more.
Meanwhile actual news, such as the Hunter Biden laptop detailing both his own crimes (drug abuse, falsely filling out a firearm application, disposing of a firearm in a garbage can) and wider corruption among the Biden crime family (bribes and no-work jobs for Hunter; "10% for The Big Guy") is suppressed.The FBI report said the former guy and his merry-misfit-morons didn't "plan" the riot in advance. What it did not say was that no pre-planning by anybody else took place. It also did not say that the rioters didn't understand the former guy's code words. After all, virtually every rioter that has been before a judge has used so form of "trump invited us" or "trump told us what to do".
Was there pre-planning? Abso-freakin-lutely. https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-memo-capitol-attackers-plotted-in-advance.
And please stop with the rightwingnut "unindicted co-conspirator" cockamamie nonsense. Law enforcement agencies do this all the time. Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa / Democrats / other groups you hate?
You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. The only thing that matters now is the current administration for the next 3 years and 4 months. I live in Thailand so I don't give a shit who is in power or what happens on a day to day basis in the USA. All I care about is the stock market and my other investments in America. If those stay protected and grow I'll vote for the current administration again. So if all your claims about the great economy under Democratic leadership is true I'll vote for democrats. When I lived and owned a small business in America I did normally vote mostly Republican because I was more aligned with their agenda. I didn't always vote Republican and I didn't vote for Trump, but living in Texas my vote didn't really matter much on National races as the state voted Republican for as long as I can remember.These people have Trump Derangement Syndrome. He is in their head 24/7. They can't sleep for thinking about him, their hatred burning as they toss and turn.
As for investments, shutting down the economy for years and printing trillions of dollars of funny money might not be the best way to run an economy.
Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa?This is the problem. BLM / antifa are permitted to burn, loot and destroy cities, causing billions of dollars of damage, attacking federal buildings and trying to burn down police precincts with people inside, and they face no consequences.
Leftwing democrat shithole city mayors refuse to allow the local cops to enforce the law; and on the rare occasion one of them does get arrested, they get sprung on bail immediately and then the far-left Soros-funded democrat the drops all charges.
Compare that to the 6 months and counting of cruel and unusual punishment in solitary confinement for people who committed no acts of violence, didn't burn, loot or attack anyone, but simply trespassed through an open door.
Antifa in particular is a well-funded, well-organised violent domestic terror group which operates across various states, but the FBI and other Washington swamp intelligence agencies refuse to do anything about it and its attacks. Instead, they create fake "plots" such as the Whitmer kidnap hoax, in which the majority of organizers who pushed the plan were feds.
Democrat shithole city cops and the FBI are both massively biased. The only hope that conserative heritage Americans have is to move to a red area of a red state, where the local sheriff is elected and therefore sane. Otherwise the mob will get to you eventually.
No wonder Harris wants to centralise control of all police in a federal system reporting to her. The day that that happens is the day American freedom dies. Conservative patriots must not allow it.
Well, then this ought to hearten you about Biden:
We're having the best Bull Market Rally under Biden since FDR.
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/01/992167670/biden-wants-to-go-tough-on-wall-street-the-response-the-best-rally-since-fdr
That report was in May. The USA Stock market has continued to climb since then.
Now, if you'd prefer another Bear Market Crash or two along with a perpetual anti-science lunatic-produced virus variant to cripple worldwide economies and international travel for the foreseeable future, our elections are so close a few more false equivalencies and "Bothsiderism" assertions about Dems vs Repubs here, there, in the media, the social networks, online, anywhere might do the trick in putting QAnon Repubs in office in California, other states, the House, the Senate and the White House who are exactly the ones to do it.
Florida's Ron DeSantis would be perfect for that goal. Or maybe Trump will run again after State Repubs rig the system and the vote counts so he knows he can't possibly lose again. Either way, any Repub who enters on those terms will be a QAnon Repub Trump Wannabe so-called potus. And they will produce another colossal fuck up of whatever they touch.This is just a collosal load of fallacious slippery slope, black and white Chicken Little horsehit. Trump exacerbated the pandemic, as he mimimized it for for his political asperations. But it was going to happen on a worldwide scale anyway. You do the leftward side, which is my side, no favors with these shrill gyrations, blaming him for the everything, that any halfway educated person can see through. And no Repulicans aren't to blame for all the recessions which you in your hysterics call "crashes. " That has been proven. Reasonable people just want the truth, which involves finding the strengths in all perspectives, and are tired off the partisan hyperbole. A Chicken Little like you is as much a part of the problem as the Trumpster Chicken Littles. Sad to say.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
You've got to get over Trump man he's gone. Right, if only it were true!
If you have a problem with how they rated a source, then look at why they rated it the way they did. They tell you exactly which articles they used, how they rated them and give you the ability to click on the same article and read it for yourself.
But rating specific sources wasn't the intent of my post in the first place. What I intended was to get people to look at where they get their news from, the relative reliability of that source and what bias that source has. If someone gets all of their news from the National Review (and sources like it) and feels like those sources report a "centrist" view, that person is seriously mistaken.I understand the purpose of that chart and MOSTLY agree with their distribution, but what possessed them to place hired guns like RT and Sputnik on the same level as CNN? And Fox above MSNBC? Of course, MSNBC is far from perfect, but they don't lie habitually like FOX. All I'm saying is that some items in that chart simply undermine their credibility.
The FBI report said the former guy and his merry-misfit-morons didn't "plan" the riot in advance. What it did not say was that no pre-planning by anybody else took place. It also did not say that the rioters didn't understand the former guy's code words. After all, virtually every rioter that has been before a judge has used so form of "trump invited us" or "trump told us what to do".
Was there pre-planning? Abso-freakin-lutely. https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-memo-capitol-attackers-plotted-in-advance.
And please stop with the rightwingnut "unindicted co-conspirator" cockamamie nonsense. Law enforcement agencies do this all the time. Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa / Democrats / other groups you hate?For the life of me, I don't get it how they can keep a straight face while parroting the party lime that Trump didn't incite the riot.
I mean, forget the legalities, but what could "fight like hell" have possibly meant? What else is it? Fight who? Fight how?
The Congress was certifying the election. The only way to fight it was to interrupt that certification.
Fight like hell or you won't have a country, he said.
How else could've they fought if not by stopping the certification? And how could've that been achieved other than by physically being there, inside?
Peaceful demonstration, my ass!
A peaceful demonstration wouldn't have had a chance to stop anything. The certification was in motion.
He said fight like hell, and they did, because fight like hell was exactly what he wanted.
Right, if only it were true!
...Trump has not lost one of those 74,000,000 loony Repub votes. Not even after his January 6 Traitor Trump Insurrection And Attempted Overthrow of American Democracy Violent Cop-Attacking MAGA Rally. If anything, because of it.
If State level Repubs succeed in twisting and rigging the system by 2024 if not by 2022 in a way that every Repub candidate will "win" every election no matter what the actual vote is then Trump will declare his candidacy for 2024.
If not, Trump will most certainly continue to be the lord, savior and king-maker for the Republican Party. EVERY Repub that runs for the office, maybe every office, MUST prove himself/herself as much of a "Trump" as Trump ever was if not worse or there is no chance they will win the nomination in a primary.
LOL. As far as getting over someone who is supposedly done and gone goes, Trump's loony cult followers are still chanting "LOCK HER UP!" at Trump's personal bank account fund-raising rallies. Lol.
These people have Trump Derangement Syndrome. He is in their head 24/7. They can't sleep for thinking about him, their hatred burning as they toss and turn.
As for investments, shutting down the economy for years and printing trillions of dollars of funny money might not be the best way to run an economy.As long as the former guy and the 74 million supporters of the former guy continue to lie and try to rewrite history, people will post facts that counter the lies. It is just that simple. And saying that the 82 million people who voted for Biden have trump derangement syndrome is ludicrous. Look up the definition of "cult" and then you might understand why we say you have TCS (trump cult syndrome).
On the economic front, I have two (2) easy questions for you. 1. Did the former guy say that the stock market would decline if Biden was elected? 2. Has it? If so, you and he don't know much about the economy.
And by the way, didn't the former guy say that we'd never from him again if he lost? Guess he lied about that, too.
Afghanistan was a war started over Muslims hijacking and flying airliners into NY skyscrapers. Trump and his administration are to be blamed for not letting Afghan Muslims climb into more airliners and fly to the USA? Can't imagine why they wouldn't want more Muslims in airliners flying to the USA. . . Think there is a saying that covers this. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Some people simply can't learn from experience.
In other news: Biden Demands Whoever The President Is Take Full Responsibility For This Mess.
Washington, DC. —In a forceful press conference today, Biden called for whoever the President is to "clean up this mess" in Afghanistan. Quote Listen folks, this is ridiculous! Unquote said President Biden. Who's running this country anyway? I demand accountability! The President must be held responsible for this debacle!
An aide attempted to whisper in his ear that he was the President, but Biden whirled around and punched the aide right in the nose in a flurry of righteous anger. How dare you sneak up on me while I'm holding the President to account! Said Biden. The White House press conference was then abruptly interrupted by the evening call to prayer. . .
This is a surprise to no one:
Former Pence aide says Trump and Stephen Miller fought against taking Afghan refugees with racist hysteria.
Olivia Troye slammed previous administrations failure to help allies who were lifelines in Afghanistan
Aug. 20,2021.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-visas-afghan-refugees-troye-b1906190.html
The FBI report said the former guy and his merry-misfit-morons didn't "plan" the riot in advance. What it did not say was that no pre-planning by anybody else took place. It also did not say that the rioters didn't understand the former guy's code words. After all, virtually every rioter that has been before a judge has used so form of "trump invited us" or "trump told us what to do".
Was there pre-planning? Abso-freakin-lutely. https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-memo-capitol-attackers-plotted-in-advance.
And please stop with the rightwingnut "unindicted co-conspirator" cockamamie nonsense. Law enforcement agencies do this all the time. Or do you only "back the blue" when they try to do the same thing against BLM / antifa / Democrats / other groups you hate?The FBI just said there was no plan. Just some guys who got whipped up into a frenzy by a bunch of federal agents / informants, and the Capitol police. Who were deliberately undermanned on the day, thanks to Pelosi's refusal to allow the requested reinforcements. Stepped aside and let them into the building.
They wandered around aimlessly, shouted a bit, took some selfies, and left.
Unlike in BLM / antifa riots, no fires were started; nothing was vandalised or looted; nobody was killed or injured except Ashli Babbitt.
As for your comment "law enforcement agencies do this all the time" regarding unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators: not in the biggest, most high profile case in decades. And it is not one or two, it is literally dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the heart of the small group that first entered the Capitol.
Who are the unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the groups who entered the Capitol? Were they working for or with federal or intelligence agencies at the time? The American people need to know, in such a high profile case.
Nobody is in jail on serious charges. The feds have announced that all the "conspiracy", "insurrection" bullshit is being dropped, because it would force them in discovery to identify which of the organisers were federal agents / informants. The answer: most of them.
Just like the "kidnap" case against Gretchen Whitmer aka the Grannyslayer: it turned out that *the majority* - yes, not one or two, but THE MAJORITY. Of the people involved in that so-called plot were federal agents / informers, including the ones who were pushing it the hardest.
The FBI, which is sadly now a part of the politicised Washington swamp (as we saw from the Strzok / McCabe / Comey fiasco), is scrambling desperately to cover up the fact that it and other intelligence agencies planned the whole Jan 6 charade via dozens of agents / informants who are the unindicted, unnamed co-conspirators. But it is failing to do so.
As I said, all the serious charges have now been dropped; the guys languishing in jail for months are on charges of trespass. Why would the feds scour the country in their biggest operation ever to grab guys on trespass charges, yet allow dozens more to get away scot free?
The only answer is that they can't indict or name those guys, or even proceed in cases against others which would involve those guys, because they were working for the feds. Entrapment much?
So they are forced to admit that there was no plan, no "insurrection", and yet again the fake news narrative collapses. Just as it did with the Trump / Russia Mueller farce, Fentanyl Floyd, the fake Whitmer plot, covid hysteria, and most everything else they report.
The Washington swamp working in conjunction with the very fake news. A truly repulsive spectacle. The sooner we are out of it one way or another, the better.
The FBI just said there was no plan. Just some guys who got whipped up into a frenzy by a bunch of federal agents / informants, and the Capitol police. Who were deliberately undermanned on the day, thanks to Pelosi's refusal to allow the requested reinforcements. Stepped aside and let them into the building.
They wandered around aimlessly, shouted a bit, took some selfies, and left.
Unlike in BLM / antifa riots, no fires were started; nothing was vandalised or looted; nobody was killed or injured except Ashli Babbitt.
As for your comment "law enforcement agencies do this all the time" regarding unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators: not in the biggest, most high profile case in decades. And it is not one or two, it is literally dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators in the heart of the small group that first entered the Capitol.
Who are the unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the groups who entered the Capitol? Were they working for or with federal or intelligence agencies at the time? The American people need to know, in such a high profile case.
Nobody is in jail on serious charges. The feds have announced that all the "conspiracy", "insurrection" bullshit is being dropped, because it would force them in discovery to identify which of the organisers were federal agents / informants. The answer: most of them..The January 6th insurrection wasn't a tourist visit, an aimless stroll or anything else.
Trumpers understand absolutely nothing about policing, especially under cover operations. You only understand policing when they are thumping the skulls of people you hate.
The only people who don't understand what I just wrote are looking at the world with their heads somewhere else.
Afghanistan was a war started over Muslims hijacking and flying airliners into NY skyscrapers. Trump and his administration are to be blamed for not letting Afghan Muslims climb into more airliners and fly to the USA? Can't imagine why they wouldn't want more Muslims in airliners flying to the USA. . . Think there is a saying that covers this. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Some people simply can't learn from experience.
In other news: Biden Demands Whoever The President Is Take Full Responsibility For This Mess.
Washington, DC. In a forceful press conference today, Biden called for whoever the President is to "clean up this mess" in Afghanistan. Quote Listen folks, this is ridiculous! Unquote said President Biden. Who's running this country anyway? I demand accountability! The President must be held responsible for this debacle!
An aide attempted to whisper in his ear that he was the President, but Biden whirled around and punched the aide right in the nose in a flurry of righteous anger. How dare you sneak up on me while I'm holding the President to account! Said Biden. The White House press conference was then abruptly interrupted by the evening call to prayer. . .Why not read the text of the former guy's "surrender agreement" with the Taliban. https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf.
Once you've read it, please point me to the section that forbade the Taliban from acquiring additional territory until after the Americans withdrew. Who knows, maybe I missed that part. Geez, even Neville Chamberlain negotiated better than that! https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/chamberlain-and-hitler/.
The simple facts are that trump got played by the Taliban.
Afghanistan was a war started over Muslims hijacking and flying airliners into NY skyscrapers. Trump and his administration are to be blamed for not letting Afghan Muslims climb into more airliners and fly to the USA? Interesting choice of words.
I thought the war started over Islamic terrorists directed by Osama Bin Laden to hijack and fly airliners into NY skyscrapers.
I had no idea that it was a religious crusade against Muslims. Thank you for enlightening me.
Now allow me to return the favor.
The 9/11 hijackers were from Sadi Arabia, Emirates and Egypt. There weren't a single "Afghan Muslim" among them. Most were Saudis.
If your idea of fighting Islamic fundamentalists is to ban Muslims from flying to the USA, you should start from Saudi Muslims and, well, best of luck!
Let us all know how it goes.
SouthEaster
08-22-21, 23:42
Tell me Chris, how much does it cost to attend the Kelly Ann Conway school of alternate facts?
Afghanistan was a war started over Muslims hijacking and flying airliners into NY skyscrapers. Trump and his administration are to be blamed for not letting Afghan Muslims climb into more airliners and fly to the USA? Can't imagine why they wouldn't want more Muslims in airliners flying to the USA. . . Think there is a saying that covers this. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Some people simply can't learn from experience.
In other news: Biden Demands Whoever The President Is Take Full Responsibility For This Mess.
Washington, DC. In a forceful press conference today, Biden called for whoever the President is to "clean up this mess" in Afghanistan. Quote Listen folks, this is ridiculous! Unquote said President Biden. Who's running this country anyway? I demand accountability! The President must be held responsible for this debacle!
An aide attempted to whisper in his ear that he was the President, but Biden whirled around and punched the aide right in the nose in a flurry of righteous anger. How dare you sneak up on me while I'm holding the President to account! Said Biden. The White House press conference was then abruptly interrupted by the evening call to prayer. . .The former guy left our entire immigration process, illegal and legal, and border control system gutted. Particularly with regard to refugees and asylum seekers and particularly regarding Muslims from Muslim countries. The backlog of requests, many no doubt legitimate, had skyrocketed to at least a million by January while most of the rats in the former guy's administration had long scurried off that sinking ship and there was no Peaceful Transition of Power in sight.
The violent Anti-America mob-leading deadbeat former guy left virtually everything in a sabotaged, scorched earth shambles that had to be rebuilt from the ground up.
And in the case of Afghans who worked for our side at a time of war whose visa requests from years prior had not even been looked at by the former guy's Team, now we know likely for ordinary racist reasons, those had to be vetted to make sure they really are on our side and not double agents putting in a few years and giving us false information all that time anyway. Which takes time and manpower, neither of which was applied to it by the former guy until the huge pile of crap the former guy produced and left behind was dumped at the feet of the incoming administration...while hundreds of thousands of our citizens were dying thanks to the cowardice and lies of the former guy and his middling economy at best was predictably crashing around our ears by then.
Let's just say ignoring what the former guy and his Team did to put us where we are and how many fires had to be put out by NO firefighters from his side for years much less at the transition is ridiculous.
This isn't like Reagan after Carter, Bush2 after Clinton or Trump after Obama where the incoming administration was sitting pretty for months coasting along on a path of Peace and Prosperity they inherited until they finally decided to stop riding ponies and playing golf and did something stupid to create their usual colossal Repub fuck ups.
The January 6th insurrection....You can blabber on all you want but the FBI just said categorically it was not an "insurrection". There was no plan to overthrow anything. Nobody is getting charged with such.
Now, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the Capitol breach? How many of them were working with / for the feds when they did so?
These are the questions that need to be answered. By announcing their stand-down from the fake insurrection narrative, the FBI is trying very hard to ensure that they will not be answered. They are attempting to avoid court cases in which discovery reveals that most of the organisers were feds.
That is what has already happened in the fake Gretchen Whitmer kidnap "plot", in which discovery revealed that the majority (yes, you read that right, the majority) of so-called "plotters" were in fact feds. Including the main organisers who were pushing the others. Clear entrapment, for political reasons.
At this point, given the Comey / McCabe / Strzok political scandals; the fake patsy attempts to frame rightwingers over Whitmer and Jan 6; the persecution of figures like Roger Stone and Paul Manafort while Crooked Hillary Clinton and the Podestas are allowed to skate for far worse crimes; and the complete failure to investigate the antifa organisation which has destroyed cities and caused billions of dollars of damage, the FBI must be considered nothing more than a part of the Washington deep state swamp, politicised beyond redemption.
Tell me Chris, how much does it costblablaHow many law enforcement officers or Congress members were killed or significantly injured on Jan 6?
How many fires were started in the Capitol?
How many firearms were found on protesters?
How many millions of dollars of damage was done?
How many governments were overthrown?
(I'll give you a clue: the answer to all the questions is the same number).
The insurrectionists are getting charged with what they are getting charged with. They are damed lucky that the feds don't give them the traitor's punishment.
Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that law enforcement officers cannot be "unindicted co-conspirators" in the insurrection. That's because, legally, "The elements of the crime of conspiracy include the specific intent to commit the target crime. The FBI informant or agent would not have that intent. " The last was a quote from a lawyer. He knows more than all of Fux "News" combined. And certainly more than you. https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jun/18/why-new-false-flag-conspiracy-theory-fbi-orchestra/.
See how easy it is to blow arguments out of the water?
And, the exact same rationale applies to your Whitmer argument. But there's more: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/07/14/what-gretchen-whitmer-kidnap-suspects-dont-want-jurors-hear/7954135002/.
How many law enforcement officers or Congress members were killed or significantly injured on Jan 6?
How many fires were started in the Capitol?
How many firearms were found on protesters?
How many millions of dollars of damage was done?
How many governments were overthrown?
(I'll give you a clue: the answer to all the questions is the same number)."How many law enforcement officers or Congress members were killed or significantly injured on Jan 6?"
About 100 LEO's. At least 4 by suicide. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/09/greg-kelly/newsmax-host-falsely-claims-only-one-person-died-c/ Quote from the previous article: "Two other law enforcement officers who were present at the Capitol have since died by suicide, and more than 100 officers were injured."
Why don't trumpers care about the LEOs? Evidently "back the blue" only occurs when police are thumping black skulls.
"How many millions of dollars of damage was done?"
Every competent lawyer in the world (which eliminates trump's merry-morons) knows that you never ask a question unless you know the answer. A cardinal rule that you forgot. The "innocent tourists" caused at least $30 million in damages.
But you'll of course blame both the source (because Fux "News said they caused no damage) and the accuracy of the Capitol Architect (because he's just an architect). https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/02/24/970977612/architect-of-the-capitol-outlines-30-million-in-damages-from-pro-trump-riot.
From the article above: "The cost of repairing damages from the attack on the USA Capitol and related security expenses have already topped $30 million and will keep rising, Architect of the Capitol J. Brett Blanton told lawmakers on Wednesday.
The events of Jan. 6, he said, were "difficult for the American people and extremely hard for all of us on campus to witness."
Blanton said that congressional appropriations committees have already approved a transfer request of $30 million to pay for expenses and extend a temporary perimeter fencing contract through March 31.
But more money will be needed, he added: "History teaches us that project costs for replacements and repairs beyond in-kind improvements across campus will be considerable and beyond the scope of the current budgetary environment."
The price tag will go even higher, Blanton told lawmakers on the House Appropriations Committee, if the fence and other security measures are needed beyond March.
In his prepared testimony, Blanton described how his employees tried to minimize the threat to the Capitol and lawmakers on Jan. 6, when thousands of former President Donald Trump's supporters breached security perimeters at the Capitol grounds. Many of them then engaged in a pitched battle with police and security personnel.
"{Architect of the Capitol} employees sheltered congressional staff in their shops to protect them from the roving mob," Blanton said, adding, "Other members of our team raced to the roof to reverse the airflows within the building to help clear the air of chemical irritants, like bear repellents and pepper spray, while more team members rushed bottles of water and eyewash stations to Capitol Police officers in need of assistance. ".
When the mob thronged the Capitol, the Architect of the Capitol's painters and artisans were laboring to complete the massive task of readying the campus to host a presidential inauguration.
"Over the course of a couple of hours, the hard work of our team was destroyed," Blanton said.
"The {inauguration} platform was wrecked. There was broken glass and other debris. Sound systems and photography equipment was damaged beyond repair or stolen. Two historic Olmsted lanterns were ripped from the ground, and the wet blue paint was tracked all over the historic stone balustrades and Capitol building hallways."
In the Capitol building complex, historical statues, murals and furniture were damaged, mainly from pepper spray accretions and residue from chemical irritants and fire extinguishers, requiring expert cleaning and conservation. Work crews covered gaping holes with plywood and cleared "a small mountain of debris left behind on the west and east fronts," Blanton said.
Blanton also said many lawmakers have asked his office about preserving mementos from the unprecedented violence wrought by USA Citizens on their own Capitol. While most damaged items had to be removed because of safety concerns, he said his staff preserved the panels of the historical Columbus Doors on the east front "for a potential presentation or display."
The brief insurrection brought catastrophe to what had already been a very busy tenure for Blanton, who was sworn in to his job in January 2020. Since then, the Capitol has hosted three lying-in-state or in-honor ceremonies, including for USA Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, who died after being injured in the riot.
The high-profile events have come as Blanton and his staff have worked to mitigate coronavirus risks through enhanced cleaning practices and providing protective equipment.
On Wednesday, Blanton said many people on his staff have not yet been vaccinated, despite continuing to work at the Capitol campus — work that has included the intense effort to repair damage from the riot and hold an inauguration.
"In fact, we've had a small distribution of COVID vaccines for my staff," Blanton said, replying to a question about the staff's health. He added that the group is following the safety protocols that were laid out when the coronavirus pandemic began last year.
Blanton also addressed the security failures that contributed to the USA Capitol being occupied by an angry mob that sought to block the certification of then-President-elect Joe Biden's victory over Trump.
"The events of January 6 were stark reminders that institutional biases, priorities and actions taken out of sync with actionable data resulted in poor decisions," he said. "If we do not learn from these mistakes, the campus will continue to remain vulnerable to unknown and unexpected threats."
Blanton also asked the committee for help in securing additional funds for a campuswide security assessment to prevent similar events in the future and to protect the Capitol and the people who work there."
But keep on believing in fairy tales. It suits you.
You can blabber on all you want but the FBI just said categorically it was not an "insurrection". There was no plan to overthrow anything. Nobody is getting charged with such.
Now, who are the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators? What was their role in organizing the Capitol breach? How many of them were working with / for the feds when they did so?
These are the questions that need to be answered. By announcing their stand-down from the fake insurrection narrative, the FBI is trying very hard to ensure that they will not be answered. They are attempting to avoid court cases in which discovery reveals that most of the organisers were feds.
That is what has already happened in the fake Gretchen Whitmer kidnap "plot", in which discovery revealed that the majority (yes, you read that right, the majority) of so-called "plotters" were in fact feds. Including the main organisers who were pushing the others. Clear entrapment, for political reasons.
At this point, given the Comey / McCabe / Strzok political scandals; the fake patsy attempts to frame rightwingers over Whitmer and Jan 6; the persecution of figures like Roger Stone and Paul Manafort while Crooked Hillary Clinton and the Podestas are allowed to skate for far worse crimes; and the complete failure to investigate the antifa organisation which has destroyed cities and caused billions of dollars of damage, the FBI must be considered nothing more than a part of the Washington deep state swamp, politicised beyond redemption.The insurrectionists are getting charged with what they are getting charged with. They are damed lucky that the feds don't give them the traitor's punishment.
Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that law enforcement officers cannot be "unindicted co-conspirators" in the insurrection. That's because, legally, "The elements of the crime of conspiracy include the specific intent to commit the target crime. The FBI informant or agent would not have that intent. " The last was a quote from a lawyer. He knows more than all of Fux "News" combined. And certainly more than you. https://www.politifact.com/article/2...fbi-orchestra/..
See how easy it is to blow arguments out of the water?
And, the exact same rationale applies to your Whitmer argument. But there's more: https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ar/7954135002/..
Interesting choice of words.
I thought the war started over Islamic terrorists directed by Osama Bin Laden to hijack and fly airliners into NY skyscrapers.
I had no idea that it was a religious crusade against Muslims. Thank you for enlightening me.
Now allow me to return the favor.
The 9/11 hijackers were from Sadi Arabia, Emirates and Egypt. There weren't a single "Afghan Muslim" among them. Most were Saudis.
If your idea of fighting Islamic fundamentalists is to ban Muslims from flying to the USA, you should start from Saudi Muslims and, well, best of luck!
Let us all know how it goes.Its amazing all these warmongers who talk incessantly about Iran and terrorists etc ignore the fact that it was Saudis that financed and orchestrated and mostly participated in 911, it is Saudis that predominately fund ISIS and Al Queda, it is Saudis who funded Saddam until he lost the war, it is Saudis who fund the extremist IMAMs who preach and recruit terrorists. Yet the US sanctions, invades, and harasses every Muslim nation except Saudi and her allies.
"How many law enforcement officers or Congress members were killed or significantly injured on Jan 6?"
About 100 LEO's. At least 4 by suicide.What? You've really gone off your rocker now. No LEO was killed or significantly injured. If someone killed himself a few days afterward, perhaps it was because he couldn't live with being part of the fake news Washington swamp fraudulent narrative against the American people.
As for your $30 m "damage costs" for a couple of broken windows and someone trailing paint across the floor? Haha! That's right, he actually mentioned someone trailing paint across the floor. LOL.
If you're wondering what a real attack on the Capitol looks like, it is in fact the 50th anniversary of the Weather Underground's bombing of the building. Yes, a violent communist terrorist group actually set off a bomb in the Capitol.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/28/when-the-left-attacked-the-capitol-471270
Oh, and then 12 years later, another violent communist terrorist group did the same thing:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1980s-far-left-female-led-domestic-terrorism-group-bombed-us-capitol-180973904/
Isn't it incredible that far-left terrorists literally exploded bombs in the Capitol twice within the last 50 years but these acts have been memoryholed and are never mentioned by the media?
And yet they can't and won't shut up about some unarmed people walking through open doors, hurting nobody and doing no damage, after the police stood aside and let them in. Almost as if the fake news media and Washington swamp are complicit in pushing bolshevism on America.
The insurrectionists are getting charged with what they are getting charged with. They are damed lucky that the feds don't give them the traitor's punishment.
Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that law enforcement officers cannot be "unindicted co-conspirators" in the insurrection. That's because, legally, "The elements of the crime of conspiracy include the specific intent to commit the target crime. The FBI informant or agent would not have that intent. " The last was a quote from a lawyer. He knows more than all of Fux "News" combined. And certainly more than you. https://www.politifact.com/article/2...fbi-orchestra/..
See how easy it is to blow arguments out of the water?
And, the exact same rationale applies to your Whitmer argument. But there's more: https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...ar/7954135002/..Do you even understand what entrapment means?
Your argument is that because the feds didn't actually intend to kidnap Whitmer, the fact that they organised, encouraged, led and paid for the alleged plan means that it had nothing to do with them. It is absolutely ridiculous.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/563902-men-accused-of-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-say-fbi-set-them-up-report
"There were at least 12 FBI informants involved in the investigation into the group for months while they were allegedly planning to kidnap the governor.
The FBI's involvement was much bigger than previously known, as the agency was involved when the plot began and had informants allegedly encouraging the group to further its plans, BuzzFeed News reported.
An Iraq War veteran informant rose to second in command of the group and paid for travel for members of the kidnapping plot to meet together. He also told members to work together and helped the person in charge advance the plan.
So far, one defendant has accused the agency of entrapment, claiming the informants encouraged the group and even led military-style trainings for the plot. "
The feds organised, ran, funded and planned the entire thing! They were just looking for a couple of goofy patsies to set up in order to pretend there was some "right-wing conspiracy". There was no conspiracy or plan. It wouldn't have happened without the feds pushing it.
The feds are working hand in hand with the fake news and the democrat / RINO Washington establishment. The plan was to make the fake charges stick, have the fake news go into meltdown, then have the dems and RINOs unleash the PATRIOT act / anti-terror apparatus on heritage American population.
Fortunately we still have some semblance of a justice system in which discovery forces the feds to reveal their dubious and illegal methods. No doubt Heels Up Harris and the rest of the anti-American bolsheviks will be trying to change this by packing the Supreme Court and gutting the Constitution.
That is why the "insurrectionists" (LOL) are not being charged with anything of the sort. They are not "damned lucky" about anything. The feds would love to persecute them.
But they cannot, because to do so they would need to release details of the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators who, as in the Whitmer case, were undercover feds who actually organised and ran the whole thing. So they are in jail for ridiculous misdemeanour trespass charges.
Meanwhile, actual terrorism has been occurring nightly in cities across America as violent organised communist gangs caused billions of dollars of damage, attacked federal buildings and law enforcement, took over large areas and rendered them lawless. And yet the feds don't lift a finger to do anything about it.
The FBI is no longer fit for purpose. It is politically compromised and must be replaced.
The former guy left our entire immigration process, illegal and legal, and border control system gutted.Statements like the above are so false they remind me of Orwell's "2 + 2 = 5". Party faithful become so brainwashed that they don't just say the lie, they end up believing it.
Trump had massively reduced the number of illegal entries by doing a deal with Mexico whereby the illegals were kept there. Mexico were playing ball.
We can see this by the relative figures: this time last year there were 40,000 illegal entries a month; now under Biden's handlers there are 220,000. Those are the cold, hard facts, and no amount of fake news spinning can change them.
For someone to claim that the immigration process now, with a quarter of a million illegals pouring in a month, is better than it was last year with 40,000 a month, is so far beyond the bounds of evidence, fact and reason as to become a kind of magical fairytale thinking.
No wonder it comes from the same people who tell us that a man can become a woman by putting on a wig and a dress.
Following on from Nancy Pelosi's infamous maskless trip to the salon after shutting them down for the ordinary plebs, she's at it again.
https://nypost.com/2021/08/22/video-shows-hoards-of-maskless-people-at-pelosi-fundraiser/
A huge number of wealthy, maskless people packed closely together at a democrat fundraiser.
Note that Pelosi is 81 and many of the guests are also old. According to their wisdom, they are the most vulnerable to covid and should be cowering at home triple-masked to save their lives. And yet there they all are, maskless and not social distancing.
Of course, the servants were forced to wear masks, but none of the democrat bigwigs. That is how they view regular American people. Servants to be masked, vaxxed and chipped like cattle, while they exist above the petty rules they enforce on the rest of us.
Statements like the above are so false they remind me of Orwell's "2 + 2 = 5". Party faithful become so brainwashed that they don't just say the lie, they end up believing it.
Trump had massively reduced the number of illegal entries by doing a deal with Mexico whereby the illegals were kept there. Mexico were playing ball.
We can see this by the relative figures: this time last year there were 40,000 illegal entries a month; now under Biden's handlers there are 220,000. Those are the cold, hard facts, and no amount of fake news spinning can change them.
For someone to claim that the immigration process now, with a quarter of a million illegals pouring in a month, is better than it was last year with 40,000 a month, is so far beyond the bounds of evidence, fact and reason as to become a kind of magical fairytale thinking.
No wonder it comes from the same people who tell us that a man can become a woman by putting on a wig and a dress.
Nope. 2 + 2 still = 4
Trumps Overhaul of Immigration Is Worse Than You Think.
This administration has attacked every aspect of the immigration system and it wont be easy to undo.
Oct. 10, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/10/opinion/sunday/trump-immigration-child-separations.html
Trump's policies have left U.S. immigration courts in shambles, says immigration reporter.
'It really is on the brink of collapse,' says the Marshall Project's Julia Preston
July 20, 2019
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/u-s-immigration-courts-the-lion-king-a-post-brexit-video-game-johnny-clegg-development-on-the-moon-more-1.5217090/trump-s-policies-have-left-u-s-immigration-courts-in-shambles-says-immigration-reporter-1.5217096
One Way Trump May Have Changed Immigration Forever.
For decades, U.S. presidents have managed a delicate consensus on taking in refugees. Trump blew it up.
3/2/2021
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/03/02/biden-immigration-trump-legacy-asylum-refugees-472008
DHS Secretary Says Trump To Blame For Bidens Border Crisis. Heres Why.
3/21/2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/03/21/dhs-secretary-says-trump-to-blame-for-bidens-border-crisis-heres-why/
Why Trumps Immigration Policies Will Be So Hard to Undo.
The presidents ethnonationalist agenda could take years to unwind, but the families targeted by it dont have that long
Oct. 10, 2020
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/immigration-policy-changes-under-trump-1073343/
Trump 'gutted' immigration system, says Homeland Security Secretary
Mar. 2, 2021
https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/trump-gutted-immigration-system-says-homeland-security-secretary-121030200128_1.html
A former Pence adviser said Trump had 4 years to help Afghan allies leave the country but Stephen Miller's 'racist hysteria' blocked it from happening
Aug. 21, 2021
https://www.businessinsider.com/stephen-miller-racist-hysteria-blocked-help-afghans-ex-pence-adviser-2021-8
Unaccompanied Minors Surge at Border Began in September, Well Before Biden Took Office
3/25/2021
https://www.newsweek.com/unaccompanied-minors-surge-began-after-judge-revoked-trumps-pandemic-travel-ban-november-1578847
It was inevitable that Trump's mismanagement and incompetence would trigger a record high number of illegal crossings starting during his so-called presidency. As you see in the link above, he started it by at least last September, months before Biden crushed him with a landslide victory in a free and fair election where the only evidence of widespread election fraud was among Republicans. As usual.
Trump broke records on illegal border crossings since the previous Republican was potus all through his presidency. Note the date below...
Border crossings by undocumented migrants in March hit 12-year high.
Officials said crossings by families hit record highs. More than 53,000 people traveling as part of families were apprehended, up from 36,000 in February.
April 9, 2019
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/border-crossings-undocumented-migrants-march-hit-12-year-high-n992611
IMHO, this is a much better economic legislation result than flushing Trillion$ down the shitter on another failed Supply-Side/Trickle-Down tax cut for top income margins and corporations that, predictably, produced zero noticeable increase in GDP Growth, created FEWER USA jobs in the years after it was passed than in the years before it was passed and sat there slack-jawed stupid useless to prevent or mitigate the inevitable Great Republican Crash, Recession and Massive Job Destruction in the Millions that followed.
Cue the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media to assert over and over again before the next elections that "Republicans are better at handling the economy than Democrats!" Lol.
Child tax credit lifted 3 million kids from poverty in July
Aug. 26, 2021
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/child-tax-credit-lifted-3-million-kids-from-poverty-in-july.html?__source=androidappshare
The first monthly payment of the child tax credit lifted households with 3 million kids out of poverty in July, according to a Columbia University analysis.
That represents a 25% cut in the child poverty rate, according to the paper.
The rate will likely fall further, but depend on the success of outreach efforts to lower-income parents who dont typically file a tax return.More to come..
Its amazing all these warmongers who talk incessantly about Iran and terrorists etc ignore the fact that it was Saudis that financed and orchestrated and mostly participated in 911, it is Saudis that predominately fund ISIS and Al Queda, it is Saudis who funded Saddam until he lost the war, it is Saudis who fund the extremist IMAMs who preach and recruit terrorists. Yet the US sanctions, invades, and harasses every Muslim nation except Saudi and her allies.That's because there is a deep spiritual connection.
Plus, they have $110 billion to buy our weapons, but that's probably nothing, I'm sure.
Nope. 2 + 2 still = 4
Trumps Overhaul of Immigration Is Worse Than You Think.
This administration has attacked every aspect of the immigration system and it wont be easy to undo.
You think that's a bad thing? LOL. We don't want an immigration system, because we don't want immigration. Trump was building a wall to keep illegals physically out, and for the ones that managed to get through he made a deal to send them back to Mexico. He also slashed legal immigration, blocking immigrants who would be a public charge, which most of them are.
America's greatest years were in the middle of the 20th Century. We had massive growth, innovation, projected hard and soft power, became the world's biggest superpower, and Americans were unified, optimistic and confident that their kids would live better lives than they had. These were also the years in which we had no immigration. That is not a coincidence.
What? You've really gone off your rocker now. No LEO was killed or significantly injured. If someone killed himself a few days afterward, perhaps it was because he couldn't live with being part of the fake news Washington swamp fraudulent narrative against the American people.
As for your $30 m "damage costs" for a couple of broken windows and someone trailing paint across the floor? Haha! That's right, he actually mentioned someone trailing paint across the floor. LOL.
If you're wondering what a real attack on the Capitol looks like, it is in fact the 50th anniversary of the Weather Underground's bombing of the building. Yes, a violent communist terrorist group actually set off a bomb in the Capitol.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/28/when-the-left-attacked-the-capitol-471270
Oh, and then 12 years later, another violent communist terrorist group did the same thing:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1980s-far-left-female-led-domestic-terrorism-group-bombed-us-capitol-180973904/
Isn't it incredible that far-left terrorists literally exploded bombs in the Capitol twice within the last 50 years but these acts have been memoryholed and are never mentioned by the media?Can anyone please explain Parteigenosse ChrisP what logical fallacy is?
First of all, the Jan 6 ultra-right rioters injured 150 police officers, at least 17 of them seriously.
Contrary to those "tourists", the leftist terrorists in the 70's not only blew their bombs at night, but also called to evacuate the building to make sure no one gets hurt.
Even if "No LEO was killed or significantly injured" (a damn lie), then what's your problem with 2 left terrorist pussies who didn't kill or injured anyone at all?
Take Timothy McWeigh.
That nutso killed almost 200 people including kids. That's a real ultra-right terrorist for you. One hell of a body count.
So maybe you're right. Maybe we should be grateful to Capitol "tourists" that they didn't kill more people.
75% of domestic terrorism comes from the ultra-right.
Can anyone please explain Parteigenosse ChrisP what logical fallacy is?
First of all, the Jan 6 ultra-right rioters injured 150 police officers, at least 17 of them seriously.
Contrary to those "tourists", the leftist terrorists in the 70's not only blew their bombs at night, but also called to evacuate the building to make sure no one gets hurt.
Even if "No LEO was killed or significantly injured" (a damn lie), then what's your problem with 2 left terrorist pussies who didn't kill or injured anyone at all?
Take Timothy McWeigh.
That nutso killed almost 200 people including kids. That's a real ultra-right terrorist for you. One hell of a body count.
So maybe you're right. Maybe we should be grateful to Capitol "tourists" that they didn't kill more people.
75% of domestic terrorism comes from the ultra-right.Yes, all of us can and have explained these things. The problem is Wingers LOVE not to know anything true. So even if it does sink in they will pretend it didn't. LOL.
You think that's a bad thing? LOL. We don't want an immigration system, because we don't want immigration. Trump was building a wall to keep illegals physically out, and for the ones that managed to get through he made a deal to send them back to Mexico. He also slashed legal immigration, blocking immigrants who would be a public charge, which most of them are.
America's greatest years were in the middle of the 20th Century. We had massive growth, innovation, projected hard and soft power, became the world's biggest superpower, and Americans were unified, optimistic and confident that their kids would live better lives than they had. These were also the years in which we had no immigration. That is not a coincidence.As long as you, Trump and Miller lump legal Immigration in with illegal immigration as a plague on the country of immigrants, USA, I will agree with you that America would be much, much better off today if we had at least been more selective about preventing certain immigrations.
Among them, the parentage of...
Immigrant bashers among the 6 sons of immigrants running for president
July 25,2015.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-06-25/immigrant-roots-link-six-2016-candidates
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rick Santorum
Donald Trump
Yep, most of those were mid-20th Century immigrations, including Trump's mother, the era you said we had "no mmigration."
Can anyone please explain Parteigenosse ChrisP what logical fallacy is?
First of all, the Jan 6 ultra-right rioters injured 150 police officers, at least 17 of them seriously.
Contrary to those "tourists", the leftist terrorists in the 70's not only blew their bombs at night, but also called to evacuate the building to make sure no one gets hurt.
Even if "No LEO was killed or significantly injured" (a damn lie), then what's your problem with 2 left terrorist pussies who didn't kill or injured anyone at all?
75% of domestic terrorism comes from the ultra-right.Ah, they phoned up a few minutes before they blew up the Capitol, so that makes it okay. Gotcha. A "mostly peaceful bombing", as CNN would say.
No LEO was killed or significantly injured during Jan 6. Not a single protester was found in possession of a firearm. Virtually zero damage was done to the building (some other leftist wacko on here was actually reduced to complaining that someone spilled some paint on the floor. LOL).
As for your fake stat on right-wing domestic terrorism, that is false on its face from the events of the previous year and a half. There have been thousands of acts of violent terrorism carried out by antifa / BLM communists, which have caused several billion dollars in damage.
But of course the politically biased Washington establishment supports that kind of violence, so they don't count it as terrorism despite the fact it involves attacks on and attempts to burn down federal buildings and police precincts (with occupants still inside) and destruction of entire city blocks; as well as the creation of lawless zones in cities.
Instead of doing anything about that, the Washington establishment sends its feds to find a couple of doofuses, and entraps them into saying they are going to do something they would never have done on their own without the encouragement, funding, organization, and whipping up of the feds.
This is exactly what happened in the fake Whitmer kidnap case, where discovery has revealed that *the majority* of the so-called plotters were working with or for the feds, including leaders who planned and paid for everything. And again in the Jan 6 hoax, where the feds have dropped all but the most basic BS trespass charges because anything more serious would have forced them to unmask the dozens of unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators who were working for them.
P.S. Fun fact point about the 1971 bombing: it was carried out by the Weather Underground far-left terror group. This was run by Bill Ayers, who would go on to become the mentor and inspiration to another America-hating communist: Barack Hussein Obama.
Following on from Nancy Pelosi's infamous maskless trip to the salon after shutting them down for the ordinary plebs, she's at it again.
https://nypost.com/2021/08/22/video-shows-hoards-of-maskless-people-at-pelosi-fundraiser/
A huge number of wealthy, maskless people packed closely together at a democrat fundraiser.
Note that Pelosi is 81 and many of the guests are also old. According to their wisdom, they are the most vulnerable to covid and should be cowering at home triple-masked to save their lives. And yet there they all are, maskless and not social distancing.
Of course, the servants were forced to wear masks, but none of the democrat bigwigs. That is how they view regular American people. Servants to be masked, vaxxed and chipped like cattle, while they exist above the petty rules they enforce on the rest of us.The QOP is now accusing Pelosi and elderly Democrats of following CDC mask guidelines.
What, I ask, could be more ludicrous? The video is question shows maskless people eating outside. These actions are well within current CDC guidelines. Add to it the high likelihood that all of the participants were fully vaccinated and you have "much ado about nothing". https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html.
Ah, they phoned up a few minutes before they blew up the Capitol, so that makes it okay. Gotcha. A "mostly peaceful bombing", as CNN would say.Who's saying about anything making it OK? Not me, not everyone here.
But if the glove fits.
Those left-wing terrorists blowing a Capitol building at night after calling beforehand to evacuate whoever might've been still there didn't hurt or kill any soul.
Unlike January 6 "tourists" who injured 150 people and caused several suicides.
You can of course parrot your party line until you're blue in the face (already are, probably), but you don't get to choose the facts. In a wonderful world of domestic terrorism, ultra-right extremists are infinitely more dangerous. They are the ones who go straight for the body count rather than political statement.
Does it make OK whatever left extremists are doing (what are they doing, BTW)? Don't be an idiot.
But the FBI and DHS specifically highlighted that the real danger is coming from the ultra-right.
Just the facts.
In its Homeland Threat Assessment released in October 2020, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that racially and ethnically motivated violent extremistsspecifically white supremacist extremists (WSEs)will remain the most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-states
You think that's a bad thing? LOL. We don't want an immigration system, because we don't want immigration. Trump was building a wall to keep illegals physically out, and for the ones that managed to get through he made a deal to send them back to Mexico. He also slashed legal immigration, blocking immigrants who would be a public charge, which most of them are.
America's greatest years were in the middle of the 20th Century. We had massive growth, innovation, projected hard and soft power, became the world's biggest superpower, and Americans were unified, optimistic and confident that their kids would live better lives than they had. These were also the years in which we had no immigration. That is not a coincidence.Unless you are a Native American, then you are an immigrant. You don't want any more of you here because you've got yours.
As to your ludicrous assertion that the US had no immigration during the middle of the 20th century, google how many Hungarians came to the US between 1956 and 1960. Google how many Cubans entered the US between 1959 and 1965.
Who's saying about anything making it OK? Not me, not everyone here.
But if the glove fits.
Those left-wing terrorists blowing a Capitol building at night after calling beforehand to evacuate whoever might've been still there didn't hurt or kill any soul.
Unlike January 6 "tourists" who injured 150 people and caused several suicides.
You can of course parrot your party line until you're blue in the face (already are, probably), but you don't get to choose the facts. In a wonderful world of domestic terrorism, ultra-right extremists are infinitely more dangerous. They are the ones who go straight for the body count rather than political statement.
Does it make OK whatever left extremists are doing (what are they doing, BTW)? Don't be an idiot.
But the FBI and DHS specifically highlighted that the real danger is coming from the ultra-right.
Just the facts.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/war-comes-home-evolution-domestic-terrorism-united-statesThat's the thing with supporters of the former guy. If they don't like the "real" facts, they make stuff up and call them "alternative facts". Then, they say that all news sources are "fake" unless they are approved by the former guy.
And the real killer is that supporters of the former guy have absolutely no idea that this tactic was used 80+ years ago. https://www.heraldstaronline.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2020/01/similarities-between-hitler-and-trump/.
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